Guys!<br>John Dalliance (Voice of Discord!) Said that Discord is not Star swirl.

Guys!
John Dalliance (Voice of Discord!) Said that Discord is not Star swirl.

The voice actors don't even know about stuff that we don't know, only the writers do know, but hey megan said flash won't be in season 4, and look what happen.....flash sentry coming out of the train.....don't believe what they say, they don't want to spoiled it to the fans

@LornaThePony+PokemonFan! If your a true fan then you should know that Lauren faust is working on season 5 of mlp fim. But I dear god she doesn't ruined season 5

Umm... Since none of us are writers on the shop. It does not matter what we think unfortunately. Because the writers make the cannon and can decide whatever they want.

@Topbra111 Lauren does not work on the show anymore.

im not sharing my information source thats private

How do you know, huh? Maybe he has a secret. Or Lauren Faust hasn't telled the voice actor.

yea its alot of money i wasnt being rude just saying its half a million dollars for 1 season

haha 1 season cause half a mill they dont have enough money for 10 lol

@♥Skylar shy ♥ actually the company only bought 4 seasons there is not going to be a five I am sorry

@Flaming and Slick<br>Yeah. I knew I had spelt it wrong!

@Flaming and Slick
Yeah. I knew I had spelt it wrong!

It's De Lancie. Sorry, I'm such a grammar police girl haha 😜

@♫ Skyshy ♫ I dont think so,If you watched you could see he was really puzzled by the fact bronies thought that.<br>(It was at a convention.)

@♫ Skyshy ♫ I dont think so,If you watched you could see he was really puzzled by the fact bronies thought that.
(It was at a convention.)

He might be keeping it a secret for season 5

@Danielle Stryker<br>John works on the show, so I think he'd have a better idea than we do.

@Danielle Stryker
John works on the show, so I think he'd have a better idea than we do.


How would star swirl just "switch" into the lord of chaos? he would have to have known him or had something off him. You can't "switch" into somebody who you know in this case becuase twi had the elements. but starswirl probably had no idea who discord even was! (just an idea)


Bit hard to be discord if you're in limbo, eh? 😉


The way you explained Starswirl's change confuses me. His spell changed Twilight's friends' cutie marks, so the way I see it is that the spell would do nothing. He had know friends which I believe but you need to explain why the spell changed him.


Starswirl was still young at the coronation of Luna and Celestia, and was one of the 6 unicorns that carried out the duties of raising the moon and Sun which now fall upon Luna and Celestia, and Celstia only during Nightmare Moon's 1000 year  banishment to the moon. Starswirl is also said to be unable to lower the moon himself completely depleting his magic attempting to do so (kinda tells me Starswirls was kinda stuck on himself and likely the most powerful unicorn in the history of Equestria), which leads me to believe he would not have be strong enough to over throw  the other five unicorns at the time let alone have the ability to nearly defeat two alicorns. Remember it took Luna and Celestia weilding the Elements of Harmony to defeat Discord. Starswirl on the other hand wasn't strong enough to lower the moon by him self, something Luna or Celestia can both do at will. .


I don't necessarily agree or disagree with this, but there is another small thing to note. The spell swapped the ponies' destinies, and the effect of that was almost entirely just... chaos. It did nothing beneficial, and was also otherwise pretty benign. Much like Discord's magic. He rarely hurts anyone, just messes around with them.


If you read the journal of the two sisters you would know celly and luna rose to power when star swirl the bearded was himself, as they were good friends with him


There is one flaw in your theory, ( it's a VERY good theory by the way ) Star Swirl wasn't ever depicted to "evil" if he did have some fun with chaos, I don't it would be destructive like that.

Wait wait WAIT!!!!! Scratch that theory. In equestria girls, sunset shimmer went down hill, What if Star Swirl, not having any friends, cast the spell thing, the spell is supposed to spread friendship, but Star Swirl had no friends, so the spell back fired, like with sunset and twilight from the human world, Discord was created, like you said in "A magical comparison" Discord eliminated any sound judgment, creating chaos is something Star Swirl probably never even thought of doing, but Discord did. Tirek was able to trick Discord so well because "FREEDOM" was something that Star Swirl wanted, to be free from Discord.


Wait. If Discord is Starswirl, why would he dispose of chaos?
The only thing I was able to think of, is that Starswirl was so outcasted, that he so angry, he went insanley crazy!
But I don't think this is the case.


My theory is that Star Swirl some how was turned into Sombra. The whole crystal empire stuff happened a 1000 years before and the same with Discord indecent.


Just like I believe jar-jar binks should have/was meant to be a Sith Lord, so too does “starswirl = discord” slap so much better than the actual canon. (My opinion)😁


Only one problem with this theory Starswiral was still around even after Discord was turned to stone.


The only problem with this is that Tia and LuLu STUDIED under StarSwirl, and he was the one who helped Celestia and Luna discover their destiny of raising and lowering the sun & moon, according to the journal of the 2 sisters.


The last episode made it pretty clear to me - Discord IS Starswirl :D


There could never be 1000 years of peace after discords fall. Because Luna was banished for a 1000 years. So it must been over 1000 -> ? years.


here's a hole in your theory: if they did rise to power <b>after</b> discord; how come when Celestia was telling tirek's backstory, it showed scorpan befriend starswirl

here's a hole in your theory: if they did rise to power *after* discord; how come when Celestia was telling tirek's backstory, it showed scorpan befriend starswirl


there is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back


in a recent episode the season 7 finale we know that star swirl was trapped in limbo so he couldn't have become discord. <br>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

in a recent episode the season 7 finale we know that star swirl was trapped in limbo so he couldn't have become discord.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Watching a video like this after the season 7 finale is like reading an atlas that claims Yugoslavia is still a country.


Hey Brony Notion here is my theory
Starswirl was working on time spell with no limitations and everything went wrong
and that is how discord was created that would explain the disappearance of starswill
and the sudden appearance of discord

Here is a off topic theory for the two sisters
since we know that ponies only get their cutie marks when they have discovered there special tallents and we know that celly's tallent raising the sun and luna is raising the moon
they would not be able to find out what there tallents were untill they were princesses cause of laws. thus i believe the princess were blank flanks.

You may ask how does this tie in with  Starswirl the bearded ?
cause starswirl was before the time of the sisters reign thus he could have thought them the spell for lowering and raising the moon and the sun that be why thier cutie mark are of the sun and the moon [this also ties in with the discord is starswirl theory]
i also think that starswirl with the help of a few unicorns raised and lowered the sun and the moon until there magic got depleted
for example look at twilight in season 01 episode 16 where gave rarity wings she got weaker thus she nearly depleted her magic and we know that alicorns are OP
that is he tought the spell to luna and celly.


If this and your "Twilight is Clover the Clever" theory is true, this means Discord was Twilight's mentor, and even though I don't know Discord, I think Discord would mention this to Twilight.


As much as I enjoy this theory, sorry to say that it's now confirmed to be not true due to the season 7 finale. So it looks like Event HoriXZ0n's Theory of there being more than one Draconequus is most likely true.


The Bronynotion, do you think the pillars are related to the mane 6? They planted the tree of harmony and they said about their legacy being passed on. So are they related?


Another pointer is that in Season 6 Discord quotes "if I wasn't so evolved I would've taken offense".


I feel like a lot of the people arguing against this theory are making a LOT of assumptions in their points.


This is a great theory so it's a real shame Hasbro had to ruin it with season 7. :(


Looks like Twilight's Kingdom completely blew your theory out of the water.

@Sawtooth Waves a but the thing is how could both discord and star swirl exist at the same time

No the The episode Shadow play blew his theory to bit's.

Al Cipher maybe that was some sort of magic from the other dimensions? IDK I'm a human I don't do magic

Al Cipher maybe he changed himself physically?

SonictheShapeshifter a.k.a. LadyFoxling so does season 6 finale, "to where and back again," there is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back

if discord IS starswirl, Why did Starswirl turn bad? No wonder theyre the same fur colour.

+The Brony Notion I believe that Discord was created by Starswirl. PS, you should listen to the song "Starswirl's Frankenstein" it's really good.

+The Brony Notion I hate this therey because I prefer discord BANISHED. starswarled therey

+The Brony Notion boom I've got it starswerl tryed to make a tranformation spell did it on him self a few minutes later ...discord is born

Some one else mentioned that to me once and it does make sense, but recently I've also come to the same conclusion that Discord might as well just be Discord. Until they directly confirm or deny this, there's no for sure knowing otherwise. /)

It makes more sense to me that Starswirl might've become Sombra if you look at how the spell actually backfired. If the pony has a group of friends, all the friends' destinies are reversed. If he had no friends and performed it on himself, his destiny as a helpful unicorn could have turned into a destiny of a unicorn who wanted to enslave everyone and make them serve him, instead of him serving others.  It would also fit better into the timeline. But I don't think that will be canon. I think that Starswirl is just Starswirl in the end. Though they have brought him up quite a few times now...

That's what I thought, I was gonna do a video about that, but I still couldn't find any proof against the theory. And trust me, I did look. :) /)))


What if Star Swirl's spell made him forget his memories?


How did Starswirl's spells get in the Royal Canterlot Archives? Most of the books were left at the castle of the two sisters when NMM attacked. And could the pre-alicorn Equestria even make/store enough spells to fill the huuuuuge room in It's About Time?


...don't you just hate it when something like this is proven wrong?


To add on to your theory about him being Starswirl if Discord wasn't he'd remember about the book and ripping it before the whole being turned into stone buuut he didn't and helped Twilight become an alicorn.


It seems highly unlikely that Discord is Star Swirl. In the S4 finale, we learn that Scorpan befriended "a young unicorn wizard," and judging by the image, is Star Swirl. Later we see that Tirek is surprised that Discord is free, meaning, when he and Scorpan came to Equestria, Discord was already in stone. In short, Star Swirl was around at the same time Discord was in stone.

I personally think that there were some serious continuity errors in past stories like that. I've tweaked and headcanoned all of them into something reasonable, but everyone will have their own ideas.

And they would know because STARSWIRL was the one who made celly and Luna leaders😏

And they would know because STARSWIRL was the one who made celly and Luna leaders😏

... But celly said that scorpan BEFRIENDED a young unicorn wizard also celly an Luna would have know😏

... But celly said that scorpan BEFRIENDED a young unicorn wizard also celly an Luna would have know😏

Very good point but, at Discord's house hanging on a hook by the front door is none other than Star Swirl's hat!

this is probably the only thing here that isn't really Really long and actually makes sense :P

this is probably the only thing here that isn't really Really long and actually makes sense :P

I think that is true because if star swirl became discord before the sisters rose to power, he would not be able to befriend scorpan because the royal sisters were there

+The Brony Notion but how would he know it was Discord I mean I don't think there was a label on the statue and miss Cherely knew because she's a teacher and has to know about Equistrion history

good point I was also gonna  say that let's not forget that Ink Rose did a theory on Luna Celestia  and Discord  even though it is just a theory most of her theories  make a lot of sense and explain alot

I think star swirl Exist before when equestria was founded

I think star swirl Exist before when equestria was founded

+alisa camarena
And the canons.
THERE WILL BE SO MUCH OF IT

+alisa camarena
And the canons.
THERE WILL BE SO MUCH OF IT

+alisa camarena
Why? why did you do this.
oh god I hope no fan artist saw your comment...

+alisa camarena
Why? why did you do this.
oh god I hope no fan artist saw your comment...

+Darke Exelbirth
But your not thinking about the s5 finale.
Starlight Glimmer changed something in the past and the future came out messed up.

+MrConredsX
Alright, if someone from dhx says something about the show, we listen and stop this canon.
CAUSE THIS CANON REALLY DOESNT MAKE SENSE

+The Brony Notion
BEFORE S2
As in, before discord was stoned the second time.

+The Brony Notion
BEFORE S2
As in, before discord was stoned the second time.

maybe just maybe, in season 6 mlp will reveal who is starswirl and probably has connection with starlight since she has a strange unique power

+MrConredsX They have time travel. Your argument is invalid. Also word of god is not devinitive canon.

+daHunter3000 Tirek could easily have learned of Discord during his imprisonment or lengthy period of time on the run. Plus Starswirl and Discord's time travelling messes with your claim.

+daHunter3000 that and starswirl is the 1 who corrinated the sisters, if u read the journal of the 2 sister

+daHunter3000 Maybe there was more than one named discord and one of them was turned to stone and the other was starswirl

100% destroying the Brony Notion's theory. KP:1 BN:0

100% destroying the Brony Notion's theory. KP:1 BN:0

@IXmanMX Boom yes because star swirll was around wen discord was in stone! Season 6 will answer this in Starswirl society.😊

THE SISTERS WERE RULING YOUR VIDEO PROVES THAT. So Tirek and his brother came a round when the sisters were ruling and that was after Discord and Star Swirl was still there so BOOM Discord is NOT Star Swirl the beard

thank u! that's wat I've been saying! mabey starswirl's spell created discord?😯 mabey he is his father?! oh god!

I personally think, Discord wasn't in stone THAT time, since Star Swirl came first, and even before, Celestia and Luna were alive. Or were they but babies. And I think I know the reason on how they knew Discord was in stone is that because of communication. There's a saying that word travels fast, so I think, that after Discord was defeated I'm pretty sure, words are made and were spreading even in alternate dimensions. <br>I hope you understand my explanation, and I hope I didn't sound mean. Haha Thanks! :)

I personally think, Discord wasn't in stone THAT time, since Star Swirl came first, and even before, Celestia and Luna were alive. Or were they but babies. And I think I know the reason on how they knew Discord was in stone is that because of communication. There's a saying that word travels fast, so I think, that after Discord was defeated I'm pretty sure, words are made and were spreading even in alternate dimensions.
I hope you understand my explanation, and I hope I didn't sound mean. Haha Thanks! :)

+The Brony Notion That`s a great explanation that solves one of the main issues I had. I thought your points were really thought provoking. Awesome video. Also nice to see critics have a civil debate for once.

WHAT IF that young unicorn wizard WASNT HIM HMMMM

WHAT IF that young unicorn wizard WASNT HIM HMMMM

+daHunter3000 he just explained it did u even watch it??!!

+daHunter3000 he just explained it did u even watch it??!!

@Rachel Webb Pinkie actually said "Hey look! I found a longer time spell!" or something like that. Also Starswirl the Bearded was the CREATOR of time travel.

@Mr.chang cooler because even if starswirled and discord were the same being, they can be of different minds.  Like how nightmare moon and Luna are the same being, yet they are different ponies.  Think of it like severe split personality disorder.

@daHunter3000 Not to mention, if Discord was Starswirl, Tirek wouldn't compliment him. He basically says he's Discord, there is no way you'd serve these weak minded ponies, saying he isn't one of them or never was one of them. And lastly, it is said that Fluttershy is Discord's first friend. In the narrative, it says Scorpan  befriends Starswirl. How can you have a friend before your first friend? You can't, so they aren't the same person.

@Rachel Webb Or would it have?  We'll never really know.  I mean, the only way she could prevent herself from going back is if a further in the future version of herself showed up and tried to prevent her from going back to her first iteration.  But that relies on twilight once again listening to her future self, which it seems like she wouldn't.

Time travel is a very complex concept, but that could be a result of our perception of how time works being so incredibly simple.

Well, if she Didn't go back, then time would have gone crazy.

Well, if she Didn't go back, then time would have gone crazy.

@Rachel Webb Unless you <i>can't</i> mess up time.  Remember how Twilight was basically trying to mess up time herself when she went back to warn herself?  She couldn't change the course of events at all.  It happened the exact same way.  If the course of events in time cannot be altered, I'm sure the creator of time spells probably would have figured that out.  And if he knew that he couldn't change the course of events, then he'd probably feel pretty safe taking a day off in the past or future, knowing that whatever happened whilst he did so was destined to happen anyway.

@Rachel Webb Unless you _can't_ mess up time.  Remember how Twilight was basically trying to mess up time herself when she went back to warn herself?  She couldn't change the course of events at all.  It happened the exact same way.  If the course of events in time cannot be altered, I'm sure the creator of time spells probably would have figured that out.  And if he knew that he couldn't change the course of events, then he'd probably feel pretty safe taking a day off in the past or future, knowing that whatever happened whilst he did so was destined to happen anyway.

You do make a good point, but star swirl just taking a time Vacation for fun? time spells themselves can mess up time pretty badly, and a experienced wizard like star swirl wouldn't want to mess up time just for fun. Maybe it was Discord who time traveled? He would have not cared.

@Rachel Webb It's not that he simply had more experience than twilight.  No, it's more a matter of what his expertise was, and that was time magic.  Twilight has very little experience with time magic, whilst starswirl is pretty much the inventor of it.  Kind of like comparing a kid who has played with one of those plasma balls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe) to Tesla.

Besides, can you really say that it's entirely farfetched for a unicorn that actually completely reversed his aging process on accident to time travel for a couple days?

@Darke Exelbirth  A time Vacation? Sounds cool, but twilight's time spell only lasted live, 2 minuets? Maybe less? Sure, maybe he had more experience, but we're talking about, hmm THE PRINCESSES FRIGGING STUDENT! He could have don, like what a Day or two? I believe in this Star swirl is Discord, but the Whole time vacation is a little far fetched.

@MrConredsX this! The true fact that starswirl was around still after the imprisoning if discord!!

@MrConredsX this! The true fact that starswirl was around still after the imprisoning if discord!!

Isn't stars swirl good with time magic though?  I'd say it's not entirely impossible that he may have been on some sort of vacation to the future or something, and encountered scorpan at that point (if it truly is star swirl that befriended him), or even that star swirl originally started out in the time of peace, and at some point traveled back in time before the time of chaos to eventually become discord.  If he was pretty good with time magic, that is.

@The Brony Notion  then he would see too that Discord is good now. He was surprised that Discord was friend of ponies(He maybe not sound that, but he sound kinda sad when he saw discord, and if he knew that Discord is friend of ponies, he wouldn't ask it)

@The Brony Notion Amy Keating Rogers confirmed at her panel that Discord was first, before Tirek and Scorpan came, which mean he was already in stone when Scorpan befriended Starswirl. We must give up with Discord/Starswirl idea at this point

We don't know enough about him. All we know is he seemed serious and discord is not soo.....

We don't know enough about him. All we know is he seemed serious and discord is not soo.....

ya u are right most of them look the same.

ya u are right most of them look the same.

Not quite. If you look at the ponies a lot look alike but doesn't mean there is a connection.

Not quite. If you look at the ponies a lot look alike but doesn't mean there is a connection.

true but if u look at Star swirl and look at discord u see some apperences look the same yes i know i misspelled but idc XD

Well discord is known among many. Tierk did say discords work is well known. So he could of HEARD about him and his banishment. And because he didnt get close to starswirl he would know if swirl became discord or not. It is possible. Swirl seemed to of vanished around the time discord appeards

@daHunter3000 I thought about that, but remember Tirek has been free since Cerberus escaped in the s2 episode "It's About Time". He could have seen the statue of Discord seing how Discord was freed from stone the second time in season three. I don't think they knew each other personally.


I LOVE this theory..the only problem is if Twilight figured out the spell wouldn't discord turn back to normal?He is their friend after all...


Star Swirl WAS corrupted when he wrote the spell, and changed into Discord.
Star Swirl`s back story: (my opinion)<br>Star Swirl woke up one day on a Sunday morning. He didn`t know what to do because he already finished all his spells. So he wondered back and forth, wondering what to do. Finally, after 2 hours, he had an idea. He went to grab his book. But then he thought something would happen, so he put the book back. His spell was to turn himself into an Alicorn, but he though he might turn out horribly, and it might turn out into a orange (fruit) frog or something. So he kept on walking back and forth, still thinking about what to do. Then he thought he could make a forming spell, meaning, to change into another pony, for one day (and yes, the other pony will become Star Swirl). So, again, he took out his book, and he wrote the spell. Since he has no friends to swap with, he decided to do a random pony. But little did Star Swirl know, he actually switched it into a unknown creature, and he didn`t realize, until he he felt something different happening when he was lifted in the air. He tried to get down with all his might, but it was too late. He turned into Discord as we know today: He was corrupted, and started to change all of Equestria, into Chaos for 1000 years.
The End. Hope you like my theory of Star Swirl`s back story! :D Leave a like if you liked it!

Star Swirl WAS corrupted when he wrote the spell, and changed into Discord.
Star Swirl`s back story: (my opinion)
Star Swirl woke up one day on a Sunday morning. He didn`t know what to do because he already finished all his spells. So he wondered back and forth, wondering what to do. Finally, after 2 hours, he had an idea. He went to grab his book. But then he thought something would happen, so he put the book back. His spell was to turn himself into an Alicorn, but he though he might turn out horribly, and it might turn out into a orange (fruit) frog or something. So he kept on walking back and forth, still thinking about what to do. Then he thought he could make a forming spell, meaning, to change into another pony, for one day (and yes, the other pony will become Star Swirl). So, again, he took out his book, and he wrote the spell. Since he has no friends to swap with, he decided to do a random pony. But little did Star Swirl know, he actually switched it into a unknown creature, and he didn`t realize, until he he felt something different happening when he was lifted in the air. He tried to get down with all his might, but it was too late. He turned into Discord as we know today: He was corrupted, and started to change all of Equestria, into Chaos for 1000 years.
The End. Hope you like my theory of Star Swirl`s back story! :D Leave a like if you liked it!


the comic said that star swirl was Celestia's magical council. Celestia would never trust Discord for that. and she states in that comic that they were close friends. and also just because he didn't understand friendship like Twilight it doesn't mean he didn't have any friends


there's no evidence against Celestia being Chuck Norris either. i mean, Chuck Norris could've easily turned into Celestia when she was a filly.


This theory probably isn't true. In the Journal of the Two Sisters, they mention that Star Swirl taught them magic. Plus, Luna says that she knew Star Swirl.

Well remember, Starswirl was just a unicorn correct? And the princesses are alicorns, which live much longer than the normal pony.


This theory has been disproved thanks to Fiendship is magic because star swirl banished the sirens after Celestia and Luna rose to power. Meaning that discord was already encased in stone.


What do you think about the theory that Sunburst is actually Starswirl who traveled back in time and Starlight is Clover the Clever?


Due to the season 7 finnally, I have to say Kim is right. I'm sorry to say it, Brony Notion, I still love yur vids.


I’m curious. How do you feel about this now that it’s been revealed the two are unrelated?


yes star swirl could be turned into a draconiqous BUT how do we know that there isn't only one of them? how can we know that he is a DIFFERENT  draconaquis then discord?

@The Brony Notion it makes scense that discord is starswirl cause his spell caused chaos in ponyville

Hmmmm good point. They seem to have an entire species dedicated to his type... /)


The sirens AFTER discord was turned to stone came and were banished by starswirl. If discord ruled in eternal chaos before Celestia and Luna stonified him, then none of the other villains that starswirl defeated could have rose to power during discord's reign. It would have been to hard and they would have failed. Therefore the villains starswirl defeated would have come after discord was turned to stone. All this proof came from piecing together the information given by the show, and not just one part A.K.A the first episode of discord because there are also other villains and you have to look at how they fit into the timeline

+Alexias Hall it is because no other villain would be able to rise in power due to discord's eternal chaos reign.

+Alexias Hall I explained it in my previous comment

discord decided since he was an outcast so he caused mischief to get payback for them outcasting him and maybe the villains were before his transformation it makes perfect sense. duh.


I do like you point and it would be cool if discord is star swirl. But I also don't see how he could go so dark / evil. Star Swirl seemed like a good pony and not the kind that could turn evil just like that. But if they are the same pony there's got to be more to go to him becoming evil than wanting to have fun


You said that he was outcast because of his draconequus appearance but when he meet tirek he was a pony so why didn't, if he was Star Swirl, then turn into his old self or a pony and carry on with his studies instead of getting bored and in the end rising to power.


In my opinion, if you remember, in star swirls spell he says a mark of one's destiny singled out a lone fulfilled somebody's cutie marks got changed and his destiny was fulfilled...turning into discord. I have proof because when twilight said the spell HER destiny was fulfilled. So yah


When starswirl the bearded is just starswirl the bearded


ya know what I think? I think that star swirl the bearded was just having a a little fun with dark magic and turned into discord and got corrupted little at a time then when he changed back no one liked him and then he couldn't learn and finish the "friendship spell" and when he got completely corrupted and turned "evil" (btw I hate the term "evil" it's to harsh😕) anyway like if u agree 😉


And here's my argument on why Star Swirl the bearded is not Discord because the show itself showed Star Swirl the bearded who is obviously not Discord at the end of this recent season I'm sorry to burst your bubble still a fun fan Theory to write a fanfiction about though at least there's still that


He makes a point. Starswell didnt have any friends. When he did the spell the spell changed him. Discord didnt have friends. This all makes sence


saying that the spell would swap around starswirls body is a very big leap of Faith, and you supplied no evidence for this hypothesis. the spell dousnt effect the physicle body but the magic that disideds what the pony is ment to do with their life and what their talents are. also with all the good starswirl DoD for equestria I find it extreamly unlikely that he would become one of the monsters he would normally help deffend equestria from out of just bordom. no I think it is possible that starswirl was instramentle in the accidental creation of discord, but it is extreamly unlikely for him to be discord himself.

also if the second Equestria Girls is to be bileaved then starswirl was around  A thousand years ago, after discord had been sealed in stone when he banished the sirens.

@Evelyn Belle your problem there is the "could be"'s yes it could be, but it's extremely unlikely.

star swirls destiny could have been fame and glory, until he cast the spell and changed his destiny (on accident) so he would become destined to become the lord of chaos.

+Samson Macri FINALLY someone mentions this.


I know it's been proven wrong by season 7 finally but I just wanted to say, twilight's friends purpose swapped and your theory was that starswirl's body parts changed species

I know it's been proven wrong by season 7 finally but I just wanted to say, twilight's friends purpose *swapped* and your theory was that starswirl's body parts *changed* species


John de Lancie also said he didn't know Discord's backstory, so if he didn't know his own backstory, how would he know who star swirl the bearded. Not much of an argument on her part tbh. (No hating on Ilovekimpossiblealot I watch her too)


What if because of the painful transformation, Starswirl was actually KILLED by his own spell and Discord is his "spirit" that could never die and is forced to live with what he did to himself forever?


But Nightmare moon was banished to the moon for 1000 years after they defeated discord but she came back earlier. Plothole!!!


This can actually be disproven by Occam's razor. Since your approach makes so many assumptions, it becomes so unlikely that your head cannon may as well be completely false. For example, even though I can't technically disprove that history didn't happen, I can prove it unlikely enough to  disregard it.


this is so well done , is sad that star swirl appeared in season 7 and he isnt discord :/


Dear Brony Notion,
    As a pegasister I feel it is my duty to correct any flaws I may see in my beloved fandom. However much proof you may have supporting your theory you must consider this. (Just so you know my information is coming from Ink Rose who gets information from the creators so if any bronies/pegasisters would like to learn more of Equestria history please check out her channel if you already haven't.) The elements of harmony were originally Star Swirls idea. However because he did not understand friendship he gave up on the project as they were supposed to be weapons made by magic and were not powerful enough. This is because the greatest magic was friendship which again he did not understand. Instead his pupil Clover took over and was able to complete the task for she had first hoof experienced the power of friendship as seen in the Heart's Warming Eve episode. Now for my part. If Star Swirls were to create a spell and it did turn him into Discord would he not try to fix himself as he knows that there are things that ( the Elements of Harmony) that would be able to defeat him if he were to start chaos. Also I would think that Star Swirl would not understand friendship as he is known for his many studies and spell making. As a bit of back up Twilight originally did not understand friendship for she focused too much on her studies. This can be seen in the first episode when Twilight is so obsessed with the return of Nightmare Moon she does not care to go to a party. Also the two mares who ask her to join reply to her decline by one asking the other is something as " Does all that girl do is read?". That's kind of all I have to say. But if I were to support your theory my small piece of evidence is Discord's beard kind of looks like Star Swirls. Thanks if you read my comment if not anyone who did read it please tell me what you think of my response. I would love to know. Anyway can't wait for the next video!
                                       From,
                                              Sparkle Storm (my OC)


Sorry, Brony Notion. But, I think you forgot a point that could have helped you in this video. In part 2 of episode where discord come back the first time, discord takes twilight back in time to show her what he said. The only pony we know who knew how to back in time was Star Swirl. Also, to look at the casting the spell another way. yes, I do think it switched his body another, but I think it also messed up the harmony within him, making him the crazy messed up pony he is in the show.


If the video clip at 2:48 shows Celestia and Luna before they rose into power then why do they have their crowns ^_^

Francesca Canterino probably, very old comment tho

They were already in power at that time. <br>Edit: Oh wait this was five years ago 😂😂😂😂

They were already in power at that time.
Edit: Oh wait this was five years ago 😂😂😂😂

+Viliant Heart They were pretty much taking back what was theirs before Discord took over.


Well, this video is now most likely wrong... in the season four finale, it says Scorpan met Starswirl the bearded.  And when discord sees Tirek, they act like they have already been acquainted.  This means that discord was around when starswirl was around because Tirek couldn't met him at a later date beause he was trapped in Tartarus.  I mean he could have met discord in the small time frame when Serberus (That's the two headed dog right?) got distracted and discord was recalled.  But I don't blame you for thinking this because I don't think Season four was out at the time of this upload.


It's like this: Discord has ALWAYS tried to do something to the elements of harmony, right? Well, I think he IS Starswirl the bearded. Because, star swirl AND Discord NEVER really had friends, right? So that's why they both tried to do something to the elements of harmony! Because they are the same person! BUT, in the end, Discord befriends all the mane six (Accept for when he helps out Tirek then goes back to friendly). StarSwirl the bearded just wanted friends, like Discord. So in the end, when Discord befriends them, as I've mentioned, it's REALLY StarSwirl, ask that's just my opinion.
Also, no. I am not a brony.
Yes, I love MLP.
And yes, StarSwirl and Churches are the same. But transformed for disguise.


Love that we find out that for a fact he is not Star Swirl the bearded LOL


I believe a major point you missed was the fact that assumed that Starswirl didnt have friends even though Celestia said he didnt understand friendship as much as Twilight, therefore making your point invalid. Anyway, just something I wanted to point out....


This theory is disproved. It was shown Scorpan and Starswirl were friends. But at that point discord was already turned to stone. So how could he exist at two points?

@Sonicbolt  changelings, changelings everywhere

@Sonicbolt Who's Scorpan? Is he/she from the comics or the show?

@***** I only tried to read the first one xD and ignored the 2nd (And I think this theory is true. Discord Is Star Swirl the Bearded, well Idk xD)

@***** I was looking through what people Commented on this and found yours and I was like: OMG TOO MUCH READING!!!!!

@Dizzynoodlegamer Because it was on a scroll. As we all know scrolls on spells only work once and then vanish.

@***** I know but she could only cast it once,

Considering statswirl made the time travel spell perhaps he was the only person who could re cast the spell?

@***** I'd prefer it proven wrong since it being right would mean no more Discord.

@***** I doubt Discord will ever truly give up on chaos. Its an integral part of his character. As for the former I'm not sure how Fluttershy would feel about him making such a drastic choice.

@***** My question is why would Discord go back to being Starswirl?

@***** Sure...you keep thinking that, it'll make you feel better until you're proven wrong

@***** TLDR. I dont care, untill i see proof I wont believe it.

@Sonicbolt How about this idea: he is discord, spirit of chaos. His nature means the laws of conventionality do not apply.

@tetsiga45XxX Fine, but one one exists in canon. Untill we get clarification that there is more than one. I wont believe it...aslo there would still be pardoxes

While I won't argue about paradoxes I will say that its more than likely more than one time travel spell exist. There may not be many but there are certainly more than one.

@Dizzynoodlegamer only one time travel spell existed and could only send you back for a few seconds, not to even get into the paradoxes that would create!


Just because Celly say that Starswirl did not have the same understanding of friendship as Twilight dont mean that he never had friends. He was friends with Celly and Luna in the comics and friends with Scorpan in the tv show. it sort of works like this: lets say you know how to multiplicate and I do not. Does that mean that I do not know how to do math? No, I could know how to add, subtract, divide or something else instead. I might not know math the way you know, but I can still do math.

And another bit of hole in your theory is why would Starswirl cast an unfinished spell? Twilight did not know what it was supposed to do that's why she cast it, but Star swirl knew what he wanted to do with the spell, he just didnt manage to finish it because he didnt know how.


It seems highly unlikely that Discord is Star Swirl because you never show any evidence you simple use head-canon and head-canon are not evidence.


Brony Notion,  that timeline is missing one thing, the time in which Luna became nightmare moon.
There is not a real detailed explanation other than luna got jealous of her sister becane nightmare moon.
My question is could there have been more to this? Star swirl of bearded books were laying about the castle for all intensive purpose.
What if  Celestia though she turned that way because of jealously and didn't think that one of star swirls spells did that.
What if luna read those books to find out the truth that lead star swirl did become discord and decided to try and use a spell to change him back only to fail and become nightmare moon.
Could this be something that could tie in discord and star swirl of bearded to being believable?


I'm kinda sad it wasn't what happened as it would have made for a great moment in the show.

i     watch   u   channels   do   game  play   please

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ILoveKimPossibleAlot  you wet right in the finality star swirl was is a place called limbo to keep a monster there

I'm on ur side. Because in the end of season 7, it is revealed that star swirled was in limbo

OHHH the notion got REAL BUSTED. <br>Cause we find out about his in the season 7 finale. Cause if Starswirl was the teacher of Celestia n Luna then who was the one trapped in stone ??

OHHH the notion got REAL BUSTED.
Cause we find out about his in the season 7 finale. Cause if Starswirl was the teacher of Celestia n Luna then who was the one trapped in stone ??

Wow what was I saying? Guys I think discord is NOT star swirl!!!

oh my gosh I LOVE YOU IM SUBSCRIBED TO YOU 😄

as for his take, you can take famous persons we know today but hardly know about without researching.  Frued is a name you hear a lot, he's an early psychologist that brought up the topic of sex effecting behaviors.  he was the first to do so, so its understandable that there were many mistakes especially with so little done in psychology at the time.

looking him up today, you'll see many mistakes and we even have references and phrases for him because of the mistakes and weird deviancy he had.  at the same time, he dedicated an amazing amount of new research into psychology because of him breaking ground that everyone else was afraid to even bring up due to the strict culture and their behavior towards it.  psychology is what it is today because of him and yet he's also remembered as an outcast.  the benefit from that research is just too good and beneficial.

in mlp, this would be a perfect example as an explanation, equestria runs on magic. it uses magic as its weapons and defenses, for its everyday tasks and more.  if star swirl was indeed discord and immortal, its only a matter of time that a bored, undying magician would continuously practice with magic in newer and newer ways trying to pass the time.  we can also see evidence of time magic spells being one of discord's tricks while the effects are unknown.  he showed twilight exactly what he had said and done in return of harmony p.2.  being so engrossed with his own magic potential like twilight was would take up time to even bother making friends.  twilight only made friends because they saved each other, she wasn't even trying to make friends when ordered and even surrounded throughout the night with ponies that cared about her safety.  as for SS, being unable to satisfy his creativity he could've started to experiment on living creatures and then ponies to see what'd happen and maybe just to poke fun.

@Marquis Yarosh its not a comic and yes, i think there legit *rolls eyes because its hasbro made and they wouldn't put anything there that wasnt true

@***** wow i thought no one was reading that book so many people made so many thoerys that would go ageist it right?

@Carrigan Martin yea before i read the book i thought it was REALLY cool too!

@Lydia GKrager I know the pic is not real :) I just thought it looked cool if it was

@Carrigan Martin but if you read my comment you will read that that pic is not the real star swirl his beard is brown witch further proves the theory of discord being star swirl

Here's the actual theory... how do we know you actually LIKE Kim Possible? B-)

@Carrigan Martin me too!<br>i think that if discord was REALLY starswirled, that megen or the writers would have given some sort of veg hint about discord being starswirled. mabey like in one of megen's tweets or a little hint in a eqeustrian history episode like in a flash back.

@Carrigan Martin me too!
i think that if discord was REALLY starswirled, that megen or the writers would have given some sort of veg hint about discord being starswirled. mabey like in one of megen's tweets or a little hint in a eqeustrian history episode like in a flash back.

@Dutch Brony That's a good point you got there I believe in KP I think Discord is NOT Starswirled :D

@***** I would dout Kim would do that kind of thing but nice try anyways. And no I'm NOT trying to bully you.

I've read a official book lately: Guide of the two sisters. It's about Luna and Celestia. They write about Starswirl the Bearded and I honestly don't think it could be the same, since in the book, Starswirl the Bearded leads the princesses to the Tree of Harmony. But the first time the sisters use the Elements, Discord doesn't seem to know about them. So that doesn't make sence.

im going to have to side with KP on this one.......i dont think theres a way discord can be starswrild. in twilght kindom it says that sombody became freinds with a young startswril and discord was not even around at this point so........ya.

I was gonna tell you but then I wacthed sory spelling so yeah

2:23 that's a cool pic of Starswirled the Bearded :D Both of your theories are pretty interesting nice job! :)


Who's to say Celestia and Luna weren't already in power when they banished Discord? They already have been ruling Equestria when they turned Discord to stone.


I now think that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded because the resemblance is way too obvious. And if they do say that the IDW Comics are canon to the show then both Princess Celestia and Princess Luna were around and were already princesses when Star Swirl the Bearded were around. I agree that the spell that Princess Celestia gave Twilight did something to Star Swirl the Bearded and nopony found out about it and Princess Celestia didn't realize the disappearance of Star Swirl the Bearded and the appearance of Discord was two of the same thing. If the comics are canon to the show and even though both Meghan Mccarthy and Discord's voice actor John De Lancie has said differently they can lie to hid potential spoilers in the show's future so not to ruin the surprise of it. I think maybe they should reveal that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded in the My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Movie next year. That would be the biggest What a Twist in cartoon history. The only thing that could top that is Ash's dad being revealed to be Team Rocket's boss Giovanni.


I don't think discord is star swirl because in the season 7 finally it was said that star swirl and the pillars of Equestria had made the elements of harmony but then to defeat the Pony of Shadows they had to send the pony of shadows and themselves to Limbo. This all happened before Discord was defeated the first time. Discord can not be Discord because Star swirl was in Limbo while Discord was making chaos everywhere.


The side-canon from the books and comics place starswirl in the castle of the two sisters after the fall of discord. So, this timeline doesn't really work.


The journal of the  two sisters states star swirl was with them.

Kimberly Howland star swirl was their royal sourcerer

i guess your theory is a bit off, but hey, you might be close!


There's one flaw with this whole idea, if discord is starswirl, tirek wouldn't know him as discord cause starswirl played in his imprisonment


i think this theory is pretty good because discord is mainly 6 species, and everything else that was said was pretty good too


Or... Maybe his friends WERE those animals that he has turned into? Just imagine that the monster, with whom Apple  Bloom has met in a fiery swamp has not been made by Discord and individually was his friends when he was like...Star Swirl the Bearded? I mean, after all, Fluttershy is a close friend to animals, then why would not he be alike? That would explain the mixed creatures. Maybe they do not represent elements of harmony, so maybe that's why that spell mixed them. Or once the animals had no special talent, the spell changed their body parts and not cutiemarks. And maybe he just tested this spell on the animals and on himself? Sorry for unperfect English. I saw excerpts from the movie with Russian subtitles in your video, so maybe you understand Russian?

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I think (like you said) Discord is Star Swirl but he changed himself. I think he didn't intend to make the spell.. He performed the spell then turned himself into discord and losing control of his power and trying to rule Equestria but getting control again and accepts friendship BUT his other side is still evil so he often betrays everyone :3


<b>We should stop saying "season 7 happened!" "season 7 happened!" as look at when this video was uploaded as it's outdated!! It's probably annoying</b>

*We should stop saying "season 7 happened!" "season 7 happened!" as look at when this video was uploaded as it's outdated!! It's probably annoying*


Honestly, it checks out. Until you watch the 3 newest seasons.


I’m in the future and if discord was star swirl the bearded he wouldn’t appear because he got transformed but he did come back in season 8 I think he did come back somewhere though but I don’t know which season


Starswirl the bearded does have friends because in the last two episodes of season 7 he comes back with 5 different ponies that are from different legends they and the main six help defeat the shadow pony but Starswirl dosen't seem very friendly


Celestia has been alive for thousands of years and in one of the episodes she had said that star swirl was once her student. you are leaving out info that the show has mentioned


I have my own theory about MLP:FIM the theory is that celestia had this whole thing planned from the start, I mean what are the odds that she would be under that window right at the moment she did her first spell? or why she came in at the right time to turn twilight into a princess? or how she happened to have the book that caused all the problems in the season finally of season 3 which she showed to luna at the beginning of season 3


At first I thought this was just bullshit but now, i believe that something like this actually happen in fact maybe the EXACT same thing could have happened


1:54 He can have friends, even if he doesn't understand the meaning of friendship. There are a lot of people like this in our not cartoon world.


i like to think that Celestia knew Star Swirl, and also knew about his transformation, that's why she wanted to bring him back and reform him :3


The bronynotion discord isn't starswirl the bierded because of the season 7 finale 2017

Galaxy Girl when this video was made the episode hadn’t come out yet

@Meiyan’ Laforme if they weren't fun to watch I wouldn't be here lol 😂😂😂

@Meiyan’ Laforme true but too be "Honest" I think mlp would be a much more compelling series if these theories where true.

In season 8 both Discord AND Starswirl were in it 😏

La Luna this was before season 7  maybe this was when season 1 and 2 werd out

This was posted in like 2014, obviously it’s now been debunked and he knows that.

I hate it, because I'm German and the german version isn't out yet :/ I could watch the english episode, I have no problem understanding it, but I don't want to <b>totally</b> forget the german voices of the mane six XD

I hate it, because I'm German and the german version isn't out yet :/ I could watch the english episode, I have no problem understanding it, but I don't want to *totally* forget the german voices of the mane six XD

the finale was pretty good but not many people saw it coming when this theory was made :0

Random Woona i know thats why i Worte 2017 if your Not blind 😑

Mrs. Miraculous that what I was thinking.

Mrs. Miraculous it hasnt come out though


I dont think the spell swapped his body parts. Its not like he can become friends with parts of himself. Not too many people focus on wat the spells intentions were. Celestia says that the spell is unfinished and he couldnt get it right but I dont believe her. I think the spell was done, but created for bad intention. "From one to another, another to one, a mark of ones destiny singled out alone fulfilled." Starswirl knew the secret to ascension, its making friends in order to wield the elements. However, he did not have any intention to make friends. If you pay close attention to the spell, it says exactly wat he wants done, which is to switch all the elements except the one meant for him so they are rendered useless and unneecessary for becoming an alicorn. He was trying to cheat the elements. Wat I think happened is when he cast the spell, they didnt switch since the elements didnt belong to one individual each yet to make is easily swappable. Instead, the spell backfired and the elements might have shot their magic at him, but only this time as a chaotic and corrupted magic due to an attempt of mal-use, thus turning him into Discord. Why do you think Celestia leaves Twilight in the dark all the time? She doesnt wana open up secrets in fear Twilight would also become corrupt and lose another successor. Proof? Sunset Shimmer. She also knew ascension was in her future and became corrupt with the thought of power. Shes also the first and only pony we've seen use an element for mal-use and as a result, it made corrupt magic and transformed her.


Isn't there a book that revealed that Celestia and Luna were chosen by Star Swirl to rule Equestria?<br>Also, I have my own theory: Star Swirl is King Sombra.

Isn't there a book that revealed that Celestia and Luna were chosen by Star Swirl to rule Equestria?
Also, I have my own theory: Star Swirl is King Sombra.


I disagree because in one episode celestia explains that discord was born with his parents but lost them in a fight and celestia and luna found discord after their parents died and became friends . After a long friendship with celestia and luna discord became power hungry and took over equestria.  At that time celestia and luna were already old enough to rule peacefully while discord was older and able to control his powers.


And so, season seven killed this theory. Seriously, the minute I watched it, my first thought was, "Notion is probably pissed right now."


I don't think its true just because of the mlp comics :P<br>Starswirl was still Starswirl while Celestia was in power.

I don't think its true just because of the mlp comics :P
Starswirl was still Starswirl while Celestia was in power.

@Alma Martinez<br>luna and celestia were born alicorns lauren said that herself

@Alma Martinez
luna and celestia were born alicorns lauren said that herself

@janice2004226 Nope, she said:

"You've done something today that's never been done before, something even a great magician like Star Swirl the Bearded was not able to do. Because he did not understand friendship like you do."

@The Brony Notion Celly did say that Star was her student

@Storm Analysis Nothing a headcanon can't fix I guess XD

@Storm Analysis To be fair, the show is very confusing regarding it's lore before Celestia's monarchy. Sure, they showed the imprisionment of Discord and Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon, but they don't really tell us when did Scorpan and Tirek came into Equestria, or what events lead to Discord becoming the tyrant of Equestria... Or more importantly, how Celestia and Luna archieved alicorn status.

@The Brony Notion It was mentioned by... I forgot what staff member that the comics should be treated as canon unless the show disproves the comic.

I believe that the comics are cannon. :P<br>Could be considered to be my headcannon though :P

I believe that the comics are cannon. :P
Could be considered to be my headcannon though :P

Lots of people have mentioned the comics, tbh, I actually haven't read them, but in most cases discrepancies from the show would give it a different canon, so that the occurrences and history of the show and comic can differ greatly.  It's just a thought though :) /)))


Maybe IF Discord is Star Swirl, the chaotic mash-up of creatures that he is influenced his personality so he became random and chaotic.


0:48, you forgot when Starswirl befriended Scorpan while the Princessess were...also...around? But I thought the Princesses showed up out of nowhere to kick Discord's sorry but. After all, he did rule in an "eternal" state before they came to save the (third person referred to) ponies of Equestria.


this video appeared in my recommended while i'm having trouble with stuff and I decided to watch it, that's how much I love these theories!


I personally don't believe Starswirl became Discord. I believe Starswirl was working on his spell when he disappeared, hence making it unfinished. Later on, Discord was born, but as a pony who becomes cursed later on. Also, SOMEpony has had to put two and two together! We GOTTA know!


Maaan.... People are so stubborn this days... If they say that Discord is not Star Swirl, then he is NOT Star Swirl! Come on, even the comics never connect these characters!!! (They only say that Star Swirl was similar to Pinkie Pie) It doesn't make sense, because Draconyus and Ponies are different species. If Star Swirl really turned hymself into a monster don't you think that Celestia would have knowen?? (She's a freaking Alicorn for god sake!!!!) And instead , in return of Harmony, she would have said: Discord was a unicorn who abuse of his powers and turned into a monster!!! And not: Discord IS THE SPIRT OF DISHARMONY, he ruled Equestria bla bla.... So no, for me Discord is just another type of creature but nothing to do with Star Swirl! I support ILoveKimPossibleAlot's theory!

@Divine Shadow (Hugs!) Yeah, hopefully everything will get clear in time. Can't wait for season5 !!!!! :D

@Jade Faury<br>I've seen her video a long time ago (I was a big fan of hers :p and might just go back and re-watch some episodes now :p) Also you're very welcome and I see that your reply was very clear so I hope that i could be of some use so now only can you get your point across but also avoid most of the jerks on the internet ~hugs~ :) hopefully we can get a clear answer someday but for now lets just get excited for Season 5! :D

@Jade Faury
I've seen her video a long time ago (I was a big fan of hers :p and might just go back and re-watch some episodes now :p) Also you're very welcome and I see that your reply was very clear so I hope that i could be of some use so now only can you get your point across but also avoid most of the jerks on the internet ~hugs~ :) hopefully we can get a clear answer someday but for now lets just get excited for Season 5! :D

@Divine Shadow Thanks for the advice! :3<br>Now that I remember, I think it wasen't tumblr, I think it was twitter! (I kind of counfuse them) But seriously, if you haven't seen that episode from KP, I highly suggest you do it now, then we  can talk.  I realize that there is nothing that I can do to convince you, but it was surely entretaning. Thanks anyways, and maybe in time the answers to our questions will be revealed.

@Divine Shadow Thanks for the advice! :3
Now that I remember, I think it wasen't tumblr, I think it was twitter! (I kind of counfuse them) But seriously, if you haven't seen that episode from KP, I highly suggest you do it now, then we  can talk.  I realize that there is nothing that I can do to convince you, but it was surely entretaning. Thanks anyways, and maybe in time the answers to our questions will be revealed.

@Jade Faury
The tumblr of discord doesn't mean it's the exact person who voices Discord because I'm pretty sure he has a lot more things to do then post on tumblr (I'm not even famous and I have better things to do than be on tumblr) the only person who has full control of the entire show and which direction it goes in is Lauren Faust or whoever else is in charge of the show. I haven't seen or heard her say anything about it so the theory still stands for the most part. Romance being as clean as day in MLP will never happen unless someone makes an 18+ version (if I had the animation skills I would have already done this just to help out the fans and my own desires) honestly whether it's true or false it's still pretty cool :p

Also grammar takes time trust me I know. You do NOT wanna see my comments from 2010 because you would never understand them that's how bad it was.

Just double check your paragraphs or sentences when you write something out to fix any mistakes that's what I do c:

@Divine Shadow Sorry for the gramar, I know a lot of people say that to me, but its still hard to get it all right!!! (Sorry for that bro! I'll get better! :p ) Haven't you seen the ilikekimpossiblealot video about that? At one momento she shows a tumblr ubtate from discord who says that he is not star swirl the bearded. That theory that everyone loves and hate is just that: A fanart... Just like DiscordxCelestia (witch the writers totally destroyed saying us that there was nothing between this two characters T_T its a shame) Discordx Fluttershy or even human versions of them! (Oh wait, they did a movie about it already, didn't go very well...)  My point is that, the theory of discord been star swirl the bearded is fun and entretaning, but its just that: A theory. An hasbro is not magicly gonna exhaus all our wishes. They don't make theories come true if they don't like, and this one doesn't seem like an exception...

@Jade Faury<br>Even if they did spend time together that still doesn't disprove the theory at all Jade. Also who on the writing team said that Discord wasn't Star Swirl the Bearded? I'm pretty sure De Lancie doesn't write for them but is just the VA for Discord. Also please work on your grammar so I can better understand what you say properly because it's very hard to decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.

@Jade Faury
Even if they did spend time together that still doesn't disprove the theory at all Jade. Also who on the writing team said that Discord wasn't Star Swirl the Bearded? I'm pretty sure De Lancie doesn't write for them but is just the VA for Discord. Also please work on your grammar so I can better understand what you say properly because it's very hard to decipher ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs.

@Divine Shadow I don't think that celestia is the most powerfull creature Do be honest, I would love discord as the new King of equestria!, but if you think that you're theory is right...Explain to me why was star swirl living with celestia. In one of the comics, we see both of them  traveling trough the mirror. They did lived at the same time, and Star swirl maybe saw discord fall. But they are not the same person. When the writers of the serie tell you that he's not, then he's not. End of story. You can wacth all the mlp episode until you die, but you'll never see star swirl turn into discord because they are not the same person!!!

Closer than you are even allowing yourself to think. Both of our theories are false until it is made official. You seem to think that Celestia is more powerful than Discord which is hilarious at best.

ORRRRRR he lived even before Celestia and Luna were even close to being past their foal years so they could have almost 0 information about him since they didn't know anything about the great wizard besides what was written and he could have hidden that secret for as long as he has been alive now so he could observe the elements of harmony in peace and tests Equestria to find the true owners of the Elements of Harmony through his chaotic mischief but has no real intentions of destroying it or ruling it. Discord is the god of chaos so he could literally plummet them into a hellish (cartoon style) existence without even wasting a breath if his real intentions were like that. Who knows who Starswirl really is though to be honest but him being Discord isn't as strange as you might think and does make a fair amount of sense.


What if the town knew about starswirl disappearing and discord appearing maybe they thought discord did something with starswirl and turned their backs on him. That could've made him angry, and caused him to take over equestria.


Season 7: Literally destroys this theory


I'm so dedicated to mlp, that I became vegetarian for it, is that going too far?


Thanks to Season 7 finale this theory is busted.


if the writers say that discord is not star swirl then discord is not star swirl


I feel like star swirled got consumed by the same "dark forces" that consumed luna, and turned into sombra....


In season 7, discord was still there, and star swirl just came back from limbo.


He had no friends so instead of switching friends it switched him. Also, comics don't count because often they are not like the show.


can u do a video on how long ponies live for? Twilight was just a filly when first went to the summer sun celebration or whatever it's called. About 20 people years later, its been another 1000 years and she goes to the same celebration again.   Henceforth, nightmare moon comes. Why does a pony year take so long?


I agree with the timeline on all except ONE major point.  I don't think he turned into Discord.  I think the evidence points to him turning into Sombra instead.  I mean, when you think about it, he has a lot more in common with Sombra than with Discord.  Let's break it down.

Star Swirl - unicorn with crazy amounts of powerful magic.
Sombra - unicorn with crazy amounts of powerful magic.

Star Swirl - existed before the time of Luna and Celestia.  How long before, or if he was a contemporary of theirs, is unknown.  The inclusion of a whole wing of their royal library suggests they had tremendous respect for him, and possibly knew him.

Sombra - while unknown, the fact that the Crystal Empire had no place in known Equestrian History until it resurfaced suggests it has been gone for a very significant amount of time.  Luna and Celestia were the ones who stopped Sombra, but at what point in their timeline is unknown.  It likely occured sometime after their defeat of discord (they had the Elements of Harmony?) but possibly before they truly took power.

Star Swirl - Tried and failed to give himself the magic of Alicorns.

Sombra - Seems to have a twisted version of Alicorn magic (given Twilight immediately using his sort of magic when Zecora told her to use such magic).

Star Swirl - Seems to have been friendless by the end of his career/life (given that he never finished the spell that switched cutie marks).   With friends weilding the Elements of Harmony, the spell transformed Twilight into an Alicorn- at the cost of her previous body.  Seriously, her old body gets obliterated, and the next time we see her (physically), she has wings.

Sombra - Without friends, what effect might that spell have had on a pony?  The further away from a source of a particular magic, Sombra was disembodied.  A single magic crystal (the crystal heart) was what allowed him to take form.  Twilight's friends all had magic crystals as well (the Elements of Harmony), and her transformation into Alicorn was a success.  But who's to say what might have happened if someone had tried to do it on their own, with only one magic gem?

Star Swirl - certainly involved in the ruling and politics of the unicorn race in pre-equestrian days, but seems to have moved out of those lands before the formation of Equestria, evidenced by the fact that it is his pupil who helps form the new nation, not him.

Sombra - CERTAINLY involved in the ruling and politics of the Crystal Empire.

And last but not least,

Star Swirl - his title isn't "The Magnificent", or "the Great", but "The Bearded".  Given what we've seen of male ponies in the MLP universe, facial hair really rare.  Who's the only other male pony we've seen with facial hair (besides that one foreign dignitary) and who MAY have been alive before Celestia and Luna took power?

Sombra - Has sweet sideburns, yo.

That's my thoughts on the subject.  Maybe I'll make a video like this one describing this theory, but with pictures and clips.  Still, I'd love to hear what you all have to say!

Celestia and Luna were Starswirl's students

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Well, its a real, physical comic, by IDW, you have to go to your local comic store to get it, and hope they have a copy, or even carry mlp comics. The other option is going to the idw website and buying a digital copy , or ordering the comics online

@Ace Link me please? Whenever I try find something I just get real disappointed and find nothing.

sombra's backstory is reveled in "fiendship is magic" the comic mini series. i believe the first issue

+CesarTheKing <br>We see Sombra's true form in the season 3 pilot, though. Celestia and Luna reverted him to it when they defeated him. And he appears before Twilight and her friends in it when they first see him in person.

+CesarTheKing
We see Sombra's true form in the season 3 pilot, though. Celestia and Luna reverted him to it when they defeated him. And he appears before Twilight and her friends in it when they first see him in person.

@Lemon Square Agreed.  We need an MLP version of the Hyrule Historia or something else with an official historical timeline.  Until then (or something else in the show) happens, I'll stick with my theory.

@CesarTheKing that's true. Something to note is that wherever tirek was in this timeline is, star swirl is before him. So in a way its kinda dictated by when tirek was. So if the writers make a timeline for us we may be able to prove or disprove the sombra thing by that alone.

@CesarTheKing i don't remember the exact one but I believe it was mentioned in the one where twilight traveled back in time

@MCB A.K.A "THE MIGHTY VISECTAMAKER" Source?

@Lemon Square That's a very good point, but I'm not entirely sure.  We really don't have any idea at what time the Crystal Empire vanished.  One way it might have gone is this:

Windigoes --> Sirens --> Discord --> Tirek --> Sombra --> Nightmare Moon.

Of course, every point in that scale is interchangeable except for the Windigoes and Nightmare Moon (and even then, the sirens might have been before the windigoes, but that plays in to my other theory that they were one and the same, so sirens' banishment would be later), but Sombra coming after Tirek works with my theory.

@CesarTheKing  sombra wasn't originally an unicorn he was an earth pony who was somewhat adept at magic which all ponys posses and wished to obtain more power and used blackmagic to make himself an unicorn but well black magic made him evil

One plot hole. Starswirl was still alive when tirek and his brother arrived and at that time the two sisters were in power. This means star swirl couldn't have been sombra because it would be recorded history of his transformation. The reason I say this is because if star swirl was sombra then the writers had a very easy and good moment to make it canon and didn't. We gave to remember that this stuff is all written and if they wanted it they would tell us when the moment was litterly RIGHT there in season 3.

Its this plot hole that disproves him being discord as well. Since the sisters were in power when tirek arrived mean discord was stone. (Anyone who says time travel shouldn't. Only one case of time travel, which was going to the past, was made canon)

Of course this is all belief in the end. And your entitled to your opinion. My however is that star swirl was never a villian... Unless they make him his own separate one in the future.

Remember discord was a type of known species and sombra was before gone before starswirl was gone.


If starswirls the bearded turned to discord with he´s last spell he wrote in his book, then would he turn to starswirls the bearded again if he would use the same spell twilight wrote to become a princess.


I have to agree that discord is starswirl the bearded. But I realize that I thought that the spell should turn that turn them into discord was this unfinished spell that turned twilight into an alicorn, but, he made a few friends so, now that he's made some friends shouldn't that have turned it back into starswirl the bearded if he is starworld? I mean the spell is because he didn't have friends but now that he has friends shouldn't he be starswirle again. I mean Celestetia even says it herself that he did not understand friendship like twilight so shouldn't he be starswirl again.


I totally agree with him when the timeline came in


broney you realize this is connected to other theories of yours. like the one where twilight time traveld and became clover the clever. and the one where celestia and luna are from an alicorn civilization. like for example, in the alicorn civilization theory, you said luna and celestia noticed that the equestria was falling appart, in this case discord was tearing it appart because he wanted to have "fun" so they came to equestria and turned discord to stone and the rest of the timeline goes on. and the one where twilight time travels i came up with the idea that twilight migh have been the ACTUAL pony that then TAUGHT star swirl the spell without noticing she changed the future to its actual self because she sees star swirl didn't know the spell wich lead to this whole body morph thing. and i can also state that star swirl DID have a friend. in this case, clover the clever, or time travel twilight. in this little theory at that point of history star swirl was more lighthearted so he made friends with twilight. but later on he KNOWS that twilight time-traveled and he ALSO creates the time travel spell she used in the episode, but since he felt betrayed by a friend that seemed to trust him but didn't trust him enough to tell him she time traveled and tell him she was an alicorn too so he started to loose all the friends he HAD because he started treating them like they would do what twilight did. this is what leads to the inmortality spell. because at one point he realizes he's getting old and he's gonna die, but he wants to prove himself stronger that twilight so he discovers an inmortality spell, wich he uses on himself and keeps a secret so no one would be too overpowered, but sadly the overpowered one was him. this leads to all of your theory when he decides to use twilights cutiemark changing spell, but he DID use it, although twilight never noticed she never told star swirl the antidote spell for the cutie mark swap, so since he used the spell on himself, it was permanent. another thing is that, since the cutie mark spell changed the main 6's personality, it changed his too. from a warm-hearted sweet man, to a horrible stone-hearted creature, but since somehow FLUTTERSHY managed to turn discord into who he was when he was star swirl later in the season we know he's who he was again. false, because like i stated earlier the spell WAS permanent, and not only for that but because only one pony was willing to trust discord, wich is fluttershy so discord didn't fully change back to his old self, so he didn't morph back to a pony and still has a teensy bit of mischief in his personality. if u read this plz make it into a vid bye!


Well, John De Lancie claims has never actually watched the show!


@The Brony Notion  To add to your theory in S.3 Ep.11 "Keep Calm and Flutter On" Discord admit's the Flutter Shy is in fact his very first friend. Thus proving that if he was Star Swirl the Bearded he indeed had no friend's as Star Swirled. (Plus who can get over that beard and those eye brows on Discord and Star Swirled! XD )


I beleive you...... well sorta. And Celestia's story was very convincing at first, that Discord was evil. But there is another side to the story to. Witch I hope you do a video on Discord's side to the story.


I agree, maybe chaos is Star Swirl's d, so the spell fulfilled his destiny like the spell said.


This is how many people are watching after season 9.   👇🏻


"Celly" is such a cute nickname for Celestia


Acually, I watched a video by Ink Rose about the history of Celestia and Luna, and it said that when discord was a baby, he was friends with young tia and luna. Then, when they grew older and stopped playing with him, he got mad and decided to turn evil just like his parents. Then, Tia and Luna defeated him and rules until Nightmare moon was banished. And, star swirl couldn't of been alive when the race of alicorns were. So, that prooves that StarSwirl and Discord are NOT the same person


starswirl does have friends they used to use the elements of harmony. <br>then they rose up against the pony of shadows and took him to limbo and they got stuck.

starswirl does have friends they used to use the elements of harmony.
then they rose up against the pony of shadows and took him to limbo and they got stuck.


I actually agree with I love Kim possible, this is because if that spell that star swirl used was against friendship and it turned into discord, then now that he's made a few friends and earn their trust, that his spell is now undone, then shouldn't discord have a transform back into star swirl the bearded, it's a theory but I believe that he is not starswirl because friendship should turn him back, sense no friendship turned him into discord pension friendship turn him back please put this into and video PS I am one of your biggest fans

I also wanted to add on that if starswirl was discord then he would've told Celestial for help and he must'v, but, if this was true then shouldn't she and Luna be hesitant to do anything like she was to do anything for nightmare moon and a little bit for Crystalis (but that's not the point I think it was only to let her finish her statement and to find out her whole plan)


I think it works because, in the comics, Star Swirl is said to behave like Pinkie Pie, yet hold grudges VERY easily. This fits Discords character as he is very up-beat, likes to play 'jokes' and doesn't seem to forgive what twilight or her friends did to him because he still tries to cause a little trouble between them all.


I would understand why Discord is Star Swirl. First off, he has a resemblance to the unicorn simply by his white beard and eyebrows. It makes sense further than that, but I don't know how to put it in words.


Also Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that I'm not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did disappear... But we couldn't be exactly sure if Discord is actually Star Swirled.


I love your theories but I don't think Lauren Faust really thought all of this through. It's just a kids show.


This theory is possible unless Hasbro FINALLY comes to their senses and makes an episode and explains why Star Swirl is so popular and who he was. I mean honestly if Twilight likes him so much and Ponyville has a museum for him, tell us about him Hasbro!

He's in episodes now and Discored is not starswirl CONFIRMED

That'san interesting theory in it's own. I just hope the season finale features his past and we finally get to see what he's all about

I think it's more reasonable to think he got trapped in a book or something once discord is ruled out by what I said before, and that the princesses only knew that one day someone would come and free him. Once Celestia also knew it was Twilights density to be a princess one day and not just remain a normal pony so she could in fact know that Star is trapped and Twilight is strong enough to save him. I'd make a interesting season final to go on a quest and find this book that happens to have Star.

@TNT Gaming My theory is he's going to play a big part in season 5 finale. Twilight is a princess, has a title and a mission I think the map will take the mane 6 to the past and we'll finally understand was StarSwirl isall about.

That would be really cool. I mean it is the offical story of them. However, I read it and it said the princesses were blank flanks when they become princess, so why did they need to rise the sun and moon in the first place as princesses when still blank flanks.

@WildKamots They need to make an episode.


You should do a video on which Elements of Harmony the two Alicorn Princesses represent if you haven't already


False. Read comics- they are considered "cannon." you are right in the timeline, celestia did meet Star swirl after the Discord issues.


Also to prove this theory star-swirl and discord both have bushy eyebrows and a beard..... So it could possibly be completely true that they are the same pony draconakiss thing something like that


I'm sorry, but this is you're first video I've had to disagree on, I don't really think it's possible that Discord could be Star Swirled. Anyway, even if fan logic works, I don't think the writers will follow up on that. It's just too hard to belive. Sorry Notion. .__.


I want to know how old Celestia actually is.<br>

Matilyn Blair I always thought them to be young adults at the time of Discord's defeat, so we have pretty similar ideas.

Don't we all. (I have my own headcannons, of course. Everyone does.)

Much over a millenia because she said that she was young when Star Swirl was her teacher, just before he disappeared by banishing the Shadow Pony, which by the way, was said to be over a millenia ago.

couldn't get a original name lol Lawrence

Springjuicr <br>I think horses and ponies are differents in mlp.

Springjuicr
I think horses and ponies are differents in mlp.

Springjuicr somehow older than granny but still looks young

Marc Haas a.k.a. Tyrannex, The Destroyer of Minds

What if: celestia and luna weren't born alicorns?

+bonnie bunny i know rght from the show we know that both her and luna are over 1000  years old but it dos not show how old thay are i think that Celestia was a teen ween dicord came and the same with luna

+Loyd Brown Just for that, I like you. NO HOMO

+bonnie bunny propably multiple mileniums maybe two or three we will never know

From my research she has been there since the beginning of time

+Toothless Baby celestia: For the crime of stealing my apple juice you go to the moon.

Luna: Cries hard

+Toothless Baby celestia: For the crime of stealing my apple juice you go to the moon.

Luna: *Cries hard*

@LightningStorm3321 me too (love your bill cypher profile pic)

Yea I hate it when idiots say OH SHES 1000!! So did she banish nightmare moon when she was one month old or what?


The journal of the two sisters kinda broke this theory... Heck, even the comics!


Ok let me get this straight. HIW COULD I BECOME A DIFFERENT SPECIES? You can't just switch species just because you don't have friends


And here i thought my crazy theory was mine and mine alone. i'm not disappointed. ^^ <br>Seriously, the fact that others believe that this is real makes me even more happy to know that it's very possible.

And here i thought my crazy theory was mine and mine alone. i'm not disappointed. ^^
Seriously, the fact that others believe that this is real makes me even more happy to know that it's very possible.


1. Both Discord and Starswirl have facial hair.  What other pony, unicorn, Pegasus, or alicorn has/had facial hair?
2. Luna definitely knew or at least had met Starswirl the Bearded because she had complimented Twilight's Starswirl costume saying how much like him it was.
3. Since Luna knew him Celestia would have knew him as well and could have been acquaintances, allies, or even friends. Starswirl would have aided in the defeat of Discord or at least would have been mentioned helping them but wasn't.
Discord had to have been Starswirl at some point before the spell went wrong. Not only did it scramble his body but it scrambled his mind as well so there's a possibility he doesn't fully remember being a unicorn or just doesn't want to go back to being one due to the limitations.
4. Starswirl's hat and cape could have been hiding somethings such as a missing cutie mark or a horn that could of been the result of experimenting with spells before they fully transformed him.
5. Could Starswirl have any family?

Thanks ^_^ and perhaps there can be a multi-universe episode with different twilights, and other characters but perhaps only one Discord. I also wonder if there are any ponies out there that are as naked as a naked mole rat or sphynx cat X3. they would definitely need help making friends just like Thorax did. Or maybe Rarity could design clothes for them to cover up their nudeness.

Other ponies in the show have had facial hair. And I do like how you brought up the point that Starswirl was close to Celestia and Luna, as Celestia only said "Starswirl did not understand friendship like you did, Twilight". She never mentions him having a lack of friends, just that he didn't understand it. But it's already established canon that Starswirl disappeared before the reign of Discord, so he couldn't have aided in his defeat. I also like how you say the spell could've scrambled his mind, not just his body as most theorists seem to ignore that the uncompleted spell also made the Mane Six forget who they were suppose to be.

And as for your comment about ponies shaving, they probably use their hooves, as hooves work like hands in Equestria, but we can still see that there are barbers in the show, and Pegasi, probably grow with hair/fur, as the only part of them that has feathers is their wings.

Other ponies in the show have had facial hair. And I do like how you brought up the point that Starswirl was close to Celestia and Luna, as Celestia only said "Starswirl did not *understand* friendship like you did, Twilight". She never mentions him having a lack of friends, just that he didn't understand it. But it's already established canon that Starswirl disappeared before the reign of Discord, so he couldn't have aided in his defeat. I also like how you say the spell could've scrambled his mind, not just his body as most theorists seem to ignore that the uncompleted spell also made the Mane Six forget who they were suppose to be.

And as for your comment about ponies shaving, they probably use their hooves, as hooves work like hands in Equestria, but we can still see that there are barbers in the show, and Pegasi, probably grow with hair/fur, as the only part of them that has feathers is their wings.

So I've searched google and wiki some more and it turns out there are others with facial hair in my little pony such as; Ace Point(mustache/sideburns), Sunburst(goatee), King Sombra(sideburns), Barber Groomsby(mustache), and probably quite a lot more.
I would love to know how they shave; unicorns can use magic but do earth ponies have to go to the barber or have someone else help them? If not do they use their hooves? Do Pegasuses grown in feathers and/or hair?
I'll explore more than come back to these questions if I can.

oh yea I can't believe I forgot about him he was a quirky character. I'd still love to see an equestrian(as in horse/pony-like creature) with facial hair other than donkey scruff


would have been cool if this actually happened!


You want proof that starts swirl isn't Discord well on a two-part season finale you get your proof


Or maybe starswirl is trapped in another dimension with another group of 5 ponys like the mane 6 (let's just call them the pillars) because the pony who brought them together (let's call him mysterious jelous pony. Or maybe something shorter. Stygian. Perfect.) got jealous of them because they defeated villans and they were admired but stygian didn't have any powerful magic so he stole the (...the pillars elements of harmony? But they didn't have the elements and they weren't really friends either... their artifacts, objects importand for them, just like the mane 6 keys, the ones for the chest of twilights castle) pillars artifacts to make copies of them to get stronger magic but the pillars thought he wanted their power for themselves so they didn't want him anymoren and then stygian turned evil (kind of like nightmare moon. We need a villan name for him. He's the Shadowpony now. Yeah, let's take that name) and the pillars had to fight him and they trapped the shadowpony in another dimension but they had to go there too and now they are trapped in another dimension and maybe twilight will try to free them but by doing that she also frees the shadowpony and they have to fight him again but Starlight Glimmer who is good now by the way thinks it's just a misunderstanding and a friendship problem and it actually is but Starswirl doesn't believe her and they try to trap him again but then Twilight realizes that stygian is still in the shadow pony and they get him out of there and they get him back and they ban the Shadow part of the shadow pony in the other dimension again and the friendship problem is solved. Then the pillars go and explore the modern Equestria and everyone is happy. Yay! This is just a theory.<br>Ok, no, I'm just kidding, I know what is going to happen. 😂 But this was fun!

Or maybe starswirl is trapped in another dimension with another group of 5 ponys like the mane 6 (let's just call them the pillars) because the pony who brought them together (let's call him mysterious jelous pony. Or maybe something shorter. Stygian. Perfect.) got jealous of them because they defeated villans and they were admired but stygian didn't have any powerful magic so he stole the (...the pillars elements of harmony? But they didn't have the elements and they weren't really friends either... their artifacts, objects importand for them, just like the mane 6 keys, the ones for the chest of twilights castle) pillars artifacts to make copies of them to get stronger magic but the pillars thought he wanted their power for themselves so they didn't want him anymoren and then stygian turned evil (kind of like nightmare moon. We need a villan name for him. He's the Shadowpony now. Yeah, let's take that name) and the pillars had to fight him and they trapped the shadowpony in another dimension but they had to go there too and now they are trapped in another dimension and maybe twilight will try to free them but by doing that she also frees the shadowpony and they have to fight him again but Starlight Glimmer who is good now by the way thinks it's just a misunderstanding and a friendship problem and it actually is but Starswirl doesn't believe her and they try to trap him again but then Twilight realizes that stygian is still in the shadow pony and they get him out of there and they get him back and they ban the Shadow part of the shadow pony in the other dimension again and the friendship problem is solved. Then the pillars go and explore the modern Equestria and everyone is happy. Yay! This is just a theory.
Ok, no, I'm just kidding, I know what is going to happen. 😂 But this was fun!


I think that is a really good theory as it all falls into place.


That thought is now invalid now that we know starswirl was imprissoned in limbo for 1000 years and dipcord was still free


here's another connection

In Twilight's Kingdom pt 2, we see that discord hands celestia some flowers. Now as people say, discord and celestia were dating. That means Discord used to have some good in him. It might NOT have been discord's form NOW. But back then, you never know! Why do you think Celestia knows so much about Starswirl? THEY USED TO DATE!! DUH!! So maybe, just MAYBE... Starswirl and Celastia were together. Then when Starswirl casted that spell, he became Discord. The king of chaos! What do you guys think? Leave a comment and share!


Also Celestia said discord was the only one of his kind I think she said that Im not completely sure anyway though it could be possible because he did dissapear... But we couldnt be exactly sure if Discord is actully Star Swirled.


Well at least you conserve this theory in your heart<3


No,because you said in omen video that celestia and Luna came to help the ponys and, you see star swirl  in  their view. So your completely wrong.


Aloso, out of ALL the main six, who does discord pick on the most? Twilight, his greatest fan


i think that Discord IS star swirl the bearded because when Twilight said Star's spell it switched the cutie marks of her friends which caused chaos in Equestria like when Discord tried to take over Equestria.


"After we found the elements of Harmony"         Celestia......you have been living by them in you old castle for about decades and you knew it. The only resin for you and your sister to build you old castle right by the ravine where the tree of harmony was because you and your sister found the tree of harmony.........that all happened  before you got your cutie mark. Before people you say this is wrong let me tell you there is proof. Read The journal of the two sister! O3O win win


Maybe Discord/Starswirl turned mad after the transformation into Discord, and after that he took over Equestria, forgetting who he used to be and what he could of been.


Please read the journal of the two sisters, brony notion. It would seriously provide some light on this subject, and it does reveal some important details on equestrian history

Although it has nothing to do with discords past


You have some good ideas and theroies but another thing the 2 sisters were only fillies to teenagers when vthe book was placed saying nothing about how he was turned into discord even if that would make a great plot line. He hlped them lurn how to raise the sun and the moon after he nearly lst all of his magic doing it by himself.!


Theory busted. Star swirl was around during discord being turned to stone, he was there during celestia and Luna's rule.


Actually, Discord ISN'T Starswirl. In the season 7 finale, Sonambula, the strong pony, the masked Matterhorn (?), Starswirl himself and the rest of the pillars actually return to Equestria after being in Limbo for 1,000 years. And so does the pony of shadows (which proves Sombra is <b>not</b> the pony of shadows). And did u know that Celestia is over 3,000 years old?

Actually, Discord ISN'T Starswirl. In the season 7 finale, Sonambula, the strong pony, the masked Matterhorn (?), Starswirl himself and the rest of the pillars actually return to Equestria after being in Limbo for 1,000 years. And so does the pony of shadows (which proves Sombra is *not* the pony of shadows). And did u know that Celestia is over 3,000 years old?

The Masked Matterhorn? You mean Mistmane.


So, does nobody take the Journal of the Two Sisters as canon? Star Swirl was present when Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks and ascended to the throne.


Good Theory. But Starswirl Was in the Limbo for 10 centuries.


Hey Brony Notion. Is there a chance you could make a video, and tell us why you ship Fluttercord? I'm curious. (Plus I'm a Fluttercord shipper myself.)


Good theory. This would make sense. I have never really thought about this.


I hope Hasbro has Discord admit this or at least become his original self somehow. I have a fanfiction idea.


I disagree with your thought. Even thought you got good ideas, it's logically impossible. For me, I believe discord, was always discord. And I had Hurd that stAr swirl did die. U need a bit more evidence for your theory


Hmm, I don't think discord was "stuck in limbo" for a millenia.


Aw man! What a stupid coincedence! I was watch that Narnia film with my mom for the first tima a few minutes ago, but we had to pause it because she had to do some errands. We haven't seen the whole dragon part again so this was a really unexpected spoiler!


Ok, when Celestia said he didn't understand friendship like Twilight, doesn't mean Starswirl the Bearded didn't had friends. It said, "Doesn't understand." But oh well.


In season four discord was like not like evil anymore but he turned his mind to tirek and helped him gain magic so discord became evil and tirek gave discord a medallion tirek said it represents his gratitude and loyalty to discord tirek lied to discord about that and discord noticed he betrayed his friends but he turned his mind to twilight and gave the medallion to her and said it was a sign of his friendship (discord was telling the truth) and it's the time twilight got her castle and defeated tirek


This has become my headcanon. Such a good theory and points


In the book the journal of the two sisters star swirl is cellys Magic mentor :/ and the book is owned by MLP FiM I'm pretty sure


could Starswerld misuse magic accdently turn himself into discord ?


Celestia never said Starswirl had no friends, only that he did not understand friendship like Twilight does and being the Princess of Friendship she better have a better understanding of friendship than any other pony before her. Also if you take the Journal of the Two sisters into count, Celestia and Luna knew Starswirl, also that Starswirl and 5 other unicorns were in charge of the sun and moon cycles, so it may be safe to say that Clover the Clever was one of the 5 unicorns? I think its safe to say Celestia and Luna were around at the founding of Equestria  perhaps not playing a key role seeing in the comics Celestia and Starswirl interact with each other even going dimension hoping together. It's also stated the Starswirl once attempted to raise the sun himself and depleted his magic in the attempt ultimately failing to raise the sun. So seeing Starswirl is weaker than Celestia and Luna, and all three existed at the same time, how would Starswirl ever gain enough power to where it forced two alicorns to use the Elements of harmony to defeat him?


A new episode came out and proved starswirl wasn’t discord


I agree with your argument. If you look at Discord and Star Swirl, Discord has the same white as Star Swirl. Look at Discord's eyebrows, and beard. Star Swirl's beard and mane spread to his face, and tail. Also, Discord DOES have a head of a pony, and his pony head is grey. Like Star Swirl's coat color. Coincidence? I think not.


<br>So baisicly a simple rumor of the fans caused disharmony across the internet? Yeah discord probably started the rumor... But seriously unless its on the show is there really a point in arguing over your favorite rumor? I guess its fun to compare ideas but some of the crazier fans will take it to far and start an internet war... Well thats all i had to say. Sayo~nya~ra!


Has anyone tried to actually ASK the inventor if there theories are correct it's not impossible she might tell you something


All of that makes sense but I wanna say something twilights frenids didn't remember who they were  so starswil didn't and if he did then he would probably tell princess celestia that he was starswirl and if she didn't then he would find a way to.


Discord could possibly be created by star swirl by him reading the story