Big respect to Emp for not being an egotistical maniac and admitting his mistakes in the past. You need lots of balls to actually do that. And after all, BTM is just a naïve manchild with genuine intentions. Like Pyro said, I'm sure he's a nice guy even though he probably unironically wears Watchmojo shirts in real life. He makes bad content but I don't think he deserved a lot of hate because of it.
I just watched his Draw my life videos and he said because there were no videos explaining what is Dicks out for harambe he made one and after "7 years of doing videos on and off through several accounts"(quote) his channel got traction.
"I did the video and already had 10 subscribers and the video had 1000 views. And then I had 100 subscribers and my first video had 10,000 views. And then 500 subscribers and 50,000 views."
"The comment section was full of people thanking me and asking for more videos"
"Before I knew it i had 100,000 subscribers. And then 200,000 subscribers and then 300,000, 500,000, 700,000 subscribers."
And then he goes on to thank his subscribers,etc,etc,etc...
To me,this speaks volumes about who he is, why he keeps making videos ignoring everyone else, and confirms:
He is just a naive dude doing what he thinks is best and is best left alone.
@Lone Stars although BTM probably has no room for improvement due to a lack of interest on the channel's behalf (remember that good intentions does not excuse lazy videos for a rather popular channel like his), I really believe he must have learnt something from this mess.
Hi It's Me Chirred a sad man, clinging to pretentious speeches in the corner of a circus, receiving no attention, for he was no more than a clown; entertaining an empty crowd.
1. Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to doxx this guy? Let alone over producing videos that misdescribed memes. Whoever did that should be ashamed of themself.
2. Did anyone consider reaching out to the guy who ran BTM, and asking him what his creative process was?
Someone could have perhaps pointed him to better sources or shown him slicker editing techniques.
Coming from the perspective of someone who hadn’t heard of the channel until the YouTube Downward Spiral video, the channel’s content wasn’t very good or anything like that (decent thumbnails but that’s about it), but I don’t see anything morally wrong about the videos.
As for Emplemon, his video on Behind the Meme was pretty good in my opinion, but I wouldn’t call it his best work.
The one thing he could have done differently was preface the criticism by saying that he wasn’t personally mad at the guy (it appears that he never truly was, and he even said so near the end of that video). In his YouTube downward spiral video, Emplemon mentioned that the average time spent viewing that 33 minute video was about eight minutes, so unless they skipped around, the average viewer wouldn’t have heard that sentiment.
@Commander Bravo2 nice job replying to a 3 year old comment.
and besides nowhere in my comment did I fanboy. all I said is I have respect for Emp for admitting that he did BehindTheMeme wrong and acknowledged that mistake because he also agrees that BTM isn't a bad person.
@Toyota Corolla he admits to his mistakes but that doesnt change everything thats happened, btm still got tons of abuse for no reason, the only thing emp couldve done to rectify what he did was delete his rant video, yet thats still up, so this whole apology video is just some face saving bullshit. and what if your comment is 3 years old? have your opinions changed since then?
@Alexander Chon Emplemon was only critiquing his content . Even in the first video on BTM he said that he doesn't hate him, only the videos he makes. It was the loud minority of toxic people that agreed with Emp that went on the anti-BTM crusade.
@SQuinGedSUB The videos may not have been good (though I wouldn't say there is anything morally wrong about misdescribing memes), and while the guy did not handle the criticism he received maturely, I can't help but ask: Why did anyone think it was a good idea to doxx the guy behind Behind the Meme?
Those two things may not have been good responses, but I wouldn't call that reaction justified.
As for Emperor Lemon, he really didn't do anything wrong here. All he did was (as you said) knock the videos, and his reactions to the criticism. Looking at his video, I have no idea how someone would watch that and conclude that the person behind the channel should be doxxed.
If anyone did something morally wrong here, it's the doxxers (ok that's not a word, but you get my point). What say you?
@Fries I agree with you that the doxxers should be scrutinized and not Emp. That was mainly the point I was making, but it seems like the guy I said it too still hasn’t responded. Heck I didn’t even notice how long it’s been until you replied to me.
If you watch the video EmpLemon did on Behind the Meme, he does allude to the fact that he is not actually mad at the guy, and that he doesn’t think anything was morally wrong about what he did.
However, that doesn’t occur until very late in the video (probably the last minute before credits).
In his video on YouTube’s downward spiral, Lemon cut to a screen that showed that the average watch time on that video was 8:26, so unless someone skipped around, they wouldn’t have heard that part of his commentary. This obviously wouldn’t explain how people arrived at doxxing, but if that part of the video isn’t something that someone heard, I do see how they would conclude that Lemon thought the guy was a terrible person.
@Fries yeah I saw that as well, which is why I was confused as to why people were attacking him since he mentions that he doesn’t hate BTM as a person. But I guess some people might’ve not watched tht part or the other video (since his yt downward spiral video doesn’t have BTM in the title so people wouldn’t know to look there). Your comment about Emp’s Youtube Copyright Meta is VERY long, but I will still still try to respond to it seeing as I watched all three parts and do have thoughs about it.
@SQuinGedSUB My apologies for coming back to this conversation so much, but I do have one last question regarding this whole situation:
Did anyone consider reaching out to the guy running Behind the Meme, and help him with video production, or point him to better sources?
People complained that the videos were generically delivered, and the descriptions were read off of Know Your Meme, or at the very least paraphrasing what that site reads, and that makes sense.
But I wonder if anyone critical of the guy considered helping him become a creator that they would want to follow.
That could have prevented the rest of the situation if well executed.
@Fries true, though I don’t know if he would respond now, but I do believe that he’d likely take the advice if he really is who Emp said he is in this video. Just a regular dude who made mediocre content (as not like a watchmojo type)
@SQuinGedSUB Nowadays he probably wouldn’t be up to the task of only because we are so far away from the situation, but when the channel was active, something like that may have been a good idea. Too bad it never occurred to anyone.
As far as content farms go (or rather, channels that repeatedly upload to gain as much watch time as possible), none are very good in terms of content, and they would all probably ignore all criticism.
WatchMojo is a pretty bad channel (though I would actually call them one of the better content farms because at least their videos talk about a variety of topics).
The worst channel like that in my opinion (and in my opinion, the worst extremely large channel on the site) would have to be 5 Minute Crafts, who uploads an average of three times a day, who has somehow managed to get 73 million subscribers, and who uploads “life hack” suggestions that have often been ripped from other sources, and that aren’t useful according to most people.
In any event, thank you for replying to me, and have a great day!
Agreed. At first I tried to make certain forums really polite and not as wild westy, but I've learned to go with the flow. Now I argue with people for fun on YouTube, and if I'm feeling like I really need to shit on stupid people, Instagram.
What? But I've been on the internet for so many years, literally lived there to escape depression and a toxic family and I'm still trying to be polite to others, unless they really piss me off or when I'm making jokes that involve insults. Maybe because it was just A) beaten into me to be polite or B) I'm not as pessimistic and cynical as I thought I am.
@Mr. Spectacals normies are just more functional members of society they aren't making jokes that are stupid and idiotic and are only funny because "did mak no sense", they have lives unlike us sitting on the internet and I feel sad about that.
@Aereto Criticising people is just what people do on YouTube. People need content to make if they're going to stay relevant on the site. So if they ever find anything they think is questionable, they absolutely need to make a video about it. Could EmpLemon have handled it better? Definitely. But I don't think it's 100% fair to blame him on this drama.
@Dubuya Jay I know, that's what I was saying Although I do feel like EmpLemon could be a bit more cautious about saying "but don't go attacking this guy or anything"
@Dubuya Jay Also, to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the minds of fanbases, but pretty much all fanbases love attacking YouTube channels, I wouldn't say it's particularly EmpLemon's in comparison
@Dubuya Jay Bruh, that burn was... illegally hot. Nice, totally agree, his fanbase makes his content cancer to me even though they're just agreeing with him...wait how are his fans worse than him? Edit: oh right he got harassed and doxed by them. Yeah, that's bad.
Doxxers seem to always inadvertently help the reputation of their targets by making the targets look better by contrast. Once the doxxers show up, the question stops being whether or not the target is in the wrong, and becomes whether they deserved to be doxxed (to which the answer is always no).
The thing is legally they've lost, they have no argument against it, once you dox someone and give them death threats you pretty much loose your defence. And there's enough comments that he'd have a decent case.
@Zalternative X Setting aside the fact that those replies are over 2 years old and I have matured a sizable amount since, he has been completely inactive on all social media platforms and it's very possible he killed himself.
But it's worth it because he ruined memes.
He committed suicide.
But go on, enlighten me with your edgy hipsterness.
@Wilo Polis Excuse me but what??? I may have read your comment extremely wrong and if so correct me, but just because he had no understanding of memes and tried to teach without even knowing memes, inadvertently causing peeps to hate on him is no reason to be happy about his potential suicide. How is that maturing?
To say you don't care what his opinion is, kind of implies that you didn't watch. I don't know, it's just a hostile thing to say, in a video that is in defense of the BTM.
Some guy starts making videos with the best intentions only to then get misunderstood by another Youtuber with a better understanding of the subject matter that the random guy covers, and because of that he calls him out effectively sending a hate mob against him that ends up doxing him after this he retires from the web for a while. After he returns he decides to help awareness of an actual problem but does this so badly that everyone interprets it as him whoring but its that single moment of incompetence that makes the Other Youtuber realize the guy's genuine incompetence and after getting this realization he decides to tell the hate mob to stop. Its almost poetic
A tragic comedy, and Emp turned out to be the true buttmonkey in the end. Like SJWs, what has been done cannot be undone. Emp could not redeem himself anymore.
In his video on YouTube’s Downward Spiral, Emplemon displayed an image of the screen from his Behind the Meme video.
It showed that the average watch time was 8:26. That may seem reasonably long, but consider that the video was just over 32 minutes, and that very late in the video (at about 29:40), he explicitly stated that he doesn’t hate Behind the Meme, or even think that his intent was malicious.
He was simply critical of the execution of his videos, and about the misconceptions that were spread through those videos.
Keep in mind that that is just short of 30 minutes into the video, and the average viewer watched 8:26.
So unless someone skipped around, or watched nearly the whole video, they wouldn’t have heard that comment.
As such, I do see how someone could watch a portion of the video before that and conclude that Lemon thought Behind the Meme was a terrible person, but either way, I have no idea how someone would watch that video and conclude that Behind the Meme should be doxed.
The one thing Emplemon could have done was preface his criticism with that comment initially instead of leaving it to the end so more people would hear it, but he didn’t do anything wrong I would argue.
While I do think it was a bad thing to post those videos, It isn’t just to spread awareness. In his own words he actually had these feelings himself. This video still feels insulting because it’s just “oh he’s stupid” without actually thinking about his feelings
While we may never get a new ytp from emplemon, (collab entry or not) it’s nice to know that he’s changing and maturing with his own channel, and that he’s now making his own videos whenever, and on whatever topic he decides to talk about. From Homer Simpson Vs. Frank Grimes, to NASCAR’s most feared race track, both his early days and his ytps will live forever in our hearts as one of the greatest ytpers of the generation.
I think the dichotomy of spongebob and squidwards relationship emp lemon talked about in the spongebob video is very similar to the relationship between him, and BTM. Emp lemon being the squidward of this situation, and BTM being spongebob. Both of them stuck in a similar shit position due to you tubes algorithm. It's just BTM had a more positive outlook on the situation and wanted to spread a genuine message. Emp thought he had some sorta agenda but just like the pizza delivery moment once a force more sinicle then him broke BTM's enthusiasm, and desires of spreading a positive message... Emp stood up for him. Just like how squidward stood up for spongebob. Just something interesting that popped in my head.
Man, I really despise the misunderstanding of depression, abuse of self-diagnosis, and how easily it's thrown around.
It's hard to be critical when talking about these subjects, you don't want to feel like an asshole but for me, it's maintaining it's importance without diluting the message. Self-diagnosis makes all of this tricky, you can't really deny it and the potential of a serious issue combined with possible misunderstanding without a professional opinion can lead to situations like this one.
I seriously doubt the internet will ever find a solution because of how delicate the topic of mental illness is. I really want to make a "This is so sad" joke, but I think BehindTheMeme can come out stronger or at least wiser from the controversy. I'm hoping people can learn from their mistake.
Eh... sorry but innocence and good intentions through harmful ignorance, also harmful stupidity and bad circumstances... is not really a thing (to me). As one suffering depression and formally contemplating suicide myself; His take and play up on suicide like countless other online attempts, is horrifically disrespectful and even dangerous to the actually suicidal; REGARDLESS of intent or self-awareness, same goes for everything he has been doing up till now. HOWEVER like you've said, I've long forgotten and stopped caring about Behind the Meme. Won't ever really forgive, but have already forgotten, and lost care to do or say anything to him in anyway. I'll still be all the more glad if the does turn around from this... but only EXACTLY because he DOES deserve some level of blame.
For example i used to be depressed somewhere through school but it didn't take a toll on me (at least not self harm) because it was a state of mind that passed through my life but people out there have the horrible mental condition that must be treated delicatly or else it can get worse and people who suffer with that problem still have a mark of that demon they faced because it doesn't just go.
Self-diagnosis is seen as inaccurate, but professional diagnosis can be biased toward overdiagnosis, in order to push antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, etc. Pharmaceutical reps wine and dine doctors and invite them to weeks long "seminars" at tropical destinations. To remain impartial while enjoying these benefits is impossible. Read James Davies' Cracked if you want to lose all faith in the modern medicine system.
Jonathan Olson2018-10-02 06:15:56 (edited 2018-10-02 06:16:15 )
Mental illness in the physical, neurochemistry sense is almost non-existent. Humans who are biologically depressed because of neurochemistry would be almost wholly selected out of the population. The rise in depression we are seeing is not a disease affecting the neurochemistry of our brains, but a natural response to the artificial, asocial society/environment that is developing around us. That is why depression is always diagnosed as innate or genetic predisposition to being depressed; we haven't examined the environment that we are creating, we've simply accepted it as necessary and part of modern life, despite it being so radically different from the characteristic human experience that we are intimately adapted to.
Ben Dover - I'm sorry, but besides that anecdotal and subjective experience, do you suggest that depression is all or nothing? Unfortunately, depression is a term describing a multitude of different and even mutually exclusive symptoms. Whether it's because of different people reacting in their own way, or because of actually different mental states, that in no way entitles you more to that term than anyone else.
@Doofus You never understand depression until you encounter it yourself. It develops in subtle ways; the more drastic actions are actually the late-stage depression. It nips at you from the inside, taking joy out of what keeps you content and happy. You feel tired even at full night's slumber. Many, subtle things.
@Aereto Aereto binch, I've been diagnosed for a solid 8 years lmao. That being said, it probably was a improper diagnosis . After reading eading more on my possible condition and what Wolfin suggested.
A psychologist friend suggests I'm probably bipolar, which feels a lot more accurate. Still though, sorry about this tangent. This was sorta my way to wrap up this thread, I feel you on that though. :v
Emp realised that on the internet, there are some people with no bad intentions and most people forgot about that That's why Emp is here, to remind that there are new people on the internet to guide and that, at some point, we were new when we were introduced to it Nice job, bud
BehindTheMeme is like that clueless kid on your group project but he still trying to make everyone happy by trying to help, buy snacks, etc. But in the end his attempt is not making everyone happy and he get hated for that
@The Game of the Play Gaming "hey bro, u seem down, need emotional support?" "Nah bro, I'm good, I just need some time for myself" "Seriously bro, I can help" "No, really, just get me some space please" "There, there, there's nothing to be worried about"
Can you imagine? Suddenly they open a channel together were Lemon explain memes to BTM and BTM is all like "Woooooooow... Memes are so deep". I'd pay for that shit.
What gives EmpLemon the right to use "normie" but one person in this comment section says it and everyone calls it "outdated," it really makes me question the Emperor's fans.
@Literally Gaston well, its just the 2 different demographics, the mainstream (normies) and the outsiders. Im more of an outsider, since i think that mainstream shit like Stranger Things or The Walking Dead are kinda shit, so I watch youtube.
Itz Trikki Ah yes, because youtube is totally niche. Dude, I’m what you would call an “outsider” myself I just don’t think that it makes me better which is something very common in this community. It came to this point that I actually prefer “normies” because at least they’re having fun and not taking funny pictures from the internet so seriously.
@Literally Gaston well, i consider myself an outsider and i dont take memes seriously, i never did, i just try to get a good laugh out of them and i respect the people who made them.
holy fuck I thought about the exact same thing, I need to see this shit happen, a proper emperor lemon btm meme channel, he should just start from the beginning without any of the normies (word hurts to say but what else do i call them) on his ass
@Trikki Clips Exactly. It's just a term and when you call an ACTUAL normie only to call that person out from their mistakes, you should try to educate and inform on what they're doing wrong, [persay with the legitimate evidence of that they're actual a normie] instead of using the term to ridicule ANYONE or deliver the message to other people "that you have dominance or superiority over someone" because of a [your] complex/ego.
Never disliked him, just his content. People already know suicide is such a serious topic, seeing him pull it off like some skit or prank video just felt so...unethical to say the least. His intentions were meaningful but his actions and results caused more distress than actual awareness. I get he isn't a bad guy, but I just can't really forgive someone that would have thought using the topic of suicide like this would ever spread awareness of suicide.
There are better ways he could have executed the message.
7T Productions - Wouldn't you say that the harassment he got was also unethical? Intentionally or not, stirring up the waters in the "meme community" was a way for fighting back. I'm personally glad that those people had their voices drowned in this noise.
@Geo The P unethical? Yes of course, no one should voice their opinions in such strong emotions. Being most of the ones who harass are anonymous however, this kind of problem is very difficult to resolve.
Two wrongs don't make a right though, even though people counteract that metaphor with "negative times negative is positive" it's important that we are constantly adding our actions, never multiplying. Metaphors aside, everyone takes responsibility for what has happened. BTM for his actions, and even me for simply not knowing this until emplemon released this video. We all share this problem
7T Productions - Do people actually use "negative times negative is positive" as a metaphor? Lol, that sounds so goofy. I don't claim that what BHM did was ethical, but I don't think that's even the point. Aren't unethical actions warranted under specific circumstances? I think that is what you should be debating. They only two ways to explain his actions, I think, are either him purely trying to express himself or to purposefully defend against his harassment. Neither of these sound any unwarranted in my opinion. Unethical, maybe? But what is the point of ethics other than vague guidelines if you don't even take the context in account. Just like I find your claim about ignorance and responsibility unhelpful, there is always something you don't or cannot know, you just end up creating unecessary stress. Sorry for analysing it too much.
@Geo The P totally fine, I completely understand what you mean, or hopefully I think I do. Obviously I'm not an expert on this stuff so it's wonderful to have debates like this. As for the metaphor, it gets thrown around a lot by some people in my area, I really dislike the use of it. But yeah trying to apply ethics to this wouldn't really do much other than pure commentary, but I do enjoy the topic of ethics within a situation and analysing what happened which is why I even brought it up and judging from the thumbs on this, people found this interesting. Case in short, I agree with you and in my personal thought, I'm really grateful to have someone to discuss this with.
So nobody is even slightly considering that he maybe did this because he encountered suicidal thoughts for the first time in his life and didnt know any other method to process that than a video?
@Felsbrocken I get where you're going, but actions can't be solely justified by motives. If he felt suicidal, he could have went for help, he shouldn't have even made videos if he felt as such. But this wasn't about him being suicidal, this was suppose to be him spreading suicide awareness. What the videos showed was him behaving suicidal, a situation very serious when it turns out it was clearly an act as he said it was only to spread awareness of such. The key word is that he acted suicidal, he tricked us to believing he was suicidal. If he was suicidal, I only ask him to seek professional help, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that everyone was put on edge for his performance just for him to say "I didn't kill myself, this was to spread awareness!"
7T Productions oh Im not defending him. Whatever his intentions were; the video he pulled off of these intentions didnt work out and made no point.
BUT it makes me suspicious and it rings some alarms.. He seems like the type of guy to be oblivious enough to not realize where hes going with these thoughts...and all the negative reactions he gets from the internet as well....downward spirals and their undertow develop fast..
He was quite successful in raising awareness. Everyone at the time agreed that EmpLemon was the cause of his suicide. People wanted to stop what gave people suicidal thoughts
Here are some proof that it's all fake. First, how does a gun looks like that. It's plastic! It's not even that big. People thought this is fake but imagine a guy in Birdman movie shooting himself in front of a Broadway play. I know the movie is fiction but just imagine that in real life...
Second, if you look closely of what he saying, he needs help. He's not committing to take his own life, he's just trying to express his emotion via recording on video. If that happened, how does he pre-recorded the videos for just 2-4 days and how can he edit the video about that suicide hotline ending with him being dead? (Or so)
Third, I know his channel is mediocre, but it does'nt mean you hate a person. For me, in my opinion, I kinda like his content a little. I never like his content obsessively nor hated, it's just decent for me. His research tried hard to be original but he needs more materials to prove his channel for the best. What happened when the content changed? Well, it's over. All over!
I didn't even dislike his type of content. It made people that were new to the Internet understand memes. It was mediocre, sure but at least it wasn't horrible
Oh, jesus, this whole fucking thing is like a creepy pasta... A regular dude with good intentions gets doxxed and hated like a rapist or criminal for years for what ? For not being good enough at memes ? For helping normies? Damn, Fuck the internet
I generally find it comforting to believe that sometimes people are just... Stupid. Sometimes people aren't secretly scheming and evil, but just kinda foolish and unaware. Kanye, for example. Kanye is strange and opaque and downright horrid-sounding at times, but I find it hard to believe that he's some evil dude that changes his name to YE and talks in third person just as an act. I think he's really just terminally strange.
I've had to study and research a bit of Kanye in order to write character for an abridged series of mine. In Amagi Brilliant Park the main character is named Kanie Seiya and Kanie is how the Japanese say Kanye and Seiya has a kanji letter that means "West". Kanie Seiya and Kanye West act similar but I wanted to fully play with the idea that he IS Kanye West, in my parody.
So anyhow back to Kanye. Before researching Kanye, I hated him, the way media portrays him, what I've seen of him, what I've heard about him. All bad, sounds like a massive dick with his head way too far up his head. But as I started researching him, I found him to be genuinely a nice guy. He's a little eccentric and can say some ludicrous things at times but I believe his intentions are honest and he is ultimately altruistic. He really just speaks his minds at times and he should work on controlling it at times but these days he's been handling it better.
About him being highly narcissistic and egotistical at times, I reckon it's more half an act and half real. He IS narcissistic and egotistical but he purposely EXAGGERATES it at times to be controversial. He says some crazy things but he genuinely believes in them and sometimes he just explains it in the worst way that makes him seen more than an asshole he actually is.
I don't find him stupid. Strange for sure, but not stupid. He at least questions the ordinary media stuff and tries to come up with his own answers. It's kinda brave when you think about it
we're talking about someone who thought asking his mommy to diss one someone else for him was a good idea.
or get mad after 4chan and calling them elitists when they're the very source of most of the content of his videos.
Or, as The Bombers put it in another comment, BTM and Emp are like Spongebob and Squidward respectively at the end of Pizza Delivery, as Emp described in his own video about Spongebob, with the poor conditions of Youtube’s landscape and algorithms being the pizza customer.
I always thought that the idea of BehindTheMeme being some normie-pandering, low-effort shill was a bit excessive. He always seemed more like a guy who genuinely didn't know what he was dabbling in more than being some money-hungering punk.
Regardless, it's really mature of you to own up to such a mistake.
Emplemon was so wrapped up in the thought that YouTubers were emotionless money hungry fools he forgot that sometimes some people upload for the sake of informing and fun. He found his way out of a downward spiral of thought.
@PooDoo DrillDick No, it was what's happened after being buried in constant hate from a toxic fandom and subculture. I'm not saying it's ok. What he did was awful. I'm just not surprised. You'd be a lot less cheerful and friendly too after having your proverbial tree shaken constantly for so long.
👏 That's how I always saw BTM, as a kind of iffy YouTuber with good heart and a stolen Game Theory intro spiel, and it made me sad when people hated on him so systematically.
I was on my way to think this way, but I myself was too naive to think that. Coming back on it with a more matured and grown mind compared to before, BTM reminds me a lot of myself. A fucking idiot who was just doing what they loved. I really wish I can go back and be blissful while watching his videos, because at the same time I watched the BTM video by Emp last year, and bandwagon'd with him to hate BTM. I regret doing that. I just hope Behind the Meme doesn't have his life affected by this, and I hope he turns into an ERB type channel, doing what they do without anyone interfering. He deserves it.
The thing is, he was serious. He was depressed, and he was suicidal. But he spoke to professionals, and was able to fight it. He then made these videos to reenact what happened, ending with what could’ve happened, to raise awareness.
Lucas Urquiza Since uhh Luke won’t be answering the question allow me to do it. Cyber bullying can cause depression, Hell in all honesty during the drama I think behind the meme was depressed, but after he recovered he made those videos to show people that could’ve happened, Luke it was that fucking easy to answer my friend
@Jayden's Lap top I simply dont remember the video, please, tell me how I can answer something that I don't know how to answer. Its so so so so so simple.
@Jayden's Lap top I replied in a douchebag manner because it is obnoxious, whether you are kidding or not. I do not even remember replying to this main comment, and you guys are asking me to answer?
I never hated BehindTheMeme or his content (I'm not saying I like it either) in the first place, which is very satisfying that EmpLemon of all people are being nicer to him. Let's hope this can continue on.
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Mr. Spectacals2018-09-30 21:18:37 (edited 2018-09-30 21:18:56 )
It's like the whole "Mr Enter" video all over again. People began to apologize to Mr Enter as it came to light that he was harassed by a lot of people.
I was pretty upset seeing that Emp hated BTM back in the day. I genuinely enjoyed BTM's videos, and knew he was genuine and loved what he did. No malicious intent behind it. He thought the videos were helpful and good, and he thought he was actually raising awareness for suicide. The videos might not have been top-tier content, but they were good enough for what they did, and honestly, my content isn't exactly the greatest either, but I love making videos here and there.
Naive, incompetent, ignorant, whatever you wanna call it... he was just trying to make memes more accessible for people, like my family members who always saw me laughing at memes and were feeling left out and dumb for not being able to understand them like I did. He explained the memes far better than I could, and then we were all able to laugh at the memes.
The hate for BTM was unwarranted and egregious. Glad Emp was able to come to his senses, and I wish more people had done the same. Doxxing is not acceptable, and hardly anything warrants it, especially of this nature.
I think it was just a product of the time. Wrong place, wrong time. BTM was an unfortunate victim.
And following our will and wind We may just go where no one's been We'll ride the spiral to the end And may just go where no one's been Spiral out, keep going
What separates a EmpLemon from a Paul Logan is that they're willing to admit what they did wrong and accept humility. He could have easily left BTM to the wolves but instead stands up for him.
It's been ages since the BTM drama and I remembered it today. I remember your insensitive video where you called him a "normie" like a pathetic child and acted like he was some kind of war criminal. But now, you accept your mistakes and you also accept BTM for who he is, which I'm happy about :D. You've become more mature, just as I'm sure BTM has.
The YouTube community just...broke him. He was so normal and now he’s just completely lost it. Really shows the effect that extreme amounts of hate and doxxing for talking about the history of memes can do
This issue is really hurting my brain but here's the best input I can say:
Pros: Hes a good and genuine guy on the inside, who wants to make people happy without any issues at all. He made behind the meme to explain ("explain") memes to people who just wanted to know. And theres nothing wrong with that. While he was doing these videos, it seems he was able to get his truth out about how he felt about the deep issues people had with his channel, and I respect him for that.
Cons: the videos were fucked up, ok? Whenever I watched them, it genuinely concerned me to see this dude drinking alcohol and crying about how he has almost no life. Call me stupid, call me gullible, I dont care. Those videos genuinely had me confused and they were COMPLETELY unexpected from this dude. He knows that young children watch his videos, and he made a FAKE SUICIDE. It was really unnecessary, and in my opinion, he was doing this for gasp attention.
(summary) In my opinion, he could've tried to make a more mature video, or found a better way to reignite his channel. Over this issue, I feel no anger that he did all of this. But Im glad that hes ok and that this dude didnt actually do something like this. I hope after this incident he can make his channel better and I hope that his or any channel for that matter ever fakes a goddamn suicide again.
The level of readiness a person has to admit when they're wrong is one of, if not the most accurate metrics of assessing said person's intelligence.
Because being wrong or ignorant about / to something and conceding that the person showing them they're wrong that you are indeed wrong is literally HOW WE LEARN. I've an IQ of 187 (wechsler scale) which is EXTREMELY high but if I were the opposite type of person (there are a fuckload of these people) to double down and press their wrong opinion even harder when proven objectively wrong: I would be an absolute dumb-cunt...
I admire you, Emp. The world needs more people like you ❤
One time, I felt like becoming a Normie more than an Outsider because of how Outsiders are just toxic people who treat Normies bad just because they aren't up-to-date with memes. Normies, on the other hand, are just regular people who stumbled upon the other side of the internet and liked the memes.
+1000 respect. That BehindTheMeme video was the first thing I ever saw from this channel; I couldn’t even finish the whole thing because it just felt too nasty, spiteful and arrogant. I never even liked BehindTheMeme, but it reminded me of those awful videos from Leafy or GradeAUnderA where they just bashed some dude who didn’t know any better.
I recently rediscovered this channel because I saw “There will Never Ever be a another driver like Dale Earnhardt”, in my recommendeds, and despite not caring at all about NASCAR, I clicked on it on a whim. Without a doubt, one of the best YouTube videos I’ve ever seen. I’ve since watched a few more of EmpLemon’s videos, and they all have a similar level of detail and professionalism, although perhaps not always the same passion. Regardless, this is a good channel; but I still had reservations about EmpLemon, because I hadn’t forgiven him for that BehindTheMeme video.
Then I saw this. I clicked on it.
I no longer have any reservations about calling this channel one of my favorites.
Not "good guy," but I'm glad that Empy finally has come around to agreeing with the detractors of his first video (and with me, much of his channel) that it was getting so cynical that it was illogical and not everyone who makes mistakes is a coniving money grubber.
@Kaveh Shily He's not really a fool, he's pretty much of a victim who got surrounded by people who attacked him for doing something that is not wrong. He never did anything wrong aside from the crimes he already committed (aka faking his own death for the sake of attention like what the video discussed) so it was people who already did this themselves for successfully killed BTM, all because he's plagiarizing KnowYourMeme.com whereas memes already become a widespread phenomenon. The problem about the memes "dying" out is because it's repetitive and unfunny anymore so maybe a new meme can be created or discovered by either pop culture references or making any surreal context.
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Mr. Friendship2020-11-29 13:51:39 (edited 2020-11-29 13:53:19 )
@Strigorvious Dregorous Well, everyone is morally grey which there is neither good nor bad. BTM is maybe a naive, obnoxious manchild, but he never deserves to be doxxed by the haters who always cared for memes. Just because he did a terrible job of his content, it doesn't mean he's a criminal or something. Memes lost its popularity or potential over time, and got milked for long by memers. And BTM was often a scapegoat for "killing off memes" which it's not really his intentions, but his real intentions: Explaining about the origins of memes. Period. (At least Lesson of Meme Culture did it better anyways)
At the end, he kinda lost his mojos after the "incident" and quit YouTube which he haven't uploaded for a long time since those "skits" are tasteless and cringeworthy. Sure, it's his fault for making wrong decisions of ranting 4Chan and faking his own death but it's justified that the haters are coming for him.
Are you shiting me? Behind the Meme Rick-Rolled us? I thought he was legit depressed and I had heard that he had started putting cryptic messages and shit in his more recent videos. But he dooped us, and even if he had a good intention to raise awarness for suicide, he still made most of us think that he was actually in trouble, and I was actually ready to emotionally support him, despite the fact I hated him before. But now I'm even more confused on what I should do. Ima take your advice, Emp, and leave him alone. Outta sight, outta mind.
At face value they are kind of convincing (until the OTT ass suicide ending that just seemed tasteless), so I can't fault people for being concerned. I personally immediately knew they were fake, but that's just cause i've seen the exact same pattern happen so many times already with other channels that it seems to be turning into some sick clickbait trend.
In case you haven't heard of these, these are some notable recent examples of the same pattern: Mcjuggernuggets "killing" his dad in one video, then days later making an explanation that for the past few years his vlogs were completely scripted (which was actually justified since he is a well known sketch artist); KSI going completely radio silent on his channel for a few months, sometimes making vague statements on Twitter, before revealing it all to just be a promotion for his new single; singer Patrice Wilson making super cryptic, unsettling livestreams for a while before revealing they were "symbolic" of how bad he felt from all the hate, etc. etc. etc.
Honestly it's not getting any more convincing with someone like Behind the Meme doing it now. I bet Leafy will do the exact same thing soon.
Tbh, I never genuinely cared about what the guy was actually doing, that's why I didn't even know about these videos from him. I'm guessing he was preparing this for a while and thought he was doing something that would get people to appreciate his efforts and also support a cause but it came out bad. It's a very responsible act from you to make this video, not only to shield him from the outrage but to correct yourself. Although Whatever he decides to do with his channel at this point probably won't be taken seriously anyway.
There's always more than one possibility for anything. When the one of the stereotype doesn't behave like the rest, you gotta think a bit more about their character/personality and tendencies, not just the obvious [possible] goals they may have
In hindsight, I don't really feel as though Behind the Meme was just making his videos for money. I mean, most of his videos were under 10 minutes, so he couldn't have gotten much ad revenue from those videos in the first place. I legit feel as though he was just a normal guy that never even wanted to be this popular. Just imagine yourself running a small YouTube channel where you just make poorly edited videos, and suddenly one of your videos becomes really popular. How would you act? You have no prior experience with being put in the spotlight, so you will quickly be seen as somebody without any talent that has gotten known by sheer luck. This is the exact situation that Behind the Meme found himself in.
I don't actually feel as though EmpLemon has caused BTM to get all of this negative attention, though. If he didn't make his video addressing BTM, people would quickly realize how repetitive his videos were, and somebody else would have made a video similar to EmpLemon's.
In a way (at least in my opinion), it's similar to how EmpLemon became popular with The Uncredibles back in the days when he still made YTPs. He made them for fun - not for ad revenue, but then he suddenly became popular in his genre (essentially overnight) and people started hating on him because of it.
Honestly, I never really thought of him as a bad person. Sure, the suicide awareness tactics aren't much better than Logan Paul's stunt at the start of 2018, but I never felt like he deserved the mockery and derision he was getting and it would have been much better to maintain civility in cases like this. Largely the reason why when I made a now-unlisted (but mirrored if you're interested) commentary on TheMysteriousMrEnter, I made it a point not to antagonize him too harshly, as he is a rational-minded person regardless of what I think of him.
Yeah I really dont understand why people hated him so much in the first place. Yes his videos were poorly research and kinda ehh, but that's no reason just to go bash some guy say shitty stuff, there just damn memes of all things.
A nice person getting destroyed by people that see his actions as despicable, but then one of his actions cause their view of him to turn around and be renembered as a guy who tried his best to make others happy. Sounds like the perfect drama
What I can take away from this is: Separate his Videos from the guy himself. First Impressions definitely count, he didn't make that go well, but then there is redemption. Redemption is BTM's last hope to be better, and I will just leave him in peace.
You both are very similar. It is like naval sailors picking each other up after the ship is sunk. They, like you, have a common respect for these very similar people
warning long comment AND not positive towards EmpLemon. There’s a TLDR at the end
I love Behind The Meme I don’t care if he made mediocre videos about the “holy memes” and everyone had to defend them.
I enjoyed his content. The videos where he was pretending to slowly kill himself scared me, even though it was kinda obviously fake. But just because it was fake didn’t mean he didn’t feel that way sometimes.
Like, I’m a little weakling and get emotionally attached to things easily. Watching a video about someone bashing on this man doing what he loved made me sad and angry that he was getting hate. Then suddenly he just stopped uploading and I got sad I couldn’t watch his content anymore. I was there since the beginning and I watched him disappear.
Definitely made me have an angry, unwavering bias towards you, EmpLemon. I just hope people stop hating on him. Not a single person is perfect at all. Everyone has a flaw.
BehindTheMeme legit is like “Lol look at this picture. I wanna know more about it! Lemme tell everyone about the history of this picture”
Also, why is no one seeing that this man is gonna be a SAVIOR in the future when kids have to study and research memes for history class? Like he’s going to have a full video, full of not too distracting stuff telling them about the meme?
TLDR: Please don’t hate of BehindTheMeme. I kinda have a negative bias towards EmpLemon. BehindTheMeme is a cool guy who’s going to help kids with meme research in 100 years
Edit: his last video wasn’t the best but it kinda just goes to show he is sorta not knowing what he’s supposed to do to fit in
Ignorance, Fraud and Insecurity are terrible... BehindTheMeme is gruesome and EmpLemon is just orthodox, who now feels sympathetic. It is like a mediocre EU4 player essaying to explaining PhD economics, it is poor and fake.
FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZED BehindTheMeme always did the videos from heart, in fact his very first video was made because he wanted people to know the origins of Harambe after seeing others not catching up with the joke. He has been one of the most genuine YouTubers every and received stupid hate just for explaining jokes, or teaching where they came from. He always said that he had a great love for making videos so when the series came out it was obviously fake. After all, in every video in the series the description was always in third person.
It's very hard for genuine truths to come out nowadays, a long time ago we could had been much much more trusting, now it's just a coin toss to even trust ur family, what a cruel world
Had to like this because realizing a mistake you made is something I had to do recently, and it hits me because it takes a lot to do that, so much respect Emp. This is what I sub for
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Sora Udagawa2018-10-08 08:52:36 (edited 2018-10-08 09:04:48 )
It seems that you forgot the most important part: "why talk about depression?". It's pretty obvious that he actually was depressed, and thought about killing himself, that being the whole reason behind that series of videos. People cope with depression in very different way, some being almost unable to do anything because "why bother" and some others turn their depression onto creative drive. It may seem like a bad series because he is not really going to kill himself, looking like he's mocking us, but what he really is doing is say in a public manner that he really was having real suicidal thoughts, and this was his way of coping with the depression (which he actually told in the explanation video, that you don't really seem to have seen, nice). The videos are not even bad, and, are extremely genuine from a subject wise standpoint. He really nails the mentality tied with depression, showing his actual understanding of it.
So yes, his videos were bad, but this last series was genuinely well made, and showed the deep thoughts of BTM as a person, thing that he actually tells in his explanation of the whole series (have you even seen it before making this video?). As your first video bashing him, this one is mediocre at best. You have great content, but failing to understand the point of the whole video shows that you didn't even tried to understand what BTM was talking about. In general, you say that he supposedly kills himself and the suicide attempt sounds fake, no shit sherlock, and supposedly that makes the videos bad. You turn the whole narrative in your favor, from a guy's depression coping method to supposedly a guy that wanted attention by making videos of him faking his death because he just wanted attention. You first send an army of mindless followers that end up doxing him and shitting all over his content because "ugh normie, my memes, ugh look at me I'm not a normie but he is and normies are bad, look at me I know memes because I went to 4chan once in my life haha I'm such a troll", ending up with the guy in question entering a depression, to reappear time after by making light of that subject matter, just to get the same guy that caused it to turn the narrative in his favor and making look like the bad guy in this whole story.
Seriously EmpLemon, you have good content, even great content, so why do you not put as much effort in videos of this style as you do in your good content? You can do better than not understand the point of a series of videos, bash the person who created it (again) because you didn't understand the point of it, make the creator the "bad guy" while talking with an attitude of superiority (which was an attitude also present in the first BTM video).
Im right there with you. Sometimes have good intentions, however their actions seem to be taken, we can have some level of empathy. Yet people will take a closer look at him now to see if hes fake or not, so hes not completely dissolved for his clueless actions. I dont hate him but hes got a strike 1 for me. Great content and commentary Emperor.
To quote your LeafyIsHere video, "You build up an entire channel, an entire audience doing one thing, and then you just go ahead and do a completely different thing."
Every time I think of the current state of BTM, I always keep this in mind, because a major reason why his videos keep on getting hate these days is because the enough is enough video. Now, all of a sudden, BTM's videos about "depression" blew up, and considering the guy's history, many of his enemies won't take him kindly anymore.
Then, all of a sudden, you made a video defending him, mostly because of his incompetence. While most people, myself included would agree, I had the feeling that the ten-year olds wouldn't, and they would still keep on shitting on him and maybe ignore this video, hell, maybe even get pissed on you switching sides.
Let's not forget that you didn't hate BTM, he just needs to do a better job.
Genuinely so happy to see Emp feeling bad for behind the meme, I was never much of a fan but didn’t hate btm but I really wanted to see Emp be defending someone as well as calling them out
Wow. Wow. I want to be like both of you. I want to be genuine, honest and motivated by fun and passion in videos. I want to be able to correct myself, and be humble. I want to be patient, and think. Both of you guys are awesome. This video has taught me this.
I miss the late 2000s and early 2010s, where everything wasn't so political and people weren't so judgemental and hateful. I used to feel like the internet could be a safe haven for me to truly be myself. Goddamn people ruin everything.
@Mortchen I'm just gonna say it... NORMIES RUINED THE GODDAMN INTERNET!
Y'all noticed when "normies" (aka people who live according to whatever is popular regardless of its quality or having any substance at all) had a regular use for the internet (facebook and all that vapid brainless shit) mainstream and online culture started going into a DOWNWARD SPIRAL?
Yep fam I said it, the sheep majority ruin everything that thrives on individuality by imposing their vapid values on everyone else by power of sheer numbers, quantity over quality being the defacto rule of law versus quality... and you get mediocrity and just a shitty way of doing things, a broken system in general for people.
You're welcome for the EmpLemonesque analysis of modern society and what sped up its downfall.
And this is why the term "normies" will never truly die, it resonates with our reality in a way that will never leave it truly outdated, there will always be people who live just to follow others into the grave, and people who want to be free to be their own individual selves without being harassed by perfect serfs for not being part of the herd following the shitty soundcloud rapper/pornstar gone famous/obnoxious people pandering to kids shepherds and will naturally feel repelled by people collectively wasting their entire potential by revering pure mediocrity making bank off their emotional baggage.
Don't even get me started on billions of people watching some grown dudes run around a field chasing a ball for 90 minutes, 85 of them just passing a ball to each other and call it entertainment, if a movie had the same people doing the same shit over and over again interspersed only by fleeting moments of real action that would be a 1/10 box office bomb, yet they get real sensitive when you try to tell them exactly what they're actually mindlessly doing and how much of a waste of life that seems, they get really upset for finding that out... but they don't seem to change, maybe they don't now what else to do and they'll just wallow in mediocrity for the rest of their lives to the grave, forever watching athletic dudes living their dream and getting paid and laid while their (in comparison) sad pathetic asses get fatter and fatter, get into unfulfilling marriages and whatever else bad ideas they can come up with just because someone else is. Not even doing the thing that they're watching clearly more successful people doing, because you're just that pathetic. Or following some pathetic rolemodel like some fake gangsta or some bimbo with plastic everything and the epitome of fakeness. Don't want to sound like an edgelord or anything but the more you think about it in depth, from an impartial view the sadder and meaningless it all becomes. Who said humans were anything special? The ones that made all the amazing tech we use and take for granted are and all the advancements for us are, and we're just being carried by them, but 99 out of 100 are just coasting in life, with nothing truly special or meaningful to do.
@Fancy Pepe You really sound aggressive to talk bravely but you're not wrong anyway. Most of the people with little to average IQ always wanted to seek out for something greater out of their expectations. But they realized that all of their expectations are nothing but lies because they are crossing in the wrong path -- a road to hopelessness. They believe that they're smart but all of their knowledge are nothing but illusions, so they wasted their whole lives trying to work out on something greater, but they did this the wrong way. Blaming on people who are successful and normal like a human being. Although, everything what humans did is not about what they did or what they actually experienced in the past, it's not about men chasing a ball for 90 minutes or getting bullied by the society for the way they look or the way they feel. IT'S THEM! They foolishly did themselves for the sake of their personal gains. For the "normies", they should take some responsibilities and improve their potential as humans. Not everyone is perfect but not everyone can be awful, too. Pathetic people like SJWs have a sad life because they are failures who got so jealous of someone's success that they wanted to ruin everything to get their opportunity. It's like a greedy miner looking for gold to catch but after taking every risk, he finds out that the gold doesn't exist and he died when it turned out that he went to the wrong cave.
Thank you so much, Emplemon. It is nice to see all of us admitting our mistakes in our pasts. You are better than most youtubers with admitting your mistakes. Thank you..
Ehhhhhhhh, I don't know about that chief. But I don't think we will ever know. I choose to think he's a bit dense. So being dense can explain either side of the argument. Both aeguments are stupid. "He did it for fame." "No he did it to raise awareness but did it in a stupid way."
for all the hate he's just a normal good dude, he got way to much hate and didn't deserve all the hate, he just loved teaches us about memes and now because he's gotten so much hate that is ruined now that happiness is gone
This is just unethical , for the first time in my live I'm just speechless , I think by actually showing compassion here you are doing the right choice emperor
You really could have worded this better. You basically spent a third of the video calling him stupid, not enough time talking about your responsability in this situation.
Wow. The BehindTheMeme video was the first thing of yours I ever watched, and to see you defend him... This is actually rather inspiring. Good on you EmpLemon, setting a great example for internet shitlords of all kinds.
All of this because the meme community harshly dehumanized on him on the first place. Only if the haters hadn't been so blinded by this pointless and ignorant war on "normies", all of this could've been avoided. The innocent and apparently clueless entertainer that was behind that channel is finally showing up now, unfortunately in the worst way possible; but it's about time we apologize.
I love the fact that if something DID happen to BTM, emp was gonna be blamed, as if all of his fans were mind controlled by ya boy with no free will and decision making skills of their own.
Thank you. This is what I've thought the whole time. We really should spare people with good intentions from hate and save it for actual bad people. I never really believed he killed memes anyway.
We gotta remember that he is a human no matter what he does
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The Guy 692018-09-30 03:10:06 (edited 2018-09-30 03:14:20 )
Eh, who gives a shit.
Edit: Actually, you’re right, he’s still a person, who has feelings. Even though he’s one of the worst channels on YouTube, and he’s killed multiple memes, he is still a person.
What did he do again? Allegedly kill memes? They're just memes, at the end of the day. What he's been doing isn't worthy of the calibur of hatejerk against him.
@Thundaga The worst that it does is messing with the meme economy, but it's not as important as the actual economy.
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James Baxter2018-09-30 03:59:05 (edited 2018-09-30 04:00:39 )
Man’s desperate for attention after losing his channel. He got fame, because his content looked promising. But he got arrogant and lazy, like a lot of us, and gave up on improving his content to keep an audience via quantity. I can see why he reacted this way, and I hope he recovers from this. (Him as a person, not the meme review videos. They can burn in a bonfire for all I care).
But he only killed memes, and its not as bad as the first 2 examples. If anything just move on and forget about his content and what he did, and if he really has depression then the most anyone can do is direct him and his loved ones to professional care.
@Cosmic Memer Well Hitler and people like him, have there reasons for doing bad, and he was doing it to benefit Germany (he just did it using irrational means). And some people do bad things because of mental health issues.
kremit the frog actually i want to change that, Jimmy Savile was human, both BehindTheMeme and Jimmy Savile made shitty shows to lure children to them.
And it's on this note that I have to say, this video can somewhat exonerate you from Leafy's fate. Through this, you've proven you are willing to accept your mistakes and GROW as a person, something Leafy never did.
Behind the meme should see this video. I know for a fact that he would cry in jot because you actually forgave him. Like dam this video was pretty deep.
I also start to feel sorry for my opponent when I win this hard in an argument.
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The Mr.W Channel2018-10-01 00:29:36 (edited 2018-10-01 00:30:35 )
Major respect for EmpLemon that was really mature of you, man. I love your videos I love how you’re defending the guy even though his videos may be corny!
on one hand, behind the meme is a shithead who deserves to be bashed on but on the other hand we all on the internet understand how it feels to be bashed to oblivion. I could never defend the actions btm did but I do relate with the constant hate and do feel sorry for him. The thing that makes me feel better about this however is the idea that he put this on himself. Sure you could argue that Anthony is in the fault by calling him out thus starting this whole ordeal but it wasn't really Anthony or Emp's videos about btm that killed him, it was btm's response videos that killed him. If he got off his soap box and actually tried to take the criticism given to him and improved apon himself, then he would have had no where near the conflict that still stands today. My philosophy is online, you can't hide from criticism and you can't deny it and why should you! Criticism has always been about how you could improve yourself. I don't think all the hate that btm got was valid criticism however he did receive some and did nothing to improve himself with it. I know that the internet won't give him a second chance but if he were to somehow get that shot at redemption, I hope he tries to improve himself instead of what he did last time. Emp I hope you have a wonderful day and I hope this doesn't give you a hard time. And for the people who are confused saying I support btm, I don't I hated him just like everyone else, I just would like to see him try to redeem himself.
if that's the case, then i just feel bad for the guy, because half the internet just got sicced on him, and being the dummy that he is, he's just gonna dig himself an internet grave.
Huh... ya know, I can see where you’re coming from. It seems like his joy comes from entertaining others (granted he could put more research into his videos). Maybe the guy needs a friend, and hey, that friend could be any one of us. Instead of bashing him for doing something wrong, we should instead give him some pointers on how to improve it. He doesn’t seem to come across as an asshole at all, but it seems like he is more trying to find a way to fit in to a certain group. He reminds me of a younger me, the younger brother who wanted to join in with his older brothers and their friend whenever they did stuff like games and such. I don’t see any harm in leaving him out, so we should welcome him into the community with open arms.
It was kinda nice having a genuine video like this with no mini YouTube poops and other memes scattered throughout. Glad to know that you have a conscience. Good on you.
took you a while to realize he wasn't doing it all just for the money but he was just naive about the whole youtube thing. That's why at first I didn't really understand the whole drama you started against him, I actually saw you as the attention-hoar for all this time, because you just came out of nowhere and attacked him. I'm glad that you're not cynical about him anymore. Ironically this reminds me of the SpongeBob video you made, you are Squidward who hated on him and he was SpongeBob for a happy-go-carefree guy.
So basically Behind the Meme is really just some guy who walked down the wrong internet alley, and now hes making videos on memes that were buried a week ago. Hm. ...huh, I... feel peace in that idea.
You know I feel bad for you, you make all this great content and then people start hating on you with long comments, well I'm proud of you! Keep up the good work emplemon!
Makes what is essentially an apology video for trashing BTM, original video still up and monetized with nearly 2 million views compared to this videos 250k.
Don't get me wrong I really enjoy your content Lemon, but during the whole thing where BTM (who I'm not particularly a fan of) was getting trashed I couldn't help but think to myself that the dude was harmless, just going about his business doing what he wanted to do.
It's times like that I really have to question what people's motives are. You trash a completely benign YouTuber for nothing meanwhile you're collecting ad revenue on it because we all know that drama and hate pieces get views. It's a pretty scummy thing to do.
This story isn't about creator quality, content, or suicide, it's about bullying. Bullies target isolated, naive, loners. It's a weak and insecure thing to do.
I always thought hating the guy was childish in the first place. He wasn’t doing anything bad, all he’s ever done was make mediocre videos. Yeah they might ruin a joke by introducing younger and more naive people to it, but is that really that bad. I mean, they’re just jokes online.
Honestly, the guy made the best content he's made in years with those five videos. They were actually really good, if not downright better then what you make. Seriously, I hope he does more stuff like that because it really shows what he can do when not making watch mojoesq videos. And i hope you actually start making good content like that as well.
wow , this is just the most needed video in this time period , in a period in which we see second motives beehind everything and in which we put these imaginary motief on a highter standard than the real ones , we are living in a word in which someone can accuse somebody else of faking depression ,whit minimalistic proofs, and get no backlash whatsowever , in a time in which everything is fake , and in which peole thake engoyment out of seeing other pepole getting criticized , i was to that side a long time ago but now i see the commentator should be at the same standard of the commentated if not even highter
It's sad that in cases like these, it takes showing genuine incompetence to prove there innocence, some good people look bad on the outside, and vise versa.
He could have done this WAYYYY better. He could have made an entire video about suicide awareness, instead of this though. Still, this video changed my perspective on him. He had no clue and it's sad tbh
Your theory does seem valid. You have me believe that he's unaware of the mistake he made. However, whether a person is or isn't aware of their actions and the effect it will have on people, does not excuse the truth on how the action had on a larger scale. Behind the Memes might have good intentions, but the action was still bad. If someone were to break another person's arm and say that it's because that someone believes that it's good for people to break their arms, would that be acceptable? I don't know about you, but I don't think that is. That person should know that it's not okay to break people's arms, just as Behind the Memes should know that staging suicide is not a way to give awareness to mental health problems. If your theory is correct, and that Behind the Memes was really trying to raise awareness to mental health. Then I believe constructive criticism should be given.
As for the people who hate Behind the Memes because of his actions, I think they have every right to be angry at him. This is a topic that is really sensitive to a lot of people and even personal. Accurate representation of depression and messages for the people who are unaware or mental illnesses; is important to the people who have suffered through depression themselves. When someone stages suicide and say it's in an act to spread awareness, it could very well hurt the people who are depressed. 13 Reasons Why I think is a good example of what I mean. Although I don't have personal experience with depression, I can relate to the raging feeling that these people feel about Behind the Memes' video. I have a sister who loves me very much, but she disrespects the people I love. She didn't change her behavior to these people until I expressed my hatred towards her. This caused a shock effect to her and she changed, though be it a slow change. I believe the same effect should be done to Behind the Memes. For having a video that feels mocking to the mental health minority, the minority and its allies should speak out on why this effects them. However harsh the voices speak.
Again. If your theory is correct, then I do believe that constructive criticism is deserving of the addition to personal feeling a person had towards the video. Whether it is the expected reaction from the mental health community, or the unexpected recation you have towards this guy.
I watch Behind The Meme 5 part series and I'm going to say wow. He's went to great lengths to promote suicide awareness. I mean he's a great actor yes but his content fordiscussing memes is very corny.
Can I just say I love you man? I fucking remember when you made YTP's (cliche "I supported you before you blow up" comment I be) and you made like a 40 minute YTP for 100,00 subs, and now I love your analysis videos that dissect that shit out of subjects.
Even though he did something controversal, I find myself pitying him. I agree with Emp. I dont watch the guy, but i have no hate for the guy. Heres hoping he pulls his stuff together, not really his youtube carrer but mainly his real life.
The series was always clearly staged, as prior to it's release he talked about how great he felt from taking a break from youtube. I also found the lines to be very obviously scripted. The titles and descriptions were not only reminiscent of the staged Psycho Series, but also heavily implied that each one was a different part of a story arc that has some meaning that would be revealed at the end. I find any sort of outrage caused by this to be completely ridiculous.
Gabriel Barsch How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Digimon Tamers, The Simpsons, Pokemon Sun and Moon anime including Serena from X and Y, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby is pushed as a second Protagonist to go along with Diddy Kong. Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smokig pot with their friends
I always liked BTM videos this guy seemed like a nice guy and I was surprised he got hate. I thought he described the meme's well, and while the voice he was using was kinda cliche it could have been him trying to just project his voice. I know his videos might not have the best editing I thought it went well with the whole explaining meme's idea. Thank you for reading this
i.e. you basically rallied up an unwarranted witch hunt on a guy who had a passion of wanted to entertain and educated where he made a fake suicide. And you feel regret, sounds logical to me.
I rememeber watching behind the meme back in the day and wondering why he was so hated all of the sudden. It was only last year that i figured out it was due to someone making a video about him. Now i know why. Granted i dont care as i out grew his content a month before shit hit the fan, but its baffling that all this went over my head...
Ask me I honestly feel like we fucked him up badly and that the life ending thoughts WERE there. You ever wonder why we all thought it was real? Because excluding the actual suicide video it felt real. He probably did go out to that point overlooking the freeway thinking those things.
BehindTheMeme has been bullied for such a long time when his only crime was making popular videos that a lot of people didn't like. He was never spiteful or vindictive despite all the crap he got, to the very end.
As nice a gesture as this is, it's too little too late.
It's too true. However, I don't think Emp was making this video as a sort of apology, moreso as a way to show that he realizes how wrong he was, and that these vindictive attacks are wrong, full stop. I doubt Emp was expecting forgiveness. Alas, the damage was done.
The internet is the most influencial thing that can change people emotionally and I'm annoyed by it, just millions of pixels in the comment section changed this guy's whole point of view
after back to back watching basically 7 hours of your video today I must say this video impressed me the most of you as a person. Love all your videos and can't wait for your future ones.
I could have told you that years ago... I mean look at his "Draw My Life" sure you could say "He was lying the whole time to manipulate his audience" but if you use it as a context to why he actually stuck with the same format through all the hatred and even the doxxing of his mom(If I remember correctly) is because he didn't know anything else(may it be a video format on youtube or a decent job) that was successful and his life wasn't going to well otherwise. It also seemed like he was so used to living on a modest budget that the adsence money was enough for him to not plug merch, sponsorships and heck he didn't collab not only that he hired an editor so he could deliver more content on adsence alone when he got big...
hey dude, i have watched your videos before when you only did YTP's. Didnt think much of the time until i started watching your recent videos like 'empty subs' 'meme theory' 'yt geographics' etc. your analysis videos and videos when you share your opinion and explain why you have that opinion are very well structured and entertaining videos. I love how your attitude is that of early youtube, doing youtube for fun. Bless you EmpLemon.
This whole Behind The Meme depression thing completely went over my head. I'll have to watch the videos (although I highly doubt I ever will), but I somewhat hope he wasn't that foolish. In any case, I personally do not believe in the noble cause, I think actions and effects always weigh more than intentions; which somewhat disqualifies BTH from regaining my respect. Like I said, I didn't watch the videos, I doubt I ever will. But I don't think, just from hearing this story alone, I will be able to ever watch those videos. This doesn't mean I hate him. I just do not have respect for him.
And after concluding the series with three videos, and a two month break, he decided to post three videos of rather questionable quality and message, and stayed silent ever since. What exactly happened?
Ughh... I was one of the first fans of behind the meme... i started watching him when he had 100 000 subs... i stopped watching him cuz i was watching some other stuff. Though i still support him. I respect dreams ok! But... i dont think getting hate for doing your dreams is not right! If i'm understanding this wrong, please correct me. I'm disappointed at the people who hated him. I didnt know that this situation is happening.
I appreciate you giving him the benefit of the doubt. As someone with severe depression and as someone who has attempted suicide in the past, I was absolutely disgusted by his videos. I’m one to give people leeway and I think normally I’d be right there with you in your assumption that he’s just clueless and not an asshole. I want to believe that. YouTube has just constantly disillusioned me into seeing the worst in so many creators. To me the major gauge of BehindTheMeme’s true intentions would be whether or not he monitored his videos and how heavily he had done so. I just find the idea that he could be so clueless as to not only make these videos but to try to make money off of them as well while claiming to be doing it for awareness would be the true litmus test for his intentions. Something I’ve taken to heart over the years is the saying “don’t assume malice over idiocy”. I have YouTubeRed so I’m not sure if his videos are advertised on. Plus I just don’t watch his videos. Anyone have a look and see what’s going on?
How'd this work out? You can't put the genie of a mob back into a bottle. Learn from Leafy's mistakes. You know them. Don't censor yourself, but the PSA comes in when you're on the offensive, not post mortem. You don't even have to do it every critique video. Just now and then, remind them.
Never let cynicism cloud your full judgement. Factor it in, sure, but don't let it color your glasses. Take it from an old hand at expecting the worst... You're right more often, but when it's applied to the individual, being wrong has its toll, to you as well as them. Keep it as a tool in your analytical toolkit, but don't be too fast to use it.
I don't know a thing about running a channel. Take with a 2016 sized chunk of salt, but this is stuff life, at least, did teach me.
How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby is pushed as Protagonist Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smokig pot with their friends
To be honest I really don't care if there are no visuals. I get kinda baffled that you act like you didn't put any effort in some things, and that I couldn't even replicate the most simple edits you make
Just for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong.
Eh... sorry but innocence and good intentions through harmful ignorance, also harmful stupidity and bad circumstances... is not really a thing (to me). As one suffering depression and formally suicide completion myself; His take and play up on suicide like countless other online attempts, is horrifically disrespectful and even dangerous to the actually suicidal; REGARDLESS of intent or self-awareness, same goes for everything he has been doing up till now. HOWEVER like you've said, I've long forgotten and stopped caring about Behind the Meme. Won't ever really forgive, but have already forgotten, and lost care to do or say anything to him in anyway. I'll still be all the more glad if the does turn around from this... but only EXACTLY because he DOES deserve some level of blame.
EmpLemon Imagine if he actually committed suicide a few hours after this video.
Not only would that be the ultimate plot twist but it would also count as an inception since there would be a plot twist within a plot twist in this scenario.
Lemme preface this by saying I actually thought his videos were kinda cool. They explained some of the memes. Before I found yours and pyros videos about Behind the Meme I never really had anything against his videos. I still dont. What you two said in your respective videos were more of things to consider.
That being said, another point I've begun to ponder is when you live in a world so full of shitballers and ass eaters that a genuine appearance is not considered legit.
EmpLemon, I'd ask you if it really do be like that, but then, I suppose it makes sense. Because consider the cynical individual who was dealt all the wrong cards. Or the perpetually lonely individual who could never get a romantic partner.
The internet has changed so much in so short a time. And its changed all of us too. Theres something simpler and more genuine about ytps and minecraft music videos and gmod videos from the beginning of this decade that is lost on much of the mainstream youtube stuffs out there.
Memes were simpler back then.
Like the alpha quadrant in the 22nd century the internet must have been a whole lot bigger back then. It's a time I remember only vaguely.
A time before windows 10 Before fornite and PUBG Before minecraft was for cringy children Before mark and pewds were popular. As was always the case, life seemed simpler back then.
As the current decade draws to a close who knows what our own 20s will bring us.
Hey Emp Lemon, your videos are awesome 100°/. . Behind the Meme tried way to hard to be popular and great but he didn't realise that his content became boring,lazy and repetitive. Great video. Behind the Meme should learn that his content is hated and should handle the criticism about his issue and the people who love memes,but instead he uploaded videos of his deppresed,drunk and commited fake suicide in a poorly way. Your opinion about Behind the Meme is depressed is awesome.
It was honestly obvious, Emp... The guy was clearly a normie explaining memes for normies. That rules out most ulterior motives. You only had to look at the videos being mediocre to see there were none.
Stay on your toes, man. Yes, he might be an idiot with a big heart. But we all know where being an idiot in life gets you to. You did a fine job. He's not gonna be an idiot anymore
I knew it was a narrative, but I'm glad he turned out okay, sure it was wicked, but it helped him see just how many cared in contrast to the hate beforehand.
I like how people are fuming even though this video is really old clearly shows that people don’t look at the upload date. But emp lemon was always in the wrong.
love the way you think in this vid, a breath of fresh air in between the toxic destructive comments. what he did is a shitty thing, but i really hope he was honest about it being an awareness thing.
Well done! You should always put your cynicism aside and think about what the person could actually be. YouTubers are usually greedy, but not all YouTubers are greedy.
not gonna lie this gave me a bit of a new perspective on this guy. like I barely watched him, so I just assumed what everyone said. looking back though yeah the infamous videos are still unwarranted and probably tasteless to most, but that's what a man who never considered the intricacies of the internet can and in his case would do when in the depths of being bullied for just making meme explained videos. this man was an outsider to the youtube scene, aware enough to make it but naive enough to make fatal screw ups
I honestly felt this way all along. He was just a nice guy all on his own. Doing this by himself yet still taking on bigger YouTubers when they came with some hate.
when i first saw your behind the meme video, i was kind of rubbed the wrong way by how you presented the issue, as if the memescape and normies were things that were hugely important to the world at hand. but your perspective here really moved me. i really the respect the approach youve taken to this.
Kind of glad that I unsubscribe to his videos when he first started posted these. Not really into this attention grabbing stuff. BehindTheMeme didn't know how to change it up from explaining memes, so went for lowest common denominator to get attention. It worked but its spit his fan base. Anyway if he wants to continue down that road so be it.
You've echoed my entire train of thought. Were his meme videos not decent? Yep. Was the series a horrible mistake. Absolutely. But I do think he's just a guy that wants to do good things and thinks what he's doing is good. A naive man with sincere intentions.
So im gona make a point here Sometimes ppl r not bad they just seem bad and not every 1 wants money and fame(kinda) some ppl r way 2 good hearted to be bad to others its basicly this nomatter how good and respactful u r at school ppl well see that and bully you
I commend you for being able to swallow your pride but I do think you're being a bit naive here. He did a horrible thing and deserves the backlash for it, I can't imagine any scenario where he made that he wasnt thinking about himself.
as someone who just want's mental health to finally be understood, i can't hate the guy for something so stupid as that. Yes he went about this the most tone-deaf way possible but this wasn't a Logan Paul in the woods with a dead body kind of thing. he's an idiot, just not a malicious one.
Thank you, EmpLemon. You always are just able to put all the thoughts in the back of my mind up front and center. Behind the Meme, yea, doesn't make very good content. However, he's still a normal member of society, just like the rest of us. It's like hating a celebrity for being popular and other people not liking them: irrational.
Behind the Meme makes mediocre to bad videos, so I had forgotten about him until I saw this video. The best strategy to deal with a youtube channel like his is to just let it die out on its own as it deserves and as it organically will, no strategy and no special movement at all.
It's less like the community should stop hating BTM because he doesn't truly deserve it and more like he isn't even worth hating anymore. The fact BTM genuinely pulled this kind of shit to his remaining fans and didn't do this for some quick cash makes the whole thing a fuck ton worse. Doing a suicide video while fans speculating that he would probably commit suicide. It's like the emotionless girl theory but instead of being kidnapped by terrorists she commits suicide.
@Rickyrooroo229 People stick to hate youtube accounts instead of making better content instead. In a way, mob mentality is also a reason Youtube is not great, and it down punch any small youtuber if someone makes a viral video, we exploit drama and smear names but it never moves forward or even makes a change, instead we stick in the drama. It's new but it doesn't change really until the next thing happens because it doesnt fix it.
As someone who suffered from depression from 2013 to 2016; seeing it trivialised and so poorly executed in those videos is insulting. It's people like him that cause depression to be so misunderstood. Even if it was to "raise awareness" it was just done so badly, that it actually harms the cause.
Yeah, depression isn't something that I think anyone truly understands. I learned in AP Psychology with a recent book that one thing they change in updates the most are vague disorders like that.
Idk why everyone is so enraged by this comment. I think it is a useful piece of information coming from someone who has experienced an illness most people haven't. Even emp lemon agrees that it is poorly executed.
I hope you actually had depression, like a screening test to prove it, since I really hope you werent one of those edgelords who say theyre depressed even though the arent
Did I ever say I wanted attention? No. Did I want sympathy? No. All I wanted to do was give background as to why I feel the way I do about this. I made one comment. One. And I get jumped on by a bunch of people simply for mentioning I had depression. At what point did I indicate that I wanted attention for the fact I had depression? I never went into detail about it so how can you simply assume I have a shitty life or I'm making it up? Not everyone that says they had depression is making it up or doing it for attention. If anything, seeing these reactions from people show how badly misunderstood it is as a mental illness, because of people like BtM faking it.
Thank you. When I watched that awful "Oooooh the normies will take over ackackack" I got 80 different diseases at once.
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Before all this happened, I never understood the hate on BTM, I genuinely thought he had a good show concept. Sometimes I’ll see a dumb meme and wonder where it came from and how it got popular. It was certainly more original than just reacting to them (cough cough Pewdiepie) but this is just awful, he deserves everything that’s coming now.
wait so you didn't get that when watching his videos? that man transpires innocence in everything he does! its so obvious you'd have to be a fool not to see that!
I feel like Behind the Meme’s biggest problem was overlooking what he could accomplish, he thought the same type of content could just let him slide by as a mediocre YouTuber doing what he thought was best, and after the internet took advantage of him he kept going until his videos came to a halt, that makes me feel like Behind the Meme really didn’t care about the hate he was getting or how much negative criticism he had, because he was happy with what he did and saw people liked what he was doing. I’m sure that eventually he reached a breaking point and hence made this video to sort of address not only awareness to suicide but also to his own feelings, and that the internet has been giving it to him pretty badly since your own first video on him. In the end, I can actually see from his point of view REALLY well, because being mediocre is what we’re all good at, it’s just that going for more is what Behind the Meme didn’t do that most other big youtubers did, and that’s what got him to where he is today.
I just think it would be helpful to teach the Werther-effect or copycat-suicide in school to give awareness about displaying suicide in a medium. If you don't know about this I highly recommend you to read on these topics.
I honestly disagree with some of the things you said in this video, but massive respect for this video, most youtubers would probably make a clickbait superdupersad vid about this.
Yep, that's what I thought when I saw your BTM takedown video. Listening to him, I was just like, "awww the poor little guy is doing his best, why are you beating up on the simpleton?"
The internet is a harsh, unforgiving place. There are three sides you can go to when it comes to controversy. 1. Offensive. You keep hacking away at it, along with many others. No matter how sincere the apology, you will never forgive. You just keep harassing. 2. Neutral. You don't hate on the one who created the controversy, you don't defend the person, you just sit there and do your own thing. Perhaps forgive, but meh. 3. Defensive. You defend the creator no matter how bad it is. Usually I think it makes you stupid depending on the controversy. (Maybe there are more sides but these are the three I found)
Me? I'm usually on the offensive side when it comes to stuff. Even when I am subscribed and like the content creator, I never defend said person. I don't forgive, and I never will. I'm willing to help Behind The Meme in understanding the intricate logistics of the meme economy, but he has to ask for help first. If he had posted a video questioning why he was getting hate then I would explain it to him, just as detailed as this comment here.
To be honest, I used to like the guy to keep me updated on the memes, but my ascension point was with your Meme Theory video on Behind The Meme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFGqhEVr7lk), and it just went up ever since.
I will never forgive Behind The Meme for what he did, but I won't stop anyone for forgiving them, and I will just present my point.
I derive my own feelings from the information I gather, no matter what other people tell me. Trying to stop me will prove futile if you just tell me to stop.
BehindtheMeme faked suicide because he wanted to raise awareness for suicide.Emperor Lemon said that, prior to making this video, he wanted to call out BehindtheMeme (which is a justified response when you believe that he did it simply for views) because he wanted to gloat about how right he was. So, in a way, BehindtheMeme did something wrong for the right reason, and EmperorLemon was initially going to do something right for the wrong reason. Because Lemon realized that he was going to call him out for doing something really bad, more so out of being able to say "I told you so" than actual disgust, he realized that his motives were fairly self-serving.
I always used to think BTM was a troll like Reactor trying to parody other channels and that series of videos would be his way of showing everyone. Guess not
How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby is pushed as Protagonist Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smokig pot with their friends
I wanted to justify his actions so badly that I forgot he was faking a suicide. I knew it was fake but I still wanted to find something good in what he had done that I misinterpreted his actions.
The hate behind the meme got was 90% undeserved. Behind the meme was a good channel and the poor guy had too bad intentions. It's pretty fucking corny thinking about the haters going "ahhhh he's killing meme culture that stupid normie piece of trash" whether you like it or not, memes are everywhere and actually doing pretty good in the mainstream media. Heck, even teachers are using memes.
EmpLemon, you are actually a very informational guy. You have basically explained how people are starting to abuse serious situations just to obtain a huge mass of fans but you didn't notice how BTM has a slightly similar characteristic with LeafyIsHere. BTM might actually have some personal problems within his family, just like Leafy did. He might've wanted to abuse a serious situation because his family might be drug addicts or alcoholics or they might even have abused BTM physically, emotionally, or even mentally. He probably must've wanted attention because he was probably being neglected on the other side of the site and wanted some good attention. Before you hate someone, know someone.
Lemme ask you a question, Emp. Have you ever felt just ONE MOMENT, and I mean ONE MOMENT in your life, that you so badly wanted all the attention because of how you were being treated? I've been bullied and harrased at my school for being bisexual, and I have mild depression (dysthmia) making me feel so down all the time and sometimes I don't even wanna open up YouTube for ANYTHING. You must've had at least ONE moment in your life where you just wanted to let go and get away from life. I know for a fact Trump wasn't some rapist or a racist all his life, and I might know that Jimmy Kimmel might've been neglected all his life, which could be the reason why he is acting so strange now. Our childhood is the small seeds needed to grow an adult. Let your parents pour the wrong water, and you could end up turning to drugs and crime. I know you won't read this because of how I'm talking like the common dumbass, but if you do get to read this, I hope you answer my question.
Yeah, I had the same impression because he just.. never stops the style of humor, let alone attitude, so while his style is pretty generic in many ways, it also seems like he's doing it because he feels it is good the way it is.
...that being said i I didn't know there was this controversy, and yeah i can see now. I took it more as him making a project on the concept alone to tell a story on what if, and in turn in the end putting the message at the end because he knew that this kinda thing would make people seriously think about if he were kill himself, and in turn let people know that he is serious about the topic to let people know there's help to call.
..but obviously, that wasn't conveyed clear enough that it was fake, making some people believe it was real, and in turn the backlash came about. Whether I'm right, or Lemon is, of the people who backlashed him, it's clear he needed to find a way to make it more clear to the audience that it was a short film basically.
Can I say, anytime anyone anywhere someone brings you up, EmpLemon. I need them to remind me, that 'Your the guy who bullied behind the meme' Literally all I have known you for... uptil five minutes ago I finished your Spongebob video. Thought you might have wanted to know that. Good video btw, the Spongebob one I mean.
Am I the only one who never understood the BehindTheMeme hate (before the suicide video)? I've only seen a couple of his videos when I was confused about a meme, and his videos seem accurate according to KnowYourMeme.
Behind the meme reminds me of them terrible teachers who can't control the class no matter how much they try. The ones that do care but are just hopeless.
I just had a thought... This entire thing were pretty much initiated by EmpLemon, and well, when I look at "Behind The Meme" and compare their stuff to Soothouse and Sam'O Nella, well... Why on earth have all the people supporting EmpLemon and this entire "movement of bullies" directed towards tearing down BTM...well...why the fuck have you guys not done the same to the other shitton of crap derivative "IMMUH READ A REDDIT POST THAT IS TOP RATED SO YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO TO REDDIT" channels, not to mention the wikipedia ones? Honestly, I smell double standards, and the stench is partially coming from me...I fucked up when I joined in on harassing that guy. He might be clueless, but there sure as hell are channels like his with bigger audiences that do far FAR less work!
I don't hate him, I never really invested in on the issue. After your recent videos mentioning him ("Leafy Was Here" was a big contributor to this), I could not stop thinking "EmpLemon can't hate this dude, there's no way". It just would not get out of my head. I get the feeling that you did feel sympathy prior to this big series of videos he pushed, it just doesn't seem to add up that you saw it now, really. I'm not really concerned with this at all, and in the hypothetical situation that my feelings are correct, am I mad at you for supposedly not coming out with this before? No. Being mad at that would just be a waste of time.
The point is really that I think you didn't intend to raise so much hell in the first place. Yeah you meant to bite at him for making this stuff but I think it was a situation of you not realizing just how much weight you had in your throw. On top of that, people that follow big channels tend to be idiots. Despite you saying to not go all ham on the guy, some number of complete shitheads thought that BTM should end his own life **because he makes videos on youtube**. That's insane! I never really did understand why people are so extreme. To think that I could get genuine death threats because I make potentially harmless content is baffling. I don't even want to try to find out why people would do that, it'd be a pointless chase.
Now with that in mind, part of this claim inherently states that in a crude sense you intended to sort of pad your original idea. You still owned up to having errors in your motive, but you had to keep a sort of reputation with it. Of course, this is a very tall and otherwise unsupported claim based entirely on my own speculation that, for even that scenario, is weak. I really can't hold any of this against you, and I wouldn't if I could. It just struck me as odd that you made this video the way you did, so late in the sequence. At the same time, it makes sense. People would go apeshit if you were to suddenly change your view at some unsolicited time. It seems like that series of cryptic videos he made was just an opportunity you took advantage of. I don't know.
Food for thought. My view of you and likewise BTM (which is neutral) remains unchanged.
Since those suicidal videos were scripted, I want to criticize them for how badly edited they were. It's fine if BTM wants to take a different creative direction and make dark short films and he's not a very bad actor. But because the editing was so amateur people thought he was making legit pre-suicide vlogs. If he really wanted to make a video series promoting suicide awareness he should put more effort into them. If people saw the higher production values more of them would realize that it was clearly an act. It also doesn't help that BTM made no announcement that he planned to do something different, I guess he wanted it to be a surprise but he could've taken the time to think about the young impressionable kids watching his videos.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if those videos weren't so controverial and poorly made, I'd be all for BTM going in that direction so he never has to fucking talk about memes ever again.
I will get attacked by other people on YouTube for saying this, and I know I might cause a riot just for saying it, but I'm sorry EmpLemon, you made some good points here and there in your video. I just don't think anything would excuse Behind the Meme for the newer videos he is making, he is just being emotionally manipulative with his current work just to get people's attention to stop disliking him.
He just took suicide and depression with advantage, that is just emotional manipulation to your audience, and I just don't buy it or even care, he is just going from being cringeworthy to just being an attention seeker. Oh, and I agree that what he did is so godawfully abysmal, I hate Behind the Meme even fucking more, even when he is meant to be nice! Okay, no matter how hard he tries to be nice or tries to even bother get people's attention just to be quote on quote "nice", I find what he was doing as mentioned in your video outright unforgivable!
Oh, and I still find his meme videos shittier than his depression and suicide advantage videos because of the way he is. I cannot even bother to give this cringeworthy meme killer a chance because of the way he is. Again, nothing will excuse Behind the Meme for his overuse of filler in his meme videos, formulaic plots being the same shit repeated every single video in the past two years, killing every meme we know (even ones that DO NOT COUNT as memes like "ear rape", the SJW abbreviation, etc.), would not even try doing a thing to take the simplest amount of constructive criticism whatsoever due to his ways of him saying whatever he does is fine and won't care, no matter what kills him or not, and also for emotionally manipulating his own audience by taking advantage of suicide and depression, which is one of the worst things anybody can ever do, and it is just unforgivable.
I'm not giving Behind the Meme a chance, I don't buy his fucking work, he deserves no sympathy from other people, I don't buy his excuses, I don't care what he says, and I'd rather listen to someone else who I can trust rather than listen and trust someone who is some so called good guy who is just a normie who kills off memes and uses people to be emotionally manipulated.
This is like being told that the kid you've bullied all of your life had autism all along, making you feel bad because you unknowingly made fun of a kid with autism.
People butthurt about the obvious fake suicide bit need to lurk more on darker parts of the internet. Fake an heroing can be either pathetic or funny, never "insulting", only thin skin people think it is. In this case it was quite funny
Emp, you may never see this comment but, i watch your videos all the time. I wasnt around at the start and i wont pretend that i was, i found your videos a couple years back and thought they were genuinely inspired and amazing essays and documentaries about niche topics. As i explored more of your channel, i took interest in the form of you from 5, 6, 7 years back it feels like now, and i realized how vitriolic but still… passionate you were about what you were doing. Everything you said filled my mind and brought me to rethink how youtube has been going, even in this day and age. And i always spend time to watch your video about the youtube downward spiral. It was well and truly a captivating video that i attracted to whenever i felt like listening to someone get passionately mad over something. You were… so upset over Behind The Meme, so upset at youtube as a whole, and in the back of my mind i wondered how you went from such an agressive, passionate bro to a collected, yet still passionate dude. And then i found this video. This is such a small view into what you think. I dont know enough about you to truly judge your personality, but i saw myself a pure, unabashed humility for Behind The Meme, a dude you had so agressively despised for so long, and it was. A realization. Your content changed, and looking back at videos i was never there for in the moment reveals that… nobody really stays the same. Nobody is always constant with their views. I dont know how to really end this comment, im not good at passionately speaking in any moment, but it just… it feels like this video was a turning point for your content, putting more humanity and humility into what you create, less opinionated and judgemental to more collected and calm. Its a… very nice thing to know that everybody can change, but always keep a center of passion through it all. Sorry if this was… scatterbrained.
as i see it BTM is just a guy who wanted to be cool on the internet by trying to be like your typical troll who thinks is cool he did the mistake of creating that channel and looking at how much hate he got from the people he admired, he just convinced himself that the hate he was getting was unfair
I knew it was fake the whole time, however instead of it being for suicide awareness, I thought it was going to be some kind of reveal that the channel was fake and that this was just a stupid joke and a parody of clickbait and he randomly decided to send it down the shitter and make himself into the ultimate meme, sadly I was proven wrong with the last video
Great job Emp, I think he needs some help after all of the abuse he has received. Can’t wait for the next video on your channel! Take care Emp and keep doing what you are doing.
Btm is kinda like the kid who tagged along with you and does all the stuff you do, but more stupid. But, he just wants to be accepted, and thats who he really is
BehindTheMeme is probably one of the most fascinating YouTubers out there. From his odd shift in content despite his steady subscriber-base, to his hatedom actually outweighing his fandom and most of his uploads getting tons of dislikes, to his rapidly shifting content, to his breaks in uploads, to this recent stunt, to the revelation of him just being some clueless idiot with good intentions. It really is one of the strangest, yet most interesting YouTube channels I've ever seen.
I just watched the original video and now I realize how cringe it is, it has a lot of loud=funny moments and in a way it's kinda ironic how that video can be considered part of normie culture now because of all of the outdated memes
I wonder what implored you to throw this guy under the bus in the first place? Maybe you were mad that he didn't mention you in his video, or maybe you thought the "Meme community" needed a dragon to slay. Either way, good on you for owning up to your mistake.
....Half a god damn year after the damage was already done.
As some one that watched the McJuggerNuggets psycho series (and believed it was real at points). I've learnt to never believe in any YouTube videos like until proven they are real. A big give away is when they refer to themselves in the third person in the video description.
I think it’s important to realise that whilst his cry for attention/help may be fake, that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t need help or is isn’t affected by mental health issues. I think that to be in a position so dire that you would fake a suicide video, there must be something genuine about this call for help
EmperorLemon is the hero Youtube deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A DANK KNIGHT...
I feel bad for him looking back at it he was just trying to be inclusive while the entire internet's meme community was trying to stay as inward and exclusive as possible, he saw a world where everyone could laugh at memes where everyone else was living an elitist society where we all tried to get the biggest social cookie by being the meme or the creator or the one who always had the memes before they were cool. Ironic isn't it... On so many levels as well, we praised and praised people like Robbie for spreading positivity while the people who were just trying to make people happy got spammed on and bullied.
If what you're saying is true then someone should reach out to him and actually help him make his meme overviews better.
A meme overview channel isnt a bad idea but his execution was what made it terrible. If the circumstances around each meme were explained better and maybe some sort of listing of the time frame the meme was relevant to reduce the amount of people who'll just go around spewing a new meme they just learned it could be a fine channel.
Just saw this video just now. Obviously hidden by Susan W. Anyways I am glad to see your change of heart. Now that I look back at his behavior he does look like he was clueless. As you said before it's fun to hate people.
I like BehindTheMeme, in my opinion he doesn't ruin memes, he just explains them and it's not mandatory to watch it for someone who thinks it would ruin it.
Naive or not, it doesn't excuse anything. What he did was absolutely sick. I thought he was just some guy making bland videos before this whole controversy, but whether he was being intentionally malicious or not he's made it very clear that he has no intention of changing. In a way, his complete incompetence is worse than being actively malicious.
I never hated the guy or his videos, i only watched one video of him years ago, never like the guy or ever was sub to him. But i watched your video.. i understand what you were trying to say, but.. as you can see, people wanna hate no matter what you say. (i think that is why Idubbbz stopped making content cop) when you say something about one person.. you know that the mob mentality will act. and they did.
Now, i was never sub to him or liked his videos.. i will subscribe to him and give him some positive vibes.. because the hate is to much strong.
Ps: i know this is a meme but.. as you can see.. S O R R Y F O R B A D E N G L I S H <3
Your English is great for a non-native English speaker, don't you worry. There are people here that speak English as their only language, and speak it far worse than you. Keep on keeping on, friend.
I think he just wanted to try and do something new and creative. There is only so many cookie cutter videos you can make until you want to do something completely different no matter how bad it is
I really liked this. Most people nowadays cannot separate the art form the artist. That is a very important thing to do. His content isn't good, but I respect the intentions.
@GAMEDOSE Fuck Europe? For real now? After Internetslayer Ajit you are talking? People from EU sent you guys their condolences and now we are the bad guys?
@GAMEDOSE well, youtube will just stop working in EU. They threatned to stop working in Ireland when they tryed to pass similar bulshit laws. VPN should be used if article 13 passes
Personally, I've always felt that Behind The Meme got way too much hate for his mediocre content. Like, he didn't necessarily do anything bad, he just seemed kinda clueless and whatever and I guess his downfall was that he didn't really acknowledge that he can be criticised. However, i feel his haters took the issue too far by constantly yelling that he "kills memes" and shit and even doxxing the poor dude.
I think I heard Internet Historian say Behind The Meme is like Lenny from Of Mice and Men on a podcast or something, and compare the part of the book when he kills the puppy meaning to stroke it to his meme reviews. And that’s probably the most accurate description of the guy - dumb and clueless but well meaning.
I never hated Behind the Meme. Sure, he was always a bit boring but in the end I just saw him as a guy who enjoyed making the things he did. Even when I stopped watching him I always thought about his channel from time to time, wondering how it was doing.
Now? Well, let's just say I might just disconnect from the internet for a little bit.
the only way he's gonna be left alone is if he grows a braincell, becomes self aware, quits making videos, and only return when he is finally starting to understand how the internet works because hes just so consistently clueless of anything to the point that i question if hes braindead
BTM made his channel to explain to people the meme who dont understand it. If someone doesnt understand the meme they could use it in an annoying or wrong way. And its nice to know where the meme came from so you can thank the person who made the meme originaly.
While I don't hate the guy, since he does monetize his content, I think it's fair to leave critique to the content itself. Rule of thumb when it comes to any online content, the person involved in it isn't always a bad person if their content is bad, but criticism can still be valid despite that.
I understand what you're saying, but i don't think anybody is going to let the fake depression card fly away lightly.
He doesn't know how to respond to criticism so at best he gets his own mum to roast people, and at worst he fakes depression to get everyone on his side.
I only saw part 5 as fake. But its really dissappointing how he took advantage of this, and i have depression myself and it disappoints me to see people like this. I like the way you adressed this despite the fact that this is the first video ive seen from you
Dude you are god or angel or something like that. I am serious. I never felt bad for that meme destroyer. But now i do. I feel like its the most rare thing that any media personality would try use their power even this much to good. EmpLemon you are amazing, impartial, fair and trustworthy. I feel like i will never trust any other youtuber as much as i trust you right now. 99% of other youtubers would never give any fuck. EmpLemon you are what everyone should be.
To be fair here you are mighty pretentious for a guy who just admitted he was wrong. I've been defending BTM since the beginning because it was obvious he was just a 'normie' making videos to explain memes to us 'plebs', and I appreciated that. I have criticized some of his videos for being lazy, but in a constructive way. But people like you and the endless hateful commenters are the ones who drove him to get depressed and quit for so long.
Did anyone ever notice how all people who spend a lot of time online go trough this depression fase? Like... a damn lot. The internet is making everyone lonely.
You know the fact that Emplemon a.k.a. BTM's worst enemy would take a bullet for him even when btm has basically reverse fucked himself and his career really shows you emp has his colors too.
He already had the video taken down. There's just parts 1-4 and one with him describing what happened in part 5 in dialogue with puppies playing in the background.
This reminds of the Jake Paul killer clown incident, i always thought that it was porbably even worse than the suicide forest, since he was pretty much taking advantage of little and naive children just for the sake of attention. I don't have any sympathy for Jake Paul, and i didn't had any for BehindTheMeme neither, but now that you put it that way, i can't help but feel sorry for the guy.
to be honest i really wanted to see behind the meme be the golden (memed) channel. but now im like why mate why make it like this. great way to finish 3/4ths of 2018 wow 2018 is so around death that it makes me ill like really ill. if your a good guy please please make a aplogize video and at the very least due some chairty work. not any of this fake suicide shit like jack or logan paul. man i will say 1 thing for this being your 1 big wrong doing i will say ok
I'm confused how this was supposed to be offensive? He was raising awareness. So can we have no vision of any suicide in movies tv or any form of entertainment anymore?
It took you guys that fucking long to figure this out i knew it from the start 1. The comedy 2. The amount of money he probably makes 3. His way of speaking
All 3 of those made me figure out really quick that his just a foolish guy with a good heart
This reminds me of a guy named Rouge. Doomsday.exe (a fellow tf2 youtuber) talked about this guy and he faked CANCER and DEPRESSION. just for free items.
He's disliked by some for his plagurism and somewhat amateur-ish video content, but I feel many took it too far.
The internet isn't fully aware of how aggressive it can be because harassment/bullying targets respond in different ways. Whilst one person can just be unfazed by others wishing death on them, others can be severely affected by it, especially if they have underlying mental disorders.
Even if BTM was going to be unfazed by the harassment and bullying, doxxing is where it started to get more serious. The disconnect between his internet life and his real life had been disrupted. It's at that point where you can't just say "I don't care what any of you have to say".
It's fine to dislike someone for seeing their content as poorly edited. That's on them, you can comment on their content being poor, and give improvements. It's fine to dislike someone for not taking improvement advice. That's on them, you can comment on their inability to improve. But if they don't improve even then, that's where you stop. The incompetence of others has no personal effect on you, especially if all they're just trying to do is make enjoyable content.
Finishing this off, I'm not saying "he's just a content creator, and if his videos aren't for you, leave him alone", but I am saying to leave him alone if you resort to wanting him to die, or attacking him personally.
I agree that Behind the Meme shouldnt have a terrible life and I dont think he's evil either. However, he is very flawed, and very stupid. I wish him the best in life and as long as he's happy it doesnt matter what any of us think, but I also think your critique of him is well deserved and completely accurate.
EmpLemon. Thank you for making this video. Ive always disliked you because of the BTM video you made a while ago. I thought you were personally attacking and hating on the person behind the channel. I've tried to tell people that BTM shouldn't get this much hate. Yeah he makes annoying and bad content but he doesn't hurt anyone and he doesn't manipulate the YouTube algorithm. I bet that the actual guy is harmless and cool
if you just looked at his editing it was amateur and unprofessional, unlike things like Mashed and WatchMojo. It just felt like a homemade guy trying to educate people badly.
EmpLemon went full on Paul Heyman here. I don't know, I just can imagine Paul saying the same stuff. Lemons speech is like the one Paul did on if Brock lesnar intentionally taking out taker.
And now, I feel like Internet took a part of my soul away from me... What has society become? What even WAS society before all this? I don’t recall anything at all; I wasn’t from that era. However, I realized what I’ve been doing for years. Perhaps now is the time to forgive and forget about all I’ve done.
I can see myself being Behind The Meme. I once made shitty Youtube vidyas. Though I stopped, I could’ve boomed and produced shitty content. But, y’know what? Sometimes, you gotta let go and accept that you’ve made shitty stuff. Hell, I even wrote a novel that counts 120 pages and more and yet, it’s pure crap. But, y’know, I won’t be edgy or anything with this; I just love the cringy story I wrote because I can still see value into it. Nostalgia and stuff, y’know.
Finally, just think about this: art is subjective. When you start making art, you’re bad at it. Then you become good... or you thought you did, but everything’s just "existing" on a plane of existence that can’t be viewed objectively forever.
And thus, the artist that made "shit" improves, but hates his own objectivity and falls back into "shit", because that’s what he wants. I mean, really, what’s perfect? Nothing. It all comes back to nothingness if you go too far.
Don’t go too far, guys. Don’t feel bad for doing shit. Feel good for something for us all to appreciate, to laugh at or to laugh with. Enjoy life, guys. I love y’all, peace.
If that makes you feel better, society was always kinda like that, I would even say that it was worse than now. Why do you think Witch Trials were a thing? It’s easy to turn a group into a angry mob. This our primitive nature acting out, that’s why we have to be always careful about our judgments.
I think that in hindsight, what he did had guts. He showed us the side that we don't see when people get hate. He showed us what it felt to be on the brink of suicide. He showed us how much our words have affect on people. The execution was a terrible thing to do to his viewers, but I don't think there was any other way of getting the point across. If he had just talked about it, nobody really would have batted an eye, as everyone would have already known basically what he would say. I commend him for that.
Even if you did ruin behind the meme’s life it wasn’t you....it was those haters. Empathy is needed and now that I look at that fake suicide it shows that he might actually be suffering. There might be a universe where he actually dies.
I can't find a re-upload of the video, but if he really had killed himself, then who uploaded the video? Is there an explanation for that? And if not who fell for this?
I personaly liked his series, because in real life you won't always find something that brings you enough joy to keep on living. In real life killing yourself is so much easier, and it ends up being a common 'solution' to suicidal depression. The way he showed him killing himself felt wrong because it felt like this entire series was dumb and useless : and that's exactly how you end up feeling when someone you know and love kills themselves, you feel like they just wasted their entire existence. And that feel, it might not make you consider living rather than dying, but it might make you try to help a sad friend as quickly as possible when you know that they're going through some tougth things. That's why I appriciated this series, not as a person that suddenly chose to get help to find joy in life, but as someone that tried to help people arround me as soon as I felt that emotion of void and uselessness the first time years ago.
@Cool Guy 77 But the Emoji Movie is soulless, BTM however even if his stuff sucks, he doesn't know the consequence of what he is doing like the characteristics of Fred's character in Coconut Fred.
I never understand why there is so much hate to BTM, I don’t know what to hate, why would someone insult somebody over some shitty memes that eventually die after a few days
Actually I'm kind of sorry when I said I hope I can fix it I didn't watch the whole video that's why I was having problems but now I watched it makes more sense
Honestly, besides everything else, this is why I absolutely despise meme culture.
Honestly, the meme / commentary community pretends to be a good set of people who-can-do-no-wrong, claiming that they are against things like doxxing and violence, but when any form of meme is touched by something they disagree on, they somewhat go up in arms. Honestly, people end up being so on-edge (or edgy) on these contreversies that they end up creating a hatedom out of them.
The same thing happened to MrEnter in the art commentary community. Everyone hated him for making a kickstarter that was unachievable (note: not a scam), but people thought that he was just milking money like he was the same from his previous drama.
Now look how much in shambles he is.
The same thing happened to CWC. 4chan bullied him, and now most people despise him.
Look at youtubers like MisterMetokur, EmpLemon, Leafy, and etc. They have a huge fanbase somehow always behind them in any situation, and look at the hatedom that comes out of it.
Perhaps if he told the fans when it was proving to be a deadend and how it's likely never to fully materialize as a way to explain himself, he wouldn't get as much of a stigma towards him for it.
"Honestly, the meme / commentary community pretends to be a good set of people who-can-do-no-wrong, claiming that they are against things like doxxing and violence"
KillMeWithPotato um what hate do you suggest came from emplemon’s fandom? If you ask me, a majority of the hate was from Pyrocynical’s video on Btm. Or maybe it was a combination. But you cannot say Emp’s fanbase is like Leafy’s (or anyone’s fanbase for that matter.)
Sir GrandPuppy Sadly the edgy 12 year olds from 2016 have grown up and now overlap the fans of this channel. It's bound to happen.
And sadly, I'd be willing to say that any channel that tries to put a guise of 'edge' is bound to have a fanbase (though not on the same caliber) similar to leafy's.
KaijuDino 1235 But honestly, what did he do to deserve such a hatedom out of him?
He only made a kickstarter and he did not scam anyone. He just made a very unachievable goal of a lot of $$$. The shit he got for it was undeserved. He refunded everyone who donated and called it quits in a rant.
He isn't the same person he is from his previous drama. He has genuine mental health issues and is genuinely trying to improve. The shit he got for the kickstarter was uncalled for. Most of the 'criticisms' the art commentary community tried to give were honestly pretty bad. Turkey tom called him a 'pedo' for fuck's sake.
KillMeWithPotato I’ve watched mrenter since 2012 and he is in shambles because of how idiotic he is and how he tried to raise a ton of money for some unplanned garbage theoretical show. He used to make fine reviews, now he stopped all that to do a show that won’t turn out. It’s his fault he is where his is now
KillMeWithPotato MisterMetokur has a channel where the content is very hatred based, and the people he targets are usually insane and deserving, or at least scum bags in their own way. His philosophy is create chaos and watch the dumpster fire, he’s kind of in a different category than EmpLemon, whereas leafy made hate content out of ignorance and ego
I always tent to ignore the fandoms because of reason's like that, sure, it's the vocal minority that are the ones that often causes issues and hate, not the quiet majority who takes that fandom stuff only around appropriate situations. But still.
I've always hated that quote. It's often used by those who have forgotten how to forgive and forgive-ness is a very important part in just about every religion and a road to hell is only paved when you do something you believe is bad and is but is justified by whatever the outcome may be.
Another youtuber most people won't know was a terraria youtuber, he made a bunch of genuinely worrying tweets and videos making it seem he was in danger. He even set up an alarm thing where if something was to happen to his heart rate it would send out a tweet of the details or something like that. Codes were being tweeted by him and everyone was finding them to be severely worrying. The kill switch went off and it was tweeted out, people called the police and such to find him, they did as far as I'm aware, completely fine. He wanted to make an 'alternate reality arg' which involved him pretending he was in genuine danger that he had to set up kill switches and leave behind cryptic clues. This seems vaguely similar to this scenario, channel was dying so they try something drastic.
I know what he did seemed shallow, and it probably was . But I suppose there is the possibility that it was a poorly done cry for help. Maybe he actually is/was seriously depressed, and that was his way of telling people. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's just a crappy person. I dunno. I've struggled with mental health my whole life and suicide is kind of a personal topic to me. I just hope he's okay and that he learns that what he did wasn't right.
Even if he's innocent, he never listened to the people. He never changed. That's the one thing I find wrong about him. He was just too pretentious to realize that his content was bad.
Maybe if you actually gave constructive criticism instead of saying “normie reeeeee” or “you kill memes”, he could of tried to improve! Telling someone to delete their channel or the other quotes I stated above over a meme is not criticism at all! It’s just being an asshole! If you didn’t say any of that stuff to BTM at all, then good on you, but sadly, those kinds kinds of comments outweighed the people who actually tried to give constructive criticism! No, him faking depression was not okay, but don’t act like what the meme people did was much better! They harassed this guy and sent him death threats because apparently, “their memes were under attack” OH GOD, NO!!! Yet, they try to cover it up by saying that he should of listened to their “criticism” (emphasis on the word criticism for you know why), but that just makes them no different than BTM himself!
okay, what the fuck? how’d the hell did I not know about this? I hated Behind the meme before, but not with a burning passion. I didn’t think he was nieve, but after his RIP Robbie Rotten video, (RIP) I gainer s o m e respect for the guy. After these cryptic videos, I believe he’s someone who might want a fresh start so he tried to do something to raise mental health awareness or suicide awareness but obviously failed.
I feel like his last 5 videos reflect the channel. He commit suicide in the 5th video. His channel died after that. Perhaps he knew that his channel was about to die.
It is considered too late to be forgiven, nor forgotten, Emp. The damage is done, and you have no power to fix anymore.
It is like the monument of Ozymandias. You cannot make it up to me, nor anyone else like that broken statue; the monument of your sins.
The incident made you beyond redemption, as this can't be fixed anymore. You can avoid making the same mistakes to people who actually tried to explain the memes, but you can't fix the past that made permanent enemies.
Such is life. And life finds a way to come back to haunt you to your grave. This is coming from life experience.
Still not a fan of his content cause it feels like everything is spoonfed. I guess there is some truth to your point. However, the huge suicide thing is way too much for me as I suffer from severe depression. The suicide thing honestly made me not want to even look at him anymore. I just ignore him so whatever.
Seriously the guy probably made the last set of videos because he was confused by all the negative attention from his videos. I mean amateur videos explaining memes are not justifiable for what happened to him, and what would anyone do in a situation where you can't defend yourself for doing literally nothing? Look what it did to John Proctor for instance.
If you watch his latest video, you can see that this was all for 'raising suicide awareness'. I believe it's all a publicity stunt to jump-start his new channel.
Fake suicide he attempted but he realize that his earning revenue while this other youtubers doesnt believe Behind The Meme was the youtuber or memer to watch
As some who has had to stop a friend from killing themselves with a pipe-bomb. As a friend of some-one who has schizophrenia that brings him to suicidal urges at least 3 times a week. As a friend of someone who I had to inform had all the major symptoms of PTSD from his ex fiance raping him and that he needed to start seeing a therapist because each night he would wake up feeling like he was in a life or death situation because of what she did and how because of where he lived he wouldn't get a fair trial.
As a friend who has been the only thing stopping all these 3 separate people i've listed from taking their own life I think you need to move on and learn when to let go of the pain and learn when to forgive because he in all of his heart he just wanted to make things better for everyone but just made things worse for themselves and that is truly at the heart of what people experience when they take their own life if not wanting to feel pain anymore. If you really did lose someone that way you didn't learn what you should of from it. Be forgiving, please... it's just about the only way to make this world a bit better of a place that everyone can do.
Emotions don't equal logical thinking. Don't always let your emotions effect your judgement, in a situation like this, he tried to do something for genuine intent.
That's the worst thing I've ever heard. He should have never even thought about doing that. Suicide jokes are funny, but unironically faking a down word spiral ending with a fake gunshot is not ok, especially if he was doing that trying to "cause awareness"
I wanted to believe it was fake, but I couldn't shake the feeling that it was real. The thing that concerned me the most was that the videos were on auto upload so he could've been dead for a week by the time the last video was out. Of course I knew it was fake when he shot himself in the last video.
Even though he was faking it, he still made me feel bad. I felt guilty for the state he was in. All he wanted to do was make harmless meme videos for fun and we made fun of and bully him relentlessly. The videos humanized him and showed the harshness of the internet. Although annoying, he was always so positive in his videos and got a disproportionate amount of hate for what he did.
And bullying a man to suicide isn't what Stéfan would've wanted.
Knew the whole time you were acting like a great big chad. Lmao teenagers trying to defend themselves at school from being considered normies from watching Behind the Meme when your video blew up.
I think this whole behind the meme incident show how horrible the internet can be. Yes he did pretty clumsily make that series but like Emp said he did it with good intentions, the one of the things I've taken away from this video is that the internet is so used to seeing people make up identity's that are strictly on the internet and aren't good representations of how someone is, that if someone were to truly just be themselves on the internet that the internet would get confused and just kinda do this sort of shit because they think it's all an act. Maybe we should take this lesson and be more true to ourselves.
Honestly, this is a double-edged sword for me. On one side, I do feel bad for BTM. The amount of hate that this guy is getting is a bit too much. Sure, memes are an important factor to our lives. They can save lives, change history, and just be there to get an idea out in the fastest way possible. I know the guy's trying, it's just that he misunderstands his position in the memescape, as a teacher. Memes(at least the good ones) take time to make, research, and share, and I do believe that he could've had potential, only if he took the time to fully get the best research into the topic.
Now on the other side of the spectrum, I do feel like BTM is kind of being a pity bitch. Yes, I do get the fact that some people are more sensitive than others, but this is a fully grown adult, shown by him able to buy vodka. Surely, he should at least take in the criticism that was bought up in Emp's video on him. The main problem with BTM, is that he markets himself as the meme god that knows all, but when in reality, he barely knows about what the memes he reviews. All he does is read off an out-dated web-page and call's it a day. Hell, he barely gives any GOOD examples. Sure, I know what copyright is, but at least he should've asked some of the people who make the memes to borrow a clip from them as an example for the video. Looping back to Emp's video, where most of the hate came from, he mentions most of what I've typed here. What I typed is the MAIN problem with BTM, but watch the video for more information and to get what I'm saying. Otherwise, I'll leave you with this...
Dear BTM and his haters, there is no winner here. With you haters, all you do is spam BTM with misunderstood meaning based on Emp's video. You guy's over-did it. But it's just as bad for BTM to act in such an immature way, doing stuff for attention. There truly is no winner between BTM over the outsiders, both have lost to the ultimate fate, YouTube itself...
It isn't unlike an adult to get consumed with fame. However, "overcome with fame" is the least accurate description of BehindTheMeme there is. Sure, he was ignorant, but he has amazingly good intentions. Sure, he may come off as lazy, but what EmpLemon is trying to say is that he didn't do it on purpose like he originally thought.
Life these days is Scary, if u make a commentary video about someone , it can destroy someones livelihood and send some one into depression. But some one can fake depression and suicide just to get back at someone.its scary how a little video can cause something like this.your a good guy emp ur videos are just criticism ur not attacking someone.theres nothing wrong with that.behind the meme shouldve made a response ,about how he makes these videos for fun then saying you guys attacked him his sucess.
This really makes me upset. When people fake depression and suicide it makes me disgusted. As someone who constantly struggles with depression, this just.. I can't even explain how I feel about it. It insults people like me. I honestly don't care if it's "suicide awareness". You should state that before you do it. I still don't support him with this. Emp, I really do support your opinion on this, but I just don't think I can forgive BTM for this. It's difficult. Maybe one day I can but, for now, I really can't. I thank you for making this video though. I don't HATE BTM. I really just don't support his "awareness". I hope people can understand what I'm putting out here.
You got it all wrong man, it was a test seeing if anyone would respond, and people did. And I guess in the end some people like you felt betrayed by this and want to call him a phony for what he did, but in the end it's just them having a new reason to hate on BTM. In the end, this all actually happened to him except for the gunshot to the head and you pretty much have to understand the past to know why this was done. This is why hes innocent.
And PS, this is all coming from the guy who made a 40 mintue video of having a DOWNWARD SPIRAL, thats just being a normie man.
Just for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong
Honestly I don't think a naive idiot should be able to have influence over 800000 other naive little kids, especially when he's gonna do stuff like that, I don't feel sorry for him
oooooh emplemon... you know that most people you come to hate are exactly that? Fool with the heart at the right place? geee. Iunno what else to say but - try to be objective -
At the end of the day, remember you are responsible, you purposely created the video knowing your fanbase would attack BTM. I think some people fail to remember that behind a YouTube channel is a human being. I honestly hope you are happy with yourself, screw being the better person let’s just go after anyone we don’t like. Also don’t distract others by criticizing his obvious suicide joke, you and a bunch of other youtubers bullied a man into insanity. Have fun sleeping at night.
All things considered, how was emp supposed to know that? BTM looked like an average clickbaity cash grab channel that clearly didn’t know what they were talking about to everyone with half a brain back then. With this context now, sure it’s fucked up, but acting as if Emp is some all-knowing God that still attacked BTM while knowing that he was a genuine guy all along is just ignorant. Like you said, it’s important to remember that behind every YouTube channel is a human being, Emp is a human being too, he’s not exempt to mistakes.
@BilmoBlampkins I fail to see how any of this makes him a jerk, he manned up and admitted he was wrong, that’s the least jerky thing a person can do in a situation like this one was.
This kinda reminds me of that episode of family guy where peter is labeled as “Special” and does stupid things but gets away with them because he was stupid. God I hate Family Guy anyway, good video in all honesty, I always kind of had a feeling that Ky was a good guy behind his youtube persona.
The problem is that he doesn’t understand what he is doing. I don’t think BTM is aware that he just had people on his side for the first time and he fucked it all up
The utter arrogance of you, you can't even apologize, after all the grief you brought BTM you still think you have any right to judge him.. after all the hate you commanded you think you can just commend it to stop, it doesn't work like that, you can't even say you were wrong and say you're sorry.. smh
While he may be a guy who’s trying to make educational videos, he never really sought to change anything after being criticized, he never tried to change to become better, he had opportunities and never took them. He should’ve, instead of deciding to fake shoot himself, making people angry, decided to hold the gun, and then given the speech. Honestly, this was not well thought out on his part, and I feel he does deserve a heap of criticism.
That's true. I remember this being the reason why the tv show "The Monkees" was canceled in the 60s. The show became formulaic and the NBC executives were resistance to change the formula.
Honestly thought he was just a cringey person who made bad content until he released that video. Edit: Listened to the whole thing and I can see where your coming from. However he’s never really tooken any tips to improve his content which would’ve directly lead to more entertaining content for his fanbase.
They're shaking hands?, THEY'RE SHAKING HANDS!!!, EMP LEMON, HAS SOLD HIS SOUL!, to Behind The Meme!
still... did he actually wanted to help a community?, like, he wanted to introduce normies to memes, to help them fit (he did it in the worst way possible tough), and now, he wanted to support an ACTUAL cause?, this was a legit plot twist
as Emp said, the guy just wants to support people and help them on the wild internet world, he just doesn't seem to get it right
Don't feel bad. A lot of Clickbait Youtubers are turning around or killing their channels because of people like you. HeII I haven't had a CleanPrinceGaming or H3H3 in my recs for a month now. These guys aren't scum but the do know the con game and will do the least amount of work to pull money from people.
YouTube's algorithm and the shit excuses they make for demonetization, not giving us all notifications, allowing the exploitation and manipulation of the core audience, and not giving a damn about content creators that aren't cash cows, has really made this platform a cesspool of terrible YouTubers. Ricegum, the Paul brothers, and all the prepubescent hypebeasts that watch them are willing to shower down hateful, downright disrespectful comments on people that even dare criticize them. These people who watch Logan and Jake and Ricegum would support them no matter what shitty decisions and douchbaggery they commit, and in the end these youtubers don't learn a single thing, and go back to do more bad decisions, all for money. Nowadays, the really big Youtubers who aren't in it for money and attention are dwindling.
If you were one of those that bullied him, there really is something wrong with you if you think knowing some funny images makes you superior to others
All he did some shitty explanation copypasta videos from wikipedia and knowyourmeme Now people are treating him like he is the next logan paul or something
What doed he mean when he says BTMs videos are fake, the suicide prank was pretty wrong, but what about the others? Is emp reffering to the dark jokes BTM makes in his videos?
Riding on trends, being as least offensive as possible and and not using curse words are definitely things you do to pander the algorithm. Imo he has good intentions but money is still the thing that drives him.
@abandoned channel "it took me a year-and-a-half to realize that I was wrong" - EmpLemon's description. A year and a half after he slit the channel's throat
@abandoned channel Yeah it is crap content, but I was just saying that he's basically apologizing to a channel that is long gone, so it is kinda useless now.
@XITCIX just because he isn't working on his dead channel doesn't mean he wont come back at some point in time it's his choice if he does it's most likely in a different channel you really shouldn't look at channels like a living thing it's not.You can make another channel for video editing as long as you have the tools and know how he ain't gone.
@abandoned channel Dude I don't even know what you are trying to argue about. If anybody is being confusing it is you. I said the channel is dead, you said he might come back as if I disagreed with that. Perhaps you are just too old to remember anything or understand argument structure.
@XITCIX ya sure buddy like my age matters at all when it comes to argument structure when most dont give a single damn about argument structure to begin with. Talk about that subject in school or college buddy its the internet not English class.
@abandoned channel Yet another stupid point. I can't understand anything you are trying to convey? How am gonna have an internet argument if the opposing member can't even argue?
I mean the guy tried bringing the history of memes for us historical lore/history nerds and to normies in a easily digestible way. I'm not saying he didn't deserve criticism..... but yeah the guy screwed up royally.
Daily dose of internet actually makes good content thought, he puts something in the title, you enter the video and the first clip is the thing from the title and then you are free to leave or continue to watch the video.
I just wanna know you btm cycle in a reply idk why just do it but anyway here’s mine
Like btm-emp shows me some criticism for btm- I hate btm- emu post a video redeeming btm- I like btm as a happy person that trys to help those that don’t know and is criticized for doing something that he thought he was expanding. And also doesn’t try to do things for views and money.
I mean if it wasn’t fake and he died you’d be up shit creek without a paddle. I think the message here is that online harassment isn’t cool and fucking with them because they ruin memes to the point they get depressed isn’t cool either. Plus if he did kill himself you’d be found undoubtedly, unavoidably guilty and charged for online harassment. Up shit creek without a paddle. :/
I’m saying this because you don’t really seem to get the message that you can literally be convicted and held responsible if you push someone to kill them self. Not sure if you were aware of how the law works, but you can’t really plead innocent especially when you acknowledge the fact you inspired so much shit against some dude who just wanted to make videos. That’s a guilty plea right there and easily a decade in federal prison. I think that’s the point of BTM’s recent videos is to acknowledge that actions have consequences.
Seriously? Yea sure you might be Right......but he very easily could have just put up a video showing his support for people with depression. At what point would you think doing anything else is better.
that's his main point (also hello from the future) BTM was so innocent, ignorant and lacked so much self-awareness that he genuinely thought that series of videos were for a noble cause and expected no backlash despite the obvious signs of it.
This kinda reminds me of chris chan,but BTM isnt autistic and he actually got an apology. He was just trying to do something his way just to be misunderstood by everyone else. I do think his format doesnt fit the culture, but he was.doing what he thought was right
Hello internet and welcome to behind the meme and today we will be looking at behind the meme ok so I’ve seen a bunch of you recommending this in the comments...
kinda sad that 95% of the top comments rn are people who commented on the video a few minutes after it came out without actually watching it or giving it a chance
Grant Mitchell at the time of posting this (which was about an hour or two after the video was posted) most of the top comments in the comments section had been posted within minutes of it coming out. it wasn’t a good place to be at that time.
I never disliked Behind-the-meme. He isn't particularly charismatic on entertaining, but he just does what he does... why does he get so much hate for that? After watching your other video, I finally understood the hatred and it is sad how memes are being murdered in milliseconds nowadays. I don't think Behind-the-meme deserves hate though; he didn't know what he was doing, he just likes being able to make videos and share interests. Yes, he is lacking in a lot of knowledge, skill and showmanship, but there are many people like that on the internet.
No the video was made to show others what there hate and cruelty put him through he is showing what else could of happened if they did this to other people.
I feel like history is repeating itself somehow. Emplemon makes a video ripping on BTM, then his fans maliciously attack him, causing btm to essentially disappear and then make some disturbing and concerning videos. Then Emplemon makes a video addressing the situation. Hmmm. That kinda reminds me of the time that Leafy ripped on Tommy C in a video that caused Leafy’s fans to maliciously attack him, causing him to make an emotionally distressed video about the threats he’s receiving. Leafy then makes a video addressing the situation. Hmmm, it also reminds me when Emplemon compared his similarities to Leafy. Hmmmmmm...
OwO 🅱️ and yeah I agree. And I saw them all. Also the first video I thought was real because he was just sitting down talking. But by the second I realized it was fake.
Little did you know that behindthememe has manipulated your feelings and this was his plan all along to garner more traffic to his channel and some positive rep from someone of your high position in the meme community.
There is NO defending someone who fakes suicide notes and a suicide "scene" or whatever you want to call that sick idea he put into action, purely for views and attention before he leaves his dying channel.
A year ago he got a lot of heat for monetizing his tribute video to Stéfan Karl Stefánsson. I know this guy is stupid but I find it really hard to believe that he'd make that kind of mistake again all because of stupidity. No, there's definitely greed involved.
BTM was a good guy. not a good good one but a bad good one. the one that does good but is bad at it. luckily there is one thing he's good at. we need him to make one last meme video... bowsette needs to be dead, as dead as btm would've been if it wasn't staged.
This guy doesn't deserve hate. No one does. And this is a wimpy fart near the rest of the elsa-gating, obnoxious, 30-minute long bull diarrhea we put up with on youtube daily. BTM only got away with the mediocre meme descriptions so far because the audience AND youtube's reccomendation have standards that low.
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Not only was this a shitty thing to do to BTM's fans, but it actively hurts his cause. If anything, people are going to take suicide less seriously when they see a guy outright lie and joke about it.
Hugh Mungus everything you just said makes it sounds so pathetic which makes me wonder do you have any actual friends anybody that you focus on besides people like me?🤔
Free HD McGee 😂😂you think Im one of the “pre-teens” that’s a killer I’m just stating what I think is good for his channel don’t get butt hurt cuz I made a opinion that could make his channel grow don’t like it tough shit then
Is that really a bad thing though? I thought his youtube geographic series was going pretty well. Besides, we got new and great poopers comming out of the woodwork.
Paxton Fairbanks no no I get that but come on don’t u want a day to come home from a stressful day and laugh it off with a good ytp especially from a long time pooper he should be a big shot rn be honest tho the whole meme thing he does I get it but if u want to look up the meme and where it came from just google it at the point emplemon is doing some not-so-interesting content any more but that’s just me
PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming that’s his choice he chose to not take a successful path and make everyone’s day instead he’s doing content that probably half of his views click off a few secs later cuz it’s not interesting but I could be wrong
If he wanted to make suicide awareness he could of shown or portrayed receiving help and make prevention aware. Not this stupid edgy shit. His channel has been getting traffic because of it.
I don't really give a shit what other people say/do to him. I don't like him, but I don't bully/attack him either. I just hate him because his content is the epitome of un-researched shit content that targets the lowest common denominator. If someone else wants to bully him that is none of my business and he should handle it himself. Instead we get what was his main attacker defending him because he thinks it's more incompetence than malice. All the more reason to dislike him imo.
Well his series is anti bully series it’s trying to tell people how words can effect people and all of you don’t understand what’s the series trying to do and people needs to use your brain what’s the story trying to do is to stop bullying and making hate comments
He's never despised or hated behind the meme, and he likely still believes his content is mediocre. But that doesn't matter, you can dislike a person's work without hating the person, which is what he does.
even though i despised the “what happened to behind the meme” video i do agree with you. he was just a person trying to make people happy and informed but didn’t know how, and we hated him for that. im not saying i like kyle’s videos but he is human and we weren’t aware of his intentions at the time
Well, I really feel bad now. I always hated Behind The Meme, but now that I watched this video, made by someone like you, I actually understand. You did a good thing whenmaking this video. You had the power to makethe hate even worse, but did the opposite. And that really gives me faith
I still think it was kinda scummy for him to fake suicide, even with otherwise good intentions, but props for being the bigger man and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
After seeing your spongebob video i thought, "damn emp seems a bit more wholesome and nicer." And after watching this, i feel like that's true. Real proud of what you're doing emp
I think when we are found in a situation, we should look at all points of view in that situation before we act so that we can find the best outcome or at least a better one.
It's nice to see that the man behind the poops and the bitter vitriol for all of the things on this site...is an actual human who still has empathy and humanity, and holds faith in this ungodly insane human race. Props to you, bud. ♥
Right or wrong aside, this is the most empathetic and humble you've ever come off as and I'm really impressed. I'm nobody special but I just wanted to tell you, it's refreshing to get a glimpse of the person behind the mask once in a while. Thanks👍.
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Larry Sucks2018-09-30 04:40:23 (edited 2018-09-30 04:41:14 )
I've always been indifferent to btm, and the fact that he did something like that just causes me to shake my head. But unlike jake paul It seems like he might have had legitimately good intentions. But you know what they say: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm still indifferent towards him, but it's safe to assume that his reputation has been severely damaged by this, and the only cure is time.
Wow. Like seriously. When I first encountered your video on BTM (and in some ways fully engage with your channel besides YTPs) it was pretty saddening to know at first that the person I like to watch is actually, to put it lightly, not very good. Like I was one of the last few who decide to stick up to BTM (crazy I know) until the Crash Bandicoot meme video was released, which somehow made me unsubscribe. Looking back, I never felt that he was pandering (although his Draw My Life vid may come up that way idk). Sure, he did the whole "like and subscribe" thing and had a formula that was too repetitive, but otherwise the worst thing that he has done is not listen or apply said criticism to his videos, which applies to many of us even (personally even I get agitated when someone does not like something). Despite unsubbing to BTM, I still felt that the hate thrown at him was absurd. Like I felt kind of bad that some dude who doesn't have much nuanced understanding for a medium (in this case memes) would get hate to the point of doxxing. I don't think George Lucas (post-prequel pre-sequel era) or even Leafy in a way had many people riled up to this extent (probably the doxxing thing made me more sympathetic). So, yeah this just felt more of a personal comment than the usual I put out on, even if it is just some YouTube channel. And just to wrap things up, if memory serves me correct, I remember that his Draw My Life video or at least one of his other videos mentioning that he wanted to do other content different than the meme videos he usually makes. Maybe the recent videos were one of his plans. Personally if he had done so a little sooner, maybe he could have a fresh start in his internet career as a whole. It would be interesting to see what BTM would experiment with, but alas we may never know. Maybe he could be made fun by the commentary community like the Paul brothers or maybe he could become well respected in some other area like reviews or perhaps other forms of content. I guess he felt that doing other things would make him more of a mockery than he already was, thus his hesitation to do so until recently. At the end of the day, this is just my two cents in this whole situation regarding BTM and my personal history with the drama. Its quite long and you might even disagree with what I did in some instances, but really we all will live on with some regret, whether we notice it or not. So here's to a brighter future for all involved, I guess. This comment is probably too optimistic and pandering for this video and the channel, but yeah that's all I want to write before this gets too long.
Part of me says that you're only saying this NOW, after getting the satisfaction of obliterating him, you feel bad. However on the other side I do understand what you mean, but the problem is that he never took constructive criticism and tried to improve his channel. I don't know..... to be honest I don't know. He's history if you ask me.
His videos were bad, there was a lot of room to improve, and his content sometimes had a bizarre aura of disingenouity, but he never striked me as a bad person. I always felt like he was getting to much shit for just being a normie. (I still hate that awful video TripleQ made mocking him) But alas, he metaphorically killed himself, so now it is time to apologize, just like when someone literally dies. Well, at least you have the guts to apologize for the things that you did and consider as wrong.
I'm not gonna go shit on this guy's channel; I still think what he did was in an utmost disregard for the respect of others, and, need I say, an utmost disregard for his own credibility. I simply have difficulty sympathizing with this man at this point, even if his intentions weren't in a place of immorality.
We should help the guy out. He only normified others because he didn't know any other way. Let's teach him how to meme properly. Maybe then, an age of outsiders can return.
I can't decide if BTM's "PC Edit" makes me agree or disagree with Emp. It's such a trite thing to cry political correctness when people are actually pissed at something.
I don't get why people have to do cryptic videos that are "about" suicide awareness where they do things that are misinterpreted very easily. How hard is it to sit down, set up a camera and just talk about it.
You've gone soft on us, Emp. lol But no really, I wasn't even on the hate BehindTheMeme bandwagon (nor did I like him) but even if BTM is a clueless dope with a good heart, I'm not happy with what he did. He's an adult, he should know better than to do this. The only thing this is gonna bring awareness to, is him and he knew that, clueless or not, he knew in the back of his mind.
He had a lot of people worried about his well being just for some regurgitated PSA bullshit on what people say on the internet can effect others and about changing his channel and what he does on it. I feel as though the SuICidE aWaREneSs was just tacked on at the end, because of the subject matter, whether that's the case or not, will not change my mind. If you want to talk about suicide, TALK ABOUT IT; you don't need to manipulate people to draw attention to such a serious subject, especially now that everyone and grandmothers pet cat is such an "expert" on mental illness. We don't need to hate on him but, let him know, this is not ok.
Do I think he meant to be scummy like this? Should he get a free pass cause of that? \ / No.
i dont really sympathise with him even after watching him to be honest. like what still puts me off is the way he took criticism, calling everyone haters, the video on anthony fantano etc. it seems to me more that he did make videos for people to enjoy, but if they didn't instead of him trying to get better he just defined it all as hate towards poor him
5:18 Who can blame you for feeling that way, we've all seen it before, there are scummy youtubers out there. Content Cop helped us to see that. Are all youtubers like that? All I can say is I'm not sure.
Like do people not even look up his history on the internet and get enough information to know that this is how behind the meme works? Well whatever the internet for the most part just don't seem to think ahead.
I would so far agree with you, BTM definitely did fuck up his attempt to "raise awareness". Hind site is 20/20, and we can all look at the BTM videos were fake now. I had always somewhat defended BTM, even as his part 5 was uploaded. I just considered him to be extremely misguided, and not very bright. I thought that his content, while not very good, was technically harmless.
Behind the Meme, while making bad content, made "genuine" content. He seems like he has potential in acting, so I hope that Kyle sheds his BTM shell and becomes successful doing something else. Something that helps the guy grow his talents, and something that won't piss of the maymay community.
I just say one thing that I don't "think" you covered (keeping in mind that I am quite clueless and miss shit easily), and that's his final video. His final video, that I think does a better job raising awareness than the 1-5 series. Maybe you'd already made this by the time it came out. But yeah, in it he does apologise for making people worried, explains that it was intended to raise awareness and not gain sympathy points. I would also say that it's irrelevant to your point that the guy just isn't very bright.
Godspeed you magnificent bastard, Kyle. And Godspeed Behind the Meme, you were always behind on the memes.
As misguided as this guy might have been I don't think that he deserves the shit that he got and is getting. As he said we're all people, and no one deserves this over fucking memes of all things.
Maybe I'm foolish Maybe I'm blind Thinking I can see through this And see what's behind Got no way to prove it So maybe I'm blind But I'm only human after all I'm only human after all Don't put your blame on me Don't put your blame on me
I always felt somewhat bad for him cause he was just doing his thing. He got way too over his head. He made enemies with many people. Only to not know how to handle it and fight it other than learning from it. Now this stuff. I would just think he wants to reach his former glory and legit feels very bad about the past (which is rare). So he wants to go to alternatives to appeal to people. So i dunno. I just stopped watching his stuff a year or 2 back. Only time will tell what he do now.
Memes n Shet2018-09-30 06:51:21 (edited 2018-09-30 06:54:23 )
I didnt realised that you were so cynical mostly because you thought that he was being disingenuous from the beginning(besides of the poor quality of his content).
From the way that he behaved nothing ever made me think that he was being a manipulator,he is just a genuine guy.
Its cool that you are doing this,specially having this much influence over “his haters”(at least I didn’t see many comments disagreeing with you).
"And lo, such was the God King's might, such was his just heart, that in the ultimate moment of victory over his most hated enemy, formed exactly as he saw fit, he withheld his blade and offered instead a hand of mercy."
Speaking of depression.... What's with all of these big name youtubers making videos about them being depressed whilst shilling out a bogus depression treatment service?
emp, it would be cool if you did a series called "Emplemon: Youtuber Philanthropist", where you would interview and give advice to YouTubers that are struggling to get them and their channel back on their feet, like a reverse content cop. Who knows? Maybe you could have Leafy himself on the show.
I just can't bring myself to believe that he had no idea whatsoever that he'd make people angry with this completely tactless stunt. I honestly think he wanted to stir the shit. No such thing as bad publicity, after all. Same shit scumbags like Onision and Logan Paul do all the time. As someone who's not only been suicidal, but has had people pretend to be suicidal to me for the sake of "JUST A PRANK BRO," I can't let his shit slide. He made his bed.
Honestly I don't why someone would make multiple cryptic videos and end those videos off with a youtuber faking themselves dying. Of course they're gonna make their fans extremely worried and end up with major backlash from people. Even if they did it to try and send a message there are many other options for a topic like suicide awareness.
Showing that having depression gets you attention like this is harming to people like me. My Depression is the least of my problems. He sounds like an immature person. Hope he doesn't get too much shit.
I’m just kinda confused by this whole situation and I don’t understand how it got to this point. Like his fans are defending him to some crazy degree where I saw someone in his comments claim people were criticizing him because they were ‘reflecting themselves’ and made the dumb ‘they’re just jealous and insecure’ excuse. They think he’s helping people somehow and it’s just odd to me. Btm doesn’t help people, he just made awful videos and never improved his editing style. How did this person get such defensive fans or is he deleting comments again?? I really don’t understand this
Idk, I can feel bad for the guy and what he went through, but a lot of the stuff he said was just kinda dumb. Most people that shit over him didn’t want him to kill himself, they wanted him to stop ripping out videos from KnowYourMeme and make better content.
If you want to spread suicide awareness, talk about your experiences or have other talk on their experiences and offer ways of help or coping mechanisms. Not this attention grabbing bs, it's horribly disingenuous
First off I feel like you were paid to say all of this because honestly seems kind of odd how you say nobody helped him and the fact he was in contact with members of the meme community because if you put logical events in order he was killing memes and he did it just to prove that he can and that he should ruin the fun of the internet. Thing is he is doing fine off his second account, Daily dose of Internet. He is making bank I knew he would fake the suicide for views that was his middle finger to his own fanbase. the fact you defend him even when he has a Jake Paul format of fucked up videos seems like you had to have been paid. And I know damn well you aren't one to talk of being humane enough to see his side of things because as far as I can see he is doing just dandy with the income he gets off his second account. Anyone that kills fun intentionally will eventually get stopped. End of story unless you are getting paid large amounts of money then keep it alive.
I think there should be an epilepsy warning. This video tackles a very serious issue, and with a serious tone. Something I don’t get is how you can make a serious video on spongebob.
Its nice your trying to help him, but i fear it wont work since no one likes positive. Though id like to be proven wrong, reply (if you even remember ) that this got more views then your rant vid, or dont
Even if he did have good intentions, but he should have thought about how people would have reacted to the videos in the end. You don't fuck around with suicide like that. You don't fuck around with shootings like that. A joke here or there is fine, but a full on series that actually made people think he was going off the rails is not okay. Ruining meme culture is one thing, but this is a whole other level. I don't hate him with a seething rage, but I completely understand why others do.
greenXeagle there is a reason to hold back the hatred. The level of hate this guy is getting makes you think he committed murder or something. Its completely uncalled for. He deserves hate, but not on such a level that we see.
Eh my friends fake suicide all the time, except when they dont and i forgot who they are because they change their username to a bunch of random characters and make their pfp black
Its funny how the only guy on Youtube who only had good intentions, who didnt make videos for attention and money, and had a genuine innocent and kind hearted soul is the most hated and malined person on the internet. My god...
Choo ohhh there are some pretty hated people on the internet, Behind the Meme gets more hate then he deserves, sure, but have you heard of the Paul brothers?
@ivanmegafanboy Yeah, I was thinking the same every time someone mentioned that. At least BTM didn't start screeching about how "haters" are coming after him.
@Lisa M Yes, if you don't want to obligue to every piece of critiscism you get, construcive or destructive, that is not inherently bad, and bringing that as a flaw can feel very tacky.
@ivanmegafanboy The more I think about it, the more I think that he may have started these videos as a way to try and understand internet culture. He sees a popular meme on 4chan, and in an attempt to understand it, he does research on it, then makes the video in an attempt to help others get it as well, let them "be in on the joke". Everyone learns things in a different way, maybe this was his. Maybe he did try the suggestions he got and found that it didn't work for him as well as his way did. This is all speculation of course, but it's something to consider, at least.
While I agree that his suicide video was in poor taste, he wasn't trying to push merch and views like a certain idiot that many more have mentioned already. Coming from someone that has attempted suicide in the past, I still didn't see this as a reason to hate on the guy. As horrible as it was, I didn't get the impression that it was done with malice. To be fair, he's FAR from the first person to do this. There are countless shorts that do almost the exact same thing. The difference is that BTM failed to mention that this was all fictional.
Well fair enough but he did make it out as Emplemon endorsed him being doxxed. I still dislike him but I'll choose to simply distance myself from his channel.
When did youtube stop being youtube, for example youtube gaming, youtube kids, youtube whatever I mean what's wrong with normal youtube. Another one I could think of is the new premium subscription feature aka the "join" button again what's wrong with the normal subscriptions, the live streaming is another one I could think of, it's not twitch but sure is trying to be twitch and the emotes that comes with it. I guess I could chalked it up as business is money and money is business. Youtube is trying to become something else like many software applications I know.
I don't think you should say thing's like that you have been making memes for year's and behind the meme can't just pop up make these really below average videos and get 798k subs with no consequences that's not fair his channel needs to die
Actually I did a bombing campaign against him and now that u said about him I feel a little bit sad for him and I am not saying that for attention I just Honestly think that those vids are insulting to people who are actually suffering well now I guess he is just naive person and now I feel sad
@Under Story Main channel if you were to give a speech about how bad this YouTuber was. After that speech I murder him, then claimed I did it because of your speech. That does not make you responsible for his death.
@Under Story Main channel the difference from my analogy and real life is I replaced (doxxing and threats) with murder. I also replaced the people in the story with us.
@Rancid and it's still a horrible analogy since we'll just look at cancel culture. One guys says (insert person here) is bad so everyone just goes with him and harrased that guy even if he may not be bad. Secondly hitler inspired the nazis to commit the holocaust and made people become nazis. He was very responsible for their change. He however didn't make their decision,they did. But it's still Hitler's fault for causing that change in them
@Under Story Main channel no Hitler directly told his followers to raid Jewish business (just one example). And no main stream person told there viewers to harass BTM.
Intent doesn't mean shit. If you fake your own suicide you're a shitty person. In the back of his mind he had to have thought that this would get him positive feedback and subscribers. Even if it wasn't the main motivation, at least part of the reason he pretend killed himself was for attention.
I guess thats what happens when u get so much hate to the fact that ur having to fake suicide. Its the community's fault for hating him on memes. You guys doxxed him. How do u think he feels. You guys seriously fucked him up. Yeah u DID LITERALLY RUIN BTM. WTH IS WRONG WITH UR TITLE. IS DEFENSE HUH? I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS
Edit : just thought of the things he could've done instead of fake suicide. I don't think he deserved all the hate. His vids were kinda bland and his voice was unreasonably optimistic sure, but I don't think he really deserved to be doxxed because of memes. But the hate after his fake suicide was kinda deserved. Soo now Im kinda happy of this vid.
This definitely does put out a different perspective on the entire controversy surrounding BTM, and it's probably true that BTM's true intentions aren't as scummy as some people seem to think they are. I think the best approach is to give a decent amount of thoughts to both ends of this spectrum. Yes, his content is bad, and even spreads misinformation at times, but behind every internet persona is a real person. Just because they put out a bad image doesn't mean they ever had the intention doing any harm, that's just not how the majority of people are. And I don't think enough people take that into consideration. The same can be applied to many people with large hate following, honestly. Thank you for putting out this video. I hope it can get the message through to people with a mindset only set on vilifying people they dislike.
Not only he did that to spread a suicide message but also he did that to tell us that Behind The Meme is "dead," but Kyle Bryce (Who is behind that channel) isn't dead.
For a while I wasn't sure what kind of person you were, Emp, but after hearing the way you handled this incident, I genuinely believe you're a good person and you've won my respect
I always try to remove the crime from the intent. He made some incredibly incompetent meta videos. He blurred the line between his fictional storyline of a suicidal btm, and what his audience perceives as reality. That’s the crime. I don’t hate him for it, but this is on no one’s shoulders other than his own. He dug his own grave.
Good on ya Emp for making this video when you by all means didn't have to. It shows that you really are a critical guy, to others and yourself. You always see apology videos when someone is caught out doing something wrong but this kind of discussion video about the possibility of being wrong is in my opinion the real deal. Having that discussion about the different factors at play and acknowledging how things may in fact be different/wrong takes some serious balls, so kudos to you.
I've been getting sick of all these commentary youtubers just blindly hating everything so it's good to see one who doesn't think everyone is evil incarnate.
I can't hear EmpLemon seriously say "enough is enough" without grinning at the thought of Samuel Fucking Jackson yelling the phrase. Thanks a lot, LemonBoi!
I remember something about the series of videos that BTM was releasing individually that made me somewhat ashamed of myself for carrying such hatred towards him. As I watched his 2nd video, I noticed the wall of people he really was into at the time and noticed people like Mick Jagger, Paul Rubens (Peewee Herman) and John Mayer and it was that moment when I realized that BTM sounded like a cool guy to hang around and then a wave of shame and anger towards myself for hating him for a whole year. Personally I feel sorry for BTM and he has earned my subscription. Thank you Emp
Apart from only a few YouTubers (you can most likely make a few) everyone on this site is human, and makes mistakes, and makes bad decisions. Sure, what he did is wrong, but hey, he can always improve. And just a reminder, don't hate the YouTuber, just dislike the content that they make.
Just for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong
I'd have to agree with you, honestly, I'm surprised you made a video about him again, considering you did state you didn't want to talk about it anymore.
It is interesting you pointed out that he never shilled like other youtubers. Never really thought about that, sure, his content is mediocre, but it is an honest mediocrity.
Emplemon probably feels horibble, I know I would. I'm glad emplemon is mature enough to admit that he could have done something wrong, instead of lying to himself that he is the superior man, but I dont know if any of the damage to behind the meme can be reversed
behind the meme reminds me a lot of all those click baiting channels I honestly don't think any of them know what they are doing is wrong or scummy and honestly think they are trying to help people
I don't know whether BTM is seeking attention or one of the best trolls ever concieved. He made an entire channel off of explaining shitty memes with shitty gifs. He pissed off 4chan and pissed off his entire audience and some other people. I honestly don't know.
this feels like the biggest anime plot twist, it's like zuko switching sides to help anng, just woah!!?!!? like you had the chance to shit on him even harder but you chose mercy instead of kill
This was a good video with a good message. But have you considered the possibility that Behind the Meme might actually be a disingenuous scumbag and ended up fooling you after all? I’m not condoning any hate against him nor am I denying that you are most likely correct; just proposing the possibility that you may be wrong about him.
You are basically explaining my views on Sargon. Always thought the guy was a good intention ed idiot. Now people are catching on and I actually find myself defending him. yes... He is an idiot.. be hes not out for money. He is just a loud mouth with no sense of humor and a golden heart. Also... easily offended like most people. But its not intentional!
so we have to leave behind behind the meme, sorry but in all seriousness this was genuinely heartwarming to see, the idea behind the meme might just be a fool making content because of he genuinely enjoys it was always something in my mind,after all theres 7 billion people on earth,
I think Hanlon's Razor applies a whole fucking lot here:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
You, either really have to have no idea of what your actions will do to the people surrounding you, or be genuinely malicious to do them in the first place.
How could you guys think this is fake he may have faked the suicide but these are obviously a memoir to his life he went on a hiatus for a month comes back and does this shit he obviously started out as a cry to help and expected more hate he came to find out they people actually tried to help him and that was new to him so he got what he needed and ended it with a fake message so instead of hating the guy we should genuinely show or support or he will just continue on a dark slimy path that may lead to suicide
He could've made it a lot more meaningful in the end. The fact he fakes the suicide is obviously bad, but he could've handled it in a way that didn't seem so mocking. Literally, imagine how people who have dealt with suicide attempts or thoughts must feel. Hell, we don't need to imagine, they've already spoke their mind about it.
I appreciate that he put those hotlines at the end of the video, and I doubt he truly intended to make these feel so insulting, but he should've put more thought into it.
In Honesty BTM is just a guy who found a hobby and he eventually became popular and he just tried to go through with it, overall he's just a guy doing what he enjoys. Although he may have done some dumb things, but we never know the true intention of why he did it
Just for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong.
I'm not gonna lie, Behind the Meme clearly didn't put enough effort into the memes. He was dollar general level of effort. I feel though that this was a little too far. I only hate him because of his shitty meme analysis, not because of this. This is something else, but it may have just been a mistake
Man, this is why I never truly hate anyone. Everyone at their core is really just a person and everything is more nuanced than people present. So many things aim to dehumanize people so that you can hate them, but who does it help?
"Well, That's the problem with life, right? Either you know what you want, and then you don't get what you want. Or you get what you want, and don't know what you want."
Everyone’s stroking Lemon off, but I feel like this was just an opportunity to call him stupid and act like the good guy. I love your videos, and I dislike behind the meme’s, and I sort of agree with you, I suppose. I feel like he’s more the kind of person who has no media literacy and catches trends too late, I don’t think he’s stupid, he probably just got exposed to too many of one thing without understanding why it existed, so it was using a money-grubbing format minus the money-grubbing. I’m tired, but I feel like this video could have been far better executed, or even in more of a discussionary format in community or something. That’s just my opinion, though.
I am sorry, Emp, but I can't agree with this. Behind The Meme had the videos monetized, he knew he was making money off the videos. He was well aware of what his intentions were.
We fabaceous lemon worshipers definitely sensed that something snapped in BehindTheMeme, so much that we knew thar his DOWNWRD SPIRAL was enevitable all along.
Just for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong.
Im not even a young child but I fucking jumped when he uploaded the fake suicide and felt scared, I never liked him but when he started making these, I felt genuine concern. I really want him to have a new start
I actually used to be an Ex-fan of BTM. I just got bored of his format and realized it wasn't too funny or that interesting. I just left because his vid on the day 4/20 kinda sucked to me. Myself seeing that video suck made me realize his channel had nothing really interesting so I unsubbed from him not because he did anything wrong more because I "grew out" of it.
Hearing about him do such a thing to raise suicide awareness is dumb, but I get what he was going for. I actually think now he was trying to spread a positive message with poor execution because of this video. At first I thought he was just manipulating people for attention, but you might have a point. He never really seemed to be a bad YouTuber personality just an average one. Just one normal guy who tried to make people laugh with his vids. I will say his hate was unwarranted back then. Now the hate is warranted, but what's the point? He is just some dude who messed up. Logan Paul and his team thought it was appropriate to film a body with ads. BTM made a poorly executed skit using his unique position on how he gets hate to raise awareness for suicide for others who might be in a similar position. Before that he was just some mofo reviewing memes.
To be honest his channel and the depression series kind of reminded me of a horror creepypasta. I mean think of it YouTuber that makes meme videos downward spirals in till he commits suicide. I mean looking at it now as a complete series it almost reminded me of local 58.
To be honest nobody should be making fun of a person who makes mediocre content. I mean he never manipulated the system like other channels. But let's be honest he would have never had to made that video if many people including you Didn't bash on him in the first place.
Yeah that fake video was distasteful but the masses led him to it. I'm not supporting nor defending but here's the point.
You both are wrong. Nobody should be making fun of someone's work nor should you fake a death.
I now this guy thats called JayRob on deviant art and he always makes splatoon/undertale fan fictions. He would always make posts about how sad and depressed he is because of all the hate he is getting for stuff he created. He's done about 3 "attempts" of suicide and the first one kind of really made me scared but as soon as i saw a couple of other posts about jayrob posting that he is hanging himself before the first attempt happened i knew immediately it was fake. He's does these so he can get attention all to him while at the same time making his situation even worse. On top of that he will always try to tell people that he has had the worst life known to man because a car blew up his entire family and he had somehow survived. And Honestly if you take a look at his profile and see what he has posted all of it is pretty weird and almost all of it is perverted.
His first account (the one that first encountered) has been long sense deleted. But i do know a guy on discord that follows jay and all of his antics.
Sooooooooo... I short, BTM is a guy who do everything on his own way and give his contributions to the comunnity... But man, unfortunally this was done NOT on the good manner (including his recent videos) and also trust me Emp, I doubt it was you who started all the hate. I mean, look at this: nowadays is very common to see this kind of channels here on YT (like Bright Side, etc...) so was unfortunally inevitable for all the people here on YT (including you) to though his channel is one of thoose "kind of" channels.
So, conclusion: don't hate BTM, simply just learn about all of this: if you (whoever who gonna see this comment) want to launch a YT channel or give your contributions to the comunnity, MAKE SURE you research how the content of the comnunnity is AT THE MOMENT, for not being mislead as thoose "kind of" channels in the future.
Most suicidal persons don't show any clear signs of wanting to commit suicide, though the ones that explicitly act suicidal usually just want attention -not just in a selfish manner, but for help. I stopped watching him after the 2016 election as he seemed to be using more Social Justice rhetoric in his vids, but I still would wish him no ill will, but to reflect on what he is doing and see if his messaging is appropriate. It actually seems like he glamorized suicide and it would have been better to just make a regular PSA video about suicide and services a person feeling suicide could get - it may seem cliche, but it really is the only appropriate way of going about such a sensitive topic.
Nooooooooo poor behind the meme, this poor guy :( I feel so bad :( nooooo :((((((((( I love you behind the meme <3 I’m gonna give you so much as revenue
People stick to hate youtube accounts instead of making better content instead. In a way, mob mentality is also a reason Youtube is not great, and it down punch any small youtuber if someone makes a viral video, we exploit drama and smear names but it never moves forward or even makes a change, instead we stick in the drama. It's new but it doesn't change really until the next thing happens because it doesnt fix it.
And yet at no point during these 7 boring minutes do you utter the words "I'm sorry". Pretty ironic given that you made a commentary about cancel culture in the Simpsons and the main culprit giving a half-assed excuse. And I love the fact that you did not delete the BTM video.
Oh wait so he's a normie that's not a shill? And I'm supposed to feel bad for him? Sorry Emp, but I'm still gonna shit on him for putting low effort content like I do with any other person who does that. He may have good intentions, but that shouldn't justify his previous actions. And regarding his most current series of videos: I could genuinely care less if you didn't mention it, no strong feelings either way really. I mean at least he's trying something different. I don't know why so many people are triggered, like suicide is bad ass.
Jesus Christ both of your comments are wowzers. I understand your points but hating on him for his content style is just petty. Also judging his fanbase and accusing them of also supporting school shooters is just stupid. That’s going a bit far.
"that's going a bit far" oh shit he said we're going a bit too far. We better stop or we're gonna hurt his feelings more. And we don't want any hurt feelings on the internet, people might become sad in real life. Better ask Youtube to censor comments now to appeal to more companies who want to put ads. "wowzers" holy shit, the only thing I can respond with is: AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, OK SWEETIE, I'MA HAVE TO STOP YOU THERE HONEY.
protolan han that is going a bit too far tbh. I (just like every man and their dog) attacked btm and even did a video on him. Come to think of it, his videos didnt deserve so much flak. The man didnt attack a community. Only defended himself. Defended himself because he was making content he wanted to do. Now tbf the response to Anthony Melonthano was cringy. However, people dont make mistakes do they?
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Julia Gloria2018-09-30 16:33:24 (edited 2018-09-30 16:34:09 )
People who don't find a dichitomy between creator and their content shouldn't be critics.
If you only see him as a degrading content producer affecting the culture that is so "niche", then you won't be able to see how external effects affect the content he produces. The content he produces doesn't exist in a vacuum.
If you only see him as a nice guy who did nothing wrong, then you won't see that he is spreading a culture that is misrepresented and is getting famous over shitty content.
In an ideal world, the critics should make it clear they find this distinction, but nowadays everyone is cynical, right? No one can have the benefit of the doubt because Youtubers are secretive monopolized two-faced media generators that don't have any idea what art is. Anyone can be a commentator and see clear observations that everyone else has repeated time and time again. It doesn't take much skill to be a critic of Youtubers anymore, and at that point, commentating becomes the degrading thing that the commentators used to critique.
Oh shit you're so right I'm very sorry Quantum Ridley. Please take this as a win, for your superior intellect and logic has overpowered me. I feel downright horrible now holy shit. Not everyone is perfect! Holy shit that's revolutionary thinking. "don't deserve that much flak", genius, subjective ingenious. "didn't attack the community", hmm I must have been mistaken when he did after the zenzi meme. WOW just wow this man is a hero that should be loved by all because he DESERVES it.
WOWZERS.
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Julia Gloria2018-10-01 00:54:20 (edited 2018-10-01 00:56:02 )
@protolan han
You don't need to think that I'm some sort of pretentious bastard, I'll always assume I'm incorrect.
- "the credentials for a youtube channel have gone down" was always interpreted as universal fact on YouTube. The critics who acclaim to fix it are part of the problem. And assuming that you knew that, I don't know why you would challenge that argument.
- "their critiques don't matter". No one ever said they didn't, I just suggested that they shouldn't, unless they want to be hypocrites and become products of their own demise. I always like Emplemon's video and content, as his critiques are valid because reasoning is valid . As you gain further context, you gain better judgement. Is BTM a shitty content creator? Hell yeah! Is he deserving of the hundred thousands that hate him for doing so? No.
- "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY" I'm assuming you were sarcastic and not an actual critique. Though I wish you could have realized that I was also mocking cynics when you quoted me. Either way, I'm just gonna look like a guy who took a joker seriously, so it doesn't matter.
I couldn't care less than what BTM was. As far as I can tell, his fanbase has diminished to that of only a few thousands. If stopping large creators to realize they are making bad content is what you want, or you want Youtube to stop giving exposure to creators with no skill, then do something about them. Because BTM is the least of your worries if you care about the cultural stability of this site.
Targeting Youtube is way better than targetting a single creator of the past that miraculously was made because of YouTube's incompetence.
Here’s your chance to keep a loyal follower of 4 years. Your account has plummeted worse than the stock market crash in 2008, and I’m not accepting it anymore. Make better content or else I WILL be taking my engagements elsewhere.
@ْ ْ You made that comment as if you thought you had them at gunpoint or something lol, the hell do they care you leave? You're a single person. Do you think of yourself that highly?
He could have stopped it at depression/suicide awareness without a FAKE suicide prank and probably kept the people who had shown up to support him, but now it's like when Spongebob took his ripped pants joke too far and now no one wants to stick up for him (see Jake Paul although he had the guts to find a real suicide victim to go with terrible delivery). I agree with everything you said, already his gimmick is just bad videos about memes and now he's pulling this crap, of course he's getting a bunch of hate.
This video and the one about Leafy kind of makes me doubt any opinion I had about anything ever. I guess you're specifically trying to tell people not to just mindlessly fall into mob mentality and witchhunts and think for themselves. It's like watching MundaneMatt fall, sure, he did some really dumb shit and can't really handle criticism, but I still feel more sorry for the guy than I do hate him.
I’ll have you know that the swirly thing is a downward spiral! One that BTM was on! Tbh, this video really didn’t need any visuals, which is why this is all you see during the video!
I've always had the "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed" feeling whenever BTH is involved in something, and I'd say that's the only valid way to treat him.
4:28 you made a pun, emp. that aside, you’re hands down my favorite channel on youtube. i’ve been watching youtube since basically the beginning and out of the 12 years of content that has pushed out of this filthy anus of a platform, you’ve repeatedly been one of the most talented poopers AND one of the insightful people i’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. you’re the deadpool of this website, pal. treasure that
I find it very hard to forgive BTM for this, primarily because in the past I have seriously considered suicide; to the point I had to get actual help for it. If from the start he had said what the goal of these videos were, it would all be hunky dory. But, no, he made us all genuinely worry about him and then proceeded to fake suicide... just to end it off with a "It's joke" moment. I'm not going to do stupid shit like saying BTM deserves to die or anything cruel like that, but I am certainly less trusting of him. Mediocre videos or not.
If I were him I would’ve played along with the Zenzi debacle way back when and make a more satirical series of videos where I slowly fall into insanity because I can’t understand Zenzi
if only BehindTheMeme had taken off his mask from the beginning it couldn't have lead to this. But as for you Emp see you at your next video but your point of view has been touching to the heart and BTM doesn't need more of this.
The thing is that even tho his word on depression is something to take consideration of, this guy is a fucking memer. It just seems completely out of character
Hey man, no fault on your part. Just a simple mistake. You only did what you did because you were trying to protect our community, and you were so fed up with YouTube as a whole. I would’ve done the same exact thing if I were in your spot. I get it, you get it, we all get it man. You’re good.
Gosh, this is the most sincerely sympathetic and human/real you've ever sounded. I'm super used to your snarky persona but this is a sort of breath of fresh air. You're cool.
Most likely naivety. From what I've seen, BTM is kinda /r/OutOfTheLoop on how parts of the internet work. Suicide is very touchy and the message can easily be fucked up.
I think this video needed to be made. When I first saw your YOUTUBE IS CHANGING video, I thought "Alright this behindthememe thing is going too far." I thought a video saying to ease up on BTM needed to be done.
Behind The Meme? I figured he stopped uploading. Didn't even know this happened until recently. Good to see Emp isn't soulless and can defend someone, even though he literally complained about the guy for 30 minutes.
I completely agree that he’s just a doof. I mean, look at his channel before it started burning down. He was really just excited for it to grow and was looking forward to a face reveal, etc.
I never actually had a problem with BTM, but I still really liked your video on him from last year. But damn, you have a really cynical view on YouTubers. A lot of us really do care about what we do on this site. I don't make videos cause I just want money and attention, I make them cause it's fun and satisfying to put tohether an entertaining video.
The guy had his mom stick up for him in a video and call herself "mama memes" and the guy tries to reason with anons on 4chan , obviously he isn't the brightest of the bunch emp. Surprised you didn't see this sooner...
Unfortunately, I don't think those involved will stop hating the guy, by the sole the severeness of his actions, but I hope people who hate on him after finding out what he did by a secondary source will stop after watching this. This is a nice video.
Now that all this Behind the Meme crap is (hopefully) over, can you conplain about these "Boss rush" channels that spoil everything in their shitty clickbait thumbnails (like ProsafiaGaming, or Boss Fight Database).
Joking aside, I refuse to call this channel's trajectory a downward spiral. What these past couple years have shown me is the evolution of a prevelant youtube pooper into a respectible person with a unique, inquisitive outlook on society and his irregular upload schedule of thought-provoking video essays. Thank you for your quality, hard work and dedication to making this amalgamation of a website just a bit brighter, Emp.
You're in a rough spot emp because you unintentionally started the witch hunt. People misunderstood the video as you didn't criticize the person you criticized his content and it's good to separate the creator from the video.
Im starting to think that the people that were supporting him were doing it just for the 'social-justice points' or whatever you'd call it; Like a car dealer trying to sell you a shitty car, he has a warm demeanor, and yet you still end up turning down the deal and later starts talking trash about you to his co-worker
This whole time for the past year and or so I've tried my absolute hardest to forget Behind The Meme even existed. I just do not care for his content!! At all! I don't care! Who does anymore? His channel certainly isn't dead, that's for sure. Thanks to the controversy he sparks up with every upload. But at the same time, I feel like he's beating a dead horse. I don't know what else to say. I honestly feel like the best thing he should do is try out a new hobby. Again, I don't care. I just tend to stay away from normies
I think you actually pointed out how BtM doesn’t actually know how many of the memes he reviews are actually used, often citing KnowYourMeme verbatim. In your original video, you were very scornful about the audience he attracted. Again, you acknowledged how he isn’t with the “in” group of all this. I think you, deep down, always knew that BtM was coming from a place of optimistic ignorance.
BTM was trying to make his own KEK... but he's too hardcore of a normie to understand humor. I can't hate BTM entirely, but it's just that he's an unaware tbh. I just think if he tried thinking about how to talk about messages online appropriately- he'd be more easily perceived as some mediocre Youtuber for children or something.
But you can't do that with all of his terribly executed trolling, misappropriation of dark subject matters, and of course, going against High Tier meme creators/4Chan.
To save himself, BTM should think about removing the entirety of the "When they were gone" series and maybe redoing some of his recent (past 1 or 2 yrs) worth of meme videos to expand on them and actually do research. I think his normie-ness could work as his gimmick, but he'd have to do some revamping of his channel.
I guess you’re probably right. I’m just so ignorant of the fact people aren’t always as self aware as others. And I will probably still act that way... and saying that I won’t, is abit of a tongue twister, because again, it doesn’t just click like that. I’ll still stay this way...
Good for you that you can see through to his probable and honest stupidity in real life. I applaud you for that. I watched your original video again and again because it was and still is a good video but this is a nice turn to see your softer side. I now have so much more respect for you. I have watched and loved your content for so long but this adds a whole new layer to your personality. I know you will get a lot of shit for this as it becomes more of a popular video and more people watch it. Just know that I have been a loyal sub for a while now and I hope people read this and don’t think it’s fake, but there will always be doubters who will take everything on this app as fake. This has been a fun experience to see where you have and continued to take this channel of yours. I hope you read and enjoy my comment as you have said in the past that you read or try to read all comments. I can’t wait for you next video. This is me signing off. Good luck and like I said before I can’t wait.
I mean, i don't like to admit it, but i kinda liked his videos, maybe it was because I never seen something like his channel until I found yours. Either way, this goes to show that youtube before 2014 was a simpler time. people made videos for the fun of it, and didn't care about money. Perhaps behind the meme didn't care about money, he just wanted to be meme channel for fun and spread knowledge of memes. he didn't do it in the best way he could, but at the end of the day, he tried.
I never felt like Behind the Meme was being greedy or fake. I just felt like he wasn't taking the opportunity to do something creative to flesh out the memes he spread awareness for the root of, like he was reading the wiki articles and I was hoping that, in his return he'd have been trying to dig into a new way to look at and interpret memes to where he could Express to others where their heart is.
Well his original vid got taken down so it ain't gonna be that bad for him no matter his true motives. I think it's for the better personally, he's not a bad guy but he does seem slow.
Sooo... before I was watching btm... I was on his side... then I had seen his response and feeled like he was a good guy... the I had seen your vid and completely switched sides (because I was edgy and was tired of mainstream)... after some times I had mixed feelings about him because I was "maybe he us ignorant and just want to do the right thing"... and then this vid just approved in my head that he isnt really a asshole... just a guy wanting to do good things while being in the wrong place in the wrong time. But I am not on his side still. Just more sympathic towards him instead of pure hatred.
I wouldn't exactly say I sympathize with him, but I certainly don't hate him. If anything I just pity the dude. So let's say his videos are genuine and he's just kinda bland/mediocre. Mediocrity is pretty common so meh. But then to make a miniseries where he's depressed then supposedly offs himself? Then theres that "behind the meme is dead, kinda"" message, so maybe it's a sign his channel is gonna be redone or something different is gonna start. For now all I can do is feel pity if he's being genuine but also very indifferent to it.
Jokes aside. BTM is actually nothing to me. I don't mean that I don't value him as a person or anything. (I'm not psychotic) But I mean that he is just so "normie" that I honestly forgot he existed. And I'll probably forget tomorrow too. But I hope he succeeds in whatever little plans he makes. Even If I won't care or acknowledge it.
This is like.. The one video of yours I disagree with. He needs to learn to take hate. If he does something stupid, he deserves the hate. When you sign up for YouTube or any social media, you're signing up for hate and negative feedback. This man exploited suicide. He's like Logan Paul now. This shit is unforgivable and it was an immature and idiotic way to take hate. He made bad videos, got hate, and made an even worse video series. He deserves the shit he gets.
But didnt you say yourself that just because people arent doing anything wrong doesnt meant they're not bad, like his bad content and he is doing stuff wrong
While this may not be the best video to leave this comment on, but I'm early so whatever. I really liked your video on why millennials relate so much to spongebob. Alot
so good intentions means good actions? just because he meant well doesnt mean he did a good thing. dont defend him, it doesnt matter how pure his heart is. he needs to understand the consequences of his actions.
If you ask me, the shit he did was still terrible. Good intentions don't make something right. However, I agree that this man has no idea how to make a proper video. Even when someone doesn't know that though, they can still try to cash in on popular things. Regardless, I have to agree there is a high chance the guy just wasn't even trying and was just trying to do good things. I usually tend not to assume people do things for money alone. However, trying to become popular and/or successful in a scummy or messed up way, yeah, I can imagine that. Then again I'm a bit naive. Lots of people still try to cash in on the crap that often happens on Youtube. Guess I'm just not used to it since I make shit for fun and to inspire people to live their life however the fuck they want.
Still, I hated BTM for the lack of authenticity the man has. Not him as a person, but what he does without thinking of his own identity, and how unaware he is of it, while I think he should be. I hate his channel and what it stands for. He tries too hard to sound like he knows what he's talking about and all, and I think that attitude, plus the misinformation he spread around, is just really bad for people's authenticity in general. People copy crap like that. People get inspired by others. It happens in major industries at the cost of actual artistic and creative integrity, happens in politics at the cost of people's ability to look further than what the general accepted view is, and so on.
I try really hard in everything I do, to be authentic to myself and do shit with passion, and I want everyone to do the same. Being free to be who you really are, and develop who you are. Anyone who doesn't do that does not belong on Youtube if you ask me. And yes, being influenced by other people and articles and whatnot, basically copying them, is also not very authentic. It feels a bit like Justin Bieber wearing a Municipal Waste shirt. BTM's formula for videos is still probably the worst thing I've seen on Youtube in this regard. And yeah, I don't blame the guy. I bet he just doesn't realize he doesn't know anything about the things he talks about. Sounded like it from the start. But I wish he didn't make those videos. Misinformation still sucks dick and he deserves to be criticized for it, good intentions or not. I agree BTM isn't nescessarily in it for the money. For whatever reason he's doing it though, I still wish he didn't, and that he instead did something he actually put his heart into without just reading half-correct info from KYM. I wish he thought about what he was doing and what he as an individual had to add to what he loved. We shouldn't make the guy's life miserable for not knowing his shit, but we should definitely correct it and inspire him and others to handle it in a more authentic way.
people can be so weird and unique that they can think things and people will think otherwise. people think differently and things can sometimes get fuddled when it gets down to the trend and messages. video content and the responses. people can sometimes jump to conclusions and those are the worst because once the seed is there, it's hard to get rid of and once it grows, the community can't really accept that it might be something else or there were overlooked pieces to this puzzle. we are all different and people seem to forget that a lot.
Yeah right, EmperorLemon. The iDubbbz of memes making a video defending Behind The Meme? You've created this self righteous persona of, "I know everything," that it's hard to even take you and this video seriously. I mean, this is coming from a guy that said dank memes are dead. I think you're wrong, I think you're in no position to even make a video like this on this guy, and I think that at the end of the day, the guy deserves what's coming to him. I just hope that he'll learn from this. He's not immune to criticism. No one is. Even you.
I strongly disagree. Dude did something fucked, doesn’t matter if he’s an honest idiot. If he was a child that didn’t know better, then maybe, but he’s a grown man, capable of making the same decisions we all do, like not using a faked suicide for some luke warm “I’m raising awareness, guys” message.
I’ve been tempted to commit suicide from my life and after that it made me wanted to commit more but when I heard you speak out I put my knife down thank you lemon
i really wanted to sympathize with behind the meme, i sometimes wonder why he put himself in that position... i will never sympathize with him, the only time i did was when everyone was sending hate comments...
Ayyy, even tho he did do something questionable,, you should have left alone and let him do his thing which was making video about memes, you and other people should have leave him alone and let him do it from the start
Real talk: This was an retrospectively interesting and Innovative, yet scummy Idea. Yet He Wanted to do the right thing, but he did it in a Completely idiotic fashion. He IS and Idiot, but he wants to make people happy. He loves his work. Help him out, give him some support or advice (*GENUINE ADVICE*). It's sad to see someone with such a genuine heart do something so damn stupid and wind up in the shitter....
I don't think he is trying to manipulate his audience as he said he wanted to take the channel in another direction months ago in one of his channel updates.
Ok hi I wrote a really stupid comment along time ago so Hi.. Sorry? I hote you have a good life.... Also I am kinda stupid so my stupidity may have gotten the best of me.
He didn't fake it all dude. He most likely DID have depression, and ya gotta think, if he killed himself, how could he upload it? So of course the suicide was fake. no shit.
I feel like BTM is that little kid in Little league who has no idea what he's doing but you just feel so bad for him be wise he's so clueless you feel bad for him.
Jokes aside (also hello from the future) emp didn't apologize when his entire community turned on him like others, he apologized when he had no reason to do so, when everybody was on his side ready to bash BTM
to be honest you should contact him and help make him what he seeks to be, an actual credible meme review channel without any normies on the bandwagon.
@PhaseOntoTheAvenue I doubt it. I think he's too far gone now, look at the videos he uploaded. It would appear he was harassed so much he snapped and maybe had a breakdown, I sincerely believe we've lost him
Ppl are finally noticing that BTM isn't actually that bad of a guy? After everything that's happened to the guy just because of a youtuber opinion of him and giving him a bad reputation for no reason, look I understand that the guy don't make as good of videos but who cares? Idk if it's me but who cares if ppl make dumb vids? Hell it could be lazy or just something for fun but what if the person you're trying to hate to make better Vida just don't want too? Hell, make bad videos just cause you don't want too. Who cares if a video was made lazily? There's tons of popular videos that are lazy but get no hate. I Lil memes but people take them too seriously sometimes, it's literally a funny video or popular trend but with another title. People have even DDOSed him just for stupid reasons? At least now finally someone with more common sense can just say " hey, he isn't really a bad guy just have different motives ".
You had so many reasons to go with the flow, YET STILL, you'vs found a way to trigger the NPCs. To be frank, this is what I love about your channel the most. You never join the hivemind
Big respect to Emp for not being an egotistical maniac and admitting his mistakes in the past. You need lots of balls to actually do that. And after all, BTM is just a naïve manchild with genuine intentions. Like Pyro said, I'm sure he's a nice guy even though he probably unironically wears Watchmojo shirts in real life. He makes bad content but I don't think he deserved a lot of hate because of it.
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I just watched his Draw my life videos and he said because there were no videos explaining what is Dicks out for harambe he made one and after "7 years of doing videos on and off through several accounts"(quote) his channel got traction.
156 likes"I did the video and already had 10 subscribers and the video had 1000 views. And then I had 100 subscribers and my first video had 10,000 views. And then 500 subscribers and 50,000 views."
"The comment section was full of people thanking me and asking for more videos"
"Before I knew it i had 100,000 subscribers. And then 200,000 subscribers and then 300,000,
500,000,
700,000 subscribers."
And then he goes on to thank his subscribers,etc,etc,etc...
To me,this speaks volumes about who he is, why he keeps making videos ignoring everyone else, and confirms:
He is just a naive dude doing what he thinks is best and is best left alone.
It's not bad, it's just not our taste. Are the weather fore cast or golf or country music bad? No.
50 likesWhen you consider that there's plenty of people like him for the same reasons normie culture exists, this argument seems even more convincing.
12 likesWilbur Demitel saying someone is a “normie” in itself is a normie thing to do
11 likes@Hi It's Me that's just dumb and purely semantics don't invalidate my statement on mainstream culture.
8 likesWilbur Demitel “don’t invalidate my statement on mainstream culture” he says as he proceeds to call people normie
6 likesWilbur Demitel screeched, tears in his eyes as he gazed upon his edited comment with a undertale profile picture by the side
4 likesI agree...if anything we should support him and try to help him make better content....
11 likes1997 Toyota Corolla E110 love the name. Too bad it wasnt another RWD generation, but damnit, it had a great engine!
5 likes@Lone Stars although BTM probably has no room for improvement due to a lack of interest on the channel's behalf (remember that good intentions does not excuse lazy videos for a rather popular channel like his), I really believe he must have learnt something from this mess.
9 likesWilbur Demitel darkness filled the air as a heavy insult was heard
1 like@Wilbur Demitel his channel is dead. He probably has to start from the ground up with a new set of content to create.
3 likesWill he have exposure? Sure.
Will people like him if he just went on doing memes, again? No.
There is definitely room for improvement.
1997 Toyota Corolla E110 agreed. Which SBN3 could take some cues
2 likesHi It's Me
8 likesChirred a sad man, clinging to pretentious speeches in the corner of a circus, receiving no attention, for he was no more than a clown; entertaining an empty crowd.
I am waiting until BTM and Emplemon become Uber allies
4 likesHe deserves it because he could kill memes with a large fandom like PolandBall
1 likeYou wanna know who else admitted there mistakes? Jake Paul... not everyone is genuinely sorry.
1 likeThis is probably the only constructive use of a spicey pyro meme I've ever seen, respecc brother.
1 like1997 Toyota Corolla E110 ruined it.
1 likeWhat??
0 likesLOL wearing watchmojo shirts, doesn't get more normie than that
0 likesScp6789
0 likes@Wilbur Demitel 3am
0 likes@Lone Stars eerersml
0 likes@Bashkir Mapper And then you are just one of these people who are the main problem in the first place.
2 likesTwo questions I have:
1 like1. Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to doxx this guy? Let alone over producing videos that misdescribed memes. Whoever did that should be ashamed of themself.
2. Did anyone consider reaching out to the guy who ran BTM, and asking him what his creative process was?
Someone could have perhaps pointed him to better sources or shown him slicker editing techniques.
Coming from the perspective of someone who hadn’t heard of the channel until the YouTube Downward Spiral video, the channel’s content wasn’t very good or anything like that (decent thumbnails but that’s about it), but I don’t see anything morally wrong about the videos.
As for Emplemon, his video on Behind the Meme was pretty good in my opinion, but I wouldn’t call it his best work.
The one thing he could have done differently was preface the criticism by saying that he wasn’t personally mad at the guy (it appears that he never truly was, and he even said so near the end of that video). In his YouTube downward spiral video, Emplemon mentioned that the average time spent viewing that 33 minute video was about eight minutes, so unless they skipped around, the average viewer wouldn’t have heard that sentiment.
What do you think?
hating someone because they made harmless content which you viewed as bad? thats honestly despicable
1 like@Commander Bravo2 it's pathetic when they justify their actions bc he's normie. people got mad over a funny internet memes
0 likesit's like they never grew up
yes, BTM is the manchild, but emp who made a 30 minute rant attacking someone over "meme culture" is the poster boy of maturity. nice fanboying 👍
1 like@Commander Bravo2 nice job replying to a 3 year old comment.
0 likesand besides nowhere in my comment did I fanboy. all I said is I have respect for Emp for admitting that he did BehindTheMeme wrong and acknowledged that mistake because he also agrees that BTM isn't a bad person.
@Toyota Corolla he admits to his mistakes but that doesnt change everything thats happened, btm still got tons of abuse for no reason, the only thing emp couldve done to rectify what he did was delete his rant video, yet thats still up, so this whole apology video is just some face saving bullshit. and what if your comment is 3 years old? have your opinions changed since then?
0 likessome say EmpLemon's heart grew three times that day
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Pat S 3 x 1
25 likesWas it on Christmas day?
50 likesand then he had a heart attack due to the sudden heart disturbance. his death was slow and painful.
160 likesIt's three SIZES.
49 likesS I Z E S
nah jk who tf would be unironically anal about a dr seuss reference
@Cerberus Games TV me. Cause D A M N. IT WAS THREE SIZES
11 likesthe lemon before christmas
4 likesHow the Downward Spiral ruined Christmas for everyone.
7 likesBut it nearly shrank six
0 likes0 multiplied by 3 is still 0
9 likesXDDDD NONONO XDDDD
1 likeAmen
0 likesImmediately shrinking back 6 times, creating a black hole from which no love could escape.
6 likesNobody says that
0 likes3*0=0
1 likeMr. J, I like your conspiracy theory.
0 likes200 IQ comment
0 likes0 x 3 = 0
0 likesSome say people used this comment like 3 times already probably copying each other
0 likesWait, the top 2 comments are the same!
0 likesNah, that's impossible
0 likesThe heart has little space to move, let alone expand 3 sizes.
@Alexander Chon
0 likesEmplemon was only critiquing his content . Even in the first video on BTM he said that he doesn't hate him, only the videos he makes. It was the loud minority of toxic people that agreed with Emp that went on the anti-BTM crusade.
@SQuinGedSUB The videos may not have been good (though I wouldn't say there is anything morally wrong about misdescribing memes), and while the guy did not handle the criticism he received maturely, I can't help but ask: Why did anyone think it was a good idea to doxx the guy behind Behind the Meme?
0 likesThose two things may not have been good responses, but I wouldn't call that reaction justified.
As for Emperor Lemon, he really didn't do anything wrong here. All he did was (as you said) knock the videos, and his reactions to the criticism. Looking at his video, I have no idea how someone would watch that and conclude that the person behind the channel should be doxxed.
If anyone did something morally wrong here, it's the doxxers (ok that's not a word, but you get my point). What say you?
@Fries I agree with you that the doxxers should be scrutinized and not Emp. That was mainly the point I was making, but it seems like the guy I said it too still hasn’t responded. Heck I didn’t even notice how long it’s been until you replied to me.
0 likes@SQuinGedSUB One other thought I just had:
0 likesIf you watch the video EmpLemon did on Behind the Meme, he does allude to the fact that he is not actually mad at the guy, and that he doesn’t think anything was morally wrong about what he did.
However, that doesn’t occur until very late in the video (probably the last minute before credits).
In his video on YouTube’s downward spiral, Lemon cut to a screen that showed that the average watch time on that video was 8:26, so unless someone skipped around, they wouldn’t have heard that part of his commentary. This obviously wouldn’t explain how people arrived at doxxing, but if that part of the video isn’t something that someone heard, I do see how they would conclude that Lemon thought the guy was a terrible person.
@Fries yeah I saw that as well, which is why I was confused as to why people were attacking him since he mentions that he doesn’t hate BTM as a person. But I guess some people might’ve not watched tht part or the other video (since his yt downward spiral video doesn’t have BTM in the title so people wouldn’t know to look there). Your comment about Emp’s Youtube Copyright Meta is VERY long, but I will still still try to respond to it seeing as I watched all three parts and do have thoughs about it.
1 like@SQuinGedSUB Sounds good. Thank you for replying at all!
1 like@SQuinGedSUB My apologies for coming back to this conversation so much, but I do have one last question regarding this whole situation:
0 likesDid anyone consider reaching out to the guy running Behind the Meme, and help him with video production, or point him to better sources?
People complained that the videos were generically delivered, and the descriptions were read off of Know Your Meme, or at the very least paraphrasing what that site reads, and that makes sense.
But I wonder if anyone critical of the guy considered helping him become a creator that they would want to follow.
That could have prevented the rest of the situation if well executed.
Just a thought I had.
@Fries true, though I don’t know if he would respond now, but I do believe that he’d likely take the advice if he really is who Emp said he is in this video. Just a regular dude who made mediocre content (as not like a watchmojo type)
0 likes@SQuinGedSUB Nowadays he probably wouldn’t be up to the task of only because we are so far away from the situation, but when the channel was active, something like that may have been a good idea. Too bad it never occurred to anyone.
0 likesAs far as content farms go (or rather, channels that repeatedly upload to gain as much watch time as possible), none are very good in terms of content, and they would all probably ignore all criticism.
WatchMojo is a pretty bad channel (though I would actually call them one of the better content farms because at least their videos talk about a variety of topics).
The worst channel like that in my opinion (and in my opinion, the worst extremely large channel on the site) would have to be 5 Minute Crafts, who uploads an average of three times a day, who has somehow managed to get 73 million subscribers, and who uploads “life hack” suggestions that have often been ripped from other sources, and that aren’t useful according to most people.
In any event, thank you for replying to me, and have a great day!
@MrRock0ut was waiting for that reply
1 likethis is the best comment i have ever seen. congratulations im writing you on my graphics card fan with a yellow sharpie
0 likesBTM was simply too pure for the Internet and is in over his head.
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People that we call "normies" tend to be too pure for the internet in the first place.
258 likesPeople who stay on the internet will be corrupted by their own humanity. It's the beauty and the wilderness of the internet.
102 likes@Julia Gloria I REJECT MY HUMANITY, NORMIES
24 likesI remember when I actually had a life and was not socially awkward
36 likesHe is just a beautiful cinnamon roll. Too good for this world, too pure.
14 likesAgreed. At first I tried to make certain forums really polite and not as wild westy, but I've learned to go with the flow. Now I argue with people for fun on YouTube, and if I'm feeling like I really need to shit on stupid people, Instagram.
8 likesCblye I never had a life
1 likeWhat? But I've been on the internet for so many years, literally lived there to escape depression and a toxic family and I'm still trying to be polite to others, unless they really piss me off or when I'm making jokes that involve insults.
13 likesMaybe because it was just A) beaten into me to be polite or B) I'm not as pessimistic and cynical as I thought I am.
Bananas Were us Good jojo reference
3 likesHe got karma for spawn camping the meme birthing interdimension
1 likeBananas Were us is that a Jojo's Reference?!
0 likes@BeastUpp agreed.
0 likespoor normies tbh
0 likes@Mr. Spectacals normies are just more functional members of society they aren't making jokes that are stupid and idiotic and are only funny because "did mak no sense", they have lives unlike us sitting on the internet and I feel sad about that.
0 likes@Lacie Hinds he was too pure
0 likes@Someone Somewhere some people like you need it. But most people get corrupted off it, toxicity and all.
0 likes@Mr. Spectacals you sounds cringe
0 likes@Dillon Redditor detected opinion reject.
0 likesI don't care what your opinion is on BTM, but no one deserves to be doxxed. That was when it went too far.
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But you can guess who caused this mess in the first place, and it was not BTM.
45 likes@Aereto Criticising people is just what people do on YouTube. People need content to make if they're going to stay relevant on the site. So if they ever find anything they think is questionable, they absolutely need to make a video about it.
71 likesCould EmpLemon have handled it better? Definitely. But I don't think it's 100% fair to blame him on this drama.
@Wilo Polis No, it was his fans. They make the Rick and Morty fandom look tame.
51 likes@Dubuya Jay I know, that's what I was saying
28 likesAlthough I do feel like EmpLemon could be a bit more cautious about saying "but don't go attacking this guy or anything"
@Dubuya Jay Also, to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the minds of fanbases, but pretty much all fanbases love attacking YouTube channels, I wouldn't say it's particularly EmpLemon's in comparison
19 likesWilo Polis emp explained that
1 likeHey uh... i still dont know what doxx means
7 likes@Gabriele Genota Basically it means to leak someone's personal info (usually their location) and go to their location or whatever
25 likes@Wilo Polis ohh thank you :D
25 likesWait shit that's horrible
@Gabriele Genota Yeah pretty much lol
8 likes@Dubuya Jay Bruh, that burn was... illegally hot. Nice, totally agree, his fanbase makes his content cancer to me even though they're just agreeing with him...wait how are his fans worse than him? Edit: oh right he got harassed and doxed by them. Yeah, that's bad.
4 likesI hate the word Normie, it was literally made just to make fun of people who have a different sense of humor that you.
9 likes@ゴ Chunky Phattz ゴ no it means more than that. educate yourself.
3 likesSamu-el Daw-kins shut up Flanders
8 likesDoxxers seem to always inadvertently help the reputation of their targets by making the targets look better by contrast. Once the doxxers show up, the question stops being whether or not the target is in the wrong, and becomes whether they deserved to be doxxed (to which the answer is always no).
12 likesThe thing is legally they've lost, they have no argument against it, once you dox someone and give them death threats you pretty much loose your defence. And there's enough comments that he'd have a decent case.
5 likes@Wilo Polis I'm against normies who genuinely are attention seeking people who think memes are cool.
0 likes@Zalternative X Setting aside the fact that those replies are over 2 years old and I have matured a sizable amount since, he has been completely inactive on all social media platforms and it's very possible he killed himself.
0 likesBut it's worth it because he ruined memes.
He committed suicide.
But go on, enlighten me with your edgy hipsterness.
@Wilo Polis Excuse me but what??? I may have read your comment extremely wrong and if so correct me, but just because he had no understanding of memes and tried to teach without even knowing memes, inadvertently causing peeps to hate on him is no reason to be happy about his potential suicide. How is that maturing?
0 likesLosers love doxxing enemies.
0 likes@Bread Why would anybody wish death upon someone even though its totally undeserved?
0 likes@Bread Bruh.
0 likes@Tech Freak
0 likesI don't know, man. Emp's content surpasses any fan toxicity
To say you don't care what his opinion is, kind of implies that you didn't watch. I don't know, it's just a hostile thing to say, in a video that is in defense of the BTM.
1 like@Malixulo / Murder of Crowz especially considering he defending him at the point where everyone was shitting on BTM for faking his "soup-of-side".
0 likesYeah
0 likes@Wilo Polis it reeked of jealousy imo lmao, especially on Fantano's part
0 likes@High Definition the necroposts n e v e r e n d
0 likesThe content he made wasn’t very good in general, and his responses to his critics certainly come off as condescending.
0 likesBut I have no idea why anyone would think that doxxing another person, or sending them death threats is a good idea.
Also, did the doxing and death threats happen before his depression videos? Just curious as to the timeline.
@ItsGamer93 I... Do not understand what you are saying.
0 likesHe did not deserve to be doxxed!
2 likesSeriously, he got harassed and bullied by a bunch of people all because he explained memes!
Some guy starts making videos with the best intentions only to then get misunderstood by another Youtuber with a better understanding of the subject matter that the random guy covers, and because of that he calls him out effectively sending a hate mob against him that ends up doxing him after this he retires from the web for a while.
1250 likesAfter he returns he decides to help awareness of an actual problem but does this so badly that everyone interprets it as him whoring but its that single moment of incompetence that makes the Other Youtuber realize the guy's genuine incompetence and after getting this realization he decides to tell the hate mob to stop.
Its almost poetic
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The way you put it made it sound pretty depressing
146 likesSounds like a Soap Opera
49 likesWhy dox him though?
34 likesTriggered MINECRAFT fan boy / minecraft is CoOl It is pretty depressing if you think about it.
11 likesThis would make for a good shakesperean drama if more people died.
59 likesThis is why you should always be open minded.
11 likesA year too late.
2 likesTop ten emotional anime plotlines
0 likesTHATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE DANG TIME
0 likes@Very angery man / minecraft is CoOl That's because it is depressing
1 likeA tragic comedy, and Emp turned out to be the true buttmonkey in the end. Like SJWs, what has been done cannot be undone. Emp could not redeem himself anymore.
9 likesNot Freeman laymans terms? im so out of it rn
0 likesYou can't CONTAIN this Beast!
0 likesWhy do people make it sound like emplemon asked btm to be doxxed
0 likes@Very angery man / minecraft is CoOl Its very depressing
1 likeThere’s one detail here that is often overlooked:
2 likesIn his video on YouTube’s Downward Spiral, Emplemon displayed an image of the screen from his Behind the Meme video.
It showed that the average watch time was 8:26. That may seem reasonably long, but consider that the video was just over 32 minutes, and that very late in the video (at about 29:40), he explicitly stated that he doesn’t hate Behind the Meme, or even think that his intent was malicious.
He was simply critical of the execution of his videos, and about the misconceptions that were spread through those videos.
Keep in mind that that is just short of 30 minutes into the video, and the average viewer watched 8:26.
So unless someone skipped around, or watched nearly the whole video, they wouldn’t have heard that comment.
As such, I do see how someone could watch a portion of the video before that and conclude that Lemon thought Behind the Meme was a terrible person, but either way, I have no idea how someone would watch that video and conclude that Behind the Meme should be doxed.
The one thing Emplemon could have done was preface his criticism with that comment initially instead of leaving it to the end so more people would hear it, but he didn’t do anything wrong I would argue.
While I do think it was a bad thing to post those videos, It isn’t just to spread awareness. In his own words he actually had these feelings himself. This video still feels insulting because it’s just “oh he’s stupid” without actually thinking about his feelings
1 likeEmpLemon's heart grew three sizes that day
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Lol
13 likesOriginal comment
48 likesLux The Fox 1 it’s the freak phone
1 likeLux The Fox 1 never knew he had one..
4 likesDoes he even have a heart to begin with a year ago?
5 likesyea
0 likesBack then his heart imploded into an ion bomb.
2 likes-three
0 likesWait, the top 2 comments are the same!
1 like0*3=0 (/s)
0 likes@Darric P.L. bruh
1 likepretty much
0 likesBefore he made this video, his heart was like 0.2 milimeter big
0 likesIdk who made the comment first
0 likesLol
0 likesThis was the point emplemon turned from:
150 likes-a naive ytp child.
Into:
-a caring and intelligent documentary-creating man.
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While we may never get a new ytp from emplemon, (collab entry or not) it’s nice to know that he’s changing and maturing with his own channel, and that he’s now making his own videos whenever, and on whatever topic he decides to talk about. From Homer Simpson Vs. Frank Grimes, to NASCAR’s most feared race track, both his early days and his ytps will live forever in our hearts as one of the greatest ytpers of the generation.
13 likesI feel bad for Behind the Meme. He genuinely seems like a nice guy.
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If he moved on from his current content then he could have a small YouTube success
13 likesI think the dichotomy of spongebob and squidwards relationship emp lemon talked about in the spongebob video is very similar to the relationship between him, and BTM. Emp lemon being the squidward of this situation, and BTM being spongebob. Both of them stuck in a similar shit position due to you tubes algorithm. It's just BTM had a more positive outlook on the situation and wanted to spread a genuine message. Emp thought he had some sorta agenda but just like the pizza delivery moment once a force more sinicle then him broke BTM's enthusiasm, and desires of spreading a positive message... Emp stood up for him. Just like how squidward stood up for spongebob. Just something interesting that popped in my head.
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Cynical
59 likesBoi, we gonna make Emplemon's Philosophical Inquiry on Memetics and Youtube Book?
248 likesbump holy shit that's perfect
137 likes"WELL THIS ONE'S ON THE HOUSE"
117 likesILLUMINATI
7 likesdo you get top comment if i bump this
13 likesBut that’s just a theory, a game theory, thanks for watching
11 likesdid anyone order a bump?
4 likesDeserves top comment
11 likesBump
6 likesI stopped reading this after pressing read more
1 like"It's not just a joke! It's a meme! It's a meEeEeMe! Oh the pioneers used to ride these babies all over Something Awful!"
15 likestop 10 anime metaphors
2 likesthere's something else, emp knew better than btm
2 likesThat's a good notice.
2 likesyoutube drama= spongebob.
8 likesbippity boopity bumped
2 likesHey bombers, It's great to see you here! :D
2 likesGet emplemon to see this
0 likes@KingHalbatorix You can tell from context he probably meant "sinister." Although I suppose cynical COULD make sense in that situation.
1 likeBump
0 likesThe Bombers it’s... it’s just like the pizza episode.
2 likesThat is so true
1 likeW O K E
1 likeLife imitates art.
2 likesYou're right, except this is life. There are no happy endings. Not for SpongeBob or for Squidward. Just a sweet moment of humility.
4 likesholy shite you a moxy sub?
1 likeThis is so true
0 likesBut unlike Squidward, Emplemon can't redeem himself anymore.
1 likeBump
0 likesJESUS YOU'RE RIGHT
1 likei am the only one who imagines BTM as dante and EmpLemon ans virgil from Dante's Inferno
3 likesThis is it, Chief
0 likesUp
0 likesOh my aching back!
0 likesthat was a really good anaolgy actaully
1 likeomg i watch you that's crazy seeing people i watch on other places lol
0 likesHoly shit
1 likeThis is a perfect analogy
0 likesWith that pizza delivery comparison...
0 likesWE WERE THE "DIET DR.KELP" FISH
FUCK...
Man, I really despise the misunderstanding of depression, abuse of self-diagnosis, and how easily it's thrown around.
2055 likesIt's hard to be critical when talking about these subjects, you don't want to feel like an asshole but for me, it's maintaining it's importance without diluting the message. Self-diagnosis makes all of this tricky, you can't really deny it and the potential of a serious issue combined with possible misunderstanding without a professional opinion can lead to situations like this one.
I seriously doubt the internet will ever find a solution because of how delicate the topic of mental illness is. I really want to make a "This is so sad" joke, but I think BehindTheMeme can come out stronger or at least wiser from the controversy. I'm hoping people can learn from their mistake.
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It's the lack of awareness for the difference between the state of mind and the mental health issue that makes depression an overused term
33 likesI agree with you Doofus. It's normal to feel down but to say it's depression is diluting what that word means.
22 likesBesides, clinical depression happens from brain wiring(hence it being mental illness), not because "the haters" are bringing you down.
Eh... sorry but innocence and good intentions through harmful ignorance, also harmful stupidity and bad circumstances... is not really a thing (to me).
6 likesAs one suffering depression and formally contemplating suicide myself; His take and play up on suicide like countless other online attempts, is horrifically disrespectful and even dangerous to the actually suicidal; REGARDLESS of intent or self-awareness, same goes for everything he has been doing up till now.
HOWEVER like you've said, I've long forgotten and stopped caring about Behind the Meme. Won't ever really forgive, but have already forgotten, and lost care to do or say anything to him in anyway. I'll still be all the more glad if the does turn around from this... but only EXACTLY because he DOES deserve some level of blame.
For example i used to be depressed somewhere through school but it didn't take a toll on me (at least not self harm) because it was a state of mind that passed through my life but people out there have the horrible mental condition that must be treated delicatly or else it can get worse and people who suffer with that problem still have a mark of that demon they faced because it doesn't just go.
8 likesur mom xd
3 likesHard agree
0 likesToo many comma splices.
0 likesSelf-diagnosis is seen as inaccurate, but professional diagnosis can be biased toward overdiagnosis, in order to push antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, etc.
9 likesPharmaceutical reps wine and dine doctors and invite them to weeks long "seminars" at tropical destinations. To remain impartial while enjoying these benefits is impossible.
Read James Davies' Cracked if you want to lose all faith in the modern medicine system.
Yikes Wolfin, never thought of that. I'll definitely be interested in reading about this later on.
1 likeHoly fuck, hey Doof, it's me, Moth, can't believe I'm seeing you here
1 likeAnxiety is over blown as well
0 likesDepression is really an overused term
2 likesEven these replies are all overly simplified.
0 likesMental illness in the physical, neurochemistry sense is almost non-existent. Humans who are biologically depressed because of neurochemistry would be almost wholly selected out of the population. The rise in depression we are seeing is not a disease affecting the neurochemistry of our brains, but a natural response to the artificial, asocial society/environment that is developing around us. That is why depression is always diagnosed as innate or genetic predisposition to being depressed; we haven't examined the environment that we are creating, we've simply accepted it as necessary and part of modern life, despite it being so radically different from the characteristic human experience that we are intimately adapted to.
5 likesBen Dover - I'm sorry, but besides that anecdotal and subjective experience, do you suggest that depression is all or nothing? Unfortunately, depression is a term describing a multitude of different and even mutually exclusive symptoms. Whether it's because of different people reacting in their own way, or because of actually different mental states, that in no way entitles you more to that term than anyone else.
1 like@Doofus
1 likeYou never understand depression until you encounter it yourself. It develops in subtle ways; the more drastic actions are actually the late-stage depression. It nips at you from the inside, taking joy out of what keeps you content and happy. You feel tired even at full night's slumber. Many, subtle things.
@Aereto Aereto binch, I've been diagnosed for a solid 8 years lmao. That being said, it probably was a improper diagnosis . After reading eading more on my possible condition and what Wolfin suggested.
0 likesA psychologist friend suggests I'm probably bipolar, which feels a lot more accurate.
Still though, sorry about this tangent. This was sorta my way to wrap up this thread, I feel you on that though. :v
Emp realised that on the internet, there are some people with no bad intentions and most people forgot about that
741 likesThat's why Emp is here, to remind that there are new people on the internet to guide and that, at some point, we were new when we were introduced to it
Nice job, bud
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ALRIGHTY THEN! (engineers voice)
18 likesBACK TO WORK!
4 likesI read that in engineers voice and it literally made me take it more seriously
5 likesBehindTheMeme is like that clueless kid on your group project but he still trying to make everyone happy by trying to help, buy snacks, etc. But in the end his attempt is not making everyone happy and he get hated for that
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An Indonesian man of culture too i see...
1 likeso he’s that helpful kid nobody cares about? Bruh
10 likes@The Game of the Play Gaming trying to help isn't immediately helping
7 likes@Sharkronical “hey bro need emotional support”
0 likes‘Nah you can’t instantly help me”
“alright”
@The Game of the Play Gaming "hey bro, u seem down, need emotional support?"
7 likes"Nah bro, I'm good, I just need some time for myself"
"Seriously bro, I can help"
"No, really, just get me some space please"
"There, there, there's nothing to be worried about"
Is that helpful?
Sad
0 likesIt’s the thought that counts just point him in the right direction and you’ve got an a-ok mate
0 likesI have an suggestion emp: Reach out to the guy. Give him meme advice or whatever. Help this guy escape medocrity
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How would emp do that? Emp thrives on making mediocrity.
98 likesPlease don't fuel the normies, he should stay mediocre
12 likesCan you imagine? Suddenly they open a channel together were Lemon explain memes to BTM and BTM is all like "Woooooooow... Memes are so deep". I'd pay for that shit.
81 likesAn suggestion
0 likesStill some immature kids using swear words... Hmm...
4 likesWhat gives EmpLemon the right to use "normie" but one person in this comment section says it and everyone calls it "outdated," it really makes me question the Emperor's fans.
20 likes@Boks yes, im talking about you, hypocrite.
7 likes@Literally Gaston well, its just the 2 different demographics, the mainstream (normies) and the outsiders. Im more of an outsider, since i think that mainstream shit like Stranger Things or The Walking Dead are kinda shit, so I watch youtube.
2 likesItz Trikki Ah yes, because youtube is totally niche.
10 likesDude, I’m what you would call an “outsider” myself I just don’t think that it makes me better which is something very common in this community. It came to this point that I actually prefer “normies” because at least they’re having fun and not taking funny pictures from the internet so seriously.
It is too late to fix that. Reaching out after that just makes things far worse. You are giving a better reason to hate Emp more.
0 likes@Literally Gaston well, i consider myself an outsider and i dont take memes seriously, i never did, i just try to get a good laugh out of them and i respect the people who made them.
0 likes@Trikki Clips that wasn't really the issue with that comment, more the "he should stay mediocre" part
0 likesholy fuck I thought about the exact same thing, I need to see this shit happen, a proper emperor lemon btm meme channel, he should just start from the beginning without any of the normies (word hurts to say but what else do i call them) on his ass
0 likes@Trikki Clips Exactly. It's just a term and when you call an ACTUAL normie only to call that person out from their mistakes, you should try to educate and inform on what they're doing wrong, [persay with the legitimate evidence of that they're actual a normie] instead of using the term to ridicule ANYONE or deliver the message to other people "that you have dominance or superiority over someone" because of a [your] complex/ego.
0 likes"give him meme advice"
2 likesFuck no! He deserves punishment for telling blatant lies.
0 likesLast video he uploaded was 10 months from this guy.
0 likesSomething luckily happened.
Just send him links to "lessons in meme culture"
0 likesOk eptic
0 likesNever disliked him, just his content. People already know suicide is such a serious topic, seeing him pull it off like some skit or prank video just felt so...unethical to say the least. His intentions were meaningful but his actions and results caused more distress than actual awareness. I get he isn't a bad guy, but I just can't really forgive someone that would have thought using the topic of suicide like this would ever spread awareness of suicide.
753 likesThere are better ways he could have executed the message.
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It would have been better if he didn't upload it to the channel, maybe put a ARG and a "found footage" type of thing.
18 likesLike they say, a path paved with good intentions could still lead to bad ending
21 likes7T Productions - Wouldn't you say that the harassment he got was also unethical? Intentionally or not, stirring up the waters in the "meme community" was a way for fighting back. I'm personally glad that those people had their voices drowned in this noise.
12 likes@Geo The P unethical? Yes of course, no one should voice their opinions in such strong emotions. Being most of the ones who harass are anonymous however, this kind of problem is very difficult to resolve.
5 likesTwo wrongs don't make a right though, even though people counteract that metaphor with "negative times negative is positive" it's important that we are constantly adding our actions, never multiplying. Metaphors aside, everyone takes responsibility for what has happened. BTM for his actions, and even me for simply not knowing this until emplemon released this video. We all share this problem
7T Productions - Do people actually use "negative times negative is positive" as a metaphor? Lol, that sounds so goofy. I don't claim that what BHM did was ethical, but I don't think that's even the point. Aren't unethical actions warranted under specific circumstances? I think that is what you should be debating. They only two ways to explain his actions, I think, are either him purely trying to express himself or to purposefully defend against his harassment. Neither of these sound any unwarranted in my opinion. Unethical, maybe? But what is the point of ethics other than vague guidelines if you don't even take the context in account. Just like I find your claim about ignorance and responsibility unhelpful, there is always something you don't or cannot know, you just end up creating unecessary stress. Sorry for analysing it too much.
6 likes@Geo The P totally fine, I completely understand what you mean, or hopefully I think I do. Obviously I'm not an expert on this stuff so it's wonderful to have debates like this. As for the metaphor, it gets thrown around a lot by some people in my area, I really dislike the use of it. But yeah trying to apply ethics to this wouldn't really do much other than pure commentary, but I do enjoy the topic of ethics within a situation and analysing what happened which is why I even brought it up and judging from the thumbs on this, people found this interesting. Case in short, I agree with you and in my personal thought, I'm really grateful to have someone to discuss this with.
2 likesSo nobody is even slightly considering that he maybe did this because he encountered suicidal thoughts for the first time in his life and didnt know any other method to process that than a video?
9 likes@Felsbrocken I get where you're going, but actions can't be solely justified by motives. If he felt suicidal, he could have went for help, he shouldn't have even made videos if he felt as such. But this wasn't about him being suicidal, this was suppose to be him spreading suicide awareness. What the videos showed was him behaving suicidal, a situation very serious when it turns out it was clearly an act as he said it was only to spread awareness of such. The key word is that he acted suicidal, he tricked us to believing he was suicidal. If he was suicidal, I only ask him to seek professional help, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that everyone was put on edge for his performance just for him to say "I didn't kill myself, this was to spread awareness!"
5 likes7T Productions oh Im not defending him. Whatever his intentions were; the video he pulled off of these intentions didnt work out and made no point.
11 likesBUT it makes me suspicious and it rings some alarms..
He seems like the type of guy to be oblivious enough to not realize where hes going with these thoughts...and all the negative reactions he gets from the internet as well....downward spirals and their undertow develop fast..
7T Productions I just hope BTM realizes that he has to either embrace the meme he has become himself; or stop with youtube as a whole..
3 likesHe was quite successful in raising awareness. Everyone at the time agreed that EmpLemon was the cause of his suicide. People wanted to stop what gave people suicidal thoughts
4 likesHere are some proof that it's all fake. First, how does a gun looks like that. It's plastic! It's not even that big. People thought this is fake but imagine a guy in Birdman movie shooting himself in front of a Broadway play. I know the movie is fiction but just imagine that in real life...
4 likesSecond, if you look closely of what he saying, he needs help. He's not committing to take his own life, he's just trying to express his emotion via recording on video. If that happened, how does he pre-recorded the videos for just 2-4 days and how can he edit the video about that suicide hotline ending with him being dead? (Or so)
Third, I know his channel is mediocre, but it does'nt mean you hate a person. For me, in my opinion, I kinda like his content a little. I never like his content obsessively nor hated, it's just decent for me. His research tried hard to be original but he needs more materials to prove his channel for the best. What happened when the content changed? Well, it's over. All over!
Lesson: Always think or wonder before you speak.
It's not a serious topic
0 likesHow, exactly, are you supposed to "spread awareness of suicide" without "using the topic of suicide?"
1 likeYou can try and reason with people who decided to shoot up schools before suiciding. This is the equivalent.
0 likesThis... is a work of art! 😢
I didn't even dislike his type of content. It made people that were new to the Internet understand memes. It was mediocre, sure but at least it wasn't horrible
0 likesIf you people went around sending death threats to someone and doxing them, you deserve the scare.
0 likesbehindthememe wasn't manipulating us. he was just a naive teacher.
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And are dad
5 likesOh, jesus, this whole fucking thing is like a creepy pasta... A regular dude with good intentions gets doxxed and hated like a rapist or criminal for years for what ? For not being good enough at memes ? For helping normies?
50 likesDamn, Fuck the internet
I generally find it comforting to believe that sometimes people are just... Stupid. Sometimes people aren't secretly scheming and evil, but just kinda foolish and unaware. Kanye, for example. Kanye is strange and opaque and downright horrid-sounding at times, but I find it hard to believe that he's some evil dude that changes his name to YE and talks in third person just as an act. I think he's really just terminally strange.
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I've had to study and research a bit of Kanye in order to write character for an abridged series of mine. In Amagi Brilliant Park the main character is named Kanie Seiya and Kanie is how the Japanese say Kanye and Seiya has a kanji letter that means "West". Kanie Seiya and Kanye West act similar but I wanted to fully play with the idea that he IS Kanye West, in my parody.
54 likesSo anyhow back to Kanye. Before researching Kanye, I hated him, the way media portrays him, what I've seen of him, what I've heard about him. All bad, sounds like a massive dick with his head way too far up his head. But as I started researching him, I found him to be genuinely a nice guy. He's a little eccentric and can say some ludicrous things at times but I believe his intentions are honest and he is ultimately altruistic. He really just speaks his minds at times and he should work on controlling it at times but these days he's been handling it better.
About him being highly narcissistic and egotistical at times, I reckon it's more half an act and half real. He IS narcissistic and egotistical but he purposely EXAGGERATES it at times to be controversial. He says some crazy things but he genuinely believes in them and sometimes he just explains it in the worst way that makes him seen more than an asshole he actually is.
Hermaeus Jackson I thought kanye acts like that cause he's bipolar and it's a response to his mom passing away
1 likeI don't find him stupid. Strange for sure, but not stupid. He at least questions the ordinary media stuff and tries to come up with his own answers. It's kinda brave when you think about it
9 likes"Never atribute to malice that wich is equally atributed to stupitity, but dont rule out malice" -random dude
6 likes@Jordan L That sounds stupid
1 likewe're talking about someone who thought asking his mommy to diss one someone else for him was a good idea.
1 likeor get mad after 4chan and calling them elitists when they're the very source of most of the content of his videos.
of course he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Kanye for president 2020
0 likes@Jordan L 2 years ago you knows nothing about satanism.
0 likes@Jordan L You knkw stuff, but not about satanism. Your first mistake was mentioning it like it was bad.
0 likesEmp is Grimes.
1663 likesBTM is Homer.
Which leaves us with a question...
Why are they green?
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YOU are not what’s wrong with America.
50 likeswhy are the Simpsons green
44 likesI LOVE FORTAIN.
10 likesGet a load of this society.
10 likesBTM?
0 likesBTM
2 likese he
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Huh
0 likesOr, as The Bombers put it in another comment, BTM and Emp are like Spongebob and Squidward respectively at the end of Pizza Delivery, as Emp described in his own video about Spongebob, with the poor conditions of Youtube’s landscape and algorithms being the pizza customer.
12 likesI thought u meant Grimes the musician and I was so confused 😂
1 likeCuz lizards
0 likesWait... Green is the color of vegetal!
0 likesfunny reading this comment now
11 likesWould you look at that now? It's like the Simpsons predicted it! Ha... Really, interesint...
5 likesThe sempsins
1 likeDid you just predict he would make a video about them??
4 likesyou legend
0 likesEmp is old homer.
1 likeBTM is Ned.
Because the downward spiral is green (and purple)
0 likesMoon Man did you just say that we live in a society
0 likes@BananaCat 310 Nope, you said that
0 likesDefending Behind The Meme? Is this video from an alternate reality where EmpLemon is not on a downward spiral?
71 likesI would not have expected this from you. But fair play to you for your sympathetic change of heart.
I always thought that the idea of BehindTheMeme being some normie-pandering, low-effort shill was a bit excessive.
443 likesHe always seemed more like a guy who genuinely didn't know what he was dabbling in more than being some money-hungering punk.
Regardless, it's really mature of you to own up to such a mistake.
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Rude.
3 likesToo bad he can't fix this mistake, so there is no way to redeem himself anymore.
2 likesEmplemon was so wrapped up in the thought that YouTubers were emotionless money hungry fools he forgot that sometimes some people upload for the sake of informing and fun.
127 likesHe found his way out of a downward spiral of thought.
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Faking depression and using suicide stunts for money and views by manipulating your young fans is not getting out of a downward spirial
2 likes@PooDoo DrillDick No, it was what's happened after being buried in constant hate from a toxic fandom and subculture. I'm not saying it's ok. What he did was awful. I'm just not surprised. You'd be a lot less cheerful and friendly too after having your proverbial tree shaken constantly for so long.
30 likes👏 That's how I always saw BTM, as a kind of iffy YouTuber with good heart and a stolen Game Theory intro spiel, and it made me sad when people hated on him so systematically.
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My favorite spoon
7 likesWhat are you doing here regit
2 likesThat’s surprising
2 likesI was on my way to think this way, but I myself was too naive to think that. Coming back on it with a more matured and grown mind compared to before, BTM reminds me a lot of myself. A fucking idiot who was just doing what they loved. I really wish I can go back and be blissful while watching his videos, because at the same time I watched the BTM video by Emp last year, and bandwagon'd with him to hate BTM. I regret doing that.
12 likesI just hope Behind the Meme doesn't have his life affected by this, and I hope he turns into an ERB type channel, doing what they do without anyone interfering. He deserves it.
Regit same
2 likesThat's why "BTM shouldn't take our joy of knowing memes that normies don't" doesn't make sense, they coped with bullying by being bullies themselves
4 likesthank you spoon
1 like@bonk polandball ftw
1 likeHe didn’t deserve all that hate and harassment everyone gave him
0 likesThe only people worthy of hatred are those who are truly evil.
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EA CEO?
15 likes@Yowatsapp 05 lmao no
2 likesin the far-off background, the pauls DABS ON DEM HATERS
1 likeEa sports?
0 likesYowatsapp 05 PewDiePie isn’t evil though.
1 like@Disguised Are you for real dissing his anime liking unironically?
1 like@Eros That's how chains of abuse and bullying start
0 likesLooks like his reverse psychology worked on you emp
1496 likesNah we are all humans no matter what we do, it’s important to understand and forgive people
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I don't forgive Logan Paul for exploiting suicide I don't forgive BTM either.
25 likesThat pfp goes along with the comment lol
1 like@It's Me Veronica how tf does a pepe goes along with a wholesome commment?
8 likesThis is amazing to witness
If youre not a robot dont have pepe as your pfp
2 likes@Blaster .M pepe is a simbol for peace and love
14 likesI dont forgive anyone because im an angry spiteful asshole.
1 likeGuess who still rocks out to Nickelback and borrows his parents computer. 🖒This guy🖒
0 likesHello other pepe
0 likesI can't take you seriously when you use a comma splice.
0 likes@PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming Animal Crossing
0 likes@Adrian J. I think what Logan Paul did was a mix of ignorance, being in the wrong mental state, and of course narcissism.
0 likes@smile What if I'm a filthy /b/eaner?
0 likesWhat should we forgive behind the meme for nothing he didn’t do anything in the first place
0 likesThe thing is, he was serious.
267 likesHe was depressed, and he was suicidal.
But he spoke to professionals, and was able to fight it.
He then made these videos to reenact what happened, ending with what could’ve happened, to raise awareness.
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No, he was showing that because he was constantly bullied by people online.
7 likes@Luke Bennett Yes, and that might probably be the cause of what Parzival was trying to point out.
48 likesLuke Bennett and what? You think cyber bullying can’t cause depression?
44 likesLuke Bennett Answer the damn question.
9 likes@Luke Bennett answr
5 likes@Luke Bennett because you never answered
9 likes@Luke Bennett You still haven't answered tho.
6 likes@Luke Bennett ANSEWERR
3 likes@Luke Bennett answer the god damn question
5 likes@Luke Bennett But will you answer the question tho?
1 like@LogarithmGames When did I say that? I cannot answer a question that I don't know the answer to, I do not remember this video. Period.
1 like@Luke Bennett ANSWER THE QUESTION
3 likesLuke Bennett But ya gonna answer the question anytime?
2 likesLucas Urquiza Since uhh Luke won’t be answering the question allow me to do it. Cyber bullying can cause depression, Hell in all honesty during the drama I think behind the meme was depressed, but after he recovered he made those videos to show people that could’ve happened, Luke it was that fucking easy to answer my friend
1 like@Luke Bennett p sure im the first guy to say this but you didnt answer the question
1 like@Jayden's Lap top I simply dont remember the video, please, tell me how I can answer something that I don't know how to answer. Its so so so so so simple.
0 likes@Jayden's Lap top I replied in a douchebag manner because it is obnoxious, whether you are kidding or not. I do not even remember replying to this main comment, and you guys are asking me to answer?
0 likes@Luke Bennett they want to know if you don't think cyberbullying can cause depression, I think
2 likesLuke Bennett JUST ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION! Plz
0 likesLol, just turn the screen off
0 likesLuke Bennett Are ya going to answer the question anytime soon?
0 likesDid he ever Awnser the question
0 likesI love your videos so much, you seem so genuine in every analysis you do. Appreciate ye and rang that bell
247 likesI never hated BehindTheMeme or his content (I'm not saying I like it either) in the first place, which is very satisfying that EmpLemon of all people are being nicer to him. Let's hope this can continue on.
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It's like the whole "Mr Enter" video all over again. People began to apologize to Mr Enter as it came to light that he was harassed by a lot of people.
8 likesHanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance.
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Septagram how many razors are there? Like we talking 3-4 or 5-6 because I got some hairy legs and occam’s razor broke partway through my first way
48 likesShould we purge him then, and not give him time to improve, or is ignorance a disease you can't change?
1 likeTell that to the commentary community.
13 likes"Yes, he stuttered twice and his video is over ten minutes long, that must be a way to obtain more money."
Damn, I wish more people saw this video...
6 likesI was pretty upset seeing that Emp hated BTM back in the day. I genuinely enjoyed BTM's videos, and knew he was genuine and loved what he did. No malicious intent behind it. He thought the videos were helpful and good, and he thought he was actually raising awareness for suicide. The videos might not have been top-tier content, but they were good enough for what they did, and honestly, my content isn't exactly the greatest either, but I love making videos here and there.
Naive, incompetent, ignorant, whatever you wanna call it... he was just trying to make memes more accessible for people, like my family members who always saw me laughing at memes and were feeling left out and dumb for not being able to understand them like I did. He explained the memes far better than I could, and then we were all able to laugh at the memes.
The hate for BTM was unwarranted and egregious. Glad Emp was able to come to his senses, and I wish more people had done the same. Doxxing is not acceptable, and hardly anything warrants it, especially of this nature.
I think it was just a product of the time. Wrong place, wrong time. BTM was an unfortunate victim.
I still think the term "Normie" has lost all meaning. I think its what people say to feel stronger and better than someone else
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Always has been
6 likes@Bottom text 😫🔫😎
0 likes@Bottom text lol
0 likesOk Normie
0 likeslies
0 likes>BehindTheMeme's sheer incompetence has convinced me of his innocence.
290 likesI love this
Saddest thing is that there's people that are against cancel culture yet proceed to defend the hate against BTM. Let the man grow, for fuck sake.
9 likesEmpLemon?? with a heart??? now he has completely lost it... for the better :)
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Heyyy della i didnt know you were meme enthusiast. Fyi i love your god sent mashups
3 likesPlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming
15 likesmy third eye has opened
The downward spiral continues.
7 likesA MAD MAN!!!!!!
1 likePerhaps EmpLemon has found it.
18 likesMaybe it's not a downward spiral, it's an upside-down upwards spiral.
16 likesSkitteringCow yeah
0 likesDella's Mashups
7 likesEmpLemon had a heart for Leafy too.
You just have to rewatch the documentary.
And following our will and wind
1 likeWe may just go where no one's been
We'll ride the spiral to the end
And may just go where no one's been
Spiral out, keep going
Upward spiral
1 likeEmpLemon was always empathetic with people, he was one of the few people I've seen defending Leafy in any shape or form
2 likesSo you seen EmpLime's video?
0 likesdidn’t expect to see you here
0 likesEmplemon always had a heart though
0 likesDella's Mashups downward spiral man
0 likes7「STAND」 DAD
1 likewhere did i sound butthurt lol
Eh... Too late to even fix this mess.
0 likes"Hurt" is a song by American industrial rock band Nine Inch Nails from their second studio album, The Downward Spiral (1994).
0 likesWhat separates a EmpLemon from a Paul Logan is that they're willing to admit what they did wrong and accept humility. He could have easily left BTM to the wolves but instead stands up for him.
36 likesIt is kind of ironic.
5 likesOur hatred for the way YouTube has changed has destroyed the last piece of its former self.
The piece that just wanted to make videos for the sake of making videos, not concerned with money, fame, or attention.
This was the day YouTube TRULY died.
The light had been completely depleted, and now all we can do is just pick up the pieces.
RIP Behind the Meme:
“The last genuine Youtuber.”
It's been ages since the BTM drama and I remembered it today. I remember your insensitive video where you called him a "normie" like a pathetic child and acted like he was some kind of war criminal. But now, you accept your mistakes and you also accept BTM for who he is, which I'm happy about :D. You've become more mature, just as I'm sure BTM has.
8 likesThis video, in my opinion, is where the old YTP EmperorLemon ends and modern documentary maker EmpLemon begins.
17 likesHanlon's razor:
80 likesNever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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possibly copied comment police 👮♀️👮♀️🚔🚔🚨🚨weeee wooooo 🚨🚨
0 likesI'm loving Emplemon's character development
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lol
2 likesit's sad to see a bad execution being seen as bad motives
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On YouTube these days, it's hard to tell what anybody's motives are. It's kinda sad. I do hope BTM is able to cope with the backlash.
1 likeBad execution is still bad, however, he can be forgiven
2 likesConclusion: BehindTheMeme was never a bad guy, he just made bad content and bad decisions. He was also a bit of a dummy.
10 likes“Was so unbelievably Poorly Executed “
1309 likesNice pun
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Beeenyot
1 likeSeriously, stop it
3 likesI see god has entered the comment section
8 likesWhy I'm I suddenly seeing you on every video I watch?
5 likesHello again
1 likeHey, I found you in the comment section again. Nice
0 likesLol, too soon
0 likeso o f
1 likeIt’s Shädman 2
1 likeHello there
0 likesI don't get it...
1 likeelaborate?
The YouTube community just...broke him. He was so normal and now he’s just completely lost it. Really shows the effect that extreme amounts of hate and doxxing for talking about the history of memes can do
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They broke him…
0 likesThey damaged his sanity… thanks to them harassing and bullying him…
This issue is really hurting my brain but here's the best input I can say:
59 likesPros: Hes a good and genuine guy on the inside, who wants to make people happy without any issues at all. He made behind the meme to explain ("explain") memes to people who just wanted to know. And theres nothing wrong with that. While he was doing these videos, it seems he was able to get his truth out about how he felt about the deep issues people had with his channel, and I respect him for that.
Cons: the videos were fucked up, ok? Whenever I watched them, it genuinely concerned me to see this dude drinking alcohol and crying about how he has almost no life. Call me stupid, call me gullible, I dont care. Those videos genuinely had me confused and they were COMPLETELY unexpected from this dude. He knows that young children watch his videos, and he made a FAKE SUICIDE. It was really unnecessary, and in my opinion, he was doing this for gasp attention.
(summary) In my opinion, he could've tried to make a more mature video, or found a better way to reignite his channel. Over this issue, I feel no anger that he did all of this. But Im glad that hes ok and that this dude didnt actually do something like this. I hope after this incident he can make his channel better and I hope that his or any channel for that matter ever fakes a goddamn suicide again.
Thank you.
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Negativepicksal "The Most I Have!" Kids looking at inappropriate memes is enough. Why would they watch him, I thought it was a dead channel?
0 likes“Be careful what you do, because the lie becomes the truth”
68 likes-Michael Joseph Jackson
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oof
2 likesYou’re definitely one of the best youtubers on this platform. I like how you admit that you’re wrong or able to be criticized.
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The level of readiness a person has to admit when they're wrong is one of, if not the most accurate metrics of assessing said person's intelligence.
0 likesBecause being wrong or ignorant about / to something and conceding that the person showing them they're wrong that you are indeed wrong is literally HOW WE LEARN. I've an IQ of 187 (wechsler scale) which is EXTREMELY high but if I were the opposite type of person (there are a fuckload of these people) to double down and press their wrong opinion even harder when proven objectively wrong: I would be an absolute dumb-cunt...
I admire you, Emp. The world needs more people like you ❤
I forgot BehindTheMeme was a thing to begin with.
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Same.
19 likesBargomorphic same
1 likeI think pretty much everyone did
12 likessame
1 like.emaS
1 likeHoly shit. This comment fucking exploded. Ecks Dee
4 likesSame here
0 likesDeadthony Memetano here
1 likeYes same
0 likesBargomorphic now you know
0 likes911 likes Illuminati Confirmed!!1!
0 likesI NEVER hated this guy, I knew he was doing this meme thing just to make people happy
9 likesOne time, I felt like becoming a Normie more than an Outsider because of how Outsiders are just toxic people who treat Normies bad just because they aren't up-to-date with memes. Normies, on the other hand, are just regular people who stumbled upon the other side of the internet and liked the memes.
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We should remember, all of us started as normies
6 likesI am a Normie and I appreciate you not hating us Tobey.
2 likes+1000 respect. That BehindTheMeme video was the first thing I ever saw from this channel; I couldn’t even finish the whole thing because it just felt too nasty, spiteful and arrogant. I never even liked BehindTheMeme, but it reminded me of those awful videos from Leafy or GradeAUnderA where they just bashed some dude who didn’t know any better.
7 likesI recently rediscovered this channel because I saw “There will Never Ever be a another driver like Dale Earnhardt”, in my recommendeds, and despite not caring at all about NASCAR, I clicked on it on a whim. Without a doubt, one of the best YouTube videos I’ve ever seen. I’ve since watched a few more of EmpLemon’s videos, and they all have a similar level of detail and professionalism, although perhaps not always the same passion. Regardless, this is a good channel; but I still had reservations about EmpLemon, because I hadn’t forgiven him for that BehindTheMeme video.
Then I saw this. I clicked on it.
I no longer have any reservations about calling this channel one of my favorites.
So BehindTheMeme was the good guy the whole time. I should've known.
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He was never the good or bad, he was always the fool in this story.
56 likesNot "good guy," but I'm glad that Empy finally has come around to agreeing with the detractors of his first video (and with me, much of his channel) that it was getting so cynical that it was illogical and not everyone who makes mistakes is a coniving money grubber.
24 likesShould have? It has been a year. That is a massive understatement.
3 likes@Kaveh Shily He's not really a fool, he's pretty much of a victim who got surrounded by people who attacked him for doing something that is not wrong. He never did anything wrong aside from the crimes he already committed (aka faking his own death for the sake of attention like what the video discussed) so it was people who already did this themselves for successfully killed BTM, all because he's plagiarizing KnowYourMeme.com whereas memes already become a widespread phenomenon. The problem about the memes "dying" out is because it's repetitive and unfunny anymore so maybe a new meme can be created or discovered by either pop culture references or making any surreal context.
6 likes@Strigorvious Dregorous Well, everyone is morally grey which there is neither good nor bad. BTM is maybe a naive, obnoxious manchild, but he never deserves to be doxxed by the haters who always cared for memes. Just because he did a terrible job of his content, it doesn't mean he's a criminal or something. Memes lost its popularity or potential over time, and got milked for long by memers. And BTM was often a scapegoat for "killing off memes" which it's not really his intentions, but his real intentions: Explaining about the origins of memes. Period. (At least Lesson of Meme Culture did it better anyways)
1 likeAt the end, he kinda lost his mojos after the "incident" and quit YouTube which he haven't uploaded for a long time since those "skits" are tasteless and cringeworthy. Sure, it's his fault for making wrong decisions of ranting 4Chan and faking his own death but it's justified that the haters are coming for him.
Are you shiting me? Behind the Meme Rick-Rolled us? I thought he was legit depressed and I had heard that he had started putting cryptic messages and shit in his more recent videos. But he dooped us, and even if he had a good intention to raise awarness for suicide, he still made most of us think that he was actually in trouble, and I was actually ready to emotionally support him, despite the fact I hated him before. But now I'm even more confused on what I should do. Ima take your advice, Emp, and leave him alone. Outta sight, outta mind.
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At face value they are kind of convincing (until the OTT ass suicide ending that just seemed tasteless), so I can't fault people for being concerned. I personally immediately knew they were fake, but that's just cause i've seen the exact same pattern happen so many times already with other channels that it seems to be turning into some sick clickbait trend.
11 likesIn case you haven't heard of these, these are some notable recent examples of the same pattern: Mcjuggernuggets "killing" his dad in one video, then days later making an explanation that for the past few years his vlogs were completely scripted (which was actually justified since he is a well known sketch artist); KSI going completely radio silent on his channel for a few months, sometimes making vague statements on Twitter, before revealing it all to just be a promotion for his new single; singer Patrice Wilson making super cryptic, unsettling livestreams for a while before revealing they were "symbolic" of how bad he felt from all the hate, etc. etc. etc.
Honestly it's not getting any more convincing with someone like Behind the Meme doing it now. I bet Leafy will do the exact same thing soon.
What we need to do is to just kinda step away from all this and let him be
5 likesHe has a 2nd account called daily does of internet that actually gets views and money....... Don't even think he is the sorry sad puppy.
7 likes@Miss Kobe Yoshi He runs that account? I didn't realize.
0 likesOh he was legit depressed. He even said so in the follow-up.
0 likes"Rick roll" haven't heard that in ages
1 like@Miss Kobe Yoshi wait thats his cannel?
0 likesLooking back at this video and realising, that Emp basically says that BehindTheMeme isn't evil but just really stupid and incompetent
6 likesTbh, I never genuinely cared about what the guy was actually doing, that's why I didn't even know about these videos from him.
17 likesI'm guessing he was preparing this for a while and thought he was doing something that would get people to appreciate his efforts and also support a cause but it came out bad.
It's a very responsible act from you to make this video, not only to shield him from the outrage but to correct yourself.
Although Whatever he decides to do with his channel at this point probably won't be taken seriously anyway.
I have crazy respect for you, Emp. Thanks for being a really good voice of reason despite everything.
9 likesThanks for giving your two cents. Some people find it easier to just ride the hate train. You're good people for helping to correct that mentality.
10 likesThere's always more than one possibility for anything. When the one of the stereotype doesn't behave like the rest, you gotta think a bit more about their character/personality and tendencies, not just the obvious [possible] goals they may have
5 likesIt's funny how one of the only youtubers that has genuine good intentions is one of the most hated.
10 likesIn hindsight, I don't really feel as though Behind the Meme was just making his videos for money. I mean, most of his videos were under 10 minutes, so he couldn't have gotten much ad revenue from those videos in the first place. I legit feel as though he was just a normal guy that never even wanted to be this popular. Just imagine yourself running a small YouTube channel where you just make poorly edited videos, and suddenly one of your videos becomes really popular. How would you act? You have no prior experience with being put in the spotlight, so you will quickly be seen as somebody without any talent that has gotten known by sheer luck. This is the exact situation that Behind the Meme found himself in.
25 likesI don't actually feel as though EmpLemon has caused BTM to get all of this negative attention, though. If he didn't make his video addressing BTM, people would quickly realize how repetitive his videos were, and somebody else would have made a video similar to EmpLemon's.
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I think pyrocynical may have had something to do with it
0 likesIn a way (at least in my opinion), it's similar to how EmpLemon became popular with The Uncredibles back in the days when he still made YTPs. He made them for fun - not for ad revenue, but then he suddenly became popular in his genre (essentially overnight) and people started hating on him because of it.
1 likeHe is not a bad man, just a weak one.
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Boldi Kisfaludy ???
6 likesHonestly, I never really thought of him as a bad person. Sure, the suicide awareness tactics aren't much better than Logan Paul's stunt at the start of 2018, but I never felt like he deserved the mockery and derision he was getting and it would have been much better to maintain civility in cases like this. Largely the reason why when I made a now-unlisted (but mirrored if you're interested) commentary on TheMysteriousMrEnter, I made it a point not to antagonize him too harshly, as he is a rational-minded person regardless of what I think of him.
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Yeah I really dont understand why people hated him so much in the first place. Yes his videos were poorly research and kinda ehh, but that's no reason just to go bash some guy say shitty stuff, there just damn memes of all things.
19 likesBrainulator9, you're possibly the most rational person I've seen in the entire comments section of YouTube.
4 likes@Johnjohncar Yeah, I agree.
2 likes@EGM Why, thank you so much!
2 likesHumility is but a path to being a better YouTuber.
2 likes@Ray Venkman Agreed.
0 likesThis whole thing went full circle. It could be a cool story for a book or movie
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The Memist Truce
9 likesA nice person getting destroyed by people that see his actions as despicable, but then one of his actions cause their view of him to turn around and be renembered as a guy who tried his best to make others happy. Sounds like the perfect drama
2 likesThis would never have happened if people tried to genuinely help him, as in actual help not insults.
2 likesWhat I can take away from this is: Separate his Videos from the guy himself. First Impressions definitely count, he didn't make that go well, but then there is redemption. Redemption is BTM's last hope to be better, and I will just leave him in peace.
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I looked BTM up the other day. He hasn't uploaded since 2018.
0 likesYou both are very similar. It is like naval sailors picking each other up after the ship is sunk. They, like you, have a common respect for these very similar people
8 likesFor those who didn't fully watch.
38 likesTL;DR
Behind the meme had good intentions, executed poorly.
The internet completely broke him
7 likesThis is what cancel culture could do to someone
warning long comment AND not positive towards EmpLemon. There’s a TLDR at the end
20 likesI love Behind The Meme
I don’t care if he made mediocre videos about the “holy memes” and everyone had to defend them.
I enjoyed his content. The videos where he was pretending to slowly kill himself scared me, even though it was kinda obviously fake. But just because it was fake didn’t mean he didn’t feel that way sometimes.
Like, I’m a little weakling and get emotionally attached to things easily.
Watching a video about someone bashing on this man doing what he loved made me sad and angry that he was getting hate.
Then suddenly he just stopped uploading and I got sad I couldn’t watch his content anymore.
I was there since the beginning and I watched him disappear.
Definitely made me have an angry, unwavering bias towards you, EmpLemon. I just hope people stop hating on him. Not a single person is perfect at all. Everyone has a flaw.
BehindTheMeme legit is like “Lol look at this picture. I wanna know more about it! Lemme tell everyone about the history of this picture”
Also, why is no one seeing that this man is gonna be a SAVIOR in the future when kids have to study and research memes for history class? Like he’s going to have a full video, full of not too distracting stuff telling them about the meme?
TLDR: Please don’t hate of BehindTheMeme. I kinda have a negative bias towards EmpLemon. BehindTheMeme is a cool guy who’s going to help kids with meme research in 100 years
Edit: his last video wasn’t the best but it kinda just goes to show he is sorta not knowing what he’s supposed to do to fit in
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Ignorance, Fraud and Insecurity are terrible... BehindTheMeme is gruesome and EmpLemon is just orthodox, who now feels sympathetic. It is like a mediocre EU4 player essaying to explaining PhD economics, it is poor and fake.
1 likeFINALLY SOMEONE REALIZED
6 likesBehindTheMeme always did the videos from heart, in fact his very first video was made because he wanted people to know the origins of Harambe after seeing others not catching up with the joke.
He has been one of the most genuine YouTubers every and received stupid hate just for explaining jokes, or teaching where they came from.
He always said that he had a great love for making videos so when the series came out it was obviously fake. After all, in every video in the series the description was always in third person.
Did we just find a dead meme in a suicide forrest?
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A Meme Insider comment with one like? What a rare occurance.
140 likesnyeh
11 likesget a verified badge
61 likesY'all wanna see a dead meme?
21 likesEmp comments on his own videos
13 likesSuicide? You mean the Pewdiepie meme genocide forest?
13 likesMeme Insider hey buddy you’re almost 10 months too late
0 likesYou genius
0 likes666 likes o fuk
1 likeWalked in the woods. Found a dead meme found a dead meme
2 likesNow that's a pretty meme, EXQUISITE.
0 likesYUP
1 like@firegnat00 OnE lIkE
0 likes@PaneledPear6555 Look, man, it had one like when I replied.
2 likeshaha get it???
2 likesbeca because logan and haha
and the forest situation
funny & relevant xD!
hey kids, wanna see a dead meme?
1 likeMeme Insider forest
2 likesYes, yes we did.
0 likes...
0 likesExcept Emp didn't laugh about it like how Logan Paul did when he found the dead body.
0 likesbravo
0 likesMeme Insider Dead meme
0 likesProf. Tor Coolguy its нет
0 likes1*5.3*10^3 likes you mean.
0 likesThe fuck is a forrest
0 likesOh no.
0 likes@N'gasta Kvakis it's a place fir rest (badum tsss)
0 likesDude bring the camera, let’s go.
0 likesLogan Paul: its free real estate.
0 likesYUUP
0 likes@Meme Insider, memes die, I know that.
0 likesLmao
0 likesWas that logan paul's video or btm video?
0 likes@firegnat00 check again
0 likesYeet
0 likesYesqq
0 likesmost likely.
1 like6.9k likes nice
0 likesGood one
0 likesYes.
0 likesThanks emplemon. You're a good example of believing people have good intentions, even though you weren't at first, but thanks for expressing yourself.
5 likesDude, you drove him off the internet.
13 likesI'm so genuinely glad that you have decided to share your opinions on some of these things
8 likesIt's very hard for genuine truths to come out nowadays, a long time ago we could had been much much more trusting, now it's just a coin toss to even trust ur family, what a cruel world
2 likesNormally I just have a vague interest in the people I follow,
2 likesbut you, you earned my respect
You only just now realized that he's a naive guy with good intentions? I've been trying to tell people that for years
6 likesHad to like this because realizing a mistake you made is something I had to do recently, and it hits me because it takes a lot to do that, so much respect Emp. This is what I sub for
3 likesIt seems that you forgot the most important part: "why talk about depression?". It's pretty obvious that he actually was depressed, and thought about killing himself, that being the whole reason behind that series of videos. People cope with depression in very different way, some being almost unable to do anything because "why bother" and some others turn their depression onto creative drive. It may seem like a bad series because he is not really going to kill himself, looking like he's mocking us, but what he really is doing is say in a public manner that he really was having real suicidal thoughts, and this was his way of coping with the depression (which he actually told in the explanation video, that you don't really seem to have seen, nice).
2 likesThe videos are not even bad, and, are extremely genuine from a subject wise standpoint. He really nails the mentality tied with depression, showing his actual understanding of it.
So yes, his videos were bad, but this last series was genuinely well made, and showed the deep thoughts of BTM as a person, thing that he actually tells in his explanation of the whole series (have you even seen it before making this video?).
As your first video bashing him, this one is mediocre at best. You have great content, but failing to understand the point of the whole video shows that you didn't even tried to understand what BTM was talking about. In general, you say that he supposedly kills himself and the suicide attempt sounds fake, no shit sherlock, and supposedly that makes the videos bad.
You turn the whole narrative in your favor, from a guy's depression coping method to supposedly a guy that wanted attention by making videos of him faking his death because he just wanted attention.
You first send an army of mindless followers that end up doxing him and shitting all over his content because "ugh normie, my memes, ugh look at me I'm not a normie but he is and normies are bad, look at me I know memes because I went to 4chan once in my life haha I'm such a troll", ending up with the guy in question entering a depression, to reappear time after by making light of that subject matter, just to get the same guy that caused it to turn the narrative in his favor and making look like the bad guy in this whole story.
Seriously EmpLemon, you have good content, even great content, so why do you not put as much effort in videos of this style as you do in your good content? You can do better than not understand the point of a series of videos, bash the person who created it (again) because you didn't understand the point of it, make the creator the "bad guy" while talking with an attitude of superiority (which was an attitude also present in the first BTM video).
Im right there with you. Sometimes have good intentions, however their actions seem to be taken, we can have some level of empathy. Yet people will take a closer look at him now to see if hes fake or not, so hes not completely dissolved for his clueless actions. I dont hate him but hes got a strike 1 for me. Great content and commentary Emperor.
1 likeTo quote your LeafyIsHere video, "You build up an entire channel, an entire audience doing one thing, and then you just go ahead and do a completely different thing."
14 likesEvery time I think of the current state of BTM, I always keep this in mind, because a major reason why his videos keep on getting hate these days is because the enough is enough video. Now, all of a sudden, BTM's videos about "depression" blew up, and considering the guy's history, many of his enemies won't take him kindly anymore.
Then, all of a sudden, you made a video defending him, mostly because of his incompetence. While most people, myself included would agree, I had the feeling that the ten-year olds wouldn't, and they would still keep on shitting on him and maybe ignore this video, hell, maybe even get pissed on you switching sides.
Let's not forget that you didn't hate BTM, he just needs to do a better job.
alsowhydoesthisremindmeofzero'sdeathinmegamanx5Nice to see there's a genuine dude under all those memes
3 likesIn this day and age it's important to remember the aphorism of Hanlon's razor:
1 like"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
Genuinely so happy to see Emp feeling bad for behind the meme, I was never much of a fan but didn’t hate btm but I really wanted to see Emp be defending someone as well as calling them out
1 likeWow. Wow. I want to be like both of you. I want to be genuine, honest and motivated by fun and passion in videos. I want to be able to correct myself, and be humble. I want to be patient, and think. Both of you guys are awesome. This video has taught me this.
1 likeFrom the sounds of it he was trying to make the viewer see how bad depression could get
4 likesI haven't seen the video's but I always liked him he was happy and just wanted to know the history of memes and share it with people
I miss 2008 Youtube now.
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I miss the early 2010s in general. I don't remember the world being this sad of a place now.
62 likesMr Spectacals because we all died in 2012 remember
44 likes+Jaxon Moreno Eh. According to Prince we were supposed to die after 1999.
9 likesI miss the late 2000s and early 2010s, where everything wasn't so political and people weren't so judgemental and hateful. I used to feel like the internet could be a safe haven for me to truly be myself. Goddamn people ruin everything.
47 likes@Mr. Spectacals The world has always sucked. It is just more easily heard of now.
12 likesI miss 2008 in general
6 likes@Mr. Spectacals It wasnt as sad back then because you were younger, or it is probably that case for me
7 likesCYBERPUNK 2077
2 likesBut i miss 2009
2 likes@Mortchen I'm just gonna say it... NORMIES RUINED THE GODDAMN INTERNET!
5 likesY'all noticed when "normies" (aka people who live according to whatever is popular regardless of its quality or having any substance at all) had a regular use for the internet (facebook and all that vapid brainless shit) mainstream and online culture started going into a DOWNWARD SPIRAL?
Yep fam I said it, the sheep majority ruin everything that thrives on individuality by imposing their vapid values on everyone else by power of sheer numbers, quantity over quality being the defacto rule of law versus quality... and you get mediocrity and just a shitty way of doing things, a broken system in general for people.
You're welcome for the EmpLemonesque analysis of modern society and what sped up its downfall.
And this is why the term "normies" will never truly die, it resonates with our reality in a way that will never leave it truly outdated, there will always be people who live just to follow others into the grave, and people who want to be free to be their own individual selves without being harassed by perfect serfs for not being part of the herd following the shitty soundcloud rapper/pornstar gone famous/obnoxious people pandering to kids shepherds and will naturally feel repelled by people collectively wasting their entire potential by revering pure mediocrity making bank off their emotional baggage.
4 likesDon't even get me started on billions of people watching some grown dudes run around a field chasing a ball for 90 minutes, 85 of them just passing a ball to each other and call it entertainment, if a movie had the same people doing the same shit over and over again interspersed only by fleeting moments of real action that would be a 1/10 box office bomb, yet they get real sensitive when you try to tell them exactly what they're actually mindlessly doing and how much of a waste of life that seems, they get really upset for finding that out... but they don't seem to change, maybe they don't now what else to do and they'll just wallow in mediocrity for the rest of their lives to the grave, forever watching athletic dudes living their dream and getting paid and laid while their (in comparison) sad pathetic asses get fatter and fatter, get into unfulfilling marriages and whatever else bad ideas they can come up with just because someone else is. Not even doing the thing that they're watching clearly more successful people doing, because you're just that pathetic. Or following some pathetic rolemodel like some fake gangsta or some bimbo with plastic everything and the epitome of fakeness. Don't want to sound like an edgelord or anything but the more you think about it in depth, from an impartial view the sadder and meaningless it all becomes. Who said humans were anything special? The ones that made all the amazing tech we use and take for granted are and all the advancements for us are, and we're just being carried by them, but 99 out of 100 are just coasting in life, with nothing truly special or meaningful to do.
Mr Spectacals
0 likesPrince Ea ?
😁
I know!
0 likes@Mortchen Oh it was definitely political back then as well. That's just something that won't end until the human race is gone.
2 likes@mtj no we didnt
1 like@Fancy Pepe You really sound aggressive to talk bravely but you're not wrong anyway. Most of the people with little to average IQ always wanted to seek out for something greater out of their expectations. But they realized that all of their expectations are nothing but lies because they are crossing in the wrong path -- a road to hopelessness. They believe that they're smart but all of their knowledge are nothing but illusions, so they wasted their whole lives trying to work out on something greater, but they did this the wrong way. Blaming on people who are successful and normal like a human being. Although, everything what humans did is not about what they did or what they actually experienced in the past, it's not about men chasing a ball for 90 minutes or getting bullied by the society for the way they look or the way they feel. IT'S THEM! They foolishly did themselves for the sake of their personal gains. For the "normies", they should take some responsibilities and improve their potential as humans. Not everyone is perfect but not everyone can be awful, too. Pathetic people like SJWs have a sad life because they are failures who got so jealous of someone's success that they wanted to ruin everything to get their opportunity. It's like a greedy miner looking for gold to catch but after taking every risk, he finds out that the gold doesn't exist and he died when it turned out that he went to the wrong cave.
1 likeAfter all, these people failed as a human being.
@Fancy Pepe I am a Normie and I have even found EMP Lemon. We are taking over.
0 likesYeah, same
0 likesSame
0 likesthe dude went on a downward spiral
2 likesas a person who suffers from depression and has tried suicide (and failed), i think its pretty fucked up from him to do that shit.
Thank you so much, Emplemon. It is nice to see all of us admitting our mistakes in our pasts. You are better than most youtubers with admitting your mistakes. Thank you..
0 likesHe's a man, he makes mistakes.
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We all do
0 likes'tis a big one tho. But I agree.
0 likesNot alot of people have the heart to defend the person that they opposed, this is a person that has my loyalty
1 likeEven though he's a bit naive, Behind the meme didn't do it for fame and money. I respect him for that
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Wubbulous67 or did he
12 likesEhhhhhhhh, I don't know about that chief. But I don't think we will ever know. I choose to think he's a bit dense. So being dense can explain either side of the argument. Both aeguments are stupid. "He did it for fame." "No he did it to raise awareness but did it in a stupid way."
31 likesYea, both arguments aren't that good.
That's even worse imo
1 likeWubbulous67 that’s why he monetized his rip Robbie rotten video
1 likeHe monetized his stefan karl tribute video....
1 likeYou're a good guy, Emp. Really. That took stones. Thanks for setting us all a good example!
0 likesfor all the hate he's just a normal good dude, he got way to much hate and didn't deserve all the hate, he just loved teaches us about memes and now because he's gotten so much hate that is ruined now that happiness is gone
3 likesThis is just unethical , for the first time in my live I'm just speechless , I think by actually showing compassion here you are doing the right choice emperor
1 likeYou really could have worded this better. You basically spent a third of the video calling him stupid, not enough time talking about your responsability in this situation.
10 likesWow.
1 likeThe BehindTheMeme video was the first thing of yours I ever watched, and to see you defend him...
This is actually rather inspiring.
Good on you EmpLemon, setting a great example for internet shitlords of all kinds.
All of this because the meme community harshly dehumanized on him on the first place. Only if the haters hadn't been so blinded by this pointless and ignorant war on "normies", all of this could've been avoided. The innocent and apparently clueless entertainer that was behind that channel is finally showing up now, unfortunately in the worst way possible; but it's about time we apologize.
2 likesI love the fact that if something DID happen to BTM, emp was gonna be blamed, as if all of his fans were mind controlled by ya boy with no free will and decision making skills of their own.
2 likesThank you. This is what I've thought the whole time. We really should spare people with good intentions from hate and save it for actual bad people. I never really believed he killed memes anyway.
0 likesWe gotta remember that he is a human no matter what he does
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Eh, who gives a shit.
31 likesEdit: Actually, you’re right, he’s still a person, who has feelings. Even though he’s one of the worst channels on YouTube, and he’s killed multiple memes, he is still a person.
Oh hi, just saw you in that just2good vid
1 likeOk so I actually really love everything about this analysis and response
3 likesHe's not real, he's CGI
0 likesK
0 likesI enjoy memes in an ironic sense, and I respect the meme community, but people take things a little too far when it comes to memes.
3 likesAnd you're a frog.
0 likesWhat did he do again? Allegedly kill memes? They're just memes, at the end of the day. What he's been doing isn't worthy of the calibur of hatejerk against him.
5 likeskremit the frog Queue “Human After All” by daft punk
0 likesYou sure?
0 likes@Thundaga The worst that it does is messing with the meme economy, but it's not as important as the actual economy.
0 likesMan’s desperate for attention after losing his channel. He got fame, because his content looked promising. But he got arrogant and lazy, like a lot of us, and gave up on improving his content to keep an audience via quantity. I can see why he reacted this way, and I hope he recovers from this. (Him as a person, not the meme review videos. They can burn in a bonfire for all I care).
0 likesHitler was also human
0 likesRapist are also human
But he only killed memes, and its not as bad as the first 2 examples. If anything just move on and forget about his content and what he did, and if he really has depression then the most anyone can do is direct him and his loved ones to professional care.
Have a nice day.
@Cosmic Memer Well Hitler and people like him, have there reasons for doing bad, and he was doing it to benefit Germany (he just did it using irrational means). And some people do bad things because of mental health issues.
0 likesStill doesn't excuse his actions.
0 likesIm only human after all
0 likesIm only human after all
dont put the blame on me.
I actually agree, he is human too.
0 likesARE YOU SURE DADDY
0 likeshow did he upload the video then?
0 likes*was a human
0 likesMark Mckenna I understand that, but according to society’s moral codes, he is “evil”. Being human isn’t a excuse.
0 likeskremit the frog actually i want to change that, Jimmy Savile was human, both BehindTheMeme and Jimmy Savile made shitty shows to lure children to them.
0 likesIt was surprising to see you defend him, even after the video. I can respect that.
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And it's on this note that I have to say, this video can somewhat exonerate you from Leafy's fate. Through this, you've proven you are willing to accept your mistakes and GROW as a person, something Leafy never did.
1 likeI always knew BTM meant good. That’s why I stuck with him through it.
16 likesBehind the meme should see this video. I know for a fact that he would cry in jot because you actually forgave him. Like dam this video was pretty deep.
7 likeshonestly, i seriously have to appreciate you making this. most youtubers just wouldn't give the slightest of care to other users.
0 likesEvery video you put out deserves a clap. I always feel like it needs more than a like.
3 likesI also start to feel sorry for my opponent when I win this hard in an argument.
1 likeMajor respect for EmpLemon that was really mature of you, man. I love your videos I love how you’re defending the guy even though his videos may be corny!
0 likeson one hand, behind the meme is a shithead who deserves to be bashed on but on the other hand we all on the internet understand how it feels to be bashed to oblivion. I could never defend the actions btm did but I do relate with the constant hate and do feel sorry for him. The thing that makes me feel better about this however is the idea that he put this on himself. Sure you could argue that Anthony is in the fault by calling him out thus starting this whole ordeal but it wasn't really Anthony or Emp's videos about btm that killed him, it was btm's response videos that killed him. If he got off his soap box and actually tried to take the criticism given to him and improved apon himself, then he would have had no where near the conflict that still stands today. My philosophy is online, you can't hide from criticism and you can't deny it and why should you! Criticism has always been about how you could improve yourself. I don't think all the hate that btm got was valid criticism however he did receive some and did nothing to improve himself with it. I know that the internet won't give him a second chance but if he were to somehow get that shot at redemption, I hope he tries to improve himself instead of what he did last time. Emp I hope you have a wonderful day and I hope this doesn't give you a hard time. And for the people who are confused saying I support btm, I don't I hated him just like everyone else, I just would like to see him try to redeem himself.
4 likesNo earrape gotcha at the end? Just a heartfelt opinion?
791 likesDamn emp, I didn't see this coming.
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I'm kind of underwhelmed
2 likes400th like
0 likesEmplemon is having an upward spiral for once
5 likesHe actually digged his own grave by accident. Bravo Behind The Meme Bravo.
3 likesI just hope he found something out of the YT bubble and that hes doing great at it.
1 likeIt took like 2 years for you guys to realize he's an okay guy. Getting mad at someone who just makes meme reviews with no harmful intentions?
1 likeif that's the case, then i just feel bad for the guy, because half the internet just got sicced on him, and being the dummy that he is, he's just gonna dig himself an internet grave.
4 likes"It took me a year-and-a-half to realize that I was wrong." better than never <3
9 likesHuh... ya know, I can see where you’re coming from. It seems like his joy comes from entertaining others (granted he could put more research into his videos). Maybe the guy needs a friend, and hey, that friend could be any one of us. Instead of bashing him for doing something wrong, we should instead give him some pointers on how to improve it. He doesn’t seem to come across as an asshole at all, but it seems like he is more trying to find a way to fit in to a certain group. He reminds me of a younger me, the younger brother who wanted to join in with his older brothers and their friend whenever they did stuff like games and such. I don’t see any harm in leaving him out, so we should welcome him into the community with open arms.
2 likesIt was kinda nice having a genuine video like this with no mini YouTube poops and other memes scattered throughout. Glad to know that you have a conscience. Good on you.
0 likesEmpLemon: I've won, but at what cost?
12 likestook you a while to realize he wasn't doing it all just for the money but he was just naive about the whole youtube thing.
28 likesThat's why at first I didn't really understand the whole drama you started against him, I actually saw you as the attention-hoar for all this time, because you just came out of nowhere and attacked him.
I'm glad that you're not cynical about him anymore.
Ironically this reminds me of the SpongeBob video you made,
you are Squidward who hated on him and he was SpongeBob for a happy-go-carefree guy.
So basically Behind the Meme is really just some guy who walked down the wrong internet alley, and now hes making videos on memes that were buried a week ago. Hm. ...huh, I... feel peace in that idea.
11 likesReally big of you Emp. Much respect. Takes balls to counter your past self like this.
1 likeNever knew what was wrong with him... I actually learned alot of things from his videos
1 likeYou really are an amazing YouTuber. You don’t see every youtuber make a video defending there enemies.
0 likesYou know I feel bad for you, you make all this great content and then people start hating on you with long comments, well I'm proud of you! Keep up the good work emplemon!
0 likesMakes what is essentially an apology video for trashing BTM, original video still up and monetized with nearly 2 million views compared to this videos 250k.
4 likesDon't get me wrong I really enjoy your content Lemon, but during the whole thing where BTM (who I'm not particularly a fan of) was getting trashed I couldn't help but think to myself that the dude was harmless, just going about his business doing what he wanted to do.
It's times like that I really have to question what people's motives are. You trash a completely benign YouTuber for nothing meanwhile you're collecting ad revenue on it because we all know that drama and hate pieces get views. It's a pretty scummy thing to do.
Kudos to EmpLemon for realizing his mistakes in the past, even if I agreed with him.
0 likesThis story isn't about creator quality, content, or suicide, it's about bullying.
1 likeBullies target isolated, naive, loners. It's a weak and insecure thing to do.
I always thought hating the guy was childish in the first place. He wasn’t doing anything bad, all he’s ever done was make mediocre videos. Yeah they might ruin a joke by introducing younger and more naive people to it, but is that really that bad. I mean, they’re just jokes online.
2 likesGod damned morality, always getting in the way! Though really, thanks for being mature in the matter EmpLemon.
0 likesi always thought he was super genuine and just trying to make people happy, I hope he gets less hate.
0 likesI feel like behind the meme was just a dude who wanted to teach people about memes
4 likesThats how to act like an adult. You have my respect EmpLemon. Thats the only honor i can give you among side watching your stuff and being a subscrub.
7 likesThe hate for his content should not have been there in the first place.
9 likesthis is so sad, emplemon, play downward spiral
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Underrated comment.
25 likescue reverse endless stairs
26 likesALEXA.
0 likesLmao, now this how memes stay fresh
2 likes(muffled screaming)
3 likesi m s w e a t i n g l i k e i m i n a r a v e
2 likesI dunno, Its not like he used the original and like...changed it in a creative way. Thats what normies do right? Change things and be creative?
0 likesOh yeah I almost forgot. Alexa should play Despacito
0 likesok so basically im gote
0 likesTo see a meme youtuber that hides his heart, reveals his heart, makes this video one of his best videos.
0 likesHonestly, the guy made the best content he's made in years with those five videos. They were actually really good, if not downright better then what you make. Seriously, I hope he does more stuff like that because it really shows what he can do when not making watch mojoesq videos. And i hope you actually start making good content like that as well.
0 likes"He never did merchandise becuase he didn't like money" looking at emplemons home page where he is advertising his merchandise. Hmm
8 likesTbh i really dont hate the guy anymore all i really wanted was to see him make better meme reveiws
12 likesYou definitely have a sense of awareness most others will go through a life-time to never achieve.
152 likesBeing able to not only observe and sympathies like you did but also express it in a understandable way requires a high level of charisma.
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I think you mean Perception
10 likesEmpLemon is the king of minmaxing
0 likeswow , this is just the most needed video in this time period , in a period in which we see second motives beehind everything and in which we put these imaginary motief on a highter standard than the real ones , we are living in a word in which someone can accuse somebody else of faking depression ,whit minimalistic proofs, and get no backlash whatsowever , in a time in which everything is fake , and in which peole thake engoyment out of seeing other pepole getting criticized , i was to that side a long time ago but now i see the commentator should be at the same standard of the commentated if not even highter
4 likesGood on ya for taking the high road my guy. I was expecting the total opposite response so this was a good surprise.
0 likesOh my god this actually breaks my heart.
11 likesIt's sad that in cases like these, it takes showing genuine incompetence to prove there innocence, some good people look bad on the outside, and vise versa.
0 likesgame theory: is behind the meme a sociopath?
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Shane Dawson's next documentary series
23 likesBehind the Meme is Sans confirmed
20 likesThe Mind of Behind the Meme
2 likesIn all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if BTM was on the spectrum.
0 likesNo. Its "Film Theory: is Behind the Meme a sociopath?"
2 likesHe could have done this WAYYYY better. He could have made an entire video about suicide awareness, instead of this though. Still, this video changed my perspective on him. He had no clue and it's sad tbh
2 likesIn all seriousness, this was one of the most respectable and kind moves I have seen on youtube.
0 likesYour theory does seem valid. You have me believe that he's unaware of the mistake he made. However, whether a person is or isn't aware of their actions and the effect it will have on people, does not excuse the truth on how the action had on a larger scale. Behind the Memes might have good intentions, but the action was still bad. If someone were to break another person's arm and say that it's because that someone believes that it's good for people to break their arms, would that be acceptable? I don't know about you, but I don't think that is. That person should know that it's not okay to break people's arms, just as Behind the Memes should know that staging suicide is not a way to give awareness to mental health problems.
1 likeIf your theory is correct, and that Behind the Memes was really trying to raise awareness to mental health. Then I believe constructive criticism should be given.
As for the people who hate Behind the Memes because of his actions, I think they have every right to be angry at him. This is a topic that is really sensitive to a lot of people and even personal. Accurate representation of depression and messages for the people who are unaware or mental illnesses; is important to the people who have suffered through depression themselves. When someone stages suicide and say it's in an act to spread awareness, it could very well hurt the people who are depressed. 13 Reasons Why I think is a good example of what I mean.
Although I don't have personal experience with depression, I can relate to the raging feeling that these people feel about Behind the Memes' video. I have a sister who loves me very much, but she disrespects the people I love. She didn't change her behavior to these people until I expressed my hatred towards her. This caused a shock effect to her and she changed, though be it a slow change. I believe the same effect should be done to Behind the Memes. For having a video that feels mocking to the mental health minority, the minority and its allies should speak out on why this effects them. However harsh the voices speak.
Again. If your theory is correct, then I do believe that constructive criticism is deserving of the addition to personal feeling a person had towards the video. Whether it is the expected reaction from the mental health community, or the unexpected recation you have towards this guy.
It’s Basically just the April Fools episode of spongebob.
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Some Ginger Kid
3 likesGrow up
@Alberto C. Routwell no u
16 likesthat sandvitchman man
3 likesYou know it's a reffrence right?
Alberto C. Routwell lul
0 likesBTM really did "rip his pants" didn't he.
2 likesMr Spectacals
3 likesMr testicals i don't want to see that.
+Alberto C. Routwell You scared of balls?
1 like@A Gamer Lord? I could imagine hearing that in Joel's voice.
1 likeI feel in that episode that Spongebob deserved payback. First, he destroyed his property, second, he ruined his life and many others.
0 likes"april fools, jerk"
0 likesNo matter what he did, or how cancerous he may seem to show himself to be, we must remember one thing:
53 likesHe’s still a human, and deserves to be treated as a human.
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wrong
0 likesI watch Behind The Meme 5 part series and I'm going to say wow. He's went to great lengths to promote suicide awareness. I mean he's a great actor yes but his content fordiscussing memes is very corny.
0 likesCan I just say I love you man? I fucking remember when you made YTP's (cliche "I supported you before you blow up" comment I be) and you made like a 40 minute YTP for 100,00 subs, and now I love your analysis videos that dissect that shit out of subjects.
1 likeEven though he did something controversal, I find myself pitying him. I agree with Emp. I dont watch the guy, but i have no hate for the guy. Heres hoping he pulls his stuff together, not really his youtube carrer but mainly his real life.
0 likesThe series was always clearly staged, as prior to it's release he talked about how great he felt from taking a break from youtube. I also found the lines to be very obviously scripted. The titles and descriptions were not only reminiscent of the staged Psycho Series, but also heavily implied that each one was a different part of a story arc that has some meaning that would be revealed at the end. I find any sort of outrage caused by this to be completely ridiculous.
1 likeTop 10 anime plot twists
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YOOOO TF YOU DOIN HEREEEEE
2 likes👌T A R G E T A Q U I R E D👌
1 likeGabriel Barsch How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Digimon Tamers, The Simpsons, Pokemon Sun and Moon anime including Serena from X and Y, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby is pushed as a second Protagonist to go along with Diddy Kong.
3 likesImagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smokig pot with their friends
Love your vids Gabe!
0 likesAh yes, the og "commenter who is everywhere" guy.
1 likeGabriel Barsch Top 10 dead memes in 2018
0 likes# 2: The key to the chain was things that went down the bathtub drain - Saw.
0 likesOOFFFF
0 likesWho else but Gabriel Barsch
0 likeslmao i was gonna say that
0 likesmaybe
Lol
0 likesCARALHO UM BR QUE ASSISTE ISSO
0 likesah yes funni moodnes cumbat guy
0 likes@Linky eu também assisto isso
0 likesWow, that was actually really insightful of you, Emp. Kudos. :D
0 likesNever attribute to malice that what can easily be explained by incompetence.
1 likeI always liked BTM videos this guy seemed like a nice guy and I was surprised he got hate. I thought he described the meme's well, and while the voice he was using was kinda cliche it could have been him trying to just project his voice. I know his videos might not have the best editing I thought it went well with the whole explaining meme's idea.
0 likesThank you for reading this
i.e. you basically rallied up an unwarranted witch hunt on a guy who had a passion of wanted to entertain and educated where he made a fake suicide. And you feel regret, sounds logical to me.
2 likesI rememeber watching behind the meme back in the day and wondering why he was so hated all of the sudden. It was only last year that i figured out it was due to someone making a video about him. Now i know why. Granted i dont care as i out grew his content a month before shit hit the fan, but its baffling that all this went over my head...
0 likesIt's time to leave behind the meme behind.
12 likesYou did start it all.
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He did it by himself by attacking 4chan
2 likesAsk me I honestly feel like we fucked him up badly and that the life ending thoughts WERE there. You ever wonder why we all thought it was real? Because excluding the actual suicide video it felt real. He probably did go out to that point overlooking the freeway thinking those things.
1 likeIt'd make a lot of sense. I mean he did get his mom to defend him.
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you will never be in smash
14 likes@a a #JusticeForWaluigi
29 likesBronze M O M M A M E M E S
6 likesIt's terrifying how much the internet can destroy someone.
6 likesBehindTheMeme has been bullied for such a long time when his only crime was making popular videos that a lot of people didn't like. He was never spiteful or vindictive despite all the crap he got, to the very end.
2 likesAs nice a gesture as this is, it's too little too late.
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It's too true. However, I don't think Emp was making this video as a sort of apology, moreso as a way to show that he realizes how wrong he was, and that these vindictive attacks are wrong, full stop. I doubt Emp was expecting forgiveness. Alas, the damage was done.
0 likesThe internet is the most influencial thing that can change people emotionally and I'm annoyed by it, just millions of pixels in the comment section changed this guy's whole point of view
8 likesafter back to back watching basically 7 hours of your video today I must say this video impressed me the most of you as a person. Love all your videos and can't wait for your future ones.
0 likesI should have known better to actually trust the human equivalent of WatchMojo
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From the beggining I was shocked to see how many people were manipulated by btm
4 likesu r a ded meme jejeje
0 likesJosé Toyos You okay, mate? You did not touch BehindTheMeme, did you? Think that causes brain damage.
0 likes@tygonmaster I did, and I have what the doctors call "Stage 4 Super AIDS." It seems I have only a few months left to live.
0 likes@José Toyos I get that alot...
0 likesGood memes never truly die.
0 likesCrash BandiWoah I think there is a little AIDS in all of us at this point.
0 likesDull Bones Memes never die. They simply evolve into shitposts.
1 likeWas expecting some dumb goofy video. Got something genuine and sincere. :)
3 likesI cant help but respect a man's convictions. Good on you.
0 likesI could have told you that years ago...
1 likeI mean look at his "Draw My Life" sure you could say "He was lying the whole time to manipulate his audience" but if you use it as a context to why he actually stuck with the same format through all the hatred and even the doxxing of his mom(If I remember correctly) is because he didn't know anything else(may it be a video format on youtube or a decent job) that was successful and his life wasn't going to well otherwise.
It also seemed like he was so used to living on a modest budget that the adsence money was enough for him to not plug merch, sponsorships and heck he didn't collab not only that he hired an editor so he could deliver more content on adsence alone when he got big...
hey dude, i have watched your videos before when you only did YTP's. Didnt think much of the time until i started watching your recent videos like 'empty subs' 'meme theory' 'yt geographics' etc.
0 likesyour analysis videos and videos when you share your opinion and explain why you have that opinion are very well structured and entertaining videos.
I love how your attitude is that of early youtube, doing youtube for fun.
Bless you EmpLemon.
I would love to see a video where EmpLemon and Behind the Meme talk things out in a video.
1 likeThis is pretty deep
0 likesGlad to see youtubers actually mature
god damn, good job emp. You swallowed your pride and helped BTM.
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Well guess hes a normie now, meaning emps views on memes dont count anymore
0 likesThis whole Behind The Meme depression thing completely went over my head. I'll have to watch the videos (although I highly doubt I ever will), but I somewhat hope he wasn't that foolish. In any case, I personally do not believe in the noble cause, I think actions and effects always weigh more than intentions; which somewhat disqualifies BTH from regaining my respect. Like I said, I didn't watch the videos, I doubt I ever will. But I don't think, just from hearing this story alone, I will be able to ever watch those videos. This doesn't mean I hate him. I just do not have respect for him.
0 likesThe downward spiral is contagious.
219 likesAnd after concluding the series with three videos, and a two month break, he decided to post three videos of rather questionable quality and message, and stayed silent ever since. What exactly happened?
3 likesUghh... I was one of the first fans of behind the meme... i started watching him when he had 100 000 subs... i stopped watching him cuz i was watching some other stuff. Though i still support him. I respect dreams ok! But... i dont think getting hate for doing your dreams is not right! If i'm understanding this wrong, please correct me. I'm disappointed at the people who hated him. I didnt know that this situation is happening.
1 likethanks for your public insight, it means a lot to know youtubers think about their actions
0 likesI appreciate you giving him the benefit of the doubt. As someone with severe depression and as someone who has attempted suicide in the past, I was absolutely disgusted by his videos. I’m one to give people leeway and I think normally I’d be right there with you in your assumption that he’s just clueless and not an asshole. I want to believe that. YouTube has just constantly disillusioned me into seeing the worst in so many creators. To me the major gauge of BehindTheMeme’s true intentions would be whether or not he monitored his videos and how heavily he had done so. I just find the idea that he could be so clueless as to not only make these videos but to try to make money off of them as well while claiming to be doing it for awareness would be the true litmus test for his intentions. Something I’ve taken to heart over the years is the saying “don’t assume malice over idiocy”. I have YouTubeRed so I’m not sure if his videos are advertised on. Plus I just don’t watch his videos. Anyone have a look and see what’s going on?
0 likesDo not attribute to malice what could be attributed to incompetence.
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Beast From The Weast this is perfect
0 likesHow'd this work out? You can't put the genie of a mob back into a bottle. Learn from Leafy's mistakes. You know them. Don't censor yourself, but the PSA comes in when you're on the offensive, not post mortem. You don't even have to do it every critique video. Just now and then, remind them.
1 likeNever let cynicism cloud your full judgement. Factor it in, sure, but don't let it color your glasses. Take it from an old hand at expecting the worst... You're right more often, but when it's applied to the individual, being wrong has its toll, to you as well as them. Keep it as a tool in your analytical toolkit, but don't be too fast to use it.
I don't know a thing about running a channel. Take with a 2016 sized chunk of salt, but this is stuff life, at least, did teach me.
People didn't really hate him as a person, just his content, how repetitive it was and how it "killed memes".
1 likeholy shit! you've been on youtube for 8 years, and you haven't blown up yet. keep up the great videos!
0 likesHonestly, I think he’s a genuine guy, but in that case the meme community isn’t the greatest place for him.
0 likesTop 10 Shocking Anime Plot Twists.
3481 likesAlso no visuals and no ads because this video serves a different purpose entirely. Will resume your regularly scheduled programming shortly.
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EmpLemon HI HECKIN FIRST REPLY/ COMMENT WOOOOOOO
17 likesHi sup bru
1 likeE
4 likesEmpLemon
14 likesHow would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby is pushed as Protagonist
Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smokig pot with their friends
“SHORTLY” let’s goooo
0 likesthe one the only
0 likesOki emp
0 likes*bullying
0 likesUnderstandable, have a gread tay.
0 likesY’all ever jus
0 likesC L O U T C H A S E
Why Do You Support This Evil Man Who Kills Memes With One Video? And Why Support A Man Who Fakes A Suicide?
0 likesShortly as in the next few months.
1 likeEmpLemon well shit
0 likesReally great vid also when is the next documentry video coming out. I really like to see someone who is a very down to earth and honest.
1 likeTo be honest I really don't care if there are no visuals. I get kinda baffled that you act like you didn't put any effort in some things, and that I couldn't even replicate the most simple edits you make
2 likesNORMIESBGONE
1 likeNot a shocking plot twist, but more of a revealing plot twist.
0 likesproud of you Emp, we all joke and shit but you're mature enough to leave an honest idiot alone and i respect you for that
5 likesyou mean complaining?
5 likesIs the memes for the months of August and September coming out soon?
0 likesplease stop, this is a serious video on emplemon
2 likesLoved this mate, it shows that you're no the asshole some people may qualify you as.
2 likesI take my imaginary Fedora for you.
P.s. BUT WHY THE HECK DID YOU PUT THAT GODDAM SPIRAL? My eyes ache as fuck.
But good video mate, keep it up. Proud of you.
You're so critical and wholesome. I love it
1 likeJust for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong.
3 likesTop 10 Anime Betrayals?
1 likeThese are really fun to listen to while very high.
0 likesError 404: can't decide to ether feel bad for btm or continuing trashing btm.
0 likesEh... sorry but innocence and good intentions through harmful ignorance, also harmful stupidity and bad circumstances... is not really a thing (to me).
2 likesAs one suffering depression and formally suicide completion myself; His take and play up on suicide like countless other online attempts, is horrifically disrespectful and even dangerous to the actually suicidal; REGARDLESS of intent or self-awareness, same goes for everything he has been doing up till now.
HOWEVER like you've said, I've long forgotten and stopped caring about Behind the Meme. Won't ever really forgive, but have already forgotten, and lost care to do or say anything to him in anyway. I'll still be all the more glad if the does turn around from this... but only EXACTLY because he DOES deserve some level of blame.
You won’t believe #6.
1 likeEmpLemon
0 likesImagine if he actually committed suicide a few hours after this video.
Not only would that be the ultimate plot twist but it would also count as an inception since there would be a plot twist within a plot twist in this scenario.
Dude make ur fuggin youtube geographic more please absolute thank you from india~ Bali
2 likesThis is hilarious.
0 likes+EmpLemon I REALLY like your content. I adore how much effort you put into each video. Never die man, never die.
0 likesHello internet
0 likesNo ads? Come on EmpLemon, you deserve that 5 cents that YouTube gives you for your hard work...
1 likeDownward spiral downward spiral
2 likesHi heckin what? We have a schedule? Lol jk I enjoy your stuff greatly.
0 likesThis series was the best thing Behind The Meme ever did. Even if he killed himself
1 likeIt's awesomely bleak and depressing. Loved the whole suicide thing. Very cool
Lemme preface this by saying I actually thought his videos were kinda cool. They explained some of the memes. Before I found yours and pyros videos about Behind the Meme I never really had anything against his videos. I still dont. What you two said in your respective videos were more of things to consider.
2 likesThat being said, another point I've begun to ponder is when you live in a world so full of shitballers and ass eaters that a genuine appearance is not considered legit.
EmpLemon, I'd ask you if it really do be like that, but then, I suppose it makes sense. Because consider the cynical individual who was dealt all the wrong cards. Or the perpetually lonely individual who could never get a romantic partner.
The internet has changed so much in so short a time. And its changed all of us too. Theres something simpler and more genuine about ytps and minecraft music videos and gmod videos from the beginning of this decade that is lost on much of the mainstream youtube stuffs out there.
Memes were simpler back then.
Like the alpha quadrant in the 22nd century the internet must have been a whole lot bigger back then. It's a time I remember only vaguely.
A time before windows 10
Before fornite and PUBG
Before minecraft was for cringy children
Before mark and pewds were popular.
As was always the case, life seemed simpler back then.
As the current decade draws to a close who knows what our own 20s will bring us.
Good night man. Good night all. I'm gonna sleep.
Hey Emp Lemon, your videos are awesome 100°/. . Behind the Meme tried way to hard to be popular and great but he didn't realise that his content became boring,lazy and repetitive. Great video. Behind the Meme should learn that his content is hated and should handle the criticism about his issue and the people who love memes,but instead he uploaded videos of his deppresed,drunk and commited fake suicide in a poorly way. Your opinion about Behind the Meme is depressed is awesome.
2 likesMore like
1 likeTOP 10 Anime Betrayals
Hi daddy lemon
0 likesI never knew this was happening
0 likesYou know it takes a big man to admit their false judgements as wrong and emp you are that big man
0 likesIt was honestly obvious, Emp...
1 likeThe guy was clearly a normie explaining memes for normies. That rules out most ulterior motives. You only had to look at the videos being mediocre to see there were none.
You fell for his trap card
2 likesI'm disappointed that you didn't know that you could've just used mst to negate it.
Ty for the epilepsy attack
1 likeAwww you softie its adorable that you're here for the poor guy when he's getting all that hate.
0 likesemplemon is behind the meme confirmed?
0 likesTHIS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE MANGA
0 likes😟i feel so bad for him
0 likesI've made really racsest Jew jokes all my life then found out I'm part jew 0_0
0 likesReeee
0 likesEmpLemon He’s just a pure boy from a pure YouTube screen!
0 likesIt is too late to earn your pity. A year too late.
0 likesI'm just happy that behind the meme isn't the meme version of the Paul brothers
1 likeStay on your toes, man. Yes, he might be an idiot with a big heart. But we all know where being an idiot in life gets you to. You did a fine job. He's not gonna be an idiot anymore
0 likesThere we have it Emplemon finally feels sorry for BtM
5 likesI knew it was a narrative, but I'm glad he turned out okay, sure it was wicked, but it helped him see just how many cared in contrast to the hate beforehand.
0 likesI like how you did this topic full circle with those opening and ending words
0 likesYou knew this would happen and you can't help but say, "Well, that happened. Back to work on other stuff in life. "
0 likesI like how people are fuming even though this video is really old clearly shows that people don’t look at the upload date. But emp lemon was always in the wrong.
3 likeslove the way you think in this vid, a breath of fresh air in between the toxic destructive comments. what he did is a shitty thing, but i really hope he was honest about it being an awareness thing.
0 likesYou’re a genius. I’m not joking, you have a mastermind and you’re using it well.
0 likesWell done! You should always put your cynicism aside and think about what the person could actually be. YouTubers are usually greedy, but not all YouTubers are greedy.
0 likesJust another fool
211 likestrying to make a better world
Only to fail miserably and become a villain
But at list he tried
unlike some.
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epic
7 likesYou either die a hero, or live long enough to rise up and establish a gamer society and rule the world.
18 likesgang weed
5 likesreal deep for a guy named hell spoon.
6 likeslove your content spoonie
0 likesGang weed gamers r i s e u p
1 likeall veronicas shall perish
0 likesnot gonna lie this gave me a bit of a new perspective on this guy. like I barely watched him, so I just assumed what everyone said. looking back though yeah the infamous videos are still unwarranted and probably tasteless to most, but that's what a man who never considered the intricacies of the internet can and in his case would do when in the depths of being bullied for just making meme explained videos. this man was an outsider to the youtube scene, aware enough to make it but naive enough to make fatal screw ups
0 likesYou missed an opportunity to end this video with a dead meme so I'll do it for you.
1 likeLEAVE
BRITNEYBEHIND THE MEME ALONE10/10 EmpLemon content.
0 likesP.S.
Truly inspiring!
I honestly felt this way all along. He was just a nice guy all on his own. Doing this by himself yet still taking on bigger YouTubers when they came with some hate.
0 likeswhen i first saw your behind the meme video, i was kind of rubbed the wrong way by how you presented the issue, as if the memescape and normies were things that were hugely important to the world at hand. but your perspective here really moved me. i really the respect the approach youve taken to this.
0 likesKind of glad that I unsubscribe to his videos when he first started posted these. Not really into this attention grabbing stuff. BehindTheMeme didn't know how to change it up from explaining memes, so went for lowest common denominator to get attention. It worked but its spit his fan base. Anyway if he wants to continue down that road so be it.
1 like...Holy shish on a walnut...
2 likesBehind the Meme was a phantom thief all along!
He stole EmpLemon's heart!
For this to be true,
0 likesThat would mean behind the meme actually has extreme childish innocence and behavior
You've echoed my entire train of thought. Were his meme videos not decent? Yep. Was the series a horrible mistake. Absolutely. But I do think he's just a guy that wants to do good things and thinks what he's doing is good. A naive man with sincere intentions.
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William Tran kind of like the Michael Scott of youtube
2 likesSo im gona make a point here
8 likesSometimes ppl r not bad they just seem bad and not every 1 wants money and fame(kinda) some ppl r way 2 good hearted to be bad to others its basicly this nomatter how good and respactful u r at school ppl well see that and bully you
"Some of the worst things in the world have been done in the name of good intentions." -Dr. Alan Grant
0 likesI commend you for being able to swallow your pride but I do think you're being a bit naive here. He did a horrible thing and deserves the backlash for it, I can't imagine any scenario where he made that he wasnt thinking about himself.
1 like4:26
1 like"...poorly executed." Please tell me this pun was intentional.
There are some youtubers out there who are actually legit, like you mentioned
1 likeSo it's kind of like how Thanos had good intentions but didn't know how to inact them properly...
5 likesI could probably believe EmpLemon with this
5 likesas someone who just want's mental health to finally be understood, i can't hate the guy for something so stupid as that. Yes he went about this the most tone-deaf way possible but this wasn't a Logan Paul in the woods with a dead body kind of thing.
0 likeshe's an idiot, just not a malicious one.
Thank you, EmpLemon. You always are just able to put all the thoughts in the back of my mind up front and center. Behind the Meme, yea, doesn't make very good content. However, he's still a normal member of society, just like the rest of us. It's like hating a celebrity for being popular and other people not liking them: irrational.
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Your turning into the next StickMaster at this point
2 likesit's been 3 years and this really makes you feel bad...
1 likeHe's one of the last guys who is just doing YouTube because he is passionate. He may not be the best, but he isn't a scammer.
0 likesBehind the Meme makes mediocre to bad videos, so I had forgotten about him until I saw this video. The best strategy to deal with a youtube channel like his is to just let it die out on its own as it deserves and as it organically will, no strategy and no special movement at all.
0 likes"Never attribute malice what can be explained by incompetence."
0 likes- Albert Einstein (or somebody else, lol)
That's not very cash money of you
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There is a reply here that doesn't exist
14 likesIt's less like the community should stop hating BTM because he doesn't truly deserve it and more like he isn't even worth hating anymore. The fact BTM genuinely pulled this kind of shit to his remaining fans and didn't do this for some quick cash makes the whole thing a fuck ton worse. Doing a suicide video while fans speculating that he would probably commit suicide. It's like the emotionless girl theory but instead of being kidnapped by terrorists she commits suicide.
18 likes@Rickyrooroo229 People stick to hate youtube accounts instead of making better content instead.
3 likesIn a way, mob mentality is also a reason Youtube is not great, and it down punch any small youtuber if someone makes a viral video, we exploit drama and smear names but it never moves forward or even makes a change, instead we stick in the drama.
It's new but it doesn't change really until the next thing happens because it doesnt fix it.
that's not very punk rock of you mr pole-eece mam
0 likesAs someone who suffered from depression from 2013 to 2016; seeing it trivialised and so poorly executed in those videos is insulting. It's people like him that cause depression to be so misunderstood. Even if it was to "raise awareness" it was just done so badly, that it actually harms the cause.
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Opening a comment with "As someone who suffered from depression from 2013 to 2016" doesn't do much good for the "cause" either.
39 likesIt's things like that that make people view depression as some kind of accessory
Yeah, depression isn't something that I think anyone truly understands. I learned in AP Psychology with a recent book that one thing they change in updates the most are vague disorders like that.
6 likesfacts
0 likesDid you watch the video?
1 likeHa
0 likesIdk why everyone is so enraged by this comment. I think it is a useful piece of information coming from someone who has experienced an illness most people haven't. Even emp lemon agrees that it is poorly executed.
6 likesI hope you actually had depression, like a screening test to prove it, since I really hope you werent one of those edgelords who say theyre depressed even though the arent
0 likes@Matthew Jackman literally, its like a hook to catch peoples attention
0 likesI guess you don't realize how erratic the channel creator became after the incident.
0 likesYeah cuz there is only one way to get depression
0 likesDid I ever say I wanted attention? No. Did I want sympathy? No. All I wanted to do was give background as to why I feel the way I do about this. I made one comment. One. And I get jumped on by a bunch of people simply for mentioning I had depression. At what point did I indicate that I wanted attention for the fact I had depression? I never went into detail about it so how can you simply assume I have a shitty life or I'm making it up? Not everyone that says they had depression is making it up or doing it for attention. If anything, seeing these reactions from people show how badly misunderstood it is as a mental illness, because of people like BtM faking it.
5 likesThank you for calling off your edge lords
18 likesWell emp Lemon, it takes balls to tell the truth, I respect you
0 likesThank you. When I watched that awful "Oooooh the normies will take over ackackack" I got 80 different diseases at once.
0 likesBefore all this happened, I never understood the hate on BTM, I genuinely thought he had a good show concept. Sometimes I’ll see a dumb meme and wonder where it came from and how it got popular. It was certainly more original than just reacting to them (cough cough Pewdiepie) but this is just awful, he deserves everything that’s coming now.
0 likeswait so you didn't get that when watching his videos? that man transpires innocence in everything he does! its so obvious you'd have to be a fool not to see that!
0 likesIt's times like this where I love youtube 2018 instead of previous years,because really brought out the worst and best of people.
0 likes“...some fool with a good heart”
5 likesYou mean Patrick Star?
I feel like Behind the Meme’s biggest problem was overlooking what he could accomplish, he thought the same type of content could just let him slide by as a mediocre YouTuber doing what he thought was best, and after the internet took advantage of him he kept going until his videos came to a halt, that makes me feel like Behind the Meme really didn’t care about the hate he was getting or how much negative criticism he had, because he was happy with what he did and saw people liked what he was doing. I’m sure that eventually he reached a breaking point and hence made this video to sort of address not only awareness to suicide but also to his own feelings, and that the internet has been giving it to him pretty badly since your own first video on him. In the end, I can actually see from his point of view REALLY well, because being mediocre is what we’re all good at, it’s just that going for more is what Behind the Meme didn’t do that most other big youtubers did, and that’s what got him to where he is today.
69 likesI just think it would be helpful to teach the Werther-effect or copycat-suicide in school to give awareness about displaying suicide in a medium. If you don't know about this I highly recommend you to read on these topics.
0 likesIts moments like this that I prefer his newest videos rather emplemons old ytps
25 likesThe fact that I’ve never heard about this tells me a lot about how out of the loop I am.
0 likesI honestly disagree with some of the things you said in this video, but massive respect for this video, most youtubers would probably make a clickbait superdupersad vid about this.
0 likesI thought you heavily criticized BehindTheMeme before.
4 likesI already hated his channel before the incident.. But I respect the guy's audacity to do something so bold, and stick to it.
0 likesThis is not what I unsubscribed for
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Same my dood
6 likesThen unsubscribe
3 likesYep, that's what I thought when I saw your BTM takedown video. Listening to him, I was just like, "awww the poor little guy is doing his best, why are you beating up on the simpleton?"
1 likeI love it when two irrelevant YouTubers are "fighting".
1 likeThe internet is a harsh, unforgiving place. There are three sides you can go to when it comes to controversy.
1 like1. Offensive. You keep hacking away at it, along with many others. No matter how sincere the apology, you will never forgive. You just keep harassing.
2. Neutral. You don't hate on the one who created the controversy, you don't defend the person, you just sit there and do your own thing. Perhaps forgive, but meh.
3. Defensive. You defend the creator no matter how bad it is. Usually I think it makes you stupid depending on the controversy.
(Maybe there are more sides but these are the three I found)
Me? I'm usually on the offensive side when it comes to stuff. Even when I am subscribed and like the content creator, I never defend said person. I don't forgive, and I never will.
I'm willing to help Behind The Meme in understanding the intricate logistics of the meme economy, but he has to ask for help first. If he had posted a video questioning why he was getting hate then I would explain it to him, just as detailed as this comment here.
To be honest, I used to like the guy to keep me updated on the memes, but my ascension point was with your Meme Theory video on Behind The Meme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFGqhEVr7lk), and it just went up ever since.
I will never forgive Behind The Meme for what he did, but I won't stop anyone for forgiving them, and I will just present my point.
I derive my own feelings from the information I gather, no matter what other people tell me. Trying to stop me will prove futile if you just tell me to stop.
I remember BTM made a video explaining lmao, literally a thing you could explain in 5 seconds lmao.
2 likesSeems like someone has finally taken some responsibility
0 likesBeen on a downward spiral completely and lost it all completely.
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Oh hello there
3 likesThey say EmperorLemons heart grew three sizes that day...
2 likesCongratulations, Emp, you learned an important lesson.
0 likesBeing right isn't what matters. It's doing what's right. For the right reasons
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Is faking suicide for views and money doing whats right?
1 likeWell the point I was trying to make was this:
0 likesBehindtheMeme faked suicide because he wanted to raise awareness for suicide.Emperor Lemon said that, prior to making this video, he wanted to call out BehindtheMeme (which is a justified response when you believe that he did it simply for views) because he wanted to gloat about how right he was. So, in a way, BehindtheMeme did something wrong for the right reason, and EmperorLemon was initially going to do something right for the wrong reason. Because Lemon realized that he was going to call him out for doing something really bad, more so out of being able to say "I told you so" than actual disgust, he realized that his motives were fairly self-serving.
Just saying, it's about time you went back to doing what you were good at, making YTP's!
0 likesI always used to think BTM was a troll like Reactor trying to parody other channels and that series of videos would be his way of showing everyone. Guess not
0 likesThe downward spiral world tour is really getting to ya, huh emp?
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I think it is still continuing, Good.
1 likeHow would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, Persona 5, Family Guy, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby is pushed as Protagonist
0 likesImagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smokig pot with their friends
@MisterZygarde64 sounds good, just remove all the anime and it will be perfect
0 likes@Addsomehappy that would ruin it
1 likeI wanted to justify his actions so badly that I forgot he was faking a suicide. I knew it was fake but I still wanted to find something good in what he had done that I misinterpreted his actions.
0 likesLooking at btm chanels now it feels really wrong what has happened to him...
5 likesdang, respect for that man, you probably could have made like 3 videos, rifding his grave, but probs man
0 likesI am sorry papa lemon, but I cannot bring myself to feel sorry for him. You are better than me.
1 likeBruh his last video ever makes me worried it seems he lost his mind.
3 likesThe road to evil is paved with good intentions
0 likesThe hate behind the meme got was 90% undeserved. Behind the meme was a good channel and the poor guy had too bad intentions. It's pretty fucking corny thinking about the haters going "ahhhh he's killing meme culture that stupid normie piece of trash" whether you like it or not, memes are everywhere and actually doing pretty good in the mainstream media. Heck, even teachers are using memes.
1 likeEmpLemon, you are actually a very informational guy.
0 likesYou have basically explained how people are starting to abuse serious situations just to obtain a huge mass of fans but you didn't notice how BTM has a slightly similar characteristic with LeafyIsHere.
BTM might actually have some personal problems within his family, just like Leafy did. He might've wanted to abuse a serious situation because his family might be drug addicts or alcoholics or they might even have abused BTM physically, emotionally, or even mentally. He probably must've wanted attention because he was probably being neglected on the other side of the site and wanted some good attention. Before you hate someone, know someone.
Lemme ask you a question, Emp.
Have you ever felt just ONE MOMENT, and I mean ONE MOMENT in your life, that you so badly wanted all the attention because of how you were being treated? I've been bullied and harrased at my school for being bisexual, and I have mild depression (dysthmia) making me feel so down all the time and sometimes I don't even wanna open up YouTube for ANYTHING. You must've had at least ONE moment in your life where you just wanted to let go and get away from life. I know for a fact Trump wasn't some rapist or a racist all his life, and I might know that Jimmy Kimmel might've been neglected all his life, which could be the reason why he is acting so strange now.
Our childhood is the small seeds needed to grow an adult. Let your parents pour the wrong water, and you could end up turning to drugs and crime.
I know you won't read this because of how I'm talking like the common dumbass, but if you do get to read this, I hope you answer my question.
“So with that being said, after this video I will never mention BehindTheMeme again"
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BTM just finds ways to get EmpLemon talking
16 likesDid you expect him to ignore this?
13 likesyes?
0 likesDamn, time to do a content cop on Emplemon
2 likesBehind The Meme Has Been On A D O W N W A R D S P I R A L of Negative Emotions.
2 likesYeah, I had the same impression because he just.. never stops the style of humor, let alone attitude, so while his style is pretty generic in many ways, it also seems like he's doing it because he feels it is good the way it is.
0 likes...that being said i I didn't know there was this controversy, and yeah i can see now. I took it more as him making a project on the concept alone to tell a story on what if, and in turn in the end putting the message at the end because he knew that this kinda thing would make people seriously think about if he were kill himself, and in turn let people know that he is serious about the topic to let people know there's help to call.
..but obviously, that wasn't conveyed clear enough that it was fake, making some people believe it was real, and in turn the backlash came about. Whether I'm right, or Lemon is, of the people who backlashed him, it's clear he needed to find a way to make it more clear to the audience that it was a short film basically.
Can I say, anytime anyone anywhere someone brings you up, EmpLemon. I need them to remind me, that 'Your the guy who bullied behind the meme'
2 likesLiterally all I have known you for... uptil five minutes ago I finished your Spongebob video.
Thought you might have wanted to know that. Good video btw, the Spongebob one I mean.
Am I the only one who never understood the BehindTheMeme hate (before the suicide video)? I've only seen a couple of his videos when I was confused about a meme, and his videos seem accurate according to KnowYourMeme.
1 likeHE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
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Oh my god!
3 likesMy gewd
1 likeBehind the meme reminds me of them terrible teachers who can't control the class no matter how much they try. The ones that do care but are just hopeless.
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Basically that, but not as aware of the fact that he can't keep the class in check
1 likeI just had a thought...
1 likeThis entire thing were pretty much initiated by EmpLemon, and well, when I look at "Behind The Meme" and compare their stuff to Soothouse and Sam'O Nella, well...
Why on earth have all the people supporting EmpLemon and this entire "movement of bullies" directed towards tearing down BTM...well...why the fuck have you guys not done the same to the other shitton of crap derivative "IMMUH READ A REDDIT POST THAT IS TOP RATED SO YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO TO REDDIT" channels, not to mention the wikipedia ones?
Honestly, I smell double standards, and the stench is partially coming from me...I fucked up when I joined in on harassing that guy.
He might be clueless, but there sure as hell are channels like his with bigger audiences that do far FAR less work!
What I got from this video. Behind the meme is just a generic anime protagonist.
21 likesBehind the meme is not the bad guy but he the idiotic one. We thing we take down great evil but in reality we just destroy a men life
7 likesBehind the Meme’s depression series had me fucking rolling
78 likesI don't hate him, I never really invested in on the issue. After your recent videos mentioning him ("Leafy Was Here" was a big contributor to this), I could not stop thinking "EmpLemon can't hate this dude, there's no way". It just would not get out of my head.
1 likeI get the feeling that you did feel sympathy prior to this big series of videos he pushed, it just doesn't seem to add up that you saw it now, really. I'm not really concerned with this at all, and in the hypothetical situation that my feelings are correct, am I mad at you for supposedly not coming out with this before? No. Being mad at that would just be a waste of time.
The point is really that I think you didn't intend to raise so much hell in the first place. Yeah you meant to bite at him for making this stuff but I think it was a situation of you not realizing just how much weight you had in your throw. On top of that, people that follow big channels tend to be idiots. Despite you saying to not go all ham on the guy, some number of complete shitheads thought that BTM should end his own life **because he makes videos on youtube**. That's insane! I never really did understand why people are so extreme. To think that I could get genuine death threats because I make potentially harmless content is baffling. I don't even want to try to find out why people would do that, it'd be a pointless chase.
Now with that in mind, part of this claim inherently states that in a crude sense you intended to sort of pad your original idea. You still owned up to having errors in your motive, but you had to keep a sort of reputation with it. Of course, this is a very tall and otherwise unsupported claim based entirely on my own speculation that, for even that scenario, is weak. I really can't hold any of this against you, and I wouldn't if I could. It just struck me as odd that you made this video the way you did, so late in the sequence. At the same time, it makes sense. People would go apeshit if you were to suddenly change your view at some unsolicited time. It seems like that series of cryptic videos he made was just an opportunity you took advantage of. I don't know.
Food for thought.
My view of you and likewise BTM (which is neutral) remains unchanged.
The downward spiral effect hurt my eyes so much, I had to turn my head away from the screen and listen.
1 likeSince those suicidal videos were scripted, I want to criticize them for how badly edited they were. It's fine if BTM wants to take a different creative direction and make dark short films and he's not a very bad actor. But because the editing was so amateur people thought he was making legit pre-suicide vlogs. If he really wanted to make a video series promoting suicide awareness he should put more effort into them. If people saw the higher production values more of them would realize that it was clearly an act. It also doesn't help that BTM made no announcement that he planned to do something different, I guess he wanted it to be a surprise but he could've taken the time to think about the young impressionable kids watching his videos.
0 likesI guess what I'm trying to say is, if those videos weren't so controverial and poorly made, I'd be all for BTM going in that direction so he never has to fucking talk about memes ever again.
I will get attacked by other people on YouTube for saying this, and I know I might cause a riot just for saying it, but I'm sorry EmpLemon, you made some good points here and there in your video. I just don't think anything would excuse Behind the Meme for the newer videos he is making, he is just being emotionally manipulative with his current work just to get people's attention to stop disliking him.
0 likesHe just took suicide and depression with advantage, that is just emotional manipulation to your audience, and I just don't buy it or even care, he is just going from being cringeworthy to just being an attention seeker. Oh, and I agree that what he did is so godawfully abysmal, I hate Behind the Meme even fucking more, even when he is meant to be nice! Okay, no matter how hard he tries to be nice or tries to even bother get people's attention just to be quote on quote "nice", I find what he was doing as mentioned in your video outright unforgivable!
Oh, and I still find his meme videos shittier than his depression and suicide advantage videos because of the way he is. I cannot even bother to give this cringeworthy meme killer a chance because of the way he is. Again, nothing will excuse Behind the Meme for his overuse of filler in his meme videos, formulaic plots being the same shit repeated every single video in the past two years, killing every meme we know (even ones that DO NOT COUNT as memes like "ear rape", the SJW abbreviation, etc.), would not even try doing a thing to take the simplest amount of constructive criticism whatsoever due to his ways of him saying whatever he does is fine and won't care, no matter what kills him or not, and also for emotionally manipulating his own audience by taking advantage of suicide and depression, which is one of the worst things anybody can ever do, and it is just unforgivable.
I'm not giving Behind the Meme a chance, I don't buy his fucking work, he deserves no sympathy from other people, I don't buy his excuses, I don't care what he says, and I'd rather listen to someone else who I can trust rather than listen and trust someone who is some so called good guy who is just a normie who kills off memes and uses people to be emotionally manipulated.
Maybe his channel is the best he can do, he tries to entertain in the only way he knows how. I legit feel sorry for him now.
0 likesBehind the Meme made a good meme review for once
0 likes👏 good job you did something right
0 likesI suggest we stop fighting over Youtube and start fighting against Youtube instead.
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We already have and nothing happened
5 likes@PooDoo DrillDick except when it affected their sponsors
1 likeEmp. We love you because you are real. Your poops are great but you also have real heart. I'm glad to see that once again.
32 likesWe live in a society where EmpLemon defends BTM.
1 likeYikes
The minute I saw that btm had monetized those videos I knew something shady was going on
0 likesThis is like being told that the kid you've bullied all of your life had autism all along, making you feel bad because you unknowingly made fun of a kid with autism.
0 likesPeople butthurt about the obvious fake suicide bit need to lurk more on darker parts of the internet. Fake an heroing can be either pathetic or funny, never "insulting", only thin skin people think it is. In this case it was quite funny
2 likesAs if we didn't have enough reason for there to be a "there will Never Ever be another Youtuber like EmpLemon."
0 likesAnd now there is LIMC, and everyone seems to be fine with their channel.
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It makes no life
0 likesEmp, you may never see this comment but, i watch your videos all the time. I wasnt around at the start and i wont pretend that i was, i found your videos a couple years back and thought they were genuinely inspired and amazing essays and documentaries about niche topics.
6 likesAs i explored more of your channel, i took interest in the form of you from 5, 6, 7 years back it feels like now, and i realized how vitriolic but still… passionate you were about what you were doing. Everything you said filled my mind and brought me to rethink how youtube has been going, even in this day and age. And i always spend time to watch your video about the youtube downward spiral. It was well and truly a captivating video that i attracted to whenever i felt like listening to someone get passionately mad over something.
You were… so upset over Behind The Meme, so upset at youtube as a whole, and in the back of my mind i wondered how you went from such an agressive, passionate bro to a collected, yet still passionate dude.
And then i found this video.
This is such a small view into what you think. I dont know enough about you to truly judge your personality, but i saw myself a pure, unabashed humility for Behind The Meme, a dude you had so agressively despised for so long, and it was. A realization.
Your content changed, and looking back at videos i was never there for in the moment reveals that… nobody really stays the same. Nobody is always constant with their views. I dont know how to really end this comment, im not good at passionately speaking in any moment, but it just… it feels like this video was a turning point for your content, putting more humanity and humility into what you create, less opinionated and judgemental to more collected and calm. Its a… very nice thing to know that everybody can change, but always keep a center of passion through it all.
Sorry if this was… scatterbrained.
as i see it BTM is just a guy who wanted to be cool on the internet by trying to be like your typical troll who thinks is cool
1 likehe did the mistake of creating that channel and looking at how much hate he got from the people he admired, he just convinced himself that the hate he was getting was unfair
I knew it was fake the whole time, however instead of it being for suicide awareness, I thought it was going to be some kind of reveal that the channel was fake and that this was just a stupid joke and a parody of clickbait and he randomly decided to send it down the shitter and make himself into the ultimate meme, sadly I was proven wrong with the last video
1 likeAh, Emplemon has stumbled upon the “Hanlon’s Razor” of YouTube.
2 likesFair play this is actually a class act
0 likesYou have too give him one thing it was pretty good acting
0 likesGreat job Emp, I think he needs some help after all of the abuse he has received. Can’t wait for the next video on your channel! Take care Emp and keep doing what you are doing.
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Arise Chicken nice profile picture
2 likes(Obvious joke) This comment will be deleted because did not include excessive emotion, hating Behind The Meme, and did not mention Logan Paul Sempai.
0 likesBtm is kinda like the kid who tagged along with you and does all the stuff you do, but more stupid. But, he just wants to be accepted, and thats who he really is
1 likeI will always support Behind The Meme, No one will ever change that
0 likesThis is exactly what I have thought about he just wants to spread positivity
0 likesFinally, doing him justice
0 likesBehindTheMeme is probably one of the most fascinating YouTubers out there. From his odd shift in content despite his steady subscriber-base, to his hatedom actually outweighing his fandom and most of his uploads getting tons of dislikes, to his rapidly shifting content, to his breaks in uploads, to this recent stunt, to the revelation of him just being some clueless idiot with good intentions. It really is one of the strangest, yet most interesting YouTube channels I've ever seen.
5 likesOne of my favorite youtubers, i love you emp
0 likesI just watched the original video and now I realize how cringe it is, it has a lot of loud=funny moments and in a way it's kinda ironic how that video can be considered part of normie culture now because of all of the outdated memes
0 likesBTM was really giving off Michael Scott energy from all this
2 likesI wonder what implored you to throw this guy under the bus in the first place?
6 likesMaybe you were mad that he didn't mention you in his video, or maybe you thought the "Meme community" needed a dragon to slay. Either way, good on you for owning up to your mistake.
....Half a god damn year after the damage was already done.
Why would a being do such a thing
34 likesIts nice that you adressed it quickly because phew now this guy done fudge caked up.
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oh hey god it's you again
7 likes@Lumen oh lol we meet again bro
7 likesKeep Behind the Meme alive!
0 likesWell... you know how the saying goes: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
0 likesAs some one that watched the McJuggerNuggets psycho series (and believed it was real at points). I've learnt to never believe in any YouTube videos like until proven they are real. A big give away is when they refer to themselves in the third person in the video description.
0 likesI think it’s important to realise that whilst his cry for attention/help may be fake, that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t need help or is isn’t affected by mental health issues. I think that to be in a position so dire that you would fake a suicide video, there must be something genuine about this call for help
1 likeYou die a hero or live long enough to become the villain...
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That is the ironic tragedy of Darth Behind the Meme the wise. All he wanted to do was to educate people poorly about memes.
18 likes👌
0 likesEmperorLemon is the hero Youtube deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hate him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A DANK KNIGHT...
3 likesI feel bad for him looking back at it he was just trying to be inclusive while the entire internet's meme community was trying to stay as inward and exclusive as possible, he saw a world where everyone could laugh at memes where everyone else was living an elitist society where we all tried to get the biggest social cookie by being the meme or the creator or the one who always had the memes before they were cool. Ironic isn't it... On so many levels as well, we praised and praised people like Robbie for spreading positivity while the people who were just trying to make people happy got spammed on and bullied.
0 likesIf what you're saying is true then someone should reach out to him and actually help him make his meme overviews better.
0 likesA meme overview channel isnt a bad idea but his execution was what made it terrible. If the circumstances around each meme were explained better and maybe some sort of listing of the time frame the meme was relevant to reduce the amount of people who'll just go around spewing a new meme they just learned it could be a fine channel.
This is a video I don’t think I ever expected to see on this channel.
1 likeMeme theory: one GAME ENDED channel.
1 likeContent Cop: no channels GAME ENDED or severely affected
tfw behind the meme was the hero the entire time
3 likesUntil he steps up his quality I still don't think I'm going to give him a free pass.
0 likesgod damnit emp, why are you enlightening me with stuff!
1 likeTL;DR
7 likes“I’ve won, but at what cost?”
Great speech emp. I think you might be right
0 likesThe reason why people blamed EmpLemon is because when you look up Behind the Meme, EmpLemon's video is the second result.
1 likeJust saw this video just now. Obviously hidden by Susan W. Anyways I am glad to see your change of heart. Now that I look back at his behavior he does look like he was clueless. As you said before it's fun to hate people.
0 likesAlright so I'm 16 now and I remember unironically watching behind the meme when I was 12
0 likesI like BehindTheMeme, in my opinion he doesn't ruin memes, he just explains them and it's not mandatory to watch it for someone who thinks it would ruin it.
0 likesNaive or not, it doesn't excuse anything. What he did was absolutely sick. I thought he was just some guy making bland videos before this whole controversy, but whether he was being intentionally malicious or not he's made it very clear that he has no intention of changing. In a way, his complete incompetence is worse than being actively malicious.
1 likeglad you owned up your mistakes
3 likesDepression is a ladder. Once you climb it, you either climb back down each individual rung, or jump off.
0 likesSimple answer, don't give him attention, let behind the memes community attack him not everyone else
10 likesthis is like the hero killing the villain and then realizing that he now doesn't have anything to do and regrets it
0 likesGood job on trying to stop all the drama and shit. People nowadays keep doing all this drama shit and im glad u are trying to put a rest on it
0 likesDon't bully BTM, he's a very special boy. Please be patient.
0 likesIt feels weird watching this today considering BTM's channel is dead.
3 likesI didn’t even realise he uploaded anything
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The Rockstar Gamer same
3 likesMe too
0 likesSame
0 likesSSTEAS Ditto
0 likesThe Rockstar Gamer lol
0 likesas much as i want to disagree with you, i can't. i feel bad for behind the meme right now.
0 likesI haven’t watched BTM in a looong time, i used to like him in fact
1 likeI never really understood the hate for him reviewing the memes, but this? I can understand the hate
Using suicide for views, are you freakin’ Jake Paul BTM?
I haven’t watched the defense part yet though
EDIT: Also this came up in my recommendations
And i also agree with your defense
a guy who used to hate another guy
Saw the hating, and hating
Turned to his fanbase, turned away the hating
Defended the guy
Defended his good intentions
Defended his pureness
I never hated the guy or his videos, i only watched one video of him years ago, never like the guy or ever was sub to him.
2 likesBut i watched your video.. i understand what you were trying to say, but.. as you can see, people wanna hate no matter what you say.
(i think that is why Idubbbz stopped making content cop) when you say something about one person.. you know that the mob mentality will act. and they did.
Now, i was never sub to him or liked his videos.. i will subscribe to him and give him some positive vibes.. because the hate is to much strong.
Ps: i know this is a meme but.. as you can see.. S O R R Y F O R B A D E N G L I S H <3
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Your English is great for a non-native English speaker, don't you worry. There are people here that speak English as their only language, and speak it far worse than you. Keep on keeping on, friend.
0 likesThis is the most respectable YouTube comment section I’ve ever seen in a long time.
3 likesNow watch as every EmpLemon fan takes BTM's side in the comment section.
14 likesYou could watch 30 minutes of Behind the Meme being bashed, you can watch this video until the end, too.
0 likesSo did behind the meme just evolve from a really bad meme to a lol cow? The question is when will his channel truly end.
0 likesI wasnt even mad at him im just happy he lives
0 likesI think he just wanted to try and do something new and creative. There is only so many cookie cutter videos you can make until you want to do something completely different no matter how bad it is
0 likesI really liked this. Most people nowadays cannot separate the art form the artist. That is a very important thing to do. His content isn't good, but I respect the intentions.
0 likesThis is so sad.
27 likesAlexa, pla- are you crying too?!
It feels like I'm watching that one Bojack Horseman episode where he just monologues about his mom at her funeral.
0 likesEU would've slain his channel anyway
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He doesn't even live in Europe
11 likes*within the EU, Salt.
5 likesA bit unnecessary to point out, but still important.
@GAMEDOSE
1 likeFuck Europe? For real now? After Internetslayer Ajit you are talking?
People from EU sent you guys their condolences and now we are the bad guys?
Article 13 is going to affect everyone who uses the internet
4 likesWhenever people said the net neutrality repeal would ruin the internet, almost 4 months later almost nothing has happened.
0 likes@GAMEDOSE well, youtube will just stop working in EU. They threatned to stop working in Ireland when they tryed to pass similar bulshit laws. VPN should be used if article 13 passes
0 likesI respect you a lot for this
0 likesIn an isolated system, entropy can only increase
0 likesI guess you could say that Behind the Meme is on a D O W N W A R D S P I R A L.
0 likesyoure a good guy for making this video
0 likesThis is heartwarming
1 likePersonally, I've always felt that Behind The Meme got way too much hate for his mediocre content. Like, he didn't necessarily do anything bad, he just seemed kinda clueless and whatever and I guess his downfall was that he didn't really acknowledge that he can be criticised. However, i feel his haters took the issue too far by constantly yelling that he "kills memes" and shit and even doxxing the poor dude.
0 likesIt is always right to show love to another person, but it is always wrong to show hatred and spite towards that person.
0 likesI never thought he had ulterior motives.
0 likesI think I heard Internet Historian say Behind The Meme is like Lenny from Of Mice and Men on a podcast or something, and compare the part of the book when he kills the puppy meaning to stroke it to his meme reviews. And that’s probably the most accurate description of the guy - dumb and clueless but well meaning.
0 likesfuck yeah! forgiveness and acknowledging mistakes!
1 likeHmm, seeing the same formats over and over, I always thought he was also a greedy guy doing something even if he hated it, for kids or something.
0 likesBut he never changed that. It's really weird. I never thought about it before.
Man i am happy you made this video you are good guy
0 likes"the more I thought about it the more I believed it"
1 likeI never outright hated him, just his content. But by GOD, he really screwed up.
0 likesI never hated Behind the Meme. Sure, he was always a bit boring but in the end I just saw him as a guy who enjoyed making the things he did. Even when I stopped watching him I always thought about his channel from time to time, wondering how it was doing.
0 likesNow? Well, let's just say I might just disconnect from the internet for a little bit.
Behind the meme is in a downward spiral
4 likesthe only way he's gonna be left alone is if he grows a braincell, becomes self aware, quits making videos, and only return when he is finally starting to understand how the internet works because hes just so consistently clueless of anything to the point that i question if hes braindead
0 likesVengeance is mine said The Lord..
0 likesDon’t take vengeance out on people. You made the right choice, EmpLemon.
Its like i've always said:
1 likedont hate the person, hate the garbage shitty content he makes, unless the person is also shit.
Now, THAT is art!
2 likesAnd what happened then? Well, In YouTube, they say
9 likesThat EmpLemon's heart grew three sizes that day.
I completely agree.
16 likeswhen meme channels turn into this...
8 likesDisliked for failing to finish with, "Leave Behind The Meme Behind", 0/10.
4 likesThis has shifted my perspective on the situation
8 likesSentence shifted.
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@Zoura 3025 s e n t e n c e s h i f t i n g
0 likesYou have my respect emp lemon
0 likesBTM made his channel to explain to people the meme who dont understand it. If someone doesnt understand the meme they could use it in an annoying or wrong way. And its nice to know where the meme came from so you can thank the person who made the meme originaly.
0 likesYou sir are a mature man.
0 likesWell said Emplemon
224 likesBut you won't delete the BTM rant video will you?
I like that video
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Hello fellow pepe
9 likesI wuv u pepe
9 likesIf he wanted it to be gone, he'd probs just unlist it
9 likesHeath Moen hai fellow Pepe
2 likesRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2 likesHe still stands by those criticisms, even if he doesn't hate the guy.
9 likesHe even cut out a skit at the beginning of "YouTube has been on a downward spiral" because he didn't want people to send hate towards the guy.
Make it unlisted?
2 likesMrQuirkyKirk yeah that's true it's very analytical and also entertaining
0 likesYeah but then the communists will use that against him and argue if he was really sorry than he'd delete the emplemon videos
1 likeWhile I don't hate the guy, since he does monetize his content, I think it's fair to leave critique to the content itself. Rule of thumb when it comes to any online content, the person involved in it isn't always a bad person if their content is bad, but criticism can still be valid despite that.
0 likesI actually enjoy long videos Emperor Lemon, I therefore, will not unsubscribe as that's the opposite of what is expected.
0 likesI understand what you're saying, but i don't think anybody is going to let the fake depression card fly away lightly.
0 likesHe doesn't know how to respond to criticism so at best he gets his own mum to roast people, and at worst he fakes depression to get everyone on his side.
I only saw part 5 as fake. But its really dissappointing how he took advantage of this, and i have depression myself and it disappoints me to see people like this. I like the way you adressed this despite the fact that this is the first video ive seen from you
0 likesRussia stops aggression against Prussia during the 7 years war. Colorized
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Can we please make this a meme because of Todays current events?
0 likesPS: I'm russian BTW, and I support my comrades in Ukraine.
When spongebob and behindthememe convinced emplemon that he shouldn’t be on a downward spiral
1 likeHe failed about the attention part because without your video I wouldn't even know BTM was still a thing
0 likesDude you are god or angel or something like that.
0 likesI am serious. I never felt bad for that meme destroyer.
But now i do. I feel like its the most rare thing that any media personality would try use their power even this much to good. EmpLemon you are amazing, impartial, fair and trustworthy.
I feel like i will never trust any other youtuber as much as i trust you right now.
99% of other youtubers would never give any fuck.
EmpLemon you are what everyone should be.
Jesus, even if you try to defend him, it still sounds like it's a roast..
0 likesWell said Mr. Lemon.
0 likesTo be fair here you are mighty pretentious for a guy who just admitted he was wrong. I've been defending BTM since the beginning because it was obvious he was just a 'normie' making videos to explain memes to us 'plebs', and I appreciated that. I have criticized some of his videos for being lazy, but in a constructive way. But people like you and the endless hateful commenters are the ones who drove him to get depressed and quit for so long.
1 likeWhat if Behind The Meme actually heard this video?
3 likesNever attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
1 likeIt got me a bit clustered by watching. But still nobody would take advantage of suicide
0 likesDid anyone ever notice how all people who spend a lot of time online go trough this depression fase? Like... a damn lot. The internet is making everyone lonely.
0 likesJokes on us Emplemon is secretly behind the meme. And this one huge conspiracyyy-
0 likesYou know the fact that Emplemon a.k.a. BTM's worst enemy would take a bullet for him even when btm has basically reverse fucked himself and his career really shows you emp has his colors too.
0 likesI now feel bad for him too.
2 likesHe already had the video taken down. There's just parts 1-4 and one with him describing what happened in part 5 in dialogue with puppies playing in the background.
0 likesDamn he killed memes then he killed himself
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Ironic, he could assassinate memes with the fury of a thousand suns but could not save himself from the very same fate...
8 likesHe became the very thing he sought to destroy, a meme. So he died like all the others
6 likesEmpLemon killed memes by introducing the "meme killer" concept.
1 likeIt's fucking time to stop. He didn't kill memes, EMPLemon killed memes by introducing the concept.
0 likesI feel you bro. Still a bit of a scumbag
0 likesThis reminds of the Jake Paul killer clown incident, i always thought that it was porbably even worse than the suicide forest, since he was pretty much taking advantage of little and naive children just for the sake of attention. I don't have any sympathy for Jake Paul, and i didn't had any for BehindTheMeme neither, but now that you put it that way, i can't help but feel sorry for the guy.
0 likesHmm.
2 likesI know someone who mocked suicide and claimed it was suicide awareness
It was in January
Hmmm I just can’t think it out of my head.
His name starts with an L and has P in his last name.
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Leonardo Pumpuernickle?
1 liketo be honest i really wanted to see behind the meme be the golden (memed) channel.
2 likesbut now im like why mate why make it like this.
great way to finish 3/4ths of 2018
wow 2018 is so around death that it makes me ill like really ill.
if your a good guy please please make a aplogize video and at the very least due some chairty work.
not any of this fake suicide shit like jack or logan paul.
man i will say 1 thing for this being your 1 big wrong doing i will say ok
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i dont hate him and i wont .
0 likeshe is like almost everyone else on youtube .
thay all make heavy mistakes so did he
so has emplemon, so has the memeking(guy with orange hat and sunglasses
0 likesto be honest i dont know why but this makes me think of game thoery.
0 likeshonestly that was heavy shit
Lmao the thing spiraling in the background is the fish dude from spongebob drinking the water
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Wait I think it is
3 likesI'm confused how this was supposed to be offensive? He was raising awareness. So can we have no vision of any suicide in movies tv or any form of entertainment anymore?
7 likesThe size of his heart makes up for the size of his brain.
0 likesIt took you guys that fucking long to figure this out i knew it from the start
0 likes1. The comedy
2. The amount of money he probably makes
3. His way of speaking
All 3 of those made me figure out really quick that his just a foolish guy with a good heart
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PotatoChips23415 do you also have 240iq
0 likesThis reminds me of a guy named Rouge. Doomsday.exe (a fellow tf2 youtuber) talked about this guy and he faked CANCER and DEPRESSION. just for free items.
0 likesthis is too wholesome
1 likeOne of the best videos I’ve seen about this subject
1 likeif death note ended like this it would have been 200% better
1 likeHis content changed because of this learning experience
2 likesGod has spoken.
6 likesdamn well said. :D
2 likesHe was just trying to raise awareness of people hating on people all the time and he wanted to show what it could do to people
0 likesin a nutshell: "i'm not like other girls"
6 likes"in Defense of BehindTheMeme." defending behind the meme HERESY!!
0 likes"And then it came - she knew it would -
0 likesBut on that promised night...
It didn't feel as half as good
As once I thought it might."
He's disliked by some for his plagurism and somewhat amateur-ish video content, but I feel many took it too far.
0 likesThe internet isn't fully aware of how aggressive it can be because harassment/bullying targets respond in different ways. Whilst one person can just be unfazed by others wishing death on them, others can be severely affected by it, especially if they have underlying mental disorders.
Even if BTM was going to be unfazed by the harassment and bullying, doxxing is where it started to get more serious. The disconnect between his internet life and his real life had been disrupted. It's at that point where you can't just say "I don't care what any of you have to say".
It's fine to dislike someone for seeing their content as poorly edited. That's on them, you can comment on their content being poor, and give improvements.
It's fine to dislike someone for not taking improvement advice. That's on them, you can comment on their inability to improve.
But if they don't improve even then, that's where you stop. The incompetence of others has no personal effect on you, especially if all they're just trying to do is make enjoyable content.
Finishing this off, I'm not saying "he's just a content creator, and if his videos aren't for you, leave him alone", but I am saying to leave him alone if you resort to wanting him to die, or attacking him personally.
The whole "mama memes" thing was still god awful though.
0 likesI agree that Behind the Meme shouldnt have a terrible life and I dont think he's evil either. However, he is very flawed, and very stupid. I wish him the best in life and as long as he's happy it doesnt matter what any of us think, but I also think your critique of him is well deserved and completely accurate.
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oh and kudos for not monetizing this.
0 likesdamn this hit me too close home x2 </3
0 likesThe best way to let the internet know that you are drepressed is not to tell
0 likesHonestly i never understood the hate towards him
0 likesI care for him thanks to this video
0 likesI thought this is going to be about how everybody hated him for ruining memes and now PewDiePie does the same and everybody's okay with it.
0 likesTop ten gaming
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9GAG= Hell? Have you ever been to 4Chan?!?
23 likesYou chose your bed now lie in it
35 likes@The Wanderer hah! Like i haven't.
1 likeThis comment is art.
8 likescalling someone normie is a normie nowadays...
40 likes@The Wanderer 4chan is heaven 9gag is hell with the "original memes" on it that are being ripped apart
17 likes@T Anime Fan Z 9gay
4 likes@T Anime Fan Z waddya think
0 likes@T Anime Fan Z his first vid on btm
0 likes@FGZ art, yeah, that was the first video on this channel that I watched other than the Spongebob YouTube Poops long ago.
2 likesHe says, calling other people normies
1 likeIkr. I told them hating on being the meme was irrelevant and that you are a normie if you hate him for no real reason. I got a lot of hate for it lol
1 likeand I love how you say 10 yr olds and not 12 yr olds cuz ur 12
0 likesI know how you feel, my friends still use Ugandan knuckles memes.
0 likesOk
0 likesjesus i actually was like that when i found emplemon, i really thought of things in black and white.
0 likesGamerSponge22 go back to wathcing cartoons .. you ware too young
0 likesmy friends use tiktok
1 likeUNIRONICALLY
at least its not 9 year old normies
0 likes@The Wanderer 4chan is a entirely diferent kind of hell, you can't really compare the two
1 likethere is no saving you
0 likesrepent and perhaps in death you will be forgiven
relinquish these normies you call f r i e n d
Can i befriend you
0 likesi feel ya
0 likesjust show them reddit and its that simple. and if they dont like it go to 4chan.
0 likesnone of my friends even speak english :(
0 likes@The Wanderer 4chan is a Hellish artform, I actually like 4chan though, So I mean...
0 likesFGZ PYR thats like normieseption
0 likeshonestly, that was better than what he is doing now, he probably should go back to doing behind the meme
0 likesso are mine bro..so are mine.
0 likesSovietSpoon597
1 likeDid you, did you actually unironically say “4chan is heaven”? I-
FGZ PYR
0 likesYou should be proud that you brewed it up
@bolson42 Lol no
0 likesLOOL
0 likesJust like reddit does it. The 9 year olds
0 likesNow that’s a redditmoment right there bucko
0 likesExcuse me. As one of the Normies who used BTM to learn about meme culture we are not 10. Most of us Normies are 30-50.
0 likesEmpLemon. Thank you for making this video. Ive always disliked you because of the BTM video you made a while ago. I thought you were personally attacking and hating on the person behind the channel. I've tried to tell people that BTM shouldn't get this much hate. Yeah he makes annoying and bad content but he doesn't hurt anyone and he doesn't manipulate the YouTube algorithm. I bet that the actual guy is harmless and cool
0 likesBut did he make Frying Dory?
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He did
6 likesHe made it in his toilet yesterday.
12 likeswait i thought this was obvious from the start
0 likesif you just looked at his editing it was amateur and unprofessional, unlike things like Mashed and WatchMojo. It just felt like a homemade guy trying to educate people badly.
Emplemon's heart grew three sizes that day
0 likes"Hurt" is a song by American industrial rock band Nine Inch Nails from their second studio album, The Downward Spiral (1994).
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my dad has a shirt of Nin downward spiral
1 likeWow that’s bad, I don’t know cyber bullying can affect someone like that.
0 likesI'm never going to defend him because he never ever credited Siivagunner for creating some of the hottest memes of 2016 such as Nutshack or WANO
0 likesEmp sounds kinda like behind the meme
3 likesHoly crap it’s been 3 years since this situation already
0 likesWow you know emp has a point, if all you you guys stop memeing for ten seconds
0 likesok this is epic
5 likesI don’t know what to say but I cannot say nothing.
4 likesLike... I had that same idea but my self doubt... I just jumped on your band wagon one day... conflicting emotions.
Kutos.
Thank you for your decision
0 likesWell he said he really didn't mean it and he felt kind of bad for it I guess I could forgive him
0 likesYup! And that, my friends, is what happens when you bully an innocent guy who just wants to have fun. Good job, internet!
3 likesHanlon's Razor, Emp. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
0 likesThe thing is his whole career is a mistake nothing can be worse than the fact he still has one
0 likesHe was dumb don't feel guilty bro he's sick and needs help
1 likeEmpLemon went full on Paul Heyman here. I don't know, I just can imagine Paul saying the same stuff. Lemons speech is like the one Paul did on if Brock lesnar intentionally taking out taker.
0 likesThis anime is getting spicy.
8 likesMe: stopped watching when he did meme
2 likesMe 2020: WHAT HAPPENED HERE
No witch-hunting one another!
2 likesAnd now, I feel like Internet took a part of my soul away from me... What has society become? What even WAS society before all this? I don’t recall anything at all; I wasn’t from that era. However, I realized what I’ve been doing for years. Perhaps now is the time to forgive and forget about all I’ve done.
77 likesI can see myself being Behind The Meme. I once made shitty Youtube vidyas. Though I stopped, I could’ve boomed and produced shitty content. But, y’know what? Sometimes, you gotta let go and accept that you’ve made shitty stuff. Hell, I even wrote a novel that counts 120 pages and more and yet, it’s pure crap. But, y’know, I won’t be edgy or anything with this; I just love the cringy story I wrote because I can still see value into it. Nostalgia and stuff, y’know.
Finally, just think about this: art is subjective. When you start making art, you’re bad at it. Then you become good... or you thought you did, but everything’s just "existing" on a plane of existence that can’t be viewed objectively forever.
And thus, the artist that made "shit" improves, but hates his own objectivity and falls back into "shit", because that’s what he wants. I mean, really, what’s perfect? Nothing. It all comes back to nothingness if you go too far.
Don’t go too far, guys. Don’t feel bad for doing shit. Feel good for something for us all to appreciate, to laugh at or to laugh with. Enjoy life, guys. I love y’all, peace.
Sorry for th’long post, m8.
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in a
6 likesSociety
6 likesWHERE
4 likesLOVE
4 likesBehind the meme.
3 likesand e🅱ic gamers
5 likesIf that makes you feel better, society was always kinda like that, I would even say that it was worse than now. Why do you think Witch Trials were a thing? It’s easy to turn a group into a angry mob. This our primitive nature acting out, that’s why we have to be always careful about our judgments.
1 likeKosmicznaKoneko That does make it feel less weird. Thanks
1 likeI couldn’t take my attention away from your profile pic
0 likesSmash 5 Leak CONFIRMED
Thanks for this video I don't hate him now you changed me thank you
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Sheep
0 likesTake a shot everytime he says behind the meme.
0 likesI think that in hindsight, what he did had guts. He showed us the side that we don't see when people get hate. He showed us what it felt to be on the brink of suicide. He showed us how much our words have affect on people. The execution was a terrible thing to do to his viewers, but I don't think there was any other way of getting the point across. If he had just talked about it, nobody really would have batted an eye, as everyone would have already known basically what he would say. I commend him for that.
0 likesBehind The Meme: Hey, guys, so I didn't really kill myself because suicide is a Serious subject that needs to be taken Seriously.
0 likesAnyway, this episode was brought to you by BetterHelp.com
Even if you did ruin behind the meme’s life it wasn’t you....it was those haters. Empathy is needed and now that I look at that fake suicide it shows that he might actually be suffering. There might be a universe where he actually dies.
0 likesLooks like you finally learned that some people are just dumb
0 likesI hate to say this but I first discovered memes with behind the meme, it hurts to say it. He’s a nice guy tho
0 likesThe road to hell is paved with good intentions.
0 likesThe road to hell is paved with good intentions.
0 likesBTM made my Dad learn what a fury is because of some meme reference he heard and didn't get. that I cant forgive tho
0 likes3:19 god I can think of a few people I want to do that too.
1 likewe need a youtube documentary on behind the meme
0 likesWell shit, well said Mr. Lemon
0 likesThe road to hell is paved in good intentions
0 likesFun Fact: if you type the word “normie” it autocorrects to “Mormon” for some reason...
0 likesI can't find a re-upload of the
0 likesvideo, but if he really had killed himself, then who uploaded the video? Is there an explanation for that? And if not who fell for this?
Am i the only one who understood that his final video was a to bring a point and a story about how he felt and how much hate can change somebody?
0 likesGreat video, Emp.
0 likesBehindthememe just lost 3 subscribers in 1 second on his live sub count. If this keeps up, he will be doomed.
0 likesHe already explained that he wants to kill his channel to make non memes vids
1 likeWell then
2 likesLets all leave behind the meme
Behind us
Behind the meme faked depression and suicide to make anons feel bad
3 likesBehind the meme has taken emplemons place in the downward spiral
0 likesEMPLEMON IS SHAKING HANDS WITH SATAN HIMSELF
1 likeI personaly liked his series, because in real life you won't always find something that brings you enough joy to keep on living. In real life killing yourself is so much easier, and it ends up being a common 'solution' to suicidal depression. The way he showed him killing himself felt wrong because it felt like this entire series was dumb and useless : and that's exactly how you end up feeling when someone you know and love kills themselves, you feel like they just wasted their entire existence. And that feel, it might not make you consider living rather than dying, but it might make you try to help a sad friend as quickly as possible when you know that they're going through some tougth things. That's why I appriciated this series, not as a person that suddenly chose to get help to find joy in life, but as someone that tried to help people arround me as soon as I felt that emotion of void and uselessness the first time years ago.
0 likesThat's a good BehindTheMeme impression
1 likeAfter watching your sponge bob video, Behind The Meme seems kind of like one of the rare spongebobs of the community
0 likesYay I like BehindTheMeme he helps me stay cool and hip with the all the cool kids :D
0 likesBehind the Meme is the Coconut Fred of YouTube.
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Agreed.
3 likesY A Y
10 likesM E
No the emoji movie
0 likes@Cool Guy 77 But the Emoji Movie is soulless, BTM however even if his stuff sucks, he doesn't know the consequence of what he is doing like the characteristics of Fred's character in Coconut Fred.
14 likesThe Real Delphox 616 Your right
0 likesthen who's spongebob?
0 likesGoodthony Reviewtano.
0 likesFilth Mop idk
0 likesSomeone remembers that? That show was baaaaad lmao
0 likesSo basically, behind the meme is probably the most sympathetic bad youtuber
0 likesMoral of the story: Memes Ruin Lives
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In this case was more so the fact that people took memes to seriously, rather than him being bullied because he was a basically meme.
0 likesI remember when he was decent, even when that zenzi those guys tried to use.
0 likesEmplemon: A Voice of reason
0 likesI never understand why there is so much hate to BTM, I don’t know what to hate, why would someone insult somebody over some shitty memes that eventually die after a few days
0 likesActually I'm kind of sorry when I said I hope I can fix it I didn't watch the whole video that's why I was having problems but now I watched it makes more sense
0 likesYou man, earned a sub.
0 likesWhy do other youtubers despise those who "sell out", but when they do it, it's like "hey, but im the modesttuber guyssss!"
0 likesPoor guy, after all, he could have naïve and innocent intentions, and at the end, it all backlashed, he just didn't understand the internet enough.
6 likes'poorly executed' you have me cracking up ;p
0 likesThis is a good video but some people are still gonna give you shut for this.
0 likesNo matter how far down the downward spiral goes, you will always find yourself at the top.
0 likesI dont think he did it for attention, rather to show the damage all the hate went to him did
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Not that either. He did it to show awareness to suicide. It was stupid and not mention obviously fake, but he had good intentions, at least.
1 likeSo basically, Squidward when he pranked Spongebob. ApRiL fOoLs
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GEM
0 likesGrow up.
Haha SpongeBob mocking meme do funny laugh laugh laugh
1 like@Alberto C. Routwell Why grow up when being an adult is boring? Be more mature and wise, yes, but growing up, no.
1 likeThis is the first EmpLemon video that I've seen that didn't have a single bit of earrape
0 likesEven the suicide ploy was probably better content-wise than his original shit tbh.
1 like"I'm the only one who knew it was fake" yeah ok there sport
0 likesPoor BehindTheNormie... I mean... He's a good guy.
0 likesFor once I feel sad.
0 likesTop 10 unlikely anime alliances
9 likesTime to watch some re-runs of The Next Generation.
0 likesHonestly, besides everything else, this is why I absolutely despise meme culture.
67 likesHonestly, the meme / commentary community pretends to be a good set of people who-can-do-no-wrong, claiming that they are against things like doxxing and violence, but when any form of meme is touched by something they disagree on, they somewhat go up in arms. Honestly, people end up being so on-edge (or edgy) on these contreversies that they end up creating a hatedom out of them.
The same thing happened to MrEnter in the art commentary community. Everyone hated him for making a kickstarter that was unachievable (note: not a scam), but people thought that he was just milking money like he was the same from his previous drama.
Now look how much in shambles he is.
The same thing happened to CWC. 4chan bullied him, and now most people despise him.
Look at youtubers like MisterMetokur, EmpLemon, Leafy, and etc. They have a huge fanbase somehow always behind them in any situation, and look at the hatedom that comes out of it.
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Perhaps if he told the fans when it was proving to be a deadend and how it's likely never to fully materialize as a way to explain himself, he wouldn't get as much of a stigma towards him for it.
2 likes"Honestly, the meme / commentary community pretends to be a good set of people who-can-do-no-wrong, claiming that they are against things like doxxing and violence"
31 likesLiterally no one ever said that.
KillMeWithPotato um what hate do you suggest came from emplemon’s fandom? If you ask me, a majority of the hate was from Pyrocynical’s video on Btm. Or maybe it was a combination. But you cannot say Emp’s fanbase is like Leafy’s (or anyone’s fanbase for that matter.)
4 likesSir GrandPuppy Sadly the edgy 12 year olds from 2016 have grown up and now overlap the fans of this channel. It's bound to happen.
2 likesAnd sadly, I'd be willing to say that any channel that tries to put a guise of 'edge' is bound to have a fanbase (though not on the same caliber) similar to leafy's.
Shyguymask Oh man, just last year every one was totally up in arms with btm.
1 likeI may have worded it as a generalization, but I should've mentioned it differently. I mean that it's a common occurence in the meme community.
KaijuDino 1235 But honestly, what did he do to deserve such a hatedom out of him?
4 likesHe only made a kickstarter and he did not scam anyone. He just made a very unachievable goal of a lot of $$$. The shit he got for it was undeserved. He refunded everyone who donated and called it quits in a rant.
He isn't the same person he is from his previous drama. He has genuine mental health issues and is genuinely trying to improve. The shit he got for the kickstarter was uncalled for. Most of the 'criticisms' the art commentary community tried to give were honestly pretty bad. Turkey tom called him a 'pedo' for fuck's sake.
KillMeWithPotato I’ve watched mrenter since 2012 and he is in shambles because of how idiotic he is and how he tried to raise a ton of money for some unplanned garbage theoretical show. He used to make fine reviews, now he stopped all that to do a show that won’t turn out. It’s his fault he is where his is now
1 likeKillMeWithPotato MisterMetokur has a channel where the content is very hatred based, and the people he targets are usually insane and deserving, or at least scum bags in their own way. His philosophy is create chaos and watch the dumpster fire, he’s kind of in a different category than EmpLemon, whereas leafy made hate content out of ignorance and ego
0 likesHarry Tomato He didn't stop at all. And there is nothing wrong. He refunded it all back. Stop trying to be so overly edgy over nothing.
2 likesPlus 44% of Kickstarter projects are always underfunded. I don't see how Mr enter is such an exception that we all need to throw a fit at him.
I always tent to ignore the fandoms because of reason's like that, sure, it's the vocal minority that are the ones that often causes issues and hate, not the quiet majority who takes that fandom stuff only around appropriate situations. But still.
0 likesJustin Just saying there's a big overlap.
0 likesH o n e s t l y
0 likesdop
0 likesY E S
@Shyguymask look around for a bit. You'll find a few.
0 likesI’m sure he has a good heart man. I don’t think he has any bad intentions.
5 likesPeace is brought by truth
0 likesDOWNWARD SPIRAL COMING TO A HALT
1 likegotta take it slow for that shit that really matters
Wow. That's real big of ya, Lemon.
0 likesBTM was based all along
9 likesWell said brœther
2 likespoints gun at behind the meme
3 likespoints gun at emp
Damnnn now I don't know who to shoot
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Line them up for a callat, both are normies
0 likes@Djz105
0 likes>"both are normies"
>spells collat "callat"
Just... Just get out.
@Cerberus Games TV no u
0 likesHe should have just made a video for suicide awareness
0 likesBut really though, damn. This is deep.
0 likesEmpLemon, this video is so hard to look at for more than 30 seconds.
0 likes>Subscribes to EmpLemon
0 likes>First channel in recommended is BehindTheMeme
As funny as this is, I think this is a testament to the number of haters from Emp's channel subscribed to BehindTheMeme.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.-_-
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and dumb mistakes
3 likesI've always hated that quote. It's often used by those who have forgotten how to forgive and forgive-ness is a very important part in just about every religion and a road to hell is only paved when you do something you believe is bad and is but is justified by whatever the outcome may be.
13 likesSure, that saying can be true in some cases, but it's always better to look at a situation from more then one angle.
5 likesMy own quote: “Every bad ending has the parts that make it forgivable.”
0 likesdon't hate the player, hate the game
0 likesokay that doesn't really fit but you get the idea
I kinda had the thought that BTM was just a naive kid, too. He always gave off that vibe. Benevolent, for lack of a better word.
8 likesI still hate him but i won't harass him or anything. Im just done with acknowledging him.
0 likesNo seriously, why did you defend him, he's a grown man.
0 likesThat's called bringing spongebob philosophy full circle.
0 likesAnd here I thought the controversy had died down since then.
0 likesIt’s still sad that BtM has more subs than EmpLemon.
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KingSkyLord Emplemon's sub count used to be in the millions
0 likesYeah, but it's the whole "Empty Subscriber" situation
2 likesYoutube favors people that upload more often
0 likeswow. He made a YouTube video called how behind the meme is ruining the memescape as we know it and then posts this
0 likesAnyone else think this was a joke video until you checked Behind The Meme's channel?
1 likeAnother youtuber most people won't know was a terraria youtuber, he made a bunch of genuinely worrying tweets and videos making it seem he was in danger. He even set up an alarm thing where if something was to happen to his heart rate it would send out a tweet of the details or something like that. Codes were being tweeted by him and everyone was finding them to be severely worrying. The kill switch went off and it was tweeted out, people called the police and such to find him, they did as far as I'm aware, completely fine. He wanted to make an 'alternate reality arg' which involved him pretending he was in genuine danger that he had to set up kill switches and leave behind cryptic clues. This seems vaguely similar to this scenario, channel was dying so they try something drastic.
0 likesEvery video i click on from EmpLemon is a whole story and then some
0 likesI know what he did seemed shallow, and it probably was . But I suppose there is the possibility that it was a poorly done cry for help. Maybe he actually is/was seriously depressed, and that was his way of telling people. Or maybe I'm wrong and he's just a crappy person. I dunno. I've struggled with mental health my whole life and suicide is kind of a personal topic to me. I just hope he's okay and that he learns that what he did wasn't right.
0 likesYep I had been thinking on it and it was a pretty terrible thing for him to do
0 likesEven if he's innocent, he never listened to the people. He never changed. That's the one thing I find wrong about him. He was just too pretentious to realize that his content was bad.
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Maybe if you actually gave constructive criticism instead of saying “normie reeeeee” or “you kill memes”, he could of tried to improve! Telling someone to delete their channel or the other quotes I stated above over a meme is not criticism at all! It’s just being an asshole! If you didn’t say any of that stuff to BTM at all, then good on you, but sadly, those kinds kinds of comments outweighed the people who actually tried to give constructive criticism! No, him faking depression was not okay, but don’t act like what the meme people did was much better! They harassed this guy and sent him death threats because apparently, “their memes were under attack” OH GOD, NO!!! Yet, they try to cover it up by saying that he should of listened to their “criticism” (emphasis on the word criticism for you know why), but that just makes them no different than BTM himself!
7 likesAw you got soft on me?? How does he have good intentions? He’s a naive fool who should be hated!
0 likesI'm not going to hate him, never did. I really don't give too shits about what's going on.
0 likesBehind the meme is going down a downward spiral
0 likesWhen you bully and shit on a guy to make Minute Memes only to have it flop so you feel bad.
3 likesI thought Behind the Meme was roasted to death
0 likesBehind the Meme
0 likesis on a Downward Spiral
Judge: empLemon is...GUILTY!
0 likes(Smicity smackity smack smack)
I like the guy he helps kill memes.
0 likesSpeak the truth, brother
0 likesI mean, good point, but you uploaded a video on emperor lime making fun of the fake suicide so this entire video seems hypocritical.
0 likesEmplemon killed the words normie and kekistan with that video.
0 likesHave anyone realized this?
okay, what the fuck? how’d the hell did I not know about this? I hated Behind the meme before, but not with a burning passion. I didn’t think he was nieve, but after his RIP Robbie Rotten video, (RIP) I gainer s o m e respect for the guy. After these cryptic videos, I believe he’s someone who might want a fresh start so he tried to do something to raise mental health awareness or suicide awareness but obviously failed.
0 likesTop ten anime plot twists
3 likesI feel like his last 5 videos reflect the channel.
0 likesHe commit suicide in the 5th video.
His channel died after that.
Perhaps he knew that his channel was about to die.
So are we good going to talk about bowserette?
3 likesHey man much love been watching since your old ytp's
0 likesWow this video really took an unexpected turn
0 likesI swear you said you would never talk about BehindTheMeme channel in your downwards spiral video and would leave him alone.
0 likeswow the visual on this vid actually hurts my eyes
2 likesOh boy and his channel is meant to be a meme review channel
1 likeEmplemon, your so cool.
0 likesAlso, he said he was also going through some things.
0 likesIt is considered too late to be forgiven, nor forgotten, Emp. The damage is done, and you have no power to fix anymore.
5 likesIt is like the monument of Ozymandias. You cannot make it up to me, nor anyone else like that broken statue; the monument of your sins.
The incident made you beyond redemption, as this can't be fixed anymore. You can avoid making the same mistakes to people who actually tried to explain the memes, but you can't fix the past that made permanent enemies.
Such is life. And life finds a way to come back to haunt you to your grave. This is coming from life experience.
behind the meme more like behind the curtains is him crying at the demise of his channel
0 likesTop 10 anime plot twists
3 likesWe should have probably all thought like this from the beginning
0 likesAnd the emperor of lemons has left his empire for awhile
0 likesFor those who didn't watch the original part .5:
0 likesGG
You should move to lesson in meme culture(batter than bihind the meme)
2 likesStill not a fan of his content cause it feels like everything is spoonfed. I guess there is some truth to your point. However, the huge suicide thing is way too much for me as I suffer from severe depression. The suicide thing honestly made me not want to even look at him anymore. I just ignore him so whatever.
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I suffered from depression, and the series is actually well made. I just feel like he executed the end WAY too poorly.
0 likesThe best backhand compliment ever
0 likesCan tell that 90% of people saying shit to him just went with it because Everyone else did
0 likesSo he was a " Spongebob" and turned into a "Squidward" due to hate
1 likeOk this is epic
2 likesbehind the meme is lost in the downward spiral
0 likesThis makes me feel like a piece of shit
2 likesSome of these "heart grew 3 inches" comments makes me think of a Grinch movie for Lemon
0 likesSeriously the guy probably made the last set of videos because he was confused by all the negative attention from his videos. I mean amateur videos explaining memes are not justifiable for what happened to him, and what would anyone do in a situation where you can't defend yourself for doing literally nothing? Look what it did to John Proctor for instance.
0 likesBehind The Meme reminds me of Forrest Gump.
0 likesbehind the meme? more like behind the grave
1 likeYou bring up a good point
0 likesYouTube: Let's just push this to the side and Demonitize all of his videos like leafyishere.
1 likeLooks like there’s no tap dancing on behind the memes coffin singing we are the champions
0 likesyou could say BtM is on a D O W N W A R D S P I R A L
0 likesWow. Very nice job.
1 likeMaybe BTM really does have depression and this is just his way of expressing himself
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If you watch his latest video, you can see that this was all for 'raising suicide awareness'. I believe it's all a publicity stunt to jump-start his new channel.
0 likesDid you ever here the tragedy of Darth behind the meme
1 likeI didn't even realize this was a thing until yesterday when I read your tweet
0 likesFake suicide he attempted but he realize that his earning revenue while this other youtubers doesnt believe Behind The Meme was the youtuber or memer to watch
1 likeAs someone who knew a person who killed them self, I find BTM’s latest actions despicable and immoral.
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I get that that but they did come from a genuine place. But yeah a discussion vlog probably would have been a better way to handle it.
6 likes"unintentionally" despicable and immoral. It doesn't help that Logan Paul set the standard low. BTM ain't no Logan.
20 likesAs some who has had to stop a friend from killing themselves with a pipe-bomb. As a friend of some-one who has schizophrenia that brings him to suicidal urges at least 3 times a week.
8 likesAs a friend of someone who I had to inform had all the major symptoms of PTSD from his ex fiance raping him and that he needed to start seeing a therapist because each night he would wake up feeling like he was in a life or death situation because of what she did and how because of where he lived he wouldn't get a fair trial.
As a friend who has been the only thing stopping all these 3 separate people i've listed from taking their own life I think you need to move on and learn when to let go of the pain and learn when to forgive because he in all of his heart he just wanted to make things better for everyone but just made things worse for themselves and that is truly at the heart of what people experience when they take their own life if not wanting to feel pain anymore.
If you really did lose someone that way you didn't learn what you should of from it. Be forgiving, please... it's just about the only way to make this world a bit better of a place that everyone can do.
Winston Smith damn man
1 likeEmotions don't equal logical thinking. Don't always let your emotions effect your judgement, in a situation like this, he tried to do something for genuine intent.
5 likesI have no strong feelings one way or the other.
0 likesIt would be cool if emp did an vid on the rise and fall of club penguin
0 likesWhat a normie move he did
0 likesWhy does this sound like an audiobook?
1 likechecks behindthememe's channel's videos after hearing first ~0:50
1 likeWHOA WHAT BITCH WHAT THE FUCK ARG INCOMING
That's the worst thing I've ever heard. He should have never even thought about doing that. Suicide jokes are funny, but unironically faking a down word spiral ending with a fake gunshot is not ok, especially if he was doing that trying to "cause awareness"
1 likeI wanted to believe it was fake, but I couldn't shake the feeling that it was real. The thing that concerned me the most was that the videos were on auto upload so he could've been dead for a week by the time the last video was out. Of course I knew it was fake when he shot himself in the last video.
0 likesEven though he was faking it, he still made me feel bad. I felt guilty for the state he was in. All he wanted to do was make harmless meme videos for fun and we made fun of and bully him relentlessly. The videos humanized him and showed the harshness of the internet. Although annoying, he was always so positive in his videos and got a disproportionate amount of hate for what he did.
And bullying a man to suicide isn't what Stéfan would've wanted.
I mean he did confessed that his channel would be dead and gone
1 likeHonestly dude I knew this was fake just because it’s like a creepypasta. Like it feels straight out of a creepypasta
0 likesInteresting video but please never use that background on a commentary video again, its really trippy looking at it
2 likesBehindTheMeme: All according to plan...!
0 likesR.I.P Behind The Meme
0 likesyou know, thats some really good points
0 likesWait i thought you ended his life months ago
0 likesThis is wholesome
0 likesKnew the whole time you were acting like a great big chad.
1 likeLmao teenagers trying to defend themselves at school from being considered normies from watching Behind the Meme when your video blew up.
An EmpLemon video that's UNDER 20 MINUTES LONG!??!!?!!
0 likesWho are you and what have you done with the real EmpLemon!!!!
For all we know it could be obfuscating stupidity.
0 likesEmplemons Heart grew three sizes that day.
0 likesBTM: Boohoo, people said mean things to me on the internet, better off myself :'(((
0 likesHello internet and welcome to behind the meme and today we are talking about the trollface
1 likeWhat in the heck did you think he was doing??? That's all he's ever been is some weirdo with a following on the internet.
0 likesHis content changed because of this experience
1 likeI think this whole behind the meme incident show how horrible the internet can be. Yes he did pretty clumsily make that series but like Emp said he did it with good intentions, the one of the things I've taken away from this video is that the internet is so used to seeing people make up identity's that are strictly on the internet and aren't good representations of how someone is, that if someone were to truly just be themselves on the internet that the internet would get confused and just kinda do this sort of shit because they think it's all an act. Maybe we should take this lesson and be more true to ourselves.
0 likesWtf I love BTM now
3 likesHonestly, this is a double-edged sword for me. On one side, I do feel bad for BTM. The amount of hate that this guy is getting is a bit too much. Sure, memes are an important factor to our lives. They can save lives, change history, and just be there to get an idea out in the fastest way possible. I know the guy's trying, it's just that he misunderstands his position in the memescape, as a teacher. Memes(at least the good ones) take time to make, research, and share, and I do believe that he could've had potential, only if he took the time to fully get the best research into the topic.
69 likesNow on the other side of the spectrum, I do feel like BTM is kind of being a pity bitch. Yes, I do get the fact that some people are more sensitive than others, but this is a fully grown adult, shown by him able to buy vodka. Surely, he should at least take in the criticism that was bought up in Emp's video on him. The main problem with BTM, is that he markets himself as the meme god that knows all, but when in reality, he barely knows about what the memes he reviews. All he does is read off an out-dated web-page and call's it a day. Hell, he barely gives any GOOD examples. Sure, I know what copyright is, but at least he should've asked some of the people who make the memes to borrow a clip from them as an example for the video. Looping back to Emp's video, where most of the hate came from, he mentions most of what I've typed here. What I typed is the MAIN problem with BTM, but watch the video for more information and to get what I'm saying. Otherwise, I'll leave you with this...
Dear BTM and his haters, there is no winner here. With you haters, all you do is spam BTM with misunderstood meaning based on Emp's video. You guy's over-did it. But it's just as bad for BTM to act in such an immature way, doing stuff for attention. There truly is no winner between BTM over the outsiders, both have lost to the ultimate fate, YouTube itself...
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Yup...
0 likes@Galaxi
1 likeDidn't even bother
Dr.Dotty the fact that u calling it a double edged sword is too edgy for me
4 likesI know, but that's how the situation was, edgy.
0 likes" Sure, memes are an important factor to our lives."
1 likeAside from 2016, it really isn't.
Yeah...what I meant were the good ones, but some of the memes from that year were kinda decent...*kinda*...
0 likesIt isn't unlike an adult to get consumed with fame. However, "overcome with fame" is the least accurate description of BehindTheMeme there is. Sure, he was ignorant, but he has amazingly good intentions. Sure, he may come off as lazy, but what EmpLemon is trying to say is that he didn't do it on purpose like he originally thought.
6 likesI had Depression and Suicidal from last two years.
0 likesso basically BTM is a brainlet with a good heart
0 likesOoh, I was thirsty for some downwards spiral this morning EDIT: that was an actually disgusting to do
0 likesLife these days is Scary, if u make a commentary video about someone , it can destroy someones livelihood and send some one into depression. But some one can fake depression and suicide just to get back at someone.its scary how a little video can cause something like this.your a good guy emp ur videos are just criticism ur not attacking someone.theres nothing wrong with that.behind the meme shouldve made a response ,about how he makes these videos for fun then saying you guys attacked him his sucess.
0 likestop 10 villains that turned into the good guy
0 likesthis video is in need of a higher bit-rate😤😤
2 likesIt really do be like that sometimes
0 likesYou're a beautiful person.
0 likesThis is character development
0 likesAnd we've come full circle.
0 likesThis really makes me upset. When people fake depression and suicide it makes me disgusted. As someone who constantly struggles with depression, this just.. I can't even explain how I feel about it. It insults people like me. I honestly don't care if it's "suicide awareness". You should state that before you do it. I still don't support him with this. Emp, I really do support your opinion on this, but I just don't think I can forgive BTM for this. It's difficult. Maybe one day I can but, for now, I really can't. I thank you for making this video though. I don't HATE BTM. I really just don't support his "awareness". I hope people can understand what I'm putting out here.
0 likesAmen. 🙏
2 likesthis is a plot twist
1 likeI think emplemon is behind the meme
1 likeSounds like me when I lose one follower on instagram after a good 100 likes a day.
0 likesYou got it all wrong man, it was a test seeing if anyone would respond, and people did. And I guess in the end some people like you felt betrayed by this and want to call him a phony for what he did, but in the end it's just them having a new reason to hate on BTM. In the end, this all actually happened to him except for the gunshot to the head and you pretty much have to understand the past to know why this was done. This is why hes innocent.
1 likeAnd PS, this is all coming from the guy who made a 40 mintue video of having a DOWNWARD SPIRAL, thats just being a normie man.
This video is almost impossible to compress!
0 likeshis suicide was "poorly executed"
0 likesFuck, I've never expect to see this perspective
0 likesGreetings from Brazil 🇧🇷 I love your videos
0 likes“Youtuber comes back from dead and dies again”
0 likesProbably explains why he's obsessed with Tomi Lauren and Lauren southern
0 likesHis videos are kind of boring but yeah I agree he's probably just a genuine guy tryna live his life
0 likesBehind the meme should have said the fake suicide video was just a dark meme.
0 likesThis was the YTP equivalent of the Mr Enter controversy.
4 likesReddit is cucked and blue pilled once again
Just for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong
3 likesHow much did BehindTheMeme pay you to make this video?
0 likesI feel the same about btm the fake suicide was stupid but still he is probably depressed though.
0 likesI thought he killed his own channel 6 months ago
1 likeHoly crap, this time line
0 likeshave you ever watched his draw my life video?
0 likesi learned my lesson from mcjuggernuggets
1 likeThis is like Spongebob's "Ripped Pants" joke but in real life and even worse.
0 likesEmplemon became homer Simpson
2 likesSo when is the EmpLemon x BTM comics coming out?
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never
5 likes*fanfiction
8 likesDON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS
11 likesoh god no, leave that thought alone please
4 likesAs soon as we're done with Bowsette. So never
7 likesDeviantart wants to know your location.
9 likesNot slash, but I would like to see maybe a collab between these 2. It would be beyond heartwarming to see these 2 guys genuinely become friends.
1 likeWhat is BTM?
0 likesBehindTheLemon
3 likesThat’s pretty hot, m8
1 likeI want it
0 likesTop 10 anime battles of all time
2 likesHey Emp, are planning to make new video analyzing the current state of YouTube? (Almost like a sequel to "YT has
0 likesbeing on a DOWNWARD SPIRAL!)
Someone edit it into crab rave
0 likes- Behind The Meme Is Gone -
i though BTM was completely gone off the web
0 likesThere were people who thought it was real? Lol
0 likesMy only question is why no one thought that doxxing was going too far.
0 likesI thought this was gonna lead to btm shilling BetterHelp.
0 likesWoah.. pat Now this is what I like to listen about
0 likesYou doin good kid :)
0 likesPeople still hating on BMT :/ that suck
2 likesHonestly I don't think a naive idiot should be able to have influence over 800000 other naive little kids, especially when he's gonna do stuff like that, I don't feel sorry for him
0 likesdamage control.
1 likeEvery Villain Is Lemons
1 likehot damn this video is hotter than a spoon at Demi Lovato's house
0 likesWait what emplemon your good now? I guess i should subscribe to you now
0 likesThe background kills the YouTube quality.
2 likesDouble plot twist: he actually commits suicide.
0 likesthis is so sad can we gay erp on emp's discord server?
1 likewait, who are you defending?
0 likesBehind the Meme? More like Behind the Green!
0 likesI'd rather have a hundred Behind The Memes than a Ricegum or Logan Paul
0 likesIm waiting for a explanation of 4chan.
0 likesI honestly thought YOU were behind the meme
0 likesA moment of silence.
0 likesYour voice kinda sounds like behind the meme's voice.
0 likesNever assume someone does bad things out of malice rather than stupidity.
2 likesHE FUCKING PULLED A SPONGEBOB.
3 likesWait, so Behind The Meme made a shitty ARG? huh.
0 likesAhhh haven't been here in a while
257 likesGoes back into hiding
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Please we need you jamaree
1 like0_0.more like this dude is sociopathic in behind the meme
0 likesI never believed the edgy vid series anyway
0 likesoooooh emplemon... you know that most people you come to hate are exactly that? Fool with the heart at the right place?
0 likesgeee. Iunno what else to say but - try to be objective -
I already knew that hating on a nigga trying to please people with meme videos was stupid and yall drove him to a point of depresso
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Jesus Da Lawd hes not depressed tho
0 likesMust suck being a court appointed lawyer
0 likesAt the end of the day, remember you are responsible, you purposely created the video knowing your fanbase would attack BTM. I think some people fail to remember that behind a YouTube channel is a human being. I honestly hope you are happy with yourself, screw being the better person let’s just go after anyone we don’t like. Also don’t distract others by criticizing his obvious suicide joke, you and a bunch of other youtubers bullied a man into insanity. Have fun sleeping at night.
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All things considered, how was emp supposed to know that? BTM looked like an average clickbaity cash grab channel that clearly didn’t know what they were talking about to everyone with half a brain back then. With this context now, sure it’s fucked up, but acting as if Emp is some all-knowing God that still attacked BTM while knowing that he was a genuine guy all along is just ignorant. Like you said, it’s important to remember that behind every YouTube channel is a human being, Emp is a human being too, he’s not exempt to mistakes.
15 likes@BilmoBlampkins I fail to see how any of this makes him a jerk, he manned up and admitted he was wrong, that’s the least jerky thing a person can do in a situation like this one was.
19 likesImagine taking nonsensical images and videos on the internet so passionately where you just cancel someone.
15 likes@Jim Milton Saying that you're wrong doesn't mean you can keep being a jerk.
2 likesNext Frying comments vid
0 likesidk man i think you just flipped the switch because you realised how shocking it was if behindthememe did kill himself because of hate.
0 likesyour porbably gonna say this comments super dumb but it was just an idea i had while watching it its probably not true
Have you even seen his newest video explaining why?
0 likesOh, what's this..? Do I smell... Empathy..?
0 likesBehind the meme is in a DoWnWaRd SpIrAl
0 likesYou can't kill what is already dead.
0 likesEmpLemon's become f*ing buddha. Well couldn't see it coming.
0 likesThis kinda reminds me of that episode of family guy where peter is labeled as “Special” and does stupid things but gets away with them because he was stupid. God I hate Family Guy anyway, good video in all honesty, I always kind of had a feeling that Ky was a good guy behind his youtube persona.
6 likesThe problem is that he doesn’t understand what he is doing. I don’t think BTM is aware that he just had people on his side for the first time and he fucked it all up
0 likesBehind The Meme's channel was being hated towards the end, anyways.
0 likesObviously he's not depressed.
0 likesHow can you defend that thing
0 likesis it just me or does emp like to have purple and green in some of his thumbnail
0 likesHe put his seedling in the dirt.
0 likesWhat a downward spiral
1 likei never thought about it that way
0 likesLooks like he learned this from One of the Pauls
0 likesThis is really cute.
0 likesI kinda wanna know where you get that vortex background..
0 likesT H E M I C Q U A L I T Y
0 likesBehind the meme is a naughty boy
0 likesThe utter arrogance of you, you can't even apologize, after all the grief you brought BTM you still think you have any right to judge him.. after all the hate you commanded you think you can just commend it to stop, it doesn't work like that, you can't even say you were wrong and say you're sorry.. smh
1 liketop 10 anime plot twists
0 likesstill tho nice vid lem
So for once it’s not your channel in a downward spiral
0 likesBased Emp. Great respect for anyone who can admit to a mistake.
5 likesTop 10 twist villains in Disney movies
0 likesIt makes complete sense now.
0 likesTop 10 Anima Plot Twists of all time
0 likesBehind the Meme: the next Stuff with Scout Fly? Or the next Mr.Enter?????
0 likesWhile he may be a guy who’s trying to make educational videos, he never really sought to change anything after being criticized, he never tried to change to become better, he had opportunities and never took them. He should’ve, instead of deciding to fake shoot himself, making people angry, decided to hold the gun, and then given the speech. Honestly, this was not well thought out on his part, and I feel he does deserve a heap of criticism.
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That's true. I remember this being the reason why the tv show "The Monkees" was canceled in the 60s. The show became formulaic and the NBC executives were resistance to change the formula.
0 likesYou either grow or you die.
And remember, cops are kiiing
0 likesHe gets death threats, he was doxxed. I'm not saying anymore.
0 likesWhy are you hypnotizing me?
1 likeBehind the meme is a meme
0 likesHonestly thought he was just a cringey person who made bad content until he released that video.
12 likesEdit: Listened to the whole thing and I can see where your coming from. However he’s never really tooken any tips to improve his content which would’ve directly lead to more entertaining content for his fanbase.
Top 10 plot twists in anime
0 likesLmao behind the meme is crazy and cool as fuck
0 likesAw boo hoo! Let me play a sad song for ya on the world's smallest violin... 🎻
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Nice one Squidward
1 likeYou know what I will help him rebuild his channel
2 likesBehind The Meme is dead..
60 likesOr is it? (Vsauce theme plays)
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Someone's been playing Dodj or Daar.
1 likeBut you did ruin his life lol
0 likesStable video 👍
0 likesSounds strangely reminiscent of the Dream controversy.
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The internet truly never change, doesn't it?
0 likesThey're shaking hands?, THEY'RE SHAKING HANDS!!!, EMP LEMON, HAS SOLD HIS SOUL!, to Behind The Meme!
12 likesstill... did he actually wanted to help a community?, like, he wanted to introduce normies to memes, to help them fit (he did it in the worst way possible tough), and now, he wanted to support an ACTUAL cause?, this was a legit plot twist
as Emp said, the guy just wants to support people and help them on the wild internet world, he just doesn't seem to get it right
Don't feel bad. A lot of Clickbait Youtubers are turning around or killing their channels because of people like you. HeII I haven't had a CleanPrinceGaming or H3H3 in my recs for a month now. These guys aren't scum but the do know the con game and will do the least amount of work to pull money from people.
0 likes#LEAVEBEHINDTHEMEMEALONE
0 likesSo... no august & september minute memes?
2 likesThanks doc.
0 likesI didn't realize I have a sub for both channels until now.
0 likesis this a dueling duelest druel parody?
1 likeThanks Kanye, very cool!
0 likesGood on ya
0 likesEmp, my only problem with the BTM video is that Fantano stuff. It doesn’t age well.
0 likesThanks to Bowsette, this bacame crap!
0 likesYou should do a YouTube geographic on Grade A Under A
0 likesYouTube's algorithm and the shit excuses they make for demonetization, not giving us all notifications, allowing the exploitation and manipulation of the core audience, and not giving a damn about content creators that aren't cash cows, has really made this platform a cesspool of terrible YouTubers. Ricegum, the Paul brothers, and all the prepubescent hypebeasts that watch them are willing to shower down hateful, downright disrespectful comments on people that even dare criticize them. These people who watch Logan and Jake and Ricegum would support them no matter what shitty decisions and douchbaggery they commit, and in the end these youtubers don't learn a single thing, and go back to do more bad decisions, all for money. Nowadays, the really big Youtubers who aren't in it for money and attention are dwindling.
0 likesIf you were one of those that bullied him, there really is something wrong with you if you think knowing some funny images makes you superior to others
3 likesD O W N W A R D S P R I A L
0 likesEPILEPSY WARNING!
0 likesOther YouTubers have been doing the same thing- Check out the BetterHelp controversy because it’s very interesting.
0 likesA lot of the people that watched it probably knew it was fake, the only people who commented were people who thought it was true
0 likesBehindTheMeme is the new Chris Chan?
0 likesEPILEPSY WARNING
1 likeTop 10 anime plot twists
0 likesTop 10 anime plot twists
0 likesI miss your ytps
0 likes@0:30 omg he's gonna say downward spiral
0 likesGreat non apology.
0 likesDidn't he monotize them tho?
0 likesnow i feel bad
0 likesDisturbing? More like edgy
0 likesHe pulled a Grinch on us boys.
0 likesDo you want to kill me with those rotating colours?
0 likesOnly normies call people normies, real outsiders wait for the problem to be over
1 likeAll he did some shitty explanation copypasta videos from wikipedia and knowyourmeme
0 likesNow people are treating him like he is the next logan paul or something
Emp yu dah real MVP.
0 likesT h E d O w N w O r D s S p R i R a L
0 likesi acutely liked him bc i dont use twitter ;-;
0 likesAh! more youtube drama
0 likesokay how much did he pay you
0 likesI subscribed to him again.
0 likesHey at least we kinda got a face reveal
0 likesI’m never going to forgive you. The end.
0 likesWhat doed he mean when he says BTMs videos are fake, the suicide prank was pretty wrong, but what about the others? Is emp reffering to the dark jokes BTM makes in his videos?
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Juan Diego Torres no, he was talking about the suicide videos
0 likesI knew it was fake cuz who would talk about 69 when their depressed
0 likesHe got CRAZY
0 likesI couldn't feel bad for someone that faked depression and suicide for views.
0 likesIt's like Game Theory
0 likesBehind the Meme has finally been able to manipulate you.
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Bold of you to assume Behind the Meme is capable of such an act
6 likesI knew it was a set up
0 likesI cried
0 likesI second time I see this video... I have no words
0 likesr/thathappened
1 likeIs that a dead meme in my locker?
0 likesdid you get sponsored by behind the meme
2 likesits a joke FFS chill
You didn't have to ruin someone's career just because YOU didn't like his content
6 likes+Respect
4 likesAt the end of the day BTM is just a human. Emp lemon is a human. You are just a human and so am I.
1 likeTop ten anime plot twist
0 likesRiding on trends, being as least offensive as possible and and not using curse words are definitely things you do to pander the algorithm. Imo he has good intentions but money is still the thing that drives him.
0 likesis this a behind the meme of behind the meme
0 likesthank you.
1 likeApparently "criticism is hARasSMEnt"
0 likesWow so that's what happened to the guy
0 likesBTM is like a kid's YouTube channel, it may be bad to mediocre, but let them have fun.(just as long as they dont hurt anyone)
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what do you mean by a kid's youtube channel
0 likesone run by a child or one that makes spiderman and elsa child abuse insult your own parents videos
@Quackers Encheese one made by a child or young teenager (like me)
1 like(But im cringey)
1 likeTotally forgot who this dude was until this video
21 likesTHE ONLY THING THAT FOR SURE ABOUT EMPLEMON, IS NOTHING’S FOR SURE
1 likeTo teach is to pity.
0 likesYou always seem to sway my opinion, emp!
0 likesI think I’m a normie pls help me
0 likesWho else liked the video before watching it?
0 likeswheres Logan Paul when you need him?
1 likeCan you do a minute meme on Bowzette? In fact can you do more minute memes?
2 likesI don’t feel sympathy cuz I’m just an asshole
0 likesThank you
1 likemakes a meme review out of this video
0 likesYou probably should've said this before murdering his channel...
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@abandoned channel "it took me a year-and-a-half to realize that I was wrong" - EmpLemon's description. A year and a half after he slit the channel's throat
3 likes@XITCIX well ya can't blame him. most find behind the meme's channel vary annoying.
0 likes@abandoned channel Yeah it is crap content, but I was just saying that he's basically apologizing to a channel that is long gone, so it is kinda useless now.
3 likes@XITCIX just because he isn't working on his dead channel doesn't mean he wont come back at some point in time it's his choice if he does it's most likely in a different channel you really shouldn't look at channels like a living thing it's not.You can make another channel for video editing as long as you have the tools and know how he ain't gone.
0 likes@abandoned channel Yeah, he might come back, but it is still a dead channel. What is your point?
3 likes@XITCIX well why do you care? Most people forget dead channels anyway your just being confusing for the sake of it kiddo.
0 likes@abandoned channel Dude I don't even know what you are trying to argue about. If anybody is being confusing it is you. I said the channel is dead, you said he might come back as if I disagreed with that. Perhaps you are just too old to remember anything or understand argument structure.
2 likes@XITCIX ya sure buddy like my age matters at all when it comes to argument structure when most dont give a single damn about argument structure to begin with. Talk about that subject in school or college buddy its the internet not English class.
0 likes@abandoned channel Yet another stupid point. I can't understand anything you are trying to convey? How am gonna have an internet argument if the opposing member can't even argue?
2 likes@XITCIX because I don't care
0 likes@abandoned channel That comment is a prime example of you making absolutely no sense
1 likeI didn't even understand a word of what he said.
0 likesMy eyes burn so much
0 likesGotta love Youtube allowing fake suicide videos....
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They didn't, the video got taken down not long after it was uploaded...
1 likeThis video made me sad.
0 likesyoutube burning
21 likesThis is fine
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youtubes been burning since 2014
2 likesYoutube is a mansion.
1 likeTakes time.
TAKES TIME
1 likeI Subscribed to Behind the Meme
0 likeswholesome
1 likeI AM DEPRESSEDSAPCITO.
1 likeDownward spiral trent reznor meme.
0 likespewdiepie kills memes and nobody attacked him
0 likesBeing nice instead of causing drama? On my YouTube?
0 likesThe SpongeBob of YouTube.
0 likesDang mobile cut-out. XD
0 likesWheel and deal, was that reference to Gavlan?
0 likesN O R M I E S C A N T C O M M I T
0 likesN E C K R O P E
Emplemon Downwards spiral
0 likesEmplemon :/ god has touched you.
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God has touched him and Jesus kissed him on the lips.
0 likesI mean the guy tried bringing the history of memes for us historical lore/history nerds and to normies in a easily digestible way. I'm not saying he didn't deserve criticism..... but yeah the guy screwed up royally.
4 likesAnd that's how you fail to make a PSA. Good job Emplemon.
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I may hate behind the meme less now but I still have no intention to watch his content due to lack of intrest
0 likesThat's deep
0 likesStill better than Logan Paul's "Suicide awareness" video.
0 likesThis ain’t it chief.
0 likesThis is kinda sad tbh.
0 likesBehind the Meme: independent you tuber?
0 likesGood shit bro. Always loved your vids. Great to see you're also a stand up guy!
0 likesWell ain't this poetic as fuck
0 likesI can’t believe this, defending Behind The Meme
11 likesDid I shit my pants, or did my pants shit me?
0 likesWait, this isn't the = 3 channel.
1 likeHe just did a Face reveal
0 likesThis video is alright.
1 likeBehind the meme is Daily Dose of Internet
18 likesThe voices match
The videos are given unnecessary information
They get views!
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Daily dose of internet actually makes good content thought, he puts something in the title, you enter the video and the first clip is the thing from the title and then you are free to leave or continue to watch the video.
11 likes@Miss Kobe Yoshi He uploaded the video in 2016,but he deleted it.
1 likeLook at the desc.
I just wanna know you btm cycle in a reply idk why just do it but anyway here’s mine
0 likesLike btm-emp shows me some criticism for btm- I hate btm- emu post a video redeeming btm- I like btm as a happy person that trys to help those that don’t know and is criticized for doing something that he thought he was expanding. And also doesn’t try to do things for views and money.
h a n l o n ' s r a z o r
0 likesBoi he sounds like behind the meme
0 likesEmp’s all acting like he’s apart of a special devision of people who knew it was fake even though there were plenty
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gay
0 likesYou had a /pol/ moment. You were right, and sometimes, you wish you weren't.
7 likesFeelsbadman.jpg
never thought I’d see this
0 likesokay but is the epileptic background needed man wtf
0 likesAm I the only one who legit didn't mind Behind the meme videos? As long as he does older memes I don't see why he deserves a bunch of hate.
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youre not the only one,I didn't care about the idea of "dead memes"
2 likesTop 10 Anime villain converts.
18 likesThis video is probably made to defend emp lemon if behind the meme kills himself
0 likesYou seem nice
1 likeWho is "BehindTheMeme"?
0 likesthe sp00kiest video title i have ever read...
0 likesIt’s a world gone mad
0 likesI mean if it wasn’t fake and he died you’d be up shit creek without a paddle. I think the message here is that online harassment isn’t cool and fucking with them because they ruin memes to the point they get depressed isn’t cool either. Plus if he did kill himself you’d be found undoubtedly, unavoidably guilty and charged for online harassment. Up shit creek without a paddle. :/
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I’m saying this because you don’t really seem to get the message that you can literally be convicted and held responsible if you push someone to kill them self. Not sure if you were aware of how the law works, but you can’t really plead innocent especially when you acknowledge the fact you inspired so much shit against some dude who just wanted to make videos. That’s a guilty plea right there and easily a decade in federal prison. I think that’s the point of BTM’s recent videos is to acknowledge that actions have consequences.
1 likeI....I never thougt about it...now I feel bad...
0 likeswtf i love behind the meme now
1 likeActual footage of EmperorLemon starting French Revolution 2 on Internet. Can't tell if that sounds bad or good.
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Hmmmmm idk if it's good or bad either.
0 likesa nuff is a nuff
1 likeBehind the meme review
0 likestoo late he's dead now lol
2 likesSeriously? Yea sure you might be Right......but he very easily could have just put up a video showing his support for people with depression. At what point would you think doing anything else is better.
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that's his main point (also hello from the future) BTM was so innocent, ignorant and lacked so much self-awareness that he genuinely thought that series of videos were for a noble cause and expected no backlash despite the obvious signs of it.
0 likesBehind The Fraud
1 like"IT would seem that..."
0 likesNo. It doesn't SEEM like he took advantage of his audience and used serious issues for attention, that's EXACTLY what he did.
This kinda reminds me of chris chan,but BTM isnt autistic and he actually got an apology. He was just trying to do something his way just to be misunderstood by everyone else. I do think his format doesnt fit the culture, but he was.doing what he thought was right
0 likesdude the moving background is hurting my eyes :/
0 likesWhy the fuck did I never hear about this?
0 likesDidn't see this coming....
0 likesBehind the Meme is a Spongebob
1 likeThanks Doc
0 likesHow noble. He ruined his reputation and only apologized because he pretended to kill himself
0 likesHello internet and welcome to behind the meme and today we will be looking at behind the meme ok so I’ve seen a bunch of you recommending this in the comments...
0 likesHe fucking said it was fake by putting skulls
1 likeI still think you guys are the same person
1 likethis video hurt eyes of me
0 likesyall really only be realising this now lmao
0 likes"Poorly executed"
0 likesHa.
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I did nazi that coming
0 likesSo you're saying the guy has autism?
0 likesOf all the things to make me say WTF...
0 likesexcuse but is this an upward spiral
0 likesThank👏you👏
2 likesInnocence? Or ignorance.
1 likekinda sad that 95% of the top comments rn are people who commented on the video a few minutes after it came out without actually watching it or giving it a chance
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What? I haven't seen any
0 likesGrant Mitchell at the time of posting this (which was about an hour or two after the video was posted) most of the top comments in the comments section had been posted within minutes of it coming out. it wasn’t a good place to be at that time.
0 likesMost of his jokes are self bashing
0 likesUbisoft Goes Steamworks Bye Bye
0 likesNah. No reason to walk it back.
0 likesMake more YTP videos.
0 likesBTM=Spongebob. EmpLemon=Squidward.
0 likesLack of editing but good
0 likesHate the content not the person
6 likeswow, you might be decent after all, no offense :D
0 likesHe did it better then logan tbh....
0 likesi knew it was a fake
0 likesBehind The Meme more like Behind The Gaye lol
1 likeWe are all human
1 likeI never disliked Behind-the-meme. He isn't particularly charismatic on entertaining, but he just does what he does... why does he get so much hate for that?
0 likesAfter watching your other video, I finally understood the hatred and it is sad how memes are being murdered in milliseconds nowadays. I don't think Behind-the-meme deserves hate though; he didn't know what he was doing, he just likes being able to make videos and share interests. Yes, he is lacking in a lot of knowledge, skill and showmanship, but there are many people like that on the internet.
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I mean the fake suicide stunt is a bad thing thi
0 likessounding really buthurt lemon
0 likesBehind behind the meme?
0 likesNo the video was made to show others what there hate and cruelty put him through he is showing what else could of happened if they did this to other people.
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People didn’t even care about the message he was distributing
0 likesI couldn't watch the rest of this because of the videos visuals it made me want to vomit
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Well it's just filler background, you're not meant to watch it just listen.
0 likesNormies don’t know what suicide and depression are, so everything is a ok
2 likesI wish PewDiePie would go back to horror games.......you no back when he was funny
0 likesI feel like history is repeating itself somehow. Emplemon makes a video ripping on BTM, then his fans maliciously attack him, causing btm to essentially disappear and then make some disturbing and concerning videos. Then Emplemon makes a video addressing the situation. Hmmm. That kinda reminds me of the time that Leafy ripped on Tommy C in a video that caused Leafy’s fans to maliciously attack him, causing him to make an emotionally distressed video about the threats he’s receiving. Leafy then makes a video addressing the situation. Hmmm, it also reminds me when Emplemon compared his similarities to Leafy. Hmmmmmm...
0 likesTHE BEHINDTHEMEME SAGA CONTINUES
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Sorry kid, this is where it ended.
0 likesYouTube won't notify me but will recommend you.
0 likesSo what this video is basically saying is "He's just a baby boy! He doesn't know any better!"
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I feel like btm knows too much, hes an actor tricking us all and pulling the right strings to get money
0 likesD o w n w a r d S p i r a l ?
0 likesWhat the fuck all of a sudden I’m not getting any more notifications from emplemon. RREEEEEEEEEE
0 likesOwO 🅱️ and yeah I agree. And I saw them all. Also the first video I thought was real because he was just sitting down talking. But by the second I realized it was fake.
20 likesstill doesn't change the fact his actions are awful. naive or kind or not, respect has been lost, if there was any in the first place.
4 likesAlas, poor scrappy.
0 likeswell lets forget about this
0 likesMe looking for the hurricane meme like
0 likesI'm watching this at 4:20
0 likesOh my godness
0 likesEmpLemon is weird
0 likesPlay Stupid Games
0 likesWin Stupid Prizes
You have become the very thing your fan base swore to destroy(read title)
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Sir GrandPappy
0 likesone does not simply use the N-Word cause it mirrors themselves.
Alberto C. Routwell i was using it ironically
0 likesSir GrandPappy
0 likesJust stating the obvious
Alberto C. Routwell true, true
0 likesFINALLY
0 likesNext video
1 likeIn defence of FouseyTube
Little did you know that behindthememe has manipulated your feelings and this was his plan all along to garner more traffic to his channel and some positive rep from someone of your high position in the meme community.
0 likesYou've been played like a fiddle.
the comments section looks like tumblr
0 likesTraitor.
1 likeThere is NO defending someone who fakes suicide notes and a suicide "scene" or whatever you want to call that sick idea he put into action, purely for views and attention before he leaves his dying channel.
0 likesI agree
0 likesI joined and it said Unlisted.
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RoboticTea same
6 likesSame
2 likesSAME
2 likeswe were all faster then time
2 likesRoboticTea did you come from notifications?
4 likesyeah
1 likeSamen't
1 likethx i made it myself full pic : https://twitter.com/RoboticTea/status/1046108999966502913
1 likeI respectfully disagree. He was going for money, attention, and influence and is also a fool. Why did he monetize his suicide (prevention) videos?
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Hanlon's Razor; if you can prove he was doing it for monetary gain, tell me.
1 likeA year ago he got a lot of heat for monetizing his tribute video to Stéfan Karl Stefánsson. I know this guy is stupid but I find it really hard to believe that he'd make that kind of mistake again all because of stupidity. No, there's definitely greed involved.
1 likedid i read that title right?
0 likesEverybody runs out of ideas exactly just just like you
0 likesIt was still disgusting
1 likeD O W N W A R D S P I R A L
13 likesFinally
1 likeWhat timeline is this
0 likesBTM was a good guy. not a good good one but a bad good one. the one that does good but is bad at it. luckily there is one thing he's good at. we need him to make one last meme video...
0 likesbowsette needs to be dead, as dead as btm would've been if it wasn't staged.
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Debug Cat chaotic good
0 likesIk I'll get a bunch of hate I kinda feel bad for misha
0 likesBehindTheMeme sucks, how could anyone think this was a good idea?
0 likesHow much did he pay you?
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@ConnectedR says the guy who thinks im being serious
1 likewow, really hating for stupid memes that must die asap... yup a stupid world we live in
0 likesWu oh he took advantage of all of those 9-year-olds.
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Also
0 likes* Ahem *
Downward spiral
Thank me later
Also, every youtube is playing Persona 5 in the background you just got to look hard enough.
0 likesThis guy doesn't deserve hate. No one does.
0 likesAnd this is a wimpy fart near the rest of the elsa-gating, obnoxious, 30-minute long bull diarrhea we put up with on youtube daily.
BTM only got away with the mediocre meme descriptions so far because the audience AND youtube's reccomendation have standards that low.
This is so deep your Bormie Nigra
0 likesHAaaf
Ok but..
1 likefrom a detached nihilistic perspective, what the internet did to him is hilarious.
So D E E P
0 likesHe released another vid not long ago
1 likeRick and morty meme in the background
0 likesFor a person who has been battling suicide. Behind the meme fucked up on a major spectrum.
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oh sure.
0 likesThanks for the mean comment tbh. It made my day
0 likesBinski 122 dont be edgy and doot a little
0 likesRatmations my parents beat me tho
0 likesBinski 122 that makes me care even less
0 likesI know, you weren't suppose to
0 likesBinski 122 then why did you need to say that
0 likesRatmations just to see you fall for something stupid
0 likesBinski 122 is just a social experiment
0 likesMy channel ain't Joey Salas
0 likesEssentially, he didn't understand the internet... And the internet didn't understand him.
4 likes#MAKEMEMERICAGREATAGAIN! We must stick together during such split and dark times...
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The chief just told me "This is it."
1 likeIf emplemon ain't the best youtuber
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Then this video proofs that statement wrong
0 likesif it was satire. you should had said it was satire in the first place or atleast put a disclaimer.
7 likesYou Just Freakin Destroyed His Lifepoints.
There are better ways to pass a message about how bad depression and suicide.
0 likesBehind the meme no longer uploads videos now.
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Maybbe...
3 likesPeople can fight deppresion for months years and dont show it that happens alot
@YESM Boy_4 lessons in meme culture
2 likesGood to know.
1 likeReminds me of Logan Paul and his awareness Video
0 likesBut what about the video he iploaded an hour ago?
0 likesMy eyes!
1 likeIt's like Logan Paul all over again.
0 likesAttention gamers. Garfield needs your help. Make sure to give your phone number in replying to this comment. Lets grantee that Garfield gets this dub and whips plus nae naes on the default skin noobs.
0 likeswait i thought u were just making shit up and then i checked his channel lamooo
0 likesOBJECTION !
0 likesIn a way I wish more people were like BTM
1 likeIs emp actually supporting BTM?
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Top 10 Anime Plot Twists
4 likesNo, BTM is dead. He’s moving on to other stuff now. So he’s supporting the guy behind it, not the channel
0 likesThis vid hurts my eyes to look at no offence it just hurts my eyes
0 likes<3
0 likesApril isn't for another 6 months
0 likesElvis the Alien showed your video about Leafy lol
0 likesNot only was this a shitty thing to do to BTM's fans, but it actively hurts his cause. If anything, people are going to take suicide less seriously when they see a guy outright lie and joke about it.
1 likeBehindthememe was a normy, got hated, now he got edgy, and gets hated.
0 likesMy comment was on the rant and he’s just fucking duped me and just about everyone else smh
0 likesWell on the bright side, he is a really good actor.
0 likesHi everyone it’s me emplemon
138 likesAnd I’m basically done with YTP
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@SIDNEY P. RAGOONATH is your peroid done?
7 likesokay
0 likesMorshu the Sheetposter thank u my good sir
1 likehis videos have little YTP's in them
1 likeI'd rather Emp make content he feels invested in rather than catering to the pre-teens that think Spongebob Reaction Image memes are funny.
6 likesFor viewers like you. Thank you.
Hugh Mungus everything you just said makes it sounds so pathetic which makes me wonder do you have any actual friends anybody that you focus on besides people like me?🤔
0 likesRicky V but are they funny I don’t think so
0 likesFree HD McGee 😂😂you think Im one of the “pre-teens” that’s a killer I’m just stating what I think is good for his channel don’t get butt hurt cuz I made a opinion that could make his channel grow don’t like it tough shit then
0 likesIs that really a bad thing though? I thought his youtube geographic series was going pretty well. Besides, we got new and great poopers comming out of the woodwork.
0 likesPaxton Fairbanks no no I get that but come on don’t u want a day to come home from a stressful day and laugh it off with a good ytp especially from a long time pooper he should be a big shot rn be honest tho the whole meme thing he does I get it but if u want to look up the meme and where it came from just google it at the point emplemon is doing some not-so-interesting content any more but that’s just me
0 likesPlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming that’s his choice he chose to not take a successful path and make everyone’s day instead he’s doing content that probably half of his views click off a few secs later cuz it’s not interesting but I could be wrong
0 likes@Jiggy Actually, a lot his fans like these videos.
0 likesI'M DONE WITH YTP
0 likesSomebody I get that but don’t u think he’ll have a better chance at getting more views and subs if he does it again
0 likesShakarela lol
0 likesGuess what? You were right.
0 likes@Gonzalo T. wow I just came back to this comment it’s 2 years old damn I’m old😂
1 like"what up blood'
0 likesWholesome
0 likesDo frying captain underpants
0 likesWho is cutting onions here?!
0 likes#BehindTheMemeDidNothingWrong
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#BehindTheMemeFakedHisSuicideForViews
1 likeWhy does this guy sound like behind the meme
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Plot twist: He is
0 likesYou thought it was real?
0 likesK
The swirling background is giving me a headache
0 likesmakes mediocre meme reviews
7 likesEmpLemon: N O R M I E
fakes a suicide and manipulates audience
EmpLemon: nah bro u good
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The Emp is from 4chan, they have a thick skin when talking about giving yourself neck.
3 likesWackyClock there is no point, it's just a joke
0 likeswhy would people abandon us?...
0 likesbe hinnddd
2 likesthee
meeeeeeeemmmmmmeee
Hey I heard youchew is dead.
0 likesWhere the fuck is meme of the month dude
0 likesdepressing spiral
19 likesWhat have we done
0 likesHe faked his suicide and depression for attention. It was never for suicide awareness.
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If he wanted to make suicide awareness he could of shown or portrayed receiving help and make prevention aware. Not this stupid edgy shit. His channel has been getting traffic because of it.
2 likesWhen logan paul does a better job at sucide awareness then you somethings wrong
2 likesMeta much?
0 likesThey hated him cause he spoke the truth
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no
2 likesIt's official...EmpLemon has gone too far down the Spiral. Say what you want, Emp, but I'm not convinced that BTM is innocent.
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Deaj
0 likesSo you want others to hate him because of his content style? Wow that’s 3rd world bullying right there.
V0lr
3 likesI don't really give a shit what other people say/do to him. I don't like him, but I don't bully/attack him either. I just hate him because his content is the epitome of un-researched shit content that targets the lowest common denominator. If someone else wants to bully him that is none of my business and he should handle it himself. Instead we get what was his main attacker defending him because he thinks it's more incompetence than malice. All the more reason to dislike him imo.
I FOUND YOU
0 likesEthan Caldart
0 likesWho?
Make a video about DarkSydePhil
0 likesDis gun' be good.
0 likesFinaly someone that is not stupid
1 likeEmpLime
0 likesCan you do a video on Ifunny?
0 likesFor some reason YouTube didn't notafie me about this video
0 likesOh NOW you're in defense of him
1 likeWhere's finding Dory
0 likesAnd im like - meh
0 likeseeeh...nothing big. Just a troll.
0 likeswhere’s the gorillaz reference?
0 likesHe's just a normie. not a clickbaiter, or a shitposter. just a normie. innocent and bland.
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Muh memes.
0 likesWell his series is anti bully series it’s trying to tell people how words can effect people and all of you don’t understand what’s the series trying to do and people needs to use your brain what’s the story trying to do is to stop bullying and making hate comments
0 likesSpownward Diral
1 likeSo not only are you a Youtube sympathizer now, but you're a BehindTheMeme sympathizer? Good reason to unsubscribe.
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Why must you agree with him in order to watch his content? You can have your own opinion while listening to someone else's.
0 likesRedemption.
0 likesWhat a self-backstab to your original BTM video. At least you are willing to change.
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You mean a willingness to change ones opinions based on an evolving situation and new information?
117 likesYes.
7 likesTrust no one not even yourself
29 likescritical hit!
3 likesHe's never despised or hated behind the meme, and he likely still believes his content is mediocre. But that doesn't matter, you can dislike a person's work without hating the person, which is what he does.
24 likesyou have a minecraft profile pic. your opinion is void
3 likesself back stab? sounds like suicide
0 likesReversal!!
0 likesBTM is the jolliest nigga I've ever seen .
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Idk faking suicide and depression for manuiplating kids money for self gain isnt jolly
0 likesPooDoo DrillDick clearly you don’t know the meaning of jolly
0 likesTop 10 why you shouldn't be on youtube anyone
0 likesShut up. You just don't know what he's going through. He has experienced hate from some viewers. He just needs love and appreciation.
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Well faking his suicide aint gonna make me love him
0 likesWait I thought this was a April fools video but i guess not
0 likesNice.
0 likesBro. What is with the cadence of your voice this video. You pause after every 5 syllables.
1 likesighs
0 likes0/10 no earrape
0 likes0/10 no earrape
0 likesI wasn't sure if it was fake or not at the beginning, but the suicide was obviously fake.
0 likes❤❤❤❤❤❤
0 likesStill not as bad as killing thr crash meme
3 likeshahahahahahahaha
0 likesWait for the normies to comment garbage
0 likesBeing stupid isn't an excuse for something like this. Not even close.
1 likeAnyone remember YTP no one ok
0 likesYou know EmpLemon is in a downward spiral when he defends a N O R M I E
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😒
7 likesThis is not a thing about normies.
1 likeEmblem on is just forgiving BTM and shaving his beard of hatred with Hanlon’s Razor.
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0 likesWA
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wow.
0 likesMumkey jones watched this vid
0 likesDamn
0 likesdamn
0 likes.....well, i have some comments that need deleting...
3 likes2 years ago today.
1 likeBehind the Jew.
0 likeseven though i despised the “what happened to behind the meme” video i do agree with you. he was just a person trying to make people happy and informed but didn’t know how, and we hated him for that. im not saying i like kyle’s videos but he is human and we weren’t aware of his intentions at the time
2 likesWell, I really feel bad now. I always hated Behind The Meme, but now that I watched this video, made by someone like you, I actually understand. You did a good thing whenmaking this video. You had the power to makethe hate even worse, but did the opposite. And that really gives me faith
2 likesI still think it was kinda scummy for him to fake suicide, even with otherwise good intentions, but props for being the bigger man and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
1 likeIt's pretty weird seeing you defend Behind the Meme but I guess in a time like this it's justified.
0 likesAfter seeing your spongebob video i thought, "damn emp seems a bit more wholesome and nicer." And after watching this, i feel like that's true. Real proud of what you're doing emp
0 likesI think when we are found in a situation, we should look at all points of view in that situation before we act so that we can find the best outcome or at least a better one.
0 likesI actually never thought of it that way, but you're right, behind the meme never did the stereotypical things that youtubers who only want money did
0 likesIt's nice to see that the man behind the poops and the bitter vitriol for all of the things on this site...is an actual human who still has empathy and humanity, and holds faith in this ungodly insane human race. Props to you, bud. ♥
0 likesRight or wrong aside, this is the most empathetic and humble you've ever come off as and I'm really impressed. I'm nobody special but I just wanted to tell you, it's refreshing to get a glimpse of the person behind the mask once in a while. Thanks👍.
0 likesI've always been indifferent to btm, and the fact that he did something like that just causes me to shake my head. But unlike jake paul It seems like he might have had legitimately good intentions. But you know what they say: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm still indifferent towards him, but it's safe to assume that his reputation has been severely damaged by this, and the only cure is time.
0 likesWow. Like seriously. When I first encountered your video on BTM (and in some ways fully engage with your channel besides YTPs) it was pretty saddening to know at first that the person I like to watch is actually, to put it lightly, not very good. Like I was one of the last few who decide to stick up to BTM (crazy I know) until the Crash Bandicoot meme video was released, which somehow made me unsubscribe. Looking back, I never felt that he was pandering (although his Draw My Life vid may come up that way idk). Sure, he did the whole "like and subscribe" thing and had a formula that was too repetitive, but otherwise the worst thing that he has done is not listen or apply said criticism to his videos, which applies to many of us even (personally even I get agitated when someone does not like something). Despite unsubbing to BTM, I still felt that the hate thrown at him was absurd. Like I felt kind of bad that some dude who doesn't have much nuanced understanding for a medium (in this case memes) would get hate to the point of doxxing. I don't think George Lucas (post-prequel pre-sequel era) or even Leafy in a way had many people riled up to this extent (probably the doxxing thing made me more sympathetic). So, yeah this just felt more of a personal comment than the usual I put out on, even if it is just some YouTube channel.
1 likeAnd just to wrap things up, if memory serves me correct, I remember that his Draw My Life video or at least one of his other videos mentioning that he wanted to do other content different than the meme videos he usually makes. Maybe the recent videos were one of his plans. Personally if he had done so a little sooner, maybe he could have a fresh start in his internet career as a whole. It would be interesting to see what BTM would experiment with, but alas we may never know. Maybe he could be made fun by the commentary community like the Paul brothers or maybe he could become well respected in some other area like reviews or perhaps other forms of content. I guess he felt that doing other things would make him more of a mockery than he already was, thus his hesitation to do so until recently. At the end of the day, this is just my two cents in this whole situation regarding BTM and my personal history with the drama. Its quite long and you might even disagree with what I did in some instances, but really we all will live on with some regret, whether we notice it or not. So here's to a brighter future for all involved, I guess. This comment is probably too optimistic and pandering for this video and the channel, but yeah that's all I want to write before this gets too long.
I knew I'd regret feeling empathy for him.
0 likesEmplemon being a somewhat kind person? I love this
0 likesThis video allowed me to sleep In peace, God bless you man, I'm being genuine
0 likesWell said Emperor Lemon.
0 likesYou’re as kind as you are wise.
Part of me says that you're only saying this NOW, after getting the satisfaction of obliterating him, you feel bad. However on the other side I do understand what you mean, but the problem is that he never took constructive criticism and tried to improve his channel. I don't know..... to be honest I don't know. He's history if you ask me.
1 likeHis videos were bad, there was a lot of room to improve, and his content sometimes had a bizarre aura of disingenouity, but he never striked me as a bad person. I always felt like he was getting to much shit for just being a normie. (I still hate that awful video TripleQ made mocking him) But alas, he metaphorically killed himself, so now it is time to apologize, just like when someone literally dies.
1 likeWell, at least you have the guts to apologize for the things that you did and consider as wrong.
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence
0 likesToo long, didn't watch.
0 likesBut seriously, good for you Emps, empathy is something sorely needed in modernity.
Funny how wholesome this channel has been lately
0 likes"Friendship ended with INTERNET HISTORIAN
1 likeBEHIND THE MEME is now my best friend"
-Lemony Boi 2k18
I'm not gonna go shit on this guy's channel; I still think what he did was in an utmost disregard for the respect of others, and, need I say, an utmost disregard for his own credibility. I simply have difficulty sympathizing with this man at this point, even if his intentions weren't in a place of immorality.
0 likesNot shure if it is mob mentality or I just end up agreeing with everything you say
0 likesWe should help the guy out. He only normified others because he didn't know any other way. Let's teach him how to meme properly. Maybe then, an age of outsiders can return.
1 likei wasn't even aware af this , but honestly i think he just genuinely didn't know how to do this, and this is the result
0 likesI can't decide if BTM's "PC Edit" makes me agree or disagree with Emp. It's such a trite thing to cry political correctness when people are actually pissed at something.
0 likesAlpharad is a guy who acts overly disengenuous to make you know that he is and will tell you that he is being so
0 likesI like you Emp, youre a pretty cool guy
0 likesI don't get why people have to do cryptic videos that are "about" suicide awareness where they do things that are misinterpreted very easily. How hard is it to sit down, set up a camera and just talk about it.
0 likesYou've gone soft on us, Emp. lol
2 likesBut no really, I wasn't even on the hate BehindTheMeme bandwagon (nor did I like him) but even if BTM is a clueless dope with a good heart, I'm not happy with what he did.
He's an adult, he should know better than to do this. The only thing this is gonna bring awareness to, is him and he knew that, clueless or not, he knew in the back of his mind.
He had a lot of people worried about his well being just for some regurgitated PSA bullshit on what people say on the internet can effect others and about changing his channel and what he does on it. I feel as though the SuICidE aWaREneSs was just tacked on at the end, because of the subject matter, whether that's the case or not, will not change my mind. If you want to talk about suicide, TALK ABOUT IT; you don't need to manipulate people to draw attention to such a serious subject, especially now that everyone and grandmothers pet cat is such an "expert" on mental illness. We don't need to hate on him but, let him know, this is not ok.
Do I think he meant to be scummy like this? Should he get a free pass cause of that?
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No.
i dont really sympathise with him even after watching him to be honest. like what still puts me off is the way he took criticism, calling everyone haters, the video on anthony fantano etc. it seems to me more that he did make videos for people to enjoy, but if they didn't instead of him trying to get better he just defined it all as hate towards poor him
0 likes5:18 Who can blame you for feeling that way, we've all seen it before, there are scummy youtubers out there. Content Cop helped us to see that. Are all youtubers like that? All I can say is I'm not sure.
0 likesLike do people not even look up his history on the internet and get enough information to know that this is how behind the meme works? Well whatever the internet for the most part just don't seem to think ahead.
0 likes3 words.
1 likeForgive
And
Forget
❤️
What have we done? For this situation, I have realized that this is no wrong to be normie.
0 likesLol, the tables have turned. In a way, EmpLemon took advantage of BehindTheMeme and inadvertently caused him to suffer a downward spiral.
0 likesAssume incompetance before malevolence its a good rule to follow
0 likesHe had a continuous lapse in his judgement, and he's sorry.
0 likesNo forgiveness for a man who misses with another man's memes
0 likesI would so far agree with you, BTM definitely did fuck up his attempt to "raise awareness". Hind site is 20/20, and we can all look at the BTM videos were fake now. I had always somewhat defended BTM, even as his part 5 was uploaded. I just considered him to be extremely misguided, and not very bright. I thought that his content, while not very good, was technically harmless.
1 likeBehind the Meme, while making bad content, made "genuine" content. He seems like he has potential in acting, so I hope that Kyle sheds his BTM shell and becomes successful doing something else. Something that helps the guy grow his talents, and something that won't piss of the maymay community.
I just say one thing that I don't "think" you covered (keeping in mind that I am quite clueless and miss shit easily), and that's his final video. His final video, that I think does a better job raising awareness than the 1-5 series. Maybe you'd already made this by the time it came out. But yeah, in it he does apologise for making people worried, explains that it was intended to raise awareness and not gain sympathy points. I would also say that it's irrelevant to your point that the guy just isn't very bright.
Godspeed you magnificent bastard, Kyle. And Godspeed Behind the Meme, you were always behind on the memes.
As misguided as this guy might have been I don't think that he deserves the shit that he got and is getting. As he said we're all people, and no one deserves this over fucking memes of all things.
0 likesyour always gonna be a youtuber i look up to.
0 likesGood for you man.
0 likesGuess all of the hate we had for him is now 100 percent justified.
0 likesMaybe I'm foolish
0 likesMaybe I'm blind
Thinking I can see through this
And see what's behind
Got no way to prove it
So maybe I'm blind
But I'm only human after all
I'm only human after all
Don't put your blame on me
Don't put your blame on me
Over 5,000 likes and only 76 dislikes......
0 likesI think you’re getting your point across Emp, good job!
I always felt somewhat bad for him cause he was just doing his thing. He got way too over his head. He made enemies with many people. Only to not know how to handle it and fight it other than learning from it. Now this stuff. I would just think he wants to reach his former glory and legit feels very bad about the past (which is rare). So he wants to go to alternatives to appeal to people. So i dunno. I just stopped watching his stuff a year or 2 back. Only time will tell what he do now.
0 likestbh I was just glad that he was ok
0 likesI didnt realised that you were so cynical mostly because you thought that he was being disingenuous from the beginning(besides of the poor quality of his content).
0 likesFrom the way that he behaved nothing ever made me think that he was being a manipulator,he is just a genuine guy.
Its cool that you are doing this,specially having this much influence over “his haters”(at least I didn’t see many comments disagreeing with you).
Well done
"And lo, such was the God King's might, such was his just heart, that in the ultimate moment of victory over his most hated enemy, formed exactly as he saw fit, he withheld his blade and offered instead a hand of mercy."
0 likesShitfuckers 19:90
Speaking of depression.... What's with all of these big name youtubers making videos about them being depressed whilst shilling out a bogus depression treatment service?
0 likesWhat if Behind the Meme makes a video saying "I knew EmpLemon would feel sympathetic."?
0 likesemp, it would be cool if you did a series called "Emplemon: Youtuber Philanthropist", where you would interview and give advice to YouTubers that are struggling to get them and their channel back on their feet, like a reverse content cop.
0 likesWho knows? Maybe you could have Leafy himself on the show.
Emp. I love ya, but...This ain't it, chief.
0 likesI just can't bring myself to believe that he had no idea whatsoever that he'd make people angry with this completely tactless stunt. I honestly think he wanted to stir the shit. No such thing as bad publicity, after all. Same shit scumbags like Onision and Logan Paul do all the time. As someone who's not only been suicidal, but has had people pretend to be suicidal to me for the sake of "JUST A PRANK BRO," I can't let his shit slide. He made his bed.
I think he started the sad vids seriously. then once he got support, he wanted a way to go back to normal meme vids
0 likesHe monetised the video tho. His objective wasn't just raising awareness
0 likesThis decade is a continuous downward spiral. Literally.
0 likesDamn. Raising awareness for suicide awareness is . DEEP. HAters gonna hate 🤣🔫
0 likesthe videos were a show of how he feel when we was on youtube, if he has felt that way, then its not fake
0 likesYou're a good person
0 likesDude really shot himself
0 likesin the foot with this one
Whether how he got into the influencial position, his content's still a total horseshit. He desereve no respect or sympathy whatsoever.
0 likesGreat video dude. Just subscribed to BehindTheMeme 😊😊
1 likeThe suicide video really was poorly excecuted
2 likesEmperor Lemon has a heart? Looks like his life has taken an upward spiral.
0 likesThat downward spiral in the background causes my eyes to bleed.
1 likeI think we should get BTM a second chance.
0 likesAlso I think it would benefit us all if we lend him a hand instead of attacking him.
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A second chance? Nah, he blew it!
0 likesYou are right. I never thought of it like that!
0 likesI never really hated BTM. Sure, I hated his content and what he was doing, but I never hated him as a person.
0 likesHonestly I don't why someone would make multiple cryptic videos and end those videos off with a youtuber faking themselves dying. Of course they're gonna make their fans extremely worried and end up with major backlash from people. Even if they did it to try and send a message there are many other options for a topic like suicide awareness.
0 likesLmao, "Don't attribute to malice what you can explain with stupidity."
0 likesBehind The Meme May have a good heart, but he is very naive and lazy
0 likesBehind the meme was claimed by the final boss of youtube, The downward spiral.
0 likesShowing that having depression gets you attention like this is harming to people like me. My Depression is the least of my problems. He sounds like an immature person. Hope he doesn't get too much shit.
0 likesI’m just kinda confused by this whole situation and I don’t understand how it got to this point. Like his fans are defending him to some crazy degree where I saw someone in his comments claim people were criticizing him because they were ‘reflecting themselves’ and made the dumb ‘they’re just jealous and insecure’ excuse. They think he’s helping people somehow and it’s just odd to me. Btm doesn’t help people, he just made awful videos and never improved his editing style. How did this person get such defensive fans or is he deleting comments again?? I really don’t understand this
0 likesDon't call it a grave, it's the future he chose.
0 likesI think your right honestly he does seem different
0 likesIdk, I can feel bad for the guy and what he went through, but a lot of the stuff he said was just kinda dumb. Most people that shit over him didn’t want him to kill himself, they wanted him to stop ripping out videos from KnowYourMeme and make better content.
0 likesYou are the man emp lemon
0 likesIf you want to spread suicide awareness, talk about your experiences or have other talk on their experiences and offer ways of help or coping mechanisms. Not this attention grabbing bs, it's horribly disingenuous
0 likesDon't attribute to malice what can be better attributed to incompetence.
0 likesIn a nutshell: BTM is so dumb emplemon feels bad for him
1 likeFirst off I feel like you were paid to say all of this because honestly seems kind of odd how you say nobody helped him and the fact he was in contact with members of the meme community because if you put logical events in order he was killing memes and he did it just to prove that he can and that he should ruin the fun of the internet. Thing is he is doing fine off his second account, Daily dose of Internet. He is making bank I knew he would fake the suicide for views that was his middle finger to his own fanbase. the fact you defend him even when he has a Jake Paul format of fucked up videos seems like you had to have been paid. And I know damn well you aren't one to talk of being humane enough to see his side of things because as far as I can see he is doing just dandy with the income he gets off his second account. Anyone that kills fun intentionally will eventually get stopped. End of story unless you are getting paid large amounts of money then keep it alive.
0 likesCalling it now it was a meme the whole time
0 likesI think there should be an epilepsy warning. This video tackles a very serious issue, and with a serious tone. Something I don’t get is how you can make a serious video on spongebob.
0 likesfucking agreed, im so glad you stopped attacking him
0 likesmad respect
0 likesThe most human among us is a human shitpost. Let that sink in.
1 likeEmp getting sympathy?....UPWARD SPIRAL?!
0 likesi dont think its right of you to talk EmpLemon, afterall, you yourself have been in a downward spiral mentally for years
0 likesDepression ain’t a joke man, it’s a life eating disease.
0 likesEmpLemon the kinda guy to shoot a robber and then call him an ambulance
0 likesIts nice your trying to help him, but i fear it wont work since no one likes positive. Though id like to be proven wrong, reply (if you even remember ) that this got more views then your rant vid, or dont
0 likesI respect this. Therefore, I won't try to bad touch you.
0 likesI’m gonna look at these videos before I come to any conclusion
0 likesNow I'm just waiting for the "Jimmy Kimmel isn't bad" video
0 likesthis is the first I've heard of this drama, i wonder if those videos are still up 👀👀👀
0 likesIt feels like he was not trying to let on he was really depress but the btm hate train wanted one last go around the track.
0 likesThis is wrong, your video is suppose to be 20-100 mins long while other people complain about it.
0 likesSHAKIGN AND CRYING EMPLEMON WOULD NEVER DEFEND BTM PLEASE TELL ME THIS ISNT REAL PLEA
0 likesohhhhhhhh....... he's disabled. that makes sense
2 likesDude cryed wolf and did more harm than good.
0 likesGood choice as always
0 likesBehind The Meme is like a clown that tries his best to make people laugh, but ends up being annoying and unfunny, then proceeds to fuck everything up.
0 likesAt least he didn't try using a real scuicide victims corpses... And joke about it
1 likeEven if he did have good intentions, but he should have thought about how people would have reacted to the videos in the end. You don't fuck around with suicide like that. You don't fuck around with shootings like that. A joke here or there is fine, but a full on series that actually made people think he was going off the rails is not okay. Ruining meme culture is one thing, but this is a whole other level. I don't hate him with a seething rage, but I completely understand why others do.
0 likesNice one. Insulting him but saying not to hate him at the end of the video. Yeah I’m not buying it.
0 likesExpect your sub count to be halved soon.
0 likesI'll still be part of that sub count tho
Makes a lot of sense actually
0 likesHow is his audience mostly young children?
0 likesBehindTheMeme; you're alright
0 likesThis really the Berestain dimension after all
0 likesShowing a depressed person killing himself (without telling is a fake persona first) isn't a commentary on suicide awareness...
0 likesIt's like showing a fat person and saying it's a commentary on eating healthy and the state of our human condition
Its cool you defend him. But there is no reason to defend behind the meme
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greenXeagle there is a reason to hold back the hatred. The level of hate this guy is getting makes you think he committed murder or something. Its completely uncalled for. He deserves hate, but not on such a level that we see.
19 likesThere's not much of a reason for BTM anymore... Memes are less niche than ever
3 likesI personally don't enjoy his channel, but Jesus, people.. Call off your nukes already.
7 likesI agree.
0 likesemplemon and Behindthememe would be cute gay couple you are perfect for echother
0 likesBut EmpLemon, april 1st is 6 months from now.
0 likesWell said
0 likesnever thought of it that way
0 likesThe tragedy of the NPC
0 likesIs this the deepest site of the Downward Spiral? 🌀
0 likesMan this is heavy.
0 likesLooks like he became a Squidward
0 likesthis is just like my japanese animes
0 likesEh my friends fake suicide all the time, except when they dont and i forgot who they are because they change their username to a bunch of random characters and make their pfp black
0 likesI still blame emp for killing the channel by getting triggered that he got youtube poops wrong.
0 likesBoy if behind the meme nowmakes dumb respons to emps. video i legit god damn it emp... you are the best
0 likesI didn't even know he still uploaded
0 likesI believed he was depressed, but I knew he wasn't gonna kill himself. How would he even upload it? He would have to livestream it or something.
0 likesThis is it chief
1 likeYou gotta calm down with that swirly background bud
2 likesChris Chan 2: Electric Boogaloo
0 likesBehind the meme: I killed myself bang
0 likesLogan Paul want to know your location
This is so sad can we kill behind the meme
0 likesIDK, ripping off suicide is not how you raise awarenes if you ask me.
0 likesjesus christ how is this still relevant
0 likesAnyone else getting epilepsy?
1 likeBehind the Normieme
3 likesWack. He gets no sympathy from me.
1 likeAt least he didn't try using a real scuicide victims corpses... And joke about it
0 likesTop 10 pranks that went went wrong.
0 likesTOP 10 ANIME BETRAYALS
0 likesCharacter development
0 likesAgreed.
0 likesBehind The Meme commits deathpacito
0 likes7:13 Just like Fox Goodman?
0 likesQuality content
5 likesUplifting Spiral
0 likesDOWNWARD SPRITE
0 likesI have no feeling one way or the other
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n u t r e a l r e s p o n s e
0 likesExecute contrairian.ExE
0 likesIts funny how the only guy on Youtube who only had good intentions, who didnt make videos for attention and money, and had a genuine innocent and kind hearted soul is the most hated and malined person on the internet. My god...
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Choo ohhh there are some pretty hated people on the internet, Behind the Meme gets more hate then he deserves, sure, but have you heard of the Paul brothers?
4 likesahem
2 likesPeter Scully.
He is still a fool for not following criticism on how to improve his content.
6 likes@PipeGuy64Bit Please, almost nobody does that on Youtube.
5 likes@ivanmegafanboy Yeah, I was thinking the same every time someone mentioned that. At least BTM didn't start screeching about how "haters" are coming after him.
4 likes@Lisa M Yes, if you don't want to obligue to every piece of critiscism you get, construcive or destructive, that is not inherently bad, and bringing that as a flaw can feel very tacky.
1 like@ivanmegafanboy The more I think about it, the more I think that he may have started these videos as a way to try and understand internet culture. He sees a popular meme on 4chan, and in an attempt to understand it, he does research on it, then makes the video in an attempt to help others get it as well, let them "be in on the joke". Everyone learns things in a different way, maybe this was his. Maybe he did try the suggestions he got and found that it didn't work for him as well as his way did. This is all speculation of course, but it's something to consider, at least.
3 likesWhile I agree that his suicide video was in poor taste, he wasn't trying to push merch and views like a certain idiot that many more have mentioned already. Coming from someone that has attempted suicide in the past, I still didn't see this as a reason to hate on the guy. As horrible as it was, I didn't get the impression that it was done with malice. To be fair, he's FAR from the first person to do this. There are countless shorts that do almost the exact same thing. The difference is that BTM failed to mention that this was all fictional.
@Lisa M At the end, poor fellow. The world just didn't accept him as part of the Internet ecosystem.
0 likesWell fair enough but he did make it out as Emplemon endorsed him being doxxed. I still dislike him but I'll choose to simply distance myself from his channel.
0 likesNah, he totally did it for attention.
0 likesSWITCH SIDE
2 likesupward spairel <33
0 likesIs that a
0 likesDownwardspiraldownwardspiraldownwardspiral
explain the poorly made anthony fantano response video
0 likesIt's the new loss.jpg
0 likeslosstube.mp4
...Upward Spiral?
0 likesY O U W H A T ?
0 likesWhen did youtube stop being youtube, for example youtube gaming, youtube kids, youtube whatever I mean what's wrong with normal youtube. Another one I could think of is the new premium subscription feature aka the "join" button again what's wrong with the normal subscriptions, the live streaming is another one I could think of, it's not twitch but sure is trying to be twitch and the emotes that comes with it. I guess I could chalked it up as business is money and money is business. Youtube is trying to become something else like many software applications I know.
0 likesNow behind the memes will hit 10mil subs on his channel tomorrow
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Angry Chicken Angry Nerd Voice you’re not even in the current meta skrub
1 likePhantom of the trumpera excuse me you wanna talk to my boy deathstalker rexxar?
1 likeNope.
0 likesI don't think it will.
Behind The Meme is run by Logan Paul
0 likesUpward spiral?
0 likesWhy do you even watch him?
0 likesHe copied everything off if know your meme
0 likesHe made a fake suicide video for attention, who the hell cares? He's literally about to cry because of a bunch of kids who call him stupid
0 likesEmpathyLemon
0 likesWhen are you gonna be making YouTube poop videos again?
0 likesbehind the meme arg
5 likesIS THIS A REPOST
0 likesTbh he is not getting that much hate mate.
0 likesI don't think you should say thing's like that you have been making memes for year's and behind the meme can't just pop up make these really below average videos and get 798k subs with no consequences that's not fair his channel needs to die
0 likestrololololololo epic
3 likesMama Meme.
1 likeoh nooooo, he diiiiid a thiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
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Yes. He jizzed and ended up hitting his face instead. whoops.
1 likeWhat's a me me?
4 likesOh no.
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Bruh I said it first why you got 9 likes
5 likesIdk
7 likesNamiix _13 you're not "da timbs"
0 likesWaiting for you to say sike
14 likesI thought that channel died along with the knuckles thing what in the fuck
0 likesIt's not even funny anymore. This is just sad.
10 likesActually I did a bombing campaign against him and now that u said about him I feel a little bit sad for him and I am not saying that for attention I just Honestly think that those vids are insulting to people who are actually suffering well now I guess he is just naive person and now I feel sad
3 likesHey so um
36 likesWhat?
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I'm mumkey
0 likesHow?
0 likesWow
4 likesMy God emplemon
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Behind the meme is dead
0 likesdamn.
0 likesDo not support Behind The Meme. Continue to take him down so this doesnt happen again
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Aw cmon lads now is this necessary?
0 likesZeeTheHellion absolutely
0 likes@The Very Edgy Yoshi OwO got room for one more?
0 likes@Cultist_NPC O w O
0 likes@The Very Edgy Yoshi
0 likesU ￦ UTHE GREATEST HIGH
0 likesNo just no stop. Leave the guy alone
Behind The Normie
0 likesBehind the memes worst choice was making the behind the meme utube channel
3 likesThis video is fake, i'm calling it now...
0 likes100 recovery
0 likesJust because you inspire people to do things, you are not responsible for their actions.
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So Hitler's not responsible for neo nazis
1 like@Under Story Main channel false analogy
1 like@Under Story Main channel if you were to give a speech about how bad this YouTuber was. After that speech I murder him, then claimed I did it because of your speech. That does not make you responsible for his death.
0 likes@Rancid your analogy is much worse
2 likes@Under Story Main channel the difference from my analogy and real life is I replaced (doxxing and threats) with murder. I also replaced the people in the story with us.
0 likes@Rancid and it's still a horrible analogy since we'll just look at cancel culture. One guys says (insert person here) is bad so everyone just goes with him and harrased that guy even if he may not be bad.
2 likesSecondly hitler inspired the nazis to commit the holocaust and made people become nazis. He was very responsible for their change. He however didn't make their decision,they did. But it's still Hitler's fault for causing that change in them
@Under Story Main channel no Hitler directly told his followers to raid Jewish business (just one example). And no main stream person told there viewers to harass BTM.
1 like@Under Story Main channel he didn’t send hate tho. that was their own accord.
0 likeswhat in the name of the actual fuck.
0 likesO no
35 likesIntent doesn't mean shit.
0 likesIf you fake your own suicide you're a shitty person.
In the back of his mind he had to have thought that this would get him positive feedback and subscribers.
Even if it wasn't the main motivation, at least part of the reason he pretend killed himself was for attention.
lmao
0 likesYou should do a video on Wolfychu, because it would be funny to see the same thing that happened to Behind The Meme happen to WolfyChu as well.
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Why exactly?
0 likesI guess thats what happens when u get so much hate to the fact that ur having to fake suicide. Its the community's fault for hating him on memes. You guys doxxed him. How do u think he feels. You guys seriously fucked him up. Yeah u DID LITERALLY RUIN BTM. WTH IS WRONG WITH UR TITLE. IS DEFENSE HUH? I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS
3 likesEdit : just thought of the things he could've done instead of fake suicide. I don't think he deserved all the hate. His vids were kinda bland and his voice was unreasonably optimistic sure, but I don't think he really deserved to be doxxed because of memes. But the hate after his fake suicide was kinda deserved. Soo now Im kinda happy of this vid.
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I'll admit the hate was too far, but there were so much better routes he could've taken than to fake his suicide 😐
1 like@PrKo that's true. He could've just ignored the hate and continued to make normies happy
1 likeIs this a leafy/youtube drama parody? You sound like the kid you made a fifty one minute video about.
0 likesHis videos suck but he's not hurting anyone
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True. He's only hurting himself.
0 likeswow bro
0 likesLet’s hope this video gets more likes than dislikes
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And so it did.
0 likesThis definitely does put out a different perspective on the entire controversy surrounding BTM, and it's probably true that BTM's true intentions aren't as scummy as some people seem to think they are. I think the best approach is to give a decent amount of thoughts to both ends of this spectrum. Yes, his content is bad, and even spreads misinformation at times, but behind every internet persona is a real person. Just because they put out a bad image doesn't mean they ever had the intention doing any harm, that's just not how the majority of people are. And I don't think enough people take that into consideration. The same can be applied to many people with large hate following, honestly. Thank you for putting out this video. I hope it can get the message through to people with a mindset only set on vilifying people they dislike.
2 likesDespite his bad content, if he is really having these feelings I hope he gets the help he needs.
1 likeIt’s very noble of you to stand up for him even after all that you two went through, my absolute respect for you lemon.
0 likesNot only he did that to spread a suicide message but also he did that to tell us that Behind The Meme is "dead," but Kyle Bryce (Who is behind that channel) isn't dead.
2 likesThere’s a point where you have to question reality and it is now when Emp defends BTM, even after all of the shit BTM has done. Kind of awe inspiring.
0 likesEmplemon: throws Behind the Meme under the bus and makes a meme review series just to spite them
1 likeEmplemon: Wait no
For a while I wasn't sure what kind of person you were, Emp, but after hearing the way you handled this incident, I genuinely believe you're a good person and you've won my respect
0 likesUh, I mean, D O W N W A R D S P I R A L
I always try to remove the crime from the intent. He made some incredibly incompetent meta videos. He blurred the line between his fictional storyline of a suicidal btm, and what his audience perceives as reality. That’s the crime. I don’t hate him for it, but this is on no one’s shoulders other than his own. He dug his own grave.
0 likesGood on ya Emp for making this video when you by all means didn't have to. It shows that you really are a critical guy, to others and yourself. You always see apology videos when someone is caught out doing something wrong but this kind of discussion video about the possibility of being wrong is in my opinion the real deal. Having that discussion about the different factors at play and acknowledging how things may in fact be different/wrong takes some serious balls, so kudos to you.
0 likesI've been getting sick of all these commentary youtubers just blindly hating everything so it's good to see one who doesn't think everyone is evil incarnate.
0 likesI can't hear EmpLemon seriously say "enough is enough" without grinning at the thought of Samuel Fucking Jackson yelling the phrase. Thanks a lot, LemonBoi!
0 likesWow, you really owned up to some bitterness and you defended a really hated channel.
0 likesMad kudos to you, EmpLemon. This is many reasons as to why you are indeed the YouTuber we need but don't desevre
Let's all talk about the fact that emplemons and behind the memes voices sound way too similar
1 likeI remember something about the series of videos that BTM was releasing individually that made me somewhat ashamed of myself for carrying such hatred towards him. As I watched his 2nd video, I noticed the wall of people he really was into at the time and noticed people like Mick Jagger, Paul Rubens (Peewee Herman) and John Mayer and it was that moment when I realized that BTM sounded like a cool guy to hang around and then a wave of shame and anger towards myself for hating him for a whole year.
0 likesPersonally I feel sorry for BTM and he has earned my subscription.
Thank you Emp
At the end of the day, we're all human, no matter what we do.
2 likesApart from only a few YouTubers (you can most likely make a few) everyone on this site is human, and makes mistakes, and makes bad decisions. Sure, what he did is wrong, but hey, he can always improve. And just a reminder, don't hate the YouTuber, just dislike the content that they make.
0 likesI feel like ignorance shouldn't be an excuse for someone to get away with something.
0 likesIt’s weird seeing you standing up for BTM, nice video nonetheless.
0 likesJust for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong
1 likeI'd have to agree with you, honestly, I'm surprised you made a video about him again, considering you did state you didn't want to talk about it anymore.
0 likesIt is interesting you pointed out that he never shilled like other youtubers. Never really thought about that, sure, his content is mediocre, but it is an honest mediocrity.
Saying "i told you so." it's a hollow satisfaction at best, bittersweet really.
0 likesWait, someone being sympathetic to Behind The Meme? EmpLemon being sympathetic to Behind The Meme? That is a once in a lifetime experience!
0 likesEmplemon probably feels horibble, I know I would. I'm glad emplemon is mature enough to admit that he could have done something wrong, instead of lying to himself that he is the superior man, but I dont know if any of the damage to behind the meme can be reversed
0 likesWhat an amazing plot twist for this anime finale
1 likeHuh.
0 likesWell said. This was quite possibly the most neutral response anyone could ever have, but you make a good point. Again, well said.
behind the meme reminds me a lot of all those click baiting channels I honestly don't think any of them know what they are doing is wrong or scummy and honestly think they are trying to help people
0 likesI don't know whether BTM is seeking attention or one of the best trolls ever concieved. He made an entire channel off of explaining shitty memes with shitty gifs. He pissed off 4chan and pissed off his entire audience and some other people. I honestly don't know.
0 likesThat was all very well said.
1 likeBehind the meme had good intentions? Yes.
0 likesBut don't mistake good intentions for good acts, what he did was still very stupid, and tasteless.
this feels like the biggest anime plot twist, it's like zuko switching sides to help anng, just woah!!?!!? like you had the chance to shit on him even harder but you chose mercy instead of kill
0 likesA cup of good intentions....
0 likesa tablespoon of one big mess....
a dose of overreaction.....
I assume you know the rest......
This was a good video with a good message. But have you considered the possibility that Behind the Meme might actually be a disingenuous scumbag and ended up fooling you after all? I’m not condoning any hate against him nor am I denying that you are most likely correct; just proposing the possibility that you may be wrong about him.
0 likesYou are basically explaining my views on Sargon. Always thought the guy was a good intention ed idiot. Now people are catching on and I actually find myself defending him. yes... He is an idiot.. be hes not out for money. He is just a loud mouth with no sense of humor and a golden heart. Also... easily offended like most people. But its not intentional!
0 likesI agree. I mean, he may have done a bad thing, but I think that in real life, he’s just a guy who doesn’t have the best grip on real life issues
0 likesso we have to leave behind behind the meme, sorry
0 likesbut in all seriousness this was genuinely heartwarming to see, the idea behind the meme might just be a fool making content because of he genuinely enjoys it was always something in my mind,after all theres 7 billion people on earth,
I think Hanlon's Razor applies a whole fucking lot here:
0 likes"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
You, either really have to have no idea of what your actions will do to the people surrounding you, or be genuinely malicious to do them in the first place.
It's a matter of which you'd put BTM under...
How could you guys think this is fake he may have faked the suicide but these are obviously a memoir to his life he went on a hiatus for a month comes back and does this shit he obviously started out as a cry to help and expected more hate he came to find out they people actually tried to help him and that was new to him so he got what he needed and ended it with a fake message so instead of hating the guy we should genuinely show or support or he will just continue on a dark slimy path that may lead to suicide
2 likesHe could've made it a lot more meaningful in the end. The fact he fakes the suicide is obviously bad, but he could've handled it in a way that didn't seem so mocking. Literally, imagine how people who have dealt with suicide attempts or thoughts must feel. Hell, we don't need to imagine, they've already spoke their mind about it.
0 likesI appreciate that he put those hotlines at the end of the video, and I doubt he truly intended to make these feel so insulting, but he should've put more thought into it.
In Honesty BTM is just a guy who found a hobby and he eventually became popular and he just tried to go through with it, overall he's just a guy doing what he enjoys. Although he may have done some dumb things, but we never know the true intention of why he did it
0 likesJust for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong.
0 likesWell, this was unexpectedly wholesome
0 likesI'm not gonna lie, Behind the Meme clearly didn't put enough effort into the memes. He was dollar general level of effort. I feel though that this was a little too far. I only hate him because of his shitty meme analysis, not because of this. This is something else, but it may have just been a mistake
0 likesMan, this is why I never truly hate anyone. Everyone at their core is really just a person and everything is more nuanced than people present. So many things aim to dehumanize people so that you can hate them, but who does it help?
0 likesI actually lost someone close to suicide and BTM doing this for attention or sympathy is pretty nasty tbh :/
0 likes"Well, That's the problem with life, right? Either you know what you want, and then you don't get what you want. Or you get what you want, and don't know what you want."
0 likesHe was such an hero
0 likesEveryone’s stroking Lemon off, but I feel like this was just an opportunity to call him stupid and act like the good guy. I love your videos, and I dislike behind the meme’s, and I sort of agree with you, I suppose. I feel like he’s more the kind of person who has no media literacy and catches trends too late, I don’t think he’s stupid, he probably just got exposed to too many of one thing without understanding why it existed, so it was using a money-grubbing format minus the money-grubbing. I’m tired, but I feel like this video could have been far better executed, or even in more of a discussionary format in community or something. That’s just my opinion, though.
1 likeWhen the moth saw the sun he flew towards but just like the human with the wax wings he melted and fell
0 likesEvery time a pretty big YouTuber makes a rant/commentary video on someone and that video gets viral then that YouTuber does weird videos.
0 likes>when you're on so many layers of irony you end up mistaking a genuine Youtuber as a normie poser who's innit for money
0 likes[picardía]
I am sorry, Emp, but I can't agree with this. Behind The Meme had the videos monetized, he knew he was making money off the videos. He was well aware of what his intentions were.
0 likesEmpLemon: I don't feel.. any gratification..
0 likesMe: Well shit.. I kinda enjoyed his fake shit ruining his reputation...
We fabaceous lemon worshipers definitely sensed that something snapped in BehindTheMeme, so much that we knew thar his DOWNWRD SPIRAL was enevitable all along.
0 likesJust for the record I thought about how similar you and leafy are but you just seem like a better person than him, You're a guy who's willing to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong.
1 likeSure, this situation sucks for him but when you have such a following, you can’t defend this. I don’t hate him but this wasn’t the right move.
0 likesI could listen to you talk about almost anything.
0 likesI'm glad you addressed this
0 likesIm not even a young child but I fucking jumped when he uploaded the fake suicide and felt scared, I never liked him but when he started making these, I felt genuine concern. I really want him to have a new start
0 likesSo basically, BehindTheMeme isn't malicious, just dangerously incompetent about everything?
0 likesThe simulation is slowly breaking at the seams.
0 likesI don’t know why but everytime I hear the word “cryptic” I think Death Grips automatically
0 likesI actually used to be an Ex-fan of BTM. I just got bored of his format and realized it wasn't too funny or that interesting. I just left because his vid on the day 4/20 kinda sucked to me. Myself seeing that video suck made me realize his channel had nothing really interesting so I unsubbed from him not because he did anything wrong more because I "grew out" of it.
0 likesHearing about him do such a thing to raise suicide awareness is dumb, but I get what he was going for. I actually think now he was trying to spread a positive message with poor execution because of this video. At first I thought he was just manipulating people for attention, but you might have a point. He never really seemed to be a bad YouTuber personality just an average one. Just one normal guy who tried to make people laugh with his vids. I will say his hate was unwarranted back then. Now the hate is warranted, but what's the point? He is just some dude who messed up. Logan Paul and his team thought it was appropriate to film a body with ads. BTM made a poorly executed skit using his unique position on how he gets hate to raise awareness for suicide for others who might be in a similar position. Before that he was just some mofo reviewing memes.
I thought it was real too. But I wasn't going to attack you because it was just your take on behind the meme.
0 likesThe road to hell is paved with good intentions
0 likesthis is some good, steamy tea. good work!
0 likesHonest here
0 likesi dont mind him
I didnt even disliked him a bit before
Because i was as naive as him before
Except the suicide part
To be honest his channel and the depression series kind of reminded me of a horror creepypasta. I mean think of it YouTuber that makes meme videos downward spirals in till he commits suicide. I mean looking at it now as a complete series it almost reminded me of local 58.
0 likesThat's it, Emp's a fraud.
0 likesTo be honest nobody should be making fun of a person who makes mediocre content. I mean he never manipulated the system like other channels.
0 likesBut let's be honest he would have never had to made that video if many people including you Didn't bash on him in the first place.
Yeah that fake video was distasteful but the masses led him to it. I'm not supporting nor defending but here's the point.
You both are wrong. Nobody should be making fun of someone's work nor should you fake a death.
This is good trolling. Your reverse psychology is astoundingly intricate.
0 likesI remember when the Behind The Meme video was uploaded.
0 likesWe’ve come full circle.
I now this guy thats called JayRob on deviant art and he always makes splatoon/undertale fan fictions. He would always make posts about how sad and depressed he is because of all the hate he is getting for stuff he created. He's done about 3 "attempts" of suicide and the first one kind of really made me scared but as soon as i saw a couple of other posts about jayrob posting that he is hanging himself before the first attempt happened i knew immediately it was fake. He's does these so he can get attention all to him while at the same time making his situation even worse. On top of that he will always try to tell people that he has had the worst life known to man because a car blew up his entire family and he had somehow survived. And Honestly if you take a look at his profile and see what he has posted all of it is pretty weird and almost all of it is perverted.
0 likesHis first account (the one that first encountered) has been long sense deleted. But i do know a guy on discord that follows jay and all of his antics.
the abrupt ending kinda scared me a bit
0 likesPerhaps this is the beginning of Emp's U P W A R D sPiRaL?
0 likes>sees mysterious mr enter suffering
0 likes"I was pretty mean to behindthememe"
>apologizes
>doesn't remove old video. k
Remember all this started over Internet memes. Let that sink in
0 likesHonestly, behind the meme made original content. It may be cringy, but it was original nonetheless
0 likesThis is it, gents. We’re officially in the Twilight Zone.
0 likesSpread this as far as you can guys.
0 likesHe should've actually done it smh
0 likesSooooooooo... I short, BTM is a guy who do everything on his own way and give his contributions to the comunnity... But man, unfortunally this was done NOT on the good manner (including his recent videos) and also trust me Emp, I doubt it was you who started all the hate.
0 likesI mean, look at this: nowadays is very common to see this kind of channels here on YT (like Bright Side, etc...) so was unfortunally inevitable for all the people here on YT (including you) to though his channel is one of thoose "kind of" channels.
So, conclusion: don't hate BTM, simply just learn about all of this: if you (whoever who gonna see this comment) want to launch a YT channel or give your contributions to the comunnity, MAKE SURE you research how the content of the comnunnity is AT THE MOMENT, for not being mislead as thoose "kind of" channels in the future.
sneak and crawl behind the scenes,
1 liketo make and bake and spread the memes.
the boredom of a ginger at 12:30 AM
not even sure how I got here.
Suicide and depression jokes are only funny when Mumkey Jones does it.
1 likeat 0:28 i thought he was about to say he was falling into a downward spiral
0 likesemplemon actually uploaded a video?
0 likeswhat kind of dark magic is this?
And the saga continues...........
2 likesMost suicidal persons don't show any clear signs of wanting to commit suicide, though the ones that explicitly act suicidal usually just want attention -not just in a selfish manner, but for help.
0 likesI stopped watching him after the 2016 election as he seemed to be using more Social Justice rhetoric in his vids, but I still would wish him no ill will, but to reflect on what he is doing and see if his messaging is appropriate. It actually seems like he glamorized suicide and it would have been better to just make a regular PSA video about suicide and services a person feeling suicide could get - it may seem cliche, but it really is the only appropriate way of going about such a sensitive topic.
So EmpLemon, when you going to get back on making OC dank maymay content?
1 likeNever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity... I guess?
1 likeThe reverse psychology worked on you
0 likesall of this just to say "behind behind the meme"
0 likesthe rise fall and decay of behind the meme
0 likesNooooooooo poor behind the meme, this poor guy :( I feel so bad :( nooooo :((((((((( I love you behind the meme <3 I’m gonna give you so much as revenue
0 likeson god tho emp this is some good shit.
0 likesPut it on 0.25x speed and it looks like an EarthBound Battle
0 likes4:02 thanks for teaching me a new word fam
0 likesIt really do be like that sometimes
0 likesI didn't even know he uploaded videos anymore
0 likesClueless man does bad thing cluelessly, but its a little better because he's clueless. That's basically the video.
0 likesi have no feelings one way or the other
0 likesfeels bad man.
0 likesRIP behind teh maymay he wil (not) be mised
0 likesWell the EU would have copyrighted him anyway.
0 likesBehindTheMeme's Downward Spiral
0 likesOh I forgot about that Behind The Meme dude.
1 likeGood guy emplemon
0 likesBtm, the misunderstood clown that people took too seriously.
0 likesPlease don't delete the BTM criticism video, that shit still makes me laugh
0 likesAnd i've officially seen everything.
0 likesEmotional incontinence
0 likesYou need to up the bitrate on a video like this.
0 likesDamn
0 likesNow I feel bad to
Well, this should at least take some of the hate off.
0 likesPeople thought those videos were real?
1 likeIt's pewdiepie killin' the memes now.
0 likesYeah no reason to hate on the guy. I mean he metaphorically committed suicide with these videos.
0 likesI think you just can't stand sharing the majority opinion
0 likesmy eyes hurt and I wasn't even looking
0 likesAwwwe that's really nice but he will be burnt on a stake
0 likesthis is so sad can we get a quarter of a million likes?
0 likesthanks for the seizure
0 likesIve finally given in and unsubscribed. Youre welcome
0 likesPlease EmpLemon, I desire you do nibble on my little toe
0 likesHow about we agree to hate his channel but not him
0 likesMcjuggernuggets did this two years ago and people freaked out then, mostly young children.
0 likesI thought behind the meme fate was the same fate as LeafyIsHere.
0 likesHeh, I posted on reddit that he was just lying for views a couple days ago and got a bunch of downvotes. Heh.
0 likesUnderstandable
1 likeSo does is this a promotion for your next YouTube geographic? Do Alex jones and behind the meme please?
0 likesThat's really cash money of you
0 likesNot what I expected.
0 likesI made a severe and contagious judgement,
0 likesPeople stick to hate youtube accounts instead of making better content instead.
0 likesIn a way, mob mentality is also a reason Youtube is not great, and it down punch any small youtuber if someone makes a viral video, we exploit drama and smear names but it never moves forward or even makes a change, instead we stick in the drama.
It's new but it doesn't change really until the next thing happens because it doesnt fix it.
Thank you
0 likesBehind the meme just pulled a Logan Paul.
0 likesguys you dont get it he did it as an le epic prank on logan paul
0 likesWHAT TIME LINE IS THIS?
0 likesthe youtube compression really does not like your spinny green and purple spiral thing lmao
0 likesWholesome spiral
0 likesI'm 13 and i knew it was fake just look at the names of the videos like come on people
0 likesOh goodi you did make a video address this.
0 likesYour brothers WTF i surely didn't see that coming
0 likesMay the commenter who has never been an epic fuckup cast the first dislike
1 likeThanks for the upload FUNKe
0 likeswell this turned around
0 likesOOF, FIRST TO NOT SAY FIRST
19 likesIT'S NEVER OGRE
0 likesYour mom
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No u
9 likesHoly shit
5 likes@10outta10
2 likesRacist
your daddy
1 likeWALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLMMAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRT
0 likesgoteem
0 likesGay
0 likesAnd yet at no point during these 7 boring minutes do you utter the words "I'm sorry". Pretty ironic given that you made a commentary about cancel culture in the Simpsons and the main culprit giving a half-assed excuse. And I love the fact that you did not delete the BTM video.
16 likesBuUuUuUuT! If BtM wAs ReAlLy DeAd, HoW dId He UpLoAdEd ThE vIdEo???1??
0 likesWrong.
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Meme, I am going to stop you here. EmpLemon is right, BTM did something stupid, but he was never evil.
5 likes@ivanmegafanboy It doesnt really matter anymore, BTM's channel is burning down anyways. Defending him or not, hes dying.
10 likes@A.D Slice Yes, too fucking late
0 likes@Happy Vore does mine do anything for ya?
2 likes@Happy Vore is your name my fetish??
3 likes@Happy Vore JAIL!
2 likesGo home cirno
1 likememe
0 likesRight.
Im cjoking on a cor ndog
0 likesDownward spiral
0 likesDownward spiral
0 likesOooo
5 likesTRAITOR
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OR-OR-OR-OR-OR-OR
0 likesno u
0 likesSo basically EmpLemon was a terrible person?
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Always has been
5 likesHasn't he owned up to it
5 likes@tobin 2.0 He has, multiple times.
3 likesOh wait so he's a normie that's not a shill? And I'm supposed to feel bad for him?
18 likesSorry Emp, but I'm still gonna shit on him for putting low effort content like I do with any other person who does that.
He may have good intentions, but that shouldn't justify his previous actions.
And regarding his most current series of videos: I could genuinely care less if you didn't mention it, no strong feelings either way really.
I mean at least he's trying something different. I don't know why so many people are triggered, like suicide is bad ass.
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protolan han ikr? The people that defend him are the same people that shun liking school shooters. Like goddamnit let me do what i want.
1 likeJesus Christ both of your comments are wowzers. I understand your points but hating on him for his content style is just petty. Also judging his fanbase and accusing them of also supporting school shooters is just stupid. That’s going a bit far.
13 likesV0lr it only joke
0 likes"that's going a bit far" oh shit he said we're going a bit too far.
0 likesWe better stop or we're gonna hurt his feelings more.
And we don't want any hurt feelings on the internet, people might become sad in real life.
Better ask Youtube to censor comments now to appeal to more companies who want to put ads.
"wowzers" holy shit, the only thing I can respond with is:
AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, OK SWEETIE, I'MA HAVE TO STOP YOU THERE HONEY.
protolan han that is going a bit too far tbh. I (just like every man and their dog) attacked btm and even did a video on him. Come to think of it, his videos didnt deserve so much flak. The man didnt attack a community. Only defended himself. Defended himself because he was making content he wanted to do. Now tbf the response to Anthony Melonthano was cringy. However, people dont make mistakes do they?
9 likesPeople who don't find a dichitomy between creator and their content shouldn't be critics.
8 likesIf you only see him as a degrading content producer affecting the culture that is so "niche", then you won't be able to see how external effects affect the content he produces. The content he produces doesn't exist in a vacuum.
If you only see him as a nice guy who did nothing wrong, then you won't see that he is spreading a culture that is misrepresented and is getting famous over shitty content.
In an ideal world, the critics should make it clear they find this distinction, but nowadays everyone is cynical, right? No one can have the benefit of the doubt because Youtubers are secretive monopolized two-faced media generators that don't have any idea what art is. Anyone can be a commentator and see clear observations that everyone else has repeated time and time again. It doesn't take much skill to be a critic of Youtubers anymore, and at that point, commentating becomes the degrading thing that the commentators used to critique.
Oh shit you're so right I'm very sorry Quantum Ridley.
2 likesPlease take this as a win, for your superior intellect and logic has overpowered me.
I feel downright horrible now holy shit.
Not everyone is perfect! Holy shit that's revolutionary thinking.
"don't deserve that much flak", genius, subjective ingenious.
"didn't attack the community", hmm I must have been mistaken when he did after the zenzi meme.
WOW just wow this man is a hero that should be loved by all because he DESERVES it.
WOWZERS.
@protolan han
8 likesYou don't need to think that I'm some sort of pretentious bastard, I'll always assume I'm incorrect.
- "the credentials for a youtube channel have gone down" was always interpreted as universal fact on YouTube. The critics who acclaim to fix it are part of the problem. And assuming that you knew that, I don't know why you would challenge that argument.
- "their critiques don't matter".
No one ever said they didn't, I just suggested that they shouldn't, unless they want to be hypocrites and become products of their own demise. I always like Emplemon's video and content, as his critiques are valid because reasoning is valid . As you gain further context, you gain better judgement.
Is BTM a shitty content creator? Hell yeah!
Is he deserving of the hundred thousands that hate him for doing so?
No.
- "WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY"
I'm assuming you were sarcastic and not an actual critique. Though I wish you could have realized that I was also mocking cynics when you quoted me. Either way, I'm just gonna look like a guy who took a joker seriously, so it doesn't matter.
I couldn't care less than what BTM was. As far as I can tell, his fanbase has diminished to that of only a few thousands. If stopping large creators to realize they are making bad content is what you want, or you want Youtube to stop giving exposure to creators with no skill, then do something about them. Because BTM is the least of your worries if you care about the cultural stability of this site.
Targeting Youtube is way better than targetting a single creator of the past that miraculously was made because of YouTube's incompetence.
The point of this video went right over your head
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Bes comen of all tim
0 likeshes sick in the head
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@Prussian Eagle General Kenobi!
2 likesApperantly...
4 likesEmpLemon still has thr high ground
HELLO THERE
0 likesWell hello there
0 likeswelcome home blooood
0 likesNow do lesson in meme culture
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Mic up podcast moment
1 likeDidn't expect to see you here
0 likesHere’s your chance to keep a loyal follower of 4 years. Your account has plummeted worse than the stock market crash in 2008, and I’m not accepting it anymore. Make better content or else I WILL be taking my engagements elsewhere.
2 likes@ْ ْ You made that comment as if you thought you had them at gunpoint or something lol, the hell do they care you leave? You're a single person.
2 likesDo you think of yourself that highly?
@Lucy Lu yes
0 likes@ْ ْ bro youre not the only audience here
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Matt Hoover your actually first dam
1 likeYou care enough to respond.
1 likeUpward spiral
0 likesBi-polarLemon
0 likesDoWn WaRd SpiRaL
0 likesLmao.
0 likesHow do I get likes? Hmm..... DOWNWARD SPIRAL!
0 likesWOW!
0 likesI want to go to bed
0 likessomething to think about
0 likesHe's like another leafy is here.
0 likesMake frying Behind The Meme
0 likesDarn. One hour late.
0 likesWhat he did was undeniably disgusting. But I don't have time to hate a dying YouTube channel. I have a life
0 likesHe could have stopped it at depression/suicide awareness without a FAKE suicide prank and probably kept the people who had shown up to support him, but now it's like when Spongebob took his ripped pants joke too far and now no one wants to stick up for him (see Jake Paul although he had the guts to find a real suicide victim to go with terrible delivery). I agree with everything you said, already his gimmick is just bad videos about memes and now he's pulling this crap, of course he's getting a bunch of hate.
0 likesStill gonna go shit on his comment section though....
0 likesUr late. Reddit already went through that, and before that 4chan.
0 likesTruly not cash money.
0 likesa few hours later instantly :d
0 likesVociferously
0 likesOH NO NO NO
0 likeswhat just happened.
0 likesi see, this is an attempt at reverse psychology.
0 likesWhat the hell?
0 likesHmmmmmm behind the Logan???
0 likesle gasp
0 likesOhnobabywhatisyoudoin?
1 like:dab:
0 likesThis video and the one about Leafy kind of makes me doubt any opinion I had about anything ever. I guess you're specifically trying to tell people not to just mindlessly fall into mob mentality and witchhunts and think for themselves. It's like watching MundaneMatt fall, sure, he did some really dumb shit and can't really handle criticism, but I still feel more sorry for the guy than I do hate him.
2 likesJoker lol
1 likeOkey.I'm with you.
1 likeI have haaa a a a a aa aa d i it
0 likesIn my time the dislike count is 444
0 likesOK I know this is off topic but, can you at least put something else other than BTM’s icon and some swirly thing?
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I’ll have you know that the swirly thing is a downward spiral! One that BTM was on! Tbh, this video really didn’t need any visuals, which is why this is all you see during the video!
1 likeGo back to doing YTPs
0 likesI also had the same thoughts... Poor guy
1 likeFYI I got this fucking notification just now but all these comments are 30 minutes or more earlier
0 likesI am so lost...
0 likesThat background is so annoying!
1 likeI've always had the "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed" feeling whenever BTH is involved in something, and I'd say that's the only valid way to treat him.
1 likeYou're an honorable man, EmpLemon.
2 likesthis made me want to cry due to the subject and what has all happened. Amazing video, I hope you grow big.
0 likes4:28 you made a pun, emp.
0 likesthat aside, you’re hands down my favorite channel on youtube. i’ve been watching youtube since basically the beginning and out of the 12 years of content that has pushed out of this filthy anus of a platform, you’ve repeatedly been one of the most talented poopers AND one of the insightful people i’ve ever had the pleasure of watching. you’re the deadpool of this website, pal. treasure that
I'm really glad you made this video; good on you.
2 likesI find it very hard to forgive BTM for this, primarily because in the past I have seriously considered suicide; to the point I had to get actual help for it. If from the start he had said what the goal of these videos were, it would all be hunky dory. But, no, he made us all genuinely worry about him and then proceeded to fake suicide... just to end it off with a "It's joke" moment.
1 likeI'm not going to do stupid shit like saying BTM deserves to die or anything cruel like that, but I am certainly less trusting of him. Mediocre videos or not.
I think he’s done the best thing he could do. This is what makes Emp not just a good YouTuber, but an genuine person.
0 likesBTM should definitely be pressured to improve, but I'm sure that he has good intentions.
1 likeyet again, you provide a very interesting perspective on a situation that I had not considered before. Thanks for that :)
0 likesI agree with you, man.
0 likesSome people are just naturally naive people, sometimes too naive.
We are all humans, and should treat each other as such.
Everyone, please leave Behind The Meme alone.
If I were him I would’ve played along with the Zenzi debacle way back when and make a more satirical series of videos where I slowly fall into insanity because I can’t understand Zenzi
0 likesTakes a big man to apologize. What a well thought out little speech you got here. Proud of you RulerCitrus.
0 likesBut Emp, I'm here for the spicy drama! Why do you have to be a level-headed and charitable person?
0 likesWell, this is unexpected. I feel bad for him now.
1 likeyou're a good man, emp
0 likesThanks for the insight Emp, looking at it from this perspective really changes my thoughts on BTM.
0 likesI'm glad you decided not to kick BTM while he was down, and that you decided to be the better man by showing some empathy towards him
0 likesif only BehindTheMeme had taken off his mask from the beginning it couldn't have lead to this. But as for you Emp see you at your next video but your point of view has been touching to the heart and BTM doesn't need more of this.
0 likesEmplemon has gone so far down the spiral he is defending behind the meme and making a youtube apology video.
2 likesEmplemon finally made a video that isn't entirely in a cynical tone 👏👏👏👏👏
0 likesSo I guess all along, behind the meme wasn’t doing anything wrong. But seriously, respect for your civil response.
0 likesThe thing is that even tho his word on depression is something to take consideration of, this guy is a fucking memer. It just seems completely out of character
0 likesHey man, no fault on your part. Just a simple mistake. You only did what you did because you were trying to protect our community, and you were so fed up with YouTube as a whole. I would’ve done the same exact thing if I were in your spot. I get it, you get it, we all get it man. You’re good.
0 likesGosh, this is the most sincerely sympathetic and human/real you've ever sounded. I'm super used to your snarky persona but this is a sort of breath of fresh air. You're cool.
0 likesI'm surprised people were still hating on him, I thought it was over already
0 likes"HELLO INTERNET, AND WELCOME TO BEHIND THE SUICIDE!"
2 likesSeriously though, why did he think this was a good idea?
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Most likely naivety. From what I've seen, BTM is kinda /r/OutOfTheLoop on how parts of the internet work. Suicide is very touchy and the message can easily be fucked up.
0 likesI think this video needed to be made. When I first saw your YOUTUBE IS CHANGING video, I thought "Alright this behindthememe thing is going too far." I thought a video saying to ease up on BTM needed to be done.
0 likesRest in peace behind the meme!
0 likesBehind The Meme? I figured he stopped uploading. Didn't even know this happened until recently. Good to see Emp isn't soulless and can defend someone, even though he literally complained about the guy for 30 minutes.
0 likesI completely agree that he’s just a doof. I mean, look at his channel before it started burning down. He was really just excited for it to grow and was looking forward to a face reveal, etc.
0 likesIf you stare at the downward spiral long enough, the downward spiral stares back.
1 likeI never actually had a problem with BTM, but I still really liked your video on him from last year. But damn, you have a really cynical view on YouTubers. A lot of us really do care about what we do on this site. I don't make videos cause I just want money and attention, I make them cause it's fun and satisfying to put tohether an entertaining video.
1 likeThe guy had his mom stick up for him in a video and call herself "mama memes" and the guy tries to reason with anons on 4chan , obviously he isn't the brightest of the bunch emp. Surprised you didn't see this sooner...
1 likeUnfortunately, I don't think those involved will stop hating the guy, by the sole the severeness of his actions, but I hope people who hate on him after finding out what he did by a secondary source will stop after watching this. This is a nice video.
0 likesDude got emotionally hit hard. It videos were stale, but least he was happy
0 likesNow that all this Behind the Meme crap is (hopefully) over, can you conplain about these "Boss rush" channels that spoil everything in their shitty clickbait thumbnails (like ProsafiaGaming, or Boss Fight Database).
1 likei never thought i would feel bad for him but ok
0 likesJoking aside, I refuse to call this channel's trajectory a downward spiral. What these past couple years have shown me is the evolution of a prevelant youtube pooper into a respectible person with a unique, inquisitive outlook on society and his irregular upload schedule of thought-provoking video essays. Thank you for your quality, hard work and dedication to making this amalgamation of a website just a bit brighter, Emp.
0 likesWell said, EmpLemon. Well said
0 likesI never thought we were past this issue of behind the meme
0 likesD O W N W A R D S P I R A L
You're in a rough spot emp because you unintentionally started the witch hunt. People misunderstood the video as you didn't criticize the person you criticized his content and it's good to separate the creator from the video.
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Unfortunately many people view criticizing the content the same as criticizing the creator... they think of them as one of the same.
0 likesIm starting to think that the people that were supporting him were doing it just for the 'social-justice points' or whatever you'd call it; Like a car dealer trying to sell you a shitty car, he has a warm demeanor, and yet you still end up turning down the deal and later starts talking trash about you to his co-worker
0 likesThis whole time for the past year and or so I've tried my absolute hardest to forget Behind The Meme even existed. I just do not care for his content!! At all! I don't care! Who does anymore? His channel certainly isn't dead, that's for sure. Thanks to the controversy he sparks up with every upload. But at the same time, I feel like he's beating a dead horse. I don't know what else to say. I honestly feel like the best thing he should do is try out a new hobby. Again, I don't care. I just tend to stay away from normies
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Hmmm
0 likesFeel like I heard a similar speech somewhere before, about not feeling any gratification
0 likesHis downward spiral will never be surpassed
0 likesAll this time we thought that behind the meme was a squidward but on reality he was a spongebob
0 likesEmpLemon
1 likeA righteous and just emperor
I just realized the Red, Lime, and Cyan parts of his logo are twice as big as the other parts.
0 likesAnd now I can't unsee it.
Why would anyone ever go against emperor lemon?
0 likesNow, this is character development
0 likesI understand why you feel bad for him but he shouldn't did that in the first place.
0 likesYou're ideas give off a Johnny Dee vibe. And if that's the case, then if be shocked.
1 likeSEE EMPLEMON?!?!?! HES NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG!!! TOLD U NERD!!
0 likesBut actually, holy hell this video sheds light on the whole situation. Gj dude
damn...
0 likesshocking twist of le plot.
whats next? emplemon saying BTM is a great person behind his computer?
Seems like he wanted to spread a message while also doing an artsy short series. I don't see what the problem is.
0 likesI mean, yeah, it wasn't a good idea, but I doubt he had ill intentions.
Behind the meme may be a normie, but I guess he is ok.
0 likesHe who fights beasts must make sure he dosen't become one too.
0 likesI think you actually pointed out how BtM doesn’t actually know how many of the memes he reviews are actually used, often citing KnowYourMeme verbatim. In your original video, you were very scornful about the audience he attracted. Again, you acknowledged how he isn’t with the “in” group of all this. I think you, deep down, always knew that BtM was coming from a place of optimistic ignorance.
0 likesDamm...
0 likesHope the guy fixes himself soon
I feel bad for his brother
0 likesSome people are just dumb. Oops! Doesn't mean he's evil.
1 likeRemember when he was called emperor lemon?
0 likesSo we’re leaving btm alone so now we can go bully pewdiepie until he stops meme review
0 likesIs EmperorCitrus a really serious guy? Who can be trusted?
0 likesBTM was trying to make his own KEK... but he's too hardcore of a normie to understand humor. I can't hate BTM entirely, but it's just that he's an unaware tbh. I just think if he tried thinking about how to talk about messages online appropriately- he'd be more easily perceived as some mediocre Youtuber for children or something.
0 likesBut you can't do that with all of his terribly executed trolling, misappropriation of dark subject matters, and of course, going against High Tier meme creators/4Chan.
To save himself, BTM should think about removing the entirety of the "When they were gone" series and maybe redoing some of his recent (past 1 or 2 yrs) worth of meme videos to expand on them and actually do research. I think his normie-ness could work as his gimmick, but he'd have to do some revamping of his channel.
When behind the meme gets on peoples nerves twice
0 likesBut the guy dosent need so much hate even though his videos sort off SUCC
Good intention; bad execution
0 likesemplemon enters "considerate" timeline
0 likesHullo innernet, and welcome to Behind the Meme! Today we have a look at:
0 likesKILLING MYSELF
Only time will tell that if this is true or not. We just have to let it go and wait. Well I will wait, I do not know about others.
0 likesI guess you’re probably right. I’m just so ignorant of the fact people aren’t always as self aware as others. And I will probably still act that way... and saying that I won’t, is abit of a tongue twister, because again, it doesn’t just click like that. I’ll still stay this way...
0 likesGood for you that you can see through to his probable and honest stupidity in real life. I applaud you for that. I watched your original video again and again because it was and still is a good video but this is a nice turn to see your softer side. I now have so much more respect for you. I have watched and loved your content for so long but this adds a whole new layer to your personality. I know you will get a lot of shit for this as it becomes more of a popular video and more people watch it. Just know that I have been a loyal sub for a while now and I hope people read this and don’t think it’s fake, but there will always be doubters who will take everything on this app as fake. This has been a fun experience to see where you have and continued to take this channel of yours. I hope you read and enjoy my comment as you have said in the past that you read or try to read all comments. I can’t wait for you next video. This is me signing off. Good luck and like I said before I can’t wait.
0 likesI get what you are saying, but what pissed me off the most personally is that his video on stephans death was fucking monetized.
0 likesWell this is something you don't see everyday.
0 likesI honestly don't know how to feel about btm but still good video
0 likesThe video we all needed
0 likesMemes are one hell of a drug
0 likesBut that's just a theory, a meme theory
0 likesI mean, i don't like to admit it, but i kinda liked his videos, maybe it was because I never seen something like his channel until I found yours.
0 likesEither way, this goes to show that youtube before 2014 was a simpler time. people made videos for the fun of it, and didn't care about money.
Perhaps behind the meme didn't care about money, he just wanted to be meme channel for fun and spread knowledge of memes.
he didn't do it in the best way he could, but at the end of the day, he tried.
I never felt like Behind the Meme was being greedy or fake. I just felt like he wasn't taking the opportunity to do something creative to flesh out the memes he spread awareness for the root of, like he was reading the wiki articles and I was hoping that, in his return he'd have been trying to dig into a new way to look at and interpret memes to where he could Express to others where their heart is.
0 likesWell his original vid got taken down so it ain't gonna be that bad for him no matter his true motives. I think it's for the better personally, he's not a bad guy but he does seem slow.
0 likesBut hey, thats just a theory...a meme theory!
0 likesThank you daddy lemon
1 likeSometimes the content doesn't make the man, I guess.
0 likesBeing clueless isn’t a free ticket to do whatever you want without backlash. That’s how I see it.
0 likesObviously your right!
0 likes#AgreeWithEmpLemon
0 likesOh so that's what he's doing now a days. Now i shall forget.
0 likesHE HAS CONVERTED TO THE DARK SIDE
0 likeswhy the fuck am I crying for a guy who I don't even know?
0 likesEnemies join forces to escape the downward spiral
0 likesBehind The Meme, The downward spiral.
0 likesNatural selection at it's finest
0 likesAnd thus, the downward spiral continues.....
0 likesJeez you can just call him kyle.
1 likeEmperor Lemon you have a case of GTA 4 ending disorder.
0 likesSooo... before I was watching btm... I was on his side... then I had seen his response and feeled like he was a good guy... the I had seen your vid and completely switched sides (because I was edgy and was tired of mainstream)... after some times I had mixed feelings about him because I was "maybe he us ignorant and just want to do the right thing"... and then this vid just approved in my head that he isnt really a asshole... just a guy wanting to do good things while being in the wrong place in the wrong time. But I am not on his side still. Just more sympathic towards him instead of pure hatred.
2 likesMaybe we have gone too far this time.
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We didn't go far enough.
0 likesEmplemon, welcome to the club
0 likesAs of now, he still hasn't took those videos down.
0 likesI wouldn't exactly say I sympathize with him, but I certainly don't hate him. If anything I just pity the dude. So let's say his videos are genuine and he's just kinda bland/mediocre. Mediocrity is pretty common so meh. But then to make a miniseries where he's depressed then supposedly offs himself? Then theres that "behind the meme is dead, kinda"" message, so maybe it's a sign his channel is gonna be redone or something different is gonna start. For now all I can do is feel pity if he's being genuine but also very indifferent to it.
0 likesThis ain't it cheif.
0 likesJokes aside. BTM is actually nothing to me. I don't mean that I don't value him as a person or anything. (I'm not psychotic) But I mean that he is just so "normie" that I honestly forgot he existed. And I'll probably forget tomorrow too. But I hope he succeeds in whatever little plans he makes. Even If I won't care or acknowledge it.
This is what happens when your Italian
0 likesOrdinaries, B E G O N E!
0 likesAh, another great elsworlds story
0 likesBehind the Meme: I'm depressed,(fake suicide)
0 likesAli-A Intro
L1k3 t0 sToP ScuiC1De
Well said
0 likesLmao BTM was still uploading? Forgot he existed, and thought he just died
1 likeYtbr:*does something shittyand gets backlash*
0 likesAlso the ytbr *a vid about depression/suicide"
A small sad man gets pity.
0 likesi just ignore it, but i didn't know it was this deep
0 likesthis guy read off know your meme then dipped
0 likesThat bit rate tho
1 likeoh lord emp
0 likesThis is like.. The one video of yours I disagree with.
0 likesHe needs to learn to take hate. If he does something stupid, he deserves the hate. When you sign up for YouTube or any social media, you're signing up for hate and negative feedback.
This man exploited suicide. He's like Logan Paul now. This shit is unforgivable and it was an immature and idiotic way to take hate. He made bad videos, got hate, and made an even worse video series. He deserves the shit he gets.
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This is where I'm gonna disagree with you, too.
0 likesI think that the man himself... was just trying to spread a positive message..
I know, that sounds crazy, but... I think we should look at WHY he did what he did and his reasoning.
I didn't even get notifications on BehindTheMeme uploads. Wtf.
0 likesI rewatched your earlier video on him an hour ago, what the hell is this collusion
0 likesThe LeafyWasHere Syndrome.
2 likesGreat point or whatever
0 likesOn an unrelated note, Downward Spiral is dead. 2017 is over
this poor man
0 likesWe have come full spiral
0 likesThere’s literally no way that you could be serious right now
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He's serious.
1 likeNicodapeek2 I’m in disbelief
0 likesBtm is on some Jake Paul type shit right now
0 likesI forgot he existed
0 likesI think he was trying to be an edge Lord, I mean wwe did it with Tim white in 2005, sure no excuse it was still hella cringy but still.
0 likesOne hell of a face turn not gonna lie
0 likesI never hated him ... I just thought he was a just a little on the normi side but not bad (at least he's not a fortnite YouTuber)
0 likesBehind The Dream
1 likeBehind The Manipulation
1 likeBut didnt you say yourself that just because people arent doing anything wrong doesnt meant they're not bad, like his bad content and he is doing stuff wrong
0 likesI’m tearing up
0 likesTop ten anime deaths
0 likesIs this april fools?
0 likesmemes no
0 likescommentary on memers yes
Hanlon's razor.
0 likesSo this is how you spend your Saturday night? Nerd.
0 likesThis guy faked his
1 likesuicide then dipped
Behind the meme is satire. You gladly though did not get played like GradeAUnderA. Now we wait.
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Good luck!
0 likesRip though
0 likesa video not bashing another youtuber?
0 likesmegaunsubscribed
While this may not be the best video to leave this comment on, but I'm early so whatever. I really liked your video on why millennials relate so much to spongebob. Alot
0 likesDiscord fake suicide? More like YouTube fake suicide.
0 likesHe’s about to kill himself.
0 likesReally your going white knight him
0 likesCan you dislike and unsubscribe?
1 likeDownloading hist last 6 videos as I watch your video, before he deletes them
0 likesWhy did he do it....
0 likesThis false downward spiral, the heritic
0 likesApril 1st came early this year.
1 likeFuck I asked for a video just 30 minutes ago, now I get one.
0 likesI like it I like it
0 likesso this is what akidearest was talking about...
0 likeso no not behind the meem
0 likes;_;
o how could you say that
Can someone tldr it for me?
0 likes...wow.
0 likesa year.
0 likesBTM needs help. Seriously. This isn't normal shit.
0 likesWhere the fric k is accented 5?
0 likeslegit who?
0 likesNice
0 likesLike for
0 likesBottom Text
I feel the need to comment, but I don't know why or what to say.
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I feel confused.
0 likesWhoa!
0 likesso good intentions means good actions? just because he meant well doesnt mean he did a good thing. dont defend him, it doesnt matter how pure his heart is. he needs to understand the consequences of his actions.
0 likesgosh
1 likeSuicide meme is now a thing
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@Zunbeltz Olague maybe if he broke his ipod video
0 likesThat's fucked up you don't do that because suicide is truly real and should not be done like that.
0 likesLogan Paul 2.0
0 likesSeriously?
0 likescool
0 likesoof
2 likesWell then
0 likesAW SHIT OOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIIIIIT
1 likeReplies (1)
oh.. shit. I feel bad for him,
0 likesEmpLemon doesn't pin his comments!
0 likescan u make a video on ifunny
1 likeIs this green simpsons
0 likesThis shit mad gay, make Skooks 7/6
0 likesHi there, YouTube commenter. How's your day?
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Quite nice, actually.
1 likeThank you for asking!
Why tf did he fake all of this? because people called him names? Also all jobs suck and he should be happy he got one this easy.
0 likesWow?
0 likespingus
1 likeYikes
0 likesO
1 likeDang
lol
0 likesBehind the meme, did an oopsie!
1 likeIf you ask me, the shit he did was still terrible. Good intentions don't make something right. However, I agree that this man has no idea how to make a proper video. Even when someone doesn't know that though, they can still try to cash in on popular things. Regardless, I have to agree there is a high chance the guy just wasn't even trying and was just trying to do good things. I usually tend not to assume people do things for money alone. However, trying to become popular and/or successful in a scummy or messed up way, yeah, I can imagine that. Then again I'm a bit naive. Lots of people still try to cash in on the crap that often happens on Youtube. Guess I'm just not used to it since I make shit for fun and to inspire people to live their life however the fuck they want.
2 likesStill, I hated BTM for the lack of authenticity the man has. Not him as a person, but what he does without thinking of his own identity, and how unaware he is of it, while I think he should be. I hate his channel and what it stands for. He tries too hard to sound like he knows what he's talking about and all, and I think that attitude, plus the misinformation he spread around, is just really bad for people's authenticity in general. People copy crap like that. People get inspired by others. It happens in major industries at the cost of actual artistic and creative integrity, happens in politics at the cost of people's ability to look further than what the general accepted view is, and so on.
I try really hard in everything I do, to be authentic to myself and do shit with passion, and I want everyone to do the same. Being free to be who you really are, and develop who you are. Anyone who doesn't do that does not belong on Youtube if you ask me. And yes, being influenced by other people and articles and whatnot, basically copying them, is also not very authentic. It feels a bit like Justin Bieber wearing a Municipal Waste shirt. BTM's formula for videos is still probably the worst thing I've seen on Youtube in this regard. And yeah, I don't blame the guy. I bet he just doesn't realize he doesn't know anything about the things he talks about. Sounded like it from the start. But I wish he didn't make those videos. Misinformation still sucks dick and he deserves to be criticized for it, good intentions or not. I agree BTM isn't nescessarily in it for the money. For whatever reason he's doing it though, I still wish he didn't, and that he instead did something he actually put his heart into without just reading half-correct info from KYM. I wish he thought about what he was doing and what he as an individual had to add to what he loved. We shouldn't make the guy's life miserable for not knowing his shit, but we should definitely correct it and inspire him and others to handle it in a more authentic way.
What what?
0 likesLol
0 likesBehind the Meme: Please be patient with me , I have A-U-T. I-SM . I have A-U-T-I-S-M AUTISM . Let’s be friends ...
0 likesREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
0 likesF
0 likesCursed
0 likeswait shit is my comment highlighted?
0 likesDamn. Him again?
0 likesNani!?
0 likesBehind the gay
0 likespeople can be so weird and unique that they can think things and people will think otherwise. people think differently and things can sometimes get fuddled when it gets down to the trend and messages. video content and the responses. people can sometimes jump to conclusions and those are the worst because once the seed is there, it's hard to get rid of and once it grows, the community can't really accept that it might be something else or there were overlooked pieces to this puzzle. we are all different and people seem to forget that a lot.
2 likes0w0
2 likesYeah right, EmperorLemon. The iDubbbz of memes making a video defending Behind The Meme? You've created this self righteous persona of, "I know everything," that it's hard to even take you and this video seriously. I mean, this is coming from a guy that said dank memes are dead. I think you're wrong, I think you're in no position to even make a video like this on this guy, and I think that at the end of the day, the guy deserves what's coming to him. I just hope that he'll learn from this. He's not immune to criticism. No one is. Even you.
0 likesI strongly disagree. Dude did something fucked, doesn’t matter if he’s an honest idiot. If he was a child that didn’t know better, then maybe, but he’s a grown man, capable of making the same decisions we all do, like not using a faked suicide for some luke warm “I’m raising awareness, guys” message.
0 likesI lost my father to suicide in March, all I can say is make sure that your loved ones know you love them and try to help them before it is too late.
0 likesI’ve been tempted to commit suicide from my life and after that it made me wanted to commit more but when I heard you speak out I put my knife down thank you lemon
0 likesdamn. if he wouldn’t have made meme videos, he could have been one of the last genuine humans on this site.
0 likesI really appreciate you doing this i was wondering your thoughts on this whole clusterfuck.
0 likesJesus christ i feel so guilty when I made jokes to my friends about behind the meme
2 likesI’ve always felt bad for the young man...
1 likeYou are a good man EmpLemon. I loved this video.
0 likesThis video is 2 years too late my dude. Too much damage has already been done to his channel.
2 likesMy my how unexpected. Truly one of the greatest Anime plot twist of all time.
0 likesWow I was totally out of this downward spiral, I stopped watching BTM after the last exposed video about him
3 likesEverything he’s done he’s bringing it on to himself
0 likesi really wanted to sympathize with behind the meme, i sometimes wonder why he put himself in that position... i will never sympathize with him, the only time i did was when everyone was sending hate comments...
1 likewhat he did seems like educational material
1 likeGood hearted EmpLemon :’)
0 likesThat was... mature as shit. Good on you.
0 likesWell said Emp.
0 likesEmpLemon defending Behind The Meme? What kind of timeline am I in?!
0 likesAyyy, even tho he did do something questionable,, you should have left alone and let him do his thing which was making video about memes, you and other people should have leave him alone and let him do it from the start
0 likesThere needs to be more youtubers that are just real on camera, not some cringy overhyped persona.
0 likesI saw these videos and didn't know what to think. Now I realize he has overwhelming amount of excess big dumb.
0 likes“BTM made have made the worst mistake in his YouTube career.” Wait? He still had a career?
0 likesHE GOT HIS MOM TO DEFEND HIM
0 likesThe real question is if Emp Lemon caused this or they killed themselves
0 likesI watched every video when they came out and I just was like, "Why?"
0 likesDEFENSE!?!? WTF?!?
0 likesReal talk: This was an retrospectively interesting and Innovative, yet scummy Idea. Yet He Wanted to do the right thing, but he did it in a Completely idiotic fashion. He IS and Idiot, but he wants to make people happy. He loves his work. Help him out, give him some support or advice (*GENUINE ADVICE*). It's sad to see someone with such a genuine heart do something so damn stupid and wind up in the shitter....
Welcome back to exposing behind the meme
0 likesI thought the day would never come
0 likesI defend BehindTheMeme. Hasn’t watched video yet
0 likes“In Blind Defense of BehindTheMeme”
Not gonna lie, i feel bad for him too. He was a cringy guy, that's all
0 likesOh shit he pulled a Logan Paul... it’s probably still gonna work and get him more attention... from response videos... like this
2 likesTimes sure have changed.
0 likesBehind the meme is a doofus. But he’s our doofus.
0 likesI thought I was already asleep when i saw this.
0 likesEmplemon is defending Behind the Meme?
0 likesEVERYONE TO THE BUNKERS THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!
I feel this vid
0 likesWell, this is another thing I didn't know happened.....
0 likesI don't think he is trying to manipulate his audience as he said he wanted to take the channel in another direction months ago in one of his channel updates.
0 likesHow much further down an endless spiral can you go?
0 likesTruly a downward spiral
0 likesH-have you actually lost it completely?
0 likesThat spirral is really going downwards.
0 likesSee, I pulled a sneaky one on ya.
0 likesSheesh. I kinda feel bad too. But, that's just how it is. We humans are flawed creatures.
0 likesEpic gamer moment
0 likesD O W N W A R D S 🅱️ I R A L
0 likesi had no idea this happened lol
2 likesReplies (1)
I found out this was happening while looking through r/Pyrocynical of all places
0 likesD O W N W A R D S P I R A L
0 likesBehindTheMeme? More like DehindTheDeme.!
1 likeLove your vids emplemon
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Both the new ones and old, old videos were my childhood
0 likesI didn’t even know this happened but that’s still fucked up
0 likesHOLY SHIT HES HERE!
0 likesBut bullying is good for people to help then develop.
0 likesPlease end my suffering
0 likesaw fuck, i cant believe weve done this
0 likesI want a vid on WWE lemon BOI
2 likeswell said
0 likesthat was great
0 likesOur lord has turned upon us.
0 likessome people thought it was an ARG or something
0 likesEnd my suffering
0 likesThis is blasphemy
0 likesBIG RIP, anon
0 likesSheesh, this was something
0 likesBehind the memes channel was dead when he made his channel
0 likesTop 10 brutal anime deaths
0 likesTHE SPIRAL HAS CHANGED DIRECTIONS
0 likesDefending the normifier?
0 likesLove the way the video looks
0 likesY'all still on Behind The Meme?
0 likes0:30 DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL
0 likesWhat if it's an act
0 likesThey don't call it the wild wild web for nothing
0 likesLast time I came this early my wife left me
0 likesLate night drops!? Damn!
0 likesDam deffending him?
0 likesI can just see the ”MEEEeEeEJhHh Lol u wrong” comments
1 likeThis ain't it cheif
1 likeOh hey my favorite news reporter uploaded a video
0 likesNOt 45 min i feel robbed :(
0 likesEmplemon wtf are you doing
0 likesDidn’t know until seeing this cause......why would I
1 like[Everyone disliked that.]
0 likesOh dear, we got another Logan Paul
0 likesPlease save me
0 likes1.5k views after only a minute, goddamn
0 likesDOWNWARD SPIRAL🌀🌀🌀
0 likesOk so basically btm is gone
0 likesdownward spiral
0 likesWhere is my super duper suit
0 likesOwO EmpLemon upload.
0 likes2:08 take notes Logan Paul
0 likesHave a nice day.
0 likesEmplemon should have a discord
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Well do I have bad news for you.
0 likesGod dammit.
0 likesI’m scared
1 likeAlexa play Despacito
1 likeSTOP WITH THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL
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Leave the way
0 likesMy family doesn't love me
0 likesMy family doesn't love me
0 likesThe 5 part anime is fake.
0 likesbehind the meme still uploading?
0 likesOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
0 likesTURNAROUND
Damn.
0 likesWhat the hell is that?!?! WHY the hell is that?!?!
0 likesin what universe i am
0 likesI hate that BTM made those videos
1 likeGoddamn
0 likesYoutubes drunk
0 likes211 comments
395 likes
2K views
Caillou is scared of Caillou ytp
0 likes1 view
2 likes45 likes
2 dislikes
3 comments
ACTUALLY ALOT MORE THEN 3 COMMENTS
Peepoo banana lmao
0 likesLol don't be sorry tho
0 likesHoly shit
0 likes1 view 32 likes seems legit
0 likesemplegend
0 likesWhat.
0 likesWHAT.
I'm so original amirite
0 likesWow
0 likesYo holy shot he dead
0 likesCool
1 likelol meme
1 likeOh gosh
0 likesOh shit.
0 likes1 view
0 likes142 comments
H U M S T.
Finna nut
0 likesHim big dum dum
0 likesoh shit
0 likesOh no...
0 likesJust like Kurt Cobain Said; The worst crime is faking it.
0 likes:O
0 likesholy fuck 5 minute club
0 likesI'm not cancer lol
0 likesYes I am
0 likesWhy tho
0 likesListen to Glass Animals
0 likesOh geez, made it here with only 1 view
0 likesF
0 likesGreetongs
0 likesLol finna dab
0 likesOh yeah
0 likesMewow
0 likesThis comment section is weird
0 likesI love your channel so pin me daddy emplemon
1 likeOooooooowoooooooO
1 likeKcuf dehinb eht emem.
0 likesOof. What
0 likesi have 0 words
0 likesReplies (1)
idk what to say
0 likesDam
0 likesNORMIES!!!!
1 likeREEEEEEE!!!!!
allright
0 likesi think you're just trying to back off so you can deny any allegations against you in case he decides to actually end himself
0 likesoOf
0 likesWtf 😡😡😡
0 likesOwO
0 likesDelet this
0 likesI should stop being cancer.
0 likesOk hi I wrote a really stupid comment along time ago so Hi.. Sorry? I hote you have a good life.... Also I am kinda stupid so my stupidity may have gotten the best of me.
0 likesFortnite ninja epic win
0 likesOkay.
0 likesNot this
1 likeo shish
0 likesWell
0 likesoh.
0 likeswhat the fucketh
0 likesOof
0 likesOof
0 likes12,345 views (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)
0 likesBTM still bad channel
0 likesI kinda agree with you. Don’t get me wrong, those videos were fucking stupid, but it might have had good intentions.
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0 likeshmmmm
0 likesIm gay
0 likeslol no
0 likesbehind the fake suicide
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/YflsCectl6I?t=438
0 likesHMMMMMM?
Top 5 hentai plot twist
0 likesOh
0 likesOh
0 likesowo
0 likesNothing wrong with manipulating emotions. That's how humanity works be it in art, war, entertainment, religion or culture.
0 likeswhat
0 likesWhat
0 likesI can't believe this video had to be made.
0 likesOr not
0 likesYeesh
0 likesLol nerds
0 likesWat
0 likesHe didn't fake it all dude. He most likely DID have depression, and ya gotta think, if he killed himself, how could he upload it? So of course the suicide was fake. no shit.
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0 likesHi how are you
0 likeswha
0 likesok
0 likesok
0 likesHello I’m here
0 likesDab
0 likesDelet this, a man lost his life
0 likesCringe
0 likessixxty nine
0 likesThis is so sad
0 likesDownward spiral
0 likesOh you gotta be fucking kidding me
0 likesholy heck
0 likesshocking
0 likesIts not possible!
0 likesoh wow
0 likesWell well
1 like:o
2 likesYeeeeet
1 likeWhat????
1 likeyo wtf
1 likeWelp
0 likesHello emp
1 likeHo ar u
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I like how this is edited
0 likesHm.
0 likesPardon
0 likes420,970 Views
1 likeNice
Of course it was fake, normies don't kill themselves.
3 likesWut
0 likesHello there
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Obi wan Kenobi General kenobi
0 likesMy mom died. Like if you agree.
2 likesgae?
0 likesBoo hoo
0 likesOk
0 likesNormies
0 likesNo
0 likesNo
0 likesThis video is a bit too late don't you think?
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what? it legit came out like 1 day after the whole ordeal was revealed to be fake.... look at the upload date dude
6 likesThis vid came out a day after his vud
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0 likesuhhhh
0 likesI don't care
0 likesnormies
0 likesDamn it 3rd
1 likeHmm
0 likes2 minutes ago
0 likes6,901st Viewer!
0 likesmy name jeff
0 likesThis might be more insulting than the first video
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How?
4 likesHow?
3 likesI feel like BTM is that little kid in Little league who has no idea what he's doing but you just feel so bad for him be wise he's so clueless you feel bad for him.
1 likeIck
0 likesOr you are just getting old and loosing your edge
0 likesI don’t like Behind The Meme as a person, I don’t really like his content.
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0 likesHi.
0 likesHi
0 likesHi
0 likes"Who's audience consists of mainly children" Just like your audience. I'm willing to bet the majority of your viewers are around 14.
0 likesYou took a big part of this, so it's your fault as well
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What's his fault?
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0 likesDidn't think you would become a normie apologist.
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Jokes aside (also hello from the future) emp didn't apologize when his entire community turned on him like others, he apologized when he had no reason to do so, when everybody was on his side ready to bash BTM
0 likesOh no his channel is dead
0 likesLast
0 likesto be honest you should contact him and help make him what he seeks to be, an actual credible meme review channel without any normies on the bandwagon.
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yeah uh im not first
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0 likesSo how come you didn't take down your "Behind the meme" videos as an apology, huh?
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erasing history is never good. only way to move on is to keep it around as a lesson
9 likesDo you think that would bring BTM back?
0 likes@Gonzalo T. I don't know.
0 likes@Sillimant do you think btm would come back
0 likes@PhaseOntoTheAvenue I doubt it. I think he's too far gone now, look at the videos he uploaded. It would appear he was harassed so much he snapped and maybe had a breakdown, I sincerely believe we've lost him
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0 likesFirst
0 likeswhy doesn't behind the meme have at least one million subscribers
1 likeYour obsession with this channel is cringe
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2 likesPpl are finally noticing that BTM isn't actually that bad of a guy? After everything that's happened to the guy just because of a youtuber opinion of him and giving him a bad reputation for no reason, look I understand that the guy don't make as good of videos but who cares? Idk if it's me but who cares if ppl make dumb vids? Hell it could be lazy or just something for fun but what if the person you're trying to hate to make better Vida just don't want too? Hell, make bad videos just cause you don't want too. Who cares if a video was made lazily? There's tons of popular videos that are lazy but get no hate. I Lil memes but people take them too seriously sometimes, it's literally a funny video or popular trend but with another title. People have even DDOSed him just for stupid reasons? At least now finally someone with more common sense can just say " hey, he isn't really a bad guy just have different motives ".
0 likesYou had so many reasons to go with the flow, YET STILL, you'vs found a way to trigger the NPCs. To be frank, this is what I love about your channel the most. You never join the hivemind
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"you never join the hivemind"
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This comment reeks of constant reddit use and neckbeardedness
7 likesreddit moment
2 likesInstagram energy
0 likesYour rant video was a lot better in my opinion
1 likeNaaa behind the meme sucks
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yes, the content was bad, but only due to ignorance. he didn't deserve what happened to him
24 likesimagine doxxing someone cuz he explained memes terribly
6 likesWe should bully Behind the Meme harder than before guys
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