Ok I commented on this before, but there’s 1 more I forgot to address. Sunset Shimmer. What if Sunset also got news that Twilight was gone in this abandoned timeline?


gah spike twilight and starlight did return to the main timeline Sawtooth Waves!


I think you might be right that was not the real time line


Thanks a lot you ruined my childhood and I'm only 10 years old I was just about to watch My Little Pony


I hope ur wrong lol. That was pretty logical but so depressing I don't wanna belive it :(


Not cozy glow because she wouldn't be evil because she would see so much magic she would be a kind helper


This doesn't make sense because then where are the original twilight and spike in the timeline they went to? If they somehow dissapeared the mane 6 would've had a reaction


Because  I watched this I got recommended sunset shimmer sleeping asmr


starlight should be punished for what she did


Made that empty world of nothing was the original universe


No, I love you theories & think about all of them, but…please no. NOT LAUREN FAUST CONFIRMEEDDD!!!!!!!! Edit: Ok thank god… never mind.


What about when twilight become an alicorn at the end of season 3 ? She just teleport to celestia own world that she could turn normal unicorn into alicorn , i mean when twilight just teleport to celestia's world is morning in ponyville but when she came back is turn to night and her friend elements are gone. I just wonder why ik its weird to some people but it could be some detail you may not know or foget?


I think Grogar switched time (message from Marianne, age 6)


....... I left this fandom about 2 years ago(distracted by anime) ..... Now i returned..... WHEN DID PONIES TURNED THIS DARK??? Yeah sure the fananimations were creepy sometimes.... Khm rainbow factory... Smile song ect.... BUT this is a theory THAT IS SO CREEPY IN CANON.... AND. IT. IS. CANON....


I have a question about time<br>I'll just Nameless it :3

I have a question about time
I'll just Nameless it :3


No starlight got another twilight from another universe so that's not the real twilight


True it’s probably Possible that the timeline split up but it is possible that the third timeline like a 10th timeline could’ve appeared due to result of this abandoned timeline because he’s gonna end up destroying the balance of everything so this could end up causing multiple timelines to start glitching out like a lotta bad stuff happening I don’t know I could be also reading too much into this


No the nameless one I have all of those covered already


If the other one exist then and yeah probably it's going to be a total wasteland!


No one:
Absolutely no one:
Youtube:ViEtNaMeSe CaPtIoNs
Mm,Yes the Floor here is made of floor


he is frogeting about one thing
furry heart
twilght didn't cure the heart furry heart did
when furry heart grew up maybe she was the only hope in this timeline
so furry heart probably had to learn the same things twilght did to become the new ruler of equrasita


I think it may have become the human world and Pinkie pie was stuck in there and then went back for the first time in the portal closed pinkie pie was stuck

Nita Warren I went to that target before


The abandoned one the pony’s they all die… I know it’s brutal and gruesome sorry tho!! :D


Then how did Ash get back to the real world if he was in an different universe magic from the Pokémon there and yes there’s a Pokémon a reference if you don’t know Pokémon I’m fine with it


what if they WERE already there im the original timeline


Brrr… the very thought makes me shiver. DELTARUNE SNOWGRAVE I NO LONGER FEAR TO GO YOUR PATH


I don’t think so because where would the other twilight be.


I wonder how matpat say about this theory!


There was a person on the over side of things then the twilights swiped


Why is no one talking about the storm king's invasion


Lol my out dated ass has a perfect series for this video, here is my theories

   entity can't just disappear in time/dimension regardless what, they simply moved on to the next dimension, and because dimensions all to getter forms  circle, the twilight simply shifted one dimension upward and no entity Is lost, so no ne twilight replacement isneeded 😉 ya probbly no one will understand that


think, what if the new gen 5 movie is the forgotten timeline??????


I think you’re right oh I think twilight friends will go and they will never meet again


Oh...<br>O-oh, oh dear God... now that I think of it... this is disturbing.

Oh...
O-oh, oh dear God... now that I think of it... this is disturbing.


I just thought they were never on camera


Pfftt what if the abandoned timeline was the timeline where the new mlp movie was in xDD


Wait a minute but what would happens with the storm king


Won't the abandoned already have them it will make a loop plus there would be two twilights spikes and starlight glimmers


Sawtooth who is the pony of shadows in the old castle


Wait...IS STAR SWIRL STAR LIGHTS GRANPA?!


Without twilight shit would go down badly its probably not a very good timeline whatever its like or maybe they were always at the first rainboom so everything is just a loop


Wait hold up in the original timeline is like this THAN WHERE WAS DISCORD WHEN THEY NEEDED HIM THE MOST .-.


I think it can’t be because there would be two Twillights and spikes and an evil starlight and good starlight


Maybe the G5 MLP is the ORIGINAL TIMELINE!😲 jus maybe! Can you pls do one  theory about this?


what is that burnt timeline that we saw in that episode was the original timeline they just didn't recognize it


So is there new at the abandoned time line. Or no


tell me why thorax is not saw tooth's uncle.


gone i think it’s gone nothing left of equestria


If you’re right then they would be as old as Granny Smith


MLP's forgotten world = Nürburgring Südschleife


if you look at the discord timeline carfully you would have noticed that the tree of harmony would have died since discord did not tell the mane 6
but i notticed that not one of those timelines had somthing special somthing connected to the tree somthing the mane 6 use againts evil
the elements


if your theory is true that means and if tirek cozy glowv and  crysalis stil team up that means that their old world is ruled over by tirek cozy glow and crysalis


What about discord he is god after all well i think he is. Can’t he just open a portal and get twilight and the others?


I don't believe this as this show is a kids show and they would not have any things depressing to think about in it. They wouldn't add a mystery we would have found out by now aswell.


I haven't watcged this channel in years and thought it's name is still brony nation :X


Um Hey sawtooth can i ask something?i have a question....WHOS THE DARK PRINCESS?!?! I MEAN THERES FLURRY UEART YOU MADE A THEORY OF FLURRY BEING THE LIGHT PRINCESS....I MEAN <b>clears throat</b> ok its not luna..cuz if shes the dark princess wouldnt celesta be the princess of light plz solve this i have been trying to solve this mystery myself for months....

Um Hey sawtooth can i ask something?i have a question....WHOS THE DARK PRINCESS?!?! I MEAN THERES FLURRY UEART YOU MADE A THEORY OF FLURRY BEING THE LIGHT PRINCESS....I MEAN *clears throat* ok its not luna..cuz if shes the dark princess wouldnt celesta be the princess of light plz solve this i have been trying to solve this mystery myself for months....


Or in that race raibow dash saw them and when he brought the storie to twilight they tell it to celestia and she us a special memory see spell and show their image and after that dash and twilight became much closser


What if in the original timeline is the same as the the one the return to beacuse it is a timeloop.


What if they where there in the og timeline but no noticed them


Twilight on he thumbnail is giving me nightmares


What happens if they were there at the normal rain boom then it won't be true......🤔🤔


Wdym spike and twilight and starlight would gone it does make since but you said the “abandoned timeline” would play out mostly the same


I hope the second is real .. ( or the last part 8 meant )


Sombra and christalist would fight each other


Uh Sawtooth the way I see it the timelines wouldn't diverge ever heard of 2 timelines combining to become one in the same the way you are talking it wouldn't be an abandoned timeline it would be 2 timelines combined into one


i am pretty sure they merge back if not than that's just upseting


What is the abandoned timeline is where the new mlp generation movie is👀


maybe forgotten meens is lost the timelane


One question  when pony   Twilight go to human she got wings but when a Twilight come to pony world human Twilight not get wings


WHAT IF THIS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH G5


The seventh world was when twilight starlight and spike went the fake world because when they left it became nothing with out twilight starlight and spike they would have no idea how to Defeat the bad guys.


My the new movie/series the new generation is the abandoned world since in mlp there is always a good ending


But how did sunset shimmer meet twilight again when she'd go back to Equestria in forgotten friendship episode


Something doesn't feel quite right about this time travel problem the more I think of it. Maybe because I watched Doctor who, but I feel like there is a possibility of these seven timelines staying alive is hard.

Last I watched this episode its hard to say if Starlight stopped Rainbow Dash at the exact same time every attempt. There are a handful of problems with this that being at work causes problems to type fully. So I'll give brief points and a followup.

1) If Starlight stopped RD in multiple points in the race, then the problem is clear to see. If RD is stopped earlier in the race, she can't be stopped later due to never appearing. Thus that timeline can't be reborn or created

2) If they [the multiple Starlights] stop RD at the same time,  then how did seven come to be? How can they all not see eachother and cause problems that way?

3) The time scroll was destroyed. How do we know that didn't act as a reset to ensure what happens, happens?

I'm sure I'm just overthinking it because I'm bouncing back and forth at work currently, but I feel like these are important to consider somehow.


your probably wrong because then the time that they are in right now they would be another twilight


I'll be as direct as possible. I quote Rick from Rick and Morty when I say everything exists in space. If you want the long answer, read on. It is just a matter of which numbered nigh-infinitesimal goes where it goes. Just don't ask me the difficult questions as I can't answer those. I'm better off not knowing for sure. I know you didn't ask me-- not exactly anyway; then again, I don't want to leave you hanging. Make your own call. If your level is high enough, in theory, you could just Plane Shift a whole Sub-plane. Again, it is just a matter of numbering each piece and putting them back in place. I can't say though that time would play /in reverse/ half of time's duration after time started as that makes a lot of assumptions about the rubber-band effect of actions and reactions. There is a possible D&D stat called Faith, and if someone used a Transformative check and call, one might not even need to do numeration hax of every single speck and could in theory bring something back exactly as they called it, but again, there is likely a callback to the influence and therefore no real turn back in equal kind. As for what kinds of magics would infer this to exist perfectly or an example of what kind of magic could lead to such a result, let's just say being told not to use someone as a search engine is not just a river in Egypt figure-skating. Use your imagination. I will warn that a Nat 20 will only bring the highest /reasonable/ result on a d20 for being... the highest roll you can get naturally on a d20. Say for example you jokingly told a King that you will declare proclamations in his/her alleged image for the next week. And you roll a Nat 20 for Charisma check. Congratulations, the King will not slaughter you. The King may even let you keep /one/ of your rights. Who knows how lucky I would get around a dragon if I rolled a Nat 20 for... any statistics? Not to mention the possibility that the dragon has stat-scrambling hax. Better to not pry.


i doubt that cuz the tree wouldn't be hanged up right?


How about you talk about my little pony a new generation


I hate you, for having such good theories, you need to stop ruining mlp for me, because I will never be able to not think about this when watching mlp.


Idk this is a bit farfetched like mabe the 2 ponies and spike were their when it happened but when we saw it through rainbowdashes eyes she didn’t see them


the  original may not even be the original who knows


Maybe Discord ( from original timeline ) would discover what happened to Twilight and he would prevent other disasters in Equestria.


Can I actually make this an au or something? <br>Jw

Can I actually make this an au or something?
Jw


Hmmm I think the forgotten world is not that bad think of it this way     the. Ponies would do all that but when they lost hope fluttershy would probably tell discord and seeing how sad she is would probably go back in time to see what happened following twilight with some ghostly spell which will prevent her from seeing him. Then he would tell fluttershy. I'm not sure what would happen next but at least they would know what happened and try to solve it and who knows what really happened?


Maybe it’s original history starlight was there


Then where is twilight in the copy if she was there?


So when I was watching the video I stopped at the time you should the two pictures, I looked at it and I small differences in the clouds 😳😳😳


On maybe they were there the entire time.


The sky is a pitch-black the quads are blue everything has been corrupted


Ok telling you that when twilight come to the actual world I will know that you come to the wrong was because then how did the mane 6 the door open


I’m So Glad This Is Isn’t Confirmed And Thus, Not Canon


I know maybe in the world they will not be friends again then the villains win then the world is forgotten


How would the other paradoxill world be the same if they didn’t have the main 3 to make it look like there world they live in than? Oulndt there be a ulternet  Spike Twilight and the other one to make that diffrent time line be there and wouldn’t the other ponies in that time line have memory of them?


I am writing  this while Doing  mY homework  cause my mom is in the  Bath room And I  get time to WriTe thaT' This weirdly Amazing  theory  is veryyyyyyyy likely '(Big brain me)🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪😘😘😘


I think this means nothing. This could be another paradox like the (Its about time episode) that in the cutie marc chronicles maybe spike starlight and twailight is already in the clouds, another time paradox where shes already there, i mean the rainbow is diffrent cuz the rainbow in the prime timeline is horizontal not vertical so this could be a diffrent one but i still think its just a time paradox


oh no sawtooth king thorax told you not to.


And make another video about human Sombra


i think the seventh aka the timeline where nothing is left maybe MAYBE daybreakers timeline as one of her lines said "i will destroy anyone who i see"or something like that

Did you even watch the day breaker episode? Daybreaker was just a figment of starlights dream 🤦.


i will never be the same again oh my GOD /hj


why with your voice it sounds like a creepypasta omg haha


(I'm not from england so this is not maybe right) but anyway are twilight and Princess Luna some kind of cousins or something, because both of they colors are like night and twilight's dad has two moons in his cutiemark and Luna have one. Shining Armor has stars on his cutiemark twilight and her mum have too!!! And shining Armor and celestia have the same skin color. Luna, shining Armor and his mum have also blue eyes🤔🤔🤔


This video just ruined my childhood:(       PS: Can someone plsssssss tell me where to watch season 9


Yes you'd be right but it is possible that haff the villains would still attack but I would say that it's most likely it would be like twilight just never existed and instead some one else was the  princess of magic though it is possible that after the fact of them coming home that time line would merge together but if they let's say we're not noticed then no nothing would change nothing would happen and every thing would be fine

I would like to say that cozy glow would never be evil but that's just a theory of mine


I'm just thinking... You just explained the Bootstrap Paradox with Twilight going back to tell herself not to worry, just like The Doctor going back and telling himself which lever to pull. And here you talk about the "Original Timeline" when Starlight prevents the Rainboom, but.... That comes after It's About Time, and There! is the question... With all the zig-zagging in the timeline to get to the "self-fulfilling prophesy", is anything after that episode still the same timeline as when the girls defeated Nightmare Moon?


I wish twilight was back in the world because how are they gonna fight and then their friend is gone now I can't ask my little pony can you change it because it doesn't have the thing I can speak So I miss twilight sparkle at that world with their friends😨😭😢😰😱😥😓😅


Okay dude your being dramatic maybe they came back right after they left time travel is weird okay dude


don't forget she's an alicorn she has dutie thats selfish i'm hugging mu twiligh sprkle doll


I think Twilight, Spike, and Starlight were ALWAYS there from the start.  We just never saw them there before.  Think of Back To The Future and how the reason Doc lives is because Marty already went back, sure things do change at the end but Doc explains that as the ripple effect in part 2.  I guess a better example would be Bill and Ted with how the broke the historical figures out of jail, the traps they set were already in place because they would go back in time later to set them.  Twilight, Spike, and Starlight were always there, them just doing nothing and going back simply kept the timeline on the original path is all.


This is a kids show theres no deeper meaning, people dont get this


You seriously almost ruin MLP for me but then you change it and it’s not ruined but you have come so close to ruining it for me SO MANY TIMES!!!!


Is it just me or does the thumbnail kinda creep me out


Nice!

Keep up the great work and the awesome job.


The season 5 final episodes was the first MLP episodes I saw. With these episodes, I started watching the MLP series in 2016.
 I love this two series!<br>About different timelines: I think the Doctor Whooves with his TARDIS could help with the answer to the question of what is happening there in the alternate timelines.
 )))

The season 5 final episodes was the first MLP episodes I saw. With these episodes, I started watching the MLP series in 2016.
 I love this two series!
About different timelines: I think the Doctor Whooves with his TARDIS could help with the answer to the question of what is happening there in the alternate timelines.
 )))


I think everything boils down to three possible outcomes depending on what happens to the timelines:
1- the timelines reunite and everything goes on like usual
2- the timelines stay separated, meaning that the original timeline would end up magicless thanks to Cozy, which could lead to the extinction of the changelings and to the same settings se have for the beginning of the G5, only much sooner and with less info about Equestria's Legends (another possibility would be that this Is the ONLY timeline where we'll have G5)
3- the timelines merge again, only this time something goes wrong. The unifocation causes changes no one ever notices, bringing to the creation of the G4.5 or Pony Life


In all the other timelines, Twilight’s map still existed, like there’s an external force of magic that was trying to right itself. I think that Starlight’s redemption would be that external magic’s desired outcome, meaning it’d probably merge the timelines. But those are just my thoughts!


This sort of reminds me of this fanfic called Reflections where Twilight was taken to alternate timelines and lived in another timeline. In that story, though, her own timeline was destroyed and the Twilight in the timeline she resides now was killed.


I think this makes so much sense! And it would make a really good story concept


Honestly I do think you're right, but be that as it may. Twilight traveled back in time to warn herself not to worry which ultimately became the time loop we all know and love. Perhaps they did travel to a different timeline in which they live on and the universe restored balance within itself by making a copy of that timeline. However I may be completely wrong and the timeline they left could just be a wasteland ruled by Chrysalis or even Tirek and Cosy Glow, but I like to believe balance was kept and they never truly abandoned their former home.


I always knew that if you look deeper into the MLP universe, it's way darker than it seems.

I didn't until I was teenager  but then I realized yes way darker if you like dark stuff  then wach the truth about my little pony  but I don't recmened it if you don't like darkness and stuff


Most likely scenario is that it's another "It's about time" sort of time travel thing. It was inevitable that Starlight would be talked out of destroying the time spell by Twilight on this timeline.

Rainbow's cutie mark story as it was told in Season 1 has Twilight, Spike, and Starlight in it. They were just off screen and unnoticed. (They are pretty much retconned into it because FiM's story hadn't been written this far during Season 1.)

The dark part about this is that the show has been following the best possible timeline, whereas numerous other timelines exist where the villains rule.


I personally think both theories are right, actually
There's still a total of 9 timelines
the first 7 being the ones Starlight made by stopping the rainboom
the 8th being the main one, which everyone returns to at the end of the episode
and the 9th one is the one where the 3 were present, but made no actual changes
keep in mind that if the 3 went into that timeline's present, coming from a different timeline, there likely woulda been some issues with the Twilight, Spike, & Starlight already from that timeline
it's not like the ones we have just replaced the ones from that timeline

I personally think _both_ theories are right, actually
There's still a total of 9 timelines
the first 7 being the ones Starlight made by stopping the rainboom
the 8th being the main one, which everyone returns to at the end of the episode
and the 9th one is the one where the 3 were present, but made no actual changes
keep in mind that if the 3 went into that timeline's present, coming from a different timeline, there likely woulda been some issues with the Twilight, Spike, & Starlight already from that timeline
it's not like the ones we have just replaced the ones from that timeline


We've seen Time Travel in the show before. When Future Twi went back to warn Past Two to not worry. In that episode it became a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. It could be that those three were always there, but Rainbow Dash being Rainbow Dash forgot about them in the excitement, and in the correct timeline Fluttershy was too she to really notice. Plus Fluttershy being dropped from a cloud would be to scared to really pay attention. This leaving us with a version of the story that leaves out the unicorn that can walk on clouds, an Alicorn nobody heard of, and a Dragon.


What if the Twillight from the new time-line did the same thing and went to the first time-line. So now there's two time-lines that are pretty much exactly the same?


I think that it uses the back to the future timeline logic. whenever they go back, everything from that point is rewritten as though nothing after it actually happened. To an outsider looking in on twilight and starlight, they would have disappeared, and then just reappeared moments later after twilight convinced her to stop.


One time-travel variant has it that the traveler's presence was necessary to ensure that events happen as they were supposed to. Any "alternate" timelines disappear into the quantum foam or something.


Interesting. And yeah, it being another "chrysalis victory timeline" is somewhat believable, UNLESS the winter and snow taking the Crystal Empire changes it somehow, maybe making ponies more wary and now with more eyes with the crystal ponies probably joining them, causing more security to be raised, maybe needing either bigger swarm or too much stealth than Cryssi is able to gather/organize when considering her apparent ego. And yes Cozy is still a thing that might try something...<br>But that's just me thinking at random.

Interesting. And yeah, it being another "chrysalis victory timeline" is somewhat believable, UNLESS the winter and snow taking the Crystal Empire changes it somehow, maybe making ponies more wary and now with more eyes with the crystal ponies probably joining them, causing more security to be raised, maybe needing either bigger swarm or too much stealth than Cryssi is able to gather/organize when considering her apparent ego. And yes Cozy is still a thing that might try something...
But that's just me thinking at random.


I see two possible results. 1. Like when Twilight used the original version of the spell it created a closed timeloop, that in the original timeline Future Twilight was present for the Rainboom, Starlight time traveling was always destined to happen.  Or 2. This alternate time line is the Equestria of G5, the alliance of creatures never happened and the school of friendship never opens. With out the princess of friendship the 3 tribes separate and the Element fad into Myths.  I like the 1st idea best it fits with the effects the episode "It's About Time" showed, that you can't really alter the past,  what you do you already did the first time. Also I explains why the portal destroyed the scroll, to close the loop, possibly sending a partly ruined version of the spell back in time for Starswril to in essence creating itself.


Not even considering villains being able to take over if Starlight, Twi and Spike disappeared from that timeline - imagine the absolute devastation felt by all who knew them (yes, even Starlight as her parents would have no idea where their daughter went as well). The Princesses, Shining Armor and their parents, the remaining Mane 6, Twi's Canterlot friends, and everyone else Twilight and Spike have helped over the years, would all be mortified. Imagining the pain and stress of knowing something awful must have happened to them would have an immense psychic impact on Equestria. Insane to think about.


Well now thats something im sure not many have thought of till now. Mind blown. Still depending on ones interpretation of time travel, probably a minor detail like that, doesn't effect much (also wouldn't that create a time loop? where they constantly go back and forth threw time?) im sure we are still seeing the original time line because everything carries on as normal thus the 2 merge when they return from the past.


I thought of a new theory. The 6th element isn't magic, it's hope. Why would a friendship need magic to function properly? Every other element is a key part of friendship. But if you think about "The Return of Harmony" part 1 and 2, when everypony turns the opposite of their element, Apple Jack starts lying, Pinky Pie becomes paranoid that everyone is laughing at her, Rairity becomes a selfish hoarder, Fluttershy becomes a cruel brute, Rainbow Dash becomes Unfaithful, and finally Twilight loses hope in her friends.

And in Twilight's Kingdom, Twilight gains her key from still having hope in Discord. instead of leaving him behind for betraying them she continues to have hope that Discord will try to stay on the path of good. Which inspires Discord to have hope in his friends once again, and offering Twilight the necklace that Tirek gave him.

And what's a key part of friendship, hope, you have hope in your friends, you believe the best out of them.


Hm, interesting theory. So now we have a timeline with no Crystal Heart, no Magic, and without magic, probably no Chrysalis or any specific pony to rule it all. Without the ability to shapeshift, I guarantee the changelings would be fought off. But still, dang. No magic all of a sudden? That must have been shocking... wait.

No magic? No single pony in charge? Full panic? That sounds oddly familiar. Almost sounds just like — no, it couldn't be... could it? Could this be where the new generation came from?! We know it's the future from the same universe, but we don't know for sure that it's the same time line. What if it's the future of the ORIGINAL timeline? The mane six, including Twilight, would still have existed, and their impact on friendship would have remained although it would have stopped at the moment Twilight left. When Twilight disappeared and the Crystal Heart shattered, the now Mane 5 might have shared the Friendship Journal to bring hope. Or even to just remember Twilight. But with worse things around the corner, all of this would come to failure. Eventually, Equestria would be pinned against itself, magicless, just like the new generation. This could even explain the lack of other creatures in the G5 world, as they only came along after Twilight defeated the Storm King.

Hold up. We completely forgot about the Storm King! Chrysalis would have NEVER been in charge with him around. And with the princesses frozen and ponies like Tempest and Cozy around, no WONDER ponies don't trust eachother! And with no trust AND the princesses being captured, the tribes would have no choice but to rule separately. This would also give Cozy another reason to destroy magic, as a way to rid Equestria of the Storm King. This would essentially lead to all the villains being powerless and the now separated Equestria could be relatively at peace, apart from major distrust and paranoia.

Or there's always the possibility that when the map zapped Starlight's time spell it undid any damage and mended the timeline together, explaining why the map was always present anyways. 🤷🏻♀


Hey Sawtooth, just a question are you ever planning to make a video on MLP G5 when it comes out, or are you just going to stick with G4?


The extra spectators DEFINATELY wouldn't cause enough variance to branch the timeline.


How do we know that the three "observers" weren't there in the first time line? They simply could have been not noticed by any pony because the rainboom distracted everyone who was there. For that matter, maybe the rainboom would have never happened in the first place without Starlight interfering. Is it possible for certain incidents to be closed loops in time?


This is giving me a bunch of questions at the right time
But both of the theories you told in the video are making sense well I don't know what now
It's dark but cool when you think about it :)


More importantly, what happened to the Twilight from the new near identical timeline when original twilight appeared there? Or is she off to yet another near identical timeline with Starlight? If so, wouldn't that mean we have infinite paralel timelines that swapped through a few twi and starlights? In that case, are we certain the past with them in it wasn't the original from the start?


But of they were to go back to a different timeline like you said, what about the existing twilight in that world?

I think that personally, the timeline they fixed is the same as the one they used to be (like how you explained)
Because if they went into that new timeline, where they're part of rd's backstory, then ponies would already know she's an alicorn,
And fluttershy and or rainbow dash would've made the connection thst they've both seen the trio before
That would mean their very first interaction would be very different
Meaning it wouldn't turn out the same way
And even if they created a new timeline with it, why would this new timeline conviently lack it's spike, it's twilight, and it's starlight?
It's a strange coincidence to rely on,
So I believe they returned to their proper timeline :)

if ur confused leave questions in the replies

But of they were to go back to a different timeline like you said, what about the existing twilight in that world?

I think that personally, the timeline they fixed is the same as the one they used to be (like how you explained)
Because if they went into that new timeline, where they're part of rd's backstory, then ponies would already know she's an alicorn,
And fluttershy and or rainbow dash would've made the connection thst they've both seen the trio before
That would mean their very first interaction would be very different
Meaning it wouldn't turn out the same way
And even if they created a new timeline with it, why would this new timeline conviently lack it's spike, it's twilight, and it's starlight?
It's a strange coincidence to rely on,
So I believe they returned to their proper timeline :)

*if ur confused leave questions in the replies*


I think your story makes sense. But I do see a happy ending after all. If there is a world without Twilight, there likely is a world with two Twilights. In that world, she will sooner or later meet her (younger) double. Because Twilight is smart, she will hopefully figure out that if there is a world with two of her, there must be a world with a void.
She definitely is capable to figure out time travel. Whatever Starswirl the Bearded can do, Twilight can do and even surpass. So eventually she will go on another adventure, moving everypony back to their original worlds.
That's a nice plot line for a fanfic actually: the heartbreaking reunion with her friends who were taken aback by her eerie disappearance.

Conclusion: if there is a world without her, she will be able to find it and be able to time- (or otherwise) jump to that place. Problem solved.

For who is interested in creating fiction and mixing in some (almost) real science, I posted a lengthy article here yesterday. I'm a fanfic writer myself and I can use some help in cracking nuts like these. Just reply or send me a PM. :)
To sum it up: time travel is pseudo-science, but it's a great story device. If you like world building and want to use a background of real science for greater believability, you may find the the many-worlds-theory interesting. A basic knowledge of the theory of relativity can help you understand causality. Finally, graph theory tells about open and closed loops, which makes it easier to understand the reverberations of time- and multiverse jumps.


I completely understand where you're coming from and find that this is very observant of you!! However, i have two criticisms that unfortunately completely disprove this take. 1 being that since this is an alternate timeline there would have to be an alternate twilight as many others have already pointed out. This way of interpreting time travel would mean that there is a second twilight that grew up in the altered timeline. The only way to escape this is to adopt another timeline theory in which instead of alternate timelines the timeline is simply rewritten. But then the alternate world that twilight abandoned would no longer exist. The second issue being that that we have been shown time travel in the mlp series before and it showed that in this universe that is not how time travel works. Since we don't know how time travel would realistically work we can only guess at how it would affect our timeline. There are multiple theories but the one that you used that would result in an abandoned timeline is not the one the show used. In that episode where twilight was visited by her future self with a "doomsday warning" shows that in the mlp universe time is fixed and cannot be changed. This theory implies that the same thing will happen every time and no matter what you do to change it future you has done it too. Any time travel done in the mlp universe is on a loop. So it can only be that twilight starlight and spike were always there as spectators of the rainboom. But i love the idea that there could be an abandoned timeline i think that would be so interesting!!


Wouldn't that mean there should be an extra Twilight, Spike and Starlight in the timeline we witnessed after the end of season 5? Unless the native Twilight, Spike and Starlight from that timeline also failed to return to their own world and showed up in another. And again. And again.

Turtles all the way down, in other words.


Each new timeline means new ponies. I think everyone would notice if there were two princesses of friendship.
I don't know how time travel works but I think they didn't really travel through timelines. It seems to be more of jumping back and forth one timeline, constantly changing it. So that's why we didn't see Twilight, Starlight or Spike in the alternative presents.
Though, even with my rather poor knowledge, I know it'd born some problems I don't know how to solve. It's just a five minute theory


This is something I've thought way too much about ever since seeing that episode, and honestly? It makes my brain hurt.


ok i think you forgot about the spike, twilight and starlight of the timeline they went into. what happened to them? would the trio we followed merge into them or would they switch places? and if they switched places how would it affect the original timeline? idk i mainly have questions but i like the thought behind this video


Twilight changing the past and stopping the rainboom happen could probably make her not meeting her friends and the mane 6 not meeting each other would mean destruction and darkness to equistria forever. Luna would not return to her good side and forgive her sister and she would take over equistria for good. Man this video and the time travel episode really made me think of stuff that I never thought of until now.


Interesting concept and such, but I do have a question for this theory. If Starlight, Spike, and Twilight were sent to a separate timeline created by their presence at the Rainboom… what happened to the original trio of that timeline? Let’s say everything else happened almost exactly the same, which would keep the timeline the same as well. But then Spike, Twilight, and Starlight still would’ve gone on that timeline adventure in the timeline where they were present back then. Which means that when that trio allowed the rainboom to occur, they would’ve returned to their timeline because it wouldn’t need to create a new one. Therefore I’d love to hear a theory on what happened to them, assuming that they didn’t just fail and end up in a horrible timeline.


Honestly, Time Travel both scares me and makes me curious. I mean, I know one of my ocs is really all about timelines, but when I think of it like this... it kinda scares me. I might have to get back into an MLP stage!

Edit: kinda already am XD about a month later


The abandoned timeline might be the timeline that the newest generation of ponies live in, this is just a fun thought, if all of what you said will happen did occur, then i would like to think that the ponies eventually found a way to fix the situation, but because of the traumatic event, everypony became distant and untrusting, and maybe Cozy Glow was the reason as to why all the magic was gone in the current world of gen5, that would explain why everypony suddenly started growing so distrustful and cold, because Twilight was gone, all the stories of the gen4 ponies would probably just remain a story, maybe a popular urban legend, or a fairytale (which is why they created toys n stuff)


This is why I prefer Back to the Future rules. If Twilight, Starlight, and Spike are in a new time-line now, what happened to them in that timeline? Is this just an endless stack of the same three characters constantly getting booted into alternative timelines in all eternities forever and always? This is too confusing. At some point the geometry of fourth dimensional manipulations just has to equal out to some ground truth and that just has to be the shape of reality. Otherwise it's all just fractals and continuity isn't even real anymore.


I just thought Starlight and Twilight must have been there for the rainboom all along, but of course they just weren't shown there in earlier episodes featuring the same event!


The two timelines had to have merged. Else there would have already been a Twilight, Spike, and Starlight in the timeline they return to. Right? If it was a separate timeline, then what happened to the originals of that timeline they returned to? It's because of this that I believe the two timelines had to have merged into one.


Hello! So when you said that there is a 9th timeline that got me thinking... I think that there are like over a MILLION more timelines that we don't know of that have very little changes and that are extremely similar to the one we're in now or very different because of those very small changes. Even in the real world; there probably is a timeline in the real world where I am not writing this comment at all or one where I am writing a comment on here but not this one... If I(a 12 year old) can understand this, I hope you can too!


Hear me out here though, if there was 2 separate timelines, what the heck happens to the 2nd timelines doubles? They don't merge with the three that cross over, because if that happened the timeliens would've just merged, so are there now three characters from a alternate timeline who are gone? Or now have there own timeline? Confused


If they did nothing, we'll be back in the original line.<br>Any different thought leads into a contradiction.

If they did nothing, we'll be back in the original line.
Any different thought leads into a contradiction.


You don’t have to worry about it, there are no alternate timelines. We saw, when twilight used starswirl’s spell, that the world obeys terminator rules. Which do you suppose is more likely, that starlight, for the sake of vengeance, enacted a plan that could not possibly succeed (Twilight had unlimited tries to stop her,) using a spell that only the two greatest mages in the past millennium have performed, but not only improving on the range of the spell by multiple factors, but also uses the spell to change the very nature of the universe’s temporal causality? Or that Starlight, a pony known for mind control and deception, who wanted influence over a princess, hypnotized two people into thinking she was redeemed and now friends with them?


Hey, here's my theory on why Chrysalis wouldn't take over, discord after realizing magic doesn't work near the hive, could just kill all changelings that leave the hive preventing Chrysalis and her troops from ever leaving, though Twilight's friends and the princesses would be captured, the rest of the ponies would be fine, also even if Discord was dumb and charged into battle , Chrysalis would never start the attempt to capture the ponies if she hadn't caught Twilight because if Chrysalis has even a chance that Twilight will return she will keep looking for her to ensure the plan suceeds.


In case that worked, Starlight, Twilight, and Spike would have met their versions from the alternate timeline


Wait so let’s say all of that is true, wouldn’t that mean that the episode It’s About Time, when Twilight went back in time, it wasn’t the original timeline that she went forward from? Didn’t that create another universe?


under this theory there would be each a twilight spike and starlight that would be simply gone from the multiverse and that would break the law of conservation of mass  so it would stand to reason that the initial story line would branch out into their respective variants but the final one would then converge back with the initial one.


I think the timelines would have merged because why would the tree of harmony open a portal, fix everything, and even destroy the scroll but not be able to put them in the right timeline? I think it's just me wanting a happy ending but that is way more plausible.


0.0 ...A thought came to mind while watching this. What if "the abandoned timeline" is what leads up to G5!?

The sudden unexplained disappearance of the Princess of Friendship could possibly lead the other sentient races to investigate...and eventually suspect and distrust, the others (what with a lack of evidence to prove, nor disprove, their "guilt")... until paranoia and mistrust takes over the realm!

Nailed/Snailed it!? o.0


Can you do a video just about Luna?  Like why she is so important to the lore.


Wouldent the theory require that the timeline that was returned too had a set of them also leave?  Basing on that id say that the timelines re merged.


Makes sense that it would be nearly identical, but I doubt that would be how time travel works.


I don't think we have to worry about the original timeline being abandoned.

(For ease of discussion, let's call the pre-time travel timeline "timeline-1" and the characters that we follow moving forward the same way (so, Twilight-1, Starlight-1, and Spike-1), and the timeline they end up in (the one we follow from this point on) "timeline-9", ditto its native characters.

When Twilight-1 and Co. finish their time traveling, the Mane 6 from timeline-9 (no, we're avoiding that particular innuendo) don't react perceptively differently (either upon their immediate return or in subsequent episodes).  Ergo, Twilight-9, Starlight-9, and Spike-9 must have led identical lives and also gone on their own time travel shenanigans.

We also don't see Twilight-9 and Co. come back to timeline-9.  Since they're functionally identical to Twilight-1 and Co., I can't imagine their adventures concluding any differently (they wouldn't stop until reaching the same victory outcome that Twilight-1 achieved).  And even if they ended up in, say, a hypothetical timeline-10 where timeline-10's Twilight-10 and Co. came back as well, that would just tell Twilight-9 and Co. to keep going until they get back to what would look like their own timeline.

I.e., I'm saying we probably have a "hermit-crab/switcheroo/Rick-and-Morty" thing going on.  Timeline-1 has Twilight-9 and Co., and timeline-9 has Twilight-1 and Co (and we effectively don't see a difference).  Or, an infinite number of timelines switched all their Twilights, Starlights, and Spikes by one (meaning timeline-1 might have ended up with Twilight-40K and Co.).

Or, the timelines re-merged and timeline-9 IS timeline-1, meaning nothing got abandoned.


Normally I like your theories, but this one just doesn’t work, imo. How does having a couple of extra spectators change the timeline or create a new almost identical one? What relevance does who was watching the race have to do with the Rainboom and how Twilight met her friends later on when she was older? Sorry, but it just doesn’t work, imo.

@Sawtooth Waves ok but imo her being there would have had to have some relevance as to why it would have split the timelines, let alone affected the present. This implies that what she did kept her trapped in the past and that what she went back to was just another version of everything else that already happened. It seems like a huge reach and sort of hurts my head to think about. No offense.

them being there to spectate didn't cause the change, it <b>was</b> the change. just being there may have been enough to split the timelines off depending on how time travel works. but i understand it's all theoretical. don't worry, my next video won't be about time travel (at least i don't think)

them being there to spectate didn't cause the change, it *was* the change. just being there may have been enough to split the timelines off depending on how time travel works. but i understand it's all theoretical. don't worry, my next video won't be about time travel (at least i don't think)


You should do a video that explains that original timeline in more detail


Everyone: There are eight planets
Me still wanting Pluto to be included: “But what if told you there was a ninth.”
Everyone: No


What if this were how G5 started? This sort of phenomenon is actually how “The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker” got its story.


I might be super dumb missing the point but...

Assuming your theory is correct, if the Twilight, Starlight, and Spike from the OG timeline did go to another timeline after reforming Starlight, what happened to the Twilight, Starlight, and Spike from the timeline they went to? Just a thought-


What if the 7th timeline is the Equestria that Starlight,Twilight and Spike left behind?


sawtooth I agree but the main question is if twilight went to a timeline which looked original then would there be another twilight????????????


What happened to the Twilight in the new timeline though? Did old Twilight just take her place, or did she just disappear due to the existence of new Twilight? If it works like Equestria Girls, where is the original Twilight of that universe? I have a theory that she may have gotten kidnapped or lost, and this timeline would have had the same fate as the old one unless other timeline Twilight came to replace her. Or maybe it's a loop, where og Twi from the new timeline is also battling Starlight, and goes into a new timeline, which starts another timeline for another Twi to replace the og one. Its kind of like the theory you made on the episode where twilight goes back in time to warn herself. I don't know if this was explained well enough, but I hope some of my point got across.


Easy. Each screenwriter describing the events of his episode is actually shown his own universe with slight deviations from the universes of other screenwriters, but with a clear bias towards the general plot. Sort of like Rick and Morty, but a little less crazy. (But wait, there's more!!)

Thus, the original timeline is a story in which Twilight went through many adventures, never met Starlight and perhaps never even saw the Crystal Castle, and eventually became the princess of Equestria, replacing Celestia in her place, regardless of whether she became an alicorn or not. "Faust's Original Idea" timeline.
So... It is better to imagine that Twilight returned to its own timeline, before the adventure with Starlight, because otherwise we will still need to consider where the original Twilight from the timeline we found ourselves in, and understand that in that timeline, from which we came, as in the Schrödinger's box, at the same time another Twilight appeared and did not appear. And the same with Starlight and Spike. That is, there are at least eight probabilities at the same time, which are simultaneously realized. So... Yeah, better to imagine that Twilight returned to its own timeline. (=

Easy. Each screenwriter describing the events of his episode is actually shown his own universe with slight deviations from the universes of other screenwriters, but with a clear bias towards the general plot. Sort of like Rick and Morty, but a little less crazy. *(But wait, there's more!!)*
Thus, the original timeline is a story in which Twilight went through many adventures, never met Starlight and perhaps never even saw the Crystal Castle, and eventually became the princess of Equestria, replacing Celestia in her place, regardless of whether she became an alicorn or not. "Faust's Original Idea" timeline.
So... It is better to imagine that Twilight returned to its own timeline, before the adventure with Starlight, because otherwise we will still need to consider where the original Twilight from the timeline we found ourselves in, and understand that in that timeline, from which we came, as in the Schrödinger's box, at the same time another Twilight appeared and did not appear. And the same with Starlight and Spike. That is, there are _at least_ eight probabilities at the same time, which are simultaneously realized. So... Yeah, better to imagine that Twilight returned to its own timeline. (=


This theory doesn’t really make sense Sawtooth,but it kind of does. Let me explain: Spike, Starlight, and Twilight went to a different timeline but since Starlight ripped like almost the whole paper, that caused them to go back to a different timeline.


Maybe the original timeline is what goes into Gen 5.  I mean without the glue(Twilight) to keep the friendship alive, Dash and Rarity would leave Ponyville.  The Crystal Empire falling, would bring Cadance back to Canterlot.  I could see Celestia taking a much firmer hoof on things, maybe even going after Chrysalis herself.  Things could lead to an eventually splintering of the races without the Princess of Friendship.  I mean you wouldn't have the school of friendship, so the other creatures wouldn't come together in friendship.  There would be no bond with Ember of the dragons without Spike.


Hmm. Let me go out on a limb here. Do ya think the abandoned time line if it is ligit lead to what may have lead to what happened in g 5 with all the magic gone?


IMHO I don't think that the time travel in season 5 has a closed loop, like the one in season 2. In S5, Twilight, Spike and Starlight appear multiple times in a similar past. If it was a closed loop, each time jump would add a new copy of them. However, only one set of them is present at any time and the events that happen (the different ways in which Rainbow is prevented from starting a rainboom) cannot happen simultaneously.

A Back to the Future type of time rewriting could be possible, but only if each next jump goes back further in time. Otherwise, we would run into multiple copies again. I haven’t observed the episodes that precisely to be able to find clues about this.
(Actually, I am/ we are probable overthinking it at this point: I don’t think that the story artists cared about the exact time setting of the sequence of jump arrivals.)

The many-worlds view removes all complications. It’s funny to see how it works as well in quantum mechanics as in MLP. But it comes with its own caveat: if this theory is true, the alternative timelines in S05 continued even after the three jumped back. I’m feeling bad about the Applejacks, the Fluttershies and all the others who were left behind in their respective misshapen worlds.
What is the greater tragedy? The continuing misery of these unfortunate copies, or the potential disappearance of the princess of friendship from one of many, many universes?

IMHO I don't think that the time travel in season 5 has a closed loop, like the one in season 2. In S5, Twilight, Spike and Starlight appear multiple times in a similar past. If it was a closed loop, each time jump would add a new copy of them. However, only one set of them is present at any time and the events that happen (the different ways in which Rainbow is prevented from starting a rainboom) cannot happen simultaneously.

A Back to the Future type of time rewriting could be possible, but only if each next jump goes back further in time. Otherwise, we would run into multiple copies again. I haven’t observed the episodes that precisely to be able to find clues about this.
(Actually, I am/ we are probable overthinking it at this point: I don’t think that the story artists cared about the exact time setting of the sequence of jump arrivals.)

The many-worlds view removes all complications. It’s funny to see how it works as well in quantum mechanics as in MLP. But it comes with its own caveat: if this theory is true, the alternative timelines in S05 _continued_ even after the three jumped back. I’m feeling bad about the Applejacks, the Fluttershies and all the others who were left behind in their respective misshapen worlds.
What is the greater tragedy? The continuing misery of these unfortunate copies, or the potential disappearance of the princess of friendship from one of many, many universes?


If we’re talking about the different worlds I have my own theory about the mirror pool, so we know that when pinkie go to the mirror pool she came out at the opposite side. So is the mirror pool portal to the exactly same world but with the clones? I don’t know how to explain that but we know that twilight and others found the real pinkie but if they did, and there’s 2 worlds then that mean pinkie just disappear<br>in one of the worlds and what would happen without her?(sorry for bad English)

If we’re talking about the different worlds I have my own theory about the mirror pool, so we know that when pinkie go to the mirror pool she came out at the opposite side. So is the mirror pool portal to the exactly same world but with the clones? I don’t know how to explain that but we know that twilight and others found the real pinkie but if they did, and there’s 2 worlds then that mean pinkie just disappear
in one of the worlds and what would happen without her?(sorry for bad English)


Nice Theory but I thought 💭 if they were in another timeline just like theirs,then it should be having another twilight, starlight & spike.

Exactly my thought. A world without Twilight is not the end because there also must be a world with two Twilights who will figure things out.


If Celestial raises the sun and Luna raises the moon does that mean the earth is flat?


In short, you say they went to a parallel world and their original world was forgotten


Wouldn't the abandoned timeline just be the crystalize timeline and she erased their memories?


We know these alternative universes do coexist because Twilight already disturbed time before (It's About Time)... oh man, if your theory is right, how many forgotten universes are there? Still, I am convinced that Twilight, Starlight, and Spike returned to the right world. The ORIGINAL original universe is... probably long gone, but because of their endless breach of time, they already sealed the fate of the universe, that being their presence at Rainbow's race was inevitable and they were there the entire time. This made no change to the universe, because "Future" Twilight ensured this would be the way the universe went. She was at Rainbow's race, and current Twilight was, too. So basically, Twilight saved her world unconsciously because of a stress alert.


if the normal timeline was abandoned think about how shining armor  cadence and twilights paretnts will feel after knowing that twilight is GONE it will be a touching bedtime stroy for flurry atleast :(


what if it was intended to happen like that? like in harry potter, where hermione used the amulet to travel back in time and they almost met themselves in similar spots but were able to avoid direct contact? maybe that incident was the very first before it got repeated after that but somehow they never got to see each other maybe do to a slight timevaryation and if its only by mere 5 seconds before or after they theparted to another timerift? yeah, its getting reeeally weird and complicated


Maybe the original timeline is lacking in friendship.  Maybe they've lost the magic of friendship.  Maybe the ponies are divided by race and filled with distrust and xenophobia-- waaaaaaaaaaait a minute!


Nahh filly. The timeline is self fulfilling. That's why the table destroyed the spell at the end. Time was never broken and there were no timelines the map was just showing what would have happened to equestria without twilight fulfilling the elements of harmony. When Twi went back in time in season one it kinda proved it was self fulfilling too. And besides if it were true discord would know because he can sense magical imbalances. He's god. And even if twilight and spike and starlight were gone 5ever and multiverse was real discord would probably just recreate exact copys of the three and lesson learned. After all nothing even compares to Discords true power. He knew of Tirek at the beginning of season 4 and tested twilight in episode 1 & 2 and faked being sick to see if they were friends. He got the key for her from Tirek. Tirek never stole his magic because he basically didn't grow at all after 'absorbing' the magic and his eyes never changed color. He pretended to not be able to teleport to fluttershy because she was never in real danger. Chrysalis couldn't do anything. He had ponies create the elements to see if they could do it. Because why play games if you'll always win? He could have broken out whenever he wanted to. Why create them with a single snap when you could see if others could do it. Basically discord is the answer to any problem lol.


Do you think immortal characters such as discord appear in gen 5?


It would stop existing just like the other seven timelines never came into existence, at least if the MWI of Quantum mechanics is not true, in this case every single one of those realities (plus many more, but not infinitly more) would exist with twilight adn without her.


I think your alternate time line is the original time line as who is to say that starlight and twilight meeting and traveling through time wasn't destined as well. Also why isn't there a second twilight in that world? But that is only my opinion.


I think this may be the answer to your timeline question

If someone goes back in time and changes nothing and no-one sees the time-traveler then you will end up back in the same present timeline like the person never left the present

Same scenario but, if they change something, like the rainboom then all of the villain timelines will become the new present timeline and the person would never get back to the real present.

Now, if someone goes back in time and changes nothing but someone sees them, that will create a new present timeline with the person who saw the time-traveler most likely say “hey, haven’t i seen you before?” Nothing that dramatic will happen if it’s a person you’ve friended in the first present timeline, but if it’s a person someone has a disliking to that might not end well..

In the 2nd and final scenario’s the person will never be able to go back to the first timeline
In the 1st scenario the person will always end up back to the first timeline


I have an idea! Why don’t you do one on sunset shimmer’s element? I think it’s courage, because she ponied up in legend of ever free while encouraging twilight


you just send the goosebumps when you said it really creepy


Sunset is the last remaning hope for Equestria in the Abandoned Timeline...

But she’s still in the mirror world, and evil tho


Ignoring that the same present can have different pasts leading towards it.

Abbandoned timeline Sunset Shimmer tries to contect Twilight after Friendship games. Portal connects with the new timeline while staying closed for the other timelines.
We have an outside observer that can tell us the timelines reconnected.


but what if they were there? It was never mentioned, because nobody knew. But it is possible that in the original timeline, starlight, Twilight, and Spike were all there. And so, it didn’t make a new timeline, because it wasn’t different. It’s time travel. So that means that if they traveled back in time, it would be a point in history regardless. It’s the same as a time loop. Starlight spike and twilight were there. Twilight convinces Starlight to let the rain boom happen, and so it does. And they head back to the present. Because of this, twilight can get into the magic school to eventually become an alicorn and go on the adventure to stop Starlight from stopping the rain boom. It doesn’t seem like a loop, but it is. Just like when Twilight traveled to warn herself not to worry. So I think that they were there, and that’s how our timeline came to be in the first place wdyt?


I don't think so. Three more spectators couldn't change the timeline that much


Or they hopped from the new timeline the the original one but this would still leave a forgotten world the new timeline. So no happy ending but I think my idea is a bit more happy.


Sawtooth! My pony Au( Nova crystal a crystalbat-alicorn) She told me that when she time travelled ( yes sbe can)  She ended up  the parralel universe. But in it it was just like you explained.. spike,twilight and su set werent there and ponyville was comepletly destroyed... Nova said that when she returned, the universe after the rainboom is the one she livedin, Twilight seemed... edgy at night.. ( like the episode with the cursed doll)

Thats all but it might help! Tell me if yiu need Nova


How do we know that starlight, twilight, and spike weren’t already at the original rainboom if so then it is technically the same timeline we just don’t see them.


Cozy Glow succeeded and mlp: the next generation is the original time-line. I think, maybe, idk.


Crazy theory but one I like to entertain is that to take over chrysalis would have to also fight the storm less her food source die out and her children freeze so while fight the storm and taking care of ponies and her children she might learn love and be redeemed and stop the storm with her new love


Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars<br>I could really use a wish right now wish right now

Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars
I could really use a wish right now wish right now


I hope the original timeline is one where chryssi reigns supreme she is the best waifu in mlp no question


Wait if this theory was true wouldn't that make the new generation season of mlp make sense? Cuz in that trailer there's no more magic?


what if it did branch and gen 5 is happening in the orignial timeline! it would make sense sense disharmony keeps everypony apart, so it would explain a lot for sure


Actually we did see the abandoned timeline, and it was the last timeline.


I think Starlight created a Time paradox


This- I- this made me look at mlp in a different way... I’m scared-


It's MY fanfic, and I'LL choose the timeline!


But what if there was always those extra 3 spectators. That they where always meant to time travel. What i mean is that we see the past on the rainboom from Rainbow Dash perspective and she never notice those extra 3 there but they where there from the start as there was no option, the time travel was always going to happen and because of that, they are still on the same timeline.


Oh ho ho, if twilight arrives at this "new timeline," then where did the twilight from that timeline go off to? Are we to assume that this other twilight was sent to another new timeline as well? Either way there seems to be one twilight unaccounted for.


if this is right, what happened to the twilight of the new timeline?


What is the song at the end of your videos? Would love to listen to more of it.

Yoooo, you added it to the description. Thanks!


Im the words of the smartest man in the universe...

"What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer Morty? The answer is don't think about it!"


I have one variant to add the the theory: Discord. Okay okay, hear me out. We know he can go into different dimensions…but who’s to say those dimensions can’t also be different realities.


What about fussing the timelines together?… I saw it done in a game (tales of __ game series), and a lego toy series story… both with planets!… But what about time???

Zecora might of had some experience with time-paradoxes & time-manipulation,… but I do not believe a bunch of ponies would accept being erased from history or left behind… it’s almost like the Pinky-Clone-Annihilation-Controversy again!

And creating infinite realities could be too overpowering on plentiful resources or have unknown consequences later on reality…

But what if like the pillars could be pulled out of the limbo dimension/space, there was a paradox dimension/space with the atomic & molecular structures with no mass of most everything left from abandoned time-lines?… like a “time-paradox landfill/trash demension”?!?! All you would need are some atoms or mass & a way to pick things out of this dimension to have it exist permanently back in reality, like a “paradox-machine”

But what if this “time landfill dimension” was a world of its own, or had another one similar to it & time still moved forward? Then you would have a place where forgotten or left behind Equestrian creatures, environments & other things strived and/or struggled for a living… and either hade their own lives of peace & conflict or wanted it back!!! (Maybe even call it revenge?!)

Is it not wrong to fight to exist again… peacefully? Is it not moral to want to battle/fight for friends/family you lost or never knew from being taken from you? Is it not righteous to want to bring friends you know you might not know anymore but see in you dreams back from a time paradox!? even not wishing it on an enemy? (I know I would not, I rather see them in prison, but that’s just my opinion)… I think this could make for a lot of good “the magic of friendship vs. time-debates/opinions”.

The living Equestrian Creatures would be known as living “Time-Paradox Ponies”, or other creatures like a “Time-paradox Changeling”, or Dragon, etc…

And versions of yourself lost could be recover like lost memories, like an extension and/or fusion (better than killing your clone), but you couldn’t get too greedy, or selfish in order to avoid being driven mad…. Like learning to like 2 or more versions of a story & be thankful, but still valuing your own opinion keeps you in balance & control of the extra whole self of you freely! So you could be a very special hybrid/multi-memory/time single souled pony without what’s from other times of you being lost/taken from you & with no loss of freedom, free-will & choice… ( this would prevent you from brainwashes)

Just imagine all the stories/adventures about putting a friend first at all cost for peace ☮… against all the other obstacles of greed, selfishness, angst, loneliness, grief, and revenge you could be fighting for!… Adventure of waring kingdoms, friends & sibling rivalry, even step-siblings praying for the others love & other awkward relations that they want in peace,… like fighting for the life & love of a brother, sister, or other family or friend because you care and want to show it no matter what!… or even what they say about you or them!

I’ve been dying for stories that resolve all this this that was left from “Starlight Glimmers Time-paradox landfill”, Twilight did not give up on friends when she was left with their switched cutie-marks. So I would love for them to be on Time-Paradox rescue adventures!

The fight for friendship more valuable than destiny you can’t control, because sometimes it’s destiny that you can’t control that makes your friends alive & have free will!… and they would finally be ready for a Adventurous Resolution to the disaster left from the time-shifts that got left behind.

I saw/heard it done in a “tales of ____ game series”, except it was not because of time travel, but so not one world contains all mana/magic to thrive while the other suffer for a time back & forth… the heroes figure to fuse the 2 planets into 1 so that they all had one world with no magic & world crisis… & it worked sorta… but I loved it… no one was sacrificed I think/believe… (not spoiling anything else)

P. S. : not to sound to entitled or demanding but… what do you & the others think of my idea(s) Sawtooth Waves 🌊???

 (For as much as I like the idea of no Pony or friends left behind?)

What about fussing the timelines together?… I saw it done in a game (tales of ____ game series), and a lego toy series story… both with planets!… But what about time???

Zecora might of had some experience with time-paradoxes & time-manipulation,… but I do not believe a bunch of ponies would accept being erased from history or left behind… it’s almost like the Pinky-Clone-Annihilation-Controversy again!

And creating infinite realities could be too overpowering on plentiful resources or have unknown consequences later on reality…

But what if like the pillars could be pulled out of the limbo dimension/space, there was a paradox dimension/space with the atomic & molecular structures with no mass of most everything left from abandoned time-lines?… like a “time-paradox landfill/trash demension”?!?! All you would need are some atoms or mass & a way to pick things out of this dimension to have it exist permanently back in reality, like a “paradox-machine”

But what if this “time landfill dimension” was a world of its own, or had another one similar to it & time still moved forward? Then you would have a place where forgotten or left behind Equestrian creatures, environments & other things strived and/or struggled for a living… and either hade their own lives of peace & conflict or wanted it back!!! (Maybe even call it revenge?!)

Is it not wrong to fight to exist again… peacefully? Is it not moral to want to battle/fight for friends/family you lost or never knew from being taken from you? Is it not righteous to want to bring friends you know you might not know anymore but see in you dreams back from a time paradox!? even not wishing it on an enemy? (I know I would not, I rather see them in prison, but that’s just my opinion)… I think this could make for a lot of good “the magic of friendship vs. time-debates/opinions”.

The living Equestrian Creatures would be known as living “Time-Paradox Ponies”, or other creatures like a “Time-paradox Changeling”, or Dragon, etc…

And versions of yourself lost could be recover like lost memories, like an extension and/or fusion (better than killing your clone), but you couldn’t get too greedy, or selfish in order to avoid being driven mad…. Like learning to like 2 or more versions of a story & be thankful, but still valuing your own opinion keeps you in balance & control of the extra whole self of you freely! So you could be a very special hybrid/multi-memory/time single souled pony without what’s from other times of you being lost/taken from you & with no loss of freedom, free-will & choice… ( this would prevent you from brainwashes)

Just imagine all the stories/adventures about putting a friend first at all cost for peace ☮… against all the other obstacles of greed, selfishness, angst, loneliness, grief, and revenge you could be fighting for!… Adventure of waring kingdoms, friends & sibling rivalry, even step-siblings praying for the others love & other awkward relations that they want in peace,… like fighting for the life & love of a brother, sister, or other family or friend because you care and want to show it no matter what!… or even what they say about you or them!

I’ve been dying for stories that resolve all this this that was left from “Starlight Glimmers Time-paradox landfill”, Twilight did not give up on friends when she was left with their switched cutie-marks. So I would love for them to be on Time-Paradox rescue adventures!

The fight for friendship more valuable than destiny you can’t control, because sometimes it’s destiny that you can’t control that makes your friends alive & have free will!… and they would finally be ready for a Adventurous Resolution to the disaster left from the time-shifts that got left behind.

I saw/heard it done in a “tales of ______ game series”, except it was not because of time travel, but so not one world contains all mana/magic to thrive while the other suffer for a time back & forth… the heroes figure to fuse the 2 planets into 1 so that they all had one world with no magic & world crisis… & it worked sorta… but I loved it… no one was sacrificed I think/believe… (not spoiling anything else)

P. S. : not to sound to entitled or demanding but… what do you & the others think of my idea(s) Sawtooth Waves 🌊???

 (For as much as I like the idea of no Pony or friends left behind?)


O.o Wait what if G5 is the timeline where Twilight Sparkle disappeared from! That would mean that world there was no Starlight Glimmer to lead the group in Where and Back Again. What if G5 takes place in that universe. G5 is said that the Magic is missing, perhaps that's because Cozy Glow did take the magic. That lack of magic would even affect the changelings so Crystalis rule wouldn't be very long.


What if they made it so they didn't see as they made sure it wasn't changed.


What would happen if spike didn't do the gauntlet of fire and another dragon won and then the world would have probably been burnt to a crisp


i actually thought about this when i saw that episode. because its obvi a change


I think you are! I paused and guessed to myself that the original timeline would exist still


I think you should go back  to the Alalacorn thing now that twilight has the magical wavy hair


0but isn't their a tenth timeline. the Bootstrap paradox from when Twilight went back in time to stop herself worrying. doesn't the start of that paradox count as a seperate timeline.


The way I see it. It was a small change then the timeline went back to the og.


I was rewatching mlp and 4:06 is when I stopped so that’s cool and cozy glow said that the magic will be sent to a different world like equrestria girls but cozy glow failed or did she maybe a little magic was sent there to and also what happened to stigeion shadow he was sent to limbo but well how did he got the shadow or can it praspar in limbo or what world this is just a theory


What's that physics experiment where simply being an observer changed the results.


Hi, could u do a video about finnona applejacks dog bc you never see her at the barn u only see her on the ep where rainbow gets tank and when spike is taking care of all of the animals so I have been wondering what’s been happening


I also thought about it out, and I intently plan to build a mathematical computation model for this. But I’m late, you made a video about it first.


Maybe that is the timeline where the generation 5 plays


Wait the new my little pony's coming out  might be the forgotten dimension as it is deprived of magic like it would be if twilight left


Well the following event might have comed of distrupting or changing time line but the following Time travel law states that if something is changed that made a bit of contact to that times going destiny and chain of events in this scenario the we’re talking and standing on clouds but touching clouds shouldn’t change any thing and as we see and admire nobody saw them in this timeline and by actually doing that they only changed the fellow timeline they went back at moment of twilights spikes and starlights going time place and created new time loop and bounded other twilights spikes and starlights to repeat same thing for eternity that’s the aspect of messing with time in their situation

And shall on the endless no the starting time shall never change and keep making endless universes and timelines branching of into the oblivion of the multiverse of reality and space time nothing shall know of it other than one overlooking the true expansion and collapse of end and the beginning that’s what most likely happened it’s a paradox of endless times than an different timeline it reverted and made new making others just a memory of those who saw it...

Or which time it’s mystery no one will ever solve and it impossible to stop the loop is someone will not stop starlight but it still will change timeline so it’s better to repeat endlessly than make worse of the timeline

And my theory is backed up by twilights paradox on which you made video on

Does my proposal make sense I thought of it when i watched that episode 4th time


What if the original timeline without twilight Starlight and spike is why the new movie exists, because as far as we know the pony kinds are all split up now and this could be because the princess of friendship vanished


Where can I watch the 9th season of my little pony I've been looking everywhere


why not just use the time travel logic you used with twilight in your previous video?


When I was watching I was very surprised and was like wow just wow


2:19 😳 Wow, I didn’t even think of that!


4:20- I prefer that theory better plus filly Rainbow Dash was too busy racing to notice Twilight Sparkle, Starlight Glimmer, and Spike the dragon and remeber It's About Time when Twilight Sparkle time travels to the past to tell her past self not to waste her time worrying both Twilight Sparkle and Starlight Glimmer use time travel to the past to change something but later changed their mind.


At this point the TVA should arrest Starlight for her shenanigans...


I don't agree with this yes starlight , twilight and spikes going to the past was something that can change but... I don't think so since they went back in time this can also mean that they were still there in the "original timeline" but no one noticed them that could be a possibility and i also have an issue with this theory what the heck happened to that starlight, twilight and spike like did they vanished out of existence or something?


Further proof that the world of equestria is linked with the Norse Mythos! The proof being that 9 is the most important number within the Norse Mythos. The 9th realm being the realm, of Chaos!


If Starlight succeeded wood the mean 6 have their cutie marks and if what would they look like


Then what happened to the other Twilight from from the abandoned timeline


Its the butterfly effect - OH this is MLP Fluttershy effect


So this is like a rick and morty situation


I think that is to dark for kids show so I think ended up in same timeline🤔😁


DUDE I MISS YOU I DIDNT WATCH YOUR VIDEOS FOR 1 WHOLE YEAR


YOOOO WAIT what if this is the setup for g5 and this is how they lost the magic 😳😳😳😳


no one:<br>Me: why is it raining anime throughout the entire video

no one:
Me: why is it raining anime throughout the entire video


Swatooth.... Go to your room! No Marvel stuff allowed!


But what about the twilight spike and starlight from the universe they returned to


actually idt flurry would have been born the reason cadence married shining is because of twilight


Ok so I'm doing a mini theory with the crystal empire couldn't  be lost in the frozen north from my view flurry did the cry that broke the crystal heart was because  cadence took her away from pinkie using TWILGHTS magic to carry her


Hey, could be the timeline g5 takes place in


But if its different time line then there need to be 2spike 2twilight 2starlight?


bruh this video appeared in my recommendation idk why, i don't even watch MLP

@Sawtooth Waves   i don't have much time to watch this video, there is so much children in my restaurant, if you know what i mean


omg wait i used to watch ur videos years ago

i cant believe that u still post


I got a equestria girls theory where is the real sunset shimmer in human world. So there’s 2 sunsets


Do you remember Schrödinger?

Have fun!!

Do you remember Schrödinger?

Have fun!!


I don't speak English, could you translate the video with subtitles? ;;-


nameless is NOT GOOGLE STOP ASKING HIM ABOUT TIME TRAVEL MAN but yea i still kinda agree with what you say BUT HE IS NOT GOOGLE


off topic but that thumbnail is creeping me out😨


I don't think your right about this every dimension has its own past present and future so she never left her dimension now a mother dimension would be Ares the human one wait what is there is a pony world or at least one with magic what is every myth we have is not a myth but is real in a mother dimetion that would mean the world as we know it is a lie😲


Robertson Skywalker (Creator of CANON TF EG)


I think the captions are having a stroke right now, I can't even understand a single word LOL


What is the My Little Ponies forgotten world?


But another starlight should of been there another twilight


I personaly think if a time travel occurred, even if the traveler left right after away, the timeline was still altered by the sheer presense for that half second and thus creating a new timeline that is ALMOST like the original one.<br>So, yeah, this is a NEW timeline that is ALMOST like the original one.

I personaly think if a time travel occurred, even if the traveler left right after away, the timeline was still altered by the sheer presense for that half second and thus creating a new timeline that is ALMOST like the original one.
So, yeah, this is a NEW timeline that is ALMOST like the original one.


I turned on the subtitles and I’m very confused


I going to be a pony now soon it takes a long time to morph:D of course I am still going to be having clause or else I wouldn’t be mean!


This vid made me scared for some reason why-


But if they are in another world or time then wheres the old or new or Other twilight


Hey sawtooth I saw your pride pfp are you non-binary if you are that's aweosme


In a way if you did something for a reason and the reason doesn't exist, like the same thing you did in going through time not happening again after it could make a loop where a timeline is Able to be formed between the way it went and was but not stay changed since there was no change making every new timeline not having any change instead a loop of someone making the same mistake until one thing change it (23) to change the fate or you know knowing what would happen some how from the present  and change something permanently that could be the only way making not a result of a change of someone never doing what happened.  (22-23)


So the rainboom not happening means the main ones don’t get their cutie marks. But cheese sandwich got his cutie mark becaus of one of pinkies parties. So what would have happened to him if pinkie didn’t get her cutie mark. Also like the rainboom didn’t happen but a few of them had the same cutie mark how cause destiny maybe


Is the original timeliness the crisalis timelines we saw


Hhm

Soo the original timeline

Gen 5 wouldn't happen


The thumbnail<br>Look at twilight shes black and sad like luna

The thumbnail
Look at twilight shes black and sad like luna


AND IF THERES NO TWILIGHT THE VILLAN=INS WELL GUIDE THEM I NTHE WORLD


Hey nameless dude? Nameless: what is it!?


Omg that is gonna make me cry poor rainbow dash pinkie pie flutter shy and everybody else


ur right there in different timeline  ur not wrong  see inanimate insanity


things would unfold like this in my head:

1: the ponies wouldn't be too worried at first.  Perhaps she had an emergency and didn't have time to tell them.  Applejack would reckon that it wasn't their business to ask, and would say to trust that Twilight would eventually come back and explain everything.

2: a few days pass, still no word from Twilight.  at this point, word is sent to the princesses, asking if Twilight had gone there.  the reply, to everyone's shock, is no.  Celestia says that she and Luna will keep an eye out, in case something happened.

3: by now, several weeks have passed.  Everypony is in a panic over the sudden disappearance of Twilight and Spike.  Princess Celestia is regularly sending search parties to cover the entirety of equestria, to no avail.  a few ponies begin to wonder if Twilight was even still alive at this point.

4: it has been over a month.  The mane 6 have begun to lose hope.  Celestia encourages them to have faith, but even she is unsure at this point.  Luna has to deal with the mane 6 having nightmares about Twilight's possible fate.

5: it has now been 6 months.  the general assumption now is that Twilight had taken off somewhere in a rush, and lost her life somewhere along the way.  Celestia asks other nations to keep an eye out for a purple alicorn and a baby purple-and-green dragon, to varying degrees of success.

6: a year has passed, and then some.  The now "mane 5", the princesses, and all of twilight's friends and family gather at her palace to hold a memorial service.  among these ponies is a disguised changeling.  seeing how equestria is in a morally weakened state, they report to chrysalis, who decides that now is the time to take action.  Chrysalis makes a move on equestria a few days later, and confronts the princesses directly.  Celestia tells Luna to flee while she handles the changeling queen.  Celestia then surrenders herself.  deep down, she knows that Twilight is gone forever.  Chrysalis kills Celestia with a maniacal laugh and plants herself on celestia's throne.  Luna flees to ponyville to find the mane 5 and says she needs their help to save Celestia.  Upon confronting Chrysalis, she reveals that princess celestia is no more.  shocked, terrified, and defeated, Luna and the mane 5 flee to the deepest reaches of the everfree forest, gathering the CMC along the way.  Zecora joins them after her guidance is seeked.

7: an all-out war has broken out against the changelings.  The group has expanded, but at the same time, several ponies have been lost, among them being Rarity, Pinkie Pie, Derpy, and Apple Bloom.  Applejack takes Apple Bloom's bow, now torn and dirty, and ties it to the end of her mane so her little sister will always be there in spirit.  Luna and Zecora take the group to starswirl's place to look for some way to stop the changelings en masse.  there, it is discovered by Luna that one of starswirl's scrolls is missing.  Dr Hooves cross-references the scrolls with a list he found, and finds out that the time travel scroll is missing.  Zecora comes to the conclusion that Twilight must have gone back in time, but doesn't know what.  Suddenly, rainbow dash realizes that throughout all of this, starlight glimmer hasn't been seen at all.  the group quickly pieces things together:  Starlight Glimmer  attended Twilight's speech, found and took the time travel scroll, confronted Twilight, and send the two of them back in time.  Unfortunately, they can't do anything about it and have to wait it all out and hope Twilight will find her way back.

8: the changelings have won.  the resistance has been crushed, and Chrysalis now stands over a dying princess luna.  Chrysalis monologues about how she always knew the ponies would fall to her eventually, and asks if Luna has any last words.  Luna's only response is a barely audible "twilight..." before the world suddenly goes dark.


I think it's more about the butterfly effect than time travelling itself, to be exact - I think she is still in her original timeline, the only difference is that starlight chose to destroy mane six with time travel, but twilight managed to stop it from happening, which then brings us to the timeline we know. Just like any other battle that happened - choice, chance, result


Your contents are always awesome in a theoretical way.


In the event that Twilight actually was in a separate timeline, I think you might be over looking a key piece. Granted everyone seems to.  Discord.
Even with a harmonious artifact like the map, twisted timelines are something Discord would feel. Is Twi and Spike were gone permanently I think he would know and, more than likely to spare Fluttershy's feeling rather than protecting Equestria, would make copies of the two to take their place.
There's actually a fanfic similar to this that while fun gets dark fast.


Do you remember the Friendship map?  The map that calls for certain characters to go to certain locations to solve friendship problems?  Like Twilight said the map is directly connected to the Tree of Harmony.  If it's magic is powerful enough to defeat or even reform most villains and if Starlight used her time spell on the map then it must have sent them back to the original timeline.


Hi Sawtooth! If all the timelines had villains, maybe the empty timeline was COZY GLOW"S TIMELINE!


The "9th universe" should have then a similar trio making time-travel - and when each trio returned to the "wrong" universe, balance (and maybe chaos) merged things back into what they were.

The 1st and 9th parallel universes merged, because there was no need of two same universe.
But would have the 9th universe Glimmer accepted to become the 9th universe Twilight's student ?

Ah! Overthinking over complicated stuff again. Feels great.


It would be really interesting to think of this hypothetical Chrysalis and Cozy Glow conquest timeline. Mostly because the two would eventually come into conflict with one another. I mean Cozy wants to control ponies via friendship which is a form of love which the changelings would want to exploit. They also definitely wouldn't want to lose their magic. Who knows, in this timeline the magic-sucking plot may be cozy's way of getting Chrysalis off her back since no magic=no magical love sucking and Chryssy ripping the benefits of Cozy's hard work. A confrontation between the one which sucks magic and the one which sucks love would be very, very interesting indeed.


Another possibility, perhaps we were <i>always</i> in the timeline where they went back in time, and Starlight's reformation was a cosmic inevitability

Another possibility, perhaps we were _always_ in the timeline where they went back in time, and Starlight's reformation was a cosmic inevitability


Only problem with this is, if they did continue down an alternate timeline, wouldn't alternate twilight, spike, and starlight still be in that timeline? Cuz if so, I'm pretty sure celestia or 'someone' would notice, especially sense the timeline would be nearly identical except for rainbowdash finding twilight strangely familiar