I personally think that time travel in mlp works a bit different. Notice that there seem to be no twilight from the alter universes. The way I see it work is, picture something like a future vision. There are many futures that exists, but only one becomes the true one. Now apply it to alternative timelines. There is only one true timeline, the others are just what "could have been if-". And the reason why there is no other twilight in this timeline is because there is only one twilight in one point of time... it would be easier to show it with a drawing or something, but imagine a line (timeline) but with a way thiner, empty line inside of it; next to this line there's a thin line that could fit perfectly in that empty spot but it’s not the one that is supposed to be there (it's our twilight, starlight and spike) these lines used to be connected at one point in time, but with sonic rainboom (or its absence) they split. I don't know if the way I'm explaining this is clear, but in short, there can exist only one timeline at a time, and you cannot add more to these timelines from other timelines, like more people. What do you guys think?


I like to think this is running on similar time travel rules to what the Marvel Cinematic Universe is using these days, but without infinity stones or a TVA to regulate anything. Of course, this would mean a rogue time traveler like, say, Starlight Glimmer in this case, would actually turn out to be quite inconsequential from the perspective of the world she left behind, but Twilight doesn’t necessarily know that, and there’s no reason to expect she should, prompting her to chase Starlight anyway.

It’s not the same rules because, among other things, they didn’t seem able to go back to their own “present”, but they also didn’t encounter themselves in subsequent transports back to Young Rainbow Dash’s Rainboom event.

… This is why time travel plots need to be handled with the utmost care…

I like to think this is running on similar time travel rules to what the Marvel Cinematic Universe is using these days, but without infinity stones or a TVA to regulate anything. Of course, this would mean a rogue time traveler like, say, Starlight Glimmer in this case, would actually turn out to be quite inconsequential from the perspective of the world she left behind, but Twilight doesn’t necessarily know that, and there’s no reason to expect she should, prompting her to chase Starlight anyway.

It’s not the *same* rules because, among other things, they didn’t seem able to go back to their own “present”, but they also didn’t encounter themselves in subsequent transports back to Young Rainbow Dash’s Rainboom event.

… This is why time travel plots need to be handled with the utmost care…


There’s one reason I think the merged timelines theory (or any other theory where twilight spike and starlight comes back to the original timeline) is correct is because if they time traveled to a new timeline, then where is that timeline’s twilight starlight and spike? If a new timeline was made but with basically no changes to the original, then twilight starlight and spike would come back to a timeline where they already exist in the same way as the original. <br>Also I just hope that they come back to the original timeline, bc the separate timeline with twilight spike and starlight disappearing is really sad ;-;

There’s one reason I think the merged timelines theory (or any other theory where twilight spike and starlight comes back to the original timeline) is correct is because if they time traveled to a new timeline, then where is that timeline’s twilight starlight and spike? If a new timeline was made but with basically no changes to the original, then twilight starlight and spike would come back to a timeline where they already exist in the same way as the original.
Also I just hope that they come back to the original timeline, bc the separate timeline with twilight spike and starlight disappearing is really sad ;-;


I admit it's a fun theory you've crafted, but I do have to throw one possible stray hair. There is a Bacon Haired former protoge that at this time Twilight would have already redeemed and could come back to fill in for the role. And in fact could cause things to alter even more drastically.


Well here's my thoughts on this. After Twilight, Starlight and Spike went back to the alternate time-line, a mysterious person casts a spell on ponyvill, a spell that turns ponies into anime humans. Strange, I know. After that, Celestia made another version of Twilight named Twi-Chan. And ever since then, everything was the same as the alternate time-line. So yeah....That's my thoughts are. Please correct me if I'm wrong 🙂.


Prompt for some theories: If you were to bring your phone into a different timeline and call someone who still has that number in that timeline, would it call the timeline that you came from or the timeline that you entered? Or both? What if in the timeline you entered, there was a different person with the same number?


There's still a remaining timeline that wasn't uncovered yet, the timeline where Starlight wins, where Equality rules.


I’m just going to go with, starlight, twilight and spike were always meant to be at the rainboom from the beginning they were always there and will always be there. Because it’s part of what happened. Kinda like when twilight went back to warn her past self, that event had to happen so that twilight could get worried about a disaster and go crazy to then end up trying to go back and warn herself not to worry which just makes it a loop. I feel like if starlight, spike and twilight were not present during the rainboom then a different timeline would occur. Because they were meant to be there having a feud changing timelines and ultimately not changing anything and going back to the present. Like that event in itself was always going to happen and will happen.


Omgosh I am so creeped out right now. I feel like that’s completely possible and the thought of what Equestria would look like without Twilight is scaring me.


Though I agree that the timeline they arrived at the end are not the one they left, but I don't think the original universes is left abandoned. There should be a loop here where the twilight and starlight in the current universes left this universe then the twilight and starlight from the other unvierse will arrive at this universe and replace them, this happen to every universe during this time and that may explain why we didn't found another twilight and starlight in the following episodes, because if they arrived at the universe where twilight and starlight didn't depart, there will be two twilight and starlight in the same universe, and since twilight are already friends with the other five main characters at this point, plus they live in the same place. two twilight will almost certainly notice the existence of each other. Since we didn't see a second twilight in the followings episodes, I believe they are the one and only in the universe, but probably not the one that belong to that universe.


What if celestia had a "vision" and saw the chaos about to acurr and, being celestia decided to let it happen but before starlight got the spell she altered it  in a way that wouldnt affect their current timeline


And the time travel paradox? You know, it may be possible that grown Twilight, Starlight and Spike could have been in the original world. It is shown when Twilight tried to warn herself that everything was okey and she freaked out because she saw her future self. Of course, with Starlight's spell, the effects were longer.


Two Theories

1. Has Flim and Flam been reformed yet? The only thing I know is that they have because they helped the Mane Six from Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow.

2. When you were talking about Sunset Shimmer and Sunburst being brother and sister and Luster Dawn having Sunburst and Trixie as parents, I think that Sunset is Luster's aunt.


Maybe the original timeline was well sort of distorted or abandoned due to 1 of the princesses vanishing from one timeline to another, and without the power of friendship and the friendship school, their nations COULD have been at war (Basically the dragons and possibly the yaks which get the ponies involved, and every other creature so that Equestria and places beyond them are just a wasteland, and going on, it would just be a total worry to Celestia. Nobody is there but possibly the 2 sisters, and their roles wouldn't matter. Here's why.) My theory on the reason dragons would go to war is because without Spike and Starlight having their special connection with Ember, she wouldn't probably even remember any of that. While Pinkie Pie would still be in the abandoned timeline, and the nations probably at war, she probably would have already been gone forever, (killed possibly) the yaks would go to war as well. That's just my theory, because without the magic of friendship, none of the stuff that Twilight, Spike, and Starlight did wouldn't have mattered. Now, continuing on..

Tirek could come back, Cozy Glow could as well, Chrysalis could become the changelings ruler again and make them turn back to the love-absorbing creatures they were, King Sombra could go back to ruling the Crystal Empire, and enslave the ponies, Starlight though..? Everything she did.. wouldn't make sense in that realm. None of anything she did would have mattered, because she flopped dimensions and so when one villain does, none of their remaining power stays. Also, without Twilight, her friends would be lost with what to do with Equestria, and wouldn't probably even THINK to spread friendship if the true leader of the subject was gone.. That's just what I think though. Anyone agree? (SORRY IT WAS SO LONG LOL)


dude, i absolutely love theories like this


I have a theory, with the metaphor of: Time is like a river, where the smallest change will change everything, but still recover with time. I imagine this like a kind of rock, Starlight stopping the Rainboom is like a gigant rock that made totally different timelines, but she and Twilight only standing there is like a very tiny rock, maybe Rainbow will only have a kind of deja vu with Twilight, Spike and Starlight becouse she saw them as a kid )?

I don't know is just me making stupid theories xD

i just wanna say zecora said something like this in one of the other timelines lol

This makes sense. More sense than you probably thought


Then there's considering that this time travel happened because of magic instead of physics, meaning the possible precise mechanics are likely pulling from a different list.


What if Twilight and Starlight being there was already accounted for in the timeline they were from? Maybe it works like the first time Twilight used Star Swirl's time spell and it actually doesn't make any difference.


There's always the other probability of them being stuck in a paradox. <br>That they were always there to see the rainboom in the first place

There's always the other probability of them being stuck in a paradox.
That they were always there to see the rainboom in the first place


I think that, since it’s not mentioned that anyone saw the three of them, I wouldn’t really affect anything. If an omniscient, unseen spectator went back in time but didn’t interact with anyone or anything, it wouldn’t change much of anything.


Watch out! Here comes the fan fics about the lost timeline!

...Actually that would be pretty interesting though

<b>opens up wattpad</b> ILL GET RIGHT ON IT-

@Juliet Hartshorn Who knows, like would there be more than one mirror world? Or is there just one world, because I have no idea

@Hayami Hinata actually, that's a cool thought.  Would creating a new timeline is Equestria's universe also create a new timeline in CHS's universe?

Yeah, plus then there would be some other groups that would largely be affected by the loss of Twilight, and Starlight.

My main example would be the human seven, as there are at least two occasions where Sunset heading to see either of them helped. Starlight was the main contributor to stopping Juniper Montage, and Twilight gave Sunset the information that helped her stop Wallflower.

So the human seven would either all be in prisoned in Juniper’s mirror forever, or Sunset would be shunned from the entirety of CHS and who knows what would happen from there.


Perhaps it's a paradox, where Twilight, Starlight, and Spike were ALWAYS in the original timeline. That's the answer I came up with, personally.


Hang on a second, Sawtooth. If the new timeline that branches off from the rainbow ends up identical to the original forgotten timeline, then that timeline would still have it's own versions of Starlight and Twilight, meaning
1: The new timeline has 2 Starlights and 2 Twilights, which would only make sense since the forgotten timeline has 0 Starlights and 0 Twilights. If the new timeline doesn't merge with the original one, then it doesn't make sense that the new Starlight and Twilight merge with the old Starlight and Twilight, so these duplicates have to be out there somewhere. (One interesting idea is that, after having to go undercover because of their new selves arriving and taking their place, they might have discovered where they came from, decided to go there, and prevented the forgotten timeline from ever going south in the first place)

But more importantly...

2: Since this new timeline would have its own Starlight and Twilight anyway, they too would go through the exact same sequence of Starlight going back in time and Twilight trying to stop her. This means that the new Starlight and Twilight would also attempt to go back in time, only to encounter duplicate versions of their other selves in the original timeline attempting to do the same thing, which would only cause confusion and more multiversal mayhem.

Come to think of it, every timeline that Twilight visits will already have another version of Twilight in it somewhere, but in the timelines where the sonic rainboom was prevented somehow, this doesn't present any issue because the versions of Twilight in those timelines would have grown up in a way that drastically changes their destinies, so we can assume that the original Twilight didn't run into the other versions of herself simply because those other versions would be in some obscure locations. If you just so happen to see this comment, I think this would be a good topic for you to cover.


Everyone here seems to have forgotten about the table, a way for the Tree of Harmony to project it's will still being there, after Twilight returned to present, every time.<br>Meaning no branching timelines, it was always one timeline, and the Tree was able to resist the change, or smthn.

Everyone here seems to have forgotten about the table, a way for the Tree of Harmony to project it's will still being there, after Twilight returned to present, every time.
Meaning no branching timelines, it was always one timeline, and the Tree was able to resist the change, or smthn.


Yes, but this is under the assumption that time splits into alternate universes- which is only one interpretation of time travel. If anything, I think MLP time travel works a lot like Harry Potter time travel with a few key differences, going off the ninja twilight episode. I think they just messed with one timeline, and caused the same timeline to warp. By changing how they affected the timeline, the changes also were affected, until they were left with a timeline that, for all intents and purposes, is the same.


Yeah, can never be missing in some multiverse, the darkest and most secret line


I have another thing to bring to the table, what if, if they did in fact make a new timeline, but still went back to their own timeline, greatly affect that timeline still? they may not have done anything to change anything, however, the timeline where they were present for the rain boom could have still greatly affected said timeline. after all, seeing a unicorn in cloudsdale would be suspect enough, but to see a baby dragon AND a NEVER BEFORE SEEN ALICORN would alert someone right? Not to mention seeing them suddenly disappear into a vortex is not exactly helping. What would happen after that?


They'd find a way to stop the chaos in the abandoned timeline somehow, they still have the rest of the main 6, and maybe the 6 creatures that hoes to twilights school may become the new protectors?


Honestly nameless's non-answer tells a lot. "Some things are better left unknown" sounds a lot like "you wouldn't like the answer" to me


I haven’t thought about that in a long time but I feel like the original timeline one of the villains Would’ve taken over the timeline in the original timeline but then at the same time it feels like a big difference happened because after the time travel episode it feels like The original timeline is now destroyed and all the ponies from that timeline would of turned into slaves or died Or something threatening or scary would of happened to all of those ponies:(


Dude...This could be a ground breaking theory! Or maybe even a fan world


MLP Is one of my most favorite shows (it's wierd since i'm 13) And i almost started to cry how depressing IT was


If this was true, wouldn’t the timeline Sunset went to with all her friends have no Twilight?


Also think about this, if they are in a new timeline, then the timeline they are in, already has a twilight. Or the two twilights happen to be doing the same thing the same time, making the two switch universes. That also means the universes the two twilights were in were indentical.

Let that sink in (not being rude).


In my opinion, If anyone saw spike, starlight and/or twilight, the timeline they will go through would be different. However, if they weren't seen, they will come back to their original timeline.


Maybe they always went back in time, so them standing there didn't create anything new. This would solve the depressing timeline dilemma


This timeline theory sounds kinda similar to how time travel works in Back To The Future, and I say this because in the first movie after all that's happened during that entire week Marty spent in 1955 with him trying to reunite his parents so they can fall in love, get married and give birth to him and his older brother and sister, when he successfully got back to his own time in 1985 thanks to 1955 Doc Brown's assistance to help him catch and harness the bolt of lightning at the clock tower into the DeLorean's flux capacitor to power it up to send him back, the next morning after he woke up and walked around his house, he saw that everything including his parents, siblings and even Biff Tannen were quite different and in many ways a very significant upgrade from the mediocre, depressing mess that he remembered living in originally (and as well as the local mall's name being changed from Twin Pines Mall to Lone Pine Mall because he accidentally ran over one of Mr. Peabody's cherished pine trees while hurriedly driving away from his farm), however, the rest of Hill Valley and all the history that happened there, in the U.S. and the rest of the world seemed to play out exactly the same.

So if time travel in MLP and the world of Equestria operated in such a similar way, then that would mean that the changes would be relatively minor with only Twilght, Starlight and Spike noticing the biggest details but the rest of Equestria and everything that happened during their lifetimes remains exactly the same, but that's just the way I'm personally seeing this theory play out when I thought about such a scenario.


I just assumed it was a merge personally, or that from the get go, Twilight and Starlight and Spike were always there at the Rainboom Race because... Well that's what always happened. Absolutely chilling theory tho 10/10


there is one problem with this theory, if they moved to a different timeline, what happened to the original starlight twilight and spike of the different timeline?

@KPo time travel seems to work differently in Its About Time than it does in The Cutie Re-Mark. It’s very confusing and any possible explanation for it results in endless problematic paradoxes and canon-shattering issues. There’s no right way to do it. Try coming up with any theory, and they’ll be a way to contradict it.

@Paige Animates They do because we've seen twilight time travel to warn herself not to worry in it's about time. Why would she stay existing in that timeline but not in this timeline? It just doesn't make sense

They don’t exist because they came from the past. Don’t ask any further questions because my brain might explode

True. That confirms that the two timelines merged back together

Cuz it was basically the same timeline so they still went on that crazy adventure

Using the diagram he used in the video, the single original timeline basically split up into two, and created a "variant". If you watch the series Loki, I think he was using the logic from that show bc it's all about different timelines and universes being altered. I only watched the first few episodes so far and have a decent understanding

i feel like they didnt <b>move</b> per se to a new timeline, their actions during the time travel more like created that new timeline. or something? in just guessing here really but it seems like the most simple reason

i feel like they didnt *move* per se to a new timeline, their actions during the time travel more like created that new timeline. or something? in just guessing here really but it seems like the most simple reason

They travelled back in time and never returned

In other video Sawtooth talked about loops, so my guess is that this trio from alternate timeline wasn't replaced, they just went back in time like the original ones. Loop closed, original timeline still abandoned...

The original twilight, starlight and spike in the original timeline would probably have been there in the original timeline up until the season 5 finale but then they would have time travelled and became the twilight, starlight and spike that went to the alternate timeline

In my opinions. Each timelines twilight, starlight, and spike swapped. And each timeline continued as normal

Maybe there weren‘t other starlights, twilights and spikes because the timeline didn‘t exist before. Maybe that timeline was basically the original timeline, but it diverged as soon as twilight, starlight and spine got there, which would maybe result in only one pair of them because if they were already there when the timeline was just created then there wouldn‘t have to be a second set because they have been there since the beginning of the timeline… idk

Eventually, we end up with a universe with a Human Sunset Shimmer.

I was just thinking the same thing, I doubt them coming back to the present would mean that the other version of them canceled out so where are they. If the other timeline of them are there we would have seen them by now so it can't be that. If the time travel sent them back to the present after that timelines twilight spike and starlight traveled back into the past does that mean that there is another set of timelines being made by that twilight, spike, and starlight; something is not adding up.


I think you’re right sawtooth Cause starlight made lots of changes to the timeline but being there was already a change so I think there is a forgotten timeline But I think that forgotten timeline may have been a cozy glow timeline because even with or without the school of friendship She may have  penpal TRECk And gather enough artifacts to drain all the magic So with all that evidence the forgotten timeline is officially a Cozyglow timeline


Idk if there are branch timelines like in marvel, I think there’s probably just the one timeline that keeps getting altered by starlight- if the timeline was changed by them being at the race then the original timeline probably just doesn’t exist anymore


If the original one was supposedly forgotten would the elements really work in the alternate timeline? Yes Twilight is still the same pony,same for the other elements of harmony. But still,the elements should work with the actual holders,even if its just the same pony from a different timeline


Didn’t a large boom happen after they’d returned, and the scroll was absorbed into the time-travel-portal? I interpreted that as time having been restored… since none of the other universes/timelines did that.


I can see you turning this into your own original fanfic series called “The Ninth Timeline” where future Twilight, Spike & Starlight discover they been living in an alternative universe and not their original one.


Oh man, you could use this to explain G5. Twilight disappeared, and Cozy Glow drained all the magic from Equestria. The three tribes fought over who was responsible and they all split up.


I’m going to say this first… Your theory is good. Quite an interesting thought experiment. But I have my own thought experiment… one that says that Twilight, Spike, and Starlight all returned to the original timeline. Here’s my evidence:

Based on the events of the Doctor Who Monthly Audio Adventures (the 8th Doctor stories Storm Warning - The Girl Who Never Was), it’s possible to be down or up a person initially at a fixed point in time, and for the overall Prime timeline to continue on unabated. Let me explain the Doctor Who story “Storm Warning” by Alan Barnes.

In the events of that story, the British Airship R101 departs from England with a total occupancy crew of 54 persons. Among those onboard is Lord Tamworth the “Air Minister,” an undisclosed VIP (which brings the total passenger count to 56 because this VIP has a necessary doctor) and one Charlotte Pollard. Through the events of the story, the VIP, Charlotte at the last second, and Lord Tamworth leave the R101 and right around 2am, the ship suffers a breach of its Hydrogen airbags. While she stabilizes, it’s too late for the crew to save the ship. The R101 crashes into a hill in northern France, killing all those still onboard.

In the story, this leaves only 53 souls still on the ship at the time of crash, which should be a problem as it’s reported that all 54 were killed. Yet it’s revealed that time has continued to go on as if all 54 were dead.

Need I also mention the story “Scaredy-cat” where a virgin world in its early history suffers from a mass extinction event? In that story, The Doctor’s companion C’rizz (pronounced Kehrizz) gives the early colonists of the virgin world a vaccine to a deadly plague that was off world in origin. This should’ve altered the timeline, which goes on to show a civilization developing on the virgin world’s sister exobody. That civilization vows to never colonize their moon (the virgin world) out of an abundance of respect for the ecosystem of that world, and as a reminder of what they should strive for. But there wasn’t enough vaccine given. Time sorted out those kinks.

What I’m trying to get at is that sometimes, Time itself looks at these issues and brushes them under the rug. Three extra spectators are but a tiny detail that couldn’t make that much of a ripple in the time stream.


Idk if this makes sense, but my headcanon is that going back in time is like a reset, like they rewind everything that happens up until the point in the past which in this case is the race that caused the rainboom. Since Twilight and Starlight went through time using the spell, this memory wipe/reset had no effect on them. When nothing changed in the last reset except for the fact they were there, life just continued on as if you pressed play on the remote of the original timeline. A much less depressing theory even if it doesn’t make as much sense


I'd make a slight tweak. It's not that the original timeline is forgotten. The spell's implied to retain a connection to the point of origin. Rather, using the spell CREATED a timeline where they never returned. Just as much as there are the timelines where the friendships where never forged.


Wait, but in all the timelines possible from this, Twilight and Starlight were in them but as a fillies. And as for Spike, his egg was still laid, he would have still hatched. Starlight and Twilight would have been there in the ‘original timeline’. Things only started to change AFTER Starlight stopped the rain boom, and Twilight, Spike and Starlight existed at that point.


"Do I look like a search engine to you?" Best line ever 😃


What makes you think Twilight, Spike, and Starlight weren't at the original timeline's Rainboom?

Remember that the unmodified spell creates a time loop that PREVENTS changes. If it's the same spell, just modified to ALLOW changes, then choosing to change nothing leads back to the self-sustaining time loop.

By this theory, then, because Starlight cast the spell, there exists no timeline where there were no witnesses to the event that could theoretically result in a Sonic Rainboom. Every version of the timeline includes the three people arriving there through a time portal. Starlight's modification allowed for a grandfather paradox by allowing her to change things such that nopony cast the spell in the new timeline's future, but it didn't prevent the past of the timeline in which she cast the spell from having always had her portal appear in its own past.


Are you telling me that the abandoned timeline turns Equestria into a place without magic, who possibly, let's say, eventually leads to other series of unfortunate events? For example.....becoming a world filled with "paranoia and distrust"? Sound familiar?

Because to me, it sounds like G5.


To also think that the main 6 or 5 without twilight, would be heartbroken.
And also how many ponies would of perished in the snow, maybe even flurry and royal family themselves, or the royal sisters.
God brining back old memories of those “sad” mlp complications-


Here's a dark theory: what if the final timeline we were shown was the forgotten one? Maybe Spike's irrational fear of a changeling-dragon war wasn't so irrational after all...<br>Edit: just figured out this idea already exists, just ignore me.

Here's a dark theory: what if the final timeline we were shown was the forgotten one? Maybe Spike's irrational fear of a changeling-dragon war wasn't so irrational after all...
Edit: just figured out this idea already exists, just ignore me.


Considering the amount of variation that can happen and the ruling that the multiverse creates branches when something happens that causes history to change course, there isn't going to be a new world created every time someone chooses what they want to eat for breakfast. No historical impact, the choices simply blend together into a single world. It could cause a dissonance of misremembering things, but would not create a new world


Even if this theory is correct, and I believe it is since I thought of this before, who's to say a new set of heros or the rest of the main 6 don't find a way to overcome these upcoming catastrophes. After all Equestria was fine for a thousand years since the banishment of Nightmare Moon without Twilight to intervene


You know this could be the reason the ponies in G5 are divided, maybe in the original timeline Twilight never returns, the rest of the Mane 6 find that she and Spike disappeared and even when they try their best to search all over Equestria. Twilight is never found, and without the Princess of Friendship things go south from there. Even if the rest of the Mane 6 tried their best to live up to Twilight’s element of magic they know that they can’t be the elements of harmony without her. And even if Celestia began to search for another student to take the path like Twilight, she knows nopony could surpass what Twilight had already done. And since it didn’t take much for ponies to turn onto each other, this caused the great divide among the tribes and friendship had failed. The rest of the Mane 6 couldn’t live forever, so they did what they could even if it was to the smallest degree. Perhaps the idea that alicorns don’t actually live with immortality and they eventually die like other ponies, perhaps Celestia and Luna were able to transfer their Alicorn magic into the three crystals one for Earth Ponies, Unicorns and Pegasi magic and sacrificing what little magic they could save. And in hope that somepony could bring back the power of friendship.


This is actually a really creepy idea. The sudden and inexplicable disappearance of an Equestrian princess would plunge the nation into shock and anguish, leaving it open to whatever dark threats lurk beyond their borders.


You refer to the eight shown, but it’s possible that there were many not seen on screen.

Also: What happened to the Twilight and Starlight that are already in the new alternative main timeline in this theory?


If this theory is true than wouldn't it mean that the sawtooth in that time line would've also been trapped in prison like the other sawtooth in the changeling timeline


Personally I do think that they returned to their original timeline because they had to come up with a spell to fix the map after starlight messed with it, so if they left one timeline and came back in another where they never left in the first place then they wouldn’t need to fix anything. Also there would’ve been a twilight, starlight, and spike of the new timeline that they would have run into.


There’s technically 16 timelines if we’re counting Equestria girls as a separate timeline right?<br>Also did that change anything in that world, since they had not clue about magic at all right?

There’s technically 16 timelines if we’re counting Equestria girls as a separate timeline right?
Also did that change anything in that world, since they had not clue about magic at all right?


if it's another timeline, then there'd be 2 starlights, 2 twilights and 2 spikes. Since that isn't the case and everyone remembers their interpersonal relationships with those respective characters, clearly the timeline didn't branch off.

In other video Sawtooth talked about loops, so my guess is that this trio from alternate timeline wasn't replaced, they just went back in time like the original ones. Loop closed, original timeline still abandoned...

Yes but maybe the timeline was only just created as twilight, starlight and spike got sucked into it. Maybe before starlight used the spell, the timeline didn‘t exist and it was the same as the original timeline, and so if they were already in that timeline by the time it was created then there wouldn‘t be a second pair of them… but idk


I never thought about it like that...

oh my god...

that timeline's doomed...


Should the Twilight really left oryginal timeline all others we saw in special would been achievable, which creates a paradox which makes this theory correct


My question is, what were the main 6 and other ponies in equestria doing? How did they switch to different timelines? Were the original ones just left behind? Did twilight never come back to equestria in the other timeline?

Good video though :)

I rewatched the video and some lf my questions were answered lol


I definitely agree that there is a multiverse and that there is an lost world too because every time twilight and spike came back to the time of the rainboom they never ran into themselves like in other tv shows. So, and at the time twilight convinced starlight to let the rainboom happen there was still no sign of them there before. So, every time they started a new timeline without even realizing it.


This systematically made and ruined my day. The despair hit me like a wrecking ball


Plot twist : the wasteland timeline is the original timeline in the future only so I personally think there only 8 timelines but the theory of the 9th timeline  could be truth and you make such great content sawtooth and go so deep in mlp I mean a thought of a 9th timeline gives me chills very  great theory 👍


This is just a fun observation that I wanted to share. During the award ceremony in  Rainbow Falls, look at the cloudstale team. Half way through, they lose their medals.


there's also the possibility that starlight did. kinda a reverse travel which made them travel back to where they started at the original. but that would also mean it could start a boot strap paradox. just time travel is mean


Wait, what if the abandoned timeline is the new generations timeline? After they disappeared, cozy glow ended up getting rid of magic, and due to her being a pegasus, all three tribes separated in fear of them uprising again. Causing a divide between the three? But Sunny's dad had found twilights journal that was left behind by the main 5 after they had given up hope and disappeared as well. He reinstilled the old ways in his daughter the way twilight had written about how she was taught through celestia. It sounds plausable!


It's interesting I kind of thought there was another way of this instead of the timeline continuing I thought because they left the timeline stopped it halted because if they went back into time at that exact point they wouldn't have been able to go back so if the timeline depended on them for the future because even a small little insignificant bug disappearing from a timeline could change everything a butterfly effect would it not have halted it cuz that's what I've always thought I figured that they didn't go to the same timeline I figured that that timeline just didn't exist it stopped it halted it pause the entire universe of it that's how I've always seen it but I don't know I could be wrong I'm probably wrong but I don't know


The same thing happened for the flash where he time traveled into the past to stop his mother from being killed but he had to fix it so he did and allowed the killer to kill his mom so when he came back to the present things were not the same it was a different timeline


Wait, what if you're right, and the original timeline ended up being the one of the new generation. That would explain why nobody remenbers anything about Twilight's legacy.


I love how the Nameless one by now got annoyed at all the endless questions xD<br>Sawtooth's questions are infinite

I love how the Nameless one by now got annoyed at all the endless questions xD
Sawtooth's questions are infinite

@Twilight sparkle The princess of friendship it's the similar, abandoned timeline, it works the same way and if I remember correctly the cutie mark switch happened before the time travel, so  no it would not work like that

@Navita Dashore it a different timeline  and the possibilities  are endless a timeline  where twilight  didn't  exist <br>It could anyone

@Navita Dashore it a different timeline  and the possibilities  are endless a timeline  where twilight  didn't  exist
It could anyone

@Twilight sparkle The princess of friendship you do know that the elements of harmony are not interchangeable, right? Even after the cutie mark switch, the elements remained.

@Navita Dashore you don't need to be a unicorn to be a element of magic The element of harmony and the tree of harmony doesn't discriminant

@Twilight sparkle The princess of friendship still, she can't represent the element of magic, as she is originally a Pegasus

@Navita Dashore  maybe rainbow dash  became a alicorm in the aband timeline  and mature into great leader maybe replace twilight in that  timeline


Sawtooth please read this: Its an idea but I think that what happened in "The Forgotten world" would have been a war between the villians, their territory, and the ponies the ruled over.


I mean yah. We could do without Starlight for the most part but Twi is the only ruler that actually puts in maximum effort.


Unfortunately i think that there really is no going back because Starlight would not have reformed down the first timeline. This all causes the changes mentioned and possibly much more. It is kinda chilling to think about, BUT it’s still possible similar events could have taken place and saved everyone. That timeline might be fine. Who knows, maybe Starlight was there in the first timeline after all and everyone is still in timeline number one. The possibilities are endless.


I was thinking maybe it's possible that when the three of them came back to Twilight's castle, they ended up back in their original timeline. BUT, the 1st and 9th timeline versions of themselves were swapped, meaning that reformed Starlight is in the original world but evil Starlight is in the 9th timeline (since Starlight was bad until she reformed while in between timelines, not necessarily just in the 1st or 9th one). But if that were true, then wouldn't Starlight try the same thing again but as the 9th timeline version of her since nothing would have changed? Then 9th timeline and 10th timeline Starlight would switch, so there'd now be a good Starlight in the 9th timeline but that same bad one in the 10th. So like, a never-ending cycle that can eventually destroy the universe? Lmao


If they didn't change anything, they're just hanging out in the background while the events as we know them unravel. It's more likely it's a merge.


This might also explain the Comics!

In the Comics, Starswirl the Bearded defeated the Sirens a different way, by using music of his own in a band competition of some sort, and in another comic Sombra was reformed and was no longer a smokey figure thing....

that was all in the other timeline that we saw in Seasons 1-5, and in the end when the timeline was reset, But with you saying that 'With Starlight, Spike and Twilight just BEING there during the rainboom' is a small change might be wrong.

This small change might have fixed the timeline, but not everything. in this new timeline, Starswirl defeated the Sirens with the Pillars instead of performing in a band competition thing, and Sombra was never reformed...


in the comics, robots destroy equestria after the bearers are all dead. maybe the original timeline was destroyed by those robots, and the one twilight went to won't have that apocalypse. we've seen technology improving massively in g5 due to a lack of magic, so it makes sense.


This is good and all. And I like the effor in the video but those two would’ve still existed in the change. So while they disappeared in that portion of time when Starlight takes them back in time they would return to that space as they haven’t actually altered anything by just being there. “You can’t really squash a butterfly if your not moving” kinda deal. Also not interacting with anyone in the past basically closes all the alternate timelines too. Because at that point whenever they went back it closed the previous one. Realistically it would always be the nightmare moon one because they wouldn’t be able to stop it regardless. But yes when they travel back to their timeline it closes the other alternates, and while just having three ponies would look like it would affect something. All the alternate timelines we see are a result of interacting. Even when Twilight goes back in time to talk to herself everything plays out as it should. Because she interacted. And while that last time travel did happen they didn’t interact and so the timeline hasn’t changed meaning that if we go by the multiverse theories then they would be in the original timeline regardless because if it continuously splits regardless of actions you can only ever return to your original timeline.

I hope this made a modicum of sense.


I believe there are 2 different timelines BECAUSE the thing that is different is that Rainbow Dash, the bullies she was racing, and everypony that was watching has the memory of seeing Twilight, Spike, and Starlight. This probably resulted in confusion as Twilight is an Alicorn. There were only 3 Alicorn princesses at the time because I think we can assume that Cadence obtained her wings during or, most likely before, she started babysitting for Twilight. I'm just going to point out that Twilight didn't get her cutie mark yet during when Cadence was her babysitter because I think Twilight would NOT say, "I'm just a regular old unicorn," (in the flash backs in the wedding arc at the end of season 2) IF she found  out she was going to test to enroll in Celestia's School of Magic. Back to my original point, Seeing Twilight as a fourth Alicorn would confuse and possibly alarm the ponies that witnessed the race. It's not hard to imagine the ponies reporting sights of another Alicorn after that to the Princesses at the time. Fast forward to the last episode of season 3, there is a EXTREMELY high chance Celestia would know that Twilight was guaranteed her wings. Instead of saying "You've proven you're ready," Celestia would say something similar to I've been waiting for this moment since you've become my pupil. Twilight's friends would be surprised to learn that the purple pony they heard that's the 4th princess rumors about was Twilight. They would also have different reactions including recalling the rumors they heard. All this is only some proof that they are in another timeline. (The Twilight in said alternate timeline should be there but never appeared #unsolvedplothole) But hey, that's just a theory, A FiLm ThEoRy.

I believe there are 2 different timelines BECAUSE the thing that is different is that Rainbow Dash, the bullies she was racing, and everypony that was watching has the memory of seeing Twilight, Spike, and Starlight. This probably resulted in confusion as Twilight is an Alicorn. There were only 3 Alicorn princesses at the time because I think we can assume that Cadence obtained her wings during or, most likely before, she started babysitting for Twilight. I'm just going to point out that Twilight didn't get her cutie mark yet during when Cadence was her babysitter because I think Twilight would NOT say, "I'm just a regular old unicorn," (in the flash backs in the wedding arc at the end of season 2) IF she found  out she was going to test to enroll in Celestia's School of Magic. Back to my original point, Seeing Twilight as a fourth Alicorn would confuse and possibly alarm the ponies that witnessed the race. It's not hard to imagine the ponies reporting sights of another Alicorn after that to the Princesses at the time. Fast forward to the last episode of season 3, there is a *EXTREMELY* high chance Celestia would know that Twilight was guaranteed her wings. Instead of saying "You've proven you're ready," Celestia would say something similar to I've been waiting for this moment since you've become my pupil. Twilight's friends would be surprised to learn that the purple pony they heard that's the 4th princess rumors about was Twilight. They would also have different reactions including recalling the rumors they heard. All this is only some proof that they are in another timeline. (The Twilight in said alternate timeline should be there but never appeared #unsolvedplothole) But hey, that's just a theory, A FiLm ThEoRy.


huh....this depressing timeline of twilight, Spike, And Starlight never returning and all the horrible things to the forgotten timeline could make a pretty good Creepypasta...Sadfic/Darkfic

chrysalis has a gold mine of love if she becomes twilight and have another changeling be spike


What if time travel works both ways when you go to the past or the future the timeline has a 50% percent chance of making a new timeline same like the original or it has a 50% of going back to the original timeline, i hope this makes sense.


If I remember correctly, in Equestria Girls, Sunset attempted to destroy the portal to Equestria. But Twilight Saif that Equestria would find a way to survive without the magic element. Just pointing it out


Maybe somehow a new Twilight appeared, and the world kept going! Or… Twilight was clever enough to realize, so she went back but we didn’t see that episode!


Sawtooth you're amazing man! I mean I could have never seen MLP so deeply and with such a unique perspective! I mean hats off to you man! You're legit amazing!!


Time tends to fix itself. I believe it was merged back. Or that it was always like that.


My main problem with this idea is is that it relies on "Multiverse Theory" over "Timeline Theory". Basically, what this video is suggesting is that we see 9 different *universes*, the original universe is left behind and we continue onto other universes. However, Timeline Theory would mean that they are changing the history of one universe and not visiting multiple. I think Timeline Theory applies here since Twilight and Spike always return to the same time of day, they even mention it when they visit the timeline where Nightmare Moon reigns, Spike says something along the lines of "shouldn't it be daytime?" Could be minor and not an actual point, but why not? Plus, Multiverse Theory has a harder time holding up against Timeline Theory since we have the Mirror portals, which take us to alternate universes. I'm pretty sure that the spell only affected their universe, and therefore falls under Timeline Theory, which means that the timelines we saw didn't come to fruition (in this universe, obviously they could have in an alternate universe). This kinda specualtion, while nice to talk about, isn't something that really should be talked about frequently, since there's no real way to prove either argument since it all comes down to speculation.


I have a theory about this
(Firstly english isnt my main language so im really sorry if i made any mistakes or couldnt explain it properly)
I think when you time travel, there's no such thing as multiple timelines existing like that because the past has only been altered. You only changed the past and that resulted in it being different, the timeline mustve gotten destroyed since the reason it exists was changed. You couldn't have created a different timeline that still exits. But if you add the multiverse theory, then there is a chance that those timelines still existed and them changing the past didnt actualy change it, it only put them to a different universe where those things happened. Then that would mean that the time travel spell wasn't exactly a time travel, it would be a spell where it puts you to different universes depending on your actions.


So 8.5 timelines, because they travel to multiple futures of what happen when the rainboom is stopped, but then to the part where one is formed you were definitely correct to the part where the two peices of the timelines merge into one because there was no interference with younger rainbowdash and the rainboom.


Who else clicked like without watching the video?

Because we all know all of your videos are amazing 💕

I do that ALWAYS! <br>IS THAT EVEN A QUESTION !!!

I do that ALWAYS!
IS THAT EVEN A QUESTION !!!

I did! I know this will get a lot of likes. I was your 12th like btw.


Ya know what would be fun, if the original Universe is where the new generation is in!


Okay, so, while this series completely derails what I would like to say, I do tell myself, that it is just a kid's show.<br>I tend to go with the Grandfather Paradox. But that's just me.

Okay, so, while this series completely derails what I would like to say, I do tell myself, that it is just a kid's show.
I tend to go with the Grandfather Paradox. But that's just me.


I think that the timelines actually do end up merging. In the episode where they visit the multiverses, something caught my eye. Applejack said “what is SHE doing here?” Showing that she knew Starlight was a meany. How could she have known that if she didn’t go on the lost cutie mark adventure and meet starlight, if twilight, Starlight, and Spike never returned to the original world with the real Applejack who Twilight went on the adventure with?


I know I'm late to the party, but I think you're both over and under thinking this issue. The first thing you have to understand is HOW time travel magic works in Equestria. We know that normally, if you go into the past, your actions in the future will be preordained, and you will end up there before you even intended to go there, as shown with Twilight's own time travel adventures.

This suggests that Equestria has one fluid time line, and no branching multiverse. The issue comes with Starlight, and her Hax Mode ability to just break that established rule. When she goes into the past, she isn't creating a new timeline, she's legit rewriting history, using the Cutie Map as a anchor point to get back with, because for some reason it is a powerful enough artifact to survive a full rewrite of history, since it existed in timelines that it had no reason to be in.

So while the final timeline might have been changed in slight ways, it's still Twilight's first timeline, cause there is only the one timeline. Odds are that Twilight and Startlight's presence alone there really didn't mean anything, and they were like pebbles in the flow of time, not being big enough obstructions to actually make a difference, so long as they didn't interfere, or... just like with Twilight's original excursion in time travel, this was actually always happened, and it was just going through the motions, and RD and Fluttershy just didn't remember Twilight and Starlight being there cause they were so young. Regardless, it really seems like there is only one timeline, and all the other histories would be erased completely with each venture into the past.


What if the Abandoned Timeline was the complete destroyed empty timeline with no villain as I think sunburst would have come to ponyville because the crystal empire would be the ice age


Perhaps in the wake of the changling invasion, cozy glow would end up liberating pony kind from the changlings. in so doing instigating herself as either the ruler of equestria or celectia's next protégé destined to take her and luna's place. either way, it would be the cozy glow bad end timeline.


I know its off-topic but I wanted to share my thoughts. 4:00
I don't believe Cozy Glow wouldve befriended tirek, while the manipulating foal she is, she still is a FOAL. Without the school of friendship Cozy would not have learned of tirek, maybe she would have on her own but there's no evidence to support/deny it. I don't believe tirek would have known Cozy without the school. They only met because of the whole magic crisis so she would have no reason to turn to him. Perhaps she turned to more "local" villains such as Chrysalis, being that she isn't in Tartarus.


I know this is almost a year old
But may I propose a theory
What if the original Sonic Rainboom actually had Twilight, Spike, and Starlight as spectators?
I mean it is definitely possible. Children are Sometimes not very observant when they are focused of things and they were out of the way of the race


Thank god you said the timelines could have merged I was about to start crying


I've never before thought about timeline branches merging. Assuming the theory that every event preceeds the formation of a new branch, I can imagine a branch where Twilight and Spike never returned from that extra-dimensional escapade. Fortunately, the branch they would have finally landed at retains the history they're used to. Some version of Twilight and Spike had left there, and some version of them returned.

It's even possible that some version of Twilight and Spike returned to that original branch. There may be some version of events where they never returned, but who's to say that that version is the original branch?


Wait, so how was the timeline where starlight, spike and twilight traveled to like? Because if they traveled from the abandoned one to the other one, they must’ve met themselves or something. If they didn’t, that means that all the events that occurred after starlight, spike and twilight, must’ve been different too. Like the abandoned timeline. If you don’t get it, I’m saying, what happened to the starlight, spike and twilight in the timeline they’re currently in after the abandoned timeline versions of them traveled to it? The past events before their time travel must’ve occurred differently, otherwise they would see themselves like twilight saw her friends in other timelines. My theory is that the three of them switched places.


it sure can be an abandoned world, 'cause no matter what, if you change a single thing, even move a cloud it can have several changes, and the fact of that twilight, starlight and spike being there may not affect directly to the rainboom or the mane 6, but do to other ponies, even if there's a minimal change, it can  affect<br> everyone

it sure can be an abandoned world, 'cause no matter what, if you change a single thing, even move a cloud it can have several changes, and the fact of that twilight, starlight and spike being there may not affect directly to the rainboom or the mane 6, but do to other ponies, even if there's a minimal change, it can  affect
 everyone


And there’s a big chance you accidentally change something,like what happened in back to future;the main guy(Marty) accidentally got to the past when his parents were just friends,but when he got home agian everything was different,and was basically a whole new person


Twilight, Spike and Starlight may have returned to the same timeline because anything that happens in the past at that time must have also happened in the original timeline.


I love how this man tries to understand how time travel functions. At the end of the day, it is all confusing, and I have to comend his efforts.


I have three things to say about this… first… if starlight is never seen again, that’s not the only problem… not only equestria would see it’s fate, but the human world would also be taken over… juniper would capture the main seven in the mirror- and they would be lost forever… with no starlight to befriend her… she would take over…. Also the storm kings magic would consume the human world… so there goes that timeline…
ONE THE OTHER HAND- they would have evidence- correct me if I’m wrong… but didn’t the map come with them when they traveled through time?  The main 6 would notice the map was gone! Also… There would definitely be some point when the princesses noticed the time travel spell was gone! With that information… the main 6… or 5 in this case… COULD figure it out…. Who would ever do this? Have any enemies escaped? Were there any missing and vengeful ponies? Who is powerful enough to pull this spell off? Maybe someone powerful enough to remove your own destiny with magic… someone who escaped with a vengeful attitude… someone like starlight… She would definitely be powerful enough to tamper with a spell like that…
ON THE OTHER HAND… there is a problem with this theory… the change wouldn’t matter because these are all new timelines with them being there… let me explain… the difference in history is big… but the problem is that twilight, spike, and starlight already existed in this timeline… so if they did change timelines with this one there would be two spikes twilights and starlights… and that wouldn’t work… so that means that they did return to the original timeline… because being there simply ADDED new timelines-


it can't work that way though.

the way you're depicting it, each timeline is separate, they don't overwrite each other, and therefore the original one wouldn't be affected by the messing with time, only by the absence of twilight.

HOWEVER, starlight is supposed to be very good at magic. it would just be out of character for her to not understand what she was doing.

and you could be thinking that by dragging twilight out of the og timeline into a new one she is destroying that one's future. but that would leave room for error.

if spike hadn't touched the spell, the og timeline would be fine with only starlight missing (ofc this would result in the changeling take-over, but I'm ignoring that because that played no part in Starlights decision making here). and starlight isn't dumb, she would know that she had just one shot at getting them to follow her.

no, I think that she made the timeline overwrite itself. that would mean that regardless of if they followed or not, starlight could get her way.

idk though, i'm probably looking to deep into this


You know this theory makes a lot of sense… there’s three different methods time works and both of them are options


That always happened , the future star would always try and prevent the Sonic rainboom so they did go back to the og timeline and the reason we don't see starlight or twi is cause the og scene was focused on rainbow , not the things that happened when she wasn't around


If they really came back in a different time line then why did the new one looks exactly the same?🧐


Fun theory, maybe with twilight and spike gone, friendships slowly fade and lead to the time of G5 with how the three tribes have a dislike with one another assuming G5 is a continuation of G4


here's a new theory for you all, what if the MLP new generation movie time line takes place in the original abandoned time line in the mlp? it would explain quite alot technically thinking about it to the new generation movie story of events


I think I may know what it might look like.
Go back to twilight s words
"Or rather the present."
What if that last time-line was the cause of not having twilight.
The elements can't work anyway , if she's gone.


Your videos always creep me out, I love it!!!!


I would say you are right because of the Uncertanty Principle, the mere fact that they were there observing the Rainboom happen is a change to the timeline, so another alternate timeline is born, the problem is, where and when are the trio of that timeline? maybe while they had their own "Cutie-Remark" adventure they ended on some other alternate timeline.

Now excuse me while I go to write a grimdark fanfic about this idea.


There are different views on how time travel would work, mine is where if someone time traveled and changed something then there would be no different time lines but everyone would be affected


Here’s a theory that goes with this. This is how gen 5 came to be.
   The  Crystal Empire is not shown in the map while the father is working on Sunny’s new thing, this is because winter swallowed it up. All Crystal ponies died, and it became an unexplored area, and nobody decided to see it. Meanwhile the magic being gone was because of Cozy. The main cast who stopped her, weren’t together. No school of friendship meant that all the other creatures would just move on.
    Her father had his ancestor’s knowledge of Twilight pass down onto him. Where he taught Sunny about her as well. Though, he never went into the darkness. The main six died of age. What about the vampire Chrysalis? She dies, and she might have motivated the tribes to disconnect.
   Luna and Cylestia are not immortal. Cyl could have never found a pony, and when she did, never got to finish training them. The new generation is this abandoned time line!

 Do you think so?


I feel like Sawtooth has been doing a lot of time travel videos...

Theory: Sawtooth Waves is a real time-traveller in real life. They’re trying to add secret symbolism in their videos, and keep an eye out everyone for said symbolism.

I feel like Sawtooth has been doing a lot of time travel videos...

_Theory: Sawtooth Waves is a real time-traveller in real life. They’re trying to add secret symbolism in their videos, and keep an eye out everyone for said symbolism._


Wait, doesn’t this disprove a theory you made a while ago? In the video where you “solved Pinkie Pie” you said that the reason why she has all her weird magic abilities is because when she absorbed Discord’s chaos magic from Grogar’s Bell, all that magic spread out over her whole life. But in this video you basically say that the timeline where that happened isn’t the timeline where we met Pinkie Pie. While I suppose it’s possible it could still of happened in the original time line, it’s unlikely. Chrysalis could’ve very well succeeded in her uprising without Starlight to stand in her way. Even if that didn’t work, you said yourself it’s likely Cozy Glow would still make her grab for power, she probably would’ve succeeded without the Student Six-who only met because of Twilight’s School- to stop her. If either of these villain’s plans had worked, it’s likely Tirek, Cozy Glow, and Chrysalis never would’ve came together. Which means Pinkie Pie likely wouldn’t have been there to absorb Discord’s chaos magic from the bell. So, if that never actually happened in the original timeline, and Pinkie Pie still has her weird physics defying powers, either this theory proves that one false or that theory proves this one false.


I think that Twilight didn't even need to follow Starlight to the past. That is because as soon as Starlight travelled to the past the present should change right away because past is long time away from the present but it hasn't changed. So it looked like Starlight has changed just and only a different timeline without any way comming back to the original one and forever living in the changed one. (Of course only if travelling to the original one was impossible)


I totally agree with you about the different timeline thing, but the theory sounds far-fetched and very, very, very depressing.


isnt it canon though that celestia can solve literally every problem, and just doesnt


Someone quickly make a fanfic out of this theory

@Red Fox339 I haven't done it yet. I'll let you know.

@Ganymede the Corgi-Cat! I'll do it on Wattpad, ok?

@RandomShadow555 post it on Fimfiction!!!


I HAVE AN IDEA. What if, after they left the timeline turned into that mlp show (of which the name escapes me atm), where they just goof off carelessly? Like the first timeline recognized something important was missing (Twilight) and replaced it, somehow leading to the careless ponies we see in the show?


My thought [even though I don’t really want to talk about time traveling and stuff]:

•My thought is that, what if there was really no “Abandoned” sort of timeline? Maybe that “abandoned” timeline could be of a different story. [idk if you mentioned this part in the vid]. I think that ; ever since Twilight, Spike and Starlight left there own timeline and went into the other timeline. The story might’ve like changed or somethin’. But when they came back, they were probably in a completely different story. And then they just left it there. So, like you probably said but in MY own words, that other timeline could be abandoned. Just not completely in my POV•


My theory is that...
When twilight became the ruler in the alternate time line... few days later
The REAL twilight of alternate universe returns. At first they think that they changelings but, later Starlight realises all this time...they were in a alternate time line. They would a lot of research and then they destroy the multiverse and SET THINGS RIGHT in the original time line


So, without Twilight's element of harmony the other mane 5 can't use their respected element of harmony, thus, they won't have their means of defense


Ah, but the thing is, if the new identical timeline was created WHEN starlight cast the spell, then the original timeline would remain the same,  and the time travel would happen in the new timeline. So all of this NEVER happens to the original timeline, or any timeline for that matter. It's like this, if all this had happened, we would have seen the twilight from the new timeline. Also, I have a question, what if spike never even touched the spell parchment?


I think they would've merged. Since nothing was changed, and no one knowingly noticed the two, I think the timelines would have merged.


Here's My Theory: The Original Time line is the one that looked like a Waste land


I think that because they left that timeline, that timeline died and then when it did the worlds got unbalanced so marched the lines to balance it again, in order to do so I think it would’ve meant either the original or new timeline ponies had to vanish from existence, because twilight is in the wrong timeline it could’ve got rid of new main 6 but got rid of old ponies in the background, as they never actually had any real connections with Twilight that travelled to the other timeline. I’m not a genius though so…


What if that first abandoned timeline is where the new generation is playing, it would then make sense why Twilight Disappeared


Am I the only one who thinks that Sawtooth has the best narrator/storyteller voice? It’s perfect!


But wait! The "original timeline" you're talking about probably isn't the real original timeline. Because you made a video explaining the loop where Twilight got a visit from her future self and panicked about a desaster that never happened. If that theory is correct, then the timeline where something did go wrong that day would be the original timeline, wouldn't it?


Wouldn't they have swapped timelines with another trio? Otherwise there would be double ups in the new timeline.


Actually the timelines would re emerge since the events have been put back on course the timeline would continue down the path it would have initially gone to on it as if the time travel never happened.


Hey, wait, remember that principal cinch? <br>From the battle of the bands? Leaving cadence as the vice principal, could cinch be the first princess before cadence?

Hey, wait, remember that principal cinch?
From the battle of the bands? Leaving cadence as the vice principal, could cinch be the first princess before cadence?


If no one adopted the previous timeline, temporal scavengers would attack. There would be a version of Discord there who might adopt it.


Time is like a flower it can grow in many ways but what if twilight and Spike and starlight were already at the original time like making it a loop another thing is time works differently in every world meaning it has an infinite amount of ways to work so time is one of the most confusing things to talk about as it has so many different ways to work and it has many things to consider as well


"Can you make an episode about what limbo looks like?  Do you just disappear into outer space?  Do you go into a specific universe?  Or something else?"

-my five year old who loves your channel


I’m not sure that this theory would make sense. Their presence would change something but another alternate universe would be created, like how starlight made them. And even if what you said was the case, they could just go back to the place that they used to be couldn’t they? Because like I said, their presence would make an alternate universe


Every other Friday I get so excited for Sawtooth's vids ❤


Sawtooth waves: this timeline is even creepier than everything else. Me: This is the most saddest timeline ever!!!!


Wouldn't fixing the timeline bring you back to the moment before you started messing with it first?


They returned to the worpd where Twilight, Spike, Starlight left, so them of new dimension returned to another dimension and it's Twilight,Starlight,Spike left eather and etc.<br>If we think that our main timeline is the first to start this chain of movements between realities, than main timeline is abandoned, in  other case another Twilight,Starlight,Spike just came there.

They returned to the worpd where Twilight, Spike, Starlight left, so them of new dimension returned to another dimension and it's Twilight,Starlight,Spike left eather and etc.
If we think that our main timeline is the first to start this chain of movements between realities, than main timeline is abandoned, in  other case another Twilight,Starlight,Spike just came there.


Do you think that since the world had its way of going it would’ve just replaced the answers with solutions like
The main six had been the answer to solving most of the issues but if some are gone wouldn’t they had just been replaced
Or would’ve the world had took a different turn into chaos
If the world had lost an answer to a problem wouldn’t it had just been replaced with a solution so that the world could live on with its timeline
Wouldn’t this just had been a bump in many like it
Would all this happend the same like when sunset took out her other self so she could live in the human world?
Or would it have just been a bump for the timeline and no one notice


im just going to pretend that I never saw this video because it makes me depressed inside- great theories though!! they really make you think deeper into what actually happened-


Here's a thought, what if the Sonic Rainboom isn't just a magical sonic boom? What if the power of the rainboom is caused by a spark of friendship? Sure, we know it has to be done by a strong and fast flyer, but no one had ever seen one until Rainbow Dash, the bearer of the Element of Loyalty, an element of friendship. That rainboom connected the mane six through their cutie marks, but what if it goes deeper? What if the rainboom was a direct result of their friendship? Twilight is the Princess of friendship, and her friends are what helped her to become who she was, and friendship is the most powerful magic there is, so what if Twilight getting through to Starlight was the last spark of magic needed to cause a sonic rainboom?

(I admit, there are some flaws but it's just something to think about)


I think they stayed in the same one because starlight just recently became friend with the mane 6, there was no history about it because it was a new thing. There wouldn’t be any other history ! There probably wouldn’t be another timeline about it


Just say,"Because, magic". Otherwise, you are going to have 2 sets of time travelers in one world, and none in the other.


Wow I've ALWAYS thought about this kind of thing happening, not just in MLP but in other time travel stories too, and I never saw anyone talk about it, thanks.


But what if those three were always in the original timeline, just behind or above our vision of it? It could also be that they are not shown, as neither Flutters nor Dash remembered them.


@Sawtooth Waves, This is an interesting theory for the show and I would like to know what happens to the original timeline if it did change like what you said. But this is Hasbos we talking about and they make children's shows. So don't think too hard on time travel and the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff from Doctor Who. It may a core in Doctor Who which they themselves a family show. But I do like your prosrop on this show.


Cozy glow may have not tried her scheme because according to her when the main 6 came back according to Cozy glow she said that (you taught me that friendship is power)is they taught her that but the school of friendship had encouraged her to do it so she may have not tried her scheme


That explains the major changes in MLP: FiM.


I'm glad that new theories and content is still showing up just as it was before the ending of the series. <3<br>Watching these videos fills with nostalgia

I'm glad that new theories and content is still showing up just as it was before the ending of the series. <3
Watching these videos fills with nostalgia


I think the timelines would still be different as probably someone would have definitely spotted a ALICORN with a DRAGON near that place were kid-pegases were flying in case any of them were injured somehow.


"I hate temporal mechanics!" <br>That is all

"I hate temporal mechanics!"
That is all


Don't you think that Twilight, Starlight and Spyke could from new timeline go to old timeline and oppositively.


Well I think there are 2 ways to time travel:
1. Time Travel: Where you go to a different timeline and cause a change/glitch and it ends up different from what it was originally supposed to be.

2. Time....Travel: Where you go to a timeline, but you going to that timeline was supposed to happen all along, and you didn't change a thing the events of the timeline are just happening.

(Either of these could've happened to them, I think number 2)


Breaking news Sawtooth has now posted  so let’s start watching


i think they either merged back, or chrysalis took over, and banished all the alicorns but Flurryheart, without the knowledge she was one. with one remaining alicorn, Flurryheart used a spell to hide her wings and live among the unicorns. once old enough, she let down the spell and took on chrysalis, taking back the throne and restoring Equestria.


The timeline our twilight abandoned, I will label as AT, and the one we returned to will be RT.<br>Possibly the Twilight, Spike, and Starlight from RT also went on a time travel escapade to prevent something that was important to the plot, and somehow balanced out the 3 extra spectators of the Rainboom. Maybe they had gone back on themselves to prevent them from going to the rainboom or something, I don't know. And now the RT Twi, spike and starlight are in AT and vise-versa. And now each timeline has a Twilight, Starlight and Spike.

The timeline our twilight abandoned, I will label as AT, and the one we returned to will be RT.
Possibly the Twilight, Spike, and Starlight from RT also went on a time travel escapade to prevent something that was important to the plot, and somehow balanced out the 3 extra spectators of the Rainboom. Maybe they had gone back on themselves to prevent them from going to the rainboom or something, I don't know. And now the RT Twi, spike and starlight are in AT and vise-versa. And now each timeline has a Twilight, Starlight and Spike.


I love this idea but that would suggest that in the new timeline, those 3 died somehow right? Unless the same events happened since everything was identical and those 3 version 2 went to the timeline they left behind.

My head hurt


I like the time loop theory, where they can't back because they were originally there because changing time loops, like your video on the time paradox


News just in: princess twilight and her dragon friend Spike has recently disappeared out of thin air we are looking for them, but we have not found them yet. There are rumors that she has been kidnapped by someone we are looking for them but it might take a while and so far there has been no suspects.

News just in: we just discovered that it turns out twilight and spike are changelings—OH GOD THE CHANGELINGS ARE AT—*beeb*

News just in: Princess twilight and Spike the great and glorious Missing case has been a closed for a while but out of thin air they’re here again! What could this mean? This leads to more questions, Where were they for all this time? Where is The 2nd Pony? And why Do they act so different now? Princess twilight friends are worried, But all we can do is wait so, Tune in next time for the next news ( Ps: Changeling would have still existed )

News just in: Princess Twilight Sparkle has been reported missing and has multiple search parties but none have been sucssesful the police have announced the case is closed and she is gone 2 others have been reported missing the 2 are ms.Starlight Glimmer and Princess Twilight Sparkle's dragon Spike Ms.Apple Jack had this to say "she was in the castle 1 minute...than gone the next she disappeared out of thin air." Implying that she had been in the castle that day than was gone . We will contact her family Sorry..

News just in: we will have decided to close the search for princess twilight, there has been no evidence that she was kidnapped, lost, nor she ran away. We are going to have to live without her for now, you can make mini searches but it’s a 99.9% that you will find her. This could lead to the end of Equestria, for now, please be safe.


Hmmm... could Discord find Twilight, Spike and Starlight in the alternate timeline and bring them back to the original?


For all we know, the original race with the Rainboom DID have Starlight, Twilight & Spike nearby! The flashback didn't show them, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. [oof, multi-negative grammar AND time traval!]<br>Besides, the flashback showed an earth pony filly watching from a cloud, so it may have had other errors too!

For all we know, the original race with the Rainboom DID have Starlight, Twilight & Spike nearby! The flashback didn't show them, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. [oof, multi-negative grammar AND time traval!]
Besides, the flashback showed an earth pony filly watching from a cloud, so it may have had other errors too!


Alright i have a crack theory.<br>Remember when Twilight, Starlight, and Spike got teleported to that one timeline where there's literally nothing there? What if they got teleported to the FUTURE of the original timeline where the three of them gone for who knows how long?

Alright i have a crack theory.
Remember when Twilight, Starlight, and Spike got teleported to that one timeline where there's literally nothing there? What if they got teleported to the FUTURE of the original timeline where the three of them gone for who knows how long?


Since her protege was no longer in Equestria, I think Princess Celestia and her sister would decide to go back to being Equestria's protectors. Twilight was no longer around to need experience being a princess, so there would no longer be any reason for them to take a back seat during emergencies. Same with Discord. By this time he was truly reformed due to his betrayal by Tirek, and he might decide to help defend Equestria, mainly because that's where Fluttershy lives and there's no way he'd let her come to harm.


I mean it's possible that Starlight, Twilight and Spike were always there, kind of like Prisoner of Azkaban movie style.


I don't think there will be a change or dissapearance. I think Rainbowdash will just have a faint memory of seeing them while flying or smt. In mpl timetravel creates alternate timelines. But I always thought they could be removed by fixing the presence. But we don't know fore sure-


Maybe Twilight, Starlight and Spike were there along. Maybe that whole time travel thing was supposed to happen.


Well, I suppose both are possibilities.  Although a sure-fire way to make sure none of them happen is to remember when you came up with the idea, go back in time and convince your past self not to do it in the first place.  And, I just created a paradox, didn't I?


Eh, in any time travel story like this, assume Hypertime is at play...by that I mean basically just sit back and enjoy the ride, and don't think about it too hard.


I do have something i wana add to this theory. Pinky pie, rarity, rainbow dash, apple jack and flutter shy seem to all have some mixed up memories and or remember moments of those alternate tome lines. What i mean is when starlight, spike and twilight went to the past and starlight started changing it by stopping the rainboom the rest of the main six (from the og timeline) seemed to have also been effected. Think of it this way. When u walk on a sandy beach u leave foot prints behind u correct? Now think of those foot prints and scenes from all the individual time lines. Well the rest of the main six have a few of those foot prints (scenes) implanted in their memories now, so it seems like starlight changing the past and effect the main 6’s friendship she dragged the main 6 to this new time line (the one that is almost exactly the same as the og) with her. Reason why is because the main 6 not coming together by the rainboom it start a ripple of changes but the biggest change is on the main 6. We saw Twilight go with Starlight to the past and saw her go to al the alternative time lines but problem is, Twilight wasnt the only one effected by the rainboom being stopped, the rest of the main 6 have, so they were dragged to the new time line with them since they have memories of this change. Idk if i explained this properly but i tried my best. My proof on this theory is that the rest of the main 6 burst into the room after Starlight, Spike and Twilight returned questioning what happened giving us a sign that they might have been influenced and dragged to this timeline with them. Which means this abandoned time line doesnt just have a missing Twilight but the whole main 6 missing all together, causing lots of chaos since the main 6 can only use the elements to stop the villains but if all the main 6is gone, there’s legit 0 hope for equestria in that time line.


Or the TVA showed up to fire off one of their reset bombs to wipe out that alternate timeline to prevent a nexus event.

Wait wrong show...

OR IS IT!? Dun dun duuuuuuun


Doesn't the show imply they just overright their timeline, not create entirely new timelines that exist independently?


From what we know pre-release; could that forgotten timeline have enough of a foundation to the the home of Gen 5? Mentions of the Mane 6 but no mention of "Queen" Twilight, somehow no magic like Cozy Glow was successful, a divided Pony nation but no windigo... interesting enough or should we wait until the movie comes out in a few months?

The windigos were defeated in season 9. If g5 were to stem from the "original" timeline, there would have been windigos.

Now this... I can already tell this one headcanon will be more satisfying and make more plausible sense than whatever hand-wave we're actually going to get on how the storylines are related. 😐

Now _this..._ I can already tell this one headcanon will be more satisfying and make more plausible sense than whatever hand-wave we're _actually_ going to get on how the storylines are related. 😐


IMO, if the alternate timelines exist, then yes that's what happened. But I rather believe that the time travel cancels the timeline pure and simple. At the moment Starlight started to influence the past, their present didn't exist anymore.

I gueeeeess if I was wrong, then everytime Starlight came back to that moment, she'd see her previous attempt, we'd have several Starlight, Twilight and Spike simultaneously in the same place, fighting. After 3 I guess Twilight should have given up because so much chaos would have distracted all the foals and canceled the rainboom anyway.


Maybe the spell for the magic was meant to put you back to the timeline you used it


Maybe the other timeline would heal itself. What I mean is it would carry on as if starlight had never cast the spell but had instead been stopped by twilight.


If its possible for loops to circle back on themselves, wouldn't this start one of those situations? They show up, change nothing, the cycle for them to show up happens again, and so on.


If this is true there’s one thing that you missed starlight was in the orb and Academy would be pretty much down and cozy might not have a place in the school but also the artifacts were never discovered


Who said that they travel to a different universe, after all,the spell is casted relatably to the map(tree of harmony),even if they were casting a spell which brought them back to a different timeline, wouldn't the map have tried to pull them to the correct timeline


But, in this case what happen to the  twilight, spike and starlight from the new timeline? We didn't see them. If the original trio came to the new timeline, they would probably meet them.


This timeline might have turned into the generation 8 somehow, and that's why all the  ponies are separated now


What if..The abandoned one is the new generation and twilight is still living in the other universe and she made the artifacts because she figured that she might be in a different timeline and she tried to make contact with the original world and still tries today?


But don’t a Twilight and Starlight already exist in the other timeline ? They can’t just vanish into thin air.


I think you’re right but sometime in the future they merge back together!


pretty sure time traveling cant lead you to "another world" but i get what you mean, and if that was to be true then could it be that in g5 of mlp (how the magic of friendship disappears) could be because of this? like they just left the world and no one knew where they went


OMG if the 'forgotten timetime' actually existed then would it be the future Generation 5 of my little pony

Alana Ferguson oh I haven’t seen the book yet

@_tacos_101 _ But do you not remember that from a activity book it said that Sunny’s father made them, or was it a picture that showed it? Well which ever it was, my point still stands. Sunny’s father made the figures himself

That could actually make sense. In the leaked photos (or it might have been the trailer idk) we saw that the mcs room had toys and figures of the mane six…. This suggests that they were forgotten as real ponies and their story was shaped into fiction, almost like a fairytale, for which toys and merchandise was produced.


If I've learned anything from Loki then what if we were to assume that the rainboom is an apocalyptic timeline where anything that happens during that time is meaningless since the rainboom would still continue on even with twilight, starlight and spyke being there. The rainboom is so impactful that it doesn't matter who is there since it would happen anyways even if there was a random dog in Vanhoover walking down the alleyway (just an example) so I think that the timeline either merged or stayed together when starlight gave up


Since when we started from funny colorful ponies to tragic and depressing alternative timelines


Theory on top of this theory: 1st timeline is how MLP: a new generation happened.


Personally the only reason I disagree with this is because if it were true, the versions of Twilight, Spike and Starlight from the new timeline would surely be there


THANK YOU!!!!!! ever since the episode i've been thinking about this!

Twilight is gone from the original timeline, vanished into thin air. Nobody knows what happened to her and spike, they just seem as if they simply stopped existing.

Her friends would fall into a depression, they would search for her to no avail. Maybe celestia could figure out there are magical remnants in the air in the table room, but she would have no idea what happened. Did a spell go wrong? Did she teleport somewhere? Is she dead?

Equestria would fall into a panic without the sixth element, without their new princess. Perhaps even falling into hatred as their precious friendship princess abandoned her friends. Equestria would fall into a world of anger and hatred, maybe even the main six would start to blame Twilight. Maybe they won't see the point in their friendship anymore.

The two sisters would be helpless in watching this all happen, and perhaps they may be overthrown. The world will turn back to the pre-pillar ways, but this time, everyone will thrive enough to leave the world a bloody mess by their own hooves.


Now that's weird because if this is StarSwirl's secret then he's used it before but he still lives on the same timeline!


Wouldn't there be a new timeline everytime Twilight and/or Starlight entered one? For example, when they went to see Starlight's past with sunburst ...
Wait no-
When Twilight entered the changeling timeline, does that make two timelines in which she isn't there and one in which she appears? That would mean every timeline exists twice or even more times, hmm.. or am I just overthinking again?

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i pointed this theory out to my friend about endgame, because tony, scott and cap where in 2012 when loki first attacked earth and cap fought himself and such, they DID NOT return to the timeline that they knew, but a different timeline. <br>similar to the one that you pointed out in your video

i pointed this theory out to my friend about endgame, because tony, scott and cap where in 2012 when loki first attacked earth and cap fought himself and such, they DID NOT return to the timeline that they knew, but a different timeline.
similar to the one that you pointed out in your video


Probably when the scroll was almost fully ripped apart and when the circle came the circle took them to the place where Starlight made the very first circle.


Perhaps in that abandoned timeline, a part of the elements of harmony chose other new carriers, or another species apart from the ponies managed to unite with the elements as seen with the young 6 or as seen in the comics of season 10 with the zebras


I’m choosing to pretend this theory can’t be true 😍


I don't really think that this would be the case. If they returned to the other timeline wouldn't there be the second Twilight from that timeline. If not then the second Twilight could return to the abandoned timeline and everything would work out the same. Btw here's a little side note: there is infinite number of timelines and alternative universes so I think that this, the video and every other theory is correct because everything had happened already.


What is when starlight didn't become friends with Twillight and Spike. It goes on and on and on. Because of that the forgotten world is possible and make sense, because Twillight, Spike and Starlight are 'catched' between all timelines


I love you ideas sawtooth and I can't wait for what you are going to upload next


Hey Sawtooth. How’s this for a mlp theory? In the last book of the Bible, Revelation, there’s a mention of locusts that resemble horses & have other features. Is there any link between them and Changelings? I know it’s more likely a coincidence but you never know…

@IndoDINO Youtube Abaddon is given a key. In the show, it’s the main six who get keys to gain power to vanquish the demon to Tartarus, the Greek, not Hebrew, underworld. Hades is another word for the underworld but it’s mentioned after the 4th horsemen.

@Erango The Wise WOAH! How did I miss that?! It really DOES sound like a changeling! 😱

@Erango The Wise What I'm asking is where in Revelation? I've studied Revelation before and I don't remember this but I may have missed it.

@IndoDINO Youtube Revelation is the last chapter of the bible. If you’re going to read it, there’s many things to keep in mind, but I’ll just leave it at, there’s more than one version/ edition of the text.

Wait what chapter of Revelation is this in???


OMG! i got shivers thinking about whats happend in that world,such a great vid! keep up the good work and let me try something, Sawtooth Waves Sawtooth Waves Sawtooth Waves


I think the group have always been there and Celestia notice so she makes Twilight her special student<br>Because if they return to a different timeline, where would the Starlight, Spike and Twilight of that timeline be

I think the group have always been there and Celestia notice so she makes Twilight her special student
Because if they return to a different timeline, where would the Starlight, Spike and Twilight of that timeline be


I think  twighlight ,s friends well definitely look for twighlight but quit after they looked all over Equestria from Chloe Whittle P.S I love your show!


Frankly, I hope your wrong. Childhood, crushed. 😂


I always thought that twilight and starlights presence at the rainboom became a given the way future twilight kept visiting present twilight in season 2, we just didnt see it at the first mentions of the rainboom just because


You know the movie? Maybe that’s what happened after the time line was abandoned. Cause then everyone would fall apart and the species wouldn’t have come together


Remember, the 6th element appears when the other 5 are present, so all they have to do is be present
THEORY DISPROVED

Remember, the 6th element appears when the other 5 are present, so all they have to do is be present
*THEORY DISPROVED*


I think Starlight, Spike and Twilight were meant to do this in the first place. So they went extras.


But here’s the thing even without twilight starlight and spike celestia would still technically have sunset shimmer and she could be the next element of magic and it could work honestly


this only works if you believe in the theory of multiple universes. i highly doubt that it would be a thing in the my little pony universe though because twilight time traveled once before and the spell she cast said it would take her back to the original timeline i believe


It might explain the new generation and would explain why the g4s work in unity is still not in play and why there was only ponies and no other species there.