I may not want to talk time travel, but I do have more to speak of with you in the future. Just no wibbley wobbly timey wimey stuff. Now, I have work to do.

Didn't he do a time loop episode already. Plus would the answer to his time travel question be twilight and starlight were always there to witness the rainboom in the past.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 MLB references? You are not plagg. You are...<br>Ponyhorse & muledonkey? Ok then

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 MLB references? You are not plagg. You are...
Ponyhorse & muledonkey? Ok then

@One Of HIS Flock doctor who references? I'm in!

@One Of HIS Flock doctor who references? I'm in!

@The Nameless One " Hey I've got a question about time travel. Let's just NAMELESS it!" That cracked me up! 😂

This may be true... After all, the magic went into the crystals. Twilight was never there. Maybe that's how she was lost in the movie.  <br>She didn't die, she just... Vanished

This may be true... After all, the magic went into the crystals. Twilight was never there. Maybe that's how she was lost in the movie.
She didn't die, she just... Vanished

@The Nameless One why do you just ask me , ponyhorse and my assistant muledonkey?

@Mochi 🏰👑 sawtooth is so a royal prince in their little castle.

what's your name nameless or do you not have 1

what's your name nameless or do you not have 1

Что ты за Лич Кел ту Зад....

Что ты за Лич Кел ту Зад....

Эдвард Нигма

I think the original timeline may have been a cozyglow timeline

@HoneyComb_Dreams  I Haven A Question? What is the TVA?

@HoneyComb_Dreams  I Haven A Question? What is the TVA?

Ah… yes… timelines… I understand how you feel about those. I think about them often, and when I do I immediately start panicking and stop.

Who are you? And why do you sound like Vergil?

Who are you? And why do you sound like Vergil?

TIMEY WIMEY :( Do you watch doctor who or is that a coincidence

@o͎-͎ᴛʜᴀᴛ1ʀᴀᴠᴇɴ-͎o͎  did you know that sawtooth is a changeling?

@o͎-͎ᴛʜᴀᴛ1ʀᴀᴠᴇɴ-͎o͎  sawtooth is so magical and charming in fact he is a great star celbrity.

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but nameless child you a great gamer dear little darling.

but nameless child you a great gamer dear little darling.

@ostenfeld66  you're right but to have some variety in your life otherwise you will think It was useless.

Nameless since you don't like what sawtooth wants why didn't you tell you want?.

@theboneisin what about saw tooth did he stop existing?

@theboneisin what about saw tooth did he stop existing?

What about the Human world. Sunset visit them after season 5. What if it was a loop like in season 6. What if Twilight from copy world travel in time to original world and original Twilight travel to copy world?

Justice league! Os please tell me atleast that you want to be a alicorn and do magic?! And if I became a alicorn I will have a lot of things to learn like flying and magic stuffy buffy

Not sure why Sawtooth just didn't try and talk to doctor hooves instead.

Well, what about time travel talk that has nothing to do with Doctor Who?

@The Nameless Onewell too bad because I'm just going to screw logic by dividing 0 by 0 and how I'm going to do it is by "namelessing" it basically.

@Nathan Meersman I'm positive. Denying logic or not, that's not how this works.

@The Nameless Oneare you sure about that because I just denied logic.

@The American Girl Doll Film Channel  He and I are good friends

@The American Girl Doll Film Channel  He and I are good friends

I was joking about the fact that you guys keep crossing over in this channel.

@The American Girl Doll Film Channel  he and I do very different content

Time is a big ball of wibbly, wobbly, timey, wimey stuff.

Time is a big ball of wibbly, wobbly, timey, wimey stuff.

@Cxddly I watch ur videos and think they are beautifully amazing!

If nameless sees this reply do you think if this theory is true discord wouldn’t have done anything

You to has cross over a lot recently. Maybe you should merge you’re channels.

@Nathan Meersman this isn't how that works.

@Nathan Meersman this isn't how that works.

@The Nameless Oneso you you say you hate time travel well that's too bad because I'm just going to do this basically. <b>*yeets "The Nameless One" through the dimensional timelines of "Multiverse Sonic" and his friends, "twomanyraptors", "The Rift Cafe" and "The Secret Rift", "Lighting Bliss" and her friends, "Scribbler" and her friends, "Hunter's World Gaming" and his friends, "Hunter's World Nightmare" and his friends, "Record Guy 626" and his friends, "BRRGames", "Daimondo", "Herobrine Demon [The Unstoppable Demon]", "Seelkadoom The Hedgehog", "Ultimate Omniversal Seelkadoom", "SMG4", "SMG3", "MarioMario54321", "Mastered UI Kostas", and "JaisKoiz" along with some dimensions like team fortress 2, team fortress classic, pre-fortress 2, team fortress 2 classic, open fortress 2, pony fortress 2, portal 1-3+more, g-mod, g-mod 2, sfm, sfm 2, sandbox, "vrchat", "hammer editor", "unity", "fnf", "ddlc", "spyro", "skylanders", "mmd", "undertale", "deltarune", "phoenix write", "latin puzzle video game", "elements of insanity", "fallout equestria", "half life 1-3", ytp, mlp ytp gen 1-5, and mlp gen. 1-5 at the same time in a infinite unlimited endless never ending loop with no loopholes at all no matter what with no escape at all no matter what which completely causes all of the dimensions to completely collide and merge no matter what completely permamently forever successfully.*</b>

@The Nameless Oneso you you say you hate time travel well that's too bad because I'm just going to do this basically. **yeets "The Nameless One" through the dimensional timelines of "Multiverse Sonic" and his friends, "twomanyraptors", "The Rift Cafe" and "The Secret Rift", "Lighting Bliss" and her friends, "Scribbler" and her friends, "Hunter's World Gaming" and his friends, "Hunter's World Nightmare" and his friends, "Record Guy 626" and his friends, "BRRGames", "Daimondo", "Herobrine Demon [The Unstoppable Demon]", "Seelkadoom The Hedgehog", "Ultimate Omniversal Seelkadoom", "SMG4", "SMG3", "MarioMario54321", "Mastered UI Kostas", and "JaisKoiz" along with some dimensions like team fortress 2, team fortress classic, pre-fortress 2, team fortress 2 classic, open fortress 2, pony fortress 2, portal 1-3+more, g-mod, g-mod 2, sfm, sfm 2, sandbox, "vrchat", "hammer editor", "unity", "fnf", "ddlc", "spyro", "skylanders", "mmd", "undertale", "deltarune", "phoenix write", "latin puzzle video game", "elements of insanity", "fallout equestria", "half life 1-3", ytp, mlp ytp gen 1-5, and mlp gen. 1-5 at the same time in a infinite unlimited endless never ending loop with no loopholes at all no matter what with no escape at all no matter what which completely causes all of the dimensions to completely collide and merge no matter what completely permamently forever successfully.**

@The Nameless One Well have I got some news for you about who had just arrived in SSBU to have a reunion with Cloud Strife. Guess who’s finally in Super Smash Bros Ultimate back in December 10, 2020? Here’s a hint with lyrics: Estuans interius ira vehementi, estuans interius ira vehementi!

@Miki Stenbeck No, not my lack of a name

@Miki Stenbeck No, not my lack of a name

good Doctor Who ref there Nameless, XD (your name wouldn't happen to be ref too, would it?)

I don’t think the chrysalis could have won if the storm took over or at least have difficulty doing so

@HoneyComb_Dreams I don't, I just don't like time travel

@HoneyComb_Dreams I don't, I just don't like time travel

Hey I’ve got a question about time travel

Hey I’ve got a question about time travel

Nameless you work for the TVA Don’t you? XD

Nameless you work for the TVA Don’t you? XD

Alright extremely cool  and powerful creature im still curios on how to make a deep fried ice cream

Red dragon logs: I don’t like time travel anyway, but if you want to talk multiverse well…

I will watch for those conversations ;)


Was waiting for MatPat to make a theory about MLP but this is better

@Glaceongirl AKA Susie FNAF is the kid equivalent of FNAF. It's family-friendly horror, and the community is plenty-centered around younger fans.

Me too😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Me too😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Honestly sawtooth is the best detective for mlp
So
Same

@Neetu Gupta miraculous ladybug? The show without lore?

Hate to break it to you, but MatPat doesn't seem to be doing any pony theories anytime soon...Unless the fourth circle thing in his wheel ends up being Pony Theory!

we can only hope he does at one point Hax,

It's because of all of the brony haters. If he makes a pony video, people will assume that he's a brony and he will probably lose some subs

@Featherstar that team is going to have a field year

As cool as that would be, I highly doubt that would happen.

♡ —C͎i͎t͎r͎u͎s͎n͎'t͎

I’m not because just no but it’s fun watching these all the time.

I don't think We want Matpat to do a thereoy on MLP

MatPat's theories aint shit. Besides, Sawtooth makes great theories that could trample his.

Same here but he would have turned the whole show to the dark side

@I am a person  thank’s now i know who you mean

Well since I’m on of the fans of MatPat and you want him to make a theory about MLP so much I would love to see that happen. For my answer is yes. Sweet Celestia Yes I would love to see MatPat make a theory about MLP FIM! That’s one of my secrets: I’m apart of the Game Theorist, Film Theorist, and Food Theorist fandom!

Meeeeeee  toooo
 Sorry
But ya me to

HE NEVER DID!!😭

if he did it would probably be like "mlp are they actually pony's?!?!"

@Newbie Gamelover yeah, I mean look  at what he did with Hazbin Hotel, better stay away from that

@Dutch ball If you don’t know who he is you’ve probably seen his stuff in your recommendations. He runs Game Theory, Film Theory, and Food Theory, which are centered around making theories about said topics.

Who’s matpat ohh i know i also was waiting for that but sawtooth is even beter in destroying my childhood

@Alexander Prime He doesn’t seem particularly interested, from what he’s talked of it he even seems a little weirded out by the fanbase (although this could have changed with time like some of the other jokes he’s made in the past).

Another factor is by the time he made Film Theory (2014-2015), MLP’s popularity was waning, it was still successful but it wasn’t the monolith it was in the early 2010’s.

I just don’t think it’s his cup of tea and there’s not a huge demand for it, so he really doesn’t have a reason to.

I thought that would happen at some point but it didn’t. Mlp is the kids equivalent of fnaf. without the dead kids of course. They both have time travel.

Same. We need matpat to do an mlp theory. I also kinda want some Ninjago and TMNT ones too

B⃤O⃤B⃤A⃤ T⃤E⃤A⃤

@Neetu Gupta yeah <br>Just ask the fans what he should do

@Neetu Gupta yeah
Just ask the fans what he should do

Matpad could make like dozens of theories on mlp, mlb mha and others

@Newbie Gamelover this will be different

yes but imagine in another Timeline hes matpat too

@Newbie Gamelover c'mon
Just one?
Pleasw

I think the MLP community is too saturated with theory videos for him to want to mess with this series. He's most likely leaving it to the actual experts: the fans that have already been passionately watching since the beginning. Otherwise, it'll be his Pheonix Wright theory all over again.


Here's a thought: Queen Chrysalis would totally take Twilight's place (with another changeling for Spike), imagine all the love she can feed on when dear Princess Twilight returns to her beloved friends and family! She can do anything from there with Twilight's image

@Lonely the Onely She probably had changeling spies keeping tabs on the main 7 after being defeated the first time so she probably knows enough to take Twilight's place. Changelings can become literally any living creature. Chrysalis would know almost if not everything about Twilight and the others. It seems smart to learn as much about the enemy as you can

wb twilight? would chrysalis even know all the things the mane 6 have done??

Chrysalis learns about friendship and ends up becoming the ruler of equestria, but a good one.

The ponies of equestria would find out sooner or later though, the elements of harmony wouldn't work with chrysalis as she had no real bond with the other 5.

To give back magic releasing everyone she’s probably trapped because they wanted magic and They that she had it

Without the main six Celestia Luna them self would have to go to T-wait a minute oh Cody told them about that so she’d probably say to investigate Ponyville to make sure that TREC didn’t get out well they were gone they would take the device twilight used to raise the sun and the moon because magic would be gone by the time they actually thought of actually going to wear TREC is magic would probably be gone because of that cozy is in charge because people would trust her she’s become the empires of friendship but actually having that power saying how friendly it can be she might just go ahead and decide

Huh, never... thought of it that way...<br>Nice theory.

Huh, never... thought of it that way...
Nice theory.


maybe the abandoned world was the world of the new generation

maybe the abandoned world was the world of the new generation

tbh abandoning it was a good decision then

tbh abandoning it was a good decision then

That is a good one...buttttt the new trailer proves it wrong

That is a good one...buttttt the new trailer proves it wrong

@Nothing._.Here! True, especially for someone who has no idea about the dangers or how to protect yourself. Perhaps he ran into a cockatrice?

@Nothing._.Here! My thought is that maybe he went out to look for answers as to why magic disappeared. Considering he was the only pony to not fall in line with the 'unicorns and pegasi are evil' mantra, he was likely the only one researching Twilight and the mane 6 from g4. Perhaps he felt the need to look for places from g4 (like Ponyville or Canterlot) Perhaps, he had the foreknowledge of knowing that he may not return, which is why he left his regular glasses, his pendant and his notes at home, so Sunny could continue his work. Hopefully we get some answers eventually, but I doubt it.

@Nora I typed it on my laptops Notes app, then copy and paste to here. Took about 20 minutes or so to get it worded the way I wanted lol

@Simply_SMILE Sorry to put a hole in the theory but the crystals? And why is twilight with the crystals? I’m not hating just pointing that out hehe

That makes sense! Maybe that’s why the pony tribes were divided…they all thought each other tribe kidnapped them!!

It’s a very good theory. You’re so smart!

It’s a very good theory. You’re so smart!

This was exactly what I was gonna say so it gets another upvote from me. XD

This was exactly what I was gonna say so it gets another upvote from me. XD

I love that idea 💡its so awesome and creative 😍

I love that idea 💡its so awesome and creative 😍

@Jessica Touvell Yeah, i thunk that might be the answer or it’s just simply that he goes on an adventure into the Everfree Forest and just got missing and never came back, The EverFree Forest is full of dangerous stuff u know

@Lil KiSsEs :O you also watch mlp/sawtooth waves?!?!

@Lil KiSsEs :O you also watch mlp/sawtooth waves?!?!

@Jessica Touvell But what happened to Sunny’s Dad tho

@Jessica Touvell But what happened to Sunny’s Dad tho

Agreed it makes much sense ponies blamed each other about twilights disappearing

Yah of course has no one except us 2 suspected that

Yah of course has no one except us 2 suspected that

im late but idc but if twilight did abandon the original timeline but didn't know it. it still wouldn't lead up to the new generation because if the original timeline was abandoned then twilight wouldn't be the new crowned ruler because twilight isn't in the abandoned world. and in g5 twilight IS the new crowned ruler of Equestria hence the window pane in on of the scenes.

I thought the same XD it could be interesting and it could have a lot of sense...

I mean... that would make sense. Without twilight the friendship will slowly vanish, and in new generation the ponys are friends only with their own kind so, good point.

@Jessica Touvell O MY GOD YOUR COMMENTT IS SO LONG HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO TYPE THAT but anywqys i agree

That actually makes complete sense, what with the Crystal Heart shattering and friendship vanishing from Equestria.

Hang on. What if the crystals from G5 are actually fragments from the Crystal Heart?

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon f n a f ?

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon f n a f ?

If it was sunny would not know about twilight

If it was sunny would not know about twilight

WHATHE? LIL KISSES I DID NOT KNOW YOU WATCHED SAWTOOTH WAVES TOO!?

WHATHE? LIL KISSES I DID NOT KNOW YOU WATCHED SAWTOOTH WAVES TOO!?

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon ya

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon ya

Interesting thought, but like many theories on this channel, I highly doubt it, too complex for MLP lol

kinda sus but true but not 100% sure but it can have 50% chance that its timeline of new genration

Yes, then it makes sense that the crystals would be created, the ponies wouldn't have twilight and so on.

I think this theory fits because maybe when Twilight disappeared, all thoughts of friendship were hard to remember and the world split apart, possibly believing that it would be better to split apart or else it might happen again

@y/n baby panda / heryza and my sister  noo is not

@y/n baby panda / heryza and my sister  noo is not

No is not m5 maett older and older people

No is not m5 maett older and older people

I hate the new generation so best theory ever

I hate the new generation so best theory ever

@mikasophs #Road to 100! She probably lost after losing all of her magic for Cozy Glow

@Belladonna Everything happened the same before Starlight changed the past, so this it would be a world where Twilight dont exist anymore, but existed once and everypony still remebers her

@Lil KiSsEs I didn't expect you to be here 💀 hi!

@Lil KiSsEs I didn't expect you to be here 💀 hi!

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon The rest of the mane 5 would have known what twilight's cutie marked looked like because she had originally been there. That was the world they met and twilight became a princess. it was the other worlds where they hadn't met (ie the chrasilis world or the sombra world)  in this case the original/abandoned world was the world we watched from season 1 all the way to the cutie remark episode. the ending of the cutie remark episodes was the beginning of the new world

Yeah that thought come to mind too, that the abondoned World was the world of the mlp new generation😅

Alice_ 𝓐𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓵𝓰𝓲𝓻𝓵

@Book Thoughts What if Twilight never created the crystals. This maybe a long thetched theory, but we have seen time and time again that friendship is superior to all magic. What if after discovering she went missing, the mane 5 sacraficed themselves to make the crystals. After all, it wasnt an alicorn who made the tree of harmony, it was 3 races coming together. We dont know when the glass painting was made, but the mane 5 could have easily done the job in honor of Twilights memory or hoped that she would somehow see it and return. Meaning, that this theory could very well be what happened. But knowing the writers they probably went with something simpler like the memory stone got in their world or something of that sorts.

But that would contradict the video Twilight Sparkle's fate, because in that video, he said that old twilight sacrificed herself to make the 3 crystals.

But what about the crystals? It's quite obvious that the crystals were created by twilight sooo.....

@Lil KiSsEs Thay's exactly what I though watching this video!

@Lil KiSsEs Thay's exactly what I though watching this video!

Actually not really.  Who created the crystals then if not Twilight, whose cutie mark was depicted on the stained glass window in G5? I don't feel like anyone else did. Great theory, but implausible, in my opinion.

@[The Trio]  well I guess the original sawtooth is gone.

@[The Trio]  well I guess the original sawtooth is gone.

IS EVERYONE HERE TO SOLVE ALMOST ALL OF SAWTOOTHS THEORIES

IS EVERYONE HERE TO SOLVE ALMOST ALL OF SAWTOOTHS THEORIES

the crystals may have been made to preserve the magic of the different races, but they were meant to stay together promoting friendship in twilight's memory

I thought so too, but how would you explain the stained glass? It specifically shows twilight’s cutie mark creating the earth, unicorn, and Pegasus crystals.

that would be an incredible foresight by the movie's writers, but i doubt they thought of anything that insanely clever

in a twilight-less world Cozy Glow could gather attempt to destroy magic like she did in the show, and the rest of the mane group wouldn't have been able to defeat her (no element of magic means the elements of harmony would fail) in a last ditch to save magic the other three alicorns would work together to create the crystals from the g5 movie, maybe in trust them to the rest of the mane group? then like  sawtooth said, when flurry heart was born, she broke the crystal heart, sending equstria into an ice age. maybe the windigos showed up (ie end of serires) and caused all the groups to split and travel south to warmer lands? also without equestrian magic could tirek, cozy, and chrisalis still show up? lack of equestrian magic shouldn't affect chrisalis so she could still sow distrust to the pony races. Add that to the mini ice age and possibly windigos and you get g5. Than in g5 maybe sunny's dad had been researching twilight's disappearence and maybe had an idea about the loss of magic (he doesn't believe the evil unicorn or pegasi thing) but doesn't tell sunny about the loss of magic to keep her innocent. Maybe he was hoping to solve her disappearence and hoped that finging the answer would solve the mgaic porblem?

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon no problem

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon no problem

@Simply_SMILE <br>Ok, thanks for explaining and answering my questions

@Simply_SMILE
Ok, thanks for explaining and answering my questions

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon That’s a good point I guess they might have just been remembering the times where the mane 6 where still United because Sunny really likes the mane 6 and maybe she just wanted to remember those moments but this is just a theory so who knows

@Simply_SMILE <br>But in the new Generation there was a cutie mark of Twilight in the glass window, if Twilight wasn't there why would her cutie mark exist in that painting?

@Simply_SMILE
But in the new Generation there was a cutie mark of Twilight in the glass window, if Twilight wasn't there why would her cutie mark exist in that painting?

@Funtime Freddy and hand puppet Bon bon because if twilight was not there the mane 5 couldn’t handle all the tribes and the tribes split apart and there the new generation was brought up

And because of all the bad things that would have happened if twilight wasn’t there, the pony tribes all separated

That makes sense I haven’t thought about that

That makes sense I haven’t thought about that


Now there's an interesting and scary idea. However, since there aren't any doubles of Twilight, Spike, or Starlight, I think the three returned to their original timeline. The Map and the Tree of Harmony were connected to the time travel spell, so they could have pulled the trio back to their correct reality to keep things harmonious. <br>Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Sawtooth! ^_^

Now there's an interesting and scary idea. However, since there aren't any doubles of Twilight, Spike, or Starlight, I think the three returned to their original timeline. The Map and the Tree of Harmony were connected to the time travel spell, so they could have pulled the trio back to their correct reality to keep things harmonious.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Sawtooth! ^_^

That's cool to think about! It shows just how powerful the tree of harmony and the magic of freindship is! Or mabye in the slightly different timeline starlight, twilight, and spike all died. (Just kidding)

assuming the second timeline they hypothetically went to had the same problems as the original one, then the second timeline's trio would have went to a third timeline, and itd continue from there, with this paradox lasting forever

@MrNobody Ah, I'm familiar with that idea! I love the Back to the Future films, but the time travel logic is a little confusing. I wonder why Marty didn't get a new set of memories. He almost disappeared after he stopped his parents from getting together, so other changes to the timeline should have affected him as well. <br>In a rewritten timeline scenario, Twilight and company might have been protected from any changes by Starlight's spell or the Tree of Harmony. Or maybe just traveling through time somehow gave them immunity to timeline alterations. Or maybe Starlight somehow combined time travel with a reality-rewriting spell. Hmm…

@MrNobody Ah, I'm familiar with that idea! I love the Back to the Future films, but the time travel logic is a little confusing. I wonder why Marty didn't get a new set of memories. He almost disappeared after he stopped his parents from getting together, so other changes to the timeline should have affected him as well.
In a rewritten timeline scenario, Twilight and company might have been protected from any changes by Starlight's spell or the Tree of Harmony. Or maybe just traveling through time somehow gave them immunity to timeline alterations. Or maybe Starlight somehow combined time travel with a reality-rewriting spell. Hmm…

There is a weird time traveling rule, which was used in the "Back to the Future" films: a time traveler returning to the present, from the past, completely replaces their counterpart in the altered present.  As long as the past isn't so severely altered that the time traveler ceases to exist, then their counterpart is replaced, even if the original time traveler is a completely different person from their counterpart, with different memories, a different physique, and a different personality.  Somehow, their counterpart ceases to exist.  The counterpart that possibly did not even travel back into the past themselves, to produce their version of the present.

This rule mostly applies to settings that use "soft" time travel, which doesn't need to follow any sort of strict logic.

Or the Starlight in that timeline was much like the original Starlight and took her Twilight and Spike back in time and either they ended up never coming back or they ended up in another timeline similar to the one that the twilight, Spike, and Starlight that we know ended up in.  Our time traveling trio just affected their timeline, they affected a different one, where another time traveling trio of the same people either didn't or did go back in time and if they didn't, they met the second trio or if they did, they affected a different timeline similar.  If I kept going I would probably create a loop of this so imma stop before I give myself a headache.

@Serafin Malaluan There were probably alternate Twilights and Starlights in the other timelines even if they didn't make an appearance onscreen. And though Spike wouldn't have been born without the sonic rainboom, Spike's egg would have still existed in each world. <br>What I was saying in my previous comment is that there are no doubles of Twilight, Spike, or Starlight in the FINAL timeline they return to at the very end of the episode. I hope this clears things up a bit.

@Serafin Malaluan There were probably alternate Twilights and Starlights in the other timelines even if they didn't make an appearance onscreen. And though Spike wouldn't have been born without the sonic rainboom, Spike's egg would have still existed in each world.
What I was saying in my previous comment is that there are no doubles of Twilight, Spike, or Starlight in the FINAL timeline they return to at the very end of the episode. I hope this clears things up a bit.

What about the twilight, starlight, and spike of the timeline they went to? They would still be there and there would be two twilights, spikes, and starlights.


I personally think it's the same time line and, at the very least, they do merge back into one. HOWEVER, I think your theory would make an "awesome" grim dark fanfiction

@Alethea Syna San Jose This was written a year ago and I can't really remember in depth what I was talking about until I rewatch the video. But just watching the first few seconds, it's the same time line because, aside from twilight and Starlight being in the background, everything was put back to normal with no changes. At the most the only thing that would make it 'different' is that others might have seen them and talked about it? I'm still have asleep as I only woke up 30 minutes ago so I don't know. I need to watch the full video again

What ? Ok then how is it the same time line huh?????

Yooooo! I'm writing a fanfiction just of that!

Alice_ 𝓐𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓵𝓰𝓲𝓻𝓵


The idea of that timeline being abandoned & falling into ruin is scary. It also is a bit scary to think about other timelines besides our very own in real life

Don't worry, following time travel rules that didn't happen

@Alice_ 𝓐𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓵𝓰𝓲𝓻𝓵 I’d want to meet myself from another timeline 😁

I agree What if was multiple timelines in our world?

Alice_ 𝓐𝓷𝓰𝓮𝓵𝓰𝓲𝓻𝓵


If they were two different timelines with the only difference being a few extra spectators  then the only explanation for why there aren't two Twilights, Starlights, and Spikes afterwards would be that the second universe's versions also went back in time, resulting in a timeline where there are two of each and probably a huge mess of other timelines, all with at least two extremely talented magic users having access to a map that can seemingly transport itself between timelines (and which seemingly didn't follow them to the last timeline), and that sounds like a pretty good way to guarantee that a spell for interdimensional travel gets figured out to me.


There’s another event you left out by accident. In that abandoned Timeline, Spike wouldn’t attend the Gauntlet of Fire. Thus Ember might not succeed in becoming the Dragon Lord, but Garble might


You clearly went with the multiverse aproach, I always just assumed they were rewriting the timeline everytime they went back in time

@EvilGuy52

Did you reply to the wrong person?

Also, if you're bound and determined to cast Twilight Sparkle in the worst possible light ever, you should also consider the FACT that rather than "stay" and help each of the "wrong timelines" and get them back on track, she "abandoned" them just as you're saying she did to the pre-time-spell universe.  So it isn't just ONE timeline that she abandoned.  It's all SEVEN that she "Abandoned" just so she can go back to her "original world".<br>But.  This is also a KID'S show with only half-hour segments.  If you truly want more exposition... should probably look into the novels and comics.  I'm just saying.

Also, if you're bound and determined to cast Twilight Sparkle in the worst possible light ever, you should also consider the FACT that rather than "stay" and help each of the "wrong timelines" and get them back on track, she "abandoned" them just as you're saying she did to the pre-time-spell universe.  So it isn't just ONE timeline that she abandoned.  It's all SEVEN that she "Abandoned" just so she can go back to her "original world".
But.  This is also a KID'S show with only half-hour segments.  If you truly want more exposition... should probably look into the novels and comics.  I'm just saying.


5:18 I think the other timeline could’ve disappeared, since Twilight is the main character. Having a show purposely focused on one character without that one character would have no purpose, so that timeline just no longer exist.
(just a thought, don’t hate me)


Technically it's possible that the timeline with the three extra spectators could be the original to begin with. It's a paradox belief that the past isn't as possible to change as you might think. Stopping the Rainboom was a massive change which was impossible to ignore. Rainbow never once talked about the spectators at the race that got her cutie mark so it's possible that the timeline before and after Starlight finished Starswirl's time spell might be one and the same


You forgot about the possibility of a time paradox. Starlight using the spell and Twilight bringing her back could be a fixed in time, meaning it would have happened in the "original" timeline with the rain-boom prior. It's a loop, and given the theme of destiny's through the show- as well as the episode where Twilight visits her past self ("Its about time") its shown you can't truly change the future- Meaning those alternate timelines very well could be set in our time as well. Similar to an illusion, a vision of what could be perhaps?? Idk, just that you forgot about the possibility of a paradox.


The map showed some level of consciousness or awareness of reality manipulation and had the capability to transpose itself across timelines to always be with twilight and spike. I think its fair to say that the tree of harmony or whatever consciousness that was would not want to separate twilight from her friends especially after gaining a new one.


Plot twist: the original timeline is the one that looked like a waste land.

@Bo Braekevelt That could be what happened

I think that seems more likely than most people want to think

That would make sense but aren't the timeline supposed to be at the same time but in different universes? 😅

Yeah because it would be a war against all of the villains and discord probably just watch

Can't be. It's the present. And it's about when Twilight left. Wasteland is if Twilight never meet mane 5. But this is if Twilight, Starlight and Spike left. So everything undtil now is normal.

@ostenfeld66 i got this from the ending of the end episodes

Are you sure? WHere did you know this from+

that’s the truth cuz if you remember in the episodes the ending of the end, i think tirek or chrysalis told that equestria would be a "wasteland"

Plot twist: the original first timeline is what eventually led to the events of G5

@Abigail Smith nah,the map was only placed in twily town

That’s impossible, because in the wasteland, the Rainboom never occurred, while in the original timeline, it did happen.

@Red Fox339 and no one really knows as much as twilight knows maybe celestia but she can't control the elements of harmony anymore

@Bo Braekevelt That's actually quite likely...

yeah because Starlight didn't help Celestia and Luna and maybe they both went on a rampage as Daybreaker and Nightmare Moon

What if they were where the Crystal Empire used to be?

Here my version human came here and bring nuclear bomb exploded it and that the wastleland

I think you might be right but it's a disturbing idea

That’s probably the truth actually, because the only way to defeat most villains and stuff is with Twilight.


Hey
I wonder if this was later in the show
What would a cozy glow timeline look like
Or one where all the villans ruled


Time Traveler: *Moves a chair*

Theorists: Well the timeline is entirely different now because in the original timeline no one moved that chair

(/j)

Time Traveler: **Moves a chair**

Theorists: Well the timeline is entirely different now because in the original timeline no one moved that chair

(/j)


Dude, that video reminds me of the "A Sound of Thunder" short story by Ray Bradbury. Basically, the same thing about going back in time, but (almost) without changing it. My guess - it's the same timeline. Even if they create different timelines, these three could have been at the Rainboom at  that time and haven't been shown to us due to... I dunno, unexistance of this plot twist? That's the basic time loop, just as the one in "It's all about time" episode.


This went waaay deeper than i thought it would, holy crap.


I personally love the Fallout Equestrian series and totally could picture the forgotten timeline being the same timeline!!


The Map and the Tree of Harmony were connected to the time travel spell, so more than 99% the trio was pulled back to their correct reality to keep things as they should be.


By that logic, shouldn't there be another Twilight, Starlight, and Spike in the current timeline?


This what I always thought when I was younger, not about mlp though. Like when I was probably 7, I always used to think when someone time travels and go back to their timeline, they aren't onto their timeline. Like what you said "being there is already a change" I didn't think about that for a while until I saw this video lol. I know exactly what you are saying

If you ever saw Back to the Future, when the main guy returns to his time, it’s not the same as when he left. He changed his parents personalities while he was in the past so he basically returns to a house of strangers. It’s crazy thinking everyone you knew is technically dead because of changes made to timelines.


See, this is why we gotta protect the sacred timeline.

yeah no im still going for the multiverse

How funny is Tara Stong also voice Miss Minutes in Loki series 🤣🤣

This is the way! Wait that’s the mandolorian

Even against cute alligators in golden horn crowns?

@Matthais' Media Mashups with Sawtooth Waves as Mobius lol

I wonder if something will happen in the futre of the Avengers baced off the end of that show

@Isabell Pascual HA you're a true marvel fan

Nah, let the tree lose and make it's own branches2

Where are the Temporal Police or The Doctor when you need them

@Robot Animals it's the popular thing now...

<b>*Loki wants to know your location*</b> Joke :D

**Loki wants to know your location** Joke :D

I was literally gonna comment something similar

Now I just realize what if The Nameless one , is one of the "He who remains" variants.

Everybody be saying Loki reference when the time police has existed in all forms of fan fiction long before Loki!

Id like to see a Mlp fanfic based off of the Loki series with Starlight in Loki's role.


Amazing! There are so many timelines that Starlight had created and it’s getting confusing for me. Luckily you made this video and now I know about it more clearly. I liked 👍🏻 the video!


I have a theory that it was all in 2 timelines, let me explain so starlight was trying to go back in time to stop the rainboom and ruin twilights friendship but without realizing she ends up making a new timeline and preventing the rainboom so then nightmare moon could take over equestria but discords spell still wares off and takes over equestria because well he's more powerful. After discord took over chrysalis takes over by turning in to something immortal and overthrowing discord but sombra returns and starts a war and while the war was going chrysalis transformed into celestia for whatever reason maybe to trick sombra and it was changelings working the entire time then flim and flam just randomly start removing trees in the sombra timeline because they take like nothing seriously then tirek steals all the magic in equestria including sombras magic and starts destroying equestria until it turns into the final timeline where everything is destroyed then in the end they return to the 1st timeline and the second timeline practically doesn't exist anymore because its just well you've seen it

@Puppyz 89 likes now.  Good job simplifying the fracturing inter-reality boundaries!  😀  Marvel's Immortus would approve.<br>Personally, I like the way the comment was written, with minimal punctuation and no line breaks.  It came off as a hectic and energetic thought stream, and I heard it in my head almost as if Puppyz had said it all in one long breath, which is appropriate, as it would be one very long, painful timeline.  😮 😊

@Puppyz 89 likes now.  Good job simplifying the fracturing inter-reality boundaries!  😀  Marvel's Immortus would approve.
Personally, I like the way the comment was written, with minimal punctuation and no line breaks.  It came off as a hectic and energetic thought stream, and I heard it in my head almost as if Puppyz had said it all in one long breath, which is appropriate, as it would be one very long, painful timeline.  😮 😊

@scarlet.leaves eh yeah I've lived my life with Aspersers syndrome and ADHD I get the whole mental scene but I didn't expect this comment to get 84 likes lol

@Puppyz I get that, it just makes it hard to read for people lmao<br>Sometimes it just is helpful to add a period or 2 to help people w/ dyslexica (like me) to read it without having a stroke-

@Puppyz I get that, it just makes it hard to read for people lmao
Sometimes it just is helpful to add a period or 2 to help people w/ dyslexica (like me) to read it without having a stroke-

@scarlet.leaves do you think I care about punctuation in a YouTube comment? I’m not in English class lol

And, kids, <b>this</b> is why paragraph breaks and frequent punctuation are used. Interesting theory though!

And, kids, *this* is why paragraph breaks and frequent punctuation are used. Interesting theory though!

I had to read this 3 times before I understood it.


What if the abandoned timeline became the new generation timeline? Cozy was successful in gathering the crystals that power all of equestria, and spreading distrust in each of the species. This explains why we don’t see another species of creature in the new generation. Another tiny detail, is that we never see a picture or toys of twilight as a fully grown princess, nor the other mane 6 as their older selves. This is just a theory, but without a doubt it’s very fun to think about


Future thought about G5: What if that abandoned world actually became G5?


Can we appreciate how he spends time making these videos for us and he makes the best high quality content videos and he makes our day even better!

@a candy bar shut up you candy bar all this guy said was to appreciate him you can’t call him anything

@Monica edits how the fuck is someone watching a my little pony youtuber gonna be transphobic

Y’all really wanna cause a rant for someone not having a stupid gender?
Y’all gotta stop getting offended for no good stupid reason,
Just because someone was “ rude “ to someone who is
Pride or whatever that doesn’t make them anything it makes u sound dumb
It’s like religion, if you don’t believe in something saying you don’t doesn’t make
You barbaric GET THAT OUT OF YOUR HEADS YOU 5 YEARS OLDS

@Tamayako so your putting cats and dogs below humans now. 💀<br>Dogs and cats are better than 💯 percent of the replies here

@Tamayako so your putting cats and dogs below humans now. 💀
Dogs and cats are better than 💯 percent of the replies here

@Tamayako I don’t care about this guys identity 💀 I don’t even know him and nor do you

@Hiccy69 you are smart and you finally knock sense to this bots

@Duffy✨ actually we are the ones with the keyboards/device so yes we do get a choice-

@Tamayako fine, i'm sorry about that. Can we please put this thing to rest? The commenter gave a nice comment and made only a simple mistake. Thats all.

@Hiccy69 and im saying your 'perspective' doesnt matter?? this isn't a debate this is MISGENDERING and you dont just get to give your ""opinion"" on a free individuals gender. if sawtooth says they're non binary theyre non binary.

@Hiccy69 THEY are non-binary and do not use he/him pronouns.

@Hiccy69 THEY are non-binary and do not use he/him pronouns.

@Hiccy69 Regardless of how you put it, it's VERY rude to just say "I don't care what this person's gender is, I'm going call them 'he' anyway." This isn't a debate of "cats or dogs", it's about misgendering an individual. Nobody was getting mad at OP for misgendering Sawtooth because it was accidental, but you keep insisting that "well I can call them whatever I want, I don't care if they're non-binary" which is shitty no matter how nicely you word it.

@Weili R I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just pointing out an honest mistake. There is nothing more to it than that.

@Tamayako the point is, i respect your perspective of this situation. I'm just trying to give my perspective too without being rude or disrespectful

@Jenkins no one cares about what i think? Then why the hell all of these people replied to me? I wasn't being rude or anything. I'm just trying to defend the commenter because from my perspective, he has done nothing wrong

@Hiccy69 literally no one cares about what you think. someone elses gender isn't your choice.

@Hiccy69 That's still not how it works. You can't just "not care" about someone's identity.

@Hiccy69 it’s just the fact the they go as they/them not he/they

@Duffy✨ i mean, if Sawtooth didn't really give much of a care about how he/them was called, i don't see anything wrong about it. He even gave a love to the commenter

@Tamayako tbh, i don't really cared about this whole non-binary thing. As long as you calling someone in a logical sense and not being rude, i don't see anything wrong with it. You and i have different way of seeing things, but i do respect you and your perspective

@Rosella im pretty certain that this person just made an honest mistake and didn't know sawtooth's pronouns, you don't have to be so mean to them - a non binary person

@Hiccy69 you don't get to give someone permission to misgender someone else, sawtooth has said that they wanted to be referred to by they/them. Im pretty sure that this person just didn't know sawtooth's pronouns and calling them "he" was just an accident especially since they recently came out but it doesnt hurt letting them know

@Hiccy69  They decide what to be called, that's not your choice.

@Hiccy69 That's not how gender works, Sawtooth specifically goes by they/them, so we refer to them as such. Intentionally misgendering someone because "I can do whatever I want" is ignorant at best.

@I'm A Bagel I was just going to write a similar reply to him but you did it for me, so thanks 😊😊😊

@WOLF OF NIGHT FIRE I know that you were trying to be nice. And I really like the nice comment that you wrote. I was just saying that I usually look at a video from a positive angle and also sometimes I give comments similar to the one that you gave. That also lead me to saying that if something in the video makes me angry I give negative comments. I was never trying to be rude nor was I angry. Sorry if you felt offended by my reply.

Yeah they work so hard for us even though the show already ended :)

@Hiccy69 Sawtooth stated on their bio that they want to be referred to by they/them pronouns, it’s rude to refer to them by anything else. I know you aren’t trying to be disrespectful, but you should keep in mind that misgendering someone is rude and can be hurtful

@WOLF OF NIGHT FIRE its okay man. These fellas here just trying to correct you. But i don't think there is anything wrong with your comment sir. You're allowed to call people however you pleased, as long as it isn't mocking or being rude (and also still make sense, like calling male gender with 'he' and vice versa)

@Rosella huh? I was only trying to be nice

@Rosella huh? I was only trying to be nice

And incase you didn't know, Sawtooth is a non-binary. So instead of he/him you should say they/them.

Believe it or not, I am the kind of person who tries her best to look at a video from a positive angle. But if you piss me off, you'll get nothing but negative comments.

Yes, i do appreciate it. And i'm not going to make much of a trouble about how you called Sawtooth. You may called HIM however you pleased

Hey just letting you know that they’re pronouns are they/them! /nm


Alternative idea: it’s a time loop so there was no alternate timeline to begin with :)


Bro this feels like a creepy pasta but a light version of that  at least the way you explained it from the beginning 😮? Anyone else agree ?


well no you cant merge time lines
even if you go in time and and just being there, and the time line look so similar to the original timeline, the timeline cant be merge, the deed already been done
and if the timeline merge the time it self will be destroyed and maybe also the universe bc the timeline cant connect with something different its like mixing salt and sugar in a coffee, the sugar and the salt represent the timeline and the coffee represent the universe,
the sad truth is the abandon timeline is doomed just like zecora said
"time is a river where even the tiniest changes seen"
 "can lead to a cascade of effects downstream"
honestly i wonder how many hours did they take to make a whole line for zekora


I like the idea that fanfics are also alternate timelines. In my case, my character and his friends got sucked into Equestria. Just being there created its own timeline because the characters interacted with the character in question. However, fanfics never affect the main timeline so whatever happens in the other timelines is exclusive to that one.


Is it just me or is Sawtooth's voice so calming in this video

@Navita Dashore maybe talk to a therapist instead of looking at YouTube? Sawtooth is amazing but this video will just make u more depressed


Bro this feels like a creepy pasta but a light version of that 😮? Anyone else agree ?


tbh this is a really interesting fanfic idea!


I really like this idea. I saw another theory that was somewhat similar to this about the way we get to the g5 movie. Maybe our new generation is meant to be the continuation of the first timeline from the show? Whatever it is, it'd be super cool to see more on this idea!


Wow after all those years. Your still doing Mlp.


If the world is forgotten, how does Sawtooth know this?!

MLP is just a TV show featuring the celebrities of Equestria and beyond. Equestria Girls is filmed in the other universe but everyone we see on the show is a paid actor

@Rosella <i>Imagines it in Celestia's voice</i>

@Rosella _Imagines it in Celestia's voice_

I’m going to guess nameless might have told sawtooth

@Rosella I just watched that video a lot of times cause I think it's really funny, so I ended up remembering almost the whole video....... But I haven't watched it in a while, so I couldn't tell you the exact order of their proof and all of it, probably....<br>Maybe I should watch it again.

@Rosella I just watched that video a lot of times cause I think it's really funny, so I ended up remembering almost the whole video....... But I haven't watched it in a while, so I couldn't tell you the exact order of their proof and all of it, probably....
Maybe I should watch it again.

@The Phoenix 3000 oh yeah. I guess I forgot about that 😅😅😅

@Rosella nah.<br>The person I tagged pointed out that their like was the 666th like. And Sawtooth used the first letters of Lauren Faust to create the number 666 as their final proof.

@Rosella nah.
The person I tagged pointed out that their like was the 666th like. And Sawtooth used the first letters of Lauren Faust to create the number 666 as their final proof.

@The Phoenix 3000 um, does that have anything to do with it?

@Rosella lol me either just cause they said 666

@Pixel Bolt Kai you sound just like Azmodius praising Iruma ( you'll understand what I'm saying if you have watched the show "Welcome to Demon school Iruma-kun")

@The Phoenix 3000 If I remember correctly, it was an April's fool's Day prank video and even Sawtooth himself didn't believe it. And I don't either.

@MelBurnsAtEverything do you remember that one video where Lauren faust apparently made a deal with the devil and twilight was the antichrist?

@Pixel Bolt Kai I was already corrected, but thanks

It's A Theory.
And it's not Confirmed.
And probably won't be.

their knowledge goes beyond everything in the known universe. Sawtooth is too powerful for our feeble minds to comprehend..

It's a theory so nobody knows if it's true or not

@Alwaaysflamingo Time travel is confusing, so this is the perfect explanation.

@The Phoenix 3000 everyone makes mistakes, am I right?

@Lucy Randomness incase you are confused, Sawtooth is a non-binary.

A Shapeshifting Dragon Who Knows How To Type.

@Lucy Randomness it's they/them for Sawtooth.

@The Phoenix 3000 and Sawtooth is a non-binary. So it's they/them.

@The Phoenix 3000 or they figured it out on their own.

@The Phoenix 3000 in that case, <b>*IN A GODLY VOICE*</b> The Nameless one has been blessed with unlimited knowledge of the world of MLP.

@The Phoenix 3000 in that case, **IN A GODLY VOICE** The Nameless one has been blessed with unlimited knowledge of the world of MLP.

@Lucy Randomness and had a lot of time to think about stuff like this

<b>*IN A GODLY VOICE*</b> Sawtooth has been blessed with unlimited knowledge about the world of MLP

**IN A GODLY VOICE** Sawtooth has been blessed with unlimited knowledge about the world of MLP

Well it’s not really forgotten<br>Just we don’t know if it exists, twilight, spike and starlight, would have thought they were in the same timeline,and the old one would be forgot as if it never existed, because they think they’re in the same timeline (sorry if this is confusing)

Well it’s not really forgotten
Just we don’t know if it exists, twilight, spike and starlight, would have thought they were in the same timeline,and the old one would be forgot as if it never existed, because they think they’re in the same timeline (sorry if this is confusing)


A good addition to this theory is what would have happened when the storm king arrived and Twilight wasn't there to help power his staff, would it still work or not and how different would the events be assuming there wouldn't even be a festival because of Chrysalis taking over, only more questions appear...


When it comes to the abandoned timeline I think it may fix itself into something similar to our current timeline you mentioned Celestia finding a replacement element of magic but didn't elaborate much I think in terms of who the replacement could be without twilight or starlight (or spike but that doesn't matter) the best candidates I could think of would be either sunset but she has a role in the human world or Sunburst sure he may not have much magical talent but his knowledge may be enough for him to earn that spot in which case the crystal empire would be ok and then the second invasion may happen but I think a completely unexpected factor may come to light The princesses all three may be able to overcome the invasion with thorax and then that will be resolved now the school of friendship becoming a thing is debatable but possible and then cozy could still be stopped by the exact same way and in this timeline I don't think discord would even bring back Tirek, Cozy, Chrysalis and Sombra and the only known difference from there may be either the sisters not retiring or them finding another replacement.


I think that we were seeing that timeline (the "second" one) to begin with. Sure, you never see Starlight, Twilight, and Spike in The Cutie Mark Chronicles, but you can boil that down to the writers/storyboarders/etc. not having that planned yet (which it wasn't) or that our view of the events just quietly skirted Starlight and Twilight's confrontation, as the events were being told by distracted narrators who likely didn't notice either, so we just didn't see it then. I still feel that it was there, and that we've been seeing that timeline unfold all along. Whether there really is an abandoned timeline out there somewhere is another story... they do say that every small choice we make branches off into a new path (Zecora even points it out in the Chrysalis timeline) so if that theory is correct, then I'd venture to guess there are a multitude of other doomsday scenarios beyond what can even be imagined. Anyway, great video!


Has anyone thought that since Nightmare Moon(Luna)  has a idea time travel magic exists, she might try to look everywhere for a spell or something? Especially since Luna is Starswirl's student and I'm pretty sure she'd look in his stuff first because he's well-known to have made a ton of spells


Even if time-travel confuses me sometimes, Sawtooth still manages to make their timeline videos thoroughly entertaining.


Alright, I took some time to think this over and the conclusion I came too is that there is no 9th timeline.

Simply put. For there to have been any significant changes in the flow of time, something significant would have had to have happened to one of the main players. The premise for the 9th timeline is that three new people saw an event happen.

What exactly did that change or effect in such a significant manner that it would cause a rift in the timeline? Three beings that existed elsewhere in the world at the same time where still doing their thing and anyone who saw those three could easily be convinced that they were just seeing things.

On top of that, most people believe this "little events can change the way the world continues" thing due to the butterfly effect and an incorrect association of the "equal and opposite reaction" law (Newton?)

The premise of the butterfly effect has doubts cast immediately as the death of any being on this planet is truly insignificant to the overall span of the planet and the fact that there are an increasing large number of animals to dot he thing that one dead bug could have done; making its death pointless to the flow of time.

As an science major will tell you, the equal and opposite reaction law has no bearing on anything pressure related forces. Look it up to find more details, but the long and short of it is that when you step on the ground, the pressure you put on the ground is also being applied back to your foot while also being distributed into the ground around where your foot touches. Nothing to do with time or time travel and stretching it to try and apply it to time travel has no logical basis.


Sawtooth.  Have you noticed that every time before twilight got her castle, she got the same spark like in season 1 episode 2?  It's an interesting detail.


It would actually be a lot nicer if the time lines merged back together


What if, while time-travelling, you can go back to a timeline you've been to, but Twilight and Spike kept coming into a different timeline from where they'd been before? But that when they went with Starlight they happened to come back in the original. We will never know...


You're right Sawtooth, it's not just the events you interfere with or the people you interact with that changes the timeline, the fact that you're in the past period could be enough to change something in the timeline, in fact when Twilight, Spike and Starlight returned to the restored timeline, i'm surprised that they didn't do a part where Rainbow Dash says "Welcome back." because you know since both Twilight and Starlight interacted with Filly RD you would think she would've remembered them and all that.

There's also a huge change in that Twilight and Starlight were very young fillies at the time. A sudden adult Twilight and Starlight (who likely still was friends with Sunburst at the time) in this time line is a change that led to another reality.
Even though they return to "normal", they were still there at this point. Its not as if it didn't happen anymore.

Even small changes have massive ramifications (butterfly effect), and in this time line, RD and Fluttershy have very distant memories of seeing two adult ponies fighting. RD remembers being frozen in a purple crystal while attempting the sonic rainboom. The changes are present, though the young fillies wouldn't realise that it was adult Twilight and Starlight fighting in mid air.

Remeber It's About Time when Future Twilight time travel to the oast to tell her past self not to worry Twilight and Starlight use time travel to change something but later changed their mind.

I mean there's a doctor who reference meaning it more likely is similar to the Pompeii episode, where they can change some parts of the past but not majorly historic points.

Filly Dash was too busy racing too notice Twilight, Starlight, and Spike.

@PizzaMLPop I meant your version of the story but its ok, no problem.

@The Stitch Man  Nah “there was a sound of thunder”, which could mean the guy who screwed up and created the new timeline where the language is written differently and the OTHER guy won the election, who everyone hated, was shot dead by one of the guys leading the expedition.

If you meant my fan story, I remember ending it with “there was a sound of a breaking leaf”, because I thought it was clever to describe the sound of a butterfly being crushed the same way they described a gunshot; with nature sound equivalents.

If I misunderstood the comment, I apologise.

@The Stitch Man  It’s called “A Sound of Thunder”. Ah, I never thought I’d hear that story again. It brings back memories~<br>Edit: if anyone wants, I can tell ALL about how the story goes~ it’s still prominent in my memory. I even wrote a parallel short story from the butterfly’s perspective.

@The Stitch Man  It’s called “A Sound of Thunder”. Ah, I never thought I’d hear that story again. It brings back memories~
Edit: if anyone wants, I can tell ALL about how the story goes~ it’s still prominent in my memory. I even wrote a parallel short story from the butterfly’s perspective.

To think all of This happened just bec starlight was trying to take revenge on twillight honestly i love starlight But the thought of the consequence that she did makes feel like she was not worth reddeming and it makes tirek and cozy glows .chriseles actions just a naghty games

@The Stitch Man Thanks, man. And hey, glad to know that story is still being read for English classes in schools. I personally like to see that story as a reminder of its lesson, much in how COVID-19 that started in 2019, lead up to the shenanigans of today's world. The riots, the increased murder rates, the political scandals. All effects caused by one small Chinese Butterfly Effect.

@Becky Deitz it was a butteffly. My school just read it this year but I dont remeber the name.

@Double Monk 05 06 07 Of course. That's why it's called the Butterfly Effect. I remember reading a story that employed the Butterfly Effect by a man crushing something under foot by straying off the beaten path while he was in the past tagging a dinosaur (I forget if it was a butterfly or a dino egg he stepped on) and when he came back to his present, things had gotten much worse. So much so, that he couldn't return and correct the wrong he did. In a similar vein, Twilight, Starlight, and Spike returning to their own time after viewing Filly Dash's Rainboom when they shouldn't have even been there to begin with could have just made things a lot worse for the original timeline.

(For the record, the story I mentioned was one I read way back in high school, so I don't remember the specific details of it... Hehe...)

@Double Monk 05 06 07 Of course. That's why it's called the Butterfly Effect. I remember reading a story that employed the Butterfly Effect by a man crushing something under foot by straying off the beaten path while he was in the past tagging a dinosaur (I forget if it was a butterfly or a dino egg he stepped on) and when he came back to his present, things had gotten much worse. So much so, that he couldn't return and correct the wrong he did. In a similar vein, Twilight, Starlight, and Spike returning to their own time after viewing Filly Dash's Rainboom when they shouldn't have even been there to begin with could have just made things a lot worse for the original timeline.

(For the record, the story I mentioned was one I read _way_ back in high school, so I don't remember the specific details of it... Hehe...)

Also, you have to consider the environment. Twilight, Spike, and Starlight most likely displaced particles of air when they fell into the past. That displacement of air could influence the path that a butterfly flies. That different flap might have prevented a storm or have been the cause of the storm


Something to Consider: The Tree of Harmony. We don't know much about it, just know it helps keep the Everfree Forest in check. We know it can create a hologram, and used said hologram, which took on the form of Twilight Sparkle, to communicate with the students of the school of Friendship... What if there is more to the tree than just what was shown? A Power capable of correcting paradoxes, so long as said paradox is minor?

Starlight messing with Rainbow Dash, thus preventing the Rainboom? Too powerful of a paradox.

Starlight, Twilight, and Spike being there to witness the rainboom? minor enough that the Paradox can be corrected, thus the tree does correct the paradox, because it would be the most harmonious outcome, allowing the three to return to the original timeline they left.

Something else to keep in mind, now that I posted all that: The Map is born from the castle, which is born from the tree. Thus the Tree of Harmony is 100% in play during this time travel.

WHAT IF!!! They never did go back in time? Or at least, not in the way they think? The Tree of Harmony, upon recognizing a time travel spell being used on the map, made an alteration on the fly (again the tree can actively teach lessons itself, and convey those lessons by means of a Twilight Hologram Avatar, so it has some sentience...) put them in stasis, and gave them "What If Scenarios" to teach Starlight a lesson about what can happen when time is altered. They never physically went back in time, only mentally, by way of what if scenarios. The map needed Twilight and spike to help convey the lesson, which is why they were dragged through the what if scenarios too.


Maybe the last timeline they went to is the one your talking about


If you ever watched the Flash, he tried to save his mom once and things didn’t work very well. So he had to have her killed by someone he hated again! The timeline was never the same. You can break the timeline, but you can never truly fix it… like you can break a cup, and put the piece back in the broken part. You still see the crack. Congratulations, by the way. You read this. Hoo-ray. 👏👏👏


What a brilliant theory. The first: I think it's about how Starlight's spell works and not a time travel in general. The second: Celestia and Luna. I suppose they can and will prevent any danger until any of them find new "special pony" or group of ponies.


Have you seen the show Primeval? That worked with this kind of change to history at the end of the first series. A very minor change to the past caused elements of the world to be different. Although in that show's universe, it appears that once a timeline change has happened, the old reality doesn't exist anymore, which is how I interpreted The Cutue Re-Mark.


Honestly, I'd have to agree with this theory. It is similar to how The Flash went back in time to save his mother and when he lived his life with her, he decided to get back to his first timeline (letting his mother get murdered). When he let things happen, he managed to get back to the proper present but things weren't exactly the same as before.


This is a cool idea, but I've always thought of the timeline as a loop, kind of like in Harry Potter
Idk I guess I've always imagined that when the rainboom was changed each time, the past timeline was just... erased, which likely isn't the case
But for our main timeline, Twillight, Spike, and Starlight were always there, its just that since they were spectating away fromna crowd, no one really noticed them


The two patterns in time are simultaneous. One involves the others as well... If something changes in one, the other timelines branch off like a tree from a root, leaving chance of being in-between or a part of either timeline. Picture the cat in the box experiment, but never ending.


"Equestria lost its magic" you heard that right that means G5 would be in the previous timeline where all the magic it's lost and probably where the princesses were kept captive so there are no princesses anymore...

@Lidia but wouldn’t she be viewed as the one who disappeared and seem irrelevant to the catastrophe that left equestria with no magic??

@Idk what name to pick twilight existed in the og timeline for a lot of events, then she disapeared. She would still be remembered

That would explain a lot with G5 and it would make the most sense

They had a twilight doll in the movie so i doubt it

@Alicorns_of_Harmony It wouldn't necessarly work since the history that sunny starscount recounts still seems like the new timeline.

@Alicorns_of_Harmony Oh my goodness, this makes SO MUCH SENSE! I'M FREAKING OUT EVERYPONY! No, more than that, I'M TWILIGHTING!

Here’s how it could’ve happened:
Just when Twilight’s friends come to terms with the fact that she and Spike are gone, Chrysalis takes over Equestria. But she doesn’t rule forever, because Thorax seeks help from Trixie and Discord and eventually defeats Chrysalis, reforming the changelings like in the timeline we know. A while later, Cozy Glow writes to Tirek, who helps her absorb all the magic from Equestria. Without the School of Friendship, the student six don’t meet and therefore can’t pull the artifacts out preventing the magic from being drained. (This also explains why there are no other creatures seen in G5, the School of Friendship is the reason so many other creatures started living in Equestria in the first place) Twilight’s friends, Discord, and the princesses try to stop Cozy Glow, but she throws them all into the magic bubble which pulls them into the ether once the three days have passed. Without magic, the protectors of Equestria, or the rulers of Equestria, the three types of ponies start to resent each other, each blaming the other two tribes for what happened. This causes them all to split off into different parts of Equestria.

Eons later, a group of five friends from the different tribes realize that the types of ponies are better off united. This ignites a friendship fire-like thing that pulls the magic out of the ether and back into Equestria. (This might bring the princesses, Discord, and Twilight’s friends back too, but it could also bring King Sombra back so…)

That means that's the original timeline their in with no twilight of starlight or spike G5 might be in that original timeline THATS DARK


From what I remember, we never got to see the twilight of the other time-line's so it's possible that the twilight of the main time-line actually posested the bodys of her other selves every time she came back to the present so whenever she went to the past again the conscious of that time-line's actual twilight returned and her body was teleported to were it was before she was posested and the time-line continued as normal. In other words, even if twilight's consciousness left its original time-line there is still a twilight there. That goes for the rest of the time-lines as well. I would like to believe that after the twilight we khow left the other time-lines the people she met there went on to find the twilight of their time-lines as well as the unite the rest of the main six.


Love your therioes Sawthooth! Thanks for putting in so much time and effort. And Iove you editing style the visuals examples help me understand it better!


This theory also fundamentally falls apart if you factor Discord. The original timeline Discord would go “Where’s Twilight and Spike?” Probably around the time of the GGG. And probably pull them from whatever timeline they ended on. Discord being able to open dimensional rifts makes him capable of opening through timelines too theoretically, but since time magic is performable by Unicorns and Alicorns, he can probably do it too. If Discord was so oblivious as to not see it until the season 6 finale, then pulling Twilight and Starlight then before infiltrating the castle would make it gg easy. Of course this is mostly assuming there are two separate timelines.


If you look back at season 2 "A hoof in time", that episode showed what time travel truly is like, if you go to the past to change something, nothing will change, because since you're going to the past, that means you had already travelled back in time, so you had already done all of that. But then you ask "If it is like that, then shouldn't this event happen unaffect for you to have a reason to travel in time? Like we see in the show?", that is where the magic comes, like a tree can change itself to adept to the enviroment, or the elements of harmony change their shapes to represent their champions(?), same can happen to the timeline, it let the traveler do their changes, then infuse  it with the timeline so things won't change, imagine when you trim a video to add something in the middle, then put video back where you made the trim

Btw there is a tenth timeline where Twilight, Spike and Starlight saw Sunburst getting his mark


what if it was possible that the original timeline actually still had twilight and starlight in it during the rainboom, and celestia was notified of twilight being an alicorn grown up, so celestia used that knowledge and made sure that nothing in the timeline would be changed.

This could lead to some.other funny events such as..
The fact Sunburst was taken to the school with Starlight left behind in the first place.  If Celestia is aware of what Starlight had done then she could have purposfully left her behind thinking it might prevent her from.getting the power to use those powerful spells...
As well as having confirmation that the adorable Purple Pony trying to hatch an egg is indeed a blessed Savior.

@Starmic That's the whole point, creating a bootstrap paradox keeps the timeline safe, it's like a lock to make sure nothing can be changed so nothing bad can happen.

Doesn't that cause a new bootstrap paradox like in It's About Time?

Good theory. I never thought of it that way 😊😊😊


It's been a year since this vid came out, but I gotta say this: My theory is that either star swirl or starlight had changed the spell to keep everything on one timeline, or time travel is just weird in mlp. Like when twilight went back in time, she couldn't change anything. So it seems to me that fate is fate and nothing can change it. And as I'm writing this, starlight and twilight could've reversed everything they did  before they left, causing the broken off timelines to uh idk, become alternate universes? Or even a simpler solution, returning to the original timeline.


This video is a great idea for a fanfic, so I'm going to go write it. I remember thinking something like this when I watched the episode, but didn't dive too deep into it. 🤔


It could be that the original timeline was already part of the loop. Starlight and Twilight were always and will always have that battle before sealing the loop in that last moment. They have always and will always be extra spectators in that moment.


That is pretty interesting. I was wondering with that recent trip to that bill space, you would of thought of this topic. Hey maybe this could have something to to with the new generation coming out. Will you be discussing that?


I feel like everything Sawtooth talks about, I actually believe it was canon in the show. These videos are awesome and I’m glad I subscribed :)

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Given how systems work, if you have the outcome to B, and it's similar enough to G, then you typically just merge them into one to simplify everything. Time is a system, whether it's typical or not is questionable. I'd say they merge. Especially, since you also need to ask "where is the second Twilight?"


time travel is complicated especially using magic. was it quantum magic, (where it's like cutting a piece of a mat and sewing on to another place.) or is it string where it's like a bed sheet patterns the times treaded together and cross no matter what. or the butterfly effect where their appearance was just enough to change the unknown time by them. or like a tree branch where they made it to their original time, yet still branched and created other variants.


The way I saw it, Twilight, Spike,a nd Starlight existed out of the time space during these moments, they could affect things and change time, but just existing in the past wouldn't directly cause any fluctuations.


Merging timelines would mean time itself did that, as most logically timelines would stay individual once they branch off, even if the same events happen after the Rainboom. With logic of timelines themselves, the ones shown in the show (Nightmare Moon/Chrysalis/King Sombra/Tirek etc. takes over) are the more drastic changes, while stuff like this are less drastic, like choosing if you want to get out of bed a few minutes early which doesn’t impact your day at all, which will create a new “timeline”. Merging the timelines would require having Starlight fail to stop the Rainboom, unite with Twilight and go to the present, which wipes out the past timeline, leaving the original universe’s events gone forever, with the exception of other timelines, but that would require different choices in the past without Starlight appearing at the race where the Rainboom happened. So, in theory, the original universe would be gone forever. Infinite timelines wouldn’t do anything, even with infinite choices, there would never be able to be the exact same copy of a timeline, because there is no use in the copy. It is possible, but there would be no use for merging it in logical ways.<br>The disappearance of Twilight and Spike from the original timeline means, with identical timelines, they may have switched timelines, but the second timeline Twilight would not go to the original timeline, instead, to another, new one, and they cannot go back to the same timeline, causing another Chrysalis timeline and a forever gone Twilight. With the knowledge of the second timeline Twilight traveling to a completely new one, This creates something that seems like an infinite loop, infinite timelines branching out from when Starlight travelled to the past to attempt and stop the rainboom. It’s hard to wrap our minds around the concept of infinity, but this is not infinity by logic. There are only so many choices that can be made, even if there was a trillion years since ponies started to live consciously, that would not be infinite choices, and hell, some timelines may even end because of what, a tyrant somehow wiping out the universe with a book spell? Some timelines will not even have Starlight’s redemption, so only a few existing timelines. This creates a weird paradox, if this follows the no copy of timelines theory, where would the “last” timeline Twilight go? Wiped out from the universe permanently? That could be an answer, but it’s weird, as if they got erased permanently from the entire universe and everything living itself by time traveling to a non existent place, if that was even possible. The most logical thing is that they were transported to a timeline where another Twilight existed already, like some future Twilight thing but permanent. That would be insanely messy.

Merging timelines would mean time itself did that, as most logically timelines would stay individual once they branch off, even if the same events happen after the Rainboom. With logic of timelines themselves, the ones shown in the show (Nightmare Moon/Chrysalis/King Sombra/Tirek etc. takes over) are the more drastic changes, while stuff like this are less drastic, like choosing if you want to get out of bed a few minutes early which doesn’t impact your day at all, which will create a new “timeline”. Merging the timelines would require having Starlight fail to stop the Rainboom, unite with Twilight and go to the present, which wipes out the past timeline, leaving the original universe’s events gone forever, with the exception of other timelines, but that would require different choices in the past without Starlight appearing at the race where the Rainboom happened. So, in theory, the original universe would be gone forever. Infinite timelines wouldn’t do anything, even with infinite choices, there would never be able to be the exact same copy of a timeline, because there is no use in the copy. It is possible, but there would be no use for merging it in logical ways.
The disappearance of Twilight and Spike from the original timeline means, with identical timelines, they may have switched timelines, but the second timeline Twilight would not go to the original timeline, instead, to another, new one, and they cannot go back to the same timeline, causing another Chrysalis timeline and a forever gone Twilight. With the knowledge of the second timeline Twilight traveling to a completely new one, This creates something that seems like an infinite loop, infinite timelines branching out from when Starlight travelled to the past to attempt and stop the rainboom. It’s hard to wrap our minds around the concept of infinity, but this is not infinity by logic. There are only so many choices that can be made, even if there was a trillion years since ponies started to live consciously, that would not be infinite choices, and hell, some timelines may even end because of what, a tyrant somehow wiping out the universe with a book spell? Some timelines will not even have Starlight’s redemption, so only a few existing timelines. This creates a weird paradox, if this follows the no copy of timelines theory, where would the “last” timeline Twilight go? Wiped out from the universe permanently? That could be an answer, but it’s weird, as if they got erased permanently from the entire universe and everything living itself by time traveling to a non existent place, if that was even possible. The most logical thing is that they were transported to a timeline where another Twilight existed already, like some future Twilight thing but permanent. That would be insanely messy.


What if there was an alternate universe where tireks brother agreed to take over equestria with him

@Claire Glover I don't think it could be, cause another timelines were created by Starlight Glimmer after the time when Tirek's brother disagreed to take over the world with him

What if it’s the desert one it makes some sense

@Hayami Hinata it definitely does exist.

That universe should exist out there somewhere


Hey, Sawtooth. Bit of a long-time fan here. I've been wondering. Do you make your own sprites, or does someone else do that?


Wait, wait wait! That's an amazing analogy though the predictions you made may have been.. incorrect.<br>The fact that Twilight, Starlight and Spike left an alternate timeline makes a lot of sense...kind of. You see, if that were to be the case, this really complicates things as in the new timeline, there should be another Twilight, Starlight and Spike, right just like in the Equestria Girls World? So, I think it's the same World...shaped in a different way. I don't think there is a timeline where the villains are ruling..the events of the past alter the present...one present. Not multiple presents. The only other present is the Equestria Girls world. But, even if we do consider what you say to be true because it could make sense, things won't exactly pan out the way you think they did/ You see, now we have seen that in these timelines, the characters are different too.... Starlight's gone. Twilight's gone....but some pony isn't....Sunset Shimmer. She hasn't gone to the Equestria Girls world and since personalities are different, she might take on the role of Twilight. Zecora might also become a much more important pony figure here. Now, what happens beyond that we can't really tell unless we literally get this alternate dimension MLP but this is a very cool idea to think about though to some extent, far fetched.

Wait, wait wait! That's an amazing analogy though the predictions you made may have been.. incorrect.
The fact that Twilight, Starlight and Spike left an alternate timeline makes a lot of sense...kind of. You see, if that were to be the case, this really complicates things as in the new timeline, there should be another Twilight, Starlight and Spike, right just like in the Equestria Girls World? So, I think it's the same World...shaped in a different way. I don't think there is a timeline where the villains are ruling..the events of the past alter the present...one present. Not multiple presents. The only other present is the Equestria Girls world. But, even if we do consider what you say to be true because it could make sense, things won't exactly pan out the way you think they did/ You see, now we have seen that in these timelines, the characters are different too.... Starlight's gone. Twilight's gone....but some pony isn't....Sunset Shimmer. She hasn't gone to the Equestria Girls world and since personalities are different, she might take on the role of Twilight. Zecora might also become a much more important pony figure here. Now, what happens beyond that we can't really tell unless we literally get this alternate dimension MLP but this is a very cool idea to think about though to some extent, far fetched.


I think it would be more like the Twilight paradox, where the universe would alter itself to where it has always been that way


Hey Sawtooth, I might have an idea for a theory. I was listening to mlp music on spotify and got to What my Cutie Mark is telling me. The theory I came up with was what if that broken spell that Starswirl wrote had broken the protective magic around the tree of Harmony.


If you use Loki logic, they didn’t have significant variant activity from watching it happen so they could probably safely return to the original time like nothing happened

@The Crap Nest Good theories yall and LOVE Loki!

Ah so it’s like it was MEANT to happen and the flow of time wasn’t disrupted….or like that whole “resetting the timeline” thing in Loki, we see when twilight spike and starlight return…the time spell explodes into light…like it’s resetting their timeline


Out of all the theories, I think this one is the most likely:
Twilight, Spike and Starlight were always there but unnoticed. It’s just a bootstrap paradox.
Before the perfect paradox, several destruction happened, then when after Twilight convinced Starlight the paradox finally perfect, and that’s the only way that could save the timeline. The reason why I think that your theory is wrong is that in the “second” timeline, where is Twilight, Starlight and Spike


I mean Starlight had the spell specifically designed to go to the past at a certain time every time Twilight tried to. I presume this means the Twilight and Starlight appearances are overwritten in this way because there’s be 7 Twilight’s and Starlight’s duking it out while the Rainboom should happen. If Starlight has a final say on the timeline they end on, then potentially she made a restore point in the present as well in case any and every timeline was worse. She herself never really got to experience the timelines from what we saw until she was forced to see one.


I kind of agree with you! However, I think it goes more deeper in that. It might be a little bit confusing. It goes like this.

The timeline where two extra spectators are watching the sonic rainboom. Another Twilight is still there in the testing area. That Twilight when she grows up she will also face an alternate world Starlight Glimmer who will create alternate timelines. She leaves that timeline and goes to another to stop Starlight. Then, she ends up in a timeline different to the alternate timeline she was in. So basically what I am saying is that the different Twilights in each alternate universe left their universes to another. Maybe a Twilight from an alternate universe came to the main timeline!


alternitive possibility, twilight spike and starlight were always there but unnoticed.

Yeah, I thought of that too, maybe it's a time paradox.

Thats what i had been thinking, ever since i saw it fore the first time.


I love the flower in your mane, very pretty! ^^<br>Nice background btw

I love the flower in your mane, very pretty! ^^
Nice background btw


Maybe in the new movie twilight did the same puzzle about the forgotten world and tried to go back there and succeeded, that is why sunny was the first alicorn after so long.


3:23 Maybe this time instead of making violent invasion Crysallis tries subtle approach by mimicking Twilight.
Since all her friends are on edge they'll be more suspicious of the fake, and this time Chrissy's plan fails and instead of her invasion being done in the shadows wheee nobody knows what's going on, it's now open.
Wonder if she will fail an active invasion or not


When I watched that episode for a second time years ago, I actually noticed that in the beginning Pinkiepie delivers a cake after they leave, then in the end the entire mane six shows up with no sign on the cake. Maybe their is something to the different timeline thing.


I love how even after MLP ended you still continue making theories and videos about it!


This reminds me of a book I read called Interworld. Not about time travel, but instead multiple universes. Basically, if there is a minor change, a new inverse will be created, but quickly merge back together. Only big changes have an impacts


Well, if time traveling worked this way, we would have two Twilights, two Starlights and two Spikes in the current timeline


This really is a paradox. It's kinda like that one twilight time travel episode. It really could be like that everytime a version of twilight,starlight and spike get back to "their original universe" (which is actually just a different timeline where they were present in the past),another version of the same event is happening and it's a constant loop. The only way to stop this loop is to alter and so it seems continuous


I feel like it's easy to say that, in true doctor who style, time was rewritten. instead of a new timeline, the same timeline just adapted to having 3 new people at the time of the rainboom.


A forgotten first timeline... That very well just might be the timeline the new G5 movie takes place on. It could explain why there is no longer magic there if Cosy Glow removed it all in the past. Why there are no alicorns left if Twilight was gone and Tia could not find a replacement before they retired. This could explain so much about the G5 world.

@AnnaBell Flurry Heart could still since she was just a child during g4

I've seen several people say this in the comments, yet it makes no sense. Friendship and unity = magic. Since there is no friendship between the races and most likely none amongst themselves, there is no magic whatsoever. The windigos were defeated in season 9, allowing the races to live on like this. The reason there are no alicorns is because alicorns are not immortal. Twilight sparkle was by no means immortal. They may have a prolonged lifetime, but eventually they kick the bucket when they served their purpose. The reason there are no Alicorns is because there's no magic. Twilight sparkle made herself into an alicorn. She had enough magic and friendship inside of her to do it, something that's not possible in the g5 world.


I think one thing we all have in mind is what twilight's reign will look when her friends aren't here anymore. Since she is the princess of friendship, she will either have the shortest reign maintain friendships with inmortal beings like discord (who i also worry for thinking about Fluttershy s death), or getting corrupted like nightmare moon.


There's also the possiblity that them going back in time was part of the main timeline, sort of like a paradox. They're there, they always were.


If I can jump the gun a bit here, the only way we saw the rainboom before this whole thing was the flashback, which was from rainbow’s point of view. Twilight and starlight could’ve been there the whole time, we just couldn’t see them because rainbow never noticed them. Which means there might not be an abandoned, lost, <b>original</b> world, because we’re still in it.

If I can jump the gun a bit here, the only way we saw the rainboom before this whole thing was the flashback, which was from rainbow’s point of view. Twilight and starlight could’ve been there the whole time, we just couldn’t see them because rainbow never noticed them. Which means there might not be an abandoned, lost, *original* world, because we’re still in it.


If this was indeed true, then where was the original Twilight in the alternate universe? We know she does exist since the castle wouldn't have existed without Twilight... This makes me think that perhaps they swapped universes lol. But since there is still a Twilight in the current universe we started out in, nothing bad will happen in both universes...

Maybe they were overwritten and just vanished after our twilight, starlight, and spike arrived. Or maybe in this universe they existed but were different. Maybe starlight was never the villain and twilight was still just a normal unicorn somewhere in the world. Same for spike. And when our princess twilight came it changed the memories of everyone she was close with and added the castle. And there opposites just somehow never found out. Maybe spike is living in with the rest of the dragons at that volcano and if starlight remand in her village weather she was evil or not, she likely couldn’t of found out either as even in the og world she didn’t know of princess twilight until she showed up. And twilight maybe ended up like moon dancer to focused on study’s, only going from her home to the library never actually paying attention or noticing her new look alike princess.

@John Harris  <b>TVA HAS ENTERED THE CHAT</b>

@John Harris  *TVA HAS ENTERED THE CHAT*

Since the altered timeline twilight would've also gone through the time travel scenario, they ether would've merged by both returning to the same timeline at exactly the same time and space. Or created an infinite series of identical timelines, with the twilight from the altered timeline jumping into an identical duplicate timeline, the twilight from that one doing the same, ad infinitum.

It could also be possible that og twilight ended up back in the original timeline, and the altered timeline exists separately with it's own version of twilight.

Assuming it's actually branching time travel, instead of re-write time travel

Without knowing the exact rules of time travel in mlp its hard to speculate. It's even possible that the method of time travel used, different spells, possibly even the caster themselves, have different rules of time travel between them.

@John Harris Better hope they don't get pruned by the TVA.

This is like the Sunnie-dox as I have dubbed it. Basically not every world/timeline/universe matches up 100%. It could very well be that Sunset, Starlight, Trixie, and Twilight are all variants of Twilight sent to the same universe as foals to play off each other so that one comes out on top and becomes an Alicorn to rival the Sisters.

Yea, I’d rather that idea better be right


If you want to be an optimist about it, we can assume another Twilight from another branch returned to the "first" branch. It's not technically the same Twilight, but it's close enough.


What if the wasteland timeline is a result of the original timeline, I know you covered it in another video but I feel like both that theory and mine could both be a part of why it is the way it is.


I assumed the rainboom incident was close enough to the original for it to merge back into the first timeline. Mainly because I also went down this thought exercise and decided I dont want to think about a bad timeline 😅


I mean with the theory of quantum entanglement yes, it's very reasonable to suspect the timeline never re-merged and the old timeline continued without


I mean... Thinking about it, wouldn't each timeline have its own version of Twilight in the future? That should be no different for the "extra spectators" timeline. But there's no second Twilight in the future we see, so I think that it's more likely that Twilight, Spike, and Starlight returned to their own timeline, the original.


this theory is very good, but remember that the time travel spell that Starlight used is the same one that Twilight used and both are created by Star Swirl, the only difference is the date you can travel to and the duration of the spell. and as we know, Twilight found her version of the past and nothing bad happened when she came back, probably when Starlight used it to travel through time, the 2 ponies and spike were still in that timeline doing their thing so when they came back they should to have resumed the current present without any change


In the other timelines, we never met those realities' Twilight Sparkles in the present.  How did Twilight Sparkle's life turn out if the failed the entrance exam - if Spike didn't hatch at that time.   It seems the main timeline's Twilight Sparkle, Spike and Starlight Glimmer were protected from the changes, but the might have been the possibility of observing their alternate selves if they chose to.

What if a Twilight Sparkle from one of the alternate timelines protected herself from the temporal changes and still exists in the restored or new main timeline.

The "abandoned" original timeline might explain some things.  Like how the CMC's abilities differ between "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils" and "Growing Up is Hard to Do".  Could one minor change lead them to be unable to use a train without adult supervision when they were fully capable before.  Their parents, sisters, etc raised them just different enough that they weren't as independent.

What if the abandoned timeline is the timeline G5 is derived from?  Everything fell apart after Twilight Sparkle, Spike, and Starlight Glimmer vanished.
Sunny's impression of the Main Six seems to be as they were before "the future" seen in "The Last Problem".  What if the available artifacts on the Mane Six end at the end of Season 5?  That was the last version of Twilight Sparkle known to exist.  Where she ended up nopony knows? ...


I'm pretty sure that the forgotten timeline would end up turning into the mlp g5 . After all,  it feels like in that timeline, all of the things Twilight said were thrown out the window and because we know alicorns live longer than normal earth ponies , pegasi and unicorns , I think that Twilight , if she was even there, would of changed the way everypony thought about one another but because her time there was cut short , ponies know who Twilight was but all of her speeches had been forgotten.


Moral of the Story: Never, Ever, No Matter What, Use Time Travel.

Never<br>Except If it's turn into a loop timeline

Never
Except If it's turn into a loop timeline

@VOYAGEURS TV A Game Theory!

The Chronotrigger episode called, they want their timetravel back.


But if they went to the future of the “new” future, wouldn’t there be 2 twilight’s?