I’m surprised you also didn’t mention how ruthlessly bullied Judy was by all her other co-stars and actors. Big egos who couldn’t accept a “little girl” being the main star, so they’d treat her like shit. The only person on set who was nice to her, the only friend she made, was ironically the one who played the witch.
@King Of The Sandbox there's no "understandable frustration" for vicious bullying. next you'll say the disgusting munchkin actors were right to harass her because she wore a dress.
@Who Dat Ninja did you not read my comment man. I said it's not right. Understandable frustration in the sense that's its not senseless anger. That doesn't make it right but I wouldn't call it senseless. You are implying I think the abuse was ok or acceptable. Which is absolutely not the case. Do not put words in my mouth
@Who Dat Ninja Just because you understand why someone did something doesn't mean that you believe what they did is justified. Evil doesn't have to be an enigma
@Who Dat Ninja theres a difference between “understandable” and “justifiable”, just because you can understand the reasoning behind the actor’s actions doesn’t mean you agree with them
I'm guessing that the mention of bullying wouldn't fly well with the algorithm even in context although yea that could have been alluded to. I think it's about more than just the terrible set though. It's about how through time people have suffered and created art and the art is remembered as well as how societies rise and fall and people come and go. I really enjoyed this.
I didn't say 2+2 tho. "Putting two and two" together is an expression meant for figuring something out. What I did say was a+b=c meaning that when you look at two separate things and put them together to get a conclusion. Which is what everyone here was talking about.
@Last Man Standing Yes, but you seemed to miss that I was pointing out that coming to the conclusion A+B = C isn"t just understanding an equation, it is also validating it. I still think it isn't that great of a comparison to make for this context
Really because that's just a physical representation of what happens in our brain. When I add one apple to another I now got two apples. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm justifying the fact I stole one. I just got two apples. It's a conclusion mate. I don't know how else you are supposed to understand things without it.
Another example is when the investigation into a murder is done. One of the things that are figured out is motive. How do you do that? Oh, you put clues and context together. Wait a second that sounds familiar. So, I'm basically putting two and two together to figure out the motive. Does that mean when I figure out the motive for the murder I've justified it or thaf I've simply understood the reason behind it?
@Who Dat Ninja Considering the environment that actors in the 30s worked with, vicious bullying was the least of her problems. How about the physical abuse of the director and the near deadly conditions?
@exzisd tbh the algorithm can be unpredictable and can make no sense whatsoever, but I feel like this video would still get fucked for mentioning even the words “drugs” “death” “toxin”’
@Who Dat Ninja Case in point. Angel of Death by Slayer. They understood the atrocities of the holocaust, and made art with that understanding, not once in the song or in interviews did they say the holocaust was justifiable/justified. You're doing exactly what Christian's did, saying understanding = acceptance/agreeance. Gtfo.
Judy wasn't bullied by anybody; they all found her charming and amazingly bright and talented. Margaret Hamilton has said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter." Jack Haley described her as "born to brilliance."
Ray Bolger was totally enchanted by her and was especially impressed with how smart she was; she recited Poe's "The Raven" for him, and when the movie was finished, he made her a gift of a first edition wood cut of the poem.
Meinhardt Raabe, who played the Munchkin Coroner, spoke on behalf of his fellow Little People when he said of Judy, “We were treated as equals by her. She would sit down on the steps on the set with the rest of us and chat every day.”
@MaskedMan66 Oh yeah, sure bro. Trust the words of the bullies and harassers more than the person who was bullied and sexually harassed. Classic enabler.
@ThatRipOff You're the one under a mistaken impression if you think all of those men and women who have always had nothing but praise for Judy are in some way "bullies" and "sexual harassers." You need to shift that paradigm.
You also need to prove that Judy herself ever made any such accusations about anyone with whom she worked on that film, especially considering that she was friends with them ever afterward.
Does this look like someone who was "bullied" and one of her "harassers?"
@MaskedMan66 what you said is the way I've always heard to. I've heard the producers and director treated her bad. Mainly the control and who knows what to get the role by the studio and producers, but never by the other actors.
@MaskedMan66 already at 1:20 in that video she's referencing "the little fat girl" that they called her. obvious trauma from bullying. sick evidence that counters exactly what you're saying
@Mode They can, and they can also just be self-deprecating jokes. In any case, nobody involved in "Wizard" caused Judy any trauma; on the contrary, she found a second family in that cast and crew.
@Scott Fleenor There was only one producer on "Wizard," namely Mervyn LeRoy, and the whole reason Judy was cast as Dorothy was because he was a big fan of hers and knew she could knock it out of the park. Other people weren't sure, since she'd only been with MGM for three years, but LeRoy was adamant and eventually she of course got the part. So if he campaigned that mightily to get her to star in his movie, he wasn't about to mistreat her, or to let anyone else mistreat her.
@Mode The crew had nothing to do with anything; it was her mother who introduced her to amphetamines and barbiturates-- which, at the time, were regarded merely as medicine-- when Judy was 13. She didn't use them on a daily basis by any means, and only became an addict in adulthood.
@MaskedMan66 first of all, she said that, not me. And second, I actually give a shit about little people and had I been making this, priority #1 would’ve been to make sure the munchkins weren’t mistreated. Hell! I haven’t even seen game of thrones yet and I’m already rooting for Peter Dinklage to survive.
@James Green First of all, no she didn't. Second, the Singer Midgets weren't mistreated.
And I'll add a third: read these books and learn what really did-- and didn't-- go on behind the scenes. They are "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@Kyle Donahue Thank you. Well, if you define a scholar as one who schools himself in a subject, then yes, I am a scholar. I'm a big fan of Oz in general, starting with the books and going on to the various adaptations. 🙂
@nic magtaan She may not have had a painful costume, but she was forced to smoke 80 cigarettes a day and was also drugged and sexuaIIy assaulted on set.
@MaskedMan66 what about the wicked witch who was put in dangerous stunts, and had her skin turned green? What about her stunt double who could of easily lost her life? What about the conditions the lion or scarecrow were put through? What about the tin man’s first actor who was thrown to the side the moment he had problems medically? This doesn’t seem like a good set at all. And you haven’t provided any sources yet to back up your claims.
@Nate Box She didn't "have her skin turned green," she had green make-up put on. The exit from the Munchkin City wasn't meant to be a stunt, but the pyrotechnics went off too soon. That's what you call your basic accident.
"Conditions the lion or scarecrow were put through?" You mean wearing hot and uncomfortable costumes and make-up? Welcome to the wonderful world of acting! Actors have had to do that for centuries. They still do.
Buddy Ebsen was not "thrown to the side," he was released from the project because he couldn't continue; they certainly weren't going to make him work in his condition. Of course, when he'd recovered, MGM cast him in two more movies to make up for the inconvenience he'd gone through.
I have indeed provided sources; look for the titles of the three books I've been talking about, and indeed from which I've gotten all the info I've shared.
@I couldn't think of a username Wrong on all counts. She was an anti-smoker at that time in her life, and the only medicinal preparation she used while making the film was an appetite suppressant she took at night before bed. She was not sexually assaulted anywhere, let alone on the set where there were at any given time dozens of people putting things together and working to get the day's assignments done on schedule.
@MaskedMan66 damn, you almost sound like you've been in the set to know 😧 C'mon, people lie about everything nowadays just to seem good. Also, wearing a 100lb hot costume in a already hot set isn't something people do today, CGI is used for almost everything, even spider man's mask in no way home. A MASK. No one would dare put something like that on someone again, just use CGI and you're all good. But either way, you're entitled to your opinion lol, believe in what you want to believe.
@isa Anybody can know anything about any movie (or any event of any kind) by reading the words and experiences of the people who were there.
People also tell the truth, not just nowadays (which doesn't apply to the cast and crew of Wizard anyway), but at any time in the past.
I didn't specify set temperature or costume weight, nor did I restrict it to movies; I was talking about hot and uncomfortable costumes when I said, "Actors have had to do that for centuries. They still do." And as far as movies go, you bet they still do. Joonas Suotamo didn't wear a CGI Chewbacca costume in the last four Star Wars movies, he wore a real one. Likewise Anthony Daniels still got put into the fiberglass See-Threepio suit. Actors in stage productions and theme parks still wear very large and elaborate costumes depending on just what and who they are bringing to life. You've no doubt heard of men who will wear full armor in the heat of high summer at renaissance fairs and joust and do battle with one another.
And all that "opinion" and "believe what you want to believe" talk is pointless when discussing the truth.
@MaskedMan66 what I meant about "believing" is believing the video or believing your sources. Everything that's on the video was said by the people who we're actually there, and you're here telling otherwise 💀 either way, i don't have enough patient to talk to you lol, go be a a truth teller no one asked for.
@isa I'm sure that the maker of this video didn't speak to 48 actors and crew who worked on the movie. Aljean Harmetz did, in preparation for her book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz," which was published in 1977 with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, who praised Mrs. Harmetz's research as a "staggering accomplishment" and referred to the book as "a well of information."
The maker of this video would have done well to draw from that well, as well as from the books on the film by John Fricke (one of the world's leading authorities on Oz and Judy Garland), Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman.
@Moon Knight Not sure about Lion, but Tin Man and Scarecrow especially… Judy once talked about how hard they would jostle and drag her around during the “off to see the wizard” bits when they locked arms and danced down the road.
@Moon Knight Nobody bullied Judy, so put your mind at rest. She was impossible to dislike, and everyone found her a great support in their difficulties with costumes and make-up. As Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter."
What? Margaret Hamilton, the actor who was also an elementary school teacher who cares for children and guest starred on both Sesame Street and Mister Rogers Neighborhood to show kids that the Wicked Witch wasn't as much of a one dimensional thug as the film went on, was the only co star that was treat Judie fair?
Funny how the wicked witch of the west, one of the evilest villains in cinema, was played by such a nice person. Margaret Hamilton was a former schoolteacher and cared deeply for children and often gave to charity and would be upset when children were scared of her simply because she played the witch.
@Trantor The Troll If by "rich and famous" you mean "a literal 16 y/o child in one of her first major acting roles who was abused and overworked, leading to a life of self-destructive habits and monumental amounts of pressure that would ultimately lead to her taking her own life" then sure. Good job, you sure showed her.
@ThatRipOff Tell me, what would a figurative sixteen year-old be? Judy was not abused or overworked; on the contrary, as a sixteen year-old, she was only allowed to work for four hours a day as per California child labor laws. The elements of her life which led to her decline were in the future yet.
@One. If you're asking the OP, he or she doesn't know that. It's a rumor that got started I know neither where nor when, because as is shown in Judy's later life and words, she loved everyone she worked with on that movie, and had indeed worked with some of them before (Billie Burke, Jack Haley, and Buddy Ebsen, to be exact).
They all loved her as well, mainly because it was impossible not to. "Judy was as lighthearted a person as I ever met," said Jack Haley in one interview. Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as thought the lights got brighter."
@ThatRipOff "Judy once talked about how hard they would jostle and drag her around..."
Judy was making a joke. Jack Haley, who knew nothing like that ever happened, took her to task for it, she shot back, and they almost lost their decades-long friendship over it.
Shortly after watching this, I was given a school assignment to write about how drugs affected the life of a celebrity and how they got on the drug. I did Judy Garland inspired by the video and while everyone else did mostly rappers, everyone who asked me who I was doing would not know who she played. After looking deeper into her life, it somehow is even more tragic than shown here. I feel really bad for her
@Jacqueline Davis Why are you so hostile to the truth? You'd think people would be glad to know that all the guff about Judy being victimized on this picture is not true.
@Garrtoons She was not sexually harassed. Luft was Judy's third husband and was not a part of her life when she made "Wizard." He regurgitated a lot of bigoted lies in his "memoir" because he knew that scandal sells.
His and Judy's children Lorna and Joey, on the other hand, were great supporters of the Singer Midgets and worked with their surviving members for as long as those Little People lived to clear up the bad reports. As Lorna Luft has said about the Singer Midgets' alleged mistreatment of her mother, "That didn’t happen. They would have never, ever risked their careers, their once chance to be in a film."
@Garrtoons Glad not to disappoint, but I'm here a lot, you know. Wherever the truth needs to be told, I'm there like Dr. K. Besides, I'm not the only one these days.
@Garrtoons this man has been commenting none-sense for well over a month at this point, your better off gawking at his Chewbacca videos where random people in the comments say "ew" and he calls them "anti-chewbacca racists" negating the fact that its not racist to be weirded out by some random dude dressed up as chewy making a bunch of special occasion greeting videos.
edit: since youtube mobile shows how many comments a person made on a yt channel, 354 fucking comments most recent being from this specific video.
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@Garrtoons exactly plus many of the books glamorize and ignore the issues the actors faced on-set, plus sighting books that bootlick MGM is laughable for the dude.
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In a men’s society where physical health and strength are the standards we are measured against, he was looked down upon.
I thought that he’d be frustrated and rebellious, with an inferiority complex simmering under the surface.
That he held the same dreams and desires as me, that he was someone who would come running toward the same goal.
So I thought I understood his feelings. To my embarrassment, I was mistaken.
I thought he would sympathize with and support me, and fight by my side… So when I was admitted to the hospital for my condition, I had him do what I wanted while I was unable to move.
And what I wanted was to bring revolution to Yumenosaki and the idol industry. For that purpose, I had to squeeze out the pus and disease and dispose of them.
At that time, I was in and out of the hospital, so it was a lot of trouble trying to do everything myself.
It was my first trial, as something that no one had tried before… And I didn’t have much confidence in it, so I had him give it a go first.
While indoctrinating him with half-truths, I used the student council, created new plans…
And from both on the surface and behind the scenes, I secretly tried to control him.
That trial went well, for the most part.
I broke up the swollen Chess, used Judgment to remove the ill, affected areas… used Duel to kill off enemies, the disease attacking from outside.
Judgment was put down as J, Duel as D, and any other DreamFes were labelled as O…
For convenience, I separated them by alphabetic letters on the student council’s paperwork.
The remnants of that alphabetic management system are why even now DreamFes are officially called S1, A1, and the like.
Well, I digress.
The point is, DreamFes around that time was still just an experiment… It was still an unpolished prototype, so there was no guarantee it would work as I’d expected.
So to take the responsibility of possible failure off me, I fixed someone else at the center of it. In other words, that someone was Tsukinaga-kun.
He was my stand-in protagonist. Thanks to him, I managed to collect a considerable amount of practical data and removed quite a bit of pus from the school.
Of course, we may call it a war or something along those lines, but there were no actual casualties.
The defeated continued on with their carefree lives, but in the later revolution, I made them my supporters.
Tsukinaga-kun continued his steady growth beyond my expectations, and his strength grew far too great…
So to put an end to all of that, I held Checkmate after my condition stabilized.
Checkmate… It was only DreamFes in history to be labelled with the letter C, and became the point at which the path split.
After that, the protagonist changed. I went into action, moving along our plan to conquer the Five Oddballs.
Tsukinaga-kun had exhausted his role. It was clear he was on the verge of a decline.
As he defeated his former comrades, one after another, he soon became resented by everyone and could no longer triumph in DreamFes battles…
But even then, he would cry justice, like Don Quixote, as he continued to fight the villains.
We were concerned with essentially the same things, so there were times when we fought together, too.
However, that relationship didn’t last long, either.
After all, he could probably guess what I’d been planning. He’d say something like “You’re the mastermind, huh~”, and challenge me on many occasions. Either way, I shot back.
He’d already been driven into a corner by then, and no one would stop to listen to the words of a bygone hero, now despised and ostracized.
In fact, people would gather around me in sympathy, telling me how bad they felt hearing such strange things being said to me.
I took advantage of every one of his actions to kindle the fire of my revolution. He burned up, disappeared… and everything went just as I had planned.
Just like the foolish naked king, you all just embarrassed yourselves in letting yourselves be used. I do offer my condolences, though I suppose I’m the last person you’d want empathy from.
It was a war. Those who were deceived are at fault, and those who survived preside as justice.
Of course I felt terrible, but I continued to tell myself that… And I stood atop your remains.
At least this sacrifice wasn’t in vain… All I can do now is assert this.
@Cirrus You'd never even heard of the books I mentioned until I brought them up. How about you actually read them before declaring anything about them? Margaret Hamilton certainly enjoyed Aljean Harmetz's book, to which she added her unvarnished, unglamorized account of when she got burned.
@BedrockCastle777 "This man" is reporting what a woman and three other men discovered via decades of research and direct communication with the people who worked on the movie. Aljean Harmetz spoke with forty-eight people, cast and crew alike (including her own mother, who was in Wardrobe) for her book, which sugarcoats nothing.
@Cirrus You've never read the books, and before I'd mentioned them, I'm sure you were unaware of them. Not only do they relate what happened during production, but in Aljean Harmetz's book, Margaret Hamilton, Buddy Ebsen, and Betty Danko give their own accounts of what they dealt with.
@Mixalis zintis Incidentally, I'm flattered that y'all want to make this about me, but it isn't. It's about MGM's "The Wizard of Oz." Do keep to the topic at had.
@seya Diakite I'm not sure what you mean by "all of this." Judy was a born performer, and loved it. What she didn't love was being overworked, but that was after the success of "Wizard" made her a star.
@MaskedMan66 yeah but her mom allowed her to drug herself for showbusiness starting at a very young age. She once said her mom was the real wicked witch of the west. I know the wizard of oz is an amazing movie, but it ruined her life to death.
@seya Diakite The movie did not ruin Judy's life, other things did. If you follow her life, you'll see that she always looked back upon "Wizard" with fondness, and always spoke in the highest terms of the people with whom she worked. You'll also notice that she adopted "Over the Rainbow" as her personal theme song, a thing she would never have done if "Wizard" was at all a bad time or memory for her.
@MaskedMan66 they gave her pills to reduce her appetite and sleeping pills because she had long hours or production, and amphetamines. She grew a lot more addicted to it for the rest of her life.
@MaskedMan66 people who knew judy garland confirmed the facts. None of us here know what happend. Mickey Rooney, her late best friend and co-star, knew alot of things about her. Even her daughters and son, who are still alive today.
@MaskedMan66 what I meant by "all of this" is that her mom kept giving her energy and sleep pills for performances before she was even 10. She remembered her mom in her later life as the real wicked witch of the west.
@seya Diakite Wrong. Ethel Gumm introduced her daughters to amphetamines (not to be confused with methamphetamine, which Judy never used in her life) and barbiturates when Judy was 13. They were not "recreational substances," but medicines, and the harmful effects had not yet been catalogued.
Judy used neither while working on "Wizard" since her work day was only four hours, half the length of everyone else's.
@Lordi I'm flattered that you want to make this all about me, but it isn't. The facts about this movie, accessible in the books I've listed, are available for anyone to read. Find them and read them yourself, and learn a few things.
@Lordi If people were spreading misinformation and indeed lies about a subject on which you were well-informed, you would want them to have the facts as well. That's not being "triggered," that's being helpful.
@MaskedMan66 if you are so sure on giving real information why arent you giving links to sources of youre information yet, everyone knows correct info can be hard to find on the internet so why not share the links you have so we can all know the real information on this
@Datbanan I've been giving my sources all along, namely the three most authoritative books that have been published about the movie: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
If you really want to know the story, you'll find it in those books. The good, the bad, and (most often) the mundane are all there.
@Laupis As Lorna Luft has said about the Singer Midgets' alleged mistreatment of her mother, "That didn’t happen. They would have never, ever risked their careers, their once chance to be in a film."
@yossarian If the "Mr. Rogers" episode wasn't banned, then I doubt the "Sesame Street" episode was. I understand there were other reasons as regards that. Miss Hamilton also played the WWW in a 1976 Halloween special starring comedian Paul Lynde.
@yossarian There's a video of her "Sesame Street" appearance here on YouTube. It was recorded by someone pointing a camera at the T.V., so the quality isn't that great, but it's something at least!
Miss Hamilton's stunt double Betty Danko had received worse scars when she was doubling for an actress in a comedy some years before Wizard; a mountain lion almost bit her foot off; she got 17 stitches as a result.
Betty Danko, who was the stuntwoman for Margaret Hamilton, had already received the worst on-the-job scars she ever had in her career, getting seventeen stitches after a mountain nearly bit off her left foot while she was doubling for the lead actress in a comedy.
You also receive countless videos explaining just how bad the set of the Wizard of Oz was and how hellish the actors/actress’ experiences on said set were.
@Certified Intellectual: James Taboo And most of those videos are full of exaggerations and even outright lies about what went down. To this very day, actors have to deal with uncomfortable costumes and make-up under hot studio lights or even hot locations. Think of Anthony Daniels encased in top-to-toe fiberglass out in the desert for the Star Wars movies. And unlike the hot lights in the Wizard of Oz sound stages, the sun can't be shut off every half hour for a break.
@Samuel Aviles I do, especially having read the authoritative books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Yeah, this was all the bad parts of Hollywood, but amplified to 10. Poor Judy was also extremely bullied by the other costars whom couldn’t stand the fact that the lead of the movie was a little girl and not them. She was bullied by the directors and executives, bullied by her costars, was starved by the diet they gave her, and forced to become addicted to amphetamines also. What a tragedy all around
@DemonicRemption What then would be your reaction to the news that Olivia Jackson (Milla Jovovich's stunt double on Resident Evil: The Final Chapter ) lost an arm filming a motorcycle sequence, or that David Holmes (Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ) is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong, or that actor Vic Morrow and child actresses Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen were killed by a crashing helicopter on location for Twilight Zone: The Movie? I could name you many, many more movies which were plagued by far worse things than ever happened to the cast and crew of The Wizard of Oz (and that's leaving out the exaggerations and lies that have often accompanied "reports" of that movie's production).
Oh well since you asked, here are the following reactions:
Olivia Jackson (Milla Jovovich's stunt double on Resident Evil: The Final Chapter ) lost an arm filming a motorcycle sequence<--- "WHOA! GOOD LORD!!! :O"
" David Holmes (Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ) is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong,"<--- "Oh my lord!!! O_O"
Vic Morrow and child actresses Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen were killed by a crashing helicopter on location for Twilight Zone: The Movie?<--- HOLY $H!T!!! :O
To think I wanted to work in Hollywood, I think I'll keep my distance from that house of mutilation and murder.
@MaskedMan66 yeah dude, I'm sure it would've gone well if the staff went around trash talking the bigwig executives from the monopoly that was MGM after they were mistreated. would've been fun trying to find a job after that !
@Vher Not with rival studios; they'd have been more than happy to have those great talents working for them. Besides, what "bigwig executives?" I was talking about the cast and crew and their kind words for each other.
This is why you see all these celebrities go nuts and fall off the wagon with drugs, booze and other self destructive behavior. How much abuse can you expect someone to take before they crack?
@tiru liru Hollywood began over a hundred years ago as a small suburb and an artistic community; the rot didn't set in until much later. Incidentally, one of Hollywood's earliest residents was L. Frank Baum, who indeed made some movies himself, two of them based on his Oz books.
Y'know looking at all this makes me think CGI was actually one of the best things to happen in the industry since the actors are never in danger from practical effects like they are here, quality be damned.
@MaskedMan66 There's a difference between "danger" from daily life and unnecessary, huge danger from a professional job that's supposed to make things as safe as possible.
@MaskedMan66 If it can be preventable, it's unnecessary. Sure, cooking is inherintly dangerous and you can get burned in the process, and stunt acting is an inherintly risky job doing risky maneuvers, but even in those you have to prevent danger as much as possible.
There's a difference between "stunt went wrong, injured my arm" and "stunt went wrong and I got burned alive" or "stunt went wrong and a huge explosion hit me, I also got alzheimer out of poisoning from my makeup".
That's why I don't get your comment Someone was just pointing out that "hey, CGI is good because it makes things less unnecessarily risky and dangerous things preventable" And you're just like "danger is a part of life", as if saying "I don't care about the safety of actors", even after watching what the potential consequences are.
@Meera System The Wicked Witch's exit from the Munchkin City wasn't meant to be a stunt. the way they had it worked out, the elevator would have Miss Hamilton under the stage before the flames went up, and the first time they did the shot, everything worked perfectly. It was in a later take that the fire went off too soon.
Miss Hamilton never raised a stink about it, dealt with her injuries, finished her job, had a ball playing the Wicked Witch, and was one of the movie's biggest fans for the rest of her life. That being the case, it's silly for anyone to virtue signal on her behalf.
Show me a medical report definitely linking her Alzheimer's to her make-up from half a century before, and we'll talk. And while you're at it, find out how the twenty or so actors who wore the same formulation on their faces fared later in life. If they all developed Alzheimer's as well, you might have a case.
This is more the fault of a greedy incompetent studio who put their actors in danger solely to cut cost and production. Putting the blame on practical effect as a whole is just shifting the blame. Workers rights and effects have come a long way since the 40s
@Draph Enjoyer Wrong. The accidents that happened were nothing but accidents. Are all industrial accidents to be blamed on "greedy, incompetent" bosses? Even with the greatest safety measures in place, things can still break loose. It's ludicrous to single out one movie and make it a poster child for a soapbox rant.
@MaskedMan66 Dude just admit people suffered. It’s a great movie, you’re not wrong for loving it. But you’re just idolizing an era of Hollywood that was much darker than it already is today.
@Seth I'm not idolizing anything; of course people suffered; Margaret Hamilton had the skin on the back of her right hand BURN OFF. OF COURSE people suffered.
But-- and this is the point-- the pain and discomfort they underwent was not deliberately done to them. They were just accidents like millions of accidents that have happened throughout moviemaking history-- and indeed human history in general. It was not part of some diabolical plot that MGM had against their performers.
@MaskedMan66 the issue is evil actions lies in banality, in turning a cheek. Like how copper paint was already known to be unhealthy for humans but they used it anyway. It doesn’t have to be “hey guys let’s damage all these workers on purpose!”, of course. Most of the time businessmen will simply say “I’ll just cut this corner here”, and then they don’t have to hear about the repercussions of their actions.
@Seth It wasn't "paint" like house paint. It was make-up, and copper had been in use for many years to effect a green color in the make-up. Neither Margaret Hamilton nor the many actors who played Winkies in the film suffered any lasting ill effects from their make-up.
Bear in mind that people also wear jewelry and other adornments made of copper and have done all right.
I've only spent 2 years as an actor so far and haven't even made it big yet I've already witnessed similar things. Directors, especially on a budget, are just as cruel as before, the pressure film directors have to endure turns them all into nutjobs disreguarding any human life but their own, I've seen a child actor almost get crippled due to questionable work ethics and insane schedules with no breaks. During the pandemic there was a complete disreguard for any safety measures, most of the crews would frequently be infected which put in danger elderly actors. Even nowadays with quality fake blood available for low prices, directors often prefers fight scenes to be real and the actors to sustain real injuries "because it feels more real".
Pretty sure nowadays practical effects arent operated by people that are drunk or high on set so they dont have a chance of exploding of malfunctioning like that.
@clawz161 Nor were they then; anyone who was would be fired. Actually, it's today's filmmakers you have to look out for; Bruce Willis hated working with Kevin Smith because Smith would always be off in a corner getting stoned.
@MaskedMan66 What drives your hundreds of comments on this video? I genuinely want to you what your motivation is as I don't really understand your motive, it seems like you just disagree with everyone deliberately but specifically about the wizard of OZ. Why? Genuinely asking
@Carl Jackson Like I already told you in another comment, it's nothing to do with agreement or disagreement. You might as well say that I "want" people to "agree with me" that two plus two equals four. That's a fact regardless of who you're hearing it from and whether you like it or not.
The facts about this movie, which are regularly twisted by people, including YouTubers, are given in their unvarnished truth in the books I also listed for you, and there are other reliable sources as well.
@MaskedMan66 it's kind off sad to see a person dedicating a segnificant portion of their year trying to "set the record straight" when the video they're in has already been straightened and does not need further explanations.
@RandomDude OnTheInternet No, just my spare time. And there's no need for quotation marks; I have set the record straight, thanks to Oz historians who did it before me. Whether the video is correct or not, many people invariably are not correct, and it's they who need telling.
If you don't like it, all you have to do is scroll on by.
@RandomDude OnTheInternet And don't tell me to "scroll on by," because (a) you'd just be parroting, and (b) where the truth is needed, I'll always stop.
@MaskedMan66 there's the kind of danger of wandering outside your house and possibly getting run over, and sitting down in the middle of a freeway because your director told you to.
I'd be interested in hearing how this is true for a couple of points. Feeding Judy Garland meth. Was that just normal practice at the time? The tinman being hospitalized for the makeup and then continuing to use it. Was it ignorance of the cause of the original tinman's hospitalization or was it arrogance? The makeup of the witch had copper in it which was known to be toxic upon ingestion. Putting it that close to her mouth seems a bit dangerous was this a common choice for the time? And lastly the cowardly lions suit being as heavy as it was. Was using an actual lions pelt and fur necessary or was it a consequence the executives chose, and possibly the actor, to be as genuine to a lion as they could be?
You seem to be strawmanning, no pun intended, here by saying that risk is risk. The issue of a risk factor is not black and white. There are levels of risk we calculate and make risk assessments. All of these complications are things we know about now, in hindsight, as carrying too much risk to use for a movie production. Did they know that then or were they acting in bad faith by pushing risk they were aware of onto their cast.
@Denglish5 Judy was not "fed meth." People mix up methamphetamine, which Judy never took in her life, with amphetamines, which she did take at various times for various reasons, but had no need of during the making of "Wizard."
Buddy Ebsen, the first actor cast as the Tin Woodman, had a bad reaction to his make-up, which consisted of a greasepaint base with aluminum powder dusted on top of it. The powder got into the air, and then into Ebsen's lungs, where it triggered a congenital bronchial condition and put him in hospital. Naturally, he could not continue, so he was released from the movie. His successor, Jack Haley, wore a reformulation of the make-up, which was now an aluminum paste.
It was the copper that made Margaret Hamilton's make-up-- and the make-up worn by all the Winkies-- green in the first place. Make-ups of all formulations have been put on people's mouths, and they have been smart enough not to eat it.
The costume designer, Adrian, decided upon the lion pelt when tests with other kinds of suits proved unsatisfactory. But as people have been wearing animal skins and fur and other bits all throughout human history, this really shouldn't be considered that big a deal. The weight of the suit (70 pounds according to most sources) came as much from the padding as the material.
Moviemaking is not a safe profession. Stage is not a safe profession. There are very few safe professions. And accidents happen, even when precautions are taken. Playing "coulda-shoulda-woulda," especially about something over which you have no possible influence, is a fruitless exercise. Best you should do what the cast and crew did: enjoy the movie and get on with life.
@MaskedMan66 I don’t think dismissing practical effects is the way to go, just because something could go wrong doesn’t mean it has to. Some of the most iconic artistic works have come from practical effects. Rick baker’s work in American werewolf in London, rob bottins work in the thing, the list goes on and on. Cgi can age but physical work lasts forever. Taking precautions and doing the work right is how it should be done not dismissing a way of working because it can be “scary”.
@Mr.Moist Sorry, who are you talking to? I never dismissed anything. FX is FX. There are tons of ways to achieve an effect, and there are good and bad-- and dated-- examples of all of them.
@MaskedMan66 This is a great response and is a satisfactory rebuttal to the concerns the video raises. I replied in hope that you would elaborate on the concept of "accidents are accidents". As i said risk is a spectrum and given this information, and some other minimal research i did on the side, it seems reasonable to me to make the claim that the production was not so much at fault for the accidents that happened on set but instead was just reasonably participating in the common practice of the time. Thank you for explaining.
@MaskedMan66 You know, I used to think he and I were the same. Seeing as how he was so small and slender, just like a girl…
In a men’s society where physical health and strength are the standards we are measured against, he was looked down upon.
I thought that he’d be frustrated and rebellious, with an inferiority complex simmering under the surface.
That he held the same dreams and desires as me, that he was someone who would come running toward the same goal.
So I thought I understood his feelings. To my embarrassment, I was mistaken.
I thought he would sympathize with and support me, and fight by my side… So when I was admitted to the hospital for my condition, I had him do what I wanted while I was unable to move.
And what I wanted was to bring revolution to Yumenosaki and the idol industry. For that purpose, I had to squeeze out the pus and disease and dispose of them.
At that time, I was in and out of the hospital, so it was a lot of trouble trying to do everything myself.
It was my first trial, as something that no one had tried before… And I didn’t have much confidence in it, so I had him give it a go first.
While indoctrinating him with half-truths, I used the student council, created new plans…
And from both on the surface and behind the scenes, I secretly tried to control him.
That trial went well, for the most part.
I broke up the swollen Chess, used Judgment to remove the ill, affected areas… used Duel to kill off enemies, the disease attacking from outside.
Judgment was put down as J, Duel as D, and any other DreamFes were labelled as O…
For convenience, I separated them by alphabetic letters on the student council’s paperwork.
The remnants of that alphabetic management system are why even now DreamFes are officially called S1, A1, and the like.
Well, I digress.
The point is, DreamFes around that time was still just an experiment… It was still an unpolished prototype, so there was no guarantee it would work as I’d expected.
So to take the responsibility of possible failure off me, I fixed someone else at the center of it. In other words, that someone was Tsukinaga-kun.
He was my stand-in protagonist. Thanks to him, I managed to collect a considerable amount of practical data and removed quite a bit of pus from the school.
Of course, we may call it a war or something along those lines, but there were no actual casualties.
The defeated continued on with their carefree lives, but in the later revolution, I made them my supporters.
Tsukinaga-kun continued his steady growth beyond my expectations, and his strength grew far too great…
So to put an end to all of that, I held Checkmate after my condition stabilized.
Checkmate… It was only DreamFes in history to be labelled with the letter C, and became the point at which the path split.
After that, the protagonist changed. I went into action, moving along our plan to conquer the Five Oddballs.
Tsukinaga-kun had exhausted his role. It was clear he was on the verge of a decline.
As he defeated his former comrades, one after another, he soon became resented by everyone and could no longer triumph in DreamFes battles…
But even then, he would cry justice, like Don Quixote, as he continued to fight the villains.
We were concerned with essentially the same things, so there were times when we fought together, too.
However, that relationship didn’t last long, either.
After all, he could probably guess what I’d been planning. He’d say something like “You’re the mastermind, huh~”, and challenge me on many occasions. Either way, I shot back.
He’d already been driven into a corner by then, and no one would stop to listen to the words of a bygone hero, now despised and ostracized.
In fact, people would gather around me in sympathy, telling me how bad they felt hearing such strange things being said to me.
I took advantage of every one of his actions to kindle the fire of my revolution. He burned up, disappeared… and everything went just as I had planned.
Just like the foolish naked king, you all just embarrassed yourselves in letting yourselves be used. I do offer my condolences, though I suppose I’m the last person you’d want empathy from.
It was a war. Those who were deceived are at fault, and those who survived preside as justice.
Of course I felt terrible, but I continued to tell myself that… And I stood atop your remains.
At least this sacrifice wasn’t in vain… All I can do now is assert this.
Even in schools there's a sense of danger. I got death threats by my peers simply because I had constructive criticism of what they were doing. They wanted to shoot me with bows.
@MaskedMan66 So let’s say a director for a movie in the 1930’s wants to make a movie and envisions a stunt that is a literal death trap, but won’t budge from their vision in their head because of costs and stubbornness. Because of this, it causes the deaths of the actors involved in the stunt. Would you call this hypothetical scenario an accident or a murder?
It depends. Safety standards of practical effects were GREATLY improved over time since Wizard of Oz. Modern practical effects safety standards make most practical effects no more dangerous than CGI.
Judy was not "fed meth." People mix up methamphetamine, which Judy never took in her life, with amphetamines, which she did take at various times for various reasons, but had no need of during the making of "Wizard."
Although Judy was not “fed meth”, amphetamines are also extremely addictive and should not be given to a 17-year-old in her developmental phase of life. I also can’t find anything on your statement about her not taking it during the making of the movie. Perhaps I’m wrong however as I’m not a huge fan of the movie.
“Buddy Ebsen, the first actor cast as the Tin Woodman, had a bad reaction to his make-up, which consisted of a greasepaint base with aluminum powder dusted on top of it. The powder got into the air, and then into Ebsen's lungs, where it triggered a congenital bronchial condition and put him in hospital. Naturally, he could not continue, so he was released from the movie. His successor, Jack Haley, wore a reformulation of the make-up, which was now an aluminum paste.”
A bad reaction does not properly describe someone inhaling aluminum powder. Aluminosis is almost guaranteed when inhaling it, and although it was relatively new information at the time, cases were found as early back as the 1930’s. I doubt they did him dirty on purpose, but more research could’ve been done to prevent it.
”The costume designer, Adrian, decided upon the lion pelt when tests with other kinds of suits proved unsatisfactory. But as people have been wearing animal skins and fur and other bits all throughout human history, this really shouldn't be considered that big a deal. The weight of the suit (70 pounds according to most sources) came as much from the padding as the material.”
Perhaps you didn’t watch the video but one of the first things mentioned was the use of intense lights. Animal skins was used for clothes because it keeps you WARM, and the weight of the costume certainly didn’t help.
“Moviemaking is not a safe profession. Stage is not a safe profession. There are very few safe professions. And accidents happen, even when precautions are taken. Playing "coulda-shoulda-woulda," especially about something over which you have no possible influence, is a fruitless exercise. Best you should do what the cast and crew did: enjoy the movie and get on with life.”
Ah, right, so because moviemaking is not a safe profession, which I disagree with, that means that you shouldn’t strive to give the actors and crew the best working conditions possible? That’s moronic. Everyone here is arguing that more precautions could have been taken. Six people out of the cast received major injuries which, even for the time, is unusually high. How do you explain that?
@MaskedMan66 I always like to remember that debates like these on the internet are going to be forgotten and it's just for laughs and giggles. Everyone goes back to their normal lives, if you have one.
@MaskedMan66 You seem to know a lot more about the movie than I. I just understand the science. We seem to have different views on how dangerous is too dangerous so let's just agree to disagree.
Sorry if I came off a little angry in my previous comment. Hearing the accidents presented in the video had me a tad emotional. Thank you for the debate.
@Harms It's not a matter for agreement or disagreement. Moviemaking has proven extremely dangerous for hundreds of people; the accidents that happened while "Wizard" was being made have, as I've illustrated, paled in comparison to the tragic and even fatal accidents reported from other films and T.V. shows right up to the present day.
There's danger in just about any industry; that's a given. What matters is getting the facts straight (and most often they're more mundane than people think), and also in how the people affected deal with what they've been through. People in general were much more resilient in the past then they are now.
Anyhow, I have enjoyed discussing with you as well; and I want to thank you foe keeping it on an adult level. :-)
@MaskedMan66 You definitely weren't, but you wanted it by chance. Believe what you want to believe, but it won't change the truth is what I always say.
@Alan Romo You misunderstand. I don't believe "my" truth. That's subjectivism. I'm talking about the objective truth, which would be the truth whether I accepted it or not.
@MaskedMan66 Social boundaries have been shattered. The argumentive state for conflict and differences has been reformed and revolutionized. Everyone has the same views on things, but don't at the same time. Morals are different, but the same. Everyone and everything are different, but the same. The same is different, but the different is same.
@Mario(lightnin) Yeah. But MaskedMan66 over here just had to complain and act like Hollywood was perfectly fine back in the past. While there's always risk to mostly everything, decreasing risk isn't a bad thing, especially for movie production. Thus is why CGI is such a good thing: it reduces the risks of actors going through such horrible things as explained in the video. You wouldn't have to worry about the chance of a pyrotechnic backfiring if it's purely CGI and won't have to dump dangerous material on actors or make ungodly heavy suits that cause fainting thanks to CGI doing both.
Hollywood is still a dangerous and toxic place, but it's much better now than it's ever been thanks to modern technology. Case closed.
MaskedMan here I bet wouldn't mind throwing himself into danger just to take a photograph.
@DaBluePittoo - Aqua Not complaining, just setting the record straight about one movie in particular, not even talking Hollywood in general. You want horrible things? How about Milla Jovovich's stunt double losing an arm while making "Resident Evil: The Final Chapter?" Or Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double ending up paralyzed while making "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows?" Or Vic Morrow and child actresses Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen getting killed while filming "Twilight Zone: The Movie?" Far worse things have happened with other movies, even ones that use CGI, than ever happened on "The Wizard of Oz," so stop singling it out as though it was some unique case.
@Gregory Mirabella She didn't sue MGM because she knew it would be useless. She said that herself to Aljean Harmetz, who quoted her in the book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz." At the same time, however, she did bear with the pain because she did enjoy playing the character. The burns on her hand were third degree, by the way, and her Alzheimer's was forty years in the future, and therefore irrelevant to the situation.
That's true, but I will say that studios (particularly anime studios) often treat animators like shit too, demanding they sacrifice their health and sanity to meet strict deadlines.
@Navi Sakura It has not though. No one actually proved him wrong. Everyone did just like you did : does not actually respond to any of his point, completely misconstrue any of his argument, insult and attack ad hominem. 90% of people that answered to him did it with bad faith.
@Mr.DirtyDan They had safety precautions, but the very nature of an accident is unpredictability. There were safety precautions on Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, but Olivia Jackson (Milla Jovovich's stunt double) still lost an arm. There were safety precautions on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, But David Holmes (Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double) still ended up paralyzed from the neck down.
@Mr.DirtyDan Working conditions were normal for a Technicolor picture, and I can deny that the cast were treated poorly. They got along well with Mervyn LeRoy and Victor Fleming.
@Mr.DirtyDan The filming day was eight hours long, and Judy Garland, being a minor, was only allowed to work for four of those hours. There were no drugs involved.
There are still injuries on movie sets and locations; most stunts are still handled by human beings, and they still get injured. Olivia Jackson lost an arm while filming a stunt for Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, and David Holmes is now paralyzed due to a stunt gone wrong during the making of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
@MaskedMan66 Thank you. At first I didn't understand your comments. I thought they were weird and that you didn't aknowledge the struggles of the actors. But I guess not everything is truly black and white. Acting on stage is indeed risky and dangerous. If we look at all the actual accidents, they were for the sake of the video exaggerated, dragging all the fault to the producers.
The actors themselves look back at it comicaly and I guess that's all it counts (asides from the tragic deaths).
People still get injured, and far worse than anyone did on Wizard. Olivia Jackson (stunt double to Milla Jovovich) lost an arm while shooting Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, and as a result of a stunt gone wrong during the making of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, David Holmes (stunt double to Daniel Radcliffe) is now a quadriplegic.
@MaskedMan66 I think the reason so many people are replying to you is because you seem to be discrediting the suffering that these actors went through, whether or not that was your intention that’s the feeling your replies gave off
@Ben I'm not sure what you mean by "discrediting"; that's a usage of that word I haven't run into. I don't deny they had their agonies; those hot lights were murder for everyone; actors and crew alike. That was why Victor Fleming had them switched off at regular intervals.
I think the main thing that people have to realize is that moviemaking was and is an uncomfortable business not for the faint of heart. Bearing that in mind, the hardships any cast and crew undergo are part of the job which they signed on for, and while there have been cases of actors who just couldn't take it (one case in point being Sal Mineo as Dr. Milo in Escape from the Planet of the Apes ), the majority of them are able to tough it out.
Kudos to the cast and crew of Wizard that they did just that.
If I cop gets shot on the job, yeah that’s a danger they knew was present, doesn’t mean we just accept it. This is such an ass take. An actor having a toxic subject applied to their skin that gives them memory issues, so that the public is .005% more convinced her skin is actually green is an unnecessary risk. CGI > unnecessary danger
@TheNopeAndNeverKing Okay, the toxicity of the copper lay only in that it could catch fire. It did not cause memory problems for Margaret Hamilton-- or, for that matter, any of the thirty or so actors who had the same make-up put on them for their roles as the Winkie Soldiers. Funny how everyone forgets about them.
(Come to that, how many people have you heard of who developed memory problems from wearing copper jewelry? How many coppersmiths have suffered from memory issues?)
As for the tint remaining on their skin for a short time afterwards, that is not uncommon to many kinds and shades of make-up. Miss Hamilton used to laugh at the recollection that she had to assure people that she wasn't ill.
There's a difference between practical effects and practical danger. Mad max had a ton of practical effects but not a single person was seriously injured.
@Mr Mora Nothing short of miraculous, then, because injuries on movie sets and locations are common, especially where there are lots of stunts and scenes of people fighting.
@MaskedMan66 The one near the top, about industrial accidents and greedy, incompetent bosses. Would be easier to tell if you weren't going 1 v 15 in competitive keyboard warrioring.
@Navi Sakura This is zilch to do with me. Everything I've written here comes from the people who did the legwork on this movie, and who, like Aljean Harmetz, spoke directly to the people who were there.
@MaskedMan66 practical will always be better. I personally dont like green screen ass movies. Cgi should only be used when practical isnt really possible.
@Pickle Odessey Jackie Chan used to be like that, but then he started listening to his body when it yelled at him, "我們不像以前那麼年輕了，我的孩子!" (We're not as young as we used to be, my boy!"
We can do it safely now, practical effects are cool and they're a lot of people's career. Good union jobs, making our movies better for the audience. It's being cut for money, not for anybody's safety
@Scabious They only used practical effects back in the day; after all, that's all there was.
As for nowadays, accidents still happen. Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2, is now paralyzed from the neck down because of a stunt that went wrong. Likewise, Milla Jovovich's stunt double lost an arm while filming a motorcycle chase for Resident Evil: The Final Chapter.
@MaskedMan66 I wish I knew more about SAG, I know unions were pretty tamped down in the late 30's early 40's in a lot of sectors, was SAG particularly strong so early in it's existence?
@MaskedMan66 Hmm, well, this is all very interesting but it hasn't convinced me to ditch practical effects for CGI when it's something that could be done practically
@Scabious FX is FX; it doesn't matter what method is used. I honestly don't understand why people have allowed their ideas about FX to stagnate and not move ahead.
@MaskedMan66 I agree with you philosophically, I'm not a luddite, but the fake blood that looks like PS2 graphics that I see in so much stuff if so clearly for budgetary reasons, don't try and act like this is just beyond people's comprehension. It's a lot cheaper, so who cares how it looks?
@tripplefivesmissing the point muppet, difference is you have to be in iraq type weather for it to be hot, otherwise its just weight, and the lion suit was surrounded by lights that make it iraq weather on top of the fur on top of 100lb+ weight...
The original Godzilla suit weighed 200lb and the actor’s sweat would pool up to the ankles. It took 3 hours to just put on the suit with no way to eat, drink or use the bathroom.
That was nothing for actors back then. Death and injury were common and actors were replaceable. Either you took the job or they got someone else to do it, and the depression meant that people were desperate for any amount of money.
A lot of people are saying that he did it for the fame but I don't think you realize how horrible working in Hollywood was back then. There were no unions and thus workers had no rights. Long shooting hours and drugs were common. Hell, the 1928 movie Noah and the great flood had 3 actors die on set and they kept their deaths in the film.
My mom's favorite film is Gone with the wind, and boy that movie makes what happened behind the scenes with the Wizard of Oz look tame. The black actors didn't like playing stereotypical slaves but they weren't allowed to complain or they'd be replaced. There are multiple scenes of characters slapping each other. Those slaps are real. Several actors left the set with hurt jaws. And to add the sugar on top, when the film won a Grammy the black actors couldn't go because they were black. I don't know why my mom likes it tbh. The film is about a sociopath who no one in-universe likes. All the actors hated their characters. And of course it romanticizes the old south. But ya know, at least it's not Birth of a Nation lol
@tripplefives Ahhhhh we all know the weight our boys carry is so high that it wrecks their knees and spines. Then, the VA shafts them. Some people get it. I'm disappointed a bunch of people in the comments don't know the way in which our Army and Marines give their knee function for their country haha..
It was more like 75 pounds, and it was simply a case of playing a character. Lahr didn't like the suit, but he dealt with it. What else does one do? He was not the first actor to wear a heavy, uncomfortable costume, and he most certainly was not the last.
Yea I was thinking about it.....I couldn't do it. I know I would be sitting there, sweating like crazy and the feeling of being weighed down and unable to fully open my mouth.....I would have a full on panic attack
@Daywalker373 He could open his mouth; all you have to do with watch the movie to see just how wide he could open his mouth! lol As for "sweating like crazy," thousands of actors have done that.
@gustavo godoy 70 pound lion suit with frequent breaks during the eight-hour day when the costume was opened, including being removed for lunch breaks. 40 degrees is only a few degrees above freezing.
@gustavo godoy Fair enough. Well, that was simply how things were in those days; air conditioning was in its very earliest days and rather rudimentary. But Victor Fleming ordered frequent breaks so that the lights could be shut off, the doors opened, and everyone could have a breather.
Actors were used to working under hot studio lights, but the lights required for Technicolor were brighter and therefore hotter. It was the same over on the "Gone With the Wind" set.
@Ronin Joe That's just how it was shooting a Technicolor movie. They just dealt with it; plus, Victor Fleming had the lights shut off and the doors opened at regular intervals so everyone could cool off and rest.
@Rainkit The Depression was over in 1933; things were good enough in 1939 that Hollywood was able to put out 365 movies, a record that has not been matched since.
The filming day on "Wizard" was eight hours, like any work day, and there were frequent breaks so people could rest while the lights were shut off.
Movies win Oscars, records win Grammys. And black actors could go, they just couldn't use the same entrance. But Hattie McDaniel had to be there to accept her award.
@lampini A 70 pound suit, which was quite enough. But other actors have been through worse things. At least they shut off the lights at regular intervals and Lahr got to open slats on his costume to cool off. Think of Anthony Daniels in the desert (can't shut that heat off) in a top-to-toe fiberglass suit.
@Chillin' the Feelin' Only in the sense that any uncomfortable situation may be described by the superlative "torture." Lots of people would describe their own jobs as "torture." But it isn't a case of their bosses deliberately putting them through discomfort.
@Faux actually calculating temperature you treat it as being +5C when looking at the outside temp and wearing a frag vest. So if it’s 25C and your wearing a frag vest your experiencing 30C weather conditions. Also metric>imperial preemptively saying it.
I remember being in a bunny suit for Easter because I was the Easter Bunny. It was very hot in that costume! Of course I only wore it for an hour. I can't imagine having to wear it for several hours a day like Bert Laur had done playing the Cowardly Lion!
@Melissa Cooper That's showbiz. People have worn heavier and much more uncomfortable costumes for movies and stage. And on "Wizard" they took frequent breaks during which slats were opened on the suit and Lahr could get his hands out; he was a "nervous type," as Ray Bolger once described him, and didn't like not being able to use his hands.
@Melissa Cooper I actually played the Cowardly Lion in a stage production of the MGM musical, and while my costume wasn't as heavy as Lahr's, I was always glad to stick my head out of the stage door during Intermission (we put the show on in February).
@Katie Exactly; in the first place, Lahr's suit was more like 70 pounds, which was quite enough, and comparable to Boris Karloff's Frankenstein Monster gear. Also, other actors have worn much heavier costumes in other films right up to the present day.
Being jobless in a country with little to no public service with culture of genrally not helping the poor at the time and loosing an opportunity to become a celebrity back when being one meant a lot isn't that good either, is it? I think what's even more tragic is that one can't say for sure if they wouldn't have done the same, nor that any of this could have been avoided back then
@James Green I don't know about vice versa, but I've met a lot of people who have played villains, and they've all been very nice people. A sample list is Dave Prowse, Jacqueline Pearce, and three portrayers of the Master from "Doctor Who," Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainley, and Eric Roberts.
@Melon Holmes smh When I said, "I don't know," I didn't mean I didn't know what he MEANT, I meant that I have no personal experience of meeting any rude people (and that's all you had to say) who had played heroes.
@Oceiano Maybe nowadays, when chronic selfishness has become the norm, but even now, and certainly back when Miss Hamilton was teaching, people actually wanted to learn.
I just realized.... she had a stunt double.... so why was she personally having to deal with the pyrotechnics shots... isn't that kind of thing the literal reason for a stunt double?
@Jennie Seiber Not in this case, because it wasn't meant to be a stunt.
The way it had been arranged and rehearsed, Miss Hamilton was to have been lowered by an elevator under the stage, after which the flames were to go up.
The first take, it went perfectly. Then everyone broke for lunch. Afterwards, things started going wrong. On one take, she was lowered under the stage, then the flames failed to ignite. On whichever take the accident happened, the flames went up too soon, while Miss Hamilton was still "in transit," as it were.
@HotWax93 Don't forget that one infamous episode of Sesame Street that she appeared in. It's said that because there were so many kids frightened by her, the episode had been banned since then, never to air again. But it's like, was it really that bad?
Women were pretty much teachers, nurses or secretaries and that's really it. Well, other than housewife/homemaker, anyway.
It's just strange thinking back to a time before we were born where STEM was not for women on any level. Be pretty but not too smart. They weren't less smart, they were just crazy overqualified for their professions.
Today's students no longer have truly gifted women because they go on to be researchers, doctors, engineers, etc.
@Michael Crockis Stunt doubles had been around since almost the beginning of movies; in fact, Margaret Hamilton's stunt double Betty Danko received her worst work-related injury on an earlier film where her left foot was almost bitten off by a mountain lion.
Ironically she was probably the sweetest individual on set, maybe outside of a young and ambitious Judy Garland, although I'm sure Garland had so much pain hidden inside from not only her poor self image, but the torturous conditions she endured.
@Hunter Bernard She didn't endure any "torturous conditions" apart from an uncomfortable corset she never complained about and the hot lights everybody had to deal with.
@MaskedMan66 By the time filming concluded in 1939 Garland was already addicted to amphetamines and barbiturates (or "pep pills" as the film producers called em). She remained an addict into adulthood, or essentially the rest of her life.
@MaskedMan66 I know what barbiturates are. Amphetamines are "pep pills".
I guess working only four hour days would make sense given the sheer amount of preparation behind the scenes, but that doesn't change the fact that the use of stimulants was encouraged by the producers. There are also reports that Garland's own mother introduced her to amphetamines at the age of 10.
@trevortornadoes122 Okay, in the first place, there was only one producer on "Wizard." He never recommended drugs for anybody. And when I said that Judy only worked for four hours, that didn't mean the rest of the cast and crew did; it was an eight-hour day, but Judy being a minor was only allowed to work half of that time. The rest was given to school with the on-set tutor and recreation, though I would guess that some of her recreation was sitting and watching the others at work.
Ethel Gumm introduced Judy to those meds (you spoke of both as being "pep pills") when she was thirteen. But they were not a daily thing.
@UChX06ZCNEiPKdEJjDE9SrVA Not knowing you from Adam, I don't see how.
All of those articles regurgitate the misconception/lie that Judy was required to use meds while working on "Wizard."
The Biography one was the worst. "Garland would endure excruciatingly long work hours." BS! She only worked for four hours a day, because she was a minor, and California child labor laws were very clear on that matter.
Judy's weight loss (which was really an attempt to lessen her mature curves) was brought about by a reduced food intake diet (which did include solid food) and exercise. Her stunt double Bobbie Koshay had been on the 1928 Olympic Swim team, and she took Judy on swimming excursions and hikes, as well as playing tennis and badminton with her. Judy was also not required to smoke, a practice she was against in her teens.
What people always get confused about is the time frame of when Judy's problems really started. When she made "Wizard," she was not yet a top-level star at MGM; in the first place, she'd only been there for three years. Mervyn LeRoy, the producer, was taking a gamble by putting her in the lead, but he knew she had the talent to do the role justice, and he would consider no-one else. "Wizard" was what made her a box office sensation, and it was after that that the studio decided they had to get her in front of the public as often as possible. That was when the overwork started, especially once she was old enough to where the child labor laws no longer applied.
For the real story, you need to read these books: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. The first two you'll probably need to hunt up, but the third is still in bookstores.
@MaskedMan66 You're right. Hollywood has always been a beautiful place and there has never been any mistreatment of actors and never been any scandals.
@trevortornadoes122 I'm just here to point out your fallacy. As much as I'd have preferred to agree with you throughout this thread, you had yet to source any valid argument and then ended up building and attacking a strawman.
I suppose I'd rather read than be wrong, yes. Ideally using a number of sources.
@trevortornadoes122 You're being really weirdly defensive right now. "Attacking a strawman" is just a turn of phrase, used to signal that you're no longer tackling the actual arguments at hand, but your own false construction thereof. I would, in fact, prefer to agree with you.
@Anon Had a feeling you'd make some wise-ass comment about me being defensive. How predictable.
Don't mind me asking what "my own false construction" of the argument that Judy Garland was encouraged to take meth by the studio is. I've cited five different sources to prove this and along with EmpLemon's video, also proves a larger point that Hollywood is a shady place and always has been regardless of what "Hollywood historians" tell you. Everything is valid.
Obviously you're not going to agree with me, but that's your free will.
@trevortornadoes122 Not when you said, "You're right. Hollywood has always been a beautiful place and there has never been any mistreatment of actors and never been any scandalsYou're right. Hollywood has always been a beautiful place and there has never been any mistreatment of actors and never been any scandals." That was addressed to me.
@That’s one smug wojak smh She was abused NEITHER verbally NOR physically. She wasn't abused at all. The Singer Midgets were just people, not animals. Conditions were no different than on any other motion picture; it was hard work, but that's all it was. Nobody deliberately maltreated them
@MaskedMan66 Isn’t calling a child fat and ugly when you have a major power imbalance above then a bit abusive...? ... and while I haven’t found a source that says exactly where the pills came from, I did find many that said the studio encouraged them for her thin physique. Which I’m pretty sure pressuring a child into taking drugs, even if it’s not where here addiction started is still fucked...
@Plagued Frost No addict believes himself to be an addict. I'm sure she had to have someone point it out to her.
Nobody on "Wizard" called Judy fat or ugly.
For what little it's worth, 13 year-old Frances Gumm was not "pressured" by her mother to use either amphetamines or barbiturates. Having no frame of reference as a child, she didn't know she was getting into something that would affect her life.
@MaskedMan66 I disagree with you first statement heavily. Every addict had moments of clarity, and if the drugs have fucked you up enough, you can admit to yourself and others that you are addicted. Just because you admit you’re an addict doesn’t mean you’ll stop. There are plenty of addicts that can point to where and when they got addicted and for what reason, that doesn’t mean they’ll stop. But to suggest every addict is either too deluded or stupid to come to terms with their addiction, shows ignorance when it comes to the topic of addiction.
Second, I know you cited your sources, which I commend you for doing. But every article or video I watch/read says something about people either insulting Glenn (pig/ugly/fat) or them encouraging/administering her amphetamines; So how do we know your sources aren’t faulty, or that every source is a mixture of truth and misconception; The only one that know how Glenn got addicted was herself, and that’s why i wanted her testimony.
Third, letting any kid (Frances Gumm) for this example take unprescribed medicine, is either considered neglect or abuse, pick your poison it’s still fucked even if they did it all on there own.
@Plagued Frost Not from anything I've heard; how many alcoholics have insisted, "I don't have a problem?" I didn't say they were either deluded or stupid; don't put words in my mouth. It's simply an observed phenomenon.
@MaskedMan66 hey I checked his sources and a lot of others but a lot of signs and some of the production crew admitted that the use of drugs was heavilly emphasised as they said it would help her work better and more efficiently without break
@the VINDICATOR Whose sources? Which members of the production crew? What were their names and jobs? How did they avoid getting interviewed by Aljean Harmetz when she was compiling on set memories from 48 actors and behind-the-scenes people for her 1977 book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz?"
Here's the truth, as related by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman in their book "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece": Victor Fleming ordered regular breaks throughout the day because everybody needed to rest from the blazing hot lights. Judy only worked for four hours each filming day.
@DOC O.G. Lol I don't think a relatively civil discussion about Judy Garland's drug addiction is anywhere close to as trivial as a year-long flamewar about the best final boss song in the Paper Mario series.
@Kirk Bupkis you’re right man, their were many factors to that led legendary shit fest. Hopefully there’s another thread like that underway that people don’t know about
@MaskedMan66 I am interested in your opinion; if there was no intentional drug feeding or encouragement, why are there so many articles repeating it? Could you give a theory?
@Lando 530 I think the reason why people talk about it is that they conflate Judy's later life and career with her early life and career. Judy was not a bonafide star until after "Wizard" was released. It was then that MGM wanted to get her in front of the public as often and as quickly as possible.
That, of course, was when the overwork began, aided by amphetamines to keep her energy levels up and barbiturates to relax her. But none of that was anything to do with "Wizard"; Judy only worked for four hours a day on that project, and she had tons of natural energy. Did you know that she could swim a mile? Truth!
(Her being a "star of lesser magnitude," so to speak, was one of the reasons that the MGM suits wanted Mervyn LeRoy to get someone else for the role of Dorothy. He was taking a gamble, and obviously it paid off. But not before the project became known as "LeRoy's Folly" before it was even completed.)
@MR. CLAW! She wasn't talking about "Wizard." California child labor laws were very clear, and the filming day, like most work days, was eight hours long, and she was only allowed to work half of that. At least two hours were given to sessions with the lady who acted as studio tutor (Judy was in school, you see), and the rest was free time.
It was a different time then, back when meth and cocaine were actually legal. That and because I think it’s no laughing matter due mostly to how much of a personal hell she had to undergo, I feel so sorry for her.
I love how at 19:45, he starts playing a version of “Any Color You Like” from Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon,” an album which was rumored to be perfectly synced as a secondary soundtrack to the Wizard of Oz. I also love that he put a rainbow over a triangle shaped object, a nice little nod to the album’s cover art. Good stuff!
@Ryan McDonnell Not that there's any real connection. Among the people involved in the making of it, if peripherally, Arthur Freed blotted his copybook in a big way two years later by flashing Shirley Temple. But apart from that, the folks before and behind the cameras in that movie were generally pretty straight-up people.
When I initially watched this video (when it came out) I had not heard of "Dark side or rainbow", but after watching it this second time, I was looking out for a reference, and I was happy to hear the song. (After watching the movie synced with the album. (In it's entirety on youtube by the way.))
Also, in a similar vein, Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 is apparently synced up with Dark Side Of The Moon. Also, Paul Blart 1 is apparently synced up with The Wall too.
as a fan of judy garland i knew about 95% of this already but seeing it all put together and edited by you really puts into perspective how catastrophic this production really was
LOL It wasn't catastrophic. There were accidents, yes, but they were few and far between, and everyone involved got through them intact. It was just a very involved and complex movie to make, but so was "Gone With the Wind," which had more problems than "Wizard." But the cast and crew of "Wizard" were a solid team, and got the job done. This video is sensationalst and regurgitates a lot of rumor and lies. The real story is to be found in the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@MaskedMan66 it’s not stalking, tapping ur pfp says “292 comments on this channel”, it’s just a feature on mobile YouTube. Look, I get what you’re saying and don’t disagree with you, this video is very sensationalized and I don’t agree w a lot of it, but almost 300 comments on a single video genuinely makes you seem like you have an agenda behind correcting misinfo out of a passion for cinema history,
@Hassan Saeed Given some of the responses I've had, people are glad to know the truth; they frankly wonder about the people who have accepted the tall tales of drug abuse, suicide, and all the rest of it.
Here's the thing: while I'm not comparing myself to the man, I am comparing my situation to Galileo's; even though I'm relating the truth, as set down by historians, there are people who don't want to know, so they make the whole issue about me and ignore the facts, preferring the ridiculous rumors.
@MaskedMan66 on the movie? I'm not super knowledgeable on the movie's production but I do agree that YouTubers do like to exaggerate their videos for the sake of content but I can't judge this video because I don't know enough about the movie.
@Joseph Davies I can recommend you some books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@BTS: Behind The Screen MGM hasn't existed for years, and as an adoptee I have no idea as regards ancestry. I'm just here giving the right info, and the sources where you can find it.
@BTS: Behind The Screen That doesn't matter; I'm telling the truth. Read these books for the inside scoop: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Dont forget that in one take Judy wouldn't stop giggling and ruining the take, this made the director get up from his chair and slapped her hard to make her stop and continued rolling
@Thefatbob37 nah, all you're doing is making your children afraid of you when they're kids, hate you when they're teens, and then never want to see you again when they're adults.
@Opal False with my personal experience Ive seen people who have grown stronger and have gotten closer with there parents, but all humans are different so it depends.
@Opal that’s if you abuse them but discipline isn’t abuse. Hitting a kid is a good way to teach them that thing they are doing is bad. When my dad hits me when I do something wrong I don’t fear him I fear the consequence of doing that thing.
@Mayonnaise Guggler if your parents use hitting as an easy solution to every minor issue you do begin to fear them because you never know if anything you do will trigger them.
Hittong is still a dumb method used by incompetent parents.
@radexyz no. They're not. Beating your kids is not the only way to discipline them, and it's abuse every time. Does it work in a few cases? Yeah sure. Does it make traumatic experiences and cause depression for MANY more others? Also yes.
@radexyz definition of abuse: treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
hitting your kids, with a reason or not, is still abuse. If the kid ends up on doctor Phil, it's not cuz you didn't hit them, it's cuz you weren't a good parent for them.
Well, to make this a bit less tragic, from what I know after he slapped her, the director felt absolutely horrified at what he did and talked to a crew member to punch him for it. So at least he knew that what he did was very bad but this still doesn't justify it.
@radexyz I've made my points, you've made yours, we're obviously not gonna change our minds, so we can agree to disagree, just hope you never become a parent 👍
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To the people whoever and whatever creature and whatever anthill you crawled out from today defending a child that is not there parent get slapped because of a mis hap and because they put her on drugs. Let me tell you this is calling a child a "fat little pig" a good way for a child to lose weight. Is it good discipline to wreck a childs self esteem and self image worth it
@radexyz bro even if the disrespect thing was true, hitting your kid means using violence against someone half your size that you know is not going to defend themselves because you're their parent. how the hell does that sound like good parenting
@Derryl Hopkins sounds like she wasn't hit just for laughing, rather for being unprofessional and wasting film and other people's time. Leniency only stretches so far.
@ocarinaplaya eh I even I think it’s a bit too far he isn’t her father and all she did was laugh, yea it may have wasted some people time but that’s like I don’t know maybe a minute at max.
@Antonio Klaiclook when did I say you hitting is the only option. Just when’s did I say that maybe you can point it out to me. You can talk with your kid but you don’t let your kid walk over you that’s just going to raise a brat.
@Opal who said the only dude you can use other ways like taking away their things or ground them but that’s also considered abuse now. Hitting your kid isn’t bad unless it isn’t to hard and you use it for a appropriate situation
@Mayonnaise Guggler taking their things or grounding them is not abuse. It is not cruel and it is not violent. And it's the good way to discipline someone.
@Thefatbob37 exactly, I mean I understand the idea of being against children abuse, but I also know that discipline is necessary, hitting a child slightly, like the old smacking the plam of the hand with a stick, is not bad, it hurts for a minute or some, doesn't hurt that much, and is effectively as a punishment, the optimal way is to simply talk first, tell them it's wrong, if they don't listen, a little discipline is necessary, cause if they don't get why it's wrong YET because they are young, theb being afraid of punishment for doing said thing at the main time would keep them away from it, and when they grow old enough to understand why it's bad, then they wouldn't need to be disciplined
@Antonio Klaic well, that's the thing, your parents were taking it to the extreme, your parents were abusive, and I am sorry for you, but open up a little and listen, it's not that hitting is the only way because the parent is lazy, it's more like, kids don't understand logic, treating them like adults that would understand right and wrong is stupid, kids wouldn't be able to understand why fire is bad unless they get brunt by it, kids wouldn't understand why they shouldn't play on street unless you scare them of getting turned into a peniata by a car, a little discipline that's isn't too hurtful, and doesn't leave any lasty scars is good for teaching kids
@Raúl Pérez are talking about WWE or some street fight shit, red is talking about a little slap on the face when child did something wrong and isn't listening as to why what they did is wrong, the (because you know they aren't going to defend themselves because you're their parent) point is stupid, it's like saying "I lost my company a few thousand dollars, and now my boss is shouting at me and wants to fire me, because he knows that he is my boss and I can't defend myself against them"
@Raúl Pérez BINGO, it's cowardly to hit a child for the same reason it is cowardly for a man to hit a woman. When you have the size advantage, you shouldn't abuse it.
@Derryl Hopkins This was the era where blacks and whites had separate restrooms. You really think they'd be so morally upstanding to not resort to physically abusing women, too?
@radexyz Corporal punishment might work in the short term, but the overwhelming body of evidence points to negative outcomes in the long run. I think that is because corporal punishment is often done out of anger and frustration, and therefore is rarely measured or restrained. Whatever the reason, corporal punishment seems to be a net negative. If the evidence showed otherwise, then I would be an advocate of it.
@Thefatbob37 I mean, if you are talking about this specific instance, then I don't agree with you, I was arguing the point of beating kids, not the director slapping judy, not because she is a girl, but because you shouldn't slap an employee, or someone at your disposal, they are working for you, you aren't their parent or something, especially a 17 year old that you have duped with drugs
@Edd I don't think so, we aren't talking about a cat here, a kid wouldn't be too bothered by a little bit of water sprayed on them, and some would like it, resorting to doing more bad things or the same thing again to be sprayed again, now to the point of how to dail it down(the punishment), you could use the a vary small ruler(the plastic ones, the metal ones hurt like knifes, and the rubbers sting alot and much more painful), or a small tree branch like the same length of the ruler and make sure to carve it a little to remove any pointy sides. Now for other ways of punishment, there are downsides, like grounding would get a bit repetitive and they would get used to it, not caring anymore and simply finding ways to pass the time, and it could hurt a lot more than a simple smack on the hand sometimes because it could cause them to miss on an outing with a friend, or an event, taking their games isn't preferable for me, because it most of the time isn't related to what they did, which might make them feel it's unfair, maybe lowering playing time and raising it when they do something good on their on?
@Edd of course, it shouldn't be done on the long run, you should probably resort to more talking and negotiating the older they get, and less punishment like any type of beating or grounding or the such, the older they get and the more reasonable they get, the more it's preferable to Increase their independence and making sure they reevaluate themselves when they do something wrong, instead of simply stopping because it's wrong, and of course physical punishment is not always the best way for all kids, humans are complicated and you should always know your child well before finding a way to educate them, in the end you're trying to grow a human being, a person, you shouldn't be too harsh and break them or make them have lasting issues in their lives, but you shouldn't let them become too entitled and self-important, it would hurt them more Than it would hurt others
@radexyz if you have to result to hitting someone smaller and weaker then you who's unable tonight back and looks up to you as you are their protector...then you're a shit adult and have failed as a parent, if you can't control your children like an adult don't resort to hitting them like a child would to another child when they get upset. The reason most parents don't hit kids anymore is because they realized it doesn't work and is a horrible practice.
@radexyz This is exactly how the cycle of abuse is perpetuated. Beating a child is not the way to teach them. Children are children and don't know any better when they're doing something wrong. If your first instinct is to beat your child for doing something wrong instead of accually teaching them means that you are not ready to be a parent and you shouldn't take your incompetence out on a child by beating them.
@Jeremy Wrong on all counts. No mental abuse, no drugs (she only worked for four hours a day), no bullying (her co-stars loved her), and a slap is not "physical abuse," it's a classic method for shaking someone out of hysterics.
@cookieface80 He wasn't mad, but they were up against the clock; the studio was going to close for the night soon. It was a desperation move and he regretted it.
@Opal Corporal punishment has long since proven effective as a deterant to bad behavior. It's the parents who refuse to whup their young 'uns who end up raising self-centered brats.
I can't believe that such an iconic movie has such a dark backstory, the actors spent so much in pure misery, and poor Judy Garland was both abused and ridiculed by everyone. However could I look at this movie the same way knowing in the back of my mind that the actors had a hard time doing the movie.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. It wasn't "dark," just difficult, like any movie. Actors are tough (or at least they were back then), and the ones in this movie could have told you about the real misery of vaudeville and just trying to make it in the biz. Judy was neither abused nor ridiculed by anyone involved in the making of "Wizard"; cast and crew alike were all impressed by her for her talent and sharp wit; bottom line, she was impossible not to like. And of course they had a hard time making the movie-- any actors on any movie did, and most still do.
@MaskedMan66 It was bad conditions. Was it ok for her to eat so little? Was it ok for someone to wear a 100 pound costume? Was it ok to be blown up and be set on fire?
@GMDrandom 628 Judy ate enough to keep body and soul together; she was not starved.
Bert Lahr's Lion suit weighed 70 pounds, which was quite enough for him, thank you. Actors have worn much heavier costumes than that, and still do.
Nobody intended to blow anybody up or set them on fire-- with the obvious exception of when the WWW sets the Scarecrow's arm alight, and that went without a hitch. Accidents happen; welcome to the world.
@Jack Finster I'm happy to oblige. The three main authoritative books on the subject are “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Other books which contain useful bits of information include "The Oz Scrapbook" (1977) by David L. Greene and Dick Martin, and "The World of Oz" (1985) by Allen Eyles.
@-–——·≈·[The Patriot]·≈·——–- You would prefer he only pay attention to the BS by people on YT who themselves got their info from fifth-hand online sources, as opposed to first- and second-hand sources?
@CMG The Person I only have your word that you're pretty, and that's really nothing to do with anything. And behind the cameras was just as hot as in front, because everybody was under the same crushingly hot lights.
@MaskedMan66 700+ comments on a single video holy shit how invested are you in this, imagine spending that much time arguing with people about the same shit
@Lucid Starlight I don't argue, I just deliver the facts. And people keep bringing up the same stuff, so complain to them. Better yet, since this seems to cause you so much anxiety, how about you ignore it from now on-- unless of course you want to know the real story.
smh Have you a sense of humor? Of course that's what was meant; I was just having a go at the absence of the word "sure." It's called a joke, Muad'Dib.
The child actress whom Judy Garland cited as an influence, Baby Peggy, also bore the brunt of Hollywood's dark and seedy side. Reading her memoirs about how her parents especially her dad turned her into a cross between a wind-up doll and a golden goose and how she witnessed and experienced abuse on set was a harrowing tale in itself.
Yeah,bit which Wizard of Oz was he talking about?I heard of one where a girl and a dog Toto,or another version,where a man fell somewhere into a colourful land and was helped by a woman,but he became a wizard and she became the witch
@Nik Oz the Great and Powerful is a prequel. If you somehow haven't seen this movie and didn't know which book it was based on then I can see why you might be confused. Disney made a movie of OtGaP in the mid 2010s. That movie is not worth revisiting.
@SuperSnackBros OtGaP isn't a prequel to the MGM movie, though it has some visual commonalities with it. The MGM version of Oz was nothing but a dream, while in OtGaP, it's real. It's been rumored for a long time now that they will be doing a sequel which will be their own version of "Wonderful Wizard."
She got second degree burns on her face and third degree burns on her right hand; the rest of her was okay. Her skin bore traces of green for a just few weeks; in later years, she liked talking about having to assure people that she wasn't feeling ill. 🙂 Also, she recovered at home, not in a hospital. The studio doctor had already administered treatment on the set, and her personal physician looked after her from then onward. But yes, Miss Hamilton was a tough lady, one of the real troupers.
The fact is that she loved playing the Wicked Witch because it was so different from the roles she usually played, of which Miss Gulch was an example. After the movie, she reprised the role on stage and on T.V. many times.
@Knight Wing His reaction was to the aluminum powder dusted over his greasepaint; it was Jack Haley who wore the reformulated aluminum paste. But otherwise you're correct. :-)
Fun Fact: Several years after the movie, Ebsen appeared in a stage version of "The Wizard of Oz"-- as the Scarecrow!
This video makes me so grateful that Macaulay Culkin is doing really well these days. He seems like he and his wife have been able to keep a relatively low profile in the popular media and raise their kid and being able to see him joking along with Red Letter Media makes me really happy. I’m really glad he seems to be recovering
You're research, thesis and analysis are phenomenal. The parallel of the Egyptian volunteers was thought provoking and tied together the idea of art being a higher human calling was not what I expected. It was infinitely better.
I must admit I just came across your channel when Talladega was recommended and, again, your analysis and interwoven stories taught me a hell of a lot. Thank you.
It was your grammar while speaking on NASCAR that got me. You had me at "fewer", but "dubious" was a close second. I most certainly did not think I was going to learn Native American history. I took a year of that and read "A People's History..." and didn't learn that the Seminole people were a disparate group.
Thank you. Thank you for not asking me to subscribe, though of course I did.
At one point some crew member actually killed themselves,its in a scene in the movie while walking along the yellow brick road I believe it's at the end of the road you can see a body of a human
@KyleYoung2012 That's what they wanted you to think. The bird was edited in after the fact. That original footage was of an actual munchkin dangling from a rope. Re-watch that scene, and tell me that's a flamingo. It doesn't move like an animal of the avian variety. It looks exactly what they're trying to erase.
@Igor Ivanov dude first of all how would a human (especially a midget) even get that high up and if someone just straight up hung themselves on set then why would they not do anything about it, do you think they didnt notice?? why would they leave a dead person in the shot thinking no one would care, and then eventually go through the effort of painstakingly editing it out
@cheekybananaboy They didn't notice, that's the point. They also hoped nobody else would notice. A little person could have climbed up that prop. Or used a step ladder that was kicked underneath themselves while they struggled, and folded back in on itself laying flat on the ground, unable to notice it from that distance. That footage is definitely no flamingo. Just look at it closer, there's no way it could be explained away with such a lame excuse. This is Hollywood we're talking about. Lying is part of the job description. They know nothing else.
@Igor Ivanov I wouldn't trust the government to take care of my dog for a few minutes. You are right to distrust the government and corporations, but you come to conclusions in a weird way. People like you latch on to conspiracy theories that make no logical sense that have zero proof grounded in reality. You latch on to the most fringe and obscure conspiracies not because they mean anything, you do it because it makes you feel smart. Instead of looking at easily observable things like the U.S. government killing civilians in other countries and companies exploiting workers for profit, you must think that everything is hidden in the shadows. The truth is very mundane compared to what you believe. Everyone sees it. There is no need to believe in conspiracies when corruption happens in front of us out in broad daylight.
@Simple Weirdo The set was congested with props all over the place. Old cabin in the foreground on the left of screen, a rocky cliff top in the foreground on the right of screen, and the damned bright yellow brick road smack dab in the middle of the set enclosed off with multiple trees and shrubbery on each side in the foreground and background of the set. There was a hell of a lot going on in that set to say the least. There were highly lit areas in the foreground and some not so lit in the back. You mean to tell me with such a huge set with so much going on, people overheating from the lights bearing down on them from the brightly lit working areas that it was impossible to miss a 3 foot+ munchkin dangling from a noose somewhere far back in the more dimly lit area amongst the shrubbery and trees?
You act like you never even seen that scene before. Re-watch it and tell me that everything was equally lit up, or if they focused it on the area the actors would be.
You are naive to think that it couldn't be missed. These are humans we're talking about, not Hawks. People are hard wired through millennia of evolution to focus what's taking place in front of their eyes. Movie studios understand the intricacies that goes through to set up focal points and positions. If you did any years of study in film school you'd know this.
I implore you to re-watch that specific scene. Notice the balancing act of creating such a scene with foreground background and centering focal points. Then try turn your attention on the hanging munchkin far off in the distance and contrast that with the two.
You'll realize how something like that can go unnoticed.
@Simple Weirdo Just because the munchkin set was done, doesn't mean that they cease to exist from other sets. They shoot multiple scenes in one day, some overlap, some are reshot. The munchkin body was so difficult to detect onset, let alone on camera. How many years passed before someone actually noticed it?
I would've taken their explanation on face value if the enhanced remastered version didn't look so vastly different. That didn't explain it away, it only confirmed people's suspicions. Look at the footage side by side. Play the original and the remastered versions side by side frame by frame. That's why I cannot accept it's just a flamingo. The original looks nothing like a aimlessly walking bird in the distance.
@Igor Ivanov The Tin Woodman's introductory scene was initially filmed from November 6th to November 11th, 1938, but when someone realized that Jack Haley's suit was too shiny they knew they'd have to reshoot. So Wardrobe dirtied up the buckram Tin Woodman costume to make it look properly rusty, and the sequence was redone from November 15th to November 19th. It was a closed set with only authorized people permitted to enter. Each person there (and there were dozens, likely close to a hundred) had a task to perform, including set dressers and lighting technicians in the gantries up close to the ceiling. Birds were brought in, lent by the Los Angeles Zoo, including a saurus crane that at one point lunged for Ray Bolger, attracted by the straw stuffing in his costume. That crane appeared in the back of the set for however many takes they did of the shot of Dorothy and her friends heading upstage, and in the take selected by Film Editor Blanche Sewell, the crane was seen to peck at the ground, then rear up and spread its wings.
The next sequences filmed were the Cowardly Lion's intro scene (November 21st to 22nd), scenes in and around the Wicked Witch's castle (November 29th to December 3rd), and the Poppy Field scene (December 9th to 10th).
The Munchkinland sequence began filming on December 17th, more than a month after this scene was in the can.
@Igor Ivanov So did they not notice or not? You said they hoped people wouldn't notice, but if they themselves didn't notice that doesn't really add up
@Igor Ivanov Because that's not what you said. You said they hoped we wouldn't notice, but in the HD releases it's clear that it's a bird. Which means they never hoped you wouldn't notice, but tried to cover it up.
That being under the assumption the suicide is real. It didn't happen.
@Igor Ivanov So you're saying that the nearly 100 people on the set didn't notice a suicide taking place in their very midst? On your bike, mate. It never happened.
@MaskedMan66 I see you in many comments adamantly defending these producers and the experience as a whole. Gotta ask, what has given you this knowledge that seemingly nobody else agrees with or recognizes? Doing even the faintest iota of research into the topic explains the opposite of what you claim. This video had to of triggered you.
@Cheek Loins What "producers?" There was only one producer on "Wizard," his name was Mervyn LeRoy, and he was a fan of Judy Garland's and had campaigned against all odds to star her in the movie. He would not have brooked any maltreatment of her.
"The faintest iota of research" yields only the faintest iota of information. Conversely, decades of research tend to turn up much more thorough results, and that's what you find in the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Mrs. Harmetz's mother worked in the Wardrobe department at MGM and was attached to "Wizard" as one of the costume people. In researching her book, Mrs. Harmetz interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, including Ray Bolger, Margaret Hamilton, Buddy Ebsen, Jack Haley, Mervyn LeRoy, and Betty Danko. Her book alone, therefore, is to be trusted because it has firsthand accounts of what went on-- and no, nothing is sugarcoated or glossed over.
@MaskedMan66 I was going to attempt to retort you, but it’s no surprise you only believe what you consider worth believing. I hope that kind of attitude only exists in your media consumption, and hasn’t leaked into more important aspects of your life.
@A Fellow Human This isn't about me or your misperceptions about me. You know the titles of the books I've recommended. Find them and read them and get an education.
@MaskedMan66 i don't know if any of the info you've shown is valid and i don't really care to research it rn, but it's odd how people keep resorting to cheap insults whenever you bring up Aljean Harmetz's book and others
@R of the BG I think you'd enjoy the books; they not only give the whole story on the movie, but they provide a look into American history, mostly as regards the film industry, of course, but they do touch on other events in the news of the time. Thank you for your words, though. I've seen a number of people who, upon hearing of the books and their authors for the very first time, will knee-jerkingly dismiss them. Really shows how entrenched they are in their misperceptions, dunnit?
@MaskedMan66 you’re 54, a grown man, sat at your computer or phone just spouting nonsense and arguing with strangers on the internet, if that isn’t wimpy i don’t know what is
@Broken Man The first two things are correct. Your first guess as to how I go online is the correct one. Otherwise you're wrong. All I do is present the facts, which are readily available to anyone who reads the books I've recommended. That's neither bold nor wimpy, that's simply communication.
@Broken Man P.S.: Now, while I realize you'd like to make this all about me, that's not what I'm here for. Stick to the subject at hand, which is the movie "The Wizard of Oz."
@MaskedMan66 The people who worked on the official biograpgies were probably forced to lie about the conditions to make them sound better. If they had told the truth, I seriously doubt the books would've gotten published.
I don't mean to be aggressive, I just wanted to point that out.
@Wojciech Plichtowski Generations and the silly names people come up with for them are irrelevant, especially since we're talking about an 82 year-old movie.
@MaskedMan66 I don't care lol you're arguing about an 82-year old movie on the internet, get something better to do. Also 1$ has been deposited to your bank account.
@MaskedMan66 I don't read hollywood propaganda, I prefer actual interviews with the actors and producers instead of a book written to hide the atrocities of Big Cinema. You've been at this for at least 4 months, how you have time for this, I don't know. I have no interest in continuing this conversation, as you seem to not consider the arguments of other people. Typical boomer behaviour. also spelling lol get rekt lmaooo look at dis dood
@Wojciech Plichtowski It's always when they know their side of the discussion is losing ground that they cut and run. Aljean Harmetz and John Fricke DID interview "Wizard" actors and other personnel for their books (in Mrs. Harmetz's case, she spoke to 48 of them), and Scarfone and Stillman provided interviews with the stars from newspaper and magazine accounts.
Nothing was sugarcoated in any of the books, as you would know if you plucked up the courage to read them instead of making up your own version of events and high-tailing it. I tellya, the Cowardly Lion would be laughing at you.
@Replux I've contributed a lot on one or two other topics, such as "Doctor Who" and Narnia. But the reason I comment on these Oz vids so much is that so many of the same lies and misinformation keep popping up, and in the interest of truth and trying to get people to do some real research, I do my bit toward that.
@ObiDaSauceMan from what i remember one of the original diary of a wimpy kid books had a segment where Greg had to participate in a poorly made wizard of oz play for his school and it turned out really akward and bad
@CMG The Person If I'm a liar, then so are the people who made the movie, because that is where the info I share ultimately comes from. What are your sources?
Only just found this video, and whilst it’s morbidly fascinating to learn about, I’m more horrified by the apparent mental state of the MaskedMan66 guy responding to literally every negative view on the films production in this entire comments section to defend it - I feel like I’ve just peered into the abyss
Not negative, just untrue. There are plenty of negative things that happened during the production of this movie without inventing more of them. Have you actually looked critically into any of the reports that people blindly believe, like the lies about Judy Garland being abused and bullied by her co-stars? Or are you willing to read the books you've seen me recommend, which were written by historians who spoke to the people who created the film?
Bottom line, you needn't worry about my "mental state" as all I'm here for-- and anyone could do what I'm doing-- is to provide the truth.
@Adrian Vegas Two's plenty. And your judgment is faulty. Why should someone who actually is after setting the record straight about this movie (and I'm not the only one) be restricted from it? Very baffling reasoning there.
@Adrian Vegas I have the same amount of time as anyone in any given day, and it doesn't take much of it to dash off these comments.
Truth is truth, and ratings are irrelevant to it. People always crowd around scandal; that doesn't make it true. "The National Enquirer" has been a top-selling publication for almost a century; does that mean it tells the truth? Think about that for a bit.
I don't think "literally" everyone would appreciate you speaking for them; in point of fact, many people have taken the time to check out the facts and have realized the rumormongers are spreading nonsense.
@Adrian Vegas I put forth no opinions. The information I provide comes ultimately from the actors and crew of "The Wizard of Oz," as set down in books for which they shared their experiences.
@Adrian Vegas I already gave you the answer. Never mind documentaries, here are some superior books for you, containing the words of the people who made the movie and were in it : "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton (who said of the book, "The research alone is a staggering accomplishment," and "For me it is a mine of information."), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@Adrian Vegas Once was enough; same old distortions regurgitated by other "documentaries," and all by people whose grandparents likely hadn't even been born when the movie was being made. Yet somehow, you and others think them greater authorities on the movie than the people who were there at the time. smh
@Adrian Vegas "Biased towards the movie?" What does that even mean? All they do is tell what happened while it was being made. In Mrs. Harmetz's book, for instance, Margaret Hamilton and Betty Danko describe the accidents that befell them, sparing no details and sugarcoating nothing, while they were bringing the Wicked Witch of the West to life on the screen.
@MaskedMan66 I'm just curious, what causes you to make a reply on possibly hundreds of other comments? And also, do you by chance have a reddit account?
@That one annoying Tornado Siren - What "causes" anyone who knows the facts about anything to share those facts with people who have the wrong information?
I don't even know what Reddit is; I've heard the word, but haven't looked into it.
@MaskedMan66 Problem with calling everyone 'wrong' is that you're mostly using people's word, when you're going against objective facts. It doesn't matter that someone said they're fine with it, if we can clearly see they went through hell. It's basic solidarity.
@Daniel Ferreira LOL And how can you "clearly see" what you weren't present for? Wrong information is wrong information, and if someone is spreading it, it isn't a judgment on that person to say so. A lot of people I've corrected actually have gone and done proper research and realized their errors.
@MaskedMan66 I can "clearly see" because I've been going over this comment section. Not only did I not find anyone saying you're right, I barely found anything beyonf what you've been saying, which as I stated before, is luricrous.
@Daniel Ferreira What I'm saying comes from books written by people who spoke to those involved; Aljean Harmetz alone interviewed 48 people who worked on the film, including her mother. Read the books. Scroll up to where I give the titles.
@tiru liru Why would I do that? I haven't defended anyone's perversions or misdeeds. My focus is on The Wizard of Oz and setting the record straight about it. Some weird people get off on saying that Judy Garland was abused by the cast and crew of the movie, and they get angry-- actually angry -- when they learn that she wasn't.
@Donut There are indoor hobbies as well, and chatting on YouTube is one of mine. Now, what do you know about this movie? That is what the topic started out as being; people who fear that they have nothing to contribute tend to obsess over the person who knows stuff.
If In Praise of Shadows' video on Return to Oz is anything to go by, the original Oz books were indeed more dark and somewhat creepy. Not actually horror, just a bit unnerving at times.
@Raymunator The Oz books are not at all dark, but like any good works of fantasy, there are creepy elements-- but they are not the main focus and are always presented as bad.
It's a screwed kind of irony where they endured so much agony and suffering, and yet created one of the most whimsical and frankly beautiful movies of all time and defined their entire careers off of it. Though, I have to say, with all of the money companies like Disney makes, it'd be kind of nice to see them have the same attitude of MGM where they just want to make something great. Just, hopefully don't treat those under them so poorly.
They didn't care about Bert's health, they just wanted him to keep working?! Such a piece of garbage their boss must be. It's sad that these amazingly talented people suffered in terrible ways, yet they all deserved better imo.
This video is full of lies and misrepresentation. People don't realize, because rumormongers don't tell them, that they took frequent breaks to cool off; the lights were shut off, the doors were opened, and Bert was able to open his costume and also get his hands out.
@acacia A family movie, and one which the stars and crew loved. People have gone through far worse for other movies. Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on the last "Harry Potter" movie is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong. On some movie sets and locations, people have even died.
To play a bit of devils advocate, he was probably being pressured from people higher up, too. There's always a battle between the artists and the business men that sell the product of the artist. Also, consider what the average person knew about modern medicine and biology back then
FUN FACT: On the set of the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland was bullied and treated miserably by her co-actors. Ironically, the only friend she made on set was Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch.
@Progunjack555 oh for fuck sakes. I hate it when people say that. Not fun fact as in its fun or amusing, Fun as in small or bite sized. Like fun sized candies
@Callum Lambkin She was also a kindergarten teacher before she began acting as a career. Decades later, she made an appearance on “Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood” to show kids that she was only acting when she played the Wicked Witch of the West. What a wonderful woman, indeed.
Neither fun nor a fact. Judy was the darling of the set; Jack Haley described her as "born to brilliance," and Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter."
@nic magtaan Tremendous discomfort more than actual pain. Bolger had it the best of the three, being in a cotton and felt costume that allowed him full range of movement, but even he found his make-up difficult.
@KillerKitten753 They were friends already, and when Betty was laid up with her injured leg, the cast sent her a copy of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" which they had all signed. Miss Hamilton wrote a little note thanking her for "taking one" for her and signed it, "Mag the Hag."
@Echo of Korrbastion Not hardly! There was also the time during a break that someone put on a Louis Prima record that got Judy's toes tapping, and then she and Ray Bolger started an impromptu dance routine right in the middle of the Emerald City set!
@KillerKitten753 When Betty Danko was laid up with her injured leg, the cast sent her a copy of the book which they'd signed with well-wishes. Miss Hamilton's read, "Between fire and explosions, it's been fun! Thank you, Betty dear, for all you 'took' for me! Much love-- Mag the Hag."
It’s kinda interesting that actors who usually play the roles of villains or very unpleasant characters are usually the most nicest people out there. Probably because they know what it’s like to be the exact opposite of what they are.
@Godess Call Putting aside the inaccuracy of the OP's statement (in reality, everybody loved Judy), I've seen firsthand how nice villain portrayers can be. I've met Dave "Darth Vader" Prowse, Jacqueline "Servalan" Pearce, and three incarnations of the Master from "Doctor Who," namely Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainley, and Eric Roberts, and all of them were very kind people.
FUN FACT:
On the set of the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland was bullied and treated miserably by her co-actors. Ironically, the only friend she made on set was Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch. ftfy
Gives you a whole appreciation of what people dealt with in the 1930s. Technology was taking shape and medicine was advancing, meaning that people knew nothing back then. People didn't know that lead was poisonous, people didn't know if uranium was dangerous, people just went with it. Over time more things were known about things, life became easier and we even developed a vaccine within a year. Thank you tech.
P.S.: What have lead or uranium got to do with this movie? P.P.S.: Some "vaccine." People who've had their shots have also caught COVID-19 after getting them.
@ZArthritiz Yeah, I've heard of that. I know people in the medical profession (my sister, for one) and there's been a lot of such lazy and irresponsible reporting.
Buddy Ebsen didn't really miss out in the role of a lifetime. He had other movie roles such as Audrey Hepburn's husband in Breakfast at Tiffany's. He then went on to have a great career in television. First, as Jed Clampett in the most viewed show on television at the time, the Beverly Hiillbillies and then as the lead character in Barnaby Jones.
Emp I’m glad people like you are on the platform, absolutely incredible for someone with such storytelling ability to just make whatever videos they want. Post YT spiral your videos have become a grab bag of interesting topics that I never thought I could be engaged in. The two nascar videos gave me a newfound appreciation for Motorsport. Keep doing what you want to do.
The good side is all the movies that we enjoy watching, like Dark Knight and Infinity Wars. (although there's a lot of movies that come out that are complete turds)
@Josh Except that I'm not in every comment, literally or figuratively. I mainly deal with the people who are, knowingly or unwittingly, spewing false information. You'd probably ask Galileo to stop "acting like a bozo" and "get help" for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun.
@Vansh Kumar No, I'm comparing Josh's attitude to that of those members of the scientific community who were so set in their ways that they wouldn't even consider an alternative to their view of things. Not very scientific of them, was it? ;-)
@Anonymous That subjectivity. I'm talking about objectivity.
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Kira Slith2021-07-01 05:37:01 (edited 2021-07-01 05:54:10 )
To be fair, movie production is hundreds of times safer than it was. To the point that the worst things modern superstar actors like Depp have to worry about are psycho girlfriends cutting their digits off and Twitter outrage mobs.
No good side, because while good is opposite of bad, bad is not so synonymous with dark.
What you have is the light side of hollywood, happy actors, grand spectacle, stories told to watch endlessly. Thats how this works, two sides of a coin. Sometimes the dark side is how the actors are treated, and others that side is reflected more in the final product than the production.
There is a light side, but as they say, brighter lights cast larger shadows. That being the bright light of one of the most iconic films in American history bright, blinding, casting black chasms without reprieve or remorse.
@Edd I too enjoy product, so much in fact that I am willing to totally ignore the abuse of actors, actresses and staff perpetuated by the nigh-invincible who make these beautiful dreams. Also, they support good stuff like the TV says, so they can't be bad people.
I love consuming so much, I can't wait to give even more money to alleged pedophiles.
@MaskedMan66 you just compared yourself to Galileo?lmao. Stfu......... Everybody focuses on the good of Hollywood.... Which is why everyone is willing to bend their morals on fame and Fortune.............
@Miguel Garcia Everybody focuses on the good of Hollywood... You know besides literally everyone. Hollywood has been making fun of Hollywood, before some of the people watching this video were even born. People that focus on the good of Hollywood are like fay from my experience, everybody keeps telling me they're all around me, & while I don't want to 100% deny they exist, I can't for the life of me find any. (Besides small kids, but that's a given.)
@biggie zoinks Not true. I have friends there who, while aware of the evil that they say is "palpable," they themselves and other associates of theirs represent the good.
"The good side" refers to the photography term; you know, when you turn, change expressions, fake emotions, fake your surroundings and generally fake yourself to get a snapshot of just the good, so you can more easily pretend that the rest of you doesn't exist?
@Rer Tar Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Their reaction to the accidents was invariably to get over them and continue with their work and their lives.
@Rer Tar You are mistaken about the whole thing. And your sentence structure is a bit confusing; you don't seem to be talking about the same "they" throughout your comment. Which "they" do you mean at which points?
@MaskedMan66 jaja sorry im not the brightest at inglish. all the "they" mean the Guys behind the production of the movie. Exept for one in wich i usted a frase from your coment, But i think we were refering to the same guys
@Rer Tar I didn't mean any offense. But you are mistaken about both Mervyn LeRoy (Producer) and Victor Fleming (Director). They did not deliberately put anyone in danger. The accidents were accidents.
@MaskedMan66 sir, it's good to see you keep your philosophy and english classes in day. now we can clearly say that the last thing you're lacking is a actual life.
@O N E I have a wife, two jobs, and multiple extracurricular activities. This here commenting on YT is just another hobby. Now, if you're done obsessing over me, let's talk about the subject at hand-- if you have anything to add, that is.
@MaskedMan66 man knew the earth revolved around the sun for ages in Greece and before, it's just that the dark Ages banned the idea and so when he made the idea again people thought he was crazy
@Dífky Corp. true, before I saw this full comment I thought that you'd say something like "there is no dark side it's just that the good movies that have the worst production situations and etc, no good movie gets made when people are messing around"
@O N E I feel sorry for you, I genuinely do. Why you think you need to attempt doing down a person just because he shares accurate information on a subject about which you had hold of the wrong idea is a puzzle.
At the same time, you seem to have a very high opinion of my perceptiveness if you expect me to be able to tell from words on a screen the age of the person who typed them. Maturity level can be guessed at, to be sure, but many teens (and even younger folks) can be remarkably erudite.
there is no good side and the people here claiming otherwise have no viable viewpoint on the matter. it is an industry designed to mislead and distract. at best, an acceptable (childish and ignorant) viewpoint would be "well they are companies of course they only care about money", in fact they are beyond monetary concerns. their behavior is not explainable with any framework centered on money or prestige. their behavior is explainable, however, through lenses of dogma, ideology, hate, or control. as you are well aware there is no shortage of bad actors who eschew both our moral sensibilities and the true aim of the industry, there are many of those who use the industry to enrich themselves by abusing others (personal gains of money/power to assault others instead of going along with genocidal ideologues). it's evil all the way down, with or against them. there is no "bottom", it can get worse and degenerate without limit
@boldCactus Except for one thing: you're mistaken. Yes, there are evil people associated with the business, and they are even in the majority. But they're also the only ones who get talked about, which naturally means that the good people-- of whom there are many-- are ignored.
@Joshdoingthings YT And sometimes the people behind them are good as well. It's really a mistake to paint with such broad strokes as so many people do.
Hey Algernon, There is a good side, John huges was part of that good side., so was John candy…
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Sir Loin2021-11-08 13:17:23 (edited 2021-11-08 13:20:30 )
@ObiDaSauceMan Christopher Colombia did discover America for the Old world It was unknown to most of the old world at that point. Yes it had been discovered before then, but it hadn’t been common knowledge until Columbus… because of him we had the widespread colonization of North America.
The good sides usually the surprised side. I.e smaller films like peanut butter falcon (but even then Sheia lebouf is kind of a fucked up guy and himself a product of the bad side of Hollywood as a child actor)
And to think all of this suffering could have been avoided if MGM just decided to make it into an animated movie and directly compete with Disney in that extremely new and experimental market (at the time). I mean, MGM already had an animation studio at their disposal. At the very least, the only suffering behind the scenes would be overworked animators, and not actual physical and mental torture.
There was no torture except the torture everyone had to undergo because of the blazing hot lights needed for Technicolor. And for that, Victor Fleming ordered regular breaks so they could be shut off and everyone could cool down. Casts and crews of other movies have suffered far worse than those of Wizard ; it's really baffling that people pick on this one movie.
Hollywood can be a messed up place sometimes, actors are the forgotten more than the characters they played, and that’s a hard pill to swallow, please support the people starring in movies, they have done some great stuff.
This may come off as a shock to you, or it may not. At this point i dont know, you may be deeper in the hole than I recognize right now, but i love every single video you make. Your content is ensnaring and amazing. Every time a video comes out, i will watch it multiple times cuz they’re just that good. I’ve been subscribed to you for about 5(?) years and despite all the hardships you’ve been through i’ve never hated a single thing you do. I really hope you stay on the platform till the bitter end because your content is so top notch, even if others dont share the same opinion. You’re the diamond among the rubble and dont let anyone tell you otherwise, Youtube may turn to shit but i hold out on hope that you wont EmpLemon
this stuff really makes me thankful for modern video editing, photoshop, digital effects, and youtube. being able to make fun videos as a one person show would have likely been near impossible in another time, and if i was alive then i might have had the desire to be a part of the movie industry rather than just making my own videos for fun
Nice video, didn't really go into the details enough of WHY this happened though. Back in the old days you signed a contract to work for a studio and that was basically it. They could then make you work as many movies as they wanted in a year with little to no say about anything. Even the biggest name actors and actresses made next to on money unless they happened to sign a contract after they were already famous.
Even then the long hours and such were brutal. Not to mention the expectations of being able to sing, dance and do most if not all your own stunts built by people with dodgy ideas of how to do said stunt.
From what I understand Judy Garland after her huge fame from Wizard Oz was basically worked to death by MGM. As they wanted to capitalize as much as possible on her fame.
Now as said in the video, it's not instantly better now. Abuse and mistreatment still happens in any industry where people want to work more than the employer needs the employee. But with the rise of social media and the risk of bad PR I think the power shifts more into the favor of the worker than it ever has.
The filming day for this movie ran eight hours, and for Judy Garland, being a minor, four hours. Singing and dancing are par for the course in musicals, and everyone had experience in that. They had stunt doubles; Judy's was Bobbie Koshay, who had been a member of the 1928 Olympic swim team. And stunt work had been going on in movies for some years; Margaret Hamilton's stuntwoman Betty Danko had been in the biz since 1927. She once described her job thusly:
"I have fallen into ditches, lakes, pools, through trap doors, from piano tops, over chairs and tables, down laundry chutes and stairs. I have fallen over backwards from a height of 25 ft into 32 in of water and into a pool fully clothed though I can barely swim. I've been yanked around on wires, had pies and knives thrown at me, have lain amid flames of gasoline—all for the sake of Art and a pay check. But I still like it and it enables me to support my mother and myself."
The worst injury she ever received on a movie shoot was not being blown up on the broom rig for Wizard, but having almost lost her foot to a mountain lion's jaws while doubling for Patsy Kelly in a comedy (of all things).
Judy had long since left MGM by the time she died.
Goes to show how much of what we enjoy and look back on with appreciation and happiness, often have some of the darkest backgrounds. Absolute respect to all of the actors, child or adult who suffered during their respective productions, especially in these earlier films where the technology, resources and knowledge of the materials being used were still being understood, and safety regulations were not all that.
Damn, can you imagine the huge amounts of cope needed to constantly try and justify/defend the horrible things that happened in this video? And to continue to do so even though nearly a year has passed since this video was made 😂😂😂🤡👍
Not defend them, just set the record straight about them, as in much of what this guys says just plain didn't happen, and that what did happen has been exaggerated and lied about.
Outstanding work Emp, nice touch having it sync up with The Dark Side of the Moon. That ending was eerie leading up to the marionette. Painted a great picture without words.
It broke my heart when Margaret Hamilton was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. To be in suffering with the rest of the crew, the lasting effects go on longer than Judy's addictions. I give no shortage of sympathy on Judy's trauma, but for Hamilton to slowly forget all she is and has done, for her real person and place in the world fade away, is truely disheartening.
It is the slow death of memory, though I believe the personality is usually left unscathed. It's like soap opera amnesia without the moment where you suddenly get it all back.
Nothing that happened to Miss Hamilton while making "Wizard"-- or indeed any of the other movies, T.V. shows, and stage plays she worked in-- had anything to do with her Alzheimer's.
@MaskedMan66 she might have not had any chance to develop Alzheimer's naturally, but thanks to the Copper paint used on her in the 5 month period and constant application possibly gave her the doomed fate to develop Alzheimer's. I'm certain she accidentally ingested a small amount she herself wasn't aware of, and contracted Alzheimer's later on.
@DespacEto115 You are reaching to a degree that strains credulity. Find me a medical report on her condition that directly and irrevocably links it to the make-up that she (and all the other Winkies in the movie) wore, and then we'll talk.
@DespacEto115 P.S.: She only worked a total of two or three weeks within that five-month period. Remember, she only has twelve minutes of screen time as the Wicked Witch.
@Double Down please go sub to t teg egg The soul is not gone. My grandmother had Alzheimer's, but she remained happy and upbeat, even when she had to be reminded of her own name. Her soul was intact, and she never lost her faith.
@Diego_1237 No, just hard work. Margaret Hamilton adored the movie and the people she worked with, and never tired of talking about it. She loved playing the Wicked Witch and reprised the role many times throughout her life, on stage and on television.
All the people who worked on that movie were proud of the result.
And considering that Judy died of a barbiturate overdose, you could probably say that the barbiturate regimen she went through on this film contributed to her death.
@HotWax93 She didn't go through a "barbiturate regimen" on this film. She had her hair and make-up done at home, then during the eight-hour filming day, she was only allowed by law to work four hours, the rest of her time given to school with the studio tutor and recreation. There was no need for artificial relaxation.
@MaskedMan66 It's all right there in the video. Your making hundreds of comments disagreeing with whats right there in the video so why you expect anyone to agree with you?
@Carl Jackson LOL And of course everything you hear on YouTube must be true, just like the tabloids.
It's not a matter for agreement or disagreement. The facts are long-established, and they are laid out in various sources far more reliable than YouTube videos. Find and read the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@MaskedMan66 As if you can just trust anything on YouTube some random person in the comment section is just saying stuff that can't be proven true or false why would anyone trust you over this youtuber? why should we trust you after everything we've heard? after all you could be lying
@Sup3rshockwav3 Because this "random person" gives reliable, authoritative sources, namely books by people whose life's work has been researching the production of the movie and the lives of the people who made it.
Those books are "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
John Fricke, by the way, is one of the world's leading authorities on Oz in general and the MGM movie and Judy Garland in particular.
@MaskedMan66 @MaskedMan66 Those books and people could be fake and frankly I don't trust you to give me any good information because you are against the video completely whatever people you site could also be lying or they aren't real and those books could be lying to save face about the production I'd rather trust this video than some random person who claims to "give reliable authoritative sources" whatever that means and who sites book who for all we know could be fake
@MaskedMan66 Neither are you any of the aspects mentioned no one here will take take your supposed facts by supposed professionals that supposedly exist stop trying your argument is pointless especially against anyone in this comment section no one will change their minds over this or anything else that you say it's pointless
@Sup3rshockwav3 Real facts by real professionals. Did you miss the words of Margaret Hamilton herself, or are you actively ignoring them?
John Fricke is one of the world's leading authorities on Oz, and has done commentary for DVD releases of the movie as well as writing books about Judy Garland, giving lectures on her and on Oz for decades. Like Mrs. Harmetz-- who interviewed 48 people, as you also seem to be ignoring-- Fricke has spoken with many of the movie's cast and crew while they yet lived.
Jay Scarfone and William Stillman have between them a vast collection of newspaper and magazine articles from the time the movie was made right through to the years since it became a cultural phenomenon. They know their business.
The only thing that is pointless is offering information to a closed mind-- or rather, a mind that has closed itself, having blindly accepted the word of a random video on YouTube. If this doesn't describe you, and you really do want to know about this movie, you'll find and read those books.
@Sup3rshockwav3 P.S.: I never said that I was any of those things. But Mrs. Harmetz and Messrs. Fricke, Scarfone, and Stillman are-- apart from the "level of a god" bit.
@MaskedMan66 I'd rather trust this person with a somewhat trustworthy backround than you and your professionals that may or may not have said anything that you claim they have said that I just met
@Sup3rshockwav3 Ignoring things-- as I reckon you're ignoring the link to the John Fricke article-- won't help you.
I've given you new information with every comment. I can only conclude that you're just being a troll. So I'm not going to play this game anymore. Legitimate resources have been pointed out to you-- one with an intro by Margaret Hamilton, another with an intro by Jack Haley, Jr.-- and you are free to read them. If you refuse to, that is your loss.
@MaskedMan66 You've given me nothing but your word and I don't trust your word simple as that why do you have to be right? it makes no difference if you were this entire conversation was pointless regardless
@Sup3rshockwav3 LOL No, I've not given you my word. I've given you information from film history. If that's not good nough for you, then I wonder how much of anything you haven't seen you even believe.
@Mobius One Nobody involved in the making of "The Wizard of Oz" was a billionaire, and it's a cinch that none of the authors I've cited are either. So I don't know who you think you're talking about.
My grandma has Alzheimer and it’s horrible she once forgot how to make some sausages and almost burned the house down she sometimes is ok and sometimes yust forgets everything even asking me who am I it’s horrible and terrifying
@Kurči My paternal grandmother had it as well; the interesting thing was that she knew her limitations and didn't try doing anything that could prove hazardous. She also forgot who her own close relatives were and even had to ask if her name was the one she remembered for herself. But she always kept a good attitude and loved to listen to us talking even if, as she put it, she "wasn't acquainted with" what we were discussing.
@MaskedMan66 whell my grandma is unfortunately that person that thinks she is always right and won’t give up on that she broke the dishwasher last week when she was trying to get it open while the dishes where cleaning but to me she is actually pretty nice and says I’m her favourite nephew and she will always ask me if I’m hungry and bring me cookies even if I’m not but to my mom she is kinda rude sometimes with my grandpa she will always argue with him what to do and she even blamed my mom that she broke the dishwasher all tho we literally saw her brake it she can be pretty nice, yust rude and annoying or yust forget everything and think that her daughter (my mom) is her mom and that my uncle (her son) is her father sometimes she is ok but sometimes she yust forgets who he is and basically she forgets everything like where she lives where she is who she is who are the people she know basically it’s getting worse by the years but also better idk
The sheer fact that, unlike Asbestos, Copper Paint was ACTUALLY KNOWN TO BE T.O.X.I.C and they didn't give a single fuck made me sick to my stomach. Will working my way through this, just finished Hamilton's segment.
@Pikana Margaret Hamilton didn't give a toss about it either, nor did the actors who wore the same make-up to play the Winkies. The copper was what gave the make-up the green color. It's also worth pointing out that people use copper utensils, copper cookware, and wear copper jewelry. If it was as "T.O.X.I.C." as all that, we wouldn't ever go near the stuff.
Miss Hamilton would tell you to relax and just enjoy the movie.
Damn Emp, another incredibly deep and entertaining video. Ironically, you truly do deserve a bigger stage my man
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Chris Ramsey2021-12-02 09:19:50 (edited 2021-12-02 09:22:26 )
The meaning of and history surrounding the book itself is interesting. It was all about bimetallism, an economic policy that would inflate the money supply by adding silver as a commodity to back currency along with the gold standard that was already in existence. Made popular by William Jennings Bryan (whom the Wizard was based on), the policy was enormously popular with farmers and the layman. Also interesting: Oz refers to ounces (common measurement in gold and silver), the slippers in the book were silver, and the Wicked Witch of the East is a metaphor for the East Coast industrialist establishment It is all quite fascinating, really.
I think "separate the art from the artist" may be the best case for something like Wizard of Oz, though in this case, it's a matter of separating the work from the director and studio behind it. It's sad to see that the actors behind Wizard of Oz never got the compensation the should have deserved for putting their health through such awful torment during the film's production. To me, the actors who suffered on set for Wizard of Oz are the real artists behind it, not the greedy executives or enterprise that funded it.
They got paid, what are you talking about? And they weren't "put through such awful torment," they just did hard work; that's all Jack Haley ever called it.
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Mr. Friendship2021-05-07 19:10:31 (edited 2021-05-07 19:11:05 )
Trivial Fact: The Wizard of Oz book was originally titled as "The Emerald City" but the publishers, who are superstitious, believed that the emerald was a sign of bad luck so they asked Frank to change it. Baum found the name for the fair country drawer on the cabinet file that was named "O - Z". He also named the protagonist Dorothy Gale after his niece who died while writing a book.
Fun fact 3: the wizard of oz story is thought to originally be populist propaganda. The emerald city being a metaphor for big industrial cities like NYC. The tin man being a metaphor for a factory worker, the scarecrow being a metaphor for the farmers that couldnt make enough money to support themselves, and the lion being a metaphor for the democratic presidential cantidate William Jennings Brian who could have brought the populist movement to the white house if he was fully committed.
I find it kinda funny, because my high school marching band was named “The Emerald Aliance”. The year before I joined they did a show called “Wicked” about the Wicked Witch of the West. Just an interesting coincidence.
@Bobby Smith there could be a few reasons. Emeralds will slowly poison you to deatg if you injest them often enough. There used to be a popular clothing dye color called emerald green which was incredibly toxic. Mold is often green.
Fun fact the ruby slippers weren't originally ruby, they were silver.
Ruby red shoes have become a symbol to those in Hollywood for the more sinister and nefarious acts that take place there. A sign that one is part of that club.
@Sphere space Fun Fact 4: Years later after receiving letters from Soviet children, Volkov wrote five more books with his own storyline and characters, diverging from that of Baum (he was uninterested in translating more of Baum's books). Thus creating alternate Oz universe.
"The Emerald City" was one title Baum considered, and in fact the sixth book in the series was called "The Emerald City of Oz." It wasn't emeralds specifically that publishers had a superstition about; just any gems in general.
The story of the filing cabinet has never been confirmed, but as one version of it goes, it was three drawers, labeled A-H, I-N, and O-Z.
Dorothy Gage didn't die while writing a book; she was only a baby.
@DylanA00 That's all rubbish, cooked up by a college professor in the 1960's. The Scarecrow was based on a recurring nightmare Baum had as a child, while the Tin Woodman came from his fascination with tin toys.
@Mr. Friendship You're welcome! The very first adaptation of "Wizard" was a stage musical that began in Chicago in 1902 and soon went to Broadway and became a massive hit. Baum himself was in on the planning stages, which may surprise some people given the huge number of alterations to the story. For just a few examples, Dorothy was aged to 19 so she could have an innocent romance with an Ozite poet called Sir Dashemoff Daily (get it?), she traveled to Oz not with a dog, but with a cow, and the Wizard was actually a full-blown villain.
@DylanA00 >>"populist" aka "not my democracy" kind of democracy
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MC Triple Fatal2022-03-25 22:14:27 (edited 2022-03-25 22:35:45 )
I remember the first time I watched this video, I didn’t want it to end. This is such a well made video but I’m not gonna write a whole essay about it. I’m instead gonna watch it again for like the 5th time Edit: Just got done watching it again. Still such an amazing video
This movie always was special to me. Was my mom’s favourite movie and I remember watching the old 80s VHS and then we got the DVD collection when they first did that. But it was one of the few very early movie’s I genuinely loved. It may have some really fucked up things behind the scenes but I’ll still love the movie
The people freaking out about how "nightmarish" this production was have never been in any kind of acting gig.
I worked in local theater (as in REAL people on a stage not films) and the number of people I met with chemical dependencies, serious mental issues, and suicidal costumes someone wore quintupled every month.
It's incredible that you pulled the ending anecdote out of your recollection when you were writing the epilogue of this video. I aspire to be as talented as you are as a writer someday.
I owned the VHS with an hour or so of production features post-credits and yep, it's no secret that this groundbreaking technicolor marvel came inches from ending several lives. From the Tin Man's toxic powder, the massive lion suit, flammable make-up on the witch during the "vanishing" sequence. It sounded traumatizing.
Still one of the few musicals I can stand, though, so there's that.
The magic was never lost for Judy Garland, Margaret Hamilton, Ray Bolger, or any of the people who worked on it. ANY movie is hard to make, but once you see the result, usually it makes all the effort worth it. That certainly was the case with "Wizard."
@Sir Grim Locksmith VIII She suffered no such thing. She only worked for four hours a day and was great friends with her co-workers. If anyone maltreated her, you may be sure that either Victor Fleming or Mervyn LeRoy would have made sure that person was fired.
@ReaverCity Exactly! Margaret Hamilton easily suffered the most of anyone on that project, and she adored the movie for the rest of her life. She even played the Wicked Witch many more times, both on stage and on television.
In Dory Previn's autobiography she recalls how in the fifties it was common for big stars including Garland to be undergoing treatment in a psychiatric hospital and go into work as if they were fine. The novel 'Valley of the Dolls' accurately portrays all the stars' addiction to drugs. The scene where a star shuts herself in her dressing room for an hour or so is based on when Garland did the same but for three days.
5:19 "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy/Fairies" from Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker ballet. 7:15 "Habanera" from Georges Bizet's Carmen. 9:55Danse Macabre by Camille Saint-Saens.
Listen to the tapes of Judy toward the end of her life that she recorded for an autobiography. Her drunken drugged up rants about the industry are eye opening, such a tortured soul after the ringer she was out through by the evil s.o.b.s in Hollyweird
@they_them yeah, you're gonna get a lock of flak for that opinion but it's the truth. Addicts are some of the most smooth talking people I've ever come across.
It actually gets worse Judy's daughter who also became an actor later Cut Her Off from her life in fact the doorman to Garland's daughter's apartment would say that Garland's daughter does not want to see her mother right now
@3g0st of course, but statistically speaking addicts are full of shit WAY more often than non-addicts. if you’ve spent anytime around them you would know this.
and that doesn’t mean they’re not worthy of respect, or that they’re liars. but factually speaking, addicts are in one of the most desperate situations that humanity can face. so yes, sometimes they’re going to lie to get what they want/need.
@High Council Judy's relationships with a lot of people became strained in her later years. But blood is thicker than booze, and Liza, along with her siblings Lorna and Joey Luft, always speaks of their mother with fondness and nostalgia. I imagine after her own struggles, Liza gained a new empathy for what her mum had to deal with.
Is Bollywood just as bad? Yeah, but more dangerous? Definitely! Nepotism is fine but not perfect, but preventing an actual newcomer from entering Bollywood is the real problem. I’ve been watching Tried and Refused productions videos for months now.
@Slapstick Genius I know little about the behind-the-scenes doings of Bollywood, but as for danger, I remember seeing a sequence with a crowd of men dancing on top of a moving train (and no, it wasn't done with Special FX)!
Great video! Only thing I would like to point that newer studies on Pyramids of Giza has shown that the pyramid is dated closer to 12,000 old which is roughly same age as Göbekli Tepe in Turkey. There is also found a lot of water marks around pyramid (and in Sphinx) which indicates the builders perhaps used some kind of water system to build it.
This video is a benchmark for the line 'great art isn't achieved without great suffering'. Vincent Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, Nikola Tesla to name a few: all had rough upbringings to make pieces that would surpass their own existence.
My mother hates this movie with a fiery passion she thinks it’s creepy and frankly I don’t really blame her for thinking that one time years ago I was surfing through the guide on the tv and found the wizard of oz and I said hey mommy your favorite movie is on and she said what and I said the wizard of oz and she said NOT IN MY HOUSE!!!!!!! Her actual favorite movie is Forrest Gump and honestly I think Forrest Gump is the greatest movie ever made in its genre
Im with her on this point, all horrible things made in the production aside, the movie just feels so fucking weird, how can someone like that shit? just looks like a twisted up dark movie blended as a child's film
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Goku KAMEHAMEHA2021-09-26 23:36:56 (edited 2021-09-26 23:37:31 )
Also the production of this movie was cursed beyond belief look it up the guy who originally played the tin man was essentially poisoned buy the makeup which was made of pure aluminum dust then 9 days after filming started he was hospitalized sitting under an oxygen tent but because he wasn’t getting better fast enough they hired another actor to play the tin man and instead of using the makeup they mixed it into a paste and he ended getting a terrible infection in his eye from it thank god it was treatable Toto got stepped on because the movie was the first to be filmed in technicolor the set was suffocatingly hot the witch got third degree burns on her face during a botched take of when Dorothy splashed water on her not to mention her broom caught fire at point the scarecrow had to wear a mask that made it so he couldn’t sweat that ended up with him having permanent lines on his face Judy Garland pretty much lived like slave only allowed one meal a day and was forced to take barbiturates to keep up with the pace of filming which had a obviously detrimental effect on her health between takes the munchkins got drunk and brawled the cowardly lion’s costume was made out of actual lion hide and weighed about 90lbs it didn’t allow for much ventilation so the actor was constantly sweating it got so bad that it took 2 assistants to dry the costume every night while filming the famous slap seen between Dorothy and the lion Judy garland couldn’t stop giggling and after several ruined takes the director took her aside and slapped her across the face and told her to go in there and work the next take she did it perfectly and Judy may have been molested by the munchkins the witches stunt double spent months in the hospital after a prop broom exploded the actor who played the lion wasn’t allowed to eat while in makeup since it was so difficult to apply but eventually he put his foot down and requested a makeup redo after lunch they almost cut over the rainbow Toto got paid yes you read that right he got paid more than most munchkins Judy earned much less than her friends aka the other actors so yeah like I said cursed as hell
@Goku KAMEHAMEHA Buddy Ebsen wasn't poisoned, and the aluminum powder was part of his make-up, not all of it. It was two weeks into filming, and it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be able to continue. After he had spent two weeks in hospital and a further month at home, MGM cast him in two more movies, which both came out in the same year as "Wizard."
Jack Haley got over his eye infection-- which wasn't "terrible," just painful-- in four days, and eye infections can be triggered by just about anything.
"Toto got stepped on because the movie was the first to be filmed in technicolor" What's that supposed to mean? Terry's paw was stepped on and sprained, requiring a double for her until she got back two weeks later. She fared a lot better than one of the dogs who played Toto in "The Wiz": that dog got killed.
"(T)he witch got third degree burns on her face during a botched take of when Dorothy splashed water on her" Would you please explain how water would burn her? Never mind, don't bother; Margaret Hamilton's injury (third degree burns to her right hand and second degree burns to her face) occurred on the Munchkin City set when she was making her exit. She survived and got on with her work because she loved playing the character, which was a huge change from the spinsters and schoolmarms she usually played. Back to the melting scene, her broom was supposed to be set alight so she could set fire to the Scarecrow's arm.
Most people who wear prosthetic appliances even today find their pores closed up and unable to sweat; that's the nature of prosthetics. Ray Bolger wore the Scarecrow's laugh lines for several months, but not permanently.
Judy ate three meals a day; they just consisted of less food than she was used to eating-- which was a lot. She didn't particularly enjoy it, but she wanted to reduce, so she dealt with it. And you say she was "forced to take barbiturates to keep up with the pace of filming." Again, would you please explain how relaxants were supposed to help her "keep up with the pace?" Judy only worked for four hours a day and had plenty of natural energy, and she wasn't forced to do anything.
(You know, punctuation marks are your friends, and they'd be happy to help you.)
None of the Singer Midgets got drunk on the set; it would have meant instant dismissal. SOME of them went out to bars after hours, but even there they did not get into brawls.
Bert Lahr's costume-- and bear in mind that people have been wearing animal skin and fur ever since we've been wearing anything-- was 70 pounds, which was quite enough for him. There were vents in the costume which were opened whenever there was a break, which was every half hour or so.
Judy was not molested by anybody, and it's really disgusting how people are so bigoted against the Singer Midgets.
Betty Danko didn't spend months in the hospital, she spent eleven days.
Lahr was allowed to eat, of course he was allowed to eat. But after a time of having to deal with his make-up having to get repaired after every time he did (that was nothing he had to "put his foot down" for, it was just a natural thing), he opted instead to have milkshakes and suchlike for meals. Oddly enough, he actually gained weight while making the movie.
The near-removal of "Over the Rainbow" scarcely counts as part of your alleged "curse."
Terry did not get paid. Her trainer Carl Spitz, a specialist, was paid $125.00 a week for the five months he worked on the film. The Singer Midgets, who were extras, got paid $100.00 a week for the few weeks they were filming, except for Mickey Carroll, who, thanks to Zeppo Marx of the Marx Brothers, got $500.00 a week.
Of course Judy got paid less; she had only been with MGM for three years. You see, in those days, it didn't matter if you were the headliner; you were paid according to the terms of your contract, and by that time, Judy's contract, which had started at $100.00 a week, had grown to $500.00 a week. It was to have increased to $750.00 a week in 1940, but when "Wizard" proved her marketability, her old contract was torn up and a new one issued which started her in 1940 at $2000.00 a week.
As for the rest of the main cast, they had all been in showbiz longer than Judy (indeed, Lahr's and Frank Morgan's careers had begun before Judy was born), so naturally they got more.
So much for the movie being "cursed." Why don't you look into the films during the making of which people were actually maimed (like Milla Jovovich's stunt double Olivia Jackson in "Resident Evil: The Final Chapter"), paralyzed (like Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double David Holmes in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows"), and killed (like Vic Morrow, Myca Dinh-Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen in "Twilight Zone: The Movie")?
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Goku KAMEHAMEHA2021-10-04 00:20:47 (edited 2021-10-04 00:29:24 )
@UCJ8-kc3kqfchXG_yRI9e6lA number one never call me bigoted because I’m not I’m a humanist I see no difference in anybody to me everyone should have the same rights no matter there race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, disabilities, and what have you to me no one is any less of human in fact I happen to be short myself and have been made fun of because if it I’m about 5”0 now number 2 the line Toto was stepped because the studio was suffocatingly hot was meant to be read as if there was a friggin coma between stepped and because sod for brains number 3 the lion costume was in fact so heavy and hot that at the end of the day it 2 assistants to completely dry it out number 4 did you not read what I said about Judy I said she MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN VIOLATED it hasn’t been confirmed number 5 the other actors all said that the munchkins got drunk and brawled Number 6 the aluminum paint used on the first actor that played the tin man basically poisoned him because it coated his lungs and put him under an oxygen tent after which he was left with permanent bronchitis number 7 go do your research before calling me an idiot and saying punctuation is your friend they’d be happy to help you out what do you think I am an imbecile cause if you do TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND NEVER CALL ME BIGOTED AGAIN BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOUR GOING TO BE MASSACRED WITH WORDS YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
@Goku KAMEHAMEHA Again, punctuation is your friend, and using it will make your comments a lot clearer; if you want things to be "read as if there was a friggin coma (sic)" there, then put a friggin' comma there.
As you've said nothing new as regards the movie, all that I already wrote still stands; Judy was not molested, Buddy Ebsen was not poisoned (he was born with a congenital bronchial condition), I never called you an idiot, nor did I say you were bigoted. I said that some people were bigoted against the Singer Midgets. If you aren't, then why think you are among those people?
I must say, I had to laugh when you told me to do research, because what I wrote is the result of decades of research, hugely informed by the research of Oz historians and the books they wrote. Read these books for the whole story and the real truth of the matter: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Very sad story for the making of one the all-time greatest films. It might be a timeless masterpiece but no one deserved to deal with all of this physical and emotional pain.
I’m glad this is the most viewed film of all time, at least the sacrifices meant something, but it’s crazy what people will do for fame..I suppose if it’s what is important to you and you achieve it, that has to count for something.
It wasn't a case of anyone "doing anything for fame," because most of them were already famous; Bert Lahr and Frank Morgan had careers stretching back to before Judy Garland was born. It was just hard work.
There wasn't as much suffering as some would want you to believe. Buddy Ebsen did have his difficulties which knocked him on his back and out of the picture. Margaret Hamilton did get burned, but did not let it knock her out of the picture. It was hard work under hot lights. But otherwise it was business as usual.
I use to come to Emplemon for his youtube poops 6 years ago. And then all of a sudden he woke me up to the realization of big corporations making videos daily with millions of subscribers, that's what woke me up to that realization. Since then I've subscribed to him and never left. I'm still ashamed I never looked at his Top 10 YTPers to check out until 2019 and such. And even then it was too little too late.
@Blaze404 the thorn would be used for replacing the th but I think it was the French who couldn’t pronounce it so the thorn was replaced with th so if you use the thorn when typing or writing it would be þorn
@MaskedMan66 EMP Lemon used to make Youtube Poops before he started doing commentaries for a little bit, then he switched over to doing documentaries about the various facets of Internet and Pop Culture.
as someone who has an advanced degree in writing and with many friends who do it professionally, know that EmpLemon is absolutely a prodigy in crafting and telling a story. His skill in this area goes beyond what most people achieve in their life, never mind that he's honed it during his early 20s.
•It is self-aware about EmpLemon doing yet another AD for Keeps. • It is a spot-on parody of the Tornado and the Wizard head scenes from the movie. • Once the AD was over, the tone changes from light-hearted to serious.
The amount of effort in the video, even this AD really shows.
You've got a classical overload in this video, and I love it. Bizet, Saint-Säens, and Beethoven, all of whom I heard bits and pieces of just casually watching.
Much of what this video says is either exaggerated or false. The real story can be read in these books: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
I should think that what we're not hearing is about the times when there were long waits while things were getting set up or something that had gone wrong was being fixed. Also, they would have to stop filming when it was time for Judy to go to school, and there would be Bolger, Haley, and Lahr having to "while away the" time until she got back. As it was a couple of hours usually, they'd be able to take off their costumes and chill in their bungalow.
It's amazing to see how the internet both murdered and revived the essayist. I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of high quality video essays are considered a legitimate movement of literature.
I like how this guy talks about anything he wants to, unlike the trendy topic YouTubers (no disrespect meant to them tho). EmpLemon takes his commentary on topics to a more creative level than most other people on this platform.
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Another great video! I'm facinated with the Wizard of Oz and everything that surround its production. Your channel is awesome btw. I just discovered it and been binge watching it since then. Cheers from Brazil.
I'm related to Margaret Hamilton and I was told it was lead paint. She had to hire someone to feed her bread when she went on break during the filming of, "The Wizard of Oz." Thank you so much for this video documentary EmpLemon. It's really sad to hear not that much has changed in the movie industry now going after U.S. veterans and special access programs through the D.O.D. for their content. "You never know when the next big block buster you see in theater was inspired by the Pentagon, or cia."
Man, I remember the old days when you did funny ytps. You’ve really changed the channel around. But hey, it’s not a bad change. Good to see you still going good.
You made me frustrated with your video on operation red herring, and then after a year I watch your video and you don't stop amazing me. I think it's a beautiful thing to know that human beings can be astonishingly impressed at such brilliant creations. I may have had some points I disagreed on with you, but for what it's worth, I think you are a genius.
i think the worst part about this is that pretty much everything that caused the team harm was completely unnecessary so many things were completely avoidable if things were done just barely different
It’s ironic to me how Return To Oz, the much darker film of the two, had far better conditions for its actors and actresses than Wizard Of Oz, the supposedly cheerier and friendlier one.
People here will not agree because they like to sh*t on Hollywood at every turn, but things did improve, which is why conditions are better now. Old Hollywood was brutal though.
@Melissa Cooper I've always thought that it was the most authentic bit of Oz ever filmed, with the possible exception of L. Frank Baum's own Oz movies.
@MaskedMan66 the attractive ones that can't act. Most of them. Not the Steve Buscemis or James Gandolfini types. Look at the Harvey Weinsten story and tell me I'm wrong
@Jimmy McNulty Weinstein wasn't an acting coach. In any case, there are also gorgeous people who are excellent performers (Angie Jolie comes to mind), and there are average-looking people who are lousy at it, yet still get work.
@Lake of Crystalclan Glad to. If doing some genuine research doesn't frighten you away, as it has some people, then read the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@Pwn3r I wouldn't say that things are better now. There are still accidents, and far worse ones than befell anybody in the MGM Wizard. For a start, nobody died making that movie, which sadly can't be said for a lot of actors and crew in many movies and T.V. shows since.
@Kyle Morello The Gump was animatronic with perhaps a little human assistance down under the sofa; I don't know how many people operated it in all.
Jack was brought to life both as a rod puppet with animatronic features and fingers, and by a man in a suit for scenes of Jack walking and running, which would have been too complicated for the puppet.
@Shelby Seelbach I watched it every year from the early 70's to when they stopped the annual broadcasts in the 80's, then saw several revivals at theaters and even went to an outdoor showing (at which Margaret Pellegrini and Clarence Swenson appeared), as well as dozens of viewings on tape and DVD.
So how about you tell us what in the movie itself promotes abuse?
@Shelby Seelbach You didn't, but you seemed to be agreeing with "Richard Anderson," who did, since your first remark addressed to me was in response to my answer to him when he said, "wizard of oz promoted abuse."
@MaskedMan66 Please point out where I "seemed to be agreeing" with anyone. Give me the quote of what I said that led you to believe I was agreeing with someone else's comment. I'll wait.
@MaskedMan66 You said you've seen Wizard of Oz more times than you can count. I responded that it seems like you can't count very high then. How has that confused you so much? It was a simple one sentence response that made a direct statement.
@Shelby Seelbach In that case, your remark doesn't make any sense at all. It's an ordinary expression to say that something you've seen or heard "more times than you can count" means that you've seen or heard it innumerable times.
It seriously blows my mind how little context people who complain about contemporary issues today have for just how far we've come. There's not a single institution in the west that would ever treat anyone like these actors and society is so unassuming and broadly accepting no one is ever expected to deal with it if they are subjected to psychological torture like this in some fluke of society.
Im not saying everyone should shut up about issues in the modern era, there's no shortage of them and we shouldn't just not care because it was worse before, it's just annoying how many young voices in particular complain like we are still as bad as this video showed 1930's America like they have any business or wisdom making that judgement.
What started off as a dark behind recounting of the og Wizard of Oz production ended up being an analyzes of the deepest desires of humankind: the desire for immortality. Amazing.
Which wasn't really what it was all about. Most of the people involved were already famous and had already made movies; "Wizard" was Jack Haley's 35th big screen production, for instance. Besides which, nobody had any inkling of what the future held for that movie. And nothing was "dark," it was just hard work, like any movie.
i knew there was some controversy surrounding the movie, but I never knew the extent of how bad it really was this is horrifying I feel so bad for all these people...
They wouldn't want to be pitied, and things weren't as bad as this video paints them. Here are some books for your perusal; they contain the unvarnished, yet unsensationalized, facts: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
"Oh yeah, the Cowardly Lion must've sucked wearing all that fur." *looks at the Wicked Witch and Tin Man, remembering this is the age of lead-lined paint* Oh...oh God
@Slender Man 186 Considering the fact that actors have been wearing greasepaint (main component: oil) on stage and screen since the 1860's and nobody's brought up any particular health concerns from it, I'd say nobody in "Wizard" was the least bit worried. And of course, nobody had any aftereffects.
@MaskedMan66 ya know, except for the lung damage from the aluminum face paint and Alzheimer’s onset by the copper face paint. There were definitely concerns raised about it, as shown in this video.
@Slender Man 186 While that's true, not everyone suffered from the effects of the paint. Who knows, people 100 years from today might say our paint was toxic too and we just don't notice it.
@Hannah BG except it doesn’t take a wizard to figure out that breathing in metals is bad for your health. Hell, lead has been known to be toxic since before the Roman Empire.
@Slender Man 186 Yes, I know that. They just used it because they were stupid and greedy. Other film makers and directors wouldn't most likely disagree with the usage of it.
@MaskedMan66 oh excuuuse me, it was aluminum powder, that was being used as face paint. Injesting copper has been linked to Alzheimer’s striking earlier than normal, just because it took 50 years for it to form doesn’t mean it’s not related. By that same logic, smoking has no link to cancer since it takes roughly 40 years for the cancer to develop. And no, aluminum cans never come in contact with food or drink in a major way, there’s always a protective plastic layer inside cans, and aluminum foil similarly has two layers to prevent aluminum oxide from getting into your food.
@Slender Man 186 No, the paint was greasepaint, whose primary component is oil. Now, when Jack Haley took over the role, the make-up was modified to an aluminum paste, but guess what? Haley suffered no ill effects from that (apart from an eye infection of the sort that can be caused by anything getting into a person's eye, and which cleared up in four days), certainly no lasting effects.
I didn't say anything about aluminum cans, but I suspect you've heard of aluminum foil, which does indeed touch the food that's stored and/or cooked in it. But as you've brought them up, I've never encountered an aluminum can comprised of anything but aluminum.
So I take it you've seen a medical report on Margaret Hamilton proving beyond all shadow of doubt that the make-up she wore (which was the same make-up worn by all the Winkies in the movie) was directly and irrevocably linked to her mental deterioration. No? Then don't act as if you have. You're joining the rest of the tinfoil hat brigade by trying to make such connections.
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Slender Man 1862021-05-28 18:24:28 (edited 2021-05-31 16:26:46 )
@MaskedMan66 greasepaint That had oxidized copper and aluminum in it to give it the green/silver color. So we’re now just blatantly ignoring the lung problems caused by the aluminum face paint for both actors that used it?
You brought up food being stored in aluminum, not me. So you’ve never seen a modern soda can? Because all of those have a plastic lining in them, aluminum foil also has a layer to prevent aluminum poisoning. Trying reading the comment you’re responding to, I’ve already brought this up.
“Tinfoil hat brigade” tf are you even talking about? You can’t even be consistent, one second your talking about aluminum being used in storing food, the next you’re saying you never brought it up.
@Slender Man 186 Buddy Ebsen was born with a bronchial condition; the aluminum powder which was dusted on (not in) the oil-based greasepaint (which actors have worn for centuries and still do) didn't cause his problems. Margaret Hamilton experienced no breathing difficulties.
"You brought up aluminum being stored in food"
LOL No, I brought up FOOD being stored in ALUMINUM, and I never denied that. You were the one who brought cans into the confab. (I think you need to re-read my comments) And on that subject, the last aluminum soda can I crushed and pulled apart (last week) was just like all the other ones I've disposed of in like manner: aluminum through and through with not a trace of plastic. So I don't know where you get yours from.
The "tinfoil hat brigade" is a term used to describe conspiracy theorists and crackpots of the sort who will fashion such headgear in order to receive transmissions from extraterrestrial or extradimensional beings whom they believe to be running our world. They come up with crazy ideas like, for instance, something an actor wore for a movie role causing him or her physical or mental problems half a century after the fact.
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Slender Man 1862021-05-31 17:05:13 (edited 2021-05-31 17:09:00 )
@MaskedMan66 I’ve worn grease paint, it didn’t have aluminum in it, stop acting like that’s a component in every grease paint, neither is copper. I never claimed Margaret had breathing difficulties, I mentioned how she developed Alzheimer’s and how copper ingestion is linked to it.
Yes yes, I f**ked up and mixed up aluminum and food, lol rofl kek, mainly due to the stupidity of your comment. You bring up how aluminum is used in storing foods, I bring up how those methods require a protective layer to prevent the user from accidentally poisoning themselves, and you denied ever bringing it up like a crazy person, that’s exactly what happened, and now you’ve flip flopped again. Keep you story straight for more than one comment dude.
I know what a tinfoil hat wearer is, why are you even using that term to begin with? Go figure inhaling metals would lead to the worsening of preexisting health problems, especially when it was already shown with the previous tin man that used the face paint that it definitely caused breathing issues, that’s hardly a stretch. It’s also not a stretch to assume that the copper face paint is what caused the Alzheimer’s when the link between the two was already proven, and from what I could find the actress had no family history of Alzheimer’s either. It doesn’t matter that the base of the paint was oil, it still had metal in it that was being inhaled. I mean ffs this isn’t rocket surgery. Yes, medical problems can develop years and even decades after the incident that caused them, this isn’t anything new, lead poisoning takes a similarly long time to develop depending on the dosage.
@Slender Man 186 That clinches it: you've only skimmed my comments. I made it quite clear earlier that greasepaint's main component is oil.
I quote you to you again: "So we’re now just blatantly ignoring the lung problems caused by the aluminum face paint for both actors that used it?"
"Both actors." So yes, you did say that Margaret had breathing difficulties.
I've maintained all along that aluminum foil has been used for the storing and cooking of food, with no intermediate layer of anything between it and the food. If you know what a tinfoil hat wearer is, then why the heck did you ask?
Again, Buddy Ebsen's bronchial condition was not caused by the aluminum powder, just aggravated by it. He was born with a congenital bronchial condition. Born with it. Thirty years before he played the Tin Woodman, he already had a bronchial condition. Got it now?
You show me a medical report on Margaret Hamilton's Alzheimer's which directly links it to the make-up she wore a half century before, and then we'll talk. And you'd best look into the medical history of the men who played her soldiers, as they wore the same formulation. Because at the moment, you're just speculating.
@grey. I know, but the point still stands. Lead was known to be toxic since Ancient Rome, yet it was still used to paint houses thousands of years later, even though it was known that the paint would chip away and be consumed by something, usually small kids who thought it tasted good. That’s how my mom got lead poisoning.
Putting aluminum and copper grease paint near people’s mouth and eyes is even worse, you’re just asking for an infection.
@Slender Man 186 Jack Haley was the only one who got an infection when he happened to get a bit in his eye-- mark you, that can happen with just about any substance-- and he was over it in about four days.
But there was no lead in any of the make-up. Seriously, some folks on these threads seem to have a mania for lead poisoning.
Okay serious question, has anyone tried listening to Dark Side of the Moon while watching this? Honestly, knowing Emp’s love of prog rock (Pink Floyd especially) and memes (internet and cultural), I wouldn’t be surprised if he deliberately paced the video to match certain beats to a portion of that album.
I actually played the role of the Lion back in kindergarden, alongside many other kids. Imagine a bunch of children running around in 45+ kg suits. Sheesh.
Not entirely accurate. You mean to say, "the adapters of the Wizard of Oz." The original author of the Oz books had no involvement with the movie since he had died years prior.
This applies less to this video than almost any other, but I do think it's silly when people say that Emp doesn't YTP anymore. Almost every single video of his has some form of remixing, where he reworks various source materials. I think it makes your documentary styles more appealing than any other youtuber's other than maybe Jon Bois.
I think mediums of art, such as YTP often have a larger impact upon other works, such as documentaries and therefore, Emp's documentaries will carry the YTP torch further than anybody who didn't evolve. Love the videos.
Making a grand movie that isn't as profitable for prestige is still a very profit-driven strategy, you're forgetting how important brand identity is to a corporation. This "doing something for the sake of making something bigger than yourself" is how executives exploit artistic passion to this end. It was true back then and it is true now. CD Project Red is a very good modern example- they say the same stuff about how they make no ordinary video games but monuments to art and it isn't a job for just anyone- all to exploit artistic passion for the bottom line. I don't need to tell you how unsustainable this is (just look at their recent work!) and how great works get made in spite of capitalist exploitation, not because of it.
I was in theater in High and Middle School (because I was good at acting and it gave me good grades lol) but I 100% agree, I had to deal with some specimen up there. Granted I was a bit weird myself, but those I saw were either the most socially awkward in the world or the most self centered of narcissist, there was no in between. There were some genuinely good people that I encountered there, but yeah no thank you I probably wouldn't do it again
Holy shit, as our highschool play we had to do a mashup of Oz and Wonderland, it was torture dealing with theatre kids, not to mention the material was awful
Though seriously, my high school's choir when I went there around 2010-ish kicked ass and was friendly to everyone. We had theater kids, jocks, nerds, populars, punks, conservatives, liberals... nearly the whole spectrum of the student body.
The theatre troupe I’m in is prized as the most normal. It’s really tamed down by the fact that we’re in a Catholic school, and that our theatre teacher is somewhat conservative. We went to see a production at a public school and one person had a rainbow Mohawk and another was a real life goth. We still do have narcissists though, so that sucks. Moral of the story, theatre is the radical Islam of high school.
one of my past friends said that her brother (i think?) was in a Wizard of Oz play as Scarecrow, and the worst he suffered was a part of his costume catching on fire with no injuries. meanwhile the shit that happened in the actual film studio... yikes...
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Mike Barnes2021-05-08 22:37:40 (edited 2021-05-08 22:39:54 )
Bullshit. Your little high school did not use any of these toxic materials and pyrotechnics did it? What about prescription drugs? No? I didn't think so
@Tom Servo I give theatre kids all the right to criticize other theatre kids. Not all are cliquey, but so many are. And I was sort of a theatre kid until I was 10. Only at a summer camp though. If I had stuck with it I would have done well enough with it but there is something about the domination of cliquey culture that’s hard to stomach.
@Michael Blaine I honestly can’t remember who I played in some summer camp mini-revue like 20 years ago. Prolly the scarecrow. Coulda stuck with being a theatre kid but didn’t.
I did actually,Megan(the understudy) and I dated for 2 years. That’s why I winked. I forgot all about my crush when I met her. I’m not sure if that makes me sound like a pig or a gentleman. All other girls become invisible to me once I’m in a relationship so I guess that’s positive😜
The only good thing is that you aren't feed on drugs but it's still worse than having a 200 wagon long train pulled by 5 locomotives losing control and hitting another train at 90mph
Oh Jesus, I'm having flashbacks to going out to McDonald's after school, before rehearsal with theater kids... and them feeling it's appropriate to have an impromptu barbershop quartet rendition of "For The Longest Time" in our booth complete with snapping and those wry, clever smiles and looks barbershop quartets give as they sing. It was painful.
I was new to the theater scene in my school, only started in my junior year, so I still didn't know these kids very well.
The whole film just gives me the creeps nowadays, having learnt about the horrific production. It's a great movie but whenever I hear one of the songs or see one of the sets I just shudder.
It wasn't "horrific"; it was hard work-- as any movie is-- and accidents happened, but that doesn't mean that sinister forces were at work. And you'd do well to bear in mind that the actors and crew were very proud of their achievements. Margaret Hamilton, who went through the worst experience, adored it and the WWW until her dying day.
I've known about this I've I remember delving into this topic back in highschool, such a fascinating and sad situation. Showed this video too my mother a few months back, she was shocked and I don't blame her 💔
A better idea would be having her read these books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" by Scarfone and Stillman.
I'm all for talking about Wizard of Oz and those tragedies, but the main thesis here is the fact that Nintendo can't stand at our alters of nostalgia forever. Maybe we individually don't think we are contributing to the problem but like Emplemon is saying, by not caring about what they do to the individual communities Nintendo will make business practices that keeps eeking over their franchises maintaining their stranglehold over what we are allowed to enjoy with them. We can't exactly equivocate these actions like the actual tangible tragedies from other companies but let's not let them drive us to the next one.
This video has some amazing lines. "Unlike Dorothy, Judy Garland never made it over the rainbow." Actually made me tear up. And then the closing "We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life, but at the very least, art can get us pretty damn close."
yes, she did. Even with all her Peccadilloes she earned her wings. She worked hard and wanted to really please her audiences. She made it Over the Rainbow.
@mickeymouse2able Here's a story about Judy and her huge heart.
A little girl who went to see "Wizard" when it opened became sick soon afterward and was put in hospital. She wrote to MGM asking if Dorothy could pay her a visit. They gave Judy the letter and she wrote back to the girl promising that she would. She wasn't able to dress as she had in the movie because all the costumes had been put into storage already, but she put on a simple frock and went to the hospital and visited with the little girl as long as the doctor permitted. She even sang "Over the Rainbow" to her. The doctor and the girl's mother thanked her with tears in their eyes when she had to leave.
And not only did the girl recover, but later in life, she became a singer herself!
Man, studios should do "prestige" films again. Big Films that exist as art, and not as something to earn money, not even their budget back. It really does show just how corporate Hollywood is now.
I'm not particularly aware of what exactly a prestige film entails, but by the definition in the video, Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean would be prestige films too right?
@BillyBro Lord of the Rings is debatably a prestige film, sure, but I highly doubt Pirates could be considered one.
From my understanding, a prestige film was essentially spending oodles of money on a making the highest quality film, and having little expectation of making said money back. You're not making the film for business in this case, but "prestige", thus the name.
I doubt Pirates was ever thought to be anything other than financially successful for Disney, but I can totally see how Lord of the Rings being filmed by Peter Jackson was highly risky and ambitious.
I made a speech for my freshman year of college talking about the dangers of "Uncomfortable costumes", but it only covered from 1977 to today. We have come a long way since the Wizard of Oz, but we still have a long way to go.
Poor Judy. She was so beautiful. =[ All these stars were treated like crap. The studio system was really bad, they owned Hollywood back then and that’s why the LA police were so corrupt (why shit like the Black Dahlia was never solved) Hollywood is a strange beast.
Wow. Holy shit. The amount of care put into the safety of the actors was almost exactly 0% fuck s given, amazing. I bet she was like “see I told you fire was a bad idea” after the broom exploded
There's one important thing to consider. Back then movie tickets didn't cost 20 dollars. The costs and regulations today make everything so expensive it's harder to take risk on a loss. That's not just true for movies but for everything. Life is getting so expensive and the rise in costs are accelerating. This is how civilizations collapse. Eventually people can no longer afford to live, and the system breaks down. Oh, but at least actors get treated like gods for their ability to play pretend..
@Name Nameson I bet you're fun at parties, weirdo. I'm not even into movies & I'm not a fan of the corporate oligarchs pumping out shlock disguising itself as film but do you really feel that much spite for famous people to the point where your reaction to hearing about horrific working conditions is to say that they should be placed at the bottom of the barrel? These are fellow men who went through a lot of crap to give you a piece of art. You make a point about people not caring about workers who put themselves in danger yet you don't care about those who went through worse conditions than ol' Bob the Builder from down the street just because they're rich & famous.
I do think actors should be taken down a peg in percieved importance. If A list actors had the same clout as smaller actors, that would be pleasant.
But i disagree with Acting being a useless profession. Stories have value for humans. The better the final product is, the better an "actor" is serving the public by entertaining them
@Striker Squirrel Well said, and as an actor, I agree wholeheartedly; them in Hollywood make way too much money. It's teachers, doctors, police, and first responders who deserve the millions if anyone does.
It's amazing that this was the golden age of Hollywood and this was the work conditions. I think working in a factory was better because that may not physical or mentally scar you.
Wizard of Oz had a pretty awful production, but during its time it's probably the most advance film in the 30's, but the cost of that is pretty much awful
They didn't. Judy Garland, Margaret Hamilton, and Ray Bolger were among the film's biggest fans.
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Noor Spetsialist2021-08-11 16:51:36 (edited 2021-10-20 04:17:13 )
12:46 Sad fact: When Toto (real name is Terry) died, her remains were buried in L. A. But later, a highway was built right on his grave and her body has been distributed into the soil.
Whether you like this movie or not, you HAVE to have mad respect for those actors who were forced to work on this film under the conditions they were forced to undergo.
And the fact they were able to put on such stellar performances despite what was going on behind the scenes is absolutely astonishing.
They weren't "forced" to do anything; that is, nobody put guns to their heads and said, "Do this or die!" It wasn't the first time people had to deal with discomfort for acting roles, and it certainly wasn't the last. Anthony Daniels comes to mind.
@👁 DMT Infinity 👁 Who exactly was risking their "career, repetition (sic), financial security, and future opportunities" more with "Wizard" than with any other project they ever did? Most of the cast were well embarked on their careers, including Bert Lahr and Frank Morgan, whose careers began before Judy Garland was born and showed no signs of stopping.
As if this whole issue is about me, which you seem to want to make it (and which could be seen as evasiveness on your part, not actually wanting to address the film's production), then it may interest you to know that I've researched this movie for about four decades, that research being largely informed by the even more in-depth investigations of Aljean Harmetz, who wrote "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977)-- for which she interviewed 48 people who worked on the film-- John Fricke, who wrote "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989), and Jay Scarfone and William Stillman, who worked with Fricke on the latter book, as well as writing "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019).
You would do well to read those books. Then not only I, but you will know what I'm talking about.
@Aisling O'Keeffe The only thing I reply to is misinformation as regards one movie, namely "The Wizard of Oz." If you'd read my comments rather than just counting them, you'd realize that.
@👁 DMT Infinity 👁 LUL typical of a dmt abuser to be unable to talk about anything without mentioning it. Bet you and Joe “DMT and edibles!!!” Rogan would get along famously
@DOC O.G. No, I have that many comments (and more) of me presenting the truth. Truth isn't an argument, it's simply facts. As for my life, it's wild, rich, and on the whole, tax-free.
"No, I have that many comments (and more) of me presenting the truth. Truth isn't an argument, it's simply facts. As for my life, it's wild, rich, and on the whole, tax-free."
@MaskedMan66 ok go ahead and “educate” this person in the youtube comments section. You sound like a 14 year old on twitter. Also please don’t respond back, Im not going to reply back
@verrpis Responding back anyway, because this, folks, is an illustration of the mindset of too many people nowadays. It's directly equivalent to sticking one's fingers in one's ears and singing "LA-LA-LA" at the top of one's lungs. People like this are living in willful ignorance, which is a large part of why the world is in such a mess today.
@MaskedMan66 So you don't deny that you eat foreskins... Plus, you WERE defending Hollywood's cruel practices. Yeah, I'm sure it must be soooo easy for those actors and actresses to just leave.
Sad that those actors, even by putting up great performances above all that was happening, in the end got their talent exploited. I agree with the message at the end, but still wonder at what cost you should sacrifice yourself for art, and even when that can be somehow admirable.
Oz was already a phenomenon, and had been so since 1900. There had been a smash hit musical on Broadway in the first decade of the 20th century, as well as a multimedia presentation that L. Frank Baum toured with, as well as silent movies, radio shows, advertising campaigns, other stage productions, and of course for many years, a new Oz book was put out annually at Christmastime.
It's kind of ironic that you used the Mona Lisa to show art outlasting the artist when, in all reality, Leonardo Da Vinci is proably going to be an immortal in the public mind. The man is still taught in schools in both art and history classes. It's very rare, and really only happens with these prolific artists and polymaths when they're one of only a few members of a wave of art movement, but still. Da Vinci may be in the grave now, but he'll never die a true death. He'll be remembered as long as there are humans at this point.
This gives me a new appreciation for the wizard of oz movie and the actors who acted in it. They literally suffered permanent damage from being in it. But considering how influential and famous the film was it really begs the question if it was worth it.
They didn't suffer "permanent damage," literally or figuratively. Wounds heal, as theirs did. Other people have suffered worse on other movies. Three actors died while making "Twilight Zone: The Movie."
According to Judy, Margaret, and Ray, and others, "Wizard" was most certainly worth the effort.
@spooky-yuki Seriously, what is with the hostility and the invective? Learn about this movie from reliable, authoritative sources and you'll see what a load of codswallop all the rumors are. This is about the movie, not your misperceptions about me.
You know, I usually consider myself as fairly numb to the horrors of the world but Jesus Christ that is a dark story. Imagine you're a young, self-loathing actress in the 30s and you get hooked on meth just to be able to perform..
Judy Garland never used meth in her life. And she wasn't self-loathing either, just insecure. The story isn't dark, and at that time in her life, Judy Garland was not some timid little tissue-paper waif, she was a ballsy jitterbug who had her own mind and spoke it.
@Jinxed Swashbuckler As someone who grew up in a post communist country this is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard lmao. Same goes for the absolute geniuses in this thread comparing communism to capitalism.
@Cyann as someone who grew up in a post industrial society i can assure you it is bullshit when someone claims the industrial revolution was a disaster on the human race
@Uphill-Evolution US v Paramount pictures was the reason this stuff stopped happening though. The Government stepped in and told these companies they couldn't monopolize the industry which led to higher freedom for everyone involved, except those at the top of course.
@Cyann notice the implication "almost as bad" and not "as bad" or "worse than." No one in this comment threat is denying the grey misery that is living in a communist or post-communist society, but by that same token I hope you're not denying the miserable struggles of those who find themselves living just above or underneath the poverty line (a struggle directly caused and/or amplified by the structural inequities of capitalism, especially in its purest, most unregulated form) and perpetuating the old myth of American-style capitalism as being this "free consumerist paradise;" if you've been living a better life under capitalism then I'm happy for you, but unfortunately not everyone would boast of that same experience.
@Cyann I grew up in a post-communist country too, that's why I know it's worse, possibly the worst possible system around that's mainly supported by people I'm not convinced are fully human.
However, if you fail to see how capitalism is vulnerable to constant exploitation, I don't know what to tell you, you must live in a wonderful fantasy world lmfao. Now let's link arms and go topple more governments to protect the petrodollar, good times!👍
@Alexander McCabe where did I say there are capitalist governments? Quote the exact line. Where did I call capitalism a system? If you have trouble grasping basic English, ask your caretaker to explain it to you, I'm sure they can take it slow enough even for you.😂
@Kermit 2 no, capitalism did not put billions of people into poverty. That would imply people were better off before or without capitalism somewhere. Before the industrial revolution, what we today would call third world poverty was the norm everywhere, where most people toiled in short miserable lives. It was the normal state of human existence. Nothing else has reduced poverty by any comparable amount as free market capitalism has. Look into something called the Index of Economic Freedom if you want more data. Comparing first world problems to third world poverty and saying "well both sides have their issues" is a huge false equivalence. If anything, third world places today like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea suffer from the absence of economic freedom, in the same way that cold scientifically is the absence of heat, it doesnt have a direct cause.
@Kermit 2 well I think a lot of things people find seemingly wrong with capitalism could be the result of government intervention. By having companies pay for your health care, that's less money for your actual paycheck and it makes health care costs more expensive for everyone. (Because there's no incentive to not have "free" insurance cover routine predictable expenses it's not needed for.) And discourages people from seeking a better job for fear of not getting the same benefits. College was a lot more affordable before the government started offering student loans to make it more affordable. But really the biggest problem in the US right now is the political system is deeply polarized, too many people of all views feel completely unrepresented and the two parties are as powerful as ever despite record poll numbers saying we need a third party option. Issues are not getting addressed in a constructive way. Having ranked choice voting and maybe even proportional representation would drastically improve our government.
@Jinxed Swashbuckler I think I know what brand of people you're talking about What the Elves of Middle-Earth call the Dwarves (and what the Dwarves call themselves lol)
I often think of the gradual fading of my favorite and beloved idols. Musicians, actors, and other public figures have been around long before me and sometimes even when my parents were young. These great generations are slowly but surely going. It is a sad and bittersweet reminicience.
It’s so sad what happened to the cast especially with Margaret Hamilton she forgot herself and her accomplishments likely to the point that she wouldn’t know what she ate for breakfast it’s so sad that this all happened because mgm just wanted to make a quick buck for almost a year they were all tortured and even doing things that would cause premature death and addiction in a way the people behind the screen were murders it’s so sad I will never look at this company the same way again
Margaret Hamilton's Alzheimer's had no link with Wizard (which, by the way, was not the only accomplishment she forgot; she had a long and prolific career). Nobody wanted to "make a quick buck"; MGM was in the moviemaking business, and therefore they made movies; Wizard was one of 41 movies they released in 1939. Nobody was tortured, and nothing they went through in making the movie caused "premature death and addiction." Judy's addictions began in adulthood, and if you're calling Buddy Ebsen's death premature, then explain how it took him 65 years to die.
Darkness, schmarkness. It was, as Jack Haley said, hard work. Here are your sources for the real story: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
I guess art does outlive the artist in many ways because I could probably perfectly quote this movie and give very niche facts about it…. But I have never seen the wizard of oz in all my 23 years of life lol
It's interesting bc it seems like several of these problems had to do with the movie being in colour. Wizard of Oz was one of the very first movies done in colour, and that was obviously one of the main selling points (heck, the slippers were silver in the book, but ruby pops out so much better). The health problems with the makeup probably could've been avoided if they didn't have to worry about the colour. I wonder if the movie was black-and-white, would they have to make the lighting so intense? Of course this is just me speculating but it's interesting to think about.
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John Creed2021-10-09 19:39:30 (edited 2021-10-09 19:39:59 )
Judy Garland deserves much more respect with what she had to go through. Everyone else involved deserved better for that matter.
I did the first, honest-to-god, no bullshit, genuine and unintended spit-take of my 30 year life at the 12:06 mark when he said that what the fuck I was seeing on my screen was Asbestos being used as snow, with the actors absolutely coated in the shit, and it's presence being so thick in the air so as to create a general haze across the whole screen. I had already heard like 10-12 things by that point which were entirely despicable/infuriating, AND I was already somewhat familiar with the notion that the set of The Wizard of Oz was a bit of a dumpster fire. But that information took the whole fucking cake. Just... O__O
The snow was crushed gypsum. The most reliable sources for info on this movie are the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
I wonder what it is that draws a certain type of person to leadership positions in Hollywood year after year, decade after decade. Like do they have a factory somewhere where they produce those monsters?
But this isn't any kind of power, as it comes with the ability to get whatever you want when it comes to sexual relations, and victims that are often too scared to fight back.
Lots of industries are like that. The majority, I'd say. Hollywood is just funner to dissect because that's where alot of our entertainment comes from.
What you say about the pyramids is at odds with archaeological consensus. They were built by skilled laborers and artisans who were generally well treated and well paid by standards of the time.
It's possible to create great structures and great movies without torturing people. DaVinci didn't die of brush strokes on the way to "immortality".
Mistreating yourself or workers is a warning sign of your own incompetence, not a step to greatness.
Learning this film was made in the late 30s makes a ton of sense. Less regulations and way more competition. Always thought Oz was made in the 80s or something. This sounded like actual hell.
People also didn't know yet some things might have been dangerous like the asbestos as snow, they just knew it looked good on camera.....Buddy Ebsen didn't know he was allergic to the makeup at the time...Some people don't find out they're allergic to something until they do it.
I got the reference you were making by playing music from the Dark Side of the Moon album. Watching the film with that album is a psychedelic experience!
Reminds me of how Malcolm MacDowell was basically tortured while making A Clockwork Orange. From the director Stanley Kubrick making his character have a pet snake when MacDowell has a fear of snakes, to him nearly drowning in one of the stunts, to him suffering long lasting eye damage from one of the more iconic scenes.
@Raymunator I was about to mention Kubrick's psychotic perfectionism in The Shining. Causing Shelley Duvall to literally lose strands of hair on set from all the stress and pressure he brought to her. Literally dozens and dozens of takes Duvall had to go through. Screaming in the bathroom scene if I'm correct. But yeah. Despite Kubrick's genius directing, he was an asshole.
@That’s one smug wojak and 1 plus 1 equals 3 too? That's not what I said. I said her acting was shit. I'm surprised Kubrick wanted to keep her honestly. I'm sure she's fine in other roles but she just didn't fit that role in my opinion.
@That’s one smug wojak sorry about my response as well, that was pretty rude of me. Thinking about it now though, her very frail form and acting would fit the backstory of an abusive father in Jack.
just to think that art can be bigger than the artist itself, how big it could get and how many times it happend on the trails of time.. this could be one of those fates that are worse than death itself
@MaskedMan66 My dad doesn’t like Mickey Rooney too much. Apparently when he was growing up, he was forced to watch all the Andy Hardy movies alongside his brothers and sisters as part of an archaic family activity known as Movie Night. I can only imagine the intense discomfort and suffering he went through having to watch those films over and over, just sayin’. 😱
@Night Fall forget the mob, I'm wringing the neck of the next guy who tells me I'm not allowed to move an extension cord because that's electrical's job and I'm a carpenter
@Zey Face Okay, so the fact is that the USSR claimed to have a booming economy but organic estimates at the CIA were 1/6th of the claimed value. Wall Street was heavily in bed with the USSR and regularly bailed them out with cash injections when the going got tough. Reagan put a moratorium on investments into the Soviet Union which made him highly unpopular on Wall Street. He then proceeded to engage the Soviets in an arms race knowing he could collapse it.
Reagan was the instrument by which the Cold War ended without a shot and it's not even debatable unless you're completely ignorant. The fall of the Berlin Wall was then inevitable. This was ALL Reagan.
Now, you can argue that the collapse of the USSR ultimately led to the social strife the USA has today because it's never good to lack an enemy as a country. Indeed all the weak children of today are a result of not continuing the Cold War, but to claim Reagan was just there when life happened is either ignorant, stupid or disingenuous.
Jack Haley had this quote about the Wizard of Oz (which may even come up in this video later on) when he was asked if it was a fun and enjoyable experience for him. "It was not fun. Like hell it was fun. It was a lot of hard work. It was not fun at all."
And he was right. Acting in a movie even The Wizard of Oz is not fun and games. It's hard work. They have to memorize their lines. They have to get up at an ungodly hour to get their make-up put on. Not to mention how many times they have to perform a certain scene until it is done just right. Even then it might not make it into the final film.
He starred in a Sunday night radio show before, during, and after the time he was working on "Wizard," and while the movie was in production, he would work in a lot of lines and jokes about how it was to make the movie, and the problems he encountered in his Tin Woodman suit, like being mistaken for a mailbox or someone trying to pull his arm and hit the jackpot. Playing the Woodman exhausted him, but he found the radio show cathartic and welcomed every Sunday evening.
One of the cast members on that show was Lucille Ball, who years later appeared on T.V. on "The Donny & Marie Osmond Show" in a skit called "The Wizard of Oz-mond," in which she played a variation on her old boss's role, namely Tin Lizzie. :-)
@MaskedMan66 Even if it's a requirement, I want you to imagine yourself in those poor souls` shoes, waking up at 4AM during the godly sunrise every single day just to be tortured in god-forsaken costume(s) during acting scenes. It would be Hell.
@MaskedMan66 no, it isn't, actors are not fed meth to be kept up for days straight in physically dangerous situations to the point of almost dying, that is not "just work", that does not still happen, and it was not acceptable than, literally why are you trying to argue this?
@James Bailey Nobody used meth, and the shooting day was only eight hours long-- and being a minor, Judy Garland was only permitted to work for half of that time. She had at least two hours when she had to be taking her lessons from the studio tutor, and the rest was free time.
Read these books and get the real facts: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@MaskedMan66 dude why do you attempt to defend one of the most well documented productions out there, we all know it was horrible, can you explain why you feel the need to pretend that the movie production was not horrible for the actors
@James Bailey The costumes and make-up for Haley and Lahr were uncomfortable. Bolger's costume was not uncomfortable, but his make-up was. The lights were beastly hot. But if you know anything at all about movies, then you know that this was the case not just for "The Wizard of Oz," bur for many movies.
And it's not really that much different now. Studio lights may not be as hot, but for movies that go on location to hot climates, the effect is much the same. Costumes and make-up in many cases have remained stifling and heavy.
Jack Haley certainly had it better in his buckram Tin Woodman costume than Anthony Daniels did in his fiberglass See-Threepio costume. And the hot lights of the "Wizard of Oz" set were shut off at regular intervals for the cast to cool down. Not so the sun over Tunisia, where Daniels, making the first "Star Wars" movie, had to trudge through the desert!
"Wizard" may be a unique film, but its conditions were not. Much harsher conditions, much more uncomfortable situations, and far worse injuries have plagued dozens of other movies.
@James Bailey What I defend is the truth. There are a lot of lies told about this movie and the people in it and the people who made it. I'm just here to set the record straight.
@James Bailey That wasn't what you asked me in the first place, but since you have now, I'll tell you: it's based on one of my favorite stories and contains a brilliant cast and one of the best musical scores ever written. Why, don't you like it?
It's unfortunate that this film's groundbreaking achievements were born from some of the most harsh labor problems, conditions, and hazards to happen in the industry.
Back then, they would use real guns firing live rounds for scenes with shootouts. Plenty of people died or got hurt trying to make movies. It wouldn't be until the 60's that any kind of actual labor standards for film would start to come up in any serious way. Now there is a crap ton of regulations and laws surrounding filmmaking, because of all these things.
@MaskedMan66 no, the fuck it wasn't. this is one of the most horrific productions in film history, why are you trying to defend it? do you think you aren't allowed to like the film if the actors were mistreated?
@James Bailey The actors loved the film, especially Margaret Hamilton. They weren't "mistreated"; it was just hard work, like any movie. "Gone With the Wind" had more woes than "Wizard."
@MaskedMan66 this is not "hard work", getting blown up is not "hard work", being force fed meth is not "hard work", getting copper poisoning and lung problems from inhaling metal is not "hard work". this is not normal for movies. one production being worse does not make this one better. explain why you feel the need to defend this production, what do you gain out of it. you can enjoy the film and acknowledge the actors were mistreated. the actors can like the movie even though they were mistreated. you can't just keep pulling shit out of your ass and then telling people to read three entire books about it
@MaskedMan66 You realize something can be bad even if it wasn't deliberatly intended to be bad right? You understand thosee are not mutually exclusive concepts right? "the books" are a concept, either pull direct quotes or stop bringing them up.
@MaskedMan66 Also you are objectivly denyinh reality by saying no one was giving stimulants against their will or or got health issues from the sets, that just isn't true. again, why are you defending the production like this, what does it matter to you
@James Bailey I am indeed denying that people were given anything against their will, or got "health issues" from the sets. Read up, sir, and learn what really did and did not happen. The books (which require no quotation marks, as they literally are books) are full of information as regards the making of the movie, and supplemented with the words of the people who were there. How you think you can just discount that is bizarre.
I'm the biggest Judy fan ! i know a lot about her life and love her live performances. I've done a couple of her songs in my drag acts. She went on to have a very hard life an d a lot of it stemmed from the abuse she received during this movie and at MGM in general. They're the one who made her start taking the pills.
Her mother was the one who introduced her to barbiturates and amphetamines when she was 13. But she didn't use them during this movie, and was not abused by anyone; LeRoy and Fleming would not have allowed it.
My strongest memory related to this movie is that I got a nosebleed that wouldn't stop for almost an hour while watching it at a friend's house when I was six.
I hope that if/when I go to Hollywood and become a breakthrough director/producer/writer I can help the crews, actors, and people who will work with me on a masterpiece
That's what Victor Fleming did; whatever movies he directed, he always asked for the cast's input on how they felt their characters should be portrayed. For instance, he took Jack Haley's suggestion that everyone should evoke a sense of wonder; Haley did that in the manner in which he spoke as the Tin Woodman, which was the tone of voice he used when reading bedtime stories to his children. And you may remember the Lollipop Guild raising clasped hands over their heads and shaking them like winning athletes; that was an ad lib that Jerry Maren put in during a rehearsal, and Fleming laughed and told him to use it in the movie.
jesus christ. as someone who’s family was in the biz i grew up on golden age hollywood flicks like this. i heard stories of brutal sets and shoots but this goes beyond. I think of Raiders shooting in Tunisia and how they all got dysentery, but cast members almost dying and removing copper paint from a burn victim really puts it all into perspective. I hope at least the actors were proud of what they did at the end, otherwise i really don’t think it was worth it…
"It is art, not the artist, that stands the test of time." People will remember you for what you do, because it's your actions that define who you are.
More like "that's a very obvious observation of mortality, Emp." As is the case with this comment. Is Emp like a philosophy or psych student or something? Because he always seems to want to make these ties to very elementary concepts in those fields with this gravitas like they're fucking mind-blowing and deep when they're all really basic and naïve perspectives of existentialism. I didn't major/minor in philosophy, but I've been into it since freshman year highschool and some of Emps attempts at being deep reek of "Freshman who read one essay by Nietzsche and wants everyone to know." We haven't even questioned the validity of empiricism yet ffs.
Like, the info in the video is cool, but the end portion was really "wannabe deep" about things that are REALLY basic concepts.
@Secular Ascetic I personally just see it more as him making the most out of a concept or subject. It's essentially him appreciating small, obscure, or seemingly insignificant concepts, and his message is usually that sometimes we need to appreciate those things too. He doesn't care if people don't care to appreciate these things, because they actually aren't important. The reason he does this for those looking to appreciate something. He's not stating to himself, as if his mind was blown from the information, but instead is for others that never thought about these kinds of things. It's a niche really, that's all.
@Secular Ascetic Get over yourself. This is a video about the wizard of oz and the excesses of hollywood, it's not meant to be an essay on philosophy. Emp never made the claim that he was a philosopher, or that any of this is meant to be deep.
@Secular Ascetic Most philosophy is just common sense and it shown by how different each cultures history of philosophy goes. Compare stoicism and roman philosophy to Confucism and chinese philosophy. It is simply just how each culture deals with identity and growth. I have never learned something i didn't already know from philosophy
@Mr. Onay I think he was just trying to end off the video, but I agree with your experiences with it because a lot of the time philosophy just seems over the top only to make you say “no shit Sherlock”
volunteers is a fair way to put it, but many were skilled craftsmen, paid to be there. you just can't finish the technological wonder of an eternal massive cultural monument without all the good architects engineers and project managers/logistics gold can buy. interestingly all the crazy theories about the monument seem to fade away if you consider that humans can lie. say your neighbor says he built a record skyscraper in 2 nanoseconds with his hands and one good worker, you don't believe him until you see the skyscraper, it's pretty large. turns out it took him and the companies who paid him to do it twelve years and thousands of workers. i'm clearly implying that lying/fabricating/hiding evidence about the difficulty/length of time to complete the pyramids (for obvious political reasons) is far more likely than the shockingly popular "aliens did it" opinion. building a tomb for a pharoah that hasn't been born yet makes sense when the purpose of the tomb is to assure your nation or way of thinking or legacy survives whatever unknowable forces the future holds, but let's not forget about ego - surely every ruler wants the biggest and best monument to have his own dang name on it, and surely if a ruler died too soon they wouldn't just let it go to waste. it's not like ruler 37 would cancel ruler 36's 100 year project when he can just use it for himself eh
I knew that Judy died of drug addiction, but I couldn't have imagined that it was in her most-iconic, breakout role where she became addicted. No, was MADE to be addicted by her movie studio.
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CEO of Tomboys2021-05-08 20:19:41 (edited 2021-05-08 20:28:30 )
Margaret Hamilton was a real class act. You really couldn’t have met a nicer lady, it’s very funny that she played the wicked witch.
@Jared Jams That's true! I've met Dave Prowse, Jacqueline Pearce, Eric Roberts, and other people who have played some very evil characters, yet they themselves were the nicest and most genuine folks you could ever hope to meet.
Kinda disagree with your point at the end. Many modern actors will be remembered for who they are, because they are characters themselves. I've had hundreds of conversations where someone is describing a movie and they say "then Brad Pitt blows the guys head off" or "Charlie Sheen is a rich kid who enlists to go to Vietnam"
I've seen Platoon 3 times and I can't remember the name of Charlie Sheen's character, but I sure as fuck remember Charlie Sheen
You know, it's true all of this happened in the past and all the bad people are dead, but the past can hurt long after
I think I'll still gladly watch the movie on occasion but hopefully, more and more people will hear about everything that happened behind the scenes and know how you SHOULDN'T treat others when making a film. Or at any time for that matter
There are so many lies told about the filming, but the truth is that the cast and crew got along fine. Nobody was deliberately mistreated, and in fact, Victor Fleming, the director, always asked for the cast's input as regards how they played their characters, how they interacted, and he even asked the four principals to offer their ideas to the design department as to what they thought the Jitterbug should look like.
Absolutely fucking brilliant work. Extremely accurate, over-detailed (just how I like it), & you even taught me a couple of things. Like, I didn't know Bert Lahr was a hypochondriac, & I'd never actually seen the lines on Ray Bolger's face from the make-up (once you pointed them out, they stuck out like a sore thumb in any photo of that time). Great video, man. A couple of things are off, but not by much, if at all. Loving your work. Especially the attention to detail. Keep it up.
Try EXPLORE WITH US' video. That 20% would be VERY generous. This is accurate. Not entirely (for instance, only the Scarecrow's costume for the Witch's Castle moment was made of asbestos for fireproofing reasons), but almost all of it is fucking bang on. You're not John Fricke, mate.
@Zayden Napier Wrong; Bolger just had an asbestos sleeve under the left sleeve of the tunic for the burning scene. I don't have to be John Fricke, I just have to read what he's written about the movie, and so I have. Maybe you'd like to. ;-)
Child actors suffering identity crises' makes total sense when you think about something incredibly simple: they are constantly pretending to be something they're not while their minds are still developing a sense of self. Of COURSE they'll struggle figuring out who they are. They've spent their entire lives wearing one mask to the next. They never had time to build their own character, only the characters that were demanded of them.
Children naturally fantasize and play roles while building their identities
The problem is that child actors were forced to play such specific roles for such long hours while being treated like shit that completely ruins someone's mind, add that to the drug use and sexual abuse you have the perfect case of fucked up childhood
Frank Morgan (the man who played the psychic with the crystal ball also the wizard and the gate keeper) needed a jacket for his character and picked one up at a thrift store. he dug into the pockets and found out later the jacket had originally belonged to L. Frank Baum
Professor Marvel wasn't a psychic, he was a humbug, like the Wizard. Frank Morgan played Marvel, the Wizard, the Guardian of the Gates, the Cabman, and Omby Amby the Palace Guard.
As to the Egyptian "volunteers", its a little misleading to call them entirely voluntary. Its believed these workers came from a system similar to Torato Omanuto in Israel. Although military service is "compulsory" in Israel, in reality only about 35% of the population ends up serving in the military while the other 65% find a way out. One of those "outs" is by studying at a Yeshiva which is a school studying the Torah. MANY israeli young men go to Yeshivas every year SPECIFICALLY to avoid military service.
It is believed that this is similar to where the workforce for the Pyramids came from. Young men had compulsory military service UNLESS they volunteered to be laborours in the Pharaoh's religious quest of building a tomb. So while they are not specifically "slaves", it is quite likely that they are not doing it entirely voluntarily. To many of these workers it was likely seen as a way to avoid military service.
In fact, some scholars even argue that the Israelites took this idea of religious service exemption from military service from the Egyptians. Although the Bible describes the israelites as slaves in egypt its likely they were just a religious group that was doing the "religious labor" in order to avoid military service.
This video is full of gross exaggerations. Read up and get the real story from the people who know: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
There is a great parallel to the entertainment boom of the 30’s and the housing market crash of 2008 and all the absolutely fantastic films and video games released that year. It’s undeniable how Great the Dark Knight, The Force Unleashed, Grand Theft Auto IV, and Grand Torino as entertainment are and they were all released in 2008.
I also heard somewhere that Margaret Hamilton was one of the few people on the set that was actually nice to Judy Garland. Everybody else (even her co-stars) would always scold and yell at her, which sometimes resulted in her crying.
Nope, that's a lie. The truth is that Judy loved to laugh and was always asking Bolger, Haley, and Lahr to tell her jokes; they were happy to oblige, but there were some that they thought best to keep from her young ears.
@Amberphylaxis It takes no time at all, and you would do well to read some reputable books on the movie rather than visiting sensationalist websites. You see, it's not me correcting, it's the correct information that does the correcting.
@infa If the books are written by people who have spent decades researching the film and/or spoken with the people involved in the making of the film (Aljean Harmetz interviewed forty-eight actors and behind-the-scenes people), then you may be sure that they are more reliable.
@Deniz Metin T. They were all nice to her; she'd worked with some of them before and had formed friendships with them, and the ones she met for the first time became lifelong friends.
@SomebodyHere Much the same as anyone else's, with a misspelling here, a missing bit of punctuation there, a phrase that could be better worded elsewhere. You must know what proofreading is.
@MaskedMan66 People tend to do that when you ''challenge'' them. I understand your position, but the truth of the matter is, most people are not autistic enough to handle ''THE TRUTH.''
@infa It does when the people who wrote the books did in-depth research which included speaking to the people who were there. For her 1977 book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz," Aljean Harmetz interviewed 48 actors and behind-the-scenes people.
Very insightful video sir, also big points to sneaking a Chip-tune version of ''Any Colour You Like'' by Pink Floyd in the background as there are many that feel the movie and Dark Side of the Moon sync up :D
it also sad that the actor for the witch kids were scared by her, so mr roger guest appearance was nice to allowed show her real side and it made me happy but also sad that the woman was known as scary witch.
I can imagine if they were alive today, the hypersexualization of their characters would've been a final blow to their self esteem. The actor for toto would've been constantly harassed by Peta, putting stress on the dog due to his caretakers fighting over him. Not to mention the current climate of pop culture, where shipping is the norm. This includes the horrific truth of real people being shipped by stans. One can imagine what Stan Culture must've been like in the 30s...
Maybe it was a good thing they never bothered doing a sequel back then because later books in the series would probably tax the cast way more due to being more epic in scope and harder to adapt with the technology of the time. Its good to quit while youre ahead as i can only imagine how much more screwed up the cast would be if they made this into a series.
Holy fuck honestly this film doesn't seem worth the entertainment it gave compared to the amount of suffering it created for those who made it. I could honestly say I would have rather it not have ever existed than have it exist and all these bad things happen to these people.
@jgm 4789 There was talk of doing a sequel, and both Ray Bolger and Judy Garland would have been up for it, but once the movie was out and the promotional tours were over, everyone was already off on other projects. Besides, I doubt they could have paid Jack Haley enough to put on the buckram suit again.
I've always wondered, though, how they would have done "The Marvelous Land of Oz." Though Dorothy wasn't in the book, audiences would have insisted on her being worked in so they could see Judy in the role again. The central character Tip could have been played by Judy's pal Mickey Rooney, and maybe Buddy Ebsen could have finally made it to Oz as Jack Pumpkinhead. There was a hilarious Irish character actress named Una O'Connor, who would have been a perfect Mombi.
@Michael VandeVusse Everybody in the film considered it well worth the hard work; Margaret Hamilton, who suffered the most of anyone in the cast, loved the movie and was one of its biggest fans. She always appeared at Oz events and conventions, and even played the Wicked Witch many more times, both on stage and T.V.
You have to understand that ANY movie is hard to make and that difficulties with costumes and special effects and other things were commonplace; even today you still get actors having injuries and other things going wrong. "Wizard" is by no means unique.
In most cases, yeah, but some actors' sheer memetic impact makes them incapable of being considered proper "actors" anymore IMO; they can no longer blend into a character, rather, they find themselves absorbing the character into themselves altogether. Are there distinct characters, for instance, that people recognize Arnold Schwarzenegger as having played (besides the T-800), or are there merely "shades" of Arnold Schwarzenegger?
The same could be said for Dwayne Johnson, Keanu Reeves (most people don't remember Neo as "Tom Anderson"; to them, Keanu Reeves is Neo), Clint Eastwood, Nicholas Cage, Will Smith, Scarlet Johansson, Sean Connery, Bill Murray, Robin Williams; I could go on, but you get the picture. Whether it's due to an idiosyncratic screen presence they effect, the amnesia of the public, or a defining role that dooms them to being typecast a certain way, actors like this are more known for "playing themselves" in the role, lacking the ability to truly blend, in spite of talent.
Robin Williams' demonstrated acting talent, but the cultural phenomenon that surrounded him, his cult of personality, and his affect often made it so you didn't really remember the character so much as you remembered Robin Williams "existing" in the movie. Nicholas Cage's trademark "coke freak-out" guaranteed to manifest in at least one scene per film, for instance, separates the actor's performance from its peers in such a way through both the sheer gratuity of it, and oddly the realism it offers, that you almost never remember the character he played, only Cage. It's like Cage himself is non-diagetic: these outbursts (seen in Ghost Rider, Color out of Space, Wicker Man, to name a few) simultaneously break, and reinforce immersion. You might see someone in a situation where their sense of reality is being broken (such as in Color out of Space) pound their car steering wheel and call the machine a "cocksucker" for failing to remove them from the hell of torment they find themselves in, but you don't really expect it to be played so straight, you expect it to be played /cool/. You expect the film to give you a role model, or a competence fantasy, but Cage gives you flaws, even when the other actors surrounding him don't; he is always somehow out of place. An actor like Ian McKellan is overshadowed by his characters; Gandalf and Magneto in particular, but Bill Murray is simply always Bill Murray. Clint Eastwood might have played an assortment of different gunslingers, and has dabbled in numerous genres, but even "The Man with No Name" is rendered somewhat ironic, since most people just call him "Clint". Sean Connery's accent, Johansson's expressive, fapable, yet strangely wholesome features, Will Smith's infectious vibe; these actors can no longer blend into characters because they themselves, ARE characters.
These people's celebrity, the natural ease with which it seems to come to them, and somehow abide them while ripping everyone else to pieces; it has made them into icons, similar to a crucifix, or the symbol for Yin/Yang. It's made worse by the fact that these people and their celebrity are a form of common experience which people can relate to one another. Watching Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, in the 90s, bound certain groups of people (especially the younger ones) to one another through the sense of familiarity; that intense recognition that the aesthetic of the show triggers which can be akin to a powerful childhood memory. As a result of this association, no matter what half-baked project Smith is wasting his time with, you can bet people won't care what the character's name is in script, because they already know his name is Will. Some of these actors have a role with which they can achieve synergy (Reeves as Neo/John Wick, Schwarzenegger as the T-800, Murray as Phil Connors) by being written in such a way that the actor's cultural distinction "fills in" the character, rather than simply consuming it altogether, but roles that well matched don't come around very often. A guy like Christian Bale will undergo extreme physical transformations in order to become the characters he plays, but after playing Batman in Nolan's trilogy, what skinsuit will fit him anymore? Willem Dafoe, like Bale, dangles from the same thread; both actors can blend into a character well, but doing so as effectively as they have for as long as they have eventually leads to a moment where they make that "memetic impact" that solidifies them in the consciousness of even those who don't remember anything about the movies they watch.
"WHERE ARE THE OTHER TRUCKS GOING?!"
"YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?!"
Some part of your brain doesn't accept Arnold Schwarzenegger telling you he's "Howard" in Jingle All the Way, it says "I know you, your name is Arnold".
If I were the family of these actors I would sue the hell outta MGM. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for treating them this way. After watching this I will never watch The Wizard of Oz again.
I don't know if you take suggestions but I think "there will never be another youtuber like James Rolfe" would make for a great video. Love your content <3.
13:34 Just to let you know, corsets weren't actually that tight. At least historically accurate ones and ones that are made well and fit your body. Perhaps they didn't look much into it though and rushed it as most filmmakers do.
@ComradeKenobi She was overweight when she first came to MGM at the age of 13, reason being that she loved eating. She had trimmed some by 1938, but she had also blossomed. Between a corset created by an eccentric woman from Europe and physical training from her stuntwoman Bobbie Koshay, Judy managed to appear prepubescent.
Real life can be pretty horrifying. Once modern society collapses due to rising costs and over-regulation that makes life impossible for people, you're going to find out.
@Name Nameson Whats over-regulation to you? If you think about it, most of the stuff that happened to these actors happened because of no regulations at all.. The rising cost of living though, for sure thats gonna do us in.
@Pwn3r Well I'm no expert on anything, really, so I couldn't tell you specifically how much regulation is too much when it comes to various industries. BUT, I do know that we are regulating ourselves out of being able to function, and places like China are picking up what we're losing. So there is clearly a problem here. Our regulation is 1-sided. We shut ourselves down and make life impossible for ourselves, and then do nothing to prevent our global competition, that is actually quite hostile towards us and is in their own internal policies AT WAR with us, from gaining an advantage. This is suicidal really.
the whole set sounds like a nightmare that why im glad i know King Jesus so i dont sell out for anything like that kind of nightmarish fuel movie set. plus 100 degrees and not being treated right, mgm doesn't deserve that money, people who are homeless or suffering deserve it~💜 all the actors/actresses seem so nice they didn't deserve that i just want to give them all a big hug/pat on the back~ also ty for the hard work you've done on this video and all the others, hope everyone is cozy, safe, blessed and sending everyone the best of good vibes~ 🐱🐉🧡
It wasn't a nightmare, and a set is just a sound stage; they used a lot of them in the movie. It was hard work under hot lights, but so was any Technicolor movie; they had the same thing going on over at Gone With the Wind and other color movies. The accidents were few and far between, however devastating they were, and neither Judy Garland nor anyone was deliberately tortured or mistreated.
On the bright side, Judy did make the right call by refusing to get involved with any future pyrotechnics considering the damage her stunt double immediately suffered afterwards. Still, it's utterly sick the torture all these actors had to go through. At least their best shall live on in history.
Bobbie Koshay didn't get injured by any pyrotechnics. And we're not talking about "torture" as deliberate mistreatment, it was just hard work. But welcome to the world of moviemaking; it's always been, and still is, a hard job.
09:33 By the way, you know who had to eat their food through a straw as well? Denise Nickerson. She wasn't allowed to get out of the blueberry costume, so she had to get producers feed her through a long straw in order to make her feel quenched and full.
@James Green While I doubt the capacity to miss some big ass rainbow coloured wonderland inside a large studio warehouse, I'd imagine what he's trying to say is that because the movie was probably made wholly in color, the sepia part of it was an actual room painted in sepia, allowing the actress to visually track the sudden change to colour.
Yeah only certain spots in the world actually had color to it back then. To just visit there cost an arm and a leg, literally. But hey after we killed Hitler and made the emperor Hirohito cry, color filtered throughout the land.
Yes, she did; in fact, everybody knew because it was announced in the press, and the cast were all briefed on the fact that the lights they would be using to achieve Technicolor would be hotter than the sort of studio lights they were used to. Her reaction to Munchkinland in the movie was acting.
@MaskedMan66 The joke is that the commenter thinks the world was black and white back then. So he thinks that Judy was surprised that the place was in color, even tho everything everywhere was in color.
And in some cases, exaggerated, or indeed lied about. It was a tough job, and accidents did happen. But if you think "Wizard" is the only movie in history to have production problems, then you have much to learn.
It's funny how the title refers to the phenomenon where the pink floyd's dark side of the moon sounds eerily apt when played alongside the wizard of oz, also known as "the dark side of the oz"
It’s crazy how common these scenarios are in the entertainment industry. Crunch culture in the gaming industry is similar to this. I’ve heard of people in studios working over 80 hrs a week.
Still going strong 80 hours a week anywhere from -30 to 30 celsius Canada. My buddy is a game programmer and gets paid $80/hr working from home now, triple what I'm getting and a lot comfier. Maybe I should have gone to school..
@cheekybananaboy Being an entrepreneur is the best of capitalism, in fact, if you hate your job, ask someone about entrepreneurship and personal finance.
@cheekybananaboy if you feel like a cog in a machine you need to develop a skill that has value. Capitalism is about mutual transactions between multiple parties. How much money are you willing to sell your time for. How much money is someone willing to give you for your time. Capitalism has flaws and isn’t a perfect system but it is by far the best and most effective that humans have ever tried. It’s way more than just “exploitation of the workers in practically every scenario”. Which itself isn’t true at all, considering almost every single employee ever has applied to work at the business for the posted wage/salary and agreed to the conditions of the job before ever even starting. You just sound upset because our current economic system you need a marketable and valuable skillset or knowledge to succeed, which you might not have. The internet is a fantastic place to learn new skills and try to improve your financial position. You just have to put in some effort.
Its really sad that the horrifying details about The Wizard of Oz are often presented as quirky movie trivia or fun facts like... "did you know the actor that played the TinMan was allergic to the makeup?? Did you know the wicked witch was accidentally set on fire" instead of the negligent maiming/injury that it actually was.
Watch the movie; throughout the Tin Woodman sequence, there are birds everywhere, including the saurus crane. Also, the sequence was completed before any of the Singer Midgets even set foot on the MGM lot.
Much of it is false, or at the very least exaggerated. And what truth there is has been known for decades. Here are three much more reliable sources of information: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
I like how you managed to avoid mentioning pink floyd the whole video long and then in the last 3 minutes I start hearing what sounds like any colour you like
It should be said, that the reason for the high movie goer rate was a) there was hardly any other entertainment back then. Books and Radio, which were fairly expensive by today's standards. b) that sweet sweet air conditioning.
Books came in all prices, including the penny dreadfuls and comic books. Most people had radios in their homes. There was also live theater, vaudeville, and shows that people put on at home. But remember too that people weren't as dependent on-- or indeed addicted to-- entertainment as they are now. They did more in the way of living life and interacting with family and friends.
Jesus Hollywood, I thought there's a glimmer of light side in Hollywood. But nope, apparently it's all dark They "injured" all of their actors for life permanently and they just walk away with it.
Respect for all people who documented this, respect for EmpLemon who researched and told us about this
@Snowy Hollywood is still a hell hole. They will take actors' sexualities and market it. They'll turn a blind eye to literal slavery and concentration camps. They took movements like Me Too, even though they were the ones who They will never give child actors/actresses real childhoods, making them grow up without a reasonable sense on who is their friend and who isn't. Sure, it's not as bad as then, but it's still a shitshow
One "light" side is the amount of positive utility we all get from watching Hollywood movies. The Wizard of Oz has lasting value, even if the way it was made was fucked up. As Stannis Baratheon once said, "the good does not wash out the bad, nor the bad the good."
Hollywood back then had some light spots. It was a place to go to show your talent, a place for new opportunities. But people started getting greedy and that's what happened. Its not better today either.
@bohba13 SAG was founded five years before Wizard (and, for that matter, Gone With the Wind and the other 363 movies released in 1939) even began filming. One of its founders was Boris Karloff.
@MaskedMan66 Head of MGM Louis Mayer forced Garland to eat nothing but chicken soup and smoke 80 cigarettes a day just to stay skinny. The rate of accidents was also far too high to be acceptable.
@Edd Mayer was not involved with the production of the movie, let alone with the activities of one performer; he had a studio to run. Judy ate solid food (vegetables primarily), did not smoke (she was an avid anti-smoker), and was not required to be skinny, just to appear less like the ripe teenager that she was and more like a prepubescent. As for the accidents, other films have had more-- and worse-- accidents.
@Edd The more relevant question is, why do you think anything like that even happened?
She wasn't required to be "skinny," she was required to approximate a prepubescent child. Her height (4'11") and acting ability were already working toward that end, but she was, after all, a developing teen, so her curves had to be reduced or hidden, and it ended up being a bit of both.
She was put on a diet-- and not of chicken soup and black coffee-- and a regimen of physical activity in which her stunt double Bobbie Koshay, who had been on the 1928 Olympic swim team, took Judy swimming (Judy could swim a mile) and hiking, as well as playing tennis and badminton with her.
The amphetamines and barbiturates to which her mother had introduced her when she was 13 did not play a part in Judy's filming schedule for Wizard. Judy only worked for four hours a day.
@Edd I do indeed deny that anyone ever called her that. In the first place, the pigtails weren't her own. In the second place, show me some reputable documentation.
@MaskedMan66 I've tried showing you proof, but it seems my comments with links have been deleted. Either that, you are just ignoring them. Either way, it's pretty easy to see a lot of sources with a simple internet search. Sources include her own unpublished autobiography.
@MaskedMan66 You seem very sure about everything. I'd like to see some documentation of my own about your claims of Bobbie Koshay or Judy only working four hours a day. I don't want to bother since you clearly don't. I'm pretty sure you live in an alternative reality from mine, and somehow we are able to communicate with YouTube comments despite living in parallel universes.
Edit: I found that your claim of Bobbie Koshay was correct, and also that she did not in fact smoke at the time. At least that's what I found on Wikipedia, which claimed this was in the book The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece by Oz historians Jay Scarfone and William Stillman.
@MaskedMan66 "They even went so far as to serve her only a bowl of soup and a plate of lettuce when she ordered a regular meal." Source: "10. Judy Garland: Ugly Duckling". Scandals of Classic Hollywood. New York: Plume (Penguin). pp. 157–78 [164, 166–69]. ISBN 978-0142180679.
That‘s just the dark truth of humanity in General. You find this all over the place if you look close enough. I wonder just how many people die and/or suffer indirectly because of greed.
This is the best Wizard of Oz piece I've ever seen. Very tasteful, well done and EmpLemmmmmmmminz AKA The Golden Gnu AKA Jimmy Roastbiff AKA Mista Sizzzla goes above and beyond with source and research. 🏴☠️🍺⚡🍺🏴☠️
If you want to see the fruits of real research, read these books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
I had known about Margaret and Judy’s treatment but I never realised the whole cast were treated so terribly. Now I’m wondering whether the flying monkeys were ok in their costumes...
Well, supposedly, during sequences of them flying, rather than use the normal wire harnesses, the crew used a thinner line to better hide the strings on camera. As a result, a lot of the wires broke
It wasn't a matter of "mistreatment," it was a matter of hard work. The Winged Monkeys were just fine in their costumes; they were ordinary animal costumes. In fact, Pat Walshe, who played the WWW's wingless familiar Nikko, was famous for doing an astonishingly convincing chimpanzee impression using a hair suit and very little make-up.
All of this is just heartbreaking to listen to. I never knew that this timeless and highly-regarded film had SO MUCH dark history behind it, and I sincerely hope that present-day film-making has LESS dark behind-the-scenes drama that I don’t even know about, especially since most behind-the-scenes drama in entertainment is EASIER to catch wind of now.
By the way, I REALLY enjoy all of your analysis videos! Would you ever consider making any of the following videos in the future?
- Have Movies been on a Downward Spiral? - Has Animation been on a Downward Spiral? - There Will NEVER Be Another Online Game Like Club Penguin - There Will NEVER Be Another Gaming Franchise Like LittleBigPlanet - There Will NEVER Be Another Gaming Franchise Like Super Smash Bros. - Disney’s Plague on Modern Entertainment - The Influences of the Marvel Cinematic Universe - The Influences of Harry Potter - Nintendo and Sony’s Decades-Long Rivalry
It's crazy to think that the sexual harassment in the production was the least of these actors/actresses problems. Humiliation and mental scarring seem trivial when the sets your on and the conditions you're in could literally kill you.
There was no sexual harassment, no humiliation, and no mental scarring. It was just hard work. But people were tough back then, certainly tougher than people are now. Another thing: stepping out your front door could "literally" kill you.
@MaskedMan66 Lmfao getting groped is just "tough love" ig. You can't just debunk Louis B. Mayer's thoroughly documented history of sexual abuse by simply being like "I doubt it."
And now big techs of silicon valley, Google Facebook, Twitter, Amazon have monopoly on...not just on entertainment, but all sphere of life! Yet, still no intervention or talks of mitigating that problem...
Hollywood's Golden Age was always formed on the backs of the actors and actresses who suffered years of abuse, racism and sexism.
It hasn't changed all that much now. The only difference is that Hollywood pretends to virtue signal while still being just as rotten as the executives from those many years ago.
Only Margaret Hamilton's make-up, and presumably that of the other Winkies, had the potential for toxicity because of the copper in it which gave it its green color. But she suffered no ill effects from it, and presumably, neither did the Winkies (although one of them had his prosthetic nose start melting while he was drinking a cup of hot tea).
The Tin Woodman make-up was aluminum-based, and seeing as how we store food and cook with aluminum, obviously no worries about anything toxic there.
another really good example of how badly child stars are treated is Bobby Driscoll, whose story would be a really interesting video. One of Disney's first contract actors, he was part of some big movies of Disney's early era (Song of the South, Treasure Island, and especially Peter Pan), but as soon as he hit puberty, he was dropped hard, weeks after Peter Pan came out. He fell into a spiral of drug use and depression, until he lost his life at 31.
Fuck me I was vaguely aware of some of this, but just to hear it all laid out like this, the constant, non-stop cascade of shit that was thrown on these poor actors is just fucking with my head. It's like watching an episode of Black Mirror.
Bear in mind that (a) moviemaking has always been a tough business and (b) much of what's in this video has been exaggerated to insane degrees. Some of the info here is false.
The ending has a bit of a dangerous narrative. You make it sound as if any work that can stand the test of time is worth of any damage received by the people that made it just as long as they say they're ok with it. Like an abused housewife in a neoliberal wetdream.
No, the Depression had ended six years before, and while there were lasting effects, life had pretty much got back to normal. And the making of "Wizard" had its difficulties, but "horror" doesn't really apply.
@MaskedMan66 Well that's both true and not true at the same time. Is it true that people were getting close to being back to normal. However it took until world war 2 when the great depression finally ended and soon after the war was over the economy recovered. And also after all the production troubles that the movie had to go through is horror truly not enough for you?
@sean vasquez What I said stands. Economic restoration took some time, but the actual state of depression was over in 1933. Hollywood turned out 365 movies in 1939, a record that has not been matched since. Obviously things were going well financially for them if for no-one else. And people did still go to the movies; there are photos of people lined up around the block to see "Wizard." There were always huge crowds for the big premieres, wherever they occurred in the country.
Yes, there were production troubles, but that was not a situation unique to "Wizard." And many of those have been exaggerated to ridiculous proportions by sensationalists and rumormongers. There were accidents. There was discomfort. But welcome to the world of moviemaking; there are still such things to endure nowadays. The people involved in the movie were very proud of the finished result, and you could not find bigger fans of it than Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton.
Yeep, Animal Rights activist didn't exist yet so having your exotic clothing made out of animal fur and hydes were big and common back then.
Same issue as to how Ivory were used in pianos, drums using calf skin, string instruments used something out of cats and whatever else used instruments from dead and or stolen items from those poor innocent animals
Heck, circuses still use live exotic animals which are still being abused behind the big tent from the public, vet and government view.
At least studios "both TV and Movie" today are starting to opt in for the use of Digitized and 3d renderd animals than live animals.
@madden8021 Never in your entire life, eh? Fair enough. Still, people have worn animal skin, fur, and whatever all else for as long as we've worn anything, so Mr. Lahr's costume ain't no big thang.
@Slapstick Genius In those days, the world was still sorting out human rights; women had been granted the right to vote in the U.S.A. just 19 years before "Wizard's" release, for instance.
But child labor laws, for which people like Charles Dickens had been campaigning since the middle of the 19th century, had solidly come into play. Because of California's child labor laws, Judy Garland was only permitted to work for four hours of the eight-hour filming day. She had at least two hours for school with the on-set tutor, and the rest was free time.
Came from mizkifs react video, looks like great content and cant wait to watch your videos before he does haha But seriously this is so messed up and I appreciate the research involved in this.
My grandpa introduced me to the movie as a kid and I loved it, watched it a ton. When I watched it again recently I was thinking about how the cowardly lion gave me closeted vibes. idk why lol
It's ironic that these powerful people treated these actors . Especially in the same year that a war would be started over how their people were being treated . Really makes you think.
@SQuinGedSUB Got ya. And I'll recommend you some books: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Those are truly authoritative texts, written by researchers who spoke with actors and behind-the-scenes people who worked on the movie, as well as delving into studio records about the production and collecting hundreds of newspaper and magazine reportage about the film and its personnel.
@Kirb Gamin Making movies is hard work, and the more complex the movie, the harder the work. "Wizard" is not unique. At least nobody got killed; read about "Twilight Zone: The Movie" sometime.
Great information. If i could give some feedback, your choice in background music is not great. I generally have a decent attention span, and can listen to information whilst doing other things. Your music choice matched with your pace became background noise so quickly, it took me roughly 40 minutes to watch a 21 minute video, cause id realized id zoned out for a minute missed 3 points and had to rewind. Great video overall though.
I used to adore the movie as a kid. Now that I'm an adult, it just makes me sad. Now that I know the full extent of how sick and exhausted all the actors and stagehands were during the making of the movie, it's hard to watch it without feeling bad.
I feel the same way about Milo And Otis. As a kid it was just an adorable adventure movie starring an orange tabby and a pug. Then you hear about the animal mistreatment that went into a lot of the scenes and the possibility that animals were killed or put at severe risk.
It's a massive ball of yikes which is a shame because otherwise it's probably one of the cutest films ever made.
@Viscount Rainbows Oh gosh really?? That's so sad. I don't think I've ever seen the movie before but I think I've heard of it. I just looked it up and it was made in 1989.. That's a little more recent compared to the Wizard Of Oz. Damn, even they were greedy and went as far as abusing animals too.
People get tired, especially if they're doing something physical; that's a fact of life. There's no such thing as a movie whose cast and crew didn't get tired. Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton never watched the movie and said, "Oh, man, I remember being so tired that day," or, "Agh, that was such a rough time." They enjoyed the movie for itself, and they would want you to as well.
Jack Haley, who starred in his own radio show every Sunday night, actually made jokes about how exhausted he was and other oddities involved in dealing with that buckram suit.
I gotta admit, this video's thumbnail REALLY helps sell the story. I'm very glad that someone tackled the topic. Early Hollywood was hell for those who worked within it.
Also makes me wonder what would happen if you did a video on the impact of Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. That would be amazing.
Firstly, that is so cool you being related to an actor in this movie, very few people talk about that probably because they like the privacy of not being recognized as a descendent of an actor and being hounded 24/7. Secondly, which character did he play? I've only seen WoO (Wizard of Oz) twice, but skip over the credits.
I can't help but feel like this film's production would ironically make for a decent film all its own... like a period-correct Noire flick or something.
smh Judy never had any problem watching the movie. She found the corset uncomfortable, but never complained about it, especially considering what her co-stars had to deal with.
And what's funny about the Wizard of Oz and MGM's quest to use it as a way to flex their strength, is that MGM doesn't even own it anymore, or any of their pre-1980s movies.
@BigBoi554 Poor management in the 70s and 80s for one. Two would be that there was some corporate reshuffle that resulted in them losing all their pre-80s movies to Turner/WB.
To be fair, Buddy Ebsen later went on to achieve a reasonable modicum of success as the patriarch of the Clampett clan in The Beverly Hillbillies, not to mention his role as the titular character in Dougie Houser, so it’s not as if missing out on portraying the Tin Woodsman game ended his film career, just sayin’.
"Dougie Houser?" That's a strange way to spell "Barnaby Jones." ;-) But you're right, his career didn't really suffer for his Oz snafu; in fact, once he'd recovered, MGM cast him in two more movies, both of which were released in 1939 as was Wizard .
@MaskedMan66 Yeah, I’m a bit fuzzy on old television shows these days since my dad and I rarely get the time to sit down and watch them together like we used to do back when I was a kid. Thanks for the correction. ☺️
So Al Jolson actually used blackface in order to try to bring exposure to the black community. He received blessings from almost all of the major black artists from the time, including and especially Duke Ellington. He himself was a Jewsish man and was determined to bring awareness to a culture that many had no exposure to.
And then there's the munchkins, whose actors were stuck in a grim contract for a series of exploitation films to follow. If you want a weird western of sorts, there's Terror of Tiny Town.
I have a great idea for a never ever series.Maybe do the tonight show. That show has so much history behind it like johnny carson and joan rivers. Jack parr hating nbc and possibly the most famous conan being swindled by jay. And to now where people dislike jimmy as the current host.
There was a movie called "The Late Shift" about the battle to succeed Johnny Carson as host of that show, starring Daniel Roebuck as Jay Leno and John Michael Higgins as David Letterman, with Rich Little as Carson.
Ironically for me I had no intention of doing that up until this point, whereas now I might have more of a reason to (if your going to tell me I should have had the intention due to whatever mytholgical ideas it has, there's like A TON of that out there so...yeah lol, I'm not discounting the movie itself I acknoledge its good!). Its kinda sickening in a way how people tend to be drawn to negative experiences, but I suppose that's what happens when people lose sight of what really matters in life. (In my case its religion, but yeah, I get not every believes in that...still, I think its important in general to aim as high as you can in all scenarios!)
Let me make it even worse for you. As well as being fed a steady diet of drugs, Judy Garland was also bullied on set by all of her co stars and physically abused by the director. Her only friend was, ironically, Margaret Hamilton. The Wicked Witch of the West.
It wasn't hard for the cast to watch it; they loved it. There was no turmoil to speak of, but as far as torture, everyone on the sound stages had to deal with the blazing hot lights that were necessary for Technicolor. But that was par for the course, and the cast and crew dealt with it.
@Melissa Cooper It was hard work-- which was typical of any movie, especially a musical-- under hot lights-- which was typical of any Technicolor movie. It was uncomfortable, but it was what was done. And they did take breaks.
The things I've most heard about were Judy Garland being driven to alcoholism and Margaret Hamilton being burned in the scene where the witch first disappears in a cloud of smoke because the trap door that was supposed to lower her didn't work.
Judy became an alcoholic in her adult life, not while she was sixteen. The elevator (not trap door) worked fine-- in fact, the first take went off perfectly-- but on a later take the flames shot up too soon. But Miss Hamilton got over her injuries and continued her work because she loved playing the Wicked Witch.
@plebbyspakebby420 I just said "It was a screen in the book." A simple fact stated simply (and it got seven likes, as you'll notice). No invective, no all-caps, no remarks about the OP's ancestry or mental capacity.
As for Emp's last point. There is a way, the way, to received eternal life: "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36. Art does come close, in worldly means but "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." Matthew 24:25. Why ought you care about Jesus' words? because he is risen from the dead. It is a good question you pose and an important theme you point out in the video, and given your premises (I presume they are/include materialism, nihilism, atheism, etc.) your answer is not too bad, but if in fact God is real, and he is risen from the dead, then your understanding is incomplete, hence your conclusions are merely partial. God bless you Emp, and any fellower commenters, I really enjoy your content and wish you the best.
Sometimes i laugh about how the fallout series portrays big corps and how little they care about their employees/consumers... then i remember it’s supposed to be a parody on real life...
Jesus... I would never imagine that one of the most cherished movies in modern consciousness would have been created from such a nightmare. Thank you for making us aware of this, but I would be lying if I said it didn't stain a childhood classic. I just hope the cast and crew that were subjected to those conditions can rest in peace, knowing their inexcusable sacrifice is still valued to this day, even if so few really know about it.
Another thing to mention is that Garland was hated or ignored by nearly ever actor on set, with the only one being really freindly to her being Hamilton.
I'll wait here; you're crazy Those vicious streets are filled with strays You should've never gone to Hollywood They find you to charm you Say you're the best they've ever seen You should've never trusted Hollywood
I feel like even with the limited technology back then, they could have still made the costumes and makeup less insufferable to be in. For example, they could've used lighter material for the lion suit and green gloves for the Wicked Witch's hands.
Exactly. They weren't idiots in that era, it was just them wanting the film to look its best. They didnt look much into the costumes and how to make them more comfortable.
Miss Hamilton did wear a green glove after her hand was burned. But it is standard practice in movies and theater that if someone's face is one color, then any bits showing must also be that same color, so make-up is most often used to achieve that.
As for the rest, what would have been your suggestion to George Lucas as far as putting Anthony Daniels out in the desert in an all-enclosing fiberglass costume?
@Hannah BG The costume designer was a professional who knew what he was doing. But any Tin Woodman costume of any degree of authenticity is going to have its problems. At least Jack Haley only had to wear buckram. Think of Anthony Daniels in his fiberglass See-Threepio costume!
@Hannah BG There were no alternatives in those days, especially as regards the make-up; prosthetic appliances were in their infancy; make-up men like Jack Pierce, who created Boris Karloff's make-up from scratch every day of filming for "Frankenstein," thought that pre-made, fitted appliances of the sort that Jack Dawn pioneered for "Wizard" were a lazy, un-artistic way of doing make-up.
What Pierce didn't know was that such appliances would become the norm and continue on; they are still used today, and while the processes have been refined, it still takes hours to put the blamed things on.
@MaskedMan66 I suppose that's true. However they did have a few alternatives that could have been done, I recall seeing a comment on here speaking about those alternatives but I can't really find it. Again, people back then weren't stupid, they were aware their technology was limited to an extent. Unfortunately, the directors chose the wrong path in making those effects and costumes. There were other films and also regular costumes that had people wearing them safely without injury. Alternatives were a thing and they might always will be if we have enough supplies.
@Hannah BG It wasn't "the wrong path." They went through a lot of different ideas and materials, and what they ultimately used worked. There was some pioneering work done in all levels of the film, and like I said before, various methods of doing things were initiated by MGM's "Wizard."
I have yet to see a "regular" Lion costume or a "regular" Tin Woodman costume, whatever "regular" may mean.
The lion suit was not unprecedented; the costume worn by Arthur Hill (and his successors) as the Lion in the stage version of "Wizard" which began in 1902 was also made from lion hide.
Bottom line: accidents will happen no matter how well things are planned, no matter what the industry, no matter what the project, no matter how many precautions. "Wizard" is not unique in having unfortunate things happen. And again, what would have been your recommendation for bringing See-Threepio to life which would not have involved an actor trudging about the desert encased in fiberglass?
@MaskedMan66 Alright, I think we've both come to a similar conclusion. You seem pretty confidant in replying like this. Oh well, such is life. Shall we close it off here? My point was that people back then weren't stupid. That was my main point here.
The major issue is that you're assuming the higher ups cared. I think the summary dismissal of a sick employee in favor of someone else gives us a pretty good idea where the priorities lie.
@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal So... you would have made Buddy Ebsen work in his condition? Would you shut down any business just because one employee gets sick? That's no way to keep an industry running in general, or to keep a project on schedule in particular.
@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal You're becoming prolix. You mentioned a "sick employee" and his dismissal. The only person on this movie who fits that description is Buddy Ebsen.
"In those days?" I might refer you to Olivia Jackson, a stuntwoman who lost an arm while making the last Resident Evil movie, or David Holmes who, because of a stunt gone wrong while making the last Harry Potter movie, is now a quadriplegic. Moviemaking is, and always has been, a dangerous business. The Wizard of Oz is not unique in the least.
If the artists themselves really do fade out of memory while the art lives on, then the people who sacrifice themselves to have their art outlive them can never really be immortal that way, can they?
Yeah, but then how do explain the notority the artist gets after they've died like Vincent Van Goe no gave two craps about his art until he went deceased.
If art is an interpretation of the way an artist sees the world, then maybe the artist doesn't live on, but his perspective does.
If the core of human experience is to just be known and understood, than having your understanding of the world becoming immortalized is, in essence, to be known.
@Coffin Tears Vincent didn't sacrifice himself for his art. He did his art for self expression in a time where his style was strongly rejected. His death came purely from his health issues, the art had basicaly nothing to do with it.
0:00 - 0:27 Clever intro! Loved it! 2:25 Okay, Moving on! 14:08 4 hours every 3 days!? I would have quit! Don't care about being blacklisted! That is not enough sleep!
it’s surprising that he didn’t mention the constant harassment judy had while filming due to her being a the main character and female. also how judy was sexually assaulted by the munkins on set.
Probably because there was no harassment and certainly no sexual assault; neither Mervyn LeRoy nor Victor Fleming would have tolerated any such activity, especially not during working hours, and most especially not against their star.
@Maddie Smerdon And I read that it didn't; on the contrary, Judy had as good a time as anyone could have had under those crushingly hot lights. She was uncomfortable in her corset, but never complained about it, and she would like to have eaten more (what teenager wouldn't?), but on the whole, it was a time that she always looked back on with fondness.
@MaskedMan66 “Groped by munchkins, drugged on set and put on a strict prisoner-style diet, Garland went through hell making the film when she was just 16 years old. Her family even blame her following drug addiction and alcoholism on working on the iconic musical film, where she was sexually assaulted by numerous men.”
@Maddie Smerdon She was not groped by anybody (it's frankly bigoted to just accuse the Singer Midgets, half of whom were women), she required no meds as she only worked for four hours a day, and her diet (which included solid food (not just soup before you trot that one out) was enough to keep body and soul together. She had a far easier time of it than any of her co-stars, that much is plain, and she always spoke of it with fondness. Which alleged members of her family blame "Wizard?" Certainly not Liza, Joey, or Lorna.
@MaskedMan66 once again, just sayin what i read. i heard MANY traumatic things about this movie. don’t get me wrong, it’s an amazing movie. i grew up watching it. i’m just saying that bad things have happened according to her family and different articles. i suggested you read some before coming at me. if you did read them, then just leave because obviously you’re a boomer who needs to think they’re always correct. a quick google search quickly disproves your statements. i honestly would love to see where you’re getting your information from because i can’t find any of the things you’re saying 😬
@Maddie Smerdon I've read “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. Read those and you'll learn everything I've been saying, and more.
As if a person's age has any relevance to decades-old facts, mine is 55, which makes me a Gen Xer, at least until the next time someone decides to revise the calendar.
Now, back to the actual topic, which is "The Wizard of Oz." Your serve.
@MaskedMan66 ok so i’m assuming you really don’t have anything else to do if you’re still arguing with an 18 yr old about the wizard of oz lol. but i believe you. there were so many wonderful things about this movie but there’s a lotta dark shit that happened on set that not many people talked about. it’s finally getting light and awareness.
@Maddie Smerdon I have plenty to do; this takes almost no time at all. compared to the rest of the day. What difference does age make? Or do you think that at your age you should be beneath older people's notice?
There was nothing "dark"; it was hard work under excruciatingly hot lights, punctuated by some terrible accidents. Apart from that, it was pretty much routine. People try to say that "Wizard" is somehow unique in the accidents that happened, but as such things go, and have gone all throughout movie history right up to the present day, the "Wizard" cast and crew got off easy. Look up the names of stunt performers Olivia Jackson and David Holmes, as well as actor Vic Morrow, and what happened to them on the movies they worked on.
@MaskedMan66 ok ma’am gtfo. you’re now comparing this movie to the earth being flat. its ridiculous. i’m not replying anymore. i’m not gonna sit here and argue with some 55 year old troll. foh💀
@Maddie Smerdon No, I'm comparing the people who believe the lies about this movie to the people who believe the earth is flat. Cut and run if you will, but you're plunging headlong into willful ignorance, and that's no way to live.
Hollywood has always been like an anglerfish honestly, it baits in you with something nice and shiny and then it eats you whole and shits you out with no remorse
Hippo The Hippo2021-05-09 00:24:54 (edited 2021-05-09 02:53:30 )
@Joshna Frank On a full technical level it’s a simile, because it uses the word “like”. A metaphor directly equates two things, a simile relates them. So “Hollywood is like an anglerfish” is a simile, while “Hollywood is an anglerfish” is a metaphor.
@Joshna Frank You seem like you need a hug. Imagine being this way over simple information you could've easily just ignored if you say you don't care. I hope the days ahead of you start to look up man. I know it's been hard on everyone.
@JetpacksWasYes you misunderstood me. I'm not mad, though my phrasing was rough, I just didn't want them to go to such effort because I wouldn't remember it. Your phrasing was a bit rough as well, but I got your intent, you have a good day and be careful out there :)
@Skillofthehand you had me smiling with that. I'll be honest, we all get so mad so easily on the internet, we see everything as an insult and it starts bleeding into our lives. The irony, is it means when we finally get a good, happy moment it, we cherish it, cause we know how few there are. I'm not a happy person,I get mad or on edge easily. Even me trying to be nice I come off as a prick. Something I need to work on. Well, if you read all this cringey ramble,thanks for the smile. I appreciate it.
Nowadays, with all the things they can do with special effects and the like that they couldn't do back then, this probably wouldn't be anywhere near the horror story it is. I suppose that it would've been easier back then if MGM had contracted production to an animation studio and made it an animated film like Snow White had been, but I don't know that they were able or willing to do that.
For all that MGM was the top movie studio in the nation, they didn't have much of an animation department. But things were not as hellish on this movie as the sensationalists want people to think. Worse things have happened on other movies. I mean, if the Harry Potter films had been animated, David Holmes would not be a quadriplegic today.
@MaskedMan66 Yeah, MGM's cartoons always lagged far behind Disney and Warner Bros. And while we're on the subject, it's worth mentioning that when it came to live action musicals, Warners was second in prestige only to MGM for most of that period. Some time around the late 50s or early 60s, they probably even surpassed MGM between films like The Music Man and My Fair Lady.
I could not imagine getting copper paint taken off of my burnt skin with alcohol. OOOOOOO that burns so bad just thinking about it, gosh darn.
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Dr. Pepper2022-04-04 00:12:51 (edited 2022-04-04 00:24:03 )
12:07 Lion : "Unusual Weather We're Having, Ain't It ?" Yeah, it's not everyday you see lung tissue shredding asbestos powder raining from a film studio's skies. Oh wait, this is The 1930s...
Art is always a sacrifice you cant have it all you have to give up something creativity, integrity and somtimes even your very well being (mental and physical) that is the nature of art.
Imagine being in a 100lb suit, with skin tight makeup on so tight you cant sweat, with 100 degree lights bulbs beaming down on you, while asbestos is being showered down over you, lmao you can't make this shit up!!!!
Nobody was in a 100 pound suit (Bert Lahr's was 70 pounds, which was quite enough), prosthetic make-up by its nature is right on the skin (it's the same now), the lights were what everyone had to deal with when making a Technicolor movie (and they were shut off every half hour so people could cool down), and the snow was crushed gypsum.
This is the first video of yours that has truly made me feel horrified. Having these people go trough literal torture for the sake of entertainment is not something I expected. Hollywood has always been rooted in evil for me, this video only secured that thought more.
Actress: I will not do another shot with fire because I just got 2nd degree burns Producers: We assure you, it's safe Actress: no Producers: Ok fine, we will use your stunt double instead Prop: explodes under stunt double Stunt Double: hospitalized
A popular myth is that a munchkin hung himself in the background of one scene. I'm pretty sure the background was painted, and even if it wasn't, any other copy of the movie doesn't have it, and probably never will.
This is one of the earliest myths I remember as a child. My mom told me and showed me the scene where it looks like someone swinging in the background lol
@LivingLidless same. It had haunted me for half a week. Even worse was my brother who was in constant fear for months. Knowing it was a hoax is both infuriating and laughable.
@Morrigan101 Michael Jackson was in the 1978 movie adaptation of the Wiz which was a take on The Wizard of Oz with an all black cast. I think Michael Jackson was only in the movie version not the stage version.
@Jared Griffiths There were only two performers from the stage version of The Wiz who transitioned to the movie: Ted Ross as the Cowardly Lion and Mabel King as Evillene, the Wicked Witch of the West.
@DeltaLeeds Conditions were entirely normal for a Technicolor movie (which means crushingly hot lights that had to be turned off every half hour or so for cast and crew to get a breather). It's just that being a fairy tale, it required more fantastical elements than most. Nobody died on any of the sets, let alone by suicide.
They should make a movie about this...It could be marketed as a horror film...
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True Blue Ryu2021-05-07 18:48:39 (edited 2021-05-07 18:49:54 )
Sadly, many classic movies had abysmal filming conditions for actors, and that’s completely ignoring more personal kinds of abuse by directors.
-Michael J Fox was severely overworked shuffling between Family Ties and Back to The Future. -George Lucas nearly gave himself a heart attack completing Star Wars: A New Hope. -Bob Hoskins had severe alcohol abuse working on the Mario Bros movie. -The infamous ending of Sleepaway camp involved the actor standing in for the “big twist” feeling so uncomfortable with the product that he had his name removed from the credits to avoid discussing it again. -The dinner scene of Texas Chainsaw Massacre was filmed in the summer in over 100 degree temperatures, and some of the actresses threw up. -The entire filming conditions of “The Room”, which was an independent movie. -Stunt actors passing away continually due to accidents on set, one of the most recent, prominent examples being Deadpool 2.
Not to dismiss the extreme conditions that these actors had to deal with over the span of several months, but the fact is that strain on actors and staff has not gone away by any means.
Hey, you forgot the best part about chainsaw massacre, in the dinner scene, when they cut the girl's finger to feed the grandpa, they DID cut the actress finger, and the actor DID drink her blood
Behind the scenes of Apocalypse Now was also very cutthroat, brutal, and deadly. It would end up being one of the greatest films Coppola has ever made.
I mean the Micheal J Fox example and the Sleepaway camp examples are not on par with the others on the list. The first is Micheal J Fox trying to work two jobs at once hardly the fault of either studio the other one is an actor not liking the film he was a part of. Not really at the same level or even close with the rest of the list
Look at all the BTS stuff from James Cameron's Abyss. Ed Harris was crying on his way to the set every single day, and still refuses to talk about that film.
@Andrew Wilson That was more fan backlash toward the actor and not so much on-set issues, but yes, a handful of actors involved in the Star Wars prequel and sequel movies have been harassed to the point of wanting to retire from acting altogether
@Crzypengu This is a spoiler for the end, I will condense it as much as possible to make it clear.
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At the end of the movie it’s revealed that our killer was actually the little boy, Peter, who survived the boating accident and was forced against his will to life his life pretending to be female. They used a wax covering of actress Felica Rose’s face and got some drunk guy from a college to pose naked for the reveal that the character was male. Because the guy had to stand naked, was mildly drunk, and kept getting bothered by the chilly nighttime lakeside air, he felt very uncomfortable after the fact and asked that he not be credited so no one knows who he was.
You might also mention Olivia Jackson, Milla Jovovich's stunt double on the last Resident Evil movie, losing her left arm in a motorcycle stunt, and David Holmes, Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows winding up a quadriplegic because of a stunt gone wrong.
You forgot to mention the one dude that literally hung himself on set. You can see it in the background of some copies of the film. They later edited it out when the technology became available.
I remember when I was in kindergarten there was a Wizard of Oz play at my school and my music teacher let us sign up to be Munchkins, I was the last one in line and when I asked he told me there wasn't any Munchkin spots left but he did have a role for me... I was the tornado
No one has seen this since it aired in 1976, but Margaret Hamilton was on an episode of Sesame Street. This sesame Street episode is considered lost media, Margaret Hamilton was also on Mr. Rogers neighborhood.
Judy Garland was on amphetamines long before the shoot of the wizard of oz, her parents used to give her drugs to improve her performances in acting and singing when she was barely 10 years old, 6 years before the shoot of the wizard of oz so i would disagree that she suffered the most on set compared to others. I'm not downplaying the fact that she was fed drugs at the age of 10, just that in terms of before vs after the shooting of the movie, she was far from having the worst effects in my opinion.
@Alvin Yakitori It's not a joke. My great grandpa told me stories as he was in the crew and witnessed some of it. They would pass around a jar of crunchy peanut butter "for extra grit" and wore nothing but clown masks. He said the smell when he walked in the room could be described as burned mushrooms and sour milk.
Actually I'm surprised there isn't like, a documentary or something to my knowledge. Though it'd be impossible now, what with the nearing a 100 years later and all... Damn, and I feel weird thinking about stuff I grew up on from the late 90's and early 00's being 10+ years old, can't imagine what someone who was a kid when this movie was new must feel if they're alive to be reminded
@bigg buff bois I have a life, thanks. This video isn't about me, so how about you say something in reference to it.
Incidentally, do you call hunting up a particular commentator for purposes of exercising hatred having a life? If you think about it, that seems rather a petty thing for you to do, doesn't it? ;-)
@JUPACALYPSE NOW And your comment is about me. You're rather missing the point, old boy. When commenting under a video, it's generally the done thing to speak about the video. Give that a try!
@CMG The Person Friend, I understand that you want to make this about me, but let's see if you can stick to the topic at hand, which is the1939 MGM movie "The Wizard of Oz."
@MaskedMan66 "i have a life thanks" if you truly had a life then why tf would you argue with strangers on the internet for hours? arguing with someone on the internet wont give you anything. It only gives you a false sense of satisfaction.
@Uncle Sam I don't argue, I relate facts. I'm not on the Internet for hours, I stop in when I have a bit of time-- and even then I'm doing other things. Probably much the same as you.
@JUPACALYPSE NOW How does wanting to know the actual truth about this movie and reading the right sources about it make me a "nutjob?" Just trying to cop your reasoning.
Thanks for the compliment about my taste in music; do you mean the music of Wizard or something else?
The funniest part about all of this is that MGM would STILL end up being dwarfed by Disney and Warner in the years to come, eventually being bought and resold by the latter outside of some of their legacy catalog. Not to mention success for the later two internationally was always better than their competitors because of Animation's less language-restricted nature and broader appeal. So Snow White still won in the long-run.
Yo, just as a head's up, using the two-tone signal from the emergency alert system when there is no emergency is prohibited by the FCC. So the intro to that ad could get you fined, and the FCC has been known to enforce it.
I mean the people who worked on “Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs” certainly didn’t have any physical problems; Walt Disney fired a ton of his animators.
Such a heavy price for making such a distinguishing story. In celebrating it, are we participates to their suffering, or contributors to their success?
Their suffering was, on the whole, no more than any actors had to deal with on any projects (including stage projects). "Gone With the Wind" had more things bedeviling it than "Wizard." Margaret Hamilton, who suffered the most, loved the finished movie and played the WWW many more times throughout her long career.
I thought this was gonna be a regular 'look at this bad stuff that happened' video, but damn, what you said in the last 5 minutes is a colossal buffet of food for thought. I rarely comment on videos but this was a good one
It's truly amazing how this 21 minute video is best than 98/ of things on Tv, and most certain better than any high budget modern documentary today. Great work man.
Yep. Likewise, there are plenty of artists who's names eclipse even their works. I mean, can you name EVERY work of DaVinci, Michelangelo, Van Gogh, etc.? There are certain ultra famous ones that put the artist in the collective vernacular, but ultimately the person is just as if not occasionally more famous than the work of art. Same goes for Walt Disney, Tezuka, Stan Lee, Jim Henson... Being a creator or artist doesn't mean you're dooming yourself to be wholly eclipsed by your works if they are successful.
I get that Emp is trying to play big-brain/existentialist (as he often does), but as is often the case it's a narrowminded/newbie perspective on the topics.
That statement somehow sounds wrong and it’s correct at the same time. Like people remember the names of the actors and know who they are sure, but I mean, what else are we to know them by? We don’t ever meet them, and even when they act normal for interviews, I always feel like there is still an act going on.
Buddy fate was depressing not only was he fired from one of the most greatest Hollywood movies ever made and a role of a iconic character. but he was left with chronic bronchitis that followed him to his death
He had a congenital bronchial problem from the time he was in his mama's womb. His fate was to go on to a long and prolific career in which he created two iconic T.V. characters, namely Jed Clampett and Barnaby Jones. He lived to the ripe old age of 95, and only died 18 years ago.
Hollywood is one of the most godless places on earth, I genuinely don't understand why anyone, knowing what we know about it today, could ever have as a life goal even getting near that place.
Billions of people are exposed to it. Show an idea to that amount of people, and some will think it's the greatest thing ever. Then account for showing it in a glamorous light, with award ceremonies watched by tens of millions if not hundreds once upon a time, stars being paid millions for single performances, etc... and only recently has the rot been exposed in a way that actually reached an appreciable number of people thanks to the internet. Even then, Hollywood had to go fully woke AND incompetent before a healthy contempt could begin to go mainstream. And even now, I don't expect people to fully reject Hollywood, either supporting its agendas or simply not caring and having no taste.
Artists want to make it big and have lots of fame and fortune doing what they like doing best: acting and working the arts. And Hollywood seemed to be the best place to do that for the longest time, so I can see why people would dream of going there. Youre not seeing it from their point of view.
@Pwn3r while I understand this, nowadays possibilities are way higher and Hollywood isn't the only place where you can "make it big". I'm not blaming the artists for what happens in Hollywood, I am just saying that knowing what we know about the industry today I find it hard to believe people still think putting a feet there should be the peak of their careers.
I was really confused when Vanced's ad skipping AI offered to skip the whole intro to the video. It wasn't until 1:35 that I realized it was an ad for keeps.
Oh man my jaw always flies open whenever I see a documentary about something in the 20th century and the word "asbestos" is said. I know then and there I'm about to hear some absolutely horrifying shit, and the line "it was also used in the snow in the poppy field scene" locked my face into complete horror
@MaskedMan66 The main chemical components of gypsum are calcium, sulfur, oxygen, and water. The chemical formula is CaSO
4·2H2O, these components also make up the base ingredients for plaster, drywall, and blackboard & sidewalk chalk. Regardless if the snow was actually made of asbestos or not, that is not a substance any sane person would want to be breathing in.
@MaskedMan66 You know they could have made the snow with a lot of other things, right? A lot that wouldn't hurt you. Just because it doesn't kill doesn't mean it isn't bad.
@GMDrandom 628 Gypsum had been used for snow since the Silent Era, and obviously if anyone had encountered any difficulty with it, its use would have been discontinued. The only other thing widely used for snow in movies was soap flakes, and that would have been completely impracticable given how hot the studio lights were.
They used soap flakes in "It's a Wonderful Life," and if you watch the scene where George Bailey is running through the streets yelling "Merry Christmas!" at everyone, he's running through suds! :-)
@MaskedMan66 Looked into? I can tell you they are, in my asbestos course we were given a pack of crayons brought in America and you could see the asbestos fibers in the crayons, the point was to test our abiity to identify it.
I know this can be said for all the actors who never deserved such torture just for a film, but Margaret Hamilton was a pure soul who became metaphorically and physically scarred by her role, and its depressing
@acacia Hollywood didn't do anything to Margaret Hamilton; she had a long and prolific career and was widely loved as one of the most agreeable actresses to work with.
@MaskedMan66 well, yes, MGM, and the crew of wizard of oz. Hamilton recieved burns from one of the pyrotechnic effects going off incorrectly. And on top of that, despite being a pure and wonderful soul, being a grade school teacher, she was typecast immediately as a wicked and cruel woman because of her phenomenal role as the Witch. That is what my statement of her being scarred was
@Elijah Jarman What about MGM and the crew of "Wizard?" I don't understand.
Yes, she got burned by an ill-timed gout of flame. That's called an accident. It was not deliberately done to her. A stage hand grabbed her-- and she didn't know why; she had no idea she was on fire-- and shoved her under a sink to put out the flames, then someone from make-up cleaned her off (that was the painful part for her), then the studio doctor put salve on her face and right hand and wrapped them in bandages. She then called a friend to take her home. She healed and went back to work because she was a tough lady and she loved playing the Wicked Witch.
As far as typecasting, "Wizard" was Miss Hamilton's twenty-seventh movie, and she had already played a long succession of spinsters and schoolmarms of a terse aspect (Miss Gulch was that sort), so she was actually delighted to be playing a character that let her cut loose and chew the scenery. But that was the most cruel character she ever played; for the rest of her career, she was a character actress and mostly played maids and matrons and characters like Granny Frump on "The Addams Family" (she had been asked to play Grandmama Addams, but didn't want to commit to a series at that time) and Aunt Em in an animated movie called "Journey Back to Oz," starring Liza Minnelli as Dorothy.
And she reprised the Wicked Witch of the West many times, on stage and on television. She simply loved that character.
I'm well aware you may not take suggestions for vid ideas, but for what it's worth, there will never ever be another children's TV program like Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
@Pizza Man No, I mean that there is an unspoken Rule 34 Varient, where if it exists, there is a YTP of it. Not connected to the actual Rule 34, but only applying to YTP'S.
@Pizza Man This is true, but not what I meant. I'm sorry I didn't word it properly. I just meant that if a thing exists, someone has made a YTP about it I didn't mean to imply anything untoward.
@Tucker Tooley Idk, Liam Triforce is pretty damn good. I'm also a sucker for MauLer's content, and while i don't always see eye to eye with him on his opinions, he does a fantastic job of backing them up with strong supporting arguments and months' worth of research. He's definitely someone that i think more video essayists should aspire to be like, especially if they're game or film reviewers.
Thank God hollywood is a shall of it's former self nowadays. There's a reason acting career was considered morally dubious for most of history. Not everything should be sacrificed for art
No, they hadn't. Do you think that "Wizard" was the only movie ever that had accidents happening during production, or hardships experienced because of hot lights or stifling costumes? Anthony Daniels, encased in head-to-toe fiberglass and having to act in a desert for the first "Star Wars" movie, had it far worse than Jack Haley in his buckram suit under hot lights that could be shut off when they got too hot. And nobody died, unlike Vic Morrow, Myca Dinh Le, and Renee Shin-Yi Chen, who were killed by a crashing helicopter while they were working on "Twilight Zone: The Movie."
@MaskedMan66 Those are all tragic accidents, yes. However, I was only giving my condolences to the actors in the Wizard of Oz, because that's what the video is about. If EmpLemon was talking about the excruciating costuming of Anthony Daniels in Star Wars, or the horrific deaths of the actors from the Twilight Zone film, than I would have commented as such.
@MaskedMan66 EmpLemon was not implying that the Wizard of Oz was the only time tragic accidents happened on film sets. Of course tragic accidents happen on film sets. He was focusing on the Wizard of Oz, because the film is one of the most iconic in American film history, and can help shine a light on other abuses that go around within the film industry.
@Mark Parkinson A tragic accident is one in which someone dies. Nobody died while making "Wizard." One person associated with the movie died while it was in production, but that was in a traffic accident on his day off; he was Bert Lahr's stuntman.
And enough talk of "abuses"; that word implies malice on the part of the people in charge and that they deliberately put their people in danger. There are risks that people working on movies take, much the same sort of risks people in any industry are subject to. People who sign up for those jobs know that.
@MaskedMan66 A tragic accident does not have to result in someone's death. A tragic accident usually means a distressing or sorrowing experience as a result of damage or injury.
Death can be a tragic accident as well, but there are many other ways that tragic accidents can happen, and the production of the Wizard of Oz has some of these non-fatal tragic accidents.
@Mark Parkinson You're splitting hairs now. Accidents are accidents. They happen everywhere. There's no need to single out one blinking movie. If anyone to whom the accidents happened considered those accidents "tragic," they eventually got over them.
I was in a traffic accident when I was a kid and messed my leg up really bad, and my bike was destroyed. Was that "tragic?" I didn't think so, and still don't. It was painful, and it took a lot of healing, but I got over it.
The folks who were injured making "Wizard" were adults, and I daresay they took it like adults.
Margaret Hamilton especially; she was hurt the worst, but she took it the best.
@MaskedMan66 I am sorry that this traffic accident happened to you. And I am glad you got over it.
However, that's not to denounce that anything bad happened to the cast of Wizard of Oz, who suffered entirely different circumstances that are their own forms of tragic accidents.
Let's be clear on what the definition of "tragic" and "accident" are, because we seem to have varying definitions, and to not define these terms would make this argument confusing.
These are Oxford-approved definitions that can be found in the first result of a Google search:
1) Tragic: Causing or characterized by extreme distress or sorrow. 2) Accident: An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
Now what I am going to do is list some examples of this presented in the video.
First is Judy Garland, who although suffered the least physically, was absolutely scarred, psychologically. She was emotionally abused by his co-stars, who were relentlessly mocking and berating Garland for her role as Dorothy. This is tragic, as she has been sorrowed and distressed by her work environment during the Wizard of Oz, and she unfortunately took solace in drugs that lead to her relatively early death in 1967.
Second is Buddy Ebsen. He played the TIn Man briefly before suffering from the aluminium dust in his make-up and forced to have been hospitalized due to the make-up nearly asphyxiating him. This was an extremely distressing situation for Ebsen, and the make-up's effects were unintentional in their injurious nature against Ebsen.
And finally, there's the Wicked Witch herself, Margaret Hamilton. Because of faulty scheduling with the pyrotechnics, she suffered horrific burns on half of her face and one of her hands, of which treatment was delayed by the time-consuming task of removing the copper make-up she wore as the witch. It was unintentional that she got burned, making it an accident and tragic, because of how distressing it was for Hamilton.
@Mark Parkinson Get it right: Judy was NOT abused by her co-stars or anyone else who worked on the movie. Where that story comes from, I haven't the least idea, because it isn't backed up by any authoritative reports. On the contrary, the people with whom she worked had nothing but praise for her. Jack Haley said she was "born to brilliance." Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter." Meinhardt Raabe, the Munchkin Coroner, spoke on behalf of his fellow Little People when he said of her, "We were accepted as equals by her. She would sit down on the steps on the set with the rest of us and chat every day."
Ebsen got over what happened to him, and got on with his life and his career, both of which were many decades long. In fact, MGM cast him in two movies once he was healed, and both of them were released in 1939 along with "Wizard" (and many other movies).
It wasn't "faulty scheduling" that led to Miss Hamilton's injuries, it was a mechanical difficulty with the jets that shot up the flames; they went off before she was under the stage (indeed, the first take went perfectly). If you consider second degree burns (that's what she got on her face) "horrific," fair enough, but once the make-up was off-- and they did it as quickly as possible-- the studio doctor put salve on her face and hand, wrapped her face and hand in bandages, then a friend of hers came by and picked her up. However upsetting it may have been for her at the time, Miss Hamilton was a tough lady, and carried on with her work, and in later years had no problem relating the story to people who asked her about it. It had no effect on either her love of the film or the fun she had playing the Wicked Witch, a role she reprised many more times on stage and television.
I urge you strongly to read the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. All of those people investigated the making of the movie in depth and spoke to the people involved in it-- Mrs. Harmetz alone interviewed 48 actors and behind-the-scenes people.
@MaskedMan66 Thank you for the book recommendations. And yes, I will admit, the faulty scheduling thin was a poor choice of words. I wholeheartedly agree with you that Hamilton was burned as a result of bad usage of pyrotechnics.
Every piece of information I referred in my previous comment, specifically Judy being abused by her co-stars, are all from the video you and I are commenting under, which is EmpLemon's expository documentary of the behind the scene drama in the Wizard of Oz. I'm not sure if you have watched the video yet, but if you do, I bet you will understand where I am coming from at the very least.
And ultimately, I am glad that the film's production was not wasted an ended up becoming an icon of pop culture.
@Mark Parkinson Trust me, this dude's got it wrong. A cast at odds cannot be as cohesive onscreen as those four are in this movie. Obviously there was a generation gap, as Judy was 16 and the three companions were all over 30, but Judy was a very gregarious girl and was as much at ease talking to adults as to people nearer her own age.
Like I said, I have no idea where these notions of cast animosity come from, since a look into the film's real backstory (as seen in those books) reveals a very supportive cast and crew.
But yes, please read those books; you may have to hunt up the first two, but the third is still in bookstores.
@MaskedMan66 Again, thank you for the recommendations. I'm surprised you have such a deep knowledge of the Wizard of Oz, but nonetheless, I am glad you were able to argue the topic fluently.
Additionally, I would recommend to watch the video if you have not watched the video already. It could provide for an interesting antithesis to your knowledge and resources about the Wizard of Oz, which I would be interested in discussing.
@Mark Parkinson For "antithesis" read "lies," or at the very least, "exaggerations." I have skimmed it, and there's nothing that I haven't heard elsewhere. When rumor gets mixed with truth, or when it's allowed to override truth, that's when you need to get to the source and find out where people have got things wrong.
For instance, Judy's throwaway remark about the Munchkins, "They were drunks," which she meant as a joke, ended up becoming not so funny when other rumors and stories got into the act, and the questionable off screen behavior of a few of the Singer Midgets started getting thrown at all 124 of them.
Anyhow, thank you for being civil; it's always a breath of fresh air when people don't just latch on to the "popular" stories.
@MaskedMan66 No problem, Masked Man, and that’s a very interesting perspective of the munchkins. Things can be extremely messed up sometimes, especially with rumors spread around, so I am glad that you were able to provide a different perspective. It can be monotonous sometimes when you are just hearing the perspectives of people you agree with, however satisfying it can be, so thank you.
And it also highlights how dangerous a celebrity’s words can get, which makes you realize that if you are in public, and you are speaking to someone, it’s best to be as direct as possible. Leave no room for interpretation, which makes it harder for rumors to spread.
its like the quote "They say you die twice. Once when you stop breathing and the second, a bit later on, when somebody mentions your name for the last time"
This reminds me of a quote from One Piece, which really fits.
"When does a man die? When he is shot by a bullet? No. When he suffers a disease? No. When he ate a soup made of a poisonous mushroom? No. A man dies when he is forgotten."
@Paulo Hernanndizz That's not what you wrote, though. In fact, you even forgot the "for the last time" part. So what happens when someone mentions your last name?
The existence of movies such as Bayformers, M. Night's worst movie, Foodfight! and The Emoji Movie, the controversial production histories like this and people like Weinstein are what I consider as the darkest abyss of Hollywood.
If I Only Had Some Hair
(sung in the style of “If I Only Had A Brain”)
Why if I had some hair I could…
VERSE 1
I could comb away my troubles
But all I have is stubble
Without a hat to wear
I could use a brush for hours
And clog the drains of showers
If I only had some hair
VERSE 2
I could charge my barber double
For untangling the tousle
Of curls so thick and rare
I could finally throw away
All my wigs and my toupee
If I only had some hair
INTERLUDE
Oh I
Could tell you why
The hair plugs don’t look real
And then I’d sit
And let you feel
VERSE 3
I would not be just a whinin’
My head all cold and shinin’
My heart and head so bare
I would show off like a Samson
Life would be all wine and dancin’
If I only had some hair
That is pretty much all industries in a nutshell. The sacrifices made to produce art is seldom spoken of, and, as EmpLemon says, it is the art, not the artist, that lives on. It even makes its way into today's forums. You have influencers, musicians, politicians, social media. They all chase the same thing, which is, as EmpLemon states, "prestige".
Wow, what a surprise! My favorite Youtuber talking about my favorite movie. Even though it's about the atrocities that happened with the actors and all the people involved.
For every enjoyment and treats of life; blood, sweat and tears were spilled down the horizon. The long cycle of history is a gruesome one and one who knows it dares not wanting to repeat it.
@Who Dat Ninja There are a lot of lies about the production of this movie; it was hard work and there were accidents. But there was no abuse, not sexual harassment, no rape, and no drug addiction. I would point out that all the people involved were proud of how the film turned out, and that Judy, Ray, and Margaret especially loved the movie for the rest of their lives.
I remember watching this movie at my neighbor’s house when I was 8 years old. I never knew the story behind this film, and I’m really glad I can appreciate this film a lot more knowing what the actors went through to produce such a timeless classic.
@MaskedMan66 no we were just standing there and not moving or saying anything, and it was just for a couple of seconds and I was all scared and nervous but then when we got on stage and all we had to do was stand I was like wow this is all we dressed up for and made props for and got all stressed about for
We do not know how the Great Pyramid was built, what the current narrative speculates has yet to be proven especially when it comes to the methods used to manufacture the blocks and the ways and means and which the Blocks were moved, some of them hundreds of miles. not to mention the hidden mathematics in the dimensions of the pyramid relative to the equator and the distance from the equator to the North Pole I just need example of a few facts that are indicative of a civilization more advanced than the Egyptians. More than likely this civilization existed in flourished before the last major catastrophic Extinction event. Furthermore dr. Robertshaw has very credible research and data showing at the Sphinx is probably more like 12, 000 to 25000 years old.
This is also another reason why cgi movies are a thing. Sure it may look like crap, but it's better than having to pay for medical costs, 1 time use costumes, insurance for injuries, and etc.
yeah honestly if you like old Hollywood don't look anything up you will be traumatized bye it 90 percent of the kids where owned by the studios and were regularly molested if they spoke out they were forced to site on a ice block for hours it was fucked up
@Wander 113 Well Hollywood has always been messed up ever since the day it was founded. But within a century of its existence things haven't got any better either.
@Aleis in Wndrlen I think it at the very least marginally better with people the actors can go to the kids back then had no choice they were literally sold to the studio with no option to talk to any one safety standards has risen and with birth of social media its much harder to get away with the blatant sexual harassments that they had been involved with for years
@Wander 113 My point was that Hollywood is, was, and will always be shady. Even if people are taking child abuse etc more seriously, they always have got something under their sleeves.
hey just a heads up i'm subscribed to you and alerted when you drop new content and i didnt even get notified only saw this video cause someone mentioned you mad a video about the actors in the wizard of oz
I love this movie so much, it really sucks it was like this for all these people. especially Judy...why treat a poor kid like that?! really disgusting.
As a non-american person i never watched this movie before (even if i watched Return to Oz as a kid many times) and now i never will...because now i can't separate this horrible unhuman torture from it... Honestly all smiley overly positive things from that era have some sort of a terrible story behind them.
When you look at the decline in modern cinema, wrestling, and NASCAR (all of which you've addressed), one could conclude that the horrific sacrifices propelled each of them to immortality. I don't know how we can possibily justify this as a species, and yet this is what we respond to. Courting death makes us feel alive.
Originally Shirley Temple was going to be the star playing dorothy but what happened was the head boss got pissed off after flashing his pecker at Shirley but she laughed thinking it was funny since his pants were down he told her to get out and then in comes judy and well the rest is history. It pains my heart that these actresses and actors went through so much hell behind the scenes but massive respect to them i just wish there were better ways to be honest but greed outweighs logic in the end.
As someone who literally grew up watching "The Making Ofs" of old movie like The Wizard of Oz. It cool to see other people my age having intrest in that era of Hollywood.
Remember that rumor that you could see a Munchkin actor hanging himself in the background of one shot? It's claimed to be fake but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were true.
A whole lot of pity shown for celebrities that made a while lot more money than everyone else at the time and they too got poisoned by lead, copper and other crap.
While the video itself is interesting, I've found myself completely infatuated with the man in this comment section whos dying on mgm hill with the boot still stuck in his esophagus. Props to you dude.
1st Margaret Hamilton used greenish copper makeup for her Wicked Witch costume. The copper makeup would have Hamilton a a health issue later in her life with her being diagnosed with Alzheimer disease which was caused from her copper poisoning. 2nd Judy Garland’s was harassed by the Munchkins
@MaskedMan66 he will. Because even if his art exists longer that he does, everything will be gone without a trace in a few million years and no one will ever know we existed. So i the long run, nothing really matters, expect the present time
@Marta Leja You're assuming that the world as we think of it will still be here in "a few million years." And obviously I wasn't talking about "a few million years," I was talking about as long as there are people to remember works of art and those who created them.
I'll clue you into something: all times matter because all people-- past, present, and future-- matter.
@MaskedMan66 yeah, and as soon as humankind dies, no one will ever remeber the art nor the artist. So why wouldn't you rather care for yourself in the present instead of creating something at the risk of your health that will be forgotten sooner or later anyway?
Back then there were no actor unions and actors had basically no rights. Death and injury were common and actors were easily replaceable due to the depression and how desperate everyone was for money.
Do some research and you'll find that a lot of the info in this video is either exaggerated or untrue. Read these books for the true story: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Most importantly, remember that Judy Garland loved this movie for the rest of her life.
I’m glad my dude Macaulay Culkin is doing better these days. He’s even collabed with the legendary Rich Evans of Ellen fame! Now if that isn’t a comeback, I don’t know what is. In all seriousness though, it seems like he’s doing so much better.
I’m glad Macaulay Culkin is doing really good. When I saw him on Joe Rogan it’s clear that now he’s just living his life the way he wants to and does want to act but with projects that he’s happy with
Hell yeah I subtly noticed the song “any color you like” during the pyramids segment, a great little callback to dark side of the moon and the title of this great video
i can't believe that whole opening thing was an ad for Keeps. THIS is the level of creativity needed to make people sit through ads. Absolute genius!!!! Emperor LEmon!
17:10 Contrary to common belief, Al Jolson was actually known to fight racial discrimination. Although he did blackface, he had no malicious intent. For him, it was just a form of performance. I am not condoning blackface, as it definitely has racist connotations. I just hope to clear Al Jolson's name. He's no saint, but at least he's not a racist.
NOT A Fan Of "Swanee River" OR "Mammy" I See? MGM MADE Judy Garland. She Was Merely Francis Gumm Prior To THEIR Involvement. So It's Not Like She Had MANY Options Outside Of Plainess.
I'll never look at that movie the same again. I could've gone my whole life not knowing that history, but I'm glad I did learn it. It was interesting, horrifying, and absolutely shocking. Nice video!
Words cannot express how I feel about this video. Its absolutely incredible. Its amazing the impact the film had on cinema. Its frightening how this reflects on Hollywood today. Well done EmperorLemon!
The only reason I feel uncomfortable watching this movie is because Now I know what went on behind the scenes which is why I don't wanna become an actor because you never know what really goes on behind the scenes
I'm a little disappointed you didn't reference the guards doing the "oh we oh, we oh oh" song and dance from the simpsons. I swear the simpsons is the american jojo, it has pervaded through everything humanity has ever created.
I find it truly incredible that a channel originally known for YouTube Poops is creating some of the most genuinely poignant, insightful and thought-provoking content on this platform that also coves such a diverse range of topics in the most engaging way. Bravo to you always EmpLemon!
An intresting quote I heard from one of my philosophy teachers in school. "Art is testament of the obsession of man to reach immortality!" Unfortently I don't know were it is from.
I feel bad for everyone on set but man poor Judy :( I never knew enough about her to know her life story was that sad. I guess that says a lot about the character versus the actor. Generally everyone remembers the character more than the actor. At least there is one bright note. I can only imagine how her character alongside all the others brought much needed joy and escapism to countless kids living in the post Great-depression-WWII era.
I don't believe that you can say that Judy Garlands struggle was forgotten, not only with the release of Zellweger's Judy but she's still a very recognizable figure.
Forgotten may have not been the right word to use, but he’s certainly correct about the legacy of the fictional character Garland played has certainly surpassed her own in terms of how well known it is, which is pretty sad.
That being said, I don’t agree that the art always outlasts the artists, although with actors that may be the case. With directors though it certainly isn’t, as people like Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Tarantino are considered all time greats by people who’ve probably only seen a couple of their movies max.
What are the chances the first green man in history to scale the highest peak in Fla would also be a world famous YouTube man? The odds are mind-boggling. Leonardo Davinci over here.
She was kinda fat in that photo. And she didn't look very starved at all in the film. I guess women don't lose fat very easily, and they're specifically given much smaller rations in bootcamp to make them lose weight I'm told.
@Odin Sørensen It wasn't her weight as much as it was her curves; she was a teenager with a mature figure (for all that she was 4'11"), and by a combination of reduced food intake, exercise with her stunt double, and innovative costuming, they would be able to make her appear as a prepubescent, and they certainly succeeded. People who met her after seeing the movie were shocked to behold a sophisticated young woman. As she put it in an interview not long after the movie had been out for a while, "They expect someone in gingham, with braids, to come out singing 'Over the Rainbow.'”
Movie studios had very narrow ideas of beauty, according to which Judy's eyes were too far apart, her nose was too snubby, and her teeth needed fixing. On that last point, she did have a gap in them, but she had that taken care of.
I’d highly recommend everyone interested in going deeper into behind the scenes events of Hollywood to watch Life After Pi. It’s a documentary about the CGI team behind Life of Pi and all the shit they went through.
Didn't the Oscar-winning team of animators who worked on Life of Pi get laid off right after production finished, only to be unable to get re-hired because of an "anti-poaching" agreement among the major Hollywood studios?
@OrangeSlushy Some truly vile bastards. The industry leveraged their oligopolistic power - the same power the SCOTUS tried to break up in the late 1940s! - to put these newly-unemployed animators on a de-facto blacklist, and then had the gall to say "you did an excellent job, now shut up and go away so we can swim in this pile of cash you made us in peace".
If Hollywood CGI and cartoon animators so chose, I would put my full support behind an industry-wide animators' strike comparable to the 2007 writers' strike, after hearing about this travesty. If studios are going to act with impunity, subjecting workers to crunch only to destroy their jobs when a project is finished, those workers might as well band together to make ambitious or "unreasonable"-sounding demands like some semblance of job security, high-enough salaries to afford the absurdly high living costs in California, healthcare/benefits, the works.
Not tragic at all; everyone emerged from that movie alive and well, or at least, in Miss Hamilton's case, healing. They loved how it turned out, and Judy's real problems had yet to begin.
My wife grew up in Turkey and had never heard of this movie before I showed it to her as an adult. We think of our pop culture as ubiquitous to the rest of the world, yet most of the human population hasn't had our same English speaking cultural experiences.
@Pimentel _ brazilian here, and i remember being shown this movie in preschool. i even played espantalho (already forgot the translation and i dont care looking it up) in a play that year
At the same time tho, there are plenty of characters/films that transcend language barriers. Usually it's animation because it's a mostly visual medium, and dubbing animation is a far cleaner process than dubbing film. That's why Disney and Warner took over the world while MGM went bankrupt. So I guess Snow White won in the end XD You guys may not have seen this, but I doubt you hadn't at least heard of Mickey Mouse and/or Bugs Bunny or even just seen merch.
All everyone talked about in the 90's was the stupid bird in the forest scene that looks like someone swinging from a rope at one point.
Never any of this.
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Film is not the pyramids of Giza. Film can barely even be considered art next to traditional forms of art. What kind of a moron do you need to be to think it's worthy of personal sacrifice? This story only makes this film have less value, not more. These actors weren't true volunteers, and the sacrifice thrust upon them was in total vain. They were exploited by a corporation to make a consumer product for the lowest common denominator of society at the time, they are on par with porn photographers and paparazzi. (and seemingly a lot of it was made on the authority of the scientific community declaring random chemicals to be safe whenever they please)
Just goes to show that every single time you pay for content you are doing something evil. Objectively. Every time you pay for content some kid gets toxic chemicals smeared all over his face or gets addicted to hard drugs. Pirate everything and be sure to seed.
Art can make someone immortal... Tell that to Adolf who burned some of the world's greatest art because he fail out of art school (and he felt they had Jewish influence.)
Hey Emp, ive been watching your videos since Hank Hill's Airport Apocalypse and I can't believe its been 7 years already. Thanks for the interesting content for all these years!
I haven’t seen this movie, but I don’t know if I can now. Knowing what happened to this people would fill me with dread each time I saw their personas on screen.
I know you've moved on to other things to but woud you reupload your old YouTube poops like "SpongeBob beats his snail performance enhancing drugs"? They are some of the finest videos I have ever seen on this website lol
Give a child speed and downers and their the problem once they become addicted. It’s crazy how this is still happening today. Macauly look like Bieber! It’s so sad how these execs treat these supposed stars. Keep your kids away from Disney, Nickelodeon, Sesame Street , and Hollywood
I don't know if I'd rather be working on that set or starving in the middle of Nowhere, Kansas or perhaps enslaved in Angband. Probably enslaved in Angband. It doesn't snow asbestos in Angband.
My mother fucking adores this film. This'll be interesting. Generally when you think of Hollywood people might think "Acting, how hard can it be." Pff. Buddy. This shit gives under sea welders a run for their money. Anybody remember The Abyss?
3 minutes to get to the reason I clicked on the video. Come on now. Super good and informative video though. Narration sounds a little like Burger King Foot Lettuce but it's not too bad.
@Rob Quin The twenty or thirty men who played the Winkies wore the same formulation, as well as the same style of prosthetic noses, and while they didn't have nearly the problem she had, one of them was drinking a cup of hot tea one time, and his wife suddenly alerted him to the fact that his nose was melting!
Popularity and sacrifice are the two sides of the coin that many people are willing to hold dearly. However, one has to wonder, is it worth copper poisoning for?
It's insane how good you are at stark and memorable imagery that sticks in my mind. You're amazing at making me think about your video for days after I've seen it. One of the stranger forms of high art out there for sure. Good shit
I still remember the story where the Stooges were filming "Pardon My Scotch". In one scene Curly had sawed a table in half. Moe took one step and fell on his side! He then slowly stood up, slapped Larry and Curly then passed out! He was taken to the hospital where it was discovered that he had cracked three ribs when he fell!
@Melissa Cooper I've heard that story. Moe, like a lot of old-timers, was a true professional, and a very tough person. He and Margaret Hamilton were cut from the same cloth.
Silent film comedian Buster Keaton once fractured his neck doing a stunt in one of his movies and didn't realize he'd done so until decades later when a doctor discovered the tell-tale signs of a healed fracture when Keaton had gone in to have X-rays done.
The outro is perfection set to an 8-Bit version of Pink Floyd's "Any Colour you Like" and especially with the connections people have made between Wizard of Oz and Dark Side. Extra attention to detail, Emp, that's what makes me keep coming back for your videos.
At 19:44, Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd starts playing. This is a song from Dark Side of the Moon. The still image shows 2 things, a rainbow and pyramids. Promotional material for Dark side of the Moon contains both pyramids and rainbows. There's a common urban legend that playing Dark Side of the Moon alongside The Wizard Oz will create a perfect sync (Often named "Dark Side of the Rainbow"). Either this was intentional and quite subtle or that's a crazy coincidence.
All I know is that the actress who played Dorothy was on a strict diet of black coffee and 80 cigarettes a day to look the way she did. Also some kind of soup if I remember clearly…
@Kyle Crockett I’ve only seen the film once when I was young and didn’t think much about it until watching this video.
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Boby image issues is sadly a thing a lot of actors and actresses still have to go through to this day. Hollywood has been really toxic about pressuring people about how they look.
I remember I read something some where that the actress who played Cinderella in the live action Disney remake was forced to eat really small portions of food and had to do extreme exercise for 2 week just so she could fit into the one blue dress. She was already thin too so I don't understand why they couldn't have got a dress a little bit bigger for her.
@Mary Moon if I’m remembering correctly, Hugh Jackman had to dehydrate himself for over two days before each shirtless scene in a lot of the Wolverine movies to look as shredded as he did, and went to the hospital multiple times because of it. Hollywood is actually evil when it comes to beauty standards for actors
@Fort Beauty standards in general tend to become ridiculously strict damn near always. America, Japan and Korea are probably some of the biggest examples. Then theres contractual purity, which is another matter entirely
Regardless of how genuinely clichéd that is, I’m pretty sure the title is in direct reference to the “Dark Side of the Rainbow,” which refers to the apparent (although mostly coincidental) synchronicity between Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon and The Wizard of Oz. So, in this case, the title doubles as a reference to a well known phenomena related to the movie as well as a statement on how corrupt and terrible the experience was for everybody involved. And beyond that, it gives Emp an excuse to use more prog rock in his videos lol
@Former CT Governor Dannel Malloy i dont think the dark side of wizard of oz coined the term dark side people have been saying things have a dark side before wizard of oz even existed but are you talking about how "the dark side" is a trend on youtube and it started with "the dark side of wizard of oz"?
@atnip no, I think you misunderstand what I’m getting at. I’m not suggesting that WoO coined the phrase “dark side.” Like you said, that phrase has existed in the English language for a while, so much so that, again to your point, it’s become clichéd to make reference to it in an unironic fashion.
I’m saying that, in this one particular instance, there is a real world phenomena which many people today know about which is commonly referred to as the “Dark Side of the Rainbow” effect; which is basically that, if you start Pink Floyd’s album Dark Side of the Moon at the same time as The Wizard of Oz and play them simultaneously, the lyrics of the album coincidentally line up literally and thematically with what is transpiring in the movie. In reality, this can be done with Dark Side of the Moon and a litany of other films. Regardless of how interesting or profound that synchronicity actually is, many people associate Wizard of Oz with the phrase “dark side” because of this well known effect that gets shared around by stoners and people on the internet.
So, for a specific case like this video, the choice to use the phrase “dark side” is not as egregiously clichéd as most other instances in which you’ll see it, since that mental connection already exists for a lot of people. Emp, being a massive fan of progressive/alternative rock (including Floyd), is likely aware of the Dark Side of the Rainbow Effect and chose this title to specifically reference it, which would furthermore give him an additional reason to incorporate more Pink Floyd instrumentals in his videos which he has quite a few times before (and to be clear he DOES use some Dark Side of the Moon music in this video, so I don’t think I’m necessarily reaching with that).
“Why should their pain produce such marvelous beauty?" he wonders. "Or is all beauty created through pain? Is that the secret of great art, both human and Melnibonen?”
― Elric of Melniboné
This may be your best downward spiral yet, Emp. The way the stories were organized in ascending levels horrific was perfect. S-tier youtube video! (That said, you should have mentioned how Judie Garland was sexually assaulted by the munchkins)
You might think the moral of the story is: "union good", but I think the real moral is don't be afraid to walk out and find a different job. Bullies will continue to bully as long as you put up with it.
Except at the time none of the actors could sue because no other studio would take them after that, hereby cutting their career short so directors and producers could get away with anything. At least now actors have more of a say on how they are treated in a studio as well as an option to walk away without reprecussions on their career.
@MaskedMan66. It is. But Oz is Oz. And Return is fuckin freaky and really hits my buttons. But it's all subjective either way. Really want to try one of those lunch pails that grow on the trees.
I didn’t even know you were still Making videos? I’ve been subbed forever but haven’t seen anything of yours pop up in my sub box or recommended in I don’t even know how long?
I mean, I get that this isn't the main issue, but why feel the need to pay a dog, which doesn't really understand or care about money, just give the thing some treats and it'd be happy.
The hanging dwarf in the background when they start walking the yellow brick road… y’all remember that? Idk if he said sum about it yet I’m only 4 min in to the vid
Didn't know any of this. Not that it entirely matters since they're all dead, but I'm not watching this movie or buying it to support whoever profits from it.
And the worst part of all of it is....the company behind the film gave no shits for the well being of their actors...it's pretty fucking depressing and messed up.
Chock full of Emerald programming, using vast swaths of Jade, green, black with a hidden drug theme (Opium Poppies). Recently seen in Kung Fu Panda 3 (Kai aka Ocean) with another weird water reference. After an entire house falls on the Witch of the East, the Wicked Witch of the West seeks total control over the RUBY Slippers.
Louis Mayer is one of the worst people in American History. He is often overlooked and most don’t know who he is, but he is legit one of the worst public figures ever.
I'm so glad Emp Lemon pivoted his channel to wanting to talk about things that interest him. Dude is so smart and creative I love to see the things he's interested in. Thanks for all the hard work on a great vid Lemon loved it! 👍
ive thought about how someone who is perfect for the role could have just as easily not been in that role and either i would never care bc the other person would do a good enough job or some weird part of me is gonna feel like someone else deserved the role
Can we show some love to our Chewbacca fan maskedman66? Bro almost has 1000 comments on this specific video "spitting facts" or whatever, if that's not dedication, I don't know what is.
After all the horror stories related to the character's costumes, I didn't expect Judy Garland to have one herself. In a way, her figure was her costume. and If she wasn't gonna have to ruin her body by dressing It up, she was gonna have to ruin It just so she COULD dress It up and play the part.
take this with a grain of salt, since I'm not much of a poet or have a way with words. But, hopefully, this conveys my thought prosses.
Everyone removed from the Public eye except Margaret Hamilton who got an episode of Sesame Street banned because she reprised her role as the wicked witch
What do you mean "removed from the public eye?" As long as any of these people lived, they made themselves visible; in the 1970's especially, Hamilton, Bolger and Haley were very much in the public eye because of the coming 40th anniversary in 1979. Bolger even reprised his Scarecrow for a musical skit on The Donny & Marie Osmond Show in 1977. Likewise, Miss Hamilton played the Wicked Witch in The Paul Lynde Halloween Special in 1976.
@JohnnyKlebitzRevenge I tellya, though: there was nothing like that annual anticipation building up to the traditional broadcast of the movie. Families would all sit in front of the T.V. together, no other distractions, and watch it every year. Those were the days!
What pisses me off the most is that this movie was made by the same assholes behind TOM & FUCKING JERRY, yet never ONE moment before making this film thought "GEE, maybe we should compete with an animated movie with ANOTHER animated movie!!!"; then the only thing the actors could've suffered was doing lines over too much!!!
I like that the topic of your videos vary instead of it being similar. If you ever were to talk about Hollywood again, I would love for you to cover Marilyn Monroe and her tragic end. Nice video!
This video is full of lies and exaggerations. Judy had as good a time as anyone could have on a movie shoot (which is always a difficult job), made lifelong friends, and learned a lot about her craft. She only worked for four hours a day and went to school while everyone else was working on other bits of the movie during the rest of the eight-hour day.
@Rice Muffin Certainly; it's called "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman, available at Barnes & Noble. And you will note that I said, "as good a time as anyone could have on a movie shoot."
Man, makes you wish you could go back and give them a hug or something and let them do whatever you can to make them feel safe and let them know they're loved.
They knew they were loved; it was a very close-knit cast and crew. Lahr, Bolger, and Haley were all old pals and got through the rougher times by telling each other jokes and playing pranks on each other. In time, they even brought Judy into their circle and soon they were pranking her and she was pranking them. As far as jokes went, however, there were some that they thought best to keep from her young ears. They also got on well with Victor Fleming, who was a director that actors liked to work with because he took suggestions from them as to how they could play their parts; he worked in a lot of their ad libs as well. And when the work day was done, they had their homes and families to go back to; things between Judy and her mother were, at this time, peaceful.
@Rabbit Inc. Lots of things have caused lots of people lifelong (that's one word) scars, but they carry on with their lives and don't obsess over them. I've had a scar by my eye since an accident when I was a toddler, but I hardly ever think about it.
Margaret Hamilton's Alzheimers hit her fifty years after the movie was made, and had nothing to do with anything she experienced while making it.
Also, Judy Garland's drug addictions started when she was grown up, not during "Wizard." Her accidental overdose happened thirty years after the movie.
@MaskedMan66 They still gave Judy meth and overdoses can take a long time to happen and Margaret getting Alzheimer's later in her life can be explained by the fact that Alzheimer's doesn't suddenly spring up, it can take a long time to developed even if you did or got something that can give you Alzheimer's.
@Rabbit Inc. Nobody gave Judy meth. You're confusing methamphetamines with amphetamines, with which she was acquainted, but which she didn't take during her time on "Wizard." She never had anything to do with methamphetamines.
You're grasping at straws as far as Miss Hamilton is concerned. Show me a medical report directly linking her condition to anything she experienced while making "Wizard" and maybe your argument will have a bit of weight. At the moment, it's lighter than air.
@Rabbit Inc. I'm not arguing, I'm just telling the truth. The actors were not abused. They wore uncomfortable costumes and had to work under extremely hot lights, but that was moviemaking in those days. Now, the lights aren't as hot, but costumes are still uncomfortable.
Or are you saying that Anthony Daniels was "abused" by having to trudge through the desert in an all-enclosing fiberglass costume?
@Rabbit Inc. Judy didn't become addicted to anything until she'd grown up.
And no, she was not bullied by anybody on "Wizard." The producer, Mervyn LeRoy, was a huge fan of hers and had fought to get her the starring role, so he would not have allowed that sort of treatment of his star. She had previously worked with Billie Burke, Buddy Ebsen, and Jack Haley and got along with all of them. Ray Bolger especially found her enchanting, and was amazed by how smart she was. She once recited "The Raven" by Poe for him, and when the movie was complete, he made her a gift of a first edition woodcut of the poem.
2:07 what does mean exactly that it is "reducing and stopping the symptoms of hair-loss"? That sounds quite suspicious! What are the symptoms it is reducing? It sounds like you can't legally say it is stopping hair-loss itself, because it doesn't really work!
Well of course you can't say it stops hair-loss itself, just like you can't say the flu vaccine 100% prevents you from getting the flu. The flu vaccine is very effective at helping you not get the flu, and if you do you'll have milder symptoms. If you think it doesn't work than how has it managed to be a effective solution that has helped many people. Not to mention Keeps is FDA approved, and if you think that you know more than they do go ahead and prove it.
It’s sad that Billie Burke (Glinda) and other Actors as Characters somehow haven’t experienced these Horrible Tragedies of Exhaustion…. Yet those who were Hurt did what they could to make others Entertained….
You definitely gotta bring up this horrible behind the scenes stuff next time you’re in class and discuss this book. I’d be curious to know how everyone would react and whether they’d think the end product was worth it or not.
Can u discuss the shitty things Disney has don't like thanking a concentration camp treating some of there actors like shit being hypocrites putting blame on someone else instead of themselves ect.
"Non omnis moriar", "Exegi monumentum" - two sentences that say the poet will never die because his work will never be forgotten. But what about the poet himself...
Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton only saw the wonder and magic when they watched the film. They would want you to enjoy it and relax. :-)
Even as a young child, I hated this movie. Especially Dorothy ruining the effect of the gorgeous red slippers with her blue ankle socks. Ewwwww. And Glinda had a beautiful dress, but she was old. Ewwwww.
You probably won't see this comment but thank you. You have consistently made some of the best videos on the entire platform and it's always something new. Whenever I click on any of your newer videos I'm always gonna be entertained on something I didn't know much about or find a newfound appreciation for something that I didn't think about much before as well as be incredibly entertained. If I had to rank my favorite videos on this entire platform several of yours would likely crack the top 10. Thanks for making my day so much better whenever you upload
Nice video. I knew some of these stories, but not all of them. Also thanks for the shout out in your description credits. A few people have come over and started listening.
It's good to know after all this time, you still have that Garbage YTP editing down pat. I love your new documentary videos a lot more though. A welcome change I would say. Keep at it mate
There Will Never Ever Be Another Boondock’s Episode Like The Color of Ruckus. I feel as though that’s the best episode in the whole series because of how much layers there were to it due to the different viewpoints regarding race and class. If anyone can give a good enough essay on that show, it would be Emplemon.
This was really well done. I wish in the wrap up you may have spent some more time on how the time of Oz and what goes on behind the scenes isn't so different as we may imagine now. It could even be worse. At the same time leaving it open makes sure it will likely resonate with those who watch it now and in the future. Well done Emp.
Read these books for the real story: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Such a somber yet beautiful video, my man. And as someone who wants to make movies and who loves films like the Wizard of Oz, I think I will come back to this video to remind myself never to let my ambition cause any harm to those who help me try to realize it.
While I commend the studio being dedicated to sticking as close to the source material as possible the story behind the scenes show that accuracy has to be sacrificed not only to have a better film but for the well being of the cast and crew. Art in itself is amoral it's up to the artist to not make their art immorally.
@BoxyLemons The book as written would have been impossible to film in those days. They could do it now, but sadly, the MGM movie has a hammerlock on people's minds to such a degree that too many would reject something that had no echoes of it.
There is an abandoned half way house up the street from me. Was run by a german couple who were psychology pioneers in the 1930s-60's. Judy Garland had stayed there for a short period of time, as it was far away from hollywood and press. Watching Wizard of Oz as a kid and my parents telling me about her troubles really opened up what had happened to her. Great vid Emp
@Connor Odum That's not the movie's fault, that's just people thinking they're being clever and original. At least you're not from Chicago, where people get all sorts of Mob jokes made at 'em.
PLEASE make more of this shit, you got me to care about NASCAR, something I didn’t give a crap about before your video. Your story telling prowess is admirable.
When people say the greatest disaster film is the room, The island of Dr. Meows and others would never think that the greatest film in human history was the most disastrous film in all cinematic history .
Really unfortunate that you used a picture featuring Al Jolson in reference to "talented people doing terrible things" sure, blackface is seen as a taboo by today's society but one cannot discredit the work Jolson did to support African American performers in show business at a time when society was openly racist and hostile to them.
I guess if i was to elaborate on emp's point is that, people do things that are considered par for the course or "normal" for the times that future generations will probably call cruel or horrible
@MaskedMan66 I don’t have to forgive shit quite frankly. It’s not like I actually know the man. If he did help out many black people in the industry, good on him. I’m not going to undermine the good he’s done. Im just saying that you can hold someone accountable for their actions. There’s a difference between forgiving and forgetting. And I’m pretty sure Al understands that many people won’t forget about him doing black face.
@Content Creator Al Jolson has been dead for seventy-one years. And again, Ben Vereen did a blackface routine once, wearing a make-up darker than his own complexion.
And yes, we all have to forgive people, otherwise we carry grudges which do nobody, especially ourselves, any good. Grudges can be downright self-destructive.
Besides, if you truly object to the idea of someone of a certain color portraying someone of another color, then you have a long list of people who need to "account" for themselves, such as the Wayans brothers, Eddie Murphy, and a Chinese actor I saw in a Hong Kong martial arts movie who was made up to look like Chuck Norris.
@MaskedMan66 look I don’t really care about al or anyone who does/did blackface. All I’m saying is that people have a right to point out that it’s a shitty thing to do. If someone is a fan of him or Ben Vereen or whoever else that’s fine. But nobody’s going to forget about the shit they did. I’m not going to remember Al as “the guy who did blackface” but I’m also not going to pretend that it didn’t happen. Like I said, you can hold someone accountable without ignoring the good they’ve done. I’m sure Al was a decent down to earth man, but what he did was fucked up. That all I’m saying. No one’s a saint. I still get shitted on for things I regret doing. I’m pretty sure Al, Ben, and Eddie did too. So I’m not gonna forgive a man who I didn’t even bother to hold a grudge against.
@MaskedMan66 White people ween’t enslaved in the U.S. for 400 years. The jokes that were made in from Murphy and the wayans was that they garnered more respect from people while wearing white face, than they would from their own skin color . Blackface on the other hand originated from demeaning roots that portrayed African Americans as lazy uneducated people. It wasn’t like studio execs said “oh we need a black guy in our film but can’t find one.” They felt that a black person cannot perform that role as good as a white person could. It was always taboo. The only difference was that white people back then had a say in what was or wasn’t acceptable. If you can’t see the issue, if you’re just gonna keep defending al as if your his lawyer, I don’t know what else to tell you. I already said it like 3 times already you can still point out what someone did as being shitty without ignoring any of the good they’ve done. It’s not my responsibility to answer for people who do white face, just like it’s not yours to answer for people who do black face. If what you saw Eddie Murphy, or the Wayans did as offensive then take it with them.
@Content Creator Black people were not slaves when blackface was seen in the movies and on the stage-- and many more people than Al Jolson did it, so laying it squarely on his shoulders is both silly and unfair. And with very few exceptions, black actors played black characters since as far back as the Silent Era (as it happens, there was one in the 1925 version of The Wizard of Oz ). No, it was not often in dignified roles, but nevertheless, there they were.
But I see you have a double standard going on, namely blackface bad, whiteface okay, rather than seeing both as questionable, so further discussion with you is likely bound to be unfruitful.
@MaskedMan66 Well firstly blackface has been practiced since the civil war. A time which slaves were still around. The “double” standard that you’re talking about has no basis for argument. The whole purpose of black comedians/actors doing white face was for commentary of how they were treated better in white face than they were in their own skin color. And the amount of black people who did it is STAGGERINGLY low compared to those who practiced Blackface. A practice that was demeaning and made to poke fun at African Americans, and benefited from it without giving any of that success towards black people. You can disagree with me all you want. You can even say that I have double standards, but you can’t deny the history behind the practice. Anyone who has done blackface, is subject to criticism, and that’s all I was saying. It’s important to learn from the past. It’s what history is all about. So excuse me if I think a practice that has a bad history for over a century and belittles those with a darker complexion is far worse than an SNL skit made to be a social commentary at a time where racial tensions were still high. My opinion and those who share mine, isn’t just pulled out of our asses. There’s a reason why it’s considered bad now. It wasn’t like a law was implemented that says “blackface bad” society learned from it’s past and deemed it immoral. What more are you trying to get at?
@Content Creator I said you had a double standard (singular), and so you do. Okay, disregard the SNL skit (that very action being another example of that double standard) if you like, but what about the Wayans brothers and the Chinese actor I cited, and also have asked you about? For that matter, what about Japanese actors who do themselves up as white and black people, as has been done in various films?
Also, I've never disagreed with you that blackface was bad, but you disagreed with the idea of forgiveness, which is disturbing.
And you still haven't said a word about Ben Vereen's blackface act.
@MaskedMan66 I’ve already mentioned the wayan brothers, and I honestly don’t know who you’re referring to when you mention a Chinese guy. Secondly forgiveness doesn’t mean completely forgetting something that someone did in the past. You can still acknowledge the shitty things that people do. That’s literally the basis of history. Ben vereen, who starred in the TV show roots, did black face in tribute to bert williams. An African American actor who did blackface due to many audience members being racist and not wanting actual people of color performing. This double standard that you keep getting on about isn’t applicable for the argument that I was making. Blackface was a practice that was made to belittle people of color. White face is a rare practice that usually commentates on societal norms. And lastly yeah I think Japanese people doing blackface is still fucked up. I don’t know what the whole point of bringing that up was for.
@Content Creator I didn't know I'd be talking about the Chinese actor to an activist thirty years after the fact, so I didn't get his name. In any case, his name isn't the point; I'm talking about him being done up to look occidental.
And I maintain that you have a double standard; you betray it by saying you object to Japanese people made up to look black and playing black characters, but leave out that they also get kitted out as white characters.
@MaskedMan66 sir I don’t know what you’re drowning on about. I simply stated from the very beginning that you can point out what someone did as shitty without undermining any of the good they’ve done. If that bothers you, if the idea of acknowledging the past wrong doings of a person is a sign of unforgivingness to you, then I honestly have no idea to how you cope with the outside world. Nobody’s going to forget any of the good that Al Johnson has done. Him doing blackface isn’t going to damage his reputation. This wasn’t something that he tried to hide. He openly did blackface to a huge audience and was paid for it. Pretending that it never happened for the sake of “forgiveness” would be like if I ignored a stain on my t shirt. Because nobody’s entitled for someone to forgive them. I don’t even have anything personal against the man. I literally don’t fucking care. He is no different than anyone else that did blackface as far as I’m concerned. But he still did blackface. So it’s not something that I’m just gonna pretend didn’t happen, because that’s a stupid thing to do. Shit you could forgive someone like Adolf hitler If you really wanted to. That doesn’t change the fact that 6 million people were wiped off the face of the earth because of him. You talk about forgiveness? Okay why don’t we forgive school shooters, rapists, or serial killers? Because if you don’t then that means you have a double standard. See how fucking dumb of an argument that sounds?
The suffering makes their acting better. Still, though, laws protecting actors from torture like this is a gift to the world. Glad to have the Wizard of Oz, more glad we won't have another like it.
The Screen Actors Guild was in full force by then, having been founded in 1933 by no less a personage than Boris Karloff, who was certainly no stranger to uncomfortable make-up and costuming.
"I guess there's no way to make great art without abusing people. We sure are lucky to have near monopolized media production for a fascistic display of wealth and power. Subsume yourself into the corporation of art and you too will become immortal." -This fucking guy
Another world is possible. Get your head out of your ass and try to disentangle the elements of art and oppression here, how coerced these actors were into accepting these conditions.
I have to disagree. Nobody should be forced to sacrifice their health or sanity for art. There was a video about Vincent Van Gogh that goes something like this: "When people put flowers on Van Gogh's grave, they don't do it because he made beautiful art, they do it because he left a woman widowed and a child orphaned" If I had to make a choice between amazing art and somebody's mental/physical health, I would choose their well-being. Even if it meant having to deprive myself of something amazing. I know that seems pretty fucking cheesy and idealistic, but to me, it seems kinda fucked up that people would choose some painting/film over somebody's life.
Right before watching the video I prepared a list of the horrible stuff I knew from that movie, and slowly I crossed all of them off as you covered them.
Did you just end a video about the Wizard of Oz with an 8-bit version of a Pink Floyd in an attempt to make a reference to the "Dark Side of the Oz." This is why I love you Emp.
That 8-bit Pink Floyd track as the outro to the documentary is a reference to a theory that "The Dark Side of the Moon" was secretly constructed as a soundtrack to "The Wizard of Oz". It's very fitting, but even more clever, you sneaky dog. You're one of my favorites in making essays, period.
This is horrid. I can only think of the part in "The Man Who Killed Don Quixote" where he says (spoiler) "My daughter was a flower." That line was incredibly powerful and one that will inform how I treat women.
Man, that keeps ad at the start was a riot! Please consider getting into professional ad production if you ever decide/debate on getting a job outside of the Internet, you'd be an awesome pro ad director/editor! :D
@James Bailey I don't know what you think you mean by "simping," nor what the production of "Wizard" has to do with either the OP's comment or my jocular response to it.
@James Bailey I see that your comment has a like; did you do that yourself? ;-) I'm not after likes, and people who "disagree" with truth have a problem.
We haven't really come that long a way; people have suffered far worse on movies since Wizard . The Conqueror (1956) was filmed near a nuclear power plant in Utah, and most of its cast developed cancer. Vic Morrow and two child actresses, Renee Shin-Ye Chen and Myca Dinh Le, lost their lives to a crashing helicopter while filming Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983). Because of a stunt gone awry during the making of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (2009), David Holmes, Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double, is paralyzed. And stuntwoman Olivia Jackson lost her left arm doubling for Milla Jovovich while filming Resident Evil: The Final Chapter (2016).
Jesus fucking christ, the fact the actors & actresses had to suffer unfathomably through sheer agony & suffering for a film hasn't been well known up until now is both astonishing, but especially terrifying.
We have known for decades about the hot lights, the uncomfortable costumes and make-up, and the accidents. But that was moviemaking in those days, and frankly, in some cases it's changed very little. Add to that the exaggerations and outright lies in this video and all the ridiculous rumors and scandalmongering, and you get a very unrealistic picture of things.
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RED SEA GAMING2021-05-09 21:59:44 (edited 2021-05-09 22:21:24 )
I don't even watch modern-day movies from Hollywood anymore I'm just sick and tired of seeing all the politics I don't agree with in these movies. I'd rather watch old movies like Wizard of Oz that doesn't have political correctness
I went to Judy Garland's Wikipedia page to read more about her, then fell into a rabbit hole and now I'm reading about involuntary euthanasia. Thanks emp!
Johnny Munz2021-05-09 21:10:27 (edited 2021-05-15 03:06:53 )
I swear to god watching this video and reading the comments about how Judy was treated nearly made me punch my monitor in hatred and disgust for what those monsters did to her. since I know what it's like to be abused like that when I was younger. EDIT 5/14/21:dont go into the replies. it's like a fucking onision novel down there
Delete this comment and accept the fact that the amount of horrors that go on within our everyday lives are enough for anyone to want humanity extinct.
Judy was not maltreated by anybody during the making of this movie; she was very popular with the cast and crew for her energy, her talent, and her amazing intelligence.
It doesn't; three musical numbers were recorded and at least one of them filmed, but they were excised when the suits decided that they made the movie too long. They were "The Jitterbug," a reprise of "Over the Rainbow," and the Triumphal Return to the Emerald City, which was a reprise of "Ding! Dong! The Witch is Dead." All the audio survives, but the only footage that exists is rehearsal filming of the Jitterbug number taken on someone's personal camera and a too-brief clip of the Return in a trailer for the movie.
@RANDY TYSON It would involve a lot of legal red tape; Jackson was in Resident Evil and Holmes was in Harry Potter ; do you know about them and what happened to them making those movies?
Beutifull video, this really changed my outlooked on my own performance and how i should feel about myself and the art i make. also wow otaku vs is your patreon, thats really cool
I literally went to your channel for the past two days and didn't see this video. Was this privated or something? I think this has been happening to other channels as well.
love your channel, but Keeps is a scam that preys on insecurity. why are you still doing ads when you have a successful patreon? your audience is your sponsor now, ditch the ads.
I don’t care that people know of me; I desire that they know the ideas behind my work. That it delights and inspires them. Skilled writer? Talented drawer? That’s not what I want to hear. Tell me the ideas communicated by these mediums inclines one to day dream fondly. Or don’t tell me, allow me to overhear. I can’t tell you who created Superman, yet Superman forevermore.
Yeah, the production history of this movie is really fucked up. If you didn't knew it was real, you would assume it's the plot of a very edgy black comedy.
Small critique: I found that the thumbnail was very much dull and un-appealing, it never got my attention in my subs new releases or my feed. Maybe your profile picture or something would have meant to me, in a heart beat: ''Hey EmpLemon made a new video'', and I'd watch the FUUUUck out of it right away. But this video got lost in my endless YT feed and wished I saw it when it came out to help with the algorithm thingy. Only saw it 3 days later by sheer luck when it autoplayed into my YT while I worked.
I don't mean to shit on your content creation, I just figured it's something you'd like to know, as I enjoy all your content regardless and wish you had more notoriety, cuz I think you really deserve it! <3
Yeah, I imagined Emp put it in as a nod to the fad started by hippies that was listening to Dark Side of the Moon while watching The Wizard of Oz. Gotta love the attention to detail!!
Uhhh why at 15:00 minutes in under That clickbait article of "most tragic child star deaths" is the first picture Drew Barrymore? She had terrible experiences as a child star sure, but actually did overcome those odds and didn't quite die, as of may 2021 at least.
Lazy editing or purposefully manipulating an image?
perhaps the article was made before she overcame those experiences? either way it’s an example of how many there are nowadays and thus serves its purpose i believe
I like how at the end there's an 8-bit remix of 'Any Color You Like' by Pink Floyd playing in the background making a reference to The Dark Side of the Rainbow.
Remember when south park made a wizard of oz episode when ike has been taken away by his biological parents, Kyle and the boys has to go and talk to the Canadian prime minister
Yup, that was the season 7 Christmas episode, “Christmas in Canada.” Definitely my absolute favorite season of the show, and although CiC isn’t my favorite episode it’s up there.
I swear, this shit sounds like some Doki Doki Literature Club-type psychological horror visual novel, except it’s set in a 1930s Hollywood studio, and THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!?!
Everything comes out to zero. Every positive achievement is the result of a negative sacrifice. To make others happy, you have to take suffering upon yourself.
And it’s been mentioned before that it’s not a hanged person countless times over and over too. I mean I’m pretty sure those same people are not aware of any of this mess whatsoever ofc, but I’m just surprised that people still remember and believe that hoax.
It wasn't "toxic paint," it was aluminum powder that got into the air and then into his lungs, aggravating a congenital bronchial condition that he had. And you describe for me a 100% safe job in any industry.
"Thank God that this is all in the past. Can you imagine being an actor in those barbaric days. Its so good stuff like that never happens these days haha..."
For the awful shit being revealed now about the dark side of Hollywood, I am 100% sure it was far worse back then, as sexual abuse was probably even more rampant due to less sources of information around to uncover it ON TOP of this extreme physical and mental abuse of the actors.
@Fragmented R While there are more ways of uncovering these dark practices however there are many more ways of hiding this information too. And the people who do these things learn from the past and hide them better.
Ayo OtakuVs, is that like a random weeb who’s got a hard on for the word of the wise, or is that another drunken way otachan has spent her dru- I mean sponsor money?
Thank you for this video, Emp. I enjoy your nuanced look at topics like these. Somehow, you always manage to emphasize how the topic at hand is linked with some greater topic and meaning.
Your videos always tend to surprise me and exceeded my expectations. I really enjoy all your videos but this video was different I wasn’t thinking about anything else just this and that feeling is so great and shows how much you’ve put into this video. Anyways just wanted to say that and I now you hear this a lot but keep up the good work.
It was a good video but it felt unfair to not go into more detail about movie studios in general for that time period. While MGM was certainly the worst, they weren't the only one.
I'm sure Emporer, being plugged in as he is, knows of In Praise of Shadows's introspection into Baum's literary Oz works. Either way, it supplements this video in a unique fashion and I'd recommend a watch as a fan of both channels.
15:25 well I mean Macaulay has been a recurring honorary guest on BOTW and RLM in general, so I think that goes to show he's in a much better place than he was before.
I don't know if this is true, but I heard that Disney wanted to make an animated The Wizard of Oz but then they couldn't because MGM got the rights. Just think how much would've gone differently if Disney had gotten them.
Just a reminder that this was the most beloved film of all time until Black Panther surpassed it. At least Black Panther didn't have such a troubled production but I still love The Wizard of Oz more than Black Panther. That said, I find it easier to watch Black Panther because The Wizard of Oz is harsher to watch in hindsight knowing all the production issues in the latter.
I treat your videos like a new episode of my favorite show. But it's like a surprise episode lol. I save it and watch it at the perfect moment. This time it's around a fire. 🔥
I like the pixel sounding version of the dark side of the moon by Pink Floyd at the end there. Clever to play that with the wizard of Oz considering the conspiracy theories between the movie and the album.
But did they need to use real lion hide and copper? I feel like a lot of that is pointless. And why wasn't the witch in a glass tube to protect from the fire?
@Speeding Atheist You said the employers poisoned and burned their employees. No, they didn't.
And again, would you have made Ebsen work in his condition? That would have been cruel. However, it may interest you to know that once he'd recovered, MGM cast him in two other movies which were released the same year as "Wizard."
Thinking about this video all the time since I watched it. It's so scary to me that those people suffered so much only for... that. Why is that movie so popular in usa?? It's incredible to me but that explains why i keep seeing dumbass wizard of oz retellings all the time.
I've heard people call the movie cursed. I don't think it is. This shit was all on purpose. Treating their actors like non-human fucking props or some shit. They didn't care and they never had to pay for their crimes.
@MaskedMan66 We've all heard your two-cents for over a month now, go watch something else and leave people to enjoy the video and express what they think about it.
@Alyssa Richardson You might try focusing on the information I provide rather than obsessing over me. Better still, read the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
One more thing: take a chill pill. You're too worked up.
There's something about how this was basically just normalize back in the day that really just shakes me to my core... it truly could be a horror movie what these actors and actresses went through
I was going to say watching emplemon is like watching internet historian on weed but its the opposite, watching emplemon is like watching internet historian but not on crack
The weirdest thing is that i don’t super know the names of the actors offhand, but I always thought I knew Buddy Ebsen as the Tin Man. Maybe it’s me half-remembering the trivia about him. 🤷🏼♀️
Originally Buddy Ebsen was going to play the Tin Man but his lungs got coated with aluminum powder after breathing so much of it. He ended up in the hospital because of it. Jack Haley ended up replacing Ebsen as the Tin Man. The studio did switch to aluminum paste after Ebsen's calamity. Although it was an improvement it gave Haley an eye infection.
Emp is without a doubt the greatest person on this website. He talks about whatever he wants and tells a narrative so epically. Keep it up my dude. I may be just another generic fan, but I legit love your stuff.
To be fair to Al Jolson, the jazz singer was incredibly popular back then. Black people loved the character and the movie. Jolson himself was not racist and his portrayal was seen as more endearing if anything. It's only through today's lens that it looks offensive.
17:45 Now do the Pyramids, the Colossus of Rhodes, the Great Wall of China, the Taj Mahal, the Temple of Artemis... you get the idea. Congrats, man, this is your best video yet, IMO.
Thats why we should vote with our wallet, refuse to ever support thw film industry and never become brand loyal, any one creator has the chance to become corrupt
Just saying, that cinema attendeeship graph is hella skewed. Yeah people dont go to the cinema anymore, but the main reason for that is a lot of the shit people watch now is via television or the internet
Asbestos snow... if you had any doubts that that actors could get enough Asbestos.
17:05 Ok... real question here. How seriously Americans treat blackface? Here it is placed right by rape, and in other cases I see controversies for what happened decades earlier. I really don't have context, as where I live there aren't enough black people to spark any racial discrimination you can hear about, let alone hear about people loose job becasue of that.
Their ages are not specified in the Disney film; more likely she's 16 and he's in his twenties; remember, people matured a lot faster in medieval and renaissance times, mainly because they didn't live as long as we do.
@Neptunesharks Seriously, what do you think it means? In a time and place where people didn't live as long as we do, people had to take on adult responsibilities a lot sooner, and that included becoming husbands and wives.
@MaskedMan66 Why are you acting so condescending? I'm just asking you to elaborate. Anyways, it doesn't matter how "mature" a teenager is forced to become, a teenager is still a teenager and has a lesser developed brain than someone in their 20's, which leads to a pretty noticable power imbalance. So, yeah, still pretty creepy lol.
@Neptunesharks You're speaking from a 21st century perspective. In the distant past it was different. Teenagers in most cases were ready for the world because the world hadn't been kept from them in favor of distractions. People got married in their teens and began households.
So no, not creepy at all, just a different world. What is creepy is the vast number of teenagers who still act like children today and the number of adults who act like they're still in high school.
@MaskedMan66 Once again, no matter how prepared a teenager is for the world, that does not change the fact that their brains are not as developed as an adults. Same for medieval times, the psychology is pretty much the same, it's just that there were no psychologists then so they didn't know the harmful effects that a relationship between a teenager and an adult can have on a teenager. And I'm going to ignore that last part because I just rather not open that can of worms. :/
@Neptunesharks smh And once again, and once and for all, different times and different cultures produce different people. People did mature faster in old and ancient times and they did marry and take responsibility at a younger age than now, especially in times and places where the average human lifespan was less than fifty years. We have become longer-lived and also softer and less mature-- which includes less psychologically mature-- overall, and we've developed the curious idea that people have always been as we are now. That's an example of what C.S. Lewis called chronological snobbery.
This might sound naive, but why would people feel guilty over something that someone else did? Idk I guess people just separate the art away from the artist. Or at least that’s what I do with rappers who do crimes and all. It’s understandable if people don’t care enough to just stop enjoying the entertainment that they love. Its beyond the consumer’s control that the artist is an ass, but they should also just remember that the creator of the media isn’t exactly the best person.
@Another random guy I'll be a just reminder, that art takes sacrifice, however is the sacrifices for art warranted. Characters are somewhat granted immortality, Guaranteed same cant be said for those, who brought such characters life on the other hand. Aggressive apathy is A term often associated with volatile fanbases wanting those who bring up such discussions like this: Telling them to shut up, fuck off, or even who cares. (etc.) don't be like these people.
Your essays keep getting better. Also, Frank Baum was an awful person! He actively disparaged American Indians and advocated their genocide. Read his Op-eds. :(
Did you release this due to flashback cinema? Because it coincidentally brought back this movie on the same day you released this just for this weekend
@Lukibear 1112 yeah, we need a “Never Ever” on some musical artist or band and a “Never Ever” on a video game (not just a player like the HungryBox video). I don’t even care which artist/band or video game he chooses, no matter what he picks it’d be an amazing video.
I normally watch videos in multiplied speed, but in this instance I don't, EmpLemon doesn't waste time (besides the sponsored content), which makes it all worthwhile.
This further cements the respect I have for actors. I've known many in my life, and always admired the dedication they have to bringing their roles to life. I participated in some school and camp plays in my middle and high school years, and I would always be super intimidated by the more experienced actors, to the point where I eventually felt it was for the best that I close that door and focus on music. I remember thinking at that time about my favorite actors (and even some mediocre ones) and how rigorous their training must have been when they were my age, and aspects of the filming of The Wizard of Oz like the set design and makeup for the Scarecrow, Tinman, Lion and Wicked Witch of the West put it further into perspective on, for as much personal sacrifice was made on their parts, how hard people in this industry go to achieve the perfect end result that we see.
To this day, I have not seen the original 1939 Oz film, and with the knowledge I’ve had for years of the horrific treatment near-enough all the actors were given, I don’t think I ever will to be honest because those deeply uncomfortable details will always be in the back of my mind.
Same reason why I refuse to see the Paramount Sonic movie after the sheer hell the Visual Effects team most definitely went through during the character redesign crunch, not to mention the legion of disgustingly ignorant Sonic-Tubers egging on Paramount to excruciating work the VFX team to fix the mistake the directors and marketing executives themselves made in the first place.
I think, in honor of Jonas Neubauer, you should do a never ever episode about him. Not many people know about the tetris competitive scene, and I think it would be cool to introduce it, as well as its greatest character, to the mainstream audience. Just an idea.
If I’m being honest, if I was forced to watch the Wizard of Oz or “the closest thing to hell for the actors” or Snow White. I’d pick Snow White. Also I’m surprised there was no mention to that infamous rumor thing about one of the munchkins hanging himself in the background on one of the scenes.
I think a great example of how this is still happening in Hollywood is Brendan Fraser. In the 90's and early 2000's, the man was on top of the world. Hit after hit, the public adoring him and he couldn't do any wrong. Then, due to a number of factors, including his wife divorcing him and taking a lot of his money, a lot of stunt work piling up over the years straining his body, and a major Hollywood executive molesting him, Fraser dropped off the map and had basically disappeared. Luckily, he's partially come back, but for some a big actor, people moved on so quickly, and Hollywood especially moved on from him.
Once I was on layover at a Greyhound bus station. I got there right around 8pm and the TVs were tuned to TBS, and what did they start playing that night at 8? The Wizard of Oz. I sat on a bench to watch it since I had an hour before I was to continue along my journey. But then, during a commercial break, I looked around and saw almost everyone in the terminal watching along. People from all walks of life, all races, rich and poor, young and old, were watching this seemingly ancient movie together. I still reflect on it as one of the best moments of humanity I’ve seen, to rally around a movie and a story so transcendent.
If anyone ever wonders why the film industry has so many unions representing it's workers you need only look back at productions like this to understand why. Hollywood was and for the most part still is a breading ground for greed, ego's, and abuse. I seriously wanted to make movies when I was in my early 20s. I was ready to go to film school, work my way up. Put in my hours as an production assistant. But I ultimately didn't go for it. And about 3 months after I decided not to go to film school the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke. I realize now I made the right call. That's not something I want to be a part of.
The ending...bro this has been my creed for a long time. Creation is in some ways the greatest human virtue for that reason, you are leaving your mark on the world.
You can still create legendary monuments of culture without doing it unethically. The fact that we are conditioned to believe that only coercion and extreme exploitation can achieve true wonders of culture speaks much for our history.
As horrible as what they want through was, they weren't squeaky clean themselves. As some comments point out (and what emp forgot to include in the video) was that they were all rather abusive, pompous and (for lack of a better term) ageist toward Judy Garland off-stage, and were very angry that she, a young girl, was the one with the leading role.
The 2nd movement Beethoven's Symphony No. 7, which is used in this video, is also used prominently in the film Zardoz, which derives its title from (hold for anticipation) The Wizard of Oz. I really hope that was unintentional, but it's still cool if it wasn't.
While I agree art itself should not be made safe and easily digestible, the pursuit of art should always require safety to those involved.
The most famous and regarded films and auteurs often have these terrible stories attached because the pursuit for the desired vision overshadows any and all else. Alfred Hitchcock once said that "actors should be treated like cattle," which is an incredibly demeaning mindset to actual human beings. Actors should not endure being assaulted, battered, or sometimes dying just for the art. NO ONE should have to die for art.
6 min in and I’m already starting get giddy. How do you make my brain do this about things like super smash bros, nascar, and the wizard of oz. it’s almost like you trigger some sort of pseudo nostalgia I have for these things. I’m aware of all of them, not in a way that make me even a fan of any of them. Idk. It’s an odd phenomenon but you make me feel like I cared about things I hardly ever knew. Looking for the right words to describe it. Idk. I’m gonna keep watching. I have to now.
People may not know their names, that doesn't mean they aren't acknowledged and remembered as the ones who gave life to iconic cultural icons on the big screen.
Maybe google what MaCauley Culkin actually has to say about his past before using him as an example of a child star who went on a downhill spiral? "[...] no, I was not pounding six grand of heroin every month or whatever. The thing that bugged me was tabloids wrapping it all in this weird guise of concern. No, you’re trying to shift papers.” Otherwise, good video, just gotta stop being such a bleeding heart sometimes and show people real respect :x
I don’t think this showed up in my subscriptions becuase I would have watched it 16 hours ago. On the plus side, it hit my recommended, thats where I found this, this morning. So it’s getting recommended 👍
@Dudeist Preist I did that the very first time I smoked weed. It was mind blowing at the time. Lol Because of that experience, I have always put trippy synchronicities like that in my own edits.
Speaking of synchronicity: I'm an ordained Dudeist priest and my last edit starts with the Dude's dream sequence. Lmao
@Cliche Guevara first time I watched Dark Side of the Rainbow was after my grandpa’s funeral. It was on Memorial Day of all days years back, and had military honors for the time he served. Enough about that stuff... I wasn’t high. But I was tired, starting to drift. The sun was setting. It was a horrifying but psychedelic experience.
William TOAD2021-05-08 16:16:32 (edited 2021-05-08 16:34:53 )
This reminds me of the filming of 1983s The Twilight Zone with the helicopter explosion incident, the filming of The Exoricst, the way James Cameron treats his actors The Abyss and Titanic and Brandon Lee's incident in the filming of The Crow. I think one of the biggest tragedies in Hollywood history and the biggest waste of potential was what they did to Orson Welles, how he spent his career being forced into the Downward Spiral and how they completely blacklisted him from making movies or having resources to do so, they effectively sabotaged his career for 25 years and prevented him from doing anything more than detective crime thrillers after The Magnificent Ambersons, that's a fucking crime against art.
Hollywood for all their socially liberal, progressive ideals they will always end when it interferes with their profit margins and they're always pushing racist and sexist stereotypes. It's always nothing more than a complete bullshit PR smokescreen much like the green curtain. It is still the most sexist industry there is, what other industry could get away with paying female employees 24.8% of what they pay their male counterparts, telling female staff that they need to shut up, stop saying their opinions, posing them naked in a lineup taking a photo of them and using it for motivation for them to lose weight, stealing their ideas and taking credit for it, stripped from being in the list of names on a project, etc.
What a lot of people might not know is that actress Clara Blandick who played Aunt Em in The Wizard of OZ killed herself few years after the film came out , she died in 1962
I hate how people look at these stories as a powerful victory steeming from hard work, when all the suffering was for nothing and not necessary at all.
It’s easy to say that when you not the one doing the heavy lifting.. people never respect the effort or sacrifice.. the only see the results and that’s what matters for them most of the time..
Yo, Don't let them Retcon that hanging munchkin or whatever the fuck it was in the background. I can promise you it looked NOTHING like that bird they are trying to pass it off as in newer videos. I was shown a very old video of the movie when I was in school and whatever the hell was back there really did look like a man swinging back and forth and yet they wiped it in updated versions which makes me more suspicious because they are trying to tell people. "Na... see.... it was a bird we had on set, that's all it ever was" which I can promise you is a complete and utter load of bullshit
800 dollars in 1930 would be close to 12 thousand dollars today. It doesn't make the accident okay, but a little more bearable than just getting 800 dollars.
Old school actors ingesting harmful chemicals to nail a character, while these days actors can't even handle quarantine without acting like they're being subjected to prison isolation torture.
Another example of accidents during filming was when Tom baker fell into a lake in one of the episodes of dr who and got sick from the water he fell in.
Ignoring the strong impact of Judy Garland on the gay community is just bizarre to me. A LOT of people knew about her for much longer than when she died...?
I was just squealing in delight because Act Man just uploaded a new video like 5 minutes ago and now there’s a new EmpLemon video too?! This is a great day for YouTube.
Wizard of Oz production crew responsible for terrible working conditions Director - Victor Fleming (𝐉𝐞𝐰) Producer - Mervyn Leroy (𝐉𝐞𝐰) Cinematography - Harold Rosson (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
MGM executives who didn't care whether actors were safe or not Marcus Loew (𝐉𝐞𝐰) Samuel Goldwyn (𝐉𝐞𝐰) Louis B Mayer (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
I won't say that you're lying, but I will say that considering how condescending you've been since 2016, I'm pretty sure the only reason you're telling people this is to purposefully ruin it for everyone and destroy all of their childhood memories.
@lol I’m saying this because he’s been very condescending to us and treating his fans like they’re idiots, and sending all of his fanboys to spam downward spiral never ogre comments every time someone’s not a fan of his memes (at least it SEEMS like he’s the one sending them) so I’m pretty sure he’s making this video for the sole purpose of proving to us that we shouldn’t like this movie.
"We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life"
I'm gonna take a gander at this conundrum Holmes and wager it's the one that tries to digitize a consciousness and not the one which tries to bargain with an imaginary being hiding, invisibly, somewhere, presumably
I got curious and looked up other videos on YouTube discussing the awful shit these actors went through. In videos discussing these controversies, there's this one no-profile dude in every video and every comment section on a one-man crusade to vehemently deny any and all claims that anything even remotely bad happened on the set of this film. I can only assume some people just can't come to terms with the fact that their favorite childhood film reveals just how heartless and ruthless Hollywood has and always will be.
All of the things that happened to these people on set were avoidable with a little more careful planning and concern, but they were in a rush to get their Prestige picture ready and finished. What Am I willing to sacrifice to be a small part of someone else's grand plan? Not permanent damage to my health, because we all have to make the best out of the time we have here right now. A pyramid took decades to build and I am certain they had more rigorous health and safety than a profit driven studio in the 30's.
Man you are truly a remarkable youtuber... I subed to you since de YTP days and watching you evolve has been a great experience. Every time I see an upload from your channel it gets a smile on my face, keep up the amazing work!
One could've easily made this great film without torturing actors. I appreciate your emphasis on art but the last few minutes of this video suggesting "it was worth it" is worthy of hatred.
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Mr. Fearingtoon2021-05-08 01:14:06 (edited 2021-05-08 01:15:08 )
The Wizard of Oz is one of my favorite movies. Nice to see you covering it.
None of this sounds particularly dark compared to other films produced around that era or even later. The only thing that actually sounds messed up was what happened to Margaret Hamilton, Betty Danko, and Judy Garland. The Lion, Scarecrow, and yes even the Tin Man seem insignificant in comparison to literally setting fire to and blowing up two of your damned actors, and turning a third into a neurotic addict.
I had a feeling you’d make a subtle reference to “The Dark side of the Rainbow” before clicking the video. When I saw the rainbow over the pyramid and heard the 8 bit rendition of “Any Colour you like”, I had a nice laugh.
Personally I don't think any damage to the mind/body is worth immortality. It's not just Hollywood where overworking people and not treating them right is a huge problem, I mean just look at the horror stories that come out of places like Amazon.
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Given Failure2021-05-08 01:45:23 (edited 2021-05-08 01:46:57 )
The builders of the pyramids... uh... "volunteered" their labor like one "donates" their money for taxes or one "volunteers" for the draft. They were corvee laborers which meant they were peasants who were conscripted into the labor force as a means of paying taxes.
Whether or not it's considered slavery is pretty subjective, but it is almost always considered some form of unfree labor.
So the most skilled stonecutters from around went ahead and volunteered among thousands of helping hands to erect the most interesting structure put together by mankind. Huh, that's nice. You just changed my perspectives on the possible impacts of volunteering efforts and I thought they were high.
So how come we all nowadays can't get our shit together and pull something like this off willingly?
Nonono. Their suffering contributed nothing. It was a result of uncaring studios and primitive (by modern standards) technology. No way did suffering those suits, toxic makeup, and insane diets actually made the movie BETTER or made those actors perform better. Are you insane, Emp??
I really enjoy the effort and points you bring up in your vids, have you considered doing a vid where you show us your subs, that would be interesting, as I'm trying to find good content creators as you suggested.
Just wanted to say one thing. After watching your video on Dale Earnhardt and Nascar, I had ZERO interest in that topic. Now I really love it. Thanks man
Actors and Actresses are always stereotypically perceived as stuck up and arrogant. But now I have to wonder if a good deal of it comes from them refusing to do similar veins of insanity that the Wizard of Oz people had to put up with. And considering all of the mental gymnastics they probably go through speaks to how top actors are seen as disagreeable and uncaring. I guess it comes down to the realization that we are all people and people can forget it from both angles.
That would’ve been far less bad than what actually happened if it was true. At least that munchkin wouldn’t have had to endure the torture I’m sure he would’ve otherwise.
Despite the fact that i believe it’s a hoax, i guess it would make sense why someone would believe it now. I’m surprised the hanging munchkin thing is still talked about, since I always thought that everyone was over it.
It gets even darker when you learn of the occult symbolism and the connections to trauma based mind control aka Project MK Ultra. Only in an upside down world would a film made through pain and used to cause more, be still shown to children or anyone.
Do we accept contemptible hardheartedness as necessary for success? I wonder why. Recall the wonderful scene from the film Patch Adams where Patch confronts his roommate Mitch's hatred and ends with his delivery of the immortal line: "You know, I forget how young you are, Mitch, that you think you have to be a prick to get things done, and that you actually think that's a new idea."
I just found out about State of the Youtube today, then I learn about everything happening with it and emp leaving. At least I got a new video from him to ease the pain
Never gave a fuck about the movie (loved the books though), but this video got me glued to the screen. Same as your Nascar works. As for me, I don't put art on a pedestal and don't believe in self-sacrifice, or any kind of human sacrifice for that matter. Nowadays, many people condemn sacrifice in the name of some nation, say, during a war, but they somehow think that doing the same for entertainment is fine. This is ridiculously stupid.
Yeah.....it's hard to find refuge in fantasy when the people making the fantasies want to be bring all the troubles you were leaving at the door in with you. Then has the audacity to insult you for wanting a reprieve.
In regards to the ending, these people's suffering was not necessary because it gave them "eternal life" through art. Even our greatest acts will become less than a footnote in galactic history.
I saw the notification for this upload just minutes after watching The Truman Show, of all things. That is some of the most uncanny coincidental timing I've experienced as of late.
hollywood today is kind of a joke, when is the last time any good movies came out? or people were excited to go see the movies? the oscars had their lowest ratings ever, movies are more about politics than entertainment, ironically when i hear about the newest movies coming out, I go online to look for some distraction from those movies, like anime or other forms of animation, they at least tell a story worth watching and effects that are impressive.
I pooped real hard that my butt hurts so I watched this instead of doing activities just lying down watching this eating my fingernails it was better than doing the activities.
Although you’d probably get called an EmpLemon clone for it, I’d encourage you to work on that yourself if you truly want to talk about why you think Genesis is a unique presence among its contemporaries.
Personally if I were to make a Never Ever on something it’d probably be FFVII, and if when EmpLemon eventually does a video game and it’s not that one, I’ll probably go through with it.
Dorothy Gale had silver slippers not ruby as in the movies. The Silver slippers on the Yellow (Gold) represents silver being the the better of the standards.
I'm only 7 minutes into the video. So far it seems that the actors went through the pain of the sets and costumes all for money? Money sure is a powerful drug!
Lemon, I have to thank you. The topics you cover are so interesting because I know close to nothing about them and you present it all in such an entertaining way. You do quite a service to history, believe it or not. When the internet is known only as an old archive, there'll be your videos detailing forgotten tragedies of some influential people that existed at one point in time.
This might be my favorite video you’ve ever done. I knew some of the stuff covered at surface level but this was a hugely important piece that serves as a stark reminder of the human cost of creating something monumental and timeless. Damn dude bravo 👏🏼
my guy, how have you not got more views or subscribers? I've even turned on the bell and everything! your videos are well good, I hope to one day make clear, fun, cohesive, informative videos like yours.
Love the cleverness of using music from Dark Side of the Moon not just in a video about the Wizard of Oz but right at the moment the pyramids are mentioned like the prism on the album cover.
This sort of stuff just happened back in those days. If you want another example of showbiz brutality, the three stooges got horribly mangled while making their films too.
The song played at 19:43 is Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd. To anyone who didn’t know; the title of this video is a play on The Dark Side of The Moon. Dark Side is an album made by Pink Floyd which famously synced up with The Wizard of Oz when played together.
I thought it was called "The Wizard of Oz and The Dark Side Of The Moon" and was gonna talk about the synchronicity of the two, but maybe that was an intentional reference
The Pink Floyd midi track at the end is pretty damn nice.
The song is any colour you like by Pink Floyd
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I think it's a reference to a popular "stoner tradition" where if you play the dark side of the moon during an exact time during opening credits almost everything that happens in the film is synched up with the music. (Obviously you dont need drugs to see the synchronization.)
Is it true that there was an actor that hung themself and could be seen in the background of a scene? Is that just a myth or did someone actually commit suicide on set?
The crazy ironic and fucked up thing is I looked up that article about Judy Garland on being groped and harassed and apparently there was supposed to be a film made about it... THAT WAS GONNA BE PRODUCED BY HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND THEN YOU SHOW HIM NEXT DAMN Fuck Harvey Weinstein Also that reveal of the full picture at 4:02 at 17:11 was well done from a video editing/placement perspective. Even though obviously the blackface is cringe.
He was fucked up after his fame and the 2000s wasn't a good for him. But a child actor that has his life ruined was jake Lloyd basically he was bullied by neck beards and was blamed for the phantom menace being ass and he was in a car chase
I know doing blackface is horrible, but Al Jolson wasn't a complete racist to black people. Im pretty sure in one of his films, when he realized Cab Calloway, the co-star, wasn't given the same luxury as he was, he threatened to walk out of the studio.
I’m surprised you also didn’t mention how ruthlessly bullied Judy was by all her other co-stars and actors. Big egos who couldn’t accept a “little girl” being the main star, so they’d treat her like shit. The only person on set who was nice to her, the only friend she made, was ironically the one who played the witch.
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Life was so near impossible for the miserable and unlucky Judy.
1006 likesyeah big egos, 100 degrees Fahrenheit sets, unbearable costumes. no wonder they are ticked of to a girl who had no other painful costume. its just sad
1263 likes*couldn't accept
98 likes@nic magtaan Yeah I have to imagine that's part of it. She's the star, she's young and unlike everyone else she's not in a painful costume.
665 likes@nic magtaan yea I agree. Its not right but it's understandable frustration.
212 likes@King Of The Sandbox there's no "understandable frustration" for vicious bullying. next you'll say the disgusting munchkin actors were right to harass her because she wore a dress.
338 likes@Who Dat Ninja did you not read my comment man. I said it's not right. Understandable frustration in the sense that's its not senseless anger. That doesn't make it right but I wouldn't call it senseless. You are implying I think the abuse was ok or acceptable. Which is absolutely not the case. Do not put words in my mouth
363 likesBig ouch!
4 likes@Who Dat Ninja Just because you understand why someone did something doesn't mean that you believe what they did is justified.
254 likesEvil doesn't have to be an enigma
@Who Dat Ninja theres a difference between “understandable” and “justifiable”, just because you can understand the reasoning behind the actor’s actions doesn’t mean you agree with them
106 likes@Who Dat Ninja
55 likesEveryone else already said it but I kinda want to be an ass and say it too.
You can understand why someone does something without agreeing with it or thinking it's justified. It's like putting two and two together. A+B=C
@YostToastSpaceGhost The video already covered that.
1 likeI'm guessing that the mention of bullying wouldn't fly well with the algorithm even in context although yea that could have been alluded to. I think it's about more than just the terrible set though. It's about how through time people have suffered and created art and the art is remembered as well as how societies rise and fall and people come and go. I really enjoyed this.
8 likesDo you have a source for this claim
8 likesEven Billie Burke?
1 like@Last Man Standing 2+2 = 4 is not just an understanding, but a justification for 4. I get what you're saying, but that's a bad example
5 likesThat's some irony I could never imagine.
3 likes@Clocked
5 likesI didn't say 2+2 tho. "Putting two and two" together is an expression meant for figuring something out. What I did say was a+b=c meaning that when you look at two separate things and put them together to get a conclusion. Which is what everyone here was talking about.
@Last Man Standing Yes, but you seemed to miss that I was pointing out that coming to the conclusion A+B = C isn"t just understanding an equation, it is also validating it. I still think it isn't that great of a comparison to make for this context
0 likes@Clocked
11 likesReally because that's just a physical representation of what happens in our brain. When I add one apple to another I now got two apples. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm justifying the fact I stole one. I just got two apples. It's a conclusion mate. I don't know how else you are supposed to understand things without it.
Another example is when the investigation into a murder is done. One of the things that are figured out is motive. How do you do that? Oh, you put clues and context together. Wait a second that sounds familiar. So, I'm basically putting two and two together to figure out the motive. Does that mean when I figure out the motive for the murder I've justified it or thaf I've simply understood the reason behind it?
The answer is the latter.
@Who Dat Ninja Considering the environment that actors in the 30s worked with, vicious bullying was the least of her problems. How about the physical abuse of the director and the near deadly conditions?
9 likes@exzisd tbh the algorithm can be unpredictable and can make no sense whatsoever, but I feel like this video would still get fucked for mentioning even the words “drugs” “death” “toxin”’
3 likesMagaret Hamilton was a sweet woman.
11 likes@Who Dat Ninja Case in point. Angel of Death by Slayer. They understood the atrocities of the holocaust, and made art with that understanding, not once in the song or in interviews did they say the holocaust was justifiable/justified. You're doing exactly what Christian's did, saying understanding = acceptance/agreeance. Gtfo.
6 likesBoiling down
1 likeJudy wasn't bullied by anybody; they all found her charming and amazingly bright and talented. Margaret Hamilton has said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter." Jack Haley described her as "born to brilliance."
15 likesRay Bolger was totally enchanted by her and was especially impressed with how smart she was; she recited Poe's "The Raven" for him, and when the movie was finished, he made her a gift of a first edition wood cut of the poem.
Meinhardt Raabe, who played the Munchkin Coroner, spoke on behalf of his fellow Little People when he said of Judy, “We were treated as equals by her. She would sit down on the steps on the set with the rest of us and chat every day.”
@Who Dat Ninja There was no bullying, vicious or otherwise.
5 likes@MaskedMan66 Oh yeah, sure bro. Trust the words of the bullies and harassers more than the person who was bullied and sexually harassed. Classic enabler.
19 likes@ThatRipOff You're the one under a mistaken impression if you think all of those men and women who have always had nothing but praise for Judy are in some way "bullies" and "sexual harassers." You need to shift that paradigm.
10 likesYou also need to prove that Judy herself ever made any such accusations about anyone with whom she worked on that film, especially considering that she was friends with them ever afterward.
Does this look like someone who was "bullied" and one of her "harassers?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQ0jRlE5e4
@MaskedMan66 what you said is the way I've always heard to. I've heard the producers and director treated her bad. Mainly the control and who knows what to get the role by the studio and producers, but never by the other actors.
14 likes@MaskedMan66 already at 1:20 in that video she's referencing "the little fat girl" that they called her. obvious trauma from bullying. sick evidence that counters exactly what you're saying
14 likes@Mode LOL Not "trauma," just a self-deprecating "joke," and you'll notice how quickly Bolger refuted it.
4 likes@MaskedMan66 you realize self deprecating jokes can be used to deal with trauma, correct?
17 likes@Mode They can, and they can also just be self-deprecating jokes. In any case, nobody involved in "Wizard" caused Judy any trauma; on the contrary, she found a second family in that cast and crew.
5 likesMy heart will always go out to the innocent hearts lost in the making of this...True cruelty.
4 likes@Oceiano No "innocent hearts" were "lost."
0 likes@Mode No, they didn't.
0 likes@Scott Fleenor There was only one producer on "Wizard," namely Mervyn LeRoy, and the whole reason Judy was cast as Dorothy was because he was a big fan of hers and knew she could knock it out of the park. Other people weren't sure, since she'd only been with MGM for three years, but LeRoy was adamant and eventually she of course got the part. So if he campaigned that mightily to get her to star in his movie, he wasn't about to mistreat her, or to let anyone else mistreat her.
2 likes@Mode The crew had nothing to do with anything; it was her mother who introduced her to amphetamines and barbiturates-- which, at the time, were regarded merely as medicine-- when Judy was 13. She didn't use them on a daily basis by any means, and only became an addict in adulthood.
4 likes@James Green Besides being a lie, that's also a very bigoted thing to say.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 first of all, she said that, not me. And second, I actually give a shit about little people and had I been making this, priority #1 would’ve been to make sure the munchkins weren’t mistreated. Hell! I haven’t even seen game of thrones yet and I’m already rooting for Peter Dinklage to survive.
4 likes@James Green First of all, no she didn't. Second, the Singer Midgets weren't mistreated.
3 likesAnd I'll add a third: read these books and learn what really did-- and didn't-- go on behind the scenes. They are "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@Who Dat Ninja understandable doesnt mean justifiable, youve conflated the terms
2 likesOuch
2 likes@Lord Habitaxe of Prydonia A moot point, since nobody mistreated anybody on this picture.
0 likes@Star Studio What?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 somebody's on hollywood's payroll for damage control
9 likes@Lord Habitaxe of Prydonia If that's so, it isn't I. I'm just talking about one movie and what really did and didn't go on during its production.
1 likeThat's so sad
2 likes@Joseph Mother It's not true. Judy was very popular with the cast and crew. The simple fact is that it was impossible to dislike her.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 I’m impressed with your knowledge about this subject. Are you a scholar or just a big fan of the movie?
1 like@Kyle Donahue Thank you. Well, if you define a scholar as one who schools himself in a subject, then yes, I am a scholar. I'm a big fan of Oz in general, starting with the books and going on to the various adaptations. 🙂
0 likes@Lazergurka - Smerlin omfg everyone in this thread is sub-90 IQ he didn't say it was justified ever.
3 likes@Takeda I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to but I don't really want to find out either
3 likes@Lazergurka - Smerlin tbh I shouldn’t even care at this point either
2 likes@Takeda A moot point, since nobody on this film ever bullied Judy Garland.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 why do you care so much
2 likes@иннокентий About truth? Because people should.
0 likes@nic magtaan She may not have had a painful costume, but she was forced to smoke 80 cigarettes a day and was also drugged and sexuaIIy assaulted on set.
1 like@MaskedMan66 what about the wicked witch who was put in dangerous stunts, and had her skin turned green? What about her stunt double who could of easily lost her life? What about the conditions the lion or scarecrow were put through? What about the tin man’s first actor who was thrown to the side the moment he had problems medically? This doesn’t seem like a good set at all. And you haven’t provided any sources yet to back up your claims.
3 likes@Nate Box She didn't "have her skin turned green," she had green make-up put on. The exit from the Munchkin City wasn't meant to be a stunt, but the pyrotechnics went off too soon. That's what you call your basic accident.
0 likes"Conditions the lion or scarecrow were put through?" You mean wearing hot and uncomfortable costumes and make-up? Welcome to the wonderful world of acting! Actors have had to do that for centuries. They still do.
Buddy Ebsen was not "thrown to the side," he was released from the project because he couldn't continue; they certainly weren't going to make him work in his condition. Of course, when he'd recovered, MGM cast him in two more movies to make up for the inconvenience he'd gone through.
I have indeed provided sources; look for the titles of the three books I've been talking about, and indeed from which I've gotten all the info I've shared.
@Scott Fleenor She wasn't mistreated.
0 likes@I couldn't think of a username Wrong on all counts. She was an anti-smoker at that time in her life, and the only medicinal preparation she used while making the film was an appetite suppressant she took at night before bed. She was not sexually assaulted anywhere, let alone on the set where there were at any given time dozens of people putting things together and working to get the day's assignments done on schedule.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 damn, you almost sound like you've been in the set to know 😧
0 likesC'mon, people lie about everything nowadays just to seem good. Also, wearing a 100lb hot costume in a already hot set isn't something people do today, CGI is used for almost everything, even spider man's mask in no way home. A MASK. No one would dare put something like that on someone again, just use CGI and you're all good. But either way, you're entitled to your opinion lol, believe in what you want to believe.
@Slapstick Genius She was neither miserable nor unlucky while making Wizard.
0 likes@nic magtaan Nobody was ticked off at Judy.
0 likes@isa Anybody can know anything about any movie (or any event of any kind) by reading the words and experiences of the people who were there.
0 likesPeople also tell the truth, not just nowadays (which doesn't apply to the cast and crew of Wizard anyway), but at any time in the past.
I didn't specify set temperature or costume weight, nor did I restrict it to movies; I was talking about hot and uncomfortable costumes when I said, "Actors have had to do that for centuries. They still do." And as far as movies go, you bet they still do. Joonas Suotamo didn't wear a CGI Chewbacca costume in the last four Star Wars movies, he wore a real one. Likewise Anthony Daniels still got put into the fiberglass See-Threepio suit. Actors in stage productions and theme parks still wear very large and elaborate costumes depending on just what and who they are bringing to life. You've no doubt heard of men who will wear full armor in the heat of high summer at renaissance fairs and joust and do battle with one another.
And all that "opinion" and "believe what you want to believe" talk is pointless when discussing the truth.
@MaskedMan66 what I meant about "believing" is believing the video or believing your sources. Everything that's on the video was said by the people who we're actually there, and you're here telling otherwise 💀 either way, i don't have enough patient to talk to you lol, go be a a truth teller no one asked for.
2 likes@isa I'm sure that the maker of this video didn't speak to 48 actors and crew who worked on the movie. Aljean Harmetz did, in preparation for her book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz," which was published in 1977 with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, who praised Mrs. Harmetz's research as a "staggering accomplishment" and referred to the book as "a well of information."
0 likesThe maker of this video would have done well to draw from that well, as well as from the books on the film by John Fricke (one of the world's leading authorities on Oz and Judy Garland), Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman.
Wait even the lion and scarecrow???? Plz don’t tell me they were too…
1 like@Moon Knight Not sure about Lion, but Tin Man and Scarecrow especially…
2 likesJudy once talked about how hard they would jostle and drag her around during the “off to see the wizard” bits when they locked arms and danced down the road.
@Moon Knight Nobody bullied Judy, so put your mind at rest. She was impossible to dislike, and everyone found her a great support in their difficulties with costumes and make-up. As Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter."
0 likesWhat? Margaret Hamilton, the actor who was also an elementary school teacher who cares for children and guest starred on both Sesame Street and Mister Rogers Neighborhood to show kids that the Wicked Witch wasn't as much of a one dimensional thug as the film went on, was the only co star that was treat Judie fair?
1 likeYep. Makes sense.
@Kyle Morello Margaret Hamilton was an actress, not an actor, Miss Garland's name was Judy, not Judie, and everybody got along with everybody else.
0 likesFunny how the wicked witch of the west, one of the evilest villains in cinema, was played by such a nice person. Margaret Hamilton was a former schoolteacher and cared deeply for children and often gave to charity and would be upset when children were scared of her simply because she played the witch.
2 likes@Joey Jerry Most villains are played by really nice people. :-)
1 like@Trantor The Troll If by "rich and famous" you mean "a literal 16 y/o child in one of her first major acting roles who was abused and overworked, leading to a life of self-destructive habits and monumental amounts of pressure that would ultimately lead to her taking her own life" then sure. Good job, you sure showed her.
1 like@Trantor The Troll Nobody on this movie.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 wrong, this movie is just an excuse to bully actors
0 likes@ThatRipOff Tell me, what would a figurative sixteen year-old be? Judy was not abused or overworked; on the contrary, as a sixteen year-old, she was only allowed to work for four hours a day as per California child labor laws. The elements of her life which led to her decline were in the future yet.
0 likesHow do you know that?
0 likes@One. If you're asking the OP, he or she doesn't know that. It's a rumor that got started I know neither where nor when, because as is shown in Judy's later life and words, she loved everyone she worked with on that movie, and had indeed worked with some of them before (Billie Burke, Jack Haley, and Buddy Ebsen, to be exact).
0 likesThey all loved her as well, mainly because it was impossible not to. "Judy was as lighthearted a person as I ever met," said Jack Haley in one interview. Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as thought the lights got brighter."
@ThatRipOff "Judy once talked about how hard they would jostle and drag her around..."
0 likesJudy was making a joke. Jack Haley, who knew nothing like that ever happened, took her to task for it, she shot back, and they almost lost their decades-long friendship over it.
Disgusting
0 likes@Thoth the Atlantean Also false.
0 likesShortly after watching this, I was given a school assignment to write about how drugs affected the life of a celebrity and how they got on the drug. I did Judy Garland inspired by the video and while everyone else did mostly rappers, everyone who asked me who I was doing would not know who she played. After looking deeper into her life, it somehow is even more tragic than shown here. I feel really bad for her
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Judy was not under any requirements for meds when she made this movie.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 Can you go eat grass?
148 likes@Jacqueline Davis Why are you so hostile to the truth? You'd think people would be glad to know that all the guff about Judy being victimized on this picture is not true.
11 likesBy the way, "eat grass" means "take a bribe."
Especially since she was sexually harassed by the actors who played the Munchkins (thank Garland's ex-husband Sid Luft for the information).
105 likesYeah
0 likes@Garrtoons good god thats... i had no idea that even happened.
22 likes@Moon Bug The truth is the truth; it doesn't matter who you're hearing it from, nor if your narrow view of the world doesn't allow for fun.
2 likes@Garrtoons She was not sexually harassed. Luft was Judy's third husband and was not a part of her life when she made "Wizard." He regurgitated a lot of bigoted lies in his "memoir" because he knew that scandal sells.
3 likesHis and Judy's children Lorna and Joey, on the other hand, were great supporters of the Singer Midgets and worked with their surviving members for as long as those Little People lived to clear up the bad reports. As Lorna Luft has said about the Singer Midgets' alleged mistreatment of her mother, "That didn’t happen. They would have never, ever risked their careers, their once chance to be in a film."
@Cirrus It didn't.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You know, I've been waiting for this day to come.
24 likesThe day where you will NO DOUBT reply to this kind of stuff. 😂
Other than that, that's nice of her children.
@Garrtoons Glad not to disappoint, but I'm here a lot, you know. Wherever the truth needs to be told, I'm there like Dr. K. Besides, I'm not the only one these days.
1 like@MaskedMan66 any proof to back up that statement? any links to articles? anything? no, of course not.
18 likes@Garrtoons this man has been commenting none-sense for well over a month at this point, your better off gawking at his Chewbacca videos where random people in the comments say "ew" and he calls them "anti-chewbacca racists" negating the fact that its not racist to be weirded out by some random dude dressed up as chewy making a bunch of special occasion greeting videos.
24 likesedit: since youtube mobile shows how many comments a person made on a yt channel, 354 fucking comments most recent being from this specific video.
@Cirrus I know. I'm just going along with the madness. 😅
2 likes@Garrtoons might as well grab a drink for the evening should the dude reply with some none-sense.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 Holy Cannoli kids I’m Mario! And I’m tellin’ ya, if you’re not watching the Super Mario Brothers Super Show, you’re gonna turn into a goomba! Don’t be the last on your block to be playin’ with PASTA POWER. Tune in for the wildest weekday fun in the universe! Join me, Luigi, Princess Toadstool, and Toad.
14 likesWe’re gonna kick some koopa WOOO!!
@MaskedMan66 Hundreds or maybe thousands of articles from trustworthy companies and journalists.
12 likesIf they were proven false, people would be agreeing with you by now. Are they, though?
@Garrtoons exactly plus many of the books glamorize and ignore the issues the actors faced on-set, plus sighting books that bootlick MGM is laughable for the dude.
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@MaskedMan66 You know, I used to think he and I were the same. Seeing as how he was so small and slender, just like a girl…
1 likeIn a men’s society where physical health and strength are the standards we are measured against, he was looked down upon.
I thought that he’d be frustrated and rebellious, with an inferiority complex simmering under the surface.
That he held the same dreams and desires as me, that he was someone who would come running toward the same goal.
So I thought I understood his feelings. To my embarrassment, I was mistaken.
I thought he would sympathize with and support me, and fight by my side… So when I was admitted to the hospital for my condition, I had him do what I wanted while I was unable to move.
And what I wanted was to bring revolution to Yumenosaki and the idol industry. For that purpose, I had to squeeze out the pus and disease and dispose of them.
At that time, I was in and out of the hospital, so it was a lot of trouble trying to do everything myself.
It was my first trial, as something that no one had tried before… And I didn’t have much confidence in it, so I had him give it a go first.
While indoctrinating him with half-truths, I used the student council, created new plans…
And from both on the surface and behind the scenes, I secretly tried to control him.
That trial went well, for the most part.
I broke up the swollen Chess, used Judgment to remove the ill, affected areas… used Duel to kill off enemies, the disease attacking from outside.
Judgment was put down as J, Duel as D, and any other DreamFes were labelled as O…
For convenience, I separated them by alphabetic letters on the student council’s paperwork.
The remnants of that alphabetic management system are why even now DreamFes are officially called S1, A1, and the like.
Well, I digress.
The point is, DreamFes around that time was still just an experiment… It was still an unpolished prototype, so there was no guarantee it would work as I’d expected.
So to take the responsibility of possible failure off me, I fixed someone else at the center of it. In other words, that someone was Tsukinaga-kun.
He was my stand-in protagonist. Thanks to him, I managed to collect a considerable amount of practical data and removed quite a bit of pus from the school.
Of course, we may call it a war or something along those lines, but there were no actual casualties.
The defeated continued on with their carefree lives, but in the later revolution, I made them my supporters.
Tsukinaga-kun continued his steady growth beyond my expectations, and his strength grew far too great…
So to put an end to all of that, I held Checkmate after my condition stabilized.
Checkmate… It was only DreamFes in history to be labelled with the letter C, and became the point at which the path split.
After that, the protagonist changed. I went into action, moving along our plan to conquer the Five Oddballs.
Tsukinaga-kun had exhausted his role. It was clear he was on the verge of a decline.
As he defeated his former comrades, one after another, he soon became resented by everyone and could no longer triumph in DreamFes battles…
But even then, he would cry justice, like Don Quixote, as he continued to fight the villains.
We were concerned with essentially the same things, so there were times when we fought together, too.
However, that relationship didn’t last long, either.
After all, he could probably guess what I’d been planning. He’d say something like “You’re the mastermind, huh~”, and challenge me on many occasions. Either way, I shot back.
He’d already been driven into a corner by then, and no one would stop to listen to the words of a bygone hero, now despised and ostracized.
In fact, people would gather around me in sympathy, telling me how bad they felt hearing such strange things being said to me.
I took advantage of every one of his actions to kindle the fire of my revolution. He burned up, disappeared… and everything went just as I had planned.
Just like the foolish naked king, you all just embarrassed yourselves in letting yourselves be used. I do offer my condolences, though I suppose I’m the last person you’d want empathy from.
It was a war. Those who were deceived are at fault, and those who survived preside as justice.
Of course I felt terrible, but I continued to tell myself that… And I stood atop your remains.
At least this sacrifice wasn’t in vain… All I can do now is assert this.
@Cirrus You'd never even heard of the books I mentioned until I brought them up. How about you actually read them before declaring anything about them? Margaret Hamilton certainly enjoyed Aljean Harmetz's book, to which she added her unvarnished, unglamorized account of when she got burned.
2 likes@BedrockCastle777 "This man" is reporting what a woman and three other men discovered via decades of research and direct communication with the people who worked on the movie. Aljean Harmetz spoke with forty-eight people, cast and crew alike (including her own mother, who was in Wardrobe) for her book, which sugarcoats nothing.
1 like@Cirrus You've never read the books, and before I'd mentioned them, I'm sure you were unaware of them. Not only do they relate what happened during production, but in Aljean Harmetz's book, Margaret Hamilton, Buddy Ebsen, and Betty Danko give their own accounts of what they dealt with.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 Textbook example of a troll. These people took the bait, good job!
5 likes@MaskedMan66 dude please take a walk outside you really dont win anything arguing with people online
8 likes@Mixalis zintis I don't need to argue; I'm in possession of the facts, as anyone can be who reads the right sources.
1 like@Mixalis zintis Incidentally, I'm flattered that y'all want to make this about me, but it isn't. It's about MGM's "The Wizard of Oz." Do keep to the topic at had.
1 like@seya Diakite I'm not sure what you mean by "all of this." Judy was a born performer, and loved it. What she didn't love was being overworked, but that was after the success of "Wizard" made her a star.
1 like@MaskedMan66 yeah but her mom allowed her to drug herself for showbusiness starting at a very young age. She once said her mom was the real wicked witch of the west. I know the wizard of oz is an amazing movie, but it ruined her life to death.
1 like@seya Diakite The movie did not ruin Judy's life, other things did. If you follow her life, you'll see that she always looked back upon "Wizard" with fondness, and always spoke in the highest terms of the people with whom she worked. You'll also notice that she adopted "Over the Rainbow" as her personal theme song, a thing she would never have done if "Wizard" was at all a bad time or memory for her.
1 like@MaskedMan66 her drug addict started when they gave her all those drugs to focus on set. That addiction followed her for the rest of her life
1 like@seya Diakite LOL She didn't NEED any "drugs to focus on the set." She was a naturally talented and focused performer.
1 like@MaskedMan66 they gave her pills to reduce her appetite and sleeping pills because she had long hours or production, and amphetamines. She grew a lot more addicted to it for the rest of her life.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 people who knew judy garland confirmed the facts. None of us here know what happend. Mickey Rooney, her late best friend and co-star, knew alot of things about her. Even her daughters and son, who are still alive today.
1 like@MaskedMan66 what I meant by "all of this" is that her mom kept giving her energy and sleep pills for performances before she was even 10. She remembered her mom in her later life as the real wicked witch of the west.
1 like@seya Diakite Wrong. Ethel Gumm introduced her daughters to amphetamines (not to be confused with methamphetamine, which Judy never used in her life) and barbiturates when Judy was 13. They were not "recreational substances," but medicines, and the harmful effects had not yet been catalogued.
1 likeJudy used neither while working on "Wizard" since her work day was only four hours, half the length of everyone else's.
@MaskedMan66 reddit
1 like@pcvrisepic Never been there.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Dude you've been making gaslighting comments on this video for months and it's really sad.
3 likesYoutube reply mfs on their way to do anything but what anyone asked for and just be total redditors
5 likes@MaskedMan66 Just stop...
3 likes@Laupis What have you got against the truth?
1 like@MaskedMan66 deez nuts
2 likes@MaskedMan66 You need to take a break.
1 like@Lordi LOL From what? It's when I have a break from daily routine that I noodle around on the computer, and even then I'm multitasking.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Doubtful since you've been basically spamming for months but whatever I guess
3 likes@Lordi I'm flattered that you want to make this all about me, but it isn't. The facts about this movie, accessible in the books I've listed, are available for anyone to read. Find them and read them yourself, and learn a few things.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Being condescending isn't a good look but go off i guess.
2 likesPeople are gonna be less inclined to do what you say because of your spam BTW but whatever.
@Lordi Not spamming, just sharing information. Real information. Check your feelings at the door and open your intellect to the facts.
1 like@MaskedMan66 I mean it is spamming when you post hundreds of comments on a single video because you got triggered
1 like@Lordi If people were spreading misinformation and indeed lies about a subject on which you were well-informed, you would want them to have the facts as well. That's not being "triggered," that's being helpful.
1 like@Lordi P.S.: Is your screen name a reference to a certain horror-themed metal band?
1 like@MaskedMan66 Yes it is. Why?
0 likes@Lordi Just curious.
1 like@MaskedMan66 if you are so sure on giving real information why arent you giving links to sources of youre information yet, everyone knows correct info can be hard to find on the internet so why not share the links you have so we can all know the real information on this
1 like@Datbanan I've been giving my sources all along, namely the three most authoritative books that have been published about the movie: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
1 likeIf you really want to know the story, you'll find it in those books. The good, the bad, and (most often) the mundane are all there.
@MaskedMan66 well ill have to look into that then, sorry i didnt notice you already saying your sources
0 likes@Datbanan No worries! I may not have mentioned them in this thread, but as long as this thread is, I ain't goin' lookin'. :-)
1 like@MooGoblin Come back when you're ready to make sense.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I'd respond in kind but lord knows you'll keep coming back forever.
2 likeswhat the fuck happened in the replies
4 likes@Plague doctor How do you mean?
0 likes@Plague doctor The longest most unneeded discussion of all time
1 like@MaskedMan66 Get a life man, and stop lying in the comment section.
3 likes@Laupis Got a life, thanks (probably a more fun one than you) and if I'm lying, then so is reality.
0 likes@Laupis As Lorna Luft has said about the Singer Midgets' alleged mistreatment of her mother, "That didn’t happen. They would have never, ever risked their careers, their once chance to be in a film."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 900 comments on this channel 🤣
0 likes@Jason R You stalkin' me?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I'm not even trying to offend you bro its just funny 🤣
0 likesYou recieve: Physical and mental scars that you will never forget.
2681 likesI recieve: The most watched film of all time
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Margaret Hamilton, who, as everyone knows, got burned while making the movie, adored the finished product, and never dwelled on her scars.
49 likes@MaskedMan66 Damn it's almost like Alzheimers makes it hard to dwell on anything
255 likes@Dante The Wanderer I'm talking about before she got Alzheimer's.
29 likes@Dante The Wanderer hahahah
4 likes@Dante The Wanderer brooooooooo
5 likesdamn that’s a good deal
0 likesYo thats the deal of the century
0 likes@yossarian If the "Mr. Rogers" episode wasn't banned, then I doubt the "Sesame Street" episode was. I understand there were other reasons as regards that. Miss Hamilton also played the WWW in a 1976 Halloween special starring comedian Paul Lynde.
0 likes@yossarian There's a video of her "Sesame Street" appearance here on YouTube. It was recorded by someone pointing a camera at the T.V., so the quality isn't that great, but it's something at least!
2 likes@MaskedMan66 that is so wonderful to hear. I’m glad she didn’t look back on it with a heavy heart.
3 likes@Teya Not at all; she wasn't the kind of person to hold a grudge or let anything keep her down.
2 likesMiss Hamilton's stunt double Betty Danko had received worse scars when she was doubling for an actress in a comedy some years before Wizard; a mountain lion almost bit her foot off; she got 17 stitches as a result.
0 likes@acacia The actors were not abused; it was just hard work. You might as well say that construction workers are "abused."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 nah they are paid to act, not abused there is a difference
0 likesBetty Danko, who was the stuntwoman for Margaret Hamilton, had already received the worst on-the-job scars she ever had in her career, getting seventeen stitches after a mountain nearly bit off her left foot while she was doubling for the lead actress in a comedy.
0 likesYou also receive countless videos explaining just how bad the set of the Wizard of Oz was and how hellish the actors/actress’ experiences on said set were.
0 likes@Certified Intellectual: James Taboo And most of those videos are full of exaggerations and even outright lies about what went down. To this very day, actors have to deal with uncomfortable costumes and make-up under hot studio lights or even hot locations. Think of Anthony Daniels encased in top-to-toe fiberglass out in the desert for the Star Wars movies. And unlike the hot lights in the Wizard of Oz sound stages, the sun can't be shut off every half hour for a break.
0 likesI always knew that Hollywood in general was horrible and they treat their celebrities, but this was even horrible than I thought.
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@MaskedMan66 no, i don't think so
41 likes@Samuel Aviles I do, especially having read the authoritative books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
4 likes@MaskedMan66 tl;dr
28 likes@Flaky It was one short paragraph. Don't be cowardly.
4 likesYeah
1 like@Logan Taylor Hollywood, schmollywood; I'm talking about one movie.
2 likesmans just got ratio'd
5 likesYou say is as if this video isnt about events from 1939
1 likeYeah, this was all the bad parts of Hollywood, but amplified to 10. Poor Judy was also extremely bullied by the other costars whom couldn’t stand the fact that the lead of the movie was a little girl and not them. She was bullied by the directors and executives, bullied by her costars, was starved by the diet they gave her, and forced to become addicted to amphetamines also. What a tragedy all around
3 likes@Crispy Toast
2 likesNo kidding. I'm losing count over how many times I've said "Oh My God!" or "Holy crap!" to the horrific things that happened to these people.
@DemonicRemption What then would be your reaction to the news that Olivia Jackson (Milla Jovovich's stunt double on Resident Evil: The Final Chapter ) lost an arm filming a motorcycle sequence, or that David Holmes (Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ) is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong, or that actor Vic Morrow and child actresses Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen were killed by a crashing helicopter on location for Twilight Zone: The Movie? I could name you many, many more movies which were plagued by far worse things than ever happened to the cast and crew of The Wizard of Oz (and that's leaving out the exaggerations and lies that have often accompanied "reports" of that movie's production).
0 likes@MaskedMan66
3 likesOh well since you asked, here are the following reactions:
Olivia Jackson (Milla Jovovich's stunt double on Resident Evil: The Final Chapter ) lost an arm filming a motorcycle sequence<--- "WHOA! GOOD LORD!!! :O"
" David Holmes (Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ) is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong,"<--- "Oh my lord!!! O_O"
Vic Morrow and child actresses Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen were killed by a crashing helicopter on location for Twilight Zone: The Movie?<--- HOLY $H!T!!! :O
To think I wanted to work in Hollywood, I think I'll keep my distance from that house of mutilation and murder.
@DemonicRemption Scarcely murder. And if you want to avoid danger, I suggest you wrap your house in bubble wrap and never leave it.
0 likesOf course, they say most accidents happen in the home....
@MaskedMan66 yeah dude, I'm sure it would've gone well if the staff went around trash talking the bigwig executives from the monopoly that was MGM after they were mistreated. would've been fun trying to find a job after that !
3 likes@Vher Not with rival studios; they'd have been more than happy to have those great talents working for them. Besides, what "bigwig executives?" I was talking about the cast and crew and their kind words for each other.
0 likessix people almost died
0 likes@[やæ] "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. On other movie projects, dozens of people did die.
0 likesThis comment hardly makes sense wtf
0 likes@MaskedMan66 The fire in my house isn't so bad. I think I'll stay inside. After all, the fire in my neighbor's house is two degrees hotter.
2 likes@Andrew Have we met?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 hollywood always promotes toxic behaviour such as this movie, prove me wrong
0 likesThis is why you see all these celebrities go nuts and fall off the wagon with drugs, booze and other self destructive behavior. How much abuse can you expect someone to take before they crack?
0 likes@acacia Ricardo Montalban.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 doesn't mean anything...
0 likes@tiru liru Hollywood began over a hundred years ago as a small suburb and an artistic community; the rot didn't set in until much later. Incidentally, one of Hollywood's earliest residents was L. Frank Baum, who indeed made some movies himself, two of them based on his Oz books.
0 likesY'know looking at all this makes me think CGI was actually one of the best things to happen in the industry since the actors are never in danger from practical effects like they are here, quality be damned.
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There's danger in any occupation-- there's danger in just stepping outside your door. Welcome to life.
49 likes@MaskedMan66 There's a difference between "danger" from daily life and unnecessary, huge danger from a professional job that's supposed to make things as safe as possible.
708 likes@Meera System Exactly what would "necessary danger" be? Danger is danger. It can be big or small. And it can also be survivable.
6 likes@MaskedMan66 If it can be preventable, it's unnecessary.
397 likesSure, cooking is inherintly dangerous and you can get burned in the process, and stunt acting is an inherintly risky job doing risky maneuvers, but even in those you have to prevent danger as much as possible.
There's a difference between "stunt went wrong, injured my arm" and "stunt went wrong and I got burned alive" or "stunt went wrong and a huge explosion hit me, I also got alzheimer out of poisoning from my makeup".
That's why I don't get your comment
222 likesSomeone was just pointing out that "hey, CGI is good because it makes things less unnecessarily risky and dangerous things preventable"
And you're just like "danger is a part of life", as if saying "I don't care about the safety of actors", even after watching what the potential consequences are.
@Meera System The Wicked Witch's exit from the Munchkin City wasn't meant to be a stunt. the way they had it worked out, the elevator would have Miss Hamilton under the stage before the flames went up, and the first time they did the shot, everything worked perfectly. It was in a later take that the fire went off too soon.
4 likesMiss Hamilton never raised a stink about it, dealt with her injuries, finished her job, had a ball playing the Wicked Witch, and was one of the movie's biggest fans for the rest of her life. That being the case, it's silly for anyone to virtue signal on her behalf.
Show me a medical report definitely linking her Alzheimer's to her make-up from half a century before, and we'll talk. And while you're at it, find out how the twenty or so actors who wore the same formulation on their faces fared later in life. If they all developed Alzheimer's as well, you might have a case.
@Meera System No, I said that danger is a part of life because danger is a part of life. You inferred something that's inaccurate.
3 likesThis is more the fault of a greedy incompetent studio who put their actors in danger solely to cut cost and production.
103 likesPutting the blame on practical effect as a whole is just shifting the blame. Workers rights and effects have come a long way since the 40s
@Draph Enjoyer Wrong. The accidents that happened were nothing but accidents. Are all industrial accidents to be blamed on "greedy, incompetent" bosses? Even with the greatest safety measures in place, things can still break loose. It's ludicrous to single out one movie and make it a poster child for a soapbox rant.
5 likesPractical effects have come a LONG way. Look at Pan’s Labyrinth.
24 likesHe’s not entirely wrong though, this production was absurd and unnecessary.
14 likes@MaskedMan66 dude stop with the apologetics in every comment thread
85 likes@Seth Given that apologetics is all about setting the record straight and telling the truth, I'd have to give you a "no" on that demand.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 Dude just admit people suffered. It’s a great movie, you’re not wrong for loving it. But you’re just idolizing an era of Hollywood that was much darker than it already is today.
87 likes@Seth I'm not idolizing anything; of course people suffered; Margaret Hamilton had the skin on the back of her right hand BURN OFF. OF COURSE people suffered.
4 likesBut-- and this is the point-- the pain and discomfort they underwent was not deliberately done to them. They were just accidents like millions of accidents that have happened throughout moviemaking history-- and indeed human history in general. It was not part of some diabolical plot that MGM had against their performers.
@MaskedMan66 the issue is evil actions lies in banality, in turning a cheek. Like how copper paint was already known to be unhealthy for humans but they used it anyway. It doesn’t have to be “hey guys let’s damage all these workers on purpose!”, of course. Most of the time businessmen will simply say “I’ll just cut this corner here”, and then they don’t have to hear about the repercussions of their actions.
66 likes@Seth It wasn't "paint" like house paint. It was make-up, and copper had been in use for many years to effect a green color in the make-up. Neither Margaret Hamilton nor the many actors who played Winkies in the film suffered any lasting ill effects from their make-up.
1 likeBear in mind that people also wear jewelry and other adornments made of copper and have done all right.
I've only spent 2 years as an actor so far and haven't even made it big yet I've already witnessed similar things.
14 likesDirectors, especially on a budget, are just as cruel as before, the pressure film directors have to endure turns them all into nutjobs disreguarding any human life but their own, I've seen a child actor almost get crippled due to questionable work ethics and insane schedules with no breaks.
During the pandemic there was a complete disreguard for any safety measures, most of the crews would frequently be infected which put in danger elderly actors.
Even nowadays with quality fake blood available for low prices, directors often prefers fight scenes to be real and the actors to sustain real injuries "because it feels more real".
Pretty sure nowadays practical effects arent operated by people that are drunk or high on set so they dont have a chance of exploding of malfunctioning like that.
13 likes@clawz161 Nor were they then; anyone who was would be fired. Actually, it's today's filmmakers you have to look out for; Bruce Willis hated working with Kevin Smith because Smith would always be off in a corner getting stoned.
1 like@MaskedMan66 What drives your hundreds of comments on this video? I genuinely want to you what your motivation is as I don't really understand your motive, it seems like you just disagree with everyone deliberately but specifically about the wizard of OZ. Why? Genuinely asking
34 likes@Carl Jackson Like I already told you in another comment, it's nothing to do with agreement or disagreement. You might as well say that I "want" people to "agree with me" that two plus two equals four. That's a fact regardless of who you're hearing it from and whether you like it or not.
1 likeThe facts about this movie, which are regularly twisted by people, including YouTubers, are given in their unvarnished truth in the books I also listed for you, and there are other reliable sources as well.
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2 likes@LANREBLOOM If that's what you think I'm doing, you're not reading my comments. All I'm doing is setting the record straight about one movie.
1 like@MaskedMan66 what an amazingly terrible take
29 likes@Aventicity What are you talking about?
1 like@MaskedMan66 calm down with the Hollywood obssesion
25 likes@A Fellow Human Oz obsession, if you please. It's everyone else who's banging on about Hollywood.
1 like@MaskedMan66 it's kind off sad to see a person dedicating a segnificant portion of their year trying to "set the record straight" when the video they're in has already been straightened and does not need further explanations.
31 likesThe Mummy absolutely nailed their CGI with not just expenses, but also quality at the time, too
6 likes@RandomDude OnTheInternet No, just my spare time. And there's no need for quotation marks; I have set the record straight, thanks to Oz historians who did it before me. Whether the video is correct or not, many people invariably are not correct, and it's they who need telling.
1 likeIf you don't like it, all you have to do is scroll on by.
@RandomDude OnTheInternet And don't tell me to "scroll on by," because (a) you'd just be parroting, and (b) where the truth is needed, I'll always stop.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 damn bro u got ratio'd hard
22 likes@MaskedMan66 k
6 likesFrl
0 likesOuch
0 likesYeah, practical is a double-edged sword.
0 likesAt least Mila Kunis didn't suffer the same fate as Hamilton.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 there's the kind of danger of wandering outside your house and possibly getting run over, and sitting down in the middle of a freeway because your director told you to.
14 likes@Gwesty33 96tears Nobody knowingly put anybody in the path of danger. Accidents are accidents.
0 likesYeah
0 likesWild west movies in early 1900s used former outlaws and similar as actors...
0 likes@British F type gr3 Source?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 a documentary forgot what it's called unfortunately gonna find it by youtube
0 likesI'd be interested in hearing how this is true for a couple of points. Feeding Judy Garland meth. Was that just normal practice at the time? The tinman being hospitalized for the makeup and then continuing to use it. Was it ignorance of the cause of the original tinman's hospitalization or was it arrogance? The makeup of the witch had copper in it which was known to be toxic upon ingestion. Putting it that close to her mouth seems a bit dangerous was this a common choice for the time? And lastly the cowardly lions suit being as heavy as it was. Was using an actual lions pelt and fur necessary or was it a consequence the executives chose, and possibly the actor, to be as genuine to a lion as they could be?
5 likesYou seem to be strawmanning, no pun intended, here by saying that risk is risk. The issue of a risk factor is not black and white. There are levels of risk we calculate and make risk assessments. All of these complications are things we know about now, in hindsight, as carrying too much risk to use for a movie production. Did they know that then or were they acting in bad faith by pushing risk they were aware of onto their cast.
@Denglish5 Judy was not "fed meth." People mix up methamphetamine, which Judy never took in her life, with amphetamines, which she did take at various times for various reasons, but had no need of during the making of "Wizard."
4 likesBuddy Ebsen, the first actor cast as the Tin Woodman, had a bad reaction to his make-up, which consisted of a greasepaint base with aluminum powder dusted on top of it. The powder got into the air, and then into Ebsen's lungs, where it triggered a congenital bronchial condition and put him in hospital. Naturally, he could not continue, so he was released from the movie. His successor, Jack Haley, wore a reformulation of the make-up, which was now an aluminum paste.
It was the copper that made Margaret Hamilton's make-up-- and the make-up worn by all the Winkies-- green in the first place. Make-ups of all formulations have been put on people's mouths, and they have been smart enough not to eat it.
The costume designer, Adrian, decided upon the lion pelt when tests with other kinds of suits proved unsatisfactory. But as people have been wearing animal skins and fur and other bits all throughout human history, this really shouldn't be considered that big a deal. The weight of the suit (70 pounds according to most sources) came as much from the padding as the material.
Moviemaking is not a safe profession. Stage is not a safe profession. There are very few safe professions. And accidents happen, even when precautions are taken. Playing "coulda-shoulda-woulda," especially about something over which you have no possible influence, is a fruitless exercise. Best you should do what the cast and crew did: enjoy the movie and get on with life.
@MaskedMan66 I don’t think dismissing practical effects is the way to go, just because something could go wrong doesn’t mean it has to. Some of the most iconic artistic works have come from practical effects. Rick baker’s work in American werewolf in London, rob bottins work in the thing, the list goes on and on. Cgi can age but physical work lasts forever. Taking precautions and doing the work right is how it should be done not dismissing a way of working because it can be “scary”.
11 likes@Mr.Moist Sorry, who are you talking to? I never dismissed anything. FX is FX. There are tons of ways to achieve an effect, and there are good and bad-- and dated-- examples of all of them.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 This is a great response and is a satisfactory rebuttal to the concerns the video raises. I replied in hope that you would elaborate on the concept of "accidents are accidents". As i said risk is a spectrum and given this information, and some other minimal research i did on the side, it seems reasonable to me to make the claim that the production was not so much at fault for the accidents that happened on set but instead was just reasonably participating in the common practice of the time. Thank you for explaining.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 meant to reply to the original commenter my bad lmao
1 like@Mr.Moist No worries! :-)
1 like@Denglish5 Thank you. :-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 getting killed instantly by stepping outside your door is low but never zero
1 like@MaskedMan66 You know, I used to think he and I were the same. Seeing as how he was so small and slender, just like a girl…
1 likeIn a men’s society where physical health and strength are the standards we are measured against, he was looked down upon.
I thought that he’d be frustrated and rebellious, with an inferiority complex simmering under the surface.
That he held the same dreams and desires as me, that he was someone who would come running toward the same goal.
So I thought I understood his feelings. To my embarrassment, I was mistaken.
I thought he would sympathize with and support me, and fight by my side… So when I was admitted to the hospital for my condition, I had him do what I wanted while I was unable to move.
And what I wanted was to bring revolution to Yumenosaki and the idol industry. For that purpose, I had to squeeze out the pus and disease and dispose of them.
At that time, I was in and out of the hospital, so it was a lot of trouble trying to do everything myself.
It was my first trial, as something that no one had tried before… And I didn’t have much confidence in it, so I had him give it a go first.
While indoctrinating him with half-truths, I used the student council, created new plans…
And from both on the surface and behind the scenes, I secretly tried to control him.
That trial went well, for the most part.
I broke up the swollen Chess, used Judgment to remove the ill, affected areas… used Duel to kill off enemies, the disease attacking from outside.
Judgment was put down as J, Duel as D, and any other DreamFes were labelled as O…
For convenience, I separated them by alphabetic letters on the student council’s paperwork.
The remnants of that alphabetic management system are why even now DreamFes are officially called S1, A1, and the like.
Well, I digress.
The point is, DreamFes around that time was still just an experiment… It was still an unpolished prototype, so there was no guarantee it would work as I’d expected.
So to take the responsibility of possible failure off me, I fixed someone else at the center of it. In other words, that someone was Tsukinaga-kun.
He was my stand-in protagonist. Thanks to him, I managed to collect a considerable amount of practical data and removed quite a bit of pus from the school.
Of course, we may call it a war or something along those lines, but there were no actual casualties.
The defeated continued on with their carefree lives, but in the later revolution, I made them my supporters.
Tsukinaga-kun continued his steady growth beyond my expectations, and his strength grew far too great…
So to put an end to all of that, I held Checkmate after my condition stabilized.
Checkmate… It was only DreamFes in history to be labelled with the letter C, and became the point at which the path split.
After that, the protagonist changed. I went into action, moving along our plan to conquer the Five Oddballs.
Tsukinaga-kun had exhausted his role. It was clear he was on the verge of a decline.
As he defeated his former comrades, one after another, he soon became resented by everyone and could no longer triumph in DreamFes battles…
But even then, he would cry justice, like Don Quixote, as he continued to fight the villains.
We were concerned with essentially the same things, so there were times when we fought together, too.
However, that relationship didn’t last long, either.
After all, he could probably guess what I’d been planning. He’d say something like “You’re the mastermind, huh~”, and challenge me on many occasions. Either way, I shot back.
He’d already been driven into a corner by then, and no one would stop to listen to the words of a bygone hero, now despised and ostracized.
In fact, people would gather around me in sympathy, telling me how bad they felt hearing such strange things being said to me.
I took advantage of every one of his actions to kindle the fire of my revolution. He burned up, disappeared… and everything went just as I had planned.
Just like the foolish naked king, you all just embarrassed yourselves in letting yourselves be used. I do offer my condolences, though I suppose I’m the last person you’d want empathy from.
It was a war. Those who were deceived are at fault, and those who survived preside as justice.
Of course I felt terrible, but I continued to tell myself that… And I stood atop your remains.
At least this sacrifice wasn’t in vain… All I can do now is assert this.
Even in schools there's a sense of danger. I got death threats by my peers simply because I had constructive criticism of what they were doing. They wanted to shoot me with bows.
0 likesMad max Fury road
0 likes@•TsetyT• Not with arrows?
1 like@MaskedMan66 So let’s say a director for a movie in the 1930’s wants to make a movie and envisions a stunt that is a literal death trap, but won’t budge from their vision in their head because of costs and stubbornness. Because of this, it causes the deaths of the actors involved in the stunt. Would you call this hypothetical scenario an accident or a murder?
4 likesRemember when the comment was about cgi?
7 likes@Mario(lightnin) Welcome to human discourse! :-)
3 likesIt depends. Safety standards of practical effects were GREATLY improved over time since Wizard of Oz. Modern practical effects safety standards make most practical effects no more dangerous than CGI.
1 likeHell, give the VFX artists a proper paycheck and deadline so the CGI isn't shit
0 likes@MaskedMan66 ur the only one on a soapbox ranting
4 likes@MaskedMan66 boomer
0 likes@Rusted Denial Nope, I'm sitting calmly in a chair telling the truth.
0 likes@Rusted Denial Explain how the generation into which a person was born has any bearing on truth. I'll wait.
1 likeCrunch time is the downside of CGI
1 like@Kakyoin The Explainer This isn't about me. It's about the truth.
1 like@MaskedMan66 bless your heart
2 likes@Kakyoin The Explainer :-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66
5 likesJudy was not "fed meth." People mix up methamphetamine, which Judy never took in her life, with amphetamines, which she did take at various times for various reasons, but had no need of during the making of "Wizard."
Although Judy was not “fed meth”, amphetamines are also extremely addictive and should not be given to a 17-year-old in her developmental phase of life. I also can’t find anything on your statement about her not taking it during the making of the movie. Perhaps I’m wrong however as I’m not a huge fan of the movie.
“Buddy Ebsen, the first actor cast as the Tin Woodman, had a bad reaction to his make-up, which consisted of a greasepaint base with aluminum powder dusted on top of it. The powder got into the air, and then into Ebsen's lungs, where it triggered a congenital bronchial condition and put him in hospital. Naturally, he could not continue, so he was released from the movie. His successor, Jack Haley, wore a reformulation of the make-up, which was now an aluminum paste.”
A bad reaction does not properly describe someone inhaling aluminum powder. Aluminosis is almost guaranteed when inhaling it, and although it was relatively new information at the time, cases were found as early back as the 1930’s. I doubt they did him dirty on purpose, but more research could’ve been done to prevent it.
”The costume designer, Adrian, decided upon the lion pelt when tests with other kinds of suits proved unsatisfactory. But as people have been wearing animal skins and fur and other bits all throughout human history, this really shouldn't be considered that big a deal. The weight of the suit (70 pounds according to most sources) came as much from the padding as the material.”
Perhaps you didn’t watch the video but one of the first things mentioned was the use of intense lights. Animal skins was used for clothes because it keeps you WARM, and the weight of the costume certainly didn’t help.
“Moviemaking is not a safe profession. Stage is not a safe profession. There are very few safe professions. And accidents happen, even when precautions are taken. Playing "coulda-shoulda-woulda," especially about something over which you have no possible influence, is a fruitless exercise. Best you should do what the cast and crew did: enjoy the movie and get on with life.”
Ah, right, so because moviemaking is not a safe profession, which I disagree with, that means that you shouldn’t strive to give the actors and crew the best working conditions possible? That’s moronic. Everyone here is arguing that more precautions could have been taken. Six people out of the cast received major injuries which, even for the time, is unusually high. How do you explain that?
@MaskedMan66 I always like to remember that debates like these on the internet are going to be forgotten and it's just for laughs and giggles. Everyone goes back to their normal lives, if you have one.
5 likes@MaskedMan66 You seem to know a lot more about the movie than I. I just understand the science. We seem to have different views on how dangerous is too dangerous so let's just agree to disagree.
0 likesSorry if I came off a little angry in my previous comment. Hearing the accidents presented in the video had me a tad emotional.
Thank you for the debate.
@Alan Romo What's a "normal" life? ;-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 TL:DR: Danger bad. Ooga booga be safe and smart.
0 likes@chinsaw2727 It call it a ridiculous scenario, since it doesn't reflect reality.
0 likes@Harms It's not a matter for agreement or disagreement. Moviemaking has proven extremely dangerous for hundreds of people; the accidents that happened while "Wizard" was being made have, as I've illustrated, paled in comparison to the tragic and even fatal accidents reported from other films and T.V. shows right up to the present day.
2 likesThere's danger in just about any industry; that's a given. What matters is getting the facts straight (and most often they're more mundane than people think), and also in how the people affected deal with what they've been through. People in general were much more resilient in the past then they are now.
Anyhow, I have enjoyed discussing with you as well; and I want to thank you foe keeping it on an adult level. :-)
@Alan Romo Ooga Booga be smarter if he reads more stuff (anyway it's only a paragraph-length comment).
2 likes@MaskedMan66Quick question, have you seen the movie Luca?
0 likes@Alan Romo No, I haven't.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Luca deez nuts GOTTEM
2 likes@Alan Romo Is that so?
1 like@MaskedMan66 I'm sorry you're not getting the reaction you wanted out of me during the beginning... 😔
0 likes@Alan Romo I wasn't aiming for one.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You definitely weren't, but you wanted it by chance. Believe what you want to believe, but it won't change the truth is what I always say.
0 likes@Alan Romo The truth is exactly what I believe.
1 like@MaskedMan66 And what I believe too, so it cancels out yours.
0 likes@Alan Romo You misunderstand. I don't believe "my" truth. That's subjectivism. I'm talking about the objective truth, which would be the truth whether I accepted it or not.
1 like@Alan Romo ahem I am not talking about subjective impressions, I am talking about that which is true no matter what anyone has to say about it.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Social boundaries have been shattered. The argumentive state for conflict and differences has been reformed and revolutionized. Everyone has the same views on things, but don't at the same time. Morals are different, but the same. Everyone and everything are different, but the same. The same is different, but the different is same.
0 likes@Mario(lightnin) Yeah. But MaskedMan66 over here just had to complain and act like Hollywood was perfectly fine back in the past. While there's always risk to mostly everything, decreasing risk isn't a bad thing, especially for movie production. Thus is why CGI is such a good thing: it reduces the risks of actors going through such horrible things as explained in the video. You wouldn't have to worry about the chance of a pyrotechnic backfiring if it's purely CGI and won't have to dump dangerous material on actors or make ungodly heavy suits that cause fainting thanks to CGI doing both.
0 likesHollywood is still a dangerous and toxic place, but it's much better now than it's ever been thanks to modern technology. Case closed.
MaskedMan here I bet wouldn't mind throwing himself into danger just to take a photograph.
@Mario(lightnin) oh yeah, it was.
1 like@DaBluePittoo - Aqua Not complaining, just setting the record straight about one movie in particular, not even talking Hollywood in general. You want horrible things? How about Milla Jovovich's stunt double losing an arm while making "Resident Evil: The Final Chapter?" Or Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double ending up paralyzed while making "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows?" Or Vic Morrow and child actresses Myca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen getting killed while filming "Twilight Zone: The Movie?" Far worse things have happened with other movies, even ones that use CGI, than ever happened on "The Wizard of Oz," so stop singling it out as though it was some unique case.
0 likes@Gregory Mirabella She didn't sue MGM because she knew it would be useless. She said that herself to Aljean Harmetz, who quoted her in the book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz." At the same time, however, she did bear with the pain because she did enjoy playing the character. The burns on her hand were third degree, by the way, and her Alzheimer's was forty years in the future, and therefore irrelevant to the situation.
1 like@MaskedMan66 That's a lot of words to say "I don't give a shit about human life or safety."
3 likes@Negative Clarify.
2 likesThat's true, but I will say that studios (particularly anime studios) often treat animators like shit too, demanding they sacrifice their health and sanity to meet strict deadlines.
1 like@gl1tchygreml1n The make those exact demands? In writing?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I bet you're fun at parties
1 like@Zodiac You'd win that bet! Everyone wants me on their team for Trivial Pursuit.
1 like@MaskedMan66 That was sarcasm
1 like@Zodiac I know. I countered it with good humor. Best way to deal with it.
0 likes@Zodiac You don't know what "good humor" means. It means a good mood or a positive attitude. It's nothing to do with "humor" as in comedy.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Keep replying to every comment in this thread buddy. Really think about it all the time
1 like@Zodiac I reply because it would be discourteous not to.
0 likes@Navi Sakura It has not though. No one actually proved him wrong. Everyone did just like you did : does not actually respond to any of his point, completely misconstrue any of his argument, insult and attack ad hominem. 90% of people that answered to him did it with bad faith.
0 likesYes & No people pick up on CGI and can decipher CGI or real filming
0 likesNASA uses CGI extensively !
They should bring back squibs those. Fuck that shitty looking CGI blood
0 likessomeone tell this to Alec Baldwin
0 likes@MaskedMan66 it was preventable with proper safety precautions
0 likes@Mr.DirtyDan They had safety precautions, but the very nature of an accident is unpredictability. There were safety precautions on Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, but Olivia Jackson (Milla Jovovich's stunt double) still lost an arm. There were safety precautions on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, But David Holmes (Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double) still ended up paralyzed from the neck down.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 you can't deny that the cast had terrible working conditions and were treated poorly
1 like@Mr.DirtyDan Working conditions were normal for a Technicolor picture, and I can deny that the cast were treated poorly. They got along well with Mervyn LeRoy and Victor Fleming.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 having to take addictive drugs because of abysmal work hours isnt exactly good treatment. I'm not sure why your denying it so hard
1 like@Mr.DirtyDan The filming day was eight hours long, and Judy Garland, being a minor, was only allowed to work for four of those hours. There were no drugs involved.
0 likesThere are still injuries on movie sets and locations; most stunts are still handled by human beings, and they still get injured. Olivia Jackson lost an arm while filming a stunt for Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, and David Holmes is now paralyzed due to a stunt gone wrong during the making of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
0 likes@ireadysucks No, you came up with that bizarre notion all by yourself.
1 like@MaskedMan66 explain your point that you talked about in your first few comments
0 likes@chinsaw2727 May I ask which director you're talking about? Victor Fleming certainly didn't fit that description.
0 likesPain is temporary. Film is forever.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 Thank you. At first I didn't understand your comments. I thought they were weird and that you didn't aknowledge the struggles of the actors. But I guess not everything is truly black and white. Acting on stage is indeed risky and dangerous. If we look at all the actual accidents, they were for the sake of the video exaggerated, dragging all the fault to the producers.
2 likesThe actors themselves look back at it comicaly and I guess that's all it counts (asides from the tragic deaths).
@MaskedMan66 -_-
0 likes@Ræchaěl K Their deaths are not linked to the movie, as many would try to say. And yes, they all were very proud of what they'd achieved. :-)
2 likesSee, animation solves the problems of both safety and quality.
0 likes@Lalehian Deity So explain how we can animate the rest of life, because life is dangerous.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Animation provides a distilled interpretation of life. It sticks better in the mind.
0 likes@Lalehian Deity Not what I asked.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I’m just saying why animation is superior.
0 likes@Lalehian Deity Not when you're making a live-action film; then it tends to be a bit counterintuitive. ;-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Not if you don’t make it live action in the first place.
2 likesMaybe to the industry, but not to films themselves
0 likesPeople still get injured, and far worse than anyone did on Wizard. Olivia Jackson (stunt double to Milla Jovovich) lost an arm while shooting Resident Evil: The Final Chapter, and as a result of a stunt gone wrong during the making of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, David Holmes (stunt double to Daniel Radcliffe) is now a quadriplegic.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I think the reason so many people are replying to you is because you seem to be discrediting the suffering that these actors went through, whether or not that was your intention that’s the feeling your replies gave off
1 like@Ben I'm not sure what you mean by "discrediting"; that's a usage of that word I haven't run into. I don't deny they had their agonies; those hot lights were murder for everyone; actors and crew alike. That was why Victor Fleming had them switched off at regular intervals.
0 likesI think the main thing that people have to realize is that moviemaking was and is an uncomfortable business not for the faint of heart. Bearing that in mind, the hardships any cast and crew undergo are part of the job which they signed on for, and while there have been cases of actors who just couldn't take it (one case in point being Sal Mineo as Dr. Milo in Escape from the Planet of the Apes ), the majority of them are able to tough it out.
Kudos to the cast and crew of Wizard that they did just that.
@MaskedMan66 mashy ya edge lord
0 likes@MaskedMan66 unnecessary danger is like a fully-grown man who knows it's dangerous sticking a fork into an outlet
0 likes@AnArn B If he knows not to do that, then he won't do it, therefore no danger at all.
0 likesIf I cop gets shot on the job, yeah that’s a danger they knew was present, doesn’t mean we just accept it. This is such an ass take. An actor having a toxic subject applied to their skin that gives them memory issues, so that the public is .005% more convinced her skin is actually green is an unnecessary risk. CGI > unnecessary danger
0 likes@TheNopeAndNeverKing Okay, the toxicity of the copper lay only in that it could catch fire. It did not cause memory problems for Margaret Hamilton-- or, for that matter, any of the thirty or so actors who had the same make-up put on them for their roles as the Winkie Soldiers. Funny how everyone forgets about them.
0 likes(Come to that, how many people have you heard of who developed memory problems from wearing copper jewelry? How many coppersmiths have suffered from memory issues?)
As for the tint remaining on their skin for a short time afterwards, that is not uncommon to many kinds and shades of make-up. Miss Hamilton used to laugh at the recollection that she had to assure people that she wasn't ill.
There's a difference between practical effects and practical danger. Mad max had a ton of practical effects but not a single person was seriously injured.
0 likes@Mr Mora Nothing short of miraculous, then, because injuries on movie sets and locations are common, especially where there are lots of stunts and scenes of people fighting.
1 like@Not Me Nor have I ever. But I'm sorry, which of my comments are you answering?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 The one near the top, about industrial accidents and greedy, incompetent bosses. Would be easier to tell if you weren't going 1 v 15 in competitive keyboard warrioring.
0 likes@Navi Sakura This is zilch to do with me. Everything I've written here comes from the people who did the legwork on this movie, and who, like Aljean Harmetz, spoke directly to the people who were there.
0 likes@luna x Gesundheit.
0 likes@Not Me Like I said at the time, accidents are accidents, and they will happen no matter how many safety measures are put in place.
0 likesHard disagree. Cgi has ruined the art of film imo
0 likes@Ryleeman54number2 Rubbish. No more than any other means of doing special effects.
1 like@MaskedMan66 practical will always be better. I personally dont like green screen ass movies. Cgi should only be used when practical isnt really possible.
0 likes@Ryleeman54number2 LOL "Practical will always be better?" LOL Plainly, you've never heard of Ed Wood.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 im sorry youre just wrong
0 likes@Ryleeman54number2 You haven't heard of Ed Wood, then.
0 likes@Lalehian Deity also fantasy allows you to make worlds beyond physical limits
0 likesI think only Tom Cruise is the one actor who’ll dismiss CGI or a stunt double for a cool scene
0 likes@Pickle Odessey Jackie Chan used to be like that, but then he started listening to his body when it yelled at him, "我們不像以前那麼年輕了，我的孩子!" (We're not as young as we used to be, my boy!"
1 like@MaskedMan66 Makes sense
2 likes@MaskedMan66 Please stop arguing in bad faith.
0 likes@zanec14 I don't argue; I give reliable information.
0 likesgo watch police story 1&2 and think again
0 likes@Sgt. Pepper ?
0 likesWe can do it safely now, practical effects are cool and they're a lot of people's career. Good union jobs, making our movies better for the audience. It's being cut for money, not for anybody's safety
0 likes@Scabious They only used practical effects back in the day; after all, that's all there was.
0 likesAs for nowadays, accidents still happen. Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2, is now paralyzed from the neck down because of a stunt that went wrong. Likewise, Milla Jovovich's stunt double lost an arm while filming a motorcycle chase for Resident Evil: The Final Chapter.
@Scabious P.S.: There were unions back then as well; Boris Karloff helmed the Screen Actors Guild starting in 1933.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I wish I knew more about SAG, I know unions were pretty tamped down in the late 30's early 40's in a lot of sectors, was SAG particularly strong so early in it's existence?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Hmm, well, this is all very interesting but it hasn't convinced me to ditch practical effects for CGI when it's something that could be done practically
0 likes@Scabious FX is FX; it doesn't matter what method is used. I honestly don't understand why people have allowed their ideas about FX to stagnate and not move ahead.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I agree with you philosophically, I'm not a luddite, but the fake blood that looks like PS2 graphics that I see in so much stuff if so clearly for budgetary reasons, don't try and act like this is just beyond people's comprehension. It's a lot cheaper, so who cares how it looks?
0 likes@Scabious What fake blood?
0 likesikr, and there can be basically infinite possibilities on what you'd wanna make
0 likes@XenofiniteX Even in movies with CGI FX, actors can still get injured. Accidents happen in every line of work, and of course at home.
0 likesI can't imagine being in that 100lb lion suit the whole day, nobody just willingly signs up for that torture
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He was a furry
433 likesThere is something pretty badass about wearing an actual lion pelt though.
494 likesyoo its the justin 2.0
45 likes@Leonardo 😂😂😂
21 likesWhen people have the thirst for clout they're capable of unimaginable things...
69 likesI feel like there were a lot of things the studio wasn’t telling the actors about the set conditions
125 likesI mean, I'm sure plenty of furries would disagree
19 likesWith a mustache!
9 likes@tripplefives but do they have a shit ton of thick lion fur? no, no they do not.
66 likes@tripplefivesmissing the point muppet, difference is you have to be in iraq type weather for it to be hot, otherwise its just weight, and the lion suit was surrounded by lights that make it iraq weather on top of the fur on top of 100lb+ weight...
60 likes@The Tony no
1 likeIt's called being tenacious.
3 likesI'm a big fan.
1 likeGet out of my head
2 likesWhat price would you pay for stardom?
2 likesTell that to Haruo Nakajima
8 likesGive me some millions and I would do it :)
3 likesI keep seeing you everywhere
1 likeThe original Godzilla suit weighed 200lb and the actor’s sweat would pool up to the ankles. It took 3 hours to just put on the suit with no way to eat, drink or use the bathroom.
18 likesidk man payrate's good
0 likes@The Tony Man's tryna do a heracles 😂
0 likesThe furries called they want to eat your words
2 likes@tripplefives try wearing a few sweaters under all that. see what happens when you can't sweat. the weight was not the main issue.
4 likesHe’s probably really money though
0 likesThat was nothing for actors back then. Death and injury were common and actors were replaceable. Either you took the job or they got someone else to do it, and the depression meant that people were desperate for any amount of money.
7 likesA lot of people are saying that he did it for the fame but I don't think you realize how horrible working in Hollywood was back then. There were no unions and thus workers had no rights. Long shooting hours and drugs were common. Hell, the 1928 movie Noah and the great flood had 3 actors die on set and they kept their deaths in the film.
10 likesMy mom's favorite film is Gone with the wind, and boy that movie makes what happened behind the scenes with the Wizard of Oz look tame. The black actors didn't like playing stereotypical slaves but they weren't allowed to complain or they'd be replaced. There are multiple scenes of characters slapping each other. Those slaps are real. Several actors left the set with hurt jaws.
3 likesAnd to add the sugar on top, when the film won a Grammy the black actors couldn't go because they were black.
I don't know why my mom likes it tbh. The film is about a sociopath who no one in-universe likes. All the actors hated their characters. And of course it romanticizes the old south. But ya know, at least it's not Birth of a Nation lol
@tripplefives 2/502?
1 likeEven as a furry I'd say fuck no. But they also had a big paycheck at the end of the tunnel so I could see why they would deal with it
4 likes"What? And give up show business?"
0 likesWell there was the original Japanese Actor that played Godzilla remarked that the costume was also hefty to a degree.
1 like@tripplefives Ahhhhh we all know the weight our boys carry is so high that it wrecks their knees and spines. Then, the VA shafts them. Some people get it. I'm disappointed a bunch of people in the comments don't know the way in which our Army and Marines give their knee function for their country haha..
1 like@Scätman, Yep, it wasn't a pleasant experience to act like a monster with that much bulk.
0 likesUnder 100 degree lights no less
0 likesBollywoorx
0 likesPeople were tougher in those days. Their daily life would leave you in ruins.
1 likeChuck E. Cheese
0 likesIt was more like 75 pounds, and it was simply a case of playing a character. Lahr didn't like the suit, but he dealt with it. What else does one do? He was not the first actor to wear a heavy, uncomfortable costume, and he most certainly was not the last.
6 likes@Franklin Brooks stopped commenting on PS Vita an AVGN reference in the wild 🧐
3 likes@The Tony Tony... No there is not. It's fooken barbaric :')
0 likesI would
0 likesAlso in 38°C mad respect
0 likesI have a theory: the lion hide they used for the suit was from one of the MGM lions when they died of old age
4 likesYea I was thinking about it.....I couldn't do it. I know I would be sitting there, sweating like crazy and the feeling of being weighed down and unable to fully open my mouth.....I would have a full on panic attack
0 likesok
0 likes@JOSHUA KANE Yes, because EVERYONE wore a 100 pound lion suit "back then".
1 like@Leonardo He was an actor.
1 like@JOSHUA KANE LOL Where on earth did you get an idea like that?
1 like@Maximized Animation No, it came from two lions brought down on a safari.
0 likes@Daywalker373 He could open his mouth; all you have to do with watch the movie to see just how wide he could open his mouth! lol As for "sweating like crazy," thousands of actors have done that.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 talking to my elders about their parents & research on safety restrictions & why they came about.
0 likes@Scätman The suit could be opened at the back and the actor (usually Haruo Nakajima) could get a breather that way-- and the occasional tea break.
0 likes@JOSHUA KANE And where did they get the idea?
0 likes@lil Dice thirst of clout? Wtf those were the 1930s. They were fighting for money to stay alive
0 likes@Rainkit Movies don't win Grammys, they win Oscars.
0 likes@Szczypior The Depression had ended some time before. Hollywood put out 365 movies in 1939; a pretty good indication that they had some money already.
0 likes@That’s one smug wojak No, they expected it to be work, just like all the other projects they worked on. And that's what it was.
0 likesYou've never been in the military I see lmao
0 likes100lb lion suit the whole day for a hypochondriac in a set above 40°C to have the scenes in color
0 likes@gustavo godoy 70 pound lion suit with frequent breaks during the eight-hour day when the costume was opened, including being removed for lunch breaks. 40 degrees is only a few degrees above freezing.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 40°C means 40° Celsius or 104° Fahrenheit
3 likes@gustavo godoy Fair enough. Well, that was simply how things were in those days; air conditioning was in its very earliest days and rather rudimentary. But Victor Fleming ordered frequent breaks so that the lights could be shut off, the doors opened, and everyone could have a breather.
0 likesActors were used to working under hot studio lights, but the lights required for Technicolor were brighter and therefore hotter. It was the same over on the "Gone With the Wind" set.
It was also over 100 degrees, I can’t even imagine
0 likes@Ronin Joe That's just how it was shooting a Technicolor movie. They just dealt with it; plus, Victor Fleming had the lights shut off and the doors opened at regular intervals so everyone could cool off and rest.
0 likes@The Tony as long as you make it clear that youre not a furry lol
0 likesDo you think he got gains from wearing that?
0 likes@T S im going into the military snd id rather do that than wear that suit in the heat
0 likes@The Tony in 100 degrees? No fucking way
0 likes@jillian c Bert Lahr had already achieved fame; that was why they wanted him for the role.
0 likes@Rainkit The Depression was over in 1933; things were good enough in 1939 that Hollywood was able to put out 365 movies, a record that has not been matched since.
0 likesThe filming day on "Wizard" was eight hours, like any work day, and there were frequent breaks so people could rest while the lights were shut off.
Movies win Oscars, records win Grammys. And black actors could go, they just couldn't use the same entrance. But Hattie McDaniel had to be there to accept her award.
@tripplefives We get it bro,you're a victim
0 likes🤣❤️
0 likes@ARCtrooperblueleader What's got you so amused?
0 likesA 100 pound suit in 100 degree heat
0 likes@lampini A 70 pound suit, which was quite enough. But other actors have been through worse things. At least they shut off the lights at regular intervals and Lahr got to open slats on his costume to cool off. Think of Anthony Daniels in the desert (can't shut that heat off) in a top-to-toe fiberglass suit.
0 likes*in 100 degree heat.
0 likesI guess you haven’t hear of the show Dinosaurs where they had to wear more than 200 lbs suits.
3 likes@L Haviland With frequent breaks to cool off.
0 likes200 lbs? I think i'd die. Fursuits are already ungodly hot
0 likes@The poodle player Those sorts of suits are built around a support frame and are usually equipped with internal fans.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 ah, i did not know this, thanks!
1 like@The poodle player You're welcome!
0 likeswhy are you everywhere
0 likes@SummeryMira it's several accounts
0 likes@SummeryMira Because that's where truth needs to be, in amongst all the rumors, misinformation, and lies. Somebody's gotta do it.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 o ok
1 likeIt's really torture...
0 likes@Chillin' the Feelin' Only in the sense that any uncomfortable situation may be described by the superlative "torture." Lots of people would describe their own jobs as "torture." But it isn't a case of their bosses deliberately putting them through discomfort.
1 like@Dzosua Milutonavic No, just an actor.
0 likes@Faux actually calculating temperature you treat it as being +5C when looking at the outside temp and wearing a frag vest. So if it’s 25C and your wearing a frag vest your experiencing 30C weather conditions. Also metric>imperial preemptively saying it.
0 likesYou know Judy Garland was also molested by Munchkins during filming
0 likes@NOOTella To answer that question, I give you the words of Judy's daughter Lorna Luft:
0 likes"That didn't happen. They would have never, ever risked their careers, their once chance to be in a film."
I remember being in a bunny suit for Easter because I was the Easter Bunny. It was very hot in that costume! Of course I only wore it for an hour. I can't imagine having to wear it for several hours a day like Bert Laur had done playing the Cowardly Lion!
0 likes@Melissa Cooper That's showbiz. People have worn heavier and much more uncomfortable costumes for movies and stage. And on "Wizard" they took frequent breaks during which slats were opened on the suit and Lahr could get his hands out; he was a "nervous type," as Ray Bolger once described him, and didn't like not being able to use his hands.
0 likes@Melissa Cooper I actually played the Cowardly Lion in a stage production of the MGM musical, and while my costume wasn't as heavy as Lahr's, I was always glad to stick my head out of the stage door during Intermission (we put the show on in February).
0 likesMahboi
0 likesYeah
0 likesGoku would.
0 likesHe was being paid $49,000 a week.
1 likeI swear bro we probably have the sam exact YouTube front page you're everywhere I am
0 likes@Ben He was paid $2500.00 a week.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 $2,500 is equivalent to $49,000 adjusted for inflation.
1 like@Ben To be sure, but it's better to stick to the bare facts, otherwise people may get confused.
0 likesHave you heard of the infantry?
0 likes@Ian Pitts ?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Infantrymen sign up for that kind of torture and more. Maybe not a lion suit but certainly more than 100 pounds.
0 likes@Ian Pitts Lahr's costume was 70 pounds, which was quite enough for him.
0 likesLiterally no matter where you go you get so many likes lol it makes me wonder what your like in person maybe you should start a podcast
0 likes@Dehydrated Oddish Especially with such an uninformed comment.
0 likesStrongmen would
0 likesgestures to plush fursuits observe
0 likesLet me introduce you to actors
1 like@Thilsik Tonix Sorry, what?
0 likes@Katie Exactly; in the first place, Lahr's suit was more like 70 pounds, which was quite enough, and comparable to Boris Karloff's Frankenstein Monster gear. Also, other actors have worn much heavier costumes in other films right up to the present day.
0 likesFirefighters
1 likeNo wonder everyone in the movie was miserable, forced to work while being abused
0 likes@MaskedMan66 wrong, it's literally suffocating the actor
0 likesBeing jobless in a country with little to no public service with culture of genrally not helping the poor at the time and loosing an opportunity to become a celebrity back when being one meant a lot isn't that good either, is it? I think what's even more tragic is that one can't say for sure if they wouldn't have done the same, nor that any of this could have been avoided back then
0 likes@The Tony Hercules only wore one lion skin; Bert Lahr's costume was made from two! Now, that's a man!
0 likes@Antoni Kudlicki Sorry, what?
0 likesHey, if there’s money on the line, people will do anything for it, especially in wearing lion pelts that weigh a lot.
0 likes@lil Dice True that.
0 likes@The Tony Eh true that as well
0 likes@Certified Intellectual: James Taboo You do what your job involves.
0 likesMargaret Hamilton, when not playing one of the scariest villains of your childhood, was an elementary school teacher. Take that however you will.
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I'm guess not one of her students ever missed an assignment.
124 likesShe also taught Sunday School. :-)
35 likesReading this makes me really sad
23 likes@Luca Why?
4 likesIt’s usually the bad guys who are the nice ones in reality & visa versa…
28 likes@James Green I don't know about vice versa, but I've met a lot of people who have played villains, and they've all been very nice people. A sample list is Dave Prowse, Jacqueline Pearce, and three portrayers of the Master from "Doctor Who," Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainley, and Eric Roberts.
34 likes@Melon Holmes smh When I said, "I don't know," I didn't mean I didn't know what he MEANT, I meant that I have no personal experience of meeting any rude people (and that's all you had to say) who had played heroes.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 I think she was an atheist.
1 likeI know. She actually appeared on an episode of Mr. Rogers back in the 70s where she explained that she was just an actress and not really a witch.
30 likes@HotWax93 I remember seeing that when it aired.
0 likes@HotWax93 Not in the 50's when she was teaching Sunday School.
0 likesOh
0 likesTeachers thoughts usually get thrown under the bus. Mostly because most Individuals don't like being told what to do.
5 likes@Oceiano Maybe nowadays, when chronic selfishness has become the norm, but even now, and certainly back when Miss Hamilton was teaching, people actually wanted to learn.
2 likes"I'll teach you my pretties. Ha ha ha ha ha ha."
6 likes@Xehanort10 You have to wonder if the kids begged her to do the voice and the laugh. :-)
1 like@MaskedMan66 I know right. Very often the people who play the villains are actually the nicest people in reality.
4 likes@ecoRfan Yup!
0 likesMost of the elementary school teachers I know could do the trick.
4 likesI just realized.... she had a stunt double.... so why was she personally having to deal with the pyrotechnics shots... isn't that kind of thing the literal reason for a stunt double?
1 like@Jennie Seiber Not in this case, because it wasn't meant to be a stunt.
1 likeThe way it had been arranged and rehearsed, Miss Hamilton was to have been lowered by an elevator under the stage, after which the flames were to go up.
The first take, it went perfectly. Then everyone broke for lunch. Afterwards, things started going wrong. On one take, she was lowered under the stage, then the flames failed to ignite. On whichever take the accident happened, the flames went up too soon, while Miss Hamilton was still "in transit," as it were.
@Jennie Seiber Or had she? Was the conception of stung doubles invented yet?
1 like@HotWax93 Don't forget that one infamous episode of Sesame Street that she appeared in. It's said that because there were so many kids frightened by her, the episode had been banned since then, never to air again. But it's like, was it really that bad?
1 like@ObviousTrollFrom2007 Considering that most of Sesame Street's audience is preschoolers, I would say so. And yes, I am familiar with the episode.
3 likesWomen were pretty much teachers, nurses or secretaries and that's really it. Well, other than housewife/homemaker, anyway.
1 likeIt's just strange thinking back to a time before we were born where STEM was not for women on any level. Be pretty but not too smart. They weren't less smart, they were just crazy overqualified for their professions.
Today's students no longer have truly gifted women because they go on to be researchers, doctors, engineers, etc.
@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal I don't understand your last sentence.
2 likesshe gave me nightmares lmao
0 likes@Michael Crockis Stunt doubles had been around since almost the beginning of movies; in fact, Margaret Hamilton's stunt double Betty Danko received her worst work-related injury on an earlier film where her left foot was almost bitten off by a mountain lion.
0 likesIronically she was probably the sweetest individual on set, maybe outside of a young and ambitious Judy Garland, although I'm sure Garland had so much pain hidden inside from not only her poor self image, but the torturous conditions she endured.
1 like@Hunter Bernard She didn't endure any "torturous conditions" apart from an uncomfortable corset she never complained about and the hot lights everybody had to deal with.
0 likes2019: Alabama man, 35, is charged with illegally owning an attack squirrel he fed meth and called Deez Nuts
1910 likes1939: Judy Garland legally fed meth by movie producers
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She was not "fed meth." She only worked for four hours a day and had natural energy.
5 likes@MaskedMan66 Can't tell if you're joking or not but you seriously need to do some research. Garland's methamphetamine addiction was well-documented.
175 likes@MaskedMan66 By the time filming concluded in 1939 Garland was already addicted to amphetamines and barbiturates (or "pep pills" as the film producers called em). She remained an addict into adulthood, or essentially the rest of her life.
93 likes@trevortornadoes122 No, not at that time, because she didn't take any while making "Wizard." She only worked for four hours a day on that film.
4 likesBarbiturates, by the way, are depressants, not "pep pills."
@MaskedMan66 I know what barbiturates are. Amphetamines are "pep pills".
61 likesI guess working only four hour days would make sense given the sheer amount of preparation behind the scenes, but that doesn't change the fact that the use of stimulants was encouraged by the producers. There are also reports that Garland's own mother introduced her to amphetamines at the age of 10.
@trevortornadoes122 Okay, in the first place, there was only one producer on "Wizard." He never recommended drugs for anybody. And when I said that Judy only worked for four hours, that didn't mean the rest of the cast and crew did; it was an eight-hour day, but Judy being a minor was only allowed to work half of that time. The rest was given to school with the on-set tutor and recreation, though I would guess that some of her recreation was sitting and watching the others at work.
3 likesEthel Gumm introduced Judy to those meds (you spoke of both as being "pep pills") when she was thirteen. But they were not a daily thing.
@MaskedMan66 "You spoke of both as being pep pills"
42 likesNot what I said, but okay.
It wasn't just the producer. Most of the crew encouraged the use of stimulants. Would you like me to provide sources?
@trevortornadoes122 You did. "Garland was already addicted to amphetamines and barbiturates (or "pep pills" as the film producers called em)."
2 likesLet's see your "sources." See of you can find confirmation of that notion from John Fricke.
@UChX06ZCNEiPKdEJjDE9SrVA Not knowing you from Adam, I don't see how.
1 likeAll of those articles regurgitate the misconception/lie that Judy was required to use meds while working on "Wizard."
The Biography one was the worst. "Garland would endure excruciatingly long work hours." BS! She only worked for four hours a day, because she was a minor, and California child labor laws were very clear on that matter.
Judy's weight loss (which was really an attempt to lessen her mature curves) was brought about by a reduced food intake diet (which did include solid food) and exercise. Her stunt double Bobbie Koshay had been on the 1928 Olympic Swim team, and she took Judy on swimming excursions and hikes, as well as playing tennis and badminton with her. Judy was also not required to smoke, a practice she was against in her teens.
What people always get confused about is the time frame of when Judy's problems really started. When she made "Wizard," she was not yet a top-level star at MGM; in the first place, she'd only been there for three years. Mervyn LeRoy, the producer, was taking a gamble by putting her in the lead, but he knew she had the talent to do the role justice, and he would consider no-one else. "Wizard" was what made her a box office sensation, and it was after that that the studio decided they had to get her in front of the public as often as possible. That was when the overwork started, especially once she was old enough to where the child labor laws no longer applied.
For the real story, you need to read these books: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. The first two you'll probably need to hunt up, but the third is still in bookstores.
@MaskedMan66 You're right. Hollywood has always been a beautiful place and there has never been any mistreatment of actors and never been any scandals.
42 likes@trevortornadoes122 Nice strawman
9 likes@Anon Would you rather read books written by so-called "Hollywood historians" whose entire careers revolve around trying to cover Hollywood's ass?
30 likes@trevortornadoes122 I'm just here to point out your fallacy. As much as I'd have preferred to agree with you throughout this thread, you had yet to source any valid argument and then ended up building and attacking a strawman.
16 likesI suppose I'd rather read than be wrong, yes. Ideally using a number of sources.
@Anon Want to talk about a fallacy? First of all I never attacked anyone, you're putting words in my mouth.
11 likesSecondly, if five sources isn't enough than what is in your humble opinion?
@trevortornadoes122 You're being really weirdly defensive right now. "Attacking a strawman" is just a turn of phrase, used to signal that you're no longer tackling the actual arguments at hand, but your own false construction thereof. I would, in fact, prefer to agree with you.
12 likes@Anon Had a feeling you'd make some wise-ass comment about me being defensive. How predictable.
16 likesDon't mind me asking what "my own false construction" of the argument that Judy Garland was encouraged to take meth by the studio is. I've cited five different sources to prove this and along with EmpLemon's video, also proves a larger point that Hollywood is a shady place and always has been regardless of what "Hollywood historians" tell you. Everything is valid.
Obviously you're not going to agree with me, but that's your free will.
@trevortornadoes122 I never said that. Calm down.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I was talking to the other guy.
10 likes@trevortornadoes122 Not when you said, "You're right. Hollywood has always been a beautiful place and there has never been any mistreatment of actors and never been any scandalsYou're right. Hollywood has always been a beautiful place and there has never been any mistreatment of actors and never been any scandals." That was addressed to me.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 Okay I'll give you that one. Surely I can imagine you've been in more intense flame wars than this one though!
5 likes@trevortornadoes122 You might say that, yup. :-)
0 likes@That’s one smug wojak smh She was abused NEITHER verbally NOR physically. She wasn't abused at all. The Singer Midgets were just people, not animals. Conditions were no different than on any other motion picture; it was hard work, but that's all it was. Nobody deliberately maltreated them
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Is it ever clarified in those examples when she felt her addiction started...?
8 likes@MaskedMan66
18 likesIsn’t calling a child fat and ugly when you have a major power imbalance above then a bit abusive...?
... and while I haven’t found a source that says exactly where the pills came from, I did find many that said the studio encouraged them for her thin physique.
Which I’m pretty sure pressuring a child into taking drugs, even if it’s not where here addiction started is still fucked...
@Plagued Frost No addict believes himself to be an addict. I'm sure she had to have someone point it out to her.
0 likesNobody on "Wizard" called Judy fat or ugly.
For what little it's worth, 13 year-old Frances Gumm was not "pressured" by her mother to use either amphetamines or barbiturates. Having no frame of reference as a child, she didn't know she was getting into something that would affect her life.
@MaskedMan66
17 likesI disagree with you first statement heavily. Every addict had moments of clarity, and if the drugs have fucked you up enough, you can admit to yourself and others that you are addicted.
Just because you admit you’re an addict doesn’t mean you’ll stop. There are plenty of addicts that can point to where and when they got addicted and for what reason, that doesn’t mean they’ll stop. But to suggest every addict is either too deluded or stupid to come to terms with their addiction, shows ignorance when it comes to the topic of addiction.
Second, I know you cited your sources, which I commend you for doing. But every article or video I watch/read says something about people either insulting Glenn (pig/ugly/fat) or them encouraging/administering her amphetamines; So how do we know your sources aren’t faulty, or that every source is a mixture of truth and misconception; The only one that know how Glenn got addicted was herself, and that’s why i wanted her testimony.
Third, letting any kid (Frances Gumm) for this example take unprescribed medicine, is either considered neglect or abuse, pick your poison it’s still fucked even if they did it all on there own.
@Plagued Frost Not from anything I've heard; how many alcoholics have insisted, "I don't have a problem?" I didn't say they were either deluded or stupid; don't put words in my mouth. It's simply an observed phenomenon.
0 likesWho is Glenn?
The medicine was prescribed.
@MaskedMan66
6 likesFair, sorry about the insinuation; also, I meant to type Garfield. My bad... ;)
@Plagued Frost Spoken like a grownup; thank you. Now, who's Garfield? I feel like I've missed something.
1 like@MaskedMan66
6 likesSorry, I was dying, JUDY GARLAND, the woman that played Dorothy... (not yelling in anger but in exhaustion...)
@Plagued Frost Fair enough; I just wanted to be sure I wasn't going mad. Let me guess: wonderful modern technology?
1 like@MaskedMan66 Tokens to you my man for keeping your debate civil. Not many people are capable of that on this platform anymore
6 likes@Shane Aykroid Thank you. :-)
1 like@MaskedMan66 for sure
1 like@trevortornadoes122 She was given Benzedrine which is amphetamine. Not meth
2 likes@D And she wasn't given it for any reason while this movie was being made. If she took any meds at all, it was at home.
0 likes@trevortornadoes122 yeah it seems like you deleted those five so…
1 like@MaskedMan66 hey I checked his sources and a lot of others but a lot of signs and some of the production crew admitted that the use of drugs was heavilly emphasised as they said it would help her work better and more efficiently without break
6 likes@the VINDICATOR Whose sources? Which members of the production crew? What were their names and jobs? How did they avoid getting interviewed by Aljean Harmetz when she was compiling on set memories from 48 actors and behind-the-scenes people for her 1977 book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz?"
0 likesHere's the truth, as related by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman in their book "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece": Victor Fleming ordered regular breaks throughout the day because everybody needed to rest from the blazing hot lights. Judy only worked for four hours each filming day.
@MaskedMan66 sound crew and film crew admitted this as well as Judy herself I'll link some stuff later cause I got work in the morning
6 likes@the VINDICATOR I'll be here, ready to debunk it.
0 likesKEEP ARGUING I WANT A NEW ARAMARU/DAVE MATTHEW FIGHT
5 likes@DOC O.G. Lol I don't think a relatively civil discussion about Judy Garland's drug addiction is anywhere close to as trivial as a year-long flamewar about the best final boss song in the Paper Mario series.
11 likes@Kirk Bupkis you’re right man, their were many factors to that led legendary shit fest. Hopefully there’s another thread like that underway that people don’t know about
5 likes@trevortornadoes122 trust me this guy is not joking.
3 likesThere comes a point where a troll becomes a troglodyte.
@MaskedMan66 nice try epstein
5 likes@redeyesinc You're the one who won't let go of the false notion of a child being victimized.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I am interested in your opinion; if there was no intentional drug feeding or encouragement, why are there so many articles repeating it? Could you give a theory?
4 likes@Lando 530 I think the reason why people talk about it is that they conflate Judy's later life and career with her early life and career. Judy was not a bonafide star until after "Wizard" was released. It was then that MGM wanted to get her in front of the public as often and as quickly as possible.
0 likesThat, of course, was when the overwork began, aided by amphetamines to keep her energy levels up and barbiturates to relax her. But none of that was anything to do with "Wizard"; Judy only worked for four hours a day on that project, and she had tons of natural energy. Did you know that she could swim a mile? Truth!
(Her being a "star of lesser magnitude," so to speak, was one of the reasons that the MGM suits wanted Mervyn LeRoy to get someone else for the role of Dorothy. He was taking a gamble, and obviously it paid off. But not before the project became known as "LeRoy's Folly" before it was even completed.)
@James Green then there is that Finnish soldier who took 30 of those pills and survived...and died at the age of 75
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Temple OS
0 likes@Vic IV What?
1 like1883: Indonesian volcano earrapes local inhabitants.
2 likes@Overlandlord "Earrapes???"
0 likes@MaskedMan66 krakatoa produced the loudest sound in human history.
1 like@Overlandlord So I've been told. I was just ribbing you about the way you spelled "erupted." No offense, I hope. 😃
0 likes@MR. CLAW! She wasn't talking about "Wizard." California child labor laws were very clear, and the filming day, like most work days, was eight hours long, and she was only allowed to work half of that. At least two hours were given to sessions with the lady who acted as studio tutor (Judy was in school, you see), and the rest was free time.
0 likesNot all amphetamines are meth just FYI
4 likes@Helladamnleet Thank you.
1 like@Helladamnleet Besides which, Judy needed no medicinal "help" while making Wizard since she only worked for four hours a day.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I thought it was documented that she worked like 16 hour days
0 likes@Nicole G Nope. Nobody did. People gotta sleep.
0 likes@James Green no wonder why the blitzkreigs were so fast
0 likes@MaskedMan66 yes people are taken advantage of in this sad excuse of a movie
0 likesIt was a different time then, back when meth and cocaine were actually legal.
0 likesThat and because I think it’s no laughing matter due mostly to how much of a personal hell she had to undergo, I feel so sorry for her.
@trevortornadoes122 Which is yet more as to why I feel so sorry for her, the poor angel.
0 likesI love how at 19:45, he starts playing a version of “Any Color You Like” from Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon,” an album which was rumored to be perfectly synced as a secondary soundtrack to the Wizard of Oz. I also love that he put a rainbow over a triangle shaped object, a nice little nod to the album’s cover art. Good stuff!
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The "triangle shaped object" is a prism; if light is refracted through a prism, you get a rainbow.
14 likesI noticed that easter egg in the video too! Glad I'm not the only one to notice it
6 likes@MaskedMan66 the "triangle shaped object" is a pyramid lol
7 likes@magic It's a prism; dig the refracted light.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 they were referring to the triangle shaped object at 19:45
4 likes@magic Fair enough; I figured y'all were talking about the cover of "Dark Side of the Moon." I'll confess I didn't take note of the time stamp.
5 likesAlso the title of the video is "The Wizard of Oz and the Dark Side of Hollywood," I'm sure that was intentional.
6 likes@Ryan McDonnell Not that there's any real connection. Among the people involved in the making of it, if peripherally, Arthur Freed blotted his copybook in a big way two years later by flashing Shirley Temple. But apart from that, the folks before and behind the cameras in that movie were generally pretty straight-up people.
2 likesThat whole ending gave me chills. It’s what makes this video one of Emplemon’s best non-YTP videos imo
4 likesWhen I initially watched this video (when it came out) I had not heard of "Dark side or rainbow", but after watching it this second time, I was looking out for a reference, and I was happy to hear the song. (After watching the movie synced with the album. (In it's entirety on youtube by the way.))
4 likesI enjoyed that reference, but he also lost me in trying to justify the "glorious work."
0 likesAlso, in a similar vein, Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 is apparently synced up with Dark Side Of The Moon. Also, Paul Blart 1 is apparently synced up with The Wall too.
1 like@Neyoid I've found that pretty much any piece of music syncs up with any film or T.V. footage if you catch it right. :-)
0 likesas a fan of judy garland i knew about 95% of this already but seeing it all put together and edited by you really puts into perspective how catastrophic this production really was
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LOL It wasn't catastrophic. There were accidents, yes, but they were few and far between, and everyone involved got through them intact. It was just a very involved and complex movie to make, but so was "Gone With the Wind," which had more problems than "Wizard." But the cast and crew of "Wizard" were a solid team, and got the job done. This video is sensationalst and regurgitates a lot of rumor and lies. The real story is to be found in the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 bro it says you have over 200 comments on this video get help
26 likes@officialquakeroats You stalking me, "bro?"
0 likes@MaskedMan66 it’s not stalking, tapping ur pfp says “292 comments on this channel”, it’s just a feature on mobile YouTube.
19 likesLook, I get what you’re saying and don’t disagree with you, this video is very sensationalized and I don’t agree w a lot of it, but almost 300 comments on a single video genuinely makes you seem like you have an agenda behind correcting misinfo out of a passion for cinema history,
@Moon Fish It's still being nosy. My only "agenda" is getting the truth out. I can't help that 300 people need help in that regard.
0 likesOh
1 like@Emma Hollow ?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Do you seriously not realize how insane you look to everyone else seeing your comments?
8 likes@Hassan Saeed Given some of the responses I've had, people are glad to know the truth; they frankly wonder about the people who have accepted the tall tales of drug abuse, suicide, and all the rest of it.
0 likesHere's the thing: while I'm not comparing myself to the man, I am comparing my situation to Galileo's; even though I'm relating the truth, as set down by historians, there are people who don't want to know, so they make the whole issue about me and ignore the facts, preferring the ridiculous rumors.
@MaskedMan66 you've commented hundreds of times on this video. Don't you have anything better to do? Seems like someone needs to go outside!
2 likes@Joseph Davies So what's your take on this movie?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 on the movie? I'm not super knowledgeable on the movie's production but I do agree that YouTubers do like to exaggerate their videos for the sake of content but I can't judge this video because I don't know enough about the movie.
2 likes@Joseph Davies I can recommend you some books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@Joseph Davies No need to bother, this guy has been furiously commenting for months. it's insane and sad
6 likes@MaskedMan66 you are under every comment here. I have to assume you personally are a descendant of one of the makers of this movie or are paid by MGM.
1 like@BTS: Behind The Screen MGM hasn't existed for years, and as an adoptee I have no idea as regards ancestry. I'm just here giving the right info, and the sources where you can find it.
0 likes@BTS: Behind The Screen Y'see: this isn't about me. ;-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I don't believe you.
0 likes@BTS: Behind The Screen That doesn't matter; I'm telling the truth. Read these books for the inside scoop: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I don't believe you.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 we don't believe you
0 likesDont forget that in one take Judy wouldn't stop giggling and ruining the take, this made the director get up from his chair and slapped her hard to make her stop and continued rolling
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So not only mental abuse, feeding her drugs, lots of bullying by her co-actors, but also some of that nice physical abuse from the director?
875 likesNice.
Bruh
74 likes@Jeremy Going back to the classics
91 likesHe was probably mad because film is expensive so you only get so many takes.
22 likes@cookieface80 Are you attempting to justify a grown man physically assaulting a young girl because she was laughing?
608 likes@tripplefives BAD parenting
194 likes@Opal
168 likesBad is an understatement
Ahhh the good old days .
11 likes@Opal NO its not bad parenting its called growing them up the ancients knew that.
4 likes@Thefatbob37 The ancients also thought you could cure sickness by drilling holes in people’s heads to let the evil spirits out...
183 likesJust cause something is old it doesn’t mean it’s somehow justified my dude. “Don’t hit your kids” doesn’t seem like too controversial a take
@Thefatbob37 if we did everything the ancients did you’d have been victim of a human sacrifice by now
101 likes@Thefatbob37 nah, all you're doing is making your children afraid of you when they're kids, hate you when they're teens, and then never want to see you again when they're adults.
116 likesjesus christ now im even sadder
11 likes@Opal False with my personal experience Ive seen people who have grown stronger and have gotten closer with there parents, but all humans are different so it depends.
10 likes@Chriss C Lets goooo praise the gods
3 likes@Slightly Himbo Who said I was talking about that. jeeze you people attack like a hive
3 likesanger the reply section any %
6 likes@Opal that’s if you abuse them but discipline isn’t abuse. Hitting a kid is a good way to teach them that thing they are doing is bad. When my dad hits me when I do something wrong I don’t fear him I fear the consequence of doing that thing.
9 likes@Mayonnaise Guggler if your parents use hitting as an easy solution to every minor issue you do begin to fear them because you never know if anything you do will trigger them.
47 likesHittong is still a dumb method used by incompetent parents.
@Antonio Klaic my parents wouldn't do that for every minor thing however
3 likes@CT S mine did. I ended up avoiding being in the sme room as my father whenever possible.
24 likes@cookieface80 No, human rights laws in the workplace were just a fucking mess back then.
7 likesThey still are now arguably, but nowhere near what it was like in the 1930s or some shit.
And people thought Shelley Duval had it bad.
1 likeStanley Kubrick reading this baby comment- “Lol wack”
5 likes@radexyz no. They're not. Beating your kids is not the only way to discipline them, and it's abuse every time. Does it work in a few cases? Yeah sure. Does it make traumatic experiences and cause depression for MANY more others? Also yes.
18 likes@radexyz It's not your fault, radexyz. It's not your fault.
1 like@radexyz definition of abuse:
14 likestreat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
hitting your kids, with a reason or not, is still abuse. If the kid ends up on doctor Phil, it's not cuz you didn't hit them, it's cuz you weren't a good parent for them.
Well, to make this a bit less tragic, from what I know after he slapped her, the director felt absolutely horrified at what he did and talked to a crew member to punch him for it. So at least he knew that what he did was very bad but this still doesn't justify it.
4 likes@radexyz first, learn to use ponctuation, your replies hurt to read.
4 likesSecond, you haven't said any new points, you've just repeated yourself.
Third, it is still abuse. I guess it can be called disciplining, but it's still a bad way to discipline, and it's still abuse.
It says treating someone with cruelty OR violence. Emphasis on the OR, it's still violence (and cruel btw) and it's still horrible.
@radexyz I'm not gonna argue with someone who says "ducking" LMAOOO ACTUAL 11 YEAR OLD PFFFFF
7 likes@radexyz I've made my points, you've made yours, we're obviously not gonna change our minds, so we can agree to disagree, just hope you never become a parent 👍
6 likes@tripplefives not her parents tho
3 likesTo the people whoever and whatever creature and whatever anthill you crawled out from today defending a child that is not there parent get slapped because of a mis hap and because they put her on drugs. Let me tell you this is calling a child a "fat little pig" a good way for a child to lose weight. Is it good discipline to wreck a childs self esteem and self image worth it
3 likesWtf is this comment section, why are people saying that hitting your kids is good, that fucking bad parenting
11 likes@radexyz bro even if the disrespect thing was true, hitting your kid means using violence against someone half your size that you know is not going to defend themselves because you're their parent. how the hell does that sound like good parenting
9 likes@Derryl Hopkins trying to explain isn't justifying, lol.
1 like@Michal Milanowski that actually does make me feel a little better about this whole thing, thank you...
1 like@tripplefives no it isn’t lmaoooo
1 like@Thefatbob37 lmao ok
1 like@Mayonnaise Guggler hahahaha you don’t need to hit a child
1 like@Derryl Hopkins sounds like she wasn't hit just for laughing, rather for being unprofessional and wasting film and other people's time. Leniency only stretches so far.
0 likesQuite the time
0 likes@ocarinaplaya eh I even I think it’s a bit too far he isn’t her father and all she did was laugh, yea it may have wasted some people time but that’s like I don’t know maybe a minute at max.
0 likes@Antonio Klaiclook when did I say you hitting is the only option. Just when’s did I say that maybe you can point it out to me. You can talk with your kid but you don’t let your kid walk over you that’s just going to raise a brat.
0 likes@Opal who said the only dude you can use other ways like taking away their things or ground them but that’s also considered abuse now. Hitting your kid isn’t bad unless it isn’t to hard and you use it for a appropriate situation
0 likesWhaaaaat? Holy shit!!
0 likes@Mayonnaise Guggler taking their things or grounding them is not abuse. It is not cruel and it is not violent. And it's the good way to discipline someone.
6 likes@Antonio Klaic hitting*
0 likes@Jeremy Jesus fucking Christ.
0 likes@Thefatbob37 exactly, I mean I understand the idea of being against children abuse, but I also know that discipline is necessary, hitting a child slightly, like the old smacking the plam of the hand with a stick, is not bad, it hurts for a minute or some, doesn't hurt that much, and is effectively as a punishment, the optimal way is to simply talk first, tell them it's wrong, if they don't listen, a little discipline is necessary, cause if they don't get why it's wrong YET because they are young, theb being afraid of punishment for doing said thing at the main time would keep them away from it, and when they grow old enough to understand why it's bad, then they wouldn't need to be disciplined
1 like@Slightly Himbo technically that does work for brain swelling.
0 likes@Antonio Klaic well, that's the thing, your parents were taking it to the extreme, your parents were abusive, and I am sorry for you, but open up a little and listen, it's not that hitting is the only way because the parent is lazy, it's more like, kids don't understand logic, treating them like adults that would understand right and wrong is stupid, kids wouldn't be able to understand why fire is bad unless they get brunt by it, kids wouldn't understand why they shouldn't play on street unless you scare them of getting turned into a peniata by a car, a little discipline that's isn't too hurtful, and doesn't leave any lasty scars is good for teaching kids
0 likes@Raúl Pérez are talking about WWE or some street fight shit, red is talking about a little slap on the face when child did something wrong and isn't listening as to why what they did is wrong, the (because you know they aren't going to defend themselves because you're their parent) point is stupid, it's like saying "I lost my company a few thousand dollars, and now my boss is shouting at me and wants to fire me, because he knows that he is my boss and I can't defend myself against them"
0 likes@Opal Yep you are 100% correct. Evidence also show corporal punishment is correlated with many negatives outcomes in children
6 likes@Raúl Pérez BINGO, it's cowardly to hit a child for the same reason it is cowardly for a man to hit a woman. When you have the size advantage, you shouldn't abuse it.
3 likes@ً Would a spray bottle achieve the same effect?
2 likes@Derryl Hopkins This was the era where blacks and whites had separate restrooms. You really think they'd be so morally upstanding to not resort to physically abusing women, too?
0 likes@Playgamerbox745 :3 ikr
0 likes@radexyz ya mean the transphobe?
0 likes@radexyz Corporal punishment might work in the short term, but the overwhelming body of evidence points to negative outcomes in the long run. I think that is because corporal punishment is often done out of anger and frustration, and therefore is rarely measured or restrained. Whatever the reason, corporal punishment seems to be a net negative. If the evidence showed otherwise, then I would be an advocate of it.
4 likes@ً that’s what I meant I still think the bullying was wrong but we should not be sensitive
0 likes@Thefatbob37 I mean, if you are talking about this specific instance, then I don't agree with you, I was arguing the point of beating kids, not the director slapping judy, not because she is a girl, but because you shouldn't slap an employee, or someone at your disposal, they are working for you, you aren't their parent or something, especially a 17 year old that you have duped with drugs
1 like@radexyz Physical abuse is physical abuse and games the child
1 like@Edd I don't think so, we aren't talking about a cat here, a kid wouldn't be too bothered by a little bit of water sprayed on them, and some would like it, resorting to doing more bad things or the same thing again to be sprayed again, now to the point of how to dail it down(the punishment), you could use the a vary small ruler(the plastic ones, the metal ones hurt like knifes, and the rubbers sting alot and much more painful), or a small tree branch like the same length of the ruler and make sure to carve it a little to remove any pointy sides.
0 likesNow for other ways of punishment, there are downsides, like grounding would get a bit repetitive and they would get used to it, not caring anymore and simply finding ways to pass the time, and it could hurt a lot more than a simple smack on the hand sometimes because it could cause them to miss on an outing with a friend, or an event, taking their games isn't preferable for me, because it most of the time isn't related to what they did, which might make them feel it's unfair, maybe lowering playing time and raising it when they do something good on their on?
@Edd of course, it shouldn't be done on the long run, you should probably resort to more talking and negotiating the older they get, and less punishment like any type of beating or grounding or the such, the older they get and the more reasonable they get, the more it's preferable to Increase their independence and making sure they reevaluate themselves when they do something wrong, instead of simply stopping because it's wrong, and of course physical punishment is not always the best way for all kids, humans are complicated and you should always know your child well before finding a way to educate them, in the end you're trying to grow a human being, a person, you shouldn't be too harsh and break them or make them have lasting issues in their lives, but you shouldn't let them become too entitled and self-important, it would hurt them more Than it would hurt others
0 likes@ً fried egg
0 likesHere we go again...
1 likeHere's the full story and a bit more:
https://ozmuseum.com/blogs/news/judy-and-her-dear-cowardly-lion
@Thefatbob37 I know you weren’t talking about that lmao 😂
2 likesMy point is that just because the ancients do something it doesn’t mean that thing is necessarily good, which is the original point made
@Slightly Himbo fried egg
0 likes@cookieface80 Come out back, I'll tell you about the rabbits
0 likes@radexyz I would say it's always bad to get abused as a kid, but after reading your comments I now understand your point.
0 likes@Thefatbob37 fried egg?
1 likeHow dare he?!
1 like@Derryl Hopkins I'm not saying he was right for doing it.
0 likes@Jeremy oh it gets worse. Recently found out that Judy garland had like a shit ton of affairs and had a lot of abortions in the early 1940s
0 likes@ً fried egg
0 likes@ً ok gives
0 likeshmmmmm
0 likesk i n k y
@radexyz if you have to result to hitting someone smaller and weaker then you who's unable tonight back and looks up to you as you are their protector...then you're a shit adult and have failed as a parent, if you can't control your children like an adult don't resort to hitting them like a child would to another child when they get upset. The reason most parents don't hit kids anymore is because they realized it doesn't work and is a horrible practice.
1 like@Opal bruh every kid will disrespect their parent at some point. Ig everyone has failed as a parent
0 likes@Jeremiah Fyan ???? No, you've failed at a parent if you hit them
1 like@Opal "if your kids disrespect you, then you were just a bad parent too". You said it yourself fam
0 likes@Diverting Tales Not every director back then was like that..
0 likesShe probably liked it
1 like@LilBratsWurst bruh wtf
0 likesTo be fair. He felt terrible and did apologize to her profusely.
2 likes@radexyz This is exactly how the cycle of abuse is perpetuated. Beating a child is not the way to teach them. Children are children and don't know any better when they're doing something wrong. If your first instinct is to beat your child for doing something wrong instead of accually teaching them means that you are not ready to be a parent and you shouldn't take your incompetence out on a child by beating them.
1 like@radexyz people all over the world do it? Do have any source? Are there any studies that prove your point? Please...
0 likes@Its Gonna Be Okay fried egg
0 likes@Jeremy Wrong on all counts. No mental abuse, no drugs (she only worked for four hours a day), no bullying (her co-stars loved her), and a slap is not "physical abuse," it's a classic method for shaking someone out of hysterics.
0 likes@cookieface80 He wasn't mad, but they were up against the clock; the studio was going to close for the night soon. It was a desperation move and he regretted it.
0 likesYou have a source?
0 likes@Momo Does who have a source, and for what?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 source for OP's original comment
0 likes@Momo It's well-documented, though he didn't slap her "hard," as the OP claims. Here's the whole story and more besides:
1 likehttps://ozmuseum.com/blogs/news/judy-and-her-dear-cowardly-lion
@MaskedMan66 wow ok thx!!
1 like@Opal Corporal punishment has long since proven effective as a deterant to bad behavior. It's the parents who refuse to whup their young 'uns who end up raising self-centered brats.
0 likes@Momo You're welcome!
1 like@Kevin was that directed towards me? Lol
0 likesActors are so weak 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likes@Emma Hollow someones jealous
0 likes@Emma Hollow Not in the Golden Age, they weren't!
0 likes@Michal Milanowski It's an old method of bringing a person out of hysteria.
0 likes@Shane Coffing Judy wasn't on meth or opioids when making "Wizard."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 actually we know for sure all the actors has gone through a lot of trauma working on this film
0 likes@Derryl Hopkins nigga that’s a whole new sentence you came up with
0 likesOh my god, that poor woman.
0 likesI can't believe that such an iconic movie has such a dark backstory, the actors spent so much in pure misery, and poor Judy Garland was both abused and ridiculed by everyone. However could I look at this movie the same way knowing in the back of my mind that the actors had a hard time doing the movie.
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong. It wasn't "dark," just difficult, like any movie. Actors are tough (or at least they were back then), and the ones in this movie could have told you about the real misery of vaudeville and just trying to make it in the biz. Judy was neither abused nor ridiculed by anyone involved in the making of "Wizard"; cast and crew alike were all impressed by her for her talent and sharp wit; bottom line, she was impossible not to like. And of course they had a hard time making the movie-- any actors on any movie did, and most still do.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 It was bad conditions. Was it ok for her to eat so little? Was it ok for someone to wear a 100 pound costume? Was it ok to be blown up and be set on fire?
16 likes@GMDrandom 628 Judy ate enough to keep body and soul together; she was not starved.
1 likeBert Lahr's Lion suit weighed 70 pounds, which was quite enough for him, thank you. Actors have worn much heavier costumes than that, and still do.
Nobody intended to blow anybody up or set them on fire-- with the obvious exception of when the WWW sets the Scarecrow's arm alight, and that went without a hitch. Accidents happen; welcome to the world.
@MaskedMan66 I've seen you make a lot of replies and refuting claims to people on this video and I'm curious about the sources of your information.
14 likes@Jack Finster I'm happy to oblige. The three main authoritative books on the subject are “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
2 likesOther books which contain useful bits of information include "The Oz Scrapbook" (1977) by David L. Greene and Dick Martin, and "The World of Oz" (1985) by Allen Eyles.
I hope that proves useful to you. :-)
@Jack Finster bro just ignore him.
1 like@-–——·≈·[The Patriot]·≈·——–- You would prefer he only pay attention to the BS by people on YT who themselves got their info from fifth-hand online sources, as opposed to first- and second-hand sources?
1 likeIts cool. None of what they went through was your fault. At least you and others can look back and try to be better.
1 like@Jose Sosa I don't think the OP was blaming himself/herself.
1 like@MaskedMan66 I'm pretty those where selling a narritive of "It was as wonderful behind the camera as it was in front of it"
1 like@CMG The Person I only have your word that you're pretty, and that's really nothing to do with anything. And behind the cameras was just as hot as in front, because everybody was under the same crushingly hot lights.
1 like@Giles O I'm sorry you have a problem with the truth.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 700+ comments on a single video holy shit how invested are you in this, imagine spending that much time arguing with people about the same shit
2 likes@MaskedMan66 they meant "I'm pretty sure" come on now you're not that dumb
0 likes@Lucid Starlight I don't argue, I just deliver the facts. And people keep bringing up the same stuff, so complain to them. Better yet, since this seems to cause you so much anxiety, how about you ignore it from now on-- unless of course you want to know the real story.
1 likesmh Have you a sense of humor? Of course that's what was meant; I was just having a go at the absence of the word "sure." It's called a joke, Muad'Dib.
@MaskedMan66 no anxiety caused over here man, just shocking how many comments you have. Eh kinda of a lame joke really:/
1 like@MaskedMan66 you always talk nonsense you never managed to convince anyone, prove me wrong
3 likes@Lucid Starlight And that answers my question in the negative.
0 likes@Jack Finster Ignore him, he's a blind Hollywood fanboy who will always defend that horrible corporation no matter what mistakes Hollyweirdos make
1 likeJudy Garlands story is heartbreaking, which displays Hollywood never changed.. what’s accepted did, the heinous crimes committed became the norm.
255 likesSo sad.
Reminds me of what Dave Chappelle stated about how the media will spin stories to protect those big wigs in Hollywood.
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That's as may be, but Judy's problems-- her real, life-shattering problems-- started after "Wizard."
0 likesAll that abuse just to make a movie, what a waste of time
0 likesThe child actress whom Judy Garland cited as an influence, Baby Peggy, also bore the brunt of Hollywood's dark and seedy side. Reading her memoirs about how her parents especially her dad turned her into a cross between a wind-up doll and a golden goose and how she witnessed and experienced abuse on set was a harrowing tale in itself.
33 likesFrom YTPs to full fledged documentaries, I can't help but think that Emp is something of a genius. Every upload is a nice treat that keeps me going.
105 likesEmpLemon is building his own yellow brick road; every new video he lays down is gold.
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agreed
13 likesSwung for favorited comment and missed
2 likesThat comment is gold.
8 likesfacts
0 likes500 likes!
0 likesEmpLemon's road is going to be green instead of gold
9 likesYeah,bit which Wizard of Oz was he talking about?I heard of one where a girl and a dog Toto,or another version,where a man fell somewhere into a colourful land and was helped by a woman,but he became a wizard and she became the witch
0 likes@Nik Oz the Great and Powerful is a prequel. If you somehow haven't seen this movie and didn't know which book it was based on then I can see why you might be confused. Disney made a movie of OtGaP in the mid 2010s. That movie is not worth revisiting.
3 likesBoom
0 likesAnd that’s a fact
0 likesCut off
0 likes@SuperSnackBros OtGaP isn't a prequel to the MGM movie, though it has some visual commonalities with it. The MGM version of Oz was nothing but a dream, while in OtGaP, it's real. It's been rumored for a long time now that they will be doing a sequel which will be their own version of "Wonderful Wizard."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 interesting theory but wrong
0 likes@Nik The second movie you're talking about is called Oz, the Great and Powerful.
0 likesMargaret Hamilton
28 likesAlmost getting burned alive, had her skin almost permanently green, and was put in a hospital for days, and still put on a stellar performance.
WHAT A BEAST!
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She got second degree burns on her face and third degree burns on her right hand; the rest of her was okay. Her skin bore traces of green for a just few weeks; in later years, she liked talking about having to assure people that she wasn't feeling ill. 🙂 Also, she recovered at home, not in a hospital. The studio doctor had already administered treatment on the set, and her personal physician looked after her from then onward. But yes, Miss Hamilton was a tough lady, one of the real troupers.
3 likesThe fact is that she loved playing the Wicked Witch because it was so different from the roles she usually played, of which Miss Gulch was an example. After the movie, she reprised the role on stage and on T.V. many times.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 wrong
1 likeIt's amazing how most these actors lived long lives with Margaret Hamilton and Ray Bolger living until the 1980s.
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How so "amazing?"
0 likes@MaskedMan66 If you just watch the video you wont keep disagreeing with everyone
23 likes@Carl Jackson For the third time, agreement and disagreement don't enter into the equation. Truth is truth, and misinformation is misinformation.
2 likesBuddy Ebsen, the actor who had the bad reaction to the aluminum paint, died in 2003 at the age of 95.
13 likes@Knight Wing His reaction was to the aluminum powder dusted over his greasepaint; it was Jack Haley who wore the reformulated aluminum paste. But otherwise you're correct. :-)
4 likesFun Fact: Several years after the movie, Ebsen appeared in a stage version of "The Wizard of Oz"-- as the Scarecrow!
@MaskedMan66 you disagree because you're a troll and you haven't convince any of us, also don't run away from me you haven't won the arguement
0 likesThis video makes me so grateful that Macaulay Culkin is doing really well these days. He seems like he and his wife have been able to keep a relatively low profile in the popular media and raise their kid and being able to see him joking along with Red Letter Media makes me really happy. I’m really glad he seems to be recovering
26 likesYou're research, thesis and analysis are phenomenal. The parallel of the Egyptian volunteers was thought provoking and tied together the idea of art being a higher human calling was not what I expected. It was infinitely better.
12 likesI must admit I just came across your channel when Talladega was recommended and, again, your analysis and interwoven stories taught me a hell of a lot. Thank you.
It was your grammar while speaking on NASCAR that got me. You had me at "fewer", but "dubious" was a close second. I most certainly did not think I was going to learn Native American history. I took a year of that and read "A People's History..." and didn't learn that the Seminole people were a disparate group.
Thank you.
Thank you for not asking me to subscribe, though of course I did.
At this point you could tell me they actually crushed a woman under that house and I’d probably believe it
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lol
37 likesYes the wicked witch 🧙🏻♀️ of the east
19 likesAt one point some crew member actually killed themselves,its in a scene in the movie while walking along the yellow brick road I believe it's at the end of the road you can see a body of a human
12 likes@KyleYoung2012 that's just an urban legend. in hd versions of the movie you can see it was just a flamingo in the background
123 likesYeah I know at first it looks like a body but its actually a bird like you said
3 likes@KyleYoung2012
16 likesThat's what they wanted you to think.
The bird was edited in after the fact.
That original footage was of an actual munchkin dangling from a rope.
Re-watch that scene, and tell me that's a flamingo.
It doesn't move like an animal of the avian variety. It looks exactly what they're trying to erase.
@Igor Ivanov dude first of all how would a human (especially a midget) even get that high up and if someone just straight up hung themselves on set then why would they not do anything about it, do you think they didnt notice?? why would they leave a dead person in the shot thinking no one would care, and then eventually go through the effort of painstakingly editing it out
55 likesSwelling
0 likes@cheekybananaboy
8 likesThey didn't notice, that's the point. They also hoped nobody else would notice. A little person could have climbed up that prop. Or used a step ladder that was kicked underneath themselves while they struggled, and folded back in on itself laying flat on the ground, unable to notice it from that distance.
That footage is definitely no flamingo.
Just look at it closer, there's no way it could be explained away with such a lame excuse.
This is Hollywood we're talking about. Lying is part of the job description. They know nothing else.
@Igor Ivanov How do people like you get so insane? I don't understand it.
23 likes@Igor Ivanov I wouldn't trust the government to take care of my dog for a few minutes. You are right to distrust the government and corporations, but you come to conclusions in a weird way. People like you latch on to conspiracy theories that make no logical sense that have zero proof grounded in reality. You latch on to the most fringe and obscure conspiracies not because they mean anything, you do it because it makes you feel smart. Instead of looking at easily observable things like the U.S. government killing civilians in other countries and companies exploiting workers for profit, you must think that everything is hidden in the shadows. The truth is very mundane compared to what you believe. Everyone sees it. There is no need to believe in conspiracies when corruption happens in front of us out in broad daylight.
23 likes@Simple Weirdo
5 likesThe set was congested with props all over the place. Old cabin in the foreground on the left of screen, a rocky cliff top in the foreground on the right of screen, and the damned bright yellow brick road smack dab in the middle of the set enclosed off with multiple trees and shrubbery on each side in the foreground and background of the set. There was a hell of a lot going on in that set to say the least. There were highly lit areas in the foreground and some not so lit in the back. You mean to tell me with such a huge set with so much going on, people overheating from the lights bearing down on them from the brightly lit working areas that it was impossible to miss a 3 foot+ munchkin dangling from a noose somewhere far back in the more dimly lit area amongst the shrubbery and trees?
You act like you never even seen that scene before. Re-watch it and tell me that everything was equally lit up, or if they focused it on the area the actors would be.
You are naive to think that it couldn't be missed. These are humans we're talking about, not Hawks.
People are hard wired through millennia of evolution to focus what's taking place in front of their eyes.
Movie studios understand the intricacies that goes through to set up focal points and positions.
If you did any years of study in film school you'd know this.
I implore you to re-watch that specific scene. Notice the balancing act of creating such a scene with foreground background and centering focal points.
Then try turn your attention on the hanging munchkin far off in the distance and contrast that with the two.
You'll realize how something like that can go unnoticed.
@Plank
4 likesFind yourself a husband.
@Simple Weirdo
2 likesJust because the munchkin set was done, doesn't mean that they cease to exist from other sets. They shoot multiple scenes in one day, some overlap, some are reshot.
The munchkin body was so difficult to detect onset, let alone on camera. How many years passed before someone actually noticed it?
I would've taken their explanation on face value if the enhanced remastered version didn't look so vastly different.
That didn't explain it away, it only confirmed people's suspicions.
Look at the footage side by side. Play the original and the remastered versions side by side frame by frame.
That's why I cannot accept it's just a flamingo. The original looks nothing like a aimlessly walking bird in the distance.
At this point (meaning having watched this whole exploitative mess), you've heard a lot of exaggerations and outright lies.
0 likes@KyleYoung2012 No, you see the body of a saurus crane that you can see elsewhere in the sequence, and which once tried to make a meal of Ray Bolger.
0 likes@cheekybananaboy Thank you!
0 likes@Plank yup. people just want to feel a sense of superiority no matter how absurd it is
3 likes@Igor Ivanov The Munchkin set was not even built when the Tin Woodman's scene was being shot. The Munchkinland sequence was filmed a month after.
2 likes@Igor Ivanov The Tin Woodman's introductory scene was initially filmed from November 6th to November 11th, 1938, but when someone realized that Jack Haley's suit was too shiny they knew they'd have to reshoot. So Wardrobe dirtied up the buckram Tin Woodman costume to make it look properly rusty, and the sequence was redone from November 15th to November 19th. It was a closed set with only authorized people permitted to enter. Each person there (and there were dozens, likely close to a hundred) had a task to perform, including set dressers and lighting technicians in the gantries up close to the ceiling. Birds were brought in, lent by the Los Angeles Zoo, including a saurus crane that at one point lunged for Ray Bolger, attracted by the straw stuffing in his costume. That crane appeared in the back of the set for however many takes they did of the shot of Dorothy and her friends heading upstage, and in the take selected by Film Editor Blanche Sewell, the crane was seen to peck at the ground, then rear up and spread its wings.
2 likesThe next sequences filmed were the Cowardly Lion's intro scene (November 21st to 22nd), scenes in and around the Wicked Witch's castle (November 29th to December 3rd), and the Poppy Field scene (December 9th to 10th).
The Munchkinland sequence began filming on December 17th, more than a month after this scene was in the can.
@Igor Ivanov wouldn’t the tree be made of lightweight materials so it could be moved? So when the munchkin hanged himself. Wouldn’t the branch snap?
1 like@Igor Ivanov So did they not notice or not? You said they hoped people wouldn't notice, but if they themselves didn't notice that doesn't really add up
1 like@MelonKeepR
1 likeThey didn't notice to begin with in the original release.
They became more aware during the re-release of the filmwhen they worked on enhancing every section of tape was when it became clear to what it was.
How is that difficult to contemplate?
My advice to you is use that noggin of yours next time.
@Igor Ivanov Because that's not what you said. You said they hoped we wouldn't notice, but in the HD releases it's clear that it's a bird. Which means they never hoped you wouldn't notice, but tried to cover it up.
1 likeThat being under the assumption the suicide is real. It didn't happen.
@Igor Ivanov who the hell sets up a noose in the middle of a set
2 likesTruth
0 likes@Danny DeVEATo That's edited.
0 likes@Igor Ivanov So you're saying that the nearly 100 people on the set didn't notice a suicide taking place in their very midst? On your bike, mate. It never happened.
0 likes@Ketsuban Solo Only stagehands on a Western movie putting together the set for a lynching scene.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 everything they say about how bad the movie's production is true, in fact i heard that it was a lot worse
0 likes@Igor Ivanov -rep
0 likesThe only actor that will never be forgotten is Ryan Reynolds, every movie he's in he plays as himself. Ryan Reynolds IS Ryan Reynolds.
11 likesIronically, I hate the Wizard of Oz because I was in a traumatic production of it when I was younger.
378 likesI guess it's just cursed.
I mean, even Diary of a Wimpy kid says so.
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Judy Garland would tell you to enjoy it; she loved it, as did her co-stars.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 I see you in many comments adamantly defending these producers and the experience as a whole.
84 likesGotta ask, what has given you this knowledge that seemingly nobody else agrees with or recognizes? Doing even the faintest iota of research into the topic explains the opposite of what you claim.
This video had to of triggered you.
@Cheek Loins What "producers?" There was only one producer on "Wizard," his name was Mervyn LeRoy, and he was a fan of Judy Garland's and had campaigned against all odds to star her in the movie. He would not have brooked any maltreatment of her.
3 likes"The faintest iota of research" yields only the faintest iota of information. Conversely, decades of research tend to turn up much more thorough results, and that's what you find in the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
Mrs. Harmetz's mother worked in the Wardrobe department at MGM and was attached to "Wizard" as one of the costume people. In researching her book, Mrs. Harmetz interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, including Ray Bolger, Margaret Hamilton, Buddy Ebsen, Jack Haley, Mervyn LeRoy, and Betty Danko. Her book alone, therefore, is to be trusted because it has firsthand accounts of what went on-- and no, nothing is sugarcoated or glossed over.
Dairy of the wimpy kid? Huh
17 likes@MaskedMan66 I was going to attempt to retort you, but it’s no surprise you only believe what you consider worth believing.
41 likesI hope that kind of attitude only exists in your media consumption, and hasn’t leaked into more important aspects of your life.
@Cheek Loins just let this guy do what he does, it's hard to reason with smart people but it's harder to reason with the stupid ones
26 likes@A Fellow Human This isn't about me or your misperceptions about me. You know the titles of the books I've recommended. Find them and read them and get an education.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 yeah keep talking
16 likes@MaskedMan66 You should write an autobiography, so I can truly read a diary of a wimpy kid
23 likes@A Fellow Human Remark #6 in the list of retorts by people who know they have nothing left to contribute.
1 like@Jx LOL Thanks for the "kid!" I'm 54. As for wimpy, care to step outside?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 i don't know if any of the info you've shown is valid and i don't really care to research it rn, but it's odd how people keep resorting to cheap insults whenever you bring up Aljean Harmetz's book and others
2 likes@R of the BG I think you'd enjoy the books; they not only give the whole story on the movie, but they provide a look into American history, mostly as regards the film industry, of course, but they do touch on other events in the news of the time. Thank you for your words, though. I've seen a number of people who, upon hearing of the books and their authors for the very first time, will knee-jerkingly dismiss them. Really shows how entrenched they are in their misperceptions, dunnit?
3 likes@MaskedMan66 you’re 54, a grown man, sat at your computer or phone just spouting nonsense and arguing with strangers on the internet, if that isn’t wimpy i don’t know what is
15 likes@Broken Man The first two things are correct. Your first guess as to how I go online is the correct one. Otherwise you're wrong. All I do is present the facts, which are readily available to anyone who reads the books I've recommended. That's neither bold nor wimpy, that's simply communication.
2 likes@Broken Man P.S.: Now, while I realize you'd like to make this all about me, that's not what I'm here for. Stick to the subject at hand, which is the movie "The Wizard of Oz."
1 like@MaskedMan66 Bro wtf you’re 54 and arguing about wizard of oz production, please go outside
9 likes@Codename C.A.T Age is irrelevant, and I'm not arguing, just delivering the facts.
1 like@MaskedMan66 The people who worked on the official biograpgies were probably forced to lie about the conditions to make them sound better. If they had told the truth, I seriously doubt the books would've gotten published.
5 likesI don't mean to be aggressive, I just wanted to point that out.
@MaskedMan66 the boomer is loose
5 likes@Wojciech Plichtowski Generations and the silly names people come up with for them are irrelevant, especially since we're talking about an 82 year-old movie.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 I don't care lol you're arguing about an 82-year old movie on the internet, get something better to do. Also 1$ has been deposited to your bank account.
7 likes@Wojciech Plichtowski I'm not arguing; I'm giving the facts.
1 like@MaskedMan66 "facts"
2 likes@Wojciech Plichtowski No need for quotaion marks. Just read the books and take especial note of their extensive glossaries.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I don't read hollywood propaganda, I prefer actual interviews with the actors and producers instead of a book written to hide the atrocities of Big Cinema. You've been at this for at least 4 months, how you have time for this, I don't know. I have no interest in continuing this conversation, as you seem to not consider the arguments of other people. Typical boomer behaviour. also spelling lol get rekt lmaooo look at dis dood
6 likes@Wojciech Plichtowski It's always when they know their side of the discussion is losing ground that they cut and run. Aljean Harmetz and John Fricke DID interview "Wizard" actors and other personnel for their books (in Mrs. Harmetz's case, she spoke to 48 of them), and Scarfone and Stillman provided interviews with the stars from newspaper and magazine accounts.
1 likeNothing was sugarcoated in any of the books, as you would know if you plucked up the courage to read them instead of making up your own version of events and high-tailing it. I tellya, the Cowardly Lion would be laughing at you.
@MaskedMan66 I thought I was stupid and have nothing to do as a 17 years old kid until I met you, I feel better now, thanks Boomer.
6 likes@MaskedMan66 “oh look, I go on every comment and disagreed with everyone, do I get my own Wikipedia page now? Do you feel proud of me child?”
3 likes@JERRY WHET MOISTURE Put away the shovel, kid.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Put your phone away grandpa, it hurting your eyes
2 likes@JERRY WHET MOISTURE This isn't about me, it's about the movie. If you can't stick to that topic, then don't bother chiming in.
1 like@MaskedMan66 jesus just stop man.
1 like@-–——·≈·[The Patriot]·≈·——–- Why are some people so in love with lies that they try to silence the people who deliver the truth?
1 like@-–——·≈·[The Patriot]·≈·——–- By the way, I'm not Jesus.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 deez nuts
0 likes@MaskedMan66 dude... just stop
1 like@Replux Stop telling the truth? No way.
1 like@MaskedMan66 im curious do you do the same thing in other videos or are you just that passionate about the wizard of oz
0 likes@Replux I've contributed a lot on one or two other topics, such as "Doctor Who" and Narnia. But the reason I comment on these Oz vids so much is that so many of the same lies and misinformation keep popping up, and in the interest of truth and trying to get people to do some real research, I do my bit toward that.
1 like@ObiDaSauceMan from what i remember one of the original diary of a wimpy kid books had a segment where Greg had to participate in a poorly made wizard of oz play for his school and it turned out really akward and bad
3 likes@MaskedMan66 "Stop telling the truth? No way"- A liar
0 likes@CMG The Person If I'm a liar, then so are the people who made the movie, because that is where the info I share ultimately comes from. What are your sources?
1 like@MaskedMan66 wrong
0 likesOnly just found this video, and whilst it’s morbidly fascinating to learn about, I’m more horrified by the apparent mental state of the MaskedMan66 guy responding to literally every negative view on the films production in this entire comments section to defend it - I feel like I’ve just peered into the abyss
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Not negative, just untrue. There are plenty of negative things that happened during the production of this movie without inventing more of them. Have you actually looked critically into any of the reports that people blindly believe, like the lies about Judy Garland being abused and bullied by her co-stars? Or are you willing to read the books you've seen me recommend, which were written by historians who spoke to the people who created the film?
0 likesBottom line, you needn't worry about my "mental state" as all I'm here for-- and anyone could do what I'm doing-- is to provide the truth.
@Adrian Vegas He's had no problem with my comments.
0 likes@Adrian Vegas Got two, thanks. Next irrelevant comment?
0 likes@Adrian Vegas Two's plenty. And your judgment is faulty. Why should someone who actually is after setting the record straight about this movie (and I'm not the only one) be restricted from it? Very baffling reasoning there.
0 likes@Adrian Vegas I have the same amount of time as anyone in any given day, and it doesn't take much of it to dash off these comments.
0 likesTruth is truth, and ratings are irrelevant to it. People always crowd around scandal; that doesn't make it true. "The National Enquirer" has been a top-selling publication for almost a century; does that mean it tells the truth? Think about that for a bit.
I don't think "literally" everyone would appreciate you speaking for them; in point of fact, many people have taken the time to check out the facts and have realized the rumormongers are spreading nonsense.
@Adrian Vegas I put forth no opinions. The information I provide comes ultimately from the actors and crew of "The Wizard of Oz," as set down in books for which they shared their experiences.
0 likes@Adrian Vegas I already gave you the answer. Never mind documentaries, here are some superior books for you, containing the words of the people who made the movie and were in it : "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton (who said of the book, "The research alone is a staggering accomplishment," and "For me it is a mine of information."), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@Adrian Vegas As opposed to whom? Nobody else could give an accurate account. You're just being willfully ignorant now.
0 likes@Adrian Vegas Once was enough; same old distortions regurgitated by other "documentaries," and all by people whose grandparents likely hadn't even been born when the movie was being made. Yet somehow, you and others think them greater authorities on the movie than the people who were there at the time. smh
0 likes@Adrian Vegas "Biased towards the movie?" What does that even mean? All they do is tell what happened while it was being made. In Mrs. Harmetz's book, for instance, Margaret Hamilton and Betty Danko describe the accidents that befell them, sparing no details and sugarcoating nothing, while they were bringing the Wicked Witch of the West to life on the screen.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I'm just curious, what causes you to make a reply on possibly hundreds of other comments?
9 likesAnd also, do you by chance have a reddit account?
@That one annoying Tornado Siren - What "causes" anyone who knows the facts about anything to share those facts with people who have the wrong information?
0 likesI don't even know what Reddit is; I've heard the word, but haven't looked into it.
@MaskedMan66 Problem with calling everyone 'wrong' is that you're mostly using people's word, when you're going against objective facts. It doesn't matter that someone said they're fine with it, if we can clearly see they went through hell. It's basic solidarity.
1 like@Daniel Ferreira LOL And how can you "clearly see" what you weren't present for? Wrong information is wrong information, and if someone is spreading it, it isn't a judgment on that person to say so. A lot of people I've corrected actually have gone and done proper research and realized their errors.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I can "clearly see" because I've been going over this comment section. Not only did I not find anyone saying you're right, I barely found anything beyonf what you've been saying, which as I stated before, is luricrous.
1 like@Daniel Ferreira What I'm saying comes from books written by people who spoke to those involved; Aljean Harmetz alone interviewed 48 people who worked on the film, including her mother. Read the books. Scroll up to where I give the titles.
0 likesWow dude hosted an entire conversation with himself that’s just impressive
7 likes@Chubby_Runs What are you talking about?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 reread this thread
0 likes@Chubby_Runs If you'd read it, you'd see where I addressed my remarks to other people. Their comments have gone, but they were there once.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 cool man not sure why you’re talking like a poet but ok
1 like@Chubby_Runs I writes posh, 'at's all. I talks much more common-like.
0 likes@tiru liru Why would I do that? I haven't defended anyone's perversions or misdeeds. My focus is on The Wizard of Oz and setting the record straight about it. Some weird people get off on saying that Judy Garland was abused by the cast and crew of the movie, and they get angry-- actually angry -- when they learn that she wasn't.
1 like@MaskedMan66 you need to go outside and find a hobby
3 likes@Donut There are indoor hobbies as well, and chatting on YouTube is one of mine. Now, what do you know about this movie? That is what the topic started out as being; people who fear that they have nothing to contribute tend to obsess over the person who knows stuff.
0 likesThe second I heard that the snow was asbestos, I knew for a fact that everything was fucked
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The snow was crushed gypsum.
0 likesThere's a dark side?
2172 likesThought it was all dark.
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Not over the rainbow
27 likesIt can be Any Colour You Like, actually
77 likes@Kevin the Rhea yes, but so long as it's black
32 likes@Kevin the Rhea Just pray all that copper paint doesn't give you Brain Damage.
49 likesIf In Praise of Shadows' video on Return to Oz is anything to go by, the original Oz books were indeed more dark and somewhat creepy. Not actually horror, just a bit unnerving at times.
2 likesI am not frightened of dying
12 likesYeah, this implies there's a bright side to this industry.
4 likesIt is all dark side
2 likesvTubers also have dark side
4 likes@Raymunator they have a fun demented vibe to them!
1 likeThe dark side of DEEZ NUTZ
1 like@Kevin the Rhea I choose GREEN
0 likescoming from an ahegao pfp
2 likesthe other one is the darker side
0 likesThis is two underrated comments at the same time.
3 likesthat californication for you
1 like@That’s one smug wojak It's based on context.
0 likes@Sphere space all you touch and all youll see, is all your life will ever be
2 likesthere is no dark side really
2 likesAlways has been 🔫👨🚀
0 likes@Sphere space beat me to it
0 likesDark side of the moon
0 likesIs that a reference to something
0 likes@Seamus McKeon There was never a rainbow to go over.
0 likesHeard this movie made quite a lot of “money” too
0 likesBut i find it to be so terribly loud…
@Raymunator The Oz books are not at all dark, but like any good works of fantasy, there are creepy elements-- but they are not the main focus and are always presented as bad.
1 likeIt's a screwed kind of irony where they endured so much agony and suffering, and yet created one of the most whimsical and frankly beautiful movies of all time and defined their entire careers off of it. Though, I have to say, with all of the money companies like Disney makes, it'd be kind of nice to see them have the same attitude of MGM where they just want to make something great. Just, hopefully don't treat those under them so poorly.
2 likesCan you make this “dark side of Hollywood” a series? Because there are definitely more awful stories and experiences like this
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And a lot of those are lies too.
0 likesThey didn't care about Bert's health, they just wanted him to keep working?! Such a piece of garbage their boss must be. It's sad that these amazingly talented people suffered in terrible ways, yet they all deserved better imo.
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This video is full of lies and misrepresentation. People don't realize, because rumormongers don't tell them, that they took frequent breaks to cool off; the lights were shut off, the doors were opened, and Bert was able to open his costume and also get his hands out.
0 likesall just for a kid's movie
0 likes@acacia A family movie, and one which the stars and crew loved. People have gone through far worse for other movies. Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double on the last "Harry Potter" movie is now a quadriplegic because of a stunt that went wrong. On some movie sets and locations, people have even died.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 wizard of oz is evil movie, evil
2 likes@acacia Oscar, stick to giving Steve and Jaime their assignments. That's what you're good at.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 hollywood evil
3 likes@acacia Dr. Wells is calling, something about Bigfoot.
1 likeTo play a bit of devils advocate, he was probably being pressured from people higher up, too. There's always a battle between the artists and the business men that sell the product of the artist. Also, consider what the average person knew about modern medicine and biology back then
0 likes@MaskedMan66 this movie promotes abuse for the sake of good art (even though it was an okay forgetable movie at best)
0 likes@J K The OP's comment is bogus.
0 likes"Shows are a never-ending life of course. A silhouette that stays when you are gone."
129 likes-Sarah Lynn, Bojack Horseman
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The chatter stops, the crowd departs, a needle drops, the music starts, a song you taught me when i was small. Don’t stop dancing, dont stop dancing…
3 likesFUN FACT:
2748 likesOn the set of the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland was bullied and treated miserably by her co-actors. Ironically, the only friend she made on set was Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch.
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That was incredibly hard.
106 likesHow is this "fun"?
344 likes:( I didm't have any fun with this.
286 likesFun...
59 likesafter watching this vid,
279 likesher co-actors also suffered tremendous pain, it is just kinda sad they thrown their negativity towards judy
I heard Margaret would also visit her stunt double when she was in the hospital, and eventually became decent friends with her.
178 likes@KillerKitten753 Margaret was a wonderful person and it's kinda funny that her most famous role was as the quintessential baddy mcevil bad guy
240 likesFun fact: my dad died of cancer
30 likesAin't nothing fun about that fact.
21 likes@Biodegradable Indeed, the only good part was Hamilton being a decent person.
20 likes@ADR412 wowie
0 likes@Progunjack555 oh for fuck sakes. I hate it when people say that. Not fun fact as in its fun or amusing, Fun as in small or bite sized. Like fun sized candies
17 likes@ADR412 Take the L
0 likes@Zer0 ok sure
0 likes@ADR412 👍🏻
1 likeany comment that starts with FUN FACT is an automatic dislike.
7 likesI like how half of these comments are cancelling this guy over the word ‘fun’ lmao
17 likesWhat a fun fact
0 likes@iamhungey12345 Not a decent one, a very good one.
2 likes@Progunjack555 Fun fact:
3 likesSome fun fact aren't fun
Harharhar! Fun fact no proof or evidence of Judy being treated terrible! 👊🏻🖕🏻
1 likeThats pretty wholesome.
2 likesProbably the only uplifting moment of the movies production
Bazinga, what a FUN FACT
0 likesFun they said.
0 likesDamn thats harsh!
0 likes@Callum Lambkin yup Hollywood is weird like that sometimes
0 likes@iamhungey12345 if they ever do a movie about this shitshow, Margaret should be the protagonist.
0 likes@Callum Lambkin She was also a kindergarten teacher before she began acting as a career. Decades later, she made an appearance on “Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood” to show kids that she was only acting when she played the Wicked Witch of the West. What a wonderful woman, indeed.
4 likesIndeed, and the fun fact is satyrical.
0 likesNeither fun nor a fact. Judy was the darling of the set; Jack Haley described her as "born to brilliance," and Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter."
2 likes@Progunjack555 It's not fun; nor is it factual.
1 like@nic magtaan Tremendous discomfort more than actual pain. Bolger had it the best of the three, being in a cotton and felt costume that allowed him full range of movement, but even he found his make-up difficult.
1 like@KillerKitten753 They were friends already, and when Betty was laid up with her injured leg, the cast sent her a copy of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" which they had all signed. Miss Hamilton wrote a little note thanking her for "taking one" for her and signed it, "Mag the Hag."
1 like@Biodegradable Ain't nothing factual about it either.
0 likes@Prabunino Nor facts.
0 likes@Gjergj Aurelius Correct!
0 likes@Echo of Korrbastion Not hardly! There was also the time during a break that someone put on a Louis Prima record that got Judy's toes tapping, and then she and Ray Bolger started an impromptu dance routine right in the middle of the Emerald City set!
0 likes@KillerKitten753 When Betty Danko was laid up with her injured leg, the cast sent her a copy of the book which they'd signed with well-wishes. Miss Hamilton's read, "Between fire and explosions, it's been fun! Thank you, Betty dear, for all you 'took' for me! Much love-- Mag the Hag."
0 likesIt’s kinda interesting that actors who usually play the roles of villains or very unpleasant characters are usually the most nicest people out there. Probably because they know what it’s like to be the exact opposite of what they are.
2 likes@Godess Call Putting aside the inaccuracy of the OP's statement (in reality, everybody loved Judy), I've seen firsthand how nice villain portrayers can be. I've met Dave "Darth Vader" Prowse, Jacqueline "Servalan" Pearce, and three incarnations of the Master from "Doctor Who," namely Geoffrey Beevers, Anthony Ainley, and Eric Roberts, and all of them were very kind people.
2 likesThat's not true at all.
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0 likesFUNFACT:On the set of the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland was bullied and treated miserably by her co-actors. Ironically, the only friend she made on set was Margaret Hamilton, who played the Wicked Witch.
ftfy
Can you cite your sources for this alleged fact?
1 like@AnArn B Not a fact.
0 likes@manifestgtr No, because it isn't true.
0 likesGives you a whole appreciation of what people dealt with in the 1930s. Technology was taking shape and medicine was advancing, meaning that people knew nothing back then. People didn't know that lead was poisonous, people didn't know if uranium was dangerous, people just went with it. Over time more things were known about things, life became easier and we even developed a vaccine within a year.
21 likesThank you tech.
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I've never seen a more egregious example of chronological snobbery as your comment.
2 likesP.S.: What have lead or uranium got to do with this movie?
0 likesP.P.S.: Some "vaccine." People who've had their shots have also caught COVID-19 after getting them.
@ZArthritiz Yeah, I've heard of that. I know people in the medical profession (my sister, for one) and there's been a lot of such lazy and irresponsible reporting.
0 likesIndeed, but abuse in the industry today is just as bad as in this movie
0 likesBuddy Ebsen didn't really miss out in the role of a lifetime. He had other movie roles such as Audrey Hepburn's husband in Breakfast at Tiffany's. He then went on to have a great career in television. First, as Jed Clampett in the most viewed show on television at the time, the Beverly Hiillbillies and then as the lead character in Barnaby Jones.
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Granted, but he did regret having to leave the movie. It was hopefully some small consolation that his voice is still on the soundtrack.
0 likesFun Fact 1: Some years after the movie, Ebsen appeared in a stage version of Wizard as the Scarecrow!
Fun Fact 2: In the feature film version of The Beverly Hillbillies, which starred Jim Varney as Jed, Ebsen had a cameo-- as Barnaby Jones!
Didn’t see the word “Hollywood” and assumed that this was about how the wizard of oz and Pink Floyd’s dark side of the moon syncing up well.
1 likeEmp I’m glad people like you are on the platform, absolutely incredible for someone with such storytelling ability to just make whatever videos they want. Post YT spiral your videos have become a grab bag of interesting topics that I never thought I could be engaged in. The two nascar videos gave me a newfound appreciation for Motorsport. Keep doing what you want to do.
2 likes“The dark side of Hollywood” implies the existence of a good side of Hollywood
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We all know there is no good side
296 likesThe good side is all the movies that we enjoy watching, like Dark Knight and Infinity Wars. (although there's a lot of movies that come out that are complete turds)
471 likesKeanu Reeves
291 likesrecieves le reddit gold
Of course there's a good side, but people are so addicted to bad that they ignore it.
140 likes@Josh Except that I'm not in every comment, literally or figuratively. I mainly deal with the people who are, knowingly or unwittingly, spewing false information. You'd probably ask Galileo to stop "acting like a bozo" and "get help" for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun.
93 likesThe good side is easy to see. It is the money, fame, etc. It is also the great movies that are created (like someone else mentioned).
75 likesthe other side is the facade they put up
4 likesNow you’re just talking crazy, the world being flat is is more believable lmao
7 likes@ObiDaSauceMan So you think the sun revolves around the earth, do you?
2 likes@MaskedMan66 yes also the moon is made out of cheese and Christopher Columbus discovered America
31 likes@MaskedMan66 You are comparing yourself to Galileo or what?? Lmao.
43 likes@Vansh Kumar No, I'm comparing Josh's attitude to that of those members of the scientific community who were so set in their ways that they wouldn't even consider an alternative to their view of things. Not very scientific of them, was it? ;-)
11 likes@Blue_Man Xdddd thank you kind stranger this is such a chungus wholesome 100 moment XDDD
0 likesWell a good side can be relatively good but still dark.
0 likes@X A Then it's not a good side at all.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 what is good for me, might be bad for you.
17 likesBeauty is in the eye of the beholder. Same with this
@Anonymous That subjectivity. I'm talking about objectivity.
3 likesTo be fair, movie production is hundreds of times safer than it was. To the point that the worst things modern superstar actors like Depp have to worry about are psycho girlfriends cutting their digits off and Twitter outrage mobs.
15 likesThe movies we all love is the good side obviously
2 likesOops! all vantablack!
0 likesNo good side, because while good is opposite of bad, bad is not so synonymous with dark.
7 likesWhat you have is the light side of hollywood, happy actors, grand spectacle, stories told to watch endlessly. Thats how this works, two sides of a coin. Sometimes the dark side is how the actors are treated, and others that side is reflected more in the final product than the production.
There is a light side, but as they say, brighter lights cast larger shadows. That being the bright light of one of the most iconic films in American history bright, blinding, casting black chasms without reprieve or remorse.
There's the porn industry 😂
1 like@MaskedMan66 It's almost like it might have been sarcastic hyperbole :0
3 likes@Edd I too enjoy product, so much in fact that I am willing to totally ignore the abuse of actors, actresses and staff perpetuated by the nigh-invincible who make these beautiful dreams. Also, they support good stuff like the TV says, so they can't be bad people.
8 likesI love consuming so much, I can't wait to give even more money to alleged pedophiles.
Quinten Tarantino maybe?
0 likes@Dig Duke That's the worst of it.
0 likes@Dacron What might have been?
1 likeThe real good side of Hollywood is the friends we made along the way
4 likesthe good side is what you see on screen
0 likesbut i hear yah
@Gumi Sharks this tbh
2 likes@MaskedMan66 you just compared yourself to Galileo?lmao. Stfu......... Everybody focuses on the good of Hollywood.... Which is why everyone is willing to bend their morals on fame and Fortune.............
10 likes@MaskedMan66 imagine comparing yourself to him, your ego is insane. Get some help, your opinion is wrong
4 likesno
0 likesJimmy Olsen over here
0 likesThe good side is the friends we made along the way
0 likes@Miguel Garcia Everybody focuses on the good of Hollywood... You know besides literally everyone. Hollywood has been making fun of Hollywood, before some of the people watching this video were even born. People that focus on the good of Hollywood are like fay from my experience, everybody keeps telling me they're all around me, & while I don't want to 100% deny they exist, I can't for the life of me find any.
1 like(Besides small kids, but that's a given.)
There is only a Red side.
1 likeLooks like the mandatory argument that exists in every YouTube comment reply thread transpired
6 likes@Edd But Infinity Wars are turds.
0 likesEdggyyyy
1 likeChris Pratt, Kurt Russell, Vince Vaughn, Clint Eastwood, Conan O'Brien, Tina Fey, the list goes on.
1 likeWell, they made some good movies
0 likes@MaskedMan66 in the end there is no good side of hollywood. Its all smoke and mirrors to make things look all good and dandy.
3 likes@biggie zoinks Not true. I have friends there who, while aware of the evil that they say is "palpable," they themselves and other associates of theirs represent the good.
0 likesIt means satan is real which means God is real which means we need to repent for our sins ASAP
4 likesThat’s the subliminal message they mock Jesus
1 like@Malik Wright Well said. Pray for Hollywood.
3 likes@Malik Wright They fear Him, that's why.
3 likes@Bagel Time I
1 likeThere is a good side it’s not always a bad thing most of the time yess but not ALL the time
1 likeI skipped the long ass intro,it was annoting
0 likesThis is the bad side the other one is the less bad side
0 likesLol no good side? That’s stupid. We’ve all seen great movies.
1 likeWe could only hope
0 likesnice name
1 likeZack Snyder
0 likes@erik_cucumber_ It’s the superior spelling 🤝
0 likesRick Moranis is the good side
0 likesNo it dosent it just implies the fact that holly wood will always be able to get worse
0 likesKeanu Reeves, Brendan Fraser, Guillermo Del Toro, Edgar Wright, Daniel Radcliffe, Elijah Wood. There is a good side.
0 likesi think there is a good side to everything
0 likes@Bagel Time matter of fact its all dark
1 likeI mean, Danny deVito adopting the child actress from Matilda was pretty heartwarming I guess.
1 likeI assume you've never in your life enjoyed a Hollywood movie?
0 likesThis stands out as more a critique of capitalism than the film industry though.
0 likesToday most movies arent filmed in Hollywood
0 likeslike Dark Knight was filmed in Vancover,Infinity war was filmed in Brazil,South Africa,SOuth korea and Studios in Florida
@MaskedMan66 and I would say replying to someone who replies to your reply on a YouTube comment is the peak of having no life
0 likes@Waylan No, that's having a conversation. Works that way in face-to-face discourse as well.
0 likeswell one side is bad the other is worse
0 likesThere’s no good side
0 likes@Skazy Of course there is; it's just that it doesn't get as much attention in this scandal-obsessed world we're stuck in.
0 likesThe only good side is the Well made movie(in this case at least) de dark side are the means to make It
0 likes@MaskedMan66 yea you are right, accidents happen. The "dark side" in this is how they reacted to dose accidents
0 likesThe free food
0 likes"The good side" refers to the photography term; you know, when you turn, change expressions, fake emotions, fake your surroundings and generally fake yourself to get a snapshot of just the good, so you can more easily pretend that the rest of you doesn't exist?
0 likesYeah, that good side
@Rer Tar Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Their reaction to the accidents was invariably to get over them and continue with their work and their lives.
0 likes@Tralfazz74 Interesting analogy, but no.
0 likes@Tralfazz74 Free-- and quite good! I was an extra in a Ron Howard movie, and the snacks alone were excellent.
1 like@MaskedMan66 1. Become an extra
1 like2. Swipe as much food as you can
3. Repeat infinitely
@MaskedMan66 That sounds awesome, by the way
1 like@Edd not everyone that saw the dark knight enjoyed it...
0 likes@Tralfazz74 LOL That's about the size of it.
0 likes@Tralfazz74 The movie was "The Dilemma." I still haven't seen it; I suspect you can only see my feet.
1 like@Rer Tar You are mistaken about the whole thing. And your sentence structure is a bit confusing; you don't seem to be talking about the same "they" throughout your comment. Which "they" do you mean at which points?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 jaja sorry im not the brightest at inglish. all the "they" mean the Guys behind the production of the movie. Exept for one in wich i usted a frase from your coment, But i think we were refering to the same guys
0 likes@Rer Tar I didn't mean any offense. But you are mistaken about both Mervyn LeRoy (Producer) and Victor Fleming (Director). They did not deliberately put anyone in danger. The accidents were accidents.
0 likesThe good side is the friends we made along the way
0 likes@northdakotagamer And Judy made many friends. :-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 sir, it's good to see you keep your philosophy and english classes in day. now we can clearly say that the last thing you're lacking is a actual life.
1 like@O N E I have a wife, two jobs, and multiple extracurricular activities. This here commenting on YT is just another hobby. Now, if you're done obsessing over me, let's talk about the subject at hand-- if you have anything to add, that is.
1 likeIf only
0 likes@MaskedMan66 man knew the earth revolved around the sun for ages in Greece and before, it's just that the dark Ages banned the idea and so when he made the idea again people thought he was crazy
0 likes@Kira Slith not true
0 likes*Darker Side
0 likes"There's no dark side of Hollywood really, matter of fact it's all dark."
0 likes@Dífky Corp. true, before I saw this full comment I thought that you'd say something like "there is no dark side it's just that the good movies that have the worst production situations and etc, no good movie gets made when people are messing around"
0 likes@MaskedMan66 My regards to your wife's boyfriend btw, he must have a lot of patience with you.
2 likes@O N E I feel sorry for you, I genuinely do. Why you think you need to attempt doing down a person just because he shares accurate information on a subject about which you had hold of the wrong idea is a puzzle.
0 likesAt the same time, you seem to have a very high opinion of my perceptiveness if you expect me to be able to tell from words on a screen the age of the person who typed them. Maturity level can be guessed at, to be sure, but many teens (and even younger folks) can be remarkably erudite.
@O N E "but i did acquired my BS in oncology"
0 likesDidn't score very high in English, I take it? ;-)
The good side is the films that make people’s childhood
1 likeDarker side
0 likes@MaskedMan66 yeah bro you’re just like Galileo
0 likesthe exit
0 likes@JP Huffinstuff I didn't say I was, except inasmuch as I accept the truth.
0 likesthere is no good side and the people here claiming otherwise have no viable viewpoint on the matter. it is an industry designed to mislead and distract. at best, an acceptable (childish and ignorant) viewpoint would be "well they are companies of course they only care about money", in fact they are beyond monetary concerns. their behavior is not explainable with any framework centered on money or prestige. their behavior is explainable, however, through lenses of dogma, ideology, hate, or control. as you are well aware there is no shortage of bad actors who eschew both our moral sensibilities and the true aim of the industry, there are many of those who use the industry to enrich themselves by abusing others (personal gains of money/power to assault others instead of going along with genocidal ideologues). it's evil all the way down, with or against them. there is no "bottom", it can get worse and degenerate without limit
2 likesKeanu reeves big wholesome updoot big chungus
0 likes@boldCactus Except for one thing: you're mistaken. Yes, there are evil people associated with the business, and they are even in the majority. But they're also the only ones who get talked about, which naturally means that the good people-- of whom there are many-- are ignored.
0 likeswhatever side that made shark tale
0 likes@MaskedMan66 he's not wrong. you can't really take a joke now can you
0 likesWell… sometimes the movies are good? I guess? Idk I’ve got nothing else
0 likes@Edd the dark knight led keith ledger to kill himself…
0 likes@Joshdoingthings YT And sometimes the people behind them are good as well. It's really a mistake to paint with such broad strokes as so many people do.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 good point
1 like@Joshdoingthings YT Thank you.
0 likesI mean, the light side of Hollywood is the 100 years of beloved movies
1 like@Clayton Davison An excellent answer!
0 likesHey Algernon, There is a good side, John huges was part of that good side., so was John candy…
1 like@ObiDaSauceMan Christopher Colombia did discover America for the Old world It was unknown to most of the old world at that point. Yes it had been discovered before then, but it hadn’t been common knowledge until
0 likesColumbus… because of him we had the widespread colonization of North America.
@Sir Loin Not to mention George Lucas and Steven Spielberg.
0 likes@Waylan So you something and walk away? Wouldnt that leave you with no friends, this no life?
0 likes@O N E you lose lol bye felicia!
0 likes@oofnack some people just cant. Sad, I know...
0 likes@Einstellungian what why
0 likesAgreed
0 likes@dkam money and fame come at a price. There is no good side.
0 likesThe darkER side
1 likeIt’s the dark side and the darker side
0 likesThey make movies people like
0 likesThe good side is you can become filthy rich and create a large platform for yourself
0 likesAlthough none of Hollywood may be good, there is a side that's very well lit.
0 likesWow that's right...there is no "good side" of Hollywood in my opinion...
1 likeMore like a sensationalized side
0 likesThe good sides usually the surprised side. I.e smaller films like peanut butter falcon (but even then Sheia lebouf is kind of a fucked up guy and himself a product of the bad side of Hollywood as a child actor)
0 likesThe bright side is Hollywood's ability to bring our wildest dreams to life, the dark side is the cost
1 like@Dífky Corp. This
0 likesDiary of a kid movies
0 likesJack Black is the good side. A single person.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 the sun doesn't exist
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Nice to see another person in a yt comment section staying true to their opinion, and staying on topic without personal attacks. 🍻
1 like@Alex Purcell Thanks for your kind words. :-)
1 like@Blue_Man edit: Thanks for the gold, Kind stranger!
0 likes@MaskedMan66 it's literally a majority bad industry. Even if there's a lil good the bad keeps growing and growing, so stop shilling
0 likes@Edd that’s what I was gonna say
0 likes@Typachisama I'm not talking about the industry, I'm talking about one movie.
0 likesThe darker side
0 likesThere’s always a good side
1 likethere is no dark side of the moon infact all of its dark
0 likes@s8tn Not the part that the sun's shining on.
0 likesWell yeah
0 likesExcept for Keanu Reeves. I’m still shocked someone that nice is in Hollywood.
@Starr Smith More than you might suppose.
0 likesThe 'good' side of Hollywood is the entertainment it provides
0 likes@Don Chiba And not all the people who work there are bad.
0 likesIf there isn't a good side that means you don't believe in any good movies
1 likeNo, it implies a "light side" of Hollywood.
0 likes@Shelby Seelbach Same thing in this context.
0 likesOne of those on the good side is Kevin Feige
0 likes@NeoMarioBros And once upon a time, Frank Capra.
0 likesDon't think Mr. Roger's had anything bad happen.
0 likes@Shef That's Rogers, and his show was done in Pittsburgh, not Hollywood.
0 likes@Shef Or are you talking about the movie with Tom Hanks?
0 likesThere is a somewhat tolerable side
0 likes@Kira Slith It goes deeper than that
0 likes"Dark" don't have to mean "evil" but more like "unseen".
0 likesAnd to think all of this suffering could have been avoided if MGM just decided to make it into an animated movie and directly compete with Disney in that extremely new and experimental market (at the time). I mean, MGM already had an animation studio at their disposal. At the very least, the only suffering behind the scenes would be overworked animators, and not actual physical and mental torture.
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There was no torture except the torture everyone had to undergo because of the blazing hot lights needed for Technicolor. And for that, Victor Fleming ordered regular breaks so they could be shut off and everyone could cool down. Casts and crews of other movies have suffered far worse than those of Wizard ; it's really baffling that people pick on this one movie.
0 likesHollywood can be a messed up place sometimes, actors are the forgotten more than the characters they played, and that’s a hard pill to swallow, please support the people starring in movies, they have done some great stuff.
3 likesThis may come off as a shock to you, or it may not. At this point i dont know, you may be deeper in the hole than I recognize right now, but i love every single video you make. Your content is ensnaring and amazing. Every time a video comes out, i will watch it multiple times cuz they’re just that good. I’ve been subscribed to you for about 5(?) years and despite all the hardships you’ve been through i’ve never hated a single thing you do. I really hope you stay on the platform till the bitter end because your content is so top notch, even if others dont share the same opinion. You’re the diamond among the rubble and dont let anyone tell you otherwise, Youtube may turn to shit but i hold out on hope that you wont EmpLemon
1 likethis stuff really makes me thankful for modern video editing, photoshop, digital effects, and youtube. being able to make fun videos as a one person show would have likely been near impossible in another time, and if i was alive then i might have had the desire to be a part of the movie industry rather than just making my own videos for fun
7 likesNice video, didn't really go into the details enough of WHY this happened though. Back in the old days you signed a contract to work for a studio and that was basically it. They could then make you work as many movies as they wanted in a year with little to no say about anything. Even the biggest name actors and actresses made next to on money unless they happened to sign a contract after they were already famous.
3 likesEven then the long hours and such were brutal. Not to mention the expectations of being able to sing, dance and do most if not all your own stunts built by people with dodgy ideas of how to do said stunt.
From what I understand Judy Garland after her huge fame from Wizard Oz was basically worked to death by MGM. As they wanted to capitalize as much as possible on her fame.
Now as said in the video, it's not instantly better now. Abuse and mistreatment still happens in any industry where people want to work more than the employer needs the employee. But with the rise of social media and the risk of bad PR I think the power shifts more into the favor of the worker than it ever has.
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The filming day for this movie ran eight hours, and for Judy Garland, being a minor, four hours. Singing and dancing are par for the course in musicals, and everyone had experience in that. They had stunt doubles; Judy's was Bobbie Koshay, who had been a member of the 1928 Olympic swim team. And stunt work had been going on in movies for some years; Margaret Hamilton's stuntwoman Betty Danko had been in the biz since 1927. She once described her job thusly:
0 likes"I have fallen into ditches, lakes, pools, through trap doors, from piano tops, over chairs and tables, down laundry chutes and stairs. I have fallen over backwards from a height of 25 ft into 32 in of water and into a pool fully clothed though I can barely swim. I've been yanked around on wires, had pies and knives thrown at me, have lain amid flames of gasoline—all for the sake of Art and a pay check. But I still like it and it enables me to support my mother and myself."
The worst injury she ever received on a movie shoot was not being blown up on the broom rig for Wizard, but having almost lost her foot to a mountain lion's jaws while doubling for Patsy Kelly in a comedy (of all things).
Judy had long since left MGM by the time she died.
Goes to show how much of what we enjoy and look back on with appreciation and happiness, often have some of the darkest backgrounds. Absolute respect to all of the actors, child or adult who suffered during their respective productions, especially in these earlier films where the technology, resources and knowledge of the materials being used were still being understood, and safety regulations were not all that.
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my boy henry!!
1 like@acacia Yes indeed. :)
0 likesNot "dark," just hard work. People have suffered far more on other, and indeed, more recent movies.
0 likesDamn, can you imagine the huge amounts of cope needed to constantly try and justify/defend the horrible things that happened in this video? And to continue to do so even though nearly a year has passed since this video was made 😂😂😂🤡👍
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Not defend them, just set the record straight about them, as in much of what this guys says just plain didn't happen, and that what did happen has been exaggerated and lied about.
0 likesOutstanding work Emp, nice touch having it sync up with The Dark Side of the Moon. That ending was eerie leading up to the marionette. Painted a great picture without words.
1 likeIt broke my heart when Margaret Hamilton was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. To be in suffering with the rest of the crew, the lasting effects go on longer than Judy's addictions. I give no shortage of sympathy on Judy's trauma, but for Hamilton to slowly forget all she is and has done, for her real person and place in the world fade away, is truely disheartening.
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Alzheimer's is an awful, awful thing.
242 likes@True Reaper45 soul is gone
16 likesIt is the slow death of memory, though I believe the personality is usually left unscathed. It's like soap opera amnesia without the moment where you suddenly get it all back.
121 likes@True Reaper45 It's like hollowing in Dark Souls, only it's real
19 likesNothing that happened to Miss Hamilton while making "Wizard"-- or indeed any of the other movies, T.V. shows, and stage plays she worked in-- had anything to do with her Alzheimer's.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 she might have not had any chance to develop Alzheimer's naturally, but thanks to the Copper paint used on her in the 5 month period and constant application possibly gave her the doomed fate to develop Alzheimer's. I'm certain she accidentally ingested a small amount she herself wasn't aware of, and contracted Alzheimer's later on.
67 likes@DespacEto115 You are reaching to a degree that strains credulity. Find me a medical report on her condition that directly and irrevocably links it to the make-up that she (and all the other Winkies in the movie) wore, and then we'll talk.
0 likes@DespacEto115 P.S.: She only worked a total of two or three weeks within that five-month period. Remember, she only has twelve minutes of screen time as the Wicked Witch.
0 likes@Double Down please go sub to t teg egg The soul is not gone. My grandmother had Alzheimer's, but she remained happy and upbeat, even when she had to be reminded of her own name. Her soul was intact, and she never lost her faith.
9 likesAlzheimers is messed up.
10 likes@Teddy Furstman Any mental ailment is. But some people who get them are tough, and can bear up under them.
0 likesI mean tbh I rather have Alzheimers than remembering or being apart of the wizard of oz cast, shit sounds like torture
2 likes@Diego_1237 No, just hard work. Margaret Hamilton adored the movie and the people she worked with, and never tired of talking about it. She loved playing the Wicked Witch and reprised the role many times throughout her life, on stage and on television.
3 likesAll the people who worked on that movie were proud of the result.
@MaskedMan66 I said I rather have it I wasn’t talking about them rather having it
2 likes@Diego_1237 So you're saying you wouldn't be proud of being part of a great American classic? They all were.
0 likesIt’s like a penny one side is good and ones bad but in this case it’s bad and bader
0 likesAnd considering that Judy died of a barbiturate overdose, you could probably say that the barbiturate regimen she went through on this film contributed to her death.
12 likes@HotWax93 She didn't go through a "barbiturate regimen" on this film. She had her hair and make-up done at home, then during the eight-hour filming day, she was only allowed by law to work four hours, the rest of her time given to school with the studio tutor and recreation. There was no need for artificial relaxation.
0 likes@Diego_1237 Why wouldn't you?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 It's all right there in the video. Your making hundreds of comments disagreeing with whats right there in the video so why you expect anyone to agree with you?
17 likes@Carl Jackson LOL And of course everything you hear on YouTube must be true, just like the tabloids.
0 likesIt's not a matter for agreement or disagreement. The facts are long-established, and they are laid out in various sources far more reliable than YouTube videos. Find and read the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@Centrist Glass Cannon you do suddenly get it all back in the lead up to your death, it’s called “terminal lucidity”
5 likes@MaskedMan66 As if you can just trust anything on YouTube some random person in the comment section is just saying stuff that can't be proven true or false why would anyone trust you over this youtuber? why should we trust you after everything we've heard? after all you could be lying
11 likes@Sup3rshockwav3 Because this "random person" gives reliable, authoritative sources, namely books by people whose life's work has been researching the production of the movie and the lives of the people who made it.
0 likesThose books are "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz (who interviewed 48 people who worked on the movie, actors and behind-the-scenes personnel alike), "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
John Fricke, by the way, is one of the world's leading authorities on Oz in general and the MGM movie and Judy Garland in particular.
@MaskedMan66 @MaskedMan66 Those books and people could be fake and frankly I don't trust you to give me any good information because you are against the video completely whatever people you site could also be lying or they aren't real and those books could be lying to save face about the production I'd rather trust this video than some random person who claims to "give reliable authoritative sources" whatever that means and who sites book who for all we know could be fake
6 likes@MaskedMan66 Neither are you any of the aspects mentioned no one here will take take your supposed facts by supposed professionals that supposedly exist stop trying your argument is pointless especially against anyone in this comment section no one will change their minds over this or anything else that you say it's pointless
8 likes@Sup3rshockwav3 Real facts by real professionals. Did you miss the words of Margaret Hamilton herself, or are you actively ignoring them?
3 likesJohn Fricke is one of the world's leading authorities on Oz, and has done commentary for DVD releases of the movie as well as writing books about Judy Garland, giving lectures on her and on Oz for decades. Like Mrs. Harmetz-- who interviewed 48 people, as you also seem to be ignoring-- Fricke has spoken with many of the movie's cast and crew while they yet lived.
Jay Scarfone and William Stillman have between them a vast collection of newspaper and magazine articles from the time the movie was made right through to the years since it became a cultural phenomenon. They know their business.
The only thing that is pointless is offering information to a closed mind-- or rather, a mind that has closed itself, having blindly accepted the word of a random video on YouTube. If this doesn't describe you, and you really do want to know about this movie, you'll find and read those books.
@Sup3rshockwav3 P.S.: I never said that I was any of those things. But Mrs. Harmetz and Messrs. Fricke, Scarfone, and Stillman are-- apart from the "level of a god" bit.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I'd rather trust this person with a somewhat trustworthy backround than you and your professionals that may or may not have said anything that you claim they have said that I just met
8 likes@MaskedMan66 Repeating the same thing over and over again won't make me believe you
8 likes@Sup3rshockwav3 Ignoring things-- as I reckon you're ignoring the link to the John Fricke article-- won't help you.
1 likeI've given you new information with every comment. I can only conclude that you're just being a troll. So I'm not going to play this game anymore. Legitimate resources have been pointed out to you-- one with an intro by Margaret Hamilton, another with an intro by Jack Haley, Jr.-- and you are free to read them. If you refuse to, that is your loss.
@MaskedMan66 You've given me nothing but your word and I don't trust your word simple as that why do you have to be right? it makes no difference if you were this entire conversation was pointless regardless
8 likes@Centrist Glass Cannon no. alzheimers and dimentia can change your personality.
0 likes@Double Down please go sub to t teg egg Good thing those are fiction
1 like@True Reaper45 yes
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Stop simping for billionaires
9 likes@Sup3rshockwav3 LOL No, I've not given you my word. I've given you information from film history. If that's not good nough for you, then I wonder how much of anything you haven't seen you even believe.
1 like@Mobius One Nobody involved in the making of "The Wizard of Oz" was a billionaire, and it's a cinch that none of the authors I've cited are either. So I don't know who you think you're talking about.
1 like@MaskedMan66 I mean, that's a good lie I guess, but good try!
5 likes@Mobius One Name me one billionaire out of the people I've been talking about, then. I'll wait.
1 likeMy grandma has Alzheimer and it’s horrible she once forgot how to make some sausages and almost burned the house down she sometimes is ok and sometimes yust forgets everything even asking me who am I it’s horrible and terrifying
1 like@Kurči My paternal grandmother had it as well; the interesting thing was that she knew her limitations and didn't try doing anything that could prove hazardous. She also forgot who her own close relatives were and even had to ask if her name was the one she remembered for herself. But she always kept a good attitude and loved to listen to us talking even if, as she put it, she "wasn't acquainted with" what we were discussing.
1 like@MaskedMan66 whell my grandma is unfortunately that person that thinks she is always right and won’t give up on that she broke the dishwasher last week when she was trying to get it open while the dishes where cleaning but to me she is actually pretty nice and says I’m her favourite nephew and she will always ask me if I’m hungry and bring me cookies even if I’m not but to my mom she is kinda rude sometimes with my grandpa she will always argue with him what to do and she even blamed my mom that she broke the dishwasher all tho we literally saw her brake it she can be pretty nice, yust rude and annoying or yust forget everything and think that her daughter (my mom) is her mom and that my uncle (her son) is her father sometimes she is ok but sometimes she yust forgets who he is and basically she forgets everything like where she lives where she is who she is who are the people she know basically it’s getting worse by the years but also better idk
1 likeThe sheer fact that, unlike Asbestos, Copper Paint was ACTUALLY KNOWN TO BE T.O.X.I.C and they didn't give a single fuck made me sick to my stomach. Will working my way through this, just finished Hamilton's segment.
4 likes@Pikana Margaret Hamilton didn't give a toss about it either, nor did the actors who wore the same make-up to play the Winkies. The copper was what gave the make-up the green color. It's also worth pointing out that people use copper utensils, copper cookware, and wear copper jewelry. If it was as "T.O.X.I.C." as all that, we wouldn't ever go near the stuff.
0 likesMiss Hamilton would tell you to relax and just enjoy the movie.
“Place in the world fades away” was that meant to be a reference to EATEOT?
2 likes@Declan Van Heel A reference to what now?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Everywhere at the end of time
0 likes@Meh animationZ Bader? You mean as in the actor Diedrich Bader?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 had?
0 likes@AnArn B Sorry, what?
0 likesLol. Have you heard of this thing called: dying?
0 likes@gum What are you laughing at?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 L + ratio
1 like@flavorfulsoup We're all allies here; you don't have to speak in code.
0 likesI just got into your channel and I have to say, your writing is really something, it’s incredibly well thought out, and flows very nicely.
1 likeDamn Emp, another incredibly deep and entertaining video. Ironically, you truly do deserve a bigger stage my man
1 likeThe meaning of and history surrounding the book itself is interesting. It was all about bimetallism, an economic policy that would inflate the money supply by adding silver as a commodity to back currency along with the gold standard that was already in existence. Made popular by William Jennings Bryan (whom the Wizard was based on), the policy was enormously popular with farmers and the layman. Also interesting: Oz refers to ounces (common measurement in gold and silver), the slippers in the book were silver, and the Wicked Witch of the East is a metaphor for the East Coast industrialist establishment It is all quite fascinating, really.
1 likeI think "separate the art from the artist" may be the best case for something like Wizard of Oz, though in this case, it's a matter of separating the work from the director and studio behind it. It's sad to see that the actors behind Wizard of Oz never got the compensation the should have deserved for putting their health through such awful torment during the film's production. To me, the actors who suffered on set for Wizard of Oz are the real artists behind it, not the greedy executives or enterprise that funded it.
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They got paid, what are you talking about? And they weren't "put through such awful torment," they just did hard work; that's all Jack Haley ever called it.
0 likesTrivial Fact: The Wizard of Oz book was originally titled as "The Emerald City" but the publishers, who are superstitious, believed that the emerald was a sign of bad luck so they asked Frank to change it. Baum found the name for the fair country drawer on the cabinet file that was named "O - Z". He also named the protagonist Dorothy Gale after his niece who died while writing a book.
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Why is the Emerald considered unlucky?
46 likesFun fact 3: the wizard of oz story is thought to originally be populist propaganda. The emerald city being a metaphor for big industrial cities like NYC. The tin man being a metaphor for a factory worker, the scarecrow being a metaphor for the farmers that couldnt make enough money to support themselves, and the lion being a metaphor for the democratic presidential cantidate William Jennings Brian who could have brought the populist movement to the white house if he was fully committed.
144 likes@DylanA00 sounding like my English Teacher rn
79 likesI find it kinda funny, because my high school marching band was named “The Emerald Aliance”. The year before I joined they did a show called “Wicked” about the Wicked Witch of the West. Just an interesting coincidence.
19 likesMy mom read me that book. It was trippy af
3 likes"Волшебник изумрудного города", how it was called in Soviet Union
12 likesThat’s funny how Seattle is called the Emerald City now.
3 likesAnd?
3 likessad
1 like@Bobby Smith there could be a few reasons. Emeralds will slowly poison you to deatg if you injest them often enough. There used to be a popular clothing dye color called emerald green which was incredibly toxic. Mold is often green.
6 likesSo that's why the Simpsons are green.
4 likes@DylanA00 I don't think so
4 likes@Felipe Jaquez your english teacher sounds based
4 likesSource?
1 likeFun fact the ruby slippers weren't originally ruby, they were silver.
3 likesRuby red shoes have become a symbol to those in Hollywood for the more sinister and nefarious acts that take place there.
A sign that one is part of that club.
@Bobby Smith Kakyoin's stand was Emerald Splash, and see how he ended up
2 likes@Sphere space Fun Fact 4: Years later after receiving letters from Soviet children, Volkov wrote five more books with his own storyline and characters, diverging from that of Baum (he was uninterested in translating more of Baum's books). Thus creating alternate Oz universe.
2 likes@I'm just a guy if you think the original book was trippy try reading the sequels!
1 like@Иван Бирюк There's an alternate Oz universe? Interesting.
3 likes"The Emerald City" was one title Baum considered, and in fact the sixth book in the series was called "The Emerald City of Oz." It wasn't emeralds specifically that publishers had a superstition about; just any gems in general.
2 likesThe story of the filing cabinet has never been confirmed, but as one version of it goes, it was three drawers, labeled A-H, I-N, and O-Z.
Dorothy Gage didn't die while writing a book; she was only a baby.
@Bobby Smith Not emeralds in particular; the superstition that book publishers used to have pertained to all gemstones.
1 like@DylanA00 That's all rubbish, cooked up by a college professor in the 1960's. The Scarecrow was based on a recurring nightmare Baum had as a child, while the Tin Woodman came from his fascination with tin toys.
2 likes@Igor Ivanov Never heard the bit about red shoes.
1 like@Mr. Friendship There are hundreds of them.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Thanks for clearing this up.
1 like@Mr. Friendship You're welcome! The very first adaptation of "Wizard" was a stage musical that began in Chicago in 1902 and soon went to Broadway and became a massive hit. Baum himself was in on the planning stages, which may surprise some people given the huge number of alterations to the story. For just a few examples, Dorothy was aged to 19 so she could have an innocent romance with an Ozite poet called Sir Dashemoff Daily (get it?), she traveled to Oz not with a dog, but with a cow, and the Wizard was actually a full-blown villain.
1 like@Bobby Smith who knows? Superstitious stuff never really makes sense once you actually try to learn how things work.
1 like@DylanA00 >>"populist"
0 likesaka "not my democracy" kind of democracy
I remember the first time I watched this video, I didn’t want it to end. This is such a well made video but I’m not gonna write a whole essay about it. I’m instead gonna watch it again for like the 5th time
1 likeEdit: Just got done watching it again. Still such an amazing video
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Same lol
0 likesThis movie always was special to me. Was my mom’s favourite movie and I remember watching the old 80s VHS and then we got the DVD collection when they first did that. But it was one of the few very early movie’s I genuinely loved. It may have some really fucked up things behind the scenes but I’ll still love the movie
1 likeThe people freaking out about how "nightmarish" this production was have never been in any kind of acting gig.
0 likesI worked in local theater (as in REAL people on a stage not films) and the number of people I met with chemical dependencies, serious mental issues, and suicidal costumes someone wore quintupled every month.
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I've never known a costume that wanted to kill itself.
0 likesIt's incredible that you pulled the ending anecdote out of your recollection when you were writing the epilogue of this video. I aspire to be as talented as you are as a writer someday.
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He pulled it out of somewhere...
0 likesIronic how a film about exposing the man behind the curtain ultimately loses its magic once you look behind its own curtains.
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Behind closed curtains
32 likesIndeed. It really does drive the point home that even productions of movies as beautiful as The Wizard of Oz don't go off without a hitch.
135 likesJust like Hollywood. 😃
63 likesAlso just like a company with a similar motto, Disney
40 likesIt adds to the brilliance of the film somehow
23 likesJust like Toy Story 2's famous line, "you can't rush art".
33 likesThe more some things change, the more others stay the same...
8 likesLots of parody’s huh
0 likesI owned the VHS with an hour or so of production features post-credits and yep, it's no secret that this groundbreaking technicolor marvel came inches from ending several lives. From the Tin Man's toxic powder, the massive lion suit, flammable make-up on the witch during the "vanishing" sequence. It sounded traumatizing.
13 likesStill one of the few musicals I can stand, though, so there's that.
The magic was never lost for Judy Garland, Margaret Hamilton, Ray Bolger, or any of the people who worked on it. ANY movie is hard to make, but once you see the result, usually it makes all the effort worth it. That certainly was the case with "Wizard."
1 like@MaskedMan66 Bruh Judy Garland straight-up suffered physical and psychological abuse on set. That's more than just a little hiccup
16 likesi dont know about that, it is still a magical film and those apart of it made something wonderful.
4 likesdismissing that would be dismissing their sacrifices to achieve it.
@Sir Grim Locksmith VIII She suffered no such thing. She only worked for four hours a day and was great friends with her co-workers. If anyone maltreated her, you may be sure that either Victor Fleming or Mervyn LeRoy would have made sure that person was fired.
1 like@ReaverCity Exactly! Margaret Hamilton easily suffered the most of anyone on that project, and she adored the movie for the rest of her life. She even played the Wicked Witch many more times, both on stage and on television.
2 likesThere is no such thing as lost magic... Magic comes from emotion, pain is an emotion
0 likes@Turbo Strawberry What?
0 likesAnd who runs Hollywood? What do most of the producers and executives have in common
6 likesIn Dory Previn's autobiography she recalls how in the fifties it was common for big stars including Garland to be undergoing treatment in a psychiatric hospital and go into work as if they were fine. The novel 'Valley of the Dolls' accurately portrays all the stars' addiction to drugs. The scene where a star shuts herself in her dressing room for an hour or so is based on when Garland did the same but for three days.
0 likes5:19 "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy/Fairies" from Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker ballet.
0 likes7:15 "Habanera" from Georges Bizet's Carmen.
9:55 Danse Macabre by Camille Saint-Saens.
It's mindboggling how this dude can make absolutely any topic interesting
1 likeWell and truly able to make magic
Listen to the tapes of Judy toward the end of her life that she recorded for an autobiography. Her drunken drugged up rants about the industry are eye opening, such a tortured soul after the ringer she was out through by the evil s.o.b.s in Hollyweird
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Where can I find these tapes? Are they available on YouTube? This sounds so interesting!
41 likes@P M They are all in this playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF2932280AE5133F7
90 likesboozed up druggies say alot of things to be taken with a grain of salt.
23 likes@they_them sheep! Think for yourself.
22 likes@Damien what?
7 likes@Damien Found the troll guys!
30 likesPay no attention to this one, he's not worth it
@they_them yeah, you're gonna get a lock of flak for that opinion but it's the truth. Addicts are some of the most smooth talking people I've ever come across.
6 likeswtf is this normie argument. Give me the tapes! im making a remix
4 likesIt actually gets worse Judy's daughter who also became an actor later Cut Her Off from her life in fact the doorman to Garland's daughter's apartment would say that Garland's daughter does not want to see her mother right now
1 like@3g0st of course, but statistically speaking addicts are full of shit WAY more often than non-addicts. if you’ve spent anytime around them you would know this.
12 likesand that doesn’t mean they’re not worthy of respect, or that they’re liars. but factually speaking, addicts are in one of the most desperate situations that humanity can face. so yes, sometimes they’re going to lie to get what they want/need.
I prefer to call it pedollywood
7 likesjudy was used and abused all her life and no one helped her. 😡
0 likes5 different actors have came out and admitted that the majority of what Chris Kappy said was true....
0 likesi highly recommend you listen to the podcast "you must remember this" about judy garland.
1 likeJudy lashed out at a lot of people in her later years, whether she had just cause to or not. She also told a lot of lies.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 shhhh
0 likes@Kirby Arroyo No.
0 likes@High Council Are you talking about Liza or Lorna? Because neither of them ever did that.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I believe it was Liza it was because her mother's alcoholism gotten to the point she didn't want to deal with it anymore
0 likes@High Council Judy's relationships with a lot of people became strained in her later years. But blood is thicker than booze, and Liza, along with her siblings Lorna and Joey Luft, always speaks of their mother with fondness and nostalgia. I imagine after her own struggles, Liza gained a new empathy for what her mum had to deal with.
0 likesIs Bollywood just as bad? Yeah, but more dangerous? Definitely! Nepotism is fine but not perfect, but preventing an actual newcomer from entering Bollywood is the real problem. I’ve been watching Tried and Refused productions videos for months now.
0 likes@Slapstick Genius I know little about the behind-the-scenes doings of Bollywood, but as for danger, I remember seeing a sequence with a crowd of men dancing on top of a moving train (and no, it wasn't done with Special FX)!
0 likesThis was a dark yet interesting look into the behind the scenes of Wizard of Oz as well as Hollywood itself. Thank you, EmpLemon.
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It was also largely exaggerated, and in some cases entirely wrong.
0 likesGreat video! Only thing I would like to point that newer studies on Pyramids of Giza has shown that the pyramid is dated closer to 12,000 old which is roughly same age as Göbekli Tepe in Turkey.
0 likesThere is also found a lot of water marks around pyramid (and in Sphinx) which indicates the builders perhaps used some kind of water system to build it.
This video is a benchmark for the line 'great art isn't achieved without great suffering'. Vincent Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, Nikola Tesla to name a few: all had rough upbringings to make pieces that would surpass their own existence.
2 likesMy mother hates this movie with a fiery passion she thinks it’s creepy and frankly I don’t really blame her for thinking that one time years ago I was surfing through the guide on the tv and found the wizard of oz and I said hey mommy your favorite movie is on and she said what and I said the wizard of oz and she said NOT IN MY HOUSE!!!!!!! Her actual favorite movie is Forrest Gump and honestly I think Forrest Gump is the greatest movie ever made in its genre
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What's her problem?
0 likes@Goku KAMEHAMEHA but to be fair, i guess your mother does owns a point because of Wizard of Oz own a horrible quote: "Only ugly peoples are evil"
0 likesIm with her on this point, all horrible things made in the production aside, the movie just feels so fucking weird, how can someone like that shit? just looks like a twisted up dark movie blended as a child's film
0 likesAlso the production of this movie was cursed beyond belief look it up the guy who originally played the tin man was essentially poisoned buy the makeup which was made of pure aluminum dust then 9 days after filming started he was hospitalized sitting under an oxygen tent but because he wasn’t getting better fast enough they hired another actor to play the tin man and instead of using the makeup they mixed it into a paste and he ended getting a terrible infection in his eye from it thank god it was treatable Toto got stepped on because the movie was the first to be filmed in technicolor the set was suffocatingly hot the witch got third degree burns on her face during a botched take of when Dorothy splashed water on her not to mention her broom caught fire at point the scarecrow had to wear a mask that made it so he couldn’t sweat that ended up with him having permanent lines on his face Judy Garland pretty much lived like slave only allowed one meal a day and was forced to take barbiturates to keep up with the pace of filming which had a obviously detrimental effect on her health between takes the munchkins got drunk and brawled the cowardly lion’s costume was made out of actual lion hide and weighed about 90lbs it didn’t allow for much ventilation so the actor was constantly sweating it got so bad that it took 2 assistants to dry the costume every night while filming the famous slap seen between Dorothy and the lion Judy garland couldn’t stop giggling and after several ruined takes the director took her aside and slapped her across the face and told her to go in there and work the next take she did it perfectly and Judy may have been molested by the munchkins the witches stunt double spent months in the hospital after a prop broom exploded the actor who played the lion wasn’t allowed to eat while in makeup since it was so difficult to apply but eventually he put his foot down and requested a makeup redo after lunch they almost cut over the rainbow Toto got paid yes you read that right he got paid more than most munchkins Judy earned much less than her friends aka the other actors so yeah like I said cursed as hell
0 likes@NyahJzt - Troll.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I'm not
0 likes@Goku KAMEHAMEHA Buddy Ebsen wasn't poisoned, and the aluminum powder was part of his make-up, not all of it. It was two weeks into filming, and it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be able to continue. After he had spent two weeks in hospital and a further month at home, MGM cast him in two more movies, which both came out in the same year as "Wizard."
0 likesJack Haley got over his eye infection-- which wasn't "terrible," just painful-- in four days, and eye infections can be triggered by just about anything.
"Toto got stepped on because the movie was the first to be filmed in technicolor" What's that supposed to mean? Terry's paw was stepped on and sprained, requiring a double for her until she got back two weeks later. She fared a lot better than one of the dogs who played Toto in "The Wiz": that dog got killed.
"(T)he witch got third degree burns on her face during a botched take of when Dorothy splashed water on her" Would you please explain how water would burn her? Never mind, don't bother; Margaret Hamilton's injury (third degree burns to her right hand and second degree burns to her face) occurred on the Munchkin City set when she was making her exit. She survived and got on with her work because she loved playing the character, which was a huge change from the spinsters and schoolmarms she usually played. Back to the melting scene, her broom was supposed to be set alight so she could set fire to the Scarecrow's arm.
Most people who wear prosthetic appliances even today find their pores closed up and unable to sweat; that's the nature of prosthetics. Ray Bolger wore the Scarecrow's laugh lines for several months, but not permanently.
Judy ate three meals a day; they just consisted of less food than she was used to eating-- which was a lot. She didn't particularly enjoy it, but she wanted to reduce, so she dealt with it. And you say she was "forced to take barbiturates to keep up with the pace of filming." Again, would you please explain how relaxants were supposed to help her "keep up with the pace?" Judy only worked for four hours a day and had plenty of natural energy, and she wasn't forced to do anything.
(You know, punctuation marks are your friends, and they'd be happy to help you.)
None of the Singer Midgets got drunk on the set; it would have meant instant dismissal. SOME of them went out to bars after hours, but even there they did not get into brawls.
Bert Lahr's costume-- and bear in mind that people have been wearing animal skin and fur ever since we've been wearing anything-- was 70 pounds, which was quite enough for him. There were vents in the costume which were opened whenever there was a break, which was every half hour or so.
Judy was not molested by anybody, and it's really disgusting how people are so bigoted against the Singer Midgets.
Betty Danko didn't spend months in the hospital, she spent eleven days.
Lahr was allowed to eat, of course he was allowed to eat. But after a time of having to deal with his make-up having to get repaired after every time he did (that was nothing he had to "put his foot down" for, it was just a natural thing), he opted instead to have milkshakes and suchlike for meals. Oddly enough, he actually gained weight while making the movie.
The near-removal of "Over the Rainbow" scarcely counts as part of your alleged "curse."
Terry did not get paid. Her trainer Carl Spitz, a specialist, was paid $125.00 a week for the five months he worked on the film. The Singer Midgets, who were extras, got paid $100.00 a week for the few weeks they were filming, except for Mickey Carroll, who, thanks to Zeppo Marx of the Marx Brothers, got $500.00 a week.
Of course Judy got paid less; she had only been with MGM for three years. You see, in those days, it didn't matter if you were the headliner; you were paid according to the terms of your contract, and by that time, Judy's contract, which had started at $100.00 a week, had grown to $500.00 a week. It was to have increased to $750.00 a week in 1940, but when "Wizard" proved her marketability, her old contract was torn up and a new one issued which started her in 1940 at $2000.00 a week.
As for the rest of the main cast, they had all been in showbiz longer than Judy (indeed, Lahr's and Frank Morgan's careers had begun before Judy was born), so naturally they got more.
So much for the movie being "cursed." Why don't you look into the films during the making of which people were actually maimed (like Milla Jovovich's stunt double Olivia Jackson in "Resident Evil: The Final Chapter"), paralyzed (like Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double David Holmes in "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows"), and killed (like Vic Morrow, Myca Dinh-Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen in "Twilight Zone: The Movie")?
@UCJ8-kc3kqfchXG_yRI9e6lA number one never call me bigoted because I’m not I’m a humanist I see no difference in anybody to me everyone should have the same rights no matter there race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, disabilities, and what have you to me no one is any less of human in fact I happen to be short myself and have been made fun of because if it I’m about 5”0 now number 2 the line Toto was stepped because the studio was suffocatingly hot was meant to be read as if there was a friggin coma between stepped and because sod for brains number 3 the lion costume was in fact so heavy and hot that at the end of the day it 2 assistants to completely dry it out number 4 did you not read what I said about Judy I said she MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN VIOLATED it hasn’t been confirmed number 5 the other actors all said that the munchkins got drunk and brawled Number 6 the aluminum paint used on the first actor that played the tin man basically poisoned him because it coated his lungs and put him under an oxygen tent after which he was left with permanent bronchitis number 7 go do your research before calling me an idiot and saying punctuation is your friend they’d be happy to help you out what do you think I am an imbecile cause if you do TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND NEVER CALL ME BIGOTED AGAIN BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOUR GOING TO BE MASSACRED WITH WORDS YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
1 like@Goku KAMEHAMEHA Again, punctuation is your friend, and using it will make your comments a lot clearer; if you want things to be "read as if there was a friggin coma (sic)" there, then put a friggin' comma there.
0 likesAs you've said nothing new as regards the movie, all that I already wrote still stands; Judy was not molested, Buddy Ebsen was not poisoned (he was born with a congenital bronchial condition), I never called you an idiot, nor did I say you were bigoted. I said that some people were bigoted against the Singer Midgets. If you aren't, then why think you are among those people?
I must say, I had to laugh when you told me to do research, because what I wrote is the result of decades of research, hugely informed by the research of Oz historians and the books they wrote. Read these books for the whole story and the real truth of the matter: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
It’s good but Forrest and Jenny? You kiddin me, she was the town bicycle
0 likes@MaskedMan66 the problem is this movie promotes abuse and don't you spread false info, this movie needs to be cancelled!
0 likes@Moon Knight ?
0 likesHollywood's existence in general seems like a big mistake we made as a species
4 likesVery sad story for the making of one the all-time greatest films. It might be a timeless masterpiece but no one deserved to deal with all of this physical and emotional pain.
0 likesI’m glad this is the most viewed film of all time, at least the sacrifices meant something, but it’s crazy what people will do for fame..I suppose if it’s what is important to you and you achieve it, that has to count for something.
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It wasn't a case of anyone "doing anything for fame," because most of them were already famous; Bert Lahr and Frank Morgan had careers stretching back to before Judy Garland was born. It was just hard work.
1 likeIt's so interesting how the historical standing of an artwork is so often directly aligned with the suffering of their creation.
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There wasn't as much suffering as some would want you to believe. Buddy Ebsen did have his difficulties which knocked him on his back and out of the picture. Margaret Hamilton did get burned, but did not let it knock her out of the picture. It was hard work under hot lights. But otherwise it was business as usual.
0 likesimagine checking the guy who ruined your sense of humor with YTPs and seeing him make videos that has higher quality than documentaries nowadays
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That's some good character development.
255 likes@刀卂尺长丅丫丫尸 Thats a good story arc.
118 likesBut þis IS a documentary, I don't see how it fails þat definition.
47 likes@黑龍 - Hắc Long SPEAK ENGLISH
33 likesSorry, what?
3 likesI use to come to Emplemon for his youtube poops 6 years ago. And then all of a sudden he woke me up to the realization of big corporations making videos daily with millions of subscribers, that's what woke me up to that realization. Since then I've subscribed to him and never left. I'm still ashamed I never looked at his Top 10 YTPers to check out until 2019 and such. And even then it was too little too late.
41 likes@Blaze404 þat is English though but you don’t seem to know about the letter þ or thorn as it’s pronounced
20 likes@mixed narwhal I know the letter but like no need to use it and I forgot he meaning
8 likes@Blaze404 the thorn would be used for replacing the th but I think it was the French who couldn’t pronounce it so the thorn was replaced with th so if you use the thorn when typing or writing it would be þorn
7 likes@黑龍 - Hắc Long No one said it fails that definition. They said it's a higher quality
2 likes@黑龍 - Hắc Long did you just seriously use thorns in place of th.... dude stop this is cringe
9 likes@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username Looks like we found the theater kid.
1 like@NitroNinja24 Oh look the redditor exposed himself
4 likes@meme meme ig Try that again when you have a profile picture.
6 likesgood story 11/10
1 like@Blaze404 They are speaking English, never heard of þhis letter?
2 likes@Tangerine Paint I know those letters but they are stupid
6 likesScaffrillas: can’t be me
1 like@Blaze404 that made me laugh so hard xd
1 likeyeah
1 likeIt's incredible how a single letter can start an argument
7 likesThat pb looking letter is a Thorn, an old English letter for the -th sound.
0 likes@Blaze404 just like all letters are stupid, yet we have them
1 likeyou mean improve your sense of humor.
0 likes@Immolator772 yes
1 likeRuined? More like e n h a n c e d
1 like@MaskedMan66 EMP Lemon used to make Youtube Poops before he started doing commentaries for a little bit, then he switched over to doing documentaries about the various facets of Internet and Pop Culture.
0 likes@Snazzy Jovial Wyrm Thanks; this whole thread is terribly confusing.
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0 likesas someone who has an advanced degree in writing and with many friends who do it professionally, know that EmpLemon is absolutely a prodigy in crafting and telling a story. His skill in this area goes beyond what most people achieve in their life, never mind that he's honed it during his early 20s.
0 likesthe good ending
0 likes@TRGB His research, however, leaves much to be desired.
0 likesThe Keeps AD was entertaining for these reasons:
3 likes•It is self-aware about EmpLemon doing yet another AD for Keeps.
• It is a spot-on parody of the Tornado and the Wizard head scenes from the movie.
• Once the AD was over, the tone changes from light-hearted to serious.
The amount of effort in the video, even this AD really shows.
You've got a classical overload in this video, and I love it. Bizet, Saint-Säens, and Beethoven, all of whom I heard bits and pieces of just casually watching.
0 likesIf this is what happens during production
22 likesImagine the stories we are not hearing
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Much of what this video says is either exaggerated or false. The real story can be read in these books: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 ./.
1 likeI should think that what we're not hearing is about the times when there were long waits while things were getting set up or something that had gone wrong was being fixed. Also, they would have to stop filming when it was time for Judy to go to school, and there would be Bolger, Haley, and Lahr having to "while away the" time until she got back. As it was a couple of hours usually, they'd be able to take off their costumes and chill in their bungalow.
0 likesreminded me of bts of the room
0 likesIt's amazing to see how the internet both murdered and revived the essayist. I wouldn't be surprised if this wave of high quality video essays are considered a legitimate movement of literature.
0 likesI like how this guy talks about anything he wants to, unlike the trendy topic YouTubers (no disrespect meant to them tho). EmpLemon takes his commentary on topics to a more creative level than most other people on this platform.
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1 like@AxxL no.
20 likesthats why we love him
1 like@McmTJ I like how you managed to misspell a word that doesn't even exist.
19 likesEach video he makes feels different from his others ones, different editing styles, tone, subjects and etc. High quality channel right here.
4 likes@Tricky Trey Perfected the conscoomer vs the chad producer
1 likeJewtube wouldn’t be that bad if you could actually voice an opinion.
1 likeHe always said that he did his videos because he wanted to make them, now his efforts are being more rewarded than they used to be
3 likesSolar Sands is basically "EmpLemon 2"
2 likes@Ben Weaver real cool guy over there am i right
0 likes"We doin' Nascar today? We doin' Nascar today."
0 likesTo be fair, YouTube tends to punish most channels who try to do anything but focus on trendy topics or specific niches.
5 likesAnother great video! I'm facinated with the Wizard of Oz and everything that surround its production. Your channel is awesome btw. I just discovered it and been binge watching it since then. Cheers from Brazil.
1 likeI'm related to Margaret Hamilton and I was told it was lead paint. She had to hire someone to feed her bread when she went on break during the filming of, "The Wizard of Oz." Thank you so much for this video documentary EmpLemon. It's really sad to hear not that much has changed in the movie industry now going after U.S. veterans and special access programs through the D.O.D. for their content. "You never know when the next big block buster you see in theater was inspired by the Pentagon, or cia."
0 likesMan, I remember the old days when you did funny ytps. You’ve really changed the channel around. But hey, it’s not a bad change. Good to see you still going good.
1 likeYou made me frustrated with your video on operation red herring, and then after a year I watch your video and you don't stop amazing me. I think it's a beautiful thing to know that human beings can be astonishingly impressed at such brilliant creations. I may have had some points I disagreed on with you, but for what it's worth, I think you are a genius.
0 likesIf I only had keeps sponsorship...
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hi rusty
14 likesri husty
15 likesbro we are friends. bro. i love you bro we are ki...ssing. bro....
21 likesI can imagine you actually living in a place that looks like that on the outside
2 likeshi rusty
2 likesLove you rusty
1 likeRusty plz visit my famil in India we love u plz I kiss urs
3 likesI swear I recognised your voice! Amazing to see you active on youtube again 😊
1 likePlease do not buy Keeps. The active ingredient, minoxidil is not good for you
3 likesAre you bald
1 like@David Gonzales i am
0 likesAre you the one that asked for the Al Joleson reference in the video?
0 likes@Romantic Innkeeper of Gran Soren but having hair is cool
2 likesI've been wondering the longest time now. ARE YOU TWO THE SAME PERSON?
2 likeshi rusty
1 likeOh shit you turned me into a scitsophrenic!
1 likeWho are you even?
1 likeAt least your residence is better than sr pelo one
0 likesAre you a part of the “Mothers against Rusty Cage” Facebook group?
1 like@The Electric Cheese Productions yeah...it’s called Florida
1 likerusty cage still exists???..... why?
1 likeVery unlucky, he shows up as a different character every time, and each on of them gets absorbed in the downward spiral.
3 likesWizardy
0 likes@zashbot hold on bro.... what bro...
1 likeOutstanding singing dude 👏👏👏👏👏👍
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0 likesLol hasbeen if he very was
0 likesHey rusty hope you're doing well with your alcoholism :))
0 likesBro you actually have a really beautiful singing voice wtf
0 likeseh ive been instead useing spiro, estrogen, and weed. my hair's doing wonderfully....
0 likesIh
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0 likes@Blue_Man oppo
0 likesHi person I don't know
1 likeThe transition to your explanation of art and immortality with Any Color You Like in the background was a flawless execution dude, props.
1 likeI love these videos man, you’re definitely my new favorite YouTuber. You’re like a better chiller vsauce, Interesting and informing
2 likesAmazing video, loved the ending a lot, and it actually made me tear up.
0 likesi think the worst part about this is that pretty much everything that caused the team harm was completely unnecessary
8 likesso many things were completely avoidable if things were done just barely different
It’s ironic to me how Return To Oz, the much darker film of the two, had far better conditions for its actors and actresses than Wizard Of Oz, the supposedly cheerier and friendlier one.
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People here will not agree because they like to sh*t on Hollywood at every turn, but things did improve, which is why conditions are better now. Old Hollywood was brutal though.
120 likesI liked Return to Oz better because it was much closer to the books than the 1939 MGM movie.
37 likesRtO wasn't connected to MGM's "Wizard." And much of what this video tells is regurgitated rumor and lies.
1 like@Melissa Cooper I've always thought that it was the most authentic bit of Oz ever filmed, with the possible exception of L. Frank Baum's own Oz movies.
2 likes@Jimmy McNulty Which ones are you talking about?
1 like@MaskedMan66 the attractive ones that can't act. Most of them. Not the Steve Buscemis or James Gandolfini types.
0 likesLook at the Harvey Weinsten story and tell me I'm wrong
@Jimmy McNulty Weinstein wasn't an acting coach. In any case, there are also gorgeous people who are excellent performers (Angie Jolie comes to mind), and there are average-looking people who are lousy at it, yet still get work.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 gotta provide source bro
0 likes@Flaherty A source for what?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 A source for your claims of this video being false.
0 likes@Lake of Crystalclan Glad to. If doing some genuine research doesn't frighten you away, as it has some people, then read the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesIt kind of helps that most of the cast are either puppets or stop motion.
0 likes@Kyle Morello Not really; who do you think had to operate those puppets?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 true. The Gump certainly looks complex. As does Pumpkinhead
0 likesI guess what I'm trying to say is using other mediums helped in terms of being safer and making the fantasy elements feel more authentic.
0 likes@Pwn3r I wouldn't say that things are better now. There are still accidents, and far worse ones than befell anybody in the MGM Wizard. For a start, nobody died making that movie, which sadly can't be said for a lot of actors and crew in many movies and T.V. shows since.
1 like@Kyle Morello The Gump was animatronic with perhaps a little human assistance down under the sofa; I don't know how many people operated it in all.
0 likesJack was brought to life both as a rod puppet with animatronic features and fingers, and by a man in a suit for scenes of Jack walking and running, which would have been too complicated for the puppet.
@MaskedMan66 oh. Then, yeah, much safer.
0 likes@Kyle Morello Well, as safe as anybody can be running around on a movie set with a pumpkin on his head. ;-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 wizard of oz promoted abuse
0 likes@acacia I've watched The Wizard of Oz more times than I can count, and there's nothing in it that promotes abuse or mistreatment of any kind.
1 like@MaskedMan66 but there are a lot
0 likes@MaskedMan66 It sounds like you can't count very damn high!
0 likes@Shelby Seelbach I watched it every year from the early 70's to when they stopped the annual broadcasts in the 80's, then saw several revivals at theaters and even went to an outdoor showing (at which Margaret Pellegrini and Clarence Swenson appeared), as well as dozens of viewings on tape and DVD.
0 likesSo how about you tell us what in the movie itself promotes abuse?
@MaskedMan66 Please tell me where I said anything about that at all? I'll wait.
0 likes@Shelby Seelbach You didn't, but you seemed to be agreeing with "Richard Anderson," who did, since your first remark addressed to me was in response to my answer to him when he said, "wizard of oz promoted abuse."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Please point out where I "seemed to be agreeing" with anyone. Give me the quote of what I said that led you to believe I was agreeing with someone else's comment. I'll wait.
0 likes@Shelby Seelbach Good grief, man, can't you read? All right then, what were you talking about?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You said you've seen Wizard of Oz more times than you can count. I responded that it seems like you can't count very high then. How has that confused you so much? It was a simple one sentence response that made a direct statement.
0 likes@Shelby Seelbach In that case, your remark doesn't make any sense at all. It's an ordinary expression to say that something you've seen or heard "more times than you can count" means that you've seen or heard it innumerable times.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 How high can you count?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You have literally tried to give meanings to both my words and your words that they don't actually have. So damn funny.
0 likes@Shelby Seelbach Learn about figures of speech and just learn to deal with them.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 No thank you. Learn to count higher.
0 likesIt seriously blows my mind how little context people who complain about contemporary issues today have for just how far we've come.
0 likesThere's not a single institution in the west that would ever treat anyone like these actors and society is so unassuming and broadly accepting no one is ever expected to deal with it if they are subjected to psychological torture like this in some fluke of society.
Im not saying everyone should shut up about issues in the modern era, there's no shortage of them and we shouldn't just not care because it was worse before, it's just annoying how many young voices in particular complain like we are still as bad as this video showed 1930's America like they have any business or wisdom making that judgement.
Super cool video! You are so good at just totally breaking down any topic you talk about. Keep up the great work dude.
0 likesWhat started off as a dark behind recounting of the og Wizard of Oz production ended up being an analyzes of the deepest desires of humankind: the desire for immortality. Amazing.
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Which wasn't really what it was all about. Most of the people involved were already famous and had already made movies; "Wizard" was Jack Haley's 35th big screen production, for instance. Besides which, nobody had any inkling of what the future held for that movie. And nothing was "dark," it was just hard work, like any movie.
0 likesi knew there was some controversy surrounding the movie, but I never knew the extent of how bad it really was this is horrifying I feel so bad for all these people...
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They wouldn't want to be pitied, and things weren't as bad as this video paints them. Here are some books for your perusal; they contain the unvarnished, yet unsensationalized, facts: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 idk man getting a child addicted to amphetamines is pretty bad even without all the other stuff
2 likes@Kuzz It would be, but Judy's addictions didn't begin until adulthood.
0 likes"Oh yeah, the Cowardly Lion must've sucked wearing all that fur."
2291 likes*looks at the Wicked Witch and Tin Man, remembering this is the age of lead-lined paint*
Oh...oh God
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Very powerful
33 likesThe make-up was not lead-lined.
8 likesI remember that the make-up that Margaret Hamilton wore had copper in it.
17 likes@MaskedMan66 still, paint generally had lead in it back then, no way the face paints had anything good for you in them either. Go figure, also metals.
99 likes@Slender Man 186 Considering the fact that actors have been wearing greasepaint (main component: oil) on stage and screen since the 1860's and nobody's brought up any particular health concerns from it, I'd say nobody in "Wizard" was the least bit worried. And of course, nobody had any aftereffects.
8 likes@MaskedMan66 ya know, except for the lung damage from the aluminum face paint and Alzheimer’s onset by the copper face paint. There were definitely concerns raised about it, as shown in this video.
54 likes@Slender Man 186 While that's true, not everyone suffered from the effects of the paint. Who knows, people 100 years from today might say our paint was toxic too and we just don't notice it.
6 likes@Hannah BG except it doesn’t take a wizard to figure out that breathing in metals is bad for your health. Hell, lead has been known to be toxic since before the Roman Empire.
18 likes@Slender Man 186 Yes, I know that. They just used it because they were stupid and greedy. Other film makers and directors wouldn't most likely disagree with the usage of it.
0 likes@Hannah BG Greasepaint is not the same thing as house paint or model paint.
0 likes@Slender Man 186 Aluminum has been used for the storing and cooking of food since 1903. So far, that hasn't changed.
1 like@MaskedMan66 oh excuuuse me, it was aluminum powder, that was being used as face paint. Injesting copper has been linked to Alzheimer’s striking earlier than normal, just because it took 50 years for it to form doesn’t mean it’s not related. By that same logic, smoking has no link to cancer since it takes roughly 40 years for the cancer to develop. And no, aluminum cans never come in contact with food or drink in a major way, there’s always a protective plastic layer inside cans, and aluminum foil similarly has two layers to prevent aluminum oxide from getting into your food.
14 likes@Slender Man 186 No, the paint was greasepaint, whose primary component is oil. Now, when Jack Haley took over the role, the make-up was modified to an aluminum paste, but guess what? Haley suffered no ill effects from that (apart from an eye infection of the sort that can be caused by anything getting into a person's eye, and which cleared up in four days), certainly no lasting effects.
0 likesI didn't say anything about aluminum cans, but I suspect you've heard of aluminum foil, which does indeed touch the food that's stored and/or cooked in it. But as you've brought them up, I've never encountered an aluminum can comprised of anything but aluminum.
So I take it you've seen a medical report on Margaret Hamilton proving beyond all shadow of doubt that the make-up she wore (which was the same make-up worn by all the Winkies in the movie) was directly and irrevocably linked to her mental deterioration. No? Then don't act as if you have. You're joining the rest of the tinfoil hat brigade by trying to make such connections.
@MaskedMan66 greasepaint That had oxidized copper and aluminum in it to give it the green/silver color. So we’re now just blatantly ignoring the lung problems caused by the aluminum face paint for both actors that used it?
12 likesYou brought up food being stored in aluminum, not me. So you’ve never seen a modern soda can? Because all of those have a plastic lining in them, aluminum foil also has a layer to prevent aluminum poisoning. Trying reading the comment you’re responding to, I’ve already brought this up.
“Tinfoil hat brigade” tf are you even talking about? You can’t even be consistent, one second your talking about aluminum being used in storing food, the next you’re saying you never brought it up.
@Slender Man 186 Buddy Ebsen was born with a bronchial condition; the aluminum powder which was dusted on (not in) the oil-based greasepaint (which actors have worn for centuries and still do) didn't cause his problems. Margaret Hamilton experienced no breathing difficulties.
0 likes"You brought up aluminum being stored in food"
LOL No, I brought up FOOD being stored in ALUMINUM, and I never denied that. You were the one who brought cans into the confab. (I think you need to re-read my comments) And on that subject, the last aluminum soda can I crushed and pulled apart (last week) was just like all the other ones I've disposed of in like manner: aluminum through and through with not a trace of plastic. So I don't know where you get yours from.
The "tinfoil hat brigade" is a term used to describe conspiracy theorists and crackpots of the sort who will fashion such headgear in order to receive transmissions from extraterrestrial or extradimensional beings whom they believe to be running our world. They come up with crazy ideas like, for instance, something an actor wore for a movie role causing him or her physical or mental problems half a century after the fact.
@MaskedMan66 I’ve worn grease paint, it didn’t have aluminum in it, stop acting like that’s a component in every grease paint, neither is copper. I never claimed Margaret had breathing difficulties, I mentioned how she developed Alzheimer’s and how copper ingestion is linked to it.
5 likesYes yes, I f**ked up and mixed up aluminum and food, lol rofl kek, mainly due to the stupidity of your comment. You bring up how aluminum is used in storing foods, I bring up how those methods require a protective layer to prevent the user from accidentally poisoning themselves, and you denied ever bringing it up like a crazy person, that’s exactly what happened, and now you’ve flip flopped again. Keep you story straight for more than one comment dude.
I know what a tinfoil hat wearer is, why are you even using that term to begin with? Go figure inhaling metals would lead to the worsening of preexisting health problems, especially when it was already shown with the previous tin man that used the face paint that it definitely caused breathing issues, that’s hardly a stretch. It’s also not a stretch to assume that the copper face paint is what caused the Alzheimer’s when the link between the two was already proven, and from what I could find the actress had no family history of Alzheimer’s either. It doesn’t matter that the base of the paint was oil, it still had metal in it that was being inhaled. I mean ffs this isn’t rocket surgery. Yes, medical problems can develop years and even decades after the incident that caused them, this isn’t anything new, lead poisoning takes a similarly long time to develop depending on the dosage.
@Slender Man 186 That clinches it: you've only skimmed my comments. I made it quite clear earlier that greasepaint's main component is oil.
0 likesI quote you to you again: "So we’re now just blatantly ignoring the lung problems caused by the aluminum face paint for both actors that used it?"
"Both actors." So yes, you did say that Margaret had breathing difficulties.
I've maintained all along that aluminum foil has been used for the storing and cooking of food, with no intermediate layer of anything between it and the food. If you know what a tinfoil hat wearer is, then why the heck did you ask?
Again, Buddy Ebsen's bronchial condition was not caused by the aluminum powder, just aggravated by it. He was born with a congenital bronchial condition. Born with it. Thirty years before he played the Tin Woodman, he already had a bronchial condition. Got it now?
You show me a medical report on Margaret Hamilton's Alzheimer's which directly links it to the make-up she wore a half century before, and then we'll talk. And you'd best look into the medical history of the men who played her soldiers, as they wore the same formulation. Because at the moment, you're just speculating.
@Slender Man 186 dude. They didn't use house paint in a major motion picture for face makeup
1 like@grey. I know, but the point still stands. Lead was known to be toxic since Ancient Rome, yet it was still used to paint houses thousands of years later, even though it was known that the paint would chip away and be consumed by something, usually small kids who thought it tasted good. That’s how my mom got lead poisoning.
7 likesPutting aluminum and copper grease paint near people’s mouth and eyes is even worse, you’re just asking for an infection.
@Slender Man 186 Jack Haley was the only one who got an infection when he happened to get a bit in his eye-- mark you, that can happen with just about any substance-- and he was over it in about four days.
0 likesBut there was no lead in any of the make-up. Seriously, some folks on these threads seem to have a mania for lead poisoning.
One thousandth like!
0 likes@Haizina On that ridiculous comment, that's no honor.
0 likesThey should make a movie about the making of this movie
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Documentary
0 likesDude, you get mad props for making quite possibly the only legitimately entertaining advert on YouTube in the last two years.
0 likesOkay serious question, has anyone tried listening to Dark Side of the Moon while watching this?
0 likesHonestly, knowing Emp’s love of prog rock (Pink Floyd especially) and memes (internet and cultural), I wouldn’t be surprised if he deliberately paced the video to match certain beats to a portion of that album.
I actually played the role of the Lion back in kindergarden, alongside many other kids.
1 likeImagine a bunch of children running around in 45+ kg suits. Sheesh.
The creators of Wizard of Oz: Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
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Quest!? What kind of “Quest?”
59 likesapplause
34 likes@Night Terror Let the Downward Spiral BEGIN!
17 likesNot entirely accurate. You mean to say, "the adapters of the Wizard of Oz." The original author of the Oz books had no involvement with the movie since he had died years prior.
23 likes“Aw, did someone get addicted to meth?”
10 likesWE MUST SAVE MY FAMILY!
5 likesYou have to understand, we only did this for the benefit of humanity...
7 likes@Jiggynomics GARY?? IS THAT YOU?? C'MERE YOU!
4 likes@Cade D I object!
3 likes@Whine *cracks knuckles with the doom 2016 soundtrack playing
4 likesThat scene just happened as I saw this comment
0 likes@uranium54321 No, nobody did.
0 likesNobody died.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I did
0 likes@uranium54321 Get well soon.
0 likesAnother great video and a very interesting topic, I'd love to see you cover more films of that era.
0 likesThis applies less to this video than almost any other, but I do think it's silly when people say that Emp doesn't YTP anymore. Almost every single video of his has some form of remixing, where he reworks various source materials. I think it makes your documentary styles more appealing than any other youtuber's other than maybe Jon Bois.
0 likesI think mediums of art, such as YTP often have a larger impact upon other works, such as documentaries and therefore, Emp's documentaries will carry the YTP torch further than anybody who didn't evolve. Love the videos.
Making a grand movie that isn't as profitable for prestige is still a very profit-driven strategy, you're forgetting how important brand identity is to a corporation. This "doing something for the sake of making something bigger than yourself" is how executives exploit artistic passion to this end. It was true back then and it is true now. CD Project Red is a very good modern example- they say the same stuff about how they make no ordinary video games but monuments to art and it isn't a job for just anyone- all to exploit artistic passion for the bottom line. I don't need to tell you how unsustainable this is (just look at their recent work!) and how great works get made in spite of capitalist exploitation, not because of it.
2 likesMasterful, absolutely masterful.
0 likesYou my friend are up there with Whitelight, Jontron and Ahoy as some of the best quality youtubers of all time.
I played Oz in the high school rendition of this. Dealing with theater kids was only slightly less terrible than the conditions of the real thing
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Wow even other youtubers respect emp or like him im glad tbh.
116 likesGlad emp gets what he deserves
35 likesNice
1 likeYou're a theatre kid too though...
94 likesI am early
0 likes@relentless chaos EmpLegend
4 likesimagine being a theater kid
66 likes@Nicholas Perrine imagine not being a theater kid
10 likesSame
0 likes@SparkleSparkleSparkle Look i'm gay but i don't need to make it that obvious
51 likes@Nicholas Perrine oof. glad I never did more than half a semester in 9th grade lol.
1 likeI had to play some game called ghost n goblins without the knife, so I guess my suffering was a little bit worse than those actors.
7 likesHey Jojo guy, who would ever knew that Wizard of the Oz is a jojo reference
6 likesHyperbole.
2 likesYay favourite youtuber
1 likeaye checks out
0 likesI was in theater in High and Middle School (because I was good at acting and it gave me good grades lol) but I 100% agree, I had to deal with some specimen up there. Granted I was a bit weird myself, but those I saw were either the most socially awkward in the world or the most self centered of narcissist, there was no in between. There were some genuinely good people that I encountered there, but yeah no thank you I probably wouldn't do it again
9 likesTHE SHUCKMEISTER??! HERE??
2 likesNAAAAAANIIIIIII???! SOMEBODY READY AQUA'S BOOZE!! EEEXPULLOOOSSSIOOONN!!!!!
Holy shit, as our highschool play we had to do a mashup of Oz and Wonderland, it was torture dealing with theatre kids, not to mention the material was awful
1 likeTheater Kids are either amazing or horrible.
1 likeCan confirm, I once played Thomas Putnam in a rendition of The Crucible.
3 likesNever did a stage show again.
(Edit: Oh, shit, hey Shuck!)
Damn, didn't expect to see shuck here
0 likesPlz tell me you played the cut-out of the emerald city in the background😂😂😂
3 likesI was the scarecrow
0 likes@Jordan Velasco One can only wish for such a pristine role!
2 likes@Nicholas Perrine
0 likesVirgin theater kid...
...CHAD choir kid.
Though seriously, my high school's choir when I went there around 2010-ish kicked ass and was friendly to everyone.
We had theater kids, jocks, nerds, populars, punks, conservatives, liberals... nearly the whole spectrum of the student body.
The theatre troupe I’m in is prized as the most normal. It’s really tamed down by the fact that we’re in a Catholic school, and that our theatre teacher is somewhat conservative. We went to see a production at a public school and one person had a rainbow Mohawk and another was a real life goth. We still do have narcissists though, so that sucks. Moral of the story, theatre is the radical Islam of high school.
1 likeone of my past friends said that her brother (i think?) was in a Wizard of Oz play as Scarecrow, and the worst he suffered was a part of his costume catching on fire with no injuries. meanwhile the shit that happened in the actual film studio... yikes...
0 likes@Nicholas Perrine im just trolling for lulz and parasocial connection in a post covid self isolation world. Im so lonely and its all thanks to lockdowns I miss people. : ( I love you stranger check out the youtube channel Surveillance Camera Man he has one video Surveillance Camera Man 1-8. Its amazing and I watch it for comfort.
0 likesTheater kids are built different
0 likesam a former theater kid and I strongly agree with this
0 likes@sawyer cowley imagine schuckmeister being your favorite YouTuber
1 likeBullshit. Your little high school did not use any of these toxic materials and pyrotechnics did it? What about prescription drugs? No? I didn't think so
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0 likes@Nicholas Perrine imagine
0 likes@Firdaus FDZLH Yes, “Wizard of the Oz” is surely a JoJo reference.
1 likeCould have benefited from the firm hand of MGM
1 likeReally don’t think you should compare dealing with cringy teens to terrible physical abuse that happened, but idk
2 likesSeth the powerful
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0 likes@Tom Servo I give theatre kids all the right to criticize other theatre kids. Not all are cliquey, but so many are. And I was sort of a theatre kid until I was 10. Only at a summer camp though. If I had stuck with it I would have done well enough with it but there is something about the domination of cliquey culture that’s hard to stomach.
0 likes@dapperthanMax Much of what is told about this movie has become ludicrously exaggerated over the decades.
0 likes@Mike Barnes Don't bother, a lot of people today love to think they're more important than they actually are
2 likesI played Tin Man. I had a huge crush on the girl who played Dorothy,and her understudy😜
0 likes@Michael Blaine Sounds awkward. If it's not being too personal, did you end up with either of them?
1 like@Michael Blaine I honestly can’t remember who I played in some summer camp mini-revue like 20 years ago. Prolly the scarecrow. Coulda stuck with being a theatre kid but didn’t.
1 likeI did actually,Megan(the understudy) and I dated for 2 years. That’s why I winked. I forgot all about my crush when I met her. I’m not sure if that makes me sound like a pig or a gentleman. All other girls become invisible to me once I’m in a relationship so I guess that’s positive😜
0 likesThat’s the role I went for but got stuck with the silver face🤣
0 likesHey I played OZ too :)
0 likesIt makes sense that Shuck is here. Emplemon was featured in one of his videos. They're good acquaintances, if not friends
0 likes@Tom Servo But are you really a theatre kid if you only act in one play? I figure a theatre kid is a regular at acting in those plays.
0 likesOh it's you shuck
0 likesThe only good thing is that you aren't feed on drugs but it's still worse than having a 200 wagon long train pulled by 5 locomotives losing control and hitting another train at 90mph
0 likes@relentless chaos
0 likes@Mike Barnes It's a joke lol
0 likesOh Jesus, I'm having flashbacks to going out to McDonald's after school, before rehearsal with theater kids...
0 likesand them feeling it's appropriate to have an impromptu barbershop quartet rendition of "For The Longest Time" in our booth complete with snapping and those wry, clever smiles and looks barbershop quartets give as they sing. It was painful.
I was new to the theater scene in my school, only started in my junior year, so I still didn't know these kids very well.
I was not prepared.
@chainsawplayin why not both? WWII INTENSIFIES
0 likeshow did you play oz isnt oz the place?
0 likesToxic substances: Exists
2 likesThe Magic of Oz production: "I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK"
The whole film just gives me the creeps nowadays, having learnt about the horrific production. It's a great movie but whenever I hear one of the songs or see one of the sets I just shudder.
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It wasn't "horrific"; it was hard work-- as any movie is-- and accidents happened, but that doesn't mean that sinister forces were at work. And you'd do well to bear in mind that the actors and crew were very proud of their achievements. Margaret Hamilton, who went through the worst experience, adored it and the WWW until her dying day.
0 likes@RadioFlash No.8 You were seeing things.
0 likesI've known about this I've I remember delving into this topic back in highschool, such a fascinating and sad situation. Showed this video too my mother a few months back, she was shocked and I don't blame her 💔
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A better idea would be having her read these books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 oh for sure. I've already reccomeneded The making of the wizard of Oz too her!
1 likeI'm all for talking about Wizard of Oz and those tragedies, but the main thesis here is the fact that Nintendo can't stand at our alters of nostalgia forever. Maybe we individually don't think we are contributing to the problem but like Emplemon is saying, by not caring about what they do to the individual communities Nintendo will make business practices that keeps eeking over their franchises maintaining their stranglehold over what we are allowed to enjoy with them. We can't exactly equivocate these actions like the actual tangible tragedies from other companies but let's not let them drive us to the next one.
0 likesThis video has some amazing lines. "Unlike Dorothy, Judy Garland never made it over the rainbow." Actually made me tear up.
655 likesAnd then the closing "We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life, but at the very least, art can get us pretty damn close."
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"Never made it over the rainbow" was a quote from Judy Garland that she made in private recordings. Those recordings are on YouTube somewhere.
38 likesTop scops
0 likesGrow a pair
0 likesyes, she did. Even with all her Peccadilloes she earned her wings. She worked hard and wanted to really please her audiences. She made it Over the Rainbow.
6 likes@mickeymouse2able Well said. :-)
1 like@mickeymouse2able Here's a story about Judy and her huge heart.
9 likesA little girl who went to see "Wizard" when it opened became sick soon afterward and was put in hospital. She wrote to MGM asking if Dorothy could pay her a visit. They gave Judy the letter and she wrote back to the girl promising that she would. She wasn't able to dress as she had in the movie because all the costumes had been put into storage already, but she put on a simple frock and went to the hospital and visited with the little girl as long as the doctor permitted. She even sang "Over the Rainbow" to her. The doctor and the girl's mother thanked her with tears in their eyes when she had to leave.
And not only did the girl recover, but later in life, she became a singer herself!
Man, studios should do "prestige" films again. Big Films that exist as art, and not as something to earn money, not even their budget back. It really does show just how corporate Hollywood is now.
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I'm not particularly aware of what exactly a prestige film entails, but by the definition in the video, Lord of the Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean would be prestige films too right?
2 likes@BillyBro Lord of the Rings is debatably a prestige film, sure, but I highly doubt Pirates could be considered one.
0 likesFrom my understanding, a prestige film was essentially spending oodles of money on a making the highest quality film, and having little expectation of making said money back. You're not making the film for business in this case, but "prestige", thus the name.
I doubt Pirates was ever thought to be anything other than financially successful for Disney, but I can totally see how Lord of the Rings being filmed by Peter Jackson was highly risky and ambitious.
@ImCurrentlyNaked thanks for explaining.
1 likeI love how you decided to do informative videos instead of just YTPs. But still have some YTP humour to these videos.
1 likeI made a speech for my freshman year of college talking about the dangers of "Uncomfortable costumes", but it only covered from 1977 to today. We have come a long way since the Wizard of Oz, but we still have a long way to go.
0 likesPoor Judy. She was so beautiful. =[
10 likesAll these stars were treated like crap. The studio system was really bad, they owned Hollywood back then and that’s why the LA police were so corrupt (why shit like the Black Dahlia was never solved) Hollywood is a strange beast.
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It was hard working conditions, but movies always have involved hard working conditions.
0 likesWow. Holy shit. The amount of care put into the safety of the actors was almost exactly 0% fuck s given, amazing. I bet she was like “see I told you fire was a bad idea” after the broom exploded
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Thats why companies now having strict safety regulations to follow these days.
52 likes@RayMinishi good lol
14 likes@RayMinishi There's an old saying that goes "regulations are written in blood", and often times for good reason.
79 likes@RayMinishi SAG being one of them.
1 likeThere's one important thing to consider. Back then movie tickets didn't cost 20 dollars. The costs and regulations today make everything so expensive it's harder to take risk on a loss.
3 likesThat's not just true for movies but for everything. Life is getting so expensive and the rise in costs are accelerating. This is how civilizations collapse. Eventually people can no longer afford to live, and the system breaks down. Oh, but at least actors get treated like gods for their ability to play pretend..
@Name Nameson did you like, not watch the video?
6 likes@Name Nameson You make a very good point, thanks for sharing your perspective!
1 like@Name Nameson I bet you're fun at parties, weirdo.
1 likeI'm not even into movies & I'm not a fan of the corporate oligarchs pumping out shlock disguising itself as film but do you really feel that much spite for famous people to the point where your reaction to hearing about horrific working conditions is to say that they should be placed at the bottom of the barrel?
These are fellow men who went through a lot of crap to give you a piece of art.
You make a point about people not caring about workers who put themselves in danger yet you don't care about those who went through worse conditions than ol' Bob the Builder from down the street just because they're rich & famous.
I do think actors should be taken down a peg in percieved importance. If A list actors had the same clout as smaller actors, that would be pleasant.
1 likeBut i disagree with Acting being a useless profession. Stories have value for humans. The better the final product is, the better an "actor" is serving the public by entertaining them
This video misrepresents a lot of things and fires woke minds with its distortions.
1 like@norweeg SAG was formed in 1933 by Boris Karloff and others.
0 likes@Striker Squirrel Well said, and as an actor, I agree wholeheartedly; them in Hollywood make way too much money. It's teachers, doctors, police, and first responders who deserve the millions if anyone does.
0 likesIt's amazing that this was the golden age of Hollywood and this was the work conditions. I think working in a factory was better because that may not physical or mentally scar you.
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It was the only work conditions anyone knew, so they dealt with it.
0 likesWizard of Oz had a pretty awful production, but during its time it's probably the most advance film in the 30's, but the cost of that is pretty much awful
2 likesThe thing is, even after all of this I believe that nobody who worked on the film as an actor or otherwise ever regretted it.
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They didn't. Judy Garland, Margaret Hamilton, and Ray Bolger were among the film's biggest fans.
1 like12:46 Sad fact: When Toto (real name is Terry) died, her remains were buried in L. A. But later, a highway was built right on his grave and her body has been distributed into the soil.
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Her remains. Her body.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You're right. Her new grave is now a cenotaph (grave without the actual body)
0 likesThat’s sad. 😔
0 likesWhether you like this movie or not, you HAVE to have mad respect for those actors who were forced to work on this film under the conditions they were forced to undergo.
1017 likesAnd the fact they were able to put on such stellar performances despite what was going on behind the scenes is absolutely astonishing.
Truly masters of their craft.
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still so,whoa okay with it
2 likesThey weren't "forced" to do anything; that is, nobody put guns to their heads and said, "Do this or die!" It wasn't the first time people had to deal with discomfort for acting roles, and it certainly wasn't the last. Anthony Daniels comes to mind.
1 like@👁 DMT Infinity 👁 Who exactly was risking their "career, repetition (sic), financial security, and future opportunities" more with "Wizard" than with any other project they ever did? Most of the cast were well embarked on their careers, including Bert Lahr and Frank Morgan, whose careers began before Judy Garland was born and showed no signs of stopping.
6 likesAs if this whole issue is about me, which you seem to want to make it (and which could be seen as evasiveness on your part, not actually wanting to address the film's production), then it may interest you to know that I've researched this movie for about four decades, that research being largely informed by the even more in-depth investigations of Aljean Harmetz, who wrote "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977)-- for which she interviewed 48 people who worked on the film-- John Fricke, who wrote "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989), and Jay Scarfone and William Stillman, who worked with Fricke on the latter book, as well as writing "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019).
You would do well to read those books. Then not only I, but you will know what I'm talking about.
They absolutely would have been blacklisted. The whole old studio system in Hollywood was like this. You violate your contract you lose your career.
21 likes@Aisling O'Keeffe The only thing I reply to is misinformation as regards one movie, namely "The Wizard of Oz." If you'd read my comments rather than just counting them, you'd realize that.
1 like@👁 DMT Infinity 👁 LUL typical of a dmt abuser to be unable to talk about anything without mentioning it. Bet you and Joe “DMT and edibles!!!” Rogan would get along famously
3 likes@Dimiter Kramer
2 likesIndubitably.
@Dimiter Kramer
2 likesFeel free to give me his number.
@👁 DMT Infinity 👁 actually DMT guy talking about DMT a lot is far less annoying than bootlicking the Hollywood establishment so you rock right on
3 likes@MaskedMan66 BRUH YOU GOT LIKE 274 COMMENTS OF YOU ARGUING YOU HAVE NO LIFE LOL
12 likes@DOC O.G. No, I have that many comments (and more) of me presenting the truth. Truth isn't an argument, it's simply facts. As for my life, it's wild, rich, and on the whole, tax-free.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 WHAT
2 likes@DOC O.G. ahem
0 likes"No, I have that many comments (and more) of me presenting the truth. Truth isn't an argument, it's simply facts. As for my life, it's wild, rich, and on the whole, tax-free."
@MaskedMan66 this is the one of the most strangest individuals ive ever come across on Youtube lmao
10 likes@DOC O.G. Who is?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 nvmd man you keeping doing you im gonna play Halo 3
5 likesYeah
0 likes@DOC O.G. Your loss, mate. You could stay and get an education.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 ok go ahead and “educate” this person in the youtube comments section. You sound like a 14 year old on twitter. Also please don’t respond back, Im not going to reply back
3 likes@verrpis Responding back anyway, because this, folks, is an illustration of the mindset of too many people nowadays. It's directly equivalent to sticking one's fingers in one's ears and singing "LA-LA-LA" at the top of one's lungs. People like this are living in willful ignorance, which is a large part of why the world is in such a mess today.
0 likes@CMG The Person I don't. Read the books I've cited.
0 likes@Neurono C. Christian. Why do you ask?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 No Christian defends Hollywood like this. I can sense your nose.
0 likes@Neurono C. I don't even talk about Hollywood; I'm here on the subject of one movie. Don't try to put words in my mouth. And don't be anti-Semitic.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 So you don't deny that you eat foreskins... Plus, you WERE defending Hollywood's cruel practices. Yeah, I'm sure it must be soooo easy for those actors and actresses to just leave.
0 likes@Neurono C. What the devil are you talking about? And what cruel practices was I defending? Quote me a quote from me, I'll wait.
0 likes@Neurono C. What's a pilpul? I'm pretty sure I don't even have one.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 based and ozpilled
0 likesI don't want to meet someone who can't appreciate this movie
0 likes@Aisling O'Keeffe Hollywood, schmollywood. I'm talking about one movie.
0 likes@Laupis Got one, thanks. How about you get a clean mouth?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 they are indeed forced to do the movie while abused
0 likes@Edward Banner ?
0 likesSad that those actors, even by putting up great performances above all that was happening, in the end got their talent exploited.
0 likesI agree with the message at the end, but still wonder at what cost you should sacrifice yourself for art, and even when that can be somehow admirable.
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What do you mean "exploited?" They were hired because people knew they were talented and could play those roles. And they didn't sacrifice themselves.
0 likesI remember learning all this in school. We learned about classic films and cartoons along with our regular cirriculum. 90's education hit different!
0 likesIt's amazing how big of a franchise the wizard of oz was including a museum
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Oz was already a phenomenon, and had been so since 1900. There had been a smash hit musical on Broadway in the first decade of the 20th century, as well as a multimedia presentation that L. Frank Baum toured with, as well as silent movies, radio shows, advertising campaigns, other stage productions, and of course for many years, a new Oz book was put out annually at Christmastime.
0 likesGood lord, you outdid yourself on this one Emp. The comparison at the end hit me like a ton of bricks.
0 likesIt's kind of ironic that you used the Mona Lisa to show art outlasting the artist when, in all reality, Leonardo Da Vinci is proably going to be an immortal in the public mind. The man is still taught in schools in both art and history classes. It's very rare, and really only happens with these prolific artists and polymaths when they're one of only a few members of a wave of art movement, but still. Da Vinci may be in the grave now, but he'll never die a true death. He'll be remembered as long as there are humans at this point.
0 likesThis gives me a new appreciation for the wizard of oz movie and the actors who acted in it. They literally suffered permanent damage from being in it. But considering how influential and famous the film was it really begs the question if it was worth it.
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They didn't suffer "permanent damage," literally or figuratively. Wounds heal, as theirs did. Other people have suffered worse on other movies. Three actors died while making "Twilight Zone: The Movie."
0 likesAccording to Judy, Margaret, and Ray, and others, "Wizard" was most certainly worth the effort.
@The Purified Which nobody in this cast or crew got as a result of making the movie, so your statement is irrelevant.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 god damn go find something else to do
0 likes@spooky-yuki Seriously, what is with the hostility and the invective? Learn about this movie from reliable, authoritative sources and you'll see what a load of codswallop all the rumors are. This is about the movie, not your misperceptions about me.
0 likesSadly, nothing about Hollywood's safety standards have changed. The Alec gun accident was awful.
1 likeYou know, I usually consider myself as fairly numb to the horrors of the world but Jesus Christ that is a dark story.
2 likesImagine you're a young, self-loathing actress in the 30s and you get hooked on meth just to be able to perform..
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Judy Garland never used meth in her life. And she wasn't self-loathing either, just insecure. The story isn't dark, and at that time in her life, Judy Garland was not some timid little tissue-paper waif, she was a ballsy jitterbug who had her own mind and spoke it.
1 likeMost people ask why the Simpsons are green, but nobody asks why Hollywood is dark.
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De-regulation and limitations of technology
86 likessocity
183 likes@Trolledfrog 678 ☝️ this 😥😥😓😓😢😢😢😭😰😰
72 likes@olly _ look I don't want to come off as one of those annoying redditors but this is a total r/woosh moment (edit lol he deleted his comment)
20 likesThe memetic flow of information has surpassed the need for such questions. It's not your job to ask questions J. Only to create context.
25 likesCapitalism. Of course.
16 likes@Krystal Myth remember when in don't blame the thing that lifted 1 billion people out of poverty
17 likes@Alexander McCabe it also put 2 billion on poverty.
12 likes@Krystal Myth most are communists tho
16 likes@Alexander McCabe to be fair, capitalism is almost as bad as communism, and in both, it's the same brand of people who end up running things.
8 likes@Jinxed Swashbuckler "Capitalism is almost as bad as communism"
42 likesinsert brainlet pic here
@Jinxed Swashbuckler lol no but good attempt at a "both sides feigning nuance" position
11 likes@ChubbyAnemone69 do you even know what that word means or how to quantify it
3 likes@Jinxed Swashbuckler As someone who grew up in a post communist country this is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard lmao. Same goes for the absolute geniuses in this thread comparing communism to capitalism.
29 likesThe La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?
7 likesSimpsons are green? Are you colourblind or am I colourblind?
26 likesI’m pretty sure they’re blue
Green? I thought the Simpsons were red!
11 likes@Potatotenkopf Can't be deregulated if regulations were never there in the first place :rollsafe:
4 likesNobody asks why Margaret Hamilton was green
4 likes@Cyann as someone who grew up in a post industrial society i can assure you it is bullshit when someone claims the industrial revolution was a disaster on the human race
9 likesSisiety
0 likes@Potatotenkopf You tell that Unabomber!
2 likesDas raciss
0 likes@I ams Smrt this. So true
0 likesWait but they're yellow
4 likesRight
0 likes@mr freakout What did he say?
0 likesCuz everyone knows the answer.
0 likesAren’t they Yellow?
1 likeAre you colorblind?
U can't ask someone why they're dark.
0 likesMost don't ask because they know
0 likes@Cyann after our collapse we'll see which goes darker
0 likes@Potatotenkopf problem is not lack of regulation. It's lack of enforcement of already existing law.
1 like@Uphill-Evolution US v Paramount pictures was the reason this stuff stopped happening though. The Government stepped in and told these companies they couldn't monopolize the industry which led to higher freedom for everyone involved, except those at the top of course.
1 likeThe simpsons are green because of toxic copper face paint
1 likeThe Simpsons has a easy answer but Hollywood, is a whole other Rabbit Hole to dive into
0 likes@Cyann notice the implication "almost as bad" and not "as bad" or "worse than." No one in this comment threat is denying the grey misery that is living in a communist or post-communist society, but by that same token I hope you're not denying the miserable struggles of those who find themselves living just above or underneath the poverty line (a struggle directly caused and/or amplified by the structural inequities of capitalism, especially in its purest, most unregulated form) and perpetuating the old myth of American-style capitalism as being this "free consumerist paradise;" if you've been living a better life under capitalism then I'm happy for you, but unfortunately not everyone would boast of that same experience.
2 likeshelp I'm dumb why green
2 likesTripp Henderson
2 likesEmplemon used to make YTPs and he’d always make the simpsons skin color green
Green?
4 likesWhy saying the Simpsons are green, they are literally yellow.
4 likesI know the answer. Hollywood’s in floria
1 like@Dismissor It is in California...
1 like@The_One_Who_Has_A_Very_Strange_Name You obviously haven't watched this channel enough...
1 like@channel5980 and who are you to assume?
2 likes@channel5980 ok?
1 likeI guess I'll have to watch it more.
@Dismissor Someone with basic geography knowledge.
0 likes@channel5980 Oh you know geography? Name all 50 states plus the ungoverned province of the USA
0 likes@Dismissor LMAO I can't take this comment seriously after all the memes
0 likesraiden,
1 liket u r n t h e g a m e c o n s o l e o f f n o w.
They are yellow
1 likeThe Simpsons are yellow
1 likeCopper toxicity
2 likessympsons are yellow too
1 likeHi maybe you guys didn't know this, but whining about The Wizard of Oz ain't gonna bring back Trump, you mad bro
0 likes@Jinxed Swashbuckler Mussolini wants to know your location
1 likeDiversity quotas.
0 likes@Cyann I grew up in a post-communist country too, that's why I know it's worse, possibly the worst possible system around that's mainly supported by people I'm not convinced are fully human.
1 likeHowever, if you fail to see how capitalism is vulnerable to constant exploitation, I don't know what to tell you, you must live in a wonderful fantasy world lmfao.
Now let's link arms and go topple more governments to protect the petrodollar, good times!👍
@Alexander McCabe where did I say there are capitalist governments? Quote the exact line.
0 likesWhere did I call capitalism a system?
If you have trouble grasping basic English, ask your caretaker to explain it to you, I'm sure they can take it slow enough even for you.😂
@channel5980 mans just unironically said “you’re the soyjack i win the argument”
0 likes@John Wolfe this is a joke right
1 like@ApolloRose My man here just tried to call me out by using a fallacy LMAOOOOO
0 likes@channel5980 you literally said “insert brainlet pic here”
0 likes@ApolloRose Do you even know what "fallacy" means?
0 likes@channel5980 making fun of somebody for saying “insert brainlet pic here” isn’t a fallacy my man
0 likes@ApolloRose Implying that someone's comment is invalid because they "unironically said X" without explaining anything is LMAO
0 likesSomeone during production became green
0 likeswe know why
0 likes@channel5980 “insert brainlet pic here” isn’t an argument
0 likes@J Shutup lol
0 likesThe answer is verboten
0 likesThe simpsons are
0 likesYellow....
@Kermit 2 no, capitalism did not put billions of people into poverty. That would imply people were better off before or without capitalism somewhere.
0 likesBefore the industrial revolution, what we today would call third world poverty was the norm everywhere, where most people toiled in short miserable lives. It was the normal state of human existence.
Nothing else has reduced poverty by any comparable amount as free market capitalism has. Look into something called the Index of Economic Freedom if you want more data. Comparing first world problems to third world poverty and saying "well both sides have their issues" is a huge false equivalence.
If anything, third world places today like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea suffer from the absence of economic freedom, in the same way that cold scientifically is the absence of heat, it doesnt have a direct cause.
@Kermit 2 well I think a lot of things people find seemingly wrong with capitalism could be the result of government intervention.
0 likesBy having companies pay for your health care, that's less money for your actual paycheck and it makes health care costs more expensive for everyone. (Because there's no incentive to not have "free" insurance cover routine predictable expenses it's not needed for.) And discourages people from seeking a better job for fear of not getting the same benefits.
College was a lot more affordable before the government started offering student loans to make it more affordable.
But really the biggest problem in the US right now is the political system is deeply polarized, too many people of all views feel completely unrepresented and the two parties are as powerful as ever despite record poll numbers saying we need a third party option. Issues are not getting addressed in a constructive way.
Having ranked choice voting and maybe even proportional representation would drastically improve our government.
I thought they were yellow😞
1 likeBloody the amount of replies here just randomly blew up
0 likes@—Darwinski— Nice try, that's not how colorblindness works
0 likesSeriously though, why are they green?
0 likesnot enough copper
0 likesGreen?
1 likeBruh the Simpsons are purple
0 likesbecause when you hide your sexism and sexual harassment with wokness, it makes the situation quite dark
0 likesThe answer is obvious
0 likesGreat pains
0 likes@Trolledfrog 678we truly live in one
0 likesIt’s copper paint.
0 likesThis guy just called the Simpsons green and you're all arguing about armchair politics.
0 likesThe Simpsons are yellow.
0 likes@Jinxed Swashbuckler I think I know what brand of people you're talking about
0 likesWhat the Elves of Middle-Earth call the Dwarves (and what the Dwarves call themselves lol)
@TellUWhat Or else the nose will sniff us out
0 likes@Joan Ignasi Martí Franco they are not lmaooooooooooooooooooo
0 likesand also is because all of those people have a lot of money and they can do basically anything they want just because of it
0 likes@James Green They aren't, but you seem to be, Mr. Green.
0 likesI often think of the gradual fading of my favorite and beloved idols. Musicians, actors, and other public figures have been around long before me and sometimes even when my parents were young. These great generations are slowly but surely going. It is a sad and bittersweet reminicience.
0 likesReally wonderful epilogue. Bravo 👏🏼 a truly enjoyable video.
0 likes17:20 this part didn't age well lmao
4 likesIt’s so sad what happened to the cast especially with Margaret Hamilton she forgot herself and her accomplishments likely to the point that she wouldn’t know what she ate for breakfast it’s so sad that this all happened because mgm just wanted to make a quick buck for almost a year they were all tortured and even doing things that would cause premature death and addiction in a way the people behind the screen were murders it’s so sad I will never look at this company the same way again
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Margaret Hamilton's Alzheimer's had no link with Wizard (which, by the way, was not the only accomplishment she forgot; she had a long and prolific career). Nobody wanted to "make a quick buck"; MGM was in the moviemaking business, and therefore they made movies; Wizard was one of 41 movies they released in 1939. Nobody was tortured, and nothing they went through in making the movie caused "premature death and addiction." Judy's addictions began in adulthood, and if you're calling Buddy Ebsen's death premature, then explain how it took him 65 years to die.
0 likesThe wizard of Oz is my all time favorite movie 🎥 but man the darkness that happened during the making of the movie is very disturbing
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Darkness, schmarkness. It was, as Jack Haley said, hard work. Here are your sources for the real story: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
1 likeI guess art does outlive the artist in many ways because I could probably perfectly quote this movie and give very niche facts about it…. But I have never seen the wizard of oz in all my 23 years of life lol
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Well, watch it already!
1 likeRusty Cage needs to make a full version of “If I Only Had Some Hair”
14 likeshe really outdid himself with that hair loss ad.
1 likeAnd everything else.
It's interesting bc it seems like several of these problems had to do with the movie being in colour. Wizard of Oz was one of the very first movies done in colour, and that was obviously one of the main selling points (heck, the slippers were silver in the book, but ruby pops out so much better). The health problems with the makeup probably could've been avoided if they didn't have to worry about the colour. I wonder if the movie was black-and-white, would they have to make the lighting so intense? Of course this is just me speculating but it's interesting to think about.
0 likesJudy Garland deserves much more respect with what she had to go through. Everyone else involved deserved better for that matter.
1 likeI did the first, honest-to-god, no bullshit, genuine and unintended spit-take of my 30 year life at the 12:06 mark when he said that what the fuck I was seeing on my screen was Asbestos being used as snow, with the actors absolutely coated in the shit, and it's presence being so thick in the air so as to create a general haze across the whole screen. I had already heard like 10-12 things by that point which were entirely despicable/infuriating, AND I was already somewhat familiar with the notion that the set of The Wizard of Oz was a bit of a dumpster fire. But that information took the whole fucking cake. Just... O__O
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The snow was crushed gypsum. The most reliable sources for info on this movie are the books "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes"We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life; but at the very least, art can get us pretty damn close."
0 likes...Damn.
Hollywood can be a hell of a place.
1652 likesIt looks so bright and shiny on the outside, but inside it is completely rotten.
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So like most industries we grow up wanting to be apart of?
100 likes@SHAWKLAN 27 Yeah, exactly like that. It's unfortunate but what are ya gonna do.
65 likesFitting that Disney's first film featured a poisoned but beautiful apple
110 likesthis
2 likesYeah, forget the film industry. They treat employees like commodities. I'm going to the NFL instead.lol
11 likes@Tom Servo ...
23 likes@SHAWKLAN 27 well, there are bad industries like insurance and finance, and rotten industries like Hollywood or the music industry.
42 likesIf you ask me I'd rather make money off of a bad industry instead of a rotten one...
something something bright lights and dark shadows
3 likes@Tom Servo when celebrities say they just want to be normal, I'm starting to believe it
22 likesI wonder what it is that draws a certain type of person to leadership positions in Hollywood year after year, decade after decade. Like do they have a factory somewhere where they produce those monsters?
3 likes@Jinxed Swashbuckler power corrupts.
15 likesBut this isn't any kind of power, as it comes with the ability to get whatever you want when it comes to sexual relations, and victims that are often too scared to fight back.
Colorful mushrooms growing on a waterlogged corpse.
14 likesOh boy you said something timeless and said for a hundred years
2 likes@Simple Inverso and absolute power.....
6 likesCorrupts absolutely
@Sono what an interesting analogy
0 likes@Appel Sien His analogy is as colorful as Hollywood's outside, and just as grim as Hollywood's inside.
2 likes@Lazwit we could band together and revolt against our corporate overlords. We could, but who is going to?
6 likesJust don't look at the Early Life Section
4 likes@Tom Servo
1 likeShould we tell him?
I've always heard of people moving out to Hollywood to break into the business or network with other creators
1 likeThen they notice the heroine addicts and used needles on every street corner.
Lots of industries are like that. The majority, I'd say. Hollywood is just funner to dissect because that's where alot of our entertainment comes from.
3 likesThat 8 bit Pink Floyd cover made that ending such a great "Woah man, that's deep" moment.
1 likeWhat you say about the pyramids is at odds with archaeological consensus. They were built by skilled laborers and artisans who were generally well treated and well paid by standards of the time.
1 likeIt's possible to create great structures and great movies without torturing people. DaVinci didn't die of brush strokes on the way to "immortality".
Mistreating yourself or workers is a warning sign of your own incompetence, not a step to greatness.
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"By standards of the time." And what were they?
0 likesNobody was tortured or mistreated by anyone on Wizard . And Leonardo's name was Leonardo; Vinci was his hometown.
Learning this film was made in the late 30s makes a ton of sense. Less regulations and way more competition. Always thought Oz was made in the 80s or something. This sounded like actual hell.
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People also didn't know yet some things might have been dangerous like the asbestos as snow, they just knew it looked good on camera.....Buddy Ebsen didn't know he was allergic to the makeup at the time...Some people don't find out they're allergic to something until they do it.
0 likesI got the reference you were making by playing music from the Dark Side of the Moon album. Watching the film with that album is a psychedelic experience!
0 likesReminds me of how Malcolm MacDowell was basically tortured while making A Clockwork Orange. From the director Stanley Kubrick making his character have a pet snake when MacDowell has a fear of snakes, to him nearly drowning in one of the stunts, to him suffering long lasting eye damage from one of the more iconic scenes.
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Through all that however he was ironically the only actor to have positive things to say about Kubrick
113 likes@Raymunator I was about to mention Kubrick's psychotic perfectionism in The Shining. Causing Shelley Duvall to literally lose strands of hair on set from all the stress and pressure he brought to her. Literally dozens and dozens of takes Duvall had to go through. Screaming in the bathroom scene if I'm correct.
77 likesBut yeah. Despite Kubrick's genius directing, he was an asshole.
"I WAS CURED ALRIGHT."
33 likes@Sumvs how so?
1 like@Sumvs that's depressing to hear, I always thought she did a great job.
7 likesHuh, seems like Kubrick has a history of treating his actors like shit.
0 likes@Cheru Siderea he just expects an extremely high level of quality from his actors
1 like@That’s one smug wojak and 1 plus 1 equals 3 too? That's not what I said. I said her acting was shit. I'm surprised Kubrick wanted to keep her honestly. I'm sure she's fine in other roles but she just didn't fit that role in my opinion.
0 likes@That’s one smug wojak sorry about my response as well, that was pretty rude of me. Thinking about it now though, her very frail form and acting would fit the backstory of an abusive father in Jack.
0 likesjust to think that art can be bigger than the artist itself, how big it could get and how many times it happend on the trails of time..
0 likesthis could be one of those fates that are worse than death itself
I would love for these sponsorships of keeps to actually tell you the side effects. They are pretty intense.
1 likeThis was an amazing video you can see that he took his time to make this video great
0 likesOh screw that studio 👹. Judy was absolutely gorgeous. It's damn infuriating that she became insecure because of the abuse she had to face.
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If it's any consolation, nobody on "Wizard" abused her in any way.
1 likeToday, we learn why there's a union for every group in the film industry
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"One man can only start so many unions"
90 likes@Kimg Komg Mickey Rooney was in quite a few unions. ;-)
7 likesYep, and it saddens me that many people feel uneasy about the modern ones today.
77 likes@Gary Brown Blame the mob.
6 likes@MaskedMan66 My dad doesn’t like Mickey Rooney too much. Apparently when he was growing up, he was forced to watch all the Andy Hardy movies alongside his brothers and sisters as part of an archaic family activity known as Movie Night. I can only imagine the intense discomfort and suffering he went through having to watch those films over and over, just sayin’. 😱
1 like@Night Fall forget the mob, I'm wringing the neck of the next guy who tells me I'm not allowed to move an extension cord because that's electrical's job and I'm a carpenter
5 likesThere were unions then. The Screen Actors Guild had already been formed in 1933 by no less a personage than Boris Karloff, among others.
2 likes@Night Fall Jus' facts
0 likes@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal The SAG President when Wizard was being made was Ralph Morgan (who, incidentally, was the brother of Frank Morgan).
0 likesRonald Reagan served at the Guild's President from 1947 to 1952, and again from 1959 to 1960.
@Zey Face The USA is also a Union, and he made it great.
0 likes@Zey Face LMHO Obviously, you weren't there.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Ragen singlehandedly killed the American dream
0 likes@Zey Face Are you suggesting that a country that has a 95% tax rate cares about the last few pennies they earn? BAHAAHAHAHA!!! You're a GDI!!!
0 likes@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal I have no clue what you're trying to say with that second comment.
0 likesHe sure took a ton of credit for it but it's more like he just happened to be president when the Soviet Union collapsed from internal stress
@Zey Face Okay, so the fact is that the USSR claimed to have a booming economy but organic estimates at the CIA were 1/6th of the claimed value. Wall Street was heavily in bed with the USSR and regularly bailed them out with cash injections when the going got tough. Reagan put a moratorium on investments into the Soviet Union which made him highly unpopular on Wall Street. He then proceeded to engage the Soviets in an arms race knowing he could collapse it.
1 likeReagan was the instrument by which the Cold War ended without a shot and it's not even debatable unless you're completely ignorant. The fall of the Berlin Wall was then inevitable. This was ALL Reagan.
Now, you can argue that the collapse of the USSR ultimately led to the social strife the USA has today because it's never good to lack an enemy as a country. Indeed all the weak children of today are a result of not continuing the Cold War, but to claim Reagan was just there when life happened is either ignorant, stupid or disingenuous.
You know, this actually explains why the hanging munchkin is such a believable thing.
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Except that it's totally implausible, especially since the scene in questions was completed a week before the Singer Midgets arrived at MGM.
0 likesIt’s called a joke.
1 likeThis kept popping in my reccomended videos. I had no intrest in it, and I wanted it to go away...
0 likes...until I saw who made it.
EmpLemon can turn a documentary of a topic that I'd normally avoid into something that I'll watch as soon as I possibly can.
He may not do YTPs anymore, but he's still on the Downward Spiral that we know and love him for.
Great video, and special props to Rusty Cage for that hilarious song!
0 likesJack Haley had this quote about the Wizard of Oz (which may even come up in this video later on) when he was asked if it was a fun and enjoyable experience for him. "It was not fun. Like hell it was fun. It was a lot of hard work. It was not fun at all."
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And he was right. Acting in a movie even The Wizard of Oz is not fun and games. It's hard work. They have to memorize their lines. They have to get up at an ungodly hour to get their make-up put on. Not to mention how many times they have to perform a certain scene until it is done just right. Even then it might not make it into the final film.
5 likes@Melissa Cooper shrug That's showbiz, and it hasn't changed. I mean, of course they have to memorize lines, that's rather a requirement. :-)
0 likesHe starred in a Sunday night radio show before, during, and after the time he was working on "Wizard," and while the movie was in production, he would work in a lot of lines and jokes about how it was to make the movie, and the problems he encountered in his Tin Woodman suit, like being mistaken for a mailbox or someone trying to pull his arm and hit the jackpot. Playing the Woodman exhausted him, but he found the radio show cathartic and welcomed every Sunday evening.
0 likesOne of the cast members on that show was Lucille Ball, who years later appeared on T.V. on "The Donny & Marie Osmond Show" in a skit called "The Wizard of Oz-mond," in which she played a variation on her old boss's role, namely Tin Lizzie. :-)
@MaskedMan66 Even if it's a requirement, I want you to imagine yourself in those poor souls` shoes, waking up at 4AM during the godly sunrise every single day just to be tortured in god-forsaken costume(s) during acting scenes. It would be Hell.
1 like@Celesteal No, that's what actors call work. It's always been that way. It's still that way.
0 likesto be fair though, it's a job it can't be all fun
0 likes@MaskedMan66 no, it isn't, actors are not fed meth to be kept up for days straight in physically dangerous situations to the point of almost dying, that is not "just work", that does not still happen, and it was not acceptable than, literally why are you trying to argue this?
1 like@James Bailey Nobody used meth, and the shooting day was only eight hours long-- and being a minor, Judy Garland was only permitted to work for half of that time. She had at least two hours when she had to be taking her lessons from the studio tutor, and the rest was free time.
0 likesRead these books and get the real facts: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
@MaskedMan66 dude why do you attempt to defend one of the most well documented productions out there, we all know it was horrible, can you explain why you feel the need to pretend that the movie production was not horrible for the actors
1 like@James Bailey The costumes and make-up for Haley and Lahr were uncomfortable. Bolger's costume was not uncomfortable, but his make-up was. The lights were beastly hot. But if you know anything at all about movies, then you know that this was the case not just for "The Wizard of Oz," bur for many movies.
0 likesAnd it's not really that much different now. Studio lights may not be as hot, but for movies that go on location to hot climates, the effect is much the same. Costumes and make-up in many cases have remained stifling and heavy.
Jack Haley certainly had it better in his buckram Tin Woodman costume than Anthony Daniels did in his fiberglass See-Threepio costume. And the hot lights of the "Wizard of Oz" set were shut off at regular intervals for the cast to cool down. Not so the sun over Tunisia, where Daniels, making the first "Star Wars" movie, had to trudge through the desert!
"Wizard" may be a unique film, but its conditions were not. Much harsher conditions, much more uncomfortable situations, and far worse injuries have plagued dozens of other movies.
@MaskedMan66 "some things were worse" does not make the thing you're defending good
1 like@James Bailey What I defend is the truth. There are a lot of lies told about this movie and the people in it and the people who made it. I'm just here to set the record straight.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 yes I understand your position on this by now so can you please stop deflecting and just answer the question
0 likes@James Bailey I answered it.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You have not. why are you this obssesed over this particular film shoot, why does it matter so much to you
0 likes@MaskedMan66 you still haven't answered why you care about this movie so much
0 likes@James Bailey That wasn't what you asked me in the first place, but since you have now, I'll tell you: it's based on one of my favorite stories and contains a brilliant cast and one of the best musical scores ever written. Why, don't you like it?
0 likesIt's unfortunate that this film's groundbreaking achievements were born from some of the most harsh labor problems, conditions, and hazards to happen in the industry.
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History repeats itself. The comparison to the pyramids at the end is spot on.
12 likes@Os the cost of progress is often brutal
3 likesBack then, they would use real guns firing live rounds for scenes with shootouts. Plenty of people died or got hurt trying to make movies. It wouldn't be until the 60's that any kind of actual labor standards for film would start to come up in any serious way. Now there is a crap ton of regulations and laws surrounding filmmaking, because of all these things.
10 likesWhenever something revolutionary happens, someone has to get hurt. It’s very sad though.
4 likesCompared to some movies, before and since, this was a walk in the park.
0 likes@Caleb OKAY Of course they used real guns; they still do. The secret is that they fire blanks.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 no, the fuck it wasn't. this is one of the most horrific productions in film history, why are you trying to defend it? do you think you aren't allowed to like the film if the actors were mistreated?
1 like@James Bailey The actors loved the film, especially Margaret Hamilton. They weren't "mistreated"; it was just hard work, like any movie. "Gone With the Wind" had more woes than "Wizard."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 this is not "hard work", getting blown up is not "hard work", being force fed meth is not "hard work", getting copper poisoning and lung problems from inhaling metal is not "hard work". this is not normal for movies. one production being worse does not make this one better. explain why you feel the need to defend this production, what do you gain out of it. you can enjoy the film and acknowledge the actors were mistreated. the actors can like the movie even though they were mistreated. you can't just keep pulling shit out of your ass and then telling people to read three entire books about it
2 likes@MaskedMan66 You realize something can be bad even if it wasn't deliberatly intended to be bad right? You understand thosee are not mutually exclusive concepts right? "the books" are a concept, either pull direct quotes or stop bringing them up.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 Also you are objectivly denyinh reality by saying no one was giving stimulants against their will or or got health issues from the sets, that just isn't true. again, why are you defending the production like this, what does it matter to you
2 likes@James Bailey I am indeed denying that people were given anything against their will, or got "health issues" from the sets. Read up, sir, and learn what really did and did not happen. The books (which require no quotation marks, as they literally are books) are full of information as regards the making of the movie, and supplemented with the words of the people who were there. How you think you can just discount that is bizarre.
0 likesI'm the biggest Judy fan ! i know a lot about her life and love her live performances. I've done a couple of her songs in my drag acts. She went on to have a very hard life an d a lot of it stemmed from the abuse she received during this movie and at MGM in general. They're the one who made her start taking the pills.
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Her mother was the one who introduced her to barbiturates and amphetamines when she was 13. But she didn't use them during this movie, and was not abused by anyone; LeRoy and Fleming would not have allowed it.
0 likesMy strongest memory related to this movie is that I got a nosebleed that wouldn't stop for almost an hour while watching it at a friend's house when I was six.
0 likesI hope that if/when I go to Hollywood and become a breakthrough director/producer/writer I can help the crews, actors, and people who will work with me on a masterpiece
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That's what Victor Fleming did; whatever movies he directed, he always asked for the cast's input on how they felt their characters should be portrayed. For instance, he took Jack Haley's suggestion that everyone should evoke a sense of wonder; Haley did that in the manner in which he spoke as the Tin Woodman, which was the tone of voice he used when reading bedtime stories to his children. And you may remember the Lollipop Guild raising clasped hands over their heads and shaking them like winning athletes; that was an ad lib that Jerry Maren put in during a rehearsal, and Fleming laughed and told him to use it in the movie.
0 likesjesus christ. as someone who’s family was in the biz i grew up on golden age hollywood flicks like this. i heard stories of brutal sets and shoots but this goes beyond. I think of Raiders shooting in Tunisia and how they all got dysentery, but cast members almost dying and removing copper paint from a burn victim really puts it all into perspective. I hope at least the actors were proud of what they did at the end, otherwise i really don’t think it was worth it…
0 likes"It is art, not the artist, that stands the test of time."
584 likesPeople will remember you for what you do, because it's your actions that define who you are.
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I guess no one said the artist can't be the art themselves.
28 likesMore like "that's a very obvious observation of mortality, Emp." As is the case with this comment.
32 likesIs Emp like a philosophy or psych student or something? Because he always seems to want to make these ties to very elementary concepts in those fields with this gravitas like they're fucking mind-blowing and deep when they're all really basic and naïve perspectives of existentialism. I didn't major/minor in philosophy, but I've been into it since freshman year highschool and some of Emps attempts at being deep reek of "Freshman who read one essay by Nietzsche and wants everyone to know." We haven't even questioned the validity of empiricism yet ffs.
Like, the info in the video is cool, but the end portion was really "wannabe deep" about things that are REALLY basic concepts.
@Ozvoid there's that saying that people usually cant look at the artist without thinking about the art
6 likes@Secular Ascetic I personally just see it more as him making the most out of a concept or subject.
38 likesIt's essentially him appreciating small, obscure, or seemingly insignificant concepts, and his message is usually that sometimes we need to appreciate those things too.
He doesn't care if people don't care to appreciate these things, because they actually aren't important. The reason he does this for those looking to appreciate something.
He's not stating to himself, as if his mind was blown from the information, but instead is for others that never thought about these kinds of things.
It's a niche really, that's all.
@Secular Ascetic Its not like the whole field of philosophy is surface level or anything
13 likes@Mr. Onay it isn't. Empiricism is surface level.
4 likes@Secular Ascetic Get over yourself. This is a video about the wizard of oz and the excesses of hollywood, it's not meant to be an essay on philosophy. Emp never made the claim that he was a philosopher, or that any of this is meant to be deep.
38 likes@Secular Ascetic Go back to Reddit.
16 likes@norweeg Never been and refuse to go.
3 likes@Secular Ascetic yo sorry this is off-topic but what does your name mean?
0 likesAnd that's why we remember great people and evil people.
2 likes@Raymunator What??? how does that make sense sorry
0 likes@Secular Ascetic r/iamverysmart
2 likes@Secular Ascetic Most philosophy is just common sense and it shown by how different each cultures history of philosophy goes. Compare stoicism and roman philosophy to Confucism and chinese philosophy. It is simply just how each culture deals with identity and growth. I have never learned something i didn't already know from philosophy
4 likes@Mr. Onay I think he was just trying to end off the video, but I agree with your experiences with it because a lot of the time philosophy just seems over the top only to make you say “no shit Sherlock”
1 likevolunteers is a fair way to put it, but many were skilled craftsmen, paid to be there. you just can't finish the technological wonder of an eternal massive cultural monument without all the good architects engineers and project managers/logistics gold can buy.
1 likeinterestingly all the crazy theories about the monument seem to fade away if you consider that humans can lie. say your neighbor says he built a record skyscraper in 2 nanoseconds with his hands and one good worker, you don't believe him until you see the skyscraper, it's pretty large. turns out it took him and the companies who paid him to do it twelve years and thousands of workers. i'm clearly implying that lying/fabricating/hiding evidence about the difficulty/length of time to complete the pyramids (for obvious political reasons) is far more likely than the shockingly popular "aliens did it" opinion. building a tomb for a pharoah that hasn't been born yet makes sense when the purpose of the tomb is to assure your nation or way of thinking or legacy survives whatever unknowable forces the future holds,
but let's not forget about ego - surely every ruler wants the biggest and best monument to have his own dang name on it, and surely if a ruler died too soon they wouldn't just let it go to waste. it's not like ruler 37 would cancel ruler 36's 100 year project when he can just use it for himself eh
That ending was incredible.
6 likesThis is...depressing. Thank you for showing us this, Emp!
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This is... full of misinformation.
0 likesI knew that Judy died of drug addiction, but I couldn't have imagined that it was in her most-iconic, breakout role where she became addicted. No, was MADE to be addicted by her movie studio.
0 likesMargaret Hamilton was a real class act. You really couldn’t have met a nicer lady, it’s very funny that she played the wicked witch.
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The price of death
4 likesI’ve heard actors who play villains tend to be really nice off screen
6 likesAlso she was a distant cousin to Commissioner Gordon of Batman 1966 fame.
0 likes@Jared Jams That's true! I've met Dave Prowse, Jacqueline Pearce, Eric Roberts, and other people who have played some very evil characters, yet they themselves were the nicest and most genuine folks you could ever hope to meet.
1 like@thegreenbird Neil Hamilton, yep!
0 likes@Jared Jams It's like the guy who plays Cyrus on TPB is actually super cool IRL.
0 likesKinda disagree with your point at the end. Many modern actors will be remembered for who they are, because they are characters themselves. I've had hundreds of conversations where someone is describing a movie and they say "then Brad Pitt blows the guys head off" or "Charlie Sheen is a rich kid who enlists to go to Vietnam"
1 likeI've seen Platoon 3 times and I can't remember the name of Charlie Sheen's character, but I sure as fuck remember Charlie Sheen
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I don't remember the names of any characters that have been played by Arnold Schwarzenegger except for Conan.
0 likesYou know, it's true all of this happened in the past and all the bad people are dead, but the past can hurt long after
0 likesI think I'll still gladly watch the movie on occasion but hopefully, more and more people will hear about everything that happened behind the scenes and know how you SHOULDN'T treat others when making a film. Or at any time for that matter
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There are so many lies told about the filming, but the truth is that the cast and crew got along fine. Nobody was deliberately mistreated, and in fact, Victor Fleming, the director, always asked for the cast's input as regards how they played their characters, how they interacted, and he even asked the four principals to offer their ideas to the design department as to what they thought the Jitterbug should look like.
0 likesI don’t ever want to direct a movie with conditions this bad. The health of my cast and crew is more important.
1 likeAbsolutely fucking brilliant work.
1 likeExtremely accurate, over-detailed (just how I like it), & you even taught me a couple of things. Like, I didn't know Bert Lahr was a hypochondriac, & I'd never actually seen the lines on Ray Bolger's face from the make-up (once you pointed them out, they stuck out like a sore thumb in any photo of that time).
Great video, man. A couple of things are off, but not by much, if at all. Loving your work. Especially the attention to detail. Keep it up.
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Only about 20% accurate, and that's being generous.
0 likesTry EXPLORE WITH US' video. That 20% would be VERY generous. This is accurate. Not entirely (for instance, only the Scarecrow's costume for the Witch's Castle moment was made of asbestos for fireproofing reasons), but almost all of it is fucking bang on.
0 likesYou're not John Fricke, mate.
@Zayden Napier Wrong; Bolger just had an asbestos sleeve under the left sleeve of the tunic for the burning scene. I don't have to be John Fricke, I just have to read what he's written about the movie, and so I have. Maybe you'd like to. ;-)
0 likes@Zayden Napier I would also recommend the writings of Aljean Harmetz and the team of Jay Scarfone and William Stillman.
0 likesHuh, it was his arm. I always assumed they made a double of the entire costume for that scene.
1 likeThanks for teaching me something.
@Zayden Napier You're welcome. 🙂
1 likeChild actors suffering identity crises' makes total sense when you think about something incredibly simple: they are constantly pretending to be something they're not while their minds are still developing a sense of self. Of COURSE they'll struggle figuring out who they are. They've spent their entire lives wearing one mask to the next. They never had time to build their own character, only the characters that were demanded of them.
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How much free time do child stars nowadays have?
2 likesI mean, it wouldn't be such a problem if the crew was, you know? Nice to them? But alas that is too much.
5 likesHuh. Reminds me of my sister with manic depression.
1 likeChildren naturally fantasize and play roles while building their identities
15 likesThe problem is that child actors were forced to play such specific roles for such long hours while being treated like shit that completely ruins someone's mind, add that to the drug use and sexual abuse you have the perfect case of fucked up childhood
@Gino Gatash If you're referring to Judy, the cast and crew of Wizard got along fine with her, and she with them.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 proof?
0 likesNice way to dove tail dark side of the moon into the mix I'll always think about playing both simultaneously
0 likesFrank Morgan (the man who played the psychic with the crystal ball also the wizard and the gate keeper) needed a jacket for his character and picked one up at a thrift store. he dug into the pockets and found out later the jacket had originally belonged to L. Frank Baum
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Professor Marvel wasn't a psychic, he was a humbug, like the Wizard. Frank Morgan played Marvel, the Wizard, the Guardian of the Gates, the Cabman, and Omby Amby the Palace Guard.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 well regardless he was wearing the jacket made by the arthur of the book
0 likesWe need to stop letting children work for Hollywood it almost always ends in tragedy
0 likesThese actors and actresses sacrificed so much for their art.
0 likesReal fans remember when the video was called "The Wizard of Oz an the Dark Side of Hollywood"
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yes
40 likesyes
20 likesit's still showing up to me like that
197 likesSo right now
59 likes🙋!
51 likesImagine if it didnt change though
I remember, yes.
8 likesYour assuming he didn’t mean to do that
9 likesStill there for me
5 likesYep
2 likesTacoma Speeway Never Ever Dale Earnhardt
6 likesWhat If emp Just never Changes the Titel to make you a fool?
23 likesYEAH
1 likeI still see it like that doe
2 likesStill there
1 likeThe nostalgia.
5 likesInb4 he changes it
3 likesno
1 likeSus
1 likeplz change title I want this comment to age well
6 likesCorrect
1 like@Pedro M64 Same here
1 likeyes
3 likesYuppity duppity
1 likeyeah
1 likeYea lol
1 likewas gonna comment exactly that
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4 likesumm
1 likePoopoopoopooopooipoopoopoopoopoopoo
1 likecalling it
1 likeYes
3 likesYes
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3 likeshere
1 likeYessir
1 likeWdym? It's still called that, am I missing a joke or something?
6 likesIt’s still says that for me
1 likeFuck i was too late
1 likeAlternate comment: early viewers and fans who got the notification know that the title was originally "The Wizard of Oz an the Dark Side of Hollywood"
3 likesHahah that's the version I'm watching right now!!!
2 likesYes
3 likesThat’s how it shows up in my notifications
1 likeStill here for me, going to reload the site soon. See you fellas on the other side.
2 likesyes
3 likesDamn straight
1 likeyes
3 likesi remember 😂
3 likesLol he rushed it
1 likeYes
3 likes😈
1 likeYup
1 likeLmao yeah
1 likeThat was 15 fucking minutes ago
1 likeYes
3 likesI was here
1 likeIt's still that for me? Did Emp change it? Lemme refresh real quick.
1 likeI was so confused when I saw the notification
1 like@MasicBemester me too
1 likeNotification gang
1 likeyes?
1 likeWhat
1 likeStill shows up as that on my notifications haha.
1 likeYea
3 likesHow long do you give it before it’s changed?
0 likesits probably going to have something to do with the art of "prestige" or "dedication" or something like that
0 likesIt still is
0 likesStill is?
0 likesOh fck I'm too late
1 likeI appreciate you calling us all real fans :)
0 likesYea a couple minutes ago
0 likesIt always had that title, you need to take your pills grandpa
2 likesOh no. Is it gonna get changed?
0 likes@Pedro M64 same, but I know that it's because the video title hasn't changed.
0 likesIndeed
0 likesYes
2 likesits still like that for me
0 likesyes
2 likesIt still shown like that in the notification for me
0 likesCall me a real fan then baby
0 likesi saw it in notifs but when i clicked it it was changed
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0 likes@Jack H you are a real fan
0 likesoh true
1 likeYEAHAHA
1 likeyes
3 likesIt still is.
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1 likepeople who havent refreshed yet
0 likesYes
2 likesWe wait
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2 likesStill says it in my notifications
0 likesIkr like an hour ago
0 likesIt still has the typo in my notifacations, lol.
0 likesLmao I was about to comment that
1 like@shwibble glibble i hope he doesn't change this title because he wants to troll you XD
1 like@Bubalack Gaming he often changes the title and the thumbnail of the videos after few hours, the comments is calling it out in anticipation.
2 likesHelp burf my toibet its on fiwre
0 likesYeah I saw it in my notifications
0 likesYup.
0 likesY’all just got played
0 likesI DON’T GET IT
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2 likesstill is:)
0 likesIs it no longer like that?
0 likesWhat do you mean its the samz
1 likeyes
2 likesAyt my nigga
0 likesWait did he change it?
0 likeser
0 likesLol
0 likesImma become an hero now, lol.
0 likesyea
0 likes@The Universal stegosaurus it had a typo, it said an instead of and
0 likes@Dubleclick44 no it's not, it said an instead of and
0 likes@Josh Mcsqueelie no it's not:) it was an instead of and
0 likes@popcornweasel gaming it was an insead of and
0 likes@why haha so true, im just blind
0 likesI have a screenshot of the original title
0 likesI haven’t reloaded my page so mine still says that…I’ll screen shot it
0 likesSo the diffrence is in the d.
0 likesYes I do
0 likesIf someone changes the title of their video the notification of that video will not change and still be the orignal title.
1 likeits... still called that tho?
0 likesyes
2 likesApparently, so will non-fans
0 likesHa ha spelling
0 likesYes
1 likeTo say “The Dark Side” on a Wizard of Oz vid... many of us know about the legend of a certain album syncing with a certain movie.
0 likesAnd when the N word was in the title yeah
0 likesAs to the Egyptian "volunteers", its a little misleading to call them entirely voluntary. Its believed these workers came from a system similar to Torato Omanuto in Israel. Although military service is "compulsory" in Israel, in reality only about 35% of the population ends up serving in the military while the other 65% find a way out. One of those "outs" is by studying at a Yeshiva which is a school studying the Torah. MANY israeli young men go to Yeshivas every year SPECIFICALLY to avoid military service.
0 likesIt is believed that this is similar to where the workforce for the Pyramids came from. Young men had compulsory military service UNLESS they volunteered to be laborours in the Pharaoh's religious quest of building a tomb. So while they are not specifically "slaves", it is quite likely that they are not doing it entirely voluntarily. To many of these workers it was likely seen as a way to avoid military service.
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In fact, some scholars even argue that the Israelites took this idea of religious service exemption from military service from the Egyptians. Although the Bible describes the israelites as slaves in egypt its likely they were just a religious group that was doing the "religious labor" in order to avoid military service.
0 likesThe mention of copper poisoning and its relation to alzheimers was just terrifying
0 likesI’ve heard so many horror stories that this could have been 10x longer
0 likesBrilliant
0 likesExtremely well made and well researched
I've heard of Hollywood horror stories, but this is just heartbreaking. The lengths some people will go to see their dreams become reality is scary.
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This is the dark and very scary truth in the business of acting.
7 likes@Spongiroth EnaPants - EnaTenkiyoGaming Nothing dark, nothing scary; it was just hard work.
0 likesThis video is full of gross exaggerations. Read up and get the real story from the people who know: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesIf I was part of the production of The Wizard of OZ, I’d literally quit after the first day.
0 likesWe’ve had documentaries but I’d like to see a dramatized version of the film’s production. It would be eye opening.
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As long as John Fricke was producer so that the record would be kept straight.
0 likesThere is a great parallel to the entertainment boom of the 30’s and the housing market crash of 2008 and all the absolutely fantastic films and video games released that year. It’s undeniable how Great the Dark Knight, The Force Unleashed, Grand Theft Auto IV, and Grand Torino as entertainment are and they were all released in 2008.
4 likes800 dollars in that time would be like $15,000 today. You gotta count inflation
6 likesI also heard somewhere that Margaret Hamilton was one of the few people on the set that was actually nice to Judy Garland. Everybody else (even her co-stars) would always scold and yell at her, which sometimes resulted in her crying.
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Nope, that's a lie. The truth is that Judy loved to laugh and was always asking Bolger, Haley, and Lahr to tell her jokes; they were happy to oblige, but there were some that they thought best to keep from her young ears.
37 likes@Amberphylaxis All I do is tell the truth; it's rather astonishing how angry people get when confronted with the truth.
13 likes@MaskedMan66 It's rather astonishing how much time you have to go to each comment and try to correct people. My point still stands, go touch grass.
83 likes@Amberphylaxis It takes no time at all, and you would do well to read some reputable books on the movie rather than visiting sensationalist websites. You see, it's not me correcting, it's the correct information that does the correcting.
15 likesProbably because Margaret Hamilton had the hots for Judy.
8 likes@Amberphylaxis what's wrong with correcting misinformation?
18 likes@MaskedMan66 this is your brain on reddit:
26 likes@infa Never been there. I stick to authoritative books. :-)
1 like@MaskedMan66 just because its a book dosen't mean the information is more reliable 🤨
39 likes@infa are you trying to argue that it would have been better to be misinformed?
4 likes@Lylelanley99 uh what 😐
1 like@File when did i ever say that
4 likes@Amberphylaxis if anything u do lmaoo
0 likes@Amberphylaxis oh yeah sorry wrong reply on wrong comment
0 likes@infa you are arguing against the guy who corrected it
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Since you like truth, tell me about baking cookies.
5 likes@infa If the books are written by people who have spent decades researching the film and/or spoken with the people involved in the making of the film (Aljean Harmetz interviewed forty-eight actors and behind-the-scenes people), then you may be sure that they are more reliable.
3 likes@The Yeetmeister It's fun, and as long as the recipe is followed, the results are delicious.
3 likes@Amberphylaxis did he say something incredibly offensive then edit it?
1 likeIronic that the villain's actress was one of the few people who were nice to the protagonist.
4 likes@Amberphylaxis if anyone here is being toxic and starting a flame war, it's you
4 likes@Deniz Metin T. They were all nice to her; she'd worked with some of them before and had formed friendships with them, and the ones she met for the first time became lifelong friends.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 I sometimes wonder what your comment was like before you edited it.
3 likes@SomebodyHere Much the same as anyone else's, with a misspelling here, a missing bit of punctuation there, a phrase that could be better worded elsewhere. You must know what proofreading is.
2 likes@SomebodyHere Now, how about we talk about the movie? :-D
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Being correct is easy. being able to convince people is hard, doing so in a sympathetic and understandable way is even harder.
2 likesBeing in the comment section under EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT correcting people is not a good look even if you are correct and more or less cordial.
Please keep this in mind.
@Arnold Thomsen I'm not "correcting people," I'm correcting mistaken impressions and outright lies. People somehow take that personally.
1 like@MaskedMan66 People tend to do that when you ''challenge'' them.
2 likesI understand your position, but the truth of the matter is, most people are not autistic enough to handle ''THE TRUTH.''
@MaskedMan66 it is an endearing term meant to describe extreme focus and a single subject, or on the truth to the detriment of social skills.
0 likes@Arnold Thomsen First time I've heard it used that way. I doubt too many people consider it a term of endearment.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 but you did understand the message, right?
0 likes@Arnold Thomsen Only after you explained it. As it went out, it could easily have been taken as prejudicial. That's why I asked.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 thats fair. no hard feelings.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Margaret Hamilton was indeed very nice to Judy Garland
0 likes@infa It does when the people who wrote the books did in-depth research which included speaking to the people who were there. For her 1977 book "The Making of The Wizard of Oz," Aljean Harmetz interviewed 48 actors and behind-the-scenes people.
0 likesVery insightful video sir, also big points to sneaking a Chip-tune version of ''Any Colour You Like'' by Pink Floyd in the background as there are many that feel the movie and Dark Side of the Moon sync up :D
0 likesI swear when a year passes this channel gets so much better
0 likesit also sad that the actor for the witch kids were scared by her, so mr roger guest appearance was nice to allowed show her real side and it made me happy but also sad that the woman was known as scary witch.
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Margaret Hamilton was an actress, and kids weren't scared of her in real life.
0 likesI can imagine if they were alive today, the hypersexualization of their characters would've been a final blow to their self esteem. The actor for toto would've been constantly harassed by Peta, putting stress on the dog due to his caretakers fighting over him. Not to mention the current climate of pop culture, where shipping is the norm. This includes the horrific truth of real people being shipped by stans. One can imagine what Stan Culture must've been like in the 30s...
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"Hypersexualization?" What the heck are you talking about?
0 likesIt's sad to see how happy and cartoony everyone was on-screen, but how much injuries, and dark conditions they had to do to make oz come to life.
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Maybe it was a good thing they never bothered doing a sequel back then because later books in the series would probably tax the cast way more due to being more epic in scope and harder to adapt with the technology of the time. Its good to quit while youre ahead as i can only imagine how much more screwed up the cast would be if they made this into a series.
13 likesHoly fuck honestly this film doesn't seem worth the entertainment it gave compared to the amount of suffering it created for those who made it. I could honestly say I would have rather it not have ever existed than have it exist and all these bad things happen to these people.
5 likesNot "dark," just diffucult, like working on any movie. The people who made "Gone With the Wind" had much more drama on their set.
0 likes@jgm 4789 There was talk of doing a sequel, and both Ray Bolger and Judy Garland would have been up for it, but once the movie was out and the promotional tours were over, everyone was already off on other projects. Besides, I doubt they could have paid Jack Haley enough to put on the buckram suit again.
0 likesI've always wondered, though, how they would have done "The Marvelous Land of Oz." Though Dorothy wasn't in the book, audiences would have insisted on her being worked in so they could see Judy in the role again. The central character Tip could have been played by Judy's pal Mickey Rooney, and maybe Buddy Ebsen could have finally made it to Oz as Jack Pumpkinhead. There was a hilarious Irish character actress named Una O'Connor, who would have been a perfect Mombi.
@Michael VandeVusse Everybody in the film considered it well worth the hard work; Margaret Hamilton, who suffered the most of anyone in the cast, loved the movie and was one of its biggest fans. She always appeared at Oz events and conventions, and even played the Wicked Witch many more times, both on stage and T.V.
0 likesYou have to understand that ANY movie is hard to make and that difficulties with costumes and special effects and other things were commonplace; even today you still get actors having injuries and other things going wrong. "Wizard" is by no means unique.
a lot of great works of art require sacrifices, such as the room
0 likes"Eventually, only the characters remain"
2 likesIn most cases, yeah, but some actors' sheer memetic impact makes them incapable of being considered proper "actors" anymore IMO; they can no longer blend into a character, rather, they find themselves absorbing the character into themselves altogether. Are there distinct characters, for instance, that people recognize Arnold Schwarzenegger as having played (besides the T-800), or are there merely "shades" of Arnold Schwarzenegger?
The same could be said for Dwayne Johnson, Keanu Reeves (most people don't remember Neo as "Tom Anderson"; to them, Keanu Reeves is Neo), Clint Eastwood, Nicholas Cage, Will Smith, Scarlet Johansson, Sean Connery, Bill Murray, Robin Williams; I could go on, but you get the picture. Whether it's due to an idiosyncratic screen presence they effect, the amnesia of the public, or a defining role that dooms them to being typecast a certain way, actors like this are more known for "playing themselves" in the role, lacking the ability to truly blend, in spite of talent.
Robin Williams' demonstrated acting talent, but the cultural phenomenon that surrounded him, his cult of personality, and his affect often made it so you didn't really remember the character so much as you remembered Robin Williams "existing" in the movie. Nicholas Cage's trademark "coke freak-out" guaranteed to manifest in at least one scene per film, for instance, separates the actor's performance from its peers in such a way through both the sheer gratuity of it, and oddly the realism it offers, that you almost never remember the character he played, only Cage. It's like Cage himself is non-diagetic: these outbursts (seen in Ghost Rider, Color out of Space, Wicker Man, to name a few) simultaneously break, and reinforce immersion. You might see someone in a situation where their sense of reality is being broken (such as in Color out of Space) pound their car steering wheel and call the machine a "cocksucker" for failing to remove them from the hell of torment they find themselves in, but you don't really expect it to be played so straight, you expect it to be played /cool/. You expect the film to give you a role model, or a competence fantasy, but Cage gives you flaws, even when the other actors surrounding him don't; he is always somehow out of place. An actor like Ian McKellan is overshadowed by his characters; Gandalf and Magneto in particular, but Bill Murray is simply always Bill Murray. Clint Eastwood might have played an assortment of different gunslingers, and has dabbled in numerous genres, but even "The Man with No Name" is rendered somewhat ironic, since most people just call him "Clint". Sean Connery's accent, Johansson's expressive, fapable, yet strangely wholesome features, Will Smith's infectious vibe; these actors can no longer blend into characters because they themselves, ARE characters.
These people's celebrity, the natural ease with which it seems to come to them, and somehow abide them while ripping everyone else to pieces; it has made them into icons, similar to a crucifix, or the symbol for Yin/Yang. It's made worse by the fact that these people and their celebrity are a form of common experience which people can relate to one another. Watching Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, in the 90s, bound certain groups of people (especially the younger ones) to one another through the sense of familiarity; that intense recognition that the aesthetic of the show triggers which can be akin to a powerful childhood memory. As a result of this association, no matter what half-baked project Smith is wasting his time with, you can bet people won't care what the character's name is in script, because they already know his name is Will. Some of these actors have a role with which they can achieve synergy (Reeves as Neo/John Wick, Schwarzenegger as the T-800, Murray as Phil Connors) by being written in such a way that the actor's cultural distinction "fills in" the character, rather than simply consuming it altogether, but roles that well matched don't come around very often. A guy like Christian Bale will undergo extreme physical transformations in order to become the characters he plays, but after playing Batman in Nolan's trilogy, what skinsuit will fit him anymore? Willem Dafoe, like Bale, dangles from the same thread; both actors can blend into a character well, but doing so as effectively as they have for as long as they have eventually leads to a moment where they make that "memetic impact" that solidifies them in the consciousness of even those who don't remember anything about the movies they watch.
"WHERE ARE THE OTHER TRUCKS GOING?!"
"YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?!"
Some part of your brain doesn't accept Arnold Schwarzenegger telling you he's "Howard" in Jingle All the Way, it says "I know you, your name is Arnold".
If I were the family of these actors I would sue the hell outta MGM. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for treating them this way. After watching this I will never watch The Wizard of Oz again.
0 likesI don't know if you take suggestions but I think "there will never be another youtuber like James Rolfe" would make for a great video. Love your content <3.
0 likes13:34 Just to let you know, corsets weren't actually that tight. At least historically accurate ones and ones that are made well and fit your body. Perhaps they didn't look much into it though and rushed it as most filmmakers do.
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She was deemed "too fat" (even though she isn't) so they need to find a way to "thin" her
0 likes@ComradeKenobi Okay, but corsets aren't uncomfortable, that's what I'm pointing out.
0 likes@Hannah BG yeah I'm not supporting the ignorant producers
0 likesThey just try to exploit their workers and actors to make a film of their liking
@ComradeKenobi Well, neither am I. I'm just pointing out the common corset misconceptions.
0 likes@ComradeKenobi She was overweight when she first came to MGM at the age of 13, reason being that she loved eating. She had trimmed some by 1938, but she had also blossomed. Between a corset created by an eccentric woman from Europe and physical training from her stuntwoman Bobbie Koshay, Judy managed to appear prepubescent.
0 likes@ComradeKenobi What do you think Mervyn LeRoy didn't know?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 amogus
0 likes@ComradeKenobiSorry to hear that; get well soon.
0 likesJesus Christ the longer you watch the more of a real life horror story this becomes
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My jaw dropped with every actor(res) talked about.
8 likesIn class, we were discussing how The Truman Show predicted actor exploitation, but here, it's clear it was always the case.
7 likesReal life can be pretty horrifying. Once modern society collapses due to rising costs and over-regulation that makes life impossible for people, you're going to find out.
3 likes@Name Nameson Whats over-regulation to you? If you think about it, most of the stuff that happened to these actors happened because of no regulations at all.. The rising cost of living though, for sure thats gonna do us in.
0 likes@Pwn3r Well I'm no expert on anything, really, so I couldn't tell you specifically how much regulation is too much when it comes to various industries. BUT, I do know that we are regulating ourselves out of being able to function, and places like China are picking up what we're losing. So there is clearly a problem here.
0 likesOur regulation is 1-sided. We shut ourselves down and make life impossible for ourselves, and then do nothing to prevent our global competition, that is actually quite hostile towards us and is in their own internal policies AT WAR with us, from gaining an advantage. This is suicidal really.
@MaskedMan66 bro you've been coming back to this comment section for a month seriously go touch some grass this is really concerning
2 likes@All Smiles You think truth is "concerning?" Now, that is concerning.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 dude literally what is your problem
3 likes@James Bailey My problem is people believing lies. Don't you think lies are bad?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Just answer the question please
1 like@James Bailey I did.
0 likesLike Pink Floyd once said “I’ll see you on the dark side of Hollywood...”
12 likesOr was it something else?
the whole set sounds like a nightmare
2 likesthat why im glad i know King Jesus so i dont sell out for anything like that kind of nightmarish fuel movie set. plus 100 degrees and not being treated right, mgm doesn't deserve that money, people who are homeless or suffering deserve it~💜
all the actors/actresses seem so nice they didn't deserve that i just want to give them all a big hug/pat on the back~
also ty for the hard work you've done on this video and all the others, hope everyone is cozy, safe, blessed and sending everyone the best of good vibes~
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It wasn't a nightmare, and a set is just a sound stage; they used a lot of them in the movie. It was hard work under hot lights, but so was any Technicolor movie; they had the same thing going on over at Gone With the Wind and other color movies. The accidents were few and far between, however devastating they were, and neither Judy Garland nor anyone was deliberately tortured or mistreated.
0 likesOn the bright side, Judy did make the right call by refusing to get involved with any future pyrotechnics considering the damage her stunt double immediately suffered afterwards. Still, it's utterly sick the torture all these actors had to go through. At least their best shall live on in history.
0 likesThank Christ for CGI.
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Bobbie Koshay didn't get injured by any pyrotechnics. And we're not talking about "torture" as deliberate mistreatment, it was just hard work. But welcome to the world of moviemaking; it's always been, and still is, a hard job.
0 likes09:33 By the way, you know who had to eat their food through a straw as well? Denise Nickerson. She wasn't allowed to get out of the blueberry costume, so she had to get producers feed her through a long straw in order to make her feel quenched and full.
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Why would producers do that? More likely it was an on set assistant.
0 likesFun fact: Judy Garland didn't know that the land of Oz would be in color, so her reaction in the film is totally real!
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No.
17 likesI’m assuming that this is a joke about real life being black and white?
89 likesAack
4 likes@James Green While I doubt the capacity to miss some big ass rainbow coloured wonderland inside a large studio warehouse, I'd imagine what he's trying to say is that because the movie was probably made wholly in color, the sepia part of it was an actual room painted in sepia, allowing the actress to visually track the sudden change to colour.
16 likesYeah only certain spots in the world actually had color to it back then. To just visit there cost an arm and a leg, literally. But hey after we killed Hitler and made the emperor Hirohito cry, color filtered throughout the land.
15 likes@sleazyfellow I don't know, the Cold War had a lot of red and blue
5 likeslol was the room supposed to be painted black and white? Actually now that i think about it you're probably joking dont woosh me
6 likesYes, she did; in fact, everybody knew because it was announced in the press, and the cast were all briefed on the fact that the lights they would be using to achieve Technicolor would be hotter than the sort of studio lights they were used to. Her reaction to Munchkinland in the movie was acting.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 it's a joke. The world wasn't black and white back then.
0 likes@Akiel Steewart Who said that it was?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 The joke is that the commenter thinks the world was black and white back then. So he thinks that Judy was surprised that the place was in color, even tho everything everywhere was in color.
3 likes@Akiel Steewart I hope the OP doesn't really think that!
1 like@MaskedMan66 it was a joke. Although it Wasn’t as funny as you not seeing that.
0 likes@James Green If you say so. ;-)
0 likesThe movie’s producers: “Some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice we are willing to make”
1 likeHonestly, crying at this video. These stories are harrowing...
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And in some cases, exaggerated, or indeed lied about. It was a tough job, and accidents did happen. But if you think "Wizard" is the only movie in history to have production problems, then you have much to learn.
0 likesIm really glad that I instantly recognized the 8-bit rendition of “Any Colour you Like” by Pink Floyd. Nice song choice.
0 likesIt's funny how the title refers to the phenomenon where the pink floyd's dark side of the moon sounds eerily apt when played alongside the wizard of oz, also known as "the dark side of the oz"
0 likesIt’s crazy how common these scenarios are in the entertainment industry. Crunch culture in the gaming industry is similar to this. I’ve heard of people in studios working over 80 hrs a week.
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Construction too. I'm done with working 70 to 80 hours a week doing dangerous shit in 100 degree weather.
32 likesI worked on Lone Ranger from January to October. I averaged 90 hours a week.
10 likesStill going strong 80 hours a week anywhere from -30 to 30 celsius Canada. My buddy is a game programmer and gets paid $80/hr working from home now, triple what I'm getting and a lot comfier. Maybe I should have gone to school..
7 likesthats capitalism for you lol. exploitation of the workers in practically every scenario. just a cog in a machine.
3 likes@cheekybananaboy Being an entrepreneur is the best of capitalism, in fact, if you hate your job, ask someone about entrepreneurship and personal finance.
1 likeGot new pain
0 likes@Cybernaut13 “lol everyone should be an entrepreneur 4head”
4 likes@cheekybananaboy if you feel like a cog in a machine you need to develop a skill that has value. Capitalism is about mutual transactions between multiple parties. How much money are you willing to sell your time for. How much money is someone willing to give you for your time. Capitalism has flaws and isn’t a perfect system but it is by far the best and most effective that humans have ever tried. It’s way more than just “exploitation of the workers in practically every scenario”. Which itself isn’t true at all, considering almost every single employee ever has applied to work at the business for the posted wage/salary and agreed to the conditions of the job before ever even starting. You just sound upset because our current economic system you need a marketable and valuable skillset or knowledge to succeed, which you might not have. The internet is a fantastic place to learn new skills and try to improve your financial position. You just have to put in some effort.
0 likes@dylan351321 people agree to work at jobs they despise because their only other option is to go homeless and die lol what
3 likes"Nowadays there are lots of ways to make someone look green"
0 likesRemember what they took from you.
Its really sad that the horrifying details about The Wizard of Oz are often presented as quirky movie trivia or fun facts like... "did you know the actor that played the TinMan was allergic to the makeup?? Did you know the wicked witch was accidentally set on fire" instead of the negligent maiming/injury that it actually was.
0 likesI’m sorry for the pain this caused Jesus my heart!
0 likesAlthough this is very real and terrifying. It's not to say that this was uncommon in Hollywood production at the time.
0 likesThere was very little worker protection at the time, this is just because it was such a popular movie.
Although it is a good video essay.
Holy shit, asbestos snow. The wounder material!
One of the reasons I hate Hollywood and I'm selective of any movie I watch
2 likesMe: oh look a documentary about the wizard of oz, guess I'll watch it
1 likeMe 20 minutes later: Is God real
So, after watching this, I 100% believe the hanging munchkin story is real and not just an urban legend. Brought in crane my ass.
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Watch the movie; throughout the Tin Woodman sequence, there are birds everywhere, including the saurus crane. Also, the sequence was completed before any of the Singer Midgets even set foot on the MGM lot.
0 likesthe way he says "silence" with no grandeur but the flames still come up in the intro had me dying
0 likesHe started talking about the Pyramids and I was like “how tf is he gonna tie this back into the Wizard of Oz”
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Professor Marvel mentioned "the days of the Pharaohs of Egypt."
0 likesI don't think I can ever look at this movie the same way again. Learning all of this now just makes me feel sad ;(
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Much of it is false, or at the very least exaggerated. And what truth there is has been known for decades. Here are three much more reliable sources of information: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesThis is why you should all trust and not question the gods of Hollywood
1 likeThere is nothing but good vibes and innocence in the heart of film
Could you imagine if Hollywood was full of pedophiles and demons? That sure would suck guys!!
I like how you managed to avoid mentioning pink floyd the whole video long and then in the last 3 minutes I start hearing what sounds like any colour you like
0 likes"Don't have to worry about a downward spiral if we're already at the bottom."
876 likes-Hollywood, probably
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-Hollywood, definitely
29 likes-Hollywood, guaranteedly
19 likesThere is no bottom, only the infinite void of the downward spiral.
28 likes@Fennil facts. true rock bottom is 8x6 down in the Earth....
0 likesAnd with the current trends, they're practically pioneers in reaching its bottom
2 likesThey're deep inside the downward spiral now.
0 likes"Nonsense, hand my child slave a shovel." -Hollywood, most definitely
0 likesWizard of Oz really helped train Baby Boomers to ignore the suffering of others and overlook torture huh?
0 likesIt's so weird to think of how many times I've seen the movie and this is the first time I'm hearing the bs that happened on set
0 likes"...it is art, not the artist, that stands the test of time..."
1 likeDon't mind me, just going to sit here and have a breakdown
It should be said, that the reason for the high movie goer rate was
4 likesa) there was hardly any other entertainment back then.
Books and Radio, which were fairly expensive by today's standards.
b) that sweet sweet air conditioning.
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Books came in all prices, including the penny dreadfuls and comic books. Most people had radios in their homes. There was also live theater, vaudeville, and shows that people put on at home. But remember too that people weren't as dependent on-- or indeed addicted to-- entertainment as they are now. They did more in the way of living life and interacting with family and friends.
0 likesand no emplemon to bless us yet
0 likes@acacia emplemon?
0 likesJesus Hollywood, I thought there's a glimmer of light side in Hollywood. But nope, apparently it's all dark
610 likesThey "injured" all of their actors for life permanently and they just walk away with it.
Respect for all people who documented this, respect for EmpLemon who researched and told us about this
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This is why SAG was founded. While extreme, stories like this were common.
29 likesThis is in the 30s. In over a 100 years lots have changed. Workers rights grew. Its better and maybe needs to get even better.
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1 likeYou’ll hear these stories within literally any older popular movie.
5 likes@blah blah what?
3 likes@blah blah thats not cause of hollywood. Thats cause she was a child trying to handle fame.
0 likes@My fellow Sonic fans hollywood was starting around then. Hollywood isnt much like that anymore
1 like@blah blah ok? Anecdotes dont equal the majority.
0 likes@blah blah how a i defending hollywood? i know there is pedophiles in it. al im saying is that you are making claims that only happened 100 years ago
2 likes@blah blah again this hasnt happened to most people now. i dont see anything like that.
0 likes@blah blah show me a source lol
0 likesHollywood? What did ya expect
1 like@Snowy Hollywood is still a hell hole. They will take actors' sexualities and market it. They'll turn a blind eye to literal slavery and concentration camps. They took movements like Me Too, even though they were the ones who They will never give child actors/actresses real childhoods, making them grow up without a reasonable sense on who is their friend and who isn't. Sure, it's not as bad as then, but it's still a shitshow
7 likes@Snowy google it. there should be more than enough pages of stories like these.
0 likes@Monty the media is not hollywood
1 likeOne "light" side is the amount of positive utility we all get from watching Hollywood movies. The Wizard of Oz has lasting value, even if the way it was made was fucked up. As Stannis Baratheon once said, "the good does not wash out the bad, nor the bad the good."
1 like@Snowy the media isn't hollywood, but hollywood is media
0 likes@SuperWardBros they are seperate. Hollywood is just film and show
0 likes@Snowy which is media
0 likes@SuperWardBros no its not. End of discussion
0 likesHollywood back then had some light spots. It was a place to go to show your talent, a place for new opportunities. But people started getting greedy and that's what happened. Its not better today either.
0 likes@Snowy it is a media
0 likesThey didn't injure anybody; injuries happened, but it was all by accident, not design.
0 likesThe real respct is due the true chroniclers of the movie, namely Aljean Harmetz, John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman.
0 likes@bohba13 SAG was founded five years before Wizard (and, for that matter, Gone With the Wind and the other 363 movies released in 1939) even began filming. One of its founders was Boris Karloff.
0 likes@Edd The way Wizard was made was the same way any movie was made. Accidents occurred and people were injured, but that's not "f***ed up," that's life.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Head of MGM Louis Mayer forced Garland to eat nothing but chicken soup and smoke 80 cigarettes a day just to stay skinny. The rate of accidents was also far too high to be acceptable.
0 likes@Edd Also moot, since they didn't.
0 likes@Edd Mayer was not involved with the production of the movie, let alone with the activities of one performer; he had a studio to run. Judy ate solid food (vegetables primarily), did not smoke (she was an avid anti-smoker), and was not required to be skinny, just to appear less like the ripe teenager that she was and more like a prepubescent. As for the accidents, other films have had more-- and worse-- accidents.
0 likes@Edd The more relevant question is, why do you think anything like that even happened?
0 likesShe wasn't required to be "skinny," she was required to approximate a prepubescent child. Her height (4'11") and acting ability were already working toward that end, but she was, after all, a developing teen, so her curves had to be reduced or hidden, and it ended up being a bit of both.
She was put on a diet-- and not of chicken soup and black coffee-- and a regimen of physical activity in which her stunt double Bobbie Koshay, who had been on the 1928 Olympic swim team, took Judy swimming (Judy could swim a mile) and hiking, as well as playing tennis and badminton with her.
The amphetamines and barbiturates to which her mother had introduced her when she was 13 did not play a part in Judy's filming schedule for Wizard. Judy only worked for four hours a day.
@Edd I do indeed deny that anyone ever called her that. In the first place, the pigtails weren't her own. In the second place, show me some reputable documentation.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I've tried showing you proof, but it seems my comments with links have been deleted. Either that, you are just ignoring them. Either way, it's pretty easy to see a lot of sources with a simple internet search. Sources include her own unpublished autobiography.
1 like@MaskedMan66 You seem very sure about everything. I'd like to see some documentation of my own about your claims of Bobbie Koshay or Judy only working four hours a day. I don't want to bother since you clearly don't. I'm pretty sure you live in an alternative reality from mine, and somehow we are able to communicate with YouTube comments despite living in parallel universes.
1 likeEdit: I found that your claim of Bobbie Koshay was correct, and also that she did not in fact smoke at the time. At least that's what I found on Wikipedia, which claimed this was in the book The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece by Oz historians Jay Scarfone and William Stillman.
@MaskedMan66 "They even went so far as to serve her only a bowl of soup and a plate of lettuce when she ordered a regular meal." Source: "10. Judy Garland: Ugly Duckling". Scandals of Classic Hollywood. New York: Plume (Penguin). pp. 157–78 [164, 166–69]. ISBN 978-0142180679.
1 likeThat‘s just the dark truth of humanity in General. You find this all over the place if you look close enough. I wonder just how many people die and/or suffer indirectly because of greed.
1 likeVery interesting. Well put together as well 👏
0 likesThis is the best Wizard of Oz piece I've ever seen. Very tasteful, well done and EmpLemmmmmmmminz AKA The Golden Gnu AKA Jimmy Roastbiff AKA Mista Sizzzla goes above and beyond with source and research. 🏴☠️🍺⚡🍺🏴☠️
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If you want to see the fruits of real research, read these books: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likes"How dare you have a severe reaction to aluminum paint you're fired."
2 likesI had known about Margaret and Judy’s treatment but I never realised the whole cast were treated so terribly. Now I’m wondering whether the flying monkeys were ok in their costumes...
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Well, supposedly, during sequences of them flying, rather than use the normal wire harnesses, the crew used a thinner line to better hide the strings on camera. As a result, a lot of the wires broke
31 likesIt wasn't a matter of "mistreatment," it was a matter of hard work. The Winged Monkeys were just fine in their costumes; they were ordinary animal costumes. In fact, Pat Walshe, who played the WWW's wingless familiar Nikko, was famous for doing an astonishingly convincing chimpanzee impression using a hair suit and very little make-up.
1 like@Not Applicable They used regular harnesses, but one or two still broke.
0 likesWe need more episodes like this
0 likesPersonally I think the worst of all this was the life long drug problem they forced upon Dorthy
1 likeExcellent documentary on a beloved classic!
0 likesbet most of the budget for the film went into paying hospital bills instead of the actual filming sets and props
1 likeAll of this is just heartbreaking to listen to. I never knew that this timeless and highly-regarded film had SO MUCH dark history behind it, and I sincerely hope that present-day film-making has LESS dark behind-the-scenes drama that I don’t even know about, especially since most behind-the-scenes drama in entertainment is EASIER to catch wind of now.
13 likesBy the way, I REALLY enjoy all of your analysis videos! Would you ever consider making any of the following videos in the future?
- Have Movies been on a Downward Spiral?
- Has Animation been on a Downward Spiral?
- There Will NEVER Be Another Online Game Like Club Penguin
- There Will NEVER Be Another Gaming Franchise Like LittleBigPlanet
- There Will NEVER Be Another Gaming Franchise Like Super Smash Bros.
- Disney’s Plague on Modern Entertainment
- The Influences of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
- The Influences of Harry Potter
- Nintendo and Sony’s Decades-Long Rivalry
At last...they created a masterpiece
1 like"Dark Side" of hollywood. Yeah well that's a massive dark side considering what's been revealed about it.
1 likeIt's crazy to think that the sexual harassment in the production was the least of these actors/actresses problems.
0 likesHumiliation and mental scarring seem trivial when the sets your on and the conditions you're in could literally kill you.
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There was no sexual harassment, no humiliation, and no mental scarring. It was just hard work. But people were tough back then, certainly tougher than people are now. Another thing: stepping out your front door could "literally" kill you.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Lmfao getting groped is just "tough love" ig. You can't just debunk Louis B. Mayer's thoroughly documented history of sexual abuse by simply being like "I doubt it."
0 likesThe making of Oz was horrific and all that but I’m more worried about masked man66’s mental health. U ok?
3 likesIt's heartbreaking that a childish magical happy world has a background of toxic materials and abuse.
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Thats metal as fuck
10 likesAnd now big techs of silicon valley, Google Facebook, Twitter, Amazon have monopoly on...not just on entertainment, but all sphere of life!
6 likesYet, still no intervention or talks of mitigating that problem...
Hollywood's Golden Age was always formed on the backs of the actors and actresses who suffered years of abuse, racism and sexism.
19 likesIt hasn't changed all that much now. The only difference is that Hollywood pretends to virtue signal while still being just as rotten as the executives from those many years ago.
Body almost dead
1 likeYou'll find toxic substances in pretty much any workplace. There was no abuse, only difficulties and the occasional accident.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Yeah, but you usually dont find toxic stuff on people's mouth and faces
5 likes@Paolo You'd be surprised.
0 likesOnly Margaret Hamilton's make-up, and presumably that of the other Winkies, had the potential for toxicity because of the copper in it which gave it its green color. But she suffered no ill effects from it, and presumably, neither did the Winkies (although one of them had his prosthetic nose start melting while he was drinking a cup of hot tea).
The Tin Woodman make-up was aluminum-based, and seeing as how we store food and cook with aluminum, obviously no worries about anything toxic there.
Hellywood in a nutshell...🤔🙄😒
1 like@BIG*BOSS*HOGGN But not this movie.
0 likesI'm not sure how asbestos would cause an explosion. It was in use because it's just about the best thermal insulator we've found.
0 likesLove the use of Pink Floyd’s Dark Side in this.
0 likesanother really good example of how badly child stars are treated is Bobby Driscoll, whose story would be a really interesting video. One of Disney's first contract actors, he was part of some big movies of Disney's early era (Song of the South, Treasure Island, and especially Peter Pan), but as soon as he hit puberty, he was dropped hard, weeks after Peter Pan came out. He fell into a spiral of drug use and depression, until he lost his life at 31.
1 likeFuck me I was vaguely aware of some of this, but just to hear it all laid out like this, the constant, non-stop cascade of shit that was thrown on these poor actors is just fucking with my head. It's like watching an episode of Black Mirror.
1 likeThe entire time I was like “This can’t get any worse right?” And then it got worse
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I kept on thinking of TF2.
8 likes"There's more.."
"No..."
"Okay it can't get any worse, right? I mean they pretty much turned the broom into a homemade pipe bomb and made her ride on it before it exploded"
17 likesEmp : "it's thought this was caused by covering the pipe with asbestos, which was also used in the snow for one of the scenes"
For real
1 likeBear in mind that (a) moviemaking has always been a tough business and (b) much of what's in this video has been exaggerated to insane degrees. Some of the info here is false.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 stop
5 likes@Kirby Arroyo No.
0 likesThe ending has a bit of a dangerous narrative. You make it sound as if any work that can stand the test of time is worth of any damage received by the people that made it just as long as they say they're ok with it. Like an abused housewife in a neoliberal wetdream.
4 likesemp's style of advertising Keeps is a good impression of the way industries guilt you today lol
1 like"Toxic chemicals are the shit and fuck skincare"
0 likes-the producers of the film, apparently
Dude I didn’t know you were friends with rusty! That’s awesome.
1 likeAnd while all of this horror was happening, there were people living in the horror of poverty and lack of food. the '20s and 30s were fucking horrible
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No, the Depression had ended six years before, and while there were lasting effects, life had pretty much got back to normal. And the making of "Wizard" had its difficulties, but "horror" doesn't really apply.
10 likes@MaskedMan66 Well that's both true and not true at the same time. Is it true that people were getting close to being back to normal. However it took until world war 2 when the great depression finally ended and soon after the war was over the economy recovered. And also after all the production troubles that the movie had to go through is horror truly not enough for you?
39 likes@sean vasquez What I said stands. Economic restoration took some time, but the actual state of depression was over in 1933. Hollywood turned out 365 movies in 1939, a record that has not been matched since. Obviously things were going well financially for them if for no-one else. And people did still go to the movies; there are photos of people lined up around the block to see "Wizard." There were always huge crowds for the big premieres, wherever they occurred in the country.
7 likesYes, there were production troubles, but that was not a situation unique to "Wizard." And many of those have been exaggerated to ridiculous proportions by sensationalists and rumormongers. There were accidents. There was discomfort. But welcome to the world of moviemaking; there are still such things to endure nowadays. The people involved in the movie were very proud of the finished result, and you could not find bigger fans of it than Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton.
@MaskedMan66 oh damn even here
3 likes@A Fellow Human Didn't you know? Like Dr. K, I'm everywhere!
0 likes20 years down the line from today, people will likely say "the 2010s and 2020s were fucking horrible"... And so on, and so on. The cycle repeats.
4 likes@Guru Unless a catastrophe set us back years of progress, knowing that the future will be brighter is a good source of hope right now
1 likeThanks for your knowledge, Tainted Keeper from The binding of Isaac.
1 likeOf course you would take great depression seriously, your normal counterpart literally unlocked in greed mode after all.
@MaskedMan66 nice try epstein
1 likeYeah
0 likes@redeyesinc Sorry, what?
0 likesNotice how everything bad always happens in the 20’s
0 likes@Beach Vibez Yes, the 2020's.
0 likesI love the 8 bit rendition of Any Color You Like at the end, good touch
0 likesTHE LION HIDE WAS REAL?!?
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Yeep, Animal Rights activist didn't exist yet so having your exotic clothing made out of animal fur and hydes were big and common back then.
22 likesSame issue as to how Ivory were used in pianos, drums using calf skin, string instruments used something out of cats and whatever else used instruments from dead and or stolen items from those poor innocent animals
Heck, circuses still use live exotic animals which are still being abused behind the big tent from the public, vet and government view.
At least studios "both TV and Movie" today are starting to opt in for the use of Digitized and 3d renderd animals than live animals.
This has been known for decades. People have worn bits of animals ever since we've been wearing anything.
4 likes@madden8021 Do you wear leather shoes? Or leather belts?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Nah, I use Sandals and sneaker Shoes to a usual work belt that was all MADE IN CHINA
3 likes@madden8021 Never in your entire life, eh? Fair enough. Still, people have worn animal skin, fur, and whatever all else for as long as we've worn anything, so Mr. Lahr's costume ain't no big thang.
1 likeWere animal rights much weaker than they are now?
0 likesDear god
1 like@Star Studio What? We've worn animal bits for millennia.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 ohh. They were nonexistent. I get it.
1 like@Slapstick Genius In those days, the world was still sorting out human rights; women had been granted the right to vote in the U.S.A. just 19 years before "Wizard's" release, for instance.
1 likeBut child labor laws, for which people like Charles Dickens had been campaigning since the middle of the 19th century, had solidly come into play. Because of California's child labor laws, Judy Garland was only permitted to work for four hours of the eight-hour filming day. She had at least two hours for school with the on-set tutor, and the rest was free time.
@pedroks7756 Agreement and disagreement are irrelevant here. All I'm doing is sharing the long-established truth.
0 likes@-–——·≈·[The Patriot]·≈·——–- No.
0 likesI just slipped a Downward Spiral into a paper I'm writing.
0 likesThanks for making great content.
Lemon always posts the best content.
0 likesEmpLemon is one of the true gems of YouTube. Please keep making this sort of content. We all want to spiral down the drain!
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Flaming out
0 likesCame from mizkifs react video, looks like great content and cant wait to watch your videos before he does haha
0 likesBut seriously this is so messed up and I appreciate the research involved in this.
This video is honestly super scary to me. Psychological and physical abuse for entertainment. This is a real life horror story that shook my core.
0 likesMy grandpa introduced me to the movie as a kid and I loved it, watched it a ton. When I watched it again recently I was thinking about how the cowardly lion gave me closeted vibes. idk why lol
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What?
0 likesAt this point, i begin to think that one of the munchkins did really commit suicide on the set.
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At this point, you've been subjected to a lot of sensationalist hooey. Nobody committed suicide.
0 likesIt's ironic that these powerful people treated these actors .
0 likesEspecially in the same year that a war would be started over how their people were being treated .
Really makes you think.
God dang I bet the lady playing Dorthy did such a good job because being so loopy she actually thought she WAS in Oz as Dorthy.
0 likesSeeing Rusty Cage was an unexpected treat
0 likesThank you emplemon for your fresh takes 🙏
0 likesthe more you grow up, the more you realize that everything you idolized has a very dark side along it.
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Mr. Roger's Neighborhood better not even...
29 likesAnd the closer you look at things, the more the bad guys look like good guys and the more the good guys look like bad guys.
22 likes@Sam Tinkle no.
29 likesUsually starts with your own parents. :)
9 likesGreatness usually has a cost. It's a sad truth
5 likesthat is show business
0 likesThe more you grow up, the more you realize that cheese is expensive.
33 likesIndeed right gangsta spongebob, what a tragedy
6 likesThe more you realize life is life and it's been like this way before you were born.
1 likeNo, not really. Unfortunate incidents involved in the production of some works of art are common.
1 like@Sam Tinkle Only if you're looking cross-eyed.
0 likes@Nernx Ultima As far as I know, it doesn't. At all.
1 like@Deadliest Vice whyy
0 likes@MaskedMan66 🥾👅
3 likes@Nathan Hernandez Use your words; I don't speak emoji.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 👈🧠❌
2 likesYou mean like Nintendo?
1 likeExcept for Mr. Rogers. He's chill.
1 like"Never meet your heroes," as the saying goes. :(
0 likesNumber 15, The Wizard of Oz is one of the most iconic films in the history of cinema
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Number Ten on the American Film Institute's top 100 movies of all time. 🙂
0 likesThat was the best ad I've ever seen in a YouTube video. Well done guys.
0 likesIt's comforting to hear that the professional pretenders will be forgot as individuals
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What?
0 likesIf you seek immorality through art you're a fool
1 likeThis entire production sounds like a nightmare
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Hi Jadyn: Aka verified commenter
32 likes@King Crimson verified man says verified thing
42 likesThat is the point of a YouTube poop production.
4 likes@DeanLC Do not question, consume entertainment.
16 likeshey buddy
2 likesIt's really horrible knowing that an amazing film was created out of chaos
15 likesThe Show must go on.
2 likesHairless
0 likes@Cab🎌Ikari Good art always comes through sacrifice. We rarely get good movies by actors just hanging out having fun on set.
5 likesYooo I did NOT expect to see you here lol
0 likesThis video exaggerates things to ridiculous degrees and even lies.
0 likesDid your teacher never point out all the things when watching this in class?
0 likes@MaskedMan66
0 likesHow? Show something credible as well.
@SQuinGedSUB What do you mean by "Some something?"
0 likes@MaskedMan66 sorry, I meant "Show" not "Some"
0 likes@SQuinGedSUB Got ya. And I'll recommend you some books: “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesThose are truly authoritative texts, written by researchers who spoke with actors and behind-the-scenes people who worked on the movie, as well as delving into studio records about the production and collecting hundreds of newspaper and magazine reportage about the film and its personnel.
@Cab🎌Ikari It wasn't chaos; this was MGM, not some daft little indie house.
0 likesIt is
1 like@i think i might abandon this channel goodbye No, just hard work, like any movie.
0 likesTRUE
0 likes@Kirb Gamin No more than most movies.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 bro what
0 likes@Kirb Gamin Making movies is hard work, and the more complex the movie, the harder the work. "Wizard" is not unique. At least nobody got killed; read about "Twilight Zone: The Movie" sometime.
0 likes@Kirb Gamin I'm not sure why they replied to you with that seeing that all you said was "True".
4 likes@Princess EEmmiilley Chan also true
1 like@Princess EEmmiilley Chan It wasn't the "true," it was the "Bro, what?"
0 likesIt was the definition
0 likes@KudosK Not at all. Far worse things have happened on other films; three actors died making "Twilight Zone: The Movie."
0 likeswow jadyn I'm your subscriber
0 likes@MaskedMan66 "Daft little indie house" just revealed what you're really like hahaha.
5 likes@MaskedMan66 margaret hamilton is a victim
0 likes@Carl Jackson And what would that be?
0 likes@Laughingat U Moreau, and are you talking about the Marlon Brando version?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 that's the one.
0 likes@Laughingat U Funnily enough, that movie had a Dorothy Gale in it! 🙂
0 likesIt fucking was...
0 likes@Shiloh Ci Except that it wasn't. It was hard work, like any movie, and some films have had even worse things happen, and I mean recent movies.
0 likesI hope more people watch "Mank" on Netflix.
0 likesReally great, recent film about MGM, Mayer, and Orson Welles working on "Citizen Kane". Big name actors, as well.
Great information. If i could give some feedback, your choice in background music is not great. I generally have a decent attention span, and can listen to information whilst doing other things. Your music choice matched with your pace became background noise so quickly, it took me roughly 40 minutes to watch a 21 minute video, cause id realized id zoned out for a minute missed 3 points and had to rewind. Great video overall though.
0 likesOkay so I didn’t even realize the beginning was an add until 2:30
1 likeThat shit was funny as hell
I love the dark side of the moon reference at the end.
0 likesI used to adore the movie as a kid. Now that I'm an adult, it just makes me sad. Now that I know the full extent of how sick and exhausted all the actors and stagehands were during the making of the movie, it's hard to watch it without feeling bad.
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I feel the same way about Milo And Otis. As a kid it was just an adorable adventure movie starring an orange tabby and a pug. Then you hear about the animal mistreatment that went into a lot of the scenes and the possibility that animals were killed or put at severe risk.
7 likesIt's a massive ball of yikes which is a shame because otherwise it's probably one of the cutest films ever made.
@Viscount Rainbows Oh gosh really?? That's so sad. I don't think I've ever seen the movie before but I think I've heard of it. I just looked it up and it was made in 1989.. That's a little more recent compared to the Wizard Of Oz. Damn, even they were greedy and went as far as abusing animals too.
0 likesPeople get tired, especially if they're doing something physical; that's a fact of life. There's no such thing as a movie whose cast and crew didn't get tired. Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton never watched the movie and said, "Oh, man, I remember being so tired that day," or, "Agh, that was such a rough time." They enjoyed the movie for itself, and they would want you to as well.
0 likes@Viscount Rainbows Are those reports accurate?
0 likesJack Haley, who starred in his own radio show every Sunday night, actually made jokes about how exhausted he was and other oddities involved in dealing with that buckram suit.
0 likes“The dark side of Hollywood” implies there’s a light side.
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Of course there is, but tragically, most people don't seem to want to know about good things.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I'm sorry. I was just kidding.
0 likes@Judah Rininger I wasn't.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 k
1 like@MaskedMan66 bruh
0 likes@MaskedMan66 "Most people don't want to know the good things"
0 likesE D G E
@E. T. Ah, got off the phone at last, have you? What's up?
0 likesIf there was ever a gender reveal party movie, this is what I expect it to be.
0 likesYou’re right, you put a lot of work into that ad for keeps
1 likeI will show this to anybody who says that CGI diminishes modern cinema.
1 likeI gotta admit, this video's thumbnail REALLY helps sell the story. I'm very glad that someone tackled the topic. Early Hollywood was hell for those who worked within it.
35 likesAlso makes me wonder what would happen if you did a video on the impact of Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. That would be amazing.
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Actually yeah. A video on Bugs Bunny and the development of Loony Tunes and Merrie Melodies would be intriguing.
3 likesAs for the 825$ from the Stunt at 12:21, given the inflation rate from 1938 to now that would be around 15.000$.
1 likeAlways gotta keep the times in mind.
i wish there were punishments for these kind of actions by execs
0 likesMan, even though the world now is super PC and sensitive. Imagine living back then where everyone is brash, unapologetic, and a bigot. Shit's rough.
0 likesam I the only one who finds the rendition of 'I only had a brain' at the beginning beautiful
0 likesAs an actual descendant and relative of Ray Bolger, this is terrifying to see all that he and the crew had to go through. My goodness...
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Firstly, that is so cool you being related to an actor in this movie, very few people talk about that probably because they like the privacy of not being recognized as a descendent of an actor and being hounded 24/7. Secondly, which character did he play? I've only seen WoO (Wizard of Oz) twice, but skip over the credits.
5 likesOh dear I'm sorry you had to find out like this
6 likesHow can we be sure?
1 likeWhen I read "The dark side of Hollywood" my mind just went to "Dark Side of the Moon"
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There is a sort of connection. 🙂
0 likesThe original Tin Man was supposed to be played by the same guy who eventually became Jed Clampett in The Beverly Hillbillies.
1 like15:17 just THINKING like that is HORRIBLE
3 likesFAME is WORTHLESS WITHOUT HEALTH
Press F to pay respects for the actors.
1 likeI can't help but feel like this film's production would ironically make for a decent film all its own... like a period-correct Noire flick or something.
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Nah that'd have to be ironically colorfully
16 likesLike disaster flick?
1 likeThey made a movie in the 1980s about the casting of the munchkins, but it wasn’t very good.
0 likesSo long as John Fricke was in charge of it; that way we'd get the true story and not any sensationalized garbage.
0 likesIs it worth it to go through incredible pain just to create a piece of media that will last forever in the collective mind?
0 likesWho could expect that a industry all about wearing a mask would be toxic?
0 likesI actually teared up a little when Garland's corset came up. Shit man, you made the movie pretty much unwatchable now.
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smh Judy never had any problem watching the movie. She found the corset uncomfortable, but never complained about it, especially considering what her co-stars had to deal with.
0 likesGenuinly one of the greatest youtube videos I've ever seen.
0 likesAnd what's funny about the Wizard of Oz and MGM's quest to use it as a way to flex their strength, is that MGM doesn't even own it anymore, or any of their pre-1980s movies.
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MGM is such an incredibly irrelevant studio in the current entertainment landscape.
32 likesNow I want to know what happened that made them fall so far.
@BigBoi554 Poor management in the 70s and 80s for one. Two would be that there was some corporate reshuffle that resulted in them losing all their pre-80s movies to Turner/WB.
36 likes@tripplefives That'll be a sight to see.
9 likesMGM hasn't existed for some years.
0 likesTo be fair, Buddy Ebsen later went on to achieve a reasonable modicum of success as the patriarch of the Clampett clan in The Beverly Hillbillies, not to mention his role as the titular character in Dougie Houser, so it’s not as if missing out on portraying the Tin Woodsman game ended his film career, just sayin’.
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"Dougie Houser?" That's a strange way to spell "Barnaby Jones." ;-) But you're right, his career didn't really suffer for his Oz snafu; in fact, once he'd recovered, MGM cast him in two more movies, both of which were released in 1939 as was Wizard .
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Yeah, I’m a bit fuzzy on old television shows these days since my dad and I rarely get the time to sit down and watch them together like we used to do back when I was a kid. Thanks for the correction. ☺️
0 likes@Jolis Parsec No worries. 🙂 "Doogie Howser" was the show from the 80's and 90's about a teenage surgeon. I gather there's a new version in the works.
0 likesSo Al Jolson actually used blackface in order to try to bring exposure to the black community. He received blessings from almost all of the major black artists from the time, including and especially Duke Ellington. He himself was a Jewsish man and was determined to bring awareness to a culture that many had no exposure to.
0 likesAnd then there's the munchkins, whose actors were stuck in a grim contract for a series of exploitation films to follow. If you want a weird western of sorts, there's Terror of Tiny Town.
0 likesI have a great idea for a never ever series.Maybe do the tonight show. That show has so much history behind it like johnny carson and joan rivers. Jack parr hating nbc and possibly the most famous conan being swindled by jay. And to now where people dislike jimmy as the current host.
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There was a movie called "The Late Shift" about the battle to succeed Johnny Carson as host of that show, starring Daniel Roebuck as Jay Leno and John Michael Higgins as David Letterman, with Rich Little as Carson.
0 likesDear Lord, it's gonna be so hard to rewatch this movie knowing the torture and turmoil of the actors had to go through
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Ironically for me I had no intention of doing that up until this point, whereas now I might have more of a reason to (if your going to tell me I should have had the intention due to whatever mytholgical ideas it has, there's like A TON of that out there so...yeah lol, I'm not discounting the movie itself I acknoledge its good!). Its kinda sickening in a way how people tend to be drawn to negative experiences, but I suppose that's what happens when people lose sight of what really matters in life. (In my case its religion, but yeah, I get not every believes in that...still, I think its important in general to aim as high as you can in all scenarios!)
10 likesLet me make it even worse for you. As well as being fed a steady diet of drugs, Judy Garland was also bullied on set by all of her co stars and physically abused by the director. Her only friend was, ironically, Margaret Hamilton. The Wicked Witch of the West.
24 likesStrange shrours
0 likesI now watch The Wizard of Oz and appreciate the actors because of all the brutal hell they went through.
3 likesIt wasn't hard for the cast to watch it; they loved it. There was no turmoil to speak of, but as far as torture, everyone on the sound stages had to deal with the blazing hot lights that were necessary for Technicolor. But that was par for the course, and the cast and crew dealt with it.
0 likes@Melissa Cooper It was hard work-- which was typical of any movie, especially a musical-- under hot lights-- which was typical of any Technicolor movie. It was uncomfortable, but it was what was done. And they did take breaks.
0 likes"It is the art, not the artist, that stands the test of time."
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Havent been on this channel forever, forgot how fucking good you were. Cheers
0 likesThe things I've most heard about were Judy Garland being driven to alcoholism and Margaret Hamilton being burned in the scene where the witch first disappears in a cloud of smoke because the trap door that was supposed to lower her didn't work.
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Judy became an alcoholic in her adult life, not while she was sixteen. The elevator (not trap door) worked fine-- in fact, the first take went off perfectly-- but on a later take the flames shot up too soon. But Miss Hamilton got over her injuries and continued her work because she loved playing the Wicked Witch.
0 likesThis is one of many reasons why animation is superior.
0 likesHonestly the “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” is iconic
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Hollywood productions in a nutshell
25 likesIt was a screen in the book.
7 likes@plebbyspakebby420 Nothing wrong with a bit of trivia here and there.
0 likes@MaskedMan66sure, just dont be such a knob jockey about it
0 likes@plebbyspakebby420 I just said "It was a screen in the book." A simple fact stated simply (and it got seven likes, as you'll notice). No invective, no all-caps, no remarks about the OP's ancestry or mental capacity.
0 likes@plebbyspakebby420 And indeed no complaints by the OP. For all we know, he or she might have left one of those likes. ;-)
0 likes@MaskedMan66 No reason, but I always wonder why people say he/she instead of just them?
0 likes@AnArn B Because "them" is a plural, and I'm talking about one person; however, not knowing the person's sex, I'm allowing for either.
0 likesAs for Emp's last point. There is a way, the way, to received eternal life: "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36. Art does come close, in worldly means but "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." Matthew 24:25. Why ought you care about Jesus' words? because he is risen from the dead.
2 likesIt is a good question you pose and an important theme you point out in the video, and given your premises (I presume they are/include materialism, nihilism, atheism, etc.) your answer is not too bad, but if in fact God is real, and he is risen from the dead, then your understanding is incomplete, hence your conclusions are merely partial.
God bless you Emp, and any fellower commenters, I really enjoy your content and wish you the best.
The ending of this video gave me goosebumps !
0 likesReally scary how bill Cosby just got his case overturned lol
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Because of a technical error really?
0 likesSometimes i laugh about how the fallout series portrays big corps and how little they care about their employees/consumers... then i remember it’s supposed to be a parody on real life...
0 likesJesus... I would never imagine that one of the most cherished movies in modern consciousness would have been created from such a nightmare.
28 likesThank you for making us aware of this, but I would be lying if I said it didn't stain a childhood classic.
I just hope the cast and crew that were subjected to those conditions can rest in peace, knowing their inexcusable sacrifice is still valued to this day, even if so few really know about it.
Another thing to mention is that Garland was hated or ignored by nearly ever actor on set, with the only one being really freindly to her being Hamilton.
0 likesI'll wait here; you're crazy
0 likesThose vicious streets are filled with strays
You should've never gone to Hollywood
They find you to charm you
Say you're the best they've ever seen
You should've never trusted Hollywood
16:20 you know it’s gonna be good when you start to hear gymnopedie no 1 by Satie.
1 likeIt's a shame MGM didn't keep the original title, Blood, Sweat And Tears: An Oz Story
5 likesI feel like even with the limited technology back then, they could have still made the costumes and makeup less insufferable to be in. For example, they could've used lighter material for the lion suit and green gloves for the Wicked Witch's hands.
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They couldn't, that's why they did what they did, keep up
2 likes@Rated R No, they were just rushing and were too greedy.
110 likesExactly. They weren't idiots in that era, it was just them wanting the film to look its best. They didnt look much into the costumes and how to make them more comfortable.
70 likes@Rated R Like I said, some things could've been changed easily. Getting green gloves is easy and cheap.
21 likesMiss Hamilton did wear a green glove after her hand was burned. But it is standard practice in movies and theater that if someone's face is one color, then any bits showing must also be that same color, so make-up is most often used to achieve that.
11 likesAs for the rest, what would have been your suggestion to George Lucas as far as putting Anthony Daniels out in the desert in an all-enclosing fiberglass costume?
@Hannah BG Nope.
1 like@Hannah BG The costume designer was a professional who knew what he was doing. But any Tin Woodman costume of any degree of authenticity is going to have its problems. At least Jack Haley only had to wear buckram. Think of Anthony Daniels in his fiberglass See-Threepio costume!
3 likes@Hannah BG There were months of preparation, and it's not a matter of greed, it's a matter of art.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 Although that could have been the case, they were still selfish and greedy. Other directors would have found alternatives.
8 likes@Hannah BG There were no alternatives in those days, especially as regards the make-up; prosthetic appliances were in their infancy; make-up men like Jack Pierce, who created Boris Karloff's make-up from scratch every day of filming for "Frankenstein," thought that pre-made, fitted appliances of the sort that Jack Dawn pioneered for "Wizard" were a lazy, un-artistic way of doing make-up.
1 likeWhat Pierce didn't know was that such appliances would become the norm and continue on; they are still used today, and while the processes have been refined, it still takes hours to put the blamed things on.
@MaskedMan66 I suppose that's true. However they did have a few alternatives that could have been done, I recall seeing a comment on here speaking about those alternatives but I can't really find it. Again, people back then weren't stupid, they were aware their technology was limited to an extent. Unfortunately, the directors chose the wrong path in making those effects and costumes. There were other films and also regular costumes that had people wearing them safely without injury. Alternatives were a thing and they might always will be if we have enough supplies.
5 likes@Hannah BG It wasn't "the wrong path." They went through a lot of different ideas and materials, and what they ultimately used worked. There was some pioneering work done in all levels of the film, and like I said before, various methods of doing things were initiated by MGM's "Wizard."
0 likesI have yet to see a "regular" Lion costume or a "regular" Tin Woodman costume, whatever "regular" may mean.
The lion suit was not unprecedented; the costume worn by Arthur Hill (and his successors) as the Lion in the stage version of "Wizard" which began in 1902 was also made from lion hide.
Bottom line: accidents will happen no matter how well things are planned, no matter what the industry, no matter what the project, no matter how many precautions. "Wizard" is not unique in having unfortunate things happen. And again, what would have been your recommendation for bringing See-Threepio to life which would not have involved an actor trudging about the desert encased in fiberglass?
@MaskedMan66 Alright, I think we've both come to a similar conclusion. You seem pretty confidant in replying like this. Oh well, such is life. Shall we close it off here?
3 likesMy point was that people back then weren't stupid. That was my main point here.
@Hannah BG I never said that they were.
0 likesthey could, it'd just cost more money. what are lives of humans for some cash?
1 like@Corrupted Player This was MGM, and money was no object.
0 likes@Hannah BG hm, maybe
1 like@l it's stupid to talk as if you were there
0 likesThe major issue is that you're assuming the higher ups cared. I think the summary dismissal of a sick employee in favor of someone else gives us a pretty good idea where the priorities lie.
1 like@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal So... you would have made Buddy Ebsen work in his condition? Would you shut down any business just because one employee gets sick? That's no way to keep an industry running in general, or to keep a project on schedule in particular.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Did you, I don't know, even read the comment I wrote? It sure doesn't seem like it.
1 like@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal You mean you weren't talking about Buddy Ebsen? Okay, so who were you talking about?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Read the original comment, this really isn't difficult.
1 like@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal You're becoming prolix. You mentioned a "sick employee" and his dismissal. The only person on this movie who fits that description is Buddy Ebsen.
1 like@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal Typical cut and run. You really don't know what you were talking about, so you just ignore the whole issue.
0 likes@ManYoureAStrangeAnimal In which case, you could have read the discussion that followed. The topic was enlarged upon.
0 likesIronically, I've only seen wizard of oz once in my life.
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That's unusual, but how is it ironic?
0 likesthey do say you die twice, once when your soul leaves your body, and the 2nd time when someone says your name for the last time.
1 likeI don’t know if Keeps is paying Emp too much or not enough
0 likesHonestly, the hell that actors went through in those days are terrifying.
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"In those days?" I might refer you to Olivia Jackson, a stuntwoman who lost an arm while making the last Resident Evil movie, or David Holmes who, because of a stunt gone wrong while making the last Harry Potter movie, is now a quadriplegic. Moviemaking is, and always has been, a dangerous business. The Wizard of Oz is not unique in the least.
0 likesIf the artists themselves really do fade out of memory while the art lives on, then the people who sacrifice themselves to have their art outlive them can never really be immortal that way, can they?
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Yeah, but then how do explain the notority the artist gets after they've died like Vincent Van Goe no gave two craps about his art until he went deceased.
10 likes@Coffin Tears Gogh.
6 likesExcept that they haven't faded out of memory, thanks in large part to their art.
2 likesIf art is an interpretation of the way an artist sees the world, then maybe the artist doesn't live on, but his perspective does.
3 likesIf the core of human experience is to just be known and understood, than having your understanding of the world becoming immortalized is, in essence, to be known.
@Coffin Tears Vincent didn't sacrifice himself for his art. He did his art for self expression in a time where his style was strongly rejected. His death came purely from his health issues, the art had basicaly nothing to do with it.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 *abuse not art
0 likes0:00 - 0:27 Clever intro! Loved it!
0 likes2:25 Okay, Moving on!
14:08 4 hours every 3 days!? I would have quit! Don't care about being blacklisted! That is not enough sleep!
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Judy Garland only worked for four hours every working day of "Wizard."
0 likesit’s surprising that he didn’t mention the constant harassment judy had while filming due to her being a the main character and female. also how judy was sexually assaulted by the munkins on set.
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Probably because there was no harassment and certainly no sexual assault; neither Mervyn LeRoy nor Victor Fleming would have tolerated any such activity, especially not during working hours, and most especially not against their star.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 idk dude. just heard that it happened 🤷♀️
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon And I read that it didn't; on the contrary, Judy had as good a time as anyone could have had under those crushingly hot lights. She was uncomfortable in her corset, but never complained about it, and she would like to have eaten more (what teenager wouldn't?), but on the whole, it was a time that she always looked back on with fondness.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 “Groped by munchkins, drugged on set and put on a strict prisoner-style diet, Garland went through hell making the film when she was just 16 years old. Her family even blame her following drug addiction and alcoholism on working on the iconic musical film, where she was sexually assaulted by numerous men.”
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon She was not groped by anybody (it's frankly bigoted to just accuse the Singer Midgets, half of whom were women), she required no meds as she only worked for four hours a day, and her diet (which included solid food (not just soup before you trot that one out) was enough to keep body and soul together. She had a far easier time of it than any of her co-stars, that much is plain, and she always spoke of it with fondness. Which alleged members of her family blame "Wizard?" Certainly not Liza, Joey, or Lorna.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 once again, just sayin what i read. i heard MANY traumatic things about this movie. don’t get me wrong, it’s an amazing movie. i grew up watching it. i’m just saying that bad things have happened according to her family and different articles. i suggested you read some before coming at me. if you did read them, then just leave because obviously you’re a boomer who needs to think they’re always correct. a quick google search quickly disproves your statements. i honestly would love to see where you’re getting your information from because i can’t find any of the things you’re saying 😬
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon I've read “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. Read those and you'll learn everything I've been saying, and more.
0 likesAs if a person's age has any relevance to decades-old facts, mine is 55, which makes me a Gen Xer, at least until the next time someone decides to revise the calendar.
Now, back to the actual topic, which is "The Wizard of Oz." Your serve.
@MaskedMan66 ok so i’m assuming you really don’t have anything else to do if you’re still arguing with an 18 yr old about the wizard of oz lol. but i believe you. there were so many wonderful things about this movie but there’s a lotta dark shit that happened on set that not many people talked about. it’s finally getting light and awareness.
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon I have plenty to do; this takes almost no time at all. compared to the rest of the day. What difference does age make? Or do you think that at your age you should be beneath older people's notice?
0 likesThere was nothing "dark"; it was hard work under excruciatingly hot lights, punctuated by some terrible accidents. Apart from that, it was pretty much routine. People try to say that "Wizard" is somehow unique in the accidents that happened, but as such things go, and have gone all throughout movie history right up to the present day, the "Wizard" cast and crew got off easy. Look up the names of stunt performers Olivia Jackson and David Holmes, as well as actor Vic Morrow, and what happened to them on the movies they worked on.
@MaskedMan66 ok ma’am gtfo. you’re now comparing this movie to the earth being flat. its ridiculous. i’m not replying anymore. i’m not gonna sit here and argue with some 55 year old troll. foh💀
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon No, I'm comparing the people who believe the lies about this movie to the people who believe the earth is flat. Cut and run if you will, but you're plunging headlong into willful ignorance, and that's no way to live.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 once again, have a good day maam ❤️
0 likes@MaskedMan66 you’ve already told me that. so like i said earlier, have a good day ma’am
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon I hope it sinks in, sir. Right now, you're making yourself look a fool.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 i’m a girl but yes i guess i am the fool. now anyways, have a good day. stay safe in this crazy world. good luck. all that
0 likes@Maddie Smerdon And I'm a man; I was just going along with your gag of calling the other person by the wrong title.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 how was i supposed to know you’re a dude 😭
0 likes"They gave her amphetamines to function for long days, she only slept for 4 hours every three days" that just sounds like public school
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Not when she was making Wizard , they didn't.
0 likes"there is a hell in Hollywood and it's the Wizard of Oz's production cycle"
1 like- Minemaster 1337, 07/23/2021 12:01 AM
Hollywood has always been like an anglerfish honestly, it baits in you with something nice and shiny and then it eats you whole and shits you out with no remorse
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That's a good metaphor.. hyperbole? Other english terms? I dunno, I'm not an Englishalogist
17 likes@Joshna Frank It is a methaphor, don't worry, you were right.
12 likesHeartbreaking
3 likes@Joshna Frank On a full technical level it’s a simile, because it uses the word “like”. A metaphor directly equates two things, a simile relates them. So “Hollywood is like an anglerfish” is a simile, while “Hollywood is an anglerfish” is a metaphor.
10 likes@Hippo The Hippo I don't care :)
2 likes@Joshna Frank You seem like you need a hug. Imagine being this way over simple information you could've easily just ignored if you say you don't care. I hope the days ahead of you start to look up man. I know it's been hard on everyone.
1 like@Hippo The Hippo Hey this is good info, bastards in school and other websites don't explain it as easily as this. Nice.
3 likes@JetpacksWasYes you misunderstood me. I'm not mad, though my phrasing was rough, I just didn't want them to go to such effort because I wouldn't remember it. Your phrasing was a bit rough as well, but I got your intent, you have a good day and be careful out there :)
2 likes@Joshna Frank
0 likesThe Good Ending
Dave Chapelle has basically said that is the reason he left Hollywood
4 likes@Skillofthehand you had me smiling with that. I'll be honest, we all get so mad so easily on the internet, we see everything as an insult and it starts bleeding into our lives. The irony, is it means when we finally get a good, happy moment it, we cherish it, cause we know how few there are. I'm not a happy person,I get mad or on edge easily. Even me trying to be nice I come off as a prick. Something I need to work on. Well, if you read all this cringey ramble,thanks for the smile. I appreciate it.
0 likesNowadays, with all the things they can do with special effects and the like that they couldn't do back then, this probably wouldn't be anywhere near the horror story it is. I suppose that it would've been easier back then if MGM had contracted production to an animation studio and made it an animated film like Snow White had been, but I don't know that they were able or willing to do that.
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For all that MGM was the top movie studio in the nation, they didn't have much of an animation department. But things were not as hellish on this movie as the sensationalists want people to think. Worse things have happened on other movies. I mean, if the Harry Potter films had been animated, David Holmes would not be a quadriplegic today.
1 like@MaskedMan66 Yeah, MGM's cartoons always lagged far behind Disney and Warner Bros. And while we're on the subject, it's worth mentioning that when it came to live action musicals, Warners was second in prestige only to MGM for most of that period. Some time around the late 50s or early 60s, they probably even surpassed MGM between films like The Music Man and My Fair Lady.
1 likeJust goes to show you really do need to suffer for your art.
0 likesThere's just something about Hollywood back then that's just scary. I'm talking like from the 1960s and earlier just like where this is taken place.
0 likesI’m thankful you didn’t perpetuate the old dead body in the movie myth
2 likesI would trade Wizard of Oz for the safety of the actors.
25 likesI know it’s an amazing movie, but it wasn’t worth it.
My ideal sacrifice isn’t for a sort of worldly eternal life from my works, but if my deeds are remembered as overwhelmingly good, I can Rest In Peace
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They thought it was worth it. Margaret Hamilton was probably the film's biggest fan, and without a doubt she had the worst of it.
0 likesI could not imagine getting copper paint taken off of my burnt skin with alcohol. OOOOOOO that burns so bad just thinking about it, gosh darn.
1 like12:07
0 likesLion : "Unusual Weather We're Having, Ain't It ?"
Yeah, it's not everyday you see lung tissue shredding asbestos powder raining from a film studio's skies. Oh wait, this is The 1930s...
In summary: Hollywood sucks
4 likeswow, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon synchs up exactly with this video
0 likesYou are one of my favourite youtubers. I love these documentary style videos
26 likes"Just two minutes ago."
0 likesI checked the timestamp and lo and behold he was right.
9:42 Bert was a hypochondriac? Sounds more like he was the only sane person on the set that cared about his health.
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What makes you think no-one else did?
0 likesArt is always a sacrifice you cant have it all you have to give up something creativity, integrity and somtimes even your very well being (mental and physical) that is the nature of art.
1 likeI love the reference to the Dark Side of Oz with "Any Colour You Like" by Pink Floyd playing in the outro
0 likesIf I didn't know Hollywood, I would have almost called this video dark satire, nuts.
0 likesRemember that creepy scene of someone hanging in the far woods, that seems legit now after watching this 😥
0 likesThe Behind the Scenes Production of the Wizard of OZ was ones of the early instances of "Suffering For Your Art."
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There were far earlier examples; read up on Harold Lloyd and Lon Chaney.
0 likesI wonder why none of the main cast didn't just walk out, considering all they had to go through
0 likes"You have to wonder if any of them ever regretted it"
540 likesThe guy who played the first tin man: "Am I joke to you?"
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He was in the Beverly Hillbillies. Classic show.
7 likes*am I a joke to you
1 likeIn fact, he did regret not being able to continue.
0 likesIn fact, Buddy Ebsen did regret not being able to continue.
0 likesImagine being in a 100lb suit, with skin tight makeup on so tight you cant sweat, with 100 degree lights bulbs beaming down on you, while asbestos is being showered down over you, lmao you can't make this shit up!!!!
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Nobody was in a 100 pound suit (Bert Lahr's was 70 pounds, which was quite enough), prosthetic make-up by its nature is right on the skin (it's the same now), the lights were what everyone had to deal with when making a Technicolor movie (and they were shut off every half hour so people could cool down), and the snow was crushed gypsum.
0 likesVideo starts at 2:52, youre welcome
1 likeLiving forever seems like a nightmare.
0 likesRemember back when we thought the most disturbing thing about the movie was the rumor about the hanging munchkin
0 likesThis is the first video of yours that has truly made me feel horrified. Having these people go trough literal torture for the sake of entertainment is not something I expected. Hollywood has always been rooted in evil for me, this video only secured that thought more.
40 likes"the top 8 studios controlled 95% of american cinema"
0 likeswow thats a lot of studios. only a single country too?
I was wondering if there was gonna be a Floyd reference in here. After finishing the video, I am now satisfied
1 likeanyway it's sad how people still want to do acting regardless of how the directors treat people
0 likesActress: I will not do another shot with fire because I just got 2nd degree burns
0 likesProducers: We assure you, it's safe
Actress: no
Producers: Ok fine, we will use your stunt double instead
Prop: explodes under stunt double
Stunt Double: hospitalized
A popular myth is that a munchkin hung himself in the background of one scene. I'm pretty sure the background was painted, and even if it wasn't, any other copy of the movie doesn't have it, and probably never will.
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Isn't that about the theater musical version of wizard of oz that had young Michael Jackson in it?
15 likesIt was proven to be a bird.
85 likesIt’s just a bird. Watch a high quality version of the film and you can see it clear as day.
48 likesUrban legend.
7 likes@norweeg unless... They changed it 👀👀
7 likesNo it's been debunked, some guy eddited the Munchkin and made the rumor up.
24 likesThis is one of the earliest myths I remember as a child. My mom told me and showed me the scene where it looks like someone swinging in the background lol
9 likesIt’s been debunked , old news
1 like@LivingLidless same. It had haunted me for half a week. Even worse was my brother who was in constant fear for months.
3 likesKnowing it was a hoax is both infuriating and laughable.
DEBOONKED
0 likes@Morrigan101 Michael Jackson was in the 1978 movie adaptation of the Wiz which was a take on The Wizard of Oz with an all black cast. I think Michael Jackson was only in the movie version not the stage version.
2 likes@Jared Griffiths There were only two performers from the stage version of The Wiz who transitioned to the movie: Ted Ross as the Cowardly Lion and Mabel King as Evillene, the Wicked Witch of the West.
0 likes@DeltaLeeds Conditions were entirely normal for a Technicolor movie (which means crushingly hot lights that had to be turned off every half hour or so for cast and crew to get a breather). It's just that being a fairy tale, it required more fantastical elements than most. Nobody died on any of the sets, let alone by suicide.
0 likesThe people who did this makeup and suits and thought it was a good idea should go to jail
0 likesWell at least the girl playing Dorothy doesnt have an awful custom
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oh....
The snow in the Wizard of Oz was asbestos? Holy fuck.
1 likeThey should make a movie about this...It could be marketed as a horror film...
1 likeSadly, many classic movies had abysmal filming conditions for actors, and that’s completely ignoring more personal kinds of abuse by directors.
222 likes-Michael J Fox was severely overworked shuffling between Family Ties and Back to The Future.
-George Lucas nearly gave himself a heart attack completing Star Wars: A New Hope.
-Bob Hoskins had severe alcohol abuse working on the Mario Bros movie.
-The infamous ending of Sleepaway camp involved the actor standing in for the “big twist” feeling so uncomfortable with the product that he had his name removed from the credits to avoid discussing it again.
-The dinner scene of Texas Chainsaw Massacre was filmed in the summer in over 100 degree temperatures, and some of the actresses threw up.
-The entire filming conditions of “The Room”, which was an independent movie.
-Stunt actors passing away continually due to accidents on set, one of the most recent, prominent examples being Deadpool 2.
Not to dismiss the extreme conditions that these actors had to deal with over the span of several months, but the fact is that strain on actors and staff has not gone away by any means.
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You forgot Shelley Duvall in The Shining.
34 likes@Eric Cartman
12 likesPoor Shelley.
@Eric Cartman Dang, don’t know how I forgot her, but yeah, she got out through a lot!
9 likesHey, you forgot the best part about chainsaw massacre, in the dinner scene, when they cut the girl's finger to feed the grandpa, they DID cut the actress finger, and the actor DID drink her blood
14 likesBehind the scenes of Apocalypse Now was also very cutthroat, brutal, and deadly. It would end up being one of the greatest films Coppola has ever made.
9 likesSo what happened with the sleepaway camp movie anyways? I never saw the movie so why did one of the actors remove their name?
4 likes"To Boldly Flee" (Chanel Awsome) puts all these movies to shame.
5 likesCan't forget the living hell that followed Anakin's actor from The Phantom Menace.
7 likesI mean the Micheal J Fox example and the Sleepaway camp examples are not on par with the others on the list. The first is Micheal J Fox trying to work two jobs at once hardly the fault of either studio the other one is an actor not liking the film he was a part of. Not really at the same level or even close with the rest of the list
2 likesDon’t forget about the fact that Bob Hoskins broke his finger on set and was in a cast for the entire rest of the filming
1 likeLook at all the BTS stuff from James Cameron's Abyss. Ed Harris was crying on his way to the set every single day, and still refuses to talk about that film.
4 likes@Andrew Wilson That was more fan backlash toward the actor and not so much on-set issues, but yes, a handful of actors involved in the Star Wars prequel and sequel movies have been harassed to the point of wanting to retire from acting altogether
6 likes@Crzypengu This is a spoiler for the end, I will condense it as much as possible to make it clear.
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At the end of the movie it’s revealed that our killer was actually the little boy, Peter, who survived the boating accident and was forced against his will to life his life pretending to be female. They used a wax covering of actress Felica Rose’s face and got some drunk guy from a college to pose naked for the reveal that the character was male. Because the guy had to stand naked, was mildly drunk, and kept getting bothered by the chilly nighttime lakeside air, he felt very uncomfortable after the fact and asked that he not be credited so no one knows who he was.
I did not hit her! It's not true, it's bullshit! I did not hit her I did not.... Oh hi mark!
0 likesTo add more for TCM, a lot of the props for that film, were from a Slaughter House, so it was extra terrible
0 likes@CyberNinjaZero And Sleepaway Camp the actor wasn't even a Actor, he was a college kid
2 likes@True Blue Ryu thats crazy and understandable why the actor chose not to be credited. Surprised they went that route even back in the 80s.
2 likesYou might also mention Olivia Jackson, Milla Jovovich's stunt double on the last Resident Evil movie, losing her left arm in a motorcycle stunt, and David Holmes, Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows winding up a quadriplegic because of a stunt gone wrong.
0 likesThey should make a movie about this
1 likeDamn I remember this channel back when it made YTP's
0 likes2:52 is where it actually starts
0 likesI already can't stand The Wizard of Oz, but now I have even better reason to
0 likesWe need more singing! It was a really nice intro!
1 likeI always found something creepy about the original movie. Probably because it's basically a torture film.
0 likesthat Cosby Jab didn't age so well, other then that, outstanding video and love the dark history.
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It wasn't dark, just tough.
0 likesYou forgot to mention the one dude that literally hung himself on set. You can see it in the background of some copies of the film. They later edited it out when the technology became available.
0 likesI remember when I was in kindergarten there was a Wizard of Oz play at my school and my music teacher let us sign up to be Munchkins, I was the last one in line and when I asked he told me there wasn't any Munchkin spots left but he did have a role for me...
247 likesI was the tornado
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Truly the most important role of the play
63 likesThe storm that was approaching?
13 likesYou could have been Dorothy's dog. At least, the tornado only appears a few seconds
6 likes@Simple Weirdo h
2 likes@Squeaky
0 likesLessgoooo
@Crack For many minutes, really.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Oh for real...? Crap
0 likes@Crack Sure, watch the movie; they made good use of their special effects, and in the stage version it's presented (most often) as a ballet of sorts.
0 likesThe national weather service has issued a downward spiral warning
0 likesRusty: Are you fucking serious
Loved the nod to "The Dark Side of the Rainbow" at the end
1 likeMGM 100% caused Judy Garland's death.
2 likesNo one has seen this since it aired in 1976, but Margaret Hamilton was on an episode of Sesame Street. This sesame Street episode is considered lost media, Margaret Hamilton was also on Mr. Rogers neighborhood.
1 likeWho could forget the timeless characters: Dora the Expat, Ironman, Snoop Lion and, my favorite, Strawdog Millionaire.
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Alright, that was clever.
11 likesSup Percy and yes
2 likesHeat drowsing inside
1 likeExpat is right; in the books, Dorothy and her aunt and uncle move to Oz full time.
1 likeHold on! Hold on! I'm starting to understand something!.... It would appear all these Hollywood directors have a common theme.... What could it be?!?
2 likesWhat a horrible history to come from an otherwise really classic movie, even from the 1930s.
1 likeWell, Macaulay Culkin is doing pretty well these days.
0 likes16:19
0 likesIt's not fair using Erik Satie's Gymnopedie No. 1
The sound alone is enough to make any grown man cry
EmpLemon: "During these 5 months, the stars were subjected to the most horrendous conditions in the history of the American film industry."
27 likesSuper Mario Bros. Movie: Am I a joke to you?
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To Boldly Flee: “hold my rape joke”
7 likesimagine having nearly 800k subscribers and you still wont buy subtitles for your videos
2 likesYou and Bill Burr are masters of tricking me into not skipping ads
0 likesJudy Garland was on amphetamines long before the shoot of the wizard of oz, her parents used to give her drugs to improve her performances in acting and singing when she was barely 10 years old, 6 years before the shoot of the wizard of oz so i would disagree that she suffered the most on set compared to others. I'm not downplaying the fact that she was fed drugs at the age of 10, just that in terms of before vs after the shooting of the movie, she was far from having the worst effects in my opinion.
0 likesAnd yet, no one discusses the production nightmare the film went through, compared to others like Apocalypse Now or The Twilight zone Movie.
0 likesThis movie is scary to look behind the scenes. The stories about the midget orgies really scarred me.
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Excuse me...the WHAT
42 likes@Generic Gaming Channel
11 likesYeah I second that.
@James Green oh...oh no
1 like@Generic Gaming Channel I'm intrigued and horrified at the same time
4 likesI would mention the hanging munchkin, but it turns out to just be a bird lol
7 likesIs this a joke
0 likes@Alvin Yakitori It's not a joke. My great grandpa told me stories as he was in the crew and witnessed some of it. They would pass around a jar of crunchy peanut butter "for extra grit" and wore nothing but clown masks. He said the smell when he walked in the room could be described as burned mushrooms and sour milk.
10 likes@Generic Gaming Channel oh no, I looked at you for too long. No. NO. NOO, DON'T LOOK BACK AT ME!
3 likesthe thing i like about emp is that he talke about his own topics he wants to talk about
0 likesBro the end of this voodoo blows my mind with the transition and the midi track and how it all relates amazing
0 likesany color you like at the end was a really nice touch. great work on this one emp!
0 likesIt's funny that they were getting tortured simultaneously as Europe was being tortured by WW2.
1 likeFun Fact: this is all just an alcohol-withdrawal induced hallucination in Rusty’s swamp shack.
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IT ISNT !?!?!?!!?!
3 likesVideo starts at 2:50
1 likeI love your channel it's like if nerd city posted consistently
0 likesI think its time we finally got a sequel to "YouTube Has Been on a Downward Spiral"
1 likeWas the inclusion of Pink Floyd at the end intentional? Especially given the title.. 'Dark side' of Hollywood. Nice detail I thought if it was.
1 likeSomeone needs to make a film about this. We need more movies showcasing that a career in Hollywood is not all sunshine and rainbows (no pun intended).
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I know there was a chevey chase movie where this couple was having to deal with the munchkin actors and they were little monsters apparently
6 likesEh...
0 likesThat would just be ironic really
Actually I'm surprised there isn't like, a documentary or something to my knowledge. Though it'd be impossible now, what with the nearing a 100 years later and all... Damn, and I feel weird thinking about stuff I grew up on from the late 90's and early 00's being 10+ years old, can't imagine what someone who was a kid when this movie was new must feel if they're alive to be reminded
1 likeWait, Hollywood had a bright side? Does anybody have a source for this?
1 likeWhen I saw rusty I got so happy
0 likesHaven't seen him in a long time kek
Lmao, MaskedMan66 simping for Hollywood in every thread.
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We can smell the "ACKCHUALLY" from here bucko, cut it out.
27 likesHollywood, schmollywood; I'm just talking about one movie.
1 likeforbidden 3rd weinstein brother
0 likesHoly shit I looked for MaskedMan in random comments and sure enough they were there. This guy has no life lmao
5 likes@bigg buff bois I have a life, thanks. This video isn't about me, so how about you say something in reference to it.
0 likesIncidentally, do you call hunting up a particular commentator for purposes of exercising hatred having a life? If you think about it, that seems rather a petty thing for you to do, doesn't it? ;-)
@MaskedMan66 dude you are an actual enigma. 500 fucking comments probably on this video alone
5 likes@JUPACALYPSE NOW And your comment is about me. You're rather missing the point, old boy. When commenting under a video, it's generally the done thing to speak about the video. Give that a try!
0 likes@MaskedMan66 "I have a life, thanks" You claim you sell the truth yet you say this
0 likes@CMG The Person Friend, I understand that you want to make this about me, but let's see if you can stick to the topic at hand, which is the1939 MGM movie "The Wizard of Oz."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 "i have a life thanks" if you truly had a life then why tf would you argue with strangers on the internet for hours? arguing with someone on the internet wont give you anything. It only gives you a false sense of satisfaction.
0 likes@Uncle Sam I don't argue, I relate facts. I'm not on the Internet for hours, I stop in when I have a bit of time-- and even then I'm doing other things. Probably much the same as you.
0 likes@JUPACALYPSE NOW How does wanting to know the actual truth about this movie and reading the right sources about it make me a "nutjob?" Just trying to cop your reasoning.
0 likesThanks for the compliment about my taste in music; do you mean the music of Wizard or something else?
@Vegas Never been there.
0 likes@Vegas Now, what do you know for sure about The Wizard of Oz?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 no your actual taste in music. Kim Wilde, Thalia, alizee. Good music 👍
1 like@JUPACALYPSE NOW Well, thanks. 🙂 Have you heard Kim's recent one, "Pop Don't Stop," with her brother sharing the vocals?
0 likes@JUPACALYPSE NOW It's 800 now 🤣🤦
0 likesDid you know that if you play Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon along with this video you unlock a secret green Simpsons character?
0 likesMakes the saying "break a leg" alot more darker.
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Nobody broke any legs, though Betty Danko came close. Anyhow, you don't understand how that phrase is used.
0 likes@MaskedMan66
0 likesOkay and?
@nettoyage de la maison And so much for the OP's comment.
0 likesGREAT touch at the end adding the 8bit style of Pink Floyd's "Any Colour You Like"
1 likeThat's b i g b r a i n
Great vid, tragic story
I will never see Wizard of Oz the same way again
0 likesIm starting to realize why that myth of a munchkin killing themselves on set could be so likely
0 likesThe funniest part about all of this is that MGM would STILL end up being dwarfed by Disney and Warner in the years to come, eventually being bought and resold by the latter outside of some of their legacy catalog. Not to mention success for the later two internationally was always better than their competitors because of Animation's less language-restricted nature and broader appeal.
11 likesSo Snow White still won in the long-run.
Yo, just as a head's up, using the two-tone signal from the emergency alert system when there is no emergency is prohibited by the FCC. So the intro to that ad could get you fined, and the FCC has been known to enforce it.
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I think it's if you play it out live irl? If it's on a YouTube video I think it's fine because it's been on so many. I think
0 likesgovernment and big industries are perfect examples of power getting to people's heads
0 likesI believe Louis B Mayer also helped with Gone With the Wind which was released the same year
0 likesThere is no dark side of Hollywood, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark.
1 likeI mean the people who worked on “Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs” certainly didn’t have any physical problems; Walt Disney fired a ton of his animators.
0 likesThey literally confetti'd asbestos at these people and that was the LEAST of their offenses.
0 likesSuch a heavy price for making such a distinguishing story. In celebrating it, are we participates to their suffering, or contributors to their success?
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Their suffering was, on the whole, no more than any actors had to deal with on any projects (including stage projects). "Gone With the Wind" had more things bedeviling it than "Wizard." Margaret Hamilton, who suffered the most, loved the finished movie and played the WWW many more times throughout her long career.
0 likesOmg, the moment I heard rusty cage on one of my favorite channels I knew this would be a bomb video
0 likesI thought this was gonna be a regular 'look at this bad stuff that happened' video, but damn, what you said in the last 5 minutes is a colossal buffet of food for thought. I rarely comment on videos but this was a good one
43 likes"You should've never trusted Hollywood"
0 likesThis was my favorite movie growing up... I just don't know what to say...
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Say that it still is. Judy, Margaret, and Ray especially loved it for the rest of their lives.
0 likesThis seems like it woulda been hard to be an actor for Disney!
0 likesEmp and Internet Historian are the only ones whose ads are just as entertaining as the videos they appear in.
0 likesIt's truly amazing how this 21 minute video is best than 98/ of things on Tv, and most certain better than any high budget modern documentary today.
19 likesGreat work man.
That ending…. deep….
1 likeThe biggest fact that really surprised me was it the pyramid was volunteer work
0 likesVideo starts at 2:52.
1 likeMan i dont get any recomendations from your videos.. though you actually provide unique high quality content.
0 likes"Actors are temporary, we only remember the characters they portray."
575 likesJohn Wayne: Hold my pilgrim!
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Yep. Likewise, there are plenty of artists who's names eclipse even their works. I mean, can you name EVERY work of DaVinci, Michelangelo, Van Gogh, etc.? There are certain ultra famous ones that put the artist in the collective vernacular, but ultimately the person is just as if not occasionally more famous than the work of art. Same goes for Walt Disney, Tezuka, Stan Lee, Jim Henson... Being a creator or artist doesn't mean you're dooming yourself to be wholly eclipsed by your works if they are successful.
51 likesI get that Emp is trying to play big-brain/existentialist (as he often does), but as is often the case it's a narrowminded/newbie perspective on the topics.
Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?
16 likesI think that is more so because John always played the same character
19 likeskid 50 years in the future: who tf is John Wayne? Reminds me a bit of Bruce Willis.
9 likes@Artman2004 Who said that?
9 likesRegardless of what punk songs say about him; that’s a cynically based statement.
3 likes@Aleis in Wndrlen WHO DAFUK SAID THAT!?
8 likesHappy Thanksgiving Pilgrims.
1 likeI'M COMING JOHN WAYNE!
1 like@Secular Ascetic Emp is like the youtuber's youtuber
0 likesThat statement somehow sounds wrong and it’s correct at the same time. Like people remember the names of the actors and know who they are sure, but I mean, what else are we to know them by? We don’t ever meet them, and even when they act normal for interviews, I always feel like there is still an act going on.
0 likesIf you think this is dark, try anything related to Shirley Temple.
1 likeTHEY USED ASBESTOS AS SNOW! Holy crap. Everything in this video is mind-blowing.
0 likesAs if we didn't already know that Hollywood is bad.
1 like"The greatest works are painted with blood"
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This one wasn't.
0 likesBuddy fate was depressing not only was he fired from one of the most greatest Hollywood movies ever made and a role of a iconic character. but he was left with chronic bronchitis that followed him to his death
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And not even oaid
0 likesHe had a congenital bronchial problem from the time he was in his mama's womb. His fate was to go on to a long and prolific career in which he created two iconic T.V. characters, namely Jed Clampett and Barnaby Jones. He lived to the ripe old age of 95, and only died 18 years ago.
0 likesNice vid. Took me a while to actually sit down and watch it. Glad I did.
0 likesWhole film has mk ultra written all over it.
2 likesThat 8-bit “Any Color You Like” at the end is the chef’s kiss
0 likesI have no idea the production of the Wizard of Oz is that bad.
0 likesHollywood is one of the most godless places on earth, I genuinely don't understand why anyone, knowing what we know about it today, could ever have as a life goal even getting near that place.
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Billions of people are exposed to it. Show an idea to that amount of people, and some will think it's the greatest thing ever. Then account for showing it in a glamorous light, with award ceremonies watched by tens of millions if not hundreds once upon a time, stars being paid millions for single performances, etc... and only recently has the rot been exposed in a way that actually reached an appreciable number of people thanks to the internet.
24 likesEven then, Hollywood had to go fully woke AND incompetent before a healthy contempt could begin to go mainstream.
And even now, I don't expect people to fully reject Hollywood, either supporting its agendas or simply not caring and having no taste.
Artists want to make it big and have lots of fame and fortune doing what they like doing best: acting and working the arts. And Hollywood seemed to be the best place to do that for the longest time, so I can see why people would dream of going there. Youre not seeing it from their point of view.
4 likesWhere else should have people gone when they wanted to be actors? Yeah sure, now there's Bollywood, but still.
1 like@Robersora Lots of places. Movies do get made outside of the US and India.
2 likes@Pwn3r while I understand this, nowadays possibilities are way higher and Hollywood isn't the only place where you can "make it big".
0 likesI'm not blaming the artists for what happens in Hollywood, I am just saying that knowing what we know about the industry today I find it hard to believe people still think putting a feet there should be the peak of their careers.
@Odin Sørensen My comment was meant to be facetious.
0 likesGoopy-Amethyst Because an artist’s passion will not permit him/her to do or be able to do anything else
0 likesI was really confused when Vanced's ad skipping AI offered to skip the whole intro to the video. It wasn't until 1:35 that I realized it was an ad for keeps.
0 likesThere are also theories about a munchkin actor who hung himself in the background of one of the shots.
0 likesIt’s insane seeing them using asbestos like that !
0 likesThis sponsorship is so iconic 💀
0 likesOh man my jaw always flies open whenever I see a documentary about something in the 20th century and the word "asbestos" is said. I know then and there I'm about to hear some absolutely horrifying shit, and the line "it was also used in the snow in the poppy field scene" locked my face into complete horror
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The snow was crushed gypsum, not asbestos.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 And what goes into the gypsum?
23 likes@MaskedMan66 The main chemical components of gypsum are calcium, sulfur, oxygen, and water. The chemical formula is CaSO 4·2H2O, these components also make up the base ingredients for plaster, drywall, and blackboard & sidewalk chalk. Regardless if the snow was actually made of asbestos or not, that is not a substance any sane person would want to be breathing in.
46 likes@No-Face James Which is why, I'm sure, nobody made a deliberate effort to breathe it in. I mean, would you?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 You know they could have made the snow with a lot of other things, right? A lot that wouldn't hurt you. Just because it doesn't kill doesn't mean it isn't bad.
30 likes@GMDrandom 628 Gypsum had been used for snow since the Silent Era, and obviously if anyone had encountered any difficulty with it, its use would have been discontinued. The only other thing widely used for snow in movies was soap flakes, and that would have been completely impracticable given how hot the studio lights were.
1 likeThey used soap flakes in "It's a Wonderful Life," and if you watch the scene where George Bailey is running through the streets yelling "Merry Christmas!" at everyone, he's running through suds! :-)
It blows my mind that asbestos is still allowed to be used in the USA, like, it's used in crayons as a binding agent... kids use those...
0 likes@Drood There was none in the snow, of that you may rest assured. As for crayons, the matter is being looked into.
0 likes@MaskedMan66
5 likesLooked into? I can tell you they are, in my asbestos course we were given a pack of crayons brought in America and you could see the asbestos fibers in the crayons, the point was to test our abiity to identify it.
Thanks EmpLemon for reminding me what the title of :the game: was.
0 likes"[Asbestos] was used in the snow in the poppy scene"
0 likesMe: jerks in my chair and audibly gasps in horror
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Rest easy. It was crushed gypsum, not asbestos.
0 likesi like tragic behind the scenes videos. u should do one on the shining. the filming was tragic for shelley duvall
0 likesIt is unfortunate that people treat death as a spectacle rather than a warning.
0 likesI know this can be said for all the actors who never deserved such torture just for a film, but Margaret Hamilton was a pure soul who became metaphorically and physically scarred by her role, and its depressing
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She never dwelt on her scars and would tell you to relax and enjoy that movie which she loved with all her heart.
1 likemakes you wonder if actors like robin williams goes through the same thing
2 likes😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😏
0 likes@acacia Well, he doesn't because he's dead.
1 likeSad what hollywood did to actors like robin williams and margaret hamilton
1 like@acacia Hollywood didn't do anything to Margaret Hamilton; she had a long and prolific career and was widely loved as one of the most agreeable actresses to work with.
1 like@MaskedMan66 yes they did
0 likes@MaskedMan66 evil hollywood
0 likes@acacia Nope. She enjoyed her work and the people with whom she worked. She loved acting.
1 like@MaskedMan66 hollywood evil, she is suffering
0 likes@MaskedMan66 margaret hamilton is a victim
0 likes@MaskedMan66 well, yes, MGM, and the crew of wizard of oz.
4 likesHamilton recieved burns from one of the pyrotechnic effects going off incorrectly. And on top of that, despite being a pure and wonderful soul, being a grade school teacher, she was typecast immediately as a wicked and cruel woman because of her phenomenal role as the Witch. That is what my statement of her being scarred was
@acacia oh. Well, fuck it man, keep it up! Ikl retract my statement
0 likes@Elijah Jarman no worries
0 likes@Elijah Jarman What about MGM and the crew of "Wizard?" I don't understand.
1 likeYes, she got burned by an ill-timed gout of flame. That's called an accident. It was not deliberately done to her. A stage hand grabbed her-- and she didn't know why; she had no idea she was on fire-- and shoved her under a sink to put out the flames, then someone from make-up cleaned her off (that was the painful part for her), then the studio doctor put salve on her face and right hand and wrapped them in bandages. She then called a friend to take her home. She healed and went back to work because she was a tough lady and she loved playing the Wicked Witch.
As far as typecasting, "Wizard" was Miss Hamilton's twenty-seventh movie, and she had already played a long succession of spinsters and schoolmarms of a terse aspect (Miss Gulch was that sort), so she was actually delighted to be playing a character that let her cut loose and chew the scenery. But that was the most cruel character she ever played; for the rest of her career, she was a character actress and mostly played maids and matrons and characters like Granny Frump on "The Addams Family" (she had been asked to play Grandmama Addams, but didn't want to commit to a series at that time) and Aunt Em in an animated movie called "Journey Back to Oz," starring Liza Minnelli as Dorothy.
And she reprised the Wicked Witch of the West many times, on stage and on television. She simply loved that character.
@MaskedMan66 Because It's easy to not dwell on anything when you have Alzimer's, right?
0 likes@Alexandre Santos Talkin' about before she had it, friend.
0 likes@acacia That would be news to her.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 cap
0 likes@MaskedMan66 she's suffering
0 likes@acacia She's not, you know; she's been dead since 1985.
1 like@MaskedMan66 yes all the other actors are suffering too, they are mistreated
0 likes@acacia No, they're dead as well.
1 like@MaskedMan66 wrong
0 likes@MaskedMan66 they are victim of abuse
0 likes@MaskedMan66 bro can you just stop please.
1 like@acacia They are dead, so they aren't victims of anything. Stop talking about them in the present tense.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 all victim and suffering right now😥😥😥😥 feel so sorry for them
0 likes@acacia Troll.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 no, you know it's true hollywood is torturing them
0 likes@acacia Troll.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 no
0 likes@MaskedMan66 i'm no troll buddy, you can't argue against me so your lost
0 likesUnfortunate but that's just how things we're in those times.
0 likesI'm well aware you may not take suggestions for vid ideas, but for what it's worth, there will never ever be another children's TV program like Mister Rogers' Neighborhood
0 likesThat start reminded me of some serious analog horror.
0 likesThat Great Depression picture was in my 5th grade history book
1 likewho knew that a youtube pooper is quickly becoming the most interesting essayist on youtube
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I like to think that the youtube poops were just surreal essays.
56 likesessayist? that word does not need to exist
0 likesMeanwhile, Schaffrillas and Tamatoa cough serupticiously from the sidelines..
17 likes@Sergio M. A. that was good
0 likes@Sergio M. A. It has poop in the name, I don't know what you were expecting.
1 like@Pizza Man I think the Rules Of The Internet need to be amended to include a Rule 34 equivalent for YTP's.
1 like@Pizza Man No, I mean that there is an unspoken Rule 34 Varient, where if it exists, there is a YTP of it. Not connected to the actual Rule 34, but only applying to YTP'S.
1 like@Pizza Man This is true, but not what I meant. I'm sorry I didn't word it properly. I just meant that if a thing exists, someone has made a YTP about it I didn't mean to imply anything untoward.
3 likesno one will ever beat nerrel
0 likes@Tucker Tooley Idk, Liam Triforce is pretty damn good. I'm also a sucker for MauLer's content, and while i don't always see eye to eye with him on his opinions, he does a fantastic job of backing them up with strong supporting arguments and months' worth of research. He's definitely someone that i think more video essayists should aspire to be like, especially if they're game or film reviewers.
1 likeUsually YouTube poopers are the most enlightened of us
0 likes@Electro_blob 2 I'm not saying that either is better than the other (nor am I disputing that) just that both had their start in YTP's.
0 likes@Sergio M. A. hahaa
0 likesI think Buddy Ebsen is a far more memorable name than Jack Haley, for a different character
0 likesThank God hollywood is a shall of it's former self nowadays. There's a reason acting career was considered morally dubious for most of history. Not everything should be sacrificed for art
0 likesY’all how the fuck does this guy have less than a million subs?
1 likehey least their work paid off, imagine if it didn't
1 likeRusty, it's good to see you again.
0 likesDamn, this is depressing. All these actors had been, in some way, ruined by this movie.
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No, they hadn't. Do you think that "Wizard" was the only movie ever that had accidents happening during production, or hardships experienced because of hot lights or stifling costumes? Anthony Daniels, encased in head-to-toe fiberglass and having to act in a desert for the first "Star Wars" movie, had it far worse than Jack Haley in his buckram suit under hot lights that could be shut off when they got too hot. And nobody died, unlike Vic Morrow, Myca Dinh Le, and Renee Shin-Yi Chen, who were killed by a crashing helicopter while they were working on "Twilight Zone: The Movie."
1 like@MaskedMan66 Those are all tragic accidents, yes. However, I was only giving my condolences to the actors in the Wizard of Oz, because that's what the video is about.
1 likeIf EmpLemon was talking about the excruciating costuming of Anthony Daniels in Star Wars, or the horrific deaths of the actors from the Twilight Zone film, than I would have commented as such.
@Mark Parkinson I was saying that it's ridiculous to single out "Wizard" as if it's the only movie ever made wherein accidents occurred.
1 like@MaskedMan66 EmpLemon was not implying that the Wizard of Oz was the only time tragic accidents happened on film sets. Of course tragic accidents happen on film sets. He was focusing on the Wizard of Oz, because the film is one of the most iconic in American film history, and can help shine a light on other abuses that go around within the film industry.
1 like@Mark Parkinson A tragic accident is one in which someone dies. Nobody died while making "Wizard." One person associated with the movie died while it was in production, but that was in a traffic accident on his day off; he was Bert Lahr's stuntman.
1 likeAnd enough talk of "abuses"; that word implies malice on the part of the people in charge and that they deliberately put their people in danger. There are risks that people working on movies take, much the same sort of risks people in any industry are subject to. People who sign up for those jobs know that.
@MaskedMan66 A tragic accident does not have to result in someone's death. A tragic accident usually means a distressing or sorrowing experience as a result of damage or injury.
1 likeDeath can be a tragic accident as well, but there are many other ways that tragic accidents can happen, and the production of the Wizard of Oz has some of these non-fatal tragic accidents.
@Mark Parkinson You're splitting hairs now. Accidents are accidents. They happen everywhere. There's no need to single out one blinking movie. If anyone to whom the accidents happened considered those accidents "tragic," they eventually got over them.
1 likeI was in a traffic accident when I was a kid and messed my leg up really bad, and my bike was destroyed. Was that "tragic?" I didn't think so, and still don't. It was painful, and it took a lot of healing, but I got over it.
The folks who were injured making "Wizard" were adults, and I daresay they took it like adults.
Margaret Hamilton especially; she was hurt the worst, but she took it the best.
@MaskedMan66 I am sorry that this traffic accident happened to you. And I am glad you got over it.
1 likeHowever, that's not to denounce that anything bad happened to the cast of Wizard of Oz, who suffered entirely different circumstances that are their own forms of tragic accidents.
Let's be clear on what the definition of "tragic" and "accident" are, because we seem to have varying definitions, and to not define these terms would make this argument confusing.
These are Oxford-approved definitions that can be found in the first result of a Google search:
1) Tragic: Causing or characterized by extreme distress or sorrow.
2) Accident: An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
Now what I am going to do is list some examples of this presented in the video.
First is Judy Garland, who although suffered the least physically, was absolutely scarred, psychologically. She was emotionally abused by his co-stars, who were relentlessly mocking and berating Garland for her role as Dorothy. This is tragic, as she has been sorrowed and distressed by her work environment during the Wizard of Oz, and she unfortunately took solace in drugs that lead to her relatively early death in 1967.
Second is Buddy Ebsen. He played the TIn Man briefly before suffering from the aluminium dust in his make-up and forced to have been hospitalized due to the make-up nearly asphyxiating him. This was an extremely distressing situation for Ebsen, and the make-up's effects were unintentional in their injurious nature against Ebsen.
And finally, there's the Wicked Witch herself, Margaret Hamilton. Because of faulty scheduling with the pyrotechnics, she suffered horrific burns on half of her face and one of her hands, of which treatment was delayed by the time-consuming task of removing the copper make-up she wore as the witch. It was unintentional that she got burned, making it an accident and tragic, because of how distressing it was for Hamilton.
@Mark Parkinson Get it right: Judy was NOT abused by her co-stars or anyone else who worked on the movie. Where that story comes from, I haven't the least idea, because it isn't backed up by any authoritative reports. On the contrary, the people with whom she worked had nothing but praise for her. Jack Haley said she was "born to brilliance." Margaret Hamilton said, "Judy kept us all going. When she came on the set, it was as though the lights got brighter." Meinhardt Raabe, the Munchkin Coroner, spoke on behalf of his fellow Little People when he said of her, "We were accepted as equals by her. She would sit down on the steps on the set with the rest of us and chat every day."
1 likeEbsen got over what happened to him, and got on with his life and his career, both of which were many decades long. In fact, MGM cast him in two movies once he was healed, and both of them were released in 1939 along with "Wizard" (and many other movies).
It wasn't "faulty scheduling" that led to Miss Hamilton's injuries, it was a mechanical difficulty with the jets that shot up the flames; they went off before she was under the stage (indeed, the first take went perfectly). If you consider second degree burns (that's what she got on her face) "horrific," fair enough, but once the make-up was off-- and they did it as quickly as possible-- the studio doctor put salve on her face and hand, wrapped her face and hand in bandages, then a friend of hers came by and picked her up. However upsetting it may have been for her at the time, Miss Hamilton was a tough lady, and carried on with her work, and in later years had no problem relating the story to people who asked her about it. It had no effect on either her love of the film or the fun she had playing the Wicked Witch, a role she reprised many more times on stage and television.
I urge you strongly to read the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman. All of those people investigated the making of the movie in depth and spoke to the people involved in it-- Mrs. Harmetz alone interviewed 48 actors and behind-the-scenes people.
@MaskedMan66 Thank you for the book recommendations.
1 likeAnd yes, I will admit, the faulty scheduling thin was a poor choice of words. I wholeheartedly agree with you that Hamilton was burned as a result of bad usage of pyrotechnics.
Every piece of information I referred in my previous comment, specifically Judy being abused by her co-stars, are all from the video you and I are commenting under, which is EmpLemon's expository documentary of the behind the scene drama in the Wizard of Oz. I'm not sure if you have watched the video yet, but if you do, I bet you will understand where I am coming from at the very least.
And ultimately, I am glad that the film's production was not wasted an ended up becoming an icon of pop culture.
@Mark Parkinson Trust me, this dude's got it wrong. A cast at odds cannot be as cohesive onscreen as those four are in this movie. Obviously there was a generation gap, as Judy was 16 and the three companions were all over 30, but Judy was a very gregarious girl and was as much at ease talking to adults as to people nearer her own age.
1 likeLike I said, I have no idea where these notions of cast animosity come from, since a look into the film's real backstory (as seen in those books) reveals a very supportive cast and crew.
But yes, please read those books; you may have to hunt up the first two, but the third is still in bookstores.
@MaskedMan66 Again, thank you for the recommendations. I'm surprised you have such a deep knowledge of the Wizard of Oz, but nonetheless, I am glad you were able to argue the topic fluently.
1 likeAdditionally, I would recommend to watch the video if you have not watched the video already. It could provide for an interesting antithesis to your knowledge and resources about the Wizard of Oz, which I would be interested in discussing.
@Mark Parkinson For "antithesis" read "lies," or at the very least, "exaggerations." I have skimmed it, and there's nothing that I haven't heard elsewhere. When rumor gets mixed with truth, or when it's allowed to override truth, that's when you need to get to the source and find out where people have got things wrong.
1 likeFor instance, Judy's throwaway remark about the Munchkins, "They were drunks," which she meant as a joke, ended up becoming not so funny when other rumors and stories got into the act, and the questionable off screen behavior of a few of the Singer Midgets started getting thrown at all 124 of them.
Anyhow, thank you for being civil; it's always a breath of fresh air when people don't just latch on to the "popular" stories.
@MaskedMan66 No problem, Masked Man, and that’s a very interesting perspective of the munchkins. Things can be extremely messed up sometimes, especially with rumors spread around, so I am glad that you were able to provide a different perspective. It can be monotonous sometimes when you are just hearing the perspectives of people you agree with, however satisfying it can be, so thank you.
1 likeAnd it also highlights how dangerous a celebrity’s words can get, which makes you realize that if you are in public, and you are speaking to someone, it’s best to be as direct as possible. Leave no room for interpretation, which makes it harder for rumors to spread.
@Mark Parkinson I'm sure as I can be that if Judy knew what would happen as a result of her "joke," she would never have made it in the first place.
1 likeThis started with the most confusing ad ever, I kept watching.
0 likesThe horror story that is the wizard of oz!
1 likeits like the quote "They say you die twice. Once when you stop breathing and the second, a bit later on, when somebody mentions your name for the last time"
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Not wrong. You only really die when you're forgotten.
24 likes@TheAzureNightmare “when somebody mentions your name for the last time.”
5 likesThat’s what it’s referring to.
Yeah but sometimes the latter happens first
0 likesThis reminds me of a quote from One Piece, which really fits.
4 likes"When does a man die? When he is shot by a bullet? No. When he suffers a disease? No. When he ate a soup made of a poisonous mushroom? No. A man dies when he is forgotten."
That's a quote of Irvin Yalom. Often misattributed to Banksy.
2 likes@Paulo Hernanndizz Only your last name? What happens when somebody mentions your first name for the last time?
0 likesCoCo in a nutshell
1 like@Deadliest Vice NAME, not just last name.
1 like@Paulo Hernanndizz That's not what you wrote, though. In fact, you even forgot the "for the last time" part. So what happens when someone mentions your last name?
0 likes@Deadliest Vice read it again, you’re wrong, lol
1 likeThe existence of movies such as Bayformers, M. Night's worst movie, Foodfight! and The Emoji Movie, the controversial production histories like this and people like Weinstein are what I consider as the darkest abyss of Hollywood.
0 likesthat spiral in the intro looked more like an upward spiral, you know, going into the sky and all
0 likesLove these types of videos
0 likesIf I Only Had Some Hair
0 likes(sung in the style of “If I Only Had A Brain”)
Why if I had some hair I could…
VERSE 1
I could comb away my troubles
But all I have is stubble
Without a hat to wear
I could use a brush for hours
And clog the drains of showers
If I only had some hair
VERSE 2
I could charge my barber double
For untangling the tousle
Of curls so thick and rare
I could finally throw away
All my wigs and my toupee
If I only had some hair
INTERLUDE
Oh I
Could tell you why
The hair plugs don’t look real
And then I’d sit
And let you feel
VERSE 3
I would not be just a whinin’
My head all cold and shinin’
My heart and head so bare
I would show off like a Samson
Life would be all wine and dancin’
If I only had some hair
That is pretty much all industries in a nutshell. The sacrifices made to produce art is seldom spoken of, and, as EmpLemon says, it is the art, not the artist, that lives on. It even makes its way into today's forums. You have influencers, musicians, politicians, social media. They all chase the same thing, which is, as EmpLemon states, "prestige".
28 likesGod I love this channel
1 likeI hope the people that that made all of these horrors were drafted into Europe or the pacific
1 likeI have a grand-aunt who was named Metro after my grandmother starred in MGM's Eskimo.
0 likesI LOVE THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesYou used some Beethoven, some Eric Satie, and I appreciate it.
Wizard of Oz is one of my favorite movies, A shame to hear what happened to the actors and actresses in the movie. Hollywood is a cesspit
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It’s a major fact about most, if not, all major media produced for the sake of profit.
5 likesAnyone knows what sound this at 0:31 is and where to find it? It has a nice ring to it and I'd like to perhaps use it for a sound composition.
0 likesDude I fucking loved that intro lol
0 likesThat $825 the stunt actress got is equal to about $15,000 in today’s money. That’s not bad
0 likes- Bill Cosby has been acquitted btw, nice to see that nothing has changed.
3 likes- (except that in 1937 studios liked nazis instead of socialists)
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Cosby was acquitted because of a technical error. And I’m permanently avoiding him anyway.
0 likesWow, what a surprise! My favorite Youtuber talking about my favorite movie.
2104 likesEven though it's about the atrocities that happened with the actors and all the people involved.
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Fr emplemon is very unique amongst most other youtubers.
20 likes@relentless chaos i agree.
2 likesI'm never seeing it as the same again.
2 likesCARAI NEM IMAGINAVA VC AKI MATT KKKKKKKKKKK
14 likes@relentless chaos Damn that ending got to me personally when I was thinking about what happens after death then closed my eye in trepidation.
0 likesEae Cartoonizando, dboas?
2 likesEae
0 likesFor every enjoyment and treats of life; blood, sweat and tears were spilled down the horizon. The long cycle of history is a gruesome one and one who knows it dares not wanting to repeat it.
8 likesI'm each time angrier at Hollywood.
1 likeOpa
0 likesPrimeiro comentário de um brasileiro no YouTube gringo que boa parte das respostas estão em inglês haha
2 likesNice, o matt aqui
1 like@Pedro Busquet Segundo comentário brasileiro!
1 likeCaralho, tu por aqui?
0 likesBoa noite meu consagrado
1 likeOpa, um Br aq nós comentários, eai man blz?
0 likesWait the Wizard of Oz is your favorite movie.
4 likes@Nana I'm between it and Back to the Future.
0 likes@Cartoonizando personally my favorite is star wars(the first one)
0 likesThis is your favorite movie? Sheesh, poor you.
0 likesi cant enjoy Wizard of Oz anymore, knowing what goes on behind the scenes. i admire it. but i dont enjoy it.
0 likesCaralhooo
0 likesa mano nem ferrando
0 likesvc por aki?
0 likes@Who Dat Ninja There are a lot of lies about the production of this movie; it was hard work and there were accidents. But there was no abuse, not sexual harassment, no rape, and no drug addiction. I would point out that all the people involved were proud of how the film turned out, and that Judy, Ray, and Margaret especially loved the movie for the rest of their lives.
0 likesThere were no atrocities. Difficulties, yes, discomfort, yes, accidents, yes, but otherwise it was just work.
0 likesLove the “Any Colour You Like” at the end
1 likeDamn so the actor for the wicked witch was on fire and they couldnt even put it out with water or she'd have melted that sucks
0 likesIf only there were a full version of that song at the beginning
0 likes18:23 Damn, they we’re even making Fast and Furious movies back then?!
4 likesMaskedMan66 remains a complete and utter enigma in this comment section, I see.
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unfortunately
3 likesIf you play Dark Side of the Moon while you watch this video, you won't be able to pay attention to both things at once
0 likes🌈🌚
That was probably the best sponsor block I have ever seen on Youtube.
0 likesthat opening bit looks more like the tv screen from 1984 than anything
0 likesI remember watching this movie at my neighbor’s house when I was 8 years old. I never knew the story behind this film, and I’m really glad I can appreciate this film a lot more knowing what the actors went through to produce such a timeless classic.
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In my opinion it's not worth it
11 likesGreat movie or not, permanent maiming and emotional damage is not worth whatever masterpiece someone wants to make.
0 likesThanks, I can't think of this movie in a positive manor anymore
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Well it’s a great movie, but dang, that production was brutal
0 likesthis was really close to getting uploaded on may 3rd. that would've been scarily ironic.
0 likesI remember when I was in 5th grade I was in a Wizard of Oz play, me and my friends were some of the guards
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Did you do the "Oh-Ee-Yah! Eo-Ah!" chant?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 no we were just standing there and not moving or saying anything, and it was just for a couple of seconds and I was all scared and nervous but then when we got on stage and all we had to do was stand I was like wow this is all we dressed up for and made props for and got all stressed about for
1 like@Santi Cheeks Amazing how the nerves just relax once you're out there, isn't it?
0 likesVideo starts at 2:52
0 likesYour transformation over the years is incredible, from YTP, to rants/memes, to now educational, detailed, and well edited videos.
18 likesI love Rusty Cage :D
1 likeHey. The sound at 0:36 is illegal to play just so you know. The FCC has rules against it being used to prevent people from getting used to it.
0 likesWe do not know how the Great Pyramid was built, what the current narrative speculates has yet to be proven especially when it comes to the methods used to manufacture the blocks and the ways and means and which the Blocks were moved, some of them hundreds of miles. not to mention the hidden mathematics in the dimensions of the pyramid relative to the equator and the distance from the equator to the North Pole I just need example of a few facts that are indicative of a civilization more advanced than the Egyptians. More than likely this civilization existed in flourished before the last major catastrophic Extinction event. Furthermore dr. Robertshaw has very credible research and data showing at the Sphinx is probably more like 12, 000 to 25000 years old.
1 likeGreat work on this video.
0 likesIn class, we were discussing how The Truman show predicted the future of actors, but after seeing something like this, it was always the case.
67 likesI'm loving the Nine Inch Nails references. Lol
3 likesBrilliant
0 likesPlease do a similar analysis on the decline of Saturday Night Live, now that’s a video we’re all desperate for!!
I'll always feel bad for Judy Garland and what she went thru in this movie's production.
0 likesThis is also another reason why cgi movies are a thing. Sure it may look like crap, but it's better than having to pay for medical costs, 1 time use costumes, insurance for injuries, and etc.
0 likes12:06 i literally got goosebumps thinking about how asbestos fell from the sky and all over them
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"Mmmm popcorn ceilings" looks at the ceiling of my entire house.
33 likes@AdamofBlastWorks "FUNNY WEATHER WE ARE HAVING"
49 likesThis ain't just regular asbestos, it's ARSENIC-COATED ASBESTOS WITH LEAD PAINT!
40 likesLiterally raining death from above.
22 likesIt’s like that scene in Chernobyl where the crowd reacting to the fallout as if it’s snow.
25 likesHeat suffering
0 likes@Franklin Brooks stopped commenting on PS Vita Neither literally nor figuratively.
0 likesThis is like an SCP that attracts, torments, and kills actors and actresses, their body, mind, and identity in the eyes of the public.
0 likesone thing you didnt mention is how on of the dwarfs killed there self on set and while filming you can see it in the background
0 likesThe movie Garland did underline the monstrosity of the treatment Judy Garland went through during the filming of Wizard of Oz.
0 likesI thought this video was gonna be about the whole dark side of the moon sync up thing at first
0 likesI didn't think it would be dark..and I was swiftly disproven at the fate of the second actor.
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yeah honestly if you like old Hollywood don't look anything up you will be traumatized bye it 90 percent of the kids where owned by the studios and were regularly molested if they spoke out they were forced to site on a ice block for hours it was fucked up
23 likes@Wander 113 Well Hollywood has always been messed up ever since the day it was founded. But within a century of its existence things haven't got any better either.
11 likes@Aleis in Wndrlen I think it at the very least marginally better with people the actors can go to the kids back then had no choice they were literally sold to the studio with no option to talk to any one safety standards has risen and with birth of social media its much harder to get away with the blatant sexual harassments that they had been involved with for years
11 likes@Wander 113 Please use punctuation, I beg of you.
6 likes@Wander 113 My point was that Hollywood is, was, and will always be shady. Even if people are taking child abuse etc more seriously, they always have got something under their sleeves.
0 likesHaving credits at the end of the video is kind of ironic
1 likeLove your choice of bitcrushed Pink Floyd, Emp.
0 likesVideo starts at 2:51
0 likesThis made me not want to watch the movie ever again(If I have them, I'll probably show the movie and this to my future kids)
0 likesVideo Starts at 2:50
0 likesvideo starts at 2:50
0 likesHalf of the stuff used for wizard of oz is illegal now
1 likehey just a heads up i'm subscribed to you and alerted when you drop new content and i didnt even get notified only saw this video cause someone mentioned you mad a video about the actors in the wizard of oz
0 likesUsing Pink Floyd was a very tasty reference, thank you for that
0 likesi love these videos SO MUCH
0 likesThis is INCREDIBLY depressing.
0 likesI really need to stop rewatching this masterpiece
0 likesRemember guys, it’s not about wether your film makes a lot of money or not, it’s about how many rules you can add to the rule book in the process.
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Is a interesting culture
0 likesI swear to god I knew it was bad but I didn‘t expect it to be this bad!
0 likesI love this movie so much, it really sucks it was like this for all these people. especially Judy...why treat a poor kid like that?! really disgusting.
0 likesMy body's poisoned by copper,
1 likeI say this isn't proper,
A circus of confusion.
My face looks like creased paper,
Oh this surely would be safer,
If we only had a Union.
I saw "Wizard of Oz" and "Dark Side" and just assumed this was gonna be about Pink Floyd
0 likesI think the actress for the Wicked Witch of the East got it the worst
121 likesI mean they literally dropped a house onto her just for a couple of scenes
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Brooooo
0 likesi wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened, with a fully furnished gypsum built, 1/2 scale replica of the front half of said house
28 likesMore like the actor for Dorothy :/ sucked into a tornado? Thats dedication!
13 likesThat's why Gone with the Wind (1939) became more successful than this film.
1 likeEmplemon's in Florida?! Time to endlessly hunt him down until I find him
1 likeAs a non-american person i never watched this movie before (even if i watched Return to Oz as a kid many times) and now i never will...because now i can't separate this horrible unhuman torture from it... Honestly all smiley overly positive things from that era have some sort of a terrible story behind them.
0 likesThey say you can be Any Colour You Like but in the end they’re all just blue
1 likeWhen you look at the decline in modern cinema, wrestling, and NASCAR (all of which you've addressed), one could conclude that the horrific sacrifices propelled each of them to immortality. I don't know how we can possibily justify this as a species, and yet this is what we respond to. Courting death makes us feel alive.
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Greatness usually comes at a cost. It's a sad reality.
19 likesLife is dangerous. Nobody working on this movie was deliberately "courting death." It's just that accidents happened, as they do everywhere every day.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Getting 2nd Degree burns and being intoxicated with toxic materials and drugs doesn't sound like a "normal" accident
8 likes@Alexandre Santos Burns are absolutely normal; people get them every day. Intoxication means drunkenness. Nobody was drugged.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 wrong
1 likeI’m also pretty sure they had judy smoke packs of cigarettes a day just to keep her weight down
0 likessuper funny sponsorship, one of the best i've seen next to mah dry bread.
1 like2:51
0 likesThe real start of the video.
Originally Shirley Temple was going to be the star playing dorothy but what happened was the head boss got pissed off after flashing his pecker at Shirley but she laughed thinking it was funny since his pants were down he told her to get out and then in comes judy and well the rest is history.
0 likesIt pains my heart that these actresses and actors went through so much hell behind the scenes but massive respect to them i just wish there were better ways to be honest but greed outweighs logic in the end.
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@Samuel Aviles 12
0 likesAs someone who literally grew up watching "The Making Ofs" of old movie like The Wizard of Oz. It cool to see other people my age having intrest in that era of Hollywood.
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For sure
1 likeEven when it’s a horror story like this?
0 likesRemember that rumor that you could see a Munchkin actor hanging himself in the background of one shot? It's claimed to be fake but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were true.
0 likesA whole lot of pity shown for celebrities that made a while lot more money than everyone else at the time and they too got poisoned by lead, copper and other crap.
1 likeWhile the video itself is interesting, I've found myself completely infatuated with the man in this comment section whos dying on mgm hill with the boot still stuck in his esophagus. Props to you dude.
3 likesyou, weird little man.
smashed the like button when that kickass shot of greenscreen city popped up at 1:10
1 like"We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life. But at the very least art can get us pretty damn close" -empLemon
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Indeed.
0 likesyou're my favorite youtube guy.
0 likesI really enjoyed the hanging Munchkin theory, good times.
0 likes1st Margaret Hamilton used greenish copper makeup for her Wicked Witch costume. The copper makeup would have Hamilton a a health issue later in her life with her being diagnosed with Alzheimer disease which was caused from her copper poisoning. 2nd Judy Garland’s was harassed by the Munchkins
0 likesvery powerful video, thank you
0 likesAs an artist who fears not death, but being forgotten, your words and analysis cut deep. Thanks for putting it to words.
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You will be forgotten eventually. Take care of your health as long as you live
3 likes@Marta Leja Unless he isn't.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 he will. Because even if his art exists longer that he does, everything will be gone without a trace in a few million years and no one will ever know we existed. So i the long run, nothing really matters, expect the present time
0 likes@Marta Leja You're assuming that the world as we think of it will still be here in "a few million years." And obviously I wasn't talking about "a few million years," I was talking about as long as there are people to remember works of art and those who created them.
0 likesI'll clue you into something: all times matter because all people-- past, present, and future-- matter.
@MaskedMan66 yeah, and as soon as humankind dies, no one will ever remeber the art nor the artist. So why wouldn't you rather care for yourself in the present instead of creating something at the risk of your health that will be forgotten sooner or later anyway?
2 likes@Marta Leja No, I'd rather be remembered as long as there are people to remember me.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 everyone feels different about it. If it makes you happy :) Just dont neglect your health!
2 likes@Marta Leja I get the sneaking suspicion that you're trolling.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 wth why? Its just how i see things
1 likeNo one knows who you are now. Don’t think anybody can forget you if they don’t know you in the first place so you’re good.
0 likesWhy people wanna cancel Dave Chappelle but not The Wizard of Oz?
1 like"Gradually, I began to hate them."
1 likeBack then there were no actor unions and actors had basically no rights. Death and injury were common and actors were easily replaceable due to the depression and how desperate everyone was for money.
0 likesMy sister made me watch this thanks for running my childhood
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Do some research and you'll find that a lot of the info in this video is either exaggerated or untrue. Read these books for the true story: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesMost importantly, remember that Judy Garland loved this movie for the rest of her life.
I’m glad my dude Macaulay Culkin is doing better these days. He’s even collabed with the legendary Rich Evans of Ellen fame! Now if that isn’t a comeback, I don’t know what is. In all seriousness though, it seems like he’s doing so much better.
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@zyzdzy yeah, hes turned his life around and is married too
33 likes@crob i know, i was just referencing his role as a hobbo in its always sunny
15 likesIt's neat to see Mr. MacCulkin doing well in life with those drunk Wisconsonites.
19 likes@Jampersand I understood that reference.
0 likes@zyzdzy he wasn't acting
1 likeYeah when I heard he and Brenda Song were having a kid, I just smiled. That man deserves to be happy after all the shit he's been through.
19 likes@Calvin_Coolage What happened to him?
1 likeIIRC he was never nearly as much of a mess as the tabloids made out...
5 likesdidnt mac go on the JRE too? i cant recall if he did
0 likes@Lord Habitaxe of Prydonia he was also in an avgn episode around december or something
4 likes@Jupiter AHH yeah I remember that. The JRE one I mentioned I'm not sure if it was legit or I'm suffering some Mandela effect bullshit
0 likesI’m glad Macaulay Culkin is doing really good. When I saw him on Joe Rogan it’s clear that now he’s just living his life the way he wants to and does want to act but with projects that he’s happy with
0 likesHell yeah I subtly noticed the song “any color you like” during the pyramids segment, a great little callback to dark side of the moon and the title of this great video
0 likesThe wizard of oz is brilliant, but hot take: Singin' in the Rain is a better musical.
0 likesWell, it couldn't possibly get any worse.
1 likecue asbestos snowfall
edit: cue lifelong drug addiction
You should do a dissertation on Aqua Teen. We all know there will never ever be another show like it.
0 likesPlus you keep using the aqua tv show show beat.
i can't believe that whole opening thing was an ad for Keeps. THIS is the level of creativity needed to make people sit through ads. Absolute genius!!!! Emperor LEmon!
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Indeed!
0 likesAre we also going to discuss the representation of British imperialism and industrialization as the reason for this ancient film?
0 likesAnd kids this is why we need to be grateful of new live action movies even if they suck
0 likesAny color you like as an ode to the dark side of oz at the end was a nice touch
0 likesGreat video, but the 8-bit Any Color You Like at the end was the cherry on top
0 likesIt's amazing that Emp can pretty much always top himself with the perspectives and storytelling in his work
8 likesThe video starts at 2:52.
0 likesHearing about Judy Garlands story actually made cry
0 likesI’ve always gotten a bad vibe from that movie but dang it’s worse than I thought
0 likesI figured out you didn't know anything at all when you called the men who built the pyramids "volunteers" 🤣 you meant slaves
0 likes17:10 Contrary to common belief, Al Jolson was actually known to fight racial discrimination. Although he did blackface, he had no malicious intent. For him, it was just a form of performance. I am not condoning blackface, as it definitely has racist connotations. I just hope to clear Al Jolson's name. He's no saint, but at least he's not a racist.
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That's it thats the comment.
1 likeNor's Ben Vereeen, and he also did a blackface routine in the 1980's.
0 likes>>>"at least he's not a racist."
0 likeslame woke excuse.
@_*ZAPATOZ*_ How is it either lame or woke?
3 likes@MaskedMan66 how is it not?
0 likes@_*ZAPATOZ*_ You tell me.
0 likesIt'd be nice if you did a parallel vid related to Trout Mask Replica and Captain Beefheart. A similar story about abuse to produce a masterpiece.
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There was no abuse in Wizard , just hard work.
0 likesNOT A Fan Of "Swanee River"
1 likeOR "Mammy" I See? MGM
MADE Judy Garland. She Was
Merely Francis Gumm Prior
To THEIR Involvement. So
It's Not Like She Had MANY
Options Outside Of Plainess.
you opened my eyes thank you
0 likesI'll never look at that movie the same again. I could've gone my whole life not knowing that history, but I'm glad I did learn it. It was interesting, horrifying, and absolutely shocking. Nice video!
3 likesWow if you think about it Ray Bolger was probably the most comfortable of them all.
0 likesthis fucked me up man. The Judy Garland part made me take off my shirt cuz my whole body started getting hives goddamn. Good vid
0 likesPerfect conclusion I would say.
0 likesGotta love the studio system
0 likesMan the lion must’ve been RIPPED by the end.
0 likesLove the Dark Side outro ;)
0 likes8:23 the first Pete Best reference I've heard. Instantly subscribed❤
1 likeGets engulfed in a fucking fireball and gets her skin scorched off but still returns to set to finish the film
0 likes"Okcool you're back go do this scene with explosives bye."
I just got my second Covid vaccine, and have been feeling like shit. This is exactly what I needed. Thanks, Emp. I appreciate it.
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my first here, but same situation
2 likesGot my first one the day before yesterday. I was getting close to feeling that dying maybe was preferable, but I think it still was worth it.
0 likesi spent the first minute and a half going "that guy looks like rusty cage" and then suddenly It clicked "THAT IS RUSTY CAGE"
0 likes1:49 💀💀💀 Holy Shit! Employment just took this guys life💀💀💀
0 likesNice vid love your content
1 likeWhat do these things all have in common? It's a mystery.
0 likesWords cannot express how I feel about this video. Its absolutely incredible. Its amazing the impact the film had on cinema. Its frightening how this reflects on Hollywood today. Well done EmperorLemon!
8 likesThe only reason I feel uncomfortable watching this movie is because Now I know what went on behind the scenes which is why I don't wanna become an actor because you never know what really goes on behind the scenes
0 likesAt least it was good, imagine if it was a flop and all that pain was for nothing.
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There have been hundreds of cases of that. Actors know it's part of showbiz.
0 likesPeople are still surprised that this happens in Hollywood? 😂 wtf you been last couple years
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I'm just waiting for this to be revealed to be about Q 😂
0 likesThat is by far the best ad I’ve ever seen
0 likesIt feels like suffering and art are always together
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yep. the price of art has decreased
5 likes"Squidward, i think im suffering from my art now"
4 likesThat wrap up was epic
0 likesI'm glad that I heard this.
0 likesAt least the Wizard of Oz, 1982 was much better and 2013's Oz the Great and Powerful was a great reboot.
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1982?
0 likesI thought the title said “the wizard of Oz is the Dark Souls of Hollywood”
0 likesI love Emplemon. He can talk about anything and get me completely invested in it.
26 likesWhen I heard hair I immediately knew keeps sponsored him
0 likesI love a good ad read 😂
0 likesI'm a little disappointed you didn't reference the guards doing the "oh we oh, we oh oh" song and dance from the simpsons. I swear the simpsons is the american jojo, it has pervaded through everything humanity has ever created.
0 likesR.I.P Judy Garland, she didn't deserve to die the way she did, she deserved happiness but didn't get it, a true tragedy.
0 likesI find it truly incredible that a channel originally known for YouTube Poops is creating some of the most genuinely poignant, insightful and thought-provoking content on this platform that also coves such a diverse range of topics in the most engaging way. Bravo to you always EmpLemon!
5 likesMcully culkin had lime disease bro, he did drugs for a very short period of time, but when he looked like a crackhead he wasnt on drugs, he was ill
1 like"Goodbye yellow brick road, where the dogs of society howl."
0 likesThat 8-bit Any Colour You Like is amazing.
0 likesWow Pedowood would do this?! I caaan’t believe it.
3 likesAn intresting quote I heard from one of my philosophy teachers in school.
61 likes"Art is testament of the obsession of man to reach immortality!"
Unfortently I don't know were it is from.
Judy Garland:
0 likesMGM: oh shit we broke it
Emplemon posts a new video
0 likesMe, grabs a popcorn and waits for movie night
How much should you get paid to endure this and show up for the next day
0 likesGotta give you props I am really digging the new content. But when are you going to make Frying Dory?
0 likesI feel bad for everyone on set but man poor Judy :( I never knew enough about her to know her life story was that sad. I guess that says a lot about the character versus the actor. Generally everyone remembers the character more than the actor. At least there is one bright note. I can only imagine how her character alongside all the others brought much needed joy and escapism to countless kids living in the post Great-depression-WWII era.
16 likesI wouldn't say Judy Garland is forgotten, but yeah.... Couldn't tell you who the other people were played by even having just watched the video.
1 likeI read the title as “The wizard of Oz is the Dark souls of Hollywood”
0 likesI played Scarecrow, one of my best friends played the Tin Man
0 likesshenanigans ensued
18:55 I feel like Star Wars would be more recognized by now
0 likesI don't believe that you can say that Judy Garlands struggle was forgotten, not only with the release of Zellweger's Judy but she's still a very recognizable figure.
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Forgotten may have not been the right word to use, but he’s certainly correct about the legacy of the fictional character Garland played has certainly surpassed her own in terms of how well known it is, which is pretty sad.
5 likesThat being said, I don’t agree that the art always outlasts the artists, although with actors that may be the case. With directors though it certainly isn’t, as people like Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Tarantino are considered all time greats by people who’ve probably only seen a couple of their movies max.
I hope rusty can regrow his hair
0 likesWhat happened?
1 likewe made one of the best movies ever
what did it cost?
everything.
What are the chances the first green man in history to scale the highest peak in Fla would also be a world famous YouTube man? The odds are mind-boggling. Leonardo Davinci over here.
0 likesNot revealing your hand until the very end was smart.
0 likesJudy Garland was stunningly beautiful and it's heartbreaking that that wasn't enough for them.
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She was kinda fat in that photo. And she didn't look very starved at all in the film. I guess women don't lose fat very easily, and they're specifically given much smaller rations in bootcamp to make them lose weight I'm told.
0 likes@Odin Sørensen women can’t lose fat easily due to biology (pregnancy and the like)
4 likes@Odin Sørensen It wasn't her weight as much as it was her curves; she was a teenager with a mature figure (for all that she was 4'11"), and by a combination of reduced food intake, exercise with her stunt double, and innovative costuming, they would be able to make her appear as a prepubescent, and they certainly succeeded. People who met her after seeing the movie were shocked to behold a sophisticated young woman. As she put it in an interview not long after the movie had been out for a while, "They expect someone in gingham, with braids, to come out singing 'Over the Rainbow.'”
0 likesMovie studios had very narrow ideas of beauty, according to which Judy's eyes were too far apart, her nose was too snubby, and her teeth needed fixing. On that last point, she did have a gap in them, but she had that taken care of.
0 likesThere is no dark side of Hollywood, really. Matter of fact it's all dark.
2 likesThis is some final destination shit. How did all this crazy stuff happen in one studio.
0 likesYou should talk about toy story 2 production that would be a great video
0 likesyou think the asbestos in the snow is bad here, look at the gold rush by chaplin. pretty much everyone on set got cancer after the blizzard scenes
0 likesThere will never be another movie like “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” ever again. Please do this one!!!
15 likesHow could he leave out the most notorious abuse of the dwarves in the movie. The suicide etc.?!
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Idk about the rest of it
0 likesCoulda done without the first 2:50 minutes but otherwise cool vid 👍
0 likesI've always hated this movie. It just seemed uncanny to me. Looks like there was some validity to my instinct.
0 likesWhy is no one talking about such a great intro?
0 likesthere will NEVER EVER be another classic film like it
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The Lord of the Rings would like a word with The Wizard of Oz if we wanna talk about the dedication and scale of the production...
8 likesthis movie is dark like seeing the dark side of the moon.
0 likesJudy Garland deserved so much better. Rest in peace.
1 likeit nice to know hollywood hasn't change it bad conditions.
0 likes15:02 First picture is of a young Drew Barrymore, who is very much alive.
0 likesThat lion is the worst fursuit I've ever heard of!
0 likesending with dark side of the moon huh. nice touch
0 likesThere was a on set legend about the hanging munchkin
0 likesPlease tell me where you got the "stupid sonova" sound clip from! I had the toy that made that and have been lookong for at least the sounds lol
0 likesthe first two minutes basically explained why I got 2 unskippable ads even after refreshing the page.
0 likeswow unregulated capitalism is fuckin hell huh
2 likesApparently corsets aren't that bad, at least that's what all the Victorian clothing enthusiasts on Youtube will come out of the woodwork to tell you
0 likesI also heard that one of the drawfs killed himself on set cause of harsh treatment
0 likesI’d highly recommend everyone interested in going deeper into behind the scenes events of Hollywood to watch Life After Pi. It’s a documentary about the CGI team behind Life of Pi and all the shit they went through.
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Didn't the Oscar-winning team of animators who worked on Life of Pi get laid off right after production finished, only to be unable to get re-hired because of an "anti-poaching" agreement among the major Hollywood studios?
24 likes@Discount Chocolate yyyeeep. The got cut by the jaws theme during their Oscar acceptance speech trying to say something about it.
20 likes@OrangeSlushy Some truly vile bastards. The industry leveraged their oligopolistic power - the same power the SCOTUS tried to break up in the late 1940s! - to put these newly-unemployed animators on a de-facto blacklist, and then had the gall to say "you did an excellent job, now shut up and go away so we can swim in this pile of cash you made us in peace".
14 likesIf Hollywood CGI and cartoon animators so chose, I would put my full support behind an industry-wide animators' strike comparable to the 2007 writers' strike, after hearing about this travesty. If studios are going to act with impunity, subjecting workers to crunch only to destroy their jobs when a project is finished, those workers might as well band together to make ambitious or "unreasonable"-sounding demands like some semblance of job security, high-enough salaries to afford the absurdly high living costs in California, healthcare/benefits, the works.
Yo I literally just finished reading the book version of that story in English class
1 like@Discount Chocolate how do they strike when they're fired
0 likessurprised maskedman hasn't tainted this thread yet
8 likes@acacia same, that dude is relentless
1 like19:43 I see and hear what you did there
0 likesYou skipped the part about Judy being molested by the producers.
1 likeA darkside? More like a hellside .
0 likesDid you put at the end Any Colour You Like 8bit edition at the end?
0 likesthats fucking smart
Tragic as hell. I'm really sorry for Judy Garland. On a happier note I'm glad Macaulay Culkin is doing better now with Brenda Song and their child
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Not tragic at all; everyone emerged from that movie alive and well, or at least, in Miss Hamilton's case, healing. They loved how it turned out, and Judy's real problems had yet to begin.
0 likesVideo Suggestion : Vinesauce.
1 likeI just think that Vinesauce has such a vast history that a video about it would be real cool.
okay that was an insane amount of effort just for a sponsor segment
0 likesEmplemon was the right person to make this video. It’s too sad to be a Critical Drinker episode of production hell
0 likesIf they tried to pull this shit today, the hate would most certainly overpower the actual production.
0 likes"And did you get what you wanted from this life, even so?"
86 likes"I did."
"And what did you want?"
"To call myself beloved, to feel myself beloved on the Earth."
-Raymond Carver
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Birdman!
3 likesA scene of Icarus with burning wings. So Metal! or it could be just a meteor... i forgot some details bout Birdman tho
3 likesTrying to make your ad funny doesn't excuse it being that long, but I did appreciate the creativity
0 likesJesus if that happened I’d just be like screw yall im outta here
0 likesI knew that people could be absolutely terrible, but this was just surprising.
0 likesHuh, I kind of wish I didn't come to learn of this
0 likesMy wife grew up in Turkey and had never heard of this movie before I showed it to her as an adult. We think of our pop culture as ubiquitous to the rest of the world, yet most of the human population hasn't had our same English speaking cultural experiences.
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Oh yeah, and she and her sister absolutely loved it.
5 likesCan confirm, am portuguese, never seen this movie. Though i recognise this characters from some Phineas and Ferb episode
6 likes@Pimentel _ brazilian here, and i remember being shown this movie in preschool. i even played espantalho (already forgot the translation and i dont care looking it up) in a play that year
0 likes@André Camarão Scarecrow?
0 likes@André Camarão Scarecrow?
0 likesAt the same time tho, there are plenty of characters/films that transcend language barriers. Usually it's animation because it's a mostly visual medium, and dubbing animation is a far cleaner process than dubbing film. That's why Disney and Warner took over the world while MGM went bankrupt. So I guess Snow White won in the end XD
3 likesYou guys may not have seen this, but I doubt you hadn't at least heard of Mickey Mouse and/or Bugs Bunny or even just seen merch.
I am from South America and altough i already heard the story of the Wizard of Oz i barely knew anything at all when it comes to the movie
0 likesOh I thought this was about how no people of color appeared in the movie lol. But yea it sucked for all the people even allowed to be in it.
0 likesBit reductive to talk about Alzheimer's, then go on to say that most ailments can be temporary, and then talk about mental health.
0 likesAll everyone talked about in the 90's was the stupid bird in the forest scene that looks like someone swinging from a rope at one point.
0 likesNever any of this.
Film is not the pyramids of Giza. Film can barely even be considered art next to traditional forms of art. What kind of a moron do you need to be to think it's worthy of personal sacrifice?
0 likesThis story only makes this film have less value, not more. These actors weren't true volunteers, and the sacrifice thrust upon them was in total vain. They were exploited by a corporation to make a consumer product for the lowest common denominator of society at the time, they are on par with porn photographers and paparazzi.
(and seemingly a lot of it was made on the authority of the scientific community declaring random chemicals to be safe whenever they please)
Just goes to show that every single time you pay for content you are doing something evil. Objectively. Every time you pay for content some kid gets toxic chemicals smeared all over his face or gets addicted to hard drugs. Pirate everything and be sure to seed.
This is the perfect example of the quote ”we won, but at what cost?”
13 likesArt can make someone immortal... Tell that to Adolf who burned some of the world's greatest art because he fail out of art school (and he felt they had Jewish influence.)
0 likesSo close to the discussion of "dark sides of Hollywood" and "immortality", but never talking about adrenochrome. The video feels incomplete.
0 likesActors sacrifice their souls all the time for fleeting fame. Priorities out of wack.
0 likes9:45
0 likesthey were normal
Until they took up wizard of Oz
Hey Emp, ive been watching your videos since Hank Hill's Airport Apocalypse and I can't believe its been 7 years already. Thanks for the interesting content for all these years!
3 likesYou also forgot to mention Judy garland getting molested by several men including some of the munchikins while filming the wizard of oz
0 likesthis outro of this video gave me chills
0 likesI've always felt like this movie has some bad vibes, and maybe this is why O_o...
0 likesThey should've just animated this movie.
0 likesI haven’t seen this movie, but I don’t know if I can now. Knowing what happened to this people would fill me with dread each time I saw their personas on screen.
9 likesI know you've moved on to other things to but woud you reupload your old YouTube poops like "SpongeBob beats his snail performance enhancing drugs"? They are some of the finest videos I have ever seen on this website lol
0 likesqq, lessons have to be learned.
0 likesGive a child speed and downers and their the problem once they become addicted. It’s crazy how this is still happening today. Macauly look like Bieber! It’s so sad how these execs treat these supposed stars. Keep your kids away from Disney, Nickelodeon, Sesame Street , and Hollywood
0 likesGreat video. You didn't need the bit at the beginning or at the end though. You could have stuck with the straight documentary.
0 likesEmp's just in a constant upward spiral at this point
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honestly I think the spiral is now moving through interdimensional space
0 likesor an outward one
0 likesthe spiral is constantly moving in both directions
0 likesWhen you hit the bottom only one way remains upward
0 likesI don't know if I'd rather be working on that set or starving in the middle of Nowhere, Kansas or perhaps enslaved in Angband. Probably enslaved in Angband. It doesn't snow asbestos in Angband.
0 likesthe pyramids of giza are so big in person they are like man made mountains.
0 likesOne of my favorites
0 likesThe 8-bit any color you like outro was a nice touch I like it
0 likesHoly f word that last part there really confused me but also amazed me some 200iq stuff right there
0 likesIsn’t it weird that I have never watched the wizard of oz?
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No as I never watched or read it too
0 likesIntro alone got an immediate 👍🏾 😆
0 likesI died at J. Jonah Jameson Mervin LeRoy Hospital calls, tooo good!
0 likesDear God. I knew about the Tin Man makeup but nothing else. It sounds like hell on Earth.
0 likes"As well as a TWO inch deep gash on her leg" *than shows a pic of a 8 inch LONG cut 😁oh u thought u got away with that one
0 likesWhen I first saw the title I thought it was about the movie and how it mixxed with the Pink Floyd album
0 likesTalking about MGM, Shirley temple was even worse
0 likesMy mother fucking adores this film. This'll be interesting.
46 likesGenerally when you think of Hollywood people might think "Acting, how hard can it be." Pff. Buddy. This shit gives under sea welders a run for their money. Anybody remember The Abyss?
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I've never heard this phrase. I like it.
0 likes@Ethan Weegee giving someone "a run for their money?"
0 likesBecause yeah, it's a good one haha.
@Raptyrn About under sea welders, yeah.
0 likesGod bless the feature character
0 likesVideo starts at 3 minutes
0 likes3 minutes to get to the reason I clicked on the video. Come on now.
0 likesSuper good and informative video though. Narration sounds a little like Burger King Foot Lettuce but it's not too bad.
>Egyptian pyramids are shown with a rainbow in the background
1 like>Any Color You Like 8-bit plays in the background
You think you're so slick. lol
Reminds me of this saying "Every regulation is written in blood."
108 likesThat intro has some heavy SCP vibes
0 likesNot to mention what the munchkins allegedly did to Judy...
1 likeWell done video
1 like10:15 they could have at least put a layer of grease paint over Hamilton's face first
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The make-up was greasepaint. The copper was what made it green.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 oh.
1 like@Rob Quin The twenty or thirty men who played the Winkies wore the same formulation, as well as the same style of prosthetic noses, and while they didn't have nearly the problem she had, one of them was drinking a cup of hot tea one time, and his wife suddenly alerted him to the fact that his nose was melting!
0 likesI’m astonished that not one mention of the conditions faced by the little people actors was noted. I expected that to be the whole video actually
9 likesIt was the 1930’s, what did you expect?
0 likesemp: death, starvation, poverty
1 likemusic: teehee funny animal crossing plink plonk
Poor actors and actresses they had to go through that. The peoples mental heath is more inportant than the movie
0 likesNo wonder the Munchkin hung it self on set.
1 likeLion Suit 45KG
0 likesHaruno Nakajima while playing Godzilla in the 1954 Godzilla movie: Hold my beer
1954 Godzilla Suit - 100KG, suit made out of a mix of concrete
Nobody mentioned that the fact that a munchkin killed itself on set and is visible inbetween two trees in one scene.
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That's just a rumor
0 likesI thought it was debunked and that was actually a crowned crane from the L.A. zoo flapping it's wings.
0 likesPopularity and sacrifice are the two sides of the coin that many people are willing to hold dearly.
0 likesHowever, one has to wonder, is it worth copper poisoning for?
I want to hug Judy so badly
0 likesThis video felt much darker than your others I love it.
6 likesIsn't the weather alert screeching noise illegal to use?
0 likesAs they say say. True Art is suffering
0 likesAll I could think was he has the same shower curtains than me
0 likesOk all the stuff that happened to judy seriously makes me angry
0 likesIt's insane how good you are at stark and memorable imagery that sticks in my mind. You're amazing at making me think about your video for days after I've seen it. One of the stranger forms of high art out there for sure. Good shit
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Not good, but definitely...
0 likesOk this is depressing....I'm gonna go watch cartoons
0 likesThe work on the piramids was stational, a good portion of the year the farm lands where flooded and thats wen they build the piramids
0 likesTo make things worse, Garland would be sexually harassed by the actors who played the Munchkins.
0 likesPoor girl. 😥
Hamilton was also the only costar who treated Judy nice.
0 likesOld school actors went hard, three stooges broke more bones than anyone.
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I still remember the story where the Stooges were filming "Pardon My Scotch". In one scene Curly had sawed a table in half. Moe took one step and fell on his side! He then slowly stood up, slapped Larry and Curly then passed out! He was taken to the hospital where it was discovered that he had cracked three ribs when he fell!
26 likes@Melissa Cooper I've heard that story. Moe, like a lot of old-timers, was a true professional, and a very tough person. He and Margaret Hamilton were cut from the same cloth.
12 likesBikers and race drivers were the only ones who could break as many bones as they can...unfortunately having a way higher death rate
2 likes@British F type gr3 Do you remember Eval Knievel?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 yes
1 likeSilent film comedian Buster Keaton once fractured his neck doing a stunt in one of his movies and didn't realize he'd done so until decades later when a doctor discovered the tell-tale signs of a healed fracture when Keaton had gone in to have X-rays done.
5 likes@Obsolete 😲
1 likethis is so disheartening once again money hungry people are exploiting
0 likesLoving the joe on a boat t shirt
0 likesThe keeps ad ends at 2:52
0 likesRewatched some Jon boos recently and then this. Fire
2 likesI dig the 8-bit Floyd at the end
0 likesDon't look up the Early Life section of all the execs they named, worst mistake of my life!
1 like13:33 She was 16 at the time of filming.
0 likesa great doc, and a surprisingly great MIDI of Any Colour You Like?
0 likesThe outro is perfection set to an 8-Bit version of Pink Floyd's "Any Colour you Like" and especially with the connections people have made between Wizard of Oz and Dark Side. Extra attention to detail, Emp, that's what makes me keep coming back for your videos.
3 likesIs there a reason why EmpLemon's comment sections are about as awful as the stuff that happened behind the scenes in this film?
3 likesDark side of Hollywood? I prefer the Blart side of Hollywood.
1 likeEveryone in the comments gangster until MaskedMan66 owns you with facts and logic about how production abuse isn’t real
0 likesI hate hearing the stories of this movies awful production, because it shows how shitty Hollywood can treat its actors and get away with it seemingly
0 likesAt 19:44, Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd starts playing. This is a song from Dark Side of the Moon. The still image shows 2 things, a rainbow and pyramids. Promotional material for Dark side of the Moon contains both pyramids and rainbows. There's a common urban legend that playing Dark Side of the Moon alongside The Wizard Oz will create a perfect sync (Often named "Dark Side of the Rainbow"). Either this was intentional and quite subtle or that's a crazy coincidence.
15 likesThis is the light dark side of Hollywood
0 likesthank god for regulations and cgi
1 likeThe Muppet version is much more accurate
0 likesSo basically the makeup guy was a psychopath.
0 likesAll I know is that the actress who played Dorothy was on a strict diet of black coffee and 80 cigarettes a day to look the way she did. Also some kind of soup if I remember clearly…
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You don't know that her name is Judy Garland fr?
18 likes@Kyle Crockett I’ve only seen the film once when I was young and didn’t think much about it until watching this video.
22 likesBoby image issues is sadly a thing a lot of actors and actresses still have to go through to this day. Hollywood has been really toxic about pressuring people about how they look.
30 likesI remember I read something some where that the actress who played Cinderella in the live action Disney remake was forced to
eat really small portions of food and had to do extreme exercise for 2 week just so she could fit into the one blue dress. She was already thin too so I don't understand why they couldn't have got a dress a little bit bigger for her.
Can we throw Hollywood and all bad people out of a window? Mob Justice time?
7 likes@Mary Moon if I’m remembering correctly, Hugh Jackman had to dehydrate himself for over two days before each shirtless scene in a lot of the Wolverine movies to look as shredded as he did, and went to the hospital multiple times because of it. Hollywood is actually evil when it comes to beauty standards for actors
13 likes@Fort Beauty standards in general tend to become ridiculously strict damn near always. America, Japan and Korea are probably some of the biggest examples. Then theres contractual purity, which is another matter entirely
8 likesI knew it was bad, but didn’t know it was that bad.
0 likesFantastic video man
1 likeThis play sacrificed A LOT
1 like"the dark side of *insert thing here*" this title has lost all meaning really because its so overused, people should just start being ironic about it
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Regardless of how genuinely clichéd that is, I’m pretty sure the title is in direct reference to the “Dark Side of the Rainbow,” which refers to the apparent (although mostly coincidental) synchronicity between Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon and The Wizard of Oz. So, in this case, the title doubles as a reference to a well known phenomena related to the movie as well as a statement on how corrupt and terrible the experience was for everybody involved. And beyond that, it gives Emp an excuse to use more prog rock in his videos lol
2 likes@Former CT Governor Dannel Malloy i dont think the dark side of wizard of oz coined the term dark side people have been saying things have a dark side before wizard of oz even existed but are you talking about how "the dark side" is a trend on youtube and it started with "the dark side of wizard of oz"?
0 likes@atnip no, I think you misunderstand what I’m getting at. I’m not suggesting that WoO coined the phrase “dark side.” Like you said, that phrase has existed in the English language for a while, so much so that, again to your point, it’s become clichéd to make reference to it in an unironic fashion.
2 likesI’m saying that, in this one particular instance, there is a real world phenomena which many people today know about which is commonly referred to as the “Dark Side of the Rainbow” effect; which is basically that, if you start Pink Floyd’s album Dark Side of the Moon at the same time as The Wizard of Oz and play them simultaneously, the lyrics of the album coincidentally line up literally and thematically with what is transpiring in the movie. In reality, this can be done with Dark Side of the Moon and a litany of other films. Regardless of how interesting or profound that synchronicity actually is, many people associate Wizard of Oz with the phrase “dark side” because of this well known effect that gets shared around by stoners and people on the internet.
So, for a specific case like this video, the choice to use the phrase “dark side” is not as egregiously clichéd as most other instances in which you’ll see it, since that mental connection already exists for a lot of people. Emp, being a massive fan of progressive/alternative rock (including Floyd), is likely aware of the Dark Side of the Rainbow Effect and chose this title to specifically reference it, which would furthermore give him an additional reason to incorporate more Pink Floyd instrumentals in his videos which he has quite a few times before (and to be clear he DOES use some Dark Side of the Moon music in this video, so I don’t think I’m necessarily reaching with that).
Hope this helped clear up what I meant
Tying the Egyptians building the pyramids and sacrificing themselves for something greater was a dope touch
23 likes2500 feet LOL I'm using that now! I also like to use 20 foot clown pole.
0 likesI heard that "any colour you like" sample. Very nice.
0 likesThat MIDI Pink Floyd hits different
0 likesThat Egyptian ending fucked. me. up. Good god
0 likes“Why should their pain produce such marvelous beauty?" he wonders. "Or is all beauty created through pain? Is that the secret of great art, both human and Melnibonen?”
67 likes― Elric of Melniboné
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also:
0 likes--- Marquis de Sade, (probably)
Telling the truths
0 likesDamn, Judy is like Sarah Lynn from Bojack Horseman
0 likesgreat video!
0 likesI actually never watched or read wizard of oz
1 like2:52 if you wanna skip the intro
0 likesThis may be your best downward spiral yet, Emp. The way the stories were organized in ascending levels horrific was perfect. S-tier youtube video!
5 likes(That said, you should have mentioned how Judie Garland was sexually assaulted by the munchkins)
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Her name was Judy, not "Judie," and she was not secually assaulted by anybody, least of all people she could have easily kicked aside.
0 likesIt makes the suicidal trolls seem real.
0 likesIsn’t asbestus.. mold? They used MOLD for SNOW and COATED THE ACTORS IN IT???
0 likes“You’re going to Hollywood”
1 likePlease make another SpongeBob YTP
0 likesI need you to understand that every minute of this video was realizing that the pit of despair kept going, and you're just one level deeper.
33 likesThere is no dark side of hollywood, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark.
0 likeswheezing from metallic paint allergies
0 likesThis video had to come up when I had to sleep. Damn intro spooked me.
0 likesJudy Garland is basically if nobody helped Brian Wilson.
0 likesYou might think the moral of the story is: "union good", but I think the real moral is don't be afraid to walk out and find a different job. Bullies will continue to bully as long as you put up with it.
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Except at the time none of the actors could sue because no other studio would take them after that, hereby cutting their career short so directors and producers could get away with anything. At least now actors have more of a say on how they are treated in a studio as well as an option to walk away without reprecussions on their career.
8 likes20:17 I thought you were gonna mention Graham Hancock or John Anthony West
0 likesYou put in sweat blood in tears into these movies but not like this
0 likesIs that a synth version of dark side of the moon playing in the baackground of the piramid segment.
0 likesGarland was one classy, beautiful, talented lady. RIP Judy...
1 likeReturn was better tho
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It was more accurately Ozzy, to be sure, but you're really talking apples and oranges.
0 likes@MaskedMan66. It is. But Oz is Oz. And Return is fuckin freaky and really hits my buttons. But it's all subjective either way. Really want to try one of those lunch pails that grow on the trees.
0 likesBroo even the dog got hurt 😭
0 likesI was literally just thinking about the wizard of oz and then boom emp video about it
0 likesthe production is an absolute nightmare
0 likesAd ends at 2:52
0 likesi love use of the pink floyd song at the end
0 likesdo you know the darkside of oz they put darkside of the moon over the movie and remove the original audio
0 likesThis is Hollywood, where's the bright side?
0 likesIts weird seeing rusty cage in this video
1 likeMan theres no way I could make something as well crafted an thoughtout as this. Very nice, 10/10
3 likeslittle dark side of the rainbow at the end there, very nice
0 likesAnd now there's only 4 munchkins from this movie left in existence,.
0 likesWhere did you get the audio at 3:38?
0 likesI didn’t even know you were still
1 likeMaking videos? I’ve been subbed forever but haven’t seen anything of yours pop up in my sub box or recommended in I don’t even know how long?
Surprised you didn't mention that the actors who played the Munchkins were paid less than the dog
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I mean, I get that this isn't the main issue, but why feel the need to pay a dog, which doesn't really understand or care about money, just give the thing some treats and it'd be happy.
4 likesWhy would you pay the dog in the first place? Dogs don't use money you pay them in treats.
4 likes2:00 how did he times it right xd
0 likesThe hanging dwarf in the background when they start walking the yellow brick road… y’all remember that? Idk if he said sum about it yet I’m only 4 min in to the vid
1 likeWHY DIDNT I GET A NOTIFICATION THIS IS ART
0 likesWell said.
0 likesDidn't know any of this. Not that it entirely matters since they're all dead, but I'm not watching this movie or buying it to support whoever profits from it.
0 likesAnd the worst part of all of it is....the company behind the film gave no shits for the well being of their actors...it's pretty fucking depressing and messed up.
0 likesWow, Nembutal = Yellow Peril. I used to abuse them.....yeah.
0 likesI happened to be in the Able Sister’s shop just as the song came on in this video
0 likesJudy Garland alone is just a sad story to show Hollywood's as a nightmare
11 likes12:25 $825 at the time is now worth $15,625.50
0 likesIts not worth risking your life and Alzheimer's for a 5 figure payment.
You sure love your tornado sirens huh
0 likes2:52 if you don't want to waste your time
0 likesWhy is MaskedMan66 so mad lol. Buddy is spending hours replying to every single comment and reply
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Fr lmfao, it's the most saddest thing I've ever seen.
0 likesThe worst part about watching a new emplemon video is that I can never watch it for the first time again.
19 likesSome things are just better left as a book.
0 likesit was the late 30’s, what did you expect?
0 likesThis reminded me of oz from diary of a wimpy kid
0 likesTbf it was either acting, painting things with radioactive paint, or building skyscrapers with hand tools and no harness. So not a bad gig for the 30s
0 likesI guess you could say...
7 likesThere will never ever be a film like The Wizard of Oz.
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Except not in the congratulatory way something usually is never like something else on this channel.
0 likesHow'd you get Steve Buscemi to do your ad that's crazy
0 likesChock full of Emerald programming, using vast swaths of Jade, green, black with a hidden drug theme (Opium Poppies). Recently seen in Kung Fu Panda 3 (Kai aka Ocean) with another weird water reference. After an entire house falls on the Witch of the East, the Wicked Witch of the West seeks total control over the RUBY Slippers.
0 likesLouis Mayer is one of the worst people in American History. He is often overlooked and most don’t know who he is, but he is legit one of the worst public figures ever.
1 likeThe background noise during the intro is the Seinfeld theme slowed down 1200%.
0 likesI love how emplemon can give a informative video about a topic and make it interesting.
3 likesThis is horrendous. I will never look at this movie the same way again.
0 likesI didn’t even know this was posted until right now. I’m upset due to this.
0 likesIs this when America was "great"? Still unsure.
1 likeI wonder if they have the real take somewhere where she is on film set on fire
0 likesAt first I thought Oz was a fantasy, now I realize it's a tragedy
4 likesBuddy Epsen is the guy from the Beverly Hillbillies
0 likesJackals the lot of them. Hope we learn from our mistakes.
0 likesThat holy fuck always kills me
0 likesI saw what you did there with the Pink Floyd covers
0 likesI went no way no way no way as you kept talking this was like my childhood movie
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But your last statement really resonated within me
0 likesThe wizard of oz is an isekai story huh
0 likesWelcome to the machine.
1 likeGuys, guys! "AN"
16 likesInstead of AND that is the most hilarious thing in the entire world, you guys!
Started with an ad and we still stayed
0 likesI have hair and this ad made me want to buy keeps
0 likesNow do 'The Three Stooges'
0 likesBoy, and he didn't even covered what happened to the people acting as the dwarves
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What happened to them?
1 likeI'm so glad Emp Lemon pivoted his channel to wanting to talk about things that interest him. Dude is so smart and creative I love to see the things he's interested in. Thanks for all the hard work on a great vid Lemon loved it! 👍
4 likesI thought it read "The Darkseid of Hollywood"
0 likesIt’s crazy that’s there’s more dark things that happened BTS
0 likesLmao studios "had unparalleled influence"
0 likesAnother stellar video
0 likesive thought about how someone who is perfect for the role could have just as easily not been in that role and either i would never care bc the other person would do a good enough job or some weird part of me is gonna feel like someone else deserved the role
8 likesEmp, any comment on the fact that YouTube has destroyed the dislike and has essentially removed it from the platform?
0 likesOOOHH, THE MADNESS!!! DIG IT!!
0 likesHow about a little fire, scarecrow? Seems ironic in hindsight
0 likesDude I can't get through the first 2 minutes holy shit
0 likesThere's no time for us
103 likesThere's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams, yet slips away from us?
Who wants to live forever?
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The only reason you could want to live forever is to help other people.
6 likesThere's no chance, for us...
0 likesIt's aaaall decided for us...!
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us!
When dreams may die.
0 likes...me?
2 likesI don't mind dying, but the thought of growing old terrifies me.
Will never forget how my grandma looked during her last days... I'd rather die young.
So this comment got me thinking about Judy Garland becoming the Highlander after overdosing. And I need this in my life.
0 likesAnother strange Oz legacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Oz_(theme_park)
0 likesThe dog has paws, not feet. Poor dog, though.
0 likesvideo about the wizard of oz, use music from dark side of the moon, nice.
0 likesi hope you reach 1 million subs
0 likesGenuine question.
0 likesDoes anyone know the piece of music playing in the background from @16.30 onwards?
TIA.
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EmpLemon has a music list in the description.
1 like@G- -stef
0 likesThank you.🤘
Holy fuck, THE SNOW!!
0 likesDidn't even see this come out, thanks youtube
0 likesI hate Wizard of OZ now.
1 likeI have even more of an appreciation for this timeless classic now just knowing the hell those people went through to make it
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Discomfort, hard work, and hellishly hot lights, but not hell itself.
0 likes@acacia Nothing's worse than hell-- not even war.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 especially after experiencing something way way worse than hell itself
0 likesCan we show some love to our Chewbacca fan maskedman66? Bro almost has 1000 comments on this specific video "spitting facts" or whatever, if that's not dedication, I don't know what is.
0 likesThe bottom of the thumbnail makes me think I’ve watched the video already. Idk why but every time I see it I think it’s the progress bar
0 likesThat 8 Bit Any Colour You Like 👌
0 likes2:53 if you want to skip that annoying ass ad skit.
0 likesMy favorite scene in The Wizard of Oz is Kurt Busch’s downward spiral after Hungrybox beats him in the final race of the NASCAR championships.
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lol
4 likesHollywood oh that land
1 likeDon't forget when Hungrybox threw Kurt Busch off the top of the Hell in a Cell cage.
0 likes1:05 of course this mad man lives in Florida
0 likesRusty cage more like backwoods Steve Buscemi
0 likes“cursed films 2” have that documented
0 likes9:09 that’s the lion SKIN ALONE??
0 likesBois be heavy!
XD
(Gotta joke to not get depressed... HOLLYWOOD IS HELL)
Somebody: So Hollywood is bad?
10 likesEmpLemon: Always has been.
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0 likesNot when it was a sleepy little suburb of LA whose residents included a family named Baum.
0 likesvinewood is better
0 likesMoreno 😎
0 likesIs the intro song a parody of another song it sounds so familiar?
0 likesA diet of cigarettes, meth, and barbiturates isn't good for you?
1 likeDude I love your hand tats
0 likes0:10 sounds like binks booze lol
1 likeAfter all the horror stories related to the character's costumes, I didn't expect Judy Garland to have one herself.
12 likesIn a way, her figure was her costume. and If she wasn't gonna have to ruin her body by dressing It up, she was gonna have to ruin It just so she COULD dress It up and play the part.
take this with a grain of salt, since I'm not much of a poet or have a way with words. But, hopefully, this conveys my thought prosses.
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It does not
0 likesIs the title a reference to the wizard of oz - dark side of the moon mashup?
0 likesI have a drinking game: drink a shot everytime MaskedMan66 shows up in the comments
0 likesI'll never watch this movie ever!
1 likeThat snow is the bestest!
1 likeEveryone removed from the Public eye except Margaret Hamilton who got an episode of Sesame Street banned because she reprised her role as the wicked witch
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I remember hearing about it, they said it was too scary for kids, right?
15 likesShe was also in an episode of Mister Rogers
5 likes@Raymunator yeah, from what I heard, PBS was getting a bunch of WTF letters from parents
3 likesWhat do you mean "removed from the public eye?" As long as any of these people lived, they made themselves visible; in the 1970's especially, Hamilton, Bolger and Haley were very much in the public eye because of the coming 40th anniversary in 1979. Bolger even reprised his Scarecrow for a musical skit on The Donny & Marie Osmond Show in 1977. Likewise, Miss Hamilton played the Wicked Witch in The Paul Lynde Halloween Special in 1976.
1 like@MaskedMan66 I'm not sure, I didn't grow up on Wizard of Oz. I just knew of the Maragaret Hamilton Sesame Street fiasco
0 likesBoth of those shows are on YT, by the way, and well worth checking out! 🙂
1 like@JohnnyKlebitzRevenge I've seen that show; someone posted it here, and I don't see what the problem was.
1 like@JohnnyKlebitzRevenge I tellya, though: there was nothing like that annual anticipation building up to the traditional broadcast of the movie. Families would all sit in front of the T.V. together, no other distractions, and watch it every year. Those were the days!
1 like@MaskedMan66 my family usually did the same thing with a Christmas Story.... At least on my Dad's side
0 likes@JohnnyKlebitzRevenge I could never get into that movie; give me any version of "A Christmas Carol. " 🙂
1 likeWell, except that horrible BBC fiasco from a couple of years ago.
What pisses me off the most is that this movie was made by the same assholes behind TOM & FUCKING JERRY, yet never ONE moment before making this film thought "GEE, maybe we should compete with an animated movie with ANOTHER animated movie!!!"; then the only thing the actors could've suffered was doing lines over too much!!!
0 likesThe bust survives the city.
0 likesstill feel bad for Judy
0 likesBut why dose Scarecrow have a gun?
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What?
0 likes@Bigbad75 look it up
0 likes@Bigbad75 the scene where they are In the scary forest the scarecrow for some unknown reason has a revolver in his hand
0 likesStories like this really make realize we live in a cartoon sometimes, you'd like to think ppl this cartoonishly evil to others only existed in fiction
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0 likesDidn’t she put on the green makeup again for a Sesame Street episode?
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Entirely different kind of makeup. Green yes, but not literal poison, as far as I'm aware.
1 likeim copying all of that video for a presentation in my school, thank u
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This may be bait
0 likesThat ad was fuckin wild
2 likesMacaulay Culkin isn't looking or doing that bad now a'days tho.
0 likesI watched the Wizard of Oz once as a kid, and after watching this video, the mere thought of that movie makes me sick.
33 likesNO EMP NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
0 likesDON'T TURN LIKE NOSTALGIA CRITIC
There was another bad thing that happened in 1939, you guys showed up late for it.
0 likesMost watched movie until Drive (2011)*
0 likesWe have the same shower curtain. Dunno why I only noticed that
0 likesMy God. What these poor people went through make me want to cry.
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war stories
2 likesGreat video
0 likes2:52 is the start
0 likesGreat video
0 likesall this trauma and I still prefer Snow White.
0 likesI like that the topic of your videos vary instead of it being similar. If you ever were to talk about Hollywood again, I would love for you to cover Marilyn Monroe and her tragic end. Nice video!
3 likesAustralians seeing people faint from 38 degree weather
0 likesThis dude really made me skip 3m
0 likes14:37 if that's really the pic of MGM they look like they drink blood
2 likesThank George for CGI
0 likesThat 8 bit any color you like at the end is fuckin choice
0 likesThe yellow brick road is paved with blood
0 likesWho would want to live forever in the world we live now...NOT ME!!!🤔🙄😒
0 likesLol I have that shower curtain.
0 likesHow does one fit so many Wizard of Oz™ metaphors in 20 minutes?
8 likesThe script writing for this is almost unparalleled
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Pity the actual information is so flawed.
0 likesemplemon can make the most random topic interesting
0 likesbro thats crazy how did you get steve buscemi to do an ad with you?
0 likesShout out to the pinkfloyd at the end :)
0 likesA video about The Wizard of Oz
0 likesZardoz
Use of Beethoven’s 7th
Nice!!
Fantastic vid, lemon
0 likes“The Wizard of Oz an the Dark Side of Hollywood” Enjoying that typo while it lasts.
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yep, I will enjoy it while it lasts
1 likeTacoma Speeway Never Ever Dale Earnhardt
1 likeWoah. Employment of the lemons showed his face
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he has many times in other vids
0 likesif you google image search him his face is right there as well lol
This video didn't appear on my sub page. Only the later one where you mentioned it on the last one. Good job YouTube
0 likesOh my god I didn’t know it was this bad oh my god.
0 likesI'm sorry but did you say the snow was made of cancer?
1 likeThose closing statements were astonishing, excellent writing mr lemon.
4 likesahh yes, the 9030s
0 likesAh yes, the wild wild west of Hollywood. What the fuck. We're lawsuits not a thing back then???
0 likesthe wound-erful victim of oz
0 likesSweet Jesus, this was a shit show of a movie
1 likedid you adjust for inflation? Because $825 in 1939 is $15,850 today
0 likesI was too scared to look at the video, just scrolled through the comments the while listening
0 likesknife game man has incorrect opinions about copyright and looks like steve bushemi so at least that makes me giggle when he's in the shot
0 likes2:51 to start
2 likesThe only movie production off the top of my head that I think comes close to this troubled production would be “The Crow”.
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Guess you've never heard of the Twilight Zone movie
10 likes... Dishonorable mentions to the Abyss and Apocalypse Now
@Warren Jehosephat lets just say that filming the twilight zone movie
4 likeswas a mind blowing experience.
I'll see myself out
@Warren Jehosephat Also The Conqueror starring John Wayne and one metric shitload of tumors.
1 likeIs this Steve buschemi's lost son?
0 likesGreat vid and all but that ad was fire
0 likesAyo I felt that
0 likesMargaret's incident happened on my birthday....!
1 likeMost other YouTube videos feel obsolete thanks to this guy. Thank you for the fucking amazing videos.
4 likesoh my god i didn’t know about margaret hamilton ..
0 likesThere is, it is just very a very small group.
0 likes18:42 does anyone know what's the music playing?
0 likesJudy also got smacked red in the face by the producer as well.
0 likesAmazing.
0 likesI knew they got it shit but jesus
1 likeAnd you didn't even bring up the suicide on set!
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thats a myth
2 likes9:49 did you use the the music from spookslot from the Efteling here? or is it free public music
0 likesWhen you talked about what happened to Dorothy I felt like crying. It's one of the saddest and most tragic stories in cinema.
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This video is full of lies and exaggerations. Judy had as good a time as anyone could have on a movie shoot (which is always a difficult job), made lifelong friends, and learned a lot about her craft. She only worked for four hours a day and went to school while everyone else was working on other bits of the movie during the rest of the eight-hour day.
0 likeshey man just out of curiosity can you link your source where apparently judy had a good time on the set? thanks
2 likes@Rice Muffin Certainly; it's called "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Jay Scarfone and William Stillman, available at Barnes & Noble. And you will note that I said, "as good a time as anyone could have on a movie shoot."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 alright thanks
3 likes@Rice Muffin You're welcome!
0 likeseverybody is miserable
0 likes@MaskedMan66 dude. You need to use NON-fiction books.
1 like@CMG The Person Read it.
0 likesHollywood made out of Holly trees
0 likesSo tragic.
0 likesIs that me or you have changed the channel's name? I could swear I have a Mandela Moment and it used to be Emperor Lemon, isn't?
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He changed it
1 like@mu$ashi thanks but was it Emperor Lemon or else?
0 likes@Good Value Gaming Emperor Lemon and then he changed it to emplemon after he stopped doing youtube poops
1 likeAhhh yes the wizard of oz the movie that a munchkin hanged himself
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That's a myth and was debunked.
0 likes"its the art, not the artist that stands the test of time" hard AF
34 likesYoo this dude looks like gaming historians brother
0 likesAny classical music fans know the song at 15:10????
0 likesWish give her a hug men
1 likeI wanted to learn about the horrible stuff in Hollywood but MaskedMan66 in the comments is giving me a conniption.
0 likesMan, makes you wish you could go back and give them a hug or something and let them do whatever you can to make them feel safe and let them know they're loved.
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They knew they were loved; it was a very close-knit cast and crew. Lahr, Bolger, and Haley were all old pals and got through the rougher times by telling each other jokes and playing pranks on each other. In time, they even brought Judy into their circle and soon they were pranking her and she was pranking them. As far as jokes went, however, there were some that they thought best to keep from her young ears. They also got on well with Victor Fleming, who was a director that actors liked to work with because he took suggestions from them as to how they could play their parts; he worked in a lot of their ad libs as well. And when the work day was done, they had their homes and families to go back to; things between Judy and her mother were, at this time, peaceful.
1 like18:16 hang on look at October 6th 1939 did they make the first fast and furious?
0 likesCurious Cohencidence between Mayer and Weinstein thinking emoji thinking emoji
0 likesPeople where tougher back then.
0 likesi was sure that u was going to talk about the suicidal munchkin
0 likes"An artist must suffer for their art" -Squidward Tentacles
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That's been a trusim for centuries.
2 likes@MaskedMan66 are you saying that the people on set that had do deal with life long trauma deserved it because mUh mOViE?
4 likes@infa @infa The movie didn't cause them any "life long (sic) trauma."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 It did cost them life long scars
0 likes@Rabbit Inc. Lots of things have caused lots of people lifelong (that's one word) scars, but they carry on with their lives and don't obsess over them. I've had a scar by my eye since an accident when I was a toddler, but I hardly ever think about it.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 One of them got Alzheimer's and another died of a drug overdose they developed during filming
1 like@Rabbit Inc. WRONG.
0 likesMargaret Hamilton's Alzheimers hit her fifty years after the movie was made, and had nothing to do with anything she experienced while making it.
Also, Judy Garland's drug addictions started when she was grown up, not during "Wizard." Her accidental overdose happened thirty years after the movie.
@MaskedMan66 They still gave Judy meth and overdoses can take a long time to happen and Margaret getting Alzheimer's later in her life can be explained by the fact that Alzheimer's doesn't suddenly spring up, it can take a long time to developed even if you did or got something that can give you Alzheimer's.
0 likes@Rabbit Inc. Nobody gave Judy meth. You're confusing methamphetamines with amphetamines, with which she was acquainted, but which she didn't take during her time on "Wizard." She never had anything to do with methamphetamines.
0 likesYou're grasping at straws as far as Miss Hamilton is concerned. Show me a medical report directly linking her condition to anything she experienced while making "Wizard" and maybe your argument will have a bit of weight. At the moment, it's lighter than air.
@Rabbit Inc. I'm not arguing, I'm just telling the truth. The actors were not abused. They wore uncomfortable costumes and had to work under extremely hot lights, but that was moviemaking in those days. Now, the lights aren't as hot, but costumes are still uncomfortable.
0 likesOr are you saying that Anthony Daniels was "abused" by having to trudge through the desert in an all-enclosing fiberglass costume?
@Rabbit Inc. One more thing: looking back over your previous comment, an overdose by definition happens pretty instantly.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I meant being a drug addict, it can take a long time to screw up and get one
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Judy was constantly being bullied by everyone who was making the movie except for Margaret
0 likes@Rabbit Inc. Judy didn't become addicted to anything until she'd grown up.
0 likesAnd no, she was not bullied by anybody on "Wizard." The producer, Mervyn LeRoy, was a huge fan of hers and had fought to get her the starring role, so he would not have allowed that sort of treatment of his star. She had previously worked with Billie Burke, Buddy Ebsen, and Jack Haley and got along with all of them. Ray Bolger especially found her enchanting, and was amazed by how smart she was. She once recited "The Raven" by Poe for him, and when the movie was complete, he made her a gift of a first edition woodcut of the poem.
@MaskedMan66 Then what about the fucking video where you are commenting this on
0 likesHoly shit the asbestos
0 likesLol Joe on the shirt is great
0 likesHollywood is a jerk
0 likesThat, is an upwards spiral
0 likesD O W N W A R D S P I R A L
0 likessong in the intro is in D but you're playing it on the keyboard in C. UMSUBSCRIBE jk i am sub'd also your content is great
0 likesRay Bolger is my great great uncle
0 likesyeah... this is the dark side of Hollywood... yeah
0 likesIm at 11:42 and I already want to give like five of these poor people a hug already. This shit is awful 😢
4 likesPLEASE make a video on Evidence.Zip 2
0 likesAa hecc, gymnopedie!! Man of culture
0 likes13:45 Excuse meWUT
1 likeDIET CIGARETTES?!
Q_q
lol I like your copyright complaint DSoTM outro.
0 likesI noticed the atom heart mother 8 bit when will we get a video about music?
0 likes20:06 C’MONN, that’s how they Looked??🤨🤨🙄🤦🏾♂️
0 likesWas not expecting midi any color you like to come on there 19:40
0 likesThe sad thing is I don't even like the movie.
0 likesName one other fucking youtuber who can just crank out the astonishing and thought provoking videos...you really deserve props Emp!
3 likesVid was great til you brought up the pyramids. Maybe you should do some research on it and do a vid on the "conspiracy"
0 likes2:07 what does mean exactly that it is "reducing and stopping the symptoms of hair-loss"?
0 likesThat sounds quite suspicious! What are the symptoms it is reducing?
It sounds like you can't legally say it is stopping hair-loss itself, because it doesn't really work!
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Well of course you can't say it stops hair-loss itself, just like you can't say the flu vaccine 100% prevents you from getting the flu. The flu vaccine is very effective at helping you not get the flu, and if you do you'll have milder symptoms. If you think it doesn't work than how has it managed to be a effective solution that has helped many people. Not to mention Keeps is FDA approved, and if you think that you know more than they do go ahead and prove it.
4 likesIt’s sad that Billie Burke (Glinda) and other Actors as Characters somehow haven’t experienced these Horrible Tragedies of Exhaustion…. Yet those who were Hurt did what they could to make others Entertained….
1 likeDid you get your wallet back?
0 likesI love how rusty is just in every emp video now.
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Think they live together
2 likesWhat was it with asbestos in the 30s?
0 likesThis is horrifying.
0 likesJesus this is one depressing watch.
0 likesIs the piano background music from Eternal Sunshine????
0 likesNot even joking, In class we were just talking about the Wizard of Oz and how much symbolism it has, and you just come in and upload this.
45 likesYOU CHAD
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You definitely gotta bring up this horrible behind the scenes stuff next time you’re in class and discuss this book. I’d be curious to know how everyone would react and whether they’d think the end product was worth it or not.
1 likethe story really isn't ultra deep, it's just a fairy tale at the end of the day.
0 likesEmp what are you thoughts on Tiktok taking over YouTube?
0 likesMervyn Leroy looks like Shia labeouf
0 likes(Hey emplemon on your channel can you make a review on AEW????)
1 like18:42 Y O U H A V E A M E D I C A L D I S O R D E R
0 likesThis video is truly a masterpiece of it's own.
3 likesA true work of educational art.
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An "education" in exaggerations and sensationalism.
0 likesemplemon the best!!
0 likesyou continually melt my brane thx
0 likesHmmm. Not one mention of MK Ultra. Interesting 🤔.
0 likesNot sure if I agree with the end. Think of charlie chaplin
0 likesCan u discuss the shitty things Disney has don't like thanking a concentration camp treating some of there actors like shit being hypocrites putting blame on someone else instead of themselves ect.
0 likes"Non omnis moriar", "Exegi monumentum" - two sentences that say the poet will never die because his work will never be forgotten. But what about the poet himself...
6 likesRemember when you did YouTube Poop?
0 likesIncredible
0 likesthat's horrible
0 likesThis video makes me so tense, God
Did the intro change because I don’t remember it this way
0 likesThis is a tried and true case of don’t peek behind the curtain. Never see this movie the same again
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Judy Garland, Ray Bolger, and Margaret Hamilton only saw the wonder and magic when they watched the film. They would want you to enjoy it and relax. :-)
1 like@Kirby Arroyo You're telling Judy, Ray and Miss Hamilton to shut up as well.
0 likesso torture. this video made me sick.
0 likesEven as a young child, I hated this movie. Especially Dorothy ruining the effect of the gorgeous red slippers with her blue ankle socks. Ewwwww. And Glinda had a beautiful dress, but she was old. Ewwwww.
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Yes that's what was wrong with the movie
0 likesHOOOOME
0 likesHOOOME AGAAAAIN
I like to be here when I caaaaan
Jesus they got annihilated.
0 likesAlways love a good Rusty Cage cameo
6 likesMGM more like...b-bad amirite? Right?
0 likesI knew it was a keeps add
0 likesGosh what if something like this happened today. L
0 likesWhy I am getting shiren head vibes at the beginning
0 likes1:33 Keeps? HairClub? Bosley?
0 likesCOMPLETELY missed opportunity in the opening bit to have him sing “If I only had a *MANE*”
0 likesThis is like the original actor for godzilla
0 likesYo that to e before the tornado is mad illegal, might want to edit it out
0 likes“When you’re dead, you’re dead, but you’re not quite so dead if you contribute”. -John Dunsworth.
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Contribute to the darklord. You filthy human!
3 likes- Hollywood
...and yet I still remember John Dunsworth... God I miss him.
0 likesDownward Spiral Warning
0 likesJudy Garland was so beautiful
0 likesAmerican fame needs to end.
0 likesNgl that song at the beginning was pretty good.
0 likesStarting the video
112 likes“Hahaha funny ad, this is gonna be hilarious”
Finishing the video
“Oh god”
14:21 and that’s why I don’t like children becoming celebrities
3 likesMe who hasn’t watched it
0 likesIs that 8 bit pink floyd at the end?
0 likesSpecial thanks to Keeps for sponsoring this video. It's probably better for you than copper, asbestos and lion hyde. https://keeps.com/emplemon
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Ha
1 likehilo
1 likeedit: i really just typed in hi and hello as one word
an
18 likesHello there.
0 likesTypo
8 likesLove the content emp keep it up
2 likesHi
0 likesMalding
0 likesI know all of us clicked the moment we got the notifaction.
0 likesfirst
0 likesHI
0 likes@relentless chaos we did
0 likesBalls
0 likesHi EmperorLemon
0 likesLETS GOOOOOO
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0 likes@act How you get the likes and not me 🥺🥺🥺
0 likesdownward spiral
0 likes@Jack 4_life kap🧢
0 likes/!\typo in the title/!\
0 likes3 views 15 likes and 1 comment 🤣
0 likesSpeeway flashbacks*
0 likesI screenshotted the typo before he edited it ggs.
0 likesan
0 likesIs that rusty cage!
0 likesno
0 likesFunny you posted right when I finished the Dale Earnhardt Never Ever, for the seventh time.
1 likeYour creative ways of doing Sponsorship Reads are amazing.
1 likevideo:was public since 34 min
0 likescoment:was posted 54 min
Hey bro, ever thought about discussing Jordan Peterson?
1 likeYour Awesome
0 likesasbestos is worse than keeps, especially for breathing
0 likes@don't forget my name he could’ve privated the video, put the comment, then unprivated the video
0 likesYou probably won't see this comment but thank you. You have consistently made some of the best videos on the entire platform and it's always something new. Whenever I click on any of your newer videos I'm always gonna be entertained on something I didn't know much about or find a newfound appreciation for something that I didn't think about much before as well as be incredibly entertained. If I had to rank my favorite videos on this entire platform several of yours would likely crack the top 10. Thanks for making my day so much better whenever you upload
2 likeswell done
0 likesEmp, your sponsored link does not work. I get 404. It looks like "emplemon%E2%80%8B" in my adress bar.
0 likesThere will never be another movie like “Who Franed Roger Rabbit” ever again. Please do this one!!!
0 likesPLS MAKE YTPS
0 likesI am continually astounded by the quality of the Channels output, truly one of the best on this entire platform
0 likes"Probably"
0 likesWell I guess EmpLemon is going to Keep, religiously sponsoring Keeps for an undisclosed amount of time.
0 likesNice video. I knew some of these stories, but not all of them. Also thanks for the shout out in your description credits. A few people have come over and started listening.
0 likesDamn it, brain. Stop telling me to kill myself.
0 likesWill likely watch your video tomorrow, Emp!
0 likesLion hyde isn’t misspelled- it’s referring to Sam’s hair
0 likesIt's good to know after all this time, you still have that Garbage YTP editing down pat. I love your new documentary videos a lot more though. A welcome change I would say. Keep at it mate
0 likesI love a good self aware ad, kudos dude
0 likesHello
0 likescan you send the article or something about the volunteers on the pyramids? I could not find anything about it
0 likesit's amazing how this comment has been buried by the rest of the comment section
0 likesHow do u make your thumbnails (especially the Rick and morty vid)
0 likesWait. That shit at the beginning was just an ad!?
0 likesWas that him singing????
0 likesthat's just, sad
0 likesThere are Pink Floyd references here and I'm here for it.
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Me too
0 likesHollywood Hostility
0 likesIs this real?!
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Yes
1 likeThis is horrifying
0 likesA 3 minute intro ad. Nice way to be introduced to your channel...
1 likeThere Will Never Ever Be Another Boondock’s Episode Like The Color of Ruckus. I feel as though that’s the best episode in the whole series because of how much layers there were to it due to the different viewpoints regarding race and class. If anyone can give a good enough essay on that show, it would be Emplemon.
1 likeWhy is the music list titled "Super Mario Bros Ultimate Soundtrack"?
0 likesYour videos are outstanding, and I truly hope they withstand the test of time! Please keep providing us with this remarkable quality content!
0 likesThis was really well done. I wish in the wrap up you may have spent some more time on how the time of Oz and what goes on behind the scenes isn't so different as we may imagine now. It could even be worse. At the same time leaving it open makes sure it will likely resonate with those who watch it now and in the future. Well done Emp.
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Read these books for the real story: "The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz with an introduction by Margaret Hamilton, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman with an introduction by Jack Haley, Jr., and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesSuch a somber yet beautiful video, my man. And as someone who wants to make movies and who loves films like the Wizard of Oz, I think I will come back to this video to remind myself never to let my ambition cause any harm to those who help me try to realize it.
0 likesWhile I commend the studio being dedicated to sticking as close to the source material as possible the story behind the scenes show that accuracy has to be sacrificed not only to have a better film but for the well being of the cast and crew. Art in itself is amoral it's up to the artist to not make their art immorally.
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The movie in many ways actually changed lots of things from the original story. For one, the ruby slippers were originally silver.
0 likesSorry, what?
0 likes@BoxyLemons The book as written would have been impossible to film in those days. They could do it now, but sadly, the MGM movie has a hammerlock on people's minds to such a degree that too many would reject something that had no echoes of it.
0 likesThe real question, has Hollywood honestly gotten any better?
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Well, there's CG instead of poison paint.
2 likesAll my life I thought the face of the cowardly lion looked like that because of prosthetics...had no idea the actor actually looked liked that ^^
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LOL So true! They worked hard to make sure that even in character, the actors would be recognizable.
3 likesOf course, he does appear with his own face in the Kansas bits.
0 likesThere is an abandoned half way house up the street from me. Was run by a german couple who were psychology pioneers in the 1930s-60's. Judy Garland had stayed there for a short period of time, as it was far away from hollywood and press. Watching Wizard of Oz as a kid and my parents telling me about her troubles really opened up what had happened to her. Great vid Emp
0 likesAs somebody from Kansas, the amount of Wizard of Oz jokes I’ve been subject to make me despise that movie
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That doesn't even make sense.
1 like@MaskedMan66 I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told “You’re not in Kansas anymore” or been called Dorothy
18 likes@Connor Odum That's not the movie's fault, that's just people thinking they're being clever and original. At least you're not from Chicago, where people get all sorts of Mob jokes made at 'em.
4 likesJust carry on, my wayward son.
3 likes@MaskedMan66 >>"That's not the movie's fault"
2 likesits not, but the connection is understandable.
@LBRL RSF DJ You win!
0 likes@_*ZAPATOZ*_ As are lots, like the Chicago "connection" I mentioned earlier. :-)
0 likesAnother quality video as always. Good stuff emp.
0 likesPLEASE make more of this shit, you got me to care about NASCAR, something I didn’t give a crap about before your video. Your story telling prowess is admirable.
3 likesWhen people say the greatest disaster film is the room, The island of Dr. Meows and others would never think that the greatest film in human history was the most disastrous film in all cinematic history .
0 likesThese videos are brilliant. I really hope you make one analyzing some aspect of the Beatles some day, as I'm sure it would be great
1 likeThanks for making this, it's important that these stories are told.
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Not when some of those stories are lies.
0 likesboth you and rusty need to be on the official podcast
0 likesat the same time ofc
Really unfortunate that you used a picture featuring Al Jolson in reference to "talented people doing terrible things" sure, blackface is seen as a taboo by today's society but one cannot discredit the work Jolson did to support African American performers in show business at a time when society was openly racist and hostile to them.
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Exactly. Besides, I remember Ben Vereen doing a blackface routine in the 80's.
31 likesI guess if i was to elaborate on emp's point is that, people do things that are considered par for the course or "normal" for the times that future generations will probably call cruel or horrible
16 likes@Than Os And who's to say that this present time won't be judged so 80 years from now?
4 likesi thought that was his point?
9 likesI support Al Jolson doing black face because I’m racist
1 like@MaskedMan66 you can still hold someone accountable for doing bad things without completely ignoring the good.
1 like@Content Creator You have something against Ben Vereen?
0 likes@Content Creator And you can also forgive, which is a far better alternative.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I don’t have to forgive shit quite frankly. It’s not like I actually know the man. If he did help out many black people in the industry, good on him. I’m not going to undermine the good he’s done. Im just saying that you can hold someone accountable for their actions. There’s a difference between forgiving and forgetting. And I’m pretty sure Al understands that many people won’t forget about him doing black face.
1 like@Content Creator Al Jolson has been dead for seventy-one years. And again, Ben Vereen did a blackface routine once, wearing a make-up darker than his own complexion.
0 likesAnd yes, we all have to forgive people, otherwise we carry grudges which do nobody, especially ourselves, any good. Grudges can be downright self-destructive.
Besides, if you truly object to the idea of someone of a certain color portraying someone of another color, then you have a long list of people who need to "account" for themselves, such as the Wayans brothers, Eddie Murphy, and a Chinese actor I saw in a Hong Kong martial arts movie who was made up to look like Chuck Norris.
@MaskedMan66 look I don’t really care about al or anyone who does/did blackface. All I’m saying is that people have a right to point out that it’s a shitty thing to do. If someone is a fan of him or Ben Vereen or whoever else that’s fine. But nobody’s going to forget about the shit they did. I’m not going to remember Al as “the guy who did blackface” but I’m also not going to pretend that it didn’t happen. Like I said, you can hold someone accountable without ignoring the good they’ve done. I’m sure Al was a decent down to earth man, but what he did was fucked up. That all I’m saying. No one’s a saint. I still get shitted on for things I regret doing. I’m pretty sure Al, Ben, and Eddie did too. So I’m not gonna forgive a man who I didn’t even bother to hold a grudge against.
3 likes@Content Creator So what about the Wayanses, Murphy, and the Chinese actor I mentioned? They did whiteface.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 White people ween’t enslaved in the U.S. for 400 years. The jokes that were made in from Murphy and the wayans was that they garnered more respect from people while wearing white face, than they would from their own skin color . Blackface on the other hand originated from demeaning roots that portrayed African Americans as lazy uneducated people. It wasn’t like studio execs said “oh we need a black guy in our film but can’t find one.” They felt that a black person cannot perform that role as good as a white person could. It was always taboo. The only difference was that white people back then had a say in what was or wasn’t acceptable. If you can’t see the issue, if you’re just gonna keep defending al as if your his lawyer, I don’t know what else to tell you. I already said it like 3 times already you can still point out what someone did as being shitty without ignoring any of the good they’ve done. It’s not my responsibility to answer for people who do white face, just like it’s not yours to answer for people who do black face. If what you saw Eddie Murphy, or the Wayans did as offensive then take it with them.
1 like@Content Creator Black people were not slaves when blackface was seen in the movies and on the stage-- and many more people than Al Jolson did it, so laying it squarely on his shoulders is both silly and unfair. And with very few exceptions, black actors played black characters since as far back as the Silent Era (as it happens, there was one in the 1925 version of The Wizard of Oz ). No, it was not often in dignified roles, but nevertheless, there they were.
0 likesBut I see you have a double standard going on, namely blackface bad, whiteface okay, rather than seeing both as questionable, so further discussion with you is likely bound to be unfruitful.
@MaskedMan66 Well firstly blackface has been practiced since the civil war. A time which slaves were still around. The “double” standard that you’re talking about has no basis for argument. The whole purpose of black comedians/actors doing white face was for commentary of how they were treated better in white face than they were in their own skin color. And the amount of black people who did it is STAGGERINGLY low compared to those who practiced Blackface. A practice that was demeaning and made to poke fun at African Americans, and benefited from it without giving any of that success towards black people. You can disagree with me all you want. You can even say that I have double standards, but you can’t deny the history behind the practice. Anyone who has done blackface, is subject to criticism, and that’s all I was saying. It’s important to learn from the past. It’s what history is all about. So excuse me if I think a practice that has a bad history for over a century and belittles those with a darker complexion is far worse than an SNL skit made to be a social commentary at a time where racial tensions were still high. My opinion and those who share mine, isn’t just pulled out of our asses. There’s a reason why it’s considered bad now. It wasn’t like a law was implemented that says “blackface bad” society learned from it’s past and deemed it immoral. What more are you trying to get at?
2 likes@Content Creator I said you had a double standard (singular), and so you do. Okay, disregard the SNL skit (that very action being another example of that double standard) if you like, but what about the Wayans brothers and the Chinese actor I cited, and also have asked you about? For that matter, what about Japanese actors who do themselves up as white and black people, as has been done in various films?
0 likesAlso, I've never disagreed with you that blackface was bad, but you disagreed with the idea of forgiveness, which is disturbing.
And you still haven't said a word about Ben Vereen's blackface act.
@MaskedMan66 I’ve already mentioned the wayan brothers, and I honestly don’t know who you’re referring to when you mention a Chinese guy. Secondly forgiveness doesn’t mean completely forgetting something that someone did in the past. You can still acknowledge the shitty things that people do. That’s literally the basis of history. Ben vereen, who starred in the TV show roots, did black face in tribute to bert williams. An African American actor who did blackface due to many audience members being racist and not wanting actual people of color performing. This double standard that you keep getting on about isn’t applicable for the argument that I was making. Blackface was a practice that was made to belittle people of color. White face is a rare practice that usually commentates on societal norms. And lastly yeah I think Japanese people doing blackface is still fucked up. I don’t know what the whole point of bringing that up was for.
0 likes@Content Creator I didn't know I'd be talking about the Chinese actor to an activist thirty years after the fact, so I didn't get his name. In any case, his name isn't the point; I'm talking about him being done up to look occidental.
0 likesAnd I maintain that you have a double standard; you betray it by saying you object to Japanese people made up to look black and playing black characters, but leave out that they also get kitted out as white characters.
@Content Creator And yes, forgiveness means wiping the slate clean. Forgiveness without leaving the offense in the past is not forgiveness at all.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 sir I don’t know what you’re drowning on about. I simply stated from the very beginning that you can point out what someone did as shitty without undermining any of the good they’ve done. If that bothers you, if the idea of acknowledging the past wrong doings of a person is a sign of unforgivingness to you, then I honestly have no idea to how you cope with the outside world. Nobody’s going to forget any of the good that Al Johnson has done. Him doing blackface isn’t going to damage his reputation. This wasn’t something that he tried to hide. He openly did blackface to a huge audience and was paid for it. Pretending that it never happened for the sake of “forgiveness” would be like if I ignored a stain on my t shirt. Because nobody’s entitled for someone to forgive them. I don’t even have anything personal against the man. I literally don’t fucking care. He is no different than anyone else that did blackface as far as I’m concerned. But he still did blackface. So it’s not something that I’m just gonna pretend didn’t happen, because that’s a stupid thing to do. Shit you could forgive someone like Adolf hitler If you really wanted to. That doesn’t change the fact that 6 million people were wiped off the face of the earth because of him. You talk about forgiveness? Okay why don’t we forgive school shooters, rapists, or serial killers? Because if you don’t then that means you have a double standard. See how fucking dumb of an argument that sounds?
3 likesThe suffering makes their acting better. Still, though, laws protecting actors from torture like this is a gift to the world. Glad to have the Wizard of Oz, more glad we won't have another like it.
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Acting can still be torture. Think of Anthony Daniels, locked into his fiberglass C-3PO costume and having to act in the desert.
0 likesThe Screen Actors Guild was in full force by then, having been founded in 1933 by no less a personage than Boris Karloff, who was certainly no stranger to uncomfortable make-up and costuming.
0 likesThank you for the history lesson! So fascinating!
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Not altogether truthful, however.
0 likesI sometimes forget how good rusty's voice is.
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Rusty?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 rusty cage
0 likes@MonkaKonga None the wiser.
0 likes"I guess there's no way to make great art without abusing people. We sure are lucky to have near monopolized media production for a fascistic display of wealth and power. Subsume yourself into the corporation of art and you too will become immortal."
0 likes-This fucking guy
Another world is possible. Get your head out of your ass and try to disentangle the elements of art and oppression here, how coerced these actors were into accepting these conditions.
It's easy to say pain can be ignored for art when the dude making the decisions isn't the one that suffers.
0 likesThis is disgusting
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Also largely untrue.
0 likesI have to disagree. Nobody should be forced to sacrifice their health or sanity for art. There was a video about Vincent Van Gogh that goes something like this:
1 like"When people put flowers on Van Gogh's grave, they don't do it because he made beautiful art, they do it because he left a woman widowed and a child orphaned"
If I had to make a choice between amazing art and somebody's mental/physical health, I would choose their well-being. Even if it meant having to deprive myself of something amazing. I know that seems pretty fucking cheesy and idealistic, but to me, it seems kinda fucked up that people would choose some painting/film over somebody's life.
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Nobody should have to but it will probably happen anyway. Anything worthwhile comes with a sacrifice.
0 likesRight before watching the video I prepared a list of the horrible stuff I knew from that movie, and slowly I crossed all of them off as you covered them.
0 likesFor being such a classic that I’ve watched tons of a kid growing up in the 90’s to me buying the DVD a couple of days ago for $5
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Which edition?
1 like"Only sleeping 4 hours every three days" ... that's funny. That was me last year during home office in quarantine. Amphetamine is one hell of a drug.
0 likesDid you just end a video about the Wizard of Oz with an 8-bit version of a Pink Floyd in an attempt to make a reference to the "Dark Side of the Oz." This is why I love you Emp.
0 likesThis video was awesome. It’s not often that a 21 minute video goes by so fast🤙🏼
0 likesJust goes to show corporations have little care for human life as long as they make money
3 likesWish emp posted daily these videos are all just masterpieces
0 likesevery single one of emplemons videos is a masterpiece
0 likesThat 8-bit Pink Floyd track as the outro to the documentary is a reference to a theory that "The Dark Side of the Moon" was secretly constructed as a soundtrack to "The Wizard of Oz". It's very fitting, but even more clever, you sneaky dog.
0 likesYou're one of my favorites in making essays, period.
EmpLemon taking cues from the great Nostalgia Critic, I see. That skit was The Wall Review tier.
0 likesThis is horrid. I can only think of the part in "The Man Who Killed Don Quixote" where he says (spoiler) "My daughter was a flower." That line was incredibly powerful and one that will inform how I treat women.
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Yes, horridly full of misnformation.
0 likesMan, that keeps ad at the start was a riot! Please consider getting into professional ad production if you ever decide/debate on getting a job outside of the Internet, you'd be an awesome pro ad director/editor! :D
0 likesWill never EVER miss an emp video again
0 likesIt's actually nothing short of a miracle that the movie came out as good as it did under these conditions.
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Not at all; the people who made it were professionals who knew their business.
0 likesWe've come a long way. In 100 years people will be talking about our current work like this, as all of them are just on their computers all day.
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@James Bailey I don't know what you think you mean by "simping," nor what the production of "Wizard" has to do with either the OP's comment or my jocular response to it.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 nothing you are saying is witty, clever, or funny
1 like@James Bailey You may say that. People with senses of humor would say otherwise.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 none of your comments have likes and everyone disagrees with you.
1 like@James Bailey I see that your comment has a like; did you do that yourself? ;-) I'm not after likes, and people who "disagree" with truth have a problem.
0 likesWe haven't really come that long a way; people have suffered far worse on movies since Wizard . The Conqueror (1956) was filmed near a nuclear power plant in Utah, and most of its cast developed cancer. Vic Morrow and two child actresses, Renee Shin-Ye Chen and Myca Dinh Le, lost their lives to a crashing helicopter while filming Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983). Because of a stunt gone awry during the making of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (2009), David Holmes, Daniel Radcliffe's stunt double, is paralyzed. And stuntwoman Olivia Jackson lost her left arm doubling for Milla Jovovich while filming Resident Evil: The Final Chapter (2016).
0 likesArt is an attempt at fighting the inevitable; death.
12 likesThat is the most beautiful and saddest thought there is.
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Never heard it described that way.
1 likeJesus fucking christ, the fact the actors & actresses had to suffer unfathomably through sheer agony & suffering for a film hasn't been well known up until now is both astonishing, but especially terrifying.
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We have known for decades about the hot lights, the uncomfortable costumes and make-up, and the accidents. But that was moviemaking in those days, and frankly, in some cases it's changed very little. Add to that the exaggerations and outright lies in this video and all the ridiculous rumors and scandalmongering, and you get a very unrealistic picture of things.
0 likesI don't even watch modern-day movies from Hollywood anymore I'm just sick and tired of seeing all the politics I don't agree with in these movies. I'd rather watch old movies like Wizard of Oz that doesn't have political correctness
1 likeI'd be happy with that ad as a full length video ngl that was art
0 likesI went to Judy Garland's Wikipedia page to read more about her, then fell into a rabbit hole and now I'm reading about involuntary euthanasia. Thanks emp!
0 likesChilling thesis statement at the end there, Emp. Love it.
0 likeswhat a tragic story
0 likesbehind a beloved film
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The 8-bit Dark Side of the Moon at the end there is perfect.
2 likesPersonally i like to pass down that the witch was payed buy a school teacher. As she was a elementary school teacher both before and after the movie.
1 likeI don't wanna say it was worth it, but it's like the one of the best movies ever...idk.
1 likeI've always thought that movie was boring as hell. The best parts were when the Wicked Witch was on screen.
0 likesThere is no dark side of Hollywood really. Matter of fact it's all dark.
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No, not all of it, any more than in any town.
0 likesI swear to god watching this video and reading the comments about how Judy was treated nearly made me punch my monitor in hatred and disgust for what those monsters did to her. since I know what it's like to be abused like that when I was younger.
24 likesEDIT 5/14/21:dont go into the replies. it's like a fucking onision novel down there
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Delete this comment and accept the fact that the amount of horrors that go on within our everyday lives are enough for anyone to want humanity extinct.
1 likeJudy was not maltreated by anybody during the making of this movie; she was very popular with the cast and crew for her energy, her talent, and her amazing intelligence.
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0 likesAwesome documentary! What a sad story...
0 likesHoly fuck it's so damn true that old Hollywood was a fake suggestion of glamour and elegance. Poor actors, poor dog :(
1 likeIt looks like there's real hell in our mortal world.
1 likeAnd it's located in Los Angeles, California.
This story still isn't as edgy as Zack Snyder's Justice League
1 likeAnd those people's health and life sacrificed, because of goddamn money, fame and greed against competitiors.
1 likeShame!
12:22 I will literally get that for my 2 summer jobs, of which one consists of doing absolutely nothing and the other of doing next to nothing.
4 likesDark side of the moon in the background! The attention to detail is insane!
1 likeI like how this movie forgets that it's a musical halfway through.
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It doesn't; three musical numbers were recorded and at least one of them filmed, but they were excised when the suits decided that they made the movie too long. They were "The Jitterbug," a reprise of "Over the Rainbow," and the Triumphal Return to the Emerald City, which was a reprise of "Ding! Dong! The Witch is Dead." All the audio survives, but the only footage that exists is rehearsal filming of the Jitterbug number taken on someone's personal camera and a too-brief clip of the Return in a trailer for the movie.
1 likeHonestly a movie could made about the infamous production of a classic movie
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Hardly infamous; far worse things have happened on other movies. Ask Olivia Jackson and David Holmes.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 make movies about those too
0 likes@RANDY TYSON It would involve a lot of legal red tape; Jackson was in Resident Evil and Holmes was in Harry Potter ; do you know about them and what happened to them making those movies?
0 likesBeutifull video, this really changed my outlooked on my own performance and how i should feel about myself and the art i make. also wow otaku vs is your patreon, thats really cool
1 likeThat Scarecrow mask is some SAW stuff.
1 likeI had a friend who used to call his regular RX mix the Judie. Only thing is, he was taking that mixture on purpose.
0 likesI liked the part of the movie where Pink Floyd says “MONEY”
6 likesi sure love hearing about the great depression with animal crossing music
16 likes17:12 of course drug abuse, sexual abuse, labor explotaiton and some dude making blackface, truly that last one is the worst of the worst XD
0 likesCrazy, thanks for shedding light on this
0 likesThought process throughout watchinv this: OK, but at the very least THIS person had to have gotten through unscaved-oh... oh god...
0 likesthis my first time watching one ur videos keep up the great work man this topic needs to be noticed
1 likeA very important film for YTPs as well.
0 likesPretty sure he's wrong about the volunteer part for the pyramids, homie needs to drop that source list.
0 likesLove the 8-bit Pink Floyd at the end.
1 likeDude please add all your videos into one playlist. omg its so annoying seperating them like that
0 likesYou should listen to Magdalene Lane by Don McLean. It's a satirical song about Hollywood. Quite fitting
0 likesGoodness, I gotta see this film now!
0 likes"Talented people guilty of terrible things", you should have done some research on Al Jolson before stating that.
0 likesI see what you did there playing Danse Macabre during the Margaret Hamilton section. Nice touch, mate. Great video!
0 likesChiptunes version of Breathe was an excellent end to a very dark video.
0 likes2nd degree burns and you have to sit and wait to remove poisonous material from your skin before anything.
0 likesGood to know that the entertainment industry was always shit
0 likesPretty sure carrying around 100lbs for a few weeks is preferable to having chronic bronchitis the rest of your life.
0 likesFantastic video sir. I love video essays
0 likesBravo. Riveting presentation!
0 likesI literally went to your channel for the past two days and didn't see this video. Was this privated or something? I think this has been happening to other channels as well.
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it could've been related to a typo in the title
0 likesLove the 8-bit Any Color You Like as the outro.
1 likeFun fact, I am from the town Judy Garland was raised in.
1 likeanother banger, good job emp
0 likesIts a stage on a stage about stages of life. Neat.
0 likesThe three stooges went through straight up hell aswell
0 likesLove that Hexen music in the background at 10:00 :)
0 likesEmp doesn't miss. How does he do it??
0 likesBrilliant ending
0 likesBest channel on YouTube.
0 likesThis was recommended me 2 days after, I haven't heard about Emplemon ever since the Ytp era
1 likeBro the background music is always so nice I love recognizing it or I think recognition of it
0 likesPeace of art, yes, but at what cost?
0 likesI could stop this video after the keeps sponsorship and be satisfied.
0 likesWhy yes Lemon, the pyramids were build by dynastic egyptians. And by built, mostly repaired.
0 likes1930s film making was a lawless era where yeah you could just fucking shower your actors in abestos
0 likesLouis B. Mayer looks like the bad guy from Shawshank Redemption.
1 likeHoly shit that Joe on a Boat shirt
1 likeIt's been 80 years. But if you're a Kansan people still make jokes about this movie when they figure out where you're from.
0 likesPre-union Hollywood is crazy.
5 likeslove your channel, but Keeps is a scam that preys on insecurity. why are you still doing ads when you have a successful patreon? your audience is your sponsor now, ditch the ads.
0 likesThe fuckin 8-bit Floyd at the end man 👌🏼
0 likesThe mob did make really good movies
0 likesIt’d be fitting if Emp did an Uzumaki review
0 likesAlternate tile: Florida man ruins your childhood movie
0 likesMinnesota's crown jewel was destroyed by that movie.
1 likeWears a literal lion hide to play a lion, that's so method
0 likesI hear that dark side of the moon midi you threw in there very smart
0 likesWhat if Seymour and Super Intendant Chalmers were sent to MunchkinLand and met the Wizard of Aurora Borealis?
0 likesThis video reminds me of why SAG exists
0 likesWe just watched oz in class so this is acrazy coincidence
0 likesoh ive missed u emp
0 likes2:52 what a dramatic change in tone I almost missed 3 mins of great content (click to actually start the video)
0 likesThe Telly Headed man does not approve of the way they treated Judy Garland
0 likesWasn't $825 back then the rough equivalent to $15,350 today?
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Yes, but the point is doing something like that would be worth $51,722 1935 dollars at least
0 likesLOOOOVE THE INTRO
1 likeIs the end song Pink Floyd 8 bit? Where can I find that music?! That’s awesome!
0 likesI don’t care that people know of me; I desire that they know the ideas behind my work. That it delights and inspires them. Skilled writer? Talented drawer? That’s not what I want to hear. Tell me the ideas communicated by these mediums inclines one to day dream fondly. Or don’t tell me, allow me to overhear. I can’t tell you who created Superman, yet Superman forevermore.
0 likesThe Cameo was appreciated
0 likesLmao she was on amphetamines the whole time???
1 likeWow I don't think I can ever watch it again now
0 likesHollywood talent is treated like marionettes or maybe like cattle.
0 likesDude looks and sounds exactly like Steve Buscemi.
0 likesIs it just my imagination, or does Margaret Hamilton resemble Mayim Bialik?
0 likesEmpLemon thinks any of his fans are old enough to bald.
0 likesngl thought this was gonna be about dark side of the moon
0 likesSo am I not allowed to enjoy the movie anymore orrr...
0 likesDon’t think I can anymore tbqh. This shit is tragic.
Awesome video man
0 likesWow wtf this didn't show up in my subscriptions. I'm actually pissed off about that.
0 likesUnjust that this video is being suppressed by YouTube
0 likes… and this is why we unions in the industry folks.
1 likeYeah, the production history of this movie is really fucked up. If you didn't knew it was real, you would assume it's the plot of a very edgy black comedy.
0 likesWhat about the dead little person killed on set and hanged on the background of the scene and removed on the remastered version ?
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not real
1 likeGreat video but Oz sucks so much lmao don't think it's anything near art
0 likesPretty sure the actors of Tropic Thunder had to go through notably worse conditions
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How?
0 likesRay Bolger must have had some of the worst fucking acne anyone has ever seen with all of his pores plugged up like that
0 likesDamn. These greenscreen effects ARE pretty persuasive.
4 likesAlright,now I need a episode about how truly dark show biz can get.
4 likesoutstanding video
0 likesFantastic Video!
0 likesThe story behind the Wizard of Oz is so dark like it could be a horror movie
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I’m shocked we never got some super dark drama about it, the closest we got was that weird ass Chevy chase movie Over The Rainbow
4 likesIt wasn't "dark," it was just hard work, like any movie.
0 likes@James Green Which was totally inaccurate and an insult to the Singer Midgets.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 u being annoying is dark
0 likesDisney's Peter Pan did nothing wrong.
1 likeSmall critique: I found that the thumbnail was very much dull and un-appealing, it never got my attention in my subs new releases or my feed. Maybe your profile picture or something would have meant to me, in a heart beat: ''Hey EmpLemon made a new video'', and I'd watch the FUUUUck out of it right away. But this video got lost in my endless YT feed and wished I saw it when it came out to help with the algorithm thingy. Only saw it 3 days later by sheer luck when it autoplayed into my YT while I worked.
1 likeI don't mean to shit on your content creation, I just figured it's something you'd like to know, as I enjoy all your content regardless and wish you had more notoriety, cuz I think you really deserve it! <3
I like the addition of the pink Floyd music as the wizard of oz has been connected with the dark side of the moon album. Nice touch.
8 likesAs one song by SOAD said "You should have never gone to Hollywood".
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Lost in Hollywood is a banger and has so much unfortunate truth towards it
20 likesSystem always spoke facts
7 likesThe Pink Floyd cover was a nice choice. “Dark Side of Oz” is a trip and a half
9 likesgreat stuff
0 likesSo when's the next ytp?
0 likes"They say you die twice. Once when you stop breathing and the second, a bit later on, when somebody mentions your name for the last time." - Bansky
24 likesI looked up wizard of oz and found this thing uploaded 2 days ago
0 likesI liked that 8 bit "any color you like" pink floyd reference at the end
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Yeah, I imagined Emp put it in as a nod to the fad started by hippies that was listening to Dark Side of the Moon while watching The Wizard of Oz. Gotta love the attention to detail!!
3 likes11:14
4 likes*inhale*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I love how “any color you like” started playing when he began talking about the pyramids
12 likesI played a tree in my schools wizard oz play
0 likesYooo this my favorite video from you
0 likesRusty Cage? You mean Rusty Cage of Joe on a Boat?
0 likesI remember yesterday I learned how the actor of Dorothy was abused by the directors while making The Wizard of Oz. Now I see this video today.
4 likesI appreciate the nod to "Dark Side of the Rainbow" with playing "Any Colour You Like" at the end there.
8 likeswell that was fuckin sad
1 likeI love this man with a fiery passion.
3 likesUhhh why at 15:00 minutes in under That clickbait article of "most tragic child star deaths" is the first picture Drew Barrymore?
0 likesShe had terrible experiences as a child star sure, but actually did overcome those odds and didn't quite die, as of may 2021 at least.
Lazy editing or purposefully manipulating an image?
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It wasn't about them overcoming it it was about experiencing it in the first place.
2 likesperhaps the article was made before she overcame those experiences? either way it’s an example of how many there are nowadays and thus serves its purpose i believe
0 likesI like how at the end there's an 8-bit remix of 'Any Color You Like' by Pink Floyd playing in the background making a reference to The Dark Side of the Rainbow.
14 likesBest ad ever
0 likesThat pink floyd reference at the end was on point.
5 likesI thought this guy was the guy who threw his friend under the bus
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That happens a lot on Youtube. Can you be specific?
0 likesRemember when south park made a wizard of oz episode when ike has been taken away by his biological parents, Kyle and the boys has to go and talk to the Canadian prime minister
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Yup, that was the season 7 Christmas episode, “Christmas in Canada.” Definitely my absolute favorite season of the show, and although CiC isn’t my favorite episode it’s up there.
3 likes15:36 and then Macaulay found the light, not god, but rich evans
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Hey man
0 likesnice sydney
0 likesEmp lemon is another based floridian??? nice.
0 likescame for the typo, stayed for the quality content
7 likesI am 10 minutes in and I am having a hard time getting thru this bro. What the fuck did these people do to deserve this curse
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I swear, this shit sounds like some Doki Doki Literature Club-type psychological horror visual novel, except it’s set in a 1930s Hollywood studio, and THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!?!
1 likeI like your jobstopper. Hand tattoos are rad.
0 likesNothing bad ever happens in Hollywood, so this story really is a stain on the red carpet so to speak. But aside from that it's squeaky clean.
1 likeI regret clicking on this video. :C
0 likesEverything comes out to zero. Every positive achievement is the result of a negative sacrifice. To make others happy, you have to take suffering upon yourself.
6 likesIT JUT KEEPS GETTING WORSE!
0 likes15:24 Oh hey, it's popular RedLetterMedia member Macaulay Culkin
0 likesAfter the section explaining the agony experienced by the actors' costumes and makeup, I got a Revlon makeup commercial
108 likesThanks YouTube
What is the song at the end? Sounds like Pink Floyd but can't put my finger on it. Any help would be appreciated!
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sounds like "any colour you like" from dark side of the moon
2 likes@tritekstyn thank you!! 😁
2 likesI haven't even made it through the first minute and I know this is gonna be fucking amazing
14 likesYet people only ever mention the fake hanged guy in the back of a scene
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And it’s been mentioned before that it’s not a hanged person countless times over and over too. I mean I’m pretty sure those same people are not aware of any of this mess whatsoever ofc, but I’m just surprised that people still remember and believe that hoax.
0 likesis it weird that as someone who doesn't watch Rusty Cage at all I instantly recognized him in the intro because
4 likes"It's a guy playing music...
in an EmpLemon video...
and he has a pentagram on his hand."
I only ever knew about the original tin man who was replaced due to toxic paint, but wow was everything else on the set just as toxic
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It wasn't "toxic paint," it was aluminum powder that got into the air and then into his lungs, aggravating a congenital bronchial condition that he had. And you describe for me a 100% safe job in any industry.
0 likesThe snow was asbestos???
0 likesThe 8-bit Pink Floyd song at the end was a really nice touch.
6 likes"Thank God that this is all in the past. Can you imagine being an actor in
16 likesthose barbaric days. Its so good stuff like that never happens these days haha..."
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For the awful shit being revealed now about the dark side of Hollywood, I am 100% sure it was far worse back then, as sexual abuse was probably even more rampant due to less sources of information around to uncover it ON TOP of this extreme physical and mental abuse of the actors.
4 likes@Fragmented R
0 likesWhile there are more ways of uncovering these dark practices however there are many more ways of hiding this information too. And the people who do these things learn from the past and hide them better.
@Aleksandrovich Makedonovsky Many more ways? Such as? Are you going to name them?
0 likesWell, there's chronological snobbery if ever I heard it. "Barbaric?" That was state of the art in them days.
0 likes@Aleksandrovich Makedonovsky There are also ways of exaggerating and lying about things, as this video demonstrates.
0 likes0:00 to 2:55
0 likesHey, if you get near a video, play it
(Jk)
no way the knife game guy
0 likesLove the Pink Floyd reference at the end, “ Any Colour You Like “
5 likesSomething about this movie, even as a kid, didn't sit right with me. It's like a fever dream.
1 likeYo Rusty Cage - from the song movie reviews back in the day?
0 likesThis is so sad
0 likesI don't know if I like ads at the start of the video
0 likesAt least there was no phones in sights. THEY WERE ALL LIVING THE MOMENT!
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Society moment
1 likethe "The Caretaker - Everywhere At The End Of Time" would be good background music for this video
0 likesAyo OtakuVs, is that like a random weeb who’s got a hard on for the word of the wise, or is that another drunken way otachan has spent her dru- I mean sponsor money?
0 likesHi Empy boi. Long time viewer. Can you make a vid on your thoughts on crypto?
0 likesWhy do we make movies, again?
0 likesGod this is hard to watch
0 likesIs that Steve buschemi?
0 likesThank you for this video, Emp. I enjoy your nuanced look at topics like these.
0 likesSomehow, you always manage to emphasize how the topic at hand is linked with some greater topic and meaning.
Your videos always tend to surprise me and exceeded my expectations. I really enjoy all your videos but this video was different I wasn’t thinking about anything else just this and that feeling is so great and shows how much you’ve put into this video. Anyways just wanted to say that and I now you hear this a lot but keep up the good work.
0 likesIt was a good video but it felt unfair to not go into more detail about movie studios in general for that time period. While MGM was certainly the worst, they weren't the only one.
2 likesHow odd. I was just crying watching this yesterday. Excellent video as always Emp. Sad to see Hollywood hasn’t changed in nearly a century.
0 likesAnother great video emp, happy that you make a living as a youtuber, keep up the great work!
0 likesI'm sure Emporer, being plugged in as he is, knows of In Praise of Shadows's introspection into Baum's literary Oz works. Either way, it supplements this video in a unique fashion and I'd recommend a watch as a fan of both channels.
0 likesNever ceases to amaze me how we see how damaged these celebrities are yet people worship them as gods.
0 likes15:25 well I mean Macaulay has been a recurring honorary guest on BOTW and RLM in general, so I think that goes to show he's in a much better place than he was before.
1 likeI don't know if this is true, but I heard that Disney wanted to make an animated The Wizard of Oz but then they couldn't because MGM got the rights. Just think how much would've gone differently if Disney had gotten them.
1 likeJust a reminder that this was the most beloved film of all time until Black Panther surpassed it.
0 likesAt least Black Panther didn't have such a troubled production but I still love The Wizard of Oz more than Black Panther.
That said, I find it easier to watch Black Panther because The Wizard of Oz is harsher to watch in hindsight knowing all the production issues in the latter.
Great video, highly profound while also somehow cliche
0 likesI already knew a lot about the horrible BTS of Wizard of Oz but it was nice to know more facts about it
1 likeWhat a good video OMG. You are such a good writer, the end encapsulates the whole video, BRILLANT!
0 likesPeople are finally waking up to how insignificant Hollywood really is. The Oscars ratings are proof of that
0 likesI treat your videos like a new episode of my favorite show. But it's like a surprise episode lol. I save it and watch it at the perfect moment. This time it's around a fire. 🔥
0 likesI like the pixel sounding version of the dark side of the moon by Pink Floyd at the end there. Clever to play that with the wizard of Oz considering the conspiracy theories between the movie and the album.
0 likesWow Emp this is one of your best yet!! Pretty intense story.
0 likesLove the classical background soundtrack, these video essays of yours are super good.
0 likesBut did they need to use real lion hide and copper? I feel like a lot of that is pointless. And why wasn't the witch in a glass tube to protect from the fire?
2 likesGood timing, Emperor! Just in time for Forgotten Media's Oz month.
0 likesI like how the downward spiral joke is a triple pun
2 likesAbout a week ago I just started the wizard of Oz audiobook which is like 63 hours long and I'm starting to get addicted to it
0 likesAh, the good old times when employers could poison and burn employees and simply fire them for not working.
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None of those accidents was deliberately caused. And would you have forced Buddy Ebsen to work in his condition?
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Where did I say that they did it deliberately? Horrific negligence is bad enough. Buddy was fired, right?
0 likes@Speeding Atheist You said the employers poisoned and burned their employees. No, they didn't.
0 likesAnd again, would you have made Ebsen work in his condition? That would have been cruel. However, it may interest you to know that once he'd recovered, MGM cast him in two other movies which were released the same year as "Wizard."
Thinking about this video all the time since I watched it. It's so scary to me that those people suffered so much only for... that. Why is that movie so popular in usa?? It's incredible to me but that explains why i keep seeing dumbass wizard of oz retellings all the time.
1 likeI've heard people call the movie cursed. I don't think it is. This shit was all on purpose. Treating their actors like non-human fucking props or some shit. They didn't care and they never had to pay for their crimes.
3 likesThis is a depressing video. She was such a beautiful girl...
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Needlessly depressing; it wasn't nearly as bad as this video says.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 We've all heard your two-cents for over a month now, go watch something else and leave people to enjoy the video and express what they think about it.
23 likes@Kirby Arroyo This isn't about me. Truth is truth; strange how angry it seems to make people.
0 likes@No-Face James LOL When the video is full of misinformation? No, not likely.
0 likesmight be what caused robin williams to go depressed as well
0 likes@acacia Not this video.
0 likes@Alyssa Richardson You might try focusing on the information I provide rather than obsessing over me. Better still, read the books “The Making of The Wizard of Oz" (1977) by Aljean Harmetz, "The Wizard of Oz: The Official 50th Anniversary Pictorial History" (1989) by John Fricke, Jay Scarfone, and William Stillman, and "The Road to Oz: The Evolution, Creation, and Legacy of a Motion Picture Masterpiece" (2019) by Scarfone and Stillman.
0 likesOne more thing: take a chill pill. You're too worked up.
"again ,why did you buy this time machine?"
1 like"h- ,hug judy garland...?"
As a kid this movie always scared me and now i know why...
1 likeThere's something about how this was basically just normalize back in the day that really just shakes me to my core... it truly could be a horror movie what these actors and actresses went through
1 likeI was going to say watching emplemon is like watching internet historian on weed but its the opposite, watching emplemon is like watching internet historian but not on crack
2 likesI heard Rusty Cage voice singing and my eyes just opened wide.
0 likesThe weirdest thing is that i don’t super know the names of the actors offhand, but I always thought I knew Buddy Ebsen as the Tin Man. Maybe it’s me half-remembering the trivia about him. 🤷🏼♀️
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Originally Buddy Ebsen was going to play the Tin Man but his lungs got coated with aluminum powder after breathing so much of it. He ended up in the hospital because of it. Jack Haley ended up replacing Ebsen as the Tin Man. The studio did switch to aluminum paste after Ebsen's calamity. Although it was an improvement it gave Haley an eye infection.
0 likes@Melissa Cooper He was over it in four days.
0 likesI wonder if there are any 'coincidences' about the MGM producers and executives.
1 likeEmp is without a doubt the greatest person on this website. He talks about whatever he wants and tells a narrative so epically.
2 likesKeep it up my dude. I may be just another generic fan, but I legit love your stuff.
And once again Emp raises the bar just a little higher
0 likesHoly shit, the downward spiral warning killed me.
1 likeYo. Great video. I’d feel comfortable sending this to my normie mom. I do miss the angry rants but we all grow.
0 likesThat "Any Colour You Like", Emp, you think you're slick...
0 likesGreat video as always.
Your documentaries are great!
0 likesTo be fair to Al Jolson, the jazz singer was incredibly popular back then. Black people loved the character and the movie. Jolson himself was not racist and his portrayal was seen as more endearing if anything. It's only through today's lens that it looks offensive.
2 likesSeeing king rusty brightens my day
0 likesWow good show. Next time I see Wizard of Oz, I'm gonna have to look for the dark side of it.. ✠
0 likes17:45 Now do the Pyramids, the Colossus of Rhodes, the Great Wall of China, the Taj Mahal, the Temple of Artemis... you get the idea. Congrats, man, this is your best video yet, IMO.
0 likesGood to see Steve Buscemi get a leading role again.
0 likesSeeing the return of oz movie basically topped it all off
0 likesGotta say, the edit in the beginning was fking dope bro 👌
0 likesNice shoutout to the "Dark side of the moon" lining up with the film at the end there...
0 likes"Bert Lahr would become drenched in sweat after just a few minutes."
0 likesFurries: "Pathetic..."
This is so well made
0 likesthanks for existing and made great content
0 likesGood video as always!
0 likesThis guy be talking about how peoples lifes were destroyed and just drops Satie's Gymnopedie like nothing
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Whose lives were destroyed by this movie?
0 likesAnswer: none.
Me and my old man were talking about this shit the day before you uploaded, Great timing.
0 likesThat Beethoven SLAPS! on the Judy Garland part.
0 likesgreat video bruh! keep it up!
1 likecopper paint? they could have simply used spirulina mix with wax or something of that nature
0 likesI hear that 8 bit style "Any colour you like" during the credits. Very nice
0 likesYou didn't talk about The midgets and how they had a hard time on the set as well
1 likeThe editing is god tier
0 likesHey, Mackaulay Culkin turned out great. He’s in a long-term relationship with Rich Evans. What more could you ask for?
0 likesWow. I'd never wanna work at that set!
0 likesEmp lemmon and rusty cage knowing eachother is such a random thing
0 likesI love emps editing man...
0 likesGotta love that 8-bit Pink Floyd at the end. Great vid
0 likesanother classic emp, thanks
0 likesI'd like to ask if you got the $800 from adjusting with inflation, or if you kept it at that times worth.
0 likesEvery time you begin to think that the great satan couldn't be anyworse, out comes more info, dispealing such quaint notions
0 likesI really liked the ending of the video.
0 likesI was really hoping to hear about the alleged dwarf orgies that went on but this will do.
0 likesGeat video! Altho im probably one of the few people who actually never saw this movie.
0 likesThat little graph where he said one and 10 Americans go to the movies each week. It ended in 2000. COVID got this shit differently lol
0 likesI liked the 8-bit rendition of 'any colour you like'
0 likeswho the hell has the time to go to the theater weekly?
0 likesGood lord, this felt so much like a Solar Sands video
0 likesYou got Rusty Cage in the video hell yeah
0 likesThis video made me physically uncomfortable. So hard to watch while eating a hot bowl of curry...
1 likeA new Emp video, nice!
0 likesAll that work and suffering just to make a movie that I would rather be tazed in the balls than watch.
0 likesAnd nothing has changed about Hollywood since.
0 likesThats why we should vote with our wallet, refuse to ever support thw film industry and never become brand loyal, any one creator has the chance to become corrupt
1 like10/10 video the wedding was really good with the pyramids
0 likesWho owned and still owns Hollywood?
0 likesWow this is really quite depressing.
0 likesSome dark stuff but great video man
0 likesAll I can think of during the outro is the monument to pharoh Bender saying "REMEMBER ME".
2 likesJust saying, that cinema attendeeship graph is hella skewed. Yeah people dont go to the cinema anymore, but the main reason for that is a lot of the shit people watch now is via television or the internet
0 likeswhen Any Colour you Like came on I got chills
0 likes$825US back in 1939 equals to $15,721.12 in 2021, when adjusted for inflation.
0 likesHollywood never changes
0 likesWell that just killed my vibe.
1 likeThat editing by our half Asian god is icing on the cake!
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Who?
0 likes@Quacker EmpLemon
0 likes@Spongiroth EnaPants - EnaTenkiyoGaming Oh
0 likesWill you cover Twilight Zone too someday?
0 likesthats why i love you baby, watch mojo would've made a top ten deaths in oz or someshit ur shit is acid gold
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Mojo 😁
0 likesAt least it was for the sake of art.
0 likesAsbestos snow... if you had any doubts that that actors could get enough Asbestos.
0 likes17:05 Ok... real question here. How seriously Americans treat blackface? Here it is placed right by rape, and in other cases I see controversies for what happened decades earlier. I really don't have context, as where I live there aren't enough black people to spark any racial discrimination you can hear about, let alone hear about people loose job becasue of that.
LET'S GOOO NEW EMPLEMON!!!
0 likesAt least they don't have to suffer anymore, because that's what CGI is for.
0 likesThe downward spiral is my new religion
0 likes7:28 anyone knows the name of the song, i've heard it so many times but sadly i dont know the actual name
0 likesWait did you edit this video with the dark side of the moon in mind?
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I mean he plays an 8 but cover of any colour you like at the end
0 likesI swear you hide a Pink Floyd song in most of your videos...
1 likeNo ones gonna notice that if you search up how old Snow White is she’s 14 and the other dude is 31 :/
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Their ages are not specified in the Disney film; more likely she's 16 and he's in his twenties; remember, people matured a lot faster in medieval and renaissance times, mainly because they didn't live as long as we do.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 I mean, a 16 and a 20 something year old is still creepy and predatory. :/
0 likes@Neptunesharks ahem "Remember, people matured a lot faster in medieval and renaissance times, mainly because they didn't live as long as we do."
0 likes@MaskedMan66 What do you mean by "mature faster"?
0 likes@Neptunesharks Seriously, what do you think it means? In a time and place where people didn't live as long as we do, people had to take on adult responsibilities a lot sooner, and that included becoming husbands and wives.
0 likes@MaskedMan66 Why are you acting so condescending? I'm just asking you to elaborate.
0 likesAnyways, it doesn't matter how "mature" a teenager is forced to become, a teenager is still a teenager and has a lesser developed brain than someone in their 20's, which leads to a pretty noticable power imbalance. So, yeah, still pretty creepy lol.
@Neptunesharks You're speaking from a 21st century perspective. In the distant past it was different. Teenagers in most cases were ready for the world because the world hadn't been kept from them in favor of distractions. People got married in their teens and began households.
0 likesSo no, not creepy at all, just a different world. What is creepy is the vast number of teenagers who still act like children today and the number of adults who act like they're still in high school.
@MaskedMan66 Once again, no matter how prepared a teenager is for the world, that does not change the fact that their brains are not as developed as an adults. Same for medieval times, the psychology is pretty much the same, it's just that there were no psychologists then so they didn't know the harmful effects that a relationship between a teenager and an adult can have on a teenager.
0 likesAnd I'm going to ignore that last part because I just rather not open that can of worms. :/
@Neptunesharks smh And once again, and once and for all, different times and different cultures produce different people. People did mature faster in old and ancient times and they did marry and take responsibility at a younger age than now, especially in times and places where the average human lifespan was less than fifty years. We have become longer-lived and also softer and less mature-- which includes less psychologically mature-- overall, and we've developed the curious idea that people have always been as we are now. That's an example of what C.S. Lewis called chronological snobbery.
0 likesHad to throw in a dark side of the moon song at the end there ;) i see you
0 likesHollywood actors and actress has a downward spiral
0 likesYou are the best the fucking goat at what you do
0 likesironically, a downward spiral level up...
0 likesI just remembered the spongebob reference for the ad. Man i nvr thought it could be done
0 likesIt will always be ignored, due to fact that most people want to enjoy there products, guilt free also most just don't care.
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This might sound naive, but why would people feel guilty over something that someone else did? Idk I guess people just separate the art away from the artist. Or at least that’s what I do with rappers who do crimes and all. It’s understandable if people don’t care enough to just stop enjoying the entertainment that they love. Its beyond the consumer’s control that the artist is an ass, but they should also just remember that the creator of the media isn’t exactly the best person.
0 likes@Another random guy I'll be a just reminder, that art takes sacrifice, however is the sacrifices for art warranted. Characters are somewhat granted immortality, Guaranteed same cant be said for those, who brought such characters life on the other hand. Aggressive apathy is A term often associated with volatile fanbases wanting those who bring up such discussions like this: Telling them to shut up, fuck off, or even who cares. (etc.) don't be like these people.
1 likeYour essays keep getting better.
2 likesAlso, Frank Baum was an awful person! He actively disparaged American Indians and advocated their genocide. Read his Op-eds. :(
This ad was amazing
0 likesWhere is the man behind the curtain joke from? I'm sure I've seen it before in a cartoon somewhere
0 likesWhy do the wizard of oz, alice in wonderland, and willy wonka all have the same vibe
0 likeswait, isnt mgm that indie band that made kids and little dark times?
0 likesevery side of Hollywood is dark.
0 likes1 in 10 americans have gone to the movies in the last week?
1 likei havent even gone in a good 10 years
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Same here, but that's mostly because they closed the theater that was near me.
0 likesI’m never going to watch this movie or movies with Child Stars the same again
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child acting is basically a form of child labor. it's amazing how many child actors wind up leading horrible lives.
0 likesDid you release this due to flashback cinema? Because it coincidentally brought back this movie on the same day you released this just for this weekend
0 likesGOOD FUCKING VID FINALY YOUTUBE HIT ME WITH THE JUICE!!!
0 likesi dont think its possible you ever failed an essay in school
0 likesBravo, i was infested all the add. Amazing
0 likesYes the Simpsons are green, but why is everything gray ?
1 likeDamn hollywood, you scary!
0 likesWhat’s the background song that starts at around 1:40 ??
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Wario ware microgames
0 likesTHIS MOVIE WAS MADE TO EARLY BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO DO THIS THEN YOUR DOING FILM MAKING WRONG
0 likes18:43 You have a... MEDICAL DISORDER
0 likesBritish people be like “knob” lol
0 likesThank you @Emplemon
0 likesThe Keeps ad might just be the most unique and creative one I've ever seen
9 likesI love how pink floyd always manages to sneak in emplemon videos
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I gotta feeling it'll lead to a never ever vid
3 likes@Lukibear 1112 yeah, we need a “Never Ever” on some musical artist or band and a “Never Ever” on a video game (not just a player like the HungryBox video). I don’t even care which artist/band or video game he chooses, no matter what he picks it’d be an amazing video.
1 like@Fragmented R Yeah I agree
1 likeWhy you gotta do my boy rusty bad like that
0 likesHe got rusty in here lets go
0 likes"Not even Toto left the set intact."
23 likes:C
Who knew emp went from ytp to amazing videos
3 likesThat movie is only popular in America. I live in Europe and it's totally not a thing here.
1 likeEmp is so underrated
9 likes18:32 wow fast and furious is rly that old?
0 likes1:50 The most savage burn ever in a sponsored bit, I love it!
5 likesThis is all so messed up
0 likesThanks Emp
0 likesLiterally discussed this 2 weeks ago in my film class lol, nice video
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same
0 likesLoL rusty cage hell yeah
1 like3:54 Sounds like right now.
0 likesBack then actor treat lika a rabbit test without care about health. Now CGI is exist so its ok
0 likesaccidentally skipped the first minute cuz i assumed it was a keeps ad........ then it was after i commented
0 likesA new EmpLemon video! OH BOY I HOPE I DON'T GET TRAUMA AFTER WATCHING THIS.
6 likesWhats wacky is that unless someone is watching this at 3x speed, noone currently watching this has seen the entire video yet 👀
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I normally watch videos in multiplied speed, but in this instance I don't, EmpLemon doesn't waste time (besides the sponsored content), which makes it all worthwhile.
2 likesOne doesn’t experience self-transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates 🔻
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whoooooooa
2 likeschange your comments once in a while
0 likesoh what about the dark side of the moon?
0 likesThis ain’t Kansas, because the issues here are unquie to Hollywood.
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It’s worse than hell.
5 likes@Lucifer Satan There are quite literally things worse than hell or death.
4 likesThere are things worse than both heaven and hell.
0 likesHoly shit, this made me sick.
1 likeI'm unsubscribing until you bring back some ytp style with atleast one earrape a video
0 likesVideo Starts at 2:51
4 likesWe got a down bad spiral in your area
0 likesThis is horrific.
1 likeThat sponsor skit in the beginning is so good I didn't want to skip it
6 likesis emplemon's fanbase 80 years old? whats with all the hair ads
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The hair product is there to prevent balding before it's too soon
0 likes@Staringcorgi6 he should promote a product to prevent wrinkles and memory loss while hes at it lol
0 likesAbsolutely Kino
0 likesHoly crap, they don't teach this stuff in school. This is disgusting! Even back in the day Hollyweird is messed up 😡
3 likes16:18
0 likesWhat song is this?
This is the best birthday present I could ever ask for
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Happy birthday
3 likeshappy birthday !
3 likesLucky number 7. Cheers mate.
4 likesHappy Birthday!!
0 likeshappy birthday!
0 likesHappy Birthday
1 likeHappy birthday!
1 likeHey we're birthday neighbors, happy Birthday.
2 likesHappy birthday
0 likesHoly moly its my birthday as well, congrats man 😄
0 likesHappy Birthday
0 likesHappy birthday
0 likeshappy birthday!!
0 likesHappy birthday!!
0 likesHappy birthday to you!
0 likesWhat song is that at 16:30?
0 likesEveryone 👃what certain people run Hollywood.....
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Bruh I knew I'd find this bullshit if I sorted by new lmao
0 likes@Devcron Oy vey
0 likesWake up new emplemon video!!
0 likesFor a moment I wasn't sure if I was watching Emplemon or Solar Sands. The vibes and topics of your vids are very similar, in a good way.
0 likesThis reminds me of the shampoo incident with Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
7 likestruly, a big oof
0 likes🎶Look who's back
58 likesBack again
Look who's back
Tell a friend🎶
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Please stop commenting
1 like@Otto nay thee
1 likeHOLY CRAP LOIS IT'S KUROKI TOMOKO FROM THE WATAMOTE
1 likewhat's the song you play in the beginning
0 likesYay new emp vid
4 likesEdit: Good god this is horrifying to imagine
it's so cool you're bff's with Steve Buscemi
0 likesAll-go-ruthenium
1 likeI have never watched the wizard of oz
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same here
0 likesnice Daft Punk outro song ;)
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That was definitely an 8 bit version of Time by Pink Floyd
0 likes2:50
0 likesCheese and rice!!!
16:17 can anyone tell me what the song is here? ty
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Check the description
0 likesYOUR NAME IS PRONOUNCED EMP LEMON NOT E-M-P LEMON
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short for emperor
0 likes19:42 midi version of Any Colour You Like??
0 likesI’m leaving a comment on the videos I watch and this is a copy paste to make it easier for myself
0 likesAs a Kansan I aM OfFENded
1 likeWe may not be able to live forever, and our struggles definitely won't, but out works just might
3 likesthis is just sad
0 likesThis guy kinda sounds like complaint corner
0 likesThe ironic thing is that I live in Kansas
0 likesCan u just make one bad video....just one....
0 likes''You give up a few things chasing a dream.''
20 likes-Long John Silver ''Treasure Planet'' 2002
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Few?
0 likesYou couldn't even find a real person's quote?
1 likeDoes that make it any less true?
1 like@Deadliest Vice It was a quote written by a real person for a script - is that good enough?
1 like@Granda idk about making it less true, but when applied to a situation like this it sure does romanticize it.
0 likesGymnopedie by Erik Satie, I see you
0 likesWhy are you doing a Chills voice
0 likesYou can see in youtube what is real Hollyhood.
0 likesIn youtube whrite: [Athos the Holy Mountain (Greece) - CBS Documentary]
The Wonderful Bitches Of Oz
0 likesDr. Insano, is that you?
0 likesThe Wiz of Oz Was a Curse 🎥😈👿 ?????
0 likesWhat is the music in 3:43 ?
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Animal Crossing Wild World - Nook's Cranny
2 likesJesus Christ this is brutal
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Excellent but brutal. Great ending.
0 likesNgl, GreenScreen City looks pretty cool
0 likesit's seriously not cool that you are advertising hair loss products. that shit is a fucking scam.
0 likesEpic ad
1 like19:43 any color you like - pink floyd :)
0 likesUnionize now.
0 likesDid the abestos hurt the dog toto?
0 likesI love you electro magnetic pulse lemons
0 likesShout out to maskedman who spent their time making 762 comments
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And you went and counted them???? (Almost a bigger waste of time, sifting through that many comments.)
1 like@Ceice nah haha, if you click a profile in the comment section it tells you
1 like@Multi-Waves Creates Oh does it? haha okay.
1 likeThis further cements the respect I have for actors. I've known many in my life, and always admired the dedication they have to bringing their roles to life. I participated in some school and camp plays in my middle and high school years, and I would always be super intimidated by the more experienced actors, to the point where I eventually felt it was for the best that I close that door and focus on music. I remember thinking at that time about my favorite actors (and even some mediocre ones) and how rigorous their training must have been when they were my age, and aspects of the filming of The Wizard of Oz like the set design and makeup for the Scarecrow, Tinman, Lion and Wicked Witch of the West put it further into perspective on, for as much personal sacrifice was made on their parts, how hard people in this industry go to achieve the perfect end result that we see.
2 likesThought provoking...
0 likesThat ending caught me by surprise.
the growth of your storytelling skills truly is on that upward vortex, keep it up!!
To this day, I have not seen the original 1939 Oz film, and with the knowledge I’ve had for years of the horrific treatment near-enough all the actors were given, I don’t think I ever will to be honest because those deeply uncomfortable details will always be in the back of my mind.
1 likeSame reason why I refuse to see the Paramount Sonic movie after the sheer hell the Visual Effects team most definitely went through during the character redesign crunch, not to mention the legion of disgustingly ignorant Sonic-Tubers egging on Paramount to excruciating work the VFX team to fix the mistake the directors and marketing executives themselves made in the first place.
I think, in honor of Jonas Neubauer, you should do a never ever episode about him. Not many people know about the tetris competitive scene, and I think it would be cool to introduce it, as well as its greatest character, to the mainstream audience. Just an idea.
2 likesI can't help but feel empty after watching this, a lot to reflect on.
0 likesAnother amazing video.
If I’m being honest, if I was forced to watch the Wizard of Oz or “the closest thing to hell for the actors” or Snow White. I’d pick Snow White. Also I’m surprised there was no mention to that infamous rumor thing about one of the munchkins hanging himself in the background on one of the scenes.
1 likeI think a great example of how this is still happening in Hollywood is Brendan Fraser. In the 90's and early 2000's, the man was on top of the world. Hit after hit, the public adoring him and he couldn't do any wrong. Then, due to a number of factors, including his wife divorcing him and taking a lot of his money, a lot of stunt work piling up over the years straining his body, and a major Hollywood executive molesting him, Fraser dropped off the map and had basically disappeared. Luckily, he's partially come back, but for some a big actor, people moved on so quickly, and Hollywood especially moved on from him.
0 likesPeople's talent being exploited for money is always sad. I'm glad conditions for actors are so much better nowdays
1 likeOnce I was on layover at a Greyhound bus station. I got there right around 8pm and the TVs were tuned to TBS, and what did they start playing that night at 8? The Wizard of Oz. I sat on a bench to watch it since I had an hour before I was to continue along my journey. But then, during a commercial break, I looked around and saw almost everyone in the terminal watching along. People from all walks of life, all races, rich and poor, young and old, were watching this seemingly ancient movie together. I still reflect on it as one of the best moments of humanity I’ve seen, to rally around a movie and a story so transcendent.
0 likesIf anyone ever wonders why the film industry has so many unions representing it's workers you need only look back at productions like this to understand why. Hollywood was and for the most part still is a breading ground for greed, ego's, and abuse. I seriously wanted to make movies when I was in my early 20s. I was ready to go to film school, work my way up. Put in my hours as an production assistant. But I ultimately didn't go for it. And about 3 months after I decided not to go to film school the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke. I realize now I made the right call. That's not something I want to be a part of.
0 likesThe ending...bro this has been my creed for a long time. Creation is in some ways the greatest human virtue for that reason, you are leaving your mark on the world.
1 likeYou can still create legendary monuments of culture without doing it unethically. The fact that we are conditioned to believe that only coercion and extreme exploitation can achieve true wonders of culture speaks much for our history.
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Do you have an example of legendary moments that didn't involve a lot of human suffering?
1 likeI wish I could give every one of these actors a big hug.
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As horrible as what they want through was, they weren't squeaky clean themselves. As some comments point out (and what emp forgot to include in the video) was that they were all rather abusive, pompous and (for lack of a better term) ageist toward Judy Garland off-stage, and were very angry that she, a young girl, was the one with the leading role.
0 likesAmazing video ad great insight into what is referred to as the golden age of Hollywood.
0 likesI HEAR what you did at the end Emp. Nicely done!
0 likesAnother absolute banger of a video. Keep up the good work!
0 likesThe 2nd movement Beethoven's Symphony No. 7, which is used in this video, is also used prominently in the film Zardoz, which derives its title from (hold for anticipation) The Wizard of Oz. I really hope that was unintentional, but it's still cool if it wasn't.
0 likesExcellent work dude! I'd love to see you do something on the history of flight someday...
0 likesholy crap, emp... your content only gets better. I'd love to see you make a video on dr.strangelove sometime
0 likesWhile I agree art itself should not be made safe and easily digestible, the pursuit of art should always require safety to those involved.
0 likesThe most famous and regarded films and auteurs often have these terrible stories attached because the pursuit for the desired vision overshadows any and all else. Alfred Hitchcock once said that "actors should be treated like cattle," which is an incredibly demeaning mindset to actual human beings. Actors should not endure being assaulted, battered, or sometimes dying just for the art. NO ONE should have to die for art.
great vid emp, always to be expected from you
0 likesI love how Rusty Cage is now just the YouTube cameo man
0 likes6 min in and I’m already starting get giddy. How do you make my brain do this about things like super smash bros, nascar, and the wizard of oz. it’s almost like you trigger some sort of pseudo nostalgia I have for these things. I’m aware of all of them, not in a way that make me even a fan of any of them. Idk. It’s an odd phenomenon but you make me feel like I cared about things I hardly ever knew. Looking for the right words to describe it. Idk. I’m gonna keep watching. I have to now.
0 likesPeople may not know their names, that doesn't mean they aren't acknowledged and remembered as the ones who gave life to iconic cultural icons on the big screen.
0 likesPhenomenal work Emp.
0 likesKids: Downward spiral! Downward spiral!
1 likeGrandpa: I watched Emplemon too when I was your age, you know.
Kids: Who is Emplemon?
Return to Oz too has a similar amount of shnanigans going for it. Looks like these movies just tend to tear people apart.
1 liketldr: EmpLemon is attempting to gain immortality via the power of these artful masterpieces that are his videos
0 likesHell isn't the fire and brimstone portrayed in the Bible, it's working on the Wizard of Oz but the director is never satisfied with the take he got.
1 likeI love that 8-bit version of any colour you like. My favorite song from that album
0 likesWhat? Now we're talking about Downward Spiral of Hollywood?
0 likesAlright, I'm down for this.
I fucking love Rusty Cage ❤️
0 likesI think you might be the best creator on youtube. Bravo
0 likesgood to see the fast and furious franchise has been going on since 1939
0 likesThis is such an EmpLemon video and I love it
0 likesthat was insane, definitely video of the year material
0 likesanother masterpiece Mr. Emp
0 likesAbsolute banger, with so many mixed emotions, words cannot describe.
0 likesWhat's this? Another EmperorLemon video within 3 weeks? I must be dreaming!
0 likesI love the use of Dark Side of the Moon here
0 likesThat intro was beautiful
1 likeLove me some rusty lemon
EmpLemon is on a new level.
0 likesyour taste in vaporwave is absolutely spot on
0 likesfantastic content, tragic story
0 likesyour videos are so good bro, cheers!
0 likesIm lucky that I'm mediocre at everything. Brilliant people suffer more than mediocre ones.
0 likesGreat video as always.
0 likesEmpLemon Talking about the disgusting history of the Wizard of Oz movie which is also one of my favorite novel series?!?!
0 likesHeck Yeah
'The Dark Side of Hollywood'? I think you mean just Hollywood. As always your research is excellent though.
0 likesThe famous philosopher Stevo O also talks about films being his religion as a way of achieving immortality.
0 likesMaybe google what MaCauley Culkin actually has to say about his past before using him as an example of a child star who went on a downhill spiral?
0 likes"[...] no, I was not pounding six grand of heroin every month or whatever. The thing that bugged me was tabloids wrapping it all in this weird guise of concern. No, you’re trying to shift papers.”
Otherwise, good video, just gotta stop being such a bleeding heart sometimes and show people real respect :x
wow. amazing thank you for another amazing vid emp <3
0 likesHave never watched the film, but after this, I don’t think I wanna.
1 likewonder what kind of things are going on right now inside Hollywood
0 likesWoow, just woow, the cript, the edit, the music, this video is a nice work of art too
0 likesBtw giza was built by conscripted farmers so basically slaves considering the pharaoh was a god-king and the alternative was to not go to heaven
1 likeMy man's really made the "would you rather a world with our without pyramids in it" from The Wind Rises at the end.
0 likesthis video was so scary, a real eye opener...
0 likesNow THAT is how you do an ad read.
1 likeHospital owners after inventing The Wizard of Oz: 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑💰💰💰💰💰🧾🧾🧾🧾💵💵💵💵💵
0 likesHopefully my liking of Wizard of Oz won't get tarnished after this video...
0 likes:')
When you suddenly heart War Thunder music and your personal classic music
0 likesI don’t think this showed up in my subscriptions becuase I would have watched it 16 hours ago. On the plus side, it hit my recommended, thats where I found this, this morning. So it’s getting recommended 👍
0 likesI still never watched The Wizard of Oz
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ok
33 likesWatch the pink floyd music mashup.
30 likesI think it's called the dark side of oz.
who asked
22 likesLiar
2 likes@Dudeist Preist I did that the very first time I smoked weed. It was mind blowing at the time. Lol
6 likesBecause of that experience, I have always put trippy synchronicities like that in my own edits.
Speaking of synchronicity: I'm an ordained Dudeist priest and my last edit starts with the Dude's dream sequence. Lmao
that the equviment of a sci fi fan never seeing star wars
3 likesI didn’t see it until much much later and that’s probably because the movie isn’t so popular in Sweden. None of my friends really watched it either.
0 likesMi 2
1 likeIt’s my mother’s favorite movie, I wonder if she knows what happened to make the movie possible.
0 likesMovie seasons
0 likesSome never will.
0 likes@Cliche Guevara first time I watched Dark Side of the Rainbow was after my grandpa’s funeral. It was on Memorial Day of all days years back, and had military honors for the time he served. Enough about that stuff... I wasn’t high. But I was tired, starting to drift. The sun was setting. It was a horrifying but psychedelic experience.
0 likesIt isn't good
0 likesNext you'll say you've never seen Forest Gump.
0 likesWell, what are you waiting for? Have a look at it; you'll be glad you did.
0 likes@A Crazy Sheep Dog Not nearly as much as the rumormongers would have you believe.
0 likesSame lol
1 like@Eric Schnautz Get yer skates on, pal!
0 likesGlad I'm not the only one... Phew
0 likes@E drop What are you waiting for? Judy Garland would wonder why you haven't.
0 likesIt's a good movie, a classic
0 likes@ranchies you
0 likessame.
0 likes@Jhonel Ola • ᜇ᜔ᜌᜓᜈᜒᜎ᜔ ᜂᜎ Do! You'll enjoy it.
0 likes@Dudeist Preist it’s dark side of the rainbow
0 likesDamn, you've become soo good!
0 likesthis is the man that made 'the uncredibles'
0 likesThis reminds me of the filming of 1983s The Twilight Zone with the helicopter explosion incident, the filming of The Exoricst, the way James Cameron treats his actors The Abyss and Titanic and Brandon Lee's incident in the filming of The Crow. I think one of the biggest tragedies in Hollywood history and the biggest waste of potential was what they did to Orson Welles, how he spent his career being forced into the Downward Spiral and how they completely blacklisted him from making movies or having resources to do so, they effectively sabotaged his career for 25 years and prevented him from doing anything more than detective crime thrillers after The Magnificent Ambersons, that's a fucking crime against art.
1 likeHollywood for all their socially liberal, progressive ideals they will always end when it interferes with their profit margins and they're always pushing racist and sexist stereotypes. It's always nothing more than a complete bullshit PR smokescreen much like the green curtain. It is still the most sexist industry there is, what other industry could get away with paying female employees 24.8% of what they pay their male counterparts, telling female staff that they need to shut up, stop saying their opinions, posing them naked in a lineup taking a photo of them and using it for motivation for them to lose weight, stealing their ideas and taking credit for it, stripped from being in the list of names on a project, etc.
What a lot of people might not know is that actress Clara Blandick who played Aunt Em in The Wizard of OZ killed herself few years after the film came out , she died in 1962
0 likesYour videos are awesome.
0 likesThere will NEVER be an album like DSOTM
0 likesI hate how people look at these stories as a powerful victory steeming from hard work, when all the suffering was for nothing and not necessary at all.
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It’s easy to say that when you not the one doing the heavy lifting.. people never respect the effort or sacrifice.. the only see the results and that’s what matters for them most of the time..
0 likesIs that "Any Colour You Like" in 8-bit at the end? That's my favorite song of all time
0 likesNice job slipping in that "Any Colour You Like" 8-bit at the end. What part does that sync up with again?
0 likesYo, Don't let them Retcon that hanging munchkin or whatever the fuck it was in the background. I can promise you it looked NOTHING like that bird they are trying to pass it off as in newer videos. I was shown a very old video of the movie when I was in school and whatever the hell was back there really did look like a man swinging back and forth and yet they wiped it in updated versions which makes me more suspicious because they are trying to tell people. "Na... see.... it was a bird we had on set, that's all it ever was" which I can promise you is a complete and utter load of bullshit
1 likeNice addition of pink Floyd at the end there love your videos literally watched dale Earnhardt video at least 100 times no lie
0 likesFun fact :
0 likesThe wiked witch is actually yellow but your monitor has a problem.
Any Colour You Like at the end was a very nice final touch!
0 likesWaking up at 4 isn't the bad part you just have to get used to that, but you can't get used to 7 p.m.
0 likesGod dammit this video is so good.
0 likesthis man releases only hits.
0 likesEmplemon back again with another fucking banger of a video.
0 likes16:20 Ohh nice, I was so glad to hear music from my favourite point and click game! :)
0 likes15:35 Hey, at least Mac got a gig with the famous celebrity Rich Evans.
0 likesAt least Buddy Ebsen got to play Jed Clampett on the Beverly Hillbillies for 9 Seasons.
0 likesSurprised you didn’t talk about the stuff the munchkins got up to 😳
0 likesSimply incredible
0 likesAlt title: why unions are needed
1 likeTe olvidaste de algunos suicidos de actores y extras :(
0 likesGood to see that mumkey isnt the only ome still making rusty cage jokes
0 likesEmpLemon pls Do a There may never ever be another man like JESUS CHRIST!! Episode
0 likes"The set was over 100 degrees Fahrenheit"
6 likesTexans: those are rookie numbers
going to set at 4 am is a movie law bro!!!!!and actors leave at 7 the rest of us leave at 11 - 12 .... with love a picture car coordinator!
0 likesThat 8 bit pink floyd at the end tho hittin
0 likes19:43 lol i see what you did there. very nice
0 likesthat 8bit Any Colour you like really hit the spot
0 likesKinda takes the magic outta things doesnt it?
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I much prefer Return to Oz.
1 likeOnly OG's remember the original title
0 likesMy mouth was open for almost all of the video.
0 likesFound you from bank standing podcast, subbing for sure
0 likesNice video naming, people looking up wizard of oz and dark side of the moon will find your video. Smart
0 likesDamn that was depressing
0 likesThe Any Colour You Like 8bit at the end is so cool too
0 likeshow is this movie even legal?
1 likethe pyramid section hit different after watching that futurama episode
0 likesIs EmpLemon just Rusty Cage????? T h e o r y
0 likesthe egyptian blocks were not carried but a substance that hardened in the sun, this is also a farce of makebelief.
0 likesAny colour you like at the end, incredible :)
1 likeThe downward spiral continues.
0 likes"Swing, Bobby, swing!"
0 likesImma be real, at first I thought the title was a Pink Floyd reference
0 likesThat add was amazing
0 likesAnd people only focus on the Hangman fiasco during filming.
0 likesI don't think I can ever watch this movie again
0 likes@16:48 Gee, blacklisting existing in Hollywood, before McCarthy? Say it ain't so, comrades.
0 likesWake up the house we got another EMPLEMON VIDEO
0 likesMake a bad video, Emp. I bet you can't do it.
0 likesMy great grandma died from alztimers she never could remember me or anyone
0 likesreally good video.
0 likesI noticed MGM made Fast and Furious in 1939. I wonder what that is.
0 likes800 dollars in 1930 would be close to 12 thousand dollars today. It doesn't make the accident okay, but a little more bearable than just getting 800 dollars.
0 likesMy only complaint...is that this video was too short.
0 likes"There's no bus' like show bus' "
0 likesThanks for the video.
0 likesi cringed so hard through out the video. brutal af
0 likesHuwhoaa I think this lemon guy had been watching a few too many Nova docs huh
0 likesGood shit, thanks downward spiral.
0 likesI enjoyed any colour you like playing at the very end
0 likesthe algorithm will go apeshit, I’m calling it
0 likesemp does it again
0 likesIsn't all of Hollywood dark?
0 likesHoney!!!! EmpLemon uploaded I’m not going to work today!
0 likesOld school actors ingesting harmful chemicals to nail a character, while these days actors can't even handle quarantine without acting like they're being subjected to prison isolation torture.
3 likesi liked as soon as i saw downward spiral warning
0 likesAnother great video no surprise
0 likesGreat video
0 likessister has orange rings around her irises as if she has copper toxicity, but she has none of the other symptoms of it
0 likesHollywood? More like Hollywoodn’t.
0 likesBabe wake up, new EmpLemon video
1 likeThere was a light side to hollywood?
0 likesCommenting so i can remember that i was here before Emp fixed the typo in the thumbnail from "An" to and "And"
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ironically enough you made the opposite type and said "and" instead of "an" in ""An" to an "And""
5 likesand ironically ironically enough, i said "type" instead of "typo", remarkable.
5 likes@HandsomeMadMario Fascinating
2 likesAsbestos used for the snow special effect? Jesus fucking Christ.
0 likesHow ironic the book is the greatest example of body horror.
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huh
0 likesWhat?
0 likes@Pop is Dead is a good song it’s just interesting because the books are very dark and I’m comparing the darkness of them to the story emp is telling.
0 likes@Logan LaBach No no, not that, I get that, but your comment made no grammatical sense.
0 likesAnother example of accidents during filming was when Tom baker fell into a lake in one of the episodes of dr who and got sick from the water he fell in.
0 likesIgnoring the strong impact of Judy Garland on the gay community is just bizarre to me. A LOT of people knew about her for much longer than when she died...?
0 likesChiptune Any Colour You Like is just what i needed this morning
0 likesI am a simple man. I see emp video I click.
19 likes18:30 yup that’s a yellow horse
0 likesNo idea what the video is about yet, but i'm super glad i clicked so fast
6 likesDay 7 of asking EmpLemon for Lighting McQueer and the quest for tires 2
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You’re gonna be askin a long time
7 likes@Think I.O.T.B. ain't never gonna stop
2 likesReject Frying Dory. Return to Lightning McQueer.
5 likes@The Alien Tree you are a gigachad
0 likesHere when "The Wizard of Oz an the Dark Side of Hollywood"
10 likesYou are quite the speaker.
0 likesDont forget the munchkins
0 likesI know all of us clicked the moment we got the notifaction.
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only because there was a typo
0 likes@chromosoze yeah
0 likes@chromosoze it's still there, wonder how long is it going to take
0 likes@TompyCZ fr i took a screenshot of it before it gets edited
0 likes16:20 I only remember this background song from mother 3 if you know you know
3 likesI was just squealing in delight because Act Man just uploaded a new video like 5 minutes ago and now there’s a new EmpLemon video too?! This is a great day for YouTube.
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Never heard of em. Gonna check him out.
0 likesYouTube Poops to this masterpiece.
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*masterpiece to masterpiece
0 likesTin mans pubic hair would just be one of those scrubby things used in cleaning dishes
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@Conner Gilby yes
0 likes18:42
0 likesY o u h a v e a m e d i c a l d i s o r d e r
“Hollywoo” - Bojack Horseface
72 likesFilthy self promotion: (I make videos of my cat dim and he’s pretty cute)
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Hollywouldn't
6 likesHollywon't
4 likesHollyhock?
3 likes@Pepperonin yee
0 likesNormal Words
1 likeNORMAL WORDS
2 likesBUT A HORSE GUY
emp whered the 1 hour cut go???
0 likesHere during the typo
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lmao an. how'd he miss that?
1 likeSame here.
0 likesHere
0 likes@NNapples he missed Tacoma Speeway on the never ever nascar video
2 likesyeee
0 likes@A cat with a fancy hat damn both times they were one missing "d"
3 likesYeah we all are
0 likesSame
0 likesSame my guy
0 likesI was there
0 likesEmpLemon likes to forget the D,
0 likesif you know what I'm saying :P
typo gang
0 likessameeeee
0 likesAn
0 likesme too lmaoo
0 likes@A cat with a fancy hat lol i wonder if he does it on purpose
0 likesno place like hollywood
0 likesHere while the typo is till here “an”
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Same
1 likeYup
2 likesSame
0 likes20:25 they were VOLUNTEERS?
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Yes
1 likeNo it was more like there job
0 likesYa that's what it sayed
0 likesYes emplemon posted
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John
0 likesUh yeah
0 likesLast time I was this early the pianist had all his hair.
4 likesWizard of Oz production crew responsible for terrible working conditions
3 likesDirector - Victor Fleming (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
Producer - Mervyn Leroy (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
Cinematography - Harold Rosson (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
MGM executives who didn't care whether actors were safe or not
Marcus Loew (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
Samuel Goldwyn (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
Louis B Mayer (𝐉𝐞𝐰)
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real
0 likesplease tell me this is a joke 💀
0 likesan
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Ok
1 likeTrue
1 likegood video
1 likegood video
0 likesLMAO Cosby
1 likeMaskedman666 why do you like this movie and act like nothings wrong with it
2 likesAll of this is awful
1 likeBuT ThE SiMpSoNs ArE YeLLoW
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Good point
0 likesA monument
0 likesThe first 3 minutes was so obnoxious
0 likesWhat’s the music at 10:00
0 likesSuffering for their art
1 likeSounds right.
Hey empleamon can you do Roblox has been downward spiral because that's good video idea I think
0 likesnew emplemon video 😩😩
0 likesCan you make a video about youtube beta and youtube shorts?
0 likesOh my god...
0 likescapitalism be like
0 likesI got an ad for wicked on this video
0 likesFunny
Skip to 2:50
0 likesSo good ty
0 likesBABE WAKE UP NEW EMPLEMON UPLOAD
0 likesgreenscreen city :D
1 like8 blocks
1 likeSpots after 2 and after 6
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Note : 2 and make a right
0 likesThis isn’t frying dory?!
0 likes12:25 inflation adjusted? because if not then 825$ would be around 15.000$ today
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@Potto no but it's still a lot more than 825$
0 likesI won't say that you're lying, but I will say that considering how condescending you've been since 2016, I'm pretty sure the only reason you're telling people this is to purposefully ruin it for everyone and destroy all of their childhood memories.
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Or maybe, just maybe, he's trying to move on and be a different person.
0 likeswhat?
1 likeMaybe just maybe he considers this an interesting topic???
0 likes@lol I’m saying this because he’s been very condescending to us and treating his fans like they’re idiots, and sending all of his fanboys to spam downward spiral never ogre comments every time someone’s not a fan of his memes (at least it SEEMS like he’s the one sending them) so I’m pretty sure he’s making this video for the sole purpose of proving to us that we shouldn’t like this movie.
0 likes@meta527II when did he do that?
0 likesCommodity culture.
0 likes"We can only wonder if science or religion will ever help us achieve eternal life"
0 likesI'm gonna take a gander at this conundrum Holmes and wager it's the one that tries to digitize a consciousness and not the one which tries to bargain with an imaginary being hiding, invisibly, somewhere, presumably
umm fast and furious came out in 1939?
0 likesI feel like crying, this is horrible
0 likesPoor Toto
0 likesMY HAAAAIIIR BRUUUUUUUUSSSHHHH
0 likes18:45 that music... https://youtu.be/CoF42UppkI4 i knew i recognized it
0 likesHollyweird be changing people
0 likesMiss ytp
0 likesMasterful as always, Emp. Thank you for your originality and painstaking focus on producing content of the highest quality.
0 likesThis is fantastic, I'm honestly blown away at how fantastic your work has become.
0 likesI got curious and looked up other videos on YouTube discussing the awful shit these actors went through. In videos discussing these controversies, there's this one no-profile dude in every video and every comment section on a one-man crusade to vehemently deny any and all claims that anything even remotely bad happened on the set of this film. I can only assume some people just can't come to terms with the fact that their favorite childhood film reveals just how heartless and ruthless Hollywood has and always will be.
2 likeslove these documentary videos, it's cool that you make videos on whatever you find interesting, no matter what your audience thinks.
0 likesListening to the emotional parts about Judy garland really hurt to hear.
1 likeEverything you said is the same way I feel.
You know let me say, for all the bad, the movie is still an absolute masterpiece. It was awful but I appreciate the work they did.
0 likesAll of the things that happened to these people on set were avoidable with a little more careful planning and concern, but they were in a rush to get their Prestige picture ready and finished.
1 likeWhat Am I willing to sacrifice to be a small part of someone else's grand plan? Not permanent damage to my health, because we all have to make the best out of the time we have here right now.
A pyramid took decades to build and I am certain they had more rigorous health and safety than a profit driven studio in the 30's.
Man you are truly a remarkable youtuber... I subed to you since de YTP days and watching you evolve has been a great experience. Every time I see an upload from your channel it gets a smile on my face, keep up the amazing work!
0 likeslove these tragic stories behind movies. do more!
0 likesEmp doesn’t fail to ever empress me
0 likesKeep up the videos man
👍🏼
Very tasteful choice of "Any Color You Like" as the outro song. Loved that. So much work is put into these videos, truly thank you Emp :)
0 likesOne could've easily made this great film without torturing actors. I appreciate your emphasis on art but the last few minutes of this video suggesting "it was worth it" is worthy of hatred.
0 likesThe Wizard of Oz is one of my favorite movies. Nice to see you covering it.
0 likesNone of this sounds particularly dark compared to other films produced around that era or even later. The only thing that actually sounds messed up was what happened to Margaret Hamilton, Betty Danko, and Judy Garland. The Lion, Scarecrow, and yes even the Tin Man seem insignificant in comparison to literally setting fire to and blowing up two of your damned actors, and turning a third into a neurotic addict.
0 likesEmp could find a way to make a reading of the full dictionary interesting.
1 likeI love how you used music from Darkside of the moon. That’s a really clever reference to the Darkside of the moon Wizard of Oz theory
0 likesThis video has ruined every delightful memory of my watching The Wizard of Oz. It's a relief to know that THIS type of abuse couldn't happen today...?
0 likesAnother home run by the Emperor. Great stuff.
0 likesI had a feeling you’d make a subtle reference to “The Dark side of the Rainbow” before clicking the video. When I saw the rainbow over the pyramid and heard the 8 bit rendition of “Any Colour you like”, I had a nice laugh.
0 likesPersonally I don't think any damage to the mind/body is worth immortality. It's not just Hollywood where overworking people and not treating them right is a huge problem, I mean just look at the horror stories that come out of places like Amazon.
0 likesThe builders of the pyramids... uh... "volunteered" their labor like one "donates" their money for taxes or one "volunteers" for the draft. They were corvee laborers which meant they were peasants who were conscripted into the labor force as a means of paying taxes.
0 likesWhether or not it's considered slavery is pretty subjective, but it is almost always considered some form of unfree labor.
So the most skilled stonecutters from around went ahead and volunteered among thousands of helping hands to erect the most interesting structure put together by mankind. Huh, that's nice. You just changed my perspectives on the possible impacts of volunteering efforts and I thought they were high.
0 likesSo how come we all nowadays can't get our shit together and pull something like this off willingly?
The 8bit version of "Any color you'd like" at the end is a godly touch Emp
0 likesNonono. Their suffering contributed nothing. It was a result of uncaring studios and primitive (by modern standards) technology. No way did suffering those suits, toxic makeup, and insane diets actually made the movie BETTER or made those actors perform better. Are you insane, Emp??
2 likesEmporer Lemon. Thanks for everything man. You really make youtube an awesome place for me.
0 likesThis guy had to have wrote some incredible essays
0 likesJesus, I just never knew how dark filming this movie was.
1 likeI really enjoy the effort and points you bring up in your vids, have you considered doing a vid where you show us your subs, that would be interesting, as I'm trying to find good content creators as you suggested.
0 likesI was expecting a video about The Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd, but instead got a much deeper story
2 likesJust wanted to say one thing. After watching your video on Dale Earnhardt and Nascar, I had ZERO interest in that topic. Now I really love it. Thanks man
0 likesActors and Actresses are always stereotypically perceived as stuck up and arrogant. But now I have to wonder if a good deal of it comes from them refusing to do similar veins of insanity that the Wizard of Oz people had to put up with. And considering all of the mental gymnastics they probably go through speaks to how top actors are seen as disagreeable and uncaring. I guess it comes down to the realization that we are all people and people can forget it from both angles.
0 likesKnowing the behind-the-scenes now makes it completely reasonable to see why people would think a Munchkin extra committed suicide on-set
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That would’ve been far less bad than what actually happened if it was true. At least that munchkin wouldn’t have had to endure the torture I’m sure he would’ve otherwise.
0 likesDespite the fact that i believe it’s a hoax, i guess it would make sense why someone would believe it now. I’m surprised the hanging munchkin thing is still talked about, since I always thought that everyone was over it.
0 likesIt gets even darker when you learn of the occult symbolism and the connections to trauma based mind control aka Project MK Ultra. Only in an upside down world would a film made through pain and used to cause more, be still shown to children or anyone.
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take your meds please
0 likes@ergwertgesr5th ehwe5hwe5j5we You understand that MK Ultra is a real declassified project right?
1 likeDo we accept contemptible hardheartedness as necessary for success? I wonder why.
0 likesRecall the wonderful scene from the film Patch Adams where Patch confronts his roommate Mitch's hatred and ends with his delivery of the immortal line:
"You know, I forget how young you are, Mitch, that you think you have to be a prick to get things done, and that you actually think that's a new idea."
An 8-bit version of “Any Colour You Like” by Pink Floyd as the outro? You sir, are the man 👍
0 likesMr. Lemon, I swear your videos get better with each post.
0 likesI just found out about State of the Youtube today, then I learn about everything happening with it and emp leaving. At least I got a new video from him to ease the pain
0 likesSadly a lot of the best works of art are brought out of human suffering.
0 likesFavorite day of the month when emp uploads
0 likesNever gave a fuck about the movie (loved the books though), but this video got me glued to the screen. Same as your Nascar works. As for me, I don't put art on a pedestal and don't believe in self-sacrifice, or any kind of human sacrifice for that matter. Nowadays, many people condemn sacrifice in the name of some nation, say, during a war, but they somehow think that doing the same for entertainment is fine. This is ridiculously stupid.
0 likesthat was an amazing ending
0 likesAnother amazing video emp! I prefer pretty much any other topic then Nascar!
0 likes"Fortune, fame.
1 likeMirror vain.
gone insane.
but the memory remains"
-Jimmy "OOOH Myeahyeah" Hetfield
And to think, Hollywood was only getting started.
1 likeEmplime coming out with another banger of a video!
1 likeI’m Glad to see emp uploading again
0 likesI watch an old episode again yesterday and let it behold EmpLemon delivers again not a day later!
0 likesThis whole video was “but wait, it gets worse!”
1 likeGreat video, idrk what to say but I’m commenting for engagement because more people deserve to see this
1 likeDoes having a full head of hair make it impossible for you to make a video that even somewhat sucks?
0 likesVideo starts at 2:50
1 likeI didn't even know I was watching an ad before it was too late. Well done.
0 likesWhoa there I didn’t need an existential crisis like that at the end
0 likesThe Tin Man was my first role in a musical.
0 likesAnother masterpiece!!!..
0 likesyou are talented...
New EmpLemon video, time to drop everything and watch!
0 likesthe emergency alert system scene triggers me alot lmao
0 likesThat's how you do an intro ad...make it seem like it's not an ad until over two minutes in.
0 likesWhat’s the point of living forever if that’s all that comes of my life?
1 likeIs it me or when you look at the thumbnail even if it’s 2 photos tapped together it’s genius
1 likeHow could you not have talked about the little person who hung themselves on set??
0 likesWhat a nice way to kick off the end of my first year of college.
0 likesYeah.....it's hard to find refuge in fantasy when the people making the fantasies want to be bring all the troubles you were leaving at the door in with you. Then has the audacity to insult you for wanting a reprieve.
0 likesTook nearly 20 minutes until the inevitable dark side of the moon reference you cheeky bastard.
0 likesThat’s what the romans thought about immortality to be remembered in history
0 likesI didn't realise this was an emplemon video until the "downward spiral alert" and had to do a double take
0 likesIn regards to the ending, these people's suffering was not necessary because it gave them "eternal life" through art. Even our greatest acts will become less than a footnote in galactic history.
0 likes8-bit dark side of the moon as an outro? Emp, I always knew we'd be friends
1 likeEmp's ad reads can rival Internet Historian's
0 likesI saw the notification for this upload just minutes after watching The Truman Show, of all things. That is some of the most uncanny coincidental timing I've experienced as of late.
0 likesof course another masterpiece. what a surprise
0 likesman Macaulay Culkin really went downhill after Mike Stoklasa got him addicted to ketamine
0 likestell me where to get that 8-bit 'any colour you like' track please !
0 likesalso amazing video as always man. the wait is worth it every time
And I will never look at this movie the same:)
1 likeLegit tho finasteride and minoxidil are great products wish I’d found them earlier
0 likeshollywood today is kind of a joke, when is the last time any good movies came out? or people were excited to go see the movies? the oscars had their lowest ratings ever, movies are more about politics than entertainment, ironically when i hear about the newest movies coming out, I go online to look for some distraction from those movies, like anime or other forms of animation, they at least tell a story worth watching and effects that are impressive.
0 likesOf course this is released the same week as all the crazy tornado activity in the southeast.
0 likesI pooped real hard that my butt hurts so I watched this instead of doing activities just lying down watching this eating my fingernails it was better than doing the activities.
1 likeNow try the "Blart Side of The Mall"
1 likeHoly shit I can never watch this movie again
2 likesamazing video as always
0 likesDid you make that thumbnail? It’d be awesome as a poster!
0 likesGosh you’re still improving.
0 likesGood day when emp drops one
0 likesDark side of Hollywood implies that there is a light side.
0 likesClever how you put Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd at 21:03
2 likesAnother banger from Emp.
0 likes“I’ve won, But at what cost...”- Wario
0 likesthere will Never Ever be another rock band like Genesis
0 likesI would love to do that one, or help.
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Although you’d probably get called an EmpLemon clone for it, I’d encourage you to work on that yourself if you truly want to talk about why you think Genesis is a unique presence among its contemporaries.
0 likesPersonally if I were to make a Never Ever on something it’d probably be FFVII, and if when EmpLemon eventually does a video game and it’s not that one, I’ll probably go through with it.
14:43 They turned me down now I live my nightmare.
0 likesFrank Baums niece (I think) and the inspiration for Dorothy, is buried in my home town of Bloomington Illinois
1 likeSuch an uncanny song Granpa Remembers is, it’s amazing, just like this video
1 likeOrson Welles monologue on Chartres Cathedral from F For Fake should be watched by everyone after seeing this video.
0 likesFine work here.
The oh mighty one has returned to bless once again.
0 likesDorothy Gale had silver slippers not ruby as in the movies. The Silver slippers on the Yellow (Gold) represents silver being the the better of the standards.
0 likesAlmost made me care about actors
0 likesAmazing as always
0 likesMy day was pretty bad until I saw this video on the recommendations.
0 likesI've never heard anyone pronounce Sepia as "Seepia"
0 likesThe dark side of Hollywood? Isn't that just Hollywood?
0 likesI like the theme of your videos lately.
0 likesPrestige...
You missed talking about the munchkin that killed themself
0 likes2:52 vid starts, your welcome
0 likesI see Emp post. I like the video.
0 likesI’m a simple man.
R.I.P rusty cage
0 likesYou’re the only YouTuber whose ads I watch
0 likesWOOHOO NEW EMPLEMON VIDEO!!!
0 likesThis would make Captain Disillusion proud.
0 likesit's hollywood so the higher ups probably thought it was funny
0 likesThis didn't even scratch the surface, the sexual abuse Judy Garland went through is horrid.
0 likesYet another reason to prefer animation over live action.
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wait until you hear about how animators get treated
0 likesAnd this is why we stick to CGI now a days
0 likesI have a theory, that munchkin did not kill himself.
0 likesHe was murdered!
THE SIMPSONS OF HAIR LOSS.
0 likeslol, a dark side of the moon song in the wizard of oz video. nice
0 likesDark side of holloywood? Bro the whole things the dark side!
0 likesboomers be like yee back in my day we had coper poisoning
0 likesI, No Shit, just watched Judy Garlands biopic a couple days ago and what a wild ass thing hollywood was.
0 likes19:44 I had a feeling I would hear Pink Floyd in this video
0 likessick usage of any color you like at the end
0 likesbest ad ever. And that transition! mmwah*
0 likessorry but whats a symptom of hairloss? isnt it just hair loss?
0 likesSuper Mario Bros. got nothing on this.
0 likesWizard without a cause
0 likesOnly creator I 👍 before I even watch the video
0 likesdamn.. I hate movies even more now. ty
2 likes3 whole minutes of ad. please dont do this emp
0 likes17:00
1 likeNice (-(-(-)-)-) moment
Can’t believe this guy made ytps
0 likesAmazing video
0 likesI think I have that same shower curtain
0 likesSo is this video about human trafficking?
0 likes10:56 the original Two-Face
0 likesGood video.
0 likesTornados are an upward spiral tho
0 likesDownward Spiral Warning. Clever boy...
0 likesThe film production was literally cancer.
0 likesYour ads are approaching Internet Historian tier
0 likesahh the darks side of the moon at the end of the video made it fhkin perfecf
0 likesNew emp lemon video!
0 likesIf anyone haven’t seen it, bbc did a movie and Julia and it’s really good shows have her early career basically Scarred her for life really sad
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It’s on prime video
0 likesNice outro, any color you like~ Pink Floyd
0 likesGet to the point already!
0 likesThe is an incredible video
0 likesBeautiful
1 likePᴇᴅᴏᴡᴏᴏᴅ reference passing through, nothing to see here folks
1 likeWake up babe, new EmpLemon video
0 likesDo you watch dark side of the ring lemon?
0 likesyo what up youtubers. any single moms against rusty cage out there?
0 likesSee a emplemon vid I'm watching it
0 likesI will never see this movie the same.. ppl should just stick to animation instead
0 likesI will never see this movie the same.. ppl should just stick to animation instead
0 likesYeah this is why I refuse to watch it for the rest of my life.
0 likesThank God
1 likeThis video just depressed me.
0 likesFuck.
Got very close to talking about Pink Floyd but didnt
0 likesthe real OtakuVS is a supporter of this channel?
0 likesJesus christ, this is beyond fucked up. Another great video documentary thing!
0 likesHeck, even today Hollywood still has that dark side.
0 likesi cant finish this video
0 likesAll lies look the facts up
0 likesNew emp!
0 likesWait is this the same guy from the Complaint Corner????
0 likesI HATE HOLLYWOOD I HATE HOLLYWOOD
0 likesWhat’s the starting song
0 likesis that... joe on a boat
0 likesDownward Spiral
0 likesVERY NICE.
0 likes"emplemon discord server"
0 likesvery good
0 likesJohn 3.16-21
0 likesWhy the hell did You Tube unsub me.
0 likesDats some good cloud atlas
0 likesInmortality
1 likeMan Judy Garland was hot
1 likeMake Frying Oz
0 likesAsbestos snow. That is fucking ridiculous.
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It's also In scarecrows outfit
1 likeSome bojack horsman shit
0 likesanother fucking banger
0 likesSong at 16:20?
0 likesPLAY WHITE GIRLS LOVE DOGS!
0 likesLooks like young steve buscemi
0 likesI'm only 7 minutes into the video. So far it seems that the actors went through the pain of the sets and costumes all for money? Money sure is a powerful drug!
0 likesmake a vid about the amazing world of guballl
0 likesCool video I think
0 likesThe earth is flat
0 likesHoly shit.
0 likeswhat’s the name of the piano song at 16:19 breh
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gymnopedie no. 1
0 likes2:53. No context
0 likesCommenting to appease the algorithm
0 likeswhy are the simpsons green?
1 likeVox said downwards spiral
0 likesDude... what the fuck!?
0 likesI hate Hollywood.
0 likesMake YouTube poops again
0 likesGood vid
0 likesNeat
0 likesNeat
0 likesholy fuck this gets worse and worse by the second
0 likes18 hour crew
0 likesPerceived 181501st view and 2290th comment
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Lemon, I have to thank you. The topics you cover are so interesting because I know close to nothing about them and you present it all in such an entertaining way. You do quite a service to history, believe it or not. When the internet is known only as an old archive, there'll be your videos detailing forgotten tragedies of some influential people that existed at one point in time.
1 likeThis might be my favorite video you’ve ever done. I knew some of the stuff covered at surface level but this was a hugely important piece that serves as a stark reminder of the human cost of creating something monumental and timeless. Damn dude bravo 👏🏼
0 likesThose last 4 minutes gave me chills. Fantastic writing as always, especially for an aspiring actor.
0 likesIncredible music choices, as always Dr. Lemon. Thank you for the list
0 likesmy guy, how have you not got more views or subscribers? I've even turned on the bell and everything! your videos are well good, I hope to one day make clear, fun, cohesive, informative videos like yours.
1 likeThis is by far one of your best videos. Right up there with Dale Earnhardt. Just absolutely incredible.
0 likesLove the cleverness of using music from Dark Side of the Moon not just in a video about the Wizard of Oz but right at the moment the pyramids are mentioned like the prism on the album cover.
0 likesThank you Emp. This was very informative. I love your videos so much man.
0 likesWhat I learned: Hollywood wasn't evil, just very, very stupid
2 likesWaking up in the middle of the night and being greeted by a new EmpLemon video... What a good feeling.
0 likesIt is official: Emplemon can make anything interesting.
0 likesThis sort of stuff just happened back in those days. If you want another example of showbiz brutality, the three stooges got horribly mangled while making their films too.
0 likesAnother great video that youve produced, keep it up man.
0 likesemp lemon is one of the few channels that i INSTANTLY click on whenever they post a new video
0 likesnice video, the pacing was good, and i liked the ending a lot :)
0 likesAnother masterpiece. Thank you!
0 likesThe song played at 19:43 is Any Colour You Like by Pink Floyd.
0 likesTo anyone who didn’t know; the title of this video is a play on The Dark Side of The Moon. Dark Side is an album made by Pink Floyd which famously synced up with The Wizard of Oz when played together.
Great video! I'll never watch the movie the same way again, my lord.
0 likesAnother excellent video! well done.
0 likesah yes. back when it made sense to pay actors an exorbitant amount of money.
0 likesLove me some Emp. Thank gods for a new upload~
0 likesCrazy what they did to garland. Wasn't she also only like 16 in the filming?
1 likeamazing video as always emp!
0 likesGreat retrospective and essay!
0 likesthe movie director definitly had a fetish for hurting the cast 10:50
2 likesDude, nice Pink Floyd reference at the credits, having an 8 bit remix of Any Colour You Like is so good, gotta love The Dark Side of The Rainbow
0 likesI thought it was called "The Wizard of Oz and The Dark Side Of The Moon" and was gonna talk about the synchronicity of the two, but maybe that was an intentional reference
0 likesYou didn't even mention the mistreatment of the Munchkin actors and it's still a shocking story.
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Ableism was already huge but definitely unreported in Hollywood.
0 likesi thought this was about darkside of the rainbow and damn was i wrong i did like that 8 bit version of dark side at the end tho
1 like15:05
2 likesLemon:
Me: “John Lennon was a psychiatrist”
When I look through the glasses of time, my astigmatism keeps acting up. This spiral seems very blurry. Everything is now a hue of greenish yellow.
0 likesSo how many deadly chemicals do you want to use?
0 likesHollywood: yes
not even shocked that the producers where so cold to the actors. they care about money, not the bodys they need to step over to get it.
1 likeThe harder a movie is to make, the easier it it to watch
0 likesI don’t know who said this
You hit it out of the park once again!
0 likesOk let’s debate: was the “two minutes” quip actually 2 minutes or 1:59?
0 likesHaven’t even finished the video and already marked it under my favorites.
0 likesEdit: damn that closing statement
Rusty Cage appears more on other channels than his own.
0 likesI actually didn't know that The Wizard of Oz was based off a book
0 likesThis video was nicely syncing up with the Dark Side of the Moon, until fucking Time started and ruined everything lol
0 likesLove this channel
0 likesToday has been great from Emp, Leon and Whang uploading i found out The Mask with Jim Carrey is on YouTube movies for free. TFIF
the only big movie set in where I live has to have something go bad, but in The Wizard of Oz, almost everything was bad.
0 likesits always fucked me up how much Andrew Ryan looks like Walt Disney
1 likeMan your videos are so good. Bless you brother
0 likesi was expecting the music you used around 19:20 to start getting super distorted as hank hill turned into bill and becomes rather ill
0 likesNice touch playing dark side of the moon at the end.
0 likesFun fact, the Wizard of Oz was first premiered in my small Wisconsin hometown
0 likesAn EmpLemon video on the movie Watchmen would be awesome
0 likesman knows how to make a conclusion lmao
0 likesthis whole video could have been read by the voice of 'Horror Stories'
0 likesNever understood why people like Wizard of Oz so much. And I very much fail to understand why people like Somewhere Over The Rainbow so much.
0 likesWell I guess at the end of the day time is always the ruler of everything
0 likesBruh this film still gives me nightmares, my first ever nightmare was on Xmas day and they done this film on ice, 🤬 this film.
1 likeAny Colour You Like 8 bit at the end? That’s my personal fav song from that album. Emp you’ve done it again!
0 likesWhy leave out what happen to the munchkins? Either way great video Emp.
0 likesAnother hit piece by EMPLEMON, He just does not MISS.
0 likesThe Pink Floyd midi track at the end is pretty damn nice.
1 likeThe song is any colour you like by Pink Floyd
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I think it's a reference to a popular "stoner tradition" where if you play the dark side of the moon during an exact time during opening credits almost everything that happens in the film is synched up with the music. (Obviously you dont need drugs to see the synchronization.)
0 likes@Gav TV yup i know about it, am a stoner myself haha
0 likesamazing as always!
0 likesI hope you're getting paid a lot for that sponsor lmao
0 likesedit: i forgot that even back then... live guns were used in movies so idk how i said i was surprised at first.
0 likeswho wants to bet that these sort of things are still happening today in Bollywood
0 likesthe production of this movie was extremely cursed
0 likesThank you, Emperor Lemon
0 likesNice midi Any Colour You Like at the end, and damn... can you try and be immortal? Your videos are really good!
0 likesIs it true that there was an actor that hung themself and could be seen in the background of a scene? Is that just a myth or did someone actually commit suicide on set?
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It's a myth because it's actually a bird but that rumor seems believable
0 likesTHIS JS THE BEST COLLAB OVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!! I AM SO EXITED YIU 2 ARE MY FAVORITE YOUTUBERS
0 likesthey just exploited them to brag about having the first color movie ever
0 likesGreat video, terrible advertisement. Subscribed.
0 likesEverybody chill until the EAS issues a Downward Spiral Warning
0 likesThankyou for making a video about wizard of oz
0 likesDon’t think I’ve been happier to see a video
0 likesI always think your logo is a profile shot of Zero's helmet from MMX.
0 likesAs a Kansan- I approve this message.
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I’m from Australia and I approve this message because I watched it on both tv and home video.
0 likesHoly hell I never knew it was this bad
0 likesHeh, 8 bit "any color you like" at the end, nice touch
0 likesDon't mind me, just liking your video before I watch it.
0 likesI got to meet the very last munchkin before he passed away in Penney Farms.
0 likesThere is no dark side of Hollywood really, matter of fact it's all dark.
0 likesStarting to think that dwarf actually hung themself on set.
0 likesGreat video 👏
0 likesHoly shit that was dark....
0 likesGreed is the only evil that exists.
0 likes8-bit Any Color You Like is a Jam I didn't know I needed.
0 likesI'm surprised I sat through that whole three minute ad.
0 likesHoly shit, was that Rusty Cage. 2:48
0 likesNice 8-bit version of "any Color you like"
0 likesVery good video!
0 likesnow thats how to do an ad read, hell yeah.
0 likesWhat are you willing to sacrifice to be remembered forever?
0 likes$800 in 1938 money would be about 15k today, tho.
0 likesthat outro bit was some pretty profound shit
0 likes16:17 what is the name of this track? I really hear it everywehre so good FeelsStrongMan
0 likesBack when Hollywoodland gave a shit about making Art.
0 likes"The dark side of hollywood" so all of it
1 likeCan't believe he got Steve Buscemi to be in the ad.
0 likesThe minor KOTH background music is... music to my ears
0 likeslove that Joe on a Boat shirt
0 likesEmplemon, what are your top ten favorite films
0 likesAd ends at 2:52
0 likesI really like the thumbnail :)
1 like"Babe wake up, new EmpLemon content"
0 likesVery good vid Emp
0 likes6:20 Me a Latin american: "soo, a regular summer day?"
0 likesfor what they got paid they can deal with it. ive done far worse for longer for less pay.
0 likesOh i know what happened, this movie was awful to make, i feel bad for the actors till this day, even if it was a hit movie, was it worth it, fuck no.
0 likesI came. I saw Rusty. I left.
0 likesWow, that is horrifying
0 likes17:06 I see what you did there😏😏😏 Patrick reference
0 likes>implying Rusty Cage doesn't live in a rusty cage
0 likesclever song choice at the end
0 likesYo that coda almost threw me for a loop! The Egyptian Pyramids?? Wha... ohhhhhh damn!!
0 likesAnd I thought that the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers production was bad.
0 likesThe title implies that there is a light side to Hollywood. There is not.
0 likesThe crazy ironic and fucked up thing is I looked up that article about Judy Garland on being groped and harassed and apparently there was supposed to be a film made about it...
0 likesTHAT WAS GONNA BE PRODUCED BY HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND THEN YOU SHOW HIM NEXT DAMN
Fuck Harvey Weinstein
Also that reveal of the full picture at 4:02 at 17:11 was well done from a video editing/placement perspective. Even though obviously the blackface is cringe.
Now THIS is how you do ads
0 likesYes, a knew one!
0 likesVery good video.
0 likesGreat video
0 likesYo how u gonna talk about shitty treatment in the wizard of oz and not mention the munchkins
0 likesCry me a river. People trading their well being for money and fame, just like when they trade sex for it.
0 likesNobody is a victim.
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you’re not good with the empathy thing huh?
0 likes@/ forever성남 Nobody in the cesspit of Hollywood deserves it.
0 likes@/ forever성남 Sick burn, bruh. You're the insult master.
0 likesBeautiful video
0 likesAmazing video
0 likesOh boy Rusty lookin' rusty.
0 likesOne of the actors for one of the munchkins committed suicide
0 likesThank you :)
0 likesYou can try and run as much as you want but nothing will change the fact that you forgot the D in and when you sent the notification.
0 likesJust use the dragon balls.
0 likesPlease Never stop
0 likesTo answer your last question, visa a vis eternal life:
0 likesChrist is risen from the grave, trampling down death by death, and to those in the tombs restoring life.
Dear everyone - skip to 2:50 for video start
0 likesAnd this is why “The Wiz” was better
0 likesI'm Dorothy's Friend. I am a Friend of Dorothy's.
0 likesNEW EMP JUST DROPPED!
0 likesI thought this was a fucking video on Harry Potter, I don't know why.
0 likesFuck yes new emplemon vid
0 likesFuck yea, Emp upload
0 likeswho was here when the title had a typo
0 likesWe do a minuscule of tomfoolery
0 likesWhat’s the name of the song at 9:50?
0 likesWake up babe, new EmpLemon video
0 likesYou are going to Hollywood.
0 likesOhohoho that giza pyramid at the end
0 likesMmmmnomnanana myes my delicious memes in refined classy form
thanks for the pyramid fact
0 likeswake up babe new emp video essay dropped
0 likes...But hey that's show biz!
0 likesa REAL LION HIDE
0 likesD O W N W A R D S P I R A L D O W N W A R D S P I R A L D O W N W A R D S P I R A L
0 likesLast time I came this early my girlfriend left me
0 likesgood video
1 likeNot sure what to say, just
0 likesDang
18:25 is that adjusted for inflation?
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No
0 likes@Staringcorgi6 well then the person got paid like 10 grand, probably not worth it but alot better
0 likesIt keeps getting worse! Jesus Christ
0 likeslol its that knife song guy
0 likeswoaw, ok this made me depressed.... thanks... i gues.
0 likes2 in less than one month it must be christmas
1 likeWhy is Margaret Hamilton green?
0 likes$1,905.59 is how much the wicked which today in compared to then
0 likesGrate vid!!
0 likesMacaulay Culkin isnt that fucked up at all. Hes married and has kids and is very well spoken
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He was fucked up after his fame and the 2000s wasn't a good for him. But a child actor that has his life ruined was jake Lloyd basically he was bullied by neck beards and was blamed for the phantom menace being ass and he was in a car chase
1 likeNice shower curtain bro
0 likesWhen will you make a bad video?
0 likesReplies (1)
there will never ever be a bad video from emp lemon
0 likesFall of Cyberpunk 2077 When?
0 likesYT just unsub me from your channel
0 likesholy shit
0 likesPan frying dory???
0 likesHolywood*Land*
0 likes2:57 *in your country…
0 likesjust came cuz of biden discord server
0 likes16:20 song?
0 likesDamn dawg...
0 likesOfc u play dark side of the moon at the end
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What's wrong with that? It's a reference to how they supposedly sync up.
0 likes0:51 lol
0 likesholy sh*t
0 likesWhat the hell I am subbed and I have notifications on but I didn't get one
0 likesi got unsubscribed by youtube...
0 likesI'm gunna coom!!!!
0 likes"Aloominum"
0 likesWasn't there also rape and suicide on set?
1 likewas the producer arrested
0 likesDamn.
0 likesyeah but it looks cool
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0 likesAl Jolson was a pioneer for equal treatment in the film industry, that picture and line you delivered was pretty dirty 17:09
0 likesding dong the witch is dead
0 likesI know doing blackface is horrible, but Al Jolson wasn't a complete racist to black people. Im pretty sure in one of his films, when he realized Cab Calloway, the co-star, wasn't given the same luxury as he was, he threatened to walk out of the studio.
0 likesHoly shit
0 likesPyramid conspiracy video
0 likesLet's fucking go
0 likesrustycage lol
0 likeswhere that @be kind rewind collab at
0 likesListen to Downard Spiral
0 likesVideo at (02:50)
0 likeswe been knew.
0 likesYou make new video. It's been one month. Make me new video now !!!!
0 likescool vid
0 likesSpare us the 2:50 introduction please.
0 likesWhat's that song that goes ba bum ba bum bum
0 likesMe likey Rusty Cage
0 likesits never ogre
0 likesWheres the funny rainbow pyramid?
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