i think that discord is both because in one of the episodes star swirl is back and gets to live in equestria again but discord still has been roaming around. but it would be cool if it was because discord wasn't in the whole episode.


there's just one problem...Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl as he was there mentor


This theory was good while it lasted, oh well


I recently discovered another reason why discord could be star swirl!! So we know from Rainbow Rocks that Star Swirl knew a spell to banish the sirens to another dimension through a portal, right? Well, in mlp series 5 episode 7, we see discord, almost at the end of the episode, use his claw to open up a portal TO ANOTHER DIMENSION!!! the evidence is there, I'm just saying....


@The Brony Notion are you saying that not even Celestia nor Luna knew ANYTHING about star swirl the bearded's transformation? Also, when discord was reformed, how come he didn't return to his original state? When you explained that the reason of star swirl's "body swicharo" was because of the magic spell, it kinda made sense. But now i'm wondering. If the magic of friendship was able to give the ponies back their cutie marks after they had switched, how come the reformation of discord didn't turn him back to star swirl? He could have done that on purpose, but if not, the theory still makes sense. :) I hope you consider my thoughts on this intresting theory, <br>~Kitty

@The Brony Notion are you saying that not even Celestia nor Luna knew ANYTHING about star swirl the bearded's transformation? Also, when discord was reformed, how come he didn't return to his original state? When you explained that the reason of star swirl's "body swicharo" was because of the magic spell, it kinda made sense. But now i'm wondering. If the magic of friendship was able to give the ponies back their cutie marks after they had switched, how come the reformation of discord didn't turn him back to star swirl? He could have done that on purpose, but if not, the theory still makes sense. :) I hope you consider my thoughts on this intresting theory,
~Kitty


I understand starswirl was a very powerful unicorn but how do u know it was a spell that he cast upon himself?


Wouldn't it be great if this was confirmed and he turned back? It'd be bad in a lot of ways though.. fluttershy likes him most likely because he is a mix of animals, and that's her talent. What if he transformed back, and instead of fluttershy liking him, now twilight does.. after all, she obsesses over starswirl for a while. And I mean just close friend liking, not a relationship or whatever.


You said that maybe they didn't realize Discord was Star Swirl because they didn't think the events were connected, but just saying, maybe they thought Discord killed/ captured Star Swirl? This is just a random idea, don't mean to be rude.


Starswirl the Bearded isn't a popular pony of sorts like an alicorn. He is getting to look more weaker as Starlight Glimmer in Season 5: Episode 24-25 and Season 3 or 4 finale when Twilight breaks the spell of the switched cutie marks. I would say that Starswirl looks to be weak and more unlikely to be god if ever. Does anyone agree to this? Adding Starswirl the Bearded really doesn't glimmer anything like no one did this because many of his spells were possible and I'm sure if a powerful unicorn like Starlight Glimmer and Twilight, the princess of friendship, then Celestia, Luna or even possibly every single unicorn can do these spells.


he doesn't have enough evidence that star swirl turned into discord. it never proves or disproves that he did so... technical no body knows for sure that discord is star swirl


well with the new ep it gives more ammo to the fact discord is star swirl


I think mlp would be a much more interesting series if these theories where true.


Watch the season 7 finale.

Edit: Wow, so many headcanons are being destroyed in season 7! Applejack's parents, the Shadow Pony, the Starswirl the Bearded = Discord Theory, and some other small ones.


Starswirl cant be discord because the season finale of season 7. Also, didn't Starswirl teach Luna and Celestia??


I don't believe that star swirl is discord, if he was, wouldn't the writers have made that cannon by now?


The episode Where Star Swirl returns just through your theory in the dumpster


One problem celestial knew him and was around during her rule in the beginning and discord was in ston at that time


I know this is an old post but I have to point out that Discord is to Star Swirl bc Celestia said Star Swirl had no friends, neither did Discord (until the mane six.) Discord was maybe looking for friends bc he had none in his past form and is trying to understand it like Twilight? he never knew what it was or felt like so he doesn't know how to act in friendship. that's why he acts so well mean when he's with the mane six (with the exception of Fluttershy bc she understands him)


wait, if celestia and luna were around for MORE than 1000 years, wouldn't that make them immortal?


i like how you changed your character. But i don`t your theory is right. I think that star swirl the bearded acutally never had friends so he didn`t understand friendship, he wrote the spell to try and understand friendship, but scince he never had friends, he could not get the spell properly. I think he left that spell, because he new a young pony will perfectify the true spell of friendship.


Thats highly unlikely because the journal of the 2 sisters


It seems highly likely that Discord is Star Swirl


Wait a minute in the book the journal of the two sisters star swirl had a brown beard but if he turned into discord how is discord still alive one of star swirls never ending life spells from his library?


its possible but dosnt sound like the writers will actually do so but until we see starswirls Tome we cant confirm nor deny this theory


And then season 7 decided to end off by proving everything you said in this video wrong


if discord really is made up of switched parts because just as the cutie mark switching spell SWAPPED the cutie marks the spell would have to switch body parts  so the other creatures who took part in the switching would be associated with the hybrid discord and so remembered in history


If discord is star swirl, wouldn't celestia have known this and possibly told twighlight?


I kinda wished starswirl was discord. The whole concept was pretty cool to think about. Too bad....


Star Swirl the bearded is not Discord. When he and the pillars banished the shadow Pony they got sucked into an alternate universe.


i find it hard to believe but i think its a nice theory, mind blowing, but cool


TheBronyNotion I have another theory of why discord and star swirl the bearded are the same,

Celestia said that star swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship so he didn't have any friends. But in the episode "Keep calm and Flutter on" Discord didn't have any friends too and he didn't want to lose his only friend Fluttershy and then learnt about friendship. Besides! Star swirl's and Discord's beard are similar! So um yeah, this is my theory but I might be wrong...WHO KNOWS? (Only hasbro XD)


Could you please do "who or what is the Spirit of Harmony?" Because discord is the mischievous spirit of disharmony and you did a video about the elements of disharmony so, COULD YOU PLEASE DO IT? PLEASE!!!!


hey, I invite you on reading the comics, we learn a lot about Star Wirl and the fact he was there when Luna has been banished ^^


Discord said "Because we're FRIENDS" to someone (I forgot :3) and that means that Discord and Flutters are FRIENDS nothing else I dont think the writers are gonna let a 19 year old pony and a 1000+ spirit of chaos be together it- its just wrong


At 2:07 Celestia says "not even a great unicorn like star swirl the bearded" So that brings a downside to the theory

Edit : Oh  now i know. sorry for the trouble

At 2:07 Celestia says "not even a great *unicorn* like star swirl the bearded" So that brings a downside to the theory

Edit : Oh  now i know. sorry for the trouble


Star swirl helped celestial during when Luna started to get a bit dark. Theory wrong!


If the staff of DHX state that this isn't true, LISTEN TO THEM THEY OWN THE SHOW


I don't honestly think discord is star swirled the bearded.#1 because as far I know from reading all the mlp idw comics star swirled the bearded is dead. And there is a couple pages with discord and star swirled talking to each other in an alternative universe.#2 Since discord was imprisoned in stone for a while it is unlikely that he had the possibility of somehow being in star swirled's body at that time.


You are wrong because if you look near the end of the return of the crystal empire part two, Luna holds up a book with star swirls cutie mark on it. Meaning that star swirl must have messed up a spell corrupting him making him turn into the corrupted version of himself: King Sombra!


hmmmmm... this would make a lot... and i mean a LOT of sense because of discord's beard AND the fact that like starswirled, his pony form is that of a GRAY pony. perhaps the tornado cutie mark on discord has pinpoints of light inside... as most ponies names also reflect their cutie marks... Star, swirled... swirling stars, it makes sense.


I think starsworld the beard wanted to see celestia grow up so he used a time age spell thingy and it goes wrong but his shadow took all the magic from him and he changed to discord but his shadow is the shadow pony


This isn't true because in Shadow Play (Season 7) Starswirl  the bearded comes back from a limbo


There are people who have "friends" but don't know how exactly to act? I also thought Star Swirled the Bearded was their friends wheb they ruled....


Check out conspirapon3's version of starswirl-discord. It has the same premise, but its a slightly different outlook.


You and kp are correct because of the multi verse theory made by conspirapony about how all head cannons and stuff are true in different dimensions of the same show so if I were to say that derpy is a leader of equestria who rules over in a age of prosperity a d muffins it would be true In 1 mlp dimension 😃


Or what if starswirl's friends were not ponies and were just different animals, which would explain his power to transform them


I completely disagree with discord being star swirl. but BTW<br>I♥ Discord

I completely disagree with discord being star swirl. but BTW
I♥ Discord


There's evidence in both the show and comics to disprove the theory:


Anyone else notice that at 1:16 the symbol around Celestia's head is Twilight's cutie mark? I know it's supposed to be her magic, but makes me wonder...


I have ahypothisis , I believe that  Star swirl is the pony version or the great wizard Merlin.I've thought this since I first heard the name Canterlotand his name, Canterlot is clearly Camelot like Manehatten is Manhattan or anyof the other horse named cities. Merlin was a great wizard from somewhere in the british isle, though no one can clearly point where, and he was to help Arthur become a great king, and as leagand says he will reappear when arthur is reborne,  in mlp we know there is a arrogent selfish pratty, prince named blueblood, who is Luna and celestias nephew and cadance's cousin, suggesting there is another royal yet to be named, if we look at the show merlin, it too shows arthur as arrogent and pratty,  so if a combine of these to, it could show that maybe blueblood is the pony version of arthur, and starswirl didnt get exiled but is just waiting for " arthurs" reincarnate prehaps is it blueblood but since the show focuses on twilight she could be the reincarnate in the movie avalon high arthur was reincarnate into a girl maybe that could have happened here that could help with your other vids like the one saying twilight is clover the clever maybe she was and was simply reincarnate  the show never really shows death so I could be wrong I would love to hear what you think about this point of view and love to hear what your opinion on the magic ties with merlin concepts.


that couldn't be true because Starswirl teaches Celestia and Luna lots of new spells and Celestia, Luna knew Discord as a baby draconacus already and Discord hid from other ponies so Starswirl is not Discord.


this is a good theory.<br>however- i doubt discord IS starswhirl

this is a good theory.
however- i doubt discord IS starswhirl


I think that in the future discord will transform back into starswirl the bearded


I guess the recent episodes kill this theory.


Discord is not starswirled. In the season 7 finally starswirled was relaesed from LIMBO while banishing The Pony Of Shadows.


Ok discord is not starswirl and anyone can have a beard Most of the villains don’t know friendship and starswirl was stuck in limbo


You make an excellent point daHunter3000 but mabye he turned into discord AFTER scorpan went home. Met tirek and was imprisoned in stone


But IF Discord IS StarSwirl, what spell turned him from a Unicorn to a draconequus? have we ever seen any spell like this, and then it would turn his whole mind set and basically make his mental age that of a childs....


I simply say that discord can't be star swirl the bearded, it wouldn't make sence to me.


Hej Brony! The spell that Star Swirls did created CHAOS for the mane six.


I know this is a old video but in season 7 they found starswirl and some legends but discord was still there. So your theory is wrong.


He's not Starswirl, watch the final of season 7. Starswirl was trapped.


So, the spirit of chaos took over the world and then was banished for a 1,000 years, making an age of peace. Then, the spirit of chaos was loosed for a short time before being bound again and then put through a process that turns him peaceful. Anyone else notice that they used the Book of Revelation as a model for the timeline of Equestria? From that perspective, the Equestria we know is the promised New Earth. Yes, there are deviations. I'm only saying that they used Revelation's imagery and apparent "timeline" as a starting point for their own stories.

Also, was Discord banished before the time of the Sun and Moon, or after Celestia and Luna had taken up their diurnal posts? I don't recall that ever being mentioned.


there is a thing you where wrong. Princess Celestia said that Star Swril the Bearded didnt understand friendship like Twilight. BUT she didnt say that he didnt had any friedns. hope im not too late to write it :)


It's a great theory, but it's been disproven by this past season


Star Swirl Is actully not Discord but they almost have the same powers like traveling dimensions or making portals and star swirl was not immortal the last spell he encounter was before star swirl died and Scorpan befriended star swirl for support so that means star swirl does have friends like clover the clever was his mentor or a student or apprentice and having a friend is like meeting someone and having a little talk or if you are a kid then you play or if it last long they are friends or as you known his/her for a long time and being someones mentor takes like a wizards apprentice and discord was actully around when Star Swirl was around and the spell "From one to another, another to one. A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled." it was an unfinished spell so that means star swirl died When he made the spell


What if discord is not the only person to know Star Swirl the bearded transformed into discord, what if Celestia knows too? In "keep calm and flutter on" Celestia says that his magic could be used for good (maybe like he used too as star swirled the bearded), and in "magical mystery cure" Celestia clearly states that she felt star swirled the bearded was great at magic, but what if for some reason both of them are keeping it a secret. Also in your other video about mlp's mythological creatures and how discord could have created the chimera-like creature, but what if it was created when star swirled the bearded transformed? If you think about it the chimera is a lion, snake and goat all put together and discord has a goat leg, a snake tail, and a lions paw. the only problem is that there was not a lion, but a tiger so I was wondering what you thought about this?


Bruh, I still don't agree. Although you do make valid points, I have to agree with Kim.


A thereby to why discord is star swirl the bearded is that star swirl had an unusually long beard and Tail that were both white and discord has a beard and a tuft or white tail.


"He finds a way to become immortal" Me: IMMORTALS!! IMMORTALS!!! JUST NOOOT FOR LOOOONG FOR LOOOONG!!!! Who else thought that?


I have a question. I think that Discord is Star Swirl but why did he change his name to discord. It obviously means something. Its not showing up as a misspelled word as most names are. So what does it mean?


I agree. That is all. <b>Floats away</b>


i say that Discord was born around the same the that Celestia was born. why do i say this u may ask. well i saw a video about the history of Celestia, Luna, and Discord. she said that Celestia and Luna's father and mother went to war with Discord's mom and dad but the 3 kids didn't know this so when they saw the small strange creature, Discord they asked him what he was doing. he said he was looking for his parents so the 3 decide to go look for moms and dads they find equestria and after that Discord didn't feel at home at equestria being rejected by every pony. then his destiny took over him and plunged equestria into CrAsY WaCkY ok u know what i mean. but this is made up but i do like the theory of it like this comment if u agree

I liked Ink rose's story too but, I highly doubt the story itself is true though, the part about them being born at around the same time is a good idea


I love how I (jk) was afraid of Discord. Now, we are family!


Makes a lot of sense. I did also think that...... And I think he IS star swirl


I don't think Discord is Star Swirl, because I remember an episode of mlp that showed Celestia's past . . . and she was friends with Discord while he was still a young child but they became enemies because of a war between there species . . . I think it might have been a fan made video on YouTube.


I'm sorry, I like the theory but in the journal of the two sisters they were mentored by star swirl. So basically...your theory's rong.


Jossed in Fiendship is Magic comic where Discord was in the king's, Tirek's dad's, court.


I think star swirl was dead and discord was friends with the princesses or had a realashinship with them and they had an accident and then discord turned against them for that cause and tried taking over equestria and if the princesses don't recognize discord it's possible that discord put a spell on them at all.but also a chance you are right that discord is star swirl.


Thanks to the season 7 finale, this theory is officially dead.


Star Swirl only disappeared to defeat the Shadow Pony in Limbo


But what about the comics that show Celestia and Luna being Starswirl's students?

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I feel like star swirl is twilight ' s grandfather.


this theory is good. Discord is as magical as Star swirl <br>Star swirl= Discord. Discord confirmed

this theory is good. Discord is as magical as Star swirl
Star swirl= Discord. Discord confirmed


Discord can't be starswirl because of the season 7 finale.


I disagree on you on season seven episode twenty-five stars swirl a bearded came back from limbo to equestia


"Inner Glory" is a good reference to this


The princess said "even a great powerful UNICORN couldn't do."


Now i am questioning whether or not the brony notion oc is made with a pony creator


in the journal of the 2 princesses it states that celestia and luna were friends with starswirl


also"he didn't understand friendship like you do." that's why he has a hard time making friends with the other ponies.


i like the way he calls princess celestia 'celly' LOL


it says in the comics that starswirl was celests mentor


my og theory was that celestia and discord used to be a thing but then she broke his heart so he decided to become the supreme of disharmony as “revenge” or as a way to cope with the pain so then celestia defeated him and claims he was a for but on the inside shes heartbroken

this is kinda dumb but whatev


Well, Discord MIGHT be Star Swirl, but your evidence for that is incorrect. Star Swirl had friends. "The Journal of the Two Sisters" says he was friends with Celestia and Luna, and "The Journal of the Two Sisters" is canon because it's in the show and Twilight read a bit out loud. Celestia did say he didn't understand friendship like Twilight does, but that doesn't mean he didn't understand friendship at all. He just didn't understand it as well as Twilight does. And Luna and Celestia were definitely already princesses when they defeated Discord, even if you don't consider "The Journal of the Two Sisters" canon. They already were wearing crowns. But Star Swirl turning into Discord would explain a few things. For example, why would Celestia and Luna not try to defeat Discord right away? They didn't want to hurt their friend and they only used the Elements of Harmony to defeat him when he became too much of a problem. How in the world were Celestia and Luna able to use the Elements of Harmony when Celestia was a bad friend and unkind (she didn't do anything about Luna's suffering), meaning she isn't the Element of Kindness or the Element of Magic (that does mean he magic of friendship, right?), and Luna was probably miserable and later became nightmare moon, meaning she can't be the Element of Laughter or the Element of Loyalty? They represented those elements just fine when they defeated Discord, but afterwards, Luna thought there wasn't anypony left who appreciated her night, and it caused a big change in her. Now I'll have to think of an explanation for WHY Star Swirl turned into Discord, because now I want to use this in my fan fiction.

@Sabina McManes In "The Journal of the Two Sisters" (on page 64, to be more precise), Celestia says that Star Swirl is working on a very complex spell involving cutie marks which she thinks he may never finish. I think it's implied that that's the spell that switched the Mane Six's cutie marks. It wasn't originally intended to have anything to do with the Elements of Harmony. Hmm, perhaps the spell only works right if the caster has an extra special connection with their friends. Before it was finished, it took something like the Elements of Harmony connecting a group of friends for it to affect the friends' cutie marks, so when it was cast by a pony who didn't have a connection like that, it only affected the caster of the spell, which is what caused Star Swirl's transformation into Discord.

Yes but first the two sisters didn't  represent all the elements like the mane six with enough bearer there fore he switched his body and there alicorns maybe they were born princesses  that I have to say but anything in the comics or games or anything besides the journal of the to sister reallisn't cannon🍩😜


I believe that maybe Discord is a friend of Starswirl


I can't wait for Kim gloat OML that will be so funny.


i don't agree with this theory because as we learn in magical mystery cure starswirl was very testy for say with magic i mean messing with cutie marks come on dude but turning into discord would have given him new caotic powers he wouldn't wait to use them and tirek new bolth starswil and discord nd we all know that his attempt to take over ended in about a day when discord came long after<br>soooooooo no

i don't agree with this theory because as we learn in magical mystery cure starswirl was very testy for say with magic i mean messing with cutie marks come on dude but turning into discord would have given him new caotic powers he wouldn't wait to use them and tirek new bolth starswil and discord nd we all know that his attempt to take over ended in about a day when discord came long after
soooooooo no


Its really sad because I love this theory and because of season 7 its not canon :( I wish it was though


The thing is ponies are kept in the dark. Alot the only who knows true events are the princesses, Twilight who was destined to be a princess and her friends who are the keeper of the elements of harmony Equestria's only defense so they need to know the truth.


But Celestia says that Discord is a sprit of disharmony and chaos. But StarSwirl the Bearded is a real pony not a sprit. . .


but hasbro and the wroters have agreed that the IDW comics are a second teir of continuity making everything in the comics true in the pony world unless it DIRECTLY disagrees with the ACTUAL show and in the period of time that comics 17-20 (the flashbacks within the comics 17-20) are set in is Celestia's riegn of peace, and within one of the flashbacks where Celestia sees the Luna from the alternate world it explains that Celestia has been missing Luna for a long time. What proves this theory wrong is that star swirl is with her in those flashbacks. This after discord is sealed in stone because its in Celestia's reign alone which makes clear that star swirl is not Discord or Sombra.


I can see where your going with this there looks are close and the time line seems close but when he becomes friends with fluttershy he says hes never had a friend maybe the spell wiped his mind im not sure but ither way even though i like starswirl discord will be remerbered as the creature of chaose ps spelling not all good 😉


In your time-line in the end of the video, you spelled celestia as celly


I would have forgive your inaccuracy if you didn't have that smug expression.


I read in a fan comic that Star Swirl became Sombra.


So your saying that discord, the guy who turned the mane 6 into the opposites of them selfs, is beardy


your completely forgetting about lunas transformation into nightmare moon.


Star Swirl the bearded appeared in the background during Princess Luna's down fall into Nightmare Moon


Star swirl the bearded didn't know friendship like you do : Magical Mystery Cute

Discord didn't know friendship

😞


well I agree with Ilovekimpossible because Celestia and Luna knew star swirl before he disappeared and rose them into power, and then he disappears


Wait, the spirit of disharmony? The mane (hehe get it?) six are the spirits of harmony! 😱 the elements of disharmony must be real!


I have an idea that could be true Discord is starswirl because maybe Discord is only able to start world was trying a spell like the spells that made Sunset and Twilight evil except there's a little different and then he the power took over him and that's why he became evil and his transformation trance form into Discord


Season 7 and the Legends Arc: Hold my milkshake.


They both have beards.

Done.
He's starswirl


This theory was good but the show took a different run


"Starswirl probably didn't have friends."<br>Rekt

"Starswirl probably didn't have friends."
Rekt


soo true, on Halloween which means evil stuff, twilight dresses as star swirl but why. If he was discord, it would make sense, if not idk


It seems that you have a point, but discord has some friends now like fluttershy or the mane 6. How will that explain it?


The princesses were already in power because
1 they are alicorns so they would be automatically be roalty
2 they had lots of jewelry and they had crowns if they were just rich and they bought all that if im mistaken then there should be at least one jewelry shop but they never show one!


Brony notion is like the mama bear to this theory.

I’m so sorry you lost your cub :(


Something is wrong here, you couldnt know that butt... starswirl had friends :D
Scorpan the brother of tirek is officaly befriended with him.
Source: Tireks backroundstory, Celestia and Luna told the story


considering the spoiler of season 7 finale with someone releasing it early... that theory is debunked.


One of discord's horn does seem like a twisted unicorn horn


and this theory is finally proven wrong!

to this I give a simple yay


Now we know that we know that a birth of an Alice in has never happened until flurry heart was born I wonder if celestia and Luna became alicorns by Turing discord into a skull :)


Actually, i have to agree with KP this time, because Tirek heard of Discord and if he heard of Discord, then it's because his threat came after Discord's fist defeat by Princess Celestia and Princess Luna, and Star Swirl the Bearded was there when Tirek attacked, he even befriended Scorpan, and also when Discord was told to capture Tirek they were meeting for the first time, so he had no idea whom he was before, and if he was Star Swirl he would have recognized Scorpan's necklace. Sorry but this time your theory is wrong.

@Jean Dutra And you said that nothing IN THE SHOW can prove the theory wrong and that comics are not canon, i'm sorry, but there's not a straight anwser for that, the creators said that if the comics are canon or not, that's up to fans to decide.

@Jean Dutra Also, the spell switch Cutie Marks, IT DOES NOT CHANGE APPEARANCE.


in Twilight's kingdom it stats that tireks brother befriended starswirl and tirek seem to have know of discord before this


Star swirl is not discord<br>Star swirl was pulled into limbo with the shadow pony and the pillers

Star swirl is not discord
Star swirl was pulled into limbo with the shadow pony and the pillers


This has been disproved in the season 7 finale XD


Sawtooth : starswirl is discord<br>*me in 2021 : I'm about to end this changlings whole theory

Sawtooth : starswirl is discord
*me in 2021 : I'm about to end this changlings whole theory


It does make sense but we all know it's not true.


We've all seen season 7 he was sent to Limbo '-' with his FRIENDS. Stopping a shadow pony. But good theory now you know it was wrong we all learned! :D


yeah but in the comments we can see that the mentor of the two princesses was starswirl


But why would star swirl ever turn evil?


actually in the book of mlp (this gen) discord was born as his species look it up

@Dino Tex and discord used to be celly and lunas friend


Celestia and Luna were alicorns before the rose to power. Does that mean that there are more alicorns?


There's only one thing stopping this theory in it's path. The season 7 Final. ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡


It would not switch his body parts. It just would never happen in mop


yes but theres a flaw in your idea writers say and the comics back me up that discord is the last draconicus meaning that there were more of his kind.So there forth STAR SWIRL IS NOT DISCORD in your face


There is something. Not in the show, but in the journal of the sisters.


I used to believe this theory but then the S7 finale happened and now the theory is dead.


In Twilight's Kingdom pt 1 Discord turned into a pony. So if he was a pony and he  turned into that, but he could turn back to a pony, why wouldn't he?

I was so happy to see is cutie mark, even if it was just a tornado


So the brony notion here's my teroy <b>I spell very badly</b> so discord would be star swirl because in the episode where he gives her the staff and all or other episodes sometimes he would say " I thought we were friends" or " would you be a friend and get this for me" and other crap. so this would mean that he was clearly star swirl cause he wanted the mane six to be his friends just like star swirl who wanted friends but never got any. please reply and tell what u think about my teroy. peace

So the brony notion here's my teroy *I spell very badly* so discord would be star swirl because in the episode where he gives her the staff and all or other episodes sometimes he would say " I thought we were friends" or " would you be a friend and get this for me" and other crap. so this would mean that he was clearly star swirl cause he wanted the mane six to be his friends just like star swirl who wanted friends but never got any. please reply and tell what u think about my teroy. peace


tbh, this video is what got me to watch kp in the first place.


I really do think this court is star swirl the bearded but maybe Silesia banished him for a long time because his magic it was too high advance and as explained earlier something about how discords diamention is in the middle of more dimensions so that could mean that he is star swirl the bearded cuz starts world the bearded transported the sirens two different place but if discord one to rule the whole entire question for himself then he would actually want the sirens gone so I and and when discord open the portal in one of them like that I haven't seen it will I sort of thing before I was only seen it once and stuff well is because as well he almost he was going to send Treehugger one of Fluttershy's other friends to another dimension


I agree  that  discord is star swirl.  Why? Look at both  of  their beards.


you foal! Starswirl didn't "become" Discord, he "created" Discord.


Stars swirl could be discord because in mlp season 5 episode 7 he does a dimension spell and in equestria girls rainbow rocks twilight says that  stars swirl banishes the sirens in to another dimension They both know the same spell i don't think that celestia could do it


It is called Starscroll The Bearded, not Star Swirl


This theory is definitely clever but outdated...


That guy you mentioned from Narnia... (I forgot what ot was called)...wasn't he Gally from The Maze Runner?


i agree that discord was once star swirl the beard and you make a lot of scents


well, it would swap is body? he is a full pony, things would be added, not swapped, so that would definitely be invalid, and he uses the spell, he couldn't figure it out, couldn't. figure. it. out. so he couldn't even use it, could he?


You're theory is bunk. Meghan McCarthy said Discord is not Starswirl the Bearded. Literally the people who make the show said NOOOOOOOO.

You're theory fails to hold up to any kind of merit on that alone. When the creators say no, then the answer is no. How can you possibly argue otherwise? Not to mention as the previous post has mentioned, that Starswirl was around when Discord was in stone.

On two accounts, your theory was debunked.


Discord's beard and eyebrows match Star Swirl the Bearded.....Just saying


sawtooth: nothing in the show can prove this theory wrong

me: welp,,,,, that changed XD


If Discord is Star Swirl The Bearded then why is he not a pony. Or some thing like that.


Not true because some explained to me that when the princess where younger there mum and dad went miss in a war the princess met discord and then found a little town where unicorns
lived all the unicorns tried raising the sun then celesta did the got taken to the waser unicorns and star sorrel the bearer was the boom ilovekimpossiblealot she rocks


Even i love this teory, the draconequus are know as a race not as individual character o monster


also it would cause the most adorable twily moments ever


But when starswirl returns from limbo back to equestria it would be mentioned if discord vanished and there is no mention to  that starswirl's spell first duplicated him and then turned him into discord, is there?

And also something I missed in my previous comment is that in season 2 - return of harmony Celestia mentioned that discord ruled before she and Luna did but they knew starswirl at that time.


maybe starlight is whole Different and Mysterious pony that we'll never knew


In a future episode you said discord lived between realms brakeing this theory apart so star swirl is not discord because star swirl is a pony so theory broke


so its not reasonable for you to add the magical mystery cure


WAIT WAIT WAIT!
I'm new, and from what I just heard, the main villan...
Is just a troll?


btw i heard discord say in season 4: "I'm reformed? Don't you remember?"


she said he was a unicorn in the clip. you just disproved your theory


Sorry bro, it isn't true. Watch the final from season 7. It will blo your mind!


If it's worth the risk on why does he want to destroy the tree of harmony


It’s already proven wrong sadly cuz star swirl appeared in the show R.I.P theory =(


"..but many don't consider theme canon."<br>Well then THEY'RE DUMB. :D

"..but many don't consider theme canon."
Well then THEY'RE DUMB. :D


Wait a minute I forgot what episode it was but didn't Star Swirl the bearded was befriended by Chopin


Discord is not Star swirl. They are just too different. Star swirl wants to protect equestria and discord wants to rule it and destroy it. ( used to anyway )


You must feel really stupid now to be honest with the season 7 finale XD


But discord''s name is discord how discord khan be the Star Swirl the Bearded


Its obvious you've put alot of effort into it, but it is VERY unlikely that discord is star swirl the bearded. It is a childrens cartoon after all, plus , discord doesn't seem to be THAT secretive and even if he was , he seems older than starswirl . . . What I'm trying to say is mabye all these draquoniquie were peacefully living in the evervree(everfree?) forest until some sort of war began between them and pony\ alicorns or something. Anyway, discord was also trapped in stone before tireks brother ' befriended ' a young unicorn and if you don't believe me he's SURPRISED that discord is free. Who said discord never had a friend? Are you sure they didn't mean he was never friends with a pony or someone loyal? Like a REAL friend. Maybe he was betrayed by somebody? We'll really never know , but, I stick next to my opinion that discord is NOT starswirl, it just doesn't feel right that he is. Anyway, its Friday, this is the longest comment I'VE wrote (people write more than me) and I have to watch markiplier, because . . . REASONS!!!


Eating pesas and throwing them already away

Jokes
I bet celestia used the elements of harmony bc discord threw pesas :p


The reason discord I mean stars world the  bearded disappeared is because he sent the pony of shows to limbo with the other totems


the pony's at 1:07 on the window have a close resemblance to Rarity,FlutterShy,and SweetieBell.


In the book THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS CELESTIA AND LUNA BOTH SAY they were taught in someway by STARSWIRLED THE BEAREDED and he was with them when being crowned. The book says nothing about him disappearing. So if you say that he disappeared before the coronation you ae WRONG.. I MAY BE missing so points but if you read the JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS you would clearly be abl to see where I am getting at.


Discord isn't him when twi was a princess the pillars were out of the limbo


Wilton one of your videos magic stones or something you said that mostly star swirl the bearded could not not have enough power to do it to make the elements of harmony but if the elements world if this cord with him and the elements were power if he knew that he was making something that powerful he must of been on Celestia and discord so Celestia and Luna side back then so my question is also how did he turn on Celestia and Luna in the first place is it because all the ponies in Equestria respected them or something I'm not quite sure or anything but I'm thinking you should at least try to make a video on why discord turned on Celestia and Luna if he is actually star swirl the bearded well and one time ago this one other YouTube videos I said something about the how the fate of Equestria was back then the discord with travel with them so maybe he wanted not to look like so you disguise himself as a pony and he call himself stars world the bearded so all the other ponies wouldn't laugh in one time he didn't have enough magic so he turned into the monster everybody laughed out of Princess Celestia and Luna tried to defend him but that want to help so then he turned against them and got all even stuff is what I'm guessing who that's a lot of stuff that I had stayed here long time


I'm watching this after this theory is confirmed false


you're wrong cuz in a new episode they showed what happened to starswirl the bearded he is stuck in limbo


when spike had said i think that he meant before they went into rule doesn't mean that they weren't alive.


where do the sirens come in the timeline? or let me rephrase, how long before discord do they come...?


What about the nightmare moon events...more time should have passed between Luna and celestia's rise and is off being turned to stone a second time


Discord isn't Star Swirl. One because Star Swirl selected Luna and Celestia to be princesses of Equestria. Discord came after this. Yes Star is before Celestia and Luna because he was very old when he met them. Also he was good friends with Tia and Luna. It was some time after Star Swirl had made them princesses and must be sometime before Luna was banished that they turned Discord into stone. Star Swirl disappeared after Luna was banished, while discord was still in stone. When he broke free, he showed no way of thinking about Tia or Luna. He had not known Luna was banished at any point, as, Star Swirl had. Therefore, proving wrong that discord isn't Star Swirl. Also, In the episode Luna Eclipsed, Luna suggests that twilight Is Star Swirl, but immediately corrects this when she realizes that he disappeared and recognizes that it's Twilight. She compliments her costume saying how she got it all correctly. You have good evidence, though! Good job trying to prove your point.


Star Swirl is definitely not Discord. I mean, why would you even want him to be? X3 Discord is way cooler as his own creature. I know that the show can't disprove your theory, but maybe the comics can? Because Discord was around long, long before Starswirl, dating back to when Tirek was a little dude. I recall the show stating that Scorpan befriended Starswirl as an adult bat-monkey-thing, and Discord was around before that. There are some inconsistencies in the show and comics, but I prefer to think that they are two different beings.

+Hasatanel Belial Yeah, which is why he's too old to be Starswirl. Unless Starswirl was immortal. X3

+Loryska Solvis (Lory) Discord was there in Tirek's origin comic.


but in the comics, Star Swirl was with Celestia when Luna was already banished to the moon.

The comics aren't necessarily canon. They do get looked over by the creators, but it's up to the reader to determine if they want it to be "canon".


And now this is just really a theory since star swirl really is a unicorn-not discord...


I don't know how to spell it but discord has a species the rest of his kind must have been oh I dunno "Killed" But I agree with 1 thing discord could've gone back in time to make himself immortal to get revenge but never told anybody. So they just thought he was evil for nothing like every villain has a reason right? So Discord has a species how do you spell it oh I dunno right. But his species might be extinct except for him like before pony's Before dragons before  monsters and stuff, Before FRIENDSHIP so how could he have learned it I think his species is like dragons they were born raised to fight and sombody had to lead, I'm not saying they are dragons because he has some features of other animals but this is highly expected, Ignore me I just point out facts and I'm also a theorist I'm not calling you wrong just sharing my thoughts! :D


NARNIA REFERENCE :D
Even though Usetess isn't always snobby.
No I cant spell one of my favorite characters names.


I think Starswirl created discord. Anyone heard the song Starswirl's Frankenstein?


It didn't say that he had no friends it said that he didn't understand friendship like twilight.


(sigh) it is always the ones that haven't seen the season 7 finale


Ok I'm sorry for saying this but if the creator of mlp fim clearly says that discord is not starsworld the bearded then it can not be true but still I could see why u made this vid


I'm from the future, DISCORD IS NOT STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED


celestia and luna have their crown and necklace things so i think the were already in power or recently were


STOP SAYING HE'S NOT STAR SWIRL THIS VIDEO IS OUTDATED!!!


your onto something and discord and trek are both evil but when you said discord was star swirl the bearded I instantly knew that star swirl the bearded was discord but when he became discord his pearsnality  changed


Sadly he is not Discord how Could there be Star Swirl and Discord in the season 7 finale At the same time?


honestly, this is so convinceing and well thought out. if i hadn't seen the whole thing already, I would have agreed!


I don't think Discord is like Star Swirl.


plus when discord befriends fluttershy he tries to preserve it for as long as possible


The journal of the two sisters disprove this theory.


Celecistia  ( I have no idea how to spell it ) has all the facts x3 like she knew how the day would end XD


what if he swapped other ponys and that's his reason for not having friends just saying


Is it strange that the timeline reminds my of a flute?


Oh,only THE CREATOR OF THE SHOW and a main character said your statement.seriously,i see close to no evidence in the show.a tad biased


discord has always been disord! he was born a jerkonoquist and a jerkonoquist is a species of rare creatures! duh!


i think that starswirl is discord but in a different video by ink rose she was talking about the two sisters and the history of equestria but she said that the two sisters found discord as a baby so I<br>i'm pretty sure that when starswirl began the to turn into discord he began as a baby and grew up to be who he is now

i think that starswirl is discord but in a different video by ink rose she was talking about the two sisters and the history of equestria but she said that the two sisters found discord as a baby so I
i'm pretty sure that when starswirl began the to turn into discord he began as a baby and grew up to be who he is now


DISCORD HAS A WHITE BEARD JUST LIKE STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED


I'm sorry
Season 7 ruined all of your science head cannons

I'm sorry
Season 7 ruined all of your _science head cannons_


In season 5 discord returns. The episode is called make new friends but keep discord or something likr that.


I mean Discord. Not Churches. God, it's so hard to use swype on my phone!!


Star Swirl dose not age!Because if Star Swirl is around when Equstrea was founded and he was around when the sisters were in power...then either Star Swirl is unable to age or Discord took over when Equstrea was founded and his rule was about 5 years or less.

Star Swirl the bearded could be discord if Celly and Luna ruled eqestrea before discord then took it back so star swirl/ discord could be there when tireck came to eqestrea! That is only a idea. I should start a analyst channel.


Cuz in the book the journal of the two sisters celestia and Luna knew star swirl and star swirl was the one who taught the princesses to raise the moon and sun and get their cutie marks


We can't go based off what MIGHT be true, we have to go off of rock solid facts and evidence.

+Carter kaeppel To further your point: one thing we do know is that the journal of the two sisters was released as show canon and specifically mentions that starswirl lost his ability to use magic the day that Luna and Celestia earned their cutie marks (because unicorns who attempted to lower/raise the moon or sun would permanently lose their magic, starswirl was the only one who could resist this... for a time. Once he attempted it on his own, he lost his magic). So he would have cast the spell prior to this event... meaning he didnt become discord... at least not with this theory.


just one thing i don't belive this because we know that celestia and discord have a history which would mess up your whole theory sorry dude


I don't think he is Star swirl. This being one of the reasons. http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140523231523/mlp/images/a/aa/Comic_issue_19_page_6.jpg

In the comics that is Star swirl looking at Discord. (But Discord in a alternate universe.)
Yet, we never see an alternate universe Star swirl in the comic. But opposite everyone else. However later in a time where Star swirl is no longer around. (Missing/Dead)  the two universes collide. Here we see regular Discord and alternate Discord.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140619181056/mlp/images/8/8e/Comic_issue_20_page_11.jpg

  So maybe he could be Star swirl considering we never saw an alternate Star swirl. But then at the same time, when Luna became evil, Alternate Luna became good. So if Regular Star swirl turned into Discord wouldn't Alternate Discord turn into some sort of Evil Star swirl? I don't think hes Starswirl. Plus remember that episode "Threes a crowd" With all that Star swirl stuff they were looking at. If he is I don't think he remembers. Plus in the comics, a lot of stuff proves hes much older than Star swirl. Or has he just time traveled a lot and knows more about the past. Which is something Star swirl had the power to do but Twilight used one of those spells and she could only do it once. I don't think they are the same.


Yeah but now it doesn’t work because the only reason star swirl was gone is because he was stuck in limbo


But when Discord met Fluttershy wouldn't that turn him into Star Swirl the Bearded?


starswail the berded is the tree of harmny and sulesteu and lunu has a therd sitser.


Nope, watch the last episode of season 6 or 7 of mlp. It proved your theory wrong.


Not to tell you you're all wrong and everything and I have information that you didn't have the time because I'm leaving this comment a lot later than you posted this but that's not true, after reading the diary of the two sisters I discovered that there was never any ruler of equestria until star swirl the bearded asked celestia and luna to be the rulers of equestria, they turned discord to stone after they became princesses not before.


Yeah right but discord is still there win star swirl the bearded comes back


i feel like the brony notion and ilovekimpossiblealot are fighting in there titles like this
is not
is too
is not
is too


THEORY TIME! If there is a SPIRIT of DISharmony, then there COULD be a Spirit of Harmony. But . . . If this were true then there would be the elements of Disharmony 0^0 thoughts?


StarSworl was trapped in a different world


Starswirl the bearded.. Wait beeeaaaarrded... THERES ANOTHER STAR SWIRL THAT HAS NO BEARD


BUT the new episodes brought star swirl back!!!!


I like that you compared my little pony to narnia.


I don't agree with you, but great evidence!


well, well, well, looks like someone was wrong

i knew he wasn't discord


.... Crackpot theorists. Just watch the show and stop questioning everything!


I am sorry, but this theory can no longer be true.


how does he know what happens in season 4 when this bid was uploaded in 2014????


and when the twilight read the spell it changed the identities and that caused cauos


Celly... Really. That's a pretty good nickname


so Star Swirl the Bearded had no friends, discord said that he had no friends

that might be why (when he became discord) he decided to create chaos... that's actually really sad D':


He is not star swirl... Because in #Ink Rose her video discord was born and eventually tried to take over ponyville so ... READ THE REST

THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN BE STAR SWIRL THE BERDED


or maybe star swirl the bearded made discord and then discord banished star swirl the bearded


Well.... Srry to tell you that he is not,  if you watch season7 finally.  I thought that he was star swirl too though. 😬


Season 7 episode 25 and 26 disproves this whole theory


I believe that

the brony notion is right


you are definitely right. Also I'm writing this while I'm watching this. 😶


Now adays he can't be because starssirl is now a regular person alongside discord!
#sorry


STAR SWIRL IS THERE AFTER CELESTA AND LUNA REAIN TOO! READ THE  JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS!!


And then season 7 came out and crushed this theory XD


If you would make a video about this is the question: Why does Luna have 2 ponies to be? and celestial does not. Luna is nightmare moon and Luna. But, Celestia is only 1 pony. What made Luna be 2 ponies?


Discord Has A Beard Star Swirl Has A Beard. Done


Wait a minute if discord was starswhirl the bearded the when is discord pretended to be a pony wouldn't he have been starswhirl?


Welll in keep calm in Flutter on Discord does say'Ive never had a real friend before'.I know this is an old video btw


I just noticed... Celestia and Luna are like 1,600 years or so of age.


Discord couldn't be star swirl because Discord, Luna and Celestia all met as kids looking for there parents after the alacorn war, witch in fact Discord ' s  parents ignighted.😛😜😝🐯🐆


star swirl has friends called the pillars


I'm on kp's side she is my favorite YouTuber


Starswril was banished to limbo with the pony of shadow and the other pilliars


You're both wrong. Clover the Clever is Discord.


Sorry i know This is an old video But Twilight brings starswirl back from limbo in shadow play


If the creators say it's not true THEN ITS NOT TRUE


well starsworld had a white beard and eyebrows and so does discord.
BUT!... discord has wings and starsworld does not have wings?
explain pleas :")


Omg the mention of Uestis, I realized Eye brow face!! From the Maze Runner


before Twilight Sparkle became a princess. Princess Celestia said starswirl was a unicorn


I found out Discord is not him last month I saw a Ink rose episode Celeste and Luna found him and he got left out and started terrorizing


ps also in the flash back with scorpen starswirl befriended scorpen and in keep calm flutter on discord said "i've never had friends before"


but in a video you see discord as a baby he says I'm lost   and I cant find my  mum(mom) and dad so he isn't star swirl and Celestia and luna  knew him and they were friends but tia and luna's parents died  when the storm came they were alicorns . starswirl died after 200 years


we've got a problem, if discord star swirl the bearded then he'd also be twilight, then twilight would be discord, which means FlutterShy was talking to twilight all along, which leads to a lot of thing O.O magic and science in confusing, this is why u shouldn't add doctor who with my little pony. my head is just confused witht this happening, one of the things in this cycle has to be FAULSE!

and i think THIS video is false because if star swirls the beard didn't want friend then why does he want to KNOW, especially if he wants to rule Ponyvile/Aqurestia with chaos.


dude  you can't argue with  real-life facts...


Time to use the dictionary to find out if you used the right too in the title.


ILoveKimPossiblelot is AWESOME!I LOVE KP


It’s wrong now with the season 7 finale. Watch it!


i know you use pony creator but how do you put like pictures and put your pony [i think] on a different page i ask because i want to be a pony analyzer [sorry if misspelled]


Wait till season 7 and all this is a useless theory that is easy to debunk


in the comics tia luna and star swirl are friend and  tia rule over equestria at this  moment.


If the video clip at 2:48 shows Celestia and Luna before they rose into power then why do they have their crowns? :p


i agree that is marvelous proof  , but watch season eight , please


RIP Discord is Star Swirl Theory died in 2017 <br>Killed bye the Season 7 finally

RIP Discord is Star Swirl Theory died in 2017
Killed bye the Season 7 finally


No he isn't, star swirl episode is out. MUWAHAHAHAH deal with it.


WAIT WAIT!!!! BUT STARSWIRLED WAS A STUDENT OF CELESTIA'S!!!! how do I know this? BECAUSE I AM AWESOME.... as it suggestes in my title


Notion I agree with most of you theories but starswirl is NOT DISCORD


In season 7 star swirl the bearded comes back


Why season seven why did you have to crush this great theory


DISCORD AND STARSWIRL ARE NOT RELATED! WATCH THE SEASON 7 FINALE!!!!!


Look at the season 7 finale dude unless you want this


Like you said discord is the only creature that does have magic and is not a pony.Wait there were some creatures that had magic and were not ponies.Those creatures from the everfree forest.like the uh i dont remember what it is called.Imean that kind of chicken and dragon or snake .... whatever it is .... had magic that could turn others into stone but why only that kind of spell?Is it just a different kind of magic or.... well .... huh that's it but what we were talking about was if discord was star swirl the bearded.and yeah that makes sence.<br>If you remember the episode keep calm and flutter on discord said that fluttershy was his first true friend.Also the spell twilight fixed was writen by star swirl the bearded.And because he had no friends the spell had no elements to change (they weren't found by celestia and luna yet).That means that he had caused the spell on himself so that's it.That explains his magic too.sorry if i have made some mistakes on my comment....i am greek.

Like you said discord is the only creature that does have magic and is not a pony.Wait there were some creatures that had magic and were not ponies.Those creatures from the everfree forest.like the uh i dont remember what it is called.Imean that kind of chicken and dragon or snake .... whatever it is .... had magic that could turn others into stone but why only that kind of spell?Is it just a different kind of magic or.... well .... huh that's it but what we were talking about was if discord was star swirl the bearded.and yeah that makes sence.
If you remember the episode keep calm and flutter on discord said that fluttershy was his first true friend.Also the spell twilight fixed was writen by star swirl the bearded.And because he had no friends the spell had no elements to change (they weren't found by celestia and luna yet).That means that he had caused the spell on himself so that's it.That explains his magic too.sorry if i have made some mistakes on my comment....i am greek.


It seems like she's only A teen or kid don't go to harsh on the person


SO DISCORD IS KINDA LIKE THE ICE KING FROM AT?


And now this theory has been proven in true do to the finale of season 7


not to be rude if discord was before the princesses then he can't be star swirls read mlp the journal of the 2 sisters and see star swirls made them princess


star swirl can't be discord go look at the back story of celestia and luna's back story in ink rose channel<br>it says that discord as a BABY was sperated with his mum and dad when a war started between the alicorns and darkness? yeah so if you don't understand me ink rose back story

star swirl can't be discord go look at the back story of celestia and luna's back story in ink rose channel
it says that discord as a BABY was sperated with his mum and dad when a war started between the alicorns and darkness? yeah so if you don't understand me ink rose back story


it never said Star had no friends. It just pointed out he didnt UNDERSTAND friendship. (I just wanted to point this out i am still a big fan of urs plz dont be affended by this if i happened to affend u im sorry)


I totally agree that when star swirl had no friends and even he has no friends eather so  yep


or maybe the ponies thought discord got rid of star swirl the bearded


Hello a few years later Starswirl is released with the Shadow pony and the other pillars and discord is still there and Starswirl is a pony


Discord isn’t starswirl in season eight we meet starswirl and the pillers


rember that epsidose when discord dress up as star swirl the bearded so he can trick twilight . hey that's true


Could you please do a new theory about the season 7 finale?!?!?!


discord is not star swirl because in the comics discord and star swirl are seen in the same seen so discord is not star swirl


For NARNIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (Rides on Tiwlight)


But the shadow monster and swirl star was in epi soda and therie false


Star towards the future content been discovered Country Springs to limbo


They even have the same facial hair!!!!!


How do I get known within the Brony fandom?


you forgot one dirscord had no friends asn swirl


i hate to brake it to you but..
season 7 finale 2017, starswirl lives.
but, great theory i really like it

now i'm thinking about it, this will be sayd alot, soo good luck handle it all


SPOILER ALERT!!! The Season 7 Finale has debunked this theory because Star Swirl appeared in it during the PRESENT day!


This is the feaucher and he became good:-)


Just give in and admit defeat. Star swirl is not discord its like saying you are a worm it just makes no sense. No offence.


discord was friends with celestia and luna when tey were fillys


Who else here thinks Discord is Mae Hatter!!! ( I ♡ LOVE mad hatter )


There might be an episode about discord since he doesn't have a fiendship is magic background story comic


Yeah I guess but does he have magic why are you discouraged guarding her Theory home


Umm excuse me for being critical but the spell did not change there physical appearance but only it changes what they did like a mental change so if he did use this spell it would not swap his body but only make him the opposite like how discord made then bad but then he would be like him but he would not look like discord but acted like him and besides only dark magic possesses power to change a physical appearance


He is the oppeset not in power but in stuff I think discord is just a failed creation


actually wasnT starswirl the princesses mentor?


Okay so I prepared to answer every little question of mlp about this, you see first off all I know Kim is wrong A LITTLE, first don't make proof from the voicer, it's not making sense if you do, second BRONY NOTION has been wrong ALL THE TIME, well not all the time, but still a little bit wrong, okay first off all we know what's his personality, heroic even from the comic or from the cartoon, let's forget about the comic, we are going to 2 things, the wikipedia, and the cartoon, we know starswirl the bearded is making a spell that almmost likely trying to do something with the elements, from it's spell its sound like he wants to make something more powerful, and it looks like  he wants to make himself to be powerful, so we continued, we are in s4 ep 1 where Luna and Celestia found The elements, THEY ARE THE ONE FOUND IT, for banishing discord, but why we do know it wasn't before, well, take a look of Sombra, the elements didn't used, it means they haven't found it, but still discord is their 2nd monster that they defeated, but the elements were found by them, we still asking, if the first one that found the elements is Celetia and Luna not him , it means that we are here in the bottom of the pit, it means the elements of harmony is already found after the incident, and it means StarSwirl thhe beardedmade the testing thingy after they defeted him, we know ONE THING, Discord isn't StarSwirl the bearded, well question still come, what if Discord is the one that found the elements first, I mean what happened if StarSwirl the bearded is the one found it first, the ANSWER is impossible, why?, if he dd that means discord is stupid, he is twice much more smarter then Twilight fooling things up, if StarSwirl the bearded took the elements first then it means he changed and then if he turned to be Discord he must hide tthe elements to insuredd his freedom, but still why he didn't, The answer is this , he can't get it, if he already knew the elements , and ask me, why can't he get it, then if ask back why his magic plantera thingy attacked the tree of harmony after it ran out of magic, it because he can't approach  it, if he approached it, he is in danger, if he tried to take the elements, he is in danger, still asking for evidence, we are going to tthe comics, because of it, we found STARSWIRL THE BEARDED IS still a pony after Lulu banished, and yeah  start arguing everyone

And english isnt my native language aka im not good at english


Not till you read the Journal of the Two Sisters and it is said that Star Swirl asking the two to be princesses after Clover the Clever and the ponies comings together. Meaning that Discord turing to stone was after they were in power as princesses.http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/My_Little_Pony_Friendship_is_Magic_Wiki:Workshop/The_Journal_of_the_Two_Sisters

It was also star that helped the princesses build their home in the forest so that means that he is around and still in touch with them, so you would think that they would know if he did turn into discord or they know and just won't say it for some reason. The princesses seem to view Discord negative unlike they do star. They became princesses after the clover the clever when all ponies agreed to have one ruler or in this case two, which star was still apart of their lives than. So in the vid it said discord was banished before they were princesses so that wouldn't make sense once star is the one that helped put them into power so he couldn't have been Discord.

@WildKamots You’re right, but I don’t think that disproves this theory. It just changes the timeline a bit. The journal says that Luna and Celestia were acquainted  with Starswirl, and actually even the show itself hints at it, but he could still disappear and then reappear as Discord without the princesses noticing it’s him.<br>It’s been a while since I’ve read the journal, but from what I remember, [spoilers ahead, sort of?] Starswirl experiments with time seplls a lot. Once, after successfully traveling through time, Celestia and Luna note that his beard changed colors from brown to gray. The spell changed his appearance. So what if one of his time spells later on went horribly wrong and turned him into Discord? Maybe he doesn’t even remember who he once used to be.

@WildKamots You’re right, but I don’t think that disproves this theory. It just changes the timeline a bit. The journal says that Luna and Celestia were acquainted  with Starswirl, and actually even the show itself hints at it, but he could still disappear and then reappear as Discord without the princesses noticing it’s him.
It’s been a while since I’ve read the journal, but from what I remember, [spoilers ahead, sort of?] Starswirl experiments with time seplls a lot. Once, after successfully traveling through time, Celestia and Luna note that his beard changed colors from brown to gray. The spell changed his appearance. So what if one of his time spells later on went horribly wrong and turned him into Discord? Maybe he doesn’t even remember who he once used to be.


Like la Luna said in season seven two separate beings


Well if discord Worcester store is there it wouldn't make sense because in the episode where it shows a hearts heart warming mean it would prove in the episode it shows that the unicorns had to raise the sun which means the Alcorns or gone so STM and I wouldn't go on looking for their parents mean while to come along discord it was still just a baby is locked I 380 of course stars world the bearded is there so it wouldn't make sense because discord was still small because yeah so here's my three bye


i guess that makes semse but then why did he become evil


U and kim possible are my favorite Broncs


if you take. a look at spike you're completely RONG


But on one episode discord heard fluttershy say I'm not going to be ur friend now that triggered something alright then discord said u were my friend, but I've never had a friend before. So now u have it a clue to star swirl the bearded.


Listen Sawtooth, I love your videos and all but this is EASY disproven.


Welp, KP is pissed. <b>*covers face*</b>


so going to dis harmony in 0:56 to 1:00 celestia say "disharmony" and in a video this guy says they don't exist but the princess saying that might give clues of the existence of the elements of disharmony


Did You Spell Celestia Wrong With Celly? XD Funny I Saw That +The Brony Nation


but.. star swirl does not do chaos like discord.


If discord was star swirl the beared why didn't he cause after he transforms into discord


not true  in twilight'sCastle Part1 discord was turned to stone and star swirl is there


Sorry but this theory is wrong because of season 7 finale. :3


2019 sorry bud but DISCORD IS DISCORD STARSWIRL IS STARSWIRL got it


hey lauren make brony watch the season finale


<b>I love this..but..On mlps facebook page there was a pic for the mlp movie that'll be out in 2017 I think..? it had star swirl as a pony on it so.. .-.</b>

*I love this..but..On mlps facebook page there was a pic for the mlp movie that'll be out in 2017 I think..? it had star swirl as a pony on it so.. .-.*


Watching this after season 7 finale shadow play


well im not that knowledgeable with age was star swirl the bearded  the same age as princess luna and celestia then this can be proven discord IS NOT starswril because discord was with luna and tia when they where little,


I think the answere to the future is in daddy discord


Season 7: NOoOo! No! Oh god please no! No! No! Noooooooooo!


you could be right but I think discord would have told somepony by know


Something with your timeline doesn't add up. What about nightmare moon? When does she come in?


Discord and starswirl both have white hair to. But sorry dude I'm just not with you on this Theory. I wish I could explain why but it would be like an hour long message


Because the three ponies have liked beard and all they know magic and how to say no magical unicorns I get the Pegasus part is like a fly with unicorns are most important thing and how does Twilight have leaves I know she did everything for a friend and that's really nice but but how do you change because she could feel the magic of friendship how was the rainbow so many times even when they defeated this word even the first episode there a rainbow and then when they defeated dyrdek remember and it's me your little sister Daniella because all the time with the friendship this is an important question I'd get that they each oven element but how is there a rainbow coming these questions are very important for me OK


This can relate the discord has no friends  same for star discord does not understand friendship so doesent stars


MAYBE evil shadows from luna tured him into discord


boom you where wrong it said starwill didn't understand freindship but he had friends as celestial and Luna and clover the clever friends meaning he but element of harmony didn't exsiset and but that made them appear in land but it took all of star swirl engery he does enchant gems. and he died to make the element of harmony my theory makes a little snece


i say it swapped him and animals around him


I believe that star swirl the bearded is discord because star swirl disappeared so there is proof that discord is star swirl the bearded.😀😀😀😀😀😀😀


Kimpossible was corrected  from her opinion #kimpossible


Yeah! Too bad this theory doesn't work with recent canon :(


Bro i could proved you wrong, I could do a video against this vid.


i someday want to do a channel like yours (brony notion)can u tell me some secrets about how to make them awesome


also remeber discord said to fluttershy that he had NEVER had friends and niether had star swirl?


Umm... The comics are cannon... And even if they aren't the journal of the two sisters disproves this too.


Also, discord is not evil Celestia he is funny! And furthermore he was making ur little equestria exciting


Didn't Star Swirl made friends with the other ponies in the play then before being frozen Star Swirl magic save them all and magic of friendship was born


I'm going to have to disagree with u it doesn't make why discord is star swirl the bearded


so true star swirl didnt know friend ship for all you seson 7 fans your welcome


but starswirl was the one who put celestia in charge and she was freinds with starswirl


Discord is not star swirl the bearded in  my little pony friend ship is magic the last 2 episodes of the series you see what Star swirl looks like


i came from the future : this teory is outdated


u guys might be having a war of who's right and wrong XD


I really think that you were right and stuff about the song but it does can can can get confusing but my question is was clover the clever as smart as Twilight he used to put that on your next video please whoever you really are


wait if starswirl is discord then when discord became friends with fluttershy and the mane6  then why didnt he turn back to his orginal form


You know what the croinicals of narnia are


Watch the video alicorn before alicorn to proof that celestia didn't turn twilight to an alicorn


Psÿçhøtïç Åmbítìøñ


Starswirl and discord both have Beard's that are similar to each other so their the same PONY🙇😿


But remember starswirl asked celestia and Luna to rule over equestria

I am also stil confused by fluttercord i mean fluttershy is a young adult and discord is more than 1000 years old


Again season 7 profes Him wrong (I think)


didint discord trurn in to starswarld the berdeds  famis candal  wen he had the blow flow ?


Ugh. Luna is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better.


I just think it's stupid. Fighting over if discord is blah blah blah whatever his name is is just stupid. :|


Ok now I'm confused TO MENY THEORIES! (6~9)


If you read the comic books star swirl the bieaded haded tow friend celestia and Luna that where friend so he cold have swap there cute marks


Bearded fighting sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry that goes with the 1 sentens


... bbbuuuuttt starswirl is the one who MADE celestial and Luna rulers😏


try ink roses ep 1 in her history of equestria series.


The beginning I thought you were talking to me in person because I was wearing headphones


•Season 7 comes out•

Welp......

R.I.P BRONY NOTION 2k18

*•Season 7 comes out•*

Welp......

_R.I.P BRONY NOTION 2k18_


I like it but starswirl is the princesses mentor


recent episodes <b>shatter</b> this theory


this doesint make sence if discord is star swirl the bearded why did he turn evil and take over equestria when he changed and did celly and luna know he was star swirl


why is an argument like even taking place it's pointless


And i mean flip that idea i know its out dated i mean in a new episode hes consider  a spirit and if he ever acts to normal hell DISAPPEAR


* watches end of season 7* <b>facepalm</b>


Proof this video is fake:<br>After Discords magic was trapped in grogars bell we see star swirl fighting tirek with magic! But discords magic is already gone

Proof this video is fake:
After Discords magic was trapped in grogars bell we see star swirl fighting tirek with magic! But discords magic is already gone

Bish this video was made 7 year ago how are PEOPLE SO BLINDDD

This video is not fake it’s just his theory and it was made 7 years ago 🤦🏼♀


Celetai said friend ship not friend because of this nothing would happen to star swirl wait the movie it pro teller the shrine were banished and star swill would of died this is after the spell he created it not tested it


Welp, this has been disproven. coughs I get it, cough its old. cough

Welp, this has been disproven. *coughs* I get it, *cough* its old. *cough*


acaley the seasons arnt years it was comfermd that season 3 was the end of one year besides think of the twins pumkin cake and poud cake they wer born in season 2 and wer at season 7 so they wold be 6 and they cant be six despite them still have ther baby form cant talk and in that flash back with sweetebelles 5 birthday she was in an older form so if i had to gess they are 2 or 3 so you said that he was relesd a year later that is not acuat for the show it was probly about a couple of mounths hope this helpd it was kind of buging me


Star is not discord bc star died before discord and why would destroy everyone ?


and in my daddy discord  discords  daughter is a pony


hey if u watch episode one it says luna is a unicorn is that weird cuz it says that the unicorn would not lower the moon not alicorn???


So if discord was starwoldsabierded or somthing😎😎 then fluttershy is pertacting him


when you said is body got mixed up I believe  you


Sorry just stupid the two alicron went on adventure with him when they wear kids they found him arter there perents died Luna was 5 and Celeste was 10  discord was about the same age as  Luna he did not come in the catle cause his race and all the pony had a war so they became ruler and stop playing with discord he played pranks and they became more dangerous  Luna Celeste we're raise by the wiz and the first element of harmony all the alicorn died fighting the darkness


I think Celestia Luna to Icon parent but they were born Alicorn


this is a new process old cute mark 📑 her new cute mark is  thus 📖


HAH! Equestria girls screwed that up

(Ps: the sequel:p


nope this is disproven now since starswirl was apparently trapped in limbo for over 1000 years

starswirl is the one pony who makes the lore of celestia and luna complicated<br>also cadence is kinda confusing too

starswirl is the one pony who makes the lore of celestia and luna complicated
also cadence is kinda confusing too


Um brony discord isnt starswirl bc we saw him in season 7


no everything out of senpia I mean kp's mouth is true


Or an even better explanation!
Star Swirl probably died.
And Discord took advantage of it.
Problem solved.


But it says in the equestria girls it says he was the princesses teacher


have even read the journal of the two sisters


If you do not under stand what dark magic is its in the forbidden archives that only princesses can read OH JUST ForGET IT GO WACTH INK ROSE!!!!!


And also when fluttershy said if this I'll be you're friend discord gasped cause he had no friend's before like star swirl!!!!!!?.<br>It's almost like knew!!!!!!?.

And also when fluttershy said if this I'll be you're friend discord gasped cause he had no friend's before like star swirl!!!!!!?.
It's almost like knew!!!!!!?.


WOW...... i 've never thought about it that way............


I'm watching this in 2018 so this is debunked sorry there are knew episodes and one shows that star swirl the bearded is kickoff alive but you'll see


But you know that discord never knew about friendship so hè and starwill abeared are connectie cause hè did also nog know about friendship !!!


and ink rose explains it and they are naturle alicorns


He's totaly not star swirl....    Discords the god of chaos and star swirl would say something before he got turned to stone u bum. PS: I subscribed only to prove ur vids WRONG.


i got word about the season 7 fanlli its something to do with starswirl and its calld shadow play
''shadow''
think about who that mite be
and i know its going to comferm hes not discord
im so ecsited


It is not very likely that star swirl is discord because luna and celestia had found him when searching for their parents. And when they found some Ponies discord decides to stay hidden due to his parent being the cause of the chaos in the first place. While there the pony leaders held a meeting with star swirl there so if star swirl and discord both existed at the same time then how could discord possibly be star swirl. That's where I'm confused in this vid because of that so how can u possibly explain the supposedly same pony/person existing at the same time and as the other, hmmm? Hahhaahha this comment was really just made for fun but if u could answer these questions that would be EPIC!!😜😎😏👍🏻


Fluttercord I mean disshy I mean discord ≠ stardust or whatever his name is starswirl  because they were in an episode together!!!!!!!


It's suposud to say star swirl the berde and was fiting with twiliht


Whelp season 7 ending exist now so

Your wrong so discord is not starswirl is just like cement that turned into a wall


maybe STAR SWIRL TURNED EVIL AND DISCORD IS THE RESULT11111


it showed many times star swriled as a pony with a bread

and at 2:07 she said a great UNICORN not a messed up ugly looking dragon


Sorry...but im from 2019 and your theory is debunked and you give up


Lols you wrong mate<br>It’s official proof


I found a photo I guess some other people believe in your theory


I think you just seriously pissed off KP there


what about the canterlot a library there was a section made by star swirl the bearded.

and if you was discord in the time in between one the rest of canterlot was made and when he built that part of the library I don't think it would still be there


starswerl is not discord because tea an lulu knew starswerl


I am from the very far future,AND boy we're you wrong!


Diskorb wold make a grayt star swirl the birded<br>


He disappeared because he probably ashamed and jealous


You are wrong stars will the bearded is not discord because I have proof Celestia and Luna when they were Phillies traveled with discord he was a little filly haha I had proof and that is why you are wrong ok


she sed someone like star swerl the beaded


You put celly on the time line lol :) just now realized that even though I've watched this like five times now...


Sorry but your wrong stat swirl the herded was firing with twiliht but discord was blue


<b>coughs</b> NIGHTMARE MOON YOU FORGOT NIGHTMARE MOON

*coughs* NIGHTMARE MOON YOU FORGOT NIGHTMARE MOON


The comics disprove this but this video is old and I'm lazy


Star swirl is actualy not Discord see season 7


Why would star swirl take over eqestra (sorry I cannot spell that


THATS IT! I CANT DO IT! I CANT! I DONT LIKE PONY CREATOR! PLEEEEAAAASE NO PONY CREATOR


meh you Forget something in timeline LUNA SENT TO MOOOOOOOOON


This is proved wrong is shadow play parts 1 and 2


I am saying that in inkroses video it said that when luna and salesta were kids they were bffs<br>With discord

I am saying that in inkroses video it said that when luna and salesta were kids they were bffs
With discord


I found out the truth that clover the clever is not twilight sparkle. If you want to find out how then please leave a comment and I will respond but I also will need to talk to you privately and it is best if you tell me if you have a Facebook page so I can respond to this so please contact me and I will be able to tell you.


What maybe if star swirl when he did the spell what happens is star swirl is discord now . I will tell you why do remember that  princes Tia  she said star swirl never had .friends I think that what she and he nacre knowed friendship. Ok now discord or sunset shimmer first I want to tell you sunset shimmer she said that she doesn't know the first things about friendship . Ok NOW discord he has a beard like star swirl . And his fear or skin is gray like star light and he is powerful . Look I may sound dumb but I hope this connects to if star light is discord. Bro hoove hahahah


+Traci Lyn Thomas <b>Gasp</b> could it be?


I just got a sausage dog (dachshund) today. Her name is Button :3

@Mashed Potatoes idk i was just exited XD

...and what does that have to do with this video?


Why are people saying take his old form his old is well his old form is dead its been 1000 year maybe more!


Also, the video you made is horrible compared to hers.  She keeps it interesting.


nope it is fiscally not possible, please why this video real


It you'll ever watch the season 7 final this whole thing just see it's not true and you'll be I like no my whole theare is wrong me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you:😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢


i highly disagry what if starswirl did have frends and it didint to him into discord and besides discord was born a dragonquas if he was starswirl he wod have his senses and not be incane and he wode not try to take over adquestria in know starswirl wont do that why bechuse hes a rezonable pony he knows better so try to explane those things


what about the real discord? 😔🙁😓😦😩😰😱👽💀☻☹👀👅


discord is a SPIRIT OF CHAOS , NOT A CORRUPTED UNICORN , AND THE SPELL WAS A CUTIE MARK CHANGING SPELL , NOT BODY CHANGING , AND STAR SWIRL MIGTH ME GOOD WITH SPELLS BUT ! HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE HIM SELF IMMORTAL OR AS POWERFUL AS DICORD IS TO MAKE THINGS APPER OF MID AIR AND SWIRL'S NAME HAS CLEVER IN IT , HE WOULDNT MAKE SUCH CHAOS FOR NO REASON

@angelofice9 the elements of disharmony aren't canon .... so still i like discord being a spirit originally

I have a theory maybe he was using the elements of disharmony that changed him into the monster, that could explain his great powers and the spell was a desperate attempt to change the elements but because of his lack of friends he couldn't complete it

+Danny Raccon ALSO IF IT WAS SWIRL HE WOULD HAVE A FRIEND SCORPAN FOR S4 FINNALE BUT DISCORD DOESNT


Do u know what star swirled's cutie mark is cause I don't can u make a video about it please and tell me when u do if u do


I vote for Donald Trump cause I love him!


Are you trying to beat ILovekimpossiblealot are what


this is not a good theory because star swirl was sent to limbo


What about seaaon 9? Star Swirl and Discord side by side!


if you watch ink rose 98 she says discord is just a caose bringer and you should watch her video celestia, luna  and the  history of equestreia video


yeah Did you noice the EYEBROWS and BEARD!!!!<br>hint hint

yeah Did you noice the EYEBROWS and BEARD!!!!
hint hint


But he can't be star swerl because in an epesod online I say that that him and some of offer ponys and I the pony of shadows so he can't be discord and that's my proof 🎭

We're trapped in a riffed tHat stopped time 🎨


I do not know of Tirek's, The Sirens, Sunset Shimmer, and any others.

Starlight:When her friend or brother got his cutie mark, she felt betrayed, so she did what she did.(You know...)

Flim and Flam:They took over the the apple orchard after Applejack's parents died

Sombra:A pony I whom do not know of the name got her cutie mark.Sombra felt betrayed.He set off in snow when she found him, he wanted her to rule by his side, and she refused.So Sombra declared war on the Crystal Empire.

Chrysalis:Her changelings took over.She wanted to fight Zecora and her resistance.

Discord:Not really much to say about him.He was out from stone and made the place in chaos.(Elements of Harmony discovered)

Nightmare moon:Since no one would appreciate the night, Luna stood against Celly because everyone liked the day, so basically she was jelly.


princesess cleastia said ELAMNETS OF DISHOMRNY


The new video is a good video and a good refrs


Star swirl is so not discord pony of shadows <b>new</b>

Star swirl is so not discord pony of shadows *new*


disharmony? r theyre element of disharmony


nnno  in    season    8    starswirl   apperded  so   have   discord    so   u   are   wrong


dis vid is out dated star swirl went to a place called limbo to keep a monster in there


hey notion check out the song starswirls frankenstien


Discord is not starswerld the. Bearded becouse princess celestia said unicorn


I think Star Swirl The Bearded is discord because here's my yt


sorry but I don't believe this theory it's just my opinion


He can't possibly be discord in season 7 we found out star swirl the bearded was in limbo for a thousand years with the pony of shadows, plus discord is reformed

The video came out before season 5!!! Let alone 7!!!!!!!!


Discards Thorne looks like Trick c s am be let


ERMAHGERD YOU WATCHED SENPAII'S VIDEOS YAS!


buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut then how did he teach Selestia & Luna


@CrystalMuffyn 😂😂😂 I literally was just going through my emails from 2017 and I found a link that a friend sent me to this video, back when I loved my little pony 😂😂


so there is a diharmony jems or what because celestia said.... what now im confused.... .-.-


watching this in 2018 be like

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
JUST JUST NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
JUST NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HES NOT DISCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD


Scratch that. Discord being Star Swirl is just too far fetched.


can the fire harmony heart is the place of tree of harmony?????????????????????????


just saying.... most of everything you said made NO sense......


Александр Гуркин


What if Star Swirled the bearded is secretly the father of Luna and Celestia


Wrong.In season 7  starswor comes back.So KP was right and you are rong!!!!!

Kaley Collins lol! Your comment leads to a random website!


Discord is star swirl the breaded  I think


But they were at the same place at the same time?


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh this is soooooo outdated


Discord didn't have friends just like Star Swil the Breaded, so you are right

Rose King no, because you see star swirl after their rain of power and in order to use time travel spells he would've had to be normal,turn into discord, and then keep on switching from star to discord.boom!


Celestia and Luna dad and mom was In wat


yep ha ha burn its not star swirl burn burn burn burn


no that theory is bad and you should feel bad


YOU TALK ABOUT KIM BUT SHE NOT THERE BOOOOOOOOOO


Season 7 ep 25 and 26!HAHAHAHAAHHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
I hated this theory!
***NOT HATE COMMENT*****
This the only theory from you that i dislike

Season 7 ep 25 and 26!HAHAHAHAAHHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
I hated this theory!
****NOT HATE COMMENT******
This the only theory from you that i dislike


I am watching this in 2017and your whole theary is rong


Princess galaxy star of battle and fanfiction


discord is not starswirl, my proof? the episode where twilight brings starswirl and the pilgrims back.


Ye ya I agree with your theey I can see hapnig in my heb but on I'm not side kick


he is too star swril no his n yessssssssssssssss heeeeeeeeeee issssssssssss but noooooo


nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
your kidding yourself!!!!!!!!


This didn't make any sense what so ever.


Wat if discord is starswerl.Who are spikes parents.Who is owllishos other creaters
have  magic. Were did spike come from other than the egg.
Where did owllishos come from .Were are spikes parents.Were are owllishos parents.$😇😇☺😊😁😢


This is a load of crap.  That's so dumd, why would the writers use the same character.  I know I'm twelve..  But not stupid.


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And the writers didn't think to add an alicorn baby and were did that go?


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I HATE THIS ALL YOUR THEORIES ARE FAILING BECAUSE OF SEASON 7!!!!!!


Discord can be Star Swirl becouse well you know if you wached this video BUT in season 7 episode 25 we know more abut shadow pony and we know what happend to Star Swirl at the first place. But I still think that its bossible that Discord did transformation to be Star Swir and trick all the other ponys. This theary can be true and srry abut my bad english BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!!


Read ink rose video video of celestial history


Very very very wrong!!!!!! Discord is not Starswirl! SEASON 7!!!!!!!!!

Dude did came out before season 5!!!!!!!!!!


WRONG starswirl comes back with his team and the shadow pony


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So far, this is the best explanation of this theory I've seen/heard. I might have one thing to add on.
You said that Star Swirl (now as a Draconiquus) "after eons of being bored, tries to have a little fun by taking over Equestria." Saying it like that, it seems too sudden. I think a thing to add on would be that the spell not only scrambled his body, but also altered his very personality, from what was likely a calm, collected, stern Unicorn to the sarcastic, chaos-loving Draconiquus we all know and love today. It would make more sense as to why nopony recognized him for who he could once have been; heck, the only similarity would be the voice, and we all know how well some characters are voiced with similar people, particularly some of the background ponies that got voices. (Example: Bridle Gossip, Rose has Fluttershy's voice.)

Just something to add onto your theory.


However, as Celestia said in the season 4 finale, Star Swirl befriended Scorpan during her and Luna's rule, which was after Discord was imprisoned the first time. Also, this gives rise to the queation: How old did Star Swirl live to be? On another note entirely, considering Granny Smith helped found Ponyville, and that Twilight made it clear Ponyville is hundreds of years old, how old is Granny Smith? And one more thing, could Granny Smith be a descendant of Star Swirl.


No no no! The comics disprove this. Star swirl was celestial's friend and was around after luna's banishment. He created the mirror we see in both equestrian girls movies and a portal to an alternate equestrian. There was even a stain glassed window made of him which a dragon who I will say is spike's ancestor destroyed by accident.


in the book "The Journal of the Two Sisters" Star Swirl the bearded, helped Celly and Luna rise to power, get there cutie marks, and taught them to raise the sun and the moon before he vanished, so this shatters all ideas of Discord being Star Swirl


Interesting theory, but there's plenty of evidence to counter it in the show as well.
1.) Luna, herself, in Lunar Eclipse, recognized Twilight's costume and wasn't offended that a "pony that became one of the greatest threats to Equestria" was remembered and even honored over her, a ruling monarch. You would think that she would have given Twilight a dirty look for representing who she would probably consider a traitor. That means that she and Celestia knew Starswirl personally and would know wither or not he really was Discord.
2.) Discord, himself, is rather vain and boastful. If he was Starswirl chances he would have taken credit for almost every spell Twilight had ever used. Maybe even name them right off the top of his head whenever she used one around him.
3.) It was also pointed out in Twilight's Kingdom that Starswirl was around when Scorpan and Tirek came to Equestria, and that was after Discord's rule because Princess Celestia and Luna were already running the kingdom.
4.) The creators of MLP stated that Discord and Starswirl were not one in the same and by all account that makes it final, so there's really no argument. I'm a writer myself, I decide how my stories are dictated, if I say a character is a certain way or even an alternate character then they are. If I say that they're not then they are not. No one else has the right to say different because they themselves have no say in how I write my plots. The only thing they really can do is either take it as it is or leave it as it is. (Not saying that last part to mean or disrespectful, I'm just stating a fact.) They're welcomed to speculate and form their own head cannons, and even write their own variations of the story, but in the end I have the final say in what my stories/characters are.


If discord was star swirl, wouldn't Tirek recognize him as such instead of another creatures?


Now that that's taken care of you have to think of how the kingdom disappeared in the first place. Because there is next to no information on the kingdom it would stand to reason that the information was destroyed when the kingdom disappeared. Information is usually destroyed during sieges or battles. I personally like ink rose's theory that the alicorns were all killed in a great battle with dark spirits. An entire kingdom full of alicorns would be really hard to defeat so the creatures that would have been able to manage this would most likely be other creatures with godlike powers. There aren't many species in the show that have that much power. The only one that could actually stand a chance against both princesses is Discord(Cadence and Sombra don't count because Sombra was just a corrupt unicorn that got defeated by a baby dragon and a librarian). With so much chaos magic it would just be silly if discord wasn't as immortal as the princesses. It just makes sense that the alicorns and the draconicuses both perished in the war and Celestia, Luna, and Discord are all that's left. Plus the unfinished spell merely changed the destiny of the mane six. Celestia also said star swirl didn't "understand" friendship like twilight. That doesn't mean he had no friends. This is friggin' Equestria! Friendship literally IS magic here. Somepony as magical as star swirl surely would have known that. Even if it took as long or longer that it took Twilight to figure it out. And even if he didn't have friends why would a spell about friendship turn him into a spirit of chaos?


It'd be really cool if there was an official spin-off show about Equestria's history before S1E1


In the end of season 4 it is explained that Tereks brother befriended a skilled unicorn who was depicted to be starswirled. This also means that since this was DURING the rule of Celestial & Luna discord had fallen for the first time. We know this because Terek congradulats discord on escaping so he had to have known he was imprisoned before hand therefore discord is NOT starswirled.


well also for the whole "star swirl wouldnt be a hero thing" Napoleon bonaparte is known for being a great military leader and emperor of france who had accomplished a lot but is also known for being a ill tempered short guy who let power go to his head and whom tried to take over the world by invading and using military force. so in short he was a great leader who took the reins of a country after its revolution but later wanted to take over the world, but yet even with the latter he is still known as a great leader of france. and with equestria being the county that it is its possible that they would mainly want to focus on mostly the good about  star swirl


With the book 'The Journal of the Two Sisters', it will be a lot harder for fans to justify the theory that Discord is Starswirl the Bearded.

In this book by Amy Keating Rogers, with discussion and help by Lauren Faust herself, it introduces how Starswirl, Celestia, Luna, and the Six Founders met. The information provided on Starships and the fact of his mastery of Time spells leads him to be an ageless time traveler suggests he may well make an appearance later in th show... at least leaves it open for such an idea to come up in an episode.

The point being this official history of the royal sisters written by a show writer with help from the show creator strongly suggests the theory that Discord is Starswirl will be proven completely false.


The comics debunk this theory. Star Swirl was around with Tia after NMM was defeated. That would mean Discord has already been defeated too, because in order to defeat him, Luna would have had to have been present.

So, there you go. Discord and Star Swirl are NOT one in the same.