I know it's already debunked. But there are 2 inconsistencies I've just realized that you've never mentioned in your Discord's Origins video...
1: Why would Starswirl want to spread chaos? It wouldn't make sense. Unless if he accidentally cursed himself. He is into making spells, but why would he make an attempt to conquer over Equestria?
2: Since his magic allows him to do anything, why can't he just went back to his original form as a pony? If Discord can change his appearance like in the episode three's a crowd he turned himself blue to see if Twilight still trusts him, or in the return of harmony episode where he turned himself into a butterfly to make and "attempt" to corrupt Fluttershy. He can just change back into himself as Starswirl and pretend the change didn't happen and research himself on private to not worry anyone.
To be honest, I really disliked Star Swirl's characterization in that Season 7 finale. His personality, actions, and character all made no sense from the little we heard about him in myths and legends.
Plus, he was the probably the most hyped up character in MLP and his return was so unbelievably underwhelming. What they did with Star Swirl in the show was one of the biggest wasted opportunities I've ever seen in the show.
This is a good theory, however I recommend reading up on the novelization of "The Journal of the Two Sisters" by Little, Brown. The two sisters were inaugurated as the princesses of equestrian shortly after the events of Hearthswarming Eve and were personally selected by Starswirl the Bearded. I'm not saying that it's not possible for Discord to be Starswirl the Bearded, but I am saying that based on what officially canonized facts we have on hand the transformation took place much later. In fact the journal stops before any of their canonized conflicts with Sombra, Tirek, or Discord. So if the transformation did take place, it most likely did so some time after they stopped writing in the journal. If I were to take a guess I'd say it happened after the defeat of Sombra but before Discord officially began to fool around with Equestria. And jumping into headcanon territory for a moment, I'd say it's linked directly or indirectly to the unfinished spell from the Season 3 Finale Episode 13 "Magical Mystery Cure". The only real wrench in the cog would be the fact that Tirek and Scorpan (much as daHunter3000 stated) came to Equestria after Discord's incarceration in stone. That doesn't mean there isn't a possibility it just means that there is some mystery shrouding it that makes it difficult to say with 100% certainty.
While this theory seems good, I do have to bring up one point. Celestia said Starswirl did not understand friendship like Twilight did. Celestia never said he didn't have friends.
I think Discord was one of those winter-making horse things(from hearths-warming eve), but Star-Swirl was making a different spell that makes physical appearances change. Never mind, I was trying.🐴
The phrase "long before" implies more than a few decades. At minimum, it would most likely be 50 years, or an Earth-time equivalent. Note that Clover is the STUDENT of Starswirl. This means that Starswirl must have been an adult by the time of Equestria's founding, plus the time added by Spike's narration and the time that Starswirl would need to make himself immortal and I have to ask, how long would this guy have lived before becoming immortal? Frankly, I'm not convinced he could have been alive long enough to become Discord before dying of old age.
Not to mention that turning himself into Discord via a spell that shuffles other people's destinies around seems far-fetched to me and the sheer difficulty one would have just making an immortality spell.
I wouldn't mind this theory being true. It would definitely add a layer of feels to Discord's reformation and Celestia's reasoning for wanting to reform him, assuming Celestia was around/young at the time that Star Swirl existed and/or was...well, maybe not friends but on good terms with him.
There's so much fanfiction that could spring forth from these ideas if it doesn't already exist.
This theory would also explain the whole"a thousand years ago, everything went to crap under the sisters due to villains and dealing with them is postponed untill later" trope. Maybe, because Discord was still Starswirl on the inside, he used his powers to hold other threats to Equestria at bay, similar to the second season of Gurren Lagann. Then, the inexperienced sisters who have yet to fully realize their potential and don't completely understand the Elements, deal with everything Discord was holding back because he isn't around to do it for them. Maybe that is the true reason Celestia wanted to reform Discord. She realized the truth and decided it would be in Equestria's best interest to bring back and re purpose the force that once kept it safe from foreign threats before the sisters. After all, if your kingdom is your playground, you wouldn't want mean neighbors strolling by and trashing it when you're having so much fun there, right?
Okay, so I totally just had a thought about the whole "John de Lancie doesn't know who Starswirl is" bit. Assuming he's not being deceptive there is a way this could be true. While if season 5 is being made you would expect him to know, what if the story of Starswirl isn't in this season or even the next? What if the MLP movie will involve Star Swirl/Discord's backstory? Think about it. The movie's probably in some pretty early stages as far as production goes, or if not it was at the time this was made nearly 20 months ago. While the writers did have this idea, Lancie was not debriefed on this because he had not yet been called in to employ his talents on the voice acting part.
Oh man. I just made myself even more hyped for a movie that won't be out in...what is it...TWO YEARS?!
I think that when Starswirl was turned into discord, he was kept concealed: by the princesses or otherwise, and then ponies just remembered him as the wonderful and noble magician who one day wondered off. No one knowing that instead of just leaving and never coming back, he was transformed into the mismatched creature-soon to be known as discord.
The thing i we have NEVER been told that a pony CAN actually change their appearance so much that they become another being.
Take Nightmare Moon, Luna may have become her BUT Nightmare was STILL a pony
Twilight, she became an alicorn princess but all she had added to her was a pair of wings.
The Siren's were changed into humans because they were sent to the human world (just like Twilight is changed when she goes to the human world)
There is NOWHERE that is stated that some personality spell (or anything else) can CHANGE the actual form of a pony without, at least, their very form, staying the way it is (as I said, like with Luna) so Discord being Star Swirl and Star Swirl being Discord makes no sense at all. We were told Discord was a Draconequus and whilst he has the head of a pony that means nothing for a few reasons and one being that he is in a world that is run by ponies as the dominant species so yes, he would have a pony aspect about him somewhere but in that same regard he also has a claw of a dragon, an antler and wings as well.
Also, there is also the fact that the spell Twilight read out changed the DESTINIES of her friends NOT their personalities, we just saw them in bad situations where they were not showing their real personalities but if you sat down Rarity you may have seen her be interested in fashion if you were talking to her over a muffin or talking to Fluttershy in the spa and see she loves animals. If you sat them down in normal situations where you could just chat away then how do you know that they wouldn't tell you what they REALLY wished they wanted to do but couldn't for obvious reasons?
So yes, I don't think Star Swirl is Discord and Discord is NOT star Swirl, because not only for the above that I said but because this is Twilight, she is a MASSIVE bookworm, heck, she probably is the queen of books, if this was lost to pony history SHE would of read up about it somewhere, maybe not a lot, but she would of seen hints or something that maybe would have stopped her to question something only to do some more digging, remember what Celestia said to her back in the first episode of season 1? She had to get out of the library and make friends, meaning, she LIVED in the library! It seemed like that unless she went out for 5 minutes of fresh air or got something to eat she never left the library and she was in Canterlots library, one of the biggest libraries in the land, so if she didn't pick up a single hint, no matter how small, from all the books she had read then I can't see Discord and Star Swirl being one in the same she she still loves Star Swirl for the pony he is.
@Chloe Gilson Breezies are still technically ponies, they are smaller ponies with longer legs (but then Celestia has longer legs also then a normal pony so...) but they just have antennae and more fairy sort of wings so once again, still pony form (a different sort of pony look about them but they could still be classed as a sort of pony and thus they haven't actually changed from a pony into a cow or a donkey or something, the essentially are still ponies even if they are tiny.
@TheLostLenore How about when Fluttershy turned into that horrifying bat/pony hybrid? I think the only reason she didn't transform to the same extent as Discord is because Twilight reversed the spell before it could get to that point. Also I think it's important to note that Twilight seemed to accidentally cast the spell on the ELEMENTS OF HARMONY... not her friends. That did have some physical changes. And, being so connected to their Elements, it explains why it would screw with their destinies so much.
+TheLostLenore We actually don't have any proof that the spirit that took over Luna was a pony in the first place. Since we don't know how it came to be. Only a rough idea of what it becomes when it inhabits another pony's body like Luna's.
The only problem is that now Starswirl is back in Equestria. But lets not dissmiss this theory. We all know that Starswirl can make a time travel spell to be in two places at once. Maybe that's what he used to be discord while he was in Limbo. Also, random question. Does anyone else think that Starswirl looks insanely similar to Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter, or is that just me?
So if this toes in with Twilight being Clover The Clever, then Discord is Twilights mentor at some point in the timeline. You know what? This actually supports that theory since Twilight looks up to Starswirl and would want to be taught by him by going into the past. Then she decides to live in the past as Clover and eventually witnesses Starswirl's accidental transformation. And this also explains why he wasn't shunned from society, because Clover would have taken measures to keep it a secret. Of course, this is assuming that Clover stayed with Starswirl, and whether she did is up for debate.
I generally consider Discord to be CREATED by Starswirl- then again, I have a complex headcanon that G4 is the distant, post-apocalyptic future of G1.5 and that magic REALLY did exist in that time, but it kept itself hidden. Starswirl was like Sunset Shimmer, and Celestia was one of his only friends- in this time, Alicorns were actually more common than pegasi, and Changelings were more or less part of Unicorn society. Starswirl was a bit of a mad scientist, and his special talent was trickery/bluffing, but he was rather smart. When he was a colt, Starswirl discovered he was destined to end the world, and thus got interested in changing destinies. He created Discord as an artificial biological intelligence, and Discord ultimately sent the world into chaos. Starswirl fled underground, having already discovered his own way to immortality. Celestia and Luna defeated Discord using the Elements of Harmony, and, prevent keep the ponies of Equestia safe, Celestia and Luna decide to keep the truth a secret. Discord's powers left Celestia and Luna the only alicorns, and Celestia's actual special talent is leadership- inspiring others to stand with her, whilst Luna's true one is prophecy, but they're keeping up a lie so that nopony finds out the truth and gets hurt like before. Celestia didn't want her friends (Starswirl, Clover, Cookie, and Hurricane) who lead to Discord's creation to be remembered in a negative light, as they were still her friends, so she decided to honor them alongside her friends that helped her do good (Pansy and Platinum) as well as her and Luna's favorite dessert restaurant franchise as ponies who helped found Equestria in a story she and Luna made up. Also, Smart Cookie was Starswirl's little sister, and Starlight Glimmer is her descendent.
I highly doubted that Discord had any relation to Star Swirl, let alone be Star Swirl at first. I even believed this before the Season 4 finale. I honestly believe Discord and Star Swirl are two completely different individuals.
I love your theory! But i am not really sure about Discord (after being turned into Star Swirl) waited years and years and then decided to have some fun and take over Equstria. I think that it was more that after his form swiched he couldn't remember who he was before and got kind of kurupted. Like when Twilight's friends cutie marks swich by the same spell, they didn't remember the pony they were before, or that they had a different cutie mark before. And i think the same problem happened with Discord/Star Swirl! Like if you agree!!!😜
Just one question.... Howcould a personality swap spell end up changing someone's appearance? Mental spells I don't think could become a physical spell. If this happened to Star Swirl, then his personality would have changed, just like the mane six, not change him into a completely different species. If this is what happened, why didn't it happen to the mane six? Not to be rude, but I think your theory may have some plot holes in it, bro.
i think i remember discord created a spell to change shape or something. if he swapped his personality, giving him more powers, immortality and some sort of insanity, he most likely wouldve used this spell to adapt his form to his new personality. or the spell just happened to cast itself and changed him, and because he found it looked better he kept it or soemthing.
Actually, mental spells have become physical ones. Recall how Twilight and Fluttershy's attempt to make it so fruit vampire bats wouldn't eat the fruit resulted in Fluttershy basically changing species. Granted that may have been two magics working together but still.
@tetsiga45XxX You have some pointers, but I just don't think I can believe that Star Swirl the Bearded can be Discord. I'll respect your thoughts, though :{P
Like Tetsiga said, there are some instances where mental spells became physical ones in the show.
Maybe the spell he used switched him up as a sort of punishment or experiment gone wrong. I mean, look at what the spell did, it switched up the destinies of people, and when Twilight completed it she became an alicorn. Maybe Starswirl was trying to get more power by turning into an alicorn with that spell, but it went awry because it was worded wrong.
@tetsiga45XxX Really? I mean, yeah it's a bit weird that Celestia is in that celestial (huehue) plain along with Twilight, but she triggered the transportation and as far as I know the magic that turned her into an alicorn came from her body.
Still though, why else would Star Swirl need that spell? Like Celestia had said, he didn't understand friendship all that well, and it's safe to say that maybe he caused at least some sort of chaos when he casted his unfinished spell (if he ever did).
@Alma Martinez Notice she wasn't an alicorn when she was transported to the spirit plain. If the spell was meant to make somepony an alicorn I would think it would've happened instantly and not require a trip down memory lane.
@Jessie Pants Wellllll since he didn't have friends or anyone close to switch personalities with, I'm guessing the spell must have changed his appearance because if you think about it, the parts of the bodies to different things which would make it seem like personalities to be switched? I know this sounds weird but I don't even know anymore...I have a great feeling that his theory is right tho, because the proof provided connected all the links.
@Jessie Pants It didn't change their personalities though, just their cutie marks and probably memories associated with said marks. It could absolutely have changed Starswirl into a chaotic monster, because it caused chaos in the ponies.
@Jessie Pants It didn't change their personalities though, just their cutie marks and probably memories associated with said marks. It could absolutely have changed Starswirl into a chaotic monster, because it caused chaos in the ponies.
@Jessie Pants Well, maybe the Draconaquis.. Dradonoquis? I can't spell it, are ponies that are Evil and mischievous, or become that way, that were transformed into what discord is. His spell simply changed his personality to that of Evil and Mischief instead of one of Good and Order (I KNOW THIS GOS AGAINST MY OTHER THEROY! IT'S JUST A RESPONSE!).
+Jay D. A pony's cutiemark is their personality, it's who they are. When Discord took the mane 6's cutiemarks, they forgot who they were as a person and became someone else.
It's not even a hypothesis. Discord is the solitary example; you have no variables. In fact, you cannot prove that it happened to Discord for sure, so you just can't say it now.
@Jessie Pants The spell wasn't a personality swap as much as it was a swap of destinies. The Mane Six's personalities stayed exactly the same... The only difference is that they were trying to complete each others' roles.
Another point is that Twilight didn't directly cast the spell on her friends. I think she actually cast it on the Elements of Harmony by accident. Since the Mane Six are strongly connected to their respective Elements, I can see how that would screw up their cutie marks.
Also, if we think back to the episode "Bats!" when Fluttershy turned into that terrifying bat/pony hybrid... Her absorbing the desire shouldn't imply a physical change either. Perhaps it was her currently mentality that caused the transformation... and the very same thing could have happened to Discord.
If she cast it on the elements, then it switched the magic witch they were connected to, so when star swirl did it, it swapped his magic with the inverse- magic of chaos and discord..... hence creating discord.
@Jessie Pants I agree that a mental spell would not just become a physical spell otherwise the mane 6 would have swapped looks. also this theory is disproven by the book The Journal Of The Two Sisters. Read it and weep
@jewel jammer But what if he didn't have any friends to change? Remember, when Twilight cast the spell, it altered the Elements of Harmony. So we can probably assume that it was a spell to bring ponies together in harmony, right? However, Starswirl did not have any friends ("...because Starswirl did not understand friendship...") OR the Elements, so the spell could have affected him instead. Discord also did not understand friendship (until the Season 4 finale), and he is the epitome of disharmony. As for the issue of Discord being imprisoned while Starswirl was presumably around, what is one of Starswirl's (AND Discord's) specialties? Time travel. Twilight was "always" meant to be an Alicorn, right? That's why Celestia was always watching over her. So, with that logic, Starswirl was "always" meant to become Discord, effectively causing a time loop. A big question is, where is Starswirl now? Celestia never mentions his whereabouts, he is never seen (only mentioned in history books), and we know that he is proficient in time-travel. What if Starswirl turned into Discord, went back in time, and started the whole "Discord vs Celestia and Luna" business? This would cause the timeline to move forward. Somewhere in the timeline, Starswirl disappears. Unless it can be proven where Starswirl went, or if Starswirl shows up in a future episode, I'm sticking by the theory that Discord and Starswirl are the same being.
Considering the fact that Twilight was able to release her friends after she completed the spell, Discord most likely would've been reverted to his original state as Starswirl, also, when Starswirl was alive, there were not ponies who represented the elements, so when he messed up the spell, the elements themselves would just be switched. But this would mean that the elements today are different than the ones before Starswirl wrote the spell, and maybe time has caused equestria to adapt?
I was kind of hoping for this to be canon, but now after reading the comments, I think the pony of shadows theory is even better, because this would mean Star Swirl will not only turn up at some point in the show but also will he have his own personality... let's see what will be canon
the unfinished spell only changed the talents of the mane 6 through the elements of harmony but never physically changed the stones or elements and discord can change living creatures physically and mentally and in season 5 the antagonist for episodes 1 and 2 was an average unicorn that could take away a ponys cutie mark and talents altogether and if an average unicorn can do what the unfinished spell could it is very unlikely that the unfinished spell was what might have caused discord. my theory rests as someone stronger than starswirl came along and forced him to help him/her into making them stronger but instead caused them to mutate and go insane
I love that theory,but how do you explain that Tirek knew Discord as powerfull spirit of disharmony and at the same time his brother was befriending Starswil? And Discord didn't knew about Scorpans and Tirek broken relationship ? As long we not assume that whole Discords betrayal was set up...
I have a Theory. Knowing how Discord acts, I believe that, at least in a metaphorical way he is Chaos personnified. Knowing how Starswirled acted, we could say he worked a lot towards Order in Equestria. Could they be two opposite parts of the same force ? Perhaps then Discord would have appeared and disappeared following the same times as Star Swirl, potentially meaning that Star Swirl would resurface sooner or later.
Also I recently watched another review by Pony reviewing on the same subject and she brought up some good points also supporting this theory, which was that star swirled the bearded and discord both have the same yellow color magic as seen in "return of harmony" part 2 when discord is picks up applejack with his magic and also that they both have access to different dimensions as seen in "make new friends but keep discord" and "Rainbow Rocks" in the sirens backstory.
"Nothing in the show can prove this theory wrong" Well, ignoring that the entire basis for the theory is a vaguely interpreted hoax, just wait ~3 years for "Shadow Play" when we find out what happened to Star Swirl. That episode takes care of a lot of loose ends.
2:57 Yeah, I see how that might work..... Except you're acting like you know exactly how the magic would react if in a different situation than when Twilight cast it! Yes, it's a possible explanation. However, it could also target based on proximity as a fallback. Or, maybe it would pick its target(s) based on magic--if they have strong magic (like the Princesses or Starswirl). However, it doesn't have to do anything at all!
2:59-My thoughts on KimPossible's objection is that history is written by the victors. Celestia could have covered up Star Swirl's transformation into Discord choosing to remember Star Swirl for the pony that he was. It happened in Star Wars with Darth Vader.
Indeed. And she has done this before. Five times. That we know of. She has covered up, in order that we see them in the show: Nightmare Moon, Discord, Changelings, Crystal Empire, and Tirek and the land he comes from.
She has covered up many things before, why not the origins of Discord. But there is something else. Rewatch the part with Spike again. LOOOOOOOONG before Celestia. We don't actually know how long it was since Hearth Warming Eve, when Starswirl was alive, till Discord ruled. Nor how long he ruled for.
But we can count something. We know Celestia has ruled for at least 1001 years. When Spike says 'Long before' he is probably compairing 'long' to how long Celestia ruled. So it was say 100 years, would be 'just before' 1000 years, would be 'Not long before' and anything 1500+ would be 'Long before'.
We also don't know how old Starswirl is, how long a pony can live for or anything. He must be old tho, because eternal winter and war constantly doesn't give a Unicorn much time to make usefull spells for the ponies. Neither the moving to a new land and rebuilding everything from the ground up. Could have been 20-50 years, if not longer for everything to settle down enough for someone to go back to creating spells.
Too much time that we don't know about, where ANYTHING could have happened. But also, think of this. They SAY starswirl came from before Discord, but from what little we say of Discord's rule.... Well... I don't think people would be taking the time to write down the History. Discord could have ruled for 16548961321684895132106548431634471230314516346520 years, and no one would know. In that time I doubt History would have been saved and tucked away in some corner untouched by Discord at all.
Finally, here is something else to think about.... Writing the spell would only happen while he was working on it, or completed successfully. If it was a failure he wouldn't write the spell down. When Twilight 'completed' the spell, do you remember what Celestia said? The reason Twilight is not a princess? Celestia said: "She created NEW magic"
Who is to say Starswirl didn't also complete it and created new magic. But without friends that magic was wild and... Chaotic. Chaotic enough to control him, change him, and take him over completely, and didn't write down the 'completed' spell.
@***** And the theory of Starswirl being Discord was pretty much debunked by the origin story of Tirek, since Scorpan became friends with Starswirl while Celestia and Luna were in power, aka after Discord´s rule but before Nightmare Moon. This means that Discord and Starswirl cannot be the same person by the simple fact that Discord was frozen in stone with no ability to escape from it at the time that Scorpan and Tirek came along, and the meeting with scorpan and Starswirl happened.
@100aegir If the young unicorn in Tirek's backstory is Starswirl, then why did they only call him "a young unicorn" instead of "the legendary Starswirl the Bearded"? I don't think Celestia or Luna had ever known Starswirl while he was young. One must assume that he wasn't the only bearded unicorn in history.
@neorenamon I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that they actually said that he befriended some ponies (meaning multiple) and as they say that they show Scorpan and Starswirl the bearded befriending each other. Now, before you say "That could be any unicorn with a huge beard and wearing robes with stars on it", well not according to the show so far, as no one else has been shown to wear those clothes other then in tribute to starswirl the bearded.
@100aegir I'm aware this is old. I just want to give fresh perspective with more recent evidence. That could be the mage Meadowbrook, the pony Starlight claims made the Staff of Sameness.
@neorenamon I know this is really old, makes me wonder why I never got any notice of it till now, but there is something to think about.
In hearth warming eve, the events took place long before Celestia and Luna ruled...
And Tirek invaded while Celestia and Luna ruled...
However, that contridicts eachother, thanks to Starswirl!
When Tirek invaded, his brother was meant to have befriended a 'Young" starswirl, but in Hearth Warming Eve, it has Starswirl being old with Clover the Clever as his apprentice.
So how could Celestia and Luna have ruled, inprisoned Tirek, then 30-60 years later have it be 'Looooong' before their rule, and have all the tribes split and Equestria not even exist yet?
ps. My guess, they wanted to shoe horn him in somehow in the past, and didn't have an actual timeline of the past. So just... Stuck him there, without checking if it actually fits the lore.
Not to defend the bad writing, but in "The Diary of the Two Sisters" light novel,
SPOILER ALERT!!!
when Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks and took over the duties of raising the sun and moon, Starswirl aged backwards. IIRC, unicorns that took on the duties of raising the sun and moon aged faster. I believe having Luna and Celestia taking over restored Starswirl to his actual chronological age (my theory).
what if discord was actually an egg (such as a embryo dragon) and was next to a few other undeveloped creatures that star-swirl had taken in, and befriended and used the spell meet them to figure out how to move their bodies in the right growth track, but ended up mixing them together, and discord emerged a while later?
To set the record straight, Celestia said that Star Swirl did not know friendship "like Twilight did". This means that he may have had friends (or more likely, close acquaintances). Also, many of his "friends" were most likely magical/non-magical creatures other than ponies with cutie marks (i.e. Scorpan, griffins, phoenixes, manticores, dragons, hydras, bats, birds, bears, etc.).
Now consider this, what if Star Swirl cast his incomplete spell and it started to effect the other magical/non-magical creatures he considered his "friends"? Griffins, phoenixes, manticores, dragons, hydras, bats, birds, and bears don't have cutie marks/destinies to switch around. What if it effected their personal, mental, and/or physical attributes instead (i.e. claws, fangs, scales, tails, wings, horns, longevity/re-birth, magic, etc.)? If Star Swirl saw this "magical accident" happening and then tried to step in to stop it, who's to say that he may not have been adversely effected by it too. The result: a creature with all of combined attributes of multiple magical/non-magical creatures and Star Swirl's vast magical knowledge and prowess (i.e. Discord). This "magical accident" could have drastically altered Star Swirl's mental state in the process, which would explain why Discord acts/thinks the way he does. However, if you look closely, most of Discord's actions to date have had some degree of impact on Twilight and her friends' ultimate destinies.
The reason why no pony ever made the connection between Star Swirl and Discord was because Celestia and Luna used their Princess authority to keep any pony from finding out (i.e. history is only written by the victors). Star Swirl was Celestia and Luna's mentor and friend, so of course they would want to protect his good name after Discord's "rampage". (1) Celestia and Luna quickly stop Discord's "rampage" by sealing him in stone by using the Elements of Harmony (ref: S4-E2). Star Swirl created the Tree of Harmony (and thus the Elements of Harmony, the magical mystery box, Twilight's castle, the magical map, etc.) and told Celestia and Luna about it and where to find it. In S4-E2, Celestia mentions part of this to Luna BEFORE they confront Discord! (2) Celestia and Luna set up the "traveling museum" of Star Swirl's adventures and positive exploits to remind the public of all of the great things he had accomplished. (3) Celestia and Luna could have easily commanded all ponies who may have witnessed Star Swirl's transformation into Discord to keep silent, and take the secret to their respective graves. Remember, this all happened over 1,000 years ago and before Luna was banished to the moon, so by the time Twilight and her friends were even born, none of the ponies who may have witnessed the event would still be alive (except for Celestia and Luna). (4) After Luna was banished to the moon, Celestia moved/rebuilt her castle in Canterlot, and dedicated an entire library/wing to Star Swirl. Keep in mind that the library/wing is shown to be guarded and (possibly) heavily restricted inside the castle. However, since Twilight is Celestia's apprentice, she was obviously granted access to the library/wing.
If you have any questions about this or my thoughts on where Star Swirl may have originated, please let me know. (Hint: the Elements of Harmony, the Tree of Harmony, and Twilight's Crystal Castle are your clues.)
Just a little more evidence: Starswirl's unfinished spell swapped around the Elements of Harmony. Seems an awful lot familiar to what Discord did in Return of Harmony. And Starswirl having no friends? Same with Discord.
I disagree, amd here is why: Star Swirl a Bearded must have known about the Elements of Harmony when he wrote the spell in Magical Mystery Cure. However, when Celestia and Luna went against Discord for the first time, he questioned what the elements were. If Discord was Star Swirl a Bearded in the past, he would have known what the elements were.
+TheBronyNotion I have a theory that Starswirl's spell actually swapped Celestia's and Luna's cutie marks, perhaps as well as his own body. The spell is supposed to change the elements of harmony, right? And Celestia and Luna were the carriers of the elements of harmony. It could explain part of why Luna went batshit evil over nobody appreciating the night: Because she wasn't really the one who was supposed to tend to it, and so nobody felt like it was good enough to cherish. Luna is also full of energy, much like the sun, while Celestia is always calm and quiet, like the moon. Luna takes a more direct approach to handling citizens, like the sun's direct rays, but Celestia is much more passive, like how the moon's position in the sky directs the ocean currents.
To disprove this (as much as I wish it were true) the journal of the two sisters was actually released as canon. One of the last entries indicates that Starswirl lost his magic upon attempting to lower the moon. It was at the same time that Luna and Celestia earned their cutie marks by discovering their own ability to raise and lower the moon and sun. This is show canon, not comic canon. So Starswirl lost his ability to use magic before Discord's arrival. It is much more likely that he died of old age. It also states that Starswirl was present for the princesses coronation.
That doesn't leave out the possibility that he may have attempted to regain his magic and became a draconequus in the process. After all, there are material forms of magic as Zecora well knows. The draconequus are known as a mysterious race. As far as we know, Discord is the only one of his kind. Lets say he became desperate... a (completely made up on the spot) legend held that one who drinks a brew comprised of a dragon's talon, a gryphon's claw, a Pegasus's feather, and a sea serpent's scale could attain the magical power of a god... at the cost of one's sanity. However, the ingredients, alone, shouldn't be enough... there is one relic of the past that holds promise, though. The alicorn amulet. Amplifies a ponies magic... maybe it was used as a catalyst to create this brew. The theory holds no ground in anything the show mentions aside from convenient items and dates, but it is an interesting thought that i can't think of an argument against as of yet.
I'm going to resay my theory because i missed some key elements that cause some disharmony in my mind. I believe that discord is star swirl and that star swirl is Luna's dad but not just that but he was the one who made the prophecies and helped Luna escape but was disguised as the stars. Reasons? Well clearly star swirl is not an alicorn or is he? He process the powers of alicorns with he banish people and have the ability to make holes into different dimensions which only someone of great power can do. Plus he would be hiding he wings though there is a picture of him lifting up his cape. But who else can send ponies into different dimensions? DISCORD! I do agree the star swirl accidentally made him self discord because he had no friends (he was hiding the fact that he was an alicorn) . Now moving on for why he is Luna's dad, in many picture of fan art we see Luna's and Celestia's parents, the dad was the night and mom day, and who was before the princesses, was powerful like the princesses and wears a cape with stars and moons on it and could possibly be an alicorn, STAR SWIRL! Now onto Luna's escape and the prophecies. My first thought was that he loved Luna and didn't know what she did so when he heard what happened he helped Luna escape but as the stars ( seeing that he might of been the first ruler of the night). And well being all powerful he watched what was happening and wrote them down and they soon became prophecies. But how did he time travel by 1000 years, the same way twilight did, i mean it is his spell, but when twilight did it, i pretty sure, she wasn't an alicon or powerful. But Star Swirl was. That's my theory, hope you had fun reading. <3
Personally I think that Discord is a natural force. His status as the SPIRIT of Disharmony suggests that he is tied with the world (or if the comics can be believed the MLP universe itself more on this later) of MLP itself. Perhaps this is concurrent with the parents of Celestia and Luna creating the world in the comics. Discord when then come to naturally oppose this newfound order.
In my view, I see it this way: Discord and Q from Star Trek is the same, are the same? I don't know how to word that, but you get my point, right? The description of the Q in Star Trek is that they are a race of multi-dimensional beings that can take the shape of ANY life form, but typically humanoid MALE. Q and Discord seem to have the same characteristics to me, and that is my argument, I disagree with both sides of this argument, but respectively, if there is a direct piece of evidence that debunks this, than I'm happy to accept it.
Yes, the season 7 finally shows that star swirl did in fact disappear, but he was banishing his friend to a different dimension so as to not reek havoc on equestria. he's been in a different dimension this whole time. Yes,I realize this was posted, like,a year ago, but I had to say something :3
There's one whole in your timeline... In the comics, Celestia knew Starswirl. They created the magic mirror portal together. He was also apparently around until awhile after Luna's banishment.
Hm. Hearth's Warming Eve dates Starswirl as pre-Hearthfire, as he's Clover's mentor. Still don't know where alicorns come from. Starswirl is not mentioned in HWE, which focuses on the power players in each nation - I'd guess he either retreated to hermitage, perished of age, or 'vanished' at or before the arrival of Windigoes. Starswirl having dealt with Scorpan and Tirek in the past would probably have been able to figure those things out - unless his knowledge of friendship, though enough for Scorpan, was insufficient to repel Windigoes. Here's my headcannon BLAM Starswirl retreated into hermitage after helping Scorpan understand not-being-a-jerk, then trained Clover the Clever, who rose in power in Unicornia. Starswirl remained behind when the Great Migrations occurred, researching deep magic and the power of the legendary Alicorns. I'm skipping the whole 'Tirek knows not of Twilight but is totes familiar with the other three, even though Cadance wasn't an Alicorn until Twilight was alive - and Twilight's princess-ness has been widely publicized...' thing Starswirl unlocks the secret of Alicorn Magic, and somehow either clones/grows Celestia and Luna or helps his young apprentices realize their true power as Alicorns. I'm leaning towards the former. Raised to unite the tribes, as Starswirl still hopes they're alive somewhere, the Heavenly Twins are also a failsafe against the loss of Unicorn magic governing the sun and moon. They begin their journey in search of Equestria, though whether Starswirl lives to see them set out is uncertain. Discord, a completely unrelated entity with power comparable to anything you'd care to name, finds Equestria and sets up shop. Tirek seems to have known him before, but then Tirek also seems to know of Luna, Celestia and Cadance, all of whom postdate his legend... Presumed origins for Discord: integral manifestation of chaos and disharmony, an essential part of the world or an expression thereof, immortal and ever-changing. OR The misbegotten spawn of hyper-magical creatures (pony + Dragon)... Draconeqqus, after all. OR A demon, comparable to Tirek in power but less constant mentally. OR The realization of Starswirl's research, self-applied with grotesque and mind-altering results. I'm leaning towards option A, myself. Whatever the case, Discord's reign is the end of my fanon timeline.
I believe that Discord being Star Swirl is a valid theory. If we think back to the incomplete spell and how itwas never finished, the spell could have totally turned Star Swirl into Discord. This could also explain why Discord has magic without being a pony with a cutie mark. But if we look at the very nature of the spell, it switches the cutie marks/destinies of ponies. What use could that possibly be for? It seems like it would cause more trouble than anything...something Discord is known for. I believe this spell shows the chaotic nature that Discord has. Another theory is that it was intentional, Discord is always helping Twilight in her Destiny in his own distorted way as plainly seen with season four's permire and finale. And what if Star Swirl purposely made that spell knowing it would create a princess, time travel is a thing in Equestria, it is entirely possible he knew about Twilight or in the sense about a pony who would finish the spell. The spell was just another long awaited plot by Discord in helping Twilight discover herslf.
in the book "the journal of the 2 sisters" referring to Celestia and luna it tells about how star swirl the bearded was their friend and mentor and attended the corination. but I still like your theory. I'm not saying that the book makes it wrong, because it doesn't.
Actually, the season finale prooved why Discord is NOT Star Swirl. In the story of Tirek, it mentioned that Star Swirl was a friend of Scorpan when Celestia and Luna ruled Equestria. In ”Return of the harmony” part 2 Celestia mentioned that Discord ruled BEFORE she and her sister. So Star Swirl was still in those times after Discord was defeated. How could a person (pony) be in 2 places with 2 diferent forms?
in the comics it explains Star Swirl and completely shatters him being Discord. Plus Discord and Star Swirl are shown together at the same time. Issues 17-20 btw
@metalsystem761 I don't think the comics really count for show canon. Seeing as they're following a completely different plot line from the show. But I'm still against the idea of Discord being Star Swirl
@sweetie belle I believe at one time they said the comics were canon. I can't remember where I heard that, but the comics do stay faithful to the show with characters what they do and everything they just don't make things up like equestria girls
Actually, Hasbro allowed them to create the comics. But they aren't completely canon. They aren't written by the writers of the show so the two follow different plot lines. Sure there's bits and pieces that are a little canon, but not all of it.
@***** I wouldn't say him being in two places at once is out of the question, considering he can easily clone his body features (like his face, on the back of his head), but him doing that while trapped in stone would be unlikely.
@metalsystem761 I forgot to add that the comics aren't actually made by the writers/creators of the real show. The comics are made by fans. Famous or not, they're fans and don't follow the show. Two different canons.
@sweetie belle It has been officially stated that the comics are B-canon. In other words they are canon unless they contradict the show directly (for example, IF the show says that Fluttershy does not like knitting but the comics say she does like knitting then the show overrules the comics over what is canon, this is just an example).
except in the journal of the two sisters its revealed that star-swirl perfected his time travel spell, but each time he used it it made him younger. maybe eventually all the time traveling mutated him into discord and drove him insane, then he went back in time to take over equestria before luna and celestia came to power
@The Derptor On the same basis I could say that starswirl the bearded became sombra, or anything for that matter. Nothing ever said that he was mutating and it is a huge stretch to make a claim like that from the basis that starswirl used a spell that made him younger, seeing as someone becoming younger or mutating are two very different things.
@Rachel Black By that same logic Discord could as well likely be the only one of his kind and came out of nowhere, which actually fits far more for the spirit of chaos, aka a creature which existence most likely is not grounded in anything. It also makes it clear that if Discord doesn't like to make sense in the same way you are using it then he could have been anything, he could have been a cloud for as much we know by that logic. Also, you fail to realize one thing, you are trying to use logic to discover how a creature of no-consistency came to existence, heck, the most likely thing that created him would be something like what created the windigo if it wasn't just simply that he exists with no reason for him to exist.
As with the Season 4 finale, the comics (mirror universe arc) also show that Star Swirl was around during Celestia and Luna's rule, after Discord had already been turned to stone.
Ofcourse, nothing to stop the magic of the headcannon or head-canons from having fun with AU's & "What Ifs" , and having ways to make things work in creative works is fun. (as is discussion of Zelda and its Legendary 'multi-timeline' multiverse thing)
@metalsystem761 the comics also hint at the writer of Daring Do being Twilight's mom or something like that, show always takes priority over comics, but the show also disproves discord is star swirl
@Shannon Hauck I'm sorry, but you spoke in an orderly language and I understood everything you said clearly. If you were a true follower of nonsense, you wouldn't use such an orderly form of communication.
@Shuyan Branton That went back in time for a few seconds and didn't change anything. Hardly an explanation for why Discord would exist at the same time as Starswirl. Plus, in Hearth's Warming Eve, it's established that Starswirl was around long before the unification of Equestria, and he was around after. Discord appears in the middle of it and is trapped in stone. So if Starswirl had gone backwards in time, he would have had to go backwards a long time before Discord without returning to the "present" after becoming Discord.
Also in the comic books (which are cannon) it is shown that Star Swirl is still around after Luna's banishment. But Luna helped to banish Discord in the show. Therefore Discord came before Star Swirl
@***** Why aren't the Comic books and books cannon? as they are all produced by hasbo the owner of mlp. is it due to the fact they are not write by Lauren Faust? Bc if thats the case neither are a lot of episodes in the animations.
@Izzy Reed Actually, Hasbro itself doesn't produce the comics. They merely licensed the comics.
The comics don't count as canon because they actually conflict with canon a good deal. So at best they are "B canon", which means they are canon unless the show contradicts them.
And while it isn't exactly confirmed, I don't believe Starswirl isn't around after Luna's Banishment. My headcanon puts Discord's defeat at least 2000 years before the events of the show.
@Spoiler Alert Actually, Hasbro has confirmed that the comics are cannon. The reason for the comics to exist in the first place, was to tell stories that were either too long or too short to show on tv, thus expanding the shows lore.
@sparkadus I need proof. What I'm getting on the internet is that Hasbro told the writers to not contradict canon, not that it is canon.
Also, Andy Price said: " IS IT CANON? The comic is set within show continuity, and is done in cooperation with the show staff. This is as close to the show as it gets without having it animated. I personally say yes, but it is really up to the individual to decide."
Yet, the comics contradict the show. One person goes into detail here: http://mlpforums.com/blog/1083/entry-12738-are-the-friendship-is-magic-comics-canon/ And the claims about Luna's appearance are further reinforced by the fact that the comics indicate Luna's change in appearance happened after Magic Duel, since Trixie is good and talks about second chances.
There's also the problems with considering them canon: It decreases Luna's responsibility about the NMM incident, ruining what would be a good moral lesson and also making Celestia's banishment really, really awful. Also, that means traveling to the moon on a lasso is canon, and that's just stupid.
@Spoiler Alert Dude, none of the "contradictions" you pointed out doesn't break cannon. I'm not gonna go into details, since that would take more words then I have patience to write.
@Spoiler Alert Okay then. I'll give you some proof. If NMM wasn't a result of the nightmare spirits, then what did the Elements Of Harmony do in episode 2 of season 1? They turned Luna back to her old self, which would've been impossible without brainwashing her, unless the nightmare spirits are cannon. It's just 1 example and I have more, but this will do for now.
@sparkadus It's a contradiction because Luna retains her old appearance in events that occur after Luna Eclipsed, where we see her with the new appearance. Furthermore, we see Cheerilee say teaching is gross AFTER she earned her cutie mark, but in canon Cheerilee says she got her cutiemark when she realized the joys of teaching. Two direct conflicts with canon!
@sparkadus It's very possible it brainwashed her. Mind-altering magic is not new in Equestria. It also could have stripped her of some of her power, or did what it did in Past Sins and remove the evil parts of her soul. It could have done any number of things not involving Nightmare Forces.
But let's look at the other side: If it was the Nightmare Forces that were removed in Friendship is Magic, why did the Elements of Harmony not do that the first time they were used on her? Why would Celestia use the Elements to banish NMM to the moon instead of just stopping the Nightmare Forces?
In my personal headcanon, the Elements defeat unrepentant opponents and revert opponents who are ready to change (hence why Discord is turned to stone twice and Luna is banished the first time, but the second time Luna is reverted and Sunset Shimmer is reverted the only time the Elements are used on her).
@Spoiler Alert Please note: They didn't know what the nightmare forces were. Also, note that NMM was banished to the moon, and where was the nightmare dreamscape? That's why Luna learned so much about it.
@sparkadus Whether or not they knew what the Nightmare Forces were doesn't affect the Elements acting differently.
"Also, note that NMM was banished to the moon, and where was the nightmare dreamscape? That's why Luna learned so much about it." Learned so much about what? What are you saying here, and how does it make the Nightmare Forces make sense?
Additionally, if the comics are canon, Twilight's dialogue in Princess Twilight Sparkle doesn't make sense. Why would she try to talk Luna out of becoming Nightmare Moon if she knew it was the Nightmare Forces? If the Nightmare Forces were destroyed, why would she even think Luna could turn into Nightmare Moon again? Canon conflicts with the comics.
that, might....be right....star swirl was a great magician....so........................GOT IT! this kinda has something to do with the "luna an nightmare moon aren't the same pony theory": when star swirl casted the spell he might torn apart, the chaos side discord and star swirl the bearded. discord was the immortal side so i think star swirl died one day.................that's all................does it make kinda sense???
@WarriorCatFan00 Really? You should check them out. They do a great job expanding the lore of Equestria and giving more personality to characters like Celestia, Shining Armor and Big Mac.
@sparkadus I believe the lack of understanding is entirely on your part. What isn't there to understand in my argument? If Twilight knew Luna was possessed by the Nightmare Forces, why would she try to talk her out of it? The comics do not make sense in canon, therefore they can't be canon.
@WarriorCatFan00 Except Luna and Nightmare Moon are the same pony, and it's been stated by John de Lancie himself that Discord is not Starswirl the Bearded.
And you've dipped into speculation that has absolutely no support in canon. Starswirl the Bearded can: 1. Make friends 2. Turn stuff into lambs 3. Banish people to alternate dimensions (debatable canon-wise)
Nowhere on that list is "split himself in two beings, one of which is immortal".
In the Journal of the two sisters (which s written by Megan), it is stated, that Luna and Celestia became princesses as fillies (or at least they didn't have their cutie mark for alicorns age differently). That means they defeated Discord after all of this. The book also says how they found the tree of harmony after they became princesses. That is of course, if the book is to be taken canon. (Sorry for my bad english.)
@Nettingman Yes, but the books fom Hasbro aren't canon everytime because in Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart spell it mentioned that Cadence was born a pegasus but some other people from Hasbro say that Cadence was actually born an alicorn so we cant know if the books are canon or not. It depends of what appears in the series.
I don't know where you heard that Cadance was born as an alicorn. And these books are written by G. M. Berrow, but the Journal is written by Megan McCarthy, who's one of the show lead storywriter. But of course noone can tell what's canon, what's not. Personally I take all movie, book and comic canon, too.
@Nettingman I haven't read the Journal of the Two Sisters, so I don't know what it says. I do however, know what the show says. The show never explicitly states that the Sisters ruled after Discord, but it does imply that Discord came before Tirek and Scorpan and after the first Hearth's Warming.
Reasoning: Discord ruled when the tribes were united. This is explicitly stated. He also ruled about the time the Sisters gained power. Thus clearly after the founding of Equestria, so after Starswirl mentored Clover the Clever. However, Tirek knew Discord had been imprisoned yet didn't know Discord was free (he states this in Twilight's Kingdom), therefore he arrived in Equestria after Discord's defeat, and didn't know Discord was released because he had been in Tartarus and then in hiding.
So Starswirl was around before and after Discord for extended periods of time. Therefore Starswirl cannot be Discord!
Oh, and I pointed out why the comics could not be considered canon earlier.
@Spoiler Alert Oh and you're right in your arguing about the comics, but I don't think these are so big contradictions. The Luna thing can be considered as poor drawing, and Cherilee told a fib about her cutie mark. :D Still, I think the canonness (if it's a word) of the comics is a thing that everyone should decide on their own.
@Nettingman "The Luna thing can be considered as poor drawing" No, it can't. The comics specifically say her appearance changed because... love, or something. They show her transform from old version to new version, despite it being AFTER Season 2, where she has her new appearance.
@Nettingman Oh, and also, to my knowledge it's never stated that ANYONE died. We might as well assume Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum are alive, because no one has ever been said to have died in the show.
@Nettingman I am chill. This is my idea of fun, debating my favorite topics on the internet.
"Oh and Celesetia and Luna uses their "unicorn" not alicorn power in the first episode prologue. And Maud isn't there on Pinkie's first party in call of the cutie, but she's seen on the picture in season 4. " The first part can be explained simply: If the theory that Alicorns possess all the magic of the other three types of ponies is correct, then the backstory in the beginning can be saying the sisters used unicorn powers, as opposed to using their Earth pony powers or pegasus powers. After all, unicorns can move the sun, so that would fall under the unicorn power category.
The second also has an explanation, but it's not quite as good: Pinkie's recollection of events vs. what actually occurred. Pinkie did say that the story was "how Equestria was made", and until Magic Duel (where Trixie confirms rock farms) there was a common theory that Pinkie had made the whole story up. Perhaps in Pinkie's memory she didn't remember Maud being there? It isn't very likely, but it can still be explained.
That is true, it also says in some mlp comics that star swirl was friends with Tia AND he made a portal to another dimension witch show'd that discord was the element of friendship. But then in the comic when star swirl found out that Tia was traveling through the dimension they quickly ended there friendship. But going back to the discord being the element of friendship quickly shows that discord is his own person,and that star swirl was gone because the Tia that was evil put him in a dungeon and he had died because he had no food or water. So that is one of my theory.
Also the Comic does better job at this then anyone else. Read the comics people they almost actually came out with what happens to star swirl all we know his last spell that he did not finish is when he had disappeared.
That is correct Scorpan was a friend to him. I won't lie I did enjoy this theory it was well thought out. Starswirls spell was also interesting to me. So for the sake of argument lets just say this was true. Even thought it not run with me on this. Magic is very versatile and has many different properties in it's usage. Thought a spell design to specifically target your friends would do just that. Now if you didn't have any that leads to the question of what kind of back lash if any would happen? In order to understand that you would need to know more about Starswirls personality I am amusing on this. Depend on that would depend how that backlash would effect him if at all. The possibility of no backlash is also a thing. With nothing to focus on the spell wouldn't work. If it did I assume it would switch the closest thing to a friend it could find. Family or perhaps his personality. As for a transformation I haft to say highly unlikely since the spell was very clear of its design. (So that is my thoughts as for what is cannon.) We know Starswirl was around during Luna and Celestias rule and it was state he never got it to work. This would me he might have cast the spell but with no friends in his life the spell had nothing to target. I would also point out that this spell didn't bounce to any family other wise it would have work. In which case Twighlight would have never gotten book. So it simple was cast and fissile out. However The Brony Notion I did enjoy this and it was clever. Thank you for posting this. It was fun to think about. /)
I don't know if Discord already existed with Starswirl the bearded. I believe it is actually a darker tale. When Starswirl tried to change a draconis into a good guy with his spell it backfired switching there bodies instead and personalities. Discord killed Starswirl even though starswirl had become Discord.
Though that would mean the draconis are much more chaotic evil then good. It would be interesting if some one could make a head canon around the time of Tirek and the second forthcoming of discord in the time that starswirl disappeared. It would be a interesting read.
I completely agree with this, but for the people who thinks it's possible just because he's discord and unpredictable, think about it. If discord could duplicate himself, he wouldn't need to free himself, and chaos would already be all around Equestria, Canterlot, and so on. He would possibly be able to defeat the princesses, and even the magic of friendship. When he had divided the ponies in a maze, he fought many slip ups and ever manipulated them, taking full control. Just imagine if there were more than one. Even if he does have the power to duplicate himself, it hasn't been proven, therefore, for now it is not possible.
Note he had that spell that Twilight used to warn herself not to worry so much. My guess is that they are in fact the same person...er...pony, and he altered the spell, therefore he could be in two places at the same time for way longer than a few seconds.
Not nessicarily, remember the episode when Twilight used an old spell of his to travel back in time, where technically she was in two places at once? Well, Starswirl could have altered that spell so that while Starswirl was with Boreas or whatever his name is, he could also roam around, ruling Equestria as Discord.
I agree....the personality/appearance swap (as it was shown in the finale s3 episode) nobody remembered that they were in their wrong spots until the spell broke. Everyone thought they seemed to belong...
you say the unfinished spell caused star swirl to change phisically, yet the spell only changes identity, the spell was most likely unfinished because he had no friend of which to change identity. also even though star swirl wasn't into the whole friendship thing, he still did what's best for equestria, doesn't really fit that because he's bored he becomes the god of chaos
I'm not convinced. If the spell is aimed at swapping the destinies of friends then there is no reason that it would affect him. It also makes no sense that it would disfigure him in anyway. Fluttershy to flutterbat does have some major changes but she still remains a pony and keeps her overall appearance. Then, who would he swap destinies with? Why would his be inverted as it seems? I am also wondering about the fact that Scorpan's pony friend looks remarkably like Starswirl and yet knows about Discord being turned to stone. So this kinda throws a wrench into the cannon timeline.
I think it would be great if Discord was Starswirl, but there are a few plot holes to this: -If Starswirl was the shadow pony, then Discord can't be him. - In the beggening of the season four finale, it said Tirek's brother befriended Starswirl. Tirek then gave Discord the necklace that Tirek's brother wore. Discord should have seen it on Tirek's brither, but instead he has no idea that it was his brother's. Even if he was just covering up he was Starswirl, I doubt he would sacrifice his power for that.
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Well there’s nothing to say they are not related in some way. Discord and star swirl have never been seen together and I don’t think discord knows that the Pilards have returned. It’s possible that star swirl CREATED the draconequus
So some people have asked if Starswirl turned into Discord, why did he appear gone for a while before Discord showed up? My theory on that is this: The spell didn't affect his mind, just his body and Starswirl/Discord spent some time trying to figure out how to reverse the spell, staying hidden to avoid causing a panic with his new form. However as time went on with failure after failure to reverse the spell, he began to go insane from lack of social stimulation. However, as he tried to reverse the spell, he discovered that he now had godlike powers.Because he was still new to these powers, he had limited control over them and one day he cast a spell big enough to expose his existence to the ponies. They ended up labeling him Discord. Starswirl, due to the mental damage, had started having fun creating chaos and gave up on reversing the spell, so he embraced his new identity and adopted the name Discord. However, deep down, Starswirl is still in there. He hasn't 100 percent let go of his old life. He wants to preserve that respect and admiration he had as Starswirl, which was why he's never told anypony about who he once was, and why Starswirl is one of the very few famous ponies still remembered from BEFORE the Age of Chaos, when many of them were likely forgotten.Discord doesn't want that part of his life to be forgotten, or disgraced by knowledge of who he's become. so he wants what happened to him to remain a mystery.
Actually, Laura Faust had created discord as one of the later added characters before the airing of the show. She would most likely know discord's background. I'm not saying that you should go and e-mail Laura or anything, but I'm just pointing out that she might have also made up Starswirl the Bearded, like she did with discord, later in the development before the show aired. So, it's not impossible that Starswirl could have become Discord, like The Brony Notion had brought up. And who is also as socially awkward as Discord? Possibly a friendless smart unicorn devoted to magic such as Starswirl.
I have a theory on another section of this. The part about Starswirl using the friend switch spell thing messing him up might have also messed up his mind so he didn't remember who he was before, just that he was discord now. Now think, all those things trying to swap friend's cutie marks and stuff could have been too much, turning him into discord. The new spell trying to convert different qualities of different ponies from one pony into one might have just mixed things up.
AND didn't anypony notice how Discord can use magic just by snapping his fingers? Also, every time he appears in the show, random things pop out of no where. Just take the "Glass of Water" song for example. So my point is that it takes a lot of skill to preform that kind of magic. And supposedly StarSwirl is known for his magic and spells... JUST a theory
you know what might be possible is discord was star swirl and during that time became more then friends with celestia hint and during his relationship with her had this issue with the spell u might wonder why it didn't affect celestia considering what you said bronynotion but if you think about it the elements fuelled the switch in character and they still were represented by the ponies in heart's warming eve. so.... it would switch the body parts of him like you said but it would explain why its not known celestia is so embarrassed and they both agree to keep it a secret and so star swirl is shunned by everyone also after star swirl becomes corrupted by the loneliness and turns into discord and why clestia is angry at him is because he betrayed equestria and took over equestria this was before she was princess.
I do think Starswirl could have turned into Discord. Aside a common physical feature, the share few key character traits. Notice how, when Discord first speaks to the ponies, he makes special mention of all their names and elements. Why would he take the time to tell them what they already know, other than to show off what he knew about them. Like he takes pride in knowledge, like a scholar wanting to flounce his new discovery. This is again reflected during the maze portion, where he takes the time to bend the elements against themselves through manipulation rather then just brute forcing them like he did to Fluttershy. So we can draw that he takes some sort of joy from knowing things and using what he knows. Another point mentioned is his manipulation. He knew how to corrupt honesty, laughter, generosity, loyalty, and magic, but he couldn't turn kindness on its head. Despite Starswirl spending large amounts of time crafting spells for unicorns to use, surly he had some interaction with other ponies. Of coarse he could have seen how honest folk would turn to lies, loyal people turn their back on their loyalties, ect, but during the last episode of season 3, Celestia mentions that Mr swirl didn't understand friendship, and to understand kindness, you have to be on the receiving end at least once. So his final spell, the one that Celstia sends to twilight, would go unfinished. I think the story goes as such: Starswirl, having created and mastered many powerful spells, and having nothing left to study in terms of raw magical power, turns to a magic power he has long since forgone due to some past childhood reason, the magic of friendship, and uses the elements of harmony as a reference. He takes it as a literal magic, and begins to construct a spell on it, the incomplete spell that Celestia dumps on twilight. The incomplete spell fails, but instead of swapping friends he doesn't have's lives around, it instead swaps something else. As he was experimenting with the elements of harmony, he gets swapped the negitive power of the elements [Chaos emeralds?]. Now, filled and becoming the spirit of Chaos, he casts a spell to go way back in time, giving him enough time to experiment with his powers then take over Equestria. That was... to long winded... I have a fanfiction to write!
Another reason, maybe he was a Mischievous spirit all along? Making time spells, that would total MESS UP time. A spell that switches personalities? Sounds very Mischievous. Or maybe he was discord, turned into star swirl (IDK how) and wanted to turn back, making the spell!
Celestia simply said that he didn't understand friendship as well as Twilight. This doesn't mean that he had no friends. Also, I don't believe that the two Princesses came in to power after Discord's defeat. Notice how they had their ceremonial attire when they defeated Discord. Wouldn't one assume that this attire would have been made for them because they were Princesses?
About that whole timeline it was stated in "The Journal Of The Two Sisters" Swirl Star the Bread SHOWED the element tree to Luna and Celestial telling them about its power
ShadowWriter45 he was beacsue they say in mlp star swirl the bearded created something but it wasn't finished and went wrong or something and I believe that was the creation
@Red that's kinds right but star swirls spell went wrong so he turned into discord I think
PS:I really like getting in on theory's about mlp because there cool but if if I tell someone they say that's a baby show and then when I tell them.I like yo do theory's there confused
I think this also explains why he doesnt like elements in first place..besides the reason he was turned into a stone with it. This a very good theory but we cant say for sure if its true,only time can tell.
I know this has been since 2014, but. I still have something to say I just watched the episode "The crystalling" parts 1 and 2 and this is the time where starlight sees sunburst her only friend. By looking at sunburst, he said he was a wizard. I mean his coat is full of stars but no moons. and the beard of the starswirl the bearded is the same as sunburst's (well maybe) and he had so many books well maybe like the library of the crystal empire and the castle at canterlot. All I have to say: Discord is not starswirl but, sunburst is and maybe chaged his name and etc.
Celestia: "Starswirl had no friends" I think they do establish that the princesses just didn't know about the pillars. But this canon explanation now falls apart as to why Starswirl's spell didn't work. He had allies already right? I guess we just have to assume this was from before he met them, from when he parted ways with Celestia and Luna to join the pillars, and go missing without the princesses ever knowing why. This book does not mention the pillars in it, which dates it to that time before he had friends. But then this leaves us with one result: Starswirl could have become an alicorn at any point, and still can now, ever since he joined the pillars. All he had to do, was remember this spell. Did he really only write it in one book, lose it, and forget about it? I wonder how hard he'd be kicking himself if he realised.
Also he's never met Discord ever. As far as I can recall even after season 9, Starswirl has never been seen in the same room as Discord. It still feels like there's something to this. You make a lot of good points here. Especially given that nobody remembered that Nightmare Moon was Luna, it would make sense that people didn't know Discord was Starswirl. And your timeline is perfect! There just wasn't any mistakes here at all. Which makes it all the more a shame that it ended up being wrong. This really is the best wrong theory the fandom has ever had.
Okay, lets see here. Discord, the lord of chaos, is Star Swirl the Bearded? I don't buy it. Mainly because I don't get why doing the spell that swapped The Elements of Harmony's elements, would change Star Swirl the Bearded (SSTB) into being Discord. It doesn't make an sense. With the Elements of Harmony, it does make sense because they're swapping elements that are there - and if it's just with SSTB a pony, all that would happen is nothing. There's nothing to swap.
Even if SSTB did transform into Discord, why on Earth would he focus his time on chaos magic? From my understanding, he focused on Arcane Spells, not Chaos. And the spells Discord uses look pretty complex, nothing to allow any beginner or even novice to cast no matter how hard they tried. And don't pull that "He had X years to learn them!", if you look at Discord's spells, they're too complex to cast. Come back to me when you say he spent a lifetime learning Chaos Magic and forgetting his Arcane Roots.
Another point is just because two people share similar traits doesn't make them the same. And what I mean is that both Discord and Star Swirl had no friends. Well, my friends and I haven't played the first two Fallout Games, and that doesn't make my friends and I the same person.
I had never heard this theory. and I like this theory XD its a bit like elder scrolls. The hero of Kvatch becoming Sheogorath. VERY similar story lines and it is possible it played out that way as well. but really all that is not written until the authors say "hrmm... yeah... lets do that"
actually, I think that your right about the spell turning him into a draconequus, but it wasn't just the cutie marks being changed that made me think this. I see it more as that the his cutie mark was changed while he was still in pony form causing him to change in to a chaos creating pony. I believe that he turned into a draconequus when he was trying to fix the spell because if you remember after twilight fixed the spell she changed into an alicorn, thus proving the people can change species using sertaing spells this is also shown in the episode "It Ain't Easy Being Breezies", twilight changed the main six into breezies. I believe that starswirled changed him self into a draconequus when he was trying to bring his old cutie mark back, and being the well respected pony that he was, he didn't tell anyone that he had made a mistake and so he just vanished into thin air as the newly made discord went into hiding. After a few years, he decided to come out of hiding with a new name so that he wouldn't ruin the reputation he used to have. Once the ponies of equestrian caught wind that a draconequus had come to equestrian, they all decided to see what he was like. He tried to live in harmony with the ponies of equestrian, but the chaos of the spell had too much control over his personality. he tried to bottle up the chaos inside, but he couldn't, and one day it just took over him thus causing him to take over equestrian, not by choice.
Just realised something. You're saying there is 1000 years of piece after discord is turned to stone until he's released but by that time Night Mare Moon has already been defeated and turned back into Luna and Luna was also banished for 1000 years. Twilight arrived in Ponyville in season one, Discord is season two and in season 4 that's when the summer sun celebration comes around again (which is one year). That means not even a year went by for Luna and Celestia to rule before Luna 'finally' cracked and became Night Mare Moon, probably only a few months. Not much time to get really angry about ruling pony's.
Umm... Since none of us are writers on the shop. It does not matter what we think unfortunately. Because the writers make the cannon and can decide whatever they want.
@LornaThePony+PokemonFan! If your a true fan then you should know that Lauren faust is working on season 5 of mlp fim. But I dear god she doesn't ruined season 5
The voice actors don't even know about stuff that we don't know, only the writers do know, but hey megan said flash won't be in season 4, and look what happen.....flash sentry coming out of the train.....don't believe what they say, they don't want to spoiled it to the fans
How would star swirl just "switch" into the lord of chaos? he would have to have known him or had something off him. You can't "switch" into somebody who you know in this case becuase twi had the elements. but starswirl probably had no idea who discord even was! (just an idea)
The way you explained Starswirl's change confuses me. His spell changed Twilight's friends' cutie marks, so the way I see it is that the spell would do nothing. He had know friends which I believe but you need to explain why the spell changed him.
Starswirl was still young at the coronation of Luna and Celestia, and was one of the 6 unicorns that carried out the duties of raising the moon and Sun which now fall upon Luna and Celestia, and Celstia only during Nightmare Moon's 1000 year banishment to the moon. Starswirl is also said to be unable to lower the moon himself completely depleting his magic attempting to do so (kinda tells me Starswirls was kinda stuck on himself and likely the most powerful unicorn in the history of Equestria), which leads me to believe he would not have be strong enough to over throw the other five unicorns at the time let alone have the ability to nearly defeat two alicorns. Remember it took Luna and Celestia weilding the Elements of Harmony to defeat Discord. Starswirl on the other hand wasn't strong enough to lower the moon by him self, something Luna or Celestia can both do at will. .
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this, but there is another small thing to note. The spell swapped the ponies' destinies, and the effect of that was almost entirely just... chaos. It did nothing beneficial, and was also otherwise pretty benign. Much like Discord's magic. He rarely hurts anyone, just messes around with them.
If you read the journal of the two sisters you would know celly and luna rose to power when star swirl the bearded was himself, as they were good friends with him
There is one flaw in your theory, ( it's a VERY good theory by the way ) Star Swirl wasn't ever depicted to "evil" if he did have some fun with chaos, I don't it would be destructive like that.
Wait wait WAIT!!!!! Scratch that theory. In equestria girls, sunset shimmer went down hill, What if Star Swirl, not having any friends, cast the spell thing, the spell is supposed to spread friendship, but Star Swirl had no friends, so the spell back fired, like with sunset and twilight from the human world, Discord was created, like you said in "A magical comparison" Discord eliminated any sound judgment, creating chaos is something Star Swirl probably never even thought of doing, but Discord did. Tirek was able to trick Discord so well because "FREEDOM" was something that Star Swirl wanted, to be free from Discord.
Wait. If Discord is Starswirl, why would he dispose of chaos? The only thing I was able to think of, is that Starswirl was so outcasted, that he so angry, he went insanley crazy! But I don't think this is the case.
My theory is that Star Swirl some how was turned into Sombra. The whole crystal empire stuff happened a 1000 years before and the same with Discord indecent.
Just like I believe jar-jar binks should have/was meant to be a Sith Lord, so too does “starswirl = discord” slap so much better than the actual canon. (My opinion)😁
The only problem with this is that Tia and LuLu STUDIED under StarSwirl, and he was the one who helped Celestia and Luna discover their destiny of raising and lowering the sun & moon, according to the journal of the 2 sisters.
here's a hole in your theory: if they did rise to power after discord; how come when Celestia was telling tirek's backstory, it showed scorpan befriend starswirl
there is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back
Hey Brony Notion here is my theory Starswirl was working on time spell with no limitations and everything went wrong and that is how discord was created that would explain the disappearance of starswill and the sudden appearance of discord
Here is a off topic theory for the two sisters since we know that ponies only get their cutie marks when they have discovered there special tallents and we know that celly's tallent raising the sun and luna is raising the moon they would not be able to find out what there tallents were untill they were princesses cause of laws. thus i believe the princess were blank flanks.
You may ask how does this tie in with Starswirl the bearded ? cause starswirl was before the time of the sisters reign thus he could have thought them the spell for lowering and raising the moon and the sun that be why thier cutie mark are of the sun and the moon [this also ties in with the discord is starswirl theory] i also think that starswirl with the help of a few unicorns raised and lowered the sun and the moon until there magic got depleted for example look at twilight in season 01 episode 16 where gave rarity wings she got weaker thus she nearly depleted her magic and we know that alicorns are OP that is he tought the spell to luna and celly.
If this and your "Twilight is Clover the Clever" theory is true, this means Discord was Twilight's mentor, and even though I don't know Discord, I think Discord would mention this to Twilight.
As much as I enjoy this theory, sorry to say that it's now confirmed to be not true due to the season 7 finale. So it looks like Event HoriXZ0n's Theory of there being more than one Draconequus is most likely true.
The Bronynotion, do you think the pillars are related to the mane 6? They planted the tree of harmony and they said about their legacy being passed on. So are they related?
It makes more sense to me that Starswirl might've become Sombra if you look at how the spell actually backfired. If the pony has a group of friends, all the friends' destinies are reversed. If he had no friends and performed it on himself, his destiny as a helpful unicorn could have turned into a destiny of a unicorn who wanted to enslave everyone and make them serve him, instead of him serving others. It would also fit better into the timeline. But I don't think that will be canon. I think that Starswirl is just Starswirl in the end. Though they have brought him up quite a few times now...
Some one else mentioned that to me once and it does make sense, but recently I've also come to the same conclusion that Discord might as well just be Discord. Until they directly confirm or deny this, there's no for sure knowing otherwise. /)
SonictheShapeshifter a.k.a. LadyFoxling so does season 6 finale, "to where and back again," there is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back
How did Starswirl's spells get in the Royal Canterlot Archives? Most of the books were left at the castle of the two sisters when NMM attacked. And could the pre-alicorn Equestria even make/store enough spells to fill the huuuuuge room in It's About Time?
To add on to your theory about him being Starswirl if Discord wasn't he'd remember about the book and ripping it before the whole being turned into stone buuut he didn't and helped Twilight become an alicorn.
It seems highly unlikely that Discord is Star Swirl. In the S4 finale, we learn that Scorpan befriended "a young unicorn wizard," and judging by the image, is Star Swirl. Later we see that Tirek is surprised that Discord is free, meaning, when he and Scorpan came to Equestria, Discord was already in stone. In short, Star Swirl was around at the same time Discord was in stone.
@daHunter3000 I thought about that, but remember Tirek has been free since Cerberus escaped in the s2 episode "It's About Time". He could have seen the statue of Discord seing how Discord was freed from stone the second time in season three. I don't think they knew each other personally.
Well discord is known among many. Tierk did say discords work is well known. So he could of HEARD about him and his banishment. And because he didnt get close to starswirl he would know if swirl became discord or not. It is possible. Swirl seemed to of vanished around the time discord appeards
@The Brony Notion Amy Keating Rogers confirmed at her panel that Discord was first, before Tirek and Scorpan came, which mean he was already in stone when Scorpan befriended Starswirl. We must give up with Discord/Starswirl idea at this point
@The Brony Notion then he would see too that Discord is good now. He was surprised that Discord was friend of ponies(He maybe not sound that, but he sound kinda sad when he saw discord, and if he knew that Discord is friend of ponies, he wouldn't ask it)
Isn't stars swirl good with time magic though? I'd say it's not entirely impossible that he may have been on some sort of vacation to the future or something, and encountered scorpan at that point (if it truly is star swirl that befriended him), or even that star swirl originally started out in the time of peace, and at some point traveled back in time before the time of chaos to eventually become discord. If he was pretty good with time magic, that is.
@Darke Exelbirth A time Vacation? Sounds cool, but twilight's time spell only lasted live, 2 minuets? Maybe less? Sure, maybe he had more experience, but we're talking about, hmm THE PRINCESSES FRIGGING STUDENT! He could have don, like what a Day or two? I believe in this Star swirl is Discord, but the Whole time vacation is a little far fetched.
@Rachel Webb It's not that he simply had more experience than twilight. No, it's more a matter of what his expertise was, and that was time magic. Twilight has very little experience with time magic, whilst starswirl is pretty much the inventor of it. Kind of like comparing a kid who has played with one of those plasma balls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe) to Tesla.
Besides, can you really say that it's entirely farfetched for a unicorn that actually completely reversed his aging process on accident to time travel for a couple days?
You do make a good point, but star swirl just taking a time Vacation for fun? time spells themselves can mess up time pretty badly, and a experienced wizard like star swirl wouldn't want to mess up time just for fun. Maybe it was Discord who time traveled? He would have not cared.
@Rachel Webb Unless you can't mess up time. Remember how Twilight was basically trying to mess up time herself when she went back to warn herself? She couldn't change the course of events at all. It happened the exact same way. If the course of events in time cannot be altered, I'm sure the creator of time spells probably would have figured that out. And if he knew that he couldn't change the course of events, then he'd probably feel pretty safe taking a day off in the past or future, knowing that whatever happened whilst he did so was destined to happen anyway.
@Rachel Webb Or would it have? We'll never really know. I mean, the only way she could prevent herself from going back is if a further in the future version of herself showed up and tried to prevent her from going back to her first iteration. But that relies on twilight once again listening to her future self, which it seems like she wouldn't.
Time travel is a very complex concept, but that could be a result of our perception of how time works being so incredibly simple.
@daHunter3000 Not to mention, if Discord was Starswirl, Tirek wouldn't compliment him. He basically says he's Discord, there is no way you'd serve these weak minded ponies, saying he isn't one of them or never was one of them. And lastly, it is said that Fluttershy is Discord's first friend. In the narrative, it says Scorpan befriends Starswirl. How can you have a friend before your first friend? You can't, so they aren't the same person.
@Mr.chang cooler because even if starswirled and discord were the same being, they can be of different minds. Like how nightmare moon and Luna are the same being, yet they are different ponies. Think of it like severe split personality disorder.
@Rachel Webb Pinkie actually said "Hey look! I found a longer time spell!" or something like that. Also Starswirl the Bearded was the CREATOR of time travel.
+The Brony Notion That`s a great explanation that solves one of the main issues I had. I thought your points were really thought provoking. Awesome video. Also nice to see critics have a civil debate for once.
I personally think, Discord wasn't in stone THAT time, since Star Swirl came first, and even before, Celestia and Luna were alive. Or were they but babies. And I think I know the reason on how they knew Discord was in stone is that because of communication. There's a saying that word travels fast, so I think, that after Discord was defeated I'm pretty sure, words are made and were spreading even in alternate dimensions. I hope you understand my explanation, and I hope I didn't sound mean. Haha Thanks! :)
THE SISTERS WERE RULING YOUR VIDEO PROVES THAT. So Tirek and his brother came a round when the sisters were ruling and that was after Discord and Star Swirl was still there so BOOM Discord is NOT Star Swirl the beard
+daHunter3000 Tirek could easily have learned of Discord during his imprisonment or lengthy period of time on the run. Plus Starswirl and Discord's time travelling messes with your claim.
good point I was also gonna say that let's not forget that Ink Rose did a theory on Luna Celestia and Discord even though it is just a theory most of her theories make a lot of sense and explain alot
+The Brony Notion but how would he know it was Discord I mean I don't think there was a label on the statue and miss Cherely knew because she's a teacher and has to know about Equistrion history
I think that is true because if star swirl became discord before the sisters rose to power, he would not be able to befriend scorpan because the royal sisters were there
I personally think that there were some serious continuity errors in past stories like that. I've tweaked and headcanoned all of them into something reasonable, but everyone will have their own ideas.
Star Swirl WAS corrupted when he wrote the spell, and changed into Discord. Star Swirl`s back story: (my opinion) Star Swirl woke up one day on a Sunday morning. He didn`t know what to do because he already finished all his spells. So he wondered back and forth, wondering what to do. Finally, after 2 hours, he had an idea. He went to grab his book. But then he thought something would happen, so he put the book back. His spell was to turn himself into an Alicorn, but he though he might turn out horribly, and it might turn out into a orange (fruit) frog or something. So he kept on walking back and forth, still thinking about what to do. Then he thought he could make a forming spell, meaning, to change into another pony, for one day (and yes, the other pony will become Star Swirl). So, again, he took out his book, and he wrote the spell. Since he has no friends to swap with, he decided to do a random pony. But little did Star Swirl know, he actually switched it into a unknown creature, and he didn`t realize, until he he felt something different happening when he was lifted in the air. He tried to get down with all his might, but it was too late. He turned into Discord as we know today: He was corrupted, and started to change all of Equestria, into Chaos for 1000 years. The End. Hope you like my theory of Star Swirl`s back story! :D Leave a like if you liked it!
the comic said that star swirl was Celestia's magical council. Celestia would never trust Discord for that. and she states in that comic that they were close friends. and also just because he didn't understand friendship like Twilight it doesn't mean he didn't have any friends
This theory probably isn't true. In the Journal of the Two Sisters, they mention that Star Swirl taught them magic. Plus, Luna says that she knew Star Swirl.
This theory has been disproved thanks to Fiendship is magic because star swirl banished the sirens after Celestia and Luna rose to power. Meaning that discord was already encased in stone.
yes star swirl could be turned into a draconiqous BUT how do we know that there isn't only one of them? how can we know that he is a DIFFERENT draconaquis then discord?
The sirens AFTER discord was turned to stone came and were banished by starswirl. If discord ruled in eternal chaos before Celestia and Luna stonified him, then none of the other villains that starswirl defeated could have rose to power during discord's reign. It would have been to hard and they would have failed. Therefore the villains starswirl defeated would have come after discord was turned to stone. All this proof came from piecing together the information given by the show, and not just one part A.K.A the first episode of discord because there are also other villains and you have to look at how they fit into the timeline
discord decided since he was an outcast so he caused mischief to get payback for them outcasting him and maybe the villains were before his transformation it makes perfect sense. duh.
I do like you point and it would be cool if discord is star swirl. But I also don't see how he could go so dark / evil. Star Swirl seemed like a good pony and not the kind that could turn evil just like that. But if they are the same pony there's got to be more to go to him becoming evil than wanting to have fun
You said that he was outcast because of his draconequus appearance but when he meet tirek he was a pony so why didn't, if he was Star Swirl, then turn into his old self or a pony and carry on with his studies instead of getting bored and in the end rising to power.
In my opinion, if you remember, in star swirls spell he says a mark of one's destiny singled out a lone fulfilled somebody's cutie marks got changed and his destiny was fulfilled...turning into discord. I have proof because when twilight said the spell HER destiny was fulfilled. So yah
ya know what I think? I think that star swirl the bearded was just having a a little fun with dark magic and turned into discord and got corrupted little at a time then when he changed back no one liked him and then he couldn't learn and finish the "friendship spell" and when he got completely corrupted and turned "evil" (btw I hate the term "evil" it's to harsh😕) anyway like if u agree 😉
And here's my argument on why Star Swirl the bearded is not Discord because the show itself showed Star Swirl the bearded who is obviously not Discord at the end of this recent season I'm sorry to burst your bubble still a fun fan Theory to write a fanfiction about though at least there's still that
saying that the spell would swap around starswirls body is a very big leap of Faith, and you supplied no evidence for this hypothesis. the spell dousnt effect the physicle body but the magic that disideds what the pony is ment to do with their life and what their talents are. also with all the good starswirl DoD for equestria I find it extreamly unlikely that he would become one of the monsters he would normally help deffend equestria from out of just bordom. no I think it is possible that starswirl was instramentle in the accidental creation of discord, but it is extreamly unlikely for him to be discord himself.
also if the second Equestria Girls is to be bileaved then starswirl was around A thousand years ago, after discord had been sealed in stone when he banished the sirens.
star swirls destiny could have been fame and glory, until he cast the spell and changed his destiny (on accident) so he would become destined to become the lord of chaos.
I know it's been proven wrong by season 7 finally but I just wanted to say, twilight's friends purpose swapped and your theory was that starswirl's body parts changed species
John de Lancie also said he didn't know Discord's backstory, so if he didn't know his own backstory, how would he know who star swirl the bearded. Not much of an argument on her part tbh. (No hating on Ilovekimpossiblealot I watch her too)
What if because of the painful transformation, Starswirl was actually KILLED by his own spell and Discord is his "spirit" that could never die and is forced to live with what he did to himself forever?
This can actually be disproven by Occam's razor. Since your approach makes so many assumptions, it becomes so unlikely that your head cannon may as well be completely false. For example, even though I can't technically disprove that history didn't happen, I can prove it unlikely enough to disregard it.
Dear Brony Notion, As a pegasister I feel it is my duty to correct any flaws I may see in my beloved fandom. However much proof you may have supporting your theory you must consider this. (Just so you know my information is coming from Ink Rose who gets information from the creators so if any bronies/pegasisters would like to learn more of Equestria history please check out her channel if you already haven't.) The elements of harmony were originally Star Swirls idea. However because he did not understand friendship he gave up on the project as they were supposed to be weapons made by magic and were not powerful enough. This is because the greatest magic was friendship which again he did not understand. Instead his pupil Clover took over and was able to complete the task for she had first hoof experienced the power of friendship as seen in the Heart's Warming Eve episode. Now for my part. If Star Swirls were to create a spell and it did turn him into Discord would he not try to fix himself as he knows that there are things that ( the Elements of Harmony) that would be able to defeat him if he were to start chaos. Also I would think that Star Swirl would not understand friendship as he is known for his many studies and spell making. As a bit of back up Twilight originally did not understand friendship for she focused too much on her studies. This can be seen in the first episode when Twilight is so obsessed with the return of Nightmare Moon she does not care to go to a party. Also the two mares who ask her to join reply to her decline by one asking the other is something as " Does all that girl do is read?". That's kind of all I have to say. But if I were to support your theory my small piece of evidence is Discord's beard kind of looks like Star Swirls. Thanks if you read my comment if not anyone who did read it please tell me what you think of my response. I would love to know. Anyway can't wait for the next video! From, Sparkle Storm (my OC)
Sorry, Brony Notion. But, I think you forgot a point that could have helped you in this video. In part 2 of episode where discord come back the first time, discord takes twilight back in time to show her what he said. The only pony we know who knew how to back in time was Star Swirl. Also, to look at the casting the spell another way. yes, I do think it switched his body another, but I think it also messed up the harmony within him, making him the crazy messed up pony he is in the show.
Well, this video is now most likely wrong... in the season four finale, it says Scorpan met Starswirl the bearded. And when discord sees Tirek, they act like they have already been acquainted. This means that discord was around when starswirl was around because Tirek couldn't met him at a later date beause he was trapped in Tartarus. I mean he could have met discord in the small time frame when Serberus (That's the two headed dog right?) got distracted and discord was recalled. But I don't blame you for thinking this because I don't think Season four was out at the time of this upload.
It's like this: Discord has ALWAYS tried to do something to the elements of harmony, right? Well, I think he IS Starswirl the bearded. Because, star swirl AND Discord NEVER really had friends, right? So that's why they both tried to do something to the elements of harmony! Because they are the same person! BUT, in the end, Discord befriends all the mane six (Accept for when he helps out Tirek then goes back to friendly). StarSwirl the bearded just wanted friends, like Discord. So in the end, when Discord befriends them, as I've mentioned, it's REALLY StarSwirl, ask that's just my opinion. Also, no. I am not a brony. Yes, I love MLP. And yes, StarSwirl and Churches are the same. But transformed for disguise.
I believe a major point you missed was the fact that assumed that Starswirl didnt have friends even though Celestia said he didnt understand friendship as much as Twilight, therefore making your point invalid. Anyway, just something I wanted to point out....
This theory is disproved. It was shown Scorpan and Starswirl were friends. But at that point discord was already turned to stone. So how could he exist at two points?
@Dizzynoodlegamer only one time travel spell existed and could only send you back for a few seconds, not to even get into the paradoxes that would create!
While I won't argue about paradoxes I will say that its more than likely more than one time travel spell exist. There may not be many but there are certainly more than one.
@tetsiga45XxX Fine, but one one exists in canon. Untill we get clarification that there is more than one. I wont believe it...aslo there would still be pardoxes
@***** I doubt Discord will ever truly give up on chaos. Its an integral part of his character. As for the former I'm not sure how Fluttershy would feel about him making such a drastic choice.
Just because Celly say that Starswirl did not have the same understanding of friendship as Twilight dont mean that he never had friends. He was friends with Celly and Luna in the comics and friends with Scorpan in the tv show. it sort of works like this: lets say you know how to multiplicate and I do not. Does that mean that I do not know how to do math? No, I could know how to add, subtract, divide or something else instead. I might not know math the way you know, but I can still do math.
And another bit of hole in your theory is why would Starswirl cast an unfinished spell? Twilight did not know what it was supposed to do that's why she cast it, but Star swirl knew what he wanted to do with the spell, he just didnt manage to finish it because he didnt know how.
Brony Notion, that timeline is missing one thing, the time in which Luna became nightmare moon. There is not a real detailed explanation other than luna got jealous of her sister becane nightmare moon. My question is could there have been more to this? Star swirl of bearded books were laying about the castle for all intensive purpose. What if Celestia though she turned that way because of jealously and didn't think that one of star swirls spells did that. What if luna read those books to find out the truth that lead star swirl did become discord and decided to try and use a spell to change him back only to fail and become nightmare moon. Could this be something that could tie in discord and star swirl of bearded to being believable?
im going to have to side with KP on this one.......i dont think theres a way discord can be starswrild. in twilght kindom it says that sombody became freinds with a young startswril and discord was not even around at this point so........ya.
I've read a official book lately: Guide of the two sisters. It's about Luna and Celestia. They write about Starswirl the Bearded and I honestly don't think it could be the same, since in the book, Starswirl the Bearded leads the princesses to the Tree of Harmony. But the first time the sisters use the Elements, Discord doesn't seem to know about them. So that doesn't make sence.
@Carrigan Martin me too! i think that if discord was REALLY starswirled, that megen or the writers would have given some sort of veg hint about discord being starswirled. mabey like in one of megen's tweets or a little hint in a eqeustrian history episode like in a flash back.
@Carrigan Martin but if you read my comment you will read that that pic is not the real star swirl his beard is brown witch further proves the theory of discord being star swirl
as for his take, you can take famous persons we know today but hardly know about without researching. Frued is a name you hear a lot, he's an early psychologist that brought up the topic of sex effecting behaviors. he was the first to do so, so its understandable that there were many mistakes especially with so little done in psychology at the time.
looking him up today, you'll see many mistakes and we even have references and phrases for him because of the mistakes and weird deviancy he had. at the same time, he dedicated an amazing amount of new research into psychology because of him breaking ground that everyone else was afraid to even bring up due to the strict culture and their behavior towards it. psychology is what it is today because of him and yet he's also remembered as an outcast. the benefit from that research is just too good and beneficial.
in mlp, this would be a perfect example as an explanation, equestria runs on magic. it uses magic as its weapons and defenses, for its everyday tasks and more. if star swirl was indeed discord and immortal, its only a matter of time that a bored, undying magician would continuously practice with magic in newer and newer ways trying to pass the time. we can also see evidence of time magic spells being one of discord's tricks while the effects are unknown. he showed twilight exactly what he had said and done in return of harmony p.2. being so engrossed with his own magic potential like twilight was would take up time to even bother making friends. twilight only made friends because they saved each other, she wasn't even trying to make friends when ordered and even surrounded throughout the night with ponies that cared about her safety. as for SS, being unable to satisfy his creativity he could've started to experiment on living creatures and then ponies to see what'd happen and maybe just to poke fun.
OHHH the notion got REAL BUSTED. Cause we find out about his in the season 7 finale. Cause if Starswirl was the teacher of Celestia n Luna then who was the one trapped in stone ??
Who's to say Celestia and Luna weren't already in power when they banished Discord? They already have been ruling Equestria when they turned Discord to stone.
I now think that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded because the resemblance is way too obvious. And if they do say that the IDW Comics are canon to the show then both Princess Celestia and Princess Luna were around and were already princesses when Star Swirl the Bearded were around. I agree that the spell that Princess Celestia gave Twilight did something to Star Swirl the Bearded and nopony found out about it and Princess Celestia didn't realize the disappearance of Star Swirl the Bearded and the appearance of Discord was two of the same thing. If the comics are canon to the show and even though both Meghan Mccarthy and Discord's voice actor John De Lancie has said differently they can lie to hid potential spoilers in the show's future so not to ruin the surprise of it. I think maybe they should reveal that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded in the My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Movie next year. That would be the biggest What a Twist in cartoon history. The only thing that could top that is Ash's dad being revealed to be Team Rocket's boss Giovanni.
I don't think discord is star swirl because in the season 7 finally it was said that star swirl and the pillars of Equestria had made the elements of harmony but then to defeat the Pony of Shadows they had to send the pony of shadows and themselves to Limbo. This all happened before Discord was defeated the first time. Discord can not be Discord because Star swirl was in Limbo while Discord was making chaos everywhere.
The side-canon from the books and comics place starswirl in the castle of the two sisters after the fall of discord. So, this timeline doesn't really work.
Or... Maybe his friends WERE those animals that he has turned into? Just imagine that the monster, with whom Apple Bloom has met in a fiery swamp has not been made by Discord and individually was his friends when he was like...Star Swirl the Bearded? I mean, after all, Fluttershy is a close friend to animals, then why would not he be alike? That would explain the mixed creatures. Maybe they do not represent elements of harmony, so maybe that's why that spell mixed them. Or once the animals had no special talent, the spell changed their body parts and not cutiemarks. And maybe he just tested this spell on the animals and on himself? Sorry for unperfect English. I saw excerpts from the movie with Russian subtitles in your video, so maybe you understand Russian?
I think (like you said) Discord is Star Swirl but he changed himself. I think he didn't intend to make the spell.. He performed the spell then turned himself into discord and losing control of his power and trying to rule Equestria but getting control again and accepts friendship BUT his other side is still evil so he often betrays everyone :3
I’m in the future and if discord was star swirl the bearded he wouldn’t appear because he got transformed but he did come back in season 8 I think he did come back somewhere though but I don’t know which season
Starswirl the bearded does have friends because in the last two episodes of season 7 he comes back with 5 different ponies that are from different legends they and the main six help defeat the shadow pony but Starswirl dosen't seem very friendly
Celestia has been alive for thousands of years and in one of the episodes she had said that star swirl was once her student. you are leaving out info that the show has mentioned
I have my own theory about MLP:FIM the theory is that celestia had this whole thing planned from the start, I mean what are the odds that she would be under that window right at the moment she did her first spell? or why she came in at the right time to turn twilight into a princess? or how she happened to have the book that caused all the problems in the season finally of season 3 which she showed to luna at the beginning of season 3
At first I thought this was just bullshit but now, i believe that something like this actually happen in fact maybe the EXACT same thing could have happened
I hate it, because I'm German and the german version isn't out yet :/ I could watch the english episode, I have no problem understanding it, but I don't want to totally forget the german voices of the mane six XD
I dont think the spell swapped his body parts. Its not like he can become friends with parts of himself. Not too many people focus on wat the spells intentions were. Celestia says that the spell is unfinished and he couldnt get it right but I dont believe her. I think the spell was done, but created for bad intention. "From one to another, another to one, a mark of ones destiny singled out alone fulfilled." Starswirl knew the secret to ascension, its making friends in order to wield the elements. However, he did not have any intention to make friends. If you pay close attention to the spell, it says exactly wat he wants done, which is to switch all the elements except the one meant for him so they are rendered useless and unneecessary for becoming an alicorn. He was trying to cheat the elements. Wat I think happened is when he cast the spell, they didnt switch since the elements didnt belong to one individual each yet to make is easily swappable. Instead, the spell backfired and the elements might have shot their magic at him, but only this time as a chaotic and corrupted magic due to an attempt of mal-use, thus turning him into Discord. Why do you think Celestia leaves Twilight in the dark all the time? She doesnt wana open up secrets in fear Twilight would also become corrupt and lose another successor. Proof? Sunset Shimmer. She also knew ascension was in her future and became corrupt with the thought of power. Shes also the first and only pony we've seen use an element for mal-use and as a result, it made corrupt magic and transformed her.
Isn't there a book that revealed that Celestia and Luna were chosen by Star Swirl to rule Equestria? Also, I have my own theory: Star Swirl is King Sombra.
I disagree because in one episode celestia explains that discord was born with his parents but lost them in a fight and celestia and luna found discord after their parents died and became friends . After a long friendship with celestia and luna discord became power hungry and took over equestria. At that time celestia and luna were already old enough to rule peacefully while discord was older and able to control his powers.
Lots of people have mentioned the comics, tbh, I actually haven't read them, but in most cases discrepancies from the show would give it a different canon, so that the occurrences and history of the show and comic can differ greatly. It's just a thought though :) /)))
@Storm Analysis To be fair, the show is very confusing regarding it's lore before Celestia's monarchy. Sure, they showed the imprisionment of Discord and Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon, but they don't really tell us when did Scorpan and Tirek came into Equestria, or what events lead to Discord becoming the tyrant of Equestria... Or more importantly, how Celestia and Luna archieved alicorn status.
"You've done something today that's never been done before, something even a great magician like Star Swirl the Bearded was not able to do. Because he did not understand friendship like you do."
0:48, you forgot when Starswirl befriended Scorpan while the Princessess were...also...around? But I thought the Princesses showed up out of nowhere to kick Discord's sorry but. After all, he did rule in an "eternal" state before they came to save the (third person referred to) ponies of Equestria.
I personally don't believe Starswirl became Discord. I believe Starswirl was working on his spell when he disappeared, hence making it unfinished. Later on, Discord was born, but as a pony who becomes cursed later on. Also, SOMEpony has had to put two and two together! We GOTTA know!
Maaan.... People are so stubborn this days... If they say that Discord is not Star Swirl, then he is NOT Star Swirl! Come on, even the comics never connect these characters!!! (They only say that Star Swirl was similar to Pinkie Pie) It doesn't make sense, because Draconyus and Ponies are different species. If Star Swirl really turned hymself into a monster don't you think that Celestia would have knowen?? (She's a freaking Alicorn for god sake!!!!) And instead , in return of Harmony, she would have said: Discord was a unicorn who abuse of his powers and turned into a monster!!! And not: Discord IS THE SPIRT OF DISHARMONY, he ruled Equestria bla bla.... So no, for me Discord is just another type of creature but nothing to do with Star Swirl! I support ILoveKimPossibleAlot's theory!
ORRRRRR he lived even before Celestia and Luna were even close to being past their foal years so they could have almost 0 information about him since they didn't know anything about the great wizard besides what was written and he could have hidden that secret for as long as he has been alive now so he could observe the elements of harmony in peace and tests Equestria to find the true owners of the Elements of Harmony through his chaotic mischief but has no real intentions of destroying it or ruling it. Discord is the god of chaos so he could literally plummet them into a hellish (cartoon style) existence without even wasting a breath if his real intentions were like that. Who knows who Starswirl really is though to be honest but him being Discord isn't as strange as you might think and does make a fair amount of sense.
Closer than you are even allowing yourself to think. Both of our theories are false until it is made official. You seem to think that Celestia is more powerful than Discord which is hilarious at best.
@Divine Shadow I don't think that celestia is the most powerfull creature Do be honest, I would love discord as the new King of equestria!, but if you think that you're theory is right...Explain to me why was star swirl living with celestia. In one of the comics, we see both of them traveling trough the mirror. They did lived at the same time, and Star swirl maybe saw discord fall. But they are not the same person. When the writers of the serie tell you that he's not, then he's not. End of story. You can wacth all the mlp episode until you die, but you'll never see star swirl turn into discord because they are not the same person!!!
@Jade Faury Even if they did spend time together that still doesn't disprove the theory at all Jade. Also who on the writing team said that Discord wasn't Star Swirl the Bearded? I'm pretty sure De Lancie doesn't write for them but is just the VA for Discord. Also please work on your grammar so I can better understand what you say properly because it's very hard to decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.
@Divine Shadow Sorry for the gramar, I know a lot of people say that to me, but its still hard to get it all right!!! (Sorry for that bro! I'll get better! :p ) Haven't you seen the ilikekimpossiblealot video about that? At one momento she shows a tumblr ubtate from discord who says that he is not star swirl the bearded. That theory that everyone loves and hate is just that: A fanart... Just like DiscordxCelestia (witch the writers totally destroyed saying us that there was nothing between this two characters T_T its a shame) Discordx Fluttershy or even human versions of them! (Oh wait, they did a movie about it already, didn't go very well...) My point is that, the theory of discord been star swirl the bearded is fun and entretaning, but its just that: A theory. An hasbro is not magicly gonna exhaus all our wishes. They don't make theories come true if they don't like, and this one doesn't seem like an exception...
@Jade Faury The tumblr of discord doesn't mean it's the exact person who voices Discord because I'm pretty sure he has a lot more things to do then post on tumblr (I'm not even famous and I have better things to do than be on tumblr) the only person who has full control of the entire show and which direction it goes in is Lauren Faust or whoever else is in charge of the show. I haven't seen or heard her say anything about it so the theory still stands for the most part. Romance being as clean as day in MLP will never happen unless someone makes an 18+ version (if I had the animation skills I would have already done this just to help out the fans and my own desires) honestly whether it's true or false it's still pretty cool :p
Also grammar takes time trust me I know. You do NOT wanna see my comments from 2010 because you would never understand them that's how bad it was.
Just double check your paragraphs or sentences when you write something out to fix any mistakes that's what I do c:
@Divine Shadow Thanks for the advice! :3 Now that I remember, I think it wasen't tumblr, I think it was twitter! (I kind of counfuse them) But seriously, if you haven't seen that episode from KP, I highly suggest you do it now, then we can talk. I realize that there is nothing that I can do to convince you, but it was surely entretaning. Thanks anyways, and maybe in time the answers to our questions will be revealed.
@Jade Faury I've seen her video a long time ago (I was a big fan of hers :p and might just go back and re-watch some episodes now :p) Also you're very welcome and I see that your reply was very clear so I hope that i could be of some use so now only can you get your point across but also avoid most of the jerks on the internet ~hugs~ :) hopefully we can get a clear answer someday but for now lets just get excited for Season 5! :D
What if the town knew about starswirl disappearing and discord appearing maybe they thought discord did something with starswirl and turned their backs on him. That could've made him angry, and caused him to take over equestria.
can u do a video on how long ponies live for? Twilight was just a filly when first went to the summer sun celebration or whatever it's called. About 20 people years later, its been another 1000 years and she goes to the same celebration again. Henceforth, nightmare moon comes. Why does a pony year take so long?
I agree with the timeline on all except ONE major point. I don't think he turned into Discord. I think the evidence points to him turning into Sombra instead. I mean, when you think about it, he has a lot more in common with Sombra than with Discord. Let's break it down.
Star Swirl - unicorn with crazy amounts of powerful magic. Sombra - unicorn with crazy amounts of powerful magic.
Star Swirl - existed before the time of Luna and Celestia. How long before, or if he was a contemporary of theirs, is unknown. The inclusion of a whole wing of their royal library suggests they had tremendous respect for him, and possibly knew him.
Sombra - while unknown, the fact that the Crystal Empire had no place in known Equestrian History until it resurfaced suggests it has been gone for a very significant amount of time. Luna and Celestia were the ones who stopped Sombra, but at what point in their timeline is unknown. It likely occured sometime after their defeat of discord (they had the Elements of Harmony?) but possibly before they truly took power.
Star Swirl - Tried and failed to give himself the magic of Alicorns.
Sombra - Seems to have a twisted version of Alicorn magic (given Twilight immediately using his sort of magic when Zecora told her to use such magic).
Star Swirl - Seems to have been friendless by the end of his career/life (given that he never finished the spell that switched cutie marks). With friends weilding the Elements of Harmony, the spell transformed Twilight into an Alicorn- at the cost of her previous body. Seriously, her old body gets obliterated, and the next time we see her (physically), she has wings.
Sombra - Without friends, what effect might that spell have had on a pony? The further away from a source of a particular magic, Sombra was disembodied. A single magic crystal (the crystal heart) was what allowed him to take form. Twilight's friends all had magic crystals as well (the Elements of Harmony), and her transformation into Alicorn was a success. But who's to say what might have happened if someone had tried to do it on their own, with only one magic gem?
Star Swirl - certainly involved in the ruling and politics of the unicorn race in pre-equestrian days, but seems to have moved out of those lands before the formation of Equestria, evidenced by the fact that it is his pupil who helps form the new nation, not him.
Sombra - CERTAINLY involved in the ruling and politics of the Crystal Empire.
And last but not least,
Star Swirl - his title isn't "The Magnificent", or "the Great", but "The Bearded". Given what we've seen of male ponies in the MLP universe, facial hair really rare. Who's the only other male pony we've seen with facial hair (besides that one foreign dignitary) and who MAY have been alive before Celestia and Luna took power?
Sombra - Has sweet sideburns, yo.
That's my thoughts on the subject. Maybe I'll make a video like this one describing this theory, but with pictures and clips. Still, I'd love to hear what you all have to say!
One plot hole. Starswirl was still alive when tirek and his brother arrived and at that time the two sisters were in power. This means star swirl couldn't have been sombra because it would be recorded history of his transformation. The reason I say this is because if star swirl was sombra then the writers had a very easy and good moment to make it canon and didn't. We gave to remember that this stuff is all written and if they wanted it they would tell us when the moment was litterly RIGHT there in season 3.
Its this plot hole that disproves him being discord as well. Since the sisters were in power when tirek arrived mean discord was stone. (Anyone who says time travel shouldn't. Only one case of time travel, which was going to the past, was made canon)
Of course this is all belief in the end. And your entitled to your opinion. My however is that star swirl was never a villian... Unless they make him his own separate one in the future.
Remember discord was a type of known species and sombra was before gone before starswirl was gone.
@CesarTheKing sombra wasn't originally an unicorn he was an earth pony who was somewhat adept at magic which all ponys posses and wished to obtain more power and used blackmagic to make himself an unicorn but well black magic made him evil
@Lemon Square That's a very good point, but I'm not entirely sure. We really don't have any idea at what time the Crystal Empire vanished. One way it might have gone is this:
Of course, every point in that scale is interchangeable except for the Windigoes and Nightmare Moon (and even then, the sirens might have been before the windigoes, but that plays in to my other theory that they were one and the same, so sirens' banishment would be later), but Sombra coming after Tirek works with my theory.
@CesarTheKing that's true. Something to note is that wherever tirek was in this timeline is, star swirl is before him. So in a way its kinda dictated by when tirek was. So if the writers make a timeline for us we may be able to prove or disprove the sombra thing by that alone.
@Lemon Square Agreed. We need an MLP version of the Hyrule Historia or something else with an official historical timeline. Until then (or something else in the show) happens, I'll stick with my theory.
+CesarTheKing We see Sombra's true form in the season 3 pilot, though. Celestia and Luna reverted him to it when they defeated him. And he appears before Twilight and her friends in it when they first see him in person.
Well, its a real, physical comic, by IDW, you have to go to your local comic store to get it, and hope they have a copy, or even carry mlp comics. The other option is going to the idw website and buying a digital copy , or ordering the comics online
If starswirls the bearded turned to discord with he´s last spell he wrote in his book, then would he turn to starswirls the bearded again if he would use the same spell twilight wrote to become a princess.
I have to agree that discord is starswirl the bearded. But I realize that I thought that the spell should turn that turn them into discord was this unfinished spell that turned twilight into an alicorn, but, he made a few friends so, now that he's made some friends shouldn't that have turned it back into starswirl the bearded if he is starworld? I mean the spell is because he didn't have friends but now that he has friends shouldn't he be starswirle again. I mean Celestetia even says it herself that he did not understand friendship like twilight so shouldn't he be starswirl again.
broney you realize this is connected to other theories of yours. like the one where twilight time traveld and became clover the clever. and the one where celestia and luna are from an alicorn civilization. like for example, in the alicorn civilization theory, you said luna and celestia noticed that the equestria was falling appart, in this case discord was tearing it appart because he wanted to have "fun" so they came to equestria and turned discord to stone and the rest of the timeline goes on. and the one where twilight time travels i came up with the idea that twilight migh have been the ACTUAL pony that then TAUGHT star swirl the spell without noticing she changed the future to its actual self because she sees star swirl didn't know the spell wich lead to this whole body morph thing. and i can also state that star swirl DID have a friend. in this case, clover the clever, or time travel twilight. in this little theory at that point of history star swirl was more lighthearted so he made friends with twilight. but later on he KNOWS that twilight time-traveled and he ALSO creates the time travel spell she used in the episode, but since he felt betrayed by a friend that seemed to trust him but didn't trust him enough to tell him she time traveled and tell him she was an alicorn too so he started to loose all the friends he HAD because he started treating them like they would do what twilight did. this is what leads to the inmortality spell. because at one point he realizes he's getting old and he's gonna die, but he wants to prove himself stronger that twilight so he discovers an inmortality spell, wich he uses on himself and keeps a secret so no one would be too overpowered, but sadly the overpowered one was him. this leads to all of your theory when he decides to use twilights cutiemark changing spell, but he DID use it, although twilight never noticed she never told star swirl the antidote spell for the cutie mark swap, so since he used the spell on himself, it was permanent. another thing is that, since the cutie mark spell changed the main 6's personality, it changed his too. from a warm-hearted sweet man, to a horrible stone-hearted creature, but since somehow FLUTTERSHY managed to turn discord into who he was when he was star swirl later in the season we know he's who he was again. false, because like i stated earlier the spell WAS permanent, and not only for that but because only one pony was willing to trust discord, wich is fluttershy so discord didn't fully change back to his old self, so he didn't morph back to a pony and still has a teensy bit of mischief in his personality. if u read this plz make it into a vid bye!
@The Brony Notion To add to your theory in S.3 Ep.11 "Keep Calm and Flutter On" Discord admit's the Flutter Shy is in fact his very first friend. Thus proving that if he was Star Swirl the Bearded he indeed had no friend's as Star Swirled. (Plus who can get over that beard and those eye brows on Discord and Star Swirled! XD )
I beleive you...... well sorta. And Celestia's story was very convincing at first, that Discord was evil. But there is another side to the story to. Witch I hope you do a video on Discord's side to the story.
Acually, I watched a video by Ink Rose about the history of Celestia and Luna, and it said that when discord was a baby, he was friends with young tia and luna. Then, when they grew older and stopped playing with him, he got mad and decided to turn evil just like his parents. Then, Tia and Luna defeated him and rules until Nightmare moon was banished. And, star swirl couldn't of been alive when the race of alicorns were. So, that prooves that StarSwirl and Discord are NOT the same person
starswirl does have friends they used to use the elements of harmony. then they rose up against the pony of shadows and took him to limbo and they got stuck.
I actually agree with I love Kim possible, this is because if that spell that star swirl used was against friendship and it turned into discord, then now that he's made a few friends and earn their trust, that his spell is now undone, then shouldn't discord have a transform back into star swirl the bearded, it's a theory but I believe that he is not starswirl because friendship should turn him back, sense no friendship turned him into discord pension friendship turn him back please put this into and video PS I am one of your biggest fans
I also wanted to add on that if starswirl was discord then he would've told Celestial for help and he must'v, but, if this was true then shouldn't she and Luna be hesitant to do anything like she was to do anything for nightmare moon and a little bit for Crystalis (but that's not the point I think it was only to let her finish her statement and to find out her whole plan)
I think it works because, in the comics, Star Swirl is said to behave like Pinkie Pie, yet hold grudges VERY easily. This fits Discords character as he is very up-beat, likes to play 'jokes' and doesn't seem to forgive what twilight or her friends did to him because he still tries to cause a little trouble between them all.
I would understand why Discord is Star Swirl. First off, he has a resemblance to the unicorn simply by his white beard and eyebrows. It makes sense further than that, but I don't know how to put it in words.
Also Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that I'm not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did disappear... But we couldn't be exactly sure if Discord is actually Star Swirled.
Also Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that I'm not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did disappear... But we couldn't be exactly sure if Discord is actually Star Swirled.
This theory is possible unless Hasbro FINALLY comes to their senses and makes an episode and explains why Star Swirl is so popular and who he was. I mean honestly if Twilight likes him so much and Ponyville has a museum for him, tell us about him Hasbro!
That would be really cool. I mean it is the offical story of them. However, I read it and it said the princesses were blank flanks when they become princess, so why did they need to rise the sun and moon in the first place as princesses when still blank flanks.
@TNT Gaming My theory is he's going to play a big part in season 5 finale. Twilight is a princess, has a title and a mission I think the map will take the mane 6 to the past and we'll finally understand was StarSwirl isall about.
I think it's more reasonable to think he got trapped in a book or something once discord is ruled out by what I said before, and that the princesses only knew that one day someone would come and free him. Once Celestia also knew it was Twilights density to be a princess one day and not just remain a normal pony so she could in fact know that Star is trapped and Twilight is strong enough to save him. I'd make a interesting season final to go on a quest and find this book that happens to have Star.
Also to prove this theory star-swirl and discord both have bushy eyebrows and a beard..... So it could possibly be completely true that they are the same pony draconakiss thing something like that
I'm sorry, but this is you're first video I've had to disagree on, I don't really think it's possible that Discord could be Star Swirled. Anyway, even if fan logic works, I don't think the writers will follow up on that. It's just too hard to belive. Sorry Notion. .__.
+bonnie bunny i know rght from the show we know that both her and luna are over 1000 years old but it dos not show how old thay are i think that Celestia was a teen ween dicord came and the same with luna
Much over a millenia because she said that she was young when Star Swirl was her teacher, just before he disappeared by banishing the Shadow Pony, which by the way, was said to be over a millenia ago.
And here i thought my crazy theory was mine and mine alone. i'm not disappointed. ^^ Seriously, the fact that others believe that this is real makes me even more happy to know that it's very possible.
1. Both Discord and Starswirl have facial hair. What other pony, unicorn, Pegasus, or alicorn has/had facial hair? 2. Luna definitely knew or at least had met Starswirl the Bearded because she had complimented Twilight's Starswirl costume saying how much like him it was. 3. Since Luna knew him Celestia would have knew him as well and could have been acquaintances, allies, or even friends. Starswirl would have aided in the defeat of Discord or at least would have been mentioned helping them but wasn't. Discord had to have been Starswirl at some point before the spell went wrong. Not only did it scramble his body but it scrambled his mind as well so there's a possibility he doesn't fully remember being a unicorn or just doesn't want to go back to being one due to the limitations. 4. Starswirl's hat and cape could have been hiding somethings such as a missing cutie mark or a horn that could of been the result of experimenting with spells before they fully transformed him. 5. Could Starswirl have any family?
oh yea I can't believe I forgot about him he was a quirky character. I'd still love to see an equestrian(as in horse/pony-like creature) with facial hair other than donkey scruff
So I've searched google and wiki some more and it turns out there are others with facial hair in my little pony such as; Ace Point(mustache/sideburns), Sunburst(goatee), King Sombra(sideburns), Barber Groomsby(mustache), and probably quite a lot more. I would love to know how they shave; unicorns can use magic but do earth ponies have to go to the barber or have someone else help them? If not do they use their hooves? Do Pegasuses grown in feathers and/or hair? I'll explore more than come back to these questions if I can.
Other ponies in the show have had facial hair. And I do like how you brought up the point that Starswirl was close to Celestia and Luna, as Celestia only said "Starswirl did not understand friendship like you did, Twilight". She never mentions him having a lack of friends, just that he didn't understand it. But it's already established canon that Starswirl disappeared before the reign of Discord, so he couldn't have aided in his defeat. I also like how you say the spell could've scrambled his mind, not just his body as most theorists seem to ignore that the uncompleted spell also made the Mane Six forget who they were suppose to be.
And as for your comment about ponies shaving, they probably use their hooves, as hooves work like hands in Equestria, but we can still see that there are barbers in the show, and Pegasi, probably grow with hair/fur, as the only part of them that has feathers is their wings.
Thanks ^_^ and perhaps there can be a multi-universe episode with different twilights, and other characters but perhaps only one Discord. I also wonder if there are any ponies out there that are as naked as a naked mole rat or sphynx cat X3. they would definitely need help making friends just like Thorax did. Or maybe Rarity could design clothes for them to cover up their nudeness.
You want proof that starts swirl isn't Discord well on a two-part season finale you get your proof
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Die Hasis2018-08-30 10:07:13 (edited 2018-08-30 10:09:52 )
Or maybe starswirl is trapped in another dimension with another group of 5 ponys like the mane 6 (let's just call them the pillars) because the pony who brought them together (let's call him mysterious jelous pony. Or maybe something shorter. Stygian. Perfect.) got jealous of them because they defeated villans and they were admired but stygian didn't have any powerful magic so he stole the (...the pillars elements of harmony? But they didn't have the elements and they weren't really friends either... their artifacts, objects importand for them, just like the mane 6 keys, the ones for the chest of twilights castle) pillars artifacts to make copies of them to get stronger magic but the pillars thought he wanted their power for themselves so they didn't want him anymoren and then stygian turned evil (kind of like nightmare moon. We need a villan name for him. He's the Shadowpony now. Yeah, let's take that name) and the pillars had to fight him and they trapped the shadowpony in another dimension but they had to go there too and now they are trapped in another dimension and maybe twilight will try to free them but by doing that she also frees the shadowpony and they have to fight him again but Starlight Glimmer who is good now by the way thinks it's just a misunderstanding and a friendship problem and it actually is but Starswirl doesn't believe her and they try to trap him again but then Twilight realizes that stygian is still in the shadow pony and they get him out of there and they get him back and they ban the Shadow part of the shadow pony in the other dimension again and the friendship problem is solved. Then the pillars go and explore the modern Equestria and everyone is happy. Yay! This is just a theory. Ok, no, I'm just kidding, I know what is going to happen. 😂 But this was fun!
In Twilight's Kingdom pt 2, we see that discord hands celestia some flowers. Now as people say, discord and celestia were dating. That means Discord used to have some good in him. It might NOT have been discord's form NOW. But back then, you never know! Why do you think Celestia knows so much about Starswirl? THEY USED TO DATE!! DUH!! So maybe, just MAYBE... Starswirl and Celastia were together. Then when Starswirl casted that spell, he became Discord. The king of chaos! What do you guys think? Leave a comment and share!
Also Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that Im not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did dissapear... But we couldnt be exactly sure if Discord is actully Star Swirled.
i think that Discord IS star swirl the bearded because when Twilight said Star's spell it switched the cutie marks of her friends which caused chaos in Equestria like when Discord tried to take over Equestria.
"After we found the elements of Harmony" Celestia......you have been living by them in you old castle for about decades and you knew it. The only resin for you and your sister to build you old castle right by the ravine where the tree of harmony was because you and your sister found the tree of harmony.........that all happened before you got your cutie mark. Before people you say this is wrong let me tell you there is proof. Read The journal of the two sister! O3O win win
Maybe Discord/Starswirl turned mad after the transformation into Discord, and after that he took over Equestria, forgetting who he used to be and what he could of been.
Please read the journal of the two sisters, brony notion. It would seriously provide some light on this subject, and it does reveal some important details on equestrian history
You have some good ideas and theroies but another thing the 2 sisters were only fillies to teenagers when vthe book was placed saying nothing about how he was turned into discord even if that would make a great plot line. He hlped them lurn how to raise the sun and the moon after he nearly lst all of his magic doing it by himself.!
Actually, Discord ISN'T Starswirl. In the season 7 finale, Sonambula, the strong pony, the masked Matterhorn (?), Starswirl himself and the rest of the pillars actually return to Equestria after being in Limbo for 1,000 years. And so does the pony of shadows (which proves Sombra is not the pony of shadows). And did u know that Celestia is over 3,000 years old?
So, does nobody take the Journal of the Two Sisters as canon? Star Swirl was present when Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks and ascended to the throne.
Hey Brony Notion. Is there a chance you could make a video, and tell us why you ship Fluttercord? I'm curious. (Plus I'm a Fluttercord shipper myself.)
I disagree with your thought. Even thought you got good ideas, it's logically impossible. For me, I believe discord, was always discord. And I had Hurd that stAr swirl did die. U need a bit more evidence for your theory
Aw man! What a stupid coincedence! I was watch that Narnia film with my mom for the first tima a few minutes ago, but we had to pause it because she had to do some errands. We haven't seen the whole dragon part again so this was a really unexpected spoiler!
Ok, when Celestia said he didn't understand friendship like Twilight, doesn't mean Starswirl the Bearded didn't had friends. It said, "Doesn't understand." But oh well.
In season four discord was like not like evil anymore but he turned his mind to tirek and helped him gain magic so discord became evil and tirek gave discord a medallion tirek said it represents his gratitude and loyalty to discord tirek lied to discord about that and discord noticed he betrayed his friends but he turned his mind to twilight and gave the medallion to her and said it was a sign of his friendship (discord was telling the truth) and it's the time twilight got her castle and defeated tirek
Celestia never said Starswirl had no friends, only that he did not understand friendship like Twilight does and being the Princess of Friendship she better have a better understanding of friendship than any other pony before her. Also if you take the Journal of the Two sisters into count, Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl, also that Starswirl and 5 other unicorns were in charge of the sun and moon cycles, so it may be safe to say that Clover the Clever was one of the 5 unicorns? I think its safe to say Celestia and Luna were around at the founding of Equestria perhaps not playing a key role seeing in the comics Celestia and Starswirl interact with each other even going dimension hoping together. It's also stated the Starswirl once attempted to raise the sun himself and depleted his magic in the attempt ultimately failing to raise the sun. So seeing Starswirl is weaker than Celestia and Luna, and all three existed at the same time, how would Starswirl ever gain enough power to where it forced two alicorns to use the Elements of harmony to defeat him?
I agree with your argument. If you look at Discord and Star Swirl, Discord has the same white as Star Swirl. Look at Discord's eyebrows, and beard. Star Swirl's beard and mane spread to his face, and tail. Also, Discord DOES have a head of a pony, and his pony head is grey. Like Star Swirl's coat color. Coincidence? I think not.
So baisicly a simple rumor of the fans caused disharmony across the internet? Yeah discord probably started the rumor... But seriously unless its on the show is there really a point in arguing over your favorite rumor? I guess its fun to compare ideas but some of the crazier fans will take it to far and start an internet war... Well thats all i had to say. Sayo~nya~ra!
All of that makes sense but I wanna say something twilights frenids didn't remember who they were so starswil didn't and if he did then he would probably tell princess celestia that he was starswirl and if she didn't then he would find a way to.
i think that discord is both because in one of the episodes star swirl is back and gets to live in equestria again but discord still has been roaming around. but it would be cool if it was because discord wasn't in the whole episode.
I recently discovered another reason why discord could be star swirl!! So we know from Rainbow Rocks that Star Swirl knew a spell to banish the sirens to another dimension through a portal, right? Well, in mlp series 5 episode 7, we see discord, almost at the end of the episode, use his claw to open up a portal TO ANOTHER DIMENSION!!! the evidence is there, I'm just saying....
@The Brony Notion are you saying that not even Celestia nor Luna knew ANYTHING about star swirl the bearded's transformation? Also, when discord was reformed, how come he didn't return to his original state? When you explained that the reason of star swirl's "body swicharo" was because of the magic spell, it kinda made sense. But now i'm wondering. If the magic of friendship was able to give the ponies back their cutie marks after they had switched, how come the reformation of discord didn't turn him back to star swirl? He could have done that on purpose, but if not, the theory still makes sense. :) I hope you consider my thoughts on this intresting theory, ~Kitty
Wouldn't it be great if this was confirmed and he turned back? It'd be bad in a lot of ways though.. fluttershy likes him most likely because he is a mix of animals, and that's her talent. What if he transformed back, and instead of fluttershy liking him, now twilight does.. after all, she obsesses over starswirl for a while. And I mean just close friend liking, not a relationship or whatever.
You said that maybe they didn't realize Discord was Star Swirl because they didn't think the events were connected, but just saying, maybe they thought Discord killed/ captured Star Swirl? This is just a random idea, don't mean to be rude.
Starswirl the Bearded isn't a popular pony of sorts like an alicorn. He is getting to look more weaker as Starlight Glimmer in Season 5: Episode 24-25 and Season 3 or 4 finale when Twilight breaks the spell of the switched cutie marks. I would say that Starswirl looks to be weak and more unlikely to be god if ever. Does anyone agree to this? Adding Starswirl the Bearded really doesn't glimmer anything like no one did this because many of his spells were possible and I'm sure if a powerful unicorn like Starlight Glimmer and Twilight, the princess of friendship, then Celestia, Luna or even possibly every single unicorn can do these spells.
he doesn't have enough evidence that star swirl turned into discord. it never proves or disproves that he did so... technical no body knows for sure that discord is star swirl
I think mlp would be a much more interesting series if these theories where true.
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a fellow.2018-02-24 23:47:25 (edited 2018-02-24 23:50:25 )
Watch the season 7 finale.
Edit: Wow, so many headcanons are being destroyed in season 7! Applejack's parents, the Shadow Pony, the Starswirl the Bearded = Discord Theory, and some other small ones.
I know this is an old post but I have to point out that Discord is to Star Swirl bc Celestia said Star Swirl had no friends, neither did Discord (until the mane six.) Discord was maybe looking for friends bc he had none in his past form and is trying to understand it like Twilight? he never knew what it was or felt like so he doesn't know how to act in friendship. that's why he acts so well mean when he's with the mane six (with the exception of Fluttershy bc she understands him)
i like how you changed your character. But i don`t your theory is right. I think that star swirl the bearded acutally never had friends so he didn`t understand friendship, he wrote the spell to try and understand friendship, but scince he never had friends, he could not get the spell properly. I think he left that spell, because he new a young pony will perfectify the true spell of friendship.
Wait a minute in the book the journal of the two sisters star swirl had a brown beard but if he turned into discord how is discord still alive one of star swirls never ending life spells from his library?
if discord really is made up of switched parts because just as the cutie mark switching spell SWAPPED the cutie marks the spell would have to switch body parts so the other creatures who took part in the switching would be associated with the hybrid discord and so remembered in history
TheBronyNotion I have another theory of why discord and star swirl the bearded are the same,
Celestia said that star swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship so he didn't have any friends. But in the episode "Keep calm and Flutter on" Discord didn't have any friends too and he didn't want to lose his only friend Fluttershy and then learnt about friendship. Besides! Star swirl's and Discord's beard are similar! So um yeah, this is my theory but I might be wrong...WHO KNOWS? (Only hasbro XD)
Could you please do "who or what is the Spirit of Harmony?" Because discord is the mischievous spirit of disharmony and you did a video about the elements of disharmony so, COULD YOU PLEASE DO IT? PLEASE!!!!
Discord said "Because we're FRIENDS" to someone (I forgot :3) and that means that Discord and Flutters are FRIENDS nothing else I dont think the writers are gonna let a 19 year old pony and a 1000+ spirit of chaos be together it- its just wrong
I don't honestly think discord is star swirled the bearded.#1 because as far I know from reading all the mlp idw comics star swirled the bearded is dead. And there is a couple pages with discord and star swirled talking to each other in an alternative universe.#2 Since discord was imprisoned in stone for a while it is unlikely that he had the possibility of somehow being in star swirled's body at that time.
You are wrong because if you look near the end of the return of the crystal empire part two, Luna holds up a book with star swirls cutie mark on it. Meaning that star swirl must have messed up a spell corrupting him making him turn into the corrupted version of himself: King Sombra!
hmmmmm... this would make a lot... and i mean a LOT of sense because of discord's beard AND the fact that like starswirled, his pony form is that of a GRAY pony. perhaps the tornado cutie mark on discord has pinpoints of light inside... as most ponies names also reflect their cutie marks... Star, swirled... swirling stars, it makes sense.
I think starsworld the beard wanted to see celestia grow up so he used a time age spell thingy and it goes wrong but his shadow took all the magic from him and he changed to discord but his shadow is the shadow pony
You and kp are correct because of the multi verse theory made by conspirapony about how all head cannons and stuff are true in different dimensions of the same show so if I were to say that derpy is a leader of equestria who rules over in a age of prosperity a d muffins it would be true In 1 mlp dimension 😃
Anyone else notice that at 1:16 the symbol around Celestia's head is Twilight's cutie mark? I know it's supposed to be her magic, but makes me wonder...
I have ahypothisis , I believe that Star swirl is the pony version or the great wizard Merlin.I've thought this since I first heard the name Canterlotand his name, Canterlot is clearly Camelot like Manehatten is Manhattan or anyof the other horse named cities. Merlin was a great wizard from somewhere in the british isle, though no one can clearly point where, and he was to help Arthur become a great king, and as leagand says he will reappear when arthur is reborne, in mlp we know there is a arrogent selfish pratty, prince named blueblood, who is Luna and celestias nephew and cadance's cousin, suggesting there is another royal yet to be named, if we look at the show merlin, it too shows arthur as arrogent and pratty, so if a combine of these to, it could show that maybe blueblood is the pony version of arthur, and starswirl didnt get exiled but is just waiting for " arthurs" reincarnate prehaps is it blueblood but since the show focuses on twilight she could be the reincarnate in the movie avalon high arthur was reincarnate into a girl maybe that could have happened here that could help with your other vids like the one saying twilight is clover the clever maybe she was and was simply reincarnate the show never really shows death so I could be wrong I would love to hear what you think about this point of view and love to hear what your opinion on the magic ties with merlin concepts.
that couldn't be true because Starswirl teaches Celestia and Luna lots of new spells and Celestia, Luna knew Discord as a baby draconacus already and Discord hid from other ponies so Starswirl is not Discord.
But IF Discord IS StarSwirl, what spell turned him from a Unicorn to a draconequus? have we ever seen any spell like this, and then it would turn his whole mind set and basically make his mental age that of a childs....
So, the spirit of chaos took over the world and then was banished for a 1,000 years, making an age of peace. Then, the spirit of chaos was loosed for a short time before being bound again and then put through a process that turns him peaceful. Anyone else notice that they used the Book of Revelation as a model for the timeline of Equestria? From that perspective, the Equestria we know is the promised New Earth. Yes, there are deviations. I'm only saying that they used Revelation's imagery and apparent "timeline" as a starting point for their own stories.
Also, was Discord banished before the time of the Sun and Moon, or after Celestia and Luna had taken up their diurnal posts? I don't recall that ever being mentioned.
there is a thing you where wrong. Princess Celestia said that Star Swril the Bearded didnt understand friendship like Twilight. BUT she didnt say that he didnt had any friedns. hope im not too late to write it :)
Star Swirl Is actully not Discord but they almost have the same powers like traveling dimensions or making portals and star swirl was not immortal the last spell he encounter was before star swirl died and Scorpan befriended star swirl for support so that means star swirl does have friends like clover the clever was his mentor or a student or apprentice and having a friend is like meeting someone and having a little talk or if you are a kid then you play or if it last long they are friends or as you known his/her for a long time and being someones mentor takes like a wizards apprentice and discord was actully around when Star Swirl was around and the spell "From one to another, another to one. A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled." it was an unfinished spell so that means star swirl died When he made the spell
What if discord is not the only person to know Star Swirl the bearded transformed into discord, what if Celestia knows too? In "keep calm and flutter on" Celestia says that his magic could be used for good (maybe like he used too as star swirled the bearded), and in "magical mystery cure" Celestia clearly states that she felt star swirled the bearded was great at magic, but what if for some reason both of them are keeping it a secret. Also in your other video about mlp's mythological creatures and how discord could have created the chimera-like creature, but what if it was created when star swirled the bearded transformed? If you think about it the chimera is a lion, snake and goat all put together and discord has a goat leg, a snake tail, and a lions paw. the only problem is that there was not a lion, but a tiger so I was wondering what you thought about this?
A thereby to why discord is star swirl the bearded is that star swirl had an unusually long beard and Tail that were both white and discord has a beard and a tuft or white tail.
I have a question. I think that Discord is Star Swirl but why did he change his name to discord. It obviously means something. Its not showing up as a misspelled word as most names are. So what does it mean?
i say that Discord was born around the same the that Celestia was born. why do i say this u may ask. well i saw a video about the history of Celestia, Luna, and Discord. she said that Celestia and Luna's father and mother went to war with Discord's mom and dad but the 3 kids didn't know this so when they saw the small strange creature, Discord they asked him what he was doing. he said he was looking for his parents so the 3 decide to go look for moms and dads they find equestria and after that Discord didn't feel at home at equestria being rejected by every pony. then his destiny took over him and plunged equestria into CrAsY WaCkY ok u know what i mean. but this is made up but i do like the theory of it like this comment if u agree
I liked Ink rose's story too but, I highly doubt the story itself is true though, the part about them being born at around the same time is a good idea
I don't think Discord is Star Swirl, because I remember an episode of mlp that showed Celestia's past . . . and she was friends with Discord while he was still a young child but they became enemies because of a war between there species . . . I think it might have been a fan made video on YouTube.
I think star swirl was dead and discord was friends with the princesses or had a realashinship with them and they had an accident and then discord turned against them for that cause and tried taking over equestria and if the princesses don't recognize discord it's possible that discord put a spell on them at all.but also a chance you are right that discord is star swirl.
my og theory was that celestia and discord used to be a thing but then she broke his heart so he decided to become the supreme of disharmony as “revenge” or as a way to cope with the pain so then celestia defeated him and claims he was a for but on the inside shes heartbroken
Well, Discord MIGHT be Star Swirl, but your evidence for that is incorrect. Star Swirl had friends. "The Journal of the Two Sisters" says he was friends with Celestia and Luna, and "The Journal of the Two Sisters" is canon because it's in the show and Twilight read a bit out loud. Celestia did say he didn't understand friendship like Twilight does, but that doesn't mean he didn't understand friendship at all. He just didn't understand it as well as Twilight does. And Luna and Celestia were definitely already princesses when they defeated Discord, even if you don't consider "The Journal of the Two Sisters" canon. They already were wearing crowns. But Star Swirl turning into Discord would explain a few things. For example, why would Celestia and Luna not try to defeat Discord right away? They didn't want to hurt their friend and they only used the Elements of Harmony to defeat him when he became too much of a problem. How in the world were Celestia and Luna able to use the Elements of Harmony when Celestia was a bad friend and unkind (she didn't do anything about Luna's suffering), meaning she isn't the Element of Kindness or the Element of Magic (that does mean he magic of friendship, right?), and Luna was probably miserable and later became nightmare moon, meaning she can't be the Element of Laughter or the Element of Loyalty? They represented those elements just fine when they defeated Discord, but afterwards, Luna thought there wasn't anypony left who appreciated her night, and it caused a big change in her. Now I'll have to think of an explanation for WHY Star Swirl turned into Discord, because now I want to use this in my fan fiction.
Yes but first the two sisters didn't represent all the elements like the mane six with enough bearer there fore he switched his body and there alicorns maybe they were born princesses that I have to say but anything in the comics or games or anything besides the journal of the to sister reallisn't cannon🍩😜
@Sabina McManes In "The Journal of the Two Sisters" (on page 64, to be more precise), Celestia says that Star Swirl is working on a very complex spell involving cutie marks which she thinks he may never finish. I think it's implied that that's the spell that switched the Mane Six's cutie marks. It wasn't originally intended to have anything to do with the Elements of Harmony. Hmm, perhaps the spell only works right if the caster has an extra special connection with their friends. Before it was finished, it took something like the Elements of Harmony connecting a group of friends for it to affect the friends' cutie marks, so when it was cast by a pony who didn't have a connection like that, it only affected the caster of the spell, which is what caused Star Swirl's transformation into Discord.
i don't agree with this theory because as we learn in magical mystery cure starswirl was very testy for say with magic i mean messing with cutie marks come on dude but turning into discord would have given him new caotic powers he wouldn't wait to use them and tirek new bolth starswil and discord nd we all know that his attempt to take over ended in about a day when discord came long after soooooooo no
The thing is ponies are kept in the dark. Alot the only who knows true events are the princesses, Twilight who was destined to be a princess and her friends who are the keeper of the elements of harmony Equestria's only defense so they need to know the truth.
but hasbro and the wroters have agreed that the IDW comics are a second teir of continuity making everything in the comics true in the pony world unless it DIRECTLY disagrees with the ACTUAL show and in the period of time that comics 17-20 (the flashbacks within the comics 17-20) are set in is Celestia's riegn of peace, and within one of the flashbacks where Celestia sees the Luna from the alternate world it explains that Celestia has been missing Luna for a long time. What proves this theory wrong is that star swirl is with her in those flashbacks. This after discord is sealed in stone because its in Celestia's reign alone which makes clear that star swirl is not Discord or Sombra.
I can see where your going with this there looks are close and the time line seems close but when he becomes friends with fluttershy he says hes never had a friend maybe the spell wiped his mind im not sure but ither way even though i like starswirl discord will be remerbered as the creature of chaose ps spelling not all good 😉
I have an idea that could be true Discord is starswirl because maybe Discord is only able to start world was trying a spell like the spells that made Sunset and Twilight evil except there's a little different and then he the power took over him and that's why he became evil and his transformation trance form into Discord
The princesses were already in power because 1 they are alicorns so they would be automatically be roalty 2 they had lots of jewelry and they had crowns if they were just rich and they bought all that if im mistaken then there should be at least one jewelry shop but they never show one!
Something is wrong here, you couldnt know that butt... starswirl had friends :D Scorpan the brother of tirek is officaly befriended with him. Source: Tireks backroundstory, Celestia and Luna told the story
Now we know that we know that a birth of an Alice in has never happened until flurry heart was born I wonder if celestia and Luna became alicorns by Turing discord into a skull :)
Actually, i have to agree with KP this time, because Tirek heard of Discord and if he heard of Discord, then it's because his threat came after Discord's fist defeat by Princess Celestia and Princess Luna, and Star Swirl the Bearded was there when Tirek attacked, he even befriended Scorpan, and also when Discord was told to capture Tirek they were meeting for the first time, so he had no idea whom he was before, and if he was Star Swirl he would have recognized Scorpan's necklace. Sorry but this time your theory is wrong.
@Jean Dutra And you said that nothing IN THE SHOW can prove the theory wrong and that comics are not canon, i'm sorry, but there's not a straight anwser for that, the creators said that if the comics are canon or not, that's up to fans to decide.
We've all seen season 7 he was sent to Limbo '-' with his FRIENDS. Stopping a shadow pony. But good theory now you know it was wrong we all learned! :D
yes but theres a flaw in your idea writers say and the comics back me up that discord is the last draconicus meaning that there were more of his kind.So there forth STAR SWIRL IS NOT DISCORD in your face
So the brony notion here's my teroy I spell very badly so discord would be star swirl because in the episode where he gives her the staff and all or other episodes sometimes he would say " I thought we were friends" or " would you be a friend and get this for me" and other crap. so this would mean that he was clearly star swirl cause he wanted the mane six to be his friends just like star swirl who wanted friends but never got any. please reply and tell what u think about my teroy. peace
I really do think this court is star swirl the bearded but maybe Silesia banished him for a long time because his magic it was too high advance and as explained earlier something about how discords diamention is in the middle of more dimensions so that could mean that he is star swirl the bearded cuz starts world the bearded transported the sirens two different place but if discord one to rule the whole entire question for himself then he would actually want the sirens gone so I and and when discord open the portal in one of them like that I haven't seen it will I sort of thing before I was only seen it once and stuff well is because as well he almost he was going to send Treehugger one of Fluttershy's other friends to another dimension
Stars swirl could be discord because in mlp season 5 episode 7 he does a dimension spell and in equestria girls rainbow rocks twilight says that stars swirl banishes the sirens in to another dimension They both know the same spell i don't think that celestia could do it
well, it would swap is body? he is a full pony, things would be added, not swapped, so that would definitely be invalid, and he uses the spell, he couldn't figure it out, couldn't. figure. it. out. so he couldn't even use it, could he?
You're theory is bunk. Meghan McCarthy said Discord is not Starswirl the Bearded. Literally the people who make the show said NOOOOOOOO.
You're theory fails to hold up to any kind of merit on that alone. When the creators say no, then the answer is no. How can you possibly argue otherwise? Not to mention as the previous post has mentioned, that Starswirl was around when Discord was in stone.
Not true because some explained to me that when the princess where younger there mum and dad went miss in a war the princess met discord and then found a little town where unicorns lived all the unicorns tried raising the sun then celesta did the got taken to the waser unicorns and star sorrel the bearer was the boom ilovekimpossiblealot she rocks
But when starswirl returns from limbo back to equestria it would be mentioned if discord vanished and there is no mention to that starswirl's spell first duplicated him and then turned him into discord, is there?
And also something I missed in my previous comment is that in season 2 - return of harmony Celestia mentioned that discord ruled before she and Luna did but they knew starswirl at that time.
In a future episode you said discord lived between realms brakeing this theory apart so star swirl is not discord because star swirl is a pony so theory broke
Discord is not Star swirl. They are just too different. Star swirl wants to protect equestria and discord wants to rule it and destroy it. ( used to anyway )
Its obvious you've put alot of effort into it, but it is VERY unlikely that discord is star swirl the bearded. It is a childrens cartoon after all, plus , discord doesn't seem to be THAT secretive and even if he was , he seems older than starswirl . . . What I'm trying to say is mabye all these draquoniquie were peacefully living in the evervree(everfree?) forest until some sort of war began between them and pony\ alicorns or something. Anyway, discord was also trapped in stone before tireks brother ' befriended ' a young unicorn and if you don't believe me he's SURPRISED that discord is free. Who said discord never had a friend? Are you sure they didn't mean he was never friends with a pony or someone loyal? Like a REAL friend. Maybe he was betrayed by somebody? We'll really never know , but, I stick next to my opinion that discord is NOT starswirl, it just doesn't feel right that he is. Anyway, its Friday, this is the longest comment I'VE wrote (people write more than me) and I have to watch markiplier, because . . . REASONS!!!
In the book THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS CELESTIA AND LUNA BOTH SAY they were taught in someway by STARSWIRLED THE BEAREDED and he was with them when being crowned. The book says nothing about him disappearing. So if you say that he disappeared before the coronation you ae WRONG.. I MAY BE missing so points but if you read the JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS you would clearly be abl to see where I am getting at.
Wilton one of your videos magic stones or something you said that mostly star swirl the bearded could not not have enough power to do it to make the elements of harmony but if the elements world if this cord with him and the elements were power if he knew that he was making something that powerful he must of been on Celestia and discord so Celestia and Luna side back then so my question is also how did he turn on Celestia and Luna in the first place is it because all the ponies in Equestria respected them or something I'm not quite sure or anything but I'm thinking you should at least try to make a video on why discord turned on Celestia and Luna if he is actually star swirl the bearded well and one time ago this one other YouTube videos I said something about the how the fate of Equestria was back then the discord with travel with them so maybe he wanted not to look like so you disguise himself as a pony and he call himself stars world the bearded so all the other ponies wouldn't laugh in one time he didn't have enough magic so he turned into the monster everybody laughed out of Princess Celestia and Luna tried to defend him but that want to help so then he turned against them and got all even stuff is what I'm guessing who that's a lot of stuff that I had stayed here long time
Discord isn't Star Swirl. One because Star Swirl selected Luna and Celestia to be princesses of Equestria. Discord came after this. Yes Star is before Celestia and Luna because he was very old when he met them. Also he was good friends with Tia and Luna. It was some time after Star Swirl had made them princesses and must be sometime before Luna was banished that they turned Discord into stone. Star Swirl disappeared after Luna was banished, while discord was still in stone. When he broke free, he showed no way of thinking about Tia or Luna. He had not known Luna was banished at any point, as, Star Swirl had. Therefore, proving wrong that discord isn't Star Swirl. Also, In the episode Luna Eclipsed, Luna suggests that twilight Is Star Swirl, but immediately corrects this when she realizes that he disappeared and recognizes that it's Twilight. She compliments her costume saying how she got it all correctly. You have good evidence, though! Good job trying to prove your point.
Star Swirl is definitely not Discord. I mean, why would you even want him to be? X3 Discord is way cooler as his own creature. I know that the show can't disprove your theory, but maybe the comics can? Because Discord was around long, long before Starswirl, dating back to when Tirek was a little dude. I recall the show stating that Scorpan befriended Starswirl as an adult bat-monkey-thing, and Discord was around before that. There are some inconsistencies in the show and comics, but I prefer to think that they are two different beings.
I don't know how to spell it but discord has a species the rest of his kind must have been oh I dunno "Killed" But I agree with 1 thing discord could've gone back in time to make himself immortal to get revenge but never told anybody. So they just thought he was evil for nothing like every villain has a reason right? So Discord has a species how do you spell it oh I dunno right. But his species might be extinct except for him like before pony's Before dragons before monsters and stuff, Before FRIENDSHIP so how could he have learned it I think his species is like dragons they were born raised to fight and sombody had to lead, I'm not saying they are dragons because he has some features of other animals but this is highly expected, Ignore me I just point out facts and I'm also a theorist I'm not calling you wrong just sharing my thoughts! :D
Ok I'm sorry for saying this but if the creator of mlp fim clearly says that discord is not starsworld the bearded then it can not be true but still I could see why u made this vid
your onto something and discord and trek are both evil but when you said discord was star swirl the bearded I instantly knew that star swirl the bearded was discord but when he became discord his pearsnality changed
i think that starswirl is discord but in a different video by ink rose she was talking about the two sisters and the history of equestria but she said that the two sisters found discord as a baby so I i'm pretty sure that when starswirl began the to turn into discord he began as a baby and grew up to be who he is now
Star Swirl dose not age!Because if Star Swirl is around when Equstrea was founded and he was around when the sisters were in power...then either Star Swirl is unable to age or Discord took over when Equstrea was founded and his rule was about 5 years or less.
Star Swirl the bearded could be discord if Celly and Luna ruled eqestrea before discord then took it back so star swirl/ discord could be there when tireck came to eqestrea! That is only a idea. I should start a analyst channel.
Cuz in the book the journal of the two sisters celestia and Luna knew star swirl and star swirl was the one who taught the princesses to raise the moon and sun and get their cutie marks
+Carter kaeppel To further your point: one thing we do know is that the journal of the two sisters was released as show canon and specifically mentions that starswirl lost his ability to use magic the day that Luna and Celestia earned their cutie marks (because unicorns who attempted to lower/raise the moon or sun would permanently lose their magic, starswirl was the only one who could resist this... for a time. Once he attempted it on his own, he lost his magic). So he would have cast the spell prior to this event... meaning he didnt become discord... at least not with this theory.
In the comics that is Star swirl looking at Discord. (But Discord in a alternate universe.) Yet, we never see an alternate universe Star swirl in the comic. But opposite everyone else. However later in a time where Star swirl is no longer around. (Missing/Dead) the two universes collide. Here we see regular Discord and alternate Discord.
So maybe he could be Star swirl considering we never saw an alternate Star swirl. But then at the same time, when Luna became evil, Alternate Luna became good. So if Regular Star swirl turned into Discord wouldn't Alternate Discord turn into some sort of Evil Star swirl? I don't think hes Starswirl. Plus remember that episode "Threes a crowd" With all that Star swirl stuff they were looking at. If he is I don't think he remembers. Plus in the comics, a lot of stuff proves hes much older than Star swirl. Or has he just time traveled a lot and knows more about the past. Which is something Star swirl had the power to do but Twilight used one of those spells and she could only do it once. I don't think they are the same.
Not to tell you you're all wrong and everything and I have information that you didn't have the time because I'm leaving this comment a lot later than you posted this but that's not true, after reading the diary of the two sisters I discovered that there was never any ruler of equestria until star swirl the bearded asked celestia and luna to be the rulers of equestria, they turned discord to stone after they became princesses not before.
THEORY TIME! If there is a SPIRIT of DISharmony, then there COULD be a Spirit of Harmony. But . . . If this were true then there would be the elements of Disharmony 0^0 thoughts?
If you would make a video about this is the question: Why does Luna have 2 ponies to be? and celestial does not. Luna is nightmare moon and Luna. But, Celestia is only 1 pony. What made Luna be 2 ponies?
Discord couldn't be star swirl because Discord, Luna and Celestia all met as kids looking for there parents after the alacorn war, witch in fact Discord ' s parents ignighted.😛😜😝🐯🐆
but in a video you see discord as a baby he says I'm lost and I cant find my mum(mom) and dad so he isn't star swirl and Celestia and luna knew him and they were friends but tia and luna's parents died when the storm came they were alicorns . starswirl died after 200 years
we've got a problem, if discord star swirl the bearded then he'd also be twilight, then twilight would be discord, which means FlutterShy was talking to twilight all along, which leads to a lot of thing O.O magic and science in confusing, this is why u shouldn't add doctor who with my little pony. my head is just confused witht this happening, one of the things in this cycle has to be FAULSE!
and i think THIS video is false because if star swirls the beard didn't want friend then why does he want to KNOW, especially if he wants to rule Ponyvile/Aqurestia with chaos.
i know you use pony creator but how do you put like pictures and put your pony [i think] on a different page i ask because i want to be a pony analyzer [sorry if misspelled]
Like you said discord is the only creature that does have magic and is not a pony.Wait there were some creatures that had magic and were not ponies.Those creatures from the everfree forest.like the uh i dont remember what it is called.Imean that kind of chicken and dragon or snake .... whatever it is .... had magic that could turn others into stone but why only that kind of spell?Is it just a different kind of magic or.... well .... huh that's it but what we were talking about was if discord was star swirl the bearded.and yeah that makes sence. If you remember the episode keep calm and flutter on discord said that fluttershy was his first true friend.Also the spell twilight fixed was writen by star swirl the bearded.And because he had no friends the spell had no elements to change (they weren't found by celestia and luna yet).That means that he had caused the spell on himself so that's it.That explains his magic too.sorry if i have made some mistakes on my comment....i am greek.
not to be rude if discord was before the princesses then he can't be star swirls read mlp the journal of the 2 sisters and see star swirls made them princess
star swirl can't be discord go look at the back story of celestia and luna's back story in ink rose channel it says that discord as a BABY was sperated with his mum and dad when a war started between the alicorns and darkness? yeah so if you don't understand me ink rose back story
it never said Star had no friends. It just pointed out he didnt UNDERSTAND friendship. (I just wanted to point this out i am still a big fan of urs plz dont be affended by this if i happened to affend u im sorry)
Umm excuse me for being critical but the spell did not change there physical appearance but only it changes what they did like a mental change so if he did use this spell it would not swap his body but only make him the opposite like how discord made then bad but then he would be like him but he would not look like discord but acted like him and besides only dark magic possesses power to change a physical appearance
Okay so I prepared to answer every little question of mlp about this, you see first off all I know Kim is wrong A LITTLE, first don't make proof from the voicer, it's not making sense if you do, second BRONY NOTION has been wrong ALL THE TIME, well not all the time, but still a little bit wrong, okay first off all we know what's his personality, heroic even from the comic or from the cartoon, let's forget about the comic, we are going to 2 things, the wikipedia, and the cartoon, we know starswirl the bearded is making a spell that almmost likely trying to do something with the elements, from it's spell its sound like he wants to make something more powerful, and it looks like he wants to make himself to be powerful, so we continued, we are in s4 ep 1 where Luna and Celestia found The elements, THEY ARE THE ONE FOUND IT, for banishing discord, but why we do know it wasn't before, well, take a look of Sombra, the elements didn't used, it means they haven't found it, but still discord is their 2nd monster that they defeated, but the elements were found by them, we still asking, if the first one that found the elements is Celetia and Luna not him , it means that we are here in the bottom of the pit, it means the elements of harmony is already found after the incident, and it means StarSwirl thhe beardedmade the testing thingy after they defeted him, we know ONE THING, Discord isn't StarSwirl the bearded, well question still come, what if Discord is the one that found the elements first, I mean what happened if StarSwirl the bearded is the one found it first, the ANSWER is impossible, why?, if he dd that means discord is stupid, he is twice much more smarter then Twilight fooling things up, if StarSwirl the bearded took the elements first then it means he changed and then if he turned to be Discord he must hide tthe elements to insuredd his freedom, but still why he didn't, The answer is this , he can't get it, if he already knew the elements , and ask me, why can't he get it, then if ask back why his magic plantera thingy attacked the tree of harmony after it ran out of magic, it because he can't approach it, if he approached it, he is in danger, if he tried to take the elements, he is in danger, still asking for evidence, we are going to tthe comics, because of it, we found STARSWIRL THE BEARDED IS still a pony after Lulu banished, and yeah start arguing everyone
@WildKamots You’re right, but I don’t think that disproves this theory. It just changes the timeline a bit. The journal says that Luna and Celestia were acquainted with Starswirl, and actually even the show itself hints at it, but he could still disappear and then reappear as Discord without the princesses noticing it’s him. It’s been a while since I’ve read the journal, but from what I remember, [spoilers ahead, sort of?] Starswirl experiments with time seplls a lot. Once, after successfully traveling through time, Celestia and Luna note that his beard changed colors from brown to gray. The spell changed his appearance. So what if one of his time spells later on went horribly wrong and turned him into Discord? Maybe he doesn’t even remember who he once used to be.
It was also star that helped the princesses build their home in the forest so that means that he is around and still in touch with them, so you would think that they would know if he did turn into discord or they know and just won't say it for some reason. The princesses seem to view Discord negative unlike they do star. They became princesses after the clover the clever when all ponies agreed to have one ruler or in this case two, which star was still apart of their lives than. So in the vid it said discord was banished before they were princesses so that wouldn't make sense once star is the one that helped put them into power so he couldn't have been Discord.
Well if discord Worcester store is there it wouldn't make sense because in the episode where it shows a hearts heart warming mean it would prove in the episode it shows that the unicorns had to raise the sun which means the Alcorns or gone so STM and I wouldn't go on looking for their parents mean while to come along discord it was still just a baby is locked I 380 of course stars world the bearded is there so it wouldn't make sense because discord was still small because yeah so here's my three bye
But on one episode discord heard fluttershy say I'm not going to be ur friend now that triggered something alright then discord said u were my friend, but I've never had a friend before. So now u have it a clue to star swirl the bearded.
so going to dis harmony in 0:56 to 1:00 celestia say "disharmony" and in a video this guy says they don't exist but the princess saying that might give clues of the existence of the elements of disharmony
so going to dis harmony in 0:56 to 1:00 celestia say "disharmony" and in a video this guy says they don't exist but the princess saying that might give clues of the existence of the elements of disharmony
well im not that knowledgeable with age was star swirl the bearded the same age as princess luna and celestia then this can be proven discord IS NOT starswril because discord was with luna and tia when they where little,
Discord and starswirl both have white hair to. But sorry dude I'm just not with you on this Theory. I wish I could explain why but it would be like an hour long message
Because the three ponies have liked beard and all they know magic and how to say no magical unicorns I get the Pegasus part is like a fly with unicorns are most important thing and how does Twilight have leaves I know she did everything for a friend and that's really nice but but how do you change because she could feel the magic of friendship how was the rainbow so many times even when they defeated this word even the first episode there a rainbow and then when they defeated dyrdek remember and it's me your little sister Daniella because all the time with the friendship this is an important question I'd get that they each oven element but how is there a rainbow coming these questions are very important for me OK
boom you where wrong it said starwill didn't understand freindship but he had friends as celestial and Luna and clover the clever friends meaning he but element of harmony didn't exsiset and but that made them appear in land but it took all of star swirl engery he does enchant gems. and he died to make the element of harmony my theory makes a little snece
Didn't Star Swirl made friends with the other ponies in the play then before being frozen Star Swirl magic save them all and magic of friendship was born
I really think that you were right and stuff about the song but it does can can can get confusing but my question is was clover the clever as smart as Twilight he used to put that on your next video please whoever you really are
this doesint make sence if discord is star swirl the bearded why did he turn evil and take over equestria when he changed and did celly and luna know he was star swirl
Proof this video is fake: After Discords magic was trapped in grogars bell we see star swirl fighting tirek with magic! But discords magic is already gone
Celetai said friend ship not friend because of this nothing would happen to star swirl wait the movie it pro teller the shrine were banished and star swill would of died this is after the spell he created it not tested it
acaley the seasons arnt years it was comfermd that season 3 was the end of one year besides think of the twins pumkin cake and poud cake they wer born in season 2 and wer at season 7 so they wold be 6 and they cant be six despite them still have ther baby form cant talk and in that flash back with sweetebelles 5 birthday she was in an older form so if i had to gess they are 2 or 3 so you said that he was relesd a year later that is not acuat for the show it was probly about a couple of mounths hope this helpd it was kind of buging me
Sorry just stupid the two alicron went on adventure with him when they wear kids they found him arter there perents died Luna was 5 and Celeste was 10 discord was about the same age as Luna he did not come in the catle cause his race and all the pony had a war so they became ruler and stop playing with discord he played pranks and they became more dangerous Luna Celeste we're raise by the wiz and the first element of harmony all the alicorn died fighting the darkness
And also when fluttershy said if this I'll be you're friend discord gasped cause he had no friend's before like star swirl!!!!!!?. It's almost like knew!!!!!!?.
He's totaly not star swirl.... Discords the god of chaos and star swirl would say something before he got turned to stone u bum. PS: I subscribed only to prove ur vids WRONG.
i got word about the season 7 fanlli its something to do with starswirl and its calld shadow play ''shadow'' think about who that mite be and i know its going to comferm hes not discord im so ecsited
It is not very likely that star swirl is discord because luna and celestia had found him when searching for their parents. And when they found some Ponies discord decides to stay hidden due to his parent being the cause of the chaos in the first place. While there the pony leaders held a meeting with star swirl there so if star swirl and discord both existed at the same time then how could discord possibly be star swirl. That's where I'm confused in this vid because of that so how can u possibly explain the supposedly same pony/person existing at the same time and as the other, hmmm? Hahhaahha this comment was really just made for fun but if u could answer these questions that would be EPIC!!😜😎😏👍🏻
and if you was discord in the time in between one the rest of canterlot was made and when he built that part of the library I don't think it would still be there
You are wrong stars will the bearded is not discord because I have proof Celestia and Luna when they were Phillies traveled with discord he was a little filly haha I had proof and that is why you are wrong ok
I found out the truth that clover the clever is not twilight sparkle. If you want to find out how then please leave a comment and I will respond but I also will need to talk to you privately and it is best if you tell me if you have a Facebook page so I can respond to this so please contact me and I will be able to tell you.
What maybe if star swirl when he did the spell what happens is star swirl is discord now . I will tell you why do remember that princes Tia she said star swirl never had .friends I think that what she and he nacre knowed friendship. Ok now discord or sunset shimmer first I want to tell you sunset shimmer she said that she doesn't know the first things about friendship . Ok NOW discord he has a beard like star swirl . And his fear or skin is gray like star light and he is powerful . Look I may sound dumb but I hope this connects to if star light is discord. Bro hoove hahahah
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i highly disagry what if starswirl did have frends and it didint to him into discord and besides discord was born a dragonquas if he was starswirl he wod have his senses and not be incane and he wode not try to take over adquestria in know starswirl wont do that why bechuse hes a rezonable pony he knows better so try to explane those things
discord is a SPIRIT OF CHAOS , NOT A CORRUPTED UNICORN , AND THE SPELL WAS A CUTIE MARK CHANGING SPELL , NOT BODY CHANGING , AND STAR SWIRL MIGTH ME GOOD WITH SPELLS BUT ! HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE HIM SELF IMMORTAL OR AS POWERFUL AS DICORD IS TO MAKE THINGS APPER OF MID AIR AND SWIRL'S NAME HAS CLEVER IN IT , HE WOULDNT MAKE SUCH CHAOS FOR NO REASON
I have a theory maybe he was using the elements of disharmony that changed him into the monster, that could explain his great powers and the spell was a desperate attempt to change the elements but because of his lack of friends he couldn't complete it
But he can't be star swerl because in an epesod online I say that that him and some of offer ponys and I the pony of shadows so he can't be discord and that's my proof 🎭
Sombra:A pony I whom do not know of the name got her cutie mark.Sombra felt betrayed.He set off in snow when she found him, he wanted her to rule by his side, and she refused.So Sombra declared war on the Crystal Empire.
He can't possibly be discord in season 7 we found out star swirl the bearded was in limbo for a thousand years with the pony of shadows, plus discord is reformed
@CrystalMuffyn 😂😂😂 I literally was just going through my emails from 2017 and I found a link that a friend sent me to this video, back when I loved my little pony 😂😂
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Rose King no, because you see star swirl after their rain of power and in order to use time travel spells he would've had to be normal,turn into discord, and then keep on switching from star to discord.boom!
Season 7 ep 25 and 26!HAHAHAHAAHHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH I hated this theory! ***NOT HATE COMMENT***** This the only theory from you that i dislike
Wat if discord is starswerl.Who are spikes parents.Who is owllishos other creaters have magic. Were did spike come from other than the egg. Where did owllishos come from .Were are spikes parents.Were are owllishos parents.$😇😇☺😊😁😢
Discord can be Star Swirl becouse well you know if you wached this video BUT in season 7 episode 25 we know more abut shadow pony and we know what happend to Star Swirl at the first place. But I still think that its bossible that Discord did transformation to be Star Swir and trick all the other ponys. This theary can be true and srry abut my bad english BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!!
So far, this is the best explanation of this theory I've seen/heard. I might have one thing to add on. You said that Star Swirl (now as a Draconiquus) "after eons of being bored, tries to have a little fun by taking over Equestria." Saying it like that, it seems too sudden. I think a thing to add on would be that the spell not only scrambled his body, but also altered his very personality, from what was likely a calm, collected, stern Unicorn to the sarcastic, chaos-loving Draconiquus we all know and love today. It would make more sense as to why nopony recognized him for who he could once have been; heck, the only similarity would be the voice, and we all know how well some characters are voiced with similar people, particularly some of the background ponies that got voices. (Example: Bridle Gossip, Rose has Fluttershy's voice.)
However, as Celestia said in the season 4 finale, Star Swirl befriended Scorpan during her and Luna's rule, which was after Discord was imprisoned the first time. Also, this gives rise to the queation: How old did Star Swirl live to be? On another note entirely, considering Granny Smith helped found Ponyville, and that Twilight made it clear Ponyville is hundreds of years old, how old is Granny Smith? And one more thing, could Granny Smith be a descendant of Star Swirl.
No no no! The comics disprove this. Star swirl was celestial's friend and was around after luna's banishment. He created the mirror we see in both equestrian girls movies and a portal to an alternate equestrian. There was even a stain glassed window made of him which a dragon who I will say is spike's ancestor destroyed by accident.
in the book "The Journal of the Two Sisters" Star Swirl the bearded, helped Celly and Luna rise to power, get there cutie marks, and taught them to raise the sun and the moon before he vanished, so this shatters all ideas of Discord being Star Swirl
Interesting theory, but there's plenty of evidence to counter it in the show as well. 1.) Luna, herself, in Lunar Eclipse, recognized Twilight's costume and wasn't offended that a "pony that became one of the greatest threats to Equestria" was remembered and even honored over her, a ruling monarch. You would think that she would have given Twilight a dirty look for representing who she would probably consider a traitor. That means that she and Celestia knew Starswirl personally and would know wither or not he really was Discord. 2.) Discord, himself, is rather vain and boastful. If he was Starswirl chances he would have taken credit for almost every spell Twilight had ever used. Maybe even name them right off the top of his head whenever she used one around him. 3.) It was also pointed out in Twilight's Kingdom that Starswirl was around when Scorpan and Tirek came to Equestria, and that was after Discord's rule because Princess Celestia and Luna were already running the kingdom. 4.) The creators of MLP stated that Discord and Starswirl were not one in the same and by all account that makes it final, so there's really no argument. I'm a writer myself, I decide how my stories are dictated, if I say a character is a certain way or even an alternate character then they are. If I say that they're not then they are not. No one else has the right to say different because they themselves have no say in how I write my plots. The only thing they really can do is either take it as it is or leave it as it is. (Not saying that last part to mean or disrespectful, I'm just stating a fact.) They're welcomed to speculate and form their own head cannons, and even write their own variations of the story, but in the end I have the final say in what my stories/characters are.
Now that that's taken care of you have to think of how the kingdom disappeared in the first place. Because there is next to no information on the kingdom it would stand to reason that the information was destroyed when the kingdom disappeared. Information is usually destroyed during sieges or battles. I personally like ink rose's theory that the alicorns were all killed in a great battle with dark spirits. An entire kingdom full of alicorns would be really hard to defeat so the creatures that would have been able to manage this would most likely be other creatures with godlike powers. There aren't many species in the show that have that much power. The only one that could actually stand a chance against both princesses is Discord(Cadence and Sombra don't count because Sombra was just a corrupt unicorn that got defeated by a baby dragon and a librarian). With so much chaos magic it would just be silly if discord wasn't as immortal as the princesses. It just makes sense that the alicorns and the draconicuses both perished in the war and Celestia, Luna, and Discord are all that's left. Plus the unfinished spell merely changed the destiny of the mane six. Celestia also said star swirl didn't "understand" friendship like twilight. That doesn't mean he had no friends. This is friggin' Equestria! Friendship literally IS magic here. Somepony as magical as star swirl surely would have known that. Even if it took as long or longer that it took Twilight to figure it out. And even if he didn't have friends why would a spell about friendship turn him into a spirit of chaos?
In the end of season 4 it is explained that Tereks brother befriended a skilled unicorn who was depicted to be starswirled. This also means that since this was DURING the rule of Celestial & Luna discord had fallen for the first time. We know this because Terek congradulats discord on escaping so he had to have known he was imprisoned before hand therefore discord is NOT starswirled.
well also for the whole "star swirl wouldnt be a hero thing" Napoleon bonaparte is known for being a great military leader and emperor of france who had accomplished a lot but is also known for being a ill tempered short guy who let power go to his head and whom tried to take over the world by invading and using military force. so in short he was a great leader who took the reins of a country after its revolution but later wanted to take over the world, but yet even with the latter he is still known as a great leader of france. and with equestria being the county that it is its possible that they would mainly want to focus on mostly the good about star swirl
With the book 'The Journal of the Two Sisters', it will be a lot harder for fans to justify the theory that Discord is Starswirl the Bearded.
In this book by Amy Keating Rogers, with discussion and help by Lauren Faust herself, it introduces how Starswirl, Celestia, Luna, and the Six Founders met. The information provided on Starships and the fact of his mastery of Time spells leads him to be an ageless time traveler suggests he may well make an appearance later in th show... at least leaves it open for such an idea to come up in an episode.
The point being this official history of the royal sisters written by a show writer with help from the show creator strongly suggests the theory that Discord is Starswirl will be proven completely false.
The comics debunk this theory. Star Swirl was around with Tia after NMM was defeated. That would mean Discord has already been defeated too, because in order to defeat him, Luna would have had to have been present.
So, there you go. Discord and Star Swirl are NOT one in the same.
He said that Kim said "If he was outcast because of him being discord, why would Twilight dressup as him?" If you watch that episode, nobody knows who she is, apart from Luna... It's either true that nobody knows what star swirled the bearded looked like (maybe because nobody saw him before he changed) OR they don't WANT to remember, like the ponies that were around at that time hated the new SS the B (aka Discord) so much that they didn't pass down the story through generations. To back it up, the only reason Twilight knows who he is, is because she reads sooooo many books, and spell books...
I believe the joker theory could be used here too. Do to the spell doing that to him, he might have looked for a way to fix it. Seeing how powerful chaos magic is, my must have tried it.But chaos being chaos, it made him lose his mind, making a new persona. Discord.
Maybe he also suffered... Memory loss. Who knows, could have happened. I mean, because a huge transformation like THAT could have some side effects... hence why John said he had no idea who Starswirl was, because HE was told Discord had no idea he was Starswirl; or otherwise.
No mention of how him trying to preform the spell failed, hence why he has both horns and wings? I mean all things considered, Discord would be an Alicorn if he was a Pony, so what if the lack of friends caused him to become a sort of Broken Alicorn who then lost his sanity to a flood of powerful magic with no real need to keep it in check?
In the actual hard cover book The Diary of the Two Sisters it tells the complete story of how Luna and Celestia knew Starswirl, were friends with Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum, earned their cutie marks thought Starswirl's guidance and became princesses. I will say that the book follows show logic because the lines Twilight reads aloud are actual parts of the book, and the second half of the book is the entirety of Twilight and her friends' entries. I actually had a head cannon that Starswirl was younger and worked under Celestia and Luna and then at one point became King Sombra, but I was pretty sure that wasn't true and the book also dismantled my head cannon. Still a fun made up story in my head though :P
That actually makes ALOT of sense but I'm sorry, I still disagree. Though everything that you explained COULD be so, I don't understand why the writers would make Discord be Starswirl.
I think this theory is really interesting AND it could be right. The timeline though is way off. There's a book The Journal of the Two Sisters and in it you learn that Princess Celestia and Luna were rulers long before they vanquished Discord. There are also many other things about Star Swirl that you might find interesting and helpful to your theory.
If Starswirl is discord, I would suggest that he was also an Alicorn. He is always wearing a cloak so unsure if he has wings, over a thousand years ago Alicorns may have not been liked much or feared so hiding the wings may have been necessary, and lastly alicorns have great magic.
It doesn't really affect your theory much, but I think Celestia and Luna were already in power before Discord showed up, because they had their crowns and royal neck things. I think when Spike said the peaceful rule of Celestia, he meant the current rule that the ponies are living in now.
Actually your theory may be true as Star Swirl turned into Discord but maybe when Star Swirl/Discord disappeared maybe chaos bringers polluted his mind making him want to take over Equestria but then after the chaos bringers polluted his mind Star Swirl's good thoughts was erased and memory with it. So his memory was changed into dark memories making him want revenge over Celestia and Luna. Possibly in the season he was free to do good maybe a tiny part of his Star Swirl memory came back but his memory was still fussy or can't quite remember so he still did naughty things but then when Tirek returned his memory was dark again because he was exposed to evil things or dark magic once more but he still remebered his friends or the mane six after because his friends are like the light that fixed his kind memories of them and made him remember that he was good not bad. Well that was my theory
I know this is off topic, but, according to Celestia herself, first of all, Discord could not have ruled in a state of eternal chaos, since There were other villains who ruled, like Chrysalis, Sombra, and Tirek, though some only ruled part of Equestria, I don't think Discord would let them, or were they working together? Luna an Celly defeated Chrysalis and Sombra, assuming it was them who defeated the villains, before Discord, much like you would if you were to take down the weaker links before getting to the big one. Which brings me to another question, if Luna and Celestia discovered the elements when they had to defeat Discord, how did they beat the villains before him, and since Luna and Celestia shared the elements, and NMM was defeated by Celestia alone, was Celly given all the elements when Luna transformed, or can you use some elements alone, and which elements did Luna and Celestia each have? Please make a video about one of these things, I need a second opinion.
I'd like to point out that just because discord had no friends and sun butt said that starswirl "didn't understand friendship like you (twi) do" Does NOT mean there is a correlation between those characters. notice: celestia did NOT say that starswirl had NO friends, just that he didn't UNDERSTAND friendship like twilight did. Ever heard the term "with friends like these, who needs enemies" ? there are likely ponies that are like that as well (see also Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon) but they still have friends despite not understanding what friendship really is.
Also the beards matching are, at best, Stretching it. How many people in OUR world have the same beard style? a LOT. The beards kind of, but not Exactly, matching might just be a coincidence.
Besides, the writers clearly state these characters are NOT the same. The only reason this rumor came about was a falsified script for discord that never happened (the script was supposedly suppose to show up in the next discord episode, in which they were never shown, where discord was reformed).
There isn't completely solid evidence against it, besides the creators saying no, but there is even less evidence FOR it. until this is laid to rest in the show, though, there will be constant debate about it. I guess we just have to wait and see what happens in the show.
This is nice for me since I felt like the mlp series doesn't give enough of star swirl's story, like I'd love to see him come back, or them saying that he became disQord
Actually, a draconcus is a TYPE of creature as quote from Megan McCarthy. Star swirl can't be discord because the reason Natural Alicorns and Draconicus are rare is because they went to war and Luna,Celestia, and Discord ate the last ones are BC they where young and hid.
very good points but using the assumption that the princesses already knew him or his name before he began to take over leads me to believe that starswirld the bearded and discord are not the same , but like I said before very good points.
What I think happened was to create discord the good and bad parts are separated but I think that when discord discovers a balance between good and evil he will turn back
ah your theory makes sense but why would star swirled the bearded cause chaos even though he got switch?But other than that it does make sense that when star swirl the bearded didn't know much about friendship he used the spell on himself to test it and when he switch into something else he wouldn't tell anyone because he didn't want his admirers to betray him,but CHAOS doesn't really fit in with star swirl the bearded.
I see why you chose this point but it is possible that Discord was StarSwirl's mistake, like maybe StarSwirl casted a spell but it didn't work and created Discord,this might not be true but it is possible.
Canon shows Starswirl before and after Discord. Starswirl is alive before Celestia and Luna rise to power, and is there after Discord is turned to stone.
So... yeah. You're kinda wrong here. Also, just because it's "similar" to a completely different universe, doesn't mean it's the same.
Greetings! I would like to tell you my theory about starswirl. you would be right except that you forgot that celestia said that starswirl was her apprentice. as well as him being clovers mentor. at first I thought that this was just a problem with the timeline of my little pony (like in winter wrap up.) but i now believe that is not the case. we all know that starswirl has experience with, time magic and magic powerful enough to mess with the elements of harmony. I now believe that he indeed sent himself back in time to before equestria was founded. on accident of course.
Another small idea to proof discord is star swirl. He falls in love with fluttershy. All people who don't believe it is cannon, it was made cannon in the intro season 4 finale where when flutters gives angel the Apple discord is looking at her the way fangirls look at Hiddles and benidect. So he fell in love with another race proving 1.he lived with ponies, like spike or 2. He was a pony. Most likely, he was a pony seeing as before he was turned to stone the first time he ruled over ponies, never lived with them
Look. Just because Celestia said Star Swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship, doesn't mean he didn't have any friends. Scorpan's his friend, right? This just means that Star Swirl did not understand the TRUE magic of friendship AS Twilight does. He just didn't know that friendship can be a powerful magic.
Nice theory and all, but you're over interpreting some of the points you made and twisting it so it fits this theory.
And yeah, there isn't any definite points to disprove this, but the same can be said about every religion in existence...my point is that that is a terrible point to bring up. But like all religion, if you like it, then sure, go believe in it, there's nothing wrong to it.
Now please do a theory about how Discord could easily have kicked Tirek's ass, but it was all part of his plan for Twilight to unlock the magic box.
The timeline wouldn't work out. In the journal of the two sisters, Luna and Celestia are constantly talking about how Star Swirl is there, helping them AFTER they become princesses of Equestria. If he were Discord, Star Swirl wouldn't be able to help them during their struggle as princesses, as it reads in the journal. I want to believe that Discord IS Star Swirl but this timeline wouldn't be it.
when talking about subjects like this you have to take into account other things that happened before star swirl or discord. Lauren Faust personally said discord is not star swirl the bearded but you disreguarded that which means we are free to use information from fanfics and the like. Many fanfics and other fan-made creations try to talk about things like the alicorn kingdom. Surely celestia and luna can't be the only ponies born as alicorns right? This would mean that there must have once been many more alicorns that most likely had their own kingdom. There is no official information about the alicorn kingdom which mens your guess is as good as mine. Nopony ever mentions this kingdom so it would stand to reason that they existed ling before equestria was a country, like celestia and luna. As the royal sisters origin is never specified I believe I can safely assume celestia and luna were originally born in the lost alicorn kingdom.
In the comics of mlp, I found a bit about Celestia visiting an alternate universe with star swirl. Luna is on the moon at this point. Timeline disproved.
Also their eyes are kinda the same. And Starswirl seen in a picture has a yellow aura. People have make discord into a pony before where discord had a yellow aura slipping away from facts though but still. Also they both have the same color schemes. Even if discord wasn't Starswirl, he could be related to Trixie.(Starswirl could be.)
Nah, it's more like. Star Swirl The Bearded was a great unicorn mage, and did many successful things, like banishing the dazzlings to the human world. He was so powerful, he could communicate to others in other dimensions. He contacts Sheogorath in the Shivering Isles in the TES universe, does some crazy mission for him, and gets turned into Discord. 0_0 Mind Blown XD. Just kidding, that's not how Discord came to be, or how Star Swirl disappeared, and there is no TES and MLP crossover like that, that I can think of. Discord isn't even Star Swirl. Discord is immortal, and Star Swirl probably died. However, I'm curious if someone else has thought up of something about Discord and Sheogorath.
I can see your point but in the Journal of the Two Sisters, Its revealed that Starswirl raised Celestia and Luna when they became Princesses. So I guess that's something that cold disprove this theory. Believe what you what.
What if Star Swirl returns and Discord imprisoned him for who knows how long, only my theroy has a flaw: wouldn't Discord hint that Star Swirl is still alive?
Honestly since discord is my favourite character in the show I'd be disappointed if I found out that he was star swirl but Isn't everyone aloud to have there own opinion right.
2:37 you started to sound a bit convincing but lost me there. that just sounds like a TERRIBLE fan fiction, I don't think a good guy would just get bored and decide to take over the world, and if he was transformed by a spell, why would he not tell anyone? It's not like he was evil and wanted to keep it a secret, if by what youre going by, he didn't turn evil until after a long time of being bored?
what if discord waited for starswirled to pass away before trying to rule equestria because he knew he had no chance of defeating him. when starswirled passed away discord saw it as his chance to rule equestria
Also when tereck sucked the magic out of discord it was blue like star swirled the bearded it also had I littel color of yellow but mostly blue i REALLY think that discord is star swirled the bearded I mean he disappeared right when discord showed up and in hearts warming eve in the play at the end They had found there new land and named it equestria does this but on the flag the planted Luna and celesta were on it but in the beginning it said before the peaceful rule of celesta so then discord would have came then and then celesta and Luna came but it was already on the flag which was probably just a stupid mistake
ok so this is all true, but if you think about the great luna and celestia rift, that lasted for 1000 years too. but then luna was released from her prison first even though she was imprisoned on the moon after discord was defeated for the first time.
the time line makes sense however... it stated that celstia luna and discord when they where young where friends. so we know the kingdom was already weak before celtia and luna took over however what about there younger them? celtia and luna knew him before he became evil. plus we know he is the king of caos..or however you spell it so why would he be star something? unless you can somehow answer this..you got pound. sorry i had to say that
Your argument is pretty good, especially bringing up "Star Swirl's Unfinished Spell" and how it might effect him since it's plausible that he has no friends. But your logic has a flaw and I don't need to use the comic's. You said that he disappeared before Discord showed up and people didn't thought the two was the same. Not only do you have no evidence to prove that he disappeared or he disappeared before Discord appeared, but you can't definitively prove that the spell turns him into a draconequus. For all we know, the spell just failed to work or could blown him up.
This is a good theory but is has a few tiny flaws. #1 starswirl IS NOT IMMORTAL! #2 starswirl did have friends Tia just said on 2:00 "he did not UNDERSTAND friedship like you Twilight". #3 starswirl was very well respected in the dark ages of pony history so he did have friends! (this backs up #2)
Unfortunately, this is wrong. My reason comes from the comics, which is confirmed to be canon. It was shown that Star Swirl was still around after Luna was banished to the moon. This HAD to have been after Discord was already turned to stone because Luna was there when Discord was turned to stone.
@***** I don't see how the time travel would work unless he was able to use that age spell on himself. And (I somewhat feel stupid for saying this) how do you know that in his old age he would have been able to pull off a spell like that? Twilight said that the spell could only be used by the highest levels of unicorns.
@***** The age spell. Trixie said that it was for high-level unicorns, but that doesn't say much as she had an ALICORN amulet (not implying it has alicorn magic, but that is never explained how it works). It was never said if the spell could be used on themselves. So that kinda leaves a 50/50 chance there XD
@***** Chrysalis only won was beacuse her magic can grow= become stronger wen she steals love from another pony. But Celestia's magic is only on one level ( the most powerfull level) And the writers said so -.-
well, cadence said in the episode that chrysalis 'takes the form of some pony you love and gains power by feding of there love for them' In my perspective it means that shining armor and candece love is so strong that it made Chrysalis stronger than Celestia. Tierek is another villian and his plans and magic dosen't work like Chtysalis. And that with the writers that they kinda explain why Chrysalis could beat Celestia.
@tails1152 Aren't there a lot of inconsistencies with the comic and the show, though? Like, the show says Luna transformed purely out of jealousy, but the comic says that she was possessed in a sense? I mean, it's hard to be "canon" when the both of them contradict each other so much.
Hear me out What if Discord and Starswirl switched bodies, and Idenities. WHen the Draconis came to equestria to reak chaos starswirl tried a new spell to defeat them, but failed and since he had no friends he switched bodies with a draconis instead. He has been known to travel to alot of places and it could happen.
the books say that star swirl was one of the few that convinced luna and celestia to rule and helps them set up all they needed. the castle right above the tree of harmany. after they defeated discord. its in the two sisters Diary. so not trying to be mean but this is not true. and yes the books and comics are ligets cause they are made by hasbro who made mlpfim
If so, I will never watch any of (ForgotHerName)'s videos. I already think her stories are boring to listen to. So, if the story I listened to is proven to be not true, she's the worst story writer I've seen on the internet.
I will prove this theory is wrong in the book - THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS star swirl makes celestia and luna as princesses of equestrian. so star swirl was a friend to luna and celestia .
The theory might be right about discord and star s. might be the same person cause the mane connection they both have that they don't know about friend ship and the spell that twi read in S3 is where it doesn't make sense that how come she read it only switch only her friends CM and when he read the spell it some how deformed him . Are you guys just going off of theory little details from the episodes of the show or are you going by the books as well like i found a book that cadence was a pegasus before she was an alacorn.
i dont think its as easy as DISCORD = STAR SWERL i think even it is the same body that doesnt mean it is the same soul in the same way that in adventure time simon and ice king inhabit the same body but are not the same person there are my 2 cents :)
It does make alot of sense but if twilight made the book star swirl made work and if he IS discord why does he have such a connection with fluttershy? Does he not remember?
One reason is that the princesses Were friends with discord right after the war and so it might be possible that you right because star swirl was before the war
Omg. I know it will never happen. (Come on, too complex for little girls(and me, Derpy, should be talking about complex?)) but this all make sense.Jesus, dude, you are genius!
umm.. I disagree with you because of the following reasons 1. Discords PARENTS killed off Celestia and lunas parents. 2. Discord goes on a journey with Celestia and Luna on their journey to find their parents 3. Discord was ashamed of what his parents did 4. He later found a pleasure in what his parents did and followed in their footsteps
starswirl might of transformed into discord like when Luna transformed into nightmare moon but not remembering who they really are, from all the negativity they had
This is my theory,do get ur popcorn Starswirl, clovers mentor, tried to turn himself into a alicorn but wound up switching up hi body and turned him into a draciconitrus (srry for poop spelling)and he didn't know what to do with himself so he decided do cause some chaos. Then princess celestia and princess Lund stood up and turned him to stone then pony's lived in peace for 1,000 years. That's my theory. Could be right or I could be wrong
I do not think you make any REAL valid points. All of the events you say take place are... unlikely.And the logic where Starswirl had no friends so the spell changed his body is illogical.Also why would he want to become immortal? I mean really, i don't think anypony would like to be sent into an eternity of being shunned and seen as a villain.And him taking over Equestria only for the fact that he was bored is just...foalish. You just took all sorts of different puzzles and forced pieces to fit together, completely disregarding the fact that NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY REMOTE SENSE.
See I love your headcannen but the only thing is celestia know who starswerill the bearded was so discord must of made starsweirl back to normal and from then on discord couldn't go and be starswerill the bearded eney more.
Star Swirl The Bearded had 1 freind King Sombra Before he was king and in that time he was a crystal pony then he started useing dark magic and he became corrppted.
Wait,wait,wait... IF this is true, IF, a draqouendsdsfm(how ever its spelt) swapped bodies with StarSwirl, what happened to the draq...you know what i mean. What happened to it? Surely they swapped, so that would mean that the THINGYS mind was put into StarSwirls body... wouldn't it?
Wait. If Starswirl was Celestia's apprentice and Clover was Starswirl's apprentice...and that was before Celestia's reign... Plot hole? (I probably got something wrong and sorry 4 bad grammar I'm only 12)
Brony Notion,we have seen Discord turn into a unicorn before in season 4 so would that mean he just turned into Star Swirl to gain the trust of Princess Celestia and Luna While in this stage he may have been learning the pony's names and all that..I guess like Pinkie Pie. Im not going against you or anything though.
watch rose ink's discords fall you will see discords back story and see discords Not star swirl, also if he was star swirl was friends with tirek's brother which means if he was star swirl why would he join forces with him knowing he is a backstabber do I make my point :3 I think star swirl is the shadow pony not discord
Discord is NOT star swirl cause if twilight finish star swirls spell in the magical cure discord would turn back in to star swirl and nothing happens to discord
You are way past wrong. If you read the comics then you would know that discord is not star swirl. Because in the comic i read, Princess Celestia Star swirl is in the comic while discord is stone.
Some people are saying that star swirled the bearded is not discord but then how did discord come about id he was born not transformed there would have to be other like him
1. THE ACTUAL FREAKIN' WRITERS OF MLP SAID IT WAS FALSE! The End. 2. Discord and Star Swirl are obviously two very different characters and they're of a different species (which @***** pointed out).
So do us a small favor and stop forcing this theory on MLP!
It said he did not understand friendship like Twi did. That doesn't necessarily mean he didn't have friends, he just didn't have the friendship link with his friends like Twilight did with her friends.
Hm well the reason I don't believe that is because 1 Tirek is at jail 2 he is not a pony And last but not least 3 he isn't tied somehow with Luna's dark magic
OK now in da ep where discord was sick he didn't rlly seem to WANT pinkie pie to take care of him :/ even when she she was the only pony who said she could!! Does that mean he doesn't like pinkie pie? Pls figure did out for me!!
Um no in a clip I saw Rainbow dash says how they (Lost) 1000 years too a evil king And your video you say star swirl Being discord fills in a huge gap And then where dose nightmare Moon come in pleas can you explain :)
I'd like to debunk this awesome theory that I loved to follow as well. Discord existed in Equestria BEFORE Celestia and Luna came to power as shown in the Season 4 premiere. He ruled it and Celestia and Luna came to challenge him to help the ponies of Equestria. Celestia also clearly knew Starswirl seeing that he's a long time friend. I think that means starswirl is probably a pony that came after Discord's fall when Celestia might have been looking for someone to take the thrown after Luna's change to Nightmare moon.
The only thing that makes me confused at this theory is the question, is Draconequus a species? The saying "the only one of his kind" could be taken that he's the only creature like himself or that his race is gone except him. IF Discord is the only creature that exist as himself, then the Starswirl been Discord theory or that Starswirl created Discord theory can be true. But if Draconequus is a species, it seems too coincidental that Starswirl's incident created or made himself become a Draconequus, rather than a monster no one has ever seen before in the history of Equestria.
Also, Princess Celestia describes him as the "Spirit of Chaos" which would assume he's always had that form... For that reason I don't think the Draconequus is a species, but it also makes the Discord= Starswirl argument look weak... Good point though. /)
With recent revelations in the four part series in the comic of MLP Friendship is Magic I'd say this finally shows that Discord and Star Swirl are separate. But for a stronger reason to why they're not the same person/pony/being is that Star Swirl was present for Celestia and Luna's rule of Equestria after they imprisoned Discord.
Interesting thoughts, though one must remember that at the start of Season 4, Celestia mentions it's been only 1 year since Twilight was sent to Ponyville, Nightmare Moon was unsealed, Twi found friends and the Elements of Harmony, then freed Luna from Nightmare Moon's control.
So that's 65 episodes of stuff occurring over the one year (and some of them taking a week or two in-episode time), and Season 3's events at the latest could be early-Summer IF the Summer Sun Celebration is equivalent to the Summer Solstice (and Mayor Mare's line at ~19:20 in FiM S1 E1 indicates SSC is basically Summer Solstice), so if we finagle the episodes to try and fit Luna eclipsed with Nightmare Night (Halloween) to be in S1 before Winter Wrap Up (the last day of Winter before the start of Spring but after Fall Weather Friends, that means most of Season 1 & 2 occur during mid-late summer through Autumn/Fall, then a (short) Winter (since Hearths Warming Eve seems to be roughly like Christmas, being middle if winter, and only episode other than WWU to be in or near Winter) and Season 3 happens during a Spring/Summer going into S4.
So that means Discord's appearances could be as soon as (like) 1 month apart, but no more than 5 months apart (if after Winter Wrap-Up) or 8 months apart (if around the time of Nightmare Night) if we give a one-month buffer between Keep Calm And Flutter On and Princess Twilight Sparkle. Personally, I'd put his appearance in Return of Harmony as shortly after Winter Wrap Up (so VERY early Spring) to try and give a decent buffer between then and Keep Calm And Flutter On.
Of course, trying to wrangle the first three seasons into a timeline that fits somewhat in line with a typical 52-week/13-lunar month/12-calendar month year, gets to be a bit of a headache even for someone who's good at trying to figure out that sort of stuff.
I kinda think that this history you showed is pretty obvious. I don't think there's any debate that Discord could be Star Swirl the Bearded. Really its just headcanon territory that swings all depending on your preference.
I like to think that celestia and luna were already in power when discord came into existence, and there was an epic fight (that luna and celestia lost), and they witnessed the destruction of equestria as they failed to defeat him. They immediately hide near the outskirts of ponyville, and the world is in a state of chaos for a long time. They find the elements of harmony (notice how they look bruised and weary of a long fight) and approach discord on his throne, turning him to stone.
Though you make good points, some of it still doesn't fit to me. She didn't say he didnt have friends. She only said he didn't under STAND it the way twilight did. And if starswirl was that high in society ponies would have to at least try and look for him, or AT LEAST be a LITTLE suspicious to where he would of gone/ disappeared to right? Then all the sudden a dragconacis appears what like a year or so later? I would be suspicious because no one ever found him, and they all knew he was one of the best spell makers/ wizard in history. I also have a agree with Inkrose's theory about out Luna, Celly, and even Discords parents and why we only have 2 blood alicorns where did their parents go? I believe that there was a war between the 2 races while the 3 were children. Ok I'm done this is my opinion. Hoof in the dirt and staying there
I have a theory of my own: Why would the spell effect Starswirl when he cast it yet absolutely nothing happened to Twilight when she cast it? Also if the spell did do that to Starswirl then why would Celestia give Twilight such a dangerous spell?
I actually have a book written by the creators(so therefore it is canon) that is The Journal of the Two Sisters. It begins when they come to power and ends when they get their cutie marks. Discord is never once mentioned. But Starswirl is in the majority of the book. He at one point loses is magic by using it for a spell to powerful for him to do it as much as he did. And when the princesses came to power he was already a bit more than middle-aged
I'm still going to have to agree with KP. In the comics, Starswirl was still there even during Celestia's rule. They travelled worlds together for pete's sakes. Okay, the comics may not be canon.. but neither is your head canon. :P
ok, the theory of the spell was pretty damn interesting. Congrats on thinking about it. After all if that was the case that would explain why someone like him just couldnt finish the spell.
Actually, just one little line from the Season Four finale proves this theory invalid. If Scorpan befriended Starswirl, AKA pretty much the time Tyrek was banished... Then how did Tyrek know who Discord was if Starswirl was him?
I have come to like the idea that StarSwirl the Bearded used magic on the tree of harmony to create the elements of harmony, possibly as a weapon to fight King Sombre, but couldn't control the spell effectively enough. He made the element artifacts but it drained the 5 emotional elements out of him, causing him to be unable to express any of them. (This is defining 'laughter' as purely positive laughter and distinct from 'mockery', so one would still see humour and laugh without the laughter element but only in malicious ways.) The magic backlash transformed his body and gave him immense power causing him to become an embodiment of chaos. They had said that both Discord and Sombra were 1000 years ago, the two events were somewhat close together. We also have no idea how much time passed between the hearthswarming migration and the rule of Discord, StarSwirl could have been Twilight's age during the migration and an old man when Sombra showed up. They also don't say how long Discord was in power, I tend to think given the extreme nature of his manipulation Ponies wouldn't have survived long under him. How does one grow crops when the dirt could turn into marshmallows and the crops could turn into fish? It makes sense to me that Discord's rule may have only lasted as long as it took the princesses to find the elements of harmony. Also, in the flashback episode Discord clearly knew what the elements were, what the tree of harmony was, where the tree of harmony was, how to weaken the tree and that doing so would force them to put the elements back into it. He has extensive knowledge of what the elements are and how they work, beyond what Celestia knows. It makes sense that he made them.
@The Brony Notion Here's an updated version: Sombra was Starswirl's student, he stole the 'inspiration manifestation' spell book and used it's power to create an army of shapeshifting monsters with which to conquer the Crystal Empire, turning it all to crystal and even giving the ponies there the crystal form because of his obsession with crystals. Starswirl used the same spell to combat Sombra, but it wasn't enough by itself so he used the spell's power on the tree of harmony to create the elements of harmony, draining the emotions linked to the elements from him in the process and turning him into Discord. Sombra ruled the north while Discord ruled the south until his younger student Celestia and her sister Luna could find the elements of harmony and use them to defeat both and drive the Changeling army into exile but not before Sombra could infect Luna with his dark magic which slowly corrupted her and years later turned her into Nightmare Moon and IT'S ALL CONNECTED!!!!!
YESSS! As I was watching today's episode, I thought Rarity was turning pony-ville into a Crystal Empire! I do however believe the empire was originally crystal because of non-evil elements like the crystal heart. It was interesting how Twilight called what happened "Dark Magic"! /)
@The Brony Notion Good point about the crystals. This theory would make Equestria Sombra's home, Perhaps he chose to go to the Crystal Empire and conquer it rather than conquering Equestria because it was already crystalline, fitting his obsession.
@The Brony Notion I was thinking about your video where you said that Sombra's defeat must have been before Discord, and they didn't use the elements of harmony to do it. I think you're right, so I've revised my timeline.
Sombra uses the inspiration spell, it becomes clear he intends to become a villain. StarSwirl uses the spell to fight him in Canterlot and fails, Sombra then conquers the Crystal Empire with the Changeling army. Celestia and Luna train in their magic with the intent of defeating him, but it's a while before they are strong enough (otherwise Sombra is defeated too soon, it makes more sense if he rules for at least a couple of years) Celestia and Luna eventually head north to defeat Sombra, StarSwirl stays behind and tells them he has a plan to create magical artifacts that will aid them if their current power proves insufficient. StarSwirl becomes Discord and conquers Equestria in their absence, they successfully defeat Sombra and drive the Changelings into exile, only to return home to utter chaos and the suffering of their people. The sisters are completely unaware that Discord is StarSwirl, thinking that he killed their mentor. They delve into his research to find out what the elements of harmony are and where to find them. They defeat Discord, never learning the fate of StarSwirl and take their places as Princesses and Equestria's rulers, using their magic to repair Discord's damage and take control of the ruined solar system. And of course, Luna becomes NightMare Moon because of slow corruption from Sombra's dark magic.
The show disproves this, actually. Tirek's brother knew Star Swirl the Bearded, and Celestia and Luna were in power. Since the sisters were currently ruling, Discord was still stone, and therefore couldn't be present otherwise. Even if they weren't in power, Tirek was first defeated before Star Swirl has transformed, but somehow he recognized Discord in the S4 finale.
This may have already been put forward but there is one other part that could lend itself to this theory, and remember ponies, this is theory. Only the writers know where they are heading. But take note that Celestia gave Fluttershy the task of making friends with Discord. This would be quite apt when you consider Starswirl was not very good on the friendship part which is an accurate point. In a way, could Celestia know the truth and be attempting to bring back Starswirl through the magic of friendship.........the mind boggles but its great fun to think abou it!
I disagree. If Starswirl had no friends, I don' t believe the spell would work. Which would be why he he gave up trying to finish his spell, and leaves Equestria. With one of the most powerful unicorns gone, Discord decides it should be safe to mess around with Equestria.
Read the journal of the 2 sisters, they did not become princesses after discord was turned to stone. After the land was named eqeustria, the sisters were asked to be their leaders.
Well, most headcannon says that discord was there when Tia and Luna were BORN. And the fact the discord is a draquonanous means that that is a type of species it is and is not a big mash of everything.
Why does nobody ever make the assertion that Sombra is Starswirl? It did happen around the same time, and with Starswirl's time magic, it would explain why the crystal kingdom was popping in and out of existence every thousand years. And since we know that Starswirl was a scholar among other things, is it not more plausible, that Starswirl was in the process of studying the dark magic and fell to its corruption, thus becoming the dark unicorn Sombra? Seems far more likely to me. It would also explain why Celestia and Luna never mention Starswirl when talking about Discord, and why they didn't seek his aid in fighting Discord. Or you know, HERE'S a novel idea. Starswirl was JUST a unicorn. An admittedly brilliant unicorn yes, but still just a unicorn, and like all unicorns, he DIED of old age. End of story. No freaky transformations, no dark corruption, no immortality spells, he JUST died, that's it. And considering that Celestia, in her role as wise mentor, never even mentions any of the dangers or warning signs associated with these other theories, to Twilight Sparkle, I am inclined to go with the natural death theory.
0___o THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!! Well, Sombra's character does desperately need a back-story. There's something to your theory, but I'm sticking to mah guns on this one. Reason Being the pieces seem to fit together better in the Discord = Starswirl theory, like how the unfinished spell would have scrambled his body. Your probably right though. Good thinking dude! /)
@The Brony Notion (\ Much appreciated. I actually have a few thoughts on that spell as well. Celestia clearly states that Starswirl was never able to get it right, and thus abandoned it, so to me, that would suggest that history (if not Celestia herself) was aware of what happened to him during and after his attempts with the spell, and since I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed him turning into a Draconaquis, I would speculate that nothing happened. Which leads to my next point. What if nothing /actually/ happened when he cast it? What if the only reason it did anything when Twilight cast it, is because the elements of harmony were right there, and since the elements are linked to her friends, it was as if they were right there with her, thus allowing the spell to affect them. And since, like you said, it seems like Starswirl had few, if any friends, it's completely possible that he was alone most of the time, thus giving his spell nobody to effect, causing it to simply do nothing. Which brings me to my last point, the spell itself. If you pay attention to the wording of the spell, it becomes clear that it's a destiny spell, or a spell to change destiny, and not simply a 'swapping' spell, thus why it only affected their cutie marks, the pictorial representation of their special abilities, the things that tell them what they are meant to do in life, a symbol of their destiny. So even if Starswirl got the spell to work with or without others being around and the spell had backfired on him, I would postulate that all that would have happened was that he got his cutie mark switched, not his body, and certainly not just pieces of his body. But again, that's just how it looks to me.
maybe Celestia helped to keep her subjects in ignorance in the same way she made everyone forget Luna even existed and instead she was remembered as simply a fairytale
in the season 4 finale they show the antagonist's brother actually befriend starswirl, but this all occurred during the rule of the princesses so... theory has fault in it and the writers have to get there sh** together when writing proper equestrian lore
Both of you have very strong opinions with lots of evidence to back them up with. They both fit really well. Thus, I am confused as to which side I should take :/ Maybe I should create my own head canon....
If the writer of the show says he isn't Starswirl the Bearded, why do you say, "Oh, the creators are wrong, even though they made the whole backstory for Discord."
There's two different approaches to this, #1 is whether or not it looks like the writers are going to do this in the future, or #2 whether or not it would work in the shows cannon. I took the second approach, but both are valid. Megan McCarthy doesn't have full say over what is to happen in the future anyway.
While I understand where you're going... I still feel like if a writer said it isn't true, I would feel like it wouldn't be. But, we all think different things about the show, you're intitled to think he is Star Swirl. ^^;
Starswirls's spell was a failure, something incomplete, therefor not meant to do that exactly if i recall ... and even if it was his intention, he did not make a transforming spell, only one spell that changed a ponies personality/cutiemark/ or something else...
BUt you have one good point, Starswirls the bearded could have transformed into Discord without witnesses..
The sisters reign was longer, because after solidifying there rule, they took on Sombre. The Crystal empire was in the far reaches of Equestria, so it was technically a different country.( you could also assume Sombre dark magic infected and somehow created Queen Chrysalis). Afterwords Luna was also infected by dark magic, banished, and the wonderbolts (and rainbow factory) was created to relieve Celestia.
Hmmmmm.... I think this might be right. I read a comic, and it seemed like that star swirl and Tia and Star Swirl were very good friends. I watched the end of season four. Discord gives Tia roses. If they were good friends, maybe Star Swirl ended up liking Tia. He probably held on to his love after he turned to Discord, thus giving Tia flowers. 😃
although all these reasons are fitting, the fact that the spell transformed him doesn't make sense, it clearly shows it only has the power to change someones destiny and thoughts, like they thought they were each other, meh i'm having writing block today :I, but still the spell only seems to twist the facts and personalities not a whole persons body shape, and with star swirls knowledge and logic there's no reason for him to transform let alone want to, plus its highly unlogical if the all of a sudden starts wanting to hurt other ponies, plus the whole theory is really unneeded and out of the topic in the first place and BAM here it comes taking the makers by surprise since there's no much against it, i mean what famous unicorn would want to give it up and i bet that they'll make a new episode in the future stating that star swirl lived his life to the end.
i don't think that spell theory would work because the spell swapped their destiny's not their identity's, so probably when star swirl used the spell it probably had no affect. plus if the spell did work like that he probably would have asked tia and luna for help they did know each other after all.
this is a good thoery. How ever I only ask one question of you. When gaining his draguoniquos form did it START the gain choas, did this shadows take over, or did he relize all he could do and put it to task. Though in keep calm flutter on, I feel like in beauty in the beast all this will be revealed because star swirl will find his true destiny once again.
But how could Star Swirl be Celestia's past student if they weren't in power yet and he was Discord when they could have met? How could they have previously met and why was he her student when she was not in need of an heir/ a ruler? OH! She was looking for someone to replace her at her sun duties when she dies. But then why choose an old man? Unless being her student has nothing to do with being an apprentice and she was just teaching him alicorn/strong magic.
this does make since but wouldn't he try to turn himself back or at least tell someone like celestia? and if twilight figured it out he could turn himself back or again he likes his new form and wants to keep it a secret. plus i don't think fluttershy and starswirl ( discord ) could be together. seeing them together would just be a little weird discord though not so bad.
You missed something. Discord could also be Starswirl because of other reasons that you missed BECAUSE of disregarding the comics. Try thinking about how cheerful and funny he was in the comics. That could actually make a big difference in some stuff. Now it might not actually directly explain HOW he is Discord, but there are some supporting facts. Just think, if Starswirl was very cranky, angry and basically terrible, he'd probably come of mare evil and malicious. But Discord was more of a funny chaotic type, and he was always so happy and laughing. And when you think about it, Starswirl, as stated in the comics 'Acts more like Pinkie Pie than Twilight'... and He said 'And my favorite element... laughter!'. So he likes laughter and likes to be different and is always laughing just like Starswirl. Their personalities match up, and Discord isn't even all that evil. It wasn't like he was freaking killing ponies, just cause unhappiness and unrest, yet I have a feeling it was just him playing pranks until everyone started hating it. So it all matches up.
In Twilight's Kingdom, they say that Tirek's brother (I forget his name) was friends with Starswirl The Bearded. This disproves your head cannon because your theory relies on the fact Starswirl didn't have friends, though it is stated he did. :) /)
So Starswirl WAS more sociable that we thought he was... I'm not really leaning towards this theory anymore myself, but the explanation I gave was only one of the several possibilities of how the transformation could have taken place. It doesn't necessarily disprove it. Good thinking though! /)
You said that Star Swirl's spell was for mixing up the spell-caster's friends(not necessarily on purpose... or was it?) maybe, if he really had no friends, that might have made sense, but in the show, it doesn't say anything about the spell mixing up anyone's friends, just about it confusing and changing specifically the elements of harmony. What you said might be the case, because Twilight was the one who cast the spell, and her friends just happen to be the spirits representing the elements of harmony.
On the other hoof, what you said might be the case, because Twilight was the one who cast the spell, and her friends just happen to be the spirits representing the elements of harmony, so they were changed.
I'm on KP's team, If Star swirl the Bearded IS Discord, why would Celly show so much hatred for him? (rolls eyes) I want this theory to end so badly, I might cry if it doesn't...
What if, ignoring comics, Starswirl the Bearded ruled Equestria in the time mentioned in hearts warming eve and the ponies chose Starswirl as a ruler to all ponies ,but he was strict, causing ponies to be unhappy. Tia and Luna opposed him and when trying to use the elements on him, turned him into Discord because he wasn't bad. Ponies still respected him and the princesses didn't tell anyone in fear of hatred towards them. They used it again after he became was bitter from rejection from the ponies and caused chaos out of anger.
I happen to agree with brony nation since he did not have friends his spell backfired and turned him into a mix of animals thus he kept it a secret and hid.
i find the starswirld theory to be really far fetched, when he said he did not understood friendship as well as you do, does NOT mean he didnt have friends
Star Swirl did indeed have friends, but like Celestia said, he didn't understand friendship magic fully and he wasn't linked to the Elements. But putting the Discord = Star Swirl theory aside. What did the unfinished spell do on someone who wasn't linked to the Elements of Harmony? He must have at least tested the spell to conclude it wasn't working, right?
My Theory... Is That Discord CAN Be Part Of Starswirl... Maybe When His Spell Gone Wrong His "Crazy" Or Even "Magic" Side, Separated From Him, Creating The First Draconaquis Ever! "Discord" =D
Um i find this highly inaccurate you must remember that Discord is a race of his own, so if Star Swirl is a unicorn how can he automatically change his race to Discord's Race( I forget it) And Discord was the ruler of Equestria, and Star swirl could have been a court mage if he was never taught Friendship and how would a spell that changes Friendship Change him if he has no friends to change, you have many hole in your theory my dear friend ,and why would he change his own name to discord, Star Swirl, if he taught ponies wouldn't wanna cause chaos when he wanted to leave a legacy behind, and you must also remember that Discord gave Flowers to Celestia, did it never occur to you that Celestia would never mention this about Starswirl (Too many holes sheesh) And i will not accept your theory until Discord admits it for himself. I have more corrections but i am not of will to say it. And Discord doesn't have the Wisdom of Star Swirl The bearded, he only has chaotic lesson teaching wisdom. He is like the cat in the hat
i'm with kp on this your hole argument rests on starswirls spell causing a personal transformation nothing like what is what it dose for someone with friends and the fact that discord would not tell anyone he was starswirl. discord likes to show off, and with this in mind, I would think he would see his transformation into the all powerful being he is today as something to boast about therefor he would tell everyone he is star swirld
this video was made before the season 4 finally where discord digeses himself as a pony I think if starswirld discort could do that then he would hide his from and work on a cure
What gives you the right to do this... Megan: I am the show back story maker and head writer, and I say Discord is NOT Star swirl. You: Even though you write everything, this is why you, THE SHOW WRITER, is /wrong/.
I mean really, that isn't cool. If she says Discord isn't Star swirl, he isn't.
I like this headcanon, but didn't Celestia raise Star Swirl to be the powerful pony he was? If that's true then Star Swirl couldn't have lived before Celestia.
To the best of my knowledge, all the theories of Starswirl being mentored by Celestia are head-canons. It's tricky because the comics show that they lived in the same era, but whether those are canon or not is still up for debate. I think Starswirl lived before mainly because in the Christmas episode, Clover knew Starswirl. The events of that story, according to Spike, came long before the reign of the two princesses.... but that's also debatable, because the flag they put up in that play had the princesses on it. Good question /)
Now that you mention it, this fact doesn't only clash with the headcanon but also with canon. So either the Christmas episode has a flaw or maybe Celestia made him a great wizard before she and Luna ruled over Equestria?
but couldnt it stand to reason that Starswirl made discord because he felt lonely and needed a friend or son but during when he brought discord to life discord killed him in some accident
honestly, in season five and behond, starswirl may even come back, AS A PONY he is a powerful unicorn after all, just imagen the episode tite HEES BAAACCK.
I think I agree with ILoveKimPossibleAlot. I don't think Discord is Starswirl. Just look up Starswirl's Frankenstein. I think Discord was created by Starswirl.
I wouldn't be surprised if Starswirl turned out to be Discord. Nor that the ponies of old missed that connection. They didn't seem to connect the olden pony tale of the Mare on the Moon with Nightmare Moon, nor with the missing Princess of the Night. My personal head cannon is that while working on that spell Twilight mastered at the end of season 3, he accidentally turned himself into his present form and went mad(so to speak).
Another theory is in the season 3 finale Princess Celestia said he did not understand friendship like twilight does than in Keep Calm and Flutter On at first DISCORD was just USING fluttershy so she would not use her element against him than he says "I lost the one friend I ever had" and finally in "Threes a crowd" Discord says that Fluttershy is the only pony who truly understands him
1: not UNDERSTANDING frendship doesnt meen no friends. 2: the spell was broken. it could have made a huge explosion, cause the moon to crash to earth, a ton of different things could have happened. Everything else i think is valid.
PLZ READ: discord was not turn to stone before Luna and Cele's ruling if you read the journal of the two sisters it took place from when Cele and Luna was crowned till when they got there cutie marks and they didnt find the elments till after they where crowned princeses and in that manner they seid nothing of discord so it was after they got their cutie marks but i DO think discord is Star swirl because it seid that he had a brown beard insted of a white one so he could of turn into discorn after they got there cutie marks also if you want more info plz read the book
Discord couldnt be starswirll because, when tia and luna turned him to stone tia said "I will always love you, my friend" which means discord, tia and luna all new each other before, and if they were friends he would tel tia and luna, get it.
This video was made several months before Twilight's kingdom actually. I looked for evidence to disprove this iin that episode, but couldn't find any. If you have something that doesn't fit from that episode, let me know! As for the comics, I haven't read them yet, but I plan to in the near future.
...... Yo, can you guys not connect dots correctly? Oh wait, there's no dots to connect!! Where does Discord=Star Swirl even conform?! It makes no sense... Discord is a dranqunicus! They even say that's what he is! So your basically saying Star Swirl made up a while new species! He ain't god! I.... This.... My brain hurts from trying to comprehend how this even came to be a canon....
Maybe he is not. I have a MLP comic book IDW MLP sold in Hot Topic. Honolulu, Hawaii Alamoana Mall is where I got it. Young Celestia knew Star Swirled himself. In a way Celestia was his friend. They studied magic together and experimented the magic portals that was shown in Equestria Girls. At this moment Luna was still banished but Celestia was at power. During that according to you Discord is in stone while Star Swirl is ALIVE. I have comic issues 17, 18, and 19
It doesn't make sent because the time line is wrong and discord was release before luna escape from the moon again and she came back after a few months. She put herself back on the so she can have some alone time to herself to think more of what she had done. Then she came to night mare night and she scared children but she realized that it was fun to be scared.
ok, here's my reasoning as to why discord isn't star swirl simply put I don't think one can simply 'become' a dracanaquse (I know I butchered that, forgive me XP) to me it seems to be the thing you ether are or are not like you ether are or you are not a unicorn or you ether are or you are not African amarican
i'm not agree with the 1000 years of stoned discord because nightmare moon was banished 1000 years and discord was stoned before and after the banishment!
Yet discord was REformed a few eps later he changed To EVIL ONCE AGAIN |( few mins later he learned that some people aren't worth it but what if season 5 or if there is more seasons JUST what if later on the seasons discord is NOT star swirl don't mean to brake it up to you but if discord star I'm saying its a 50% chance
no stop at 1:54 ok when you say he didnt have friends thats not what celelstia is saying she is saying he didnt understand what friendship is unlike twilight who hold the elements of harmony with her friend that have the magic of friendship. so star swirl does not share the elements nor does he know what they do because like you said he was before celestia. so he had friends but didnt understand the true meaning of friendship.
Ok if discord is star swirl the breaded, princess celestia and luna would know. Star swirl did understand friendship but not as much as twilight.didn't you see the writing in the book?
But, just because Starswirl didn't completely understand friendship doesn't mean he had no friends.. Meh. I'm just a supporter of ink roses Headcannon theory I guess/:
to bad for you the comics show star swirl the bearded alive and AS A PONY post Luna's banishment and Luna fought Discord. Finally killing this theory once and for all.
I actually agree, the swamping thing I actually freken agree, what if he did that spell on the animals he is parts of, then he got spawped into them, think about it, if u don't agree tell me nicely, plz I HATE getting yelled at ;-;, anyways that's my agree on the spell.
but on the last episode on mlp that every body saw was twightlights kingdom and discored said he had friendship but he was friends with celestia & luna so mabye if im right starswirl aka discord had to be friends with celestias parents so is discord was bff's with luna and celestia or friends with them he would have told them he was and is starswirl
and maybe the princess are the only 2 that know that if star swral changed into discored he could of gone crazy but to protect his old image they kept it quiet wont say anything abot it?
Hmn I disagree. Starswirl the Bearded was a magical unicorn or whatever. But. He wasnt really evil. Like when Twilight sparkle dressed at him and in threes a crowd, they showed artifacts. Anywho, Discord was alive since he met Celestia and Luna. But its confusing if Discord turned into a tall, pony with different animal pieces, also evil, then Starswirl wasnt a unicorn or good. In the episode Mystery Cure, Celestia said that He never finished the spell, since he didnt know friendship like Twilight. This is very confusing. Also the video has a good theory.
The idea is he went from being a unicorn to a mish-mash of everything. He's not a unicorn anymore. I used to hold this theory as possible, but it has been proven wrong, as we'll see in my next video next Wednesday.
so you're saying that Discord could be Star Swirl the Bearded himself,Really cause that in possible for that to happen
Star Swirl Left,Then Discord Appeared
And Awnser to the Future of Discord Earth Pony Friend is this Season 4 There a Episode called Keep Calm and Flutter on that where discord is free once again but this time He Try to use his power for Good with Fluttershy who will help him using his power for good
wait a second....You said that star swirl the bearded hasn't got any friend .How do you now it??İt saying start swirl the bearded was not able to do because he did not UNDERSTAND the friendship like YOU do.
1.twilight is understand the friendship more than star swirl the bearded
2.Celestia isn't saying that swirl the bearded hasn't got any friend (or something like that).She saying star swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship.It doesn't means star Swirl the bearded hasn't got any friends.It 's not saying that
@The Brony Notion I love this theory, but it can't possibly be correct because it was disproven by Twilight's Kingdom. When Tirek met Discord, he seemed to know him. But Star Swirl and Scorpan put Tirek back to Tartarus, meaning that Star Swirl is STILL ALIVE AFTER Tirek was put back to Tartarus. And since Tirek knew Discord, Star Swirl and Discord sadly can't possibly be the same.
@TheSpeedymouse I did consider this, but if you watch the scene where Discord and Tirek were talking, Tirek didn't seem to know discord personally. He may have learned about Discord by seeing his statue while he was slowly gaining power. Lines like "I congratulate you on you're escape" would hint that he's only seen the frozen version of Discord. /)
@The Brony Notion That's essentially what he said. Because Discord was stone, Discord never met Tirak and Scorpan. They however knew of Discord. Scorpan became friends with Star Swirl while Discord was stone. Thus, Star Swirl isn't Discord.
He must be! I'm sticking with the brony notion this time! And they look alike example they both have beards, the spell must have backfired on him, changing his form,and taking over him completely , making him forget everything he ever experienced, turning him into the master of Chaos!
omg i have so much inspiration for this idea. would it be OK i wrote a fan fic about this theory of yours. it would be amazing if that would be OK with you
I love it so far! Comet is adorable! Just minor spelling errors here and there, like laughed historically instead of hysterically, and stuff like starting sentences with lower case letters. Keep going with this story! /)
@The Brony Notion Simply put, I wish I could remember where, but it has been stated by both hasbro and Andy Price(Artist/Author) that the comics are Cannon, UNTIL the show says otherwise. As such, if the cartoon doesn't break something in the comic story, then the comic story is official.
i disagree with you yes your theory may be true think of this. I belive that twilight even said the Star Swirl was long gone even before discord was introduced to the show. Now never was Celestia and Star Swirl an idem before concidering the fact that he is WAY older than celetia in the regular pony age.
thay never say that he not had friends, only that he don't understand it like twilight do. Star Swirl the Bearded know about the element of harmony? But if he didn't know how can his spell change the element of harmony. But if he didn't had friends i think this spell was a try to make ponies to be his friend. Discord didn't know what the element of harmony did so he had never found them, so he can't have make a spell that change the elements. This is what i don't found strong enough to belive this. Have a nice day
Hey The Brony Notion c: I am planning to make videoes like you in the future, but I wonder of something; Where do you get the clips and which program do you use? ^^
There's a free program called you tube downloader, or YTD. You can put the web link of any video into it, and download them from the internet. I just download episodes from dailymotion.com since YouTube took down all the episodes. I use a program called Adobe Premier Elements 11, but it's not free :(. I hope this helped. :3
@Shadeila You can use Screencastomatic the link is www.screencase-o-matic.com/screen_recorder Its free u may need 2 download it but its free. 15 min. for free but when u buy it it can be 1 whole hour. Idk how much it cost because i use free but Screencast is probaly the best screen recorder i've seen
I REALLY like this idea, but there's just one problem...Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl...
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then again if twilight is star swirl he can go back in time, or into the future. unlikely though, just FYI
5 likesBut knowing him could have been before discords uprising
3 likesChloe Watson This isn't a problem if Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl IT STILL is likely that he could've became Discord!
3 likessame
2 likesyea, finale knew them both, in one episode
0 likesRandomCrack! No it’s not bc if starswirl was discord celestia would have not turned him to stone
0 likeslol yeah
0 likesI know it's already debunked. But there are 2 inconsistencies I've just realized that you've never mentioned in your Discord's Origins video...
23 likes1: Why would Starswirl want to spread chaos? It wouldn't make sense. Unless if he accidentally cursed himself. He is into making spells, but why would he make an attempt to conquer over Equestria?
2: Since his magic allows him to do anything, why can't he just went back to his original form as a pony? If Discord can change his appearance like in the episode three's a crowd he turned himself blue to see if Twilight still trusts him, or in the return of harmony episode where he turned himself into a butterfly to make and "attempt" to corrupt Fluttershy. He can just change back into himself as Starswirl and pretend the change didn't happen and research himself on private to not worry anyone.
Am I the only one who wants to walk up to Discord and say "Star Swirl!" And see if he answers?
8 likesand then, the season 7 finale happened
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WolfGirl_CRO I was gonna say that!
8 likes@Amy Cotter me too
5 likesTo be honest, I really disliked Star Swirl's characterization in that Season 7 finale. His personality, actions, and character all made no sense from the little we heard about him in myths and legends.
19 likesPlus, he was the probably the most hyped up character in MLP and his return was so unbelievably underwhelming. What they did with Star Swirl in the show was one of the biggest wasted opportunities I've ever seen in the show.
Thank you
3 likesbut everything changed when the season 7 finale attacked
10 likesTHANK YOU finally someone who gets it.
2 likes@Obi-Wan Kenobi
1 likeYep
@Some random person just like the fire nation becoming too greedy right?
0 likesYa
0 likesI like this theory, but I agree with KP. Discord is NOT Starswirl.
35 likesI love how after season 7 it was just rubbed into Sawtooth's face that Star Swirl and Discord are completely different characters XD
5 likesLets have an F for this fallen theory
11 likesAnd a few season later,
29 likesStar swirl appears
Him: WHAT IN THE NAME OF CELESTIA JUST HAPPENED!?!?
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Ya
0 likesThis is a good theory, however I recommend reading up on the novelization of "The Journal of the Two Sisters" by Little, Brown. The two sisters were inaugurated as the princesses of equestrian shortly after the events of Hearthswarming Eve and were personally selected by Starswirl the Bearded. I'm not saying that it's not possible for Discord to be Starswirl the Bearded, but I am saying that based on what officially canonized facts we have on hand the transformation took place much later. In fact the journal stops before any of their canonized conflicts with Sombra, Tirek, or Discord. So if the transformation did take place, it most likely did so some time after they stopped writing in the journal. If I were to take a guess I'd say it happened after the defeat of Sombra but before Discord officially began to fool around with Equestria. And jumping into headcanon territory for a moment, I'd say it's linked directly or indirectly to the unfinished spell from the Season 3 Finale Episode 13 "Magical Mystery Cure". The only real wrench in the cog would be the fact that Tirek and Scorpan (much as daHunter3000 stated) came to Equestria after Discord's incarceration in stone. That doesn't mean there isn't a possibility it just means that there is some mystery shrouding it that makes it difficult to say with 100% certainty.
1 likeSeason 7’s finale disproved this.
8 likesWhile now it's confirmed Starswirl is not discord :|
187 likesXC aw man
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XPurple Myth :3 I know. My friend told me about this. I was like well,"you'd think that he'd tell the girls, I AM STAR SWIRL
2 likesfinale changed all. This theory too. the Discord and starsworl in ONE episode.
2 likesGoodbye perfect theory ;<
:(
1 likeThere’s no way this could happen unless star swirl also had a personality swap
2 likesWhile this theory seems good, I do have to bring up one point. Celestia said Starswirl did not understand friendship like Twilight did. Celestia never said he didn't have friends.
2 likesI think Discord was one of those winter-making horse things(from hearths-warming eve), but Star-Swirl was making a different spell that makes physical appearances change. Never mind, I was trying.🐴
1 likeStarswirl the Bearded was the one who befriended Tireks brother. That was while Celestia was in power, with Luna. So, timeline broken.
22 likesThe new Age of peace was after Nightmare moon was banished, not after Discord.
The phrase "long before" implies more than a few decades. At minimum, it would most likely be 50 years, or an Earth-time equivalent. Note that Clover is the STUDENT of Starswirl. This means that Starswirl must have been an adult by the time of Equestria's founding, plus the time added by Spike's narration and the time that Starswirl would need to make himself immortal and I have to ask, how long would this guy have lived before becoming immortal? Frankly, I'm not convinced he could have been alive long enough to become Discord before dying of old age.
0 likesNot to mention that turning himself into Discord via a spell that shuffles other people's destinies around seems far-fetched to me and the sheer difficulty one would have just making an immortality spell.
I wouldn't mind this theory being true. It would definitely add a layer of feels to Discord's reformation and Celestia's reasoning for wanting to reform him, assuming Celestia was around/young at the time that Star Swirl existed and/or was...well, maybe not friends but on good terms with him.
0 likesThere's so much fanfiction that could spring forth from these ideas if it doesn't already exist.
This theory would also explain the whole"a thousand years ago, everything went to crap under the sisters due to villains and dealing with them is postponed untill later" trope. Maybe, because Discord was still Starswirl on the inside, he used his powers to hold other threats to Equestria at bay, similar to the second season of Gurren Lagann. Then, the inexperienced sisters who have yet to fully realize their potential and don't completely understand the Elements, deal with everything Discord was holding back because he isn't around to do it for them. Maybe that is the true reason Celestia wanted to reform Discord. She realized the truth and decided it would be in Equestria's best interest to bring back and re purpose the force that once kept it safe from foreign threats before the sisters. After all, if your kingdom is your playground, you wouldn't want mean neighbors strolling by and trashing it when you're having so much fun there, right?
0 likesSeason 7 later:am I a joke to you?
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BISHH THIS WAS MADE 7 YEARS AGOOO
0 likesOkay, so I totally just had a thought about the whole "John de Lancie doesn't know who Starswirl is" bit. Assuming he's not being deceptive there is a way this could be true. While if season 5 is being made you would expect him to know, what if the story of Starswirl isn't in this season or even the next? What if the MLP movie will involve Star Swirl/Discord's backstory? Think about it. The movie's probably in some pretty early stages as far as production goes, or if not it was at the time this was made nearly 20 months ago. While the writers did have this idea, Lancie was not debriefed on this because he had not yet been called in to employ his talents on the voice acting part.
0 likesOh man. I just made myself even more hyped for a movie that won't be out in...what is it...TWO YEARS?!
Honestly, I'm glad Discord wasn't Starswirl. I like Discord as he is
3 likesI think that when Starswirl was turned into discord, he was kept concealed: by the princesses or otherwise, and then ponies just remembered him as the wonderful and noble magician who one day wondered off. No one knowing that instead of just leaving and never coming back, he was transformed into the mismatched creature-soon to be known as discord.
0 likesThe thing i we have NEVER been told that a pony CAN actually change their appearance so much that they become another being.
4 likesTake Nightmare Moon, Luna may have become her BUT Nightmare was STILL a pony
Twilight, she became an alicorn princess but all she had added to her was a pair of wings.
The Siren's were changed into humans because they were sent to the human world (just like Twilight is changed when she goes to the human world)
There is NOWHERE that is stated that some personality spell (or anything else) can CHANGE the actual form of a pony without, at least, their very form, staying the way it is (as I said, like with Luna) so Discord being Star Swirl and Star Swirl being Discord makes no sense at all. We were told Discord was a Draconequus and whilst he has the head of a pony that means nothing for a few reasons and one being that he is in a world that is run by ponies as the dominant species so yes, he would have a pony aspect about him somewhere but in that same regard he also has a claw of a dragon, an antler and wings as well.
Also, there is also the fact that the spell Twilight read out changed the DESTINIES of her friends NOT their personalities, we just saw them in bad situations where they were not showing their real personalities but if you sat down Rarity you may have seen her be interested in fashion if you were talking to her over a muffin or talking to Fluttershy in the spa and see she loves animals. If you sat them down in normal situations where you could just chat away then how do you know that they wouldn't tell you what they REALLY wished they wanted to do but couldn't for obvious reasons?
So yes, I don't think Star Swirl is Discord and Discord is NOT star Swirl, because not only for the above that I said but because this is Twilight, she is a MASSIVE bookworm, heck, she probably is the queen of books, if this was lost to pony history SHE would of read up about it somewhere, maybe not a lot, but she would of seen hints or something that maybe would have stopped her to question something only to do some more digging, remember what Celestia said to her back in the first episode of season 1? She had to get out of the library and make friends, meaning, she LIVED in the library! It seemed like that unless she went out for 5 minutes of fresh air or got something to eat she never left the library and she was in Canterlots library, one of the biggest libraries in the land, so if she didn't pick up a single hint, no matter how small, from all the books she had read then I can't see Discord and Star Swirl being one in the same she she still loves Star Swirl for the pony he is.
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What about when Twilight turned the Mane 6 into Breezies?
0 likes@Chloe Gilson Breezies are still technically ponies, they are smaller ponies with longer legs (but then Celestia has longer legs also then a normal pony so...) but they just have antennae and more fairy sort of wings so once again, still pony form (a different sort of pony look about them but they could still be classed as a sort of pony and thus they haven't actually changed from a pony into a cow or a donkey or something, the essentially are still ponies even if they are tiny.
0 likes@TheLostLenore How about when Fluttershy turned into that horrifying bat/pony hybrid? I think the only reason she didn't transform to the same extent as Discord is because Twilight reversed the spell before it could get to that point. Also I think it's important to note that Twilight seemed to accidentally cast the spell on the ELEMENTS OF HARMONY... not her friends. That did have some physical changes. And, being so connected to their Elements, it explains why it would screw with their destinies so much.
0 likes+TheLostLenore We actually don't have any proof that the spirit that took over Luna was a pony in the first place. Since we don't know how it came to be. Only a rough idea of what it becomes when it inhabits another pony's body like Luna's.
1 likeThe only problem is that now Starswirl is back in Equestria. But lets not dissmiss this theory. We all know that Starswirl can make a time travel spell to be in two places at once. Maybe that's what he used to be discord while he was in Limbo. Also, random question. Does anyone else think that Starswirl looks insanely similar to Albus Dumbledore from Harry Potter, or is that just me?
1 likeSo if this toes in with Twilight being Clover The Clever, then Discord is Twilights mentor at some point in the timeline. You know what? This actually supports that theory since Twilight looks up to Starswirl and would want to be taught by him by going into the past. Then she decides to live in the past as Clover and eventually witnesses Starswirl's accidental transformation. And this also explains why he wasn't shunned from society, because Clover would have taken measures to keep it a secret. Of course, this is assuming that Clover stayed with Starswirl, and whether she did is up for debate.
0 likesI generally consider Discord to be CREATED by Starswirl- then again, I have a complex headcanon that G4 is the distant, post-apocalyptic future of G1.5 and that magic REALLY did exist in that time, but it kept itself hidden. Starswirl was like Sunset Shimmer, and Celestia was one of his only friends- in this time, Alicorns were actually more common than pegasi, and Changelings were more or less part of Unicorn society. Starswirl was a bit of a mad scientist, and his special talent was trickery/bluffing, but he was rather smart. When he was a colt, Starswirl discovered he was destined to end the world, and thus got interested in changing destinies. He created Discord as an artificial biological intelligence, and Discord ultimately sent the world into chaos. Starswirl fled underground, having already discovered his own way to immortality. Celestia and Luna defeated Discord using the Elements of Harmony, and, prevent keep the ponies of Equestia safe, Celestia and Luna decide to keep the truth a secret. Discord's powers left Celestia and Luna the only alicorns, and Celestia's actual special talent is leadership- inspiring others to stand with her, whilst Luna's true one is prophecy, but they're keeping up a lie so that nopony finds out the truth and gets hurt like before. Celestia didn't want her friends (Starswirl, Clover, Cookie, and Hurricane) who lead to Discord's creation to be remembered in a negative light, as they were still her friends, so she decided to honor them alongside her friends that helped her do good (Pansy and Platinum) as well as her and Luna's favorite dessert restaurant franchise as ponies who helped found Equestria in a story she and Luna made up. Also, Smart Cookie was Starswirl's little sister, and Starlight Glimmer is her descendent.
0 likesI highly doubted that Discord had any relation to Star Swirl, let alone be Star Swirl at first. I even believed this before the Season 4 finale. I honestly believe Discord and Star Swirl are two completely different individuals.
0 likesI love your theory! But i am not really sure about Discord (after being turned into Star Swirl) waited years and years and then decided to have some fun and take over Equstria. I think that it was more that after his form swiched he couldn't remember who he was before and got kind of kurupted. Like when Twilight's friends cutie marks swich by the same spell, they didn't remember the pony they were before, or that they had a different cutie mark before. And i think the same problem happened with Discord/Star Swirl! Like if you agree!!!😜
1 likeJust one question....
56 likesHowcould a personality swap spell end up changing someone's appearance? Mental spells I don't think could become a physical spell. If this happened to Star Swirl, then his personality would have changed, just like the mane six, not change him into a completely different species. If this is what happened, why didn't it happen to the mane six? Not to be rude, but I think your theory may have some plot holes in it, bro.
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*Equestria *can *happen
0 likesNo it's not in girly voice it's eqestria anything can happen bake to my voice ITS THE NEXT SEASON IS DISCORD STAR SWIRL NO SO Y SAY THAT!!!!👾
0 likesI quite literally cannot understand what you are trying to tell me in that last sentence of yours.
4 likesi think i remember discord created a spell to change shape or something. if he swapped his personality, giving him more powers, immortality and some sort of insanity, he most likely wouldve used this spell to adapt his form to his new personality.
0 likesor the spell just happened to cast itself and changed him, and because he found it looked better he kept it or soemthing.
Actually, mental spells have become physical ones. Recall how Twilight and Fluttershy's attempt to make it so fruit vampire bats wouldn't eat the fruit resulted in Fluttershy basically changing species. Granted that may have been two magics working together but still.
6 likes@tetsiga45XxX You have some pointers, but I just don't think I can believe that Star Swirl the Bearded can be Discord. I'll respect your thoughts, though :{P
2 likes@Jessie Pants I actually don't think he is. I was just pointing out a fact. But thank you for being respectful.
6 likesLike Tetsiga said, there are some instances where mental spells became physical ones in the show.
0 likesMaybe the spell he used switched him up as a sort of punishment or experiment gone wrong. I mean, look at what the spell did, it switched up the destinies of people, and when Twilight completed it she became an alicorn. Maybe Starswirl was trying to get more power by turning into an alicorn with that spell, but it went awry because it was worded wrong.
@Alma Martinez Actually the alicornization fo Twilight was due to Celestia making her one, not the spell she completed.
4 likes@tetsiga45XxX Really? I mean, yeah it's a bit weird that Celestia is in that celestial (huehue) plain along with Twilight, but she triggered the transportation and as far as I know the magic that turned her into an alicorn came from her body.
0 likesStill though, why else would Star Swirl need that spell? Like Celestia had said, he didn't understand friendship all that well, and it's safe to say that maybe he caused at least some sort of chaos when he casted his unfinished spell (if he ever did).
@Alma Martinez Notice she wasn't an alicorn when she was transported to the spirit plain. If the spell was meant to make somepony an alicorn I would think it would've happened instantly and not require a trip down memory lane.
0 likesDont You Remember when the mane six's cutie marks were switched? That Was Physical owo
0 likes@xSASS1993x Alex Simmons Well 5 of the 6's
0 likes@xSASS1993x Alex Simmons Cutiemarks are more of a personality thing than a physical one. At least, kind of.
2 likesMaybe Starswirl intentionally changed his look after he changed his personality knowing that he would be recognized and his studies would be shunned.
0 likes@***** Mind making a more condensed version of that? Or at least a bulleted list?
1 like@Jessie Pants Wellllll since he didn't have friends or anyone close to switch personalities with, I'm guessing the spell must have changed his appearance because if you think about it, the parts of the bodies to different things which would make it seem like personalities to be switched? I know this sounds weird but I don't even know anymore...I have a great feeling that his theory is right tho, because the proof provided connected all the links.
0 likes@Jessie Pants It didn't change their personalities though, just their cutie marks and probably memories associated with said marks. It could absolutely have changed Starswirl into a chaotic monster, because it caused chaos in the ponies.
1 like@Jessie Pants It didn't change their personalities though, just their cutie marks and probably memories associated with said marks. It could absolutely have changed Starswirl into a chaotic monster, because it caused chaos in the ponies.
1 like@Jessie Pants Well, maybe the Draconaquis.. Dradonoquis? I can't spell it, are ponies that are Evil and mischievous, or become that way, that were transformed into what discord is. His spell simply changed his personality to that of Evil and Mischief instead of one of Good and Order (I KNOW THIS GOS AGAINST MY OTHER THEROY! IT'S JUST A RESPONSE!).
0 likesThat's highly unlikely. What about Trixie?
0 likes+Jay D. A pony's cutiemark is their personality, it's who they are. When Discord took the mane 6's cutiemarks, they forgot who they were as a person and became someone else.
0 likesUm, no. A pony's cutie mark is their special talent, not their personality.
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@Timothy Domingo Trixie was Evil, sure, but she wanted CONTROL over ponies, not everyone to be in chaos. Discord obviously has no control other others
1 likeIt's not even a hypothesis. Discord is the solitary example; you have no variables. In fact, you cannot prove that it happened to Discord for sure, so you just can't say it now.
0 likesWell, ponies are peaceful creatures, so only having starswirls being turned into one by a magic spell gone wrong is possible.
0 likes@Jessie Pants The spell wasn't a personality swap as much as it was a swap of destinies. The Mane Six's personalities stayed exactly the same... The only difference is that they were trying to complete each others' roles.
0 likesAnother point is that Twilight didn't directly cast the spell on her friends. I think she actually cast it on the Elements of Harmony by accident. Since the Mane Six are strongly connected to their respective Elements, I can see how that would screw up their cutie marks.
Also, if we think back to the episode "Bats!" when Fluttershy turned into that terrifying bat/pony hybrid... Her absorbing the desire shouldn't imply a physical change either. Perhaps it was her currently mentality that caused the transformation... and the very same thing could have happened to Discord.
If she cast it on the elements, then it switched the magic witch they were connected to, so when star swirl did it, it swapped his magic with the inverse- magic of chaos and discord..... hence creating discord.
2 likes@Jessie Pants I agree that a mental spell would not just become a physical spell otherwise the mane 6 would have swapped looks. also this theory is disproven by the book The Journal Of The Two Sisters. Read it and weep
1 like@Rachel Webb This.
0 likesagree'd, i'd think it would change the ponies around him, not himself.
0 likes@jewel jammer But what if he didn't have any friends to change? Remember, when Twilight cast the spell, it altered the Elements of Harmony. So we can probably assume that it was a spell to bring ponies together in harmony, right? However, Starswirl did not have any friends ("...because Starswirl did not understand friendship...") OR the Elements, so the spell could have affected him instead. Discord also did not understand friendship (until the Season 4 finale), and he is the epitome of disharmony. As for the issue of Discord being imprisoned while Starswirl was presumably around, what is one of Starswirl's (AND Discord's) specialties? Time travel. Twilight was "always" meant to be an Alicorn, right? That's why Celestia was always watching over her. So, with that logic, Starswirl was "always" meant to become Discord, effectively causing a time loop. A big question is, where is Starswirl now? Celestia never mentions his whereabouts, he is never seen (only mentioned in history books), and we know that he is proficient in time-travel. What if Starswirl turned into Discord, went back in time, and started the whole "Discord vs Celestia and Luna" business? This would cause the timeline to move forward. Somewhere in the timeline, Starswirl disappears. Unless it can be proven where Starswirl went, or if Starswirl shows up in a future episode, I'm sticking by the theory that Discord and Starswirl are the same being.
1 likeJessie Pants your life has some plot holes in it :)
0 likesConsidering the fact that Twilight was able to release her friends after she completed the spell, Discord most likely would've been reverted to his original state as Starswirl, also, when Starswirl was alive, there were not ponies who represented the elements, so when he messed up the spell, the elements themselves would just be switched. But this would mean that the elements today are different than the ones before Starswirl wrote the spell, and maybe time has caused equestria to adapt?
0 likesI was kind of hoping for this to be canon, but now after reading the comments, I think the pony of shadows theory is even better, because this would mean Star Swirl will not only turn up at some point in the show but also will he have his own personality... let's see what will be canon
0 likesthe unfinished spell only changed the talents of the mane 6 through the elements of harmony but never physically changed the stones or elements and discord can change living creatures physically and mentally and in season 5 the antagonist for episodes 1 and 2 was an average unicorn that could take away a ponys cutie mark and talents altogether and if an average unicorn can do what the unfinished spell could it is very unlikely that the unfinished spell was what might have caused discord. my theory rests as someone stronger than starswirl came along and forced him to help him/her into making them stronger but instead caused them to mutate and go insane
0 likesI love that theory,but how do you explain that Tirek knew Discord as powerfull spirit of disharmony and at the same time his brother was befriending Starswil? And Discord didn't knew about Scorpans and Tirek broken relationship ? As long we not assume that whole Discords betrayal was set up...
0 likesI have a Theory.
0 likesKnowing how Discord acts, I believe that, at least in a metaphorical way he is Chaos personnified.
Knowing how Starswirled acted, we could say he worked a lot towards Order in Equestria.
Could they be two opposite parts of the same force ?
Perhaps then Discord would have appeared and disappeared following the same times as Star Swirl, potentially meaning that Star Swirl would resurface sooner or later.
Also I recently watched another review by Pony reviewing on the same subject and she brought up some good points also supporting this theory, which was that star swirled the bearded and discord both have the same yellow color magic as seen in "return of harmony" part 2 when discord is picks up applejack with his magic and also that they both have access to different dimensions as seen in "make new friends but keep discord" and "Rainbow Rocks" in the sirens backstory.
0 likes"Nothing in the show can prove this theory wrong"
0 likesWell, ignoring that the entire basis for the theory is a vaguely interpreted hoax, just wait ~3 years for "Shadow Play" when we find out what happened to Star Swirl. That episode takes care of a lot of loose ends.
2:57 Yeah, I see how that might work..... Except you're acting like you know exactly how the magic would react if in a different situation than when Twilight cast it! Yes, it's a possible explanation. However, it could also target based on proximity as a fallback. Or, maybe it would pick its target(s) based on magic--if they have strong magic (like the Princesses or Starswirl). However, it doesn't have to do anything at all!
1 like2:59-My thoughts on KimPossible's objection is that history is written by the victors. Celestia could have covered up Star Swirl's transformation into Discord choosing to remember Star Swirl for the pony that he was. It happened in Star Wars with Darth Vader.
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Very true!
4 likesIndeed. And she has done this before. Five times. That we know of. She has covered up, in order that we see them in the show: Nightmare Moon, Discord, Changelings, Crystal Empire, and Tirek and the land he comes from.
5 likesShe has covered up many things before, why not the origins of Discord. But there is something else. Rewatch the part with Spike again. LOOOOOOOONG before Celestia. We don't actually know how long it was since Hearth Warming Eve, when Starswirl was alive, till Discord ruled. Nor how long he ruled for.
But we can count something. We know Celestia has ruled for at least 1001 years. When Spike says 'Long before' he is probably compairing 'long' to how long Celestia ruled. So it was say 100 years, would be 'just before' 1000 years, would be 'Not long before' and anything 1500+ would be 'Long before'.
We also don't know how old Starswirl is, how long a pony can live for or anything. He must be old tho, because eternal winter and war constantly doesn't give a Unicorn much time to make usefull spells for the ponies. Neither the moving to a new land and rebuilding everything from the ground up. Could have been 20-50 years, if not longer for everything to settle down enough for someone to go back to creating spells.
Too much time that we don't know about, where ANYTHING could have happened. But also, think of this. They SAY starswirl came from before Discord, but from what little we say of Discord's rule.... Well... I don't think people would be taking the time to write down the History. Discord could have ruled for 16548961321684895132106548431634471230314516346520 years, and no one would know. In that time I doubt History would have been saved and tucked away in some corner untouched by Discord at all.
Finally, here is something else to think about.... Writing the spell would only happen while he was working on it, or completed successfully. If it was a failure he wouldn't write the spell down. When Twilight 'completed' the spell, do you remember what Celestia said? The reason Twilight is not a princess? Celestia said: "She created NEW magic"
Who is to say Starswirl didn't also complete it and created new magic. But without friends that magic was wild and... Chaotic. Chaotic enough to control him, change him, and take him over completely, and didn't write down the 'completed' spell.
@***** And the theory of Starswirl being Discord was pretty much debunked by the origin story of Tirek, since Scorpan became friends with Starswirl while Celestia and Luna were in power, aka after Discord´s rule but before Nightmare Moon. This means that Discord and Starswirl cannot be the same person by the simple fact that Discord was frozen in stone with no ability to escape from it at the time that Scorpan and Tirek came along, and the meeting with scorpan and Starswirl happened.
2 likes@100aegir If the young unicorn in Tirek's backstory is Starswirl, then why did they only call him "a young unicorn" instead of "the legendary Starswirl the Bearded"? I don't think Celestia or Luna had ever known Starswirl while he was young. One must assume that he wasn't the only bearded unicorn in history.
1 like@neorenamon I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that they actually said that he befriended some ponies (meaning multiple) and as they say that they show Scorpan and Starswirl the bearded befriending each other. Now, before you say "That could be any unicorn with a huge beard and wearing robes with stars on it", well not according to the show so far, as no one else has been shown to wear those clothes other then in tribute to starswirl the bearded.
0 likes@100aegir I'm aware this is old. I just want to give fresh perspective with more recent evidence.
0 likesThat could be the mage Meadowbrook, the pony Starlight claims made the Staff of Sameness.
@mathybrain8 The Staff of Sameness was a fake. A prop to cover up the fact Starlight Glimmer still had her cutie mark and her magical powers.
1 likeI said "claims" so I know it was a fake. But the mage Meadowbrook did exist, as Twilight recalls him having 8 magical artifacts.
0 likesI agree 1405088615
0 likes@neorenamon I know this is really old, makes me wonder why I never got any notice of it till now, but there is something to think about.
0 likesIn hearth warming eve, the events took place long before Celestia and Luna ruled...
And Tirek invaded while Celestia and Luna ruled...
However, that contridicts eachother, thanks to Starswirl!
When Tirek invaded, his brother was meant to have befriended a 'Young" starswirl, but in Hearth Warming Eve, it has Starswirl being old with Clover the Clever as his apprentice.
So how could Celestia and Luna have ruled, inprisoned Tirek, then 30-60 years later have it be 'Looooong' before their rule, and have all the tribes split and Equestria not even exist yet?
ps. My guess, they wanted to shoe horn him in somehow in the past, and didn't have an actual timeline of the past. So just... Stuck him there, without checking if it actually fits the lore.
Not to defend the bad writing, but in "The Diary of the Two Sisters" light novel,
1 likeSPOILER ALERT!!!
when Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks and took over the duties of raising the sun and moon, Starswirl aged backwards. IIRC, unicorns that took on the duties of raising the sun and moon aged faster. I believe having Luna and Celestia taking over restored Starswirl to his actual chronological age (my theory).
@CrossoverManiac aw, i was just about to make a Starwars comparison, you beat me to it xD
0 likesCrossoverManiac II
0 likeswhat if discord was actually an egg (such as a embryo dragon) and was next to a few other undeveloped creatures that star-swirl had taken in, and befriended and used the spell meet them to figure out how to move their bodies in the right growth track, but ended up mixing them together, and discord emerged a while later?
0 likesTo set the record straight, Celestia said that Star Swirl did not know friendship "like Twilight did". This means that he may have had friends (or more likely, close acquaintances). Also, many of his "friends" were most likely magical/non-magical creatures other than ponies with cutie marks (i.e. Scorpan, griffins, phoenixes, manticores, dragons, hydras, bats, birds, bears, etc.).
0 likesNow consider this, what if Star Swirl cast his incomplete spell and it started to effect the other magical/non-magical creatures he considered his "friends"? Griffins, phoenixes, manticores, dragons, hydras, bats, birds, and bears don't have cutie marks/destinies to switch around. What if it effected their personal, mental, and/or physical attributes instead (i.e. claws, fangs, scales, tails, wings, horns, longevity/re-birth, magic, etc.)? If Star Swirl saw this "magical accident" happening and then tried to step in to stop it, who's to say that he may not have been adversely effected by it too. The result: a creature with all of combined attributes of multiple magical/non-magical creatures and Star Swirl's vast magical knowledge and prowess (i.e. Discord). This "magical accident" could have drastically altered Star Swirl's mental state in the process, which would explain why Discord acts/thinks the way he does. However, if you look closely, most of Discord's actions to date have had some degree of impact on Twilight and her friends' ultimate destinies.
The reason why no pony ever made the connection between Star Swirl and Discord was because Celestia and Luna used their Princess authority to keep any pony from finding out (i.e. history is only written by the victors). Star Swirl was Celestia and Luna's mentor and friend, so of course they would want to protect his good name after Discord's "rampage".
(1) Celestia and Luna quickly stop Discord's "rampage" by sealing him in stone by using the Elements of Harmony (ref: S4-E2). Star Swirl created the Tree of Harmony (and thus the Elements of Harmony, the magical mystery box, Twilight's castle, the magical map, etc.) and told Celestia and Luna about it and where to find it. In S4-E2, Celestia mentions part of this to Luna BEFORE they confront Discord!
(2) Celestia and Luna set up the "traveling museum" of Star Swirl's adventures and positive exploits to remind the public of all of the great things he had accomplished.
(3) Celestia and Luna could have easily commanded all ponies who may have witnessed Star Swirl's transformation into Discord to keep silent, and take the secret to their respective graves. Remember, this all happened over 1,000 years ago and before Luna was banished to the moon, so by the time Twilight and her friends were even born, none of the ponies who may have witnessed the event would still be alive (except for Celestia and Luna).
(4) After Luna was banished to the moon, Celestia moved/rebuilt her castle in Canterlot, and dedicated an entire library/wing to Star Swirl. Keep in mind that the library/wing is shown to be guarded and (possibly) heavily restricted inside the castle. However, since Twilight is Celestia's apprentice, she was obviously granted access to the library/wing.
If you have any questions about this or my thoughts on where Star Swirl may have originated, please let me know. (Hint: the Elements of Harmony, the Tree of Harmony, and Twilight's Crystal Castle are your clues.)
Just a little more evidence: Starswirl's unfinished spell swapped around the Elements of Harmony. Seems an awful lot familiar to what Discord did in Return of Harmony. And Starswirl having no friends? Same with Discord.
0 likesI disagree, amd here is why:
0 likesStar Swirl a Bearded must have known about the Elements of Harmony when he wrote the spell in Magical Mystery Cure. However, when Celestia and Luna went against Discord for the first time, he questioned what the elements were. If Discord was Star Swirl a Bearded in the past, he would have known what the elements were.
+TheBronyNotion
0 likesI have a theory that Starswirl's spell actually swapped Celestia's and Luna's cutie marks, perhaps as well as his own body. The spell is supposed to change the elements of harmony, right? And Celestia and Luna were the carriers of the elements of harmony.
It could explain part of why Luna went batshit evil over nobody appreciating the night: Because she wasn't really the one who was supposed to tend to it, and so nobody felt like it was good enough to cherish.
Luna is also full of energy, much like the sun, while Celestia is always calm and quiet, like the moon. Luna takes a more direct approach to handling citizens, like the sun's direct rays, but Celestia is much more passive, like how the moon's position in the sky directs the ocean currents.
To disprove this (as much as I wish it were true) the journal of the two sisters was actually released as canon. One of the last entries indicates that Starswirl lost his magic upon attempting to lower the moon. It was at the same time that Luna and Celestia earned their cutie marks by discovering their own ability to raise and lower the moon and sun. This is show canon, not comic canon. So Starswirl lost his ability to use magic before Discord's arrival. It is much more likely that he died of old age. It also states that Starswirl was present for the princesses coronation.
0 likesThat doesn't leave out the possibility that he may have attempted to regain his magic and became a draconequus in the process. After all, there are material forms of magic as Zecora well knows. The draconequus are known as a mysterious race. As far as we know, Discord is the only one of his kind. Lets say he became desperate... a (completely made up on the spot) legend held that one who drinks a brew comprised of a dragon's talon, a gryphon's claw, a Pegasus's feather, and a sea serpent's scale could attain the magical power of a god... at the cost of one's sanity. However, the ingredients, alone, shouldn't be enough... there is one relic of the past that holds promise, though. The alicorn amulet. Amplifies a ponies magic... maybe it was used as a catalyst to create this brew. The theory holds no ground in anything the show mentions aside from convenient items and dates, but it is an interesting thought that i can't think of an argument against as of yet.
I'm going to resay my theory because i missed some key elements that cause some disharmony in my mind.
1 likeI believe that discord is star swirl and that star swirl is Luna's dad but not just that but he was the one who made the prophecies and helped Luna escape but was disguised as the stars.
Reasons? Well clearly star swirl is not an alicorn or is he? He process the powers of alicorns with he banish people and have the ability to make holes into different dimensions which only someone of great power can do. Plus he would be hiding he wings though there is a picture of him lifting up his cape. But who else can send ponies into different dimensions? DISCORD! I do agree the star swirl accidentally made him self discord because he had no friends (he was hiding the fact that he was an alicorn) .
Now moving on for why he is Luna's dad, in many picture of fan art we see Luna's and Celestia's parents, the dad was the night and mom day, and who was before the princesses, was powerful like the princesses and wears a cape with stars and moons on it and could possibly be an alicorn, STAR SWIRL!
Now onto Luna's escape and the prophecies. My first thought was that he loved Luna and didn't know what she did so when he heard what happened he helped Luna escape but as the stars ( seeing that he might of been the first ruler of the night). And well being all powerful he watched what was happening and wrote them down and they soon became prophecies. But how did he time travel by 1000 years, the same way twilight did, i mean it is his spell, but when twilight did it, i pretty sure, she wasn't an alicon or powerful. But Star Swirl was.
That's my theory, hope you had fun reading. <3
Personally I think that Discord is a natural force. His status as the SPIRIT of Disharmony suggests that he is tied with the world (or if the comics can be believed the MLP universe itself more on this later) of MLP itself. Perhaps this is concurrent with the parents of Celestia and Luna creating the world in the comics. Discord when then come to naturally oppose this newfound order.
0 likesIn my view, I see it this way: Discord and Q from Star Trek is the same, are the same? I don't know how to word that, but you get my point, right? The description of the Q in Star Trek is that they are a race of multi-dimensional beings that can take the shape of ANY life form, but typically humanoid MALE. Q and Discord seem to have the same characteristics to me, and that is my argument, I disagree with both sides of this argument, but respectively, if there is a direct piece of evidence that debunks this, than I'm happy to accept it.
0 likesImagine that star swirl really was discord. The fluttercord thing would be all over the place O-o
3 likesYes, the season 7 finally shows that star swirl did in fact disappear, but he was banishing his friend to a different dimension so as to not reek havoc on equestria. he's been in a different dimension this whole time. Yes,I realize this was posted, like,a year ago, but I had to say something :3
1 likeThere's one whole in your timeline... In the comics, Celestia knew Starswirl. They created the magic mirror portal together. He was also apparently around until awhile after Luna's banishment.
0 likesHm. Hearth's Warming Eve dates Starswirl as pre-Hearthfire, as he's Clover's mentor. Still don't know where alicorns come from. Starswirl is not mentioned in HWE, which focuses on the power players in each nation - I'd guess he either retreated to hermitage, perished of age, or 'vanished' at or before the arrival of Windigoes. Starswirl having dealt with Scorpan and Tirek in the past would probably have been able to figure those things out - unless his knowledge of friendship, though enough for Scorpan, was insufficient to repel Windigoes.
3 likesHere's my headcannon BLAM
Starswirl retreated into hermitage after helping Scorpan understand not-being-a-jerk, then trained Clover the Clever, who rose in power in Unicornia.
Starswirl remained behind when the Great Migrations occurred, researching deep magic and the power of the legendary Alicorns.
I'm skipping the whole 'Tirek knows not of Twilight but is totes familiar with the other three, even though Cadance wasn't an Alicorn until Twilight was alive - and Twilight's princess-ness has been widely publicized...' thing
Starswirl unlocks the secret of Alicorn Magic, and somehow either clones/grows Celestia and Luna or helps his young apprentices realize their true power as Alicorns. I'm leaning towards the former. Raised to unite the tribes, as Starswirl still hopes they're alive somewhere, the Heavenly Twins are also a failsafe against the loss of Unicorn magic governing the sun and moon. They begin their journey in search of Equestria, though whether Starswirl lives to see them set out is uncertain.
Discord, a completely unrelated entity with power comparable to anything you'd care to name, finds Equestria and sets up shop. Tirek seems to have known him before, but then Tirek also seems to know of Luna, Celestia and Cadance, all of whom postdate his legend...
Presumed origins for Discord: integral manifestation of chaos and disharmony, an essential part of the world or an expression thereof, immortal and ever-changing.
OR
The misbegotten spawn of hyper-magical creatures (pony + Dragon)... Draconeqqus, after all.
OR
A demon, comparable to Tirek in power but less constant mentally.
OR
The realization of Starswirl's research, self-applied with grotesque and mind-altering results.
I'm leaning towards option A, myself. Whatever the case, Discord's reign is the end of my fanon timeline.
One nitpick. A thousand years was how long Luna/Nightmare Moon were imprisoned. The reign of peace would have been longer than that.
0 likesIf this does prove to be right in the show, how will it be exposed?
Also, if this is the case, I don't think it was just his physical appearance affected. It would have hit his mind too.
I''ve noticed when discord uses his magic a yellow flash happens much simpler to star sweled's magic from his horn
1 likeI believe that Discord being Star Swirl is a valid theory. If we think back to the incomplete spell and how itwas never finished, the spell could have totally turned Star Swirl into Discord. This could also explain why Discord has magic without being a pony with a cutie mark. But if we look at the very nature of the spell, it switches the cutie marks/destinies of ponies. What use could that possibly be for? It seems like it would cause more trouble than anything...something Discord is known for. I believe this spell shows the chaotic nature that Discord has. Another theory is that it was intentional, Discord is always helping Twilight in her Destiny in his own distorted way as plainly seen with season four's permire and finale. And what if Star Swirl purposely made that spell knowing it would create a princess, time travel is a thing in Equestria, it is entirely possible he knew about Twilight or in the sense about a pony who would finish the spell. The spell was just another long awaited plot by Discord in helping Twilight discover herslf.
0 likesin the book "the journal of the 2 sisters" referring to Celestia and luna it tells about how star swirl the bearded was their friend and mentor and attended the corination. but I still like your theory. I'm not saying that the book makes it wrong, because it doesn't.
0 likesP.S. I love your videos!!
Actually, the season finale prooved why Discord is NOT Star Swirl. In the story of Tirek, it mentioned that Star Swirl was a friend of Scorpan when Celestia and Luna ruled Equestria. In ”Return of the harmony” part 2 Celestia mentioned that Discord ruled BEFORE she and her sister. So Star Swirl was still in those times after Discord was defeated. How could a person (pony) be in 2 places with 2 diferent forms?
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discord can do many things
1 likeBut not be in 2 places or duplicate himself in 2 diferent forms! Its impossible even for Discord!
3 likesI agree! O _ O
2 likes@***** nothing is impossible though!
1 likein the comics it explains Star Swirl and completely shatters him being Discord. Plus Discord and Star Swirl are shown together at the same time. Issues 17-20 btw
7 likes@metalsystem761
8 likesI don't think the comics really count for show canon. Seeing as they're following a completely different plot line from the show. But I'm still against the idea of Discord being Star Swirl
@sweetie belle I believe at one time they said the comics were canon. I can't remember where I heard that, but the comics do stay faithful to the show with characters what they do and everything they just don't make things up like equestria girls
1 likeActually, Hasbro allowed them to create the comics. But they aren't completely canon. They aren't written by the writers of the show so the two follow different plot lines. Sure there's bits and pieces that are a little canon, but not all of it.
4 likes@uriah laverdure Try slamming a revolving door!
2 likesi think when star swirl become discord, he probably use his chaos or some spell for back far too the time (insert doctor who main theme)
1 like@***** I wouldn't say him being in two places at once is out of the question, considering he can easily clone his body features (like his face, on the back of his head), but him doing that while trapped in stone would be unlikely.
1 like@monterrang1 *eyebrow raise*
0 likes@metalsystem761
0 likesI forgot to add that the comics aren't actually made by the writers/creators of the real show. The comics are made by fans. Famous or not, they're fans and don't follow the show. Two different canons.
@sweetie belle It has been officially stated that the comics are B-canon. In other words they are canon unless they contradict the show directly (for example, IF the show says that Fluttershy does not like knitting but the comics say she does like knitting then the show overrules the comics over what is canon, this is just an example).
3 likesWell Discord doesn't make sense so :P
0 likesexcept in the journal of the two sisters its revealed that star-swirl perfected his time travel spell, but each time he used it it made him younger. maybe eventually all the time traveling mutated him into discord and drove him insane, then he went back in time to take over equestria before luna and celestia came to power
1 likeExactly! Discord doesn't like the word sense anyway.
1 like@The Derptor On the same basis I could say that starswirl the bearded became sombra, or anything for that matter. Nothing ever said that he was mutating and it is a huge stretch to make a claim like that from the basis that starswirl used a spell that made him younger, seeing as someone becoming younger or mutating are two very different things.
0 likes@Rachel Black By that same logic Discord could as well likely be the only one of his kind and came out of nowhere, which actually fits far more for the spirit of chaos, aka a creature which existence most likely is not grounded in anything. It also makes it clear that if Discord doesn't like to make sense in the same way you are using it then he could have been anything, he could have been a cloud for as much we know by that logic. Also, you fail to realize one thing, you are trying to use logic to discover how a creature of no-consistency came to existence, heck, the most likely thing that created him would be something like what created the windigo if it wasn't just simply that he exists with no reason for him to exist.
5 likesBut the Discord incident was BEFORE Tirek and Scorpan.
0 likes@Topbra111 Exactly! That's what I said!
0 likes@uriah laverdure
0 likesCan a normal everyday human sprout wings and fly? No. So yes, there are things that are impossible, so drop that stupid phrase.
@Rachel Black
3 likesToo bad, 'cause he's not Starswirl the Bearded. End of discussion.
As with the Season 4 finale, the comics (mirror universe arc) also show that Star Swirl was around during Celestia and Luna's rule, after Discord had already been turned to stone.
3 likesVery good point
0 likesMy god, are we still talking about this?
1 likeYour argument is invalid.
1 likeWhat's the fun in making sense?
@EMan753 Too bad, 'cause things must make sense, else they wouldn't be things. Case closed.
0 likesNUUUUU making sense IS nonsense
0 likeshave you ever heard of RANDOMNESS
You're right. What fun is there in making sense? I'll ask your boss to pay you in rusty spoons instead of money, won't that be fun?
0 likes@Shannon Hauck
0 likesEven randomness makes sense.
you are so right thank you:)
0 likesagreed, and good stuffs. ^_-
0 likesOfcourse, nothing to stop the magic of the headcannon or head-canons from having fun with AU's & "What Ifs" , and having ways to make things work in creative works is fun. (as is discussion of Zelda and its Legendary 'multi-timeline' multiverse thing)
@100aegir
0 likesHow would Fluttershy knit? (comically missing the point)
Logic.
0 likes@metalsystem761 the comics also hint at the writer of Daring Do being Twilight's mom or something like that, show always takes priority over comics, but the show also disproves discord is star swirl
0 likesTwilight's mom is Twilight Velvet, though.
1 like@Rachel Black I think they meant Rainbow Dash, not Twilight.
0 likes@Anya Kaminski that may be a possibility
0 likes@Shannon Hauck
0 likesI'm sorry, but you spoke in an orderly language and I understood everything you said clearly. If you were a true follower of nonsense, you wouldn't use such an orderly form of communication.
@Anya Kaminski
0 likesNo actually, Twilight Velvet was stated to be the author of the Daring Do books in the comics. The show proved otherwise.
Star Swirl did have a time travel spell.
0 likes@Shuyan Branton
0 likesThat went back in time for a few seconds and didn't change anything. Hardly an explanation for why Discord would exist at the same time as Starswirl. Plus, in Hearth's Warming Eve, it's established that Starswirl was around long before the unification of Equestria, and he was around after. Discord appears in the middle of it and is trapped in stone. So if Starswirl had gone backwards in time, he would have had to go backwards a long time before Discord without returning to the "present" after becoming Discord.
Also in the comic books (which are cannon) it is shown that Star Swirl is still around after Luna's banishment. But Luna helped to banish Discord in the show. Therefore Discord came before Star Swirl
0 likes@Izzy Reed That's a good point too. But the comics aren't averytime canon.
0 likes@***** Why aren't the Comic books and books cannon? as they are all produced by hasbo the owner of mlp. is it due to the fact they are not write by Lauren Faust? Bc if thats the case neither are a lot of episodes in the animations.
0 likes@Izzy Reed
0 likesActually, Hasbro itself doesn't produce the comics. They merely licensed the comics.
The comics don't count as canon because they actually conflict with canon a good deal. So at best they are "B canon", which means they are canon unless the show contradicts them.
And while it isn't exactly confirmed, I don't believe Starswirl isn't around after Luna's Banishment. My headcanon puts Discord's defeat at least 2000 years before the events of the show.
I was just about to comment that!:3
0 likes@Spoiler Alert Actually, Hasbro has confirmed that the comics are cannon.
0 likesThe reason for the comics to exist in the first place, was to tell stories that were either too long or too short to show on tv, thus expanding the shows lore.
@sparkadus
0 likesI need proof. What I'm getting on the internet is that Hasbro told the writers to not contradict canon, not that it is canon.
Also, Andy Price said: " IS IT CANON? The comic is set within show continuity, and is done in cooperation with the show staff. This is as close to the show as it gets without having it animated. I personally say yes, but it is really up to the individual to decide."
Yet, the comics contradict the show. One person goes into detail here:
http://mlpforums.com/blog/1083/entry-12738-are-the-friendship-is-magic-comics-canon/
And the claims about Luna's appearance are further reinforced by the fact that the comics indicate Luna's change in appearance happened after Magic Duel, since Trixie is good and talks about second chances.
There's also the problems with considering them canon: It decreases Luna's responsibility about the NMM incident, ruining what would be a good moral lesson and also making Celestia's banishment really, really awful. Also, that means traveling to the moon on a lasso is canon, and that's just stupid.
@Spoiler Alert Dude, none of the "contradictions" you pointed out doesn't break cannon. I'm not gonna go into details, since that would take more words then I have patience to write.
0 likes@Spoiler Alert Okay then.
0 likesI'll give you some proof.
If NMM wasn't a result of the nightmare spirits, then what did the Elements Of Harmony do in episode 2 of season 1?
They turned Luna back to her old self, which would've been impossible without brainwashing her, unless the nightmare spirits are cannon. It's just 1 example and I have more, but this will do for now.
@sparkadus It's a contradiction because Luna retains her old appearance in events that occur after Luna Eclipsed, where we see her with the new appearance. Furthermore, we see Cheerilee say teaching is gross AFTER she earned her cutie mark, but in canon Cheerilee says she got her cutiemark when she realized the joys of teaching. Two direct conflicts with canon!
0 likes@sparkadus
0 likesIt's very possible it brainwashed her. Mind-altering magic is not new in Equestria.
It also could have stripped her of some of her power, or did what it did in Past Sins and remove the evil parts of her soul. It could have done any number of things not involving Nightmare Forces.
But let's look at the other side: If it was the Nightmare Forces that were removed in Friendship is Magic, why did the Elements of Harmony not do that the first time they were used on her? Why would Celestia use the Elements to banish NMM to the moon instead of just stopping the Nightmare Forces?
In my personal headcanon, the Elements defeat unrepentant opponents and revert opponents who are ready to change (hence why Discord is turned to stone twice and Luna is banished the first time, but the second time Luna is reverted and Sunset Shimmer is reverted the only time the Elements are used on her).
@Spoiler Alert Please note: They didn't know what the nightmare forces were.
0 likesAlso, note that NMM was banished to the moon, and where was the nightmare dreamscape? That's why Luna learned so much about it.
@sparkadus
0 likesWhether or not they knew what the Nightmare Forces were doesn't affect the Elements acting differently.
"Also, note that NMM was banished to the moon, and where was the nightmare dreamscape? That's why Luna learned so much about it."
Learned so much about what? What are you saying here, and how does it make the Nightmare Forces make sense?
Additionally, if the comics are canon, Twilight's dialogue in Princess Twilight Sparkle doesn't make sense. Why would she try to talk Luna out of becoming Nightmare Moon if she knew it was the Nightmare Forces? If the Nightmare Forces were destroyed, why would she even think Luna could turn into Nightmare Moon again?
Canon conflicts with the comics.
@Spoiler Alert Dude, we clearly don't understand eachother enough to have a prober aguement.
0 likesmind lost? when you have fun with chaos you might forget the past easely exept the after-transformation one
0 likesthat, might....be right....star swirl was a great magician....so........................GOT IT! this kinda has something to do with the "luna an nightmare moon aren't the same pony theory": when star swirl casted the spell he might torn apart, the chaos side discord and star swirl the bearded. discord was the immortal side so i think star swirl died one day.................that's all................does it make kinda sense???
0 likes@WarriorCatFan00 Try reading the comics.
0 likescomics? i've never heard of mlp comics.....do you mean the fan-made comics???
0 likes@WarriorCatFan00 No, officially licensed comics.
0 likesnever heard
0 likes@WarriorCatFan00 Really? You should check them out. They do a great job expanding the lore of Equestria and giving more personality to characters like Celestia, Shining Armor and Big Mac.
0 likes@sparkadus
0 likesI believe the lack of understanding is entirely on your part. What isn't there to understand in my argument? If Twilight knew Luna was possessed by the Nightmare Forces, why would she try to talk her out of it? The comics do not make sense in canon, therefore they can't be canon.
@WarriorCatFan00
0 likesExcept Luna and Nightmare Moon are the same pony, and it's been stated by John de Lancie himself that Discord is not Starswirl the Bearded.
And you've dipped into speculation that has absolutely no support in canon. Starswirl the Bearded can:
1. Make friends
2. Turn stuff into lambs
3. Banish people to alternate dimensions (debatable canon-wise)
Nowhere on that list is "split himself in two beings, one of which is immortal".
In the Journal of the two sisters (which s written by Megan), it is stated, that Luna and Celestia became princesses as fillies (or at least they didn't have their cutie mark for alicorns age differently). That means they defeated Discord after all of this. The book also says how they found the tree of harmony after they became princesses. That is of course, if the book is to be taken canon. (Sorry for my bad english.)
0 likes@Nettingman Yes, but the books fom Hasbro aren't canon everytime because in Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart spell it mentioned that Cadence was born a pegasus but some other people from Hasbro say that Cadence was actually born an alicorn so we cant know if the books are canon or not. It depends of what appears in the series.
0 likesI don't know where you heard that Cadance was born as an alicorn. And these books are written by G. M. Berrow, but the Journal is written by Megan McCarthy, who's one of the show lead storywriter. But of course noone can tell what's canon, what's not. Personally I take all movie, book and comic canon, too.
0 likes@Nettingman
0 likesI haven't read the Journal of the Two Sisters, so I don't know what it says. I do however, know what the show says. The show never explicitly states that the Sisters ruled after Discord, but it does imply that Discord came before Tirek and Scorpan and after the first Hearth's Warming.
Reasoning: Discord ruled when the tribes were united. This is explicitly stated. He also ruled about the time the Sisters gained power. Thus clearly after the founding of Equestria, so after Starswirl mentored Clover the Clever.
However, Tirek knew Discord had been imprisoned yet didn't know Discord was free (he states this in Twilight's Kingdom), therefore he arrived in Equestria after Discord's defeat, and didn't know Discord was released because he had been in Tartarus and then in hiding.
So Starswirl was around before and after Discord for extended periods of time. Therefore Starswirl cannot be Discord!
Oh, and I pointed out why the comics could not be considered canon earlier.
@Spoiler Alert Oh and you're right in your arguing about the comics, but I don't think these are so big contradictions. The Luna thing can be considered as poor drawing, and Cherilee told a fib about her cutie mark. :D Still, I think the canonness (if it's a word) of the comics is a thing that everyone should decide on their own.
0 likesToo many pinkie pies pls
0 likes@Nettingman
0 likes"The Luna thing can be considered as poor drawing"
No, it can't. The comics specifically say her appearance changed because... love, or something. They show her transform from old version to new version, despite it being AFTER Season 2, where she has her new appearance.
@Nettingman
0 likesI challenge you to provide ANY evidence in canon that Starswirl could time travel.
@Nettingman
0 likesOh, and also, to my knowledge it's never stated that ANYONE died. We might as well assume Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum are alive, because no one has ever been said to have died in the show.
@Nettingman
1 likeI am chill. This is my idea of fun, debating my favorite topics on the internet.
"Oh and Celesetia and Luna uses their "unicorn" not alicorn power in the first episode prologue. And Maud isn't there on Pinkie's first party in call of the cutie, but she's seen on the picture in season 4. "
The first part can be explained simply: If the theory that Alicorns possess all the magic of the other three types of ponies is correct, then the backstory in the beginning can be saying the sisters used unicorn powers, as opposed to using their Earth pony powers or pegasus powers. After all, unicorns can move the sun, so that would fall under the unicorn power category.
The second also has an explanation, but it's not quite as good: Pinkie's recollection of events vs. what actually occurred. Pinkie did say that the story was "how Equestria was made", and until Magic Duel (where Trixie confirms rock farms) there was a common theory that Pinkie had made the whole story up. Perhaps in Pinkie's memory she didn't remember Maud being there? It isn't very likely, but it can still be explained.
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That is true, it also says in some mlp comics that star swirl was friends with Tia AND he made a portal to another dimension witch show'd that discord was the element of friendship. But then in the comic when star swirl found out that Tia was traveling through the dimension they quickly ended there friendship. But going back to the discord being the element of friendship quickly shows that discord is his own person,and that star swirl was gone because the Tia that was evil put him in a dungeon and he had died because he had no food or water. So that is one of my theory.
0 likes@uriah laverdure Except you winning this argument.
0 likesMaybe it was before discord started chaos
0 likes@***** As Discord would miss Star Wish. "Where is the fun in making sense?" He defies logic CHOCOLATE RAIN GUYS!! CHOCOLATE RAIN!!
0 likesAlso the Comic does better job at this then anyone else. Read the comics people they almost actually came out with what happens to star swirl all we know his last spell that he did not finish is when he had disappeared.
0 likesthat makes a lot of sense. :)
0 likesThat is correct Scorpan was a friend to him. I won't lie I did enjoy this theory it was well thought out. Starswirls spell was also interesting to me. So for the sake of argument lets just say this was true. Even thought it not run with me on this. Magic is very versatile and has many different properties in it's usage. Thought a spell design to specifically target your friends would do just that. Now if you didn't have any that leads to the question of what kind of back lash if any would happen? In order to understand that you would need to know more about Starswirls personality I am amusing on this. Depend on that would depend how that backlash would effect him if at all. The possibility of no backlash is also a thing. With nothing to focus on the spell wouldn't work. If it did I assume it would switch the closest thing to a friend it could find. Family or perhaps his personality. As for a transformation I haft to say highly unlikely since the spell was very clear of its design. (So that is my thoughts as for what is cannon.) We know Starswirl was around during Luna and Celestias rule and it was state he never got it to work. This would me he might have cast the spell but with no friends in his life the spell had nothing to target. I would also point out that this spell didn't bounce to any family other wise it would have work. In which case Twighlight would have never gotten book. So it simple was cast and fissile out. However The Brony Notion I did enjoy this and it was clever. Thank you for posting this. It was fun to think about. /)
0 likeswell maby he was like a vampire and terns into discord
0 likesI don't know if Discord already existed with Starswirl the bearded. I believe it is actually a darker tale. When Starswirl tried to change a draconis into a good guy with his spell it backfired switching there bodies instead and personalities. Discord killed Starswirl even though starswirl had become Discord.
1 like@FrostTheFox yes. it does make sense nonsense
0 likes@Christian Kor Thats an interesting thought for a back lash. I could see that happening.
0 likesThough that would mean the draconis are much more chaotic evil then good. It would be interesting if some one could make a head canon around the time of Tirek and the second forthcoming of discord in the time that starswirl disappeared. It would be a interesting read.
0 likestruer words never spoken. XP Til now like 7:56am. XD
0 likesThat is true though we do not know the rest of his kind. It could be that stawswirl's personality altered it to playful then absolute destruction.
0 likesyeah... that makes a lot more sense...
0 likesI completely agree with this, but for the people who thinks it's possible just because he's discord and unpredictable, think about it. If discord could duplicate himself, he wouldn't need to free himself, and chaos would already be all around Equestria, Canterlot, and so on. He would possibly be able to defeat the princesses, and even the magic of friendship. When he had divided the ponies in a maze, he fought many slip ups and ever manipulated them, taking full control. Just imagine if there were more than one. Even if he does have the power to duplicate himself, it hasn't been proven, therefore, for now it is not possible.
0 likesI don't know what username to put because I have no imagination because discord Can do shit
1 likeNote he had that spell that Twilight used to warn herself not to worry so much. My guess is that they are in fact the same person...er...pony, and he altered the spell, therefore he could be in two places at the same time for way longer than a few seconds.
0 likesNot nessicarily, remember the episode when Twilight used an old spell of his to travel back in time, where technically she was in two places at once? Well, Starswirl could have altered that spell so that while Starswirl was with Boreas or whatever his name is, he could also roam around, ruling Equestria as Discord.
0 likes@I don't know what username to put because I have no imagination well starswirl isn't discord but in boast busters a duplication spell is mentioned.
0 likesI agree....the personality/appearance swap (as it was shown in the finale s3 episode) nobody remembered that they were in their wrong spots until the spell broke. Everyone thought they seemed to belong...
0 likesyou say the unfinished spell caused star swirl to change phisically, yet the spell only changes identity, the spell was most likely unfinished because he had no friend of which to change identity. also even though star swirl wasn't into the whole friendship thing, he still did what's best for equestria, doesn't really fit that because he's bored he becomes the god of chaos
0 likesif it were true, maybe his change to becoming discord made him forget who he was previously altogether.
1 likeI'm not convinced. If the spell is aimed at swapping the destinies of friends then there is no reason that it would affect him. It also makes no sense that it would disfigure him in anyway. Fluttershy to flutterbat does have some major changes but she still remains a pony and keeps her overall appearance. Then, who would he swap destinies with? Why would his be inverted as it seems? I am also wondering about the fact that Scorpan's pony friend looks remarkably like Starswirl and yet knows about Discord being turned to stone. So this kinda throws a wrench into the cannon timeline.
0 likesI think it would be great if Discord was Starswirl, but there are a few plot holes to this:
0 likes-If Starswirl was the shadow pony, then Discord can't be him.
- In the beggening of the season four finale, it said Tirek's brother befriended Starswirl. Tirek then gave Discord the necklace that Tirek's brother wore. Discord should have seen it on Tirek's brither, but instead he has no idea that it was his brother's. Even if he was just covering up he was Starswirl, I doubt he would sacrifice his power for that.
Well there’s nothing to say they are not related in some way. Discord and star swirl have never been seen together and I don’t think discord knows that the Pilards have returned. It’s possible that star swirl CREATED the draconequus
1 likeSo some people have asked if Starswirl turned into Discord, why did he appear gone for a while before Discord showed up? My theory on that is this: The spell didn't affect his mind, just his body and Starswirl/Discord spent some time trying to figure out how to reverse the spell, staying hidden to avoid causing a panic with his new form. However as time went on with failure after failure to reverse the spell, he began to go insane from lack of social stimulation. However, as he tried to reverse the spell, he discovered that he now had godlike powers.Because he was still new to these powers, he had limited control over them and one day he cast a spell big enough to expose his existence to the ponies. They ended up labeling him Discord. Starswirl, due to the mental damage, had started having fun creating chaos and gave up on reversing the spell, so he embraced his new identity and adopted the name Discord. However, deep down, Starswirl is still in there. He hasn't 100 percent let go of his old life. He wants to preserve that respect and admiration he had as Starswirl, which was why he's never told anypony about who he once was, and why Starswirl is one of the very few famous ponies still remembered from BEFORE the Age of Chaos, when many of them were likely forgotten.Discord doesn't want that part of his life to be forgotten, or disgraced by knowledge of who he's become. so he wants what happened to him to remain a mystery.
0 likesActually, Laura Faust had created discord as one of the later added characters before the airing of the show. She would most likely know discord's background. I'm not saying that you should go and e-mail Laura or anything, but I'm just pointing out that she might have also made up Starswirl the Bearded, like she did with discord, later in the development before the show aired. So, it's not impossible that Starswirl could have become Discord, like The Brony Notion had brought up. And who is also as socially awkward as Discord? Possibly a friendless smart unicorn devoted to magic such as Starswirl.
0 likesI have a theory on another section of this. The part about Starswirl using the friend switch spell thing messing him up might have also messed up his mind so he didn't remember who he was before, just that he was discord now. Now think, all those things trying to swap friend's cutie marks and stuff could have been too much, turning him into discord. The new spell trying to convert different qualities of different ponies from one pony into one might have just mixed things up.
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mixed up his mind
0 likesAND didn't anypony notice how Discord can use magic just by snapping his fingers? Also, every time he appears in the show, random things pop out of no where. Just take the "Glass of Water" song for example. So my point is that it takes a lot of skill to preform that kind of magic. And supposedly StarSwirl is known for his magic and spells... JUST a theory
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Well, that theory doesn't hold any water, because they could all be illusions, right? You never see Discord eating his noodles.
0 likesyou know what might be possible is discord was star swirl and during that time became more then friends with celestia hint and during his relationship with her had this issue with the spell u might wonder why it didn't affect celestia considering what you said bronynotion but if you think about it the elements fuelled the switch in character and they still were represented by the ponies in heart's warming eve.
0 likesso.... it would switch the body parts of him like you said but it would explain why its not known celestia is so embarrassed and they both agree to keep it a secret and so star swirl is shunned by everyone also after star swirl becomes corrupted by the loneliness and turns into discord and why clestia is angry at him is because he betrayed equestria and took over equestria this was before she was princess.
I do think Starswirl could have turned into Discord. Aside a common physical feature, the share few key character traits. Notice how, when Discord first speaks to the ponies, he makes special mention of all their names and elements. Why would he take the time to tell them what they already know, other than to show off what he knew about them. Like he takes pride in knowledge, like a scholar wanting to flounce his new discovery. This is again reflected during the maze portion, where he takes the time to bend the elements against themselves through manipulation rather then just brute forcing them like he did to Fluttershy. So we can draw that he takes some sort of joy from knowing things and using what he knows.
0 likesAnother point mentioned is his manipulation. He knew how to corrupt honesty, laughter, generosity, loyalty, and magic, but he couldn't turn kindness on its head. Despite Starswirl spending large amounts of time crafting spells for unicorns to use, surly he had some interaction with other ponies. Of coarse he could have seen how honest folk would turn to lies, loyal people turn their back on their loyalties, ect, but during the last episode of season 3, Celestia mentions that Mr swirl didn't understand friendship, and to understand kindness, you have to be on the receiving end at least once. So his final spell, the one that Celstia sends to twilight, would go unfinished.
I think the story goes as such: Starswirl, having created and mastered many powerful spells, and having nothing left to study in terms of raw magical power, turns to a magic power he has long since forgone due to some past childhood reason, the magic of friendship, and uses the elements of harmony as a reference. He takes it as a literal magic, and begins to construct a spell on it, the incomplete spell that Celestia dumps on twilight. The incomplete spell fails, but instead of swapping friends he doesn't have's lives around, it instead swaps something else. As he was experimenting with the elements of harmony, he gets swapped the negitive power of the elements [Chaos emeralds?]. Now, filled and becoming the spirit of Chaos, he casts a spell to go way back in time, giving him enough time to experiment with his powers then take over Equestria.
That was... to long winded... I have a fanfiction to write!
Another reason, maybe he was a Mischievous spirit all along? Making time spells, that would total MESS UP time. A spell that switches personalities? Sounds very Mischievous. Or maybe he was discord, turned into star swirl (IDK how) and wanted to turn back, making the spell!
0 likesCelestia simply said that he didn't understand friendship as well as Twilight. This doesn't mean that he had no friends. Also, I don't believe that the two Princesses came in to power after Discord's defeat. Notice how they had their ceremonial attire when they defeated Discord. Wouldn't one assume that this attire would have been made for them because they were Princesses?
0 likesAbout that whole timeline it was stated in "The Journal Of The Two Sisters" Swirl Star the Bread SHOWED the element tree to Luna and Celestial telling them about its power
0 likesI don't think Discord can be Starswirl, but I bet he was one of his creations or something
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+ShadowWriter45 Probobly
1 like+ShadowWriter45 Cool idea.
0 likesOmg that is mind blowing *pop
1 likeAnything could have happened to Starswirl!
1 likeShadowWriter45 that's what I think
0 likesShadowWriter45 he was beacsue they say in mlp star swirl the bearded created something but it wasn't finished and went wrong or something and I believe that was the creation
0 likes@Red that's kinds right but star swirls spell went wrong so he turned into discord
0 likesI think
PS:I really like getting in on theory's about mlp because there cool but if if I tell someone they say that's a baby show and then when I tell them.I like yo do theory's there confused
More into the idea that Discord is a spawn of Starswirl the Bearded.
0 likesI think this also explains why he doesnt like elements in first place..besides the reason he was turned into a stone with it.
0 likesThis a very good theory but we cant say for sure if its true,only time can tell.
I know this has been since 2014, but. I still have something to say I just watched the episode "The crystalling" parts 1 and 2 and this is the time where starlight sees sunburst her only friend. By looking at sunburst, he said he was a wizard. I mean his coat is full of stars but no moons. and the beard of the starswirl the bearded is the same as sunburst's (well maybe) and he had so many books well maybe like the library of the crystal empire and the castle at canterlot. All I have to say: Discord is not starswirl but, sunburst is and maybe chaged his name and etc.
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Changed not chaged
0 likesOoh wait he also maybe time traveled since twilight love love loves him as her idol. He time traveled using his spell
0 likesCelestia: "Starswirl had no friends"
0 likesI think they do establish that the princesses just didn't know about the pillars. But this canon explanation now falls apart as to why Starswirl's spell didn't work. He had allies already right? I guess we just have to assume this was from before he met them, from when he parted ways with Celestia and Luna to join the pillars, and go missing without the princesses ever knowing why. This book does not mention the pillars in it, which dates it to that time before he had friends. But then this leaves us with one result: Starswirl could have become an alicorn at any point, and still can now, ever since he joined the pillars. All he had to do, was remember this spell. Did he really only write it in one book, lose it, and forget about it? I wonder how hard he'd be kicking himself if he realised.
Also he's never met Discord ever. As far as I can recall even after season 9, Starswirl has never been seen in the same room as Discord. It still feels like there's something to this.
You make a lot of good points here. Especially given that nobody remembered that Nightmare Moon was Luna, it would make sense that people didn't know Discord was Starswirl. And your timeline is perfect! There just wasn't any mistakes here at all. Which makes it all the more a shame that it ended up being wrong. This really is the best wrong theory the fandom has ever had.
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0 likesMy question is, if Discord IS Starswirl, wouldn't Twilight's rewriting and fixing the spell actually cure him? She repaired a broken spell.
0 likesOkay, lets see here. Discord, the lord of chaos, is Star Swirl the Bearded? I don't buy it. Mainly because I don't get why doing the spell that swapped The Elements of Harmony's elements, would change Star Swirl the Bearded (SSTB) into being Discord. It doesn't make an sense. With the Elements of Harmony, it does make sense because they're swapping elements that are there - and if it's just with SSTB a pony, all that would happen is nothing. There's nothing to swap.
0 likesEven if SSTB did transform into Discord, why on Earth would he focus his time on chaos magic? From my understanding, he focused on Arcane Spells, not Chaos. And the spells Discord uses look pretty complex, nothing to allow any beginner or even novice to cast no matter how hard they tried. And don't pull that "He had X years to learn them!", if you look at Discord's spells, they're too complex to cast. Come back to me when you say he spent a lifetime learning Chaos Magic and forgetting his Arcane Roots.
Another point is just because two people share similar traits doesn't make them the same. And what I mean is that both Discord and Star Swirl had no friends. Well, my friends and I haven't played the first two Fallout Games, and that doesn't make my friends and I the same person.
I had never heard this theory. and I like this theory XD
0 likesits a bit like elder scrolls. The hero of Kvatch becoming Sheogorath. VERY similar story lines and it is possible it played out that way as well. but really all that is not written until the authors say "hrmm... yeah... lets do that"
actually, I think that your right about the spell turning him into a draconequus, but it wasn't just the cutie marks being changed that made me think this. I see it more as that the his cutie mark was changed while he was still in pony form causing him to change in to a chaos creating pony. I believe that he turned into a draconequus when he was trying to fix the spell because if you remember after twilight fixed the spell she changed into an alicorn, thus proving the people can change species using sertaing spells this is also shown in the episode "It Ain't Easy Being Breezies", twilight changed the main six into breezies. I believe that starswirled changed him self into a draconequus when he was trying to bring his old cutie mark back, and being the well respected pony that he was, he didn't tell anyone that he had made a mistake and so he just vanished into thin air as the newly made discord went into hiding. After a few years, he decided to come out of hiding with a new name so that he wouldn't ruin the reputation he used to have. Once the ponies of equestrian caught wind that a draconequus had come to equestrian, they all decided to see what he was like. He tried to live in harmony with the ponies of equestrian, but the chaos of the spell had too much control over his personality. he tried to bottle up the chaos inside, but he couldn't, and one day it just took over him thus causing him to take over equestrian, not by choice.
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0 likesWARNING: Read the Voige of the dawn trader FIRST or else you'll be REALLY confused about the move they messed it up SO bad
1 likeI'm not quite sure why that cutie mark switching spell would redo Starswirl's body, but on the whole this theory makes a lot of sense.
0 likesJust realised something. You're saying there is 1000 years of piece after discord is turned to stone until he's released but by that time Night Mare Moon has already been defeated and turned back into Luna and Luna was also banished for 1000 years. Twilight arrived in Ponyville in season one, Discord is season two and in season 4 that's when the summer sun celebration comes around again (which is one year). That means not even a year went by for Luna and Celestia to rule before Luna 'finally' cracked and became Night Mare Moon, probably only a few months. Not much time to get really angry about ruling pony's.
0 likesGuys!
17 likesJohn Dalliance (Voice of Discord!) Said that Discord is not Star swirl.
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That doesn't mean anything
2 likes@Danielle Stryker
4 likesJohn works on the show, so I think he'd have a better idea than we do.
He might be keeping it a secret for season 5
4 likes@♫ Skyshy ♫ I dont think so,If you watched you could see he was really puzzled by the fact bronies thought that.
0 likes(It was at a convention.)
It's De Lancie. Sorry, I'm such a grammar police girl haha 😜
0 likes@Flaming and Slick
0 likesYeah. I knew I had spelt it wrong!
@♥Skylar shy ♥ actually the company only bought 4 seasons there is not going to be a five I am sorry
0 likesLink me?
0 likesOh ok
0 likes@bri bergk there will be ten seasons
0 likeshaha 1 season cause half a mill they dont have enough money for 10 lol
0 likesDang O_o
0 likesyea its alot of money i wasnt being rude just saying its half a million dollars for 1 season
0 likesHow do you know, huh? Maybe he has a secret. Or Lauren Faust hasn't telled the voice actor.
0 likesim not sharing my information source thats private
0 likes#epicproof
1 like@Topbra111 Lauren does not work on the show anymore.
0 likesUmm... Since none of us are writers on the shop. It does not matter what we think unfortunately. Because the writers make the cannon and can decide whatever they want.
0 likes@LornaThePony+PokemonFan! If your a true fan then you should know that Lauren faust is working on season 5 of mlp fim. But I dear god she doesn't ruined season 5
0 likesThe voice actors don't even know about stuff that we don't know, only the writers do know, but hey megan said flash won't be in season 4, and look what happen.....flash sentry coming out of the train.....don't believe what they say, they don't want to spoiled it to the fans
0 likesHow would star swirl just "switch" into the lord of chaos? he would have to have known him or had something off him. You can't "switch" into somebody who you know in this case becuase twi had the elements. but starswirl probably had no idea who discord even was! (just an idea)
0 likesBit hard to be discord if you're in limbo, eh? 😉
3 likesThe way you explained Starswirl's change confuses me. His spell changed Twilight's friends' cutie marks, so the way I see it is that the spell would do nothing. He had know friends which I believe but you need to explain why the spell changed him.
0 likesStarswirl was still young at the coronation of Luna and Celestia, and was one of the 6 unicorns that carried out the duties of raising the moon and Sun which now fall upon Luna and Celestia, and Celstia only during Nightmare Moon's 1000 year banishment to the moon. Starswirl is also said to be unable to lower the moon himself completely depleting his magic attempting to do so (kinda tells me Starswirls was kinda stuck on himself and likely the most powerful unicorn in the history of Equestria), which leads me to believe he would not have be strong enough to over throw the other five unicorns at the time let alone have the ability to nearly defeat two alicorns. Remember it took Luna and Celestia weilding the Elements of Harmony to defeat Discord. Starswirl on the other hand wasn't strong enough to lower the moon by him self, something Luna or Celestia can both do at will. .
0 likesI don't necessarily agree or disagree with this, but there is another small thing to note. The spell swapped the ponies' destinies, and the effect of that was almost entirely just... chaos. It did nothing beneficial, and was also otherwise pretty benign. Much like Discord's magic. He rarely hurts anyone, just messes around with them.
0 likesIf you read the journal of the two sisters you would know celly and luna rose to power when star swirl the bearded was himself, as they were good friends with him
1 likeThere is one flaw in your theory, ( it's a VERY good theory by the way ) Star Swirl wasn't ever depicted to "evil" if he did have some fun with chaos, I don't it would be destructive like that.
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Wait wait WAIT!!!!! Scratch that theory. In equestria girls, sunset shimmer went down hill, What if Star Swirl, not having any friends, cast the spell thing, the spell is supposed to spread friendship, but Star Swirl had no friends, so the spell back fired, like with sunset and twilight from the human world, Discord was created, like you said in "A magical comparison" Discord eliminated any sound judgment, creating chaos is something Star Swirl probably never even thought of doing, but Discord did. Tirek was able to trick Discord so well because "FREEDOM" was something that Star Swirl wanted, to be free from Discord.
0 likesWait. If Discord is Starswirl, why would he dispose of chaos?
0 likesThe only thing I was able to think of, is that Starswirl was so outcasted, that he so angry, he went insanley crazy!
But I don't think this is the case.
My theory is that Star Swirl some how was turned into Sombra. The whole crystal empire stuff happened a 1000 years before and the same with Discord indecent.
0 likesJust like I believe jar-jar binks should have/was meant to be a Sith Lord, so too does “starswirl = discord” slap so much better than the actual canon. (My opinion)😁
0 likesOnly one problem with this theory Starswiral was still around even after Discord was turned to stone.
1 likeThe only problem with this is that Tia and LuLu STUDIED under StarSwirl, and he was the one who helped Celestia and Luna discover their destiny of raising and lowering the sun & moon, according to the journal of the 2 sisters.
0 likesThe last episode made it pretty clear to me - Discord IS Starswirl :D
3 likesThere could never be 1000 years of peace after discords fall. Because Luna was banished for a 1000 years. So it must been over 1000 -> ? years.
2 likeshere's a hole in your theory: if they did rise to power after discord; how come when Celestia was telling tirek's backstory, it showed scorpan befriend starswirl
0 likesthere is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back
0 likesin a recent episode the season 7 finale we know that star swirl was trapped in limbo so he couldn't have become discord.
13 likesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Watching a video like this after the season 7 finale is like reading an atlas that claims Yugoslavia is still a country.
0 likesHey Brony Notion here is my theory
0 likesStarswirl was working on time spell with no limitations and everything went wrong
and that is how discord was created that would explain the disappearance of starswill
and the sudden appearance of discord
Here is a off topic theory for the two sisters
since we know that ponies only get their cutie marks when they have discovered there special tallents and we know that celly's tallent raising the sun and luna is raising the moon
they would not be able to find out what there tallents were untill they were princesses cause of laws. thus i believe the princess were blank flanks.
You may ask how does this tie in with Starswirl the bearded ?
cause starswirl was before the time of the sisters reign thus he could have thought them the spell for lowering and raising the moon and the sun that be why thier cutie mark are of the sun and the moon [this also ties in with the discord is starswirl theory]
i also think that starswirl with the help of a few unicorns raised and lowered the sun and the moon until there magic got depleted
for example look at twilight in season 01 episode 16 where gave rarity wings she got weaker thus she nearly depleted her magic and we know that alicorns are OP
that is he tought the spell to luna and celly.
If this and your "Twilight is Clover the Clever" theory is true, this means Discord was Twilight's mentor, and even though I don't know Discord, I think Discord would mention this to Twilight.
0 likesAs much as I enjoy this theory, sorry to say that it's now confirmed to be not true due to the season 7 finale. So it looks like Event HoriXZ0n's Theory of there being more than one Draconequus is most likely true.
0 likesThe Bronynotion, do you think the pillars are related to the mane 6? They planted the tree of harmony and they said about their legacy being passed on. So are they related?
1 likeAnother pointer is that in Season 6 Discord quotes "if I wasn't so evolved I would've taken offense".
0 likesI feel like a lot of the people arguing against this theory are making a LOT of assumptions in their points.
0 likesThis is a great theory so it's a real shame Hasbro had to ruin it with season 7. :(
0 likesLooks like Twilight's Kingdom completely blew your theory out of the water.
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That's what I thought, I was gonna do a video about that, but I still couldn't find any proof against the theory. And trust me, I did look. :) /)))
9 likesIt makes more sense to me that Starswirl might've become Sombra if you look at how the spell actually backfired. If the pony has a group of friends, all the friends' destinies are reversed. If he had no friends and performed it on himself, his destiny as a helpful unicorn could have turned into a destiny of a unicorn who wanted to enslave everyone and make them serve him, instead of him serving others. It would also fit better into the timeline. But I don't think that will be canon. I think that Starswirl is just Starswirl in the end. Though they have brought him up quite a few times now...
6 likesSome one else mentioned that to me once and it does make sense, but recently I've also come to the same conclusion that Discord might as well just be Discord. Until they directly confirm or deny this, there's no for sure knowing otherwise. /)
5 likesI concur.
3 likes+The Brony Notion boom I've got it starswerl tryed to make a tranformation spell did it on him self a few minutes later ...discord is born
0 likes+The Brony Notion I hate this therey because I prefer discord BANISHED. starswarled therey
1 like+The Brony Notion I believe that Discord was created by Starswirl. PS, you should listen to the song "Starswirl's Frankenstein" it's really good.
2 likesif discord IS starswirl, Why did Starswirl turn bad? No wonder theyre the same fur colour.
0 likescause Starswirl DOES NOT have friends
1 likeSonictheShapeshifter a.k.a. LadyFoxling so does season 6 finale, "to where and back again," there is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back
0 likesAl Cipher maybe he changed himself physically?
0 likesAl Cipher maybe that was some sort of magic from the other dimensions? IDK I'm a human I don't do magic
0 likesNo the The episode Shadow play blew his theory to bit's.
0 likes@Sawtooth Waves a but the thing is how could both discord and star swirl exist at the same time
0 likesWhat if Star Swirl's spell made him forget his memories?
1 likeHow did Starswirl's spells get in the Royal Canterlot Archives? Most of the books were left at the castle of the two sisters when NMM attacked. And could the pre-alicorn Equestria even make/store enough spells to fill the huuuuuge room in It's About Time?
0 likes...don't you just hate it when something like this is proven wrong?
1 likeTo add on to your theory about him being Starswirl if Discord wasn't he'd remember about the book and ripping it before the whole being turned into stone buuut he didn't and helped Twilight become an alicorn.
0 likesIt seems highly unlikely that Discord is Star Swirl. In the S4 finale, we learn that Scorpan befriended "a young unicorn wizard," and judging by the image, is Star Swirl. Later we see that Tirek is surprised that Discord is free, meaning, when he and Scorpan came to Equestria, Discord was already in stone. In short, Star Swirl was around at the same time Discord was in stone.
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@daHunter3000 I thought about that, but remember Tirek has been free since Cerberus escaped in the s2 episode "It's About Time". He could have seen the statue of Discord seing how Discord was freed from stone the second time in season three. I don't think they knew each other personally.
20 likesWell discord is known among many. Tierk did say discords work is well known. So he could of HEARD about him and his banishment. And because he didnt get close to starswirl he would know if swirl became discord or not. It is possible. Swirl seemed to of vanished around the time discord appeards
11 likestrue but if u look at Star swirl and look at discord u see some apperences look the same yes i know i misspelled but idc XD
3 likesNot quite. If you look at the ponies a lot look alike but doesn't mean there is a connection.
3 likesya u are right most of them look the same.
1 likeWe don't know enough about him. All we know is he seemed serious and discord is not soo.....
1 like@The Brony Notion Amy Keating Rogers confirmed at her panel that Discord was first, before Tirek and Scorpan came, which mean he was already in stone when Scorpan befriended Starswirl. We must give up with Discord/Starswirl idea at this point
6 likes@The Brony Notion then he would see too that Discord is good now. He was surprised that Discord was friend of ponies(He maybe not sound that, but he sound kinda sad when he saw discord, and if he knew that Discord is friend of ponies, he wouldn't ask it)
1 likeIsn't stars swirl good with time magic though? I'd say it's not entirely impossible that he may have been on some sort of vacation to the future or something, and encountered scorpan at that point (if it truly is star swirl that befriended him), or even that star swirl originally started out in the time of peace, and at some point traveled back in time before the time of chaos to eventually become discord. If he was pretty good with time magic, that is.
1 like@MrConredsX this! The true fact that starswirl was around still after the imprisoning if discord!!
0 likes@Darke Exelbirth A time Vacation? Sounds cool, but twilight's time spell only lasted live, 2 minuets? Maybe less? Sure, maybe he had more experience, but we're talking about, hmm THE PRINCESSES FRIGGING STUDENT! He could have don, like what a Day or two? I believe in this Star swirl is Discord, but the Whole time vacation is a little far fetched.
1 like@Rachel Webb It's not that he simply had more experience than twilight. No, it's more a matter of what his expertise was, and that was time magic. Twilight has very little experience with time magic, whilst starswirl is pretty much the inventor of it. Kind of like comparing a kid who has played with one of those plasma balls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe) to Tesla.
2 likesBesides, can you really say that it's entirely farfetched for a unicorn that actually completely reversed his aging process on accident to time travel for a couple days?
You do make a good point, but star swirl just taking a time Vacation for fun? time spells themselves can mess up time pretty badly, and a experienced wizard like star swirl wouldn't want to mess up time just for fun. Maybe it was Discord who time traveled? He would have not cared.
1 like@Rachel Webb Unless you can't mess up time. Remember how Twilight was basically trying to mess up time herself when she went back to warn herself? She couldn't change the course of events at all. It happened the exact same way. If the course of events in time cannot be altered, I'm sure the creator of time spells probably would have figured that out. And if he knew that he couldn't change the course of events, then he'd probably feel pretty safe taking a day off in the past or future, knowing that whatever happened whilst he did so was destined to happen anyway.
1 likeWell, if she Didn't go back, then time would have gone crazy.
1 like@Rachel Webb Or would it have? We'll never really know. I mean, the only way she could prevent herself from going back is if a further in the future version of herself showed up and tried to prevent her from going back to her first iteration. But that relies on twilight once again listening to her future self, which it seems like she wouldn't.
1 likeTime travel is a very complex concept, but that could be a result of our perception of how time works being so incredibly simple.
@daHunter3000 Not to mention, if Discord was Starswirl, Tirek wouldn't compliment him. He basically says he's Discord, there is no way you'd serve these weak minded ponies, saying he isn't one of them or never was one of them. And lastly, it is said that Fluttershy is Discord's first friend. In the narrative, it says Scorpan befriends Starswirl. How can you have a friend before your first friend? You can't, so they aren't the same person.
2 likes@Mr.chang cooler because even if starswirled and discord were the same being, they can be of different minds. Like how nightmare moon and Luna are the same being, yet they are different ponies. Think of it like severe split personality disorder.
1 like@Rachel Webb Pinkie actually said "Hey look! I found a longer time spell!" or something like that. Also Starswirl the Bearded was the CREATOR of time travel.
1 like@daHunter3000 This
1 like+daHunter3000 he just explained it did u even watch it??!!
2 likesWHAT IF that young unicorn wizard WASNT HIM HMMMM
1 likeAlicorns are immortal
1 like+The Brony Notion That`s a great explanation that solves one of the main issues I had. I thought your points were really thought provoking. Awesome video. Also nice to see critics have a civil debate for once.
1 likeI personally think, Discord wasn't in stone THAT time, since Star Swirl came first, and even before, Celestia and Luna were alive. Or were they but babies. And I think I know the reason on how they knew Discord was in stone is that because of communication. There's a saying that word travels fast, so I think, that after Discord was defeated I'm pretty sure, words are made and were spreading even in alternate dimensions.
1 likeI hope you understand my explanation, and I hope I didn't sound mean. Haha Thanks! :)
thank u! that's wat I've been saying! mabey starswirl's spell created discord?😯 mabey he is his father?! oh god!
0 likes+alisa camarena I thought that too!
0 likesTHE SISTERS WERE RULING YOUR VIDEO PROVES THAT. So Tirek and his brother came a round when the sisters were ruling and that was after Discord and Star Swirl was still there so BOOM Discord is NOT Star Swirl the beard
0 likes@IXmanMX Boom yes because star swirll was around wen discord was in stone! Season 6 will answer this in Starswirl society.😊
0 likes100% destroying the Brony Notion's theory. KP:1 BN:0
0 likes+daHunter3000 Maybe there was more than one named discord and one of them was turned to stone and the other was starswirl
0 likes+ daHunter300 that theory is very true
0 likes+daHunter3000 that and starswirl is the 1 who corrinated the sisters, if u read the journal of the 2 sister
0 likes+Soraya Hassan my idea
0 likes+daHunter3000 Tirek could easily have learned of Discord during his imprisonment or lengthy period of time on the run. Plus Starswirl and Discord's time travelling messes with your claim.
0 likes+MrConredsX They have time travel. Your argument is invalid. Also word of god is not devinitive canon.
0 likesmaybe just maybe, in season 6 mlp will reveal who is starswirl and probably has connection with starlight since she has a strange unique power
2 likes+The Brony Notion
0 likesBEFORE S2
As in, before discord was stoned the second time.
+MrConredsX
0 likesAlright, if someone from dhx says something about the show, we listen and stop this canon.
CAUSE THIS CANON REALLY DOESNT MAKE SENSE
+Darke Exelbirth
0 likesBut your not thinking about the s5 finale.
Starlight Glimmer changed something in the past and the future came out messed up.
+alisa camarena
0 likesWhy? why did you do this.
oh god I hope no fan artist saw your comment...
+alisa camarena
0 likesAnd the canons.
THERE WILL BE SO MUCH OF IT
I think star swirl Exist before when equestria was founded
0 likesgood point I was also gonna say that let's not forget that Ink Rose did a theory on Luna Celestia and Discord even though it is just a theory most of her theories make a lot of sense and explain alot
1 like+The Brony Notion but how would he know it was Discord I mean I don't think there was a label on the statue and miss Cherely knew because she's a teacher and has to know about Equistrion history
1 likeI think that is true because if star swirl became discord before the sisters rose to power, he would not be able to befriend scorpan because the royal sisters were there
1 likethis is probably the only thing here that isn't really Really long and actually makes sense :P
2 likesVery good point but, at Discord's house hanging on a hook by the front door is none other than Star Swirl's hat!
0 likes... But celly said that scorpan BEFRIENDED a young unicorn wizard also celly an Luna would have know😏
0 likesAnd they would know because STARSWIRL was the one who made celly and Luna leaders😏
0 likesI personally think that there were some serious continuity errors in past stories like that. I've tweaked and headcanoned all of them into something reasonable, but everyone will have their own ideas.
0 likesI LOVE this theory..the only problem is if Twilight figured out the spell wouldn't discord turn back to normal?He is their friend after all...
0 likesStar Swirl WAS corrupted when he wrote the spell, and changed into Discord.
0 likesStar Swirl`s back story: (my opinion)
Star Swirl woke up one day on a Sunday morning. He didn`t know what to do because he already finished all his spells. So he wondered back and forth, wondering what to do. Finally, after 2 hours, he had an idea. He went to grab his book. But then he thought something would happen, so he put the book back. His spell was to turn himself into an Alicorn, but he though he might turn out horribly, and it might turn out into a orange (fruit) frog or something. So he kept on walking back and forth, still thinking about what to do. Then he thought he could make a forming spell, meaning, to change into another pony, for one day (and yes, the other pony will become Star Swirl). So, again, he took out his book, and he wrote the spell. Since he has no friends to swap with, he decided to do a random pony. But little did Star Swirl know, he actually switched it into a unknown creature, and he didn`t realize, until he he felt something different happening when he was lifted in the air. He tried to get down with all his might, but it was too late. He turned into Discord as we know today: He was corrupted, and started to change all of Equestria, into Chaos for 1000 years.
The End. Hope you like my theory of Star Swirl`s back story! :D Leave a like if you liked it!
the comic said that star swirl was Celestia's magical council. Celestia would never trust Discord for that. and she states in that comic that they were close friends. and also just because he didn't understand friendship like Twilight it doesn't mean he didn't have any friends
0 likesthere's no evidence against Celestia being Chuck Norris either. i mean, Chuck Norris could've easily turned into Celestia when she was a filly.
2 likesThis theory probably isn't true. In the Journal of the Two Sisters, they mention that Star Swirl taught them magic. Plus, Luna says that she knew Star Swirl.
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Well remember, Starswirl was just a unicorn correct? And the princesses are alicorns, which live much longer than the normal pony.
1 likeThis theory has been disproved thanks to Fiendship is magic because star swirl banished the sirens after Celestia and Luna rose to power. Meaning that discord was already encased in stone.
0 likesWhat do you think about the theory that Sunburst is actually Starswirl who traveled back in time and Starlight is Clover the Clever?
0 likesDue to the season 7 finnally, I have to say Kim is right. I'm sorry to say it, Brony Notion, I still love yur vids.
3 likesI’m curious. How do you feel about this now that it’s been revealed the two are unrelated?
0 likesyes star swirl could be turned into a draconiqous BUT how do we know that there isn't only one of them? how can we know that he is a DIFFERENT draconaquis then discord?
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Hmmmm good point. They seem to have an entire species dedicated to his type... /)
1 like@The Brony Notion it makes scense that discord is starswirl cause his spell caused chaos in ponyville
1 likeThe sirens AFTER discord was turned to stone came and were banished by starswirl. If discord ruled in eternal chaos before Celestia and Luna stonified him, then none of the other villains that starswirl defeated could have rose to power during discord's reign. It would have been to hard and they would have failed. Therefore the villains starswirl defeated would have come after discord was turned to stone. All this proof came from piecing together the information given by the show, and not just one part A.K.A the first episode of discord because there are also other villains and you have to look at how they fit into the timeline
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discord decided since he was an outcast so he caused mischief to get payback for them outcasting him and maybe the villains were before his transformation it makes perfect sense. duh.
0 likeshow do you know it was after discord
0 likes+Alexias Hall I explained it in my previous comment
0 likes+Alexias Hall it is because no other villain would be able to rise in power due to discord's eternal chaos reign.
0 likesI do like you point and it would be cool if discord is star swirl. But I also don't see how he could go so dark / evil. Star Swirl seemed like a good pony and not the kind that could turn evil just like that. But if they are the same pony there's got to be more to go to him becoming evil than wanting to have fun
0 likesYou said that he was outcast because of his draconequus appearance but when he meet tirek he was a pony so why didn't, if he was Star Swirl, then turn into his old self or a pony and carry on with his studies instead of getting bored and in the end rising to power.
0 likesIn my opinion, if you remember, in star swirls spell he says a mark of one's destiny singled out a lone fulfilled somebody's cutie marks got changed and his destiny was fulfilled...turning into discord. I have proof because when twilight said the spell HER destiny was fulfilled. So yah
0 likesAged like a fine strawberry milk.
3 likesWhen starswirl the bearded is just starswirl the bearded
2 likesya know what I think? I think that star swirl the bearded was just having a a little fun with dark magic and turned into discord and got corrupted little at a time then when he changed back no one liked him and then he couldn't learn and finish the "friendship spell" and when he got completely corrupted and turned "evil" (btw I hate the term "evil" it's to harsh😕) anyway like if u agree 😉
0 likesAnd here's my argument on why Star Swirl the bearded is not Discord because the show itself showed Star Swirl the bearded who is obviously not Discord at the end of this recent season I'm sorry to burst your bubble still a fun fan Theory to write a fanfiction about though at least there's still that
1 likeHe makes a point. Starswell didnt have any friends. When he did the spell the spell changed him. Discord didnt have friends. This all makes sence
0 likessaying that the spell would swap around starswirls body is a very big leap of Faith, and you supplied no evidence for this hypothesis. the spell dousnt effect the physicle body but the magic that disideds what the pony is ment to do with their life and what their talents are. also with all the good starswirl DoD for equestria I find it extreamly unlikely that he would become one of the monsters he would normally help deffend equestria from out of just bordom. no I think it is possible that starswirl was instramentle in the accidental creation of discord, but it is extreamly unlikely for him to be discord himself.
8 likesalso if the second Equestria Girls is to be bileaved then starswirl was around A thousand years ago, after discord had been sealed in stone when he banished the sirens.
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+Samson Macri FINALLY someone mentions this.
0 likesstar swirls destiny could have been fame and glory, until he cast the spell and changed his destiny (on accident) so he would become destined to become the lord of chaos.
0 likes@Evelyn Belle your problem there is the "could be"'s yes it could be, but it's extremely unlikely.
1 likeI know it's been proven wrong by season 7 finally but I just wanted to say, twilight's friends purpose swapped and your theory was that starswirl's body parts changed species
0 likesJohn de Lancie also said he didn't know Discord's backstory, so if he didn't know his own backstory, how would he know who star swirl the bearded. Not much of an argument on her part tbh. (No hating on Ilovekimpossiblealot I watch her too)
0 likesWhat if because of the painful transformation, Starswirl was actually KILLED by his own spell and Discord is his "spirit" that could never die and is forced to live with what he did to himself forever?
0 likesBut Nightmare moon was banished to the moon for 1000 years after they defeated discord but she came back earlier. Plothole!!!
7 likesThis can actually be disproven by Occam's razor. Since your approach makes so many assumptions, it becomes so unlikely that your head cannon may as well be completely false. For example, even though I can't technically disprove that history didn't happen, I can prove it unlikely enough to disregard it.
0 likesthis is so well done , is sad that star swirl appeared in season 7 and he isnt discord :/
1 likeDear Brony Notion,
0 likesAs a pegasister I feel it is my duty to correct any flaws I may see in my beloved fandom. However much proof you may have supporting your theory you must consider this. (Just so you know my information is coming from Ink Rose who gets information from the creators so if any bronies/pegasisters would like to learn more of Equestria history please check out her channel if you already haven't.) The elements of harmony were originally Star Swirls idea. However because he did not understand friendship he gave up on the project as they were supposed to be weapons made by magic and were not powerful enough. This is because the greatest magic was friendship which again he did not understand. Instead his pupil Clover took over and was able to complete the task for she had first hoof experienced the power of friendship as seen in the Heart's Warming Eve episode. Now for my part. If Star Swirls were to create a spell and it did turn him into Discord would he not try to fix himself as he knows that there are things that ( the Elements of Harmony) that would be able to defeat him if he were to start chaos. Also I would think that Star Swirl would not understand friendship as he is known for his many studies and spell making. As a bit of back up Twilight originally did not understand friendship for she focused too much on her studies. This can be seen in the first episode when Twilight is so obsessed with the return of Nightmare Moon she does not care to go to a party. Also the two mares who ask her to join reply to her decline by one asking the other is something as " Does all that girl do is read?". That's kind of all I have to say. But if I were to support your theory my small piece of evidence is Discord's beard kind of looks like Star Swirls. Thanks if you read my comment if not anyone who did read it please tell me what you think of my response. I would love to know. Anyway can't wait for the next video!
From,
Sparkle Storm (my OC)
Sorry, Brony Notion. But, I think you forgot a point that could have helped you in this video. In part 2 of episode where discord come back the first time, discord takes twilight back in time to show her what he said. The only pony we know who knew how to back in time was Star Swirl. Also, to look at the casting the spell another way. yes, I do think it switched his body another, but I think it also messed up the harmony within him, making him the crazy messed up pony he is in the show.
0 likesIf the video clip at 2:48 shows Celestia and Luna before they rose into power then why do they have their crowns ^_^
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Huh...i never thought about that
0 likeslol
0 likes+Viliant Heart They were pretty much taking back what was theirs before Discord took over.
6 likesThey were already in power at that time.
0 likesEdit: Oh wait this was five years ago 😂😂😂😂
Francesca Canterino probably, very old comment tho
1 likeWell, this video is now most likely wrong... in the season four finale, it says Scorpan met Starswirl the bearded. And when discord sees Tirek, they act like they have already been acquainted. This means that discord was around when starswirl was around because Tirek couldn't met him at a later date beause he was trapped in Tartarus. I mean he could have met discord in the small time frame when Serberus (That's the two headed dog right?) got distracted and discord was recalled. But I don't blame you for thinking this because I don't think Season four was out at the time of this upload.
0 likesIt's like this: Discord has ALWAYS tried to do something to the elements of harmony, right? Well, I think he IS Starswirl the bearded. Because, star swirl AND Discord NEVER really had friends, right? So that's why they both tried to do something to the elements of harmony! Because they are the same person! BUT, in the end, Discord befriends all the mane six (Accept for when he helps out Tirek then goes back to friendly). StarSwirl the bearded just wanted friends, like Discord. So in the end, when Discord befriends them, as I've mentioned, it's REALLY StarSwirl, ask that's just my opinion.
0 likesAlso, no. I am not a brony.
Yes, I love MLP.
And yes, StarSwirl and Churches are the same. But transformed for disguise.
Love that we find out that for a fact he is not Star Swirl the bearded LOL
0 likesI believe a major point you missed was the fact that assumed that Starswirl didnt have friends even though Celestia said he didnt understand friendship as much as Twilight, therefore making your point invalid. Anyway, just something I wanted to point out....
0 likesThis theory is disproved. It was shown Scorpan and Starswirl were friends. But at that point discord was already turned to stone. So how could he exist at two points?
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Time travel
1 like@Dizzynoodlegamer only one time travel spell existed and could only send you back for a few seconds, not to even get into the paradoxes that would create!
1 likeWhile I won't argue about paradoxes I will say that its more than likely more than one time travel spell exist. There may not be many but there are certainly more than one.
0 likes@tetsiga45XxX Fine, but one one exists in canon. Untill we get clarification that there is more than one. I wont believe it...aslo there would still be pardoxes
0 likes@Sonicbolt How about this idea: he is discord, spirit of chaos. His nature means the laws of conventionality do not apply.
1 like@sirdeadlock fuck, you're right...
1 like@***** TLDR. I dont care, untill i see proof I wont believe it.
0 likes@***** Sure...you keep thinking that, it'll make you feel better until you're proven wrong
0 likes@***** My question is why would Discord go back to being Starswirl?
0 likes@***** I doubt Discord will ever truly give up on chaos. Its an integral part of his character. As for the former I'm not sure how Fluttershy would feel about him making such a drastic choice.
0 likes@***** I'd prefer it proven wrong since it being right would mean no more Discord.
0 likesConsidering statswirl made the time travel spell perhaps he was the only person who could re cast the spell?
0 likes@***** I know but she could only cast it once,
0 likes@Dizzynoodlegamer Because it was on a scroll. As we all know scrolls on spells only work once and then vanish.
0 likes@***** I was looking through what people Commented on this and found yours and I was like: OMG TOO MUCH READING!!!!!
0 likes@***** I only tried to read the first one xD and ignored the 2nd (And I think this theory is true. Discord Is Star Swirl the Bearded, well Idk xD)
0 likes@***** Kay I am done replying now xD
0 likes@Sonicbolt Who's Scorpan? Is he/she from the comics or the show?
0 likes@Sonicbolt changelings, changelings everywhere
0 likesJust because Celly say that Starswirl did not have the same understanding of friendship as Twilight dont mean that he never had friends. He was friends with Celly and Luna in the comics and friends with Scorpan in the tv show. it sort of works like this: lets say you know how to multiplicate and I do not. Does that mean that I do not know how to do math? No, I could know how to add, subtract, divide or something else instead. I might not know math the way you know, but I can still do math.
0 likesAnd another bit of hole in your theory is why would Starswirl cast an unfinished spell? Twilight did not know what it was supposed to do that's why she cast it, but Star swirl knew what he wanted to do with the spell, he just didnt manage to finish it because he didnt know how.
It seems highly unlikely that Discord is Star Swirl because you never show any evidence you simple use head-canon and head-canon are not evidence.
0 likesBrony Notion, that timeline is missing one thing, the time in which Luna became nightmare moon.
0 likesThere is not a real detailed explanation other than luna got jealous of her sister becane nightmare moon.
My question is could there have been more to this? Star swirl of bearded books were laying about the castle for all intensive purpose.
What if Celestia though she turned that way because of jealously and didn't think that one of star swirls spells did that.
What if luna read those books to find out the truth that lead star swirl did become discord and decided to try and use a spell to change him back only to fail and become nightmare moon.
Could this be something that could tie in discord and star swirl of bearded to being believable?
Interesting take. :)
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2:23 that's a cool pic of Starswirled the Bearded :D Both of your theories are pretty interesting nice job! :)
5 likesXD Kp MAD
4 likes@scootaloo .A lol I know right?
2 likesWoo boo I love ilovekimpossiblealot
3 likesI was gonna tell you but then I wacthed sory spelling so yeah
1 likeim going to have to side with KP on this one.......i dont think theres a way discord can be starswrild. in twilght kindom it says that sombody became freinds with a young startswril and discord was not even around at this point so........ya.
5 likesI've read a official book lately: Guide of the two sisters. It's about Luna and Celestia. They write about Starswirl the Bearded and I honestly don't think it could be the same, since in the book, Starswirl the Bearded leads the princesses to the Tree of Harmony. But the first time the sisters use the Elements, Discord doesn't seem to know about them. So that doesn't make sence.
5 likes@***** I would dout Kim would do that kind of thing but nice try anyways. And no I'm NOT trying to bully you.
1 like@Dutch Brony That's a good point you got there I believe in KP I think Discord is NOT Starswirled :D
2 likes@Carrigan Martin me too!
2 likesi think that if discord was REALLY starswirled, that megen or the writers would have given some sort of veg hint about discord being starswirled. mabey like in one of megen's tweets or a little hint in a eqeustrian history episode like in a flash back.
@BE A WEIRD Agreed! :D
0 likesHere's the actual theory... how do we know you actually LIKE Kim Possible? B-)
0 likes@Carrigan Martin but if you read my comment you will read that that pic is not the real star swirl his beard is brown witch further proves the theory of discord being star swirl
1 like@Lydia GKrager I know the pic is not real :) I just thought it looked cool if it was
0 likes@Carrigan Martin yea before i read the book i thought it was REALLY cool too!
1 like@Lydia GKrager :D
0 likes@***** wow i thought no one was reading that book so many people made so many thoerys that would go ageist it right?
0 likesThere is no proof the comics are canon
0 likes-_- hmm...now Idk anymore
0 likes@Marquis Yarosh its not a comic and yes, i think there legit *rolls eyes because its hasbro made and they wouldn't put anything there that wasnt true
0 likesas for his take, you can take famous persons we know today but hardly know about without researching. Frued is a name you hear a lot, he's an early psychologist that brought up the topic of sex effecting behaviors. he was the first to do so, so its understandable that there were many mistakes especially with so little done in psychology at the time.
0 likeslooking him up today, you'll see many mistakes and we even have references and phrases for him because of the mistakes and weird deviancy he had. at the same time, he dedicated an amazing amount of new research into psychology because of him breaking ground that everyone else was afraid to even bring up due to the strict culture and their behavior towards it. psychology is what it is today because of him and yet he's also remembered as an outcast. the benefit from that research is just too good and beneficial.
in mlp, this would be a perfect example as an explanation, equestria runs on magic. it uses magic as its weapons and defenses, for its everyday tasks and more. if star swirl was indeed discord and immortal, its only a matter of time that a bored, undying magician would continuously practice with magic in newer and newer ways trying to pass the time. we can also see evidence of time magic spells being one of discord's tricks while the effects are unknown. he showed twilight exactly what he had said and done in return of harmony p.2. being so engrossed with his own magic potential like twilight was would take up time to even bother making friends. twilight only made friends because they saved each other, she wasn't even trying to make friends when ordered and even surrounded throughout the night with ponies that cared about her safety. as for SS, being unable to satisfy his creativity he could've started to experiment on living creatures and then ponies to see what'd happen and maybe just to poke fun.
Kim :D
0 likesoh my gosh I LOVE YOU IM SUBSCRIBED TO YOU 😄
0 likesWow what was I saying? Guys I think discord is NOT star swirl!!!
0 likesOHHH the notion got REAL BUSTED.
1 likeCause we find out about his in the season 7 finale. Cause if Starswirl was the teacher of Celestia n Luna then who was the one trapped in stone ??
ILoveKimPossibleAlot
0 likesI'm on ur side. Because in the end of season 7, it is revealed that star swirled was in limbo
0 likestoo bad your right now
0 likesILoveKimPossibleAlot you wet right in the finality star swirl was is a place called limbo to keep a monster there
0 likesi watch u channels do game play please
0 likesILoveKimPossibleAlot you are right
0 likesI'm kinda sad it wasn't what happened as it would have made for a great moment in the show.
0 likesYour right I'm from 2021
0 likesWho's to say Celestia and Luna weren't already in power when they banished Discord? They already have been ruling Equestria when they turned Discord to stone.
0 likesI now think that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded because the resemblance is way too obvious. And if they do say that the IDW Comics are canon to the show then both Princess Celestia and Princess Luna were around and were already princesses when Star Swirl the Bearded were around. I agree that the spell that Princess Celestia gave Twilight did something to Star Swirl the Bearded and nopony found out about it and Princess Celestia didn't realize the disappearance of Star Swirl the Bearded and the appearance of Discord was two of the same thing. If the comics are canon to the show and even though both Meghan Mccarthy and Discord's voice actor John De Lancie has said differently they can lie to hid potential spoilers in the show's future so not to ruin the surprise of it. I think maybe they should reveal that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded in the My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Movie next year. That would be the biggest What a Twist in cartoon history. The only thing that could top that is Ash's dad being revealed to be Team Rocket's boss Giovanni.
0 likesI don't think discord is star swirl because in the season 7 finally it was said that star swirl and the pillars of Equestria had made the elements of harmony but then to defeat the Pony of Shadows they had to send the pony of shadows and themselves to Limbo. This all happened before Discord was defeated the first time. Discord can not be Discord because Star swirl was in Limbo while Discord was making chaos everywhere.
0 likesThe side-canon from the books and comics place starswirl in the castle of the two sisters after the fall of discord. So, this timeline doesn't really work.
0 likesThe journal of the two sisters states star swirl was with them.
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i guess your theory is a bit off, but hey, you might be close!
0 likesKimberly Howland star swirl was their royal sourcerer
0 likesThere's one flaw with this whole idea, if discord is starswirl, tirek wouldn't know him as discord cause starswirl played in his imprisonment
0 likesi think this theory is pretty good because discord is mainly 6 species, and everything else that was said was pretty good too
0 likesOr... Maybe his friends WERE those animals that he has turned into? Just imagine that the monster, with whom Apple Bloom has met in a fiery swamp has not been made by Discord and individually was his friends when he was like...Star Swirl the Bearded? I mean, after all, Fluttershy is a close friend to animals, then why would not he be alike? That would explain the mixed creatures. Maybe they do not represent elements of harmony, so maybe that's why that spell mixed them. Or once the animals had no special talent, the spell changed their body parts and not cutiemarks. And maybe he just tested this spell on the animals and on himself? Sorry for unperfect English. I saw excerpts from the movie with Russian subtitles in your video, so maybe you understand Russian?
0 likesI think (like you said) Discord is Star Swirl but he changed himself. I think he didn't intend to make the spell.. He performed the spell then turned himself into discord and losing control of his power and trying to rule Equestria but getting control again and accepts friendship BUT his other side is still evil so he often betrays everyone :3
0 likesWe should stop saying "season 7 happened!" "season 7 happened!" as look at when this video was uploaded as it's outdated!! It's probably annoying
6 likesHonestly, it checks out. Until you watch the 3 newest seasons.
1 likeI’m in the future and if discord was star swirl the bearded he wouldn’t appear because he got transformed but he did come back in season 8 I think he did come back somewhere though but I don’t know which season
1 likeStarswirl the bearded does have friends because in the last two episodes of season 7 he comes back with 5 different ponies that are from different legends they and the main six help defeat the shadow pony but Starswirl dosen't seem very friendly
0 likesCelestia has been alive for thousands of years and in one of the episodes she had said that star swirl was once her student. you are leaving out info that the show has mentioned
0 likesNARNIA REFRENCES THANK YOU SO MUCH!
4 likesI have my own theory about MLP:FIM the theory is that celestia had this whole thing planned from the start, I mean what are the odds that she would be under that window right at the moment she did her first spell? or why she came in at the right time to turn twilight into a princess? or how she happened to have the book that caused all the problems in the season finally of season 3 which she showed to luna at the beginning of season 3
0 likesAt first I thought this was just bullshit but now, i believe that something like this actually happen in fact maybe the EXACT same thing could have happened
0 likes1:54 He can have friends, even if he doesn't understand the meaning of friendship. There are a lot of people like this in our not cartoon world.
0 likesi like to think that Celestia knew Star Swirl, and also knew about his transformation, that's why she wanted to bring him back and reform him :3
0 likesThe bronynotion discord isn't starswirl the bierded because of the season 7 finale 2017
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Mrs. Miraculous it hasnt come out though
5 likesThis was posted before season 7
15 likesMrs. Miraculous that what I was thinking.
2 likesHey Its Star Yes on my channel
1 likeLetupita Letupita what?
1 likeRandom Woona i know thats why i Worte 2017 if your Not blind 😑
3 likesthe finale was pretty good but not many people saw it coming when this theory was made :0
4 likesMrs. Miraculous yup
0 likesI hate it, because I'm German and the german version isn't out yet :/ I could watch the english episode, I have no problem understanding it, but I don't want to totally forget the german voices of the mane six XD
0 likesThis was posted in like 2014, obviously it’s now been debunked and he knows that.
2 likesThis vid is out dated :T
3 likeswhat is that episode called?
0 likesLa Luna it’s wrote*
0 likesLa Luna this was before season 7 maybe this was when season 1 and 2 werd out
0 likesLa Luna this was in 2014
0 likesLa Luna, u mean season 6
0 likesLa Luna s
0 likesyay season 7 killed all theroies
0 likesIn season 8 both Discord AND Starswirl were in it 😏
0 likes@Meiyan’ Laforme true but too be "Honest" I think mlp would be a much more compelling series if these theories where true.
0 likes@Meiyan’ Laforme if they weren't fun to watch I wouldn't be here lol 😂😂😂
0 likesThank you
0 likesThis was posted before season 7
0 likesMe
0 likesThis was made at approx season 3m
0 likesdates are important
0 likes@arianella it is
0 likesGalaxy Girl when this video was made the episode hadn’t come out yet
0 likesGurl I think you need spell check
0 likesI dont think the spell swapped his body parts. Its not like he can become friends with parts of himself. Not too many people focus on wat the spells intentions were. Celestia says that the spell is unfinished and he couldnt get it right but I dont believe her. I think the spell was done, but created for bad intention. "From one to another, another to one, a mark of ones destiny singled out alone fulfilled." Starswirl knew the secret to ascension, its making friends in order to wield the elements. However, he did not have any intention to make friends. If you pay close attention to the spell, it says exactly wat he wants done, which is to switch all the elements except the one meant for him so they are rendered useless and unneecessary for becoming an alicorn. He was trying to cheat the elements. Wat I think happened is when he cast the spell, they didnt switch since the elements didnt belong to one individual each yet to make is easily swappable. Instead, the spell backfired and the elements might have shot their magic at him, but only this time as a chaotic and corrupted magic due to an attempt of mal-use, thus turning him into Discord. Why do you think Celestia leaves Twilight in the dark all the time? She doesnt wana open up secrets in fear Twilight would also become corrupt and lose another successor. Proof? Sunset Shimmer. She also knew ascension was in her future and became corrupt with the thought of power. Shes also the first and only pony we've seen use an element for mal-use and as a result, it made corrupt magic and transformed her.
0 likesIsn't there a book that revealed that Celestia and Luna were chosen by Star Swirl to rule Equestria?
0 likesAlso, I have my own theory: Star Swirl is King Sombra.
I disagree because in one episode celestia explains that discord was born with his parents but lost them in a fight and celestia and luna found discord after their parents died and became friends . After a long friendship with celestia and luna discord became power hungry and took over equestria. At that time celestia and luna were already old enough to rule peacefully while discord was older and able to control his powers.
0 likesAnd so, season seven killed this theory. Seriously, the minute I watched it, my first thought was, "Notion is probably pissed right now."
1 likeI don't think its true just because of the mlp comics :P
5 likesStarswirl was still Starswirl while Celestia was in power.
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Lots of people have mentioned the comics, tbh, I actually haven't read them, but in most cases discrepancies from the show would give it a different canon, so that the occurrences and history of the show and comic can differ greatly. It's just a thought though :) /)))
1 likeI believe that the comics are cannon. :P
0 likesCould be considered to be my headcannon though :P
@The Brony Notion It was mentioned by... I forgot what staff member that the comics should be treated as canon unless the show disproves the comic.
2 likes@Storm Analysis To be fair, the show is very confusing regarding it's lore before Celestia's monarchy. Sure, they showed the imprisionment of Discord and Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon, but they don't really tell us when did Scorpan and Tirek came into Equestria, or what events lead to Discord becoming the tyrant of Equestria... Or more importantly, how Celestia and Luna archieved alicorn status.
0 likesEh.
2 likesHeadcanons?
@Storm Analysis Nothing a headcanon can't fix I guess XD
1 like@The Brony Notion Celly did say that Star was her student
0 likes@janice2004226 Where?
0 likeswhen Twi was turning to an alicorn
0 likes@janice2004226 No she didn't
0 likesHuh? she didn't?
0 likes@janice2004226 Nope, she said:
0 likes"You've done something today that's never been done before, something even a great magician like Star Swirl the Bearded was not able to do. Because he did not understand friendship like you do."
Idk sorry den
0 likes@janice2004226 It's OK :)
0 likes@Alma Martinez
1 likeluna and celestia were born alicorns lauren said that herself
Maybe IF Discord is Star Swirl, the chaotic mash-up of creatures that he is influenced his personality so he became random and chaotic.
0 likes0:48, you forgot when Starswirl befriended Scorpan while the Princessess were...also...around? But I thought the Princesses showed up out of nowhere to kick Discord's sorry but. After all, he did rule in an "eternal" state before they came to save the (third person referred to) ponies of Equestria.
0 likesthis video appeared in my recommended while i'm having trouble with stuff and I decided to watch it, that's how much I love these theories!
0 likesI personally don't believe Starswirl became Discord. I believe Starswirl was working on his spell when he disappeared, hence making it unfinished. Later on, Discord was born, but as a pony who becomes cursed later on. Also, SOMEpony has had to put two and two together! We GOTTA know!
0 likesMaaan.... People are so stubborn this days... If they say that Discord is not Star Swirl, then he is NOT Star Swirl! Come on, even the comics never connect these characters!!! (They only say that Star Swirl was similar to Pinkie Pie) It doesn't make sense, because Draconyus and Ponies are different species. If Star Swirl really turned hymself into a monster don't you think that Celestia would have knowen?? (She's a freaking Alicorn for god sake!!!!) And instead , in return of Harmony, she would have said: Discord was a unicorn who abuse of his powers and turned into a monster!!! And not: Discord IS THE SPIRT OF DISHARMONY, he ruled Equestria bla bla.... So no, for me Discord is just another type of creature but nothing to do with Star Swirl! I support ILoveKimPossibleAlot's theory!
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ORRRRRR he lived even before Celestia and Luna were even close to being past their foal years so they could have almost 0 information about him since they didn't know anything about the great wizard besides what was written and he could have hidden that secret for as long as he has been alive now so he could observe the elements of harmony in peace and tests Equestria to find the true owners of the Elements of Harmony through his chaotic mischief but has no real intentions of destroying it or ruling it. Discord is the god of chaos so he could literally plummet them into a hellish (cartoon style) existence without even wasting a breath if his real intentions were like that. Who knows who Starswirl really is though to be honest but him being Discord isn't as strange as you might think and does make a fair amount of sense.
0 likesNot close....
0 likesCloser than you are even allowing yourself to think. Both of our theories are false until it is made official. You seem to think that Celestia is more powerful than Discord which is hilarious at best.
0 likes@Divine Shadow I don't think that celestia is the most powerfull creature Do be honest, I would love discord as the new King of equestria!, but if you think that you're theory is right...Explain to me why was star swirl living with celestia. In one of the comics, we see both of them traveling trough the mirror. They did lived at the same time, and Star swirl maybe saw discord fall. But they are not the same person. When the writers of the serie tell you that he's not, then he's not. End of story. You can wacth all the mlp episode until you die, but you'll never see star swirl turn into discord because they are not the same person!!!
0 likes@Jade Faury
0 likesEven if they did spend time together that still doesn't disprove the theory at all Jade. Also who on the writing team said that Discord wasn't Star Swirl the Bearded? I'm pretty sure De Lancie doesn't write for them but is just the VA for Discord. Also please work on your grammar so I can better understand what you say properly because it's very hard to decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.
@Divine Shadow Sorry for the gramar, I know a lot of people say that to me, but its still hard to get it all right!!! (Sorry for that bro! I'll get better! :p ) Haven't you seen the ilikekimpossiblealot video about that? At one momento she shows a tumblr ubtate from discord who says that he is not star swirl the bearded. That theory that everyone loves and hate is just that: A fanart... Just like DiscordxCelestia (witch the writers totally destroyed saying us that there was nothing between this two characters T_T its a shame) Discordx Fluttershy or even human versions of them! (Oh wait, they did a movie about it already, didn't go very well...) My point is that, the theory of discord been star swirl the bearded is fun and entretaning, but its just that: A theory. An hasbro is not magicly gonna exhaus all our wishes. They don't make theories come true if they don't like, and this one doesn't seem like an exception...
0 likes@Jade Faury
0 likesThe tumblr of discord doesn't mean it's the exact person who voices Discord because I'm pretty sure he has a lot more things to do then post on tumblr (I'm not even famous and I have better things to do than be on tumblr) the only person who has full control of the entire show and which direction it goes in is Lauren Faust or whoever else is in charge of the show. I haven't seen or heard her say anything about it so the theory still stands for the most part. Romance being as clean as day in MLP will never happen unless someone makes an 18+ version (if I had the animation skills I would have already done this just to help out the fans and my own desires) honestly whether it's true or false it's still pretty cool :p
Also grammar takes time trust me I know. You do NOT wanna see my comments from 2010 because you would never understand them that's how bad it was.
Just double check your paragraphs or sentences when you write something out to fix any mistakes that's what I do c:
@Divine Shadow Thanks for the advice! :3
0 likesNow that I remember, I think it wasen't tumblr, I think it was twitter! (I kind of counfuse them) But seriously, if you haven't seen that episode from KP, I highly suggest you do it now, then we can talk. I realize that there is nothing that I can do to convince you, but it was surely entretaning. Thanks anyways, and maybe in time the answers to our questions will be revealed.
@Jade Faury
0 likesI've seen her video a long time ago (I was a big fan of hers :p and might just go back and re-watch some episodes now :p) Also you're very welcome and I see that your reply was very clear so I hope that i could be of some use so now only can you get your point across but also avoid most of the jerks on the internet ~hugs~ :) hopefully we can get a clear answer someday but for now lets just get excited for Season 5! :D
@Divine Shadow (Hugs!) Yeah, hopefully everything will get clear in time. Can't wait for season5 !!!!! :D
1 likeWhat if the town knew about starswirl disappearing and discord appearing maybe they thought discord did something with starswirl and turned their backs on him. That could've made him angry, and caused him to take over equestria.
0 likesSeason 7: Literally destroys this theory
2 likesI'm so dedicated to mlp, that I became vegetarian for it, is that going too far?
2 likesThanks to Season 7 finale this theory is busted.
3 likesif the writers say that discord is not star swirl then discord is not star swirl
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Agreed.
0 likesI feel like star swirled got consumed by the same "dark forces" that consumed luna, and turned into sombra....
0 likesIn season 7, discord was still there, and star swirl just came back from limbo.
0 likesHe had no friends so instead of switching friends it switched him. Also, comics don't count because often they are not like the show.
0 likescan u do a video on how long ponies live for? Twilight was just a filly when first went to the summer sun celebration or whatever it's called. About 20 people years later, its been another 1000 years and she goes to the same celebration again. Henceforth, nightmare moon comes. Why does a pony year take so long?
1 likeI agree with the timeline on all except ONE major point. I don't think he turned into Discord. I think the evidence points to him turning into Sombra instead. I mean, when you think about it, he has a lot more in common with Sombra than with Discord. Let's break it down.
12 likesStar Swirl - unicorn with crazy amounts of powerful magic.
Sombra - unicorn with crazy amounts of powerful magic.
Star Swirl - existed before the time of Luna and Celestia. How long before, or if he was a contemporary of theirs, is unknown. The inclusion of a whole wing of their royal library suggests they had tremendous respect for him, and possibly knew him.
Sombra - while unknown, the fact that the Crystal Empire had no place in known Equestrian History until it resurfaced suggests it has been gone for a very significant amount of time. Luna and Celestia were the ones who stopped Sombra, but at what point in their timeline is unknown. It likely occured sometime after their defeat of discord (they had the Elements of Harmony?) but possibly before they truly took power.
Star Swirl - Tried and failed to give himself the magic of Alicorns.
Sombra - Seems to have a twisted version of Alicorn magic (given Twilight immediately using his sort of magic when Zecora told her to use such magic).
Star Swirl - Seems to have been friendless by the end of his career/life (given that he never finished the spell that switched cutie marks). With friends weilding the Elements of Harmony, the spell transformed Twilight into an Alicorn- at the cost of her previous body. Seriously, her old body gets obliterated, and the next time we see her (physically), she has wings.
Sombra - Without friends, what effect might that spell have had on a pony? The further away from a source of a particular magic, Sombra was disembodied. A single magic crystal (the crystal heart) was what allowed him to take form. Twilight's friends all had magic crystals as well (the Elements of Harmony), and her transformation into Alicorn was a success. But who's to say what might have happened if someone had tried to do it on their own, with only one magic gem?
Star Swirl - certainly involved in the ruling and politics of the unicorn race in pre-equestrian days, but seems to have moved out of those lands before the formation of Equestria, evidenced by the fact that it is his pupil who helps form the new nation, not him.
Sombra - CERTAINLY involved in the ruling and politics of the Crystal Empire.
And last but not least,
Star Swirl - his title isn't "The Magnificent", or "the Great", but "The Bearded". Given what we've seen of male ponies in the MLP universe, facial hair really rare. Who's the only other male pony we've seen with facial hair (besides that one foreign dignitary) and who MAY have been alive before Celestia and Luna took power?
Sombra - Has sweet sideburns, yo.
That's my thoughts on the subject. Maybe I'll make a video like this one describing this theory, but with pictures and clips. Still, I'd love to hear what you all have to say!
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One plot hole. Starswirl was still alive when tirek and his brother arrived and at that time the two sisters were in power. This means star swirl couldn't have been sombra because it would be recorded history of his transformation. The reason I say this is because if star swirl was sombra then the writers had a very easy and good moment to make it canon and didn't. We gave to remember that this stuff is all written and if they wanted it they would tell us when the moment was litterly RIGHT there in season 3.
0 likesIts this plot hole that disproves him being discord as well. Since the sisters were in power when tirek arrived mean discord was stone. (Anyone who says time travel shouldn't. Only one case of time travel, which was going to the past, was made canon)
Of course this is all belief in the end. And your entitled to your opinion. My however is that star swirl was never a villian... Unless they make him his own separate one in the future.
Remember discord was a type of known species and sombra was before gone before starswirl was gone.
@CesarTheKing sombra wasn't originally an unicorn he was an earth pony who was somewhat adept at magic which all ponys posses and wished to obtain more power and used blackmagic to make himself an unicorn but well black magic made him evil
0 likes@Lemon Square That's a very good point, but I'm not entirely sure. We really don't have any idea at what time the Crystal Empire vanished. One way it might have gone is this:
0 likesWindigoes --> Sirens --> Discord --> Tirek --> Sombra --> Nightmare Moon.
Of course, every point in that scale is interchangeable except for the Windigoes and Nightmare Moon (and even then, the sirens might have been before the windigoes, but that plays in to my other theory that they were one and the same, so sirens' banishment would be later), but Sombra coming after Tirek works with my theory.
@MCB A.K.A "THE MIGHTY VISECTAMAKER" Source?
0 likes@CesarTheKing i don't remember the exact one but I believe it was mentioned in the one where twilight traveled back in time
0 likes@CesarTheKing that's true. Something to note is that wherever tirek was in this timeline is, star swirl is before him. So in a way its kinda dictated by when tirek was. So if the writers make a timeline for us we may be able to prove or disprove the sombra thing by that alone.
1 like@Lemon Square Agreed. We need an MLP version of the Hyrule Historia or something else with an official historical timeline. Until then (or something else in the show) happens, I'll stick with my theory.
0 likes@CesarTheKing Fair enough
0 likes+CesarTheKing
2 likesWe see Sombra's true form in the season 3 pilot, though. Celestia and Luna reverted him to it when they defeated him. And he appears before Twilight and her friends in it when they first see him in person.
sombra's backstory is reveled in "fiendship is magic" the comic mini series. i believe the first issue
0 likes@Ace Link me please? Whenever I try find something I just get real disappointed and find nothing.
0 likesWell, its a real, physical comic, by IDW, you have to go to your local comic store to get it, and hope they have a copy, or even carry mlp comics. The other option is going to the idw website and buying a digital copy , or ordering the comics online
1 likeCelestia and Luna were Starswirl's students
0 likesIf starswirls the bearded turned to discord with he´s last spell he wrote in his book, then would he turn to starswirls the bearded again if he would use the same spell twilight wrote to become a princess.
0 likesI have to agree that discord is starswirl the bearded. But I realize that I thought that the spell should turn that turn them into discord was this unfinished spell that turned twilight into an alicorn, but, he made a few friends so, now that he's made some friends shouldn't that have turned it back into starswirl the bearded if he is starworld? I mean the spell is because he didn't have friends but now that he has friends shouldn't he be starswirle again. I mean Celestetia even says it herself that he did not understand friendship like twilight so shouldn't he be starswirl again.
0 likesI totally agree with him when the timeline came in
0 likesbroney you realize this is connected to other theories of yours. like the one where twilight time traveld and became clover the clever. and the one where celestia and luna are from an alicorn civilization. like for example, in the alicorn civilization theory, you said luna and celestia noticed that the equestria was falling appart, in this case discord was tearing it appart because he wanted to have "fun" so they came to equestria and turned discord to stone and the rest of the timeline goes on. and the one where twilight time travels i came up with the idea that twilight migh have been the ACTUAL pony that then TAUGHT star swirl the spell without noticing she changed the future to its actual self because she sees star swirl didn't know the spell wich lead to this whole body morph thing. and i can also state that star swirl DID have a friend. in this case, clover the clever, or time travel twilight. in this little theory at that point of history star swirl was more lighthearted so he made friends with twilight. but later on he KNOWS that twilight time-traveled and he ALSO creates the time travel spell she used in the episode, but since he felt betrayed by a friend that seemed to trust him but didn't trust him enough to tell him she time traveled and tell him she was an alicorn too so he started to loose all the friends he HAD because he started treating them like they would do what twilight did. this is what leads to the inmortality spell. because at one point he realizes he's getting old and he's gonna die, but he wants to prove himself stronger that twilight so he discovers an inmortality spell, wich he uses on himself and keeps a secret so no one would be too overpowered, but sadly the overpowered one was him. this leads to all of your theory when he decides to use twilights cutiemark changing spell, but he DID use it, although twilight never noticed she never told star swirl the antidote spell for the cutie mark swap, so since he used the spell on himself, it was permanent. another thing is that, since the cutie mark spell changed the main 6's personality, it changed his too. from a warm-hearted sweet man, to a horrible stone-hearted creature, but since somehow FLUTTERSHY managed to turn discord into who he was when he was star swirl later in the season we know he's who he was again. false, because like i stated earlier the spell WAS permanent, and not only for that but because only one pony was willing to trust discord, wich is fluttershy so discord didn't fully change back to his old self, so he didn't morph back to a pony and still has a teensy bit of mischief in his personality. if u read this plz make it into a vid bye!
0 likesLooking for kp's comment ._.
3 likesWell, John De Lancie claims has never actually watched the show!
2 likes@The Brony Notion To add to your theory in S.3 Ep.11 "Keep Calm and Flutter On" Discord admit's the Flutter Shy is in fact his very first friend. Thus proving that if he was Star Swirl the Bearded he indeed had no friend's as Star Swirled. (Plus who can get over that beard and those eye brows on Discord and Star Swirled! XD )
0 likesI beleive you...... well sorta. And Celestia's story was very convincing at first, that Discord was evil. But there is another side to the story to. Witch I hope you do a video on Discord's side to the story.
0 likesI agree, maybe chaos is Star Swirl's d, so the spell fulfilled his destiny like the spell said.
0 likesThis is how many people are watching after season 9. 👇🏻
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Ummmmm oops
2 likes"Celly" is such a cute nickname for Celestia
0 likesAcually, I watched a video by Ink Rose about the history of Celestia and Luna, and it said that when discord was a baby, he was friends with young tia and luna. Then, when they grew older and stopped playing with him, he got mad and decided to turn evil just like his parents. Then, Tia and Luna defeated him and rules until Nightmare moon was banished. And, star swirl couldn't of been alive when the race of alicorns were. So, that prooves that StarSwirl and Discord are NOT the same person
0 likesstarswirl does have friends they used to use the elements of harmony.
0 likesthen they rose up against the pony of shadows and took him to limbo and they got stuck.
I actually agree with I love Kim possible, this is because if that spell that star swirl used was against friendship and it turned into discord, then now that he's made a few friends and earn their trust, that his spell is now undone, then shouldn't discord have a transform back into star swirl the bearded, it's a theory but I believe that he is not starswirl because friendship should turn him back, sense no friendship turned him into discord pension friendship turn him back please put this into and video PS I am one of your biggest fans
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I also wanted to add on that if starswirl was discord then he would've told Celestial for help and he must'v, but, if this was true then shouldn't she and Luna be hesitant to do anything like she was to do anything for nightmare moon and a little bit for Crystalis (but that's not the point I think it was only to let her finish her statement and to find out her whole plan)
0 likesI think it works because, in the comics, Star Swirl is said to behave like Pinkie Pie, yet hold grudges VERY easily. This fits Discords character as he is very up-beat, likes to play 'jokes' and doesn't seem to forgive what twilight or her friends did to him because he still tries to cause a little trouble between them all.
3 likesI would understand why Discord is Star Swirl. First off, he has a resemblance to the unicorn simply by his white beard and eyebrows. It makes sense further than that, but I don't know how to put it in words.
0 likesAlso Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that I'm not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did disappear... But we couldn't be exactly sure if Discord is actually Star Swirled.
0 likesAlso Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that I'm not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did disappear... But we couldn't be exactly sure if Discord is actually Star Swirled.
0 likesI love your theories but I don't think Lauren Faust really thought all of this through. It's just a kids show.
0 likesThis theory is possible unless Hasbro FINALLY comes to their senses and makes an episode and explains why Star Swirl is so popular and who he was. I mean honestly if Twilight likes him so much and Ponyville has a museum for him, tell us about him Hasbro!
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@WildKamots They need to make an episode.
0 likesThat would be really cool. I mean it is the offical story of them. However, I read it and it said the princesses were blank flanks when they become princess, so why did they need to rise the sun and moon in the first place as princesses when still blank flanks.
2 likes@TNT Gaming My theory is he's going to play a big part in season 5 finale. Twilight is a princess, has a title and a mission I think the map will take the mane 6 to the past and we'll finally understand was StarSwirl isall about.
0 likesI think it's more reasonable to think he got trapped in a book or something once discord is ruled out by what I said before, and that the princesses only knew that one day someone would come and free him. Once Celestia also knew it was Twilights density to be a princess one day and not just remain a normal pony so she could in fact know that Star is trapped and Twilight is strong enough to save him. I'd make a interesting season final to go on a quest and find this book that happens to have Star.
0 likesThat'san interesting theory in it's own. I just hope the season finale features his past and we finally get to see what he's all about
0 likesSeason 7 episode 25 to 26
0 likesHe's in episodes now and Discored is not starswirl CONFIRMED
0 likesYou should do a video on which Elements of Harmony the two Alicorn Princesses represent if you haven't already
0 likesFalse. Read comics- they are considered "cannon." you are right in the timeline, celestia did meet Star swirl after the Discord issues.
0 likesAlso to prove this theory star-swirl and discord both have bushy eyebrows and a beard..... So it could possibly be completely true that they are the same pony draconakiss thing something like that
1 likeI'm sorry, but this is you're first video I've had to disagree on, I don't really think it's possible that Discord could be Star Swirled. Anyway, even if fan logic works, I don't think the writers will follow up on that. It's just too hard to belive. Sorry Notion. .__.
0 likesI want to know how old Celestia actually is.
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2 likesYea I hate it when idiots say OH SHES 1000!! So did she banish nightmare moon when she was one month old or what?
10 likes@LightningStorm3321 me too (love your bill cypher profile pic)
0 likesThousands
0 likesyesh
0 likesTEN THOUSAND
0 likes+Toothless Baby celestia: For the crime of stealing my apple juice you go to the moon.
2 likesLuna: Cries hard
LOLZ XD
0 likesFrom my research she has been there since the beginning of time
2 likes+bonnie bunny propably multiple mileniums maybe two or three we will never know
0 likesIt's over 9,000
3 likes3million lol
0 likesi know right
0 likesShe is OVER 9000!
2 likes+Loyd Brown Just for that, I like you. NO HOMO
0 likes+bonnie bunny i know rght from the show we know that both her and luna are over 1000 years old but it dos not show how old thay are i think that Celestia was a teen ween dicord came and the same with luna
0 likesyesh
0 likesWhat if: celestia and luna weren't born alicorns?
0 likes:O
0 likesShe's a little over 1,000
0 likes@Loyd Brown They WERE born as Alicorns.
0 likesWho said they were?
0 likes@Loyd Brown Lauren Faust.
1 likeSpringjuicr
0 likesAbout 2,000 years old
Springjuicr somehow older than granny but still looks young
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0 likesI think horses and ponies are differents in mlp.
Springjuicr she is 1M years old
0 likesPokemon Acnl i
0 likesA woman never reveals her age.
0 likesMuch over a millenia because she said that she was young when Star Swirl was her teacher, just before he disappeared by banishing the Shadow Pony, which by the way, was said to be over a millenia ago.
0 likesDon't we all. (I have my own headcannons, of course. Everyone does.)
0 likesMatilyn Blair I always thought them to be young adults at the time of Discord's defeat, so we have pretty similar ideas.
0 likesShe's -12 years old.
0 likesThe journal of the two sisters kinda broke this theory... Heck, even the comics!
0 likesOk let me get this straight. HIW COULD I BECOME A DIFFERENT SPECIES? You can't just switch species just because you don't have friends
0 likesAnd here i thought my crazy theory was mine and mine alone. i'm not disappointed. ^^
0 likesSeriously, the fact that others believe that this is real makes me even more happy to know that it's very possible.
1. Both Discord and Starswirl have facial hair. What other pony, unicorn, Pegasus, or alicorn has/had facial hair?
1 like2. Luna definitely knew or at least had met Starswirl the Bearded because she had complimented Twilight's Starswirl costume saying how much like him it was.
3. Since Luna knew him Celestia would have knew him as well and could have been acquaintances, allies, or even friends. Starswirl would have aided in the defeat of Discord or at least would have been mentioned helping them but wasn't.
Discord had to have been Starswirl at some point before the spell went wrong. Not only did it scramble his body but it scrambled his mind as well so there's a possibility he doesn't fully remember being a unicorn or just doesn't want to go back to being one due to the limitations.
4. Starswirl's hat and cape could have been hiding somethings such as a missing cutie mark or a horn that could of been the result of experimenting with spells before they fully transformed him.
5. Could Starswirl have any family?
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0 likesoh yea I can't believe I forgot about him he was a quirky character. I'd still love to see an equestrian(as in horse/pony-like creature) with facial hair other than donkey scruff
0 likesSo I've searched google and wiki some more and it turns out there are others with facial hair in my little pony such as; Ace Point(mustache/sideburns), Sunburst(goatee), King Sombra(sideburns), Barber Groomsby(mustache), and probably quite a lot more.
0 likesI would love to know how they shave; unicorns can use magic but do earth ponies have to go to the barber or have someone else help them? If not do they use their hooves? Do Pegasuses grown in feathers and/or hair?
I'll explore more than come back to these questions if I can.
Other ponies in the show have had facial hair. And I do like how you brought up the point that Starswirl was close to Celestia and Luna, as Celestia only said "Starswirl did not understand friendship like you did, Twilight". She never mentions him having a lack of friends, just that he didn't understand it. But it's already established canon that Starswirl disappeared before the reign of Discord, so he couldn't have aided in his defeat. I also like how you say the spell could've scrambled his mind, not just his body as most theorists seem to ignore that the uncompleted spell also made the Mane Six forget who they were suppose to be.
1 likeAnd as for your comment about ponies shaving, they probably use their hooves, as hooves work like hands in Equestria, but we can still see that there are barbers in the show, and Pegasi, probably grow with hair/fur, as the only part of them that has feathers is their wings.
Thanks ^_^ and perhaps there can be a multi-universe episode with different twilights, and other characters but perhaps only one Discord. I also wonder if there are any ponies out there that are as naked as a naked mole rat or sphynx cat X3. they would definitely need help making friends just like Thorax did. Or maybe Rarity could design clothes for them to cover up their nudeness.
0 likeswould have been cool if this actually happened!
0 likesYou want proof that starts swirl isn't Discord well on a two-part season finale you get your proof
0 likesOr maybe starswirl is trapped in another dimension with another group of 5 ponys like the mane 6 (let's just call them the pillars) because the pony who brought them together (let's call him mysterious jelous pony. Or maybe something shorter. Stygian. Perfect.) got jealous of them because they defeated villans and they were admired but stygian didn't have any powerful magic so he stole the (...the pillars elements of harmony? But they didn't have the elements and they weren't really friends either... their artifacts, objects importand for them, just like the mane 6 keys, the ones for the chest of twilights castle) pillars artifacts to make copies of them to get stronger magic but the pillars thought he wanted their power for themselves so they didn't want him anymoren and then stygian turned evil (kind of like nightmare moon. We need a villan name for him. He's the Shadowpony now. Yeah, let's take that name) and the pillars had to fight him and they trapped the shadowpony in another dimension but they had to go there too and now they are trapped in another dimension and maybe twilight will try to free them but by doing that she also frees the shadowpony and they have to fight him again but Starlight Glimmer who is good now by the way thinks it's just a misunderstanding and a friendship problem and it actually is but Starswirl doesn't believe her and they try to trap him again but then Twilight realizes that stygian is still in the shadow pony and they get him out of there and they get him back and they ban the Shadow part of the shadow pony in the other dimension again and the friendship problem is solved. Then the pillars go and explore the modern Equestria and everyone is happy. Yay! This is just a theory.
0 likesOk, no, I'm just kidding, I know what is going to happen. 😂 But this was fun!
I think that is a really good theory as it all falls into place.
0 likesThat thought is now invalid now that we know starswirl was imprissoned in limbo for 1000 years and dipcord was still free
0 likeshere's another connection
0 likesIn Twilight's Kingdom pt 2, we see that discord hands celestia some flowers. Now as people say, discord and celestia were dating. That means Discord used to have some good in him. It might NOT have been discord's form NOW. But back then, you never know! Why do you think Celestia knows so much about Starswirl? THEY USED TO DATE!! DUH!! So maybe, just MAYBE... Starswirl and Celastia were together. Then when Starswirl casted that spell, he became Discord. The king of chaos! What do you guys think? Leave a comment and share!
Also Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that Im not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did dissapear... But we couldnt be exactly sure if Discord is actully Star Swirled.
0 likesWell at least you conserve this theory in your heart<3
0 likesNo,because you said in omen video that celestia and Luna came to help the ponys and, you see star swirl in their view. So your completely wrong.
1 likeAloso, out of ALL the main six, who does discord pick on the most? Twilight, his greatest fan
0 likesi think that Discord IS star swirl the bearded because when Twilight said Star's spell it switched the cutie marks of her friends which caused chaos in Equestria like when Discord tried to take over Equestria.
0 likesThis theory has not aged well...
2 likes"After we found the elements of Harmony" Celestia......you have been living by them in you old castle for about decades and you knew it. The only resin for you and your sister to build you old castle right by the ravine where the tree of harmony was because you and your sister found the tree of harmony.........that all happened before you got your cutie mark. Before people you say this is wrong let me tell you there is proof. Read The journal of the two sister! O3O win win
0 likesMaybe Discord/Starswirl turned mad after the transformation into Discord, and after that he took over Equestria, forgetting who he used to be and what he could of been.
0 likesPlease read the journal of the two sisters, brony notion. It would seriously provide some light on this subject, and it does reveal some important details on equestrian history
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Although it has nothing to do with discords past
0 likesYou have some good ideas and theroies but another thing the 2 sisters were only fillies to teenagers when vthe book was placed saying nothing about how he was turned into discord even if that would make a great plot line. He hlped them lurn how to raise the sun and the moon after he nearly lst all of his magic doing it by himself.!
0 likesTheory busted. Star swirl was around during discord being turned to stone, he was there during celestia and Luna's rule.
0 likesActually, Discord ISN'T Starswirl. In the season 7 finale, Sonambula, the strong pony, the masked Matterhorn (?), Starswirl himself and the rest of the pillars actually return to Equestria after being in Limbo for 1,000 years. And so does the pony of shadows (which proves Sombra is not the pony of shadows). And did u know that Celestia is over 3,000 years old?
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The Masked Matterhorn? You mean Mistmane.
0 likesSo, does nobody take the Journal of the Two Sisters as canon? Star Swirl was present when Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks and ascended to the throne.
0 likesGood Theory. But Starswirl Was in the Limbo for 10 centuries.
1 likeHey Brony Notion. Is there a chance you could make a video, and tell us why you ship Fluttercord? I'm curious. (Plus I'm a Fluttercord shipper myself.)
2 likesGood theory. This would make sense. I have never really thought about this.
0 likesI hope Hasbro has Discord admit this or at least become his original self somehow. I have a fanfiction idea.
0 likesI disagree with your thought. Even thought you got good ideas, it's logically impossible. For me, I believe discord, was always discord. And I had Hurd that stAr swirl did die. U need a bit more evidence for your theory
0 likesHmm, I don't think discord was "stuck in limbo" for a millenia.
0 likesAw man! What a stupid coincedence! I was watch that Narnia film with my mom for the first tima a few minutes ago, but we had to pause it because she had to do some errands. We haven't seen the whole dragon part again so this was a really unexpected spoiler!
0 likesOk, when Celestia said he didn't understand friendship like Twilight, doesn't mean Starswirl the Bearded didn't had friends. It said, "Doesn't understand." But oh well.
0 likesIn season four discord was like not like evil anymore but he turned his mind to tirek and helped him gain magic so discord became evil and tirek gave discord a medallion tirek said it represents his gratitude and loyalty to discord tirek lied to discord about that and discord noticed he betrayed his friends but he turned his mind to twilight and gave the medallion to her and said it was a sign of his friendship (discord was telling the truth) and it's the time twilight got her castle and defeated tirek
0 likesThis has become my headcanon. Such a good theory and points
0 likesIn the book the journal of the two sisters star swirl is cellys Magic mentor :/ and the book is owned by MLP FiM I'm pretty sure
1 likecould Starswerld misuse magic accdently turn himself into discord ?
0 likesCelestia never said Starswirl had no friends, only that he did not understand friendship like Twilight does and being the Princess of Friendship she better have a better understanding of friendship than any other pony before her. Also if you take the Journal of the Two sisters into count, Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl, also that Starswirl and 5 other unicorns were in charge of the sun and moon cycles, so it may be safe to say that Clover the Clever was one of the 5 unicorns? I think its safe to say Celestia and Luna were around at the founding of Equestria perhaps not playing a key role seeing in the comics Celestia and Starswirl interact with each other even going dimension hoping together. It's also stated the Starswirl once attempted to raise the sun himself and depleted his magic in the attempt ultimately failing to raise the sun. So seeing Starswirl is weaker than Celestia and Luna, and all three existed at the same time, how would Starswirl ever gain enough power to where it forced two alicorns to use the Elements of harmony to defeat him?
0 likesA new episode came out and proved starswirl wasn’t discord
1 likeI agree with your argument. If you look at Discord and Star Swirl, Discord has the same white as Star Swirl. Look at Discord's eyebrows, and beard. Star Swirl's beard and mane spread to his face, and tail. Also, Discord DOES have a head of a pony, and his pony head is grey. Like Star Swirl's coat color. Coincidence? I think not.
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0 likesSo baisicly a simple rumor of the fans caused disharmony across the internet? Yeah discord probably started the rumor... But seriously unless its on the show is there really a point in arguing over your favorite rumor? I guess its fun to compare ideas but some of the crazier fans will take it to far and start an internet war... Well thats all i had to say. Sayo~nya~ra!
Has anyone tried to actually ASK the inventor if there theories are correct it's not impossible she might tell you something
0 likesAll of that makes sense but I wanna say something twilights frenids didn't remember who they were so starswil didn't and if he did then he would probably tell princess celestia that he was starswirl and if she didn't then he would find a way to.
0 likesDiscord could possibly be created by star swirl by him reading the story
0 likesi think that discord is both because in one of the episodes star swirl is back and gets to live in equestria again but discord still has been roaming around. but it would be cool if it was because discord wasn't in the whole episode.
0 likesthere's just one problem...Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl as he was there mentor
0 likesThis theory was good while it lasted, oh well
2 likesI recently discovered another reason why discord could be star swirl!! So we know from Rainbow Rocks that Star Swirl knew a spell to banish the sirens to another dimension through a portal, right? Well, in mlp series 5 episode 7, we see discord, almost at the end of the episode, use his claw to open up a portal TO ANOTHER DIMENSION!!! the evidence is there, I'm just saying....
0 likes@The Brony Notion are you saying that not even Celestia nor Luna knew ANYTHING about star swirl the bearded's transformation? Also, when discord was reformed, how come he didn't return to his original state? When you explained that the reason of star swirl's "body swicharo" was because of the magic spell, it kinda made sense. But now i'm wondering. If the magic of friendship was able to give the ponies back their cutie marks after they had switched, how come the reformation of discord didn't turn him back to star swirl? He could have done that on purpose, but if not, the theory still makes sense. :) I hope you consider my thoughts on this intresting theory,
0 likes~Kitty
I understand starswirl was a very powerful unicorn but how do u know it was a spell that he cast upon himself?
0 likesWouldn't it be great if this was confirmed and he turned back? It'd be bad in a lot of ways though.. fluttershy likes him most likely because he is a mix of animals, and that's her talent. What if he transformed back, and instead of fluttershy liking him, now twilight does.. after all, she obsesses over starswirl for a while. And I mean just close friend liking, not a relationship or whatever.
0 likesYou said that maybe they didn't realize Discord was Star Swirl because they didn't think the events were connected, but just saying, maybe they thought Discord killed/ captured Star Swirl? This is just a random idea, don't mean to be rude.
0 likesStarswirl the Bearded isn't a popular pony of sorts like an alicorn. He is getting to look more weaker as Starlight Glimmer in Season 5: Episode 24-25 and Season 3 or 4 finale when Twilight breaks the spell of the switched cutie marks. I would say that Starswirl looks to be weak and more unlikely to be god if ever. Does anyone agree to this? Adding Starswirl the Bearded really doesn't glimmer anything like no one did this because many of his spells were possible and I'm sure if a powerful unicorn like Starlight Glimmer and Twilight, the princess of friendship, then Celestia, Luna or even possibly every single unicorn can do these spells.
0 likeshe doesn't have enough evidence that star swirl turned into discord. it never proves or disproves that he did so... technical no body knows for sure that discord is star swirl
0 likeswell with the new ep it gives more ammo to the fact discord is star swirl
0 likesI think mlp would be a much more interesting series if these theories where true.
0 likesWatch the season 7 finale.
1 likeEdit: Wow, so many headcanons are being destroyed in season 7! Applejack's parents, the Shadow Pony, the Starswirl the Bearded = Discord Theory, and some other small ones.
Starswirl cant be discord because the season finale of season 7. Also, didn't Starswirl teach Luna and Celestia??
1 likeI don't believe that star swirl is discord, if he was, wouldn't the writers have made that cannon by now?
0 likesSHE'S RIGHT HE ISN'T STAR SWIRL
1 likeThe episode Where Star Swirl returns just through your theory in the dumpster
0 likesOne problem celestial knew him and was around during her rule in the beginning and discord was in ston at that time
0 likesI know this is an old post but I have to point out that Discord is to Star Swirl bc Celestia said Star Swirl had no friends, neither did Discord (until the mane six.) Discord was maybe looking for friends bc he had none in his past form and is trying to understand it like Twilight? he never knew what it was or felt like so he doesn't know how to act in friendship. that's why he acts so well mean when he's with the mane six (with the exception of Fluttershy bc she understands him)
0 likeswait, if celestia and luna were around for MORE than 1000 years, wouldn't that make them immortal?
0 likesi like how you changed your character. But i don`t your theory is right. I think that star swirl the bearded acutally never had friends so he didn`t understand friendship, he wrote the spell to try and understand friendship, but scince he never had friends, he could not get the spell properly. I think he left that spell, because he new a young pony will perfectify the true spell of friendship.
0 likesThats highly unlikely because the journal of the 2 sisters
0 likesIt seems highly likely that Discord is Star Swirl
0 likesWait a minute in the book the journal of the two sisters star swirl had a brown beard but if he turned into discord how is discord still alive one of star swirls never ending life spells from his library?
0 likesits possible but dosnt sound like the writers will actually do so but until we see starswirls Tome we cant confirm nor deny this theory
0 likesAnd then season 7 decided to end off by proving everything you said in this video wrong
0 likesif discord really is made up of switched parts because just as the cutie mark switching spell SWAPPED the cutie marks the spell would have to switch body parts so the other creatures who took part in the switching would be associated with the hybrid discord and so remembered in history
0 likesIf discord is star swirl, wouldn't celestia have known this and possibly told twighlight?
0 likesI kinda wished starswirl was discord. The whole concept was pretty cool to think about. Too bad....
0 likesStar Swirl the bearded is not Discord. When he and the pillars banished the shadow Pony they got sucked into an alternate universe.
0 likesi find it hard to believe but i think its a nice theory, mind blowing, but cool
0 likesTheBronyNotion I have another theory of why discord and star swirl the bearded are the same,
0 likesCelestia said that star swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship so he didn't have any friends. But in the episode "Keep calm and Flutter on" Discord didn't have any friends too and he didn't want to lose his only friend Fluttershy and then learnt about friendship. Besides! Star swirl's and Discord's beard are similar! So um yeah, this is my theory but I might be wrong...WHO KNOWS? (Only hasbro XD)
Could you please do "who or what is the Spirit of Harmony?" Because discord is the mischievous spirit of disharmony and you did a video about the elements of disharmony so, COULD YOU PLEASE DO IT? PLEASE!!!!
0 likeshey, I invite you on reading the comics, we learn a lot about Star Wirl and the fact he was there when Luna has been banished ^^
0 likesDiscord said "Because we're FRIENDS" to someone (I forgot :3) and that means that Discord and Flutters are FRIENDS nothing else I dont think the writers are gonna let a 19 year old pony and a 1000+ spirit of chaos be together it- its just wrong
0 likesAt 2:07 Celestia says "not even a great unicorn like star swirl the bearded" So that brings a downside to the theory
0 likesEdit : Oh now i know. sorry for the trouble
Star swirl helped celestial during when Luna started to get a bit dark. Theory wrong!
0 likesIf the staff of DHX state that this isn't true, LISTEN TO THEM THEY OWN THE SHOW
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But otherwise, good theory
0 likesI don't honestly think discord is star swirled the bearded.#1 because as far I know from reading all the mlp idw comics star swirled the bearded is dead. And there is a couple pages with discord and star swirled talking to each other in an alternative universe.#2 Since discord was imprisoned in stone for a while it is unlikely that he had the possibility of somehow being in star swirled's body at that time.
0 likesYou are wrong because if you look near the end of the return of the crystal empire part two, Luna holds up a book with star swirls cutie mark on it. Meaning that star swirl must have messed up a spell corrupting him making him turn into the corrupted version of himself: King Sombra!
0 likeshmmmmm... this would make a lot... and i mean a LOT of sense because of discord's beard AND the fact that like starswirled, his pony form is that of a GRAY pony. perhaps the tornado cutie mark on discord has pinpoints of light inside... as most ponies names also reflect their cutie marks... Star, swirled... swirling stars, it makes sense.
0 likesI think starsworld the beard wanted to see celestia grow up so he used a time age spell thingy and it goes wrong but his shadow took all the magic from him and he changed to discord but his shadow is the shadow pony
0 likesThis isn't true because in Shadow Play (Season 7) Starswirl the bearded comes back from a limbo
1 likeThere are people who have "friends" but don't know how exactly to act? I also thought Star Swirled the Bearded was their friends wheb they ruled....
0 likesCheck out conspirapon3's version of starswirl-discord. It has the same premise, but its a slightly different outlook.
0 likesYou and kp are correct because of the multi verse theory made by conspirapony about how all head cannons and stuff are true in different dimensions of the same show so if I were to say that derpy is a leader of equestria who rules over in a age of prosperity a d muffins it would be true In 1 mlp dimension 😃
0 likesOr what if starswirl's friends were not ponies and were just different animals, which would explain his power to transform them
0 likesI completely disagree with discord being star swirl. but BTW
0 likesI♥ Discord
There's evidence in both the show and comics to disprove the theory:
0 likesAnyone else notice that at 1:16 the symbol around Celestia's head is Twilight's cutie mark? I know it's supposed to be her magic, but makes me wonder...
0 likesI have ahypothisis , I believe that Star swirl is the pony version or the great wizard Merlin.I've thought this since I first heard the name Canterlotand his name, Canterlot is clearly Camelot like Manehatten is Manhattan or anyof the other horse named cities. Merlin was a great wizard from somewhere in the british isle, though no one can clearly point where, and he was to help Arthur become a great king, and as leagand says he will reappear when arthur is reborne, in mlp we know there is a arrogent selfish pratty, prince named blueblood, who is Luna and celestias nephew and cadance's cousin, suggesting there is another royal yet to be named, if we look at the show merlin, it too shows arthur as arrogent and pratty, so if a combine of these to, it could show that maybe blueblood is the pony version of arthur, and starswirl didnt get exiled but is just waiting for " arthurs" reincarnate prehaps is it blueblood but since the show focuses on twilight she could be the reincarnate in the movie avalon high arthur was reincarnate into a girl maybe that could have happened here that could help with your other vids like the one saying twilight is clover the clever maybe she was and was simply reincarnate the show never really shows death so I could be wrong I would love to hear what you think about this point of view and love to hear what your opinion on the magic ties with merlin concepts.
0 likesthat couldn't be true because Starswirl teaches Celestia and Luna lots of new spells and Celestia, Luna knew Discord as a baby draconacus already and Discord hid from other ponies so Starswirl is not Discord.
0 likesthis is a good theory.
0 likeshowever- i doubt discord IS starswhirl
I think that in the future discord will transform back into starswirl the bearded
0 likesI guess the recent episodes kill this theory.
1 likeDiscord is not starswirled. In the season 7 finally starswirled was relaesed from LIMBO while banishing The Pony Of Shadows.
0 likesOk discord is not starswirl and anyone can have a beard Most of the villains don’t know friendship and starswirl was stuck in limbo
1 likeYou make an excellent point daHunter3000 but mabye he turned into discord AFTER scorpan went home. Met tirek and was imprisoned in stone
0 likesBut IF Discord IS StarSwirl, what spell turned him from a Unicorn to a draconequus? have we ever seen any spell like this, and then it would turn his whole mind set and basically make his mental age that of a childs....
0 likesI simply say that discord can't be star swirl the bearded, it wouldn't make sence to me.
0 likesHej Brony! The spell that Star Swirls did created CHAOS for the mane six.
1 likeI know this is a old video but in season 7 they found starswirl and some legends but discord was still there. So your theory is wrong.
0 likesHe's not Starswirl, watch the final of season 7. Starswirl was trapped.
0 likesSo, the spirit of chaos took over the world and then was banished for a 1,000 years, making an age of peace. Then, the spirit of chaos was loosed for a short time before being bound again and then put through a process that turns him peaceful. Anyone else notice that they used the Book of Revelation as a model for the timeline of Equestria? From that perspective, the Equestria we know is the promised New Earth. Yes, there are deviations. I'm only saying that they used Revelation's imagery and apparent "timeline" as a starting point for their own stories.
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Also, was Discord banished before the time of the Sun and Moon, or after Celestia and Luna had taken up their diurnal posts? I don't recall that ever being mentioned.
0 likesthere is a thing you where wrong. Princess Celestia said that Star Swril the Bearded didnt understand friendship like Twilight. BUT she didnt say that he didnt had any friedns. hope im not too late to write it :)
0 likesIt's a great theory, but it's been disproven by this past season
0 likesStar Swirl Is actully not Discord but they almost have the same powers like traveling dimensions or making portals and star swirl was not immortal the last spell he encounter was before star swirl died and Scorpan befriended star swirl for support so that means star swirl does have friends like clover the clever was his mentor or a student or apprentice and having a friend is like meeting someone and having a little talk or if you are a kid then you play or if it last long they are friends or as you known his/her for a long time and being someones mentor takes like a wizards apprentice and discord was actully around when Star Swirl was around and the spell "From one to another, another to one. A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled." it was an unfinished spell so that means star swirl died When he made the spell
0 likesWhat if discord is not the only person to know Star Swirl the bearded transformed into discord, what if Celestia knows too? In "keep calm and flutter on" Celestia says that his magic could be used for good (maybe like he used too as star swirled the bearded), and in "magical mystery cure" Celestia clearly states that she felt star swirled the bearded was great at magic, but what if for some reason both of them are keeping it a secret. Also in your other video about mlp's mythological creatures and how discord could have created the chimera-like creature, but what if it was created when star swirled the bearded transformed? If you think about it the chimera is a lion, snake and goat all put together and discord has a goat leg, a snake tail, and a lions paw. the only problem is that there was not a lion, but a tiger so I was wondering what you thought about this?
0 likesBruh, I still don't agree. Although you do make valid points, I have to agree with Kim.
0 likesA thereby to why discord is star swirl the bearded is that star swirl had an unusually long beard and Tail that were both white and discord has a beard and a tuft or white tail.
0 likes"He finds a way to become immortal" Me: IMMORTALS!! IMMORTALS!!! JUST NOOOT FOR LOOOONG FOR LOOOONG!!!! Who else thought that?
0 likesI have a question. I think that Discord is Star Swirl but why did he change his name to discord. It obviously means something. Its not showing up as a misspelled word as most names are. So what does it mean?
0 likesI agree. That is all. Floats away
2 likesi say that Discord was born around the same the that Celestia was born. why do i say this u may ask. well i saw a video about the history of Celestia, Luna, and Discord. she said that Celestia and Luna's father and mother went to war with Discord's mom and dad but the 3 kids didn't know this so when they saw the small strange creature, Discord they asked him what he was doing. he said he was looking for his parents so the 3 decide to go look for moms and dads they find equestria and after that Discord didn't feel at home at equestria being rejected by every pony. then his destiny took over him and plunged equestria into CrAsY WaCkY ok u know what i mean. but this is made up but i do like the theory of it like this comment if u agree
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I liked Ink rose's story too but, I highly doubt the story itself is true though, the part about them being born at around the same time is a good idea
0 likesI love how I (jk) was afraid of Discord. Now, we are family!
0 likesMakes a lot of sense. I did also think that...... And I think he IS star swirl
0 likesI don't think Discord is Star Swirl, because I remember an episode of mlp that showed Celestia's past . . . and she was friends with Discord while he was still a young child but they became enemies because of a war between there species . . . I think it might have been a fan made video on YouTube.
0 likesI'm sorry, I like the theory but in the journal of the two sisters they were mentored by star swirl. So basically...your theory's rong.
0 likesJossed in Fiendship is Magic comic where Discord was in the king's, Tirek's dad's, court.
0 likesI think star swirl was dead and discord was friends with the princesses or had a realashinship with them and they had an accident and then discord turned against them for that cause and tried taking over equestria and if the princesses don't recognize discord it's possible that discord put a spell on them at all.but also a chance you are right that discord is star swirl.
0 likesThanks to the season 7 finale, this theory is officially dead.
0 likesStar Swirl only disappeared to defeat the Shadow Pony in Limbo
0 likesBut what about the comics that show Celestia and Luna being Starswirl's students?
0 likesI feel like star swirl is twilight ' s grandfather.
0 likesthis theory is good. Discord is as magical as Star swirl
0 likesStar swirl= Discord. Discord confirmed
Discord can't be starswirl because of the season 7 finale.
0 likesI disagree on you on season seven episode twenty-five stars swirl a bearded came back from limbo to equestia
0 likes"Inner Glory" is a good reference to this
0 likesThe princess said "even a great powerful UNICORN couldn't do."
0 likesNow i am questioning whether or not the brony notion oc is made with a pony creator
0 likesin the journal of the 2 princesses it states that celestia and luna were friends with starswirl
0 likesalso"he didn't understand friendship like you do." that's why he has a hard time making friends with the other ponies.
0 likesi like the way he calls princess celestia 'celly' LOL
0 likesit says in the comics that starswirl was celests mentor
0 likesmy og theory was that celestia and discord used to be a thing but then she broke his heart so he decided to become the supreme of disharmony as “revenge” or as a way to cope with the pain so then celestia defeated him and claims he was a for but on the inside shes heartbroken
0 likesthis is kinda dumb but whatev
Well, Discord MIGHT be Star Swirl, but your evidence for that is incorrect. Star Swirl had friends. "The Journal of the Two Sisters" says he was friends with Celestia and Luna, and "The Journal of the Two Sisters" is canon because it's in the show and Twilight read a bit out loud. Celestia did say he didn't understand friendship like Twilight does, but that doesn't mean he didn't understand friendship at all. He just didn't understand it as well as Twilight does. And Luna and Celestia were definitely already princesses when they defeated Discord, even if you don't consider "The Journal of the Two Sisters" canon. They already were wearing crowns. But Star Swirl turning into Discord would explain a few things. For example, why would Celestia and Luna not try to defeat Discord right away? They didn't want to hurt their friend and they only used the Elements of Harmony to defeat him when he became too much of a problem. How in the world were Celestia and Luna able to use the Elements of Harmony when Celestia was a bad friend and unkind (she didn't do anything about Luna's suffering), meaning she isn't the Element of Kindness or the Element of Magic (that does mean he magic of friendship, right?), and Luna was probably miserable and later became nightmare moon, meaning she can't be the Element of Laughter or the Element of Loyalty? They represented those elements just fine when they defeated Discord, but afterwards, Luna thought there wasn't anypony left who appreciated her night, and it caused a big change in her. Now I'll have to think of an explanation for WHY Star Swirl turned into Discord, because now I want to use this in my fan fiction.
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Yes but first the two sisters didn't represent all the elements like the mane six with enough bearer there fore he switched his body and there alicorns maybe they were born princesses that I have to say but anything in the comics or games or anything besides the journal of the to sister reallisn't cannon🍩😜
0 likes@Sabina McManes In "The Journal of the Two Sisters" (on page 64, to be more precise), Celestia says that Star Swirl is working on a very complex spell involving cutie marks which she thinks he may never finish. I think it's implied that that's the spell that switched the Mane Six's cutie marks. It wasn't originally intended to have anything to do with the Elements of Harmony. Hmm, perhaps the spell only works right if the caster has an extra special connection with their friends. Before it was finished, it took something like the Elements of Harmony connecting a group of friends for it to affect the friends' cutie marks, so when it was cast by a pony who didn't have a connection like that, it only affected the caster of the spell, which is what caused Star Swirl's transformation into Discord.
0 likesI believe that maybe Discord is a friend of Starswirl
0 likesI can't wait for Kim gloat OML that will be so funny.
0 likesi don't agree with this theory because as we learn in magical mystery cure starswirl was very testy for say with magic i mean messing with cutie marks come on dude but turning into discord would have given him new caotic powers he wouldn't wait to use them and tirek new bolth starswil and discord nd we all know that his attempt to take over ended in about a day when discord came long after
0 likessoooooooo no
Its really sad because I love this theory and because of season 7 its not canon :( I wish it was though
0 likesThe thing is ponies are kept in the dark. Alot the only who knows true events are the princesses, Twilight who was destined to be a princess and her friends who are the keeper of the elements of harmony Equestria's only defense so they need to know the truth.
0 likesBut Celestia says that Discord is a sprit of disharmony and chaos. But StarSwirl the Bearded is a real pony not a sprit. . .
0 likesbut hasbro and the wroters have agreed that the IDW comics are a second teir of continuity making everything in the comics true in the pony world unless it DIRECTLY disagrees with the ACTUAL show and in the period of time that comics 17-20 (the flashbacks within the comics 17-20) are set in is Celestia's riegn of peace, and within one of the flashbacks where Celestia sees the Luna from the alternate world it explains that Celestia has been missing Luna for a long time. What proves this theory wrong is that star swirl is with her in those flashbacks. This after discord is sealed in stone because its in Celestia's reign alone which makes clear that star swirl is not Discord or Sombra.
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Also what does cannon mean?
0 likesMay this theory rest in piece lol
0 likesI can see where your going with this there looks are close and the time line seems close but when he becomes friends with fluttershy he says hes never had a friend maybe the spell wiped his mind im not sure but ither way even though i like starswirl discord will be remerbered as the creature of chaose ps spelling not all good 😉
0 likesIn your time-line in the end of the video, you spelled celestia as celly
0 likesI would have forgive your inaccuracy if you didn't have that smug expression.
1 likeI read in a fan comic that Star Swirl became Sombra.
0 likesSo your saying that discord, the guy who turned the mane 6 into the opposites of them selfs, is beardy
0 likesyour completely forgetting about lunas transformation into nightmare moon.
0 likesStar Swirl the bearded appeared in the background during Princess Luna's down fall into Nightmare Moon
0 likesStar swirl the bearded didn't know friendship like you do : Magical Mystery Cute
0 likesDiscord didn't know friendship
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well I agree with Ilovekimpossible because Celestia and Luna knew star swirl before he disappeared and rose them into power, and then he disappears
0 likesWait, the spirit of disharmony? The mane (hehe get it?) six are the spirits of harmony! 😱 the elements of disharmony must be real!
0 likesI have an idea that could be true Discord is starswirl because maybe Discord is only able to start world was trying a spell like the spells that made Sunset and Twilight evil except there's a little different and then he the power took over him and that's why he became evil and his transformation trance form into Discord
0 likesSeason 7 and the Legends Arc: Hold my milkshake.
0 likesThey both have beards.
0 likesDone.
He's starswirl
This theory was good but the show took a different run
0 likes"Starswirl probably didn't have friends."
0 likesRekt
This video didn't aged well 😂😂
0 likessoo true, on Halloween which means evil stuff, twilight dresses as star swirl but why. If he was discord, it would make sense, if not idk
0 likesIt seems that you have a point, but discord has some friends now like fluttershy or the mane 6. How will that explain it?
0 likesThe princesses were already in power because
0 likes1 they are alicorns so they would be automatically be roalty
2 they had lots of jewelry and they had crowns if they were just rich and they bought all that if im mistaken then there should be at least one jewelry shop but they never show one!
Brony notion is like the mama bear to this theory.
0 likesI’m so sorry you lost your cub :(
Something is wrong here, you couldnt know that butt... starswirl had friends :D
0 likesScorpan the brother of tirek is officaly befriended with him.
Source: Tireks backroundstory, Celestia and Luna told the story
considering the spoiler of season 7 finale with someone releasing it early... that theory is debunked.
0 likesOne of discord's horn does seem like a twisted unicorn horn
0 likesand this theory is finally proven wrong!
2 likesto this I give a simple yay
Now we know that we know that a birth of an Alice in has never happened until flurry heart was born I wonder if celestia and Luna became alicorns by Turing discord into a skull :)
0 likesActually, i have to agree with KP this time, because Tirek heard of Discord and if he heard of Discord, then it's because his threat came after Discord's fist defeat by Princess Celestia and Princess Luna, and Star Swirl the Bearded was there when Tirek attacked, he even befriended Scorpan, and also when Discord was told to capture Tirek they were meeting for the first time, so he had no idea whom he was before, and if he was Star Swirl he would have recognized Scorpan's necklace. Sorry but this time your theory is wrong.
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@Jean Dutra Also, the spell switch Cutie Marks, IT DOES NOT CHANGE APPEARANCE.
0 likes@Jean Dutra And you said that nothing IN THE SHOW can prove the theory wrong and that comics are not canon, i'm sorry, but there's not a straight anwser for that, the creators said that if the comics are canon or not, that's up to fans to decide.
0 likesin Twilight's kingdom it stats that tireks brother befriended starswirl and tirek seem to have know of discord before this
0 likesStar swirl is not discord
1 likeStar swirl was pulled into limbo with the shadow pony and the pillers
This has been disproved in the season 7 finale XD
0 likesSawtooth : starswirl is discord
0 likes*me in 2021 : I'm about to end this changlings whole theory
It does make sense but we all know it's not true.
1 likeI kind of like the Sombra was Discord
0 likesWe've all seen season 7 he was sent to Limbo '-' with his FRIENDS. Stopping a shadow pony. But good theory now you know it was wrong we all learned! :D
0 likesyeah but in the comments we can see that the mentor of the two princesses was starswirl
0 likesBut why would star swirl ever turn evil?
0 likesactually in the book of mlp (this gen) discord was born as his species look it up
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@Dino Tex and discord used to be celly and lunas friend
0 likesCelestia and Luna were alicorns before the rose to power. Does that mean that there are more alicorns?
0 likesThere's only one thing stopping this theory in it's path. The season 7 Final. ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡
0 likesIt would not switch his body parts. It just would never happen in mop
0 likesyes but theres a flaw in your idea writers say and the comics back me up that discord is the last draconicus meaning that there were more of his kind.So there forth STAR SWIRL IS NOT DISCORD in your face
0 likesThere is something. Not in the show, but in the journal of the sisters.
0 likesI used to believe this theory but then the S7 finale happened and now the theory is dead.
0 likesIn Twilight's Kingdom pt 1 Discord turned into a pony. So if he was a pony and he turned into that, but he could turn back to a pony, why wouldn't he?
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I was so happy to see is cutie mark, even if it was just a tornado
0 likesSo the brony notion here's my teroy I spell very badly so discord would be star swirl because in the episode where he gives her the staff and all or other episodes sometimes he would say " I thought we were friends" or " would you be a friend and get this for me" and other crap. so this would mean that he was clearly star swirl cause he wanted the mane six to be his friends just like star swirl who wanted friends but never got any. please reply and tell what u think about my teroy. peace
1 liketbh, this video is what got me to watch kp in the first place.
0 likesI really do think this court is star swirl the bearded but maybe Silesia banished him for a long time because his magic it was too high advance and as explained earlier something about how discords diamention is in the middle of more dimensions so that could mean that he is star swirl the bearded cuz starts world the bearded transported the sirens two different place but if discord one to rule the whole entire question for himself then he would actually want the sirens gone so I and and when discord open the portal in one of them like that I haven't seen it will I sort of thing before I was only seen it once and stuff well is because as well he almost he was going to send Treehugger one of Fluttershy's other friends to another dimension
0 likesI agree that discord is star swirl. Why? Look at both of their beards.
0 likesStar swirl could have MADE discord
0 likesI am obsessed with mop conspiracies
0 likesI am obsessed with mop conspiracies
0 likesyou foal! Starswirl didn't "become" Discord, he "created" Discord.
0 likesStars swirl could be discord because in mlp season 5 episode 7 he does a dimension spell and in equestria girls rainbow rocks twilight says that stars swirl banishes the sirens in to another dimension They both know the same spell i don't think that celestia could do it
0 likesIt is called Starscroll The Bearded, not Star Swirl
0 likesThis theory is definitely clever but outdated...
0 likesThat guy you mentioned from Narnia... (I forgot what ot was called)...wasn't he Gally from The Maze Runner?
0 likesi agree that discord was once star swirl the beard and you make a lot of scents
0 likeswell, it would swap is body? he is a full pony, things would be added, not swapped, so that would definitely be invalid, and he uses the spell, he couldn't figure it out, couldn't. figure. it. out. so he couldn't even use it, could he?
0 likesYou're theory is bunk. Meghan McCarthy said Discord is not Starswirl the Bearded. Literally the people who make the show said NOOOOOOOO.
0 likesYou're theory fails to hold up to any kind of merit on that alone. When the creators say no, then the answer is no. How can you possibly argue otherwise? Not to mention as the previous post has mentioned, that Starswirl was around when Discord was in stone.
On two accounts, your theory was debunked.
Discord's beard and eyebrows match Star Swirl the Bearded.....Just saying
0 likessawtooth: nothing in the show can prove this theory wrong
0 likesme: welp,,,,, that changed XD
If Discord is Star Swirl The Bearded then why is he not a pony. Or some thing like that.
0 likesNot true because some explained to me that when the princess where younger there mum and dad went miss in a war the princess met discord and then found a little town where unicorns
0 likeslived all the unicorns tried raising the sun then celesta did the got taken to the waser unicorns and star sorrel the bearer was the boom ilovekimpossiblealot she rocks
Can you do a back story of him?
0 likesEven i love this teory, the draconequus are know as a race not as individual character o monster
0 likesalso it would cause the most adorable twily moments ever
0 likesBut when starswirl returns from limbo back to equestria it would be mentioned if discord vanished and there is no mention to that starswirl's spell first duplicated him and then turned him into discord, is there?
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And also something I missed in my previous comment is that in season 2 - return of harmony Celestia mentioned that discord ruled before she and Luna did but they knew starswirl at that time.
0 likesmaybe starlight is whole Different and Mysterious pony that we'll never knew
0 likesIn a future episode you said discord lived between realms brakeing this theory apart so star swirl is not discord because star swirl is a pony so theory broke
0 likesso its not reasonable for you to add the magical mystery cure
0 likesWAIT WAIT WAIT!
0 likesI'm new, and from what I just heard, the main villan...
Is just a troll?
btw i heard discord say in season 4: "I'm reformed? Don't you remember?"
0 likesshe said he was a unicorn in the clip. you just disproved your theory
0 likesSorry bro, it isn't true. Watch the final from season 7. It will blo your mind!
2 likesIf it's worth the risk on why does he want to destroy the tree of harmony
0 likesIt’s already proven wrong sadly cuz star swirl appeared in the show R.I.P theory =(
0 likes"..but many don't consider theme canon."
0 likesWell then THEY'RE DUMB. :D
Wait a minute I forgot what episode it was but didn't Star Swirl the bearded was befriended by Chopin
0 likesDiscord is not Star swirl. They are just too different. Star swirl wants to protect equestria and discord wants to rule it and destroy it. ( used to anyway )
0 likesYou must feel really stupid now to be honest with the season 7 finale XD
0 likesBut discord''s name is discord how discord khan be the Star Swirl the Bearded
1 likeIts obvious you've put alot of effort into it, but it is VERY unlikely that discord is star swirl the bearded. It is a childrens cartoon after all, plus , discord doesn't seem to be THAT secretive and even if he was , he seems older than starswirl . . . What I'm trying to say is mabye all these draquoniquie were peacefully living in the evervree(everfree?) forest until some sort of war began between them and pony\ alicorns or something. Anyway, discord was also trapped in stone before tireks brother ' befriended ' a young unicorn and if you don't believe me he's SURPRISED that discord is free. Who said discord never had a friend? Are you sure they didn't mean he was never friends with a pony or someone loyal? Like a REAL friend. Maybe he was betrayed by somebody? We'll really never know , but, I stick next to my opinion that discord is NOT starswirl, it just doesn't feel right that he is. Anyway, its Friday, this is the longest comment I'VE wrote (people write more than me) and I have to watch markiplier, because . . . REASONS!!!
0 likesEating pesas and throwing them already away
0 likesJokes
I bet celestia used the elements of harmony bc discord threw pesas :p
The reason discord I mean stars world the bearded disappeared is because he sent the pony of shows to limbo with the other totems
0 likesthe pony's at 1:07 on the window have a close resemblance to Rarity,FlutterShy,and SweetieBell.
0 likesIn the book THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS CELESTIA AND LUNA BOTH SAY they were taught in someway by STARSWIRLED THE BEAREDED and he was with them when being crowned. The book says nothing about him disappearing. So if you say that he disappeared before the coronation you ae WRONG.. I MAY BE missing so points but if you read the JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS you would clearly be abl to see where I am getting at.
0 likesDiscord isn't him when twi was a princess the pillars were out of the limbo
0 likesWilton one of your videos magic stones or something you said that mostly star swirl the bearded could not not have enough power to do it to make the elements of harmony but if the elements world if this cord with him and the elements were power if he knew that he was making something that powerful he must of been on Celestia and discord so Celestia and Luna side back then so my question is also how did he turn on Celestia and Luna in the first place is it because all the ponies in Equestria respected them or something I'm not quite sure or anything but I'm thinking you should at least try to make a video on why discord turned on Celestia and Luna if he is actually star swirl the bearded well and one time ago this one other YouTube videos I said something about the how the fate of Equestria was back then the discord with travel with them so maybe he wanted not to look like so you disguise himself as a pony and he call himself stars world the bearded so all the other ponies wouldn't laugh in one time he didn't have enough magic so he turned into the monster everybody laughed out of Princess Celestia and Luna tried to defend him but that want to help so then he turned against them and got all even stuff is what I'm guessing who that's a lot of stuff that I had stayed here long time
0 likesI'm watching this after this theory is confirmed false
0 likesI'm watching this after this theory is confirmed false
0 likesyou're wrong cuz in a new episode they showed what happened to starswirl the bearded he is stuck in limbo
0 likesMaybe someone turned him to Discord
0 likeswhen spike had said i think that he meant before they went into rule doesn't mean that they weren't alive.
0 likesThat's kind of a sad story :/
1 likewhere do the sirens come in the timeline? or let me rephrase, how long before discord do they come...?
0 likesWhat about the nightmare moon events...more time should have passed between Luna and celestia's rise and is off being turned to stone a second time
0 likesDiscord isn't Star Swirl. One because Star Swirl selected Luna and Celestia to be princesses of Equestria. Discord came after this. Yes Star is before Celestia and Luna because he was very old when he met them. Also he was good friends with Tia and Luna. It was some time after Star Swirl had made them princesses and must be sometime before Luna was banished that they turned Discord into stone. Star Swirl disappeared after Luna was banished, while discord was still in stone. When he broke free, he showed no way of thinking about Tia or Luna. He had not known Luna was banished at any point, as, Star Swirl had. Therefore, proving wrong that discord isn't Star Swirl. Also, In the episode Luna Eclipsed, Luna suggests that twilight Is Star Swirl, but immediately corrects this when she realizes that he disappeared and recognizes that it's Twilight. She compliments her costume saying how she got it all correctly. You have good evidence, though! Good job trying to prove your point.
0 likesStar Swirl is definitely not Discord. I mean, why would you even want him to be? X3 Discord is way cooler as his own creature. I know that the show can't disprove your theory, but maybe the comics can? Because Discord was around long, long before Starswirl, dating back to when Tirek was a little dude. I recall the show stating that Scorpan befriended Starswirl as an adult bat-monkey-thing, and Discord was around before that. There are some inconsistencies in the show and comics, but I prefer to think that they are two different beings.
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+Loryska Solvis (Lory) Discord was there in Tirek's origin comic.
0 likes+Hasatanel Belial Yeah, which is why he's too old to be Starswirl. Unless Starswirl was immortal. X3
0 likesbut in the comics, Star Swirl was with Celestia when Luna was already banished to the moon.
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The comics aren't necessarily canon. They do get looked over by the creators, but it's up to the reader to determine if they want it to be "canon".
0 likesAnd now this is just really a theory since star swirl really is a unicorn-not discord...
0 likesI don't know how to spell it but discord has a species the rest of his kind must have been oh I dunno "Killed" But I agree with 1 thing discord could've gone back in time to make himself immortal to get revenge but never told anybody. So they just thought he was evil for nothing like every villain has a reason right? So Discord has a species how do you spell it oh I dunno right. But his species might be extinct except for him like before pony's Before dragons before monsters and stuff, Before FRIENDSHIP so how could he have learned it I think his species is like dragons they were born raised to fight and sombody had to lead, I'm not saying they are dragons because he has some features of other animals but this is highly expected, Ignore me I just point out facts and I'm also a theorist I'm not calling you wrong just sharing my thoughts! :D
0 likesNARNIA REFERENCE :D
0 likesEven though Usetess isn't always snobby.
No I cant spell one of my favorite characters names.
I think Starswirl created discord. Anyone heard the song Starswirl's Frankenstein?
0 likesIt didn't say that he had no friends it said that he didn't understand friendship like twilight.
0 likes(sigh) it is always the ones that haven't seen the season 7 finale
0 likesOk I'm sorry for saying this but if the creator of mlp fim clearly says that discord is not starsworld the bearded then it can not be true but still I could see why u made this vid
0 likesthe both have powerful magic
0 likesI'm from the future, DISCORD IS NOT STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED
0 likescelestia and luna have their crown and necklace things so i think the were already in power or recently were
0 likesSTOP SAYING HE'S NOT STAR SWIRL THIS VIDEO IS OUTDATED!!!
1 likeyour onto something and discord and trek are both evil but when you said discord was star swirl the bearded I instantly knew that star swirl the bearded was discord but when he became discord his pearsnality changed
0 likesSadly he is not Discord how Could there be Star Swirl and Discord in the season 7 finale At the same time?
0 likeshonestly, this is so convinceing and well thought out. if i hadn't seen the whole thing already, I would have agreed!
0 likesThat is pretty good theory!
0 likesI don't think Discord is like Star Swirl.
0 likesplus when discord befriends fluttershy he tries to preserve it for as long as possible
0 likesThe journal of the two sisters disprove this theory.
0 likesthat ending
0 likesI love this theory
0 likesCelecistia ( I have no idea how to spell it ) has all the facts x3 like she knew how the day would end XD
0 likeswhat if he swapped other ponys and that's his reason for not having friends just saying
0 likesIs it strange that the timeline reminds my of a flute?
0 likesOh,only THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW and a main character said your statement.seriously,i see close to no evidence in the show.a tad biased
0 likesdiscord has always been disord! he was born a jerkonoquist and a jerkonoquist is a species of rare creatures! duh!
0 likesi think that starswirl is discord but in a different video by ink rose she was talking about the two sisters and the history of equestria but she said that the two sisters found discord as a baby so I
0 likesi'm pretty sure that when starswirl began the to turn into discord he began as a baby and grew up to be who he is now
DISCORD HAS A WHITE BEARD JUST LIKE STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED
0 likesI'm sorry
0 likesSeason 7 ruined all of your science head cannons
In season 5 discord returns. The episode is called make new friends but keep discord or something likr that.
0 likesI mean Discord. Not Churches. God, it's so hard to use swype on my phone!!
0 likesStar Swirl dose not age!Because if Star Swirl is around when Equstrea was founded and he was around when the sisters were in power...then either Star Swirl is unable to age or Discord took over when Equstrea was founded and his rule was about 5 years or less.
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Star Swirl the bearded could be discord if Celly and Luna ruled eqestrea before discord then took it back so star swirl/ discord could be there when tireck came to eqestrea! That is only a idea. I should start a analyst channel.
0 likesCuz in the book the journal of the two sisters celestia and Luna knew star swirl and star swirl was the one who taught the princesses to raise the moon and sun and get their cutie marks
0 likesWe can't go based off what MIGHT be true, we have to go off of rock solid facts and evidence.
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+Carter kaeppel To further your point: one thing we do know is that the journal of the two sisters was released as show canon and specifically mentions that starswirl lost his ability to use magic the day that Luna and Celestia earned their cutie marks (because unicorns who attempted to lower/raise the moon or sun would permanently lose their magic, starswirl was the only one who could resist this... for a time. Once he attempted it on his own, he lost his magic). So he would have cast the spell prior to this event... meaning he didnt become discord... at least not with this theory.
1 likeOh that's right I forgot about that.
0 likesjust one thing i don't belive this because we know that celestia and discord have a history which would mess up your whole theory sorry dude
0 likesI don't think he is Star swirl. This being one of the reasons. http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140523231523/mlp/images/a/aa/Comic_issue_19_page_6.jpg
0 likesIn the comics that is Star swirl looking at Discord. (But Discord in a alternate universe.)
Yet, we never see an alternate universe Star swirl in the comic. But opposite everyone else. However later in a time where Star swirl is no longer around. (Missing/Dead) the two universes collide. Here we see regular Discord and alternate Discord.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140619181056/mlp/images/8/8e/Comic_issue_20_page_11.jpg
So maybe he could be Star swirl considering we never saw an alternate Star swirl. But then at the same time, when Luna became evil, Alternate Luna became good. So if Regular Star swirl turned into Discord wouldn't Alternate Discord turn into some sort of Evil Star swirl? I don't think hes Starswirl. Plus remember that episode "Threes a crowd" With all that Star swirl stuff they were looking at. If he is I don't think he remembers. Plus in the comics, a lot of stuff proves hes much older than Star swirl. Or has he just time traveled a lot and knows more about the past. Which is something Star swirl had the power to do but Twilight used one of those spells and she could only do it once. I don't think they are the same.
Yeah but now it doesn’t work because the only reason star swirl was gone is because he was stuck in limbo
0 likesBut when Discord met Fluttershy wouldn't that turn him into Star Swirl the Bearded?
0 likesstarswail the berded is the tree of harmny and sulesteu and lunu has a therd sitser.
0 likesNope, watch the last episode of season 6 or 7 of mlp. It proved your theory wrong.
0 likesNot to tell you you're all wrong and everything and I have information that you didn't have the time because I'm leaving this comment a lot later than you posted this but that's not true, after reading the diary of the two sisters I discovered that there was never any ruler of equestria until star swirl the bearded asked celestia and luna to be the rulers of equestria, they turned discord to stone after they became princesses not before.
0 likesYeah right but discord is still there win star swirl the bearded comes back
0 likeshow did discord turn into star swirl?
0 likesi feel like the brony notion and ilovekimpossiblealot are fighting in there titles like this
0 likesis not
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THEORY TIME! If there is a SPIRIT of DISharmony, then there COULD be a Spirit of Harmony. But . . . If this were true then there would be the elements of Disharmony 0^0 thoughts?
0 likesStarSworl was trapped in a different world
0 likesStarswirl the bearded.. Wait beeeaaaarrded... THERES ANOTHER STAR SWIRL THAT HAS NO BEARD
0 likesHe also has a beard!
0 likesI agree with this theory
0 likesBUT the new episodes brought star swirl back!!!!
0 likesI like that you compared my little pony to narnia.
0 likesI don't agree with you, but great evidence!
0 likeswell, well, well, looks like someone was wrong
0 likesi knew he wasn't discord
season 7 ending disproved this
0 likes* Laughs in future*
2 likes.... Crackpot theorists. Just watch the show and stop questioning everything!
0 likesI am sorry, but this theory can no longer be true.
0 likeshow does he know what happens in season 4 when this bid was uploaded in 2014????
0 likesand when the twilight read the spell it changed the identities and that caused cauos
0 likesCelly... Really. That's a pretty good nickname
0 likesso Star Swirl the Bearded had no friends, discord said that he had no friends
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that might be why (when he became discord) he decided to create chaos... that's actually really sad D':
0 likesHe is not star swirl... Because in #Ink Rose her video discord was born and eventually tried to take over ponyville so ... READ THE REST
0 likesTHERE IS NO WAY HE CAN BE STAR SWIRL THE BERDED
or maybe star swirl the bearded made discord and then discord banished star swirl the bearded
0 likesWell.... Srry to tell you that he is not, if you watch season7 finally. I thought that he was star swirl too though. 😬
0 likesSeason 7 episode 25 and 26 disproves this whole theory
0 likesI believe that
0 likesthe brony notion is right
I always loved discord
0 likesyou are definitely right. Also I'm writing this while I'm watching this. 😶
0 likesNow adays he can't be because starssirl is now a regular person alongside discord!
1 like#sorry
STAR SWIRL IS THERE AFTER CELESTA AND LUNA REAIN TOO! READ THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS!!
0 likesCelly and Luna rise to power, CELLY😂😂
0 likesAnd then season 7 came out and crushed this theory XD
0 likesIf you would make a video about this is the question: Why does Luna have 2 ponies to be? and celestial does not. Luna is nightmare moon and Luna. But, Celestia is only 1 pony. What made Luna be 2 ponies?
0 likesDiscord Has A Beard Star Swirl Has A Beard. Done
0 likesWait a minute if discord was starswhirl the bearded the when is discord pretended to be a pony wouldn't he have been starswhirl?
0 likesWelll in keep calm in Flutter on Discord does say'Ive never had a real friend before'.I know this is an old video btw
2 likeshey, how 'bout that ending for s7, huh.
1 likeI just noticed... Celestia and Luna are like 1,600 years or so of age.
0 likesDiscord couldn't be star swirl because Discord, Luna and Celestia all met as kids looking for there parents after the alacorn war, witch in fact Discord ' s parents ignighted.😛😜😝🐯🐆
0 likesstar swirl has friends called the pillars
0 likesEustace-useless. Makes sense
0 likesStar swirl returns in season 7 i think
0 likesI'm on kp's side she is my favorite YouTuber
0 likesStarswril was banished to limbo with the pony of shadow and the other pilliars
0 likesYou're both wrong. Clover the Clever is Discord.
0 likesSorry i know This is an old video But Twilight brings starswirl back from limbo in shadow play
0 likesIf the creators say it's not true THEN ITS NOT TRUE
0 likesNow 7 years later it's depunked
1 likewell starsworld had a white beard and eyebrows and so does discord.
1 likeBUT!... discord has wings and starsworld does not have wings?
explain pleas :")
Omg the mention of Uestis, I realized Eye brow face!! From the Maze Runner
0 likesSo Starswirl is Iceking?
0 likesbefore Twilight Sparkle became a princess. Princess Celestia said starswirl was a unicorn
0 likesI found out Discord is not him last month I saw a Ink rose episode Celeste and Luna found him and he got left out and started terrorizing
0 likesps also in the flash back with scorpen starswirl befriended scorpen and in keep calm flutter on discord said "i've never had friends before"
0 likesbut in a video you see discord as a baby he says I'm lost and I cant find my mum(mom) and dad so he isn't star swirl and Celestia and luna knew him and they were friends but tia and luna's parents died when the storm came they were alicorns . starswirl died after 200 years
0 likeswe've got a problem, if discord star swirl the bearded then he'd also be twilight, then twilight would be discord, which means FlutterShy was talking to twilight all along, which leads to a lot of thing O.O magic and science in confusing, this is why u shouldn't add doctor who with my little pony. my head is just confused witht this happening, one of the things in this cycle has to be FAULSE!
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and i think THIS video is false because if star swirls the beard didn't want friend then why does he want to KNOW, especially if he wants to rule Ponyvile/Aqurestia with chaos.
0 likesTHIS IS OFFICIALLY OUT DATED
0 likesWait until the Season 7 finale.
0 likesdude you can't argue with real-life facts...
0 likesIs Discord an Alicorn?
0 likesTime to use the dictionary to find out if you used the right too in the title.
0 likesHe had friends like 8 of them
1 likeILoveKimPossiblelot is AWESOME!I LOVE KP
0 likesIt’s wrong now with the season 7 finale. Watch it!
0 likesi know you use pony creator but how do you put like pictures and put your pony [i think] on a different page i ask because i want to be a pony analyzer [sorry if misspelled]
0 likesWait till season 7 and all this is a useless theory that is easy to debunk
0 likesin the comics tia luna and star swirl are friend and tia rule over equestria at this moment.
0 likesMe watching in 2020:Oh help me
1 likeIf the video clip at 2:48 shows Celestia and Luna before they rose into power then why do they have their crowns? :p
0 likesi agree that is marvelous proof , but watch season eight , please
0 likesRIP Discord is Star Swirl Theory died in 2017
0 likesKilled bye the Season 7 finally
Welp, KP wins this one.
0 likesYOUR A FREAKIN GENIUS
0 likesNo he isn't, star swirl episode is out. MUWAHAHAHAH deal with it.
0 likesWAIT WAIT!!!! BUT STARSWIRLED WAS A STUDENT OF CELESTIA'S!!!! how do I know this? BECAUSE I AM AWESOME.... as it suggestes in my title
0 likesNotion I agree with most of you theories but starswirl is NOT DISCORD
0 likesSo, this theory is disproved now.
0 likesYou do have a point
0 likesTwo words: Shadow Play!
0 likesIn season 7 star swirl the bearded comes back
0 likesWhy season seven why did you have to crush this great theory
1 likeDISCORD AND STARSWIRL ARE NOT RELATED! WATCH THE SEASON 7 FINALE!!!!!
0 likesLook at the season 7 finale dude unless you want this
0 likesStar swirl was in limbo
0 likesLike you said discord is the only creature that does have magic and is not a pony.Wait there were some creatures that had magic and were not ponies.Those creatures from the everfree forest.like the uh i dont remember what it is called.Imean that kind of chicken and dragon or snake .... whatever it is .... had magic that could turn others into stone but why only that kind of spell?Is it just a different kind of magic or.... well .... huh that's it but what we were talking about was if discord was star swirl the bearded.and yeah that makes sence.
0 likesIf you remember the episode keep calm and flutter on discord said that fluttershy was his first true friend.Also the spell twilight fixed was writen by star swirl the bearded.And because he had no friends the spell had no elements to change (they weren't found by celestia and luna yet).That means that he had caused the spell on himself so that's it.That explains his magic too.sorry if i have made some mistakes on my comment....i am greek.
THEN WHY IS HE EVIL
0 likesIt seems like she's only A teen or kid don't go to harsh on the person
0 likesSO DISCORD IS KINDA LIKE THE ICE KING FROM AT?
0 likesAnd now this theory has been proven in true do to the finale of season 7
0 likesnot to be rude if discord was before the princesses then he can't be star swirls read mlp the journal of the 2 sisters and see star swirls made them princess
0 likesstar swirl can't be discord go look at the back story of celestia and luna's back story in ink rose channel
0 likesit says that discord as a BABY was sperated with his mum and dad when a war started between the alicorns and darkness? yeah so if you don't understand me ink rose back story
it never said Star had no friends. It just pointed out he didnt UNDERSTAND friendship. (I just wanted to point this out i am still a big fan of urs plz dont be affended by this if i happened to affend u im sorry)
0 likesI totally agree that when star swirl had no friends and even he has no friends eather so yep
0 likesor maybe the ponies thought discord got rid of star swirl the bearded
0 likesHello a few years later Starswirl is released with the Shadow pony and the other pillars and discord is still there and Starswirl is a pony
0 likescan you make another collab with kim
0 likesMegan McCarthy is a vine actress.
0 likesDiscord isn’t starswirl in season eight we meet starswirl and the pillers
0 likesBefore bronynotion had a good mic
0 likesrember that epsidose when discord dress up as star swirl the bearded so he can trick twilight . hey that's true
0 likesCould you please do a new theory about the season 7 finale?!?!?!
0 likesdiscord is not star swirl because in the comics discord and star swirl are seen in the same seen so discord is not star swirl
0 likesFor NARNIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (Rides on Tiwlight)
0 likesBut the shadow monster and swirl star was in epi soda and therie false
1 likeStar towards the future content been discovered Country Springs to limbo
0 likesUHU I JUST LOVEEE!!!!! YOUR THEORIES
0 likesThey even have the same facial hair!!!!!
0 likesHow do I get known within the Brony fandom?
0 likesDiscord Isn't Star Swirl The Beared
0 likesand then shadow play became a thing
0 likesyou forgot one dirscord had no friends asn swirl
0 likesi hate to brake it to you but..
0 likesseason 7 finale 2017, starswirl lives.
but, great theory i really like it
now i'm thinking about it, this will be sayd alot, soo good luck handle it all
SPOILER ALERT!!! The Season 7 Finale has debunked this theory because Star Swirl appeared in it during the PRESENT day!
0 likesThis is the feaucher and he became good:-)
0 likesJust give in and admit defeat. Star swirl is not discord its like saying you are a worm it just makes no sense. No offence.
0 likesdiscord was friends with celestia and luna when tey were fillys
0 likesWho else here thinks Discord is Mae Hatter!!! ( I ♡ LOVE mad hatter )
0 likesThere might be an episode about discord since he doesn't have a fiendship is magic background story comic
0 likesYeah, about the show not disproving it.
0 likesYeah I guess but does he have magic why are you discouraged guarding her Theory home
0 likesUmm excuse me for being critical but the spell did not change there physical appearance but only it changes what they did like a mental change so if he did use this spell it would not swap his body but only make him the opposite like how discord made then bad but then he would be like him but he would not look like discord but acted like him and besides only dark magic possesses power to change a physical appearance
0 likesHe is the oppeset not in power but in stuff I think discord is just a failed creation
0 likesactually wasnT starswirl the princesses mentor?
0 likeshmm..I agree! I sees that happening .
0 likesOkay so I prepared to answer every little question of mlp about this, you see first off all I know Kim is wrong A LITTLE, first don't make proof from the voicer, it's not making sense if you do, second BRONY NOTION has been wrong ALL THE TIME, well not all the time, but still a little bit wrong, okay first off all we know what's his personality, heroic even from the comic or from the cartoon, let's forget about the comic, we are going to 2 things, the wikipedia, and the cartoon, we know starswirl the bearded is making a spell that almmost likely trying to do something with the elements, from it's spell its sound like he wants to make something more powerful, and it looks like he wants to make himself to be powerful, so we continued, we are in s4 ep 1 where Luna and Celestia found The elements, THEY ARE THE ONE FOUND IT, for banishing discord, but why we do know it wasn't before, well, take a look of Sombra, the elements didn't used, it means they haven't found it, but still discord is their 2nd monster that they defeated, but the elements were found by them, we still asking, if the first one that found the elements is Celetia and Luna not him , it means that we are here in the bottom of the pit, it means the elements of harmony is already found after the incident, and it means StarSwirl thhe beardedmade the testing thingy after they defeted him, we know ONE THING, Discord isn't StarSwirl the bearded, well question still come, what if Discord is the one that found the elements first, I mean what happened if StarSwirl the bearded is the one found it first, the ANSWER is impossible, why?, if he dd that means discord is stupid, he is twice much more smarter then Twilight fooling things up, if StarSwirl the bearded took the elements first then it means he changed and then if he turned to be Discord he must hide tthe elements to insuredd his freedom, but still why he didn't, The answer is this , he can't get it, if he already knew the elements , and ask me, why can't he get it, then if ask back why his magic plantera thingy attacked the tree of harmony after it ran out of magic, it because he can't approach it, if he approached it, he is in danger, if he tried to take the elements, he is in danger, still asking for evidence, we are going to tthe comics, because of it, we found STARSWIRL THE BEARDED IS still a pony after Lulu banished, and yeah start arguing everyone
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And english isnt my native language aka im not good at english
0 likesNot till you read the Journal of the Two Sisters and it is said that Star Swirl asking the two to be princesses after Clover the Clever and the ponies comings together. Meaning that Discord turing to stone was after they were in power as princesses.http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Friendship_is_Magic_Wiki:Workshop/The_Journal_of_the_Two_Sisters
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@WildKamots You’re right, but I don’t think that disproves this theory. It just changes the timeline a bit. The journal says that Luna and Celestia were acquainted with Starswirl, and actually even the show itself hints at it, but he could still disappear and then reappear as Discord without the princesses noticing it’s him.
0 likesIt’s been a while since I’ve read the journal, but from what I remember, [spoilers ahead, sort of?] Starswirl experiments with time seplls a lot. Once, after successfully traveling through time, Celestia and Luna note that his beard changed colors from brown to gray. The spell changed his appearance. So what if one of his time spells later on went horribly wrong and turned him into Discord? Maybe he doesn’t even remember who he once used to be.
It was also star that helped the princesses build their home in the forest so that means that he is around and still in touch with them, so you would think that they would know if he did turn into discord or they know and just won't say it for some reason. The princesses seem to view Discord negative unlike they do star. They became princesses after the clover the clever when all ponies agreed to have one ruler or in this case two, which star was still apart of their lives than. So in the vid it said discord was banished before they were princesses so that wouldn't make sense once star is the one that helped put them into power so he couldn't have been Discord.
0 likesLike la Luna said in season seven two separate beings
0 likesWell if discord Worcester store is there it wouldn't make sense because in the episode where it shows a hearts heart warming mean it would prove in the episode it shows that the unicorns had to raise the sun which means the Alcorns or gone so STM and I wouldn't go on looking for their parents mean while to come along discord it was still just a baby is locked I 380 of course stars world the bearded is there so it wouldn't make sense because discord was still small because yeah so here's my three bye
0 likesi guess that makes semse but then why did he become evil
0 likesU and kim possible are my favorite Broncs
0 likesmaybe he lost his memory
0 likesif you take. a look at spike you're completely RONG
0 likesBut on one episode discord heard fluttershy say I'm not going to be ur friend now that triggered something alright then discord said u were my friend, but I've never had a friend before. So now u have it a clue to star swirl the bearded.
0 likesListen Sawtooth, I love your videos and all but this is EASY disproven.
0 likesWelp, KP is pissed. *covers face*
0 likesAnd season 7 destroys this theory
0 likesI love Narnia every single movie
0 likesso going to dis harmony in 0:56 to 1:00 celestia say "disharmony" and in a video this guy says they don't exist but the princess saying that might give clues of the existence of the elements of disharmony
0 likesso going to dis harmony in 0:56 to 1:00 celestia say "disharmony" and in a video this guy says they don't exist but the princess saying that might give clues of the existence of the elements of disharmony
0 likesDid You Spell Celestia Wrong With Celly? XD Funny I Saw That +The Brony Nation
0 likesbut.. star swirl does not do chaos like discord.
0 likesIf discord was star swirl the beared why didn't he cause after he transforms into discord
0 likesthis video didnt age well
0 likesnot true in twilight'sCastle Part1 discord was turned to stone and star swirl is there
0 likesGuess your theory got SMASHED
0 likesThey both have white beards .I agree.
0 likesSorry but this theory is wrong because of season 7 finale. :3
1 likeDiscord is not star swelled bearded
0 likesDEBUNKED Lmao
1 like2019 sorry bud but DISCORD IS DISCORD STARSWIRL IS STARSWIRL got it
0 likeshey lauren make brony watch the season finale
0 likesI love this..but..On mlps facebook page there was a pic for the mlp movie that'll be out in 2017 I think..? it had star swirl as a pony on it so.. .-.
0 likesWatching this after season 7 finale shadow play
0 likeswell im not that knowledgeable with age was star swirl the bearded the same age as princess luna and celestia then this can be proven discord IS NOT starswril because discord was with luna and tia when they where little,
0 likesI think the answere to the future is in daddy discord
0 likesSeason 7: NOoOo! No! Oh god please no! No! No! Noooooooooo!
0 likesyou could be right but I think discord would have told somepony by know
0 likesSomething with your timeline doesn't add up. What about nightmare moon? When does she come in?
0 likesDiscord and starswirl both have white hair to. But sorry dude I'm just not with you on this Theory. I wish I could explain why but it would be like an hour long message
0 likesBecause the three ponies have liked beard and all they know magic and how to say no magical unicorns I get the Pegasus part is like a fly with unicorns are most important thing and how does Twilight have leaves I know she did everything for a friend and that's really nice but but how do you change because she could feel the magic of friendship how was the rainbow so many times even when they defeated this word even the first episode there a rainbow and then when they defeated dyrdek remember and it's me your little sister Daniella because all the time with the friendship this is an important question I'd get that they each oven element but how is there a rainbow coming these questions are very important for me OK
0 likesThis can relate the discord has no friends same for star discord does not understand friendship so doesent stars
0 likesMAYBE evil shadows from luna tured him into discord
0 likesboom you where wrong it said starwill didn't understand freindship but he had friends as celestial and Luna and clover the clever friends meaning he but element of harmony didn't exsiset and but that made them appear in land but it took all of star swirl engery he does enchant gems. and he died to make the element of harmony my theory makes a little snece
0 likesi say it swapped him and animals around him
0 likesI believe that star swirl the bearded is discord because star swirl disappeared so there is proof that discord is star swirl the bearded.😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
0 likesKimpossible was corrected from her opinion #kimpossible
0 likesAnother thing is they both have beards
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Yeah! Too bad this theory doesn't work with recent canon :(
1 likeYes it can be proven
0 likesBro i could proved you wrong, I could do a video against this vid.
1 likei someday want to do a channel like yours (brony notion)can u tell me some secrets about how to make them awesome
0 likeslol i watch this after mlp has ended
1 likealso remeber discord said to fluttershy that he had NEVER had friends and niether had star swirl?
0 likesUmm... The comics are cannon... And even if they aren't the journal of the two sisters disproves this too.
0 likesAlso, discord is not evil Celestia he is funny! And furthermore he was making ur little equestria exciting
0 likesDidn't Star Swirl made friends with the other ponies in the play then before being frozen Star Swirl magic save them all and magic of friendship was born
0 likesI'm going to have to disagree with u it doesn't make why discord is star swirl the bearded
0 likes4:34 lol celly 😂
0 likesDiscord was BORN Drachonici!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesso true star swirl didnt know friend ship for all you seson 7 fans your welcome
0 likesHow long is a pony life spans?
0 likesbut starswirl was the one who put celestia in charge and she was freinds with starswirl
0 likesYES! NARNIA REFERENCE!
0 likesSadly he isn't 😂
0 likesDiscord is not star swirl the bearded in my little pony friend ship is magic the last 2 episodes of the series you see what Star swirl looks like
0 likesi came from the future : this teory is outdated
0 likesu guys might be having a war of who's right and wrong XD
0 likesI really think that you were right and stuff about the song but it does can can can get confusing but my question is was clover the clever as smart as Twilight he used to put that on your next video please whoever you really are
0 likeswait if starswirl is discord then when discord became friends with fluttershy and the mane6 then why didnt he turn back to his orginal form
0 likesYou know what the croinicals of narnia are
1 likeReplies (1)
Grew up with them!
0 likesWatch the video alicorn before alicorn to proof that celestia didn't turn twilight to an alicorn
0 likesI guess Kim was right
0 likesBringing Narnia into this?
0 likesStarswirl and discord both have Beard's that are similar to each other so their the same PONY🙇😿
0 likesDIS-SWIRL I BELEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesBut remember starswirl asked celestia and Luna to rule over equestria
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I am also stil confused by fluttercord i mean fluttershy is a young adult and discord is more than 1000 years old
0 likesmakes a lot of sense...
0 likes#starswirlthediscord
0 likesAgain season 7 profes Him wrong (I think)
0 likesdidint discord trurn in to starswarld the berdeds famis candal wen he had the blow flow ?
0 likes:) do you know why im smilling?
0 likesUgh. Luna is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better.
1 likeThey said that he has a head of a pony
0 likesI just think it's stupid. Fighting over if discord is blah blah blah whatever his name is is just stupid. :|
0 likesNO HE ISNT WATCH THE SEASON 7 FINALLY
0 likesOk now I'm confused TO MENY THEORIES! (6~9)
1 likeThis is so interesting 🤯😁🌈🦄🤩⚡️
0 likesSeems legit.😄
0 likesdiscord betrays them
0 likesNewsflash: he's not.
0 likesIf you read the comic books star swirl the bieaded haded tow friend celestia and Luna that where friend so he cold have swap there cute marks
0 likesBearded fighting sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry that goes with the 1 sentens
0 likes... bbbuuuuttt starswirl is the one who MADE celestial and Luna rulers😏
0 likestry ink roses ep 1 in her history of equestria series.
0 likesThe beginning I thought you were talking to me in person because I was wearing headphones
0 likes•Season 7 comes out•
0 likesWelp......
R.I.P BRONY NOTION 2k18
I like it but starswirl is the princesses mentor
0 likesWhy must you bring narnia into this....
0 likesrecent episodes shatter this theory
0 likesget it he's a pear head
0 likesstarswirl befriends tireks's BROTHER
0 likesthis doesint make sence if discord is star swirl the bearded why did he turn evil and take over equestria when he changed and did celly and luna know he was star swirl
0 likesProven wrong in season 7 finale so Not.
0 likeswhy is an argument like even taking place it's pointless
0 likesAnd i mean flip that idea i know its out dated i mean in a new episode hes consider a spirit and if he ever acts to normal hell DISAPPEAR
0 likes* watches end of season 7* facepalm
0 likesProof this video is fake:
0 likesAfter Discords magic was trapped in grogars bell we see star swirl fighting tirek with magic! But discords magic is already gone
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This video is not fake it’s just his theory and it was made 7 years ago 🤦🏼♀️
3 likesBish this video was made 7 year ago how are PEOPLE SO BLINDDD
0 likesCeletai said friend ship not friend because of this nothing would happen to star swirl wait the movie it pro teller the shrine were banished and star swill would of died this is after the spell he created it not tested it
0 likesWelp, this has been disproven. coughs I get it, cough its old. cough
0 likesacaley the seasons arnt years it was comfermd that season 3 was the end of one year besides think of the twins pumkin cake and poud cake they wer born in season 2 and wer at season 7 so they wold be 6 and they cant be six despite them still have ther baby form cant talk and in that flash back with sweetebelles 5 birthday she was in an older form so if i had to gess they are 2 or 3 so you said that he was relesd a year later that is not acuat for the show it was probly about a couple of mounths hope this helpd it was kind of buging me
0 likesbut discord isn't a unicorn
0 likesStar is not discord bc star died before discord and why would destroy everyone ?
0 likesp.s star swirl the bearded is very old.
0 likesRIP this theory
0 likesand in my daddy discord discords daughter is a pony
0 likeshey if u watch episode one it says luna is a unicorn is that weird cuz it says that the unicorn would not lower the moon not alicorn???
0 likesThis video did not age well
0 likesYou can't argue with the creators :l
1 likeSo if discord was starwoldsabierded or somthing😎😎 then fluttershy is pertacting him
0 likeswhen you said is body got mixed up I believe you
0 likesSorry just stupid the two alicron went on adventure with him when they wear kids they found him arter there perents died Luna was 5 and Celeste was 10 discord was about the same age as Luna he did not come in the catle cause his race and all the pony had a war so they became ruler and stop playing with discord he played pranks and they became more dangerous Luna Celeste we're raise by the wiz and the first element of harmony all the alicorn died fighting the darkness
0 likesSeason 7 destroy this theory ;-;
0 likesI think Celestia Luna to Icon parent but they were born Alicorn
0 likesthis is a new process old cute mark 📑 her new cute mark is thus 📖
1 likeHAH! Equestria girls screwed that up
0 likes(Ps: the sequel:p
STAR SWIRL BEFRIENDED TIRECKS BROTHER
1 likenope this is disproven now since starswirl was apparently trapped in limbo for over 1000 years
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starswirl is the one pony who makes the lore of celestia and luna complicated
0 likesalso cadence is kinda confusing too
also "the mark of one's destiny"
0 likesUm brony discord isnt starswirl bc we saw him in season 7
0 likesno everything out of senpia I mean kp's mouth is true
0 likesOr an even better explanation!
2 likesStar Swirl probably died.
And Discord took advantage of it.
Problem solved.
But it says in the equestria girls it says he was the princesses teacher
0 likeshave even read the journal of the two sisters
0 likesIf you do not under stand what dark magic is its in the forbidden archives that only princesses can read OH JUST ForGET IT GO WACTH INK ROSE!!!!!
0 likesAnd also when fluttershy said if this I'll be you're friend discord gasped cause he had no friend's before like star swirl!!!!!!?.
1 likeIt's almost like knew!!!!!!?.
S7 killed the theory.
0 likesWOW...... i 've never thought about it that way............
0 likesI Agree💩💖
0 likesYou gotta good point
0 likeslol you were wrong. bet Kim's happy
0 likesI'm watching this in 2018 so this is debunked sorry there are knew episodes and one shows that star swirl the bearded is kickoff alive but you'll see
0 likesRead the Journal of the two sisters
0 likesBut you know that discord never knew about friendship so hè and starwill abeared are connectie cause hè did also nog know about friendship !!!
0 likes😮it works!
0 likesmistake: i meant discord is not
0 likesand ink rose explains it and they are naturle alicorns
0 likesI agree!
0 likesHe's totaly not star swirl.... Discords the god of chaos and star swirl would say something before he got turned to stone u bum. PS: I subscribed only to prove ur vids WRONG.
0 likesI agree with brony
0 likesi got word about the season 7 fanlli its something to do with starswirl and its calld shadow play
0 likes''shadow''
think about who that mite be
and i know its going to comferm hes not discord
im so ecsited
It is not very likely that star swirl is discord because luna and celestia had found him when searching for their parents. And when they found some Ponies discord decides to stay hidden due to his parent being the cause of the chaos in the first place. While there the pony leaders held a meeting with star swirl there so if star swirl and discord both existed at the same time then how could discord possibly be star swirl. That's where I'm confused in this vid because of that so how can u possibly explain the supposedly same pony/person existing at the same time and as the other, hmmm? Hahhaahha this comment was really just made for fun but if u could answer these questions that would be EPIC!!😜😎😏👍🏻
0 likesalso the beards look that same
0 likesFluttercord I mean disshy I mean discord ≠ stardust or whatever his name is starswirl because they were in an episode together!!!!!!!
0 likesIt's suposud to say star swirl the berde and was fiting with twiliht
0 likesWhelp season 7 ending exist now so
0 likesYour wrong so discord is not starswirl is just like cement that turned into a wall
Laughs in 2020
0 likesmaybe STAR SWIRL TURNED EVIL AND DISCORD IS THE RESULT11111
0 likesit showed many times star swriled as a pony with a bread
0 likesand at 2:07 she said a great UNICORN not a messed up ugly looking dragon
Sorry...but im from 2019 and your theory is debunked and you give up
0 likesStar swirl and the other pillers dude
0 likesLols you wrong mate
0 likesIt’s official proof
I found a photo I guess some other people believe in your theory
0 likesyears later
0 likesTHONK AGAIN FOOL
NARNIA I LOVE IT
0 likesDebunked by season 7
0 likesI think you just seriously pissed off KP there
0 likeswhat about the canterlot a library there was a section made by star swirl the bearded.
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and if you was discord in the time in between one the rest of canterlot was made and when he built that part of the library I don't think it would still be there
0 likesstarswerl is not discord because tea an lulu knew starswerl
0 likesI am from the very far future,AND boy we're you wrong!
0 likesAnd then shadow play happened
0 likesDiskorb wold make a grayt star swirl the birded
0 likesCelly and Luna, lol
0 likesHe disappeared because he probably ashamed and jealous
0 likesHaha the jokes on you!
0 likesYou are wrong stars will the bearded is not discord because I have proof Celestia and Luna when they were Phillies traveled with discord he was a little filly haha I had proof and that is why you are wrong ok
0 likes2017: wow that threy died
0 likesAnd now... bam, proven wrong.
0 likesShe was so wrong
0 likesit's useless not Eustis
0 likesWasn't discord stone????????😮😮?
0 likesWelp turns out you’re wrong
0 likesso are they like 1000 years old
0 likesshe sed someone like star swerl the beaded
0 likesYou put celly on the time line lol :) just now realized that even though I've watched this like five times now...
0 likesCelestia is over 9,000! XD
0 likesSorry but your wrong stat swirl the herded was firing with twiliht but discord was blue
0 likescoughs NIGHTMARE MOON YOU FORGOT NIGHTMARE MOON
0 likesOMG Ustus is Gally
0 likesThe comics disprove this but this video is old and I'm lazy
0 likesCelly and Luna? Really?
0 likesStar swirl is actualy not Discord see season 7
0 likesWhy would star swirl take over eqestra (sorry I cannot spell that
0 likesdiscord is grogar!
0 likesI'm future so yeah. I feel bad XD
0 likesTHATS IT! I CANT DO IT! I CANT! I DONT LIKE PONY CREATOR! PLEEEEAAAASE NO PONY CREATOR
0 likesmeh you Forget something in timeline LUNA SENT TO MOOOOOOOOON
0 likesILove was right.
0 likesShadow play debunks your theory
0 likesWhat if kim was watching this
0 likesThis is proved wrong is shadow play parts 1 and 2
0 likesI love narnia
0 likesI am saying that in inkroses video it said that when luna and salesta were kids they were bffs
0 likesWith discord
I love narnia
0 likesBUT WHAT ABOUT SEASON 7
0 likesI found out the truth that clover the clever is not twilight sparkle. If you want to find out how then please leave a comment and I will respond but I also will need to talk to you privately and it is best if you tell me if you have a Facebook page so I can respond to this so please contact me and I will be able to tell you.
0 likesWhat maybe if star swirl when he did the spell what happens is star swirl is discord now . I will tell you why do remember that princes Tia she said star swirl never had .friends I think that what she and he nacre knowed friendship. Ok now discord or sunset shimmer first I want to tell you sunset shimmer she said that she doesn't know the first things about friendship . Ok NOW discord he has a beard like star swirl . And his fear or skin is gray like star light and he is powerful . Look I may sound dumb but I hope this connects to if star light is discord. Bro hoove hahahah
0 likesplease don't use pony generator
0 likesSeason 7 debunked you
0 likesThey have the same eye brows
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+Traci Lyn Thomas Gasp could it be?
0 likesI just got a sausage dog (dachshund) today. Her name is Button :3
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...and what does that have to do with this video?
0 likes@Mashed Potatoes idk i was just exited XD
0 likesxD okay
0 likesWhy are people saying take his old form his old is well his old form is dead its been 1000 year maybe more!
0 likesThis is cool
0 likesWelp, now u have the answer!
0 likesAlso, the video you made is horrible compared to hers. She keeps it interesting.
0 likesnope it is fiscally not possible, please why this video real
0 likesYou must be kidding me!!!!!!
0 likesDude how old is LUNA?
0 likesKing Sombra???
0 likesMegan is on vine
0 likes3:41 YES NARNIAAA- cough yea..yay..
0 likesto much to think about!
0 likesNarnia is a movie thats about jesus✝✝✝
0 likeshe wasnt season 4 said so
0 likesIt you'll ever watch the season 7 final this whole thing just see it's not true and you'll be I like no my whole theare is wrong me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you:😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
1 likei highly disagry what if starswirl did have frends and it didint to him into discord and besides discord was born a dragonquas if he was starswirl he wod have his senses and not be incane and he wode not try to take over adquestria in know starswirl wont do that why bechuse hes a rezonable pony he knows better so try to explane those things
0 likeswhat about the real discord? 😔🙁😓😦😩😰😱👽💀☻☹👀👅
0 likesdiscord is a SPIRIT OF CHAOS , NOT A CORRUPTED UNICORN , AND THE SPELL WAS A CUTIE MARK CHANGING SPELL , NOT BODY CHANGING , AND STAR SWIRL MIGTH ME GOOD WITH SPELLS BUT ! HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE HIM SELF IMMORTAL OR AS POWERFUL AS DICORD IS TO MAKE THINGS APPER OF MID AIR AND SWIRL'S NAME HAS CLEVER IN IT , HE WOULDNT MAKE SUCH CHAOS FOR NO REASON
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+Danny Raccon ALSO IF IT WAS SWIRL HE WOULD HAVE A FRIEND SCORPAN FOR S4 FINNALE BUT DISCORD DOESNT
0 likesI have a theory maybe he was using the elements of disharmony that changed him into the monster, that could explain his great powers and the spell was a desperate attempt to change the elements but because of his lack of friends he couldn't complete it
0 likes@angelofice9 the elements of disharmony aren't canon .... so still i like discord being a spirit originally
0 likesI love those movies
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Not mlp
0 likesDo u know what star swirled's cutie mark is cause I don't can u make a video about it please and tell me when u do if u do
0 likesI think star swirl is dis cord
0 likesI vote for Donald Trump cause I love him!
0 likesAre you trying to beat ILovekimpossiblealot are what
0 likesamazing
0 likes#wastedseason7finale
0 likeshe reforms
0 likesthis is not a good theory because star swirl was sent to limbo
0 likesReplies (1)
This video was made before that episode
1 likeThe head color is the same!
0 likesWhat about seaaon 9? Star Swirl and Discord side by side!
0 likesReplies (2)
This video was made 7 years ago 🤦🏼♀️
2 likes@Maddie exactly 🤦🏽♂️
2 likesWatch finale to season seven
0 likesif you watch ink rose 98 she says discord is just a caose bringer and you should watch her video celestia, luna and the history of equestreia video
0 likesSorry season seven ruins this theory
0 likesSorry past sawtooth but that’s debunked
1 likeyeah Did you noice the EYEBROWS and BEARD!!!!
0 likeshint hint
Why did I get this in my reccomend XD
0 likesBut he can't be star swerl because in an epesod online I say that that him and some of offer ponys and I the pony of shadows so he can't be discord and that's my proof 🎭
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We're trapped in a riffed tHat stopped time 🎨
0 likeshmm I wonder how your own words taste?
0 likesDiscord is not starswirl
0 likesHere is some history with the villains
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Nightmare moon:Since no one would appreciate the night, Luna stood against Celly because everyone liked the day, so basically she was jelly.
0 likesDiscord:Not really much to say about him.He was out from stone and made the place in chaos.(Elements of Harmony discovered)
0 likesChrysalis:Her changelings took over.She wanted to fight Zecora and her resistance.
0 likesSombra:A pony I whom do not know of the name got her cutie mark.Sombra felt betrayed.He set off in snow when she found him, he wanted her to rule by his side, and she refused.So Sombra declared war on the Crystal Empire.
0 likesFlim and Flam:They took over the the apple orchard after Applejack's parents died
0 likesStarlight:When her friend or brother got his cutie mark, she felt betrayed, so she did what she did.(You know...)
0 likes+Huong Dang that is about it
0 likesI do not know of Tirek's, The Sirens, Sunset Shimmer, and any others.
0 likesprincesess cleastia said ELAMNETS OF DISHOMRNY
0 likesboy you where wrong
1 likeWelcome to season seven
0 likestirek is the shadow pony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesThe new video is a good video and a good refrs
0 likesNO MATTER WHAT
0 likesStar swirl is so not discord pony of shadows new
0 likesI agree
0 likesUh nightmare Moon you forgot
1 likedisharmony? r theyre element of disharmony
0 likesseason 7 dude...
0 likesnnno in season 8 starswirl apperded so have discord so u are wrong
0 likesYour wrong watch season seven finale
0 likeshey banish the dazzlings
0 likesdis vid is out dated star swirl went to a place called limbo to keep a monster in there
0 likescome on starswirl has freinds
0 likesone thing I know you a changeling
0 likesLMAO
0 likeshey notion check out the song starswirls frankenstien
0 likesDiscord is not starswerld the. Bearded becouse princess celestia said unicorn
0 likesI think Star Swirl The Bearded is discord because here's my yt
0 likesEeeyup.
3 likesSubscribbled now.
Well he isn’t
0 likesMy response video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWMILny92cU
0 likesseason 7 happened.
0 likesBut I'm not done yet
0 likessorry but I don't believe this theory it's just my opinion
0 likesWell you were wrong.
0 likesBoom BUSTED
0 likeslet's go to narnia
0 likesHe can't possibly be discord in season 7 we found out star swirl the bearded was in limbo for a thousand years with the pony of shadows, plus discord is reformed
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The video came out before season 5!!! Let alone 7!!!!!!!!
2 likesDiscards Thorne looks like Trick c s am be let
0 likesBrony notoin lost pokemon battle
0 likesHey dad love you
0 likesERMAHGERD YOU WATCHED SENPAII'S VIDEOS YAS!
0 likesbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut then how did he teach Selestia & Luna
0 likesWell, well, well...
0 likesmy mine is blown
0 likesImagine being here in 2020
2 likesReplies (4)
C Anne yeah imagine
1 like@CrystalMuffyn 😂😂😂 I literally was just going through my emails from 2017 and I found a link that a friend sent me to this video, back when I loved my little pony 😂😂
1 likeImage being here on 2022
1 like@Ayana_gacha literally ☠️
0 likesso there is a diharmony jems or what because celestia said.... what now im confused.... .-.-
0 likesWrong! Wrong! Wrong! Lol
0 likeswatching this in 2018 be like
0 likesAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
JUST JUST NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
JUST NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HES NOT DISCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD
The world may never know
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Scratch that. Discord being Star Swirl is just too far fetched.
0 likesomg kim!!! :O
0 likescan the fire harmony heart is the place of tree of harmony?????????????????????????
1 likeSeason 7.
0 likesjust saying.... most of everything you said made NO sense......
0 likeso and discord has a gray beard
0 likesHe's not
0 likesWhat if Star Swirled the bearded is secretly the father of Luna and Celestia
0 likesI do not agree with this
0 likesWrong.In season 7 starswor comes back.So KP was right and you are rong!!!!!
0 likesReplies (1)
Kaley Collins lol! Your comment leads to a random website!
0 likesDiscord is star swirl the breaded I think
1 likeBut they were at the same place at the same time?
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This was 7 years ago
0 likesCelly XD
0 likesAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
0 likesoh this is soooooo outdated
Sawtooth nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
0 likesOr years... :T
0 likesHa ha! You're wrong!
1 likeI never thought of dat
0 likesSos, but he ain't
0 likesPlus Hoof palm. -_-
0 likesWooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
1 likeDiscord didn't have friends just like Star Swil the Breaded, so you are right
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Rose King no, because you see star swirl after their rain of power and in order to use time travel spells he would've had to be normal,turn into discord, and then keep on switching from star to discord.boom!
1 likeLove your vedio
0 likesCelestia and Luna dad and mom was In wat
0 likesDiscord in not star swisl
1 likeyep ha ha burn its not star swirl burn burn burn burn
0 likesno that theory is bad and you should feel bad
0 likesHmm very interesting
0 likesInteresting
0 likesYOU TALK ABOUT KIM BUT SHE NOT THERE BOOOOOOOOOO
0 likesGo to Ink Rose's channel.
0 likesSeason 7 ep 25 and 26!HAHAHAHAAHHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
0 likesI hated this theory!
***NOT HATE COMMENT*****
This the only theory from you that i dislike
I am watching this in 2017and your whole theary is rong
0 likesthe video by brony coureois
0 likesYour done with this
0 likesKEOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesdiscord is not starswirl, my proof? the episode where twilight brings starswirl and the pilgrims back.
0 likesi ship u 2
0 likesCool
0 likesSorry but no season 7,8,9
0 likesLol sawtooth
0 likescool
0 likesYeeeeeahhhh suuureeeee xD
0 likesYe ya I agree with your theey I can see hapnig in my heb but on I'm not side kick
0 likesFluttercooooorrrrrrrdddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!
0 likesNOPE
0 likesSeason 7
0 likeshe is too star swril no his n yessssssssssssssss heeeeeeeeeee issssssssssss but noooooo
0 likesnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
0 likesyour kidding yourself!!!!!!!!
ha! not anymore nition
0 likesNO NO AND NO
0 likesThis didn't make any sense what so ever.
0 likesWat if discord is starswerl.Who are spikes parents.Who is owllishos other creaters
0 likeshave magic. Were did spike come from other than the egg.
Where did owllishos come from .Were are spikes parents.Were are owllishos parents.$😇😇☺😊😁😢
This is a load of crap. That's so dumd, why would the writers use the same character. I know I'm twelve.. But not stupid.
0 likes:)
0 likesI do NOT agree
0 likesI do NOT agree
0 likesThe new video is a mistre I don’t
0 likesnot anymore notion
0 likesYou mean NOT true
0 likesLIAR!!!!!!!!
0 likesI think so you are not correct
0 likesHello i come from the future of season seven u r wrong
0 likesAnd the writers didn't think to add an alicorn baby and were did that go?
0 likesI don t know 🤔
1 likeKP IS RIGHT
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sorry , left my caps on
0 likes+Princess Luna lol Luna. Omg
0 likesWrong
2 likesBLEFH
0 likesOmg you like my little pony
0 likeswaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
0 likesDiscord IS TOO starswirlthebearded.
1 likeI have Sean nania
0 likespillars anyone
0 likesviats ink rose
0 likesAnna oop
2 likesWho ever is reading this go read my comment on the bottum but dont read this when you done reading because I'm just telling you
0 likesHeheheh.
0 likesHi sawtooth waves
0 likesI HATE THIS ALL YOUR THEORIES ARE FAILING BECAUSE OF SEASON 7!!!!!!
0 likesDiscord can be Star Swirl becouse well you know if you wached this video BUT in season 7 episode 25 we know more abut shadow pony and we know what happend to Star Swirl at the first place. But I still think that its bossible that Discord did transformation to be Star Swir and trick all the other ponys. This theary can be true and srry abut my bad english BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!!
0 likesDisagree
0 likesRead ink rose video video of celestial history
0 likesVery very very wrong!!!!!! Discord is not Starswirl! SEASON 7!!!!!!!!!
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Dude did came out before season 5!!!!!!!!!!
1 likeWRONG starswirl comes back with his team and the shadow pony
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0 likesNo offense.
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0 likesSo far, this is the best explanation of this theory I've seen/heard. I might have one thing to add on.
0 likesYou said that Star Swirl (now as a Draconiquus) "after eons of being bored, tries to have a little fun by taking over Equestria." Saying it like that, it seems too sudden. I think a thing to add on would be that the spell not only scrambled his body, but also altered his very personality, from what was likely a calm, collected, stern Unicorn to the sarcastic, chaos-loving Draconiquus we all know and love today. It would make more sense as to why nopony recognized him for who he could once have been; heck, the only similarity would be the voice, and we all know how well some characters are voiced with similar people, particularly some of the background ponies that got voices. (Example: Bridle Gossip, Rose has Fluttershy's voice.)
Just something to add onto your theory.
However, as Celestia said in the season 4 finale, Star Swirl befriended Scorpan during her and Luna's rule, which was after Discord was imprisoned the first time. Also, this gives rise to the queation: How old did Star Swirl live to be? On another note entirely, considering Granny Smith helped found Ponyville, and that Twilight made it clear Ponyville is hundreds of years old, how old is Granny Smith? And one more thing, could Granny Smith be a descendant of Star Swirl.
1 likeNo no no! The comics disprove this. Star swirl was celestial's friend and was around after luna's banishment. He created the mirror we see in both equestrian girls movies and a portal to an alternate equestrian. There was even a stain glassed window made of him which a dragon who I will say is spike's ancestor destroyed by accident.
2 likesin the book "The Journal of the Two Sisters" Star Swirl the bearded, helped Celly and Luna rise to power, get there cutie marks, and taught them to raise the sun and the moon before he vanished, so this shatters all ideas of Discord being Star Swirl
0 likesInteresting theory, but there's plenty of evidence to counter it in the show as well.
0 likes1.) Luna, herself, in Lunar Eclipse, recognized Twilight's costume and wasn't offended that a "pony that became one of the greatest threats to Equestria" was remembered and even honored over her, a ruling monarch. You would think that she would have given Twilight a dirty look for representing who she would probably consider a traitor. That means that she and Celestia knew Starswirl personally and would know wither or not he really was Discord.
2.) Discord, himself, is rather vain and boastful. If he was Starswirl chances he would have taken credit for almost every spell Twilight had ever used. Maybe even name them right off the top of his head whenever she used one around him.
3.) It was also pointed out in Twilight's Kingdom that Starswirl was around when Scorpan and Tirek came to Equestria, and that was after Discord's rule because Princess Celestia and Luna were already running the kingdom.
4.) The creators of MLP stated that Discord and Starswirl were not one in the same and by all account that makes it final, so there's really no argument. I'm a writer myself, I decide how my stories are dictated, if I say a character is a certain way or even an alternate character then they are. If I say that they're not then they are not. No one else has the right to say different because they themselves have no say in how I write my plots. The only thing they really can do is either take it as it is or leave it as it is. (Not saying that last part to mean or disrespectful, I'm just stating a fact.) They're welcomed to speculate and form their own head cannons, and even write their own variations of the story, but in the end I have the final say in what my stories/characters are.
If discord was star swirl, wouldn't Tirek recognize him as such instead of another creatures?
1 likeNow that that's taken care of you have to think of how the kingdom disappeared in the first place. Because there is next to no information on the kingdom it would stand to reason that the information was destroyed when the kingdom disappeared. Information is usually destroyed during sieges or battles. I personally like ink rose's theory that the alicorns were all killed in a great battle with dark spirits. An entire kingdom full of alicorns would be really hard to defeat so the creatures that would have been able to manage this would most likely be other creatures with godlike powers. There aren't many species in the show that have that much power. The only one that could actually stand a chance against both princesses is Discord(Cadence and Sombra don't count because Sombra was just a corrupt unicorn that got defeated by a baby dragon and a librarian). With so much chaos magic it would just be silly if discord wasn't as immortal as the princesses. It just makes sense that the alicorns and the draconicuses both perished in the war and Celestia, Luna, and Discord are all that's left. Plus the unfinished spell merely changed the destiny of the mane six. Celestia also said star swirl didn't "understand" friendship like twilight. That doesn't mean he had no friends. This is friggin' Equestria! Friendship literally IS magic here. Somepony as magical as star swirl surely would have known that. Even if it took as long or longer that it took Twilight to figure it out. And even if he didn't have friends why would a spell about friendship turn him into a spirit of chaos?
0 likesIt'd be really cool if there was an official spin-off show about Equestria's history before S1E1
1 likeIn the end of season 4 it is explained that Tereks brother befriended a skilled unicorn who was depicted to be starswirled. This also means that since this was DURING the rule of Celestial & Luna discord had fallen for the first time. We know this because Terek congradulats discord on escaping so he had to have known he was imprisoned before hand therefore discord is NOT starswirled.
0 likeswell also for the whole "star swirl wouldnt be a hero thing" Napoleon bonaparte is known for being a great military leader and emperor of france who had accomplished a lot but is also known for being a ill tempered short guy who let power go to his head and whom tried to take over the world by invading and using military force. so in short he was a great leader who took the reins of a country after its revolution but later wanted to take over the world, but yet even with the latter he is still known as a great leader of france. and with equestria being the county that it is its possible that they would mainly want to focus on mostly the good about star swirl
0 likesWith the book 'The Journal of the Two Sisters', it will be a lot harder for fans to justify the theory that Discord is Starswirl the Bearded.
0 likesIn this book by Amy Keating Rogers, with discussion and help by Lauren Faust herself, it introduces how Starswirl, Celestia, Luna, and the Six Founders met. The information provided on Starships and the fact of his mastery of Time spells leads him to be an ageless time traveler suggests he may well make an appearance later in th show... at least leaves it open for such an idea to come up in an episode.
The point being this official history of the royal sisters written by a show writer with help from the show creator strongly suggests the theory that Discord is Starswirl will be proven completely false.
The comics debunk this theory. Star Swirl was around with Tia after NMM was defeated. That would mean Discord has already been defeated too, because in order to defeat him, Luna would have had to have been present.
0 likesSo, there you go. Discord and Star Swirl are NOT one in the same.
He said that Kim said "If he was outcast because of him being discord, why would Twilight dressup as him?" If you watch that episode, nobody knows who she is, apart from Luna... It's either true that nobody knows what star swirled the bearded looked like (maybe because nobody saw him before he changed) OR they don't WANT to remember, like the ponies that were around at that time hated the new SS the B (aka Discord) so much that they didn't pass down the story through generations. To back it up, the only reason Twilight knows who he is, is because she reads sooooo many books, and spell books...
0 likesI wanna believe Discord was actually a pet created by Star Swirl the Bearded
1 likeVery interesting idea! And I like the connection to Eustace in The Dawn Treader (my favorite Narnia character ever!!).
0 likesI believe the joker theory could be used here too. Do to the spell doing that to him, he might have looked for a way to fix it. Seeing how powerful chaos magic is, my must have tried it.But chaos being chaos, it made him lose his mind, making a new persona. Discord.
0 likesMaybe he also suffered...
0 likesMemory loss.
Who knows, could have happened. I mean, because a huge transformation like THAT could have some side effects... hence why John said he had no idea who Starswirl was, because HE was told Discord had no idea he was Starswirl; or otherwise.
No mention of how him trying to preform the spell failed, hence why he has both horns and wings? I mean all things considered, Discord would be an Alicorn if he was a Pony, so what if the lack of friends caused him to become a sort of Broken Alicorn who then lost his sanity to a flood of powerful magic with no real need to keep it in check?
0 likesAlso consider Dr Wolf's theory about how Discord imprisoned (and is still imprisoning) Star Swirl.
0 likesIn the actual hard cover book The Diary of the Two Sisters it tells the complete story of how Luna and Celestia knew Starswirl, were friends with Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum, earned their cutie marks thought Starswirl's guidance and became princesses. I will say that the book follows show logic because the lines Twilight reads aloud are actual parts of the book, and the second half of the book is the entirety of Twilight and her friends' entries. I actually had a head cannon that Starswirl was younger and worked under Celestia and Luna and then at one point became King Sombra, but I was pretty sure that wasn't true and the book also dismantled my head cannon. Still a fun made up story in my head though :P
0 likesThat actually makes ALOT of sense but I'm sorry, I still disagree. Though everything that you explained COULD be so, I don't understand why the writers would make Discord be Starswirl.
0 likesI think this theory is really interesting AND it could be right. The timeline though is way off. There's a book The Journal of the Two Sisters and in it you learn that Princess Celestia and Luna were rulers long before they vanquished Discord. There are also many other things about Star Swirl that you might find interesting and helpful to your theory.
0 likesIf Starswirl is discord, I would suggest that he was also an Alicorn. He is always wearing a cloak so unsure if he has wings, over a thousand years ago Alicorns may have not been liked much or feared so hiding the wings may have been necessary, and lastly alicorns have great magic.
0 likesIt doesn't really affect your theory much, but I think Celestia and Luna were already in power before Discord showed up, because they had their crowns and royal neck things. I think when Spike said the peaceful rule of Celestia, he meant the current rule that the ponies are living in now.
0 likesWhat if, in the future, Discord finds a way to transform back into Starswirl the Bearded? Great plot twist, huh?
0 likesActually your theory may be true as Star Swirl turned into Discord but maybe when Star Swirl/Discord disappeared maybe chaos bringers polluted his mind making him want to take over Equestria but then after the chaos bringers polluted his mind Star Swirl's good thoughts was erased and memory with it. So his memory was changed into dark memories making him want revenge over Celestia and Luna. Possibly in the season he was free to do good maybe a tiny part of his Star Swirl memory came back but his memory was still fussy or can't quite remember so he still did naughty things but then when Tirek returned his memory was dark again because he was exposed to evil things or dark magic once more but he still remebered his friends or the mane six after because his friends are like the light that fixed his kind memories of them and made him remember that he was good not bad. Well that was my theory
0 likesI know this is off topic, but, according to Celestia herself, first of all, Discord could not have ruled in a state of eternal chaos, since There were other villains who ruled, like Chrysalis, Sombra, and Tirek, though some only ruled part of Equestria, I don't think Discord would let them, or were they working together? Luna an Celly defeated Chrysalis and Sombra, assuming it was them who defeated the villains, before Discord, much like you would if you were to take down the weaker links before getting to the big one. Which brings me to another question, if Luna and Celestia discovered the elements when they had to defeat Discord, how did they beat the villains before him, and since Luna and Celestia shared the elements, and NMM was defeated by Celestia alone, was Celly given all the elements when Luna transformed, or can you use some elements alone, and which elements did Luna and Celestia each have? Please make a video about one of these things, I need a second opinion.
0 likesI'd like to point out that just because discord had no friends and sun butt said that starswirl "didn't understand friendship like you (twi) do" Does NOT mean there is a correlation between those characters. notice: celestia did NOT say that starswirl had NO friends, just that he didn't UNDERSTAND friendship like twilight did. Ever heard the term "with friends like these, who needs enemies" ? there are likely ponies that are like that as well (see also Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon) but they still have friends despite not understanding what friendship really is.
0 likesAlso the beards matching are, at best, Stretching it. How many people in OUR world have the same beard style? a LOT. The beards kind of, but not Exactly, matching might just be a coincidence.
Besides, the writers clearly state these characters are NOT the same. The only reason this rumor came about was a falsified script for discord that never happened (the script was supposedly suppose to show up in the next discord episode, in which they were never shown, where discord was reformed).
There isn't completely solid evidence against it, besides the creators saying no, but there is even less evidence FOR it. until this is laid to rest in the show, though, there will be constant debate about it. I guess we just have to wait and see what happens in the show.
This is nice for me since I felt like the mlp series doesn't give enough of star swirl's story, like I'd love to see him come back, or them saying that he became disQord
0 likesActually, a draconcus is a TYPE of creature as quote from Megan McCarthy. Star swirl can't be discord because the reason Natural Alicorns and Draconicus are rare is because they went to war and Luna,Celestia, and Discord ate the last ones are BC they where young and hid.
0 likesvery good points but using the assumption that the princesses already knew him or his name before he began to take over leads me to believe that starswirld the bearded and discord are not the same , but like I said before very good points.
0 likesWhat I think happened was to create discord the good and bad parts are separated but I think that when discord discovers a balance between good and evil he will turn back
1 likeah your theory makes sense but why would star swirled the bearded cause chaos even though he got switch?But other than that it does make sense that when star swirl the bearded didn't know much about friendship he used the spell on himself to test it and when he switch into something else he wouldn't tell anyone because he didn't want his admirers to betray him,but CHAOS doesn't really fit in with star swirl the bearded.
0 likesI see why you chose this point but it is possible that Discord was StarSwirl's mistake, like maybe StarSwirl casted a spell but it didn't work and created Discord,this might not be true but it is possible.
0 likesCanon shows Starswirl before and after Discord. Starswirl is alive before Celestia and Luna rise to power, and is there after Discord is turned to stone.
0 likesSo... yeah. You're kinda wrong here. Also, just because it's "similar" to a completely different universe, doesn't mean it's the same.
Very interesting. I think that Discord is Star Swirl. It makes a HOLE lot of sense. I wonder if the writers would do this in the future.
0 likesBut Discord said that he is the last of his kind so unless he found a way to turn into a pony there is no way he could be star swirl.
0 likesGreetings! I would like to tell you my theory about starswirl.
0 likesyou would be right except that you forgot that celestia said that starswirl was her apprentice. as well as him being clovers mentor.
at first I thought that this was just a problem with the timeline of my little pony (like in winter wrap up.) but i now believe that is not the case.
we all know that starswirl has experience with, time magic and magic powerful enough to mess with the elements of harmony. I now believe that he indeed sent himself back in time to before equestria was founded. on accident of course.
Another small idea to proof discord is star swirl. He falls in love with fluttershy. All people who don't believe it is cannon, it was made cannon in the intro season 4 finale where when flutters gives angel the Apple discord is looking at her the way fangirls look at Hiddles and benidect. So he fell in love with another race proving 1.he lived with ponies, like spike or 2. He was a pony. Most likely, he was a pony seeing as before he was turned to stone the first time he ruled over ponies, never lived with them
0 likesLook. Just because Celestia said Star Swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship, doesn't mean he didn't have any friends. Scorpan's his friend, right?
1 likeThis just means that Star Swirl did not understand the TRUE magic of friendship AS Twilight does. He just didn't know that friendship can be a powerful magic.
Nice theory and all, but you're over interpreting some of the points you made and twisting it so it fits this theory.
0 likesAnd yeah, there isn't any definite points to disprove this, but the same can be said about every religion in existence...my point is that that is a terrible point to bring up. But like all religion, if you like it, then sure, go believe in it, there's nothing wrong to it.
Now please do a theory about how Discord could easily have kicked Tirek's ass, but it was all part of his plan for Twilight to unlock the magic box.
The timeline wouldn't work out. In the journal of the two sisters, Luna and Celestia are constantly talking about how Star Swirl is there, helping them AFTER they become princesses of Equestria. If he were Discord, Star Swirl wouldn't be able to help them during their struggle as princesses, as it reads in the journal. I want to believe that Discord IS Star Swirl but this timeline wouldn't be it.
0 likeswhen talking about subjects like this you have to take into account other things that happened before star swirl or discord. Lauren Faust personally said discord is not star swirl the bearded but you disreguarded that which means we are free to use information from fanfics and the like. Many fanfics and other fan-made creations try to talk about things like the alicorn kingdom. Surely celestia and luna can't be the only ponies born as alicorns right? This would mean that there must have once been many more alicorns that most likely had their own kingdom. There is no official information about the alicorn kingdom which mens your guess is as good as mine. Nopony ever mentions this kingdom so it would stand to reason that they existed ling before equestria was a country, like celestia and luna. As the royal sisters origin is never specified I believe I can safely assume celestia and luna were originally born in the lost alicorn kingdom.
0 likesIn the comics of mlp, I found a bit about Celestia visiting an alternate universe with star swirl. Luna is on the moon at this point. Timeline disproved.
0 likesAlso their eyes are kinda the same. And Starswirl seen in a picture has a yellow aura. People have make discord into a pony before where discord had a yellow aura slipping away from facts though but still. Also they both have the same color schemes. Even if discord wasn't Starswirl, he could be related to Trixie.(Starswirl could be.)
0 likesNah, it's more like. Star Swirl The Bearded was a great unicorn mage, and did many successful things, like banishing the dazzlings to the human world. He was so powerful, he could communicate to others in other dimensions. He contacts Sheogorath in the Shivering Isles in the TES universe, does some crazy mission for him, and gets turned into Discord. 0_0 Mind Blown XD. Just kidding, that's not how Discord came to be, or how Star Swirl disappeared, and there is no TES and MLP crossover like that, that I can think of. Discord isn't even Star Swirl. Discord is immortal, and Star Swirl probably died. However, I'm curious if someone else has thought up of something about Discord and Sheogorath.
0 likesStar Swirl isn't Discord.
1 likeI don't mean to jump on the "I disagree with you" bandwagon, sorry.
Well it's an interesting theory but if Starswirl turned himself into discord, wouldn't the elements turn him back to normal?
0 likesHas anyone noticed Discord's magic is gold and so is Star Swirl's?
0 likesI can see your point but in the Journal of the Two Sisters, Its revealed that Starswirl raised Celestia and Luna when they became Princesses. So I guess that's something that cold disprove this theory. Believe what you what.
0 likesWhat if Star Swirl returns and Discord imprisoned him for who knows how long, only my theroy has a flaw: wouldn't Discord hint that Star Swirl is still alive?
0 likesHow did you come to the conclusion of his body being swapped? Can you please explain this?
0 likesI completly agree with you i was also thinking of this possibility but i was never going that deep in to it...
0 likesHonestly since discord is my favourite character in the show I'd be disappointed if I found out that he was star swirl but Isn't everyone aloud to have there own opinion right.
0 likes2:37 you started to sound a bit convincing but lost me there. that just sounds like a TERRIBLE fan fiction, I don't think a good guy would just get bored and decide to take over the world, and if he was transformed by a spell, why would he not tell anyone? It's not like he was evil and wanted to keep it a secret, if by what youre going by, he didn't turn evil until after a long time of being bored?
0 likesCould you make another Star Swirl video concerning the update to season 4 the finale, and how it ties in to your other theories?
0 likesBut with the counter spell, wouldnt discord turn back?
0 likeswhat if discord waited for starswirled to pass away before trying to rule equestria because he knew he had no chance of defeating him. when starswirled passed away discord saw it as his chance to rule equestria
0 likesAlso when tereck sucked the magic out of discord it was blue like star swirled the bearded it also had I littel color of yellow but mostly blue i REALLY think that discord is star swirled the bearded I mean he disappeared right when discord showed up and in hearts warming eve in the play at the end They had found there new land and named it equestria does this but on the flag the planted Luna and celesta were on it but in the beginning it said before the peaceful rule of celesta so then
0 likesdiscord would have came then and then celesta and Luna came but it was already on the flag which was probably just a stupid mistake
I think star swirled the bearded is discord cause if he was that could explain how he knew about the keys for the season finally
0 likesok so this is all true, but if you think about the great luna and celestia rift, that lasted for 1000 years too. but then luna was released from her prison first even though she was imprisoned on the moon after discord was defeated for the first time.
0 likesthe time line makes sense however... it stated that celstia luna and discord when they where young where friends. so we know the kingdom was already weak before celtia and luna took over however what about there younger them? celtia and luna knew him before he became evil. plus we know he is the king of caos..or however you spell it so why would he be star something? unless you can somehow answer this..you got pound. sorry i had to say that
0 likesYour argument is pretty good, especially bringing up "Star Swirl's Unfinished Spell" and how it might effect him since it's plausible that he has no friends. But your logic has a flaw and I don't need to use the comic's. You said that he disappeared before Discord showed up and people didn't thought the two was the same. Not only do you have no evidence to prove that he disappeared or he disappeared before Discord appeared, but you can't definitively prove that the spell turns him into a draconequus. For all we know, the spell just failed to work or could blown him up.
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0 likesstill, i agree tho.
This is a good theory but is has a few tiny flaws.
0 likes#1 starswirl IS NOT IMMORTAL!
#2 starswirl did have friends Tia just said on 2:00 "he did not UNDERSTAND friedship like you Twilight".
#3 starswirl was very well respected in the dark ages of pony history so he did have friends! (this backs up #2)
also discord seems to use magic and can fly. doesnt that make hima prince tdchnicly and starswirl was just a regular old unicorn
0 likesUnfortunately, this is wrong. My reason comes from the comics, which is confirmed to be canon. It was shown that Star Swirl was still around after Luna was banished to the moon. This HAD to have been after Discord was already turned to stone because Luna was there when Discord was turned to stone.
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I totally agree. He was still
0 likesAlive after luna was banished, so it can't he can't be discord, he was stone!
@***** I don't see how the time travel would work unless he was able to use that age spell on himself. And (I somewhat feel stupid for saying this) how do you know that in his old age he would have been able to pull off a spell like that? Twilight said that the spell could only be used by the highest levels of unicorns.
0 likesmeh agrees with u. i got all that facts. its imposible
0 likes@***** The age spell. Trixie said that it was for high-level unicorns, but that doesn't say much as she had an ALICORN amulet (not implying it has alicorn magic, but that is never explained how it works). It was never said if the spell could be used on themselves. So that kinda leaves a 50/50 chance there XD
0 likes@***** Chrysalis only won was beacuse her magic can grow= become stronger wen she steals love from another pony. But Celestia's magic is only on one level ( the most powerfull level)
0 likesAnd the writers said so -.-
well, cadence said in the episode that chrysalis 'takes the form of some pony you love and gains power by feding of there love for them' In my perspective it means that shining armor and candece love is so strong that it made Chrysalis stronger than Celestia. Tierek is another villian and his plans and magic dosen't work like Chtysalis.
1 likeAnd that with the writers that they kinda explain why Chrysalis could beat Celestia.
hes TOO not star swirl......... think about it, your reasons are wrong notion..
0 likes@tails1152 Aren't there a lot of inconsistencies with the comic and the show, though? Like, the show says Luna transformed purely out of jealousy, but the comic says that she was possessed in a sense? I mean, it's hard to be "canon" when the both of them contradict each other so much.
0 likesYou have raeped my mind in so many ways.
0 likesGood ways. So I guess it's not raep, but rather a mind blow?
Star swill did come before celestia because in the book of the two sisters it says that.
0 likesWell, maybe he couldn't finish the spell because he was transformed into discord and filled with hate, and no memory...
0 likesHear me out What if Discord and Starswirl switched bodies, and Idenities. WHen the Draconis came to equestria to reak chaos starswirl tried a new spell to defeat them, but failed and since he had no friends he switched bodies with a draconis instead. He has been known to travel to alot of places and it could happen.
0 likesWhile we know it isn't true, sadly, we can always use a new head cannon, right?
0 likesthe books say that star swirl was one of the few that convinced luna and celestia to rule and helps them set up all they needed. the castle right above the tree of harmany. after they defeated discord. its in the two sisters Diary. so not trying to be mean but this is not true. and yes the books and comics are ligets cause they are made by hasbro who made mlpfim
0 likesIf so, I will never watch any of (ForgotHerName)'s videos. I already think her stories are boring to listen to. So, if the story I listened to is proven to be not true, she's the worst story writer I've seen on the internet.
0 likesI will prove this theory is wrong
0 likesin the book - THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS star swirl makes celestia and luna as princesses of equestrian. so star swirl was a friend to luna and celestia .
The theory might be right about discord and star s. might be the same person cause the mane connection they both have that they don't know about friend ship and the spell that twi read in S3 is where it doesn't make sense that how come she read it only switch only her friends CM and when he read the spell it some how deformed him . Are you guys just going off of theory little details from the episodes of the show or are you going by the books as well like i found a book that cadence was a pegasus before she was an alacorn.
0 likeshow do the elements of harmony work and how did they come into being and how did the tree belonging to the elements come into being as well
0 likesi dont think its as easy as DISCORD = STAR SWERL i think even it is the same body that doesnt mean it is the same soul in the same way that in adventure time simon and ice king inhabit the same body but are not the same person there are my 2 cents :)
0 likesIt does make alot of sense but if twilight made the book star swirl made work
0 likesand if he IS discord why does he have such a connection with fluttershy?
Does he not remember?
understoad! changing the elements of harmony makes chaos! just like discord do(/-es, did)!
0 likesit dose not matter what the conics say, if it contradicts the show then its no longer cannon
0 likesOne reason is that the princesses
0 likesWere friends with discord right after the war and so it might be possible that you right because star swirl was before the war
Omg. I know it will never happen. (Come on, too complex for little girls(and me, Derpy, should be talking about complex?)) but this all make sense.Jesus, dude, you are genius!
0 likesI am sorry, but the comics have disproven your timeline, as Starswirl was around after Discord's fall.
0 likesumm.. I disagree with you because of the following reasons
0 likes1. Discords PARENTS killed off Celestia and lunas parents.
2. Discord goes on a journey with Celestia and Luna on their journey to find their parents
3. Discord was ashamed of what his parents did
4. He later found a pleasure in what his parents did and followed in their footsteps
I rest my case
you gotta read the comics, it pretty much destroys your timeline.
0 likesI've always wonder why discord has a horn plus the magic is yellow
0 likesJust buy the journal of the two sisters and you are ging to now every thing you need to!
0 likesWhat I don't get is how celly and luna lived for about 10040 years! ( Cuz they looked about 40 in season 4 ep. 2)
0 likesstarswirl might of transformed into discord like when Luna transformed into nightmare moon but not remembering who they really are, from all the negativity they had
0 likesSome people believe sombra was Starswirl
0 likesMe I believe both are possible
Your Timeline is ruined by the Journal of the Two Sisters. The Royal Sisters knew Starswirl. This is Canon according to Amy Keeting Rogers.
0 likesI thought starswerll made the elements of harmony
0 likeswasn't star swirl also after Discords imprison?
0 likesThis is my theory,do get ur popcorn
0 likesStarswirl, clovers mentor, tried to turn himself into a alicorn but wound up switching up hi body and turned him into a draciconitrus (srry for poop spelling)and he didn't know what to do with himself so he decided do cause some chaos. Then princess celestia and princess Lund stood up and turned him to stone then pony's lived in peace for 1,000 years. That's my theory. Could be right or I could be wrong
that is SO ttoottaallyy true!! omg you are briliant! i could never figure that out!! 😄
0 likesyeah i could see this happening and if you think about it really does make scene
0 likesI do not think you make any REAL valid points. All of the events you say take place are... unlikely.And the logic where Starswirl had no friends so the spell changed his body is illogical.Also why would he want to become immortal? I mean really, i don't think anypony would like to be sent into an eternity of being shunned and seen as a villain.And him taking over Equestria only for the fact that he was bored is just...foalish. You just took all sorts of different puzzles and forced pieces to fit together, completely disregarding the fact that NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY REMOTE SENSE.
0 likesAaaaand the Season 4 finally crushes this stupid theory forever.
0 likesSee I love your headcannen but the only thing is celestia know who starswerill the bearded was so discord must of made starsweirl back to normal and from then on discord couldn't go and be starswerill the bearded eney more.
1 like( my headcannen 😃😃😜😜)
OMG this makes so much sense LOL
0 likesStar Swirl The Bearded had 1 freind King Sombra Before he was king and in that time he was a crystal pony then he started useing dark magic and he became corrppted.
0 likesok even if Discord was Star Swirl I don't think it's really that he keeping it a secret but that he FORGOT he was Star Swirl.
0 likesAlso discord had the same beard as mr swirled!
0 likesCool! You've got a bulletproof theory too!
0 likesThis is a really cool theory
0 likesThe Brony Nation,I have a question:Why do some ponies did not appear in equestria girls?
0 likesWait,wait,wait... IF this is true, IF, a draqouendsdsfm(how ever its spelt) swapped bodies with StarSwirl, what happened to the draq...you know what i mean. What happened to it? Surely they swapped, so that would mean that the THINGYS mind was put into StarSwirls body... wouldn't it?
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And where did it come from, what happended to the rest of its species?
0 likesWait.
0 likesIf Starswirl was Celestia's apprentice and Clover was Starswirl's apprentice...and that was before Celestia's reign... Plot hole?
(I probably got something wrong and sorry 4 bad grammar I'm only 12)
In the Season 4 premiere, Celestia and Luna were ruled during the time that Discord was ruling as well.
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Then why were they wearing crowns?
0 likeswell discord sure got stoned.
0 likesBrony Notion,we have seen Discord turn into a unicorn before in season 4 so would that mean he just turned into Star Swirl to gain the trust of Princess Celestia and Luna While in this stage he may have been learning the pony's names and all that..I guess like Pinkie Pie. Im not going against you or anything though.
0 likeswatch rose ink's discords fall you will see discords back story and see discords Not star swirl, also if he was star swirl was friends with tirek's brother which means if he was star swirl why would he join forces with him knowing he is a backstabber do I make my point :3 I think star swirl is the shadow pony not discord
0 likesmaybe star swirld turned himself into discord and lost contol and that onther stuff happend
0 likesWatch the season 4 finaley and it proves discord is not star swirl the bearded.
0 likesDiscord is NOT star swirl cause if twilight finish star swirls spell in the magical cure discord would turn back in to star swirl and nothing happens to discord
0 likesNOOO!!! You no one else noticed??! The chin of Starswirl and Discord BEARDS!!
0 likesI agree with everything your here!
0 likesYou are way past wrong. If you read the comics then you would know that discord is not star swirl. Because in the comic i read, Princess Celestia Star swirl is in the comic while discord is stone.
0 likesTias and Luna's rule came b4 discord turning to stone
0 likesSome people are saying that star swirled the bearded is not discord but then how did discord come about id he was born not transformed there would have to be other like him
0 likesWell... You have a good point
0 likesNo, you can't say Meghan is wrong, she knows way more about the show then you do. So stop
0 likesdiscord did not have FRIENDS and celistia said that star swirld did not understand FRIENDHIP as twilight did
0 likeswhy would the spell turn his body into that wouldn't just do nothing
0 likesDiscord is NOT Star Swirled cuz Star Swirled was GOOD. Duh.
0 likesyeah good theory cause on keep calm and flutter on we find out that discord didnt actully have any freinds until now
0 likesAnd now i have even more fact he was created bye star swirl and stiched like franken stain he is star swirls franken stain.
0 likesi recomend watching inkroses story on this.
0 likesBut celestia and luna grew up WITH discord....
0 likesStar swirl the bearded has no friends that spell was chaos it wasn't?
0 likesTo me this whole argument is childish
0 likesCould you send me the link to the you tube downloader, I got several results and I want to get the right one.
0 likesIm the Discord President i Realy am And i know that Discord is Infact not Star swirl.
0 likesIf the maker said that what ur saying is false, it's false. End of story.
0 likesI believe that wat Kim said is true so I don't like dis video.
What if discord was starswerls creation
0 likesReasons This Theory IS False:
0 likes1. THE ACTUAL FREAKIN' WRITERS OF MLP SAID IT WAS FALSE! The End.
2. Discord and Star Swirl are obviously two very different characters and they're of a different species (which @***** pointed out).
So do us a small favor and stop forcing this theory on MLP!
~Dash~
actuly this all makes sence and discord IS starswirl
0 likesOMG!!! This makes perfect sense! ur so smart :)
0 likesi have to say i believe you more then kp
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0 likesCelestias knew star swirl
Yeeeaaah, no... I'm with KP on this one. I'm sorry, but there are far too many inconsistencies.
0 likesBut how when he still be alive unless she is he is immortal
0 likesBoth of you are wrong ;T DrWolf made a good theory.
0 likesStar Swirl Make Celestia and Luna princesses!
0 likesIt said he did not understand friendship like Twi did. That doesn't necessarily mean he didn't have friends, he just didn't have the friendship link with his friends like Twilight did with her friends.
0 likesI learned a lot from ink rose. You would too.
0 likesHE'S NOT STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED!!!!!!!! RAHHHHHH >:(
0 likeson 2:12 he probly just messed up the spell!!!!
0 likesdiscord is not star swirl because discord hid away while the alicorn were learing from unicone,pegesi and earth,star swirl taught magic
0 likesDiscord is not star swirl ink rose said discord was saved by celestial and Luna because celestial and Luna's mom and dad was fighting chaos.
0 likes24 k how the hell have i not heard of this guy? How long have you been around?
0 likesNo, im on KPs side.
0 likesWhat type of photoshop did you use?
0 likesAND WHY IS HIS OC A PONY MAKER ONE TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE ON FROM A BASE AND USE IT WITH PAINT
0 likesBrony you need to watch ink rose discords and celestias,lunas bacstory
0 likesOk looks like what I thot was rong discord is *Swirled the bearded
0 likesAnalysis Is Fun!
0 likesThis is so right
0 likesI m on Kim possibles side because I believe Star Swirl is the ShAdOw PoNy lol
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The "shadow pony" (At least this is what I think) is Tirek
0 likesHm well the reason I don't believe that is because 1 Tirek is at jail
0 likes2 he is not a pony
And last but not least 3 he isn't tied somehow with Luna's dark magic
0 likesI think so too
@Glassy Views 1: Tirek wasn't in jail when the shadow pony appeared, remember?
0 likes2: No, but he was the size of one
3: I don't get it
Lol but why would Tirek take the form of a shadow pony then hide in the castle of the two sisters why not somewhere else were no pony would find him
0 likesMaybe he wasn't hiding
0 likesIdk maybe no one is the shadow pony maybe there are npmore than one sort if like the changeling army
0 likesyeah
0 likesYup
0 likes@Rose The Fox For number 3, the shadow pony was created when Luna was banished. Tirek was jailed before that.
0 likesYup
0 likesBut maybe the only thing left of the original Starswirl would be his shadow?
0 likesYeah
0 likes@Rose The Fox The shadow pony was a last bits of Nightmare Moon's magic.
1 likeNice therory!
0 likesI read the book of the dawn treader
0 likesdiscord was born a draconagus yo crazy
0 likesOK now in da ep where discord was sick he didn't rlly seem to WANT pinkie pie to take care of him :/ even when she she was the only pony who said she could!! Does that mean he doesn't like pinkie pie? Pls figure did out for me!!
0 likesAnd thanks for making this vid
0 likesmy mind has been blown
0 likesTHIS IS NO LIE my friend gone yo brony con and she asked the people and they said he is all ways their .... wacthing snd waiting no lie
0 likesWhat is Discord was Starsswirl
0 likesInk rose said that star swirl died from old age
0 likesI am on notions sides
0 likesWatch s1 ep2 then Watch fue cristal umpire part 1
0 likesUm no in a clip I saw
0 likesRainbow dash says how they
(Lost) 1000 years too a evil king
And your video you say star swirl
Being discord fills in a huge gap
And then where dose nightmare
Moon come in pleas can you explain :)
So this guy has a ROBLOX account huh?.. I challenge you to a sword fight. :^)
0 likesWhat episode is 1:42
0 likesum aha he helps tirek and quits
0 likesLol that link hugGMORFYJo
0 likesI am not going to watch your videos of lies anymore.
0 likesGO BACK TO PART ONE AND READ MY COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likes@The Brony Notion
I know you can't undersand me
0 likesYour Illuminati problem solved
0 likesI agree,
0 likesThis is based too much on theory. Not reliable at all
0 likesHey I made a MLPFM story would you read it and tell me what you think. It's by Kindness to everyone and thing
0 likesnightmare moon is comeing
0 likesBake celestial will fall
I know Megan MacArthur I can ask her
0 likesNO JUST NO
0 likesYouTube war? XD
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Sounds like it XD
0 likesmakes scince
0 likesWWWHHYYY? A SPANISH AD BEFORE THE VIDEO!!1
0 likesI know right
0 likestrue
0 likesHe is not
0 likesfinale stupidauto correct.
0 likesWatch ink rose
0 likesNot true
0 likeswell well well....... hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
0 likesHere curtsy of @***** ^_-
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What the heck
0 likesKiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim!💘👍❤❤😜💘❤❤💋😉😡😣💕
0 likesNo I can explain to if u want but if u don't I won't bother
0 likesNo no no no y u say dat!!!!!!!!!
0 likesI'd like to debunk this awesome theory that I loved to follow as well. Discord existed in Equestria BEFORE Celestia and Luna came to power as shown in the Season 4 premiere. He ruled it and Celestia and Luna came to challenge him to help the ponies of Equestria. Celestia also clearly knew Starswirl seeing that he's a long time friend. I think that means starswirl is probably a pony that came after Discord's fall when Celestia might have been looking for someone to take the thrown after Luna's change to Nightmare moon.
2 likesThe only thing that makes me confused at this theory is the question, is Draconequus a species? The saying "the only one of his kind" could be taken that he's the only creature like himself or that his race is gone except him. IF Discord is the only creature that exist as himself, then the Starswirl been Discord theory or that Starswirl created Discord theory can be true. But if Draconequus is a species, it seems too coincidental that Starswirl's incident created or made himself become a Draconequus, rather than a monster no one has ever seen before in the history of Equestria.
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Also, Princess Celestia describes him as the "Spirit of Chaos" which would assume he's always had that form... For that reason I don't think the Draconequus is a species, but it also makes the Discord= Starswirl argument look weak... Good point though. /)
0 likesWith recent revelations in the four part series in the comic of MLP Friendship is Magic I'd say this finally shows that Discord and Star Swirl are separate. But for a stronger reason to why they're not the same person/pony/being is that Star Swirl was present for Celestia and Luna's rule of Equestria after they imprisoned Discord.
1 likeInteresting thoughts, though one must remember that at the start of Season 4, Celestia mentions it's been only 1 year since Twilight was sent to Ponyville, Nightmare Moon was unsealed, Twi found friends and the Elements of Harmony, then freed Luna from Nightmare Moon's control.
0 likesSo that's 65 episodes of stuff occurring over the one year (and some of them taking a week or two in-episode time), and Season 3's events at the latest could be early-Summer IF the Summer Sun Celebration is equivalent to the Summer Solstice (and Mayor Mare's line at ~19:20 in FiM S1 E1 indicates SSC is basically Summer Solstice), so if we finagle the episodes to try and fit Luna eclipsed with Nightmare Night (Halloween) to be in S1 before Winter Wrap Up (the last day of Winter before the start of Spring but after Fall Weather Friends, that means most of Season 1 & 2 occur during mid-late summer through Autumn/Fall, then a (short) Winter (since Hearths Warming Eve seems to be roughly like Christmas, being middle if winter, and only episode other than WWU to be in or near Winter) and Season 3 happens during a Spring/Summer going into S4.
So that means Discord's appearances could be as soon as (like) 1 month apart, but no more than 5 months apart (if after Winter Wrap-Up) or 8 months apart (if around the time of Nightmare Night) if we give a one-month buffer between Keep Calm And Flutter On and Princess Twilight Sparkle.
Personally, I'd put his appearance in Return of Harmony as shortly after Winter Wrap Up (so VERY early Spring) to try and give a decent buffer between then and Keep Calm And Flutter On.
Of course, trying to wrangle the first three seasons into a timeline that fits somewhat in line with a typical 52-week/13-lunar month/12-calendar month year, gets to be a bit of a headache even for someone who's good at trying to figure out that sort of stuff.
I kinda think that this history you showed is pretty obvious. I don't think there's any debate that Discord could be Star Swirl the Bearded. Really its just headcanon territory that swings all depending on your preference.
2 likesI like to think that celestia and luna were already in power when discord came into existence, and there was an epic fight (that luna and celestia lost), and they witnessed the destruction of equestria as they failed to defeat him. They immediately hide near the outskirts of ponyville, and the world is in a state of chaos for a long time. They find the elements of harmony (notice how they look bruised and weary of a long fight) and approach discord on his throne, turning him to stone.
1 likeThough you make good points, some of it still doesn't fit to me. She didn't say he didnt have friends. She only said he didn't under STAND it the way twilight did. And if starswirl was that high in society ponies would have to at least try and look for him, or AT LEAST be a LITTLE suspicious to where he would of gone/ disappeared to right? Then all the sudden a dragconacis appears what like a year or so later? I would be suspicious because no one ever found him, and they all knew he was one of the best spell makers/ wizard in history. I also have a agree with Inkrose's theory about out Luna, Celly, and even Discords parents and why we only have 2 blood alicorns where did their parents go? I believe that there was a war between the 2 races while the 3 were children. Ok I'm done this is my opinion. Hoof in the dirt and staying there
1 likeI have a theory of my own: Why would the spell effect Starswirl when he cast it yet absolutely nothing happened to Twilight when she cast it? Also if the spell did do that to Starswirl then why would Celestia give Twilight such a dangerous spell?
0 likesI actually have a book written by the creators(so therefore it is canon) that is The Journal of the Two Sisters. It begins when they come to power and ends when they get their cutie marks. Discord is never once mentioned. But Starswirl is in the majority of the book. He at one point loses is magic by using it for a spell to powerful for him to do it as much as he did. And when the princesses came to power he was already a bit more than middle-aged
0 likesI'm still going to have to agree with KP. In the comics, Starswirl was still there even during Celestia's rule. They travelled worlds together for pete's sakes. Okay, the comics may not be canon.. but neither is your head canon. :P
1 likeok, the theory of the spell was pretty damn interesting. Congrats on thinking about it. After all if that was the case that would explain why someone like him just couldnt finish the spell.
1 likeActually, just one little line from the Season Four finale proves this theory invalid. If Scorpan befriended Starswirl, AKA pretty much the time Tyrek was banished... Then how did Tyrek know who Discord was if Starswirl was him?
0 likesI have come to like the idea that StarSwirl the Bearded used magic on the tree of harmony to create the elements of harmony, possibly as a weapon to fight King Sombre, but couldn't control the spell effectively enough. He made the element artifacts but it drained the 5 emotional elements out of him, causing him to be unable to express any of them. (This is defining 'laughter' as purely positive laughter and distinct from 'mockery', so one would still see humour and laugh without the laughter element but only in malicious ways.) The magic backlash transformed his body and gave him immense power causing him to become an embodiment of chaos. They had said that both Discord and Sombra were 1000 years ago, the two events were somewhat close together. We also have no idea how much time passed between the hearthswarming migration and the rule of Discord, StarSwirl could have been Twilight's age during the migration and an old man when Sombra showed up. They also don't say how long Discord was in power, I tend to think given the extreme nature of his manipulation Ponies wouldn't have survived long under him. How does one grow crops when the dirt could turn into marshmallows and the crops could turn into fish? It makes sense to me that Discord's rule may have only lasted as long as it took the princesses to find the elements of harmony. Also, in the flashback episode Discord clearly knew what the elements were, what the tree of harmony was, where the tree of harmony was, how to weaken the tree and that doing so would force them to put the elements back into it. He has extensive knowledge of what the elements are and how they work, beyond what Celestia knows. It makes sense that he made them.
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Very interesting theory! I hope the writers give the villians and Starswirl a proper back-story in this season's finale! /)
0 likes@The Brony Notion Here's an updated version: Sombra was Starswirl's student, he stole the 'inspiration manifestation' spell book and used it's power to create an army of shapeshifting monsters with which to conquer the Crystal Empire, turning it all to crystal and even giving the ponies there the crystal form because of his obsession with crystals. Starswirl used the same spell to combat Sombra, but it wasn't enough by itself so he used the spell's power on the tree of harmony to create the elements of harmony, draining the emotions linked to the elements from him in the process and turning him into Discord. Sombra ruled the north while Discord ruled the south until his younger student Celestia and her sister Luna could find the elements of harmony and use them to defeat both and drive the Changeling army into exile but not before Sombra could infect Luna with his dark magic which slowly corrupted her and years later turned her into Nightmare Moon and IT'S ALL CONNECTED!!!!!
0 likesYESSS! As I was watching today's episode, I thought Rarity was turning pony-ville into a Crystal Empire! I do however believe the empire was originally crystal because of non-evil elements like the crystal heart. It was interesting how Twilight called what happened "Dark Magic"! /)
0 likes@The Brony Notion Good point about the crystals. This theory would make Equestria Sombra's home, Perhaps he chose to go to the Crystal Empire and conquer it rather than conquering Equestria because it was already crystalline, fitting his obsession.
1 like@The Brony Notion I was thinking about your video where you said that Sombra's defeat must have been before Discord, and they didn't use the elements of harmony to do it. I think you're right, so I've revised my timeline.
0 likesSombra uses the inspiration spell, it becomes clear he intends to become a villain. StarSwirl uses the spell to fight him in Canterlot and fails, Sombra then conquers the Crystal Empire with the Changeling army. Celestia and Luna train in their magic with the intent of defeating him, but it's a while before they are strong enough (otherwise Sombra is defeated too soon, it makes more sense if he rules for at least a couple of years) Celestia and Luna eventually head north to defeat Sombra, StarSwirl stays behind and tells them he has a plan to create magical artifacts that will aid them if their current power proves insufficient. StarSwirl becomes Discord and conquers Equestria in their absence, they successfully defeat Sombra and drive the Changelings into exile, only to return home to utter chaos and the suffering of their people. The sisters are completely unaware that Discord is StarSwirl, thinking that he killed their mentor. They delve into his research to find out what the elements of harmony are and where to find them. They defeat Discord, never learning the fate of StarSwirl and take their places as Princesses and Equestria's rulers, using their magic to repair Discord's damage and take control of the ruined solar system. And of course, Luna becomes NightMare Moon because of slow corruption from Sombra's dark magic.
The show disproves this, actually.
0 likesTirek's brother knew Star Swirl the Bearded, and Celestia and Luna were in power. Since the sisters were currently ruling, Discord was still stone, and therefore couldn't be present otherwise. Even if they weren't in power, Tirek was first defeated before Star Swirl has transformed, but somehow he recognized Discord in the S4 finale.
This may have already been put forward but there is one other part that could lend itself to this theory, and remember ponies, this is theory. Only the writers know where they are heading. But take note that Celestia gave Fluttershy the task of making friends with Discord. This would be quite apt when you consider Starswirl was not very good on the friendship part which is an accurate point. In a way, could Celestia know the truth and be attempting to bring back Starswirl through the magic of friendship.........the mind boggles but its great fun to think abou it!
0 likesI disagree. If Starswirl had no friends, I don' t believe the spell would work. Which would be why he he gave up trying to finish his spell, and leaves Equestria. With one of the most powerful unicorns gone, Discord decides it should be safe to mess around with Equestria.
1 likeRead the journal of the 2 sisters, they did not become princesses after discord was turned to stone. After the land was named eqeustria, the sisters were asked to be their leaders.
1 likeWell, most headcannon says that discord was there when Tia and Luna were BORN. And the fact the discord is a draquonanous means that that is a type of species it is and is not a big mash of everything.
1 likeWhy does nobody ever make the assertion that Sombra is Starswirl? It did happen around the same time, and with Starswirl's time magic, it would explain why the crystal kingdom was popping in and out of existence every thousand years. And since we know that Starswirl was a scholar among other things, is it not more plausible, that Starswirl was in the process of studying the dark magic and fell to its corruption, thus becoming the dark unicorn Sombra? Seems far more likely to me. It would also explain why Celestia and Luna never mention Starswirl when talking about Discord, and why they didn't seek his aid in fighting Discord. Or you know, HERE'S a novel idea. Starswirl was JUST a unicorn. An admittedly brilliant unicorn yes, but still just a unicorn, and like all unicorns, he DIED of old age. End of story. No freaky transformations, no dark corruption, no immortality spells, he JUST died, that's it. And considering that Celestia, in her role as wise mentor, never even mentions any of the dangers or warning signs associated with these other theories, to Twilight Sparkle, I am inclined to go with the natural death theory.
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0___o THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!! Well, Sombra's character does desperately need a back-story. There's something to your theory, but I'm sticking to mah guns on this one. Reason Being the pieces seem to fit together better in the Discord = Starswirl theory, like how the unfinished spell would have scrambled his body. Your probably right though. Good thinking dude! /)
1 like@The Brony Notion (\ Much appreciated. I actually have a few thoughts on that spell as well. Celestia clearly states that Starswirl was never able to get it right, and thus abandoned it, so to me, that would suggest that history (if not Celestia herself) was aware of what happened to him during and after his attempts with the spell, and since I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed him turning into a Draconaquis, I would speculate that nothing happened. Which leads to my next point. What if nothing /actually/ happened when he cast it? What if the only reason it did anything when Twilight cast it, is because the elements of harmony were right there, and since the elements are linked to her friends, it was as if they were right there with her, thus allowing the spell to affect them. And since, like you said, it seems like Starswirl had few, if any friends, it's completely possible that he was alone most of the time, thus giving his spell nobody to effect, causing it to simply do nothing. Which brings me to my last point, the spell itself. If you pay attention to the wording of the spell, it becomes clear that it's a destiny spell, or a spell to change destiny, and not simply a 'swapping' spell, thus why it only affected their cutie marks, the pictorial representation of their special abilities, the things that tell them what they are meant to do in life, a symbol of their destiny. So even if Starswirl got the spell to work with or without others being around and the spell had backfired on him, I would postulate that all that would have happened was that he got his cutie mark switched, not his body, and certainly not just pieces of his body. But again, that's just how it looks to me.
1 likemaybe Celestia helped to keep her subjects in ignorance in the same way she made everyone forget Luna even existed and instead she was remembered as simply a fairytale
1 likein the season 4 finale they show the antagonist's brother actually befriend starswirl, but this all occurred during the rule of the princesses so... theory has fault in it and the writers have to get there sh** together when writing proper equestrian lore
0 likesi always thought star swirl was an apprentice during the reign of the sisters after discord.
1 likeBoth of you have very strong opinions with lots of evidence to back them up with. They both fit really well. Thus, I am confused as to which side I should take :/ Maybe I should create my own head canon....
0 likesThis TOTALLY clashes with what we know from the comics. Celestia was friends with starswirl the bearded.
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but it doesn't explain why celestia hates him so much in oppose to her LOVE (aplatonic love, of course) to Starswirl.
0 likesOh, come on!! flowers mean NOTHING
0 likesHeh, look at this, a rager talking to herself. Weird.
3 likesOh, shut up :P
1 likeIf the writer of the show says he isn't Starswirl the Bearded, why do you say, "Oh, the creators are wrong, even though they made the whole backstory for Discord."
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There's two different approaches to this, #1 is whether or not it looks like the writers are going to do this in the future, or #2 whether or not it would work in the shows cannon. I took the second approach, but both are valid. Megan McCarthy doesn't have full say over what is to happen in the future anyway.
0 likesWhile I understand where you're going... I still feel like if a writer said it isn't true, I would feel like it wouldn't be. But, we all think different things about the show, you're intitled to think he is Star Swirl. ^^;
0 likesI'm in with you on this one.
0 likesI just hope it doesn't go the opposite way, because it would be so cool to see twilights face when it's figured out.
xD
Starswirls's spell was a failure, something incomplete, therefor not meant to do that exactly if i recall ... and even if it was his intention, he did not make a transforming spell, only one spell that changed a ponies personality/cutiemark/ or something else...
0 likesBUt you have one good point, Starswirls the bearded could have transformed into Discord without witnesses..
The sisters reign was longer, because after solidifying there rule, they took on Sombre. The Crystal empire was in the far reaches of Equestria, so it was technically a different country.( you could also assume Sombre dark magic infected and somehow created Queen Chrysalis). Afterwords Luna was also infected by dark magic, banished, and the wonderbolts (and rainbow factory) was created to relieve Celestia.
0 likesone thing i do like about this theory is that it explains why Celestia believed Discord could be reformed
1 likeHmmmmm.... I think this might be right. I read a comic, and it seemed like that star swirl and Tia and Star Swirl were very good friends.
0 likesI watched the end of season four. Discord gives Tia roses. If they were good friends, maybe Star Swirl ended up liking Tia. He probably held on to his love after he turned to Discord, thus giving Tia flowers. 😃
although all these reasons are fitting, the fact that the spell transformed him doesn't make sense, it clearly shows it only has the power to change someones destiny and thoughts, like they thought they were each other, meh i'm having writing block today :I, but still the spell only seems to twist the facts and personalities not a whole persons body shape, and with star swirls knowledge and logic there's no reason for him to transform let alone want to, plus its highly unlogical if the all of a sudden starts wanting to hurt other ponies, plus the whole theory is really unneeded and out of the topic in the first place and BAM here it comes taking the makers by surprise since there's no much against it, i mean what famous unicorn would want to give it up and i bet that they'll make a new episode in the future stating that star swirl lived his life to the end.
0 likesDear sweet Celestia, it just makes TOO MUCH sense for Starswirl and Discord to be one and the same.
1 likei don't think that spell theory would work because the spell swapped their destiny's not their identity's, so probably when star swirl used the spell it probably had no affect.
0 likesplus if the spell did work like that he probably would have asked tia and luna for help they did know each other after all.
this is a good thoery. How ever I only ask one question of you. When gaining his draguoniquos form did it START the gain choas, did this shadows take over, or did he relize all he could do and put it to task. Though in keep calm flutter on, I feel like in beauty in the beast all this will be revealed because star swirl will find his true destiny once again.
0 likesBut how could Star Swirl be Celestia's past student if they weren't in power yet and he was Discord when they could have met? How could they have previously met and why was he her student when she was not in need of an heir/ a ruler? OH! She was looking for someone to replace her at her sun duties when she dies. But then why choose an old man? Unless being her student has nothing to do with being an apprentice and she was just teaching him alicorn/strong magic.
0 likesThis is a very interesting theory, but it's up to the writers in the end. :)
0 likesthis does make since but wouldn't he try to turn himself back or at least tell someone
1 likelike celestia?
and if twilight figured it out he could turn himself back or again he likes his new form and wants to keep it a secret. plus i don't think fluttershy and starswirl ( discord ) could be together. seeing them together would just be a little weird discord though not so bad.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Mabey discord IS starswirl the bearded!
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Discord hates sense :D
1 likeYou missed something. Discord could also be Starswirl because of other reasons that you missed BECAUSE of disregarding the comics. Try thinking about how cheerful and funny he was in the comics. That could actually make a big difference in some stuff. Now it might not actually directly explain HOW he is Discord, but there are some supporting facts. Just think, if Starswirl was very cranky, angry and basically terrible, he'd probably come of mare evil and malicious. But Discord was more of a funny chaotic type, and he was always so happy and laughing. And when you think about it, Starswirl, as stated in the comics 'Acts more like Pinkie Pie than Twilight'... and He said 'And my favorite element... laughter!'. So he likes laughter and likes to be different and is always laughing just like Starswirl. Their personalities match up, and Discord isn't even all that evil. It wasn't like he was freaking killing ponies, just cause unhappiness and unrest, yet I have a feeling it was just him playing pranks until everyone started hating it. So it all matches up.
0 likesIn Twilight's Kingdom, they say that Tirek's brother (I forget his name) was friends with Starswirl The Bearded. This disproves your head cannon because your theory relies on the fact Starswirl didn't have friends, though it is stated he did. :) /)
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So Starswirl WAS more sociable that we thought he was... I'm not really leaning towards this theory anymore myself, but the explanation I gave was only one of the several possibilities of how the transformation could have taken place. It doesn't necessarily disprove it. Good thinking though! /)
0 likesTrue, true. Great videos by the way, I'm enjoying marathoning them right now! /)
1 likeHaha thanks! I'm glad you enjoy them! (\
0 likesI disagree. When Twilight said the spell, it didn't affect her. Even though Star Swirl had no friends, it would not a affect him. Just my opinion.
0 likesYou said that Star Swirl's spell was for mixing up the spell-caster's friends(not necessarily on purpose... or was it?) maybe, if he really had no friends, that might have made sense, but in the show, it doesn't say anything about the spell mixing up anyone's friends, just about it confusing and changing specifically the elements of harmony. What you said might be the case, because Twilight was the one who cast the spell, and her friends just happen to be the spirits representing the elements of harmony.
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On the other hoof, what you said might be the case, because Twilight was the one who cast the spell, and her friends just happen to be the spirits representing the elements of harmony, so they were changed.
1 likeAs you can see, I am on neither side of this debate. xD
1 likeDiscord was born the way he was! IloveKimpossiblealot is right on how discord is not Star swirl
0 likesI'm on KP's team, If Star swirl the Bearded IS Discord, why would Celly show so much hatred for him? (rolls eyes) I want this theory to end so badly, I might cry if it doesn't...
1 likeWhat if, ignoring comics, Starswirl the Bearded ruled Equestria in the time mentioned in hearts warming eve and the ponies chose Starswirl as a ruler to all ponies ,but he was strict, causing ponies to be unhappy. Tia and Luna opposed him and when trying to use the elements on him, turned him into Discord because he wasn't bad. Ponies still respected him and the princesses didn't tell anyone in fear of hatred towards them. They used it again after he became was bitter from rejection from the ponies and caused chaos out of anger.
0 likesI happen to agree with brony nation since he did not have friends his spell backfired and turned him into a mix of animals thus he kept it a secret and hid.
1 likei find the starswirld theory to be really far fetched, when he said he did not understood friendship as well as you do, does NOT mean he didnt have friends
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AND It's been proven wrong! :( Ehhh Discord is interesting enough on his own.
0 likesStar Swirl did indeed have friends, but like Celestia said, he didn't understand friendship magic fully and he wasn't linked to the Elements. But putting the Discord = Star Swirl theory aside. What did the unfinished spell do on someone who wasn't linked to the Elements of Harmony? He must have at least tested the spell to conclude it wasn't working, right?
1 likeMy Theory... Is That Discord CAN Be Part Of Starswirl... Maybe When His Spell Gone Wrong His "Crazy" Or Even "Magic" Side, Separated From Him, Creating The First Draconaquis Ever! "Discord" =D
1 likeUm i find this highly inaccurate you must remember that Discord is a race of his own, so if Star Swirl is a unicorn how can he automatically change his race to Discord's Race( I forget it) And Discord was the ruler of Equestria, and Star swirl could have been a court mage if he was never taught Friendship and how would a spell that changes Friendship Change him if he has no friends to change, you have many hole in your theory my dear friend ,and why would he change his own name to discord, Star Swirl, if he taught ponies wouldn't wanna cause chaos when he wanted to leave a legacy behind, and you must also remember that Discord gave Flowers to Celestia, did it never occur to you that Celestia would never mention this about Starswirl (Too many holes sheesh) And i will not accept your theory until Discord admits it for himself. I have more corrections but i am not of will to say it. And Discord doesn't have the Wisdom of Star Swirl The bearded, he only has chaotic lesson teaching wisdom. He is like the cat in the hat
0 likesI believe Discord was created by Starswirl the bearded
0 likesPossibly on purpose or possibly accidentally.
Also, Starswirl did have one good friend- Celestia herself. YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT.
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According to the finale of s4, he was also friends with Scorpan.
0 likesIn all the comics, he was Pinkie level of friendly. Luna even made the comparison herself.
0 likesI prefer the idea that Discord i "Starswirl's Frankenstein", as a certain DragonwolfRooke put it and has npw been made into a song. Look it up.
1 likei'm with kp on this your hole argument rests on starswirls spell causing a personal transformation nothing like what is what it dose for someone with friends and the fact that discord would not tell anyone he was starswirl. discord likes to show off, and with this in mind, I would think he would see his transformation into the all powerful being he is today as something to boast about therefor he would tell everyone he is star swirld
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Eh good point. I'm more neutral on the subject, like he could be, but he also might not be... /)
0 likesthis video was made before the season 4 finally where discord digeses himself as a pony I think if starswirld discort could do that then he would hide his from and work on a cure
0 likesWhat gives you the right to do this...
0 likesMegan: I am the show back story maker and head writer, and I say Discord is NOT Star swirl.
You: Even though you write everything, this is why you, THE SHOW WRITER, is /wrong/.
I mean really, that isn't cool. If she says Discord isn't Star swirl, he isn't.
I like this headcanon, but didn't Celestia raise Star Swirl to be the powerful pony he was? If that's true then Star Swirl couldn't have lived before Celestia.
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To the best of my knowledge, all the theories of Starswirl being mentored by Celestia are head-canons. It's tricky because the comics show that they lived in the same era, but whether those are canon or not is still up for debate. I think Starswirl lived before mainly because in the Christmas episode, Clover knew Starswirl. The events of that story, according to Spike, came long before the reign of the two princesses.... but that's also debatable, because the flag they put up in that play had the princesses on it. Good question /)
0 likesNow that you mention it, this fact doesn't only clash with the headcanon but also with canon. So either the Christmas episode has a flaw or maybe Celestia made him a great wizard before she and Luna ruled over Equestria?
0 likesPossibly, I would just say the play was historically inaccurate. :P Sorta like our myths about Santa clause I guess haha. /)
1 likebut couldnt it stand to reason that Starswirl made discord because he felt lonely and needed a friend or son but during when he brought discord to life discord killed him in some accident
1 likehonestly, in season five and behond, starswirl may even come back, AS A PONY he is a powerful unicorn after all, just imagen the episode tite HEES BAAACCK.
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4:37 celly lol
0 likesI believe he is the shadow pony lol and I hope g
0 likesHe dose come back
I think I agree with ILoveKimPossibleAlot. I don't think Discord is Starswirl. Just look up Starswirl's Frankenstein. I think Discord was created by Starswirl.
0 likes3:35, or perhaps they erased it from the history books to preserve his honor out of respect.
0 likesI wouldn't be surprised if Starswirl turned out to be Discord. Nor that the ponies of old missed that connection. They didn't seem to connect the olden pony tale of the Mare on the Moon with Nightmare Moon, nor with the missing Princess of the Night. My personal head cannon is that while working on that spell Twilight mastered at the end of season 3, he accidentally turned himself into his present form and went mad(so to speak).
0 likesall this to me proves that Discord is star swirled the bearded!
0 likesi dont think discord can organize his thoughts
1 likeYou should read the comic reflections it explains some of this.
0 likesAnother theory is in the season 3 finale Princess Celestia said he did not understand friendship like twilight does than in Keep Calm and Flutter On at first DISCORD was just USING fluttershy so she would not use her element against him than he says "I lost the one friend I ever had" and finally in "Threes a crowd" Discord says that Fluttershy is the only pony who truly understands him
0 likes1: not UNDERSTANDING frendship doesnt meen no friends.
0 likes2: the spell was broken. it could have made a huge explosion, cause the moon to crash to earth, a ton of different things could have happened.
Everything else i think is valid.
PLZ READ:
1 likediscord was not turn to stone before Luna and Cele's ruling if you read the journal of the two sisters it took place from when Cele and Luna was crowned till when they got there cutie marks and they didnt find the elments till after they where crowned princeses and in that manner they seid nothing of discord so it was after they got their cutie marks but i DO think discord is Star swirl because it seid that he had a brown beard insted of a white one so he could of turn into discorn after they got there cutie marks also if you want more info plz read the book
wouldn't discord then know about the elements? If so why did he LET himself be turned to stone?
0 likesDiscord couldnt be starswirll because, when tia and luna turned him to stone tia said "I will always love you, my friend" which means discord, tia and luna all new each other before, and if they were friends he would tel tia and luna, get it.
0 likesEver heard of the MLP comics? Maybe even the season finale, Twilights Kingdom? Your theory is easily disproved by both strong examples of evidence.
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This video was made several months before Twilight's kingdom actually. I looked for evidence to disprove this iin that episode, but couldn't find any. If you have something that doesn't fit from that episode, let me know! As for the comics, I haven't read them yet, but I plan to in the near future.
1 like...... Yo, can you guys not connect dots correctly? Oh wait, there's no dots to connect!! Where does Discord=Star Swirl even conform?! It makes no sense... Discord is a dranqunicus! They even say that's what he is! So your basically saying Star Swirl made up a while new species! He ain't god! I.... This.... My brain hurts from trying to comprehend how this even came to be a canon....
2 likesMaybe he is not. I have a MLP comic book IDW MLP sold in Hot Topic. Honolulu, Hawaii Alamoana Mall is where I got it. Young Celestia knew Star Swirled himself. In a way Celestia was his friend. They studied magic together and experimented the magic portals that was shown in Equestria Girls. At this moment Luna was still banished but Celestia was at power. During that according to you Discord is in stone while Star Swirl is ALIVE. I have comic issues 17, 18, and 19
0 likesIt doesn't make sent because the time line is wrong and discord was release before luna escape from the moon again and she came back after a few months. She put herself back on the so she can have some alone time to herself to think more of what she had done. Then she came to night mare night and she scared children but she realized that it was fun to be scared.
0 likesI KNEW IT STAR SWIRLED MIGHT HAVE USED CAOS MAGIC THAT HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHICH TURNED HIM INTO DISCORD!!!!!!!!
0 likesok, here's my reasoning as to why discord isn't star swirl
0 likessimply put I don't think one can simply 'become' a dracanaquse (I know I butchered that, forgive me XP)
to me it seems to be the thing you ether are or are not
like you ether are or you are not a unicorn
or you ether are or you are not African amarican
i'm not agree with the 1000 years of stoned discord because nightmare moon was banished 1000 years and discord was stoned before and after the banishment!
0 likesI STILL AGREE WITH KIM
0 likesYet discord was REformed a few eps later he changed To EVIL ONCE AGAIN |( few mins later he learned that some people aren't worth it but what if season 5 or if there is more seasons JUST what if later on the seasons discord is NOT star swirl don't mean to brake it up to you but if discord star I'm saying its a 50% chance
0 likesno stop at 1:54 ok when you say he didnt have friends thats not what celelstia is saying she is saying he didnt understand what friendship is unlike twilight who hold the elements of harmony with her friend that have the magic of friendship. so star swirl does not share the elements nor does he know what they do because like you said he was before celestia. so he had friends but didnt understand the true meaning of friendship.
1 likeAt the beginning: why is discord so awesome
1 likeAHAHAHAH
in s3e10 at around 16 mins into the episode discord says "well... ive never really had any friends..."
0 likesOk if discord is star swirl the breaded, princess celestia and luna would know. Star swirl did understand friendship but not as much as twilight.didn't you see the writing in the book?
0 likesthis could go on forever!):
0 likesAs cool as it would be if this is true, it's probably not.
1 likeHe is in NO way star swirl the bearded. *facepalm
0 likesBut, just because Starswirl didn't completely understand friendship doesn't mean he had no friends.. Meh. I'm just a supporter of ink roses Headcannon theory I guess/:
0 likesilovekimpossiblealot does have a point but clover the clever could have been his friend........ Right??????/
1 likeYOU SEE discord is their CHILDHOOD friend and star swirl was there BEFORE discord
0 likesx3 I still agree with ILoveKimPossibleAlot
1 liketo bad for you the comics show star swirl the bearded alive and AS A PONY post Luna's banishment and Luna fought Discord. Finally killing this theory once and for all.
0 likesI love the movie you talked a little about!
0 likesI actually agree, the swamping thing I actually freken agree, what if he did that spell on the animals he is parts of, then he got spawped into them, think about it, if u don't agree tell me nicely, plz I HATE getting yelled at ;-;, anyways that's my agree on the spell.
0 likesCan you not accept that discord has a species and the rest of them dided out
0 likesjust to let you know just to say discord was c and l pet before he ran away came back and started wreaking hevok on everypony
0 likesdiscord is not star swirl the bearded!!!
1 likebut on the last episode on mlp that every body saw was twightlights kingdom and discored said he had friendship but he was friends with celestia & luna so mabye if im right starswirl aka discord had to be friends with celestias parents so is discord was bff's with luna and celestia or friends with them he would have told them he was and is starswirl
0 likesand maybe the princess are the only 2 that know that if star swral changed into discored he could of gone crazy but to protect his old image they kept it quiet wont say anything abot it?
0 likes1:17 wow, way to be racist and butter it up at the same time. I didn't even know that was possible.
0 likesstarswirl is a goat pony thingie!
0 likesand discord was a baby once
1 likeHmn I disagree. Starswirl the Bearded was a magical unicorn or whatever. But. He wasnt really evil. Like when Twilight sparkle dressed at him and in threes a crowd, they showed artifacts. Anywho, Discord was alive since he met Celestia and Luna. But its confusing if Discord turned into a tall, pony with different animal pieces, also evil, then Starswirl wasnt a unicorn or good. In the episode Mystery Cure, Celestia said that He never finished the spell, since he didnt know friendship like Twilight. This is very confusing. Also the video has a good theory.
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Discord was evil and dis-harmony. Many years before Starswirled appeared
0 likes@Emily Meija at 1:46 he does have a good point there.
0 likesUHH BUT DISCORD NEVER HAD FRIENDS. SO DID STARSWIRL.. I dont really get it.
0 likes2:02 CELESTIA SAID UNICORN. IM PRETTY SURE DISCORD IS NOT A UNICORN
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The idea is he went from being a unicorn to a mish-mash of everything. He's not a unicorn anymore. I used to hold this theory as possible, but it has been proven wrong, as we'll see in my next video next Wednesday.
3 likesIt's Tia not celly
2 likesKim shall know of this
1 likemind...blown...like..WOW, I never really thought of it, now I have to find out more! O.O
1 likephantom out poof
just blew my mind
0 likesYou deserve more subs
0 likesso you're saying that Discord could be Star Swirl the Bearded himself,Really
1 likecause that in possible for that to happen
Star Swirl Left,Then Discord Appeared
And Awnser to the Future of Discord Earth Pony Friend is this Season 4
There a Episode called Keep Calm and Flutter on
that where discord is free once again but this time He Try to use his power for Good with Fluttershy who will help him using his power for good
Omg I'm so sorry. My brother posted that, But I don't believe Starswirl the bearded is not Discord
0 likeswait a second....You said that star swirl the bearded hasn't got any friend .How do you now it??İt saying start swirl the bearded was not able to do because he did not UNDERSTAND the friendship like YOU do.
0 likes1.twilight is understand the friendship more than star swirl the bearded
2.Celestia isn't saying that swirl the bearded hasn't got any friend (or something like that).She saying star swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship.It doesn't means star Swirl the bearded hasn't got any friends.It 's not saying that
(3.'w' hi)(and I wrote soooo much)
Great idea I'm gonna subscribe you!!
0 likeswhen discord is in the stone scorpan became a friend of stwirl.for this discord is not stwirl the bearded
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But how do you know that?
0 likes@The Brony Notion I love this theory, but it can't possibly be correct because it was disproven by Twilight's Kingdom. When Tirek met Discord, he seemed to know him. But Star Swirl and Scorpan put Tirek back to Tartarus, meaning that Star Swirl is STILL ALIVE AFTER Tirek was put back to Tartarus. And since Tirek knew Discord, Star Swirl and Discord sadly can't possibly be the same.
0 likes@TheSpeedymouse I did consider this, but if you watch the scene where Discord and Tirek were talking, Tirek didn't seem to know discord personally. He may have learned about Discord by seeing his statue while he was slowly gaining power. Lines like "I congratulate you on you're escape" would hint that he's only seen the frozen version of Discord. /)
1 like@The Brony Notion That's essentially what he said. Because Discord was stone, Discord never met Tirak and Scorpan. They however knew of Discord. Scorpan became friends with Star Swirl while Discord was stone. Thus, Star Swirl isn't Discord.
1 like@Angelica Sergeychik Care to give a direct quote? Not being a master of friendship does not mean one has no friends.
0 likesHe must be! I'm sticking with the brony notion this time! And they look alike example they both have beards, the spell must have backfired on him, changing his form,and taking over him completely , making him forget everything he ever experienced, turning him into the master of Chaos!
0 likes@Keira Southam You're reaching.
0 likesumm atcullay he was a king long ago before star swirl
1 likeExplain that adding pretty much all other history in and the way you explain it doesn't work.
0 likesOK maybe this i am starswirls apprentice thing was a mistake like celestias nephew
0 likesomg i have so much inspiration for this idea. would it be OK i wrote a fan fic about this theory of yours. it would be amazing if that would be OK with you
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It's actually not my theory! Even if it was, by all means, go ahead! Message me when you've finished it so I can read it! /)
0 likesok :D awesome
1 likeheres the first chapter
1 likehttp://www.fimfiction.net/story/192157/1/the-fading-stars-of-discord/friends-or-fans
let me know what you think
I love it so far! Comet is adorable! Just minor spelling errors here and there, like laughed historically instead of hysterically, and stuff like starting sentences with lower case letters. Keep going with this story! /)
0 likeslol thanks. i will
1 likefinished the second chapter. hope i did a bit better on some things
1 likehttp://www.fimfiction.net/story/192157/2/the-fading-stars-of-discord/to-little-to-late
that acually sounds . . . possible, but take in to consideration this song than think of how this fits in 4everfreebrony & DragonwolfRooke - Starswirl's Frankenstein
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Now that is an interesting concept. I think I still like mine better though.
0 likes@***** really? -_-
0 likes@***** i meant all that stuff you said was unnecessary.
0 likes@***** this meaning its just an icon so its pointless, hell, we shouldn't even be having this conversation its so pointless.
0 likesI don't mind, I don't care if I get hate or love it's all good to me :)
0 likeswow your so good at this job your just so awesome and that is sooooooo cool and I really get itit makes tons of sense
0 likestrue and possible but...!read the comics StarSwirl IS CELESTIA'S COMPANION!!!
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Noted. Thanks, I put up an annotation saying that and also stating that many people don't consider them to be canon. /)
0 likesoh sorry ^^' I don't usually have annotations on
0 likes@The Brony Notion Simply put, I wish I could remember where, but it has been stated by both hasbro and Andy Price(Artist/Author) that the comics are Cannon, UNTIL the show says otherwise. As such, if the cartoon doesn't break something in the comic story, then the comic story is official.
0 likesah yes sorry forgot about that
0 likesAlso @*****'s theory also tops your theory, how would he be in two places when he was a statue, i mean cmon
0 likesi disagree with you yes your theory may be true think of this. I belive that twilight even said the Star Swirl was long gone even before discord was introduced to the show. Now never was Celestia and Star Swirl an idem before concidering the fact that he is WAY older than celetia in the regular pony age.
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me too i'm done with this conflift
0 likesyea so I one Other voice actor that is going to be auditioning for twilight and celestia i think
0 likeslol
0 likesBut how about trxie the magican in pony ville :°
0 likesthay never say that he not had friends, only that he don't understand it like twilight do. Star Swirl the Bearded know about the element of harmony? But if he didn't know how can his spell change the element of harmony. But if he didn't had friends i think this spell was a try to make ponies to be his friend. Discord didn't know what the element of harmony did so he had never found them, so he can't have make a spell that change the elements. This is what i don't found strong enough to belive this. Have a nice day
0 likesHe is NOT star swirl !!!!!!!!
0 likesWatch the history of equestria by inc rose DISCORD WAS ALWAYS THERE
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...according to that theory.
0 likesDidn't inkrose sed he died?!
0 likesdiscord is starswirl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesdiscord also ha a beard......
1 likeso scorban friended discord
0 likesAwesome
0 likesI don't mean to be a hater but wasn't discord parents part of the choes word or something
0 likesHey The Brony Notion c: I am planning to make videoes like you in the future, but I wonder of something; Where do you get the clips and which program do you use? ^^
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There's a free program called you tube downloader, or YTD. You can put the web link of any video into it, and download them from the internet. I just download episodes from dailymotion.com since YouTube took down all the episodes. I use a program called Adobe Premier Elements 11, but it's not free :(. I hope this helped. :3
1 likeBut if I use the Youtube downloader to download a song and then upload it on youtube, won't YouTube flag/ban me because of copyrights? :s
0 likes@Shadeila if you put a dissclamier it wont
0 likesOkay,thank you!
0 likes@Shadeila You can use Screencastomatic the link is www.screencase-o-matic.com/screen_recorder Its free u may need 2 download it but its free. 15 min. for free but when u buy it it can be 1 whole hour. Idk how much it cost because i use free but Screencast is probaly the best screen recorder i've seen
0 likesI bet he is not I guess 😐 meep
1 likeYay!
0 likesReepicheep!
CLOVERR THA CLEVERR
0 likesLOOMINARTY!
0 likesMaybe Discord IS Starswirl The Beardet?...................
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*bearded
0 likesHe is not she said a great unicorn
0 likesHow old is celestia
0 likesIt in the history of ecrestia we see baby discord and baby luna and celestia
0 likesha well looks like kp was right wach the seson 4 finailey and see for your slef
0 likesyou go it all wrong!! >:(
0 likeswho knows mybee it'll happen in the fucther sorry for the grammar.
0 likesyour realy right
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No wait your wrong DISCORD IS SO SWEET
0 likesI TOTALY DISAGRE WHITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 likegood argument
0 likesUm hello clover f.r.e.n.d!
0 likesDiscord is not star swirl
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also star swirl was celesta's student. after he died discord came to power
0 likesdat make sense.
0 likesSister*
0 likesha ha NO
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0 likesOoooooooooooo
0 likesIncorrect because star swirl was resurected
0 likesMaybe
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0 likesNo
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0 likesWatch the season 7 finale
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OMG this video came out long before season 7!!!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡
1 likePuratirs
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0 likesS 7
0 likes2018 find like
0 likesGah boring
0 likesWatch season 7 dude
0 likesYou are wrong vary wrong ✖❌
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0 likesNow season 8 is out and star swirl is here now and discord is also here soo....
0 likesI don't like this therey
0 likesvid I meant
0 likesHi and yay
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0 likesUhhhhhhhhh
0 likesKk
Discord is not Stars swirl
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0 likesthe vidio
0 likesboo
0 likesLlo are en da pas a arede se staver he es no stafer.😒😑😔
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