I’m still not sure if trapping me in an actual cave for 72 hours was necessary to record my lines, but it certainly got results. We should probably go check on the editors though, even if “they don’t deserve food” I don’t think sealing them in was appropriate.
It was absolutely necessary! Now shit the fuck up, and talk more about things related to the relationship of Christ and man, that makes me cry every time I think of the concept, damn it!
What an incredible journey in less than 2 years going from obscure YouTuber discussing mysteries and conspiracies recorded on a potato to being one of the biggest channels and a main protagonist of an Internet Historian joint. Hats off to you @Wendigoon
At first i thought he used your face because you live in kentucky or something...you def live in the south you have the tiniest accent but i can hear it. Either way this is interesting as all get out
I read this before watching the video so I have no idea what I’m getting myself into by I live your work and the historians so this is about to be great I’m sure
You can't treat editors like people buddy. They start getting uppity ideas in their head like getting paid fairly or not acting as a human toilet during filming.
I was about to call out using wendigoon for this video, as I have a terrible memory for faces I wasn't sure, but now I know (haven't come up on the voice lines yet)
I was watching this video like why does that look like wendigoon's face... so I went down to see if there was something about you in the description and here you are. it is lol
Nice to see Wendigoon getting so big in the YouTube community. An awesome creator with one of the most impressive growths I’ve ever seen on this platform. If this video is your first time hearing of him, go check him out, he’s great.
I was fired 2 weeks ago, and seeing there was a new IH video today that I could watch when I first woke up was worth it. So if nothing else, thank you for the unnecessary sacrifice.
Be honest Goondaddy, the moment with the chain attached to your ankle while you were drifting around the ocean floor is like an acid trip of your real worst nightmare, isn't it?
Appropriate? Maybe not. Justifiable? Without a doubt. I also wouldn't feel too bad about the food thing either. I have seen The Descent and it's been scientifically proven that humans living inside caves for an extended periods evolve into a cannibalistic humanoid creature. They'll be fine.
Do not question the director. Each time a verbal offense is committed you will spend another twenty-four hours in the cave with out necessary provisions. First and last warning.
call your fans wendigoons and you can carry us around with you in spirit and be like me and the wendigoons don''t like what you are sayin mista and then give em a bop right to the head then tell us wendigoons to get lost you got it from here and then we all dissipate into the ether after you summon us. i totally didnt get this idea from another awesome popular youtube video. ;)
The whole time watching this I was thinking, "Why doesn't Floyd start explaining icebergs to people in there with him? He could have done like 3 the whole time he was in there."
Hey, I know you. What a crazy crossover the two of you, almost as crazy as when the CIA refused to turn documents retaining to the assassination of former president John F. Kennedy over to congress in their investigation of said assassination. It is believed that these documents hold evidence of CIA involvement in the assassination, and maybe even evidence of a second shooter, which the CIA adamantly denies! Anyways, this is pretty cool too, good to see you Wendigoon!
Dude seeing your face and then hearing your lines had me fangirling like crazy i was laughing so hard. Dude I’m so glad I’m a fan of yours, so that i got to enjoy that moment.
Haha was your visions of Eldritch horrors accurate to reality? Definitely got some Lovecraftian vibes there I didn't recognize you, so used to usual gang of the 3, kudos/ordinary etc, but you did a solid job bud!
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I'm just confused at the end..the whole time i was wondering why they didn't approach from the other side..? And then the brother just does it to get the body? Maybe it ess too dangerous when he was alive
A video made 100% off of stolen content from 10 other small content creators. But yeahhhh let’s pretend this guys the first one. Cause obviously he did all this research and didn’t grab ALL of it from those videos…………..
Oh boy, just DO NOT bring yourself in situations where it is VERY likely that you will suffer a very unpleasant death.
I was almost not able to watch through this. What a freaking NIGHTMARE.
Your voice matters to people sooo much now. Well done. I enjoyed every minute of this. Crazy. Your video on the cruise ship "Concordia" is funny and suspenseful like, this one. Sillier. And still very hilarious. Well. Done. Mabye this is still just the beginning.
His quality is exactly the same. His “he will not divide us” and “pool is closed” videos are equally as re watchable as his last few. Every time IH posts a new video, it’s an event.
@From The Backseat I've looked at every wikipedia article relating to the cave, the victim and the people who tried to rescue him. None go into as much detail as this guy did. So he had to scower lots and lots of sources to make a video this detailed. Don't comment what you don't know about.
@iron sure, but that still doesn’t make them a historian. They are reporting information that was already compiled by historians. It’s not to diminish what they did, it just doesn’t make them a historian.
Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS!
It makes much more sense now why so many people chickened out. It also makes you appreciate more the courage Floyd's brother, the Journalist and the Fireman had.
the 2 guys i respect the most are the random journalist that just went in no hesitation and the childhood friend moving 500kg of gravel in a single session
There's actual drawings of what the inside cave looked like and how the pathway to Collins was. I don't know how Collins thought he would have made that thing usable for tourism.
@Fabi Most people wouldn't, and it's not even being a chicken, it's a basic survival instinct. But you know how there are all sorts of weird people. These people, like Floyd, just lack any sense of survival.
The good news is that you don’t actually suffer when you’re dead. Floyd felt nothing, thought nothing, experienced nothing after dying. Thankfully. Because his corpse went through a hell of a time.
I don’t think he suffered at all considering, yknow, he’s dead. But, the greed of the capitalists is unmatched and this once again proves that they will quite literally steal a coin off a dead man’s eye
@Doug Eddy Your soul still lives, silly, and it longs for dignity in rest. Lemme guess, you're gonna wax philosophical about atheism like some redditor.
@Haha Trumpets it is sad, but think on this - the debate that surrounded this attempt sparked later innovation and more systematic approaches to subterranean rescue. I have no doubt that his death led to many more people being saved, and also it is a testimony to spirit, determination and compassion that humans are capable of. Though also a reminder of the darker side of human motivations...
@GenoCyber No, they are referring to the many terrible things done to Floyd’s body after his death. Nobody’s contending that the way in which Floyd died isn’t beyond horrific.
@Haha Trumpets Imagine when that lamp went out... Imagine before that too, after the cave collapsed and he was all alone again, with that lamp as only company and warmth, only for it to go out and leave him all alone again in pitch darkness... He had surely gained much hope after seeing more and more people helping to get him out only for it to all go away like that.
The contrast between the hilarious animation and voice acting versus the incredibly intense story was amazing. One of the best YT documentaries I've ever seen.
@Q҉u҉i҉l҉i҉b҉e҉t҉ Rubbish. We conquered the world with our pros. Mother Nature would have relegated us to the mass grave of extinction if we had more cons than pros.
The way that Floyd’s body was treated after his death is possibly the most appalling, disgusting and disrespectful things I have ever seen happen to an individual in my life.
The sentence "the cave refuses to let him go" always gives me chills. It's as if the cave is alive, and has a will on its own. On every turn, the cave is just refusing to let him go. Floyd tried to profit off of it, and now it has screwed him right back. Probably the closest thing to a real Eldritch abomination as it can be.
Yeah, I really love environmental storytelling. I'm trying to gradually work it into my own videos, so far I've mostly tried using the weather and odd lighting. It's kind of unusual in modern Western literature/film and that makes it feel unfamiliar and disconcerting at times. Here, the room Floyd was trying to get to looks vaguely like a mouth full of teeth. The fact that IH (and editors) showed it multiple times demonstrates they were aware of how viscerally hostile it looks. I think a lazier channel would have ignored it.
Similar to how here in the Great Lakes we talk about the lakes like there mystical creatures “She’ll smile at yo Ulithi her eyes a deep then bury you broken and rusted” “The lake it said never gives up her dead when the sky’s of November turn bloody” And so on
Gerald, Homer, and Miller really were the realest here. Absolute Kings trying to get their friend and brother out. And Miller didn't even know the guy but he put his life on the line.
41:00 holy shit thats one of the scariest moments I've seen in a video. For both sides. On one hand, Floyd didn't want to be alone in the dark. He just wanted to have someone with him. On the other, that guy only came to help and Floyd tried to get him to stay to his probably doom just so he wouldn't be lonely.
But I feel like in this moment, floyd knew his final hours are coming up. That odds are he has accepted the fact that this cave in will just be the nail in the coffin, he not only didn't want to be left alone, but I can assume he also wanted to send any parting words to his family.
What broke me entirely after this moment (and I was already horrified at this part) was the stuff right after where they could have raised his head so it wasn’t sitting in the cold water, or the feeding tube or the radio or the phone line. All things that may have saved his life in the long term.
Some One2022-11-19 21:52:18 (edited 2022-11-19 21:54:15 )
@fatalynn7 Makes me think that if everyone just stayed away and a few people who knew what to do went into the cave, he would have lived. Miller alone almost freed Floyd from that rock just by himself according to this video. If there weren’t hundreds of people ruining the integrity of the cave, melting snow around the opening, and being a distraction; one strong, capable, focused team may have been able to save him before the cave-in. Everybody wanted to be a part of the excitement, and didn’t stop for a second to realize their own inability or the very real consequences of their actions.
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Luke Skywalker2022-11-23 08:33:46 (edited 2022-11-23 08:36:55 )
@Some One well yes. Gerald already said it, that so many people near the cave, lighting fires when most of the cave was held up by ICE, it was gonna melt it and cause a collapse.
No one listened. Till it was too late.
They probably would have been able to save him if they went away at least 100 meters.
But nope. Let's all round up and light fires NEXT TO THE CAVE.
Bloody morons.
Of course, it's very possible that it wasn't just them. It was the lightbulbs in the cave as well. While it did light up the cave unfortunately it also heated it up.
The fact that it protected Floyd from freezing and dying from exposure says it all.
Hell, Floyd himself apparently dies moments after the lightbulb goes out.
Also Henry St. George Tucker Carmichael (Superintendent of Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company) was an Anglo Saxon which was not depicted accurately by Mr "Internet Historian". He took a few liberties in his re-telling of this harrowing story.
@elcucaracho Indeed, many segments of society had limited opportunities for advancement which is morally wrong. My issue is that people are increasingly representing history incorrectly for the purpose of social engineering. Important to accurately portray historical events, both good and bad.
@Mr Al Yeah I’m kinda morbidly curious with the results of a generation of people being imprinted very early on with the image of Achilles being Black when he’s explicitly a blonde in the Iliad.
@elcucaracho Where is Achilles being shown as black? He's Greek. Greek people back then were dark-skinned. Usually due to... ya know, ancient peoples being outside a lot. It's a tan. Therefore you can be extremely tan but still have blond hair.
It's equally inaccurate to say he was a pasty white guy.
@eat hot chip and lie Theres a series where he is played by a black actor, just search it up. Also I never said he was a pasty white dude, don’t put words in my mouth. I simply said he’s a blonde on the Iliad, and it’s pretty clear for someone who is not having a racial agenda that if he ever existed he would be closer to a olive skinned/tanned Swede rather than a subsaharan African or a Semite. And btw it’s pretty much established that the Mediterranean elite was in its majority distinct racially from the peasant masses. Mediterranean elite were at least initially heavily descended from the Indo-European patriarchal horse rider populations that subjugated the swarthy matriarchal native Europeans.
I’m part of the Estes family, originally from the Cave City area, and this is an amazing write-up of this story! My grandfather met Floyd Collins when he was young, and we still hold land with caves on it in the area.
I wish I had found this video sooner, but thank you for making this! ❤
the fact that you are from one of the familys mentioned in this video is a crazy coincidence but the fact that its more of a side character that is only mentioned shortly makes it believable
Was this way darker than Internet Historian's usual stories? Absolutely. Did it give me an entirely new spectrum of hopelessness and utter horror? Like you wouldn't believe. Was this one of the most fascinating gritty real life stories I've ever heard? Without a goddamn doubt.
There's probably a deeper meaning behind all of this. Something about greed, ambition, or simply a dangerous stubborness. But honestly it's just so tragic
@Mad Adder the monkey's paw is a classic horror story by W.W. Jacobs. The closest to it in the twilight zone was "the man in the bottle" which is about a genie that grants wishes with increasingly complex downsides. First it fixes a broken cabinet Next they wish for money but the IRS take the majority in tax leaving them as broke as before Then they wish to be a beloved leader, who can't be voted out of office, of a major country- they become Hitler and Eva Braun in the bunker at the end of WWII. The genie explains earlier in the episode that they offer 4 wishes now because 3 leaves people disappointed but too many let's people run wild so they use the last wish to go back to how things were before, but the genie leaves the cabinet intact... Which they then accidentally break.
@Nirvanic Some parts of the inside, but not the part he was trying to dig out. Regardless, it is weird to think that he died trying to dig it, and nobody ever got to it.
@Edzo The Don In 1925 rural Kentucky, yeah. Remember, farming is all but useless in the area and every local family is well-versed in caving and moving rock, so mining was likely a saturated job market. Prohibition was also in full swing, which meant moonshining would be met with extra prejudice from both the law and competitors, so distillation was largely out of the question.
At that point, why wouldn't digging holes be any worse than choking on coal dust or getting shot at over whiskey?
@Toronto Tonto Well he wanted to turn the cave into a tourist attraction precisely to gain money, I don't think he had all it would take to hire a complete mining team and pay for all the equipment to make a proper entrance.
I think the most tragic part of it all is that, you hear the details of what methods they tried and you think "I could've done that better" which is the exact problem that caused so many to show up and hinder the rescue in the first place
Never heard of this tragedy but damn the chills I got towards the end. Just the embalming and disrespect towards his body. And then how long it took to give him a proper burial. Incredibly sad but props to everyone who tried to rescue him
God I don't think I've been affected by a story this much in a while. The constant rise and fall of hope. The desperation. The mere premise, brrrrrr! It shakes me to my core! I legitimately wanna cry for Floyd and I'm not all the way through yet but this makes me feel SO ANXIOUS!
I was shocked as it was slowly explained to me how Floyd was trying to get another man to die with him. Obviously so much of this story is shocking, but that part... I felt like I finally understood the level of torture he was suffering.
The part where he lied about needing water and intended to trap that other guy down there just to avoid being alone was so fucking dark, and completely understandable
@Thicc Thicc Thicc Thats not what i was saying. I was saying that the guy checking the integrity of the cave probably lied about floyd attempting to trick him to trap him.
@strangebrew420 I would like to mention that none of us have any idea what the situation was actually like. According to IH, floyd said he was thirsty, but then would not drink the coffee offered. IH gives what is likely Kacey's take on the situation, but who knows what is actually going through the mind of a man whos been trapped in the cold for 114 hours at this point. I cant imagine he has the mental capacity to realize what it is he's doing when asking Kacey to stay.
@CactapusCotton Under the conditions he was in, it makes sense he wouldn't have wanted coffee despite his thirst. It has laxative effects and can mess with your digestion. Couple that with inconsistent shifts between days-long fasts and occasional food, while being prone over solid rock for days, and coffee would've just made him feel 100 more miserable.
@Publius Ventidius Bassus I wonder if them giving him so much coffee dehydrated him faster as well. I know we can't go long without water, but laying completely still, we may need less.
English “fey,” how a man behaves when his mind is desperately trying to evade thinking about his impending, inevitable doom. Pippin uses it to describe Denethor in The Two Towers. And yeah, it is every bit as creepy as it sounds. Was he trying to "trick" someone else into being buried with him? Probably not. He was desperate, at least a little delirious, and about to be utterly alone. He wanted company and didn't care too much how at that point. I'm sure he wasn't thinking straight.
the guy was seeing his own death for days at that point and all that in the dark, unable to move, while pissing and shitting himself. he was not in his right mind, neither should be judged as such
@Linas Kvedaras The narration said Floyd knew the cave was collapsing. If that's actually true, then yes, his desperate attempt to secure company was a trap
@khhnator Bodily functions are a thing stories like this always tend to skip over, despite the fact that it's another horrible part of being trapped. Only Candace Newmaker's story describes it, and that's why it is one of the most disturbing tales I've ever read. Lying in your own excretions makes the whole experience even more stressful, uncomfortable and harder to endure.
@Amelia Bee You have no heart to say something like that, and have obviously never experienced anything even comparable. That man is a saint. His mistake was obsessing over profit, and that's it. After the first collapse all is forgiven.
@Publius Ventidius Bassus I mean he didn’t exactly have the ability to go to the bathroom I’m sure he didn’t feel like shitting himself for the 7th time.
I think it's worth noting tho that this part was taken from notes of that guy, a scared to death worker that genuinely did not want to be there any second longer. It should be taken with grain of salt.
weirdly enough they both might have survived if he had trapped the other guy. They may have shared body heat enough to fend off exposure until the military dug through, though thirst and starvation would have been a concern.
@strangebrew420 Which oddly enough, gave people the impression that things like this were actually healthy. We know now that alcohol from a health standpoint, isn't exactly good for you. However, people then just knew that it extended life so to speak. The actual reason was, that it's the brewing process of things even such as beer, that kills the microorganisms in water that make people sick.
It's very sad story and it actually left me with hard feelings for a couple days after watching. Can't even imagine how horrible this death was. However, I'm also thinking about "what would you expect?". You know, it's not like it was misfortune or uncontrollable events that lead to this - going inside a 9 inch hole covered with razor sharp crystals to jump into another even smaller hole covered with razor sharp crystal is basically a suicide. Like, he shouldn't have returned even the first time he decided to go there. And yet he continued to piss off his luck each day. And it also wasn't one of those situations where the person just didn't know how dangerous something is, he knew everything.
it's the 1920's, the common folk didn't have much going on upstairs if you know what I mean. Digging out a cave ass first without reinforcing or widening any tunnels or access points, you could only expect it to end this way
@Daniel Smith Very much this. I still don't understand why he didn't start working in The Turnaround Room first, then forwards, instead of squeezing through to the other side like that and then digging. But apparently he was quite a spelunking fanatic.
@Daniel Smith I disagree. I think “common folk” are the same in 1920s as they are now. Whether how stupid or smart you think they are. I have friends who would do this today. I sure as hell wouldn’t. I would’ve been one of the turnarounders. I respectfully disagree on that though, to just say common people back then didn’t have much going on upstairs!
@Daniel Smith I didn’t realize that, that’s a good point. But also I think a 1st grader would know that it’s not smart to go into a cave like that, or any person who dropped out before high school would too.
@Dan and Tab It's all speculation on my part but i'm guessing he wanted to keep the secret around what he was doing. The people at Cave city obviously knew about Sand Cave but nothing about what it was like past the squeeze and further to the deep end.
Like a moth being drawn to the light. Saw an opportunity to make money and give a better future for his family then took it. He was young and dumb, I'd believe it. The first few times he was probably extremely wary and cautious, but gradually became used to it and let his guard down. Things like this don't happen quickly, it occurs over time. There's a common fable about boiling a frog in hot water. If you suddenly place the frog inside, the frog will obviously jump out of the boiling water. But if you first put the frog in the room temperature water, and slowly start to increase the heat, it won't jump out and will slowly cook to death.
To you or me this obviously seems dangerous and as if he was trying to die, but he was going down here for weeks and was perfectly fine. He clearly knew his away around the cave if he could navigate it purely by touch. In retrospect, its easy to say how something was obvious and how its clearly not safe, or how it was stupid for the people squatting outside and making campfire which loosened the cave ceiling; just like the people after Floyd was caved in by the rubble saying "why didn't we put in a radio?" or "why didn't we put down a tarp so he wouldn't freeze in the water?".
But yes. It's very unfortunate and I just can't imagine how it must've been like for him, for his brother, or any of his other loved ones. The part that was most heartbreaking for me was how he describes that at first he was afraid and didn't know if he would get out, but after having so many people help him he had courage and believed that he would get out of the cave with both of his legs. It seems like such a horribly perfect case of dramatic irony, it doesn't even feel real. Like a play or a movie.
For his brother or his friends, at first it must've seen incredible seeing Floyd becoming well-known and having the support and help from everyone around the entire country. But him slowly becoming dehumanized, a spectacle, a mere form of entertainment being capitalized on as he gained popularity and notoriety must've been incredibly disorienting. I mean, after an experience like that, how could you possibly not hate people?
And as the saying go, history repeats itself. People and society often like to emphasize the differences in us; sex, race, nationality, economic class, generations. But it is astounding how much more we are alike than we are different. Even today you see the same phenomena of how as someone becomes well-known they are subsequently dehumanized and become a spectacle in celebrity culture. Paparazzi having no qualms about invading the privacy of celebrities, strangers on the internet pointing out every little flaw or imperfection. In fact, that reminds me of a case of a Japanese professional wrestler named Hana Kimura. She was on a "reality" TV show, and she gets angry for one of the members on the show for accidentally damaging her wrestling costume, which results in her slapping him.
This resulted in absolute OUTRAGE online by fans. Tons of insults and death threats were directed to her. It was an absolute witch hunt because on the internet, anyone can say anything they wanted anonymously.This resulted in her killing herself. What did the legal system do about it? 2 men were charged with cyberbullying and had to pay a 66 dollar fine. 66 dollars.
Because of this incident, Japan has passed a bill making online insults punishable by jail time up to a year and a fine of up to approximately 2,224 dollars.
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Sherlock Smuuug2022-11-10 16:16:42 (edited 2022-11-10 16:20:39 )
@Daniel Smith Of course people were generally less educated back then, but not having a good (or even halfway-decent) education doesn't mean someone is stupid. It just means they may not be able to use their existing intelligence to its fullest potential.
You don't need a good education to realize what Floyd was doing was incredibly dangerous. But his experience probably made him overconfident, coupled with the fact that he had done this exact thing for a while without incidents.
@Daniel Smith The time period has little to do with how it could have gone better or why it went the way it did. Even in 2009, with all the technology we've developed since the 1920s, the Nutty Putty Cave Incident still managed to happen. Sometimes people just can't be saved despite all the efforts; it has nothing to do with the intelligence of the people during the time it happened. They did the best with what they knew and what they had at the time.
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Daniel Smith2022-11-17 08:25:53 (edited 2022-11-17 08:26:16 )
@MysticMetaKnight “they” did not do the best they could have done. They hosted a freaking carnival above the cave creating an inevitable collapse.
@MysticMetaKnight First, the notes are made to look like simple copyright disclaimers, not warnings about the lack of journalistic integrity. Second, there is a difference between satire and demonizing a dead man's father unecisarilly and literally lying about the place that Floyd was buried, which was the only reason he went in the cave.
@Agente Polaris also, this dude was an experienced caver and knew how to go in and out of a cave. His only mistake was breaking his lamp. Doesnt make him dumb, just an unfortunate accident. It’s no different from experienced climbers who die on Mount Everest.
For those who don't know, this incident also proved as inspiration for the film "Ace In the Hole" (1951), which recounts the story (until after Floy's death) in a really captivating and exciting way. Definitely check it out, one of my favorite films of all time.
This story both demonstrates humanity's best, and humanity's absolute worst. That part where two random losers just lied that he was fine, is so disgusting.
@nikki terry They likely thought it was a hoax and wanted to hurt the hoax. if they were right, they'd probably be mentioned as daring do-gooders now. it's the same vigilante shit with the same problems.
They gained the same thing that all people like them gain: the smug feeling that they have done something to manipulate (or derail) a big event.
It's ultimately always about power and control, about having a dark little secret that makes them feel special. Same thing that's happening today in the states.
@nikki terry they went down there, so they'd be seen as big pussies if they came back out and said, "uhh... yeah, no, I got scared and left him down there without giving him any food or drink."
just people covering their own asses, as they tend to.
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Jay Eisenhardt2022-09-30 12:41:04 (edited 2022-09-30 12:42:34 )
@Peter Clarke Shows how big it grew from one news paper's money involved to the state government money involved and how it could make them look bad. How another paper just said ok to anything and everything they hear without checking. To everybody gotta make sure it's real to save face.
Imagine if they were fooled by a farce they would have to keep it up or admit they were tricked. Easy to see them never admitting that. Even worse the common "I give to charity" becomes "the check is in the mail" and it never gets there. That always seems to happen then or now. One guy getting his monkey paw wish to make the cave famous, it only cost him his life and to become part of the attraction, part of the cave for a generation.
@Peter Clarke It's not ultimately always about that, in fact a lot of these lunatics ascribe to the same "dark secret" line of thinking you're describing and feel that's enough justification to take things into their own hands even if it meant being dishonest. It's not unlikely they actually believed it's a hoax and that they're doing the world a favor by being pieces of shit
@nikki terry It comes from a sense of self-righteousness that feeds into their narcissistic beliefs where they know the truth and everyone else is wrong, evil, or misled. They believed in the fringe conspiracies, hoax that was this man trapped in a cave was a hoax. So they tried to spread a message to go against the popular narrative in all the papers: that this man really was stuck down there. How could he be stuck for so long and not have been rescued yet? It makes no sense! It's all a conspiracy for x reason.
@Steve Harvey Nothing is more sad than a person who is incapable of distinguishing between feeling special and important, or actually deserving to feel special and important
It was far more than just 2 losers, but it was mostly teenagers that had done this. Though that wasn't as bad as Clyde Hester who told everyone Floyd had died around this same time.
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Cesar Alvarado2022-11-11 04:55:48 (edited 2022-11-11 04:57:30 )
Ive watched every IH video at least 4 times, but this may be the most difficult to rewatch for me. Floyd's story is just so sad, he just wanted to have something of his own and suffered on life and after death
It's testament to internet historians storytelling abilities that, even though I knew what was going to happen to floyd the whole time, I was still genuinely invested in the rescue and saddened by his death and how the public treated his body
My stomach dropped during that initial zoom out from Floyd's position to the cave entrance. It was a lot farther, a lot *deeper*, than I had hoped it would be. There is something terrifying about that on a primordial level.
I've heard this story before, and the thing that gets me is just how Homer didn't hesitate to help his brother. He crawled into a cave tunnel, spent hours trying to bury him out with his hands, fed him, chastised everyone who wouldn't help, pulled the rope outta 5 mens' hands, and did his best to get Floyd outta that cave whether alive or dead- like that is some real family. Mad Respect for Homer.
@Bernardo Heusi What do you expect? Floyd obviously released on himself continuously, they would have left that out of the story. His pants were most certainly soaked with urine and fecal matter after being trapped down there for that long. What I am amazed about is how that guy managed to breathe. He was being crushed by rubble which would have made breathing itself difficult, but he was enclosed deep in an air deprived shaft for that long whilst the limited air he would have had access to contained large amounts of dust that would have cut through his lungs making breathing even more painful than before.
@Bernardo Heusi As I said, he would have released on himself. It isn't like he could do anything about it with the position he was in. ALL of these stories conveniently leave those kinds of things out because they are considered embarrassing and shameful to discuss. The real question is how did he masturbate? Think about it. My guess is that he vigorously dry-humped the rubble whilst imagining taking a gander beneath his hot neighbor's frock. That's what I would do anyway.
And can we get a shoutout to Miller? He went well above and beyond the call of duty. He could have gotten his interview and booked. But he came closer to rescuing Floyd than anyone else, not to mention the support he gathered from the public that made the final (unfortunately too late) rescue attempt even possible. Plus, he even turned down an offer to sell out. Dude is a journalism legend.
@Why are Jews so ugly?🤔 if theyre slow enough to go 60 feet deep in a cave, during a time when the only sufficient lighting is candles and fragile lanterns? not a fuckin Chance. check the mortality rates back then
@Why are Jews so ugly?🤔 In that situation? I wouldn't even blame my own brother for abandoning me. Heck, if he even made it down there, I'd just ask him to shoot me and end it.
@imaloony8 Miller is what every journalist should strive to be. He didn't just cover the story, he really tried to help. The fact that he refused what was essentially 1 million dollars for the story speaks VOLUMES about him.
Probably what homer was used to. “Oh what’s that? My brothers trapped in a cave again? I bet there’s a growing crowd of people.” Even Floyd’s friend seemed like this was a normal occurrence.
I'm 40 now, but in my early 20's working in a refinery a father/son duo along with a few more coworkers died trying to save the dad after he passed out from vapors in a confined space. We're taught to not go in alone, or at all unless you're part of the rescue team; but imagine standing by wasting precious time waiting on rescue personnel while watching your father passed laid out on the floor. I believe the son, and 1 more guy survived the incident; but the other guys were down in the tank breathing in H2S for too long to be saved. This along with a few more freak accidents have been on my mind everyday since they happened 😪
thanks to Jacob Geller's video, i already knew what happened to Floyd Collins, but the storytelling still made me so hopeful and then, as that hope got crushed every time i Remembered, so very deeply sad. i haven't even gotten to the end and i'm already crying a little
Right?? I almost wondered if I was misremembering the name from Jacob Gellers video, tempting me to hope that maybe this one was a different story, and would end happily
the way the squeeze is described here makes it seem even easier everyone after floyd had to go in head first into a whole that was too small to move while breathing and then drop down a 20ft drop no room to turn just to help floyd and to add on top of that they had to climb up a 20ft drop BACKWARDS using a rope and alot of strengh
You can judge the power of a documentary if you ever want to pause to google what this is about and what happened in the end. I've done no such thing and sat through the entire video. Amazing
The fact that Gerald moved a half TON of rock is just awe inspiring. The strength and willpower to do that is just insurmountable. I wouldn't doubt that he would have chipped away the whole damn cave to save his friend.
I mean, considering that he was doing it in a super awkward position, yeah, but a half ton is pretty much nothing if you're moving it piecemeal. Takes like 15min to move that much brick. Having to rope it out in a bucket is probably what made it take so long
@Artorias Of The Abyss Yeah, we get it. You've never done a day of work in your life, and sneer at others' accomplishments because it makes you feel better about having none of your own.
@Steven Schnepp ah yes, simply gravel and rubble, which has no relevance, significance or connection to rocks, whatsoever. Man took out half a tonne of gravel and rubble? nah, that ain't a whole ass rock fam, he's mid.
@Joe another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
now if we were to adjust this to an open space with alot of room to move then it would also be adjusted for you to have to atleast move 4 tons within 3 hours with nothing but your hands thats how impressive that is even just being upside down for an hour is hard enough now doing that while shoveling 500kg of gravel with a tin can and then having to pull yourself up for a 10ft drop is just mind boggling to me yet some people say "500kg is actually not that hard i could do that"
@Jess H another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
and he only had a tin can in any other conditions hed prolly have to move 5tons within 3 hours with no tools to even compare to what he did here
@Artorias Of The Abyss another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
now i am imagining you in bed on your phone looking at a comment like this and most likely dropping your phone at times because your grip gets too loose to hold it yet this dude did 500kg of rubble with a tin can and his bare hands upside down in a narrow hole that didint even allow for him to turn
The feeling of terror I get from watching this comes from me knowing this is totally a problem I would get myself into if I were a cave explorer. The pull to go further into the unknown is so intense.
Sad as it is that he did not ultimately survive, it is inspiring to see the sheer amount of effort that went into attempting to save him from the cave.
Floyd tricking that soldier to come down just to die with him just so he wouldn't be lonely is probably the most haunting part of this story, seriously ominous.
When you go 5 days without seeing sunlight, breathing fresh air, having a normal conversation, all the while pain is coursing through your body and being powerless to move does things to your mind, that part terrified me as well
@Jofe_co this, he was like a dying man in a hospital bed. People are social, pack creatures at heart, he was definitely the loner type, but this was an extreme that would leave him feeling very, very alone and scared, no wonder he wanted anyone to just stay with him, to distract him from the torment of his own thoughts.
This is one of the more terrifying ways to die depending on your personal mental state, i struggle to think of worse ways frankly.
funny thing is, if he HAD gotten stuck down there, and he happened to be have food/water with him, floyd might have survived. more likely that they both would have died, but its very possible that both of them could have gotten out of it
@carb har harb car Floyd died of exposure, at the point that the cave started collapsing Floyd was a goner and certainly wouldn't have survived. The other guy would've probably still been alive, but no way in hell someone would risk that just to console a dead man.
@Vihara2 There is a worse one. There was one called John Johnes, who went in the nutty putty cave and became stuck upside down for 72 hours. Rescuiers kept trying to free him, but they only made it worse and he descended deeper, until he finally died being upside down for more than 72 hours. This is way worse.
@Casey Dopp Contrary to popular belief, the Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company that Henry Carmichael worked for was not, in fact, part of the national guard. Shocking, I know.
@MrArbaras no, it's actually worse. Floyd survived the cave in. His misery would've ended sooner if the cave in killed him, but it didn't. Man had to suffer a few more days after that happened.
Great video! So much more entertaining than just storytelling with a couple of photos. I was sad to see there aren't anymore of historic videos on this channel.
Can you imagine being stuck in a cave and as you try to dig your way out you find skeletons and one has a note that reads, 'This cave is for the brave to live out their days and now you are stuck with them in their grave.'
What saddens me is that he died about the same time his light went out. When a living thing has hope, their body will trudge on long after it should have given out. I believe when that light burnt out, so did his hope. And so he simply gave up. Perhaps if he knew they were digging for him he would have survived, although still unlikely.
oh this reminded me of some video i watched a while ago, about some entity that's a flesh hole and a national park i believe? some analogue horror/scp-esque thing, pretty interesting!!
I'd say the way the cave is formed has a very sinister feel to it. The way it slowly tightens but then opens up again would give you a sense of reprieve, encouraging you to go into the next tight chute. And as soon as it looks too tight to continue, it opens up to another open space, covered in the most beautiful crystals and stones imaginable, just a short crawl away. You've already bled, bruised and come this far, just for the sake of it, so why stop now.
It's a literal honey-trap and radiates Made in Abyss vibes.
Fr, especially when it comes to cave stories like this. Just when things start to look bright, something happens that completely squanders it. This story is the prime example because Floyd had so many chances to get out alive, but problems just keep leading into another. Rest in peace.
The allure of the cave formation beyond the Squeeze, the grifters taking advantage of the situation while destabilizing the cave, the dentist using Collins as a morbid tourist attraction; it's almost as if the cave was the Sin of Greed made manifest.
I interpret the Rouge rock that falls onto Floyd's leg as a tooth, clamping down and keeping its prey in place as it squirms and tries to escape, yet all in vain anyways.
I'd heard the basics of this event before, but this is masterful storytelling. Learning about the existence of the Kentucky Cave Wars was worth a watch all by itself.
I can't help but picture what torture that must of been to be trapped down in that cave for 2 weeks. Pinned freezing unable to move or see, never knowing if the next time you see a face will be your last. The scariest part is they were able to tell he was still breathing when the light went out. Maybe by then he was unconscious, i hope so because if not what thoughts go through your head when that light burns out and your left alone again in the dark. Did they give up and leave me, is this the end? What a terrifying way to die
His brother is a real one. Immediately travels 10 hours to the cave, enters the cave still in city clothes, squeezes through a small ass hole no one else wanted to go through and starts digging through a large amount of gravel bare handed for 8 whole ass hours and after all that he raises money to get his body out the cave to properly bury him.
@Kyle Abbott they clearly wanted to by entering the cave entrance, but I believe they may have had wrong intentions in the back of their head. Truly those who ventured past the turn around room had courage and strength in the thought of bringing him out alive. In some aspect, it is slightly foolish but God knows we don't make strides towards greatness by following our incessant need to be safe and comfortable. Forge a path for yourself and pray you have those strong enough and with best intentions around you. Those who are "stupid" enough to follow you and discover or build something truly great by your side.
And one last thing. Though he perished and many lost out on much needed money, whilst others hastily gathered their earnings by commercializing his suffering, this gave us an incredible and inspiring story. It certainly inspired me and I will always be there for my fellow humans no matter how "stupid" I belive their ideas may be at the time. We must have patience as he did lying there alone. I pray you do the same and leave a more positive impact on this world, no matter how small a contribution. Lord knows most all of us need some positive or brave words/stories right now. The world is chaos but together we can walk through life confidently, maybe even foolishly to something greater. Have a good day yall.
@CsStoker evidently, yet many would and perhaps should (with precaution) lay their life on the line for something or someone they love. It may just end up being something great, tragedy or not.
@BLB Entertainment floyd was an absolute idiot and honestly a piece of shit for recklessly risking his life without thinking of his loved ones. On the other hand his brother homer, miller and gerald acted like amazing human beings for selflessly risking their lives. Remember that Geralds had to save him from a similar situation a year before this tragedy.
@J he did the exact thing every day. It was routine at that point. Not to mention he was more focused on providing for his family and himself during tough times. Can't really knock someone for doing that. As he cared deeply, so did his family and friend. Again was it foolish? A little bit haha but a TON of jobs in the era did not emphasize safety. And what was he supposed to just buy and utilize safety equipment? Shit cost money, and besides he did this since a kid. It was passion and prospect that killed him and many others during his time. Even if he was a bumbling idiot we all learned from his mistakes. No need to go calling a dead man an idiot, or at least without pointing out the 100s of peoples dumb ideas around him too. There's many ways to view the story, I'm just focused on the bright side my guy. Evidently I did not try to overlook the obvious shit. Also man became a celebrity, and people love to hop in and throw money at someone they look up to. Story of an underdog in distress.
@J also you must've lost someone you loved to call him a piece of shit for doing what he felt was his job and duty, and I'm sorry if you did. He simply was not a piece of shit. At least from what information was provided in the story. Love a little more please, I struggle ready to do the same and people calling others POS doesn't help spread the feeling.
@BLB Entertainment Tbh it's for the better that they didn't go, though. The risk of becoming trapped themselves aside, the fact that it was gradually reaching the point of collapse would help indicate that the situation may not have been salvageable from the beginning. They needed to dig him out from the start, with hindsight available to us it's fairly easy to see that the squeeze path would most likely never have worked and each person trying to brave it maybe even contribute to an earlier ruin and becoming trapped themselves.
Bravery is a good thing to have sure, but bravery that isn't met with sensibility is just recklessness or stupidity. Anyone who doesn't have a decent idea of what they're doing should not try to take huge risks in a rescue operation.
@Lewtable yea agree, definitely wise to stay out after the integrity of the cave began to fade. Just as he was blinded of the prospect of getting though, those good people helping mightve killed themselves blinded by saving him, especially since the operation become so large.
@E Van I disagree. Every single one of those people who tried to play hero but ultimately backed out likely believed in God, as most people did at the time. Courage and selflessness seems to be something that few people truly posses, regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof. It does not take a higher power to truly care about those that are helpless and to have the bravery and selfless determination to try to help.
@Kyle Abbott But they weren't above pretending like they had the stones to do it. Very easy to talk about something, far harder to actually DO something, Just like social media today..Some things never change.
@J Wow, this comment is so oblivious and pampered it's sickening. Miners, just to take one job, lived extremely short and hard lives. You do what you got to survive, that doesn't make you, "selfish" it makes a living, get that through your thick skull. Not everyone has a hot bed and three meals a day, best to remember that. There was a time where no one cried about dying.
@BLB Entertainment please don't make judgements based on an inaccurate video. It's not that people didn't want to go in the hole, they physically could not go through. To show how small you needed to be, take note that Miller was 5'5 and 117 pounds.
@nick watt He stole them because he had a vision that you would die horribly by being crushed under the wheels of a garbage truck because the inattentive driver didn't check his mirrors - or you may survive and spend the rest of your life depending on your brother for everything as you sit essentially lifeless in a wheelchair.
@BLB Entertainment Truth is most of them would have gotten stuck in there and they’d also need rescue. It doesnt help anyone to have that happen. I do agree though that they werent looking to save floyd, they were looking for glory
If it were me trapped. I'd rather be shot to death. A quick death would have been infinitely more preferable than to the slow agonizing fate we see unfold here.
I was with mine for sure. My little bro got jumped by an older kid when he was around 13? I (foolishly) snatched up the first guy with long hair and jean jacket I'm 16 / 17? And I hurt that guy (really hurt) 18 / 19? Someone that much bigger, would dare do that shit? But I never asked him if he had anything to do with it. We are in court and his mother was crying upset She says, "what did my boy ever do to you" I (RIGHTFULLY SO) sank within myself in shame, like the POS I was
The only bond I felt more was my first child.
There were a few times, but two notable times.
I Came very, very close to unraveling everything
And releasing a psychopath, that I was unaware I owned. That's not me being clever with my choice of words. That same kid, Is having his first one in 2 months. I warned him that a protective mass murderer Might be born on the same day as your child.
As someone who was in a coma last year, it certainly is a humbling experience to be at the lowest point in your life and see people come to help you and show concern for you.
For all the silliness that made me giggle here and there, this left me in tears in the end. This poor man was disrespected at every turn even after death. This started eerily similar to a Magnus Archives episodes but ended up with much more real horror.
I keep thinking about how he could have asked to be killed quickly so he wouldn't have to continue suffering, but he really did not want to go. And nobody else would probably have the heart to do it. Besides, so much hope was injected into the situation that there was never a reason not to try to hold on just in case. We're all human: When he's as trapped and as alone as a human being can possibly get, he doesn't want to die, and he doesn't want to be alone.
It’s incredibly inspiring that so many people got together to try to save the life of one person even before there was a monetary incentive. The collective effort of everyone and how it caught the hearts of the whole nation is really heartwarming even if Floyd never made it out in the end.
Only like 5 people had the balls to actually make it to Floyd. Everybody else was chickenshit cowards trying to tell the real men what they were doing wrong.
As someone who lives not even 2 hours away from Sand Cave, I never knew anything about all this except for the fact that a man had been trapped in the cave. Wonderful storytelling, it definitely put my partner and I under stress.
@Zaiden Sander Caffeine doesn't provide true energy, it's just a stimulant effect. That said, any small mental boost in that circumstance would be helpful for morale, and the heat of the coffee, like you said, would be vital in his circumstance.
Moving 1100lbs of stones in hour is EASY. Moving it in the conditions he was in is the hard part. But the stone itself? Lmao no. Used to do that daily for a paycheck
1100 lbs isn't as much as it sounds like considering a light deadlift is 180lbs. Split that up into like 10lbs, ez. It's more the conditions that make it so impressive
@Keter Ah, well if Floyd thought it was gonna increase his energy, he would be placebo'ed into feeling like he has more energy so it holds half true I guess
@Keter No actually a stimulant increases core body temperature slightly and provides more ability to resist unconsciousness which in cold temperatures spells certain death.
@Zaiden Sander but coffee contains caffeine, and caffeine is a diuretic, and urination lets out a lot of insulating fluids kept in the body. i'm no expert or even close, the effect of the coffee in terms of heat loss may have been negligible, but i think it might have made some slight difference to have brought him a different beverage / stimulant
That was an effort worthy of being shouted from the rooftops across all Kentucky, but I've only ever heard of it here. "Shocking" is a good word for your reaction, and mine now, too.
Moving over 1100 pounds of rocks and gravel isn’t much of an achievement with a shovel, but doing it with your hands in a very confined space wit the only tool available being a small bucket is one hell of an achievement. Much respect to that young man.
@Morally Evil upside down, in a cramped cave, with an extremely distressed man making it difficult for you to save him
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James Clouse2022-11-03 06:02:02 (edited 2022-11-03 06:06:04 )
Moving 1100 is super easy. seriously moving 1100 of rock is not hard at all. I was 14 when I got a job loading trucks with 1-2 tons of hay. That being said doing it in a cave would be hard but not because of the weight and I could never bring myself to crawl into a cave like that. I don't mean to be a dick but these comments seriously have me wondering if people understand weight because some of them are acting like half a ton is some unbelievable amount of weight for a person to move when its just not at all
@James Clouse but again, it would be upside down, in a claustrophobic cave, with barely 2 feet of room for movement, and a distressed man being in the way of moving the rocks. The weight itself isn’t the most impressive bit, it’s the circumstances.
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James Clouse2022-11-03 14:07:13 (edited 2022-11-03 14:51:44 )
@1 2 yes but some of these comments are 100% really dumb people that are amazed that someone moved half a ton. That's the only reason I commented is because some people are like wow a half ton? Like literally a small teen could do that in an hour and I feel like people have lost their grasp on weight and having to move things if the half ton part is what stood out to them
@Kentucky Critter Camera you forgot the part where he is upside down in a 20ft drop and had to climb up a 20ft drop BACKWARDS after moving that much rock
@James Clouse remember he was upside down in a cave that was so confined that he could probably not even move horizontally not even speaking about vertically and he had to climb up a 20ft drop backwards after he was done and he only had his hands it is a shit ton of weight and a shit ton of work you wouldnt have even made it into the squeeze yet you pretend like its something you couldve done
@Kentucky Critter Camera another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
@James Clouse another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
if the conditions were adjusted to normal ones like an open room with alot of space then the weight would prolly be adjusted to multiple tons of rubble without any tools to help
@Morally Evil another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
@Hambo325 another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
under these conditions it would already be hard enough to just be there for and hour or longer but then to move 500kg of rocks and rubble with nothing but a tin can that is a friend that i can only wish to have some day
@michael HA HA HA HA.. I have been asked, like 2 weeks later WTF does having an airplane with wings of spaghetti. Have in common with the story? NOT what I said; but something that really made an obscure point IN MY MIND, at the time;' It appeared an analogy that would marvel all who were lucky enough to find it.
The personification of the cave is unnerving, and scary... Like it's some eldritch horror that consumes people
spoilers if you havent finished the video
You know when youre watching a movie watching the protagonist go through hell and back expecting a happy ending. This was like a gut punch. ii audibly gasped and low key wanted to cry. finsing out after all the hell he went through he didnt get a happy ending. i hope he found comfort knowing the entire nation was rooting for him to make it out and while physically he was alone. he didnt die alone
The cave did nothing. There were a heck of a lot of selfish pricks around to fuck things up though. But they're dead now, so I suppose you could call it even.
Puuh, your video was bit too good, at least for me. i was the whole day mentally exhausted, just thinking about the same extent, „imagine.. layong around not moving for over weeks.. not seeing anything“ or just not knowing but doing something that basically was your last movement .. anyway i am glad you did another video and it was really good. Very good story telling thats for sure! I feel like animating the story, showing X person for X was quite effective like the last bigger story and I guess made me feel way more empathic than just data, especially the 3D model of the cave was quite much for me to comprehend. I dont know why, but i just hoped all the time, he will come out alive, but in the end it was a ticking bomb all along.
I would like to say ...the way this was done was exceptional ... the humor, the information, the back ground story and the jokes and puns .. i must subscribe thank you i enjoyed every bit
The animated faces really gave me a Fallout, early PC RPG vibe. Hands down, Internet Historian is the best true story teller on the internet, of all time.
when they were drilling that hole and were at about 360 hours, I was like "alright he's probably dead now", and then the hour counter just speeds up and never stops. It's insane.
And to make it worse is how little he could move not to mention how he probably couldn't use the bathroom ether honestly I'm surprised how quickly the story blew up most story's today with the internet don't go viral that fast
@credit crazy it is gross and will probably seen as comedic for some people , but he was pissing and shitting himself down there for that whole time he was trapped--which is easy to forget since the video didn't deliberately point that out. wouldn't be surprising if he got infections from his wounds while waiting to die.
this video was amazing, its shocking how well you can make the viewers feel for Floyd. the descriptions and images make it that much better. id watch it again despite the length, because this was better than a lot of movies I've seen. love it, keep up the amazing content. story telling=immaculate ❤🔥
I became so invested in this storytelling that I actually felt my heart shatter in two when I found out that Floyd couldn't make it. I just assumed that he somehow miraculously survived in the end because of how you narrated the rescue in such detail and it completely caught me off guard when he died anyway. There has literally been no other documentary I have watched that played with my emotions as much as this.
Same, now imagine how it must have felt for all these people and especially his loves one. So much time, so much effort so much hope. As thanos would say: I ask you to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same.
Honestly when I heard the 30 hour estimate I was already sceptical. And then when it was apparent that it got delayed I was under no illusion that he would make it. Hate to be proven right but you cant survive for such long periods of time without heat, water and food...
@Demoulius what’s insane is he survived 2 weeks stuck there. He really deserved to make it out alive. I was so sad when it came the the last cave in after how much work was done to try & get him out
@J Hawkshaw I was rooting for the guy as well ngl. But a person cant survive that long without food and water. And heck the lamp going out which was his only source of heat probably eventually sealed his fate.
I was hoping for a happy end to the story as well but the cards werent in his favour :(
At first I was like this sounds similar to a story I heard about, hoping it might have a better end, only to realize just before the ad read it absolutely was the same story and am now super stressed. My worst nightmare.
Unfortunately, like IH said in the Stede Bonnet video, real life rarely gives you a satisfying conclusion, not even an AR-15 and a jetski would've saved Collins.
Maybe some anti-rock cream would've helped, though.
Yea. And no offense to internet historian, but that 'bit' at the end with the voice actors was... really tasteless. I know it was a century ago, but clearly this man and his family knew only suffering. Its not really..material for a fun bit
From the way it was narrated i could tell he wouldn't survive tbh. I can't really pinpoint any exact timestamps(i'm too lazy) but he kept giving the audience hope in a way that hints the opposite will happen
Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but as low frequency sounds can travel through solid objects much faster, maybe, just maybe, Floyd might have heard the faint rumbling and clashing of pickaxes through the last 20 ft of rock as he was drawing his final breath, as hopeless as he felt when the lightbulb had burned out. So close, yet so far.
This is the most beautiful and well done documentaries I've ever seen. I saw a movie loosely based on this event called Ace in the Hole with Kirk Douglas that has a different outcome from what I remember so I thought I knew what was going to happen. Nope.
Honestly, this deserves praise of one of the best YouTube videos ever created. Amazing job, IH and team.
What saves humanity from its horrendous actions is those few, against all odds and logic, keep on working, thinking and fighting to save one of their own. There are some truly fantastic people in this story... who ignored the naysayers and just pushed on... they are why our species has a chance.
Miller was absolutely inspiring. He was a man who came down to get a scoop. Braved the cave when no one else would, to get said scoop. Saw Floyd first hand, and chose to stick around and help him get out. A complete stranger risking his own life over and over again, to help a person in need
honestly what cemnted him as inspireing was saying no to the deal. now don't get me wrong i completly understand why his brother took it. but Miller had nothing more to do with the case. and rather than enrich himself on the entire story, which wouldn't even be that bad a thing really, he was done.
@M Alif Dentist was like I just bought myself a famous corpse. Court was like, gawd damn right he did. Public was like I'll pay to see that old famous story that didn't turn out so well.
I'm just like, I wish the news stuck to stories like that when ain't shit else happening. Stop causing trouble to make more news. However even here we saw them throwing money to back they hype that they would save him. Everyone saying the same as the paper "pockets open" then the money dries up as usual. The people arguing about it all and some coming up with an ideas, for the next guy. The more things change the more they stay the same.
@M Alif He was just a random capitalist, doing what would get him better off in life. Being a prick, whatever, he's dead, nobody cares about him anymore. What should be remembered was the heroic efforts of everyone involved, from the friends and family, to a literally random stranger who decided to help purely on the empathy he felt.
@Nina a not to mention being in such a tight area, with limited air flow, almost pressed on top of a guy who was covered in his own urine, sweat and possibly faeces. Unreal dedication went above and beyond.
@Nina a i don't think people realize how hard that is. I've worked (for fun, farmer family so you know the deal) in the rice fields, to dug the soil or to seed it and I'll be exhausted in minutes. Cannot even imagine how miller went to such lengths and tried again and again in such a claustrophobic area. That's amazing. What a Chad.
@「Iberis」 didn't even realize it was during the great depression holy shit, turning down today's equivalent of nearly a million dollars during a financial crisis is some king shit.
@Nina a imagine if something collapsed and getting stuck reaching for the jack pressed against floyd face down with the weight of the rock above you. You know Miller had to have imagined it and still he worked.
And he tried to use the jack and crowbar for several hours, probably with barely much break. He was a complete stranger, but practically commited to getting Floyd out of there by any means he could. Man's a legend.
Just a small critique, when Floyd was placed in a cave as a tourist attraction, he was placed in Crystal Cave. It was a nearby cave he had discovered and was much bigger. Sand cave was too small and dangerous for them to use it as a tourist attraction without major changes.
Fantastic content! I'd never heard this story before, and it's a riveting piece of forgotten history. Unfortunately the outcome is given away somewhat by citation of a book title from 1976. So if you don't want to be ripped from the suspense (vis-a-vis the outcome of the rescue mission), try not to read the footnotes at the bottom of the screen.
Liking these longer videos, this is a very well structured video and would like to see more content like this (obviously don’t always do content like this because I can imagine how time consuming and difficult it was to create this) but still
@High Definition During the video the cave is being characterized as not wanting to let Floyd go like some sort of monster that keeps coming back to make sure its prey can't get away.
I’m honestly not sure if it’s scarier to interpret the cave as a monster who thirsts for blood, or just what it is: a cold, unfeeling, unthinking thing which is incapable of caring about you at all, even as it slowly kills you in a freak accident.
This was so very interesting and entertaining 💜 And I have new found admiration for Wendigoon and all his homies for making this entertaining documentary.
Woah, Miller was hell of a journalist. Actually traversing the squeeze multiple times, then helping with the gravel and keeping Floyd company, so glad he won the Pullitzer prize in the end.
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Luke Skywalker2022-09-29 18:32:49 (edited 2022-09-29 18:34:24 )
Yeah, today you have journalists who would push a guy off a building for a chance to get a Pullitzer.
He didn't have any responsibility. He was nothing more than a reporter.
Yet he still tried. Even doing the thing with the crowbar for 4 hours straight. Not to mention having the balls to go through such a tight opening MULTIPLE times.
Journalists were a different stock back then I guess. Look at how they do nothing but stoke riots and act as puppets for the government now. Absolutely shameful.
@XXHoboCatXX Id think profitting is wrong in itself. The problem was to profit by telling cheap trills stories in those types of shows. It all depends on how the profetting is done. He at the end of the day did still profited in a way, it just was the good way.
@Luke Skywalker You can admire someone's deeds without slagging off other people. There are some hero journalists around, just as there were back then, and some are assholes - just as some were back then.
Just a brave guy all around - according to his wiki, he left journalism shortly after and eventually went into broadcasting, where he became known for managing "unusual events" (including the first ever live transmission from a parachute jump).
@Luke Skywalker shut up boomer, journalists today have been off-ed by the Saudi goverment and the other today's journalist is being hunted by CIA for leaking stuffs and forced to hide under Russia's goverment.
Back then journalism was Journalism and not fake news for attention and political propaganda in favor of whatever political faction the CEO happens to be a fan of. At a certain point, journalism stopped being about relating the news, and started being about money and political interests. This is what happens when many news outlets coagulate into giants and the news media environment is ruled by a handful of giants with ties to the government and political parties and who call all the shots.
@Buragi the guy who thinks all journalists are assholes is an antisemite? wow man, big shock you guys are just sore at journalists for reporting on trump being a pedophile or something. sad!
Plus he doesn't seem like he would be an experienced caver. Just the fact he went in once was amazing but how he actively tried to help is simply admirable
@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin in exposure sure but he declined the HUGE summs of money he was offered and that truly shows that he is a man of honor
This might the most invested I feel like i've ever been in a story i was being told before. I can only imagine the sheer amount of work that went into making this but it's an incredibly entertaining video and i'm almost disappointed it was only an hour.
Thought I'd make a rough timeline of the events and what happened on what day to clear things up. Also, while the video was pretty good, it did get some of the things wrong (for example, Day 6/7 wasn't spent arguing - rescue attempts were made). Also, as the text came out super long, this is spread out into different comments.
Friday, January 30th, 1925 (Day 1): - Floyd Collons enters the Sand Cave in the morning. He ends up trapped, and he spends the entire day in the cave, unbeknownst to anyone.
Saturday, January 31st, 1925 (Day 2): - Neighbors realise that Floyd is missing and they start looking for him. They find his coat by the cave, and the 17-year old Jewell Estes crawls to the turnaround point, where he is able to communicate with Floyd. - Neighbors proceed to alert Floyd's family, and his brothers Homer and Marshall join the rescue attempt. They bring Floyd food and water.
Sunday, February 1st, 1925 (Day 3): - The next day, Homer starts to dig out Floyd with little to no success. Floyd's other brother Marshall offers $500 to whoever brings out Floyd (in todays money, thats roughly $8500, though in terms of labor value, thats close to $30 000 in todays terms). - Many promise to help deliver food and water to Floyd, but they get scared in the dark, tight passageways (let's face it, most of us would too), so they instead hide the goods in the cracks and creviches. - By midnight, all rescue endeavours had fizzled out, and Homer could only sit beside Floyd during this cold wet night.
Monday, February 2nd, 1925 (Day 4): - News that a man is trapped in a cave start to spread around the region and state. - Journalist William "Skeets" Miller, Lieutenant Robert Burdon (from the firefighters team) and Johnnie "John" Gerald (Floyd's caving buddy) arrive and they do their thing. - Roughly 200 people are gathered outside the cave. Two tents have been erected, one to sell hot coffee and snacks and the other for first-aid.
Tuesday, February 3rd, 1925 (Day 5): - Floyd has become the top news story in the nation. - National guard arrives to assist with the crowd control. -Skeets Miller and other volunteers rig the electrocal cord with lightbulbs to Floyd Collins, with Skeets Miller placing the lightbulb on Floyd's chest for heat and light - Three men from the Woodson and Kratch Monument Co. of Louisville arrive and try to convince John Gerald to let them chisel away at the rock above Floyd. John refuses to let the try it, as he believes it would do more harm than good. - Henry St. George Tucker Carmichael (Superintendent of Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company) arrives with his workers. He makes the first attempt at an organized and coordinated rescue, but Floyd’s brothers and the locals are convinced that the rescue shaft would jar the rocks and cause a collapse, killing Floyd. Carmichael reluctantly agrees and has his men start removing rocks from the cave passageway to make further cave rescue attempts easier. - As the day went on, the crowd outside became drunkier and rowdier, and a split soon developed between "outlanders" (led by Robert Burdon) and "locals" (headed by John Gerald). Arguments and fistfights became a common thing. - As most of the rubble has been removed by now from Floyd's body, Skeets Miller tries jacks to raise the rock that has trapped Floyd's foot. After hours of trying, Floyd convinces Miller to get some rest and try again the next day.
Wednesday, February 4th, 1925 (Day 6): - That morning, Floyd is in decent shape. Churches across the country hold services for Floyd, and he has become a top news story in New York Times. - The jack idea is tried again. - Robert Burdon holds a press converence, stating that they will hopefully get Floyd out very soon. - The ceiling of the cave is starting to show signs of crumbling, and the passageway is turning unstable. John Gerald expresses his concern that as the people around rise the temperature of the cave, the cave is going to collapse. Skeets Miller and Robert Burbon remain optimostic, but most people aren't listening to them as they are relatively unfamiliar with the area and its caves. - Two men enter the cave to feed Floyd and they notice large that ceiling has developed large cracks. Sizeable rocks are slumping downward and debris is falling. They hurry to exit the cave as rocks start to fall. There is officially a cave collapse that separates the rescue teams from Floyd Collins. - John Gerald makes an attempt to dig out the collapse with a select group of men. They will shore up the sides of the cave as they go, but due to several days of rain, rubbing of the walls by rescuers, a midwinter thaw, and dripping ground water, the cave structure deteriorates further creating another collapse in the passageway. In an attempt to get through the second collapse, several rocks fall on Gerald in his rescue attempt causing him to finally leave the cave admitting defeat.
Thursday, February 5th, 1925 (Day 7): - The Governor of Kentucky, William J. Fields places National Guard Brigadier General Henry Denhart in command of the rescue. - Locals are driven away from the rescue area, and they aren't happy about it. - Entering the cave from the main entrance is now banned, as the risk was life-threatening. - Engineer Henry Carmichael supervises the creation of a 6’x6’ vertical shaft to rescue Floyd. - Drills, dynamite, power shovels, pneumatic drills are excluded from the rescue attempt due to the fear that it will cause the cave to collapse and kill Floyd (video mentioned that they were afraid it would suffocate Floyd, but thats just a tiny nitpick) - The floor of the cavern raised, and walls closed in a few feet ahead of Collins. This would be the last time his voice would be heard. - A guard had to be assigned to Homer Collins, to prevent his entering the cavern. - Many companies and business from all over the country start sending supplies to Sand Cave which is quickly becoming overloaded with items. - A hospital is set up to treat people for cuts, colds, contusions, bruises, and physical exhaustion. - By 7:00pm they are seven feet down with a digging rate of only one foot an hour.
Friday, February 6th, 1925 (Day 8): - Massive amounts of volunteers and supplies arrive to work on the shaft. The process is well organized and managed but due to large rocks, gravel, and muck in the shaft it slows progress. - The shaft has reached 17 feet in depth. - Homer Collins and John Gerald are both banned from the site. Homer, because he evaded Guardsmen and entered the main passageway of the cave to see if his brother was still alive (he was gone for some time, and a party was organised to go in after him as well. When he reappeared, no further action was taken against him as he was in a highly nervous state). John was banned because he and the "locals" criticized the rescue methods loudly and publically, which caused many arguments and fights. - Floyd's other brother, Andy Lee, finally arrives from Illinois after nonstop driving. When he saw the cave opening, he collapsed, and he was taken to the Cave City to recover. - Meanwhile, Floyd's father, Lee Collins (don't confuse him with previoisly mentioned brother Andy Lee Collins), is out milking money from the situation by handing out Crystal Cave advertisements, selling phoographs of Floyd for 1$ a piece and by telling anyone who bothered to listen about Floyd's adventures and how this is all "God's Will". - As there aren't as many updates now, different rumors and lies start to spread as journalists become desperate for new things to write about.
Saturday, February 7th, 1925 (Day 9): - National Red Cross arrives, and they take over the feeding of the workers. The workers had previoisly had only "black coffee, crackers, and moonshine whisky.” - National Guard erects a barb-wired fence to secure the rescue site. - Several people look for other caves or entrances to Sand Cave to possibly gain access to Floyd from another passageway. This is unsuccessful.
Sunday, February 8th, 1925 (Day 10): - The day was nicknamed a "Carnival Sunday", as up to 10 000 people descended upon Sand Cave, hoping to see rescuers pulling Floyd Collins out. The site turned into a carnival-like atmosphere with vendors selling souvenirs, hot dogs, sandwiches, popcorn, and balloons to the curiosity seekers that had flocked to see the tragedy. Con artists roamed around, asking for "donations" to aid the work crew. - The shaft was now 23 feet deep. - The story starts to take a negtive turn in the media, as people start to point fingers and blame each other for failed rescue attempts. Robert Burdon (the firefighter harness guy) goes as far as to say that some of the “rescuers” were “guilty of nothing short of murder.” A rumor is flying around that this has all been a big hoax, and that Floyd isn't even down there.
Monday, February 9th, 1925 (Day 11): - Four main theories fly around - that it's a hoax to lure tourists to see Kentucky caves; that Floyd was murdered by someone unknown after he entered the cave; that food and water are purpusefully kept from Floyd so he would die; and that Floyd isn't in fact in the cave at all. The media loves this.
Tuesday, February 10th, 1925 (Day 12): - A military court of inquiry convenes in the Cave City to clear up any suspicions and to disprove the rumors. - Despite that, the number of volunteers start to drop as the rumors spread. - Rain further slows down the digging process.
Wednesday, February 11th, 1925 (Day 13): - Freezing temperatures and snowfall further slow down the progress on the shaft. - The two phony telegrams are sent
Thursday, February 12th, 1925 (Day 14): - Rescue shaft has reached 48 feet and the sides need constant shoring to avoid collapse.
Friday, February 13th, 1925 (Day 15): - On the morning of Friday the 13th, the men working the shaft said they could hear Floyd coughing. - Denhardt reported his office had received more than 2,000 letters—most offered advice on how to free Collins. - This is the day Floyd Collins most likely died. He had spent the total of two weeks trapped in thay cave; one of them without any food or water (if not to count the water that dropped on his face). However, the combimation of dehydration, starvation and exposure through hypothermia ended up killing him at age 37.
Saturday, February 14th, 1925 (Day 16): - The military court of inquiry delivered its finding, Floyd was definitely trapped in Sand Cave. - The Shaft is now roughly 55 feet deep.
Sunday, February 15th, 1925 (Day 17): - By the end of the night, the lateral tunnel was only few feet away from Floyd. - Most people have lost hope that Floyd is still alive
Monday, February 16th, 1925 (Day 18): - At 10:30 a.m., Homer Collins broke through the military guard on duty at the cave and almost succeeded in reaching and going down the shaft when a rumor stated Floyd was being brought up the shaft. - At 1:30pm they break through to a Sand Cave passage. - At 3:42 p.m., rescuers reported they finally connected the parallel shaft with Sand Cave and discovered Floyd Collins' lifeless body: "No sounds came from Collins at all, no respiration, no movement, and the eyes were sunken, indicating, according to physicians, extreme exhaustion going with starvation."
This story made me feel every possible thing; anxiety, fear, optimism, anger, frustration, sadness, relief, ect. IH; you just keep getting better and better, like a fine wine. I’m showing my grandma (the one that hates everything except you), and I’m sure she’ll love it.
@Childer Yeeter 420 Just search Floyd Collins cave disaster. Theres so many who have done this story. Its one of the most famous cave stories. This one is a pretty horrible and tragic one and i didnt find it go hand in hand with Historians comedy.
@William North He didn't even boother to get his facts straight too. IH has done far more damage than any of the other channels who put out poor quality videos on the matter (not all of them, a few did good.)
Key word: Entertaining. He lied about many things in this. Besides the things he got wrong. Had to make a 50 minute long video kust talking about how many damned things he got wrong.
One of the best stories I've ever heard on internet! The storytelling is very intriguing and the humour is dosed very precisely, not to turn it into a horror which it actually is, but to keep it light enough for an average viewer. The choice of actors is pretty misleading though. I'm wondering why haven't you used the real historic photos? It leaves an impression of Floyd as an irresponsible kid, while he was actually a 37. y.o. experienced cave explorer. Also, ethnic relations in the family seem to be unclear. All in all, nice visuals and animations!
I'm in awe of the moral integrity on Miller. He goes there for a scoop but ends up risking his own safety time and again for a man he barely knows. Even when Floyd passed going so far as to decline that million dollar contract to stay humble. He deserved more than just a Pulitzer.
I feel like if Floyd was rescued alive he would have accepted the contract and Miller probably had that thought when given said contract but didn’t accept it because to him it was wrong and to Miller disrespected Floyd’s death
Jesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and drastically change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. 👍🏾
God is ONE manifesting himself as THREE; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! For these three are one.
As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
When you trust in God and cast your cares (worries, anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts) upon him, they will be NO MORE! Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals!
The world is wicked, evil, and of the devil. I too, was a wicked sinner of the world before I opened my heart to God. I am living proof of God's work and fruitfulness! He is an active God who hears the prayers of his! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous. The devil is a liar that comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy; that includes your relationship with God!
@Iknowtoomuchable I love how easy it is to shut down religious mumbo jumbo by simply asking where was Jesus and their miracles during every disaster and calamity that has affected people of all kind (including religious ones) to this day. It's easy to claim God watches over everyone and protects those deserving but then you see things like this and it's like where is your God now? What kind of God lets a person die such a miserable, lonelly, painful and awful death like the one showcased?
Bad stuff happens because man is bad, the blame of bad or reckless stuff belong to man, not to God. And many times one man suffer because of what other man has done.
God allow man free will, and never promissed a life full of pain, it actually promissed a harder life if you follow him, because the world will oppose the person who follow him. But learning it's teachings like supression of bad impulses, kindness and to love your enemies are necessary to make the world a better place.
The thing is that most people are selfish, why did it take this long for the gov to step in, why did it take this long for people to start digging, why dont everyone there helped dig and make the entrace bigger? Why it took that long for engeneers to come? Many people where there just for curiosity and to sell stuff, and autorities only moved when the story became famous and they found that it would be a good on their resume.
Jim Redd2022-09-30 03:39:13 (edited 2022-09-30 03:39:30 )
@Joikax The dude let himself get crucified. Before that he tried to wipe us all out in a big flood because he got buyer's remorse. Preventing tragedy has never been God's m.o.
@Joikax Don't forget the good old 6y old children with terminal c*ncer. They obviously deserved it - how dare they be born?! Really deserved suffering for years on life support before dying without experiencing a single good thing. Like I ain't got a f*ckin issue with people having 'faith', but when ya go out and start spewing that bulls*it everywhere while denying anything and everything atrocious in the world - now that's being a piece of s*it. Just have your damn faith and leave me the f*ck alone.
@Joikax Usually you just get some nonsense about mysterious ways and ineffable plans. Of course that opens up questions about why they bother praying if the plan is already in place, but that's its own can of worms.
As Bill Burr once said, that’s what a true hero is. Not someone that saves others by ultimately saving themselves, but risking their safety for no reason just to help out another. Truly that man is someone I aspire to be now. The integrity, hard work, drive, and morality is Superman levels
@Mudkip lover I don't think he would have been offered as much money if Floyd had lived, I think the larger contract would have been offered to Floyd to tell his story.
@Jesus Saves! The bible was written by man. Therefore every word of it is tainted by the greed and pride of man. Things get lost in translation, and blindly following it and using it as a step by step tutorial is the biggest reason why conflict still exists today. No matter the form or content of the book.
If you claim to be a man of god, you should forsake everything you've been thought and find your own path.
So far, humanity has failed in every way. Being led, after all, usually mean you can not see eye to eye for what the creator intended. And for a god to have no competition, will only lead to stagnation and downfall since the concept of perfection does not exist. I'm certian even god agree to this.
If we where created with a purpose, then it most have been that... standing on our own 2 feet, head held high as an equal. A companion to god if you wish. It's lonely at the top after all. And not its slave bound by endless servitude, always asking for permission and forgiveness for our own misstakes. Unless we deal with shortcomings ourselves, we will never grow.
And if that's the way god intended it, to be stuck as children and never face true responsibility, then count me out. Strike me from this withering body, dying earth and its seemingly doomed future. It should be obvious now, that the shortcoming of a few can lead to the downfall of us all. And asking to be saved by a higher power is an insult to the very god that created us, since we where given the tools to fix it ourselves.
A lack of understaning and being "lost" is perfectly fine, but most folk tend to abide by the golden rule instinctively and with no handholding required. But to preach as if you have the answer like you've already reached the gods level, is nothing more but blasphemy by your own rules. You are nothing more than a hollow wretch. I'd like for you to leave, reflect, and grow up.
Humanity got a long...long way to go. And something is telling me it's gonna be a long... long and rough winter. Hopefully that time will bring us quite bit closer. Good luck folks.
Yours truely: Just a Self-Proclaimed observer of sorts I guess
@Mudkip lover Miller probably blamed himself for Floyd's death too. if he hadnt made it such an attraction the cave may have stayed stable enough to successfully rescue him.
@Jesus Saves! “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
And I say unto you, does your faith rest on so soft a bed that it must be proclaimed from the corners lest it fall
@Artorias Of The Abyss 1. You misused the passage (because it doesn't apply to me) and are very much out of context. It is evident you do not know God's word and are trying to falsely accuse me; attempting to sway those with no understanding of the passage, like yourself, against the clear message of Jesus Christ being our Savior.
2. Matthew 6 was talking about the Pharisees who pranced about talking like they knew God to unknowing people to look like they were very religious and knowing. When God and they themselves knew they were false, their reward was others thinking they were very religious. Putting on a facade, a show, for reputation; when in reality they are a bowl that looks filled but when you put your hand into it, it's empty and hollow.
None of this is what I am doing, I am informing strangers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, God's works, and denouncing the devil's lies. That they can walk away from their life which is controlled by sin, through Jesus!
@hayorge27 If you really desired help, you would have been more specific. Not leaving room for misunderstanding of your situation. How would one help you when you don't state what you need help with?
@EnthuZ The Holy Bible was written by men directed (led) by the Holy Spirit (God). It is the infallible word of God and not mistranslated. It's the love of wickedness and hate for righteous reproval that the ye do not believe in God. Having no faith because ye love evil more.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
John 3:19-21 KJV
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
@Jesus Saves! The god in the Bible is Yaweh and he wants to circumcise your [CENSORED] so he can drink the discharged blood. Yaweh made Moses his gimp and demanded heaps and heaps of blood sacrifice from all the non-believers. He feeds off of blood. ALL SHALL KNOW HIS WRATH! Amen. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to get buggered by a priest. PRAISE THE LORD!
@banuan lol it's not fanfic it's straight from the bible. What... you think you're better than the bible? Huh? YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN YAWEH?!?! HUH??! SMITE THOU INFIDEL!!!! *EDIT* lol banuan has been SMITED!! Or is it smote? He's gone, comment is where to be found. BEHOLD THE POWER OF YAWEH
Homer being able to make it through makes sense, since that's his brother so he's highly motivated, but after hearing about all those so-called experienced carvers chickening out and LYING about it after bragging like a bunch of assholes, Miller comes in looking not just like a badass, but like a genuinely good person. Though Homer's a badass too of course, I just think it's super impressive how Miller was so out of his element, and had no personal stakes, but still did so much to help. They may have failed to save Floyd in the end, but I hope he was comforted by the fact that people were trying to help him, during his last moments of lucidity.
Almost everyone in this story is an asshole looking for profit, even to the point of using his corpse for tourism, but the journalist of all is a saint. How times have changed.
@Joikax God died a gruesome death, for our sins. Peter his disciple was hung upside down a cross, Stephen was stoned, numerous Christians were brutally murdered. No one is going to have life easy, bad things happen because of sin. Satan is the prince of this world, but Christ came to forgive our sins and offer his eternal life if we believe in Him.
2 Corinthians 12:10
For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
When he declined the prize, you can completely feel how Miller felt. Defeated. He intended for a scoop but ended up with companionship that ran deeper than intended. The Pulitzer Prize, something that he would’ve drooled over before is now irrelevant compared to the life that he just lost.
it's like a movie plot. small time guy or gal going in for the story and ends up being a huge asset. I also really liked how miller turned down the money, It really felt kind and human.
@Alex right? Did they miss the part when Floyd was praying and talking about heaven, and his family were religious too? Even in the worst circumstance he found peace with God. Why are atheist get a hard on to say he didn't go to heaven?
@Duck Meat Nobody said that. They are just replying to a random religious fanatic in the comments taking any chance he can get to copy paste bible quotes.
@MrBlur there are still journalists going into active war zones and the like. Its just that most journalists and newspaper have lost their integrity. But even back then thats wasn't uncommon.
A person willing to risk their life to save someone they didn't even know and tell their story- and not want anything in return? That's just incredible. Truly a rare breed of human. Probably a dead breed by now.
@Jesus Saves! Are you sure a random comment on a video about a man stuck in a cave is the proper place for this? You can't possibly expect to be doing anything for anyone here.
If you're really serving God, you should probably find better places to do that work- places and settings where you might actually reach people and have a positive effect on them.
I'm sure your intentions are good, but if all you're doing is upsetting people, are you really doing anything at all?
@Joikax Oh boy, you really owned religion with that basic question people have been asking since the dawn of time!
No religion claims to protect people from suffering on Earth. To the contrary, they all make a point of life being cruel and miserable. It's about understanding the world and what's beyond. You'd know that if you bothered trying to understand it on even a basic level.
Disagree with religion if you want- it's your eternity/nothing to spend as you please- but don't act like you're intellectually superior because you can ask a question (that religion DOES answer). Try reading a book or something. Though, maybe arguments that can be fully embodied in a single paragraph are more your speed?
@RedTank90 Whether you understand me posting in this comment or not, is irrelevant to God and his plan. Knowing not your own future or anyone who stumbles upon this comment's future, what knowledgeable information can you speak to say this is in vain? You know not what information they will hold on to and recall in a future event, because it was told to them here.
It's not always about how people react immediately to information given to them, it's about planting the seed and letting God do the rest. Lean not on your own understanding, but God's. Trust in his view and not yours, which is limited.
Matthew 24:14 KJV
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
You read the comments of people with hardened hearts and are against God. These are people who are actively denying God for their sinful life, they are going to be upset when they hear what they're doing is wicked and wrong. That does not mean they are the only people reading my message, just the ones commenting.
Luke 10:16 KJV
16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
John 15:18-19 KJV
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15:22 KJV
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
God's children are tasked to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's works 😄! That the truth is known and all are without excuse. That means informing people who do not want to hear it.
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Psalm 96:3 KJV
3 Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.
Psalm 105:1 KJV
1 O give thanks unto the Lord; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.
John 14:6 KJV
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Matthew 10:33 KJV
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Romans 10:15 KJV
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
@RedTank90 I attended cathechism for years when I was younger up until I was around 17 before quitting so I did read and hear quite a lot; but you are free to make judgements as is usual of religious folk despite claiming to be open minded and accepting.
I do bother trying to understand religion and what drives people to be better as fellow human beings put on this Earth together. I despise, however, the way religion has been used throughout history to brainwash people into not only cult-like activities and mindsets but even killing in the name of God...
A God that at any moment's notice is just as happy to bring down a hurricane or earthquake and destroy those believers' homes despite serving Him and trusting Him with their puny lives.
"It's a miracle!"- the women say when a baby is born... no, you should be thanking the doctors and nurses instead. "It's a miracle!"- the men say when it rains and their dry crops are brought back to life... no, it's nature, governed by universal and scientifical rules not tied to a being with superpowers and a desire to help or ruin others seemingly at random.
But what about the 10 Commandments or the Bibble? All written by man, not by a God. Who's to say it wasn't meant as fantasy for its time just like a Harry Potter book is to us nowadays?, written at a time most of the population on Earth was illiterate and had only an inch of the knowledge we now posess about the world and universe as a whole. Back during a time there was no real line communication besides word of mouth and parchments (reminds me of the good old gartic phone game where the original message often gets distorted by the time it reaches the last person to hear it).
Do you want me to keep going?
I respect your belief in a superior being and superior meaning to life. I cannot claim that God does not exist but I will certainly point out the many "plotholes" and fallacies in religious lines of thinking and I'll certainly call out brainwashed bullcrap when I see it.
@RedTank90 Religion means to Re-LEGION. Re up the legion. To worship means to work for. So... which God do you work for? The one who likes male circumcision or the one who likes female circumcision?
@MrBlur c cool it w the andy semitism. Its not nice to speak of midern journos like that
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@schwarz those journalists are jus there to spread propaganda and are from the same group that lied about sadam to cause the war for the benefit of that little country near by that the journalists, wolfowitz and feith and you, mr swartz, are all solely loyal too, which country also produced false intel about yellow cake etc
@EnthuZ You do realise that they 100% believe that it was written by the hand of G-d right, & that LOGIC has no place here....best you will get is "written by 'men' inspired by the direct word of G-d.". WASTE OF TIME. I've been thrown out of H.S. religious class & then studied it all - learned Hebrew, Arabic (Koran), Aramaic, studied w/'a student nun who knew Aramaic & Greek (she used my Hebrew)...looked at Buddhisms, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Wicca, Voodoo...anything fundamental is illogical. Waste of time arguing or debating...that nun left BTW, she couldn't reconcile the inconsistencies w/the texts vs teachings, made her very sad, but saw it as a connection to the human need for ritual. Better to have rituals that you know are just rituals, & that you also personally enjoy (detached from dogma), than to substitute that need w/a different (& perceived as nonreligious by society) ritual/ritualistic/restrictive/"special making" group, this just as illogically impervious to ideas or FACTS that create doubts or question that new belief....Sorry but SOOOO many, religious/cult-like, sub-cultures filling this void today but all the same....& sadly logic also doe not apply. I was you, I get it, so KEEP trying, keep questioning, but also DON'T waste your time when you could be of actual benefit elsewhere. The zealots & newly "converted" of any close minded group WON'T follow logic of ANY kind. But also remember that even YOU crave ritual, so find something or you to will be lost....until we one day advance enough in neurology \/evolutionary biology to figure out exactly why that is know that it just is...morning marital arts, tea ceremony, positive self affirmations, gardening, SOMETHING. Seriously, you obviously don't want to be them, but your ritual can't be trying to fight them w/logic either, you will become disillusioned. Sorry for "parental"('motherly") rant...can't help myself, be better than I was.
@Jesus Saves! Guy, enough with the outdated feelgood brainwashing rhetoric. Maybe if you lot actually had proof of God's existence instead of some cryptic bullshit like "You should know of him by the wind in your hair and the sun in your eyes" or saying "Only the faithful truly know", you won't convince anyone of this scam. Show some actual, solid evidence instead of "Trust me bro!". And no, the Bible is not proof since it was written by man. The Ten Commandments aren't either since they were written by only a few people, on top of a mountain, where no one saw them. Also, Jesus was Jewish.
@Tomy Dayos You know, something I've noticed is that people always attribute good things to God and Jesus, but anytime something bad happens? Silence. You never hear a quarterback say "Jesus made me drop the ball!". And with God giving man free will, why would he punish them for using it? And if God was truly all knowing, wouldn't he know that Eve was tricked into eating the apple? That makes the aforementioned question even worse. If that is the case, God is a sadist and I would never willingly worship him.
@Jesus Saves! Does God punish those who do not know about him? Will a tribe on a remote island with no contact with the outside world be sent to hell, just because they arent Christian?
@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary God gave humans free will. Including the free will to disobey him and to go against his wishes. This is like a wheat plantation, where just those who are the best of the best are going to be collected, and the rest who are selfish, will disapear.
And bad and selfish people blame God for everything, even for their team losing a game. These people do not undestand that a miracle are not meant to happen all the time, they must always have a reason to happen, also humans have their own responsabilities, the duty to better the world, and to have a positive impact, belong to humans.
If there is famine humans are to blame, because its humanity duty to help those in need.
Jesus gave pne example of this is his praying, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”. Basically he was saying that if it was his time to die, that he would accept it. How many people does pray like that? That IS the way that people are meant to pray.
The thing is that those who are good will be collected, and those who aren't will still have a second chance, in the form of a final judgement. If they choose to stay against God, then they will disapear, become ashes, and their ashes will be spread among the world. (The bible never mentioned demons with pitchforks and people burning in oil)
But beware, the bible say that people who are evil and selfish their entire lives with the idea of repenting at the last minute, will find thenselves unable to truly repent from their actions, as years of evil will have hardened their hearts.
@louis ryan It's not just because bad things happen. It's that they describe their god as good and just and loving but let humans get tortured and condemn non-believers to eternal torture.
@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary It is impossible to not know who God is when you truly seek him. God will lead them straight to him no matter where they are on the earth, God will make himself known to them.
As God has made everything that you are living on, see, and breathe. These are just one example of the invisible things Paul talks about. An invisible thing for instance, is knowing you should not kill someone. No one has to tell you to not kill someone, you know that in your heart, it is wrong and should not be done.
Another invisible thing in our hearts, worshipping. People naturally worship something (God created us to worship). Many pray to dumb gods, to fake things; put their faith in tarot readings, horoscopes, and ouija boards.
People who are lost and know not God worship these things stated above and many other things. But we are to worship God, love him, choose him, and his ways which are righteous and holy (he does what's best for us, he is extremely loving and caring).
Now that we have named a few invisible things... Invisible things make it apparent that God exists. Ignoring these invisible things like who created the earth, why the clouds are white, and who made the clouds. Taking them for granted (thinking nothing of them), that they are just there because of the false gods and deities who were made up from one's understanding who sought not God... That will lead them to hell. Not seeking the way, the truth, and the life, which is Jesus Christ.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
John 14:6 KJV
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
@Iknowtoomuchable Jesus sent several brave men who tried to save him, after he'd already gotten himself into this exact same position repeatedly. Those people failed him, they destabilized the cave, failed to properly support it, and refused to listen to the rescue effort who told them to leave the cave alone while he was gone, causing it to collapse. It isn't Christ's fault this guy kept crawling around in dangerous places he shouldn't be in, repeatedly.
The video said that it was not the first time that the man in the video was stuck in a cave, the video said that his childhood friend saved him last time that he got stuck.
@EnthuZ You seem to be one of the very few I see who gets it. I don't know all the answers, and anyone who says that they have all of them are almost certainly lying or misinformed. I have been really self reflecting a lot in life and have learned and come to this same conclusion.
After all, we are given free will it says, and that would mean that anything pushing, pulling, or effecting that free will wouldn't make any sense to me. In truth, I believe we are all something so much bigger then what we have been lead to believe. Free will means that we are responsible for our decisions, and that means we are responsible for owning up to and fixing our own mistakes.
All I can say, is that I have come to realize that faith is the wrong path. An all knowing all powerful god does not require or want you to blindly follow anything, look to truth, facts and use logic. I believe those are the keys to understanding things and building an actual relationship with god, or whatever you want to call it, the name doesn't matter. I think we are here to grow and become what we were meant to be.
Focus on ones self and your own growth is what I would say, look at reality, use truth logic and facts, and follow your "Gut" as we have come to call it. Forget what you have been told or what book you think is telling you the truth, there is no guide other then you, and I think we all already know what to do, we just overthink and let things cloud our vision. It does say the path is straight and narrow after all.
@Jesus Saves! "The Holy Bible was written by men directed (led) by the Holy Spirit (God). It is the infallible word of God and not mistranslated. It's the love of wickedness and hate for righteous reproval that the ye do not believe in God. Having no faith because ye love evil more. " Oh? Why is Jesus depicted as White, a Caucasian man when he ABSOLUTELY was not. Jesus wasnt even his real name, it's anglicized, his ORIGINAL name was "Yeshua", which would be closer to Joshua or Josh.
He forgave the Jews, NOT the Romans taking pleasure in tormenting him. How would they not know what they're doing, while the local leaders, hearing of a massive mob, and knowing the history those mobs have (of brutally dragging out and mudering said local leaders), panic and arrest the man gathering the mob.
At least until the Romans got their hands on it when they adopted it. You cant have your religion show you doing bad... Rome HAS to be God's favorite empire.
Saints were created as a method to bring Heathens into the fold, in the manner of "Look, your gods exist in our religion too, they simply serve ours as a "saint" figure!" to make it more palatable.
And frankly, the "magic powers" part doesnt fit with the story either. What the fuck is the point of having him live among men, and try to be a role model, if he's by DEFAULT got an unfair edge over literally every man woman and child on Earth. Can YOU heal a man's blindness with the wave of your hands? No.
There's also the fact the Garden of Eden story is already known to be ENTIRELY fabricated, and i'm not so sure God and Satan are different figures... Frankly, they may be the SAME figure, though i cant be 100% certain on that. The older versions of God depict a much harsher god willing to do "trust exorcises" such as "lmao sacrifice your firstborn to me, go on do it", which hilariously in the story, has a DEMON tell the man that "hey hold the fuck up, God doesnt actually WANT you to murder a kid, he just made a bet with Satan to see if you'd go through with it", not an Angel or anyone else.
What i do know is Jesus in the currently-locked-away chunk of the bible, depicting his younger years, was a mean fucker. He killled in cold blood, that i know for certain, and that's only a fraction of what he'd done as a child...
What makes more sense? A man who was about as deep in sin as you could get as a child, who had a revelation and sought to right his MANY wrongs in life, becoming a carpenter, possibly using an unusually sharp mind to help people, and preach a way of life that could be summed up as "help others, dont be a dick, it's fine to fuck up but you HAVE to mean it when you try to fix it".
Or a god-empowered special child who's infallible to a T, with no missteps, who "dies for our sins"?
Frankly, i'd go with the view of "this man did nasty shit when he was younger, realized the errors of his ways, and spent his life righting those wrongs, showing that no matter HOW fucked you get, there's always redemption if you simply try."
Oh yeah, also i'd like to point out. The Bible itself warns of False Prophets, and that you should NOT believe everything on Faith Alone. It DIRECTLY states you should still question what you believe.
Like the fact the Bible, despite your blind ignorant faith, has ABSOLUTELY been changed to fit narratives.
Take this infamous quote that's caused UNTOLD suffering: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." The Bible shows time and time again cases of grown men sleeping with other men, and it doesnt raise any eyebrows, it's simply mentioned, as if you would mention a man sleeping with his wife. HOWEVER, the real translation of that line has several instances proving it's a sin, and will be punished.
Reread it as: "You shall not lie with a boy as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Or "dont have sex with children, you fucking creep". Pedophilia is shown time and time again to be a BLATANT sin, and an affront to God. Homosexuality is not.
These are only a few holes in the book you blindly believe, and refuse to question because you were taught "Faith is the only way, ignore anyone who says otherwise" by your religion, probably your family, DEFINITELY your community, if they're all going to church and getting the same spiel as you did.
Beating people over the head with the Bible, telling them to STOP ASKING QUESTIONS, and to simply "Believe" is, obviously, the exact same strategy a cult uses to indoctrinate new members. Cut off their contacts that arent "their new family", keep them saturated in the rhetoric of the cult, and ensure you grind them down til they simply accept it, any potential cases that would "take them from the path"? Try to radicalize them to such an extreme degree that they simply cant process anything logical in that instance. If you point out the Earth is round, and prove without a doubt it's true, and the person being proven to STILL proclaims the Earth is Flat, even if you ask why they believe so, and poke holes in every single excuse they give, then you've succeeded in your indoctrination. That man will be a Zealot for the rest of his life (unless something DRASTIC happens to undermine that twisted foundation)
God doesnt want you, as stated in your book, to brute force the Bible down people's throats. There's Preaching, then there's Bible Thumping.
The former is presented as an option.
The latter is presented as the only option (and frequently presented over and over), that you must make NOW or something extra really really awful bad will happen to you FOREVER.
I suggest you take a look at the Bible with a Critical Eye, and reexamine your faith. Intentionally poke holes and ask questions, keep in mind the beliefs and customs of the civilizations during those times.
Homosexuality was free, Pedophilia was something the nobles indulged in often, Technology, WHILE CRUDE, could be used to do "miracles", such as returning a man's sight to him. (done via poking a needle into his eye, and sucking out the cataract)
I suspect, if ANY part of Jesus was modified by God, to set him above the rest, it would be his mind. Not beyond what Men could achieve, but being an example of being "superhuman" to the average man, especially in his time, in a sense like Thomas Edison or Einstein was in HIS time.
@Jesus Saves! "Trust in his view and not yours, which is limited." Again. This is BAD. This WILL be used by humans to exploit people, it has in the past, and it continues to be abused. I will admit, a religion DOES require Faith in some degree, even Science does. There are some things we can only guess at or theorize on until we can test further (if we can).
The problem is when Faith overtakes reality utterly.
A good chunk of your quotes read as the newer Bible, the "you have inherent sin" is one of them. You DO NOT have Inherent sin, children who die at birth are not doomed to hell for existing, if they were, then clearly that violates the image that your God is kind and benevolent, considering he'd damn children with NO chance in the world to eternal torment forever. For the lulz.
If Eden never happened, the "original sin" never happened.
And it continues to emphasize "Your sin is not something you can fix, you MUST turn to God to fix it for you"
I've seen this manifest as: Sin Ask forgiveness from God Sin again (same sin) Ask forgiveness again Sin again Ask again Sin again Ask again.
Does this man deserve to enter heaven because he said the magic Win words?
If a vicious monster who slaughtered hundreds, enjoyed causing torment, and committing every sin in the book except the ONE irreversible sin, were to say "sorry for doing that God i'm a good boy" moments before being shot dead, does he deserve to go to Heaven if he didnt mean a word of it, because he said the Magic Words?
If a heathen man WERE to atone for any wrong, no matter how small, and truly ask forgiveness and try to change himself every time, and die during one of those deeds? Would he DESERVE to go to hell because he didnt believe in a God?
Your religion either becomes a cult of a malicious god, or a vast chunk falls away as the lies and twisting it is, leaving the True Core (if semi-nebulous now due to Time, alas) of it behind.
@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary Exactly. As i'd mentioned in the Rant Wall to the drone, the whole Garden of Eden thing IS actually total bullshit. As with many other aspects.
Now i believe there could be SOME kind of God. And i know for a fact "guardian angels" and demons exist, i know i believe i've seen them. And of course there's physical proof that both The Flood and Jesus existed in reality.
The Former likely being a fucking NASTY but still, not as the book portrays it.
The Ark likely being a ship hauling livestock, swept up by a wave, possibly a Tsunami, and deposited on a mountain's side.
The "World" flooding for "40 days and nights" likely meaning "our immediate area" and "what felt like a long time of whatever length".
Keep in mind villagers in this time period rarely extended a good ways past their immediate neighbors, let alone much past their country's borders.
@Jesus Saves! "Now that we have named a few invisible things... Invisible things make it apparent that God exists. Ignoring these invisible things like who created the earth, why the clouds are white, and who made the clouds. Taking them for granted (thinking nothing of them), that they are just there because of the false gods and deities who were made up from one's understanding who sought not God... That will lead them to hell. Not seeking the way, the truth, and the life, which is Jesus Christ." You're just spewing nonsensical bullshit at this point...
"why are the clouds white" because of the composition of the atmosphere, pressure, and general climate. It's effectively a giant cloud of evaporated water, which light reflects off to say to the messy ball of sensors in our eyes "yea that's white"
Evolution and the simple rules of the universe dictated our planet would be round, our lack of knowledge tells us "we're special because we're the only life in the universe" but frankly, that's practically impossible.
Instinct (when it properly functions) tells us not to kill humans, because of several reasons, one of which is our primitive brain wired for survival, and socialization, and a more primitive "if you do that you're fucking ruined". Alongside Empathy of course.
This IS NOT Human-exclusive, but again we're the only ones who understand what we say/can broadcast we have it. With other species we have to simply guess what they're thinking or saying.
Crows have funerals, are smart enough to build and even design things, and solve some pretty god damn complex problems.
They might even have a god of their own? Who knows.
You keep saying "those who seek god will find him", but HOW does god ensure people "find him", and if he's available enough to guide new people, but not to aid the older followers, or those in a crisis, what does that say? Is it a revolving door relationship?
How do you know their god isnt YOUR god, but with a different name?
Islam has different rules, and a different prophet, but has the same God, called "Allah" (which translates to God), is Allah a "false god" because he's your god but with a different label?
And, again, how WOULD they know to "seek him" to begin with, if they dont know he's there?
Do you know if there's a giant sinkhole under your home, with no evidence to point towards it? No. If you found out, you're either told or find signs of it yourself that say "SINKHOLE HERE".
Again more holes, again more mindless belief without question.
I'd like to point out saying "Faith is the Wrong Path" does give the idea of "Dont have faith", rather than "Have Faith, IN MODERATION.", but the rest does sum up a bunch of things.
@Alex "Why did r/atheism leak into this comment chain" Did you even read the chain? It started with evangelists who saw a way to abuse this tragedy like the many people who contributed to it. @Duck Meat "Why are atheist get a hard on to say he didn't go to heaven?" You're no better than the people who lied to end the commotion over this story, caring more about owning the atheists (who never said what you claim) than about the issue at hand.
Just let the words of the believers in this thread show you the quality of their stock.
@Tomy Dayos "God gave humans free will." I stopped reading there because that act, if it did happen, was necessarily evil. I'll even call it the most evil act that is possible. Think about it, there were only two options here: 1. Give humans free will. 2. Don't give humans free will.
Option 1 means that it is possible for people to experience the worst possible fate. Option 2 means that it is not possible for people to experience the worst possible fate.
If Satan is evil for trying to get people sent to Hell (figuratively or literally), then surely it must be true that making it possible to be sent to Hell in the first place is a greater evil still.
It is taken for granted that free will is a good thing, but I doubt anyone can give me a single reason to justify it. Can you tell me ANYTHING that is worth option 1 which cannot be achieved by option 2? The only response you could make is something equivalent - that the best possible fate is only possible by having free will... but we already know that isn't the case in Christianity.
Even the Bible itself says that it would be better to not be born at all than to spend eternity in Hell. If my words can't convince you that this is evil, surely the very word of God should (which should then convince you that either you worship an evil God who at best tells you so and at worst deceives you into thinking he is good, or a fable made up by men who failed to see how evil of a God they created if they didn't just intend it to be so).
@Fiddle Sticks "I love how easy it is to shut heathens up by telling them to do anything other than run their mouths online and smell bad." Should you really be celebrating an ad-hom as if it were a knockout argument? Seems juvenile.
"It isn't Christ's fault this guy kept crawling around in dangerous places he shouldn't be in, repeatedly." Sure, but it is his fault if he in fact attempted to save the guy but failed (you did make the claim that he send the help). I mean, humans have an excuse for failure - we're fallible. So if God wanted something done, but chose to have fallible people do it rather than do it perfectly himself, doesn't that seem strange? It's almost as if God can't do anything humans can do, or he didn't actually want that action done, or maybe he just doesn't exist.
@John Everett I agree with and respect most of what you said, but because I respect your position, I will throw in my two cents where I disagree.
"After all, we are given free will it says" Does it say that? Like explicitly? Or is that an interpretation? I'd be interested in seeing the passage.
"follow your "Gut"" This is essentially "having faith" though. It's quite the opposite of using facts and logic, so I'm confused why you would include it here. I think we should be eliminating our gut from our decisions as much as possible. Can it be correct? Yes, on accident, but why rely on accidents?
"there is no guide other then you" We should use the findings of others to guide us - we would not have made it this far otherwise - but with a healthy dose of skepticism in everything. And I mean everything. Others should only guide, not define.
None of this really requires a God to do, so I would suggest using these pathways to investigate his existence as well, if you do not already. What could it hurt if it's in service of following the correct path? Either it will lead you to God in a more assured way, or it will lead you to what is actually true.
@Krikenemp God gave him more chances than he deserved, and in the end it was man who failed him and God who took him away to somewhere better, where there's no caves for him to get stuck in all the damn time. God literally wove self preservation and higher thinking into our very fiber, yet everyone in this story neglected those gifts. How are we meant to truly live without the threat of our actions having consequences? I know you live an inconsequential life and nothing you personally do matters because you refuse to live a worthy life, but that doesn't mean the rest of us want to live in the dull, grey, empty existence you prefer. I want a life where I can die painfully, where I have to be on my toes. You spit in God's face despite the gifts we all have been given.
Maybe after going for the notoriety he felt guilty for exploiting this dying man and couldn't live with accepting any serious compensation/profit for it. Maybe he went in the exploitative douche and emerged a real man.
@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary God got all horny and knocked up Eve. She gave birth to Caine and Abel. Later Adam got all horny and knocked up Eve. She gave birth to... uh... Seth? I'm pretty sure the 3rd son was Seth. Jesus came waaaaay later and then the Roman's got mad at him so they 86'd him. I miss Jesus. He was the best wingman I've ever had.
@Jesus Saves! "It is impossible to not know who God is when you truly seek him." We all know who the god in the bible is. His name is Yaweh. Moses made a bloodpact with him. Hilarity ensued. I prefer Buddah over Yaweh. Buddah seems like a much more chill god than Yaweh. And of course the TRUE god... THE REAL god and not some deity whipping humans around... the ACTUAL god is YOU. THE TRUE GOD IS WITHIN AND WITHOUT. GOD IS THE WHOLE OF THE UNIVERSE, AND YOU ARE A PART OF THE WHOLE.
@Krikenemp lol you don't like free will? If you didn't have free will then you'd be a perma-slave. That's why Enki (the serpent) the chief geneticist of the Elohim (Annunaki, the Sumerian/Mesopotamian/Babylonian gods that genetically engineered us) tempted Adam and Eve to eat the apple, which is a metaphor for Enki upgrading our DNA so we have free will. Original we were born and bred as slave labor. So... nah, I prefer having free will. Makes things more exciting, albeit bloody, like with Cain and Abel. Daaaaamn Cain be so jealous loololololol.
@Krikenemp lulwut? You thinking upgrading a race (the humans) created as slaves in the first place getting their DNA upgraded to have free will is evil? Naw yo, Enki gave us free will because he felt sorry for us. Then Enki and his fellow Elohim started banging human woman and that's when things got weird. But anyways if we didn't have free will then we'd be total slaves, instead of partial slaves like we are now. I prefer being a partial slave.
@Lex Bright Raven Evidently they don't read God's word and stick close to him, what does that say about them being Christians? When one casts all their cares upon God, he will take them!
God being our heavenly father who protects his from so much already, will certainly take away any mental burden one of his children are carrying! How could one do the will of the Father if they're walking around depressed or anxious all the time? He doesn't want them to be depressed, anxious, etc. They would have to give it to him, trust in him, and lean on him on the matter! ❤️
1 Peter 5:7 KJV
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
John 14:27 KJV
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Were 🌎 made 🤔 in 🌍 HIS 🌎 image 🤔. HE 🌍 made 🌎 us 🤔 with 🌍 the 🌎 p 🤔ower of free choice A good prayer: I'm a sinner JESUS please forgive me for all my sins I know you shed your Blood for me on the cross at Calvary. Thank you JESUS for my salvation and for shedding they Blood for me. I love you JESUS. Romans 10:5/10 ct...❤️k JESUSisLord!Amen... Amen.. If you'd like to call someone who cares 83 For Truth. bc you don't know when you'll die? .y r u hesitant. . 💕
@Jesus Saves! You're clearly lost. Here's some relevant verses; Matthew 6:5-8
"5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
Guess what? Not only are you not saving souls, you've condemned yourself to hellfire by believing that his word is not powerful enough to draw his children on its own (which is blasphemy). He doesn't need you to proceletyze, if anything you're pushing people away with your conceited self-righteous arrogance.
For effect: Matthew 7:5-8 "5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
YOU'RE NO DOORMAN TO HEAVEN, YOU ARE NOT ST. PETER. REPENT BY DELETING YOUR ACCOUNT OR BE CONDEMNED TO ETERNAL HELLFIRE
@MK Ultra I find it funny that they'd rather pray to a book than take a tab and see for themselves. We are insignificant flesh suits, soon to be dead. Imagine restricting your fleeting time alive because a thousand year old book said so.
@ordinary name Humans have been religiously conditioned since inception, it's by design. To worship means to work for. The earliest recorded civilizations (like Sumeria, 6000 years ago) had humans worshiping different gods, hence all the religious conflicts. Enki versus Enlil, Zeus versus Odin, Quetzalcoatl versus so-and-so, Yaweh versus everyone who wasn't Yaweh, yadda yadda. Then, after Jesus got [CENSORED] by the Roman Empire because they didn't like him [CENSORED] them in their [CENSORED] and their [CENSORED] the Romans held multiple councils in Nycea and created the Roman Catholic Church, which worships Yaweh, and pays tribute to Jesus, often getting the two confused with each other. One of them was/is still a bloodthristy vengeful god who demands worship, the other one was one of the most friendly, coolest wingman you cold ever have who could turn water into wine and who abhorred idolatry. The word catholic means universal. Nowadays there are still other gods kicking around but Yaweh is the one that won the big wars back in the day.
more like Pulitzer needs to raise it's standards. Inventing new awards to offset the degradation of old ones is detrimental even when you use that as a metaphor. I agree; he acted honorably in that. It's disappointing that his actions are worthy of surprise, though.
What a story,, damn was hoping he would be saved. That's really sad. I'm from KY and this is the first time I've heard of this story. Thank you from making this video on it.
@Etwibior Agreed. Those two (and the brothers' childhood friend) really gave the rest a run for their money. Despite all the adversity, those two were heroes in every respect.
@Art Burnell This just proves humanity has always been the same, don't believe people who say the world is getting worse, the only difference between then and now is that now we can see and hear things happening around the world in a easier fashion.
@Anaya Grey Hard to say, in some circumstances that fact that he did everything he could might assuage the guilt some, whereas not having done everything he could would have definitely wrecked him forever.
@Art Burnell given that he spent a fair amount of time exhausted and sick, which all feel way less bad when you remember them, i bet he felt like he couldve done a lot more. very heart wrenching tale all around
@Pax Just 1 or 2 thin people, mind you. There is a good chance they were more, but could not fit that small hole. And hey, lot of people actually helped the way they could.
I watch true crime and horror movies almost everyday, and this is one of the few times I don’t think I can finish something. That cave zoom out made me nauseous
The only thing that made me realize its going to have a happy ending is the fact that we know so many details so the guy must survive to tell the story right?
I just got in from a long day and intended to take a nap and fall asleep on a video but nooooo this kept me glued and wide awake the whole time. Was so sad when found out he had died. Hope he did indeed go to heaven
Oh boy, just DO NOT bring yourself in situations where it is VERY likely that you will suffer a very unpleasant death.
I was almost not able to watch through this. What a freaking NIGHTMARE.
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Turn to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God who died for our sins and God raised Him from the dead on the 3rd day. He loves us more than anyone. He created us and loves us. Call upon His name! Heaven and Hell are real places. We need to repent and turn to Him. We have all sinned against God. Pray and seek Him. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Acts 2:38-39 KJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6 KJV
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 KJV
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
“And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:9-13 KJV
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Hebrew 9:27-28 KJV
“And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:35-40 KJV
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.” Matthew 10:28-31 KJV
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 10:32-33 KJV
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13 KJV
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:5-6 KJV
“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” Colossians 1:13-20 KJV
“Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” 2 Philippians 2:4-11 KJV
“Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:1-21 KJV
“But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” John 20:24-31 KJV
So sad that wendigoon buried himself alive with both hands jammed at his sides and one leg crushed then crushed his own torso with the force of 6 men against the top of the cave and blew up his own internal organs by stretching himself out via rope pull. He will be dearly missed.
Hearing that even after his death, Floyd was trapped once more in the cave, not by the force of the cave itself, but by a person whose prerogative was to profit off of this tragedy, makes me feel a kind of queasiness unlike anything else. So relieved that at long last he was given a proper burial. May he rest in peace.
The reason he was even trapped there in the first place was in an effort to turn the cave into a tourist attraction and bring people in. In an ironic twist of fate, he himself ended up becoming the spectacle. Still a bit of a mindfck to me.
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Andrew Simmer2022-10-01 06:16:37 (edited 2022-10-01 06:41:38 )
@Pop P To me though, the difference is in the fact that that was his family's land, and in that time, the best opportunity you had was to profit off your land; it was the basis of capitalism. Whereas, everything that happened afterwards was the worst kind of perversion of society, imo
@Andrew Simmer what happened afterwards represents the darkest sides of capitalism... but don't get me wrong , i would still choose capitalism over comunism every day
He was reburried in Crystal Cave, a cave that he discovered and is the whole reason he's at Sand to begin with. But IH clearly couldn't be bothered to tell the story truthfully and had to make up shit the whole way through.
@Amelia Bee Yeah if there were less people they might actually did it, though granted the man might need to be amputated or lose his legs but still at least more chances and the cave wouldn't crumble that fast.
I once got a blank check when I was 16. It was my first job and I was an employee at a small thrift store, so the boss gave everyone checks directly. Unfortunately, my boss was an old guy who had been trying to sell the store and retire for years and an all around awesome person, so it was practically impossible for anyone who wasn't either a sociopath or being held at gunpoint to take advantage of it without saying anything.
In some kind of ironic twist, it was Miller's fault that thousands of tourists camped outside the cave which caused the cave to lose its integrity, which inevitably caused the cave-in. Homer almost singlehandedly saved Floyd on his own. Yeah actually I'm doubling down on this opinion: the government did too little too late. Did they really have no way to redirect the engine's fumes out of the cave? It's not rocket science, literally just a tupe going from the exhaust all the way out of the cave would be sufficient. So even though Miller personally was a great help, what he did with spreading the story is eventually what caused their downfall.
So I understand that they eventually got Crystal Cave open to get guys down to the crystals Floyd found. But this was due to much more equipment digging down to it. My question was if Floyd has cleared out that hole and made it through. I must say he truly must’ve been crazy to think people would go through all that to see a crystal cave.
I also thought about that but I suppose he wanted to make sure the cave could be reached so someone could access it before widening the whole entrance so it would be more accessible
@char confusing part that messes with me is all the records say Floyd found Crystal cave before going into sand cave for the first time. I kinda want to visit the park and ask a park ranger the details.
@Alexander Forrest I think you might be getting confused because of the names? The cave wasn't known as "Sand Cave" until media started calling it that. He called it Great Crystal Cave because while exploring it, he found that grotto.
But yeah, it would be really cool to visit the park. I would like to actually get a feel for the proper size of it all, looking at pictures even the cave entrance looks to small for me to ever think about going into it myself!
I really enjoyed this video and there's clearly been a lot of work put into the editing, but the script is almost word-for-word plagiarized from a 2018 Mental Floss article written by Lucas Reilly titled "The 1925 Cave Rescue That Captivated the Nation". It's fine to dramaticize someone else's writing, but you have to credit the orginal author for their work.
The reason Floyd was even trapped there in the first place was in an effort to turn the cave into a spectacle and a tourist attraction and bring people in. In an ironic twist of fate, although it became an attraction, he himself ended up becoming the spectacle.
And the reason the cave collapsed was because the tourists outside with the fires. If his entrapment had not been a tourist attraction then maybe they would have been able to save him.
He also massively overestimated the caving prowess of everyone else, since he had been doing it his whole life. Nothing he could have done would have ever made that crystal room viable for tourism.
The Internet Historian is a god amongst mere mortals when it comes to the quality of his videos. One of my all time favorite things that came out of the invention of the internet.
Knowing that he passed soon after the light bulb went out, I hope he wasn’t conscious to see it go out. I hope he wasn’t aware when he was plunged back into darkness, and that he fell asleep one last time to that small, minuscule comfort of light and heat, at the very least.
For real, man could've just gone back after being turned down, after getting enough material to write his article or even after it gained national attention, but he stayed and he actually helped instead of gawking and asking pointless questions. All for the sake of some stranger that wasn't even important.
Forget about being a great journalist. Miller was a great guy, period.
Apparently many tried at least. Having crawled under a house in a really tight space once I can say it really takes a lot to convince yourself to squeeze into a narrow passage. Add to that the cuts, scrapes, lack of vision and breathing difficulty and you might understand that all the desire to do good in the world might not be enough to get you in such a hole. Also bet a lot of people simply wouldn't fit either.
@samtheweebo I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't even try to pretend I would. That shit is terrifying. Props to anyone brave enough to do so, and I really mean that
@Claud I think that's just human behavior though. Criticizing or giving advice to others might've been their way to try and "help", since they couldn't directly help by going through the gap.
People often overestimate their knowledge of fields they know nothing about. Inversely, experts often underestimate their knowledge and experience in their field. Only consult with experts, never with mere bystanders. Even now I'm just paraphrasing Vsauce, I'm no expert lol
@this is a social experiment its like that bell curve of knowledge-confidence. people with surface level knowledge are much more confident than someone with a little more experience, and that curve only goes back up when someone becomes an expert
It is f*ing brutal. Every time it sounds like they are about to succeed I realize how much more video there is to go and sure enough the line of “but nooooo” immediately follows.
The sad, lonely death of Floyd Collins is one of my favorite storys ever, but it has kept me up at night. I just wanted to let you all know that All That's Interesting did an excellent article about Floyd Collins.
I think the tragic irony of the whole thing is that he originally went down there knowing he could make it into a tourist attraction, and ultimately it did become an attraction because of him.
Also it seems like he had no plans to stabilize or reinforce the cave. So even if he had not been stuck down there, surely a tourist would have been trapped at some point
@Groovy Gunslinger yeah that's what confused me, it sounded like it took an extremely fit person with a specific build/bone structure to even get to where he was stuck, yet collins was making a hole beyond that point to the crystal cavern? why didn't he widen the area closer to the entrance first then work his way towards the cavern after his initial discovery of it?
@Calamity Sangfroid Collin's cave likely would not have gotten many visitors because he underestimated just how good of a caver he was. The fact he didn't try widening the squeeze first, and instead just went through to try to make an entrance to the other side shows he didn't understand most tourists would not have his level of experience. He probably understood that when he was trapped there, as only 4 people managed to get to him to help him.
It's sad, but it gets even sadder knowing that if he was successful completing that entrance, he likely would not have made the income he had hoped. So at the end of the day, it was all futile.
The bigger irony here is that he wanted the cave system to be a tourist attraction, but when a bunch of people started showing up the cave collapsed in on itself. His goal was doomed from the start.
Continuing here, part of the downfall also came from paranoia. Had he trusted his friend and brother to help or at leasr get more involved in the excavation, the perhaps the cave could be cleared out earlier and safer too.
There are so many things that were raising red flags from the start. The best we could do is learn from them and never give up the tenacity when it comes to savung people.
@TheNapster153 sorry but your comment makes no sense to me. Like floyd had already showed trust and confidence that most likely 99% of humans stuck in that position could never. But the nail in the coffin was probably when the whole cave just collapsed. Had it not collapsed he would have made it out alive. Again, What Paranoia? He already had no food for months and when the cave collapsed his hope died. I don't blame Floyd.
In my lore he was a warrior until the end and prolly died because of lack of food. At least he died doing what he loved.
@Just A Man of Culture First off, he was trapped for days, not months. Second, paranoia as in the caving business, not the part where hr got trapped. The cave tourism was his city's source of income, and there were already people straight up attacking him to get the rights to the cave.
There's also the fact that the proper equipment needed for the work he was doing would've brought a lot of unwanted attention on hi. So yeah, he easily could've been paranoid of people WANTING HIS CAVE. Enough to warrant him doing work solo.
@Ad Boi Production Why does everyone keep calling it "the cave punishing him for his greed"? He was not greedy, the dude wanted to fucking provide for his family.
I love how the entire story is in black and white except for the yellow light of the bulbs. It makes it feel so much more hopeful when Floyd finally isn’t in complete darkness all the time
A mere physics or earth science student in their final year today could have given a thorough opinion on the rope pull idea even without internet access on their phone. They'd have calculated everything with remarkable accuracy - factoring in the angle of the force on Floyd using trigonometry, and also how much the opposing force of the gravel that initially acts downward on Floyd is, and finally whether or not a successful rope pull would destroy Floyd's body or not.
The way it was publicly talked about in the paper and over the radio kind of resembles how the internet treats huge stories today. The way some people were lying for fun, others believing those lies, and many people trying to profit off of the story. It’s like a pre-internet internet.
@Joel Friberg No, I'm just pointing out the lack of humor in this video compared to his others. Compare this video to almost any other video on his channel and you can see the difference very clearly. I'm not complaining about it though, it was a good choice for this story.
@Cool Guy 77 I mean, considering this is a 1 hour true story about a brutally painful and drawn out death; I’d say he made it fucking hilarious and thrilling at the same time.
@FilthyCasual His content was typically shit that went viral on the internet, hence why I guessed THAT was the reason for his channel name. Until recently.
Watching this while being claustrophobic, is like being scared of spiders and sticking your hand in a tarantula cage.
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Samuel Haggren2022-11-01 11:53:47 (edited 2022-11-01 11:56:56 )
I've watched this video so man times now that I hear how Internet Historian in my head narrates my life, and everything got way more dramatic now. From boiling egg, go out for a jog to just take a dump.
Floyd wanted the cave to becoem a tourist attraction for it's natural beauty, instead, the cave made HIM a morbid curiosity for the general public. The few people that spent everything they had, even themselves to try and save him, they were heroes fighting an uphill battle.
As much as the cave is characterized in this story as a malevolent but also alluring force, the public themselves were both an aid and a hinderance to the rescue. at first, it was genuine, in getting the word out to his family, people who could help, and eventually organized government forces. however, that same spectacle little by little caused the cave to collapse with the weight of all the activity, the melting of soil from campfires, the sheer amount of cars on hollow land -little by little, each footfall buried him deeper, butonly a few set of hands dug him out. After all of the that coverage, the public and the news dropped him and his suffering, after it could no longer be drained for all of it's sensationalism, was left alone, the support ended once the public couldn't shove their noses into the situation and worsen the rescue, in almost a parasocial connection, feeling personally owed entry or feeling personally betrayed by the 'conning of the family'.
as alluring and crushing the cave was, it would not have been so damning had it not been aided by the dark tourists and everything they brought.
Not gonna lie, Miller is a legend. For a journalist to go through that much effort and danger to save a man, he definitely deserved credit for his actions. Even though it’s through different circumstances, this reminds me of that new documentary about the boys who got trapped in that cave a few years ago. That documentary really sheds light on how dangerous caving is
You didn't explain one thing: How was Floyd intending to get tourists into that cave? Nobody would even think about going in there. He should have first widened the entrance, which would have made the rest of the work much easier and safer.
There were like 3 people going through that cave, something so scary I can’t imagine doing it. Then there’s mfers ruining the structure of the cave so they can camp outside is basic graveyard
What really gets to me was Lee taking "donations" at the fair grounds. No doubt in my mind he swindled people by saying the money went to helping Floyd, then he kept it all to himself. Sickening.
I have seen others cover this story, but with the simple addition of reenactment cutouts brings it to a whole other level... man... just watching makes me feel like I'm having trouble breathing...
What a crazy story, I had a hard time getting through it all.. BUT.. Knowing IH as I do, I KNEW it would be worth the wait. Thanks for the great video.,
@senadawr ah yes because no other country has cruel people or events in its past or present (just ignore cartel members in Latin America, the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rwandan genocide, the Sino-Japanese war, the history of Australia, Russia's current invasion plus the shit with the Chechens, the femicide in El Salvador, the--ok i think we all get the point)
as tragic as this was, i couldn't help but burst out laughing when they threw his body out of the cave and supposedly into the lake, only for it to be caught in a tree.
So, wait wait wait... That man got trapped underground, got burried by gravel and died there. His corpse then gets removed from his grave, only to be placed a few stories higher than were he died, so he essentially was still trapped in his original grave. He then enjoys freedom from being buried underground for a few moments, albeit having been dead for a while already, only to get burried in his previous grave yet again. There he lies for a couple of decades, only to get freed from his dark and damp grave, only to yet again get burried underground, except in a dark and damp place next to a church. This guy isn't allowed to catch a break. What did he do, that the universe hates him so much?
Everything about this story from Floyds absolutely horrific fate, to how people reacted to it is so unbelievably fucking gut wrenching to me. I never heard of this story but it really showed how people ALWAYS were fucked up and cruel. Jesus fucking christ man.
@Meowmeow yeah the righteous mob that not only didn't do anything but actively made things worse for the rescue and ruined the farmers land? You are saying the people criticizing those pieces of absolute filth are the same as them?
@Sy IN Ta X I don't think it was cruel. Even if the advice was dumb, everyone was horrifyingly intrigued at worst, but I feel like they were rooting for him every second of the way and trying their best to help.
@Lucas I mean there was obviously some really cruel shit here. Like sending out that fake telegraph. That whole fake news campagne. The was his body was handled afterwards just tops the fucking list.
Obviously there are classical heroes and villains to this story but well. I guess the nice thing out of this is how am entire country prayed and rooted for a mans life.
@Banana Something's telling me that in the foreseeable future we will all not only witness but be subjected to cruelty not yet seen before. It doesn't seem like you can run or hide.
@Banana I really doubt that, given that social media exists now, there is even greater incentive for self absorbed twats to do extreme and dangerous activities towards others or for the entertainment of others. The internet eats that shit up, the suffering of someone else is easily accessible and sensationalized
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and how his story gets misconstrued by people like Internet Historian, who don't do enough research--or DOES do enough research yet decides to leave out major details so he can create his own fictitious narrative of the event. If you want something that has far more respect for the history that's about Floyd Collins, The Dollop made a podcast episode about it.
EDIT: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer in comment sections, by people who instead of looking into it themselves jump straight to believing i'm talking out my ass. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about, and it will be out in the next few days hopefully. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context, as to tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
@C Porter hey, thanks for your reply. Looking forward to your response video, but.... The Dollop guys are so annoying to listen with their constant improv skits or whatever? I can't really see how is that different from this video, although I've watched only a half of the podcast.
5:30 you know, I don't really have claustrophobia, I don't feel uncomfortable in small confined spaces, but when the space goes from its small to 'there is no way in hell anyone is digging me out' is where the fear comes in, the 'I am completely fucked if I get stuck'. in 6th grade we had a field trip to some caves, and the sick fucks decided that we had to crawl 10~ feet into this very small gap and hopefully spin around, and I was full on 'fuck you i'm not doing it, I don't care if others did it and came out fine' I like to think that that the part of my mind that tells me don't do shit like that is what little will I have to live going full self preservation, kind of makes me happy in a morbid way.
I am curious if the story has been corroborated or is solely reported by Miller but him helping a complete stranger without regard is admirable. Gerald and miller are true heroes the bystanders despicable. I wonder if this event is the advent of shock media.
This gave me anxiety like you wouldn't know. Imagine, crawling through a hold that narrow, I don't know if i have clostrophobia, but even someone who doesn't would look at that hole and say "NOPE"
This story consists of a handful of people who went above and beyond to save one man, some teams who did their job as well as they could, and some hundreds of idiots with no sense of decency who couldn't help but make everything much harder than it had to be.
It amazes me how those people just accept the idea that everyone else around them are just stupid rather than questioning whether they really fully understand the situation or scenario.
Henry St. George Tucker Carmichael (Superintendent of Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company) was an Anglo Saxon which was not depicted accurately by Mr "Internet Historian". He took a few liberties in his re-telling of this harrowing story. It's worth mentioning because too many people are distorting historical accuracy for the sake of pandering to contemporary politics.
@Mr Al it's really not worth mentioning. It's very obvious that no one with any sort of high ranking job, in 1920's Kentucky, would be anything other than white. I'd bet everyone involved in the story was white.
Kentucky is about 7% black these days, that was probably lower 100 years ago. And Barren county, probably had about 3 black people live there in 200 years. So we really don't give a shit what stock photo is used to represent any of the people.
@Mr Al alright. Now what? What do we do with this? Can we change it? Fix it? I'm asking you here, do you have the solutions? PLEASE, PLEASE.....just tell me you do. TELL ME that I don't have to do yet more work for...whatever this is.
I've heard this story before but never with so much detail, and the animation was brilliant as usual. Just enough humour but also enough info to keep me interested.
Television these days doesn't seem to understand or appreciate the value of having a story-telling structure in their narrative. Instead of having just boring casual dialogue over long clips of wild life and nature and what-not, Internet historian actually goes to great length to tell A STORY. You know how few do it as well? When people tell stories they almost intentionally leave out the EXPERIENCE and the subjective emotional value, far too often I see stories striped of their meaning and replaced with facts and observations.
Granted IH might also be simply reading from a well done book to begin with, but still. BOOKS, are under rated to say the least. The power of a story teller transcends human civilization.
@tim I don't. This is better than anything on Netflix or in theaters. But to each their own.
Life will go on anyway, I don't see why not get notified of a new upload and learn something I'd never otherwise known about, while having a few lulz from his signature dry humor. One of the best creators on the platform. Yea, I'm willing to give him all the time in the world if he just keeps creating masterpieces like this or "The Gentleman Pirate". They've gotten me through some dark, dark times. I just feel like shit for not being able to financially support his work.
🍒 on top is that he brings many of my other favorite creators as guests! Seeing Wendigoon was like seeing an old "friend" after watching his channel for however long. Same with Ordinary Things, every time I see that blonde mop - my heart smiles. He's another whose videos I'd only skip if I was completely incapacitated.
But again, to each their own. I respect your right to voice the need to have monkeys dance as many times as you say so. Cheers!
@tim I don't fucking mind lol. I binge Internet Historian videos once in a while and every time I rewatch, it just gets better. I would say the time is worth it. Why churning out content as fast as possible but you could ony watch once when you can create timeless videos that makes people revisit once in a while.
@A. Ducky People make a lighthearted comment wishing IH was able to upload more often, and you reply with OTT praise/ass-kissing and say he's treating IH like a dancing monkey, ungrateful for the videos, demanding he "dance" on cue.
Chill out. Internet Historian ain't gonna fuck you, bro.
@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse "What unites people? Armies? Gold? Flags? Stories. There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story. Nothing can stop it. No enemy can defeat it. And who has a better story... than The Internet Historian?" okay I'll stop xD
No doubt about that. He's done a better production for Fyre Fest better than Netflix did and has done a better recounting of this event over an actual movie adaptation of this event.
@Paul S Rohrbaugh What does my name have to do with the jewish religion other than the fact the Jewish religion practices circumcision? How do you know its anti-semitic and not anti-islamic? OR, more likely than all of them, anti-circumcision. I can hate the practice and still love the religion. Love the sinner not the sin. Circumcision, is a sin in my mind. God doesn't require you to perform blood rituals on newborn infants. I know the history of circumcision pretty well, the semites learned the ritual from the pagan egyptians. who, by the way, only performed the mutilation ritual on adult priests, not defenseless children. What kind of person would harm a child in the name of god? Clearly not a child of god.
Plus, in the US, the vast majority of circumcised males, aren't jewish, or muslim. So your argument couldn't be further from truthful. It seems far more like an attempt to criticize something you haven't taken the time to understand.
@Alexander Leonard They didn't always do that. My grandfather had a collection of National Geographics, some of which were so old they didn't even have pictures on the covers.
@tim Great content, but I wish he could hire people to animate and help with the research so he could focus on the writing and the directing, we could get one every month or something like that
@Deathbird Sinister IH seems to have a talent for storytelling. This was better than many movies or documentaries I have seen. I think he could write and direct a great movie if he got the chance.
"Internet Historian is going to put national geographic out of business with these types of amazing videos." Internet Historian puts most mainstream tv shows to shame with these types of amazing videos
I’ve never heard this story before and was rooting for this poor guy so hard. How cruel for them to treat him like that after his death. The love his brother had for him is very clear though
holy freaking claustrophobia on absolute maximum extreme i almost freaking shit myself and pulled all my hair out at the same time. good LORD, i absolutely hate caves but i took this class called the forest. i had to deal with cannibals in deep dark caves, and by god once you reach the light the feeling of pure GLORY is something to behold. never again will i submit myself to such horror. that is, until the reappearing of our lord and saviour. from the deepest darkest cave you could ever imagine, february twenty third twenty twenty three. remember the day my friends. stay in the light.
I remember listening to a podcast about this years ago. They ended up coming to the conclusion that capitalism prevented him from being saved. I was baffled then, am I still am that that's what they got out of this.
The woman in the background, who no matter what, kept reading is such a mood. No matter if she screams at people to not enter a cave or looks at a dead man in a glass coffin, she keeps reading. I get her😆
Perhaps it's just me with a sad, heartbreaking thought, but I think Floyd held on and on through agony and suffering until the moment that lightbulb went out. He probably felt it, and assumed they had decided to give up on him, so he likely closed his eyes and let go, succumbing to the cave.
Such a sad tale. Can't imagine how slowly time must have passed for him.
Its not just a sad heartbreaking thought, its factual he was alone in pain, with nothing to warm him up and the idiots outside who werent trying to dig him up, were just making it harder for the people who were trying to help, its a shitty situation that no one deserves to be in, the moral of the story is: get those who want to help and are able to help engaged and no one else, other people will just want to get their hands on their own profit and that is just part of human nature: "if they dont care, they will not care that they will be making things harder for you". Really shows you need to have good and strong conections like gerald and his brother, and that there are some good people out there like miller.
Ps: Just wanted to get this shit out of my chest, fucking traumatizing bullshit heart-wrenching fucking real goddamned story.
This story really is human nature in miniature. The good and the bad. Heroics, ingenuity, dedication and courage. Counterbalanced by mindlessness, ineptitude, profiteering and depravity.
What disgusts me is that the ultimate victors of this whole debacle are the vultures. The kind of guys who think turning a corpse into a tourist attraction is remotely acceptable. If he simply died in there and his body was recovered it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad. The shit that came after just further increased my misanthropic tendencies…
Yes, that light bulb was his only source of hope, and honestly it was probably helping him stay a little bit warmer so he didn't succumb to exposure. Really sad story
I took it more as the bulb quite literally keeping him alive through warmth. Once it burned out, and with no more food coming to him, his body didn't have the energy to keep him alive.
In response to people saying "it kept him warm so he died": yes, you're absolutely right, that probably was the main cause of death, but also, he already assumed people were trying their very best to save him, and he'd already noticed them starting to visit less and less, because it was becoming harder to do so. The moment that bulb went out, he probably assumed they cut it as a way to say they weren't coming anymore. Even though in actuality, the bulb just died. But his hope he'd been holding onto, died there.
@StyxDescension Shit, if this particular part is factual, he may have (potentially in delirium) nearly gotten someone else stuck down there with him, just so that he didn't have to be alone. I can't even begin to imagine what that would have been like, and it's going to haunt me for the rest of the day.
What kills me is that they could’ve made a fortune on the cave and the gravesite alone. There wasn’t even a reason to exhume the body from a economic standpoint. The guy just did it for the hell of it.
@My 9th Account I mean its the same as the people who profit off the suffering of others in foreign countries through charity organizations. Some of them ban donations less than a hundred dollars knowing full well it'll peer pressure some people into donating more than they want to. Then never solve the problem to begin with, just send in a couple of tuna sandwiches and use the rest to fly around the country in private jets. Or my favorite the news media giving clout to monsters and insisting something else is the problem and not the attention given to someone who did a heinous act knowing people will do anything for attention.
Did he expect visitors to take the same route? The turnaround room and all the other mess? Looks like he was working on the wrong spot then and got himself killed. Also, only bringing one light and then not triple checking it is filled all the way to the top? This guy killed himself with stupidity.
My professor talked about this in class a week ago. Pretty interesting this was in my feed. I go to school 30 minutes away from mammoth cave too! Fun learning!
Man. This quickly escalated from one of the most wholesome hope inducing stories about people working together to an astonishing series of certified society moments.
He got so obsessed with making a path he didn’t think about whether it was really viable. If no one would go down the squeeze to begin with it doesn’t matter if you can technically access the cavern
As an IRL rescue worker, I must have to say, that the bystanders who do nothing beside passively making the situation worse while having an opinion on everything, is all too familiar. Some things never change indeed.
Yeah, I have stopped for an accident to help when it just happend and I can be among the first to arrive but, once there are half a dozen people around an accident it's unlikely you can help unless you are trained to do so. People need to realize that if professionals are working to resolve a problem a crowd will not help them, and it will likely only make it harder to be efficient. Rescue workers need s p a c e not 2 dozen people standing around giving them unsolicited opinions and being a general distraction.
@Jeff Bezos without the pesos If slowing down causes an accident then the person behind was tailgating and should have had his license taken away to begin with.
Bro I once found myself behind a car who did a hit and run on a pedestrian. we stopped to help but I am still scarred by the attidude of the friends of the person getting hit, who tried to assault the paramedics because "IT TOOK TOO LONG FOR YOU TO GET HERE!!!!"
Mob mentality is scary, best of luck out there and thanks for the hard work you do!
@BeardyBadger paramedic is one of the most important yet underappreciated jobs, among the chain of healthcare workers. They are overworked and underpayed, for essentially saving everyone. Thanks for stopping to help. More people should do it, instead of watching and doing nothing beside being in the way and eroding your faith in humanity.
I get you, I'm a nobody really but all we all want is perfection, and it's impossible to expect it from people, but nobody really thinks about themselves
At least now we have professional rescue workers. That’s the ONLY thing that’s really changed here (and speed of information, but that would’ve just led to more onlookers).
Even the methods they used to get him out would be virtually the same as the options available to us today.
@4rkain3 not quite. A lot has changed since. First, there would be a rescue team there within hours, who would have sent the people away, second we have drones, small explosives that can chip away rocks, without causing much collateral, better mining equipment and other tools, which run on electricity importantly, and oxygen systems, i probably can't name all of it. And even without them, as I see it, this man was lost becouse of the lack of a coordinated effort.
@Daniels Vībots my collegue who were at several cave rescue effort said that "today we most likely would use controlled microexplosions, to chip away enough stone around him, enlarging the tunnel to free him."
@BeardyBadger you're scared by that? You're sheltered and don't understand human psychology or trauma. The friend almost died, friends aren't going to act rational if they are experiencing emotional trauma. It sounds like you were traumatized too. You ironically put yourself in the same category as the person you were scared of, by the very act of being afraid. What's more the paramedics weren't phased by the friend at all. They know how to deal with shit. Mob mentality? You pulled that out of a hat. A mob doesn't apply to a half dozen people.
@Sharm Gidly there are tons of things someone can do. Call an ambulance for starters, stop bleedings enough to save a life, provide valuable information, place the person in a stable position or even provide cpr. You don't have to be particularly experienced or trained to do this. Until there are no professionals at hand even minimal help can be life saving. That is my opinion on the subject. Also, not every emergency is strictly medical in nature, and there are examples where conscriping bystanders is a viable strategy.
@gxlorp panic is no excuse for shitty or disruptive behavior. If you can't keep your composure, it is very much your fault. And yes, half a dozen people can very much be overtaken by mob mentality. Among other reasons, that is why friends and family are usually removed from near the patient, with force sometimes if neccecary. Let them calm down first. It baffling how agressive and violent people can be towards those who are trying to help. Even the patients themselves(assuming they are awake). God forbid they watched too much shitty medical drama and agressively yell at medics and doctors how they know better.
Something like this happened recently in Morocco when a child fell into a well. It became national news and at some point neighbouring countries were also invested in it.
Nah, their great great great grandkids are gonna catch heat in school now because the history teacher wanted an easy day and put on this video
In all seriousness, I could see people get up in arms about this. Easy way to put out a fuse and not stir a pot that wasn’t even meant to be served with any ill entente
I just didn’t expect him to be returned to the cave as an exhibit. That was truly disheartening. Greed shows it’s wicked green eye every so often
Yeah. Way too many Americans are angry at dead people these days. Just learn from the story and don't commit the same mistakes and bad acts. No point in getting emotional about it and looking for alive people to blame.
Honestly, no problem with thinking the guy acted like a huge dip, but there’s honestly nothing that can, or SHOULD, be done. Letting it go really is the only option. At most, just point it out as some sort of morality tale, or as something to wax philosophical about on the nature of man, but eh, we all really should have better things to occupy our time with.
@Paul Newman who are you referring to in this instance? no one american or not is obligated to feel any less hate for people in history just because you do too.
@𒈨𒈛𒄩𒆠 "who are you referring to in this instance?"
He was referring to the americans that are angry at dead people, pretty self explanatory i would say.
"no one american or not is obligated to feel any less hate for people in history just because you do too."
He was most likely giving his opinion and not claiming that people have a moral obligation to do as he says, in fact why did you interpret it in that way anyways? Like did you read his comment and think: "Hmm yes when he says "No point in getting emotional about it and looking for alive people to blame." He wasn't just giving his opinion he was making the claim that there is objectively no value in such an activity, that is clearly the most logical conclusion" - 🤓🤓
The mur'cans always have to come through and prove people right, by getting mad at shit that means nothing:') it's one reply on a comment lads chill out Edit; RIP the americans' chill, 2022
they can dish it out but can't take it Edit; point proven thanks Xen:') + learn the meaning of foreign, on an Australian channel, mad about a Polish guy's reply you are the foreigner
@Francisco Pereira and that was my opinion so you don't have to lecture me either and i was asking him which americans angry at which dead people in other words i was asking for context - pretty self explanatory if you have <60 iq lol. additionally he also says "blaming alive people" without any evidence or context.
@𒈨𒈛𒄩𒆠 "and that was my opinion so you don't have to lecture me either"
I got on your case not because of your opinion on the matter but due to you lack of reading comprehension, you can tell because i made 0 comments on your opinion, like did you just not read my comment or something?
" and i was asking him which americans angry at which dead people in other words i was asking for context"
Except you just flat out didn't, you asked: "who are you referring to in this instance?" so only which americans not at who they are angry with, and if you really wanna know the answer to your first and only question: He was making a generalization, it's not refencing anyone in specific.
"pretty self explanatory if you have <60 iq lol."
Ironic coming from the person that needed to be correct on what he himself fucking wrote.
"additionally he also says "blaming alive people" without any evidence or context."
Again i don't really care for the subject at hand, i only got on your case because of the way you chose to interpret Paul's comment.
@Francisco Pereira I don't get why public sentiment should ever change towards someone when they die. Seems like a dumb thing to complain about, people being bothered at a person's actions after they die. Like no shit if their legacy is harmful they will be remembered for it
@Flicks Yeah cause you euroweirdos don't get mad about things dead people did. Hey how long has Britain and France been at odds on and off? A thousand years you say? Damn.
@Africa it's the kids and grandkids that are the reason that he was reburied properly. They were the ones who left off after the family did. This whole video gets the Collins family Dynamic wrong in the first place. Pretends like Lee didn't give a shit about his son in this too. Honestly you shouldn't believe a word that this video says. It is practically fictional compared to the true events.
I would it be possible to pull him out if you could somehow get the harness on his lower back instead of chest? Because wouldn’t the upward force sort of pull him into a sitting position outside the cave?
my only comment is that Sand Cave was on land owned by Bee Doyle. The cave that Floyd had found on the Collins family farm was Crystal Cave (later advertised as Floyd Collins' Crystal Cave) and that is where Floyd's body was eventually displayed in the glass topped coffin (not in Sand Cave). Crystal Cave was off the beaten path and tourists looking for a cave tour had many options that were much closer to the main roads.
This and the nutty putty cave incident has convinced me to never ever risk any sort of dangerous caving. Dying by being stuck in a cave sounds unbelievably horrid.
At least you should go caving underwater so your death is reasonably quick. The only thing worse than death by cave would be death by radiation sickness. Dear God, I hope internet Historian doesn't do a video about the Demon Core or Hisashi Ouchi....
I've noticed that any caving accident relating to getting stuck in a tight spot often ends in tragedy. There's just something about the finality of two impenetrable walls of near-unlimited rock and stone that's horrifying to me. I always fear getting a nightmare about this.
well yeah, avoid "dangerous" caving. Personally, unless you know there's a big room on the other side, never go through a space where you must exhale to go through.
@AbsoluteZeroChill Honestly there is a larger than you think chance of mistaking the right path for the wrong one, I think that is one of the most common ways of getting stuck besides being reckless as hell. I've heard a few stories like that, mostly cave diving as it's confusing but normal caves too.
@Degenerage The most fcked up thing about that (other than the dude dying) were the other cavers who threw a massive tantrum and vandalised his memorial as revenge for the cave being closed and them not allowed to go in anymore
I’m not afraid of too many ways to die, but this one is by far my biggest fear. No amount of money in the world could get me to do that. A burning building looks much less intimidating to me, honestly.
@TheJadeWizard it's like... 15 people get INJURED every year in recreational cave exploring. More people do biking sure, but the number of injuries for biking is still in the 1000's.
@Derzull Ah, Mr Ballen, the channel that traumatized me again and again. Don't forget getting stuck in places you shouldn't, even in normally safe spaces, like that poor guy who got crushed in the trunk of his car. You can be stuck like that anywhere, almost makes you scared of everything.
@AbsoluteZeroChill statistics don’t really give you an accurate indication of risk in these situations. The experience of your guide is a much greater factor than random chance. Meaning, if you carelessly go caving by yourself as a novice there’s a good chance of getting injured.
@AbsoluteZeroChill so statistically the chances of injury in caving are higher if 15 people get injured but only 100 trips are taken (and bear in mind injury isn't fatality) then that's a 15% chance if 1500 people get injured over a suitably multiplied number like a million, that's only 0.15% caving is often guided by experienced people who assess tourists for suitable skill level, nobody asks if you're competent or safe when you buy a bike for you or your kid, bikes are pretty unregulated, but you'll sure as hell be asked what experience you have if you want someone to risk their own life to show you some caves because you just think it seems cool. The severity of injury or sources aren't taken into account with those statistics either. Falling off your bike might result in a trip to A&E (which adds to the statistic even if they stick a band aid on you) and a school will keep records of a kid getting injured on the way to or on the school grounds (massively pushing that number up) but falling down a shaft is going to result in a pretty big rescue situation because you're probably not climbing out yourself and realistically, people go into cave systems themselves with little to no experience and are never seen again so they can't add to the statistic. Do things like that happen? All the time. I was driving around the thistlegorm when about 12% of the outer hull broke off unexpectedly(that's a friggin huge piece of steel), if it had hit people there would have immediately been deaths and despite it being a reasonably advanced dive, tourists dive it every day. If people could just jump into the water there when they pleased I guarantee there would be a massive death rate at that site just like at the blue hole where "experts" made a concerted effort to have the site declared a mass grave by individually trying to beat the caves and running out of air unbeknownst to anybody until they're identified much later, sometimes years later. Oh and for perspective on the statistics of the place, new bodies appear there all the time and nobody knows when they entered, the closest they can guess is by how modern their equipment is.
Yeah, I’m not really sure what this guy was thinking. I get it, he wanted to make money, but crawling through such tight gaps that he could only inch along with his feet? Yeah…that’s just insane.
First visit to the channel for me and I was like, "does Wendigoon's head know these guys are using it's image and if so is it ok with this?" The head says stuff and sounds like Wendigoon so I felt like probably yes. Next thing you know there's Tommy Shelby and the Peaky Blinders because why not and then I'm like, "there is a lot going on here and I'm going to have to watch this several times on account of my deficit of attention."
This telling was so good, I got confused trying to find it again and went to Jacob Geller's channel for a moment, would want to see a wacky collab with him
Man when the YouTube algorithm works..... It fucking works. I've never heard of this channel but I'm sooooo glad it came up on my feed because this was a fantastic hour. Instant sub Mr. Historian!!
Edit: This was highly engrossing. Literally I could not stop watching!!!
I never imagined a video made up almost entirely of memes and stock photos could induce such an overwhelming feeling of tension and claustrophobia. What fantastic writing and editing!
It's an absolute travesty that after his brother worked so hard to have Floyd's body freed and given a proper burial, a complete stranger dug him up and locked him back inside the cave, trapping him worse than the cave itself ever did.
“Ave ya seen the heed?!” Is statement I’ve heard. It was a bit bizarre. We went to the place. It was a mummified European monk’s head in a formaldehyde tank or something. So odd. It’s it’s just off and and and weirdly macabre to say the least. Eesh.
This story would actually inspire Billy Wilder's "Ace in the Hole (The Big Carnival)" released in 1951 which has a much darker and gritty tone to it but it is an incredible movie I would absolutely recommend.
@Republicshallriseagain There are journalists literally being murdered for trying to bring you the truth, but sure, shit on the whole profession for cheap Internet points.
@mrshmuga9 Funny you say that because the mainstream news was publishing outright lies in this story too. At least they corrected themselves later, I guess
@Peace Master Still retracted on that one. Not seeing that nowadays, just mysteriously deleted from their pages (as if there wasn't any webpage archival tool an average guy can use).
@mrshmuga9 Not really, newspapers have always been terrible. He was basically a outsider that accidently stumbled on a big story. The industry was more interested in rumours and conspiracy theories (such as those shown in this video) He would later be fired and then move on to working in television.
@mrshmuga9 One good man does not redeem a profession of scoundrels, crooks, and vultures. The press was yellow long before him, and was so long afterwards. Hell, journos even exaggerated and misreported this very story at the time it was ongoing.
Only in it for journalism? After he got the interview with Floyd he could've moved on with his career, but he kept helping anyway. I think he realized how important he was because he was one of the only men slender enough and ballsy enough to get to Floyd.
Homer is seriously the best bro you could ever ask for. He’ll crawl into a dank cave, squeeze into a terrifying little cave opening with no hesitation, and do everything in his power to save his family. This video was amazing and I’ve already watched it too many times. Also I’m glad to finally find a channel that supports tank on tank romance.
Miller was a pretty great dude too. Went there for a story, ended up risking his life to try to pull the dude out. He didn't have to go that far, but he did.
The worst part of it all is that not only did they not succeed, the ultimate victor in this whole affair are the vultures. Guys who think it’s acceptable to put a corpse in the cave that killed him even after another team of people fought to get the body out and pay people 50 cents a pop to see.
@ChangedNames Also blame the bystanders who caused the cave to collapse in the first placed while also saying they were going to free him while doing nothing.
@Manored remember he didint even know the dude risked his life went in and out multiple times and in the end he rejected a million $ offer meaning he literally did it for nothing but honor and respect
@ChangedNames NNOOOOOOOOOO.... They have NO business, at all, in telling a person what he can or can't do. Unless you are directly endangering another life You should be able to do whatever you choose They only exist to protect our shores, and our interests.
I'm listening to your video while I do school work. I'm an 1 hour in and everytime you say "miners" I hear "minors" and I can't help but think of a bunch of toddlers and teens trying to get floyd out and being payed nothing because child labor.
I'm so sad that I haven't found your channel sooner. This is absolutely amazing storytelling and editing. I had to replay 1:05:55 again and again because that was too funny
The fact that Johnnie Gerald simply showing up was enough to raise Floyds spirits is touching to say the least... not to mention the lengths this childhood friend and his brother went to! Human spirit... Never forget the simple good we can all do for one another and it's much easier than this example.
It’s when he begged the miner to stay with him knowing a cave in was inevitable is what got to me the most. Even though Collins went as far as trying to trick the man there was no malice in it, just pure despair and fear…
@Concept almost definitely not. He was there for 12 days without food or water. That’s certain death unless the other guy decided to cut off parts of his body to feed Collins.
@Memeguppy The cave was so unstable at that point that the entire cave, not just the entrence to the sqeeze was going to collapse if they tried digging into the cave rather than straight out. If it was more efficent to dig in to the cave, they would have. It would have just meant there would be two dead people instead of just one.
It's possible that Collins didn't think that people would continue to try to rescue him after the cave collapsed, so by trapping another person, especially a person from the military, he could be more confident that additional attempts would be made to save him. It may have been a last-minute hostage attempt born out of pure desperation and helplessness in a sudden moment. That's my theory anyway...
@MeChupaUnHuevon I 100% agree, not to mention even though they were in a cave full of ice, there wouldn’t have been enough food or water for either of them
@Madison Brady I think you are overthinking it. We are talking about someone stuck in the dark, in a lot of pain, not eating or drinking anything for 24 hours at best at a time, soaked in freezing water and mostly alone for days on end. He was feeling nothing but pure terror at that point. He wasn't being calculated or selfish, he just didn't want to be alone anymore.
Every time I watch these videos where people get themselves and predicaments like that, where they even sometimes die, I get so anxious that even in a wide open room I feel claustrophobic, I am one of those guys that would say no f**** way, and turn around and go back!! Edit: however if it was one of my siblings I would have no choice but to swallow my fear and proceed just like home or did. 😳
When they said that the he likely died shortly after the light around him went out, I strongly suspect he lost absolutely all hope and fight in the cold darkness and resigned to dying alone without ever being dug out.
The idea that his hope died and then shortly after he followed is absolutely terrifying pure torture. I couldn't even begin to imagine his thoughts...
I honestly felt physically ill at the story, even how his body was exploited for monetary gain after the fact was just so gut wrenching. The recurring false hope made it so much worse as well because I genuinely thought he would make it.
On the plus side of all of that: His brother, childhood friend, and Journalist 100% made me feel like they would do anything and everything to get him out. I think it was just too long in the hole without anyone contacting him which made him feel like the cave in was too great for them to reach him.
Yeah or the fact that the bulb was very inefficient and would have been a decent source of warmth (you know, like half the point of the thing) might have been what contributed to him dying of exposure 1 day after it went out.
Yeah I was watching that hour counter go up and was gutted when they said he died. It was up to something like 20 days by the time he died so he survived an ungodly amount of time.
Temperature is probably the thing that killed him. Or maybe thirst, what is probable (the part about him maybe getting some water is only a possibility), but it is important to say, he was lying and not able to move - so he didn't really need food this much. While not doing anything, human body needs very little to survive, of course he had to be really hungry etc. but still able to survive. But with so low temperature, covered in cold stone, and wet (even if the cave somehow wasn't wet, let's be honest, he had to pee in there and lying in it)... It is surprising he survived this long, even if this light he had gave him some heat.
@FChMaster yeah I agree with the coroner that it was exposure. His quality of life wouldn't have been great if he had been pulled out either from all of the damage of just laying there. Nasty things happen to you if you can't move.
The human body is absolutely fantastic at enduring. We're purpose- built to withstand more than you think we could! Broken bones are usually a death sentence for most of the animal kingdom, as are entire missing limbs. But here we are, living from amputations when medical science was in its INFANCY. and beyond that-- 90+ y/o people enduring on a diet of cigarettes and coke, folks that survive suicide by taking lead to the head, folks walking away from massive car crashes with scrapes and bruises... It's why I love working in an ER. The indomitability of the human spirit proves itself again and again as my docs and nurses work on what should be a death sentence.
Not to say we have the reverse-- I've needed moments of silence after working on some kid who zigged when he should've zagged. But fuck, we got folks running around in my community we thought were GONERS when they first came in.
it is amazing how resilient and at the same time frail the body can be you can get trapped for weeks at a time or get a metal bar thrust into your skull with explosive force and still live but if you have a little tumble and fall incorrectly, you die
@Nisah Urbina Um. Hi, I'm a biologist and, uh...no. Humans are incredibly fragile. And other animals can be really, really tough. I've seen animals with no jaw left survive, and even thrive.
@Amelia Bee Humans can regenerate really well and the fact we can work together is what makes us survivable. It's the human spirit that makes us tought not the body we are given. I trust the ER doc more than a biologist on the topic of human endurance.
@Amelia Bee while our bodies may not be the toughest, our minds are the strongest. What would stop most creatures from the ability to hunt and survive (missing limb, broken bones, blind, deaf), modern medicine and the will to live makes us an unstoppable species. I think that’s what the person meant
@Nisah Urbina I mean, taking a look, most reports of amputation mortality as far back as I can find suggest a 46-65% mortality rate.
And that isn't humans trapped in shit circumstances, that's 1700s and 1800s war and major city hospital figures. The best I got before modern medicine kicked off is civil war amputation mortality rates of 26-30%.
@Amelia Bee our strength comes from us being such social creatures. There's countless evidence of us looking after our sick and elderly to the point of recovery (healed bones etc), it's why we're such a successful species. As a biologist, I don't really know why you're acting as if there's only one kind of strength and it's only valid through physical ability. Even most people who don't study the field understand there are different contexts to being a strong species.
@K Cannon yeah, I don't mean to be disrespectful but Bee doesn't strike me as someone who's actually studied the field of biology. Maybe just made it up in hopes to appear more credible, but the fact they seem to think strength comes only in physical ability speaks volumes. We're an incredibly successful species due to being highly social animals who looked after our sick and elderly and invested so much into our brain intelligence wise. (Obviously there's lots of other factors and lots of luck involved to get us to evolve as we have, but there's no way that strength comes from physical viability and nothing else).
Really wish people would drop this whole "survival of the fittest ("strongest" in this case)!!" Nonsense because that's such an incredible over simplification, lack of understanding and too much immaturity to think it all has to do with physical strength and physical strength only.
@Octávio Rosa Sure, but my point is you probably also had relatively quick access to relatively experienced surgeons.
I imagine the mortality rate was higher for people who got amputations in other environments. Especially in cases like having your foot roughly torn off by a rock in a cave. I'd imagine the mortality rate for those kind of injuries was pretty near 100%. Heck, even today with the full brunt of modern medicine in a country like the US, traumatic amputations (that's an amputation done by some violent incident, like a car crash, not one done by a doctor) have a fatality rate of 15%.
Miller seems like a real stand-up guy. Did everything he could and put himself in mortal danger to rescue a complete stranger, and then refused to profit off of the ordeal.
Especially since he even went through the squeeze after so many had turned back cause of it. That was likely his first time even in a cave, and he did something expert cavers would wince at.
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Eric Kane2022-09-29 20:30:34 (edited 2022-09-29 20:31:04 )
@TwerkToSpec you're a loser trying to piss people off (unsuccessfully) in a comment section, you have multiple other replies begging for attention, get a life.
It's the old days charm where man like miller still have dignity as a journalist and would genuinely try to help the people he wrote a story about
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Leon Connelly2022-09-29 22:09:20 (edited 2022-09-29 22:09:32 )
@Benjamin Lambert that’s not what journalistic integrity means lol. This is like gonzo journalism getting involved in the story, journalistic integrity just means being fair. Incredible guy but that’s just not what that means
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Leon Connelly2022-09-29 22:11:33 (edited 2022-09-29 22:11:55 )
@Diel a lot of journalists back in these times used to very actively cause more problems in stories so they could report on them, kind of like today really just in a more active sense. Miller was exceptional for back then as well
@Leon Connelly not profitting off of the story and just being content with doing your job however, is integrity. show me one of these rats that call themselves journalists today, and i show you a person that would write positive texts about mao
@遠雷 lol, the naivete. Some journalists will do a hell of a lot more than that for their "fancy prize". They'll spend months under fire in warzones and get themselves murdered by gangsters, and endure years of hardship for their career ambitions. Characteristic of the personality type is only the dimmest sense of their own mortality, much like the people who go caving in the first place. Don't get me wrong, at least they are earning their damn "prizes" and success in the field, and they may or may not have personal motivation too. But its emblematic of how the world is the way it is that you infants see people doing things that bring them success and money and are gushing at their selflessness.
@Leon Connelly Oh, I'm sure there are a few journos who wouldn't better the world by their passing. Probably. But in the balance, the world would still be much better off if we lined them all up against a wall and gave them what they want to give people like me.
@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin He declined a contract for more money. You seem upset people were trying to do the right thing. Seems to have challenged your worldview so you decided to cherry pick information. Don't worry it happens to people without the courage.
@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin Usually I wouldn't resort to using a point as juvenile as this - but: What have you done to make you think you can speak so high and mightily about morality and bravery? Even if Miller had only done what he did for the Pulitzer Prize (which I doubt), he still risked neck and limb for a complete stranger. By the way you talk this, you just sound like some edgy contrarian that wants to feel like he "knows" something everyone else doesn't.
@Diel I think this story perfectly illustrates how people in "the old days" were people, same as today. For every hero you've got a dozen unhelpful dickheads and greedy opportunists. He was just an exceptional guy.
The grotto that he found has never been confirmed. The large grotto chamber which he was digging towards. I wonder what it looked like considering he died for it... It's still down there... In the darkness... Any takers?
i kept putting myself off from watching this vid cause i thought it would be boring and not as good or entertaining as your other vids but now that i finished it i think its even better
William Miller is such a chad. Actual good journalist, brave enough to plumb the depths and responsible for bringing so much interest and so many resources to this situation!
If they ever made a movie off of this they need to have Jamie Bell or Tom Holland portray him, he had the exact look. They even nicknamed him Skeets because he had to be so small to get through the squeeze
@stan jones Ironically, this was probably the worst example of this; this was only a decade after the heyday of yellow newspapers and the sensationalism boom; (~1890's-early 1900's) where yellow journalism would over sensationalize everything, such as misleading the public to think that Spain exploded a US warship, which led the USA into war over perceived aggression from Spain.
Goes to show human integrity can be found in the worst of places.
This destroyed me. I just kept thinking about if this was my brother. Imagine trying to move on and then some asshole buys your dead brothers corpse to turn into a side show attraction! Tragic
Despite how it turned out, we need to give some kudos to Miller. The dude was a REPORTER, no caving experience, and yet was one of the few to reach Floyd and one of 3 or 4 to actually do a lot of work that could have resulted in him being saved in a more idealised world, where people being trapped underground isn't seen as a tourist attraction
Guy was an absolute chad, willing to go to hell and back for his job, even refused to directly profiteer from the story, and even assembling a team of cavers to finish Floyd's job, god bless his soul.
I don't understand why the man didn't focus on making the way IN bigger before working on the entrance to the evidently glorious cave on the other side.
Man, i just realized after the third time watching this that he had to endure going to the bathroom on himself and staying that way in that smelly mess for like a month…
Me at beggining of story "Well of course they gonna rescue him how else can this story go" me at the end"Oh god oh no how IS THAT EVEN LEGAL jessus crist make it stop this poor poor man."
I actually felt sick as the animation backed out of the cave, showing how deep he was in. That contextualized these incidents for me like nothing ever has before.
Poor man really died. The cave heard he wanted to make it into a tourist attraction and the cave fought back by turning him into the tourist attraction
I feel so horrible for Floyd. The idea of being trapped like that alone is not something I would wish on anyone. Glad his brother did everything in his power both before and after Floyd's death to bring him home.
@Gary Mericano Nah, the real killer here is going spelunking ALONE. Had rescue operations been able to be mounted like several hours earlier, they could've absolutely gotten him out in time.
Also, if his Intent was to create access to.the cave for tourists, why wouldn't he clear out the turnaround room before clearing more stuff further down?
@Gary Mericano You have to understand, this is a man who has almost nothing, living in backwater kentucky with a father that can barely even run the farm himself, let alone properly teach his son. Not to mention, it's his passion. The idea was just to create a proper path into the gypsum cave as fast as possible, so he could start operating it as a tourist attraction. Clearing out the turnaround room further could've taken months on its own.
bro ngl hes a committed brother. being alone is hard enough but being completed trapped is horrifying even for someone who isn't claustrophobic. i can say with utmost certainty, if any of my family were ever in a similar predicament i wouldn't have the courage to even attempt sadly
@Gary Mericano yeah it was obvious he was desperate for money. i mean its cave tourism? so far he kept digging in further and further and its cool he found like natural holes but no one wanted to go in the squeeze??? you think theyd go all the way in?? it was clearly a rushed effort
@RedPhoenix120 I think part of the problem was that few people could fit through the squeeze in the first place and at the time the only reason to crawl through would be to try and help dig him out which at the time seemed impossible
Don't be afraid To go caving. Go safely, there's wide-open caves with high ceilings, if you don't think you can do a squeeze don't do it, carry food and water, be aware of temperature for caves. Carry 2 plus light sources, never go alone. Wear protective gear. Caving is a beautiful experience, this is a freak accident from the 1920s, cave ins are extremely rare and this story is a disaster
Make sure you tell multiple people where you're going and if you're not in touch after x amount of time as well. Safety is priority. I've done a handful of caves, more so an urban explorer but i don't mind going under ground, it's peaceful, you see beautiful things, you explore and create memories, you get grimy you do and see things you'll never see above ground. Try finding a local grotto willing to teach you and go with you. There are plenty.
@Julian Schaffer even without this horrible story I think deeps are pretty scary, scuba or cave diving its so unsettling. Also there is a lot of fun on surface.
@Julian Schaffer Yeah the fun on the surface part is not a strong argument. And not getting scared of depths, especially narrow caves require big balls. And your wording "Whatever gets me underground." killed me stay safe mate.
this entire incident really encompasses all the bad and good humanity can make. from selfless and pure will of wanting to save a life to fucked up shit of profiteering over a dead man who clearly suffered so much.
That was the most American story ever told. Bravery, exploration, shameless profiteering, government grandstanding followed by government betrayal, heartbreak, grave robbing, honoring the dead...
It really had it all. Well... no love story but that'll be in the movie for sure.
Why HASN'T a movie been made about this story yet? Sure, it's a tragedy and it could potentially be seen as insensitive, but even more people died on Titanic and look how that story was treated.
The cave seemed to me like less of a location and more of an entity, like it grew attached to Floyd and didn't ever want to let him go. Maybe that was the love story all along? The (not quite) love between a cave and a man?
Literally! As soon as I heard about the shameless business and contract practices that occurred, the younger stepmother that Floyd had a good relationship with and the government turning their backs on the rescuers, I just thought "wow, this is for Hollywood"
As for another thing no one’s talking about that absolutely adds significant discomfort to all of this. Where exactly do you think he went to the bathroom all this time?
There was probably a small bathroom right around the corner from where he was trapped. I imagine he went there between interviews and rescue attempts for some much-needed privacy.
Well, I wouldn’t categorize them in such a polarized way… funny internet stories they may be, they are still history, and may be a useful tool for seeing how things ended up the way they did far into the future— or maybe only a couple of decades from now.
I agree, he tells a fantastic story! If anyone enjoyed this, I highly recommend watching The Gentleman Pirate and The Swedish Job on the Incognito Channel.
It's all related though. This is one of the first ever broadcast rolling news stories; news as entertainment, attracting unwanted public attention. It's IH's specialty: how a widespread public response affects, and is affected by, the media.
The broadcast radio and newspapers provided updates on Floyd more than daily- regardless of whether they were true or not. The media attracted more helpers to the scene; but in general the public enjoyed themselves, stood around and gawked, harassed the family, wasted rescuer's time, spread rumours and made hoaxes, hampered government funding, and them being there at all actually contributed to the cave collapse which eventually killed Floyd.
Great job! I am so glad that the story of Floyd is still being told. One minor correction though, his body wasn't returned to Sand Cave, it was placed in the cave that the Collins family ran as a commercial cave call Crystal Cave, which was crucial in the efforts made to connect the Flint Ridge System to the Mammoth Cave System making it the world's longest (now over 426 miles long). There's a really good book called Trapped! The Story of Floyd Collins by Roger Brucker & Robert Murray. If anyone has the chance to visit the National Park, go down the boardwalk to the entrance of Sand Cave and just try to imagine everything that took place there. It's spooky, beautiful and amazing.
Why the rest of the guys didn't try to move any rocks out of the way is beyond me... goin.. I'll be back... instead of doing stuff to actually help... And I'd say Floyd himself was an idiot as well. He could've chopped down some wood to prop up the cave entrance, made it a lot safer, and he could've widened the gosh darn entrances everywhere, instead of rushing in like an idiot.
@The Major we’re talking 1920’s here safety wasn’t the first thing on most peoples minds especially not some guy living in the hill lands of Kentucky that goes into the same cave every single day
I think the circumstances are really impressive and i agree with the sentiment, but if you've ever done landscaping before, moving a ton of soil takes about an hour for a layperson to do. The volume is actually nowhere near as imposing as it seems.
@styk0n 1000 LBS is equal to a small car, it is easily as imposing as it seems, you just think its impressive because of the little patch he was in, but it was more impressive because he did it with a fucking paint can.
The opening scared me so much (OH GOD I LIVE IN KENTUCKY IS THE CAVE GONNA EAT ME?) but then I got hit with "for reference, here's a subway sandwich" and I was comforted by remembering what channel I was watching
Its hindsight and I might be lacking some perspective, but you'd think if so many "tough guys" showed up wanting to save the day you just start giving them pickaxes and just try to make the tunnel bigger. Has to be better than standing around
Is it weird that I sat steady throughout all of Cost of Concordia- even the ship listing and and the flooding and all that- but got incredibly tense just seconds into this?
Went into this completely blind and was taken for a roller coaster ride of emotions, and was thoroughly devastated at Floyd's fate, amazing storytelling and effort all around Mr. Historian
I have claustrophobia, and I can't watch this video. I can't stop imagine i was there instead of him and I'm terrified. What a horror. Anyone else can't or have problems to watch?
The full hour of the rescue story is a tale of the pure kindness and determination by people to save and honor someone The last 9 minutes are a sharp "nevermind."
Perfect example of how capitalism destroys humanity. People were out there doing the work to save this man, willing to walk away for the most part when many of them were never paid for their efforts. But then as soon as money could be made by putting his corpse on display in the same place all those people worked tirelessly to try to free him from in the first place, suddenly money is the only thing that matters-- Even the judge sided with the businessman who turned his corpse into a tourist show. It's so depressing, but one of the clearest cases of capitalism eroding human compassion that I have ever seen. It's just so blatant and undeniable.
@effluviah I find it ironic that you are using this story to push an agenda while complaining that others are using a story to make profit. Its not capitalists fault that people are heartless bastards.
@effluviah Laughs in Lenin's Mausoleum. Thirst for power is what leads people to trample human dignity, it's not proper to money and capitalism. It's part of human nature, really. Some people just have a lower bar to how far they can go into trampling other people for their own gain.
Some put on display corpses. Some buy iPhone made by exploited Chinese people and containing minerals extracted by children. Some demonize and exclude from society people based on their personal choices, for political power. Very different levels of trampling, for very different gains.
Always been this way, far before capitalism even existed, and will always be this way.
@Sausage Floyd had been exploring caves since he was very young. If the lamp had gone out the very first time he went in, the exact same thing would have happened. Same if it was his second time, or his third, fourth, etc.
Often times, tragedy simply...happens. Life doesn't care what economic system or political beliefs you have. It would be unbelievablly naive and simple minded to attribute Floyd's death to a flaw in human society. These terrible things would happen regardless of any of that.
@effluviah This is truly a harrowing, mournful story that requires the utmost care and reverence.
up next, Capitalism Bad: where we throw critical thinking and nuance to the wind and give you a hyperbolic, surface level snippit on why it was capitalism and only capitalism that caused events to transpire as they did, and is definately not using a tragic event to push a political agenda; I mean when does that ever happen...
@effluviah Conveniently ignoring the part where a capitalist business owner basically shuts down his mine, takes his workers and does everything he can to try to save this man despite the fact that it probably cost him a ton.
really, the last 9 minutes don't make me say that at all. What matters is what happened when he was alive, and they tried hard. The disposition of the corpse is irrelevant.
@effluviah Why even bring up the judge? Their job is to follow the law impartially, not to decide based on fee fees. It's not the judge's fault Floyd's father was stupid and/or careless enough to make a deal that turned Floyd's corpse into a tourist show.
Also kepitelism bad can I have some updoots please.
@effluviah This isn't an issue with Capitalism, this is an issue of greed. Greed exists in all political structures. There is no world in which there isn't a person willing to exploit another, which is depressing but it's truth.
@Hawkbone Floyd only put himself in a situation to be killed like that because he lived in a capitalist society that encourages people to make as much money as they can as fast as they can at any risk
@LordVader1094 Systems dont comit sins. People do. Blaming capitalism for a man's death is as foolish as blaming communism. Its not the system its the people. People do horrible things. There is no if, and, but, or why. Its human nature to be equal parts hero and monster. For all the grandstanding about using a man's corpse for profit how many here are doing the same for ideological messages. Hell, even this video is the same, profit from this man's story of suffering. And we are here. Bantering over his grave.
@Sausage in a socialist society where people get to work jobs that they’re good at, Floyd will still be in that cave exploring it and prepping it for the world to see. Floyd’s passion had always been caves. If he focused on money he would have become a farmer instead.
@Hawkbone Hawkbone you must have a short memory...remember what floyd was doing there in the first place? At the beginning of the video? Capitalism. The motive. Part of the method. All of the crime.
@Hawkbone He didn’t say capitalism killed Floyd, he said it’s destroying humanity (ie law gaming a family out of a corpse to put it on display for tourist money.)
@Hawkbone If you had paid attention to the video, then you would know that's not true at all. It wasn't the lamp going out that trapped as it wasn't the first time. It was him accidentally pulling the rock which unclogged the pocket of gravel above him to crash down on him
@GR-81 Ah so the least empathetic and caring for human life?
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da jokah baby2022-09-29 22:57:38 (edited 2022-09-29 23:02:06 )
@Sangral Knight Pretty much, like it’s not a coincidence that every system we come up with that’s aimed to somehow improve society almost always ends up being corrupted in some form or another.
@Epistemophiliac Remember Commies aren't human. Shooting them is merely destruction of state property
Unironically these monsters will murder you, your entire family and 90% of your nation just to get their retarded ideology to "Work" as it devolves into a totalitarian backwards nightmare. They are undeserving of human rights
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Jean Hunter2022-09-29 23:05:58 (edited 2022-09-29 23:06:15 )
@da jokah baby 5+ years ago I’d think so, but you’d be surprised now adays with some people I’ve met in person and online.
Floyd worked harder than anyone to become a rich man, he ended as a corpse, trapped in a cave, exploited for capital by a man who was already filthy rich. I don' t think there's a better analogy to demonstrate how much of a scam the American dream is and how purely evil capitalism is.
@Jean Hunter …no, I actually want to destroy the world. OF COURSE it’s satire!
And systems don’t have feelings, communism cares just as much about you as capitalism. Go look at the Rockefeller period, there is a reason the US made anti-trust laws and other things like it at that time period. Its because the rich capitalists basically ruled the country for a while, and we paid for it in human life! Only after regulation became involved did things get better. Both systems are imperfect, communism just manifests its imperfections quicker.
And honestly you can’t really blame either system for their imperfections, both would work were it not for human flaws like greed and a desire for power.
Capitalism relies upon human greed, so I’d be shocked if we couldn’t find a better system, but we’d never be able to switch to it unless it benefitted those in power.
@LordVader1094 muh capitalism! Said redditor munching on his vegan steak while less than 100 years ago people were starving to death under communism. So progressive!
@5uperM Heck, even the children of Party members suffered malnutrition when I was a kid. Fish head soup was pretty darn common except Party members had ready supplies of good food.
No one will ever convince me that this is fun. All these people are in on something, I will not have it any other way. Never will I ever go into a cave where I can barely fit.
It’s just pains me to know that Homer and the others were so close, but yet so far away from saving Floyd. It must have haunted Homer’s mind for the rest of his life. I hope those two are reunited again in the afterlife.
@Miðgarðsormr Apophis Honestly not as bad. His death was horrible, but there was never really any hope of getting him out, and it was still faster than what happened to Floyd.
@Beep Bop Did you not pay attention to the video? They certainly would have been able to dig him out, but several mistakes lead to the cave's structure collapsing before they could free him. Maybe it was inevitable in the deterministic sense, but theoretically they could have gotten him out. It wasn't necessarily a no-hope situation.
@Marco Bott I was referring to the man who died at nutty putty cave. He was basically dead the moment he decided to try and go through the crack in which he got stuck.
The greatest tragedy of all was the fact that all of this was for nothing: The guy went down there hoping to open up a path to an incredibly impressive chamber in the cave for the sake of tourism, but nevermind how even experienced cave delvers would balk at the route in question, the whole thing came down after only a few days of traffick in and out. It was a doomed endeavor from the very beginning. He died trying to create a path that would inevitably collapse once tourism started.
The homie Miller was at least able to locate the crystal cave with scientists. So at least he was able to share his discovery with the world, just not the way he intended.
"In 1954, he returned to the Mammoth Cave National Park area with a group of 32 people (journalists, scientists, and explorers) who were eager to study the famous Crystal Cave that Collins had originally discovered in 1917. They entered it, and spent an entire week exploring; Miller told an Associated Press reporter the Crystal Cave, with its "flower-like formations of gypsum, 'was like an orchid paradise' and despite its role in the tragedy of Collins' death, it was still a place of amazing natural beauty."
Its also tragic how much the public continuously made things worse as time progressed. I can't imagine the disappointment of the four people who actually wanted to see him alive, and the anger they must have felt at the mishandling of the situation by the public
Not really, all cave I have been in are like this due to its softer, eroded metarial. I bet anyone want to open a cave they have to open a entrance first, reinforce it, then open to tourist.
@samuraiwarrior87 Maybe, but don't assume that a Kentucky farmboy and cave explorer would know much about geology or cave stability, and if a cave is unstable enough, reinforcement just isn't possible. I mean, the tunnel he was working in was just one rock kick away from dumping gravel on him and trapping him. His working to expand that tunnel would inevitably bring it down on him one dayif that's the case. If a single rock was all that supported it, that section of the cavern was by no means stable. It is quite possible that no amount of reinforcement could have made that route safe, even if he had access to the knowledge, skills, manpower, and resources needed to do a professional job of it, and was aware that the section in question really was that bad.
They could've fortified the entrance like they did later in the rescue mission. But I doubt that with the technology at the time it would've been possible to maintain for very long. Plus, any heavy machinery that's operated close to the cave would have made the descent deadly. And I'm not sure how they would've gotten carbon monoxide out of a cave system back then.
@WaaDoku 【和ァ独】 it broke down twice even when it was fortified in the attempts to rescue Floyd. It would've fell apart with the resources they had available then.
@putent I think it's pretty evident if you don't want to know the outcome in advance that you don't look into the comments and first watch the full video. I did it that way because I knew just from the suspense of the video that people are going to discuss what happens at the end. Of course people are gonna want to discuss the story.
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First Last2022-10-03 16:25:44 (edited 2022-10-03 16:25:54 )
@putent Oh, sorry, spoilers for something that literally happened a century ago.
@StrikeWarlock They worked very quickly under immense pressure and with extreme time constraints. I think they could've made it work in a few months' time under normal circumstances and with the necessary funding.
@WaaDoku 【和ァ独】 no. The fact that Floyd spent 8 months just to widen that cave further means that months wouldn't be enough based on the resources he had. Years would be more accurate.
@First Last Floyd actually trained under a geologist who taught him about the layout of the land and the cave systems, and he was an incredibly experienced caver who knew lots about working with cave systems. Of course (obviously) Sand Cave was dangerous, but he knew that better than anybody even before he got stuck in there.
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First Last2022-10-04 06:22:24 (edited 2022-10-05 02:55:30 )
@Kenan Phillip Right. And maybe that's the problem: "He knew better than anybody." The day this all started, he didn't take the cave seriously. He'd gotten so used to the cave that he was no longer being as cautious as he should be. I mean, he didn't bother checking to make sure his lamp was full of kerosene before entering. That's despite knowing he planned to spend several hours down there. He'd been down there so many times that he'd quit making sure that his most important equipment was ready for the expedition. He stopped treating it like an extremely dangerous task and started treating it as routine, and it cost him dearly. He got overconfident and complacent, and that's what ultimately led to this entire situation. It is when you stop treating something as dangerous as a cave like this with the respect it deserves, even unconsciously, that it kills you.
i was dozing off at the end of the video and heard the happy music, wasn't fully paying attention as i had decided it was a happy ending, and then "he was dead." fully woke me up and made me bust out laughing. after all of that shit. they finally decided to dig a hole after like 2 weeks. and he was dead.
There was a 1951 Hollywood movie based on this called Ace in the Hole, starring Kirk Douglas. Kirk Douglas was a pretty big star - worked a lot with Kubrick - and though he was 100% Hollywood, he did try and get some interesting projects made.
He was also the original (original for me, as an old fart, anyway) Doc Holliday in Gunfight at the O.K. Corral!
first heard of it remotely by a conservative dude talking about the dangers of pursuing the esoteric in a youtube vid. The guy gives a lot of good philosophy in his vids.
I'd like to think that since he was finally laid to rest, every now and then he comes down from his peaceful afterlife and is able to explore all the caves he wants to by no-clipping as a ghost, getting to see the wonders in all it's glory illuminated by his radiating and brave soul. Maybe he even pokes fun at the very site where he passed, unable to be harmed anymore and having the freedom to finally navigate through passages he originally tried digging by hand. Above all else though I pray he found peace in his final moments. God bless his and other brave adventurers souls.
@BLB Entertainment I love this thinking. His ultimate goal was to find out more about that cave's beautiful sight, in order to make money too of course. But what a dead man wants to do with money. He's gambled his life with the cave and the cave won. Best to let him no clip the cave.
@TheDeckinator he died trying to make a killing off of tourism, stated in the first 10 minutes. I think he'd love the money more than the "cramp wet cave" aspect, homie
This is at the same time the best Internet Historian Video ever, and also the worst. What I mean, is that watching this for the first time was one of the most intense experiences I've ever had with any audiovisual medium. This made me sweat and gasp more than any movie I've ever seen. However, once you know the ending, it is very hard and heart wrenching to see, therefore lowering it's rewatchability, a staple of Internet Historian's videos.
Masterful storytelling. Was genuinely heartbroken when the verdict was announced. The way the public acted is exactly how I’d expect people today to react.
@TicklingOscars Animation you know what, we did. The Philippines cave rescue went so much better. It ended in a happy note. Despite being a big news, the families now know peace.
It just dawned on me that on top of everything else this poor guy dealt with, he also had to have shit himself at least three or four times and pissed himself countless times. And after a pint of coffee and 9 sausage sandwiches, that had to be a real doozy of a deuce. Damn......☹️
I'm trying to figure out was this video supposed to be funny or serious? Because I couldn't help but find myself laughing a lot, the way the story was narrated and the animation plus the unfortunate timing of rocks falling from the ceiling and striking people in the head or back 😂 had me gasping for air between laughs !!
Light bulbs back then lasted way, way longer than they do today. Once they were strung up, there was no need to worry like we do today about bulbs intentionally made to blow up to make you buy another and then leave a tiny carbon footprint as you do.
05:06 absolutely terrifying representation of just how deep Floyd was. Throughout the video I kept thinking back to this whenever a rescuer went inside to help him.
I took a break from watching this after seeing that part. Just finished watching it. Aside from the great storytelling in general, the visualization of the squeeze just put me emotionally on edge while watching that whole thing.
Since this video also included bits of the real area, and considering its fame, I just assumed the cave's interior had probably been made available digitally, after having been captured by drones or something.
@LinkEX Having visited a couple of caves, there is zero chance that even a skilled drone pilot could fly one through a cave. If the drone disappeared behind even a few feet of rock, the signal would cut out instantly.
From the sounds of the rescue efforts, the cave had already been mapped out very well (probably by Floyd himself, unless someone else had made a map during the rescue chaos), since they knew exactly where to dig down to reach him.
@Sara Pineda Ah, I wasn't talking about the flying kind. I agree, this literal crawlspace is absolutely unsuitable for quadrocopters. I was thinking more generally about "remote-controlled robots with cameras", using other means of movement.
Floyd, while presumably leaving us with a decent physical map, obviously didn't provide any digital files to work with, haha.
the sad thing is, what actually killed him wasn't the cave, it was all the gawkers. Yeah, of course lightning a bunch of fires is gonna make ice melt, and if it hadn't, they would have gotten him out.
Watching his way there all the way until he got stuck actually gave me anxiety. I'm not claustrophobic and I've never had a panic attack, but at some point yesterday I thought about quitting the video. There just is something about this predicament and/or death that is inhumanely horrifying. I've once read about a man who did the same as Floyd but ended up in a shaft with a downward inclination head-first ...
Which makes the thought process of "I'm gonna turn this place into a tourism hotspot, with an entrance that would absolutely trap anyone with waist over 20 inches" more mind boggling. Like even if he was successful, I'd imagine the only tourist that shows up would be exclusively limited to experienced veteran cave experts, and that's IF anyone showed up.
This is how people who fall into crevasses die. And it happens fairly frequently in the world of mountaineering, where people have to cross crevasse covered glaciers. Many people have died, upside down, deep in the dark, cold, crevasse.
Their pack is no help, as it helps to keep them trapped.
Wendigoon content quality pales in comparison to all other channels of a similar size. He's just a bored, monotone, droning, half asleep dude talking from a tiny room
Miller, Homer, Gerald, and those volunteers were all the heroes; not one of them didn't give it their all. Miller gave the resources, gave the effort, while the rest made up the difference with the same pure effort.
Everyone who was able to get though the turnaround room are all heroes, including the engineer guy. They were the only ones brave enough to actually try and help him.
@pr0chszy I'd disagree, as people were already gathering outside and causing problems before Miller actually released his story. Miller's attention is what attracted the military and, if only they had been a bit quicker, they might have managed to save him. It's a damn shame no matter how you slice it.
The scenes of which Gerald found the entrance has been blocked by rockfalls totally heart-tearing...and makes the Sand Cave personification more chilling
You forgot to mention, there was a f*cking MUSICAL. My college theatre did it, that's how I first heard Floyd's story. Singing and dancing about a man dying in a cave. Wild. Wonder what Floyd would have thought of a musical being made about him?
I seen a frightening story how kapitalism and the fierce competition it creates forced a man to crawl through hell for months until he got stuck and died and people only showed up to help once it was too late and nobody thinks the system should maybe change.
It also shows how fucking stupid the average person can be, like when they made that whole thing a huge tourist attraction to profit from it and started spreading rumors.
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The Cum Guzzler2022-10-03 13:32:52 (edited 2022-10-03 13:33:15 )
It is; however, I can’t help but be really frustrated by the gawkers who made things worse. I’m pissed beyond what I should be. fuck, man, I hate them.
It's also a story about how stupid and useless most people are. Watch it again and this time pay attention to all the people who were there. They new the situation and did nothing. Not only did they do nothing. Most of the time they were actively hindering the rescue whether they knew it or not.
Now I'm no physicist but I wonder if the weight of all those people on the ground above could've contributed to the cave ins along with the melting snow.
@eyanscot Today's journalists wouldn't have helped on the grounds that it would compromise their objectivity. Also they would be too fat to fit through the squeeze.
Amazing story! Unrelated, but I was wondering (with acknowledgment that it is currently an ongoing issue) when the history of the fall of Twitter is gonna be created.
For the first half of the video I was so sure he would survive that I was thinking about whether or not he would be crazy enough to go back and keep expanding the cave afterwards. I was really hoping the crowd's stupidity would just be a cringey sidenote but alas.
Honestly, I won't ever understand people's need to just stand around and watch during emergencies. Either do something productive or go away 🤦♀️
This was an incredibly well made video. I would have paid to see this and I shall (the video not Floyd after the fact). You have given me years of entertainment. So thank you. Also RIP Floyd.
C Porter2022-10-02 06:21:29 (edited 2022-10-04 18:55:45 )
You can correct that "was" to "is". Case in point this video that literally disrespects him more, not only by getting key details completely wrong, but also plays up his death as a joke anyways and makes him out to be a fool.
EDIT: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context, as to do tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
EDIT 2: Regardless, Here are just SOME of the many things he got horribly wrong. All listed here are oversimplified and will be expanded on in the video. Sourced by Brucker/Murray in their book Trapped; two people who spent half a decade on Floyd Collins' story to figure this out long before the Internet even.
1. Sand Cave is an entirely different, smaller, and far away cave from Floyd's main cave, Crystal Cave, discovered in 1917 (also said as "Great Crystal Cave" and "Floyd Collins Crystal Cave" post death. 1:04:20 has a sign for it which IH doesn't address at all and instead implies that this was a renaming of Sand Cave. This cave system was massive, and beautiful. But it had little success apart from archeologically, due to the "Cave Wars". It was his life and joy, which unfortunately he had to put on the market to sell in 1924. Floyd's whole reason to find Sand Cave, which wasn't on his property at all but on the property of Bee Doyle who he had a 50/50 proft partnership with to dig out Sand Cave, hopefully to find a closer entrance to Mammoth Cave itself to work with. (he had a theory that all the caves connected).
2. IH's description of Floyd's origin not only doesn't mention any of this deliberately states that this was All Sand Cave, but doesn't get even the topography of Sand Cave correct. The Chute, Turnaround Room, Squeeze, etc are out of order. Floyd wasn't trapped flat on the ground like an L actually at a 45 degree angle. His rescue attempts are vastly over simplified as "everyone lost their nerve and abandoned the food & supplies", when dozens legitimately tried and actually helped, just not able to reach Floyd. Including Marshall Collins who did a lot in this, but isn't even mentioned at all.
3. Homer wasn't in Louisville when he heard about Floyd, but at a Gas Station roughly 30 minutes away from Sand Cave, and it didn't take 10 hours for him to get there at all but 30 min. idk where tf he got that idea from, likely made it up, same for the following: Skeets MIller had no knowledge of Floyd himself when he was sent from Louisville to Sand Cave, only that there was conflicting reports, and he was originally to be sent with a rescue team.
Again, this is oversimplified, but still said correctly. Even with this, it's many paragraphs in lengh as you can see, which is why I'm making this into a video format. I cant just say "no it's actually this" in one sentence without leaving out why it's important.
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a child 2022-10-02 06:42:48 (edited 2022-10-02 06:42:57 )
@C Porter blud who invited you. Before this video I didn’t even know the guy existed. It’s just really good story telling.
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C Porter2022-10-02 06:54:22 (edited 2022-10-04 08:58:49 )
@FlipFlopGod It isn't fucking good storytelling though. The storytelling is told by essentially making up a new story. Imagine if someone told a video about the Titanic but had it sink in 1 piece and wasn't by an iceberg but a Torpedo. That's what he's doing here, but because Floyd Collins isn't as known as the RMS Titanic, it really feels he thinks he can get away with it, or he really is just does a lazy as fuck job researching.
@a child check my other comments across this video and other Floyd Collins videos. Right now I'm working on making my own response video to this mess here.
@C Porter you are mad for no reason. I hope they remember you, because after you pass away. Nobody will.
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C Porter2022-10-02 07:11:15 (edited 2022-10-02 07:11:46 )
@FlipFlopGod You and those who say "If you don't like it, don't watch it" and "who cares?!" have always shown the most weakest arguments ever. Think of an actual response that doesn't have lol, lmao, smh, or waa waa in it. Or is that too much work for you?
What I kind of find fucked up is how close they were to Collins original goal of the beautiful cave formations he was digging to when the rescuers were digging the big ass hole as their final resort. Might have been something cool to find it and open it up, maybe entomb him there or keep it open some how. Maybe not what do I know.
@C Porter I think this was an amazing experience of a video regardless if it was true, but if it's really that inaccurate then I understand your frustration. And the truth should be known alongside. However still we wouldn't have this masterpiece which has affected me and I'm sure at least some others, if he didn't tell the way it did. Still I agree with you that the accurate version and truth should be known as well. Profoundness and truth should both be known and not confused with each other. That's fundamentally where almost all the problems from people in the world come from I think. But anyways I'm curious to see actually how inaccurate it was and what difference if any that it makes. So I'll be waiting for that video. On your channel that ur commenting with right? Congratulations u gave me the final push to write this more longer thought out comment by saying that people had no good arguments. Which makes no sense literally in this context cuz no one's arguing anything but regardless I hope u get the idea, u kinda inspired me to write this so yeah thanks ig. And get going with that video, I hope I see it bcuz I rarely see my notifs cuz I have too many and I might forget by the time I get to it. So yeah. Cheers. Even tho u were kinda pretty rude in these comments. And I'm not from uk. But anyways have a good one and try to be more open minded lol but that doesn't mean losing your skepticism ofcourse, if u can actually tell it apart from denial and contrarianism
@Mihail Milev I'm glad you realize that. Yes, it will be on this channel. Check your youtube account settings for the notifications problem, I had that months back for comments myself, but going through them fixed it. You are right, I am rude in these comments, but I'm at my wits end with these people who are like "who cares?!" and "it's JuST a vIDeO" and other idiocy like that. We as historians have a responsibility to tell things correctly, not however we want.
If no one wanted the truth about these things, then there wouldn't be Titanic documentaries, and only the 1997 fictional James Cameron movie which was a huge box office success and impacted many people, believing everything as fact. I would be much more fine with this video if he would have put a disclaimer in the beginning addressing how it's not entirely accurate, but he chose not to.
@C Porter Everyone this guy is just baiting for comments, ignore this moron and just enjoy the video instead of feeding him the drama he wants, His only objective here is to rattle people up.
@C Porter I agree that IF there are blatant errors or misrepresentations that is important to address. I'm not sure why this has generated quite so much toxicity because that seems like a given for what is effectively a documentary. I don't know if that is really a fair statement as this isn't really claiming to be one, though. The jokes and comedic value are artistic liberty in storytelling, certainly, but you are right that they are making fun of or at the very least light of the situation. While I personally enjoyed it, it doesn't change that. The quips aside, the events recounted should be true representations of what happened. I, at least, would enjoy somebody dissecting this video. It is interesting to see anther's take on historic events although truth be told most of the ones I'm familiar with are of much older history where proof is more debatable or open to interpretation.
@Zack Voltran2 I'm making a response video that will do just that, as we speak. I've seen IH's videos for years, but this one has made me severely question the authenticity of what he puts out. Hopefully you all will see it too. Check down the comment line, and that of other replies here, and you'll see more on this.
@lime light so you're saying I have to be related to Floyd Collins to care about false information spread and disrespect shown? Do you have to be related to JFK to call someone out on their conspiracy theories that he was killed by the Dallas Mafia?
@C Porter "this video makes me question the authenticity of what he puts out"? Just to clarify, you do realise he's not an actual historian, right? Like, he's not doing this for history or being true to the facts.
He's a YouTube entertainer, nothing more, nothing less. He makes videos to entertain people, not to teach them or give them any authentic insights.
If someone wants to learn about this event or person, they will go read about him through literature or online, they will not watch comedic videos such as this, obviously
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Yeah no shit he aint a historian, but people still beleive what he's saying though just because it's a huge production, as you clearly do. Stop pretending like that he gets a free pass on anything just because he's another content creator.
@C Porter A reply like this makes me consider that you could just be a troll, but on the off chance you are serious; nobody, not one single person that has ever watched or will watch his videos takes anything he says as a fact. Every single person has and always will see these videos purely as comedic stories.
Well, every person, bar you of course, who for some ungodly reason seems to believe he's actually doing this with serious intent
@C Porter I'll gladly watch your documentary in full, if you can point out just two specific details that he got wrong, and explain what the truth is, in a comment replying to this one. Because right now you've just been screaming "He GoT iT WrOnG!" while providing no ulterior narratives to believe or disbelieve over his.
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Setting aside how you couldn't possibly speak for 3.5 Million people (and counting) whose viewed this, deeply consider this question for a moment, and actually think about it before you respond:
Why would he make his videos, especially one over an hour long with full visuals, newspaper clippings, quotes, and more if he didn't want them to seem believable and as fact?
Calling me a troll at this point tells me that you're just grasping at straws, just like those who say "who cares?" or "if you don't like it, don't watch it", or other non-arguments like these that are pure cancer since you can say that about literally anything.
@C Porter I'll entertain you since I'm just passing time atm. He makes videos so people can enjoy them and have a chuckle over his jokes and stories, such as his Rainfurrest video, to name just one example. Also he does have subscribers that will naturally want to see continuous content.
Also, just to note, I can't speak for anybody in this world, obviously; and neither can you
@C Porter Yeah ok! Granted that this was probably largely meant to seem as educational as it was entertaining, and therefore, it would be irresponsible for IH to take creative liberties with the story.
... But what, specifically, was false about the video though
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Internet Historian writes his material as comedic recounts of historical events. So yes. I have mostly believed him (where it wasn't a blatant joke) To say that no one takes what he says as fact is intellectually dishonest. Again he presents these videos as historical documentation told in a comedic fashion. He does NOT present these videos as intentionally incorrectly re-tellings for humor. Nor does he provide disclaimers.
If this was fiction top to bottom you might have a leg to stand on.
@Odin whoknowstoomuch You know, I have no idea what the wrongs are in this video but your point of view is flawed. This video is an hour and ten minutes long. He gets serious and comedic at times, but it is an attempt to explain history non the less. Many people who don't know anything about this occasion being told in the video, including me, will take these videos as facts. It doesn't matter that they're comedic, because the purpose of these is still informing people of an event that happened. The immediate response to "nobody takes these seriously and as a fact" would be "The Cost of Concordia" video. It has moments of telling an actual fact without an ounce of comedy in it, because it is, at last, a tragedy. Many people only heard about it through that video, and thus, took it as a fact after watching the video because many people, which btw, I think you missed this part, don't have the patience or interest in making their own research after a light hearted but 40 minute retelling of a piece of history. So, many people do in fact, take it as a fact.
@Rorax Well, according to C Porter, his historic recounts are entirely wrong.
You can certainly watch his videos and hear the story how he sets it out, but if you want to seriously study the event or person, it's best to just look elsewhere.
Like I said, his videos aren't meant to be a factual documentary and a study into the events and persons, it's just entertainment. Yes he still looks up how everything happened but you can't watch his videos and think "Well this guy is clearly 100% correct in everything he says and therefore I see no reason to use any other means of research than watching his videos"
@Buzlu Kofti facts are just something someone tells you is true based on what they studied. Yes he looks up all these events himself and goes into detail for his videos, but you can't look at it and believe "This is 100% true" until you just look elsewhere and realise that, actually there's a few different sides to the story and he's not always right, hence why sometimes he updates his information in new posts.
Let me put it like this, you watch the Concordia video, you believe what he says, you want to look up more about it, you realise that in some areas he was wrong with his information. Basically you don't stop at his videos and only ever believe them, because sometimes he could miss something or mess up somewhere, you do some information yourself and come to your own conclusions
@Erin Slabaugh It's the cruel reality haha. Nothing anybody says can be taken at heart, information will always be questionable and uncertain unless we see it with our own eyes
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Which, majority of the people who watch these videos don't do since, y'know, lack of interest. Doesn't change the fact that many people believe whatever is shown and told to be the absolute truth in the video. Internet Historian takes up months of his time researching, so it isn't an unorthodox thing to think that he could find these facts to actually be wrong while he is collecting evidence. If it's so easy to debunk some dubious facts he's shown in the video, for example, finding a few more videos that clash with this one (which is what you said could be done to understand if this video is factual or not), then it's not the weirdest thing to think that he could find the actual truth and handle it better while preparing an hour-long video.
@C Porter People are going to throw a fit either way if you remain in discussion in these comments. At this point, I recommend taking your time to write your response video and turning off notifications until then. I intend to watch your response video when it releases.
@Buzlu Kofti you'll have to execuse me if my reply sounds weird and off subject, I'm getting a little lost with all these comments haha. Anyway, you're precisely right, to the interested like C Porter, this may come out as completely wrong and perhaps possibly insulting but their study and interpretation of the story may also be wrong, until we know exactly what happened, as if we were there, nothing anyone says can be taken as the hard truth, no matter how much effort they put into it
@Eccomi i was just confused on what they meant by the misinformation in the video and wanted them to elaborate on that. Otherwise i dont really care for whatever is going on here
@C Porter You can not expect people to read your other comments or watch a hypothetical future video of yours to prove a point, lmao. That's a bit much to ask of others while providing no argument for your claims in these comments. If you have something to say, do it here, nobody's got time to look in other places.
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Jesus you are absolutely dense and argue like a schizo. You lean on such broad and trash points in your argument. C Porter is highly more believable than you and in fact how would you get trolling from his comment when you don't even know what trolling is. Ffs mate the shi you said is so incompetent it would be easy to think you're trolling.
@C Porter why don't you give an example of something incorrect about this version of the story, instead of getting pissed off about it and getting upset when other people don't believe you... one good example of something that is incorrect about this story as it is told here. There are obviously people here who want to know if the video is inaccurate.
@C Porter I don't think anyone comes here for actual history and I'm sure that no one here cares about Floyd on a personal level enough to get offended about it. imo u seem like the guy who spends 90% of their free time on twitter looking for something to pretend to care about and get mad over when it means absolutely nothing to any person who is grounded in reality. Just my take
@C Porter Bro you could literally just make bullet point examples of what inaccuracies you're talking about. Instead you're trying to plug your own channel and video. Not a good look. And if you needed to repeat them over the course of this entire comment section you could copy and past said points. Are you so much of a historian that you forgot what modern tech is capable of?
@Odin whoknowstoomuch "I obviously can't speak for everybody". He says, after speaking for "every person who has watched this video". Which is in the millions now. lmao
What happened after he died is even more outrageous than him getting stuck in the cave. People are fucked. Crazy how Floyd's dream of making the cave an attraction came true, just not his dead body being the attraction.
@C Porter i am hoping this is an "This performance of Rush E is kinda mediocre" and you come up with a fantastic documentary that blows this one out of the water. i recommend you stop answering his fans and just work on your response, i am anxiously waiting for it. arguing with fans is fruitless and will only hinder your own credibility and waste your time and patience.
@C Porter "The IH is wrong, he's a horrible liar, no I won't tell you what he got wrong, look for my comments in other videos or wait till I finish my own video" Yeah okay buddy.
@Odin whoknowstoomuch You're absolutely correct. Just to let you know, the statement "Every single person has and always will see these videos as purely comedic stories" is just wrong, clean slate. Cheers!
@C Porter As other comments have pointed out, you still haven't made even a single point towards the so called "inaccuracies" of the video. It's pointless and hypocritical to make fun of people for believing a content creator at face value when you expect them to do the same for your own content. But more importantly, your original statement, even if we skip over the "key details wrong" part, is self-serving, inaccurate, and contemptible. People are getting hung up on your yet-to-be-seen evidence, but the real messed-up thing here is your interpretation of this video as "disrespectful" and "playing up his death as a joke". History is and always has been a narrative shaped by both facts and perspectives. There's no such thing as a 100% accurate representation of history, even in the current age the timing and way things are filmed can lead to misinterpretations of the events that occur, much less before that all existed and all we can rely on is newspapers, personal accounts, and word of mouth. IH clearly used several sources in this video, he even lists them as he talks about the information derived. How is this video in any way disrespectful? Yes, the events of the story are dramatized, and there is some comedy, but how is that inherently disrespectful? The reason why many people in the comments are balking at the actions of the humans during the series of events surrounding Floyd's death, is not because of the publicity of it, but rather the incentivized greed and disrespect to the man himself. If anything, the publicity and journalism of the event is the hero of the story, as it is directly responsible for allowing Floyd's body to be recovered at all, and for a reasonable rescue attempt to be made. It is the people who claimed that it was a hoax and fake that are really messed up, and ironically you happen to be quite similar to one of those people. IH, while perhaps dramatizing the events of the story (and he clearly indicates the parts that he dramatizes so it's not even like he's being deceptive), paints an accurate and respectful picture of all the heroes involved in the story, and the somberness surrounding the event. You, on the other hand, are the one being sensationalist and drying to rile people's emotions up without and basis of evidence or respecting IH or his viewers at all.
At this point, I doubt you are going to reply to this or any of the previous comments the only comments you are replying to are the one's who are making dumb points or slanders that are easy to rebut. There are plenty of reasonable people who have asked for evidence and admonished you for your dismissive and derogative tone towards all the obviously insane work that went into making this video, and you have basically ignored most of it.
Even if IH got a few facts wrong, even if you had the evidence to point out some misrepresentation in his narrative (which you don't, so far), your approach towards this matter is unacceptable and far more disrespectful to the situation than IH missing a few facts would be (which is still theoretical and if we're honest, pretty unlikely). I'd rather believe someone who clearly puts in the time and effort to make a video like this than someone who rudely complains without making any real effort to back up his claims.
@Gregory Pan See this is what yours, and everybody elses problem is: you aren't even trying to listen! You automatically make me out to be just some hypocritical hater who dislikes the videos purely for the jokes made and got a tiny detail wrong else. This isn't the only comment section I'm responding to people in, or even the only video. But in this thread I've said multiple times now I'm working on a video as we speak that is going to list these inaccuracies, because there are too many to mention here. I even state it in a comment I make saying that I'm not going to be commenting much at all anymore because I'M the one whos actually taking the effort to show this as accurately as possible, unlike him, hell YOU even could look into Floyd Collins yourself from the singular source he lists and you will several of the things that I'm going to mention, but no you'd rather just vilify me in your own hypocrisy and just blindly beleive that I'm talking about a couple of tiny facts, when in reality these are everything down to Floyd's motives, the true reasons of his entrapment, Skeets Miller's true reasoning for being there, Floyd's ACTUAL death and disturbances which also falsely told here, and, above all else, Floyd's Legacy, which Internet Historian doesn't even try to say anything about.
I already listed one gigantic plothole and outright bastardization that IH completely ignored and lied about in previous comments, why don't you look at that one? You folks vehemently defend his work by talking about how long it takes to make a video such as this, as if that's an excuse that makes him innocent, yet can't even be bothered to have a full week's patience for me, the one making the response video that one of you---if you actually cared about Floyd or justice for him at all--should already be doing.
"The reason why many people in the comments are balking at the actions of the humans during the series of events surrounding Floyd's death, is not because of the publicity of it, but rather the incentivized greed and disrespect to the man himself." How can you actually unironically say this when he's doing the exact same thing? IH is giving just as much disrespect in his overdramatization and inexcusable falsehoods (on the best of days) if not pure lies in it for his gain, not ours. The shear irony of it too is, if he would have left everything intact, the story would be twice as impactful and harrowing, and he wouldn't even have to add 10 more minutes onto the OG runtime. Not to mention all the lack of true context makes Floyd out to be an idiot whether intentionally or unintentionally, based on how many replies try to actually justify all this inaccuracy because "he chose to climb into a cave".
"It is the people who claimed that it was a hoax and fake that are really messed up, and ironically you happen to be quite similar to one of those people." I have in no way, shape or form, misconstrued or lied about anything I've said, and the fact that you people keep saying I am shows ever so fucking clearly that you wont even look into it for yourself and just want to make me out to be the bad guy for calling out someone whos widely respected, and because i'm not immediately following up with a video hastily put together that could likely do more damage than not.
"But more importantly, your original statement, even if we skip over the "key details wrong" part, is self-serving, inaccurate, and contemptible." Yeah yet you cant actually back that up without trying to condemn me for realizing that Humor over History is shitty, and boiling down my whole argument to being a couple tiny pieces of info that you think don't affect anything. Again, an assumption you make without even hearing them. By the way, I'm not apposed to Humor and History together, but History always needs to take the forefront if you're going to do something designed to be educational such as this. The Dollop's (a comedy-history podcast) episode on Floyd of the same runtime does a WAY better job than IH does here, in just about the same run time.
Now if you're done with your self-righteous rant about how I'm the asshole for even trying in the first place and justifiably outraged at him, you can either leave the conversation, or wait for the video like everyone else will. I honestly don't give a fuck if it gets 6 views or 600 views. I don't do this shit for fame or fortune; someone needs to set the record straight, and it honestly appears that i'm the only one trying. Likely because most other people who care don't watch youtube that much or beleive it's hopeless against someone as big as Internet Historian.
@Woad Blue yeah exactly that too. I forgot abt that, but in the very beginning I was like, why would you squeeze yourself in there at that point just dig it out from the top or drill/mine it out from the side of the turnaround room
@C Porter ok well idk abt that point it's kinda debatable. If u are clear about your intentions and the purpose of your media then I think u could put out whatever you want (as long as it's safe and respectful of people's privacy, ect). As long as you're clear about what it's supposed to be. On the other hand there is basically what you're referring to when people pretend to be ironic or jokesters but knowing full well almost everyone watching is actually believing unironically. And it's not like on the audience side problem, but it's specifically cultivated to get that effect. But I'm more thinking of like political pundits and the like. I don't Inrernet Historian is doing that.
@Erin Slabaugh There will be plenty more than two. I haven't counted everything specifically, but I estimate theres at least 15 major things he got entirely wrong, but close to 30 still relevant points will be made.
@Gregory Pan I agree mostly with everything you said except that sometimes, unfortunately, the people who mean the best and put in the most effort and love, can be the wrong ones. While the annoying lazy ones are right. Such is, in a way, the social political situation in America and broader internet rn for example.
@C Porter u know the way I know this is also because it's practically how many ideologies and religion in general works. Something is so emotionally moving and profound and gives you a sense of identity and purpose and strength in your life and seems to perfectly explain everything around you in a way that inspires you and helps you to become a better person, that they assume it must be right or can't bring themselves to think that it can still be absolutely completely wrong.
@roger Fine, quickly yes. There will be expansion upon everything mentioned here in the video, and backed up by actual sources instead of next to nothing that IH lists. But I haven't done so this far because it's usually hopeless and as you can see in other comment sections people are just saying "who cares" regardless.
1. Floyd Collins got into the cave wars because, apart from being a massively respected, expert caver in the area whose accomplishments before 1925 are still being felt today in KY (along with his whole family being deeply involved in the caving industry) through his 1917 discovery of Crystal Cave ("Great Crystal Cave", "Floyd Collins Crystal Cave", other names) which is absolutely massive in scale, and exploration & operation became his pride and joy, which for various reasons he was basically forced to part from in 1924 to sell it.
2. Sand Cave, which was never named by him, was owned by farmer Bee Doyle on HIS farm property, not the Collins' family at all. Floyd and Bee had an agreement that any profits from a cave he found on there would be split 50/50 with him in late 1924-early '25. His reason for finding a new cave was to get a CLOSER entrance to Mammoth Cave itself so he could get ahead of the competition geographically.
3. The entire reason that "Skeets" Miller got to Floyd that IH tells is entirely false beyond all bounds, and reads as shittily as the yellow journalism about Skeets printed around Feb 17th would invent, or the fictional 1951 movie based on Floyd called "Ace In The Hole". The Courier-Journal had heard some buzz about Floyd, but this is Cave War territories, so was skeptical at the start, but once they realized all the bad press starting around it (not even 4 days in yet), they sent Miller to check it out, wanting to send a team to help out too, but was denied one. He had also caved once before, and also undressed appropriately for a cave.
4. IH makes it all about his death, yet fails to even do a correct job there. Saying that Dr. Harry Thomas bought Sand Cave, and put his body back in the cave but with a glass coffin. This was obviously in actuality Crystal Cave, and notice how IH puts a picture of advertising for Floyd Collins Crystal Cave in his video at 1:04:20 . That clause mentioned? Lee never told Homer about it. And Thomas framed it as "Floyd would have wanted to be burred in his beloved cave" as a sign of respect.
I haven't even talked about other things such as how the Yellow Journalism was a problem from the start and never ended, or how Floyd's contributions to caving as a whole BASICALLY lead to the creation Mammoth Cave National Park, and the nature of caving as a whole, the expiditions back to Sand Cave in the 70s, the nationally famous hit song about him, or all the other countless crucially significant things just didn't mention which underplay greatly how important he and his legacy is.
@Mihail Milev And in those novels and movies, they have tell you their fictional, legally in many cases too. IH does not say this anywhere, and presents everything as cold hard fact, when it clearly isn't to anyone who looks into this stuff at all.
@C Porter right. Well, I don't think he presents this as neccesarily accurate, but definitely doesn't explicitly state it as inaccurate either. Though uk ut would ruin part of the immersion. Maybe after the intro or something. But the ethics of temporary deception as an art/experience technique is a very interesting conversation I think to be had indeed
@C Porter I'm intrested to see it tho tbh I might suggest u not be as rude and personally aggressive towards IH himself, because although it might get u attention at the start it might ruin it in the long run. If u go with the more nice but still outstanding route u might actually have people want to listen and if u happen to have high production quality, maybe even a response from IH. If u are civil enough and not being to rude and calling people names and excessively speculating about their intentions, ect....
@Mihail Milev in many cases yes it can be interesting, but we aren't talking about those cases. We are talking about entire deception which he does here. At no point anywhere does he try to make it known that something he says as fact isn't true. Not in the video, not in comments, not in the description either. Believe it or not, but if this was for some other more well-known tragedy or incident, or even topic that he fucks up this badly on, he would have been ripped to shreds by probably several other established uploaders in their community. But Floyd is a much more obscure subject, and in the four years that I've been looking, I've never found any community for him anywhere, just the odd person or two that you can rarely discuss with in comments about.
@C Porter bro. U have such a problem with Internet Historian and you listen to EmpLemon........ ?
Boi if u didn't know I've got some catastrophic news for you...........
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C Porter2022-10-04 03:19:11 (edited 2022-10-04 03:19:31 )
@Mihail Milev honestly a lot of this that you're seeing right now is me venting more at other people who aren't even trying to understand and rather just want to view me as a hater, as well as because IH isn't even the first to do something like this, but in a long line of people disrespecting the man in the way they tell his story. IH , the person that I've grown to respect over the years for accuracy and storytelling (which I've now started to severely question after seeing this), is undoubtedly the most influential person to talk about it online to date, and has already caused the most damage.
@Maurice Steel Deal, my real weakness is trying to get to people who sometimes will never be convinced even with all the evidence and logic in the world.
@Down Above Or y'know you could like just look into it for yourself if you find yourself too impatient to wait a little bit for a video to come out? Try Roger Brucker & Robert Murray with their exhaustive research into the event which includes actual interviews with the people who were there and even their own expeditions into Sand Cave again, which is free for anyone of you to look at on Internet Archive. Oh wait! You could also look into the ONLY source that IH mentions; Alan E. Hunter's 3 part column in the Weekly View of Indianapolis, Indiana which also directly conflicts with IH's narrative? No? too afraid to look into it for yourself without someone spoon-feeding you every bite? Then no one can help you Buddy.
@C Porter I did not get a vibe of him genuinely insulting Floyd during this video if I'm honest, he seems empathetic and while yes, their is some off-beat humor, the tragedy of things still is important to the video.
@C Porter Ohhh my god how could you possibly miss my point this hard.
I was asking you to reply HERE, IN THIS COMMENT CHAIN about two errors. Not in the video. HERE.
Because the fact that you haven't pointed out anything specifically and have rather just announced that he's wrong doesn't inspire confidence that your documentary will be any good.
@Erin SlabaughI'm doing this same stuff in several other top comments in threads just like this, I'll copy and past it here, but seriously if you just looked for yourself, you'd of found it by now, like others have. I don't have every waking moment to fucking talk to everyone about this, rather spending that time making my video instead. But what use will it do though, because nearly everyone automatically brushes these absolutely major things wrong as somehow unimportant because of their own lack of understanding of how history works, and I'm sure you will too. Stand by.
@C Porter But I haven't found you talking about specifics anywhere else either! I'm not saying I refuse to accept that he's probably screwed some things up! I think it's more than likely!
I just think it's incredibly irritating that you want to look down your nose at everyone for automatically taking a youtuber at his word and not backing up his claims, and then turn around and judge us for not automatically taking you at your word while you refuse to back up your claims.
I'm not asking for essay here dude, I'm asking for literally just one bullet point. You can copy-paste it from another of those comments you've supposedly made, I won't mind.
... But right now you've spent more time in the comments bitching that you don't have time to explain everything, than you have spent even attempting to explain anything.
@Mihail Milev So many comments of yours at once, because the way youtube decides to display and probably does the same on your POV for mine. But I mean changing your mind about Intenet Historian not wanting to misrepresent what's stated.
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C Porter2022-10-04 10:00:36 (edited 2022-10-04 19:01:59 )
@Erin Slabaugh Alright, fair enough on that last one. Also for the other comments, even I can't find it now. But others have. Yeah call me an asshole on that one then. I'm just at my wits end with all this stuff, especially with all the "who cares" and "it's one small thing, stop crying about it" and related comments in mass that's caused me to be in such an uproar, since I have to deal with that cancer all the damned time, and I'm used to being with groups that entirely reject what I'm saying even when I do show my damning proof. Some point later I will edit these points into one of my first comments in this thread, at the top.
Everything listed here will be vastly expanded upon in more detail in my video response, and has the least detail accurately possible here. But everything here is backed by official sources by authors Roger Brucker & Robert Murray who did exhaustive studies and expeditions in the 70s, and as well as more contemporary sources.
1. Sand Cave is an entirely different, smaller, and far away cave from Floyd's main cave, Crystal Cave, discovered in 1917 (also said as "Great Crystal Cave" and "Floyd Collins Crystal Cave" post death. 1:04:20 has a sign for it which IH doesn't address at all and instead implies that this was a renaming of Sand Cave. This cave system was massive, and beautiful. But it had little success apart from archeologically, due to the "Cave Wars". It was his life and joy, which unfortunately he had to put on the market to sell in 1924. Floyd's whole reason to find Sand Cave, which wasn't on his property at all but on the property of Bee Doyle who he had a 50/50 proft partnership with to dig out Sand Cave, hopefully to find a closer entrance to Mammoth Cave itself to work with. (he had a theory that all the caves connected).
2. IH's description of Floyd's origin not only doesn't mention any of this deliberately states that this was All Sand Cave, but doesn't get even the topography of Sand Cave correct. The Chute, Turnaround Room, Squeeze, etc are very out of order. Floyd wasn't trapped flat on the ground like an L actually at a 45 degree angle. His rescue attempts are vastly over simplified as "everyone lost their nerve and abandoned the food & supplies", when dozens legitimately tried and actually helped, just not able to reach Floyd. Including Marshall Collins who did a lot in this, but isn't even mentioned at all.
3. Homer wasn't in Louisville when he heard about Floyd, but at a Gas Station roughly 30 minutes away from Sand Cave, and it didn't take 10 hours for him to get there at all but 30 min. idk where tf he got that idea from, likely made it up, same for the following: Skeets MIller had no knowledge of Floyd himself when he was sent from Louisville to Sand Cave, only that there was conflicting reports, and he was originally to be sent with a rescue team.
4. Floyd was NEVER reburied in Sand Cave, the glass coffin was in Crystal Cave, which again, IH completely ignores it's existence and pretends like Sand Cave is the only one. Not to mention how he excludes any of Floyd's legacy and actual achievements that were proven after the fact in the 40s - Present, such as basically being the reason that Mammoth Cave National Park exists today, and in the complete state it's in among tons of others.
If I don't explain it like this, then many will--as they have already done--acted like none of this actually matters and I'm just bitching about nothing but tiny things.
@C Porter Thanks for the reply! To me, it still seems like IH has done a good bit of research―especially in the way he lays out the timeline of events. Before this I'd only known the story from the off-Broadway musical (which probably takes even more artistic liberty than IH did in this video). Have you seen, or read/listened to that one? I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts.
Regardless, you're right that Floyd's story is often used for entertainment purposes in our lifetime. Perhaps the further a tragedy slips into history, the less we feel its emotional weight.
I can tell you're passionate about this subject, and have done more research (for a significantly longer time) than IH did. I will subscribe to your channel because I'm interested to see what else you have to say. I do hope you'll take a less combative stance in your response... A lot of people―myself included―were clearly intrigued by this video and want to learn more, particularly in a more realistic/informative context. If you want to spread awareness of Floyd's true story, this might be the best opportunity you've got... It'd be a shame to alienate Internet Historian (and his many many fans) just because you take issue with the style of his work.
@roger Honestly The musical from what I've seen is the most accurate fictional retelling of events to date just from the soundtrack, though the bits and scraps of modern productions I've seen left more to be desired sometimes. I'm not sure if I'd go see the musical if it were being shown in my area because of this. They did a superb job not just with how they get the atmosphere right for each scene, and went above and beyond with character creation, putting in the little details such as Nellie Collins's struggles with mental illness and having to be at an Asylum for months prior, getting correct how Skeets had one of the finest voices of everyone else there (he wanted to go into operatics later in life), the discovery of Crystal Cave, how Homer kept Floyd's spirit up/past the time with him in Sand Cave with riddles while they worked, and the list goes on. Some of the lines are kind of cringe like "Scoop the poop" said by the news reporters in Is That Remarkable? or "Aint not Sunday school Mama's Boy" by Floyd in How Glory Goes, but they still did a remarkable job keeping the characters in character with the actual people they portrayed. Not making out Miller to be some monopolistic capitalist reporter like IH does for instance.
I havent seen the apparent sole documentary by Crisp and Hall and I'd like to someday, but it's run time is about an hour's length, and the clips I've seen do a good job with the reeinactments, and it's clear that they base their work--at least in sections--off of Roger Brucker & Robert Murray's work, which has been hailed for a long time as the definiteve source for the Floyd Collins story, and it addresses all the misconceptions from years beforehand. For a large, correct retelling of events, the best chance for doing so in this day in age wouldn't be a movie, but a several part TV Limited Series, such as how they did with Stephen King's 11.22.63 some years back.
@Lord J'zargo My "authority" doesn't really exist, but it's still better than IH's, since I've done the research over years time, many times going over my copy of Roger Brucker & Robert Murray, who are cavers and historians themselves, did an exhaustive research book, as well as reading other sources for their perspective and details. Revisit my OG comment again.
@Bobblehob Whenever I'd try to tell people about some of these, they'd automatically brush it off as "not important. the videos not supposed to be 100% accurate, get off the minor details" and shit to that extent which i'm getting mad at. Regardless tho, revisit my OG comment.
@Milki_W6ze Well you don't strike me as one who cares much at all about History then, and why it should be told correctly rather than adding whatever fake details you want into it. Regardless tho, I could've handled some of the replies better. Revisit my OG Comment.
@C Porter You're not wrong to call out inaccurate information to correct others, but your hostility isn't helping your case, as seen with how others reacted to your subsequent replies.
@Gregory Pan 2 weeks later, still thinking about how you have the audacity to compare me to the yellow journalists like the one who literally made this video, and the ones that contributed to his death. But hey now you can see that I'm right, cause the videos' out now.
@Erin Slabaugh Sorry if I'm replying to you twice, so may people in here wanna be notified this way, instead of more convinient ways. The video is out now.
@FlipFlopGod lol it is my own style. It's called accuracy and truth. Not that you were ever interested in either of those things to begin with. Granted, it IH's video hadn't come out and I was doing it on my own, I would've made it a lot more cinematic.. and also more importantly, gotten the story right instead of reinventing it like he did here.
@C Porter Odd to be coming back here after so long, I kind of forgot what happened. Just to mention, I didn't ask to be notified or anything.
Anyway, I skimmed through your video, or at least the first quarter of it. What I find interesting is that you most likely wouldn't have ever made this video if it wasn't for Internet Historian releasing his, and the people in the comments that are thanking you wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't for this debacle.
What I'm saying is, you didn't make a video 'purely' for historical purposes, you made one to discredit a certain YouTuber which, interestingly, you spent a whole seven minutes or so on. Was that needed?
Was any mention to the previous video or IH needed at all, couldn't you have simply made a video on the cave and the people involved purely on it's own?
I'm not going to pretend this would have worked, but a simple pulley before the mans head, would have allowed the men pulling the rope to apply as much force as they wanted, while redirecting the rope towards the far wall, instead of against the rock and gravel that he was being pulled up against. Would this have helped? Who can say. But it would probably have been a little more effective than just yanking him up.
Someone must have thought of that at some point, but then again they did lament about not implementing basics like the radio or tarpaulin for Floyd's comfort. The challenge would have been setting it up securely, which is probably what made them disregard the idea if they did think of it. The main challenge after that would have been the rock pinning his leg.
That moment of Floyd making a desperate attempt to keep someone, anyone with him before the cave-in just made me feel a range of emotions- I just can't. This is all basically just virtual paper dolls moving around and yet the execution of this video is so good
The sad part is, as much as I COMPLETELY understand his decision to retreat out of the cave, if that man did stay with him - he MIGHT have been able to keep Floyd alive until rescue. I know it was exposure that got him, and not much could've been done about it once the bulb went out, but perhaps giving him the coffee nearby and keeping his morale up...I dunno. Maybe he would've perished regardless, but the hopelessness likely contributed to Floyd giving up.
@Nabzarella Dare They would have had to share a tin of coffee for days and days in complete darkness, no food whatsoever, and Floyd still freezing to death. I honestly think he would not have survived either way. Also, hard to keep the guys morale up when he basically trapped you in a stone coffin.
@Santiago You can survive without food for quite a while, more than a week - it's water/liquid you can't live long without. The man would've been okay with next to nothing, but Floyd couldn't even give himself the coffee nearby without another person. Perhaps the man could've also shared some of his body heat with Floyd to keep him warm enough, as the light bulb did for the longest time. It's just a theory for sure, maybe he would've perished still, but it's a haunting thought. A thought that probably also haunted the man who left Floyd in the cave.
Homer is a real one, jesus christ. Went where no other man dared without hesitation, and mustered the strength of more than 5 other men to relieve his brothers pain. Gerald and Miller too, its just insane the loyalty and dedication these guys had.
I'm just wondering how small and skinny you gotta be to be able to fit to even be physically possible to try. My head ain't that big but some dudes got a fat head. I'm short but doubt once my head gets in if there would be any way other then cutting my chest open and removing bones to fit. I might have 1 or 2 cm maybe at most.
Just came here to see how someone can make a video about some guy in a cave that takes more than 1 our, and maybe bookmark it to watch later because I could guess it's worth watching but boring. couldn't imagine first few seconds will be the start of watch the video till the very end what a piece of history to share made masterpiece with great production.
Yep, for once, if Floyd would have just downloaded and played World of Tanks, this wouldn't have happened. Thank god Plague is into drawing furries and not caves.
That final interaction with Floyd is what got me. He knew the cave was about to cave in and he was just scared. After being stuck there for so long he didn’t want to be trapped alone. Terrifying what he must have felt afterwards. Most people would go insane from being left alone in a white room for 24h I can’t even imagine what he felt not being able to move at all just him as his thoughts. I’d like to believe that Floyd knew that they where digging for him and that they hadn’t given up.
I can't even imagine how terrifying that must've been. Alone in a freezing dark hole with just a small light. You can't hear anyone and no one can hear you while you're slowly dying. I got shivers just by typing this. God bless that man's soul. I hope he found peace in the afterlife.
@KillerSpace2726 I would be concerned about food...he might have died anyway, 3 days with exposure and stuck in the cold might not have made a whole lot of difference even with someone else...I guess we can't know
I think Floyd's intent there wasn't that he wanted someone to be trapped with him so he wouldn't die alone, but rather he knew that if there was someone else stuck with him after the cave in, they may redouble their efforts to rescue them both. Rather than just write him alone off as a lost cause.
Me a minute into the video: “oh he is going to get out. Everything will be just fine.” Pause the video. Me after I see how much is left to watch: “Fuck!”
It always amazes me that no one is worried about a venomous snake biting then directly in the face as the climb in a cave, or a freakin wolverine mauls you
Dying alone might be terrifying but becoming the cause of someone else's death is more depressing. Especially if there's a prospect that you'll spend some time with their corpse
Dying alone might be terrifying but becoming the cause of someone else's death is more depressing. Especially if there's a prospect that you'll spend some time with their corpse
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. If you have a dumb and extremely dangerous life threatening hobby like this then you should expect this to happen to you. Guy literally was the surprised Pikachu face meme. XD
@Obi the BEEF Dude was doing the capitalist hustle: risk your health and accept risks in the vain hope that you will become rich... and instead have others profit off your misfortune.
@anto karman Nah. It's more depressing to die alone. Especially when there were so many people there who just didn't do anything and when you thought you were so close to getting out. At least if there's someone else there and you can help each other survive and potentially be rescued. Floyd survived almost a full week after all. They've done studies, back when those experiments were legal, that showed that dogs who couldn't reach the rim of a pool drowned faster than dogs that could. Like them Floyd likely just gave up once the hole was sealed and he finished crying. That might not have happened with someone else there.
@Katamari Roller indeed. When your options are farm where the soil is poor or try to get a few quarters from cave tourist, its probably a much better idea just to move. You get a lot more out of life that way.
@Zadamanim I doubt there'd be enough for two people. Plus, I don't doubt that part was entirely hopeful optimism, they were quite deep underground at that point so it wouldn't be surprising for there to be no water.
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hans mūeller2022-11-09 07:42:25 (edited 2022-11-09 07:46:04 )
If only it had been the 1st time and the last that brave Kentuckians had been trapped in the cold unstable underground as for more than a century spelunking and coal mining have entombed the unfortunate who, for fame or simply to feed a family, have died in the wet and constant 55° environment waiting in desperation for rescue.
wait now that you mention him, this video reminded me of his video on some national flesh pit park... combined, these two videos have heavily contributed to my fear of caves
I'm surprised nobody tried to open the turnaround more. It would take a while but surely a few more inches of clearance would incentivize more people to help.
I've been listening to the story in the background as I do other things around the house, and as IH keeps upping the ways that rescue teams go in to try and save Floyd, it creates the thought that all of this has to be happening over the course of weeks upon weeks worth of time. I mean, so much news being passed around in the 1920's about a random farming man in the middle of Kentucky being trapped in (as far as people would've likely assumed) unremarkable cave, becoming the entire talk of the country to the point where it's the third largest non-war headline between two World Wars and the President of the United States garners an interest in it? People want to crowd around to help out? The town gets inundated with tourists, flocking to see Floyd specifically, to the point where the population grows by more than 10 times its original count? The government actually gets involved to help this random farmer, saying to take however much money is necessary to get the people and equipment needed to get the job done? I have to remind myself to look at the elapsed time since Floyd's entrapment to remind myself that all of the aforementioned events, ALL of them, happened in *just* six days. And it took about one of them for anyone to even know that Floyd was trapped in the cave to begin with. It is just.... insane to me, that it could happen at this rate pre-internet, and it must've been so overwhelming for everyone involved. It's just amazing.
I have no idea how you managed to depict the caves so well but it looks genuinely terrifying to watch through. For moments, I felt like I was stuck in a cave. 441 hours is absurd and to think he survived most of that alive and somewhat conscious is horrifying.
This was unbelievably entertaining. As good as, if not better than, a movie. Especially if it was a movie on this topic which would undoubtedly be trash. It genuinely made my day, I started listening to it in the background, and 10 minutes in I'm totally invested emotionally, despite them looking like early years South Park characters, and having a good laugh.
@This isn't medicine eh, more specifically phobia against caves? I don't know what the word is. Claustrophobia is just tight spaces, which are semi-fine
This guy took the fuck around slider and moved it up to 15. This is an amazing insight into humans. How they solve problems. How they make them worse. Also.. I learned one thing. Kentucky don't fucking give up.
Stories like these are why I would never go cave exploring the way Floyd died is one of the worst ways ever
Starved dehydrated alone in the dark with no one to share his last words with and knowing he was so close to being rescued
Also the way to Floyd was actually horrific and I was just looking at it through my phone cant imagine the people who went in in absolute darkness multiple times
@Edana ni Emer I know about that one I thought this was another retailing of that but more detailed but this is the first time I heard about this one and wonder why it isnt more popular considering its as bad (I think being suspended upside down would be worse)
This is why I am never entering a cave for any amount of money I am not taking that chance no matter how low it is
The narration stated that Floyd was aware of the impending cave in. I can't imagine the desperation someone must experience in order to try and trap a rescuer inside with them.
That and Floyd presumably passing with his light bulb flickering out made me emotional, as if the return of the cave's darkness is what finally took him.
@Zuleph Izus somewhat ironically, if he had have managed to lure the other rescuer in with him before the collapse, there would’ve been a much higher chance he’d survive. Another person in there who would have food and water, to talk to and keep pushing through together. It says he was dead for 24 hours by the time they reached him; I’m sure with the extra person and extra supplies staying with him (presumably with a lamp for light too) he stood a much better chance of surviving those 24 hours
@Zuleph Izus it also said 24 hours tho? That’s weird. If it was 24 then it was a much better chance, but even 72 would be do-able I think
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George HH2022-10-17 18:31:57 (edited 2022-10-17 18:33:19 )
@T Man The newspaper headline said that, not him. Also, they had tried many times to free him that way. The person he tried to keep down with him was just surveying the situation, so would've had very few tools with him. So no, he wouldn't have survived that way, not remotely. "Push through together" With what, mind control?
@George HH To be honest, i agree that the rescuer could've helped Floyd survive if he stayed during the cave in.
There was food and drink with Floyd, but Floyd can't feed himself. The lightbulb went out about 3 days before Floyd was found, another person's body heat could've kept him warm for the remaining hours. And humans are truly social creatures, I'm sure having some company would've had a very positive affect on Floyd's mental state.
That being said, I have no idea what state the trapped rescuer would be in if he got stuck. 12 days without food would be a tough hurdle to overcome.
With a lot of these like 100 year old stories, I wonder what would happen if this happened today. Like would he have gotten out? What would they have done differently
To be fair he's done it before. Costa Concordia or Harold Camping videos for example. Neither one had anything to do with internet history. They're just real life stories like this one.
This is the kind of shenanigans that normally happen on the internet, so that’s why. Besides, now that it’s number 3 on trending it’s technically a crossover hit. God bless poor Floyd and Homer.
Dude they're the worst, can't tell you how much I hate reaction channels or twitch streamers that just watch videos and don't offer anything but a couple of chuckles and nodding along in agreement. Absolute leeches
I try to judge streamers on a case-by-case basis if they do reaction content, and IH videos provide one of the easiest ways to do that: if they skip his ads, then not only are they thieving shitbags for cutting out one of the more reliable ways to make money on YT, but they’re also idiots for skipping the genius that is the IH Ad Cinematic Universe.
Twitch streams should at least link IH's video and ask their viewers to leave a like or something after watching the video with them and also not skip IH's ad time like some twitch streamers I know.
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Sean Boerger2022-10-01 03:00:53 (edited 2022-10-01 03:01:06 )
Everyone fills in their own streamer and finally my man Wubby is doing it and even tho he skipped the ad he shouted out the World of Tanks referral code
Don't give those townspeople the title of having tried and failed. They didn't fail; they gave up. There is far more honor in failure. I will not say they did the wrong thing. If you find that you are unqualified and will only hinder the rescue (or worse, add another body) you should absolutely turn around, but you don't earn the title of having tried.
The 3D rendition of the cave structure at 5:09 is so well-done in showing how far down Floyd was. I can't imagine how brave he was to go cave-exploring on his own.
@J It's desperation from financial destitution and a brazen hope for a better life. The United States and the state of Kentucky failed this man and his family in life and for another 60+ years after his death.
@D.W. Stratton In death, sure, but remember that once upon a time people didn't expect the government to be their parents/safety officer/source of sustenance. It is in fact only VERY recently that this became fashionable among any large number of people. Your grandparents would remember that's not normal. Probably your parents too. People were made different, once, because the world is not nice and they intimately knew that.
@D.W. Stratton Kentucky has failed damn near everyone that's ever lived there. Harlan County USA is probably the greatest documentary ever made and that's basically about how shit it is to live and work in Kentucky.
@ChaosAndBunnies Interesting you went after me and not the guy moralizing over "gubmint those days" instead. And look at yourself, inserting yourself into a conversation you weren't a part of, in the comment section on a documentary of a man slowly dying alone in a cave even. Very classy.
@Galen Schultz my brother in christ, be that as it may we have an obligation to those who come after us to make the world better than we found it. Being built different meant people dying at 19 of black lung, or being caught in threshing machines, or a monopoly buying your house for pennies on the dollar because they found oil underneath the foundations. Giving people security and safety so they can contribute healthily to society is an inherently noble thing.
@Morgan I disagree that it is inherently noble because everything has tradeoffs. You are never given something, there is always, always, always a price. You are never given safety, because safety from one danger must mean exposure to another. For instance a helicopter parent might keep their child safe from the dangers of falling off playground equipment but at the cost of a child learning to manage their own physical risk. Don't be so hasty to sign up for things "given" to you.
@Isaac Morgan he was either gonna go homeless,cause he needed fucking money, or die trying for a better life. He never expected to die down there of course, but he damn well didn’t plan on being poor. You should know this if you watched the vid, he needed money.
@Isaac Morgan difference between him and other people who go into caves is other people do it for fun and die,he did it because he needed money and died. A much better reason when you have no other option because the states only form of attraction is fucking caves of all things. Sounds like a bad place to live imo.
Brave? Lol Brave is when you risk your life saving a woman from being kidnapped or sacrificing your life to save that of a loved one. Crawling into an extremely dangerous cave for no good reason is pure stupidity.
@Thicc Thicc Thicc I can tell you one thing I certainly don't like is you putting words in my mouth. Kind of you to take the worst possible meaning you might attribute to my words and run with it. A credit to our political system, you are.
@Youdontget that’s a pretty lazy interpretation. If you never had the bravery to risk anything in life, you would never accomplish anything. It was either this, or die in poverty with his drunk dad. At least he brought his community together and died on his feet… in a manner of speaking.
@ChaosAndBunnies It's not a "kids these day" rant it's a fact lmao. The reason why people think the government needs to be a safety net is thanks to the industrial revolution and the advent of socialism. See, before we were industrialized centralized governments and government control was always seen as a bad idea. In the past people would have too be self sufficient. That is an objective fact. Thanks to capitalism and the industrial revolution, the working class was abused like never before. People stopped being self sufficient and started living in big cities and working in huge factories, using advanced tools for farming as all the land was slowly being bought out by robber barons and corporations. This environment is what led to the invention of socialism, and now here we are. Anyways, nanny states suck, capitalism sucks, and the modern world sucks.
@Morgan Everything you mention is form the 19th century, which is the century that began the collapse of mankind. In the past when people were more self sufficient, I mean as far back as Medieval Europe, their lives were far better and more fulfilling. There are millions of mis conceptions about the past, and when you actually dive into real history, you start to realize just how better life used to be compares to today. The industrial revolution is objectively the worst thing to happen to mankind. We were better off before the concept of capitalism and the hyper police states we live in today existed.
@Caleb OKAY a man after my own heart. There are people working on this problem, of you're interested. In my opinion their focus on saving civilization while throwing out the bad stuff is futile, but there's multiple angles folks are attempting to solve the problem you laid out. Game B, the Dark Renaissance, there's some deep thinkers out there if you're interested in some cave exploration of your own.
@Galen Schultz In what way is the concept of a societal welfare a recent idea? There were entire revolutions and political movements in the late 19th and the entire 20th century to create better living conditions and working conditions.
@Galen Schultz what special wisdom is gained from contracting silicosis from silica dust in a mine in Kentucky, Dying in your mid thirties? At least the nanny state didn’t test your employer’s mine for dust levels? Rugged individualism is a psyop to let people with way more money than you off the hook for poisoning their workers.
Capitalism and the industrial revolution started is sumerian times? When human started farming and wasn't bound to foraging for food all day they build giant cities to live in, and form communities govern by leaders, farmers had yearly quotas to fulfill or (in most civilization) face severe consequences. The industrial revolution and capitalism brought abundance in food and freedom of labor, the poorest person of today still lives a better life then the serfs and slaves of yesterday, your hatred is missguided, the thing you should hate is democracy, in the end only liars and cheats reach the top there.
@President Panda I didn't say the idea was recent. I said it's only been recently fashionable with any great number of people. I try to pick my words carefully. I also didn't say societal welfare, I said the attitude toward the state of parent/safety officer/source of sustenance.
Also, I don't think it's so easy to label everything we've done to our living and working conditions as "better". I also think it's going to be fruitless to have the conversation.
@Galen Schultz It was just as fashionable back then as it is now. Just because you personally do not see the progress made as a good thing, doesn't mean it isn't.
@Galen Schultz Ok I won't put words in your mouth then, even though I've literally copied 2 things you actually said. People weren't "built different" back in the day. They were built exactly the fucking same as we are now. There was simply no available technology that existed for the government to be capable of helping out huge swathes of people who actually needed welfare. And your idea of people's grandparents not expecting the government to be a safety net is bullshit too. My grandparents grew up during WWII. They literally expected their government to save their entire nation from being destroyed. So.... Saying we should be wary of welfare is a ridiculous statement. Not everyone on earth is some kind of rugged individual who can fend for themselves.
@ChaosAndBunnies the Unabomber was wrong while being right. Civilization and it's consequences (including the industrial revolution) have been a disaster for the human race.
@Jess H only middle aged people can use certain words in YouTube comments. Got it. I certainly couldn't have been affecting a polite tone on purpose, it's because I'm old. I use proper grammar and punctuation on the internet as well, must mean I'm old, not that I care in a personal way about clear communication, right?
Knowing that if it hadn't rained he would probably hve been rescued is soul-crushing. His story and similar ones make me so anxious. I would have asked to be killed by the third day or something.
I've seen another video on this and only now realize how many mistakes they made trying to rescue him. It's good to know the effort wasn't hopeless. Rescue was very foreseeable.
Floyd had the best friend and best brother in the whole world. I cannot imagine how hard it must have been to just drop everything and just rush to save someone in just a slow and painful way of digging him out.
bro the minecraft cave sound at an hour and 5 minutes scared the shit out of me because i was playing minecraft but i was above ground so i was sitting here for like a good 5 minutes tryna figure out what was going on
You're alright mate, now you're just typing in a tight little box with no escaping or breaching the confines of, inside two windows that exiting will lead to a dead end screen (most likely of some anime chick that's underage seeing how you're a gamer).
@HexCodeFF Animation is just the illusion of motion by displaying still figures in a sequence of poses. Which is exactly what this video is. CGI is just computer generated imagery - it can be animated or static depending on how its used.
@[BB] animation is the illusion of motion, correct. Yet, the displayed motion can't exist itself, virtually, digitally or in reality. Otherwise it would include any and all displays of motion via video. Any movie would therefore be animation. That is why I take issue with your definition and prefer mine. I would call this video a "motion graphic".
edit: A useful rule to figure out whether or not something can be called an animation is to ask the question whether or not you can draw a vector between two frames of the sequence. Yes: Then it is puppetry/motion graphics. No: Then it is animation, most likely.
What your definition of animation doesn't include either are non-video animations, like flip-books or zoetropes, which include the only form of 3D animation ever created.
@Jade Greenleaf He's probably a twitter leftist who thinks "ratio" is a simple command that he can use to get his braindead followers to like his comment instead of an organic counter-reaction to someone being incredibly stupid by getting more comments mentioning how stupid they are than likes on their tweet.
It's not about the animations but the story itself. I got no claustrophobia but the idea of being stuck in some cave like that terrified me from the first couple minutes.
What if Homer would stand back against the rock towards/above Floyd and push the rope down towards the other side with his foot while everyone else was pulling? That should've made the rope pull more horizontally. I'm sure some of the power would be lost but with that many men pulling could it have been enough force and towards the right direction?
I'm so infuriated by the way the public ended up making this so much harder. I was so fucking relieved when Gerald finally made everyone leave. Get you a friend like Gerald, someone who tells everyone their support is best appreciated from a distance because their physical presence is making it worse.
Yeah now you know why the founders only wanted land owners to vote. People that had skin in the game. Most people are sheep and beg to be led and in turn they want the rest of us thinkers to be shackled with them.
@NotSoClassy that's the exact reason that history is taught. We must acknowledge past mistakes and shitty decisions, lest they are done again and history repeats itself. Unfortunately, even when we have the upper hand of knowing the history, people think you can do the same thing with different results. It's moronic.
i honestly think the mob of peasants hanging around to see whats up were not even aware that their presence was doing damage to the cave's structural integrity. think how stupid people in general are even by todays standards, and then think how bad it must have been back in the early 1900's where large portions of most country's populations were still illiterate, and even if everyone was literate they still had no internet and were still relatively isolated in their home countries.
It gave me chills but you can’t really blame Floyd, he was at his wits end. I can’t imagine how painful it was seeing the person crawl away as the tunnel caved in.
Also if your wondering what death by exposure (the reason Floyd died) means it’s basically being to hot or cold. Like dying in a snow storm would be death from exposure.
It’s probably for the best that he was alone. If the dude was trapped in there with him he probably would’ve killed him and then cannibalized his corpse until the rescuer’s came.
It's really heartening to know I'm not the only one who got super freaked out by that. It's not like you can blame him for doing it, but god, the panic really set in in that moment for me.
I dont think he was trying to lure him into certain death, I think he was genuinely desperate to be helped out asap. And who knows how it would have gone if someone was around to dig from 2 sides of the tunnel at the same time. Maybe they would have succeeded.
I think he just didn’t wanna be alone, he knew that a cave in would happen and he just wished that someone else was there with him but alas he was left alone
@Demoulius He claimed he was thirsty but then refused once offered a drink. He definitely knew he was about to be truly trapped, and wanted someone there with him.
I'm getting an ad exactly every two and a half minutes. I'm watching on console so these ads are double and most of which can't be skipped, I like this channel but I'm 20 minutes in and I've watched all the ads I possible can at this point. Doesn't matter how good this video is it isn't worth the amount of ads I'm being forced to watch.
Better than most movies too. Don't worry though, some out of touch Hollywood asshole will try to capitalize on this story only for it to come out as some half assed trash.
Someone just give Internet Historian a 50 million dollar budget and let him do it for fuck's sake.
Lol you must not have actually seen any actual high budget documentaries than… I hate these types of comments that try hard to exaggerate a video to justify it
I would tell you to get Grammarly, but this is too incoherent to be fixed. Are you trying to type on a McDonald's touch screen?
Documentaries never made me feel anything, this video did. I would rather watch this 1 hour video than a 30 minute documentary. He can talk about anything and make it enjoyable. There's humorous moments, there's tense moments, and its just a nice experience all around.
"Lol you must not have actually seen any actual high budget documentaries than" -- Said under a comment where someone compares this to high-budget documentaries (which he supposedly hasn't seen).
This story is such a rollercoaster of emotions... hope, belief in human kindness and sacrifice, disgust at selfishness, sadness over a terrifying death of a man who only wanted a good life through his hard work...
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lucas mcalpine2022-09-30 23:04:34 (edited 2022-09-30 23:07:29 )
The only ones I was mainly mad at (So far, I haven't seen all of it) was the gawkers. The firefighter, the reporter, the cave team, they all did their best, against their judgement telling them to leave, going into the tightest area with spikey painful crystals along it. Yet many people who fixed themselves as "Heroes" weren't willing to be courageous, to be determined, to do their damnest despite the obvious danger. I'm no hero, I couldn't do that but those people were sickening if I'm being honest.
@lucas mcalpine they if you call them bad people why they go in there to fucking feed him put up a whole as mining station plus having almost two presidents dealing it and thats during his alive times and even after his death that one team still had compassion to bring him to peace.
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lucas mcalpine2022-10-03 19:09:16 (edited 2022-10-03 19:09:42 )
@👺samurai boi The Gawkers never went in and those that did turned back. I said that the people who went in and fed him were cool- the gawkers who sat outside lighting fires and doing nothing but destabilizing the cave were complete jackasses though. His brother? COol. The Reporter? Cool. The Fireman? Cool. The cave stability checking folks? cool. The miners? Cool. The gawkers who sat there and watched served no purpose and not only did nothing helpful but actively contributed to killing Floyd because their fires unfroze all the snow and ice holding the cave stable. Please learn basic reading comprehension.
It's probably what Hell will be like. I pray we all put out faith in Jesus so we go to Heaven with Him instead. Hell will be so scary and isolated and dark and disappointing. I pray you all find the Truth in Jesus of Nazareth.
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Kat S.2022-10-09 02:08:36 (edited 2022-10-10 11:50:52 )
@Cory C if you believe in god, god is the one who tortured Floyd in the first place.
@Kat S. I don't think god exists as anyone might be able to comprehend. But if there is some sort of conscious decision making high power you must know that god is either not all powerful or not all good.
@Cory C Just how horrible is your religion that that is one of your beliefs you hold strongest and WANT to hold? Disgustingly anti-human and evil and you call it love. Like they say there is no hate like christian love.
@Cory C God may exist, but why would he give two sh*ts about us? Nothing more than primal stupid apes with an exceptional tool making ability. There is no reality in which a perfect being could be even remotely human, we are just a game of sims.
@Cory C Sorry my nihilistic side shown threw a little there. If you believe that god shares your specific sense of morality that’s your business. Wish you luck either way, and hope you find happiness in whatever way you chose.
@Cory C Are you seriously using this as a way to push your religion? You're saying "if you don't follow my religion then this is your fate". Its just fear mongering and it's honestly disgusting. For a religion that's supposed to be based on love, it sure takes a lot of fear and hate to trick people into joining. Just stop.
@Zuniroa Buddy, who supposedly created EVERYTHING including all the rules that make good people deserving of eternal torture? How is it that you God doesnt give a fuck if you have done good deeds, but only cares that you are a slave to him or else be punsihed? Free will? Did my free will create cancer and earthquakes? Fuck religion.
@Arthur Duckett Quite a few, actually. (Or well, opened not in the name of any particular faith or lack thereof.) Religion doens't have a monopoly on kindness and generosity my guy.
@Arthur Duckett Hell is anti human because an infinite punishment is disproportionate compared to a finite bad action, or sin, which is even more problematic since the concept of sin has changed quite a lot over millennia and over different denominations. Fun fact: once I met a christian who believed that hell existed but it was actually empty because "jesus forgives everyone", I thought it was a nice way of "fixing" hell
@Giorgio Bergonzoni These people are fumny😂 Everything was created by god and happens by his will, yet he has to bear 0 responsibilites as you "cAnT bLaMe gOd". Make it make sense
Why was Floyd trying to open an entrance to the gypsum caves before opening up the Squeeze first? Did he really think some tourist was going to squeeze through a hole the size of a sandwich to see some rocks?? Like bruh😂😂
same tbh, i was like "oh shid internet historian update! , and also an hour long! time for a good ol quality entertainment!" boi, it was not what i'm expected , still deliver but dang..
They really should've just dug him out from the get-go, but I suppose they didn't have the momentum for it. Sadly, stories like this resulted in the robust rescue operations we have nowadays. If he was trapped down there today instead, he'd probably have been out within a day or two.
For those wondering if Floyd's dream of reaching that section of Crystal Cave was ever realized, here's an excerpt from William Miller's (aka Ordinary Things) wikipedia:
"In 1954, [Miller] returned to the Mammoth Cave National Park area with a group of 32 people (journalists, scientists, and explorers) who were eager to study the famous Crystal Cave that Collins had originally discovered in 1917. They entered it, and spent an entire week exploring; Miller told an Associated Press reporter the Crystal Cave, with its "flower-like formations of gypsum" was like an "orchid paradise" and despite its role in the tragedy of Collins' death, it was still a place of amazing natural beauty"
@mrshmuga9 well when they we’re talking about how his brother recovered his body they did talk about how they got to the far side of his body and removed the boulder that pinned his leg, so if that’s true then they likely used the same entrance to enter further into the cave later.
This story has it all: unspeakable claustrophobic terror, Kentucky carney hijinks, the unrelenting perseverance of the human spirit, wacky 1920s technology, and a whole bodysnatching epilogue. It really is gut-churningly horrifying and a completely absurd comedy of errors at the same time and nobody could have told it better.
It’s so sad Wendigoon wasn’t rescued faster. I really liked his content. I hope he left a sizeable backlog of videos to give us the impression that he’s still with us.
It’s insane that I knew that he died. I know the story already, I know he doesn’t make it out. But for some reason, this video had me tense and hoping that every attempt he would be rescued. I felt deflated when you said he died. This is such a great video.
It's called Titanic Syndrome. When you watch the movie, the ship is approaching the iceberg and a small part of you is screaming 'C'mon! Turn damn you turn! You can do it!'.
reminds me of a joke I read in a joke book a while ago
Two friends were watching an old cowboy movie.
It gets to a chase scene towards the end of the movie and one friend turns to the other and says, "I bet you $20 he falls off his horse," the other friend accepts. The hero falls off his horse and the friend pays out but the one that made the bet tells him "No I can't take your money; I've already seen this movie"
The other friend, "So have I, but I didn't think he'd do it again!"
What’s really emotional and just outright disturbing is that apparently rescuers had said that Collins’ last words were “You’re too slow.” as the caves walls were beginning to close in.
@eat hot chip and lie exactly, people are quick to believe something someone said in an era known for sensationalism and extreme stretches of the truth in journalism
@Messy Misha Everyone processes information differently. It's completely natural for someone to find such a thing to be oddly morbid or disturbing. This entire story in general is heartbreaking at its core regardless of how you feel about that particular detail.
kinda sad that people berated robert like that, he meant well but it just didn't work out, if maybe they pulled at a different angle it might have worked
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Ivan Chu2022-10-03 11:10:26 (edited 2022-10-03 11:11:06 )
Gerald is a freaking unit, he is incredible, it feels if he had appeared just a bit earlier and if there wasn't much commotion, he would've gotten Floyd out,,
Gerald, Miller and Homer were incredible in this story! It's so frustrating that the crowbar method could've worked if the cave didn't collapse when it did :(
Soo.. all of that and at the end we don't have a good photo of what he wanted to show people?! Fuck, I hoped at least they managed to put a camera and take some photos of that awesome place
You can tell someone's a genuinely skilled storyteller when you already know the outcome to the story and yet you're still utterly captivated the whole time anyway. A+ man.
Absolutely true, I wasn't familiar with this story before this video but I've already rewatches it three times and everytime I physically tense at parts
As tragic as this story is, it's also kind of inspiring to see these instances of people putting huge amounts of effort and taking big risks just to save one life.
'If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.'
Goes to show you, people really do care even if it feels like they don't. It's the opportunities you aren't in that's the problem, not you personally. Everyone has value.
That moment when he said he didn't want to be alone when the cave in happens, I didn't think much of it at first cause still believed he was gonna get out. That was actually the very last time anyone saw him alive. And I just thought back to that moment. Even though they still tried like hell to get him out after that, he'd never know about it. For all he knew, they already gave up by then.
@gz To be honest, during the last couple of days he was alive he probably couldn’t think at all. I’m sure he was completely delirious, more like in a coma than actually living
How were you able to hold my short as heck attention span, that couldnt even bare a 15 second ad, to watch an hour of cave pictures with moving cutouts and narration??
Was at Mammoth Cave National Park recently where they told Floyd’s story during the tours, but the rangers didn’t tell the story nearly as good as you did. Though to be fair, I don’t think I could handle watching this video while being inside the very cave system in which it happened. Thank you for being a beautiful storyteller.
I was in and out watching this and woke up to this scene. Very spooky to wake up to.
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C Porter2022-10-02 01:58:05 (edited 2022-10-04 02:26:09 )
he told the story shittily, got so many details wrong with it. I'm working on a response video right now to show it.
EDIT: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context, as to do tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
@Benji I probably will afterwards, but a response video is entirely needed first. Because of how horribly he made his video, and how much disrespect towards the actual incident is there, he needs to be called out. There has been so much disrespect over nearly a century's time for Floyd Collins and the entire Collins family, it's time that people actually get some sort of negative consequences for it. I.H. holds absolute responsibility for telling stuff like this correctly, and it is abundantly clear to me that not only did he do little research, but he purposely left crucial details out and reconfigured the entire story around. It's not like that there's little to go off of anyways; there are several books, one of which being exhaustively long that was made about it, as well as documentaries and a attempted true story movie made about it by Billy Bob Thornton in years past.
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C Porter2022-10-02 04:25:26 (edited 2022-10-02 05:46:41 )
@woah now I'll give you this one for now, but really I'm trying to spend as much time on this video to get it out soon:
Internet Historian explains Floyd's whole mission to dig out Sand Cave for tourism, but says it as this is the cave that he found on his property. This is not even close to true; the cave that was found on his property was Floyd Collins' Crystal Cave, years beforehand, opening in 1917. Sand Cave, which was a name that the press came up for it by the way, was found in the later months of 1924, with an agreement from the actual landowner which was Bee Doyle, for a 50/50 split of revenue for when the cave was opened, if one could be found.
( there may be typos in here, but literally I'm spending a lot of time working on the video right now)
@C Porter ohhh this is interesting. I thought you meant a ranger at the cave told the story badly but you mean IH. It feels like IH would have a lot to lose for doing poor research so I’m interested in what points you bring up
@ServantoftheKing Well stay tuned then for my video, hopefully it will be up in the next few days. (Notice on my channel I have several videos on the songs about Floyd Collins on their original 78rpm records, one dating back to 1925 itself.) I'm going to expose this guy for what he truly is, a shitty source, who puts influence and visuals over the actual content, which has as many holes in his telling and lack of respect for it as the yellow journalists who sabotaged the progress of Floyd's rescue in 1925.
@El tio Fresca look to others in this comment section.
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C Porter2022-10-02 06:10:22 (edited 2022-10-02 06:11:27 )
@woah now Already did show one, look in the comment section, but i''m working on this video to show you all, as you can be rightfully mad at him for what he's doing wrong.
@C Porter Bein honest this is a very weak point against him. I thought he did something real FUCKED UP by downplaying an aspect lie family or the severity of the story. I know it's just one point but this detail is basically at most a minor typo or something lol
@C Porter I look forward to your video but just as a heads up, IH is a comedian and all his videos are in this same style of silly ways to spread information. If he got facts wrong then by all means will be interested in hearing what's right and wrong. But if this is about his tone of the video, it came off as respectful enough to me. He obviously sympathize with the family and if anything, this story felt more like a jab at the way people have treated his situation in both stupid and admirable ways.
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C Porter2022-10-02 06:57:31 (edited 2022-10-02 06:57:57 )
@eh I literally just listed the first of fucking many. This isn't a typo either, how the hell could it be? He did EVERYTHING you just mentioned in that comment. How can you watch the video even without this and not realize how fucked up it is? Animating Floyd's body flying in the air and laughing at it? Some of you people are legit hopeless.
@dzthfbn cbvm So it was respectful how he animated his body flying up in the air all magic like? or how he added sex jokes in there for no reason? How about replacing every photo of the actual people present with stock photos or literal costume designs for Chris fucking Kringle? This video has done nothing but misrepresent the story of Floyd Collins even more than it already is.
@C Porter Those things you listed are flavors of his comedy. Not misinterpretions. Misinterpreting is like what you mentioned in your previous post about the incorrect naming and reasoning. Seeing a body fly across the sky...I guess you haven't watched his other videos on other retold events? Because he does that silly dark humor with everything.
@dzthfbn cbvm Dark humor is fine if it's done with taste and respect at the end of the day. Such as with The Dollop's podcast episode on the Floyd Collins tragedy, though they still leave out a lot of other details. I highly recommend it.
@C Porter IH usually does follow up vids when there are mistakes his audience points out. He did with the Costa Concordia one, for instance.
So he does care to correct any mistake. I kinda get the feeling you are trying to cancel him instead of just, you know, point out the details he got wrong.
@C Porter You're right it is fine. It just seems that IH's flavor of humor doesn't sit right with you and that's okay too. If your video is merely about the incorrect information I see no problem with it but if it goes into the points you brought up about the faces being replaced and calling something like THAT misinformation then it's...a bit silly because we all know it's not actually their faces. Even said so at the end of the video who was used as replacements. Of course you can still do what you like regardless of what I say, but I just end up seeing videos like those get laughed at instead of taken seriously or create a mob with pitchforks over something minor and losing the actual meaning of your video as well.
@Luis Rodriguez I'm not able to cancel people, not only is it too risky for me, but this guy literally has millions of subs and a ton more influence than a 78er who makes music history videos with actual cited sources, and made with true care and understanding of the subject.
@dzthfbn cbvm The attempts at humor in this is not misinformation, but it sure as shit is in bad taste. The video can't decide whether it wants to be a meme video, or an actual documentary piece, or something that truly tells the story right. There's nothing minor about this, unless you mean to say that anything historical is minor at the end of the day. Where do you draw the line? Does it have to be as big as the holocaust or 9/11 for it to be something major?
@C Porter You really want to compare 9/11 and the holocaust, events of murder that affected people nationally and globally even to this day, to the mistake one guy made by willingly crawl into a dangerous cave? And you want to hold the standards of an internet comedian to that of an actual historical documentary? As for drawing the line, it would be if this same video was meant to be taught in a history class and claimed to be 100% accurate. Why? Because I'm aware this is not to be taken 100% seriously. If I wanted an actual documentary I would go watch one and you know what? After I watched this, I went to go watch and read up on what happened in Nutty Putty as it was a similar situation because it peaked my interest and I wanted more facts. So I went to seek as such from not a comedien.
TO EVERYONE FOLLOWING IN THIS THREAD: First, yes I'm being rude in this, but as you all will see in time--if you end up watching the video i make--it is more than deserved, plus the arguments of: "it's a minor detail" followed by "Who cares", "If you don't like it, don't watch it", and "it's just a video for entertainment!" are the weakest and most predictable arguments out there, and it's clear you've put no thought into it.
Second, I'm going to ignoring or commenting a lot less here as I can, as right now I'm trying to focus all my efforts on this video I'm making. With this video, my thoughts will be a lot more clearly laid out. Don't expect the visuals to be as fantastic as this video here. If you want a visual reference, I got documentaries i've done across my channel.
Three, My passionate interest in Floyd Collins has went back over 4 years time. Started from hearing the 1925 Andrew Jenkins song in Sept 2018, and since I've studied deeply into this. If you look through my channel, I've uploaded several of the original 78rpm records of this song, with varying descriptions talking about the tragedy pulling from my research. Plus look at other Floyd Collins videos on YT, and you may see me in there, and discussing him with others who have looked into it even deeper than ME too sometimes.
I care about the truth being put out, with proper context, and not furthering the disrespect and misrepresentation this man and his family has faced from people of influence not caring enough for nearly 100 years now.
@C Porter Honestly the fact that you're going around to everyone praising this video peddling this stuff about inaccuracies while not elaborating but instead insisting that you're gonna put out this awesome response video seems like you're just trying too hard to get attention for your own channel. Which is ironic considering the recurring theme in this vid about terrible people taking advantage of a bad situation to benefit themselves.
@C Porter Chill pard'ner, I think you've just got a mighty strong urge to explore Collin's cave and are having trouble expressing your jealously towards IH's popularity and being the one to bring attention to dear Ol' Collin's drippy wet cave holes that're so tight, they'd strangle a worm to death. Eyup.
@C Porter Dude, you're too much. Do you realize that your emotional reaction is rather strange and dismissable from an outsider perspective? I think you should make the Floyd Collins video, it's something you clearly care about. However you should very well expect an Internet Historian video to have tongue-in-cheek embellishments and dramatizations, as you claim to be a veteran viewer of his content.
@hecks soda I'm not too much just because I seem to be the only one who cares enough to actually hold him to the same standards as literally everyone else on this platform is held to. If you're gonna make a video about something and have a ton of shit wrong in it, then by default you should be expecting backlash from viewers on whatever scale. Just so happens that I'm the guy who has to call him out on his shit because no one else will, and is fine with just mindlessly believing everything said. His own source he lists the one time even contradicts what he says in the video, that's how low effort of research he put into it.
@dzthfbn cbvm So you're saying he's somehow less important because he "willingly crawled into a cave" then? Would it be the same for an astronaut who launches himself into space to die on re-entry or a mountaineer who falls to his death while climbing Everest then? Their lives don't matter because it's not some giganitc event that turned the tides of human history in the last 100 years? Of course, because if it takes risks to do something, it's that person's fault they die no matter what happens then, that's what you're saying. Pretty shitty to think that it's automatically lesser then and undeserving of the same respect and research put in just because the circumstances of how someone met their fate is different. Why don't we just then throw out all the research books and documentaries into Floyds' death then and say that "God held him in that cave because he wouldn't repent and give himself to god" like his fucking father Lee thought.
And for fucks sake, this is barely 50% accurate. If this video was even 80% correct, I wouldn't be making all this noise about it.
@C Porter...Reread the warning at the beginning of the video..
Journalistic and Satire in nature... No shit I could tell he wasn't treating it as serious as a documentary! He's made sure to completely change faces and such to make sure we aren't even laughing at them, I could recognize near all the YouTube playing their parts. It's kinda like reacting a play, you can call it fucked buttt it's not too much of an argument on that end
@C Porter i'll be real with you my guy. your time and effort would go to far better use if you used the algorithmic relevance of Floyd's story rn and made a real, true and honest documentary-esque take on the tale. doesn't need cool moving pictures etc, few people come to video essays for visuals in the first place. i would 100% watch that video be it 10 minutes or 10 hours. but i can guarantee you i will not watch the response video. you are barking up the wrong tree by trying to insist this video was meant as a true and honest documentary. this isn't the megalodon or mermaids 'documentary' where IH insists it's true and brings in some actors pretending to be historians to echo his claims. this is a haha funny video that brings attention towards a fascinating story and entertains the viewers. you claim the flying bit was in ill taste but from my POV, it was meant to represent further just how ridiculed the poor man was by exaggeration. i thought it was amusing but i didn't laugh, it was sad thinking that THIS is probably what it felt like from the perspective of his family. using the real photos in these skits would be 100000% times more disrespectful so i don't really see where your anger comes from.
use the attention this brought to the story and who knows, if your account is as true as you say, it might get boosted by other historians that aren't comedians. you could be up there with other well received video essays. though the stories that are heard don't tend to start with "i am going to act superior to a funny man"
@C Porter Your example of IH doing little to no research is a small detail of the caves name and who owned the land. Could you list anything else?
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C Porter2022-10-04 00:59:15 (edited 2022-10-04 01:00:35 )
@Iron Pizza How the fuck is it a small detail? Crystal cave is an entirely different fucking Cave Sytem that's so much larger than Sand Cave ever could be, and has a legacy that directly helps Mammoth Cave's existence. It literally changes his entire motive for going into Sand Cave in the first place, which IH purposefully ignores since he specifically wrote Crystal Cave, a extremely large part of the Mammoth Cave reigon already. It's not obscure either, it's incredibly well known, which even more shows how he deliberately reconstructed the story with the intent to create a fake account of the Floyd Collins Tragedy. I'm making a video right now about all the major stuff he left out. WAY to many to list here. So you'll have to see it in the video. Idgaf if it gets 6 views or 600 either like people are trying to make me out to be.
@C Porter I got your statement wrong and misunderstood it. The way you explain things in these comments is not too easy to follow. More sentence stops, more breaks in text, and less unnecessary details. Anyways sure he left it out but is that really misinformation? It absolutely could have been included in the video, but I don't think he had any ill intent in doing so. I hope your video turns out well. I'll be checkin it out when it releases.
@Iron Pizza It's absolutely misinformation when he purposely builds a new story around it, puts all the time and effort into it knowing it's not correct. Besides, that's only the first of by my estimation, around 15-20 things of this scale or bigger he gets entirely false.
The story he's telling is equivalent to Titanic but replace the iceberg with a U-Boat, and the break up as sinking solid. Major things that affect everything else around it. Plus it makes for a less impactful telling all around.
The people claiming the reality of Floyd being trapped was a conspiracy theory because the basic facts were too scary for them to contemplate is essentially a parable about the internet.
you'd think the animation and cut out characters would take away from the tenseness of this whole ordeal but internet historian manages to tell a great story using them
Wait did some of the original vid get cut? I could have sworn he did more with the "it's been 100 years, let's call it even" instead of just two people. Thought there was at least 1 other he did that to.
This story encompasses the most noble efforts of humanity, as well as its most depraved inclinations. It’s truly incredible that even knowing from the start that he wasn’t going to make it, the way you told the story still gave me hope right up until the end. Kudos
This thing is the most American thing ever. From banding together to help a man in dire need against all odds to digging up that same man's corpse and putting it on display for some money.
@Caleb Ottoson The Mystery Flesh Pit in Texas? Best vacation I ever had! Worth every penny, and the memories will last a lifetime. Make sure to bring your kids when you go, they'll never forget it.
not to mention the 2 dudes that threw his body and the leg that was trapped under the rock, the one Floyd didnt wanna cut off being cut off, and his body still being put back inside the cave but with chains now
When IH said "He's dead." I audibly gasped and hunched over. I was so invested in this story and I had such hope that he'd make it out. I couldn't imagine being the Miners or the family of Floyd, going through all the hardship and effort put into his rescue, just to find out they'd barely missed him. May God cherish his soul.
@Diogenes' Lantern What did you expect to find when you read the comments to the video before watching the video exactly? Like this isn't some video about the first episode of Breaking Bad with a comment that spoil the last episode here, this is a comment about the information we find out in this very video! That's not a spoiler, that's just what commenting is!
@Diogenes' Lantern They hated Diogenes because he told the truth. This is a historical event. But it is obscure, and for 99% of viewers is new. And is considered entertainment by them.
Okay you dont have to mass reply to the dude. Jesus! I kind of get it personally, I told myself not to read comments bcause i didnt know the ending and it was compelling. Just because its a historical event and old doesnt mean everyone knows it.
bro it took them how longagain? over 100 hours to reach him? i knew he was dead by then. imagine how long he was without water and food i was like 90% sure he was dead and you can hadrly say they BARELY missed him, 3 days is a long fucking time
@The Boshy The comments are a place to discuss the video, don't go into them without watching the video if you don't want to be spoiled. Like come on guys lol.
It's really upsetting that they tried SO fucking hard to help him and ultimately, just couldn't.
The way he was treated after passing is absolutely disgusting too, at the point where it's noted he wore out 4 caskets I literally shouted "just bury him!".
@Venkteshprasad Maya Rao LOL sorry. Actually I commented before I finished the video. I watched a documentary about this guy years ago and think about him every time I'm near a cave
This is one of the scariest ways to die. The way you described the events as they unfolded really accentuated the hopeless despair of Floyd's situation.
I think the Jacob Geller video "fear of depths' is also about this case and fuck, I've never been more scared in my life than watching that video. It's incredible, I can highly recommend it.
@Józef Lucifuge Korzeniowski ooof I remember hearing about that novel from Jacob Geller and I am scared of even attempting reading that. It's quite literally an incomprehensibly unbearable position that, by the way it was presented, you would HAVE to bear. Ugh, makes me shiver in disgust.
Ok, we’ve got music from the original The Sims game at 1:08:00 and the theme song to Medal of Honor: Allied Assault at 1:04:08 . Someone on the editing staff is a connoisseur of early 2000s video games.
i kept thinking the same thing every time IH mentioned that more and more people came to town. i was really hoping he would get out alive and be like "hey i guess got my wish yuk yuk yuk" but instead im sad now
@Morticia Fattyms Mostly people were saving him for competition and self worth, the only genuinely good ones were his brother, friend and the writer the firefighter was a piece of shit who was just saving him as fast as possible to be praised as a hero
@ImmenseWraith I didn't forget. I was just reading the comments while watching and the sentiment in the video was that they weren't necessarily happy to just leave him there - risking lives to bury him(nice but not worth it), I couldn't even imagine what freaking americans could come up with.
I think what ended up finally killing Floyd was that the light bulb burnt out. The heat from it no longer kept his vitals warm, he was without food so his body couldn't do it, and he was wet so he was losing heat plentifully. Most importantly, I think he gave up at that point. I think after the light went out, he decided they must have given up on him and that there was no hope for him, so he gave up on life. The indomitability of the human spirit rests on our will to live.
Well, yeah. Obviously it was the light bulb that went out which killed him. He literally says in the video that he died around the same time the light bulb went out.
@Orange Juice I think you’re leaving a reply because you had a thought. The neurones in your brain fired and produced a thought, and you finally ended up parsing that thought into motor activation, most importantly I think it was in your fingers, so you could type the thought into a YouTube comment and hit send. The inexorability of human publication rests on our faculty of opinion.
@Skarloey Thomas I cerebrate you’re leaving a replication because you had a noetic conception. The neurones in your encephalon fired and engendered a phrenic conception, and you determinately ended up parsing that thought into motor activation, most importantly I cerebrate it was in your fingers, so you could inscribe the phrenic conception into a comment and hit send. The inexorability of human publication reposes on our faculty of opinion.
if you lived during that era you would've been one of the bystanders offering completely obvious and pointless solutions without actually doing anything
Miller was amazing. He risked his life for a complete stranger. So were homer and gerald. True heroes.
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Leon Connelly2022-09-29 22:22:35 (edited 2022-09-29 22:22:51 )
Miller had no experience with cave dwelling I assume, just unbelievable bravery and moral fortitude to throw yourself into so something dangerous that you know nothing about to save someone you don’t even know. A testament to human capacity for kindness and self sacrifice
But i got so mad at the people who are just sitting outside. Being no help and actually making it worse.
I hate it so much when something bad happens today and the first thing peopledo. is to get their phone out to film it. Yes things should be recorded. so it may not be forgotten but when everyone do it. then be useless and do it for the cloud. It's makes me so mad.
internet historian’s ‘Hide the Pain Harold’ 10 year old meme facade always makes me want to giggle. I love ❤️ you internet historian. you are the voice of my generation
As horrible as Floyd's fate was, at least he technically accomplished his dream of turning Sand Cave into a major tourist attraction, albeit in the worst way possible. Probably one of the most effed up "be careful what you wish for" moments in history.
I am sad to say I have just been informed that the number has changed from 420 to a less cool number. I hope we can cometogether as a community and fix this.
@pyrobeav2005 Yeah, considering the "turnaround" point, he would've needed to make that cave WAY wider and way more stable before people would consider going in.
William Miller is such a chad. Actual good journalist, brave enough to plumb the depths and responsible for bringing so much interest and so many resources to this situation!
@Kade Bah they were all such idek if I would do what they did but I definitely wanted everything to be done during this story and the end was so disappointing
@N3cr0 X3n0bi4 There’s always been journalists like that. Even in this story, people were publishing rumors about the whole thing being fakes without any real evidence to back it up. Just goes to show that clout chasing has been a thing for centuries.
@N3cr0 X3n0bi4 Well, journalist have always been like that. That's why he was exceptional and outstanding! No other reporters of his time were willing to brave the tunnels.
@Ikashio It wasn't necessarily the interest that collapsed the cave. It was because people were being incompetent. They were told to stay out of the cave because running around in it could make it collapse. And once again no, Miller did not bring interest to the cave. This was quite literally covered by multiple journalist before Miller came and already had crowds forming.
@Ikashio Oh god. Yes, there is interest, but ultimately what happened in the end was people being incompetent and stepping into the cave that caused it.
Halfway through I was ready to let the cave keep Floyd. Sometimes when humans get too brave, when they underestimate nature, when they forget to fear and respect her, She reminds us of her power.
Nature is not to be respected, nature is to be used and controlled, we almost rule this planet, and soon the solar-system and after that will take the galaxy by storm.
Miller is a real g Imagine going all that way thinking you're just going to interview a couple people, then going caving for the first time in your life, in a cave where someone was dying. And then going back again and again and again
Dozens of grizzled farm men chickened out of that cave after seeing the squeeze, meanwhile this one determined city boy comes in and pushes through despite being totally inexperienced and scared shitless, simply because he feels so ashamed to turn back, knowing someone is on the other side.
@Timeward Bizarre inversion, isn't it? Course, it could just as easily have gone that he got himself jammed in the Squeeze, further delaying rescue attempts, maybe causing Floyd to die earlier and maybe getting himself killed in the process, and everyone would be raging at the dumb-ass city boy who thought he could be a hero. But, I'm glad that didn't happen and he was one of the few people initially on the scene with the balls to do the right thing.
Just goes to show the line between bravery and stupidity is razor thin.
damn Miller must have been an actual champ to be able to get all the way down there despite his lack of any experience with caves, like damn man was determined
This is, unironically, one of the most terrifying videos I ever saw. Just imaging being in that situation just makes my skin crawl and gives me the shivers. Thanks IH, Wendigoon, and the rest
Eh, the nice thing is this doesn't happen to anyone on accident. It takes putting yourself into this kind of situation. That guy who was just driving around with his wife and a piece of metal came off the semi truck in front and decapitated his wife with their kids in the back seat is far more terrifying that it really happens to people.
Having never heard of this before, I genuinely had a lot of hope that he would be rescued, and now I just feel so empty inside. The determination with which his brother, his friend and that incredible reporter pressed on is so admirable, but knowing now how it all ended, it's just so heartbreaking.
i felt the same but its kind of an optimistic story that they never stopped fighting and trying to do the right thing despite all odds, and finally removed him from the cave.
@Şakir Abdullayev Next time don't read the comments before finishing the video?
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High Definition2022-09-29 21:40:01 (edited 2022-09-29 21:41:33 )
@GoklasM are you being obnoxious on purpose or
Yes everyone dies, but the story is how this one man died in a cave after hours of trying to get him out. That's not the same thing as any random person dying lmao
I’ve never heard of this but all the other stories I’ve heard of people getting stuck in caves end the same way sadly. Nutty putty is an insanely horrific story
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Leon Connelly2022-09-29 22:27:43 (edited 2022-09-29 22:28:17 )
@TheHopelessGamerz it does make them less talked about sadly though. This was a huge story at the time but no one knows about anything about it cause it just has a very sad ending. Heroism is only really celebrated if there’s a result unfortunately
Why didn’t they drill a gear in the wall facing the entrance for a more clean pull combined with someone crowbarring the boulder holding his foot in place with a much longer crowbar?
There were like 8 different points where I was like "well certainly this story has to be almost over" only to realize there was like 35 minutes left in the video. What a crazy story.
I got wedged in a cave once. I was stuck for ten minutes and I was with people and it’s the most scared I’ve ever been. Can’t imagine being stuck this long without company
and the fact that his friend had helped him out of a tough spot in a cave previously? like i can't imagine ever wanting to go in a cave again if i got stuck for even a minute
My clostrophobia would literally send me into shock as that would kill me in less than 5 minutes. Tbh I was pretty stressed watching this and I feel pretty bad that Floyd had to endure everything just to die in the end.
@blueberry seriously, this is my whole philosophy on white water rafting. The day I go in the water is probably gonna be the last time I go. Happened to my mom and she hasn't been since lol.
I wasn't even in any danger and being a in a publicly available "safe" cave only 30 feet in was too much. How some people can cave dive and the like is beyond me
if there is a hell. all the people that went to gawk at Floyd's body went there when they died and good riddance. there is no way to spin it to agree with moral decency. not to mention everyone complicit in the spectacle. but they were such bastards that they were probably condemned to eternal hellfire long before this action.
Many times over the years, my Grandma has told me the story of the time her dad and a few other men were trapped in the local coal mine, and how at one point, a hole had been dug through to the trapped miners, only to collapse before any of them could get through. I love the idea of abandoned mines, long-slumbering caverns, forgotten bunkers, and never-before-seen caves, but YOU AIN'T GONNA FIND ME IN ANY OF THEM!
Something horrible that I think was not mentioned, maybe on purpose, was that Floyd was being fed consistently coffee and sandwiches. However, he was pinned flat for two weeks in gravel. So that means for two weeks he was relieving himself in to his own pants.
Now that’s absolutely terrible. Not only was he stuck in cold darkness, every upwind breeze would bring the stench of his own accumulating defecations. Cold, fatigued, with painful bed soars beyond imagination, topped off by having to smell your own waste. Every single sense he had (touch, smell, taste, temperature, sight) was torture. And if you don’t think taste was affected, trying smelling waste for 14 days straight, it will eventually make it to your mouth.
May God rest Floyd’s soul to peace. Even in Heaven I hope the memory experience of his own death was erased from his ethereal mind.
Oh my Lord I didn't even think about that aspect 2 weeks of that plus the water that was accumulating would have mixed and surely caused infections to those bed sores
everything you smell is also "touching" your tongue in particles. Everytime you smell sometthing odd it´s also laying there in bits and pieces. Better try not to imagine that. But anyway, you´re welcome. :D
All while having false hope. I got nausea thinking about his sufferring. Never gagged from a story before. Im a tough dude but the thought of his sufferring is far too great.
@Dylan McShane A reminder that fortune favors the bold, but she does not always answer them. When you step out on any endeavor, you place yourself at risk. Sometimes the clapjaws of terrible and wretched doom snap shut.
Just made the connection that he probably died when the lightbulb died because it was the only thing keeping him warm down there. The coroner saying he died from exposure around the time the bulb went out is really sad. It was his lifeline and I imagine his hoped dimmed as the light did. Very sad. Utterly terrifying.
Just so you know... this is not a bs comment "oh I say this everywhere" ... no... You're legit the only one I watch and enjoy the production of the ads on your vids :)
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Lord Zuko2022-10-31 14:05:26 (edited 2022-10-31 14:05:38 )
Why didnt the authorities intervened sooner? Such an extremely sad story.
The story telling here was perfect. My heart actually sank in my chest every time a big setback happened. The second time the squeeze got covered was by far the worst one... That man suffered through hell. If I was him I honestly might have asked someone to bring a pistol and shoot me.
I would've asked for the pistol immediately. This is genuinely one of the worst ways you could die and it's baffling to me that cave diving, especially by yourself, is a real thing.
@Yuutaruu The normally most terrifying, but in this case likely merciful, thing about carbon monoxide in the amount this would've produced is that he would've been unconscious in minutes and dead not long after. A far quicker and less painful death than slowly wasting away in a cold puddle in the pitch dark, unable to move the whole while.
@Thicc Thicc Thicc As opposed to slowly dying from cold, hunger and thirst. The monoxide will kill him faster in relative terms, but in real time, it takes time to asphyxiate and it's painful. Ergo, the diesel fumes merci kill is not a good solution.
@Yuutaruu You don't quite understand how carbon monoxide poisoning works, and why it's a popular suicide option. It's silent but deadly, and you can have little to no symptoms.
Carbon monoxide displaces oxygen in your body and you get drowsy within minutes. Then before you know it, you're knocked out so you don't feel any pain, and you just never wake up again.
The fumes aren't really a choking hazard and won't cause any chemical burns either. So your lungs wont be drowning in blood or anything like that.
Miller being so dedicated and risking his own safety going through the squeeze time and time again for a total stranger is the kind of man one wishes they could be.
This was one of the most tense and saddest stories I have ever heard. What that poor man felt, cold, hungry, scared...gosh. I legit cried when it turned out he was dead. Then the utterly reprehensible way his body was treated...may he rest in peace.
For what i received i passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the scriptures 1 Corinthians 15 3
@Konrad • Our guy is saying that he cried at this utterly sad story... And from all of THAT book made of MORE books, you throw that quote? I am very sure, even though I can't remember any, that there are more empathetic passages somewhere in there, like, c'mon
I think what makes this story even more tragic is that it probably would have been much easier had it not become such a big media event. If all those people hadn't decided to camp outside the cave and set up fires and whatnot, it's less likely that the whole system would have collapsed.
@lain iwakura to their credit it is a fairly obscure story, but as someone else already pointed out here they read the comments, they suffered the consequences.
That's makes no sense to me if you're gonna dig anyway make the whole fing opening big enough to fit an adult first people who go through the squeeze like holes deserve what's coming it's stupid to risk it, digging equipment is cheaper and more compact then ever and more efficient and safer if slow going and solo even back then a small pick, hammer and chisel would be better than hands.
God this was such a rough video to watch. Floyd calling out for help as the hours passed broke me. Haunting, hopeful, heartbreaking. Excellent execution.
@MK Ultra that was one of the most non-religious uses of God ever in a sentence. Literally just a figure of speech. Like saying Holy crap this was such a rough video, Omg this was such a rough video, goodness this was such a rough video.
I personally think religion is stupid but I don't blow my load every time someone says that word on the internet. By all means though don't let me stop you and your fedora wearing boyfriend from circle jerking one another.
@Lukycharms right, because covering the same topic is plagiarism. you have any proof for those claims or are you just gonna expect ppl to take your word for it?
@Lukycharms what 10 other channels can you list them? You’ve commented so many times on different threads just list the channels and give them credit if what you are saying is true
@Lukycharms man look at this bot literally gatekeeping a cave story as if there aren't other youtubers telling it, it dont fucking matter bro its the internet, what are you going to do call the copyright police from 1920s?
@Lukycharms You must be riot at parties. That's...if people actually invite your miserable ass. In the story, you would be the person who started the rumors that the whole thing was a hoax.
I found it so heart-breaking that he died with the lightbulb, as though the hope of the light was the last thing keeping him alive. When the light was gone maybe he felt as though he had finally been forgotten and left to die completely alone and in complete darkness, unaware of he incredible redoubling of effort, will and humanity still very much trying to rescue him.
good god that was a rollercoaster. Funny how Internet Historian started out as regaling stories from the internet, now he is like a proper historian who is on the internet. such amazing content
@Ealdy yeah they can do research. So can researchers.. but can't they simply compile the research of others and... I think I just created a paradox. Good day!
This was a difficult one to watch, on one hand I love the IH and this video’s quality is top notch, but holy shit the amount of second hand anxiety I got from this story was almost too much. I’m never setting foot in a cave if I can help it.
You ever see that post that compares areas where people go missing, and areas where there are tons of cave systems? I don't know how accurate those are, but that's enough to keep me away from them.
I love this smaller story of a reporter from out of town walking past the men proudly flaunting their caving expertise for possibly the biggest scoop of his life and pressing past the turnaround point first try. And even sticking around to save his life on many occasions, failure or no he has the mind body and soul of a hero, William Miller.
I was listening to this while I was working, and I just broke down when they finally reached Floyd, way too late. Then just felt even worse when I listened to the horrible things done to his corpse just to make a quick buck. This story really did show some of the best and worst humanity has to offer.
Shout-out to Miller, though. Dude came in looking for a huge scoop, ended up risking neck and limb trying so damn hard to save Floyd, who he barely knew at all. And even turned down the opportunity of being set for life out of respect for Floyd.
Miller was also the first person besides Floyd's brother that actually had the balls to go deep enough to see and talk to him, despite the crowd outside that made a big show of support, along with people that were probably way more experienced in exploring caves. He seems like a really respectable dude
Isn't it funny how big execs were like 10 years late to making marvel movies that anyone cared about lol. If they had been out in like 2010 everyone would have coomed their pants. Now all the big companies are tied up in owning the rights and they're useless LOLLllllll
Most mcu and superhero movies suck actually. Because they are not made by people who actually read the comic books. This video is better than most hollywood movies of the last years.
I heard Floyd's story before, I knew how it ended, but somehow I thought "maybe I misremembered it and he really does get out" but no. Your storytelling gave me hope for someone I knew died in the end.
My heart goes out to the brother, childhood friend, and reporter trying so hard for so long, repeatedly disrupted by know-nothing bystanders and Floyd's vile father only for his body to be strung up for decoration. God that made me fill ill.
Tbf what was his brother thinking? He knew it was getting bought by a dentist and didn’t think to move the body to a normal grave? The ending could have been a decent one if they had common sense it seems.
@Life of Diggy As I understood it, it was the father who owned the land, was a bit senile, and decided to sell it under these conditions. The brother protested the deal but couldn't do anything
@PaxAeeternum That's fine, but if you knew your land was getting bought and your famous brother's dead body was buried there it would be common sense to take the body to somewhere where it cannot be abused... If i was the brother i would be moving that body asap as soon as i hear the land is getting bought.
Ah yes caving…. the dumbest of adventurous excursions.
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Diego G2022-09-29 15:31:49 (edited 2022-09-29 16:26:07 )
I love the character of Miller. He just went to get the story for the paper, but even without any caving experience was the only one brave enough to reach Floyd. He ends up being involved as one of the primary rescue people, not because he was more skilled, just because he was braver and he cared more than most.
The town's folk knew the danger and didn't realize it was possible to save him to begin with. They were experienced and knew if a veteran of cave rescues can't do it a random farmer couldn't either. Miller had the benefit of ignorance and bravery, and once there likely saw Floyd suffering and felt determined to help him. It was extremely selfless because it would just as easy to sit back and document the whole event rather than help him but miller dove in even doing a couple of things I wouldn't dare dream of like the jack portion.
I figured he was dead the moment he smashed his lantern, but it did not feel good having to watch this train wreck happen in slow motion-especially when he was so close to rescue
@Logan I mean I did too when is lantern was shattered. But when the rescue operations started and he was being well fed I thought the man would actually survive. I thought he would still hang on knowing that there are so many people working to save him. Such a sad ending.
@Nopperabou don't scroll down to the comments you lemming. No you are worse than a lemming. Lemmings were chased and forced to jump off cliffs. You went in without being chased.
@Nopperabou The number 1 rule since YouTube's inception is don't read comments unless you want spoilers. I have been here for 10 years and never seen a "spoiler tag"
@C Porter Most of this video is accurate. He only got a couple of things wrong from what I've read. They didn't pull Floyd out after they buried him not because it was unsafe, but because they couldn't get to the rock that had his leg pinned. That's why Homer dug an entirely new tunnel months later. He also said that Floyd's body was displayed in Sand Cave when it was actually displayed in Crystal Cave. Everything else was correct. I do think he somewhat plagiarized a Mental Floss article from 2018 about Floyd too.
@Mr. Shickadance everything that you listed here are major things. It changes the whole narrative. Crystal Cave was Floyd's Discovery and life work. It was the whole reason why he was at Sand Cave to begin with, and the reality of the situation too. I had to make a 50-minute long video just detailing all of the major shit he got wrong, and a little bit of the minor stuff thrown in there too.
@C Porter Not really. Whether Floyd was kept in Crystal Cave or Sand Cave doesn't change much of anything about the overall story. He should've gotten that detail right, but it's not a big deal. The other point I made isn't a big deal either.
@Mr. Shickadance his entire narrative is that sand cave spins fate against floyd, and wants to keep him forever. How does this not absolutely destroy that illogical narrative from the ground up?
@C Porter Oh it does, but that's not his "entire narrative". That's an aside to the general story of Floyd's fate. It doesn't change that story in a way that really matters.
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C Porter2022-10-22 20:46:56 (edited 2022-10-22 20:48:56 )
@Mr. Shickadance how? Crystal Cave is why Floyd got to Sand Cave in the first place, and Crystal Cave is how Floyd spent roughly 50 years of his death being further disrespected, mutilated, tossed around and thrown about. Crystal Cave is Floyd's True Legacy as well, as it's pretty much the reason why we even have the Mammoth Cave region how it actually is to this day. By the way his narrative is only about the tragedy, and nothing else. Not even a hint as to anything else apart from the tragedy, which Floyd has been extremely Monumental in reshaping the entire area of Central Kentucky as we know it.
@C Porter You're still not telling me how this changes the story in a meaningful way. The fact that he was kept in Crystal Cave and not Sand Cave doesn't change the fact that he was kept in a coffin in a cave, and his corpse was vandalized. The story doesn't change. These are details that he should've gotten right, but it's like IMDB trivia stuff and not some kind of plothole like you're making it out to be.
I love how you just had to characterize the only reason you even know about any of these events as a parasite. Besides the abysmal pay, the sheer disrespect I experienced as a journalist is the main reason (out of many) that I quit the profession entirely. It was my life's dream to be a newspaper reporter and once I achieved that goal I literally went insane and enlisted in the army with an 11x option 40 contract (This is a contract that has you sent to Fort Benning, GA for training as an infantryman, followed by airborne school. I had literally several dozen people attempt to discourage me from doing this, including every single NCO working the recruiting office, as I had a degree and a 98 ASVAB score. I ended up going to Afghanistan twice for a total of over two years, of which I experienced an approximate total of 30 days or so that I did not participate in a firefight, and where I was riding inside a vehicle that was blown up by an IED, and where I had to do many things that I'm proud of as well as many things that I'm not proud of and which will weigh heavily on my shoulders until the day I must finally answer to God for them.). My point is that you should try to have a little more respect for the profession of journalism, as there are a great many journalists deserving of said respect, and because it is a necessary profession in a free society.
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C Porter2022-10-23 05:45:12 (edited 2022-10-23 05:46:04 )
@Joel Glanton IH displays him as a bit parasitic, which he wasn't. And Ace In The Hole (A fictional retelling of Floyd Collins done in 1951) who recreates Skeets in a new light does more of it. Blame IH for making a poor as fuck video about the event.
@Joel Glanton The parasitic industry of media has been dragging journalism through the mud for decades, what did you expect?
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yo ma2022-10-23 14:05:50 (edited 2022-10-23 14:06:04 )
There are parasitic journalists and there are real journalists, Miller just happened to be the latter, he didn't "rise" up like it was some character arc in a fictional tale. That's who he was as a person.
@C Porter how was he misrepresented? Did Miller not go down there to interview Floyd with the intention of eventually saving him for a great story? While a bit parasitic, his means definitely justify his ends
I mean, how was he ever a parasitic journalist? I know it's popular nowadays to hate on journalists because of how they appear on broadcast news. It's worth noting that broadcast news isn't real journalism. Newspapers is where a vast majority of real journalism comes from. Hell, broadcast news steals most of its stories from the paper anyways.
Miller was just there doing his job when he was asking questions. But he went well above and beyond the call of duty. But ignoring that, don't hate the guy for doing his job. Journalism is really important and is a dying art form because everyone thinks that what they see on Fox and CNN is an accurate portrayal of the profession as a whole.
@Doggy ACKSHULLY: false stories were far more common in the days before telegrams. They may have been more respected, but mostly because the readers heard what they wanted to, and didn't have any way to fact check.
And to this day, many mainstream news sources are used to launder misinformation to attack people, groups, and causes they want attacked.
@Mr. Shickadance When he keeps on hammering the point that 'the cave wasn't letting Floyd go', it kind of does. It would be nice to mention that Floyd was at least buried alongside his life's work, although I'm sure that didn't particularly soothe his family.
As a Kentuckian, I've heard the story of Floyd Collins a lot. This was a masterful telling of Floyd's ordeal, handled with expertise, humor, and all the respect it deserves.
I still think the most chilling part of the story is the account of Casey Jones and Floyd calling him down to be trapped with him. Casey was truly in an unenviable position, and it just sends shivers up my spine. Floyd was effectively "tricking" Casey into being trapped, but just through (understandable) desperation and fear. Just scary to think about.
I dunno about that, Floyd wasn't aware of the trapping issues above, he just wanted to not be alone, but I believe if he could have magically had full knowledge he wouldn't have done that, and as such the assumption about his motivation is possibly wrong.
@jama211 I completely agree, not to mention he was delirious and had been literally dying for days on end. I seriously doubt he was trying to purposefully trap people. He was cold, scared, and didn’t want to die all alone. Pretty simple but not as dramatic. Still loved the video though
There's barely any respect in this whatsoever. So many things are crucially wrong with this highly ficticious telling of the story. And I don't mean that as in just the humor, but by how IH gets even the most basic of well known facts about Floyd entirely wrong just so it can fit this narrative. Or perhaps he's just shittier at researching into it than I thought was even possible.
And before all the backlash starts: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer in comment sections, by people who instead of looking into it themselves jump straight to believing i'm talking out my ass. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about, and it will be out in the next few days hopefully. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context as to tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
@C Porter this is my first introduction to the story. If you listed some of the inaccuracies elsewhere could you copy and paste them here? Again, I'm not really familiar with the story so I can't even argue either way. I'm just curious about some of your perspective. No need to list everything of course.
@Not Tellingyou I've done it in other comment sections, let me see if I can find it and copy and paste. (these are within the top 5 comments here replies)
The fact that the light bulb was still functioning and that they could use the cable to detect breathing is amazing. Still, I have this pit at my stomach thinking about being alone under 60ft of earth with nothing but a light bulb. How did he feel when he thought they had abandoned him? All he had was that little light, maybe he though that it went out because they switched the power off.
To make things hopefully a little less upsetting, I think the lightbulb was only keeping him warm. He most likely was already in a coma-like state due to the lack of oxygen/nutrition and when his body lost heat,he went from sleep to perma-sleep.
@Darg It makes sense he died the moment it went out, it was the only source of heat he had so hypothermia finally got to him. When you are stuck between rocks the mountain literally sucks all the heat out of you.
I doubt he was even conscious let alone coherent when the lightbulb finally went out. They estimated he died very close to when the light bulb burnt out.
He probably died because the light bulb burned out. If you've been born prior to the 2000s, you'll probably remember that those incandescent light bulbs burn really hot. And it's not just the bulb itself that's hot. The light they produce is most IR like the sun's, and feels hot when shone on your skin, or on surrounding objects. Maybe it was even enough to heat his body, and his surroundings. I still have some of those bulbs, and I use them order to keep warm chicks, kittens or other small animals during the winter.
His brother is an actual legend, massive respect even though this was almost a century ago. Also his friend was commendable as well, and the many others who actually did a thing, don't underestimate true comradery!
ohh no, but thx for the spoiler. I mean it. I am 4 minutes in but I am stopping now. I never thought I am not claustrophobic, but apperently Iam. I got the chills wachting this.
@Aristotiles von Tight It's a really good story, but if you really can't handle it then sadge. I got claustrophobic a couple of times but my morbid curiosity is stronger.
@Stanko Barabata I can handle it the question is if I want to. Some people are into horrror and gore moives. I am not. Its not that I cant handle fear or disgust it is just not entertaining for. Why would I be "sadge". I am cool with my decision...
I was so infuriated when it got to the people and the media claiming it was a hoax, despite the fact that this all happened long before I was born. Funny how that works.
@a o No, you sad little child, you are choosing to read the comments. Nobody is telling you that you're not allowed to, they are trying to very politely explain to you that you spoiled it for yourself by reading comments and you have nobody else to blame for that.
You are touching the stove and screaming, then when someone tells you not to touch the stove you start screaming about how you can touch the stove if you want. Yes, you can, and you will get burnt.
2:47 does anyone know what this song is? i cant find it through the list and i really dont have the time to listen to every song lmao, thank you in advance
Miller was there for the content of the story but stayed to geniunely help Floyd to be rescued. Sadly he died, I'm sure he remembered those moments they talked in that cave. Such a wild story and undeniably a good reason why its popular for years to come. Rest in Peace Floyd.
"For the content" lol. Miller was for sure one of the most kind hearted people to ever walk this earth. You may ask why. Ask yourself if you were a reporter: Would you risk your life like he did? Your job was to report to a newspaper not to save a person, would you still keep risking your life? you have never been in a cave before and have no experience, do you still do it? Everything seems to point the other way. Miller must have had a lot of compassion and willpower. What a manly man!
@Adrian The Normie I thinks it's Miller as a person than as a profession. I doubt many journalists of his time would go through that much effort for a person and story. Miller is "one of a kind" you could say.
He made the cave feel like a monster. The cave lured Floyd in with promises of riches. It trapped him. It played with him by not killing him immediately but slowly while also allowing him to build hope, so it could destroy all of it when he thought he could finally get out. It killed him after the game got boring but didn't let him go. It controlled the universe itself, so he always returned to it no matter what happened. It only let him go when it ran out of tricks. A terrifying monster
@Matteo Mastrodomenico I can't imagine the desperation Floyd was feeling after so many days in darkness knowing the cave was about to collapse again. No wonder the guy heard muffled sobbing.
Why isn't anybody talking about Gerald? He's truly one of the best people of the entire operation, doing by far the most progress to try and free Floyd before the cave, well, closed himself. He's such a great friend, despite all the time that has passed, he was still there for him.
He could have saved him if it wasn't for the ignorance of the tourists...
More respect for Miller, he's only in it for journalism but my man, he's one of the most dedicated member on saving Floyd! He even refused to profit from it!
@「Iberis」 I probably have the most respect for miller, due to him having all the reasons in the world not to help him, and only doing it for the money, and yet he still helped him and refused most of the big bucks
Shame he didn't arrive before it became a massive spectacle, if he were the first, second or even third person down there, things could have ended very differently
I want people, while going through this entire comments section, to keep it in the back of their mind that likely every person writing anything here would've been culpable for the man's death if they had been around at the same time.
"why is nobody talking about" dude it's a comment section, unless someone is talking to you don't feel so left out about the conversation topics you damn weirdo
@TwerkToSpec you are certainly the "weirdo" here. For some reason you don't like a man who sacrificed his career and life for another random man. Shows a lot about you.
@Clickbait Cancer We have no way of knowing if that massive spectacle is how he even heard about it or not though. Sure, the later gatherings shouldn't have happened, but the news of the event might have been the only reason he even got word of it. Information was slow back then
@Approach Cautiously I'm aware, it's purely hypothetical, I would say that's the most likely way he heard about it, considering he didn't arrive before it became a large news story
@Davy Machinegun Well, this was in an era were cave rescues were still a relatively new concept. Now we have definitive plans and rescue authorities specifically for people trapped in caves/mines.
Now it would be "what if it causes his temperature to go up to like 99°? What if it causes cave gases to explode? What if it leaves a permanent mark on his shirt?... 🤔... he could sue 😬 --- Mine owner: hey, I'm puttin 2 kids through college 🤷 --- County commish: The money's just not in th budget for a major lawsuit😢 --- Governor: I mean...you know I would... but with elections in just 3 and a half years... 😒
@Goose all will be revealed in the future to come and many things also like "people" who rule earth are Reptilians. If you search Nesara Gesara law all of these will and some are already in effect. Isn't obvious that the Georgian Guidestones were destroyed? It was made by the Cabal
The hour counter keeps bringing me to tears — there can be nothing so terrifying as spending so long, often alone, in the dark and virtually hopeless. Floyd’s later hope is so inspiring.
Well, Floyd himself didn't die until he was completely buried, and I guess lot of people in the city were pretty skilled in caving due to it being big truism business there
As silly as Internet Historian likes to be, this video really shows how much of a talented story teller he is. I'd never heard of this story before and was absolutely glued to my phone, hoping that Floyd would make it until the very end! It's so well done. Now I'm watching it a second time and it really hits different knowing what happens.
I mean, I agree that the narration was well done, but it was amateurish in the fact that he gave up how this story was going to end at the beginning. The words that he used all but told you that Floyd wasnt making it out 😞
IH is a genuinely exceptional creator in that just about all of his videos, regardless of the channel/format, stand up to watching them more than once. For instance, the pace and timing of the early Storymode vids are crackerjack, it's like listening to music.
@howdocowsfly cute quote. You can set me up with the bestest, funnest road trip eva! But I aint getting on board if I know the destination is Hell 💀...
I was devastated when I heard the ending, even wondering what could I possibly even learn from this. But then I thought, "If it weren't for IH, I would never have heard of Floyd to begin with." And that, in and of itself, is worse by having Floyd's memory pass into nothingness. Forgotten by time. Everyone who watched this tonight will remember a man we never met, yet felt his pain down in that cave. And I hope it gives him peace knowing that we're thinking of him. Even after all these years.
Somewhere in the afterlife, Floyd is happy that after 100 years, after so many events that are way worse than his imprisonment and death, people still care about him
Well not for nothing, but the story of Floyd Collins is a piece of American history that comes around into the zeitgeist every so often. There is a very well written musical that had a run about a decade ago, for example.
I had never heard about this before. So I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Really, Homer and Miller were the real MVPs. But man, the miner that was almost tricked into staying with Floyd having to leave him behind and listen to his sobbing before the cave collapsed must have haunted him for the rest of his life.
I had really hoped the story would have a happy ending and they would have managed to save Floyd. :( Poor guy couldn't be freed from that cave until almost 100 years later. I'm glad his body was finally able to escape.
@qwerkyqwerty I knew it was the end the moment the gravel came down. Your very blood quickly becomes toxic, and the moment it circulates again you are screwed.
i knew of this from awhile ago but the way this video was made and regardless of me knowing the outcome i was still on the edge of my seat. It's also been a long enough time that i couldnt remember how long it took etc.
No, he should of put his arms up and outstretched; putting them at his side makes his body wider. And then he would have had “crawling” power. That was kind of dumb 😵💫🫣🤷♀️. 💟☮️🌻
Just imagining the poor man not being able to move at all, having to defacate where he was stuck, the creeping cold and complete darkness, the dwindling hope, the highly possible delirium and hallucinations setting in... Yeaah. Terrible way to go. I hope he fell unconcious and atleast passed in peace.
And then along comes that one lowest scum of the earth who scams his father, defiles his grave and drags his body back into the cave for profiteering. I'm not usually one for capital punishment or mob justice but that guy I would've gladly buried alive. Literally, no joke at all.
There are worse caver deaths, see the "nutty butte"r cave when the caver was trapped with his body facing down, or the case of the caver trapped with his body hanging facing down down from a rope while being drenched in ice cold water...
He didn’t keep his sanity, he tried to get a man entombed with him, perfectly understandable given the stress he was under but you know he clearly had somewhat lost it
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Leon Connelly2022-09-29 22:42:15 (edited 2022-09-29 22:45:43 )
@The Boshy he said it himself he had hope and genuine hope there were people who cared about him and were doing all they could to get him out. The worst ones are where they know there’s no hope like with nutty putty that guy knew he was never getting out almost immediately, being upside down meant that his legs were drained of blood so even moving him at all was so painful and he would die of shock. He was just waiting to die and he had no time to go mad or come to terms with it he died in 24 hours, I honestly would rather have some time to think about my life and at least know there were people who cared about me enough to risk there own lives to save me, there was nothing anyone could do with that poor nutty putty guy
a god honest truth, nobody would gave a fuck about me trapped in a hole like that. If anyone came down to try id ask them to put me outta my damn misery
That's what i thought, pulley or just a piece of steel in the bend of the cave. At the end of the day they did their best and we cant blame them for that.
I would never expect to be on edge watching a documentary that looks like it's animated with primarily pngs. You're genuinely a great writer and filmamaker. bravo
41:42 Casey having to leave, only being able to watch as the light disappears and he hears sobbing of the man he had to leave behind. I wonder how much guilt he felt from that moment, it’s too horrible to imagine
@Ceri-Ann I can only imagine that if he was still conscious or lucid, he might have heard or felt at least some of the rescue attempt. They were mining day/night and dropping dynamite right above his head up until 3 days after he passed. At the very least he was aware of how much people fought to free him before the collapse.
Or the pride knowing he'd done everything he'd expect from another to do everything within their power to reach rescue and only turned back when he knew that rescue was basically Impossible due to deteriorating conditions he'd even tried to avoid. Unfortunately doing something that prone to misadventures without sleep probably would've resulted in even more deaths. Im sure though he never forgot that moment after he'd barely avoided being knocked unconscious.. and he knew that his friend would end up paying for his life, for this hobby that the two had shared many successful triumphant expeditions and also a number of hairy situations
I don't know why he'd feel any guilt. Staying would have been signing a suicide pact (at least as far as he knew. Casey PROBABLY could have survived long enough until the dig team got to them so that he could get out). There was no way for Casey to save him. It'd be like people at the theatre feeling guilty that they didn't save Lincoln from John Wilkes Booth. There was nothing he could have done.
The saddest part about this story is that each time, they were so close to actually figuring something out, only for the situation to change right before they could implement anything. Bad luck, poor timing and the time lost in-between killed Floyd.
Like if they had a pulley anchored to the floor in front of Floyd's head so it pulled him straight out they may have been able to get him out without pulling him up into the rock.
On one hand, its a miserable, sad story about a man's untimely death despite the futile struggle to save him, and the brazen disrespect of his corpse. But on the other hand, there's something really touching about people banding together and doing everything they can to save a man who is, to most of them, a total stranger. Dying trapped in a horrible dark cave is bad, but dying with no one caring about you is, in my opinion, worse. And for all he suffered through, at least Floyd died with likely millions across the country caring about him.
@Cautemoc I mean he was Decently experienced and climbing through tiny passageways like that isn't super uncommon I honestly believe had he not broke the lantern he wouldn't have gotten stuck. I feel like if they had just stuck with what was working immediately then he would've lived.
@Marz I think even back then it was common knowledge that if you're going into an unexplored area, bring a person with you. It was objectively bad decision-making on his part. Doesn't deserve death obviously but he put himself there from multiple bad decisions.
@Cautemoc it probably was common knowledge but it's still common today and people still do it. It's not a good decision but when you hike or go spelunking as often as you go grocery shopping it becomes a routine, like he said in the video he had been working on it for some time which meant he was most likely used to going down there plus if that's the only way into the cave and he knew the formation down there would be great tourism it means he made it through that cave before just to find that formation he was only digging it wider for tourists as it would be difficult for novices and most likely dangerous. Did he make a dumb Decision yes but people did know where he was which is one of the main rules of hiking or just exploring alone MAKE SURE SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE. Since he spent so long in caves before its a miracle they checked on him only 23 hours after getting stuck. It sucks but when your so used to a routine you can make mistakes and he made 1 that cost him his life
@Hank J. Wimbleton I was referring to the on-lookers, but you're right, nice that people did eventually begin to give their all to the rescue. This story literally kept me from getting sleep last night. I shouldn't have watched this.
To think, a well placed pulley to change the direction of the direct pulling force on Floyd’s body might’ve saved Floyd from having to endure one of the worst deaths imaginable.
The part where he lied about needing water and intended to trap that other guy down there just to avoid being alone was so fucking dark, and completely understandable
Agreed, it makes me think of that one saying along the lines of "A drowning man will always try to drag somebody down with him." Given how delirious he must have been from being trapped down there, I can't even bring myself to scorn him for that. It's awful, but it's understandable.
Understandable? Floyd was essentially asking that guy (who had a family, I did my research) to die simply because he didn't want to die alone. He wasn't in his right mind which is why he said it, so I guess it is technically understandable because I understand why he said it, but it's still seriously fucked.
@FORK LIFT Pretty sure Floyd wasn't in the right headspace from, you know, being trapped in a cave for 114 hours at that point. On top of being wounded and delirious. There's no "suppose" when you're in that state, all he knew was that he desperately didn't want to be alone.
Considering the timeline, I wonder if he might have heard their rescue dig attempt in his last couple days since they'd gotten somewhat close. But if he was delirious or out of it, possibly not. We can only imagine.
@Kektus He'd have heard the dynamite, but he would have been completely delusional from lack of food and water. He'd have had no concept of what the sounds meant. But when the light went out.... fuck man. I can't think of words to describe how I imagine that experience to be.
Can I use that "Tankmania" code on War Thunder as well? Because that is an objectively better game than WoT, and after watching this video I ofc deserve the free stuff.
I'm convinced internet historian is THE BEST storyteller on youtube. Period. Even the ads are extremely entertaining. When I started this video I looked at that daunting 1hr run time and thought maybe I would save it for later. 5mins in I was hooked and there was no way I was turning it off. God tier content.
True. My gf and I watched it and she commented - this was terrible! Why did we even watch this, we lost 30 minutes on this. I said it was actuall 1h09mins and she was quite shocked. Internet Historian is just a master storyteller, there's no denying it. His stuff could easily be premiered in cinemas.
It hurts me, but I have to disagree. The entire cast (IH, Wendigoon, ManyKudos and Ordinary Things for sure at least) are all the absolute best storytellers.
Ya know, I usually don't go for hour-long videos, and coming in, I thought I'd take a break and come back to the video later. And then I sat through the entire thing.
Honestly I was at the edge of my seat wondering what could happen next. The part where he asks the worker to stay despite knowing what would happen is one of my favorites since it shows the desperation this poor man felt. And let’s be honest wendigoon’s photo added 10x more sympathy to it.
I'd say the dramatisation of that moment was a little bit of overkill. I don't think Floyd knew the cave was going to collapse? He just didn't want to be alone for another 24-48 hours without company or support.
@Pikosaur I think likely the worker (not the one near him, the one further back) was calling to his friend something like "Hurry up! This place is going to cave in any second!!" Whether it was meant literally or not, Floyd in his semi-delirious state took it as literal and panicked, resulting in his response.
"I have faced death before; it doesn't frighten me; but it's so long." Absolutely heartbreaking in retrospective, something about that sentiment gets me
Maybe you should give Ted the Caver a try. Quite a few creepy pasta readers have covered him. I believe that story is half true. He's probably an actual caver, but the spooky stuff is fake.
I've had many nightmares where I was crawling in tight caves much like described in the video, and got stuck. No clue why, worst feeling, could hardly watch. All I know is, I'll never crawl through tight caves:P
I feel like I'm not seeing enough people talk about that genuinely terrifying nightmare sequence with the hands pulling Floyd under. I never expected that from an Internet Historian video.
The part that stuck 2ith me is went fllyod said "I'm not afraid of death but it's so slow" as someone who has almost died twice in an ICU this is stuck with me. People think death is quick and painless. Nope you don't choose how you die. It can be fast and painless or long and suffering.
I read this before I saw it. Surely it can't be that bad, I thought. When I tell you I jumped and tried to physically back away from those hands-- I feel you it was horrifying! Historian could make bank on horror, yikes.
The finality, the confident cosmic indifference, the deadpan statement of facts assuring the destruction of a human life. IH fucking nailed that line in it's delivery, and will always remain top tier for their voicework alone!
I will never understand how youtubers are sometimes more capable of conveying suspense than multi-billion dollar movie studios. 5 minutes in and I could feel my heart beating hard. Unbelievable what you guys can do.
No corporation mandate, doesn't need to extend it much after about 1 hour. Alot of horror things on YouTube are usually about 20mins max most the time. No need to make you feel attached to characters that often, no need for sequel bait. Films will do interesting horror parts but before and after are typically boring so no need. Also having tension for a full film is super challenging borderline impossible since the body can only feel so much before getting bored. Like a film of constant pop ups, after about 2 you don't really care anymore
Watch it in very slow motion to see the frames when they flash "You Must Watch This To The End", "World Of Tanks", "You Must Watch The Internet Historian", "Keep Watching", etc. on the screen. They also had those solid Blood Red Frames first used on the original theatrical cut of the movie Psycho. This video even kept my cat's interest until she heard a life flight helicopter landing at the hospital and ran to the window to make her "ack ack, ack ack, ack ack" noise. She makes this noise when ever there is a taste moth, bird or other prey she wants to catch and eat...
It's because it's got his own style to it and he's so amazingly charismatic. Companies do not think like a person because overt opinions can 'offend' people and is hence bad for business, better to stick to think that everyone agrees on (which Is for example why the LGBT and the African American community gets talked about and celebrated so much in their respective months) but he isn't bound by corporate logic and can take risks a company never would
I think a lot of it is volume and consumability. You can watch 6 10 minute youtube videos in an hour basically nonstop from your phone. A lot of youtube is unwatchable and can be skipped seconds in. The real question is why studio execs aren't paying people like the historian to produce movies. A slightly higher budget gentleman pirate would print money.
@WiseOldBill no it’s not just that, it’s just that YouTubers like IH and others are not constricted by executives who worry more about the Chinese market not being happy with black people appearing than a good story… Many YouTubers have complete creative control and that’s still very rare in Hollywood. So it’s interesting how PS cutouts can make you feel more than many big budget movies nowadays lol
because humans tell stories, not a studio or dollars, it only makes it easier, but at the same time if you have every tool available it can be harder to figure out which one to use to tell a story, so it can be harder to be creative. source me
Because the difference between a few people on a Youtube channel and multi-billion dollar movie studios is like the difference in this story between Homer, the journalist, and the firefighter vs. that military officer and the governor who just threw a bunch of money and equipment at the problem.
@AvocadoAddict i think they're more worried about how they can pay lipservice to "diversity" in spite of it not being very profitable. Especially in their biggest market, china.
No studio interference, full creative control, unlimited timeframe... tho tbf this is a real story, he's only relaying facts, that takes out a big chunk of the creative effort imo lol
Look up auteur theory lol. One mans vision is better than 100 executives, that’s why movies suck now.
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Leon Connelly2022-09-29 22:32:16 (edited 2022-09-29 22:32:45 )
@High Definition he has his own style which he’s perfected and is now expanding the limits of. This was definitely a huge Step beyond what he’s made before I wonder where it goes next tho
There’s actually an old Kirk Douglas movie, called ‘Ace in the Hole,’ where he plays a newspaper reporter who talks to & tries to help a man buried in a cave. It’s directed by Billy Wilder & from what I can recall, it was really good. I haven’t seen it in 35+ years, but I can still remember several scenes. The guy in the cave in dies at the end & there’s a huge carnival like atmosphere outside the cave. I’d have to imagine that this was the event on which the movie was based.
There's an old, 50's movie called "Ace in the Hole" that's incredibly similar to this story (maybe inspired by the event? It's almost identical) It's an absolute, 10/10 classic. Highly reccommend.
It only worked out great as a movie narrative because of how IH covered it, I was actually privy to this story from another YouTuber and their coverage of it was somber all the way through.
@Golden Age of Dinosaurs fun fact, Ace in the Hole was an unauthorized version of Floyd Collins' story and there was some lawsuit while they were working on the script.
It's not free, we all gave this man an hour of our lives. Seeing how this video will garner millions of views, it will cost the world millions of hours of time; time that could have been used to solve climate change and perhaps even save the whales. By partaking in this free edutainment, we are neglecting the world and that's why I think Internet Historian should be blamed for global warming.
Miller is an inspiration to Journalists like me. ABOVE AND BEYOND. Even with misplaced intentions in the beginning, he became so passionate and empathetic for Floyd. Getting his message out, while spending so much time with a man who couldn’t move.
I think the first true hint to his character was when he first got to the squeeze. Where almost every single person but Floyd's own brother had turned back before, this man felt so ashamed at the idea of turning back knowing there was a man on the other side, that he pushed through despite his own fear. His own moral code spoke louder than his biggest primal fears. The mark of a man of true character.
Not to mention his refusal of the sellout offer after the fact really outlined his moral character and commitment to the intrinsic rewards of journalism.
I watch true crime and horror movies almost everyday, and this is one of the few times I don’t think I can finish something. That cave zoom out made me nauseous
This was definitely a masterpiece like always but I can't believe I spent an hour praying for a man who fell into a hole 100 years ago only to find out he would not be rescued
The fact that Miller, the poor reporter turned down $1 million for his story, but the dentist abandon all morality for a quick buck disturbing the dead really says something
Miller is a real one he didint even know the guy yet he was one of the only few people to dare go into the squeeze and for context another user wrote this in these comments
"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
Just imagine going trough all that MULTIPLE times for some random guy that you have never heard of before it is seriously worth all the respect that he got and alot more and then after all taht he didint even take the money meaning he did it and did not care about a reward
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M H2022-10-30 22:26:39 (edited 2022-10-30 23:11:00 )
I just read an article about Miller retelling some of his encounter with this rescue. Apparently, the first time he braved the cave, he had to navigate the cave tunnels WITHOUT a light for most of it. Homer accompanied him for some of the journey, but the rest had to be done in the dark. The passage to Floyd was way tighter for a longer distance than the video visuals imply. This is a direct excerpt from it:
"At the very beginning it was necessary to get down on hands and knees. We were in an ooze and slime. The way was downward, not sharply at first, but gradual. Soon Homer and the others turned back and without a light, we butted here and there before finding which way the winding, twisting pathway led. Now it was necessary to get down on my stomach and slide and squirm along, using elbows, and toes to propel me—and occasionally to slow up when I slid along too quickly. In some spots the ooze and slime made a toboggan slide of the passage.
Before I knew it I reached a sharp incline and could not break my speed. The incline made an elbow turn and I caromed head-first against some wet mass. It groaned and moved."
Miller literally slammed into Floyd with his full weight. I love this video as is, but I really wish you put this part in the video!
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C Porter2022-10-23 01:43:45 (edited 2022-11-11 14:06:55 )
Wish he had but honestly, he gets pretty much everything wrong in this video. Don't beleive it definitively. I made a video myself recently where I'm talking about a ton of shit he got wrong in it if anyone's interested.
@C Porter You don't need to shit on someone else's project to promote your own video. If you read the disclaimer at the start it says: "The following is satire and journalistic in nature." He's likely aware of the historical inaccuracies, and cut some stuff down to make it easier to put into one story-time video like this - especially when it comes to the visuals, which would've been really hard to make as it is. Details get lost and muddled in 100 years too, I've read many articles with conflicting points, it's hard to know which one is true, your video may have inaccuracies too as far as you're concerned. I'm not watching your video, solely because I've seen you self advertise it by only shitting on Internet Historian, calling this video "garbage" and whatnot. I don't care about its accuracy - it's also for entertainment. This is basically a 'based on a true story' scenario, films do it all the time. This isn't a BBC documentary, chill out.
@Nabzarella Dare You don't have any idea what journalistic means if you think a video that has literally EVERY source that he uses disagreeing with what he's saying. My own videos' purpose is made in response to this garbage that he made here. You can only use the Satire excuse to a certain extent, and when he presents everything in a way that's supposed to be believable and cinematic, especially for such an obviously obscure story, that line has been crossed.
BBC's Documentaries, from the ones I've seen aren't great themselves. If you don't wanna watch my video that's fine. but just know going forward that any time you eventually do find something you care about being treated as horribly as he is, if you call someone out for it, you're making yourself be a hypocrite.
@C Porter Literally EVERY source? Get the fuck outta here, bro. I've seen sources so close to this video's script that I've seen people accuse IH of ripping off said source. Including the script of Scary Interesting's video and some other article/s. They likely just used the same public sources. You're exaggerating. And yes, you CAN use Satire to this extent. This is a YouTube video, you need to chill. It is a dramatised version of a historical event. Do you stand up during the stage musical of this story too and be like "This isn't accurate! Watch my YouTube video!"
Again, even reading mutiple articles on the story confuses a lot of details. The weight of the rock (for example) changes all the damn time from source to source. Getting some shit wrong and/or changing things around to fit an easy, cohesive narrative (that doesn't go for 2 hours), and to help make the visual reprentation easier to understand/make; was kinda inevitable.
I'm quite passionate about the story of the Titanic, I've seen endless videos and even films getting facts wrong all over the place. I only get mildly annoyed when it's done blatantly disrespectfully, like clickbaity thumbnails showing a photoshopped skeleton with an obnoxious arrow pointed at it like "THeY FoUNd The CaPTaiN!" (even though the Captain's body was never recovered and never will be). Which I don't think this video did with Floyd Collins, even if YOU think so. It still got most people invested in the story, and had people empathizing with Floyd and his demise, the way it's supposed to be. I've seen many reaction videos as proof of this. All the main points are present here, and that's all you really need. Because of that, I DO NOT care about the nitpicky historical details he got wrong. Just like I don't care about the details that James Cameron's Titanic film got wrong, it got the point across just fine - just like this video did, and this video got me interested in a story I had never even heard of. You running around going "MY VidEo BEttuR!" in his video's comment section isn't going to make people respect yours over his, it's likely to have the opposite effect, but go off I guess. It's kinda ironic you're shitting on this video, while you're using it to benefit yourself.
@C Porter From one C Porter to another... you're full of crap.
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C Porter2022-11-04 21:08:30 (edited 2022-11-11 14:16:18 )
@Nabzarella Dare just look at his fucking sources then and see it for yourself! The amount of hypocrisy prevalent in your comment is incredible. You're passionate of the Titanic, but somehow can't see that it's a really shitty thing to do when someone fucks up the history and doesn't care about it? That must mean that you're either diluted or not really passionate about it at all. And yes, it is literally every source that he used. Instead of pretending like you know what you're saying, how about you actually put your money where your mouth is and look into shit yourself? You even admit that you realize he is likely plagiarizing, but you're still yelling at me? What the actual fuck kind of logic is that? You spend 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video right now and believing all of it without even trying to fact check anything, but you can't even be bothered to do the same for someone who has already done all of the legwork for you. This ain't just the "nitpicky details", but everything from why he's even at Sand Cave in the first place, to when he leaves it. Which IH presents it as if he was trapped in there for 50 years, when it's painfully obvious from even one simple fucking Google search that he wasn't.
Obviously I'm not going to do that at a play or musical because that's not the type of content that you can even respond with without looking like a crazy person. YouTube is the perfect platform to do this sort of thing with since it's videos, but you can't seriously think I'm the first one to make a response video, do you? How about when Brightside or someone else puts some retardation up about Titanic? You do realize there's a full community for people who call them out on their bullshit, because they know there are other people who actually believe this and believe that those people know what they're talking about, right? Internet historian is not one of those channels like Brightside which usually puts out shit like that, and has a history of generally being right, so of course next to nobody will fact check and just blindly believe it. Just like you apparently.
You're want me to chill out and you pretend like you don't care, but you've been more hostile then I have so obviously you do. What I'm doing isnt ironic, it's 100% honest. Of course I benefit from this, my vdeo is literally about the shit he got wrong, so where the hell else would it make sense for me to talk about it? But It's clear to me you just can't stand to see an influencer you love be called out critically, even if the person is right, which you won't even see for yourself.
@Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname watch the vid and see, it's out now. Can't post links cause YouTube will mark the comment as spam.
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C Porter2022-11-04 21:51:10 (edited 2022-11-10 07:40:09 )
@Caleb Porter(Edit: it appears they deleted their comment with this. It said "from one C Porter to another... you are full of crap" )
From a Chase Porter to a Caleb Porter: stop embarrassing us, look into what I'm saying, and use that Porter brain of yours. I've already done all the legwork for you. You spent 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video here, so you can certainly use 2/3 of that time watching mine, and see my receipts showing the reality of what I said. Instead of posting this horsecrap.
@C Porter Still not watching your tantrum disguised as a video, bruh. But how would you like it if I trolled your comment section and replied to people like "This video is boring and angry, go watch IH's video, it's way more entertaining!"? Pretty shitty move, honestly. I DID go out and check out sources on this event, hence my comment that you replied to! I wouldn't have done that if it weren't for this video. Just like I wouldn't have gotten interested in the history of Titanic if it weren't for the film/s, even though they got some facts wrong. As you can see by my comment, I found an inaccuracy in the video based on Miller's first expedition to Floyd by fact checking a different source...and yet, I DIDN'T have a complete angry spazz about IH getting that part wrong, because it's not that deep, bro. And LOL at the "You're not a REAL Titanic fan if you don't have a spazz at every video that gets details incorrect!" Nice bit of gatekeeping you did there. No, I've just got better things to do. I also understand that after a certain amount of time, stories like this; reach a certain legend status where facts get lost and mixed up - thanks to the 100+ year long game of Telephone and cognitive dissonance they go through, it's inevitable, and not worth crying about. Every historical event goes through this.
I acknowledge fully that he's gotten details wrong, I never actually debated you on that - my point is that IT DOESN'T MATTER as much as you think it does. This is a DRAMATIZED version of real events. Just like the musical. This video is told with a literal narrator holding a book like a story, with prose and characters talking! With a reel at the end with all the actors who portrayed each person in the story, also with a disclaimer that says it's satire and journalistic in nature. It's clearly not intended as a straight-cut documentary. Just like countless films on World Wars, historical figures, natural disasters etc. Christ. The correct emotion was portrayed well, better than most videos I've seen on this topic. Probably portrayed better than your video too, despite your intention to 'show more respect' by correcting IH, when really you're just butthurt and I'm guessing your video reflects that anger...and only that anger. An assumption? Yes, but given your tone toward this whole thing, it's more like an educated guess.
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C Porter2022-11-05 04:32:16 (edited 2022-11-11 14:09:15 )
@Nabzarella Dare "it doesn't matter", "who cares" and "it's not supposed to be accurate, it's just a video" are literally the weakest arguments that I've come across. Because they aren't even arguments. It's just plainly admitting that you don't have any knowledge of the situation, you don't care to acknowledge the situation either; and not that you actually understand what is being said to you. You keep on coming at this at the angle that I'm getting mad about some shit like James Cameron in his 1997 film, which actually tried to portray the events of what happened to Titanic correctly for the time, minus putting a love story in there. Meanwhile with IH here, since you claim that you have looked at the sources yourself, and not just one or two articles at the top of the search results for Floyd Collins on Google, then you should already know that the things that he gets wrong are not minor details (well there are some, but idgaf about those for a video like this, because nobody is asking for 100% ever.), but instead major details that affect the entire narrative of the story.
Like how Floyd's caving contributions have changed the face of the entire Speleological discipline of Science with his exploration of Crystal Cave and his theories about caving which is literally the entire reason that he is at Sand Cave in the first place--two entirely different caves that Floyd was directly part of, which Internet Historian decides to pretend doesn't exist and instead have Floyd being reburied in Sand Cave until the 1980s; shows Lee to be a shitty father that doesn't care about his son or anybody enough to knowingly sign away his body as a tourist attraction; showing Skeets himself at first to be just another Ssensation-seeking journalist looking for a story like how Kurt Douglas' character does it in Ace In The Hole (1951 Floyd Collins inspired movie), who wanted to make a name for himself and for the paper; how Sand Cave was on the Collins' family property which somehow was 200 acres big, and then contradicts himself on this later in the video. when he says that Bee Doyle owned the property, which is reality. I could go on, but I bet you already have this delusion that everything I've stated here is somehow still minor details that for some reason you won't actually explain why, don't matter.
The Floyd Collins Musical has more effort, research, accurate portrayal of Floyd and others, humor, and RESPECT put into it than this video ever will. Adam Guettel consulted actual widely known historical research published (and freely accessible online right now for you to read) by expert caver Roger Brucker and historian Robert Murray who both spend half a decade researching into Floyd profusely and exhaustively just to make sure that yellow journalism--like featured all throughout Man In Cave--would be properly identified as bullshit. Just like how I referred to their research in my video.
This whole "Satire" argument is as weak now as it was back in 2016 for LeafyIsHere fans who justifies all that horrible shit he was doing under that word. You and others have the same 5 arguments, which apart from the ones listed earlier in my comment also include "the guy purposely went into a cave. He doesn't deserve any respect or accuracy" and "It's only a small even in history, plus it was 100 years ago, so it doesn't matter." The ladder argument I'm sure you've come across in your time as a fellow Titanic fan, unless you're incredibly new to it still.
Yeah, you going into my comment sections in doing that would not only be a shitty move, but a dumb as shit one as well! Considering my video's literal purpose all the way down to the title itself makes it incredibly clear that it's sole purpose is to correct IH's misinformation. So it'd make you look like just one of the tons of others who are wailing "Delete your channel, shit video, you're just a clout chaser. Admit it, you know you liked this video anyways lmelfao"
At the end of the day, you refuse to watch my video and automatically assume it's nothing but a "tantrum". I can't control that. And you refuse to look into stuff more than a basic google search or two of results, which i also can't control. But the reality of the situation is, you haven't even tried at all to see how things really are. I have. I've gone far out of my way to show you and others that. Some people just don't want to admit their wrong because of pride or whatever I guess. You're just one of those people it seems. So i got no reason to continue talking to a brick wall. I tried.
@C Porter I actually was aware of most of those details IH left out or changed, but none of them affected the emotion of the story to me. I've seen other straight-cut, matter-of-fact videos about this story, none of them had me invested like this one did. None of them made me care about Floyd's plight like this one did, DESPITE the inaccuracies. That's what matters to me. Even if it doesn't to you. And again, a lot of details would've needed to be cut down or simplified for time and to make the visuals easier to make. And again, dramatized.
James Cameron's Titanic was accurate as far as ship details go, but it certainly wasn't accurate to a lot of the real life people on board. And yet, the weight of the tragedy still gets across just fine. Accuracy isn't everything.
Bro, I ain't mad that you made a response video to IH's vid, that's fine. It was your tone and your advertising that really turned me off, and based on the likes I've gotten from my replies to you; I'm not the only one you've alienated with your hostile approach. You could've made a calm, respectful rebuttal to this video (and advertised it as such) and you would've acheived the exact same thing, except more people would actually respect you for it - but nah, you had to go full frothing at the mouth like: "thIs ViDeO iS GaRBaGe, WatCH MiNE!" I'm all for correcting misinformation, but you came off as an asshole, and I don't support that. I don't want you to take your channel/video down, just don't be a dick about it. Your video could've been a nice compliment to this one, IH's video for the emotional entertainment, yours could've been for the info hub. But, no. You had to stamp your feet and tell people who tell you to chill that they're 'just ignorant to the truth'.
But yes, let's stop this carousel of pointlessness. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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C Porter2022-11-05 13:11:44 (edited 2022-11-05 13:12:17 )
@Nabzarella Dare really? Using your likes to say you're right? I forgot about this thread's existence for 12 days, if I would have continued it immediately things would have been very different. Plus it's practically unavoidable to have a different tone whenever you're advertising something of this nature anyways.
@C Porter You are just wrong and your video is boring, uninteresting and poorly made.
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C Porter2022-11-05 20:54:48 (edited 2022-11-05 20:55:29 )
@Guglielmo Borzoni boring maybe to some, I'm not wrong but it won't stop you guys from saying that I am, even though I've literally backed up every single thing I've said with actual sources to a scholarly and truly journalistic degree , but poorly made? oh please. My video was expertly crafted, but obviously not every single person on here, including you especially, don't have amazing editing programs and experience to make something on the visual level as IH.
@C Porter a different tone is easy, try: "This video was entertaining and well made. However, there are inaccuracies which I talk about in one of my own videos. I recommend you watch it if you care about the facts."
I'm not going to click on your video because your attitude really puts me off. It would kind of ruin the video knowing the person behind it is a bit of an ahole. Dont ruin your image if you want to advertise to people
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C Porter2022-11-05 21:18:48 (edited 2022-11-05 21:26:48 )
@Nade yeah but that's the thing though, it wasn't well made in any way apart from basic visual and audio. The actual content of it, which is the message and the details AKA the historical front, which is literally the point of making a video such as this; it is incredibly inaccurate. I would be the a-hole to a lot of other people if I didn't properly tell folks how bad it was. There's no denying it, Man In Cave has major problems with it that needed to actually be addressed. It's not just "some" inaccuracy, it is the full length of it and how it is presented. This is the most basic information about Floyd Collins that he got wrong. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. This is to the point that even history textbooks in high school and college levels get more right about Floyd than this video does. Even putting it as nicely here in this comment without cursing or perceivably emotional language wouldn't make my message any different, and would only make it so that less people could actually understand what I'm saying.
I also have a hard time believing that you or Darer would watch the video if I had said my first comment differently anyways, since you put up so much protest already, instead of taking even more time than the length of Man In Cave itself by trying to defend your choice of doing nothing.
@C Porter I said it was well made as in constructed, put together, edited, video, audio etc. I didn't say well researched which is what you have a problem with (I havent done enough research to agree or disagree). You can tell other people it's wrong sure, but its the way you've said it that people have a problem with. I don't see why telling people it's wrong automatically makes you an ahole, for some reason you've linked the two in your head when I literally gave you an example of how to politely/nicely/constructively do that instead. I guarantee if you worded it differently people wouldnt have a big issue with it. And they would understand even without strong language/emotion obviously, providing they speak English. Sometimes you need tact, finesse, style especially if you're persuading people to do something (like click on your vid or do their own research)
I dont see why you have a hard time believing that I would have watched your vid. I honestly would have, I care about facts quite a lot. The phrase "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" comes to mind, and for that reason, I wont click on your channel, I would much rather research it myself. Who wants to watch a video knowing the person behind the camera is unpleasant, it spoils the video, I legitimately wouldnt enjoy it whereas I may have before reading your comment.
I also don't see where I "put up protest". I replied with a comment explaining why your approach is bad. I wasn't even talking about the videos themselves, thats fair play if IH got it wrong, I'm explaining to you that coming off in that way is deleterious to your motivations of educating people and or getting views. If you don't want to listen to me thats fine, but its helpful advice. Your second paragraph seems quite argumentative so I will humour you with this long grammatical post
@Nade You may not see it as wrong for me to tell people it's wrong, but that doesn't mean others will and have. Saying: "if you worded it differently people wouldnt have a big issue with it. And they would understand even without strong language/emotion obviously, providing they speak English" as much as I wish it were true, this whole expirience since Sept 29th has made it abundantly clear that this simply naive on a large scale, or maybe just for a community that surrounds IH. Even elsewhere where I start the convo and mentioning it a lot more tamely, things go similarly to this. So what's the point of "putting it gently" (my words, not yours) with finess and getting the same result? Also too, showing my frustration here is better anyways, as it arguably prepares the viewer for the nature of my video, which is at the end of the day, a very critical look into Man In Cave. Sure I'm much tamer over there, but my message and conclusions are the same over here.
These comments are in reply to it is the example of putting up a protest. But if you want to do your own research, than go ahead. I can give you all my sources if you want, but I'll do that in another comment since there are so many. If you truly do your own research--and not just a couple of google searches--then you will likely come across these same resources but after reading through a shit ton of other stuff.
Just like Nabzarella, at this point all you've done is say "I'm not watching it because your shitting on IH by talking about it" effectively. Even though that's the whole point of my video, calling him out on wrongs in his video. You can't effectively be doing that without throwing around a cold hard truth within it. It's easy to find out. A great news story needs a good headline which shows the truth of the article in a simpler fashion. Likewise for a paragraph synopsis talking about A 50 Minute long video like here. But through this comment argument, I've explained more of the video than probably necessary even, and you still won't look at it. So again, what's the point? Especially when in your eyes, i've irreversibly destroyed any possibility of you doing so it seems.
@C Porter Not true, you chose to be a dick about IH's video, you're alienating people all on your own, bud. There was clearly no malice intended on IH's end, but there definitely is on yours. And the like ratio has nothing to do with you not answering for days, my first reply to you got way more support than your initial comment, despite being there for roughly the same amount of time. Not to mention the most recent one by Nade which already has more upvotes than your initial reply, even though it's only 6 hours old. And they are another example of someone who doesn't want to watch your video solely because of your hostile approach. You don't want to take constructive criticism? I can't change that. I can't talk to a brick wall, I tried lol
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C Porter2022-11-06 04:16:53 (edited 2022-11-11 14:11:36 )
@Nabzarella Dare Edit: looks like they deleted their comment associated with this.
Going back into the hypocrisy again are we? There's been absolutely nothing constructive about your criticism this whole time, and my original comment isn't even that bad compared to the stuff that you've been saying to me this whole time. You haven't tried at all to see my reasoning, and it's not my fault that a bunch of other people who can't see it either just so happen to support your comments. You've done everything you possibly can to ignore what I'm saying and justify not watching just because you don't wanna hear any other opinion apart from your own or something that's part of the IH praise echo chamber. I'm done with your bullshit.
@C Porter the point of putting it gently is to get more views. I know that would happen because I use myself as an example. I would have watched it, I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Thing is you will notice the negative comments way more than the increase in views. The IH defender fan boys will always leave comments regardless, and you will get mostly negative comments since most people wouldnt take the time to recognise you're doing a service to people and leave a nice comment. But the difference between the two is one way gets you more views
As for protest once again I'm not going to debate you about who's wrong or not. I'm not an IH defender, and it's great when people call each other out for misinformation, so I have no problem with that. My original comment wasn't of protest but of advice, don't alienate your viewers.
That last paragraph illustrated what I'm talking about. You refer to what you are doing at least in some capacity as shitting on IH. thing is, he hasn't done anything to warrant that. His disclaimer at the beginning combined with the fact that he hasn't even denied it yet, he's not even said "no I am actually right" means instead you should have given constructive criticism. That's the crux of my point. Constructive criticism. And yes I have ruled out clicking on your video because I think it would be unpleasant to watch based on how you come across and your apparent reluctance/ineffectiveness at giving constructive criticism where the alternative of giving mean comments isn't warranted
@Nade the comments I've given out I've only been in reply to one's given to me in this thread. Not started by you, but by others before you who can talk a lot without really saying anything of substance.
I can get where you're coming from to some degree, but getting views is a lot more complicated than how someone makes a comment. There's the algorithm, there's tags, natural subscribers, and other things too, I stopped advertising this after the first day of it posting, because I did what I sent out to do, and I understand that because of my channel size and just the nature of what I'm doing will make this video not very popular or well seen. As much as I would love 1 million views or even a 12th of that, it's just unrealistic.
Yeah his disclaimer at the beginning says "this is satire and journalistic by nature", which is extremely loose in this context. Mainly because of there being a little to no actual journalistic Integrity if you look at his sources, all of them will disagree with, or will never address the things said about (apart from quotations) a lot of the major events that he talks about here. Leaving only the satire, which in only a couple parts such as Floyd's body sailing through the air, or the sex jokes that some sections. So everything else there, where he gets stuff wrong, there's no satire involved with it in these areas, and purely false information, which again if you look at his sources for the things, none of which will actually show it. Which means that he knowingly looked at these sources and decided to use them for credibility, but if theyre fact-checked, really damages his own credibility. Not to mention all the other stuff that he has no listed sources for, which has never been stated anywhere, such as how Crystal Cave ( the cave that Floyd actually discovered before Sand, which he explored immensely and was where he was actually buried with the glass coffin in) was just another name for Sand Cave. That's just one of many examples. So yes, he has entirely warranted this. And there really is nothing to say constructively when nothing has been given for the opportunity. If he had really tried to make it accurate, there would be an overflowing abundance of constructive criticism from me, and I wouldn't even be making these comments threads like I am. They would be much more like the way you want them to be.
Perhaps this would be easier for you to understand in an analogy. Pretend I'm a history professor, and IH is a student writing a finals paper about this. As per usual with these things, you have to use Research into what you write, and list the sources that you have, and have to write the paper and away that tells the subject how it truly was. Not to mention how since this is a finals paper, you have ample time given to work on this assignment, oftentimes the entire semester/course itself. So when IH turns in a paper that doesn't list many sources for it, and it's clear to have information present in it that isn't supported by the sources he does list, not to mention are fictitious. Even though the picturesque writing and storytelling is done fantastically, and there is some humorous sections in it, it doesn't do much for the grade since that wasn't the assignment. And IH gets a 65%, failing grade. This is a finals paper, and it's the last assignment and it has been turned in, so constructive criticism would be useless since there isn't going to be a rewrite, but there will be feedback nonetheless so that he understands what he did wrong. Just like every other student, he is graded fairly and accurately. If he or someone else is upset about it, they had a full class to come and ask for help, or rewrite sections to do a better job. But they chose the irresponsible decision to turn it in as is. Regardless of if it's because of the deadline or if it's because of they were truly struggling with it, that doesn't change the requirements of the assignment not being met.
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The Tempted Man2022-11-06 13:23:01 (edited 2022-11-06 13:24:18 )
@C Porter keep crying, kid, your vid is an obscurity and will remain below a 10k view mark
@The Tempted Man I don't think too much myself, but you, like many others I've seen thus far clearly don't give enough of a shit about anything to care either way. So why are you even commenting?
@C Porter man i don't care if your video are lore accurate or whatever your attitude don't deserve a view you just barge in and call other people video shit instead of explain what he missing Also i can't find said video on your chanel because it just full of random crap
@This Skrub well obviously you're not even looking in the first place so that's why you're not finding it. I posted only 5 videos since this came out. And secondly I HAVE explained in here a lot of what's wrong with it in many comments now, so open your damned eyes. Just because you can't handle the fact that people deserve to be called out for their shit, and that I actually want to do you guys a favor by letting you know that, doesn't mean that I'm wrong.
@C Porter A word of advice if you're aiming to make videos on the internet (or just communicate in general): the way we say things often says more than the words themselves. No one is going to be receptive to your message if it is delivered too lengthily or in an overly argumentative tone that detracts from your main point.
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C Porter2022-11-09 20:34:16 (edited 2022-11-09 20:39:36 )
@Lorenzo Westling I hear you, but everything I said in that first, as well as in the replies have been 100% accurate, and anyone can fact check it and see for themselves it really is so. To give a far more lengthy comment as to the reality would be too lengthy for most. But instead what basically everybody has done it's just a bitch about my tone, wasting their time entirely instead of just taking me on my word of it, which they--and you it seems--are promising that they would have already if it hadn't been for my tone. All it is at the end of the day is a cop-out and a lame excuse for not actually looking into things. Considering if it was somebody else of prominence that had replied in the comments, like IH himself or someone else whos big saying this, we all know that everybody would have followed it without a second thought.
@Koos van Vugt Interesting how you take enough time to do that, but cant even give significantly less time it takes to watch Man In Cave to understand the reality behind the widely fictitious account of Floyd Collins that IH tells. You made it clear in your other comments elsewhere that you can't be bothered to care about what you watch if it's not the most amazingly cinematic thing out there.
@C Porter to be honest, it was late at night and I was a little sleepy, and I said "c porter" out loud in a very whiny voice and I just wanted to share that
@C Porter to be frank, i was actually interested in what really happened in the story and what got improperly portrayed, but the way your script was written, the way you communicated the information and the way it felt to have such a grudge towards internet historian really threw me off being interested any more
@Koos van Vugt It takes more than 2 minutes to watch a video that's 49 minutes long. Yes there's a grudge against him, the whole video is called "Internet Historian Is Wrong About Floyd Collins", and if you watch it, you should be able to see why I'm pissed at him. But everything despite my attitude, is backed up by damning facts and actual sourcing that agrees with that's being said, unlike the handful of sources which pretty much support nothing but the quotations he uses. Everything else his sources show entirely conflict in one way or another.
@C Porter I'm not going to watch your video. I simply dont share the passion you have for the subject, and so won't most of 8 million views who saw this video. I gave you the reasons why I didn't watch your video. Getting criticism is a hard thing to come by, as most people will just say nothing and move on. You can argue and write essay comments all day, it's not going to convince an audience to watch your videos. I'dd suggest to channel all the criticism you're receiving into change and betterment for your projects in the future.
@Koos van Vugt The only essays I'm writing are in response to people like you and others who initiate it. But Fair point on that. It'd probably be a better use of my time anyways. Honestly I don't really plan on doing another video of this nature anytime soon though. If the subject were anything else really I probably wouldn't have made the video in the first place. But what's done is done, and whether or not you watch it ultimately won't have much of a hold. same as for everyone else. But just know that IH's video has many plotholes and drastic inaccuracies in it, as well as a major misrepresentation of the facts. Essentially, take his video with a cup full of salt.
C Porter2022-11-05 05:34:11 (edited 2022-11-05 05:35:00 )
Would've been cooler and much more humanizing if the entirety of his words were put in this video. The following is still simplified for readers in 1925, with slight changes to the wording, but has the full thought and context:
"Monday was the first day when strangers came back to me. I kept working around, whenever I felt strong enough, thinking I could twist myself free. But each time I could hear pebbles falling into the deep hole right behind me. It caused me to shudder. I kept thinking what would happen if the rock above me would fall. I kept trying to drive my mind to something else, but it wasn’t much use … I couldn’t do much to help those who came to help me, but I knew a lot of people were willing to do all in their power. This gave me courage. ... “Tuesday morning,” I thought to myself. “Four days down here and no nearer to freedom than I was the first day. How will it end? Will I get out or—” I couldn’t think of it. I have faced death before. It doesn’t frighten me. But it is so long. Oh God be merciful! ... I want you to tell everybody outside that I love every one of them and I’m happy because so many are trying to help me. Tell them I am not going to give up: That I am going to fight and be patient and never forget them. You go out now, but don’t leave me too long. I want you with me and I’ll keep helping all I can to move some of this rock.”
-Floyd Collins, Associated Press reprint of Skeet's Miller's report in The Louisville Courier-Journal, Feb 4th, 1925.
What a rollercoaster. I went from "He's gonna die" to "HE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE?! :O" so, SO many times. Incredible story, if only floyd was more careful with that goddamn lantern, if only he didn't step on that stone, if only the crowd hadn't gathered, if only the diggers were faster. Such horror, What a rollercoaster, Absolutely worth An hour and 9 minutes of my life. also it scares me that he was trapped in that cave for over 60 years, the cave really didn't want him free
Damn, that's some impressive amount of effort for an hour long free documentary video on youtube, you never disappoint my man, job well done as always! And can I say your narration of the cave passage is so detailed it gives me second-hand claustrophobia, just horrible in a good way.
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Patrick Pease2022-10-22 17:14:52 (edited 2022-11-05 02:23:20 )
4 minutes into the drama, i see ive got another hour or so and my claustrophobia kicks into overdrive.
This video is so well made. I’ve never watched your videos before and I expected something different from this, like a commentary or a creepy pasta or something, but man this was so much better.
I really like this,a longer video with less jokes more of just the story ive been falling asleep with it on often its not boring just nice to listen to
What a roller coaster! I haven’t been this on the edge of my seat to a YouTube video maybe ever. Bravo, another subscriber amongst your well earned millions, thanks for the amazing content!
Back in the day reporters would crawl to the ends of the earth for a good story. None of them went to college. Today, reporters just read stories online and give their moronic opinions. And yet they insist they need a college degree to do that.
My favorite character is Burden, because unlike Homer or Miller, he was a big part of it without necessarily a big reason for it. Just sheer motivation and sunk cost, respect.
Also LOL at the crazy old man Lee, the couple faking the telegraphs, the competitors beating him up for the deed, and the mysterious two men who took a leg.
There’s actually a lot of historical inaccuracies in this, Homer was not the first person to reach Floyd, and Skeets Miller was not the second, he was the fourth. Johnny Jerald and Homer had a much smaller role to play in the ordeal, there were several other characters involved, and Floyd’s other brother also helped in the early hit before getting injured and staying out. Among many other inaccuracies. It was also proven that there was no crystal cavern on the other side, Floyd just told people that, and the cave Floyd was put in after his death was Crystal Cave, not sand cave, which was a different cave that he owned some of.
Lee was also not drunk and far more supportive of the rescue effort
The big contention between Lee and Floyd was that they had a mutual ownership of Crystal cave, but it was a failed attraction. Floyd wanted to keep trying to make it famous and Lee wanted to sell it. They actually made a deal with Johnny Jerold to try and find a buyer for Lee’s half of the property with the option for Jerold to buy it, but Floyd refused to renew his part of the bargain to sell
Burden was also in the cave several times and did a lot more than just the rope pull. I’m fact, Miller did more work with Burden than he did with Homer or Jerold, Jerold personally hated the idea of any non-local, including Miller, helping in the rescue
"None of this would have happened if Floyd had gotten world of tanks." Truer words were never spoken. I imagine then he could be like "Come see the incredible simulated world." and had a one of a kind tourist attraction already, never having to mess with the cave at all.
This reminds me of the guy stuck upside down in a cave and it was impossible got rescuers to get him out without breaking every bone in his body so he had to slowly die and his body is still in the cave because it’s so dangerous.
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red tomik2022-10-22 12:38:32 (edited 2022-10-22 12:48:31 )
This is amazing video. Congratulations on making documents better than those in TV👏
It sounds like, despite the morbidity of the situation...the family got exactly what Floyd was looking for: a tourist attraction caused by his cave-exploring discovery, one that ends up wildly successful and profitable. (For a time, of course.) Sad that his family couldn't have gotten the majority of said profit though.
Haha... this is TERRIFYING & HILARIOUS all at the same time... I don't think I have ever had so many panic attacks followed by so much uncontrolled laughing
fucking amazing video, I didn’t even skip a few seconds, not even once. i didn’t get bored at all, i never even wanted to close this video just because of how good and entertaining it is.
It took mee a while to realize that this was a real event and not just a recount of one of my favorite films. The events are the exact same, so if you want to see them play out, watch Ace in The Hole (THe Great Carnival). A tuly brilliant movie, especially for the time.
There’s another channel who did this story and many many like it including cave diving 😬
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z Hard2022-10-23 08:22:35 (edited 2022-10-23 08:23:35 )
Being the curious teen boy i am with a rather nonchalant yet subtly novel moral compass, all that bugs me is that why hadn't the 'spectacular alien like cave formation' looked into after all that effort. Not that I care about that trapped lad having such steady ambition to monetize and explore it, it's just that i am having a hell of a tantrum to why that wasn't bothered about. That morbid curiosity at its best you know.
They sorta did. Several years after the tragedy; Miller, the reporter, along with a handful of researchers got permission to dig into the crystal room. Unfortunately even being years after the cave in, the team concluded Sand Cave was still too unstable for even their small group to stay in. They were only able to explore ot for a week before sealing it back. That's why the National Park has it locked up, it waaaaay too dangerous.
i'm not sure why he didnt dig the rest of the tunnel before he tried to dig out the last passage, especially if he wanted people to actually be able to enter in and out freely
You know, when I heard the name "Casey Jones" I expected him to scream Goongala at the top of his lungs like a cave man before beating the cave with a hockey stick expecting results.
Wait wait wait a sec... After Floyds family had the money to retrieve his body they only took 7 miners to get to him in 7... I repeat SEVEN days?! Just from the other side? Wouldn't THAT have saved him?!
If it had just been 1-2 guys maintaining a steady supply of food and water with Floyd's brother slowly, patiently working to move rock with delicate hands, Floyd would have lived. In the end though, the stupidity of people in their generality ended up taking his chances away. Not the cave.
I'm so fucking mad. I actually gasped when you said he was dead and I actually cried a bit. The fucking GALL of the people who decided to profit off Floyd's death. Fuck so many people in this story.
you'll be even more mad if you know the truth behind it all. Internet Historian does a shit job on this. Had to make a video explaining a ton of it he got wrong.
41:42 Casey having to leave, only being able to watch as the light disappears and he hears sobbing of the man he had to leave behind. I wonder how much guilt he felt from that moment, it’s too horrible to imagine
Ah, I was wondering if maybe the brother hired guys to steal his body and hide it in a location and he would take it from there but the cops got to it first.
Whole area filled with cave divers and none of them thought to start reinforcing the way in and digging bigger entrance while other swap turns to try and free him in the mean time? That is just dumb -.- Sure digging could make area further away more unstable but would made things much easier and safer to everyone in this project. Also why the way in was not dig bigger in the first place? Why to make crawl space for tourists when mining suitable way in would been better way to bring tourists in?
It is kinda strange to think that people jumping from miles and miles (or kilometers for the cheese burgerless) with nothing but some fabric on their back is a lot safer than going less than a few dozen feet underground.
Hey IH, sadly can't watch this video at all (claustrophobia levels over 9000) but i'll keep it running in the bg to give you a few views anyway. Keep making awesome content!
You really see two sides of humanity in this video; The people who really went to dangerous extremes to physically help him, and the other (unfortunately larger) camp of people that just sat by, put weight on the cave from above, spread rumors for fun, or otherwise exploit the situation. Really disappointed in how so many people acted in this situation. Not sure why so many top commenters wanna act like this is some heartwarming shit
My claustrophobia did not let me go past 5 minutes 😔
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João Oliveira2022-10-03 12:11:49 (edited 2022-10-03 12:12:06 )
21:50 I don't know why but hearing that part of Miller "feeling ashamed not to try" just makes me hopeful and kinda sad, that all of the other people who had got there had given up, even while knowing that Floyd was in there, and here comes this strager, who had never even met him, and the simple fact that another human being is in distress compels him to at least try to save him.
some people really are built different. Just knowing that "someone else did it" is enough to encourage them to push thrpugh any hardship they encounter.
I'm super claustrophobic and this shit terrifies me but if I could hear somebody in a hole like this really hurting for help I really really would try to help. Ive been in small spots, panicked and could calm myself down and get out but I would try my best at least, I don't think I'd make it in though tbh
Sure, I applaud his courage, but I'm more than happy to admit that seeing a crawl space of 9 inches, would unquestionably make me immediately go "Nah, fuck that."
So no one's gonna talk about how badass Casey Jones was? Just got on site, went into an ACTIVELY COLLAPSING cave, crawled all the way to Floyd and stayed with him as long as possible, and barely escaped. Can't imagine how hard it would have been to leave Floyd in there.
@RiptideV10 how did he cause the collapse? If anything caused it it was the amateurish attempt of using a bottle jack and crowbar to lift the rock, or the countless times the others crawled in and out. When those two went into the cave it was just to assess the danger, they did nothing but inspect fissures in the wall and look for instabilities. Keep in mind too that he and the other guy were literally professionals in cave stability, the best of the best when I came to underground safety at the time. Out of everything you can blame the collapse on, they are pretty low on the list
On a similar note, back when medical science was far less advanced, bodies were buried with a string tied to their toe and the other end rigged up to a bell on the surface to avoid burying someone alive. However, muscle spasms can occur after death, leading to many corpses being dug up. This is the origin of the term "dead ringer".
Can we talk about the haunting dream sequence at 25:50 though? I have never seen Internet Historian create a scene so haunting and horrifying before, and it amazingly captured the morbidity and hopelessness of Floyd’s situation. It perfectly foreshadowed future events, especially with the motif of the cave not letting him go. The colors, the sound effects, the scenario, the VIDEO as a WHOLE—so spectacular. All of it. Thank you for what you all do; it’s incredible.
@S B Well they found another way into the cave he wanted into. But also a fact this video didn't mention was that Floyd also wanted to prove the caves in the area were all connected to one in another and that was proven true. It's been a while so I can't give full details sorry :\
floid's brother is a truely great brother he was the first one to brave.the squeeze he was the one who worked the hardest to get floid out of the cave and REFUSED to leave his brother there even after his death i honestly can not begin to discrab how great of a man and a brother he was
@SicilysFinest12 the whole point of my comment was how i liked one character yet here i am reading your complains English is not my native language i never said that am flawless nor did i boost about my self in the comments i only talked about the character that i liked the most now have a good day
The fact that IH can drop a video simply titled 'man in cave' and I'll click on it says a lot about how much faith we have in his ability to create content. It says even more that it exceeded my expectations.
@glaco its a comment on a video about an event that happened over 100 years ago. If youre worried about the narrative; dont read commentary about the story.
All the faces of humanity, the good, the bad, and the insane, all displayed to the fullest in one rollercoaster of a tale so absurd we depart from the realm of fiction into history. All of it told by one of the greatest storytellers of our time. What an absolute treat this was.
I had never heard of this, I did not know the outcome and actually thought that he might had made it out alive. I'll remember this story for a very long time.
@RamAmandeep i also dont know the story when started watching, but when one of the credited source titled the death and transfiguration of Floyd Collins, my heart sank
@RamAmandeep I watched another video about Floyd a few weeks back. Even prepared with foreknowledge, I ended up feeling claustrophobic and uncomfortable once more.
IH may have created a comedic take on these events, but the grimness isn't lost.
I knew how this story would end, yet hearing more details than ever and the efforts people took in helping Floyd still made me hope he'd get out of that cave this time around
I was shedding tears at how hard everyone tried to save him. Once the cave in happened I was sure he was dead but they never gave up hope. Stories like these bring back my faith in humanity.
It’s fascinating to me how humans instincts is to think of themselves and not the victim. When Homer first got out of the cave and saw the crowd of people, some doing news, some bragging about how they’d be the one to save them….there’s so much internal competition before they can work together. Reminds me of Elon Musk offering to come in and help the Thai soccer team that got trapped and when his advice wasn’t heeded he called one of the guys a pedophile. It feels good when enough humans can put that crap aside to work together and accomplish something unimaginable
@Eric Oakes The vast majority of people in this story didn't help unless they could profit in some way or actively made things worse. If you want to see it as a story about how everyone got together to help someone in need that's cool, I honestly envy that. For me this showed a lot more of the ugly side of humanity. Loved the story tho, really well made video made it better. I guess what im getting at is that people can take away different things about a story like this and still enjoy it, its not a problem.
And then it subsequently teaches us that no matter how hard we try, we can still fail and die in a dark hole, alone. And that ultimately at the moment we reach eternity we will be alone, no matter how many love ones are close to us and fighting for us.
@Andrew Cottingham Well what I find funny is that they almost had him, just a bit more planning beforehand, or trying to get better equipment in advance would have removed the rock, but hindsight demands a sacrifice and I like to think these gruesome tales prevent other incidents like this from occurring, sometimes at least.
@Manea Andrei It showed both sides mate. There were just idiots making shit worse and trying to make a quick buck, ironically one of those was Lloyd's own dad which is sad enough, and there were genuine heroes who tried their very best to help him. The journo especially. He was just supposed to report on the story. What he did instead was not only talk directly to the trapped man himself and scored a huge rapport, but he also really did try to help him. He was a journalist, but a human first and he tried to help his fellow man.
It's a bittersweet story. Just like life. And that's what makes it beautiful.
@Dominick Even if that's the case, personally, I don't think the motives really matter. What they do and the actions they take are more important. Just because someone's out to make money doesn't diminish the fact that they've helped people in the process
Yes, Homer, Miller, Gerald or even Burdon was great, also the people who work hard to save him too but the massive amount of people tomfoolery and fk around didn't drag your faith through the mud is just something else. And not to mention the dentist guy who fking cage a dead body for tourism?
@Đ.Dương And those calling the whole thing a hoax while pretending to be Floyd writing to everyone he's fine? That's just sick. Whenever someone says "this restores my faith" I immediately think 'this guy's a crackpot'.
@abloogywoogywoo Yeah like wtf, from the beginning to the very end, there are a lot people who actively make thing worse but somehow some viewer just automatically skip through them and have their faith in humanity restore. Like no, the man dies because people fk around, there even a guy profit of off his corpse.
@Đ.Dương They probably contributed to the cave instability that ultimately cost Floyd his life. These sort of stories affirm my cynicism and pessimism.
In what way is a guy who puts himself in that situation, therefore forcing others to take that risk just for a shot at saving hin, is a hero? I feel sorry for any person who has to go through something so horrible, but I ain't about to glorify what is essentially an idiot. And before anyone tells me he did it cus money blah blah. No one was going in there even for a rescue, so I have a hard time believing they'd flock in and pay to navigate it. Guy was fucking silly and died a horrible, silly death.
@TheBangooman At what point did the comment call him a hero? They just simply stated that a person who went through such an awful situation such as his shouldn’t be forgotten.
@TheBangooman I never said he was a hero did I, I simply feel like its important to remember that although it's essentially a comedy video a man died, it was about money he was trying to better his situation and he got into an accident, of course it was dangerous but at least he had a decent reason.
Just feel like it kinda glossed over how horrible it must have been for the guy and the people that cared about him watching him slowly die.
I was just saying the ledgend will live on forever immortalised on YouTube and that hopefully he's now resting in peace not in some chained up coffin in the horrible place he died.
@Average tallnut enjoyer maybe I guess, I just watched it and I don't know maybe having the same second name made me really care about what happened, felt kinda personal aha
@Rocket Racoon They buried him in his casket in the cave but family members wanted him buried properly so they removed him and buried him at Mammoth Cave Baptist Church Cemetery
There is a post story with Miller. In 1954, he went back to the Sand cave with 32 other explorers and scientist to rediscover the Crystal cave that Floyd discovered. They found it and explored it for a week.
Okay no seriously: the idea that no one would ever discover what he originally wanted to do in Sand Cave upset me to no end, but the fact that Miller did it (he's my favorite person in this event) makes me unreasonably happy. Thank for sharing this; I was about to google him to make sure.
That man was haunted by that experience. He came to Cave City as just one of many of the press. But he left as much a brother to Floyd as Homer was. He was never the same again.
Jesus Christ almighty, most of us couldn't even fathom of what Floyd must've felt during all this time being stuck down there in the cold, narrow and wet. Even the tought of this punches me in the stomach. But what was especially disgusting was how all the people except those who were actively helping him acted during the whole ordeal. They were practically treating his hellish torment as an attraction, literally acting as if they were forgetting that a human being is dying then and there below their feet. And that doesn't even stop there, even abusing his corpse for attraction, money and revenge. The hipocrisy of those people disgusted me the most. May no one ever again have to meet the same fate as Floyd.
That one other guy who died because he went into a very narrow cave entrance and got stock. Yes, he died even though they tried to save him and it seemed possible. He was just really stock in there, and his head was pointing inwards. He was in too deep; just in site but out of reach.
I'm truly appalled at how people treated this whole debacle at the time. A man was trapped in the cold and the dark, alone, for hundreds of hours. His family, his friends, and numerous kind strangers desperately tried to save him that entire time, but the rest of the country treated it like a literal theme park, a way to make money and a source of entertainment. They milled around outside the cave, doing nothing to help and actively making things worse by destabilizing the cave. Even after he was found dead people still tried to make money and fun off of his suffering, lining up to ogle at his corpse. Miller is an impressive exception, he came to the cave for the story but stayed for the man, and in the end, refused the notion that Floyd's life could be traded for coin. A fantastic retelling of the story as always IH, well done indeed.
I watched another video abt this on another channel, unfortunately I got memory like a goldfish so don't remember which one, this guy a bit more funny but the other vid was very touching
You would do the same thing, and pretending you're above that entirely shows a disconnect from the worst parts of you and all people. A disconnect that makes it easier for those awful instincts to come out.
@Sly Marbo Man, you're assuming a whole lotta things here. Yes, people have that sort of instinctual morbid curiosity. But let me assure, a LOT of people wouldn't go there to just stand around and treat it like a theme park. Not everyone is the same
@Denjidenji buddy, I promise you once you see that turnaround and tight squeeze, you’d shat ur pants and send “thoughts & prayers” like everyone else. Witcho goofy asses😂 I know that, because I would’ve done the exact same thing.
@Hollister Not personally risking your life for a total stranger is a bit more understandable than treating his suffering and death like a day at the amusement park.... what are you even talking about?
well, yeah. such people are always found - callous opportunists who flock to any situation. But I'd say it isn't exactly accurate to characterize all of society by their choices. I'd say it's just good to have stories like this one that remind everyone that they TOO very much exist, so it is easier for people to spot them in the wild.
@Jacky138 Definitely. We have the internet nowadays to contain our most psychotic content addictions, but we still treat tragedy and human suffering as entertainment like our ancestors- just from the comfort of our own home. The obsession to make money off of every crisis is still alive and kicking as well- (scalpers buying up Covid supplies for instance) I think if you took the percentages of people who either: stay out of it, obsess over it, make money off of it, or help; from then and now they would be the same. For as much as the world has changed in 100 years, we’re all still stuck in 1920s Kentucky.
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A Jim Fan2022-10-05 01:23:04 (edited 2022-10-05 01:23:48 )
No one actually can care about an individual beyond the 200 of his closest friends. This is just a fact of human relations. Look up "Dunbar's number"
My husband was dismayed that this video was over a hour long. I told him we could stop when he was tired 😂 But once he was hooked in to this excellent story telling wonder, time flew by. All was well… Thank you internet Historian.
Whatever lies for Floyd after his death, I hope he finds peace. For Miller and Gerald I hope they were able to let go of the guilt. As for the man who sold his body for tourist traps, I hope the devil has a special place in hell for them.
Agreed. I would pray he had peace, or at least his body caused him to lose consciousness until he passed on. It's definitely a tragedy. At the same time the world could use more adventurers like him.
Nah man, the Devil doesn't get to decide shit, giving him control over Hell would be giving him a position of power, which would be like a reward for what he's done. Nobody needs to be in charge of punishing people in Hell, it's a punishment just to be there. Also, it says in the Bible (paraphrasing here) that the worse your crimes are, the worse Hell is, so you don't have to worry about that guy not being uncomfortable enough in Hell, his crimes will make sure he is punished accordingly.
@Universal Traveler 09 Whatever, dude. You can say "I hope [bad person] goes to Hell for clout and likes but you're preaching to the choir, everybody wants this guy to go to hell and you don't have to lash out at somebody just because they gave you what you were fishing for when you made the comment... Affirmation.
If anything it showed me the human spirit at its purest form. Stage one, accepting the objective gravity of mortality, stage two, utterly ignting that objectivity to give it 110%, and than stage 3, the vultures set in to pick the corpse clean. Never under estimate the power of the human spirit, also never under estimate how little some people have. The psychopaths, the narcissists, they exist and they will sap the human spirit and milk it for everything its worth. Including making money off of a tragedy.
It's a mark of a good story teller / movie maker that they can elicit an emotional response from the viewer. He illicits seventeen in one video ("Gentleman Pirate" also comes to mind) while having us learn something we never would have known otherwise, and now will remember forever coz of the peculiar way he tells it.. even mixing laughs in such a sad hopeless situation.
@A. Ducky that being said, he's also relying heavily on already written books and writers on the subject, his interpretation of them are definitely unique though. I want to make sure proper credit is given the original writers. IH does a good job reinvigorating the old stories and make them exciting to a modern viewer.
The video and animation helps because of how visually fixated people are nowadays. It would actually be nice to know which books he is using to reference the story.
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A. Ducky2022-09-29 19:06:14 (edited 2022-09-29 19:08:58 )
@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse Pause every time you see small text on the bottom.. and also look in the top left corner of the screen. I'd assume there's something in the description but haven't checked. Usually, he puts most of it on screen.
Also...what else but books are we to rely on when telling any historical event? 🤔
And the whole fixated thing.. I'm 45. I'm not one of the 15sec attention span. Still love the video and think it's a masterpiece.
@A. Ducky yeah but I mean books aren't all the same. A history book is not the same as a book written by an author telling a story of the event. Like you can write a story with nothing but literal details and call it a history book. But if you write a story with historical events that put you into the experience of the event, its a GOOD story.
@UltraspinalKI" he simply should not have taken a risky business venture" in the middle of the fucking great depression, known for making people desperate for money.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Guess those few dollars wasn't worth it huh? Remember that before squeezing into anything other then poon. Even then use caution
Some of you really going to tell us that a dead man who suffered to do what he loves, expose the wonders to the world, and never gave up that it was a stupid idea. Forgive me now or later for saying this please but I hope you find yourself in a scenario where you need as much help as he did, and get rejected because your actions were "stupid of you."
No, he totally deserved to go through all of that. It was an insane thing to go there. Noone in their right mind goes into caves, especially that tight. He fiddled with death and it struck back.
@WoahFlamingo So what? No matter the context, the idea of going into such a cave is insane, no matter the circumstances. If going to a cave was a good idea, most of the people would do that.
@ashrasmun yeah you spend 15 fucking days in a wet pitch black hole where you can barely breathe, have a sharp rock stabbing into you and slowly losing bodyheat
And not only that.. his body has been desecrated and paraded for years on. And that was ok back in the day since the dentist did make a profit from this.
@Azoniar NL i’m sure he spent more than enough time berating himself for that. had he been freed 100 hours in he never would of gone caving again. also if you really think he deserved it, well, he did die down there so
@Azoniar NL yer but he seemed like a good dude. It's a horrible way to go only the worst of the worst deserve that kind of end. Yer he was very dumb to go down there especially alone but still
@Hồ Nguyễn Hoài Bảo fair enough m8. Maybe if it wos like some mega deep shi emotion would capture me but don't have enemies like that do I. Respect the grind set doe. Also rip Floyd. Free my guy... from the cave.
@Azoniar NL It's his own fault, and? You called him dumb and you say you're "torn on it" like as if you're sympathetic with the man. He more than all people thought he was dumb for not only trapping himself there but also "troubling" that many people based off of the statements he gave. You saying the choices he made up to that point was dumb and his own fault is not just pointing out the obvious, it's also insensitive, almost as if trying to make the suffering the man went through trivial because "it's his fault", even if that wasn't your intention that's how it came off. You're right, you didn't say he deserved it. You said he was dumb for going caving and that's his fault, thank you captain obvious.
@Azoniar NL If someone dies and you say we'll it's his own fault for being down there in the first place, it would sound like you are saying, well he deserved it then he shouldn't of been down there.
@Azoniar NL I don't blame because he was desperate to earn money and make a better life for himself. Only thing I can think of is that he shouldn't have gone alone and had help, (friend or family) with him whenever he went down there. First day wouldn't have been wasted then
gerrald the absolute GOAT tho, man went down there and single handedly made more progress than anyone else had, did it again, kept doing it, saw the cave had caved in, kept doing it, then almost broke his back, legend
@Maverick 16 they were friends. and obviously he was a real friend. Yes it might have been stupid logically but he did everything he could to save his friend.
I think Miller might be the most impressive out of all of them. Guys a goddamn journalist, as soon as he published his story he had no obligation to help the man out maybe outside of publicity for his himself and his newspaper. Regardless I imagine he probably would have little to no experience with physical activities so the lengths he went through to save that man is honestly impressive
I can get like looking for adrenaline highs and stuff and even typical cave exploration but i will never understand how people want to squeeze into holes they can only fit in with no air in their lungs.
remember what IH said, he had been doing this for a long time and was already rescued once from a harrowing situation. at that point claustrophobia doesn't strike you as bad, and neither does being stuck in a life-threatening situation i guess
This is better than any movie Hollywood is turning out these days. This had me gripped from start to finish. I can't wait to see more content like this.
I love to watch IH's videos, no doubt. But this story would make a good full-length feature film. It even has an unhappy ending to make you feel crestfallen and an oddball postscript.
Despite such a sad ending, its still amazing how everyone bound together to try and rescue him. From his brother to complete strangers. Rescuers crying when they realized they didn’t reach him on time. One can only hope that if we are ever in trouble, people will help us out.
The sad thing is that all the people willing to help is what ended up killing him. All of those warm bodies in the cave caused the ice to melt, softening the rocks, leading to a cave-in. The cave-in may have still happened if they restricted access, but they may definitely would've had more time to rescue him. Thankfully we live in a time where a professional who is perfect for the job is likely just a few phone calls and a plane ride away.
Sad ending is an understatement. I am trying to put myself in a situation where a loved one's corpse is dug up and disrespected like this then upheld in a court and I can't imagine a scenerio where my reaction didn't put me in jail and those responsible in coffins of their own.
I am honestly shocked it didn't come to that, I'd have more pity for someone that actually killed my mother than someone that made a mockery of her corpse like that.
The people helping wasn't the problem but the hundreds of onlookers doing nothing and going in and out of the cave as well as lighting bonfires is what caused the cave in. If they only got out of the way and only let the people actually doing something they may have been able to get him out in time.
@Rsome Tom Why would someone read the comments before watching the video? And where are the people who finished the video "allowed" to discuss the events in the video?
@Lukycharms lol, if it's condensing a full 10 other videos it can't be very similar to any one of them, so it really can't be plagiarism. Besides, it's fucking history how much originality can you possibly have when describing the same facts? Not to mention this video follows the same general format as every other Internet Historian video, so unless you're saying the entire channel is plagiarised, then the format can't be stolen either. So what are you even claiming is stolen?
@Elton Smith oh no definitely. But I am talking specifically about those who helped. Sadly nearly in all cases where a tragedy is ongoing almost always you have people gawking. Call it morbid curiosity or whatever. At least it wasn’t all just people gawking and recording it for internet or something. I once remember someone got stabbed in a Moscow metro and instead of helping the person people were just recording it :(
@frozenbacon yeah, I mean definitely modern technology allows us to do so much more than back then. But I need ignoring the dumb onlookers who were lighting fires, what was the alternative? You still needed people to go inside and attempt to rescue him so it was inevitable that some heat would be exerted. But yes, as other people, and you mentioned Dash I presume there was some rudimentary understanding of these types of caves, and the fact that people lit fires was just insane.
whatever it is, I’m staying the fuck out of caves 😅😅😅
I knew how this story ended, i knew floyd would die down there, and yet, every second, i was wildly hoping for the best, even questioning if he did die, this is a mark of good storytelling, and a testiment to IH's abilities as a writer, truly magnificent
@Branson Jensen why did you bother reading the comment section first then? The comment section is for people to talk about the video, so of course its going to have spoilers. Kids these days lol
It breaks my heart because I wonder if he didn't know it had just burnt out and people were still working around the clock to save him. Maybe he thought they turned off the light because they were giving up on trying to reach him.
I've read a lot of stories about caving going wrong and to me this is the most heartbreaking one. Imagine seeing your brother and childhood friend come so close to rescuing you from a cave you've been trapped in for over 100 hours only for the cave to collapse. Then imagine spending days hearing the sound of picks and shovels getting closer only to die from exposure after over 300 hours in the cave. This has got to be the worst way to die.
The guy got himself into a stupid situation with no back-up source light, no rope security, and noone to accompany him. Imagine thinking that 23cm tall gaps in underground caves can be considered as "attractive to tourists". Worst way to die, sure, but I won't ever feel bad for someone who got himself in his situation. One less idiot in the world.
@NotxEevee That's a bit harsh. He was young and ambitious but he also had alot of experience with exploring caves so it is maybe a bit weird he did not have any safety measures in mind. But I certainly feel bad for the guy.
@NotxEevee harsh but true. I was also thinking he could have made the hole bigger for tourists. Notice just how few ever wanted to go in for a rescue attempt
@PornstarCheese He likely had that in mind, but he first had to get something the tourists would be willing to come for so he hadn't thought of opening it up.
@PornstarCheese That was what I thought as well when watching this video. I can understand that being poor can make someone desperate, but this wasn't desperation, just stupidity or stubbornness.
There were many simpler solutions to his problem : - Dig a bigger entrance to the tunnel and cave, and craft makeshift support with the nearest available ressources, aka wood and steel. - Work with the competitors to have better infrastructure support for the cave so it can be exploited, all the while getting money by negotiating a cut with said competitors because Lloyd was the proprietor of the cave to begin with. Not considering the fact that there were MULTIPLE competitors who wanted to exploit the mine in the first place, meaning the amount of money he could have made by allowing one company to exploit it and receiving a cut from it would have increased significantly. - Selling the mine to one company, considering that MULTIPLE companies were interested in exploiting the cave, these companies would have placed higher bids in order to have the rights to exploit it, meaning Lloyd could have had the choice of taking the highest amount. - Make the fact that a valuable resource is deep inside that cave public to the authorities so it can attract governmental agencies into exploiting it, with Lloyd either collaborating or striking a deal with said agencies.
Instead, we got : - One man doing the most minimal work by creating smaller than 30cm waist gaps that less than 10% of the population (including minors) can crawl through and thinking "Yeah good enough, tourists will come visit 100% sure".
I'm sorry, but no. No person that would think about the situation more than 2 seconds would agree that the last solution is the best. This is just karma. He knew the risks, he died. End of story.
That final cave-in made me feel overwhelming sadness and frustration. I can’t even imagine what his final moments were like, all alone in the dark after getting so close to freedom.
It reminds me of the Mossdale Caverns tragedy (which only happened about 40 years after this.)
Yeah reminds me of the guy that died in the Nutty Putty Caves, except this story is even worse. Thinking about the agony Floyd must’ve gone through over two weeks is horrible to just imagine.
Let’s all be honest, we’re probably all mad at the townsfolk who didn’t wiggle through the squeeze to help Floyd, but tell me honestly after watching this that you would be willing to do that given the outcome. those three men that went in after him really were built different.
@Alex M That’s the thing, I think they did have a chance to save Floyd if the squatters didn’t come and ruin things/make things harder than they needed to be.
9 inches is a hell of a gap to try to squeeze through without being fully confident you can fit... they were built different in quite a literal way. me, I'm a thiccass boi, and my skull+ears are just a bit over 8 inches across. chest below 9 inches? probably impossible without breaking something, particularly if I'm already wrenching my head completely 90* sideways to fit.
Never go through a turn or drop you can't walk through. In both cases they were stuck in a turn. If they were stuck in a straight passage they could be pulled out.
Sad as it is that he did not ultimately survive, it is inspiring to see the sheer amount of effort that went into attempting to save him from the cave.
This is an odd word choice, but I can only think to say that this story is actually.. heartwarming, how soooo many people came together and tried so hard to save him. Absolutely insane. The longer it goes on the more I can't comprehend the sheer effort and will. At least he knew he wasn't uncared for in the end
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pedro vega2022-10-27 00:03:46 (edited 2022-10-27 00:04:23 )
In the end tho he would had a much higher chance of surviving if there was a small team of people. flking tragic how in the end it turned into a circus with like 10 to 20 people actually helping. probably one of the worst ways to go
How all the miners were constantly ready to dig and burn every last calorie of energy in their bodies to do it, people can be so incredibly driven for each other they turn into machines.
It's harder for something to feel heartwarming when you know the only reason that the state cared for this person is because he was popular, and then you realize all those resources are available, but most people aren't worth it.
This story is so much more than I ever could have imagined...Despite the ups and down, despite how stupid some of the ideas were, you gotta give it to these people. The heart was there and people tried. Many only came for the fame and money to be made, but their were so many people rooting for him that I hope he finds peace
OMG, even hearing it is extremely terrifying to me, i will never understand ppl who are willing to shove themselves into the tight squeeze inside a cave. And this guy nontheless, is doing it day after day, gambling with his life till something happens, not if but when
I never would have expected this channel with its unique, goofy editing style would tell such a scary tale. I am surprised how I was still able to take this story completely seriously, despite the moving jpegs of stock images, and youtuber faces.
This is exactly the sort of reason why you'd never, never, NEVER get me underground in anything but a highly reinforced and open structure FAR from a fault line.
I'm still baffled that IH did quite a serious story. I haven't heard it before but I find myself watching it over and over and researching a little more into it and my god. Little late homie but GREAT video, and Wendigoon of all people absolutely belongs in a video like this. Great team, great history to learn from, great vid in the end.
Well written narrative, fascinating expressive narrator voice, great character voices, creative visuals, well-chosen music, and best of all (I think) is how the sound effects really bring it to life and evoke a sense of place. I'm so glad I found your channel!
Honestly was grinding out and this was perfect to listen to, as much as I was invested in the game I was playing, this was amazing to listen to, defiantly should do more documentaries like this
i put on this video as background ambience as i worked on a drawing and by the 15 minute mark i was almost entirely engrossed in the storytelling. amazing video, i've never been more focused on an hour long video in my entire life
I just hope all the people who worked to make this know, that i watched this instead of my knightly film, and enjoyed it just as much if not more. a actual 9/10 movie experience.
I’m sure this video is amazing, and I’ll get around to watching it, but that zoom out at 5:08 almost gave me a panic attack. It’s one thing to listen to this story (like the Dollop’s excellent episode) but seeing it visualized might be too much for me.
Internet Historian didn't mention that even when they dug down to Floyd that they still couldn't get him out. It wasn't that it was too dangerous it was that they couldn't get to the pinned leg to remove the rock. When Homer dug him out he had to dig a completely different tunnel so they could get to his pinned leg. So even if Floyd had been alive when they got to him he still wouldn't have been freed for a while.
I saw the Jacob Geller video Fear of Depths a while ago and as soon as I saw the photo of Floyd I knew already that he had died after weeks in the cave, and yet I was still hopeful even when I knew how it ended. I didn't know anything else about the story other than when he died but it was still so well told. Thank you
Been to mammoth caves and the formations are beautiful especially the cave waterfalls but some of those entrances are down right horrific. Im talking a 4 ft entrance with an immediate 15 ft drop
This is an absolute masterpiece. Internet historian has always been good content but this.. this puts the history channel to shame.. this is exceptional.
Quite the opposite, considering the History Channell when it does show history, actually tells it correctly without putting a ton of bullshit in that he cant even prove with his sources.
@Super Anderson TV Didn't know you meant THAT side. Yeah in general they're going downhill with their programming, but the things they did put out were actually historical, and got shit right. Unlike this here.
To those of you in the comments speaking of how poetic his death is: it isn't. There's nothing poetic about dying alone after losing all hope for survival. I have been caving. Only twice for real, and nothing quite as dangerous as that, but there is real terror in being trapped in a cave alone. Even surrounded by people, with your limbs free, pitch blackness can be terrifying. He spent hours alone, in the dark, with no one on the other side. Even if he had prepared for something like it as a solo caver, there is nothing quite like the true reality of the situation. Knowing that, I think no caver would've ever left him in that cave. I'm glad he's out.
I think with today's technology, we should try to get to the cave where Floyd was trying to go in the first place. The beautiful scenery with a massive open space. The place should be named after Floyd to commemorate his resolve.
I've heard this story before, a couple times, yet for some reason it's taken me 3 attempts to get through this video. I think it's the intro, description, and visual depiction.
I confused as to why floyd was so deep in this cave if he was trying to open it up to tourists. If you were trying to widen the cave, so that you could walk or crouch through it, wouldn't you start from the beginning and start digging?
Seems like he was just exploring it to see if there were any large openings anywhere. He was so fearless that the idea of getting trapped probably never crossed his mind.
Not going to lie. I've watched this at least 10 times all the way through. Not in one sitting but throughout the upload date. Even told my girl that this would be our movie night selection. She was happy with it.
"The best helmsmen stand on the shore." It's the literal translation of an old Dutch proverb dating back to the time when Holland Ruled The Wa- well, at least the VOC did for a good part.
Anyway, I'll add my piece of advice that might have been of some use at the time.
Thanks for not talking about human excrement and urination through the whole video. I'm certain the smell was mentioned in the sources, but culling it raised the suspense. It would have made the video kinda gross to rewatch
I don’t really understand how the snow melt or the loitering really affected the integrity of the gave that much. Didn’t this all go down over a matter of weeks?
People going "idiots these days and their cancel culture" when these people were trying to cancel a dying man in a cave and the people who broke themselves physically and mentally trying to help
now, the most surprising thing about this video is: who the fuck are the 2000 plus people that disliked this story from history? are they the 2000 other cave owners that got mad that Sand Cave actually got more tourists?
A wonderful story, and I appreciate your telling of it.
With that being said, it is absolutely disgusting to be reminded of just how utterly stupid and callous human beings can be when people's lives are in danger. Spoilers below:
The vast majority of people would rather gawk than to make meaningful attempts to help those in tragedy, treating the lives of others without any respect.
This man would have lived if more people had been willing to help, and fewer people had been crowding around. The man would have lived if they had thought to shore up the structurally failing cave from early into the process - something any engineer that heard of the story should have thought to suggest, rather than waiting until it was too late. So many things could have been done better, and ultimately his death was turned into a tourist attraction by yet more people who care more about money than about basic human dignity.
It just occurred to me that if he was trapped in there for that long then he definitely was sitting in his own excrement which just adds a whole additional layer of “yikes” to the whole situation.
We think the cave killed the man. But in the end, each step of the way, what killed poor Floyd was rampant Capitalism. Mad respect for all the friends, volunteers and miners involved. And yet again, one heck of a video by internet historian
Rampant capitalism? If anything capitalism helped Floyd because the paper sent a journalist who became very helpful. People selling hot dogs outside didn't stop anyone from helping Floyd.
Important Timestamps for Man in a Cave Sorry for how many there are and if the way I timestamp is inconsistent! 0:00-5:31; Introduction 5:31-7:26; AD time 7:26-11:47; Brief Explanation of the Cave Situation/Who is Floyd Collins? 11:17-14:16; Hours 0-28 14:16-19:46; Homer Collins Enters the Cave/Hours 28-71 19:46-23:22; William Miller Enters the Cave/ Hours 71-75 23:22-24:28; Publicization of Sand Cave 24:28-25:50; Lt. Robert Burdon Enters the Cave/ Hours 75-79 25:50-28:54; The Rope Pull 28:54-31:11; Johnnie Gerald Enters the Cave/ Hours 79-88 31:11-32:25; Burdon vs the Locals/ Hours 88-100 32:25-34:45; Miller Interviews Floyd/ Hours 100-103 34:45-36:15; Tourism Boom in Cave City/ Hours 103-108 36:15-38:34; Miller Moves the Rock/ Hours 108-122 38:34-40:09; Henry Carmichael and the National Guard Arrives/ Hours 122-114 40:09-42:03; Casey Jones Enters the Cave & Floyd’s Last Plead 42:03-43:58; First Cave-In/ Hours 144-128 43:48-44:49; Gerald’s Plan, Re-Stabilizing the Cave/ Hours 128-132 43:49-47:51; Second Cave-In & Mistakes/ Hours 132-142 47:51-50:52; Henry Carmichael’s Plan, Dig & The Problem with Machines/ Hours 142-152 50:52-52:39; Hand Digging the Rescue Tunnel/ Hours 152-170 52:39-55:14; Rumors 55:14-57:53; Digging Continues/ Hours 170-411 57:53-1:00:03; Digging Ends & Floyd’s Death 1:00:03-1:02:18; What Happened After? 1:02:18-1:02:52; Floyd is Laid to Rest 1:02:52-1:05:07; Capitalism Sure Does Breed Innovation & Floyd’s Dead Body Becomes an Attraction 1:05:07-1:07:27; Floyd’s Rescue and/or Grave Robbery 1:07:27-1:08:59; Floyd is Finally Out 1:08:59-1:09:55; Thank You’s and Extras
The trippy death scene caused be to Sub.... let's see what else you've got. ....my god... if I drank a bunch of coffee after a dozen sausage sandwiches I'd fill the cave behind me right up.
Great video! The newfound claustrophobia/PTSD kept me awake at for 2 nights - but it was nice to find out that most involved turned into exploiting shit-bags. It made me love this world again- sorry, reaffirmed my nihilism again.
The End. For now... The life of stone is a very ancient and patient one. The cave will outlive us all and one day, it will reclaim the bones of its sacrifice and Floyd will remain within its cold grasp for all eternity.
Apart from the near countless things IH gets wrong, He was never reburied even once in Sand Cave. He was reburried in HIS cave, known as Crystal Cave. Y'know, one that was actually accessible. But of course IH cant be bothered to put the facts in his video. I did.
It was man vs nature and he lost, it was society vs nature and they lost them it was nature and society just disrespecting this poor man's corpse for all the profits possible
How mean to leave hos body in the cave. But don't believe for a second that his sould wasn't free. When he died, his soul soared high and no rock or gravel could stop him InshAllah.
If you have claustrophobia this is the worst thing to watch. Tried watching it, had to look away multiple times because the visuals just gave me the heebie-jeebies.
Thank you for using easy to understand measurements like inches and Subway sandwiches. My American brain can't understand metric. How many football feilds deep is the cave?
Damn Homer and Miller were truly men of integrity, Miller turns down a million dollars so he can write proper coverage of the tragedy and Homer uses his money to dig his brother's body out. Can many of us truly say we'd do the same?
I actually drew this scenario in an exercise at the fire station when I first became a captain (all on paper before anyone thinks we collapsed a cave on someone for laughs). I think I had an easier time of it with modern equipment and mutual aid from 4 rescue squads available, plus getting a feeding tube, IV drip, and cardiac monitor on with a Surgeon to supervise (as I say, all on paper, since we can’t trap someone in a cave just for training).
On paper, we had “Floyd” out 21 hours after being found. In real life, I never want to be involved in a rescue like that.
@Dominic Troche in the drill, we could only use tools the county could provide in the first 72 hrs, after which command would be turned over to “outside entities”. So basically we used the sheriffs office to push onlookers back 500 feet from the cave, then had our medical team place the above mentioned life support equipment (luckily we have two medically trained people who are absolutely tiny and fearless of tight spaces or darkness). The “squeeze” was drilled out with a combination of concrete drills and old fashion hammer and chisel, which generously allowed for a crawlspace of 14 inches after 12 hours. This was done by breaking everything up into multiple relief crews. There were 6 “drill” teams of 3 each, whose only job was to drill out tight areas. They were backed up by a “shoring” team that composed 5 people who would make sure the cave was structurally sound by use of rescue jacks( if you’ve never seen them, you can use 4 of them to lift a house 10 feet off the ground if you know how to brace them right). After widening the squeeze, a drill team was to start chipping away at the rock face directly over the victims torso. This accomplished two things. It negated much of the upward force issue of a rope pull, and it provided extra space to dig out the gravel and get to the boulder. By hr 20 (and I understand this exercise was generous for time, under real conditions it may have been quite a bit longer), the squeeze was drilled out, the rock face above victim was reduced, most of the debris was removed around victim, and a 4 foot pry bar was placed on a pivot block to lift the rock. At that point, it was just lift the rock, move his leg, use a rescue harness to extricate, then placed on a backboard to be carried out. (It is worth mentioning that our surgeon believed that the victim would need to be monitored in the ICU for at least a week due to compartment syndrome on the possibly broken leg or due to blood clots from being in a supine position for 50 hours). Now i do believe this to be the most straightforward tactic if you’re a rural fire department without a large amount of specialized equipment, but had the exercise given the option, I would have preferred to call in a mine rescue team (there are 2 that can be on scene in our district within 4 hours) for extra equipment and expertise. I still think the time frame was a bit generous, as some of the conditions mentioned in this video weren’t directly accounted for other than to say “unlikely with proper crowd control”.
@LC Merit so this was one of the random draws. There were 8 possible scenarios on our draw card for captain, based on real events.
1. Well rescue (baby Jessica) 2. Cave rescue (Floyd Collins) 3. Commercial fire with entrapment. 4. Commercial fire with HAZ-MAT (propane storage yard) 5. Mass Transit MVA (a school bus over the guardrail halfway down a ridge) 6. Brush fire with structures in danger (Gatlinburg wildfire was not long before this) 7. Tornado (same year one hit Cookeville, TN) 8. Flood rescue (flooded subdivision without road access).
The draw cards were for more mentally taxing jobs, the instructor at the time liked to throw people into difficulty and see if they could make a plan.
Jag Girl2022-10-15 04:37:33 (edited 2022-10-15 04:40:19 )
It's amazing how better equipment, training and experts can make a huge difference to the rescue. I'm with you, no one would want to be put in a position like this. It would be terrible either way. I know Australia has been pretty good in rescues like this. For bringing over professional drilling equipment etc.
@RFD804 Thank you for the detailed explanation! Since I saw this video, I've gotten fascinated with looking up how to do a rescue right. It's brain bleach to hear the fire department would have a plan.
Same thing going through my mind as a first responder. What equipment could we use? How realistic would our effort be and what extra resources could we call in.
@Jag Girl Modern technology has made cave rescue a lot easier for sure. In the 1920's they simply did not have the equipment we have available now. On top of that we also have better administration for public services like f.ex. firefighter departments due to a century of improvements. Communication and transportation are also much faster and efficient so it would be easy to fly in experts quickly if need be.
The fact Floyd Collins essentially had to rely on local volunteers to rescue him until his predicament became national news is not very likely to happen nowadays.
@Jag Girl Also most experienced cavers nowadays wouldn't go anywhere near a cave like Sand Cave which was made up by sandstone and limestone held together with dirt and mud. It was basically bound to collapse at some point and Floyd Collins himself only hastened that inevitability by expanding it in the months leading up to the collapse.
Truth is Sand Cave would never have been suitable for cave exploration let alone be open for tourists (I will also add that IH made a small mistake by implying Collins corpse was put on display in Sand Cave. Obviously it wasn't because it was neither suitable for visitors nor was Sand Cave even located on the Collins property. His corpse was put in Crystal Cave; the cave Collins originally wanted to use for tourists).
@Jag Girl If they'd blocked off the area and told people to go home, the tourists would've been mad and said "Aw man, you're ruining all our fun," and in 1920s America, what was really the priority?
how would the surgeon reach him what guarantee is there that the rock wouldnt collapse on him if moved or widened seems like a ton if variables i can totally see why you wouldnt want to do this the real cause of his death was rubbernecking.... thats whats sad they saw the cave deteriorating and decided to not change any behavior.
@bastiat the surgeon to place a feeding tube was a standby to kick in if things had gone longer (when I say supervise, I mean standing at the top of the cave with a field phone giving instructions to the medics). The other medical interventions can be performed by an EMT-A in our region, or by county EMS paramedics.
As far as the collapse potential, that’s a risk we take on most of our calls involving man made or natural structures. You can brace all you want but the potential is always there. The plan isn’t perfect, and there are probably other rescue techs that have better ideas. This is just what myself and two lieutenants war gamed at the table when the chief instructor handed us the packet.
@RFD804 you mean being a useless cunt got ya because you cant wipe your ass with out a instruction manual i like how your ideas all revolve around someone being in charge instead of people using common sense. pretty clear how capable you are on your own.
If they had just stuck to digging him out with a bucket in the first place, and there hadn't been national news about it.. the outcome would have been different.
thats the art of being a master story teller. IH is a great literary master. he clearly has a great appreciation for stories. I'd also like to point out the poetic nature of human life and death. With absolutely no hope of survival, shortly after the literal light went out, Floyd died. Can't make that stuff up. Humans are far more rooted in symbolism than we like to give ourselves credit.
Mad respect for Miller but you also gotta give Homer a ton of respect. That’s a man who was willing to crawl into hell without hesitation to save his brother.
Let's also not forget about Gerald. Sure he might've been experienced with caving more than the two but he sure did his absolute hardest to get Floyd out. If he didn't get hit by that rock, maybe he'd make a hole to contact him once again. Truly a great friend.
These three lads - Homer, Miller and Gerald all deserve respect and shall never be forgotten.
Shame internet historian trapped him in a cave and starved him for this video. But I’m sure Wendigoon understands that his life is totally worth losing for our entertainment
Or stuck in a cave with an ethernet cable that your rescuers have kindly thought about installing in advance. Hello to all my stuck spelunkers with Internet access!
I shudder to think what Floyd experienced in the time between the lightbulb burning out and his death from exposure. Undeserving of such a cruel fate. My heart grows heavy at the thought.
It's poetically tragic that he finally passed on just after the lightbulb went out. Like his last bits of hope died with it and he just decided to let go.
@JonokBR ™ we have the same empathetic response and I pray Floyd knows how many and how much people truly do care about and feel for him, are impressed by his bravery, strength, and grit and are saddened by his tragedy. That counts for something, even retroactively.
Same.. it breaks my heart to think what he had to go through from the beginning. It's a terrifying situation. He did not deserve that. No one deserves that... I don't know if prayers will reach him, but I'd love to believe they do. RIP Floyd.
@YK68 hurr durr hitler was sooo bad. What the bolshevihks and escpecially stalin did to Russia and the rest of Europe faaaar eclipse anything the NSDAP ever did.
The ending with all the cast members just gives out a wholesome vibe. Makes me feel grateful for friends, being alive and not being trapped in a cave 🙂
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Sven Kortjohn2022-10-04 07:47:02 (edited 2022-10-04 07:48:55 )
have you ever thought that throughout all your lives sometimes you lives a life where you get further from people and sometimes you live a life where we get closer. many people say we are all one underneath this illusion of life as separate beings in life so as we get closer in each life we become closer to the ultimate true state of one being.
It's honestly so sad that Homer died in 1969 and never got to see his brother finally be brought out of the cave and laid to rest. I like to think they saw each other again somewhere in the great beyond.
This story really shows the duality of man. On one hand, it's people coming together for a common cause to help out someone in need, on the other it's the disgusting exploitation of a tragedy for self gain.
It had to have been such an unimagnable horror to be stuck in that cave for so long but the silver lining to these tragedies is that in the aftermath people were able to develop both tools & techniques to rescue people from caves and protocols to make sure something like this doesn't happen again in the first place.
@Juxtaposed Lime Well that dude was f'd if you see how he was stuck, which was upside down at an awkward angle. No amount of modern technology could have saved him.
Nutty Putty incident is a prime example of how un-excusably bad modern cave rescue equipment is. No money gets put into that kind of research... Which shows where government priorities lie.
As a digging man myself, I don't think most ppl know what lies beneath the first 3-4 ft of ground soil. It's bedrock. Without automatic tools, its the most backbreaking, slow, grueling work I've ever done. Also, all the townspeople do gather round to watch you dig. As it is one of the most subtle joys in all the world. The simple yet satisfying sound of metal hitting dirt.
I don't know how you can say a depth on bedrock, that's different everywhere. When our well was dug the drillers made it over 100 ft before hitting the first rock. All clay. Sure is easy to dig ponds and lakes here though.
Even just with pickaxes the amount of folk up top and lallygagging could’ve made a great amount of effort digging straight down. The amount of folk who turned around at turn around cave could have expanded that gap. Then again I don’t know Jack and only made a couple Fox holes, small tunnels and trenches in my time and Iam less then a novice on the topic. Edit note this was post ww1 they did extensive tunnel work in that war so how were there not more professionals involved? Also I love that one of the people involved was named Casey jones. I swear the crowds caused the cave in, how only one guy realize that is beyond me. Final edit note: I saw Thomas Shelby in the crowd in this vid and I love that.
oh yes...hobby gold digger here...I was utterly surprised how hard it is to dig in a river when I did for the first time...it´s like concrete, almost impossible to get something out of there, I had a pickaxe but that did not help very much...
Bedrock depth varies wildly. For example, in California, you can be near the coast, and bedrock can be 300 feet deep due to the ocean carrying sediments onto the shoreline; then you can head a mile inland and bedrock will be sticking through the surface (overburden). In parts of upstate New York and southern Ontario, a shallow ocean (Champlain Sea) once covered the area, and as a result, the area is covered by a hundred meters of glaciomarine clay overlaying limestone.
All that to say that bedrock depth is incredibly variable depending on where you are. In areas like cordilleras or that have experienced significant glaciation in the (relatively) recent past, bedrock depth can go from very deep to very shallow in a very short distance. If you think of the topography you see on the surface; there is equally as much "topography" in the bedrock depth underneath the loose soil that overlies it.
@Kevin Cheuk NE US. I think it's due to the ground freezing during winter. It creates these super condensed layers of rocks that are tougher than concrete. Great question, where did you dig and what was it like? If anyone has a good dig story, this is the place.
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John Doe2022-10-05 01:40:03 (edited 2022-10-05 01:40:40 )
@Ryan at the discotec Like I said, the clay where we are (central MO) is very deep and all colors of the rainbow. We were digging a lake to stop a large ditch eroding up a branch. Had to stop digging in one area as the ground started swimming...thin crust on top but felt liquidy underneath. We took a 20 ft length of rebar, poked it through the crust, and sank it all the way down by hand with no resistance. Pulled it back out, and it was covered in a blue, slimy, pudding consistency clay. No idea how deep that pocket went.
It's really sad when you realize that Floyd probably would've been saved if either all those people were ordered away by the police, or if Floyd/Miller realized they should just tie the wooden blocks together so they wouldn't slip underneath the jack.
Or got a bigger block. It couldn't have been that hard to ask someone to cut a wooden block of the proper dimensions. This is a tragic tale of just slightly too little and far too late at every stage.
@Pax what makes me wonder, is why they didnt just start digging immedietly. And why the guy didnt dig himself instead of crawling far in and picking up rocks. Like if the goal is tourism. Who would wanna go past the squeeze even if he did manage to clear those rocks. Seems like he wasted months on clearing a path further in than any tourist would be willing to go anyway.
@PvtLenny because at first they didn''t have enough manpower to do such digging operation. it was only possible after the word got out and the government got involved.
You have to understand that the entrance was REALLY difficult and was getting worse each time they entered (because of ice melting). And people that were saving him had minimum experience in caves altogether, let alone these types of slim junctions. They were experiencing existential dread every f*cking time they entered the room. So it was mentally easier to try again and again, than go out for 15 minutes and then come back and face that hole. Heck, they had an example before their eyes every time they entered. A slight mistake and now you have 2 men trapped inside. Logical solution would be to provide food, water and light supplies regularly, make him a pillow or something, so his head is not in the water constantly, while professionals dag up for a week and freed him from the other side, like his brother did afterwards, to his legs, and not to his head. Many ideas were discussed but they were all too late.
@PvtLenny did you really think digging straight down is easy lol, especially done by the locals? What if they dug it carelessly and a freaking 1 ton rock just slammed into his face lmao its not minecraft
@Jun Gerald literally told everybody when they first arrived that they couldn't stand around because all the heat from the fires would cause a cave collapse. People didn't care about Floyd, they just wanted to watch the drama unfold.
For those of you who don't know, this event scenario actually happened again.
in 2009, John jones. a cave diver enthusiast went down to the nutty putty cave, a " cave for beginners "
He went down in there several times, and is likely a regular diver, but unfortunately, he ended up in the wrong pathway, instead of going to the " Aotra Crawl ", he ended up in " Ed's push " which is kinda like floyd's place, but even more tighter and John jones was Head first down,
The difference is, till this day, John jones' body is still inside the cave, and is officially considered his cave grave, they could never retreave his body because the cave was extremely tight and rescuers can't even pull up or simply reach his body.
@Beep Bop He wanted to go to the deeper section of the cave, but unfortunately took a different opening simply because he missed it and didn't know which was the right one, so he ended up head first at the dead end of the cave which was also a full drop. called " Ed's push "
Gets even more sad, guy just got into med school, came back to Utah with his wife and infant daughter for thanksgiving break and passed away thanksgiving morning after I think 3 days. I think with him being inverted put too much of a strain on his heart to oxygenate his blood. Really a heart breaking story.
@Justin Kashtock imagine seeing a hole that's not even a subway sandwich long and you decide I wanna crawl into that. Then you are in that hole and can only move when you exhale.
That part where Floyd calls the other person to stay with them so that he does not die alone. Bone.fucking.chilling. That truly shows how a man who knows he is going to die reacts. What fear can do to a person... Darn man. Bone fucking chilling still.
I don't think he expected to die at that point. Many people had come see him and they went and came back for him multiple times. I think he just wanted to not wait alone in the dark for another day.
He was also probably not in his right mind. Like he said before, the inconsistent food, loss of blood circulation and hypothermia made his speech somewhat unintelligible and delirious at times. If he was perfectly lucid he might said things differently, but hey maybe not. Still seriously fucked up tho.
It's pretty heart shattering that Floyd very nearly intentionally trapped a man in the cave with him just to avoid dying alone, only to end up dying alone anyway, with no idea if anyone was even attempting to come for him anymore.
@Benz :p They die from hypothermia or heat stroke! It depends on the situation. Floyd died from hypothermia. I am a caver and just caving for 16 hours, I have felt the beginning effects of hypothermia, the first symptom is uncontrollably shivering and the next problem is not being able to think straight. I had gotten wet as well. Its a scary experience.
I was legit yelling when you spoke about the tourists driving there and forming around the cave, im sure that was another part of why the cave collapse. This was so fucking captivating, the anger of peoples stupidity, hope, optimism, fear, anxiety and eventually melancholic sadness. I unironically almost cried watching this a and i dont fully understand why
@gupiwa no other world leader would invade another nation sending into turmoil and costing tens of thousands of lives. No one else but putin, he’s the worst.
[46:00-47:17] Gerald is as close as humans can get to a demonstration of goodwill and the strength of selflessness. He is hit in the head with a loose rock and digs like a man possessed to save his soul-brother. Only when he nearly dies does he even attempt to stop, and he still supports his best friend by coming to oversee the rescue efforts.
i swear, never have I ever witnessed a video that managed to make me feel so much hope and despair in less than 2 hours as this one. the whole situation was tense for the entire time from the moment he got stuck to the moment they found him dead. the amount of effort, time, and hope people put in to saving one man was awe inspiring even if it turned out to be all for nothing. In the end, the lesson of this is that caving is a stupid stunt humans do because some of us seemingly don't have enough claustrophobia and that Floyd was a victim of the absolute bullshit that is getting stuck in something so well that a small army of people couldn't save him.
and then there's the section of his grave and corpse being vandalized which also reminds me that humans are terrible creatures that can't help but mess with stuff they have no justification to mess with.
this level of cinematic quality is why I am subscribed to this channel.
Yeah nah. Floyd just happened to be a caver 100 years ago. With modern technology he wouldn't be nearly as fucked. Now, as for Nutty Putty Cave, that's a different story...
@cool dud oof, don't even remind me of nutty putty cave. that's pure nightmare fuel and probably 95% why i'll never willingly enter a cave that isn't super wide and well terriformed.
That's what I was thinking, the fact that he was also able to win tug of war against the six men because they were crushing his brother is so crazy too. Brother of the century bruh
can you IMAGINE the mental torture it would have been to be one of those rescuers and realize that Floyd would have likely survived if not for the giant crowds making a mockery of the whole thing? Instead of getting slim men to volunteer, taking shifts, that rubble would have been cleared in a few days.
@Dolorous John Literally I put myself in Homer's position and I was like "I don't know if I'd be brave enough to do what he did" but as soon as I actually imagined my own sister in FLOYD'S position, it was crystal clear that I absolutely would go down. No way could I leave her all alone in that situation, no matter how scared I might be ;_;
Never would I have thought that the internet historian re telling a story from the 1920’s would have been in a giant puddle of tears but here we are. Rip Floyd, if only knew how much of a legend he was
This one hour video only felt like 20 minutes, I have felt such a wide range of emotions. I will never go caving, let alone underwater diving into anything like that at all.
More excellent content from an excellent YouTuber. Not a moment of this whole video lacked suspense. The humorous scenes and remarks were all genuinely funny. Some of the best, if not the best video essays on the site.
Thank You for making this documentary on Floyd. I would have not known about this unfortunate historic incident, but man this makes me not want to go in caves even more now.
if any of this had ever worked. how would he have tunneled out the "turnaround room" i understand that the idea of excavating your own cave is particularly... mad … but what was he going to do? smack the entrance to the "squeeze" with a pickaxe? imo if this gravel cave in didn't claim his life. another one would of weeks or months later. your story telling is immense.
This should’ve been a showcase on how our capacity to care for complete strangers and our strength in cooperation can lead to great things.
But it was instead a showcase on the folly of those very things. I’m sure most weren’t there for money and truly wished for the best. But too many of them cared and wanted to help, literally muddying the situation and causing the cave in. An excess of care and cooperation took his life.
Goes to show that too much good nature in people can be a bad thing in some circumstances. Which is a very cynical, even disturbing prospect personally speaking.
Favorite fella in the story was definitely Miller, he was just a news reporter at the start, but then he started giving it his all out of compassion. He was Homer's first piece of hope.
Oh hey I visited this cave once, when we visited Mammoth Caves. Obviously we only looked into the very opening of it, but even just being told the story by a tour guide was freaky enough as is
Great story, as always! But I was wondering why they didn't go through the other way while he was alive and lifted the rock? I mean if that's how the body was recovered it should have worked earlier, no?
19:32 Okay so far you are making a tragic story extremely funny I mean a family member going to find his brother wondering if he's dead or alive crawling out to the hole and the other brother finding him and he just says" sup" effing genius and then anytime anyone gets up to turn around point yep nope and with that voice makes it so much better
That bastard of a cave. I knew how the story was going to end as I watched and I couldn't stop myself from getting hopeful. I legitimately thought he might have gotten out again this time. Thought I must have confused this story with another one. Thought THIS TIME THE MAN SURVIVES.
What technique did they use to determine the exact location of where to dig so they end up digging right on top of his head? And how'd they know the depth so precisely? Barometer I guess?
The end had me dying laughing, like bro they couldn’t stop messing with this poor f——ers body even after he was dead, dude was gone and still kept getting sent into the f——ing cave
I went to the mammoth caves a couple years ago, and I pissed in an abandon bathroom that looked like it was ripped right out of an office building, but run down. I needed to piss and…cave. So I found it and the door was open but jo lights were on, so I pissed and when I got back to our group a tour guide started telling us a story about someone who pissed in an abandon bathroom down here and how crazy it was, while I was sitting thinking “sick now he gets to say it happened twice”
this seems more like a storymode thing there are some more interesting internet concepts that i was hoping you guys would cover but i guess your going for obscure history
I think the thing that strikes me most about this story is how easily a profit was made by essentially mocking Floyd's death. The ease at which greed was able to work, compared to the agonizing effort to save the man by the few people who were selfless enough to actually try, leaves me feeling very bitter.
Fun fact : recently a very similar story happened in Morocco couple of months ago
It's about a kid named Ryan who accidentally felt in a well while playing around and his story became very famous in the Arab world Unfortunately he was found died one week after the accident .
Ok but seriously now my condolences to this man's family, losing a loved one is one of the worst experiences you could ever feel, especially when it's just a child.
Hadn’t heard this story but as it got going I recognized it’s basic contours from Billy Wilder’s Ace in the Hole, which took the basic outline of what happened and made a fictional story out of it. It’s a great movie, but it’s ironic that the Kirk Douglas journalist character who goes down into the cave to get the story is portrayed as the biggest piece of shit in a movie filled with pieces of shit. The character might not be named Miller, but still…. If I were Miller, I’d have been pissed given the whole “almost dying trying to rescue him” thing.
So a guy risks his life daily in a tight crevice to move some rocks so he can get into a beautiful opening in this cave. Instead of... you know, picking away at the sh*t ton of rock and make the crevice into hallways and ramps, which he would've needed to do anyway if he was going to make the cave a tourist attraction. Are you really going to force people to go through The Squeeze to get to the crystal cavern?
Yes, it would take a long while. Time is money. But is Little Miss Tabitha Jane Johnson really going to get her new dress dirty and risk her life to go down in these caves, see the crystals, and pay you a dollar? Would you be able to compensate her family if she was injured or even died? Are you really considering risking your own life to clear this pile of rocks from an already tight crevice just so you can later realize you'll have to mine out a ton of rock anyway? Yes. Yes you are. And for your wasted efforts, you will die a slow and painful death in the dark. You can't run a business if you're dead, Floyd.
The thing is even if he was rescued, it's highly likely that he would have died in hospital. Basically what happens when you're immobilized by rubble (as with this case or for example people trapped in buildings after an earthquake) is that the blood flow is restricted, causing your muscles not to get adequate oxygen, causing them to break down and release myoglobin in the blood stream. This will cause kidney failure. If you're eventually suddenly released from the entrapment without proper preparation, the sudden re-introduction to oxygen to your extremities can cause a "reoxygenation injury", after which you appear like you're recovering and then suffer cardiac arrest and die.
Historian, why do you do this to us? Anyone else with massive recall of the Thai cave rescue? I remember being at the supermarket and I refreshed the news and saw two more boys were out and I let out a little happy noise. It was a bit louder than I intended and some people looked up, I said, another two boys are out of the cave! Massive grin on my face. And the like four randoms were like, oh awesome! I know, I know, then everyone clapped yadda yadda... But this was just a moment in time uniting 5 random people in a supermarket late at night over the fruits and vegetables. Good memory
LMMFAO 100 years now let's call it even LOL oh shit it hurts I don't know how you did this but you turned a horrible and sad story into something extremely funny to me that's genius great job
I wonder of Floyd died before or after the lightbulb. Did he spend his last minutes in darkness or did he at least have a small light at his side to guide him over to the other side?
36:00 also with all of those people you're telling me that they couldn't just make a new hole or make the holes bigger just in general with all of those people if one person carried a bucket out then another goes in carries another bucket out they can make all holes wider that would make it much easier to get him out what the hell is wrong with humans they don't care they just want to be like oh I was there when this happened what a tragic story could I helped yeah but you know I don't want to get my clothes dirty or scratched up
36:00 I thought it was bad enough that people were camping out just a few people or like 20 people now they got 10,000 people there won't that kind of mess things up
I have never hated a group of people more than everyone who contributed to this tragedy. From the stupid bystanders to the despicable businessmen, to even the radio people who didn't even fact check the people pretending to be Floyd
A prime example of man's uncanny abilities to both unite and help one another in times of need and also to throw blame around and waste time when it's crucial. That and how greed can make people do absolutely horrendous and disgusting things.
I dont understand how he would have gotten the tourists to come through the tiny little squeezeholes into the main place? You know, he coulda just instead of chipping away at the very end part just chipped away at the places that were the most tight?
The reason why Miller refused to profit is because he felt guilty. As he realized that all the attention he brought to Floyd ended up being the reason why he died.
This story is very silmilar to Billy Wilder's film 'Ace in the Hole', except in the film, the reporter exploits the man stuck in the cave instead of actually wanting to get him out. I wouldn't be surprised if the film was based on this story.
Okay this definitely does not sound like a creepypasta but I think someone went off of this story because they did go by the caves names that's what made me think this was a creepypasta and they added like there was a creature down there that unworldly cryptic creature in the cave would give you headaches and things like that but they did base it off of this cave I believe but very interesting story so far I'm at the point where I just found out he got himself stuck in a situation almost like this before so let's just say Floyd does not make the brightest decisions in life
Again I don't know why they didn't do something like that at the beginning I think I said like about 40 minutes ago why didn't they make another tunnel or somehow widen it and make sure nobody that doesn't need to be there isn't there all those people just sitting around doing nothing could have been doing something I'm truly surprised that the light bulb still worked I mean they must have had extraordinary lights back then because the lights we have now suck ass well I don't know LED is pretty good but before that they sucked
Damn I kind of wish it was his brother and the people that were there first or what would be better is that they'd get enough Dynamite to crush that whole entire cave just destroy the whole thing screw it
Wait a second this is a creepy pasta and a very creative one because the person that made it did some research and then went into the cave I don't think it's the same exact cave though took the pictures so they would have some type of proof but it ended up being fake but that's the whole great thing about a creepypasta you're not sure is this real is this fake one of my favorites is Ben drowned and this one is up there as well because there's proof
I think that you should watch cannibal the Musical and do one of these on Alfred Packard packer anyways check out cannibal the Musical if you haven't already watched it it would be awesome if you did a video on that situation the same way you did this now I have to check out other videos that you made this is great
Watching this was like watching one of those videos that are going to tell you 5 fitness/diet tips that are gonna change your life forever... and they swear they'll get to it in a minute... but first there's like 20-50 minutes of other pontificating and shameless self-promotion.
30:50 go Gerald I mean why didn't anyone else start doing this before there's tons of people out there there's not one skinny enough to get through that hole and they all fat this isn't nowadays America this is back in the days where people were fit
As a Kentuckian who has been caving and loves Mammoth cave hiking and spelunking, the Collins story is a roller coaster of emotions that are truly difficult to understand if the reader has never been caving themselves. IH has done an incredible job of illustrating the claustrophobic and terrifying conditions that Collins and all cavers face when caving. The tight squeezes where even a slight change in clothes or the rock surrounding can trap you forever, the nearly invisible ceiling that can drop rocks and kill without warning, and the mental fortitude being eroded away within absolute darkness.
When I was in scouts and went caving for the first time, our caving guide who was 30 years experienced drilled into us the dangers of caving as us kids could climb through small gaps but the adults could not follow. We were excited as it was gonna basically be one giant McDonalds playground, so we couldn't wait to breeze through the safety meeting and start crawling. He slowly went through the safety conversation, always have a buddy, never crawl downwards, always cave slowly and methodically, but as 10-14 year old kids it went in one ear, out the other.
Recognizing this, he asked us all to tell us what we each feared the most. I said I feared heights and falling, he then explained that mountain/rock climbing are very similar to caving: arrogance and sloppiness can instantly and irreversibly seal your death, the former being a terrifying and quick splat while the later is a slow and agonizing smothering. That if we went somewhere that was too small for the adults to go, it was almost like dangling from a cliff with no harness. He tore everyone's minds open and made sure we understood the seriousness of the situation, that there wouldn't be police officers or fire fighters to catch us, and we would be trapped forever.
Everyone became uncomfortable and adults tried cheering everyone up to lighten the mood, while 1 adult went aside with the guide to ask why he was scaring everyone on purpose. He said "I would rather them be terrified than watch them carelessly crawl into their own tomb."
I had forgotten those words for all these years as nothing bad had ever happened on that trip or any subsequent trips after, but this video excavated the memory, and I now understand. I remember us kids crawling through entrances about a foot wide to go into a much larger chamber, how the guide showed us that this area was safe because it was sturdy and he was thin enough to crawl through and only had to crawl about 12 feet to get back into the open, but the other adults were too big.
I remember slowly crawling through, feeling the rocks push further and further on my head and back. There were small puddles where sometimes my face would get covered in water and mud. I must have been about 6 feet in so far when a rock clicked my headlamp off and I was plunged into total darkness at only 11 years old. It felt like the ceiling was beginning to sag down on my entire body, my arms and legs were trapped unable to move. I struggled and somehow wedged my helmet in such a way my face was stuck being pushed into a small puddle no more than the size of a cereal bowl. I was suffocating, I was immobilized and I was alone. This was what the fear of death was.
After that brief yet terrifying realization, I frantically ripped my helmet off and was able to back out of the tunnel and back with the adults. I soon realized that I was completely safe in that moment, the adults were right next to the tunnel and could have reached in to pull me out in an instant the moment I would scream. I was able to reason to myself that the secret chamber on the other side wasn't that big of a deal, and I was just hurt from the rocks scrapping me, so I continued to enjoy the caving and eventually went back to conquer the tunnel successfully to see the very cool secret chamber.
This video dusted off those memories as I now realize that my initial reaction was correct, that I had experienced true fear for the first time. Being faced with my own mortality that early on in life didn't really impact me too much, since it realistically wasn't a real danger and I even forgot about it until now. But watching this video scrapped off all the dust and now I understand how much it did: I saw a flicker of death that day. Subsequently, I slowly stopped my dangerous activities and became much more cautious in everything I do.
The guide taught me fear, and the cave seared it into my soul.
So true. A necessary lesson for all children to learn. I did so, too, through any number of "dumb and dangerous" stunts. Also, "I was able to reason to myself" the word is rationalize: to invent plausible and rational-sounding reasons or excuses, all to evade some unpleasant truth.
"I saw a flicker of death that day. Subsequently, I slowly stopped my dangerous activities and became much more cautious in everything I do."
Damn, I really relate to that. I survived a parachuting accident in the army, after that I have really toned down my risk tolerance... it was an experience of real fear that you can't replicate without scraping by death. Much different than any lesser fear
Also went on a caving trip during scouts. I'm a tall and lanky person, and my dad was on the trip, who is just a little shorter but a bit thicker. Heights/falling have always a dear for me, and I've had a love-hate relationship with small spaces, and our trip had both. One area you had to straddle across a vertical drop into total darkness that I'm pretty sure would break some bones at a minimum of you fell. And then yeah, there was a "squeeze" tunnel that me and my dad were both terrified he wouldn't be able to get through. It took determination, time, and courage but he got through it. But yeah, when IH was describing the journey into the cave it brought back a rush of memories to navigating through some similar passages. It was a fun experience especially in hindsight, but I don't know if I'll ever do it again.
S-tier comment—beautifully written and genuinely relates to the video and the commenter.
These S-tier comments are so, so rare. These days I usually ask myself why bother reading Youtube comment sections, but then I find one-in-a-million comments like the one above and I remember why.
I spent 5-6 years in Kentucky and never went to mammoth or any other cave, I lived in Louisville. Thank you for this story, this is such a raw comment, love the articulation of your feelings. Thank you! ❤
If floyd had widened the cave enough for more than maybe a handful of people to successfully complete, as he went, he probably wouldn't have died, I think.
The sad thing is, given how fragile Sand Cave is with crowds of people in it, there was probably no chance of opening up the Squeeze and turning it into a tourist attraction.
Why is this a sad thing? It's a fragile cave formation already known for instability. Yeah, this definitely sounds like a place to send inexperienced idiots into.
It’s ironic then that the shaft they were forced to dig in the end was essentially, Floyd’s endgame for the cave. Quick, easy and safe access to the crystal hollow that multiple people could use at the same time. If it wasn’t a literal death trap I would love to see it.
@MeChupaUnHuevon I think the idea was to eventually clear out the squeeze and make it more of a cramped hallway rather than the literal hell hole it was at the time.
It would require stout reinforcement. The fact that he hadn't openend up the Squeeze is the thing that boggles me, for if there was anywhere that needed it, that point of no return would have been the place to start, instead of much deeper within. That and not bringing in spare supplies, like candles to provide light where a fragile storm lantern might shatter....
@Jack R Perhaps Floyd thought he could easily expand the squeeze at some point in the future and that the real challenge would be opening the hole to the crystal room. Unfortunately, he couldn't think ahead to a possible scenario where he'd be trapped past the squeeze and would need help. He reminds me of the main character in the Jack London story, "To Build a Fire" who set out on his own during a dangerously cold day thinking he could handle any scenario he came across. Unfortunately, he didn't realize his margin for error was as thin as it was, and all it takes is a couple of disasters to finish a man off during such conditions. It's a mistake anybody could make...
@theproplady well I also think it might have been an efficiency problem he saw. If he could work from within, he could just pile the tailings in the cavern, instead of having to haul it all the way out. Hence why he was in that far cavern when he realized his light was bad.
What's the name of that movie where the dude gets stuck in his arm in like the desert or something like that 72 hours or something like that screw that make this a movie they don't even need to make it like in the old times they could just make it more modern but I think the telling of this story in the time would be a very good movie but some people don't like historical movies but I think this would make a great one especially with all the dumbasses so far
The hardest gut punch for me comes after all is said and done, when Homer earns the money to retrieve the his brother. He assembles the crew and within just a week they reach him and get him out. It just seemed so simple. If only that coordination was applied at the start, things could've gone differently. Of course hindsight is useless, but it still hurts.
I would imagine it wasn't nearly as difficult to get back in afterwards though. Remember, the mining crew had done all the work of digging the vertical tunnel down through boulders and rock when they were first trying to rescue Floyd. Once they found him dead, they just refilled it with soil. When Homer and his crew went to get Floyd's body, they'd only have to dig through dirt in an already established tunnel.
Though absolutely, in hindsight if they'd done things differently at the start it could've gone way better for Floyd. But we're looking back at this with 100 years worth of perspective of course.
Of course they'd still need to have someone to crawl in with food and water, and I'm worried that with so much commotion from above if the cave wouldn't have collapsed anyway, eliminating the chance to feed Floyd or provide him any warmth. I'd love to have known what would have happened had the firefighter been able to do a second rope pull, or if Miller had just chosen to ask for a third jack that would be somewhere in the middle and properly fit the cave.
Yep, that's a borderline butterfly effect to an extent, he wouldn't have earned money if the story didn't blow up that much, the story wouldn't reach millions of people if the news wasn't spread for a lengthy period of time.
The video says they dug him up from the other side, so they had to make a new hole few meters away. I dont think they were "reusing" the previous dig hole.
@Crispy they could've used the previous dig hole for the first 50 feet and then worked on moving some 10 feet away in order to dig him up from the other side
@Crispy As CoffeeSquirel said, the warmer conditions would have made all the difference. They managed to descend through the same kind of rock in about 2/3rds the time with about 1/10th of the personnel because the walls and ground wouldn't have been turning to soup around them.
Okay so Floyd Collins is a real person but like I said I'm not sure if this is the same story because I look like you used one of the pictures in the Creepypasta and the people that did create the original story did do some background
Oh yeah, it is NOT a hobby for people who aren't 100% down for horrific risk of injury and death. I love it. I would recommend anything but the most surface level, guided explorations to absolutely no-one.
It really shines a light on our mortality. And suffering, is what you make of your situation. I bet you, if the light bulb didn't die, he wouldn't have either. That bulb, was his only sign of hope. Once that's gone, so is life.
I think what's worse is that he continued to suffere well beyond his lifetime. The man did not deserve nor his brother who fought so hard for his sake.
@XT1AN I mean if you look at the bottom refs a qoute is taken from a book called the death of Philip Morris near halfway in the video kinda gives it away
I got stuck very briefly in a cave once and I can confirm that it is an existential dread that’s beyond awful. I was stuck in a pinch whilst spelunking in Victoria Australia and I’d locked my knee to my chest trying to get through a hole. It took our caving team about an hour to shimmy me free by pulling on my ankle and yanking my arms above my head. It was by no means the worst “rescue” we’d ever had to do, but during that dive there was a brief moment where I thought “oh fuck what if I’m really stuck…” Was actually devastated hearing “he’s dead”
I swear this channel gets better and better every video.
The full hour of the rescue story is a tale of the pure kindness and determination by people to save and honor someone The last 9 minutes are a sharp "nevermind"
Why didn’t they just take shifts removing rock from the start. Kinda brain dead
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Sad Cena2022-09-30 04:58:25 (edited 2022-09-30 04:59:23 )
This video really shook me. Floyd lived through hell and was not able to leave. I can't help but cry hearing about what he suffered through and disgustingly the disrespect he went through afterwards.
it's honestly one of the more terrifying ways to die frankly, alone, in pain, starving, dying of thirst and the cold, while well meaning idiots keep hurting you instead of helping, then they fuck up and leave you to die alone in the dark. Even slow deaths from cancer dont come close to the existential horror of this poor guys fate. The disrespect to his corpse is nearly as bad too....
Recently I was talking to someone who does cave exploration regularly and I thought "huh maybe I could face my fears and do that", thanks for setting me straight.
I need your voice desperately bad to create a conspiracy theory so basically we create one use your voice because you sound very intelligent we let it go for about a year then we tell them that we made it up so then the world will look at conspiracy theories a little bit different you can't believe everything you hear your voice is The Voice that would work
As a spelunker of caves myself, a situation like this is my greatest fear. But despite the sour ending to his life, it's truly amazing to see the backbreaking effort by hundreds of people to save just a single man caught in a cave. It really is a lesson in humanity.
What was funny was that first portion where Homer had started moving gravel by hand and then everyone tried to offer more efficient ideas instead of just crawling down there one at a time and doing the work. Had there been maybe 2 more guys initially with the guts to just rotate moving gravel for a few days, they may have had him out that way, before the structural integrity of the cave was weakened by all the eventual traffic
I would always have something to kill myself with if I was a spelunker. A knife, rope, drugs. I couldn't bear to starve to death, or worse - suffocate.
Rescuing cavers and extreme free climbers feels like accommodating peanut allergies: ...It feels like the right thing to do, but it's also not solving any long term peanut problems.
This had me in more suspense than many horror movies I have watched recently. I felt real, genuine discomfort and shock and empathy and anguish for that poor man. All the while I’m laughing my ass off. Amazing video I love both of your channels you’ve really outdone yourself
At first I thought this was going to be a thrilling story about a cave rescue, and then you said his name. Then I knew exactly who it was. I knew exactly how it ended. I didn’t hold out hope because I knew there was none. Congrats on making me sad, I’m going to go watch some Vsauce to get some of that grade A Philosophical Hopium™️ to make me feel better.
I think what annoyed me the most was the fact so many people showed up to the cave with excitement. They made the situation worse by their own ignorance and continued to make things worse as the days went on. Not to mention the father was more concerned with taking generous donations, I imagined he took a heartbroken old man persona while he did it. Poor Floyd, I bet he would’ve been rescued if it wasn’t for all the mayhem people were causing. Not to mention that when they got bored, they just got up and left him. Showed up, caused a cave to collapse on him, had a carnival, then left. Nice!
Pre internet people had nothing to do, i.e they would go outside and do shit.
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Christina W.2022-10-04 03:06:08 (edited 2022-10-04 03:12:19 )
I've heard this story before, but this has GOT to be the best and most nail-bitingly fascinating, in-depth way I've ever heard it told! My husband and I watched this spellbound when it first came out, and I forgot how it ended, so I was on the edge of my seat the whole time! Great job, everyone who worked on this! He and I still talk about it, with a sense of awe and disbelief, at how this poor man died of incompetence (including his own, God rest his soul), but how amazing were the people who made a difference trying to save him.
being from Kentucky hearing this story passed down from my great grandparents i can absolutely say you told this story so much better. I never expected this story to ever come close to a channel like this.... so cool.
The photos of the coffin,more specific the distant one,creeps me alot,the feeling of walking into a cave and seeing a iron coffin in the middle of nowhere,with chains around it just gives me a horrible sense of dread,like it's holding something that you shouldn't open (even though it's just a poor man's dead body)
I enjoyed watching the video yesterday afternoon, but when I tried sleeping last night in my dark room, it was bone chilling to imagine Floyd under the cave; stuck in absolute darkness. I had an uneasy sleep last night. I was laying still, with eyes open in the dark, imagining if it was me down there (although I was warm under my blanket). I would have asked for a cyanide pill as a last resort.
I came into this with no idea about the story. I held so much hope that he'd make it out alive. Then abruptly he died. Okay I can handle that even though it's sad. Then abruptly his corpse is put back in the cave for financial gain. Okay that's grim, but the "good ole days" tended to be pretty shit. Then abruptly his corpse is launched of a fucking mountain! Like goddamn has a dead man ever been so disrespected and exploited?! Rest in fuckin peace man, you deserve it!
I... I just can't think of a worse fate than this. Total darkness, arms and legs uselessly trapped at your sides, a ton of rock atop you, starving, thirsty, hearing the rocks shift around you... and that is only the first 24 hours. Any food or water given to you is going to cause you to have to urinate and defecate in your clothes. Your loved ones close enough to touch you and yet completely incapable of assisting you. People come and go and after each minor cave in, you sit and wonder if you will ever see another person. The light that has kept you alive begins to slowly fade as you are left in the pitch blackness, alone with only the agonizing cold and rock to keep you company.
This man suffered in ways that no human being should.
Holy fuck. I'll never, ever set foot in a cave after that one. I cannot imagine the horrors he lived through in those 5 days of absolute darkness, with no inkling that anyone was coming for him. He died a lonely, slow, terrifying death that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
@CODA At least John Jones passed away surrounded by people who’d been trying desperately to save him til the very end. Floyd passed away after days in complete darkness and silence, with no sign that people were even trying to help anymore :(
@kat I dunno whats worse, if you keep hearing your rescuers fumble around above you, and you just sink deeper and deeper being upside down the whole time makes it sound alot more hellish than 'simply' dying in complete darkness.
@CODA I’d like to hope that Jones just slipped away into unconsciousness for the last time thinking that they’d keep working on him and he’d be out by the time he woke up
Caving is safe as long as you know your boundaries, abilities, and stick to a plan. I've got hundreds of expeditions under my belt through unmapped systems and have never had any issues, nor have any of my groups. These videos make it seem worse than it is.
@Dingus I was mostly being hyperbolic there, but I'm certainly never going into a small gap like that. I know most caving is safe but fuck man, this story messed me up a little.
I’d wish it on that Thomas guy who paraded Floyd’s corpse out in front of the public to make a quick buck, despite the protests of the family. I hope the devil is putting that pathetic shitstain of a human being through what happened to Floyd.
All I wanna say is that I VERY much appreciate the people who tried to save Floyd, it's amazing how much people tried helping the poor lad even though it was just one single person. I actually had hope that he'd make it alive even though it was pretty obvious that he wouldn't.
Anyways now that I got that off my chest– it's sad that someone profited off of his death by using it as a tourist attraction. But I'm more mad about the fact that they held his funeral inside Sand Cave, really disrespectful.
Amazing how no cave explorer familiar with spelunking (many of which did it as a profession/means of making money) had the cojones to go through the squeeze, yet a 21 reporter looking for a story not only decided to enter, but upon hearing Floyd’s voice felt compelled to aid him further. Mad respect to Miller in that regard
the wish granted by elizabeth hurley in a red dress
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Luis Merida2022-10-04 21:28:17 (edited 2022-10-06 17:28:50 )
I don't have claustrophobia. I have never been in a situation where I would be completely stuck between literally a rock and a hard place. But that opening narration, that walkthrough of the man's routine expedition to the cave system, followed by a run down with each of his simple and seemingly small mistakes resulting in him being stuck in total darkness under a mountain left me feeling a sense of suffocation and helplessness that I had never felt nor hope that I will feel in the future. It's one thing to be attacked by some unknown assailant or to have a split second encounter leaving you high on alert, even if you've made it out of danger. It's another thing to find yourself in a situation where you can't do anything but pray and wait that by some miracle either someone, anyone, sees you in danger and immediately gets help. Because otherwise your're left waiting for who knows how long for the world to move in such a way that you can just barely slip back into safety and survive by the skin of your teeth.
They would only seem small to a moron, which is what he obviously was. Dude got removed from the gene pool which was a good thing. Play stupid games, win stupid shit.
I did not have claustrophobia until I hit middle age. Then, I got sick and neurotic. So be careful--keep tight control over your mind. Now, even the simplest scans make me very nervous--used to tolerate an hour in an MRI. It's all in my head, but still, I get crazy.
For everyone that was impacted by the intro but enjoy this type of story I strongly recommend the Ted the Caver story. There is a YouTube narration that sells it perfectly. I am not claustrophobic but that one made me sweat.
@cyninbend I recommend going to a chiropractor, one specializing in TRT (Torque Release Technique). I had many problems with pain and mental issues. they started on my lower back and worked their way up over a few weeks so not to shock my body. Once they got to my cervical vertebrae they told me that I would feel a tingle and to not worry because it was just my cerebral spinal fluid that was blocked up being allowed to flow freely. They then made the adjustments. I felt a small shock and then warmth and tingles all around my head face neck and shoulders. After getting up I felt almost manic and realized days later that I just hadn't felt that good in years. I had issues of paranoia, claustrophobia, anger issues, and suicidal depression. All of which suddenly seemed to happen out of the blue. Basically your brain doesn't communicate with itself directly, parts of your brain talk to other parts by sending signals down nerves in your neck and then back up into your skull. If you have misaligned vertebrae this can cause interference which will cause your brain to become confused and also possibly throw your hormones out of whack. I know have no issues except for very minor episodes of panic and depression, but I am told that is just PTSD, which was way worse since my brain couldn't work through it naturally due to my neck and back problems.
The amount of irony of the exploitation of his tragedy and death all caused by his fascination with the abyss of the cave and his own plans to commercialize it is staggering. A story with enough symbols and inherent meaning to pull from it, but must I separate myself from non-fiction and just applaud you for your storytelling.
In the end, HE became the attraction. Weird to think about. I really wished it ended there though, the fact it took about 60 years to finally be left to rest after he died is incredibly disheartening. I guess people weren't really all that different from today in terms of morality..
@Duddridge1 They say money is the root of all evil
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Mike G2022-09-30 17:29:54 (edited 2022-09-30 17:31:26 )
Internet Historian is legitimately one of the greatest filmmakers in the peer to peer medium. He continues to improve with every release and at this point, i view him as closer to the greatest directors than to his YouTuber peers.
Well said. I hope to see a wider audience begin to recognize the legitimacy of his work.
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Joel Friberg2022-10-01 01:21:43 (edited 2022-10-01 20:18:39 )
@Benjamin Lambert I agree, though based on YouTube standards, 2,5 million views in 1 day is impressive. There are few “quality over quantity” YouTubers whose videos are quite as anticipated as Internet Historian. Lemmino is the only one I can think of actually
To be honest, if you'd had heard about the story before, its heartbreaking to see and learn about all the effort put into his rescue. Something so depressive about a team of people working non-stop for over 15 days to dig him out, only to find him dead, and only missing him by 3 days.
@0332288 Imagine if they started to clear the gravel like that friend did from the beginning instead of waiting nearly a week and the cave beginning to collapse. Like that one dude shoveled 500 Kg of gravel out in 6 hours. Actually insane with what they came up with instead of just doing the thing that is tedious but will 100% work.
This is why I’ve always found cave/mountain rescues really impressive, folk rescue complete strangers and put themselves at risk. Granted in todays world there’s much better techniques and technology available, but it’s always impressive.
One hell of a story, Start with insanity, despair,, hope, despair, hope, tragedy, greed, crime, then finally ending with the original goal complete. What a whirl wind of emotions and those who worked so hard to free him and poor Collins. I can't imagine what it was like for him, his friends, family, and those volunteer's.
This is remarkable. I can't believe how many characters tried helping him, and Floyd did the best anyone could to hang on. So many crushing turns of events and so many new powers and people trying to help get him out. I can't believe that dentist put him back in there.
Imagine so deliriously suffering that you want another person to die trapped in a tiny dark cave with you, knowing full well that cave's gonna smell like another person's shit soon if it doesn't already.
@Ella Karhu I don't get it. A true story is a true story. I wouldn't think about something that had happened earlier in the day and say "That was good story telling"
@Ella Karhu He did tell the story but I'm talking about one moment in particular, where he describes Floyd not wanting to die alone. He just recounted what happened, I don't know how that is "good story telling" That's what I was confused about
@Chaos he told it in a way that made me feel goosebumps, if you flat out just went "Floyd wanted that guy to be trapped with him" I wouldnt feel the same way. If you added some sort of flare or deepness when telling me about it then you are already trying out a different way of telling the story.
@Chaos what Internet historian did was he was hinting at it slightly and then BOOM he tells us that what was actually happening. You'd think Floyd just wanted a ladle of coffee when he actually wanted someone to be stuck with him. The way Internet Historian told us this is as I said with the slight hinting, the worker would go down there and as the cave was collapsing Floyd called out for help(this makes us think oh he needs some help), the worker came and was about to ladle in some coffee into his mouth but Floyd refused(we become slightly confused, "why? I thought he needed the coffee") Then as tension builds that sudden realization just pops into our head at the same time Internet Historian narrates it "He wanted someone to be stuck with him." Boom goosebumps tension blablabla. Atleast this was how I felt, and I felt that that was some good story telling. If you pass this on like "Oh I already knew he wanted that guy to be stuck with him." then alright dude I guess u already read the story or some kind of genius idfc
@Schneebly I just assumed that Historian saying what happened was just a normal narration. I didn't see it as some grand reveal. Apparently it was amazing.
@Chaos I know this was over a week ago but all the editing and little jokes and suspense IS story telling. Story Telling Skills are the difference between a boring lecture and a fun video. A true story is still a story :)
@Chaos bro, if you take a story of factual events, and have TWO DIFFERENT people recount it, the information presented can be told In COMPLETE different ways. Pacing of how the story is told, background info and details that can be added (or omitted), using (or not using) foreshadowing, structure of the story, which “characters” the storyteller chooses to mention (or leave out), the storyteller’s use of tone/emotion and vocabulary throughout… etc etc — these are ALL factors that can be TOTALLY different from person to person. Regardless if a true story had the same characters and same outcome, how a person actually PORTRAYS the story can have a profound effect on how we perceive it and opinions we form on the matter.
@Chaos he didn't recount what happened. casey recounted his so called speculation to make himself a bigger part of the story. floyd never said "im going to trap you" lmao
I became so invested in this storytelling that I actually felt my heart shatter in two when I found out that Floyd couldn't make it. I just assumed that he somehow miraculously survived in the end because of how you narrated the rescue in such detail and it completely caught me off guard when he died anyway. There has literally been no other documentary I have watched that played with my emotions as much as this.
So late to this but good lord this broke my heart. Such good work -- the pacing, the visuals, the acting, the humor? Some of your best work, dude. Thank you for this.
There was a moment there near the beginning when I thought I wouldn't be able to stomach this story. But seeing Wendigoon and Ordinary Things was just comforting enough to get me through!
I've heard Floyd's story many times, my grandparents used to take my dad and his siblings cross country to all the national parks, he took me and mine before I entered highschool. The thing that stays with me most from that experience was the caves, well lit, beautiful, almost dreamlike at times, and the total darkness. That one moment our tour guide told us all to just be silent, the lights went out, and there was nothing. It felt like I'd been taken to a different place, the cavern walls were no longer there, I was in some sort of void. The thing about total darkness is pretty obvious but never occurred to me until that moment. Your eyes never adjust, pitch black doesn't exist on the surface, there's always some spec of light that will eventually give you something to work off of, in caves, light doesn't make it past the 20 ft mark. If you loose your light, your practically a goner, unless you know each wall and crevice of that cave intimately there's no way out. I only experienced it once in my life, safe and sound sitting on a bench with the knowledge that light would return in a few minutes. But that deep primal fear I felt, mixed with an inexplicable sense of wonder, it will stay with me for the rest of my life. I would gladly experience it again, and I understand why Floyd went down there, and why so many people still do despite the danger. We want to know what's down there, what wonders the world is still hiding from us. Surly there's something down there worth the risk.
This really hits hard because I sorta know what it’s like to be trapped in a small space for a long period of time. It was miserable, so imagining being trapped for 2+ weeks?
@Mr. Shickadance Oh this will be long. Um well it’s not even close to how horrifying and despairing being trapped in a hole is, but I was in the ER for 72+ hours in a community hospital. And since during Covid you’re not allowed to leave the room at all. No windows except I was able to barely see the outside light on the other side past the nurses’ station. You start to realize how many hours of daylight there is and you’re missing it. I couldn’t have any electronics. I was only allowed one visitor and they couldn’t be there long. Time slowed so much. So many other details I don’t wanna share. It’s nothing compared to what this man went through, but listening to it all reminds me of the feeling of being inside that tiny room not really knowing what’s going to happen next. So I’m really just imagining that feeling x1000000. I’m already an outdoorsy person, but it will make you appreciate being able to walk outside your house a lot more.
This is the beat story telling I've ever witnessed. Such a great video. Well prepared and brilliantly stated. Rip Floyd this world was just too cruel for you.
Omg I love this story!!! Not that the last ones didn’t have good production but this one is another level; Thank you for putting the effort and money in.
His brother is a real one. Immediately travels 10 hours to the cave, enters the cave still in city clothes, squeezes through a small ass hole no one else wanted to go through and starts digging through a large amount of gravel bare handed for 8 whole ass hours and after all that he raises money to get his body out the cave to properly bury him.
A story worth telling. Not everything is global politics or epic battles or the like. Sometimes it’s a man stuck in a cave, and the struggles of people to get him out. You combed history to give us this thorough presentation. And now we all know the story of Floyd. Thank you for your efforts.
I never heard of this story, its 100 years old and I was still sooo sad when I found out he died. Absolutely heartbreaking 😢. Splendid storytelling on your part Internet Historian. (Also this whole story shows the absolute disgustingness of the american capitalsitic system 🤢)
It's interesting to see the internet historian branch out into real life history. I already liked the gentleman pirate. And this one is great to, props to the editing, as always!
This is an absolutely absurd story. That stupid cave had the first, middle, and last laugh. The fact that the family couldn't even get his body out of the cave after he died makes me hate rocks in a way I never thought possible. RIP Floyd.
It’s very rare that my easily distracted, instant gratification seeking, dopamine reward system loving ass will actually sit and watch something without doing anything else. I just sat and watched this start to finish gripped by it. That’s all your storytelling. Sure a guy stuck in a cave is intriguing; but the way you told it made it intensely captivating
the start of the video was agonizing, I never heard of this story and because of the agony I felt, it made me almost stop watching the video and I would have never know about what happened to floyd collins
This was the most amazing documentary I have ever listened to. Shockingly, I was even convinced by the faces that tried to save Floyd being the real guys from the 1900s. Golden Globe documentary.
In case anyone wonders why they dug up at such a "low pace" despite so much manpower, I myself have had to dug in hard terrain and it's not easy at all. The pickaxes barely do anything, and when 5 of us could barely move any debris, we were forced to call in a machine operator. The machine, a modern machine, f-ing tilted sideways when going in. So we had to leave it be. And we were dealing with soil and rocks that hadn't been moved in just about 4-5 years, hardening it, I can't imagine old geological formations...
Also, you don't actually dig faster with more men, adding more men means making a wider hole that just means more floor to clear away, all more men means is fresh men to take shifts.
so much of the background audio for the rocks and the cave in this video is fucking C R U N C H Y and i love it. i love the sound of the rocks and the gravel and stuff you put in aaah its so good.
This would have gotten a 10 minute standing ovation at the Venice film festival.
Its hard to fathom how far the YouTube video has travelled as an art form, where a video produced using the visual language bred deep inside internet culture has produced something that is a film, a documentary, an animation all at the same time and yet something completely different, that manages to sit on top of them all, grab the audience by their souls and keep them glued to their screens for days after the credits have rolled.
makes me wonder if it would have been possible to have two teams working 1 trying to regain some type of access to Floyd to deliver supplies and other working on digging down to get him.
You should dedicate one of your 4 channels to just telling historical oddities, or start a 5th one. You have an amazing voice to narrate anything really. Still taken aback by your face reveal on your 4th channel as you look way to young to have that voice.
Kind of a rant but here it goes... When it comes to Cave divers/Thrill seekers of all sorts I really do think they straddle the blurry line between bravery and sheer stupidity. It is incredibly hard for me to determine whether him (Floyd) going into the pit beyond the "Turn Around Room" multiple times is bravery or just him just not considering hard enough that the slightest thing going wrong could end badly for him. Like, imagine the rocks don't fall but the lantern breaks anyway. How in the God golly hell do you find your way out. I grant you he knows this cave well but the sheer thought of traversing that level of squeeze in the dark, completely by feel alone kept me up last night. I mean come on, that shit is nightmare fuel. Why would anyone subject themselves to the even slim possibility that something even close to that happens?! I don't say this to take away from the sadness that befell Floyd I wouldn't wish that fate even on the worst people I can think of. If anything, it made the people who went against all thoughts it was complete stupidity to even go through the turn around room the bravest people ever. What I'm asking myself and the internet is this: Am I a terrible person for thinking Floyd is pretty stupid for doing what he did?
While I recommended this video to all my friends, I struggle to watch it again myself, knowing that this man is going to slowly die. It hit me hard and I cannot even formulate my feelings, why
Christ, the irony in this tale is insane. Wanted to find a good cave for a tourist attraction, BECAME the attraction instead. Refused to amputate his leg to escape, only to have it amputated after his death. Rescued from the cave by his brother. only to be returned to it shortly after.
Everybody already praised Homer and Miller for being real human beans, but let's not forget the real homie, Gerald. Dude lifted half a ton of rocks without proper equipment WHILE in a very disadvantageous terrain, and didn't give up hope of rescuing his friend even at the imminent danger of cave in. If it wasn't for the fact that rocks literally got dropped on him, threatening to incapacitate him, the dude probably would have clawed his way to Floyd for real.
i always sleep w my weighted blanket slightly covering my face but the bit where you described him going through “the squeeze” made me so claustrophobic i had to take a break
I love how Miller went from just trying to pester a trapped man for an interview, to risking his life in order to save him, then refusing to profit when he failed.
Truly one of the best character arcs in anime history
"... and forty five hundred automobiles sat backed up for two miles in front of the farm. There, they were in for the surprise of their lives - nobody expected the Ukrainian army to strike at that convoy!"
You probably won't see this Mr. Internet Historian, but I would like to know if there is any chance possible of you collaborating with Mister Metokur before he dies of lymphoma? I have been watching both of you guys for a while & I think Jim would jive extremely well with you just like Sumito does.
I hate how there are so many reaction videos to this this. Just type in “Man in cave” and you’ll find dozens of them listed below this orginal video. I swear there’s so many leaches on youtube. They should be making their own content instead of feeding off of other people’s.
Internet historian doesn't strike me as someone that would be cover made up stuff. I guess if the case is interesting enough, and displays how crazy people can be.
Whoever put llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch as their patron name is amazing and as a Welshman I thank you for sharing the pain of that town name.
I knew of this story already, but this is probably the single most comprehensive and best-presented piece of media about it. All the little details here were completely new to me, and the narrative is highly compelling.
Louisville dude here, you really did the story justice, Internet Historian. I always thought it was sad few knew about it. Should you ever visit Louisville (I promise it’s not hillbillies; we’re a beautiful riverfront city built by German immigrants with the raddest food), I really do encourage you see Mammoth Cave. There’s one path called “fat man’s misery“ that might remind you of what poor Floyd had to go through...
Also, if you want any weird info about Louisville for your other channel or whatever, hit me up. I got a doozy about a court case of my Louisville ancestors that apparently affected a court of law’s views on the supernatural for fucks sake. Like, it’s in legal textbooks and shit because of it, I kid you not.
I have family in Louisville and one of them raves all the time about the food and job opportunities, then again, they've contracted covid like 5 times over there too.
I've heard this story before, but NEVER in the incredible minute by minute way that this is recounted. This feels much more personal, more human. Well done. If not for the goofy images and such (which I appreciate, BTW), I would be shedding some serious tears right now, these decades later.
I know this isn't his usual kind of content, so I wanted to leave a comment that this was an amazing video; absolutely gripping. Breaking down the situation and difficulties involved, the time tracking, the twists and turns of the story, all really well done! I hope to see more like this!
The video could have been half an hour long. To go through all the agonising attempts to rescue him and for it to be all for nothing feels like a waste
As a caver and an internet historian fan since 2018, I never dreamed I would see these two of my favorite things fused together. I knew how the story ended before I watched it, but it almost didn’t matter. This was hands down one of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen, and one pf my personal favorite ever.
Out of curiosity, has this story affected how you approach caving in any way? Or was anything learned from this incident that changed the way caving is done? Also, do you manage to not think about this story every time you go caving, or is it always in the back of your head?
I thought this was going to be another story where a guy got stuck in the same way as this guy in another cave but in more modern times. He also died but it was brutal as they almost pulled him out with ropes but at the last moment he slid back in further to a point where he was no longer reachable
@Bavarian Banshee It definitely sticks in the back of your mind whenever you’re underground, even if you don’t think about it all the time. Caves feel alive in a way that I’ve never really seen from any other type of environment, and their also (almost by design) perfect built to mess with humans. The darkness of caves takes away your sight and the shape of caves messes with your hearing, the two senses that humans are most reliant on, and deep enough underground they eventually just completely eliminate your sense of which way is up. I’ve been through some tight squeezes, not as tight as the one in the video but tight enough that I couldn’t move my arms and had to paddle with my feet, and they don’t scare me but I completely understand how they terrifying most people.
Caving today is a lot different, mostly due to improvements in safety. Headlamps are obviously a 1,000x better than kerosine lanterns, you wouldn’t catch me bringing that shit into a cave, and its easier to carry backup lights and supplies and whatnot. In the video, Sand Cave was already relatively unstable, and we know today (he mentions it in the video) that a lot of the things that the crowd outside the cave was doing sped up its collapse drastically. Caves have existed the way they are for 1,000’s of years- basically, just don’t do anything to alter or destroy that structure and it will be good to you.
This was an incredible story, gripping and heartbreaking. You can even see the defeat on everyone's faces at 59:19. All of the people who actually waned to help, not just the random bystanders, were giving their all to save Floyds life. Im glad that he was able to eventually be given the proper burial he deserved.
It’s just one of those human things that captivated anyone with human nature. This was ONLY a hundred years ago. There are stories from several thousand years ago that still captivate us today.
That was quite the gripping story. After getting engrossed for an hour only to learn of the outcome, I felt genuinely defeated. Amazing story telling of an amazing story.
You said Louisville wrong, and as someone from Louisville, you really just angered me and disrespected my city. It isn't pronounced “lEwUViLe”, but “Luvile”, like your saying “Luke”, but stop at the K. Then you follow it with a ville. Please make sure you know how to pronounce things before you say them. I am very disappointed in you.
This was apparently one of the biggest news story between two world wars and yet so many of us have never heard of it! This is the kind of storytelling and history that needs to be covered and I see no one better to do that.
I have heard this story told like 3 different times, and this is easily the best retelling of it I have heard, it is like hearing it again for the first time. Remember people, there is nothing for man in caves. Only the foolish and stubborn explore them.
the faith i got from those people was shattered by the thousands of idiots that gathered around the cave not helping at all. and especially those that made money off of floyds body and distress
Honestly this just decreased my faith in humanity more than anything. The work done by the brave and hardworking ultimately amounted to nothing. While the only people who gained anything from this were the jackals and vultures who exploited this event.
The courage and daring of the rescue teams is to be admired though. If they simply didn’t arrive in time, at least they could say that their efforts gave a man a proper burial. Ultimately they couldn’t even say that…. It took almost another half century for that to happen.
The storytelling by Internet Historian is better than any documentary. First with Fyre Festival, then Costa Concordia (just to name a few) and now this.
Man idk why but I'm extremely emotional that he wasn't rescued. So close, so many what ifs. At the end of the day at least he is put to rest out of that hellish cave. God rest his soul.
my heart sank when you said he was found dead. it's ridiculous to hope a man survived being stuck in a cave for more than two weeks, but humanity is a ridiculous thing. he made it out, though. i hope he knew, as he died, that he wouldn't stay there forever.
When you get really deep underground, the rock around you is always making an odd groaning sound. You learn to tune it out while remaining alert for even the tiniest hint of that signature sound of rock fall.
I worked in exploratory drilling and even with the noise of our drills running, which was about 135 dB at full throttle, my ears were still able to pick up the sounds of even a marble sized pebble falling from the back or down the ribs.
Back and ribs are the miners' terms for the ceiling and walls. Some refer to the floor as the belly, but it's a much less common term for some reason.
Edit: we had an MSHA inspector clock our rig at 146 dB in one heading we were working. His report caused the company to require double hearing protection for all underground employees who were in the vicinity of a drill while it was running.
It was an odd sensation to have the drill turning constantly for 10 or 11 hours, then shutting it down at the end of shift and removing ear pro to dead silence.
As someone from Glasgow, KY, literally 15 minutes out from Cave City, this story's pretty famous with us. I was absolutely fucking thrilled you decided to cover it, because the entire story is a wild ride, and there's a good chunk of these details that tend to get omitted.
Fun Fact: Cave City absolutely went to utter shit after Sept 11th, 2001, after a lot of the other tourism trap shit died down a lot, Guntown Mountain went to shit, and Crystal Onyx Cave actually collapsed.
Wanna know what ended up reviving the town and kept it going to this day? Going from being a "Dry" city to "wet" around 2014. Literally ALCOHOL ended up saving the city, since most folks around the area didn't have to resort to driving over a half hour to Bowling Green to get booze anymore (or relying on bootleggers and resellers for a good time).
Glasgow, KY ended up resorting to the same tactics at the end of 2015 since the city literally ran out of money as well, but by that time I'd already moved out.
@Cerdic He's not talking about this time period, he said 2014. I believe he's saying the September 11th attacks put a strain on travel and people stopped visiting the area in general and the town slowly died with no tourism
Are dry towns that common of a thing still? I honestly had no idea places in America were still dry outside of morman country, especially in the south.
I'm from Glasgow, Scotland. There are still lots of old abandoned railway tunnels under this (surprisingly to some) large city. Closest I could get to your great info.
Two things I'd like to mention, First, when you think about it. They probably coulda reached him before he died, if there hadn't been so much interference from the public. Time was wasted during that two day court martial, and even prior to that, time was wasted with the locals arguing about what they should do to free him, while getting nothing done. Add it all up, and it shows that 3 whole days were wasted. It's tragic. Which brings me to my second point, Internet Historian told this tragic story brilliantly. He told it in a way where it felt like you're actually there watching it all unfold. Upon watching his other videos, he does this with some of his other videos, and he does it very well. But the fact that he's able to tell this story in a way that it gets people like myself to shed tears for a man who's been dead for almost 100 years, which is praiseworthy and admirable
Right?! If they had’ve just started digging straight down, with manpower only, from the start… whilst also feeding floyd with infrequent trips so as to not damage the cave integrity… then they would’ve reached him and saved him. Hindsight is 20/20 I supppse
That's still assuming the Lieutenant and the organised workers would've arrived sooner than they did. I guess getting outside help like this; was not as easy or guaranteed back in 1925. They kinda just showed up one day (several days too late) after getting an open purse promise from the Governor of Kentucky to help Floyd. Before that, digging a hole above Floyd was too difficult because of the boulders and solid rock and no one having the experience in mining. I agree the locals wasted a lot of people's time and they should've minded their own goddamn business from the start. Wasting less time could've helped Miller's crowbar plan to actually work, and if it weren't for the locals; the cave likely wouldn't have collapsed before Miller's plan was truly exhausted (or potentially successful).
@Nabzarella Dare all those locals who were there for so long could’ve at least started digging. Maybe they didn’t have the experience to go deep like the (expecting to be) paid miners were, but they could at least start and give the miners a 5-10 foot head start
@Nabzarella Dare so do the calibration then? These are cave folk, they live there. I’m assuming that most anything the random miners brought in can do, they can also do. If that’s not the case fair enough, but it seems to me to make much more sense to start digging him out from the get go rather than spend literally weeks doing nothing except tying to pull him out or amputate his leg an stuff
@T Man "The prospect of digging from above seemed almost fanciful, at least it did in the beginning. But luckily they had some help." This implies that digging from above him was a suggestion thrown around at the start, but was dismissed - no one knows why, but it's likely due to not having the right help to begin with. Most of the locals were drunks, random towns people and tourists. Not exactly the most coordinated or helpful bunch even when given instructions.
@Nabzarella Dare it seemed fanciful because they preferred the far less fanciful idea of pulling him out with a rope… let’s just say it like it is, they made terrible decisions. Hindsight is 20/20, but facts is, if they had be stated digging down, that would have been far better than what they actually did. Hell, laying a tarp or drying him out would’ve been better than what they did lol
@T Man That's an assumption, bro. We don't know why it was ruled out at the beginning, could've been for a legit reason. The people theorising about laying a tarp down were likely locals (once again) offering unhelpful advice because they don't know/understand the complexity of where he's trapped and how. Putting a tarp under him may have been near impossible given his position, maybe it could've worked. The point is, we're no better than those locals by giving unhelpful advice on what they could've done - we weren't there. Maybe they did fuck up (apart from the locals lighting campfires, that was 100% a fuck up), or maybe they really did all they could given the time period, their location and the situation.
@Nabzarella Dare It may have seemed fanciful at first but ultimately his brother showed with six men and dug him out. That tells me if only they had gotten the idea to dig first, and also to go behind the boulder from the beginning, he could have been out in the 12 hours it took for his brother to extract his body.
@Maelstrom It took a week for his brother and the miners to dig Floyd's body out, and that was only because the dig site had already been dug up prior, so the ground was softer and the boulders were mostly out of the way. Also, remember Homer had to get a lot of money before he could even get Floyd out to begin with? They clearly weren't willing to do it for free. The miners didn't show up to the rescue effort until they were promised compensation from the Kentucky Governor, and not a minute before.
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@Nabzarella Dare that’s an assumption? Bro everything we’re saying is assumptions, including you. Saying if they got to him 3 days earlier he’d be alive is an assumption, anything could have happened. It’s from a hundred years ago, relax, it’s not that serious
the three days you mentioned are the same three days that was mentioned by internet historian that where missed before he died, and the same time when his light went out.
@Nabzarella Dare Right, not sure where I got 12 hrs from. It would make sense that they started in the same spot and eventually dug around the boulder when they got close, but I don't think that was stated in the video. Even so, after the first failed attempt to get him out through the cave they could have started digging and got to him in a week while proving food and water from the other end. Money would have been the main obstacle but since it was their property they could have charged the tourists a fee to get close or taken donations for the digging. With so many people interested in the situation it's hard to imagine they couldn't have raised enough money or found volunteers to dig. Anyway, I realize it's easier to come up with these ideas in hindsight but in the moment they were all running on adrenaline and doing what seemed to be the obvious solution.
I totally agree. Media too focused on watching and criticizing the problem rather than focusing on it. I personally think the miners came too late because of that mentality.
The miners should have came the moment they realized the cave was unstable, they would have had a much better head start.
Wow....I never thought a Internet Historian video would bring me close to tears but here we are, this story is heartbreaking. So much determination and grit by all those who tried to get him out only to have that be the outcome. Masterful story telling Historian!
This was not a story I was expecting. I was expecting to laugh but it went from fear, to anxiety, to sadness, a laugh or 2, back to sadness. This channel really is like no other. Thank you for all you do.
Truly such a harrowing story of an entombed soul. If only there was more bravery & urgency to make solid plans to aid, excavate and rescue in the beginning, He held on for way longer than I could have ever imagined surviving deep down there. Let's take a moment to appreciate such a captivating story that had it all, empathy, humour, hope, despair. It perfectly captured the suffocatingly dire state during the interpretation of the vision/nightmare. May you long rest in peace Floyd Collins.
So well said. When TIH was describing the scene of that worker going down to scope out the cave for the last time just as it was collapsing, I felt genuine horror in my chest. I can't even imagine knowing that you're about to be essentially sentenced to a slow, painful, and lonely death like that. I probably would've asked someone to kill me quick and easy, no joke.
I know that people wants to praise Miller or Homer for their selflessness, but we know that we all can agree that everyone that actively took part (not you tourists who just camp near the cave) in this rescue is great people.
Man, Miller was such a chad throughout this event. Dude went down a cave even experts hesitated to go into so that he could get a story, but then he ended up spending days risking his own life to try and save a man he barely knew. If Floyd was saved, I'm sure they would have become great friends.
This is the most tensed I've ever felt, watching an Internet Historian video. Good job making this real event exciting, tensed and certain parts humorous. I was very invested in the development of Floyd
It's amazing isn't it? How much humans can empathize with one another, even through story form. You put yourself in that position of hopelessness and all you have keeping you alive is hope. Isn't it poetic that when the light went out he died? He saw absolutely no chance of survival, that light was his hope, it went out and so did his body. How could someone possibly ward off hypothermia without the flame of hope to keep you warm?
I imagine if they would have been able to tell him he was being dug out, he would have survived. He could have kept himself active, he could have just exercised with rocks, etc to stay warm. granted, that took a ridiculous amount of time. Two weeks in a cave. What a hell. Hope dashed more than once. The crowds killed him. If his childhood friend had been there from day 1 he would have been out.
That’s the part that people always failed to mention when telling this story, his body was still in the cave technically on display until pretty much the 1990s, it’s absolutely crazy how no one thought “hang on a minute, this shouldn’t be a problem anymore” it’s so messed up
Reversing out of the cave to show how far down he was stuck was really a great touch. I've watch numerous vids on this caving disaster, and yours is the absolute best. Keep up the good work!
The greatest tragedy: If enough volunteers in the first few days had just gone with the original plan, Floyd would have made it out alive. The cave would not have begun to collapse, probably.
I'm guessing that the mass of people rushing to see the events at the cave are what caused it to collapse. The more attention it got, the more cave-ins were going to happen.
Fun fact: if you want a similar story in italian flavour a very similar case happened in Frascati (near Rome) in 1981. Wasn't a big cave though. Alfredo Rampi was a six year old boy who fell and got stuck in a 60 m (196 ft) deep pit. They tried getting him out in so many different ways they ended up using people with dwarfism and a fucking contortionist. A gigantic crowd of people formed near the pit, it became so much of a news sensation that president Sandro Pertini ended up being there talking to the kid (the case is also famous for being an example of the blatant sensationalism of italian news).
I remember that story from a Mr. Ballen video. I was amazed at the incompetence of most of the "experts" involved, and how a teenager had better ideas and even gave them warnings about the stupid decisions they made. Poor boy. He deserved better.
I remember my mom told me she had to write an essay at school about the case at one point, while It was still going on, and She didnt even live anywhere near Frascati. Though if I recall correctly, he got stuck in a well, not really cave. Either way i can see the parallels with Collins. Real heartbreaking shit, can't Imagine what was going through the kid's head, it's terrifying
Whenever I have a bad day, I try to think about people like Floyd who went through unimaginably hopeless and terrifying situations like this, and I can at least be grateful that I'm not stuck 100ft underground in the cold darkness alone in a collapsing cave for two weeks. Really when you put it like that my life is a fucking dream.
Also every single person who made it through The Squeeze is an absolute chad, yes even Casey leaving Floyd was 100% the right decision. I've done a little caving and at one point was trying to crawl through a very similar (though much shorter) tunnel except the walls were compact ash and dirt and the floor was covered in a few inches of loose sand. About halfway into the tunnel I just pictured myself scraping the walls too much and the whole thing collapsing; I lost my nerve and bailed. Anyone with the courage to go through anything like that... just wow.
@Zuleph Izus Yeah I figured that's what most people would think too but I have come to learn that regardless of how wild an opinion is there will be people out there who are willing to hold it.
Super correct sir...stuff like this really puts personal life into perspective lol...bad day at work? Yeah imagine being stuck so tight in that cave..in the dark..with no hope honestly..my issues don't measure anywhere near that situation lol..
@Mikey Frederick you think you're conscious all the way to the last second? Or maybe you're lucky and your brain shuts down from the shock of the situation
Ever heard of John Jones and the Nutty Putty cave? He was stuck upside down for around 28 hours before he died of cardiac arrest from being upside down. They had a phone line ran down to him where he could talk to his wife who was pregnant. He was trapped as long but it would still be an absolutely horrible way to go.
If you put yourself into this kinda situation deliberately..then your an idiot, simple as that. Plus you're putting other people's life at risk as well by trying to rescue you.
Right. Even if you don't go that far and think of modern times, there are people today in 2022 (particularly certain villages in Africa) where you need to go on an entire trip just to get the water you need to survive for that day.
@Gavin Townsley I don't think that people who do these things are idiots, frankly I admire their determination to push their boundaries. There's a certain truth to the fact that we're never more alive than when we are near death. However, inevitably when we push our boundaries, we end up finding them.
Some people have no fear, they can go on roofs of tall buildings and balance on the edge, it takes a certain kind of person to do things like that. It's not even so much about being stupid, just having little or no fear instinct.
@werr kowalski yes you're right it takes a "special" kinda person to crawl into a hole where there's hardly any room to breathe, to try dig out another small hole so it can be used for tourists to go to a magical cave. I'm guessing the tourists would need to be as special as him? 🤔
@Classic80sStuff that's the story that got me interested in cave diving..I would NEVER do that activity lol ..if I was stuck like and they could get meds to me some how..I would definitely get it over with way quicker if you know what I mean...
@Mikey Frederick Oh I totally agree. I would want them to just shoot me full of morphine or whatever would be much better than suffering up until the very last second.
@Classic80sStuff great minds think alike lol..I doubt that situation will happens to us..I don't think we would EVER crawl into anything that sketchy but if it does we got a battle plan...yall would hear me screaminggggg for all drugs any drugs lol..
@Piotr Kowalski "surely people will visit my cave now that i dug out all the gravels". the cave sags when 5 people are in it for too long and the entrance is basically a death trap
I think I've been subscribed to this channel for about 4 years, and this is my favorite video now. I've already rewatched it as much as Costa Concordia. Your storytelling is enthralling. Keep it up!
Amazing story telling. Really puts into perspective time is of the essence when it comes to saving someone. So many interference in the events surrounding Floyd. Also jfc that ending makes my skin crawl. So many people consumed by greed... making a tourist attraction out of a dead person sheesh.
You're the only channel I've seen every single video of multiple times, some brilliant storytelling and every video is even more gripping and impressive than the last
Just my opinion, not worth much: one of the best YT videos I've seen all year; I've watched it more than once. The balances in the storytelling was damn near perfect. Importantly, the presentation was such that we all didn't realize that we had watched an hour plus video, even though it shows it is. It will be tough to top this one, but I look forward to the future attempts.
EDIT: I've been a fan since 'Fall of 76' and have watched the other videos as well. They're all good, but this one is by far the best.
Wendigoon is quite the actor, getting stuck in a cave and having his foot amputated at the end of the story. deserves an oscar or whatever the award is
Man I love you IH, but my intense claustrophobia is making it pretty damn hard to get through this one. Don't know if I'm gonna finish this one, but you have my thumbs up and eternal support lol
This is genuinely the best video you've ever made. You keep getting better and keep tackling more interesting stories, and this is one of the most interesting and compelling stories I've ever heard! I'm so grateful I learned of Floyd!
I know it doesn't have a physical impact on the poor man, but nobody deserved what he suffered and his story - filled with determination and humanity and surprising heroism - deserves to be told! RIP Floyd! You deserved better!
PS - You make the best commercials. Not just on YT, I mean that entirely.
PPS - Does this make me sound like a butt-kisser? You know what, I don't care. NO REGERTS!
I was already vaguely familiar with what happened to Collins from reading Ted the Caver, but this is the first time I've ever heard the full story. Which is kind of crazy because I've been to Mammoth Cave before.
crazy. I've heard this story a dozen times but never in so much detail. This video is also the first time I've heard the aftermath, about how he was shoved BACK into the cave as an attraction.
I'm at 4:52 so far and the combination of animation, music and the situation itself is giving me legit feelings of anxiety. That situation, even before the light goes out, sounds like one of my worst nightmares. I wouldn't go through a cave like that even if it were floodlight and there were a dozen trained cavers with me and constant communication to the surface but to do it alone.... with a single light... without being able to move your arms and legs, with the weight of the very ground itself pressing on your chest... Holy ** does that sound terrifying.
Just the slightest bit of hindsight really would have saved this mans life. Even if he was crippled from the accident he could have made a ton of money telling the story
it's so tragic that the same crowds of people who caused the collapse of the cave that killed him also had his body put up display in the same cave that they killed him in.
A deep dark hole you can never escape from. Constant bitter arguments, everybody acts like they have a plan, but none will ever succeed. And even in death it's all topped off with cynical soulless exploitation.
The saddest part is that if they just dug gravel from the start they would've got him out instead of trying plans that never ended up working. Huge respect to all the people who were able to make it down to him though
I think I discovered a new fear of mine. Thank you Internet Historian, thank you for making me fear the thought of Spelunking
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Jag Girl2022-10-15 04:30:01 (edited 2022-10-15 04:43:44 )
RIP Floyd.. 🌻 Very sad, but very well narrated story.👍 For starters, they should have sectioned off a large area, to keep people right away from the cave, and from standing and walking above it. National guard could have kept guard to enforce it. His brother did more in those hours, then anybody else did, in over 7 days. Miller was a legend too. Respect to him as well.👏👍
Its actually pretty cool how many caves are down here. Besides the creek beds, exploring all the little caves is neat. Found plenty of cool rocks and stuff, always bring your knife or your pocket gun out in the woods especially down south.
In like 15 years of my internet access i have watched thousands of videos. I can't remember watching a better video than this. I watched this video 3 days ago and come back today to watch it again.
Please, please , please... keep doing the videos like this or Concordia. I understand it's hard, but so worth it for us... me. I really hope you are making a ton of money
Truly a tragic story. And so morbid towards the end of the video. I don't mean to be "that guy" either, but it strikes me that they should have had the three guys who were able to squeeze through the tunnel work in shifts to remove debris instead of coming up with elaborate plans while leaving him trapped and dying for that long. But of course it's impossible to put yourself in that position, in that time period without sounding like a knowitall armchair general.
So if they had stuck to the original plan of moving rocks out of the way by hand and just swapping out guys when they got tired, could that have worked or was there too much gravel waiting to fall down?
I have loved all your videos for years, but man, I made it 5 minutes into this before I couldn't watch anymore. Guess I'll wait another year for the next video.
If only Homer said "What I can stand, I can stand no more! I'm gonna get you out of there myself!" And started digging directly down in the first place, then we'd probably have a happy conclusion.
I find it kind of funny that internet historian has really moved away from internet events despite his name, I mean this video was fantastic and all that, I'm not complaining just an observation
on my fifth rewatch the wiring of the breathing monitor sounds a bit too scetchy for me. especially when he died around the time the bulb went out. they most likely electricuted that guy!
Honestly if it was between dying in the cave and losing a foot, I'd lose a foot. Had he survived i think when he got to a hospital they would just cut it off.
How can any of you watch this??? It's super interesting and I'm sure it's an amazing story, but this is unbearable to watch. The stress of being stuck in a hole like that is way too much for me.
Kinda reminds me of an experience I had working at a paintball site, tho not nearly as severe tho. There was this bridge over an 8ft gorge and this girl fell through the bridge. I had the common sense to go under the bridge and check that when I pulled her up, I wasn't gonna be impaling her with the splintered planks
@Seth M-T I should add as well that she was actually in the bridge, stuck at about chest height. That's why I was mindful about checking the damage before pulling her up.
Now what I don’t understand… is why you don’t first widen the squeeze before going further. Obvious tourists are not going to go through the squeeze, so what’s the point of working on the next opening until the first is widened.
I get that he wanted to get in this new room, but it seems like he already knew what was in there, but just had to make it accessible.
Ik this is supposed to be comedic in nature, but i cant help it, this is the saddest shit iv ever heard... so much effort went to saving this man, all for him to still pass away, shit is just sad
I have horrible claustrophobia, and I don't think I've ever been more anxious than I was watching this. Then I cried. Then I got really pissed. Then I was relieved. What a journey. Also, fuck people, but yay to the National Park Service.
I fell asleep to this. Waking up I found that the same dialogue was being remarked amongst my ears, for the hour, it seemed nothing, dialectect was resolved. Good god, I thought, what a boring, viewing, hour.
I hate this all of this. U give me a big hope that Floyd would survive and see the light but no. Not only that the disrespect that the people did to him after he was dead just got me furious.
What scares me is that completely irrational "pull" that unreachable places have on us. I'm sure on some level Floyd only wanted an excuse to go in there. Every thinking part of your brain yells "GTFO" but theres a force outside of you pulling you in. The Junji Ito story captures this fear flawlessly. The hole was Floyd's.
I once planted a garden, quarantine hit and my garden became a hole , then a hole with a small crawl space in it. There is something about digging down.
yeah man the feeling when you know that you shouldn’t be doing this and you can get killed by it or badly injured but You just had to do it Because of that Weird feeling
This is the kind of story to tell those who believe there was any hope for mankind before the internet. Those mobs and tourists were every bit as stupid and frustrating to deal with as the people on social media are today. The major difference is that nowadays they get more exposure.
@cam the spectators would flock to Reddit and post stories about how they were traumatized by the event and how they nearly died from going 10 feet into the cave
I mean you literally just got done watching a youtube video that capitalized on his death to advertise some tank game. Don't act like youtubers are better
@AdrenalineHigh 1. it’s documentation. i didn’t pay anything and now i’m educated in depth about this event. 2. it’s a youtube ad. it’s what gets the videos done. it doesn’t take a smart guy to see the difference between this video and all of the attention seekers that tried to profit off of a man in dire need of help.
Couldn't agree more, as soon as the conspiracy theorists started their spiel about "what's REALLY going on", I was like...yep, that sounds about right. Some people just HAVE to feel smart by being a contrarian. I bet some still clung onto those theories even after his death.
Well I mean the diggers only came cause of the coverage lol, they almost saved him didn’t you watch the video, they were never gonna get him out the other way
@Leon Connelly It's true that it didn't just bring bad things with it. However, the diggers wouldn't have been necessary in the first place if the cave hadn't collapsed due to the hundreds of people there. When I say sensationalism, I don't mean the sympathy that can arouse within a lot of people when hearing a dramatic story, but the hundreds of people that came just to stand there and say 'Oh this is so horrible! SOMEONE has to do something about this!" (aka the gawkers), while causing snow to melt and drip down to him (Which was his cause of death) and the stability of the cave to deteriorate, ultimately causing the cave-in just when he was about to be saved.
My favorite scene was the introduction of the Dentist Thomas. That dude did the kind of thing that you would expect the first victim of a horror movie to do. That's the kind of disrespect that warrants a haunting or a curse or something. I don't know how he could open a business like that and not have nightmares haunt him for the rest of his life. Pure madness.
It's funny how people decided to make a buck not too long ago, much less spend their time and money at the time considering whatever else people had to worry about back then. Floyd spent all that effort and risk to try and get a tourist trap going to make a living and his father essentially sells everything he had to his name to a dentist that would prop up Floyd's corpse to get that same tourist trap eventually.
@Niko it's not an excuse, it's history. morals are arbitrary and change with society. once upon a time, ritual human sacrifice and cannibalism were considered normal too. it's not like we've stopped putting bodies on display in the interim, either. they just haven't been acquired through public grave-robbing... in the west.. usually.
@Rawhide Kobayashi western concepts of morality have been pretty stable in the large scale, back then I garuntee that it was viewed in a negative light, your nihilism is not as nuanced as you might think, relativism doesn't remove the validity of the subject morality you might have. Even in this case, it applies to the morality of the time I'm sure.
@Niko it does remove the validity of your subjective morality when looking back on a time you can't even begin to comprehend. even with alien societies in the current time.
the entirety of recorded history hardly even counts as a "large scale", but even within it there are countless instances of cannibalistic societies. you can project all you want, but meat is meat. and meat is absolutely delicious. it's only your self imposed chains of propriety telling you otherwise.
@Rawhide Kobayashi who says I can't comprehend this exactly, why should it matter that animalistic cannibals exist, should that affect my view of my own philosophy? No, I will continue to perceive reality as it is and promote my philosophy, nihilism is such a lazy self defeating way of thinking. Things being subjective doesn't mean that they lack validity. If the norm of the time was to crush children's heads in with rocks, why should I be so understanding as to judge them on their own morality, as if that matters to me or should matter?
@Niko I don't even know why you brought up nihilism, I don't even care about that at all.
Your "philosophy" sounds like bullying and name calling our ancestors instead of trying to understand the socioeconomic circumstances that lead them to their behavioral patterns. Which, to the point, cannibalism is probably the most reviled act among modern westernized humans, but it makes perfect sense if you're a paleolithic tribe! It's the fastest way to dispose of a body in a way that doesn't attract predators to your area, it gives you valuable calories, and it tastes damn good too!
Gotta admit that I was hopeful for the whole time, and once I heard that phrase I became heartbroken in a fraction of a second. Great line delivery right there
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U. Flame2022-09-29 17:32:31 (edited 2022-09-29 17:32:55 )
@Abyssal Boy Even that's not much of a spoiler because he would've died eventually by now, so a biography's title about someone over a century ago still doesn't reveal whether or not he lived though this particular experience
Ronald Reagan2022-10-02 23:47:10 (edited 2022-10-02 23:51:12 )
I am from Barren County where Cave City is located, and I've learned a lot about the cave system in general. My sister worked for a local cave named Diamond Caverns as a tour guide, and she was required to learn about the Cave Wars. To this day caves are still being discovered on local farms. I actually went to his father's house which is still standing, and they have the entrance to Sand Cave (which is down in the woods next to the house) locked behind a door.
Im from barren county as well and fly helicopters and small planes out of Moore field in Glasgow. If you fly over the country side you can see hundreds of the sinkholes formed by underground cave in’s all over the landscape. Most farmers push their brush piles and dead holes into them but, infamously, if you’re unlucky enough, you get one that swallows 7 corvettes.
@Amygdala the reporter guy went back with scientists and reporters to find it and it was apparently very impressing. i can't find pictures and all the information i could find was either in a book i couldn't find online or behind a paywall in a newspaper's archive
The story of Floyd Collins' entrapment in the cave system as well as the effort to rescue him was detailed by the YouTuber "Internet Historian" in a video entitled "Man in Cave" on September 29, 2022.[14]
Unfortunately someone said this: Revision as of 18:19, 30 September 2022 Removed irrelevant information (YouTube video does not qualify as “In Popular Culture”, otherwise the citations would become endless)
I liked how the video was decisively serious in tone, but still managed to squeeze in a few jokes here and there, without being disrespectful to the whole ordeal. I loved it.
The comedy works because the whole debacle already kinda sounds like something ripped straight out of a dark comedy, what the with the actual fair dedicated to a man trapped under a cave. Life can stranger than fiction, I guess
Having known NOTHING about this story before today (I recall vaguely hearing about some famous guy trapped in a cave, but nothing beyond that), I felt absolutely enthralled by this.
I can't possibly imagine the horror of dying down there in that dark abyss, knowing that they were desperately trying to get to you, but cut off from them regardless. I can only hope he was at least so far gone that it wasn't painful, that he just drifted into unconsciousness one last time, and that was it.
i do remember the story of the guy who was stuck in the cave for like 72 hours and had to get his arm amputated to free himself, but he survived, and i thought it was that story at first
I think the suffering of being alive down there, being unable to move a muscle, hungry, thirsty in pain and laying there in your own filth and shit is worse than dying at that point.
I know Internet Historian uploads like once every 6 months but goddamn every time he uploads it's a masterpiece. He successfully gave me crippling claustrophobia that I didn't have before! Awesome video!
Wow. As an european, I haven't heard this story before and I had no clue if Floyd would ever come out alive. It seemed so hopeless and people still kept trying. Not knowing if he survived really intensified the storytelling and highlighted the desperation of the situation.
So anxiety inducing and still close to nothing compared to what Floyd went through. Poor man.
What a great video. I really like this direction the channel is going, well done to everyone helping with this project!
Isn't all for nothing, it was a first also a test of what is possible and test limit of people.
Even if the situation is uncommon, it isn't unreasonable, take out the cave and put a collapsed building for example, now since we have a parameter of what to do or what could be done we learned how to act faster how much is a risk.
What is wild, is that I work at Mammoth Cave National Park. I walked to Sand Cave all the time. I tell Floyd's story all the time while doing tours at the cave. Before going into Crystal Cave, which Floyd found and operated as a "show cave". I visit Floyd's grave and ask for permission and his blessing to go in. This is common amongst all cavers that visited Floyd Collin's Crystal Cave. He is held in high regard at Mammoth Cave and the surrounding area, including "Cave City" lmao.
It is a beautiful retelling of the story. I appreciate the research and work gone into this Internet Historian. Though there were some errors in the story, it doesn't overshadow how well this was done.
This will forever be my favorite video on YouTube ❤ Thank you sir
@Attigator There is a "Bat Gate" located across the entrance of the cave. It is to allow bats and other wildlife into the cave, but keep people out. These are located on lots of caves through the park.
Do you know, was there a money cave to be found? Or was it just all a tight crevasse? I've searched around and even found they did new excavation in the 80s, but it didn't seem like they went past where Floyd was.
@boochparadise Floyd did find another bigger passageway on the other side of the tight crevasse. Though no trips go into Sand Cave, due to the tragedy of the events. Along with it just being a dangerous cave.
The whole reason it is called 'Sand Cave' is because the whole top portion of the cave is Sandstone rock. In comparison to Limestone caves, Sandstone caves are very unstable and very likely to collapses.
@Rafael 'Fig' Figueiredo One of the major errors is about Sand Cave itself. Floyd never owned Sand Cave, the land was owned by Bee Doyle (mentioned in the video). Floyd owned what was called Crystal Cave, it was on his family property. He found that cave in 1917, build up the trails and operated it from there on out. The reason he went to Sand Cave is to get closer to the main road. Crystal Cave had terrible gravel roads and far off the main road. So Floyd cut a deal with Bee Doyle to explore through Sand Cave and cut a deal 50/50 to make it a "show cave".
After the tragedy, Floyd would be laid to rest on the family land. Then later put into Crystal Cave for display, not Sand Cave.
There were other errors, but that was the main one.
@Megalogo Sand Cave and Crystal Cave, which you see pictures of signs in the video, are two separate caves. Not one singular cave with inchanging names.
Floyd would be put on display in Crystal Cave, not Sand Cave. Crystal Cave was on Floyd's family property, while Sand Cave was owned by Bee Doyle.
the recounting of events from one of carmichael’s men and his final interactions with floyd is one of the most heartbreaking things i have ever heard. thank you for making this video and humanizing a man who was dehumanized for so long.
That point in which homer gains the strength to beat 5 other men in a rope pulling contest is just one of those moments where people gain super human strength in a time of need
Adrenaline and Strength. Also his mindset definitely. If he hears his own Brother getting Tortured that way then of course he will give everything to make sure that the other Rope Pullers stop
@i didn't mean to shoot that vietnamese farmer but- And your brain literally telling your nerves to shut up while you strain your muscles and joints beyond their limits, the body is such a wonderful system.
@Jeff Bezos without the pesos yup this about sums it up. Most the people in the story sucked and I wouldn't even share a glass of water with them. For the people who actually had the balls to help and try and save the man's life before the story blew up, they are inspiring. For the people who did it because they were paid to at the end when the government got involved I'll respect the effort and they don't disgust me. Those gawkers and everyone else, especially the father, horrible people that disgust me.
It's not even the people who went in and then baulked at the sight of "the squeeze" that disgust me, I get that - it's simple fear and self-preservation. It's all the people who literally just stood around gossiping when all it would have taken was two or three guys working in relays to clear the rubble around him.
@Jeff Bezos without the pesos no, but it makes me disgusted what humans can do, this works either way, a man can do horrible things and make me hate humanity, or one make can do a great thing and make me have hope for humanity.
This story 100% just crystallises humanity. The vast majority of good honest people doing everything they can to rescue 1 person. And then the minority of psychopaths who ruin it and exploit it.
The majority was standing around doing nothing and mostly just making things worse by ignoring common sense. A small minority was trying to help him, some because they were genuinely great people, some for profit or publicity and such. And another small minority of psychopaths then profited off their failure.
Seems to me that the "psychos" outnumbered the "good people" here, and calling that psychopathic behavior is a stretch; it wasn't lack of empathy what drove those idiotic masses to worsen things, it was pure stupidity, ignorance, arrogance, greed and even disbelief in some cases. They weren't mentally ill, just mentally dumb. Anyways, good/bad people is such a childish construct to begin with, when such large numbers of people gather lots of curious idiots can be spotted among the very few actually helping, the rest is part of a narrative in your head created from a re-telling of events from decades ago. Chill
The vast majority of people were ignorant idiots that weren't there to help Floyd, but to entertain themselves through arguments and by gawking. Others were just straight up parasites that were profiting off the story like those who set up the carnival or that dentist. The efforts of the very small minority that legitimately tried to help Collins were destroyed by these people.
This story just shows how shitty most people are. I'm left even more depressed now after watching this.
Honestly same, I can only imagine what he went through in those last few hours alone, I just hope it was peaceful. He died knowing he had people who loved him and would risk their life for him and I think that’s what we all want in our final moments
Same.. I expected his death through the whole video until it actually happened. It is amazing on its own how long he survived. Definitely gutted When he was found dead.
I currently live in Kentucky. I moved here a couple years ago when I went to college. My fiancee took me to Mammoth cave a year ago and I remember our guide telling us about this story. I swear to God those caves are terrifying. Especially in the dark. Our guide turned the light off at one point to give us a perspective of how bad it would be to be stuck. This situation is an absolute nightmare.
yeah they did that to me in the great saltpeter cave at night when someone let us in and they didn't have the lights on. it's a showcave so there's normally lights on and it's not very big, despite that I couldn't find my way to the next passage but it was really fun trying. have you been to rockcastle county? or karstorama? Mammoth cave is great but there's some real awesome ones there
@Sven Kortjohn I haven't been there before. I just did some research on it and it seems like a fun experience. I'll have to let my fiancee know and we can plan a trip there
THE- THERE'S NO IMAGE ATTACHED! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR FACE LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU ARE LITERALLY A CAVERN TOUR GUIDE WHO TELLS THE STORY OF FLOYD COLLINS EVERY SINGLE DAY AT WORK OH GOD IF ONLY WE WERE ACTUALLY ON DA CHANS THE HUMANITY
This was an incredibly well-done retelling of the story. It's incredible seeing how commonplace it was at the time to turn every tragedy into a tourist trap, or display literal corpses like props. I'm glad that Floyd was able to be put to rest, even if it was 60 years too late.
They still do the same thing on that death trap ruined by tourists called Mount Everest. There are quite a lot of bodies strewn along the trails. It's an extremely dangerous and overrated climb that attracts amateurs that have no business on an over 8000 meter high mountain. 311 deaths so far and counting
unfortunately, still to this day it's rather common. Afaik "Sylvester the Mummy" and Marie “Mummy” O'Day are still on display somewhere in the US, together with 1000's of mummies and corpses dug up by archeologists.
Unfortunately many bodily remains don't get the peace they deserve, and are instead turned into sideshows for tourists
@Der Süddeutsche Sumpf Oh, yeah-- I remember learning that its gotten to the point where some of the bodies are literally used as location markers to tell where you are. One of them was called "Rainbow guy" or something because of the colorful garments he had
@Mailio Honestly, I hadn't even considered the mummies.. I do often forget how many institutions abused and pillaged burial sites for research. If possible, the ones taken unethically should be returned, but that's like.. Not happening
What makes this story even sadder is they were so close to getting him out. I think if that cave in happened a day or two later they genuinely could have gotten that rock off his leg. Its a shame honestly
Remember that the last time he saw someone, it was before the cave in. I just hope that he could have known the effort so many people were still making to save him. That they didn't give up on him.
Milller was probably my favorite character, he is like, the complete opposite of modern Journalism, what journalism should be. I’m not saying they should risk their lives, but they should report on things to educate people, not to find bad news and profit by making it sound worse.
He started out wanting to find a story for his company, to gain fame, but he genuinely wanted to help and was dedicated, what a great guy
there were huge sections in this video about how the journalism of the day sensationalized the story and didn't fact check the people trying to make it seem like a hoax, and then had to retract their articles about it. i'm just saying that saying he's "the complete opposite of modern journalism" makes it sound like back then journalism was great, and now it's bad, rather than that there's always been issues with sensationalism and/or dishonesty in the media, and there have also always been journalists who have real passion and integrity too.
@Soitisisit they're writing articles that don't get popular enough to be seen (or for publications which aren't popular enough), or are not interesting enough
Holy crap, those early parts describing squeezing into the cave made me feel extremely tense and uncomfortable and I was like 'well okay, that sucked, but it'll be over soon cause Floyd will come back out of the cave! 14 friggin' days later Nooo! You can't tell a story about a cave rescue where the person wasn't rescued! You added to my anxiety-load with all that talk of squeezing into into a deep dark hole in the ground and getting trapped and then failed to remove it by telling me how he was finally freed and rescued from the cave to live happily ever after.
@Rust rug skin the nutty putty cave was a similar incident. but in more modern times. there's actually, an upsetting amount of trapped in cave stories that don't end well. which is why I don't think I'd ever go caving.
This is the ONLY video on YouTube that made me feel my heart pulse out of stress. God bless those miners , volonteers and the press who published his story.
I recommend you give "The Battle of May Island" by Fredrik Knudsen a try. Very similar video to this one in quality by a very similar creator. He's the guy behind Down the Rabbit Hole, has been creating content like Internet Historian's for years. The Battle of May Island video gave me an extremely similar feeling of dread that this video did, even worse than this one in fact. Only bad part is that the first bit of May Island video is real boring.
During the past 5 days there was no way I could get this story out of my head. My guts wretch, my heart shatter thinking about what Floyd went through, all this time alive down there, about Omar who lived all this time with the fear of losing his brother, unable to do something, desperately trying to get floyd out. This Is absolutely terrifying
mate the same I keep thinking of him alone in that cave... the only solace I can take is that its been 100 years and everyone associated is dead but still I keep thinking hes down there.
Same here. And I watched this after waking up randomly at 3 am and after couldn't sleep, I just turned on the TV and youtube. And I was like this the whole time O.O
@rrpostalagain nutty putty cave at least had him die faster. Floyd here suffered for days and days on end, constantly with hope to believe he could be saved. He was not.
my poor dad is sick of hearing me talk to him about this story. "I can't believe it, the reporter actually made it to him dad!" Meanwhile man's just trying to do his own thing nodding along to me hahahah
It was probably hard to agree on whether what had happened had actually been progress or not. But yes, trough the entire first 1-2 weeks I was left wondering why there wasn't just always someone digging trough the gravel in hopes that they might empty it out eventually. Days of talking and then eventually resorting to the first solution and it worked until only the large rock was left.
Also that it took so long before someone came around that actually had knowledge about structural integrity, even the men who didn't go trough the squeeze could have spent the first week generally widening the way into the turnaround and stabilizing it with wooden pillars. I assume it was because anyone hearing about it the first two weeks would always assume that the rescue was just about to be finished, but it's wild how long it took back then to send in anyone else than a local self thought cave explorer, when anyone is stuck in caves today the army will be there within half an hour to fence of the area and fly in the best cave rescuers in the world.
I literally just got back from a trip to mammoth cave national park and I completely missed this piece of history while there. I feel so unbelievably bad for this poor man and what happened to him was just awful and tragic. May he rest in peace now. I'm also now terrified of caves
I remember learning about Floyd Collins a long time ago and how his rescue was hampered by the fact that it became a spectacle, but I didn't realize how batshit it all was, even after the poor man passed away.
@Cristiano Faustino I think he's just wondering why people can't take a moment by themselves, without speaking up about it. Not gonna lie, I've seen a scary amount of "can we take a moment" and "can we appreciate" comments lately, as though people don't know how to respect or appreciate something without other people showing them the way. It's shallow, it's stupid, and it reeks of narcissism.
How one story can show both the best and the worst of humanity, all of it while being incredibly ironic with him being even more trapped in the cave after being "rescued".
Entertaining and philosophical. Was definitely an episode worth waiting for. Great job as always.
As someone who lives like 20 minutes from Cave City, it's actually crazy to see the places I've personally seen on one of the Internet Historian videos. I've been inside the Mammoth Cave Baptist Church before and been to the cemetery behind it. There's always been rumors about it being haunted, but it's somewhat normal in there. A lot of restoration work goes into it. Never knew about this story though, next time I go I'll look for Floyd's tombstone.
Wow talk about integrity to turn down all that money or dumb I'm not sure because he could have took at least half of it and gave it to the family and still be well off so I don't know if that was a good idea or bad I mean he was there from the beginning he must have formed some type of friendship very interesting but pretty sad
I love how this was a sort of patient zero for the life cycle of a news story we all take for granted today, from the up-to-the-minute coverage, oversaturation, rumor mills, and postmortem media tours - the whole taco. I was instantly reminded of the Baby Jessica stuck in the well story from when I was a kid.
I'm with you on the 'whole taco' don't let anyone naysay taco portioning. And also yeah, its definitely a patient 0 situation on news stories. What did we learn from it all? F*k all.
That's insane how the news cycle went off the rails like that. It felt very modern, in the bad way. I'm glad he got some sort of dignity and peace eventually.
@TealWolf26 I was getting ready to see them finally pull him out alive the whole time. Wondering if what he'll say and the psychological effects and everything and what his life would be like afterward....
I’m still not sure if trapping me in an actual cave for 72 hours was necessary to record my lines, but it certainly got results. We should probably go check on the editors though, even if “they don’t deserve food” I don’t think sealing them in was appropriate.
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when i saw your face i absolutely knew that you had finally gone insane and chased the cave people
6652 likesShould've called The Giants for help.
5558 likesKeep up the great work big unna
674 likesnah bro remember they have eachother to eat so they'll be fine
709 likesHey Dad!
334 likesIt's crazy that it was less than a year ago I found some guy covering the conspiracy iceberg and now he's on an Internet Historian video. Congrats bud
798 likesWENDI <3
189 likesYour sacrifice is appreciated. Now get back in the hole.
583 likeswatching wendigoons face on it was hilarous during the traumatic story
356 likesWendigoon?
324 likesMore like wendigoingtodie
Look here Jesus you had to spend at least 72 hrs before you could resurrect, otherwise it would be kinda lame and we don't want that
130 likesYou’re my favorite guest he’s had on and id never new I’d want this colab
64 likesIt's now cannon that Sumito is your brother.
105 likesSo true. Thank you for your efforts, Mr Wendigoon
25 likesWendigoon collab with internet historian is a real surprise!
44 likesI’ve read PL, Frankenstein and Purgatorio just because of your videos. You’re possibly my favorite channel Wendi
24 likesI spit out the food I was eating when I saw Wendigoon's face. Lol
29 likesnext time you go in a cave ffs please tell somebody before !
10 likesLove you Wendigoon 🤘 hope you're doing well man
12 likesTrying to check up on that hollow earth theory again are we?
17 likesA masterpiece
1 likeI love you wendi been around since the beginning love ya man.
2 likesWow two of my favorites on one video I'm amazed 😮
2 likesYou were a voice actor for this? Neat
1 likeMan I think you're a masochist
0 likes18:58 lol 😂
7 likesDid u find the giants?
6 likesSpotted you straight away dude!
0 likesLove your videos, Wendigoon! Fun to see you in an IH video.
1 likeU gotta work for that historian paycheck wendylad
0 likesDude! When you're face popped up I was like "it can't be"!!!
7 likesHaha Wild Wendigoon.
0 likesI was wondering why your face was there but then i saw ur coment XD
1 likeNow that's what I call method acting
1 likeThe editors are expendable
2 likesWendi, im seeing you in almost every comment section I go to and I'm starting to think you're haunting my YouTube.
6 likesI wonder what you thought about being ripped through the cave into the ocean and being face to face with a sea monster.
0 likesif that's what it takes to IH to make videos in the main channel, then it was worth it.
1 likeThe true reason he went down that hole....Giants
1 likeShould have kept that Magic Spoon handy.
9 likesHope the Weird Bible Podcast is still going Wendigoon ❤️
2 likesCome on man. Just give them your box or two of your magic spoon
1 likeLol amazing
0 likesSup'
0 likesCringe
0 likesI recognized that face immediately. Love your stuff buddy!
1 likeI hope Wendi made it out 🙏
1 likeWendi is best 👌
0 likesThat is commitment to the craft like you don't normally see
1 likethey call it method acting
3 likesBro uploaded
0 likesNah wendigoon
1 likeInsane collab i love it 😁🫶
0 likesThis is gold!
0 likesYou made it into an IH video!!
0 likeswtf i just came from your western front video and here you are
5 likesIt was absolutely necessary! Now shit the fuck up, and talk more about things related to the relationship of Christ and man, that makes me cry every time I think of the concept, damn it!
0 likesLol jk
But seriously... More, please.
Who are you to stay in the way of TRUE ART
3 likesbro when i saw you face i immediately went to the comments lmao
4 likesHES GONE MAD
0 likesWith an attitude like that, you might be a victim of business restructurization.
0 likesAyo my favorite youtuber in the comments of my 15th favorite youtuber
2 likesMethod acting at its finest
1 likeThe alphabet boys finally got you huh. Their rock placement was ingenious in your capture.
2 likesGive them magic spoon
1 likeNext time he gonna put you in an iceberg
0 likesI KNEW it was you!
0 likesI burst out laughing when I saw your face 😂😂
0 likesIf this is why video uploads are slow, I'm perfectly okay with this.
1 likeOh shit. Is this why you brought up the Mammoth Cave thing on General Sam's podcast?
1 like@Aussie and think of all the pee they can drink. Lucky!!
1 like@Aussie they can just keep eating a little bit back and forth, that's like infinite food
2 likeswdym there’s good wine in there
0 likesThey did search
0 likesluv me wendi
0 likesTell me Wendi, was the hole Biblically accurate???
3 likesShut up and do your job right or u’ll be seal in with those editors
2 likesWhat is this, some kind of crossover episode??
2 likesInternet Historian: “This man is Floyd Collins.”
6 likesMe: No, that man is Wendigoon!
yo hasten up that monument mythos part 2 video man
0 likesIf you mean by "food" as a pit of pissed off scorpions and rattlesnakes by all means give it to them
2 likesNice
0 likesWhat an incredible journey in less than 2 years going from obscure YouTuber discussing mysteries and conspiracies recorded on a potato to being one of the biggest channels and a main protagonist of an Internet Historian joint. Hats off to you @Wendigoon
7 likeseveryone's favourite dad on everyone's favourite gramps'es channel 🙃
2 likesIt was bro... it was
1 likelove ur stuff m8
0 likesYooo
0 likesWendigoon?
1 likeMore like
SubTerranianDweller...
Yeah...
problem?
0 likesWho are u
0 likesA bit off topic, but is there a place where viewers can submit video ideas?
0 likesentirely inappropriate
0 likesGuys I think I know what happened to Frederik Knudsen...
1 like@Auxilium he won't stop at nothing to chase after the elf people who wronged him.
0 likesIt's all because of the magic spoon. First he was a crazy woodsman and now the caves have him.
3 likesYeet
0 likesWendigoon!!!
0 likesHonestly, I kept thinking you were Matt Berry 🤣
1 likewow
0 likesAt first i thought he used your face because you live in kentucky or something...you def live in the south you have the tiniest accent but i can hear it. Either way this is interesting as all get out
0 likesDid you yell "Caaaave" when falling into it?
1 likeYou become to enveloped in the idea of hollow earth and giants😂
0 likesBest collab
0 likesI knew I recognized that hamsum face
0 likesWendigoon i love your content and you do awesome work for the youtube community thank you for the awesome content!
0 likesNoiiice!
0 likesRelatable
0 likesDedication.
0 likesthis entire video i was thinking of when you talked about the cave guy on general sams podcast
0 likesPoor wendigoon 😢
0 likesDo you see Agartha and Giants in the cave?
0 likesHope you get out man
1 likeNah fully appropriate
0 likesIt was those god damn magic spoon elves wasn't it
0 likesI love your channel wendigoon!!!
0 likesBro I've been watching you before you blew up, now you're in an IH video? Love it.
1 likeDad!!!
0 likesHomie got stuck down there looking for Agartha.
0 likesholy crap the crossover i never knew i needed
0 likesAt least you made it out of the cave.
0 likesHey floyd, gl with them caves
0 likesAlso it would've been nice to know that you and Sumito were actually brothers years ago.
1 likeWendigoon, it's time for a 4 hour frame by frame video on this topic.
0 likes@Scarlet That's a very wendigoon esque thing to do
0 likesCongratulations Wendigoon! Your the star of the show.
1 likeWendigoon!!!
0 likesI was wondering why your face was in the video lol
0 likesIt's they're home now, fear not of editors.
0 likesI WAS LIKE I KNOW HIM
0 likesHahaha
0 likesI adore that you were in this ♥
0 likesThe rock that fell on your leg looked like an iceberg.
2 likesI'm glad you got out and ended up making great content
0 likesBring some chicken and dumplings too
0 likesWaaaaaait a minute... arent you dead? And footless, for that matter?
0 likesWendy, as long as it isn't the living gore cave
1 likeWas scrolling down to comment about wendingoon and found gold
0 likesBack in the hole, Wendigoon
0 likesFor the realism. Nothing gets you immersed in a role than actually being that close to death
0 likesno it was completely necessary
0 likesIts the Wendigoat himself
2 likesFOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE DO A COLAB FOR HALLOWEEN!!!!
0 likesLove your works man, being trapped in a cave for 3 days, eating nothing but bts kfc meals is worth it.
0 likesBtw, you sounds like the baby of sterling archer and troy baker
oh so this is the reason why you talked about wife and divorce in your raid ad haha
0 likesGet that dude I watch alot too
0 likesThat's how gramps likes it.
0 likesDone like a real method actor, proud of you.
0 likesOMG WENDIGOON
0 likesoscar worthy voice acting
0 likesYou're acting was great, I appreciate all of your method acting
0 likesHey Dad!
0 likesSome say he is still there re-uploading the Frankenstein video
0 likesWhen you said “sup” I felt the pain of a man who always needs to dig deeper in life
0 likesSaw you're face and was like no way. You've made it to the major leagues Wendi.
2 likesYo did you discover the Hollow Earth and find Giants?
1 like@Wendigoon Anything for science tho.....
0 likesLmao dammit man 🤣
0 likesIt was absolutely necessary. The realism is what this video needed and you know it!
0 likesI’m sorry bro but when I saw “hole” I immediately thought about “cave” from the forehead fables podcast😂😂😂
0 likesAre you looking for cave giants now?
0 likesIceberg of caving
0 likesI live for these YouTube collaborations. My 2 favorite creators ♥️
0 likesHey, if James Franco can make his career with a webcam and a rock, you can to.
0 likesI was praying you made it out of the cave
0 likesIt makes me so happy to see you expanding out so rapidly!!
0 likesOh SHIT! THE 'GOON and I.H.?! Y'all trying to form Voltron?!
0 likesFirst on Charlie's channel and now Internet Historian. Wendigoon, please tell me you've got a collab with Shoe0nhead in the works
1 likeWendigoon you can pull off the dead body look
0 likesOh boy a video with wendigoon and internet historian is a grand video
0 likesYou deserved it
0 likesWendigoon, YouTube’s favorite Christian
0 likesI thought the dude's face looked familiar xD
0 likesI read this before watching the video so I have no idea what I’m getting myself into by I live your work and the historians so this is about to be great I’m sure
0 likesha you would be here. woke in Christ bro.
0 likesthe dedication to the craft.
0 likesYou can't treat editors like people buddy. They start getting uppity ideas in their head like getting paid fairly or not acting as a human toilet during filming.
1 likeGoon you're fiiiinnnneeeee
0 likesColab on Incognito Mode when?
0 likesU so funny wendigoober
0 likesYESSSSSSSS
0 likesit's called "getting into character"
0 likesWindy I love u
0 likesWendigoon really did speedrun the Youtuber experience lmao
0 likesSo the question is? Is internet historian really that old man in the pictures lol
0 likeshow do you feel knowing your friend photoshoped you dead ?
0 likesLol! I just finished your recent video and now this video comes up with you too. This is too perfect.
0 likesITS YOUR HOME! Get back in there!
0 likesOf all youtubers I could imagine encountering you in a sewer or cave and just "sup"
0 likesJust finished your “all quiet on the western front” video only to notice your face on internet historian 😂
0 likeswhy is he in a video you ask? GIAN..
0 likesActors always complain. That's why they stay as ACTORS and not CONTENT CREATORS. An actor has never been sponsored by a tank.
0 likesHey it's Goon!
0 likesare you still down there?
0 likesThe cereal people got to him
0 likesI love this so much ❤
0 likesDamnit wendigoon, you spoiled that you are in the video. That would've been better as a surprise.
0 likesWhere they looking for some Amontillado?
0 likesI laughed so hard when I saw your face!! XD
0 likesYou know it was though.
0 likesHi dad
0 likesLooks like your magic spoon forest adventure took you to a cave
0 likesthe colab the world desperately needs
0 likesI was about to call out using wendigoon for this video, as I have a terrible memory for faces I wasn't sure, but now I know (haven't come up on the voice lines yet)
0 likesIt great seeing you in the video @Wendigoon lol
0 likesis this the film you were making haha idk man
0 likesIf they're so compentent why dont they just edit a way out huh??
0 likesIf they dont get out on their own, they dont deserve to get out at all
Giants!
0 likesWooooooo universes are colliding!!!!
0 likestoo casual, 72 more hours
0 likesyou said this in the forehead fables podcast
0 likesLook, it's papa!
0 likesThey'll be fine
0 likesGot lost on the way to agartha
0 likes64 years*
0 likesGreat work there buddy
0 likesBro what are you doing here!?
0 likes10:55 completely missed opportunity to make his brother have Homer Simpson’s head.
0 likesWho let you out? Someone will be fired for this!
0 likesSorry that you died
0 likesgoddammit why did both of my favs have to post hour long bangers during midterm season
0 likesCave time
0 likesI see you've been taking notes from china
0 likesI love you
0 likesThat's what happens when you impromptu spelunk
0 likesyou absolute mad lad
0 likesim almost a grown man by now but i almost cried when Wendigoon bravely says "its wendin' time" at the end
0 likesHaha I watching from a little far away and went "wait is that Wendigoon!? IT IS! HA"
0 likesI knew I knew that face!
0 likesMy surprise when I saw Wendigoon in this film😳
0 likesI died when I saw your face. Never thought I’d see another IH video and never thought I’d see you in one. What a great day
1 likeOnly through sacrifice can something truly be called an art.
0 likesLmao I noticed the face and immediately checked comments
0 likesThe Chad wendigoon
0 likesSome of them may die..., but it's a sacrifice he's willing to make.
0 likesSounds irresponsible
0 likesIn 1925 of all years
0 likesMy two favorite youtubers collab on a video after IH hasn't made a video in forever omg wtf thank you all
0 likesMaybe you dont deserve food either, you wouldnt want to lose your food privilidges would you?
0 likesGoonsquad fam in this bitch
0 likesI genuinely was like holy shit he's in an IH video he's finally been recognised 😇😇 you deserve it dude your videos are amazing 🙈
0 likesKeep up the smart talk Wendigoon and your next destination will be the middle of the ocean lol
0 likesDAD!
1 like@TheodoreSpaghetti crazy that I came here from a conspiracy video about hidden worlds underground I followed from wendigoons vids
0 likeslmao goofy face
0 likesSo this is why you knew such about this story during the forehead fables podcast. You had this planned all along you mastermind you.
0 likesCRAZIEST ANIME CROSSOVER EVER
0 likesYo Wendibro!
0 likesI knew, I know this face from somewhere :D
0 likesThe colab we needed
0 likesI ❤ WENDIGOON
0 likesTook longer to make this vid than it did to get you out that cave eh?
0 likesCan you please do video on the full breakdown of the cave wars?
0 likesSo fucking good!! ❤❤❤
0 likesBahaha I knew it was your face 😂
0 likesYE WTF ahahaha I was like IS HE REALLY HIM?
0 likesWendigoon 🤨🤨
0 likesI didn't know I needed a Wendigoon and IH collab until now. I see I've been lacking it this while time
0 likesIt took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize it was you!
0 likesI KNEW IT WAS YOU
0 likesIn the field when
0 likesHandsome Brian back at it again
0 likesIt is the way
0 likesYou guys let the editors live? Unsubbed. Fucking cringe
0 likesI heart cave people
0 likesWaiting for some Tumblr transplant to take this seriously on Twitter as a criticism of "late capitalism."
0 likesWendigoon-EmpLemon collab when?
0 likesWhy don't you just make another wildly successful conspiracy theory iceberg video and cry about it.
0 likesOne does not question the Historian.
0 likesthey knew the risks
0 likesOmg Wenigoon
0 likesThey got what they fucking deserve
0 likes“Cave!”
0 likesGOOD JOD DAD, IM PROUD OF YOU
1 likethis is starting out so good, im saving it for later =O
0 likeslove you wendigoon!! All of your videos are fantastic and I very much enjoy your content
0 likesThe whole cast in this video was awesome.
1 likedid you succeed in finding the giants down there though?
1 likeSome say he’s still making videos in the cave to this day
1 likeIt's no Mystery Flesh Pit, but any holes a goal????
1 likeI thought the man looked familiar, but I kept thinking its Hungry Box
0 likesWhen are we gonna see a true collab guys? C'mon! Maybe an "in the field" episode?
0 likesCan't wait to comment "Congrats on escaping the cave hole!" on your next video.
0 likesTrue
0 likeslets go windigoon collab
0 likesThe king is back
0 likesYou did a great job, Floyd Wendigollins!
0 likesAwesome collab guys, very very awesome
0 likesThis comment made my peener grow.
0 likesI was watching this video like why does that look like wendigoon's face... so I went down to see if there was something about you in the description and here you are. it is lol
0 likesNice to see Wendigoon getting so big in the YouTube community. An awesome creator with one of the most impressive growths I’ve ever seen on this platform. If this video is your first time hearing of him, go check him out, he’s great.
0 likesGlad your still alive man!
0 likesSeeing your face was funny af lol
0 likesI thought that was you!
0 likesYou better make a video about the Kentucky Cave Wars after this
0 likesDude when it comes to adding quality to other creator’s content you are on a different plane.
0 likesdaddy Wendigoon please notice me
0 likesRIP Goony, he will be missed, stuck in a cave after think there were giants inside
0 likesSee that’s where you’re wrong. True art requires sacrifice.
0 likesYou hit the big leagues kid! Was so excited to see your face in this video! Keep up the good work man!
0 likes😊😊😮
0 likescrazy that you trapped yourself in a cave for over 100 hours for this video
0 likesI was fired 2 weeks ago, and seeing there was a new IH video today that I could watch when I first woke up was worth it.
0 likesSo if nothing else, thank you for the unnecessary sacrifice.
bro what 💀
0 likes😂
0 likesWassup duuude! Bro this collab's awesome
0 likesI can’t believe you’ve grown your channel to this heights so soon, in what feels like worst YouTube atmosphere for growth.
0 likes8 minutes in and I only just realized why Floyd looked so familiar
0 likesBe honest Goondaddy, the moment with the chain attached to your ankle while you were drifting around the ocean floor is like an acid trip of your real worst nightmare, isn't it?
0 likes@CheekiBreeki who
0 likesHey, I heard about what happened to you in 1927, sorry about that
0 likes@Auxilium I guess those conspiracy videos finally caught up to Wendigoon
0 likesLooks like internet historian is taking a page out of supermegas book
0 likes@Brandon Herrera And guns.
0 likesAppropriate? Maybe not. Justifiable? Without a doubt. I also wouldn't feel too bad about the food thing either. I have seen The Descent and it's been scientifically proven that humans living inside caves for an extended periods evolve into a cannibalistic humanoid creature. They'll be fine.
0 likeswhy u gettin urself trapped in a cave man, waitin for ur next video here
0 likesLove u wendigoon
0 likesYou've officially made it. Lol, this was awesome.
0 likesIt's called method acting, you wouldn't understand
0 likesI was like wtf is that wendigoon
0 likesI'm so glad y'all collabed
0 likesAyy it’s wendi
0 likesShould've asked the giants for help
0 likesYou’re cool
0 likessure....
1 likelet’s not pretend you hadn’t gone in to find tupac and biggie in their inter dimensional portal
1 likeI stop watching your video when I saw mr history’s upload, sorry
1 likeAm I the only one who thinks this could have been handled differently?
0 likes4:20 nice
0 likeslol
0 likesLMAO I saw the face and I was like "...hey way a sec is that"
0 likesget over yourself
0 likesThought that looked like my dad
0 likesDon't worry, Wendigoon, I'll save you!
0 likesgets to the turnaround point
Ummmm I left my stove on
Isaiah, we don’t wanna hear another peep from you until you drop the WWII video!!!
0 likesBoop
0 likesyoure from appalachia you’ll be fine
1 likeOh Wendigoon...who said you could leave the cave?
1 likehey dad
0 likesIt’s more believable for us, the audience, though. I vote to leave them there
0 likesLove you Wendi! We're from the same area and it makes me so happy someone from around here is killing it.
0 likesKnew it was windigoon.
0 likesThat's a strange I thought that was just your bedroom
0 likesDo not question the director. Each time a verbal offense is committed you will spend another twenty-four hours in the cave with out necessary provisions. First and last warning.
1 likeits fine they like it down there. They're youtube video editors, being secluded from human contact in the darkness is natural for them.
0 likesIt was the cia want it
0 likesShould've joined the boat experiment instead
0 likescall your fans wendigoons and you can carry us around with you in spirit and be like me and the wendigoons don''t like what you are sayin mista and then give em a bop right to the head then tell us wendigoons to get lost you got it from here and then we all dissipate into the ether after you summon us. i totally didnt get this idea from another awesome popular youtube video. ;)
0 likesOh dam hey Wendigoon!
0 likesThe whole time watching this I was thinking, "Why doesn't Floyd start explaining icebergs to people in there with him? He could have done like 3 the whole time he was in there."
0 likesFirst
0 likesGoooner! How you get stuck in the cave bro?
0 likesI was fucking wondering if that was you! Internet Historian always manages to include the best YouTubers.
1 likeLmao i like just seen your face and went to comment but i see your on top of it ahaha
1 likeGood help is hard to find.....
0 likesOh shit, Wendigoon is here 👁️👄👁️
1 likeThe second I saw your face I lost my shit laughing! I knew this was gonna be good! Love you Wendigoon!
1 likeWhich Wendigoon video is 1:09:00 ?
0 likesI'm glad you made it out.
0 likesIs this why you were talking about this on sams podcast where they drowned him in biscuits and gravy
0 likesSo that’s where the door led to!
0 likesSo it’s not a story about it…
0 likesHaven't even watched this video yet but Holy shit this is the crossover of the decade for me
0 likesGoon and historian colab?!? Let's goooo
1 likeLove your content.
0 likes🤣
0 likesI thought this was You!!!
0 likeshey its the guy
0 likesYour name is officially Wendy. Wendy Whiner. Wahh trapped in a cave wahh wahh 72 hours wahh my friends are sealed in.
1 likeDaddy
0 likes@Chayce Lucas my brother in Christ, did you watch the video?
0 likesLmao I had to rewind the video to make sure I wasn't seeing things and sure enough it was Wendigoon
1 likeMY DUDE I saw you for the first time and went “WENDIGOON NO” (considering the fact I already know how this story ends)
1 likeEAT THE BTS BURGER
0 likeshey
0 likesLmao
0 likesI’m watching hasanabi watch this rn and had to come check the actual comments to make sure that was you and I wasn’t going insane
0 likeswendigoon is a spooky boy (owns night vision)
0 likesHe made sure you were in character 😤
0 likeslol wendigoon and inhistorian collab
0 likesI was wondering if that's you
0 likesI saw you and was like "wait... is that Wendigoon?"
0 likes@CheekiBreeki I wonder if he knows about the red hair giants underneath mammoth cave
0 likesYeh boi, nice one
0 likesThe entire first few minutes my brain said wait is that wendigoon?!?! Lovely stuff.
0 likesTrying to find the hollow earth again mate?
0 likesRIP Windegoob. He was okay.
0 likesHey, I know you. What a crazy crossover the two of you, almost as crazy as when the CIA refused to turn documents retaining to the assassination of former president John F. Kennedy over to congress in their investigation of said assassination. It is believed that these documents hold evidence of CIA involvement in the assassination, and maybe even evidence of a second shooter, which the CIA adamantly denies! Anyways, this is pretty cool too, good to see you Wendigoon!
0 likesI checked the comments just to confirm it was you.
0 likesI was like why isn't this a Wendigoon video and then I saw your face and was screaming
0 likesLegendary collaboration.
0 likes@wendigoon I thought i was going crazy, I thought it was your face but I wasn't sure
0 likesI’ll get the power tools
0 likesDude seeing your face and then hearing your lines had me fangirling like crazy i was laughing so hard. Dude I’m so glad I’m a fan of yours, so that i got to enjoy that moment.
0 likesI just went from Wendi’s newest video to this one and here he is.
0 likesWhere is your vid on this I remember it but it's gone
0 likesDid you leave any magic spoon crumbs behind they might still be alive
0 likesCommenting before this hits max comments
0 likesas soon as i saw your face i was just like "this is gonna get good", and it did
0 likesI love that my two favorite whimsical creators are collaborating, since I just watched your newest video on All Quiet.
0 likesHaha was your visions of Eldritch horrors accurate to reality? Definitely got some Lovecraftian vibes there
0 likesI didn't recognize you, so used to usual gang of the 3, kudos/ordinary etc, but you did a solid job bud!
How do you feel about that Forehead Fables "CAVE" yell now
0 likesNah, it was
0 likesIt's always nice to see 2 fan favorites collaborate!
0 likesThanks for being in the video, your content is awsome!
0 likesConsider where your soul will spend eternity, heaven or hell. You don’t want to end up in hell because you rejected the Sacrifice Jesus has made all who repent and turn to him by faith. We are all guilty of sin. We lie, steal and look with lust in our hearts. We are all Guilty before a Holy and Righteous God. GOD is not just all loving and overlook your sin. He is loving but sin He will Judge because He is Perfectly good. The Good news is God the Father sent His Son Jesus Christ who was perfectly Holy to pay the penalty for your and my sin out of Love for us. We can’t keep the Law we break most all commandments. But Jesus fulfilled ALL by his perfect thoughts, words, deeds and motives for us because we could not. Jesus loved all humans and God the Father perfectly. Turn, repent of your sin and confess Your thankfulness for what Jesus did for you. Put your faith in the perfection and the righteousness of Christ. Jesus was raised from death to give you new life; death has been defeated. Out of love and grace eternal life is promised to those who have faith. ,/...............,./,./
0 likesMust had been a preeeeeetty big cave
0 likesI can't believe they made you brought away like that Wendigoon. 😂
0 likesI love seeing other content creators posting comments.
0 likes😂lmbo!
0 likesBut did you find giants in the cave?
0 likesThis was really good casting because you're the one YouTuber I DON'T want to see die in a hole.
0 likesi’m glad you like your face plastered all over this corporate advertisement
0 likesA goat watching another goat
0 likesI'm just confused at the end..the whole time i was wondering why they didn't approach from the other side..? And then the brother just does it to get the body? Maybe it ess too dangerous when he was alive
0 likeswow so funny. jk.
0 likesThis comment was the best part of the video. lul
0 likesYay! A new video!!!
0 likesI wasn't expecting to see you in this video, but it was a nice surprise!
0 likesWendigoon and Internet Historian in the same room? What is this. A crossover episode?
1 likeYou know you finally made when you make it in a internet historian video lol
0 likesTHE. CAVE. DEMANDS. A. SACRIFICE.
0 likesSometimes dead is better
0 likesIt's dad
0 likesWENDIGOAT 🐐🐐🔥
0 likesMy two favourite Youtubers in a collab, what a dream
0 likesHey you lived right? Trust the process!
0 likeslol
0 likesInternet historian going around like Nick fury trying to gather all the people I've subbed to
0 likesI'm happy you exist. Can't wait for illuminate giant people video.
0 likesHello!
0 likesdude i literally gasped when i realized it was you
0 likesi love you wendi but this is a bad take, everyone knows editors thrive in desolate conditions. This is as good for them as it is for IH
0 likesa little impromptu spelunking never hurt anybody
0 likesI cannot believe Wendigoon got stuck in a cave and died before becoming a youtuber
0 likesGreetings father.
0 likesHoly shit
0 likesA video made 100% off of stolen content from 10 other small content creators. But yeahhhh let’s pretend this guys the first one. Cause obviously he did all this research and didn’t grab ALL of it from those videos…………..
0 likeshey man
0 likesYou’ve officially made it Wendi
0 likesIt’s your way of entering the Backrooms
0 likesI always knew you were a cave dweller
0 likesAhahahah genious
0 likesAh, okay good. I thought that was you, but also considered that I might be tripping. I needed that validation.
0 likesHey man
0 likesI knew I knew that face :D
0 likesOMG ITS DAD!
0 likes@Kevin F I was feeling uncomfortable then I saw his face and made my day.... Still uncomfortable story tho
0 likesLol I was wondering why your face was used! I love this collab though!
0 likesFather
0 likesListen to BLACKPINK's 𝙣ew song " Shut Down" with ʜɪᴘ-ʜᴏᴘ vibes
0 likesHe was trying to make it to Middle Earth to find the giants.
0 likesI was about to comment “Is that Wendigoon?!!?!?!”
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0 likesI can’t believe he let you escape. Consider yourself lucky lolnvm you died. 😢On a side note: when you make it to Internet Historian’s strange adobe animations you know you have made it.
True story I went through a cave that had a “birth canal”. I swore to never go in a cave again. It was not pleasant.
0 likesHey. First, hello from Kentucky. Second, tell ya boi it’s pronounced Loo-vull
0 likesWe appreciate the method acting
0 likesOh boy, just DO NOT bring yourself in situations where it is VERY likely that you will suffer a very unpleasant death.
0 likesI was almost not able to watch through this. What a freaking NIGHTMARE.
You guys are making bank with all these damn commercials.
0 likesLol
0 likesTrust us when we say there was no one else with the constitution to do the job your our best
0 likesYour voice matters to people sooo much now. Well done. I enjoyed every minute of this. Crazy. Your video on the cruise ship "Concordia" is funny and suspenseful like, this one.
0 likesSillier. And still very hilarious.
Well. Done.
Mabye this is still just the beginning.
dad
0 likesPog
0 likeslol I wondered if that was you just checked the info
0 likesSo sorry you had to die buddy 😢
0 likesyou know you made it when youre in an internet historian video
0 likesI can confirm this, I was the cave
0 likesDad and Historian. Just the thing to make my day
1 likeLol
0 likesWORLDS ARE COLLIDING
0 likes@CheekiBreeki NOOOOOO I WAS ABOUT TO SAY IT
0 likesI FUCKING knew that was you. I've watched all your videos, Wendigoon.
0 likesNoice
0 likesBet you cant believe you are now in an internet historian video. You are now imprtalized in The interet forever wendigoon lol
1 likeWe need a collab video to be honest hahaha
0 likesCollab between my most favourite YouTube’s? Epic
0 likeswait... who let you out?
1 likeClassic Wendigoon W
0 likesI'm sorry you had to die bro :( rip
0 likes@A • M lol 😂😂😂😂 gotti
0 likes"editors" totally not unpaid interns 🗿
0 likesPoo
0 likesWendibaby! Thought that was you. Big fan good job
0 likesSup. I've seen people talk about you on 4chan's /x/. You got a lot of fans over there. It's kind of funny that you look like Shoko Asahara.
0 likesI never realized how much you sound like Jon Benjamin, lol.
0 likesI always come to Internet Historian to feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable
0 likesWendigoon ft Internet Historian?? SIGN ME IN!
0 likesSo this is why we haven't gotten a monument mythos follow up video...
0 likesPost Tennebris Lux
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0 likes@Aussie I guess they’d be “Eat-tors” then
0 likesNo way it actually was wendigoon
0 likesUntil Dawn but instead of crazed miners. It was starved editors inside a cave
0 likesGotta have that authentic feel
0 likesLol I fully burst out laughing when your face randomly appeared
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0 likes.
0 likesLook it the man where the auto-generated subtitles work!
0 likesMy man went from covering 4chan raids to being an actual historian, that’s impressive.
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From transcribing events on the internet to transcribing events, on the internet.
1404 likes@nebvbn Let's eat Grandma.
354 likesBoth are "actual history". He has been an "actual historian".
352 likesHis quality is exactly the same. His “he will not divide us” and “pool is closed” videos are equally as re watchable as his last few. Every time IH posts a new video, it’s an event.
368 likesOlympic
9 likesAre you implying 4chan raids aren't history?
174 likesThis is also a story of a mass media viral event, so in a way it ties in
40 likes@Steve Johnson Idk why I imagined the REEEEEEEEEEEE noise when I read this.
16 likesYea but his greatest work was HWNDU
11 likesPreInternet Historian.
50 likes4chan raids fall under history because they are studied events of the past.
0 likesPools closed
6 likesNot quite a historian maybe, but a great storyteller no doubt
15 likesHey! Don't diminish his work!
5 likesFrom an internet historian, to an historian on the internet
7 likesHe's bringing real history to the internet generation. It's a long game. Bring them in with 4chan, then keep them on for the caving story.
25 likesThat is history, just modern history.
3 likesStill history
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1 like@nebvbn Punctuation is key(.)
3 likesEdit: punctuation.
4chan raids still count as actual history
0 likesHe is the Internet Historian afterall
0 likesMost of the source material was already recorded by historians.
2 likesAnimating the contents of Wikipedia pages doesn’t make you a historian.
8 likescharacter development, a true anime protagonist
0 likes@Psychic Afro Dancer Let's eat out Grandma?
0 likes@From The Backseat I've looked at every wikipedia article relating to the cave, the victim and the people who tried to rescue him. None go into as much detail as this guy did. So he had to scower lots and lots of sources to make a video this detailed. Don't comment what you don't know about.
6 likes@iron sure, but that still doesn’t make them a historian. They are reporting information that was already compiled by historians. It’s not to diminish what they did, it just doesn’t make them a historian.
2 likes@nebvbn 1000 like
1 likeI mean he kind of too his script from another article without crediting it.
2 likes@Psychic Afro Dancer Punctuation and proper grammar are very important. Remember, the penis mightier than the sword
0 likesThis isn't good history, much of this is objectively wrong.
1 likeNeed more Internet history tho
0 likesDas rite!
0 likesI kinda prefer the humorous documentaries on internet trolling more. This is professional and well made but I just liked the humor more.
0 likes4chan raids are history and you should melonfarming 'spect um.
1 like@Jonatan Westholm analog historian
0 likesa downgrade of sort, I think
1 likeLeTuCe eAt GrAnD, Ma
0 likes"My man". Why do you talk like an absolute bell end?
0 likesI absolutely loved The Ball Pit video!
0 likesDepends on your definition of historian.
0 likesI do like this though!
They should have just placed a torch then all the falling gravel would break
0 likesGeorgia is full of caverns and underground tunnels !
0 likesTwo things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
479 likesThe other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS!
Now you know a bit more why people turned back
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It makes much more sense now why so many people chickened out. It also makes you appreciate more the courage Floyd's brother, the Journalist and the Fireman had.
57 likesGod damn.
7 likesthe 2 guys i respect the most are the random journalist that just went in no hesitation and the childhood friend moving 500kg of gravel in a single session
25 likesi don't give a shit that i can't change direction at the drop
7 likesi wouldn't even go into the aqueeze in the first place.
There's actual drawings of what the inside cave looked like and how the pathway to Collins was. I don't know how Collins thought he would have made that thing usable for tourism.
0 likes@Fabi Most people wouldn't, and it's not even being a chicken, it's a basic survival instinct. But you know how there are all sorts of weird people. These people, like Floyd, just lack any sense of survival.
1 likeI feel so sorry for Floyd, the man suffered almost as much in death as he did in life.
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The good news is that you don’t actually suffer when you’re dead. Floyd felt nothing, thought nothing, experienced nothing after dying. Thankfully. Because his corpse went through a hell of a time.
151 likesI don’t think he suffered at all considering, yknow, he’s dead. But, the greed of the capitalists is unmatched and this once again proves that they will quite literally steal a coin off a dead man’s eye
1 likeGreat comment. I like the way you worded it
1 likefuck man, the way it was going i thought he was gonna get saved, this makes me depressed
36 likes@Doug Eddy Your soul still lives, silly, and it longs for dignity in rest. Lemme guess, you're gonna wax philosophical about atheism like some redditor.
0 likesMe too
1 like@T S What’s a soul?
1 like@Haha Trumpets it is sad, but think on this - the debate that surrounded this attempt sparked later innovation and more systematic approaches to subterranean rescue. I have no doubt that his death led to many more people being saved, and also it is a testimony to spirit, determination and compassion that humans are capable of. Though also a reminder of the darker side of human motivations...
25 likesE
0 likesGeorge Floyd
2 likes@Doug Eddy I think he meant he suffered a slow painful death. This is definitely one of the worst ways one could go.
1 like@GenoCyber No, they are referring to the many terrible things done to Floyd’s body after his death. Nobody’s contending that the way in which Floyd died isn’t beyond horrific.
5 likes@Doug Eddy oh yeah you’re right forgot about that last part, they surely disrespected his body. Guess it was his family that suffered that part
0 likes@Haha Trumpets Same
0 likes@Doug Eddy Sounds as if you have personal experience of death. Tell us more please.
0 likes@Haha Trumpets Imagine when that lamp went out... Imagine before that too, after the cave collapsed and he was all alone again, with that lamp as only company and warmth, only for it to go out and leave him all alone again in pitch darkness... He had surely gained much hope after seeing more and more people helping to get him out only for it to all go away like that.
0 likes@ingainloggningsnamn Nobody has personal experience of death. Death is the permanent cessation of personal experience.
0 likesThe contrast between the hilarious animation and voice acting versus the incredibly intense story was amazing. One of the best YT documentaries I've ever seen.
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it was a great comedy
3 likesI absolutely love that this covers a “viral” story from the old days. We really haven’t changed much as a society.
25 likesYea these are some YouTubers faces? Haha so funnyyyyy
1 likeC:
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0 likesOne of the best YT videos ever made imo
1 likeE
0 likesthis story perfectly demonstrates how our nature as social creatures is both our biggest strengh and weakness
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Psychopaths have an evolutionary advantage.
1 likeE
3 likescuriosity is one of mans biggest weaknesses no doubt
9 likesUnfortunately the cons defeat the pros
1 like@Hairless Chimp it’s both a weakness and a strength. High risk high reward, basically.
5 likes@Q҉u҉i҉l҉i҉b҉e҉t҉ Rubbish. We conquered the world with our pros. Mother Nature would have relegated us to the mass grave of extinction if we had more cons than pros.
0 likesThe way that Floyd’s body was treated after his death is possibly the most appalling, disgusting and disrespectful things I have ever seen happen to an individual in my life.
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Gotta love capitalism
7 likesThe sentence "the cave refuses to let him go" always gives me chills. It's as if the cave is alive, and has a will on its own. On every turn, the cave is just refusing to let him go. Floyd tried to profit off of it, and now it has screwed him right back.
469 likesProbably the closest thing to a real Eldritch abomination as it can be.
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Yeah, I really love environmental storytelling. I'm trying to gradually work it into my own videos, so far I've mostly tried using the weather and odd lighting. It's kind of unusual in modern Western literature/film and that makes it feel unfamiliar and disconcerting at times. Here, the room Floyd was trying to get to looks vaguely like a mouth full of teeth. The fact that IH (and editors) showed it multiple times demonstrates they were aware of how viscerally hostile it looks. I think a lazier channel would have ignored it.
21 likesSimilar to how here in the Great Lakes we talk about the lakes like there mystical creatures
7 likes“She’ll smile at yo Ulithi her eyes a deep then bury you broken and rusted”
“The lake it said never gives up her dead when the sky’s of November turn bloody”
And so on
New scp
0 likesGerald, Homer, and Miller really were the realest here. Absolute Kings trying to get their friend and brother out. And Miller didn't even know the guy but he put his life on the line.
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miller and gerald are the realest there is and the realest there will ever be
4 likes41:00 holy shit thats one of the scariest moments I've seen in a video. For both sides. On one hand, Floyd didn't want to be alone in the dark. He just wanted to have someone with him. On the other, that guy only came to help and Floyd tried to get him to stay to his probably doom just so he wouldn't be lonely.
705 likesWhat a horrifying situation.
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This could be me
17 likesBut I feel like in this moment, floyd knew his final hours are coming up.
That odds are he has accepted the fact that this cave in will just be the nail in the coffin, he not only didn't want to be left alone, but I can assume he also wanted to send any parting words to his family.
But I dunno, it's just a thought
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0 likesWhat broke me entirely after this moment (and I was already horrified at this part) was the stuff right after where they could have raised his head so it wasn’t sitting in the cold water, or the feeding tube or the radio or the phone line. All things that may have saved his life in the long term.
15 likesyes
1 like@fatalynn7 Makes me think that if everyone just stayed away and a few people who knew what to do went into the cave, he would have lived. Miller alone almost freed Floyd from that rock just by himself according to this video. If there weren’t hundreds of people ruining the integrity of the cave, melting snow around the opening, and being a distraction; one strong, capable, focused team may have been able to save him before the cave-in. Everybody wanted to be a part of the excitement, and didn’t stop for a second to realize their own inability or the very real consequences of their actions.
13 likes@Some One well yes. Gerald already said it, that so many people near the cave, lighting fires when most of the cave was held up by ICE, it was gonna melt it and cause a collapse.
0 likesNo one listened. Till it was too late.
They probably would have been able to save him if they went away at least 100 meters.
But nope. Let's all round up and light fires NEXT TO THE CAVE.
Bloody morons.
Of course, it's very possible that it wasn't just them. It was the lightbulbs in the cave as well. While it did light up the cave unfortunately it also heated it up.
The fact that it protected Floyd from freezing and dying from exposure says it all.
Hell, Floyd himself apparently dies moments after the lightbulb goes out.
From exposure.
This is straight up a Greek tragedy. Floyd's will and fate was to make that cave a popular tourist attraction, and, in the end, it was.
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Wow I never thought of it that way. The irony is so obvious now that you mentioned it.
359 likesmonkeys paw wish moment
233 likesyes
14 likesWAIT WAIT NO WHYYYY shit I haven't finished watching yet now I'm scared, this is horrifying
15 likes@Zoe Smith
80 likesBest not to read comments before watching videos that could be impacted by "spoilers".
Also Henry St. George Tucker Carmichael (Superintendent of Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company) was an Anglo Saxon which was not depicted accurately by Mr "Internet Historian". He took a few liberties in his re-telling of this harrowing story.
5 likesplot twist: it happened just as Floyd planned and his death was self planned
2 likesAn excruciatingly tragic monkey's paw. I don't think someone could come up with a fiction as agonising as this reality
10 likes@Mr Al No shit my dude I was totally believing a Black dude had social opportunities for becoming a Superintend in the 20s.
23 likes@elcucaracho
8 likesIndeed, many segments of society had limited opportunities for advancement which is morally wrong. My issue is that people are increasingly representing history incorrectly for the purpose of social engineering. Important to accurately portray historical events, both good and bad.
@Mr Al Yeah I’m kinda morbidly curious with the results of a generation of people being imprinted very early on with the image of Achilles being Black when he’s explicitly a blonde in the Iliad.
6 likes@elcucaracho Where is Achilles being shown as black? He's Greek. Greek people back then were dark-skinned. Usually due to... ya know, ancient peoples being outside a lot. It's a tan. Therefore you can be extremely tan but still have blond hair.
1 likeIt's equally inaccurate to say he was a pasty white guy.
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0 likes@eat hot chip and lie Theres a series where he is played by a black actor, just search it up. Also I never said he was a pasty white dude, don’t put words in my mouth. I simply said he’s a blonde on the Iliad, and it’s pretty clear for someone who is not having a racial agenda that if he ever existed he would be closer to a olive skinned/tanned Swede rather than a subsaharan African or a Semite. And btw it’s pretty much established that the Mediterranean elite was in its majority distinct racially from the peasant masses. Mediterranean elite were at least initially heavily descended from the Indo-European patriarchal horse rider populations that subjugated the swarthy matriarchal native Europeans.
0 likesOh wow ...
1 likeMore like in the end, HE was.
0 likes@Zoe Smith why would you read comments before watching lmao
0 likesSo this is how tales are made, i feel like i'm in 2000bc
1 likegreek tragedy?? this was more like the quintessential american comedy
3 likesInternet Historian: describes the most claustrophobic, horrifying situation I could possibly imagine myself being put in, told in excruciating detail
207 likes5 minutes later
IH: Tank you for being a friend.
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Nutty Putty cave was pretty bad too. It wasnt nearly as long as this however.
1 likeI never knew about the gravel in Sand Cave. I had thought he was just trapped by the rock wedged agasint his feet.
I’m part of the Estes family, originally from the Cave City area, and this is an amazing write-up of this story! My grandfather met Floyd Collins when he was young, and we still hold land with caves on it in the area.
34 likesI wish I had found this video sooner, but thank you for making this! ❤
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the fact that you are from one of the familys mentioned in this video is a crazy coincidence but the fact that its more of a side character that is only mentioned shortly makes it believable
3 likesThat's awesome dude
1 likeWas this way darker than Internet Historian's usual stories? Absolutely. Did it give me an entirely new spectrum of hopelessness and utter horror? Like you wouldn't believe. Was this one of the most fascinating gritty real life stories I've ever heard? Without a goddamn doubt.
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While not involving death, the story of balloon boy (told in one of the earlier IH videos) is also incredibly grim and infuriating.
2 likesHotel? Trivago.
7 likesIs asking yourself a question and then answering the same question cringe inducing? Absolutely yes.
3 likes@Василий Гашечкин 🗿someone can’t accept criticism
2 likes@It's Me Who is criticizing what?
3 likesThat dream sequence was certainly pretty Lovecraftian
0 likesI mean it's inside a cave of course it's gonna be dark.
0 likesThis is better than 99% of Hollywood movies made in the last 5 years. This is a cinematic masterpiece.
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Factual
6 likesFr fr
0 likesThe cruel irony here is that he wanted to turn the cave into a tourist attraction, but instead HE became the tourist attraction
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Monkey's paw type stuff
874 likes@The Sonic Bros That is a really awesome comparison
247 likesThe cave turned him into a tourist attraction
596 likesThe cave is Russia.
86 likesAnd effectively he turned the cave to a tourist attraction. Draw.
143 likesyeah bit of a greek tragedy in that aspect, innit
127 likeshe got greedy, he shouldve hired a miner and make the entrance secure
36 likesMaybe the real tourist attraction was the friends we made along the way.
102 likes@The Incredible Blobfisch You son of a bitch, you beat me to it.
0 likes@The Sonic Bros Floyd: "I wish the cave would be popular and gather a great crowd" the finger curled the stone moved and held his leg.
115 likesThat story was a Twilight Zone episode.
25 likesThere's probably a deeper meaning behind all of this. Something about greed, ambition, or simply a dangerous stubborness. But honestly it's just so tragic
58 likes@Toronto Tonto he was struggling financially to begin with, he wasn't able to
73 likes@Toronto Tonto he couldn't afford it lol nice victim blaming
51 likes@Nirvanic lets just call it even
7 likesWonder whatever happened to the alien like world beneath sand cave.
6 likes@Mad Adder the monkey's paw is a classic horror story by W.W. Jacobs. The closest to it in the twilight zone was "the man in the bottle" which is about a genie that grants wishes with increasingly complex downsides.
38 likesFirst it fixes a broken cabinet
Next they wish for money but the IRS take the majority in tax leaving them as broke as before
Then they wish to be a beloved leader, who can't be voted out of office, of a major country- they become Hitler and Eva Braun in the bunker at the end of WWII.
The genie explains earlier in the episode that they offer 4 wishes now because 3 leaves people disappointed but too many let's people run wild so they use the last wish to go back to how things were before, but the genie leaves the cabinet intact... Which they then accidentally break.
Twilight Zone shit
8 likes@Toronto Tonto brother he is the miner
9 likes@Nirvanic He turned the outside of the cave into a tourist attraction
0 likes@Bog Baggins no both out and in
0 likes@Nirvanic Some parts of the inside, but not the part he was trying to dig out. Regardless, it is weird to think that he died trying to dig it, and nobody ever got to it.
4 likes@Bog Baggins many did come out and in. Watch the video.
1 like@Nirvanic I'm talking about the section on the other side of the squeeze
5 likes@Bog Baggins oh ok
0 likesMission successful?
1 like@username deadmeme brother ❤️😟
0 likes@turtlemaster 5000 love you 😍
0 likesWhoaaa
0 likes@turtlemaster 5000 ll
0 likes@Jenn strugglinh finically but had the time to dig a whole 12 hours a day for 12 months?
0 likes@Edzo The Don In 1925 rural Kentucky, yeah. Remember, farming is all but useless in the area and every local family is well-versed in caving and moving rock, so mining was likely a saturated job market. Prohibition was also in full swing, which meant moonshining would be met with extra prejudice from both the law and competitors, so distillation was largely out of the question.
16 likesAt that point, why wouldn't digging holes be any worse than choking on coal dust or getting shot at over whiskey?
You either die a hero or live long enough to become a tourist attraction
0 likesWell how about that
0 likes@A. A He is a victim but nobody should be crawling down 50 feet of cave. Practically suicide at that point
0 likes@Toronto Tonto Well he wanted to turn the cave into a tourist attraction precisely to gain money, I don't think he had all it would take to hire a complete mining team and pay for all the equipment to make a proper entrance.
0 likesI'll make this cave a tourist attraction or die trying!
0 likesPoor guy literally died chasing the American dream.
0 likesOne of many instances of, Be careful what you wish for…..🤷🏻♂️💯😏😒
2 likesCopied
0 likesyou can say: He is DIED TRYING
0 likes@HT
1 likegreek tragedy? this was the quintessential american comedy
@Toronto Tonto are you saying he deserved to die? because it sounds like you are saying he deserved to die
1 like@Jason Voorhees seems more greek tragedy to me
1 like@HT
1 liketragedy don't play out like a keystone cops routine. i was expecting someone to slip on a banana peel at some point. 😝💀
@Jason Voorhees a man lost his life and his family tried for years to get a proper burial.
1 like@HT
1 likeso? you left out the details. those are what make this story so hilarious.
@Jason Voorhees I don't see what's humorous about a man slowly dying in agony alone
1 likeI think the most tragic part of it all is that, you hear the details of what methods they tried and you think "I could've done that better" which is the exact problem that caused so many to show up and hinder the rescue in the first place
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Yeah, like if it weren't for all the people, the cave probably wouldn't have collapsed/
16 likesNever heard of this tragedy but damn the chills I got towards the end. Just the embalming and disrespect towards his body. And then how long it took to give him a proper burial. Incredibly sad but props to everyone who tried to rescue him
380 likesGod I don't think I've been affected by a story this much in a while. The constant rise and fall of hope. The desperation. The mere premise, brrrrrr! It shakes me to my core! I legitimately wanna cry for Floyd and I'm not all the way through yet but this makes me feel SO ANXIOUS!
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I knew the outcome already but I still found myself hoping for him to make it.
4 likesI was shocked as it was slowly explained to me how Floyd was trying to get another man to die with him. Obviously so much of this story is shocking, but that part... I felt like I finally understood the level of torture he was suffering.
169 likesThe part where he lied about needing water and intended to trap that other guy down there just to avoid being alone was so fucking dark, and completely understandable
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Trap might be a too strong of a word. Desperate for company, sure, just a little more time not being left alone....
937 likesis trapping a fellow man down a collapsing cavern gay?
1471 likesFelt more human than ever
507 likesI think its more likely the guy was on tour and over exaggerated what actually happened.
152 likesHe didn't trap him lmao. He physically couldn't do that.
43 likes@Thicc Thicc Thicc Thats not what i was saying. I was saying that the guy checking the integrity of the cave probably lied about floyd attempting to trick him to trap him.
0 likes@Thicc Thicc Thicc he knew the cave was about to collapse and wanted him to stay. He didn't want to be alone. The cave was what was going to trap him.
612 likesI felt bad for the worker. Having that on your conscience probably fucked with him for life in some way.
743 likes@Linas Kvedaras Nah, it's the right word, dude was being tricked into staying.
77 likes“A drowning man will drag down another.”
437 likesMaybe he knew someone else would surely keep him alive for longer
20 likesIt’s even more crazy when that guy was probably one of the last people to see Floyd alive
229 likesHonestly if that guy had stayed, floyd may have lived.
36 likesReminded me of matt damon's character from the Interstellar.
18 likes@Thicc Thicc Thicc he lied about needing water so he would stay down there when the rocks fall. how is that not trying to trap him?
105 likes@zshan got that vibe too
1 likeHe was a drowning man, and he was dragging someone else down with him.
28 likesMaybe would have lived too with the guy taking care of him lol - nah they would have probably ran out of air too fast with the extra pair of lungs
43 likes@strangebrew420 I would like to mention that none of us have any idea what the situation was actually like. According to IH, floyd said he was thirsty, but then would not drink the coffee offered. IH gives what is likely Kacey's take on the situation, but who knows what is actually going through the mind of a man whos been trapped in the cold for 114 hours at this point. I cant imagine he has the mental capacity to realize what it is he's doing when asking Kacey to stay.
205 likes@zshan yooo so true (and also gay)
2 likes@CactapusCotton so you're saying he was crazy... and gay?
8 likes@CactapusCotton Under the conditions he was in, it makes sense he wouldn't have wanted coffee despite his thirst. It has laxative effects and can mess with your digestion. Couple that with inconsistent shifts between days-long fasts and occasional food, while being prone over solid rock for days, and coffee would've just made him feel 100 more miserable.
98 likes@Publius Ventidius Bassus I wonder if them giving him so much coffee dehydrated him faster as well. I know we can't go long without water, but laying completely still, we may need less.
60 likes@Nauda back in those times access to clean water wasn’t as abundant, so they mostly drank alcohol and coffee
71 likes@strangebrew420 ohhh yeah thank makes sense, ty for reminding me
16 likesEnglish “fey,” how a man behaves when his mind is desperately trying to evade thinking about his impending, inevitable doom. Pippin uses it to describe Denethor in The Two Towers. And yeah, it is every bit as creepy as it sounds.
44 likesWas he trying to "trick" someone else into being buried with him? Probably not. He was desperate, at least a little delirious, and about to be utterly alone. He wanted company and didn't care too much how at that point. I'm sure he wasn't thinking straight.
the guy was seeing his own death for days at that point and all that in the dark, unable to move, while pissing and shitting himself.
89 likeshe was not in his right mind, neither should be judged as such
@khhnator Agreed. I would have started going insane after just 5 minutes. Never mind the 100+ hours he'd endured by that time.
22 likesHe was scared, and didn't want to be alone. He didn't want the other man hurt, but he really didn't want to be isolated again.
17 likes@Attigator One of? He was THE last one.
10 likesI wouldn't say it's understandable. I'd say it's monstrous. BUT, he was also addled by exposure, exhaustion, and dehydration. So I guess I understand?
11 likesCan you write the exact time of this moment?
0 likes@Swordless Ninja How do you figure that?
1 likeHow the fuck is that understandable? That shit is demonic
0 likes@Jasiek Zacharski 41:04 The last one to see Floyd
2 likesI took it more as, he knew they would just dig out the new rubble, but didn't want to be alone while waiting anymore.
1 like@Linas Kvedaras No, trap is accurate.
1 likeThat was the darkest part of this video tbh.
2 likes@Linas Kvedaras The narration said Floyd knew the cave was collapsing. If that's actually true, then yes, his desperate attempt to secure company was a trap
0 likes@TheEtherny If i was the trapped rescuer, i'd be beyond resentful if I actually got stuck with him
5 likes@khhnator Bodily functions are a thing stories like this always tend to skip over, despite the fact that it's another horrible part of being trapped. Only Candace Newmaker's story describes it, and that's why it is one of the most disturbing tales I've ever read. Lying in your own excretions makes the whole experience even more stressful, uncomfortable and harder to endure.
15 likes@Amelia Bee You have no heart to say something like that, and have obviously never experienced anything even comparable. That man is a saint. His mistake was obsessing over profit, and that's it. After the first collapse all is forgiven.
2 likes@Publius Ventidius Bassus I mean he didn’t exactly have the ability to go to the bathroom I’m sure he didn’t feel like shitting himself for the 7th time.
0 likesThat never even happened. some loser coward called casey made that story up for old timey eclout
1 like@Forna Lotta
1 likewhy are you taking caseys word for it? lmao
@Lucas
1 likeyou know casey just made that story up right?
@strangebrew420
1 likehow do you know he lied? that whole incident most likely never happend. you are as bad as the people gossiping outside the cave lmao
I think it's worth noting tho that this part was taken from notes of that guy, a scared to death worker that genuinely did not want to be there any second longer. It should be taken with grain of salt.
2 likes@Mix-n -Match
1 likecasey should be renamed caren in this story. a coward and a liar who tried to make it all about himself
weirdly enough they both might have survived if he had trapped the other guy. They may have shared body heat enough to fend off exposure until the military dug through, though thirst and starvation would have been a concern.
0 likes@strangebrew420 Which oddly enough, gave people the impression that things like this were actually healthy. We know now that alcohol from a health standpoint, isn't exactly good for you. However, people then just knew that it extended life so to speak. The actual reason was, that it's the brewing process of things even such as beer, that kills the microorganisms in water that make people sick.
1 likeWell then I’m glad he perished, goes to show he was a selfish person to the core.
0 likes@CactapusCotton who is IH?
0 likes@khhnator agree
0 likes@Predalienguy1 That’s definitely a big possibility.
0 likes@Predalienguy1 OR he felt guilty for leaving him there. Either way, people certainly do that.
0 likesFloyd: I'm going to make a fortune with this cave!
47 likesThe Cave: Sorry , mate. The best I can do is pay you in exposure.
It's very sad story and it actually left me with hard feelings for a couple days after watching. Can't even imagine how horrible this death was.
289 likesHowever, I'm also thinking about "what would you expect?". You know, it's not like it was misfortune or uncontrollable events that lead to this - going inside a 9 inch hole covered with razor sharp crystals to jump into another even smaller hole covered with razor sharp crystal is basically a suicide. Like, he shouldn't have returned even the first time he decided to go there. And yet he continued to piss off his luck each day. And it also wasn't one of those situations where the person just didn't know how dangerous something is, he knew everything.
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it's the 1920's, the common folk didn't have much going on upstairs if you know what I mean. Digging out a cave ass first without reinforcing or widening any tunnels or access points, you could only expect it to end this way
29 likes@Daniel Smith Very much this. I still don't understand why he didn't start working in The Turnaround Room first, then forwards, instead of squeezing through to the other side like that and then digging. But apparently he was quite a spelunking fanatic.
23 likes@Daniel Smith I disagree. I think “common folk” are the same in 1920s as they are now. Whether how stupid or smart you think they are. I have friends who would do this today. I sure as hell wouldn’t. I would’ve been one of the turnarounders. I respectfully disagree on that though, to just say common people back then didn’t have much going on upstairs!
39 likes@Brennan K less than 20% of all eligible people attended highschool in the 1920’s. Things have changed
6 likes@Daniel Smith I didn’t realize that, that’s a good point. But also I think a 1st grader would know that it’s not smart to go into a cave like that, or any person who dropped out before high school would too.
11 likes@Daniel Smith we aren't really much smarter than humans back then.
17 likes@Relinquish well I’m not digging out a cave ass first
0 likes@Dan and Tab It's all speculation on my part but i'm guessing he wanted to keep the secret around what he was doing. The people at Cave city obviously knew about Sand Cave but nothing about what it was like past the squeeze and further to the deep end.
5 likesLike a moth being drawn to the light. Saw an opportunity to make money and give a better future for his family then took it. He was young and dumb, I'd believe it. The first few times he was probably extremely wary and cautious, but gradually became used to it and let his guard down. Things like this don't happen quickly, it occurs over time. There's a common fable about boiling a frog in hot water. If you suddenly place the frog inside, the frog will obviously jump out of the boiling water. But if you first put the frog in the room temperature water, and slowly start to increase the heat, it won't jump out and will slowly cook to death.
15 likesTo you or me this obviously seems dangerous and as if he was trying to die, but he was going down here for weeks and was perfectly fine. He clearly knew his away around the cave if he could navigate it purely by touch. In retrospect, its easy to say how something was obvious and how its clearly not safe, or how it was stupid for the people squatting outside and making campfire which loosened the cave ceiling; just like the people after Floyd was caved in by the rubble saying "why didn't we put in a radio?" or "why didn't we put down a tarp so he wouldn't freeze in the water?".
But yes. It's very unfortunate and I just can't imagine how it must've been like for him, for his brother, or any of his other loved ones. The part that was most heartbreaking for me was how he describes that at first he was afraid and didn't know if he would get out, but after having so many people help him he had courage and believed that he would get out of the cave with both of his legs. It seems like such a horribly perfect case of dramatic irony, it doesn't even feel real. Like a play or a movie.
For his brother or his friends, at first it must've seen incredible seeing Floyd becoming well-known and having the support and help from everyone around the entire country. But him slowly becoming dehumanized, a spectacle, a mere form of entertainment being capitalized on as he gained popularity and notoriety must've been incredibly disorienting. I mean, after an experience like that, how could you possibly not hate people?
And as the saying go, history repeats itself. People and society often like to emphasize the differences in us; sex, race, nationality, economic class, generations. But it is astounding how much more we are alike than we are different. Even today you see the same phenomena of how as someone becomes well-known they are subsequently dehumanized and become a spectacle in celebrity culture. Paparazzi having no qualms about invading the privacy of celebrities, strangers on the internet pointing out every little flaw or imperfection. In fact, that reminds me of a case of a Japanese professional wrestler named Hana Kimura. She was on a "reality" TV show, and she gets angry for one of the members on the show for accidentally damaging her wrestling costume, which results in her slapping him.
This resulted in absolute OUTRAGE online by fans. Tons of insults and death threats were directed to her. It was an absolute witch hunt because on the internet, anyone can say anything they wanted anonymously.This resulted in her killing herself. What did the legal system do about it? 2 men were charged with cyberbullying and had to pay a 66 dollar fine. 66 dollars.
Because of this incident, Japan has passed a bill making online insults punishable by jail time up to a year and a fine of up to approximately 2,224 dollars.
@Daniel Smith
2 likesOf course people were generally less educated back then, but not having a good (or even halfway-decent) education doesn't mean someone is stupid. It just means they may not be able to use their existing intelligence to its fullest potential.
You don't need a good education to realize what Floyd was doing was incredibly dangerous. But his experience probably made him overconfident, coupled with the fact that he had done this exact thing for a while without incidents.
Read the actual story. This video misrepresents and downright lies about some of the info.
0 likes@Sheeshism The notes at the beginning specify that this video is satire and that some information has been censored for the purposes of privacy
2 likes@Daniel Smith The time period has little to do with how it could have gone better or why it went the way it did. Even in 2009, with all the technology we've developed since the 1920s, the Nutty Putty Cave Incident still managed to happen. Sometimes people just can't be saved despite all the efforts; it has nothing to do with the intelligence of the people during the time it happened. They did the best with what they knew and what they had at the time.
1 like@MysticMetaKnight “they” did not do the best they could have done. They hosted a freaking carnival above the cave creating an inevitable collapse.
3 likes@MysticMetaKnight First, the notes are made to look like simple copyright disclaimers, not warnings about the lack of journalistic integrity. Second, there is a difference between satire and demonizing a dead man's father unecisarilly and literally lying about the place that Floyd was buried, which was the only reason he went in the cave.
0 likes@Brennan K people in the past didn't had all the knowledge we have today but they weren't stupid as some imply
1 like@Agente Polaris also, this dude was an experienced caver and knew how to go in and out of a cave. His only mistake was breaking his lamp. Doesnt make him dumb, just an unfortunate accident. It’s no different from experienced climbers who die on Mount Everest.
3 likesFor those who don't know, this incident also proved as inspiration for the film "Ace In the Hole" (1951), which recounts the story (until after Floy's death) in a really captivating and exciting way. Definitely check it out, one of my favorite films of all time.
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Thank you for the recommendation!
3 likesWas looking for this comment.
3 likesWe need more people like Homer, Miller, and Gerald. Truly amazing selfless individuals! They made this very dim and tragic story somewhat bright.
6 likesThis story both demonstrates humanity's best, and humanity's absolute worst. That part where two random losers just lied that he was fine, is so disgusting.
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@UCvR5Yae_JDifbSoWJIZ6nSw And it gets amplified because the algorithm likes engagement.
24 likesAnd nothing engages more than controversy
The fact that they paid money to lie.
143 likesGets even worse considering that I can totally see all that happening nowadays
104 likes@Tyler Maendel Bro if it happened today half the crowd would be there just screaming for the national hard to kill Floyd
0 likesThat confused me because… what did they gain from doing that? 🥴
67 likesThe hacker known as 4chan struck again
26 likes@nikki terry They likely thought it was a hoax and wanted to hurt the hoax. if they were right, they'd probably be mentioned as daring do-gooders now. it's the same vigilante shit with the same problems.
0 likesThey told his mother he was coming.
60 likesEven in a video like this I wasn't expecting something that sick.
the duality of man
7 likesTime truly is a flat circle with how humanity is.
14 likes@Tom M his mother had died tho… so who did the letter even go to? It’s just weird because they didn’t benefit from that whatsoever
10 likesThey gained the same thing that all people like them gain: the smug feeling that they have done something to manipulate (or derail) a big event.
37 likesIt's ultimately always about power and control, about having a dark little secret that makes them feel special. Same thing that's happening today in the states.
@nikki terry they went down there, so they'd be seen as big pussies if they came back out and said, "uhh... yeah, no, I got scared and left him down there without giving him any food or drink."
0 likesjust people covering their own asses, as they tend to.
@Peter Clarke Shows how big it grew from one news paper's money involved to the state government money involved and how it could make them look bad. How another paper just said ok to anything and everything they hear without checking. To everybody gotta make sure it's real to save face.
0 likesImagine if they were fooled by a farce they would have to keep it up or admit they were tricked. Easy to see them never admitting that. Even worse the common "I give to charity" becomes "the check is in the mail" and it never gets there. That always seems to happen then or now. One guy getting his monkey paw wish to make the cave famous, it only cost him his life and to become part of the attraction, part of the cave for a generation.
@Peter Clarke Humanities always been the same back then right?
0 likesits that now were exposed and much easier to stories on internet and what not..
@Rachard People are easily manipulated. We like to believe in things that make sense to our prejudices, and don't like being challenged.
7 likesAnd yes, the internet and social media have been very successfully weaponised in a way that was completely predicted, but almost impossible to stop.
@Peter Clarke It's not ultimately always about that, in fact a lot of these lunatics ascribe to the same "dark secret" line of thinking you're describing and feel that's enough justification to take things into their own hands even if it meant being dishonest. It's not unlikely they actually believed it's a hoax and that they're doing the world a favor by being pieces of shit
0 likesHumans can be utterly foolish sometimes. Albeit humans are somewhat adorable
1 like@nikki terry It comes from a sense of self-righteousness that feeds into their narcissistic beliefs where they know the truth and everyone else is wrong, evil, or misled. They believed in the fringe conspiracies, hoax that was this man trapped in a cave was a hoax. So they tried to spread a message to go against the popular narrative in all the papers: that this man really was stuck down there. How could he be stuck for so long and not have been rescued yet? It makes no sense! It's all a conspiracy for x reason.
0 likesParallels well with the goings on of today no?
@nikki terry Probably jealous at all the tourists the story got.
0 likesthere's always a balance
0 likesYou are 100% correct. It happens in murder cases all the time.
0 likesPeople call in and confess to crimes they have nothing to do with.
I guess it makes them feel special or important.
Cheers from Canada
@nikki terry They wanted to be right so badly they made fake evidence to “be right” about it being a hoax, it’s pathetic.
0 likes@Steve Harvey Nothing is more sad than a person who is incapable of distinguishing between feeling special and important, or actually deserving to feel special and important
0 likesIt was far more than just 2 losers, but it was mostly teenagers that had done this. Though that wasn't as bad as Clyde Hester who told everyone Floyd had died around this same time.
1 likeIve watched every IH video at least 4 times, but this may be the most difficult to rewatch for me. Floyd's story is just so sad, he just wanted to have something of his own and suffered on life and after death
34 likesI can’t put in to words how great this video is. Not only emotional but it was also high quality.
3 likesIt's testament to internet historians storytelling abilities that, even though I knew what was going to happen to floyd the whole time, I was still genuinely invested in the rescue and saddened by his death and how the public treated his body
19 likesMy stomach dropped during that initial zoom out from Floyd's position to the cave entrance. It was a lot farther, a lot *deeper*, than I had hoped it would be. There is something terrifying about that on a primordial level.
52 likesI've heard this story before, and the thing that gets me is just how Homer didn't hesitate to help his brother. He crawled into a cave tunnel, spent hours trying to bury him out with his hands, fed him, chastised everyone who wouldn't help, pulled the rope outta 5 mens' hands, and did his best to get Floyd outta that cave whether alive or dead- like that is some real family. Mad Respect for Homer.
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And Gerald too- both absolute Gs
0 likesHigh key
116 likesHomer’s a real one
270 likesNah, William is more of a G, He was a complete stranger and yet worked the hardest.
278 likesOK and when wanted to shit they did what?
5 likesE
1 like@Bernardo Heusi What do you expect? Floyd obviously released on himself continuously, they would have left that out of the story. His pants were most certainly soaked with urine and fecal matter after being trapped down there for that long. What I am amazed about is how that guy managed to breathe. He was being crushed by rubble which would have made breathing itself difficult, but he was enclosed deep in an air deprived shaft for that long whilst the limited air he would have had access to contained large amounts of dust that would have cut through his lungs making breathing even more painful than before.
0 likes@Mao Zedong Lol you make a fair point.
31 likesIt´s still disturbing to think how he shit lol
@Bernardo Heusi As I said, he would have released on himself. It isn't like he could do anything about it with the position he was in. ALL of these stories conveniently leave those kinds of things out because they are considered embarrassing and shameful to discuss. The real question is how did he masturbate? Think about it. My guess is that he vigorously dry-humped the rubble whilst imagining taking a gander beneath his hot neighbor's frock. That's what I would do anyway.
0 likesHomer is good, be like Homer!
18 likesI was going to say the exact same 👏👏👏
2 likesHomer was a legend 💞
meanwhile his dad used him for donations then sold his corpse to be an exhibit lol.
0 likesWhat, and you wouldn't help your own brother?
9 likesDoh'
1 likeHomer is the best brother anyone can ask for
11 likesAnd can we get a shoutout to Miller? He went well above and beyond the call of duty. He could have gotten his interview and booked. But he came closer to rescuing Floyd than anyone else, not to mention the support he gathered from the public that made the final (unfortunately too late) rescue attempt even possible. Plus, he even turned down an offer to sell out. Dude is a journalism legend.
79 likesWhen you love someone you would do what you could to save them.
9 likes@Why are Jews so ugly?🤔 if theyre slow enough to go 60 feet deep in a cave, during a time when the only sufficient lighting is candles and fragile lanterns? not a fuckin Chance. check the mortality rates back then
0 likes@Why are Jews so ugly?🤔 In that situation? I wouldn't even blame my own brother for abandoning me. Heck, if he even made it down there, I'd just ask him to shoot me and end it.
0 likesEveryone wants a Homer in their lives
6 likes@imaloony8 Miller is what every journalist should strive to be. He didn't just cover the story, he really tried to help. The fact that he refused what was essentially 1 million dollars for the story speaks VOLUMES about him.
49 likes@Bernardo Heusi Odds are he was probably pretty backed up having as little food and water as he likely did.
3 likes@Bernardo Heusi I don't know, I just imagine he had to shit his pants.
0 likesHomer was actually Chris Redfield's dad
0 likesProbably what homer was used to.
1 like“Oh what’s that? My brothers trapped in a cave again? I bet there’s a growing crowd of people.”
Even Floyd’s friend seemed like this was a normal occurrence.
Wished it worked but nature is so cruel.
1 likeI'm 40 now, but in my early 20's working in a refinery a father/son duo along with a few more coworkers died trying to save the dad after he passed out from vapors in a confined space. We're taught to not go in alone, or at all unless you're part of the rescue team; but imagine standing by wasting precious time waiting on rescue personnel while watching your father passed laid out on the floor. I believe the son, and 1 more guy survived the incident; but the other guys were down in the tank breathing in H2S for too long to be saved. This along with a few more freak accidents have been on my mind everyday since they happened 😪
3 likesHe was a real bro. Not to mension what he said at the start where he chased the people beating Loyd with a fucking shotgun
0 likesthanks to Jacob Geller's video, i already knew what happened to Floyd Collins, but the storytelling still made me so hopeful and then, as that hope got crushed every time i Remembered, so very deeply sad. i haven't even gotten to the end and i'm already crying a little
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Right?? I almost wondered if I was misremembering the name from Jacob Gellers video, tempting me to hope that maybe this one was a different story, and would end happily
4 likesIH's best work yet. I was experiencing the full spectrum of human emotion throughout this video. What a fantastic piece.
3 likesAnyone that made it through the squeeze is an absolute legend in my book, I personally know I wouldn't be able to.
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the way the squeeze is described here makes it seem even easier everyone after floyd had to go in head first into a whole that was too small to move while breathing and then drop down a 20ft drop no room to turn just to help floyd and to add on top of that they had to climb up a 20ft drop BACKWARDS using a rope and alot of strengh
1 likeYou can judge the power of a documentary if you ever want to pause to google what this is about and what happened in the end. I've done no such thing and sat through the entire video. Amazing
9 likesThe fact that Gerald moved a half TON of rock is just awe inspiring. The strength and willpower to do that is just insurmountable. I wouldn't doubt that he would have chipped away the whole damn cave to save his friend.
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Historian
3 likesNow that is a wholesome friendship.
46 likesAs I saw that, I was awe-inspired. Wow.
8 likesIf you've ever shoveled out a truck bed that was full of gravel, then you've also moved at least half a ton of rocks. Lol
4 likes@Joe He did it by hand though
77 likes@Savuth by hand in a cave too.
49 likeshe did it while being upside down. His strength was incredible.
50 likesIt was gravel and rubble lol not one single half ton rock.
1 likeI mean, considering that he was doing it in a super awkward position, yeah, but a half ton is pretty much nothing if you're moving it piecemeal. Takes like 15min to move that much brick. Having to rope it out in a bucket is probably what made it take so long
4 likes@Artorias Of The Abyss ok, and he did it with a fucking syrup can.
40 likes@Thicc Thicc Thicc irrelevant
0 likes@Artorias Of The Abyss Yeah, we get it. You've never done a day of work in your life, and sneer at others' accomplishments because it makes you feel better about having none of your own.
31 likes@Steven Schnepp ah yes, simply gravel and rubble, which has no relevance, significance or connection to rocks, whatsoever. Man took out half a tonne of gravel and rubble? nah, that ain't a whole ass rock fam, he's mid.
6 likes@Steven Schnepp You still crying, kiddo.
0 likes@dandy dasyt don't think he's"mid" but whatever ya say
2 likes@Joe Cool. Now do it squeezed in a cave, upside down, using only your hands.
0 likes@Joe that would be easy compared to pulling it out of a 10 foot drop by hand obviously
0 likes@dandy dasyt You are the biggest excuse for a human ive ever seen
0 likesSome of The people in this comment is literally the local on the story
5 likes@Joe another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
1 like"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
now if we were to adjust this to an open space with alot of room to move then it would also be adjusted for you to have to atleast move 4 tons within 3 hours with nothing but your hands thats how impressive that is even just being upside down for an hour is hard enough now doing that while shoveling 500kg of gravel with a tin can and then having to pull yourself up for a 10ft drop is just mind boggling to me yet some people say "500kg is actually not that hard i could do that"
@Jess H another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
1 like"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
and he only had a tin can in any other conditions hed prolly have to move 5tons within 3 hours with no tools to even compare to what he did here
@Artorias Of The Abyss another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
1 like"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
now i am imagining you in bed on your phone looking at a comment like this and most likely dropping your phone at times because your grip gets too loose to hold it yet this dude did 500kg of rubble with a tin can and his bare hands upside down in a narrow hole that didint even allow for him to turn
The feeling of terror I get from watching this comes from me knowing this is totally a problem I would get myself into if I were a cave explorer. The pull to go further into the unknown is so intense.
52 likesYour usage of rdr2s soundtrack is so good, you picked the perfect music for how tense this story gets
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Damn right brother. I'm surprised no one else has said anything about it. It makes it more dramatic
3 likesOh wait, which scene was that?
0 likesThe Halo: ODST soundtrack bits were also intensely appropriate. "We are dropping into Hell, troopers! Time to grow a pair."
0 likesI can’t even describe how well the Little Nightmares music fits with some of the scenes. Make the eeriness much more effective. Great choice on that.
0 likesSad as it is that he did not ultimately survive, it is inspiring to see the sheer amount of effort that went into attempting to save him from the cave.
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0 likesFloyd tricking that soldier to come down just to die with him just so he wouldn't be lonely is probably the most haunting part of this story, seriously ominous.
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When you go 5 days without seeing sunlight, breathing fresh air, having a normal conversation, all the while pain is coursing through your body and being powerless to move does things to your mind, that part terrified me as well
515 likesWasn't a soldier, was one of the surveyors for the cave that worked for the quarry guy.
235 likesI don't think it was as much tricking him to die with him but instead that he felt his time was short and didn't want to die alone.
335 likesMisery loves company
179 likesAs dark as what he tried to do was, I genuinely cannot blame him.
@Jofe_co this, he was like a dying man in a hospital bed. People are social, pack creatures at heart, he was definitely the loner type, but this was an extreme that would leave him feeling very, very alone and scared, no wonder he wanted anyone to just stay with him, to distract him from the torment of his own thoughts.
162 likesThis is one of the more terrifying ways to die depending on your personal mental state, i struggle to think of worse ways frankly.
@StrikeWarlock completely agree with you, his actions are completely normal considering the conditions
29 likes@CODENAME surveyor of the national guard so yes the army
1 likefunny thing is, if he HAD gotten stuck down there, and he happened to be have food/water with him, floyd might have survived. more likely that they both would have died, but its very possible that both of them could have gotten out of it
15 likes@carb har harb car Floyd died of exposure, at the point that the cave started collapsing Floyd was a goner and certainly wouldn't have survived. The other guy would've probably still been alive, but no way in hell someone would risk that just to console a dead man.
37 likesNot to die with him but not to be alone.
6 likes@Sam Han maybe dont read the damn comments next time like a normal person?
0 likes@Vihara2 There is a worse one. There was one called John Johnes, who went in the nutty putty cave and became stuck upside down for 72 hours. Rescuiers kept trying to free him, but they only made it worse and he descended deeper, until he finally died being upside down for more than 72 hours. This is way worse.
6 likesYeah I was rooting for his death at that point
0 likesA drowning person will always try to drag somebody down with him.
1 like@Casey Dopp Contrary to popular belief, the Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company that Henry Carmichael worked for was not, in fact, part of the national guard. Shocking, I know.
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0 likesThe actual replies:
@CODA Got curious enough to look up this up. Dear God, how can anyone go caving after stuff like this? Jeez.
3 likes@Casey Dopp No, it was from a private company, the national guard arrived later.
0 likes@MrArbaras no, it's actually worse. Floyd survived the cave in. His misery would've ended sooner if the cave in killed him, but it didn't. Man had to suffer a few more days after that happened.
2 likes@Casey Dopp military not army
1 likeHe wasn't a soldier, nor a worker of Kyroc, though that's jsut one of the many things IH gets entirely wrong.
1 like@C Porter *insert another laughing track*
0 likes@Rex Incognito how about you fucking look look it up for yourself then?
0 likes@Jofe_co but tricking a person to suffer that same fate is very cruel. However i do understand that he was not in a normal state
0 likesGreat video! So much more entertaining than just storytelling with a couple of photos. I was sad to see there aren't anymore of historic videos on this channel.
5 likesCan you imagine being stuck in a cave and as you try to dig your way out you find skeletons and one has a note that reads, 'This cave is for the brave to live out their days and now you are stuck with them in their grave.'
1 likeCan we just appreciate the fact that a god damn journalist braved what many seasoned cavers couldn't?
0 likesWhat saddens me is that he died about the same time his light went out. When a living thing has hope, their body will trudge on long after it should have given out. I believe when that light burnt out, so did his hope. And so he simply gave up. Perhaps if he knew they were digging for him he would have survived, although still unlikely.
2 likesAt one point the cave started feeling less like a cave and more like a some cosmic horror entity. Awesome storytelling.
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So do I start worshiping caves
35 likesoh this reminded me of some video i watched a while ago, about some entity that's a flesh hole and a national park i believe? some analogue horror/scp-esque thing, pretty interesting!!
30 likes@cauliflower just so happens that Wendigoon - the guy used as the face of Floyd - made a video about that very same flesh hole national park
54 likesThe shape of the entrance even looks like a mouth, with teeth and everything
22 likesNever thought I'd hate a geological formation, but man, thanks to this video, that cave gets me going.
21 likesvery bad cave ):<
True
0 likesSup fellow Baron Door Contributor.
0 likes@Matacrat Woah! Somehow did not expect encounter anyone from Baron Door on this video. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
0 likes@cauliflower ah yes, the Vore Hole
4 likesY'all watched Made in Abyss?
9 likes:))/:((
I'd say the way the cave is formed has a very sinister feel to it. The way it slowly tightens but then opens up again would give you a sense of reprieve, encouraging you to go into the next tight chute. And as soon as it looks too tight to continue, it opens up to another open space, covered in the most beautiful crystals and stones imaginable, just a short crawl away. You've already bled, bruised and come this far, just for the sake of it, so why stop now.
19 likesIt's a literal honey-trap and radiates Made in Abyss vibes.
Fr, especially when it comes to cave stories like this. Just when things start to look bright, something happens that completely squanders it. This story is the prime example because Floyd had so many chances to get out alive, but problems just keep leading into another. Rest in peace.
1 likeThe allure of the cave formation beyond the Squeeze, the grifters taking advantage of the situation while destabilizing the cave, the dentist using Collins as a morbid tourist attraction; it's almost as if the cave was the Sin of Greed made manifest.
8 likesit’s straight up exactly like the buried from tma
0 likes@down town i just found this out yesterday after searching it up- that's one hell of a coincidence
1 like@Ultima Power I mean atleast they’re real.
0 likesI interpret the Rouge rock that falls onto Floyd's leg as a tooth, clamping down and keeping its prey in place as it squirms and tries to escape, yet all in vain anyways.
4 likesIt’s the scariest type of cosmic horror entity: one that tasted human flesh and liked it.
1 like@cauliflower mystery flesh pit national park is the name of that i believe
0 likesI'd heard the basics of this event before, but this is masterful storytelling. Learning about the existence of the Kentucky Cave Wars was worth a watch all by itself.
0 likesbrilliant storytelling. this shit got me in tears. you are a wonderful filmmaker and i hope to see your craft continue to develop
14 likesI can't help but picture what torture that must of been to be trapped down in that cave for 2 weeks. Pinned freezing unable to move or see, never knowing if the next time you see a face will be your last. The scariest part is they were able to tell he was still breathing when the light went out. Maybe by then he was unconscious, i hope so because if not what thoughts go through your head when that light burns out and your left alone again in the dark. Did they give up and leave me, is this the end? What a terrifying way to die
13 likesAs someone with claustrophobia, it took several tries to get through this, but I'm glad I did
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going down to floyd's cave?
4 likesIt's a video..
0 likesHis brother is a real one. Immediately travels 10 hours to the cave, enters the cave still in city clothes, squeezes through a small ass hole no one else wanted to go through and starts digging through a large amount of gravel bare handed for 8 whole ass hours and after all that he raises money to get his body out the cave to properly bury him.
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Nobody wanted to go into that hole because it's stupid to go into that hole
222 likes@Kyle Abbott they clearly wanted to by entering the cave entrance, but I believe they may have had wrong intentions in the back of their head. Truly those who ventured past the turn around room had courage and strength in the thought of bringing him out alive. In some aspect, it is slightly foolish but God knows we don't make strides towards greatness by following our incessant need to be safe and comfortable. Forge a path for yourself and pray you have those strong enough and with best intentions around you. Those who are "stupid" enough to follow you and discover or build something truly great by your side.
748 likes@Kyle Abbott They had the balls to act cocky tho.
237 likes@Grim Im glad Im not ur brother
41 likesAnd one last thing. Though he perished and many lost out on much needed money, whilst others hastily gathered their earnings by commercializing his suffering, this gave us an incredible and inspiring story. It certainly inspired me and I will always be there for my fellow humans no matter how "stupid" I belive their ideas may be at the time. We must have patience as he did lying there alone. I pray you do the same and leave a more positive impact on this world, no matter how small a contribution. Lord knows most all of us need some positive or brave words/stories right now. The world is chaos but together we can walk through life confidently, maybe even foolishly to something greater. Have a good day yall.
211 likesOh spoilers damn
2 likescity clothes😱
3 likes@Tensho_C Agreed
0 likes@Kyle Abbott It's survival instinct, entering into such a small hole is suicide
25 likes@BG why tf would u read comments before watching the video xD
25 likes@CsStoker evidently, yet many would and perhaps should (with precaution) lay their life on the line for something or someone they love. It may just end up being something great, tragedy or not.
25 likesJust for a sack of shit to undo everything for profit. God I hope we go extinct.
0 likes@E Van oh shut up
0 likes@BG my man really gonna be mad at getting spoiled off a real incident
10 likes@BLB Entertainment floyd was an absolute idiot and honestly a piece of shit for recklessly risking his life without thinking of his loved ones.
6 likesOn the other hand his brother homer, miller and gerald acted like amazing human beings for selflessly risking their lives.
Remember that Geralds had to save him from a similar situation a year before this tragedy.
@J he did the exact thing every day. It was routine at that point. Not to mention he was more focused on providing for his family and himself during tough times. Can't really knock someone for doing that. As he cared deeply, so did his family and friend. Again was it foolish? A little bit haha but a TON of jobs in the era did not emphasize safety. And what was he supposed to just buy and utilize safety equipment? Shit cost money, and besides he did this since a kid. It was passion and prospect that killed him and many others during his time. Even if he was a bumbling idiot we all learned from his mistakes. No need to go calling a dead man an idiot, or at least without pointing out the 100s of peoples dumb ideas around him too. There's many ways to view the story, I'm just focused on the bright side my guy. Evidently I did not try to overlook the obvious shit. Also man became a celebrity, and people love to hop in and throw money at someone they look up to. Story of an underdog in distress.
50 likes@J also you must've lost someone you loved to call him a piece of shit for doing what he felt was his job and duty, and I'm sorry if you did. He simply was not a piece of shit. At least from what information was provided in the story. Love a little more please, I struggle ready to do the same and people calling others POS doesn't help spread the feeling.
32 likes@BLB Entertainment Tbh it's for the better that they didn't go, though. The risk of becoming trapped themselves aside, the fact that it was gradually reaching the point of collapse would help indicate that the situation may not have been salvageable from the beginning. They needed to dig him out from the start, with hindsight available to us it's fairly easy to see that the squeeze path would most likely never have worked and each person trying to brave it maybe even contribute to an earlier ruin and becoming trapped themselves.
9 likesBravery is a good thing to have sure, but bravery that isn't met with sensibility is just recklessness or stupidity. Anyone who doesn't have a decent idea of what they're doing should not try to take huge risks in a rescue operation.
@Lewtable yea agree, definitely wise to stay out after the integrity of the cave began to fade. Just as he was blinded of the prospect of getting though, those good people helping mightve killed themselves blinded by saving him, especially since the operation become so large.
7 likesi think he actually undressed into his underwear before enterring (read somewhere in a more detailed article)
1 likeMy brother stole every bicycle I ever bought
1 likeI'd like to think most brothers would do that. If it was my little brother, you'd have to drag me kicking and screaming out of that godforsaken pit.
7 likes@E Van
9 likesI disagree. Every single one of those people who tried to play hero but ultimately backed out likely believed in God, as most people did at the time. Courage and selflessness seems to be something that few people truly posses, regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof. It does not take a higher power to truly care about those that are helpless and to have the bravery and selfless determination to try to help.
Not to mention saves him from getting beat up by 4 other landowners
4 likesSpelunker's are fucking stupid. Fight me 😂
0 likesHe did more in that short amount of time, then the others did in over 100 hours.
1 likeNever reading the comments again
1 likea true hero
0 likes@Kyle Abbott But they weren't above pretending like they had the stones to do it. Very easy to talk about something, far harder to actually DO something,
3 likesJust like social media today..Some things never change.
damnit i just spoiled this for myself by reading your comment.
0 likesThis story is my WORST NIGHTMARE!!!
0 likes@J Wow, this comment is so oblivious and pampered it's sickening. Miners, just to take one job, lived extremely short and hard lives. You do what you got to survive, that doesn't make you, "selfish" it makes a living, get that through your thick skull. Not everyone has a hot bed and three meals a day, best to remember that. There was a time where no one cried about dying.
7 likes@BLB Entertainment please don't make judgements based on an inaccurate video. It's not that people didn't want to go in the hole, they physically could not go through. To show how small you needed to be, take note that Miller was 5'5 and 117 pounds.
0 likes@E Van That's just how family is, not some dusty 2,000 year old cult
1 like@nick watt He stole them because he had a vision that you would die horribly by being crushed under the wheels of a garbage truck because the inattentive driver didn't check his mirrors - or you may survive and spend the rest of your life depending on your brother for everything as you sit essentially lifeless in a wheelchair.
1 like@BLB Entertainment
2 likesTruth is most of them would have gotten stuck in there and they’d also need rescue. It doesnt help anyone to have that happen.
I do agree though that they werent looking to save floyd, they were looking for glory
@BLB Entertainment didn't know your so-called god was so into suicide
0 likesHe didn't travel ten hours, historian just made that one up for some reason.....
0 likesIf it were me trapped. I'd rather be shot to death. A quick death would have been infinitely more preferable than to the slow agonizing fate we see unfold here.
0 likesThat's love right there
0 likesExactly. The brother and Gerald were amazing
0 likesA true lad
0 likesE
0 likes@Landon Hagan
0 likesI was with mine for sure.
My little bro got jumped by an older kid when he was around 13?
I (foolishly) snatched up the first guy with long hair and jean jacket
I'm 16 / 17? And I hurt that guy (really hurt) 18 / 19?
Someone that much bigger, would dare do that shit?
But I never asked him if he had anything to do with it.
We are in court and his mother was crying upset
She says, "what did my boy ever do to you"
I (RIGHTFULLY SO) sank within myself in shame, like the POS I was
The only bond I felt more was my first child.
There were a few times, but two notable times.
I Came very, very close to unraveling everything
And releasing a psychopath, that I was unaware I owned.
That's not me being clever with my choice of words.
That same kid, Is having his first one in 2 months.
I warned him that a protective mass murderer
Might be born on the same day as your child.
@Landon Hagan
0 likesLol, sorry bro. My intent was a quick little story
Not a confessional, Geezzz...🤐
@Mason Schmidgall then why are u in the comments—
0 likesThis story was an insane rollercoaster and when you said that Floyd was dead it was like a punch in the chest!
0 likesAs someone who was in a coma last year, it certainly is a humbling experience to be at the lowest point in your life and see people come to help you and show concern for you.
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0 likes@Azuri e duck?
1 likeFor all the silliness that made me giggle here and there, this left me in tears in the end. This poor man was disrespected at every turn even after death. This started eerily similar to a Magnus Archives episodes but ended up with much more real horror.
5 likesI keep thinking about how he could have asked to be killed quickly so he wouldn't have to continue suffering, but he really did not want to go. And nobody else would probably have the heart to do it. Besides, so much hope was injected into the situation that there was never a reason not to try to hold on just in case. We're all human: When he's as trapped and as alone as a human being can possibly get, he doesn't want to die, and he doesn't want to be alone.
13 likesIt’s incredibly inspiring that so many people got together to try to save the life of one person even before there was a monetary incentive. The collective effort of everyone and how it caught the hearts of the whole nation is really heartwarming even if Floyd never made it out in the end.
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Only like 5 people had the balls to actually make it to Floyd. Everybody else was chickenshit cowards trying to tell the real men what they were doing wrong.
2 likesthis was wonderfully made and now i'm extremely sad. this will rest at the back of my mind for the rest of my life :( 10/10 video
0 likesBruh props to you for lightining up this depressing ass story. At least the guy went out knowing people never gave up on helping him!
0 likesAs someone who lives not even 2 hours away from Sand Cave, I never knew anything about all this except for the fact that a man had been trapped in the cave. Wonderful storytelling, it definitely put my partner and I under stress.
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0 likesI’m shocked that no one’s talking about Gerald. Dude moved 1100lbs of stone in a matter of hours for his childhood friend.
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That’s a real effort to save his friend
314 likesshoudlve got some water forhim instead of coffee
119 likesmy jaw dropped when i heard that
81 likesFor real, that's some anime-level "power of friendship" stuff right there.
291 likes@Benz :p Coffee would provide energy so Floyd wouldn’t fall into bouts of lunacy and would probably provide a bit of warmth compared to water.
147 likes@Zaiden Sander Caffeine doesn't provide true energy, it's just a stimulant effect. That said, any small mental boost in that circumstance would be helpful for morale, and the heat of the coffee, like you said, would be vital in his circumstance.
114 likesMoving 1100lbs of stones in hour is EASY. Moving it in the conditions he was in is the hard part. But the stone itself? Lmao no. Used to do that daily for a paycheck
41 likes1100 lbs isn't as much as it sounds like considering a light deadlift is 180lbs. Split that up into like 10lbs, ez. It's more the conditions that make it so impressive
42 likes@Keter Ah, well if Floyd thought it was gonna increase his energy, he would be placebo'ed into feeling like he has more energy so it holds half true I guess
13 likes@Benz :p the coffee may have been important for warming him if it had been brought in a thermos.
8 likes@Keter No actually a stimulant increases core body temperature slightly and provides more ability to resist unconsciousness which in cold temperatures spells certain death.
10 likesGerald is such a good bro, I hope to have a friend like Gerald someday
9 likes@Benz :p please, oh please do a proper job of editing your post
1 like@Zaiden Sander but coffee contains caffeine, and caffeine is a diuretic, and urination lets out a lot of insulating fluids kept in the body. i'm no expert or even close, the effect of the coffee in terms of heat loss may have been negligible, but i think it might have made some slight difference to have brought him a different beverage / stimulant
6 likes@Morally Evil In retrospect before I got into cooking I was a stone mason for a year and I probably did about the same lol
0 likes@Benz :p coffee saves lives in these situations, especially in exposure conditions
1 like@nxxy nx intereting
0 likesThat was an effort worthy of being shouted from the rooftops across all Kentucky, but I've only ever heard of it here. "Shocking" is a good word for your reaction, and mine now, too.
0 likesHey man, it's simple: Bro's before hoes, and we all know Mother Earth is a bit of skank.
0 likesLiterally when he shows up John Marstons theme plays like he is the og and the most qualified man for the job
2 likesMoving over 1100 pounds of rocks and gravel isn’t much of an achievement with a shovel, but doing it with your hands in a very confined space wit the only tool available being a small bucket is one hell of an achievement. Much respect to that young man.
13 likes@Benz :p It's funny how accurately you represent the bunch of people who stayed around the cave talking bullshit about things they could've done.
12 likesGOAT status
0 likes@Morally Evil what tools did you use at your job?
0 likes@Oicmorez hahahahahah
0 likesSad that Gerald was the last person Floyd talked to.
0 likesYeah, I'm pretty sure this is as close to a literal "I'd move mountains for you" achievement as any individual could hope to claim.
0 likes@Morally Evil upside down, in a cramped cave, with an extremely distressed man making it difficult for you to save him
0 likesMoving 1100 is super easy. seriously moving 1100 of rock is not hard at all. I was 14 when I got a job loading trucks with 1-2 tons of hay. That being said doing it in a cave would be hard but not because of the weight and I could never bring myself to crawl into a cave like that. I don't mean to be a dick but these comments seriously have me wondering if people understand weight because some of them are acting like half a ton is some unbelievable amount of weight for a person to move when its just not at all
0 likes@James Clouse but again, it would be upside down, in a claustrophobic cave, with barely 2 feet of room for movement, and a distressed man being in the way of moving the rocks. The weight itself isn’t the most impressive bit, it’s the circumstances.
1 like@1 2 yes but some of these comments are 100% really dumb people that are amazed that someone moved half a ton. That's the only reason I commented is because some people are like wow a half ton? Like literally a small teen could do that in an hour and I feel like people have lost their grasp on weight and having to move things if the half ton part is what stood out to them
0 likes@James Clouse like i said I did masonry for a while, I understand that it’s not much weight and I was really high when I wrote this
1 like@Keter back then people did not know that Caffeine didint actually provide energy tho
0 likes@Kentucky Critter Camera you forgot the part where he is upside down in a 20ft drop and had to climb up a 20ft drop BACKWARDS after moving that much rock
0 likes@James Clouse remember he was upside down in a cave that was so confined that he could probably not even move horizontally not even speaking about vertically and he had to climb up a 20ft drop backwards after he was done and he only had his hands it is a shit ton of weight and a shit ton of work you wouldnt have even made it into the squeeze yet you pretend like its something you couldve done
0 likes@Kentucky Critter Camera another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
0 likes"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
@James Clouse another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
0 likes"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
if the conditions were adjusted to normal ones like an open room with alot of space then the weight would prolly be adjusted to multiple tons of rubble without any tools to help
@Morally Evil another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
0 likes"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
@Hambo325 another person commented this wich really puts into context how incredible it was for him to move 500kg in a single session
0 likes"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
under these conditions it would already be hard enough to just be there for and hour or longer but then to move 500kg of rocks and rubble with nothing but a tin can
that is a friend that i can only wish to have some day
@michael
0 likesHA HA HA HA..
I have been asked, like 2 weeks later
WTF does having an airplane with wings of spaghetti.
Have in common with the story?
NOT what I said; but something that really made an obscure point
IN MY MIND, at the time;' It appeared an analogy that would marvel
all who were lucky enough to find it.
@vomix Jesus I'm not reading all that this Convo was weeks ago.
0 likes@James Clouse so you admit defeat
0 likesI can't remember the last time a story had me on the edge of my seat with anxiety the whole way through.
14 likesNobody should have to go through that.
No stranger to horror but the intro gave me so much anxiety and terror of being stuck in a situation like that uhg just gives me chills
23 likesThe personification of the cave is unnerving, and scary... Like it's some eldritch horror that consumes people
13 likesspoilers if you havent finished the video
You know when youre watching a movie watching the protagonist go through hell and back expecting a happy ending. This was like a gut punch. ii audibly gasped and low key wanted to cry. finsing out after all the hell he went through he didnt get a happy ending. i hope he found comfort knowing the entire nation was rooting for him to make it out and while physically he was alone. he didnt die alone
I’m surprised there was no mention of the musical they made out of this story. Surprisingly good music and very interesting to put on as a show.
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Well you just kept the memory of musical alive. Well done👏
1 likeIf anyone memorializes me by prancing and frolicking on a stage, I'll haunt them to the ends of the Earth.
5 likesOh damn I just realized,
1813 likesHe wanted to turn the cave into a tourist attraction, but the cave turned him into a tourist attraction
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Holy shit
93 likesUNO reverse card
105 likesbruh
19 likesDamn irony
14 likeswhat an irony
7 likesThe cave did nothing. There were a heck of a lot of selfish pricks around to fuck things up though. But they're dead now, so I suppose you could call it even.
37 likes@Zap Gun Yeh you're right but that doesn't sound as cool and poetic
28 likes"Fate it seems, has a sense of irony."
6 likes"I want to turn this cave into a tourist attraction," he said as the Monkey Paw curled its finger.
17 likes@Zap Gun don't ruin it
5 likesHolllyyyyy damnnn
0 likesman that's such a horrifyingly brilliant way to phrase it
0 likesPuuh, your video was bit too good, at least for me. i was the whole day mentally exhausted, just thinking about the same extent, „imagine.. layong around not moving for over weeks.. not seeing anything“ or just not knowing but doing something that basically was your last movement .. anyway i am glad you did another video and it was really good. Very good story telling thats for sure! I feel like animating the story, showing X person for X was quite effective like the last bigger story and I guess made me feel way more empathic than just data, especially the 3D model of the cave was quite much for me to comprehend. I dont know why, but i just hoped all the time, he will come out alive, but in the end it was a ticking bomb all along.
4 likesThat was a rollercoaster I wasn't expecting! Thanks to Wendigoon for linking this in his community tab!
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0 likesI would like to say ...the way this was done was exceptional ... the humor, the information, the back ground story and the jokes and puns .. i must subscribe thank you i enjoyed every bit
5 likesThe animated faces really gave me a Fallout, early PC RPG vibe. Hands down, Internet Historian is the best true story teller on the internet, of all time.
0 likesi was like... "damm three days stuck in a cave must've been terrible, poor guy." and then the hours kept on going and going and going and going
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the cave didn't let him go
114 likes*years
14 likeswhen they were drilling that hole and were at about 360 hours, I was like "alright he's probably dead now", and then the hour counter just speeds up and never stops. It's insane.
150 likesAnd to make it worse is how little he could move not to mention how he probably couldn't use the bathroom ether honestly I'm surprised how quickly the story blew up most story's today with the internet don't go viral that fast
32 likesI've never truly experienced a claustrophobic situation, but I sweated profusely throughout the entire story.
6 likes@credit crazy it is gross and will probably seen as comedic for some people , but he was pissing and shitting himself down there for that whole time he was trapped--which is easy to forget since the video didn't deliberately point that out. wouldn't be surprising if he got infections from his wounds while waiting to die.
50 likesi was sweating my hand HARD at the one week mark .... then i was just downhill for me
1 likeAll but respect to this man, May he Rest In Peace.
2 likesWhat a story! I'm amazed how he held that long. Massive respect
8 likesthis video was amazing, its shocking how well you can make the viewers feel for Floyd. the descriptions and images make it that much better. id watch it again despite the length, because this was better than a lot of movies I've seen. love it, keep up the amazing content. story telling=immaculate ❤🔥
1 likeFloyd was blessed with such amazing friends in the worst time of his life. His death was so incredibly cruel though that I'm really sad.
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0 likesI became so invested in this storytelling that I actually felt my heart shatter in two when I found out that Floyd couldn't make it. I just assumed that he somehow miraculously survived in the end because of how you narrated the rescue in such detail and it completely caught me off guard when he died anyway. There has literally been no other documentary I have watched that played with my emotions as much as this.
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Same, now imagine how it must have felt for all these people and especially his loves one. So much time, so much effort so much hope. As thanos would say: I ask you to what end? Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same.
96 likesOMG THIS COMMENT IS JUST LIKE THAT COMIC BOOK MOVIE
10 likesHonestly when I heard the 30 hour estimate I was already sceptical. And then when it was apparent that it got delayed I was under no illusion that he would make it. Hate to be proven right but you cant survive for such long periods of time without heat, water and food...
33 likes@Demoulius what’s insane is he survived 2 weeks stuck there. He really deserved to make it out alive. I was so sad when it came the the last cave in after how much work was done to try & get him out
50 likes@Demoulius It turned from hope to a little bit of doubt, then it turned into denial until...
11 likesIt was a complete emotional roller-coaster for me
@J Hawkshaw I was rooting for the guy as well ngl. But a person cant survive that long without food and water. And heck the lamp going out which was his only source of heat probably eventually sealed his fate.
21 likesI was hoping for a happy end to the story as well but the cards werent in his favour :(
At first I was like this sounds similar to a story I heard about, hoping it might have a better end, only to realize just before the ad read it absolutely was the same story and am now super stressed. My worst nightmare.
13 likesYou should watch more documentaries then. I get what you’re saying but there’s so many enthralling ones out there
2 likesSpoiler spewing cuuunt
1 likeUnfortunately, like IH said in the Stede Bonnet video, real life rarely gives you a satisfying conclusion, not even an AR-15 and a jetski would've saved Collins.
4 likesMaybe some anti-rock cream would've helped, though.
Yea. And no offense to internet historian, but that 'bit' at the end with the voice actors was... really tasteless. I know it was a century ago, but clearly this man and his family knew only suffering. Its not really..material for a fun bit
4 likesDude, for real though. Not even joking here...Internet Historian is one of the best storytellers of our generation
1 likedamn i got spoiled : (
0 likesFrom the way it was narrated i could tell he wouldn't survive tbh. I can't really pinpoint any exact timestamps(i'm too lazy) but he kept giving the audience hope in a way that hints the opposite will happen
3 likes@Geri Ott nihilistic drivel, you get youre morals from super hero movies unreal levels of stupid in our society.
0 likesSame to all of this
0 likesYour emotions are frail
0 likes@Kevin Reilly weakness is everywhere now
0 likesSomeone will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but as low frequency sounds can travel through solid objects much faster, maybe, just maybe, Floyd might have heard the faint rumbling and clashing of pickaxes through the last 20 ft of rock as he was drawing his final breath, as hopeless as he felt when the lightbulb had burned out. So close, yet so far.
2 likesThis is the most beautiful and well done documentaries I've ever seen. I saw a movie loosely based on this event called Ace in the Hole with Kirk Douglas that has a different outcome from what I remember so I thought I knew what was going to happen. Nope.
8 likesHonestly, this deserves praise of one of the best YouTube videos ever created. Amazing job, IH and team.
What saves humanity from its horrendous actions is those few, against all odds and logic, keep on working, thinking and fighting to save one of their own. There are some truly fantastic people in this story... who ignored the naysayers and just pushed on... they are why our species has a chance.
3 likesIts insane how good internet historian is at telling stories.
14 likesI want more!!
Miller was absolutely inspiring. He was a man who came down to get a scoop. Braved the cave when no one else would, to get said scoop. Saw Floyd first hand, and chose to stick around and help him get out. A complete stranger risking his own life over and over again, to help a person in need
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honestly what cemnted him as inspireing was saying no to the deal. now don't get me wrong i completly understand why his brother took it. but Miller had nothing more to do with the case. and rather than enrich himself on the entire story, which wouldn't even be that bad a thing really, he was done.
357 likes@theguyyouhate Miller did not take the money at the time of Great Depression, my man is an absolute chad.
418 likesA based stranger
83 likesHe was a massive legend
177 likesThe dentist at the end of the story however is the polar opposite, calling him a massive fucking prick would be an understatement
Miller, Homer and Gerald were all real bros.
64 likes@M Alif Dentist was like I just bought myself a famous corpse. Court was like, gawd damn right he did. Public was like I'll pay to see that old famous story that didn't turn out so well.
18 likesI'm just like, I wish the news stuck to stories like that when ain't shit else happening. Stop causing trouble to make more news. However even here we saw them throwing money to back they hype that they would save him. Everyone saying the same as the paper "pockets open" then the money dries up as usual. The people arguing about it all and some coming up with an ideas, for the next guy. The more things change the more they stay the same.
An absolute Gigachad, and he still only 21
11 likes@M Alif He was just a random capitalist, doing what would get him better off in life. Being a prick, whatever, he's dead, nobody cares about him anymore. What should be remembered was the heroic efforts of everyone involved, from the friends and family, to a literally random stranger who decided to help purely on the empathy he felt.
24 likes@Brian Lam Being a capitalist doesn't require being an asshole.
0 likesDude deserves to be remembered for being a prick.
Man fuckin nearly died doing the jack-crowbar thing. Swear to God, Miller was built different
65 likes@Nina a not to mention being in such a tight area, with limited air flow, almost pressed on top of a guy who was covered in his own urine, sweat and possibly faeces. Unreal dedication went above and beyond.
15 likes@Nina a i don't think people realize how hard that is. I've worked (for fun, farmer family so you know the deal) in the rice fields, to dug the soil or to seed it and I'll be exhausted in minutes. Cannot even imagine how miller went to such lengths and tried again and again in such a claustrophobic area. That's amazing. What a Chad.
13 likes@「Iberis」 didn't even realize it was during the great depression holy shit, turning down today's equivalent of nearly a million dollars during a financial crisis is some king shit.
7 likes@Nina a imagine if something collapsed and getting stuck reaching for the jack pressed against floyd face down with the weight of the rock above you.
3 likesYou know Miller had to have imagined it and still he worked.
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1 likeAnd he tried to use the jack and crowbar for several hours, probably with barely much break. He was a complete stranger, but practically commited to getting Floyd out of there by any means he could. Man's a legend.
3 likesAnd then denied the chance to earn a million dollars, probably because it went against his morals to profit off of the tragedy
0 likesJust a small critique, when Floyd was placed in a cave as a tourist attraction, he was placed in Crystal Cave. It was a nearby cave he had discovered and was much bigger. Sand cave was too small and dangerous for them to use it as a tourist attraction without major changes.
5 likesFantastic content! I'd never heard this story before, and it's a riveting piece of forgotten history. Unfortunately the outcome is given away somewhat by citation of a book title from 1976. So if you don't want to be ripped from the suspense (vis-a-vis the outcome of the rescue mission), try not to read the footnotes at the bottom of the screen.
0 likesThe hours turned to decades. Probably the most creepily extraordinary story to come from entrepreneurship.
6 likesLiking these longer videos, this is a very well structured video and would like to see more content like this (obviously don’t always do content like this because I can imagine how time consuming and difficult it was to create this) but still
2 likesThe cave being subtly used as a character is so damn creepy. That’s a part of the world that human eyes were not meant to see.
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Some Eldritch Abomination lurking in the deep places of the earth.
0 likesBut in the end that b!tch was opened wide for the whole world to see just as Floyd had intended.
0 likesA character?
2 likes@High Definition During the video the cave is being characterized as not wanting to let Floyd go like some sort of monster that keeps coming back to make sure its prey can't get away.
422 likes@High Definition yes! personification specifically👍
94 likesStrook me as a Wendigoon touch. IH has good storytelling but that personification of a cave sounds straight up from a Wendigoon video.
64 likes@Evergrand Storyteller that cave must be a Chad then
3 likesSilent watchful cursed cave.
61 likesIt thirsts a sacrificial grave.
Winds of fate will loose a rock
To keep you in its crushing lock.
@High Definition not a genius loci, per se, but the cave served as the villain of this video.
4 likesI'm reminded of how in the HBO Chernobyl series, the core is treated as this sort of eldritch abomination.
23 likesnot only that but the picture used to represent the cave looking like a monsters mouth is also a nice symbolism (if it was intended of course)
21 likes@Practic4l intended or not it added some atmosphere to the already atmospheric video.
7 likeswhats up with the brightness thing at the start of the video?
0 likesI’m honestly not sure if it’s scarier to interpret the cave as a monster who thirsts for blood, or just what it is: a cold, unfeeling, unthinking thing which is incapable of caring about you at all, even as it slowly kills you in a freak accident.
7 likes@phoebe video game reference, not one specific one just a reference to all those games that tell you to adjust your brightness at the beginning
2 likes@dachel Oh thank u
0 likesWe grew up as a species in caves. But we didn't have to go so damn deep!
1 like@StrikeWarlock *the antagonist, not the villain. It didn't have evil intentions, but it did hinder the main characters' progress
0 likesMan, the cave doesn't want to let go of Floyd.
2 likesSeriously, please no one should put him back there. Let the man finally rest in piece away from that cave.
Being trapped in such a small area and not being able to move is absolutely terrifying. Especially if you have claustrophobia like me.
1 likeI don't have right words to tell how this story is inspirational and touching, truly masterful video
4 likesThis was so very interesting and entertaining 💜
1 likeAnd I have new found admiration for Wendigoon and all his homies for making this entertaining documentary.
Woah, Miller was hell of a journalist. Actually traversing the squeeze multiple times, then helping with the gravel and keeping Floyd company, so glad he won the Pullitzer prize in the end.
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Yeah, today you have journalists who would push a guy off a building for a chance to get a Pullitzer.
1237 likesHe didn't have any responsibility. He was nothing more than a reporter.
Yet he still tried. Even doing the thing with the crowbar for 4 hours straight. Not to mention having the balls to go through such a tight opening MULTIPLE times.
And even after all that he refused to profit from it. You just don't see journalists like that much anymore.
949 likesJournalists were a different stock back then I guess. Look at how they do nothing but stoke riots and act as puppets for the government now. Absolutely shameful.
0 likesFOR A COMPLETE STRANGER
549 likes@XXHoboCatXX Id think profitting is wrong in itself. The problem was to profit by telling cheap trills stories in those types of shows. It all depends on how the profetting is done. He at the end of the day did still profited in a way, it just was the good way.
218 likes@XXHoboCatXX He profited colossally from it.
31 likes@XXHoboCatXX profit can come in more forms than just money
30 likes@Luke Skywalker I mean, journalists back then definitely did that too. Probably more often, if we're being frank.
97 likesBest part that's not covered in this video actually:
461 likesYears later, Miller got a team together and finished the job for Floyd. He dug out that fuckin crystal cave.
@Colbio Hell yeah
48 likes@Colbio best comment I've ever seen on YouTube
38 likes@Colbio could those crystals have been sold?
3 likes@Luke Skywalker You can admire someone's deeds without slagging off other people. There are some hero journalists around, just as there were back then, and some are assholes - just as some were back then.
75 likesJust a brave guy all around - according to his wiki, he left journalism shortly after and eventually went into broadcasting, where he became known for managing "unusual events" (including the first ever live transmission from a parachute jump).
119 likes@Colbio damn. Imagine if he learned about the crystal cave from floyd himself
22 likes@Luke Skywalker shut up boomer, journalists today have been off-ed by the Saudi goverment and the other today's journalist is being hunted by CIA for leaking stuffs and forced to hide under Russia's goverment.
0 likesMiller walked so the guys from outlast could run
18 likes@Kuku1411 Rest In Peace, Miles Upshur
8 likes@MsEm And yet he’s still not wrong, because being harsh isn’t a sin
3 likes@XXHoboCatXX Because they all belong to a certain ethnicity that famously cares about nothing but gold...
3 likes@Colbio ....WTF FOR REAL?! That's so sweet! But why was it left out of the video?! OMG
8 likes@Joe G europeans?
17 likes@Joe G people from Europe?
4 likesBack when journalists were actually important and did great work
21 likes@The Rudest Buster yeah, he is. Based on ONE case it's a silly thing to say.
1 likePulitzer*
1 likeHe was a real reporter.
11 likes@Colbio do you have a link to that? I'd like to read about it
1 likeI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likes@Justice Dunham most journs have always been sum throughout history what you mean?
1 likeBack then journalism was Journalism and not fake news for attention and political propaganda in favor of whatever political faction the CEO happens to be a fan of.
1 likeAt a certain point, journalism stopped being about relating the news, and started being about money and political interests. This is what happens when many news outlets coagulate into giants and the news media environment is ruled by a handful of giants with ties to the government and political parties and who call all the shots.
@Joe G Genoese isn't an ethnicity
4 likes@Penthesilea Urso yea less regulation
0 likesthough now there are way more journalists
@MsEm "and some are assholes"
1 likeExtend that to absolute majority these days.
@Savannah Darling Starts with J and ends with ews.
1 like@Colbio are people able to see it today
0 likes@Buragi yeah no. Needs data
0 likes@Buragi the guy who thinks all journalists are assholes is an antisemite? wow man, big shock
0 likesyou guys are just sore at journalists for reporting on trump being a pedophile or something. sad!
@MsEm Need data?? Look at any news media. It's all the same bullshit.
0 likes@XXHoboCatXX you don’t see people like that much anymore eithee
0 likes@Colbio Shit, that's sweet!
1 likeWas Miller played by Nakey in this?
0 likesPlus he doesn't seem like he would be an experienced caver. Just the fact he went in once was amazing but how he actively tried to help is simply admirable
4 likesThey don’t make ‘‘em like they used to!
2 likesMiller trying to wrangle that bottle jack and crowbar for hours in that little gap w floyd, was incredible bravery and generocity
2 likeshe even rejected a huge money offer wich just makes me respect that man even more
0 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin in exposure sure but he declined the HUGE summs of money he was offered and that truly shows that he is a man of honor
0 likes@Colbio bro I can only hope to ever meet a man like miller seriously hes what a man should stride to be
0 likesThis might the most invested I feel like i've ever been in a story i was being told before. I can only imagine the sheer amount of work that went into making this but it's an incredibly entertaining video and i'm almost disappointed it was only an hour.
0 likesThought I'd make a rough timeline of the events and what happened on what day to clear things up. Also, while the video was pretty good, it did get some of the things wrong (for example, Day 6/7 wasn't spent arguing - rescue attempts were made). Also, as the text came out super long, this is spread out into different comments.
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Friday, January 30th, 1925 (Day 1):
3 likes- Floyd Collons enters the Sand Cave in the morning. He ends up trapped, and he spends the entire day in the cave, unbeknownst to anyone.
Saturday, January 31st, 1925 (Day 2):
- Neighbors realise that Floyd is missing and they start looking for him. They find his coat by the cave, and the 17-year old Jewell Estes crawls to the turnaround point, where he is able to communicate with Floyd.
- Neighbors proceed to alert Floyd's family, and his brothers Homer and Marshall join the rescue attempt. They bring Floyd food and water.
Sunday, February 1st, 1925 (Day 3):
- The next day, Homer starts to dig out Floyd with little to no success. Floyd's other brother Marshall offers $500 to whoever brings out Floyd (in todays money, thats roughly $8500, though in terms of labor value, thats close to $30 000 in todays terms).
- Many promise to help deliver food and water to Floyd, but they get scared in the dark, tight passageways (let's face it, most of us would too), so they instead hide the goods in the cracks and creviches.
- By midnight, all rescue endeavours had fizzled out, and Homer could only sit beside Floyd during this cold wet night.
Monday, February 2nd, 1925 (Day 4):
3 likes- News that a man is trapped in a cave start to spread around the region and state.
- Journalist William "Skeets" Miller, Lieutenant Robert Burdon (from the firefighters team) and Johnnie "John" Gerald (Floyd's caving buddy) arrive and they do their thing.
- Roughly 200 people are gathered outside the cave. Two tents have been erected, one to sell hot coffee and snacks and the other for first-aid.
Tuesday, February 3rd, 1925 (Day 5):
- Floyd has become the top news story in the nation.
- National guard arrives to assist with the crowd control.
-Skeets Miller and other volunteers rig the electrocal cord with lightbulbs to Floyd Collins, with Skeets Miller placing the lightbulb on Floyd's chest for heat and light
- Three men from the Woodson and Kratch Monument Co. of Louisville arrive and try to convince John Gerald to let them chisel away at the rock above Floyd. John refuses to let the try it, as he believes it would do more harm than good.
- Henry St. George Tucker Carmichael (Superintendent of Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company) arrives with his workers. He makes the first attempt at an organized and coordinated rescue, but Floyd’s brothers and the locals are convinced that the rescue shaft would jar the rocks and cause a collapse, killing Floyd. Carmichael reluctantly agrees and has his men start removing rocks from the cave passageway to make further cave rescue attempts easier.
- As the day went on, the crowd outside became drunkier and rowdier, and a split soon developed between "outlanders" (led by Robert Burdon) and "locals" (headed by John Gerald). Arguments and fistfights became a common thing.
- As most of the rubble has been removed by now from Floyd's body, Skeets Miller tries jacks to raise the rock that has trapped Floyd's foot. After hours of trying, Floyd convinces Miller to get some rest and try again the next day.
Wednesday, February 4th, 1925 (Day 6):
- That morning, Floyd is in decent shape. Churches across the country hold services for Floyd, and he has become a top news story in New York Times.
- The jack idea is tried again.
- Robert Burdon holds a press converence, stating that they will hopefully get Floyd out very soon.
- The ceiling of the cave is starting to show signs of crumbling, and the passageway is turning unstable. John Gerald expresses his concern that as the people around rise the temperature of the cave, the cave is going to collapse. Skeets Miller and Robert Burbon remain optimostic, but most people aren't listening to them as they are relatively unfamiliar with the area and its caves.
- Two men enter the cave to feed Floyd and they notice large that ceiling has developed large cracks. Sizeable rocks are slumping downward and debris is falling. They hurry to exit the cave as rocks start to fall. There is officially a cave collapse that separates the rescue teams from Floyd Collins.
- John Gerald makes an attempt to dig out the collapse with a select group of men. They will shore up the sides of the cave as they go, but due to several days of rain, rubbing of the walls by rescuers, a midwinter thaw, and dripping ground water, the cave structure deteriorates further creating another collapse in the passageway. In an attempt to get through the second collapse, several rocks fall on Gerald in his rescue attempt causing him to finally leave the cave admitting defeat.
Thursday, February 5th, 1925 (Day 7):
3 likes- The Governor of Kentucky, William J. Fields places National Guard Brigadier General Henry Denhart in command of the rescue.
- Locals are driven away from the rescue area, and they aren't happy about it.
- Entering the cave from the main entrance is now banned, as the risk was life-threatening.
- Engineer Henry Carmichael supervises the creation of a 6’x6’ vertical shaft to rescue Floyd.
- Drills, dynamite, power shovels, pneumatic drills are excluded from the rescue attempt due to the fear that it will cause the cave to collapse and kill Floyd (video mentioned that they were afraid it would suffocate Floyd, but thats just a tiny nitpick)
- The floor of the cavern raised, and walls closed in a few feet ahead of Collins. This would be the last time his voice would be heard.
- A guard had to be assigned to Homer Collins, to prevent his entering the cavern.
- Many companies and business from all over the country start sending supplies to Sand Cave which is quickly becoming overloaded with items.
- A hospital is set up to treat people for cuts, colds, contusions, bruises, and physical exhaustion.
- By 7:00pm they are seven feet down with a digging rate of only one foot an hour.
Friday, February 6th, 1925 (Day 8):
- Massive amounts of volunteers and supplies arrive to work on the shaft. The process is well organized and managed but due to large rocks, gravel, and muck in the shaft it slows progress.
- The shaft has reached 17 feet in depth.
- Homer Collins and John Gerald are both banned from the site. Homer, because he evaded Guardsmen and entered the main passageway of the cave to see if his brother was still alive (he was gone for some time, and a party was organised to go in after him as well. When he reappeared, no further action was taken against him as he was in a highly nervous state). John was banned because he and the "locals" criticized the rescue methods loudly and publically, which caused many arguments and fights.
- Floyd's other brother, Andy Lee, finally arrives from Illinois after nonstop driving. When he saw the cave opening, he collapsed, and he was taken to the Cave City to recover.
- Meanwhile, Floyd's father, Lee Collins (don't confuse him with previoisly mentioned brother Andy Lee Collins), is out milking money from the situation by handing out Crystal Cave advertisements, selling phoographs of Floyd for 1$ a piece and by telling anyone who bothered to listen about Floyd's adventures and how this is all "God's Will".
- As there aren't as many updates now, different rumors and lies start to spread as journalists become desperate for new things to write about.
Saturday, February 7th, 1925 (Day 9):
- National Red Cross arrives, and they take over the feeding of the workers. The workers had previoisly had only "black coffee, crackers, and moonshine whisky.”
- National Guard erects a barb-wired fence to secure the rescue site.
- Several people look for other caves or entrances to Sand Cave to possibly gain access to Floyd from another passageway. This is unsuccessful.
Sunday, February 8th, 1925 (Day 10):
3 likes- The day was nicknamed a "Carnival Sunday", as up to 10 000 people descended upon Sand Cave, hoping to see rescuers pulling Floyd Collins out. The site turned into a carnival-like atmosphere with vendors selling souvenirs, hot dogs, sandwiches, popcorn, and balloons to the curiosity seekers that had flocked to see the tragedy. Con artists roamed around, asking for "donations" to aid the work crew.
- The shaft was now 23 feet deep.
- The story starts to take a negtive turn in the media, as people start to point fingers and blame each other for failed rescue attempts. Robert Burdon (the firefighter harness guy) goes as far as to say that some of the “rescuers” were “guilty of nothing short of murder.” A rumor is flying around that this has all been a big hoax, and that Floyd isn't even down there.
Monday, February 9th, 1925 (Day 11):
- Four main theories fly around - that it's a hoax to lure tourists to see Kentucky caves; that Floyd was murdered by someone unknown after he entered the cave; that food and water are purpusefully kept from Floyd so he would die; and that Floyd isn't in fact in the cave at all. The media loves this.
Tuesday, February 10th, 1925 (Day 12):
- A military court of inquiry convenes in the Cave City to clear up any suspicions and to disprove the rumors.
- Despite that, the number of volunteers start to drop as the rumors spread.
- Rain further slows down the digging process.
Wednesday, February 11th, 1925 (Day 13):
3 likes- Freezing temperatures and snowfall further slow down the progress on the shaft.
- The two phony telegrams are sent
Thursday, February 12th, 1925 (Day 14):
- Rescue shaft has reached 48 feet and the sides need constant shoring to avoid collapse.
Friday, February 13th, 1925 (Day 15):
- On the morning of Friday the 13th, the men working the shaft said they could hear Floyd coughing.
- Denhardt reported his office had received more than 2,000 letters—most offered advice on how to free Collins.
- This is the day Floyd Collins most likely died. He had spent the total of two weeks trapped in thay cave; one of them without any food or water (if not to count the water that dropped on his face). However, the combimation of dehydration, starvation and exposure through hypothermia ended up killing him at age 37.
Saturday, February 14th, 1925 (Day 16):
- The military court of inquiry delivered its finding, Floyd was definitely trapped in Sand Cave.
- The Shaft is now roughly 55 feet deep.
Sunday, February 15th, 1925 (Day 17):
- By the end of the night, the lateral tunnel was only few feet away from Floyd.
- Most people have lost hope that Floyd is still alive
Monday, February 16th, 1925 (Day 18):
- At 10:30 a.m., Homer Collins broke through the military guard on duty at the cave and almost succeeded in reaching and going down the shaft when a rumor stated Floyd was being brought up the shaft.
- At 1:30pm they break through to a Sand Cave passage.
- At 3:42 p.m., rescuers reported they finally connected the parallel shaft with Sand Cave and discovered Floyd Collins' lifeless body: "No sounds came from Collins at all, no respiration, no movement, and the eyes were sunken, indicating, according to physicians, extreme exhaustion going with starvation."
This story made me feel every possible thing; anxiety, fear, optimism, anger, frustration, sadness, relief, ect.
6 likesIH; you just keep getting better and better, like a fine wine. I’m showing my grandma (the one that hates everything except you), and I’m sure she’ll love it.
Love the cast this time around! Almost a Hollywood level production!
3 likesThis whole story was so morbid, so haunting at every turn, and it’s presented in such an entertaining way. Thank you Internet Historian.
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This story has been told many times on youtube, way better, don't know why he bothered.
2 likes@William North name 5, if there’s so many, and your such an expert
131 likes@William North shut up
0 likes@Childer Yeeter 420 Just search Floyd Collins cave disaster. Theres so many who have done this story. Its one of the most famous cave stories. This one is a pretty horrible and tragic one and i didnt find it go hand in hand with Historians comedy.
25 likesJust to +1 on other replies. This is too morbid a story to expect from Internet Historian to cover :( "and my day is ruined".
6 likes@Linus he said name 5 and didnt he cove the cost of cocordia ?
15 likes@edgedg cry about it?? jesus christ y'all are crybabies
0 likes@Linus Yeah, some of the comedy seemed a bit tasteless tbh
3 likes@Nagger its all subjective, bud. You may find it tasteless but i, on the other hand, thoroughly enjoyed it.
57 likesSure, others will tell this story on a more brooding way, but humor is just one side of the coin.
@Kleidus Wow, it's my opinion? Gee golly, I didn't realize that, thanks for this incredible insight
3 likes@Nagger Tracka
0 likes@William North Tracka
0 likes@Linus yeah it was pretty fucked that this had such a horrible ending with the comedy style it was put in
0 likes@William North bait
2 likes@William North shut up
0 likesIf you're entertained by a man slowly dying, you might be a psychopath
1 like@William North He didn't even boother to get his facts straight too. IH has done far more damage than any of the other channels who put out poor quality videos on the matter (not all of them, a few did good.)
0 likesKey word: Entertaining. He lied about many things in this. Besides the things he got wrong. Had to make a 50 minute long video kust talking about how many damned things he got wrong.
0 likesThis was such an incredible and heart-wrenching story to watch... very, VERY well done!!
1 likeDoes anybody know where the 3D mapping at 5:07 comes from?
One of the best stories I've ever heard on internet! The storytelling is very intriguing and the humour is dosed very precisely, not to turn it into a horror which it actually is, but to keep it light enough for an average viewer. The choice of actors is pretty misleading though. I'm wondering why haven't you used the real historic photos? It leaves an impression of Floyd as an irresponsible kid, while he was actually a 37. y.o. experienced cave explorer. Also, ethnic relations in the family seem to be unclear. All in all, nice visuals and animations!
0 likesThe production quality is over the roof. I can't wait for the next one
0 likesThis is the most detailed and honestly entertaining telling of this story I’ve ever found
2 likesI'm in awe of the moral integrity on Miller. He goes there for a scoop but ends up risking his own safety time and again for a man he barely knows. Even when Floyd passed going so far as to decline that million dollar contract to stay humble. He deserved more than just a Pulitzer.
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Truly a good man
1016 likesAbsolutely.
398 likesI think what he really needed, is for Floyed to stay alive.
859 likesHonestly wouldn't have even faulted him for taking the money. What a Chad.
1173 likesModern journalists would never
820 likesA journalist above journalist, one that kept his integrity
623 likesI feel like if Floyd was rescued alive he would have accepted the contract and Miller probably had that thought when given said contract but didn’t accept it because to him it was wrong and to Miller disrespected Floyd’s death
653 likes@Mudkip lover another look into Miller's moral integrity. That man was inspirational!
220 likesJesus Christ died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him. True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and drastically change for the better! Those led by the Holy Spirit do not abide in wickedness. 👍🏾
34 likesGod is ONE manifesting himself as THREE; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! For these three are one.
As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
When you trust in God and cast your cares (worries, anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts) upon him, they will be NO MORE!
25 likesKnow that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals!
The world is wicked, evil, and of the devil.
I too, was a wicked sinner of the world before I opened my heart to God. I am living proof of God's work and fruitfulness! He is an active God who hears the prayers of his! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous. The devil is a liar that comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy; that includes your relationship with God!
@Jesus Saves! Jesus didn't do shit for Floyd lol
443 likesUm, SPOILERS!
11 likes@Iknowtoomuchable I love how easy it is to shut down religious mumbo jumbo by simply asking where was Jesus and their miracles during every disaster and calamity that has affected people of all kind (including religious ones) to this day. It's easy to claim God watches over everyone and protects those deserving but then you see things like this and it's like where is your God now? What kind of God lets a person die such a miserable, lonelly, painful and awful death like the one showcased?
193 likesBad stuff happens because man is bad, the blame of bad or reckless stuff belong to man, not to God. And many times one man suffer because of what other man has done.
64 likesGod allow man free will, and never promissed a life full of pain, it actually promissed a harder life if you follow him, because the world will oppose the person who follow him. But learning it's teachings like supression of bad impulses, kindness and to love your enemies are necessary to make the world a better place.
The thing is that most people are selfish, why did it take this long for the gov to step in, why did it take this long for people to start digging, why dont everyone there helped dig and make the entrace bigger? Why it took that long for engeneers to come? Many people where there just for curiosity and to sell stuff, and autorities only moved when the story became famous and they found that it would be a good on their resume.
Real life Frank West
11 likes@Joikax The dude let himself get crucified. Before that he tried to wipe us all out in a big flood because he got buyer's remorse. Preventing tragedy has never been God's m.o.
0 likes@Joikax Don't forget the good old 6y old children with terminal c*ncer. They obviously deserved it - how dare they be born?! Really deserved suffering for years on life support before dying without experiencing a single good thing.
0 likesLike I ain't got a f*ckin issue with people having 'faith', but when ya go out and start spewing that bulls*it everywhere while denying anything and everything atrocious in the world - now that's being a piece of s*it. Just have your damn faith and leave me the f*ck alone.
@Joikax Usually you just get some nonsense about mysterious ways and ineffable plans. Of course that opens up questions about why they bother praying if the plan is already in place, but that's its own can of worms.
86 likes@Iknowtoomuchable Jesus wants to make sweet love to your [CENSORED]
23 likes@roystonlodge Jesus wants to spoil your [CENSORED] and your [CENSORED] and your mouth all at the same time.
15 likes@Joikax Jesus was at my birthday party. He turned all the water into wine and all the furniture into bricks of cocaine.
0 likesAs Bill Burr once said, that’s what a true hero is. Not someone that saves others by ultimately saving themselves, but risking their safety for no reason just to help out another. Truly that man is someone I aspire to be now. The integrity, hard work, drive, and morality is Superman levels
59 likes@Mudkip lover I don't think he would have been offered as much money if Floyd had lived, I think the larger contract would have been offered to Floyd to tell his story.
2 likes@Jesus Saves! The bible was written by man. Therefore every word of it is tainted by the greed and pride of man. Things get lost in translation, and blindly following it and using it as a step by step tutorial is the biggest reason why conflict still exists today. No matter the form or content of the book.
39 likesIf you claim to be a man of god, you should forsake everything you've been thought and find your own path.
So far, humanity has failed in every way. Being led, after all, usually mean you can not see eye to eye for what the creator intended.
And for a god to have no competition, will only lead to stagnation and downfall since the concept of perfection does not exist. I'm certian even god agree to this.
If we where created with a purpose, then it most have been that... standing on our own 2 feet, head held high as an equal. A companion to god if you wish. It's lonely at the top after all.
And not its slave bound by endless servitude, always asking for permission and forgiveness for our own misstakes.
Unless we deal with shortcomings ourselves, we will never grow.
And if that's the way god intended it, to be stuck as children and never face true responsibility, then count me out. Strike me from this withering body, dying earth and its seemingly doomed future.
It should be obvious now, that the shortcoming of a few can lead to the downfall of us all. And asking to be saved by a higher power is an insult to the very god that created us, since we where given the tools to fix it ourselves.
A lack of understaning and being "lost" is perfectly fine, but most folk tend to abide by the golden rule instinctively and with no handholding required. But to preach as if you have the answer like you've already reached the gods level, is nothing more but blasphemy by your own rules. You are nothing more than a hollow wretch. I'd like for you to leave, reflect, and grow up.
Humanity got a long...long way to go. And something is telling me it's gonna be a long... long and rough winter. Hopefully that time will bring us quite bit closer.
Good luck folks.
Yours truely:
Just a Self-Proclaimed observer of sorts I guess
@Mudkip lover Miller probably blamed himself for Floyd's death too. if he hadnt made it such an attraction the cave may have stayed stable enough to successfully rescue him.
93 likes@Joikax "if God real, why bad thing happen?" - Aristotle
42 likesHe was a true hero
0 likes@MK Ultra ok
1 like@Jesus Saves! Nobody cares, shut up
0 likesBoth an exemplary case of investigative journalism, and one of humanity.
7 likes@Jesus Saves! stop spreading your bullshit fairy tales mate, we apreciate you keep your faith to yourself and stop pushing it onto others.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
49 likesAnd I say unto you, does your faith rest on so soft a bed that it must be proclaimed from the corners lest it fall
@Jesus Saves! k well I need help what can you do?
5 likes@Artorias Of The Abyss 1. You misused the passage (because it doesn't apply to me) and are very much out of context.
6 likesIt is evident you do not know God's word and are trying to falsely accuse me; attempting to sway those with no understanding of the passage, like yourself, against the clear message of Jesus Christ being our Savior.
2. Matthew 6 was talking about the Pharisees who pranced about talking like they knew God to unknowing people to look like they were very religious and knowing. When God and they themselves knew they were false, their reward was others thinking they were very religious. Putting on a facade, a show, for reputation; when in reality they are a bowl that looks filled but when you put your hand into it, it's empty and hollow.
None of this is what I am doing, I am informing strangers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, God's works, and denouncing the devil's lies. That they can walk away from their life which is controlled by sin, through Jesus!
@hayorge27 If you really desired help, you would have been more specific. Not leaving room for misunderstanding of your situation. How would one help you when you don't state what you need help with?
3 likes@Joikax it's not God that causes chaos and calamity, its satan... you arent really as smart as you think...
0 likes@EnthuZ The Holy Bible was written by men directed (led) by the Holy Spirit (God). It is the infallible word of God and not mistranslated. It's the love of wickedness and hate for righteous reproval that the ye do not believe in God. Having no faith because ye love evil more.
1 like2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
John 3:19-21 KJV
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Back when journalists weren't all lying POS grifters.
0 likes@GAMER123GAMING No it's not OK.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! The god in the Bible is Yaweh and he wants to circumcise your [CENSORED] so he can drink the discharged blood. Yaweh made Moses his gimp and demanded heaps and heaps of blood sacrifice from all the non-believers. He feeds off of blood. ALL SHALL KNOW HIS WRATH! Amen. Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to get buggered by a priest. PRAISE THE LORD!
4 likes@banuan lol it's not fanfic it's straight from the bible. What... you think you're better than the bible? Huh? YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN YAWEH?!?! HUH??! SMITE THOU INFIDEL!!!! *EDIT* lol banuan has been SMITED!! Or is it smote? He's gone, comment is where to be found. BEHOLD THE POWER OF YAWEH
0 likes@Jonathan Price Hey John do you believe in god? Do you believe in Jon of God?
1 like@roystonlodge how about you just watch the fucking video
0 likes@Jesus Saves! Jesus wants to choke on your chicken.
0 likesHomer being able to make it through makes sense, since that's his brother so he's highly motivated, but after hearing about all those so-called experienced carvers chickening out and LYING about it after bragging like a bunch of assholes, Miller comes in looking not just like a badass, but like a genuinely good person. Though Homer's a badass too of course, I just think it's super impressive how Miller was so out of his element, and had no personal stakes, but still did so much to help. They may have failed to save Floyd in the end, but I hope he was comforted by the fact that people were trying to help him, during his last moments of lucidity.
45 likeshe would be rolling in his fucking grave after seeing today's "modern journalists"
0 likesAlmost everyone in this story is an asshole looking for profit, even to the point of using his corpse for tourism, but the journalist of all is a saint. How times have changed.
0 likesThey don't make em like they used to these days
19 likesJournalists today are such a joke
@Joikax God died a gruesome death, for our sins. Peter his disciple was hung upside down a cross, Stephen was stoned, numerous Christians were brutally murdered. No one is going to have life easy, bad things happen because of sin. Satan is the prince of this world, but Christ came to forgive our sins and offer his eternal life if we believe in Him.
6 likes2 Corinthians 12:10
For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
When he declined the prize, you can completely feel how Miller felt. Defeated. He intended for a scoop but ended up with companionship that ran deeper than intended. The Pulitzer Prize, something that he would’ve drooled over before is now irrelevant compared to the life that he just lost.
38 likesWhy did r/atheism leak into this comment chain
18 likesit's like a movie plot. small time guy or gal going in for the story and ends up being a huge asset. I also really liked how miller turned down the money, It really felt kind and human.
12 likesCompared to “journalists” these days oh my word
9 likes@Alex right? Did they miss the part when Floyd was praying and talking about heaven, and his family were religious too? Even in the worst circumstance he found peace with God. Why are atheist get a hard on to say he didn't go to heaven?
16 likes@Duck Meat Nobody said that. They are just replying to a random religious fanatic in the comments taking any chance he can get to copy paste bible quotes.
50 likes@MrBlur there are still journalists going into active war zones and the like. Its just that most journalists and newspaper have lost their integrity. But even back then thats wasn't uncommon.
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0 likes@schwarz part of it too is many are forced to do fluff pieces to keep their newspapers afloat.
5 likes@Jesus Saves! Religion is like a dick. It's fine to have one, but it's telling of your personality when you start rubbing it in people's faces.
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0 likes@Jesus Saves! Not trying to attack you, but extend my sympathies. Schizophrenia is no joke, I hope you get better soon.
18 likesA person willing to risk their life to save someone they didn't even know and tell their story- and not want anything in return? That's just incredible. Truly a rare breed of human. Probably a dead breed by now.
4 likes@Duck Meat they weren’t making fun of the dead guy in the YouTube video. Idk maybe don’t jump to conclusions?
11 likes@Jesus Saves! Are you sure a random comment on a video about a man stuck in a cave is the proper place for this? You can't possibly expect to be doing anything for anyone here.
23 likesIf you're really serving God, you should probably find better places to do that work- places and settings where you might actually reach people and have a positive effect on them.
I'm sure your intentions are good, but if all you're doing is upsetting people, are you really doing anything at all?
@Joikax Oh boy, you really owned religion with that basic question people have been asking since the dawn of time!
12 likesNo religion claims to protect people from suffering on Earth. To the contrary, they all make a point of life being cruel and miserable. It's about understanding the world and what's beyond. You'd know that if you bothered trying to understand it on even a basic level.
Disagree with religion if you want- it's your eternity/nothing to spend as you please- but don't act like you're intellectually superior because you can ask a question (that religion DOES answer). Try reading a book or something. Though, maybe arguments that can be fully embodied in a single paragraph are more your speed?
@RedTank90 Whether you understand me posting in this comment or not, is irrelevant to God and his plan. Knowing not your own future or anyone who stumbles upon this comment's future, what knowledgeable information can you speak to say this is in vain? You know not what information they will hold on to and recall in a future event, because it was told to them here.
1 likeIt's not always about how people react immediately to information given to them, it's about planting the seed and letting God do the rest. Lean not on your own understanding, but God's. Trust in his view and not yours, which is limited.
Matthew 24:14 KJV
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
You read the comments of people with hardened hearts and are against God. These are people who are actively denying God for their sinful life, they are going to be upset when they hear what they're doing is wicked and wrong. That does not mean they are the only people reading my message, just the ones commenting.
Luke 10:16 KJV
16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
John 15:18-19 KJV
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15:22 KJV
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
God's children are tasked to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's works 😄! That the truth is known and all are without excuse. That means informing people who do not want to hear it.
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Psalm 96:3 KJV
3 Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.
Psalm 105:1 KJV
1 O give thanks unto the Lord; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.
John 14:6 KJV
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Matthew 10:33 KJV
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Romans 10:15 KJV
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
@MK Ultra Must have been one hell of a party.
1 like@RedTank90 I attended cathechism for years when I was younger up until I was around 17 before quitting so I did read and hear quite a lot; but you are free to make judgements as is usual of religious folk despite claiming to be open minded and accepting.
6 likesI do bother trying to understand religion and what drives people to be better as fellow human beings put on this Earth together.
I despise, however, the way religion has been used throughout history to brainwash people into not only cult-like activities and mindsets but even killing in the name of God...
A God that at any moment's notice is just as happy to bring down a hurricane or earthquake and destroy those believers' homes despite serving Him and trusting Him with their puny lives.
"It's a miracle!"- the women say when a baby is born... no, you should be thanking the doctors and nurses instead.
"It's a miracle!"- the men say when it rains and their dry crops are brought back to life... no, it's nature, governed by universal and scientifical rules not tied to a being with superpowers and a desire to help or ruin others seemingly at random.
But what about the 10 Commandments or the Bibble? All written by man, not by a God. Who's to say it wasn't meant as fantasy for its time just like a Harry Potter book is to us nowadays?, written at a time most of the population on Earth was illiterate and had only an inch of the knowledge we now posess about the world and universe as a whole. Back during a time there was no real line communication besides word of mouth and parchments (reminds me of the good old gartic phone game where the original message often gets distorted by the time it reaches the last person to hear it).
Do you want me to keep going?
I respect your belief in a superior being and superior meaning to life. I cannot claim that God does not exist but I will certainly point out the many "plotholes" and fallacies in religious lines of thinking and I'll certainly call out brainwashed bullcrap when I see it.
@proverbs18:24 You sound like a massive panzy. Also god didn't die. He just went on vacation.
0 likes@Alex atheism and communism go hand in hand.
1 like@RedTank90 Religion means to Re-LEGION. Re up the legion. To worship means to work for. So... which God do you work for? The one who likes male circumcision or the one who likes female circumcision?
0 likes@Jesus Saves! God wants you to shut the fuck up for a bit and leave him alone. He has a hang-over.
0 likes@proverbs18:24 lol God didn't die. He just went on vacation.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! God wants you to stop tickling his [CENSORED] and go take a time out.
0 likes@Joikax So by this argument, then when someone is saved from terrible circumstance, that means God is real.
9 likesYour lack of logic is impeccable. Next.
Why do you hate God so much?
0 likesEasy killer.
0 likesBecause someone said the "G" word. I can smell the body odor and Cheetos.
1 likeProfile pic and name checks out.
0 likes@blackneos940 Easy rider.
0 likes@Iknowtoomuchable RE ur reply: "@Jesus Saves! Jesus didn't do shit for Floyd lol" YOU'RE G-D D@NM RIGHT! 🤣
0 likes@MrBlur c cool it w the andy semitism. Its not nice to speak of midern journos like that
1 like@schwarz those journalists are jus there to spread propaganda and are from the same group that lied about sadam to cause the war for the benefit of that little country near by that the journalists, wolfowitz and feith and you, mr swartz, are all solely loyal too, which country also produced false intel about yellow cake etc
0 likes@EnthuZ You do realise that they 100% believe that it was written by the hand of G-d right, & that LOGIC has no place here....best you will get is "written by 'men' inspired by the direct word of G-d.". WASTE OF TIME. I've been thrown out of H.S. religious class & then studied it all - learned Hebrew, Arabic (Koran), Aramaic, studied w/'a student nun who knew Aramaic & Greek (she used my Hebrew)...looked at Buddhisms, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Wicca, Voodoo...anything fundamental is illogical. Waste of time arguing or debating...that nun left BTW, she couldn't reconcile the inconsistencies w/the texts vs teachings, made her very sad, but saw it as a connection to the human need for ritual. Better to have rituals that you know are just rituals, & that you also personally enjoy (detached from dogma), than to substitute that need w/a different (& perceived as nonreligious by society) ritual/ritualistic/restrictive/"special making" group, this just as illogically impervious to ideas or FACTS that create doubts or question that new belief....Sorry but SOOOO many, religious/cult-like, sub-cultures filling this void today but all the same....& sadly logic also doe not apply.
0 likesI was you, I get it, so KEEP trying, keep questioning, but also DON'T waste your time when you could be of actual benefit elsewhere. The zealots & newly "converted" of any close minded group WON'T follow logic of ANY kind. But also remember that even YOU crave ritual, so find something or you to will be lost....until we one day advance enough in neurology \/evolutionary biology to figure out exactly why that is know that it just is...morning marital arts, tea ceremony, positive self affirmations, gardening, SOMETHING. Seriously, you obviously don't want to be them, but your ritual can't be trying to fight them w/logic either, you will become disillusioned. Sorry for "parental"('motherly") rant...can't help myself, be better than I was.
@Jesus Saves! Guy, enough with the outdated feelgood brainwashing rhetoric. Maybe if you lot actually had proof of God's existence instead of some cryptic bullshit like "You should know of him by the wind in your hair and the sun in your eyes" or saying "Only the faithful truly know", you won't convince anyone of this scam. Show some actual, solid evidence instead of "Trust me bro!". And no, the Bible is not proof since it was written by man. The Ten Commandments aren't either since they were written by only a few people, on top of a mountain, where no one saw them. Also, Jesus was Jewish.
0 likes@Tomy Dayos You know, something I've noticed is that people always attribute good things to God and Jesus, but anytime something bad happens? Silence. You never hear a quarterback say "Jesus made me drop the ball!". And with God giving man free will, why would he punish them for using it? And if God was truly all knowing, wouldn't he know that Eve was tricked into eating the apple? That makes the aforementioned question even worse. If that is the case, God is a sadist and I would never willingly worship him.
6 likes@Jesus Saves! Does God punish those who do not know about him? Will a tribe on a remote island with no contact with the outside world be sent to hell, just because they arent Christian?
0 likes@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary God gave humans free will. Including the free will to disobey him and to go against his wishes. This is like a wheat plantation, where just those who are the best of the best are going to be collected, and the rest who are selfish, will disapear.
3 likesAnd bad and selfish people blame God for everything, even for their team losing a game. These people do not undestand that a miracle are not meant to happen all the time, they must always have a reason to happen, also humans have their own responsabilities, the duty to better the world, and to have a positive impact, belong to humans.
If there is famine humans are to blame, because its humanity duty to help those in need.
Jesus gave pne example of this is his praying, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”. Basically he was saying that if it was his time to die, that he would accept it. How many people does pray like that? That IS the way that people are meant to pray.
The thing is that those who are good will be collected, and those who aren't will still have a second chance, in the form of a final judgement. If they choose to stay against God, then they will disapear, become ashes, and their ashes will be spread among the world. (The bible never mentioned demons with pitchforks and people burning in oil)
But beware, the bible say that people who are evil and selfish their entire lives with the idea of repenting at the last minute, will find thenselves unable to truly repent from their actions, as years of evil will have hardened their hearts.
@louis ryan It's not just because bad things happen. It's that they describe their god as good and just and loving but let humans get tortured and condemn non-believers to eternal torture.
0 likes@Personell101 yup, either way, he definitely had the heart of a hero.
1 like@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary It is impossible to not know who God is when you truly seek him. God will lead them straight to him no matter where they are on the earth, God will make himself known to them.
2 likesAs God has made everything that you are living on, see, and breathe. These are just one example of the invisible things Paul talks about. An invisible thing for instance, is knowing you should not kill someone. No one has to tell you to not kill someone, you know that in your heart, it is wrong and should not be done.
Another invisible thing in our hearts, worshipping. People naturally worship something (God created us to worship). Many pray to dumb gods, to fake things; put their faith in tarot readings, horoscopes, and ouija boards.
People who are lost and know not God worship these things stated above and many other things. But we are to worship God, love him, choose him, and his ways which are righteous and holy (he does what's best for us, he is extremely loving and caring).
Now that we have named a few invisible things... Invisible things make it apparent that God exists. Ignoring these invisible things like who created the earth, why the clouds are white, and who made the clouds. Taking them for granted (thinking nothing of them), that they are just there because of the false gods and deities who were made up from one's understanding who sought not God... That will lead them to hell. Not seeking the way, the truth, and the life, which is Jesus Christ.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
John 14:6 KJV
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
@Iknowtoomuchable probably took him into heaven
2 likes@Joikax I love how easy it is to shut heathens up by telling them to do anything other than run their mouths online and smell bad.
2 likes@Iknowtoomuchable Jesus sent several brave men who tried to save him, after he'd already gotten himself into this exact same position repeatedly. Those people failed him, they destabilized the cave, failed to properly support it, and refused to listen to the rescue effort who told them to leave the cave alone while he was gone, causing it to collapse. It isn't Christ's fault this guy kept crawling around in dangerous places he shouldn't be in, repeatedly.
3 likes@porc There is no mention of a hell with pitchforks, red demons or people roasting in oil in the bible.
0 likesThe video said that it was not the first time that the man in the video was stuck in a cave, the video said that his childhood friend saved him last time that he got stuck.
0 likes@Hunter
0 likesNice deflection christard
@Jesus Saves!
0 likesYour book was written by lying men.
@Jesus Saves! drank too much of the kool-aid homie,
0 likesDon't you love it when a reply section of a simple comment devolve into a religious debate cus of one zealot spamming bible quotes?
12 likesHave your beliefs, hell even i believe in a god.but please keep them to yourself
@dachel no fr. Like cmon 😭 can we just talk about this video without it devolving into everyone attacking each other
1 like@Alansaurus i guess most of these people are bored and have some time to kill after watching the video. Brings out the worst in us
0 likes@EnthuZ You seem to be one of the very few I see who gets it. I don't know all the answers, and anyone who says that they have all of them are almost certainly lying or misinformed. I have been really self reflecting a lot in life and have learned and come to this same conclusion.
0 likesAfter all, we are given free will it says, and that would mean that anything pushing, pulling, or effecting that free will wouldn't make any sense to me. In truth, I believe we are all something so much bigger then what we have been lead to believe. Free will means that we are responsible for our decisions, and that means we are responsible for owning up to and fixing our own mistakes.
All I can say, is that I have come to realize that faith is the wrong path. An all knowing all powerful god does not require or want you to blindly follow anything, look to truth, facts and use logic. I believe those are the keys to understanding things and building an actual relationship with god, or whatever you want to call it, the name doesn't matter. I think we are here to grow and become what we were meant to be.
Focus on ones self and your own growth is what I would say, look at reality, use truth logic and facts, and follow your "Gut" as we have come to call it. Forget what you have been told or what book you think is telling you the truth, there is no guide other then you, and I think we all already know what to do, we just overthink and let things cloud our vision. It does say the path is straight and narrow after all.
Sincerely,
Also a Self-Proclaimed observer
@Jesus Saves! did you read the parts about how to treat your slaves? Any thoughts on that?
3 likesWish we had a thousand more journalists like him. Modern journalism is yellow.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! "The Holy Bible was written by men directed (led) by the Holy Spirit (God). It is the infallible word of God and not mistranslated. It's the love of wickedness and hate for righteous reproval that the ye do not believe in God. Having no faith because ye love evil more. "
2 likesOh? Why is Jesus depicted as White, a Caucasian man when he ABSOLUTELY was not. Jesus wasnt even his real name, it's anglicized, his ORIGINAL name was "Yeshua", which would be closer to Joshua or Josh.
He forgave the Jews, NOT the Romans taking pleasure in tormenting him. How would they not know what they're doing, while the local leaders, hearing of a massive mob, and knowing the history those mobs have (of brutally dragging out and mudering said local leaders), panic and arrest the man gathering the mob.
At least until the Romans got their hands on it when they adopted it. You cant have your religion show you doing bad... Rome HAS to be God's favorite empire.
Saints were created as a method to bring Heathens into the fold, in the manner of "Look, your gods exist in our religion too, they simply serve ours as a "saint" figure!" to make it more palatable.
And frankly, the "magic powers" part doesnt fit with the story either. What the fuck is the point of having him live among men, and try to be a role model, if he's by DEFAULT got an unfair edge over literally every man woman and child on Earth. Can YOU heal a man's blindness with the wave of your hands? No.
There's also the fact the Garden of Eden story is already known to be ENTIRELY fabricated, and i'm not so sure God and Satan are different figures... Frankly, they may be the SAME figure, though i cant be 100% certain on that. The older versions of God depict a much harsher god willing to do "trust exorcises" such as "lmao sacrifice your firstborn to me, go on do it", which hilariously in the story, has a DEMON tell the man that "hey hold the fuck up, God doesnt actually WANT you to murder a kid, he just made a bet with Satan to see if you'd go through with it", not an Angel or anyone else.
What i do know is Jesus in the currently-locked-away chunk of the bible, depicting his younger years, was a mean fucker. He killled in cold blood, that i know for certain, and that's only a fraction of what he'd done as a child...
What makes more sense? A man who was about as deep in sin as you could get as a child, who had a revelation and sought to right his MANY wrongs in life, becoming a carpenter, possibly using an unusually sharp mind to help people, and preach a way of life that could be summed up as "help others, dont be a dick, it's fine to fuck up but you HAVE to mean it when you try to fix it".
Or a god-empowered special child who's infallible to a T, with no missteps, who "dies for our sins"?
Frankly, i'd go with the view of "this man did nasty shit when he was younger, realized the errors of his ways, and spent his life righting those wrongs, showing that no matter HOW fucked you get, there's always redemption if you simply try."
Oh yeah, also i'd like to point out. The Bible itself warns of False Prophets, and that you should NOT believe everything on Faith Alone. It DIRECTLY states you should still question what you believe.
Like the fact the Bible, despite your blind ignorant faith, has ABSOLUTELY been changed to fit narratives.
Take this infamous quote that's caused UNTOLD suffering:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
The Bible shows time and time again cases of grown men sleeping with other men, and it doesnt raise any eyebrows, it's simply mentioned, as if you would mention a man sleeping with his wife.
HOWEVER, the real translation of that line has several instances proving it's a sin, and will be punished.
Reread it as:
"You shall not lie with a boy as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Or "dont have sex with children, you fucking creep".
Pedophilia is shown time and time again to be a BLATANT sin, and an affront to God.
Homosexuality is not.
These are only a few holes in the book you blindly believe, and refuse to question because you were taught "Faith is the only way, ignore anyone who says otherwise" by your religion, probably your family, DEFINITELY your community, if they're all going to church and getting the same spiel as you did.
Beating people over the head with the Bible, telling them to STOP ASKING QUESTIONS, and to simply "Believe" is, obviously, the exact same strategy a cult uses to indoctrinate new members. Cut off their contacts that arent "their new family", keep them saturated in the rhetoric of the cult, and ensure you grind them down til they simply accept it, any potential cases that would "take them from the path"? Try to radicalize them to such an extreme degree that they simply cant process anything logical in that instance. If you point out the Earth is round, and prove without a doubt it's true, and the person being proven to STILL proclaims the Earth is Flat, even if you ask why they believe so, and poke holes in every single excuse they give, then you've succeeded in your indoctrination. That man will be a Zealot for the rest of his life (unless something DRASTIC happens to undermine that twisted foundation)
God doesnt want you, as stated in your book, to brute force the Bible down people's throats. There's Preaching, then there's Bible Thumping.
The former is presented as an option.
The latter is presented as the only option (and frequently presented over and over), that you must make NOW or something extra really really awful bad will happen to you FOREVER.
I suggest you take a look at the Bible with a Critical Eye, and reexamine your faith. Intentionally poke holes and ask questions, keep in mind the beliefs and customs of the civilizations during those times.
Homosexuality was free, Pedophilia was something the nobles indulged in often, Technology, WHILE CRUDE, could be used to do "miracles", such as returning a man's sight to him. (done via poking a needle into his eye, and sucking out the cataract)
I suspect, if ANY part of Jesus was modified by God, to set him above the rest, it would be his mind. Not beyond what Men could achieve, but being an example of being "superhuman" to the average man, especially in his time, in a sense like Thomas Edison or Einstein was in HIS time.
@Jesus Saves! "Trust in his view and not yours, which is limited." Again. This is BAD. This WILL be used by humans to exploit people, it has in the past, and it continues to be abused. I will admit, a religion DOES require Faith in some degree, even Science does. There are some things we can only guess at or theorize on until we can test further (if we can).
0 likesThe problem is when Faith overtakes reality utterly.
A good chunk of your quotes read as the newer Bible, the "you have inherent sin" is one of them. You DO NOT have Inherent sin, children who die at birth are not doomed to hell for existing, if they were, then clearly that violates the image that your God is kind and benevolent, considering he'd damn children with NO chance in the world to eternal torment forever. For the lulz.
If Eden never happened, the "original sin" never happened.
And it continues to emphasize "Your sin is not something you can fix, you MUST turn to God to fix it for you"
I've seen this manifest as:
Sin
Ask forgiveness from God
Sin again (same sin)
Ask forgiveness again
Sin again
Ask again
Sin again
Ask again.
Does this man deserve to enter heaven because he said the magic Win words?
If a vicious monster who slaughtered hundreds, enjoyed causing torment, and committing every sin in the book except the ONE irreversible sin, were to say "sorry for doing that God i'm a good boy" moments before being shot dead, does he deserve to go to Heaven if he didnt mean a word of it, because he said the Magic Words?
If a heathen man WERE to atone for any wrong, no matter how small, and truly ask forgiveness and try to change himself every time, and die during one of those deeds? Would he DESERVE to go to hell because he didnt believe in a God?
Your religion either becomes a cult of a malicious god, or a vast chunk falls away as the lies and twisting it is, leaving the True Core (if semi-nebulous now due to Time, alas) of it behind.
@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary Exactly. As i'd mentioned in the Rant Wall to the drone, the whole Garden of Eden thing IS actually total bullshit. As with many other aspects.
0 likesNow i believe there could be SOME kind of God. And i know for a fact "guardian angels" and demons exist, i know i believe i've seen them. And of course there's physical proof that both The Flood and Jesus existed in reality.
The Former likely being a fucking NASTY but still, not as the book portrays it.
The Ark likely being a ship hauling livestock, swept up by a wave, possibly a Tsunami, and deposited on a mountain's side.
The "World" flooding for "40 days and nights" likely meaning "our immediate area" and "what felt like a long time of whatever length".
Keep in mind villagers in this time period rarely extended a good ways past their immediate neighbors, let alone much past their country's borders.
@Jesus Saves! "Now that we have named a few invisible things... Invisible things make it apparent that God exists. Ignoring these invisible things like who created the earth, why the clouds are white, and who made the clouds. Taking them for granted (thinking nothing of them), that they are just there because of the false gods and deities who were made up from one's understanding who sought not God... That will lead them to hell. Not seeking the way, the truth, and the life, which is Jesus Christ."
0 likesYou're just spewing nonsensical bullshit at this point...
"why are the clouds white" because of the composition of the atmosphere, pressure, and general climate. It's effectively a giant cloud of evaporated water, which light reflects off to say to the messy ball of sensors in our eyes "yea that's white"
Evolution and the simple rules of the universe dictated our planet would be round, our lack of knowledge tells us "we're special because we're the only life in the universe" but frankly, that's practically impossible.
Instinct (when it properly functions) tells us not to kill humans, because of several reasons, one of which is our primitive brain wired for survival, and socialization, and a more primitive "if you do that you're fucking ruined". Alongside Empathy of course.
This IS NOT Human-exclusive, but again we're the only ones who understand what we say/can broadcast we have it. With other species we have to simply guess what they're thinking or saying.
Crows have funerals, are smart enough to build and even design things, and solve some pretty god damn complex problems.
They might even have a god of their own? Who knows.
You keep saying "those who seek god will find him", but HOW does god ensure people "find him", and if he's available enough to guide new people, but not to aid the older followers, or those in a crisis, what does that say? Is it a revolving door relationship?
How do you know their god isnt YOUR god, but with a different name?
Islam has different rules, and a different prophet, but has the same God, called "Allah" (which translates to God), is Allah a "false god" because he's your god but with a different label?
And, again, how WOULD they know to "seek him" to begin with, if they dont know he's there?
Do you know if there's a giant sinkhole under your home, with no evidence to point towards it? No. If you found out, you're either told or find signs of it yourself that say "SINKHOLE HERE".
Again more holes, again more mindless belief without question.
@John Everett Exactly this.
2 likesI'd like to point out saying "Faith is the Wrong Path" does give the idea of "Dont have faith", rather than "Have Faith, IN MODERATION.", but the rest does sum up a bunch of things.
@Alex "Why did r/atheism leak into this comment chain"
0 likesDid you even read the chain? It started with evangelists who saw a way to abuse this tragedy like the many people who contributed to it.
@Duck Meat
"Why are atheist get a hard on to say he didn't go to heaven?"
You're no better than the people who lied to end the commotion over this story, caring more about owning the atheists (who never said what you claim) than about the issue at hand.
Just let the words of the believers in this thread show you the quality of their stock.
@Krikenemp Redditor
1 like@Tomy Dayos "God gave humans free will."
0 likesI stopped reading there because that act, if it did happen, was necessarily evil. I'll even call it the most evil act that is possible. Think about it, there were only two options here:
1. Give humans free will.
2. Don't give humans free will.
Option 1 means that it is possible for people to experience the worst possible fate.
Option 2 means that it is not possible for people to experience the worst possible fate.
If Satan is evil for trying to get people sent to Hell (figuratively or literally), then surely it must be true that making it possible to be sent to Hell in the first place is a greater evil still.
It is taken for granted that free will is a good thing, but I doubt anyone can give me a single reason to justify it. Can you tell me ANYTHING that is worth option 1 which cannot be achieved by option 2? The only response you could make is something equivalent - that the best possible fate is only possible by having free will... but we already know that isn't the case in Christianity.
Even the Bible itself says that it would be better to not be born at all than to spend eternity in Hell. If my words can't convince you that this is evil, surely the very word of God should (which should then convince you that either you worship an evil God who at best tells you so and at worst deceives you into thinking he is good, or a fable made up by men who failed to see how evil of a God they created if they didn't just intend it to be so).
@Fiddle Sticks "I love how easy it is to shut heathens up by telling them to do anything other than run their mouths online and smell bad."
0 likesShould you really be celebrating an ad-hom as if it were a knockout argument? Seems juvenile.
"It isn't Christ's fault this guy kept crawling around in dangerous places he shouldn't be in, repeatedly."
Sure, but it is his fault if he in fact attempted to save the guy but failed (you did make the claim that he send the help). I mean, humans have an excuse for failure - we're fallible. So if God wanted something done, but chose to have fallible people do it rather than do it perfectly himself, doesn't that seem strange? It's almost as if God can't do anything humans can do, or he didn't actually want that action done, or maybe he just doesn't exist.
@John Everett I agree with and respect most of what you said, but because I respect your position, I will throw in my two cents where I disagree.
0 likes"After all, we are given free will it says"
Does it say that? Like explicitly? Or is that an interpretation? I'd be interested in seeing the passage.
"follow your "Gut""
This is essentially "having faith" though. It's quite the opposite of using facts and logic, so I'm confused why you would include it here. I think we should be eliminating our gut from our decisions as much as possible. Can it be correct? Yes, on accident, but why rely on accidents?
"there is no guide other then you"
We should use the findings of others to guide us - we would not have made it this far otherwise - but with a healthy dose of skepticism in everything. And I mean everything. Others should only guide, not define.
None of this really requires a God to do, so I would suggest using these pathways to investigate his existence as well, if you do not already. What could it hurt if it's in service of following the correct path? Either it will lead you to God in a more assured way, or it will lead you to what is actually true.
@Krikenemp God gave him more chances than he deserved, and in the end it was man who failed him and God who took him away to somewhere better, where there's no caves for him to get stuck in all the damn time. God literally wove self preservation and higher thinking into our very fiber, yet everyone in this story neglected those gifts.
0 likesHow are we meant to truly live without the threat of our actions having consequences? I know you live an inconsequential life and nothing you personally do matters because you refuse to live a worthy life, but that doesn't mean the rest of us want to live in the dull, grey, empty existence you prefer. I want a life where I can die painfully, where I have to be on my toes. You spit in God's face despite the gifts we all have been given.
@Tomy Dayos free will doesn’t exist
0 likes@Alex why did r/Christianity leak into this comment chain
1 like@Jesus Saves! No one cares
1 like@MK Ultra not really no
0 likes@Tomy Dayos free will does not exist and your god is evil
0 likes@Fiddle Sticks Jesus didn’t send anyone.
0 likes@Mister Majestic False. Did you watch the video?
0 likes@Fiddle Sticks Jesus was not involved at all. He’s dead and gone.
1 like@Mister Majestic Your comment reeks of cap and low testosterone. What's the deal little guy?
0 likes@Mister Majestic lol infidel
0 likes@MK Ultra what
0 likes@Jesus Saves! If you need Jesus to be a good person, you are not a good person.
4 likesMy nigga was a real one for real
0 likes@m16fermy MAH NIGGA! OUR LIVES MATTER!
0 likesMaybe after going for the notoriety he felt guilty for exploiting this dying man and couldn't live with accepting any serious compensation/profit for it. Maybe he went in the exploitative douche and emerged a real man.
1 likeBruh like 90% of these comments are irrelevant religion talk lmao.
0 likesImagine not having a life
@Emperor Ambrose O’Leary God got all horny and knocked up Eve. She gave birth to Caine and Abel. Later Adam got all horny and knocked up Eve. She gave birth to... uh... Seth? I'm pretty sure the 3rd son was Seth. Jesus came waaaaay later and then the Roman's got mad at him so they 86'd him. I miss Jesus. He was the best wingman I've ever had.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! "It is impossible to not know who God is when you truly seek him." We all know who the god in the bible is. His name is Yaweh. Moses made a bloodpact with him. Hilarity ensued. I prefer Buddah over Yaweh. Buddah seems like a much more chill god than Yaweh. And of course the TRUE god... THE REAL god and not some deity whipping humans around... the ACTUAL god is YOU. THE TRUE GOD IS WITHIN AND WITHOUT. GOD IS THE WHOLE OF THE UNIVERSE, AND YOU ARE A PART OF THE WHOLE.
0 likes@FearAndLoathingMedia lol you called him Homie? You like speaking Ebonics?
0 likes@Hiriko Silver It's all Jesus Save's fault, he brought it up. Also you gotta lay off the anime. That shit is bad for your health.
0 likes@Lion Naw he ended up losing his job and had to resort to prostitution.
0 likes@Krikenemp lol you don't like free will? If you didn't have free will then you'd be a perma-slave. That's why Enki (the serpent) the chief geneticist of the Elohim (Annunaki, the Sumerian/Mesopotamian/Babylonian gods that genetically engineered us) tempted Adam and Eve to eat the apple, which is a metaphor for Enki upgrading our DNA so we have free will. Original we were born and bred as slave labor. So... nah, I prefer having free will. Makes things more exciting, albeit bloody, like with Cain and Abel. Daaaaamn Cain be so jealous loololololol.
0 likes@Krikenemp lulwut? You thinking upgrading a race (the humans) created as slaves in the first place getting their DNA upgraded to have free will is evil? Naw yo, Enki gave us free will because he felt sorry for us. Then Enki and his fellow Elohim started banging human woman and that's when things got weird. But anyways if we didn't have free will then we'd be total slaves, instead of partial slaves like we are now. I prefer being a partial slave.
0 likes@Krikenemp lol you don't like having free will? The alternative (not having free will) is to be a slave essentially.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! Me when ignore millions of Christians who suffers from mental illness
1 like@Lex Bright Raven Evidently they don't read God's word and stick close to him, what does that say about them being Christians? When one casts all their cares upon God, he will take them!
1 likeGod being our heavenly father who protects his from so much already, will certainly take away any mental burden one of his children are carrying! How could one do the will of the Father if they're walking around depressed or anxious all the time? He doesn't want them to be depressed, anxious, etc. They would have to give it to him, trust in him, and lean on him on the matter! ❤️
1 Peter 5:7 KJV
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
John 14:27 KJV
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Say 🌍 what 🤔
0 likesWere 🌎 made 🤔 in 🌍 HIS 🌎 image 🤔. HE 🌍 made 🌎 us 🤔 with 🌍 the 🌎 p 🤔ower of free choice
A good prayer:
I'm a sinner JESUS please forgive me for all my sins I know you shed your Blood for me on the cross at Calvary. Thank you JESUS for my salvation and for shedding they Blood for me. I love you JESUS.
Romans 10:5/10 ct...❤️k
JESUSisLord!Amen...
Amen..
If you'd like to call someone who cares
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Truth.
bc you don't know when you'll die?
.y r u hesitant.
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@Power Press Clips gay *EDIT* lol ur comment got hidden.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! God wants you to go make him a sandwich.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! You're clearly lost. Here's some relevant verses; Matthew 6:5-8
0 likes"5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
Guess what? Not only are you not saving souls, you've condemned yourself to hellfire by believing that his word is not powerful enough to draw his children on its own (which is blasphemy). He doesn't need you to proceletyze, if anything you're pushing people away with your conceited self-righteous arrogance.
For effect: Matthew 7:5-8
"5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
YOU'RE NO DOORMAN TO HEAVEN, YOU ARE NOT ST. PETER. REPENT BY DELETING YOUR ACCOUNT OR BE CONDEMNED TO ETERNAL HELLFIRE
Tragedies like these often unintentionally end up revealing something very optimistic about human beings.
0 likes@Jesus Saves! Jesus wants you to save your breath and stop being such an annoying bible thumper.
1 like@MK Ultra You've got a based name and your elegance with religious folks is astounding. May Jesus [CENSORED] your [CENSORED] real good. Amen.
1 like@ordinary name lol PRAISE TEH LORD
1 like@MK Ultra I find it funny that they'd rather pray to a book than take a tab and see for themselves. We are insignificant flesh suits, soon to be dead. Imagine restricting your fleeting time alive because a thousand year old book said so.
0 likes@ordinary name Humans have been religiously conditioned since inception, it's by design. To worship means to work for. The earliest recorded civilizations (like Sumeria, 6000 years ago) had humans worshiping different gods, hence all the religious conflicts. Enki versus Enlil, Zeus versus Odin, Quetzalcoatl versus so-and-so, Yaweh versus everyone who wasn't Yaweh, yadda yadda. Then, after Jesus got [CENSORED] by the Roman Empire because they didn't like him [CENSORED] them in their [CENSORED] and their [CENSORED] the Romans held multiple councils in Nycea and created the Roman Catholic Church, which worships Yaweh, and pays tribute to Jesus, often getting the two confused with each other. One of them was/is still a bloodthristy vengeful god who demands worship, the other one was one of the most friendly, coolest wingman you cold ever have who could turn water into wine and who abhorred idolatry. The word catholic means universal. Nowadays there are still other gods kicking around but Yaweh is the one that won the big wars back in the day.
0 likesThe fuck did this thread turn into because of one bot?
0 likesmore like Pulitzer needs to raise it's standards. Inventing new awards to offset the degradation of old ones is detrimental even when you use that as a metaphor. I agree; he acted honorably in that. It's disappointing that his actions are worthy of surprise, though.
0 likes@MK Ultra Straight busta'.
0 likes@dachel Wouldn't you have to keep your beliefs to yourself too? Y'know, how you want people to be Religious in silence and echo chambers?
0 likes@John Everett You have faith in yourself, your friends and family, right?
0 likes@blackneos940 FOH REEEEEEL! NOW SHIZZLE MAH NIZZLE!
0 likes@Tatenda Nyashanu You really think Jesus Saves is a bot?
0 likes@blackneos940i should have been more clear, no i don't want people in echo chambers i just hate when people spam blindly unrelated stuff in the replys
0 likesPlease do more like this! such an incredible and heart wrenching story! One of the best i've seen on YT!
0 likesWhat a story,, damn was hoping he would be saved. That's really sad. I'm from KY and this is the first time I've heard of this story. Thank you from making this video on it.
1 likeThe scene where the two grave robbers flung Floyd to the sky together with this ridiculous animation made me feel so bad about myself for laughing.
0 likesThis is quite a video, over an hour long and i watched it twice already. An amazing work of story telling
1 likeI love this type of content ngl I hope you do more stuff like this in the future
4 likesOne thing you have to acknowledge is just how fantastic a brother Homer was.
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And how garbage of a father Lee was.
1004 likesHomer the homie
546 likesReal OG homie.
139 likesthe journalist was pretty brave guy too. and with solid morals at the end.
690 likes@Etwibior Agreed. Those two (and the brothers' childhood friend) really gave the rest a run for their money. Despite all the adversity, those two were heroes in every respect.
526 likes@Etwibior Absolutely, it's really impressive and kind of alarming how basically only three people had the guts to get in there and help the Floyd.
300 likes@Art Burnell
218 likesThis just proves humanity has always been the same, don't believe people who say the world is getting worse, the only difference between then and now is that now we can see and hear things happening around the world in a easier fashion.
@Aldia, Scholar of the first sin Oh yes I know, Earth sucks lol. Definitely good people out there but the majority are just a neutral at best.
20 likesHomer really hit me close to home. I'd do anything for my brothers, and I can't even imagine how he felt throughout all this
92 likesAnd the saddest thing was the guilt probably weighed on him for the rest of his life despite him doing his absolute best
138 likes@Anaya Grey Hard to say, in some circumstances that fact that he did everything he could might assuage the guilt some, whereas not having done everything he could would have definitely wrecked him forever.
19 likesAnd when Homer's brother finally died he said "D'Oh!"
2 likesReminds me of if something happened to my brother… god that is a truly painful thing to experience
9 likes@Art Burnell given that he spent a fair amount of time exhausted and sick, which all feel way less bad when you remember them, i bet he felt like he couldve done a lot more. very heart wrenching tale all around
31 likesHomer was a chad.
24 likes"He ain't heavy, he's my brother."
If just 1-2 more people had volunteered to help dig out Floyd, he would've lived.
17 likesThat just really hits you in the gut.
@Pax not only that but had people not camped in the cave entrance the tunnel wouldn't have collapsed.
35 likesWe should all be so lucky to have a brother like Homer.💪
3 likes@jano Gabor Strong sibling bonds often form under terrible fathers.
10 likes@Pax Just 1 or 2 thin people, mind you. There is a good chance they were more, but could not fit that small hole. And hey, lot of people actually helped the way they could.
0 likesThis is one of the best things I have ever seen just incredible work thank you to all involved 👍
0 likesI watch true crime and horror movies almost everyday, and this is one of the few times I don’t think I can finish something. That cave zoom out made me nauseous
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0 likesWhen 1 hour feels like 20 min... Those videos are so amazing. Thanks so much for that great entertainment guys. Realy great work !!! <3
1 likeEvery time he describes someone as thin, I think 'This man's gonna be a hero!'
0 likesNever in my life did I think an internet historian video would make me feel so tense. What a wild story.
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Didn't expect you here lol
187 likesI’m a man of YouTube culture 😂
316 likes@ThatDudeinBlue Welcome!
19 likesHe started watching Bedtime Stories.
21 likes@ThatDudeinBlue I love that for you lol
7 likesI am five minutes in and I've already compressed down into neutronium from the cringe and dread.
46 likesYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
3 likes@Jamie Jenson I'm 3 minutes in and the anxiety from listening to this is painful.
34 likesheyyyyy, what are you doing here anyways??
1 like@ThisNameIsFake it gets worse
11 likesWild and morbid af.
1 likeOmfg, the same! I have claustrophoby, so I will never visit another cave in my life
5 likes@ThatDudeinBlue Internet Historian collaboration incoming?
6 likesI'm honestly sad I watched another video on this a few months ago so I can't experience this fully
1 likeWhat are you talking about? What about VPN man? Suspense, romance, tradgedy. Plenty of tension
1 likeSeeing you here is an unexpected surprise, but a welcome one !
0 likes@Attigator Imagine Internet historian covering Japanese or American drift culture.
1 likeHey im a fan of your channel too didn’t expect to see you here
0 likesWhat the hell, hey dude
0 likesCame here to say this
0 likes@Jackson Guillory and then it gets better, luckily.
0 likesIt's not wild. It's real.
0 likesI legit just commented something similar to this lol
0 likesWassup David, just got finished watching that s2k swapped starlet.
3 likesNever in my life did I think I would see an Internet Historian video be posted without at least a 6 month gap
2 likesThis story has been told many times on youtube, way better, don't know why he bothered.
0 likes@Anti Hey it was a 5 month gap lol look at his last upload lol
0 likesThe only thing that made me realize its going to have a happy ending is the fact that we know so many details so the guy must survive to tell the story right?
6 likesI'm only 10 mins in
@BeanDaddy DoggRatt that’s why i insinuated that i was surprised that there was one before a 6 month gap
0 likesOne of us! One of us! Hoooyah!
1 likeIn a bad way too.
0 likesmaking this in black and white with recommended minimum brightness enhanced the experience drastically
3 likesHows those balls taste?
0 likes@Ae86 Hachi Why? Is he gay?
0 likes@السراق المجهول Do you thrive on sadness?, or are you joking
0 likes@Felix Drifts litterally everytime a youtuber comments. Every time
0 likes@edgedg im just appreciating the presentation of the video wtf is wrong with you
0 likesDUUUUUUUUUUUDE IN BLUUEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesSame man, it's a nightmare scenario.
0 likesNot trying to advertise here, but Scary Interesting has a TON of terrifying videos about caves!!
4 likesI had to take breaks.
0 likesMe too
1 like@السراق المجهولIdk what, the video is unsually and unexpectedly grim and sad.
1 likeNever in my life did I think we'd get another IH upload
0 likesWas literally just talking about you with a coworker.. not where I thought I'd see your name next lol
0 likes@ThatDudeinBlue Hey David! Wassup? Great minds, on occasion, do think alike! Cool cars and Internet Historian = Good times❗
1 likeI just got in from a long day and intended to take a nap and fall asleep on a video but nooooo this kept me glued and wide awake the whole time.
0 likesWas so sad when found out he had died. Hope he did indeed go to heaven
Never look up "Nutty Putty Caves".
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0 likes@ThatDudeinBlue a man for the people
0 likesHe is a great story teller
0 likes@Felix Drifts Stop saying that.
0 likes@ThatDudeinBlue Did Floyd piss his pants while trapped down there?
0 likes@ThisNameIsFake lmao you silly anxious thing you. Relax.
1 like@ThatDudeinBlue damn right you are
0 likesI've never got so much anxiety from a YouTube video.
0 likesI was about to cry throughout multiple parts of it
0 likesYeah facts
1 like@Attigator I would 10000% do it.
2 likesSome crazy stories from shady car companies would be fun.
@Diogenes' Lantern m...ol
0 likes@Patrick W. Dunne This comment reads like a bot.
0 likesNeat
0 likesI don't know who you are, but I feel like we're brothers.
0 likesIt feels cool. Worth watching
0 likesOh boy, just DO NOT bring yourself in situations where it is VERY likely that you will suffer a very unpleasant death.
0 likesI was almost not able to watch through this. What a freaking NIGHTMARE.
Omg I know... really really great videp
1 likeLmfao mr street car reviewer
1 likeyeah, but the Gentleman Pirate video catched me even more
0 likesJust shows how talented and how much range this man has
0 likesYO THE MY FAVOURITE CAR GUY IS EHRE WTF
1 likeI always come to Internet Historian to feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable
0 likesI had to watch the add just to calm down.
0 likesEcclesiastes 12:13-14
0 likes13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
He should just be an actual historian he’s good
0 likes@Dingle Flop I’ll make sure to check him out
0 likesthen the advertisement hits you...
0 likesOscar worthy
0 likesTurn to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God who died for our sins and God raised Him from the dead on the 3rd day. He loves us more than anyone. He created us and loves us. Call upon His name! Heaven and Hell are real places. We need to repent and turn to Him. We have all sinned against God. Pray and seek Him. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
0 likes“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Acts 2:38-39 KJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6 KJV
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 KJV
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
“And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:9-13 KJV
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Hebrew 9:27-28 KJV
“And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:35-40 KJV
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.” Matthew 10:28-31 KJV
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 10:32-33 KJV
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13 KJV
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:5-6 KJV
“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” Colossians 1:13-20 KJV
“Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
2 Philippians 2:4-11 KJV
“Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:1-21 KJV
“But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” John 20:24-31 KJV
I put this on to take a quick nap and got sucked in, trapped. No nap and now running late
0 likesI was so on the edge of my seat the hole time.
0 likesTense, alright Jeez
0 likesDang, Internet Historian is now produced by Netflix. Wtf?!
0 likes@ThatDudeinBlue I made it as far as 4:32
0 likesPretty sure I'm done. It's too much. My life is stressful enough.
I did not expect That Dude In Blue...
0 likes@Khant In Me too
0 likesMe too
0 likesThat's because you don't think
1 likeGo back doing your car reviews
0 likesVery good storytelling
0 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likesu mean the cruise ship video wasnt nail biting enough?
0 likesYou can barely tell he narrated the entire video while taking a shit. The man is on the cutting edge of fecel content creation.
0 likes@Diogenes' Lantern aa3 qqq%@
0 likesBLACKPINK - 'Shut down' with 𝘩𝘪𝘱-𝘩𝘰𝘱 vibes dr𝚘pped : Listen
0 likes@ThatDudeinBlue culture indeed. What's up, TDIB?
0 likesfr
0 likesYeah, this one was not exactly afun story like furries takin over a hotel
1 likeThe storytelling and delivery was perfectly timed.
0 likesAbsolutely insane story. Great documentary as usual, Internet Historian. Bravo. And also, rest in peace, Floyd Collins. bows head
0 likesThis is honestly so good, well done IH. More please?
0 likesSo sad that wendigoon buried himself alive with both hands jammed at his sides and one leg crushed then crushed his own torso with the force of 6 men against the top of the cave and blew up his own internal organs by stretching himself out via rope pull. He will be dearly missed.
7 likesI have now watched this about five times all the way through. This is one of the worst situations I can imagine experiencing.
4 likesHearing that even after his death, Floyd was trapped once more in the cave, not by the force of the cave itself, but by a person whose prerogative was to profit off of this tragedy, makes me feel a kind of queasiness unlike anything else. So relieved that at long last he was given a proper burial. May he rest in peace.
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Yeah it's pretty haunting.
11 likesI felt a queasiness throughout the whole video once he died. Even with how it ended... It's just really disappointing, I guess
19 likesThe reason he was even trapped there in the first place was in an effort to turn the cave into a tourist attraction and bring people in. In an ironic twist of fate, he himself ended up becoming the spectacle. Still a bit of a mindfck to me.
63 likes@Pop P To me though, the difference is in the fact that that was his family's land, and in that time, the best opportunity you had was to profit off your land; it was the basis of capitalism.
27 likesWhereas, everything that happened afterwards was the worst kind of perversion of society, imo
@Andrew Simmer what happened afterwards represents the darkest sides of capitalism...
9 likesbut don't get me wrong , i would still choose capitalism over comunism every day
@Dan Kanerva I agree, just seems to exaggerate the flaws
3 likesIt just goes to show the extent people will go to make a quick buck. Radix malorum est cupiditas "The root of all evil is the love of money."
8 likeswell, the feller was dead anyways, innit ? now time to go dig up the queens elizabeths corpse for monetary gain ey
0 likes@Pop P And to think this isn't the last time this sort of thing happened...some dude was embalmed that he turned into a wood like statue.
1 likeHumanity is a slave to greed
0 likesHe was reburried in Crystal Cave, a cave that he discovered and is the whole reason he's at Sand to begin with. But IH clearly couldn't be bothered to tell the story truthfully and had to make up shit the whole way through.
0 likesFantastic story telling in this one, i was invested the entire way though it. Crazy story.
0 likesThere is a musical about this story and it’s actually beautiful to listen to despite the harrowing story
0 likesI'd love to see him do a video on the emu wars that Australia somehow lost twice. I don't know much about it but it sounds like a hilarious topic
0 likesThis was so interesting and well done. Nothing has held my attention like this for a while
0 likesThis is without a doubt, one of the saddest stories of false hope I've seen. A great, suspenseful video but a sad tale. Rest easy, floyd.
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Damn I should not have been reading comments 5 mins in. Rip Floyd.
30 likes@Aidan Insua oof
0 likes@Aidan Insua I’m glad I did tbh I can’t take false hope!!
2 likesGOD. DAMMIT!!!! ..thanks, youtube Chud person.
1 like..lmao, seriously tho, I made it 32 minutes and I think 14 ads into this vid before reading that he doesn’t even make it. God. DAMMIT. AGAIN.
And the fact that it took them that long to just properly lay his body to rest makes it worse
0 likesi mean the could have just boarded up the mouth of the cave and used machinery
0 likes@Aaron Macy teehee :3c
2 likes@Padlock Steve Do you think they could have made it airtight with what they had available at the time?
0 likesMy heart genuinely sunk when Floyd was confirmed dead. What a disheartening and unsatisfying conclusion.
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sorry but the story isnt scripted so he couldn't do much about it
0 likes@I dunno lol
0 likesI’m barely into the video and I’m already inspired by how good of a brother Homer is.
3 likesMan I'm so excited to spend the rest of my life staying the fuck out of caves 😁
1 likeFuck’s sake…that’s such a depressing, heartbreaking story!! My God!
2 likesLeave it to Internet Historian to make this so entertaining and hilarious! 😂
What a painful yet beautiful story. Homer's dedication to his brother showed how much character he had.
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The sad thing is, the three men could have done it without everyone else getting in the way.
86 likes@Amelia Bee Yeah if there were less people they might actually did it, though granted the man might need to be amputated or lose his legs but still at least more chances and the cave wouldn't crumble that fast.
0 likesThat's how family should be.
2 likes@Amelia Bee true that.
2 likesI keep coming back to rewatch/listen. This is truly one of a kind, I crave more!
1 likeI once got a blank check when I was 16. It was my first job and I was an employee at a small thrift store, so the boss gave everyone checks directly. Unfortunately, my boss was an old guy who had been trying to sell the store and retire for years and an all around awesome person, so it was practically impossible for anyone who wasn't either a sociopath or being held at gunpoint to take advantage of it without saying anything.
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what exactly is a blank check?
1 likepls do more like this, this was some of the best shit i have seen on Youtube lately, its really good and really well made ! much respect
0 likesits a celebration when a well made internet historian video is released. its the perfect thing to listen to. already watched it 5 times
1 likeIn some kind of ironic twist, it was Miller's fault that thousands of tourists camped outside the cave which caused the cave to lose its integrity, which inevitably caused the cave-in. Homer almost singlehandedly saved Floyd on his own. Yeah actually I'm doubling down on this opinion: the government did too little too late. Did they really have no way to redirect the engine's fumes out of the cave? It's not rocket science, literally just a tupe going from the exhaust all the way out of the cave would be sufficient. So even though Miller personally was a great help, what he did with spreading the story is eventually what caused their downfall.
1 likeWOW!! Such a great Doc, I was glued to the end. Magical storytelling
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0 likesSo I understand that they eventually got Crystal Cave open to get guys down to the crystals Floyd found. But this was due to much more equipment digging down to it. My question was if Floyd has cleared out that hole and made it through. I must say he truly must’ve been crazy to think people would go through all that to see a crystal cave.
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I also thought about that but I suppose he wanted to make sure the cave could be reached so someone could access it before widening the whole entrance so it would be more accessible
1 like@char confusing part that messes with me is all the records say Floyd found Crystal cave before going into sand cave for the first time. I kinda want to visit the park and ask a park ranger the details.
0 likes@Alexander Forrest I think you might be getting confused because of the names? The cave wasn't known as "Sand Cave" until media started calling it that. He called it Great Crystal Cave because while exploring it, he found that grotto.
0 likesBut yeah, it would be really cool to visit the park. I would like to actually get a feel for the proper size of it all, looking at pictures even the cave entrance looks to small for me to ever think about going into it myself!
@char ah I see now. That makes more sense.
0 likesI really enjoyed this video and there's clearly been a lot of work put into the editing, but the script is almost word-for-word plagiarized from a 2018 Mental Floss article written by Lucas Reilly titled "The 1925 Cave Rescue That Captivated the Nation". It's fine to dramaticize someone else's writing, but you have to credit the orginal author for their work.
2 likesThe reason Floyd was even trapped there in the first place was in an effort to turn the cave into a spectacle and a tourist attraction and bring people in. In an ironic twist of fate, although it became an attraction, he himself ended up becoming the spectacle.
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Monkey paw trembles
178 likesQuite, in the ironic and morbid way, he managed it.
42 likesIn an even more ironic twist of fate, the tourism to the cave is what killed him in the end
135 likesTruly a "be careful what you wish for" moment
28 likesLiterally the plot of Nope
11 likesAnd the reason the cave collapsed was because the tourists outside with the fires. If his entrapment had not been a tourist attraction then maybe they would have been able to save him.
38 likesDamn, never mess with caves
3 likesBeautifully put.
1 likeHe also massively overestimated the caving prowess of everyone else, since he had been doing it his whole life. Nothing he could have done would have ever made that crystal room viable for tourism.
23 likesBe very specific and heartfelt when u wish/manifest things into this life.
1 likeHere in the Twilight zone
0 likeshis dad sold the land with him in it knowing the clause like "its what he would have wanted"
0 likes@Caleb Hagen lmao yeah, with the exploitation of Floyd as a spectacle to a point where theres a whole ass carnival really reminds me of NOPE
0 likesThe Internet Historian is a god amongst mere mortals when it comes to the quality of his videos. One of my all time favorite things that came out of the invention of the internet.
5 likesKnowing that he passed soon after the light bulb went out, I hope he wasn’t conscious to see it go out. I hope he wasn’t aware when he was plunged back into darkness, and that he fell asleep one last time to that small, minuscule comfort of light and heat, at the very least.
2 likesWhen they tried the rope pull you can just use a hook to keep the rope attached to the ground so he would be pulled backwards and not upwards.
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I don't think that would've worked considering the force needed to pull him out and how would they have attached the hook?
0 likesOne of the best stories I ever heard. Not just a context but how it was delivered. Thank you for the amazing documentary
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0 likesFor essentially a random journalist with no personal stake in this story, Miller is an unbelievable badass
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For real, man could've just gone back after being turned down, after getting enough material to write his article or even after it gained national attention, but he stayed and he actually helped instead of gawking and asking pointless questions. All for the sake of some stranger that wasn't even important.
76 likesForget about being a great journalist. Miller was a great guy, period.
Hasan
1 likeit's literally crazy especially when he was like, 22?????! What a guy
2 likesThrillingly, excellently executed video. Mad props, my man! 🍻
0 likesTop tier video, amazing in-depth explanation and everything. Keep it up!
1 likeOne of the best documentaries I've ever seen, hands down, as well as one of the best told stories I've heard.
2 likesI rarely feel compelled to comment on videos but this was so well done and I was sucked in the whole time. Keep it up!
5 likesIt's amazing how many people can show up to this sort of scene without providing a single drop of useful help.
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... and then start partying.
126 likesApparently many tried at least. Having crawled under a house in a really tight space once I can say it really takes a lot to convince yourself to squeeze into a narrow passage. Add to that the cuts, scrapes, lack of vision and breathing difficulty and you might understand that all the desire to do good in the world might not be enough to get you in such a hole. Also bet a lot of people simply wouldn't fit either.
89 likes@samtheweebo I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't even try to pretend I would. That shit is terrifying. Props to anyone brave enough to do so, and I really mean that
48 likes@KillaAhmadilla and then start criticizing the people that are actually helping.
14 likes@Claud I think that's just human behavior though. Criticizing or giving advice to others might've been their way to try and "help", since they couldn't directly help by going through the gap.
13 likesPeople often overestimate their knowledge of fields they know nothing about. Inversely, experts often underestimate their knowledge and experience in their field. Only consult with experts, never with mere bystanders. Even now I'm just paraphrasing Vsauce, I'm no expert lol
11 likesJust like high school. Group project of 5, one does all the work while the rest sit around and BS.
3 likesYeah they literally spent a copius amount of time to come there just to be useless
0 likesHumanity in a nutshell
0 likesProbably for the best; every stupid idea or clumsy individual could just lead to more lives at risk
1 like@this is a social experiment its like that bell curve of knowledge-confidence. people with surface level knowledge are much more confident than someone with a little more experience, and that curve only goes back up when someone becomes an expert
1 likeI am only 49 minutes and 56 seconds in
1 likeIt is f*ing brutal. Every time it sounds like they are about to succeed I realize how much more video there is to go and sure enough the line of “but nooooo” immediately follows.
This is so f*ing nerve wracking.
Internet Historian has gone so beyond cool, that he ended up in 1925; decades before the internet.
0 likesThe sad, lonely death of Floyd Collins is one of my favorite storys ever, but it has kept me up at night. I just wanted to let you all know that All That's Interesting did an excellent article about Floyd Collins.
0 likesthis is actually pretty good lol always love the way you tell stories
0 likesI think the tragic irony of the whole thing is that he originally went down there knowing he could make it into a tourist attraction, and ultimately it did become an attraction because of him.
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Also it seems like he had no plans to stabilize or reinforce the cave. So even if he had not been stuck down there, surely a tourist would have been trapped at some point
215 likesWell he did make the cave famous after all.
34 likesBig oof.
5 likes@Groovy Gunslinger yeah that's what confused me, it sounded like it took an extremely fit person with a specific build/bone structure to even get to where he was stuck, yet collins was making a hole beyond that point to the crystal cavern? why didn't he widen the area closer to the entrance first then work his way towards the cavern after his initial discovery of it?
119 likes@Calamity Sangfroid Collin's cave likely would not have gotten many visitors because he underestimated just how good of a caver he was. The fact he didn't try widening the squeeze first, and instead just went through to try to make an entrance to the other side shows he didn't understand most tourists would not have his level of experience. He probably understood that when he was trapped there, as only 4 people managed to get to him to help him.
142 likesIt's sad, but it gets even sadder knowing that if he was successful completing that entrance, he likely would not have made the income he had hoped. So at the end of the day, it was all futile.
Now that you put it this way......yeah lol
3 likesI assume the idea was to probably open up another entrance elsewhere once he got into the cave proper
14 likesHe BECAME the tourist attraction
10 likesIt's almost Karma in a way like the tourist ended up worsening his condition it's like the cave is punishing him for his greed.
15 likesThe bigger irony here is that he wanted the cave system to be a tourist attraction, but when a bunch of people started showing up the cave collapsed in on itself. His goal was doomed from the start.
44 likesContinuing here, part of the downfall also came from paranoia. Had he trusted his friend and brother to help or at leasr get more involved in the excavation, the perhaps the cave could be cleared out earlier and safer too.
20 likesThere are so many things that were raising red flags from the start. The best we could do is learn from them and never give up the tenacity when it comes to savung people.
That's some monkey's paw shit.
0 likes@Groovy Gunslinger well...he didnt really get a chance to do so, so we have no idea what his plans were.
0 likesThe definition of a monkey’s paw bargain.
0 likes@TheNapster153 sorry but your comment makes no sense to me. Like floyd had already showed trust and confidence that most likely 99% of humans stuck in that position could never. But the nail in the coffin was probably when the whole cave just collapsed. Had it not collapsed he would have made it out alive. Again, What Paranoia? He already had no food for months and when the cave collapsed his hope died. I don't blame Floyd.
2 likesIn my lore he was a warrior until the end and prolly died because of lack of food. At least he died doing what he loved.
@Just A Man of Culture First off, he was trapped for days, not months. Second, paranoia as in the caving business, not the part where hr got trapped. The cave tourism was his city's source of income, and there were already people straight up attacking him to get the rights to the cave.
10 likesThere's also the fact that the proper equipment needed for the work he was doing would've brought a lot of unwanted attention on hi. So yeah, he easily could've been paranoid of people WANTING HIS CAVE. Enough to warrant him doing work solo.
It's disgusting how the horrid parts of humanity wouldn't leave him alone even in death
1 likeHe became the attraction
0 likes@Ad Boi Production Why does everyone keep calling it "the cave punishing him for his greed"? He was not greedy, the dude wanted to fucking provide for his family.
9 likes@Renan Leandro Yeah I should've worded it better huh sorry.
1 likeA true monkeys paw
2 likes@Nicole perfect recap 👌
0 likesone of the craziest parts about this was how nobody else got killed trying to save floyd
2 likesIf he had spent his time widening the squeeze first, none of this would have happened 😐
6 likesSuper sad for a while. Then morbidly hilarious at the end! Well done everybody!
0 likesThis was amazing! please do more things like this!!!
1 likeI love how the entire story is in black and white except for the yellow light of the bulbs. It makes it feel so much more hopeful when Floyd finally isn’t in complete darkness all the time
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I legitimately didn't even notice that it was in black and white, that's how good Internet Historian videos are
114 likesAnd the subway sandwich for comparison
65 likes@Caden Tan oh yeah lol. Schindler’s list may have the girl in the red coat, but this video has the subway sandwich
41 likesand i like that everything after 1989 is colored
11 likesHoly crap i didn't notice
2 likesThe thing is the world was black and white back then. There is a lot of photo and video evidence of it from those times.
20 likes@Martin S So true. Many children truly believe this until a surprisingly advanced age.
2 likes@LaMelon And the dream sequence.
0 likes@Martin S gotta thank Einstein for inventing color
1 likeTed the Caver was in color lol
0 likes@Caden Tan and don't forget about WORLD OF TANKS
2 likesWell it was 1925. color wasn’t invented till around the 50s
2 likesAbsolutely awesome story and good storytelling. Never before even heard the damn city. But his story will live a bit longer now atleast
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0 likesA mere physics or earth science student in their final year today could have given a thorough opinion on the rope pull idea even without internet access on their phone. They'd have calculated everything with remarkable accuracy - factoring in the angle of the force on Floyd using trigonometry, and also how much the opposing force of the gravel that initially acts downward on Floyd is, and finally whether or not a successful rope pull would destroy Floyd's body or not.
0 likesAlways looking forward to watching these longer style videos!!
1 likeThis was excellent, please make more videos like this. Thanks.
1 likeHe’s just a regular historian now. Not complaining, this is a really interesting story
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He used to be a historian ABOUT the Internet, now he's a historian ON the internet.
141 likesI don't care. As long as he stays funny and makes his sponsors wonder why they sponsored him.
30 likes@Glenn Griffon He didn't really do anything funny with this video though. The only funny parts where really in the sponsor.
5 likes@Cool Guy 77 the funny was in the "actors" and animation
8 likes@Cool Guy 77 You’re more of a knock knock joke kinda guy huh
14 likesThe way it was publicly talked about in the paper and over the radio kind of resembles how the internet treats huge stories today. The way some people were lying for fun, others believing those lies, and many people trying to profit off of the story. It’s like a pre-internet internet.
13 likes"A Historian, ON the INternet!"
1 likeAlong with the Gentleman Pirate video these are some of my most highly rated things. Both were as engaging as multi million dollar movies.
2 likes@Joel Friberg No, I'm just pointing out the lack of humor in this video compared to his others. Compare this video to almost any other video on his channel and you can see the difference very clearly. I'm not complaining about it though, it was a good choice for this story.
1 like@Cozy He was always a historian ON the internet, was he not? xD
0 likesThe Internet's Historian
0 likes@Cool Guy 77 I mean, considering this is a 1 hour true story about a brutally painful and drawn out death; I’d say he made it fucking hilarious and thrilling at the same time.
0 likes@FilthyCasual His content was typically shit that went viral on the internet, hence why I guessed THAT was the reason for his channel name. Until recently.
0 likesWatching this while being claustrophobic, is like being scared of spiders and sticking your hand in a tarantula cage.
0 likesI've watched this video so man times now that I hear how Internet Historian in my head narrates my life, and everything got way more dramatic now. From boiling egg, go out for a jog to just take a dump.
0 likesSerious, how do I turn his voice off?
Almost every person involved in this story is an absolute Chad in wildly different ways
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Except all the cowards standing outside who won't go into the Cave themselves thinking up stupid plans like "Lets just throw dynamite in there."
3 likesFloyd wanted the cave to becoem a tourist attraction for it's natural beauty, instead, the cave made HIM a morbid curiosity for the general public. The few people that spent everything they had, even themselves to try and save him, they were heroes fighting an uphill battle.
0 likesAs much as the cave is characterized in this story as a malevolent but also alluring force, the public themselves were both an aid and a hinderance to the rescue. at first, it was genuine, in getting the word out to his family, people who could help, and eventually organized government forces. however, that same spectacle little by little caused the cave to collapse with the weight of all the activity, the melting of soil from campfires, the sheer amount of cars on hollow land -little by little, each footfall buried him deeper, butonly a few set of hands dug him out. After all of the that coverage, the public and the news dropped him and his suffering, after it could no longer be drained for all of it's sensationalism, was left alone, the support ended once the public couldn't shove their noses into the situation and worsen the rescue, in almost a parasocial connection, feeling personally owed entry or feeling personally betrayed by the 'conning of the family'.
as alluring and crushing the cave was, it would not have been so damning had it not been aided by the dark tourists and everything they brought.
Not gonna lie, Miller is a legend. For a journalist to go through that much effort and danger to save a man, he definitely deserved credit for his actions. Even though it’s through different circumstances, this reminds me of that new documentary about the boys who got trapped in that cave a few years ago. That documentary really sheds light on how dangerous caving is
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Everyone involved was an idiot
0 likesMust agree to that
0 likesI agree.
12 likesI’d never be able to crawl through a squeeze that tight, the people who tried to help him deserve all the recognition they get
SPOILER YA NERD
0 likes@Freestyle HD Maybe watch the video before looking at the comments where the video is being discussed? Are you r worded?
5 likesSomehow my faith in people in general went down while my faith in journalists went up. Then I remembered I live in 2022.
5 likes@Coc "r worded" 💀
11 likes@Coc was 2nd comment down. Its also and hour long video.
0 likes@Freestyle HD You shouldn't expect others to accommodate your destroyed attention span.
4 likes@Coc bruh chill out, was a passing joke. burner profile you mean nothing btw
0 likes@Freestyle HD my god you are a brainlet.
0 likes@Freestyle HD bro it's YouTube what do you mean burner account you loser
0 likesIve listened to this story 3 times now. More please.
1 likeThis was such a good video! Wow!!! Impressive story telling, music, and animations. Wow
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0 likesAmazing story and coverage/portrayal. Rare to me, but I liked and subscribed both
1 likeYou didn't explain one thing: How was Floyd intending to get tourists into that cave? Nobody would even think about going in there. He should have first widened the entrance, which would have made the rest of the work much easier and safer.
0 likesthis story really showcases the best and worst of humanity all at once. what a tale
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I think that’s usually the case with these crazy situations. Just look at the pandemic 😅
15 likes@Kola I don't think that's a good comparison
30 likesmy man was out here dying and they had a clown juggling. bruh
56 likesThere were like 3 people going through that cave, something so scary I can’t imagine doing it. Then there’s mfers ruining the structure of the cave so they can camp outside is basic graveyard
0 likesWhat really gets to me was Lee taking "donations" at the fair grounds. No doubt in my mind he swindled people by saying the money went to helping Floyd, then he kept it all to himself. Sickening.
0 likesI have seen others cover this story, but with the simple addition of reenactment cutouts brings it to a whole other level... man... just watching makes me feel like I'm having trouble breathing...
0 likesWhat a crazy story, I had a hard time getting through it all.. BUT.. Knowing IH as I do, I KNEW it would be worth the wait. Thanks for the great video.,
0 likesI think this is your best video yet I was so invested every second of the story.
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0 likesIncredible video. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
0 likesThis story shows just how stupid, selfish, and cruel humans can be but also how courageous and selfless. Truly amazing.
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Yeah men. In a way, fake positivity was also always a thing. (I mean all those idiots who want to help, but make it worse)
76 likesOr, you know, just don't enter deadly caves?
30 likesYeah "humans" should stop smoking crack and shoving themselves in holes
0 likes... so it showed that humans sometimes will do stuff
5 likes@Gamma Humans definitely do stuff. I've seen it before.
31 likes@Dｅmｏnｉtｅ wtf where have you seen a human?
11 likes@Ikxi - Forever a Tatsunoko they're fucking swarming everywhere bro, but they keep hiding in their "houses" so they're hard to see
14 likesHave the 999th like. Somebody make it 1k.
0 likescruel humans you mean americans right?
1 like@senadawr ah yes because no other country has cruel people or events in its past or present (just ignore cartel members in Latin America, the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rwandan genocide, the Sino-Japanese war, the history of Australia, Russia's current invasion plus the shit with the Chechens, the femicide in El Salvador, the--ok i think we all get the point)
15 likes@Cyborg Cuttlefish everyone has been terrible in their own way!
1 likebut there is also lots of good people in the world, they're hard to find tho
@Spicy Dong it was that guy's last attempt at saving his family's financial situation
0 likescave tourism
@Lunasa Gaming oh yea, i know there's plenty of good people. I'm not a cynic or anything. Just thought the other guy was dumb
0 likes@Cyborg Cuttlefish oki
0 likesthis is the system of capitalism, not human nature.
0 likes@JovialDemon01 and who created capitalism? humans
1 likeas tragic as this was, i couldn't help but burst out laughing when they threw his body out of the cave and supposedly into the lake, only for it to be caught in a tree.
1 likeAmazing research and story. I never heard of this story
0 likesDamn.
6 likesFloyed's death was actually what made the cave that he wanted to make attractive for tourists what made the cave attractive for tourists.
So, wait wait wait... That man got trapped underground, got burried by gravel and died there. His corpse then gets removed from his grave, only to be placed a few stories higher than were he died, so he essentially was still trapped in his original grave. He then enjoys freedom from being buried underground for a few moments, albeit having been dead for a while already, only to get burried in his previous grave yet again. There he lies for a couple of decades, only to get freed from his dark and damp grave, only to yet again get burried underground, except in a dark and damp place next to a church. This guy isn't allowed to catch a break. What did he do, that the universe hates him so much?
1 like100 years later this story continues to trend. Imagine how much of a big story it was back then.
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The most infuriating thing is that all of those shit heads hanging out and posturing probably weren't treated like the cowards they were.
0 likesEverything about this story from Floyds absolutely horrific fate, to how people reacted to it is so unbelievably fucking gut wrenching to me.
263 likesI never heard of this story but it really showed how people ALWAYS were fucked up and cruel. Jesus fucking christ man.
@Sy IN Ta X You are part of the righteous mob in this ongoing story.
119 likes#1 on trending.
5 likes@Meowmeow yeah the righteous mob that not only didn't do anything but actively made things worse for the rescue and ruined the farmers land? You are saying the people criticizing those pieces of absolute filth are the same as them?
0 likes@Meowmeow Why?
6 likes@Sy IN Ta X I don't think it was cruel. Even if the advice was dumb, everyone was horrifyingly intrigued at worst, but I feel like they were rooting for him every second of the way and trying their best to help.
56 likes@Lucas I mean there was obviously some really cruel shit here. Like sending out that fake telegraph. That whole fake news campagne. The was his body was handled afterwards just tops the fucking list.
151 likesObviously there are classical heroes and villains to this story but well. I guess the nice thing out of this is how am entire country prayed and rooted for a mans life.
@Sy IN Ta X We are probably less fucked up and cruel than we were 100 years ago.
12 likesStill fucked up and cruel but not as bad!
In an age where girls selling their bathwater is trending, your point is moot
0 likes@Banana we are as cruel and fvcked as we were... we just now have the means to vent out without causing real harm
3 likes@Banana
0 likesSomething's telling me that in the foreseeable future we will all not only witness but be subjected to cruelty not yet seen before. It doesn't seem like you can run or hide.
A century old real story still makes any creepypasta feel like pixar cartoons. Maybe I'm still under the impression, though.
1 like@Banana I really doubt that, given that social media exists now, there is even greater incentive for self absorbed twats to do extreme and dangerous activities towards others or for the entertainment of others. The internet eats that shit up, the suffering of someone else is easily accessible and sensationalized
0 likesand how his story gets misconstrued by people like Internet Historian, who don't do enough research--or DOES do enough research yet decides to leave out major details so he can create his own fictitious narrative of the event. If you want something that has far more respect for the history that's about Floyd Collins, The Dollop made a podcast episode about it.
1 likeEDIT: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer in comment sections, by people who instead of looking into it themselves jump straight to believing i'm talking out my ass. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about, and it will be out in the next few days hopefully. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context, as to tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
herd about the incident before, but the parts that happen after are new to me.
0 likes@C Porter hey, thanks for your reply. Looking forward to your response video, but.... The Dollop guys are so annoying to listen with their constant improv skits or whatever? I can't really see how is that different from this video, although I've watched only a half of the podcast.
0 likes5:30 you know, I don't really have claustrophobia, I don't feel uncomfortable in small confined spaces, but when the space goes from its small to 'there is no way in hell anyone is digging me out' is where the fear comes in, the 'I am completely fucked if I get stuck'. in 6th grade we had a field trip to some caves, and the sick fucks decided that we had to crawl 10~ feet into this very small gap and hopefully spin around, and I was full on 'fuck you i'm not doing it, I don't care if others did it and came out fine'
0 likesI like to think that that the part of my mind that tells me don't do shit like that is what little will I have to live going full self preservation, kind of makes me happy in a morbid way.
I am curious if the story has been corroborated or is solely reported by Miller but him helping a complete stranger without regard is admirable. Gerald and miller are true heroes the bystanders despicable. I wonder if this event is the advent of shock media.
0 likesThat was so good I let it disrupt all my plans, so engrossing, so worth it!
0 likesThis gave me anxiety like you wouldn't know. Imagine, crawling through a hold that narrow, I don't know if i have clostrophobia, but even someone who doesn't would look at that hole and say "NOPE"
0 likesThis story consists of a handful of people who went above and beyond to save one man, some teams who did their job as well as they could, and some hundreds of idiots with no sense of decency who couldn't help but make everything much harder than it had to be.
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Really screams "people with the least amount of knowledge always have the most to say"
136 likesHumanity in a nutshell?
35 likesTwitter
24 likesA story as old as time
14 likesThe internet before the internet
12 likesThe Carnival was gawking
4 likesThe past example of your ordinary group assignment
12 likes1-2 people working
10 others gawking
And another 10 complaining and criticizing
-Remember thats life.
1 likeIt amazes me how those people just accept the idea that everyone else around them are just stupid rather than questioning whether they really fully understand the situation or scenario.
2 likesHumans being dumb as usual
1 likeThis video has caused me to lose a lot of faith in humanity. However, I do appreciate what Homer, and those lads did far more. :)
1 likeHenry St. George Tucker Carmichael (Superintendent of Kentucky Rock Asphalt Company) was an Anglo Saxon which was not depicted accurately by Mr "Internet Historian". He took a few liberties in his re-telling of this harrowing story. It's worth mentioning because too many people are distorting historical accuracy for the sake of pandering to contemporary politics.
0 likesOr just people that think if youre stupid enough to squeeze into that cave in the first place then why should others risk their life for you.
0 likes@condensedmatter118 Empathy [trivial: failure]
3 likes@Mr Al it's really not worth mentioning. It's very obvious that no one with any sort of high ranking job, in 1920's Kentucky, would be anything other than white. I'd bet everyone involved in the story was white.
1 likeKentucky is about 7% black these days, that was probably lower 100 years ago. And Barren county, probably had about 3 black people live there in 200 years. So we really don't give a shit what stock photo is used to represent any of the people.
that's pretty much Kentucky in a nutshell.
0 likes@Mr Al alright. Now what? What do we do with this? Can we change it? Fix it? I'm asking you here, do you have the solutions? PLEASE, PLEASE.....just tell me you do. TELL ME that I don't have to do yet more work for...whatever this is.
0 likesWe can pray? I would do that.
0 likesThis video helped me discover that I have moderate claustrophobia. Thanks, Internet Historian!
0 likesHe still somehow managed to live so long in that cave just to die.
2 likesAn absolute wild video start to finish.
0 likesI've heard this story before but never with so much detail, and the animation was brilliant as usual. Just enough humour but also enough info to keep me interested.
One of your best videos yet.
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0 likesI am a mere five minutes in, and I have already never watched a video that has given me this much anxiety. This is gonna be tough to get through.
1 likeInternet Historian is going to put national geographic out of business with these types of amazing videos.
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If you don't mind 1 video every 20 years
374 likesSCP SL YOUTUBER 😮😯😲😳😳😳😳
20 likesTelevision these days doesn't seem to understand or appreciate the value of having a story-telling structure in their narrative. Instead of having just boring casual dialogue over long clips of wild life and nature and what-not, Internet historian actually goes to great length to tell A STORY. You know how few do it as well? When people tell stories they almost intentionally leave out the EXPERIENCE and the subjective emotional value, far too often I see stories striped of their meaning and replaced with facts and observations.
203 likesGranted IH might also be simply reading from a well done book to begin with, but still. BOOKS, are under rated to say the least. The power of a story teller transcends human civilization.
Discovery for sure though since after eating up Warner they’ve been making the worst fucking decisions ever
10 likes@tim
51 likesI don't. This is better than anything on Netflix or in theaters. But to each their own.
Life will go on anyway, I don't see why not get notified of a new upload and learn something I'd never otherwise known about, while having a few lulz from his signature dry humor. One of the best creators on the platform. Yea, I'm willing to give him all the time in the world if he just keeps creating masterpieces like this or "The Gentleman Pirate". They've gotten me through some dark, dark times. I just feel like shit for not being able to financially support his work.
🍒 on top is that he brings many of my other favorite creators as guests! Seeing Wendigoon was like seeing an old "friend" after watching his channel for however long. Same with Ordinary Things, every time I see that blonde mop - my heart smiles. He's another whose videos I'd only skip if I was completely incapacitated.
But again, to each their own. I respect your right to voice the need to have monkeys dance as many times as you say so. Cheers!
@mice scooper Who?
5 likeswhen national geographic stopped putting an emphasis on tribal sweater puppets they lost the public interest.
5 likes@Starcat your wife
2 likes@tim I don't fucking mind lol. I binge Internet Historian videos once in a while and every time I rewatch, it just gets better. I would say the time is worth it. Why churning out content as fast as possible but you could ony watch once when you can create timeless videos that makes people revisit once in a while.
17 likesNational Geo... who? Joking. But for real IH is gold. I rewatch his NMS video once a year as if it was It's a Wonderful Life.
4 likesWarner Brothers is going to beat him to it.
1 likeHappy birthday Starcat :)
0 likesThis story has been told many times on youtube, way better, don't know why he bothered.
0 likesAmazing how people want actual engaging content instead of retarded reality shows
0 likes@A. Ducky People make a lighthearted comment wishing IH was able to upload more often, and you reply with OTT praise/ass-kissing and say he's treating IH like a dancing monkey, ungrateful for the videos, demanding he "dance" on cue.
0 likesChill out. Internet Historian ain't gonna fuck you, bro.
He's practically The History Channel, but before, you know, they stopped airing anything about history.
1 like@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse "What unites people? Armies? Gold? Flags? Stories. There's nothing in the world more powerful than a good story. Nothing can stop it. No enemy can defeat it. And who has a better story... than The Internet Historian?"
4 likesokay I'll stop xD
@William North In all of your cocky bullshit you must have missed the complete success of the video.
0 likesNever heard this story before, and IH's renditions are always a joy to watch.
Not sure why you bothered with your snark.
In a perfect world, he absolutely would be more prestigious than national geographic
0 likes@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse I agree with your point but must hit dislike due to your antisemitic username.
1 likeNo doubt about that. He's done a better production for Fyre Fest better than Netflix did and has done a better recounting of this event over an actual movie adaptation of this event.
1 like@Paul S Rohrbaugh What does my name have to do with the jewish religion other than the fact the Jewish religion practices circumcision? How do you know its anti-semitic and not anti-islamic? OR, more likely than all of them, anti-circumcision. I can hate the practice and still love the religion. Love the sinner not the sin. Circumcision, is a sin in my mind. God doesn't require you to perform blood rituals on newborn infants. I know the history of circumcision pretty well, the semites learned the ritual from the pagan egyptians. who, by the way, only performed the mutilation ritual on adult priests, not defenseless children. What kind of person would harm a child in the name of god? Clearly not a child of god.
0 likesPlus, in the US, the vast majority of circumcised males, aren't jewish, or muslim. So your argument couldn't be further from truthful. It seems far more like an attempt to criticize something you haven't taken the time to understand.
@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse THIS.
0 likes@Alexander Leonard They didn't always do that. My grandfather had a collection of National Geographics, some of which were so old they didn't even have pictures on the covers.
0 likesand not hide the giants
0 likes@Fixy Clary can you tell I'm a writer? 😅
0 likes@tim Great content, but I wish he could hire people to animate and help with the research so he could focus on the writing and the directing, we could get one every month or something like that
0 likes@tim i dont if its a story worth the 20 year wait
0 likesNo he isnt. Not by a long shot.
0 likes& horror movies.
0 likesI got more suspense from his narration than I have any Thriller.
@tim quality > quantity
0 likes@Deathbird Sinister IH seems to have a talent for storytelling. This was better than many movies or documentaries I have seen. I think he could write and direct a great movie if he got the chance.
0 likesDude got 1 million views in 2 days lol hes great
0 likesI actually just tried watching one of the nature docs on disney+ and it was terrible
0 likes"Internet Historian is going to put national geographic out of business with these types of amazing videos."
0 likesInternet Historian puts most mainstream tv shows to shame with these types of amazing videos
@Starcat it's a bot
0 likesnational geo could put out videos far faster than internet historian
0 likesayo stan
0 likes@Detective Patchouli who?
0 likesGood riddance.
0 likesEvery time I think this story must be coming to an end, oooooh no there's more
0 likesever hear of the cave of song? also known in some stories as the breathing cave? the absolutely most terrifying cave/cave complex ive ever heard of.
0 likesAmazing. I had moments of my hand over my mouth and I had to resist skipping to the end or looking it up, what an up and down.
0 likesCan you imagine the things Floyd mind was playing on him , things he could hear and feel my god that’s scary 😟
1 likeI’ve never heard this story before and was rooting for this poor guy so hard. How cruel for them to treat him like that after his death. The love his brother had for him is very clear though
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0 likesholy freaking claustrophobia on absolute maximum extreme i almost freaking shit myself and pulled all my hair out at the same time. good LORD, i absolutely hate caves but i took this class called the forest. i had to deal with cannibals in deep dark caves, and by god once you reach the light the feeling of pure GLORY is something to behold. never again will i submit myself to such horror. that is, until the reappearing of our lord and saviour. from the deepest darkest cave you could ever imagine, february twenty third twenty twenty three. remember the day my friends. stay in the light.
1 likeI remember listening to a podcast about this years ago. They ended up coming to the conclusion that capitalism prevented him from being saved. I was baffled then, am I still am that that's what they got out of this.
1 likeSalute to you for the quality content I'd never watch 1hr video on other channels
1 likeThe woman in the background, who no matter what, kept reading is such a mood. No matter if she screams at people to not enter a cave or looks at a dead man in a glass coffin, she keeps reading. I get her😆
1 likeMy man basically suffered through life and death I feel bad for him
0 likesI absolutely adore the way this video was done! 😍
0 likesI wish that all historical video you see that museums were this good.
1 likeI’d watch this for hours
This was amazing sad and suspenseful 10 out of 10
0 likesPerhaps it's just me with a sad, heartbreaking thought, but I think Floyd held on and on through agony and suffering until the moment that lightbulb went out. He probably felt it, and assumed they had decided to give up on him, so he likely closed his eyes and let go, succumbing to the cave.
1963 likesSuch a sad tale. Can't imagine how slowly time must have passed for him.
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Its not just a sad heartbreaking thought, its factual he was alone in pain, with nothing to warm him up and the idiots outside who werent trying to dig him up, were just making it harder for the people who were trying to help, its a shitty situation that no one deserves to be in, the moral of the story is: get those who want to help and are able to help engaged and no one else, other people will just want to get their hands on their own profit and that is just part of human nature: "if they dont care, they will not care that they will be making things harder for you". Really shows you need to have good and strong conections like gerald and his brother, and that there are some good people out there like miller.
161 likesPs: Just wanted to get this shit out of my chest, fucking traumatizing bullshit heart-wrenching fucking real goddamned story.
@JonokBR ™
116 likesThis story really is human nature in miniature. The good and the bad. Heroics, ingenuity, dedication and courage. Counterbalanced by mindlessness, ineptitude, profiteering and depravity.
What disgusts me is that the ultimate victors of this whole debacle are the vultures. The kind of guys who think turning a corpse into a tourist attraction is remotely acceptable. If he simply died in there and his body was recovered it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad. The shit that came after just further increased my misanthropic tendencies…
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1 like@Stapled Cranium Feel free to stop reading the comments when you should be watching and listening to the video!
33 likesHasanAbi watched
1 like@Stapled Cranium Anyone who is reading or leaving comments before watching the entire video deserves all the spoilers that come with it.
26 likesI thought the exact same thing. That light was his last lifeline to the rest of the world. When it burned out so too did any hope he had left.
5 likes@JonokBR ™ morale of the story, don't go into caves, like why do people do this let me put myself into a fucking crack in the wall
5 likesYes, that light bulb was his only source of hope, and honestly it was probably helping him stay a little bit warmer so he didn't succumb to exposure. Really sad story
2 likesI took it more as the bulb quite literally keeping him alive through warmth. Once it burned out, and with no more food coming to him, his body didn't have the energy to keep him alive.
4 likesIn response to people saying "it kept him warm so he died": yes, you're absolutely right, that probably was the main cause of death, but also, he already assumed people were trying their very best to save him, and he'd already noticed them starting to visit less and less, because it was becoming harder to do so. The moment that bulb went out, he probably assumed they cut it as a way to say they weren't coming anymore. Even though in actuality, the bulb just died. But his hope he'd been holding onto, died there.
2 likes@StyxDescension Shit, if this particular part is factual, he may have (potentially in delirium) nearly gotten someone else stuck down there with him, just so that he didn't have to be alone. I can't even begin to imagine what that would have been like, and it's going to haunt me for the rest of the day.
0 likes@My 9th Account Well said mate, the way they just desecrated his body even after all he went through, its just revolting.
0 likes@Bullet 😂
0 likeswhy was floyeds face wendigon?
0 likes@JonokBR ™
0 likesWhat kills me is that they could’ve made a fortune on the cave and the gravesite alone. There wasn’t even a reason to exhume the body from a economic standpoint. The guy just did it for the hell of it.
Think Floyd
0 likes@My 9th Account I mean its the same as the people who profit off the suffering of others in foreign countries through charity organizations. Some of them ban donations less than a hundred dollars knowing full well it'll peer pressure some people into donating more than they want to. Then never solve the problem to begin with, just send in a couple of tuna sandwiches and use the rest to fly around the country in private jets. Or my favorite the news media giving clout to monsters and insisting something else is the problem and not the attention given to someone who did a heinous act knowing people will do anything for attention.
0 likes@My 9th Account yep, bullshit
0 likesDid he expect visitors to take the same route? The turnaround room and all the other mess? Looks like he was working on the wrong spot then and got himself killed. Also, only bringing one light and then not triple checking it is filled all the way to the top?
0 likesThis guy killed himself with stupidity.
All he had to say was "I'm stuck, Step-sister"
Man the internet historian is a good story teller!
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0 likesIf you love this story, I highly recommend the old classic movie, "Ace in the hole", with Kirk Douglas
0 likesMy professor talked about this in class a week ago. Pretty interesting this was in my feed. I go to school 30 minutes away from mammoth cave too! Fun learning!
0 likesMan.
598 likesThis quickly escalated from one of the most wholesome hope inducing stories about people working together to an astonishing series of certified society moments.
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Like a fairytale gone bad.
6 likes@John Smith Don't look up Nutty Putty cave
11 likes@Miðgarðsormr Apophis Someone died in the Nutty cave
1 likeThat's the real world. After every act of heroism or every tragedy is a media circus hoping to make a quick buck through irreverence.
6 likesHe got so obsessed with making a path he didn’t think about whether it was really viable. If no one would go down the squeeze to begin with it doesn’t matter if you can technically access the cavern
1 likeGood grief, that was a rollercoaster. Nicely done, IH.
0 likesI just love how IH continues to subtly show his love to L.A Noire
3 likesThis truly hurt to watch I’m getting claustrophobic from looking at this lol great work❤
0 likesAs an IRL rescue worker, I must have to say, that the bystanders who do nothing beside passively making the situation worse while having an opinion on everything, is all too familiar. Some things never change indeed.
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0 likesI can believe your testimony because you regularly rescue the 597th Valhallan from danger all too often
42 likesA lot of traffic jams are caused not by accidents, but onlookers on the opposite lane slowing down to gawk.
115 likesYeah, I have stopped for an accident to help when it just happend and I can be among the first to arrive but, once there are half a dozen people around an accident it's unlikely you can help unless you are trained to do so. People need to realize that if professionals are working to resolve a problem a crowd will not help them, and it will likely only make it harder to be efficient. Rescue workers need s p a c e not 2 dozen people standing around giving them unsolicited opinions and being a general distraction.
57 likesThank you for your work
7 likesIt may not be much, but Bless You for being one of the guys who gets in and does the rescuing instead of being one of them .
17 likesThis video has seriously dented my faith in humanity. And I didn't have much of that before hand.
17 likes@Incurable Romantic I mean both good and bad people were in this story. It should be an even split.
17 likes@Jeff Bezos without the pesos If slowing down causes an accident then the person behind was tailgating and should have had his license taken away to begin with.
2 likesI gotta admit, I kinda read your comment in Stephen Perring's voice, after seeing your name...
2 likesA big O7 to you for your work
2 likesBro I once found myself behind a car who did a hit and run on a pedestrian. we stopped to help but I am still scarred by the attidude of the friends of the person getting hit, who tried to assault the paramedics because "IT TOOK TOO LONG FOR YOU TO GET HERE!!!!"
6 likesMob mentality is scary, best of luck out there and thanks for the hard work you do!
@BeardyBadger paramedic is one of the most important yet underappreciated jobs, among the chain of healthcare workers. They are overworked and underpayed, for essentially saving everyone. Thanks for stopping to help. More people should do it, instead of watching and doing nothing beside being in the way and eroding your faith in humanity.
5 likes@Coffeeisnecessarynow Why? Can't he just sod off already? lol
1 like@Coffeeisnecessarynow What are you, a Bot? 🤨
0 likesHave you tried hitting them every time they said something stupid?
1 likethe more ignorant they are the more opinion they have - that one dr on fnv
1 likeI get you, I'm a nobody really but all we all want is perfection, and it's impossible to expect it from people, but nobody really thinks about themselves
0 likesAt least now we have professional rescue workers. That’s the ONLY thing that’s really changed here (and speed of information, but that would’ve just led to more onlookers).
1 likeEven the methods they used to get him out would be virtually the same as the options available to us today.
@4rkain3 not quite. A lot has changed since. First, there would be a rescue team there within hours, who would have sent the people away, second we have drones, small explosives that can chip away rocks, without causing much collateral, better mining equipment and other tools, which run on electricity importantly, and oxygen systems, i probably can't name all of it. And even without them, as I see it, this man was lost becouse of the lack of a coordinated effort.
2 likesPeople are the same, only technology is different
0 likes@Ciaphas Cain what would you (or any other rescue team) have done to save him?
0 likes@Daniels Vībots my collegue who were at several cave rescue effort said that "today we most likely would use controlled microexplosions, to chip away enough stone around him, enlarging the tunnel to free him."
3 likes@BeardyBadger you're scared by that? You're sheltered and don't understand human psychology or trauma. The friend almost died, friends aren't going to act rational if they are experiencing emotional trauma. It sounds like you were traumatized too. You ironically put yourself in the same category as the person you were scared of, by the very act of being afraid. What's more the paramedics weren't phased by the friend at all. They know how to deal with shit. Mob mentality? You pulled that out of a hat. A mob doesn't apply to a half dozen people.
0 likesThe emperor protects
0 likesWe should've used lava
0 likesSounds like a woman could've entered the narrow hole better
1 likeIf you're an IRL rescue worker then you should know that inexperienced bystanders would make things even worse by trying to help
1 like@Sharm Gidly there are tons of things someone can do. Call an ambulance for starters, stop bleedings enough to save a life, provide valuable information, place the person in a stable position or even provide cpr. You don't have to be particularly experienced or trained to do this. Until there are no professionals at hand even minimal help can be life saving. That is my opinion on the subject. Also, not every emergency is strictly medical in nature, and there are examples where conscriping bystanders is a viable strategy.
0 likes@gxlorp panic is no excuse for shitty or disruptive behavior. If you can't keep your composure, it is very much your fault. And yes, half a dozen people can very much be overtaken by mob mentality. Among other reasons, that is why friends and family are usually removed from near the patient, with force sometimes if neccecary. Let them calm down first. It baffling how agressive and violent people can be towards those who are trying to help. Even the patients themselves(assuming they are awake). God forbid they watched too much shitty medical drama and agressively yell at medics and doctors how they know better.
0 likesSomething like this happened recently in Morocco when a child fell into a well.
1 likeIt became national news and at some point neighbouring countries were also invested in it.
There’s something so soothing about the SFX that IH uses in his videos, I can’t put my finger on it
0 likesthis cave was so good, even the shelbys fought over it.
1 likeI wouldn’t call myself claustrophobic, but I couldn’t imagine wedging myself through a space that small.
1 like"It's 100 years later. He's dead. Let's call it even." was a great way to disarm some of the hate I was feeling for the bad actors in the story.
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I wish more people would think this way. We could advance society lol
91 likesNah, their great great great grandkids are gonna catch heat in school now because the history teacher wanted an easy day and put on this video
78 likesIn all seriousness, I could see people get up in arms about this. Easy way to put out a fuse and not stir a pot that wasn’t even meant to be served with any ill entente
I just didn’t expect him to be returned to the cave as an exhibit. That was truly disheartening. Greed shows it’s wicked green eye every so often
Yeah. Way too many Americans are angry at dead people these days. Just learn from the story and don't commit the same mistakes and bad acts. No point in getting emotional about it and looking for alive people to blame.
75 likesHonestly, no problem with thinking the guy acted like a huge dip, but there’s honestly nothing that can, or SHOULD, be done. Letting it go really is the only option. At most, just point it out as some sort of morality tale, or as something to wax philosophical about on the nature of man, but eh, we all really should have better things to occupy our time with.
6 likes@Paul Newman "way too many americans" its funny because generational grudges literally fueled the rise and fall of empire throughout history
32 likes@Paul Newman who are you referring to in this instance? no one american or not is obligated to feel any less hate for people in history just because you do too.
8 likes@𒈨𒈛𒄩𒆠 "who are you referring to in this instance?"
12 likesHe was referring to the americans that are angry at dead people, pretty self explanatory i would say.
"no one american or not is obligated to feel any less hate for people in history just because you do too."
He was most likely giving his opinion and not claiming that people have a moral obligation to do as he says, in fact why did you interpret it in that way anyways?
Like did you read his comment and think: "Hmm yes when he says "No point in getting emotional about it and looking for alive people to blame." He wasn't just giving his opinion he was making the claim that there is objectively no value in such an activity, that is clearly the most logical conclusion" - 🤓🤓
The mur'cans always have to come through and prove people right, by getting mad at shit that means nothing:') it's one reply on a comment lads chill out
0 likesEdit; RIP the americans' chill, 2022
they can dish it out but can't take it
0 likesEdit; point proven thanks Xen:') + learn the meaning of foreign, on an Australian channel, mad about a Polish guy's reply you are the foreigner
@Flicks foreigners always have to come through and reveal how rent free americans are to them by thinking replying to something means you're angry :/
9 likes@Francisco Pereira and that was my opinion so you don't have to lecture me either and i was asking him which americans angry at which dead people in other words i was asking for context - pretty self explanatory if you have <60 iq lol. additionally he also says "blaming alive people" without any evidence or context.
2 likes@𒈨𒈛𒄩𒆠 "and that was my opinion so you don't have to lecture me either"
3 likesI got on your case not because of your opinion on the matter but due to you lack of reading comprehension, you can tell because i made 0 comments on your opinion, like did you just not read my comment or something?
" and i was asking him which americans angry at which dead people in other words i was asking for context"
Except you just flat out didn't, you asked: "who are you referring to in this instance?" so only which americans not at who they are angry with, and if you really wanna know the answer to your first and only question: He was making a generalization, it's not refencing anyone in specific.
"pretty self explanatory if you have <60 iq lol."
Ironic coming from the person that needed to be correct on what he himself fucking wrote.
"additionally he also says "blaming alive people" without any evidence or context."
Again i don't really care for the subject at hand, i only got on your case because of the way you chose to interpret Paul's comment.
A lesson Ireland is in desperate need of learning.
3 likes@Paul Newman americans mad at dead people...lol what u mean by that
0 likes@Francisco Pereira keep malding nerd
0 likes@𒈨𒈛𒄩𒆠 Mans is coping 😭😭😭
0 likesChill out, they did not😂
0 likes@Francisco Pereira I don't get why public sentiment should ever change towards someone when they die. Seems like a dumb thing to complain about, people being bothered at a person's actions after they die. Like no shit if their legacy is harmful they will be remembered for it
2 likes@Ken I mean i don't really have an opinion on the subject but thanks for sharing yours.
1 likeI love how he didn't say that for the guy who made his corpse into a tourist attraction. Fuck that guy.
0 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likesI'ma start using this phrase. It's a good one to use.
0 likesA true statement to be sure, but never forget that nothing happens in a vaccum and our actions ripple out into the future.
1 like@Flicks Yeah cause you euroweirdos don't get mad about things dead people did. Hey how long has Britain and France been at odds on and off? A thousand years you say? Damn.
0 likes@Xen N Which just proves there's assholes all over the globe.
0 likesIronic isn't it. Under a comment about letting hate go, all the replies are angry people pointing fingers at each other.
Humanity will never change.
It does nothing really. Especially when he tells the story blatantly falsely throughout the entire doc.
0 likesfor you maybe. I'm gonna track down their great grandkids and cyberbully the fuck out of em tbh.
0 likes@Africa it's the kids and grandkids that are the reason that he was reburied properly. They were the ones who left off after the family did. This whole video gets the Collins family Dynamic wrong in the first place. Pretends like Lee didn't give a shit about his son in this too. Honestly you shouldn't believe a word that this video says. It is practically fictional compared to the true events.
0 likesI would it be possible to pull him out if you could somehow get the harness on his lower back instead of chest? Because wouldn’t the upward force sort of pull him into a sitting position outside the cave?
0 likesWatching this again, why isnt this a movie? Truly envious of having such an awesome brother.
0 likesmy only comment is that Sand Cave was on land owned by Bee Doyle. The cave that Floyd had found on the Collins family farm was Crystal Cave (later advertised as Floyd Collins' Crystal Cave) and that is where Floyd's body was eventually displayed in the glass topped coffin (not in Sand Cave). Crystal Cave was off the beaten path and tourists looking for a cave tour had many options that were much closer to the main roads.
0 likesThis was the most anxiety inducing and claustrophobia triggering video I've ever watched!
0 likesThis and the nutty putty cave incident has convinced me to never ever risk any sort of dangerous caving. Dying by being stuck in a cave sounds unbelievably horrid.
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At least you should go caving underwater so your death is reasonably quick. The only thing worse than death by cave would be death by radiation sickness. Dear God, I hope internet Historian doesn't do a video about the Demon Core or Hisashi Ouchi....
0 likesOh no not the nutty putty cave incident why did you have to remind me
148 likesI've noticed that any caving accident relating to getting stuck in a tight spot often ends in tragedy. There's just something about the finality of two impenetrable walls of near-unlimited rock and stone that's horrifying to me. I always fear getting a nightmare about this.
136 likeswell yeah, avoid "dangerous" caving. Personally, unless you know there's a big room on the other side, never go through a space where you must exhale to go through.
50 likes@AbsoluteZeroChill Honestly there is a larger than you think chance of mistaking the right path for the wrong one, I think that is one of the most common ways of getting stuck besides being reckless as hell. I've heard a few stories like that, mostly cave diving as it's confusing but normal caves too.
39 likesNot sure why I know all of this, not like my fat ass can even think about fitting through that tight of a space, but here we are.
16 likes@Degenerage The most fcked up thing about that (other than the dude dying) were the other cavers who threw a massive tantrum and vandalised his memorial as revenge for the cave being closed and them not allowed to go in anymore
0 likesProbably one of the worst ways to die If you ask me. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.
26 likes@TheJadeWizard it's very small. Look at the actual statistics
1 likeIt would be like a fun fever dream by at least the 3rd day when you're totally dehydrated and squirming around to death.
0 likesI’m not afraid of too many ways to die, but this one is by far my biggest fear. No amount of money in the world could get me to do that. A burning building looks much less intimidating to me, honestly.
16 likesNothing in there is worth dying over
5 likesSmall caves are the issue, I could (probably I havent tried) manage a big cave
0 likesNumber one way to avoid being trapped in a cave: Don't go in a fucking cave.
14 likesNutty putty is fuckig terrifying dude
2 likesMr Ballen's channel is full of those and underwater caves, no thanks!
0 likesAnd to think that, you wouldn't be dying in darkness, you'd dissolve into psychosis long before. That is unless you choose to
1 likepulls phantom rope round neck
Perhaps you'd be worse off without a utensil to facilitate your own demise! If you know what I mean
0 likes@Degenerage how did the dude die in that again? was it from the fall when the rig broke?
2 likes@Julio Flores Certified Therapy yeah I think the lifting and then dropping him multiple times killed him
1 like@AbsoluteZeroChill Didn't know they had statistics for these things, learned something new today.
0 likes@TheJadeWizard it's like... 15 people get INJURED every year in recreational cave exploring.
2 likesMore people do biking sure, but the number of injuries for biking is still in the 1000's.
@Derzull Ah, Mr Ballen, the channel that traumatized me again and again. Don't forget getting stuck in places you shouldn't, even in normally safe spaces, like that poor guy who got crushed in the trunk of his car. You can be stuck like that anywhere, almost makes you scared of everything.
2 likes@AbsoluteZeroChill statistics don’t really give you an accurate indication of risk in these situations. The experience of your guide is a much greater factor than random chance. Meaning, if you carelessly go caving by yourself as a novice there’s a good chance of getting injured.
0 likes@AbsoluteZeroChill so statistically the chances of injury in caving are higher if 15 people get injured but only 100 trips are taken (and bear in mind injury isn't fatality) then that's a 15% chance if 1500 people get injured over a suitably multiplied number like a million, that's only 0.15% caving is often guided by experienced people who assess tourists for suitable skill level, nobody asks if you're competent or safe when you buy a bike for you or your kid, bikes are pretty unregulated, but you'll sure as hell be asked what experience you have if you want someone to risk their own life to show you some caves because you just think it seems cool.
0 likesThe severity of injury or sources aren't taken into account with those statistics either. Falling off your bike might result in a trip to A&E (which adds to the statistic even if they stick a band aid on you) and a school will keep records of a kid getting injured on the way to or on the school grounds (massively pushing that number up) but falling down a shaft is going to result in a pretty big rescue situation because you're probably not climbing out yourself and realistically, people go into cave systems themselves with little to no experience and are never seen again so they can't add to the statistic. Do things like that happen? All the time.
I was driving around the thistlegorm when about 12% of the outer hull broke off unexpectedly(that's a friggin huge piece of steel), if it had hit people there would have immediately been deaths and despite it being a reasonably advanced dive, tourists dive it every day. If people could just jump into the water there when they pleased I guarantee there would be a massive death rate at that site just like at the blue hole where "experts" made a concerted effort to have the site declared a mass grave by individually trying to beat the caves and running out of air unbeknownst to anybody until they're identified much later, sometimes years later. Oh and for perspective on the statistics of the place, new bodies appear there all the time and nobody knows when they entered, the closest they can guess is by how modern their equipment is.
It'd be like drowning, but prolonged for tortuous amounts of time.
0 likesYeah, I’m not really sure what this guy was thinking. I get it, he wanted to make money, but crawling through such tight gaps that he could only inch along with his feet? Yeah…that’s just insane.
0 likesFirst visit to the channel for me and I was like, "does Wendigoon's head know these guys are using it's image and if so is it ok with this?" The head says stuff and sounds like Wendigoon so I felt like probably yes.
0 likesNext thing you know there's Tommy Shelby and the Peaky Blinders because why not and then I'm like, "there is a lot going on here and I'm going to have to watch this several times on account of my deficit of attention."
How is this simultaneously funny, tragic, and utterly horrifying?
2 likesThis telling was so good, I got confused trying to find it again and went to Jacob Geller's channel for a moment, would want to see a wacky collab with him
1 likeIt's so infuriating that all those people gathering outside the cave got to live
1 likeBy the last 5 minutes I'm just like "HAS THIS MAN NOT GONE THROUGH ENOUGH?!? Just let him be at peace!!"
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american capitalism at its best at making (even dead) people's life miserable
0 likesi like your name
7 likesBut the bit about the two mysterious mens hurling Floyd's body into the sky and missing the river is hilarious though ngl xD
38 likesHow he survived so long is insane
29 likesNobody tell him that someone since dug him up and stuffed him back in the cave...
4 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin why would someone even do that at this point!?
0 likes"Naturally, the AP published these telegrams unquestioningly"
1 likeVery little has changed since that time...
Now that this is popular I guess we totally don't have to worry about anyone getting stuck in that cave ever again.
1 likeI love the voice work, everything about this is amazing
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0 likesImagine you’re stuck under ground and there’s an entire carnival on top of you.
0 likes"Don't worry Floyd, tomorrow you'll be a free man"
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Lol amc be like tomorrow is the day we squeeze
23 likes95 years later: finally breaks $20
More like last seen alive
8 likesIf doctors were in there they would not have lied to him like that 💀
1 likeLMAO
0 likesYeeouch
0 likeshow was he last seen 95 years ago YouTube wasn't around back then??
0 likes@Jordan playes games You are too young for YouTube my friend.
8 likesLMAO xD
0 likesi would have already lost my nerves crawling into the cave
0 likesespecially the squeeze. fuck just to imagine that gives me the creeps. i am only 3 minutes in and i feel trapped just seeing this
i can't imagine not being able to move for that long
Dude, I'm still laughing over here. Very imaginative, delightfully smart-assed.
0 likesMan when the YouTube algorithm works..... It fucking works. I've never heard of this channel but I'm sooooo glad it came up on my feed because this was a fantastic hour. Instant sub Mr. Historian!!
1 likeEdit: This was highly engrossing. Literally I could not stop watching!!!
I've never been so immersed in a story before.
0 likesI never imagined a video made up almost entirely of memes and stock photos could induce such an overwhelming feeling of tension and claustrophobia. What fantastic writing and editing!
1112 likesIt's an absolute travesty that after his brother worked so hard to have Floyd's body freed and given a proper burial, a complete stranger dug him up and locked him back inside the cave, trapping him worse than the cave itself ever did.
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You should watch his other movies then lol
6 likesOh no the cave got him gooood
0 likes@Yiti Blah bla movies? Plus, they don't really give much of a feeling of anxiety and claustrophobia lol
1 likeOne meme.
0 likes@High Definition I wasn't putting him down. No need to nitpick what I said.
0 likes@Yiti Blah bla Yeah, seen them all already. Quite a wide range of topics, tones and emotions, but nothing so heavy as this.
0 likesI absolutely love the army of diggers filing into the cave like rustic oompa loompas.
0 likes“Ave ya seen the heed?!” Is statement I’ve heard. It was a bit bizarre. We went to the place. It was a mummified European monk’s head in a formaldehyde tank or something. So odd. It’s it’s just off and and and weirdly macabre to say the least. Eesh.
0 likesThis story would actually inspire Billy Wilder's "Ace in the Hole (The Big Carnival)" released in 1951 which has a much darker and gritty tone to it but it is an incredible movie I would absolutely recommend.
0 likesThis story reminds me of Tony Kurtz on Mount Eiger as told by Joe Simpson in The Beckoning Silence. So close to salvation yet gripped by death.
0 likesMad respect for Miller, he's only in it for journalism but my man, he's one of the most dedicated member on saving Floyd!
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Back when there were real men in journalism
150 likes@Republicshallriseagain Back when there was real journalism.
132 likes@Republicshallriseagain There are journalists literally being murdered for trying to bring you the truth, but sure, shit on the whole profession for cheap Internet points.
0 likes@mrshmuga9 "Back when there was real journalism"
147 likesYeah, real journalism like "FLOYD CAVE HOAX EXPOSED". 😂
You know he is probably dead. Right?
0 likes@Parsaattle this was 100 years ago mate of course hes dead
13 likes@straight white male hilarious and original
40 likesI feel like it started out only as journalism but I feel like he ended up just actually caring in the end.
65 likes@mrshmuga9 wouldn't go that far corpos,elite cabalists,masonic lodges always ruled the mass/mainstream media since medieval ages.
0 likes@straight white male wat
25 likes@straight white male wat
8 likes@mrshmuga9 Funny you say that because the mainstream news was publishing outright lies in this story too. At least they corrected themselves later, I guess
0 likesEgotistic altruism
0 likes@Peace Master Still retracted on that one. Not seeing that nowadays, just mysteriously deleted from their pages (as if there wasn't any webpage archival tool an average guy can use).
1 like@Eduar I’m very confused here
0 likes@Random garbage I found on my hard drive yeah I got that but what relevance does any of this even have.
2 likes@Random garbage I found on my hard drive really good point actually. Thanks random stranger on the internet.
4 likes@TazmilyGum go away already jesus christ
0 likes@straight white male Take your meds you schizo
1 like@mrshmuga9 Not really, newspapers have always been terrible. He was basically a outsider that accidently stumbled on a big story. The industry was more interested in rumours and conspiracy theories (such as those shown in this video) He would later be fired and then move on to working in television.
2 likes@mrshmuga9 One good man does not redeem a profession of scoundrels, crooks, and vultures.
0 likesThe press was yellow long before him, and was so long afterwards. Hell, journos even exaggerated and misreported this very story at the time it was ongoing.
Only in it for journalism? After he got the interview with Floyd he could've moved on with his career, but he kept helping anyway. I think he realized how important he was because he was one of the only men slender enough and ballsy enough to get to Floyd.
0 likesMiller trying to get the rock off using a crowbar, a floor jack, and two stacks of wood is just standard operating procedure in a garage setting.
1 likeIt was kinda painful to watch this video knowing that, in the end, it doesn't have a happy ending at all.
0 likesHad me hooked from the beginning. What a tragic story.
0 likesSo does anybody have pictures of the cave hallow he was working towards? Kinda wanna know what was so beautiful a man risked his life to open it up.
0 likesHomer is seriously the best bro you could ever ask for. He’ll crawl into a dank cave, squeeze into a terrifying little cave opening with no hesitation, and do everything in his power to save his family. This video was amazing and I’ve already watched it too many times. Also I’m glad to finally find a channel that supports tank on tank romance.
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Miller was a pretty great dude too. Went there for a story, ended up risking his life to try to pull the dude out. He didn't have to go that far, but he did.
178 likesThe worst part of it all is that not only did they not succeed, the ultimate victor in this whole affair are the vultures. Guys who think it’s acceptable to put a corpse in the cave that killed him even after another team of people fought to get the body out and pay people 50 cents a pop to see.
96 likesAnd he'll eat donuts and say d'oh
1 likeWasn't Gerald the real hero?
3 likesYou watched the video many time? But why?
1 likeAhh but he didnt
0 likesIndeed! Bless the man for being so steadfast for Floyd.
1 like@My 9th Account Blame the government who allowed such actions to happen
1 like@ChangedNames Also blame the bystanders who caused the cave to collapse in the first placed while also saying they were going to free him while doing nothing.
3 likes@Manored remember he didint even know the dude risked his life went in and out multiple times and in the end he rejected a million $ offer meaning he literally did it for nothing but honor and respect
1 like@ChangedNames
0 likesNNOOOOOOOOOO....
They have NO business, at all, in telling a person what he can or can't do.
Unless you are directly endangering another life
You should be able to do whatever you choose
They only exist to protect our shores, and our interests.
It was hard to take it seriously with Wendigoon's face right there! I had to giggle!
0 likesI'm listening to your video while I do school work.
1 likeI'm an 1 hour in and everytime you say "miners" I hear "minors" and I can't help but think of a bunch of toddlers and teens trying to get floyd out and being payed nothing because child labor.
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LOL that is funny
0 likesI'm so sad that I haven't found your channel sooner. This is absolutely amazing storytelling and editing. I had to replay 1:05:55 again and again because that was too funny
8 likesWhen I watch a video of internet historian expecting laughs but instead get society and depression
1 likeThe fact that Johnnie Gerald simply showing up was enough to raise Floyds spirits is touching to say the least... not to mention the lengths this childhood friend and his brother went to! Human spirit... Never forget the simple good we can all do for one another and it's much easier than this example.
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Dont forget miller.
19 likes@TrickyJebus Did Floyd piss his pants while trapped down there?
2 likes@MK Ultra Unfortunately I did 😔
10 likesstill died tho
0 likesThey fed him 6 sausage sandwiches and cups of coffee? Anyone getting remotely close to him would need a nose plug!
2 likeshey, you should do the 33 chilean man trapped in a mine. similar story different outcome. love your videos ❤
0 likesThankyou for making the best content on Youtube. I watched the cost of concordia 3 times.
0 likesThe obscene dread imagining myself in this position is why I had to watch this video in short intervals over the week.
0 likesIt’s when he begged the miner to stay with him knowing a cave in was inevitable is what got to me the most. Even though Collins went as far as trying to trick the man there was no malice in it, just pure despair and fear…
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I wonder if he would've made it had the guy stayed with him
21 likes@Concept almost definitely not. He was there for 12 days without food or water. That’s certain death unless the other guy decided to cut off parts of his body to feed Collins.
113 likesA drowning man will drag you down with them. It ain't right, but the guy's drowning.
0 likesYeah, that part was far and away the most haunting/terrible for me as well
34 likesYeah he had been alone for days on end, no surprise he wanted company.
7 likes@MeChupaUnHuevon there was a bucket of coffee down there. So they could’ve held out for 12 days
6 likes@MeChupaUnHuevon Point is if the guy stayed with him the people would propably try to dig out the cave in instead of digging straight down
5 likes@Memeguppy The cave was so unstable at that point that the entire cave, not just the entrence to the sqeeze was going to collapse if they tried digging into the cave rather than straight out. If it was more efficent to dig in to the cave, they would have. It would have just meant there would be two dead people instead of just one.
4 likesIt's possible that Collins didn't think that people would continue to try to rescue him after the cave collapsed, so by trapping another person, especially a person from the military, he could be more confident that additional attempts would be made to save him. It may have been a last-minute hostage attempt born out of pure desperation and helplessness in a sudden moment. That's my theory anyway...
4 likes@Madison Brady How selfish, but I'll would've done the same anyway
0 likes@MeChupaUnHuevon I 100% agree, not to mention even though they were in a cave full of ice, there wouldn’t have been enough food or water for either of them
0 likes@Madison Brady I think you are overthinking it. We are talking about someone stuck in the dark, in a lot of pain, not eating or drinking anything for 24 hours at best at a time, soaked in freezing water and mostly alone for days on end. He was feeling nothing but pure terror at that point. He wasn't being calculated or selfish, he just didn't want to be alone anymore.
1 likeEvery time I watch these videos where people get themselves and predicaments like that, where they even sometimes die, I get so anxious that even in a wide open room I feel claustrophobic, I am one of those guys that would say no f**** way, and turn around and go back!!
0 likesEdit: however if it was one of my siblings I would have no choice but to swallow my fear and proceed just like home or did. 😳
Had me weeping for a man who died 100 years ago
0 likesIt sounds like a cautionary tale about the monkey's paw.
1 like'I want the whole country to know my name and have them visit me and my cave for decades to come!'
One finger curls on the monkey's paw...
What an incredibly odd story. Life is stranger than fiction.
0 likesThis is honestly heartbreaking...and morbid asf.
1043 likesWhen they said that the he likely died shortly after the light around him went out, I strongly suspect he lost absolutely all hope and fight in the cold darkness and resigned to dying alone without ever being dug out.
The idea that his hope died and then shortly after he followed is absolutely terrifying pure torture. I couldn't even begin to imagine his thoughts...
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I honestly felt physically ill at the story, even how his body was exploited for monetary gain after the fact was just so gut wrenching. The recurring false hope made it so much worse as well because I genuinely thought he would make it.
112 likes@Penelope Waters this was one of the most disturbing stories I have ever heard.
26 likesOn the plus side of all of that: His brother, childhood friend, and Journalist 100% made me feel like they would do anything and everything to get him out. I think it was just too long in the hole without anyone contacting him which made him feel like the cave in was too great for them to reach him.
35 likesYeah or the fact that the bulb was very inefficient and would have been a decent source of warmth (you know, like half the point of the thing) might have been what contributed to him dying of exposure 1 day after it went out.
36 likesJust saying.
The fact that the last person he saw looked him in the eye and left him there must have been the straw that broke him DX
12 likesIt always makes me so happy when you use the Medal of Honour soundtracks!
0 likesI wonder how this would be handled with todays technology and equipment.
0 likesThis has to be turned into a movie, if it has already someone please tell me
0 likesthis story is like "127 Hours" and "There will be Blood" on acid.
2 likesI'm honestly astounded that he lived for as long as he did. The human body is crazy in what it is sometimes able to withstand.
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Yeah I was watching that hour counter go up and was gutted when they said he died. It was up to something like 20 days by the time he died so he survived an ungodly amount of time.
118 likesTemperature is probably the thing that killed him. Or maybe thirst, what is probable (the part about him maybe getting some water is only a possibility), but it is important to say, he was lying and not able to move - so he didn't really need food this much. While not doing anything, human body needs very little to survive, of course he had to be really hungry etc. but still able to survive. But with so low temperature, covered in cold stone, and wet (even if the cave somehow wasn't wet, let's be honest, he had to pee in there and lying in it)... It is surprising he survived this long, even if this light he had gave him some heat.
62 likes@FChMaster yeah I agree with the coroner that it was exposure. His quality of life wouldn't have been great if he had been pulled out either from all of the damage of just laying there. Nasty things happen to you if you can't move.
27 likes@incredibleflameboy With your expert opinion I think we can finally lay this mystery to rest.
16 likesThe human body is absolutely fantastic at enduring. We're purpose- built to withstand more than you think we could! Broken bones are usually a death sentence for most of the animal kingdom, as are entire missing limbs. But here we are, living from amputations when medical science was in its INFANCY. and beyond that-- 90+ y/o people enduring on a diet of cigarettes and coke, folks that survive suicide by taking lead to the head, folks walking away from massive car crashes with scrapes and bruises... It's why I love working in an ER. The indomitability of the human spirit proves itself again and again as my docs and nurses work on what should be a death sentence.
33 likesNot to say we have the reverse-- I've needed moments of silence after working on some kid who zigged when he should've zagged. But fuck, we got folks running around in my community we thought were GONERS when they first came in.
it is amazing how resilient and at the same time frail the body can be
0 likesyou can get trapped for weeks at a time or get a metal bar thrust into your skull with explosive force and still live but if you have a little tumble and fall incorrectly, you die
@Nisah Urbina Um. Hi, I'm a biologist and, uh...no. Humans are incredibly fragile. And other animals can be really, really tough. I've seen animals with no jaw left survive, and even thrive.
2 likes@Amelia Bee Humans can regenerate really well and the fact we can work together is what makes us survivable. It's the human spirit that makes us tought not the body we are given. I trust the ER doc more than a biologist on the topic of human endurance.
15 likes@Amelia Bee while our bodies may not be the toughest, our minds are the strongest. What would stop most creatures from the ability to hunt and survive (missing limb, broken bones, blind, deaf), modern medicine and the will to live makes us an unstoppable species. I think that’s what the person meant
11 likes@Nisah Urbina Incredibly inspiring, thanks friend
3 likes@Amelia Bee No one asked
3 likes@Nisah Urbina I mean, taking a look, most reports of amputation mortality as far back as I can find suggest a 46-65% mortality rate.
2 likesAnd that isn't humans trapped in shit circumstances, that's 1700s and 1800s war and major city hospital figures. The best I got before modern medicine kicked off is civil war amputation mortality rates of 26-30%.
@incredibleflameboy and this is why I shouldn’t browse the comments while watching the video
0 likes@Amelia Bee our strength comes from us being such social creatures. There's countless evidence of us looking after our sick and elderly to the point of recovery (healed bones etc), it's why we're such a successful species. As a biologist, I don't really know why you're acting as if there's only one kind of strength and it's only valid through physical ability. Even most people who don't study the field understand there are different contexts to being a strong species.
4 likes@K Cannon yeah, I don't mean to be disrespectful but Bee doesn't strike me as someone who's actually studied the field of biology. Maybe just made it up in hopes to appear more credible, but the fact they seem to think strength comes only in physical ability speaks volumes. We're an incredibly successful species due to being highly social animals who looked after our sick and elderly and invested so much into our brain intelligence wise. (Obviously there's lots of other factors and lots of luck involved to get us to evolve as we have, but there's no way that strength comes from physical viability and nothing else).
0 likesReally wish people would drop this whole "survival of the fittest ("strongest" in this case)!!" Nonsense because that's such an incredible over simplification, lack of understanding and too much immaturity to think it all has to do with physical strength and physical strength only.
it continues to surprise me at what it can withstand and at how stupid and weak it is
0 likes@Fawn In a comparative sense, humans are much less able to survive extremes of temperature and other hardships than, say, wolves or antelope.
1 like@Thunderscout you should try to treat your ADHD , then
0 likesI’m getting like Thomas the tank engine narrator vibes 😂 pretty relaxing
0 likesThe cold probably put him in a type of hibernation, slowing his body down ironically extending his life
0 likesIf that light didnt go out he probably would have stayed alive
0 likes@seigeengine being in a war in the 1700s is a pretty shit circumstance to be fair.
0 likes@Octávio Rosa Sure, but my point is you probably also had relatively quick access to relatively experienced surgeons.
0 likesI imagine the mortality rate was higher for people who got amputations in other environments. Especially in cases like having your foot roughly torn off by a rock in a cave. I'd imagine the mortality rate for those kind of injuries was pretty near 100%. Heck, even today with the full brunt of modern medicine in a country like the US, traumatic amputations (that's an amputation done by some violent incident, like a car crash, not one done by a doctor) have a fatality rate of 15%.
@K Cannon Bodies aren't given broski.
0 likesMan that hit hard when he was found dead. Must of been a sight to see the crowd back in the day
0 likesWe live in the alternate universe where he did not survive and that's a damn shame.
0 likes27:45 reppin' the ODST soundtrack. absolute masterclass
0 likesIt’s truly the 8th wonder of the world how YouTubers who spend their whole time talking on a mic cannot voice act to save their lives
0 likesMiller seems like a real stand-up guy. Did everything he could and put himself in mortal danger to rescue a complete stranger, and then refused to profit off of the ordeal.
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Trueeeeee
13 likesok so what?
1 liketrue Badass
168 likesthe fact He was shoveling gravel in the cave on the biggest day of his journalistic career
533 likesTrue Chad, unlike all the phonies
242 likes@TwerkToSpec it's cool to know there were once good men back then...But all we have are you.
61 likesAt least they got him a Pulitzer for the trouble
124 likes@MrHenrry98 I've never seen so much journalistic integrity in my life. He earned it, more than anyone.
358 likesEspecially since he even went through the squeeze after so many had turned back cause of it. That was likely his first time even in a cave, and he did something expert cavers would wince at.
277 likes@TwerkToSpec you're a loser trying to piss people off (unsuccessfully) in a comment section, you have multiple other replies begging for attention, get a life.
0 likes@TwerkToSpec You literally just want attention, right?
60 likesI wish we had journalists like him today. Seriously the hero of this story in my eyes. We would've never heard about Floyd had it not been for Miller.
55 likes@Yosh I believe they exist, they just get buried beneath allot of bullshit
0 likesIt's the old days charm where man like miller still have dignity as a journalist and would genuinely try to help the people he wrote a story about
19 likes@Benjamin Lambert that’s not what journalistic integrity means lol. This is like gonzo journalism getting involved in the story, journalistic integrity just means being fair. Incredible guy but that’s just not what that means
36 likes@Diel a lot of journalists back in these times used to very actively cause more problems in stories so they could report on them, kind of like today really just in a more active sense. Miller was exceptional for back then as well
26 likes@Leon Connelly not profitting off of the story and just being content with doing your job however, is integrity.
56 likesshow me one of these rats that call themselves journalists today, and i show you a person that would write positive texts about mao
lol he was young and ambitious, and got himself a Pulitzer from it.
1 like@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin I don't think he would have been there so many days helping without being paid to help just for a fancy price.
18 likesEven if he took the money, I'd absolutely understand. Guess he never wanted this much attention.
14 likes@遠雷 lol, the naivete. Some journalists will do a hell of a lot more than that for their "fancy prize". They'll spend months under fire in warzones and get themselves murdered by gangsters, and endure years of hardship for their career ambitions. Characteristic of the personality type is only the dimmest sense of their own mortality, much like the people who go caving in the first place. Don't get me wrong, at least they are earning their damn "prizes" and success in the field, and they may or may not have personal motivation too. But its emblematic of how the world is the way it is that you infants see people doing things that bring them success and money and are gushing at their selflessness.
7 likes@Leon Connelly ahh is that so. Thanks for the info
1 likeThe fact that all the cave rescues issues started cause there was too many people invested in it blows my mind. They killed him by “praying” for him.
3 likes@Noah Hascall no, they killed him by setting up campfires and piling garbage up outside the turnaround part of the cave.
29 likesI'm pretty sure Kotaku journalists are 10x braver!
4 likes@ok Yeah like I said. All the randos being there to "help" killed him.
5 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin imagine calling others naive while having written that 🤡
13 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin You're a clown dude.
1 like@Yosh What about the journalists in Ukraine?
0 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin he literally decline a million dollar contract fir what? A medal?
8 likesHmmm believe It or not I’m not sure every journalist is a Maoist lol what are you talking about
1 like@Leon Connelly Oh, I'm sure there are a few journos who wouldn't better the world by their passing.
0 likesProbably.
But in the balance, the world would still be much better off if we lined them all up against a wall and gave them what they want to give people like me.
@TwerkToSpec he was a gigachad, that's what
1 like@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin He declined a contract for more money. You seem upset people were trying to do the right thing. Seems to have challenged your worldview so you decided to cherry pick information. Don't worry it happens to people without the courage.
10 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin Usually I wouldn't resort to using a point as juvenile as this - but: What have you done to make you think you can speak so high and mightily about morality and bravery? Even if Miller had only done what he did for the Pulitzer Prize (which I doubt), he still risked neck and limb for a complete stranger. By the way you talk this, you just sound like some edgy contrarian that wants to feel like he "knows" something everyone else doesn't.
2 likeshis friend too was a real hero going back in when it was collapsing
1 like@Diel I think this story perfectly illustrates how people in "the old days" were people, same as today. For every hero you've got a dozen unhelpful dickheads and greedy opportunists. He was just an exceptional guy.
3 likes@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin He literally denied millions of dollars lol.
1 like@Shakes.Don't know what yer gettin Whoa buddy get off reddit, nothing wrong with helping people and not expecting anything in return.
2 likeswow! ya got me! brilliant story telling!!! subscribing now!!! 🥰
0 likesRIP FLOYD COLLINS. May your soul be in eternal peace.
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0 likesThe grotto that he found has never been confirmed. The large grotto chamber which he was digging towards. I wonder what it looked like considering he died for it...
3 likesIt's still down there... In the darkness... Any takers?
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Are there drones small enough to fit? If so, someone could send a drone in with a light and camera.
0 likes@C L When taking the body out, they went in from the opposite side so they should've seen it already
0 likesi kept putting myself off from watching this vid cause i thought it would be boring and not as good or entertaining as your other vids but now that i finished it i think its even better
0 likesWilliam Miller is such a chad. Actual good journalist, brave enough to plumb the depths and responsible for bringing so much interest and so many resources to this situation!
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Gerald, Miller, and Homer are the GOATs.
20 likesRemember at one time journalists were fucking cool
22 likesand turned down a million dollars
2 likesIf they ever made a movie off of this they need to have Jamie Bell or Tom Holland portray him, he had the exact look. They even nicknamed him Skeets because he had to be so small to get through the squeeze
3 likes@stan jones Ironically, this was probably the worst example of this; this was only a decade after the heyday of yellow newspapers and the sensationalism boom; (~1890's-early 1900's) where yellow journalism would over sensationalize everything, such as misleading the public to think that Spain exploded a US warship, which led the USA into war over perceived aggression from Spain.
0 likesGoes to show human integrity can be found in the worst of places.
I'll never go into a cave again after watching this and then the movie "The Cave" right after.
0 likesI think I just gave myself a new phobia. lol
This destroyed me. I just kept thinking about if this was my brother. Imagine trying to move on and then some asshole buys your dead brothers corpse to turn into a side show attraction! Tragic
1 likeGreat documentary. Thanks for creating this.
0 likesAfter all of this I think that we all can agree that Homer is a real one
1 likeDespite how it turned out, we need to give some kudos to Miller. The dude was a REPORTER, no caving experience, and yet was one of the few to reach Floyd and one of 3 or 4 to actually do a lot of work that could have resulted in him being saved in a more idealised world, where people being trapped underground isn't seen as a tourist attraction
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Guy was an absolute chad, willing to go to hell and back for his job, even refused to directly profiteer from the story, and even assembling a team of cavers to finish Floyd's job, god bless his soul.
12 likesHe wasn't just a reporter, he was a man.
9 likesWhich is hundreds of times more than you can say about contemporary "journalists"
idk man while that is true, if they had not gone back just like Gerald had asked, Floyd could have been saved.
1 like@ἀστροπελέκι damn i guess modern day war journalists are not real journalists (or men) then!
0 likesI cannot believe I didn't know that absolutely incredible story.
0 likes48:25 Tell me this isn’t Wendigoon’s favorite part of the video 😂
0 likesThat was such a great video please make more videos like this❤❤
0 likesThe fire fighter's line about "the time for strategy is over" isn't incorrect
0 likes"No more hour-long videos," he said, before turning around and giving us this masterpiece.
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2 likesI don't understand why the man didn't focus on making the way IN bigger before working on the entrance to the evidently glorious cave on the other side.
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0 likesAce in the Hole (1951) dramatized this. Phenomenal film, highly recommend.
0 likesHe should not work alone. It's insane! Does anyone else know he's in there? Not carrying extra lights is insane.
0 likesMan, i just realized after the third time watching this that he had to endure going to the bathroom on himself and staying that way in that smelly mess for like a month…
1 likeHomer, Miller, and Gerald are real ones. Repeatedly going back trying to help out Floyd. Mad respect.
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Real whats
1 like@Oliver Jabroni AY REEEL HUEMANN BEAN
25 likesE
2 likes@Oliver Jabroni REAL HUMAN BEANS
7 likesAnd Burdon, even if his pull idea didn’t work
5 likes@Sam True, I was a bit hesitant though only because it didn't work. I have a feeling they didn't notice how bad it wasn't working, but oh well.
0 likesIronically, Floyd’s wish for the cave to become a tourist attraction was granted
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0 likesWhy does every Floyd die from the result of bodily complications caused by being crushed by something
3 likesMe at beggining of story "Well of course they gonna rescue him how else can this story go" me at the end"Oh god oh no how IS THAT EVEN LEGAL jessus crist make it stop this poor poor man."
1 likeThis is the most anxiety producing video you have ever made. An absolute treasure.
0 likesI actually felt sick as the animation backed out of the cave, showing how deep he was in. That contextualized these incidents for me like nothing ever has before.
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Same. IH is a great storyteller and the animation set once he was done with the introduction gave me shivers in a way I didn't expect
6 likesDude yea being in a cave is one of my biggest fears if not my biggest one I’ve watched too many videos like this one lol
3 likes"Floyd, tomorrow, you're gonna be a free man."
1 like...oh how things proceeded.
Poor man really died. The cave heard he wanted to make it into a tourist attraction and the cave fought back by turning him into the tourist attraction
1 likeI just listened to this while I was at work. What a story! So disappointing though 😂
1 likeI am so far at minute 5, and I am no joke about to feel a panic attack.
1 likeI feel so horrible for Floyd. The idea of being trapped like that alone is not something I would wish on anyone. Glad his brother did everything in his power both before and after Floyd's death to bring him home.
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Ngl I cried when he was found dead
45 likesYeah this is horrible, if it weren't for all these squabbling gawkers destroying the cave with their presence maybe he would've lived.
69 likes@Chickenator if he wasn't the kind of idiot to go spelunking through dangerous caves, maybe he would've lived, too….
7 likes@Gary Mericano Nah, the real killer here is going spelunking ALONE. Had rescue operations been able to be mounted like several hours earlier, they could've absolutely gotten him out in time.
67 likesAlso, if his Intent was to create access to.the cave for tourists, why wouldn't he clear out the turnaround room before clearing more stuff further down?
10 likes@Gary Mericano You have to understand, this is a man who has almost nothing, living in backwater kentucky with a father that can barely even run the farm himself, let alone properly teach his son. Not to mention, it's his passion. The idea was just to create a proper path into the gypsum cave as fast as possible, so he could start operating it as a tourist attraction. Clearing out the turnaround room further could've taken months on its own.
54 likesThe most heart breaking part for me was when he begged the man to stay with him even if he knew that would kill the man too
12 likesbro ngl hes a committed brother. being alone is hard enough but being completed trapped is horrifying even for someone who isn't claustrophobic. i can say with utmost certainty, if any of my family were ever in a similar predicament i wouldn't have the courage to even attempt sadly
2 likes@Gary Mericano yeah it was obvious he was desperate for money. i mean its cave tourism? so far he kept digging in further and further and its cool he found like natural holes but no one wanted to go in the squeeze??? you think theyd go all the way in?? it was clearly a rushed effort
0 likes@Fossil Draws if he had a hand free, definitely would have grabbed him
0 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likes@RedPhoenix120 I think part of the problem was that few people could fit through the squeeze in the first place and at the time the only reason to crawl through would be to try and help dig him out which at the time seemed impossible
0 likesWhat the fuck is this roller-coaster?! Unreal story, well told.
0 likesI haven’t committed to a hour long vid in a quite some time now… thank you again my favorite internet professor 👨🏫
0 likesliterally find the first five minutes of this difficult to watch the claustrophobia is so terrifying
0 likesSeems like the places closer to the opening of the cave ought to be opened first if you're opening the cave to tourists...
1 likeThis has got me excited to spend the rest of my life not cave diving
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Don't be afraid To go caving. Go safely, there's wide-open caves with high ceilings, if you don't think you can do a squeeze don't do it, carry food and water, be aware of temperature for caves. Carry 2 plus light sources, never go alone. Wear protective gear. Caving is a beautiful experience, this is a freak accident from the 1920s, cave ins are extremely rare and this story is a disaster
19 likesMake sure you tell multiple people where you're going and if you're not in touch after x amount of time as well. Safety is priority. I've done a handful of caves, more so an urban explorer but i don't mind going under ground, it's peaceful, you see beautiful things, you explore and create memories, you get grimy you do and see things you'll never see above ground. Try finding a local grotto willing to teach you and go with you. There are plenty.
4 likes@Julian Schaffer even without this horrible story I think deeps are pretty scary, scuba or cave diving its so unsettling. Also there is a lot of fun on surface.
6 likes@Julian Schaffer I think you're crazy and there's that...j/k but also no excuse me hell no......
0 likes@Alperen Öztürk yeah that's why i won't go more than a couple hours in a cave unless im with someone experienced that knows the cave
0 likes@Alperen Öztürk and after seeing so much in the surface i need more. Caves, drains, mines. Whatever gets me underground.
0 likes@Julian Schaffer Yeah the fun on the surface part is not a strong argument. And not getting scared of depths, especially narrow caves require big balls. And your wording "Whatever gets me underground." killed me stay safe mate.
2 likes@Alperen Öztürk haha thanks man. I don't fuck with squeezes myself. Mines are much more dangerous than caves though.
2 likes@Alperen Öztürk drains are pretty safe if you use your head and go on a dry spell.
0 likesBy that logic you don’t drive
0 likes@Julian Schaffer a cave wrote this
2 likes@J.P bunkum cave is my name come get your boots stuck in my clay (;
0 likes@Airplane Mxde not sure what thid means? I can drive fine. Legally? Not so much lol
0 likesThis *
0 likesI loved your narration of this story.
0 likesIf you look up the definition of loyalty in the dictionary you’ll see a picture of Floyd
0 likesthis entire incident really encompasses all the bad and good humanity can make. from selfless and pure will of wanting to save a life to fucked up shit of profiteering over a dead man who clearly suffered so much.
0 likesGreat video. I'd never heard of this event, fascinating but depressing as hell.
0 likesAlso, because I'm THAT GUY - music list seems to be missing the Limgrave theme from Elden Ring, can be heard at 45:26.
That was the most American story ever told. Bravery, exploration, shameless profiteering, government grandstanding followed by government betrayal, heartbreak, grave robbing, honoring the dead...
3743 likesIt really had it all. Well... no love story but that'll be in the movie for sure.
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Wow, you really summed it up in 4 sentences. That's a talent of its own.
85 likesIt was a brotherly love story.
106 likesOur love stories are mostly just fiction anyway
17 likesYou forgot the conspiracy theories, which spread like wildfire.
84 likesHow would you cast it? I could see this being an amazing movie or Netflix series
3 likesyes
2 likesWhy HASN'T a movie been made about this story yet? Sure, it's a tragedy and it could potentially be seen as insensitive, but even more people died on Titanic and look how that story was treated.
16 likes@olserknam Ace in the Hole by Billy Wilder has a lot of similarities to this story. Strongly recommend watching it.
6 likesgood old fashion American grave robbing, t'aint nuthin like it. we rob our graves right 👍
0 likesWhere’s the racism tho
7 likes@Charlie Weitzenberg True... the Democrats just started the KKK around that time so that should have been featured.
0 likesVery well said. It was an incredible story that showcased lots of the good and bad aspects of humanity.
0 likesThe cave seemed to me like less of a location and more of an entity, like it grew attached to Floyd and didn't ever want to let him go.
8 likesMaybe that was the love story all along? The (not quite) love between a cave and a man?
Oh, surely *someone* will marry the corpse.
0 likesThis is 'Muricah.
@Alp Soup perfect
0 likesAs a matter of fact, there’s a musical about Floyd Collins. I saw it a couple years ago, it’s pretty good. You can find songs from it on YouTube
1 likeyeehaw
0 likesLiterally! As soon as I heard about the shameless business and contract practices that occurred, the younger stepmother that Floyd had a good relationship with and the government turning their backs on the rescuers, I just thought "wow, this is for Hollywood"
1 like@Charlie Weitzenberg Maybe racism isn't as American as you think it is. :3
1 likeE
0 likesI find it fascinating that when the light went out, was when his own life went out.
0 likesAs for another thing no one’s talking about that absolutely adds significant discomfort to all of this. Where exactly do you think he went to the bathroom all this time?
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There was probably a small bathroom right around the corner from where he was trapped. I imagine he went there between interviews and rescue attempts for some much-needed privacy.
2 likesI grew up in Hopkinsville KY about 2 1/2 hours from Cave City. I had heard this story before but nit this much detail. Thank you.
0 likesIf Mr Ballen has taught me anything then to NEVER go exploring caves or climb into chimneys.....
0 likesHigh key loving how Internet Historian is slowly transitioning from funny Internet stories to actual history.
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Same here. But at the same time, I wouldn’t mind him making the occasional short internet history funny video
100 likesTrue but at the same time idk where to go for internet stories like he does. Tbh he should do both
29 likesWell, I wouldn’t categorize them in such a polarized way… funny internet stories they may be, they are still history, and may be a useful tool for seeing how things ended up the way they did far into the future— or maybe only a couple of decades from now.
46 likesI agree, he tells a fantastic story! If anyone enjoyed this, I highly recommend watching The Gentleman Pirate and The Swedish Job on the Incognito Channel.
6 likes@TexasDragon 1995 this, but well we can only hope
0 likesIt's all history thoo
0 likesStill funny though. I really appreciate how his budget/production value grows with the channel.
2 likes@TexasDragon 1995 The stuff on his second channel still have some of that 2014-2017 energy.
8 likesThe internet is only 25 years old, so he ran out of content.
3 likesAlways have been bang
1 likeIt's all related though. This is one of the first ever broadcast rolling news stories; news as entertainment, attracting unwanted public attention. It's IH's specialty: how a widespread public response affects, and is affected by, the media.
0 likesThe broadcast radio and newspapers provided updates on Floyd more than daily- regardless of whether they were true or not.
The media attracted more helpers to the scene; but in general the public enjoyed themselves, stood around and gawked, harassed the family, wasted rescuer's time, spread rumours and made hoaxes, hampered government funding, and them being there at all actually contributed to the cave collapse which eventually killed Floyd.
naw
1 likesame with Lemino, from top 10 facts/memes to investigative videos. His Jack the Ripper infographics is my favorite
0 likesIn a different timeline Floyd succeeded in turning it into an, ahem, tourist trap, and it caves in, killing dozens of people.
0 likesJust imagine how many times he shat himself
4 likesGreat job! I am so glad that the story of Floyd is still being told. One minor correction though, his body wasn't returned to Sand Cave, it was placed in the cave that the Collins family ran as a commercial cave call Crystal Cave, which was crucial in the efforts made to connect the Flint Ridge System to the Mammoth Cave System making it the world's longest (now over 426 miles long). There's a really good book called Trapped! The Story of Floyd Collins by Roger Brucker & Robert Murray. If anyone has the chance to visit the National Park, go down the boardwalk to the entrance of Sand Cave and just try to imagine everything that took place there. It's spooky, beautiful and amazing.
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Why would the Collins family put their own family member on display? I have doubts
0 likesThis guy and oversimplified make the best ads in their vids... and of course each video absolute banger
1 likerarely am I 100% attentive on a youtube video this long but the story was told so well
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Collaboration incoming?
4 likesIH is always a long watch, and always worth it, even if you see the end going.
4 likesAgree - normally I play games while I listen to the videos, but this one I had to watch full screen
2 likesDoes anybody else see the problem with the tourist idea?
0 likesnobody even wants to go down there
New to Internet Historian? All his 45 min+ videos are exactly like this, un-unwatchable.
2 likesI don't think I've ever spent more than 20 minutes on a YouTube video... but somehow managed to make it through the whole hour.
2 likesAbsolute masterpiece.
some of yall are unappreciative as FUCK 😂😂
1 likeDude you always comment on videos but I never checked your channel.
0 likesBest video ever, thank you Internet Historian
0 likesAn excellent storytelling!
0 likesMy favourite part was when they said "it's Lenin time" and put his embalmed corpse on display
1 likeFloyd being turned into a tourist attraction and being presented like Vladimir Lenin and it actually working sounds like a bit from SNL
1 likeGerald managing to move a HALF TON of rock single-handed is some real king shit.
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As Bill Maher put it, people were rougher back in the day.
95 likesWhy the rest of the guys didn't try to move any rocks out of the way is beyond me... goin.. I'll be back... instead of doing stuff to actually help...
144 likesAnd I'd say Floyd himself was an idiot as well. He could've chopped down some wood to prop up the cave entrance, made it a lot safer, and he could've widened the gosh darn entrances everywhere, instead of rushing in like an idiot.
yes
4 likes"16 tons what do you get another day older and deeper in depth"
23 likesalso adrenaline and maybe
3 likesWhile moving half a ton of rock over 8hrs isn't a big deal, staying in that cave working such a small void is some balls of steel work
64 likes@Emperor of Mankind This. It is not a great feat of strength, and while it is an impressive feat of stamina, you could do this.
16 likes@Marvin Cool bill mahers a cuck
0 likes@The Major we’re talking 1920’s here safety wasn’t the first thing on most peoples minds especially not some guy living in the hill lands of Kentucky that goes into the same cave every single day
13 likes@The Major Congrats, you would have fitted in well with the other people gawking at the cave from afar.
27 likesMVP
0 likes@Nyllsor not to be that guy but unless you're making some cave joke, it's debt not depth
0 likes@Nyllsor Saint Peter don’t you call me cause I can’t go, I sold my soul to the company store
3 likesWhat a bummer
0 likesA thousand pounds ain't reall that much. It's impressive for the room he had, but not really that crazy.
1 likeWhat ever happened to Gerald after all this? I was curious.
1 likeI think the circumstances are really impressive and i agree with the sentiment, but if you've ever done landscaping before, moving a ton of soil takes about an hour for a layperson to do. The volume is actually nowhere near as imposing as it seems.
0 likes@The Major widening the cave hole could of damaged the stability of it.
1 like@styk0n 1000 LBS is equal to a small car, it is easily as imposing as it seems, you just think its impressive because of the little patch he was in, but it was more impressive because he did it with a fucking paint can.
0 likesLiterally
0 likes@blackdome98 Personally, I would've been in the group of people who got to the Squeeze and noped. I'm not claustrophobic per se, but, well....nope.
1 like@Aiden Yorke A car is greater than the sum of its parts. 1000 lbs. of car parts is far easier to move by hand than an assembled car.
0 likes@SaltpeterTaffy no fucking shit mate
0 likes@Aiden Yorke I'll take that to mean you don't realize why your statement is not valid.
0 likes@SaltpeterTaffy well, as im lazy and not going to the bottom of this comment, i dont care.
0 likesE
0 likes@blackdome98 Perfect wording, same thoughts
0 likesdude i do that daily several times, not in the cave though
0 likes@Marvin Cool Yeah less conservatie snowflakes back then. 🤣😂
0 likes@Wilder7
0 likesCompany stow^
Excellent. REALLY WELL DONE. Thanks!!!
0 likesThe opening scared me so much (OH GOD I LIVE IN KENTUCKY IS THE CAVE GONNA EAT ME?) but then I got hit with "for reference, here's a subway sandwich" and I was comforted by remembering what channel I was watching
0 likesIts hindsight and I might be lacking some perspective, but you'd think if so many "tough guys" showed up wanting to save the day you just start giving them pickaxes and just try to make the tunnel bigger. Has to be better than standing around
0 likesIs it weird that I sat steady throughout all of Cost of Concordia- even the ship listing and and the flooding and all that- but got incredibly tense just seconds into this?
0 likesWent into this completely blind and was taken for a roller coaster ride of emotions, and was thoroughly devastated at Floyd's fate, amazing storytelling and effort all around Mr. Historian
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I just call him Int or Internet. We're on a first name basis.
4 likes@C McMullen wat
0 likes@LateNightRewrites fuck my b. I was passed out. Didnt know i commented these
0 likes@C McMullen no worries fella 👍
0 likesthe state refusing to pay the workers was a dick move, as was digging up his corpse to be a tourist attraction
2 likesHas anyone besides Floyd ever seen the Grotto chamber that he actually tried to show the public?
0 likesWe’re gonna need an FTX collapse summary because there’s some weird stuff going on over there
1 likedude, as someone who is TERRIFIED when someone even sits on top of me.. I would have died when I even entered the cave.
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Lmao
0 likesI have claustrophobia, and I can't watch this video. I can't stop imagine i was there instead of him and I'm terrified. What a horror. Anyone else can't or have problems to watch?
0 likesSo did anyone ever find that hidden room that Floyd was trying to make an entrance to?
0 likesi LOVED the delivery on the story.
0 likesI saw internet historian and expected meme history, I am pleasantly surprised with what I got! Subscribed!
0 likesThe full hour of the rescue story is a tale of the pure kindness and determination by people to save and honor someone
1886 likesThe last 9 minutes are a sharp "nevermind."
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Perfect example of how capitalism destroys humanity. People were out there doing the work to save this man, willing to walk away for the most part when many of them were never paid for their efforts. But then as soon as money could be made by putting his corpse on display in the same place all those people worked tirelessly to try to free him from in the first place, suddenly money is the only thing that matters-- Even the judge sided with the businessman who turned his corpse into a tourist show. It's so depressing, but one of the clearest cases of capitalism eroding human compassion that I have ever seen. It's just so blatant and undeniable.
191 likes@effluviah Capitalism didn't kill Floyd. Nature did.
121 likes@Hawkbone Nah capitalism did, since Floyd wanted some serious money from his underground attraction in the first place
85 likes@Hawkbone sure
5 likes@effluviah I find it ironic that you are using this story to push an agenda while complaining that others are using a story to make profit. Its not capitalists fault that people are heartless bastards.
0 likes@effluviah Laughs in Lenin's Mausoleum.
1 likeThirst for power is what leads people to trample human dignity, it's not proper to money and capitalism.
It's part of human nature, really. Some people just have a lower bar to how far they can go into trampling other people for their own gain.
Some put on display corpses.
Some buy iPhone made by exploited Chinese people and containing minerals extracted by children.
Some demonize and exclude from society people based on their personal choices, for political power.
Very different levels of trampling, for very different gains.
Always been this way, far before capitalism even existed, and will always be this way.
@Sausage Floyd had been exploring caves since he was very young. If the lamp had gone out the very first time he went in, the exact same thing would have happened. Same if it was his second time, or his third, fourth, etc.
139 likesOften times, tragedy simply...happens. Life doesn't care what economic system or political beliefs you have. It would be unbelievablly naive and simple minded to attribute Floyd's death to a flaw in human society. These terrible things would happen regardless of any of that.
Say it with me now, normies. "Everything I don't like is capitalism"
141 likes@effluviah greed*
13 likes@Epistemophiliac they put his corpse on display for money? How is that not capitalism
0 likes@effluviah "capitalism bad give upvotes"
58 likes@Epistemophiliac And "Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi."
0 likesThe basics of internet conversation.
@effluviah This is truly a harrowing, mournful story that requires the utmost care and reverence.
70 likesup next, Capitalism Bad: where we throw critical thinking and nuance to the wind and give you a hyperbolic, surface level snippit on why it was capitalism and only capitalism that caused events to transpire as they did, and is definately not using a tragic event to push a political agenda; I mean when does that ever happen...
@effluviah
54 likesPeople like you act like capitalism invented greedy people, it doesn't matter the system, bad people will find a way to exploit it.
@Sausage
1 likePeople like you act like capitalism invented greedy people, it doesn't matter the system, bad people will find a way to exploit it.
Stop cooooming to coooomunism you cooomies
0 likes@effluviah
42 likesConveniently ignoring the part where a capitalist business owner basically shuts down his mine, takes his workers and does everything he can to try to save this man despite the fact that it probably cost him a ton.
really, the last 9 minutes don't make me say that at all. What matters is what happened when he was alive, and they tried hard. The disposition of the corpse is irrelevant.
0 likes@effluviah Why even bring up the judge? Their job is to follow the law impartially, not to decide based on fee fees. It's not the judge's fault Floyd's father was stupid and/or careless enough to make a deal that turned Floyd's corpse into a tourist show.
12 likesAlso kepitelism bad can I have some updoots please.
@effluviah This isn't an issue with Capitalism, this is an issue of greed. Greed exists in all political structures. There is no world in which there isn't a person willing to exploit another, which is depressing but it's truth.
24 likes@Hawkbone Pure cope.
5 likesConsidering his corpse literally got made into a trophy by capitalism.
@Japanese Music Archive thank you for saying that.
1 like@Hawkbone Floyd only put himself in a situation to be killed like that because he lived in a capitalist society that encourages people to make as much money as they can as fast as they can at any risk
0 likes@LordVader1094 Systems dont comit sins. People do.
12 likesBlaming capitalism for a man's death is as foolish as blaming communism. Its not the system its the people. People do horrible things. There is no if, and, but, or why. Its human nature to be equal parts hero and monster. For all the grandstanding about using a man's corpse for profit how many here are doing the same for ideological messages. Hell, even this video is the same, profit from this man's story of suffering. And we are here. Bantering over his grave.
Now I will say no more.
@Sausage in a socialist society where people get to work jobs that they’re good at, Floyd will still be in that cave exploring it and prepping it for the world to see. Floyd’s passion had always been caves. If he focused on money he would have become a farmer instead.
0 likes@effluviah would LOVE to hear what system would have been so much better for humanity.
3 likes@Jean Hunter nuclear destruction, no more poverty or unequality! War is gone and so is hunger! No more struggling to save a destroyed environment!
3 likes@Jean Hunter me communism, we learned from all those who also learned from the USSR ;)
1 like@Hawkbone Hawkbone you must have a short memory...remember what floyd was doing there in the first place? At the beginning of the video?
0 likesCapitalism. The motive. Part of the method. All of the crime.
@Hawkbone He didn’t say capitalism killed Floyd, he said it’s destroying humanity (ie law gaming a family out of a corpse to put it on display for tourist money.)
0 likes@Hawkbone If you had paid attention to the video, then you would know that's not true at all. It wasn't the lamp going out that trapped as it wasn't the first time. It was him accidentally pulling the rock which unclogged the pocket of gravel above him to crash down on him
1 like@GR-81 Ah so the least empathetic and caring for human life?
1 like@Sangral Knight Pretty much, like it’s not a coincidence that every system we come up with that’s aimed to somehow improve society almost always ends up being corrupted in some form or another.
0 likes@Matthew Kennedy This HAS To be satire right?
0 likes@Jean Hunter Pretty sure they’re both being sarcastic, Jean
0 likes@Epistemophiliac
0 likesRemember
Commies aren't human. Shooting them is merely destruction of state property
Unironically these monsters will murder you, your entire family and 90% of your nation just to get their retarded ideology to "Work" as it devolves into a totalitarian backwards nightmare. They are undeserving of human rights
@da jokah baby 5+ years ago I’d think so, but you’d be surprised now adays with some people I’ve met in person and online.
0 likesFloyd worked harder than anyone to become a rich man, he ended as a corpse, trapped in a cave, exploited for capital by a man who was already filthy rich. I don' t think there's a better analogy to demonstrate how much of a scam the American dream is and how purely evil capitalism is.
0 likesWithout capitalism you wouldn't be watching this video numbnuts.
0 likes@Mico Chen Dumbass, he loosened the rock his foot because he had to feel his way out of a dark cave after his lamp went out.
0 likes@Jean Hunter …no, I actually want to destroy the world. OF COURSE it’s satire!
0 likesAnd systems don’t have feelings, communism cares just as much about you as capitalism. Go look at the Rockefeller period, there is a reason the US made anti-trust laws and other things like it at that time period. Its because the rich capitalists basically ruled the country for a while, and we paid for it in human life! Only after regulation became involved did things get better. Both systems are imperfect, communism just manifests its imperfections quicker.
And honestly you can’t really blame either system for their imperfections, both would work were it not for human flaws like greed and a desire for power.
Capitalism relies upon human greed, so I’d be shocked if we couldn’t find a better system, but we’d never be able to switch to it unless it benefitted those in power.
@effluviah if it was communism he would have starved long before ever getting trapped in the cave.
4 likes@LordVader1094 muh capitalism! Said redditor munching on his vegan steak while less than 100 years ago people were starving to death under communism. So progressive!
4 likes@5uperM Heck, even the children of Party members suffered malnutrition when I was a kid. Fish head soup was pretty darn common except Party members had ready supplies of good food.
1 like@effluviah more like journalism, but keep blaming the wrong people.
0 likes@Sausage He did it because he wanted to. Capitalism gave him the liberty to make the risk
2 likes@Hawkbone Why does your reply to sausage have nothing to do with their comment?
0 likesI really had a banger comment and y’all turned my replies into “The Cold War and it’s consequences” 💀
1 like@Feathers McGraw people to argue about shit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand
0 likeslegitimately wanna cry for Floyd and I'm not all the way through yet but this makes me feel SO ANXIOUS!
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0 likesTo anyone who found this video interesting I highly recommend that you look up the story of Josh Jones and the Nutty Putty Cave.
0 likesNot going to lie, the person who voiced Homer sounds a lot like Ned Flanders to me
0 likes14:36 - 10 hours to get there... jesus thats unthinkable, its like an hour and a half with modern roads.
0 likesLet's not forget his childhood friend came and shifted a half tonne of rocks by hand. We all need a friend like that.
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a true bro
1 likeHa! That’s nothing! I have many friends on social media and I bet they’d all come to my aid, right guys?!
2 likes… guys?
Seeing the contraption with the jack makes me glad to have airbags for shit like this.
1 likeNo one will ever convince me that this is fun. All these people are in on something, I will not have it any other way. Never will I ever go into a cave where I can barely fit.
0 likesThis is hands down the most depressing video on the channel holy shit. He died a agonizingly slow painful death.
0 likeshow did they know the weight of the rock that fell on Floyd's ankle ?
0 likesdid they take it out or something ?
It’s just pains me to know that Homer and the others were so close, but yet so far away from saving Floyd. It must have haunted Homer’s mind for the rest of his life. I hope those two are reunited again in the afterlife.
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You wouldn't want to know about Nutty Putty Cave
23 likes@Miðgarðsormr Apophis You're right, we would not.
18 likes@Miðgarðsormr Apophis Honestly not as bad. His death was horrible, but there was never really any hope of getting him out, and it was still faster than what happened to Floyd.
19 likesNot even Homer Simpson could save George Floyd, his fate was.... sealed.
19 likes@Pepto oh this is good
2 likes@Beep Bop Did you not pay attention to the video? They certainly would have been able to dig him out, but several mistakes lead to the cave's structure collapsing before they could free him. Maybe it was inevitable in the deterministic sense, but theoretically they could have gotten him out. It wasn't necessarily a no-hope situation.
1 like@Marco Bott I was referring to the man who died at nutty putty cave. He was basically dead the moment he decided to try and go through the crack in which he got stuck.
2 likesDamn you spoiled it
0 likes@Confusing Content imagine going deep into the comment section of a video you haven't watched yet and complaining about spoilers
1 like@AK I was an hour in and got bored. I have full rights to complain about spoilers, buckaroo.
0 likes@Confusing Content idiot
0 likesSo how’s that whole “shorter videos” thing working out for you?
0 likesNo but seriously, this is great!
Sad to think they were so close with the jack and crow bar. then the damn cave had to collapse
0 likesMe hearing terrible war crimes:calm
1 likeMe hearing the videos intro: nightmares
this gave me red dead redemption 2 strangers and freaks vibes, i wish they referenced it in a way, something similar if you went into a cave,
0 likesbut also, why didn't they look for a way around him to get access to the rock? was that the only pathway?
The greatest tragedy of all was the fact that all of this was for nothing: The guy went down there hoping to open up a path to an incredibly impressive chamber in the cave for the sake of tourism, but nevermind how even experienced cave delvers would balk at the route in question, the whole thing came down after only a few days of traffick in and out. It was a doomed endeavor from the very beginning. He died trying to create a path that would inevitably collapse once tourism started.
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The homie Miller was at least able to locate the crystal cave with scientists. So at least he was able to share his discovery with the world, just not the way he intended.
479 likes"In 1954, he returned to the Mammoth Cave National Park area with a group of 32 people (journalists, scientists, and explorers) who were eager to study the famous Crystal Cave that Collins had originally discovered in 1917. They entered it, and spent an entire week exploring; Miller told an Associated Press reporter the Crystal Cave, with its "flower-like formations of gypsum, 'was like an orchid paradise' and despite its role in the tragedy of Collins' death, it was still a place of amazing natural beauty."
Its also tragic how much the public continuously made things worse as time progressed. I can't imagine the disappointment of the four people who actually wanted to see him alive, and the anger they must have felt at the mishandling of the situation by the public
305 likesNot really, all cave I have been in are like this due to its softer, eroded metarial. I bet anyone want to open a cave they have to open a entrance first, reinforce it, then open to tourist.
34 likesPretty sure he was experienced enough to know to get the cave reinforced before opening it to the public.
56 likes@samuraiwarrior87 he should have focused on making the entrance safe and opening up the squeeze rather than trying to get into the crystal cave
72 likes@samuraiwarrior87 Maybe, but don't assume that a Kentucky farmboy and cave explorer would know much about geology or cave stability, and if a cave is unstable enough, reinforcement just isn't possible. I mean, the tunnel he was working in was just one rock kick away from dumping gravel on him and trapping him. His working to expand that tunnel would inevitably bring it down on him one dayif that's the case. If a single rock was all that supported it, that section of the cavern was by no means stable. It is quite possible that no amount of reinforcement could have made that route safe, even if he had access to the knowledge, skills, manpower, and resources needed to do a professional job of it, and was aware that the section in question really was that bad.
69 likes@samuraiwarrior87 pretty sure the cave collapsed twice after having supports placed to save this dude in the first place so nah it would have caved in
18 likesAnd then he became the tourist attraction
15 likes@Seth Biv I'm not even surprised Miller stayed an absolute Chad.
17 likesThey could've fortified the entrance like they did later in the rescue mission. But I doubt that with the technology at the time it would've been possible to maintain for very long. Plus, any heavy machinery that's operated close to the cave would have made the descent deadly. And I'm not sure how they would've gotten carbon monoxide out of a cave system back then.
6 likes@WaaDoku 【和ァ独】 it broke down twice even when it was fortified in the attempts to rescue Floyd. It would've fell apart with the resources they had available then.
7 likesTruth is... it was rigged from the start.
0 likesBruh why did you spoil it you monster.
0 likes@putent I think it's pretty evident if you don't want to know the outcome in advance that you don't look into the comments and first watch the full video. I did it that way because I knew just from the suspense of the video that people are going to discuss what happens at the end. Of course people are gonna want to discuss the story.
18 likes@putent Oh, sorry, spoilers for something that literally happened a century ago.
15 likes@StrikeWarlock They worked very quickly under immense pressure and with extreme time constraints. I think they could've made it work in a few months' time under normal circumstances and with the necessary funding.
1 like@WaaDoku 【和ァ独】 no. The fact that Floyd spent 8 months just to widen that cave further means that months wouldn't be enough based on the resources he had. Years would be more accurate.
0 likesIm pretty convinced this cave is cursed with a treasure or something, the cave was demanding only the diamond in the rough XD
1 likethats life, thats what all the people say
0 likesOn a bittersweet side, at least he had become a tourist spot for Sand Cave
0 likes@First Last Floyd actually trained under a geologist who taught him about the layout of the land and the cave systems, and he was an incredibly experienced caver who knew lots about working with cave systems. Of course (obviously) Sand Cave was dangerous, but he knew that better than anybody even before he got stuck in there.
1 like@Kenan Phillip Right. And maybe that's the problem: "He knew better than anybody." The day this all started, he didn't take the cave seriously. He'd gotten so used to the cave that he was no longer being as cautious as he should be. I mean, he didn't bother checking to make sure his lamp was full of kerosene before entering. That's despite knowing he planned to spend several hours down there. He'd been down there so many times that he'd quit making sure that his most important equipment was ready for the expedition. He stopped treating it like an extremely dangerous task and started treating it as routine, and it cost him dearly. He got overconfident and complacent, and that's what ultimately led to this entire situation. It is when you stop treating something as dangerous as a cave like this with the respect it deserves, even unconsciously, that it kills you.
8 likesi was dozing off at the end of the video and heard the happy music, wasn't fully paying attention as i had decided it was a happy ending, and then "he was dead." fully woke me up and made me bust out laughing. after all of that shit. they finally decided to dig a hole after like 2 weeks. and he was dead.
0 likesHonestly the disrespect of digging up someone who died trapped in a cave and then putting their body BACK INTO A CAVE is unreal
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0 likesThere was a 1951 Hollywood movie based on this called Ace in the Hole, starring Kirk Douglas. Kirk Douglas was a pretty big star - worked a lot with Kubrick - and though he was 100% Hollywood, he did try and get some interesting projects made.
0 likesHe was also the original (original for me, as an old fart, anyway) Doc Holliday in Gunfight at the O.K. Corral!
first heard of it remotely by a conservative dude talking about the dangers of pursuing the esoteric in a youtube vid. The guy gives a lot of good philosophy in his vids.
0 likesIf anyone ever haunted anything, this man is for sure haunting the shit out of that cave.
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The ultimate irony that Floyd indeed never left the cave
78 likesI'd like to think that since he was finally laid to rest, every now and then he comes down from his peaceful afterlife and is able to explore all the caves he wants to by no-clipping as a ghost, getting to see the wonders in all it's glory illuminated by his radiating and brave soul. Maybe he even pokes fun at the very site where he passed, unable to be harmed anymore and having the freedom to finally navigate through passages he originally tried digging by hand. Above all else though I pray he found peace in his final moments. God bless his and other brave adventurers souls.
192 likes@BLB Entertainment bro playing minecraft in spectator mode now lol
71 likesIDK he died doing what he loved.
4 likes@just a random weeb basically 😄
2 likes@BLB Entertainment I love this thinking. His ultimate goal was to find out more about that cave's beautiful sight, in order to make money too of course. But what a dead man wants to do with money. He's gambled his life with the cave and the cave won. Best to let him no clip the cave.
40 likesIf his spirit has any say in the matter, I'm sure he's haunting anywhere BUT that cave.
14 likes@TheDeckinator I don't think getting trapped in a cave is what he loved.
9 likes@TheDeckinator Freezing in a puddle 😇
5 likes@BLB Entertainment Man I hope that's true. What a beautiful sentiment😢
3 likes@BLB Entertainment Beautiful. Godspeed to a hero.
2 likes@TheDeckinator he died trying to make a killing off of tourism, stated in the first 10 minutes. I think he'd love the money more than the "cramp wet cave" aspect, homie
0 likesThis is at the same time the best Internet Historian Video ever, and also the worst. What I mean, is that watching this for the first time was one of the most intense experiences I've ever had with any audiovisual medium. This made me sweat and gasp more than any movie I've ever seen. However, once you know the ending, it is very hard and heart wrenching to see, therefore lowering it's rewatchability, a staple of Internet Historian's videos.
1 likeI have five words for Floyd.
0 likesMay he rest in piece.
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*peace.
0 likes@n m lol
0 likesDude just straight up made a movie and uploaded it to YouTube
5 likes14:02 I love how the peaky blinders decided to show up as well 😂
0 likesMasterful storytelling. Was genuinely heartbroken when the verdict was announced. The way the public acted is exactly how I’d expect people today to react.
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We have never really changed.
23 likesYa, just like how Elon Musk accused the rescuer at the Thailand caves for the missing boys of being a pedo.
0 likesWatching this video while knowing what happens with this story is so painful.
5 likes@TicklingOscars Animation we haven’t have we? Like in the pandemic where a bunch of Facebook doctors said it was fake.
6 likes@TicklingOscars Animation you know what, we did. The Philippines cave rescue went so much better. It ended in a happy note. Despite being a big news, the families now know peace.
0 likesI wish something became of that chamber that Floyd was trying to get to in the first place
0 likesIt just dawned on me that on top of everything else this poor guy dealt with, he also had to have shit himself at least three or four times and pissed himself countless times. And after a pint of coffee and 9 sausage sandwiches, that had to be a real doozy of a deuce. Damn......☹️
0 likesThe fact that all the background characters are just random shots from the peaky blinders is so funny to me.
1 likeI'm trying to figure out was this video supposed to be funny or serious? Because I couldn't help but find myself laughing a lot, the way the story was narrated and the animation plus the unfortunate timing of rocks falling from the ceiling and striking people in the head or back 😂 had me gasping for air between laughs !!
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It's meant to be a humorous way of telling a serious story, this channel is meant to be funny
0 likesAfter Floyd dies, this goes from a story about the entire country trying to help a man to the most batshit insane post-mortem experience imaginable.
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we all shriik for yiik
6 likesIf there is hole, then there is goal. - average kentuky residents trying to profit.
31 likesSpoilers man :(
13 likes@Fiddler OnTheNet Why are you in the comments if you didnt watch the entire video? The fault is on you.
15 likesNice spoilers dipshit
0 likesThe duality of man
3 likesI didn’t know you and wendingoon are bois?!? You got my like and subscribe. Good content good people!
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0 likesNetflix needs to get this man contract!
0 likesI'd like to see this as an actual movie lol
0 likesLight bulbs back then lasted way, way longer than they do today. Once they were strung up, there was no need to worry like we do today about bulbs intentionally made to blow up to make you buy another and then leave a tiny carbon footprint as you do.
1 like05:06 absolutely terrifying representation of just how deep Floyd was. Throughout the video I kept thinking back to this whenever a rescuer went inside to help him.
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Right!!? It really put into perspective how bad everything was
95 likesYeah it's completely nuts. And these people make several trips to that point
93 likesyes
4 likesi love deep floyd my dad used to play them all the time
11 likesAbsolutely terrifying, indeed.
29 likesI took a break from watching this after seeing that part. Just finished watching it.
Aside from the great storytelling in general, the visualization of the squeeze just put me emotionally on edge while watching that whole thing.
Îs this accurate? 0o
3 likes@Wardo Good question, actually.
9 likesSince this video also included bits of the real area, and considering its fame, I just assumed the cave's interior had probably been made available digitally, after having been captured by drones or something.
Well then definitely don't do what I did and watch it at 0.25x speed (with volume on for extra horrifying music)
0 likes@LinkEX Having visited a couple of caves, there is zero chance that even a skilled drone pilot could fly one through a cave. If the drone disappeared behind even a few feet of rock, the signal would cut out instantly.
8 likesFrom the sounds of the rescue efforts, the cave had already been mapped out very well (probably by Floyd himself, unless someone else had made a map during the rescue chaos), since they knew exactly where to dig down to reach him.
I can safely say that I think my heart or stomach dropped when I saw that representation. No way in heaven OR hell would I go down there.
1 likeAll this while being trapped in the pitch dark. You don't know if anyone will come or know where you're at.
1 like@Sara Pineda Ah, I wasn't talking about the flying kind. I agree, this literal crawlspace is absolutely unsuitable for quadrocopters.
1 likeI was thinking more generally about "remote-controlled robots with cameras", using other means of movement.
Floyd, while presumably leaving us with a decent physical map, obviously didn't provide any digital files to work with, haha.
The damn Entrance alone was like another 15 feet of tunnel 😟
0 likesImagine going thru that hole and eating the sub you used to measure the hole on the other side and not fitting thru the hole anymore :D
0 likesLoved seeing all the cameo’s
0 likesEspecially Rusty
the sad thing is, what actually killed him wasn't the cave, it was all the gawkers. Yeah, of course lightning a bunch of fires is gonna make ice melt, and if it hadn't, they would have gotten him out.
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tbh he shouldn't dig there either, there's no way people would squeeze in that cave
0 likesmuch of a legend he was
0 likesThe part where it zooms through the cave showing how deep he’s stuck in the cave scared the shit out of me
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5:10 I had to play it at .25 speed several times. Why anyone would go down through that is crazy to me. It’s terrible way before the turnaround room
59 likesYeah, like, involuntary recoiling levels of NOPE
15 likesliteral horror movie
6 likesWatching his way there all the way until he got stuck actually gave me anxiety. I'm not claustrophobic and I've never had a panic attack, but at some point yesterday I thought about quitting the video. There just is something about this predicament and/or death that is inhumanely horrifying.
9 likesI've once read about a man who did the same as Floyd but ended up in a shaft with a downward inclination head-first ...
@Mens Hominis : I'm only 4 minutes in and I'm sweating bullets.
2 likesWhich makes the thought process of "I'm gonna turn this place into a tourism hotspot, with an entrance that would absolutely trap anyone with waist over 20 inches" more mind boggling. Like even if he was successful, I'd imagine the only tourist that shows up would be exclusively limited to experienced veteran cave experts, and that's IF anyone showed up.
3 likesGerald the absolute chad: "Let's see what we got here"
0 likes*Proceeds to move half a ton of rock*
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0 likesThis is how people who fall into crevasses die. And it happens fairly frequently in the world of mountaineering, where people have to cross crevasse covered glaciers.
0 likesMany people have died, upside down, deep in the dark, cold, crevasse.
Their pack is no help, as it helps to keep them trapped.
Horrifying.
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Yum, last taste of whiskey
0 likesWendigoon content quality pales in comparison to all other channels of a similar size. He's just a bored, monotone, droning, half asleep dude talking from a tiny room
0 likesWhen They said Floyd was dead it was so sad and unexpected
0 likesWe all know Gerald was the unsung hero of this story. He tried his absolute hardest.
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Miller, Homer, Gerald, and those volunteers were all the heroes; not one of them didn't give it their all. Miller gave the resources, gave the effort, while the rest made up the difference with the same pure effort.
293 likesEveryone who was able to get though the turnaround room are all heroes, including the engineer guy. They were the only ones brave enough to actually try and help him.
173 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likesyeah him and the journalist got real close to saving Floyd. it's unfortunate that all the media attention ultimately doomed him.
98 likesGerald was absolutely the chaddest of the bunch. But they are all heroes.
35 likesWell Miller's efforts kind of backfired, the media attention and the gawkers was what ultimately led to the cave-in that sealed Collin's fate.
2 likes@pr0chszy I'd disagree, as people were already gathering outside and causing problems before Miller actually released his story. Miller's attention is what attracted the military and, if only they had been a bit quicker, they might have managed to save him. It's a damn shame no matter how you slice it.
32 likesI thought he was saved when the called a witcher.
1 likeThe scenes of which Gerald found the entrance has been blocked by rockfalls totally heart-tearing...and makes the Sand Cave personification more chilling
4 likesYou forgot to mention, there was a f*cking MUSICAL. My college theatre did it, that's how I first heard Floyd's story. Singing and dancing about a man dying in a cave. Wild. Wonder what Floyd would have thought of a musical being made about him?
0 likesI tried watching this again. My fears said no thanks at the turn around room.
0 likesInteresting story, was hoping for a happy ending.
0 likesSad. They were so close to saving him.
1 likeThis is actually such a beautiful story about how far humans are willing to save humans - even for just one.
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I seen a frightening story how kapitalism and the fierce competition it creates forced a man to crawl through hell for months until he got stuck and died and people only showed up to help once it was too late and nobody thinks the system should maybe change.
0 likesIt also shows how fucking stupid the average person can be, like when they made that whole thing a huge tourist attraction to profit from it and started spreading rumors.
0 likesIt is; however, I can’t help but be really frustrated by the gawkers who made things worse. I’m pissed beyond what I should be. fuck, man, I hate them.
124 likesAnd Floyd's piece of shit father.
0 likes@The Cum Guzzler if they hadn't lit campfire and gathered around and started so much drama and bs he would have survived 100%
0 likes@The Cum Guzzler There will always be fools, but don’t let them overshadow what the others we’re doing to genuinely help
0 likes@The Cum Guzzler Yeah, Cum Guzzler. I hate them too.
0 likesI recommend watching the doc about the Chilean miners, if you werent tuned in while it was happening.
9 likesIt's also a story about how stupid and useless most people are. Watch it again and this time pay attention to all the people who were there. They new the situation and did nothing. Not only did they do nothing. Most of the time they were actively hindering the rescue whether they knew it or not.
15 likes@The Cum Guzzler I mean, they didn't know. Most didn't. These days the authorities would be on this in a flash and would keep people away
0 likesJust one literally brought hundreds of people together
0 likesWe will bring mark whatney home!
0 likesYou mean a few humans are willing to save one man, while others gawk like morons.
1 likeTruly a masterpiece. I would love to see a video in IH's style of the Galapagos Affair, I love these breakdowns of insane moments in history.
0 likesI'm watching this on Halloween because horror movies don't cut it for me anymore and damn is it super scary.
0 likesNow I'm no physicist but I wonder if the weight of all those people on the ground above could've contributed to the cave ins along with the melting snow.
0 likesDude, you really know how to deliver an add. I actually watched it facepalm
0 likesStill in absolute amazement of Miller, dude goes there to cover the story but ends up putting his life on the line to help. Incredible.
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And all he got for it was a Pulitzer Prize...
11 likes@Alorand He could’ve got 1 Million dollars but he refused. He didn’t do it to be rewarded so criticizing the lack of it is disrespectful to his deeds.
49 likesthis might be one of the few times a reporter wasn't a scumbag
0 likes@Alorand lol, and they gave pulitzer to that NYT guy that denied the holodomore too
0 likeslol yeah, compare him to today's "journalists".
9 likes@eyanscot Today's journalists wouldn't have helped on the grounds that it would compromise their objectivity. Also they would be too fat to fit through the squeeze.
2 likesHe was a good man.
2 likesThat was great, now I wanna see the Sam O’Nella version
0 likesAmazing story! Unrelated, but I was wondering (with acknowledgment that it is currently an ongoing issue) when the history of the fall of Twitter is gonna be created.
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0 likesFor the first half of the video I was so sure he would survive that I was thinking about whether or not he would be crazy enough to go back and keep expanding the cave afterwards. I was really hoping the crowd's stupidity would just be a cringey sidenote but alas.
1 likeHonestly, I won't ever understand people's need to just stand around and watch during emergencies. Either do something productive or go away 🤦♀️
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But let's by honest we would probably stick around back then, but I do agree with you.
0 likesAlso cool profile pic
0 likesMy GOD. If anyone ever asks why there are places haunted by ghosts, show them this story. Floyd must be pissed in the afterlife
0 likesThis was an incredibly well made video. I would have paid to see this and I shall (the video not Floyd after the fact). You have given me years of entertainment. So thank you. Also RIP Floyd.
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You paid for this
2 likes@Monolith _G A good deal IMo
4 likes@Monolith _G Indeed
0 likesthis is literally the most miserable way to die. it just can’t get worse than this.
3 likes!!!!Spoilers!!!!
1 likeWhat a messed up story
R.I.P. William
as a kentuckian thank you so much for not pronouncing louisville like “loo is ville”☠️
0 likes20:56 POV: You're playing Fallout and fall right into a quest you didn't want at all.
0 likesThis man was treated so poorly after his death its incredible
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Floyd’s body was actually thrown around.
119 likesGood thing the gay furries didn’t get ahold of his body
46 likes@FlipFlopGod more like the necrophiles
4 likesYou can correct that "was" to "is". Case in point this video that literally disrespects him more, not only by getting key details completely wrong, but also plays up his death as a joke anyways and makes him out to be a fool.
12 likesEDIT: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context, as to do tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
EDIT 2: Regardless, Here are just SOME of the many things he got horribly wrong. All listed here are oversimplified and will be expanded on in the video. Sourced by Brucker/Murray in their book Trapped; two people who spent half a decade on Floyd Collins' story to figure this out long before the Internet even.
1. Sand Cave is an entirely different, smaller, and far away cave from Floyd's main cave, Crystal Cave, discovered in 1917 (also said as "Great Crystal Cave" and "Floyd Collins Crystal Cave" post death. 1:04:20 has a sign for it which IH doesn't address at all and instead implies that this was a renaming of Sand Cave. This cave system was massive, and beautiful. But it had little success apart from archeologically, due to the "Cave Wars". It was his life and joy, which unfortunately he had to put on the market to sell in 1924. Floyd's whole reason to find Sand Cave, which wasn't on his property at all but on the property of Bee Doyle who he had a 50/50 proft partnership with to dig out Sand Cave, hopefully to find a closer entrance to Mammoth Cave itself to work with. (he had a theory that all the caves connected).
2. IH's description of Floyd's origin not only doesn't mention any of this deliberately states that this was All Sand Cave, but doesn't get even the topography of Sand Cave correct. The Chute, Turnaround Room, Squeeze, etc are out of order. Floyd wasn't trapped flat on the ground like an L actually at a 45 degree angle. His rescue attempts are vastly over simplified as "everyone lost their nerve and abandoned the food & supplies", when dozens legitimately tried and actually helped, just not able to reach Floyd. Including Marshall Collins who did a lot in this, but isn't even mentioned at all.
3. Homer wasn't in Louisville when he heard about Floyd, but at a Gas Station roughly 30 minutes away from Sand Cave, and it didn't take 10 hours for him to get there at all but 30 min. idk where tf he got that idea from, likely made it up, same for the following: Skeets MIller had no knowledge of Floyd himself when he was sent from Louisville to Sand Cave, only that there was conflicting reports, and he was originally to be sent with a rescue team.
Again, this is oversimplified, but still said correctly. Even with this, it's many paragraphs in lengh as you can see, which is why I'm making this into a video format. I cant just say "no it's actually this" in one sentence without leaving out why it's important.
@C Porter Could you please elaborate?
81 likes@C Porter blud who invited you. Before this video I didn’t even know the guy existed. It’s just really good story telling.
66 likes@FlipFlopGod It isn't fucking good storytelling though. The storytelling is told by essentially making up a new story. Imagine if someone told a video about the Titanic but had it sink in 1 piece and wasn't by an iceberg but a Torpedo. That's what he's doing here, but because Floyd Collins isn't as known as the RMS Titanic, it really feels he thinks he can get away with it, or he really is just does a lazy as fuck job researching.
14 likes@a child check my other comments across this video and other Floyd Collins videos. Right now I'm working on making my own response video to this mess here.
6 likes@C Porter it’s just a video bro. Stop crying waaaaaaa, waaaaaaaa
54 likes@C Porter okay thanks
18 likes@C Porter ain’t nobody going watch it.
30 likes@C Porter you are mad for no reason. I hope they remember you, because after you pass away. Nobody will.
18 likes@FlipFlopGod You and those who say "If you don't like it, don't watch it" and "who cares?!" have always shown the most weakest arguments ever. Think of an actual response that doesn't have lol, lmao, smh, or waa waa in it. Or is that too much work for you?
59 likes@FlipFlopGod yeah I don't think those things have anything to do with each other
3 likes@FlipFlopGod you went way to far man just like this guy you're responding to. Makes sense considering your previous comment
22 likes@Darkmatter Is there a difference?
0 likes@Mihail Milev hush child.
2 likesWhat I kind of find fucked up is how close they were to Collins original goal of the beautiful cave formations he was digging to when the rescuers were digging the big ass hole as their final resort. Might have been something cool to find it and open it up, maybe entomb him there or keep it open some how. Maybe not what do I know.
4 likes@C Porter I think this was an amazing experience of a video regardless if it was true, but if it's really that inaccurate then I understand your frustration. And the truth should be known alongside. However still we wouldn't have this masterpiece which has affected me and I'm sure at least some others, if he didn't tell the way it did. Still I agree with you that the accurate version and truth should be known as well. Profoundness and truth should both be known and not confused with each other. That's fundamentally where almost all the problems from people in the world come from I think. But anyways I'm curious to see actually how inaccurate it was and what difference if any that it makes. So I'll be waiting for that video. On your channel that ur commenting with right? Congratulations u gave me the final push to write this more longer thought out comment by saying that people had no good arguments. Which makes no sense literally in this context cuz no one's arguing anything but regardless I hope u get the idea, u kinda inspired me to write this so yeah thanks ig. And get going with that video, I hope I see it bcuz I rarely see my notifs cuz I have too many and I might forget by the time I get to it. So yeah. Cheers. Even tho u were kinda pretty rude in these comments. And I'm not from uk. But anyways have a good one and try to be more open minded lol but that doesn't mean losing your skepticism ofcourse, if u can actually tell it apart from denial and contrarianism
22 likes@FlipFlopGod from what I've seen gay furries specifically seem to be some of the nicest people or groups of people on this planet
6 likes@Mihail Milev I'm glad you realize that. Yes, it will be on this channel. Check your youtube account settings for the notifications problem, I had that months back for comments myself, but going through them fixed it. You are right, I am rude in these comments, but I'm at my wits end with these people who are like "who cares?!" and "it's JuST a vIDeO" and other idiocy like that. We as historians have a responsibility to tell things correctly, not however we want.
11 likesIf no one wanted the truth about these things, then there wouldn't be Titanic documentaries, and only the 1997 fictional James Cameron movie which was a huge box office success and impacted many people, believing everything as fact. I would be much more fine with this video if he would have put a disclaimer in the beginning addressing how it's not entirely accurate, but he chose not to.
@C Porter what details did the video got wrong ?
39 likesOutside of the rescuers, he was treated so poorly while he was still alive.
4 likes@Testa cals he's too busy plugging his handcam channel featuring mistakes he couldn't even be assed to edit out in post
5 likes@C Porter are you related to floyd or something? like why are you so mad LMFAO
18 likes@C Porter Everyone this guy is just baiting for comments, ignore this moron and just enjoy the video instead of feeding him the drama he wants, His only objective here is to rattle people up.
0 likes@C Porter I agree that IF there are blatant errors or misrepresentations that is important to address. I'm not sure why this has generated quite so much toxicity because that seems like a given for what is effectively a documentary. I don't know if that is really a fair statement as this isn't really claiming to be one, though. The jokes and comedic value are artistic liberty in storytelling, certainly, but you are right that they are making fun of or at the very least light of the situation. While I personally enjoyed it, it doesn't change that. The quips aside, the events recounted should be true representations of what happened. I, at least, would enjoy somebody dissecting this video. It is interesting to see anther's take on historic events although truth be told most of the ones I'm familiar with are of much older history where proof is more debatable or open to interpretation.
12 likes@Zack Voltran2 I'm making a response video that will do just that, as we speak. I've seen IH's videos for years, but this one has made me severely question the authenticity of what he puts out. Hopefully you all will see it too. Check down the comment line, and that of other replies here, and you'll see more on this.
10 likes@lime light so you're saying I have to be related to Floyd Collins to care about false information spread and disrespect shown? Do you have to be related to JFK to call someone out on their conspiracy theories that he was killed by the Dallas Mafia?
0 likes@FlipFlopGod uh?
1 like@C Porter "this video makes me question the authenticity of what he puts out"? Just to clarify, you do realise he's not an actual historian, right? Like, he's not doing this for history or being true to the facts.
18 likesHe's a YouTube entertainer, nothing more, nothing less. He makes videos to entertain people, not to teach them or give them any authentic insights.
If someone wants to learn about this event or person, they will go read about him through literature or online, they will not watch comedic videos such as this, obviously
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Yeah no shit he aint a historian, but people still beleive what he's saying though just because it's a huge production, as you clearly do. Stop pretending like that he gets a free pass on anything just because he's another content creator.
13 likes@C Porter A reply like this makes me consider that you could just be a troll, but on the off chance you are serious; nobody, not one single person that has ever watched or will watch his videos takes anything he says as a fact. Every single person has and always will see these videos purely as comedic stories.
35 likesWell, every person, bar you of course, who for some ungodly reason seems to believe he's actually doing this with serious intent
@C Porter You know "historical records" often have conflicting accounts and information to begin with, right?
27 likes@a child ill be looking forward to your response. Is it ging up in this channel you are commenting with?
0 likes@C Porter I'll gladly watch your documentary in full, if you can point out just two specific details that he got wrong, and explain what the truth is, in a comment replying to this one. Because right now you've just been screaming "He GoT iT WrOnG!" while providing no ulterior narratives to believe or disbelieve over his.
32 likes@Erin Slabaugh Source: Trust me bro
11 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch Setting aside how you couldn't possibly speak for 3.5 Million people (and counting) whose viewed this, deeply consider this question for a moment, and actually think about it before you respond:
4 likesWhy would he make his videos, especially one over an hour long with full visuals, newspaper clippings, quotes, and more if he didn't want them to seem believable and as fact?
Calling me a troll at this point tells me that you're just grasping at straws, just like those who say "who cares?" or "if you don't like it, don't watch it", or other non-arguments like these that are pure cancer since you can say that about literally anything.
@C Porter I'll entertain you since I'm just passing time atm. He makes videos so people can enjoy them and have a chuckle over his jokes and stories, such as his Rainfurrest video, to name just one example. Also he does have subscribers that will naturally want to see continuous content.
15 likesAlso, just to note, I can't speak for anybody in this world, obviously; and neither can you
@C Porter Yeah ok! Granted that this was probably largely meant to seem as educational as it was entertaining, and therefore, it would be irresponsible for IH to take creative liberties with the story.
15 likes... But what, specifically, was false about the video though
@Odin whoknowstoomuch Internet Historian writes his material as comedic recounts of historical events. So yes. I have mostly believed him (where it wasn't a blatant joke)
10 likesTo say that no one takes what he says as fact is intellectually dishonest. Again he presents these videos as historical documentation told in a comedic fashion. He does NOT present these videos as intentionally incorrectly re-tellings for humor. Nor does he provide disclaimers.
If this was fiction top to bottom you might have a leg to stand on.
@Odin whoknowstoomuch You know, I have no idea what the wrongs are in this video but your point of view is flawed.
13 likesThis video is an hour and ten minutes long. He gets serious and comedic at times, but it is an attempt to explain history non the less.
Many people who don't know anything about this occasion being told in the video, including me, will take these videos as facts. It doesn't matter that they're comedic, because the purpose of these is still informing people of an event that happened.
The immediate response to "nobody takes these seriously and as a fact" would be "The Cost of Concordia" video. It has moments of telling an actual fact without an ounce of comedy in it, because it is, at last, a tragedy. Many people only heard about it through that video, and thus, took it as a fact after watching the video because many people, which btw, I think you missed this part, don't have the patience or interest in making their own research after a light hearted but 40 minute retelling of a piece of history. So, many people do in fact, take it as a fact.
@Rorax Well, according to C Porter, his historic recounts are entirely wrong.
2 likesYou can certainly watch his videos and hear the story how he sets it out, but if you want to seriously study the event or person, it's best to just look elsewhere.
Like I said, his videos aren't meant to be a factual documentary and a study into the events and persons, it's just entertainment. Yes he still looks up how everything happened but you can't watch his videos and think "Well this guy is clearly 100% correct in everything he says and therefore I see no reason to use any other means of research than watching his videos"
@Buzlu Kofti facts are just something someone tells you is true based on what they studied. Yes he looks up all these events himself and goes into detail for his videos, but you can't look at it and believe "This is 100% true" until you just look elsewhere and realise that, actually there's a few different sides to the story and he's not always right, hence why sometimes he updates his information in new posts.
2 likesLet me put it like this, you watch the Concordia video, you believe what he says, you want to look up more about it, you realise that in some areas he was wrong with his information. Basically you don't stop at his videos and only ever believe them, because sometimes he could miss something or mess up somewhere, you do some information yourself and come to your own conclusions
@C Porter Please do as Erin asked, and give us just a couple examples of these inaccuracies
14 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch See but you're ALSO just taking ANOTHER dude at his word instead of doing your own research, lol
3 likes@Erin Slabaugh It's the cruel reality haha. Nothing anybody says can be taken at heart, information will always be questionable and uncertain unless we see it with our own eyes
3 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch Which, majority of the people who watch these videos don't do since, y'know, lack of interest.
1 likeDoesn't change the fact that many people believe whatever is shown and told to be the absolute truth in the video. Internet Historian takes up months of his time researching, so it isn't an unorthodox thing to think that he could find these facts to actually be wrong while he is collecting evidence. If it's so easy to debunk some dubious facts he's shown in the video, for example, finding a few more videos that clash with this one (which is what you said could be done to understand if this video is factual or not), then it's not the weirdest thing to think that he could find the actual truth and handle it better while preparing an hour-long video.
@C Porter People are going to throw a fit either way if you remain in discussion in these comments. At this point, I recommend taking your time to write your response video and turning off notifications until then. I intend to watch your response video when it releases.
4 likes@Buzlu Kofti you'll have to execuse me if my reply sounds weird and off subject, I'm getting a little lost with all these comments haha. Anyway, you're precisely right, to the interested like C Porter, this may come out as completely wrong and perhaps possibly insulting but their study and interpretation of the story may also be wrong, until we know exactly what happened, as if we were there, nothing anyone says can be taken as the hard truth, no matter how much effort they put into it
0 likes@Eccomi i was just confused on what they meant by the misinformation in the video and wanted them to elaborate on that. Otherwise i dont really care for whatever is going on here
2 likes@C Porter Damn bruv was this guy your dad? Calm the fuck down
0 likesSPOILERS MAAAN I WAS HALF WAY THROUGH THE VIDEO AND GENUENLY HOPING HE MADE IT OUT T.T
2 likes@C Porter You can not expect people to read your other comments or watch a hypothetical future video of yours to prove a point, lmao. That's a bit much to ask of others while providing no argument for your claims in these comments. If you have something to say, do it here, nobody's got time to look in other places.
13 likes@C Porter Well what did he get wrong and what's your authority on the topic
3 likesIt’s
0 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch Jesus you are absolutely dense and argue like a schizo. You lean on such broad and trash points in your argument. C Porter is highly more believable than you and in fact how would you get trolling from his comment when you don't even know what trolling is. Ffs mate the shi you said is so incompetent it would be easy to think you're trolling.
0 likesYou don't even know what a fact is
@C Porter why don't you give an example of something incorrect about this version of the story, instead of getting pissed off about it and getting upset when other people don't believe you... one good example of something that is incorrect about this story as it is told here. There are obviously people here who want to know if the video is inaccurate.
11 likes@FlipFlopGod no it's not, it's a man's life.
1 like@C Porter Bet you are
0 likes@C Porter JUST SAY what mistakes he made instead of pussy footing around
0 likes@C Porter 🤓
0 likes@C Porter ok so im just supposed to assume you're an expert and this is wrong, just because?
1 like@C Porter Sounds like you need a excavation crew to extract the stick out of your personal cave.
3 likes@C Porter I don't think anyone comes here for actual history and I'm sure that no one here cares about Floyd on a personal level enough to get offended about it. imo u seem like the guy who spends 90% of their free time on twitter looking for something to pretend to care about and get mad over when it means absolutely nothing to any person who is grounded in reality. Just my take
0 likes@C Porter Bro you could literally just make bullet point examples of what inaccuracies you're talking about. Instead you're trying to plug your own channel and video. Not a good look. And if you needed to repeat them over the course of this entire comment section you could copy and past said points. Are you so much of a historian that you forgot what modern tech is capable of?
7 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch "I obviously can't speak for everybody". He says, after speaking for "every person who has watched this video". Which is in the millions now. lmao
1 like@C Porter Could you please give examples of the inaccuracies?
0 likesThat would solve quite a bit of back and forth.
What happened after he died is even more outrageous than him getting stuck in the cave. People are fucked.
0 likesCrazy how Floyd's dream of making the cave an attraction came true, just not his dead body being the attraction.
@C Porter i am hoping this is an "This performance of Rush E is kinda mediocre" and you come up with a fantastic documentary that blows this one out of the water. i recommend you stop answering his fans and just work on your response, i am anxiously waiting for it. arguing with fans is fruitless and will only hinder your own credibility and waste your time and patience.
1 likenothing is sacred to mutts of america
1 like@C Porter "The IH is wrong, he's a horrible liar, no I won't tell you what he got wrong, look for my comments in other videos or wait till I finish my own video" Yeah okay buddy.
8 likes@FlipFlopGod Now you just sound like a rick and morty fan. I don't agree with C Porter but your responses are so cringe that I almost recoiled
2 likes@Gregory L. LeVitre who’s gone. Lmao. Literally never coming back
0 likes@C Porter Why not just copy and paste your comments on here? Would make it easier than going through more than 24,000 comments.
0 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch You're absolutely correct. Just to let you know, the statement "Every single person has and always will see these videos as purely comedic stories" is just wrong, clean slate. Cheers!
1 like@C Porter go touch grass incel.
0 likes@C Porter As other comments have pointed out, you still haven't made even a single point towards the so called "inaccuracies" of the video. It's pointless and hypocritical to make fun of people for believing a content creator at face value when you expect them to do the same for your own content.
3 likesBut more importantly, your original statement, even if we skip over the "key details wrong" part, is self-serving, inaccurate, and contemptible. People are getting hung up on your yet-to-be-seen evidence, but the real messed-up thing here is your interpretation of this video as "disrespectful" and "playing up his death as a joke". History is and always has been a narrative shaped by both facts and perspectives. There's no such thing as a 100% accurate representation of history, even in the current age the timing and way things are filmed can lead to misinterpretations of the events that occur, much less before that all existed and all we can rely on is newspapers, personal accounts, and word of mouth. IH clearly used several sources in this video, he even lists them as he talks about the information derived.
How is this video in any way disrespectful? Yes, the events of the story are dramatized, and there is some comedy, but how is that inherently disrespectful? The reason why many people in the comments are balking at the actions of the humans during the series of events surrounding Floyd's death, is not because of the publicity of it, but rather the incentivized greed and disrespect to the man himself. If anything, the publicity and journalism of the event is the hero of the story, as it is directly responsible for allowing Floyd's body to be recovered at all, and for a reasonable rescue attempt to be made. It is the people who claimed that it was a hoax and fake that are really messed up, and ironically you happen to be quite similar to one of those people.
IH, while perhaps dramatizing the events of the story (and he clearly indicates the parts that he dramatizes so it's not even like he's being deceptive), paints an accurate and respectful picture of all the heroes involved in the story, and the somberness surrounding the event.
You, on the other hand, are the one being sensationalist and drying to rile people's emotions up without and basis of evidence or respecting IH or his viewers at all.
At this point, I doubt you are going to reply to this or any of the previous comments the only comments you are replying to are the one's who are making dumb points or slanders that are easy to rebut. There are plenty of reasonable people who have asked for evidence and admonished you for your dismissive and derogative tone towards all the obviously insane work that went into making this video, and you have basically ignored most of it.
Even if IH got a few facts wrong, even if you had the evidence to point out some misrepresentation in his narrative (which you don't, so far), your approach towards this matter is unacceptable and far more disrespectful to the situation than IH missing a few facts would be (which is still theoretical and if we're honest, pretty unlikely). I'd rather believe someone who clearly puts in the time and effort to make a video like this than someone who rudely complains without making any real effort to back up his claims.
@Mihail Milev they gotta recruit to keep their numbers up
1 like@Gregory Pan See this is what yours, and everybody elses problem is: you aren't even trying to listen! You automatically make me out to be just some hypocritical hater who dislikes the videos purely for the jokes made and got a tiny detail wrong else. This isn't the only comment section I'm responding to people in, or even the only video. But in this thread I've said multiple times now I'm working on a video as we speak that is going to list these inaccuracies, because there are too many to mention here. I even state it in a comment I make saying that I'm not going to be commenting much at all anymore because I'M the one whos actually taking the effort to show this as accurately as possible, unlike him, hell YOU even could look into Floyd Collins yourself from the singular source he lists and you will several of the things that I'm going to mention, but no you'd rather just vilify me in your own hypocrisy and just blindly beleive that I'm talking about a couple of tiny facts, when in reality these are everything down to Floyd's motives, the true reasons of his entrapment, Skeets Miller's true reasoning for being there, Floyd's ACTUAL death and disturbances which also falsely told here, and, above all else, Floyd's Legacy, which Internet Historian doesn't even try to say anything about.
0 likesI already listed one gigantic plothole and outright bastardization that IH completely ignored and lied about in previous comments, why don't you look at that one? You folks vehemently defend his work by talking about how long it takes to make a video such as this, as if that's an excuse that makes him innocent, yet can't even be bothered to have a full week's patience for me, the one making the response video that one of you---if you actually cared about Floyd or justice for him at all--should already be doing.
"The reason why many people in the comments are balking at the actions of the humans during the series of events surrounding Floyd's death, is not because of the publicity of it, but rather the incentivized greed and disrespect to the man himself." How can you actually unironically say this when he's doing the exact same thing? IH is giving just as much disrespect in his overdramatization and inexcusable falsehoods (on the best of days) if not pure lies in it for his gain, not ours. The shear irony of it too is, if he would have left everything intact, the story would be twice as impactful and harrowing, and he wouldn't even have to add 10 more minutes onto the OG runtime. Not to mention all the lack of true context makes Floyd out to be an idiot whether intentionally or unintentionally, based on how many replies try to actually justify all this inaccuracy because "he chose to climb into a cave".
"It is the people who claimed that it was a hoax and fake that are really messed up, and ironically you happen to be quite similar to one of those people." I have in no way, shape or form, misconstrued or lied about anything I've said, and the fact that you people keep saying I am shows ever so fucking clearly that you wont even look into it for yourself and just want to make me out to be the bad guy for calling out someone whos widely respected, and because i'm not immediately following up with a video hastily put together that could likely do more damage than not.
"But more importantly, your original statement, even if we skip over the "key details wrong" part, is self-serving, inaccurate, and contemptible." Yeah yet you cant actually back that up without trying to condemn me for realizing that Humor over History is shitty, and boiling down my whole argument to being a couple tiny pieces of info that you think don't affect anything. Again, an assumption you make without even hearing them. By the way, I'm not apposed to Humor and History together, but History always needs to take the forefront if you're going to do something designed to be educational such as this. The Dollop's (a comedy-history podcast) episode on Floyd of the same runtime does a WAY better job than IH does here, in just about the same run time.
Now if you're done with your self-righteous rant about how I'm the asshole for even trying in the first place and justifiably outraged at him, you can either leave the conversation, or wait for the video like everyone else will. I honestly don't give a fuck if it gets 6 views or 600 views. I don't do this shit for fame or fortune; someone needs to set the record straight, and it honestly appears that i'm the only one trying. Likely because most other people who care don't watch youtube that much or beleive it's hopeless against someone as big as Internet Historian.
@LoftOfTheUniverse who?
0 likes@usuduwj lol ur really lost
0 likes@Woad Blue yeah exactly that too. I forgot abt that, but in the very beginning I was like, why would you squeeze yourself in there at that point just dig it out from the top or drill/mine it out from the side of the turnaround room
0 likes@C Porter right that's fair enough
0 likes@C Porter ok well idk abt that point it's kinda debatable. If u are clear about your intentions and the purpose of your media then I think u could put out whatever you want (as long as it's safe and respectful of people's privacy, ect). As long as you're clear about what it's supposed to be. On the other hand there is basically what you're referring to when people pretend to be ironic or jokesters but knowing full well almost everyone watching is actually believing unironically. And it's not like on the audience side problem, but it's specifically cultivated to get that effect. But I'm more thinking of like political pundits and the like. I don't Inrernet Historian is doing that.
0 likes@C Porter because it's an entertaining and immersive story bro. People have written whole novels that are fictional
0 likes@Johnny Cash bro yeah don't go into comments on videos like this lol. Speaking from experience. And same bro
0 likes@Erin Slabaugh There will be plenty more than two. I haven't counted everything specifically, but I estimate theres at least 15 major things he got entirely wrong, but close to 30 still relevant points will be made.
1 like@Eccomi Yes, same channel.
1 like@Gregory Pan I agree mostly with everything you said except that sometimes, unfortunately, the people who mean the best and put in the most effort and love, can be the wrong ones. While the annoying lazy ones are right. Such is, in a way, the social political situation in America and broader internet rn for example.
0 likes@C Porter u know the way I know this is also because it's practically how many ideologies and religion in general works. Something is so emotionally moving and profound and gives you a sense of identity and purpose and strength in your life and seems to perfectly explain everything around you in a way that inspires you and helps you to become a better person, that they assume it must be right or can't bring themselves to think that it can still be absolutely completely wrong.
1 like@roger Fine, quickly yes. There will be expansion upon everything mentioned here in the video, and backed up by actual sources instead of next to nothing that IH lists. But I haven't done so this far because it's usually hopeless and as you can see in other comment sections people are just saying "who cares" regardless.
3 likes1. Floyd Collins got into the cave wars because, apart from being a massively respected, expert caver in the area whose accomplishments before 1925 are still being felt today in KY (along with his whole family being deeply involved in the caving industry) through his 1917 discovery of Crystal Cave ("Great Crystal Cave", "Floyd Collins Crystal Cave", other names) which is absolutely massive in scale, and exploration & operation became his pride and joy, which for various reasons he was basically forced to part from in 1924 to sell it.
2. Sand Cave, which was never named by him, was owned by farmer Bee Doyle on HIS farm property, not the Collins' family at all. Floyd and Bee had an agreement that any profits from a cave he found on there would be split 50/50 with him in late 1924-early '25. His reason for finding a new cave was to get a CLOSER entrance to Mammoth Cave itself so he could get ahead of the competition geographically.
3. The entire reason that "Skeets" Miller got to Floyd that IH tells is entirely false beyond all bounds, and reads as shittily as the yellow journalism about Skeets printed around Feb 17th would invent, or the fictional 1951 movie based on Floyd called "Ace In The Hole". The Courier-Journal had heard some buzz about Floyd, but this is Cave War territories, so was skeptical at the start, but once they realized all the bad press starting around it (not even 4 days in yet), they sent Miller to check it out, wanting to send a team to help out too, but was denied one. He had also caved once before, and also undressed appropriately for a cave.
4. IH makes it all about his death, yet fails to even do a correct job there. Saying that Dr. Harry Thomas bought Sand Cave, and put his body back in the cave but with a glass coffin. This was obviously in actuality Crystal Cave, and notice how IH puts a picture of advertising for Floyd Collins Crystal Cave in his video at 1:04:20 . That clause mentioned? Lee never told Homer about it. And Thomas framed it as "Floyd would have wanted to be burred in his beloved cave" as a sign of respect.
I haven't even talked about other things such as how the Yellow Journalism was a problem from the start and never ended, or how Floyd's contributions to caving as a whole BASICALLY lead to the creation Mammoth Cave National Park, and the nature of caving as a whole, the expiditions back to Sand Cave in the 70s, the nationally famous hit song about him, or all the other countless crucially significant things just didn't mention which underplay greatly how important he and his legacy is.
@Mihail Milev If you watch my video when it comes out, I'm sure you'll change your mind on that.
0 likes@Mihail Milev And in those novels and movies, they have tell you their fictional, legally in many cases too. IH does not say this anywhere, and presents everything as cold hard fact, when it clearly isn't to anyone who looks into this stuff at all.
1 like@C Porter right. Well, I don't think he presents this as neccesarily accurate, but definitely doesn't explicitly state it as inaccurate either. Though uk ut would ruin part of the immersion. Maybe after the intro or something. But the ethics of temporary deception as an art/experience technique is a very interesting conversation I think to be had indeed
0 likes@C Porter change my mind about what?
0 likes@C Porter I'm intrested to see it tho tbh I might suggest u not be as rude and personally aggressive towards IH himself, because although it might get u attention at the start it might ruin it in the long run. If u go with the more nice but still outstanding route u might actually have people want to listen and if u happen to have high production quality, maybe even a response from IH. If u are civil enough and not being to rude and calling people names and excessively speculating about their intentions, ect....
0 likes@Mihail Milev in many cases yes it can be interesting, but we aren't talking about those cases. We are talking about entire deception which he does here. At no point anywhere does he try to make it known that something he says as fact isn't true. Not in the video, not in comments, not in the description either. Believe it or not, but if this was for some other more well-known tragedy or incident, or even topic that he fucks up this badly on, he would have been ripped to shreds by probably several other established uploaders in their community. But Floyd is a much more obscure subject, and in the four years that I've been looking, I've never found any community for him anywhere, just the odd person or two that you can rarely discuss with in comments about.
0 likes@C Porter bro. U have such a problem with Internet Historian and you listen to EmpLemon........ ?
0 likesBoi if u didn't know I've got some catastrophic news for you...........
@Mihail Milev honestly a lot of this that you're seeing right now is me venting more at other people who aren't even trying to understand and rather just want to view me as a hater, as well as because IH isn't even the first to do something like this, but in a long line of people disrespecting the man in the way they tell his story. IH , the person that I've grown to respect over the years for accuracy and storytelling (which I've now started to severely question after seeing this), is undoubtedly the most influential person to talk about it online to date, and has already caused the most damage.
0 likes@Maurice Steel Deal, my real weakness is trying to get to people who sometimes will never be convinced even with all the evidence and logic in the world.
0 likes@Down Above Or y'know you could like just look into it for yourself if you find yourself too impatient to wait a little bit for a video to come out? Try Roger Brucker & Robert Murray with their exhaustive research into the event which includes actual interviews with the people who were there and even their own expeditions into Sand Cave again, which is free for anyone of you to look at on Internet Archive. Oh wait! You could also look into the ONLY source that IH mentions; Alan E. Hunter's 3 part column in the Weekly View of Indianapolis, Indiana which also directly conflicts with IH's narrative? No? too afraid to look into it for yourself without someone spoon-feeding you every bite? Then no one can help you Buddy.
0 likes@C Porter I did not get a vibe of him genuinely insulting Floyd during this video if I'm honest, he seems empathetic and while yes, their is some off-beat humor, the tragedy of things still is important to the video.
2 likes@C Porter Ohhh my god how could you possibly miss my point this hard.
0 likesI was asking you to reply HERE, IN THIS COMMENT CHAIN about two errors. Not in the video. HERE.
Because the fact that you haven't pointed out anything specifically and have rather just announced that he's wrong doesn't inspire confidence that your documentary will be any good.
@Erin SlabaughI'm doing this same stuff in several other top comments in threads just like this, I'll copy and past it here, but seriously if you just looked for yourself, you'd of found it by now, like others have. I don't have every waking moment to fucking talk to everyone about this, rather spending that time making my video instead. But what use will it do though, because nearly everyone automatically brushes these absolutely major things wrong as somehow unimportant because of their own lack of understanding of how history works, and I'm sure you will too. Stand by.
0 likes@C Porter But I haven't found you talking about specifics anywhere else either! I'm not saying I refuse to accept that he's probably screwed some things up! I think it's more than likely!
3 likesI just think it's incredibly irritating that you want to look down your nose at everyone for automatically taking a youtuber at his word and not backing up his claims, and then turn around and judge us for not automatically taking you at your word while you refuse to back up your claims.
I'm not asking for essay here dude, I'm asking for literally just one bullet point. You can copy-paste it from another of those comments you've supposedly made, I won't mind.
... But right now you've spent more time in the comments bitching that you don't have time to explain everything, than you have spent even attempting to explain anything.
@Mihail Milev So many comments of yours at once, because the way youtube decides to display and probably does the same on your POV for mine. But I mean changing your mind about Intenet Historian not wanting to misrepresent what's stated.
0 likes@Erin Slabaugh Alright, fair enough on that last one. Also for the other comments, even I can't find it now. But others have. Yeah call me an asshole on that one then. I'm just at my wits end with all this stuff, especially with all the "who cares" and "it's one small thing, stop crying about it" and related comments in mass that's caused me to be in such an uproar, since I have to deal with that cancer all the damned time, and I'm used to being with groups that entirely reject what I'm saying even when I do show my damning proof. Some point later I will edit these points into one of my first comments in this thread, at the top.
1 likeEverything listed here will be vastly expanded upon in more detail in my video response, and has the least detail accurately possible here. But everything here is backed by official sources by authors Roger Brucker & Robert Murray who did exhaustive studies and expeditions in the 70s, and as well as more contemporary sources.
1. Sand Cave is an entirely different, smaller, and far away cave from Floyd's main cave, Crystal Cave, discovered in 1917 (also said as "Great Crystal Cave" and "Floyd Collins Crystal Cave" post death. 1:04:20 has a sign for it which IH doesn't address at all and instead implies that this was a renaming of Sand Cave. This cave system was massive, and beautiful. But it had little success apart from archeologically, due to the "Cave Wars". It was his life and joy, which unfortunately he had to put on the market to sell in 1924. Floyd's whole reason to find Sand Cave, which wasn't on his property at all but on the property of Bee Doyle who he had a 50/50 proft partnership with to dig out Sand Cave, hopefully to find a closer entrance to Mammoth Cave itself to work with. (he had a theory that all the caves connected).
2. IH's description of Floyd's origin not only doesn't mention any of this deliberately states that this was All Sand Cave, but doesn't get even the topography of Sand Cave correct. The Chute, Turnaround Room, Squeeze, etc are very out of order. Floyd wasn't trapped flat on the ground like an L actually at a 45 degree angle. His rescue attempts are vastly over simplified as "everyone lost their nerve and abandoned the food & supplies", when dozens legitimately tried and actually helped, just not able to reach Floyd. Including Marshall Collins who did a lot in this, but isn't even mentioned at all.
3. Homer wasn't in Louisville when he heard about Floyd, but at a Gas Station roughly 30 minutes away from Sand Cave, and it didn't take 10 hours for him to get there at all but 30 min. idk where tf he got that idea from, likely made it up, same for the following: Skeets MIller had no knowledge of Floyd himself when he was sent from Louisville to Sand Cave, only that there was conflicting reports, and he was originally to be sent with a rescue team.
4. Floyd was NEVER reburied in Sand Cave, the glass coffin was in Crystal Cave, which again, IH completely ignores it's existence and pretends like Sand Cave is the only one. Not to mention how he excludes any of Floyd's legacy and actual achievements that were proven after the fact in the 40s - Present, such as basically being the reason that Mammoth Cave National Park exists today, and in the complete state it's in among tons of others.
If I don't explain it like this, then many will--as they have already done--acted like none of this actually matters and I'm just bitching about nothing but tiny things.
@C Porter i subbed. looking forward to the points you make
0 likes@C Porter Thanks for the reply! To me, it still seems like IH has done a good bit of research―especially in the way he lays out the timeline of events. Before this I'd only known the story from the off-Broadway musical (which probably takes even more artistic liberty than IH did in this video). Have you seen, or read/listened to that one? I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts.
0 likesRegardless, you're right that Floyd's story is often used for entertainment purposes in our lifetime. Perhaps the further a tragedy slips into history, the less we feel its emotional weight.
I can tell you're passionate about this subject, and have done more research (for a significantly longer time) than IH did. I will subscribe to your channel because I'm interested to see what else you have to say. I do hope you'll take a less combative stance in your response... A lot of people―myself included―were clearly intrigued by this video and want to learn more, particularly in a more realistic/informative context. If you want to spread awareness of Floyd's true story, this might be the best opportunity you've got... It'd be a shame to alienate Internet Historian (and his many many fans) just because you take issue with the style of his work.
@C Porter P.S. Love your selection of classic records!
0 likes@roger Honestly The musical from what I've seen is the most accurate fictional retelling of events to date just from the soundtrack, though the bits and scraps of modern productions I've seen left more to be desired sometimes. I'm not sure if I'd go see the musical if it were being shown in my area because of this. They did a superb job not just with how they get the atmosphere right for each scene, and went above and beyond with character creation, putting in the little details such as Nellie Collins's struggles with mental illness and having to be at an Asylum for months prior, getting correct how Skeets had one of the finest voices of everyone else there (he wanted to go into operatics later in life), the discovery of Crystal Cave, how Homer kept Floyd's spirit up/past the time with him in Sand Cave with riddles while they worked, and the list goes on. Some of the lines are kind of cringe like "Scoop the poop" said by the news reporters in Is That Remarkable? or "Aint not Sunday school Mama's Boy" by Floyd in How Glory Goes, but they still did a remarkable job keeping the characters in character with the actual people they portrayed. Not making out Miller to be some monopolistic capitalist reporter like IH does for instance.
0 likesI havent seen the apparent sole documentary by Crisp and Hall and I'd like to someday, but it's run time is about an hour's length, and the clips I've seen do a good job with the reeinactments, and it's clear that they base their work--at least in sections--off of Roger Brucker & Robert Murray's work, which has been hailed for a long time as the definiteve source for the Floyd Collins story, and it addresses all the misconceptions from years beforehand. For a large, correct retelling of events, the best chance for doing so in this day in age wouldn't be a movie, but a several part TV Limited Series, such as how they did with Stephen King's 11.22.63 some years back.
@roger those are partially what got me into Floyd Collins to begin with.
0 likes@a child Check the OG comment again, it's been edited.
0 likes@Testa cals revisti my OG comment.
0 likes@Pop Ioan Yeah looking back I coulda handled it better; revisit my OG comment in here.
0 likes@Lord J'zargo My "authority" doesn't really exist, but it's still better than IH's, since I've done the research over years time, many times going over my copy of Roger Brucker & Robert Murray, who are cavers and historians themselves, did an exhaustive research book, as well as reading other sources for their perspective and details. Revisit my OG comment again.
0 likes@Bobblehob Whenever I'd try to tell people about some of these, they'd automatically brush it off as "not important. the videos not supposed to be 100% accurate, get off the minor details" and shit to that extent which i'm getting mad at. Regardless tho, revisit my OG comment.
0 likes@Milki_W6ze Well you don't strike me as one who cares much at all about History then, and why it should be told correctly rather than adding whatever fake details you want into it. Regardless tho, I could've handled some of the replies better. Revisit my OG Comment.
0 likes@Super Beast revisit my OG Comment.
0 likes@C Porter Yeah okay fair enough you've convinced me
0 likes@C Porter What a fucking ass clown you are.
0 likesYou don't have any inaccuracies and you aren't making a video.
You're just a pathetic goon.
@C Porter You're not wrong to call out inaccurate information to correct others, but your hostility isn't helping your case, as seen with how others reacted to your subsequent replies.
0 likes@C Porter ping
0 likes@roger thanks.
0 likes@a child put out a video on it. Watch it.
0 likes@FlipFlopGod put out a video on it. Watch it.
0 likes@Mihail Milev I put out a video on it. Watch it.
0 likes@Testa cals I made a video about it. It talks about a shit ton of stuff he got wrong.
0 likes@Zack Voltran2 the video is out now
0 likes@Odin whoknowstoomuch the video is out now.
0 likes@Eccomi the vids up now
0 likes@Erin Slabaugh the vid is up now.
0 likes@Wegner The video is out now.
0 likes@Pop Ioan the video is out, and it provides everything you could want. At least for now.
0 likes@Lord J'zargo see my video on it. Sorry that it's 2 weeks late.
0 likes@Border Souls videos out now.
0 likes@Super Beast I put out a video on it. Watch it.
0 likes@Nathaniel C. Polley I put out a video on it. Watch it.
0 likes@Maurice Steel I put out a video on it. Watch it. Took longer than I wanted to.
0 likes@Down Above Well you dont have to wait anymore. It's out.
0 likes@Gregory Pan 2 weeks later, still thinking about how you have the audacity to compare me to the yellow journalists like the one who literally made this video, and the ones that contributed to his death. But hey now you can see that I'm right, cause the videos' out now.
0 likes@Mihail Milev the video is out.
0 likes@Erin Slabaugh Sorry if I'm replying to you twice, so may people in here wanna be notified this way, instead of more convinient ways. The video is out now.
0 likes@Ardius I put out a video on it. Watch it.
0 likes@C Porter yeah I left you a dislike bud. Very boring video
0 likes@FlipFlopGod well it sucks to be you i guess
0 likes@C Porter video was so boring. You should have edited and added your own Style. Your personality doesn’t cut it
0 likes@FlipFlopGod lol it is my own style. It's called accuracy and truth. Not that you were ever interested in either of those things to begin with. Granted, it IH's video hadn't come out and I was doing it on my own, I would've made it a lot more cinematic.. and also more importantly, gotten the story right instead of reinventing it like he did here.
0 likes@C Porter except I can guarantee you you didn’t get it accurate and you didn’t tell the truth. Nobody will watch and nobody will care
0 likes@FlipFlopGod the ratios, views, and comments say otherwise. This comment shows me that you didn't even watch it yourself.
0 likes@C Porter I’m not watching the whole video. You didn’t even bother editing it. You are so boring!!!!
0 likes@C Porter Odd to be coming back here after so long, I kind of forgot what happened. Just to mention, I didn't ask to be notified or anything.
0 likesAnyway, I skimmed through your video, or at least the first quarter of it. What I find interesting is that you most likely wouldn't have ever made this video if it wasn't for Internet Historian releasing his, and the people in the comments that are thanking you wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't for this debacle.
What I'm saying is, you didn't make a video 'purely' for historical purposes, you made one to discredit a certain YouTuber which, interestingly, you spent a whole seven minutes or so on. Was that needed?
Was any mention to the previous video or IH needed at all, couldn't you have simply made a video on the cave and the people involved purely on it's own?
@C Porter thanks, will check it out
0 likesI love how the Shelbys are just duplicated in the background lol
0 likesDamn ! Crazy to see that even the Peaky Blinders were there to help !
0 likesI'm not going to pretend this would have worked, but a simple pulley before the mans head, would have allowed the men pulling the rope to apply as much force as they wanted, while redirecting the rope towards the far wall, instead of against the rock and gravel that he was being pulled up against. Would this have helped? Who can say. But it would probably have been a little more effective than just yanking him up.
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Someone must have thought of that at some point, but then again they did lament about not implementing basics like the radio or tarpaulin for Floyd's comfort.
0 likesThe challenge would have been setting it up securely, which is probably what made them disregard the idea if they did think of it. The main challenge after that would have been the rock pinning his leg.
im from kentucky and this is a story i never heard. great video!
0 likesThat moment of Floyd making a desperate attempt to keep someone, anyone with him before the cave-in just made me feel a range of emotions- I just can't. This is all basically just virtual paper dolls moving around and yet the execution of this video is so good
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It's a fake reenactment of a very real event, makes it all the more horrifying
64 likesWelcome to the wonderful world of "Internet Historian".
7 likesThe sad part is, as much as I COMPLETELY understand his decision to retreat out of the cave, if that man did stay with him - he MIGHT have been able to keep Floyd alive until rescue. I know it was exposure that got him, and not much could've been done about it once the bulb went out, but perhaps giving him the coffee nearby and keeping his morale up...I dunno. Maybe he would've perished regardless, but the hopelessness likely contributed to Floyd giving up.
15 likes@Nabzarella Dare They would have had to share a tin of coffee for days and days in complete darkness, no food whatsoever, and Floyd still freezing to death. I honestly think he would not have survived either way. Also, hard to keep the guys morale up when he basically trapped you in a stone coffin.
11 likes@Santiago You can survive without food for quite a while, more than a week - it's water/liquid you can't live long without. The man would've been okay with next to nothing, but Floyd couldn't even give himself the coffee nearby without another person. Perhaps the man could've also shared some of his body heat with Floyd to keep him warm enough, as the light bulb did for the longest time. It's just a theory for sure, maybe he would've perished still, but it's a haunting thought. A thought that probably also haunted the man who left Floyd in the cave.
2 likesIn hindsight, Floyd really should've prioritized widening The Squeeze before anything else.
0 likes5 minutes in and I have a new fear unlocked… thanks
0 likesYou should do a video about how the water supply for the city of Flint, Michigan got messed up
1 likeWas amusing to watch, well done.
0 likesWhat a sad irony that Floyd indeed succeeded in turning his cave into a famous tourist attraction, but not in the way he hoped for
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Monkey's paw
7 likesSuffering from success ....... Literally
49 likesMonkeys paw kinda stuff.
1 like@King_ Ping tbh more like success from suffering
85 likesI literally just watched the Ted the caver story from muta, so upon hearing the name Floyd I instantly went "oh, oh no"
3 likesThe Monkey’s Paw curls
8 likes@Cubi Damnit you beat me to it by 45 minutes lol
2 likesit is a greek tragedy indeed
1 likeA Faustian trade if ever there was one.
1 like@Tom M really not, no. he worked hard and failed.
0 likesa "faustian trade" would be a cheating way to success, which then ends up costing you dearly.
@Leos Lit yeah this is definitely a monkey paw "wish master" twisting of the words situation
0 likesHe wanted a tourist attraction about his cave and by God he got one
Ah the "righteous mobs" acting on rumours of their own creation and ruining everything for everyone whilst feeling they're doing the correct thing.
1 likePeople were no different back then than they are now.
This channel may only release 2 videos per year, but the quality is absolutely waaaaay beyond anything out there.
1 likeOne of my favorite channels of all time, and probably one of my favorite storytellers of all time and that's saying something.
This was as fun to watch a second time as it was the first time.
rip to all those who died in a cave they were exploring but enjoy your darwin award
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0 likes11:05 I was not expecting to randomly hear the MOH:AA soundtrack in a IH video.
2 likesHomer is a real one, jesus christ. Went where no other man dared without hesitation, and mustered the strength of more than 5 other men to relieve his brothers pain. Gerald and Miller too, its just insane the loyalty and dedication these guys had.
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news men were just build different back then
40 likeswell it was his brother, so...
1 like@Goddeperson No3 I'm glad Miller got rewarded with a Pullitzer.
16 likesI'm just wondering how small and skinny you gotta be to be able to fit to even be physically possible to try. My head ain't that big but some dudes got a fat head. I'm short but doubt once my head gets in if there would be any way other then cutting my chest open and removing bones to fit. I might have 1 or 2 cm maybe at most.
4 likes@Goddeperson No3 uh
0 likes@Goddeperson No3 I doubt he was the only reporter there. Miller was just built different
1 like@Screaming Cactus trueee
0 likesMan's an absolute chad
Just came here to see how someone can make a video about some guy in a cave that takes more than 1 our, and maybe bookmark it to watch later because I could guess it's worth watching but boring.
0 likescouldn't imagine first few seconds will be the start of watch the video till the very end
what a piece of history to share
made masterpiece with great production.
20:27 “24-karat idea!”
0 likesI’m using this line now
I like internet historian, I like rewatching his videos…I can’t watch this one again. It’s too horrifying.
0 likesYep, for once, if Floyd would have just downloaded and played World of Tanks, this wouldn't have happened. Thank god Plague is into drawing furries and not caves.
0 likesThat final interaction with Floyd is what got me. He knew the cave was about to cave in and he was just scared. After being stuck there for so long he didn’t want to be trapped alone. Terrifying what he must have felt afterwards. Most people would go insane from being left alone in a white room for 24h I can’t even imagine what he felt not being able to move at all just him as his thoughts. I’d like to believe that Floyd knew that they where digging for him and that they hadn’t given up.
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I can't even imagine how terrifying that must've been. Alone in a freezing dark hole with just a small light. You can't hear anyone and no one can hear you while you're slowly dying. I got shivers just by typing this. God bless that man's soul. I hope he found peace in the afterlife.
127 likesI honestly think he may have survived if the other man had been in there. Might have been enough body heat sharing and will power to continue.
28 likesAs a great actor in a terrible movie once said.
55 likes'the man was drowning, you can't blame him for trying to drag someone when he's drowning"
@KillerSpace2726 I would be concerned about food...he might have died anyway, 3 days with exposure and stuck in the cold might not have made a whole lot of difference even with someone else...I guess we can't know
21 likes@C L We never will, but I like to think there's a world he made it.
3 likesI think Floyd's intent there wasn't that he wanted someone to be trapped with him so he wouldn't die alone, but rather he knew that if there was someone else stuck with him after the cave in, they may redouble their efforts to rescue them both. Rather than just write him alone off as a lost cause.
17 likes@Andro Oooo, good point
3 likesMe a minute into the video: “oh he is going to get out. Everything will be just fine.”
0 likesPause the video.
Me after I see how much is left to watch: “Fuck!”
It always amazes me that no one is worried about a venomous snake biting then directly in the face as the climb in a cave, or a freakin wolverine mauls you
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Snakes... don't... do that? And wolverines, for one, would not live in a cave, and secondly, would not kill some guy randomly.
0 likesI can't describe the feeling of caring so much about a hole
0 likesThere really wasn’t anything better to do back in the day than to go look at a guy stuck in a hole in the ground huh
1 likeMan. The part where Floyd knew the cave was going to collapse and was begging to not be trapped alone hurt my soul.
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Dying alone might be terrifying but becoming the cause of someone else's death is more depressing. Especially if there's a prospect that you'll spend some time with their corpse
77 likesDying alone might be terrifying but becoming the cause of someone else's death is more depressing. Especially if there's a prospect that you'll spend some time with their corpse
2 likes@anto karman he wasn't thinking clearly at this stage for sure. It is understandable that he would ask for impossible things like this
119 likes@anto karman
17 likesHe already have losed his mind at that time
that hurt me too, he was basically begging another person to die with him
22 likeshe might have even survived with some company to keep him awake
10 likesPlay stupid games win stupid prizes. If you have a dumb and extremely dangerous life threatening hobby like this then you should expect this to happen to you. Guy literally was the surprised Pikachu face meme. XD
8 likes@Obi the BEEF Dude was doing the capitalist hustle: risk your health and accept risks in the vain hope that you will become rich... and instead have others profit off your misfortune.
31 likesat first I honestly thought he was begging the guy to kill him before it caved in and left him to die of exposure
6 likesAlso thinking that was the last moment he spoke with anyone else.
4 likes@Obi the BEEF
0 likesCapitalism at is finest indeed !
@Katamari Roller That's life, not just Capitalism. You don't become big by taking no risks, living a quiet life.
4 likesIf that guy had been trapped with Floyd he might have survived since he could have shared his body heat.
0 likes@anto karman Nah. It's more depressing to die alone. Especially when there were so many people there who just didn't do anything and when you thought you were so close to getting out. At least if there's someone else there and you can help each other survive and potentially be rescued. Floyd survived almost a full week after all.
0 likesThey've done studies, back when those experiments were legal, that showed that dogs who couldn't reach the rim of a pool drowned faster than dogs that could. Like them Floyd likely just gave up once the hole was sealed and he finished crying. That might not have happened with someone else there.
@Katamari Roller indeed. When your options are farm where the soil is poor or try to get a few quarters from cave tourist, its probably a much better idea just to move. You get a lot more out of life that way.
1 like@Rainkit to be fair, it's not like moving is cheap or easy. Specially for a field worker with a family.
2 likes@Zadamanim no, there wouldn't be enough water
0 likes@ok There was plenty of water on the ground and on the walls.
0 likes@Zadamanim I doubt there'd be enough for two people. Plus, I don't doubt that part was entirely hopeful optimism, they were quite deep underground at that point so it wouldn't be surprising for there to be no water.
0 likesIf only it had been the 1st time and the last that brave Kentuckians had been trapped in the cold unstable underground as for more than a century spelunking and coal mining have entombed the unfortunate who, for fame or simply to feed a family, have died in the wet and constant 55° environment waiting in desperation for rescue.
0 likesWhen you said clay, I though "SMASH THE STONE!" BETTING ON VINEGAR! 2/3rd into it
0 likesif you are depressed think about this: World of tanks thought Schwarzenegger was not enough and hired Internet Historian
1 likePretty sure I've watched this at least ten times now
2 likesWendigoon barely being able to hold it together after singing “whatever you do don’t cut my foot off” had me in tears
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fr i did crying af
16 likesI dont get it. Ehat is it about wendigoon?
1 like@CrowLife he's a pretty cool dude with some awesome creepy/spoopy vids. Highly recommend.
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106 likes@Aexis Rai True hero coming in with the timestamp.
45 likesAhh he voiceovered. Thx guys
3 likesI had to pause the video cuz I couldn't breath LMFAO
1 likewait now that you mention him, this video reminded me of his video on some national flesh pit park... combined, these two videos have heavily contributed to my fear of caves
1 like@Aexis Rai thanks
1 likeCasually waiting for internet historian's 8$ twitter verification video
1 likeHow did he even find that place? How could he even have discovered the goal location to begin with?
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I'm surprised nobody tried to open the turnaround more. It would take a while but surely a few more inches of clearance would incentivize more people to help.
0 likesWhen the Red Dead Redemption II music hit, I felt that.
1 likeQuestion: why did he not make the cave accessible going in? Why start digging way inside of the cave? Seems stupid and reckless.
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From what i hear you generally don't mess with naturally form cave formations
0 likesI don’t think I’ve ever felt more secure in my life than whenever Gerald showed up on screen, he just oozed charisma and security
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If the first and only person to come to his rescue was him then Floyd might have managed to survive, unironically
212 likesI bet he's good at cuddling
41 likesWow now im noticing it too
0 likesHis actor Rusty Cage also makes some cool videos
7 likesI am right there with you
2 likesI make entertaining videos as well🙏
0 likes@Yung Zyon Shut up.
0 likesBots don't have screens.
1 like@First name they ain’t a bot?
0 likes@Uhh.... hi? What's it like having a room temp IQ? This is a bot poster.
1 like"Speaking of people trapped in their caves... WORLD OF TANKS" 😅
1 likeI've been listening to the story in the background as I do other things around the house, and as IH keeps upping the ways that rescue teams go in to try and save Floyd, it creates the thought that all of this has to be happening over the course of weeks upon weeks worth of time. I mean, so much news being passed around in the 1920's about a random farming man in the middle of Kentucky being trapped in (as far as people would've likely assumed) unremarkable cave, becoming the entire talk of the country to the point where it's the third largest non-war headline between two World Wars and the President of the United States garners an interest in it? People want to crowd around to help out? The town gets inundated with tourists, flocking to see Floyd specifically, to the point where the population grows by more than 10 times its original count? The government actually gets involved to help this random farmer, saying to take however much money is necessary to get the people and equipment needed to get the job done? I have to remind myself to look at the elapsed time since Floyd's entrapment to remind myself that all of the aforementioned events, ALL of them, happened in *just* six days. And it took about one of them for anyone to even know that Floyd was trapped in the cave to begin with. It is just.... insane to me, that it could happen at this rate pre-internet, and it must've been so overwhelming for everyone involved. It's just amazing.
1 likeCaves where I can't walk through are just a hard nope for me.
0 likesNice video! You should do one of the Amityville case
0 likesI have no idea how you managed to depict the caves so well but it looks genuinely terrifying to watch through. For moments, I felt like I was stuck in a cave. 441 hours is absurd and to think he survived most of that alive and somewhat conscious is horrifying.
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There is a video about the nutty putty cave on youtube very unsettling as well
15 likesGod yeah I had shudders of claustrophobia when he was describing the process of him getting in there
6 likes@chinablue who oh geeze a guy also died in that one, yikes
0 likesThis was unbelievably entertaining. As good as, if not better than, a movie. Especially if it was a movie on this topic which would undoubtedly be trash. It genuinely made my day, I started listening to it in the background, and 10 minutes in I'm totally invested emotionally, despite them looking like early years South Park characters, and having a good laugh.
0 likesthis is the most absolutely terrifying thing i have ever seen
1 likeHey! For sure you have another project in your hands, but I'd love to see an Elon Twitter episode of Internet Historian in a year or two!
0 likesSo what I got from all this is the "cappers"....were the OG cappers of the modern terminology
1 likeI love that all the passers bys are peaky blinders. My brain likes to think this was a ploy used to profit by those pesky English boys.
0 likesThe spectrum of human emotions was on full display here. Hope, determination, love, fear, desperation, greed--rest in peace an inspiration to cavers.
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more like inspiration to not ever go into a damn cave
42 likes@This isn't medicine yeah lmao, after this I'll probably have a phobia lol
3 likes@kotzpenner you mean "claustrophobia"?
0 likes@This isn't medicine eh, more specifically phobia against caves? I don't know what the word is. Claustrophobia is just tight spaces, which are semi-fine
0 likes@kotzpenner you say as we are looking at pictures of a man who squeezed himself through a what 7 inch hole?
0 likesHearing the Outer Wilds track makes me smile
0 likesMy parents took me to Mammoth Cave a few times as a kid, it was a good time. Little did I know...
0 likesBTW you're pronouncing "Louisville" wrong. Try saying "Law-ville," but pretend you're a heavily inebriated Danish guy.
Remember when he said "no more 45 minute videos on the main channel"? He wasn't lying at least
0 likesThis guy took the fuck around slider and moved it up to 15. This is an amazing insight into humans. How they solve problems. How they make them worse. Also.. I learned one thing. Kentucky don't fucking give up.
0 likesIt was heart wrenching when Floyd begged Casey to stay I genuinely can’t imagine something like this its just unthinkable
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I shouldn't have read the comments
46 likesStories like these are why I would never go cave exploring the way Floyd died is one of the worst ways ever
149 likesStarved dehydrated alone in the dark with no one to share his last words with and knowing he was so close to being rescued
Also the way to Floyd was actually horrific and I was just looking at it through my phone cant imagine the people who went in in absolute darkness multiple times
@NS Alieister I can't think of a worse living hell
19 likes@NS Alieister You want another, arguably worse, trapped-in-a-cave story? Check out the Nutty Putty cave incident. It's horrifying.
39 likes@Edana ni Emer I know about that one I thought this was another retailing of that but more detailed but this is the first time I heard about this one and wonder why it isnt more popular considering its as bad (I think being suspended upside down would be worse)
19 likesThis is why I am never entering a cave for any amount of money I am not taking that chance no matter how low it is
The narration stated that Floyd was aware of the impending cave in. I can't imagine the desperation someone must experience in order to try and trap a rescuer inside with them.
58 likesThat and Floyd presumably passing with his light bulb flickering out made me emotional, as if the return of the cave's darkness is what finally took him.
@Zuleph Izus I would imagine the moment his light went out, the only thing he had left, he gave up and stopped fighting and let his body slip away
45 likesIt would be his last symbol of hope getting dashed
@Zuleph Izus somewhat ironically, if he had have managed to lure the other rescuer in with him before the collapse, there would’ve been a much higher chance he’d survive. Another person in there who would have food and water, to talk to and keep pushing through together. It says he was dead for 24 hours by the time they reached him; I’m sure with the extra person and extra supplies staying with him (presumably with a lamp for light too) he stood a much better chance of surviving those 24 hours
27 likes@T Man what about the other dude that was in the gap i think?
0 likes@Nameless what about him? I’m confused what you mean?
2 likes@T Man
14 likesWhere'd you get 24 hours from?
At 59:20, a coroner said Floyd was dead for about 3 days, about 72 hours, before they found him
@T Man i dont remember 💀
0 likes@Nameless
11 likesOh i think i figured out where. The Tulsa newspaper header a few seconds later. i guess the was a discrepancy in the reports?
@Zuleph Izus it also said 24 hours tho? That’s weird. If it was 24 then it was a much better chance, but even 72 would be do-able I think
4 likes@T Man The newspaper headline said that, not him.
2 likesAlso, they had tried many times to free him that way.
The person he tried to keep down with him was just surveying the situation, so would've had very few tools with him. So no, he wouldn't have survived that way, not remotely.
"Push through together"
With what, mind control?
@George HH To be honest, i agree that the rescuer could've helped Floyd survive if he stayed during the cave in.
4 likesThere was food and drink with Floyd, but Floyd can't feed himself. The lightbulb went out about 3 days before Floyd was found, another person's body heat could've kept him warm for the remaining hours. And humans are truly social creatures, I'm sure having some company would've had a very positive affect on Floyd's mental state.
That being said, I have no idea what state the trapped rescuer would be in if he got stuck. 12 days without food would be a tough hurdle to overcome.
@Zuleph Izus he probably wasnt thinking straight, it was likely a panic reaction
0 likesI can’t wait for the internet historian’s video of Elon Musks twitter takeover
2 likesI watch this already knowing what happened, I'm not sure how I feel about the humor.
0 likes5:06 this animation is really amazing. i almost got sick watching it
0 likesWith a lot of these like 100 year old stories, I wonder what would happen if this happened today. Like would he have gotten out? What would they have done differently
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0 likesif it happened now hed prolly be out within 1 week but its still crazy how this story went
0 likesI'm extremely impressed at how you transitioned away from telling internet history to regular history and no one seemed to notice.
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I noticed, just welcome it.
13 likesHe's still IH. Except instead of an internet historian, he's a historian on the internet.
56 likesTo be fair he's done it before. Costa Concordia or Harold Camping videos for example. Neither one had anything to do with internet history. They're just real life stories like this one.
19 likes@Bloody Mess part of the transition
4 likesI noticed, just didn’t welcome it.
0 likescaves are the original internet
0 likesThis is the kind of shenanigans that normally happen on the internet, so that’s why. Besides, now that it’s number 3 on trending it’s technically a crossover hit. God bless poor Floyd and Homer.
0 likesHour 144 - Authorities took control of Collins' rescue.
1 likeHere is an idea: start with that next time.
Cave city story screamed made in abyss. Floyd would've been a white whistle 😂
0 likesNot the only time a guy named Floyd would dominate mainstream media for while huh?
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0 likesthis sounds like an episode of the magnus archives (for the Buried entity)
0 likesReally nice of IH to give every Twitch variety streamer a solid hour of free content like this, they need it
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Fuck twitch streamers, bunch of parasitic vermin
0 likespyrocynical moment
52 likesTwitch streamers get the wall first.
41 likesAsmongold reaction already in the process
28 likesDarkViperAU wants to know your location
7 likes@piyo! Man's has many videos he needs to just post already.
0 likesDude they're the worst, can't tell you how much I hate reaction channels or twitch streamers that just watch videos and don't offer anything but a couple of chuckles and nodding along in agreement. Absolute leeches
30 likesanything to keep paying for Hasan's mom to make him nuggies
0 likesHonestly I love watching reaction videos (not streams) and I can't wait to see how people react to this video!
3 likes@Tanuki Joshua Graham in full honesty it's a guilty pleasure of mine but at least i try to watch people who add stuff like VTH
1 likeI try to judge streamers on a case-by-case basis if they do reaction content, and IH videos provide one of the easiest ways to do that: if they skip his ads, then not only are they thieving shitbags for cutting out one of the more reliable ways to make money on YT, but they’re also idiots for skipping the genius that is the IH Ad Cinematic Universe.
4 likesTwitch streams should at least link IH's video and ask their viewers to leave a like or something after watching the video with them and also not skip IH's ad time like some twitch streamers I know.
0 likesEveryone fills in their own streamer and finally my man Wubby is doing it and even tho he skipped the ad he shouted out the World of Tanks referral code
0 likeswtf when wendigoons face popped up i was suprised, didnt know this was a collab.
0 likesThis is one of the best YouTube videos i have ever watched
1 likeDon't give those townspeople the title of having tried and failed. They didn't fail; they gave up. There is far more honor in failure. I will not say they did the wrong thing. If you find that you are unqualified and will only hinder the rescue (or worse, add another body) you should absolutely turn around, but you don't earn the title of having tried.
1 likeAt the 5 minute ad point i checked how long was left in the video and realized... this is gonna be good.
0 likesThe 3D rendition of the cave structure at 5:09 is so well-done in showing how far down Floyd was. I can't imagine how brave he was to go cave-exploring on his own.
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Is it bravery or stupidity?
107 likes@J It's desperation from financial destitution and a brazen hope for a better life. The United States and the state of Kentucky failed this man and his family in life and for another 60+ years after his death.
250 likes@J both are the same really
13 likesyes
5 likes@D.W. Stratton In death, sure, but remember that once upon a time people didn't expect the government to be their parents/safety officer/source of sustenance. It is in fact only VERY recently that this became fashionable among any large number of people. Your grandparents would remember that's not normal. Probably your parents too. People were made different, once, because the world is not nice and they intimately knew that.
28 likes@Galen Schultz You're really gonna pull a "kids these days" rant on a documentary of a man slowly dying alone in a cave. Very classy.
115 likes@D.W. Stratton Kentucky has failed damn near everyone that's ever lived there. Harlan County USA is probably the greatest documentary ever made and that's basically about how shit it is to live and work in Kentucky.
33 likes@Galen Schultz The utter disconnect from the reality is astonishing. If no one is productive who is failing who then? Nature doesn't do handouts.
22 likes@ChaosAndBunnies Interesting you went after me and not the guy moralizing over "gubmint those days" instead. And look at yourself, inserting yourself into a conversation you weren't a part of, in the comment section on a documentary of a man slowly dying alone in a cave even. Very classy.
13 likes@colin young Mr. Young, you've the words of an old soul.
1 likeI noticed you'd spelled it "brave" instead of its proper spelling "idiocy"
1 like@Galen Schultz my brother in christ, be that as it may we have an obligation to those who come after us to make the world better than we found it. Being built different meant people dying at 19 of black lung, or being caught in threshing machines, or a monopoly buying your house for pennies on the dollar because they found oil underneath the foundations. Giving people security and safety so they can contribute healthily to society is an inherently noble thing.
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0 likesBRAVENUTS@Morgan I disagree that it is inherently noble because everything has tradeoffs. You are never given something, there is always, always, always a price. You are never given safety, because safety from one danger must mean exposure to another. For instance a helicopter parent might keep their child safe from the dangers of falling off playground equipment but at the cost of a child learning to manage their own physical risk. Don't be so hasty to sign up for things "given" to you.
8 likes@Isaac Morgan he was either gonna go homeless,cause he needed fucking money, or die trying for a better life. He never expected to die down there of course, but he damn well didn’t plan on being poor. You should know this if you watched the vid, he needed money.
3 likes@Isaac Morgan difference between him and other people who go into caves is other people do it for fun and die,he did it because he needed money and died. A much better reason when you have no other option because the states only form of attraction is fucking caves of all things. Sounds like a bad place to live imo.
1 likeOr foolish
0 likes@Galen Schultz TFW you're built so different you don't like it when people help those in need.
20 likesBrave? Lol
0 likesBrave is when you risk your life saving a woman from being kidnapped or sacrificing your life to save that of a loved one. Crawling into an extremely dangerous cave for no good reason is pure stupidity.
@ChaosAndBunnies What's your point? Your words mean nothing.
1 like@Thicc Thicc Thicc I can tell you one thing I certainly don't like is you putting words in my mouth. Kind of you to take the worst possible meaning you might attribute to my words and run with it. A credit to our political system, you are.
7 likes@Youdontget that’s a pretty lazy interpretation. If you never had the bravery to risk anything in life, you would never accomplish anything. It was either this, or die in poverty with his drunk dad. At least he brought his community together and died on his feet… in a manner of speaking.
2 likesI always come to Internet Historian to feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable
0 likes@ChaosAndBunnies It's not a "kids these day" rant it's a fact lmao. The reason why people think the government needs to be a safety net is thanks to the industrial revolution and the advent of socialism. See, before we were industrialized centralized governments and government control was always seen as a bad idea. In the past people would have too be self sufficient. That is an objective fact. Thanks to capitalism and the industrial revolution, the working class was abused like never before. People stopped being self sufficient and started living in big cities and working in huge factories, using advanced tools for farming as all the land was slowly being bought out by robber barons and corporations. This environment is what led to the invention of socialism, and now here we are.
7 likesAnyways, nanny states suck, capitalism sucks, and the modern world sucks.
@Morgan Everything you mention is form the 19th century, which is the century that began the collapse of mankind. In the past when people were more self sufficient, I mean as far back as Medieval Europe, their lives were far better and more fulfilling. There are millions of mis conceptions about the past, and when you actually dive into real history, you start to realize just how better life used to be compares to today. The industrial revolution is objectively the worst thing to happen to mankind. We were better off before the concept of capitalism and the hyper police states we live in today existed.
0 likes@Caleb OKAY a man after my own heart. There are people working on this problem, of you're interested. In my opinion their focus on saving civilization while throwing out the bad stuff is futile, but there's multiple angles folks are attempting to solve the problem you laid out. Game B, the Dark Renaissance, there's some deep thinkers out there if you're interested in some cave exploration of your own.
0 likes@Galen Schultz In what way is the concept of a societal welfare a recent idea? There were entire revolutions and political movements in the late 19th and the entire 20th century to create better living conditions and working conditions.
10 likes@Galen Schultz what special wisdom is gained from contracting silicosis from silica dust in a mine in Kentucky, Dying in your mid thirties? At least the nanny state didn’t test your employer’s mine for dust levels? Rugged individualism is a psyop to let people with way more money than you off the hook for poisoning their workers.
0 likes@Galen Schultz everyone seems to be cutting your head off but I really agree with what your saying friend.
0 likesCapitalism and the industrial revolution started is sumerian times? When human started farming and wasn't bound to foraging for food all day they build giant cities to live in, and form communities govern by leaders, farmers had yearly quotas to fulfill or (in most civilization) face severe consequences. The industrial revolution and capitalism brought abundance in food and freedom of labor, the poorest person of today still lives a better life then the serfs and slaves of yesterday, your hatred is missguided, the thing you should hate is democracy, in the end only liars and cheats reach the top there.
1 like@President Panda I didn't say the idea was recent. I said it's only been recently fashionable with any great number of people. I try to pick my words carefully. I also didn't say societal welfare, I said the attitude toward the state of parent/safety officer/source of sustenance.
3 likesAlso, I don't think it's so easy to label everything we've done to our living and working conditions as "better". I also think it's going to be fruitless to have the conversation.
@Galen Schultz It was just as fashionable back then as it is now. Just because you personally do not see the progress made as a good thing, doesn't mean it isn't.
5 likes@President Panda Is there any progress that is not good?
0 likesAlso, that's poppycock. If it were just as popular then, we'd not have all the intervening reality from which to progress to modern day.
@Galen Schultz Ok I won't put words in your mouth then, even though I've literally copied 2 things you actually said.
1 likePeople weren't "built different" back in the day. They were built exactly the fucking same as we are now. There was simply no available technology that existed for the government to be capable of helping out huge swathes of people who actually needed welfare.
And your idea of people's grandparents not expecting the government to be a safety net is bullshit too. My grandparents grew up during WWII. They literally expected their government to save their entire nation from being destroyed. So....
Saying we should be wary of welfare is a ridiculous statement. Not everyone on earth is some kind of rugged individual who can fend for themselves.
@Caleb OKAY I'm sorry, but did you just repackage the Unabomber manifesto?
8 likesMy man really went "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
@ChaosAndBunnies the Unabomber was wrong while being right. Civilization and it's consequences (including the industrial revolution) have been a disaster for the human race.
0 likes@MoonmanHayatei so how did his brother end up with a better job?
0 likes@Galen Schultz You sound pretty old. You're at least 50, using Mr. in a youtube comment.
0 likes@Jess H only middle aged people can use certain words in YouTube comments. Got it. I certainly couldn't have been affecting a polite tone on purpose, it's because I'm old. I use proper grammar and punctuation on the internet as well, must mean I'm old, not that I care in a personal way about clear communication, right?
3 likes@D.W. Stratton its not the gov job to make your life easy or better.
1 likeI will never understand people that willingly put themselves in these kinds of situations. It's the embodiment of "fuck around and find out".
0 likesThis makes 127 hours look like child's play
1 likeI choked when I looked up, having had the video on as bg noise, and saw Wendigoon staring back.
1 likeCouldn't get him out with an army.
0 likesIn 1 week, 7 guys got him
Wtf
It's terrifying. I knew how this story ended, but knowing HOW CLOSE they got absolutely hurt.
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Knowing that if it hadn't rained he would probably hve been rescued is soul-crushing. His story and similar ones make me so anxious. I would have asked to be killed by the third day or something.
44 likes@Erwann Mariot this is legit why i will never do caving without a way or two to off my self cause FUCK dieing like this
0 likesI've seen another video on this and only now realize how many mistakes they made trying to rescue him. It's good to know the effort wasn't hopeless. Rescue was very foreseeable.
6 likesThis is the most intense youtube video I've ever watched.
1 likethe "he was dead..." just hit me like a large fucking truck...
0 likesAnd this kids, is why I'm never going caving
0 likesYou should do Woodstock 99 next, the Fyre Festival of Rock festivals
1 likeFrom scary, to uplifting to depressing, to batshit insane.
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I hope the father and the man that made a tourist attraction out of Floyd's body burn in hell.
0 likesPraise Sol!
6 likesThat’s my life. All of those in that order- over and over.
7 likesWow, sometimes reality is crazier than fiction
0 likesbro went from internet historian to full on historian
0 likesThe squeeze is the most uncomfortable and horrifying experience to be stuck
0 likes"This is MY hole! It was made for me!" - Floyd or something idk
0 likesFloyd had the best friend and best brother in the whole world. I cannot imagine how hard it must have been to just drop everything and just rush to save someone in just a slow and painful way of digging him out.
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Yea Gerald was a beast lol
12 likesTrue logalty, true brotherhood. Those 3 men though not all related were the embodiment of the word family.
14 likes"...there is a cave, that, every now and then, demands a sacrifice".
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0 likesbro the minecraft cave sound at an hour and 5 minutes scared the shit out of me because i was playing minecraft but i was above ground so i was sitting here for like a good 5 minutes tryna figure out what was going on
0 likes50:41 "It's a good old fashion hole diggin. By gar it's been a while"
1 likethose end credits is everything
0 likesIt’s crazy that an animated video with wendigoon as the protagonist can still mess with my claustrophobia
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@DodgeThis! wtf do you mean you dont even have a single like
193 likes@DodgeThis! ratio fail
117 likes@DodgeThis! counter-ratio
110 likesits even worst in dreams
2 likesWendicum
4 likesxQcL
0 likesI know right? As someone with claustrophobia this video still manages to mess with it.
10 likesThis is why I'm never going into a cave, even if they paid me for it. Hell no
8 likesI don’t even have claustrophobia normally and this is still actively triggering primal fear in me!
23 likesHad the same thought
2 likesDude for real. I'm only six minutes in and I'm freaking out!
4 likesI am on 7th minute, yet "FU*K NO" counter is already beyond two digit line :D
3 likesthe squeeze part gave me chills and made me light headed
3 likes“Animated”
2 likesI lasted 8mins and I'm out
1 likeSame.. holy shit
1 likeI get why some people call CGI "animated", but why this?
0 likesYou're alright mate, now you're just typing in a tight little box with no escaping or breaching the confines of, inside two windows that exiting will lead to a dead end screen (most likely of some anime chick that's underage seeing how you're a gamer).
0 likesI don’t even have claustrophobia, but fuck that shit!
2 likesI think Wendy just messes with my claustrophobia by his manly randy eyes
0 likes@HexCodeFF Animation is just the illusion of motion by displaying still figures in a sequence of poses. Which is exactly what this video is. CGI is just computer generated imagery - it can be animated or static depending on how its used.
4 likes@DodgeThis! Return to Twitter, goblin
1 like@[BB] animation is the illusion of motion, correct. Yet, the displayed motion can't exist itself, virtually, digitally or in reality. Otherwise it would include any and all displays of motion via video.
0 likesAny movie would therefore be animation. That is why I take issue with your definition and prefer mine.
I would call this video a "motion graphic".
edit: A useful rule to figure out whether or not something can be called an animation is to ask the question whether or not you can draw a vector between two frames of the sequence.
Yes: Then it is puppetry/motion graphics.
No: Then it is animation, most likely.
What your definition of animation doesn't include either are non-video animations, like flip-books or zoetropes, which include the only form of 3D animation ever created.
@Jade Greenleaf He's probably a twitter leftist who thinks "ratio" is a simple command that he can use to get his braindead followers to like his comment instead of an organic counter-reaction to someone being incredibly stupid by getting more comments mentioning how stupid they are than likes on their tweet.
0 likes@Glass of Water my long lost brother, at last.
2 likes@slake to quench ones thirst yooo
0 likes@HexCodeFF dude, its fucking animated, let it go.
0 likesIt's not about the animations but the story itself. I got no claustrophobia but the idea of being stuck in some cave like that terrified me from the first couple minutes.
0 likesWhat if Homer would stand back against the rock towards/above Floyd and push the rope down towards the other side with his foot while everyone else was pulling? That should've made the rope pull more horizontally. I'm sure some of the power would be lost but with that many men pulling could it have been enough force and towards the right direction?
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Hey and 30:30 when his torso is available the rope can be secured around more of his body and it wouldn't cause as much trauma when being pulled.
0 likes.....fuck... That was the plan but the mob fucked him over. Shit. :(
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0 likesThis is extraordinary. Great job
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0 likesthis is the best episode of peaky blinders i've ever watched!
0 likesI'm so infuriated by the way the public ended up making this so much harder. I was so fucking relieved when Gerald finally made everyone leave. Get you a friend like Gerald, someone who tells everyone their support is best appreciated from a distance because their physical presence is making it worse.
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Way too late though, maybe they could've saved him if not for them weakening the integrity of the cave early on
43 likes@UnknownGamer40464 i knoww, i was literally so mad, i cried a bit honestly 😞😞
21 likes@Mayo Poppins
0 likesgerlad should have dropped a big rock from the ten foot drop onto floyd
Gerald also moved half a ton of the rock off him on his first go
29 likes@Ekkehard B. I don't blame him I would be ashamed if I didn't try my best In this situation
3 likes@pedro vega wtf? y would you "blame" him, that was somehting positive
1 likeYeah now you know why the founders only wanted land owners to vote. People that had skin in the game. Most people are sheep and beg to be led and in turn they want the rest of us thinkers to be shackled with them.
0 likesLet's be honest the American public would still do the same shit today that they did then, history always repeats it self very consistently
10 likes@NotSoClassy that's the exact reason that history is taught. We must acknowledge past mistakes and shitty decisions, lest they are done again and history repeats itself. Unfortunately, even when we have the upper hand of knowing the history, people think you can do the same thing with different results. It's moronic.
6 likesThis is why rescue services tell you to get back nowadays. The public only makes things so much worse.
9 likesLiterally! Gerald was such a good friend
2 likesi honestly think the mob of peasants hanging around to see whats up were not even aware that their presence was doing damage to the cave's structural integrity.
0 likesthink how stupid people in general are even by todays standards, and then think how bad it must have been back in the early 1900's where large portions of most country's populations were still illiterate, and even if everyone was literate they still had no internet and were still relatively isolated in their home countries.
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0 likesI remember hearing about this for the first time when I was a kid from the Black Stone Cherry song
0 likesBro the medal of honour allied assault music used definitely goes well!!
0 likes"G O D W O R K S I N M Y S T E R I O U S W A Y S"
0 likes"I T 'S A P A R T O F T H E P L A N"
"Y'all profited off of Floyd Collins' tragedy, didn't ya? Gawking sumbitches."
About 4:50 though and my claustrophobia has got me feeling like I'm in the Turnaround Room.
0 likesFloyd luring the man down during the cave in just so he wouldnt be the only one trapped actually scared me pretty bad.
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It gave me chills but you can’t really blame Floyd, he was at his wits end. I can’t imagine how painful it was seeing the person crawl away as the tunnel caved in.
299 likesAlso if your wondering what death by exposure (the reason Floyd died) means it’s basically being to hot or cold. Like dying in a snow storm would be death from exposure.
It’s probably for the best that he was alone. If the dude was trapped in there with him he probably would’ve killed him and then cannibalized his corpse until the rescuer’s came.
125 likesIt's really heartening to know I'm not the only one who got super freaked out by that. It's not like you can blame him for doing it, but god, the panic really set in in that moment for me.
144 likesReminds me of Matt Damon's character in Intersteller.
36 likesThat's human nature in a nutshell.
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2 likes40:10 timestamp of terror.
15 likes@Aesir Unlimited not to mention he'd have to piss and shit all over where his head is.
0 likes@Aesir Unlimited would've died from dehydration waay before he starved
0 likesI dont think he was trying to lure him into certain death, I think he was genuinely desperate to be helped out asap. And who knows how it would have gone if someone was around to dig from 2 sides of the tunnel at the same time. Maybe they would have succeeded.
10 likesI think he just didn’t wanna be alone, he knew that a cave in would happen and he just wished that someone else was there with him but alas he was left alone
1 like@Demoulius
1 likeHe claimed he was thirsty but then refused once offered a drink. He definitely knew he was about to be truly trapped, and wanted someone there with him.
It was heartbreaking.
0 likesYeah, that was so haunting. Really, really dark.
0 likesi would pay for this content to see in a theater ngl
0 likesProbably shoulda expanded the turn around rooms entrance first.
0 likesI like the “wolf among us” theme it’s a beautiful game
0 likesif they just kept removing the gravel instead of trying all that weird different stuff...
0 likesI don't fault that one guy for abandoning him when the section of the cave was about to collapse but its still heartbreaking.
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he would've died too
0 likesA death man is better than two death men
97 likesFr
8 likesImagine if he stayed, and ended up getting save by the digging crew
23 likes@hula hula He surely would have had better chances, though having your blood down in your feet for many days maybe would be a problem.
0 likes@Francesco Mazzei Floyd probably would've lived if someone was there with him.
1 likei am still shocked they threw his body into a bush
0 likesI'm getting an ad exactly every two and a half minutes. I'm watching on console so these ads are double and most of which can't be skipped, I like this channel but I'm 20 minutes in and I've watched all the ads I possible can at this point. Doesn't matter how good this video is it isn't worth the amount of ads I'm being forced to watch.
0 likesat the end i was just waiting for the host to say SIKE but he never did.
1 likeReally became interested with the video name being "Man in Cave." It's such a brilliant tittle.
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0 likesthe way Internet Historian presented the story is better than most high-budget documentaries out there, truly tense
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who needs a production crew of 40? Give this man premiere and 10 layers!
33 likesBetter than most movies too. Don't worry though, some out of touch Hollywood asshole will try to capitalize on this story only for it to come out as some half assed trash.
0 likesSomeone just give Internet Historian a 50 million dollar budget and let him do it for fuck's sake.
Internet Historian had nothing to do with it, this was all WORLD OF TANKS BABY!!
12 likesThat's because modern filmmakers of any kind are dogshit.
0 likesLol you must not have actually seen any actual high budget documentaries than… I hate these types of comments that try hard to exaggerate a video to justify it
0 likes@DomDiggity ahh, don't be such a Domdiggity downer
0 likes@DomDiggity can you reccomend some that interest you?
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0 likesI would tell you to get Grammarly, but this is too incoherent to be fixed. Are you trying to type on a McDonald's touch screen?
Documentaries never made me feel anything, this video did. I would rather watch this 1 hour video than a 30 minute documentary. He can talk about anything and make it enjoyable. There's humorous moments, there's tense moments, and its just a nice experience all around.
"Lol you must not have actually seen any actual high budget documentaries than" -- Said under a comment where someone compares this to high-budget documentaries (which he supposedly hasn't seen).
Hey historian, you should do a recap of the gme/amc stock saga that’s been raging on
0 likesI wanna know how this ends, but the story is told in such an obnoxious way… that i can’t and will never know.
0 likesso technicially all those people who just stood around where the reason for the cave in?
0 likesinfinite coldness of the universe: 0
1 likeindomitable human spirit: 1
This story is such a rollercoaster of emotions... hope, belief in human kindness and sacrifice, disgust at selfishness, sadness over a terrifying death of a man who only wanted a good life through his hard work...
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The only ones I was mainly mad at (So far, I haven't seen all of it) was the gawkers. The firefighter, the reporter, the cave team, they all did their best, against their judgement telling them to leave, going into the tightest area with spikey painful crystals along it. Yet many people who fixed themselves as "Heroes" weren't willing to be courageous, to be determined, to do their damnest despite the obvious danger. I'm no hero, I couldn't do that but those people were sickening if I'm being honest.
26 likeswell, In a bitter sweet fate all of us know floyd's story and what he had done
1 like@lucas mcalpine they if you call them bad people why they go in there to fucking feed him put up a whole as mining station plus having almost two presidents dealing it and thats during his alive times and even after his death that one team still had compassion to bring him to peace.
0 likes@👺samurai boi The Gawkers never went in and those that did turned back. I said that the people who went in and fed him were cool- the gawkers who sat outside lighting fires and doing nothing but destabilizing the cave were complete jackasses though. His brother? COol. The Reporter? Cool. The Fireman? Cool. The cave stability checking folks? cool. The miners? Cool. The gawkers who sat there and watched served no purpose and not only did nothing helpful but actively contributed to killing Floyd because their fires unfroze all the snow and ice holding the cave stable. Please learn basic reading comprehension.
0 likesWait… this isn’t internet history. This is just regular history…
1 like58:03 hey thats Jeff's voice from storymode 🙂
0 likesOh, my mom used to take me and my siblings on tours of Mammoth Cave when I was a kid
0 likesI don't have claustrophobia but I was starting to have a panic attack when in the first mention of the 9 inch hole
0 likesCrawling into your own cold, dark grave with no way out and dying alone in absolute darkness is easily one of the worst fates imaginable.
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It's probably what Hell will be like. I pray we all put out faith in Jesus so we go to Heaven with Him instead. Hell will be so scary and isolated and dark and disappointing. I pray you all find the Truth in Jesus of Nazareth.
37 likes@Cory C if you believe in god, god is the one who tortured Floyd in the first place.
91 likes@Kat S. Based
21 likes@Kat S. I don't think god exists as anyone might be able to comprehend. But if there is some sort of conscious decision making high power you must know that god is either not all powerful or not all good.
21 likes@Kat S. Bud, Floyd went into that cave on his own. The big G will NOT stop you from being stupid.
0 likes@Cory C Just how horrible is your religion that that is one of your beliefs you hold strongest and WANT to hold? Disgustingly anti-human and evil and you call it love. Like they say there is no hate like christian love.
10 likes@Kat S. I mean he was a greedy man so yeah he might’ve fuckin smited him
0 likes@Cory C God may exist, but why would he give two sh*ts about us? Nothing more than primal stupid apes with an exceptional tool making ability. There is no reality in which a perfect being could be even remotely human, we are just a game of sims.
0 likes@Cory C Sorry my nihilistic side shown threw a little there. If you believe that god shares your specific sense of morality that’s your business. Wish you luck either way, and hope you find happiness in whatever way you chose.
7 likes@Kat S. Imagine blaming God for your own free will and accord
18 likes@Zuniroa that’s what I’m saying tbh
3 likes@Zuniroa exactly. People dont want to have consequnses at all
1 likeSelf inflicted fate
3 likes@Cory C Are you seriously using this as a way to push your religion? You're saying "if you don't follow my religion then this is your fate". Its just fear mongering and it's honestly disgusting. For a religion that's supposed to be based on love, it sure takes a lot of fear and hate to trick people into joining. Just stop.
11 likes@Zuniroa Buddy, who supposedly created EVERYTHING including all the rules that make good people deserving of eternal torture? How is it that you God doesnt give a fuck if you have done good deeds, but only cares that you are a slave to him or else be punsihed? Free will? Did my free will create cancer and earthquakes? Fuck religion.
1 like@Kat S.
3 likesNobody forced him in there in the first place.
There is something worst : being born as Neillan.
0 likes@DrTuSo great recommendation, Fascinating Horror has a great video on it that makes my skin crawl just thinking about it!
1 like@Cory C Amen to that
0 likes@Geri Ott How is believing in hell anti human and evil? How many soup kitchens and orphanages have been opened in the name of atheism?
2 likes@Leroi Ken *cringe
0 likes@Arthur Duckett Quite a few, actually. (Or well, opened not in the name of any particular faith or lack thereof.) Religion doens't have a monopoly on kindness and generosity my guy.
4 likes@Zuniroa He created us
0 likes@chig bungus And?
0 likes@Arthur Duckett Secular humanitarianism is a thing. Also hell is a inherently evil concept.
0 likes@Arthur Duckett Hell is anti human because an infinite punishment is disproportionate compared to a finite bad action, or sin, which is even more problematic since the concept of sin has changed quite a lot over millennia and over different denominations. Fun fact: once I met a christian who believed that hell existed but it was actually empty because "jesus forgives everyone", I thought it was a nice way of "fixing" hell
1 like@Giorgio Bergonzoni These people are fumny😂 Everything was created by god and happens by his will, yet he has to bear 0 responsibilites as you "cAnT bLaMe gOd". Make it make sense
1 likeI don't know why I thought he would survive but I was so disappointed
0 likesWhats ironic is now thid video is creeping toward 10M views making Floyds story sensational again for a third time
0 likesI think I’ve been to this cave before
0 likesNever mind simpler story different cave
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0 likes49:31 That Miner from U.S. Mines Rescue Team to the very right, gives me the UTMOST Confidence.
0 likesWhat a gripping story. I'm sending this incredibly happy story to my grandmother
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i like your pfp
2 likes@ADe I don't
0 likesThis would just be a good podcast
0 likesalready from the first minutes, the video hits fucking intense
0 likesWhy was Floyd trying to open an entrance to the gypsum caves before opening up the Squeeze first? Did he really think some tourist was going to squeeze through a hole the size of a sandwich to see some rocks?? Like bruh😂😂
0 likesThey should’ve just put a torch down then all the falling gravel would break
0 likesCould anyone find out where the animation of the trees moving at 14:03 is from?
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Lmao
0 likesFantastic production!!
0 likesI thought this would be about that one creepypasta but I’m not disappointed
1 likeGoddamn I got depressed that Floyd died
0 likesI was expecting to be laughing my ass off for an hour but instead was sitting on the edge of my seat watching the story unfold.
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same tbh, i was like "oh shid internet historian update! , and also an hour long! time for a good ol quality entertainment!"
1 likeboi, it was not what i'm expected , still deliver but dang..
this is why we're subscribed to the internet historian
0 likesMoral of the story, don't let windegoon enter caves.
0 likesThey really should've just dug him out from the get-go, but I suppose they didn't have the momentum for it. Sadly, stories like this resulted in the robust rescue operations we have nowadays. If he was trapped down there today instead, he'd probably have been out within a day or two.
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0 likesRemember when our boi said he was going to not post anymore long videos past 15 mins, Pepperidge farm remembers.
1 likeMy first thought: We should go get some professionals, right tf now.
0 likesEverybody else's first thought: I should go take a look at him real quick.
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0 likesFor those wondering if Floyd's dream of reaching that section of Crystal Cave was ever realized, here's an excerpt from William Miller's (aka Ordinary Things) wikipedia:
787 likes"In 1954, [Miller] returned to the Mammoth Cave National Park area with a group of 32 people (journalists, scientists, and explorers) who were eager to study the famous Crystal Cave that Collins had originally discovered in 1917. They entered it, and spent an entire week exploring; Miller told an Associated Press reporter the Crystal Cave, with its "flower-like formations of gypsum" was like an "orchid paradise" and despite its role in the tragedy of Collins' death, it was still a place of amazing natural beauty"
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How did they get in though? The cave entrance and dirt hole were covered. If it was accessible, did anyone else ever go back and take pictures?
21 likesany photos
4 likes@mrshmuga9 they have drones and all sorts of stuff now. And they dug it up
4 likes@mrshmuga9 well when they we’re talking about how his brother recovered his body they did talk about how they got to the far side of his body and removed the boulder that pinned his leg, so if that’s true then they likely used the same entrance to enter further into the cave later.
31 likesI’m glad Collins could discover something so majestic and for it be discovered by the public, despite his tragic end.
7 likes@mrshmuga9 What do you mean how? That quote was almost 40 years later, technology improves, knowledge improves, etc.
7 likesThe sad irony of this is that if he had survived, he would have a direct tunnel to the cave dug for him.
1 likeIt was like his own personal siren
1 like"He flashed his light and eased himself in."
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SHUT THE FUCK UP, I WANNA KNOW IF HE’S ALIIIIIIIVE!!!!
Holy fuck nonono.
0 likesJust the first 5 god damn minutes was ore horror than I needed in my life.
The guy would have survived if they just thought about the problem for a few moments... Like pulling him directly up? Like wtf were they thinking?
0 likesso glad wendigoon got an hour long sponsor video
0 likesThis story has it all: unspeakable claustrophobic terror, Kentucky carney hijinks, the unrelenting perseverance of the human spirit, wacky 1920s technology, and a whole bodysnatching epilogue. It really is gut-churningly horrifying and a completely absurd comedy of errors at the same time and nobody could have told it better.
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5 likesSpoilers
1 likeSIXTEEN TIMES THE TERROR
6 likes@TimRT Howard It has been 5 days and anyone deciding to read the comments before finishing the video shouldn't be surprised to see spoilers
5 likesI could see this as a Coen brothers movie, but yeah this was really really good telling
2 likesThis story would make a good biopic
1 likeStill missing how he managed to shit while stuck down there though🤔
2 likes@Dazey pants
0 likes@NTDM so he had a weeks worth of shit in his pants?
0 likes11:15 man can afford himself a month of Twitter Blue
2 likesThis was hard for me too watch, i have a little brother.
0 likesPray too god this never happens too anyone ever again.
Hey tanks for the video, a nice anxiety inducing watch at 1am
0 likesWendigoons face crawling around LMFAOOOO.
1 likeIt’s so sad Wendigoon wasn’t rescued faster. I really liked his content. I hope he left a sizeable backlog of videos to give us the impression that he’s still with us.
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what i came to the comments for because why is nobody saying anything. I didn’t know he went through this!!
6 likesThat would be comfy
1 likeWho?
2 likesI thought I was tripping when I saw wendigoon’s face
0 likesWhoever's image you used for Floyd looks exactly like me. Its uncanny
0 likes18:19 damn! even Tommy Shelby was trying to get the guy out!
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0 likesCrazy how there is no movie based on this yet
1 likeIt’s insane that I knew that he died. I know the story already, I know he doesn’t make it out. But for some reason, this video had me tense and hoping that every attempt he would be rescued. I felt deflated when you said he died. This is such a great video.
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It's called Titanic Syndrome. When you watch the movie, the ship is approaching the iceberg and a small part of you is screaming 'C'mon! Turn damn you turn! You can do it!'.
55 likesWe're human. Hope is in our DNA.
reminds me of a joke I read in a joke book a while ago
37 likesTwo friends were watching an old cowboy movie.
It gets to a chase scene towards the end of the movie and one friend turns to the other and says, "I bet you $20 he falls off his horse," the other friend accepts. The hero falls off his horse and the friend pays out but the one that made the bet tells him "No I can't take your money; I've already seen this movie"
The other friend, "So have I, but I didn't think he'd do it again!"
@Carl Manvers lol
1 like@行屍走肉 LMAO
0 likesNo one would venture the squeeze
0 likesArthur Morgan: well hell I'll do it got nothing to lose
40:10 This is a missed opportunity to make Casey Jones stand in for TMNT's Casey Jones
0 likesthis video was how i found out im extremely claustrophobic
0 likesBut why had he gone 12 days without food? Idk if I missed something but I didn’t think it had been twelve days since he was closed off right?
0 likesWhat’s really emotional and just outright disturbing is that apparently rescuers had said that Collins’ last words were “You’re too slow.” as the caves walls were beginning to close in.
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fucking help me i read that in sonics voice
482 likes@the 𝓯𝓾𝓷 has 𝓪𝓻𝓻𝓲𝓿𝓮𝓭 ahahah im dying lmao
35 likes@the 𝓯𝓾𝓷 has 𝓪𝓻𝓻𝓲𝓿𝓮𝓭 yeah me too, kinda ruined it a little not gonna lie, but it also improved it
14 likesActually?
2 likes"YOU'RE TOO SLOW" i just imagine the sonic game over theme and collins waving his finger at the camera before being buried
23 likesHow could they hear him?
1 like@Team Inflament did you forget that sounds echo inside caves
5 likes@Taterds If he’s about to die, I don’t think he’s going to be able to scream loud enough to produce an echo
3 likesDefinitely odd maybe strange but disturbing thats rather excessive if u aks me
1 likeSounds like a cool tale someone spun to make the story more scary. I'd like to believe it, but I mean come on.
7 likes@eat hot chip and lie exactly, people are quick to believe something someone said in an era known for sensationalism and extreme stretches of the truth in journalism
0 likesHow do they know that those were his last words? He could have said stuff after the cave closed up.
4 likes@Messy Misha
1 likeEveryone processes information differently. It's completely natural for someone to find such a thing to be oddly morbid or disturbing. This entire story in general is heartbreaking at its core regardless of how you feel about that particular detail.
There is no way that World Of Tanks is anywhere near as good as this ad for World Of Tanks.
0 likesHow to spot a paid-off judge without saying that he was 100& a paid-off judge
0 likeskinda sad that people berated robert like that, he meant well but it just didn't work out, if maybe they pulled at a different angle it might have worked
1 likeWas it not feasible to approach from the same way they got his body out? Digging down to the side that had his legs?
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0 likesGerald is a freaking unit, he is incredible, it feels if he had appeared just a bit earlier and if there wasn't much commotion, he would've gotten Floyd out,,
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Oh, definitely, that guy was a machine! I wonder what happened to him after all the craziness.
43 likesGerald, Miller and Homer were incredible in this story! It's so frustrating that the crowbar method could've worked if the cave didn't collapse when it did :(
72 likesSoo.. all of that and at the end we don't have a good photo of what he wanted to show people?! Fuck, I hoped at least they managed to put a camera and take some photos of that awesome place
1 likeThe man Rusty coming in with the clutch
0 likesI'm never going in a cave ever
0 likesI'm only 5 minutes in but already I'm thinking if he was going to chip away at anything couldn't he make the 9 inch gap bigger to start???
0 likesYou can tell someone's a genuinely skilled storyteller when you already know the outcome to the story and yet you're still utterly captivated the whole time anyway. A+ man.
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Absolutely true, I wasn't familiar with this story before this video but I've already rewatches it three times and everytime I physically tense at parts
6 likesYea
0 likesY’know what? It was the 1920’s. Let’s just call it even.
1 likethis needs to get turned into an A24 movie
0 likes@49:33 they used the cave rescue creepers to blow up a path to him
0 likesThese cave videos just scare the absolute shit out of me, even recreations in the manner of Internet Historian.. ugh
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0 likesAs tragic as this story is, it's also kind of inspiring to see these instances of people putting huge amounts of effort and taking big risks just to save one life.
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'If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out.
111 likesPoor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.'
@platypi pope your full of it if you think 2 people on average die per search lol 😆
7 likes@mitchel Jackson LOOOOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣
42 likesGOOD ONE mitchel Jackson!!!! u defiantly got the point of the measage 😍😍😍
I totally agree! So inspiring.
1 like@mitchel Jackson a. its a quote from a book
9 likesb. often does not mean on average
At some point, it almost starts looking more like an act of defiance against that damn cave.
7 likesGoes to show you, people really do care even if it feels like they don't. It's the opportunities you aren't in that's the problem, not you personally. Everyone has value.
4 likes@mitchel Jackson if "uhhh actually..." Was a person...man do some soul searching lmaoo
6 likesThere's no damned point to civilization if we don't take care of each other.
0 likesIt's kinda beautiful, in a way.
0 likesHumanity has its merits.
@platypi pope Where's that quote from?
1 likeReminds me of the Thai cave rescue, which had a much happier ending.
0 likes@geek TUrD starship troopers by Robert heinlein, chapter 7 or 8 I believe
0 likestoday, huge amounts of effort are put into killing babies. how far we have fallen smh
0 likes@platypi pope restores my faith for humanity
0 likes@Taydra Cole-Williamson but the publicity was shittier
0 likes@platypi pope thanks g
0 likesamazing story telling
0 likes14:18 it’s pronounced Lou-uh-vuhl or lu-vul for short
0 likesWould he have heard the dynamite and digging sounds?
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He was dead by then.
0 likesplease do the demon core incidents
2 likesThat moment when he said he didn't want to be alone when the cave in happens, I didn't think much of it at first cause still believed he was gonna get out. That was actually the very last time anyone saw him alive. And I just thought back to that moment. Even though they still tried like hell to get him out after that, he'd never know about it. For all he knew, they already gave up by then.
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I doubt he thought they had given up, since he told Miller that he would stay patient.
49 likesBut it's possible that he lost hope that they'd be able to get him out, especially after it collapsed
he knew the lightbulb was still on and lived until it died and he lost the warmth.
36 likes@gz To be honest, during the last couple of days he was alive he probably couldn’t think at all. I’m sure he was completely delirious, more like in a coma than actually living
48 likes@gz He must have lost hope at some point.
2 likesHow were you able to hold my short as heck attention span, that couldnt even bare a 15 second ad, to watch an hour of cave pictures with moving cutouts and narration??
0 likesSecond time watching this and noticing the peeky blinders as the crowd in the background 👍
0 likesin the end, he did find something special that attracts tourists. himself.
1 likeDoes anyone know where the modeling at 5:22 is from?
0 likesWas at Mammoth Cave National Park recently where they told Floyd’s story during the tours, but the rangers didn’t tell the story nearly as good as you did. Though to be fair, I don’t think I could handle watching this video while being inside the very cave system in which it happened. Thank you for being a beautiful storyteller.
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I was in and out watching this and woke up to this scene. Very spooky to wake up to.
3 likeshe told the story shittily, got so many details wrong with it. I'm working on a response video right now to show it.
1 likeEDIT: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context, as to do tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
@C Porter lmao no one will watch your pile of crap
0 likesokay but like, care to share a few examples? Because if you don't your just mad.
18 likes@woah now that’s why he’s making a response video
3 likes@C Porter can you tell me some?
1 like@C Porter a response video? just make your own video detailing the whole event how you know it.
2 likesWoah ten dollars! Thank you so much for the money!
1 like@Benji I probably will afterwards, but a response video is entirely needed first. Because of how horribly he made his video, and how much disrespect towards the actual incident is there, he needs to be called out. There has been so much disrespect over nearly a century's time for Floyd Collins and the entire Collins family, it's time that people actually get some sort of negative consequences for it. I.H. holds absolute responsibility for telling stuff like this correctly, and it is abundantly clear to me that not only did he do little research, but he purposely left crucial details out and reconfigured the entire story around. It's not like that there's little to go off of anyways; there are several books, one of which being exhaustively long that was made about it, as well as documentaries and a attempted true story movie made about it by Billy Bob Thornton in years past.
1 like@woah now I'll give you this one for now, but really I'm trying to spend as much time on this video to get it out soon:
8 likesInternet Historian explains Floyd's whole mission to dig out Sand Cave for tourism, but says it as this is the cave that he found on his property. This is not even close to true; the cave that was found on his property was Floyd Collins' Crystal Cave, years beforehand, opening in 1917. Sand Cave, which was a name that the press came up for it by the way, was found in the later months of 1924, with an agreement from the actual landowner which was Bee Doyle, for a 50/50 split of revenue for when the cave was opened, if one could be found.
( there may be typos in here, but literally I'm spending a lot of time working on the video right now)
@C Porter ohhh this is interesting. I thought you meant a ranger at the cave told the story badly but you mean IH. It feels like IH would have a lot to lose for doing poor research so I’m interested in what points you bring up
0 likes@ServantoftheKing Well stay tuned then for my video, hopefully it will be up in the next few days. (Notice on my channel I have several videos on the songs about Floyd Collins on their original 78rpm records, one dating back to 1925 itself.) I'm going to expose this guy for what he truly is, a shitty source, who puts influence and visuals over the actual content, which has as many holes in his telling and lack of respect for it as the yellow journalists who sabotaged the progress of Floyd's rescue in 1925.
0 likes@El tio Fresca look to others in this comment section.
0 likes@woah now Already did show one, look in the comment section, but i''m working on this video to show you all, as you can be rightfully mad at him for what he's doing wrong.
0 likes@C Porter Bein honest this is a very weak point against him. I thought he did something real FUCKED UP by downplaying an aspect lie family or the severity of the story. I know it's just one point but this detail is basically at most a minor typo or something lol
6 likes@C Porter I look forward to your video but just as a heads up, IH is a comedian and all his videos are in this same style of silly ways to spread information. If he got facts wrong then by all means will be interested in hearing what's right and wrong. But if this is about his tone of the video, it came off as respectful enough to me. He obviously sympathize with the family and if anything, this story felt more like a jab at the way people have treated his situation in both stupid and admirable ways.
2 likes@eh I literally just listed the first of fucking many. This isn't a typo either, how the hell could it be? He did EVERYTHING you just mentioned in that comment. How can you watch the video even without this and not realize how fucked up it is? Animating Floyd's body flying in the air and laughing at it? Some of you people are legit hopeless.
0 likes@dzthfbn cbvm So it was respectful how he animated his body flying up in the air all magic like? or how he added sex jokes in there for no reason? How about replacing every photo of the actual people present with stock photos or literal costume designs for Chris fucking Kringle? This video has done nothing but misrepresent the story of Floyd Collins even more than it already is.
0 likes@C Porter Well, I'm interested to hear more about him. Looking forward to watch your video
2 likes@C Porter just say it, unless there isnt
0 likes@LZKN8 ngl, It may take a few days before it comes out, because unlike IH here, I'm actually caring about getting things correct.
0 likes@C Porter Those things you listed are flavors of his comedy. Not misinterpretions. Misinterpreting is like what you mentioned in your previous post about the incorrect naming and reasoning. Seeing a body fly across the sky...I guess you haven't watched his other videos on other retold events? Because he does that silly dark humor with everything.
11 likes@El tio Fresca You watched this video of 1 hour and 10 minutes length just fine, so you can watch mine of less than half that time when it comes out.
0 likes@dzthfbn cbvm Dark humor is fine if it's done with taste and respect at the end of the day. Such as with The Dollop's podcast episode on the Floyd Collins tragedy, though they still leave out a lot of other details. I highly recommend it.
0 likes@C Porter IH usually does follow up vids when there are mistakes his audience points out. He did with the Costa Concordia one, for instance.
2 likesSo he does care to correct any mistake. I kinda get the feeling you are trying to cancel him instead of just, you know, point out the details he got wrong.
@C Porter You're right it is fine. It just seems that IH's flavor of humor doesn't sit right with you and that's okay too. If your video is merely about the incorrect information I see no problem with it but if it goes into the points you brought up about the faces being replaced and calling something like THAT misinformation then it's...a bit silly because we all know it's not actually their faces. Even said so at the end of the video who was used as replacements. Of course you can still do what you like regardless of what I say, but I just end up seeing videos like those get laughed at instead of taken seriously or create a mob with pitchforks over something minor and losing the actual meaning of your video as well.
4 likes@Luis Rodriguez I'm not able to cancel people, not only is it too risky for me, but this guy literally has millions of subs and a ton more influence than a 78er who makes music history videos with actual cited sources, and made with true care and understanding of the subject.
0 likes@dzthfbn cbvm The attempts at humor in this is not misinformation, but it sure as shit is in bad taste. The video can't decide whether it wants to be a meme video, or an actual documentary piece, or something that truly tells the story right. There's nothing minor about this, unless you mean to say that anything historical is minor at the end of the day. Where do you draw the line? Does it have to be as big as the holocaust or 9/11 for it to be something major?
0 likes@C Porter You really want to compare 9/11 and the holocaust, events of murder that affected people nationally and globally even to this day, to the mistake one guy made by willingly crawl into a dangerous cave? And you want to hold the standards of an internet comedian to that of an actual historical documentary? As for drawing the line, it would be if this same video was meant to be taught in a history class and claimed to be 100% accurate. Why? Because I'm aware this is not to be taken 100% seriously. If I wanted an actual documentary I would go watch one and you know what? After I watched this, I went to go watch and read up on what happened in Nutty Putty as it was a similar situation because it peaked my interest and I wanted more facts. So I went to seek as such from not a comedien.
3 likesTO EVERYONE FOLLOWING IN THIS THREAD: First, yes I'm being rude in this, but as you all will see in time--if you end up watching the video i make--it is more than deserved, plus the arguments of: "it's a minor detail" followed by "Who cares", "If you don't like it, don't watch it", and "it's just a video for entertainment!" are the weakest and most predictable arguments out there, and it's clear you've put no thought into it.
0 likesSecond, I'm going to ignoring or commenting a lot less here as I can, as right now I'm trying to focus all my efforts on this video I'm making. With this video, my thoughts will be a lot more clearly laid out. Don't expect the visuals to be as fantastic as this video here. If you want a visual reference, I got documentaries i've done across my channel.
Three, My passionate interest in Floyd Collins has went back over 4 years time. Started from hearing the 1925 Andrew Jenkins song in Sept 2018, and since I've studied deeply into this. If you look through my channel, I've uploaded several of the original 78rpm records of this song, with varying descriptions talking about the tragedy pulling from my research. Plus look at other Floyd Collins videos on YT, and you may see me in there, and discussing him with others who have looked into it even deeper than ME too sometimes.
I care about the truth being put out, with proper context, and not furthering the disrespect and misrepresentation this man and his family has faced from people of influence not caring enough for nearly 100 years now.
It would be funny if they played this video there though.
0 likes@C Porter Honestly the fact that you're going around to everyone praising this video peddling this stuff about inaccuracies while not elaborating but instead insisting that you're gonna put out this awesome response video seems like you're just trying too hard to get attention for your own channel. Which is ironic considering the recurring theme in this vid about terrible people taking advantage of a bad situation to benefit themselves.
12 likes@C Porter Chill pard'ner, I think you've just got a mighty strong urge to explore Collin's cave and are having trouble expressing your jealously towards IH's popularity and being the one to bring attention to dear Ol' Collin's drippy wet cave holes that're so tight, they'd strangle a worm to death. Eyup.
0 likes@C Porter Cry more, Karen.
0 likes@C Porter Dude, you're too much. Do you realize that your emotional reaction is rather strange and dismissable from an outsider perspective? I think you should make the Floyd Collins video, it's something you clearly care about. However you should very well expect an Internet Historian video to have tongue-in-cheek embellishments and dramatizations, as you claim to be a veteran viewer of his content.
0 likes@hecks soda I'm not too much just because I seem to be the only one who cares enough to actually hold him to the same standards as literally everyone else on this platform is held to. If you're gonna make a video about something and have a ton of shit wrong in it, then by default you should be expecting backlash from viewers on whatever scale. Just so happens that I'm the guy who has to call him out on his shit because no one else will, and is fine with just mindlessly believing everything said. His own source he lists the one time even contradicts what he says in the video, that's how low effort of research he put into it.
0 likes@dzthfbn cbvm So you're saying he's somehow less important because he "willingly crawled into a cave" then? Would it be the same for an astronaut who launches himself into space to die on re-entry or a mountaineer who falls to his death while climbing Everest then? Their lives don't matter because it's not some giganitc event that turned the tides of human history in the last 100 years? Of course, because if it takes risks to do something, it's that person's fault they die no matter what happens then, that's what you're saying. Pretty shitty to think that it's automatically lesser then and undeserving of the same respect and research put in just because the circumstances of how someone met their fate is different. Why don't we just then throw out all the research books and documentaries into Floyds' death then and say that "God held him in that cave because he wouldn't repent and give himself to god" like his fucking father Lee thought.
0 likesAnd for fucks sake, this is barely 50% accurate. If this video was even 80% correct, I wouldn't be making all this noise about it.
ok
0 likes@C Porter...Reread the warning at the beginning of the video..
0 likesJournalistic and Satire in nature... No shit I could tell he wasn't treating it as serious as a documentary! He's made sure to completely change faces and such to make sure we aren't even laughing at them, I could recognize near all the YouTube playing their parts. It's kinda like reacting a play, you can call it fucked buttt it's not too much of an argument on that end
@C Porter i'll be real with you my guy. your time and effort would go to far better use if you used the algorithmic relevance of Floyd's story rn and made a real, true and honest documentary-esque take on the tale. doesn't need cool moving pictures etc, few people come to video essays for visuals in the first place. i would 100% watch that video be it 10 minutes or 10 hours. but i can guarantee you i will not watch the response video. you are barking up the wrong tree by trying to insist this video was meant as a true and honest documentary. this isn't the megalodon or mermaids 'documentary' where IH insists it's true and brings in some actors pretending to be historians to echo his claims. this is a haha funny video that brings attention towards a fascinating story and entertains the viewers. you claim the flying bit was in ill taste but from my POV, it was meant to represent further just how ridiculed the poor man was by exaggeration. i thought it was amusing but i didn't laugh, it was sad thinking that THIS is probably what it felt like from the perspective of his family. using the real photos in these skits would be 100000% times more disrespectful so i don't really see where your anger comes from.
0 likesuse the attention this brought to the story and who knows, if your account is as true as you say, it might get boosted by other historians that aren't comedians. you could be up there with other well received video essays. though the stories that are heard don't tend to start with "i am going to act superior to a funny man"
@C Porter Your example of IH doing little to no research is a small detail of the caves name and who owned the land. Could you list anything else?
0 likes@Iron Pizza How the fuck is it a small detail? Crystal cave is an entirely different fucking Cave Sytem that's so much larger than Sand Cave ever could be, and has a legacy that directly helps Mammoth Cave's existence. It literally changes his entire motive for going into Sand Cave in the first place, which IH purposefully ignores since he specifically wrote Crystal Cave, a extremely large part of the Mammoth Cave reigon already. It's not obscure either, it's incredibly well known, which even more shows how he deliberately reconstructed the story with the intent to create a fake account of the Floyd Collins Tragedy. I'm making a video right now about all the major stuff he left out. WAY to many to list here. So you'll have to see it in the video. Idgaf if it gets 6 views or 600 either like people are trying to make me out to be.
0 likes@C Porter I got your statement wrong and misunderstood it. The way you explain things in these comments is not too easy to follow. More sentence stops, more breaks in text, and less unnecessary details.
0 likesAnyways sure he left it out but is that really misinformation? It absolutely could have been included in the video, but I don't think he had any ill intent in doing so. I hope your video turns out well. I'll be checkin it out when it releases.
@Iron Pizza It's absolutely misinformation when he purposely builds a new story around it, puts all the time and effort into it knowing it's not correct. Besides, that's only the first of by my estimation, around 15-20 things of this scale or bigger he gets entirely false.
0 likesThe story he's telling is equivalent to Titanic but replace the iceberg with a U-Boat, and the break up as sinking solid. Major things that affect everything else around it. Plus it makes for a less impactful telling all around.
Scary interesting did this months ago. This is done well as well.
0 likesApparently Floyd was played by Matt Berry.
1 likeIf only there were some WW1 tunnelers there to help
0 likesprolly the best vid from internet historian so far
0 likesI'm late, but god damn was this entertaining. Bravo.
0 likesI'm from Kentucky and did not expect the first 5 words of this video to be "In the State of Kentucky"
0 likesthis is just anti asmr for someone with claustrophobia
1 likeInternet Historian found about this cave story through random YouTube recommendations like me.
0 likesHe's just... Historian now. Amazing retelling of events.
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A historian on the internet, so the name still checks out.
37 likes🎉😢😢😢😢.
0 likesNews paper was the internet of its time so it counts
0 likesThe people claiming the reality of Floyd being trapped was a conspiracy theory because the basic facts were too scary for them to contemplate is essentially a parable about the internet.
0 likesWow Floyd sure looks a lot like Wendigoon
0 likesHas anyone else noticed Thomas Shelby is an npc in this? Great Easter egg!!!
0 likesJesus Christ, every second for the first 59 minutes got me on edge, the anxiety....
0 likesThis is such a good video!
0 likesyou'd think the animation and cut out characters would take away from the tenseness of this whole ordeal but internet historian manages to tell a great story using them
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The humor doesn't take away either.
23 likesHe did the same thing when he was talking about Stede Bonnet
1 likeI always use to bypass this video seeking it was too long for my attention.
0 likesToday it was the day and boy this was an amazing 1 hour session.
49:32 the marines rescue team. Guy on the right could have made it worse imo.
0 likesHonestly what a goofball. Why didn't he start opening it at the entrance of the cave? Did he think the tourists we're gonna crawl through the squeeze?
0 likesWait did some of the original vid get cut? I could have sworn he did more with the "it's been 100 years, let's call it even" instead of just two people. Thought there was at least 1 other he did that to.
0 likesThis story encompasses the most noble efforts of humanity, as well as its most depraved inclinations. It’s truly incredible that even knowing from the start that he wasn’t going to make it, the way you told the story still gave me hope right up until the end. Kudos
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Many kudos you might say
0 likesThis thing is the most American thing ever. From banding together to help a man in dire need against all odds to digging up that same man's corpse and putting it on display for some money.
0 likesjesus, I knew people were a little fucked in the head back then but starting a carnival over a literal trapped and dying man is so horrible
0 likesthis is viscerally terrifying
0 likesLegendary vid. Medal of Honor music was a nice touch 👌👌
0 likesIt is actually scary to imagine the cave as this living existential being that refuses to let Flyodd leave the cave, dead or alive.
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I'm not normally a superstitious person and even i gotta say that cave's gotta be the most haunted thing i've ever heard
88 likesThanks for my next Dungeons and Dragons plot.
24 likesWendigoon made a video summarizing a story about a living cave system. It called The Mystery Flesh Pit and it is as terrifying as it sounds
12 likes@Caleb Ottoson The Mystery Flesh Pit in Texas? Best vacation I ever had! Worth every penny, and the memories will last a lifetime. Make sure to bring your kids when you go, they'll never forget it.
4 likes@Tundra Sounds like someone visited The Mystery Flesh Pit's baths! I don't suggest bringing your kids to that part of the park.
2 likesWhat's scarier is Vlad's 216 bone requirement for skills
2 likesSCP 😳
0 likes@domenica I see you are a fellow slave to "Fate" as we all are.
2 likesFloyd: breaks rock
4 likesCave: "And I took that personally."
Like an SCP
0 likesHow about we nuke the cave?
0 likesnot to mention the 2 dudes that threw his body and the leg that was trapped under the rock, the one Floyd didnt wanna cut off being cut off, and his body still being put back inside the cave but with chains now
0 likes@Caleb Ottoson it was a good video but sadly it’s a fake thing. Imagine if that did exist though
0 likesWhat does existential mean
0 likesCurse you sand cave why must you torment Floyd so much!
0 likesWas this even real or just another matrix story where no real soul was harmed?
0 likesWow. It reminds me of weird animated documentaries of the 69s and 70s by the National Film Board of Canada.
0 likesWhen IH said "He's dead." I audibly gasped and hunched over. I was so invested in this story and I had such hope that he'd make it out. I couldn't imagine being the Miners or the family of Floyd, going through all the hardship and effort put into his rescue, just to find out they'd barely missed him. May God cherish his soul.
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And then you spoil it for EVERYONE else.
34 likes@Diogenes' Lantern This is literally a CENTURY-OLD HISTORICAL EVENT.
180 likes@Diogenes' Lantern This isn't Avengers Endgame bruh this was a real event that happened over a century ago lmao I didn't "spoil" anything
100 likes@Diogenes' Lantern At this point, going to the comments prior to watching the video is consent to be spoiled.
118 likes@Diogenes' Lantern What did you expect to find when you read the comments to the video before watching the video exactly? Like this isn't some video about the first episode of Breaking Bad with a comment that spoil the last episode here, this is a comment about the information we find out in this very video! That's not a spoiler, that's just what commenting is!
50 likes@Diogenes' Lantern They hated Diogenes because he told the truth.
12 likesThis is a historical event. But it is obscure, and for 99% of viewers is new. And is considered entertainment by them.
Okay you dont have to mass reply to the dude. Jesus! I kind of get it personally, I told myself not to read comments bcause i didnt know the ending and it was compelling. Just because its a historical event and old doesnt mean everyone knows it.
8 likesbro it took them how longagain? over 100 hours to reach him? i knew he was dead by then. imagine how long he was without water and food
4 likesi was like 90% sure he was dead
and you can hadrly say they BARELY missed him, 3 days is a long fucking time
Well, he had been without food/water for >5 days. I gasped too, but rationally it's obvious that he was going to be dead.
7 likes@The Boshy The comments are a place to discuss the video, don't go into them without watching the video if you don't want to be spoiled. Like come on guys lol.
12 likesYeah dude, it got to me.
4 likesI almost cried.
Honestly with everything going on, I thought he wasn’t dead and just passed out or something and was gonna pop up like “I LIVED BITCH!”
5 likes@Diogenes' Lantern I'm going to spoil your derriere cherriere Ricahrd Simmons style.
0 likes@Stormborn Apostle Did Floyd piss his pants while trapped down there?
0 likes@Diogenes' Lantern And you scrolled into the comment section, where people comment about the video
1 like@MK Ultra I can only assume so.
1 likeThe smell has to of been...
Thick.
4:15 Do you mean 15 kilograms or 150 kilograms? Because 15 kilograms is around 30 lbs and 150 kilograms is around 330 lbs.
0 likesif you guys liked this video you might love the classic movie ace in the hole which was directed by Billy Wilder
0 likescheck it out
"we're sending our love down the well!!!"
0 likesWhere's Steve when you need him
0 likesThat picture of the diggers grieving was heartbreaking.
992 likesYou tried, guys, you did what you could.
Amazing video.
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Omg spoiler :/
5 likesMy happiness is ruined
@Freya always read the comments AFTER the video
38 likes@Bruce Willis your not my mom :(
5 likes@Freya He may not be your mom but if Bruce Willis gives you advice, you better take it.
9 likes@Zac I’m pretty tough don’t under estimate me!
2 likesI’ve kicked 2 Furrys asses so far in a fight!
@Freya He's nott your mom but it's a common sense
4 likes@Freya
1 likeAny one can beat 2 furries in a fight, mate. Just spray water on them. lol
I’m from Chautauqua and listening to you pronounce it was painful hahaha great video
0 likesEven the freaking Peaky Blinders were there lol
1 likeMiller is the embodiment of Chad journalism.
1 likeWait a minute! This isnt internet history. Its just regular old normal history!
0 likesI feel so bad for the brother. Did everything he could, pushed himself beyond his limits and still couldn't save him
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Note to self: Do not look into the comments before watching the entire video.
91 likesHomer sounds like he was a really good brother who genuinely cared. To learn that people repeatedly screwed him and floyd over is heartbreaking.
94 likesIt's really upsetting that they tried SO fucking hard to help him and ultimately, just couldn't.
67 likesThe way he was treated after passing is absolutely disgusting too, at the point where it's noted he wore out 4 caskets I literally shouted "just bury him!".
@Venkteshprasad Maya Rao
18 likesLOL sorry. Actually I commented before I finished the video. I watched a documentary about this guy years ago and think about him every time I'm near a cave
I hope Floyd's enjoying his resting place, exploring the caves of heaven, hopefully not stuck like a step sister in a washing machine this time
10 likes@BDSM gaming This is one of the most evocative comments I've ever read.
6 likesI wish i had seen this comment before spending time with a video that was only going to make me feel horrible
2 likesDue credit to Gerald too, guy clearly knew his shit but nobody would listen to him, tried damn hard too
16 likes@Venkteshprasad Maya Rao That should just be common knowledge.
1 likeWanna not spoil it Jesus
0 likesHolyshit, now I just learnt that i have some degree of claustrophobic
1 likeWhat a putz. I'll tell you Dunning And Kruger really planned this guys life out for him!
0 likes"For instance... here's a subway sub." - 12 inches.
0 likesSTOP
Love how there’s characters from peaky blinders
0 likesThis is one of the scariest ways to die. The way you described the events as they unfolded really accentuated the hopeless despair of Floyd's situation.
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yes
2 likesit's some bleak, "i have no mouth and i must scream" shit
12 likesI think the Jacob Geller video "fear of depths' is also about this case and fuck, I've never been more scared in my life than watching that video. It's incredible, I can highly recommend it.
6 likes@Józef Lucifuge Korzeniowski ooof I remember hearing about that novel from Jacob Geller and I am scared of even attempting reading that. It's quite literally an incomprehensibly unbearable position that, by the way it was presented, you would HAVE to bear. Ugh, makes me shiver in disgust.
1 likeNutty putty cave guy was stuck upside down. What a silly goose.
0 likes...until hour 411 it would have made a decent movie featuring a young Tom Hanks
0 likes14:00 why didn't the peaky blinders help floyd?
0 likesI just watched this like two weeks ago. YouTube recommended it again so.... again we watch.
0 likesOk, we’ve got music from the original The Sims game at 1:08:00 and the theme song to Medal of Honor: Allied Assault at 1:04:08 . Someone on the editing staff is a connoisseur of early 2000s video games.
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0 likesThis was a genie wish. "I wish my cave is so popular people set up a literal carnival and everyone comes to visit."
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No, it was a monkey’s paw wish.
19 likesA real the Monkey's Paw curls predicament.
104 likesYeah that was morbidly ironic
41 likesMore like a monkey's paw
1 likei kept thinking the same thing every time IH mentioned that more and more people came to town. i was really hoping he would get out alive and be like "hey i guess got my wish yuk yuk yuk" but instead im sad now
19 likesKept thinking about that throughout the story.
5 likesTank you for putting in such time n effort
0 likesIVE BEEN TO MAMMOTH CAVE I WONDERED WHY THAT CAVE SEEMED FAMILIAR
0 likesAt the end they got to him in a week? Wtff😭😭
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0 likesJust ended the video, shit got me shaking rn no joking great history
0 likesThe story of Floyd's attempted rescue and the cruel treatment of his body shows both the best and worst instincts of mankind
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Sorry but risking lives to rescue a body is not worst instinct of humanity...
7 likes@Jan Smyčka the shitbag dentist displaying his corpse for cash is the worst instinct he’s talking about.
0 likes@Jan Smyčka he means saving the body, and then putting it on display as a tourist attraction.
128 likes@Jan Smyčka At that point no one was risking their lives.
10 likes@Jan Smyčka Work on your comprehension
27 likes@Jan Smyčka putting his body on display, in the same fucking cave he died in, is cruel.
3 likes@GoTi4No 😅, might have been commenting too fast. Haven't finished the video 🙈
1 likeThis video was a rollercoaster of "Aww, good people" and "OH MY FUCKING GOD I HATE PEOPLE"
21 likes@Morticia Fattyms Mostly people were saving him for competition and self worth, the only genuinely good ones were his brother, friend and the writer the firefighter was a piece of shit who was just saving him as fast as possible to be praised as a hero
5 likes@Jan Smyčka you forgot the part where they showed off a mangled corpse of a man who died brutally over the course of weeks
1 like@Jan Smyčka no worries haha it gets worse
0 likes@ImmenseWraith I didn't forget. I was just reading the comments while watching and the sentiment in the video was that they weren't necessarily happy to just leave him there - risking lives to bury him(nice but not worth it), I couldn't even imagine what freaking americans could come up with.
1 likeCmon! Don’t spoil it
1 likeRathers shows how people are money hungry in USA even since then
0 likes@KoiranKarva You spoiled it yourself going to the comments
0 likesthey way the rescuer make themself to be so heroic i think they might be some cap involevd
0 likesI like how most of the crowd is just Peaky Blinders PNG
1 likeGotta ask, 29:07
0 likesIs that a silhouette of Joe Biden falling up the stairs cleverly snuck in?
24:20 Cool! He's using music from Outer Wilds!.....................................................oh no, he's using music from Outer Wilds 💀
0 likesI think what ended up finally killing Floyd was that the light bulb burnt out. The heat from it no longer kept his vitals warm, he was without food so his body couldn't do it, and he was wet so he was losing heat plentifully. Most importantly, I think he gave up at that point. I think after the light went out, he decided they must have given up on him and that there was no hope for him, so he gave up on life. The indomitability of the human spirit rests on our will to live.
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Well, yeah. Obviously it was the light bulb that went out which killed him. He literally says in the video that he died around the same time the light bulb went out.
31 likes@Orange Juice I think you’re leaving a reply because you had a thought. The neurones in your brain fired and produced a thought, and you finally ended up parsing that thought into motor activation, most importantly I think it was in your fingers, so you could type the thought into a YouTube comment and hit send. The inexorability of human publication rests on our faculty of opinion.
191 likes@Skarloey Thomas what
7 likes@Orange Juice it means you didnt read and just type type
95 likesAgreed
0 likesHe didn't have anything to drink for how many days? (I can't recall now) one can live a month without food but a handful of days without water
8 likes@Skarloey Thomas I cerebrate you’re leaving a replication because you had a noetic conception. The neurones in your encephalon fired and engendered a phrenic conception, and you determinately ended up parsing that thought into motor activation, most importantly I cerebrate it was in your fingers, so you could inscribe the phrenic conception into a comment and hit send. The inexorability of human publication reposes on our faculty of opinion.
8 likes@Skarloey Thomas Well, yeah, obviously...
2 likes@Skarloey Thomas This is the funniest YouTube comment I've ever read
5 likes@Skarloey Thomas hahaha
3 likes@IcyMix ayup
0 likesBro he was without water and food for at least 12 days, I think that probably did him in
4 likes@IcyMix god dam, you didn't have to do him like that 🤣
1 likeGiven he was in a cave filling with water, I'm gonna say he probably didn't die from lack of water.
3 likes@Jakub K. Precisely.
2 likesI think he was murdered.
1 likeif you lived during that era you would've been one of the bystanders offering completely obvious and pointless solutions without actually doing anything
0 likes@Maxim Pikalev that's way better than being the ass that got stuck in a cave.
0 likesJust remember, that this is a YouTube creator produced/created video, and you are most likely watching this for the 7th/8th time.
0 likesCannot wait for the video about Elons purchase of Twitter 5 years down the line
1 likeAll I see is a sad tale of how few few people actually Do things. And so many more just.....breathe.
0 likesIt really does represent Humanity in a microcosm. Or at a more generous assessment...an aspect of it.
I know i'm throwing a stone to the ocean, but would you pay some money to me so I would make spanish subtitles for this? This is a masterpiece
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0 likesMiller was amazing. He risked his life for a complete stranger. So were homer and gerald. True heroes.
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Miller had no experience with cave dwelling I assume, just unbelievable bravery and moral fortitude to throw yourself into so something dangerous that you know nothing about to save someone you don’t even know. A testament to human capacity for kindness and self sacrifice
72 likesAmbition is often confused for heroism. Practically everyone in the story is desperately seeking shekels.
0 likesYeah no kidding, as someone who comes from a large family, the way Homer immediately went down to help his brother no questions asked hit me hard
8 likesThat trio are the best ones in this story, absolute Chads
6 likesRaise a glass to Homer, seriously, what a fucking stand up guy he was all around
2 likesBig respect for them.
3 likesBut i got so mad at the people who are just sitting outside. Being no help and actually making it worse.
I hate it so much when something bad happens today and the first thing peopledo. is to get their phone out to film it. Yes things should be recorded. so it may not be forgotten but when everyone do it. then be useless and do it for the cloud. It's makes me so mad.
Floyd's bro: Floyd!
0 likesFloyd: Sup?
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Cracks me up that it's the Peaky Blinders in the crowd in the background 😂😂
0 likesWhat happened to the cavern he was trying to open up?
0 likesOh shit, I'm not even 5 min in and my watch thinks I'm running a marathon. I might have a slight issue with tight spaces.
0 likesI always come to Internet Historian to feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable
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Hey it's the Act Man, hello
58 likesholy
15 likestrue
6 likesThose videos replying to the false copyright claims and drama with quantum were hilarious- I appreciate your channel and hope all is well!
28 likesIve always loved the IH for my bi-yearly scoop of uncomforting and downright disturbing Information condensed into 1 hour segments
10 likessup acting male
4 likesFancy seeing you here
3 likesoh damn its the acting male man, how you doing?
3 likescome😳
2 likesI also come to this
2 likeshello acting male
3 likesThe Act Chad himself!
3 likesAct Man, how the hell are you in here!?
1 likeHello
1 likeI had to tell myself to stop relating to Floyd because god is that some grade a claustrophobia.
4 likesi feel like that while im on the can
1 likeGuten tag acting male
2 likesmight i recommend jacob geller
2 likesThe cave man
1 likeHey guys, Act Cave here
2 likesCollaboration with Internet Historian or guest appearance on In The Field when?
2 likesWitcher 3 review when?
1 likeWASSUP ACT MAN :D
1 likeIndeed
1 likeinternet historian’s ‘Hide the Pain Harold’ 10 year old meme facade always makes me want to giggle. I love ❤️ you internet historian. you are the voice of my generation
1 likeYoooooo act man in the wild let’s goooo.
1 likethats the feeling lol
1 likeGood to see you Acting Male
1 likeHello there acting male
1 likeIt's the same with the people that he dates.
1 likeI absolutely hate caves.
2 likesMost people have to do it the old fashioned way when their creepy uncle babysits
2 likesBest Part @1:05:14
0 likesThanks for telling this story.
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0 likeswhat an awful end to such sad story
0 likesthis is nightmare fuel for people with clustrophobia
0 likesAs horrible as Floyd's fate was, at least he technically accomplished his dream of turning Sand Cave into a major tourist attraction, albeit in the worst way possible.
772 likesProbably one of the most effed up "be careful what you wish for" moments in history.
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The Monkey Paw curls.
66 likesFloyd's Lost Leg goes on to become a new horrible variety of Monkey's Paw.
0 likesWhat's the status of that inner crystalline cavern now?
14 likesI like this comment but want to leave your like count at 420
2 likes"Task failed successfully."
3 likesI mean, the cave had fucking TEETH! I really don't know how else he thought it was going to end.
1 likeI am sad to say I have just been informed that the number has changed from 420 to a less cool number. I hope we can cometogether as a community and fix this.
3 likesthx
Fate has a funny way of doing things
1 likeExcept it wasn't funny in this case... it was morbid.
@DJdoodoo 1420?
0 likes@pyrobeav2005 Yeah, considering the "turnaround" point, he would've needed to make that cave WAY wider and way more stable before people would consider going in.
0 likesMan, i went to hell and back on that one 😅
0 likesWait, wait. Hold on. The guy is dehydrated, and they give him coffee? Wouldn't that just dehydrate him further?
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I doubt the coffee they were getting him was anything like the stuff we drink today.
0 likes20:23 the creeper was a nice touch
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0 likes2nd time watching this. Just noticed the crowd is just the peaky blinders... lmao
0 likesWilliam Miller is such a chad. Actual good journalist, brave enough to plumb the depths and responsible for bringing so much interest and so many resources to this situation!
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Shame current day journalists are more worried of filling their pockets than doing good for the people.
86 likesthe interest is also what caused the cave in though
43 likes@N3cr0 X3n0bi4
28 likesJournalists today:
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Miller & Homer were chads but Gerald was definitely the chaddiest
16 likes@Kade Bah they were all such idek if I would do what they did but I definitely wanted everything to be done during this story and the end was so disappointing
1 like@N3cr0 X3n0bi4 There’s always been journalists like that. Even in this story, people were publishing rumors about the whole thing being fakes without any real evidence to back it up. Just goes to show that clout chasing has been a thing for centuries.
26 likesAll the good journalists have been assassinated by the Clintons by now.
0 likesI think people back then were just too bored.
0 likes@N3cr0 X3n0bi4 I mean I'm sure William was motivated by filling his pockets too, until he arrived and was moved by the direness of Floyds situation
2 likesGerold though, Half a ton of rock in one session!
2 likes@N3cr0 X3n0bi4 Well, journalist have always been like that. That's why he was exceptional and outstanding! No other reporters of his time were willing to brave the tunnels.
2 likes@Ikashio No it wasn't. It was because hundreds of people were at the cave.
0 likes@Woosh Bait and why do you thing hundreds of people were at the cave? the interest.
0 likes@Ikashio It wasn't necessarily the interest that collapsed the cave. It was because people were being incompetent. They were told to stay out of the cave because running around in it could make it collapse. And once again no, Miller did not bring interest to the cave. This was quite literally covered by multiple journalist before Miller came and already had crowds forming.
1 like@Woosh Bait But if there was no interest, those people wouldn't be there. They wouldn't be there to not follow rules.
0 likes@Ikashio Oh god. Yes, there is interest, but ultimately what happened in the end was people being incompetent and stepping into the cave that caused it.
0 likes@Woosh Bait but if there was no interest there would be no incompetent people to do that
0 likesWhy do I feel like this would make for a good Coen brothers movie
0 likesThis is my favorite video of all time.
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0 likesProof that the twitter mindset has existed since long before the development of internet.
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0 likesHalfway through I was ready to let the cave keep Floyd.
1 likeSometimes when humans get too brave, when they underestimate nature, when they forget to fear and respect her, She reminds us of her power.
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Nature is not to be respected, nature is to be used and controlled, we almost rule this planet, and soon the solar-system and after that will take the galaxy by storm.
0 likes@ᛟᚲᚠᚹ × ᛗᚨᚷᚦᛁ Nature IS something to be respected, since she can kill you very quickly. And if you destroy nature, she will take her with you.
0 likes@Roast Goose Is that so.
0 likesMiller is a real g
595 likesImagine going all that way thinking you're just going to interview a couple people, then going caving for the first time in your life, in a cave where someone was dying. And then going back again and again and again
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From covering the story to becoming part of the story.
62 likesDozens of grizzled farm men chickened out of that cave after seeing the squeeze, meanwhile this one determined city boy comes in and pushes through despite being totally inexperienced and scared shitless, simply because he feels so ashamed to turn back, knowing someone is on the other side.
76 likes@Timeward Bizarre inversion, isn't it? Course, it could just as easily have gone that he got himself jammed in the Squeeze, further delaying rescue attempts, maybe causing Floyd to die earlier and maybe getting himself killed in the process, and everyone would be raging at the dumb-ass city boy who thought he could be a hero. But, I'm glad that didn't happen and he was one of the few people initially on the scene with the balls to do the right thing.
21 likesJust goes to show the line between bravery and stupidity is razor thin.
@Timeward tbh, thats probably the reason he went in. He probably didnt know any better,
0 likesDear Historian, please do Donner Party. Only you can do that subject justice. Love.
1 likeI now understand the fear of claustrophobia
0 likesthey better add this place into project zomboid.
1 likeGreat job on that one.
0 likesDespite knowing how Floyd's story ends, I still had SO MUCH hope that he'd make it out alive, gotta love the storytelling for these videos.
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Spoiler alert
8 likesFuck. Guess that'll teach me for reading some comments while the ads running.
33 likes@Kyle Bergman actually what did you expect going into the comments.
8 likesI had no idea, thankfully I finished video before reading comments. I'm so depressed now, wanted my boi to make it ;_;
2 likesCould this finally be THE "Sex Pistols at St. Martin's College of Art Show" moment for Youtube? The world waits...breathlessly...for the answer... X D
0 likesThe best so far in my opinion
1 likeim confused why no one brought a shovel
0 likesIt wouldn't have happened if Subway made bigger sandwitches
0 likesdamn Miller must have been an actual champ to be able to get all the way down there despite his lack of any experience with caves, like damn man was determined
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His brother too
13 likes** in classic 20's gangster** "ehh ya see, I'm gonna get that scoop darnit! if it's the last thing I do, see"
29 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likesAlso helped that he was a 5 foot hobbit
3 likes@The Ban Man Being a 5 foot hobbit has its perks! - me being a 5 foot hobbit with perks
3 likesI’m extremely angry that he’s dead
0 likesCrap, there is a third channel? Tomorrow I'm going to have to tell my boss I spent all night watching youtube again :(
0 likesthis is the most stressfull video i have ever watched on youtube
1 likeBest part was that I was playing World of Tanks while watching and then the advertisement came up
0 likesThis is, unironically, one of the most terrifying videos I ever saw. Just imaging being in that situation just makes my skin crawl and gives me the shivers. Thanks IH, Wendigoon, and the rest
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Eh, the nice thing is this doesn't happen to anyone on accident. It takes putting yourself into this kind of situation. That guy who was just driving around with his wife and a piece of metal came off the semi truck in front and decapitated his wife with their kids in the back seat is far more terrifying that it really happens to people.
3 likesThe nutty putty cave incident was way worse. Guy was upside down. In a smaller hole.
2 likes"just shoot me"
1 likeI'm only 2 minutes in and dying with anxiety
0 likesThis video is listed as a source on Floyd Collins wikipedia article
1 likeReally good video.
0 likesReally sad story.
That The Sims song at the ended the video perfectly!
0 likesThat first line “… demands a sacrifice” sets such an ominous tone. So well done, what a story
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For a bit there I thought this might have been the cave from Night in The Woods
5 likesWendi-Floyd for the win
0 likesHow did floyd go to the restroom?
0 likesYou said this man ate like 8 sausage sandwiches.
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Think he gave a shit? After a few days im sure he did.
0 likesI would love a killdozer episode by internet historian
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0 likesI WAS SO SAD 😭 WHEN FLOID DIED ☠️!
1 likeHaving never heard of this before, I genuinely had a lot of hope that he would be rescued, and now I just feel so empty inside. The determination with which his brother, his friend and that incredible reporter pressed on is so admirable, but knowing now how it all ended, it's just so heartbreaking.
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Man i feel the exact same. Such a tragedy
17 likesi felt the same but its kind of an optimistic story that they never stopped fighting and trying to do the right thing despite all odds, and finally removed him from the cave.
36 likesUnfortunately that is life, some of the most heroic acts in history result in failure. That does not make them any less heroic.
28 likesThat bastard that displayed him back in the fucking cave...just fucking evil
0 likesthanks for the spoiler man, preciate it
1 likeWhat? A man lived in 1925 is dead?
4 likesEverything dies. No spoilers here.
@Şakir Abdullayev Next time don't read the comments before finishing the video?
4 likes@GoklasM are you being obnoxious on purpose or
0 likesYes everyone dies, but the story is how this one man died in a cave after hours of trying to get him out. That's not the same thing as any random person dying lmao
I’ve never heard of this but all the other stories I’ve heard of people getting stuck in caves end the same way sadly. Nutty putty is an insanely horrific story
1 like@TheHopelessGamerz it does make them less talked about sadly though. This was a huge story at the time but no one knows about anything about it cause it just has a very sad ending. Heroism is only really celebrated if there’s a result unfortunately
1 likewhelp - guess i don't have to watch the video now....
0 likes@C. Beau Barnett aw heck, sorry 😓
0 likes@Şakir Abdullayev why would you read the comments
0 likesThis was better than any Marvel movie in the past few years... Bravo isn't enough to describe such wonderful work.
4 likesVideo : talks about a man trapped in a cave with pure horror and dread
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Why didn’t they drill a gear in the wall facing the entrance for a more clean pull combined with someone crowbarring the boulder holding his foot in place with a much longer crowbar?
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0 likesi watched this entire vid on acid and now im freaking out
0 likesThere were like 8 different points where I was like "well certainly this story has to be almost over" only to realize there was like 35 minutes left in the video. What a crazy story.
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0 likes@Coffeeisnecessarynow who asked
11 likes@Coffeeisnecessarynow Damn, sorry for your loss
1 likeMy god this is so frightening and claustrophobic
0 likesThis story should've been called "American Capitalism: The Movie".
1 likeWait what, rusty cage? 😂
0 likesLook up the song Ghost of Floyd Collins by Black Stone Cherry 🍒 the whole album is about Kentucky folklore and superstition.
0 likesI would have paid 15 bucks to see this in the theater.
565 likesYou are a true artist.
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8 likes2 minutes in my anxiety is at a 10
0 likesWhy did I watch this a second time when it upset me so bad the first time....
1 likeInto the stars beyond! And into a bush!
0 likesSo, uh... is his foot still under that rock?
0 likesThis story displays the entirety of the human condition in one linear plot. It's actually wild if you think about it.
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I wonder if the Grinner condition is different in any way
6 likesDon't look up Nutty Putty Cave
5 likesThis all could be avoided by playing World of Tanks.
0 likesWhen you dig straight up in Minecraft
0 likesMy greatest mistake was watching this a night
0 likesI'm only 4:40 in and this shit is intense
0 likesI got wedged in a cave once. I was stuck for ten minutes and I was with people and it’s the most scared I’ve ever been. Can’t imagine being stuck this long without company
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and the fact that his friend had helped him out of a tough spot in a cave previously? like i can't imagine ever wanting to go in a cave again if i got stuck for even a minute
56 likes* and light
4 likesMy clostrophobia would literally send me into shock as that would kill me in less than 5 minutes. Tbh I was pretty stressed watching this and I feel pretty bad that Floyd had to endure everything just to die in the end.
18 likes@The Water Warrior Collins is the one who's trapped
0 likesI got stuck in one of those wooden box spelunking things at the mammoth cave park… most scared I have ever been in
0 likes@blueberry seriously, this is my whole philosophy on white water rafting. The day I go in the water is probably gonna be the last time I go. Happened to my mom and she hasn't been since lol.
1 like@Micchi it's Floyd who's trapped bruh
1 like@brad Nah son, it's Collins.
0 likes@Micchi his name was also Floyd as mentioned several times in the video and on his grave
0 likesI wasn't even in any danger and being a in a publicly available "safe" cave only 30 feet in was too much. How some people can cave dive and the like is beyond me
1 likeIn the pitch black darkness, no less.
1 like@Micchi his name is Floyd Collins lmao. Are you being serious?
4 likesAHh Flouyed fancy seeing you here buddy 😂
0 likesoh god, i'm 4 minutes in and this is already horrifying
0 likesI think an episode on the Net Neutrality Reddit protests would be good stuff.
0 likesif there is a hell. all the people that went to gawk at Floyd's body went there when they died and good riddance. there is no way to spin it to agree with moral decency. not to mention everyone complicit in the spectacle. but they were such bastards that they were probably condemned to eternal hellfire long before this action.
0 likesMany times over the years, my Grandma has told me the story of the time her dad and a few other men were trapped in the local coal mine, and how at one point, a hole had been dug through to the trapped miners, only to collapse before any of them could get through. I love the idea of abandoned mines, long-slumbering caverns, forgotten bunkers, and never-before-seen caves, but YOU AIN'T GONNA FIND ME IN ANY OF THEM!
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I see what you did there though 6:00
1 likeThis whole thing gives me panic attacks. I'll never get through the whole video
1 likeyeah am I firmly an above ground and above water type of person! period, nuclear fallout be damned!
0 likes@Dru Nature Okay, Nuclear Fallout might be enough for me to head underground a little bit...
0 likeswendigoon looks so goofy
0 likesThe squeeze picture triggered my claustrophobia so hard
0 likesWhat's the song/music that plays at 45:40? I feel like I've heard it in a videogame.
0 likesBeen in one of those caves lol
0 likesSomething horrible that I think was not mentioned, maybe on purpose, was that Floyd was being fed consistently coffee and sandwiches. However, he was pinned flat for two weeks in gravel. So that means for two weeks he was relieving himself in to his own pants.
829 likesNow that’s absolutely terrible. Not only was he stuck in cold darkness, every upwind breeze would bring the stench of his own accumulating defecations. Cold, fatigued, with painful bed soars beyond imagination, topped off by having to smell your own waste. Every single sense he had (touch, smell, taste, temperature, sight) was torture. And if you don’t think taste was affected, trying smelling waste for 14 days straight, it will eventually make it to your mouth.
May God rest Floyd’s soul to peace. Even in Heaven I hope the memory experience of his own death was erased from his ethereal mind.
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That’s true, not to mention the infections he must’ve gotten as well
76 likesI was also wondering about dehydration. Some coffee will do good but did he have enough water to even out the dehydrating effect?
55 likesOh my Lord I didn't even think about that aspect 2 weeks of that plus the water that was accumulating would have mixed and surely caused infections to those bed sores
27 likeseverything you smell is also "touching" your tongue in particles. Everytime you smell sometthing odd it´s also laying there in bits and pieces. Better try not to imagine that. But anyway, you´re welcome. :D
5 likesi was wondering what was being done about his waste, now i regret that
1 likeAll while having false hope. I got nausea thinking about his sufferring. Never gagged from a story before. Im a tough dude but the thought of his sufferring is far too great.
3 likesA furrys wet dream
4 likes@Dylan McShane A reminder that fortune favors the bold, but she does not always answer them.
1 likeWhen you step out on any endeavor, you place yourself at risk. Sometimes the clapjaws of terrible and wretched doom snap shut.
God. May his soul rest in peace.
2 likesMy immediate thought was wondering how many times he urinated and defecated himself
0 likes@Sangral Knight Very poetic
0 likes@Sir Realism 🤮
0 likes@Sangral Knight upvote for using clapjaw
0 likes@Kajura 😅
1 like@Evan poor guy, he probably had a bacterial infection within the last days :/
0 likes"tank care of my falily for me" - even the ads you make are entertaining and fun lmfao
0 likes29:28 I love the RDR 2010 music.
0 likesLove the Elden Ring music.
1 likeHank Snow did a song called Miller's Cave in the 50's. Same cave?
0 likesJust made the connection that he probably died when the lightbulb died because it was the only thing keeping him warm down there. The coroner saying he died from exposure around the time the bulb went out is really sad. It was his lifeline and I imagine his hoped dimmed as the light did. Very sad. Utterly terrifying.
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Way to make it also more sad than it already was. RIP Flloyd.
1 likeJust so you know... this is not a bs comment "oh I say this everywhere" ... no... You're legit the only one I watch and enjoy the production of the ads on your vids :)
0 likesWhy didnt the authorities intervened sooner? Such an extremely sad story.
0 likesI need massive therapy after this viewing experience.
0 likesOh no! Our lantern! It's broken!
0 likesThe story telling here was perfect. My heart actually sank in my chest every time a big setback happened. The second time the squeeze got covered was by far the worst one... That man suffered through hell. If I was him I honestly might have asked someone to bring a pistol and shoot me.
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Bring me enough booze and morphine so I could go out peacefully.
0 likesThe diesel machinery pumping in carbon monoxide might have been the best mercy
23 likesI would've asked for the pistol immediately. This is genuinely one of the worst ways you could die and it's baffling to me that cave diving, especially by yourself, is a real thing.
0 likes@KitoMero No, it would have still been a slow death.
4 likes@Yuutaruu you would pass out and die pretty quickly
0 likesRemember about the dynamite idea?
4 likesThat would have been mercy kill (but very messy).
Same, about the time the cave was collapsing I would have asked for it.
2 likes@Yuutaruu The normally most terrifying, but in this case likely merciful, thing about carbon monoxide in the amount this would've produced is that he would've been unconscious in minutes and dead not long after. A far quicker and less painful death than slowly wasting away in a cold puddle in the pitch dark, unable to move the whole while.
3 likes@Yuutaruu As opposed to.....?
0 likes@Thicc Thicc Thicc As opposed to slowly dying from cold, hunger and thirst. The monoxide will kill him faster in relative terms, but in real time, it takes time to asphyxiate and it's painful. Ergo, the diesel fumes merci kill is not a good solution.
0 likes@ChaosAndBunnies Isn't asphyxiation slow and painful?
0 likes@Yuutaruu You don't quite understand how carbon monoxide poisoning works, and why it's a popular suicide option. It's silent but deadly, and you can have little to no symptoms.
0 likesCarbon monoxide displaces oxygen in your body and you get drowsy within minutes. Then before you know it, you're knocked out so you don't feel any pain, and you just never wake up again.
The fumes aren't really a choking hazard and won't cause any chemical burns either. So your lungs wont be drowning in blood or anything like that.
23:43 I hear Timber Hearth!
0 likesnever get between a cave and its dinner i guess?
0 likesmy father heard me listening to this and told me whether he lived or died before the end i’m so mad
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u father saved u time, u should be thankful.
0 likes@SoyBoyGaming your name checks out perfectly
1 likeRemember in Cost of Concordia that there won't be any more 45min video?
0 likesIt's kinda right tho... the good kind
Miller being so dedicated and risking his own safety going through the squeeze time and time again for a total stranger is the kind of man one wishes they could be.
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Real MVP
10 likesGopd thing he is still being remembered for it. He sure deserves to be.
6 likesTruly
0 likesYeah, that Pulitzer was well deserved
0 likesDang me and Floyd have the same birthday :/ wish he made it out alive
0 likesHow would he survive from the cave in til later with no food? He'd be dead.... something's fishy...
0 likes29:49: My favorite part (yaaaaaaaaaaay)
0 likes35:31 Man Lindbergh gets all the attention
0 likesThis was one of the most tense and saddest stories I have ever heard. What that poor man felt, cold, hungry, scared...gosh. I legit cried when it turned out he was dead. Then the utterly reprehensible way his body was treated...may he rest in peace.
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For what i received i passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the scriptures 1 Corinthians 15 3
3 likes@Konrad • sir, this is a Wendy's.
43 likes@Konrad • Our guy is saying that he cried at this utterly sad story... And from all of THAT book made of MORE books, you throw that quote? I am very sure, even though I can't remember any, that there are more empathetic passages somewhere in there, like, c'mon
5 likesIs Incognito Mode a channel that's supposed be be watched in that mode?
0 likesThat was insanity.
0 likes54:00 it's nice to know Alex Jones had family at the event.
0 likesBro used "Revenge" from Mafia II OST (The music when Tommy is Killed).
0 likesGot me to subscribe.
I think what makes this story even more tragic is that it probably would have been much easier had it not become such a big media event. If all those people hadn't decided to camp outside the cave and set up fires and whatnot, it's less likely that the whole system would have collapsed.
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The only reason so many people came to help was because it was a media event. It’s a double edged sword
46 likesTo be fair, nobody knew that hanging around outside would cause the cave to collapse.
18 likeswhoop you just spoiled the entire thing oh well
0 likes@DespacitoDaniel That’s what you get for reading the comments of an Internet Historian video before finishing it
20 likes@DespacitoDaniel It happened in 1925, there are no spoilers.
2 likes@lain iwakura to their credit it is a fairly obscure story, but as someone else already pointed out here they read the comments, they suffered the consequences.
0 likes1:08:00 like how you change from black and white to color. Nice detail
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0 likesThis cave is closed by order of the Peaky Blinders
0 likesThe Skyrim and Medal of Honor music was awesome
0 likesIdk why but I feel this video and every second of it is a dirty joke 😂
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0 likesThis story really shines a light on the both great side of humanity and the most vile side of human greed.
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Perfectly balanced as all things should be
9 likes@Thomas Edward Harrison lmao
0 likesYou mean american greed
0 likes@Derfoklishe *human
1 likeAnd, of course, on poor Floyd's golden tooth. Can't forget that.
2 likesWow, that's a movie critic comment right there
0 likesI saw the year and instantly knew who you were talking about and said "ohh no"
0 likesI mean...just don't go down holes. Right?
2 likesThis was the most terrible thing I have ever watched.... thank you for posting it
0 likesHow would the tourist would even visit that place?
0 likesknowing how this story ends, his hopeful speech really is heartbreaking
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Just finished watching the video, and.... damn, you're so right.
12 likesFuck, this is amazing
1 likeThat's makes no sense to me if you're gonna dig anyway make the whole fing opening big enough to fit an adult first people who go through the squeeze like holes deserve what's coming it's stupid to risk it, digging equipment is cheaper and more compact then ever and more efficient and safer if slow going and solo even back then a small pick, hammer and chisel would be better than hands.
0 likesThis is a film the Cohen Brothers need to make
0 likesThis should be on Netflix
0 likesGod this was such a rough video to watch. Floyd calling out for help as the hours passed broke me. Haunting, hopeful, heartbreaking. Excellent execution.
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God had nothing to do with this video.
2 likes@MK Ultra Truly an enlightened gentleman tips fedora
50 likes@MK Ultra that was one of the most non-religious uses of God ever in a sentence. Literally just a figure of speech. Like saying Holy crap this was such a rough video, Omg this was such a rough video, goodness this was such a rough video.
0 likesI personally think religion is stupid but I don't blow my load every time someone says that word on the internet. By all means though don't let me stop you and your fedora wearing boyfriend from circle jerking one another.
This video is plagiarism from about 10 other smaller channels. This video is completely stolen.
0 likes@Lukycharms right, because covering the same topic is plagiarism. you have any proof for those claims or are you just gonna expect ppl to take your word for it?
34 likes@Lukycharms what 10 other channels can you list them? You’ve commented so many times on different threads just list the channels and give them credit if what you are saying is true
10 likes@MK Ultra reddit moment.
14 likes@Lukycharms man look at this bot literally gatekeeping a cave story as if there aren't other youtubers telling it, it dont fucking matter bro its the internet, what are you going to do call the copyright police from 1920s?
7 likesExcellent execution? Bad choice of words.
3 likesI CAN'T MOVE
0 likesIt feels cool. Worth watching
0 likes@Lukycharms You must be riot at parties. That's...if people actually invite your miserable ass.
0 likesIn the story, you would be the person who started the rumors that the whole thing was a hoax.
@thegame61923 I'm drinking the nectar of the gods 🍻
0 likes@Lukycharms lol and I thought my troll comment was stupid.
1 likeJust your everyday backrooms cave entrance
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0 likesHE'S BACK BABY!
0 likesI’d love a … source list?
0 likesJesus let the man rest!!
0 likesI found it so heart-breaking that he died with the lightbulb, as though the hope of the light was the last thing keeping him alive. When the light was gone maybe he felt as though he had finally been forgotten and left to die completely alone and in complete darkness, unaware of he incredible redoubling of effort, will and humanity still very much trying to rescue him.
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Maybe, though I'm sure he would've heard/felt some sort of digging above him.
28 likesIt's sad. He spent so long in utter misery, it would have been better to die quickly if death was inevitable.
0 likesI hope they at least tried to flash the bulb regularly to signify someone was still there for him
9 likesThe light bulbs warmth probably was keeping him alive.
82 likesIt was the only source of heat for him, which essentially kept him alive down there. Though by that point, I doubt he was conscious let alone lucid.
60 likesI think it was the warmth
6 likesI've always liked to think that he died before the light bulb did
6 likesHey what’s up with the spoilery comment
3 likesLess the hope, more the heat. Man was stuck in a cold cave.
1 likespoilers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 like@hamkiller shut yah trap, it's your own fault for reading comments for an hour long video before you watch it. Use your head
0 likesGuys stop commenting about floyd's death you are spoiling it
0 likesThe peaky fooin blinders in the background 😂
0 likesOnce they reach the turn around room
0 likesNOPE
NOPE
NOPE
…..*NOPE*
But can I go see the purdy stagalmights that Floyd was digging out yet or...?
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0 likesgood god that was a rollercoaster. Funny how Internet Historian started out as regaling stories from the internet, now he is like a proper historian who is on the internet. such amazing content
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Historians do original research.
8 likes@Ealdy yeah they can do research. So can researchers.. but can't they simply compile the research of others and... I think I just created a paradox. Good day!
2 likesThese are better documentaries than you'd see on pbs
9 likes@JosephSK_ don’t disrespect Ken Burns documentaries istg
0 likesI wouldn’t call the last section of the Area 51 video history, Urban Burrow.
1 likeWelcome to America
0 likesYeah, I thought this was gonna be about some 4chan shitposts..
1 like@AncientRager V2 that may be true, but i was also referring to other entries like the Costa Concordia and "the Swedish Job" Videos
1 likeFucking love that OrdinaryThings was in this.
0 likesMy anxiety throughout this video 📈📈📈📈
0 likesso... Ace in the hole is based on this? great movie btw
0 likesOne of the most fascinating things I have ever watched on this platform. Fantastic.
0 likesThis was a difficult one to watch, on one hand I love the IH and this video’s quality is top notch, but holy shit the amount of second hand anxiety I got from this story was almost too much. I’m never setting foot in a cave if I can help it.
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Exactly how I feel friend, immensely disturbing story light disturb my sleep lol
6 likesYou ever see that post that compares areas where people go missing, and areas where there are tons of cave systems? I don't know how accurate those are, but that's enough to keep me away from them.
17 likesI’m trying to watch this but I just woke up and now I feel like puking
1 likeI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likesI have claustrophobia now, thanks!
0 likesis it dumb that they chose the roundabout way instead of enlarging the shorter path that is crumbling?
0 likesThis is the best WOT ads i've ever seen :)☺
0 likesNice of the Shelby family to show up
1 likeI love this smaller story of a reporter from out of town walking past the men proudly flaunting their caving expertise for possibly the biggest scoop of his life and pressing past the turnaround point first try. And even sticking around to save his life on many occasions, failure or no he has the mind body and soul of a hero, William Miller.
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ikr? Amazing person.
10 likesYou see. Back then, Journalists actually had morals and did their jobs.
16 likesThe only in-video ads on youtube I don't skip... This is how ads should be
0 likesWhy isn’t this a full on film ?
0 likesThis is why I don't do dumb shit like go crawling around in caves! Lol.
1 likeJesus Christ, this made me sad and mad
0 likesthank you i guess
I was listening to this while I was working, and I just broke down when they finally reached Floyd, way too late. Then just felt even worse when I listened to the horrible things done to his corpse just to make a quick buck. This story really did show some of the best and worst humanity has to offer.
608 likesShout-out to Miller, though. Dude came in looking for a huge scoop, ended up risking neck and limb trying so damn hard to save Floyd, who he barely knew at all. And even turned down the opportunity of being set for life out of respect for Floyd.
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Miller was also the first person besides Floyd's brother that actually had the balls to go deep enough to see and talk to him, despite the crowd outside that made a big show of support, along with people that were probably way more experienced in exploring caves. He seems like a really respectable dude
71 likesYeah, truly showed the best and the worst. and everyone in the end was food for the worms.
10 likes@Midi You gotta lay off the anime
2 likes@MK Ultra what's that have to do with any of this?
9 likes@Albion just ignore him lol
2 likes@Schwertleite brilliant idea
2 likes@qlbtrom Well, can't argue against that. (ironic, I know)
0 likes@qlbtrom I remember realising that after some 14 year old animoid threatened to kill some other kid because he didn't like some anime about Ghouls.
0 likes@Albion We got too many weebs. Gotta purge em.
0 likes@Vergesser Forgetter lol aaaaand that's why I always say to everyone: gotta lay off the anime. Some of it's cool but a lot of it's gay.
0 likesEngrossing documentary 👍🏻
0 likesHoly shit this videos so good we have to calibrate our fucking brightness to watch it avatar trailers don’t even have the cohones to do that Fuck yes
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0 likesWait where were the professionals in the 100 hours........when it was a big news........
0 likesI'm already looking forward to your video about Twitter and Elon.
0 likesThis man just make a 1-hour low budget documentary more interesting than any marvel movies that came out recently
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marvel movies are a VERY low standard. cant expect many things that are worse
38 likesa jar of hot piss is more interesting than a marvel movie. what kind of standard is that.
0 likesThis is more entertaining than nearly every movie I’ve seen over the past 5 years
14 likes@Neem Pata we live in an interesting timeline where DC has now surpassed Marvel in quality
6 likes@Gannoh 0 multiplied by 0 is still 0
8 likesIsn't it funny how big execs were like 10 years late to making marvel movies that anyone cared about lol. If they had been out in like 2010 everyone would have coomed their pants. Now all the big companies are tied up in owning the rights and they're useless LOLLllllll
0 likes@iwuanad ie 2 isn't
0 likesHe’s had this budget for a while now since he made that doc on Steve bonnet the gentleman pirate
1 likeMost mcu and superhero movies suck actually. Because they are not made by people who actually read the comic books. This video is better than most hollywood movies of the last years.
0 likesThis video is by far the best movie ever made
0 likeswow its almost as if you wont find something you dont like to begin with, entertaining. wow who wuddda thunk
0 likesI took a dump this morning more interesting then marvel movies
0 likesWhat a crazy story
0 likes7:27 To skip sponsor.
2 likesNow I'm claustrophobic Thanks.
0 likesi have family in cave city! lifelong kentuckian <3
0 likesI heard Floyd's story before, I knew how it ended, but somehow I thought "maybe I misremembered it and he really does get out" but no. Your storytelling gave me hope for someone I knew died in the end.
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To be fair this was roughly over 100 years ago, so he would be dead anyway.
7 likes@Persephone McGuffin what does that have to do with anything
27 likesIt’s like the Mandela Effect where we all think he escaped the cave 100 years ago. He did escape, but instead it was bout 40 years ago
4 likesI honestly have that same line of thinking when replaying a video game or watching a movie where I know a character dies lmao
1 like@Persephone McGuffin Bad take, like wtf..
4 likes@Teuwufel probably a reference/gag to what internet historian said in the video
0 likes@Persephone McGuffin it wouldnt matter if you died right now because 100 years from now, you wouldve been dead anyways
0 likes@Persephone McGuffin It's just a reminder that someday we will all go to that Cave in the Sky.
0 likes@Talking Mudcrab more like the cave bellow ground
0 likeswhat happened to the pretty part of the cave? was it ever reunearthed?
0 likesSo...why did Brandon Herrera go into the cave?
0 likesdid anyone spot the use of Halo ODST soundtrack at around 27:00
0 likesMy heart goes out to the brother, childhood friend, and reporter trying so hard for so long, repeatedly disrupted by know-nothing bystanders and Floyd's vile father only for his body to be strung up for decoration. God that made me fill ill.
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Tbf what was his brother thinking? He knew it was getting bought by a dentist and didn’t think to move the body to a normal grave? The ending could have been a decent one if they had common sense it seems.
1 like@Life of Diggy As I understood it, it was the father who owned the land, was a bit senile, and decided to sell it under these conditions. The brother protested the deal but couldn't do anything
12 likes@PaxAeeternum That's fine, but if you knew your land was getting bought and your famous brother's dead body was buried there it would be common sense to take the body to somewhere where it cannot be abused... If i was the brother i would be moving that body asap as soon as i hear the land is getting bought.
1 likeYes future me, I watched this whole video.
1 likeDarwin Award 🥇
0 likesLoved the choice of RDR2 music
0 likesAh yes caving…. the dumbest of adventurous excursions.
0 likesI love the character of Miller. He just went to get the story for the paper, but even without any caving experience was the only one brave enough to reach Floyd. He ends up being involved as one of the primary rescue people, not because he was more skilled, just because he was braver and he cared more than most.
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Even moreso in a city full of people who are used to spelunking.
30 likesDunno how Miller got through that hole with balls that big.
Miller has the "Frontline War Journalist" courage. He has pretty much became one of the important figures in the event.
13 likesThe town's folk knew the danger and didn't realize it was possible to save him to begin with. They were experienced and knew if a veteran of cave rescues can't do it a random farmer couldn't either. Miller had the benefit of ignorance and bravery, and once there likely saw Floyd suffering and felt determined to help him. It was extremely selfless because it would just as easy to sit back and document the whole event rather than help him but miller dove in even doing a couple of things I wouldn't dare dream of like the jack portion.
7 likesThumbnail is hole, name is man in cave, they know exactly how to get the attention of our fellow man
0 likes10:04 Planetary Cave Devastation*
0 likesI can't watch this. I just can't. It's just... too dark.
0 likesGet started with claustrophobia in one hour and nine minutes!
0 likesUp until the end, I was convinced Floyd would survive. You're such a great storyteller and narrator, you had me hooked the entire time.
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I figured he was dead the moment he smashed his lantern, but it did not feel good having to watch this train wreck happen in slow motion-especially when he was so close to rescue
130 likes@Logan I mean I did too when is lantern was shattered. But when the rescue operations started and he was being well fed I thought the man would actually survive. I thought he would still hang on knowing that there are so many people working to save him. Such a sad ending.
64 likesRuin it why don't ya?
27 likes@Nopperabou Don't scroll down to the comments of a video you don't want spoiled until you finished watching it. Simple as.
65 likesI think 33:40 gave it away
4 likesfucks sake why did i check the comments
10 likes@Nopperabou don't read the comments if you dont want to be spoiled. This is all on you.
2 likesI had heard about this story on a caving nightmare channel so as soon as the video started I knew what the video was about.
3 likesKnowing of floyds tomb before this, now knowing the story more
2 likesPoor guy
He was quite the fighter
0 likesUp until that footnote appeared for the book about the guy's death. Spoiler much?
0 likesShittt why did I read this
0 likesOi, spoilers!
0 likes@Nopperabou don't scroll down to the comments you lemming. No you are worse than a lemming. Lemmings were chased and forced to jump off cliffs. You went in without being chased.
0 likesJust ruined the video for me thanks 👍👍
0 likes@Corvus they're called spoiler tags
0 likes@Nopperabou The number 1 rule since YouTube's inception is don't read comments unless you want spoilers. I have been here for 10 years and never seen a "spoiler tag"
1 likeI guess it's why this story isn't a widely known American myth.
0 likesRight?
0 likesThe moment the gravel came down I knew otherwise. I haven't even finished it yet.
0 likesThe reference to the death of Floyd or something like that article revealed the sad truth for me
0 likesthere are caves in Kentucky!? no way!
0 likesI'm only 3:30 in at my claustrophobia is setting in.
0 likesI'm claustrophobic why tf did I watch this to the end
0 likesWell.
0 likesThat was... a movie?
Miller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming
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he isnt a character lmfao this is a true story
62 likesi love how the sheer frustration of not being able to get him out to interview him kept miller going its so funny
177 likes@Kelvin80 I think he’s aware of that
92 likesyes
2 likes@Kelvin80 Character doesn't just mean fictional. It refers to any person in a narrative, fictional or real.
151 likesMy new favorite redemption arc
6 likesParasitic journalist??? What exactly suggested that Miller was "parasitic" in any way? Or are all journalists just parasites by default to you?
0 likesJournalism was a much more respected career back in the day now celebrity gossip and tabloids kind of took over.
39 likesHe was never parasitic. IH got this entirely wrong. Just likely nearly everything else in his video.
6 likesHe isnt parasitic, what made you think that he was parasitic?
18 likes@S_Miclemie IH's shit video that literally displays him as such
2 likes@C Porter I didn’t think he was parasitic while I was watching the video
22 likes@C Porter Most of this video is accurate. He only got a couple of things wrong from what I've read. They didn't pull Floyd out after they buried him not because it was unsafe, but because they couldn't get to the rock that had his leg pinned. That's why Homer dug an entirely new tunnel months later. He also said that Floyd's body was displayed in Sand Cave when it was actually displayed in Crystal Cave. Everything else was correct. I do think he somewhat plagiarized a Mental Floss article from 2018 about Floyd too.
21 likes@Mr. Shickadance everything that you listed here are major things. It changes the whole narrative. Crystal Cave was Floyd's Discovery and life work. It was the whole reason why he was at Sand Cave to begin with, and the reality of the situation too. I had to make a 50-minute long video just detailing all of the major shit he got wrong, and a little bit of the minor stuff thrown in there too.
0 likes@C Porter Not really. Whether Floyd was kept in Crystal Cave or Sand Cave doesn't change much of anything about the overall story. He should've gotten that detail right, but it's not a big deal. The other point I made isn't a big deal either.
16 likes@Mr. Shickadance his entire narrative is that sand cave spins fate against floyd, and wants to keep him forever. How does this not absolutely destroy that illogical narrative from the ground up?
0 likes@C Porter Oh it does, but that's not his "entire narrative". That's an aside to the general story of Floyd's fate. It doesn't change that story in a way that really matters.
10 likes@Mr. Shickadance how? Crystal Cave is why Floyd got to Sand Cave in the first place, and Crystal Cave is how Floyd spent roughly 50 years of his death being further disrespected, mutilated, tossed around and thrown about. Crystal Cave is Floyd's True Legacy as well, as it's pretty much the reason why we even have the Mammoth Cave region how it actually is to this day. By the way his narrative is only about the tragedy, and nothing else. Not even a hint as to anything else apart from the tragedy, which Floyd has been extremely Monumental in reshaping the entire area of Central Kentucky as we know it.
0 likes@C Porter You're still not telling me how this changes the story in a meaningful way. The fact that he was kept in Crystal Cave and not Sand Cave doesn't change the fact that he was kept in a coffin in a cave, and his corpse was vandalized. The story doesn't change. These are details that he should've gotten right, but it's like IMDB trivia stuff and not some kind of plothole like you're making it out to be.
20 likesI love how you just had to characterize the only reason you even know about any of these events as a parasite. Besides the abysmal pay, the sheer disrespect I experienced as a journalist is the main reason (out of many) that I quit the profession entirely. It was my life's dream to be a newspaper reporter and once I achieved that goal I literally went insane and enlisted in the army with an 11x option 40 contract (This is a contract that has you sent to Fort Benning, GA for training as an infantryman, followed by airborne school. I had literally several dozen people attempt to discourage me from doing this, including every single NCO working the recruiting office, as I had a degree and a 98 ASVAB score. I ended up going to Afghanistan twice for a total of over two years, of which I experienced an approximate total of 30 days or so that I did not participate in a firefight, and where I was riding inside a vehicle that was blown up by an IED, and where I had to do many things that I'm proud of as well as many things that I'm not proud of and which will weigh heavily on my shoulders until the day I must finally answer to God for them.). My point is that you should try to have a little more respect for the profession of journalism, as there are a great many journalists deserving of said respect, and because it is a necessary profession in a free society.
5 likes@Joel Glanton IH displays him as a bit parasitic, which he wasn't. And Ace In The Hole (A fictional retelling of Floyd Collins done in 1951) who recreates Skeets in a new light does more of it. Blame IH for making a poor as fuck video about the event.
0 likes@Joel Glanton The parasitic industry of media has been dragging journalism through the mud for decades, what did you expect?
0 likesThere are parasitic journalists and there are real journalists, Miller just happened to be the latter, he didn't "rise" up like it was some character arc in a fictional tale. That's who he was as a person.
2 likes@Kelvin80 A character doesn't mean that the person isn't real, lmfao
0 likes@C Porter how was he misrepresented? Did Miller not go down there to interview Floyd with the intention of eventually saving him for a great story? While a bit parasitic, his means definitely justify his ends
5 likes@C Porter how pressed can someone be lmao
5 likesJournalism used to be a moral profession.
0 likesInini
0 likesI mean, how was he ever a parasitic journalist? I know it's popular nowadays to hate on journalists because of how they appear on broadcast news. It's worth noting that broadcast news isn't real journalism. Newspapers is where a vast majority of real journalism comes from. Hell, broadcast news steals most of its stories from the paper anyways.
0 likesMiller was just there doing his job when he was asking questions. But he went well above and beyond the call of duty. But ignoring that, don't hate the guy for doing his job. Journalism is really important and is a dying art form because everyone thinks that what they see on Fox and CNN is an accurate portrayal of the profession as a whole.
@Kelvin80 Real people are characters. Fictional characters are fictional. Non fictional characters are non fictional.
0 likes@Doggy ACKSHULLY: false stories were far more common in the days before telegrams. They may have been more respected, but mostly because the readers heard what they wanted to, and didn't have any way to fact check.
0 likesAnd to this day, many mainstream news sources are used to launder misinformation to attack people, groups, and causes they want attacked.
@yo ma yes, but that's the joke
0 likes@Noskal Borg Oh did he tell you he was joking?
0 likesBravo vince !!
1 like@yo ma i prefer to believe he is joking. Because it makes more sense given the style of the video and the claims that it made.
0 likes@C Porter post source
0 likes“Parasitic journalists”? Journalism isn’t the same thing as being a paparazzi, it’s getting a story out to the public, which was always his intention
0 likes@C Porter you ok?
0 likes@Declicitous I'm fine
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0 likes@Mr. Shickadance When he keeps on hammering the point that 'the cave wasn't letting Floyd go', it kind of does. It would be nice to mention that Floyd was at least buried alongside his life's work, although I'm sure that didn't particularly soothe his family.
0 likesYou made a small mistake there with the footlong sub, it's 11 inches not 12 :P
0 likesanyone know what the song is at 49:00?
1 likeF for Floyd.
0 likesMan i couldnt even imagine.
0 likesAs a Kentuckian, I've heard the story of Floyd Collins a lot. This was a masterful telling of Floyd's ordeal, handled with expertise, humor, and all the respect it deserves.
1072 likesI still think the most chilling part of the story is the account of Casey Jones and Floyd calling him down to be trapped with him. Casey was truly in an unenviable position, and it just sends shivers up my spine. Floyd was effectively "tricking" Casey into being trapped, but just through (understandable) desperation and fear. Just scary to think about.
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Perhaps he believed that nobody else was as unlucky as himself, so the cave would not collapse as long as they were inside.
18 likesI dunno about that, Floyd wasn't aware of the trapping issues above, he just wanted to not be alone, but I believe if he could have magically had full knowledge he wouldn't have done that, and as such the assumption about his motivation is possibly wrong.
80 likes@jama211 I completely agree, not to mention he was delirious and had been literally dying for days on end. I seriously doubt he was trying to purposefully trap people. He was cold, scared, and didn’t want to die all alone. Pretty simple but not as dramatic. Still loved the video though
61 likes@Alex Murphy agreed.
3 likesThere's barely any respect in this whatsoever. So many things are crucially wrong with this highly ficticious telling of the story. And I don't mean that as in just the humor, but by how IH gets even the most basic of well known facts about Floyd entirely wrong just so it can fit this narrative. Or perhaps he's just shittier at researching into it than I thought was even possible.
2 likesAnd before all the backlash starts: I've lost nearly all patience for defending myself through people's hopeless wails of "it's just a video" or "who cares" and the condescending "it's not supposed to be 100%, just get over it lmao" toxic cancer in comment sections, by people who instead of looking into it themselves jump straight to believing i'm talking out my ass. Instead over the last several days I've been making a video that will address and explain everything I'm talking about, and it will be out in the next few days hopefully. There are far too many things to list here, along with their context as to tell it correctly, telling it in 1 or 2 sentences isn't enough for commenters to beleive these things are incredibly crucial, and cant be left out.
@C Porter 👍
0 likesC Porter can you give me a basic rundown of what they got wrong pls
3 likesCasey probably would have survived seeing how Floyd died of exposure
0 likes@C Porter this is my first introduction to the story. If you listed some of the inaccuracies elsewhere could you copy and paste them here? Again, I'm not really familiar with the story so I can't even argue either way. I'm just curious about some of your perspective. No need to list everything of course.
2 likesEdit: I spotted one of your comments elsewhere
@Not Tellingyou I've done it in other comment sections, let me see if I can find it and copy and paste. (these are within the top 5 comments here replies)
0 likes7:00 why he's right and i did this
1 likeBingewatching all of IH content, it's gonna run out soon... pls make more.
1 likeWas that wendigoon😂
0 likesIt can't be a coincidence if Rusty Cage is the alpha male of the story.
0 likesIt's genuinely chilling to think that he ended up passing away when just a few days earlier, all that was left was one rock on his foot
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And it was so preventable, too :(
9 likesI wonder how it could have been prevented :/
0 likes@gz What killed him was all the people standing outside causing the cave to shift
0 likesSandy cave will open its maw once again.
0 likesThis is awesome
0 likesGreat story
0 likesIs that Limgrave OST?!!!! 45:25 - 45:40 from Elden Ring
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0 likesThe fact that the light bulb was still functioning and that they could use the cable to detect breathing is amazing. Still, I have this pit at my stomach thinking about being alone under 60ft of earth with nothing but a light bulb. How did he feel when he thought they had abandoned him? All he had was that little light, maybe he though that it went out because they switched the power off.
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Jesus, I didn't think about that last part. Just the icing on the cake to what has to be one of the worst ways to die.
70 likesthe doc said that he died around the time the bulb went out.
72 likesMaybe his will to live did too.
To make things hopefully a little less upsetting, I think the lightbulb was only keeping him warm. He most likely was already in a coma-like state due to the lack of oxygen/nutrition and when his body lost heat,he went from sleep to perma-sleep.
57 likesI make entertaining videos as well🙏
1 like@Yung Zyon no, you dont
18 likes@Yung Zyon Tracka
0 likes@Darg It makes sense he died the moment it went out, it was the only source of heat he had so hypothermia finally got to him. When you are stuck between rocks the mountain literally sucks all the heat out of you.
12 likesI doubt he was even conscious let alone coherent when the lightbulb finally went out. They estimated he died very close to when the light bulb burnt out.
2 likes@Yung Zyon Man, you're the same as the people setting up attractions outside the cave while he was trapped.
2 likesHe probably died because the light bulb burned out. If you've been born prior to the 2000s, you'll probably remember that those incandescent light bulbs burn really hot. And it's not just the bulb itself that's hot. The light they produce is most IR like the sun's, and feels hot when shone on your skin, or on surrounding objects. Maybe it was even enough to heat his body, and his surroundings.
1 likeI still have some of those bulbs, and I use them order to keep warm chicks, kittens or other small animals during the winter.
you are still the best chanel in youtube
0 likesSaw this on another account. Wanna engage with it so youtube knows I like it.
0 likesWhat an absolute miserable nightmare...... Oh my God.....
1 likeNow we're the tourists at the carnival here in the comment section. Arguing what could of been done better and playing world of tanks.
0 likesHis brother is an actual legend, massive respect even though this was almost a century ago. Also his friend was commendable as well, and the many others who actually did a thing, don't underestimate true comradery!
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Its rare to have family go that far for you, people say much but do little, this man went above and beyond for his brother.
21 likesIt sounds like if only his brother, friend and the reporter showed up, they might have got him out.
0 likesIf you want to have fun, take drugs... caves are for fools ;p
0 likescut outs from peaky blinders, nice! LOL
0 likesThe Peaky Blinders 😂😂😂
0 likescredits for the cameraman
0 likesThis is possibly one of the most tragic stories I've ever heard. Poor, poor Floyd. What a terrible fate.
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ohh no, but thx for the spoiler. I mean it. I am 4 minutes in but I am stopping now. I never thought I am not claustrophobic, but apperently Iam. I got the chills wachting this.
1 like@Aristotiles von Tight It's a really good story, but if you really can't handle it then sadge. I got claustrophobic a couple of times but my morbid curiosity is stronger.
6 likes@Stanko Barabata I can handle it the question is if I want to. Some people are into horrror and gore moives. I am not. Its not that I cant handle fear or disgust it is just not entertaining for.
0 likesWhy would I be "sadge". I am cool with my decision...
If you look closely at the 3rd image I see a crepper at the Minecraft at the back idk haha
1 like49:32
This is the craziest story
0 likesthis is why we invented pickaxes why the fck would you squeeze when you can hack?
0 likeslmao tommy shelby at the sand cave.
0 likesDamn. I wanted a happy ending so badly. I can't imagine what kind of emotional rollercoaster his brother and childhood friend must have gone through.
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Guessing that when the light burned out he just gave up...
9 likesDo [SPOILER ALERT] Next time first pls ;-;
6 likes@Avocado You shouldn't be scrolling through comments before watching a video like this. So no i won't.
39 likesAt 58:54 when he said his teeth were shimmering in the light I thought it was going to be Floyd smiling, happy to see his rescuers. He was not.
4 likes@Anton Sundin you're a 🤤
1 like"Durrr you read comments when I say it's okay hurrrr"
I was so infuriated when it got to the people and the media claiming it was a hoax, despite the fact that this all happened long before I was born. Funny how that works.
1 like@a o No, you sad little child, you are choosing to read the comments. Nobody is telling you that you're not allowed to, they are trying to very politely explain to you that you spoiled it for yourself by reading comments and you have nobody else to blame for that.
0 likesYou are touching the stove and screaming, then when someone tells you not to touch the stove you start screaming about how you can touch the stove if you want.
Yes, you can, and you will get burnt.
@a o Reading comments before a video is fucking stupid. That guy is an idiot.
0 likes45:24 background track is Elden Ring I swear.
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0 likes2:47 does anyone know what this song is? i cant find it through the list and i really dont have the time to listen to every song lmao, thank you in advance
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Silent Footsteps - Skyrim Soundtrack
0 likes@Megaspartan23 THANK YOU SM
0 likesI just noticed tommy shelby just shouting in the crowd
0 likesThe night they stole the body was the same as my birthday, odd.
0 likesMiller was there for the content of the story but stayed to geniunely help Floyd to be rescued. Sadly he died, I'm sure he remembered those moments they talked in that cave. Such a wild story and undeniably a good reason why its popular for years to come. Rest in Peace Floyd.
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"For the content" lol. Miller was for sure one of the most kind hearted people to ever walk this earth.
20 likesYou may ask why. Ask yourself if you were a reporter: Would you risk your life like he did? Your job was to report to a newspaper not to save a person, would you still keep risking your life? you have never been in a cave before and have no experience, do you still do it?
Everything seems to point the other way.
Miller must have had a lot of compassion and willpower.
What a manly man!
@august lavdal sad they don't make journos like him anymore
3 likes@Adrian The Normie I thinks it's Miller as a person than as a profession. I doubt many journalists of his time would go through that much effort for a person and story. Miller is "one of a kind" you could say.
1 likeAround 23 minutes is that outer wilds music
0 likesWhy his voice is so stupidly hilarious 🤣, that accent kills me 🤣
1 likeIts pronounced LUHVULLE as a local would say
0 likesoh em gee 4 minutes into the video and i am already panicking
0 likesI like how you made Sand Cave kinda of a character and that makes the storytelling even more terrifying
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He made the cave feel like a monster. The cave lured Floyd in with promises of riches. It trapped him. It played with him by not killing him immediately but slowly while also allowing him to build hope, so it could destroy all of it when he thought he could finally get out. It killed him after the game got boring but didn't let him go. It controlled the universe itself, so he always returned to it no matter what happened. It only let him go when it ran out of tricks. A terrifying monster
77 likes@Little Death guard Some Lovecraftian abomination shit right there. Just like the nightmare sequence Internet Historian showed.
18 likesThe picture of cave entrance reminds me of anglerfish jaws, at 1:07:30 you can see them close slightly
2 likes@Rafał Wyrobek OMG I didn't realized that
0 likesSemper Fidelis!!!...---...🦅🌎⚓...---...🔥🔥🔥
1 likeInternet Historian is hoping this Taylor Swift/Ticketmaster drama goes "death-con 3" or whatever kanye was saying
0 likesI have severe claustrophobia, I'm not listing nor watching this whole video
0 likesNo way i got a cave ad💀
0 likesI feel for that worker who looked Floyd in the eyes before leaving him behind. That shit's gotta stick with you until the grave.
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And he was the last person to saw him alive too
76 likes@Matteo Mastrodomenico I can't imagine the desperation Floyd was feeling after so many days in darkness knowing the cave was about to collapse again. No wonder the guy heard muffled sobbing.
60 likesI can't imagine what went through the guy's head. It must've hurt.
21 likesi want to be mad that he didn't stay but i also totally understand not wanting to
15 likesEasiest decision he ever made
3 likesHonestly I don't blame him, I would leave too, I'd never forget the look though.
10 likesI CAN'T MOVE
2 likesPeople starting a conspiracy around the whole thing being fake for literally no reason was tragically expected.
0 likeswhat was the movie based on this story again?
0 likesIt's kind of sad. The dude died just trying to make a buck.
0 likesThe peaky blinders are the best part of this story
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0 likesAs a40 year old man who has witnessed enough messed up things for a lifetime, the first 5 minutes of this video was truly uncomfortable, good job.
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Watch the nutty putty video, even worse
1 like@William North Jesus dude we get it you don’t need to reply to every single comment with the same shit 🤡
0 likesespecially the world of tanks arc
0 likesgave myself a spoiler by remembering the black stone cherry song
0 likesI have claustrophobia… why the fuck did I watch this in agony
0 likesShould have let Gerald take care if shit from the beginning
0 likesPLEASEEEEEEEE make a video about the state of twitter rn after Elon's takeover
0 likesHomer is a real brother.
1 likeJust epic video
0 likesLMAO lovev the mc cave sounds
0 likesPoor Floyd.
0 likesWhy isn't anybody talking about Gerald? He's truly one of the best people of the entire operation, doing by far the most progress to try and free Floyd before the cave, well, closed himself. He's such a great friend, despite all the time that has passed, he was still there for him.
773 likesHe could have saved him if it wasn't for the ignorance of the tourists...
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7 likesThat's speculative but I think so too. The determination he showed was under utilized and stymied at many turns.
41 likesfr though, but nobody ever listens to the individual with actual experience.
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3 likesMore respect for Miller, he's only in it for journalism but my man, he's one of the most dedicated member on saving Floyd! He even refused to profit from it!
42 likesKuudra Mandible
3 likes@「Iberis」 I probably have the most respect for miller, due to him having all the reasons in the world not to help him, and only doing it for the money, and yet he still helped him and refused most of the big bucks
25 likesShame he didn't arrive before it became a massive spectacle, if he were the first, second or even third person down there, things could have ended very differently
14 likesI want people, while going through this entire comments section, to keep it in the back of their mind that likely every person writing anything here would've been culpable for the man's death if they had been around at the same time.
3 likesThe only way to deal with tourist is with a shotgun
1 like"why is nobody talking about" dude it's a comment section, unless someone is talking to you don't feel so left out about the conversation topics you damn weirdo
1 like@J stymied is such a good word I need to use more
2 likes@Just another Terraria enthusiast Seriously disrespectful
0 likes@TwerkToSpec you are certainly the "weirdo" here. For some reason you don't like a man who sacrificed his career and life for another random man. Shows a lot about you.
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0 likes@James McComb lol what? You really think we wouldn't try to help the man? We would have at least called the police lmfao
1 like@Clickbait Cancer We have no way of knowing if that massive spectacle is how he even heard about it or not though. Sure, the later gatherings shouldn't have happened, but the news of the event might have been the only reason he even got word of it. Information was slow back then
2 likes@Approach Cautiously I'm aware, it's purely hypothetical, I would say that's the most likely way he heard about it, considering he didn't arrive before it became a large news story
0 likesThis is my 127 Hours.
0 likesOmigah, you got Wendigoon, now collabwith GG yaaaaassss
0 likesthis helped me finish a painting
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0 likesHoly shit don’t watch this without Adblock. There’s an ad every fucking few minutes.
1 likeStringing a lightbulb around Lloyd to keep him warm is simple but actually genius.
563 likesAnd using it to monitor his breathing? Brilliant.
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Yet they couldn't think of something as simple as dropping down a phone line and feeding tube
20 likes@Davy Machinegun hindsight is 20/20
14 likesyeah all of the budget went to the copper line not in the bulb that lasted 5 days
1 like@NOVY in this case hindsight was 19/20
13 likes@Davy Machinegun Well, this was in an era were cave rescues were still a relatively new concept. Now we have definitive plans and rescue authorities specifically for people trapped in caves/mines.
5 likesNow it would be "what if it causes his temperature to go up to like 99°? What if it causes cave gases to explode? What if it leaves a permanent mark on his shirt?... 🤔... he could sue 😬
0 likes--- Mine owner: hey, I'm puttin 2 kids through college 🤷
--- County commish: The money's just not in th budget for a major lawsuit😢
--- Governor: I mean...you know I would... but with elections in just 3 and a half years... 😒
and it was deemed that he died when his only source of light did. it's quite poetic yet terribly sad
1 like@PoutineDream ...what?
0 likesDid anyone know that Mammoth Cave in Kentucky is one of the many entrances to Agartha.... the hollow earth world?
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That's... not a real thing. It's just "wow pretty stone place" not esoteric nonsense.
0 likes@Goose all will be revealed in the future to come and many things also like "people" who rule earth are Reptilians. If you search Nesara Gesara law all of these will and some are already in effect. Isn't obvious that the Georgian Guidestones were destroyed? It was made by the Cabal
0 likesThe hour counter keeps bringing me to tears — there can be nothing so terrifying as spending so long, often alone, in the dark and virtually hopeless. Floyd’s later hope is so inspiring.
0 likes2023 - Dumpsterfires Are Stackable
0 likesamazing video
0 likesHonestly it's a miracle nobody else died in that cave during all this...
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Well, Floyd himself didn't die until he was completely buried, and I guess lot of people in the city were pretty skilled in caving due to it being big truism business there
22 likesyes
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0 likesHey, is that BGM at 45:24 Elden Ring Limgrave? It's not listed 🤔
0 likesTurns out I'm claustrophobic
0 likesNope, nope, nopetty nope nope nope!!! Getting a heart attack just watching.
0 likesFinally some Kentucky clout
0 likesAs silly as Internet Historian likes to be, this video really shows how much of a talented story teller he is. I'd never heard of this story before and was absolutely glued to my phone, hoping that Floyd would make it until the very end! It's so well done. Now I'm watching it a second time and it really hits different knowing what happens.
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Second? 🫤I mean your time but thats just doing too much🦉
0 likesI mean, I agree that the narration was well done, but it was amateurish in the fact that he gave up how this story was going to end at the beginning. The words that he used all but told you that Floyd wasnt making it out 😞
0 likesIH is a genuinely exceptional creator in that just about all of his videos, regardless of the channel/format, stand up to watching them more than once. For instance, the pace and timing of the early Storymode vids are crackerjack, it's like listening to music.
0 likes@ICU1337 I dont think it’s amateurish at all. Shakespeare does it with Romeo and Juliet. It’s the journey, not the destination
2 likes@Messy Misha people rewatch movies immediately after leaving the theater lom.
0 likes@howdocowsfly cute quote. You can set me up with the bestest, funnest road trip eva! But I aint getting on board if I know the destination is Hell 💀...
0 likes@Messy Misha I didn't watch it immediately afterwards. The video has been out for days. There's plenty of time to watch it again.
0 likes48:46 Reagan once said the scariest thing an American can hear is "Im from the government and Im here to help."
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I wish Reagan was the one that got stuck in a cave.
0 likeslouiville - kentucky? its no wonder the zombie apocalypse started there in Project zomboid lol
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0 likesbest movie i've ever seen
0 likesHow about the alien world?
1 likeI was devastated when I heard the ending, even wondering what could I possibly even learn from this. But then I thought, "If it weren't for IH, I would never have heard of Floyd to begin with." And that, in and of itself, is worse by having Floyd's memory pass into nothingness. Forgotten by time. Everyone who watched this tonight will remember a man we never met, yet felt his pain down in that cave. And I hope it gives him peace knowing that we're thinking of him. Even after all these years.
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Somewhere in the afterlife, Floyd is happy that after 100 years, after so many events that are way worse than his imprisonment and death, people still care about him
12 likesWell not for nothing, but the story of Floyd Collins is a piece of American history that comes around into the zeitgeist every so often. There is a very well written musical that had a run about a decade ago, for example.
3 likesIf you thought you were having a bad day...
0 likesThe Wolf Among Us music, I worked on that game. Senpai noticed me. swoon
1 likeDid I hear Elden Ring music, or am I tripping?
0 likesYou got me thinking that the pictures were the real guy -_-
1 likeI had never heard about this before. So I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Really, Homer and Miller were the real MVPs. But man, the miner that was almost tricked into staying with Floyd having to leave him behind and listen to his sobbing before the cave collapsed must have haunted him for the rest of his life.
626 likesI had really hoped the story would have a happy ending and they would have managed to save Floyd. :( Poor guy couldn't be freed from that cave until almost 100 years later. I'm glad his body was finally able to escape.
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Spoilers. :( my fault, I was scrolling the comments for comfort because I found this story really horrifying.
17 likes@qwerkyqwerty Same
1 like@qwerkyqwerty Why complain about spoilers when it's you're own fault?
6 likes@DarkIceKrabby He's not complaining per se, he's just sad he spoiled himself with the ending
15 likes@DarkIceKrabby Why complain about your mother passing on when it’s not your fault? Oh what’s that? It’s called lamentation.
10 likes@qwerkyqwerty I knew it was the end the moment the gravel came down. Your very blood quickly becomes toxic, and the moment it circulates again you are screwed.
8 likesSauce: I am a sewer mechanic.
@Moonlit Wraith Pretty much.
1 like@LegendStormcrow Yo? Why's it become toxic?
1 like@A.C. simple, all the oxygen is gone. It's all the crap your body pushes out, stuck in one spot.
1 likeDon't forget Gerold who swept in like a hurricane, made massive progress on his own and almost had him out if not for the cave collapsing.
12 likes@LegendStormcrow And here I am, claiming to know a lot about anatomy. Thanks man!
1 like@A.C. Z'alright bro. I wouldn't know if not for the shoring training.
1 likei knew of this from awhile ago but the way this video was made and regardless of me knowing the outcome i was still on the edge of my seat. It's also been a long enough time that i couldnt remember how long it took etc.
0 likesNo, he should of put his arms up and outstretched; putting them at his side makes his body wider. And then he would have had “crawling” power. That was kind of dumb 😵💫🫣🤷♀️. 💟☮️🌻
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0 likesam i the the only one hearing the elden ring soundtrack at 45:25 ?
0 likesI watched xqc React to this. Banger video
0 likesHey! That's the Skyrim music! 2:41
0 likesMan, Floyd deserved better. He kept his sanity for longer than any of us could in such a situation and he met one of the scariest ends for a human
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Just imagining the poor man not being able to move at all, having to defacate where he was stuck, the creeping cold and complete darkness, the dwindling hope, the highly possible delirium and hallucinations setting in... Yeaah.
0 likesTerrible way to go. I hope he fell unconcious and atleast passed in peace.
And then along comes that one lowest scum of the earth who scams his father, defiles his grave and drags his body back into the cave for profiteering.
I'm not usually one for capital punishment or mob justice but that guy I would've gladly buried alive. Literally, no joke at all.
There are worse caver deaths, see the "nutty butte"r cave when the caver was trapped with his body facing down, or the case of the caver trapped with his body hanging facing down down from a rope while being drenched in ice cold water...
9 likes@David Hollenshead but the difference is the treatment after
11 likes@Moon 32 Adding on to this. Floyd was fed and watered. Meaning this torture went on for an agonizingly longer time than those other tragedies.
7 likesHe didn’t keep his sanity, he tried to get a man entombed with him, perfectly understandable given the stress he was under but you know he clearly had somewhat lost it
1 like@The Boshy he said it himself he had hope and genuine hope there were people who cared about him and were doing all they could to get him out. The worst ones are where they know there’s no hope like with nutty putty that guy knew he was never getting out almost immediately, being upside down meant that his legs were drained of blood so even moving him at all was so painful and he would die of shock. He was just waiting to die and he had no time to go mad or come to terms with it he died in 24 hours, I honestly would rather have some time to think about my life and at least know there were people who cared about me enough to risk there own lives to save me, there was nothing anyone could do with that poor nutty putty guy
0 likesI woulda lost it the moment my lamp broke
1 like@Leon Connelly not really, wanting to be trapped with another person instead of alone is completely sane, no one’s saying he wasn’t desperate
1 like@The Boshy people also constantly kept his hopes up. Nutty Putty victim's circumstances were definitely more gruesome and he knew he was going to die.
0 likesIs the soundtrack at 45:30 and a little further from guild wars?
0 likes2:41 That music from drakan the ancient gates?
0 likesa god honest truth, nobody would gave a fuck about me trapped in a hole like that. If anyone came down to try id ask them to put me outta my damn misery
0 likesI wonder if they could have set up a pulley to pull him out horizontally vice vertically?
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That's what i thought, pulley or just a piece of steel in the bend of the cave. At the end of the day they did their best and we cant blame them for that.
0 likes@Craposnap no they did not, he could have lived as mentioned
0 likesI would never expect to be on edge watching a documentary that looks like it's animated with primarily pngs. You're genuinely a great writer and filmamaker. bravo
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There's nothing more pretentious than calling a shitposting YouYuber a "filmmaker".
1 like@Unfinished CGI Wouldn't call him a shitposter either. Clearly research and time goes into these videos.
0 likesWhat fucking mad lad of a bro
0 likesAre you going to do an episode on Twitter under Elon Musk?
1 likeThank you for being you.
1 likeKatana Zero and Outer Wilds music, fantastic😄😄
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0 likes41:42 Casey having to leave, only being able to watch as the light disappears and he hears sobbing of the man he had to leave behind. I wonder how much guilt he felt from that moment, it’s too horrible to imagine
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I just pray he didn’t leave without words, I hope Floyd knew how loved and cared for he was in those last moments :(
36 likes@Ceri-Ann they couldn't even send him food so probably
43 likesNo
@Ceri-Ann I can only imagine that if he was still conscious or lucid, he might have heard or felt at least some of the rescue attempt. They were mining day/night and dropping dynamite right above his head up until 3 days after he passed. At the very least he was aware of how much people fought to free him before the collapse.
28 likesOr the pride knowing he'd done everything he'd expect from another to do everything within their power to reach rescue and only turned back when he knew that rescue was basically Impossible due to deteriorating conditions he'd even tried to avoid. Unfortunately doing something that prone to misadventures without sleep probably would've resulted in even more deaths. Im sure though he never forgot that moment after he'd barely avoided being knocked unconscious.. and he knew that his friend would end up paying for his life, for this hobby that the two had shared many successful triumphant expeditions and also a number of hairy situations
4 likes@Ceri-Ann
7 likes“See ya wouldnt wanna be ya”
I don't know why he'd feel any guilt. Staying would have been signing a suicide pact (at least as far as he knew. Casey PROBABLY could have survived long enough until the dig team got to them so that he could get out). There was no way for Casey to save him. It'd be like people at the theatre feeling guilty that they didn't save Lincoln from John Wilkes Booth. There was nothing he could have done.
0 likesProbably felt kinda good
0 likes@Cats Are life LlllplLpl
0 likesLlllLlllllllllLLLl////0/\l
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What ever happened 2 Lemmino? Best check the surrounding caves.....
0 likesugh I'm 2 minutes in and already terrified.
0 likesAnyone else noticed Tomas Shelby in the crowds?
0 likesThis was a cool video
0 likesYou used music from rdr2 multiple times in a video about suffering in a cave?
0 likesPoor old Floyd... If not for that buck.
0 likesDamnit man, watched this whole video tryna see my man’s survive
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0 likesCover Alfie Evan's case! It blew up bc of social media
0 likesThe saddest part about this story is that each time, they were so close to actually figuring something out, only for the situation to change right before they could implement anything. Bad luck, poor timing and the time lost in-between killed Floyd.
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Like if they had a pulley anchored to the floor in front of Floyd's head so it pulled him straight out they may have been able to get him out without pulling him up into the rock.
28 likes@Crypto Tonight i was thinking the same thing. may not have had spacec for that tho :(
9 likesIf they had just started digging from day 1 they probably would have gotten him and a better entrance to the "special" room
27 likesBro is in the cave for 60 years 💀
2 likesI am ditching work to watch this interesting history, you can't judge me
0 likesWhat, So you're just "Historian" Now?
0 likesI made it to 1:31 I'm out.
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0 likesThis gave me hella anxiety.
0 likesOn one hand, its a miserable, sad story about a man's untimely death despite the futile struggle to save him, and the brazen disrespect of his corpse. But on the other hand, there's something really touching about people banding together and doing everything they can to save a man who is, to most of them, a total stranger. Dying trapped in a horrible dark cave is bad, but dying with no one caring about you is, in my opinion, worse. And for all he suffered through, at least Floyd died with likely millions across the country caring about him.
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What sucks is I belive if some people had gone through the squeeze much earlier I believe he could've gotten saved before the cave in
27 likesI’d rather die with noone caring about me than die trapped in a cave like that. That’s probably the reason you’ll never see me ever go into a cave.
3 likes@Beware the Lily of the Valley trash take tbh
2 likes@Cautemoc I mean he was Decently experienced and climbing through tiny passageways like that isn't super uncommon I honestly believe had he not broke the lantern he wouldn't have gotten stuck. I feel like if they had just stuck with what was working immediately then he would've lived.
1 like@Marz I think even back then it was common knowledge that if you're going into an unexplored area, bring a person with you. It was objectively bad decision-making on his part. Doesn't deserve death obviously but he put himself there from multiple bad decisions.
0 likes@Cautemoc it probably was common knowledge but it's still common today and people still do it. It's not a good decision but when you hike or go spelunking as often as you go grocery shopping it becomes a routine, like he said in the video he had been working on it for some time which meant he was most likely used to going down there plus if that's the only way into the cave and he knew the formation down there would be great tourism it means he made it through that cave before just to find that formation he was only digging it wider for tourists as it would be difficult for novices and most likely dangerous. Did he make a dumb Decision yes but people did know where he was which is one of the main rules of hiking or just exploring alone MAKE SURE SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE. Since he spent so long in caves before its a miracle they checked on him only 23 hours after getting stuck. It sucks but when your so used to a routine you can make mistakes and he made 1 that cost him his life
0 likes@Hank J. Wimbleton I was referring to the on-lookers, but you're right, nice that people did eventually begin to give their all to the rescue. This story literally kept me from getting sleep last night. I shouldn't have watched this.
0 likesTo think, a well placed pulley to change the direction of the direct pulling force on Floyd’s body might’ve saved Floyd from having to endure one of the worst deaths imaginable.
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well that idea seems logical but there wasnt even enough space for a pulley like that the video really doesnt show how narrow that whole cave was
1 like49:32 yo that creeper
0 likes25:55 fuck that got me
1 likeIt’s late asf too
Is this what the movie ace in the hole was inspired from?
0 likesThe part where he lied about needing water and intended to trap that other guy down there just to avoid being alone was so fucking dark, and completely understandable
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Agreed, it makes me think of that one saying along the lines of "A drowning man will always try to drag somebody down with him." Given how delirious he must have been from being trapped down there, I can't even bring myself to scorn him for that. It's awful, but it's understandable.
64 likesAnd that other guy ended up being the last human being Floyd ever saw. Terrifying prospect...
62 likesYou're suppose to tell them to run. Nice freaking people lol
1 likeUnderstandable? Floyd was essentially asking that guy (who had a family, I did my research) to die simply because he didn't want to die alone. He wasn't in his right mind which is why he said it, so I guess it is technically understandable because I understand why he said it, but it's still seriously fucked.
0 likes@FORK LIFT Pretty sure Floyd wasn't in the right headspace from, you know, being trapped in a cave for 114 hours at that point. On top of being wounded and delirious. There's no "suppose" when you're in that state, all he knew was that he desperately didn't want to be alone.
1 likeAll that time he’s stuck and nobody called in a stepbro??
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0 likesSounds like its the devils hole
0 likesI love I.H. just throwing it out there that ads every 3 minutes is a bit much
0 likesThis video made me develop claustrophobia and I..... hate it
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0 likesi cant imagine how horrible was to die in that cave, alone in the dark thinking you were abandoned.
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Considering the timeline, I wonder if he might have heard their rescue dig attempt in his last couple days since they'd gotten somewhat close. But if he was delirious or out of it, possibly not. We can only imagine.
18 likes@Kektus He'd have heard the dynamite, but he would have been completely delusional from lack of food and water. He'd have had no concept of what the sounds meant. But when the light went out.... fuck man. I can't think of words to describe how I imagine that experience to be.
9 likesThe story of Floyd Collins has been told many times but this is by far the best telling I've heard.
1 like@25:00 I don't remember dropping acid
0 likesWhy this story is not filmed yet?
0 likesCan I use that "Tankmania" code on War Thunder as well? Because that is an objectively better game than WoT, and after watching this video I ofc deserve the free stuff.
0 likesI'm convinced internet historian is THE BEST storyteller on youtube. Period. Even the ads are extremely entertaining. When I started this video I looked at that daunting 1hr run time and thought maybe I would save it for later. 5mins in I was hooked and there was no way I was turning it off. God tier content.
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Same here, lol!
1 likeTrue. My gf and I watched it and she commented - this was terrible! Why did we even watch this, we lost 30 minutes on this. I said it was actuall 1h09mins and she was quite shocked. Internet Historian is just a master storyteller, there's no denying it. His stuff could easily be premiered in cinemas.
3 likesIt hurts me, but I have to disagree. The entire cast (IH, Wendigoon, ManyKudos and Ordinary Things for sure at least) are all the absolute best storytellers.
1 likeAgreed. I could also say the same of Lazerpig's channel. Check him out!
0 likesYa know, I usually don't go for hour-long videos, and coming in, I thought I'd take a break and come back to the video later. And then I sat through the entire thing.
0 likes@Hagrid Flower I love Wendigoon too, I was presently surprised to see his face terribly photoshopped onto Floyd 🤣
0 likesWhy am I reminded of Elden ring?
0 likesOkay, but if they were giving him food and drink, that means he would need to shit and piss… Poor guy died soiled in his own waste.
0 likesAmazing
0 likesStay out of caves yall
0 likesHonestly I was at the edge of my seat wondering what could happen next. The part where he asks the worker to stay despite knowing what would happen is one of my favorites since it shows the desperation this poor man felt. And let’s be honest wendigoon’s photo added 10x more sympathy to it.
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I'd say the dramatisation of that moment was a little bit of overkill. I don't think Floyd knew the cave was going to collapse? He just didn't want to be alone for another 24-48 hours without company or support.
12 likes@Pikosaur I mean, if he’d been caving his whole life, I would assume he could tell a cave-in was happening.
14 likes@Pikosaur you could be completely right but I like to dream
1 like@Pikosaur I think likely the worker (not the one near him, the one further back) was calling to his friend something like "Hurry up! This place is going to cave in any second!!" Whether it was meant literally or not, Floyd in his semi-delirious state took it as literal and panicked, resulting in his response.
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big sad, great video
1 likethis is why I do NOT go in caves. at all.
0 likesi would love to watch this video, but im unable to
0 likesWhat the fuck man, with that ending
0 likesI don't think I've even felt more secure in my life then whenever Gerald showed up on screen, he just oozed charisma and security.
612 likesI'm hearing Elden Ring Limgrave music at minute 46
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0 likesbruh where is the internet in this story?
0 likesAmazing work!
0 likeslifeweb moment
0 likes"I have faced death before; it doesn't frighten me; but it's so long." Absolutely heartbreaking in retrospective, something about that sentiment gets me
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Facts
2 likesWhat a tragically accurate quote.
18 likessecond time watching this video is awesomesauce
0 likesPlease do a video about Matt Hancock
0 likesnever even thought about him using the bathroom
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0 likesYeah but he wasn't eating or drinking much
0 likesthis seriously gave me anxiety
0 likesThe part where hes describing getting into the cave and Floyd getting stuck was the most dread and uncomfortable i have felt in a while.
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I almost had to pause it because I was actually feeling claustrophobic
21 likes@Brian Pacos yeah fr
5 likesMaybe you should give Ted the Caver a try. Quite a few creepy pasta readers have covered him.
3 likesI believe that story is half true. He's probably an actual caver, but the spooky stuff is fake.
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0 likesliterally this until the ad. after the ad it felt more like an actual internet historian vid. but the start is so fucking compelling its crazy
0 likes@sakaturaus yes that's the feeling I had too. Almost like I questioned am I watching a internet historian video.
0 likesI've had many nightmares where I was crawling in tight caves much like described in the video, and got stuck. No clue why, worst feeling, could hardly watch. All I know is, I'll never crawl through tight caves:P
1 likeThis man is windigoon
0 likesi liked the use of RDR2 music
0 likesSleep. Yell. Repeat.
0 likesThis is Coen’s Brothers movie waiting to be made.
0 likesI feel like I'm not seeing enough people talk about that genuinely terrifying nightmare sequence with the hands pulling Floyd under. I never expected that from an Internet Historian video.
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The part that stuck 2ith me is went fllyod said "I'm not afraid of death but it's so slow" as someone who has almost died twice in an ICU this is stuck with me.
66 likesPeople think death is quick and painless. Nope you don't choose how you die. It can be fast and painless or long and suffering.
@Saint-Izawa 伊澤😈 Fuck man, glad you’re still with us.
22 likes@Lord Moncef What are you on about? Guy almost died. Hush yo stuff.
14 likesyes
1 likeThis is a well-known story to the locals around Mammoth Cave, Kentucky, and when I went through, he was a bit of a local legend.
1 likeA cautionary tale about why you should stick to the caves that are marked as safe.
5 likesI read this before I saw it. Surely it can't be that bad, I thought. When I tell you I jumped and tried to physically back away from those hands-- I feel you it was horrifying! Historian could make bank on horror, yikes.
3 likesI came for funny history. I got basically creepypasta. I don't know why, but I still watched the whole thing.
0 likes"I need to gather money to dig my brother's corpse out of one hole, so I can put him in a different hole. This is really important for some reason."
0 likes2:40 skyrim flashbacks
0 likesMade in Abyss
0 likesI don’t understand why people are so stupid at such serious matters. Then I open TikTok and it hits me 😅
0 likes“‘Ding’, crack, darkness.”
493 likesThe absolute horror and tension these three words portrait is just masterful story-telling at its peak.
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The finality, the confident cosmic indifference, the deadpan statement of facts assuring the destruction of a human life. IH fucking nailed that line in it's delivery, and will always remain top tier for their voicework alone!
0 likesAmerican flipping dream story....
0 likeswtf I have claustrophobia now
0 likesIs this what The Simpsons when Bart fell down the well is based on?
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That was based on the Rescue of Jessica McClure, an infant who fell down a well
0 likes@pieman19 oh, thx
0 likesNot gonna lie, the world of tanks ad was the best part of the vid.
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0 likesI will never understand how youtubers are sometimes more capable of conveying suspense than multi-billion dollar movie studios. 5 minutes in and I could feel my heart beating hard. Unbelievable what you guys can do.
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because they give a sh*t
29 likes@WiseOldBill honestly on one hand im sure many people in bigger production are passionate aswell. On the other i know exactly what you mean.
9 likesNo corporation mandate, doesn't need to extend it much after about 1 hour. Alot of horror things on YouTube are usually about 20mins max most the time. No need to make you feel attached to characters that often, no need for sequel bait. Films will do interesting horror parts but before and after are typically boring so no need. Also having tension for a full film is super challenging borderline impossible since the body can only feel so much before getting bored. Like a film of constant pop ups, after about 2 you don't really care anymore
2 likesWatch it in very slow motion to see the frames when they flash "You Must Watch This To The End", "World Of Tanks", "You Must Watch The Internet Historian", "Keep Watching", etc. on the screen. They also had those solid Blood Red Frames first used on the original theatrical cut of the movie Psycho. This video even kept my cat's interest until she heard a life flight helicopter landing at the hospital and ran to the window to make her "ack ack, ack ack, ack ack" noise. She makes this noise when ever there is a taste moth, bird or other prey she wants to catch and eat...
1 likeIt's because it's got his own style to it and he's so amazingly charismatic. Companies do not think like a person because overt opinions can 'offend' people and is hence bad for business, better to stick to think that everyone agrees on (which Is for example why the LGBT and the African American community gets talked about and celebrated so much in their respective months) but he isn't bound by corporate logic and can take risks a company never would
0 likesI think a lot of it is volume and consumability. You can watch 6 10 minute youtube videos in an hour basically nonstop from your phone. A lot of youtube is unwatchable and can be skipped seconds in. The real question is why studio execs aren't paying people like the historian to produce movies. A slightly higher budget gentleman pirate would print money.
1 like@WiseOldBill no it’s not just that, it’s just that YouTubers like IH and others are not constricted by executives who worry more about the Chinese market not being happy with black people appearing than a good story…
0 likesMany YouTubers have complete creative control and that’s still very rare in Hollywood. So it’s interesting how PS cutouts can make you feel more than many big budget movies nowadays lol
because humans tell stories, not a studio or dollars, it only makes it easier, but at the same time if you have every tool available it can be harder to figure out which one to use to tell a story, so it can be harder to be creative. source
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Because the difference between a few people on a Youtube channel and multi-billion dollar movie studios is like the difference in this story between Homer, the journalist, and the firefighter vs. that military officer and the governor who just threw a bunch of money and equipment at the problem.
0 likes@AvocadoAddict i think they're more worried about how they can pay lipservice to "diversity" in spite of it not being very profitable. Especially in their biggest market, china.
0 likesRings of power aint got shit on this.
0 likesNo studio interference, full creative control, unlimited timeframe... tho tbf this is a real story, he's only relaying facts, that takes out a big chunk of the creative effort imo lol
0 likesLook up auteur theory lol. One mans vision is better than 100 executives, that’s why movies suck now.
0 likes@High Definition he has his own style which he’s perfected and is now expanding the limits of. This was definitely a huge Step beyond what he’s made before I wonder where it goes next tho
0 likes@Michael Scott-Joynt the diggers almost got him out lol
0 likesBecause modern-day Hollywood is full of diversity hires and nepotism, not actual talent.
1 like@Jimmy R Rings of power hasn't shit on anything but the grave of Tolkien
1 likeYou should next cover Nutty Putty cave & the tragedy that happened.
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0 likes6:41 ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)nice
0 likesI’m very claustrophobic so this is probably the worst thing for me
0 likesThis feels like a Hollywood feature film and the fact that we are watching it for free boggles my mind
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Don't give him any ideas
20 likesbut we watch hollywood movies for free too...piracy lifee
26 likesFilm needs to be 90 minutes to be considered a full feature release. This is the straight to DVD sequel you find at Redbox.
8 likesThere’s actually an old Kirk Douglas movie, called ‘Ace in the Hole,’ where he plays a newspaper reporter who talks to & tries to help a man buried in a cave. It’s directed by Billy Wilder & from what I can recall, it was really good. I haven’t seen it in 35+ years, but I can still remember several scenes. The guy in the cave in dies at the end & there’s a huge carnival like atmosphere outside the cave. I’d have to imagine that this was the event on which the movie was based.
12 likesJust shut up please.
0 likesThere's an old, 50's movie called "Ace in the Hole" that's incredibly similar to this story (maybe inspired by the event? It's almost identical) It's an absolute, 10/10 classic. Highly reccommend.
5 likesthat's why I'm watching it on a big cinema screen in VR
0 likesIt only worked out great as a movie narrative because of how IH covered it, I was actually privy to this story from another YouTuber and their coverage of it was somber all the way through.
2 likesno less than 20 ads and I'm halfway
0 likes@Golden Age of Dinosaurs fun fact, Ace in the Hole was an unauthorized version of Floyd Collins' story and there was some lawsuit while they were working on the script.
4 likesI use YouTube premium, he probably gets 0.000001 cents from me
0 likesIt's more entertaining too imho
0 likesIt's not free, we all gave this man an hour of our lives. Seeing how this video will garner millions of views, it will cost the world millions of hours of time; time that could have been used to solve climate change and perhaps even save the whales. By partaking in this free edutainment, we are neglecting the world and that's why I think Internet Historian should be blamed for global warming.
1 likepay up then
0 likesbro prob pissed and shidded himself 💀💀💀💀💀
0 likesThe afermath of this poor man's fate is disgusting. People can be so despicable!
1 likethis isnt internet history!!111
0 likes29:49 yooo isn't that Uncle Rusty ?!
0 likesMiller is an inspiration to Journalists like me. ABOVE AND BEYOND. Even with misplaced intentions in the beginning, he became so passionate and empathetic for Floyd. Getting his message out, while spending so much time with a man who couldn’t move.
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I think the first true hint to his character was when he first got to the squeeze. Where almost every single person but Floyd's own brother had turned back before, this man felt so ashamed at the idea of turning back knowing there was a man on the other side, that he pushed through despite his own fear. His own moral code spoke louder than his biggest primal fears. The mark of a man of true character.
117 likesNot to mention his refusal of the sellout offer after the fact really outlined his moral character and commitment to the intrinsic rewards of journalism.
69 likesMay Mr. Miller be... immortalized even more than he is, in the way that Internet Historian videos offer their subjects.
10 likesMore like: Above and below 😅
9 likesgreat freaking video
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I watch true crime and horror movies almost everyday, and this is one of the few times I don’t think I can finish something. That cave zoom out made me nauseous
0 likeswow! just wow
0 likesGerald was on his king shit.
0 likesaverage hiking trip in ohio
0 likesThis was definitely a masterpiece like always but I can't believe I spent an hour praying for a man who fell into a hole 100 years ago only to find out he would not be rescued
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This.
15 likes@José Francisco Pascoli de Andrade is
7 likes@Dwight D. Eisenhower Sparta.
7 likes@Félix Lemieux * kick *
2 likesThis is definitely one of the scariest concepts.
2 likesI've just learrned not to read comments before watching
5 likesThis is why you don't read comments
0 likesYouTube has been aggressively pushed to me by the algorithm for about 3 weeks now. I hope it has led me well...
0 likesThe fact that Miller, the poor reporter turned down $1 million for his story, but the dentist abandon all morality for a quick buck disturbing the dead really says something
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Miller is a real one he didint even know the guy yet he was one of the only few people to dare go into the squeeze and for context another user wrote this in these comments
0 likes"Two things people also gotta realize: The Turnaround Room isn't really a room. It's a widening of the tunnel that collapses to the 9 inch gap. It's just big enough to get your bearings, decide which way you want to go in, or turn back. It's not a 10 foot tall room that you can stretch your legs in preparation to go into the squeeze.
The other thing: The squeeze didn't allow you to change directions. The video makes it look like you can go in head-first, turn around at the 10 foot drop, then go down feet first. You have to decide if you want to go in head first or feet first. It's then 20 feet to the drop. Floyd went in feet first to clear it out then got stuck. His brother went in head first to clean out the rubble, then had to climb up the 10 foot drop BACKWARDS! "
Just imagine going trough all that MULTIPLE times for some random guy that you have never heard of before it is seriously worth all the respect that he got and alot more and then after all taht he didint even take the money meaning he did it and did not care about a reward
Lord of the flies story
0 likesI just read an article about Miller retelling some of his encounter with this rescue. Apparently, the first time he braved the cave, he had to navigate the cave tunnels WITHOUT a light for most of it. Homer accompanied him for some of the journey, but the rest had to be done in the dark. The passage to Floyd was way tighter for a longer distance than the video visuals imply. This is a direct excerpt from it:
516 likes"At the very beginning it was necessary to get down on hands and knees. We were in an ooze and slime. The way was downward, not sharply at first, but gradual. Soon Homer and the others turned back and without a light, we butted here and there before finding which way the winding, twisting pathway led. Now it was necessary to get down on my stomach and slide and squirm along, using elbows, and toes to propel me—and occasionally to slow up when I slid along too quickly. In some spots the ooze and slime made a toboggan slide of the passage.
Before I knew it I reached a sharp incline and could not break my speed. The incline made an elbow turn and I caromed head-first against some wet mass. It groaned and moved."
Miller literally slammed into Floyd with his full weight. I love this video as is, but I really wish you put this part in the video!
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Wish he had but honestly, he gets pretty much everything wrong in this video. Don't beleive it definitively. I made a video myself recently where I'm talking about a ton of shit he got wrong in it if anyone's interested.
5 likes@C Porter You don't need to shit on someone else's project to promote your own video. If you read the disclaimer at the start it says: "The following is satire and journalistic in nature." He's likely aware of the historical inaccuracies, and cut some stuff down to make it easier to put into one story-time video like this - especially when it comes to the visuals, which would've been really hard to make as it is.
114 likesDetails get lost and muddled in 100 years too, I've read many articles with conflicting points, it's hard to know which one is true, your video may have inaccuracies too as far as you're concerned. I'm not watching your video, solely because I've seen you self advertise it by only shitting on Internet Historian, calling this video "garbage" and whatnot. I don't care about its accuracy - it's also for entertainment. This is basically a 'based on a true story' scenario, films do it all the time. This isn't a BBC documentary, chill out.
@Nabzarella Dare You don't have any idea what journalistic means if you think a video that has literally EVERY source that he uses disagreeing with what he's saying. My own videos' purpose is made in response to this garbage that he made here. You can only use the Satire excuse to a certain extent, and when he presents everything in a way that's supposed to be believable and cinematic, especially for such an obviously obscure story, that line has been crossed.
8 likesBBC's Documentaries, from the ones I've seen aren't great themselves. If you don't wanna watch my video that's fine. but just know going forward that any time you eventually do find something you care about being treated as horribly as he is, if you call someone out for it, you're making yourself be a hypocrite.
@C Porter Literally EVERY source? Get the fuck outta here, bro. I've seen sources so close to this video's script that I've seen people accuse IH of ripping off said source. Including the script of Scary Interesting's video and some other article/s. They likely just used the same public sources. You're exaggerating. And yes, you CAN use Satire to this extent. This is a YouTube video, you need to chill. It is a dramatised version of a historical event. Do you stand up during the stage musical of this story too and be like "This isn't accurate! Watch my YouTube video!"
74 likesAgain, even reading mutiple articles on the story confuses a lot of details. The weight of the rock (for example) changes all the damn time from source to source. Getting some shit wrong and/or changing things around to fit an easy, cohesive narrative (that doesn't go for 2 hours), and to help make the visual reprentation easier to understand/make; was kinda inevitable.
I'm quite passionate about the story of the Titanic, I've seen endless videos and even films getting facts wrong all over the place. I only get mildly annoyed when it's done blatantly disrespectfully, like clickbaity thumbnails showing a photoshopped skeleton with an obnoxious arrow pointed at it like "THeY FoUNd The CaPTaiN!" (even though the Captain's body was never recovered and never will be). Which I don't think this video did with Floyd Collins, even if YOU think so. It still got most people invested in the story, and had people empathizing with Floyd and his demise, the way it's supposed to be. I've seen many reaction videos as proof of this. All the main points are present here, and that's all you really need. Because of that, I DO NOT care about the nitpicky historical details he got wrong. Just like I don't care about the details that James Cameron's Titanic film got wrong, it got the point across just fine - just like this video did, and this video got me interested in a story I had never even heard of. You running around going "MY VidEo BEttuR!" in his video's comment section isn't going to make people respect yours over his, it's likely to have the opposite effect, but go off I guess. It's kinda ironic you're shitting on this video, while you're using it to benefit yourself.
@C Porter What type of stuff did they get wrong?
24 likes@C Porter From one C Porter to another... you're full of crap.
0 likes@Nabzarella Dare just look at his fucking sources then and see it for yourself! The amount of hypocrisy prevalent in your comment is incredible. You're passionate of the Titanic, but somehow can't see that it's a really shitty thing to do when someone fucks up the history and doesn't care about it? That must mean that you're either diluted or not really passionate about it at all. And yes, it is literally every source that he used. Instead of pretending like you know what you're saying, how about you actually put your money where your mouth is and look into shit yourself? You even admit that you realize he is likely plagiarizing, but you're still yelling at me? What the actual fuck kind of logic is that? You spend 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video right now and believing all of it without even trying to fact check anything, but you can't even be bothered to do the same for someone who has already done all of the legwork for you. This ain't just the "nitpicky details", but everything from why he's even at Sand Cave in the first place, to when he leaves it. Which IH presents it as if he was trapped in there for 50 years, when it's painfully obvious from even one simple fucking Google search that he wasn't.
0 likesObviously I'm not going to do that at a play or musical because that's not the type of content that you can even respond with without looking like a crazy person. YouTube is the perfect platform to do this sort of thing with since it's videos, but you can't seriously think I'm the first one to make a response video, do you? How about when Brightside or someone else puts some retardation up about Titanic? You do realize there's a full community for people who call them out on their bullshit, because they know there are other people who actually believe this and believe that those people know what they're talking about, right? Internet historian is not one of those channels like Brightside which usually puts out shit like that, and has a history of generally being right, so of course next to nobody will fact check and just blindly believe it. Just like you apparently.
You're want me to chill out and you pretend like you don't care, but you've been more hostile then I have so obviously you do. What I'm doing isnt ironic, it's 100% honest. Of course I benefit from this, my vdeo is literally about the shit he got wrong, so where the hell else would it make sense for me to talk about it? But It's clear to me you just can't stand to see an influencer you love be called out critically, even if the person is right, which you won't even see for yourself.
@Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname watch the vid and see, it's out now. Can't post links cause YouTube will mark the comment as spam.
0 likes@Caleb Porter(Edit: it appears they deleted their comment with this. It said "from one C Porter to another... you are full of crap" )
0 likesFrom a Chase Porter to a Caleb Porter: stop embarrassing us, look into what I'm saying, and use that Porter brain of yours. I've already done all the legwork for you. You spent 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video here, so you can certainly use 2/3 of that time watching mine, and see my receipts showing the reality of what I said. Instead of posting this horsecrap.
@C Porter Still not watching your tantrum disguised as a video, bruh. But how would you like it if I trolled your comment section and replied to people like "This video is boring and angry, go watch IH's video, it's way more entertaining!"? Pretty shitty move, honestly.
0 likesI DID go out and check out sources on this event, hence my comment that you replied to! I wouldn't have done that if it weren't for this video. Just like I wouldn't have gotten interested in the history of Titanic if it weren't for the film/s, even though they got some facts wrong. As you can see by my comment, I found an inaccuracy in the video based on Miller's first expedition to Floyd by fact checking a different source...and yet, I DIDN'T have a complete angry spazz about IH getting that part wrong, because it's not that deep, bro.
And LOL at the "You're not a REAL Titanic fan if you don't have a spazz at every video that gets details incorrect!" Nice bit of gatekeeping you did there. No, I've just got better things to do. I also understand that after a certain amount of time, stories like this; reach a certain legend status where facts get lost and mixed up - thanks to the 100+ year long game of Telephone and cognitive dissonance they go through, it's inevitable, and not worth crying about. Every historical event goes through this.
I acknowledge fully that he's gotten details wrong, I never actually debated you on that - my point is that IT DOESN'T MATTER as much as you think it does. This is a DRAMATIZED version of real events. Just like the musical. This video is told with a literal narrator holding a book like a story, with prose and characters talking! With a reel at the end with all the actors who portrayed each person in the story, also with a disclaimer that says it's satire and journalistic in nature. It's clearly not intended as a straight-cut documentary. Just like countless films on World Wars, historical figures, natural disasters etc. Christ. The correct emotion was portrayed well, better than most videos I've seen on this topic. Probably portrayed better than your video too, despite your intention to 'show more respect' by correcting IH, when really you're just butthurt and I'm guessing your video reflects that anger...and only that anger. An assumption? Yes, but given your tone toward this whole thing, it's more like an educated guess.
@Nabzarella Dare "it doesn't matter", "who cares" and "it's not supposed to be accurate, it's just a video" are literally the weakest arguments that I've come across. Because they aren't even arguments. It's just plainly admitting that you don't have any knowledge of the situation, you don't care to acknowledge the situation either; and not that you actually understand what is being said to you. You keep on coming at this at the angle that I'm getting mad about some shit like James Cameron in his 1997 film, which actually tried to portray the events of what happened to Titanic correctly for the time, minus putting a love story in there. Meanwhile with IH here, since you claim that you have looked at the sources yourself, and not just one or two articles at the top of the search results for Floyd Collins on Google, then you should already know that the things that he gets wrong are not minor details (well there are some, but idgaf about those for a video like this, because nobody is asking for 100% ever.), but instead major details that affect the entire narrative of the story.
3 likesLike how Floyd's caving contributions have changed the face of the entire Speleological discipline of Science with his exploration of Crystal Cave and his theories about caving which is literally the entire reason that he is at Sand Cave in the first place--two entirely different caves that Floyd was directly part of, which Internet Historian decides to pretend doesn't exist and instead have Floyd being reburied in Sand Cave until the 1980s; shows Lee to be a shitty father that doesn't care about his son or anybody enough to knowingly sign away his body as a tourist attraction; showing Skeets himself at first to be just another Ssensation-seeking journalist looking for a story like how Kurt Douglas' character does it in Ace In The Hole (1951 Floyd Collins inspired movie), who wanted to make a name for himself and for the paper; how Sand Cave was on the Collins' family property which somehow was 200 acres big, and then contradicts himself on this later in the video. when he says that Bee Doyle owned the property, which is reality. I could go on, but I bet you already have this delusion that everything I've stated here is somehow still minor details that for some reason you won't actually explain why, don't matter.
The Floyd Collins Musical has more effort, research, accurate portrayal of Floyd and others, humor, and RESPECT put into it than this video ever will. Adam Guettel consulted actual widely known historical research published (and freely accessible online right now for you to read) by expert caver Roger Brucker and historian Robert Murray who both spend half a decade researching into Floyd profusely and exhaustively just to make sure that yellow journalism--like featured all throughout Man In Cave--would be properly identified as bullshit. Just like how I referred to their research in my video.
This whole "Satire" argument is as weak now as it was back in 2016 for LeafyIsHere fans who justifies all that horrible shit he was doing under that word. You and others have the same 5 arguments, which apart from the ones listed earlier in my comment also include "the guy purposely went into a cave. He doesn't deserve any respect or accuracy" and "It's only a small even in history, plus it was 100 years ago, so it doesn't matter." The ladder argument I'm sure you've come across in your time as a fellow Titanic fan, unless you're incredibly new to it still.
Yeah, you going into my comment sections in doing that would not only be a shitty move, but a dumb as shit one as well! Considering my video's literal purpose all the way down to the title itself makes it incredibly clear that it's sole purpose is to correct IH's misinformation. So it'd make you look like just one of the tons of others who are wailing "Delete your channel, shit video, you're just a clout chaser. Admit it, you know you liked this video anyways lmelfao"
At the end of the day, you refuse to watch my video and automatically assume it's nothing but a "tantrum". I can't control that. And you refuse to look into stuff more than a basic google search or two of results, which i also can't control. But the reality of the situation is, you haven't even tried at all to see how things really are. I have. I've gone far out of my way to show you and others that. Some people just don't want to admit their wrong because of pride or whatever I guess. You're just one of those people it seems. So i got no reason to continue talking to a brick wall. I tried.
@C Porter I actually was aware of most of those details IH left out or changed, but none of them affected the emotion of the story to me. I've seen other straight-cut, matter-of-fact videos about this story, none of them had me invested like this one did. None of them made me care about Floyd's plight like this one did, DESPITE the inaccuracies. That's what matters to me. Even if it doesn't to you. And again, a lot of details would've needed to be cut down or simplified for time and to make the visuals easier to make. And again, dramatized.
16 likesJames Cameron's Titanic was accurate as far as ship details go, but it certainly wasn't accurate to a lot of the real life people on board. And yet, the weight of the tragedy still gets across just fine. Accuracy isn't everything.
Bro, I ain't mad that you made a response video to IH's vid, that's fine. It was your tone and your advertising that really turned me off, and based on the likes I've gotten from my replies to you; I'm not the only one you've alienated with your hostile approach. You could've made a calm, respectful rebuttal to this video (and advertised it as such) and you would've acheived the exact same thing, except more people would actually respect you for it - but nah, you had to go full frothing at the mouth like: "thIs ViDeO iS GaRBaGe, WatCH MiNE!" I'm all for correcting misinformation, but you came off as an asshole, and I don't support that. I don't want you to take your channel/video down, just don't be a dick about it. Your video could've been a nice compliment to this one, IH's video for the emotional entertainment, yours could've been for the info hub. But, no. You had to stamp your feet and tell people who tell you to chill that they're 'just ignorant to the truth'.
But yes, let's stop this carousel of pointlessness. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
@Nabzarella Dare really? Using your likes to say you're right? I forgot about this thread's existence for 12 days, if I would have continued it immediately things would have been very different. Plus it's practically unavoidable to have a different tone whenever you're advertising something of this nature anyways.
0 likes@C Porter You are just wrong and your video is boring, uninteresting and poorly made.
0 likes@Guglielmo Borzoni boring maybe to some, I'm not wrong but it won't stop you guys from saying that I am, even though I've literally backed up every single thing I've said with actual sources to a scholarly and truly journalistic degree , but poorly made? oh please. My video was expertly crafted, but obviously not every single person on here, including you especially, don't have amazing editing programs and experience to make something on the visual level as IH.
0 likes@C Porter a different tone is easy, try: "This video was entertaining and well made. However, there are inaccuracies which I talk about in one of my own videos. I recommend you watch it if you care about the facts."
29 likesI'm not going to click on your video because your attitude really puts me off. It would kind of ruin the video knowing the person behind it is a bit of an ahole. Dont ruin your image if you want to advertise to people
@Nade yeah but that's the thing though, it wasn't well made in any way apart from basic visual and audio. The actual content of it, which is the message and the details AKA the historical front, which is literally the point of making a video such as this; it is incredibly inaccurate. I would be the a-hole to a lot of other people if I didn't properly tell folks how bad it was. There's no denying it, Man In Cave has major problems with it that needed to actually be addressed. It's not just "some" inaccuracy, it is the full length of it and how it is presented. This is the most basic information about Floyd Collins that he got wrong. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. This is to the point that even history textbooks in high school and college levels get more right about Floyd than this video does. Even putting it as nicely here in this comment without cursing or perceivably emotional language wouldn't make my message any different, and would only make it so that less people could actually understand what I'm saying.
0 likesI also have a hard time believing that you or Darer would watch the video if I had said my first comment differently anyways, since you put up so much protest already, instead of taking even more time than the length of Man In Cave itself by trying to defend your choice of doing nothing.
@C Porter I said it was well made as in constructed, put together, edited, video, audio etc. I didn't say well researched which is what you have a problem with (I havent done enough research to agree or disagree).
0 likesYou can tell other people it's wrong sure, but its the way you've said it that people have a problem with. I don't see why telling people it's wrong automatically makes you an ahole, for some reason you've linked the two in your head when I literally gave you an example of how to politely/nicely/constructively do that instead. I guarantee if you worded it differently people wouldnt have a big issue with it. And they would understand even without strong language/emotion obviously, providing they speak English. Sometimes you need tact, finesse, style especially if you're persuading people to do something (like click on your vid or do their own research)
I dont see why you have a hard time believing that I would have watched your vid. I honestly would have, I care about facts quite a lot. The phrase "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" comes to mind, and for that reason, I wont click on your channel, I would much rather research it myself. Who wants to watch a video knowing the person behind the camera is unpleasant, it spoils the video, I legitimately wouldnt enjoy it whereas I may have before reading your comment.
I also don't see where I "put up protest". I replied with a comment explaining why your approach is bad. I wasn't even talking about the videos themselves, thats fair play if IH got it wrong, I'm explaining to you that coming off in that way is deleterious to your motivations of educating people and or getting views. If you don't want to listen to me thats fine, but its helpful advice. Your second paragraph seems quite argumentative so I will humour you with this long grammatical post
@Nade You may not see it as wrong for me to tell people it's wrong, but that doesn't mean others will and have. Saying: "if you worded it differently people wouldnt have a big issue with it. And they would understand even without strong language/emotion obviously, providing they speak English" as much as I wish it were true, this whole expirience since Sept 29th has made it abundantly clear that this simply naive on a large scale, or maybe just for a community that surrounds IH. Even elsewhere where I start the convo and mentioning it a lot more tamely, things go similarly to this. So what's the point of "putting it gently" (my words, not yours) with finess and getting the same result? Also too, showing my frustration here is better anyways, as it arguably prepares the viewer for the nature of my video, which is at the end of the day, a very critical look into Man In Cave. Sure I'm much tamer over there, but my message and conclusions are the same over here.
0 likesThese comments are in reply to it is the example of putting up a protest. But if you want to do your own research, than go ahead. I can give you all my sources if you want, but I'll do that in another comment since there are so many. If you truly do your own research--and not just a couple of google searches--then you will likely come across these same resources but after reading through a shit ton of other stuff.
Just like Nabzarella, at this point all you've done is say "I'm not watching it because your shitting on IH by talking about it" effectively. Even though that's the whole point of my video, calling him out on wrongs in his video. You can't effectively be doing that without throwing around a cold hard truth within it. It's easy to find out. A great news story needs a good headline which shows the truth of the article in a simpler fashion. Likewise for a paragraph synopsis talking about A 50 Minute long video like here. But through this comment argument, I've explained more of the video than probably necessary even, and you still won't look at it. So again, what's the point? Especially when in your eyes, i've irreversibly destroyed any possibility of you doing so it seems.
@C Porter Not true, you chose to be a dick about IH's video, you're alienating people all on your own, bud. There was clearly no malice intended on IH's end, but there definitely is on yours. And the like ratio has nothing to do with you not answering for days, my first reply to you got way more support than your initial comment, despite being there for roughly the same amount of time. Not to mention the most recent one by Nade which already has more upvotes than your initial reply, even though it's only 6 hours old. And they are another example of someone who doesn't want to watch your video solely because of your hostile approach. You don't want to take constructive criticism? I can't change that. I can't talk to a brick wall, I tried lol
0 likes@Nabzarella Dare Edit: looks like they deleted their comment associated with this.
0 likesGoing back into the hypocrisy again are we? There's been absolutely nothing constructive about your criticism this whole time, and my original comment isn't even that bad compared to the stuff that you've been saying to me this whole time. You haven't tried at all to see my reasoning, and it's not my fault that a bunch of other people who can't see it either just so happen to support your comments. You've done everything you possibly can to ignore what I'm saying and justify not watching just because you don't wanna hear any other opinion apart from your own or something that's part of the IH praise echo chamber. I'm done with your bullshit.
@C Porter the point of putting it gently is to get more views. I know that would happen because I use myself as an example. I would have watched it, I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Thing is you will notice the negative comments way more than the increase in views. The IH defender fan boys will always leave comments regardless, and you will get mostly negative comments since most people wouldnt take the time to recognise you're doing a service to people and leave a nice comment. But the difference between the two is one way gets you more views
10 likesAs for protest once again I'm not going to debate you about who's wrong or not. I'm not an IH defender, and it's great when people call each other out for misinformation, so I have no problem with that. My original comment wasn't of protest but of advice, don't alienate your viewers.
That last paragraph illustrated what I'm talking about. You refer to what you are doing at least in some capacity as shitting on IH. thing is, he hasn't done anything to warrant that. His disclaimer at the beginning combined with the fact that he hasn't even denied it yet, he's not even said "no I am actually right" means instead you should have given constructive criticism. That's the crux of my point. Constructive criticism. And yes I have ruled out clicking on your video because I think it would be unpleasant to watch based on how you come across and your apparent reluctance/ineffectiveness at giving constructive criticism where the alternative of giving mean comments isn't warranted
@Nade the comments I've given out I've only been in reply to one's given to me in this thread. Not started by you, but by others before you who can talk a lot without really saying anything of substance.
1 likeI can get where you're coming from to some degree, but getting views is a lot more complicated than how someone makes a comment. There's the algorithm, there's tags, natural subscribers, and other things too, I stopped advertising this after the first day of it posting, because I did what I sent out to do, and I understand that because of my channel size and just the nature of what I'm doing will make this video not very popular or well seen. As much as I would love 1 million views or even a 12th of that, it's just unrealistic.
Yeah his disclaimer at the beginning says "this is satire and journalistic by nature", which is extremely loose in this context. Mainly because of there being a little to no actual journalistic Integrity if you look at his sources, all of them will disagree with, or will never address the things said about (apart from quotations) a lot of the major events that he talks about here. Leaving only the satire, which in only a couple parts such as Floyd's body sailing through the air, or the sex jokes that some sections. So everything else there, where he gets stuff wrong, there's no satire involved with it in these areas, and purely false information, which again if you look at his sources for the things, none of which will actually show it. Which means that he knowingly looked at these sources and decided to use them for credibility, but if theyre fact-checked, really damages his own credibility. Not to mention all the other stuff that he has no listed sources for, which has never been stated anywhere, such as how Crystal Cave ( the cave that Floyd actually discovered before Sand, which he explored immensely and was where he was actually buried with the glass coffin in) was just another name for Sand Cave. That's just one of many examples. So yes, he has entirely warranted this. And there really is nothing to say constructively when nothing has been given for the opportunity. If he had really tried to make it accurate, there would be an overflowing abundance of constructive criticism from me, and I wouldn't even be making these comments threads like I am. They would be much more like the way you want them to be.
Perhaps this would be easier for you to understand in an analogy. Pretend I'm a history professor, and IH is a student writing a finals paper about this. As per usual with these things, you have to use Research into what you write, and list the sources that you have, and have to write the paper and away that tells the subject how it truly was. Not to mention how since this is a finals paper, you have ample time given to work on this assignment, oftentimes the entire semester/course itself. So when IH turns in a paper that doesn't list many sources for it, and it's clear to have information present in it that isn't supported by the sources he does list, not to mention are fictitious. Even though the picturesque writing and storytelling is done fantastically, and there is some humorous sections in it, it doesn't do much for the grade since that wasn't the assignment. And IH gets a 65%, failing grade. This is a finals paper, and it's the last assignment and it has been turned in, so constructive criticism would be useless since there isn't going to be a rewrite, but there will be feedback nonetheless so that he understands what he did wrong. Just like every other student, he is graded fairly and accurately. If he or someone else is upset about it, they had a full class to come and ask for help, or rewrite sections to do a better job. But they chose the irresponsible decision to turn it in as is. Regardless of if it's because of the deadline or if it's because of they were truly struggling with it, that doesn't change the requirements of the assignment not being met.
@C Porter keep crying, kid, your vid is an obscurity and will remain below a 10k view mark
6 likes@The Tempted Man no shit, just said that in my last comment. Keep acting like you can't read.
0 likes@C Porter nobody will read multiple a4 of your tears.
3 likes@The Tempted Man the hell are you on about a4? You made it this far, so you've obviously read a lot.
3 likes@C Porter nope. You think too much of yourself.
7 likes@The Tempted Man I don't think too much myself, but you, like many others I've seen thus far clearly don't give enough of a shit about anything to care either way. So why are you even commenting?
0 likes@C Porter man i don't care if your video are lore accurate or whatever your attitude don't deserve a view you just barge in and call other people video shit instead of explain what he missing Also i can't find said video on your chanel because it just full of random crap
0 likes@This Skrub well obviously you're not even looking in the first place so that's why you're not finding it. I posted only 5 videos since this came out. And secondly I HAVE explained in here a lot of what's wrong with it in many comments now, so open your damned eyes. Just because you can't handle the fact that people deserve to be called out for their shit, and that I actually want to do you guys a favor by letting you know that, doesn't mean that I'm wrong.
0 likes@C Porter A word of advice if you're aiming to make videos on the internet (or just communicate in general): the way we say things often says more than the words themselves.
1 likeNo one is going to be receptive to your message if it is delivered too lengthily or in an overly argumentative tone that detracts from your main point.
@Lorenzo Westling I hear you, but everything I said in that first, as well as in the replies have been 100% accurate, and anyone can fact check it and see for themselves it really is so. To give a far more lengthy comment as to the reality would be too lengthy for most. But instead what basically everybody has done it's just a bitch about my tone, wasting their time entirely instead of just taking me on my word of it, which they--and you it seems--are promising that they would have already if it hadn't been for my tone. All it is at the end of the day is a cop-out and a lame excuse for not actually looking into things. Considering if it was somebody else of prominence that had replied in the comments, like IH himself or someone else whos big saying this, we all know that everybody would have followed it without a second thought.
0 likes@C Porter c porter
0 likes@Koos van Vugt forget to type your comment all the way through?
0 likes@C Porter no, I just wanted to acknowledge that you are here
0 likes@Koos van Vugt Interesting how you take enough time to do that, but cant even give significantly less time it takes to watch Man In Cave to understand the reality behind the widely fictitious account of Floyd Collins that IH tells. You made it clear in your other comments elsewhere that you can't be bothered to care about what you watch if it's not the most amazingly cinematic thing out there.
0 likes@C Porter to be honest, it was late at night and I was a little sleepy, and I said "c porter" out loud in a very whiny voice and I just wanted to share that
1 like@C Porter to be frank, i was actually interested in what really happened in the story and what got improperly portrayed, but the way your script was written, the way you communicated the information and the way it felt to have such a grudge towards internet historian really threw me off being interested any more
1 like@Koos van Vugt It takes more than 2 minutes to watch a video that's 49 minutes long. Yes there's a grudge against him, the whole video is called "Internet Historian Is Wrong About Floyd Collins", and if you watch it, you should be able to see why I'm pissed at him. But everything despite my attitude, is backed up by damning facts and actual sourcing that agrees with that's being said, unlike the handful of sources which pretty much support nothing but the quotations he uses. Everything else his sources show entirely conflict in one way or another.
0 likes@C Porter I'm not going to watch your video. I simply dont share the passion you have for the subject, and so won't most of 8 million views who saw this video. I gave you the reasons why I didn't watch your video. Getting criticism is a hard thing to come by, as most people will just say nothing and move on. You can argue and write essay comments all day, it's not going to convince an audience to watch your videos. I'dd suggest to channel all the criticism you're receiving into change and betterment for your projects in the future.
1 like@Koos van Vugt The only essays I'm writing are in response to people like you and others who initiate it. But Fair point on that. It'd probably be a better use of my time anyways. Honestly I don't really plan on doing another video of this nature anytime soon though. If the subject were anything else really I probably wouldn't have made the video in the first place. But what's done is done, and whether or not you watch it ultimately won't have much of a hold. same as for everyone else. But just know that IH's video has many plotholes and drastic inaccuracies in it, as well as a major misrepresentation of the facts. Essentially, take his video with a cup full of salt.
0 likes"I have faced death before;
1001 likesit doesn't frighten me;
but it is so long."
That phrase shatters my heart. His time in that cave was so long and his death was so slow and agonizing... rest in peace, buddy.
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nay he was talking about how annoyingly long it was
3 likes@YouNeedHealing you mean yay
1 likeWould've been cooler and much more humanizing if the entirety of his words were put in this video. The following is still simplified for readers in 1925, with slight changes to the wording, but has the full thought and context:
18 likes"Monday was the first day when strangers came back to me. I kept working around, whenever I felt strong enough, thinking I could twist myself free. But each time I could hear pebbles falling into the deep hole right behind me. It caused me to shudder. I kept thinking what would happen if the rock above me would fall. I kept trying to drive my mind to something else, but it wasn’t much use … I couldn’t do much to help those who came to help me, but I knew a lot of people were willing to do all in their power. This gave me courage. ... “Tuesday morning,” I thought to myself. “Four days down here and no nearer to freedom than I was the first day. How will it end? Will I get out or—” I couldn’t think of it. I have faced death before. It doesn’t frighten me. But it is so long. Oh God be merciful! ... I want you to tell everybody outside that I love every one of them and I’m happy because so many are trying to help me. Tell them I am not going to give up: That I am going to fight and be patient and never forget them. You go out now, but don’t leave me too long. I want you with me and I’ll keep helping all I can to move some of this rock.”
-Floyd Collins, Associated Press reprint of Skeet's Miller's report in The Louisville Courier-Journal, Feb 4th, 1925.
What a rollercoaster. I went from "He's gonna die" to "HE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE?! :O" so, SO many times. Incredible story, if only floyd was more careful with that goddamn lantern, if only he didn't step on that stone, if only the crowd hadn't gathered, if only the diggers were faster. Such horror, What a rollercoaster, Absolutely worth An hour and 9 minutes of my life. also it scares me that he was trapped in that cave for over 60 years, the cave really didn't want him free
103 likesDamn, that's some impressive amount of effort for an hour long free documentary video on youtube, you never disappoint my man, job well done as always! And can I say your narration of the cave passage is so detailed it gives me second-hand claustrophobia, just horrible in a good way.
56 likes4 minutes into the drama, i see ive got another hour or so and my claustrophobia kicks into overdrive.
27 likesStill this is some damn good storytelling
This gave me more adrenaline than 99% of movies and gave me a panic attack, well done, holy.
16 likesThis video is so well made. I’ve never watched your videos before and I expected something different from this, like a commentary or a creepy pasta or something, but man this was so much better.
9 likesIf I had seen this in a movie or read this in a book, I would accuse it of being too unbelievable to be a good story. Holy crap.
11 likesThis was one of the greatest videos I've watched on this platform. You're a legend
6 likesAs an Appalachian, I would like to say thank you for this depiction! Beautiful narration. Wonderful storytelling.
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Yeah it's kind of crazy to see a story with this much detail about a place I visited as a kid. I never knew about this.
1 likeCant believe how emotionally attached i got to a dude who died almost 100 years ago.
9 likesI LOVE the editing and production with this beautiful story! Thank you:)
4 likesI really like this,a longer video with less jokes more of just the story ive been falling asleep with it on often its not boring just nice to listen to
3 likes19:0 you can see where Wendigoon is actually laughing at his own line and it is absolutely hilarious
2 likesWhat a roller coaster! I haven’t been this on the edge of my seat to a YouTube video maybe ever. Bravo, another subscriber amongst your well earned millions, thanks for the amazing content!
4 likesThis was so good I couldn't continue after the lamp died... it was too intense, felt like I was in there.
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When the lamp broke, the light bulb died, or some other moment?
0 likes@Ekkehard B. Both
0 likesMiller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming
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Back in the day reporters would crawl to the ends of the earth for a good story. None of them went to college. Today, reporters just read stories online and give their moronic opinions. And yet they insist they need a college degree to do that.
1 likeMy favorite character is Burden, because unlike Homer or Miller, he was a big part of it without necessarily a big reason for it. Just sheer motivation and sunk cost, respect.
2 likesAlso LOL at the crazy old man Lee, the couple faking the telegraphs, the competitors beating him up for the deed, and the mysterious two men who took a leg.
Definitely the most entertaining documentary on something I never though I’d care about that I’ve seen in a while.
1 likeI'm curious if any of these lines are from the book. You told this story in an excellent manner.
3 likesNever forget the peaky blinders and their valiant efforts to fill up the crowds outside the cave.
1 likeThere’s actually a lot of historical inaccuracies in this, Homer was not the first person to reach Floyd, and Skeets Miller was not the second, he was the fourth. Johnny Jerald and Homer had a much smaller role to play in the ordeal, there were several other characters involved, and Floyd’s other brother also helped in the early hit before getting injured and staying out. Among many other inaccuracies.
0 likesIt was also proven that there was no crystal cavern on the other side, Floyd just told people that, and the cave Floyd was put in after his death was Crystal Cave, not sand cave, which was a different cave that he owned some of.
Lee was also not drunk and far more supportive of the rescue effort
The big contention between Lee and Floyd was that they had a mutual ownership of Crystal cave, but it was a failed attraction. Floyd wanted to keep trying to make it famous and Lee wanted to sell it. They actually made a deal with Johnny Jerold to try and find a buyer for Lee’s half of the property with the option for Jerold to buy it, but Floyd refused to renew his part of the bargain to sell
Burden was also in the cave several times and did a lot more than just the rope pull. I’m fact, Miller did more work with Burden than he did with Homer or Jerold, Jerold personally hated the idea of any non-local, including Miller, helping in the rescue
I have claustrophobia so I can only imagine how unfathomably traumatic this is.
5 likes"None of this would have happened if Floyd had gotten world of tanks." Truer words were never spoken. I imagine then he could be like "Come see the incredible simulated world." and had a one of a kind tourist attraction already, never having to mess with the cave at all.
0 likesThis video is a masterpiece, never stop please <3
2 likespoor floyd, this was so unlucky for him.
1 likethe cave just had to colapse right when there was a big chance to get him out
This reminds me of the guy stuck upside down in a cave and it was impossible got rescuers to get him out without breaking every bone in his body so he had to slowly die and his body is still in the cave because it’s so dangerous.
0 likesThis is amazing video. Congratulations on making documents better than those in TV👏
0 likesIt sounds like, despite the morbidity of the situation...the family got exactly what Floyd was looking for: a tourist attraction caused by his cave-exploring discovery, one that ends up wildly successful and profitable. (For a time, of course.) Sad that his family couldn't have gotten the majority of said profit though.
1 likeHaha... this is TERRIFYING & HILARIOUS all at the same time... I don't think I have ever had so many panic attacks followed by so much uncontrolled laughing
1 likefucking amazing video, I didn’t even skip a few seconds, not even once. i didn’t get bored at all, i never even wanted to close this video just because of how good and entertaining it is.
1 likeI've been on YouTube since the beginning. This is hands down one of the best videos I've ever seen.
1 like"He knew he was about to be trapped in that cave... And he didn't want to be trapped... Alone."
6 likesMost chiling shit ive ever heard
It took mee a while to realize that this was a real event and not just a recount of one of my favorite films. The events are the exact same, so if you want to see them play out, watch Ace in The Hole (THe Great Carnival). A tuly brilliant movie, especially for the time.
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Tanks I'll def watch it
0 likesGot recommended this video a few times over the weeks.and finally watched it man it really had my attention. Fantastic.
0 likesIts the peaky blinders as NPCs that rlly adds the icing on it for me
4 likesI genuinely have never had something captivate me this well. I’m so happy.
0 likesThere’s another channel who did this story and many many like it including cave diving 😬
0 likesBeing the curious teen boy i am with a rather nonchalant yet subtly novel moral compass, all that bugs me is that why hadn't the 'spectacular alien like cave formation' looked into after all that effort. Not that I care about that trapped lad having such steady ambition to monetize and explore it, it's just that i am having a hell of a tantrum to why that wasn't bothered about. That morbid curiosity at its best you know.
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They sorta did. Several years after the tragedy; Miller, the reporter, along with a handful of researchers got permission to dig into the crystal room. Unfortunately even being years after the cave in, the team concluded Sand Cave was still too unstable for even their small group to stay in. They were only able to explore ot for a week before sealing it back. That's why the National Park has it locked up, it waaaaay too dangerous.
0 likesThis story has definitely made me feel different about mining in minecraft
1 likeSeeing Wendigoon had me laughing loudly LMAO
0 likesi'm not sure why he didnt dig the rest of the tunnel before he tried to dig out the last passage, especially if he wanted people to actually be able to enter in and out freely
0 likesAlways have a torch on you when going to caves with garvel
0 likesI learned that on Minecraft
I knew about Floyd from the Cave Wars video but I never knew it was so nail biting.
0 likesYou know, when I heard the name "Casey Jones" I expected him to scream Goongala at the top of his lungs like a cave man before beating the cave with a hockey stick expecting results.
0 likesI didn't expect my faith in humanity to be restored and destroyed in the same video.
2 likesWait wait wait a sec...
0 likesAfter Floyds family had the money to retrieve his body they only took 7 miners to get to him in 7... I repeat SEVEN days?! Just from the other side? Wouldn't THAT have saved him?!
That story is my worst nightmare. Told very well
0 likescrazy story. I am also so surprised the peaky blinders were there in kentucky the whole time
0 likesIf it had just been 1-2 guys maintaining a steady supply of food and water with Floyd's brother slowly, patiently working to move rock with delicate hands, Floyd would have lived.
0 likesIn the end though, the stupidity of people in their generality ended up taking his chances away. Not the cave.
I'm so fucking mad. I actually gasped when you said he was dead and I actually cried a bit. The fucking GALL of the people who decided to profit off Floyd's death. Fuck so many people in this story.
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you'll be even more mad if you know the truth behind it all. Internet Historian does a shit job on this. Had to make a video explaining a ton of it he got wrong.
0 likesGod this video was great, so worth the wait
0 likesIts sad because at the end of the day it was the tourist attraction that made the cave to crumble and fall down
1 like505k likes on this vid fckn hell, well deserved IH this is a masterpiece
0 likesIf Floyd played minecraft, then he would know that gravel from above can be dangerous.
0 likesFull. Body. Chills. The entire video. WOW. Claustrophobia unlocked
0 likesOooof. I'm so claustrophobic. This is the one Internet Historian video I'm having to bow out of.
0 likes41:42 Casey having to leave, only being able to watch as the light disappears and he hears sobbing of the man he had to leave behind. I wonder how much guilt he felt from that moment, it’s too horrible to imagine
19 likesAh, I was wondering if maybe the brother hired guys to steal his body and hide it in a location and he would take it from there but the cops got to it first.
0 likesWhen that light bulb went out he probably figured they gave up and died without hope in the dark
0 likes8:40 first captured photo of OBUNGA ever captured on a picture a truly historical moment.
0 likesHoly shit what an amazing story
0 likes54:37 The citation SPOILED the ending for me, unfortunately
0 likesKonami should have given Internet Historian Silent Hill, this was horrifying
1 likeAHAHAHAHA another banger brother, keep up the good work (from one creator to anotha)
0 likesShould've given him 500 atoms as compensation
1 likeWhole area filled with cave divers and none of them thought to start reinforcing the way in and digging bigger entrance while other swap turns to try and free him in the mean time? That is just dumb -.- Sure digging could make area further away more unstable but would made things much easier and safer to everyone in this project. Also why the way in was not dig bigger in the first place? Why to make crawl space for tourists when mining suitable way in would been better way to bring tourists in?
0 likesI knew this video was going to be good as soon as he said, "In the state of Kentucky..."
1 likewendigoons face continuously scooting up on screen💀
0 likesAs a claustrophobe, this is my worst nightmare.
1 likeFun fact, this dude is my great great uncle in law.
1 likeGreat video. Music list is not complete tho, I definitely heard Elden Rings Limgrave theme, which was a good choice 👍
0 likesThis story is pure chaos wtf, nature and karma did their job
1 likeYour videos are incredible!
0 likesInternet Historian: In the state of Kentucky there is a cave...
0 likesMe: Yeah Probably
One day I WILL move a snow globe with my mind!!!
0 likesIt is kinda strange to think that people jumping from miles and miles (or kilometers for the cheese burgerless) with nothing but some fabric on their back is a lot safer than going less than a few dozen feet underground.
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Father earth does not play around.
0 likes40:16 bro has a telescope to diagnose the state of the cave
0 likesI know I should recognize at least SOME of the other faces you're using, but damn it all if my prosopagnosia doesn't make it borderline impossible!
0 likes"the national guard was present" i gather they where on annual leave then if they didn't do shit
0 likesYou’re probably not reading this, but I wanted to let you know I’ve started using your voice in my head to narrate the books I read
0 likesThe subway sub should have said "12 inches (11 inches in reality)" just to reference that little fiasco.
1 likeI'm sweating halfway through, but hell if I'm gonna stop watching now!
1 likeI keep going away from, and then coming back to, this video. It's really interesting but gives me so much anxiety
0 likesMan that story was super interesting but I'm just super bummed
0 likes17:30 this song makes me so happy
1 likeThe contortionist and chisel suggestion was much funnier than guy #3
0 likes16:41 now Homers helping him and the subtitles say FORGEIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesNgl some sections of the video were nightmare fuel for me. Still, thank God his body is not in that cave, so sad they use him as an attraction
0 likesHey IH, sadly can't watch this video at all (claustrophobia levels over 9000) but i'll keep it running in the bg to give you a few views anyway. Keep making awesome content!
0 likeswhy was a movie of this story never made!?
0 likesExcellent story, excellent video
0 likes00:00 Fuck Yeah, another internet historian video... and its over one hour long!
0 likes01:16 "...The Squeeze.." Oh hell no, fuck this
Once every 6 months, he descends.
0 likesLove that the people have the Faces of IH's mates
0 likesSuch a tragedy that it brought the peaky blinders about
0 likes14:00 dude really snuck in the peaky blinders
0 likesThis was good I enjoyed.
0 likesWhat a great video man!!!
0 likesA masterpiece
0 likesDamn, that is anxiety in a nutshell
0 likesUS south hucksterism is my favorite aspect of the culture. Highly recommend the book "wise blood"
0 likesWas not in a good mood. Came to see some Internet Historian video to rise it... yep....
0 likes14:14 put on subtitles and at one point it says
0 likesit`s great
You really see two sides of humanity in this video; The people who really went to dangerous extremes to physically help him, and the other (unfortunately larger) camp of people that just sat by, put weight on the cave from above, spread rumors for fun, or otherwise exploit the situation. Really disappointed in how so many people acted in this situation. Not sure why so many top commenters wanna act like this is some heartwarming shit
0 likesStill the best frickin sponsored content videos
0 likesThat classic MoH soundtrack in the background
0 likes54:45 no not naturally, there's nothing natural about that, that's just irresponsible
0 likesi was afraid you might have peaked with the gentleman pirate
0 likesi was very wrong
The red dead redemption music makes this video that much better too, I appreciate it
0 likesPlot twist: the cave ate him and others throughout history.
0 likesSend a stalagmite my way so my headstone is covered, thanks.
0 likes"This is my hole! It was made for me!"
0 likesIt’s sorta hard to watch this that crap freaks me out. Great video
0 likesI thought about this video after watching Thai Cave Rescue on Netflix.
0 likesGood job the peeky blinders turned up!
1 likeMiller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming
0 likesMiller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming
0 likesMiller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming
0 likesMan this cave is just down right angry
0 likesCant wait for the Nutty Putty cave story
0 likesSo.. What do you have against Wendigo ?
0 likesThis was a wild ride.
0 likesawesome video thank you
0 likesGotta look up the nutty putty cave "rescue"
0 likesThis is how you make a movie with png images
0 likesI like his longer form videos
1 likeNo way it's Isaiah's face! LOL
0 likesIsiah from wendigoon
The Peaky Blinders even came to help
0 likesThat was a wild ride.
0 likesI FUCKING KNEW I RECOGNIZED "HAROLD"
0 likesso why the dark text? was there something hidden?
2 likes"It fucking moved"
0 likesGreat story.
0 likesPosted 3 weeks ago? I must have been living in a cave.
0 likesWhy would anyone cave dive like this?! Fuck! I'm shuddering...
0 likesI need a Miller x Floyd fanfic
0 likesThe fact that Floyd died absolutely killed me. I thought this was going to be the story of the heroes winning against all odds.
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So you spoil it in the comments
36 likes@Anon it happened 100 years ago. Spoiler season ended about 98 years ago.
216 likes@Anon That spoiler is completely your own fault
78 likes@Anon Don't watch comments of a video you still need to watch...
89 likes@Anon why did you scroll into the comments if you didn't watch the video, you're kinda asking for it
48 likes@Jonathan good advice genuinely
8 likes@Anon Redundant comment genuinely.
2 likesmy disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
2 likesMAANNNN SPOILERS!
1 likeAparently this is an unpopular sentiment do not flay me I beg of thee
1 likeHe would've died anyway cave or no cave.
0 likeswelcome to the real world
0 likes@ExplodingN it happens sometimes
0 likes@Kona to be fair it’s much more difficult to dig through dense rock than piled on dirt
0 likes7 sausage 🥪🥪🥪🥪🥪🥪🥪 came rolling out that corpse.
0 likesWas that Limgrave music from Elden Ring?
0 likesMy claustrophobia did not let me go past 5 minutes 😔
0 likes21:50 I don't know why but hearing that part of Miller "feeling ashamed not to try" just makes me hopeful and kinda sad, that all of the other people who had got there had given up, even while knowing that Floyd was in there, and here comes this strager, who had never even met him, and the simple fact that another human being is in distress compels him to at least try to save him.
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some people really are built different. Just knowing that "someone else did it" is enough to encourage them to push thrpugh any hardship they encounter.
52 likesI'm super claustrophobic and this shit terrifies me but if I could hear somebody in a hole like this really hurting for help I really really would try to help. Ive been in small spots, panicked and could calm myself down and get out but I would try my best at least, I don't think I'd make it in though tbh
4 likesIt's scary even to just go under the house to do some plumbing I start to panic when my moment is restricted
4 likesSure, I applaud his courage, but I'm more than happy to admit that seeing a crawl space of 9 inches, would unquestionably make me immediately go "Nah, fuck that."
7 likesMovement*
0 likesI'm all NOPE and it's not even 2 minutes. I didn't think I had claustrophobia until I went caving. NOPE
0 likesI honestly feel like this is something you can submit into film fests. Like the mix of style and story telling is immaculate.
456 likesLmao at the peaky blinders standing in the background
0 likesSo no one's gonna talk about how badass Casey Jones was? Just got on site, went into an ACTIVELY COLLAPSING cave, crawled all the way to Floyd and stayed with him as long as possible, and barely escaped. Can't imagine how hard it would have been to leave Floyd in there.
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On the one hand, total dick move, but on the other hand, man was actively shitting himself.
0 likesIt's all the cociane.
2 likesNo wonder he went insane and became a violent vigilante in 1980's NYC.
9 likes@RiptideV10 how did he cause the collapse? If anything caused it it was the amateurish attempt of using a bottle jack and crowbar to lift the rock, or the countless times the others crawled in and out. When those two went into the cave it was just to assess the danger, they did nothing but inspect fissures in the wall and look for instabilities. Keep in mind too that he and the other guy were literally professionals in cave stability, the best of the best when I came to underground safety at the time. Out of everything you can blame the collapse on, they are pretty low on the list
6 likesAnd he was a hireling. Not floyd's brother or anything. Dude had an adamantine work ethic.
6 likesnow are you an internet historian, or are you an internet historian
0 likesThe way they rigged up the copper wire to check his breathing was fucking insane, literal goosebumps.
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Now that I'm thinking, why the engineers didn't check that wire to check is he was alive before?
0 likesOn a similar note, back when medical science was far less advanced, bodies were buried with a string tied to their toe and the other end rigged up to a bell on the surface to avoid burying someone alive. However, muscle spasms can occur after death, leading to many corpses being dug up. This is the origin of the term "dead ringer".
7 likesCan we talk about the haunting dream sequence at 25:50 though? I have never seen Internet Historian create a scene so haunting and horrifying before, and it amazingly captured the morbidity and hopelessness of Floyd’s situation. It perfectly foreshadowed future events, especially with the motif of the cave not letting him go. The colors, the sound effects, the scenario, the VIDEO as a WHOLE—so spectacular. All of it. Thank you for what you all do; it’s incredible.
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Sensory deprivation is a hell of a drug. I imagine it synergizes quite vividly with hypothermia.
37 likesReminds me of 127 hours where he begins hallucinating a rainstorm and getting out from the crevasse.
6 likesIt felt like the YOU KNOW WHAT was kicking in
1 likeReminds me of 'Warbringers: Azshara'
1 likeIt actually frightened me. This is the reason that Internet Historians videos are so good.
0 likesI don’t know how I wound up here but I’m watching.. 👀
0 likesWhen Internet Historian publishes a 1-hour video, you know it's going to be something extraordinary.
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Definitely not... an ordinary thing. (Ba da dum tish)
1 likeI was really hoping to hear that Floyd’s original goal of getting that passage open would have been realized
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Technically it was, just took his death first
64 likeswell kinda. The podcast the Dollop did this same story and they said they found another entrance to Crystal cave I believe
12 likes@Doctor Homicide Really? I wanna know more about that.
0 likes@S B Well they found another way into the cave he wanted into. But also a fact this video didn't mention was that Floyd also wanted to prove the caves in the area were all connected to one in another and that was proven true. It's been a while so I can't give full details sorry :\
1 likefloid's brother is a truely great brother
300 likeshe was the first one to brave.the squeeze
he was the one who worked the hardest to get floid out of the cave and REFUSED to leave his brother there even after his death
i honestly can not begin to discrab how great of a man and a brother he was
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Meanwhile his father
16 likeswhy do you type like this
4 likes@Sal what do you mean
0 likestruely
1 likeAlso Miller… if journalists nowadays did even 1% of what he did there - the world would be a better place.
2 likesDISCRAB
0 likes@Sal You can't understand his discrabtion?
0 likes@SicilysFinest12 no it seems that they're complianing about one grammer mistake i made in that whole comment
0 likes"discrab"
@jony jesten i have know eyedeer wat kind of problam they wld have wit ur grammor
0 likes@jony jesten idc about how good people's grammar is, but saying there's only 1 mistake in that comment is very wrong
0 likes@SicilysFinest12 the whole point of my comment was how i liked one character yet here i am
0 likesreading your complains
English is not my native language
i never said that am flawless nor did i boost about my self in the comments
i only talked about the character that i liked the most
now have a good day
The fact that IH can drop a video simply titled 'man in cave' and I'll click on it says a lot about how much faith we have in his ability to create content. It says even more that it exceeded my expectations.
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He doesn't need a title, the sups will klick it enyway but I ges YouTube needs one
5 likesGood shit brother ❤️👍
0 likesI was heartbroken by the time it was revealed he passed away. Even more so with each revelation of his corpse being desecrated and abused for money.
642 likesAlso to anyone complaining about spoilers how about you watch the vid before checking the comments 🤡
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It’s the American way
25 likesHe risked his life trying to create a tourist attraction and succeeded, but not in the way he expected.
67 likesI’m not sure why Internet Historian decided to tell this story
1 likeBro really just spoiled the entire video
1 like@Rust R NPC thought.
4 likes@glaco its a comment on a video about an event that happened over 100 years ago. If youre worried about the narrative; dont read commentary about the story.
9 likesbruh, how old are you? that was 1929
0 likesWoah. Spoiler alert much?
1 like@Autonova it’s interesting, the fuck lol why did he tell the Concordia story?
5 likes@Rust R it’s the human way
2 likesThanks for ruining the story
0 likes@Sabizos bro y u reading comments on a 1 hour video that tells a story
1 likeIdiots reading comments while watching 😂
0 likes@Rust R what is it with you people and finding any reason to hate America
0 likes@Gortalla Dude I live here as well, I don't hate it.
0 likesAll the faces of humanity, the good, the bad, and the insane, all displayed to the fullest in one rollercoaster of a tale so absurd we depart from the realm of fiction into history. All of it told by one of the greatest storytellers of our time. What an absolute treat this was.
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Well said
2 likesAnd the stupid, this hobby is braindead
0 likesEvery time I hear the words, "fortunately" and "luckily", my heart aches, already knowing this story and its outcome.
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I had never heard of this, I did not know the outcome and actually thought that he might had made it out alive. I'll remember this story for a very long time.
75 likes@RamAmandeep i also dont know the story when started watching, but when one of the credited source titled the death and transfiguration of Floyd Collins, my heart sank
14 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likesI went to the comments and got spoiled. I'm so dumb
1 like@RamAmandeep I watched another video about Floyd a few weeks back. Even prepared with foreknowledge, I ended up feeling claustrophobic and uncomfortable once more.
1 likeIH may have created a comedic take on these events, but the grimness isn't lost.
I knew how this story would end, yet hearing more details than ever and the efforts people took in helping Floyd still made me hope he'd get out of that cave this time around
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5 likesafter the "intro" that described his fall and position, i knew that he wouldnt leave that cave
Wait til you see the sequel
3 likes@Joey M. the nutty putty cave?
0 likesI was shedding tears at how hard everyone tried to save him. Once the cave in happened I was sure he was dead but they never gave up hope. Stories like these bring back my faith in humanity.
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Faith in humanity restored...until it gets ripped out of your ass again when you get to what people did to him after he died.
0 likesIt’s fascinating to me how humans instincts is to think of themselves and not the victim. When Homer first got out of the cave and saw the crowd of people, some doing news, some bragging about how they’d be the one to save them….there’s so much internal competition before they can work together. Reminds me of Elon Musk offering to come in and help the Thai soccer team that got trapped and when his advice wasn’t heeded he called one of the guys a pedophile. It feels good when enough humans can put that crap aside to work together and accomplish something unimaginable
34 likesOn the other hand many people made profit from his tragedy so...
5 likes@Dominick So... What?
8 likes@Eric Oakes The vast majority of people in this story didn't help unless they could profit in some way or actively made things worse. If you want to see it as a story about how everyone got together to help someone in need that's cool, I honestly envy that. For me this showed a lot more of the ugly side of humanity. Loved the story tho, really well made video made it better. I guess what im getting at is that people can take away different things about a story like this and still enjoy it, its not a problem.
20 likes@Andrew Cottingham His advice was shit, too.
3 likesAnd then it subsequently teaches us that no matter how hard we try, we can still fail and die in a dark hole, alone. And that ultimately at the moment we reach eternity we will be alone, no matter how many love ones are close to us and fighting for us.
5 likes@Andrew Cottingham Well what I find funny is that they almost had him, just a bit more planning beforehand, or trying to get better equipment in advance would have removed the rock, but hindsight demands a sacrifice and I like to think these gruesome tales prevent other incidents like this from occurring, sometimes at least.
0 likesAnd then you reach the part about mob mentality and trolls faking the telegram and lose that faith all over again.
2 likes@Manea Andrei "Vast majority"? Who exactly was trying to save him simply for profit? Do tell.
0 likes@Manea Andrei It showed both sides mate. There were just idiots making shit worse and trying to make a quick buck, ironically one of those was Lloyd's own dad which is sad enough, and there were genuine heroes who tried their very best to help him. The journo especially. He was just supposed to report on the story. What he did instead was not only talk directly to the trapped man himself and scored a huge rapport, but he also really did try to help him. He was a journalist, but a human first and he tried to help his fellow man.
3 likesIt's a bittersweet story. Just like life. And that's what makes it beautiful.
@Dominick Even if that's the case, personally, I don't think the motives really matter. What they do and the actions they take are more important.
0 likesJust because someone's out to make money doesn't diminish the fact that they've helped people in the process
"faith in humanity"
1 likeYou do realize what channel you're on, right? This exposes the tomfoolery and comical corruption of people.
Yes, Homer, Miller, Gerald or even Burdon was great, also the people who work hard to save him too but the massive amount of people tomfoolery and fk around didn't drag your faith through the mud is just something else. And not to mention the dentist guy who fking cage a dead body for tourism?
1 like@Đ.Dương And those calling the whole thing a hoax while pretending to be Floyd writing to everyone he's fine? That's just sick. Whenever someone says "this restores my faith" I immediately think 'this guy's a crackpot'.
1 like@abloogywoogywoo Yeah like wtf, from the beginning to the very end, there are a lot people who actively make thing worse but somehow some viewer just automatically skip through them and have their faith in humanity restore. Like no, the man dies because people fk around, there even a guy profit of off his corpse.
1 like@Đ.Dương They probably contributed to the cave instability that ultimately cost Floyd his life. These sort of stories affirm my cynicism and pessimism.
1 like"AN odd warmth pats you on the back. It feels fleeting, but it somehow seems like it cost...far more that the feeling?"
1 likeHoly fuck at the people not able to just leave the dude alone.
0 likesCan we all take a moment to just remember the man, Floyd Collins.
870 likesThe cave tried to keep him and so did the bastards trying to make money off of his ledgend, times change, people forget.
He was in that cave for over 16 days, and left their to rot a for over 16 years but he made it out.
The video was great but never forget it was about a man's life and a man's death.
R.I.P Floyd collins.
Immortal in memory.
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are you a relative
7 likesI read they got his body out like two months later, what do you mean 16 years?
2 likesIn what way is a guy who puts himself in that situation, therefore forcing others to take that risk just for a shot at saving hin, is a hero?
7 likesI feel sorry for any person who has to go through something so horrible, but I ain't about to glorify what is essentially an idiot.
And before anyone tells me he did it cus money blah blah. No one was going in there even for a rescue, so I have a hard time believing they'd flock in and pay to navigate it. Guy was fucking silly and died a horrible, silly death.
@TheBangooman At what point did the comment call him a hero? They just simply stated that a person who went through such an awful situation such as his shouldn’t be forgotten.
32 likes@Me, myself and I: fair enough.
2 likes@TheBangooman He had the balls to follow his life's ambitions, despite it being dirty and dangerous.
22 likesWhat have YOU done with your life, hon?
@TheBangooman I never said he was a hero did I, I simply feel like its important to remember that although it's essentially a comedy video a man died, it was about money he was trying to better his situation and he got into an accident, of course it was dangerous but at least he had a decent reason.
6 likesJust feel like it kinda glossed over how horrible it must have been for the guy and the people that cared about him watching him slowly die.
I was just saying the ledgend will live on forever immortalised on YouTube and that hopefully he's now resting in peace not in some chained up coffin in the horrible place he died.
@Average tallnut enjoyer maybe I guess, I just watched it and I don't know maybe having the same second name made me really care about what happened, felt kinda personal aha
2 likes@Rocket Racoon They buried him in his casket in the cave but family members wanted him buried properly so they removed him and buried him at Mammoth Cave Baptist Church Cemetery
4 likesThere, not their.
0 likesWell i would argue Floyd got what he wanted after all... Tourists showed up like mad to his cave
2 likesThat goes to show if you really believe and work hard on your goal, you will achieve it!
..but at what cost? are you willing to pay the price? that is the question!
@Stormborn Apostle he def didn't win a darwin award for once.
0 likesThe original Floyd in the headlines. At least he wasn't a criminal.
2 likesMrbeast should do this ngl
3 likesfirst time a video has told me what brightness i should be on
1 likeThere is a post story with Miller. In 1954, he went back to the Sand cave with 32 other explorers and scientist to rediscover the Crystal cave that Floyd discovered. They found it and explored it for a week.
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YES! OH MY GOD, I COULD CRY.
108 likesOkay no seriously: the idea that no one would ever discover what he originally wanted to do in Sand Cave upset me to no end, but the fact that Miller did it (he's my favorite person in this event) makes me unreasonably happy. Thank for sharing this; I was about to google him to make sure.
That warms my heart a little
11 likesCan't believe he didn't include this. I was wondering about it the whole time.
16 likeswhere did you find it?
4 likes@Skyless Noob its story in a old newspaper in the 1950s. Its also recorded in Wikipedia.
3 likesThat man was haunted by that experience. He came to Cave City as just one of many of the press. But he left as much a brother to Floyd as Homer was. He was never the same again.
5 likesJesus Christ almighty, most of us couldn't even fathom of what Floyd must've felt during all this time being stuck down there in the cold, narrow and wet. Even the tought of this punches me in the stomach. But what was especially disgusting was how all the people except those who were actively helping him acted during the whole ordeal. They were practically treating his hellish torment as an attraction, literally acting as if they were forgetting that a human being is dying then and there below their feet. And that doesn't even stop there, even abusing his corpse for attraction, money and revenge. The hipocrisy of those people disgusted me the most. May no one ever again have to meet the same fate as Floyd.
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At least Floyd had national attention and headline news. John Jones had it worse.
6 likesSadly, it's one of the thousands of cases of human immorality that actually got famous because of a journalist.
0 likesyes
2 likesThat one other guy who died because he went into a very narrow cave entrance and got stock. Yes, he died even though they tried to save him and it seemed possible. He was just really stock in there, and his head was pointing inwards. He was in too deep; just in site but out of reach.
1 like@Greasey ahh yes who wouldn’t want to give their life for a news spot 😮💨
0 likes@Something Lame
1 likeReally stupid takeaway
Ось це я розумію годний контент. Тупа топ
0 likesI'm truly appalled at how people treated this whole debacle at the time. A man was trapped in the cold and the dark, alone, for hundreds of hours. His family, his friends, and numerous kind strangers desperately tried to save him that entire time, but the rest of the country treated it like a literal theme park, a way to make money and a source of entertainment. They milled around outside the cave, doing nothing to help and actively making things worse by destabilizing the cave.
658 likesEven after he was found dead people still tried to make money and fun off of his suffering, lining up to ogle at his corpse. Miller is an impressive exception, he came to the cave for the story but stayed for the man, and in the end, refused the notion that Floyd's life could be traded for coin.
A fantastic retelling of the story as always IH, well done indeed.
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Thats america for ya
23 likes@Aaron Coombs Land of the Capitalism! Also, Love you Internet stranger!
8 likesThat's capitalism for you
9 likesI watched another video abt this on another channel, unfortunately I got memory like a goldfish so don't remember which one, this guy a bit more funny but the other vid was very touching
1 likeYou would do the same thing, and pretending you're above that entirely shows a disconnect from the worst parts of you and all people. A disconnect that makes it easier for those awful instincts to come out.
7 likes@Sly Marbo Man, you're assuming a whole lotta things here. Yes, people have that sort of instinctual morbid curiosity. But let me assure, a LOT of people wouldn't go there to just stand around and treat it like a theme park. Not everyone is the same
12 likes@Denjidenji buddy, I promise you once you see that turnaround and tight squeeze, you’d shat ur pants and send “thoughts & prayers” like everyone else. Witcho goofy asses😂 I know that, because I would’ve done the exact same thing.
6 likesdont let it distract from the bravery of the men who risked their lives trying to save someone they didn't even know
6 likes@Hollister Not personally risking your life for a total stranger is a bit more understandable than treating his suffering and death like a day at the amusement park.... what are you even talking about?
9 likeswell, yeah. such people are always found - callous opportunists who flock to any situation. But I'd say it isn't exactly accurate to characterize all of society by their choices. I'd say it's just good to have stories like this one that remind everyone that they TOO very much exist, so it is easier for people to spot them in the wild.
0 likesThe Internet before the Internet was a thing
2 likes@Hollister he isnt talking about going in there, he is talking about the people selling food and entertainment outside
2 likesmost people couldnt comprehend how serious the situation was and thought the whole thing would be done in a few days
2 likesJust humans doing what we do best, care with all of our heart and all our pockets
0 likesThat was the same era that people treat public executions and lynching as social gathering spots.
1 like......People in modern time are probably still gonna do that if those were still available, now that I think of it.
@Jacky138 boomers and liberalists, not decent folk
1 like@Jacky138 Definitely. We have the internet nowadays to contain our most psychotic content addictions, but we still treat tragedy and human suffering as entertainment like our ancestors- just from the comfort of our own home. The obsession to make money off of every crisis is still alive and kicking as well- (scalpers buying up Covid supplies for instance) I think if you took the percentages of people who either: stay out of it, obsess over it, make money off of it, or help; from then and now they would be the same.
0 likesFor as much as the world has changed in 100 years, we’re all still stuck in 1920s Kentucky.
No one actually can care about an individual beyond the 200 of his closest friends. This is just a fact of human relations. Look up "Dunbar's number"
0 likes14:40 and it says furnace and not Homer
0 likesMy husband was dismayed that this video was over a hour long. I told him we could stop when he was tired 😂
782 likesBut once he was hooked in to this excellent story telling wonder, time flew by. All was well…
Thank you internet Historian.
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the IH effect
7 likes@ochiai what is the IH effect
4 likes@Tyrone Prime internet historian effect
1 like@Tyrone Prime The “Internet Historian effect”
3 likes@ochiai it's called having banger content
1 likeI caught the elden ring music : )
0 likesWhatever lies for Floyd after his death, I hope he finds peace. For Miller and Gerald I hope they were able to let go of the guilt. As for the man who sold his body for tourist traps, I hope the devil has a special place in hell for them.
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just virtual paper dolls moving around and yet the execution of this video is so good
3 likes@mllop aeet if anything the real faces but paper dolls look makes it more sad and creepy
5 likesAgreed. I would pray he had peace, or at least his body caused him to lose consciousness until he passed on. It's definitely a tragedy. At the same time the world could use more adventurers like him.
5 likesConnection terminated. I'm sorry Elizabeth, if you even remember that name, but I'm afraid you've been misinformed.
0 likesNah man, the Devil doesn't get to decide shit, giving him control over Hell would be giving him a position of power, which would be like a reward for what he's done. Nobody needs to be in charge of punishing people in Hell, it's a punishment just to be there. Also, it says in the Bible (paraphrasing here) that the worse your crimes are, the worse Hell is, so you don't have to worry about that guy not being uncomfortable enough in Hell, his crimes will make sure he is punished accordingly.
2 likes@Genesis Plus dude I’m not Christian
0 likes@Universal Traveler 09 Whatever, dude. You can say "I hope [bad person] goes to Hell for clout and likes but you're preaching to the choir, everybody wants this guy to go to hell and you don't have to lash out at somebody just because they gave you what you were fishing for when you made the comment... Affirmation.
1 like@Genesis Plus this sounds like your mad. maybe take a break dude. have a good one
0 likesLol did anyone notice the cast of peaky blinders looking on 43:16
0 likesFirst the story was depressing, then uplifting and then depressing again, what a rollercoaster.
768 likesPoor William
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If anything it showed me the human spirit at its purest form. Stage one, accepting the objective gravity of mortality, stage two, utterly ignting that objectivity to give it 110%, and than stage 3, the vultures set in to pick the corpse clean.
0 likesNever under estimate the power of the human spirit, also never under estimate how little some people have. The psychopaths, the narcissists, they exist and they will sap the human spirit and milk it for everything its worth. Including making money off of a tragedy.
It's a mark of a good story teller / movie maker that they can elicit an emotional response from the viewer. He illicits seventeen in one video ("Gentleman Pirate" also comes to mind) while having us learn something we never would have known otherwise, and now will remember forever coz of the peculiar way he tells it.. even mixing laughs in such a sad hopeless situation.
11 likesHistorian indeed. Chef's kiss kind.
@A. Ducky that being said, he's also relying heavily on already written books and writers on the subject, his interpretation of them are definitely unique though. I want to make sure proper credit is given the original writers. IH does a good job reinvigorating the old stories and make them exciting to a modern viewer.
0 likesThe video and animation helps because of how visually fixated people are nowadays. It would actually be nice to know which books he is using to reference the story.
@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse
0 likesPause every time you see small text on the bottom.. and also look in the top left corner of the screen. I'd assume there's something in the description but haven't checked. Usually, he puts most of it on screen.
Also...what else but books are we to rely on when telling any historical event? 🤔
And the whole fixated thing.. I'm 45. I'm not one of the 15sec attention span. Still love the video and think it's a masterpiece.
@A. Ducky yeah but I mean books aren't all the same. A history book is not the same as a book written by an author telling a story of the event. Like you can write a story with nothing but literal details and call it a history book. But if you write a story with historical events that put you into the experience of the event, its a GOOD story.
0 likesWhat a heartbreaking story, honestly... damn. Dude didn't deserve to go through all that.
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He should have simply not gone into such a risky narrow cave passage in the first place. He knew the risks and he still took it.
26 likesI do caving and nowdays we have like... basic safety procedure that prevents all of this stuff.
9 likes@UltraspinalKI" he simply should not have taken a risky business venture" in the middle of the fucking great depression, known for making people desperate for money.
64 likes@UltraspinalKI of course you'd say that with hindsight
10 likesPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes. Guess those few dollars wasn't worth it huh? Remember that before squeezing into anything other then poon. Even then use caution
6 likesMan just wanted more people to see the beautiful parts of earth that we just walk above every day
8 likes@Matthew M. S., CFP for some reason the funniest comment I've read in a while
6 likesSome of you really going to tell us that a dead man who suffered to do what he loves, expose the wonders to the world, and never gave up that it was a stupid idea. Forgive me now or later for saying this please but I hope you find yourself in a scenario where you need as much help as he did, and get rejected because your actions were "stupid of you."
10 likes@WoahFlamingo 1925 isn't the great depression
0 likes@Vex Delta mb thought sand cave disaster took place in 32'
1 likeI know people that do 6inch squeezes, I myself can't do below 11 inches because I'm huge.
0 likesI hate that this comment got liked so much that it spoiled the ending for me. I guess it's my bad I looked here before I watched the video.
0 likes@WoahFlamingo It wasn't the great depression. This was in the 20's, an economic boom period.
0 likes@Fareflight sorry I thought sand cave happened in 1932
0 likesNo, he totally deserved to go through all of that. It was an insane thing to go there. Noone in their right mind goes into caves, especially that tight. He fiddled with death and it struck back.
0 likes@WoahFlamingo So what? No matter the context, the idea of going into such a cave is insane, no matter the circumstances. If going to a cave was a good idea, most of the people would do that.
0 likes@ashrasmun yeah you spend 15 fucking days in a wet pitch black hole where you can barely breathe, have a sharp rock stabbing into you and slowly losing bodyheat
0 likesThe fact that ALL those efforts were made and he still died, made my heart sink. Poor guy
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Im with torn on this, i would call him poor but he made the absolute dumb decision to go in there. It was his own fault.
19 likesAnd not only that.. his body has been desecrated and paraded for years on. And that was ok back in the day since the dentist did make a profit from this.
78 likes@Azoniar NL i’m sure he spent more than enough time berating himself for that. had he been freed 100 hours in he never would of gone caving again. also if you really think he deserved it, well, he did die down there so
60 likes@Azoniar NL Someone dying because they made a mistake is deserving to you? Shame on you sir or madam.
42 likesReminds me of the nutty putty incident. Basically a very similar thing happened with the same results. I'm never ever going in a cave.
6 likes@Azoniar NL yer but he seemed like a good dude. It's a horrible way to go only the worst of the worst deserve that kind of end. Yer he was very dumb to go down there especially alone but still
7 likes@Karl Dilkington Did I say he deserved it??? No.. I said I was torn on it and it was his own fault and thats different then saying he deserved it..
1 like@Azoniar NL still a poor guy tho int he
1 like@Azoniar NL wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy
1 like@Aidan CB I would l, they are enemies after all, not Floyd tho.
0 likes@Hồ Nguyễn Hoài Bảo fair enough m8. Maybe if it wos like some mega deep shi emotion would capture me but don't have enemies like that do I. Respect the grind set doe. Also rip Floyd. Free my guy... from the cave.
0 likes@Karl Dilkington there are mistakes that you have to actively make. I've never been trapped in a cave because I've never been in one.
0 likes@Azoniar NL It's his own fault, and? You called him dumb and you say you're "torn on it" like as if you're sympathetic with the man. He more than all people thought he was dumb for not only trapping himself there but also "troubling" that many people based off of the statements he gave. You saying the choices he made up to that point was dumb and his own fault is not just pointing out the obvious, it's also insensitive, almost as if trying to make the suffering the man went through trivial because "it's his fault", even if that wasn't your intention that's how it came off. You're right, you didn't say he deserved it. You said he was dumb for going caving and that's his fault, thank you captain obvious.
6 likes@Azoniar NL If someone dies and you say we'll it's his own fault for being down there in the first place, it would sound like you are saying, well he deserved it then he shouldn't of been down there.
4 likesI always come to Internet Historian to feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable
2 likes@Justin Y With Mustache Access damn youre putting alot of words in my mouth based on a few sentences I wrote.
0 likesI wouldn't say poor guy after he tried to trap another miner with him
0 likes@Niix He was desperate. People do ridiculous things when they're desperate and in the brink of dying.
0 likesThanks for spoiling it.
2 likes@Whispasta dude why you read the comments before ending the video???
1 like@Azoniar NL I don't blame because he was desperate to earn money and make a better life for himself.
2 likesOnly thing I can think of is that he shouldn't have gone alone and had help, (friend or family) with him whenever he went down there. First day wouldn't have been wasted then
THANKS FOR THE FUCKING SPOILER ALERT
1 like@Niix people read the comments while watching the video. Dunce
0 likes@Rain Love u stoopid?
0 likes@Azoniar NL most empathetic person on yt
1 like@Azoniar NL Bro I didn't put the words dumb and his fault in your mouth.
1 likeAnyone notice the peaky blinders?
0 likesThe moment I saw Floyd Collins dead, I just had about the loudest "NOOOOOOOO" I have ever had in my entire life. This story was a damn rollercoaster
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Chill some us still watching it
2 likesThe hopeful music right before the revelation fooled me: I really thought he had made it 😔
3 likes@Riley Avi Druger Why are you in the comments if you are still watching the video? Can your ADHD ridden zoomer brain not focus on one thing at a time?
0 likes@Riley Avi Druger This is exacly why you should never read comments while watching such videos in the first place :/
7 likesgerrald the absolute GOAT tho, man went down there and single handedly made more progress than anyone else had, did it again, kept doing it, saw the cave had caved in, kept doing it, then almost broke his back, legend
235 likesEvery time Gerald promised Floyd was getting out soon broke my heart. Bless Gerald, Homer, and Miller for their tenacity
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@BrightForest Those people who stopped him are dead now, so it's even.
9 likesGreat video, 97% hole. I am satisfied
0 likesFloyd, Miller, Gerald, this video has some of the bravest people I've ever heard of! What a heartbreaking story.
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there's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. floyd clearly the later.
7 likes@Maverick 16 Didn’t even attempt the squeeze opinion rejected
16 likes@Maverick 16 they were friends. and obviously he was a real friend. Yes it might have been stupid logically but he did everything he could to save his friend.
2 likesI think Miller might be the most impressive out of all of them. Guys a goddamn journalist, as soon as he published his story he had no obligation to help the man out maybe outside of publicity for his himself and his newspaper. Regardless I imagine he probably would have little to no experience with physical activities so the lengths he went through to save that man is honestly impressive
9 likesBeing in a claustrophobia inducing cave is bad enough.
1014 likesBeing TRAPPED in such a cave? That's something that no one person should ever endure.
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I can get like looking for adrenaline highs and stuff and even typical cave exploration but i will never understand how people want to squeeze into holes they can only fit in with no air in their lungs.
58 likesYeah, man, I’m trying not to think about how fucking terrifying that would be. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
19 likesI remember this asshole he was stealing artifacts from caves and selling them, good riddance.
0 likesIn pitch darkness no less
14 likesNo one forced him to go into the cave.
8 likesI think one these people that don't have a 'survivall' reflex. They are in real danger but don't truly realise it.
7 likesBeing trapped underground in complete darkness is very, very not fun.
4 likes@TheDeckinator Ok but what does that have to do with anything tho lmao
10 likes@TheDeckinator The self-responsibility seminar is in the next room, sir.
15 likesOn top of being trapped in the darkness, unable to move, and all alone? I wouldn't wish that upon my greatest enemy.
4 likesremember what IH said, he had been doing this for a long time and was already rescued once from a harrowing situation. at that point claustrophobia doesn't strike you as bad, and neither does being stuck in a life-threatening situation i guess
8 likes97 years later, and an inflation fetishist is speculating on this mans harrowing death.
0 likesPlease change your pfp
2 likesmy god , you can just post anything now . i hope this video lands you a nice car .
0 likesThis is better than any movie Hollywood is turning out these days. This had me gripped from start to finish. I can't wait to see more content like this.
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I agree
4 likesNah
1 likeI love to watch IH's videos, no doubt. But this story would make a good full-length feature film. It even has an unhappy ending to make you feel crestfallen and an oddball postscript.
5 likesTruly. Good old fashioned story telling at its finest.
0 likesDespite such a sad ending, its still amazing how everyone bound together to try and rescue him. From his brother to complete strangers. Rescuers crying when they realized they didn’t reach him on time. One can only hope that if we are ever in trouble, people will help us out.
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The sad thing is that all the people willing to help is what ended up killing him. All of those warm bodies in the cave caused the ice to melt, softening the rocks, leading to a cave-in. The cave-in may have still happened if they restricted access, but they may definitely would've had more time to rescue him. Thankfully we live in a time where a professional who is perfect for the job is likely just a few phone calls and a plane ride away.
50 likesSad ending is an understatement. I am trying to put myself in a situation where a loved one's corpse is dug up and disrespected like this then upheld in a court and I can't imagine a scenerio where my reaction didn't put me in jail and those responsible in coffins of their own.
14 likesI am honestly shocked it didn't come to that, I'd have more pity for someone that actually killed my mother than someone that made a mockery of her corpse like that.
Reminds me of Cecil Kelley.
The people helping wasn't the problem but the hundreds of onlookers doing nothing and going in and out of the cave as well as lighting bonfires is what caused the cave in. If they only got out of the way and only let the people actually doing something they may have been able to get him out in time.
5 likesStop with the spoiler potencial comment
0 likes@Rsome Tom Why would someone read the comments before watching the video? And where are the people who finished the video "allowed" to discuss the events in the video?
7 likes@Rsome Tom maybe don't read the comments to an hour long video before watching
4 likes@Rsome Tom I will never understand people who read comments before watching a video. What do you expect people to be talking about?
1 likeWhat really sucks is: if they had stuck to their initial idea of just digging him out, it might have worked!
0 likesThis video is plagiarism from about 10 other smaller channels. This video is completely stolen.
0 likes@Lukycharms luke just because your 10th grade teacher called you out on copying your assignment from wikipedia doesn't mean this video is plagarism
1 like@Lukycharms "ten other channels read the wikipedia entry to this historic event first this guy is a plagiarist!" ok kid
1 like@Lukycharms lol, if it's condensing a full 10 other videos it can't be very similar to any one of them, so it really can't be plagiarism. Besides, it's fucking history how much originality can you possibly have when describing the same facts? Not to mention this video follows the same general format as every other Internet Historian video, so unless you're saying the entire channel is plagiarised, then the format can't be stolen either. So what are you even claiming is stolen?
1 like@Elton Smith oh no definitely. But I am talking specifically about those who helped.
0 likesSadly nearly in all cases where a tragedy is ongoing almost always you have people gawking. Call it morbid curiosity or whatever. At least it wasn’t all just people gawking and recording it for internet or something. I once remember someone got stabbed in a Moscow metro and instead of helping the person people were just recording it :(
@frozenbacon yeah, I mean definitely modern technology allows us to do so much more than back then. But I need ignoring the dumb onlookers who were lighting fires, what was the alternative? You still needed people to go inside and attempt to rescue him so it was inevitable that some heat would be exerted. But yes, as other people, and you mentioned Dash I presume there was some rudimentary understanding of these types of caves, and the fact that people lit fires was just insane.
0 likeswhatever it is, I’m staying the fuck out of caves 😅😅😅
the guy who got himself trapped by going into dangerous caves alone is the real villain of this story
2 likesThe fact that he even survived that many hours...I would have given up hope the first three days and cried myself to death.
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And then you would wake back up, still trapped, still slowly dying....
21 likes@Sissyphus Sartre "one must imagine Floyd happy"
1 like😉 I like your username but thought Camus would make for a nice garnish
I knew how this story ended, i knew floyd would die down there, and yet, every second, i was wildly hoping for the best, even questioning if he did die, this is a mark of good storytelling, and a testiment to IH's abilities as a writer, truly magnificent
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Man dropping hard spoilers. Im going to try to forget i read this
2 likes@Branson Jensen Lol spoilers on a real life event that happened 100 years ago..
5 likes@Branson Jensen why did you bother reading the comment section first then? The comment section is for people to talk about the video, so of course its going to have spoilers. Kids these days lol
6 likes@MadDany man i really didnt get upset, relax brother
0 likes@Branson Jensen not saying you are upset did i? Just asking and being baffled as too why you did what you did
0 likesI really wanted to watch new IH but I'm 3:19 in and I can't
0 likesWhen his lightbulb went out, I knew it was over. That light not only provided warmth, but served as a beacon of hope that pressed him to hold on :(
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I knew it was over when he was in dark for twelve days without water and food
29 likesIt breaks my heart because I wonder if he didn't know it had just burnt out and people were still working around the clock to save him. Maybe he thought they turned off the light because they were giving up on trying to reach him.
15 likes@GoTi4No That'll usually do it, yeah
4 likesThis is 100 ways Wendigoon would die
0 likesDude, the moment it got revealed that he actually did not survive got me Real Bad
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same bro, I was so happy whenever they finally got to him, only for my heart to sink into my stomach when he was found dead :(
82 likesFirst, Stede Bonnet gets executed and now Floyd dies in the cave? Damn, I hope I never end up the subject of an Internet Historian video!
48 likesI know it was unintentional, but you should really rethink the wording of your comment lol...yikes
33 likesThat's weird but puberty is a bitch, shit happens, don't feel bad :)
0 likesAlso I got news for ya. That means you are a necrophiliac ... or again hormones idk lol
@David B yes i know what you mean lol
2 likesBut what about a hole got you so hard?
0 likes@David B what Do you mean 😅
1 like@DeathFemboyOfKrieg vhat
0 likes@DeathFemboyOfKrieg Sounds like finding out about his death gave you a hard-on.
0 likes@DeathFemboyOfKrieg getting turned on is what he means
0 likesRight?! I gasped, I couldn’t believe it. I really thought he was gonna live to tell the tale
1 likeIt was so sad :(
0 likesI really hoped he'd survive
0 likesdamn kentucky seems like a nice place .
0 likesFloyd: “This cave is gonna make me rich”
378 likesCave: “This man gonna make me famous”
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Well Floyd DID want to make the cave famous, just not in the way he intended
1 like1:07:58 not the sims 1 soundtrack
0 likesI've read a lot of stories about caving going wrong and to me this is the most heartbreaking one. Imagine seeing your brother and childhood friend come so close to rescuing you from a cave you've been trapped in for over 100 hours only for the cave to collapse. Then imagine spending days hearing the sound of picks and shovels getting closer only to die from exposure after over 300 hours in the cave. This has got to be the worst way to die.
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This one and the Nutty Putty one are terrifying to me.
9 likesThe guy got himself into a stupid situation with no back-up source light, no rope security, and noone to accompany him. Imagine thinking that 23cm tall gaps in underground caves can be considered as "attractive to tourists".
9 likesWorst way to die, sure, but I won't ever feel bad for someone who got himself in his situation. One less idiot in the world.
@NotxEevee That's a bit harsh. He was young and ambitious but he also had alot of experience with exploring caves so it is maybe a bit weird he did not have any safety measures in mind. But I certainly feel bad for the guy.
48 likes@Leon Stassen
28 likesMore than a bit harsh… I don’t think I’d wish that fate on anyone.
@NotxEevee harsh but true. I was also thinking he could have made the hole bigger for tourists. Notice just how few ever wanted to go in for a rescue attempt
4 likes@PornstarCheese He likely had that in mind, but he first had to get something the tourists would be willing to come for so he hadn't thought of opening it up.
0 likes@NotxEevee Be careful with judging people like that. Life has its way at humbling you.
0 likes@NotxEevee Bro I knew you was trolling bro. Nobody listen to this guy, he is copy pasting his response like a whole nerd.
6 likes@Clem Diamond Careful about what? The guy thought 22cm tall gaps were attractive to tourists, did a stupid thing, now he's dead. Boo-fucking-hoo.
1 likeCaving and that kind of stupid shit that irresponsible people do to try to feel adrenaline is flirting with death for absolutely no reason. Karma.
1 like@Al Steak Sauce "I knew you was" Here we are again, gaslighting ghetto boys.
0 likesThere is no way he heard picks and shovels down there
0 likes@PornstarCheese That was what I thought as well when watching this video.
3 likesI can understand that being poor can make someone desperate, but this wasn't desperation, just stupidity or stubbornness.
There were many simpler solutions to his problem :
- Dig a bigger entrance to the tunnel and cave, and craft makeshift support with the nearest available ressources, aka wood and steel.
- Work with the competitors to have better infrastructure support for the cave so it can be exploited, all the while getting money by negotiating a cut with said competitors because Lloyd was the proprietor of the cave to begin with. Not considering the fact that there were MULTIPLE competitors who wanted to exploit the mine in the first place, meaning the amount of money he could have made by allowing one company to exploit it and receiving a cut from it would have increased significantly.
- Selling the mine to one company, considering that MULTIPLE companies were interested in exploiting the cave, these companies would have placed higher bids in order to have the rights to exploit it, meaning Lloyd could have had the choice of taking the highest amount.
- Make the fact that a valuable resource is deep inside that cave public to the authorities so it can attract governmental agencies into exploiting it, with Lloyd either collaborating or striking a deal with said agencies.
Instead, we got :
- One man doing the most minimal work by creating smaller than 30cm waist gaps that less than 10% of the population (including minors) can crawl through and thinking "Yeah good enough, tourists will come visit 100% sure".
I'm sorry, but no. No person that would think about the situation more than 2 seconds would agree that the last solution is the best.
This is just karma. He knew the risks, he died. End of story.
@asdkotable Nutty Putty story always gives me mild panic
0 likes@Et Cogito Ergo Sum don't worry, you'll get what you deserve for comments like that
0 likeswell this is great, i live in kentucky
0 likesThat final cave-in made me feel overwhelming sadness and frustration. I can’t even imagine what his final moments were like, all alone in the dark after getting so close to freedom.
562 likesIt reminds me of the Mossdale Caverns tragedy (which only happened about 40 years after this.)
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they should have just dropped a rock on his head from the ten foot drop. to save him from further pain
1 likeYeah reminds me of the guy that died in the Nutty Putty Caves, except this story is even worse. Thinking about the agony Floyd must’ve gone through over two weeks is horrible to just imagine.
18 likesyes
1 likeLet’s all be honest, we’re probably all mad at the townsfolk who didn’t wiggle through the squeeze to help Floyd, but tell me honestly after watching this that you would be willing to do that given the outcome. those three men that went in after him really were built different.
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why would you add more victims? unless you're certain you have a reasonable chance, don't risk it.
6 likes@Alex M That’s the thing, I think they did have a chance to save Floyd if the squatters didn’t come and ruin things/make things harder than they needed to be.
1 like9 inches is a hell of a gap to try to squeeze through without being fully confident you can fit... they were built different in quite a literal way.
1 likeme, I'm a thiccass boi, and my skull+ears are just a bit over 8 inches across. chest below 9 inches? probably impossible without breaking something, particularly if I'm already wrenching my head completely 90* sideways to fit.
As a kentuckian living near the caves, you have done more research than even your guides have accessible and have put it in a great video. Kudos
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for real, but hearing him miss pronounce louisville is just painful
2 likes@James x what's the actual pronunciation?
1 like@Ant loo-uh-ville
9 likesI had a stroke reading this
1 like@James x you're not french, u dont have to pronunc it lui ville anymore, it's louisvil
1 likeI live near and the locals use only two syllables. Lul-ville
1 likeBarely did any research actually. Literally had to make a 50 minute long video talking about just the biggest things he got dead wrong in it.
0 likes@C Porter example?
0 likesBetween this and the "Nutty Putty" deaths I think a good rule of thumb is "Never enter a cave you can't walk through."
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Never go through a turn or drop you can't walk through. In both cases they were stuck in a turn. If they were stuck in a straight passage they could be pulled out.
54 likesHe was so focused on making a path that he didn't make sure the path was actually usable.
33 likes@Misirter E So preoccupied with whether or not he could he never stopped to think if he should.
24 likesI'm just never ever going into caves
21 likesUnless you're a snake.
2 likesNever enter a cave-
2 likesI'ma keep it to "never enter a cave"...
2 likesNah. I can't evade the lure of adventure. I have NO claustrophobia. Almost the opposite honestly. Tight spaces make me comfortable.
1 likeBtw not sure about this level but in general yeah.
This was legitimately heartbreaking, I just feel so bad for him and his brother
522 likesSad as it is that he did not ultimately survive, it is inspiring to see the sheer amount of effort that went into attempting to save him from the cave.
164 likesThis is an odd word choice, but I can only think to say that this story is actually.. heartwarming, how soooo many people came together and tried so hard to save him. Absolutely insane. The longer it goes on the more I can't comprehend the sheer effort and will. At least he knew he wasn't uncared for in the end
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In the end tho he would had a much higher chance of surviving if there was a small team of people. flking tragic how in the end it turned into a circus with like 10 to 20 people actually helping. probably one of the worst ways to go
23 likesthis was a great comedy
1 likeHow all the miners were constantly ready to dig and burn every last calorie of energy in their bodies to do it, people can be so incredibly driven for each other they turn into machines.
14 likes@Sarah Van Donsel
1 likewhat the hell are you talking about. almost no one wanted to help the trapped fool.
and they just made things worse
@pedro vega antagonists aren't always a person. Sometimes it's an immovable object with a horrifying will of it's own.
2 likesIt's harder for something to feel heartwarming when you know the only reason that the state cared for this person is because he was popular, and then you realize all those resources are available, but most people aren't worth it.
2 likes@Jeremy Rugg
1 likewe get it bro, you are salty about being unpopular. lmao
This story is so much more than I ever could have imagined...Despite the ups and down, despite how stupid some of the ideas were, you gotta give it to these people. The heart was there and people tried. Many only came for the fame and money to be made, but their were so many people rooting for him that I hope he finds peace
12 likesOMG, even hearing it is extremely terrifying to me, i will never understand ppl who are willing to shove themselves into the tight squeeze inside a cave. And this guy nontheless, is doing it day after day, gambling with his life till something happens, not if but when
32 likesAmazing story telling, combined with tasteful comedy, wish wr could get them more often. Waiting patiently for the next one keep it up
7 likesI never would have expected this channel with its unique, goofy editing style would tell such a scary tale. I am surprised how I was still able to take this story completely seriously, despite the moving jpegs of stock images, and youtuber faces.
5 likesThis video was a more gripping, suspenseful, emotional rollercoaster— than anything marvel has put out in YEARS!!
7 likesThis is exactly the sort of reason why you'd never, never, NEVER get me underground in anything but a highly reinforced and open structure FAR from a fault line.
6 likesI'm still baffled that IH did quite a serious story. I haven't heard it before but I find myself watching it over and over and researching a little more into it and my god. Little late homie but GREAT video, and Wendigoon of all people absolutely belongs in a video like this. Great team, great history to learn from, great vid in the end.
8 likesWell written narrative, fascinating expressive narrator voice, great character voices, creative visuals, well-chosen music, and best of all (I think) is how the sound effects really bring it to life and evoke a sense of place. I'm so glad I found your channel!
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Also love the strip of text along the top showing the date/time/hours elapsed
1 likeWatch the Cost of Concordia of his. That one is my favourite
1 likeHonestly was grinding out and this was perfect to listen to, as much as I was invested in the game I was playing, this was amazing to listen to, defiantly should do more documentaries like this
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He should definitely do more defiant stories.
1 likei put on this video as background ambience as i worked on a drawing and by the 15 minute mark i was almost entirely engrossed in the storytelling. amazing video, i've never been more focused on an hour long video in my entire life
5 likesAnyone who squeezes into tiny caves like that is absolutely insane. I don't know if they're daring or just plain stupid
10 likesHomer is the kind of brother we all wish we had
55 likesBrilliant story, presented extremely well. Kept me up way past my bedtime.
3 likesI just hope all the people who worked to make this know, that i watched this instead of my knightly film, and enjoyed it just as much if not more. a actual 9/10 movie experience.
4 likesExcellent storytelling.
3 likesFor anyone interested, the 1951 classic „Ace in the Hole“ tells a fictionalised version of a similar story.
I’m sure this video is amazing, and I’ll get around to watching it, but that zoom out at 5:08 almost gave me a panic attack. It’s one thing to listen to this story (like the Dollop’s excellent episode) but seeing it visualized might be too much for me.
5 likesThe work you put into your videos is incredible. Thanks.
2 likesInternet Historian didn't mention that even when they dug down to Floyd that they still couldn't get him out. It wasn't that it was too dangerous it was that they couldn't get to the pinned leg to remove the rock. When Homer dug him out he had to dig a completely different tunnel so they could get to his pinned leg. So even if Floyd had been alive when they got to him he still wouldn't have been freed for a while.
0 likesExcellent storytelling at work. I was devastated to hear the ending.
1 likeI love Story time with Internet Historian. ❤
1 likeLegendary storytelling
I saw the Jacob Geller video Fear of Depths a while ago and as soon as I saw the photo of Floyd I knew already that he had died after weeks in the cave, and yet I was still hopeful even when I knew how it ended. I didn't know anything else about the story other than when he died but it was still so well told. Thank you
7 likesTruly incredible, had me claustrophobic at the start
3 likesI love the use of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault ost. One of my favourite games. Excellent video!
4 likesFrom a simple man to a national sensation. But at what cost?😬
1 likePS: Amazing Job by creating this, well done!
I've watched this over and over and I always hope he gets out even though I know the ending.
1 likeAs sad as these event are, I'm glad in the end he was peacefully laid to rest.
2 likesBeen to mammoth caves and the formations are beautiful especially the cave waterfalls but some of those entrances are down right horrific. Im talking a 4 ft entrance with an immediate 15 ft drop
0 likesThis is an absolute masterpiece. Internet historian has always been good content but this.. this puts the history channel to shame.. this is exceptional.
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Quite the opposite, considering the History Channell when it does show history, actually tells it correctly without putting a ton of bullshit in that he cant even prove with his sources.
0 likes@C Porter like the aliens special they did right? Gtfo
0 likes@Super Anderson TV Didn't know you meant THAT side. Yeah in general they're going downhill with their programming, but the things they did put out were actually historical, and got shit right. Unlike this here.
0 likesI didn't know about this. Absolutely amazing video. Some of your best work! Thank you!
0 likesTo those of you in the comments speaking of how poetic his death is: it isn't. There's nothing poetic about dying alone after losing all hope for survival.
0 likesI have been caving. Only twice for real, and nothing quite as dangerous as that, but there is real terror in being trapped in a cave alone. Even surrounded by people, with your limbs free, pitch blackness can be terrifying.
He spent hours alone, in the dark, with no one on the other side. Even if he had prepared for something like it as a solo caver, there is nothing quite like the true reality of the situation.
Knowing that, I think no caver would've ever left him in that cave.
I'm glad he's out.
oh man this story worked so well in this format! Great stuff!
1 likeThis oddly makes me wanna go mining. In a virtual space, where I can't be entombed.
0 likesThis type of thing is like pure soul horror for me. This is one of the worst case scenarios for existence.
2 likesI think this story gives that old saying "but he died doing what he loved to do" a little less traction.
1 likeA living cave would make for a really good horror movie imo
2 likesThis is exactly what I needed. A phobia of caves, nalism and dread watching this at midnight a week from Halloween
1 likeI think with today's technology, we should try to get to the cave where Floyd was trying to go in the first place. The beautiful scenery with a massive open space. The place should be named after Floyd to commemorate his resolve.
0 likesNot exactly Internet related but…still, nobody can tell a story the way you can.
1 likeit’s wild that the whole time this was going on, nobody thought to bring a spade to dig
1 likeI've heard this story before, a couple times, yet for some reason it's taken me 3 attempts to get through this video. I think it's the intro, description, and visual depiction.
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What a poet btw
1 likeVery tragic story about the effort to save this one person but was all futile in the end
0 likesHoly shit what a banger of a video. Had me on a rollarcoaster of emotions!
1 likeI confused as to why floyd was so deep in this cave if he was trying to open it up to tourists. If you were trying to widen the cave, so that you could walk or crouch through it, wouldn't you start from the beginning and start digging?
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Seems like he was just exploring it to see if there were any large openings anywhere. He was so fearless that the idea of getting trapped probably never crossed his mind.
0 likesThis was simply, incredible.
0 likesThe reporters were there to help people gawk from afar. I can't stop laughing.
0 likesWendigoon and IH in one video? This is literally top 10 best anime crossover irl.
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senpai notices
0 likesNice
1 likesellout
0 likesThanks for serving that story in such a light weight format.. man, scary af
0 likesI love how you use the theme song to Medal of Honor Frontline in this video :D Great story sir
0 likesNot going to lie. I've watched this at least 10 times all the way through. Not in one sitting but throughout the upload date. Even told my girl that this would be our movie night selection. She was happy with it.
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I think you're lieing
0 likes@Honest Rat don't care.
0 likes"The best helmsmen stand on the shore."
0 likesIt's the literal translation of an old Dutch proverb dating back to the time when Holland Ruled The Wa- well, at least the VOC did for a good part.
Anyway, I'll add my piece of advice that might have been of some use at the time.
POISON
Another crazy story that fits your channel would be the battle of Athens. It’s too crazy to not tell
2 likesThanks for not talking about human excrement and urination through the whole video. I'm certain the smell was mentioned in the sources, but culling it raised the suspense. It would have made the video kinda gross to rewatch
3 likesI don’t really understand how the snow melt or the loitering really affected the integrity of the gave that much. Didn’t this all go down over a matter of weeks?
0 likesoh my god, Jacob Geller did another great video with Floyd; fear of the depths of you're interested.
0 likesPeople going "idiots these days and their cancel culture" when these people were trying to cancel a dying man in a cave and the people who broke themselves physically and mentally trying to help
1 likePeople have just always sucked
now, the most surprising thing about this video is:
0 likeswho the fuck are the 2000 plus people that disliked this story from history?
are they the 2000 other cave owners that got mad that Sand Cave actually got more tourists?
didn't have to randomly hit my nostalgia with the allied assault theme like that
0 likesOh, so THIS is why Youtube has been recomending me so many cave diving horror stories lately
1 like2 minutes in and I'm not sure I can watch this....how the hell that's a great idea is BEYOND me
0 likesHe somehow boosted local tourism in another way and succeeded
0 likesThis is the best documentary I’ve seen in a long time
0 likesA wonderful story, and I appreciate your telling of it.
2 likesWith that being said, it is absolutely disgusting to be reminded of just how utterly stupid and callous human beings can be when people's lives are in danger. Spoilers below:
The vast majority of people would rather gawk than to make meaningful attempts to help those in tragedy, treating the lives of others without any respect.
This man would have lived if more people had been willing to help, and fewer people had been crowding around. The man would have lived if they had thought to shore up the structurally failing cave from early into the process - something any engineer that heard of the story should have thought to suggest, rather than waiting until it was too late. So many things could have been done better, and ultimately his death was turned into a tourist attraction by yet more people who care more about money than about basic human dignity.
It just occurred to me that if he was trapped in there for that long then he definitely was sitting in his own excrement which just adds a whole additional layer of “yikes” to the whole situation.
1 likeeveryone: We'll get you out!
1 likecave:Are you sure about that?
This damn video had me squirming in my chair at work , thinking of the first time I went spelunking in Arizona on acid !
0 likesWe think the cave killed the man.
0 likesBut in the end, each step of the way, what killed poor Floyd was rampant Capitalism. Mad respect for all the friends, volunteers and miners involved.
And yet again, one heck of a video by internet historian
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Rampant capitalism? If anything capitalism helped Floyd because the paper sent a journalist who became very helpful. People selling hot dogs outside didn't stop anyone from helping Floyd.
0 likesI wouldn’t mind this being in a cinema.
2 likesThe dollop covered this story wonderfully. talked it out the same way you did. huh.
1 likeThis is your best yet! I loved it!
0 likesImportant Timestamps for Man in a Cave
20 likesSorry for how many there are and if the way I timestamp is inconsistent!
0:00-5:31; Introduction
5:31-7:26; AD time
7:26-11:47; Brief Explanation of the Cave Situation/Who is Floyd Collins?
11:17-14:16; Hours 0-28
14:16-19:46; Homer Collins Enters the Cave/Hours 28-71
19:46-23:22; William Miller Enters the Cave/ Hours 71-75
23:22-24:28; Publicization of Sand Cave
24:28-25:50; Lt. Robert Burdon Enters the Cave/ Hours 75-79
25:50-28:54; The Rope Pull
28:54-31:11; Johnnie Gerald Enters the Cave/ Hours 79-88
31:11-32:25; Burdon vs the Locals/ Hours 88-100
32:25-34:45; Miller Interviews Floyd/ Hours 100-103
34:45-36:15; Tourism Boom in Cave City/ Hours 103-108
36:15-38:34; Miller Moves the Rock/ Hours 108-122
38:34-40:09; Henry Carmichael and the National Guard Arrives/ Hours 122-114
40:09-42:03; Casey Jones Enters the Cave & Floyd’s Last Plead
42:03-43:58; First Cave-In/ Hours 144-128
43:48-44:49; Gerald’s Plan, Re-Stabilizing the Cave/ Hours 128-132
43:49-47:51; Second Cave-In & Mistakes/ Hours 132-142
47:51-50:52; Henry Carmichael’s Plan, Dig & The Problem with Machines/ Hours 142-152
50:52-52:39; Hand Digging the Rescue Tunnel/ Hours 152-170
52:39-55:14; Rumors
55:14-57:53; Digging Continues/ Hours 170-411
57:53-1:00:03; Digging Ends & Floyd’s Death
1:00:03-1:02:18; What Happened After?
1:02:18-1:02:52; Floyd is Laid to Rest
1:02:52-1:05:07; Capitalism Sure Does Breed Innovation & Floyd’s Dead Body Becomes an Attraction
1:05:07-1:07:27; Floyd’s Rescue and/or Grave Robbery
1:07:27-1:08:59; Floyd is Finally Out
1:08:59-1:09:55; Thank You’s and Extras
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Thanks ☺️
0 likesBro the body stealing moment might have been the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.
0 likes"Whatever you do, don't cut my foot off~" -Wendigoon 2022
0 likesWe saw the best and worst in humanity in this one story
2 likes48:46 I like how the miners are all the same guy. xD
1 likeThis is amazing that he escaped wait did he
0 likesI feel like this would be a really good Wes Anderson movie
0 likesThis event was such a big deal even the Peaky Blinders we’re there
0 likesas a black man, I kept saying "hell nah" through that entire intro
1 likeMy claustrophobia hit HARD this time I can barely breathe when even describing the start of the video let alone the rest
0 likesThis man really did become the attraction instead, jesus
0 likesSo in the end Floyd was put to rest to become a World of Tanks advertisement piece. Poor guy can't catch a break
1 likeBro 20 seconds in and my heart is pounding 😱
1 likeFascinating work mr historian
0 likescan someone give me a successful cave rescue story if it exists? I feel like I need that now
0 likesThe trippy death scene caused be to Sub.... let's see what else you've got. ....my god... if I drank a bunch of coffee after a dozen sausage sandwiches I'd fill the cave behind me right up.
1 likeDon't trust the beguiling lights, fill the caves with concrete!
0 likesThis is honestly one of the videos I've ever seen. Definitely rate it an out of 10!
0 likesWhat a great production!
0 likesI wanna see more videos like this
1 likeI wonder if he could have lived if there weren't so many gawkers around. They were so close before it started collapsing
0 likesprops to the elden ring soundtrack. i slept with the game open too many times.
0 likesI literally just watched the real story of this 🤯
0 likesI appreciate the use of The Last Guardian's soundtrack in this video.
0 likesGreat video! The newfound claustrophobia/PTSD kept me awake at for 2 nights - but it was nice to find out that most involved turned into exploiting shit-bags. It made me love this world again- sorry, reaffirmed my nihilism again.
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Mans kept awake by a documentary video and calls it PTSD.
0 likesYou’re right, the human race does suck.
Masterfully told, I sat on the edge of my seat the hole time.
0 likesOH I Was so high I thought they used the rock that crushed his leg as the headstone for Floyd's grave. That would have been dark
0 likes"Speaking of people trapped in a cave...: WORLD OF TANKS"
1 likeGenius.
The End. For now...
0 likesThe life of stone is a very ancient and patient one. The cave will outlive us all and one day, it will reclaim the bones of its sacrifice and Floyd will remain within its cold grasp for all eternity.
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Apart from the near countless things IH gets wrong, He was never reburied even once in Sand Cave. He was reburried in HIS cave, known as Crystal Cave. Y'know, one that was actually accessible. But of course IH cant be bothered to put the facts in his video. I did.
0 likesCosta concordia:
1 like"No more 45 minute videos on the main channel. Back to 10-15 min videos and more of them."
>This
Not complaining, it was great.
Always well done...
1 likeAs someone from just outside lexington we say "lullville" like lullaby
0 likes11:04 That Medal of Honor: Allied Assault theme tho
0 likes56:30 - “the rate of steady DRIPPING”
0 likesHey, seems like you can make a new video on a disastercon. Twitchcon and the foampit of death.
0 likesIt was man vs nature and he lost, it was society vs nature and they lost them it was nature and society just disrespecting this poor man's corpse for all the profits possible
0 likesI have never watched a video that had me this on edge...
0 likesI just finished my monthly prescription for Klonopin in one video.
0 likesBro at 25:53 that scared me so bad. I’m watching this at midnight, i nearly shit myself lol
0 likesI just wonder why they didn't dig till his feet on the fisrt attempt
1 likeHow mean to leave hos body in the cave. But don't believe for a second that his sould wasn't free. When he died, his soul soared high and no rock or gravel could stop him InshAllah.
2 likesOne of the best videos ive ever watched
0 likesI love the use of the Little Nightmares and Halo soundtrack
0 likesAs someone from Kentucky I can relate
0 likesDidn't expect this to be that sad
0 likes5:35 if you just want some sweet ad time without the claustrophobia
0 likesIf you have claustrophobia this is the worst thing to watch. Tried watching it, had to look away multiple times because the visuals just gave me the heebie-jeebies.
1 likeWendigoon? why you so silly getting yourself trapped in a cave
1 likeNever too late for a feeding tube
0 likesone man, one cave.
0 likesIncredible video!
0 likes1:05:38 Funniest joke of the video
1 likeGreat YouTube vid man watched the whole hour
0 likesThank you for using easy to understand measurements like inches and Subway sandwiches. My American brain can't understand metric. How many football feilds deep is the cave?
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When did he use Subway sandwiches as a measurement? Lol
0 likesSo the plan was that tourists would take this way too once he removed like an arm's length of dirt?
0 likesGerald, Miller, and Homer are actual chads
0 likesDamn I'd love IH to do Apollo 13 now
0 likesIf only they could’ve got him a little earlier
0 likesFabulous, just fabulous. Thank You
0 likeslove the little nightmares track inserts.
0 likesTook me 45 mins of video to realise the crowd is like, mostly Cillian Murphy
0 likesshould of never stopped digging out the man
0 likesStill waiting for “Fall of 76 + 1”
0 likes🍿Get ur popcorn ready! This is a good long video 😀
0 likeswhat a legend of a videos 😌
0 likesOh my God that’s like total claustrophobia
0 likesSo weird I just heard Danny Brown shout out this video on one of his newest podcasts
0 likesWhat a sad story, damn.
0 likesI went to mammoth cave in kentucky. pretty cool.
0 likesThis was an experience
0 likesDon't crawl through places carved by water.
0 likesWhy don't you cast the 2 brothers as the same race.
0 likesIs that wendigoon?🤣
0 likesThat ol' Black Stone Cherry song makes more sense now.
0 likesI cant think of a worse way to go, theres that other kid who got stuck head first in a squeeze
0 likesDamn Homer and Miller were truly men of integrity, Miller turns down a million dollars so he can write proper coverage of the tragedy and Homer uses his money to dig his brother's body out. Can many of us truly say we'd do the same?
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I can. I'm just built different.
0 likesI actually drew this scenario in an exercise at the fire station when I first became a captain (all on paper before anyone thinks we collapsed a cave on someone for laughs). I think I had an easier time of it with modern equipment and mutual aid from 4 rescue squads available, plus getting a feeding tube, IV drip, and cardiac monitor on with a Surgeon to supervise (as I say, all on paper, since we can’t trap someone in a cave just for training).
856 likesOn paper, we had “Floyd” out 21 hours after being found. In real life, I never want to be involved in a rescue like that.
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wow, thank you for sharing
28 likesReally shows how far technology has come
42 likes21 hours still sounds like its a hellish job to pull that off. I can inmagine its an interesting case study though!
64 likesI reckon you would probably also cordon off the cave to make sure people aren't destabilizing the cave like all the people did with Sand Cave.
76 likesyou should trap someone in a cave (just for "training")
7 likes@RFD804 Before watching this, I would have thought Baby Jessica would have been the go to.
1 likeLook up the nutty putty cave death before you so boldly assume that with modern tech we can rescue trapped cave goers…
0 likesWhat exactly did you use to free him?
6 likes@Dominic Troche in the drill, we could only use tools the county could provide in the first 72 hrs, after which command would be turned over to “outside entities”. So basically we used the sheriffs office to push onlookers back 500 feet from the cave, then had our medical team place the above mentioned life support equipment (luckily we have two medically trained people who are absolutely tiny and fearless of tight spaces or darkness). The “squeeze” was drilled out with a combination of concrete drills and old fashion hammer and chisel, which generously allowed for a crawlspace of 14 inches after 12 hours. This was done by breaking everything up into multiple relief crews. There were 6 “drill” teams of 3 each, whose only job was to drill out tight areas. They were backed up by a “shoring” team that composed 5 people who would make sure the cave was structurally sound by use of rescue jacks( if you’ve never seen them, you can use 4 of them to lift a house 10 feet off the ground if you know how to brace them right). After widening the squeeze, a drill team was to start chipping away at the rock face directly over the victims torso. This accomplished two things. It negated much of the upward force issue of a rope pull, and it provided extra space to dig out the gravel and get to the boulder. By hr 20 (and I understand this exercise was generous for time, under real conditions it may have been quite a bit longer), the squeeze was drilled out, the rock face above victim was reduced, most of the debris was removed around victim, and a 4 foot pry bar was placed on a pivot block to lift the rock. At that point, it was just lift the rock, move his leg, use a rescue harness to extricate, then placed on a backboard to be carried out. (It is worth mentioning that our surgeon believed that the victim would need to be monitored in the ICU for at least a week due to compartment syndrome on the possibly broken leg or due to blood clots from being in a supine position for 50 hours). Now i do believe this to be the most straightforward tactic if you’re a rural fire department without a large amount of specialized equipment, but had the exercise given the option, I would have preferred to call in a mine rescue team (there are 2 that can be on scene in our district within 4 hours) for extra equipment and expertise. I still think the time frame was a bit generous, as some of the conditions mentioned in this video weren’t directly accounted for other than to say “unlikely with proper crowd control”.
37 likes@LC Merit so this was one of the random draws. There were 8 possible scenarios on our draw card for captain, based on real events.
18 likes1. Well rescue (baby Jessica)
2. Cave rescue (Floyd Collins)
3. Commercial fire with entrapment.
4. Commercial fire with HAZ-MAT (propane storage yard)
5. Mass Transit MVA (a school bus over the guardrail halfway down a ridge)
6. Brush fire with structures in danger (Gatlinburg wildfire was not long before this)
7. Tornado (same year one hit Cookeville, TN)
8. Flood rescue (flooded subdivision without road access).
The draw cards were for more mentally taxing jobs, the instructor at the time liked to throw people into difficulty and see if they could make a plan.
@Dominic Troche i wouldn't, i would have shot him in the head instead
0 likesclearly he wasn NOT getting-out again
@RFD804 very cool, thanks for the reply
8 likesIt's amazing how better equipment, training and experts can make a huge difference to the rescue.
3 likesI'm with you, no one would want to be put in a position like this. It would be terrible either way.
I know Australia has been pretty good in rescues like this. For bringing over professional drilling equipment etc.
@Khenfu Cake 100%. I don't know how a bit of commonsense didn't kick in, to cordon off the whole area.
5 likes@RFD804 Thank you for the detailed explanation! Since I saw this video, I've gotten fascinated with looking up how to do a rescue right. It's brain bleach to hear the fire department would have a plan.
1 likeSame thing going through my mind as a first responder. What equipment could we use? How realistic would our effort be and what extra resources could we call in.
0 likes@Jag Girl Modern technology has made cave rescue a lot easier for sure. In the 1920's they simply did not have the equipment we have available now. On top of that we also have better administration for public services like f.ex. firefighter departments due to a century of improvements. Communication and transportation are also much faster and efficient so it would be easy to fly in experts quickly if need be.
3 likesThe fact Floyd Collins essentially had to rely on local volunteers to rescue him until his predicament became national news is not very likely to happen nowadays.
@Jag Girl Also most experienced cavers nowadays wouldn't go anywhere near a cave like Sand Cave which was made up by sandstone and limestone held together with dirt and mud. It was basically bound to collapse at some point and Floyd Collins himself only hastened that inevitability by expanding it in the months leading up to the collapse.
6 likesTruth is Sand Cave would never have been suitable for cave exploration let alone be open for tourists (I will also add that IH made a small mistake by implying Collins corpse was put on display in Sand Cave. Obviously it wasn't because it was neither suitable for visitors nor was Sand Cave even located on the Collins property. His corpse was put in Crystal Cave; the cave Collins originally wanted to use for tourists).
you can't trap someone in a cave with that attitude
0 likes@Jag Girl If they'd blocked off the area and told people to go home, the tourists would've been mad and said "Aw man, you're ruining all our fun," and in 1920s America, what was really the priority?
0 likeshow would the surgeon reach him what guarantee is there that the rock wouldnt collapse on him if moved or widened seems like a ton if variables i can totally see why you wouldnt want to do this the real cause of his death was rubbernecking.... thats whats sad they saw the cave deteriorating and decided to not change any behavior.
1 like@bastiat the surgeon to place a feeding tube was a standby to kick in if things had gone longer (when I say supervise, I mean standing at the top of the cave with a field phone giving instructions to the medics). The other medical interventions can be performed by an EMT-A in our region, or by county EMS paramedics.
1 likeAs far as the collapse potential, that’s a risk we take on most of our calls involving man made or natural structures. You can brace all you want but the potential is always there. The plan isn’t perfect, and there are probably other rescue techs that have better ideas. This is just what myself and two lieutenants war gamed at the table when the chief instructor handed us the packet.
@RFD804 you mean being a useless cunt got ya because you cant wipe your ass with out a instruction manual i like how your ideas all revolve around someone being in charge instead of people using common sense. pretty clear how capable you are on your own.
0 likes@Sara Pineda I guess it was fun....lol
0 likesWendi’s face
0 likes45:50 is this the Elden Ring OST?
0 likesMan Gerald was such an amazing friend despite the result. He tried and was truly determined in order to be there and save his friend.
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Yes - the brother, him and Miller amazed me so much
43 likesIf they had just stuck to digging him out with a bucket in the first place, and there hadn't been national news about it.. the outcome would have been different.
7 likesSpoiler!!! My fault for reading the comments I guess
2 likes@Lorna S Ahhh, sorry! I've been lamenting the outcome all day.
1 likeIts sad cuz if they would have jist left him.alone he woulda been able to get him out
2 likesThis has the highest production value of any Internet Historian video yet. Better than most documentaries I’ve seen
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Netflix NEEEEEDS to hire him!!!!👌❤️
2 likesyoure saying this tops the costa concordia? good story but naaaaah
17 likesthats the art of being a master story teller. IH is a great literary master. he clearly has a great appreciation for stories.
9 likesI'd also like to point out the poetic nature of human life and death. With absolutely no hope of survival, shortly after the literal light went out, Floyd died. Can't make that stuff up. Humans are far more rooted in symbolism than we like to give ourselves credit.
@1337 it gonna fucking enslave him and make production worse.
25 likes@ZMAPP Chan This, plus Netflix is kinda dead isn't it?
10 likes@светльо dead horse who is beaten.
0 likes@Adam Cormier To be fair he made some obscure story into a award winning Documentary.
0 likes@1337 I feel like over the past few years we've moved beyond the point where being hired a big production studio is a step-up for top quality creators
2 likes@ZMAPP Chan not obscure at all, see 35:27
0 likes@huh968 what about 1940-2022?
0 likesMad respect for Miller but you also gotta give Homer a ton of respect. That’s a man who was willing to crawl into hell without hesitation to save his brother.
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Miller didn't even know who Floyd was but still did it. Every brother should have done what Homer did and most of them would have done it.
2 likesLet's also not forget about Gerald. Sure he might've been experienced with caving more than the two but he sure did his absolute hardest to get Floyd out. If he didn't get hit by that rock, maybe he'd make a hole to contact him once again. Truly a great friend.
8 likesThese three lads - Homer, Miller and Gerald all deserve respect and shall never be forgotten.
Whenever Sumito's in an IH video, his character is always an absolute ride-or-die. Keep that up.
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Heavily agree
7 likesNot with Stede Bonnet.
5 likesThe Man was just chasing his dream, what a horrible fate for him
0 likes45:50 Oblivion soundtrack
0 likesR.I.P Wendigoon, you will always be remembered and will live in our hearts😔🙏
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Shame internet historian trapped him in a cave and starved him for this video. But I’m sure Wendigoon understands that his life is totally worth losing for our entertainment
0 likesGod an hour long video from Internet Historian, what a great moment to be alive and not stuck on a cave
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Ya man, fuck caves
0 likesDamn, only 1 hour.
3 likesOr stuck in a cave with an ethernet cable that your rescuers have kindly thought about installing in advance. Hello to all my stuck spelunkers with Internet access!
0 likesI AM THE BEEST YOUUTUBER YOU'RE ALL TRAASH COMPARED TO ME IM THE BEEST 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯
0 likeswhat a wonderful video
0 likesthis video is my new fave horror movie
0 likesI shudder to think what Floyd experienced in the time between the lightbulb burning out and his death from exposure. Undeserving of such a cruel fate. My heart grows heavy at the thought.
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It's poetically tragic that he finally passed on just after the lightbulb went out. Like his last bits of hope died with it and he just decided to let go.
75 likesIts just so fucking sad
21 likes@JonokBR ™ we have the same empathetic response and I pray Floyd knows how many and how much people truly do care about and feel for him, are impressed by his bravery, strength, and grit and are saddened by his tragedy. That counts for something, even retroactively.
15 likesHis spirit passing. Made the lightbulb burn out
5 likesSame.. it breaks my heart to think what he had to go through from the beginning. It's a terrifying situation.
2 likesHe did not deserve that. No one deserves that... I don't know if prayers will reach him, but I'd love to believe they do. RIP Floyd.
@WolfWhistleWooWoo 🙏
1 likeThis should be a movie
0 likesThe ending subverted my expectations. I expected him to get freed, but instead, we were given approximately 18 'what the fuck?' moments in a row.
333 likesMan, such a nightmare scenario. Honestly wouldn’t wish what happened to Floyd on my worst enemy.
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Nah, I think I would
7 likesWhat if it was hitler
0 likes@YK68 Then someone worse would seize the power vacuum that the allies created when they cut up Germany ala carte style, lmao.
7 likes@YK68 hurr durr hitler was sooo bad. What the bolshevihks and escpecially stalin did to Russia and the rest of Europe faaaar eclipse anything the NSDAP ever did.
0 likesHe can’t breathe 😢
1 like@nullset2 i would too
0 likesThe ending with all the cast members just gives out a wholesome vibe. Makes me feel grateful for friends, being alive and not being trapped in a cave 🙂
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have you ever thought that throughout all your lives sometimes you lives a life where you get further from people and sometimes you live a life where we get closer. many people say we are all one underneath this illusion of life as separate beings in life so as we get closer in each life we become closer to the ultimate true state of one being.
6 likes" if you dont let me out i will hire a gang of hitmen to kill your family "
1 likeI loved the smile 🙂 you made in the end 🤡👌
1 likeYou never know. You can still, somehow, get trapped in a cave sometime in the future.
1 likeIt's honestly so sad that Homer died in 1969 and never got to see his brother finally be brought out of the cave and laid to rest. I like to think they saw each other again somewhere in the great beyond.
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What? I thought they brought his body out in 1925
1 likeAnd then they put it right back in
1 likeTHX FOR THE SPOILER YOU DOUCHENOZZLE
1 likeThanks for spoiling it
0 likes@Jaime Valencia Next time, don't read the comments before finishing a video
26 likesThis story really shows the duality of man. On one hand, it's people coming together for a common cause to help out someone in need, on the other it's the disgusting exploitation of a tragedy for self gain.
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Also, that the man was happy and hopeful that people were helping him, yet tried to get one of them trapped with him so he wouldn't die alone.
2 likes@Zzannez Yeah which is incredibly fucked up, how a desperate situation can turn a good man into a selfish one.
0 likes"Never let a good disaster go to waste"
0 likesLol decent humor didn’t expect it
0 likesGlad to see that Thomas Shelby cares so much about his community he showed up to help Floyd
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Mr. Shelby would have gotten him out. 😔
23 likesFunny that Tommy was a cave digger during WW1.
17 likesI can hear Arthur going: "Oi Tômmy hand mei da bloudy crowbah, oi'm gettin' that fookin' gypsy outta there"
12 likesA whole bunch of him, actually.
0 likesGreat video
0 likesIt had to have been such an unimagnable horror to be stuck in that cave for so long but the silver lining to these tragedies is that in the aftermath people were able to develop both tools & techniques to rescue people from caves and protocols to make sure something like this doesn't happen again in the first place.
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This is the kind of rescue work written in blood
43 likesIt has definitely improved, but it's still far from perfect.
19 likesSee Nutty Putty Cave
@Juxtaposed Lime Well that dude was f'd if you see how he was stuck, which was upside down at an awkward angle. No amount of modern technology could have saved him.
23 likesE
0 likesDidn’t help nutty putty
3 likesNutty Putty incident is a prime example of how un-excusably bad modern cave rescue equipment is. No money gets put into that kind of research... Which shows where government priorities lie.
0 likesYou're supposed to report the internet history, not create it
0 likesAs a digging man myself, I don't think most ppl know what lies beneath the first 3-4 ft of ground soil. It's bedrock. Without automatic tools, its the most backbreaking, slow, grueling work I've ever done. Also, all the townspeople do gather round to watch you dig. As it is one of the most subtle joys in all the world. The simple yet satisfying sound of metal hitting dirt.
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Ah, a fello digger.
34 likesTrue and even then power tools can only get you so far
9 likesI don't know how you can say a depth on bedrock, that's different everywhere. When our well was dug the drillers made it over 100 ft before hitting the first rock. All clay. Sure is easy to dig ponds and lakes here though.
15 likes@John Doe depends on the area, where I’m from there’s about 5 feet of clichi then sum clay then it’s just solid rock
6 likesi am not fond of black, brown, and yellow people. and also red people. please take them out .
0 likesEven just with pickaxes the amount of folk up top and lallygagging could’ve made a great amount of effort digging straight down. The amount of folk who turned around at turn around cave could have expanded that gap. Then again I don’t know Jack and only made a couple Fox holes, small tunnels and trenches in my time and Iam less then a novice on the topic. Edit note this was post ww1 they did extensive tunnel work in that war so how were there not more professionals involved? Also I love that one of the people involved was named Casey jones. I swear the crowds caused the cave in, how only one guy realize that is beyond me. Final edit note: I saw Thomas Shelby in the crowd in this vid and I love that.
1 likeoh yes...hobby gold digger here...I was utterly surprised how hard it is to dig in a river when I did for the first time...it´s like concrete, almost impossible to get something out of there, I had a pickaxe but that did not help very much...
1 likeWhere r u from where u find shale so shallow? Where I am it's usually like 25 ft at least
1 likeplus it's impossible to break bedrock if you aren't in creative mod.
6 likesAnd beyond the bedrock is an endless void.
3 likes@gautheuil
1 likeNot true
@Hayden Lau How then?
0 likes@gautheuilscicraft has done it
1 likeBedrock depth varies wildly. For example, in California, you can be near the coast, and bedrock can be 300 feet deep due to the ocean carrying sediments onto the shoreline; then you can head a mile inland and bedrock will be sticking through the surface (overburden). In parts of upstate New York and southern Ontario, a shallow ocean (Champlain Sea) once covered the area, and as a result, the area is covered by a hundred meters of glaciomarine clay overlaying limestone.
1 likeAll that to say that bedrock depth is incredibly variable depending on where you are. In areas like cordilleras or that have experienced significant glaciation in the (relatively) recent past, bedrock depth can go from very deep to very shallow in a very short distance. If you think of the topography you see on the surface; there is equally as much "topography" in the bedrock depth underneath the loose soil that overlies it.
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0 likes@Kevin Cheuk NE US. I think it's due to the ground freezing during winter. It creates these super condensed layers of rocks that are tougher than concrete.
0 likesGreat question, where did you dig and what was it like?
If anyone has a good dig story, this is the place.
@Ryan at the discotec Like I said, the clay where we are (central MO) is very deep and all colors of the rainbow. We were digging a lake to stop a large ditch eroding up a branch. Had to stop digging in one area as the ground started swimming...thin crust on top but felt liquidy underneath. We took a 20 ft length of rebar, poked it through the crust, and sank it all the way down by hand with no resistance. Pulled it back out, and it was covered in a blue, slimy, pudding consistency clay. No idea how deep that pocket went.
1 likethe editing reminds me of the show angela anaconda lol
0 likesyou know the storytelling is immersive when you dont notice it was in black and white until colour appears
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Or maybe you're going color blind lol.
19 likes@Pantsalonis Nah
1 likebetter call saul reference
3 likesBro wtf I actually didn't notice
4 likesI couldn't see, until I opened my eyes.
0 likesWTF. I just realized with your comment that it was almost all black and white xD
0 likesInternet Historian is such an incredible storyteller. Just a few minutes in and I'm already filled with the sensation of dread.
315 likesThere’s Elden ring music in here too right, around 46 mins in? Not in the music list
0 likesMiller is the best journalist in the history of the universe
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Seriously I'd like to see Dan Rather do that shit.
1 likeIt's really sad when you realize that Floyd probably would've been saved if either all those people were ordered away by the police, or if Floyd/Miller realized they should just tie the wooden blocks together so they wouldn't slip underneath the jack.
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Or got a bigger block. It couldn't have been that hard to ask someone to cut a wooden block of the proper dimensions. This is a tragic tale of just slightly too little and far too late at every stage.
73 likesOnly after Floyd's chances of escape literally crumble do people actually start coming up with real solutions (other than just dig him out)
46 likesI guess people didn't really understand the situation.
7 likesEasy to say when you see this situation from a third person perspective...
26 likes@Pax what makes me wonder, is why they didnt just start digging immedietly. And why the guy didnt dig himself instead of crawling far in and picking up rocks. Like if the goal is tourism. Who would wanna go past the squeeze even if he did manage to clear those rocks. Seems like he wasted months on clearing a path further in than any tourist would be willing to go anyway.
2 likes@PvtLenny because at first they didn''t have enough manpower to do such digging operation. it was only possible after the word got out and the government got involved.
4 likes@Joe Martin but didn'tthey have 100'ths of people after a couple of days. all just spectating or refusing to go past the squeeze?
0 likesOr you know.. dig at the other side of the cave, for 1 week with 7 people
0 likesYou have to understand that the entrance was REALLY difficult and was getting worse each time they entered (because of ice melting). And people that were saving him had minimum experience in caves altogether, let alone these types of slim junctions. They were experiencing existential dread every f*cking time they entered the room. So it was mentally easier to try again and again, than go out for 15 minutes and then come back and face that hole. Heck, they had an example before their eyes every time they entered. A slight mistake and now you have 2 men trapped inside.
1 likeLogical solution would be to provide food, water and light supplies regularly, make him a pillow or something, so his head is not in the water constantly, while professionals dag up for a week and freed him from the other side, like his brother did afterwards, to his legs, and not to his head. Many ideas were discussed but they were all too late.
@PvtLenny did you really think digging straight down is easy lol, especially done by the locals? What if they dug it carelessly and a freaking 1 ton rock just slammed into his face lmao its not minecraft
1 like@PvtLenny Spectating and causing tremors with their every move that eventually trapped Floyd even more.
1 like@Fabian didnt think straight down. but since they were scared of the squeeze maybe they should dig that wider?
0 likes@Jun Gerald literally told everybody when they first arrived that they couldn't stand around because all the heat from the fires would cause a cave collapse. People didn't care about Floyd, they just wanted to watch the drama unfold.
0 likesOkay, it's driving me mad. What's the music that's playing at 15:25. I'm pretty sure it from a game and I can't remember for the life of me 😭😭😭
0 likesHe’s really outdone himself this time. The best storyteller ever.
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And wendigoon 😅
1 likeLiterally on my 3rd watch/listen to today. No joke, this was very good
4 likeswhen i saw thomas shelby i cracked up ol
0 likesThis is a small useless comment but I am ecstatic that you used the Little Nightmares soundtrack
0 likesWhen I heard that gerald moved half a tonne of rocks; I'm not sure why but I started crying. What an amazing effort.
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Dude was a fucking gigachad
53 likesback then the media would make up numbers so im not so confident about that info but still i think he raised the morale of everyone involved
5 likesFor me, it was when Floyd asked the man to stay with him before he got trapped. Heartbreaking.
2 likesWinchester mentioned??! based 🗿
1 likeFor those of you who don't know, this event scenario actually happened again.
741 likesin 2009, John jones. a cave diver enthusiast went down to the nutty putty cave, a " cave for beginners "
He went down in there several times, and is likely a regular diver, but unfortunately, he ended up in the wrong pathway, instead of going to the " Aotra Crawl ", he ended up in " Ed's push " which is kinda like floyd's place, but even more tighter and John jones was Head first down,
The difference is, till this day, John jones' body is still inside the cave, and is officially considered his cave grave, they could never retreave his body because the cave was extremely tight and rescuers can't even pull up or simply reach his body.
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I never looked into it, but wasn't he an incredibly experienced caver who purposefully took the much harder path?
35 likes@Beep Bop yeah he was pretty daring but the reason he got stuck was because he mistook one tunnel for another so accidentally went into the wrong one
115 likes@Beep Bop
57 likesHe wanted to go to the deeper section of the cave, but unfortunately took a different opening simply because he missed it and didn't know which was the right one, so he ended up head first at the dead end of the cave which was also a full drop. called " Ed's push "
Lol John Jones
0 likes@Skaiva Chase how do we know which assumption is true?
2 likesthey could but needed him to decompose first.
0 likes@William Shakemilk his brother was with him and knew exactly what had happened
19 likesdont forget they filled up the hole afterwards.
9 likesIs Ed's Push named after Edd Sorenson by chance?
1 likeChrist, imagine dying at a place called the Nutty Putty Cave. Poor guy.
13 likesAnd this, dear friends, is why you'll never catch me inside of a cave that doesn't have lights, stairs, and a tacky overpriced gift shop.
27 likesThings like this have happened quite a bit, caves are dangerous.
6 likesthats not even getting into cave diving, which has and even higher death rate..
Gets even more sad, guy just got into med school, came back to Utah with his wife and infant daughter for thanksgiving break and passed away thanksgiving morning after I think 3 days. I think with him being inverted put too much of a strain on his heart to oxygenate his blood. Really a heart breaking story.
3 likesthe space you leave in between your quotation marks and the quote itself is a terrible and infuriating practice. people go to prison for less
1 like@Justin Kashtock
0 likesEah! It's just white people doing white people thing~ who could tell em to stop?
Ah yeah I was gonna comment this, I live not far from the caves and my parents explored them before they sealed them up
0 likesMy mind immediately went to him.
0 likes@Justin Kashtock imagine seeing a hole that's not even a subway sandwich long and you decide I wanna crawl into that. Then you are in that hole and can only move when you exhale.
1 likevery sad
0 likesThat part where Floyd calls the other person to stay with them so that he does not die alone. Bone.fucking.chilling. That truly shows how a man who knows he is going to die reacts. What fear can do to a person... Darn man. Bone fucking chilling still.
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I don't think he expected to die at that point. Many people had come see him and they went and came back for him multiple times. I think he just wanted to not wait alone in the dark for another day.
2 likesHe was also probably not in his right mind. Like he said before, the inconsistent food, loss of blood circulation and hypothermia made his speech somewhat unintelligible and delirious at times. If he was perfectly lucid he might said things differently, but hey maybe not. Still seriously fucked up tho.
8 likes4mins in this is terrifying...ha ha ha...
1 likeIt's pretty heart shattering that Floyd very nearly intentionally trapped a man in the cave with him just to avoid dying alone, only to end up dying alone anyway, with no idea if anyone was even attempting to come for him anymore.
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Panic will make people do things like that unfortuantely.
14 likesIs it fucked up that I would consider staying
0 likesHe had been trapped in that cave for days by that time and surely was not in his right mind.
2 likeshow does exposure kill people
0 likesBrutal truth of death. When death is near, there is is no reasoning, no logic, no dignity.
0 likesOnly piss, stinking scared to literally shit themselves.
Floyd either accept death and obey his DNA response to be an animal.
Or beg for the slightest hope and be human. Begging for company might be the last humanity action.
@Benz :p They die from hypothermia or heat stroke! It depends on the situation. Floyd died from hypothermia. I am a caver and just caving for 16 hours, I have felt the beginning effects of hypothermia, the first symptom is uncontrollably shivering and the next problem is not being able to think straight. I had gotten wet as well. Its a scary experience.
0 likesI was legit yelling when you spoke about the tourists driving there and forming around the cave, im sure that was another part of why the cave collapse. This was so fucking captivating, the anger of peoples stupidity, hope, optimism, fear, anxiety and eventually melancholic sadness. I unironically almost cried watching this a and i dont fully understand why
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I had the same reaction.
6 likesthis video is a movie its soooooo gooood
1 likeWhat a horrifying story, couldn't imagine the fear and hopelessness that Floyd experienced, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
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Then you need to make better enemies
22 likesGeorge Floyd? Cause it was kinda like the same thing hahahahah OH SHIT
1 likeI dunno, I'd be okay with Putin being put in his place.
5 likesPlay stupid games win stupid prizes, what a stupid hobby.
0 likes@TwerkToSpec I don't think Floyd Collins ever pointed the gun at any pregnant women tho 🤔
14 likesGreat story for a musical adaptation, amarite?
0 likes@gupiwa putin bad america good jaja
4 likes@gupiwa no other world leader would invade another nation sending into turmoil and costing tens of thousands of lives. No one else but putin, he’s the worst.
0 likesI would
0 likes@TwerkToSpec no it isnt that idiot just took to many drugs
0 likesAnd died ,the cop didnt kill him
@TwerkToSpec GF died from overdose and panic.
0 likes@Misanthropic Servitor of Mars Nah, Putin bad, America bad, human bad. But bad is spectrum.
0 likesthis reply section fucking sucks
0 likesNo puedo verlo, que angustia me ha dado
0 likes[46:00-47:17] Gerald is as close as humans can get to a demonstration of goodwill and the strength of selflessness. He is hit in the head with a loose rock and digs like a man possessed to save his soul-brother. Only when he nearly dies does he even attempt to stop, and he still supports his best friend by coming to oversee the rescue efforts.
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yes
1 likedid I hear the elden ring open world music?
0 likesi swear, never have I ever witnessed a video that managed to make me feel so much hope and despair in less than 2 hours as this one. the whole situation was tense for the entire time from the moment he got stuck to the moment they found him dead. the amount of effort, time, and hope people put in to saving one man was awe inspiring even if it turned out to be all for nothing. In the end, the lesson of this is that caving is a stupid stunt humans do because some of us seemingly don't have enough claustrophobia and that Floyd was a victim of the absolute bullshit that is getting stuck in something so well that a small army of people couldn't save him.
422 likesand then there's the section of his grave and corpse being vandalized which also reminds me that humans are terrible creatures that can't help but mess with stuff they have no justification to mess with.
this level of cinematic quality is why I am subscribed to this channel.
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No spoilers you mong.
0 likesthe difference is cave diving now doing it as a hobby, in Floyd's case, he wants to make money
0 likes@Diogenes' Lantern don't read the comments if you want to avoid spoilers.
0 likesYeah nah.
0 likesFloyd just happened to be a caver 100 years ago.
With modern technology he wouldn't be nearly as fucked.
Now, as for Nutty Putty Cave, that's a different story...
@cool dud oof, don't even remind me of nutty putty cave. that's pure nightmare fuel and probably 95% why i'll never willingly enter a cave that isn't super wide and well terriformed.
0 likesAs a big sister, Homer's dedication to his brother is just absolutely heart-rending to me. He wasn't going to give up on him ❤️
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That's what I was thinking, the fact that he was also able to win tug of war against the six men because they were crushing his brother is so crazy too. Brother of the century bruh
66 likesas a little sister having to cut my older brother off after decades of abuse I am very much living vicariously
8 likesmeanwhile I'd still die for him?
can you IMAGINE the mental torture it would have been to be one of those rescuers and realize that Floyd would have likely survived if not for the giant crowds making a mockery of the whole thing? Instead of getting slim men to volunteer, taking shifts, that rubble would have been cleared in a few days.
31 likes@hiropon I'd like to cut my older sister and her 3 kids off for financially abusing me.
0 likesYeah its got me on the edge of my seat, i pray that i'd have the courage and balls to do this for my sister. Homer is a fuckin g.
10 likes@hiropon How does that relate?
4 likes@Dolorous John Literally I put myself in Homer's position and I was like "I don't know if I'd be brave enough to do what he did" but as soon as I actually imagined my own sister in FLOYD'S position, it was crystal clear that I absolutely would go down. No way could I leave her all alone in that situation, no matter how scared I might be ;_;
8 likes@Emma Righto bro i'm with you 100%, Its just so hard to even imagine the situation, it makes me anxious to even try to picture it.
7 likesAs an only child… guess I’d let him die?
0 likesNot having a sibling sucks donkey balls.
0 likes@TheLuigiNoidPerson 109 means I'd still help my bro no matter what. I'd help you too if you were stuck buddy <3 no man left in hole!!
0 likesAmazing
0 likesNever would I have thought that the internet historian re telling a story from the 1920’s would have been in a giant puddle of tears but here we are. Rip Floyd, if only knew how much of a legend he was
68 likesIt's heartwrenching that Floyd never made it out alive.
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yee I thought this is a bizzare story in which he makes it out... ;/
0 likesThis one hour video only felt like 20 minutes, I have felt such a wide range of emotions. I will never go caving, let alone underwater diving into anything like that at all.
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i feel the same exact way but we'll probably regret it when we're old and dying.
0 likesMore excellent content from an excellent YouTuber. Not a moment of this whole video lacked suspense. The humorous scenes and remarks were all genuinely funny. Some of the best, if not the best video essays on the site.
2 likesThis is a hell of a story. What roller coaster of emotions, I laughed, I feared, I cried...
3 likesWhat an amazing story, never heard of it and in the privacy of my own room made me shed a tear of hope before the great collapse happened
1 likeThank you for another masterful work and all the time you put into it for us! Must watch content every time
1 likeThank You for making this documentary on Floyd. I would have not known about this unfortunate historic incident, but man this makes me not want to go in caves even more now.
1 likeif any of this had ever worked. how would he have tunneled out the "turnaround room"
1 likei understand that the idea of excavating your own cave is particularly... mad … but what was he going to do? smack the entrance to the "squeeze" with a pickaxe? imo if this gravel cave in didn't claim his life. another one would of weeks or months later.
your story telling is immense.
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Imma be honest chief.
0 likesIf he managed to get out of the gravel I don't think he would ever go back in
This made me feel cold.
0 likesThis should’ve been a showcase on how our capacity to care for complete strangers and our strength in cooperation can lead to great things.
But it was instead a showcase on the folly of those very things. I’m sure most weren’t there for money and truly wished for the best. But too many of them cared and wanted to help, literally muddying the situation and causing the cave in. An excess of care and cooperation took his life.
Goes to show that too much good nature in people can be a bad thing in some circumstances. Which is a very cynical, even disturbing prospect personally speaking.
Favorite fella in the story was definitely Miller, he was just a news reporter at the start, but then he started giving it his all out of compassion. He was Homer's first piece of hope.
3 likesHoly shit!
1 likeI love each of those guys especially ❤️ goon!! For such a tragic story I absolutely loved this it was great
Thrilling story, and a brilliant naration! Thank you for a great evening
0 likesOh hey I visited this cave once, when we visited Mammoth Caves. Obviously we only looked into the very opening of it, but even just being told the story by a tour guide was freaky enough as is
1 likeGreat story, as always! But I was wondering why they didn't go through the other way while he was alive and lifted the rock? I mean if that's how the body was recovered it should have worked earlier, no?
0 likesWhat a great video! Almost a feature film length. Lord I stayed up too late watching this, well it was worth it.
0 likesThis was an AMAZING overview of this story!
0 likes19:32 Okay so far you are making a tragic story extremely funny I mean a family member going to find his brother wondering if he's dead or alive crawling out to the hole and the other brother finding him and he just says" sup" effing genius and then anytime anyone gets up to turn around point yep nope and with that voice makes it so much better
0 likesWhat an amazing retelling of events! A brilliant example of the positive side of youtube. Well done!
0 likesThat bastard of a cave. I knew how the story was going to end as I watched and I couldn't stop myself from getting hopeful. I legitimately thought he might have gotten out again this time. Thought I must have confused this story with another one. Thought THIS TIME THE MAN SURVIVES.
0 likesThat bastard of a cave.
What technique did they use to determine the exact location of where to dig so they end up digging right on top of his head?
0 likesAnd how'd they know the depth so precisely? Barometer I guess?
The end had me dying laughing, like bro they couldn’t stop messing with this poor f——ers body even after he was dead, dude was gone and still kept getting sent into the f——ing cave
0 likesI went to the mammoth caves a couple years ago, and I pissed in an abandon bathroom that looked like it was ripped right out of an office building, but run down. I needed to piss and…cave. So I found it and the door was open but jo lights were on, so I pissed and when I got back to our group a tour guide started telling us a story about someone who pissed in an abandon bathroom down here and how crazy it was, while I was sitting thinking “sick now he gets to say it happened twice”
0 likesthis seems more like a storymode thing there are some more interesting internet concepts that i was hoping you guys would cover but i guess your going for obscure history
0 likesthe way he was exploited way after his death and they wouldn’t let this poor man rest, makes me absolutely mad
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Aahh, america, the land of the greedy; where incredible few has the heart of a truly good man.
0 likesYou have yet again blown us away. WELL DONE SIR. 👌🏻
0 likesIn case anyone is wondering, the exact track used from Outer Wilds at 23:55 is "Timber Hearth".
1 like56:39 wow that's pretty genius but I feel like with the weather in this cave just does not want this man to live it's like everything is against them
0 likesInsane story. Thanks for telling it!
0 likesIt's been a while, Internet Historian. Look forward to your next video... whenever that'll come...
1 likeAmazing story, this video is more engrossing than most movies!
0 likesworld of thanks...
0 likesto the internet historian for another awesome content.
Great video. And I'm happy to see Rusty Cage appearing in other videos.
1 likeYearly story time with IH is always satisfying
1 likeSo I'm going to mammoth cave this Wednesday thank you for giving me a great story to think of while I'm there
0 likesI think the thing that strikes me most about this story is how easily a profit was made by essentially mocking Floyd's death. The ease at which greed was able to work, compared to the agonizing effort to save the man by the few people who were selfless enough to actually try, leaves me feeling very bitter.
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Well? Now you know why so few go to heaven if you believe in that shit, hahaha.
0 likesFun fact : recently a very similar story happened in Morocco couple of months ago
1 likeIt's about a kid named Ryan who accidentally felt in a well while playing around and his story became very famous in the Arab world
Unfortunately he was found died one week after the accident .
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Skill issue.
0 likesOk but seriously now my condolences to this man's family, losing a loved one is one of the worst experiences you could ever feel, especially when it's just a child.
Hadn’t heard this story but as it got going I recognized it’s basic contours from Billy Wilder’s Ace in the Hole, which took the basic outline of what happened and made a fictional story out of it. It’s a great movie, but it’s ironic that the Kirk Douglas journalist character who goes down into the cave to get the story is portrayed as the biggest piece of shit in a movie filled with pieces of shit. The character might not be named Miller, but still…. If I were Miller, I’d have been pissed given the whole “almost dying trying to rescue him” thing.
0 likesWhat a great story teller, I have claustrophobia now😂
0 likesSo a guy risks his life daily in a tight crevice to move some rocks so he can get into a beautiful opening in this cave.
1 likeInstead of... you know, picking away at the sh*t ton of rock and make the crevice into hallways and ramps, which he would've needed to do anyway if he was going to make the cave a tourist attraction.
Are you really going to force people to go through The Squeeze to get to the crystal cavern?
Yes, it would take a long while. Time is money. But is Little Miss Tabitha Jane Johnson really going to get her new dress dirty and risk her life to go down in these caves, see the crystals, and pay you a dollar? Would you be able to compensate her family if she was injured or even died?
Are you really considering risking your own life to clear this pile of rocks from an already tight crevice just so you can later realize you'll have to mine out a ton of rock anyway?
Yes. Yes you are. And for your wasted efforts, you will die a slow and painful death in the dark. You can't run a business if you're dead, Floyd.
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Cant say youre wrong
0 likesLove to see you working with wendigoon 😍 and what a video to do with him
1 likeThe thing is even if he was rescued, it's highly likely that he would have died in hospital. Basically what happens when you're immobilized by rubble (as with this case or for example people trapped in buildings after an earthquake) is that the blood flow is restricted, causing your muscles not to get adequate oxygen, causing them to break down and release myoglobin in the blood stream. This will cause kidney failure. If you're eventually suddenly released from the entrapment without proper preparation, the sudden re-introduction to oxygen to your extremities can cause a "reoxygenation injury", after which you appear like you're recovering and then suffer cardiac arrest and die.
0 likesThis channel is incredible, what an interesting way to tell this story.
1 likeThe master in story telling is back.
0 likes43:41 Damn, the commotion got to the point where Thomas Shelby had to bring his clone
2 likesI absolutely lost it when I saw Wendigoons face in the cave LOL
0 likescrazy that the structural stability of the cave was only really tested when 200 people parked their cars on top of it.
0 likesI also feel like you added your own spin to this I believe I have to look up this man's name I want to make sure that this is the same story
0 likesI love how IH put on one of his best suits for this 😀
0 likesHistorian, why do you do this to us?
0 likesAnyone else with massive recall of the Thai cave rescue? I remember being at the supermarket and I refreshed the news and saw two more boys were out and I let out a little happy noise. It was a bit louder than I intended and some people looked up, I said, another two boys are out of the cave! Massive grin on my face. And the like four randoms were like, oh awesome!
I know, I know, then everyone clapped yadda yadda... But this was just a moment in time uniting 5 random people in a supermarket late at night over the fruits and vegetables. Good memory
LMMFAO 100 years now let's call it even LOL oh shit it hurts I don't know how you did this but you turned a horrible and sad story into something extremely funny to me that's genius great job
0 likesHe may have been dead for 100 years, but after watching this video I couldn't sleep last night thinking about the poor guy.
0 likesThe prospect of this happening is so terrifying.
0 likesI’m pretty sad because I really thought they were going to get him out of there.
0 likesDude got stuck in dirt before even going in the cave 😂
0 likessad that the selfish people just waiting there using campfires got floyd trapped
2 likesI wonder of Floyd died before or after the lightbulb.
0 likesDid he spend his last minutes in darkness or did he at least have a small light at his side to guide him over to the other side?
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He died at the same time the lightbulb did, it was symbolic. That's just how you do storytelling.
1 likeI'll never understand why people go into caves like this.
0 likeswhen he was in the hole someone tried to buy it. he said "over my dead body" so they did just that
0 likesI literally had to stop the video when I saw Wendigoon's face at 3:53 lmao! I was not expecting that!
0 likesThe wendigoon face drop is hilarious
0 likesMan, tbh he probably should have cleared a way through the little gap attached to thr turnaround room first
1 likei was getting mammoth cave vibes since the beginning flash of what floyd was digging for.
0 likesHow the courts were completely ok with the guy making Floyd into a tourist attraction is the most American thing ever.
0 likesThe recent downfall of G4TV NEEDS an Internet Historian video asap.
1 likeFloyd is a brave man. I would have just told my brother to shoot me in the face the minute he showed up lol.
0 likesI knew this sounded familiar. The movie Ace in the Hole (1951) with Kirk Douglas adapts almost everything out of this case. Really good watch.
0 likesDude, I was stoned watching this and my god. I was on the edge of seat. 10/10 would watch high again...
0 likes36:00 also with all of those people you're telling me that they couldn't just make a new hole or make the holes bigger just in general with all of those people if one person carried a bucket out then another goes in carries another bucket out they can make all holes wider that would make it much easier to get him out what the hell is wrong with humans they don't care they just want to be like oh I was there when this happened what a tragic story could I helped yeah but you know I don't want to get my clothes dirty or scratched up
0 likesNot gonna lie, I was really looking forward to a miracle to happen...
0 likesOh well
36:00 I thought it was bad enough that people were camping out just a few people or like 20 people now they got 10,000 people there won't that kind of mess things up
0 likesI have never hated a group of people more than everyone who contributed to this tragedy.
0 likesFrom the stupid bystanders to the despicable businessmen, to even the radio people who didn't even fact check the people pretending to be Floyd
When that light died, so did his hope.
0 likesA prime example of man's uncanny abilities to both unite and help one another in times of need and also to throw blame around and waste time when it's crucial. That and how greed can make people do absolutely horrendous and disgusting things.
1 likeI dont understand how he would have gotten the tourists to come through the tiny little squeezeholes into the main place? You know, he coulda just instead of chipping away at the very end part just chipped away at the places that were the most tight?
0 likes15:38 why didn’t he just mine the gravel blocks? My childhood is a lie
0 likesYou should do one of these mini docs on the gimli glider
0 likesWow, gravel really is just like in Minecraft.
0 likesthe agony the i feel watching this is out of this world
0 likesPoor Floyd, he should've just gotten World of Tanks 😔
1 likeCrazy how he could have just made the gap 2 inches wider and more people would have went in
0 likesThe reason why Miller refused to profit is because he felt guilty. As he realized that all the attention he brought to Floyd ended up being the reason why he died.
0 likes3:38 Very fitting soundtrack snippet choice here :D
0 likesThe story of his corpse was much horrible than him trapped there💀
1 likeas a kentuckian, this hits home... We'll done ol' boi
0 likes23:44 - 24:28 That's Outer Wilds OST (Timber Hearth to be precise) or am I crazy ?
0 likesFloyd an example that the children, they yearn for the mines
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Dawg, he was 37.
0 likesi guess now we know why its called the turn around room
0 likesThere's a movie called Ace in the Hole from 1951. If you study journalism in India, it was part of the curriculum.
0 likesBased on this story, partly fictionalized, stars Kirk Douglas as a shady reporter.
This story is very silmilar to Billy Wilder's film 'Ace in the Hole', except in the film, the reporter exploits the man stuck in the cave instead of actually wanting to get him out. I wouldn't be surprised if the film was based on this story.
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The Creeper at 49:31 was such a nice touch
0 likesOkay this definitely does not sound like a creepypasta but I think someone went off of this story because they did go by the caves names that's what made me think this was a creepypasta and they added like there was a creature down there that unworldly cryptic creature in the cave would give you headaches and things like that but they did base it off of this cave I believe but very interesting story so far I'm at the point where I just found out he got himself stuck in a situation almost like this before so let's just say Floyd does not make the brightest decisions in life
0 likesMichael Reeves officially uploads slower than internet historian.
0 likesAgain I don't know why they didn't do something like that at the beginning I think I said like about 40 minutes ago why didn't they make another tunnel or somehow widen it and make sure nobody that doesn't need to be there isn't there all those people just sitting around doing nothing could have been doing something I'm truly surprised that the light bulb still worked I mean they must have had extraordinary lights back then because the lights we have now suck ass well I don't know LED is pretty good but before that they sucked
0 likesThis is some great content like really
0 likesDamn I kind of wish it was his brother and the people that were there first or what would be better is that they'd get enough Dynamite to crush that whole entire cave just destroy the whole thing screw it
0 likesThe Creeper at 49:31 was such a nice touch 😅
0 likesI thought of this video when I learned about the infamous Bolton Strid.
0 likesThe Peaky Blinders crowd is perfect 😂
0 likes1:08:30 HELL YEAH!! And great job
0 likesRIP Wendigoon 😢
0 likesI happend to be playing World of tanks while watching this on my second monitor lmao
0 likesBeautiful work.
0 likesGood god at first I thought this is fiction.
0 likesI am so confused why is Wendigoon in this? 😂
0 likes25:54 scared the shit out of me
0 likes24:09 OH THE RADIO ! The start of the Humanities laziness of just sitting around
0 likesWait a second this is a creepy pasta and a very creative one because the person that made it did some research and then went into the cave I don't think it's the same exact cave though took the pictures so they would have some type of proof but it ended up being fake but that's the whole great thing about a creepypasta you're not sure is this real is this fake one of my favorites is Ben drowned and this one is up there as well because there's proof
0 likesI see your mammoth cave story and raise you the legendary cocaine bear story (kentucky’s wild)
0 likesamazing work!
0 likesThey should’ve just sent a tank down there…
0 likesAll he had to do was not get stuck then he would not Have to spend 64 years I. The cave😂
0 likes25:55 laugh my fuckin ass out bruh. Youre fucking hell. 🤣 💀
0 likes1:02:39 Floyd is looking a little sus. My condolences to the Collins.
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I hope a video on your phone plays a 'bruh' sound effect at deafening volumes exactly the moment you fall down the fucking stairs.
1 likeHolyyyyy that video popped off. Also good work. That's quality content
0 likes"I'm contractually obligated..." 🤣
0 likesI have an acute fear of being buried alive. What a terrible way to go.
1 likeIf only Minecraft Steve was there, he'll be out in no time
0 likesI think that you should watch cannibal the Musical and do one of these on Alfred Packard packer anyways check out cannibal the Musical if you haven't already watched it it would be awesome if you did a video on that situation the same way you did this now I have to check out other videos that you made this is great
0 likesWhy are they not making "the queezer" bigger?
1 likeman used the little nightmare soundtrack 💀
1 likeeven now hes being used for money… god damn world of tanks…
0 likesi don't think i'll be able to watch this video, internet man. Too much anxiety. I'm sorry
0 likesxQc brought me here. Love internet historian videos but now i'm subscribed and won't need to learn about new releases through different channels!
0 likesI live not far from here and go there all the time fun to take all the different tours.
0 likesI remember hearing about him from a song by black stone cherry.
0 likesI love the Skyrim soundtrack
0 likesWatching this was like watching one of those videos that are going to tell you 5 fitness/diet tips that are gonna change your life forever... and they swear they'll get to it in a minute... but first there's like 20-50 minutes of other pontificating and shameless self-promotion.
0 likesThis entire story defines the US society as a whole...
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Is this a good or a bad thing?
0 likesI watched this in art class
0 likesFancy seeing you here buddy LOL that just reminded me of South Park so bad the just the Buddy part it sounded exactly like Terrence and Phillip lmao
0 likes29:08 is that joe biden falling off the stairs??
1 like30:50 go Gerald I mean why didn't anyone else start doing this before there's tons of people out there there's not one skinny enough to get through that hole and they all fat this isn't nowadays America this is back in the days where people were fit
0 likesDanny Brown recommended this video, and channel. He had noice things to say.
0 likesAs a Kentuckian who has been caving and loves Mammoth cave hiking and spelunking, the Collins story is a roller coaster of emotions that are truly difficult to understand if the reader has never been caving themselves. IH has done an incredible job of illustrating the claustrophobic and terrifying conditions that Collins and all cavers face when caving. The tight squeezes where even a slight change in clothes or the rock surrounding can trap you forever, the nearly invisible ceiling that can drop rocks and kill without warning, and the mental fortitude being eroded away within absolute darkness.
1032 likesWhen I was in scouts and went caving for the first time, our caving guide who was 30 years experienced drilled into us the dangers of caving as us kids could climb through small gaps but the adults could not follow. We were excited as it was gonna basically be one giant McDonalds playground, so we couldn't wait to breeze through the safety meeting and start crawling. He slowly went through the safety conversation, always have a buddy, never crawl downwards, always cave slowly and methodically, but as 10-14 year old kids it went in one ear, out the other.
Recognizing this, he asked us all to tell us what we each feared the most. I said I feared heights and falling, he then explained that mountain/rock climbing are very similar to caving: arrogance and sloppiness can instantly and irreversibly seal your death, the former being a terrifying and quick splat while the later is a slow and agonizing smothering. That if we went somewhere that was too small for the adults to go, it was almost like dangling from a cliff with no harness. He tore everyone's minds open and made sure we understood the seriousness of the situation, that there wouldn't be police officers or fire fighters to catch us, and we would be trapped forever.
Everyone became uncomfortable and adults tried cheering everyone up to lighten the mood, while 1 adult went aside with the guide to ask why he was scaring everyone on purpose. He said "I would rather them be terrified than watch them carelessly crawl into their own tomb."
I had forgotten those words for all these years as nothing bad had ever happened on that trip or any subsequent trips after, but this video excavated the memory, and I now understand. I remember us kids crawling through entrances about a foot wide to go into a much larger chamber, how the guide showed us that this area was safe because it was sturdy and he was thin enough to crawl through and only had to crawl about 12 feet to get back into the open, but the other adults were too big.
I remember slowly crawling through, feeling the rocks push further and further on my head and back. There were small puddles where sometimes my face would get covered in water and mud. I must have been about 6 feet in so far when a rock clicked my headlamp off and I was plunged into total darkness at only 11 years old. It felt like the ceiling was beginning to sag down on my entire body, my arms and legs were trapped unable to move. I struggled and somehow wedged my helmet in such a way my face was stuck being pushed into a small puddle no more than the size of a cereal bowl. I was suffocating, I was immobilized and I was alone. This was what the fear of death was.
After that brief yet terrifying realization, I frantically ripped my helmet off and was able to back out of the tunnel and back with the adults. I soon realized that I was completely safe in that moment, the adults were right next to the tunnel and could have reached in to pull me out in an instant the moment I would scream. I was able to reason to myself that the secret chamber on the other side wasn't that big of a deal, and I was just hurt from the rocks scrapping me, so I continued to enjoy the caving and eventually went back to conquer the tunnel successfully to see the very cool secret chamber.
This video dusted off those memories as I now realize that my initial reaction was correct, that I had experienced true fear for the first time. Being faced with my own mortality that early on in life didn't really impact me too much, since it realistically wasn't a real danger and I even forgot about it until now. But watching this video scrapped off all the dust and now I understand how much it did: I saw a flicker of death that day. Subsequently, I slowly stopped my dangerous activities and became much more cautious in everything I do.
The guide taught me fear, and the cave seared it into my soul.
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"He said "I would rather them be terrified than watch them carelessly crawl into their own tomb.""
69 likesBonechilling...
So true. A necessary lesson for all children to learn. I did so, too, through any number of "dumb and dangerous" stunts. Also, "I was able to reason to myself" the word is rationalize: to invent plausible and rational-sounding reasons or excuses, all to evade some unpleasant truth.
26 likesGreat comment.
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2 likes"I saw a flicker of death that day. Subsequently, I slowly stopped my dangerous activities and became much more cautious in everything I do."
9 likesDamn, I really relate to that.
I survived a parachuting accident in the army, after that I have really toned down my risk tolerance... it was an experience of real fear that you can't replicate without scraping by death. Much different than any lesser fear
I enjoy caving myself, but this is every caver's worst nightmare. I'm not claustrophobic, but this would absolutelty suck for anyone.
6 likesJumpscare warning careful when pressing Read more
5 likesYou're a fantastic writer.
5 likesWent to Vietnam to see the worlds biggest caves, so large u almost didn’t even feel like you were in a cave ngl
2 likesEach paragraph drilled in the fear of something I didn't know I had. Thank you for sharing this.
0 likesIt's not the fear of dying, it's the fear of dying slowly in the cold and total darkness whilst going mad from boredom.
1 likeAlso went on a caving trip during scouts. I'm a tall and lanky person, and my dad was on the trip, who is just a little shorter but a bit thicker. Heights/falling have always a dear for me, and I've had a love-hate relationship with small spaces, and our trip had both. One area you had to straddle across a vertical drop into total darkness that I'm pretty sure would break some bones at a minimum of you fell. And then yeah, there was a "squeeze" tunnel that me and my dad were both terrified he wouldn't be able to get through. It took determination, time, and courage but he got through it.
0 likesBut yeah, when IH was describing the journey into the cave it brought back a rush of memories to navigating through some similar passages. It was a fun experience especially in hindsight, but I don't know if I'll ever do it again.
S-tier comment—beautifully written and genuinely relates to the video and the commenter.
2 likesThese S-tier comments are so, so rare.
These days I usually ask myself why bother reading Youtube comment sections, but then I find one-in-a-million comments like the one above and I remember why.
I spent 5-6 years in Kentucky and never went to mammoth or any other cave, I lived in Louisville. Thank you for this story, this is such a raw comment, love the articulation of your feelings. Thank you! ❤
0 likesNeeds to be a blog post. This is great
0 likesIf floyd had widened the cave enough for more than maybe a handful of people to successfully complete, as he went, he probably wouldn't have died, I think.
1 likeHe was making a route for tourism, not thrill seekers, I think, so I think it's on him.
0 likesHooking into whatever fears and other strong assosiations children have is probably a great way of properly teaching them.
0 likesTldr
1 likeDamn it, the anxiety
0 likesIF YOU HAVE A SHITTY DAY.
1 likePLEASE REMEMBER.
IT COULD BE WORSE.
The sad thing is, given how fragile Sand Cave is with crowds of people in it, there was probably no chance of opening up the Squeeze and turning it into a tourist attraction.
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Even if Flyod had managed to clear the way to the beautiful room probs no one would be willing to go through the squeeze for it.
118 likesI'm going to go ahead and say the anxiety laden death trapped alone in the darkness was the sad thing.
46 likes@getthecandies Yeah but it's tragic that the reason he went there in the first place would never have worked out
39 likesWhy is this a sad thing? It's a fragile cave formation already known for instability. Yeah, this definitely sounds like a place to send inexperienced idiots into.
4 likes@ShroudedWolf51 It's sad because he essentially died for nothing
26 likesIt's like a monkey paw situation, he wished for the cave to become popular, and it did, only not in the way he imagined
25 likesI feel that the story is very sad one, but Collins did succeed with turning place into a tourist attraction, by his corpse.
2 likesIt’s ironic then that the shaft they were forced to dig in the end was essentially, Floyd’s endgame for the cave. Quick, easy and safe access to the crystal hollow that multiple people could use at the same time. If it wasn’t a literal death trap I would love to see it.
11 likes@MeChupaUnHuevon I think the idea was to eventually clear out the squeeze and make it more of a cramped hallway rather than the literal hell hole it was at the time.
8 likesIt would require stout reinforcement. The fact that he hadn't openend up the Squeeze is the thing that boggles me, for if there was anywhere that needed it, that point of no return would have been the place to start, instead of much deeper within. That and not bringing in spare supplies, like candles to provide light where a fragile storm lantern might shatter....
9 likes@Jack R Perhaps Floyd thought he could easily expand the squeeze at some point in the future and that the real challenge would be opening the hole to the crystal room. Unfortunately, he couldn't think ahead to a possible scenario where he'd be trapped past the squeeze and would need help. He reminds me of the main character in the Jack London story, "To Build a Fire" who set out on his own during a dangerously cold day thinking he could handle any scenario he came across. Unfortunately, he didn't realize his margin for error was as thin as it was, and all it takes is a couple of disasters to finish a man off during such conditions. It's a mistake anybody could make...
1 like@theproplady well I also think it might have been an efficiency problem he saw. If he could work from within, he could just pile the tailings in the cavern, instead of having to haul it all the way out. Hence why he was in that far cavern when he realized his light was bad.
0 likesThis has been the scariest, most stressful and interesting I have seen on YouTube for years now.
396 likesJust incredible work.
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This video got me so scared that it healed me from my constipation.
4 likes37:56 fuck yeah it did ༼ᕗຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ
0 likesWhat's the name of that movie where the dude gets stuck in his arm in like the desert or something like that 72 hours or something like that screw that make this a movie they don't even need to make it like in the old times they could just make it more modern but I think the telling of this story in the time would be a very good movie but some people don't like historical movies but I think this would make a great one especially with all the dumbasses so far
0 likesThe hardest gut punch for me comes after all is said and done, when Homer earns the money to retrieve the his brother. He assembles the crew and within just a week they reach him and get him out. It just seemed so simple. If only that coordination was applied at the start, things could've gone differently. Of course hindsight is useless, but it still hurts.
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I would imagine it wasn't nearly as difficult to get back in afterwards though. Remember, the mining crew had done all the work of digging the vertical tunnel down through boulders and rock when they were first trying to rescue Floyd. Once they found him dead, they just refilled it with soil. When Homer and his crew went to get Floyd's body, they'd only have to dig through dirt in an already established tunnel.
119 likesThough absolutely, in hindsight if they'd done things differently at the start it could've gone way better for Floyd. But we're looking back at this with 100 years worth of perspective of course.
Of course they'd still need to have someone to crawl in with food and water, and I'm worried that with so much commotion from above if the cave wouldn't have collapsed anyway, eliminating the chance to feed Floyd or provide him any warmth. I'd love to have known what would have happened had the firefighter been able to do a second rope pull, or if Miller had just chosen to ask for a third jack that would be somewhere in the middle and properly fit the cave.
10 likesYep, that's a borderline butterfly effect to an extent, he wouldn't have earned money if the story didn't blow up that much, the story wouldn't reach millions of people if the news wasn't spread for a lengthy period of time.
11 likes@Podstęp Mistrzem i mean i assume that instead of trying for hours and hours with makeshift wooden tower they probably didn't find any other jack
3 likesThe tunnel vented past his body, so it sucked exhaust fumes in past where Floyd was. Not a problem for a recovery, big problem for a rescue.
8 likesThey dug him out in April, ALOT easier when weather is warmer
3 likesThe video says they dug him up from the other side, so they had to make a new hole few meters away. I dont think they were "reusing" the previous dig hole.
9 likes@Crispy they could've used the previous dig hole for the first 50 feet and then worked on moving some 10 feet away in order to dig him up from the other side
1 like@Crispy As CoffeeSquirel said, the warmer conditions would have made all the difference. They managed to descend through the same kind of rock in about 2/3rds the time with about 1/10th of the personnel because the walls and ground wouldn't have been turning to soup around them.
0 likesbro… I’m too fried for all this.
0 likesOkay so Floyd Collins is a real person but like I said I'm not sure if this is the same story because I look like you used one of the pictures in the Creepypasta and the people that did create the original story did do some background
0 likesWelp, my fear of cave exploring is now 100% justified
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It’s NOW justified?!
16 likesLooks like someone hasn't gone down the MrBallen hole yet...
1 likeOh yeah, it is NOT a hobby for people who aren't 100% down for horrific risk of injury and death. I love it. I would recommend anything but the most surface level, guided explorations to absolutely no-one.
11 likesI was never going to go into a cave before this video, now I'm 3000% never going a cave.
6 likesAlways has been
1 likeMe too. Wait, it's always been justified ever since I saw the Nutty Putty cave story by Fascinating Horror channel.
1 likeIt's extremely dangerous, no question about it.
1 like@kiri i would suggest cave diving
0 likesAnd a great musical!
0 likesTHAT'S OUTER WILDS MUSIC 24:00 no way
0 likesWhat an uplifting, depressing, insane and simply scary story.
248 likesHow the judicial system failed the whole family in the end was pathetic.
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Lady Justice is blind...except when some money comes her way
7 likesTo be fair, the father was a drunk and a moron and signed it all away.
0 likesIt wasn’t the system this time, but a drunkard of a father.
please every time i watch wendigoon from now on its gonna be ayo floyd howd u get here
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798 likesMy heart sunk when you said he died. Poor dude had to endure all that suffering just to not make it…
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It really shines a light on our mortality. And suffering, is what you make of your situation. I bet you, if the light bulb didn't die, he wouldn't have either. That bulb, was his only sign of hope. Once that's gone, so is life.
42 likesI think what's worse is that he continued to suffere well beyond his lifetime. The man did not deserve nor his brother who fought so hard for his sake.
15 likesDamn. I shouldn't have read the comments while watching.
23 likesI'm nowhere near half of the video.
@XT1AN yeah that's why i held off until the end, even though i felt it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to make it
7 likesFuck me, i shouldn't have read this, lol that's on me. 😂
2 likes@XT1AN I mean if you look at the bottom refs a qoute is taken from a book called the death of Philip Morris near halfway in the video kinda gives it away
1 likeGOD FUCKIN DAMNIT
2 likesSPOILER
2 likesSPOILER
2 likesSPOILER?
2 likes@The Kid From Brooklyn Reuploads This is a real man's life, him dieing not a spoiler and you shouldn't be so petty to be mad about it
0 likes@Spensir Mc Life I think he's upset he read his fate before seeing it, I hoped he came out alright until seeing OP.
1 like@Charlie Frown sorry
0 likes@The Kid From Brooklyn Reuploads please forgive me
0 likes@Hey vsauce Michael here Dont worry about it lol
0 likesI got stuck very briefly in a cave once and I can confirm that it is an existential dread that’s beyond awful. I was stuck in a pinch whilst spelunking in Victoria Australia and I’d locked my knee to my chest trying to get through a hole. It took our caving team about an hour to shimmy me free by pulling on my ankle and yanking my arms above my head.
303 likesIt was by no means the worst “rescue” we’d ever had to do, but during that dive there was a brief moment where I thought “oh fuck what if I’m really stuck…”
Was actually devastated hearing “he’s dead”
I swear this channel gets better and better every video.
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That’s absolutely insane, I can’t imagine
1 likeAbsolutely positively fuck entering a cave.
1 likeoh god even being stuck for an hour sounds horrifying, i dont even know what id do....
1 likeanybody think about how he was pooping and peeing in the cave lol I was
0 likesThese people have some sick death wish, who plays with fate like that??! Humans are not designed for that sh** man wtf...
0 likesI can’t even imagine how many hours this video took to produce holy shit
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Internet Historian to an army of talented editors:
6 likes"Take this blank cheque and edit it."
The full hour of the rescue story is a tale of the pure kindness and determination by people to save and honor someone
483 likesThe last 9 minutes are a sharp "nevermind"
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Though in the end, I suppose Floyd got exactly what he was aiming for: the cave became a succesful tourist attraction.
80 likesThis whole thing really reads like a darker storyline out of the movie Bedazzled.
His dad kinda fucked the mood lmao
25 likesLike another guy kinjo in this comment section said, this story is incredibly bittersweet
27 likesShowed both the absolute best and worst of people & humanity
@Charlie Ritchie garbage dad
0 likes@Koen Van Damme Its one hell of an Irony.
1 likeA very sickly and dark irony.
Why didn’t they just take shifts removing rock from the start. Kinda brain dead
0 likesThis video really shook me. Floyd lived through hell and was not able to leave. I can't help but cry hearing about what he suffered through and disgustingly the disrespect he went through afterwards.
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it's honestly one of the more terrifying ways to die frankly, alone, in pain, starving, dying of thirst and the cold, while well meaning idiots keep hurting you instead of helping, then they fuck up and leave you to die alone in the dark. Even slow deaths from cancer dont come close to the existential horror of this poor guys fate. The disrespect to his corpse is nearly as bad too....
34 likesFloyd shouldnt've gone through that. He should've been laid to rest. It broke my heart seeing greed win yet again.
4 likesIf only he had thought to enlarge the way from the start instead of the end.
0 likesRecently I was talking to someone who does cave exploration regularly and I thought "huh maybe I could face my fears and do that", thanks for setting me straight.
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I make entertaining videos as well🙏
0 likes@Yung Zyon Tracka
0 likesWas the picture of the real guy taken in Sand Cave?
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It is a picture of Floyd. But its not taken of him trapped down there.
0 likesI just made myself a snack, sat down with a refreshment, and then magically, a new IH video. Perfect.
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This video is so claustrophobic I doubt you'll be able to stomach much lol
17 likes@Sykroid And sad....
3 likesMake any Sausage Sandwiches? Maybe a nice hot coffee?
7 likesMe as well, what a pleasant surprise.
0 likesCave chan wants to play
0 likesSame here lad. Just opened my YouTube and bam a fucking IH vid. What a way to start the day
1 likeI need your voice desperately bad to create a conspiracy theory so basically we create one use your voice because you sound very intelligent we let it go for about a year then we tell them that we made it up so then the world will look at conspiracy theories a little bit different you can't believe everything you hear your voice is The Voice that would work
0 likesAs a spelunker of caves myself, a situation like this is my greatest fear. But despite the sour ending to his life, it's truly amazing to see the backbreaking effort by hundreds of people to save just a single man caught in a cave. It really is a lesson in humanity.
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Also, the part where they use his body as a tourist attraction, is a lesson in humanity...
40 likesWhat was funny was that first portion where Homer had started moving gravel by hand and then everyone tried to offer more efficient ideas instead of just crawling down there one at a time and doing the work. Had there been maybe 2 more guys initially with the guts to just rotate moving gravel for a few days, they may have had him out that way, before the structural integrity of the cave was weakened by all the eventual traffic
17 likesIt's also a lesson on how people can take a situation and make it fubar .
1 like@Caleb or if they had just dug down to him the first time
0 likesI would always have something to kill myself with if I was a spelunker. A knife, rope, drugs. I couldn't bear to starve to death, or worse - suffocate.
0 likesRescuing cavers and extreme free climbers feels like accommodating peanut allergies:
1 like...It feels like the right thing to do, but it's also not solving any long term peanut problems.
@Aron Örn the part where the cave shifted was a lesson in humidity.
2 likesEl Berro
0 likesThis channel is gold
0 likesThis had me in more suspense than many horror movies I have watched recently. I felt real, genuine discomfort and shock and empathy and anguish for that poor man. All the while I’m laughing my ass off. Amazing video I love both of your channels you’ve really outdone yourself
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0 likesYeah, don't search for the nutty putty caves on youtube
0 likesVery cool... but I'm now going to go watch some happy puppies or something...
0 likesAt first I thought this was going to be a thrilling story about a cave rescue, and then you said his name. Then I knew exactly who it was. I knew exactly how it ended. I didn’t hold out hope because I knew there was none. Congrats on making me sad, I’m going to go watch some Vsauce to get some of that grade A Philosophical Hopium™️ to make me feel better.
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Man vsauce just makes me feel existential dread 😭
2 likesgo watch exurb1a for even more existential sadness
2 likesand then Kurzgesagt to multiply all these feelings furthermore
0 likesI think what annoyed me the most was the fact so many people showed up to the cave with excitement. They made the situation worse by their own ignorance and continued to make things worse as the days went on. Not to mention the father was more concerned with taking generous donations, I imagined he took a heartbroken old man persona while he did it. Poor Floyd, I bet he would’ve been rescued if it wasn’t for all the mayhem people were causing. Not to mention that when they got bored, they just got up and left him. Showed up, caused a cave to collapse on him, had a carnival, then left. Nice!
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What should annoy you is that this video is 100% stolen content from about 10 other channels that made this exact video months ago….
0 likes@Lukycharms Would you care to post the links to said videos? Thank you.
7 likes@Lukycharms so multiple people aren't allowed to cover the same topic
16 likes@Lukycharms
2 likesYeah, but like, those are also documentaries
@Lukycharms "Stolen Content" lmao show one scene that's the same
3 likes@Lukycharms its a fucking historical event what do you expect
4 likesIt's a common thread in human history. We gawk and make problems worse.
0 likesPre internet people had nothing to do, i.e they would go outside and do shit.
0 likesI've heard this story before, but this has GOT to be the best and most nail-bitingly fascinating, in-depth way I've ever heard it told! My husband and I watched this spellbound when it first came out, and I forgot how it ended, so I was on the edge of my seat the whole time! Great job, everyone who worked on this! He and I still talk about it, with a sense of awe and disbelief, at how this poor man died of incompetence (including his own, God rest his soul), but how amazing were the people who made a difference trying to save him.
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you have a husband? gayyyy lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesOh I'm sure the carnival was in his honor not just to make money no not at all definitely for him nothing for the almighty dollar
0 likesThe way this guy's body was treated in death is horrendous. Good on his brother for never giving up on giving him a proper burial.
95 likesbeing from Kentucky hearing this story passed down from my great grandparents i can absolutely say you told this story so much better. I never expected this story to ever come close to a channel like this.... so cool.
244 likesTwo True Men.
0 likesThe photos of the coffin,more specific the distant one,creeps me alot,the feeling of walking into a cave and seeing a iron coffin in the middle of nowhere,with chains around it just gives me a horrible sense of dread,like it's holding something that you shouldn't open (even though it's just a poor man's dead body)
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Also chaining + locking a coffin shut is extra creepy because you can't be sure if it's to keep you out... or it in
28 likesAs above so below vibes
4 likes@Tighe Lutz this is precisely what makes it so eerie LOL
6 likesYou not putting a space after your commas creeps me out.
1 like@SLAYER huh iamsorrymateiwillputspacenexttimethankyouforremindme
3 likes@Shaddap no problem dude , happy to help
0 likes"yo five bucks to go in that"
0 likesI'm curious why IH is using a photo of a dude that looks absolutely nothing like the actual Floyd Collins. XD
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Because that's the picture of the guy who voiced floyd in the video
1 likeMissed opportunity to call it "Man in Hole" but still excited nonetheless.
4464 likesEdit: After having seen the video, I am glad I got to comment on something this fucking good.
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Holy shit it's you
52 likesOh, hi Andrew!
24 likesThe Huggbees lore thickens
19 likesHey andrew
9 likesyou smell bad
0 likesIm the guy whos up here before theres too many comments
7 likesI rather have it Massive Hole but the Mive is barely visible.
4 likesOk
1 likeof course the hugger of bees watches the historian of internet.
6 likesGold job I'm a man hole inspector
1 likeShorten it further to Man Hole.
4 likesIt has Many Meanings.
Hay I know you. You do the YouTube stuff too👍
2 likesDon't read my name.
0 likesGlad to hear you survived
4 likesCongratulations on showing that dweeb Ian who’s boss.
2 likesHI HUGGER OF THE BEES!
2 likesGlad you made it out of the storm.
4 likesOh shit you survived!
3 likesHey, It's the legendary Rinsing or Filling machine man!
2 likesThe legend appears.
1 likeStay safe, and give the hurricane a good one-two
Hope you did good against the hurricane beat it's ass
0 likesHow goes the boxing of a hurricane mr bees?
2 likesHell yeah. IH and Andrew collab when?
2 likesDon't die Andrew.
1 likeHole in Man
2 likesOh look it's that guy, hello
1 likestill think "man hole explorer" would have been more accurate
1 likeYoooo
1 likeHow's Ian doing?
1 likeNice
1 likein the field when
1 likeYes
1 likeis a cave a rinsing or a filling machine ?
3 likesHmm idk kinda like the singular "Hole" more
1 likeHi
1 likemore like hole in man
1 likeI'm sure your dad missed tons of opportunities when he decided not to use a condom
0 likesThe legend is still standing
1 likeYou guys need to f.
0 likeshugbEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
1 likeNice to see you here lol
1 likeMan Hole*
1 likenew meme holeguy
1 likeYo, Huggaees.
1 likeI live in North Georgia. I want to thank you for standing between me and Ian, turning it into a hurrican't.
2 likesMy hero 💖
Haven't you single-handedly dick punched Ian and rescued Florida Man from inevitable destruction yet?
0 likesHuggbees and Internet Historian need to do an In The Field collaboration. Please make this happen!
2 likesGoddamnit. This is not stimpee
1 likeCharlie’s rag!
1 likeManHoleThing
2 likesWhen will you play a part in one of these?
1 likeman hole
0 likeswow Huggbees
1 likeAnother successfully defeated hurricane I see.
1 like@Castle White "omg one of my favorite youtubers is a fan of one of the most popular channels on the website what a coincidence"
1 likeoh shit, he beat another hurricane
0 likesWorlds deadliest mancave
0 likesBro, you survived the hurricane!
0 likesTime to to dub this vid with a documentary of a lazy sleepy man refusing to leave the cave and his brother crying about it.
0 likesHuggees on Incognito Mode when?
1 likeThis story is bittersweet, it shows both the best and worst of humanity throughout the entire story.
237 likesLiterally my biggest fear is being stuck and I can’t imagine what Floyd was seeing surrounded by darkness for all that time
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Oughta feel relieving in a way i say
0 likesi have tinnitus so it would be quite terrifying but at the same time i wouldn't know what to think
0 likes@nullset2 how.
2 likes@Pold111 having tinnitus in that situation would be even bigger mental torture then it is. I would rather die then spend even one hour in there.
2 likesI enjoyed watching the video yesterday afternoon, but when I tried sleeping last night in my dark room, it was bone chilling to imagine Floyd under the cave; stuck in absolute darkness. I had an uneasy sleep last night. I was laying still, with eyes open in the dark, imagining if it was me down there (although I was warm under my blanket). I would have asked for a cyanide pill as a last resort.
1 likeHe probably wasn't seeing very much to be honest
0 likesThat nightmare/hallucination scene at 25:50 was truly haunting but in a kind of beautiful way
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I’d love to know what the music for the scene was, it’s such an effective tone-setter
1 like@Hamzah me too, actually got goosebumps
1 like@Hamzah It's a mix of "Teeth and Leaves" and "Boots through the undergrowth" from the Little Nightmares 2 OST
10 likeswatching that at 3am.... no thanks
0 likesbetter movie than Hollywood can do
1 likeDid this channel stop doing right wing 4chan Incel bait videos or is this just a coincidence?
0 likesI came into this with no idea about the story. I held so much hope that he'd make it out alive. Then abruptly he died. Okay I can handle that even though it's sad. Then abruptly his corpse is put back in the cave for financial gain. Okay that's grim, but the "good ole days" tended to be pretty shit. Then abruptly his corpse is launched of a fucking mountain! Like goddamn has a dead man ever been so disrespected and exploited?! Rest in fuckin peace man, you deserve it!
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He is in heaven. I should know.
2 likesThen he is immortalized in an Internet Historian video.
12 likesIt was unfortunately spoiled that he was going to die cause at one point it cites "The Death and Transfiguration of Floyd Collins"
6 likes@ORO When was that in the video?
0 likesI keep having laughing fits when I play the part where they launch him off the mountain. Its so grim that its comical
4 likesI... I just can't think of a worse fate than this. Total darkness, arms and legs uselessly trapped at your sides, a ton of rock atop you, starving, thirsty, hearing the rocks shift around you... and that is only the first 24 hours. Any food or water given to you is going to cause you to have to urinate and defecate in your clothes. Your loved ones close enough to touch you and yet completely incapable of assisting you. People come and go and after each minor cave in, you sit and wonder if you will ever see another person. The light that has kept you alive begins to slowly fade as you are left in the pitch blackness, alone with only the agonizing cold and rock to keep you company.
129 likesThis man suffered in ways that no human being should.
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i didn't even realize he was pissing and shitting himself the whole time jfc
18 likesYeah, would be good if there was just a fucking die instantly button so you wouldn't have to sit there for so long.
0 likesthanks for detailing the nightmare I'm gonna have tonight
1 likeMaybe don't go into caves
0 likes@Mack Donald ... bro, He spent days there, and was given food and drinks. Try not to go to toilet for 3 days
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651 likesHoly fuck. I'll never, ever set foot in a cave after that one. I cannot imagine the horrors he lived through in those 5 days of absolute darkness, with no inkling that anyone was coming for him. He died a lonely, slow, terrifying death that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
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Check out John Johnes, he crawled into a cave similiar like this but became stuck UPSIDE DOWN.
21 likes@CODA ah man, imagine giving your life to a cave named "nutty putty".. Btw john jones*
21 likesGo read about Nutty Putty cave and the man trapped in there, upside down.
2 likesI make entertaining videos as well🙏
0 likes@CODA At least John Jones passed away surrounded by people who’d been trying desperately to save him til the very end. Floyd passed away after days in complete darkness and silence, with no sign that people were even trying to help anymore :(
11 likes@kat I dunno whats worse, if you keep hearing your rescuers fumble around above you, and you just sink deeper and deeper being upside down the whole time makes it sound alot more hellish than 'simply' dying in complete darkness.
4 likes@Yung Zyon Tracka
0 likes@CODA I’d like to hope that Jones just slipped away into unconsciousness for the last time thinking that they’d keep working on him and he’d be out by the time he woke up
5 likesYou can go into a cafe, just not into a tight one
0 likesI wish much worse deaths on many. Communism must be defeated.
0 likesCaving is safe as long as you know your boundaries, abilities, and stick to a plan. I've got hundreds of expeditions under my belt through unmapped systems and have never had any issues, nor have any of my groups. These videos make it seem worse than it is.
1 likeSpoilers
1 like@CODA Interesting story. At least he wasnt there for that long.
0 likes@Dingus I was mostly being hyperbolic there, but I'm certainly never going into a small gap like that. I know most caving is safe but fuck man, this story messed me up a little.
0 likes@Avery Pennington Good call. I'll edit accordingly.
1 likeI’d wish it on that Thomas guy who paraded Floyd’s corpse out in front of the public to make a quick buck, despite the protests of the family. I hope the devil is putting that pathetic shitstain of a human being through what happened to Floyd.
0 likesWhat a banger of a video
0 likesAll I wanna say is that I VERY much appreciate the people who tried to save Floyd, it's amazing how much people tried helping the poor lad even though it was just one single person. I actually had hope that he'd make it alive even though it was pretty obvious that he wouldn't.
468 likesAnyways now that I got that off my chest– it's sad that someone profited off of his death by using it as a tourist attraction. But I'm more mad about the fact that they held his funeral inside Sand Cave, really disrespectful.
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Capitalism baby
26 likesPredditor profile pic alert.
7 likesI hate this world.
4 likes@Mexicola Shut up default pfp
0 likes@Mexicola Hush up lefty.
4 likes@Darkenduk I'm proud of being a lefty, are you proud of being a predditor?
4 likes@Mexicola
2 likesThe audacity to call me a redditor
@Banana knowing how similar acts were played during the middle age i would say it predates capitalism by far
0 likes@Callistia Just wanted you to know that people know what you are, and that you disgust people.
0 likesPeople like you need mental help, and to be kept well away from minors.
Amazing how no cave explorer familiar with spelunking (many of which did it as a profession/means of making money) had the cojones to go through the squeeze, yet a 21 reporter looking for a story not only decided to enter, but upon hearing Floyd’s voice felt compelled to aid him further. Mad respect to Miller in that regard
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And a well deserved Pulitzer
0 likesThis is my hole. It was made for me
1 likepathetic. if a hole was drilled, air, water, food & tools could hav sustained, period
0 likesWell... Floyd's initial goal was to make a tourist attraction that nobody could resist. I guess he succeeded.
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o h g o d
11 likesIRONIC.
4 likesthe wish granted by elizabeth hurley in a red dress
0 likesI don't have claustrophobia. I have never been in a situation where I would be completely stuck between literally a rock and a hard place. But that opening narration, that walkthrough of the man's routine expedition to the cave system, followed by a run down with each of his simple and seemingly small mistakes resulting in him being stuck in total darkness under a mountain left me feeling a sense of suffocation and helplessness that I had never felt nor hope that I will feel in the future. It's one thing to be attacked by some unknown assailant or to have a split second encounter leaving you high on alert, even if you've made it out of danger. It's another thing to find yourself in a situation where you can't do anything but pray and wait that by some miracle either someone, anyone, sees you in danger and immediately gets help. Because otherwise your're left waiting for who knows how long for the world to move in such a way that you can just barely slip back into safety and survive by the skin of your teeth.
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HAHA UR THE EGG IN THE FRYING PAN LOL?
0 likesThey would only seem small to a moron, which is what he obviously was.
0 likesDude got removed from the gene pool which was a good thing.
Play stupid games, win stupid shit.
Better call saul reference
2 likesSame. I was listening to this while falling asleep. I'm not sleepy anymore. It terrified me awake.
0 likesI did not have claustrophobia until I hit middle age. Then, I got sick and neurotic. So be careful--keep tight control over your mind. Now, even the simplest scans make me very nervous--used to tolerate an hour in an MRI. It's all in my head, but still, I get crazy.
2 likesI'm exactly the same, never suffered from claustrophobia, but this video made me fully empathise and feel the fear and hopelessness
1 likeFor everyone that was impacted by the intro but enjoy this type of story I strongly recommend the Ted the Caver story. There is a YouTube narration that sells it perfectly. I am not claustrophobic but that one made me sweat.
1 like“..hope that I will feel in my future” OKAY O___O
1 like@cyninbend I recommend going to a chiropractor, one specializing in TRT (Torque Release Technique).
0 likesI had many problems with pain and mental issues. they started on my lower back and worked their way up over a few weeks so not to shock my body.
Once they got to my cervical vertebrae they told me that I would feel a tingle and to not worry because it was just my cerebral spinal fluid that was blocked up being allowed to flow freely. They then made the adjustments. I felt a small shock and then warmth and tingles all around my head face neck and shoulders. After getting up I felt almost manic and realized days later that I just hadn't felt that good in years.
I had issues of paranoia, claustrophobia, anger issues, and suicidal depression. All of which suddenly seemed to happen out of the blue.
Basically your brain doesn't communicate with itself directly, parts of your brain talk to other parts by sending signals down nerves in your neck and then back up into your skull. If you have misaligned vertebrae this can cause interference which will cause your brain to become confused and also possibly throw your hormones out of whack.
I know have no issues except for very minor episodes of panic and depression, but I am told that is just PTSD, which was way worse since my brain couldn't work through it naturally due to my neck and back problems.
Thank you Internet Historian for deepening my fear of caves 😌👍
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Deepening. Ha
12 likesI see what u did there, even if it wasn’t on purpose
4 likesThe amount of irony of the exploitation of his tragedy and death all caused by his fascination with the abyss of the cave and his own plans to commercialize it is staggering. A story with enough symbols and inherent meaning to pull from it, but must I separate myself from non-fiction and just applaud you for your storytelling.
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How the saying goes, sometimes life is stranger than fiction. I bet many people would think this story is unrealistic if it were a movie script.
1 likeyes
1 likeIn the end, HE became the attraction. Weird to think about. I really wished it ended there though, the fact it took about 60 years to finally be left to rest after he died is incredibly disheartening. I guess people weren't really all that different from today in terms of morality..
0 likes@Duddridge1 They say money is the root of all evil
0 likesInternet Historian is legitimately one of the greatest filmmakers in the peer to peer medium. He continues to improve with every release and at this point, i view him as closer to the greatest directors than to his YouTuber peers.
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Well said. I hope to see a wider audience begin to recognize the legitimacy of his work.
5 likes@Benjamin Lambert I agree, though based on YouTube standards, 2,5 million views in 1 day is impressive. There are few “quality over quantity” YouTubers whose videos are quite as anticipated as Internet Historian. Lemmino is the only one I can think of actually
2 likes@Joel Friberg and Emplemon
1 like@Kal _ Yes him too
0 likesyou don't upload often but whenever you do, you manage to outdo yourself every single time. This video is by every definition a masterpiece
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This man speaks the truth.
3 likesThis one fucking somber and depressing story.
0 likesTo be honest, if you'd had heard about the story before, its heartbreaking to see and learn about all the effort put into his rescue. Something so depressive about a team of people working non-stop for over 15 days to dig him out, only to find him dead, and only missing him by 3 days.
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It's actually uncanny how many things went wrong during the rescue. That rain alone might've made that 3 day difference if it didn't happen.
35 likes@0332288 Imagine if they started to clear the gravel like that friend did from the beginning instead of waiting nearly a week and the cave beginning to collapse. Like that one dude shoveled 500 Kg of gravel out in 6 hours. Actually insane with what they came up with instead of just doing the thing that is tedious but will 100% work.
8 likesThis is why I’ve always found cave/mountain rescues really impressive, folk rescue complete strangers and put themselves at risk. Granted in todays world there’s much better techniques and technology available, but it’s always impressive.
3 likesIt's not really heartbreaking, this is a dumb ass hobby that's only real point is to get yourself killed
0 likesOne hell of a story, Start with insanity, despair,, hope, despair, hope, tragedy, greed, crime, then finally ending with the original goal complete. What a whirl wind of emotions and those who worked so hard to free him and poor Collins. I can't imagine what it was like for him, his friends, family, and those volunteer's.
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humor!
1 likewithout a doubt my favorite part has to be when Floyd started talking to Miller, knowing what happened it makes me tear up
3 likesyes
1 likeAmazing
0 likesThis video make my anxiety worse
0 likesThis is remarkable. I can't believe how many characters tried helping him, and Floyd did the best anyone could to hang on. So many crushing turns of events and so many new powers and people trying to help get him out. I can't believe that dentist put him back in there.
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dentists are disturbed people by and large, highest suicide rate in STEM for a reason i hear....
0 likesFor most people money is more important than human values.
2 likesfucking dentists man
0 likesGoosebumps when he also wanted that one worker to get trapped with him. Good god, what amazing story telling.
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random bystanders, were giving their all to save Floyds life. Im glad that he was able to eventually be given the proper burial he deserved.
0 likesImagine so deliriously suffering that you want another person to die trapped in a tiny dark cave with you, knowing full well that cave's gonna smell like another person's shit soon if it doesn't already.
39 likesStory telling? This actually happened
2 likes@Chaos True stories are still stories, and they can be told in different ways.
37 likes@Ella Karhu I don't get it. A true story is a true story.
2 likesI wouldn't think about something that had happened earlier in the day and say "That was good story telling"
@Chaos Would you not say Internet historian told this story? It just materialized out of his mouth with no input on his part?
33 likes@Ella Karhu He did tell the story but I'm talking about one moment in particular, where he describes Floyd not wanting to die alone.
0 likesHe just recounted what happened, I don't know how that is "good story telling"
That's what I was confused about
@Chaos I think you're just being contrarian for the sake of it
38 likes@Ella Karhu Tbh this video is plagiarizing a mental floss article from 2018 about this incident.
1 like@Chaos he told it in a way that made me feel goosebumps, if you flat out just went "Floyd wanted that guy to be trapped with him" I wouldnt feel the same way. If you added some sort of flare or deepness when telling me about it then you are already trying out a different way of telling the story.
13 likes@Chaos what Internet historian did was he was hinting at it slightly and then BOOM he tells us that what was actually happening. You'd think Floyd just wanted a ladle of coffee when he actually wanted someone to be stuck with him. The way Internet Historian told us this is as I said with the slight hinting, the worker would go down there and as the cave was collapsing Floyd called out for help(this makes us think oh he needs some help), the worker came and was about to ladle in some coffee into his mouth but Floyd refused(we become slightly confused, "why? I thought he needed the coffee") Then as tension builds that sudden realization just pops into our head at the same time Internet Historian narrates it "He wanted someone to be stuck with him." Boom goosebumps tension blablabla. Atleast this was how I felt, and I felt that that was some good story telling. If you pass this on like "Oh I already knew he wanted that guy to be stuck with him." then alright dude I guess u already read the story or some kind of genius idfc
6 likes@Sinnre Holy Gonzolee that's a long explanation tipped with a bit of anger at the end.
0 likesSo basically you just liked how he narrated it. Got it.
@Chaos yes. that is the definition of storytelling
7 likes@Schneebly I just assumed that Historian saying what happened was just a normal narration.
0 likesI didn't see it as some grand reveal.
Apparently it was amazing.
@Chaos If someone told you about something that happened earlier in the day, it would be story telling
9 likes@Chaos Never interrupt a socialist when they are fantasizing.
0 likes@DragonEye Wait what? I don't know what's happening anymore
1 like@Chaos same here, wtf is this guy on about
5 likes@Chaos I know this was over a week ago but all the editing and little jokes and suspense IS story telling. Story Telling Skills are the difference between a boring lecture and a fun video. A true story is still a story :)
3 likes@Chaos you are a silly little contraruan vole man
0 likes@Mara Sov I am not a contrarian and more importantly I identify as a Tapir
0 likes@Chaos bro, if you take a story of factual events, and have TWO DIFFERENT people recount it, the information presented can be told In COMPLETE different ways. Pacing of how the story is told, background info and details that can be added (or omitted), using (or not using) foreshadowing, structure of the story, which “characters” the storyteller chooses to mention (or leave out), the storyteller’s use of tone/emotion and vocabulary throughout… etc etc — these are ALL factors that can be TOTALLY different from person to person. Regardless if a true story had the same characters and same outcome, how a person actually PORTRAYS the story can have a profound effect on how we perceive it and opinions we form on the matter.
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@Cory Johnson I
0 likes@Lion
1 likeimagine believing the casey story. you are like the useless people outside the cave spreading gossip
@Chaos
1 likehe didn't recount what happened. casey recounted his so called speculation to make himself a bigger part of the story. floyd never said "im going to trap you" lmao
@Sinnre
1 likei bet you love fast and furious movies kid
@Jason Voorhees Please don't tell me you liked your own comments.
0 likesIt hasn't even been 2 hours lol
@Chaos
1 likeU MAD XD
@Jason Voorhees Oh god I can practically smell your age
1 like@Mr. Shickadance proof?
0 likes@Declicitous Maybe try reading the article that would be easy to find if you just looked?
0 likesJesus loves you guys!!!
0 likesAbsolutely riveting storytelling!!! The anxiety I felt of his initial predicament was intense!!! RIP Lloyd...
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you can't even spell his name properly how rude are you please become a man immediately
0 likesFloyd, Not Lloyd
10 likes@an average commenter probably a typo
3 likes@an average commenter
1 likewho cares
@Jason Voorhees i do.
0 likesI became so invested in this storytelling that I actually felt my heart shatter in two when I found out that Floyd couldn't make it. I just assumed that he somehow miraculously survived in the end because of how you narrated the rescue in such detail and it completely caught me off guard when he died anyway. There has literally been no other documentary I have watched that played with my emotions as much as this.
20 likesSo late to this but good lord this broke my heart. Such good work -- the pacing, the visuals, the acting, the humor? Some of your best work, dude. Thank you for this.
56 likesThere was a moment there near the beginning when I thought I wouldn't be able to stomach this story. But seeing Wendigoon and Ordinary Things was just comforting enough to get me through!
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Same I had to stop at one point it was giving me too much anxiety.
3 likesSame my hands were SWEATING
0 likesfelt that but with rusty cage
0 likesI've heard Floyd's story many times, my grandparents used to take my dad and his siblings cross country to all the national parks, he took me and mine before I entered highschool. The thing that stays with me most from that experience was the caves, well lit, beautiful, almost dreamlike at times, and the total darkness. That one moment our tour guide told us all to just be silent, the lights went out, and there was nothing. It felt like I'd been taken to a different place, the cavern walls were no longer there, I was in some sort of void. The thing about total darkness is pretty obvious but never occurred to me until that moment. Your eyes never adjust, pitch black doesn't exist on the surface, there's always some spec of light that will eventually give you something to work off of, in caves, light doesn't make it past the 20 ft mark. If you loose your light, your practically a goner, unless you know each wall and crevice of that cave intimately there's no way out. I only experienced it once in my life, safe and sound sitting on a bench with the knowledge that light would return in a few minutes. But that deep primal fear I felt, mixed with an inexplicable sense of wonder, it will stay with me for the rest of my life. I would gladly experience it again, and I understand why Floyd went down there, and why so many people still do despite the danger. We want to know what's down there, what wonders the world is still hiding from us. Surly there's something down there worth the risk.
39 likesThat 3D flyout at the start of the video was insane
124 likesThis really hits hard because I sorta know what it’s like to be trapped in a small space for a long period of time. It was miserable, so imagining being trapped for 2+ weeks?
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What happened in your case?
11 likes@Mr. Shickadance Oh this will be long. Um well it’s not even close to how horrifying and despairing being trapped in a hole is, but I was in the ER for 72+ hours in a community hospital. And since during Covid you’re not allowed to leave the room at all. No windows except I was able to barely see the outside light on the other side past the nurses’ station. You start to realize how many hours of daylight there is and you’re missing it. I couldn’t have any electronics. I was only allowed one visitor and they couldn’t be there long. Time slowed so much. So many other details I don’t wanna share.
0 likesIt’s nothing compared to what this man went through, but listening to it all reminds me of the feeling of being inside that tiny room not really knowing what’s going to happen next. So I’m really just imagining that feeling x1000000. I’m already an outdoorsy person, but it will make you appreciate being able to walk outside your house a lot more.
This is the beat story telling I've ever witnessed. Such a great video. Well prepared and brilliantly stated. Rip Floyd this world was just too cruel for you.
10 likesThe bit about the reflection of his tooth really got me. What a sad story, man.
23 likesOmg I love this story!!! Not that the last ones didn’t have good production but this one is another level; Thank you for putting the effort and money in.
3 likesWhat a story. 🙏💗 May Floyd Rest in Peace 💞💞 What an amazing love his brother and friends showed to him
17 likesHis brother is a real one. Immediately travels 10 hours to the cave, enters the cave still in city clothes, squeezes through a small ass hole no one else wanted to go through and starts digging through a large amount of gravel bare handed for 8 whole ass hours and after all that he raises money to get his body out the cave to properly bury him.
2 likesA story worth telling. Not everything is global politics or epic battles or the like. Sometimes it’s a man stuck in a cave, and the struggles of people to get him out. You combed history to give us this thorough presentation. And now we all know the story of Floyd. Thank you for your efforts.
3 likesI never heard of this story, its 100 years old and I was still sooo sad when I found out he died. Absolutely heartbreaking 😢. Splendid storytelling on your part Internet Historian. (Also this whole story shows the absolute disgustingness of the american capitalsitic system 🤢)
0 likesLoved you doing this style of video. Incredibly entertaining and funny. Hopefully you have more in the pipeline!
3 likesIt's interesting to see the internet historian branch out into real life history. I already liked the gentleman pirate. And this one is great to, props to the editing, as always!
3 likesThis is an absolutely absurd story. That stupid cave had the first, middle, and last laugh. The fact that the family couldn't even get his body out of the cave after he died makes me hate rocks in a way I never thought possible. RIP Floyd.
1 likeIt’s very rare that my easily distracted, instant gratification seeking, dopamine reward system loving ass will actually sit and watch something without doing anything else.
2 likesI just sat and watched this start to finish gripped by it.
That’s all your storytelling. Sure a guy stuck in a cave is intriguing; but the way you told it made it intensely captivating
the start of the video was agonizing, I never heard of this story and because of the agony I felt, it made me almost stop watching the video and I would have never know about what happened to floyd collins
0 likesThis was the most amazing documentary I have ever listened to. Shockingly, I was even convinced by the faces that tried to save Floyd being the real guys from the 1900s. Golden Globe documentary.
0 likesexcellent video.
0 likesbravo from covering "the pool is closed" to being, in my opinion, one of the best creator of documentaries on internet that I have seen.
but, legit question, why didn't he worked on the entrance of the turn around room first?
this is my 3rd time watching this, i already know the tragic end but deep down there's this spark of hope that Floyd got rescued.
0 likesthis story, this video IS Hope.
who needs a movie of this story, when internet historian already gave us the greatest version.
0 likesWith a pulley system anchored well enough they could have successfully attempted a rope pull
2 likesincredibly illustrative visual effects, I love them. also, love you put wendigoon's face in there.
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Yeah and he also put the peaky blinders in the background
0 likesIn case anyone wonders why they dug up at such a "low pace" despite so much manpower, I myself have had to dug in hard terrain and it's not easy at all. The pickaxes barely do anything, and when 5 of us could barely move any debris, we were forced to call in a machine operator. The machine, a modern machine, f-ing tilted sideways when going in. So we had to leave it be. And we were dealing with soil and rocks that hadn't been moved in just about 4-5 years, hardening it, I can't imagine old geological formations...
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Also, you don't actually dig faster with more men, adding more men means making a wider hole that just means more floor to clear away, all more men means is fresh men to take shifts.
2 likesI say this every time a new one drops, but this honesty might his best work yet.
0 likesWonderful video, great narration! You've only gotten better, Internet Historian! 😘
1 likeI never considered myself claustrophobic but just the image of “the squeeze” instilled so much fear into me
0 likesso much of the background audio for the rocks and the cave in this video is fucking C R U N C H Y and i love it. i love the sound of the rocks and the gravel and stuff you put in aaah its so good.
0 likesThis would have gotten a 10 minute standing ovation at the Venice film festival.
0 likesIts hard to fathom how far the YouTube video has travelled as an art form, where a video produced using the visual language bred deep inside internet culture has produced something that is a film, a documentary, an animation all at the same time and yet something completely different, that manages to sit on top of them all, grab the audience by their souls and keep them glued to their screens for days after the credits have rolled.
5/5 Would watch again.
makes me wonder if it would have been possible to have two teams working 1 trying to regain some type of access to Floyd to deliver supplies and other working on digging down to get him.
0 likesMore of these! I love this channel waaaay to much.
0 likesAlready watched it three times from yesterday. Always loved your work but this is something special.
0 likes“About the same time as when the lightbulb burnt out”
0 likesHis final grasp of hope for life gave out when it burnt out and nobody came, thats depressing honestly.
Stories like this make me realize i’m more claustrophobic than i think
1 likeAnother Fantastic Video! I hope these never end.
0 likesYou should dedicate one of your 4 channels to just telling historical oddities, or start a 5th one. You have an amazing voice to narrate anything really. Still taken aback by your face reveal on your 4th channel as you look way to young to have that voice.
0 likesI look forward to the sequel documenting the rescue of the memelord inspired by this video to investigate Sand Cave 😊
0 likesKind of a rant but here it goes... When it comes to Cave divers/Thrill seekers of all sorts I really do think they straddle the blurry line between bravery and sheer stupidity. It is incredibly hard for me to determine whether him (Floyd) going into the pit beyond the "Turn Around Room" multiple times is bravery or just him just not considering hard enough that the slightest thing going wrong could end badly for him. Like, imagine the rocks don't fall but the lantern breaks anyway. How in the God golly hell do you find your way out. I grant you he knows this cave well but the sheer thought of traversing that level of squeeze in the dark, completely by feel alone kept me up last night. I mean come on, that shit is nightmare fuel. Why would anyone subject themselves to the even slim possibility that something even close to that happens?! I don't say this to take away from the sadness that befell Floyd I wouldn't wish that fate even on the worst people I can think of. If anything, it made the people who went against all thoughts it was complete stupidity to even go through the turn around room the bravest people ever. What I'm asking myself and the internet is this: Am I a terrible person for thinking Floyd is pretty stupid for doing what he did?
0 likesIf he died about time the light went out that means that's when he officially gave up hope
0 likesProving time and time again that the chances of you dying from anything is severely exaggerated when you don't have hope of survival
I’m a minute and 30 seconds in and I already feel claustrophobic. This is gonna be a rough one.
0 likesThis is the greatest story I’ve ever heard!
0 likes2 weeks ago I started getting recommendations of videos from people being trapped on caves, now I know why. Great video as always!
0 likesI just found this channel and I feel like I stumbled upon a gold mine.
1 likeNeat, a story I'm familiar with. Bit more macabre than your usual fare tho
0 likesWhile I recommended this video to all my friends, I struggle to watch it again myself, knowing that this man is going to slowly die. It hit me hard and I cannot even formulate my feelings, why
0 likesChrist, the irony in this tale is insane.
0 likesWanted to find a good cave for a tourist attraction, BECAME the attraction instead.
Refused to amputate his leg to escape, only to have it amputated after his death.
Rescued from the cave by his brother. only to be returned to it shortly after.
If you like this video watch fear of depths by Jacob Geller. It uses the same story and is about the primal fear of going deeper.
0 likesThis gives me claustrophobia just watching, good job.
0 likesThis story is terrifying, but I do very much enjoy the sheer percentage of the crowd of onlookers that are Cillian Murphy
0 likesEverybody already praised Homer and Miller for being real human beans, but let's not forget the real homie, Gerald. Dude lifted half a ton of rocks without proper equipment WHILE in a very disadvantageous terrain, and didn't give up hope of rescuing his friend even at the imminent danger of cave in. If it wasn't for the fact that rocks literally got dropped on him, threatening to incapacitate him, the dude probably would have clawed his way to Floyd for real.
0 likesThe Subway
1 like"Foot long" Roll
has NEVER been 12 inches long
and still isn't, to this very day.
i always sleep w my weighted blanket slightly covering my face but the bit where you described him going through “the squeeze” made me so claustrophobic i had to take a break
0 likesI love how Miller went from just trying to pester a trapped man for an interview, to risking his life in order to save him, then refusing to profit when he failed.
1 likeTruly one of the best character arcs in anime history
Finally, a feature length movie worth watching
0 likes"... and forty five hundred automobiles sat backed up for two miles in front of the farm. There, they were in for the surprise of their lives - nobody expected the Ukrainian army to strike at that convoy!"
0 likesI mean. If he was fast enough to place a torch he could have broken the falling gravel blocks in a fast manner.
0 likesCan I just say how much I LOVE the inclusion of Little Nightmares 2 music here? No? Well I just did.
0 likesThis work deserves an award.
0 likesThis is possibly the most Kentucky story I've ever experienced
1 like54:20
0 likesGood to see that crazy people with wild behaviour isn't something new
I'm only two minutes in and I can already tell that this is too much for even my minor claustrophobia to handle, I gotta dip.
0 likes...Okay maybe five more minutes
This video made me realise i absulty fear caves
1 likeShould have used a pulley to transfer the vertical force of the rope pull into a horizontal force
0 likessomehow i kept praying he would be saved :(
0 likesoh man I made it so far into the video before I succumbed to the comments and it broke my heart to see that he didn't make it after all 💔
1 likeIn an alt universe
0 likesHe got out after 48 hours and then after standing up died of a blood clot acting on the brain.
You probably won't see this Mr. Internet Historian, but I would like to know if there is any chance possible of you collaborating with Mister Metokur before he dies of lymphoma? I have been watching both of you guys for a while & I think Jim would jive extremely well with you just like Sumito does.
2 likesWatching this on an edible was a mistake, I am STRESSED
2 likesI'd really like to leave a positive review on this video, but that won't be possible since I physically cannot watch this video without panicking
0 likesAll of those cave exploration meme videos hit different after this
0 likesIts hillarious that if you look at the reactions all of them have about 5 to 15 minutes of "reactions"
0 likesYou gotta make a mountain disaster vid with HasanAbi as the main character. You can just use sound bites from his stream😱
0 likesIk my comment out of thousands might not be noticed, but this genuinely was on of the most enjoyable videos i ever seen on this platform
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It was noticed!
0 likesThat Cave is the Main Protagonist in this story.
0 likesShe wanted him badly - badly enough to kill him
so that no one else would have him.
This certainly didn't help my phobia of caves.
0 likesNot even at the 5:30 mark and I'm at peak anxiety mode
1 likeJust started watching best part so far @13:03
0 likesI am glad that captain Steede made its career into a successful journslist path
0 likesBro this Thomas dude is one of the sickest people I‘ve ever heard of 🤢 there really is no dignity when money is involved
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0 likesI hate how there are so many reaction videos to this this. Just type in “Man in cave” and you’ll find dozens of them listed below this orginal video. I swear there’s so many leaches on youtube. They should be making their own content instead of feeding off of other people’s.
2 likesDude, best one hour I have ever spent.
0 likesit brings me enormous inner peace to know that I am to tall to even get through the squeeze,
0 likesBest video I've watched in a long time.
0 likesThis was better than half the shit you find on streaming services
1 likeI WAS WAITING so patiently for PEAKY BLINDERS CUTOUT 😂
1 likewould be wonderful if you'd cover some paranormal cases from time to time
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I'm not saying it's aliens... but it's aliens
0 likesInternet historian doesn't strike me as someone that would be cover made up stuff. I guess if the case is interesting enough, and displays how crazy people can be.
0 likes"cave city... real name."
1 likehey we didnt say it was creative 🤷♀
also you said louisville wrong
Miller is really quite a character!
0 likeslmao seeing the peaky blinders outside of the cave
1 likeNothing like this could ever happen today
0 likesAs a Louisville resident, it’s pronounced “Loo-uh-vul”
0 likesClass video as always
0 likesSo did they ever dig through to where Floyd was trying to get to?
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Probably not.
0 likesCouldn’t stop singing the lyrics to deeper underground by jamiroquai
0 likesAlways happy to see a video from you
0 likesWell There's Your Problem did a good episode on caving disasters that mentioned this guy.
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???
0 likesYou should do a collab with LEMiNO, imagine what kind of top quality video we would get
0 likesi am just 4 min into the video and i m feeling like i am suffoca-
0 likesWhat are you doing to me, this video made me have such anxiety I felt breathless.
0 likesdonating this from a cave. please send help
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sorry mate, too dark innit
1 likethis was a fucking masterpiece.
0 likesNostalgia with the MOHAA radio music 🥲
0 likesthe fact peaky blinders was there and thomas shelby lookin like the hero sheesh.
1 likeYeah sooooo don’t go through 4 tiny ass holes underground???? Yeah got it
1 likeClassic film Ace In the Hole (1951) is inspired by this story.
0 likes1:30 in and I'm already claustrophobic as fuck
0 likesi'm not even that claustrophobic and yet i felt like i was about to puke from the very start of this video
0 likesWhoever put llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch as their patron name is amazing and as a Welshman I thank you for sharing the pain of that town name.
0 likes14:01 bruh the situation was so dire evn Thomas Shelby arivved with Peaky blinders not once but twice
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lmfao
0 likesYo I actually visited the mammoth cave before.
0 likesImagine the smell. The guys was down there for days shitting and pissing himself among the rocks. Then people going down there to work.
0 likesRip Floyd.
0 likesbro, u promised shorter and frequent videos man.... there's so much stuff going on aswell nowadays
0 likesI wonder if I'll ever stop thinking about this now
0 likesIH back with a banger as always
0 likesanxiety level: yes
0 likesThis video made me feel claustrophobic
0 likesHoly shit I never had claustrophobia but now??
0 likesMan. What a story...
0 likesthe soundtrack from LIMBO was a nice touch
0 likesElon Musk would have been all over this
0 likesThis gave me secudary claustrophobia.
0 likesIf only people were this brave today
0 likesI went spelunking a couple times, got temporarily stuck once, and never did it again.
0 likesThings like this are why I'm glad I never got into spelunking
0 likesWhat is with the claim of the soil being barren in the region? KY is basically a bread basket for the region....
0 likesthis video was stressful to get thru lol
2 likesis he using a freaking wendigoon png xD
0 likesUr funny my guy or at least your writers are
0 likesPfft, take that Franco! 127 hours ain't nothing.
0 likesI’m definitely having nightmares tonight.
0 likessrly documentary media should be edited and narrated like this
0 likes15:26 The Wolf Among Us is underrated
0 likesThe dark souls sounds track tho
0 likesAhh its the History Historian
0 likesGerald was a beast. He and Miller and Homer Collins were the heroes here, despite Floyd’s eventual tragedy.
361 likesspeaking of people trapped in a cave...WORLD OF TANKS!
0 likesI knew of this story already, but this is probably the single most comprehensive and best-presented piece of media about it. All the little details here were completely new to me, and the narrative is highly compelling.
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Exactly! All I knew was that a guy got stuck in a cave and it was very narrow so I liked the wider and smaller details here
4 likesCoffeezilla came to save the day!
0 likesBig fan but I don’t think the silly style of this documentaries fits a darker story like this
0 likesfor those who are confused why wendigoon was in a tunnel, he was looking for giants
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we all know wendigoons hide their prey in the tunnels after hunting
10 likesWhat
0 likesAnd the entrance to Agartha. It's right there, we all saw it.
3 likesI feel bad for Floyd’s brother having to see how his brothers corpse turned into a tourist attraction after all he did to try to save him
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I make entertaining videos as well🙏
0 likes@Yung Zyon Tracka
0 likesYeah, it's like his failure was paraded for all to see.
0 likesLouisville dude here, you really did the story justice, Internet Historian. I always thought it was sad few knew about it. Should you ever visit Louisville (I promise it’s not hillbillies; we’re a beautiful riverfront city built by German immigrants with the raddest food), I really do encourage you see Mammoth Cave. There’s one path called “fat man’s misery“ that might remind you of what poor Floyd had to go through...
124 likesAlso, if you want any weird info about Louisville for your other channel or whatever, hit me up. I got a doozy about a court case of my Louisville ancestors that apparently affected a court of law’s views on the supernatural for fucks sake. Like, it’s in legal textbooks and shit because of it, I kid you not.
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louisville gang
8 likesI have family in Louisville and one of them raves all the time about the food and job opportunities, then again, they've contracted covid like 5 times over there too.
0 likesI don't think I'd mind at all if this channel covered older historical events like this more often. What a great video.
207 likesI've heard this story before, but NEVER in the incredible minute by minute way that this is recounted. This feels much more personal, more human. Well done. If not for the goofy images and such (which I appreciate, BTW), I would be shedding some serious tears right now, these decades later.
192 likesI know this isn't his usual kind of content, so I wanted to leave a comment that this was an amazing video; absolutely gripping. Breaking down the situation and difficulties involved, the time tracking, the twists and turns of the story, all really well done! I hope to see more like this!
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I agree it’s a great video but the story itself is just too sad. I can barely watch it
6 likesyou took the words straight out of my brain, genuinely, it was narrated wonderfully
1 like49:32 did you see it?
0 likesMan... that hurt the feels a little bit. After all dude went through and as long as he held on, he was just short of being rescued, potentially.
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The video could have been half an hour long. To go through all the agonising attempts to rescue him and for it to be all for nothing feels like a waste
0 likes@Autonova u skip to the end of books, don't u?
6 likesI fear they'd have had to cut off his leg to get him out just like the eventual 'rescuers'.
0 likes@Julie no need to be a dick about it. I just don't want to spend so much time watching something that ends up depressing me
0 likesAs a caver and an internet historian fan since 2018, I never dreamed I would see these two of my favorite things fused together. I knew how the story ended before I watched it, but it almost didn’t matter. This was hands down one of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen, and one pf my personal favorite ever.
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Out of curiosity, has this story affected how you approach caving in any way? Or was anything learned from this incident that changed the way caving is done? Also, do you manage to not think about this story every time you go caving, or is it always in the back of your head?
5 likesI thought this was going to be another story where a guy got stuck in the same way as this guy in another cave but in more modern times. He also died but it was brutal as they almost pulled him out with ropes but at the last moment he slid back in further to a point where he was no longer reachable
0 likes@Bavarian Banshee It definitely sticks in the back of your mind whenever you’re underground, even if you don’t think about it all the time. Caves feel alive in a way that I’ve never really seen from any other type of environment, and their also (almost by design) perfect built to mess with humans. The darkness of caves takes away your sight and the shape of caves messes with your hearing, the two senses that humans are most reliant on, and deep enough underground they eventually just completely eliminate your sense of which way is up. I’ve been through some tight squeezes, not as tight as the one in the video but tight enough that I couldn’t move my arms and had to paddle with my feet, and they don’t scare me but I completely understand how they terrifying most people.
0 likesCaving today is a lot different, mostly due to improvements in safety. Headlamps are obviously a 1,000x better than kerosine lanterns, you wouldn’t catch me bringing that shit into a cave, and its easier to carry backup lights and supplies and whatnot. In the video, Sand Cave was already relatively unstable, and we know today (he mentions it in the video) that a lot of the things that the crowd outside the cave was doing sped up its collapse drastically. Caves have existed the way they are for 1,000’s of years- basically, just don’t do anything to alter or destroy that structure and it will be good to you.
This was an incredible story, gripping and heartbreaking. You can even see the defeat on everyone's faces at 59:19. All of the people who actually waned to help, not just the random bystanders, were giving their all to save Floyds life. Im glad that he was able to eventually be given the proper burial he deserved.
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Thanks for watching
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is that where the cap phrase came from?!?
0 likesyou know what's incredible? even after a hundredish years this story still captivates people like it did then.
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It’s just one of those human things that captivated anyone with human nature. This was ONLY a hundred years ago. There are stories from several thousand years ago that still captivate us today.
1 likeQueue the Skyrim cave music
0 likesThat was quite the gripping story. After getting engrossed for an hour only to learn of the outcome, I felt genuinely defeated. Amazing story telling of an amazing story.
315 likesYou said Louisville wrong, and as someone from Louisville, you really just angered me and disrespected my city. It isn't pronounced “lEwUViLe”, but “Luvile”, like your saying “Luke”, but stop at the K. Then you follow it with a ville.
1 likePlease make sure you know how to pronounce things before you say them. I am very disappointed in you.
This was apparently one of the biggest news story between two world wars and yet so many of us have never heard of it! This is the kind of storytelling and history that needs to be covered and I see no one better to do that.
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I make entertaining videos as well🙏
0 likesI have heard this story told like 3 different times, and this is easily the best retelling of it I have heard, it is like hearing it again for the first time.
79 likesRemember people, there is nothing for man in caves. Only the foolish and stubborn explore them.
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nothing except cool ass crystals that make you spend months digging to make it more accessible
13 likesSomeone gotta do it, but yeah at least don’t go alone
1 likeAnd that, guys, galls, and nonbinary pals, is why you'll never ever EVER catch me in, nor near a cave
0 likesAs a Kentucky citizen, this was a roller-coaster of a story that I have never heard of. Thank you for shining a light on this piece of history
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West Kentucky citizen here ! 🙋🏼♀️
0 likesSince you've never heard of this story the reporter guy failed.
1 like@MK Ultra bro it was 100 years ago tf u want
17 likes@MK Ultra More like my history class didn't deem it worth telling
0 likes@DeadlyCatfish lol I WANT PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
0 likes@REDemon14 Your history class was gay
0 likesSam o' nella or someone similar should make a video about this too, I'd love to see this story in the artstyle and humor of someone like Sam.
0 likesThe determination of his brother and a bunch of random strangers is truly inspiring. Faith in humanity restored
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the faith i got from those people was shattered by the thousands of idiots that gathered around the cave not helping at all. and especially those that made money off of floyds body and distress
0 likesJust for hundreds of idiots to kill the man. Faith in humanity ended
0 likesUntil you get to the people who exploited his corpse that is
29 likesThis was a hundred years ago. Humanity these days, not so much.
1 likeHonestly this just decreased my faith in humanity more than anything. The work done by the brave and hardworking ultimately amounted to nothing. While the only people who gained anything from this were the jackals and vultures who exploited this event.
10 likes@My 9th Account yeah i didn’t watch until the end until after I wrote this comment :/
1 like@PeterSpeeder69
5 likesThe courage and daring of the rescue teams is to be admired though. If they simply didn’t arrive in time, at least they could say that their efforts gave a man a proper burial. Ultimately they couldn’t even say that…. It took almost another half century for that to happen.
the humanity of people 100 years ago
3 likesLemme tell you bud, the humanity who made this story possible is long gone. all that remains is subhuman mongrels.
0 likesThe storytelling by Internet Historian is better than any documentary. First with Fyre Festival, then Costa Concordia (just to name a few) and now this.
180 likesAmazing.
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It's kind of curious how a historical story he covered got covered into a TV show within a few months
3 likesWell, these masterpieces are documentaries among other things ...
0 likesMan idk why but I'm extremely emotional that he wasn't rescued. So close, so many what ifs. At the end of the day at least he is put to rest out of that hellish cave. God rest his soul.
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He literally threw his life away for the dumbest hobby ever conceived.
3 likes@Obi the BEEF nobody deserves to die for any reason, especially one as stupid as "i didnt like their hobby"
13 likes@Obi the BEEF for money actually
1 like@Obi the BEEF it wasn’t for a hobby, you ding dong, it was for a better future. Maybe pay attention next time you watch?
7 likes@Obi the BEEF it would've been a much easier rescue if thousands of people weren't outside of the cave
0 likes@A Black Templar Absolutely agree but he could have had sameone to supervise him
0 likesSo this is what youve been working on...
0 likesThis video never left like 1 hour. I was seduced by your story telling and editing. You and your team are fantastic at what you guys do
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1 like@reef sosa Red Dead Redemption 2: Lemonye Theme
0 likesSadly most of the script was plagiarized from an article written by Mental Floss. I wouldn't mind if he actually gave credit, but he did not.
0 likesRusty cage! Awesome cameomlol
0 likesmy heart sank when you said he was found dead. it's ridiculous to hope a man survived being stuck in a cave for more than two weeks, but humanity is a ridiculous thing.
176 likeshe made it out, though. i hope he knew, as he died, that he wouldn't stay there forever.
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I doubt it would’ve crossed his mind
0 likesI don't think the sounds of gravel and rocks shifting will ever not be unnerving
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When you get really deep underground, the rock around you is always making an odd groaning sound. You learn to tune it out while remaining alert for even the tiniest hint of that signature sound of rock fall.
12 likesI worked in exploratory drilling and even with the noise of our drills running, which was about 135 dB at full throttle, my ears were still able to pick up the sounds of even a marble sized pebble falling from the back or down the ribs.
Back and ribs are the miners' terms for the ceiling and walls. Some refer to the floor as the belly, but it's a much less common term for some reason.
Edit: we had an MSHA inspector clock our rig at 146 dB in one heading we were working. His report caused the company to require double hearing protection for all underground employees who were in the vicinity of a drill while it was running.
It was an odd sensation to have the drill turning constantly for 10 or 11 hours, then shutting it down at the end of shift and removing ear pro to dead silence.
👏 Bravo, sir. Bra...vo.
0 likesSo he’s just gone from internet historian to history historian
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Maybe the “Internet” is just the method in which he “Historian”’s.
10 likesnow he's just a historian that happens to be in the internet
4 likesAs someone from Glasgow, KY, literally 15 minutes out from Cave City, this story's pretty famous with us. I was absolutely fucking thrilled you decided to cover it, because the entire story is a wild ride, and there's a good chunk of these details that tend to get omitted.
751 likesFun Fact: Cave City absolutely went to utter shit after Sept 11th, 2001, after a lot of the other tourism trap shit died down a lot, Guntown Mountain went to shit, and Crystal Onyx Cave actually collapsed.
Wanna know what ended up reviving the town and kept it going to this day? Going from being a "Dry" city to "wet" around 2014. Literally ALCOHOL ended up saving the city, since most folks around the area didn't have to resort to driving over a half hour to Bowling Green to get booze anymore (or relying on bootleggers and resellers for a good time).
Glasgow, KY ended up resorting to the same tactics at the end of 2015 since the city literally ran out of money as well, but by that time I'd already moved out.
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Hilarious, I remember when Glasgow finally switched but I never knew they were just following Cave Cities lead. My county still ain't wet yet 😔
4 likes"Guntown Mountain" is the most southern thing I've ever heard
12 likes@rold4321 What about Gun Barrel City (in Texas)?
7 likes@Fixy Clary what about it?
0 likes@rold4321 It's a pretty 'Southern' thing.
3 likesWhy did tourism die out in september when this all happens in february?
0 likesPeople love slowly killing themselves 🤷🏻♂️ what can you say
0 likes@Cerdic He's not talking about this time period, he said 2014. I believe he's saying the September 11th attacks put a strain on travel and people stopped visiting the area in general and the town slowly died with no tourism
3 likes@Sovereign Snorlax What happened in september in 2014 in kentucky? Was it a shooting or something?
0 likes@Cerdic No i dont think so. He's talking about how travel was impacted by September 11th 2001.
4 likesYou gotta be more specific then September 11th for all the non Americans.
0 likes@Fixy Clary no shit its texas that doesnt count
0 likesAre dry towns that common of a thing still? I honestly had no idea places in America were still dry outside of morman country, especially in the south.
0 likesI'm from Glasgow, Scotland. There are still lots of old abandoned railway tunnels under this (surprisingly to some) large city. Closest I could get to your great info.
0 likesYou're literally the only one that can make me watch a whole 1h video, love your content man!
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Low attention span zoomie
21 likes@Davy Machinegun Careful boomer, aren't you afraid the radio will steal your soul?
6 likes@Anoon imagine not being able to watch a one hour video
9 likesI make entertaining videos as well🙏
0 likes@Yung Zyon Tracka
0 likesI'm old enough to remember when IH made 10 min videos.
0 likesMan dug straight down in minecraft
0 likesTwo things I'd like to mention,
430 likesFirst, when you think about it. They probably coulda reached him before he died, if there hadn't been so much interference from the public. Time was wasted during that two day court martial, and even prior to that, time was wasted with the locals arguing about what they should do to free him, while getting nothing done. Add it all up, and it shows that 3 whole days were wasted. It's tragic.
Which brings me to my second point, Internet Historian told this tragic story brilliantly. He told it in a way where it felt like you're actually there watching it all unfold. Upon watching his other videos, he does this with some of his other videos, and he does it very well. But the fact that he's able to tell this story in a way that it gets people like myself to shed tears for a man who's been dead for almost 100 years, which is praiseworthy and admirable
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Right?! If they had’ve just started digging straight down, with manpower only, from the start… whilst also feeding floyd with infrequent trips so as to not damage the cave integrity… then they would’ve reached him and saved him. Hindsight is 20/20 I supppse
0 likesOh my God, you're right. Ugh, I wish they could have done succeeded.
10 likesThat's still assuming the Lieutenant and the organised workers would've arrived sooner than they did. I guess getting outside help like this; was not as easy or guaranteed back in 1925. They kinda just showed up one day (several days too late) after getting an open purse promise from the Governor of Kentucky to help Floyd. Before that, digging a hole above Floyd was too difficult because of the boulders and solid rock and no one having the experience in mining.
33 likesI agree the locals wasted a lot of people's time and they should've minded their own goddamn business from the start. Wasting less time could've helped Miller's crowbar plan to actually work, and if it weren't for the locals; the cave likely wouldn't have collapsed before Miller's plan was truly exhausted (or potentially successful).
@Nabzarella Dare all those locals who were there for so long could’ve at least started digging. Maybe they didn’t have the experience to go deep like the (expecting to be) paid miners were, but they could at least start and give the miners a 5-10 foot head start
17 likes@T Man Without calibration, they wouldn't know where to start digging from
7 likes@Nabzarella Dare so do the calibration then? These are cave folk, they live there. I’m assuming that most anything the random miners brought in can do, they can also do. If that’s not the case fair enough, but it seems to me to make much more sense to start digging him out from the get go rather than spend literally weeks doing nothing except tying to pull him out or amputate his leg an stuff
0 likes@T Man "The prospect of digging from above seemed almost fanciful, at least it did in the beginning. But luckily they had some help." This implies that digging from above him was a suggestion thrown around at the start, but was dismissed - no one knows why, but it's likely due to not having the right help to begin with. Most of the locals were drunks, random towns people and tourists. Not exactly the most coordinated or helpful bunch even when given instructions.
9 likes@Nabzarella Dare it seemed fanciful because they preferred the far less fanciful idea of pulling him out with a rope… let’s just say it like it is, they made terrible decisions. Hindsight is 20/20, but facts is, if they had be stated digging down, that would have been far better than what they actually did. Hell, laying a tarp or drying him out would’ve been better than what they did lol
1 like@T Man That's an assumption, bro. We don't know why it was ruled out at the beginning, could've been for a legit reason. The people theorising about laying a tarp down were likely locals (once again) offering unhelpful advice because they don't know/understand the complexity of where he's trapped and how. Putting a tarp under him may have been near impossible given his position, maybe it could've worked. The point is, we're no better than those locals by giving unhelpful advice on what they could've done - we weren't there. Maybe they did fuck up (apart from the locals lighting campfires, that was 100% a fuck up), or maybe they really did all they could given the time period, their location and the situation.
2 likesNot to mention the fires they lit causing the ice to melt.
4 likes@Nabzarella Dare It may have seemed fanciful at first but ultimately his brother showed with six men and dug him out. That tells me if only they had gotten the idea to dig first, and also to go behind the boulder from the beginning, he could have been out in the 12 hours it took for his brother to extract his body.
0 likes@Maelstrom It took a week for his brother and the miners to dig Floyd's body out, and that was only because the dig site had already been dug up prior, so the ground was softer and the boulders were mostly out of the way. Also, remember Homer had to get a lot of money before he could even get Floyd out to begin with? They clearly weren't willing to do it for free. The miners didn't show up to the rescue effort until they were promised compensation from the Kentucky Governor, and not a minute before.
2 likes@Nabzarella Dare that’s an assumption? Bro everything we’re saying is assumptions, including you. Saying if they got to him 3 days earlier he’d be alive is an assumption, anything could have happened. It’s from a hundred years ago, relax, it’s not that serious
0 likesthe three days you mentioned are the same three days that was mentioned by internet historian that where missed before he died, and the same time when his light went out.
1 like@Nabzarella Dare Right, not sure where I got 12 hrs from. It would make sense that they started in the same spot and eventually dug around the boulder when they got close, but I don't think that was stated in the video. Even so, after the first failed attempt to get him out through the cave they could have started digging and got to him in a week while proving food and water from the other end. Money would have been the main obstacle but since it was their property they could have charged the tourists a fee to get close or taken donations for the digging. With so many people interested in the situation it's hard to imagine they couldn't have raised enough money or found volunteers to dig. Anyway, I realize it's easier to come up with these ideas in hindsight but in the moment they were all running on adrenaline and doing what seemed to be the obvious solution.
0 likesI totally agree. Media too focused on watching and criticizing the problem rather than focusing on it. I personally think the miners came too late because of that mentality.
0 likesThe miners should have came the moment they realized the cave was unstable, they would have had a much better head start.
They done kilt wendergone 😢😭😭😭
0 likesIt's incredible how Internet Historian is a better storyteller than most working movie and tv writers. This was a very engaging video.
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Movie and TV writers would have added a lot of useless drama, 5 side plots and a romance, while gender/race swapping half the characters.
17 likesIronically, there’s a classic movie based in part on this story called Ace in the Hole starring Kirk Douglas. Highly recommend it.
4 likesOkay calm down now 12 year old boy
1 like@Pillsbury DoughBane That's really interesting. Thanks for letting me know.
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0 likesYou're gonna have to duel me for him! 🙃 IH is a gem of today's YouTube creators & storytellers in general.
yep. it's so fucking depressing
0 likesDid I hear limegrave music from elden ring here? 45:30
0 likesWow....I never thought a Internet Historian video would bring me close to tears but here we are, this story is heartbreaking. So much determination and grit by all those who tried to get him out only to have that be the outcome. Masterful story telling Historian!
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0 likesI'm calling it here: this is his masterpiece.
1 like14:50 this part made me choke up with emotion. His brother didn't hesitate to come save him, even though everyone else turned back.
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I’d do anything for family, at the end of the day it’s really all you got who matter the most.
2 likesIt really got me when Homer went to earn that money not for himself, but for his dead brother and to get him out of that cave and kept his word.
Almost 69,000,000 views congrats & a pre-emptive nice.
0 likesThis is making me too anxious
0 likesThis was not a story I was expecting. I was expecting to laugh but it went from fear, to anxiety, to sadness, a laugh or 2, back to sadness. This channel really is like no other. Thank you for all you do.
305 likesRusty Cage! Let's gooooo!
0 likesTruly such a harrowing story of an entombed soul. If only there was more bravery & urgency to make solid plans to aid, excavate and rescue in the beginning, He held on for way longer than I could have ever imagined surviving deep down there. Let's take a moment to appreciate such a captivating story that had it all, empathy, humour, hope, despair. It perfectly captured the suffocatingly dire state during the interpretation of the vision/nightmare. May you long rest in peace Floyd Collins.
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So well said. When TIH was describing the scene of that worker going down to scope out the cave for the last time just as it was collapsing, I felt genuine horror in my chest. I can't even imagine knowing that you're about to be essentially sentenced to a slow, painful, and lonely death like that. I probably would've asked someone to kill me quick and easy, no joke.
5 likesI know that people wants to praise Miller or Homer for their selflessness, but we know that we all can agree that everyone that actively took part (not you tourists who just camp near the cave) in this rescue is great people.
275 likesMan, Miller was such a chad throughout this event. Dude went down a cave even experts hesitated to go into so that he could get a story, but then he ended up spending days risking his own life to try and save a man he barely knew. If Floyd was saved, I'm sure they would have become great friends.
198 likesThis is the most tensed I've ever felt, watching an Internet Historian video. Good job making this real event exciting, tensed and certain parts humorous. I was very invested in the development of Floyd
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I'm 2 minutes in and already feel extremely claustrophobic.
0 likesAnd that while sitting outside in a garden
It's amazing isn't it? How much humans can empathize with one another, even through story form. You put yourself in that position of hopelessness and all you have keeping you alive is hope. Isn't it poetic that when the light went out he died? He saw absolutely no chance of survival, that light was his hope, it went out and so did his body. How could someone possibly ward off hypothermia without the flame of hope to keep you warm?
3 likesI imagine if they would have been able to tell him he was being dug out, he would have survived. He could have kept himself active, he could have just exercised with rocks, etc to stay warm. granted, that took a ridiculous amount of time. Two weeks in a cave. What a hell. Hope dashed more than once. The crowds killed him. If his childhood friend had been there from day 1 he would have been out.
That’s the part that people always failed to mention when telling this story, his body was still in the cave technically on display until pretty much the 1990s, it’s absolutely crazy how no one thought “hang on a minute, this shouldn’t be a problem anymore” it’s so messed up
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see the rest of the video mate
3 likes@JZilmo "failed to mention"
1 likeIt's in past tense. they watched the whole thing
@JZilmo I believe he's criticizing other retellings of the story.
4 likesReversing out of the cave to show how far down he was stuck was really a great touch. I've watch numerous vids on this caving disaster, and yours is the absolute best. Keep up the good work!
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I watched the whole thing, but what’s the timestamp for reversing out of the cave?
0 likes@Hello 5:00
5 likesDoes anyone know if there is a file for the 3D cave map somewhere? I’d like to look at it more, but I can’t find it.
1 likePowerful final statement that really made me rethink everything:
74 likes“None of this would have happened if Floyd had got World of Tanks.”
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Floyd actually had his phone, but had only downloaded RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.
3 likesCan I just say the mans brother, a random news journalist, and a firefighter, sound like an accidental badass team combination I never imagined.
156 likesThe origins of cap
0 likesWhy does an ad have to pop up every time the story is like at a pivotal moment that is so so frustrating
0 likesThe greatest tragedy:
85 likesIf enough volunteers in the first few days had just gone with the original plan, Floyd would have made it out alive. The cave would not have begun to collapse, probably.
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I'm guessing that the mass of people rushing to see the events at the cave are what caused it to collapse. The more attention it got, the more cave-ins were going to happen.
11 likesif if if if if if if ...
0 likesKatana zero music coming in clutch
0 likesFun fact: if you want a similar story in italian flavour a very similar case happened in Frascati (near Rome) in 1981. Wasn't a big cave though. Alfredo Rampi was a six year old boy who fell and got stuck in a 60 m (196 ft) deep pit. They tried getting him out in so many different ways they ended up using people with dwarfism and a fucking contortionist. A gigantic crowd of people formed near the pit, it became so much of a news sensation that president Sandro Pertini ended up being there talking to the kid (the case is also famous for being an example of the blatant sensationalism of italian news).
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I remember that story from a Mr. Ballen video. I was amazed at the incompetence of most of the "experts" involved, and how a teenager had better ideas and even gave them warnings about the stupid decisions they made. Poor boy. He deserved better.
75 likesI remember my mom told me she had to write an essay at school about the case at one point, while It was still going on, and She didnt even live anywhere near Frascati. Though if I recall correctly, he got stuck in a well, not really cave. Either way i can see the parallels with Collins. Real heartbreaking shit, can't Imagine what was going through the kid's head, it's terrifying
38 likesWhat happened to the kid :0
8 likes@Willow Rolfe The child eventually died in the well, unfortunately.
45 likes@Daniel Averbuck DAMMIT!!! D:<
12 likesALFREDINO 😭
3 likesYeah, my father told me that story, I was pissed, they turned the kid last moments into an attaction 😠
1 likeDude kept takin' Ls.
0 likesWhenever I have a bad day, I try to think about people like Floyd who went through unimaginably hopeless and terrifying situations like this, and I can at least be grateful that I'm not stuck 100ft underground in the cold darkness alone in a collapsing cave for two weeks.
613 likesReally when you put it like that my life is a fucking dream.
Also every single person who made it through The Squeeze is an absolute chad, yes even Casey leaving Floyd was 100% the right decision.
I've done a little caving and at one point was trying to crawl through a very similar (though much shorter) tunnel except the walls were compact ash and dirt and the floor was covered in a few inches of loose sand. About halfway into the tunnel I just pictured myself scraping the walls too much and the whole thing collapsing; I lost my nerve and bailed. Anyone with the courage to go through anything like that... just wow.
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I don't think anyone blames Casey for bailing on a very clearly and audibly collapsing cave
28 likes@Zuleph Izus Yeah I figured that's what most people would think too but I have come to learn that regardless of how wild an opinion is there will be people out there who are willing to hold it.
8 likesSuper correct sir...stuff like this really puts personal life into perspective lol...bad day at work? Yeah imagine being stuck so tight in that cave..in the dark..with no hope honestly..my issues don't measure anywhere near that situation lol..
7 likes@Mikey Frederick you think you're conscious all the way to the last second? Or maybe you're lucky and your brain shuts down from the shock of the situation
2 likesPiss off
0 likesEver heard of John Jones and the Nutty Putty cave? He was stuck upside down for around 28 hours before he died of cardiac arrest from being upside down. They had a phone line ran down to him where he could talk to his wife who was pregnant. He was trapped as long but it would still be an absolutely horrible way to go.
3 likesIf you put yourself into this kinda situation deliberately..then your an idiot, simple as that. Plus you're putting other people's life at risk as well by trying to rescue you.
0 likesRight. Even if you don't go that far and think of modern times, there are people today in 2022 (particularly certain villages in Africa) where you need to go on an entire trip just to get the water you need to survive for that day.
0 likes@Gavin Townsley I don't think that people who do these things are idiots, frankly I admire their determination to push their boundaries.
1 likeThere's a certain truth to the fact that we're never more alive than when we are near death.
However, inevitably when we push our boundaries, we end up finding them.
Some people have no fear, they can go on roofs of tall buildings and balance on the edge, it takes a certain kind of person to do things like that. It's not even so much about being stupid, just having little or no fear instinct.
1 like@werr kowalski yes you're right it takes a "special" kinda person to crawl into a hole where there's hardly any room to breathe, to try dig out another small hole so it can be used for tourists to go to a magical cave. I'm guessing the tourists would need to be as special as him? 🤔
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0 likeswhy are you making this a competition? show some repsect
@Classic80sStuff that's the story that got me interested in cave diving..I would NEVER do that activity lol ..if I was stuck like and they could get meds to me some how..I would definitely get it over with way quicker if you know what I mean...
0 likes@Mikey Frederick Oh I totally agree. I would want them to just shoot me full of morphine or whatever would be much better than suffering up until the very last second.
1 like@Classic80sStuff great minds think alike lol..I doubt that situation will happens to us..I don't think we would EVER crawl into anything that sketchy but if it does we got a battle plan...yall would hear me screaminggggg for all drugs any drugs lol..
0 likesI was hoping for a happy ending, but regardless, this story really is a great demonstration of how amazing people can be.
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Both amazing and awful
4 likesHow amazing, how horrible, and how fame is not always a good thing.
0 likesAlso, people will just stand around and watch no matter which era you were in! At least now we can record stuff in real time with our phones.
@Jordan M And still be in the way and still make it worse with your presence.
3 likes"Just as quickly as solutions would arrive, the cave would parry them away" that's a great line, brother.
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idk, they could reroute the exhaust pipes or something
0 likes@Bariois Derplord that'd take alot of pipe to move the exhaust a good distance away to not affect the cave
0 likes@LeMélangedelevurefarineteau probably still cost less than manual labor
1 like@Bariois Derplord Yep, this story is deprived of logic.
0 likes@Piotr Kowalski "surely people will visit my cave now that i dug out all the gravels". the cave sags when 5 people are in it for too long and the entrance is basically a death trap
0 likesI already knew how this ended going in, but the narration + visuals had me thinking... maybe he'll make it this time...
20 likesThanks to Miller for bringing us this story. Heartbreaking
I think I've been subscribed to this channel for about 4 years, and this is my favorite video now. I've already rewatched it as much as Costa Concordia.
25 likesYour storytelling is enthralling.
Keep it up!
Gerald was such a bro. Makes you wonder if he could've gotten Floyd out of he got to him first.
8 likesAmazing story telling. Really puts into perspective time is of the essence when it comes to saving someone. So many interference in the events surrounding Floyd. Also jfc that ending makes my skin crawl. So many people consumed by greed... making a tourist attraction out of a dead person sheesh.
8 likesYou're the only channel I've seen every single video of multiple times, some brilliant storytelling and every video is even more gripping and impressive than the last
10 likesWow dude, your story telling really had me invested. It was both extremely serious yet light-hearted enough to alleviate the downs. Well played sir
3 likesAlways love the directing in these, genuinely impressive
5 likesJust my opinion, not worth much: one of the best YT videos I've seen all year; I've watched it more than once. The balances in the storytelling was damn near perfect. Importantly, the presentation was such that we all didn't realize that we had watched an hour plus video, even though it shows it is. It will be tough to top this one, but I look forward to the future attempts.
10 likesEDIT: I've been a fan since 'Fall of 76' and have watched the other videos as well. They're all good, but this one is by far the best.
The hope I had for Floyd was real…absolute heartbreak when I found that he died. Such a tragic tale but what storytelling!
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Wendigoon is quite the actor, getting stuck in a cave and having his foot amputated at the end of the story. deserves an oscar or whatever the award is
13 likesMan I love you IH, but my intense claustrophobia is making it pretty damn hard to get through this one. Don't know if I'm gonna finish this one, but you have my thumbs up and eternal support lol
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Man, I don't even have claustrophobia and this still makes me squirm at times.
0 likesMy god this is shockingly well made! amazing work
10 likesThis is genuinely the best video you've ever made. You keep getting better and keep tackling more interesting stories, and this is one of the most interesting and compelling stories I've ever heard! I'm so grateful I learned of Floyd!
1 likeI know it doesn't have a physical impact on the poor man, but nobody deserved what he suffered and his story - filled with determination and humanity and surprising heroism - deserves to be told! RIP Floyd! You deserved better!
PS - You make the best commercials. Not just on YT, I mean that entirely.
PPS - Does this make me sound like a butt-kisser? You know what, I don't care. NO REGERTS!
You’re the best channel on this entire website… I’ve never been so hyped to see an ad until your videos thank you for this gem! Amazing story too
3 likesThank you for this video. It made me feel a respectful enthusiasm for adventure and the fates we unknowingly create for ourselves.
2 likesI was already vaguely familiar with what happened to Collins from reading Ted the Caver, but this is the first time I've ever heard the full story. Which is kind of crazy because I've been to Mammoth Cave before.
2 likescrazy. I've heard this story a dozen times but never in so much detail.
1 likeThis video is also the first time I've heard the aftermath, about how he was shoved BACK into the cave as an attraction.
Absolutely entertaining and mind blowing. Kept me watching till the end, which I dont usually.👏👏👏👏👏👏
0 likesI can't imagine myself watching this video till the end, but here am at the end of the video, you guys did great work. Respect,
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I'm at 4:52 so far and the combination of animation, music and the situation itself is giving me legit feelings of anxiety. That situation, even before the light goes out, sounds like one of my worst nightmares. I wouldn't go through a cave like that even if it were floodlight and there were a dozen trained cavers with me and constant communication to the surface but to do it alone.... with a single light... without being able to move your arms and legs, with the weight of the very ground itself pressing on your chest... Holy ** does that sound terrifying.
0 likesJust the slightest bit of hindsight really would have saved this mans life. Even if he was crippled from the accident he could have made a ton of money telling the story
1 likeit's so tragic that the same crowds of people who caused the collapse of the cave that killed him also had his body put up display in the same cave that they killed him in.
1 likethis whole thing is a great allegory for life.
1 likeA deep dark hole you can never escape from.
Constant bitter arguments, everybody acts like they have a plan, but none will ever succeed.
And even in death it's all topped off with cynical soulless exploitation.
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The saddest part is that if they just dug gravel from the start they would've got him out instead of trying plans that never ended up working. Huge respect to all the people who were able to make it down to him though
0 likesI think I discovered a new fear of mine. Thank you Internet Historian, thank you for making me fear the thought of Spelunking
0 likesRIP Floyd.. 🌻
0 likesVery sad, but very well narrated story.👍
For starters, they should have sectioned off a large area, to keep people right away from the cave, and from standing and walking above it.
National guard could have kept guard to enforce it.
His brother did more in those hours, then anybody else did, in over 7 days.
Miller was a legend too.
Respect to him as well.👏👍
This episode is fucking terrifying. I have so much anxiety watching it, I have to stop and take breaks. I love it. :P
1 likeWhen you read a story, you place yourself in the hero position. This time when I heard it for the second time, I will not go through that squeeze.
0 likesI visited this cave 2 years ago. Glad to see you make a video on it.
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So what ever happened to the cave structure Floyd was trying to get to? Was it destroyed in the cave-ins?
0 likesAmazing video as always. Can't wait until your next upload in 4 years time!
0 likesNever had a YouTube video tell me to adjust my brightness like a video game. Amazing production and story telling. Cheers.
0 likesHow do you always do it? ANOTHER amazing video!
0 likesIn fact, you don't miss!
I watched this and had a nightmare about it. That's how you know it's GOOD.
3 likesThis story telling was brilliant.
0 likesmy god i was so gripped that i watched the complete hour of this story without turning my phone away and i forgot about my food
1 likeThe moral of the story: You won’t be trapped in a cave for 60 years if you download World of Tanks
1 likeIts actually pretty cool how many caves are down here. Besides the creek beds, exploring all the little caves is neat. Found plenty of cool rocks and stuff, always bring your knife or your pocket gun out in the woods especially down south.
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Regardless of how much experience or tech you have, if mother nature can take whatever she pleases.
0 likesMy father told me this when he used to be a fisherman.
Seeing Wendigoons face on a dead Floyd's body is high key funny af. I can't stop laughing
0 likesHurt my heart but you did an amazing job making this one.
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What a story. What a story teller!
0 likesIn like 15 years of my internet access i have watched thousands of videos. I can't remember watching a better video than this. I watched this video 3 days ago and come back today to watch it again.
0 likesThis story is crazy and heartbreaking but the entire time I couldn’t stop thinking about how much shit he must’ve had in his pants
0 likesPlease, please , please... keep doing the videos like this or Concordia. I understand it's hard, but so worth it for us... me. I really hope you are making a ton of money
0 likesso I listened to this as background noise to fall asleep and here I am finishing the video cause it was so damn suspenseful it is a crazy story
0 likesStill watching this story unfold, but man, knowing that rhabdomyolysis is a thing, I feel sad whenever the characters gain a new sliver of hope
0 likesTruly a tragic story. And so morbid towards the end of the video.
0 likesI don't mean to be "that guy" either, but it strikes me that they should have had the three guys who were able to squeeze through the tunnel work in shifts to remove debris instead of coming up with elaborate plans while leaving him trapped and dying for that long.
But of course it's impossible to put yourself in that position, in that time period without sounding like a knowitall armchair general.
I love how as a DM I can recognize almost all of the ambiance music he uses
0 likesSo if they had stuck to the original plan of moving rocks out of the way by hand and just swapping out guys when they got tired, could that have worked or was there too much gravel waiting to fall down?
0 likesAbsolutely spectacular video, audio was phenomenal.
0 likesI have loved all your videos for years, but man, I made it 5 minutes into this before I couldn't watch anymore. Guess I'll wait another year for the next video.
0 likes1:06:30 idk why but how those bloodhounds move is hilarious to me
2 likesOne of the titles for the books you did citatitions on was spoiling the end but overall good.
1 likeYou're a great storyteller.
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Though he isn't one for the facts unfortunately. Had to create 50 minute video just to show the major shit he got wrong.
0 likesI now have a fear of caves and 12 different kinds of claustrophobia.
1 likeWow. Helluva story well told. Wish you’d left out the little bit of cussing, would like to show my kids.
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First video of the channel, quality of content so high I am already recommending this to everybody
0 likesLoved that you used the ost for Deadly premonition <3
0 likesSeeing Historian's mouth moving is definitely uncanny
0 likesInsane production. Very good!
0 likesIf only Homer said "What I can stand, I can stand no more! I'm gonna get you out of there myself!" And started digging directly down in the first place, then we'd probably have a happy conclusion.
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Digging through solid rock and boulders...I'm sure that would've worked great and totally possible for one man to do within a decent timeframe lol
0 likesI find it kind of funny that internet historian has really moved away from internet events despite his name, I mean this video was fantastic and all that, I'm not complaining just an observation
0 likesThis was so good I came back to watch it again
0 likesAdding the Medal of Honor theme was just wonderful 👌
0 likeson my fifth rewatch the wiring of the breathing monitor sounds a bit too scetchy for me.
0 likesespecially when he died around the time the bulb went out.
they most likely electricuted that guy!
I just love your voice , the documentary is so well made, wow.
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cinematically yes, but in terms of history? It's shit.
0 likes@C Porter really here at an entertainment channel to learn history? C'mon man...
0 likesWhen people started using conspiracy theories to discredit this whole operation, I thought, "glad to see people are still morons".
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Honestly if it was between dying in the cave and losing a foot, I'd lose a foot. Had he survived i think when he got to a hospital they would just cut it off.
0 likesSo was the sand cave ever opened the way Floyd wanted to?
0 likesYour music cues are brilliant, +1 for MOHAA menu music
1 likeHow can any of you watch this??? It's super interesting and I'm sure it's an amazing story, but this is unbearable to watch. The stress of being stuck in a hole like that is way too much for me.
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Ok, nvm. It gets better after like 5 minutes.
0 likesthe whole time i imagined floyd with the face of keanu reeves
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2 likesThe first time a youtube video legitimately broke my heart
“No more 45 Minute videos”
0 likes-internet historian “cost of Concordia”
I’m trapped in a glass box of my emotions!
0 likesI've totally lost it when Elon's machinery left.
0 likesKinda reminds me of an experience I had working at a paintball site, tho not nearly as severe tho. There was this bridge over an 8ft gorge and this girl fell through the bridge. I had the common sense to go under the bridge and check that when I pulled her up, I wasn't gonna be impaling her with the splintered planks
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Good move. Sometimes people rush to rescue someone without thinking things through first, and that could actually put them in more danger.
0 likes@Seth M-T I should add as well that she was actually in the bridge, stuck at about chest height. That's why I was mindful about checking the damage before pulling her up.
0 likes41:40 ik that was a hard call but seriously, i would have done the same, at some point you gotta say: every man for that themselves
0 likesNow what I don’t understand… is why you don’t first widen the squeeze before going further. Obvious tourists are not going to go through the squeeze, so what’s the point of working on the next opening until the first is widened.
0 likesI get that he wanted to get in this new room, but it seems like he already knew what was in there, but just had to make it accessible.
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25:25 this part scared tf outta me lol
0 likesMan , do more like this video, pls )))
0 likesWhy do people go into caves like this? It's insane.
0 likesTop tier story telling 🎉
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Crazy. Amazing yet terrifying story
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Thank you for that video it was really really good c:
0 likesIk this is supposed to be comedic in nature, but i cant help it, this is the saddest shit iv ever heard... so much effort went to saving this man, all for him to still pass away, shit is just sad
0 likes41:26 That moment had hit me hard ...
0 likesI love the dubs for the people. all those bored voices in those situations lmao
0 likesDamn if they gave gerald some speed or used some pullies they might of got him
0 likesIf only tourists actually helped Floyd instead od wasting air...
0 likesWendigoon’s got the look like at least it ain’t the back rooms
0 likesI appreciate the background people outside is just the cast of peaky blinders copy and pasted over and over again. I love it.
0 likesi mean if you’re knocking about in small caves then you’re gonna get stuck in a cave pal
0 likesOh! Would you look at that. You managed to be faster than michael reevees
0 likesI have horrible claustrophobia, and I don't think I've ever been more anxious than I was watching this. Then I cried. Then I got really pissed. Then I was relieved. What a journey. Also, fuck people, but yay to the National Park Service.
1 like24:24 snuck in some Outer Wilds music there! :)
0 likesI fell asleep to this. Waking up I found that the same dialogue was being remarked amongst my ears, for the hour, it seemed nothing, dialectect was resolved.
0 likesGood god, I thought, what a boring, viewing, hour.
4 minutes in and i already personally feel claustrophobic and physical discomfort.....
0 likesFun fact: ACE IN THE HOLE was based of this. Kurt Douglas.
0 likes20:28 is Miller played by the guy that does the Ordinary things show lol? Didn't know these channels collaborated
0 likesI now have a new stop to make once time travel is invented
0 likesInternet historian is pivoting into “viral event” historian. Awesome!
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I feel IH would make a perfect video for what happened with alex jones
1 likeDon’t watch this at 4am if you plan on going to bed…
0 likesIs IH going to have an In the Field episode with Wendigoon?
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The Internet Historian is the definitive History Channel
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another masterpiece
0 likesI watched this whole story just for him to die? I thought he was gonna make it
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Watching this after reading the Enigma of Amigara Fault
1 likethanks for the panic attack dude 👍
0 likesInternet historian has become regular historian
2 likesThe World of Tanks ad... I genuinely can't believe you get paid to make these but I envy you
0 likesI really enjoyed the video, but I don't understand how it fits into being "Internet" History.
0 likesI wonder how many times Floyd pooped in his pants while he was stuck down there.
0 likesAmazing video and story with know about this story before
0 likesThis 🤣
0 likesWas 🤣
Fucking 🤣
AMAZING 🤣
Rusty cage! Hell yeah dude
0 likesReminds me of the guy who died in the nutty putty cave.
0 likespeaky blinders as an audience is a fancy touch.
1 likeNice touch using Elden Ring soundtrack at 45:45
0 likesMios dio I was between laughing and crying the entire time
0 likes48:34 wild
0 likes49:32 creeper aww man
Great Video, heart touching video mate, but damn those Ads. I‘ve lost count.
0 likesInternet historian becomes… normal historian
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This shit made me panic just hearing about it :O fucking hell
0 likesHoly shit! 🤣 @1:05:05
1 likeAw man… poor guy…
0 likesI hate this all of this. U give me a big hope that Floyd would survive and see the light but no. Not only that the disrespect that the people did to him after he was dead just got me furious.
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2 likesWow awesome story
0 likesMost intense vid yet.
0 likesReally nice story. Welp. See you guys in 2023.
0 likesjust awful! poor floyd, he wanted to open an attraction but became one instead.
0 likesSo many people were adamant about finding a solution, but nobody actually wanted to do anything about it. Sounds like Reddit
1 likeWhat scares me is that completely irrational "pull" that unreachable places have on us. I'm sure on some level Floyd only wanted an excuse to go in there. Every thinking part of your brain yells "GTFO" but theres a force outside of you pulling you in. The Junji Ito story captures this fear flawlessly. The hole was Floyd's.
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Damn that is a sick way to connect the stories. Didn't even think about it but it just makes so much sense now!
28 likesI once planted a garden, quarantine hit and my garden became a hole , then a hole with a small crawl space in it. There is something about digging down.
17 likesIt’s like the call of the void when people just have bizarre thoughts who knows what goes on in our brain
3 likesbrah i was thinking about amigahara fault junji itos story the whole first half it is gut wrenching
3 likesIt is a hole made only for floyd and it didn't want to let go...
11 likesI watched this while waiting for my mates to played a round of the game GTFO, where you get send into a gigantic hole. No joke.
3 likesBeing poor as fuck as growing up in a place where his only other option was farm work played a role.
1 likeyeah man the feeling when you know that you shouldn’t be doing this and you can get killed by it or badly injured but You just had to do it Because of that Weird feeling
1 like@anto karman It was made for him.
0 likesThe unconquerable feeling of "I must know".
0 likesThis is the kind of story to tell those who believe there was any hope for mankind before the internet. Those mobs and tourists were every bit as stupid and frustrating to deal with as the people on social media are today. The major difference is that nowadays they get more exposure.
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Exactly… people don’t change
44 likesTotally. There was more than one moment in the video I thought "Oh, that's 100% what would have been posted on Reddit"
27 likes@cam the spectators would flock to Reddit and post stories about how they were traumatized by the event and how they nearly died from going 10 feet into the cave
0 likesI mean you literally just got done watching a youtube video that capitalized on his death to advertise some tank game. Don't act like youtubers are better
2 likes@AdrenalineHigh 1. it’s documentation. i didn’t pay anything and now i’m educated in depth about this event. 2. it’s a youtube ad. it’s what gets the videos done. it doesn’t take a smart guy to see the difference between this video and all of the attention seekers that tried to profit off of a man in dire need of help.
7 likes@AdrenalineHigh It's no different than if you watched this on TV and there was a commercial break.
2 likesCouldn't agree more, as soon as the conspiracy theorists started their spiel about "what's REALLY going on", I was like...yep, that sounds about right. Some people just HAVE to feel smart by being a contrarian. I bet some still clung onto those theories even after his death.
0 likesDamn, not only did Collins get practically murdered by sensationalism, it also sought to torture him for decades after his death.
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Well I mean the diggers only came cause of the coverage lol, they almost saved him didn’t you watch the video, they were never gonna get him out the other way
6 likes@Leon Connelly Save for the massive influx of gawkers hastening the structural collapse of the cave.
14 likesComplex situation, really.
@Leon Connelly We saw the video. If not for gawkers and their stupid campfires and rumbling he could've survived.
14 likes@Leon Connelly the mass is a dish 📡 transmiting noise threw hype. They are tools.
0 likes@Leon Connelly It's true that it didn't just bring bad things with it. However, the diggers wouldn't have been necessary in the first place if the cave hadn't collapsed due to the hundreds of people there. When I say sensationalism, I don't mean the sympathy that can arouse within a lot of people when hearing a dramatic story, but the hundreds of people that came just to stand there and say 'Oh this is so horrible! SOMEONE has to do something about this!" (aka the gawkers), while causing snow to melt and drip down to him (Which was his cause of death) and the stability of the cave to deteriorate, ultimately causing the cave-in just when he was about to be saved.
1 likeMy favorite scene was the introduction of the Dentist Thomas. That dude did the kind of thing that you would expect the first victim of a horror movie to do. That's the kind of disrespect that warrants a haunting or a curse or something. I don't know how he could open a business like that and not have nightmares haunt him for the rest of his life. Pure madness.
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The want of money is the root of all evil.
34 likesIt's really amazing how sick some people are.
45 likesIf I find his grave, I'm pissing on it in the Collins' honor.
0 likesI've met a few people in my life with borderline sociopathic behavior simular to thomas and I swear it's like trying to communicate with ai
44 likesIt's funny how people decided to make a buck not too long ago, much less spend their time and money at the time considering whatever else people had to worry about back then. Floyd spent all that effort and risk to try and get a tourist trap going to make a living and his father essentially sells everything he had to his name to a dentist that would prop up Floyd's corpse to get that same tourist trap eventually.
0 likes@stan jones Most people on top are worse.
5 likes@stan jones psychopaths are barely even people
0 likes"he's dead now, let's call it even"
11 likesIt was the 1920s! It was socially acceptable back then. This is hardly the worst case of corpse tourism you had back in the old days.
4 likes@Rawhide Kobayashi Thats not an excuse, racism may be of the time but not blatant inhuman psychopath behavior
2 likesCapitalism.
2 likes@Niko Europeans used to snort the corpses of Mummies. Yes. Yes it was of the time. Like Kobayashi said, it was a different time
0 likes@Niko they were different times, you'd be shocked at the sick shit people did back in the day
0 likes@Niko it's not an excuse, it's history. morals are arbitrary and change with society. once upon a time, ritual human sacrifice and cannibalism were considered normal too.
0 likesit's not like we've stopped putting bodies on display in the interim, either. they just haven't been acquired through public grave-robbing... in the west.. usually.
@Rawhide Kobayashi western concepts of morality have been pretty stable in the large scale, back then I garuntee that it was viewed in a negative light, your nihilism is not as nuanced as you might think, relativism doesn't remove the validity of the subject morality you might have. Even in this case, it applies to the morality of the time I'm sure.
2 likes@Niko it does remove the validity of your subjective morality when looking back on a time you can't even begin to comprehend. even with alien societies in the current time.
0 likesthe entirety of recorded history hardly even counts as a "large scale", but even within it there are countless instances of cannibalistic societies. you can project all you want, but meat is meat. and meat is absolutely delicious. it's only your self imposed chains of propriety telling you otherwise.
@Rawhide Kobayashi who says I can't comprehend this exactly, why should it matter that animalistic cannibals exist, should that affect my view of my own philosophy? No, I will continue to perceive reality as it is and promote my philosophy, nihilism is such a lazy self defeating way of thinking. Things being subjective doesn't mean that they lack validity. If the norm of the time was to crush children's heads in with rocks, why should I be so understanding as to judge them on their own morality, as if that matters to me or should matter?
1 like@Rawhide Kobayashi I don't even know why you brought up cannibalism, I don't even care about that at all
0 likesFetal Alchohol Syndrome was common those days. Common reason for sociopathic behavior.
0 likes@Niko I don't even know why you brought up nihilism, I don't even care about that at all.
0 likesYour "philosophy" sounds like bullying and name calling our ancestors instead of trying to understand the socioeconomic circumstances that lead them to their behavioral patterns. Which, to the point, cannibalism is probably the most reviled act among modern westernized humans, but it makes perfect sense if you're a paleolithic tribe! It's the fastest way to dispose of a body in a way that doesn't attract predators to your area, it gives you valuable calories, and it tastes damn good too!
I’m pretty sure when everyone heard historian say “he was dead” their hearts sank
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Held out hope but damn.
72 likesAbsolutely
17 likesI’ve never felt so bad for a guy that died 100 years ago
67 likesUnless you knew how it ended before you started it, then you were just sad the whole time.
20 likes@aze chase Yeh as someone whos re-read Ted the Caver like 3 times, the minute I saw the cave in and that his name was Floyd it was :(
3 likesSpoilers
5 likesCorrect, when I heard that line, my heart sank lower than the Titanic
1 like@Andy Nonymous why are you in the comments when you haven't finished the video?
12 likesWell one of the sources quoted at the bottom of the screen just before the reveal was "The Life & Death of Floyd Collins"
1 likeGotta admit, I was never so tense, let alone from a story about some cave explorer back in 1925
2 likesI was really hoping for the happy ending
1 likeYep.
0 likesGotta admit that I was hopeful for the whole time, and once I heard that phrase I became heartbroken in a fraction of a second.
1 likeGreat line delivery right there
@Abyssal Boy Even that's not much of a spoiler because he would've died eventually by now, so a biography's title about someone over a century ago still doesn't reveal whether or not he lived though this particular experience
5 likes@U. Flame lol that’s a stretch
1 like@xeagaort A stretch that someone who lived over a century ago would die of old age by now?
2 likes@U. Flame look dude if you wanna be a bimbo atleast fight about it. drop location you damn fool lol
0 likesSame.
0 likesnot knowing in advance the story, this was a heartbreak
0 likes@Aidin Alimsyah because the video was released like 2 hours ago
0 likes@Aidin Alimsyah Eh, same here. I shouldn't read them alongside the video, but I sometimes do it when he does his ad part. Well, that's life.
0 likesYeehaw I’m ready for this
0 likesI am from Barren County where Cave City is located, and I've learned a lot about the cave system in general. My sister worked for a local cave named Diamond Caverns as a tour guide, and she was required to learn about the Cave Wars. To this day caves are still being discovered on local farms. I actually went to his father's house which is still standing, and they have the entrance to Sand Cave (which is down in the woods next to the house) locked behind a door.
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Thank you President Reagan
37 likesomg ronald reagan
8 likesI hope the find that Grotto that Floyd supposedly reported. For all of the effort be put in, it had to have been spectacular.
4 likesIm from barren county as well and fly helicopters and small planes out of Moore field in Glasgow. If you fly over the country side you can see hundreds of the sinkholes formed by underground cave in’s all over the landscape. Most farmers push their brush piles and dead holes into them but, infamously, if you’re unlucky enough, you get one that swallows 7 corvettes.
2 likes@Amygdala the reporter guy went back with scientists and reporters to find it and it was apparently very impressing. i can't find pictures and all the information i could find was either in a book i couldn't find online or behind a paywall in a newspaper's archive
4 likesI’ve been to the Diamond Cavern, I learned about the Cave Wars there.
3 likesAnd I knew Floyd’s story before my visit.
As dangerous as this was I REALLY expected that beautiful part of the cave to be opened to the public in the dead man's honor
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It did there was a comment about that
9 likesThe story of Floyd Collins' entrapment in the cave system as well as the effort to rescue him was detailed by the YouTuber "Internet Historian" in a video entitled "Man in Cave" on September 29, 2022.[14]
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Unfortunately someone said this:
5 likesRevision as of 18:19, 30 September 2022
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I liked how the video was decisively serious in tone, but still managed to squeeze in a few jokes here and there, without being disrespectful to the whole ordeal. I loved it.
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thats how all of his videos are
0 likes@what Not really, most of his videos are more on the joke side, this one has a completely different tone
4 likesMeh, Internet Historian will probably dead in a hundred years. So we're probably even.
6 likes"Floyd would never have been there if he had World of Tanks." Yeah, real respectful.
3 likesThe comedy works because the whole debacle already kinda sounds like something ripped straight out of a dark comedy, what the with the actual fair dedicated to a man trapped under a cave. Life can stranger than fiction, I guess
1 likeHaving known NOTHING about this story before today (I recall vaguely hearing about some famous guy trapped in a cave, but nothing beyond that), I felt absolutely enthralled by this.
135 likesI can't possibly imagine the horror of dying down there in that dark abyss, knowing that they were desperately trying to get to you, but cut off from them regardless. I can only hope he was at least so far gone that it wasn't painful, that he just drifted into unconsciousness one last time, and that was it.
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i do remember the story of the guy who was stuck in the cave for like 72 hours and had to get his arm amputated to free himself, but he survived, and i thought it was that story at first
3 likesIt’s the Nutty Putty cave one.
0 likesMore like 127 hours
0 likesI think the suffering of being alive down there, being unable to move a muscle, hungry, thirsty in pain and laying there in your own filth and shit is worse than dying at that point.
4 likeshonestly this was a amazing video, but at 25:52 with the whole lucid dream thing? Absolutely terrifying, it was so good
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Very Spooky stuff
11 likesCold water, a claustrophobic man’s nightmare scenario, and sharp pains everywhere
5 likesI’d honestly would have to be checked into a mental hospital at that point
song during that scene?
1 like@Madchaser26 Teeth and leaves by Tobias Liljia
2 likes@Korhol He was trapped in a cold damp hell
1 likeyeah that was seriously amazing
3 likesI know Internet Historian uploads like once every 6 months but goddamn every time he uploads it's a masterpiece. He successfully gave me crippling claustrophobia that I didn't have before! Awesome video!
84 likesWow. As an european, I haven't heard this story before and I had no clue if Floyd would ever come out alive. It seemed so hopeless and people still kept trying. Not knowing if he survived really intensified the storytelling and highlighted the desperation of the situation.
286 likesSo anxiety inducing and still close to nothing compared to what Floyd went through. Poor man.
What a great video. I really like this direction the channel is going, well done to everyone helping with this project!
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Isn't all for nothing, it was a first also a test of what is possible and test limit of people.
2 likesEven if the situation is uncommon, it isn't unreasonable, take out the cave and put a collapsed building for example, now since we have a parameter of what to do or what could be done we learned how to act faster how much is a risk.
till someone puts them back in the cave 2024 dun dun dun
0 likesWhat is wild, is that I work at Mammoth Cave National Park. I walked to Sand Cave all the time. I tell Floyd's story all the time while doing tours at the cave.
367 likesBefore going into Crystal Cave, which Floyd found and operated as a "show cave". I visit Floyd's grave and ask for permission and his blessing to go in.
This is common amongst all cavers that visited Floyd Collin's Crystal Cave. He is held in high regard at Mammoth Cave and the surrounding area, including "Cave City" lmao.
It is a beautiful retelling of the story. I appreciate the research and work gone into this Internet Historian. Though there were some errors in the story, it doesn't overshadow how well this was done.
This will forever be my favorite video on YouTube ❤
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Thats cool.
6 likesHow far into the Sand Cave is not blocked off?
2 likes@Attigator There is a "Bat Gate" located across the entrance of the cave. It is to allow bats and other wildlife into the cave, but keep people out.
27 likesThese are located on lots of caves through the park.
Do you know, was there a money cave to be found? Or was it just all a tight crevasse? I've searched around and even found they did new excavation in the 80s, but it didn't seem like they went past where Floyd was.
8 likes@boochparadise Floyd did find another bigger passageway on the other side of the tight crevasse.
33 likesThough no trips go into Sand Cave, due to the tragedy of the events. Along with it just being a dangerous cave.
The whole reason it is called 'Sand Cave' is because the whole top portion of the cave is Sandstone rock. In comparison to Limestone caves, Sandstone caves are very unstable and very likely to collapses.
@Q Thank you for the answer.
3 likesAll this is really good info, thanks for taking care of a cool place. :-)
4 likesCan you mention some of the errors in the history?
4 likesYeah, um, sorry to bother ya my man but can you point some errors IH made so I can have an clear picture?
2 likesWhat kind of errors?
1 like@Rafael 'Fig' Figueiredo One of the major errors is about Sand Cave itself.
3 likesFloyd never owned Sand Cave, the land was owned by Bee Doyle (mentioned in the video).
Floyd owned what was called Crystal Cave, it was on his family property. He found that cave in 1917, build up the trails and operated it from there on out.
The reason he went to Sand Cave is to get closer to the main road. Crystal Cave had terrible gravel roads and far off the main road. So Floyd cut a deal with Bee Doyle to explore through Sand Cave and cut a deal 50/50 to make it a "show cave".
After the tragedy, Floyd would be laid to rest on the family land. Then later put into Crystal Cave for display, not Sand Cave.
There were other errors, but that was the main one.
@Megalogo Sand Cave and Crystal Cave, which you see pictures of signs in the video, are two separate caves. Not one singular cave with inchanging names.
2 likesFloyd would be put on display in Crystal Cave, not Sand Cave.
Crystal Cave was on Floyd's family property, while Sand Cave was owned by Bee Doyle.
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the recounting of events from one of carmichael’s men and his final interactions with floyd is one of the most heartbreaking things i have ever heard. thank you for making this video and humanizing a man who was dehumanized for so long.
251 likesThat point in which homer gains the strength to beat 5 other men in a rope pulling contest is just one of those moments where people gain super human strength in a time of need
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Adrenaline?
11 likes@i didn't mean to shoot that vietnamese farmer but- hysteric strength
21 likes@Valhalan guardsman As a guardsman you should know it is heroic strength
7 likesyassss hunty you betta werk ma'am
4 likesAdrenaline and Strength. Also his mindset definitely. If he hears his own Brother getting Tortured that way then of course he will give everything to make sure that the other Rope Pullers stop
16 likesthat's 1 factor, and another one is odds are homer pulled when the others 5 relaxed which is prolly how he beats 5 men
0 likes@i didn't mean to shoot that vietnamese farmer but- And your brain literally telling your nerves to shut up while you strain your muscles and joints beyond their limits, the body is such a wonderful system.
7 likesI am simultaneously inspired and disgusted at humanity from this story.
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While it takes hundreds of people to make you feel disgusted, it only takes a few to inspire you.
47 likes@Jeff Bezos without the pesos yup this about sums it up. Most the people in the story sucked and I wouldn't even share a glass of water with them. For the people who actually had the balls to help and try and save the man's life before the story blew up, they are inspiring. For the people who did it because they were paid to at the end when the government got involved I'll respect the effort and they don't disgust me. Those gawkers and everyone else, especially the father, horrible people that disgust me.
23 likesIt's not even the people who went in and then baulked at the sight of "the squeeze" that disgust me, I get that - it's simple fear and self-preservation. It's all the people who literally just stood around gossiping when all it would have taken was two or three guys working in relays to clear the rubble around him.
24 likes@Jeff Bezos without the pesos no it can still take one to disgust me
0 likes@Bruhism So one persons actions can make you condemn the enture hunan race?
5 likesThat sounds like a you problem, bruh.
@Jeff Bezos without the pesos no, but it makes me disgusted what humans can do, this works either way, a man can do horrible things and make me hate humanity, or one make can do a great thing and make me have hope for humanity.
0 likesIt is what it is.
6 likesThere's always 2 sides of humanity.
@Incurable Romantic That and if they'd gotten stuck, they would just be another obstacle to clear/waste time on.
1 likeIt's always a choice, you can be either one of those parts of humanity
3 likesMouth is big but I bet yall do the same like the rest of them especially in this narcissistic society
0 likesThis story 100% just crystallises humanity. The vast majority of good honest people doing everything they can to rescue 1 person. And then the minority of psychopaths who ruin it and exploit it.
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The majority was standing around doing nothing and mostly just making things worse by ignoring common sense. A small minority was trying to help him, some because they were genuinely great people, some for profit or publicity and such. And another small minority of psychopaths then profited off their failure.
20 likesthe power of spectacle
1 likeThe sad part is that those psychopaths tend to get what they want or at least get off scot free doing what they did.
0 likesSeems to me that the "psychos" outnumbered the "good people" here, and calling that psychopathic behavior is a stretch; it wasn't lack of empathy what drove those idiotic masses to worsen things, it was pure stupidity, ignorance, arrogance, greed and even disbelief in some cases. They weren't mentally ill, just mentally dumb. Anyways, good/bad people is such a childish construct to begin with, when such large numbers of people gather lots of curious idiots can be spotted among the very few actually helping, the rest is part of a narrative in your head created from a re-telling of events from decades ago. Chill
3 likesThe vast majority don't do everything they can - they're a minority too.
0 likesThe majority tend to stand around, do nothing but be full of opinions.
And that 1 person doing something insanely stupid requiring a bunch of people to fix his mess. What a stupid hobby.
0 likesThe vast majority of people were ignorant idiots that weren't there to help Floyd, but to entertain themselves through arguments and by gawking. Others were just straight up parasites that were profiting off the story like those who set up the carnival or that dentist. The efforts of the very small minority that legitimately tried to help Collins were destroyed by these people.
0 likesThis story just shows how shitty most people are. I'm left even more depressed now after watching this.
actually id say the vast majority were clueless bystanders who made things worse without knowing it, wich is also accurate of humanity
0 likesThe part where people had the right intentions but melted the cave entrance due to ignorance also reflects humanity
0 likes@Obi the BEEF You clearly are a child if you're thinking that way.
0 likesThere's a sense of morbid irony in the idea that Floyd worked in that cave to unearth an attraction, only to become one himself.
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You are what you dig
2 likesWe live amongst humanity.
0 likesI reached the part where they found his body and I honestly found myself close to tears, I was so invested in this... It's so sad and tragic
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Honestly same, I can only imagine what he went through in those last few hours alone, I just hope it was peaceful. He died knowing he had people who loved him and would risk their life for him and I think that’s what we all want in our final moments
32 likesSame I still feel some weird sunken feeling I'm my chest
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1 likeSame.. I expected his death through the whole video until it actually happened. It is amazing on its own how long he survived. Definitely gutted When he was found dead.
7 likesI currently live in Kentucky. I moved here a couple years ago when I went to college. My fiancee took me to Mammoth cave a year ago and I remember our guide telling us about this story. I swear to God those caves are terrifying. Especially in the dark. Our guide turned the light off at one point to give us a perspective of how bad it would be to be stuck. This situation is an absolute nightmare.
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yeah they did that to me in the great saltpeter cave at night when someone let us in and they didn't have the lights on. it's a showcave so there's normally lights on and it's not very big, despite that I couldn't find my way to the next passage but it was really fun trying.
3 likeshave you been to rockcastle county? or karstorama?
Mammoth cave is great but there's some real awesome ones there
@Sven Kortjohn I haven't been there before. I just did some research on it and it seems like a fun experience. I'll have to let my fiancee know and we can plan a trip there
1 likeMfw I am literally a cavern tour guide who tells the story of Floyd Collins every single day at work
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How small spaces do you squeeze through?
16 likes@Liquessen ask your mom
0 likesThis man boutta destroy your career
15 likesHow accurate was the story?
6 likesTHE- THERE'S NO IMAGE ATTACHED! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR FACE LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU ARE LITERALLY A CAVERN TOUR GUIDE WHO TELLS THE STORY OF FLOYD COLLINS EVERY SINGLE DAY AT WORK OH GOD IF ONLY WE WERE ACTUALLY ON DA CHANS THE HUMANITY
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This was an incredibly well-done retelling of the story. It's incredible seeing how commonplace it was at the time to turn every tragedy into a tourist trap, or display literal corpses like props. I'm glad that Floyd was able to be put to rest, even if it was 60 years too late.
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They still do the same thing on that death trap ruined by tourists called Mount Everest. There are quite a lot of bodies strewn along the trails. It's an extremely dangerous and overrated climb that attracts amateurs that have no business on an over 8000 meter high mountain. 311 deaths so far and counting
1 likeunfortunately, still to this day it's rather common. Afaik "Sylvester the Mummy" and Marie “Mummy” O'Day are still on display somewhere in the US, together with 1000's of mummies and corpses dug up by archeologists.
1 likeUnfortunately many bodily remains don't get the peace they deserve, and are instead turned into sideshows for tourists
@Der Süddeutsche Sumpf Oh, yeah-- I remember learning that its gotten to the point where some of the bodies are literally used as location markers to tell where you are. One of them was called "Rainbow guy" or something because of the colorful garments he had
0 likes@Mailio Honestly, I hadn't even considered the mummies.. I do often forget how many institutions abused and pillaged burial sites for research. If possible, the ones taken unethically should be returned, but that's like.. Not happening
0 likesI miss this America 🇺🇸
0 likesWhat makes this story even sadder is they were so close to getting him out. I think if that cave in happened a day or two later they genuinely could have gotten that rock off his leg. Its a shame honestly
95 likes1. The rope pull scene from Floyd’s perspective is the most terrifying thing I’ve ever seen.
181 likes2. Great voice acting all around; seriously it’s just perfect.
I physically gasped, covered my mouth, and began to weep when the news of Floyd's status were revealed.
203 likesSo tragic that the cave would take him like that.
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Remember that the last time he saw someone, it was before the cave in. I just hope that he could have known the effort so many people were still making to save him. That they didn't give up on him.
35 likesHaha no you didn't
5 likes@Tubuxis thats awful to say, don't say that just cause you dont have as much empathy for him
3 likes@Evan Getz its not an awful thing to say
0 likesi seriously doubt this mf WEEPED from this video unless theyre 12 years old
Youtube REALLY wanted me to click on this video.
0 likesAppreciation for Gerald the childhood friend, dude literally carried the whole team and Floyd to a bit more hope.
110 likesI remember reading about this in 4th grade
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I've never had a story that made my skin crawl and my chest tighten more than this one. Talk about being in between a rock and a hard place
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Look up the Nutty Putty Cave incident sometime.
14 likesDon't read my name.
0 likes@Alan Stringer I was gonna say.
3 likesArghargargahrgar
0 likesMe when I didn't even watch the video before commenting
3 likes@Alan Stringer that one was also horrifying
2 likesYou didn't even watch it.
0 likes@Alan Stringer That's what I thought this was gonna be about when I clicked on it
1 likeYou should check out the channel Caveman Hikes, they take the cameras into legit squezzes
2 likes@GefilteFish it's been done before. don't have to have watched this video to know the story, mate.
0 likes@Alan Stringer beat me to it, we're cruel lol
1 likeSame just listening to the story made me feel intense
0 likes@Chris M Nice! I was just thinking that I didn't have enough anxiety in my life.
0 likeswhats worse about collin his after his death the dentist exploite his dead body for money then some robbers stole his body and toss hit into a cliff
0 likesThat Sims 1 build music at the end tho.
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I had never heard this story before. I wanted so desperately for him to leave alive.
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watch "Ace in the hole" movie based on this incident but a bit different story.....
0 likesIkr 😫🥺
0 likesMilller was probably my favorite character, he is like, the complete opposite of modern Journalism, what journalism should be. I’m not saying they should risk their lives, but they should report on things to educate people, not to find bad news and profit by making it sound worse.
234 likesHe started out wanting to find a story for his company, to gain fame, but he genuinely wanted to help and was dedicated, what a great guy
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Yes I found it incredible that he ended up being one of the main rescuers.
9 likesthere were huge sections in this video about how the journalism of the day sensationalized the story and didn't fact check the people trying to make it seem like a hoax, and then had to retract their articles about it. i'm just saying that saying he's "the complete opposite of modern journalism" makes it sound like back then journalism was great, and now it's bad, rather than that there's always been issues with sensationalism and/or dishonesty in the media, and there have also always been journalists who have real passion and integrity too.
14 likes@JF F 100%
0 likes@JF F Yeah, okay, but where are the journalists with integrity these days?
2 likes@Soitisisit they're writing articles that don't get popular enough to be seen (or for publications which aren't popular enough), or are not interesting enough
4 likes@Soitisisit Do you think there are literally 0 journalists with integrity?
0 likesGood to know Twitter was just as terrible back then, as it is now.
1 likeit's giving Magnus Archives
0 likesHoly crap, those early parts describing squeezing into the cave made me feel extremely tense and uncomfortable and I was like 'well okay, that sucked, but it'll be over soon cause Floyd will come back out of the cave! 14 friggin' days later Nooo! You can't tell a story about a cave rescue where the person wasn't rescued! You added to my anxiety-load with all that talk of squeezing into into a deep dark hole in the ground and getting trapped and then failed to remove it by telling me how he was finally freed and rescued from the cave to live happily ever after.
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look up Nutty Putty
13 likesGravely upsetting. I will not sleep tonight.
6 likesIt really sucks that he didn't made it out
7 likes@行屍走肉 what is that
1 like@JayImHere he’s probably still alive let’s get him out!
2 likes@JayImHere but fr I’m 58 mins in why tf did I have to read this why comment it mannnn 😂
1 like@Rust rug skin the nutty putty cave was a similar incident. but in more modern times. there's actually, an upsetting amount of trapped in cave stories that don't end well. which is why I don't think I'd ever go caving.
2 likes@41Haiku same, if I were smarter I would've just read the comments first.
0 likesThis is the ONLY video on YouTube that made me feel my heart pulse out of stress. God bless those miners , volonteers and the press who published his story.
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I recommend you give "The Battle of May Island" by Fredrik Knudsen a try. Very similar video to this one in quality by a very similar creator. He's the guy behind Down the Rabbit Hole, has been creating content like Internet Historian's for years. The Battle of May Island video gave me an extremely similar feeling of dread that this video did, even worse than this one in fact. Only bad part is that the first bit of May Island video is real boring.
12 likessame when it was revealed that floyd was dead i started to cry
9 likesthere's a channel called Mr Ballen that does story telling videos like this at a very high level, would recommend
1 like@circa Even already knowing he didn't survive it still stressed me out.
1 likeDidn't know about the epilogue though.
@seazein Fredrik and IH are good friends, so it only makes sense they’d take some inspiration from each other.
0 likesDuring the past 5 days there was no way I could get this story out of my head. My guts wretch, my heart shatter thinking about what Floyd went through, all this time alive down there, about Omar who lived all this time with the fear of losing his brother, unable to do something, desperately trying to get floyd out. This Is absolutely terrifying
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mate the same I keep thinking of him alone in that cave... the only solace I can take is that its been 100 years and everyone associated is dead but still I keep thinking hes down there.
13 likes@OldBoyEngineer don’t look into the nutty putty cave, in that case.
11 likesSame here. And I watched this after waking up randomly at 3 am and after couldn't sleep, I just turned on the TV and youtube. And I was like this the whole time O.O
3 likes@rrpostalagain nutty putty cave at least had him die faster. Floyd here suffered for days and days on end, constantly with hope to believe he could be saved. He was not.
13 likes@Xianxia yeah I couldn’t imagine laying in my own feces and pee cold and hopeless for 98 hours
0 likesOmar or Homer?
2 likesmy poor dad is sick of hearing me talk to him about this story. "I can't believe it, the reporter actually made it to him dad!" Meanwhile man's just trying to do his own thing nodding along to me hahahah
0 likesActually insane how every time they saw progress, someone would decide on an entirely new plan.
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It was probably hard to agree on whether what had happened had actually been progress or not.
3 likesBut yes, trough the entire first 1-2 weeks I was left wondering why there wasn't just always someone digging trough the gravel in hopes that they might empty it out eventually.
Days of talking and then eventually resorting to the first solution and it worked until only the large rock was left.
Also that it took so long before someone came around that actually had knowledge about structural integrity, even the men who didn't go trough the squeeze could have spent the first week generally widening the way into the turnaround and stabilizing it with wooden pillars.
I assume it was because anyone hearing about it the first two weeks would always assume that the rescue was just about to be finished, but it's wild how long it took back then to send in anyone else than a local self thought cave explorer, when anyone is stuck in caves today the army will be there within half an hour to fence of the area and fly in the best cave rescuers in the world.
Wild story
0 likesI literally just got back from a trip to mammoth cave national park and I completely missed this piece of history while there. I feel so unbelievably bad for this poor man and what happened to him was just awful and tragic. May he rest in peace now. I'm also now terrified of caves
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When I visited Mammoth cave a few years ago, I read on a pamphlet about this story and it scared me to the core.
6 likesThere's an insane amount of caves there and even avid spelunking locals haven't seen them all. Don't feel bad most of us don't know about sand cave.
6 likesIve been there a few times and im literally going there this weekend lmao
0 likes@Bobpob Cf Are u trapped yet?
0 likesGood thing you went before then lol
1 likeI remember learning about Floyd Collins a long time ago and how his rescue was hampered by the fact that it became a spectacle, but I didn't realize how batshit it all was, even after the poor man passed away.
484 likesThey shoud nerf Geral he's tooo broken
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Let's be real, this episode is actually terrifying.
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Last year, he was late for Halloween. This year he’s early.
6 likesThe first ten minutes had me feeling trapped and panicked, even just watching it on screen.
3 likesThis is like a bad monkeys paw wish, fame you say mmmmm I got that for ya
1 likeCan we take a moment to appreciate the effort that those people put into the rescue despite being too late?
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despite the fact that all those gawkers is what made the cave collapse, killing him?
14 likes@Peter Cooper The comment said to appreciate the rescuers, they never said anything about gawkers.
57 likeswhy does everyone say "can we take a moment" as if they're instigating group activities in a fucking nursery
16 likes@DaveDexterMusic are you this bitter just on the internet or in person too?
16 likes@Call me sir. don’t read the comments before watching.
1 likeIt is very moving
0 likes@Cristiano Faustino I think he's just wondering why people can't take a moment by themselves, without speaking up about it. Not gonna lie, I've seen a scary amount of "can we take a moment" and "can we appreciate" comments lately, as though people don't know how to respect or appreciate something without other people showing them the way.
5 likesIt's shallow, it's stupid, and it reeks of narcissism.
@DaveDexterMusic yeah it's dumb, it's just one of those premade sentences people say
4 likes@Call me sir. a comment section is used to discuss the contents of the video. if you don't want "spoilers", don't scroll down and read them.
0 likes@Marcus Knutsson Turn of phrase. It ain't that deep. Unlike the cave.
0 likesMy computer doesn't go dark enough for the text on the left to be "barely visible".
0 likesHow one story can show both the best and the worst of humanity, all of it while being incredibly ironic with him being even more trapped in the cave after being "rescued".
102 likesEntertaining and philosophical. Was definitely an episode worth waiting for. Great job as always.
LMAO just noticed a lot of background people are just characters from Peaky Blinders
0 likesThis is the first time, I found myself unable to continue watching a video..
0 likes13:59 my netflix watching payed off
0 likesAs someone who lives like 20 minutes from Cave City, it's actually crazy to see the places I've personally seen on one of the Internet Historian videos. I've been inside the Mammoth Cave Baptist Church before and been to the cemetery behind it. There's always been rumors about it being haunted, but it's somewhat normal in there. A lot of restoration work goes into it. Never knew about this story though, next time I go I'll look for Floyd's tombstone.
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They should show this video in high schools in the county or something
0 likesLeave a flower for the man.
10 likesOdd request but If you ever do go there could you leave a flower for me for him
6 likesleave a cup of coffee for him for me
3 likesand sandwiches
3 likesLeave a sandwich for him for me
2 likesBut wait… there’s more….
0 likesWow talk about integrity to turn down all that money or dumb I'm not sure because he could have took at least half of it and gave it to the family and still be well off so I don't know if that was a good idea or bad I mean he was there from the beginning he must have formed some type of friendship very interesting but pretty sad
0 likesAlways the goddamn algorithm brings me back via auto play to this video. Curse you YouTube!!!!
0 likesI love how this was a sort of patient zero for the life cycle of a news story we all take for granted today, from the up-to-the-minute coverage, oversaturation, rumor mills, and postmortem media tours - the whole taco. I was instantly reminded of the Baby Jessica stuck in the well story from when I was a kid.
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Hey man please never say "whole taco" again, I'm begging you
59 likesThe what story?
6 likesI'm with you on the 'whole taco' don't let anyone naysay taco portioning. And also yeah, its definitely a patient 0 situation on news stories. What did we learn from it all? F*k all.
9 likes@Mr Skelington I'm with this man
4 likesThat's insane how the news cycle went off the rails like that. It felt very modern, in the bad way. I'm glad he got some sort of dignity and peace eventually.
7 likesOr Janice who got lost in the woods and found in shallow grave
3 likes@TealWolf26 yeah it's crazy
0 likes@TealWolf26 I was getting ready to see them finally pull him out alive the whole time. Wondering if what he'll say and the psychological effects and everything and what his life would be like afterward....
0 likes@TealWolf26 what? What's that story about?
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