I just read an article about Miller retelling some of his encounter with this rescue. Apparently, the first time he braved the cave, he had to navigate the cave tunnels WITHOUT a light for most of it. Homer accompanied him for some of the journey, but the rest had to be done in the dark. The passage to Floyd was way tighter for a longer distance than the video visuals imply. This is a direct excerpt from it:

"At the very beginning it was necessary to get down on hands and knees. We were in an ooze and slime. The way was downward, not sharply at first, but gradual. Soon Homer and the others turned back and without a light, we butted here and there before finding which way the winding, twisting pathway led. Now it was necessary to get down on my stomach and slide and squirm along, using elbows, and toes to propel me—and occasionally to slow up when I slid along too quickly. In some spots the ooze and slime made a toboggan slide of the passage.

Before I knew it I reached a sharp incline and could not break my speed. The incline made an elbow turn and I caromed head-first against some wet mass. It groaned and moved."

Miller literally slammed into Floyd with his full weight. I love this video as is, but I really wish you put this part in the video!

@Koos van Vugt The only essays I'm writing are in response to people like you and others who initiate it. But Fair point on that. It'd probably be a better use of my time anyways. Honestly I don't really plan on doing another video of this nature anytime soon though. If the subject were anything else really I probably wouldn't have made the video in the first place. But what's done is done, and whether or not you watch it ultimately won't have much of a hold. same as for everyone else. But just know that IH's video has many plotholes and drastic inaccuracies in it, as well as a major misrepresentation of the facts. Essentially, take his video with a cup full of salt.

@C Porter I'm not going to watch your video. I simply dont share the passion you have for the subject, and so won't most of 8 million views who saw this video. I gave you the reasons why I didn't watch your video. Getting criticism is a hard thing to come by, as most people will just say nothing and move on. You can argue and write essay comments all day, it's not going to convince an audience to watch your videos. I'dd suggest to channel all the criticism you're receiving into change and betterment for your projects in the future.

@Koos van Vugt It takes more than 2 minutes to watch a video that's 49 minutes long. Yes there's a grudge against him, the whole video is called "Internet Historian Is Wrong About Floyd Collins", and if you watch it, you should be able to see why I'm pissed at him. But everything despite my attitude, is backed up by damning facts and actual sourcing that agrees with that's being said, unlike the handful of sources which pretty much support nothing but the quotations he uses. Everything else his sources show entirely conflict in one way or another.

@C Porter to be frank, i was actually interested in what really happened in the story and what got improperly portrayed,  but the way your script was written, the way you communicated the information and the way it felt to have such a grudge towards internet historian really threw me off being interested any more

@C Porter to be honest, it was late at night and I was a little sleepy, and I said "c porter" out loud in a very whiny voice and I just wanted to share that

@Koos van Vugt Interesting how you take enough time to do that, but cant even give significantly less time it takes to watch Man In Cave to understand the reality behind the widely fictitious account of Floyd Collins that IH tells. You made it clear in your other comments elsewhere that you can't be bothered to care about what you watch if it's not the most amazingly cinematic thing out there.

@C Porter no, I just wanted to acknowledge that you are here

@C Porter no, I just wanted to acknowledge that you are here

@Koos van Vugt forget to type your comment all the way through?

@Koos van Vugt forget to type your comment all the way through?

@Lorenzo Westling I hear you, but everything I said in that first, as well as in the replies have been 100% accurate, and anyone can fact check it and see for themselves it really is so. To give a far more lengthy comment as to the reality would be too lengthy for most. But instead what basically everybody has done it's just a bitch about my tone, wasting their time entirely instead of just taking me on my word of it, which they--and you it seems--are promising that they would have already if it hadn't been for my tone. All it is at the end of the day is a cop-out and a lame excuse for not actually looking into things. Considering if it was somebody else of prominence that had replied in the comments, like IH himself or someone else whos big saying this, we all know that everybody would have followed it without a second thought.

@C Porter A word of advice if you're aiming to make videos on the internet (or just communicate in general): the way we say things often says more than the words themselves. <br>No one is going to be receptive to your message if it is delivered too lengthily or in an overly argumentative tone that detracts from your main point.

@C Porter A word of advice if you're aiming to make videos on the internet (or just communicate in general): the way we say things often says more than the words themselves.
No one is going to be receptive to your message if it is delivered too lengthily or in an overly argumentative tone that detracts from your main point.

@This Skrub well obviously you're not even looking in the first place so that's why you're not finding it. I posted only 5 videos since this came out. And secondly I HAVE explained in here a lot of what's wrong with it in many comments now, so open your damned eyes. Just because you can't handle the fact that people deserve to be called out for their shit, and that I actually want to do you guys a favor by letting you know that, doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

@C Porter man i don't care if your video are lore accurate or whatever your attitude don't deserve a view you just barge in and call other people video shit instead of explain what he missing Also i can't find said video on your chanel because it just full of random crap

@The Tempted Man I don't think too much myself, but you, like many others I've seen thus far clearly don't give enough of a shit about anything to care either way. So why are you even commenting?

@C Porter nope. You think too much of yourself.

@C Porter nope. You think too much of yourself.

@The Tempted Man the hell are you on about a4? You made it this far, so you've obviously read a lot.

@The Tempted Man the hell are you on about a4? You made it this far, so you've obviously read a lot.

@C Porter nobody will read multiple a4 of your tears.

@C Porter nobody will read multiple a4 of your tears.

@The Tempted Man no shit, just said that in my last comment. Keep acting like you can't read.

@The Tempted Man no shit, just said that in my last comment. Keep acting like you can't read.

@C Porter keep crying, kid, your vid is an obscurity and will remain below a 10k view mark

@C Porter keep crying, kid, your vid is an obscurity and will remain below a 10k view mark

@Nade the comments I've given out I've only been in reply to one's given to me in this thread. Not started by you, but by others before you who can talk a lot without really saying anything of substance.

I can get where you're coming from to some degree, but getting views is a lot more complicated than how someone makes a comment. There's the algorithm, there's tags, natural subscribers, and other things too, I stopped advertising this after the first day of it posting, because I did what I sent out to do, and I understand that because of my channel size and just the nature of what I'm doing will make this video not very popular or well seen. As much as I would love 1 million views or even a 12th of that, it's just unrealistic.

Yeah his disclaimer at the beginning says "this is satire and journalistic by nature", which is extremely loose in this context. Mainly because of there being a little to no actual journalistic Integrity if you look at his sources, all of them will disagree with, or will never address the things said about (apart from quotations) a lot of the major events that he talks about here. Leaving only the satire, which in only a couple parts such as Floyd's body sailing through the air, or the sex jokes that some sections.  So everything else there, where he gets stuff wrong, there's no satire involved with it in these areas, and purely false information, which again if you look at his sources for the things, none of which will actually show it. Which means that he knowingly looked at these sources and decided to use them for credibility, but if theyre fact-checked, really damages his own credibility. Not to mention all the other stuff that he has no listed sources for, which has never been stated anywhere, such as how Crystal Cave ( the cave that Floyd actually discovered before Sand, which he explored immensely and was where he was actually buried with the glass coffin in) was just another name for Sand Cave. That's just one of many examples. So yes, he has entirely warranted this. And there really is nothing to say constructively when nothing has been given for the opportunity. If he had really tried to make it accurate, there would be an overflowing abundance of constructive criticism from me, and I wouldn't even be making these comments threads like I am. They would be much more like the way you want them to be.

Perhaps this would be easier for you to understand in an analogy. Pretend I'm a history professor, and IH is a student writing a finals paper about this. As per usual with these things, you have to use Research into what you write, and list the sources that you have, and have to write the paper and away that tells the subject how it truly was. Not to mention how since this is a finals paper, you have ample time given to work on this assignment, oftentimes the entire semester/course itself. So when IH turns in a paper that doesn't list many sources for it, and it's clear to have information present in it that isn't supported by the sources he does list, not to mention are fictitious. Even though the picturesque writing and storytelling is done fantastically, and there is some humorous sections in it, it doesn't do much for the grade since that wasn't the assignment. And IH gets a 65%, failing grade. This is a finals paper, and it's the last assignment and it has been turned in, so constructive criticism would be useless since there isn't going to be a rewrite, but there will be feedback nonetheless so that he understands what he did wrong. Just like every other student, he is graded fairly and accurately. If he or someone else is upset about it, they had a full class to come and ask for help, or rewrite sections to do a better job. But they chose the irresponsible decision to turn it in as is. Regardless of if it's because of the deadline or if it's because of they were truly struggling with it, that doesn't change the requirements of the assignment not being met.

@C Porter the point of putting it gently is to get more views. I know that would happen because I use myself as an example. I would have watched it, I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Thing is you will notice the negative comments way more than the increase in views. The IH defender fan boys will always leave comments regardless, and you will get mostly negative comments since most people wouldnt take the time to recognise you're doing a service to people and leave a nice comment. But the difference between the two is one way gets you more views

As for protest once again I'm not going to debate you about who's wrong or not. I'm not an IH defender, and it's great when people call each other out for misinformation, so I have no problem with that. My original comment wasn't of protest but of advice, don't alienate your viewers.

That last paragraph illustrated what I'm talking about. You refer to what you are doing at least in some capacity as shitting on IH. thing is, he hasn't done anything to warrant that. His disclaimer at the beginning combined with the fact that he hasn't even denied it yet, he's not even said "no I am actually right" means instead you should have given constructive criticism. That's the crux of my point. Constructive criticism. And yes I have ruled out clicking on your video because I think it would be unpleasant to watch based on how you come across and your apparent reluctance/ineffectiveness at giving constructive criticism where the alternative of giving mean comments isn't warranted

@Nabzarella Dare Edit: looks like they deleted their comment associated with this.

Going back into the hypocrisy again are we? There's been absolutely nothing constructive about your criticism this whole time, and my original comment isn't even that bad compared to the stuff that you've been saying to me this whole time. You haven't tried at all to see my reasoning, and it's not my fault that a bunch of other people who can't see it either just so happen to support your comments. You've done everything you possibly can to ignore what I'm saying and justify not watching just because you don't wanna hear any other opinion apart from your own or something that's part of the IH praise echo chamber. I'm done with your bullshit.

@C Porter Not true, you chose to be a dick about IH's video, you're alienating people all on your own, bud. There was clearly no malice intended on IH's end, but there definitely is on yours. And the like ratio has nothing to do with you not answering for days, my first reply to you got way more support than your initial comment, despite being there for roughly the same amount of time. Not to mention the most recent one by Nade which already has more upvotes than your initial reply, even though it's only 6 hours old. And they are another example of someone who doesn't want to watch your video solely because of your hostile approach. You don't want to take constructive criticism? I can't change that. I can't talk to a brick wall, I tried lol

@Nade You may not see it as wrong for me to tell people it's wrong, but that doesn't mean others will and have. Saying: "if you worded it differently people wouldnt have a big issue with it. And they would understand even without strong language/emotion obviously, providing they speak English" as much as I wish it were true, this whole expirience since Sept 29th has made it abundantly clear that this simply naive on a large scale, or maybe just for a community that surrounds IH.      Even elsewhere where I start the convo and mentioning it a lot more tamely, things go similarly to this. So what's the point of "putting it gently" (my words, not yours) with finess and getting the same result? Also too, showing my frustration here is better anyways, as it arguably prepares the viewer for the nature of my video, which is at the end of the day, a very critical look into  Man In Cave. Sure I'm much tamer over there, but my message and conclusions are the same over here.

These comments are in reply to it is the example of putting up a protest. But if you want to do your own research, than go ahead. I can give you all my sources if you want, but I'll do that in another comment since there are so many. If you truly do your own research--and not just a couple of google searches--then you will likely come across these same resources but after reading through a shit ton of other stuff.

Just like Nabzarella, at this point all you've done is say "I'm not watching it because your shitting on IH by talking about it" effectively. Even though that's the whole point of my video, calling him out on wrongs in his video. You can't effectively be doing that without throwing around a cold hard truth within it. It's easy to find out. A great news story needs a good headline which shows the truth of the article in a simpler fashion. Likewise for a paragraph synopsis talking about A 50 Minute long video like here. But through this comment argument, I've explained more of the video than probably necessary even, and you still won't look at it. So again, what's the point? Especially when in your eyes, i've irreversibly destroyed any possibility of you doing so it seems.

@C Porter I said it was well made as in constructed, put together, edited, video, audio etc. I didn't say well researched which is what you have a problem with (I havent done enough research to agree or disagree).
You can tell other people it's wrong sure, but its the way you've said it that people have a problem with. I don't see why telling people it's wrong automatically makes you an ahole, for some reason you've linked the two in your head when I literally gave you an example of how to politely/nicely/constructively do that instead. I guarantee if you worded it differently people wouldnt have a big issue with it. And they would understand even without strong language/emotion obviously, providing they speak English. Sometimes you need tact, finesse, style especially if you're persuading people to do something (like click on your vid or do their own research)

I dont see why you have a hard time believing that I would have watched your vid. I honestly would have, I care about facts quite a lot. The phrase "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" comes to mind, and for that reason, I wont click on your channel, I would much rather research it myself. Who wants to watch a video knowing the person behind the camera is unpleasant, it spoils the video, I legitimately wouldnt enjoy it whereas I may have before reading your comment.

I also don't see where I "put up protest". I replied with a comment explaining why your approach is bad. I wasn't even talking about the videos themselves, thats fair play if IH got it wrong, I'm explaining to you that coming off in that way is deleterious to your motivations of educating people and or getting views. If you don't want to listen to me thats fine, but its helpful advice. Your second paragraph seems quite argumentative so I will humour you with this long grammatical post

@Nade yeah but that's the thing though, it wasn't well made in any way apart from basic visual and audio. The actual content of it, which is the message and the details AKA the historical front, which is literally the point of making a video such as this; it is incredibly inaccurate. I would be the a-hole to a lot of other people if I didn't properly tell folks how bad it was. There's no denying it, Man In Cave has major problems with it that needed to actually be addressed. It's not just "some" inaccuracy, it is the full length of it and how it is presented. This is the most basic information about Floyd Collins that he got wrong. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. This is to the point that even history textbooks in high school and college levels get more right about Floyd than this video does. Even putting it as nicely here in this comment without cursing or perceivably emotional language wouldn't make my message any different, and would only make it so that less people could actually understand what I'm saying.

I also have a hard time believing that you or Darer would watch the video if I had said my first comment differently anyways, since you put up so much protest already, instead of taking even more time than the length of Man In Cave itself by trying to defend your choice of doing nothing.

@C Porter a different tone is easy, try: "This video was entertaining and well made. However, there are inaccuracies which I talk about in one of my own videos. I recommend you watch it if you care about the facts."

I'm not going to click on your video because your attitude really puts me off. It would kind of ruin the video knowing the person behind it is a bit of an ahole. Dont ruin your image if you want to advertise to people

@Guglielmo Borzoni boring maybe to some, I'm not wrong but it won't stop you guys from saying that I am, even though I've literally backed up every single thing I've said with actual sources to a scholarly and <b>truly journalistic degree</b> , but poorly made? oh please. My video was expertly crafted, but obviously not every single person on here, including you especially, don't have amazing editing programs and experience to make something on the visual level as IH.

@Guglielmo Borzoni boring maybe to some, I'm not wrong but it won't stop you guys from saying that I am, even though I've literally backed up every single thing I've said with actual sources to a scholarly and *truly journalistic degree* , but poorly made? oh please. My video was expertly crafted, but obviously not every single person on here, including you especially, don't have amazing editing programs and experience to make something on the visual level as IH.

@C Porter You are just wrong and your video is boring, uninteresting and poorly made.

@C Porter You are just wrong and your video is boring, uninteresting and poorly made.

@Nabzarella Dare really? Using your likes to say you're right? I forgot about this thread's existence for 12 days, if I would have continued it immediately things would have been very different. Plus it's practically unavoidable to have a different tone whenever you're advertising something of this nature anyways.

@C Porter I actually was aware of most of those details IH left out or changed, but none of them affected the emotion of the story to me. I've seen other straight-cut, matter-of-fact videos about this story, none of them had me invested like this one did. None of them made me care about Floyd's plight like this one did, DESPITE the inaccuracies. That's what matters to me. Even if it doesn't to you. And again, a lot of details would've needed to be cut down or simplified for time and to make the visuals easier to make. And again, dramatized.

James Cameron's Titanic was accurate as far as ship details go, but it certainly wasn't accurate to a lot of the real life people on board. And yet, the weight of the tragedy still gets across just fine. Accuracy isn't everything.

Bro, I ain't mad that you made a response video to IH's vid, that's fine. It was your tone and your advertising that really turned me off, and based on the likes I've gotten from my replies to you; I'm not the only one you've alienated with your hostile approach. You could've made a calm, respectful rebuttal to this video (and advertised it as such) and you would've acheived the exact same thing, except more people would actually respect you for it - but nah, you had to go full frothing at the mouth like: "thIs ViDeO iS GaRBaGe, WatCH MiNE!" I'm all for correcting misinformation, but you came off as an asshole, and I don't support that. I don't want you to take your channel/video down, just don't be a dick about it. Your video could've been a nice compliment to this one, IH's video for the emotional entertainment, yours could've been for the info hub. But, no. You had to stamp your feet and tell people who tell you to chill that they're 'just ignorant to the truth'.

But yes, let's stop this carousel of pointlessness. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

@Nabzarella Dare "it doesn't matter", "who cares" and "it's not supposed to be accurate, it's just a video" are literally the weakest arguments that I've come across. Because they aren't even arguments. It's just plainly admitting that you don't have any knowledge of the situation, you don't care to acknowledge the situation either; and not that you actually understand what is being said to you. You keep on coming at this at the angle that I'm getting mad about some shit like James Cameron in his 1997 film, which actually tried to portray the events of what happened to Titanic correctly for the time, minus putting a love story in there. Meanwhile with IH here, since you claim that you have looked at the sources yourself, and not just one or two articles at the top of the search results for Floyd Collins on Google, then you should already know that the things that he gets wrong are not minor details (well there are some, but idgaf about those for a video like this, because nobody is asking for 100% ever.), but instead major details that affect the entire narrative of the story.

Like how Floyd's caving contributions have changed the face of the entire Speleological discipline of Science with his exploration of Crystal Cave and his theories about caving which is literally the entire reason that he is at Sand Cave in the first place--two entirely different caves that Floyd was directly part of, which Internet Historian decides to pretend doesn't exist and instead have Floyd being reburied in Sand Cave until the 1980s; shows Lee to be a shitty father that doesn't care about his son or anybody enough to knowingly sign away his body as a tourist attraction; showing Skeets himself at first to be just another Ssensation-seeking journalist looking for a story like how Kurt Douglas' character does it in Ace In The Hole (1951 Floyd Collins inspired movie), who wanted to make a name for himself and for the paper; how Sand Cave was on the Collins' family property which somehow was 200 acres big, and then contradicts himself on this later in the video. when he says that Bee Doyle owned the property, which is reality. I could go on, but I bet you already have this delusion that everything I've stated here is somehow still minor details that for some reason you won't actually explain why, don't matter.

The Floyd Collins Musical has more effort, research, accurate portrayal of Floyd and others, humor, and RESPECT put into it than this video ever will. Adam Guettel consulted actual widely known historical research published (and freely accessible online right now for you to read) by expert caver Roger Brucker and historian Robert Murray who both spend half a decade researching into Floyd profusely and exhaustively just to make sure that yellow journalism--like featured all throughout Man In Cave--would be properly identified as bullshit. Just like how I referred to their research in my video.

This whole "Satire" argument is as weak now as it was back in 2016 for LeafyIsHere fans who justifies all that horrible shit he was doing under that word. You and others have the same 5 arguments, which apart from the ones listed earlier in my comment also include "the guy purposely went into a cave. He doesn't deserve any respect or accuracy" and "It's only a small even in history, plus it was 100 years ago, so it doesn't matter." The ladder argument I'm sure you've come across in your time as a fellow Titanic fan, unless you're incredibly new to it still.

Yeah, you going into my comment sections in doing that would not only be a shitty move, but a dumb as shit one as well! Considering my video's literal purpose all the way down to the title itself makes it incredibly clear that it's sole purpose is to correct IH's misinformation. So it'd make you look like just one of the tons of others who are wailing "Delete your channel, shit video, you're just a clout chaser. Admit it, you know you liked this video anyways lmelfao"

At the end of the day, you refuse to watch my video and automatically assume it's nothing but a "tantrum". I can't control that. And you refuse to look into stuff more than a basic google search or two of results, which i also can't control. But the reality of the situation is, you haven't even tried at all to see how things really are. I have. I've gone far out of my way to show you and others that. Some people just don't want to admit their wrong because of pride or whatever I guess. You're just one of those people it seems. So i got no reason to continue talking to a brick wall. I tried.

@Nabzarella Dare "it doesn't matter", "who cares" and "it's not supposed to be accurate, it's just a video" are literally the weakest arguments that I've come across. Because they aren't even arguments. It's just plainly admitting that you don't have any knowledge of the situation, you don't care to acknowledge the situation either; and not that you actually understand what is being said to you. You keep on coming at this at the angle that I'm getting mad about some shit like James Cameron in his 1997 film, which actually tried to portray the events of what happened to Titanic correctly for the time, minus putting a love story in there. Meanwhile with IH here, since you claim that you have looked at the sources yourself, and not just one or two articles at the top of the search results for Floyd Collins on Google, then you should already know that the things that he gets wrong are not minor details (well there are some, but idgaf about those for a video like this, because nobody is asking for 100% ever.), but instead major details that affect the entire narrative of the story.

Like how Floyd's caving contributions have changed the face of the entire Speleological discipline of Science with his exploration of Crystal Cave and his theories about caving which is literally the entire reason that he is at Sand Cave in the first place--two entirely different caves that Floyd was directly part of, which Internet Historian decides to pretend doesn't exist and instead have Floyd being reburied in Sand Cave until the 1980s; shows Lee to be a shitty father that doesn't care about his son or anybody enough to knowingly sign away his body as a tourist attraction; showing Skeets himself at first to be just another Ssensation-seeking journalist looking for a story like how Kurt Douglas' character does it in Ace In The Hole (1951 Floyd Collins inspired movie), who wanted to make a name for himself and for the paper; how Sand Cave was on the Collins' family property which somehow was 200 acres big, and *then contradicts himself on this later in the video.* when he says that Bee Doyle owned the property, which is reality. I could go on, but I bet you already have this delusion that everything I've stated here is somehow still minor details that for some reason you won't actually explain why, don't matter.

The Floyd Collins Musical has more effort, research, accurate portrayal of Floyd and others, humor, and RESPECT put into it than this video ever will. Adam Guettel consulted actual widely known historical research published (and freely accessible online right now for you to read) by expert caver Roger Brucker and historian Robert Murray who both spend half a decade researching into Floyd profusely and exhaustively just to make sure that yellow journalism--like featured all throughout Man In Cave--would be properly identified as bullshit. Just like how I referred to their research in my video.

This whole "Satire" argument is as weak now as it was back in 2016 for LeafyIsHere fans who justifies all that horrible shit he was doing under that word. You and others have the same 5 arguments, which apart from the ones listed earlier in my comment also include "the guy purposely went into a cave. He doesn't deserve any respect or accuracy" and "It's only a small even in history, plus it was 100 years ago, so it doesn't matter." The ladder argument I'm sure you've come across in your time as a fellow Titanic fan, unless you're incredibly new to it still.

Yeah, you going into my comment sections in doing that would not only be a shitty move, but a dumb as shit one as well! *Considering my video's literal purpose all the way down to the title itself makes it incredibly clear that it's sole purpose is to correct IH's misinformation.* So it'd make you look like just one of the tons of others who are wailing "Delete your channel, shit video, you're just a clout chaser. Admit it, you know you liked this video anyways lmelfao"

At the end of the day, you refuse to watch my video and automatically assume it's nothing but a "tantrum". I can't control that. And you refuse to look into stuff more than a basic google search or two of results, which i also can't control. But the reality of the situation is, you haven't even tried at all to see how things really are. I have. I've gone far out of my way to show you and others that. Some people just don't want to admit their wrong because of pride or whatever I guess. You're just one of those people it seems. So i got no reason to continue talking to a brick wall. I tried.

@C Porter Still not watching your tantrum disguised as a video, bruh. But how would you like it if I trolled your comment section and replied to people like "This video is boring and angry, go watch IH's video, it's way more entertaining!"? Pretty shitty move, honestly.
I DID go out and check out sources on this event, hence my comment that you replied to! I wouldn't have done that if it weren't for this video. Just like I wouldn't have gotten interested in the history of Titanic if it weren't for the film/s, even though they got some facts wrong. As you can see by my comment, I found an inaccuracy in the video based on Miller's first expedition to Floyd by fact checking a different source...and yet, I DIDN'T have a complete angry spazz about IH getting that part wrong, because it's not that deep, bro.
And LOL at the "You're not a REAL Titanic fan if you don't have a spazz at every video that gets details incorrect!" Nice bit of gatekeeping you did there. No, I've just got better things to do. I also understand that after a certain amount of time, stories like this; reach a certain legend status where facts get lost and mixed up - thanks to the 100+ year long game of Telephone and cognitive dissonance they go through, it's inevitable, and not worth crying about. Every historical event goes through this.

I acknowledge fully that he's gotten details wrong, I never actually debated you on that - my point is that IT DOESN'T MATTER as much as you think it does. This is a DRAMATIZED version of real events. Just like the musical. This video is told with a literal narrator holding a book like a story, with prose and characters talking! With a reel at the end with all the actors who portrayed each person in the story, also with a disclaimer that says it's satire and journalistic in nature. It's clearly not intended as a straight-cut documentary. Just like countless films on World Wars, historical figures, natural disasters etc. Christ. The correct emotion was portrayed well, better than most videos I've seen on this topic. Probably portrayed better than your video too, despite your intention to 'show more respect' by correcting IH, when really you're just butthurt and I'm guessing your video reflects that anger...and only that anger. An assumption? Yes, but given your tone toward this whole thing, it's more like an educated guess.

@Caleb Porter(Edit: it appears they deleted their comment with this. It said "from one C Porter to another... you are full of crap" )

From a Chase Porter to a Caleb Porter: stop embarrassing us, look into what I'm saying, and use that Porter brain of yours. I've already done all the legwork for you. You spent 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video here, so you can certainly use 2/3 of that time watching mine, and see my receipts showing the reality of what I said. Instead of posting this horsecrap.

@Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname  watch the vid and see, it's out now. Can't post links cause YouTube will mark the comment as spam.

@Nabzarella Dare just look at his fucking sources then and see it for yourself! The amount of hypocrisy prevalent in your comment is incredible. You're passionate of the Titanic, but somehow can't see that it's a really shitty thing to do when someone fucks up the history and doesn't care about it? That must mean that you're either diluted or not really passionate about it at all. And yes, it is literally every source that he used. Instead of pretending like you know what you're saying, how about you actually put your money where your mouth is and look into shit yourself? You even admit that you realize he is likely plagiarizing, but you're still yelling at me? What the actual fuck kind of logic is that? You spend 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video right now and believing all of it without even trying to fact check anything, but you can't even be bothered to do the same for someone who has already done all of the legwork for you. This ain't just the "nitpicky details", but everything from why he's even at Sand Cave in the first place, to when he leaves it. Which IH presents it as if he was trapped in there for 50 years, when it's painfully obvious from even one simple fucking Google search that he wasn't.

Obviously I'm not going to do that at a play or musical because that's not the type of content that you can even respond with without looking like a crazy person. YouTube is the perfect platform to do this sort of thing with since it's videos, but you can't seriously think I'm the first one to make a response video, do you? How about when Brightside or someone else puts some retardation up about Titanic? You do realize there's a full community for people who call them out on their bullshit, because they know there are other people who actually believe this and believe that those people know what they're talking about, right? Internet historian is not one of those channels like Brightside which usually puts out shit like that, and has a history of generally being right, so of course next to nobody will fact check and just blindly believe it. Just like you apparently.

You're want me to chill out and you pretend like you don't care, but you've been more hostile then I have so obviously you do. What I'm doing isnt ironic, it's 100% honest. Of course I benefit from this, my vdeo is literally about the shit he got wrong, so where the hell else would it make sense for me to talk about it? But It's clear to me you just can't stand to see an influencer you love be called out critically, even if the person is right, which you won't even see for yourself.

@Nabzarella Dare just look at his fucking sources then and see it for yourself! The amount of hypocrisy prevalent in your comment is incredible. You're passionate of the Titanic, but somehow can't see that it's a really shitty thing to do when someone fucks up the history and doesn't care about it? That must mean that you're either diluted or not really passionate about it at all. And yes, it is *literally every source that he used.* Instead of pretending like you know what you're saying, how about you actually put your money where your mouth is and look into shit yourself? You even admit that you realize he is likely plagiarizing, but you're still yelling at me? What the actual fuck kind of logic is that? You spend 1 hour and 9 minutes watching this video right now and believing all of it without even trying to fact check anything, but you can't even be bothered to do the same for someone who has already done all of the legwork for you. This ain't just the "nitpicky details", but everything from why he's even at Sand Cave in the first place, to when he leaves it. Which IH presents it as if he was trapped in there for 50 years, when it's painfully obvious from even one simple fucking Google search that he wasn't.

Obviously I'm not going to do that at a play or musical because that's not the type of content that you can even respond with without looking like a crazy person. YouTube is the perfect platform to do this sort of thing with since it's videos, but you can't seriously think I'm the first one to make a response video, do you? How about when Brightside or someone else puts some retardation up about Titanic? You do realize there's a full community for people who call them out on their bullshit, because they know there are other people who actually believe this and believe that those people know what they're talking about, right? Internet historian is not one of those channels like Brightside which usually puts out shit like that, and has a history of generally being right, so of course next to nobody will fact check and just blindly believe it. Just like you apparently.

You're want me to chill out and you pretend like you don't care, but you've been more hostile then I have so obviously you do. What I'm doing isnt ironic, it's 100% honest. Of course I benefit from this, *my vdeo is literally about the shit he got wrong, so where the hell else would it make sense for me to talk about it?* But It's clear to me you just can't stand to see an influencer you love be called out critically, even if the person is right, which you won't even see for yourself.

@C Porter From one C Porter to another... you're full of crap.

@C Porter From one C Porter to another... you're full of crap.

@C Porter What type of stuff did they get wrong?

@C Porter What type of stuff did they get wrong?

@C Porter Literally EVERY source? Get the fuck outta here, bro. I've seen sources so close to this video's script that I've seen people accuse IH of ripping off said source. Including the script of Scary Interesting's video and some other article/s. They likely just used the same public sources. You're exaggerating. And yes, you CAN use Satire to this extent. This is a YouTube video, you need to chill. It is a dramatised version of a historical event. Do you stand up during the stage musical of this story too and be like "This isn't accurate! Watch my YouTube video!"

Again, even reading mutiple articles on the story confuses a lot of details. The weight of the rock (for example) changes all the damn time from source to source. Getting some shit wrong and/or changing things around to fit an easy, cohesive narrative (that doesn't go for 2 hours), and to help make the visual reprentation easier to understand/make; was kinda inevitable.

I'm quite passionate about the story of the Titanic, I've seen endless videos and even films getting facts wrong all over the place. I only get mildly annoyed when it's done blatantly disrespectfully, like clickbaity thumbnails showing a photoshopped skeleton with an obnoxious arrow pointed at it like "THeY FoUNd The CaPTaiN!" (even though the Captain's body was never recovered and never will be). Which I don't think this video did with Floyd Collins, even if YOU think so. It still got most people invested in the story, and had people empathizing with Floyd and his demise, the way it's supposed to be. I've seen many reaction videos as proof of this. All the main points are present here, and that's all you really need. Because of that, I DO NOT care about the nitpicky historical details he got wrong. Just like I don't care about the details that James Cameron's Titanic film got wrong, it got the point across just fine - just like this video did, and this video got me interested in a story I had never even heard of. You running around going "MY VidEo BEttuR!" in his video's comment section isn't going to make people respect yours over his, it's likely to have the opposite effect, but go off I guess. It's kinda ironic you're shitting on this video, while you're using it to benefit yourself.

@Nabzarella Dare You don't have any idea what journalistic means if you think a video that has literally EVERY source that he uses disagreeing with what he's saying. My own videos' purpose is made in response to this garbage that he made here. You can only use the Satire excuse to a certain extent, and when he presents everything in a way that's supposed to be believable and cinematic, especially for such an obviously obscure story, that line has been crossed.

BBC's Documentaries, from the ones I've seen aren't great themselves. If you don't wanna watch my video that's fine. but just know going forward that any time you eventually do find something you care about being treated as horribly as he is,  if you call someone out for it, you're making yourself be a hypocrite.

@C Porter You don't need to shit on someone else's project to promote your own video. If you read the disclaimer at the start it says: "The following is satire and journalistic in nature." He's likely aware of the historical inaccuracies, and cut some stuff down to make it easier to put into one story-time video like this - especially when it comes to the visuals, which would've been really hard to make as it is. <br>Details get lost and muddled in 100 years too, I've read many articles with conflicting points, it's hard to know which one is true, your video may have inaccuracies too as far as you're concerned. I'm not watching your video, solely because I've seen you self advertise it by only shitting on Internet Historian, calling this video "garbage" and whatnot. I don't care about its accuracy - it's also for entertainment. This is basically a 'based on a true story' scenario, films do it all the time. This isn't a BBC documentary, chill out.

@C Porter You don't need to shit on someone else's project to promote your own video. If you read the disclaimer at the start it says: "The following is satire and journalistic in nature." He's likely aware of the historical inaccuracies, and cut some stuff down to make it easier to put into one story-time video like this - especially when it comes to the visuals, which would've been really hard to make as it is.
Details get lost and muddled in 100 years too, I've read many articles with conflicting points, it's hard to know which one is true, your video may have inaccuracies too as far as you're concerned. I'm not watching your video, solely because I've seen you self advertise it by only shitting on Internet Historian, calling this video "garbage" and whatnot. I don't care about its accuracy - it's also for entertainment. This is basically a 'based on a true story' scenario, films do it all the time. This isn't a BBC documentary, chill out.

Wish he had but honestly, he gets pretty much everything wrong in this video. Don't beleive it definitively. I made a video myself recently where I'm talking about a ton of shit he got wrong in it if anyone's interested.


"I have faced death before;
it doesn't frighten me;
but it is so long."

That phrase shatters my heart. His time in that cave was so long and his death was so slow and agonizing... rest in peace, buddy.

Would've been cooler and much more humanizing if the entirety of his words were put in this video. The following is still simplified for readers in 1925, with slight changes to the wording, but has the full thought and context:

"Monday was the first day when strangers came back to me. I kept working around, whenever I felt strong enough, thinking I could twist myself free. But each time I could hear pebbles falling into the deep hole right behind me. It caused me to shudder. I kept thinking what would happen if the rock above me would fall. I kept trying to drive my mind to something else, but it wasn’t much use … I couldn’t do much to help those who came to help me, but I knew a lot of people were willing to do all in their power. This gave me courage. ... “Tuesday morning,” I thought to myself. “Four days down here and no nearer to freedom than I was the first day. How will it end? Will I get out or—” I couldn’t think of it. I have faced death before. It doesn’t frighten me. But it is so long. Oh God be merciful! ... I want you to tell everybody outside that I love every one of them and I’m happy because so many are trying to help me. Tell them I am not going to give up: That I am going to fight and be patient and never forget them. You go out now, but don’t leave me too long. I want you with me and I’ll keep helping all I can to move some of this rock.”

-Floyd Collins, Associated Press reprint of Skeet's Miller's report in The Louisville Courier-Journal, Feb 4th, 1925.

nay he was talking about how annoyingly long it was


What a rollercoaster. I went from "He's gonna die" to "HE MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE?! :O" so, SO many times. Incredible story, if only floyd was more careful with that goddamn lantern, if only he didn't step on that stone, if only the crowd hadn't gathered, if only the diggers were faster. Such horror, What a rollercoaster,  Absolutely worth An hour and 9 minutes of my life. also it scares me that he was trapped in that cave for over 60 years, the cave really didn't want him free


Damn, that's some impressive amount of effort for an hour long free documentary video on youtube, you never disappoint my man, job well done as always! And can I say your narration of the cave passage is so detailed it gives me second-hand claustrophobia, just horrible in a good way.


4 minutes into the drama, i see ive got another hour or so and my claustrophobia kicks into overdrive.

Still this is some damn good storytelling


This gave me more adrenaline than 99% of movies and gave me a panic attack, well done, holy.


This video is so well made. I’ve never watched your videos before and I expected something different from this, like a commentary or a creepy pasta or something, but man this was so much better.


If I had seen this in a movie or read this in a book, I would accuse it of being too unbelievable to be a good story. Holy crap.


This was one of the greatest videos I've watched on this platform. You're a legend


As an Appalachian, I would like to say thank you for this depiction! Beautiful narration. Wonderful storytelling.

Yeah it's kind of crazy to see a story with this much detail about a place I visited as a kid. I never knew about this.


Cant believe how emotionally attached i got to a dude who died almost 100 years ago.


I LOVE the editing and production with this beautiful story! Thank you:)


I really like this,a longer video with less jokes more of just the story ive been falling asleep with it on often its not boring just nice to listen to


19:0 you can see where Wendigoon is actually laughing at his own line and it is absolutely hilarious


What a roller coaster! I haven’t been this on the edge of my seat to a YouTube video maybe ever. Bravo, another subscriber amongst your well earned millions, thanks for the amazing content!


This was so good I couldn't continue after the lamp died... it was too intense, felt like I was in there.

When the lamp broke, the light bulb died, or some other moment?


Miller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming

Back in the day reporters would crawl to the ends of the earth for a good story. None of them went to college. Today, reporters just read stories online and give their moronic opinions. And yet they insist they need a college degree to do that.


My favorite character is Burden, because unlike Homer or Miller, he was a big part of it without necessarily a big reason for it. Just sheer motivation and sunk cost, respect.

Also LOL at the crazy old man Lee, the couple faking the telegraphs, the competitors beating him up for the deed, and the mysterious two men who took a leg.


Definitely the most entertaining documentary on something I never though I’d care about that I’ve seen in a while.


I'm curious if any of these lines are from the book. You told this story in an excellent manner.


Never forget the peaky blinders and their valiant efforts to fill up the crowds outside the cave.


There’s actually a lot of historical inaccuracies in this, Homer was not the first person to reach Floyd, and Skeets Miller was not the second, he was the fourth. Johnny Jerald and Homer had a much smaller role to play in the ordeal, there were several other characters involved, and Floyd’s other brother also helped in the early hit before getting injured and staying out. Among many other inaccuracies.
It was also proven that there was no crystal cavern on the other side, Floyd just told people that, and the cave Floyd was put in after his death was Crystal Cave, not sand cave, which was a different cave that he owned some of.

Lee was also not drunk and far more supportive of the rescue effort

The big contention between Lee and Floyd was that they had a mutual ownership of Crystal cave, but it was a failed attraction. Floyd wanted to keep trying to make it famous and Lee wanted to sell it. They actually made a deal with Johnny Jerold to try and find a buyer for Lee’s half of the property with the option for Jerold to buy it, but Floyd refused to renew his part of the bargain to sell

Burden was also in the cave several times and did a lot more than just the rope pull. I’m fact, Miller did more work with Burden than he did with Homer or Jerold, Jerold personally hated the idea of any non-local, including Miller, helping in the rescue


I have claustrophobia so I can only imagine how unfathomably traumatic this is.


"None of this would have happened if Floyd had gotten world of tanks." Truer words were never spoken. I imagine then he could be like "Come see the incredible simulated world." and had a one of a kind tourist attraction already, never having to mess with the cave at all.


This video is a masterpiece, never stop please <3


poor floyd, this was so unlucky for him.<br>the cave just had to colapse right when there was a big chance to get him out

poor floyd, this was so unlucky for him.
the cave just had to colapse right when there was a big chance to get him out


This reminds me of the guy stuck upside down in a cave and it was impossible got rescuers to get him out without breaking every bone in his body so he had to slowly die and his body is still in the cave because it’s so dangerous.


This is amazing video. Congratulations on making documents better than those in TV👏


It sounds like, despite the morbidity of the situation...the family got exactly what Floyd was looking for: a tourist attraction caused by his cave-exploring discovery, one that ends up wildly successful and profitable. (For a time, of course.) Sad that his family couldn't have gotten the majority of said profit though.


Haha... this is TERRIFYING & HILARIOUS all at the same time... I don't think I have ever had so many panic attacks followed by so much uncontrolled laughing


fucking amazing video, I didn’t even skip a few seconds, not even once. i didn’t get bored at all, i never even wanted to close this video just because of how good and entertaining it is.


I've been on YouTube since the beginning. This is hands down one of the best videos I've ever seen.


"He knew he was about to be trapped in that cave... And he didn't want to be trapped... Alone."

Most chiling shit ive ever heard


It took mee a while to realize that this was a real event and not just a recount of one of my favorite films. The events are the exact same, so if you want to see them play out, watch Ace in The Hole (THe Great Carnival). A tuly brilliant movie, especially for the time.


Got recommended this video a few times over the weeks.and finally watched it man it really had my attention. Fantastic.


Its the peaky blinders as NPCs that rlly adds the icing on it for me


I genuinely have never had something captivate me this well. I’m so happy.


There’s another channel who did this story and many many like it including cave diving 😬


Being the curious teen boy i am with a rather nonchalant yet subtly novel moral compass, all that bugs me is that why hadn't the 'spectacular alien like cave formation' looked into after all that effort. Not that I care about that trapped lad having such steady ambition to monetize and explore it, it's just that  i am having a hell of a tantrum to why that wasn't bothered about. That morbid curiosity at its best you know.

They sorta did. Several years after the tragedy; Miller, the reporter, along with a handful of researchers got permission to dig into the crystal room. Unfortunately even being years after the cave in, the team concluded Sand Cave was still too unstable for even their small group to stay in. They were only able to explore ot for a week before sealing it back. That's why the National Park has it locked up, it waaaaay too dangerous.


This story has definitely made me feel different about mining in minecraft


Seeing Wendigoon had me laughing loudly LMAO


i'm not sure why he didnt dig the rest of the tunnel before he tried to dig out the last passage, especially if he wanted people to actually be able to enter in and out freely


Always have a torch on you when going to caves with garvel

I learned that on Minecraft


I knew about Floyd from the Cave Wars video but I never knew it was so nail biting.


You know, when I heard the name "Casey Jones" I expected him to scream Goongala at the top of his lungs like a cave man before beating the cave with a hockey stick expecting results.


I didn't expect my faith in humanity to be restored and destroyed in the same video.


Wait wait wait a sec...<br>After Floyds family had the money to retrieve his body they only took 7 miners to get to him in 7... I repeat SEVEN days?! Just from the other side? Wouldn't THAT have saved him?!

Wait wait wait a sec...
After Floyds family had the money to retrieve his body they only took 7 miners to get to him in 7... I repeat SEVEN days?! Just from the other side? Wouldn't THAT have saved him?!


That story is my worst nightmare. Told very well


crazy story. I am also so surprised the peaky blinders were there in kentucky the whole time


If it had just been 1-2 guys maintaining a steady supply of food and water with Floyd's brother slowly, patiently working to move rock with delicate hands, Floyd would have lived.<br>In the end though, the stupidity of people in their generality ended up taking his chances away. Not the cave.

If it had just been 1-2 guys maintaining a steady supply of food and water with Floyd's brother slowly, patiently working to move rock with delicate hands, Floyd would have lived.
In the end though, the stupidity of people in their generality ended up taking his chances away. Not the cave.


I'm so fucking mad. I actually gasped when you said he was dead and I actually cried a bit. The fucking GALL of the people who decided to profit off Floyd's death. Fuck so many people in this story.

you'll be even more mad if you know the truth behind it all. Internet Historian does a shit job on this. Had to make a video explaining a ton of it he got wrong.


God this video was great, so worth the wait


Its sad because at the end of the day it was the tourist attraction that made the cave to crumble and fall down


505k likes on this vid fckn hell, well deserved IH this is a masterpiece


If Floyd played minecraft, then he would know that gravel from above can be dangerous.


Full. Body. Chills. The entire video. WOW. <b>Claustrophobia unlocked</b>

Full. Body. Chills. The entire video. WOW. *Claustrophobia unlocked*


Oooof.  I'm so claustrophobic.  This is the one Internet Historian video I'm having to bow out of.


41:42 Casey having to leave, only being able to watch as the light disappears and he hears sobbing of the man he had to leave behind. I wonder how much guilt he felt from that moment, it’s too horrible to imagine


Ah, I was wondering if maybe the brother hired guys to steal his body and hide it in a location and he would take it from there but the cops got to it first.


When that light bulb went out he probably figured they gave up and died without hope in the dark


8:40 first captured photo of OBUNGA ever captured on a picture a truly historical moment.


54:37 The citation SPOILED the ending for me, unfortunately


Konami should have given Internet Historian Silent Hill, this was horrifying


AHAHAHAHA another banger brother, keep up the good work (from one creator to anotha)


Should've given him 500 atoms as compensation


Whole area filled with cave divers and none of them thought to start reinforcing the way in and digging bigger entrance while other swap turns to try and free him in the mean time? That is just dumb -.- Sure digging could make area further away more unstable but would made things much easier and safer to everyone in this project. Also why the way in was not dig bigger in the first place? Why to make crawl space for tourists when mining suitable way in would been better way to bring tourists in?


I knew this video was going to be good as soon as he said, "In the state of Kentucky..."


wendigoons face continuously scooting up on screen💀


As a claustrophobe, this is my worst nightmare.


Fun fact, this dude is my great great uncle in law.


Great video. Music list is not complete tho, I definitely heard Elden Rings Limgrave theme, which was a good choice 👍


This story is pure chaos wtf, nature and karma did their job


Internet Historian: In the state of Kentucky there is a cave...<br>Me: Yeah Probably

Internet Historian: In the state of Kentucky there is a cave...
Me: Yeah Probably


One day I WILL move a snow globe with my mind!!!


It is kinda strange to think that people jumping from miles and miles (or kilometers for the cheese burgerless) with nothing but some fabric on their back is a lot safer than going less than a few dozen feet underground.

ᛟᚲᚠᚹ × ᛗᚨᚷᚦᛁ


40:16 bro has a telescope to diagnose the state of the cave


I know I should recognize at least SOME of the other faces you're using, but <i>damn it all</i> if my prosopagnosia doesn't make it borderline impossible!

I know I should recognize at least SOME of the other faces you're using, but _damn it all_ if my prosopagnosia doesn't make it borderline impossible!


"the national guard was present" i gather they where on annual leave then if they didn't do shit


You’re probably not reading this, but I wanted to let you know I’ve started using your voice in my head to narrate the books I read


The subway sub should have said "12 inches (11 inches in reality)" just to reference that little fiasco.


I'm sweating halfway through, but hell if I'm gonna stop watching now!


I keep going away from, and then coming back to, this video. It's really interesting but gives me so much anxiety


Man that story was super interesting but I'm just super bummed


The contortionist and chisel suggestion was much funnier than guy #3


16:41 now Homers helping him and the subtitles say FORGEIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ngl some sections of the video were nightmare fuel for me. Still, thank God his body is not in that cave, so sad they use him as an attraction


Hey IH, sadly can't watch this video at all (claustrophobia levels over 9000) but i'll keep it running in the bg to give you a few views anyway. Keep making awesome content!


why was a movie of this story never made!?


00:00 Fuck Yeah, another internet historian video... and its over one hour long!

01:16 "...The Squeeze.." Oh hell no, fuck this


Love that the people have the Faces of IH's mates


Such a tragedy that it brought the peaky blinders about


14:00 dude really snuck in the peaky blinders


US south hucksterism is my favorite aspect of the culture. Highly recommend the book "wise blood"


Was not in a good mood. Came to see some Internet Historian video to rise it...  yep....


14:14 put on subtitles and at one point it says

it`s great


You really see two sides of humanity in this video; The people who really went to dangerous extremes to physically help him, and the other (unfortunately larger) camp of people that just sat by, put weight on the cave from above, spread rumors for fun, or otherwise exploit the situation. Really disappointed in how so many people acted in this situation. Not sure why so many top commenters wanna act like this is some heartwarming shit


Still the best frickin sponsored content videos


That classic MoH soundtrack in the background


54:45 no not naturally, there's nothing natural about that, that's just irresponsible


i was afraid you might have peaked with the gentleman pirate<br>i was very wrong

i was afraid you might have peaked with the gentleman pirate
i was very wrong


The red dead redemption music makes this video that much better too, I appreciate it


Plot twist: the cave ate him and others throughout history.


Send a stalagmite my way so my headstone is covered, thanks.


It’s sorta hard to watch this that crap freaks me out. Great video


I thought about this video after watching Thai Cave Rescue on Netflix.


Miller is my favorite character in this. The rise from parasitic journalist to actual hero is very heart warming


Della 🍆 𝐆𝐨 𝐓𝐨 𝐌𝐲 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐥 [𝐋!𝐯𝐞]


Cant wait for the Nutty Putty cave story


Gotta look up the nutty putty cave "rescue"


This is how you make a movie with png images


No way it's Isaiah's face! LOL <br>Isiah from wendigoon

No way it's Isaiah's face! LOL
Isiah from wendigoon


*I FUCKING **_KNEW_** I RECOGNIZED "HAROLD"*


so why the dark text? was there something hidden?


Posted 3 weeks ago? I must have been living in a cave.


Why would anyone cave dive like this?! Fuck! I'm shuddering...


The fact that Floyd died absolutely killed me. I thought this was going to be the story of the heroes winning against all odds.

7 sausage 🥪🥪🥪🥪🥪🥪🥪 came rolling out that corpse.

@Kona to be fair it’s much more difficult to dig through dense rock than piled on dirt

He would've died anyway cave or no cave.

Aparently this is an unpopular sentiment do not flay me I beg of thee

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

Άγγελος Μορίκης

@Anon why did you scroll into the comments if you didn't watch the video, you're kinda asking for it

@Anon Don't watch comments of a video you still need to watch...

@Anon That spoiler is completely your own fault

@Anon it happened 100 years ago. Spoiler season ended about 98 years ago.


Was that Limgrave music from Elden Ring?


My claustrophobia did not let me go past 5 minutes 😔


21:50 I don't know why but hearing that part of Miller "feeling ashamed not to try" just makes me hopeful and kinda sad, that all of the other people who had got there had given up, even while knowing that Floyd was in there, and here comes this strager, who had never even met him, and the simple fact that another human being is in distress compels him to at least try to save him.

Sure, I applaud his courage, but I'm more than happy to admit that seeing a crawl space of 9 inches, would unquestionably make me immediately go "Nah, fuck that."

It's scary even to just go under the house to do some plumbing I start to panic when my moment is restricted

I'm super claustrophobic and this shit terrifies me but if I could hear somebody in a hole like this really hurting for help I really really would try to help. Ive been in small spots, panicked and could calm myself down and get out but I would try my best at least, I don't think I'd make it in though tbh

some people really are built different. Just knowing that "someone else did it" is enough to encourage them to push thrpugh any hardship they encounter.


I'm all NOPE and it's not even 2 minutes. I didn't think I had claustrophobia until I went caving. NOPE


I honestly feel like this is something you can submit into film fests. Like the mix of style and story telling is immaculate.


Lmao at the peaky blinders standing in the background


So no one's gonna talk about how badass Casey Jones was? Just got on site, went into an ACTIVELY COLLAPSING cave, crawled all the way to Floyd and stayed with him as long as possible, and barely escaped. Can't imagine how hard it would have been to leave Floyd in there.

And he was a hireling. Not floyd's brother or anything. Dude had an adamantine work ethic.

@RiptideV10 how did he cause the collapse? If anything caused it it was the amateurish attempt of using a bottle jack and crowbar to lift the rock, or the countless times the others crawled in and out. When those two went into the cave it was just to assess the danger, they did nothing but inspect fissures in the wall and look for instabilities. Keep in mind too that he and the other guy were literally professionals in cave stability, the best of the best when I came to underground safety at the time. Out of everything you can blame the collapse on, they are pretty low on the list

No wonder he went insane and became a violent vigilante in 1980's NYC.

On the one hand, total dick move, but on the other hand, man was <i>actively</i> shitting himself.

On the one hand, total dick move, but on the other hand, man was _actively_ shitting himself.


now are you an internet historian, or are you an internet historian

now are you an *internet* historian, or are you an internet *historian*


The way they rigged up the copper wire to check his breathing was fucking insane, literal goosebumps.

On a similar note, back when medical science was far less advanced, bodies were buried with a string tied to their toe and the other end rigged up to a bell on the surface to avoid burying someone alive. However, muscle spasms can occur after death, leading to many corpses being dug up. This is the origin of the term "dead ringer".

Now that I'm thinking, why the engineers didn't check that wire to check is he was alive before?


Can we talk about the haunting dream sequence at 25:50 though? I have never seen Internet Historian create a scene so haunting and horrifying before, and it amazingly captured the morbidity and hopelessness of Floyd’s situation. It perfectly foreshadowed future events, especially with the motif of the cave not letting him go. The colors, the sound effects, the scenario, the VIDEO as a WHOLE—so spectacular. All of it. Thank you for what you all do; it’s incredible.

It actually frightened me. This is the reason that Internet Historians videos are so good.

It felt like the YOU KNOW WHAT was kicking in

Reminds me of 127 hours where he begins hallucinating a rainstorm and getting out from the crevasse.

Sensory deprivation is a hell of a drug. I imagine it synergizes quite vividly with hypothermia.


I don’t know how I wound up here but I’m watching.. 👀


When Internet Historian publishes a 1-hour video, you know it's going to be something extraordinary.

Definitely not... an ordinary thing. (Ba da dum tish)


I was really hoping to hear that Floyd’s original goal of getting that passage open would have been realized

@S B Well they found another way into the cave he wanted into. But also a fact this video didn't mention was that Floyd also wanted to prove the caves in the area were all connected to one in another and that was proven true. It's been a while so I can't give full details sorry :\

@Doctor Homicide Really?  I wanna know more about that.

well kinda. The podcast the Dollop did this same story and they said they found another entrance to Crystal cave I believe

Technically it was, just took his death first


floid's brother is a truely great brother
he was the first one to brave.the squeeze
he was the one who worked the hardest to get floid out of the cave and REFUSED to leave his brother there even after his death
i honestly can not begin to discrab how great of a man and a brother he was

@SicilysFinest12 the whole point of my comment was how i liked one character yet here i am
reading your complains
English is not my native language
i never said that am flawless nor did i boost about my self in the comments
i only talked about the character that i liked the most
now have a good day

@jony jesten idc about how good people's grammar is, but saying there's only 1 mistake in that comment is very wrong

@jony jesten i have know eyedeer wat kind of problam they wld have wit ur grammor

@SicilysFinest12 no it seems that they're complianing about one grammer mistake i made in that whole comment<br>"discrab"

@SicilysFinest12 no it seems that they're complianing about one grammer mistake i made in that whole comment
"discrab"

@Sal You can't understand his discrabtion?

Also Miller… if journalists nowadays did even 1% of what he did there - the world would be a better place.


The fact that IH can drop a video simply titled 'man in cave' and I'll click on it says a lot about how much faith we have in his ability to create content. It says even more that it exceeded my expectations.

He doesn't need a title, the sups will klick it enyway  but I ges YouTube  needs one


I was heartbroken by the time it was revealed he passed away. Even more so with each revelation of his corpse being desecrated and abused for money.

Also to anyone complaining about spoilers how about you watch the vid before checking the comments 🤡

@Gortalla Dude I live here as well, I don't hate it.

@Rust R what is it with you people and finding any reason to hate America

Idiots reading comments while watching 😂

@Sabizos bro y u reading comments on a 1 hour video that tells a story

@Autonova it’s interesting, the fuck lol why did he tell the Concordia story?

@glaco its a comment on a video about an event that happened over 100 years ago. If youre worried about the narrative; dont read commentary about the story.

Bro really just spoiled the entire video

I’m not sure why Internet Historian decided to tell this story

He risked his life trying to create a tourist attraction and succeeded, but not in the way he expected.


All the faces of humanity, the good, the bad, and the insane, all displayed to the fullest in one rollercoaster of a tale so absurd we depart from the realm of fiction into history. All of it told by one of the greatest storytellers of our time. What an absolute treat this was.


Every time I hear the words, "fortunately" and "luckily", my heart aches, already knowing this story and its outcome.

@RamAmandeep I watched another video about Floyd a few weeks back. Even prepared with foreknowledge, I ended up feeling claustrophobic and uncomfortable once more.

IH may have created a comedic take on these events, but the grimness isn't lost.

I went to the comments and got spoiled. I'm so dumb

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@RamAmandeep i also dont know the story when started watching, but when one of the credited source titled the death and transfiguration of Floyd Collins, my heart sank

I had never heard of this, I did not know the outcome and actually thought that he might had made it out alive. I'll remember this story for a very long time.


I knew how this story would end, yet hearing more details than ever and the efforts people took in helping Floyd still made me hope he'd get out of that cave this time around

fr<br>after the "intro" that described his fall and position, i knew that he wouldnt leave that cave

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after the "intro" that described his fall and position, i knew that he wouldnt leave that cave


I was shedding tears at how hard everyone tried to save him. Once the cave in happened I was sure he was dead but they never gave up hope. Stories like these bring back my faith in humanity.

"AN odd warmth pats you on the back. It feels fleeting, but it somehow seems like it cost...far more that the feeling?"

@Đ.Dương They probably contributed to the cave instability that ultimately cost Floyd his life. These sort of stories affirm my cynicism and pessimism.

@abloogywoogywoo Yeah like wtf, from the beginning to the very end, there are a lot people who actively make thing worse but somehow some viewer just automatically skip through them and have their faith in humanity restore. Like no, the man dies because people fk around, there even a guy profit of off his corpse.

@Đ.Dương And those calling the whole thing a hoax while pretending to be Floyd writing to everyone he's fine? <i>That's just sick.</i> Whenever someone says "this restores my faith" I immediately think 'this guy's a crackpot'.

@Đ.Dương And those calling the whole thing a hoax while pretending to be Floyd writing to everyone he's fine? _That's just sick._ Whenever someone says "this restores my faith" I immediately think 'this guy's a crackpot'.

Yes, Homer, Miller, Gerald or even Burdon was great, also the people who work hard to save him too but the massive amount of people tomfoolery and fk around didn't drag your faith through the mud is just something else. And not to mention the dentist guy who fking cage a dead body for tourism?

"faith in humanity"<br>You do realize what channel you're on, right? This exposes the tomfoolery and comical corruption of people.

"faith in humanity"
You do realize what channel you're on, right? This exposes the tomfoolery and comical corruption of people.

@Dominick Even if that's the case, personally, I don't think the motives really matter. What they do and the actions they take are more important. <br>Just because someone's out to make money doesn't diminish the fact that they've helped people in the process

@Dominick Even if that's the case, personally, I don't think the motives really matter. What they do and the actions they take are more important.
Just because someone's out to make money doesn't diminish the fact that they've helped people in the process

@Manea Andrei It showed both sides mate. There were just idiots making shit worse and trying to make a quick buck, ironically one of those was Lloyd's own dad which is sad enough, and there were genuine heroes who tried their very best to help him. The journo especially. He was just supposed to report on the story. What he did instead was not only talk directly to the trapped man himself and scored a huge rapport, but he also really did try to help him. He was a journalist, but a human first and he tried to help his fellow man.

It's a bittersweet story. Just like life. And that's what makes it beautiful.

@Manea Andrei "Vast majority"? Who exactly was trying to save him simply for profit? Do tell.

And then you reach the part about mob mentality and trolls faking the telegram and lose that faith all over again.

@Andrew Cottingham Well what I find funny is that they almost had him, just a bit more planning beforehand, or trying to get better equipment in advance would have removed the rock, but hindsight demands a sacrifice and I like to think these gruesome tales prevent other incidents like this from occurring, sometimes at least.

And then it subsequently teaches us that no matter how hard we try, we can still fail and die in a dark hole, alone. And that ultimately at the moment we reach eternity we will be alone, no matter how many love ones are close to us and fighting for us.

@Andrew Cottingham His advice was shit, too.

@Eric Oakes The vast majority of people in this story didn't help unless they could profit in some way or actively made things worse. If you want to see it as a story about how everyone got together to help someone in need that's cool, I honestly envy that. For me this showed a lot more of the ugly side of humanity. Loved the story tho, really well made video made it better. I guess what im getting at is that people can take away different things about a story like this and still enjoy it, its not a problem.

On the other hand many people made profit from his tragedy so...

It’s fascinating to me how humans instincts is to think of themselves and not the victim. When Homer first got out of the cave and saw the crowd of people, some doing news, some bragging about how they’d be the one to save them….there’s so much internal competition before they can work together. Reminds me of Elon Musk offering to come in and help the Thai soccer team that got trapped and when his advice wasn’t heeded he called one of the guys a pedophile. It feels good when enough humans can put that crap aside to work together and accomplish something unimaginable

Faith in humanity restored...until it gets ripped out of your ass again when you get to what people did to him after he died.


Holy fuck at the people not able to just leave the dude alone.


Can we all take a moment to just remember the man, Floyd Collins.

The cave tried to keep him and so did the bastards trying to make money off of his ledgend, times change, people forget.

He was in that cave for over 16 days, and left their to rot a for over 16 years but he made it out.

The video was great but never forget it was about a man's life and a man's death.

R.I.P Floyd collins.

Immortal in memory.

The original Floyd in the headlines. At least he wasn't a criminal.

@Stormborn Apostle he  def didn't win a darwin award for once.

Well i would argue Floyd got what he wanted after all... Tourists showed up like mad to his cave

That goes to show if you really believe and work hard on your goal, you will achieve it!

..but at what cost? are you willing to pay the price? that is the question!

@Rocket Racoon They buried him in his casket in the cave but family members wanted him buried properly  so they removed him and buried him at Mammoth Cave Baptist Church Cemetery

@Average tallnut enjoyer maybe I guess, I just watched it and I don't know maybe having the same second name made me really care about what happened, felt kinda personal aha

@TheBangooman I never said he was a hero did I, I simply feel like its important to remember that although it's essentially a comedy video a man died, it was about money he was trying to better his situation and he got into an accident, of course it was dangerous but at least he had a decent reason.

Just feel like it kinda glossed over how horrible it must have been for the guy and the people that cared about him watching him slowly die.

I was just saying the ledgend will live on forever immortalised on YouTube and that hopefully he's now resting in peace not in some chained up coffin in the horrible place he died.

@TheBangooman He had the balls to follow his life's ambitions, despite it being dirty and dangerous.

What have YOU done with your life, hon?

@TheBangooman At what point did the comment call him a hero? They just simply stated that a person who went through such an awful situation such as his shouldn’t be forgotten.

In what way is a guy who puts himself in that situation, therefore forcing others to take that risk just for a shot at saving hin, is a hero?
I feel sorry for any person who has to go through something so horrible, but I ain't about to glorify what is essentially an idiot.
And before anyone tells me he did it cus money blah blah. No one was going in there even for a rescue, so I have a hard time believing they'd flock in and pay to navigate it. Guy was fucking silly and died a horrible, silly death.

I read they got his body out like two months later, what do you mean 16 years?


first time a video has told me what brightness i should be on


There is a post story with Miller. In 1954, he went back to the Sand cave with 32 other explorers and scientist to rediscover the Crystal cave that Floyd discovered. They found it and explored it for a week.

That man was haunted by that experience. He came to Cave City as just one of many of the press. But he left as much a brother to Floyd as Homer was. He was never the same again.

@Skyless Noob its story in a old newspaper in the 1950s. Its also recorded in Wikipedia.

Can't believe he didn't include this. I was wondering about it the whole time.

YES! OH MY GOD, I COULD CRY.

Okay no seriously: the idea that no one would ever discover what he originally wanted to do in Sand Cave upset me to no end, but the fact that Miller did it (he's my favorite person in this event) makes me unreasonably happy. Thank for sharing this; I was about to google him to make sure.


Jesus Christ almighty, most of us couldn't even fathom of what Floyd must've felt during all this time being stuck down there in the cold, narrow and wet. Even the tought of this punches me in the stomach. But what was especially disgusting was how all the people except those who were actively helping him acted during the whole ordeal. They were practically treating his hellish torment as an attraction, literally acting as if they were forgetting that a human being is dying then and there below their feet. And that doesn't even stop there, even abusing his corpse for attraction, money and revenge. The hipocrisy of those people disgusted me the most. May no one ever again have to meet the same fate as Floyd.

@Something Lame <br>Really stupid takeaway

@Greasey ahh yes who wouldn’t want to give their life for a news spot 😮💨

That one other guy who died because he went into a very narrow cave entrance and got stock. Yes, he died even though they tried to save him and it seemed possible. He was just really stock in there, and his head was pointing inwards. He was in too deep; just in site but out of reach.

Sadly, it's one of the thousands of cases of human immorality that actually got famous because of a journalist.

At least Floyd had national attention and headline news.  John Jones had it worse.


Ось це я розумію годний контент. Тупа топ

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I'm truly appalled at how people treated this whole debacle at the time. A man was trapped in the cold and the dark, alone, for hundreds of hours. His family, his friends, and numerous kind strangers desperately tried to save him that entire time, but the rest of the country treated it like a literal theme park, a way to make money and a source of entertainment. They milled around outside the cave, doing nothing to help and actively making things worse by destabilizing the cave.
Even after he was found dead people still tried to make money and fun off of his suffering, lining up to ogle at his corpse. Miller is an impressive exception, he came to the cave for the story but stayed for the man, and in the end, refused the notion that Floyd's life could be traded for coin.
A fantastic retelling of the story as always IH, well done indeed.

No one actually can care about an individual beyond the 200 of his closest friends.  This is just a fact of human relations.  Look up "Dunbar's number"

@Jacky138 Definitely. We have the internet nowadays to contain our most psychotic content addictions, but we still treat tragedy and human suffering as entertainment like our ancestors- just from the comfort of our own home. The obsession to make money off of every crisis is still alive and kicking as well- (scalpers buying up Covid supplies for instance) I think if you took the percentages of people who either: stay out of it, obsess over it, make money off of it, or help; from then and now they would be the same.<br>For as much as the world has changed in 100 years, we’re all still stuck in 1920s Kentucky.

@Jacky138 Definitely. We have the internet nowadays to contain our most psychotic content addictions, but we still treat tragedy and human suffering as entertainment like our ancestors- just from the comfort of our own home. The obsession to make money off of every crisis is still alive and kicking as well- (scalpers buying up Covid supplies for instance) I think if you took the percentages of people who either: stay out of it, obsess over it, make money off of it, or help; from then and now they would be the same.
For as much as the world has changed in 100 years, we’re all still stuck in 1920s Kentucky.

@Jacky138 boomers and liberalists, not decent folk

That was the same era that people treat public executions and lynching as social gathering spots.

......People in modern time are probably still gonna do that if those were still available, now that I think of it.

Just humans doing what we do best, care with all of our heart and all our pockets

most people couldnt comprehend how serious the situation was and thought the whole thing would be done in a few days

@Hollister he isnt talking about going in there, he is talking about the people selling food and entertainment outside

The Internet before the Internet was a thing

well, yeah. such people are always found - callous opportunists who flock to any situation. But I'd say it isn't exactly accurate to characterize all of society by their choices. I'd say it's just good to have stories like this one that remind everyone that they TOO very much exist, so it is easier for people to spot them in the wild.

@Hollister Not personally risking your life for a total stranger is a bit more understandable than treating his suffering and death like a day at the amusement park....  what are you even talking about?

dont let it distract from the bravery of the men who risked their lives trying to save someone they didn't even know

@Denjidenji  buddy, I promise you once you see that turnaround and tight squeeze, you’d shat ur pants and send “thoughts & prayers” like everyone else. Witcho goofy asses😂 I know that, because I would’ve done the exact same thing.

@Sly Marbo Man, you're assuming a whole lotta things here. Yes, people have that sort of instinctual morbid curiosity. But let me assure, a LOT of people wouldn't go there to just stand around and treat it like a theme park. Not everyone is the same

You would do the same thing, and pretending you're above that entirely shows a disconnect from the worst parts of you and all people. A disconnect that makes it easier for those awful instincts to come out.

I watched another video abt this on another channel, unfortunately I got memory like a goldfish so don't remember which one, this guy a bit more funny but the other vid was very touching

@Aaron Coombs Land of the Capitalism! Also, Love you Internet stranger!


My husband was dismayed that this video was over a hour long. I told him we could stop when he was tired 😂
But once he was hooked in to this excellent story telling wonder, time flew by. All was well…
Thank you internet Historian.

@ochiai it's called having banger content

@Tyrone Prime The “Internet Historian effect”


Whatever lies for Floyd after his death, I hope he finds peace. For Miller and Gerald I hope they were able to let go of the guilt. As for the man who sold his body for tourist traps, I hope the devil has a special place in hell for them.

@Genesis Plus this sounds like your mad. maybe take a break dude. have a good one

@Universal Traveler 09 Whatever, dude. You can say "I hope [bad person] goes to Hell for clout and likes but you're preaching to the choir, everybody wants this guy to go to hell and you don't have to lash out at somebody just because they gave you what you were fishing for when you made the comment... Affirmation.

Nah man, the Devil doesn't get to decide shit, giving him control over Hell would be giving him a position of power, which would be like a reward for what he's done. Nobody needs to be in charge of punishing people in Hell, it's a punishment just to be there. Also, it says in the Bible (paraphrasing here) that the worse your crimes are, the worse Hell is, so you don't have to worry about that guy not being uncomfortable enough in Hell, his crimes will make sure he is punished accordingly.

Connection terminated. I'm sorry Elizabeth, if you even remember that name, but I'm afraid you've been misinformed.

Agreed. I would pray he had peace, or at least his body caused him to lose consciousness until he passed on. It's definitely a tragedy. At the same time the world could use more adventurers like him.

@mllop aeet if anything the real faces but paper dolls look makes it more sad and creepy

just virtual paper dolls moving around and yet the execution of this video is so good


Lol did anyone notice the cast of peaky blinders looking on 43:16


First the story was depressing, then uplifting and then depressing again, what a rollercoaster.

Poor William

@A. Ducky yeah but I mean books aren't all the same. A history book is not the same as a book written by an author telling a story of the event. Like you can write a story with nothing but literal details and call it a history book. But if you write a story with historical events that put you into the experience of the event, its a GOOD story.

@CircumcisionIsChildAbuse
Pause every time you see small text on the bottom.. and also look in the top left corner of the screen.  I'd assume there's something in the description but haven't checked.  Usually, he puts most of it on screen.

Also...what else but books are we to rely on when telling any historical event?  🤔

And the whole fixated thing.. I'm 45.  I'm not one of the 15sec attention span.  Still love the video and think it's a masterpiece.

@A. Ducky that being said, he's also relying heavily on already written books and writers on the subject, his interpretation of them are definitely unique though. I want to make sure proper credit is given the original writers. IH does a good job reinvigorating the old stories and make them exciting to a modern viewer.

The video and animation helps because of how visually fixated people are nowadays. It would actually be nice to know which books he is using to reference the story.

It's a mark of a good story teller / movie maker that they can elicit an emotional response from the viewer.  He illicits seventeen in one video ("Gentleman Pirate" also comes to mind) while having us learn something we never would have known otherwise, and now will remember forever coz of the peculiar way he tells it.. even mixing laughs in such a sad hopeless situation.

Historian indeed. Chef's kiss kind.

If anything it showed me the human spirit at its purest form. Stage one, accepting the objective gravity of mortality, stage two, utterly ignting that objectivity to give it 110%, and than stage 3, the vultures set in to pick the corpse clean. <br>Never under estimate the power of the human spirit, also never under estimate how little some people have. The psychopaths, the narcissists, they exist and they will sap the human spirit and milk it for everything its worth. Including making money off of a tragedy.

If anything it showed me the human spirit at its purest form. Stage one, accepting the objective gravity of mortality, stage two, utterly ignting that objectivity to give it 110%, and than stage 3, the vultures set in to pick the corpse clean.
Never under estimate the power of the human spirit, also never under estimate how little some people have. The psychopaths, the narcissists, they exist and they will sap the human spirit and milk it for everything its worth. Including making money off of a tragedy.


What a heartbreaking story, honestly... damn. Dude didn't deserve to go through all that.

@ashrasmun yeah you spend 15 fucking days in a wet pitch black hole where you can barely breathe, have a sharp rock stabbing into you and slowly losing bodyheat

@WoahFlamingo So what? No matter the context, the idea of going into such a cave is insane, no matter the circumstances. If going to a cave was a good idea, most of the people would do that.

No, he totally deserved to go through all of that. It was an insane thing to go there. Noone in their right mind goes into caves, especially that tight. He fiddled with death and it struck back.

@Fareflight sorry I thought sand cave happened in 1932

@WoahFlamingo It wasn't the great depression. This was in the 20's, an economic boom period.

I hate that this comment got liked so much that it spoiled the ending for me. I guess it's my bad I looked here before I watched the video.

I know people that do 6inch squeezes, I myself can't do below 11 inches because I'm huge.

@Vex Delta mb thought sand cave disaster took place in 32'

@WoahFlamingo 1925 isn't the great depression

Some of you really going to tell us that a dead man who suffered to do what he loves, expose the wonders to the world, and never gave up that it was a stupid idea. Forgive me now or later for saying this please but I hope you find yourself in a scenario where you need as much help as he did, and get rejected because your actions were "stupid of you."

@Matthew M. S., CFP for some reason the funniest comment I've read in a while

Man just wanted more people to see the beautiful parts of earth that we just walk above every day

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Guess those few dollars wasn't worth it huh? Remember that before squeezing into anything other then poon. Even then use caution

@UltraspinalKI of course you'd say that with hindsight

@UltraspinalKI" he simply should not have taken a risky business venture" in the middle of the fucking great depression, known for making people desperate for money.

I do caving and nowdays we have like... basic safety procedure that prevents all of this stuff.

He should have simply not gone into such a risky narrow cave passage in the first place. He knew the risks and he still took it.