Big respect to Emp for not being an egotistical maniac and admitting his mistakes in the past. You need lots of balls to actually do that. And after all, BTM is just a naïve manchild with genuine intentions. Like Pyro said, I'm sure he's a nice guy even though he probably unironically wears Watchmojo shirts in real life. He makes bad content but I don't think he deserved a lot of hate because of it.

@Toyota Corolla he admits to his mistakes but that doesnt change everything thats happened, btm still got tons of abuse for no reason, the only thing emp couldve done to rectify what he did was delete his rant video, yet thats still up, so this whole apology video is just some face saving bullshit. and what if your comment is 3 years old? have your opinions changed since then?

@Commander Bravo2 nice job replying to a 3 year old comment.

and besides nowhere in my comment did I fanboy. all I said is I have respect for Emp for admitting that he did BehindTheMeme wrong and acknowledged that mistake because he also agrees that BTM isn't a bad person.

yes, BTM is the manchild, but emp who made a 30 minute rant attacking someone over "meme culture" is the poster boy of maturity. nice fanboying 👍

@Commander Bravo2 it's pathetic when they justify their actions bc he's normie. people got mad over a funny internet memes

it's like they never grew up

hating someone because they made harmless content which you viewed as bad? thats honestly despicable

Two questions I have:

1. Who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to doxx this guy? Let alone over producing videos that misdescribed memes. Whoever did that should be ashamed of themself.

2. Did anyone consider reaching out to the guy who ran BTM, and asking him what his creative process was?

Someone could have perhaps pointed him to better sources or shown him slicker editing techniques.

Coming from the perspective of someone who hadn’t heard of the channel until the YouTube Downward Spiral video, the channel’s content wasn’t very good or anything like that (decent thumbnails but that’s about it), but I don’t see anything morally wrong about the videos.

As for Emplemon, his video on Behind the Meme was pretty good in my opinion, but I wouldn’t call it his best work.

The one thing he could have done differently was preface the criticism by saying that he wasn’t personally mad at the guy (it appears that he never truly was, and he even said so near the end of that video). In his YouTube downward spiral video, Emplemon mentioned that the average time spent viewing that 33 minute video was about eight minutes, so unless they skipped around, the average viewer wouldn’t have heard that sentiment.

What do you think?

@Bashkir Mapper And then you are just one of these people who are the main problem in the first place.

LOL wearing watchmojo shirts, doesn't get more normie than that

This is probably the only constructive use of a spicey pyro meme I've ever seen, respecc brother.

You wanna know who else admitted there mistakes? Jake Paul... not everyone is genuinely sorry.

He deserves it because he could kill memes with a large fandom like PolandBall

I am waiting until BTM and Emplemon become Uber allies

Hi It's Me <br>Chirred a sad man, clinging to pretentious speeches in the corner of a circus, receiving no attention, for he was no more than a clown; entertaining an empty crowd.

Hi It's Me
Chirred a sad man, clinging to pretentious speeches in the corner of a circus, receiving no attention, for he was no more than a clown; entertaining an empty crowd.

1997 Toyota Corolla E110 agreed. Which SBN3 could take some cues

@Wilbur Demitel his channel is dead. He probably has to start from the ground up with a new set of content to create.

Will he have exposure? Sure.

Will people like him if he just went on doing memes, again? No.

There is definitely room for improvement.

Wilbur Demitel darkness filled the air as a heavy insult was heard

@Lone Stars although BTM probably has no room for improvement due to a lack of interest on the channel's behalf (remember that good intentions does not excuse lazy videos for a rather popular channel like his), I really believe he must have learnt something from this mess.

1997 Toyota Corolla E110 love the name. Too bad it wasnt another RWD generation, but damnit, it had a great engine!

I agree...if anything we should support him and try to help him make better content....

Wilbur Demitel screeched, tears in his eyes as he gazed upon his edited comment with a undertale profile picture by the side

Wilbur Demitel <i>“don’t invalidate my statement on mainstream culture”</i> he says as he proceeds to call people normie

Wilbur Demitel _“don’t invalidate my statement on mainstream culture”_ he says as he proceeds to call people normie

@Hi It's Me that's just dumb and purely semantics don't invalidate my statement on mainstream culture.

Wilbur Demitel saying someone is a “normie” in itself is a normie thing to do

When you consider that there's plenty of people like him for the same reasons normie culture exists, this argument seems even more convincing.

It's not bad, it's just not our taste. Are the weather fore cast or golf or country music bad? No.

I just watched his Draw my life videos and he said because there were no videos explaining what is Dicks out for harambe he made one and after "7 years of doing videos on and off through several accounts"(quote) his channel got traction.

"I did the video and already had 10 subscribers and the video had 1000 views. And then I had 100 subscribers and my first video had 10,000 views. And then 500 subscribers and 50,000 views."

"The comment section was full of people thanking me and asking for more videos"

"Before I knew it i had 100,000 subscribers. And then 200,000 subscribers and then 300,000,
500,000,
700,000 subscribers."

And then he goes on to thank his subscribers,etc,etc,etc...

To me,this speaks volumes about who he is, why he keeps making videos ignoring everyone else, and confirms:

He is just a naive dude doing what he thinks is best and is best left alone.


some say EmpLemon's heart grew three times that day

this is the best comment i have ever seen. congratulations im writing you on my graphics card fan with a yellow sharpie

@SQuinGedSUB Nowadays he probably wouldn’t be up to the task of only because we are so far away from the situation, but when the channel was active, something like that may have been a good idea. Too bad it never occurred to anyone.

As far as content farms go (or rather, channels that repeatedly upload to gain as much watch time as possible), none are very good in terms of content, and they would all probably ignore all criticism.

WatchMojo is a pretty bad channel (though I would actually call them one of the better content farms because at least their videos talk about a variety of topics).

The worst channel like that in my opinion (and in my opinion, the worst extremely large channel on the site) would have to be 5 Minute Crafts, who uploads an average of three times a day, who has somehow managed to get 73 million subscribers, and who uploads “life hack” suggestions that have often been ripped from other sources, and that aren’t useful according to most people.

In any event, thank you for replying to me, and have a great day!

@Fries true, though I don’t know if he would respond now, but I do believe that he’d likely take the advice if he really is who Emp said he is in this video. Just a regular dude who made mediocre content (as not like a watchmojo type)

@SQuinGedSUB My apologies for coming back to this conversation so much, but I do have one last question regarding this whole situation:

Did anyone consider reaching out to the guy running Behind the Meme, and help him with video production, or point him to better sources?

People complained that the videos were generically delivered, and the descriptions were read off of Know Your Meme, or at the very least paraphrasing what that site reads, and that makes sense.

But I wonder if anyone critical of the guy considered helping him become a creator that they would want to follow.

That could have prevented the rest of the situation if well executed.

Just a thought I had.

@SQuinGedSUB Sounds good. Thank you for replying at all!

@Fries yeah I saw that as well, which is why I was confused as to why people were attacking him since he mentions that he doesn’t hate BTM as a person. But I guess some people might’ve not watched tht part or the other video (since his <i>yt downward spiral</i> video doesn’t have BTM in the title so people wouldn’t know to look there). Your comment about Emp’s Youtube Copyright Meta is VERY long, but I will still still try to respond to it seeing as I watched all three parts and do have thoughs about it.

@Fries yeah I saw that as well, which is why I was confused as to why people were attacking him since he mentions that he doesn’t hate BTM as a person. But I guess some people might’ve not watched tht part or the other video (since his _yt downward spiral_ video doesn’t have BTM in the title so people wouldn’t know to look there). Your comment about Emp’s Youtube Copyright Meta is VERY long, but I will still still try to respond to it seeing as I watched all three parts and do have thoughs about it.

@SQuinGedSUB One other thought I just had:

If you watch the video EmpLemon did on Behind the Meme, he does allude to the fact that he is not actually mad at the guy, and that he doesn’t think anything was morally wrong about what he did.

However, that doesn’t occur until very late in the video (probably the last minute before credits).

In his video on YouTube’s downward spiral, Lemon cut to a screen that showed that the average watch time on that video was 8:26, so unless someone skipped around, they wouldn’t have heard that part of his commentary. This obviously wouldn’t explain how people arrived at doxxing, but if that part of the video isn’t something that someone heard, I do see how they would conclude that Lemon thought the guy was a terrible person.

@Fries I agree with you that the doxxers should be scrutinized and not Emp. That was mainly the point I was making, but it seems like the guy I said it too still hasn’t responded. Heck I didn’t even notice how long it’s been until you replied to me.

@SQuinGedSUB The videos may not have been good (though I wouldn't say there is anything morally wrong about misdescribing memes), and while the guy did not handle the criticism he received maturely, I can't help but ask: Why did anyone think it was a good idea to doxx the guy behind Behind the Meme?

Those two things may not have been good responses, but I wouldn't call that reaction justified.

As for Emperor Lemon, he really didn't do anything wrong here. All he did was (as you said) knock the videos, and his reactions to the criticism. Looking at his video, I have no idea how someone would watch that and conclude that the person behind the channel should be doxxed.

If anyone did something morally wrong here, it's the doxxers (ok that's not a word, but you get my point). What say you?

@Alexander Chon
Emplemon was only critiquing his content . Even in the first video on BTM he said that he doesn't hate him, only the videos he makes. It was the loud minority of toxic people that agreed with Emp that went on the anti-BTM crusade.

@Alexander Chon
Emplemon was only critiquing his *_content_* . Even in the first video on BTM he said that he doesn't hate him, only the videos he makes. It was the loud minority of toxic people that agreed with Emp that went on the anti-BTM crusade.

Nah, that's impossible<br>The heart has little space to move, let alone expand 3 sizes.

Nah, that's impossible
The heart has little space to move, let alone expand 3 sizes.

Some say people used this comment like 3 times already probably copying each other

Immediately shrinking back 6 times, creating a black hole from which no love could escape.

How the Downward Spiral ruined Christmas for everyone.

@Cerberus Games TV me. Cause D A M N. IT WAS THREE SIZES

It's three SIZES.
S I Z E S

nah jk who tf would be unironically anal about a dr seuss reference

It's three SIZES.
*_S I Z E S_*

nah jk who tf would be unironically anal about a dr seuss reference

and then he had a heart attack due to the sudden heart disturbance. his death was slow and painful.


BTM was simply too pure for the Internet and is in over his head.

@Dillon Redditor detected opinion reject.

@Someone Somewhere some people like you need it. But most people get corrupted off it, toxicity and all.

@Mr. Spectacals normies are just more functional members of society they aren't making jokes that are stupid and idiotic and are only funny because "did mak no sense", they have lives unlike us sitting on the internet and I feel sad about that.

Bananas Were us <b>is that a Jojo's Reference?!</b>

Bananas Were us *is that a Jojo's Reference?!*

He got karma for spawn camping the meme birthing interdimension

What? But I've been on the internet for so many years, literally lived there to escape depression and a toxic family and I'm still trying to be polite to others, unless they really piss me off or when I'm making jokes that involve insults.<br>Maybe because it was just A) beaten into me to be polite or B) I'm not as pessimistic and cynical as I thought I am.

What? But I've been on the internet for so many years, literally lived there to escape depression and a toxic family and I'm still trying to be polite to others, unless they really piss me off or when I'm making jokes that involve insults.
Maybe because it was just A) beaten into me to be polite or B) I'm not as pessimistic and cynical as I thought I am.

Agreed. At first I tried to make certain forums really polite and not as wild westy, but I've learned to go with the flow. Now I argue with people for fun on YouTube, and if I'm feeling like I really need to shit on stupid people, Instagram.

He is just a beautiful cinnamon roll. Too good for this world, too pure.

I remember when I actually had a life and was not socially awkward

@Julia Gloria I REJECT MY HUMANITY, NORMIES

People who stay on the internet will be corrupted by their own humanity. It's the beauty and the wilderness of the internet.

People that we call "normies" tend to be too pure for the internet in the first place.


I don't care what your opinion is on BTM, but no one deserves to be doxxed. That was when it went too far.

He did not deserve to be doxxed!

Seriously, he got harassed and bullied by a bunch of people all because he explained memes!

@ItsGamer93 I... Do not understand what you are saying.

The content he made wasn’t very good in general, and his responses to his critics certainly come off as condescending.

But I have no idea why anyone would think that doxxing another person, or sending them death threats is a good idea.

Also, did the doxing and death threats happen before his depression videos? Just curious as to the timeline.

@High Definition the necroposts n e v e r  e n d

@Wilo Polis it reeked of jealousy imo lmao, especially on Fantano's part

@Malixulo / Murder of Crowz especially considering he defending him at the point where everyone was shitting on BTM for faking his "soup-of-side".

To say you don't care what his opinion is, kind of implies that you didn't watch. I don't know, it's just a hostile thing to say, in a video that is in defense of the BTM.

@Tech Freak <br>I don't know, man. Emp's content surpasses any fan toxicity

@Tech Freak
I don't know, man. Emp's content surpasses any fan toxicity

@Bread Why would anybody wish death upon someone even though its totally undeserved?

@Wilo Polis  Excuse me but what??? I may have read your comment extremely wrong and if so correct me, but just because he had no understanding of memes and tried to teach without even knowing memes, inadvertently causing peeps to hate on him is no reason to be happy about his potential suicide. How is that maturing?

@Zalternative X Setting aside the fact that those replies are over 2 years old and I have matured a sizable amount since, he has been completely inactive on all social media platforms and it's very possible he killed himself.

But it's worth it because he ruined memes.

He committed suicide.

But go on, enlighten me with your edgy hipsterness.

@Wilo Polis I'm against normies who genuinely are attention seeking people who think memes are cool.

The thing is legally they've lost, they have no argument against it, once you dox someone and give them death threats you pretty much loose your defence. And there's enough comments that he'd have a decent case.

Doxxers seem to always inadvertently help the reputation of their targets by making the targets look better by contrast. Once the doxxers show up, the question stops being whether or not the target is in the wrong, and becomes whether they deserved to be doxxed (to which the answer is always no).

@ゴ Chunky Phattz ゴ no it means more than that. educate yourself.

I hate the word Normie, it was literally made just to make fun of people who have a different sense of humor that you.

@Dubuya Jay Bruh, that burn was... illegally hot. Nice, totally agree, his fanbase makes his content cancer to me even though they're just agreeing with him...wait how are his fans worse than him? Edit: oh right he got harassed and doxed by them. Yeah, that's bad.

@Wilo Polis ohh thank you :D

Wait shit that's horrible

@Gabriele Genota Basically it means to leak someone's personal info (usually their location) and go to their location or whatever

Hey uh... i still dont know what doxx means

@Dubuya Jay Also, to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the minds of fanbases, but pretty much all fanbases love attacking YouTube channels, I wouldn't say it's particularly EmpLemon's in comparison

@Dubuya Jay I know, that's what I was saying<br>Although I do feel like EmpLemon could be a bit more cautious about saying "but don't go attacking this guy or anything"

@Dubuya Jay I know, that's what I was saying
Although I do feel like EmpLemon could be a bit more cautious about saying "but don't go attacking this guy or anything"

@Wilo Polis No, it was his fans.  They make the Rick and Morty fandom look tame.

@Aereto Criticising people is just what people do on YouTube. People need content to make if they're going to stay relevant on the site. So if they ever find anything they think is questionable, they absolutely need to make a video about it.<br>Could EmpLemon have handled it better? Definitely. But I don't think it's 100% fair to blame him on this drama.

@Aereto Criticising people is just what people do on YouTube. People need content to make if they're going to stay relevant on the site. So if they ever find anything they think is questionable, they absolutely need to make a video about it.
Could EmpLemon have handled it better? Definitely. But I don't think it's 100% fair to blame him on this drama.

But you can guess who caused this mess in the first place, and it was not BTM.


Some guy starts making videos with the best intentions only to then get misunderstood by another Youtuber with a better understanding of the subject matter that the random guy covers, and because of that he calls him out effectively sending a hate mob against him that ends up doxing him after this he retires from the web for a while.
After he returns he decides to help awareness of an actual problem but does this so badly that everyone interprets it as him whoring but its that single moment of incompetence that makes the Other Youtuber realize the guy's genuine incompetence and after getting this realization he decides to tell the hate mob to stop.
Its almost poetic

While I do think it was a bad thing to post those videos, It isn’t just to spread awareness. In his own words he actually had these feelings himself. This video still feels insulting because it’s just “oh he’s stupid” without actually thinking about his feelings

There’s one detail here that is often overlooked:

In his video on YouTube’s Downward Spiral, Emplemon displayed an image of the screen from his Behind the Meme video.

It showed that the average watch time was 8:26. That may seem reasonably long, but consider that the video was just over 32 minutes, and that very late in the video (at about 29:40), he explicitly stated that he doesn’t hate Behind the Meme, or even think that his intent was malicious.

He was simply critical of the execution of his videos, and about the misconceptions that were spread through those videos.

Keep in mind that that is just short of 30 minutes into the video, and the average viewer watched 8:26.

So unless someone skipped around, or watched nearly the whole video, they wouldn’t have heard that comment.

As such, I do see how someone could watch a portion of the video before that and conclude that Lemon thought Behind the Meme was a terrible person, but either way, I have no idea how someone would watch that video and conclude that Behind the Meme should be doxed.

The one thing Emplemon could have done was preface his criticism with that comment initially instead of leaving it to the end so more people would hear it, but he didn’t do anything wrong I would argue.

@Very angery man / minecraft is CoOl Its very depressing

Why do people make it sound like emplemon asked btm to be doxxed

Not Freeman laymans terms? im so out of it rn

A tragic comedy, and Emp turned out to be the true buttmonkey in the end. Like SJWs, what has been done cannot be undone. Emp could not redeem himself anymore.

@Very angery man / minecraft is CoOl That's because it is depressing

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE DANG TIME

This is why you should always be open minded.

This would make for a good shakesperean drama if more people died.

Triggered MINECRAFT fan boy / minecraft is CoOl It is pretty depressing if you think about it.

The way you put it made it sound pretty depressing


EmpLemon's heart grew three sizes that day

Before he made this video, his heart was like 0.2 milimeter big

Back then his heart imploded into an ion bomb.

Does he even have a heart to begin with a year ago?


This was the point emplemon turned from:

-a naive ytp child.

Into:

-a caring and intelligent documentary-creating man.

While we may never get a new ytp from emplemon, (collab entry or not) it’s nice to know that he’s changing and maturing with his own channel, and that he’s now making his own videos whenever, and on whatever topic he decides to talk about. From Homer Simpson Vs. Frank Grimes, to NASCAR’s most feared race track, both his early days and his ytps will live forever in our hearts as one of the greatest ytpers of the generation.


I feel bad for Behind the Meme. He genuinely seems like a nice guy.

If he moved on from his current content then he could have a small YouTube success


I think the dichotomy of spongebob and squidwards relationship emp lemon talked about in the spongebob video is very similar to the relationship between him, and BTM. Emp lemon being the squidward of this situation, and BTM being spongebob. Both of them stuck in a similar shit position due to you tubes algorithm. It's just BTM had a more positive outlook on the situation and wanted to spread a genuine message. Emp thought he had some sorta agenda but just like the pizza delivery moment once a force more sinicle then him broke BTM's enthusiasm, and desires of spreading a positive message... Emp stood up for him. Just like how squidward stood up for spongebob. Just something interesting that popped in my head.

With that pizza delivery comparison...

WE WERE THE "DIET DR.KELP" FISH

FUCK...

omg i watch you that's crazy seeing people i watch on other places lol

Just Another channel with a unoriginal name

i am the only one who imagines BTM as dante and EmpLemon ans virgil from Dante's Inferno

But unlike Squidward, Emplemon can't redeem himself anymore.

You're right, except this is life. There are no happy endings. Not for SpongeBob or for Squidward. Just a sweet moment of humility.

The Bombers it’s... it’s just like the pizza episode.

@KingHalbatorix You can tell from context he probably meant "sinister." Although I suppose cynical COULD make sense in that situation.

Hey bombers, It's great to see you here! :D

GAMP: Sicker than your average kigger nilller

there's something else, emp knew better than btm

"It's not just a joke! It's a meme! It's a <b>meEeEeMe!</b> Oh the pioneers used to ride these babies all over Something Awful!"

"It's not just a joke! It's a meme! It's a *meEeEeMe!* Oh the pioneers used to ride these babies all over Something Awful!"

I stopped reading this after pressing read more

But that’s just a theory, a game theory, thanks for watching

Boi, we gonna make <b>Emplemon's Philosophical Inquiry on Memetics and Youtube Book?</b>

Boi, we gonna make *Emplemon's Philosophical Inquiry on Memetics and Youtube Book?*


Man, I really despise the misunderstanding of depression, abuse of self-diagnosis, and how easily it's thrown around.

It's hard to be critical when talking about these subjects, you don't want to feel like an asshole but for me, it's maintaining it's importance without diluting the message. Self-diagnosis makes all of this tricky, you can't really deny it and the potential of a serious issue combined with possible misunderstanding without a professional opinion can lead to situations like this one.

I seriously doubt the internet will ever find a solution because of how delicate the topic of mental illness is. I really want to make a "This is so sad" joke, but I think BehindTheMeme can come out stronger or at least wiser from the controversy. I'm hoping people can learn from their mistake.

@Aereto  Aereto  binch, I've been diagnosed for a solid 8 years lmao. That being said, it probably was a improper diagnosis .  After  reading eading more on my possible condition and what Wolfin suggested.

A psychologist friend suggests I'm probably bipolar, which feels a lot more accurate.
Still though, sorry about this tangent. This was sorta my way to wrap up this thread, I feel you on that though. :v

@Doofus <br>You never understand depression until you encounter it yourself. It develops in subtle ways; the more drastic actions are actually the late-stage depression. It nips at you from the inside, taking joy out of what keeps you content and happy. You feel tired even at full night's slumber. Many, subtle things.

@Doofus
You never understand depression until you encounter it yourself. It develops in subtle ways; the more drastic actions are actually the late-stage depression. It nips at you from the inside, taking joy out of what keeps you content and happy. You feel tired even at full night's slumber. Many, subtle things.

Ben Dover - I'm sorry, but besides that anecdotal and subjective experience, do you suggest that depression is all or nothing? Unfortunately, depression is a term describing a multitude of different and even mutually exclusive symptoms. Whether it's because of different people reacting in their own way, or because of actually different mental states, that in no way entitles you more to that term than anyone else.

Mental illness in the physical, neurochemistry sense is almost non-existent. Humans who are biologically depressed because of neurochemistry would be almost wholly selected out of the population. The rise in depression we are seeing is not a disease affecting the neurochemistry of our brains, but a natural response to the artificial, asocial society/environment that is developing around us. That is why depression is always diagnosed as innate or genetic predisposition to being depressed; we haven't examined the environment that we are creating, we've simply accepted it as necessary and part of modern life, despite it being so radically different from the characteristic human experience that we are intimately adapted to.

Even these replies are all overly simplified.

Holy fuck, hey Doof, it's me, Moth, can't believe I'm seeing you here

Yikes Wolfin, never thought of that. I'll definitely be interested in reading about this later on.

Self-diagnosis is seen as inaccurate, but professional diagnosis can be biased toward overdiagnosis, in order to push antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, etc.
Pharmaceutical reps wine and dine doctors and invite them to weeks long "seminars" at tropical destinations. To remain impartial while enjoying these benefits is impossible.
Read James Davies' Cracked if you want to lose all faith in the modern medicine system.

Self-diagnosis is seen as inaccurate, but professional diagnosis can be biased toward overdiagnosis, in order to push antidepressants, antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, etc.
Pharmaceutical reps wine and dine doctors and invite them to weeks long "seminars" at tropical destinations. To remain impartial while enjoying these benefits is impossible.
Read James Davies' _Cracked_ if you want to lose all faith in the modern medicine system.

For example i used to be depressed somewhere through school but it didn't take a toll on me (at least not self harm) because it was a state of mind that passed through my life but people out there have the horrible mental condition that must be treated delicatly or else it can get worse and people who suffer with that problem still have a mark of that demon they faced because it doesn't just go.

Eh... sorry but innocence and good intentions through harmful ignorance, also harmful stupidity and bad circumstances... is not really a thing (to me).
As one suffering depression and formally contemplating suicide myself; His take and play up on suicide like countless other online attempts, is horrifically disrespectful and even dangerous to the actually suicidal; REGARDLESS of intent or self-awareness, same goes for everything he has been doing up till now.
 HOWEVER like you've said, I've long forgotten and stopped caring about Behind the Meme. Won't ever really forgive, but have already forgotten, and lost care to do or say anything to him in anyway. I'll still be all the more glad if the does turn around from this... but only EXACTLY because he DOES deserve some level of blame.

Eh... sorry but innocence and good intentions through harmful ignorance, also harmful stupidity and bad circumstances... is not really a thing (to me).
As one suffering depression and formally contemplating suicide myself; His take and play up on suicide like countless other online attempts, is horrifically disrespectful and even dangerous to the actually suicidal; REGARDLESS of intent or self-awareness, same goes for everything he has been doing up till now.
 *HOWEVER* like you've said, I've long forgotten and stopped caring about Behind the Meme. Won't ever really forgive, but have already forgotten, and lost care to do or say anything to him in anyway. I'll still be all the more glad if the does turn around from this... but only EXACTLY because he DOES deserve some level of blame.

I agree with you Doofus. It's normal to feel down but to say it's depression is diluting what that word means.

Besides, clinical depression happens from brain wiring(hence it being mental illness), not because "the haters" are bringing you down.

It's the lack of awareness for the difference between the state of mind and the mental health issue that makes depression an overused term


Emp realised that on the internet, there are some people with no bad intentions and most people forgot about that
That's why Emp is here, to remind that there are new people on the internet to guide and that, at some point, we were new when we were introduced to it
Nice job, bud

I read that in engineers voice and it literally made me take it more seriously


BehindTheMeme is like that clueless kid on your group project but he still trying to make everyone happy by trying to help, buy snacks, etc. But in the end his attempt is not making everyone happy and he get hated for that

It’s the thought that counts just point him in the right direction and you’ve got an a-ok mate

@The Game of the Play Gaming "hey bro, u seem down, need emotional support?"
"Nah bro, I'm good, I just need some time for myself"
"Seriously bro, I can help"
"No, really, just get me some space please"
"There, there, there's nothing to be worried about"

Is that helpful?

@Sharkronical “hey bro need emotional support”
‘Nah you can’t instantly help me”
“alright”

@The Game of the Play Gaming trying to help isn't immediately helping

so he’s that helpful kid nobody cares about? Bruh

An Indonesian man of culture too i see...


I have an suggestion emp: Reach out to the guy. Give him meme advice or whatever. Help this guy escape medocrity

Just send him links to "lessons in meme culture"

Last video he uploaded was 10 months from this guy.
Something luckily happened.

Last video he uploaded was 10 months from this guy.
Something *luckily* happened.

Fuck no! He deserves punishment for telling blatant lies.

@Trikki Clips Exactly. It's just a term and when you call an ACTUAL normie only to call that person out from their mistakes, you should try to educate and inform on what they're doing wrong, [persay with the legitimate evidence of that they're actual a normie] instead of using the term to ridicule ANYONE or deliver the message to other people "that you have dominance or superiority over someone" because of a [your] complex/ego.

holy fuck I thought about the exact same thing, I need to see this shit happen, a proper emperor lemon btm meme channel, he should just start from the beginning without any of the normies (word hurts to say but what else do i call them) on his ass

@Trikki Clips that wasn't really the issue with that comment, more the "he should stay mediocre" part

@Literally Gaston well, i consider myself an outsider and i dont take memes seriously, i never did, i just try to get a good laugh out of them and i respect the people who made them.

It is too late to fix that. Reaching out after that just makes things far worse. You are giving a better reason to hate Emp more.

Itz Trikki Ah yes, because youtube is totally niche. <br>Dude, I’m what you would call an “outsider” myself I just don’t think that it makes me better which is something very common in this community. It came to this point that I actually prefer “normies” because at least they’re having fun and not taking funny pictures from the internet so seriously.

Itz Trikki Ah yes, because youtube is totally niche.
Dude, I’m what you would call an “outsider” myself I just don’t think that it makes me better which is something very common in this community. It came to this point that I actually prefer “normies” because at least they’re having fun and not taking funny pictures from the internet so seriously.

@Literally Gaston well, its just the 2 different demographics, the mainstream (normies) and the outsiders. Im more of an outsider, since i think that mainstream shit like Stranger Things or The Walking Dead are kinda shit, so I watch youtube.

@Boks yes, im talking about you, hypocrite.

What gives EmpLemon the right to use "normie" but one person in this comment section says it and everyone calls it "outdated," it really makes me question the Emperor's fans.

Still some immature kids using swear words... Hmm...

Can you imagine? Suddenly they open a channel together were Lemon explain memes to BTM and BTM is all like "Woooooooow... Memes are so deep". I'd pay for that shit.

Please don't fuel the normies, he should stay mediocre

How would emp do that? Emp thrives on making mediocrity.


Never disliked him, just his content. People already know suicide is such a serious topic, seeing him pull it off like some skit or prank video just felt so...unethical to say the least. His intentions were meaningful but his actions and results caused more distress than actual awareness. I get he isn't a bad guy, but I just can't really forgive someone that would have thought using the topic of suicide like this would ever spread awareness of suicide.

There are better ways he could have executed the message.

If you people went around sending death threats to someone and doxing them, you deserve the scare.

I didn't even dislike his type of content. It made people that were new to the Internet understand memes. It was mediocre, sure but at least it wasn't horrible

You can try and reason with people who decided to shoot up schools before suiciding. This is the equivalent.

This... is a work of art! 😢

How, exactly, are you supposed to "spread awareness of suicide" without "using the topic of suicide?"

Here are some proof that it's all fake. First, how does a gun looks like that. It's plastic! It's not even that big. People thought this is fake but imagine a guy in Birdman movie shooting himself in front of a Broadway play. I know the movie is fiction but just imagine that in real life...

Second, if you look closely of what he saying, he needs help. He's not committing to take his own life, he's just trying to express his emotion via recording on video. If that happened, how does he pre-recorded the videos for just 2-4 days and how can he edit the video about that suicide hotline ending with him being dead? (Or so)

Third, I know his channel is mediocre, but it does'nt mean you hate a person. For me, in my opinion, I kinda like his content a little. I never like his content obsessively nor hated, it's just decent for me. His research tried hard to be original but he needs more materials to prove his channel for the best. What happened when the content changed? Well, it's over. All over!

Lesson: Always think or wonder before you speak.

Here are some proof that it's all fake. First, how does a gun looks like that. It's plastic! It's not even that big. People thought this is fake but imagine a guy in Birdman movie shooting himself in front of a Broadway play. I know the movie is fiction but just imagine that in real life...

Second, if you look closely of what he saying, he needs help. He's not committing to take his own life, he's just trying to express his emotion via recording on video. If that happened, how does he pre-recorded the videos for just 2-4 days and how can he edit the video about that suicide hotline ending with him being dead? (Or so)

Third, I know his channel is mediocre, but it does'nt mean you hate a person. For me, in my opinion, I kinda like his content a little. I never like his content obsessively nor hated, it's just decent for me. His research tried hard to be original but he needs more materials to prove his channel for the best. What happened when the content changed? Well, it's over. All over!

*Lesson:* Always think or wonder before you speak.

He was quite successful in raising awareness. Everyone at the time agreed that EmpLemon was the cause of his suicide. People wanted to stop what gave people suicidal thoughts

7T Productions I just hope BTM realizes that he has to either embrace the meme he has become himself; or stop with youtube as a whole..

7T Productions oh Im not defending him. Whatever his intentions were; the video he pulled off of these intentions didnt work out and made no point.

BUT it makes me suspicious and it rings some alarms..
He seems like the type of guy to be oblivious enough to not realize where hes going with these thoughts...and all the negative reactions he gets from the internet as well....downward spirals and their undertow develop fast..

@Felsbrocken I get where you're going, but actions can't be solely justified by motives. If he felt suicidal, he could have went for help, he shouldn't have even made videos if he felt as such. But this wasn't about him being suicidal, this was suppose to be him spreading suicide awareness. What the videos showed was him behaving suicidal, a situation very serious when it turns out it was clearly an act as he said it was only to spread awareness of such. The key word is that he acted suicidal, he tricked us to believing he was suicidal. If he was suicidal, I only ask him to seek professional help, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that everyone was put on edge for his performance just for him to say "I didn't kill myself, this was to spread awareness!"

So nobody is even <b>slightly</b> considering that he maybe did this because he encountered suicidal thoughts for the first time in his life and didnt know any other method to process that than a video?

So nobody is even *slightly* considering that he maybe did this because he encountered suicidal thoughts for the first time in his life and didnt know any other method to process that than a video?

@Geo The P totally fine, I completely understand what you mean, or hopefully I think I do. Obviously I'm not an expert on this stuff so it's wonderful to have debates like this. As for the metaphor, it gets thrown around a lot by some people in my area, I really dislike the use of it. But yeah trying to apply ethics to this wouldn't really do much other than pure commentary, but I do enjoy the topic of ethics within a situation and analysing what happened which is why I even brought it up and judging from the thumbs on this, people found this interesting. Case in short, I agree with you and in my personal thought, I'm really grateful to have someone to discuss this with.

7T Productions - Do people actually use "negative times negative is positive" as a metaphor? Lol, that sounds so goofy. I don't claim that what BHM did was ethical, but I don't think that's even the point. Aren't unethical actions warranted under specific circumstances? I think that is what you should be debating. They only two ways to explain his actions, I think, are either him purely trying to express himself or to purposefully defend against his harassment. Neither of these sound any unwarranted in my opinion. Unethical, maybe? But what is the point of ethics other than vague guidelines if you don't even take the context in account. Just like I find your claim about ignorance and responsibility unhelpful, there is always something you don't or cannot know, you just end up creating unecessary stress. Sorry for analysing it too much.

@Geo The P unethical? Yes of course, no one should voice their opinions in such strong emotions. Being most of the ones who harass are anonymous however, this kind of problem is very difficult to resolve.

Two wrongs don't make a right though, even though people counteract that metaphor with "negative times negative is positive" it's important that we are constantly adding our actions, never multiplying. Metaphors aside, everyone takes responsibility for what has happened. BTM for his actions, and even me for simply not knowing this until emplemon released this video. We all share this problem

7T Productions - Wouldn't you say that the harassment he got was also unethical? Intentionally or not, stirring up the waters in the "meme community" was a way for fighting back. I'm personally glad that those people had their voices drowned in this noise.

Like they say, a path paved with good intentions could still lead to bad ending

It would have been better if he didn't upload it to the channel, maybe put a ARG and a "found footage" type of thing.


behindthememe wasn't manipulating us. he was just a naive teacher.


Oh, jesus, this whole fucking thing is like a creepy pasta... A regular dude with good intentions gets doxxed and hated like a rapist or criminal for years for what ? For not being good enough at memes ? For helping normies?  <br>Damn, Fuck the internet

Oh, jesus, this whole fucking thing is like a creepy pasta... A regular dude with good intentions gets doxxed and hated like a rapist or criminal for years for what ? For not being good enough at memes ? For helping normies?
Damn, Fuck the internet


I generally find it comforting to believe that sometimes people are just... Stupid.  Sometimes people aren't secretly scheming and evil, but just kinda foolish and unaware.  Kanye, for example.  Kanye is strange and opaque and downright horrid-sounding at times, but I find it hard to believe that he's some evil dude that changes his name to YE and talks in third person just as an act.  I think he's really just terminally strange.

@Jordan L You knkw stuff, but not about satanism. Your first mistake was mentioning it like it was bad.

@Jordan L 2 years ago you knows nothing about satanism.

we're talking about someone who thought asking his mommy to diss one someone else for him was a good idea.

or get mad after 4chan and calling them elitists when they're the very source of most of the content of his videos.

of course he's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

"Never atribute to malice that wich is equally atributed to stupitity, but dont rule out malice" -random dude

I don't find him stupid. Strange for sure, but not stupid. He at least questions the ordinary media stuff and tries to come up with his own answers. It's kinda brave when you think about it

Hermaeus Jackson I thought kanye acts like that cause he's bipolar and it's a response to his mom passing away

I've had to study and research a bit of Kanye in order to write character for an abridged series of mine. In Amagi Brilliant Park the main character is named Kanie Seiya and Kanie is how the Japanese say Kanye and Seiya has a kanji letter that means "West". Kanie Seiya and Kanye West act similar but I wanted to fully play with the idea that he IS Kanye West, in my parody.

So anyhow back to Kanye. Before researching Kanye, I hated him, the way media portrays him, what I've seen of him, what I've heard about him. All bad, sounds like a massive dick with his head way too far up his head. But as I started researching him, I found him to be genuinely a nice guy. He's a little eccentric and can say some ludicrous things at times but I believe his intentions are honest and he is ultimately altruistic. He really just speaks his minds at times and he should work on controlling it at times but these days he's been handling it better.

About him being highly narcissistic and egotistical at times, I reckon it's more half an act and half real. He IS narcissistic and egotistical but he purposely EXAGGERATES it at times to be controversial. He says some crazy things but he genuinely believes in them and sometimes he just explains it in the worst way that makes him seen more than an asshole he actually is.


Emp is Grimes.
BTM is Homer.
Which leaves us with a question...

Why are they green?

Moon Man did you just say that we live in a society

Because the downward spiral is green (and purple)

Did you just predict he would make a video about them??

Would you look at that now? It's like the Simpsons predicted it! Ha... Really, interesint...

I thought u meant Grimes the musician and I was so confused 😂

Or, as The Bombers put it in another comment, BTM and Emp are like Spongebob and Squidward respectively at the end of Pizza Delivery, as Emp described in his own video about Spongebob, with the poor conditions of Youtube’s landscape and algorithms being the pizza customer.


Defending Behind The Meme? Is this video from an alternate reality where EmpLemon is not on a downward spiral?

I would not have expected this from you. But fair play to you for your sympathetic change of heart.


I always thought that the idea of BehindTheMeme being some normie-pandering, low-effort shill was a bit excessive.
He always seemed more like a guy who genuinely didn't know what he was dabbling in more than being some money-hungering punk.

Regardless, it's really mature of you to own up to such a mistake.

Too bad he can't fix this mistake, so there is no way to redeem himself anymore.


Emplemon was so wrapped up in the thought that YouTubers were emotionless money hungry fools he forgot that sometimes some people upload for the sake of informing and fun.<br>He found his way out of a downward spiral of thought.

Emplemon was so wrapped up in the thought that YouTubers were emotionless money hungry fools he forgot that sometimes some people upload for the sake of informing and fun.
He found his way out of a downward spiral of thought.

@PooDoo DrillDick No, it was what's happened after being buried in constant hate from a toxic fandom and subculture.  I'm not saying it's ok.  What he did was awful.  I'm just not surprised.  You'd be a lot less cheerful and friendly too after having your proverbial tree shaken constantly for so long.

Faking depression and using suicide stunts for money and views by manipulating your young fans is not getting out of a downward spirial


👏 That's how I always saw BTM, as a kind of iffy YouTuber with good heart and a stolen Game Theory intro spiel, and it made me sad when people hated on him so systematically.

He didn’t deserve all that hate and harassment everyone gave him

That's why "BTM shouldn't take our joy of knowing memes that normies don't" doesn't make sense, they coped with bullying by being bullies themselves

I was on my way to think this way, but I myself was too naive to think that. Coming back on it with a more matured and grown mind compared to before, BTM reminds me a lot of myself. A fucking idiot who was just doing what they loved. I really wish I can go back and be blissful while watching his videos, because at the same time I watched the BTM video by Emp last year, and bandwagon'd with him to hate BTM. I regret doing that.<br>I just hope Behind the Meme doesn't have his life affected by this, and I hope he turns into an ERB type channel, doing what they do without anyone interfering. He deserves it.

I was on my way to think this way, but I myself was too naive to think that. Coming back on it with a more matured and grown mind compared to before, BTM reminds me a lot of myself. A fucking idiot who was just doing what they loved. I really wish I can go back and be blissful while watching his videos, because at the same time I watched the BTM video by Emp last year, and bandwagon'd with him to hate BTM. I regret doing that.
I just hope Behind the Meme doesn't have his life affected by this, and I hope he turns into an ERB type channel, doing what they do without anyone interfering. He deserves it.


The only people worthy of hatred are those who are truly evil.

@Eros That's how chains of abuse and bullying start

@Disguised Are you for real dissing his anime liking unironically?

Yowatsapp 05 PewDiePie isn’t evil though.

in the far-off background, the pauls <b>DABS ON DEM HATERS</b>

in the far-off background, the pauls *DABS ON DEM HATERS*


Looks like his reverse psychology worked on you emp

Nah we are all humans no matter what we do, it’s important to understand and forgive people

What should we forgive behind the meme for nothing he didn’t do anything in the first place

@Adrian J. I think what Logan Paul did was a mix of ignorance, being in the wrong mental state, and of course narcissism.

アメリカやイギリスを英語だ笑い方

@PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming Animal Crossing

I can't take you seriously when you use a comma splice.

Guess who still rocks out to Nickelback and borrows his parents computer. 🖒This guy🖒

I dont forgive anyone because im an angry spiteful asshole.

@Blaster .M pepe is a simbol for peace and love

If youre not a robot dont have pepe as your pfp

@It's Me Veronica how tf does a pepe goes along with a wholesome commment?<br>This is amazing to witness

@It's Me Veronica how tf does a pepe goes along with a wholesome commment?
This is amazing to witness

That pfp goes along with the comment lol

I don't forgive Logan Paul for exploiting suicide I don't forgive BTM either.


The thing is, he was serious.
He was depressed, and he was suicidal.
But he spoke to professionals, and was able to fight it.
He then made these videos to reenact what happened, ending with what could’ve happened, to raise awareness.

The thing is, he was serious.
He *was* depressed, and he *was* suicidal.
But he spoke to professionals, and was able to fight it.
He then made these videos to reenact what happened, ending with what could’ve happened, to raise awareness.

Luke Bennett Are ya going to answer the question anytime soon?

Luke Bennett JUST ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION! Plz

@Luke Bennett they want to know if you don't think cyberbullying can cause depression, I think

@Jayden's Lap top I replied in a douchebag manner because it is obnoxious, whether you are kidding or not. I do not even remember replying to this main comment, and you guys are asking me to answer?

@Jayden's Lap top I simply dont remember the video, please, tell me how I can answer something that I don't know how to answer. Its so so so so so simple.

@Luke Bennett p sure im the first guy to say this but you didnt answer the question

Lucas Urquiza Since uhh Luke won’t be answering the question allow me to do it. Cyber bullying can cause depression, Hell in all honesty during the drama I think behind the meme was depressed, but after he recovered he made those videos to show people that could’ve happened, Luke it was that fucking easy to answer my friend

Luke Bennett But ya gonna answer the question anytime?

@LogarithmGames When did I say that? I cannot answer a question that I don't know the answer to, I do not remember this video. Period.

@Luke Bennett But will you answer the question tho?

@Luke Bennett answer the god damn question

@Luke Bennett You still haven't answered tho.

@Luke Bennett because you never answered

Luke Bennett and what? You think cyber bullying can’t cause depression?

@Luke Bennett  Yes, and that might probably be the cause of what Parzival was trying to point out.

No, he was showing that because he was constantly bullied by people online.


I love your videos so much, you seem so genuine in every analysis you do. Appreciate ye and rang that bell


I never hated BehindTheMeme or his content (I'm not saying I like it either) in the first place, which is very satisfying that EmpLemon of all people are being nicer to him. Let's hope this can continue on.

It's like the whole "Mr Enter" video all over again. People began to apologize to Mr Enter as it came to light that he was harassed by a lot of people.


Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance.

Tell that to the commentary community.

"Yes, he stuttered twice and his video is over ten minutes long, that must be a way to obtain more money."

Should we purge him then, and not give him time to improve, or is ignorance a disease you can't change?

Septagram how many razors are there? Like we talking 3-4 or 5-6 because I got some hairy legs and occam’s razor broke partway through my first way


Damn, I wish more people saw this video...

I was pretty upset seeing that Emp hated BTM back in the day. I genuinely enjoyed BTM's videos, and knew he was genuine and loved what he did. No malicious intent behind it. He thought the videos were helpful and good, and he thought he was actually raising awareness for suicide. The videos might not have been top-tier content, but they were good enough for what they did, and honestly, my content isn't exactly the greatest either, but I love making videos here and there.

Naive, incompetent, ignorant, whatever you wanna call it... he was just trying to make memes more accessible for people, like my family members who always saw me laughing at memes and were feeling left out and dumb for not being able to understand them like I did. He explained the memes far better than I could, and then we were all able to laugh at the memes.

The hate for BTM was unwarranted and egregious. Glad Emp was able to come to his senses, and I wish more people had done the same. Doxxing is not acceptable, and hardly anything warrants it, especially of this nature.

I think it was just a product of the time. Wrong place, wrong time. BTM was an unfortunate victim.


I still think the term "Normie" has lost all meaning. I think its what people say to feel stronger and better than someone else


>BehindTheMeme's sheer incompetence has convinced me of his innocence.

I love this


Saddest thing is that there's people that are against cancel culture yet proceed to defend the hate against BTM. Let the man grow, for fuck sake.


EmpLemon?? with a heart??? now he has completely lost it... for the better :)

"Hurt" is a song by American industrial rock band Nine Inch Nails from their second studio album, The Downward Spiral (1994).

7「STAND」 DAD<br>where did i sound butthurt lol

7「STAND」 DAD
where did i sound butthurt lol

EmpLemon was always empathetic with people, he was one of the few people I've seen defending Leafy in any shape or form

And following our will and wind
We may just go where no one's been
We'll ride the spiral to the end
And may just go where no one's been
Spiral out, keep going

Della's Mashups
EmpLemon had a heart for Leafy too.
You just have to rewatch the documentary.

Maybe it's not a downward spiral, it's an upside-down upwards spiral.

PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming<br>my third eye has opened

PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming
my third eye has opened

Heyyy della i didnt know you were meme enthusiast. Fyi i love your god sent mashups


What separates a EmpLemon from a Paul Logan is that they're willing to admit what they did wrong and accept humility. He could have easily left BTM to the wolves but instead stands up for him.


It is kind of ironic.

Our hatred for the way YouTube has changed has destroyed the last piece of its former self.

The piece that just wanted to make videos for the sake of making videos, not concerned with money, fame, or attention.

This was the day YouTube TRULY died.

The light had been completely depleted, and now all we can do is just pick up the pieces.

RIP Behind the Meme:

“The last genuine Youtuber.”


It's been ages since the BTM drama and I remembered it today. I remember your insensitive video where you called him a "normie" like a pathetic child and acted like he was some kind of war criminal. But now, you accept your mistakes and you also accept BTM for who he is, which I'm happy about :D. You've become more mature, just as I'm sure BTM has.


This video, in my opinion, is where the old YTP EmperorLemon ends and modern documentary maker EmpLemon begins.


Hanlon's razor:

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

possibly copied comment police 👮♀👮♀🚔🚔🚨🚨weeee wooooo 🚨🚨


I'm loving Emplemon's character development


it's sad to see a bad execution being seen as bad motives

Bad execution is still bad, however, he can be forgiven

On YouTube these days, it's hard to tell what anybody's motives are. It's kinda sad. I do hope BTM is able to cope with the backlash.


Conclusion: BehindTheMeme was never a bad guy, he just made bad content and bad decisions. He was also a bit of a dummy.


“Was so unbelievably Poorly Executed “
Nice pun

“Was so unbelievably *Poorly Executed* “
Nice pun

Hey, I found you in the comment section again. Nice

Why I'm I suddenly seeing you on every video I watch?

I see god has entered the comment section


The YouTube community just...broke him. He was so normal and now he’s just completely lost it. Really shows the effect that extreme amounts of hate and doxxing for talking about the history of memes can do

They broke him…

They damaged his sanity… thanks to them harassing and bullying him…


This issue is really hurting my brain but here's the best input I can say:

Pros: Hes a good and genuine guy on the inside, who wants to make people happy without any issues at all. He made behind the meme to explain ("explain") memes to people who just wanted to know. And theres nothing wrong with that. While he was doing these videos, it seems he was able to get his truth out about how he felt about the deep issues people had with his channel, and I respect him for that.

Cons: the videos were fucked up, ok? Whenever I watched them, it genuinely concerned me to see this dude drinking alcohol and crying about how he has almost no life. Call me stupid, call me gullible, I dont care. Those videos genuinely had me confused and they were COMPLETELY unexpected from this dude. He knows that young children watch his videos, and he made a FAKE SUICIDE. It was really  unnecessary, and in my opinion, he was doing this for gasp attention.

(summary) In my opinion, he could've tried to make a more mature video, or found a better way to reignite his channel. Over this issue, I feel no anger that he did all of this. But Im glad that hes ok and that this dude didnt actually do something like this. I hope after this incident he can make his channel better and I hope that his or any channel for that matter ever fakes a goddamn suicide again.

Thank you.

This issue is really hurting my brain but here's the best input I can say:

Pros: Hes a good and genuine guy on the inside, who wants to make people happy without any issues at all. He made behind the meme to explain ("explain") memes to people who just wanted to know. And theres nothing wrong with that. While he was doing these videos, it seems he was able to get his truth out about how he felt about the deep issues people had with his channel, and I respect him for that.

Cons: the videos were fucked up, ok? Whenever I watched them, it genuinely concerned me to see this dude drinking alcohol and crying about how he has almost no life. Call me stupid, call me gullible, I dont care. Those videos genuinely had me confused and they were COMPLETELY unexpected from this dude. He knows that young children watch his videos, and he made a FAKE SUICIDE. It was really  unnecessary, and in my opinion, he was doing this for *gasp* attention.

(summary) In my opinion, he could've tried to make a more mature video, or found a better way to reignite his channel. Over this issue, I feel no anger that he did all of this. But Im glad that hes ok and that this dude didnt actually do something like this. I hope after this incident he can make his channel better and I hope that his or any channel for that matter ever fakes a goddamn suicide again.

Thank you.

Negativepicksal "The Most I Have!" Kids looking at inappropriate memes is enough. Why would they watch him, I thought it was a dead channel?


“Be careful what you do, because the lie becomes the truth”<br>-Michael Joseph Jackson

“Be careful what you do, because the lie becomes the truth”
-Michael Joseph Jackson


You’re definitely one of the best youtubers on this platform. I like how you admit that you’re wrong or able to be criticized.

The level of readiness a person has to admit when they're wrong is one of, if not the most accurate metrics of assessing said person's intelligence.

Because being wrong or ignorant about / to something and conceding that the person showing them they're wrong that you are indeed wrong is literally HOW WE LEARN. I've an IQ of 187 (wechsler scale) which is EXTREMELY high but if I were the opposite type of person (there are a fuckload of these people) to double down and press their wrong opinion even harder when proven objectively wrong: I would be an absolute dumb-cunt...

I admire you, Emp. The world needs more people like you ❤

The level of readiness a person has to admit when they're wrong is one of, if not *the* most accurate metrics of assessing said person's intelligence.

*Because being wrong or ignorant about / to something and conceding that the person showing them they're wrong that you are indeed wrong is literally HOW WE LEARN. I've an IQ of 187 (wechsler scale) which is EXTREMELY high but if I were the opposite type of person (there are a fuckload of these people) to double down and press their wrong opinion even harder when proven objectively wrong: I would be an absolute dumb-cunt...*

I admire you, Emp. The world needs more people like you ❤


I forgot BehindTheMeme was a thing to begin with.

Holy shit. This comment fucking exploded. Ecks Dee


I NEVER hated this guy, I knew he was doing this meme thing just to make people happy


One time, I felt like becoming a Normie more than an Outsider because of how Outsiders are just toxic people who treat Normies bad just because they aren't up-to-date with memes. Normies, on the other hand, are just regular people who stumbled upon the other side of the internet and liked the memes.

I am a Normie and I appreciate you not hating us Tobey.

We should remember, all of us started as normies


+1000 respect. That BehindTheMeme video was the first thing I ever saw from this channel; I couldn’t even finish the whole thing because it just felt too nasty, spiteful and arrogant. I never even liked BehindTheMeme, but it reminded me of those awful videos from Leafy or GradeAUnderA where they just bashed some dude who didn’t know any better.

I recently rediscovered this channel because I saw “There will Never Ever be a another driver like Dale Earnhardt”, in my recommendeds, and despite not caring at all about NASCAR, I clicked on it on a whim. Without a doubt, one of the best YouTube videos I’ve ever seen. I’ve since watched a few more of EmpLemon’s videos, and they all have a similar level of detail and professionalism, although perhaps not always the same passion. Regardless, this is a good channel; but I still had reservations about EmpLemon, because I hadn’t forgiven him for that BehindTheMeme video.

Then I saw this. I clicked on it.

I no longer have any reservations about calling this channel one of my favorites.


So BehindTheMeme was the good guy the whole time. I should've known.

@Strigorvious Dregorous Well, everyone is morally grey which there is neither good nor bad. BTM is maybe a naive, obnoxious manchild, but he never deserves to be doxxed by the haters who always cared for memes. Just because he did a terrible job of his content, it doesn't mean he's a criminal or something. Memes lost its popularity or potential over time, and got milked for long by memers. And BTM was often a scapegoat for "killing off memes" which it's not really his intentions, but his real intentions: Explaining about the origins of memes. Period. (At least Lesson of Meme Culture did it better anyways)

At the end, he kinda lost his mojos after the "incident" and quit YouTube which he haven't uploaded for a long time since those "skits" are tasteless and cringeworthy. Sure, it's his fault for making wrong decisions of ranting 4Chan and faking his own death but it's justified that the haters are coming for him.

@Kaveh Shily He's not really a fool, he's pretty much of a victim who got surrounded by people who attacked him for doing something that is not wrong. He never did anything wrong aside from the crimes he already committed (aka faking his own death for the sake of attention like what the video discussed) so it was people who already did this themselves for successfully killed BTM, all because he's plagiarizing KnowYourMeme.com whereas memes already become a widespread phenomenon. The problem about the memes "dying" out is because it's repetitive and unfunny anymore so maybe a new meme can be created or discovered by either pop culture references or making any surreal context.

Should have? It has been a year. That is a massive understatement.

Not "good guy," but I'm glad that Empy finally has come around to agreeing with the detractors of his first video (and with me, much of his channel) that it was getting so cynical that it was illogical and not everyone who makes mistakes is a coniving money grubber.

He was never the good or bad, he was always the fool in this story.


Are you shiting me? Behind the Meme Rick-Rolled us? I thought he was legit depressed and I had heard that he had started putting cryptic messages and shit in his more recent videos. But he dooped us, and even if he had a good intention to raise awarness for suicide, he still made most of us think that he was actually in trouble, and I was actually ready to emotionally support him, despite the fact I hated him before. But now I'm even more confused on what I should do. Ima take your advice, Emp, and leave him alone. Outta sight, outta mind.

Oh he was legit depressed. He even said so in the follow-up.

@Miss Kobe Yoshi He runs that account? I didn't realize.

He has a 2nd account called daily does of internet that actually gets views and money....... Don't even think he is the sorry sad puppy.

What we need to do is to just kinda step away from all this and let him be

At face value they are kind of convincing (until the OTT ass suicide ending that just seemed tasteless), so I can't fault people for being concerned. I personally immediately knew they were fake, but that's just cause i've seen the exact same pattern happen so many times already with other channels that it seems to be turning into some sick clickbait trend.

In case you haven't heard of these, these are some notable recent examples of the same pattern: Mcjuggernuggets "killing" his dad in one video, then days later making an explanation that for the past few years his vlogs were completely scripted (which was actually justified since he is a well known sketch artist); KSI going completely radio silent on his channel for a few months, sometimes making vague statements on Twitter, before revealing it all to just be a promotion for his new single; singer Patrice Wilson making super cryptic, unsettling livestreams for a while before revealing they were "symbolic" of how bad he felt from all the hate, etc. etc. etc.

Honestly it's not getting any more convincing with someone like Behind the Meme doing it now. I bet Leafy will do the exact same thing soon.


Looking back at this video and realising, that Emp basically says that BehindTheMeme isn't evil but just really stupid and incompetent


Tbh, I never genuinely cared about what the guy was actually doing, that's why I didn't even know about these videos from him.
I'm guessing he was preparing this for a while and thought he was doing something that would get people to appreciate his efforts and also support a cause but it came out bad.
It's a very responsible act from you to make this video, not only to shield him from the outrage but to correct yourself.
Although Whatever he decides to do with his channel at this point probably won't be taken seriously anyway.


I have crazy respect for you, Emp. Thanks for being a really good voice of reason despite everything.


Thanks for giving your two cents. Some people find it easier to just ride the hate train. You're good people for helping to correct that mentality.


There's always more than one possibility for anything. When the one of the stereotype doesn't behave like the rest, you gotta think a bit more about their character/personality and tendencies, not just the obvious [possible] goals they may have


It's funny how one of the only youtubers that has genuine good intentions is one of the most hated.


In hindsight, I don't really feel as though Behind the Meme was just making his videos for money. I mean, most of his videos were under 10 minutes, so he couldn't have gotten much ad revenue from those videos in the first place. I legit feel as though he was just a normal guy that never even wanted to be this popular. Just imagine yourself running a small YouTube channel where you just make poorly edited videos, and suddenly one of your videos becomes really popular. How would you act? You have no prior experience with being put in the spotlight, so you will quickly be seen as somebody without any talent that has gotten known by sheer luck. This is the exact situation that Behind the Meme found himself in.

I don't actually feel as though EmpLemon has caused BTM to get all of this negative attention, though. If he didn't make his video addressing BTM, people would quickly realize how repetitive his videos were, and somebody else would have made a video similar to EmpLemon's.

In a way (at least in my opinion), it's similar to how EmpLemon became popular with The Uncredibles back in the days when he still made YTPs. He made them for fun - not for ad revenue, but then he suddenly became popular in his genre (essentially overnight) and people started hating on him because of it.

I think pyrocynical may have had something to do with it


Honestly, I never really thought of him as a bad person. Sure, the suicide awareness tactics aren't much better than Logan Paul's stunt at the start of 2018, but I never felt like he deserved the mockery and derision he was getting and it would have been much better to maintain civility in cases like this. Largely the reason why when I made a now-unlisted (but mirrored if you're interested) commentary on TheMysteriousMrEnter, I made it a point not to antagonize him too harshly, as he is a rational-minded person regardless of what I think of him.

Humility is but a path to being a better YouTuber.

Brainulator9, you're possibly the most rational person I've seen in the entire comments section of YouTube.

Yeah I really dont understand why people hated him so much in the first place. Yes his videos were poorly research and kinda ehh, but that's no reason just to go bash some guy say shitty stuff, there just damn memes of all things.


This whole thing went full circle. It could be a cool story for a book or movie

A nice person getting destroyed by people that see his actions as despicable, but then one of his actions cause their view of him to turn around and be renembered as a guy who tried his best to make others happy. Sounds like the perfect drama


This would never have happened if people tried to genuinely help him, as in actual help not insults.


What I can take away from this is: Separate his Videos from the guy himself. First Impressions definitely count, he didn't make that go well, but then there is redemption. Redemption is BTM's last hope to be better, and I will just leave him in peace.

I looked BTM up the other day. He hasn't uploaded since 2018.


You both are very similar. It is like naval sailors picking each other up after the ship is sunk. They, like you, have a common respect for these very similar people


For those who didn't fully watch.
TL;DR
Behind the meme had good intentions, executed poorly.


The internet completely broke him

This is what cancel culture could do to someone


warning long comment AND not positive towards EmpLemon. There’s a TLDR at the end

I love Behind The Meme
I don’t care if he made mediocre videos about the  “holy memes” and everyone had to defend them.

I enjoyed his content. The videos where he was pretending to slowly kill himself scared me, even though it was kinda obviously fake. But just because it was fake didn’t mean he didn’t feel that way sometimes.

Like, I’m a little weakling and get emotionally attached to things easily.
Watching a video about someone bashing on this man doing what he loved made me sad and angry that he was getting hate.
Then suddenly he just stopped uploading and I got sad I couldn’t watch his content anymore.
I was there since the beginning and I watched him disappear.

Definitely made me have an angry, unwavering bias towards you, EmpLemon. I just hope people stop hating on him. Not a single person is perfect at all. Everyone has a flaw.

BehindTheMeme legit is like “Lol look at this picture. I wanna know more about it! Lemme tell everyone about the history of this picture”

Also, why is no one seeing that this man is gonna be a SAVIOR in the future when kids have to study and research memes for history class? Like he’s going to have a full video, full of not too distracting stuff telling them about the meme?

TLDR: Please don’t hate of BehindTheMeme. I kinda have a negative bias towards EmpLemon. BehindTheMeme is a cool guy who’s going to help kids with meme research in 100 years

Edit: his last video wasn’t the best but it kinda just goes to show he is sorta not knowing what he’s supposed to do to fit in

*warning long comment AND not positive towards EmpLemon. There’s a TLDR at the end*

I love Behind The Meme
I don’t care if he made mediocre videos about the  “holy memes” and everyone had to defend them.

I enjoyed his content. The videos where he was pretending to slowly kill himself scared me, even though it was kinda obviously fake. But just because it was fake didn’t mean he didn’t feel that way sometimes.

Like, I’m a little weakling and get emotionally attached to things easily.
Watching a video about someone bashing on this man doing what he loved made me sad and angry that he was getting hate.
Then suddenly he just stopped uploading and I got sad I couldn’t watch his content anymore.
I was there since the beginning and I watched him disappear.

Definitely made me have an angry, unwavering bias towards you, EmpLemon. I just hope people stop hating on him. Not a single person is perfect at all. Everyone has a flaw.

BehindTheMeme legit is like “Lol look at this picture. I wanna know more about it! Lemme tell everyone about the history of this picture”

Also, why is no one seeing that this man is gonna be a SAVIOR in the future when kids have to study and research memes for history class? Like he’s going to have a full video, full of not too distracting stuff telling them about the meme?

TLDR: Please don’t hate of BehindTheMeme. I kinda have a negative bias towards EmpLemon. BehindTheMeme is a cool guy who’s going to help kids with meme research in 100 years

Edit: his last video wasn’t the best but it kinda just goes to show he is sorta not knowing what he’s supposed to do to fit in

Ignorance, Fraud and Insecurity are terrible... BehindTheMeme is gruesome and EmpLemon is just orthodox, who now feels sympathetic. It is like a mediocre EU4 player essaying to explaining PhD economics, it is poor and fake.


FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZED
BehindTheMeme always did the videos from heart, in fact his very first video was made because he wanted people to know the origins of Harambe after seeing others not catching up with the joke.
He has been one of the most genuine YouTubers every and received stupid hate just for explaining jokes, or teaching where they came from.
He always said that he had a great love for making videos so when the series came out it was obviously fake. After all, in every video in the series the description was always in third person.


Did we just find a dead meme in a suicide forrest?

Was that logan paul's video or btm video?

@N'gasta Kvakis it's a place fir rest (badum tsss)

Except Emp didn't laugh about it like how Logan Paul did when he found the dead body.

haha get it???

beca because logan and haha
and the forest situation

funny & relevant xD!

@PaneledPear6555 Look, man, it had one like when I replied.

Walked in the woods. Found a dead meme found a dead meme

Meme Insider hey buddy you’re almost 10 months too late

Suicide? You mean the Pewdiepie meme genocide forest?

A Meme Insider comment with one like? What a rare occurance.


Thanks emplemon. You're a good example of believing people have good intentions, even though you weren't at first, but thanks for expressing yourself.


I'm so genuinely glad that you have decided to share your opinions on some of these things


It's very hard for genuine truths to come out nowadays, a long time ago we could had been much much more trusting, now it's just a coin toss to even trust ur family, what a cruel world


Normally I just have a vague interest in the people I follow,<br>but you, you earned my respect

Normally I just have a vague interest in the people I follow,
but you, you earned my respect


You only just now realized that he's a naive guy with good intentions?  I've been trying to tell people that for years


Had to like this because realizing a mistake you made is something I had to do recently, and it hits me because it takes a lot to do that, so much respect Emp. This is what I sub for


It seems that you forgot the most important part: "why talk about depression?". It's pretty obvious that he actually was depressed, and thought about killing himself, that being the whole reason behind that series of videos. People cope with depression in very different way, some being almost unable to do anything because "why bother" and some others turn their depression onto creative drive. It may seem like a bad series because he is not really going to kill himself, looking like he's mocking us, but what he really is doing is say in a public manner that he really was having real suicidal thoughts, and this was his way of coping with the depression (which he actually told in the explanation video, that you don't really seem to have seen, nice).
The videos are not even bad, and, are extremely genuine from a subject wise standpoint. He really nails the mentality tied with depression, showing his actual understanding of it.

So yes, his videos were bad, but this last series was genuinely well made, and showed the deep thoughts of BTM as a person, thing that he actually tells in his explanation of the whole series (have you even seen it before making this video?).
As your first video bashing him, this one is mediocre at best. You have great content, but failing to understand the point of the whole video shows that you didn't even tried to understand what BTM was talking about. In general, you say that he supposedly kills himself and the suicide attempt sounds fake, no shit sherlock, and supposedly that makes the videos bad.
You turn the whole narrative in your favor, from a guy's depression coping method to supposedly a guy that wanted attention by making videos of him faking his death because he just wanted attention.
You first send an army of mindless followers that end up doxing him and shitting all over his content because "ugh normie, my memes, ugh look at me I'm not a normie but he is and normies are bad, look at me I know memes because I went to 4chan once in my life haha I'm such a troll", ending up with the guy in question entering a depression, to reappear time after by making light of that subject matter, just to get the same guy that caused it to turn the narrative in his favor and making look like the bad guy in this whole story.

Seriously EmpLemon, you have good content, even great content, so why do you not put as much effort in videos of this style as you do in your good content? You can do better than not understand the point of a series of videos, bash the person who created it (again) because you didn't understand the point of it, make the creator the "bad guy" while talking with an attitude of superiority (which was an attitude also present in the first BTM video).


Im right there with you. Sometimes have good intentions, however their actions seem to be taken, we can have some level of empathy. Yet people will take a closer look at him now to see if hes fake or not, so hes not completely dissolved for his clueless actions. I dont hate him but hes got a strike 1 for me. Great content and commentary Emperor.


To quote your LeafyIsHere video, "You build up an entire channel, an entire audience doing one thing, and then you just go ahead and do a completely different thing."

Every time I think of the current state of BTM, I always keep this in mind, because a major reason why  his videos keep on getting hate these days is because the enough is enough video. Now, all of a sudden, BTM's videos about "depression" blew up, and considering the guy's history, many of his enemies won't take him kindly anymore.

Then, all of a sudden, you made a video defending him, mostly because of his incompetence. While most people, myself included would agree, I had the feeling that the ten-year olds wouldn't, and they would still keep on shitting on him and maybe ignore this video, hell, maybe even get pissed on you switching sides.

Let's not forget that you didn't hate BTM, he just needs to do a better job.

also why does this remind me of zero's death in megaman x5

To quote your LeafyIsHere video, "You build up an entire channel, an entire audience doing one thing, and then you just go ahead and do a completely different thing."

Every time I think of the current state of BTM, I always keep this in mind, because a major reason why  his videos keep on getting hate these days is because the enough is enough video. Now, all of a sudden, BTM's videos about "depression" blew up, and considering the guy's history, many of his enemies won't take him kindly anymore.

Then, all of a sudden, you made a video defending him, mostly because of his incompetence. While most people, myself included would agree, I had the feeling that the ten-year olds wouldn't, and they would still keep on shitting on him and maybe ignore this video, hell, maybe even get pissed on you switching sides.

Let's not forget that you didn't hate BTM, he just needs to do a better job.

-also- -why- -does- -this- -remind- -me- -of- -zero's- -death- -in- -megaman- -x5-


Nice to see there's a genuine dude under all those memes


In this day and age it's important to remember the aphorism of Hanlon's razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"


Genuinely so happy to see Emp feeling bad for behind the meme, I was never much of a fan but didn’t hate btm but I really wanted to see Emp be defending someone as well as calling them out


Wow. Wow. I want to be like both of you. I want to be genuine, honest and motivated by fun and passion in videos. I want to be able to correct myself, and be humble. I want to be patient, and think. Both of you guys are awesome. This video has taught me this.


From the sounds of it he was trying to make the viewer see how bad depression could get

I haven't seen the video's but I always liked him he was happy and just wanted to know the history of memes and share it with people


@Fancy Pepe I am a Normie and I have even found EMP Lemon. We are taking over.

@Fancy Pepe You really sound aggressive to talk bravely but you're not wrong anyway. Most of the people with little to average IQ always wanted to seek out for something greater out of their expectations. But they realized that all of their expectations are nothing but lies because they are crossing in the wrong path -- a road to hopelessness. They believe that they're smart but all of their knowledge are nothing but illusions, so they wasted their whole lives trying to work out on something greater, but they did this the wrong way. Blaming on people who are successful and normal like a human being. Although, everything what humans did is not about what they did or what they actually experienced in the past, it's not about men chasing a ball for 90 minutes or getting bullied by the society for the way they look or the way they feel. IT'S THEM! They foolishly did themselves for the sake of their personal gains. For the "normies", they should take some responsibilities and improve their potential as humans. Not everyone is perfect but not everyone can be awful, too. Pathetic people like SJWs have a sad life because they are failures who got so jealous of someone's success that they wanted to ruin everything to get their opportunity. It's like a greedy miner looking for gold to catch but after taking every risk, he finds out that the gold doesn't exist and he died when it turned out that he went to the wrong cave.

After all, these people failed as a human being.

@Mortchen Oh it was definitely political back then as well. That's just something that won't end until the human race is gone.

And this is why the term "normies" will never truly die, it resonates with our reality in a way that will never leave it truly outdated, there will always be people who live just to follow others into the grave, and people who want to be free to be their own individual selves without being harassed by perfect serfs for not being part of the herd following the shitty soundcloud rapper/pornstar gone famous/obnoxious people pandering to kids shepherds and will naturally feel repelled by people collectively wasting their entire potential by revering pure mediocrity making bank off their emotional baggage.

Don't even get me started on billions of people watching some grown dudes run around a field chasing a ball for 90 minutes, 85 of them just passing a ball to each other and call it entertainment, if a movie had the same people doing the same shit over and over again interspersed only by fleeting moments of real action that would be a 1/10 box office bomb, yet they get real sensitive when you try to tell them exactly what they're actually mindlessly doing and how much of a waste of life that seems, they get really upset for finding that out... but they don't seem to change, maybe they don't now what else to do and they'll just wallow in mediocrity for the rest of their lives to the grave, forever watching athletic dudes living their dream and getting paid and laid while their (in comparison) sad pathetic asses get fatter and fatter, get into unfulfilling marriages and whatever else bad ideas they can come up with just because someone else is. Not even doing the thing that they're watching clearly more successful people doing, because you're just that pathetic. Or following some pathetic rolemodel like some fake gangsta or some bimbo with plastic everything and the epitome of fakeness. Don't want to sound like an edgelord or anything but the more you think about it in depth, from an impartial view the sadder and meaningless it all becomes. Who said humans were anything special? The ones that made all the amazing tech we use and take for granted are and all the advancements for us are, and we're just being carried by them, but 99 out of 100 are just coasting in life, with nothing truly special or meaningful to do.

@Mortchen I'm just gonna say it... NORMIES RUINED THE GODDAMN INTERNET!

Y'all noticed when "normies" (aka people who live according to whatever is popular regardless of its quality or having any substance at all) had a regular use for the internet (facebook and all that vapid brainless shit) mainstream and online culture started going into a DOWNWARD SPIRAL?

Yep fam I said it, the sheep majority ruin everything that thrives on individuality by imposing their vapid values on everyone else by power of sheer numbers, quantity over quality being the defacto rule of law versus quality... and you get mediocrity and just a shitty way of doing things, a broken system in general for people.

You're welcome for the EmpLemonesque analysis of modern society and what sped up its downfall.

@Mr. Spectacals It wasnt as sad back then because you were younger, or it is probably that case for me

@Mr. Spectacals The world has always sucked. It is just more easily heard of now.

I miss the late 2000s and early 2010s, where everything wasn't so political and people weren't so judgemental and hateful. I used to feel like the internet could be a safe haven for me to truly be myself. Goddamn people ruin everything.

+Jaxon Moreno Eh. According to Prince we were supposed to die after 1999.

Mr Spectacals because we all died in 2012 remember

I miss the early 2010s in general. I don't remember the world being this sad of a place now.


the dude went on a downward spiral

as a person who suffers from depression and has tried suicide (and failed), i think its pretty fucked up from him to do that shit.


Thank you so much, Emplemon. It is nice to see all of us admitting our mistakes in our pasts. You are better than most youtubers with admitting your mistakes. Thank you..


Not alot of people have the heart to defend the person that they opposed, this is a person that has my loyalty


Even though he's a bit naive, Behind the meme didn't do it for fame and money. I respect him for that

He monetized his stefan karl tribute video....

Wubbulous67 that’s why he monetized his rip Robbie rotten video

Ehhhhhhhh, I don't know about that chief. But I don't think we will ever know. I choose to think he's a bit dense. So being dense can explain either side of the argument. Both aeguments are stupid. "He did it for fame." "No he did it to raise awareness but did it in a stupid way."

Yea, both arguments aren't that good.


You're a good guy, Emp. Really. That took stones. Thanks for setting us all a good example!


for all the hate he's just a normal good dude, he got way to much hate and didn't deserve all the hate, he just loved teaches us about memes and now because he's gotten so much hate that is ruined now that happiness is gone


This is just unethical , for the first time in my live I'm just speechless , I think by actually showing compassion here you are doing the right choice emperor


You really could have worded this better. You basically spent a third of the video calling him stupid, not enough time talking about your responsability in this situation.


Wow.
The BehindTheMeme video was the first thing of yours I ever watched, and to see you defend him...
This is actually rather inspiring.
Good on you EmpLemon, setting a great example for internet shitlords of all kinds.


All of this because the meme community harshly dehumanized on him on the first place. Only if the haters hadn't been so blinded by this pointless and ignorant war on "normies", all of this could've been avoided. The innocent and apparently clueless entertainer that was behind that channel is finally showing up now,  unfortunately in the worst way possible; but it's about time we apologize.


I love the fact that if something DID happen to BTM, emp was gonna be blamed, as if all of his fans were mind controlled by ya boy with no free will and decision making skills of their own.


Thank you. This is what I've thought the whole time. We really should spare people with good intentions from hate and save it for actual bad people. I never really believed he killed memes anyway.


We gotta remember that he <i>is</i> a human no matter what he does

We gotta remember that he _is_ a human no matter what he does

kremit the frog actually i want to change that, Jimmy Savile was human, both BehindTheMeme and Jimmy Savile made shitty shows to lure children to them.

Mark Mckenna I understand that, but according to society’s moral codes, he is “evil”. Being human isn’t a excuse.

Im only human after all
Im only human after all
dont put the blame on me.

@Cosmic Memer Well Hitler and people like him, have there reasons for doing bad, and he was doing it to benefit Germany (he just did it using irrational means). And some people do bad things because of mental health issues.

Hitler was also human

Rapist are also human

But he only killed memes, and its not as bad as the first 2 examples. If anything just move on and forget about his content and what he did, and if he really has depression then the most anyone can do is direct him and his loved ones to professional care.

Have a nice day.

Man’s desperate for attention after losing his channel. He got fame, because his content looked promising. But he got arrogant and lazy, like a lot of us, and gave up on improving his content to keep an audience via quantity. I can see why he reacted this way, and I hope he recovers from this. (Him as a person, not the meme review videos. They can burn in a bonfire for all I care).

@Thundaga The worst that it does is messing with the meme economy, but it's not as important as the actual economy.

kremit the frog Queue “Human After All” by daft punk

What did he do again? Allegedly kill memes? They're just memes, at the end of the day. What he's been doing isn't worthy of the calibur of hatejerk against him.

I enjoy memes in an ironic sense, and I respect the meme community, but people take things a little too far when it comes to memes.

Ok so I actually really love everything about this analysis and response

Oh hi, just saw you in that just2good vid

Eh, who gives a shit.

Edit: Actually, you’re right, he’s still a person, who has feelings. Even though he’s one of the worst channels on YouTube, and he’s killed multiple memes, he is still a person.


It was surprising to see you defend him, even after the video. I can respect that.

And it's on this note that I have to say, this video can somewhat exonerate you from Leafy's fate. Through this, you've proven you are willing to accept your mistakes and GROW as a person, something Leafy never did.


I always knew BTM meant good. That’s why I stuck with him through it.


Behind the meme should see this video. I know for a fact that he would cry in jot because you actually forgave him. Like dam this video was pretty deep.


honestly, i seriously have to appreciate you making this. most youtubers just wouldn't give the slightest of care to other users.


Every video you put out deserves a clap. I always feel like it needs more than a like.


I also start to feel sorry for my opponent when I win this hard in an argument.


Major respect for EmpLemon that was really mature of you, man. I love your videos I love how you’re defending the guy even though his videos may be corny!


on one hand, behind the meme is a shithead who deserves to be bashed on but on the other hand we all on the internet understand how it feels to be bashed to oblivion. I could never defend the actions btm did but I do relate with the constant hate and do feel sorry for him. The thing that makes me feel better about this however is the idea that he put this on himself. Sure you could argue that Anthony is in the fault by calling him out thus starting this whole ordeal but it wasn't really Anthony or Emp's videos about btm that killed him, it was btm's response videos that killed him. If he got off his soap box and actually tried to take the criticism given to him and improved apon himself, then he would have had no where near the conflict that still stands today. My philosophy is online, you can't hide from criticism and you can't deny it and why should you! Criticism has always been about how you could improve yourself. I don't think all the hate that btm got was valid criticism however he did receive some and did nothing to improve himself with it. I know that the internet won't give him a second chance but if he were to somehow get that shot at redemption, I hope he tries to improve himself instead of what he did last time. Emp I hope you have a wonderful day and I hope this doesn't give you a hard time.  And for the people who are confused saying I support btm, I don't I hated him just like everyone else, I just would like to see him try to redeem himself.


No earrape gotcha at the end? Just a heartfelt opinion?

Damn emp, I didn't see this coming.


Emplemon is having an upward spiral for once


He actually digged his own grave by accident. Bravo Behind The Meme Bravo.


I just hope he found something out of the YT bubble and that hes doing great at it.


It took like 2 years for you guys to realize he's an okay guy. Getting mad at someone who just makes meme reviews with no harmful intentions?


if that's the case, then i just feel bad for the guy, because half the internet just got sicced on him, and being the dummy that he is, he's just gonna dig himself an internet grave.


"It took me a year-and-a-half to realize that I was wrong." better than never <3