MLP's Forgotten World

I may not want to talk time travel, but I do have more to speak of with you in the future. Just no wibbley wobbly timey wimey stuff. Now, I have work to do.

Was waiting for MatPat to make a theory about MLP but this is better

Here's a thought: Queen Chrysalis would totally take Twilight's place (with another changeling for Spike), imagine all the love she can feed on when dear Princess Twilight returns to her beloved friends and family! She can do anything from there with Twilight's image

maybe the abandoned world was the world of the new generation

Now there's an interesting and scary idea. However, since there aren't any doubles of Twilight, Spike, or Starlight, I think the three returned to their original timeline. The Map and the Tree of Harmony were connected to the time travel spell, so they could have pulled the trio back to their correct reality to keep things harmonious.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Sawtooth! ^_^

I personally think it's the same time line and, at the very least, they do merge back into one. HOWEVER, I think your theory would make an "awesome" grim dark fanfiction

The idea of that timeline being abandoned & falling into ruin is scary. It also is a bit scary to think about other timelines besides our very own in real life

If they were two different timelines with the only difference being a few extra spectators then the only explanation for why there aren't two Twilights, Starlights, and Spikes afterwards would be that the second universe's versions also went back in time, resulting in a timeline where there are two of each and probably a huge mess of other timelines, all with at least two extremely talented magic users having access to a map that can seemingly transport itself between timelines (and which seemingly didn't follow them to the last timeline), and that sounds like a pretty good way to guarantee that a spell for interdimensional travel gets figured out to me.

There’s another event you left out by accident. In that abandoned Timeline, Spike wouldn’t attend the Gauntlet of Fire. Thus Ember might not succeed in becoming the Dragon Lord, but Garble might

You clearly went with the multiverse aproach, I always just assumed they were rewriting the timeline everytime they went back in time

5:18 I think the other timeline could’ve disappeared, since Twilight is the main character. Having a show purposely focused on one character without that one character would have no purpose, so that timeline just no longer exist.
(just a thought, don’t hate me)

Technically it's possible that the timeline with the three extra spectators could be the original to begin with. It's a paradox belief that the past isn't as possible to change as you might think. Stopping the Rainboom was a massive change which was impossible to ignore. Rainbow never once talked about the spectators at the race that got her cutie mark so it's possible that the timeline before and after Starlight finished Starswirl's time spell might be one and the same

You forgot about the possibility of a time paradox. Starlight using the spell and Twilight bringing her back could be a fixed in time, meaning it would have happened in the "original" timeline with the rain-boom prior. It's a loop, and given the theme of destiny's through the show- as well as the episode where Twilight visits her past self ("Its about time") its shown you can't truly change the future- Meaning those alternate timelines very well could be set in our time as well. Similar to an illusion, a vision of what could be perhaps?? Idk, just that you forgot about the possibility of a paradox.

The map showed some level of consciousness or awareness of reality manipulation and had the capability to transpose itself across timelines to always be with twilight and spike. I think its fair to say that the tree of harmony or whatever consciousness that was would not want to separate twilight from her friends especially after gaining a new one.

Plot twist: the original timeline is the one that looked like a waste land.

Hey
I wonder if this was later in the show
What would a cozy glow timeline look like
Or one where all the villans ruled

Time Traveler: *Moves a chair*

Theorists: Well the timeline is entirely different now because in the original timeline no one moved that chair

(/j)

Dude, that video reminds me of the "A Sound of Thunder" short story by Ray Bradbury. Basically, the same thing about going back in time, but (almost) without changing it. My guess - it's the same timeline. Even if they create different timelines, these three could have been at the Rainboom at that time and haven't been shown to us due to... I dunno, unexistance of this plot twist? That's the basic time loop, just as the one in "It's all about time" episode.

This went waaay deeper than i thought it would, holy crap.

I personally love the Fallout Equestrian series and totally could picture the forgotten timeline being the same timeline!!

The Map and the Tree of Harmony were connected to the time travel spell, so more than 99% the trio was pulled back to their correct reality to keep things as they should be.

By that logic, shouldn't there be another Twilight, Starlight, and Spike in the current timeline?

This what I always thought when I was younger, not about mlp though. Like when I was probably 7, I always used to think when someone time travels and go back to their timeline, they aren't onto their timeline. Like what you said "being there is already a change" I didn't think about that for a while until I saw this video lol. I know exactly what you are saying

See, this is why we gotta protect the sacred timeline.

Amazing! There are so many timelines that Starlight had created and it’s getting confusing for me. Luckily you made this video and now I know about it more clearly. I liked 👍🏻 the video!

I have a theory that it was all in 2 timelines, let me explain so starlight was trying to go back in time to stop the rainboom and ruin twilights friendship but without realizing she ends up making a new timeline and preventing the rainboom so then nightmare moon could take over equestria but discords spell still wares off and takes over equestria because well he's more powerful. After discord took over chrysalis takes over by turning in to something immortal and overthrowing discord but sombra returns and starts a war and while the war was going chrysalis transformed into celestia for whatever reason maybe to trick sombra and it was changelings working the entire time then flim and flam just randomly start removing trees in the sombra timeline because they take like nothing seriously then tirek steals all the magic in equestria including sombras magic and starts destroying equestria until it turns into the final timeline where everything is destroyed then in the end they return to the 1st timeline and the second timeline practically doesn't exist anymore because its just well you've seen it

What if the abandoned timeline became the new generation timeline? Cozy was successful in gathering the crystals that power all of equestria, and spreading distrust in each of the species. This explains why we don’t see another species of creature in the new generation. Another tiny detail, is that we never see a picture or toys of twilight as a fully grown princess, nor the other mane 6 as their older selves. This is just a theory, but without a doubt it’s very fun to think about

Future thought about G5: What if that abandoned world actually became G5?

Can we appreciate how he spends time making these videos for us and he makes the best high quality content videos and he makes our day even better!

Alternative idea: it’s a time loop so there was no alternate timeline to begin with :)

Bro this feels like a creepy pasta but a light version of that at least the way you explained it from the beginning 😮? Anyone else agree ?

well no you cant merge time lines
even if you go in time and and just being there, and the time line look so similar to the original timeline, the timeline cant be merge, the deed already been done
and if the timeline merge the time it self will be destroyed and maybe also the universe bc the timeline cant connect with something different its like mixing salt and sugar in a coffee, the sugar and the salt represent the timeline and the coffee represent the universe,
the sad truth is the abandon timeline is doomed just like zecora said
"time is a river where even the tiniest changes seen"
"can lead to a cascade of effects downstream"
honestly i wonder how many hours did they take to make a whole line for zekora

I like the idea that fanfics are also alternate timelines. In my case, my character and his friends got sucked into Equestria. Just being there created its own timeline because the characters interacted with the character in question. However, fanfics never affect the main timeline so whatever happens in the other timelines is exclusive to that one.

Is it just me or is Sawtooth's voice so calming in this video

Bro this feels like a creepy pasta but a light version of that 😮? Anyone else agree ?

tbh this is a really interesting fanfic idea!

I really like this idea. I saw another theory that was somewhat similar to this about the way we get to the g5 movie. Maybe our new generation is meant to be the continuation of the first timeline from the show? Whatever it is, it'd be super cool to see more on this idea!

Wow after all those years. Your still doing Mlp.

If the world is forgotten, how does Sawtooth know this?!

A good addition to this theory is what would have happened when the storm king arrived and Twilight wasn't there to help power his staff, would it still work or not and how different would the events be assuming there wouldn't even be a festival because of Chrysalis taking over, only more questions appear...

When it comes to the abandoned timeline I think it may fix itself into something similar to our current timeline you mentioned Celestia finding a replacement element of magic but didn't elaborate much I think in terms of who the replacement could be without twilight or starlight (or spike but that doesn't matter) the best candidates I could think of would be either sunset but she has a role in the human world or Sunburst sure he may not have much magical talent but his knowledge may be enough for him to earn that spot in which case the crystal empire would be ok and then the second invasion may happen but I think a completely unexpected factor may come to light The princesses all three may be able to overcome the invasion with thorax and then that will be resolved now the school of friendship becoming a thing is debatable but possible and then cozy could still be stopped by the exact same way and in this timeline I don't think discord would even bring back Tirek, Cozy, Chrysalis and Sombra and the only known difference from there may be either the sisters not retiring or them finding another replacement.

I think that we were seeing that timeline (the "second" one) to begin with. Sure, you never see Starlight, Twilight, and Spike in The Cutie Mark Chronicles, but you can boil that down to the writers/storyboarders/etc. not having that planned yet (which it wasn't) or that our view of the events just quietly skirted Starlight and Twilight's confrontation, as the events were being told by distracted narrators who likely didn't notice either, so we just didn't see it then. I still feel that it was there, and that we've been seeing that timeline unfold all along. Whether there really is an abandoned timeline out there somewhere is another story... they do say that every small choice we make branches off into a new path (Zecora even points it out in the Chrysalis timeline) so if that theory is correct, then I'd venture to guess there are a multitude of other doomsday scenarios beyond what can even be imagined. Anyway, great video!

Has anyone thought that since Nightmare Moon(Luna) has a idea time travel magic exists, she might try to look everywhere for a spell or something? Especially since Luna is Starswirl's student and I'm pretty sure she'd look in his stuff first because he's well-known to have made a ton of spells

Even if time-travel confuses me sometimes, Sawtooth still manages to make their timeline videos thoroughly entertaining.

Alright, I took some time to think this over and the conclusion I came too is that there is no 9th timeline.

Simply put. For there to have been any significant changes in the flow of time, something significant would have had to have happened to one of the main players. The premise for the 9th timeline is that three new people saw an event happen.

What exactly did that change or effect in such a significant manner that it would cause a rift in the timeline? Three beings that existed elsewhere in the world at the same time where still doing their thing and anyone who saw those three could easily be convinced that they were just seeing things.

On top of that, most people believe this "little events can change the way the world continues" thing due to the butterfly effect and an incorrect association of the "equal and opposite reaction" law (Newton?)

The premise of the butterfly effect has doubts cast immediately as the death of any being on this planet is truly insignificant to the overall span of the planet and the fact that there are an increasing large number of animals to dot he thing that one dead bug could have done; making its death pointless to the flow of time.

As an science major will tell you, the equal and opposite reaction law has no bearing on anything pressure related forces. Look it up to find more details, but the long and short of it is that when you step on the ground, the pressure you put on the ground is also being applied back to your foot while also being distributed into the ground around where your foot touches. Nothing to do with time or time travel and stretching it to try and apply it to time travel has no logical basis.

Sawtooth. Have you noticed that every time before twilight got her castle, she got the same spark like in season 1 episode 2? It's an interesting detail.

It would actually be a lot nicer if the time lines merged back together

What if, while time-travelling, you can go back to a timeline you've been to, but Twilight and Spike kept coming into a different timeline from where they'd been before? But that when they went with Starlight they happened to come back in the original. We will never know...

You're right Sawtooth, it's not just the events you interfere with or the people you interact with that changes the timeline, the fact that you're in the past period could be enough to change something in the timeline, in fact when Twilight, Spike and Starlight returned to the restored timeline, i'm surprised that they didn't do a part where Rainbow Dash says "Welcome back." because you know since both Twilight and Starlight interacted with Filly RD you would think she would've remembered them and all that.

Something to Consider: The Tree of Harmony. We don't know much about it, just know it helps keep the Everfree Forest in check. We know it can create a hologram, and used said hologram, which took on the form of Twilight Sparkle, to communicate with the students of the school of Friendship... What if there is more to the tree than just what was shown? A Power capable of correcting paradoxes, so long as said paradox is minor?

Starlight messing with Rainbow Dash, thus preventing the Rainboom? Too powerful of a paradox.

Starlight, Twilight, and Spike being there to witness the rainboom? minor enough that the Paradox can be corrected, thus the tree does correct the paradox, because it would be the most harmonious outcome, allowing the three to return to the original timeline they left.

Maybe the last timeline they went to is the one your talking about

If you ever watched the Flash, he tried to save his mom once and things didn’t work very well. So he had to have her killed by someone he hated again! The timeline was never the same. You can break the timeline, but you can never truly fix it… like you can break a cup, and put the piece back in the broken part. You still see the crack. Congratulations, by the way. You read this. Hoo-ray. 👏👏👏

What a brilliant theory. The first: I think it's about how Starlight's spell works and not a time travel in general. The second: Celestia and Luna. I suppose they can and will prevent any danger until any of them find new "special pony" or group of ponies.

Have you seen the show Primeval? That worked with this kind of change to history at the end of the first series. A very minor change to the past caused elements of the world to be different. Although in that show's universe, it appears that once a timeline change has happened, the old reality doesn't exist anymore, which is how I interpreted The Cutue Re-Mark.

Honestly, I'd have to agree with this theory. It is similar to how The Flash went back in time to save his mother and when he lived his life with her, he decided to get back to his first timeline (letting his mother get murdered). When he let things happen, he managed to get back to the proper present but things weren't exactly the same as before.

This is a cool idea, but I've always thought of the timeline as a loop, kind of like in Harry Potter
Idk I guess I've always imagined that when the rainboom was changed each time, the past timeline was just... erased, which likely isn't the case
But for our main timeline, Twillight, Spike, and Starlight were always there, its just that since they were spectating away fromna crowd, no one really noticed them

The two patterns in time are simultaneous. One involves the others as well... If something changes in one, the other timelines branch off like a tree from a root, leaving chance of being in-between or a part of either timeline. Picture the cat in the box experiment, but never ending.

"Equestria lost its magic" you heard that right that means G5 would be in the previous timeline where all the magic it's lost and probably where the princesses were kept captive so there are no princesses anymore...

From what I remember, we never got to see the twilight of the other time-line's so it's possible that the twilight of the main time-line actually posested the bodys of her other selves every time she came back to the present so whenever she went to the past again the conscious of that time-line's actual twilight returned and her body was teleported to were it was before she was posested and the time-line continued as normal. In other words, even if twilight's consciousness left its original time-line there is still a twilight there. That goes for the rest of the time-lines as well. I would like to believe that after the twilight we khow left the other time-lines the people she met there went on to find the twilight of their time-lines as well as the unite the rest of the main six.

Love your therioes Sawthooth! Thanks for putting in so much time and effort. And Iove you editing style the visuals examples help me understand it better!

This theory also fundamentally falls apart if you factor Discord. The original timeline Discord would go “Where’s Twilight and Spike?” Probably around the time of the GGG. And probably pull them from whatever timeline they ended on. Discord being able to open dimensional rifts makes him capable of opening through timelines too theoretically, but since time magic is performable by Unicorns and Alicorns, he can probably do it too. If Discord was so oblivious as to not see it until the season 6 finale, then pulling Twilight and Starlight then before infiltrating the castle would make it gg easy. Of course this is mostly assuming there are two separate timelines.

If you look back at season 2 "A hoof in time", that episode showed what time travel truly is like, if you go to the past to change something, nothing will change, because since you're going to the past, that means you had already travelled back in time, so you had already done all of that. But then you ask "If it is like that, then shouldn't this event happen unaffect for you to have a reason to travel in time? Like we see in the show?", that is where the magic comes, like a tree can change itself to adept to the enviroment, or the elements of harmony change their shapes to represent their champions(?), same can happen to the timeline, it let the traveler do their changes, then infuse it with the timeline so things won't change, imagine when you trim a video to add something in the middle, then put video back where you made the trim

Btw there is a tenth timeline where Twilight, Spike and Starlight saw Sunburst getting his mark

what if it was possible that the original timeline actually still had twilight and starlight in it during the rainboom, and celestia was notified of twilight being an alicorn grown up, so celestia used that knowledge and made sure that nothing in the timeline would be changed.

It's been a year since this vid came out, but I gotta say this: My theory is that either star swirl or starlight had changed the spell to keep everything on one timeline, or time travel is just weird in mlp. Like when twilight went back in time, she couldn't change anything. So it seems to me that fate is fate and nothing can change it. And as I'm writing this, starlight and twilight could've reversed everything they did before they left, causing the broken off timelines to uh idk, become alternate universes? Or even a simpler solution, returning to the original timeline.

This video is a great idea for a fanfic, so I'm going to go write it. I remember thinking something like this when I watched the episode, but didn't dive too deep into it. 🤔

It could be that the original timeline was already part of the loop. Starlight and Twilight were always and will always have that battle before sealing the loop in that last moment. They have always and will always be extra spectators in that moment.

That is pretty interesting. I was wondering with that recent trip to that bill space, you would of thought of this topic. Hey maybe this could have something to to with the new generation coming out. Will you be discussing that?

I feel like everything Sawtooth talks about, I actually believe it was canon in the show. These videos are awesome and I’m glad I subscribed :)

Given how systems work, if you have the outcome to B, and it's similar enough to G, then you typically just merge them into one to simplify everything. Time is a system, whether it's typical or not is questionable. I'd say they merge. Especially, since you also need to ask "where is the second Twilight?"

time travel is complicated especially using magic. was it quantum magic, (where it's like cutting a piece of a mat and sewing on to another place.) or is it string where it's like a bed sheet patterns the times treaded together and cross no matter what. or the butterfly effect where their appearance was just enough to change the unknown time by them. or like a tree branch where they made it to their original time, yet still branched and created other variants.

The way I saw it, Twilight, Spike,a nd Starlight existed out of the time space during these moments, they could affect things and change time, but just existing in the past wouldn't directly cause any fluctuations.

Merging timelines would mean time itself did that, as most logically timelines would stay individual once they branch off, even if the same events happen after the Rainboom. With logic of timelines themselves, the ones shown in the show (Nightmare Moon/Chrysalis/King Sombra/Tirek etc. takes over) are the more drastic changes, while stuff like this are less drastic, like choosing if you want to get out of bed a few minutes early which doesn’t impact your day at all, which will create a new “timeline”. Merging the timelines would require having Starlight fail to stop the Rainboom, unite with Twilight and go to the present, which wipes out the past timeline, leaving the original universe’s events gone forever, with the exception of other timelines, but that would require different choices in the past without Starlight appearing at the race where the Rainboom happened. So, in theory, the original universe would be gone forever. Infinite timelines wouldn’t do anything, even with infinite choices, there would never be able to be the exact same copy of a timeline, because there is no use in the copy. It is possible, but there would be no use for merging it in logical ways.
The disappearance of Twilight and Spike from the original timeline means, with identical timelines, they may have switched timelines, but the second timeline Twilight would not go to the original timeline, instead, to another, new one, and they cannot go back to the same timeline, causing another Chrysalis timeline and a forever gone Twilight. With the knowledge of the second timeline Twilight traveling to a completely new one, This creates something that seems like an infinite loop, infinite timelines branching out from when Starlight travelled to the past to attempt and stop the rainboom. It’s hard to wrap our minds around the concept of infinity, but this is not infinity by logic. There are only so many choices that can be made, even if there was a trillion years since ponies started to live consciously, that would not be infinite choices, and hell, some timelines may even end because of what, a tyrant somehow wiping out the universe with a book spell? Some timelines will not even have Starlight’s redemption, so only a few existing timelines. This creates a weird paradox, if this follows the no copy of timelines theory, where would the “last” timeline Twilight go? Wiped out from the universe permanently? That could be an answer, but it’s weird, as if they got erased permanently from the entire universe and everything living itself by time traveling to a non existent place, if that was even possible. The most logical thing is that they were transported to a timeline where another Twilight existed already, like some future Twilight thing but permanent. That would be insanely messy.

What if there was an alternate universe where tireks brother agreed to take over equestria with him

Hey, Sawtooth. Bit of a long-time fan here. I've been wondering. Do you make your own sprites, or does someone else do that?

Wait, wait wait! That's an amazing analogy though the predictions you made may have been.. incorrect.
The fact that Twilight, Starlight and Spike left an alternate timeline makes a lot of sense...kind of. You see, if that were to be the case, this really complicates things as in the new timeline, there should be another Twilight, Starlight and Spike, right just like in the Equestria Girls World? So, I think it's the same World...shaped in a different way. I don't think there is a timeline where the villains are ruling..the events of the past alter the present...one present. Not multiple presents. The only other present is the Equestria Girls world. But, even if we do consider what you say to be true because it could make sense, things won't exactly pan out the way you think they did/ You see, now we have seen that in these timelines, the characters are different too.... Starlight's gone. Twilight's gone....but some pony isn't....Sunset Shimmer. She hasn't gone to the Equestria Girls world and since personalities are different, she might take on the role of Twilight. Zecora might also become a much more important pony figure here. Now, what happens beyond that we can't really tell unless we literally get this alternate dimension MLP but this is a very cool idea to think about though to some extent, far fetched.

I think it would be more like the Twilight paradox, where the universe would alter itself to where it has always been that way

Hey Sawtooth, I might have an idea for a theory. I was listening to mlp music on spotify and got to What my Cutie Mark is telling me. The theory I came up with was what if that broken spell that Starswirl wrote had broken the protective magic around the tree of Harmony.

If you use Loki logic, they didn’t have significant variant activity from watching it happen so they could probably safely return to the original time like nothing happened

Out of all the theories, I think this one is the most likely:
Twilight, Spike and Starlight were always there but unnoticed. It’s just a bootstrap paradox.
Before the perfect paradox, several destruction happened, then when after Twilight convinced Starlight the paradox finally perfect, and that’s the only way that could save the timeline. The reason why I think that your theory is wrong is that in the “second” timeline, where is Twilight, Starlight and Spike

We need more MLP
Multiverse!

I mean Starlight had the spell specifically designed to go to the past at a certain time every time Twilight tried to. I presume this means the Twilight and Starlight appearances are overwritten in this way because there’s be 7 Twilight’s and Starlight’s duking it out while the Rainboom should happen. If Starlight has a final say on the timeline they end on, then potentially she made a restore point in the present as well in case any and every timeline was worse. She herself never really got to experience the timelines from what we saw until she was forced to see one.

I kind of agree with you! However, I think it goes more deeper in that. It might be a little bit confusing. It goes like this.

The timeline where two extra spectators are watching the sonic rainboom. Another Twilight is still there in the testing area. That Twilight when she grows up she will also face an alternate world Starlight Glimmer who will create alternate timelines. She leaves that timeline and goes to another to stop Starlight. Then, she ends up in a timeline different to the alternate timeline she was in. So basically what I am saying is that the different Twilights in each alternate universe left their universes to another. Maybe a Twilight from an alternate universe came to the main timeline!

alternitive possibility, twilight spike and starlight were always there but unnoticed.

I love the flower in your mane, very pretty! ^^
Nice background btw

Maybe in the new movie twilight did the same puzzle about the forgotten world and tried to go back there and succeeded, that is why sunny was the first alicorn after so long.

3:23 Maybe this time instead of making violent invasion Crysallis tries subtle approach by mimicking Twilight.
Since all her friends are on edge they'll be more suspicious of the fake, and this time Chrissy's plan fails and instead of her invasion being done in the shadows wheee nobody knows what's going on, it's now open.
Wonder if she will fail an active invasion or not

When I watched that episode for a second time years ago, I actually noticed that in the beginning Pinkiepie delivers a cake after they leave, then in the end the entire mane six shows up with no sign on the cake. Maybe their is something to the different timeline thing.

I love how even after MLP ended you still continue making theories and videos about it!

This reminds me of a book I read called Interworld. Not about time travel, but instead multiple universes. Basically, if there is a minor change, a new inverse will be created, but quickly merge back together. Only big changes have an impacts

Well, if time traveling worked this way, we would have two Twilights, two Starlights and two Spikes in the current timeline

This really is a paradox. It's kinda like that one twilight time travel episode. It really could be like that everytime a version of twilight,starlight and spike get back to "their original universe" (which is actually just a different timeline where they were present in the past),another version of the same event is happening and it's a constant loop. The only way to stop this loop is to alter and so it seems continuous

I feel like it's easy to say that, in true doctor who style, time was rewritten. instead of a new timeline, the same timeline just adapted to having 3 new people at the time of the rainboom.

A forgotten first timeline... That very well just might be the timeline the new G5 movie takes place on. It could explain why there is no longer magic there if Cosy Glow removed it all in the past. Why there are no alicorns left if Twilight was gone and Tia could not find a replacement before they retired. This could explain so much about the G5 world.

I think one thing we all have in mind is what twilight's reign will look when her friends aren't here anymore. Since she is the princess of friendship, she will either have the shortest reign maintain friendships with inmortal beings like discord (who i also worry for thinking about Fluttershy s death), or getting corrupted like nightmare moon.

It’s not a mistake, ✨ITS A MASTERPIECE✨

There's also the possiblity that them going back in time was part of the main timeline, sort of like a paradox. They're there, they always were.

If I can jump the gun a bit here, the only way we saw the rainboom before this whole thing was the flashback, which was from rainbow’s point of view. Twilight and starlight could’ve been there the whole time, we just couldn’t see them because rainbow never noticed them. Which means there might not be an abandoned, lost, original world, because we’re still in it.

If this was indeed true, then where was the original Twilight in the alternate universe? We know she does exist since the castle wouldn't have existed without Twilight... This makes me think that perhaps they swapped universes lol. But since there is still a Twilight in the current universe we started out in, nothing bad will happen in both universes...

If you want to be an optimist about it, we can assume another Twilight from another branch returned to the "first" branch. It's not technically the same Twilight, but it's close enough.

What if the wasteland timeline is a result of the original timeline, I know you covered it in another video but I feel like both that theory and mine could both be a part of why it is the way it is.

I assumed the rainboom incident was close enough to the original for it to merge back into the first timeline. Mainly because I also went down this thought exercise and decided I dont want to think about a bad timeline 😅

I mean with the theory of quantum entanglement yes, it's very reasonable to suspect the timeline never re-merged and the old timeline continued without

I mean... Thinking about it, wouldn't each timeline have its own version of Twilight in the future? That should be no different for the "extra spectators" timeline. But there's no second Twilight in the future we see, so I think that it's more likely that Twilight, Spike, and Starlight returned to their own timeline, the original.

this theory is very good, but remember that the time travel spell that Starlight used is the same one that Twilight used and both are created by Star Swirl, the only difference is the date you can travel to and the duration of the spell. and as we know, Twilight found her version of the past and nothing bad happened when she came back, probably when Starlight used it to travel through time, the 2 ponies and spike were still in that timeline doing their thing so when they came back they should to have resumed the current present without any change

In the other timelines, we never met those realities' Twilight Sparkles in the present. How did Twilight Sparkle's life turn out if the failed the entrance exam - if Spike didn't hatch at that time. It seems the main timeline's Twilight Sparkle, Spike and Starlight Glimmer were protected from the changes, but the might have been the possibility of observing their alternate selves if they chose to.

What if a Twilight Sparkle from one of the alternate timelines protected herself from the temporal changes and still exists in the restored or new main timeline.

The "abandoned" original timeline might explain some things. Like how the CMC's abilities differ between "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils" and "Growing Up is Hard to Do". Could one minor change lead them to be unable to use a train without adult supervision when they were fully capable before. Their parents, sisters, etc raised them just different enough that they weren't as independent.


What if the abandoned timeline is the timeline G5 is derived from? Everything fell apart after Twilight Sparkle, Spike, and Starlight Glimmer vanished.
Sunny's impression of the Main Six seems to be as they were before "the future" seen in "The Last Problem". What if the available artifacts on the Mane Six end at the end of Season 5? That was the last version of Twilight Sparkle known to exist. Where she ended up nopony knows? ...

I'm pretty sure that the forgotten timeline would end up turning into the mlp g5 . After all, it feels like in that timeline, all of the things Twilight said were thrown out the window and because we know alicorns live longer than normal earth ponies , pegasi and unicorns , I think that Twilight , if she was even there, would of changed the way everypony thought about one another but because her time there was cut short , ponies know who Twilight was but all of her speeches had been forgotten.

Moral of the Story: Never, Ever, No Matter What, Use Time Travel.

But if they went to the future of the “new” future, wouldn’t there be 2 twilight’s?

I personally think that time travel in mlp works a bit different. Notice that there seem to be no twilight from the alter universes. The way I see it work is, picture something like a future vision. There are many futures that exists, but only one becomes the true one. Now apply it to alternative timelines. There is only one true timeline, the others are just what "could have been if-". And the reason why there is no other twilight in this timeline is because there is only one twilight in one point of time... it would be easier to show it with a drawing or something, but imagine a line (timeline) but with a way thiner, empty line inside of it; next to this line there's a thin line that could fit perfectly in that empty spot but it’s not the one that is supposed to be there (it's our twilight, starlight and spike) these lines used to be connected at one point in time, but with sonic rainboom (or its absence) they split. I don't know if the way I'm explaining this is clear, but in short, there can exist only one timeline at a time, and you cannot add more to these timelines from other timelines, like more people. What do you guys think?

I like to think this is running on similar time travel rules to what the Marvel Cinematic Universe is using these days, but without infinity stones or a TVA to regulate anything. Of course, this would mean a rogue time traveler like, say, Starlight Glimmer in this case, would actually turn out to be quite inconsequential from the perspective of the world she left behind, but Twilight doesn’t necessarily know that, and there’s no reason to expect she should, prompting her to chase Starlight anyway.

It’s not the same rules because, among other things, they didn’t seem able to go back to their own “present”, but they also didn’t encounter themselves in subsequent transports back to Young Rainbow Dash’s Rainboom event.

… This is why time travel plots need to be handled with the utmost care…

There’s one reason I think the merged timelines theory (or any other theory where twilight spike and starlight comes back to the original timeline) is correct is because if they time traveled to a new timeline, then where is that timeline’s twilight starlight and spike? If a new timeline was made but with basically no changes to the original, then twilight starlight and spike would come back to a timeline where they already exist in the same way as the original.
Also I just hope that they come back to the original timeline, bc the separate timeline with twilight spike and starlight disappearing is really sad ;-;

I admit it's a fun theory you've crafted, but I do have to throw one possible stray hair. There is a Bacon Haired former protoge that at this time Twilight would have already redeemed and could come back to fill in for the role. And in fact could cause things to alter even more drastically.

Love these timeline videos

Well here's my thoughts on this. After Twilight, Starlight and Spike went back to the alternate time-line, a mysterious person casts a spell on ponyvill, a spell that turns ponies into anime humans. Strange, I know. After that, Celestia made another version of Twilight named Twi-Chan. And ever since then, everything was the same as the alternate time-line. So yeah....That's my thoughts are. Please correct me if I'm wrong 🙂.

Prompt for some theories: If you were to bring your phone into a different timeline and call someone who still has that number in that timeline, would it call the timeline that you came from or the timeline that you entered? Or both? What if in the timeline you entered, there was a different person with the same number?

There's still a remaining timeline that wasn't uncovered yet, the timeline where Starlight wins, where Equality rules.

I’m just going to go with, starlight, twilight and spike were always meant to be at the rainboom from the beginning they were always there and will always be there. Because it’s part of what happened. Kinda like when twilight went back to warn her past self, that event had to happen so that twilight could get worried about a disaster and go crazy to then end up trying to go back and warn herself not to worry which just makes it a loop. I feel like if starlight, spike and twilight were not present during the rainboom then a different timeline would occur. Because they were meant to be there having a feud changing timelines and ultimately not changing anything and going back to the present. Like that event in itself was always going to happen and will happen.

Omgosh I am so creeped out right now. I feel like that’s completely possible and the thought of what Equestria would look like without Twilight is scaring me.

Though I agree that the timeline they arrived at the end are not the one they left, but I don't think the original universes is left abandoned. There should be a loop here where the twilight and starlight in the current universes left this universe then the twilight and starlight from the other unvierse will arrive at this universe and replace them, this happen to every universe during this time and that may explain why we didn't found another twilight and starlight in the following episodes, because if they arrived at the universe where twilight and starlight didn't depart, there will be two twilight and starlight in the same universe, and since twilight are already friends with the other five main characters at this point, plus they live in the same place. two twilight will almost certainly notice the existence of each other. Since we didn't see a second twilight in the followings episodes, I believe they are the one and only in the universe, but probably not the one that belong to that universe.

What if celestia had a "vision" and saw the chaos about to acurr and, being celestia decided to let it happen but before starlight got the spell she altered it in a way that wouldnt affect their current timeline

And the time travel paradox? You know, it may be possible that grown Twilight, Starlight and Spike could have been in the original world. It is shown when Twilight tried to warn herself that everything was okey and she freaked out because she saw her future self. Of course, with Starlight's spell, the effects were longer.

Two Theories

1. Has Flim and Flam been reformed yet? The only thing I know is that they have because they helped the Mane Six from Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow.

2. When you were talking about Sunset Shimmer and Sunburst being brother and sister and Luster Dawn having Sunburst and Trixie as parents, I think that Sunset is Luster's aunt.

Maybe the original timeline was well sort of distorted or abandoned due to 1 of the princesses vanishing from one timeline to another, and without the power of friendship and the friendship school, their nations COULD have been at war (Basically the dragons and possibly the yaks which get the ponies involved, and every other creature so that Equestria and places beyond them are just a wasteland, and going on, it would just be a total worry to Celestia. Nobody is there but possibly the 2 sisters, and their roles wouldn't matter. Here's why.) My theory on the reason dragons would go to war is because without Spike and Starlight having their special connection with Ember, she wouldn't probably even remember any of that. While Pinkie Pie would still be in the abandoned timeline, and the nations probably at war, she probably would have already been gone forever, (killed possibly) the yaks would go to war as well. That's just my theory, because without the magic of friendship, none of the stuff that Twilight, Spike, and Starlight did wouldn't have mattered. Now, continuing on..

Tirek could come back, Cozy Glow could as well, Chrysalis could become the changelings ruler again and make them turn back to the love-absorbing creatures they were, King Sombra could go back to ruling the Crystal Empire, and enslave the ponies, Starlight though..? Everything she did.. wouldn't make sense in that realm. None of anything she did would have mattered, because she flopped dimensions and so when one villain does, none of their remaining power stays. Also, without Twilight, her friends would be lost with what to do with Equestria, and wouldn't probably even THINK to spread friendship if the true leader of the subject was gone.. That's just what I think though. Anyone agree? (SORRY IT WAS SO LONG LOL)

dude, i absolutely love theories like this

I have a theory, with the metaphor of: Time is like a river, where the smallest change will change everything, but still recover with time. I imagine this like a kind of rock, Starlight stopping the Rainboom is like a gigant rock that made totally different timelines, but she and Twilight only standing there is like a very tiny rock, maybe Rainbow will only have a kind of deja vu with Twilight, Spike and Starlight becouse she saw them as a kid )?

I don't know is just me making stupid theories xD

Then there's considering that this time travel happened because of magic instead of physics, meaning the possible precise mechanics are likely pulling from a different list.

What if Twilight and Starlight being there was already accounted for in the timeline they were from? Maybe it works like the first time Twilight used Star Swirl's time spell and it actually doesn't make any difference.

There's always the other probability of them being stuck in a paradox.
That they were always there to see the rainboom in the first place

I think that, since it’s not mentioned that anyone saw the three of them, I wouldn’t really affect anything. If an omniscient, unseen spectator went back in time but didn’t interact with anyone or anything, it wouldn’t change much of anything.

Watch out! Here comes the fan fics about the lost timeline!

...Actually that would be pretty interesting though

Perhaps it's a paradox, where Twilight, Starlight, and Spike were ALWAYS in the original timeline. That's the answer I came up with, personally.

Hang on a second, Sawtooth. If the new timeline that branches off from the rainbow ends up identical to the original forgotten timeline, then that timeline would still have it's own versions of Starlight and Twilight, meaning
1: The new timeline has 2 Starlights and 2 Twilights, which would only make sense since the forgotten timeline has 0 Starlights and 0 Twilights. If the new timeline doesn't merge with the original one, then it doesn't make sense that the new Starlight and Twilight merge with the old Starlight and Twilight, so these duplicates have to be out there somewhere. (One interesting idea is that, after having to go undercover because of their new selves arriving and taking their place, they might have discovered where they came from, decided to go there, and prevented the forgotten timeline from ever going south in the first place)

But more importantly...

2: Since this new timeline would have its own Starlight and Twilight anyway, they too would go through the exact same sequence of Starlight going back in time and Twilight trying to stop her. This means that the new Starlight and Twilight would also attempt to go back in time, only to encounter duplicate versions of their other selves in the original timeline attempting to do the same thing, which would only cause confusion and more multiversal mayhem.



Come to think of it, every timeline that Twilight visits will already have another version of Twilight in it somewhere, but in the timelines where the sonic rainboom was prevented somehow, this doesn't present any issue because the versions of Twilight in those timelines would have grown up in a way that drastically changes their destinies, so we can assume that the original Twilight didn't run into the other versions of herself simply because those other versions would be in some obscure locations. If you just so happen to see this comment, I think this would be a good topic for you to cover.

Everyone here seems to have forgotten about the table, a way for the Tree of Harmony to project it's will still being there, after Twilight returned to present, every time.
Meaning no branching timelines, it was always one timeline, and the Tree was able to resist the change, or smthn.

Yes, but this is under the assumption that time splits into alternate universes- which is only one interpretation of time travel. If anything, I think MLP time travel works a lot like Harry Potter time travel with a few key differences, going off the ninja twilight episode. I think they just messed with one timeline, and caused the same timeline to warp. By changing how they affected the timeline, the changes also were affected, until they were left with a timeline that, for all intents and purposes, is the same.

Yeah, can never be missing in some multiverse, the darkest and most secret line

I have another thing to bring to the table, what if, if they did in fact make a new timeline, but still went back to their own timeline, greatly affect that timeline still? they may not have done anything to change anything, however, the timeline where they were present for the rain boom could have still greatly affected said timeline. after all, seeing a unicorn in cloudsdale would be suspect enough, but to see a baby dragon AND a NEVER BEFORE SEEN ALICORN would alert someone right? Not to mention seeing them suddenly disappear into a vortex is not exactly helping. What would happen after that?

They'd find a way to stop the chaos in the abandoned timeline somehow, they still have the rest of the main 6, and maybe the 6 creatures that hoes to twilights school may become the new protectors?

Honestly nameless's non-answer tells a lot. "Some things are better left unknown" sounds a lot like "you wouldn't like the answer" to me

I haven’t thought about that in a long time but I feel like the original timeline one of the villains Would’ve taken over the timeline in the original timeline but then at the same time it feels like a big difference happened because after the time travel episode it feels like The original timeline is now destroyed and all the ponies from that timeline would of turned into slaves or died Or something threatening or scary would of happened to all of those ponies:(

Moral of the Story: Don't time travel

Dude...This could be a ground breaking theory! Or maybe even a fan world

MLP Is one of my most favorite shows (it's wierd since i'm 13) And i almost started to cry how depressing IT was

If this was true, wouldn’t the timeline Sunset went to with all her friends have no Twilight?

Also think about this, if they are in a new timeline, then the timeline they are in, already has a twilight. Or the two twilights happen to be doing the same thing the same time, making the two switch universes. That also means the universes the two twilights were in were indentical.




Let that sink in (not being rude).

In my opinion, If anyone saw spike, starlight and/or twilight, the timeline they will go through would be different. However, if they weren't seen, they will come back to their original timeline.

Maybe they always went back in time, so them standing there didn't create anything new. This would solve the depressing timeline dilemma

This timeline theory sounds kinda similar to how time travel works in Back To The Future, and I say this because in the first movie after all that's happened during that entire week Marty spent in 1955 with him trying to reunite his parents so they can fall in love, get married and give birth to him and his older brother and sister, when he successfully got back to his own time in 1985 thanks to 1955 Doc Brown's assistance to help him catch and harness the bolt of lightning at the clock tower into the DeLorean's flux capacitor to power it up to send him back, the next morning after he woke up and walked around his house, he saw that everything including his parents, siblings and even Biff Tannen were quite different and in many ways a very significant upgrade from the mediocre, depressing mess that he remembered living in originally (and as well as the local mall's name being changed from Twin Pines Mall to Lone Pine Mall because he accidentally ran over one of Mr. Peabody's cherished pine trees while hurriedly driving away from his farm), however, the rest of Hill Valley and all the history that happened there, in the U.S. and the rest of the world seemed to play out exactly the same.

So if time travel in MLP and the world of Equestria operated in such a similar way, then that would mean that the changes would be relatively minor with only Twilght, Starlight and Spike noticing the biggest details but the rest of Equestria and everything that happened during their lifetimes remains exactly the same, but that's just the way I'm personally seeing this theory play out when I thought about such a scenario.

I just assumed it was a merge personally, or that from the get go, Twilight and Starlight and Spike were always there at the Rainboom Race because... Well that's what always happened. Absolutely chilling theory tho 10/10

there is one problem with this theory, if they moved to a different timeline, what happened to the original starlight twilight and spike of the different timeline?

I think you’re right sawtooth Cause starlight made lots of changes to the timeline but being there was already a change so I think there is a forgotten timeline But I think that forgotten timeline may have been a cozy glow timeline because even with or without the school of friendship She may have penpal TRECk And gather enough artifacts to drain all the magic So with all that evidence the forgotten timeline is officially a Cozyglow timeline

Idk if there are branch timelines like in marvel, I think there’s probably just the one timeline that keeps getting altered by starlight- if the timeline was changed by them being at the race then the original timeline probably just doesn’t exist anymore

If the original one was supposedly forgotten would the elements really work in the alternate timeline? Yes Twilight is still the same pony,same for the other elements of harmony. But still,the elements should work with the actual holders,even if its just the same pony from a different timeline

Didn’t a large boom happen after they’d returned, and the scroll was absorbed into the time-travel-portal? I interpreted that as time having been restored… since none of the other universes/timelines did that.

I can see you turning this into your own original fanfic series called “The Ninth Timeline” where future Twilight, Spike & Starlight discover they been living in an alternative universe and not their original one.

Oh man, you could use this to explain G5. Twilight disappeared, and Cozy Glow drained all the magic from Equestria. The three tribes fought over who was responsible and they all split up.

I’m going to say this first… Your theory is good. Quite an interesting thought experiment. But I have my own thought experiment… one that says that Twilight, Spike, and Starlight all returned to the original timeline. Here’s my evidence:

Based on the events of the Doctor Who Monthly Audio Adventures (the 8th Doctor stories Storm Warning - The Girl Who Never Was), it’s possible to be down or up a person initially at a fixed point in time, and for the overall Prime timeline to continue on unabated. Let me explain the Doctor Who story “Storm Warning” by Alan Barnes.

In the events of that story, the British Airship R101 departs from England with a total occupancy crew of 54 persons. Among those onboard is Lord Tamworth the “Air Minister,” an undisclosed VIP (which brings the total passenger count to 56 because this VIP has a necessary doctor) and one Charlotte Pollard. Through the events of the story, the VIP, Charlotte at the last second, and Lord Tamworth leave the R101 and right around 2am, the ship suffers a breach of its Hydrogen airbags. While she stabilizes, it’s too late for the crew to save the ship. The R101 crashes into a hill in northern France, killing all those still onboard.

In the story, this leaves only 53 souls still on the ship at the time of crash, which should be a problem as it’s reported that all 54 were killed. Yet it’s revealed that time has continued to go on as if all 54 were dead.

Need I also mention the story “Scaredy-cat” where a virgin world in its early history suffers from a mass extinction event? In that story, The Doctor’s companion C’rizz (pronounced Kehrizz) gives the early colonists of the virgin world a vaccine to a deadly plague that was off world in origin. This should’ve altered the timeline, which goes on to show a civilization developing on the virgin world’s sister exobody. That civilization vows to never colonize their moon (the virgin world) out of an abundance of respect for the ecosystem of that world, and as a reminder of what they should strive for. But there wasn’t enough vaccine given. Time sorted out those kinks.

What I’m trying to get at is that sometimes, Time itself looks at these issues and brushes them under the rug. Three extra spectators are but a tiny detail that couldn’t make that much of a ripple in the time stream.

Idk if this makes sense, but my headcanon is that going back in time is like a reset, like they rewind everything that happens up until the point in the past which in this case is the race that caused the rainboom. Since Twilight and Starlight went through time using the spell, this memory wipe/reset had no effect on them. When nothing changed in the last reset except for the fact they were there, life just continued on as if you pressed play on the remote of the original timeline. A much less depressing theory even if it doesn’t make as much sense

I'd make a slight tweak. It's not that the original timeline is forgotten. The spell's implied to retain a connection to the point of origin. Rather, using the spell CREATED a timeline where they never returned. Just as much as there are the timelines where the friendships where never forged.

Wait, but in all the timelines possible from this, Twilight and Starlight were in them but as a fillies. And as for Spike, his egg was still laid, he would have still hatched. Starlight and Twilight would have been there in the ‘original timeline’. Things only started to change AFTER Starlight stopped the rain boom, and Twilight, Spike and Starlight existed at that point.

Love these videos :3

"Do I look like a search engine to you?" Best line ever 😃

What makes you think Twilight, Spike, and Starlight weren't at the original timeline's Rainboom?

Remember that the unmodified spell creates a time loop that PREVENTS changes. If it's the same spell, just modified to ALLOW changes, then choosing to change nothing leads back to the self-sustaining time loop.

By this theory, then, because Starlight cast the spell, there exists no timeline where there were no witnesses to the event that could theoretically result in a Sonic Rainboom. Every version of the timeline includes the three people arriving there through a time portal. Starlight's modification allowed for a grandfather paradox by allowing her to change things such that nopony cast the spell in the new timeline's future, but it didn't prevent the past of the timeline in which she cast the spell from having always had her portal appear in its own past.

Are you telling me that the abandoned timeline turns Equestria into a place without magic, who possibly, let's say, eventually leads to other series of unfortunate events? For example.....becoming a world filled with "paranoia and distrust"? Sound familiar?

Because to me, it sounds like G5.

To also think that the main 6 or 5 without twilight, would be heartbroken.
And also how many ponies would of perished in the snow, maybe even flurry and royal family themselves, or the royal sisters.
God brining back old memories of those “sad” mlp complications-

Here's a dark theory: what if the final timeline we were shown was the forgotten one? Maybe Spike's irrational fear of a changeling-dragon war wasn't so irrational after all...
Edit: just figured out this idea already exists, just ignore me.

Considering the amount of variation that can happen and the ruling that the multiverse creates branches when something happens that causes history to change course, there isn't going to be a new world created every time someone chooses what they want to eat for breakfast. No historical impact, the choices simply blend together into a single world. It could cause a dissonance of misremembering things, but would not create a new world

Even if this theory is correct, and I believe it is since I thought of this before, who's to say a new set of heros or the rest of the main 6 don't find a way to overcome these upcoming catastrophes. After all Equestria was fine for a thousand years since the banishment of Nightmare Moon without Twilight to intervene

You know this could be the reason the ponies in G5 are divided, maybe in the original timeline Twilight never returns, the rest of the Mane 6 find that she and Spike disappeared and even when they try their best to search all over Equestria. Twilight is never found, and without the Princess of Friendship things go south from there. Even if the rest of the Mane 6 tried their best to live up to Twilight’s element of magic they know that they can’t be the elements of harmony without her. And even if Celestia began to search for another student to take the path like Twilight, she knows nopony could surpass what Twilight had already done. And since it didn’t take much for ponies to turn onto each other, this caused the great divide among the tribes and friendship had failed. The rest of the Mane 6 couldn’t live forever, so they did what they could even if it was to the smallest degree. Perhaps the idea that alicorns don’t actually live with immortality and they eventually die like other ponies, perhaps Celestia and Luna were able to transfer their Alicorn magic into the three crystals one for Earth Ponies, Unicorns and Pegasi magic and sacrificing what little magic they could save. And in hope that somepony could bring back the power of friendship.

This is actually a really creepy idea. The sudden and inexplicable disappearance of an Equestrian princess would plunge the nation into shock and anguish, leaving it open to whatever dark threats lurk beyond their borders.

You refer to the eight shown, but it’s possible that there were many not seen on screen.

Also: What happened to the Twilight and Starlight that are already in the new alternative main timeline in this theory?

If this theory is true than wouldn't it mean that the sawtooth in that time line would've also been trapped in prison like the other sawtooth in the changeling timeline

Personally I do think that they returned to their original timeline because they had to come up with a spell to fix the map after starlight messed with it, so if they left one timeline and came back in another where they never left in the first place then they wouldn’t need to fix anything. Also there would’ve been a twilight, starlight, and spike of the new timeline that they would have run into.

There’s technically 16 timelines if we’re counting Equestria girls as a separate timeline right?
Also did that change anything in that world, since they had not clue about magic at all right?

if it's another timeline, then there'd be 2 starlights, 2 twilights and 2 spikes. Since that isn't the case and everyone remembers their interpersonal relationships with those respective characters, clearly the timeline didn't branch off.

I never thought about it like that...

oh my god...

that timeline's doomed...

Should the Twilight really left oryginal timeline all others we saw in special would been achievable, which creates a paradox which makes this theory correct

My question is, what were the main 6 and other ponies in equestria doing? How did they switch to different timelines? Were the original ones just left behind? Did twilight never come back to equestria in the other timeline?


Good video though :)

I definitely agree that there is a multiverse and that there is an lost world too because every time twilight and spike came back to the time of the rainboom they never ran into themselves like in other tv shows. So, and at the time twilight convinced starlight to let the rainboom happen there was still no sign of them there before. So, every time they started a new timeline without even realizing it.

This systematically made and ruined my day. The despair hit me like a wrecking ball

Plot twist : the wasteland timeline is the original timeline in the future only so I personally think there only 8 timelines but the theory of the 9th timeline could be truth and you make such great content sawtooth and go so deep in mlp I mean a thought of a 9th timeline gives me chills very great theory 👍

This is just a fun observation that I wanted to share. During the award ceremony in Rainbow Falls, look at the cloudstale team. Half way through, they lose their medals.

there's also the possibility that starlight did. kinda a reverse travel which made them travel back to where they started at the original. but that would also mean it could start a boot strap paradox. just time travel is mean

Wait, what if the abandoned timeline is the new generations timeline? After they disappeared, cozy glow ended up getting rid of magic, and due to her being a pegasus, all three tribes separated in fear of them uprising again. Causing a divide between the three? But Sunny's dad had found twilights journal that was left behind by the main 5 after they had given up hope and disappeared as well. He reinstilled the old ways in his daughter the way twilight had written about how she was taught through celestia. It sounds plausable!

It's interesting I kind of thought there was another way of this instead of the timeline continuing I thought because they left the timeline stopped it halted because if they went back into time at that exact point they wouldn't have been able to go back so if the timeline depended on them for the future because even a small little insignificant bug disappearing from a timeline could change everything a butterfly effect would it not have halted it cuz that's what I've always thought I figured that they didn't go to the same timeline I figured that that timeline just didn't exist it stopped it halted it pause the entire universe of it that's how I've always seen it but I don't know I could be wrong I'm probably wrong but I don't know

The same thing happened for the flash where he time traveled into the past to stop his mother from being killed but he had to fix it so he did and allowed the killer to kill his mom so when he came back to the present things were not the same it was a different timeline

I love your videos about MLP!

Wait, what if you're right, and the original timeline ended up being the one of the new generation. That would explain why nobody remenbers anything about Twilight's legacy.

I love how the Nameless one by now got annoyed at all the endless questions xD
Sawtooth's questions are infinite

Sawtooth please read this: Its an idea but I think that what happened in "The Forgotten world" would have been a war between the villians, their territory, and the ponies the ruled over.

I mean yah. We could do without Starlight for the most part but Twi is the only ruler that actually puts in maximum effort.

Unfortunately i think that there really is no going back because Starlight would not have reformed down the first timeline. This all causes the changes mentioned and possibly much more. It is kinda chilling to think about, BUT it’s still possible similar events could have taken place and saved everyone. That timeline might be fine. Who knows, maybe Starlight was there in the first timeline after all and everyone is still in timeline number one. The possibilities are endless.

I was thinking maybe it's possible that when the three of them came back to Twilight's castle, they ended up back in their original timeline. BUT, the 1st and 9th timeline versions of themselves were swapped, meaning that reformed Starlight is in the original world but evil Starlight is in the 9th timeline (since Starlight was bad until she reformed while in between timelines, not necessarily just in the 1st or 9th one). But if that were true, then wouldn't Starlight try the same thing again but as the 9th timeline version of her since nothing would have changed? Then 9th timeline and 10th timeline Starlight would switch, so there'd now be a good Starlight in the 9th timeline but that same bad one in the 10th. So like, a never-ending cycle that can eventually destroy the universe? Lmao

If they didn't change anything, they're just hanging out in the background while the events as we know them unravel. It's more likely it's a merge.

This might also explain the Comics!

In the Comics, Starswirl the Bearded defeated the Sirens a different way, by using music of his own in a band competition of some sort, and in another comic Sombra was reformed and was no longer a smokey figure thing....

that was all in the other timeline that we saw in Seasons 1-5, and in the end when the timeline was reset, But with you saying that 'With Starlight, Spike and Twilight just BEING there during the rainboom' is a small change might be wrong.

This small change might have fixed the timeline, but not everything. in this new timeline, Starswirl defeated the Sirens with the Pillars instead of performing in a band competition thing, and Sombra was never reformed...

in the comics, robots destroy equestria after the bearers are all dead. maybe the original timeline was destroyed by those robots, and the one twilight went to won't have that apocalypse. we've seen technology improving massively in g5 due to a lack of magic, so it makes sense.

This is good and all. And I like the effor in the video but those two would’ve still existed in the change. So while they disappeared in that portion of time when Starlight takes them back in time they would return to that space as they haven’t actually altered anything by just being there. “You can’t really squash a butterfly if your not moving” kinda deal. Also not interacting with anyone in the past basically closes all the alternate timelines too. Because at that point whenever they went back it closed the previous one. Realistically it would always be the nightmare moon one because they wouldn’t be able to stop it regardless. But yes when they travel back to their timeline it closes the other alternates, and while just having three ponies would look like it would affect something. All the alternate timelines we see are a result of interacting. Even when Twilight goes back in time to talk to herself everything plays out as it should. Because she interacted. And while that last time travel did happen they didn’t interact and so the timeline hasn’t changed meaning that if we go by the multiverse theories then they would be in the original timeline regardless because if it continuously splits regardless of actions you can only ever return to your original timeline.

I hope this made a modicum of sense.

I believe there are 2 different timelines BECAUSE the thing that is different is that Rainbow Dash, the bullies she was racing, and everypony that was watching has the memory of seeing Twilight, Spike, and Starlight. This probably resulted in confusion as Twilight is an Alicorn. There were only 3 Alicorn princesses at the time because I think we can assume that Cadence obtained her wings during or, most likely before, she started babysitting for Twilight. I'm just going to point out that Twilight didn't get her cutie mark yet during when Cadence was her babysitter because I think Twilight would NOT say, "I'm just a regular old unicorn," (in the flash backs in the wedding arc at the end of season 2) IF she found out she was going to test to enroll in Celestia's School of Magic. Back to my original point, Seeing Twilight as a fourth Alicorn would confuse and possibly alarm the ponies that witnessed the race. It's not hard to imagine the ponies reporting sights of another Alicorn after that to the Princesses at the time. Fast forward to the last episode of season 3, there is a EXTREMELY high chance Celestia would know that Twilight was guaranteed her wings. Instead of saying "You've proven you're ready," Celestia would say something similar to I've been waiting for this moment since you've become my pupil. Twilight's friends would be surprised to learn that the purple pony they heard that's the 4th princess rumors about was Twilight. They would also have different reactions including recalling the rumors they heard. All this is only some proof that they are in another timeline. (The Twilight in said alternate timeline should be there but never appeared #unsolvedplothole) But hey, that's just a theory, A FiLm ThEoRy.

huh....this depressing timeline of twilight, Spike, And Starlight never returning and all the horrible things to the forgotten timeline could make a pretty good Creepypasta...Sadfic/Darkfic

What if time travel works both ways when you go to the past or the future the timeline has a 50% percent chance of making a new timeline same like the original or it has a 50% of going back to the original timeline, i hope this makes sense.

If I remember correctly, in Equestria Girls, Sunset attempted to destroy the portal to Equestria. But Twilight Saif that Equestria would find a way to survive without the magic element. Just pointing it out

Maybe they were always there

Maybe somehow a new Twilight appeared, and the world kept going! Or… Twilight was clever enough to realize, so she went back but we didn’t see that episode!

Sawtooth you're amazing man! I mean I could have never seen MLP so deeply and with such a unique perspective! I mean hats off to you man! You're legit amazing!!

Time tends to fix itself. I believe it was merged back. Or that it was always like that.

My main problem with this idea is is that it relies on "Multiverse Theory" over "Timeline Theory". Basically, what this video is suggesting is that we see 9 different *universes*, the original universe is left behind and we continue onto other universes. However, Timeline Theory would mean that they are changing the history of one universe and not visiting multiple. I think Timeline Theory applies here since Twilight and Spike always return to the same time of day, they even mention it when they visit the timeline where Nightmare Moon reigns, Spike says something along the lines of "shouldn't it be daytime?" Could be minor and not an actual point, but why not? Plus, Multiverse Theory has a harder time holding up against Timeline Theory since we have the Mirror portals, which take us to alternate universes. I'm pretty sure that the spell only affected their universe, and therefore falls under Timeline Theory, which means that the timelines we saw didn't come to fruition (in this universe, obviously they could have in an alternate universe). This kinda specualtion, while nice to talk about, isn't something that really should be talked about frequently, since there's no real way to prove either argument since it all comes down to speculation.

I have a theory about this
(Firstly english isnt my main language so im really sorry if i made any mistakes or couldnt explain it properly)
I think when you time travel, there's no such thing as multiple timelines existing like that because the past has only been altered. You only changed the past and that resulted in it being different, the timeline mustve gotten destroyed since the reason it exists was changed. You couldn't have created a different timeline that still exits. But if you add the multiverse theory, then there is a chance that those timelines still existed and them changing the past didnt actualy change it, it only put them to a different universe where those things happened. Then that would mean that the time travel spell wasn't exactly a time travel, it would be a spell where it puts you to different universes depending on your actions.

So 8.5 timelines, because they travel to multiple futures of what happen when the rainboom is stopped, but then to the part where one is formed you were definitely correct to the part where the two peices of the timelines merge into one because there was no interference with younger rainbowdash and the rainboom.

Who else clicked like without watching the video?

Because we all know all of your videos are amazing 💕

Ya know what would be fun, if the original Universe is where the new generation is in!

Okay, so, while this series completely derails what I would like to say, I do tell myself, that it is just a kid's show.
I tend to go with the Grandfather Paradox. But that's just me.

I think that the timelines actually do end up merging. In the episode where they visit the multiverses, something caught my eye. Applejack said “what is SHE doing here?” Showing that she knew Starlight was a meany. How could she have known that if she didn’t go on the lost cutie mark adventure and meet starlight, if twilight, Starlight, and Spike never returned to the original world with the real Applejack who Twilight went on the adventure with?

I know I'm late to the party, but I think you're both over and under thinking this issue. The first thing you have to understand is HOW time travel magic works in Equestria. We know that normally, if you go into the past, your actions in the future will be preordained, and you will end up there before you even intended to go there, as shown with Twilight's own time travel adventures.

This suggests that Equestria has one fluid time line, and no branching multiverse. The issue comes with Starlight, and her Hax Mode ability to just break that established rule. When she goes into the past, she isn't creating a new timeline, she's legit rewriting history, using the Cutie Map as a anchor point to get back with, because for some reason it is a powerful enough artifact to survive a full rewrite of history, since it existed in timelines that it had no reason to be in.

So while the final timeline might have been changed in slight ways, it's still Twilight's first timeline, cause there is only the one timeline. Odds are that Twilight and Startlight's presence alone there really didn't mean anything, and they were like pebbles in the flow of time, not being big enough obstructions to actually make a difference, so long as they didn't interfere, or... just like with Twilight's original excursion in time travel, this was actually always happened, and it was just going through the motions, and RD and Fluttershy just didn't remember Twilight and Starlight being there cause they were so young. Regardless, it really seems like there is only one timeline, and all the other histories would be erased completely with each venture into the past.

What if the Abandoned Timeline was the complete destroyed empty timeline with no villain as I think sunburst would have come to ponyville because the crystal empire would be the ice age

Perhaps in the wake of the changling invasion, cozy glow would end up liberating pony kind from the changlings. in so doing instigating herself as either the ruler of equestria or celectia's next protégé destined to take her and luna's place. either way, it would be the cozy glow bad end timeline.

I know its off-topic but I wanted to share my thoughts. 4:00
I don't believe Cozy Glow wouldve befriended tirek, while the manipulating foal she is, she still is a FOAL. Without the school of friendship Cozy would not have learned of tirek, maybe she would have on her own but there's no evidence to support/deny it. I don't believe tirek would have known Cozy without the school. They only met because of the whole magic crisis so she would have no reason to turn to him. Perhaps she turned to more "local" villains such as Chrysalis, being that she isn't in Tartarus.

I know this is almost a year old
But may I propose a theory
What if the original Sonic Rainboom actually had Twilight, Spike, and Starlight as spectators?
I mean it is definitely possible. Children are Sometimes not very observant when they are focused of things and they were out of the way of the race

Thank god you said the timelines could have merged I was about to start crying

I've never before thought about timeline branches merging. Assuming the theory that every event preceeds the formation of a new branch, I can imagine a branch where Twilight and Spike never returned from that extra-dimensional escapade. Fortunately, the branch they would have finally landed at retains the history they're used to. Some version of Twilight and Spike had left there, and some version of them returned.

It's even possible that some version of Twilight and Spike returned to that original branch. There may be some version of events where they never returned, but who's to say that that version is the original branch?

Wait, so how was the timeline where starlight, spike and twilight traveled to like? Because if they traveled from the abandoned one to the other one, they must’ve met themselves or something. If they didn’t, that means that all the events that occurred after starlight, spike and twilight, must’ve been different too. Like the abandoned timeline. If you don’t get it, I’m saying, what happened to the starlight, spike and twilight in the timeline they’re currently in after the abandoned timeline versions of them traveled to it? The past events before their time travel must’ve occurred differently, otherwise they would see themselves like twilight saw her friends in other timelines. My theory is that the three of them switched places.

it sure can be an abandoned world, 'cause no matter what, if you change a single thing, even move a cloud it can have several changes, and the fact of that twilight, starlight and spike being there may not affect directly to the rainboom or the mane 6, but do to other ponies, even if there's a minimal change, it can affect
everyone

And there’s a big chance you accidentally change something,like what happened in back to future;the main guy(Marty) accidentally got to the past when his parents were just friends,but when he got home agian everything was different,and was basically a whole new person

Twilight, Spike and Starlight may have returned to the same timeline because anything that happens in the past at that time must have also happened in the original timeline.

I love how this man tries to understand how time travel functions. At the end of the day, it is all confusing, and I have to comend his efforts.

I have three things to say about this… first… if starlight is never seen again, that’s not the only problem… not only equestria would see it’s fate, but the human world would also be taken over… juniper would capture the main seven in the mirror- and they would be lost forever… with no starlight to befriend her… she would take over…. Also the storm kings magic would consume the human world… so there goes that timeline…
ONE THE OTHER HAND- they would have evidence- correct me if I’m wrong… but didn’t the map come with them when they traveled through time? The main 6 would notice the map was gone! Also… There would definitely be some point when the princesses noticed the time travel spell was gone! With that information… the main 6… or 5 in this case… COULD figure it out…. Who would ever do this? Have any enemies escaped? Were there any missing and vengeful ponies? Who is powerful enough to pull this spell off? Maybe someone powerful enough to remove your own destiny with magic… someone who escaped with a vengeful attitude… someone like starlight… She would definitely be powerful enough to tamper with a spell like that…
ON THE OTHER HAND… there is a problem with this theory… the change wouldn’t matter because these are all new timelines with them being there… let me explain… the difference in history is big… but the problem is that twilight, spike, and starlight already existed in this timeline… so if they did change timelines with this one there would be two spikes twilights and starlights… and that wouldn’t work… so that means that they did return to the original timeline… because being there simply ADDED new timelines-

it can't work that way though.

the way you're depicting it, each timeline is separate, they don't overwrite each other, and therefore the original one wouldn't be affected by the messing with time, only by the absence of twilight.

HOWEVER, starlight is supposed to be very good at magic. it would just be out of character for her to not understand what she was doing.

and you could be thinking that by dragging twilight out of the og timeline into a new one she is destroying that one's future. but that would leave room for error.

if spike hadn't touched the spell, the og timeline would be fine with only starlight missing (ofc this would result in the changeling take-over, but I'm ignoring that because that played no part in Starlights decision making here). and starlight isn't dumb, she would know that she had just one shot at getting them to follow her.

no, I think that she made the timeline overwrite itself. that would mean that regardless of if they followed or not, starlight could get her way.

idk though, i'm probably looking to deep into this

You know this theory makes a lot of sense… there’s three different methods time works and both of them are options

That always happened , the future star would always try and prevent the Sonic rainboom so they did go back to the og timeline and the reason we don't see starlight or twi is cause the og scene was focused on rainbow , not the things that happened when she wasn't around

If they really came back in a different time line then why did the new one looks exactly the same?🧐

Fun theory, maybe with twilight and spike gone, friendships slowly fade and lead to the time of G5 with how the three tribes have a dislike with one another assuming G5 is a continuation of G4

here's a new theory for you all, what if the MLP new generation movie time line takes place in the original abandoned time line in the mlp? it would explain quite alot technically thinking about it to the new generation movie story of events

I think I may know what it might look like.
Go back to twilight s words
"Or rather the present."
What if that last time-line was the cause of not having twilight.
The elements can't work anyway , if she's gone.

Your videos always creep me out, I love it!!!!

I would say you are right because of the Uncertanty Principle, the mere fact that they were there observing the Rainboom happen is a change to the timeline, so another alternate timeline is born, the problem is, where and when are the trio of that timeline? maybe while they had their own "Cutie-Remark" adventure they ended on some other alternate timeline.

Now excuse me while I go to write a grimdark fanfic about this idea.

There are different views on how time travel would work, mine is where if someone time traveled and changed something then there would be no different time lines but everyone would be affected

Here’s a theory that goes with this. This is how gen 5 came to be.
The Crystal Empire is not shown in the map while the father is working on Sunny’s new thing, this is because winter swallowed it up. All Crystal ponies died, and it became an unexplored area, and nobody decided to see it. Meanwhile the magic being gone was because of Cozy. The main cast who stopped her, weren’t together. No school of friendship meant that all the other creatures would just move on.
Her father had his ancestor’s knowledge of Twilight pass down onto him. Where he taught Sunny about her as well. Though, he never went into the darkness. The main six died of age. What about the vampire Chrysalis? She dies, and she might have motivated the tribes to disconnect.
Luna and Cylestia are not immortal. Cyl could have never found a pony, and when she did, never got to finish training them. The new generation is this abandoned time line!

Do you think so?

I feel like Sawtooth has been doing a lot of time travel videos...

Theory: Sawtooth Waves is a real time-traveller in real life. They’re trying to add secret symbolism in their videos, and keep an eye out everyone for said symbolism.

Wait, doesn’t this disprove a theory you made a while ago? In the video where you “solved Pinkie Pie” you said that the reason why she has all her weird magic abilities is because when she absorbed Discord’s chaos magic from Grogar’s Bell, all that magic spread out over her whole life. But in this video you basically say that the timeline where that happened isn’t the timeline where we met Pinkie Pie. While I suppose it’s possible it could still of happened in the original time line, it’s unlikely. Chrysalis could’ve very well succeeded in her uprising without Starlight to stand in her way. Even if that didn’t work, you said yourself it’s likely Cozy Glow would still make her grab for power, she probably would’ve succeeded without the Student Six-who only met because of Twilight’s School- to stop her. If either of these villain’s plans had worked, it’s likely Tirek, Cozy Glow, and Chrysalis never would’ve came together. Which means Pinkie Pie likely wouldn’t have been there to absorb Discord’s chaos magic from the bell. So, if that never actually happened in the original timeline, and Pinkie Pie still has her weird physics defying powers, either this theory proves that one false or that theory proves this one false.

I think that Twilight didn't even need to follow Starlight to the past. That is because as soon as Starlight travelled to the past the present should change right away because past is long time away from the present but it hasn't changed. So it looked like Starlight has changed just and only a different timeline without any way comming back to the original one and forever living in the changed one. (Of course only if travelling to the original one was impossible)

I totally agree with you about the different timeline thing, but the theory sounds far-fetched and very, very, very depressing.

isnt it canon though that celestia can solve literally every problem, and just doesnt

Someone quickly make a fanfic out of this theory

I HAVE AN IDEA. What if, after they left the timeline turned into that mlp show (of which the name escapes me atm), where they just goof off carelessly? Like the first timeline recognized something important was missing (Twilight) and replaced it, somehow leading to the careless ponies we see in the show?

My thought [even though I don’t really want to talk about time traveling and stuff]:


•My thought is that, what if there was really no “Abandoned” sort of timeline? Maybe that “abandoned” timeline could be of a different story. [idk if you mentioned this part in the vid]. I think that ; ever since Twilight, Spike and Starlight left there own timeline and went into the other timeline. The story might’ve like changed or somethin’. But when they came back, they were probably in a completely different story. And then they just left it there. So, like you probably said but in MY own words, that other timeline could be abandoned. Just not completely in my POV•

My theory is that...
When twilight became the ruler in the alternate time line... few days later
The REAL twilight of alternate universe returns. At first they think that they changelings but, later Starlight realises all this time...they were in a alternate time line. They would a lot of research and then they destroy the multiverse and SET THINGS RIGHT in the original time line

So, without Twilight's element of harmony the other mane 5 can't use their respected element of harmony, thus, they won't have their means of defense

Ah, but the thing is, if the new identical timeline was created WHEN starlight cast the spell, then the original timeline would remain the same, and the time travel would happen in the new timeline. So all of this NEVER happens to the original timeline, or any timeline for that matter. It's like this, if all this had happened, we would have seen the twilight from the new timeline. Also, I have a question, what if spike never even touched the spell parchment?

I think they would've merged. Since nothing was changed, and no one knowingly noticed the two, I think the timelines would have merged.

Here's My Theory: The Original Time line is the one that looked like a Waste land

I think that because they left that timeline, that timeline died and then when it did the worlds got unbalanced so marched the lines to balance it again, in order to do so I think it would’ve meant either the original or new timeline ponies had to vanish from existence, because twilight is in the wrong timeline it could’ve got rid of new main 6 but got rid of old ponies in the background, as they never actually had any real connections with Twilight that travelled to the other timeline. I’m not a genius though so…

What if that first abandoned timeline is where the new generation is playing, it would then make sense why Twilight Disappeared

Am I the only one who thinks that Sawtooth has the best narrator/storyteller voice? It’s perfect!

But wait! The "original timeline" you're talking about probably isn't the real original timeline. Because you made a video explaining the loop where Twilight got a visit from her future self and panicked about a desaster that never happened. If that theory is correct, then the timeline where something did go wrong that day would be the original timeline, wouldn't it?

Wouldn't they have swapped timelines with another trio? Otherwise there would be double ups in the new timeline.

Actually the timelines would re emerge since the events have been put back on course the timeline would continue down the path it would have initially gone to on it as if the time travel never happened.

Hey, wait, remember that principal cinch?
From the battle of the bands? Leaving cadence as the vice principal, could cinch be the first princess before cadence?

If no one adopted the previous timeline, temporal scavengers would attack. There would be a version of Discord there who might adopt it.

Time is like a flower it can grow in many ways but what if twilight and Spike and starlight were already at the original time like making it a loop another thing is time works differently in every world meaning it has an infinite amount of ways to work so time is one of the most confusing things to talk about as it has so many different ways to work and it has many things to consider as well

"Can you make an episode about what limbo looks like? Do you just disappear into outer space? Do you go into a specific universe? Or something else?"

-my five year old who loves your channel

I’m not sure that this theory would make sense. Their presence would change something but another alternate universe would be created, like how starlight made them. And even if what you said was the case, they could just go back to the place that they used to be couldn’t they? Because like I said, their presence would make an alternate universe

Every other Friday I get so excited for Sawtooth's vids ❤️

Sawtooth waves: this timeline is even creepier than everything else. Me: This is the most saddest timeline ever!!!!

Wouldn't fixing the timeline bring you back to the moment before you started messing with it first?

They returned to the worpd where Twilight, Spike, Starlight left, so them of new dimension returned to another dimension and it's Twilight,Starlight,Spike left eather and etc.
If we think that our main timeline is the first to start this chain of movements between realities, than main timeline is abandoned, in other case another Twilight,Starlight,Spike just came there.

Do you think that since the world had its way of going it would’ve just replaced the answers with solutions like
The main six had been the answer to solving most of the issues but if some are gone wouldn’t they had just been replaced
Or would’ve the world had took a different turn into chaos
If the world had lost an answer to a problem wouldn’t it had just been replaced with a solution so that the world could live on with its timeline
Wouldn’t this just had been a bump in many like it
Would all this happend the same like when sunset took out her other self so she could live in the human world?
Or would it have just been a bump for the timeline and no one notice

im just going to pretend that I never saw this video because it makes me depressed inside- great theories though!! they really make you think deeper into what actually happened-

Here's a thought, what if the Sonic Rainboom isn't just a magical sonic boom? What if the power of the rainboom is caused by a spark of friendship? Sure, we know it has to be done by a strong and fast flyer, but no one had ever seen one until Rainbow Dash, the bearer of the Element of Loyalty, an element of friendship. That rainboom connected the mane six through their cutie marks, but what if it goes deeper? What if the rainboom was a direct result of their friendship? Twilight is the Princess of friendship, and her friends are what helped her to become who she was, and friendship is the most powerful magic there is, so what if Twilight getting through to Starlight was the last spark of magic needed to cause a sonic rainboom?

(I admit, there are some flaws but it's just something to think about)

I think they stayed in the same one because starlight just recently became friend with the mane 6, there was no history about it because it was a new thing. There wouldn’t be any other history ! There probably wouldn’t be another timeline about it

Just say,"Because, magic". Otherwise, you are going to have 2 sets of time travelers in one world, and none in the other.

Wow I've ALWAYS thought about this kind of thing happening, not just in MLP but in other time travel stories too, and I never saw anyone talk about it, thanks.

But what if those three were always in the original timeline, just behind or above our vision of it? It could also be that they are not shown, as neither Flutters nor Dash remembered them.

@Sawtooth Waves, This is an interesting theory for the show and I would like to know what happens to the original timeline if it did change like what you said. But this is Hasbos we talking about and they make children's shows. So don't think too hard on time travel and the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff from Doctor Who. It may a core in Doctor Who which they themselves a family show. But I do like your prosrop on this show.

Cozy glow may have not tried her scheme because according to her when the main 6 came back according to Cozy glow she said that (you taught me that friendship is power)is they taught her that but the school of friendship had encouraged her to do it so she may have not tried her scheme

That explains the major changes in MLP: FiM.

I'm glad that new theories and content is still showing up just as it was before the ending of the series. <3
Watching these videos fills with nostalgia

I think the timelines would still be different as probably someone would have definitely spotted a ALICORN with a DRAGON near that place were kid-pegases were flying in case any of them were injured somehow.

"I hate temporal mechanics!"
That is all

Don't you think that Twilight, Starlight and Spyke could from new timeline go to old timeline and oppositively.

Well I think there are 2 ways to time travel:
1. Time Travel: Where you go to a different timeline and cause a change/glitch and it ends up different from what it was originally supposed to be.

2. Time....Travel: Where you go to a timeline, but you going to that timeline was supposed to happen all along, and you didn't change a thing the events of the timeline are just happening.

(Either of these could've happened to them, I think number 2)

Breaking news Sawtooth has now posted so let’s start watching

i think they either merged back, or chrysalis took over, and banished all the alicorns but Flurryheart, without the knowledge she was one. with one remaining alicorn, Flurryheart used a spell to hide her wings and live among the unicorns. once old enough, she let down the spell and took on chrysalis, taking back the throne and restoring Equestria.

The timeline our twilight abandoned, I will label as AT, and the one we returned to will be RT.
Possibly the Twilight, Spike, and Starlight from RT also went on a time travel escapade to prevent something that was important to the plot, and somehow balanced out the 3 extra spectators of the Rainboom. Maybe they had gone back on themselves to prevent them from going to the rainboom or something, I don't know. And now the RT Twi, spike and starlight are in AT and vise-versa. And now each timeline has a Twilight, Starlight and Spike.

I love this idea but that would suggest that in the new timeline, those 3 died somehow right? Unless the same events happened since everything was identical and those 3 version 2 went to the timeline they left behind.

My head hurt

I like the time loop theory, where they can't back because they were originally there because changing time loops, like your video on the time paradox

News just in: princess twilight and her dragon friend Spike has recently disappeared out of thin air we are looking for them, but we have not found them yet. There are rumors that she has been kidnapped by someone we are looking for them but it might take a while and so far there has been no suspects.

Hmmm... could Discord find Twilight, Spike and Starlight in the alternate timeline and bring them back to the original?

For all we know, the original race with the Rainboom DID have Starlight, Twilight & Spike nearby! The flashback didn't show them, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. [oof, multi-negative grammar AND time traval!]
Besides, the flashback showed an earth pony filly watching from a cloud, so it may have had other errors too!

Alright i have a crack theory.
Remember when Twilight, Starlight, and Spike got teleported to that one timeline where there's literally nothing there? What if they got teleported to the FUTURE of the original timeline where the three of them gone for who knows how long?

Since her protege was no longer in Equestria, I think Princess Celestia and her sister would decide to go back to being Equestria's protectors. Twilight was no longer around to need experience being a princess, so there would no longer be any reason for them to take a back seat during emergencies. Same with Discord. By this time he was truly reformed due to his betrayal by Tirek, and he might decide to help defend Equestria, mainly because that's where Fluttershy lives and there's no way he'd let her come to harm.

This gave me chills…….😥

I mean it's possible that Starlight, Twilight and Spike were always there, kind of like Prisoner of Azkaban movie style.

I don't think there will be a change or dissapearance. I think Rainbowdash will just have a faint memory of seeing them while flying or smt. In mpl timetravel creates alternate timelines. But I always thought they could be removed by fixing the presence. But we don't know fore sure-

Maybe Twilight, Starlight and Spike were there along. Maybe that whole time travel thing was supposed to happen.

Well, I suppose both are possibilities. Although a sure-fire way to make sure none of them happen is to remember when you came up with the idea, go back in time and convince your past self not to do it in the first place. And, I just created a paradox, didn't I?

Eh, in any time travel story like this, assume Hypertime is at play...by that I mean basically just sit back and enjoy the ride, and don't think about it too hard.

I do have something i wana add to this theory. Pinky pie, rarity, rainbow dash, apple jack and flutter shy seem to all have some mixed up memories and or remember moments of those alternate tome lines. What i mean is when starlight, spike and twilight went to the past and starlight started changing it by stopping the rainboom the rest of the main six (from the og timeline) seemed to have also been effected. Think of it this way. When u walk on a sandy beach u leave foot prints behind u correct? Now think of those foot prints and scenes from all the individual time lines. Well the rest of the main six have a few of those foot prints (scenes) implanted in their memories now, so it seems like starlight changing the past and effect the main 6’s friendship she dragged the main 6 to this new time line (the one that is almost exactly the same as the og) with her. Reason why is because the main 6 not coming together by the rainboom it start a ripple of changes but the biggest change is on the main 6. We saw Twilight go with Starlight to the past and saw her go to al the alternative time lines but problem is, Twilight wasnt the only one effected by the rainboom being stopped, the rest of the main 6 have, so they were dragged to the new time line with them since they have memories of this change. Idk if i explained this properly but i tried my best. My proof on this theory is that the rest of the main 6 burst into the room after Starlight, Spike and Twilight returned questioning what happened giving us a sign that they might have been influenced and dragged to this timeline with them. Which means this abandoned time line doesnt just have a missing Twilight but the whole main 6 missing all together, causing lots of chaos since the main 6 can only use the elements to stop the villains but if all the main 6is gone, there’s legit 0 hope for equestria in that time line.

Or the TVA showed up to fire off one of their reset bombs to wipe out that alternate timeline to prevent a nexus event.

Wait wrong show...

OR IS IT!? Dun dun duuuuuuun

Doesn't the show imply they just overright their timeline, not create entirely new timelines that exist independently?

From what we know pre-release; could that forgotten timeline have enough of a foundation to the the home of Gen 5? Mentions of the Mane 6 but no mention of "Queen" Twilight, somehow no magic like Cozy Glow was successful, a divided Pony nation but no windigo... interesting enough or should we wait until the movie comes out in a few months?

IMO, if the alternate timelines exist, then yes that's what happened. But I rather believe that the time travel cancels the timeline pure and simple. At the moment Starlight started to influence the past, their present didn't exist anymore.

I gueeeeess if I was wrong, then everytime Starlight came back to that moment, she'd see her previous attempt, we'd have several Starlight, Twilight and Spike simultaneously in the same place, fighting. After 3 I guess Twilight should have given up because so much chaos would have distracted all the foals and canceled the rainboom anyway.

Congrats for coming out saw :)

Maybe the spell for the magic was meant to put you back to the timeline you used it

Maybe the other timeline would heal itself. What I mean is it would carry on as if starlight had never cast the spell but had instead been stopped by twilight.

If its possible for loops to circle back on themselves, wouldn't this start one of those situations? They show up, change nothing, the cycle for them to show up happens again, and so on.

If this is true there’s one thing that you missed starlight was in the orb and Academy would be pretty much down and cozy might not have a place in the school but also the artifacts were never discovered

Who said that they travel to a different universe, after all,the spell is casted relatably to the map(tree of harmony),even if they were casting a spell which brought them back to a different timeline, wouldn't the map have tried to pull them to the correct timeline

But, in this case what happen to the twilight, spike and starlight from the new timeline? We didn't see them. If the original trio came to the new timeline, they would probably meet them.

This timeline might have turned into the generation 8 somehow, and that's why all the ponies are separated now

What if..The abandoned one is the new generation and twilight is still living in the other universe and she made the artifacts because she figured that she might be in a different timeline and she tried to make contact with the original world and still tries today?

But don’t a Twilight and Starlight already exist in the other timeline ? They can’t just vanish into thin air.

I think you’re right but sometime in the future they merge back together!

pretty sure time traveling cant lead you to "another world" but i get what you mean, and if that was to be true then could it be that in g5 of mlp (how the magic of friendship disappears) could be because of this? like they just left the world and no one knew where they went

OMG if the 'forgotten timetime' actually existed then would it be the future Generation 5 of my little pony

If I've learned anything from Loki then what if we were to assume that the rainboom is an apocalyptic timeline where anything that happens during that time is meaningless since the rainboom would still continue on even with twilight, starlight and spyke being there. The rainboom is so impactful that it doesn't matter who is there since it would happen anyways even if there was a random dog in Vanhoover walking down the alleyway (just an example) so I think that the timeline either merged or stayed together when starlight gave up

Since when we started from funny colorful ponies to tragic and depressing alternative timelines

Theory on top of this theory: 1st timeline is how MLP: a new generation happened.

Personally the only reason I disagree with this is because if it were true, the versions of Twilight, Spike and Starlight from the new timeline would surely be there

THANK YOU!!!!!! ever since the episode i've been thinking about this!

Twilight is gone from the original timeline, vanished into thin air. Nobody knows what happened to her and spike, they just seem as if they simply stopped existing.

Her friends would fall into a depression, they would search for her to no avail. Maybe celestia could figure out there are magical remnants in the air in the table room, but she would have no idea what happened. Did a spell go wrong? Did she teleport somewhere? Is she dead?

Equestria would fall into a panic without the sixth element, without their new princess. Perhaps even falling into hatred as their precious friendship princess abandoned her friends. Equestria would fall into a world of anger and hatred, maybe even the main six would start to blame Twilight. Maybe they won't see the point in their friendship anymore.

The two sisters would be helpless in watching this all happen, and perhaps they may be overthrown. The world will turn back to the pre-pillar ways, but this time, everyone will thrive enough to leave the world a bloody mess by their own hooves.

Now that's weird because if this is StarSwirl's secret then he's used it before but he still lives on the same timeline!

Wouldn't there be a new timeline everytime Twilight and/or Starlight entered one? For example, when they went to see Starlight's past with sunburst ...
Wait no-
When Twilight entered the changeling timeline, does that make two timelines in which she isn't there and one in which she appears? That would mean every timeline exists twice or even more times, hmm.. or am I just overthinking again?

i pointed this theory out to my friend about endgame, because tony, scott and cap where in 2012 when loki first attacked earth and cap fought himself and such, they DID NOT return to the timeline that they knew, but a different timeline.
similar to the one that you pointed out in your video

Probably when the scroll was almost fully ripped apart and when the circle came the circle took them to the place where Starlight made the very first circle.

Perhaps in that abandoned timeline, a part of the elements of harmony chose other new carriers, or another species apart from the ponies managed to unite with the elements as seen with the young 6 or as seen in the comics of season 10 with the zebras

I’m choosing to pretend this theory can’t be true 😍

I don't really think that this would be the case. If they returned to the other timeline wouldn't there be the second Twilight from that timeline. If not then the second Twilight could return to the abandoned timeline and everything would work out the same. Btw here's a little side note: there is infinite number of timelines and alternative universes so I think that this, the video and every other theory is correct because everything had happened already.

What is when starlight didn't become friends with Twillight and Spike. It goes on and on and on. Because of that the forgotten world is possible and make sense, because Twillight, Spike and Starlight are 'catched' between all timelines

I love you ideas sawtooth and I can't wait for what you are going to upload next

Hey Sawtooth. How’s this for a mlp theory? In the last book of the Bible, Revelation, there’s a mention of locusts that resemble horses & have other features. Is there any link between them and Changelings? I know it’s more likely a coincidence but you never know…

OMG! i got shivers thinking about whats happend in that world,such a great vid! keep up the good work and let me try something, Sawtooth Waves Sawtooth Waves Sawtooth Waves

I think the group have always been there and Celestia notice so she makes Twilight her special student
Because if they return to a different timeline, where would the Starlight, Spike and Twilight of that timeline be

I think twighlight ,s friends well definitely look for twighlight but quit after they looked all over Equestria from Chloe Whittle P.S I love your show!

Frankly, I hope your wrong. Childhood, crushed. 😂

I always thought that twilight and starlights presence at the rainboom became a given the way future twilight kept visiting present twilight in season 2, we just didnt see it at the first mentions of the rainboom just because

You know the movie? Maybe that’s what happened after the time line was abandoned. Cause then everyone would fall apart and the species wouldn’t have come together

Remember, the 6th element appears when the other 5 are present, so all they have to do is be present
THEORY DISPROVED

I think Starlight, Spike and Twilight were meant to do this in the first place. So they went extras.

But here’s the thing even without twilight starlight and spike celestia would still technically have sunset shimmer and she could be the next element of magic and it could work honestly

But here’s the thing even without twilight starlight and spike celestia would still technically have sunset shimmer and she could be the next element of magic and it could work honestly

this only works if you believe in the theory of multiple universes. i highly doubt that it would be a thing in the my little pony universe though because twilight time traveled once before and the spell she cast said it would take her back to the original timeline i believe

It might explain the new generation and would explain why the g4s work in unity is still not in play and why there was only ponies and no other species there.

What about Discord? Wouldn't he stop the Changelings? Fluttershy haves tea with him every week.

Ok but like, did you ever wonder if Starlight, Twilight and Spike ever existed in the other timelines? Cause compared to the human universe wherein you can see their human selves, it’s never shown where Starlight, Twilight, and Spike are in the other timelines..

Depressing? Nah. This is a way to show if someone disappeared or never existed everything could go wrong. Everyone they love might be hurt or worse. The world could maybe even end. That's kinda inspiring

Wait a sec... if they went to a different timeline, wouldn't they run into that timeline's version of them?

Ok. So here is the issue with your theory. Twilight may have not even affected the past by being there. The race went on as though nopony knew they were there. So what if they were there in the original timeline but it wasn't noticable. That means that they were destined to return to the past and leave an unchanged present. Like when twilight used a time spell to try to warn herself. It happened and it left the present unchanged. They were mostly where the racers (including Rainbow Dash) could see but they were too busy focused on the race to notice.
I am sorry for doing this.

Simple, discord can travel between dimensions time and and space, dreams and timelines, fluttershy would beg discord to bring twilight and spike back and then when he does twilight will ask discord to bring starlight back and he will refuse until fluttershy ask him.

But if twilight, spike and starlight went into a different timeline that was identical then there would be 2 twilights, 2 spikes, and 2 starlight's. So I think that they went into the original timeline.

You think of timelines like they are parallel universes. I think they are not. Probably Starlight just changed original timeline several times. When Starlight and Twilight came back it still was the same universe but its past is a little bit different

probably the timeline where twilight starlight and spike came from just stopped existing, or just like you said it was reconnected after the rain-boom

If they got teleported to another identical timeline, wouldn’t there be other versions of twilight and starlight?

This would probably be the timeline where nobody wins out. Keep in mind that, if Cozy and Tirek teamed up in a Chrysalis timeline, there could still be someone involved trying to stop them: the Changelings. Would they succeed, though? Maybe, maybe not. We know that Discord was affected, too...or was he? If I recall correctly, he didn't show up in School Raze at all. Who knows if he could have helped out the Changelings, since without the Season 6 finale happening, Discord would have no reason to find the Changelings to be a problem. This is the same guy who teamed up with Tirek, and Chrysalis and her army remained in unknown circumstances up until the Season 6 finale.

If this is true than the 9th timeline can be the timeline where everything is broken and destroyed

So here's the reason this mess happened: they really couldn't change the fact that they were there unless, Starlight did. And they didn't know this mess could happen. Simple right????

I think They actually were there in the Original Timeline. It’s just that Nobody ever noticed them, and we never saw them in the Flashback, but I bet they were just off screen. Rainbow Dash was too high on adrenaline to notice, so she never would’ve been able to relay the information to the modern day Twilight. There’s also the fact that Season 5 hadn’t been written by this point. So in all reality, we never actually left the original Timeline, aside from when Starlight stopped Rainbow Dash those 7 different times, leading to all the events we saw in the Episodes.

Wait a minute, now that I think about it, if that’s how the time travel works, wouldn’t there be multiple twilights in some timelines?

When starlight changed reality she MADE new timelines so there is no way that new one was sitting there wiith all the past already there, just an opinion

Maybe they managed to save the world without twilight spike in the other girl they are strong and learned a lot

Oh, thanks. Now I can’t forget this.

I personally think that them being at the rainbow was bound to happen no matter what and it’s kinda like those time loop thingys that I don’t like thinking about because they make me confused

0:48
>Unless we assume Starlight being there and Twilight talking her down was already part of the original timeline.

The Harry Potter franchise has a lot of logistical plot holes, but it handles time travel very cleanly. In Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry and Serius are dying, but are then saved by future Harry, who traveled back in time. Present Harry survives (as the result of his future self's actions) and later in the story, travels back in time, becoming future Harry, who saves his past self. Basically, the actions of his future self were already part of the past. No alternate timelines exist because the original timeline required that he go back in time to ensure events would play out the way he experienced them.

And we have evidence that this is the same with Equestria's time travel. Exhibit A: "It's About Time," where Twilight travels back in time and (unintentionally) ensures the same course of events that caused her to travel back in time in the first place happen the way she experienced them. Future Twilight's appearance in past Twilight's library mandated that past Twilight's timeline would result in her becoming future Twilight and traveling back in time to maintain the timeline as it was supposed to happen.

This broke my heart when I heard this

There are way more than 9 timelines. Let's just say they leave the timeline of Rainboom. Twilight grows up founds the Mane 6 they do everything get to Starlight and the time travel part happens. Starlight and Twilight goes back in time and creates another universe with the same events as the AU the first Starlight created. The Original universe is probably in chaos, but there are more than 9 universes.

I think they went back but realized they couldn't see them so they went back but discovered that it was a timeline that has no Celestial or Luna so ponyvill was sad and disappointing so they went back and fixed everything and returned to there timeline

I like to think those timelines were just blips of possible timelines but nobody in them was real. It was just an illusion for understanding cause and effect so no alternative timelines were created, time was just paused as the 3 ventured through possibilities before they ended the illusion when starlight decided to go back.

Imma just say the reason she ended the illusion instead of the rest of the show being an illusion is just because she's just ultra overpowered with magic.

This is just what I tell myself to make less depressing. Take it if you want, leave it if you like the alternative worlds

And if we do go to this alt world I think they'd turn to sunset shimmer to figure out what happened to Twilight and everything. She could do it and she could probably find a solution somehow.

I am simple girl, I see sawtooth has a new theory I click

Boi i want a remembrance scale series of this concept

How would “new” mane 6 know Starlight?

That theory couldn't be possible because eventually Twilight would run into the other Twilight from that universe and then they would know something is wrong.

I think when they went in a different time line they got replaced with fake versions of themselves

well, Time Travel works when you interface with a certain someone from the past if you go back into the past without doing anything then things should seem normal, that forgotten world isn’t really there it’s still the first original world that the main 6 live in (if you get what i mean) that forgetten world would only exist if spike and twilight got stuck in one of the other time places they got sent to in my opinion

ik this isn't relevant to this but I was wondering if you had a theory on the different varieties of ponies like the sea poneys. also how that relates to the Umbra and what exactly are they

OR... It was all one timeline, that allowed itself to be temporary split. Almost like your destiny theory. So one fat line that split and came back to one big line

Edit: guess I didn’t watch the whole video

It think I know the change that would have happened.
Someone saw Starlight, Spike and Twilight, and it could have messed with their head. So something could have happened between the time of the rainboom and the present

And the original world thinks starlight is evil because she WAS evil when she went to the time machine.

.... Sits in corner having an MLP thought crisis

Just a theory, but what if the G5 new generation we’re seeing is the “abandoned” timeline? Thoughts?

Lol MLP brings me back to the 2012 days good times

His voice ain’t helping the fact that it’s 12:42 am, and I decided to watch this for no reason. No offence to him, this was a nice video, so keep it up!

I disagree but you do have a Point about two different timelines but I think they would merge back together.

But doesn’t that mean there has to be another Twilight in the “new” timeline?

I think how time travel works is a by changing things back and causing a New Rainboom


It becomes a Paradoxical phenomenon as the original Rainboom would've "NEVER" happened Because of Starlight



The timeline they return to is the future after the Rainboom they caused


The Original Rainboom timeline isn't Abandoned

But, Erased

I don't think MLP time travel is that complicated.

The way I see it, with The Magic of Friendship still being viable and all the removal of Twilight and Spike would mean someone else would end up filling their places somehow. Most if not all of their problems could still be overcome. I'm sure there is a lot that could have happened to compensate for their loss.

Even though I want to bileve that you’re wrong, you’re too smart lmao you convinced me. They left that timeline

Your vids are legendary

Hey, Sawtooth! I know I shouldn't be pushy, but could you please do a video on that clip where apple bloom is a crystal pony?

Yes but I think Luster or Flurry heart could be Twilights replacement Trixie might see sunburst since with snow covering his homeland he would have to move to some other land where trixie might meet up and relate to since she is a traveling magician then lister would happen and even though without Twilight to help her realize friendship is not useless her friends could tell old tales of their adventures and maybe she would realize it has worth and find other friends to help with chrysalis. On the other hoof remember when Twilight said Flurry was equestrias last hope if they failed? Flurry being the giggly hopeful child she is could gather other friends from other lands she could save the crystal empire beat chrysalis. Without twilight the world may still have luster and Flurry to save it. :)

I have not seen this episode, but I see how it would forcibly create another timeline. What happens in time travel does not matter, everything will and have happened (Twilight, Spike, and Starlight would have spontaneously not existed in one timeline, leading to the same tragedy).

Oh! What if Gen 5 took place in the abandoned timeline?

They could't merge back into one timeline because Butterfly Effect. Their presence was a change at the beginning...

I took it as a fact from the beginning and didn't really think about it much, because I spent an awful lot of time on the topic of time travel.

Plot twist: the original timeline without Spike, Twilight and Starlight is the world without friendship, the world "The new generation" tells about🤔

I have two requests for theory videos
1) what happened to gallus's family
And
2) the story behind the young 6's window

Here's my theory if they want back in time then technically they're still version of herself so when they went all the way back then there would be two versions of herself and then they would be too but that isn't true so they probably did merge creating some super duper cool stuff

yes there's another timeline but think about it they went back in it but the scroll made a magical action doing a burst maybe the scroll turned then into the normal timeline idk how time travel works tho

When you talked about Sunburst being Sunset Shimmer's brother and Trixie and Sunburst being Luster's parents, could Luster be the niece of Sunset Shimmer?

This is making me cry so much!

But, this should mean there is two Twilight's in the Timeline with Twilight, Spike, & Starlight.

I sure another comment has brought this up but! This would most likely wouldn’t do anything, as you said in the video the timeline likely merged as once changing it was alway like that.

Idk just some thoughts, great video!!!

Whenever Sawtooth posts videos, it makes my day. :)

i like your theory but i think its the same timeline since the spell vanished after i hope so at least :)

This kind of reminds me of terminator set the timelines are a little difficult

Well, since we didn't know, what time itself is, we can't say what actually happen. But still, we didn't see original new timeline Twi, Spike and Glimmer, so It also could be old timeline.

Theory: there was also another twilight of the world twilight is in now so they switched places aka one twilight went to another world the twilight from that world went to hers then they would be identical places

Wow Mind blown as always great theory!

How dare you... Now I need an audio version of this end like Bride and Daughter of Discord.

But if Starlight, Twilight, and Spike went to another timeline, wouldn’t there be other versions of them?

I think the new time line they came back too over rights the old one. Where it still happened but doesn't exists any more.

I think this definitely has fanfic potential

Sawtooth, you're giving me chills up my spine!

I think that since there are no major changes that happened to affect anything majorly or even minimally that they still returned back into the same timeline also if they went into a new timeline where are the twilight starlight and spike of that other timeline? It just doesn’t add up or make sense so it was most likely since no major changes happened that they just returned back to the same timeline that they were from and everything just continued

If Twilight, Starlight and Spike abandoned the original timeline they should’ve find another Twilight, another Starlight and another Spike in the timeline they continued in

I have an idea for the 7th timeline : What If In This Timeline, the storm king Came Early, And Caused that storm Not Likely, but just a thought

maybe the other timeline was created, but starlight, spike, and twilight continued on in the original timeline. so the other timeline was forgotten

I've bin recently Going Back And watching stuff that I would always watch back when I was younger And rn I'm Going thru MLP stuff And damn it's bring me back a hole tone of nostalgia

what if the "desert" IS the forgotten timeline
Creepy to thing about am i right

Sawtooth a time line can't be abandoned.

heres another question what if what starlight did was ment to happen and what we saw in the past was what truely happened?

I think it's more of an avengers type deal where them going back in time was supposed to happen.

3:56 she wouldnt have taken over as she took over for friendship, without Twilight then she wouldnt have met the small 6 and would have no reason to try and take over

A difference that MAKES no difference IS no difference. If nopony noticed Twilight, Starlight, and Spike and acted on it later, the two timelines would quickly merge. Even the butterfly effect relies on actions taking place (or not). Don't work yourself up over nothing.

But if they travelled to another timeline, twilight's friends recognised them so that means that theres another twilight, spike and starlight travelling to the original timeline so its like nothing changed (maybe)

4:08 I really don't like how you paint abandoned timeline as doom and gloom, how about this hypothetical, while Cozy Glow did still try her plan and succeeded, she unintentionally salvaged the timeline, sure no magic(like Gen 5 timeline... Hmmm) but atleast Chrysalis loses her magic as well. And since you buy the "butterfly effect" theory, how about this. Since timeline is so different, couldn't even cozy glow change? What if in this timeline she wants to drain magic to SAVE everyone, or atleast to spite Chrysalis.

i don’t think this is what happened but it’d make for a great creepypasta

Oh my god, I'm just recently getting back into My Little Pony since it ended and this right here? Wow very good analysis on the theory :) ❤️ (cries on the inside)

maybe they were totally supposed to do that, like a time loop the same thing as the "It's about time" episode.

I think the wasteland one is just when I had no Idea what I was doing in EAW and ended up getting everyone killed

Wow. Creepy, but nice theory :3

What about starlight, twilight, and spike from the new timeline? Surely there would be a paradox

I can't watch a single video of yours and not end up completely mind blown...🤯

Doctor Hooves could've known about what happened if he stumbled upon it in his journeys, let the Mane 5 and Celestia know. But then does Doctor Hooves alter timeless when he goes in and out?......

This is like the meme,
Time traveler moves a chair a centimeter:

The timeline:

But wouldn’t there but two copies of Twilight (albeit one is younger and the other is older) if the original stayed in the new timeline if they did stay there? The same can be said for Spike and Starlight

I have channeled aliens and they described time as an ocean with currents. Yes, the 9th timeline would happen.

I Like How This Channel Goes Real Deep Into Some Stuff In MLP. I Really Do.

I actually think she changed the spell just to stop the rainboom so if they were there they would still go back to the time they returned to because she only wanted to stop the rainboom

The time lines go back together end of story

I miss you mlp❤❤❤

I doubt this is the case now. In the My little manga comic a day in the life of equestria volume 3 (Which deals with an alternate timeline where the elements weren’t present with nightmare moon) Discord states that time corrects itself with these things and that mostly happens, well it turns into pony life. But still, them being there would have been even less of an correction, They probably got sent back.

I Love it 👍👏👏👏

There must be a twilight in that dimension so they must've swapped places

Imagine the first timeline was the reason mlp g5 world is the way it is now

What if the original timeline turned into G5?

After that twilight went to the equestria girl world and was remembered so I think that she might go to the same time line that she was in before or in the other time line you said

4:21 depressing and kinda engaging at the same time.

Technically if you are no time in Equestria then you should think about the beginning to the end of the show how long does it take to make all the seasons maybe then you'll know what

You forgot one thing, without starlight maybe the princesses would become evil, also maybe the “Worlds” we saw was the WORLD they left behind.

Edit: also I forgot to say this, maybe the lost element of harmon is the element of time?

Because: where was twilight sparkle in those timelines?

Shouldn't there be another Twilight and the gang if they're in a new timeline? What are they doing?

bro I've always thought about this since the first time I saw this episode, like: "what? but what about the fucking original timeline?"

thanks for answering my question

I just got back to watching these and I forgot how relaxing there voice is.

No defeance i think time treavel just work diffently.

Ex. WoW's WoD (video game. WoD = Warlords of Dranor) grarrsh hellscream time traveled and did some stuff to change the timeline of main timine but it never changed. It just crated it's own timeline and NEVER changed the main tyimline.

"The expansion is set after the events of Mists of Pandaria and takes place in an alternate universe on the world of Draenor, the original homeworld of the orcs as it appeared in Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal, prior to its destruction in the ending of that game and the creation of Outland as featured in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne and World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade. Legendary characters of Warcraft's past, such as Grommash Hellscream, Ner'zhul, Gul'dan, and Blackhand appear.[13]

At the end of Mists of Pandaria, Garrosh Hellscream is overthrown as Warchief of the Horde by a combined Alliance–Horde force and taken into custody by the Pandaren so that he can stand trial for the atrocities he committed in Pandaria. However, before he can be judged, Garrosh escapes captivity with the aid of Kairozdormu (a renegade bronze dragon) and travels to the orcish homeworld of Draenor 35 years in the past, prior to the rise of the Horde. As soon as they arrive Garrosh kills Kairoz then proceeds to change history by preventing his father Grommash from drinking the blood of the demon lord Mannoroth, which led to the orc's corruption by the Burning Legion and played a major role in the events of the first three Warcraft games. This interferes with history, creating an alternate timeline where the orcish clans unite into an "Iron Horde" by using technology Garrosh brought from his time. The Iron Horde begin a war of conquest on Draenor by killing Mannoroth and building a Dark Portal that allows them to travel through time and lay siege to the Azeroth of the present era.[14] The adventurers storm the Dark Portal and with the help of Khadgar fight back the Iron Horde Vanguard back into the alternate Draenor. The adventurers use the Iron Horde's own weaponry to destroy the Draenor side of the Dark Portal but are subsequently forced to flee in order to evade the full might of the Iron Horde. The Azeroth Vanguard flee to the docks and split into two ships; with the Alliance following the Draenei and the Horde joining the Frostwolf Clan. Afterwards, the Alliance and Horde establish bases with portals to Azeroth to bring in supplies and soldiers.

The Alliance and Horde and their Draenor allies fight back the Iron Horde and ultimately confront the escaped war criminal Garrosh Hellscream in Nagrand. Garrosh lashes back and the forces are saved by the intervention of Thrall who challenged Garrosh to mak'gora - a duel of honor that can lead to death. In the battle that follows, Garrosh initially has the upper hand and blames Thrall for his failures since Thrall picked him as Warchief, but Thrall countered that it was caused by his own choices. Thrall then kills Garrosh by using his elemental powers.

With the creator of the Iron Horde dead, the Alliance and Horde adventurers and their Draenor allies set to dismantle the Iron Horde. The adventurers storm into the Gorian Empire's capital of Highmaul to defeat the Iron Horde's allies. In the raid, the adventurers kill the Warlord of the Shattered Hand Clan, Kargath Bladefist. They proceed to slay the creations of the Gorian Empire, including the spellbreakers and the Sorcerer King Imperator Mar'Gok.

Later the Blackrock Clan, led by Warlord Blackhand, challenge the Horde and Alliance to assault their domain; the Blackrock Foundry. The adventurers take up the challenge by storming through the forge, destroying important Iron Horde machinery, and blocking further growth of the Iron Horde's weaponry. Finally, the adventurers arrive at Blackhand's crucible and slay him.

Next, Gul'dan confronts Grommash and the remnants of the Iron Horde. He again offers Grommash the blood of Mannoroth; Grommash not only refuses but also attacks Gul'dan but he is subdued by him. With Gul'dan's offer of ultimate power, Kilrogg Deadeye, the Warlord of the Bleeding Hollow Clan, ignores Grommash's warnings and drinks the demon blood. The fel blood corrupts Kilrogg, turning him into a monstrous fel orc. Gul'dan assumes control of the Iron Horde and Grommash is imprisoned. It is at this time that the adventurers, with the help of Khadgar, construct a naval fleet to invade Tanaan Jungle and take the fight to Hellfire Citadel to stop Gul'dan and his Iron Horde.

Throughout all this, Khadgar works alongside his bodyguard, the Night Elven Warden Cordana Felsong, to grant the Commander a powerful boon by helping them create a magical ring that will give them the edge they need to face Gul'Dan. Catching wind of their plan, Gul'Dan reveals that he has brainwashed the alternate version of Garona Halforcen and sends her to assassinate Khadgar and the Commander, but Garona is defeated and the spell over her is broken, allowing Khadgar and the Commander to not only gain her as a valuable ally, but also allow them to finish the ring. However, when the ring is finally completed, it is revealed that Cordana's doubts and frustrations with Khadgar's leadership, as well as corruption from a Shadow Orb she had recovered earlier, has allowed Gul'Dan to corrupt and brainwash her just as he did Garona, and the fallen Warden attempts to steal the ring on Gul'Dan's orders. The Commander defeats Cordana, but she escapes.

In the Hellfire Citadel raid, the adventurers slay Kilrogg and remnants of the Iron Horde. When confronted, Gul'dan resurrects Mannoroth only for the adventurers to kill him and free Grommash, who actually joins them. Gul'dan then summons Archimonde to invade Draneor and, with Yrel and Grommash's help, the adventurers kill him too. At the end of the battle, Archimonde in his final moment flings Gul'dan through a portal to Azeroth of the main timeline in order to fulfill his pact with the Legion, setting the stage for the next expansion."

I think that princess Celestia and princess Luna couldn't protect the land by them-selves, so in that case they would be powerless against the evil that is still in the land. speaking of that any pony at any time could become evil anywhere, it would be impossible
for them to get to one side of the world to the other. So in my case of theory the land would become evil and sad, and it would be forgotten.

Hey sawtooth waves i got two theorys for you
1.if celestia, luna, cadence,twilight, and flurry heart are all considered princesses then whos the king and queen of equestira and can there be a king/prince so far in equestria history there has been no sign of a stallion ruler shure theres shining armor but other than him theres no good king/prince.

2. why is the human cadance the dean instead of princible after all pony cadance is ruler of the crystal empire and if the human pricible sinch is princible of crystal prep then what does that make the pony sinch.

I mean the only way they could of possibly split into the new timeline is if someone saw them and as a result their life was altered thats the only way that could possibly be possible

Would flurry heart still break the crystal heart if twilight spike and starlight were gone?

A prediction that is wanting us to protect the sacred timeline

I think they returned into the normal timeline because it’s impossible for them not just to return

I've been thinking
what if g5 is in the first timeline and that's why ponies live separately from each other, because there is no Twilight anymore

I never even thought of this, this is so sad :((
why don't I just nameless it

Wouldnt they asked discord? I think its safe to assume that discord would be their last resort if they didnt find twilight spike and starlight themselves?

Aw heck yeah! Double bug Queen timeline.

“celestia would have to find a replacement for twilight” thoughts abt sunset shimmer

No, twilight just time traveled back to the present. There is no posibility that twilight was gone in that alternated universe since they just time traveled back when they were just little foals so that multiverse is just doing as fine....

I just figured it was similar to how Marvel did their time travel

There’s one issue with this theory
Where is the twilight, starlight and spike of the new timeline they came into? Because if the timeline they came into would have to be an exact copy so twilight, spike and starlight wouldn’t notice. So if they were a copy there would have to be a original twilight, spike and starlight in this timeline. What happned?

SUCH A GOOD THEORY

I honestly don’t think the Crystal Heart would be destroyed because first of all, Twilight offered she’d watch Flurry Heart with Pinkie and second she put both Pinkie and Flurry in a bubble because Flurry was flying around crazy and when she separated Pinkie and Flurry she started to cry which caused the heart to be destroyed but if Twilight wasn’t there, someone else would watch Flurry which might not cause her to destroy the Crystal Heart

“Just being there could change the timeline.”

Flash intensifies

This looks really deep and sad ..

They shouldve gone back and edited the original episode, making it so in a flash in the background u can see the three standing on a cloud

technically all the stuff they did to try to fix it actually wouldn't make another timeline the only stuff that WOULD make a timeline is the major stuff when starlight prevented the rainboom
all the stuff with twilight preventing it already happened to put it simply when you go back to the past and go back to the present nothing will change as you have already made those changes if that makes sense so when twilight persuaded starilight they would just go back to the same present

Whell that is one of the Darkest things or Theories or possibilities I've ever heard dame.

That's actually pretty dark sawtooth.

Now i understand why Equestria lost the magic in the next movie))

Hear me out in my little pony a new generation the unicorns magic is gone If cozy glow succeeded could that be the reason the magic is gone

What if the other world have a new mane six?

The thumbnail gives me the shivers.

I'm just waiting for the TVA to come pick up Starlight Glimmer for crimes against the sacred timeline

Does that make the original timeline is now a alternate universe?

Sci-twi would probably take Twilight’s place

this can be easily a creepypast

But if that's true, then the alternated timeline should have two Twilight, Starlight, and Spike

Amazing!! Your theories are the best!!!

The 1st would become what we know as a rogue world as the temp goes lower and lower below -100 C

So if original Twilight ended up in alternate timeline number 9, where is the twilight from alternate timeline 9?

Twilight other time line lives and also the reason discord was released from stone caused the main six Bonded with the Elements of Harmony so how did he escape in the new timeline

This is where Disney got ideas for the Loki series 💅

I can’t believe I didn’t notice this-




THANK YOU

If there was a 9th timeline, there would be 2 twilights in the world, both would be alicorns cuz there is the castle and mane 6, so I'm pretty sure that there isn't a 9th timeline

Sawtooth: Explains theory
Me: ….

I wanna write a fanfic about the abandoned timeline now...

"oh I have a time travel question why don't I just Nameless it" 😂😂😂😂😂 I died laughing

I like to think it’s another “Bootstrap Paradox” type deal again.

Sawtooth Starlight was in Cozy Glow’s plan bc she was trapped in the orb thingy

Ahahaha oh man I love Nameless just showing up annoyed like LEAVE ME ALONE

(Spoiler alert) after I watched the episodes of Loki from avengers on Disney+ I noticed that there were time travel guards apparently??. But imagine if that happened with the ponies as well and with discord that would be a huge twist!

A cozy glow timeline

There's also nothing that says they dont travel to the original timeline. Sure, when heading to the future, we see multiple timelines, duh. But, this could be attributed to malice. Maybe there's some other half of the spell or so that shows that they returned to the original timeline. We don't know, because we can't really see it ourselves.
What I propose is that the "Forgotten Timeline" Is the one they return to. Or, in other words, the only difference between the timelines is someone came from somewhere, then disappeared without another thought. Nothing more, nor less.

The Original Timeline stays the same, the one we see, the one we watch, etc. and it goes on with everyone at hand.
The "Forgotten Timeline"- in my case, the top bar in his diagram- is the one with the extra three who appear and disappear for a few moments.

Honestly, I have a whole theory on timelines and universes and yahyahyah, but, too much for one comment, and especially since it doesn't fully relate to the video. But, perhaps at some point I can make a response, with art of m'own, just to discuss. It is an interesting topic, after all.

Also, to note, if it seems I trample over myself with the way I explained something, or if I come across as a broken record, I do apologize. ADHD is a helluva mental disorder, and it's hard to get my thoughts out properly 'cause of it.

Thank you for reading ze wall of text. Have a wonderful day/night/timezones're weird~!
~~Snowhead W. Blitz

Edit: I also forgot to say- and since TheStarryArcher1213 said it and reminded me- we see no doubles of Starlight, Twilight, or Spike, so that's a point to going back to the original timeline. The Tree Map also seemed to be connected to the spell, so it could be that the tree itself corrected where they would end up. It's called the Tree of Harmony, it probably has some play in the balance of time.

But at the crystaling pinkie was taken by twilight into a different bubble from fluffy heart, if twilight wasn’t there then they wouldn’t have been separated and the heart would not have been broken

Could gen 5 be the abandon timeline?

The "bad future" idea remined me of a very old game... Sonic CD.

“Do I look like a search engine? Oh I have a time traveling question let’s just nameless it”

What if it was the same and starlight with the scroll can make them invisible?

i think hasbro just put how we understand time travel concept back in when we were kids, since this show is made for kids

A cozy glow timeline

I have a question for you. This has nothing to do with this video but something to do with the g5 movie ( had to comment on this because comments are turned off on the other one). What happened to all the different creatures? What happened to the dragons, hippogriffs, griffins, changlings, and all the others?

YES THE KING HAS POSTED!

I figured out were all the elements of disharmony are. Ther in another dimension. The one were all the people are the opposite. So if everybody is opposite that means all the magic artifacts must be opposite

Another possibility is that they were there the entire time but we're never seen until now as time is a tricky and changing the past isn't truly possible unless you can perceive a way to prevent the impending paradox that comes with it cause if you change the past then you create an instance where you never needed to go back in time in the first place, if you see where I'm going with this then good on you, thus thus such an action would cause a distortion in reality, which may be what those alternate timelines are

Wait- this is very random but-







If they went to a different timeline then where are the Twilight, Spike and Starlight from that timeline?
Would they be in the timeline that was abandoned or smt-
This is making me confused

The time chrysalis attached twilight was not a princess yet so this has nothing to do with this part because twilight would of disappeared after chrysalis tried to take over the crystal empire.

Dear Celestia, this is darker than Nightmare Moon's night 😐😥

What if, the abandon world is the world we see in gen 6?! (Forgot If its 5 or 6) if magic was drained for equestrian by cozy glow? I don’t know how they would get the gems, but it’s just a theory 👌