He said that Kim said "If he was outcast because of him being discord, why would Twilight dressup as him?" If you watch that episode, nobody knows who she is, apart from Luna... It's either true that nobody knows what star swirled the bearded looked like (maybe because nobody saw him before he changed) OR they don't WANT to remember, like the ponies that were around at that time hated the new SS the B (aka Discord) so much that they didn't pass down the story through generations. To back it up, the only reason Twilight knows who he is, is because she reads sooooo many books, and spell books...


I wanna believe Discord was actually a pet created by Star Swirl the Bearded


Very interesting idea! And I like the connection to Eustace in The Dawn Treader (my favorite Narnia character ever!!).


I believe the joker theory could be used here too. Do to the spell doing that to him, he might have looked for a way to fix it. Seeing how powerful chaos magic is, my must have tried it.But chaos being chaos, it made him lose his mind, making a new persona. Discord.


Maybe he also suffered...
Memory loss.
Who knows, could have happened. I mean, because a huge transformation like THAT could have some side effects... hence why John said he had no idea who Starswirl was, because HE was told Discord had no idea he was Starswirl; or otherwise.


No mention of how him trying to preform the spell failed, hence why he has both horns and wings? I mean all things considered, Discord would be an Alicorn if he was a Pony, so what if the lack of friends caused him to become a sort of Broken Alicorn who then lost his sanity to a flood of powerful magic with no real need to keep it in check?


Also consider Dr Wolf's theory about how Discord imprisoned (and is still imprisoning) Star Swirl.


In the actual hard cover book The Diary of the Two Sisters it tells the complete story of how Luna and Celestia knew Starswirl, were friends with Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum, earned their cutie marks thought Starswirl's guidance and became princesses.  I will say that the book follows show logic because the lines Twilight reads aloud are actual parts of the book, and the second half of the book is the entirety of Twilight and her friends' entries.  I actually had a head cannon that Starswirl was younger and worked under Celestia and Luna and then at one point became King Sombra, but I was pretty sure that wasn't true and the book also dismantled my head cannon.  Still a fun made up story in my head though :P


That actually makes ALOT of sense but I'm sorry, I still disagree. Though everything that you explained COULD be so, I don't understand why the writers would make Discord be Starswirl.


I think this theory is really interesting AND it could be right. The timeline though is way off. There's a book The Journal of the Two Sisters and in it you learn that Princess Celestia and Luna were rulers long before they vanquished Discord. There are also many other things about Star Swirl that you might find interesting and helpful to your theory.


If Starswirl is discord, I would suggest that he was also an Alicorn.  He is always wearing a cloak so unsure if he has wings, over a thousand years ago Alicorns may have not been liked much or feared so hiding the wings may have been necessary, and lastly alicorns have great magic.


It doesn't really affect your theory much, but I think Celestia and Luna were already in power before Discord showed up, because they had their crowns and royal neck things. I think when Spike said the peaceful rule of Celestia, he meant the <b>current</b> rule that the ponies are living in now.

It doesn't really affect your theory much, but I think Celestia and Luna were already in power before Discord showed up, because they had their crowns and royal neck things. I think when Spike said the peaceful rule of Celestia, he meant the *current* rule that the ponies are living in now.


What if, in the future, Discord finds a way to transform back into Starswirl the Bearded? Great plot twist, huh?


Actually your theory may be true as Star Swirl turned into Discord but maybe when Star Swirl/Discord disappeared maybe chaos bringers polluted his mind making him want to take over Equestria but then after the chaos bringers polluted his mind Star Swirl's good thoughts was erased and memory with it. So his memory was changed into dark memories making him want revenge over Celestia and Luna. Possibly in the season he was free to do good maybe a tiny part of his Star Swirl memory came back but his memory was still fussy or can't quite remember so he still did naughty things but then when Tirek returned his memory was dark again because  he was exposed to evil things or dark magic once more but he still remebered his friends or the mane six after because his friends are like the light that fixed his kind memories of them and made him remember that he was good not bad. Well that was my theory


I know this is off topic, but, according to Celestia herself, first of all, Discord could not have ruled in a state of eternal chaos, since There were other villains who ruled, like Chrysalis, Sombra, and Tirek, though some only ruled part of Equestria, I don't think Discord would let them, or were they working together? Luna an Celly defeated Chrysalis and Sombra, assuming it was them who defeated the villains, before Discord, much like you would if you were to take down the weaker links before getting to the big one. Which brings me to another question, if Luna and Celestia discovered the elements when they had to defeat Discord, how did they beat the villains before him, and since Luna and Celestia shared the elements, and NMM was defeated by Celestia alone, was Celly given all the elements when Luna transformed, or can you use some elements alone, and which elements did Luna and Celestia each have? Please make a video about one of these things, I need a second opinion.


I'd like to point out that just because discord had no friends and sun butt said that starswirl "didn't understand friendship like you (twi) do" Does NOT mean there is a correlation between those characters. notice: celestia did NOT say that starswirl had NO friends, just that he didn't UNDERSTAND friendship like twilight did. Ever heard the term "with friends like these, who needs enemies" ? there are likely ponies that are like that as well (see also Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon) but they still have friends despite not understanding what friendship really is.

Also the beards matching are, at best, Stretching it. How many people in OUR world have the same beard style? a LOT. The beards kind of, but not Exactly, matching might just be a coincidence.

Besides, the writers clearly state these characters are NOT the same. The only reason this rumor came about was a falsified script for discord that never happened (the script was supposedly suppose to show up in the next discord episode, in which they were never shown, where discord was reformed).

There isn't completely solid evidence against it, besides the creators saying no, but there is even less evidence FOR it. until this is laid to rest in the show, though, there will be constant debate about it. I guess we just have to wait and see what happens in the show.


This is nice for me since I felt like the mlp series doesn't give enough of star swirl's story, like I'd love to see him come back, or them saying that he became disQord


Actually, a draconcus is a TYPE of creature as quote from Megan McCarthy. Star swirl can't be discord because the reason Natural Alicorns and Draconicus are rare is because they went to war and Luna,Celestia, and Discord ate the last ones are BC they where young and hid.


very good points but using the assumption that the princesses already knew him or his name before he began to take over leads me to believe that starswirld the bearded and discord are not the same , but like I said before very good points.


What I think happened was to create discord the good and bad parts are separated but I think that when discord discovers a balance between good and evil he will turn back


ah your theory makes sense but why would star swirled the bearded cause chaos even though he got switch?But other than that it does make sense that when star swirl the bearded didn't know much about friendship he used the spell on himself to test it and when he switch into something else he wouldn't tell anyone because he didn't want his admirers to betray him,but CHAOS doesn't really fit in with star swirl the bearded.


I see why you chose this point but it is possible that Discord was StarSwirl's mistake, like maybe StarSwirl casted a spell but it didn't work and created Discord,this might not be true but it is possible.


Canon shows Starswirl before and after Discord. Starswirl is alive before Celestia and Luna rise to power, and is there after Discord is turned to stone.

So... yeah. You're kinda wrong here. Also, just because it's "similar" to a completely different universe, doesn't mean it's the same.


Very interesting.  I think that Discord is Star Swirl.  It makes a HOLE lot of sense.  I wonder if the writers would do this in the future.


But Discord said that he is the last of his kind so unless he found a way to turn into a pony there is no way he could be star swirl.


Greetings! I would like to tell you my theory about starswirl.
you would be right except that you forgot that celestia said that starswirl was her apprentice. as well as him being clovers mentor.
at first I thought that this was just a problem with the timeline of my little pony (like in winter wrap up.) but i now believe that is not the case.
we all know that starswirl has experience with, time magic and magic powerful enough to mess with the elements of harmony. I now believe that he indeed sent himself back in time to before equestria was founded. on accident of course.


Another small idea to proof discord is star swirl. He falls in love with fluttershy. All people who don't believe it is cannon, it was made cannon in the intro season 4 finale where when flutters gives angel the Apple discord is looking at her the way fangirls look at Hiddles and benidect. So he fell in love with another race proving 1.he lived with ponies, like spike or 2. He was a pony. Most likely, he was a pony seeing as before he was turned to stone the first time he ruled over ponies, never lived with them


Look. Just because Celestia said Star Swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship, doesn't mean he didn't have any friends. Scorpan's his friend, right?<br>This just means that Star Swirl did not understand the TRUE magic of friendship AS Twilight does. He just didn't know that friendship can be a powerful magic.

Look. Just because Celestia said Star Swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship, doesn't mean he didn't have any friends. Scorpan's his friend, right?
This just means that Star Swirl did not understand the TRUE magic of friendship AS Twilight does. He just didn't know that friendship can be a powerful magic.


Nice theory and all, but you're over interpreting some of the points you made and twisting it so it fits this theory.

And yeah, there isn't any definite points to disprove this, but the same can be said about every religion in existence...my point is that that is a terrible point to bring up. But like all religion, if you like it, then sure, go believe in it, there's nothing wrong to it.

Now please do a theory about how Discord could easily have kicked Tirek's ass, but it was all part of his plan for Twilight to unlock the magic box.


The timeline wouldn't work out. In the journal of the two sisters, Luna and Celestia are constantly talking about how Star Swirl is there, helping them AFTER they become princesses of Equestria. If he were Discord, Star Swirl wouldn't be able to help them during their struggle as princesses, as it reads in the journal. I want to believe that Discord IS Star Swirl but this timeline wouldn't be it.


when talking about subjects like this you have to take into account other things that happened before star swirl or discord. Lauren Faust personally said discord is not star swirl the bearded but you disreguarded that which means we are free to use information from fanfics and the like. Many fanfics and other fan-made creations try to talk about things like the alicorn kingdom. Surely celestia and luna can't be the only ponies born as alicorns right? This would mean that there must have once been many more alicorns that most likely had their own kingdom. There is no official information about the alicorn kingdom which mens your guess is as good as mine. Nopony ever mentions this kingdom so it would stand to reason that they existed ling before equestria was a country, like celestia and luna. As the royal sisters origin is never specified I believe I can safely assume celestia and luna were originally born in the lost alicorn kingdom.


In the comics of mlp, I found a bit about Celestia visiting an alternate universe with star swirl. Luna is on the moon at this point. Timeline disproved.


Also their eyes are kinda the same. And Starswirl seen in a picture has a yellow aura. People have make discord into a pony before where discord had a yellow aura slipping away from facts though but still. Also they both have the same color schemes. Even if discord wasn't Starswirl, he could be related to Trixie.(Starswirl could be.)


Nah, it's more like. Star Swirl The Bearded was a great unicorn mage, and did many successful things, like banishing the dazzlings to the human world. He was so powerful, he could communicate to others in other dimensions. He contacts Sheogorath in the Shivering Isles in the TES universe, does some crazy mission for him, and gets turned into Discord. 0_0 Mind Blown XD. Just kidding, that's not how Discord came to be, or how Star Swirl disappeared, and there is no TES and MLP crossover like that, that I can think of. Discord isn't even Star Swirl. Discord is immortal, and Star Swirl probably died. However, I'm curious if someone else has thought up of something about Discord and Sheogorath.


Star Swirl isn't Discord.<br>I don't mean to jump on the "I disagree with you" bandwagon, sorry.

Star Swirl isn't Discord.
I don't mean to jump on the "I disagree with you" bandwagon, sorry.


Well it's an interesting theory but if Starswirl turned himself into discord, wouldn't the elements turn him back to normal?


Has anyone noticed Discord's magic is gold and so is Star Swirl's?


I can see your point but in the Journal of the Two Sisters, Its revealed that Starswirl raised Celestia and Luna when they became Princesses. So I guess that's something that cold disprove this theory. Believe what you what.


What if Star Swirl returns and Discord imprisoned him for who knows how long, only my theroy has a flaw: wouldn't Discord hint that Star Swirl is still alive?


How did you come to the conclusion of his body being swapped? Can you please explain this?


I completly agree with you i was also thinking of this possibility but i was never going that deep in to it...


Honestly since discord is my favourite character in the show I'd be disappointed if I found out that he was star swirl but Isn't everyone aloud to have there own opinion right.


2:37  you started to sound a bit convincing but lost me there. that just sounds like a TERRIBLE fan fiction, I don't think a good guy would just get bored and decide to take over the world, and if he was transformed by a spell, why would he not tell anyone? It's not like he was evil and wanted to keep it a secret, if by what youre going by, he didn't turn evil until after a long time of being bored?


Could you make another Star Swirl video concerning the update to season 4 the finale, and how it ties in to your other theories?


But with the counter spell, wouldnt discord turn back?


what if discord waited for starswirled to pass away before trying to rule equestria because he knew he had no chance of defeating him.  when starswirled passed away discord saw it as his chance to rule equestria


Also when tereck sucked the magic out of discord it was blue like star swirled the bearded it also had I littel color of yellow  but mostly blue i REALLY think that discord is star swirled the bearded I mean he disappeared right when discord showed up and in hearts warming eve in the play at the end They had found there new land and named it equestria does this but on the flag the planted Luna and celesta were on it but in the beginning it said before the peaceful rule of celesta so then <br>discord would  have came then and then celesta and Luna came but it was already on the flag which was probably just a stupid mistake

Also when tereck sucked the magic out of discord it was blue like star swirled the bearded it also had I littel color of yellow  but mostly blue i REALLY think that discord is star swirled the bearded I mean he disappeared right when discord showed up and in hearts warming eve in the play at the end They had found there new land and named it equestria does this but on the flag the planted Luna and celesta were on it but in the beginning it said before the peaceful rule of celesta so then
discord would  have came then and then celesta and Luna came but it was already on the flag which was probably just a stupid mistake


I think star swirled the bearded is discord cause if he was that could explain how he knew about the keys for the season finally


ok so this is all true, but if you think about the great luna and celestia rift, that lasted for 1000 years too. but then luna was released from her prison first even though she was imprisoned on the moon after discord was defeated for the first time.


the time line makes sense however... it stated that celstia luna and discord when they where young where friends. so we know the kingdom was already weak before  celtia and luna took over however what about there younger them? celtia and luna knew him before he became evil. plus we know he is the king of caos..or however you spell it so why would he be star something?   unless you can somehow answer this..you got pound. sorry i had to say that


Your argument is pretty good, especially bringing up "Star Swirl's Unfinished Spell" and how it might effect him since it's plausible that he has no friends. But your logic has a flaw and I don't need to use the comic's. You said that he disappeared before Discord showed up and people didn't thought the two was the same. Not only do you have no evidence to prove that he disappeared or he disappeared before Discord appeared, but you can't definitively prove that the spell turns him into a draconequus. For all we know, the spell just failed to work or could blown him up.


This is a good theory but is has a few tiny flaws.
#1 starswirl IS NOT IMMORTAL!
#2 starswirl did have friends Tia just said on 2:00 "he did not UNDERSTAND friedship like you Twilight".
#3 starswirl was very well respected in the dark ages of pony history so he did have friends! (this backs up #2)


also discord seems to use magic and can fly. doesnt that make hima prince tdchnicly and starswirl was just a regular old unicorn


Unfortunately, this is wrong. My reason comes from the comics, which is confirmed to be canon. It was shown that Star Swirl was still around after Luna was banished to the moon. This HAD to have been after Discord was already turned to stone because Luna was there when Discord was turned to stone.

@tails1152 Aren't there a lot of inconsistencies with the comic and the show, though? Like, the show says Luna transformed purely out of jealousy, but the comic says that she was possessed in a sense? I mean, it's hard to be "canon" when the both of them contradict each other so much.

hes TOO not star swirl......... think about it, your reasons are wrong notion..

well, cadence said in the episode that chrysalis 'takes the form of some pony you love and gains power by feding of there love for them' In my perspective it means that shining armor and candece love is so strong that it made Chrysalis stronger than Celestia. Tierek is another villian and his plans and magic dosen't work like Chtysalis. <br>And that with the writers that they kinda explain why Chrysalis could beat Celestia.

well, cadence said in the episode that chrysalis 'takes the form of some pony you love and gains power by feding of there love for them' In my perspective it means that shining armor and candece love is so strong that it made Chrysalis stronger than Celestia. Tierek is another villian and his plans and magic dosen't work like Chtysalis.
And that with the writers that they kinda explain why Chrysalis could beat Celestia.

@***** Chrysalis only won was beacuse her magic can grow= become stronger wen she steals love from another pony. But Celestia's magic is only on one level ( the most powerfull level) <br>And the writers said so -.-

@***** Chrysalis only won was beacuse her magic can grow= become stronger wen she steals love from another pony. But Celestia's magic is only on one level ( the most powerfull level)
And the writers said so -.-

@***** The age spell. Trixie said that it was for high-level unicorns, but that doesn't say much as she had an ALICORN amulet (not implying it has alicorn magic, but that is never explained how it works). It was never said if the spell could be used on themselves. So that kinda leaves a 50/50 chance there XD

meh agrees with u. i got all that facts. its imposible

@***** I don't see how the time travel would work unless he was able to use that age spell on himself. And (I somewhat feel stupid for saying this) how do you know that in his old age he would have been able to pull off a spell like that? Twilight said that the spell could only be used by the highest levels of unicorns.

I totally agree. He was still<br>Alive after luna was banished, so it can't he can't be discord, he was stone!

I totally agree. He was still
Alive after luna was banished, so it can't he can't be discord, he was stone!


You have raeped my mind in so many ways.<br>Good ways. So I guess it's not raep, but rather a mind blow?

You have raeped my mind in so many ways.
Good ways. So I guess it's not raep, but rather a mind blow?


Star swill did come before celestia because in the book of the two sisters it says that.


Well, maybe he couldn't finish the spell because he was transformed into discord and filled with hate, and no memory...


Hear me out What if Discord and Starswirl switched bodies, and Idenities.  WHen the Draconis came to equestria to reak chaos starswirl tried a new spell to defeat them, but failed and since he had no friends he switched bodies with a draconis instead.  He has been known to travel to alot of places and it could happen.


While we know it isn't true, sadly, we can always use a new head cannon, right?


the books say that star swirl was one of the few that convinced luna and celestia to rule and helps them set up all they needed. the castle right above the tree of harmany. after they defeated discord. its in the two sisters Diary. so not trying to be mean but this is not true. and yes the books and comics are ligets cause they are made by hasbro who made mlpfim


If so, I will never watch any of (ForgotHerName)'s videos. I already think her stories are boring to listen to. So, if the story I listened to is proven to be not true, she's the worst story writer I've seen on the internet.


I will prove this theory is wrong<br>in the book - THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS star swirl makes celestia and luna as princesses of equestrian. so star swirl was a friend to luna and celestia .

I will prove this theory is wrong
in the book - THE JOURNAL OF THE 2 SISTERS star swirl makes celestia and luna as princesses of equestrian. so star swirl was a friend to luna and celestia .


The theory might be right about  discord and star s. might be the same person cause the mane connection they both have that they don't know about friend ship and the spell that twi read in S3 is where it doesn't make sense that how come she read it only switch  only her friends CM and when he read the spell it some how deformed him . Are you guys just going off of theory little details  from the episodes of the show or are you going by the books as well like i found a book that cadence was a pegasus before she was an alacorn.


how do the elements of harmony work and how did they come into being and how did the tree belonging to the elements come into being as well


i dont think its as easy as DISCORD = STAR SWERL i think even it is the same body that doesnt mean it is the same soul in the same way that in adventure time simon and ice king inhabit the same body but are not the same person there are my 2 cents :)


It does make alot of sense but if twilight made the book star swirl made work
and if he IS discord why does he have such a connection with fluttershy?
Does he not remember?


understoad! changing the elements of harmony makes chaos! just like discord do(/-es, did)!


it dose not matter what the conics say, if it contradicts the show then its no longer cannon


One reason is that the princesses<br>Were friends with discord right  after the war and so it might be possible that you right because star swirl was before the war

One reason is that the princesses
Were friends with discord right  after the war and so it might be possible that you right because star swirl was before the war


Omg. I know it will never happen. (Come on, too complex for little girls(and me, Derpy, should be talking about complex?)) but this all make sense.Jesus, dude, you are genius!


I am sorry, but the comics have disproven your timeline, as Starswirl was around after Discord's fall.


umm.. I disagree with you because of the following reasons
1. Discords PARENTS killed off Celestia and lunas parents.
2. Discord goes on a journey with Celestia and Luna on their journey to find their parents
3. Discord was ashamed of what his parents did
4. He later found a pleasure in what his parents did and followed in their footsteps

I rest my case


you gotta read the comics, it pretty much destroys your timeline.


I've always wonder why discord has a horn plus the magic is yellow


Just buy the journal of the two sisters and you are ging to now every thing you need to!


What I don't get is how celly and luna lived for about 10040 years! ( Cuz they looked about 40 in season 4 ep. 2)


starswirl might of transformed into discord like when Luna transformed into nightmare moon but not remembering who they really are, from all the negativity they had


Some people believe sombra was Starswirl

Me I believe both are possible


Your Timeline is ruined by the Journal of the Two Sisters. The Royal Sisters knew Starswirl. This is Canon according to Amy Keeting Rogers.


I thought starswerll made the elements of harmony


wasn't star swirl also after Discords imprison?


This is my theory,do get ur popcorn<br>Starswirl, clovers mentor, tried to turn himself into a alicorn but wound up switching up hi body and turned him into a draciconitrus (srry for poop spelling)and he didn't know what to do with himself so he decided do cause some chaos. Then princess celestia and princess Lund stood up and turned him to stone then pony's lived in peace for 1,000 years. That's my theory. Could be right or I could be wrong

This is my theory,do get ur popcorn
Starswirl, clovers mentor, tried to turn himself into a alicorn but wound up switching up hi body and turned him into a draciconitrus (srry for poop spelling)and he didn't know what to do with himself so he decided do cause some chaos. Then princess celestia and princess Lund stood up and turned him to stone then pony's lived in peace for 1,000 years. That's my theory. Could be right or I could be wrong


that is SO ttoottaallyy true!! omg you are briliant! i could never figure that out!! 😄


yeah i could see this happening and if you think about it really does make scene


I do not think you make any REAL valid points. All of the events you say take place are... unlikely.And the logic where Starswirl had no friends so the spell changed his body is illogical.Also why would he want to become immortal? I mean really, i don't think anypony would like to be sent into an eternity of being shunned and seen as a villain.And him taking over Equestria only for the fact that he was bored is just...foalish. You just took all sorts of different puzzles and forced pieces to fit together, completely disregarding the fact that NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY REMOTE SENSE.


Aaaaand the Season 4 finally crushes this stupid theory forever.


See I love your headcannen but the only thing is celestia know who starswerill the bearded was so discord must of made starsweirl back to normal and from then on discord couldn't go and be starswerill the bearded eney more.

( my headcannen 😃😃😜😜)


Star Swirl The Bearded had 1 freind King Sombra Before he was king and in that time he was a crystal pony then he started useing dark magic and he became corrppted.


ok even if Discord was Star Swirl I don't think it's really that he keeping it a secret but that he FORGOT he was Star Swirl.


Also discord had the same beard as mr swirled!


Cool! You've got a bulletproof theory too!


The Brony Nation,I have a question:Why do some ponies did not appear in equestria girls?


Wait,wait,wait... IF this is true, IF, a draqouendsdsfm(how ever its spelt) swapped bodies with StarSwirl, what happened to the draq...you know what i mean. What happened to it? Surely they swapped, so that would mean that the THINGYS mind was put into StarSwirls body... wouldn't it?

And where did it come from, what happended to the rest of its species?


Wait.
If Starswirl was Celestia's apprentice and Clover was Starswirl's apprentice...and that was before Celestia's reign... Plot hole?
 (I probably got something wrong and sorry 4 bad grammar I'm only 12)


In the Season 4 premiere, Celestia and Luna were ruled during the time that Discord was ruling as well.


Brony Notion,we have seen Discord turn into a unicorn before in season 4 so would that mean he just turned into Star Swirl to gain the trust of Princess Celestia and Luna While in this stage he may have been learning the pony's names and all that..I guess like Pinkie Pie. Im not going against you or anything though.


watch rose ink's discords fall you will see discords back story and see discords Not star swirl, also if he was star swirl was friends with tirek's brother which means if he was star swirl why would he join forces with him knowing he is a backstabber do I make my point :3 I think star swirl is the shadow pony not discord


maybe star swirld turned himself into discord and lost contol and that onther stuff happend


Watch the season 4 finaley and it proves discord is not star swirl the bearded.


Discord is NOT star swirl  cause if twilight finish star swirls spell in the magical cure discord would turn back in to star swirl and nothing happens to discord


NOOO!!! You no one else noticed??! <b>The chin of Starswirl and Discord</b> BEARDS!!

NOOO!!! You no one else noticed??! *The chin of Starswirl and Discord* BEARDS!!


You are way past wrong. If you read the comics then you would know that discord is not star swirl. Because in the comic i read, Princess Celestia Star swirl is in the comic while discord is stone.


Tias and Luna's rule came b4 discord turning to stone


Some people are saying that star swirled the bearded is not discord but then how did discord come about id he was born not transformed there would have to be other like him


No, you can't say Meghan is wrong, she knows way more about the show then you do. So stop


discord did not have FRIENDS  and celistia said that star swirld did not understand FRIENDHIP as twilight did


why would the spell turn his body into that wouldn't just do nothing


Discord is NOT Star Swirled cuz Star Swirled was GOOD. Duh.


yeah good theory cause on keep calm and flutter on we find out that discord didnt actully have any freinds until now


And now i have even more fact he was created bye star swirl and stiched like franken stain he is star swirls franken stain.


i recomend watching inkroses story on this.


But celestia and luna grew up WITH discord....


Star swirl the bearded has no friends that spell was chaos it wasn't?


Could you send me the link to the you tube downloader, I got several results and I want to get the right one.


Im the Discord President i Realy am And i know that Discord is Infact not Star swirl.


If the maker said that what ur saying is false, it's false. End of story.

I believe that wat Kim said is true so I don't like dis video.


Reasons This Theory IS False:

1. THE ACTUAL FREAKIN' WRITERS OF MLP SAID IT WAS FALSE! The End.
2. Discord and Star Swirl are obviously two very different characters and they're of a different species (which @***** pointed out).

So do us a small favor and stop forcing this theory on MLP!

~Dash~

*Reasons This Theory IS False:*

1. *THE ACTUAL FREAKIN' WRITERS OF MLP SAID IT WAS FALSE! The End.*
2. Discord and Star Swirl are *obviously* two *very* different characters and they're of a different species (which @***** pointed out).

So do us a small favor and *stop* forcing this theory on MLP!

~Dash~

Her Loyal Highness, Princess Rainbow Dash


actuly this all makes sence and discord IS starswirl


OMG!!! This makes perfect sense! ur so smart :)


i have to say i believe you more then kp


Yeeeaaah, no... I'm with KP on this one. I'm sorry, but there are far too many inconsistencies.


But how when he still be alive unless she is he is immortal


Both of you are wrong ;T DrWolf made a good theory.


Star Swirl Make Celestia and Luna princesses!


It said he did not understand friendship like Twi did. That doesn't  necessarily mean he didn't have friends, he just didn't have the friendship link with his friends like Twilight did with her friends.


I learned a lot from ink rose. You would too.


HE'S NOT STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED!!!!!!!! RAHHHHHH >:(


on 2:12 he probly just messed up the spell!!!!


discord is not star swirl because discord hid away while the alicorn were learing from unicone,pegesi and earth,star swirl taught magic


Discord is not star swirl ink rose said discord was saved by celestial and Luna because celestial and Luna's mom and dad was fighting chaos.


24 k how the hell have i not heard of this guy?  How long have you been around?


AND WHY IS HIS OC A PONY MAKER ONE TAKE THE TIME AND MAKE ON FROM A BASE AND USE IT WITH PAINT


Brony you need to watch ink rose discords and celestias,lunas bacstory


Ok looks like what I thot was rong discord is  *Swirled the bearded


I m on Kim possibles side because I believe Star Swirl is the ShAdOw PoNy lol

@Rose The Fox The shadow pony was a last bits of Nightmare Moon's magic.

But maybe the only thing left of the original Starswirl would be his shadow?

@Rose The Fox For number 3, the shadow pony was created when Luna was banished.  Tirek was jailed <i>before</i> that.

@Rose The Fox For number 3, the shadow pony was created when Luna was banished.  Tirek was jailed _before_ that.

Idk maybe no one is the shadow pony maybe there are npmore than one sort if like the changeling army

Lol but why would Tirek  take the form of a shadow pony then hide in the castle of the two sisters why not somewhere else were no pony would find him

@Glassy Views  1: Tirek wasn't in jail when the shadow pony appeared, remember?
2: No, but he was the size of one
3: I don't get it

Hm well the reason I don't believe that is because 1 Tirek is at jail
2 he is not a pony
And last but not least 3 he isn't tied somehow with Luna's dark magic

The "shadow pony" (At least this is what I think) is Tirek


OK now in da ep where discord was sick he didn't rlly seem to WANT pinkie pie to take care of him :/ even when she she was the only pony who said she could!! Does that mean he doesn't like pinkie pie? Pls figure did out for me!!


THIS IS NO LIE my friend gone yo brony con and she asked the people and they said he is all ways their .... wacthing snd waiting no lie


Ink rose said that star swirl died from old age


Watch  s1 ep2 then Watch fue cristal umpire part 1


Um no in a clip I saw
Rainbow dash says how they
(Lost) 1000 years too a evil king
And your video you say star swirl
Being discord fills in a huge gap
And then where dose nightmare
Moon come in pleas can you explain :)


So this guy has a ROBLOX account huh?.. I challenge you to a sword fight. :^)


I am not going to watch your videos of lies anymore.


GO BACK TO PART ONE AND READ MY COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@The Brony Notion


This is based too much on theory. Not reliable at all


Hey I made a MLPFM story would you read it and tell me what you think. It's by Kindness to everyone and thing


nightmare moon is comeing <br>Bake celestial will fall

nightmare moon is comeing
Bake celestial will fall


WWWHHYYY? A SPANISH AD BEFORE THE VIDEO!!1


well well well....... hhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......


Here curtsy of @*****  ^_-<br>(related vids)

Here curtsy of @*****  ^_-
(related vids)


No I can explain to if u want but if u don't I won't bother


I'd like to debunk this awesome theory that I loved to follow as well. Discord existed in Equestria BEFORE Celestia and Luna came to power as shown in the Season 4 premiere. He ruled it and Celestia and Luna came to challenge him to help the ponies of Equestria. Celestia also clearly knew Starswirl seeing that he's a long time friend. I think that means starswirl is probably a pony that came after Discord's fall when Celestia might have been looking for someone to take the thrown after Luna's change to Nightmare moon.


The only thing that makes me confused at this theory is the question, is Draconequus a species? The saying "the only one of his kind" could be taken that he's the only creature like himself or that his race is gone except him. IF Discord is the only creature that exist as himself, then the Starswirl been Discord theory or that Starswirl created Discord theory can be true. But if Draconequus is a species, it seems too coincidental that Starswirl's incident created or made himself become a Draconequus, rather than a monster no one has ever seen before in the history of Equestria.

Also, Princess Celestia describes him as the "Spirit of Chaos" which would assume he's always had that form... For that reason I don't think the Draconequus is a species, but it also makes the Discord= Starswirl argument look weak... Good point though. /)


With recent revelations in the four part series in the comic of MLP Friendship is Magic I'd say this finally shows that Discord and Star Swirl are separate. But for a stronger reason to why they're not the same person/pony/being is that Star Swirl was present for Celestia and Luna's rule of Equestria after they imprisoned Discord.


Interesting thoughts, though one must remember that at the start of Season 4, Celestia mentions it's been only 1 year since Twilight was sent to Ponyville, Nightmare Moon was unsealed, Twi found friends and the Elements of Harmony, then freed Luna from Nightmare Moon's control.

So that's 65 episodes of stuff occurring over the one year (and some of them taking a week or two in-episode time), and Season 3's events at the latest could be early-Summer IF the Summer Sun Celebration is equivalent to the Summer Solstice (and Mayor Mare's line at ~19:20 in FiM S1 E1 indicates SSC is basically Summer Solstice), so if we finagle the episodes to try and fit Luna eclipsed with Nightmare Night (Halloween) to be in S1 before Winter Wrap Up (the last day of Winter before the start of Spring but after Fall Weather Friends, that means most of Season 1 & 2 occur during mid-late summer through Autumn/Fall, then a (short) Winter (since Hearths Warming Eve seems to be roughly like Christmas, being middle if winter, and only episode other than WWU to be in or near Winter) and Season 3 happens during a Spring/Summer going into S4.

So that means Discord's appearances could be as soon as (like) 1 month apart, but no more than 5 months apart (if after Winter Wrap-Up) or 8 months apart (if around the time of Nightmare Night) if we give a one-month buffer between Keep Calm And Flutter On and Princess Twilight Sparkle.
Personally, I'd put his appearance in Return of Harmony as shortly after Winter Wrap Up (so VERY early Spring) to try and give a decent buffer between then and Keep Calm And Flutter On.

Of course, trying to wrangle the first three seasons into a timeline that fits somewhat in line with a typical 52-week/13-lunar month/12-calendar month year, gets to be a bit of a headache even for someone who's good at trying to figure out that sort of stuff.

Interesting thoughts, though one must remember that at the start of Season 4, Celestia mentions it's been only 1 year since Twilight was sent to Ponyville, Nightmare Moon was unsealed, Twi found friends and the Elements of Harmony, then freed Luna from Nightmare Moon's control.

So that's 65 episodes of stuff occurring over the one year (and some of them taking a week or two in-episode time), and Season 3's events at the latest could be early-Summer *IF* the Summer Sun Celebration is equivalent to the Summer Solstice (and Mayor Mare's line at ~19:20 in FiM S1 E1 indicates SSC is basically Summer Solstice), so if we finagle the episodes to try and fit Luna eclipsed with Nightmare Night (Halloween) to be in S1 before Winter Wrap Up (the last day of Winter before the start of Spring but after Fall Weather Friends, that means most of Season 1 & 2 occur during mid-late summer through Autumn/Fall, then a (short) Winter (since Hearths Warming Eve seems to be roughly like Christmas, being middle if winter, and only episode other than WWU to be in or near Winter) and Season 3 happens during a Spring/Summer going into S4.

So that means Discord's appearances could be as soon as (like) 1 month apart, but no more than 5 months apart (if after Winter Wrap-Up) or 8 months apart (if around the time of Nightmare Night) if we give a one-month buffer between Keep Calm And Flutter On and Princess Twilight Sparkle.
Personally, I'd put his appearance in Return of Harmony as shortly after Winter Wrap Up (so VERY early Spring) to try and give a decent buffer between then and Keep Calm And Flutter On.

Of course, trying to wrangle the first three seasons into a timeline that fits somewhat in line with a typical 52-week/13-lunar month/12-calendar month year, gets to be a bit of a headache even for someone who's good at trying to figure out that sort of stuff.


I kinda think that this history you showed is pretty obvious. I don't think there's any debate that Discord could be Star Swirl the Bearded. Really its just headcanon territory that swings all depending on your preference.


I like to think that celestia and luna were already in power when discord came into existence, and there was an epic fight (that luna and celestia lost), and they witnessed the destruction of equestria as they failed to defeat him. They immediately hide near the outskirts of ponyville, and the world is in a state of chaos for a long time. They find the elements of harmony (notice how they look bruised and weary of a long fight) and approach discord on his throne, turning him to stone.


Though you make good points, some of it still doesn't fit to me. She didn't say he didnt have friends. She only said he didn't under STAND it the way twilight did. And if starswirl was that high in society ponies would have to at least try and look for him, or AT LEAST be a LITTLE suspicious to where he would of gone/ disappeared to right? Then all the sudden a dragconacis appears what like a year or so later? I would be suspicious  because no one ever found him, and they all knew he was one of the best spell makers/ wizard in history. I also have a agree with Inkrose's theory about out Luna, Celly, and even Discords parents and why we only have 2 blood alicorns where did their parents go? I believe that there was a war between the 2 races while the 3 were children. Ok I'm done this is my opinion. Hoof in the dirt and staying there<br>


I have a theory of my own: Why would the spell effect Starswirl when he cast it yet absolutely nothing happened to Twilight when she cast it? Also if the spell did do that to Starswirl then why would Celestia give Twilight such a dangerous spell?


I actually have a book written by the creators(so therefore it is canon) that is The Journal of the Two Sisters. It begins when they come to power and ends when they get their cutie marks. Discord is never once mentioned.  But Starswirl is in the majority of the book. He at one point loses is magic by using it for a spell to powerful for him to do it as much as he did. And when the princesses came to power he was already a bit more than middle-aged


I'm still going to have to agree with KP. In the comics, Starswirl was still there even during Celestia's rule. They travelled worlds together for pete's sakes. Okay, the comics may not be canon.. but neither is your head canon. :P


ok, the theory of the spell was pretty damn interesting. Congrats on thinking about it. After all if that was the case that would explain why someone like him just couldnt finish the spell.


Actually, just one little line from the Season Four finale proves this theory invalid. If Scorpan befriended Starswirl, AKA pretty much the time Tyrek was banished... Then how did Tyrek know who Discord was if Starswirl was him?


I have come to like the idea that StarSwirl the Bearded used magic on the tree of harmony to create the elements of harmony, possibly as a weapon to fight King Sombre, but couldn't control the spell effectively enough. He made the element artifacts but it drained the 5 emotional elements out of him, causing him to be unable to express any of them. (This is defining 'laughter' as purely positive laughter and distinct from 'mockery', so one would still see humour and laugh without the laughter element but only in malicious ways.) The magic backlash transformed his body and gave him immense power causing him to become an embodiment of chaos. They had said that both Discord and Sombra were 1000 years ago, the two events were somewhat close together. We also have no idea how much time passed between the hearthswarming migration and the rule of Discord, StarSwirl could have been Twilight's age during the migration and an old man when Sombra showed up. They also don't say how long Discord was in power, I tend to think given the extreme nature of his manipulation Ponies wouldn't have survived long under him. How does one grow crops when the dirt could turn into marshmallows and the crops could turn into fish? It makes sense to me that Discord's rule may have only lasted as long as it took the princesses to find the elements of harmony. Also, in the flashback episode Discord clearly knew what the elements were, what the tree of harmony was, where the tree of harmony was, how to weaken the tree and that doing so would force them to put the elements back into it. He has extensive knowledge of what the elements are and how they work, beyond what Celestia knows. It makes sense that he made them.

@The Brony Notion I was thinking about your video where you said that Sombra's defeat must have been before Discord, and they didn't use the elements of harmony to do it. I think you're right, so I've revised my timeline.

Sombra uses the inspiration spell, it becomes clear he intends to become a villain. StarSwirl uses the spell to fight him in Canterlot and fails, Sombra then conquers the Crystal Empire with the Changeling army. Celestia and Luna train in their magic with the intent of defeating him, but it's a while before they are strong enough (otherwise Sombra is defeated too soon, it makes more sense if he rules for at least a couple of years) Celestia and Luna eventually head north to defeat Sombra, StarSwirl stays behind and tells them he has a plan to create magical artifacts that will aid them if their current power proves insufficient. StarSwirl becomes Discord and conquers Equestria in their absence, they successfully defeat Sombra and drive the Changelings into exile, only to return home to utter chaos and the suffering of their people. The sisters are completely unaware that Discord is StarSwirl, thinking that he killed their mentor. They delve into his research to find out what the elements of harmony are and where to find them. They defeat Discord, never learning the fate of StarSwirl and take their places as Princesses and Equestria's rulers, using their magic to repair Discord's damage and take control of the ruined solar system. And of course, Luna becomes NightMare Moon because of slow corruption from Sombra's dark magic.

@The Brony Notion Good point about the crystals. This theory would make Equestria Sombra's home, Perhaps he chose to go to the Crystal Empire and conquer it rather than conquering Equestria because it was already crystalline, fitting his obsession.

YESSS! As I was watching today's episode, I thought Rarity was turning pony-ville into a Crystal Empire! I do however believe the empire was originally crystal because of non-evil elements like the crystal heart. It was interesting how Twilight called what happened "Dark Magic"! /)

@The Brony Notion Here's an updated version: Sombra was Starswirl's student, he stole the 'inspiration manifestation' spell book and used it's power to create an army of shapeshifting monsters with which to conquer the Crystal Empire, turning it all to crystal and even giving the ponies there the crystal form because of his obsession with crystals. Starswirl used the same spell to combat Sombra, but it wasn't enough by itself so he used the spell's power on the tree of harmony to create the elements of harmony, draining the emotions linked to the elements from him in the process and turning him into Discord. Sombra ruled the north while Discord ruled the south until his younger student Celestia and her sister Luna could find the elements of harmony and use them to defeat both and drive the Changeling army into exile but not before Sombra could infect Luna with his dark magic which slowly corrupted her and years later turned her into Nightmare Moon and IT'S ALL CONNECTED!!!!!

Very interesting theory! I hope the writers give the villians and Starswirl a proper  back-story in this season's finale! /)


The show disproves this, actually.<br>Tirek's brother knew Star Swirl the Bearded, and Celestia and Luna were in power. Since the sisters were currently ruling, Discord was still stone, and therefore couldn't be present otherwise. Even if they weren't in power, Tirek was first defeated before Star Swirl has transformed, but somehow he recognized Discord in the S4 finale.

The show disproves this, actually.
Tirek's brother knew Star Swirl the Bearded, and Celestia and Luna were in power. Since the sisters were currently ruling, Discord was still stone, and therefore couldn't be present otherwise. Even if they weren't in power, Tirek was first defeated before Star Swirl has transformed, but somehow he recognized Discord in the S4 finale.


This may have already been put forward but there is one other part that could lend itself to this theory, and remember ponies, this is theory. Only the writers know where they are heading. But take note that Celestia gave Fluttershy the task of making friends with Discord. This would be quite apt when you consider Starswirl was not very good on the friendship part which is an accurate point. In a way, could Celestia know the truth and be attempting to bring back Starswirl through the magic of friendship.........the mind boggles but its great fun to think abou it!


I disagree. If Starswirl had no friends, I don' t believe the spell would work. Which would be why he he gave up trying to finish his spell, and leaves Equestria. With one of the most powerful unicorns gone, Discord decides it should be safe to mess around with Equestria.


Read the journal of the 2 sisters, they did not become princesses after discord was turned to stone. After the land was named eqeustria, the sisters were asked to be their leaders.


Well, most headcannon says that discord was there when Tia and Luna were BORN. And the fact the discord is a draquonanous means that that is a type of species it is and is not a big mash of everything.


Why does nobody ever make the assertion that Sombra is Starswirl? It did happen around the same time, and with Starswirl's time magic, it would explain why the crystal kingdom was popping in and out of existence every thousand years. And since we know that Starswirl was a scholar among other things, is it not more plausible, that Starswirl was in the process of studying the dark magic and fell to its corruption, thus becoming the dark unicorn Sombra? Seems far more likely to me. It would also explain why Celestia and Luna never mention Starswirl when talking about Discord, and why they didn't seek his aid in fighting Discord. Or you know, HERE'S a novel idea. Starswirl was JUST a unicorn. An admittedly brilliant unicorn yes, but still just a unicorn, and like all unicorns, he DIED of old age. End of story. No freaky transformations, no dark corruption, no immortality spells, he JUST died, that's it. And considering that Celestia, in her role as wise mentor, never even mentions any of the dangers or warning signs associated with these other theories, to Twilight Sparkle, I am inclined to go with the natural death theory.

@The Brony Notion (\ Much appreciated. I actually have a few thoughts on that spell as well. Celestia clearly states that Starswirl was never able to get it right, and thus abandoned it, so to me, that would suggest that history (if not Celestia herself) was aware of what happened to him during and after his attempts with the spell, and since I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed him turning into a Draconaquis, I would speculate that nothing happened. Which leads to my next point. What if nothing /actually/ happened when he cast it? What if the only reason it did anything when Twilight cast it, is because the elements of harmony were right there, and since the elements are linked to her friends, it was as if they were right there with her, thus allowing the spell to affect them. And since, like you said, it seems like Starswirl had few, if any friends, it's completely possible that he was alone most of the time, thus giving his spell nobody to effect, causing it to simply do nothing. Which brings me to my last point, the spell itself. If you pay attention to the wording of the spell, it becomes clear that it's a destiny spell, or a spell to change destiny, and not simply a 'swapping' spell, thus why it only affected their cutie marks, the pictorial representation of their special abilities, the things that tell them what they are meant to do in life, a symbol of their destiny. So even if Starswirl got the spell to work with or without others being around and the spell had backfired on him, I would postulate that all that would have happened was that he got his cutie mark switched, not his body, and certainly not just pieces of his body. But again, that's just how it looks to me.

0___o  THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!! Well, Sombra's character does desperately need a back-story.  There's something to your theory, but I'm sticking to mah guns on this one. Reason Being the pieces seem to fit together better in the Discord = Starswirl theory, like how the unfinished spell would have scrambled his body. Your probably right though. Good thinking dude! /)


maybe Celestia helped to keep her subjects in ignorance in the same way she made everyone forget Luna even existed and instead she was remembered as simply a fairytale


in the season 4 finale they show the antagonist's brother actually befriend starswirl, but this all occurred during the rule of the princesses so... theory has fault in it and the writers have to get there sh** together when writing proper equestrian lore<br>


i always thought star swirl was an apprentice during the reign of the sisters after discord.


Both of you have very strong opinions with lots of evidence to back them up with. They both fit really well. Thus, I am confused as to which side I should take :/ Maybe I should create my own head canon....


This TOTALLY clashes with what we know from the comics. Celestia was friends with starswirl the bearded.

Heh, look at this, a rager talking to herself. Weird.

but it doesn't explain why celestia hates him so much in oppose to her LOVE (aplatonic love, of course) to Starswirl.


If the writer of the show says he isn't Starswirl the Bearded, why do you say, "Oh, the creators are wrong, even though they made the whole backstory for Discord."

While I understand where you're going... I still feel like if a writer said it isn't true, I would feel like it wouldn't be. But, we all think different things about the show, you're intitled to think he is Star Swirl. ^^;

There's two different approaches to this, #1 is whether or not it looks like the writers are going to do this in the future, or #2 whether or not it would work in the shows cannon. I took the second approach, but both are valid. Megan McCarthy doesn't have full say over what is to happen in the future anyway.


I'm in with you on this one.
I just hope it doesn't go the opposite way, because it would be so cool to see twilights face when it's figured out.
xD


Starswirls's spell was a failure, something incomplete, therefor not meant to do that exactly if i recall ... and even if it was his intention, he did not make a transforming spell, only one spell that changed a ponies personality/cutiemark/ or something else...

BUt you have one good point, Starswirls the bearded could have transformed into Discord without witnesses..


The sisters reign was longer, because after solidifying there rule, they took on Sombre. The Crystal empire was in the far reaches of Equestria, so it was technically a different country.( you could also assume Sombre dark magic infected and somehow created Queen Chrysalis). Afterwords Luna was also infected by dark magic, banished, and the wonderbolts (and rainbow factory) was created to relieve Celestia.


one thing i do like about this theory is that it explains why Celestia believed Discord could be reformed


Hmmmmm.... I think this might be right. I read a comic, and it seemed like that star swirl and Tia and Star Swirl were very good friends.<br>I watched the end of season four. Discord gives Tia roses. If they were good friends, maybe Star Swirl ended up liking Tia. He probably held on to his love after he turned to Discord, thus giving Tia flowers. 😃

Hmmmmm.... I think this might be right. I read a comic, and it seemed like that star swirl and Tia and Star Swirl were very good friends.
I watched the end of season four. Discord gives Tia roses. If they were good friends, maybe Star Swirl ended up liking Tia. He probably held on to his love after he turned to Discord, thus giving Tia flowers. 😃


although all these reasons are fitting, the fact that the spell transformed him doesn't make sense, it clearly shows it only has the power to change someones destiny and thoughts, like they thought  they were each other, meh i'm having writing block today :I, but still the spell only seems to twist the facts and personalities not a whole persons body shape, and with star swirls knowledge and logic there's no reason for him to transform let alone want to, plus its highly unlogical if the all of a sudden starts wanting to hurt other ponies, plus the whole theory is really unneeded and out of the topic in the first place and BAM here it comes taking the makers by surprise since there's no much against it, i mean what famous unicorn would want to give it up and i bet that they'll make a new episode in the future stating that star swirl lived his life to the end.


Dear sweet Celestia, it just makes TOO MUCH sense for Starswirl and Discord to be one and the same.


i don't think that spell theory would work because the spell swapped their destiny's not their identity's, so probably when star swirl used the spell it probably had no affect.<br>plus if the spell did work like that he probably would have asked tia and luna for help they did know each other after all.

i don't think that spell theory would work because the spell swapped their destiny's not their identity's, so probably when star swirl used the spell it probably had no affect.
plus if the spell did work like that he probably would have asked tia and luna for help they did know each other after all.


this is a good thoery. How ever I only ask one question of you. When gaining his draguoniquos form did it START the gain choas, did this shadows take over, or did he relize all he could do and put it to task. Though in keep calm flutter on, I feel like in beauty in the beast all this will be revealed because star swirl will find his true destiny once again.


But how could Star Swirl be Celestia's past student if they weren't in power yet and he was Discord when they could have met? How could they have previously met and why was he her student when she was not in need of an heir/ a ruler? OH! She was looking for someone to replace her at her sun duties when she dies. But then why choose an old man? Unless being her student has nothing to do with being an apprentice and she was just teaching him alicorn/strong magic.


This is a very interesting theory, but it's up to the writers in the end. :)


this does make since but wouldn't he try to turn himself back or at least tell someone
like celestia?
and if twilight figured it out he could turn himself back or again he likes his new form and wants to keep it a secret. plus i don't think fluttershy and starswirl ( discord ) could be together. seeing them together would just be a little weird discord though not so bad.


That actually makes a lot of sense. Mabey discord IS starswirl the bearded!


You missed something. Discord could also be Starswirl because of other reasons that you missed BECAUSE of disregarding the comics. Try thinking about how cheerful and funny he was in the comics. That could actually make a big difference in some stuff. Now it might not actually directly explain HOW he is Discord, but there are some supporting facts. Just think, if Starswirl was very cranky, angry and basically terrible, he'd probably come of mare evil and malicious. But Discord was more of a funny chaotic type, and he  was always so happy and laughing. And when you think about it, Starswirl, as stated in the comics 'Acts more like Pinkie Pie than Twilight'... and He said 'And my favorite element... laughter!'. So he likes laughter and likes to be different and is always laughing just like Starswirl. Their personalities match up, and Discord isn't even all that evil. It wasn't like he was freaking killing ponies, just cause unhappiness and unrest, yet I have a feeling it was just him playing pranks until everyone started hating it. So it all matches up.


In Twilight's Kingdom, they say that Tirek's brother (I forget his name) was friends with Starswirl The Bearded. This disproves your head cannon because your theory relies on the fact Starswirl didn't have friends, though it is stated he did. :) /)

Haha thanks! I'm glad you enjoy them! (\

True, true. Great videos by the way, I'm enjoying marathoning them right now! /)

So Starswirl WAS more sociable that we thought he was... I'm not really leaning towards this theory anymore myself, but the explanation I gave was only one of the several possibilities of how the transformation <b>could have</b> taken place. It doesn't necessarily disprove it. Good thinking though! /)

So Starswirl WAS more sociable that we thought he was... I'm not really leaning towards this theory anymore myself, but the explanation I gave was only one of the several possibilities of how the transformation *could have* taken place. It doesn't necessarily disprove it. Good thinking though! /)


I disagree. When Twilight said the spell, it didn't affect her. Even though Star Swirl had no friends, it would not a affect him. Just my opinion.


You said that Star Swirl's spell was for mixing up the spell-caster's friends(not necessarily on purpose... or was it?) maybe, if he really had no friends, that might have made sense, but in the show, it doesn't say anything about the spell mixing up anyone's friends, just about it confusing and changing specifically the elements of harmony. What you said might be the case, because Twilight was the one who cast the spell, and her friends just happen to be the spirits representing the elements of harmony.

As you can see, I am on neither side of this debate. xD

On the other hoof, what you said might be the case, because Twilight was the one who cast the spell, and her friends just happen to be the spirits representing the elements of harmony, so they were changed.


Discord was born the way he was! IloveKimpossiblealot is right on how discord is not Star swirl


I'm on KP's team, If Star swirl the Bearded IS Discord, why would Celly show so much hatred for him?  (rolls eyes) I want this theory to end so badly, I might cry if it doesn't...


What if, ignoring comics, Starswirl the Bearded ruled Equestria in the time mentioned in hearts warming eve and the ponies chose Starswirl as a ruler to all ponies ,but he was strict, causing ponies to be unhappy.  Tia and Luna opposed him and when trying to use the elements on him, turned him into Discord because he wasn't bad.  Ponies still respected him and the princesses didn't tell anyone in fear of hatred towards them.  They used it again after he became was bitter from rejection from the ponies and caused chaos out of anger.


I happen to agree with brony nation since he did not have friends his spell backfired and turned him into a mix of animals thus he kept it a secret and hid.


i find the starswirld theory to be really far fetched, when he said he did not understood friendship as well as you do, does NOT mean he didnt have friends

Star Swirl did indeed have friends, but like Celestia said, he didn't understand friendship magic fully and he wasn't linked to the Elements. But putting the Discord = Star Swirl theory aside. What did the unfinished spell do on someone who wasn't linked to the Elements of Harmony? He must have at least tested the spell to conclude it wasn't working, right?

AND It's been proven wrong! :(  Ehhh Discord is interesting enough on his own.


My Theory... Is That Discord CAN Be Part Of Starswirl... Maybe When His Spell Gone Wrong His "Crazy" Or Even "Magic" Side, Separated From Him, Creating The First Draconaquis Ever! "Discord" =D


Um i find this highly inaccurate you must remember that Discord is a race of his own, so if Star Swirl is a unicorn how can he automatically change his race to Discord's Race( I forget it) And Discord was the ruler of Equestria, and Star swirl could have been a court mage if he was never taught Friendship and how would a spell that changes Friendship Change him if he has no friends to change, you have many hole in your theory my dear friend ,and why would he change his own name to discord, Star  Swirl, if he taught ponies wouldn't wanna cause chaos when he wanted to leave a legacy behind, and you must also remember that Discord gave Flowers to Celestia, did it never occur to you that Celestia would never mention this about Starswirl (Too many holes sheesh)  And i will not accept your theory until Discord admits it for himself. I have more corrections but i am not of will to say it. And Discord doesn't have the Wisdom of Star Swirl The bearded, he only has chaotic lesson teaching wisdom. He is like the cat in the hat


I believe Discord was created by Starswirl the bearded

Possibly on purpose or possibly accidentally.


Also, Starswirl did have one good friend- Celestia herself. YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT.

In all the comics, he was Pinkie level of friendly. Luna even made the comparison herself.

According to the finale of s4, he was also friends with Scorpan.


I prefer the idea that Discord i "Starswirl's Frankenstein", as a certain DragonwolfRooke put it and has npw been made into a song. Look it up.


i'm with kp on this your hole argument rests on starswirls spell causing a personal transformation nothing like what is what it dose for someone with friends and the fact that discord would not tell anyone he was starswirl. discord likes to show off, and with this in mind, I would think he would see his transformation into the all powerful being he is today as something to boast about therefor he would tell everyone he is star swirld

this video was made before the season 4 finally where discord digeses himself as a pony I think if starswirld discort could do that then he would hide his from  and work on a cure

Eh good point. I'm more neutral on the subject, like he could be, but he also might not be... /)


What gives you the right to do this...
Megan: I am the show back story maker and head writer, and I say Discord is NOT Star swirl.
You: Even though you write everything, this is why you, THE SHOW WRITER, is /wrong/.

I mean really, that isn't cool. If she says Discord isn't Star swirl, he isn't.


I like this headcanon, but didn't Celestia raise Star Swirl to be the powerful pony he was? If that's true then Star Swirl couldn't have lived before Celestia.

Possibly, I would just say the play was historically inaccurate. :P Sorta like our myths about Santa clause I guess haha. /)

Now that you mention it, this fact doesn't only clash with the headcanon but also with canon. So either the Christmas episode has a flaw or maybe Celestia made him a great wizard before she and Luna ruled over Equestria?

To the best of my knowledge, all the theories of Starswirl being mentored by Celestia are head-canons. It's tricky because the comics show that they lived in the same era, but whether those are canon or not is still up for debate. I think Starswirl lived before mainly because in the Christmas episode, Clover knew Starswirl. The events of that story, according to Spike, came long before the reign of the two princesses.... but that's also debatable, because the flag they put up in that play had the princesses on it.  Good question /)


but couldnt it stand to reason that Starswirl made discord because he felt lonely and needed a friend or son but during when he brought discord to life discord killed him in some accident


honestly, in season five and behond, starswirl may even come back, AS A PONY he is a powerful unicorn after all, just imagen the episode tite HEES BAAACCK.

I believe he is the shadow pony lol and I hope g<br>He dose come back

I believe he is the shadow pony lol and I hope g
He dose come back


I think I agree with ILoveKimPossibleAlot. I don't think Discord is Starswirl. Just look up Starswirl's Frankenstein. I think Discord was created by Starswirl.


3:35, or perhaps they erased it from the history books to preserve his honor out of respect.


I wouldn't be surprised if Starswirl turned out to be Discord.  Nor that the ponies of old missed that connection.  They didn't seem to connect the olden pony tale of the Mare on the Moon with Nightmare Moon, nor with the missing Princess of the Night.  My personal head cannon is that while working on that spell Twilight mastered at the end of season 3, he accidentally turned himself into his present form and went mad(so to speak).


all this to me proves that Discord is star swirled the bearded!


i dont think discord can organize his thoughts


You should read the comic reflections it explains some of this.


Another theory is in the season 3 finale Princess Celestia said he did not understand friendship like twilight does than in Keep Calm and Flutter On at first DISCORD was just USING fluttershy so she would not use her element against him than he says "I lost the one friend I ever had" and finally in "Threes a crowd" Discord says that Fluttershy is the only pony who truly understands him


1: not UNDERSTANDING frendship doesnt meen no friends.
2: the spell was broken. it could have made a huge explosion, cause the moon to crash to earth, a ton of different things could have happened.
Everything else i think is valid.


PLZ READ:<br>discord was not turn to stone before Luna and Cele's ruling if you read the journal of the two sisters it took place from when Cele and Luna was crowned till when they got there cutie marks and they didnt find the elments till after they where crowned princeses and in that manner they seid nothing of discord so it was after they got their cutie marks but i DO think discord is Star swirl because it seid that he had a brown beard insted of a white one so he could of turn into discorn after they got there cutie marks also if you want more info plz read the book

PLZ READ:
discord was not turn to stone before Luna and Cele's ruling if you read the journal of the two sisters it took place from when Cele and Luna was crowned till when they got there cutie marks and they didnt find the elments till after they where crowned princeses and in that manner they seid nothing of discord so it was after they got their cutie marks but i DO think discord is Star swirl because it seid that he had a brown beard insted of a white one so he could of turn into discorn after they got there cutie marks also if you want more info plz read the book


wouldn't discord then know about the elements? If so why did he LET himself be turned to stone?


Discord couldnt be starswirll because, when tia and luna turned him to stone tia said "I will always love you, my friend" which means discord, tia and luna all new each other before, and if they were friends he would tel tia and luna, get it.


Ever heard of the MLP comics? Maybe even the season finale, Twilights Kingdom? Your theory is easily disproved by both strong examples of evidence.

This video was made several months before Twilight's kingdom actually. I looked for evidence to disprove this iin that episode, but couldn't find any. If you have something that doesn't fit from that episode, let me know! As for the comics, I haven't read them yet, but I plan to in the near future.


...... Yo, can you guys not connect dots correctly? Oh wait, there's no dots to connect!! Where does Discord=Star Swirl even conform?! It makes no sense... Discord is a dranqunicus! They even say that's what he is! So your basically saying Star Swirl made up a while new species! He ain't god! I.... This.... My brain hurts from trying to comprehend how this even came to be a canon....


Maybe he is not. I have a MLP comic book IDW MLP sold in Hot Topic. Honolulu, Hawaii Alamoana Mall is where I got it. Young Celestia knew Star Swirled himself. In a way Celestia was his friend. They studied magic together and experimented the magic portals that was shown in Equestria Girls. At this moment Luna was still banished but Celestia was at power. During that according to you Discord is in stone while Star Swirl is ALIVE. I have comic issues 17, 18, and 19


It doesn't make sent because the time line is wrong and discord was release before luna escape from the moon again and she came back after a few months. She put herself back on the so she can have some alone time to herself to think more of what she had done. Then she came to night mare night and she scared children but she realized that it was fun to be scared.   <br>


I KNEW IT STAR SWIRLED MIGHT HAVE USED CAOS MAGIC THAT HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHICH TURNED HIM INTO DISCORD!!!!!!!!


ok, here's my reasoning as to why discord isn't star swirl
simply put I don't think one can simply 'become' a dracanaquse (I know I butchered that, forgive me XP)
to me it seems to be the thing you ether are or are not
like you ether are or you are not a unicorn
or you ether are or you are not African amarican


i'm not agree with the 1000 years of stoned discord because nightmare moon was banished 1000 years and discord was stoned before and after the banishment!


Yet discord was REformed a few eps later he changed To EVIL ONCE AGAIN |( few mins later he learned that some people aren't worth it but what if season 5 or if there is more seasons JUST what if later on the seasons discord is NOT star swirl don't mean to brake it up to you but if discord star I'm saying its a 50% chance


no stop at 1:54 ok when you say he didnt have friends thats not what celelstia is saying she is saying he didnt understand what friendship is unlike twilight who hold the elements of harmony with her friend that have the magic of friendship. so star swirl does not share the elements nor does he know what they do because like you said he was before celestia. so he had friends but didnt understand the true meaning of friendship.


At the beginning: why is discord so awesome

AHAHAHAH


in s3e10 at around 16 mins into the episode discord says "well... ive never really had any friends..."


Ok if discord is star swirl the breaded, princess celestia and luna would know. Star swirl did understand friendship but not as much as twilight.didn't you see the writing in the book?


As cool as it would be if this is true, it's probably not.


He is in NO way star swirl the bearded. *facepalm


But, just because Starswirl didn't completely understand friendship doesn't mean he had no friends.. Meh. I'm just a supporter of ink roses Headcannon theory I guess/:


ilovekimpossiblealot does have a point but clover the clever could have been his friend........ Right??????/


YOU SEE discord is their CHILDHOOD friend and star swirl was there BEFORE discord


x3 I still agree with ILoveKimPossibleAlot


to bad for you the comics show star swirl the bearded alive and AS A PONY post Luna's banishment and Luna fought Discord. Finally killing this theory once and for all.


I love the movie you talked a little about!


I actually agree, the swamping thing I actually freken agree, what if he did that spell on the animals he is parts of, then he got spawped into them, think about it, if u don't agree tell me nicely, plz I HATE getting yelled at ;-;, anyways that's my agree on the spell.


Can you not accept that discord has a species and the rest of them dided out


just to let you know just to say discord was c and l pet before he ran away came back and started wreaking hevok on everypony


discord is not star swirl the bearded!!!


but on the last episode on mlp that every body saw was twightlights kingdom and discored said he had friendship but he was friends with celestia & luna so mabye if im right starswirl aka discord had to be friends with celestias parents  so is discord was bff's with luna and celestia  or friends with them he would have told them he was and is starswirl


and maybe the princess are the only 2 that know that if star swral changed into discored he could of gone crazy but to protect his old image they kept it quiet  wont say anything abot it?


1:17 wow, way to be racist and butter it up at the same time. I didn't even know that was possible.


Hmn I disagree. Starswirl the Bearded was a magical unicorn or whatever. But. He wasnt really evil. Like when Twilight sparkle dressed at him and in threes a crowd, they showed artifacts. Anywho, Discord was alive since he met Celestia and Luna. But its confusing if Discord turned into a tall, pony with different animal pieces, also evil, then Starswirl wasnt a unicorn or good. In the episode Mystery Cure, Celestia said that He never finished the spell, since he didnt know friendship like Twilight. This is very confusing. Also the video has a good theory.

UHH BUT DISCORD NEVER HAD FRIENDS. SO DID STARSWIRL.. I dont really get it.

@Emily Meija at 1:46 he does have a good point there.

Discord was evil and dis-harmony. Many years before Starswirled appeared


2:02 CELESTIA SAID UNICORN. IM PRETTY SURE DISCORD IS NOT A UNICORN

This is now dead. I will only be doing animations. Try to find my other channel

The idea is he went from being a unicorn to a mish-mash of everything. He's not a unicorn anymore. I used to hold this theory as possible, but it has been proven wrong, as we'll see in my next video next Wednesday.


mind...blown...like..WOW, I never really thought of it, now I have to find out more! O.O

phantom out poof

mind...blown...like..WOW, I never really thought of it, now I have to find out more! O.O

phantom out *poof*


so you're saying that Discord could be Star Swirl the Bearded himself,Really
cause that in possible for that to happen

Star Swirl Left,Then Discord Appeared

And Awnser to the Future of Discord Earth Pony Friend is this Season 4
There a Episode called Keep Calm and Flutter on
that where discord is free once again but this time He Try to use his power for Good with Fluttershy who will help him using his power for good


Omg I'm so sorry. My brother posted that, But I don't believe Starswirl the bearded is not Discord


wait a second....You said that star swirl the bearded hasn't got any friend .How  do you now it??İt saying start swirl the bearded  was not able to do because he did not UNDERSTAND the friendship like YOU do.

1.twilight  is understand the friendship more than star swirl the bearded

2.Celestia isn't saying  that swirl the bearded hasn't got any friend (or something like  that).She saying star swirl the bearded didn't understand friendship.It doesn't means star Swirl the bearded hasn't got any friends.It 's not saying that

(3.'w' hi)(and I wrote soooo much)


when discord is in the stone scorpan became a friend of stwirl.for this discord is not stwirl the bearded

He must be! I'm sticking with the brony  notion this time! And they look alike  example they both have beards,  the spell must have backfired on him, changing his form,and taking over him completely , making him forget everything he ever experienced, turning him into the master of Chaos!

@Angelica Sergeychik Care to give a direct quote? Not being a master of friendship does not mean one has no friends.

@The Brony Notion That's essentially what he said. Because Discord was stone, Discord never met Tirak and Scorpan. They however knew of Discord. Scorpan became friends with Star Swirl while Discord was stone. Thus, Star Swirl isn't Discord.

@TheSpeedymouse I did consider this, but if you watch the scene where Discord and Tirek were talking, Tirek didn't seem to know discord personally. He may have learned about Discord by seeing his statue while he was slowly gaining power. Lines like "I congratulate you on you're escape" would hint that he's only seen the frozen version of Discord. /)

@The Brony Notion I love this theory, but it can't possibly be correct because it was disproven by Twilight's Kingdom. When Tirek met Discord, he seemed to know him. But Star Swirl and Scorpan put Tirek back to Tartarus, meaning that Star Swirl is STILL ALIVE AFTER Tirek was put back to Tartarus. And since Tirek knew Discord, Star Swirl and Discord sadly can't possibly be the same.


umm atcullay he was a king long ago before star swirl


Explain that adding pretty much all other history in and the way you explain it doesn't work.


OK maybe this i am starswirls apprentice thing was a mistake like celestias nephew


omg i have so much inspiration for this idea. would it be OK i wrote a fan fic about this theory of yours. it would be amazing if that would be OK with you

finished the second chapter. hope i did a bit better on some things
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/192157/2/the-fading-stars-of-discord/to-little-to-late

I love it so far! Comet is adorable! Just minor spelling errors here and there, like laughed historically instead of hysterically, and stuff like starting sentences with lower case letters. Keep going with this story! /)

heres the first chapter
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/192157/1/the-fading-stars-of-discord/friends-or-fans
let me know what you think

It's actually not my theory! Even if it was, by all means, go ahead! Message me when you've finished it so I can read it! /)


that acually sounds . . . possible, but take in to consideration this song than think of how this fits in 4everfreebrony & DragonwolfRooke - Starswirl's Frankenstein

I don't mind, I don't care if I get hate or love it's all good to me :)

@***** this meaning its just an icon so its pointless, hell, we shouldn't even be having this conversation its so pointless.

@***** i meant all that stuff you said was unnecessary.

Now that is an interesting concept. I think I still like mine better though.


wow your so good at this job your just so awesome and that is sooooooo cool and I really get itit makes tons of sense


true and possible but...!read the comics StarSwirl IS CELESTIA'S COMPANION!!!

@The Brony Notion  Simply put, I wish I could remember where, but it has been stated by both hasbro and Andy Price(Artist/Author) that the comics are Cannon, UNTIL the show says otherwise.  As such, if the cartoon doesn't break something in the comic story, then the comic story is official.

oh sorry ^^' I don't usually have annotations on

Noted. Thanks, I put up an annotation saying that and also stating that many people don't consider them to be canon. /)


Also @*****'s theory also tops your theory, how would he be in two places when he was a statue, i mean cmon


i disagree with you yes your theory may be true think of this. I belive that twilight even said the Star Swirl was long gone even before discord was introduced to the show. Now never was Celestia and Star Swirl an idem before concidering the fact that  he is WAY older than celetia in the regular pony age.

yea so I  one Other voice actor that is going to be auditioning for twilight and celestia  i think


But how about trxie the magican in pony ville :°


thay never say that he not had friends, only that he don't understand it like twilight do. Star Swirl the Bearded know about the element of harmony? But if he didn't know how can his spell change the element of harmony. But if he didn't had friends i think this spell was a try to make ponies to be his friend. Discord didn't know what the element of harmony did so he had never found them, so he can't have make a spell that change the elements. This is what i don't found strong enough to belive this. Have a nice day


Watch the history of equestria by inc rose DISCORD WAS ALWAYS THERE


I don't mean to be a hater but wasn't discord parents part of the choes word or something


Hey The Brony Notion c: I am planning to make videoes like you in the future, but I wonder of something; Where do you get the clips and which program do you use? ^^

@Shadeila You can use Screencastomatic  the link is www.screencase-o-matic.com/screen_recorder Its free u may need 2 download it but its free. 15 min. for free but when u buy it it can be 1 whole hour. Idk how much it cost because i use free but Screencast is probaly the best screen recorder i've seen

@Shadeila if you put a dissclamier it wont

But if I use the Youtube downloader to download a song and then upload it on youtube, won't YouTube flag/ban me because of copyrights? :s

There's a free program called you tube downloader, or YTD. You can put the web link of any video into it, and download them from the internet. I just download episodes from dailymotion.com since YouTube took down all the episodes. I use a program called Adobe Premier Elements 11, but it's not free :(. I hope this helped. :3


Maybe Discord IS Starswirl The Beardet?...................


It in the history of ecrestia we see baby discord and baby luna and celestia


ha well looks like kp was right wach the seson 4 finailey and see for your slef


who knows mybee it'll happen in the fucther sorry for the grammar.


also star swirl was celesta's student. after he died discord came to power


Incorrect because star swirl was resurected


OMG this video came out long before season 7!!!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡


𝚜𝚒𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚍𝚒𝚘𝚝💫


Now season 8 is out and star swirl is here now and discord is also here soo....


Llo are en da pas a arede se staver he es no stafer.😒😑😔


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ONG REALLY 🤦🏼♀ this video was literally made 7 years ago!!