Let me get this straight. The cops are chasing a man who was caught robbing a jewelry store. They chase the small white man down the alley, lose sight of him for a second, then they regain sight of him and he's magically a 6'3 black man?
My guess? They were chasing agent 47 and he slipped into a new disguise just in time for them to see this bald guy and arrest him instead. A real 500iq silent assassin move.
@Gavin Riley oh shut up. Y'all love trying to pretend racism has nothing to do with anything no.matyer his often black people get disproportionately persecuted and profiled. It doesn't matter if the officer is not white, even black officers have confessed that they are often trained/pressured/conditioned to treat black people as more of a threat than non black citizens. Whole studies have been done proving how systemic racism is in law enforcement practices.
@True Stark But what if...... it wasn't racism? What if...... the officer wasn't racist? Do you think that possibility is rare or uncommon? Oh wait... ALL COPS are bad right. But you need more than arresting a black man because he's the first person you saw out of an alley, to label someone a racist....
@Teq its more the fact that they had a witness sayin he was white, and he lied about already knowing the guy was guilty. I personally think most cops are trying to the best they can.
@Samuel Rodriguez Saying cops are trained to target a certain group in our society is idiotic and damaging to communities. Noone is afraid if a word. We just don't want idiots attributing every mistake to a thought crime.
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Samuel Rodriguez2021-06-07 20:01:20 (edited 2021-06-07 20:01:34 )
@Gavin Riley nobody is trained that way that's not how racism works my man. People can be racist subconsciously without even realizing its attributed to evolutionary traits from when we were tribes it's natural to look at strangers with care and concern.
@True Stark PREACH my dude, fucking preach. ACAB doesn't mean that EVERY individual cop is a bastard and/or corrupt. It means that the entire system they are apart of is corrupt and horribly racist. It's much worse in Southern US states as well where a large amount of the local population is at least moderately racist. It's extremely fucked up and we need to FIX IT.
@Teq You do understand that ACAB means the SYSTEM the cops are apart of is racist. Not that every single individual cop is a racist/corrupt. It's not rocket science, it's not that hard to comprehend. They KNEW they were chasing a WHITE GUY then magically they just decide to pick up this black guy, how do you perceive no racisim in that?
@Teq Ofc not. But the fact that most cops are good doesn’t change the fact that many departments have systemic issues, resulting in racism and enabling the behavior of a bad few.
What is with white people pretending racism doesn’t exist? It’s so bizarre. Do you think if somebody is racist, that means all of you are racist? I’m genuinely curious.
@nasa lol The investigator is irrelevant, he's gotta investigate whoever is in that chair. The arresting officers are the ones that matter in this situation.
Many cops don't care if they catch the right person if they can get an easy conviction. There are an estimated 10k innocent people convicted in the US every year. The cops that arrest them don't get vilified and some of them are probably decent cops that thought they got the right person, but this guy knows he's lying in the interrogation. He blatantly says he's seen the guy on a video camera and yet the call was for a small white man... well, imo, the cop should be in prison for fraud.
@e13kid Nah they think “Well the cop didn’t call him the hard r and didn’t hang him from a tree behind the precinct so there’s no evidence for racism.”
They have their own standard for what constitutes as “racism” and are continually moving the goalpost and have this weird obsession for trying to disprove racism as if it doesn’t exist.
@Paul Beazer that's effing disingenuous to say that. First of all, a study from 2012 shows, indeed, that there are between 5000 and 10000 wrongful convictions. You choosing the upper number is intellectually dishonest.
But pretending that these wrongful convictions are solely based on the fact that cops doesn't give a f*ck about the truth is a non-sense. A good part, if not the majority, of these wrongful convictions may also come from wrongful accusations (like the angry "burglar" in the video, and if you have no proof of innocence and an history with the police, good luck!). Sometimes there are some unfortunate cases of bad place bad time. Is there some officers who would knowingly arrest an innocent for any reason (racism, chance of promotion, laziness,...), of course, and they should be treated as the 3 officers of the video. But depicting the "wrongful conviction" as biased as you do won't help anyone.
And for the people claiming it's certainly because of racism, that's a trial of intent. Unless you're inside the head of these officers, you have no idea what motivated their actions. As JCS said, having a confession can help having a promotion.
@BreadFor_BobRoss The caller said the guy was white, more likely they said he was probably white. Obviously the officers messed up a ton but there are almost always easy mistakes to make. There isn't anything wrong with lying, as long as the cops aren't being assholes for no reason.
@Gavin Riley Even officers that are people of color can interalize racist behaviors, even when they are directed at people of the same background, from their peers, training and just general societal conditioning.
Further, Discrimination in the Justice system on a systemic and far-reaching scale isn't up for debate, not really. It's a statistical fact; people of color are disproportionately falsely accused, arrested and convicted.
@Drew Butler Alright, I guess just sit there when someone breaks into your house. Or if one of your family members dies and it’s a homicide, just let the person get away with it.
@Teq Bruh there was more, the suspect was literally described as white, and the officer KNEW before interrogating and still persisted. That's literally racism.
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Racists are so annoying like, your not better than anyone, Infact, your worse. The black people are so beautiful and cute and some idiots just keep on troubling their innocent souls. It’s so irritating.
the police system is racist, even the ones that aren't inherently racist still racially profile and arrest blacks unconsciously because that's how they were trained
I think what happened was they got called and chanced the guy down the ally they probably didn’t hear the discription until later but doesn’t defend the detective
He's fairly pale skinned for a black guy and, at night, coming out of an alley into a street with different lighting... I can see how they could be confused. The height difference seems much harder to understand but between distance, perspective... even that may be possible. I'm 6'4'' but when I run I lean forward and seem shorter. The Police may have overcompensated for that.
What gets me is the claim of security camera footage. That footage, if it exists, should be all the proof needed to clear things up. Either there was no footage, the footage was too poor quality to tell the difference between two radically different men or the video was clear and the detective didn't care or didn't check.
Three days to check? I'm guessing the answer was number one, no video.
What is there to get straight? Happens all the time. Ok, it took Michael Jackson years for his transformation, this guy obviously had better surgical care, and damn they were fast!
@Guytrash Gurtdog How? What, are all factory workers for Nestle bad now because of the stuff Nestle has done? Cops are just trying to make a living and serve justice, there’s just a very small amount that are cruel, power abusing, and bad. Cops keep so much bad shit from happening to you and me, they keep horrible people from roaming the streets, yet you still mark all of them as evil and disgusting… My brother has been in the Army for a little while and is trained to be a police officer. He has a family (me included, obviously), friends, he’s in no way cruel or wrongdoing. Why do you hate your protectors and try to treat them this way?
@Silaaron no operator allows a person to be non descriptive as emergency calls are life and death
A supervisor would pull them and have them retrained immediately and all phone calls are recorded
It’s in their training to get info from the person so they can dispatch with info
This includes making people repeat and go into detail while stressing the person be calm
Dispatchers do not rush conversations or gloss over
The operator heard white, dispatched looking for white, officer chased white and arrested black. Interrogator ignored notes and told the man he’s guilty with NO interrogation
@Xan Frank Pretty sure it's you that have your own standard as to what racism is & constantly move the goalposts. I mean you agreed with someone who ironically made a racist remark so clearly you made some rule to exempt other from being qualified as racist.
@Teq it’s by definition an unjust arresting anyway- they had a visual on somebody who was white and shorter but the first black dude they saw they immediately detained and tried to shut the case instantly.
What if… the cops could have some incompetency and also are genuinely bad people trying to convict an innocent black person?
@Teq oh wait… NOTHING is allowed to fit within the definition of racism anymore. Even the most obvious racist shitty behaviour (not saying this is an example of that) is responded to with “OMG EVERYTHING HAS TO BE RACIST NOWADAYS” no it’s just a pretty reasonable takeaway from the situation
@John Knoxis there are men in blue out their risking their lives every single day to keep us safe. To say every cop is bad with no hesitation and remorse is absolutely disgusting.
@Markus that's not how that works bro. All humans were tribalistic. Black people were colonized and enslaved and basically forced to play the game at a disadvantage. If you live in an all white neighborhood in the south and you see a black person for the first time it's very likely considering there is not social science class or anything that you will view them subconsciously as different. Its just how biology works. Racism can also be displayed through class. Poor people are looked down as dirty and vulgar and black people tend to be poorer because again they are put at a disadvantage because of their spawn point in life basically.
"Getting a confession void of evidence is in fact an excellent for an investigator's career. Its a mark of merit and can accelerate promotion." I think this is a serious issue that needs to be avoided to avoid such tragedies.
My thoughts exactly... Sounds like something that literally motivates to frame people. I mean if you truly believe someone is guilty based on the interrogation so far and the evidence at hand then it's very natural to try to get the confession. There is no point to motivate investigators to get one without this hunch. Really a mind-boggling thing.
This but something that wasn’t mentioned- getting a conviction in general is always good for the LO, regardless of whether it was wrongful or not. The more ‘criminals’ you help put away the further your career is gonna go. Never listen when the police say they have nothing to gain from you or anything along those lines.
@877-Cash-Now Yep, I'm gonna be honest, I know the "ACAB" thing gets a bad rap because people will call up some positive experience they had with a cop, but from my experience they pretty much all have a strong "us vs them" mentality when it comes to people they view as "criminals". They'll be perfectly cordial up until you've been accused of something, and then you're obviously slime and deserve nothing. Cops can be perfectly polite to their friends and family, but anyone who's ever been on the other end of an interrogation room knows that doesn't mean jack shit. They don't like to even entertain the idea that they could possibly be wrong, they always act as if they're right and the only obstacle is proving it. They don't even seem shaken up when they learn that the person they tried to frame was actually fully exonerated, to them innocence is not a defense since you probably did something else anyway. Falsifying evidence is extremely common, as is harassment and trying to illicit false confessions. Policing in general needs a major cultural and procedural shift if they're ever going to gain people's trust again.
I think it's fine, but there should be second detective, or i guess inspector, who checks if a detective does his job properly, and who gets high salary and bonuses for exposing corrupt (I mean state of mind, not only one, who takes bribes) detectives. Unfortunately there might be not enough hands for such job
If you watch other videos you will see how it can be done right such as with Chris Watts, they had no evidence to pin it on him yet they got him to confess to the crime. It should be encouraged but straight up fabricating and lying for no reason should not be tolerated.
Rob Roskey2022-05-26 06:54:50 (edited 2022-05-26 07:01:19 )
Not only that but it should be a punishable crime to arrest, accuse, or convict someone on something they didn't do for everyone involved including the prosecutor and the judge. If that was the case you bet your ass they would make damn sure they have the right person and they would take "innocent until proven guilty beyond all doubt" much more seriously. When people have skin in the game they're not gonna be so quick to over look or presume things they aren't certain about. Even the f jury should be punished if a wrongful conviction is proven.
Please don’t ever talk to police without a lawyer present. Imagine being 100% totally innocent and serving the rest of your life in prison because of something stupid that you said.
@B good luck with that. Two years in prison, then expect another 3-5 years dealing with courts to be offered a shit settlement that most lawyers will tell u to take.
My daughter found a wallet and took it to the police station. The owner reported it stolen and estimated he had a couple hundred dollars in it. When the police counted the money it was $170 and change. The police threatened to charge her for theft of the $30 difference. She never even looked in the wallet so had no idea how much was in it. She became terrified, the police then took her in an interview room and handcuffed her, after questioning her for about an hour or so, they let her go. She cried on and off for two days, she was 16. She will never hand in lost items again, when she found a handbag, she left it where it was, she no longer trusts the police.
@toshineon well to answer your question, we’d have a situation where the punishment wouldn’t meet the crime for lots of things. Heck any area can just decide that death would be a punishment for any crime and there’d be nothing to keep them in check. I do agree there are issues with the system, but no system is perfect and it’s better than the alternative of such a phenomenon.
Shows how dumb police really are. If you were going to steal any amount, you wouldnt hand it in in the first place. Where is the logic of finding valuables and to think I'll hand it into police but I'll keep some of it. Either you take it all or not at all. Why take 30 when you can have 200. Makes no logical sense.
If the person reported it was 'estimated' to be 200 then 170 and change is close enough to be an estimate. They didnt know EXACTLY how much they had. Not only that but she should be getting rewarded for handing it in as the person got their money back. They could have lost the lot.
Years ago when I worked as a cashier at a gas station I found a wallet in the parking lot and turned it in to the next cop who came in. The following day they tried to arrest me for theft because when the guy picked up his wallet it was empty of cash. Unlucky for them, I purposefully opened the wallet and showed the cash still in it on our security cam that was right over the regiester as I handed it over. Yep... the cops swiped the cash, of course nothing happened with that but at least I didn't get arrested.
Wish I knew who he was so I could send him a card. Luckily I’ve never had this happen legally, but in my engineering career, coworkers’ ethics has been a huge issue for me. It’s like people are happily and willingly delusional because it “gets the job done”
Yeah this happens way too often. There was another man who tried to turn his life around and started a family only to be wrongfully accused of murder and sentenced to life in prison.
Anybody else find it strange that that guy was in handcuffs in the interrogation room? Usually they at least wait until after the interview to cuff him.
The Quarantined Artist a flawed system sure it is but lumping all into one is a dangerous game you don’t want to go down that road it won’t end well for any of us .
When I was a teen, I saw a cop on tv said: "NEVER TRUST A COP. They are not your friend. They will Lie to you." Remember your rights: You have the RIGHT to remain SILENT. ANYTHING you SAY can and will be used AGAINST you.
@SineEyed 2020 The system allows said dishonest individuals to get away with such behaviour, and in some cases even encourages it with broken mechanisms and incentives.
Coercing false confessions, the presumption of guilt without investigation, mandatory minimums, evidence tampering, junk-science 'expert testimony', falsified reporting etc etc etc.
I am not making a political statement and am not at all on the 'acab' bandwagon - this is a real problem that affects Americans of all walks of life, but particularly low-socioeconomic. It is built into the system.
@cmrn I agree that there are plenty of issues, and many unjust things occur within the justice system. But that will always be the case in any system which has humans operating within it. I disagree that the system lets them get away with it. Even in this video that idea is shown not to be true. I reject your claim of there being broken mechanisms and incentives which encourage individuals to conduct themselves outside of the rules of the system. That is unless you can provide evidence for such things, or at least point to something specific I could investigate on my own. If you have no evidence, you have no claim..
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Ryan Blanche2021-04-13 12:49:26 (edited 2021-06-02 14:39:18 )
Always ask for a lawyer, even if you’re innocent . Never talk directly to the cops. They are NOT your friend.
I hate to say it but most law enforcement are kind of lazy when it comes to catching criminals. Real life is the opposite of TV. They look for the easiest target and if they can make it stick, case closed. They don’t have time to spend a week or longer on one case unless it’s a high profile thing so either they just won’t make any headway or pin it on whoever makes the most sense - if they don’t have a good lawyer, well prisons stay full. From my personal experience as a victim of a hit and run - the police were 100% not interested in doing any work to find who did it because I didn’t do half the work for them by getting the license plate- I just had a description of the vehicle and that was too much work for them.
her boyfriend beat her up so to cover it up she accused Justin of breaking in and robbing and assaulting her. The boyfriend wasn't supposed to be around her already and she didn't want him to get in trouble again so she had to blame Justin of doing it.
There was a case where one guy was supposed to be in prison for like 16 years, but got out early due to a clergical error. Upon release, he got his life together, started a family, and was living happily, until the day he was set for release when police went to get him and, well. He wasn't, obviously. I can't recall exactly what happened to him, but it was overall good for him. If anything happened, at maximum he had to spend like 2 more months or years in jail.
@SineEyed 2020 I disagree, there are some issues that lie in the system itself. Like allowing cops expelled from one force to simply hop on over to another.
@kat king They are people with flaws, but in their position of power and authority, they should be (and are) absolutely aware that their bad decisions and judgements can fucking ruin someone's life, if not a generation of that person's family.
They have significantly more accountability on their shoulders. They should be treated as such.
@Salem Crow allowing cops expelled from one force to simply hop on over to another, isn't a systemic issue because it doesn't happen often, and it doesn't happen everywhere. The number of times this occurs versus the total number of officers serving must be an incredibly tiny fraction. I've only heard of something like that happening a couple of times. I don't pay a great deal of attention to it though, so, it might happen much more frequently than I'm aware of. If you have any data or statistics on the subject, I'd be happy to look over your sources to potentially update my understanding of it.
Regarding your comment to kk, I very much agree that anyone holding a position of authority and/or power should be held to a higher standard. Those who enforce the laws we citizens must abide by, must abide by them as well. If an officer violates the law, he violates our trust in his ability to enforce the law in a just and fair-minded manner. And the consequence of undermining the public's trust in our police forces, is that it can quickly lead to the destabalization of the inherent security of the communities in which we live. The police are necessary - vitally. While there will always be bad actors which find their way into positions of power, there will always be exponentially more bad actors amongst us in the population at large. Bad actors amongst the police can, like you said, completely ruin someone's life; perhaps extending that ruin to others in their family. How many more lives are ruined by the criminals walking around in public with us though? Orders of magnitude, I would say. And how many ruined lives would there be if the police didn't exist at all? I don't even want to try to imagine what that world looks like tbh..
He should of known better, after being through the system. ANY time police ask u a question, your only response should be “I want a lawyer present for any and all questions”.
Man..had full on PTSD about going back to prison, you could hear it in his voice. And the fact he went to prison for two years after that for something he didn’t do, just makes this interrogation hurt so much worse.
This happened to a friend of mine. He was innocently imprisoned for a year, and trials afterwards didn't clear his name up to this day. It's been 19 years ever since. Screw Justice.
"My innocent friend was found guilty at trial, innocently imprisoned, and multiple appeals processes STILL found him guilty! It's almost as if he was actually guilty of the crime (of which he was innocent), but he wasn't for some reason! Screw justice!"
I feel like the level of anger from the second guy is increased even more simply from him knowing the amount of work he put into to get away from that life so that he’ll never end up being put back in prison… Only to be falsely accused and have to risk being put in prison again for something he didn’t even do. Its like a sick prank on him to make him feel like he’s always at risk of being put back in jail no matter how hard he tries to be a good person.
Unfortunately, that's how the system treats people. I know a lot of people from halfway houses that worked for my old employer. They swear that Parole Officers set you up for failure by not telling you of certain dates you must appear.
That's Catch-22. In order to be not guilty you must be innocent. But if you've been found guilty before you're hardly innocent now, are you? Bake him away, toys!
This “detective” is such an arrogant, smug douchebag. “The evidence is paramount” “I know you did it so I’m not even going to ask” then says “it’s my job to find out if what we were talking about is actually true”. Fire this man and review all past convictions he covered.
@aah qaak I agree to some of your points but don't act like they don't have that power to set them free. Also they have to interview or interrogate a lot of people sometimes. Do you think they're there to arrest everybody? Imo They are just as guilty as the people who arrested him which is probably why they were demoted too
Luckily at the end of the video it says they were demoted and suspended without pay. Idk how long the suspension was for obviously but at least that's good, and glad the guy got a solid 50k out of his ordeal.
@Satfire's Cat At least he got a 46'000 Canadien dollares for the "inconvinience" (I know, spelling). I've heard that you can spend 20 years, wrongfully convicted in a US prison and don't get a dime for it
@Fu*k Poe's Law! how tf is that lucky? Even if the arrest doesn't go on his record, his current and future employers may want to stay away from him due to the controversy, and plus he's probably been psychologically hurt by this; more anxious and more resentful. Three days in a jail cell is no walk in the park either.
@setik what controversy? why would employers know about it? also, he doesn't look like he's made of sugar, 80 hours in a cell isn't 80 hours spent in a park (in summer, no rain) especially if there's nothing to read (maybe he got lucky and they gave him enough to read, dude seems like a reader of books) but don't exaggerate it, please.
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Magnus Carlsson2021-06-08 16:54:48 (edited 2021-06-08 17:09:45 )
@Fu*k Poe's Law! I dunno. Just wanted to point it out that it wasn't the "benchmark standard" $...my guessing is that CADs value is 2/3-3/4 of a US dollar...I will google it thou...for my self only :)
Edit: Can't help it. Must share. CAD 1 equal USD 0.83....or CAD 1 gives you EURO 0.68
@Fu*k Poe's Law! If he knew he would be free after three days and weren't treated horrifically and called a criminal and liar throughout that whole time, I'd say maybe.
But it's not just the unjustified time served, it's the mental anguish you go through trying to prove your innocence to someone who won't listen to reason.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! What do you mean he literally said he had to let someone know he wasn't making it into work ? ,exaggerate ? do you know what its like to be black and falsely accused stop trying to underplay this miscarriage of justice the police didn't do there jobs right at all that's why they were demoted and suspended without pay. "doesn't look like hes made of sugar " who the hell says that to someone falsely accused
Well for me the ability to draw a map of there path and they are willing to go and say alright if I did it go ask this person I was with them at the time of the so-called robbery that’s proof enough for me that they are innocent
@Kerwyn Telemaque 1. It was a miscarrage of justice. 2. The detectives involved got demoted 3. The guy got almost 50,000 Canadian dollars.
Wrong place at the wrong time quickly turned into right place at the right time. It would have been unpleasant for those three days but as a result not only did bad investigators get punished, he was also given a huge amount of money. There'd be no controversy over his innocence because he was both freed almost immediately and won his lawsuit against the police that wrongfully imprisoned him. Personally, I'd be celebrating if I got 50,000 after just 3 days in jail. I'm pretty young so that's literally more than my life savings.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! ppl like you will always find a way to excuse a police officers behaviour. disgusting. He was in a jail cell for 3 days without knowing what was going to happen, except he was being charged for a crime he didnt commit. he didnt "get" 46k dollars, he sued the police department to get justice. do you understand that? they werent like: "sorry for the inconvenience, here are 46k bucks". he sued the state. What the officer did was at best egotistical and at worst malicious. both are things that are REALLY not supposed to influence a choice over a persons freedom.
@duskmare0000 It wasnt right place at the right time. Please for goodness sake keep in mind that the money was for damages and time lost. You saying right place right time, is like telling someone who got a broken leg from being hit by a car to celebrate. he also didnt just "get" those 46k, he had to sue for those DAMAGES.
@Clayton Turnbull what would I be trolling about ? and oh very funny because I took his 3 year old comment literally your trying to be funny haha there you go you got your laugh can you leave so the actual intelligent people can talk like i really don’t know why your trying to argue the validity of it even the court saw that it was wrong that’s why they were demoted and suspended if you really wanna fight verdict talk to the court not me stop wasting my time
@Clayton Turnbull also my main point is It didn’t have to happen and it shouldn’t have happened it could have easily been avoided with proper due process
@Magnus Carlsson actually you can get money 5 black men got wrongfully accused it’s a show on Netflix called when they see us and they got a lot of money
@Fu*k Poe's Law! He was wrongfully imprisonned and disgustingly judged. He deserved to be paid, obviously. He spent three days in jail for NO REASON. if i was to kidnapp someone and lock them in my basement for 3 days, theres a high chance they'd sue me and get me sent to jail after i had to pay them a lot of money for the emotional damages. Its the same thing here, but its the government locking someone up for no reason and causing distress and emotional damages.
@Magnus Carlsson You kids didnt listen i geuse. He was only in there for 3.5 days. And then another detective got him out by looking att hes aliby and evidence that there was against him. He got 46.000 dollars for the almost 4 days in jail will being innocent.
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Magnus Carlsson2021-06-20 19:58:53 (edited 2021-06-20 20:54:35 )
@Doet Er Niet Toe Please, don't tag me again until you've passed at least second grade English (read and understand). Thank you for understanding
Edit: OK, I was'nt answer the OP's OP. I was answering the first comment in the thread....that I now saw and reallised also was the OP
@Fu*k Poe's Law! I don't know about that, I spent 9 hours in a inner city jail as a result of a false claim, and it was hell, I was packed in a room overnight with 10-15 other people laying down on cold concrete clinging to a piece of paper while trying to go to sleep knowing I can't cause I'm too shaken by it all, mad, sad, lost, and confused.
I can only imagine what nightmares he had to endure in 3 days let alone those unfortunate souls that spend years in that horrid environment.
I can honestly see why some falsely accused kill themselves in that place, it's just devoid of all hope, and meaning.
I mean sure he got 40g, but that's only a fair settlement if you've never experienced even an ounce of it yourself, that trauma, and loss of time is hardly something you can quantify with money.
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Magnus Carlsson2021-06-21 19:12:27 (edited 2021-06-21 19:13:59 )
@Lauren B Am I a "very strange person", if I think my example is worse?😬
Rather been executed than get pissed on every day for the rest of my life in the "free"...imo.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! Most employers ask if you've ever been arrested for any crime. Regardless of whether you were convicted or not, an arrest for anything = bye bye job offer. And even if they don't ask (or you lie), they can do a simple Google search.
@Christian Brown Then you've been lucky. Almost every job that I or my wife have applied for in our adult lives asks if you've ever been arrested (not even convicted).
I hope the bearded dude got some serious serious compensation for those 2 wasted years. Hell, maybe even wipe his record — that would be a good repayment.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! Getting arrested is traumatizing tbh. Getting stripped, searched, gettin your belt and shoes taken, and made to "sleep" on a piss soaked gym mat. He probably didn't sleep at all if he was in there for one day.
@Johnny Natrium Bro, being litigious is a good thing. You absolutely need to sue every time someone wrongs you. Otherwise you're just a victim getting milked for everything you're worth. It's the modern world. You can't respond to every wrong with violence, you need to learn to use the courts.
@Max Pulido You know what, in America your judicial system is so tragically f'd up that I can understand the common man seeing it as the best option to just join the crooked game that has been forced on them, and at least try to win while they're at it. That still leaves the fact that it shouldn't be that way in the first place, and actual change needs to happen somehow. But American lower-middle class civilians, who are among the least free people in the Western world, among the most exploited classes of global society, are so stressed out by the notion of trying to fix anything substantial that they just go with the status quo and act out their frustration towards ambivalent, useless distractions like Antifa and bashing and condemning people who are in another political 'camp' than they are. An American politician's job has been perfectly specialized over the years, into being able to coast on getting people riled up over nonsense that doesn't actually require work or fix any problems ("Economy? Health care? nonono, the real problem is those guys in the middle east, STOP worrying about those complex issues, just blame some group that isn't in my demographic - like those sandn-g--rs who you've never met before and whose children we bomb so the conflict keeps going and they'll stay weak and exploitable for natural resources - we gotta get THEM cause they're out to get you; stop worrying about life in America or your kids will die when Achmed comes rollin round shootin up the school which is definitely not a psychological epidemic we need to address but just evil people that we gotta bash" or "We're gonna get abortion discussions rolling again so them dumb sheep'll fight each other and forget about the way their pensions are taken away, how they're corporate slaves with no freedom of expression - at least until I can get promoted or retire, and then it's the next guy's turn"). I mean when everyone's so busy being angry at half of their countrymen and being convinced that they're pure evil scum just cause they said a word that doesn't fit the new SJW bible, or vice versa, and being on their ipad all day cause they need some distraction but iPads and sports matches only make em more upset and distracted; plus the prescription medication dealers.. I get that you can't fight to be on the high road bro. I couldn't if I lived there at this time. Luckily in The Netherlands we don't need to be litigious because throughout most of our history we've built up organized, free support that actually works, and works quickly, when your rights have been violated. I for instance am appalled at the power that your employers have over your livelihood especially when companies have become so humongous. Of course you have to sue when they can just boot you out of a job for no good reason, and you're the one who has to come up with the defense rather than the other way around. (ofc by 'free' care here I mean it is shared by the people with taxes, which btw are not higher than in America because the gvt screws you out of money, that they can sink into 'homeland security' like the military, meaning they can do and privately own whatever they research because it's state secret 'for your benefit', besides the fact that it doesn't stay at home - because all it gets used for is inciting ehem I mean exploiting cough I mean SPREADING FREEDOM throughout the world).
The saddest thing is hearing him say he was a bad guy in his twenties, but all he has done is work hard and stay away from that stuff, then he goes down for some trashy girl's lies.
@Avenger[K] if he just tells his future employer what happened when asked, (face to face, no email) then he has a nice test against shitty narrowminded employees. The guy doesn't look like he's got to take every little job available.
@George Actually, that is why the State of Michigan was the first democratically elected government in the world to ban the death penalty. This occurred in the 1840s. In Detroit, when a husband was hung because he accidently killed his wife in a drunken fit, he was so remorseful and crying on what he had done that he kept begging forgiveness. The crowd that was watching the execution was greatly affected and saddened. This was followed later when it came out that an innocent young Detroit man had been tragically executed by the Windsor, Canada authorities just across the Detroit River for killing a young girl. Soon after, the real murderer was identified and arrested. Actually, the State of Michigan has never executed anyone. Any executions occurred before statehood. This is something for Michigan to be proud of.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! It's like a bit over 35k us dollars. Lots of the damages were because he wasn't treated decently at all, the interrogator pretty much told him this: "I know you did it based on this evidence which we don't actually have, what other crimes did you do?". Canadians are very polite so this behavior was inexcusable.
My grandfather got wrongfully accused for two years, too. He brought back chocolate milk for us every night before bed. He's now in the countryside now. It's been 3 years and I miss him so much,,
@duskmare0000 I'd feel that way, too, at 18. I even know people injured in an accident who were happy to get 40K, and guys happy to get a few grand for being hit by a car while riding a bike. But you really should consider the stresses and time consumed by court/trial, the lawyer's cut (likely 1/3), possibly tax. As an American, I'm surprised the settlement was so low.
Man deserves atleast 2 years wages. Right fucking now and a written apology to everyone they took him from. And that's a fucking bare bare bare bare minimum. You should give him that just so he will go easier on his case against your law enforcement agency
Especially when he said that he had turned his life around. I felt so bad that he was wrongfully in prison for two years after working so hard to be a better person.
It happens more than you would think and a lot of times it's done with plea bargaining. you can get people to admit to things they never did if you threaten them with enough jail time and convince them that fighting it is hopeless and will get them even more time. Taking it to court becomes gambling with years of your life. This happened to my cousin. They told him he could get 20 years and really, what he did was not what he was charged with. He did SOMETHING, but not nearly the charge they convinced him to plea to.
His public defender should have helped him, but I think you'll find that the public defender does not give a shit about anything but getting a check and pleaing you out.
@Tomatenpresse I don't want too downplay anything, I'm not ...ehm necessarily a friend of the police
(although I've been pleasantly surprised by the French police (and/or gendarmerie); several times, most of the times they behaved like normal non-authoritarian human beings)
It happens ALL the time. Especially in the US. I’ve seen stats that say MOST people in jail don’t have a trial date set. That’s county jail not prison.
@Magnus Carlsson ...immediately makes it about America. Okay, now it's about America. In Canada you can't even talk freely without being wrongfully imprisoned. Tf?
It's fucking amazing that a cop can lie straight faced saying "I know you did this there's video of you doing this" when the person was on a bus while it was happening.
Especially when considering the dispatch description was literally opposite of the person in the chair...
I know in a lot of places in Europe cops aren't allowed to lie to you like that anymore because it's unethical and can result in innocents being convincted when they "confess" under that pressure, but for numerous reasons police reform in the US has been either resisted or slow/nonexistent.
Two men attacked me in front of multiple witnesses. I defended myself against them with my fists. They pinned me up against a wall, faces an inch from mine, fists clenched. After warning them multiple times I lashed out and sent the pair sprawling. I was arrested, charged, locked up for many hours and went to trial TWELVE MONTHS LATER. The judge found me entirely innocent and was absolutely disgusted with the police because they refused to interview the witnesses. He said " You walked in here an honourable man, and that is how you will leave here! You did what any man should have done in your position." Police are the enemy - NEVER, EVER, TRUST THEM.
the fact that he got framed and charged for robbery after he actively made change in his life to overcome his criminal past and to become a better person is fucking awful
@SocksInAHat yeah but that was only after a civil trial, judging by the fact that the other guy still got wrongfully imprisoned despite there being minimal evidence, he probably didn’t have a private lawyer
It's honestly horrible what we put convicts through how are people supposed to make a change to their life if they're socially ostricized and even the legal system is stacked against them despite them serving their time in accordance to the legal system
Working as an junior lawyer in india rn I have seen cases excess of a hundred innocents have been charged or are under arrest for investigation under non bailable sections which can keep them behind bars for even upto a decade or life without evidence.
@Crassie Wassie yeah especially painfull when u have to explain to the relatives and the loved ones especially the uneducated and poor that the bail application was rejected after an entire year hopeful fighting of the case.
I got sentenced guilty for saying a bad word, which I didnt. Now Im becoming criminal and start to destroy stuff, throw heavy stuff at people while I hide. And I did way worse stuff. NOW I am criminal Sometimes judges do the wrong...
Except he wasn't a "bad" person to begin with. What a disgusting implicit notion you propagate with your statement (claiming that living a crime-free life makes someone a "better person" implies that criminals are not good people intrinsically in their nature- You can see how gross this fabrication is hopefully). And he was so easily convicted precisely because of this past. The judicial system regards transgressors as possessing a certain intrinsic nature, so when there is a case like this with no evidence against him except the word of a witness, his purportedly recognized nature which has already been established by the judicial system becomes the primary piece of evidence used against him. Its fucking disgusting and these cops should be beheaded for a new public armed with new notions - unlike the disgusting ones you operate with.
I'm going through it right now. Changed my life became an Executive Chef, pursuing a PhD in psychology. My ex is trying to sink me to get what she can. If it wasn't for God my kids and family I would be hopeless. Taking everything to trial. My life has been one traumatic event after another.
This type of thing happens all the time unfortunately, once you have a criminal record you are a second class citizen and can be written off by most ppl
@Crassie Wassie Couldn't agree more. I feel you should not have to disclose any felony status after being released, or at least very shortly after.
I see very little benefit to society in continuing to punish these people. In fact, I feel we actively make these people more dangerous through our treatment.
It does remove them from the voter roll, so some may like that.
@Crassie Wassie i agree with this 100%. Hard life out there getting discriminated because you have a criminal record. This only makes convicts relapse into recidivism because they have no other say to make money.
@zbrhd that is just a excuse for being a bad person. Being a vandal and potentionally assaulting someone just because you are falsely accused for saying a bad word? That is hillarious, comical even. Get outta here.
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erik arseth2022-03-16 11:35:34 (edited 2022-03-16 11:36:05 )
Im getting extremely angry that the guy got a 2 year sentence without doing anything, turned his life around and get punished for that. Its infuriating and i hope that all interrogators learn by these mistakes, cause it is absolutely horrible!
@William Bogue I really hope I misunderstood. Because if someone was innocent/found innocent and lost 2 years of his life that is bullshit. And it happens too long.
Justin was like, "sound like dude beat her up and she's pinning it on me"...turned out to be exactly right! The system is so broken. If you've got a record you're screwed. No one will believe you aren't guilty if you've been shown to be guilty before. Its messed up
The "investigator" who interviewed Michael is a truly disgraceful, incompetent bafoon. I hope that he feels guilty about this situation to this day, and that he is never taken seriously as a law enforcement employee again.
@martk fartkerson That would be an argument if we were the men that did that but last i checked those are long dead and now we're paying for something we didn't do
@martk fartkerson so now it’s unofficially legal to lie to cops and a court, as long as you’re female. And as long as your victim is not a female? I’m a woman and can’t understand how that makes sense. If you want to do penance, I don’t know, give me money. That’s a victimless action and money is actually useful to me.
it happens ALL THE TIME far Far more than people realize (it happened to ME) that's what happens when you are totally Trusting of the cops / and YOU are just a more than straight person.... it comes out All Wrong .... because the police are accustomed to ~Criminals~ (they are NOT accustomed to super respectful & super innocent people who have NO experience with such things) ........... even using the word "Survival Instinct" .......... if you are BEYOND innocent, (yet still in a "frightening" situation) guess what???? a 'survival instinct' does NOT suddenly show up............ why? ... because you go way WAY out on a limb trying to cooperate with the cops............. (like the innocent bald dude did, (at first) when accused of robbery) it took him far too long to REALIZE what deep doo doo he was in............. because HE is the "type" who NEVER is in deep doo doo ........ that's EXACTLY what happened to Me... it . happens . a . lot . more . than . you . may . believe ........ a highly... "innocent" ...person, is NOT what the cops are accustomed to. They are accustomed to "Criminals" .............. and criminals have "survival" instincts.......... honest people do not NEED "survival" instincts (so we never had a chance to develop such things) ..........we do not "need" it. (so we get buried) ---- by the time you've figured out ...W.T.Hell... happened.................... it is too late
@martk fartkerson Unfortunately the same cannot be said for black people who were actually legally considered property and enslaved by rich Americans. They still get shot down by law enforcement.
@martk fartkerson That is incredibly illogical, hateful and childish. Two wrongs make a right? No they do not. Try thinking past the superficial level. Nobody should be punished for something somebody else did.
@skdjirrrdjdm I agree that it's a childish opinion, but explain to me how it's illogical. "Two wrongs don't make a right" is a philosophical norm, not a logical argument. The function of our moral philosophies are to right wrongs that reality fails to justify. But that doesn't make the unfairness of nature any less logical. Two wrongs make a right on a constant basis in nature, which is why we have a social contract with governments and institutions to protect our rights. I was making a very base statement of fact -- one that I disagree with on a philosophical level, but see as plainly evident in our human nature.
I was going to ask about this too. He then said that the woman’s testimony was found in court to be full of lies. So did the guy get jailed or didn’t he?
@Jose Rodriguez Well I think what you're saying makes no sense and is an antiquated view of reality. In my ancestor's viking society both men and women fought side by side on the battlefield. They served the same role -- to rape and pillage the weak.
@Steven John Tait He was jailed while awaiting his trial. It's not the same as being sentenced and doing prison time after a finding of guilt.
Everyone is taken into custody for that type of charge. If bond is set and they can afford it, they could possibly bail out until their trial. Otherwise they are stuck there for years sometimes. Preparing for a trial takes time.
No, there was no retrial. It was the only one, and he was exonerated.
He cant sue for wrongful imprisonment because he was never convicted of anything. He was not serving a sentence.
i dont hate women, but ive heard some pretty messed up things about the justice system in america. it seems like if that guy’s lawyer hadn’t caught candy lying on the stand, the guy could have gone to jail for another 20 years instead of just 2.
also wondering, was he held without bail? or could he not afford it?
@Y2 Krashman Eh, that's a little too philosophical. I was going for something so base that it bears no similarity to human philosophy, no metaphysical human interest plays into my assertion, but rather plays off of an unthinking causation.
@Fellow Memer Satire is a thing, my friend. Like Jonathan Swift's essay 'A Modest Proposal' which suggested that Irish Catholics eat their babies to solve a potato famine. He didn't literally mean that they should eat their babies. You're capable of understanding this concept, yes?
@Y2 Krashman Why don't you go back to your high school curriculum and review required reading. This is like asking someone to explain algebra. You should already know this if you're an adult. If you're not an adult, go read Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' along with some Sparks notes or something that will give you better context on the writing. Get a jump start on your education.
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Bill Bauer2020-10-24 01:18:32 (edited 2020-10-24 01:19:31 )
@Fellow Memer For every conviction one has, it is estimated that there are multiple crimes that one hasn't been convicted for. So he should just assume that he has been made to served time for one of his many other crimes. That has got to make him feel better about it.
@Bill Bauer Even with probability, the fact that is a prediction based on an average and also common sense, since I cannot get complete proof he may have done things wrong that total up to 2 years, I will feel sad about this. I appreciate you trying to make me feel better about this though.
@martk fartkerson DescriptionPoe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.
@Y2 Krashman Satire: The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
@martk fartkerson Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.
"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
@Willow Stephanie was, yes. The guy above said that men are being punished for treating women as 2nd class citizens, but, what our ancestors did does not reflect current men.
@Willow nono. Just saying that treating men badly because men before us treated women as 2nd class citizens makes no sense. That's what the guy I responded to was saying.
@L F feminism would argue that women are treated equally, so actually she definitely should have been punished and held responsible for falsely accusing him that respect!
Lol so basically the incels got triggered because a woman wasn’t charged for wrongfully putting someone in jail? How about Jusie smollet, and other artists. I can only imagine the incels behind their screens going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@L F um no feminism isnt about letting women do something as wrong as that and not being held accountable for it whatsoever idk who told you that it was but they were very mistaken.
Where I'm from you get a lot of cash for being wrongfully imprisoned. But I can only imagine that not to be the case in the states since it isnt exactly first world lol
@martk fartkerson They legit had huge political power and ruled the household, it's a misconception they were just treated as objects. Just read up roman history for fk sake.
@🌊 ocean 🌊 You re missing the fact cops had already decided he was guilty of this because of this past. the witness statment was icing on the cake. Cops didn't do their damn job.
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Gre Funky2020-10-29 22:29:44 (edited 2020-10-29 22:31:14 )
@martk fartkerson What are you talking about? You talk like modern day men are responsible for the crimes of deceased men? It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's like blaming all current Germans for the holocaust. Or calling all Americans murderers because their country was founded upon a genocide.
@Delian P. this is what I’m going thru rn but with a false rape accusation. It’s so crazy how cops will just believe whatever is first told to them. Smh
@Julie McCormick Thankyou... saved me some time. I wasn't sure if I was having a "derr" moment or the narration was slightly ambiguous on that point. Poor bas$%rd 🥺
@L F Nothing to do with feminism - what an asinine comment. It has a lot more to do with the obvious lack of laws around such circumstances and slippery slope between a witness lying and genuinely not remembering correctly.
@4Wayee It's funny, because I haven't wished ill upon anyone, I've simply posed a series a philosophical scenarios and jokingly quoted sitcoms and movies. But here you come with your double standards, wishing ill upon me and my loved ones to justify your outrage. Good one.
@Steven John Tait so considering his past, posting bail would be difficult price wise, if it wasn't denied altogether. So with court delays and for the actual trial to happen, this dude might have been in jail the whole time. People go to jail. Judges send you to prison. Jail is just the holding place until you go free or to prison.
@LF In terms of this kind of thing, you're right, it's Not equitable for men. Custodial issues almost always favour the woman as well. I I'm female so I know the ways the system works against my gender, up close. I don't think either sex gets off easy in life. Only the ways are different.
@martk fartkerson I'm so sorry about the loss of your dog. Sending you a hug and I'm sure she's up there where the grass is even greener and there is only endless treats, friends and frolics. I'll bet she greets you when your time comes to cross the rainbow bridge (or tunnel, or whatever it is for you).
@Bill Bauer so what? It doesn't mean he did the crime he's being accused of. Should you be judged for every dishonest mistakes or lies you've done in your life?
@Nate Climer So wait, was he imprisoned or not in the end? The trial was supposed to be before jail, right? So the truth came out and he didn't go to jail, right?
You never think it can happen to you until it does. I just went through it facing 10 years solely on a false accusation of one party. The DA and sheriff's came at me hard. Sheriff's posted me all over FB and was all over the news here in Alabama. Society had deemed me guilty off the FB posts and news. Thankfully exculpatory information came out at my preliminary and the judge threw it out. Sheriff's has since deleted the post and my mugshot, but I lost thousands on attorneys and job suspension until I was exonerated. It can happen to anyone and I'm sure there are plenty of innocent people in prison who weren't as lucky.
Isn't government supposed to pay for your attorney if you are pronounced not guilty?
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Jim Mcneal2022-06-04 21:40:46 (edited 2022-06-04 21:41:52 )
@Zachary Chapman I hope you will succeed, restore your good name and reputation and make them pay compensation, and that people will acknowledge the unfairness that happened to you. God bless
Born, raised, and lived in Canada my entire life. I've never once heard of one single officer being suspended WITHOUT pay, no matter the crime. If that was true, kudos to that department, but I have my doubts.
"Your guilt isn't in question because we have video evidence, but can you draw on this whiteboard to demonstrate where you were?" How the f*ck does this mouthbreather even exist? He should have been put in jail for this.
I love this channel not only because of the commentary, but the psychology elements discussed. I often don't pick up on social cues/strategy, so this is helpful with learning about them!
Me too dude! I have even had nightmares about it and lots of them regarding my family, like, they accusing me, me saying the truth and they not listening to me, it's nerve-racking 😐 That's obviously because I think they are unfair with me and blame me even when they are not even sure if I did something wrong or not, they just always assume I'm the person who did something wrong, even If I'm the person who's the first to admit that I did something wrong cause I don't like lying. I'm not perfect, I'm not saying I don't lie, I'm human, but I like the truth and I will always try to say the truth and be honest with everyone and mostly to myself. People in my family judge me because I don't go to church with them anymore, I go out at night woman I smoke weed, so...being a woman doing things like that is unacceptable for them, you know how hard Christians are... anyways.. When I listen to stories about innocent people being judged and deemed guilty of something they never did, omg it makes me feel soooo bad, imagining that I could be in that situation
i mostly trust our system, there are checks and balances all over the place to make sure nothing fishy is going on. the black dude's situation had the best outcome, he got money and 3 people got demoted and probably took a pay loss and their dept got their asses ripped and it was bad pr on top of it all
@Ingrid maybe you have a small social anxiety disorder. if so, its not a big deal. maybe thats why you smoke. i have been off and on those meds for 20 years, but i used to party daily 20 years ago. now my hobbies distract me enough to not even care to drink. truly i think partying is a form of self medication and as long as balance is maintained i see nothing wrong with it my self. i work in IT and i say that to mean my brain needs to function and i completely still can even while on the meds i mentioned, plus they are cheap. to each their own
I was falsely accused of bullying a girl in my grade by a cop when I was 14. Obviously not nearly as bad as being falsely accused of something and having to serve jail time, but that shit fucked me up. The cop swore up and down that they had all kinds of hard evidence and that the girl named me specifically. I cried (severe anxiety and depression due to a recent medical trauma had me crying over literally anything) and he pounced on that and shouted at me about my guilt. He refused to show me any of the evidence he had brought, and only showed my mom. Turned out the girl had only given a first name and the cop went to our school and got a list of girls in our grade with that name. I was the first on the list because of my last name. I had literally never heard this girl's name before that incident, I had no idea who she was. He later called and apologized to my mom. I've been very wary of cops ever since.
@Aboddon yup. like those three men that served 34 years in prison before being proven innocent. and what happened to the accuser? NOTHING. those 3 completely innocent guys' lives are RUINED, and nobody cares.
I have a conviction because a girl lied and nobody would believe me. I even pointed out that if what accused me of were true don’t you think there would at least be bruising, if not blood and broken bones. I’m a very athletic man of 6’3, and she was a petite girl of about 5’4 tops, if I had hit her I think she’d probably have died. It should have been blindingly obvious to everyone that she was lying. The worst thing is that all your friends will act like they never even knew you. Some of them might even say those exact words to your face, and then never speak to you again. Wonder of wonders, I was accused by another girl of assaulting her, and you won’t believe this, it is just ridiculous, she actually admitted in court that she started arguing with me, I tried to leave, and she chased after me and attacked me, I pushed her away from me and continued to make good my escape. When the magistrates asked me to explain myself I literally just said, yes that’s exactly what happened I don’t see how I’m supposed to have committed any criminal offence here, and they found me guilty of assault because they said “we don’t believe you.” This doesn’t logically follow since I said her story was true, if they don’t believe me they also have to not believe her. Everyone in the courtroom was a woman, I think they all found it very empowering to find a man guilty of hurting a woman’s feelings to the point she felt it necessary to assault him.
@Adam Clark falsely accusing someone for any crime is punishable in some states/ countries. the penalties for giving false information to the police are up to six months in jail and possible fines. and you can always sue for defamation/ libel.
Really because having a simple situation completely twisted to fit their motive was my reality from am entire police force at the age of 16. Also wanted me to take my pants off on their camera to be able to use the bathroom when I was not guilty of their stated claim at all. Avoided their constant manipulation and verbal attacks to aggravate me. 6 hours later get my unconditional release so no documentation needed reporting. I asked for a letter of confirmation and was denied. The ontario forces well Canadian government and their hits quad in general are sickening. Sadly the public doesn't get to see the majority of cases. We also recently had 3 cops unload on a vehicle kill a 1 year old and try to blame the father who simply had a dispute with a now Vilomah mother who probably wishes she had never called the trigger happy cops in the first place. Bet she won't be calling back anytime soon.
@Jason Brown no there's no check and balance they tend to defend the abusive actions at every turn. Especially here in ontario. My cousin is a cop they firmly believe they are the Sheppard to the sheep and for the most part they would be right but respect is earned not given. And I hold everyone of them to the negative action of one of their own. That much power requires some of the highest set standards. And for the majority they've proven to be a government task force and not protection of we the people. Happy to overstep our basic human rights each day. Look at all the homeless camps being cleared out when the shelters are overrun shutdown for lockdown or so rundown that if you are sober why you want to go live with a bunch who aren't.
@shea h yea the justice system is just a joke like voting. They make the appearance like it's fair honest and helpful but for the most part there's an agenda or quota to push.
@W33d Senpai by 2050 if we don't stop with this space race bs of trying to move earth's resources to another planet, without an artificial ozone layer solar flares will wipe us all put. That's the show I'm waiting for. History proves humans don't have the ability to stop destruction under government, capitalist and socialism and sadly that's the power that drives our world in this era. Socialism being the latest addition in the past 700 years or so
It's amazing that with the technology and resources that our justice system has now, they still get it wrong. The reason for false accusation lock up's is because the justice dept doesnt do their full job. It's about conviction totals.
@Aboddon I got falsely accused in college by a young woman when I was 18. Her story was so contradictory that it didn't even pass the whole school court system, and I missed the court thing. I wasn't kicked out of school or anything. I don't know what happened to her.
I got accused by a lecturer at school, for smoking on a day I was off sick... I laughed as I was so against smoking and still am... I then walked out of the classroom and didn't listen to any more of his idiocracy.
@Adam Clark In my part of the world, the cops like to completely wash their hands of it, so the only way to escalate the situation is to hire a 'pit bull' lawyer who can sue the person for making the false report. The problem is that the lawyer might want a new Porsche, so his client ends up paying for it. And if the media get hold of the story, the accused's reputation is destroyed. The consequential loss can hit hard, such as time off work, fragmented personal relationships, anxiety ... you can never recover from any of that. Money might help, but very few people have the cash to throw at a law suit that is just a he-said/she-said fiasco. One of the other things I've learned is that if a false report is made, the cop database is a honeypot (what goes in, stays in, permanently!), so whatever is in the false accusation or incorrectly written statement, the database cannot be edited. Furthermore the cops believe what's in their own database and use that against an innocent person at any time in the future. The impact of a false accusation can be really soul-destroying, and it's not made any easier when wrong-doers & mistaken cops don't have the guts to apologise for the personal distress they cause.
@Arianna Palmer That is how the law says it's supposed to work which is good, yet it is rarely ever applied. Many people get away with falsely accusing people. For example alot of false rape allegations, a huge majority of the time the accuser can get away with a mere slap on the wrist despite what the law says.
@C.R. i have my bad cop stories too. a few years ago a cop pulled me over because "looked lost", which was a lie. i said nope i am not lost, so can i be going now and he said not yet. license and registration please, then proceeded to ask why i was in the area and who was the kid with me. this was in small town indiana out in the middle of a bunch of corn fields. it was an extra vehicle of mine that only got driven about twice a year to make sure it got driven occasionally and the child was my nephew and he lived half a mile from from where we were pulled over by an unmarked truck that was speeding like 80mph down a road to catch me going 25mph down a gravel road. he was the retard for so many reasons and my rights felt violated, but i complied and was allowed to leave without incident. to be honest i always thought the cop thought i was black and it was a big nice old buick with big shiny chrome wheels.
@Adam Clark That's how almost every crime goes, do you know how many rape cases go without punishment or they get an easier sentencing because they have a life ahead of them? False rape allegations rarely happen and the person rarely gets in trouble for them, a man is more likely to be raped then falsey accused of rape
@Adam ClarkOne's life can come crashing down ... and in my part of the world, it happens s-l-o-w-l-y ... the cops take their time to process a complaint, and that time seems like an eternity when you're trying to go about your normal daily life while you're in a state of 'limbo' not knowing what's going to happen next and when. And don't even bother thinking about making a complaint ... it's cops investigating cops; biased, one-sided, unfair, prejudiced and outright evil. Oh, they're also pretty good at either 'planting' evidence or removing crucial evidence wherever possible, or at least making stuff up (lies?) to put into their reports & statements of fact. There are lawyers in my city who 'specialise' in dealing with false accusations from shonky cops; that's right, they're making a living out of it and are almost dependent on dishonest cops feeding their income stream.
@W33d Senpai who even mention the government or the system. I'm saying put yourself in their place and you will feel the struggle of the job and the hate you get for trying to protect the country
@W33d Senpai So what are they supposed to do reject the money and starve to death technically the government is paying you too. Just because they get directly paid doesn't mean they support the government and I'm sorry for your loss and i can see why you're angry, but you shouldn't judge every single cop just because some cops did something wrong. There's bad people in this world everywhere and unfortunately sometimes they manage to get a job in a police station, but the world would literally burn down if it wasn't for the law and the police.
@Shaik M I assume you all are talking about being falsely accused of sexual assault/rape. if that's the case, then statistically 2% of rape allegations are false. if you talk about robbery, murder, abuse etc, I can't say I know the statistics by heart, but men do commit abt 80% of murders, the biggest portion of robbery and most abusers are men, so I wouldn't say false accusations by women against men are too common in those areas.
@Sera I think we’re talking about false allegations and yeah it happens relatively rarely compared to other crimes but that doesn’t change the fact that the justice system has failed those men many times. There’s been multiple instances where there want even any evidence and the(innocent) accused still went to jail/probation/sex offender registry.
@Shaik M of course, it is a problem and the justice system has so many other problems like that too, which I'm not trying to deny. the thing that ticked me off was that one person's reply, that women accuse men more, when in reality, that's not true. and it's also not even the whole point - the problem here isn't the "gender war" it's the existence of charging innocents. so I think we agree?
@Sera yeah I definitely agree on that part it’s not a competition a problem is a problem that needs to be fixed. The only thing that ticked me off was that one person I think was saying false accusations don’t happen😭but yeah we agree
Just being accused by my step mother when iw as younger triggered me so much, I feel like if cops were falsy accusing me, I would basically explode in anger lol
@Adam Clark I don't know how this cop didn't go to jail. It's absurd. Glad that dude got a year's worth of pay for a few nights of bullsh*t. Should have came right out of the cop's pocket and left him penniless.
@GruppeSechs Agreed. That cop seriously had no reason to suspect that man was the culprit, so therefore he most likely holds bias. I think if an officer shows bias that should result in either a demotion, of losing your job. However that is unfortunately not how the corrupted police system works.
@Adam Clark Even a demotion is too lenient, because it clearly wasn't a mistake. He straight up lied about pretend evidence to corner an innocent man. Getting to keep a lower position after that is a slap on the wrist.
@A falsely accusing happens all the time. Convictions from false accusations are very rare however since you need to not only prove that the accusation is false, but also prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew it was false and did it maliciously. That's a very high bar and let's be honest, prosecutors are very "us vs them" minded people, and if they just got off a case trying to work with a "victim" to prove their attackers innocents, their unlikely to turn around and try to prosecute the victim even if it did come out that they were lying.
@C.R. Damn they apologized to your mom and not you?
Ngl I really hate how some people, particularly those with authoritarian instincts, tend to completely dehumanize kids. Children deserve respect and dignity too, apologizing to the mom and not the kid is like the modern day equivalent of apologizing to a man for hitting his wife. With that monumental of a fuck-up I feel like you at least deserve a hand-written apology letter.
So, he is going to arrest the guy, charge him with a crime, throw him into prison, and THEN he will investigate this case thoroughly to see if he is innocent? Yet another reason why people hate cops.
I watched all the videos on this channel twice except for this one. Seeing an innocent man desperately trying to defend himself is too sad. you can't help but think that this might happen to you one day, just minding your own business till a policeman arrests you and an investigator condemns you cuz he didn't wanna do his job and just pin it on anybody. Frightening.
A man who is unwilling to compromise or change is a lost cause, regardless of the degree of correctness they are believed to hold. This is frustrating and self-demeaning in friends and family, but it destroys lives and trust in the place of authority.
Man, with all due respect I don't give a crap about humans, there's only one authority and that is God's Law. Doesn't really matter if human laws interfere with God's, he's always the superior law.
@Mr. Kevin Also way to talk about brainwashing after giving the most brainwashed statement I've ever heard. Like I don't care if you're religious but "I don't care about the law because of religion" is just so removed from reality
@Mr. Kevin If you think or find out about what the human being really is, what the crown of creation means, that we are not ready developed as animals are, bút have to complete our human be(com)ing ourselves together, which is the greatest challenge and unique in the universe, maybe you'd think differently about the humans you don't care about.I wonder what kind of belief in God you have if you don't believe in His creation, in us? Most people have only a theoretical "belief" in God. And it is truly difficult to get a real, live one, since we don't get to hear or learn about it, have very few role models and society has reduced the Human being to animal, denying our spiritual part and potential.
We are supposed to develop and use our moral capacity, our freedom, and become godlike, be able to know what is right and to do it creatively in every situation. Most need to do a lot of healing childhood wounds and old paradigms in order to get access to our true selves. And so some shadow-work, to encounter and integrate our darkness. In order to be free to choose. Jordan B Peterson explains, the most dangerous person is the one who doesn't know and accept his dark side, but suppresses the knowledge and claims to be righteous. Believes himself to be good.
@Rowan Brown Hey, please don't use citation marks unless you are actually citing someone! That is a violation.You probably haven't even got what he meant right, right? I don't , and hope he clárifies it. It is an awful thing to be falsely quóted and claimed to have said something one has not. And to be wrongly interpreted and getting words put into one's mouth that one doesn't mean at all.
@Claudia Bothner No one, in the history of the universe, calls those citation marks. Also while the words weren't the exact same it was quite clearly what they were saying, 'I don't believe in the laws of man because I only follow the laws of god.' Was his exact point
I dont know where you saw any confidence from the cops. The interrogating officer was stumbling at each words he was saying. He didnt know where to go with his questions and had no idea how to get someone talking.
Stalin. Hitler. Mao Ze Dong. That's how powerful authority figures become corrupt - ignorance, or rather confident despite their ignorance (and many other things)
@DarthSlobbius Yes! And that is exactly what has happened in many police departments in the USA! They promote people for something besides their competence.
@Mr. Kevin If you're referring to the laws in Leviticus then they are bogus because shellfish are delicious, blended cloth is a fact of modern life and slavery is just wrong, even if your slaves are from another tribe!
@Lana c: Can I ask you a question with the promise of an honest answer? What is your perception of God? Clearly you know some stuff about Him… what would you believe His character to be, if He were real?
@Lana c: Forgive me if I have acted intrusively. It was certainly not my intention; I am rather curious as to the reasoning and perspective of others, including and in particular those of differing beliefs. Bear in mind that this is never an act of self-righteousness or as means of judgement. On the contrary, I do not wish to change your mind. If you are receptive, I think it would be interesting and valuable to exchange information to better learn from one another.
@Lana c: if I am correct in believing that you assume an evolutionary perspective for our origin story (which is simply the most likely), then I would like to hear the arguments for it, if you would be down. I’m not looking for a fight, I just honestly must know what makes that view so viable, as to support an impervious, ultra-logical explanation for our purpose and identity. I’m asking you because I would prefer to hear it from the mouth of an authentic believer, instead of polluting my mind with my own biased research. If you believe a different way, teach me in that. I will not fight to change, just listen.
@Lana c: Did I say anything to truly offend you? If I did not, why are you refusing to talk with me, even though I have clearly stated that I mean no harm or offense, and do not intend to even alter your mind? I genuinely wish, if you believe in any different way to me, simply to learn where you are coming from. To hear your side of the story. Obviously whether or not you talk to me is completely your choice, but it does seem rather strange that you would ignore anyone’s perspective purely because they think in a different way. If I’m mistaken, and you’re ignoring me for some other reason, feel free to correct me in that too (lol). Otherwise, why not share your opinions? I will not judge whatsoever, I’m just curious and want to exchange thoughts. Thoughts?
The super nice calm innocent man is fascinating to watch. I wish I could be as articulate and calm as him when facing very stressful and uncomfortable situation. Glad he was awarded the punitive damage amount. I would assume a lot of people that are wrongly treated by justice system probably don't even get compensated. So good for him!
"Getting a confession void of evidence is in fact an excellent for an investigator's career. Its a mark of merit and can accelerate promotion." Pure conflict of interest. Needs to be seriously addressed that the top priority for an interrogator as a servant of justice is to help justice prevail rather than get a confession. I read once that in some religious law, exonerating nine murderers by mistake is more moral than falsely executing an innocent.
This was great! When I watch your other videos, I can’t help but think of all the innocent people these interrogation tactics are used on daily. This was a great example of that
I can't imagine a worse nightmare than going to jail for a crime you didn't commit. The emotions and thoughts that must run through your head while in jail is frightening.
it's similar if you go to jail for intentionally breaking laws you believe are evil because of your ideology. i went to jail for possession of marijuana < 1oz, and no violent charges, as an act of civil disobedience against oppressive government, and i'll do it again. many of you believe I should not be criminalized for that, but some do. if you believe I and all the others in jail for drug only offenses should stay there, I believe you are evil
It's more fury than fright, there is fear though, you're in the custody of a government controlled terrorist organization populated mainly by psychopaths and sociopaths that can do anything they want to you without fear of reprisal.
Imagine being sentenced for offence you your self reported to police 😉 happened to me. Sentenced to 8 weeks suspended for 12 months for being honest. Got to love police and courts in UK. 🤢🤮
It's the stuff of nightmares. I spent my time in pretrial reading the Georgetown Law Book and asking questions like "Why is the burden of proof on me instead of the state like its supposed to be?" I ended up falling for the marketing scheme that is the Plea Bargain. The sad part is you're not released "corrected" either. There's this crusty/ cynical side to me now that I have to suppress on a daily basis. It sucks.
I actually went to prison for a crime I didn't commit but the government tries to scapegoat the suspect and put all the blame on them and not realise they are the ones who has created the situation
It happened to me, some friend of mine's grandmother thought she would teach him a lesson about asking her to have people over before inviting me down hours away, to fix his computer and spend the night... he went to work, she was off her medication and started freaking out on me for being there, I wound up leaving the house only to run into a friend of my friends, said the grandma was crazy and we walked the beach and skipped rocks for a couple hours... I was gone from the house to avoid argument until my friend came home, and she called the cops, told them i pointed a gun at her, and i went to jail, the next day I was sent to prison... I did literally nothing. turns out the kid I met up with had broke into a state-owned shed and stole stuff earlier that day... A police detective said he saw him and I together, I was slapped with another charge of breaking and entering... they said that i did all this stuff and I did nothing, but I was looking at a minimum mandatory sentence of 8-10 years for EACH CHARGE.... They MADE me lie in court and enter a plea bargain, said it was the ONLY way to get things reduced.... LONG story short, I wound up having to pay for a door I didn't break, do community service, and spend THOUSANDS on a lawyer, spend a couple nights in PRISON... 100% innocent. -.- the system is fucked and it nearly destroyed my life because no one listens to you when they THINK you are guilty.... The old lady even said "I didn't think they would send him (me) to prison... the state took the case over and now it's out of my hands.. I just said that so they would take him for the night and maybe he would learn to ask the person's family before just showing up." I lost a lot of trust that month, and gained a LOT of anger towards the system. they handcuffed me for 4 hours, FOUR HOURS with my hands up behind my back on a chain link fence inside the prison and laughed while walking by me as i was on my tip-toes trying to alleviate some of the pain from the handcuffs pulling my arms up to the center of my back behind me... They literally laughed at me and made "punching" motions at my stomach as they walked by like they were mock attacking me... I didn't hate cops before that, at all.. But now, I look at them all differently for sure. since every single one of them was shit in that place, every... single... one.
@N P Um considering you could spend your whole life in jail for something you didn’t commit I’d say that’s gotta be up there for one of the hardest life’s to deal with. But yea getting slowly beaten or tortured everyday is probably worse but having everyone treat you like a criminal when your not is not far off.
I live in Hamilton, Ontario and the cops here love to do the whole, "we know you did it we have evidence" thing. But they are so hungry for that "justice" they contradict themselves and it's just ridiculous. They also seem to focus so much on small time stuff and ignore the bigger issues in our city pretty blatantly.
glad that the investigators at fault faced repercussions and that michael got compensation :) i've watched a ton of interrogation videos but seeing these cases of innocent being treaty as though they were guilty is pretty scary....especially the fact that michael and many others might have or may be serving jail time for something they didn't/haven't done :(
I can't even imagine being in this scenario... One day when I was 20, my best friend's mom told me that she didn't trust me to carry her purse because she believed I'd stolen $20 from her back when I was 15 years old. Everyone standing there clearly remembered the situation she was referring to, and how it had been another ex-friend that had stolen the money. Apparently, for years, the mother had forgotten and just pinned it on me in her memory since I was always around so often as her daughter's best friend, and she 'knew how poor I was, meaning it'd make sense for me to risk it'. I literally cried about the false accusation for days, couldn't stop thinking about it, and have still never felt comfortable around her knowing that she could even think I could do something so unkind, let alone to people I was so close to. So, imagining being accused of something bigger like this? I would crumble!
In the white guy's case, I can understand the officer's arrest, and hesitation in believing his innocence due to having an eye witness that placed him as the perpetrator of those crimes. However, the black gentleman had way more patience and civility than anyone I've ever met. That detective, and the arresting officers, should have been immediately fired and faced charges of their own for false arrest, false imprisonment, and negligence. For that man to spend 3 1/2 days in jail, when he didn't even come close to the description of the suspect, and for that detective to falsify every shred of evidence against him, and then to not immediately follow up on any of the man's alibi, is an absolute disgrace. Every single case this detective has ever had a hand in should again be called in to question, and looked at with fresh eyes. $46,000 seems to me like a very small judgement. With only having limited avenues to hold police and government accountable, if it doesn't hurt them badly enough, they will continue to perform their duties or the negligence of same in the manner they do without repercussion.
Seeing that man desperately defend himself, after having already been to prison and knowing that he could be going back again, is so sad and frustrating.
Having been involved with the criminal system before i can only imagine what was racing through his head man. The first time was scary enough. Most stressful period of my life.
@yumyumhungry Ill bet she didnt go to jail. America is a joke.
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Daniel D2021-06-24 16:25:56 (edited 2021-06-24 16:41:03 )
@NaySay Network This is Canada, not the US. So North America yes, but not the US that I think you think it is. Plus the police officer sounds English. EDIT: The second one is in the US and you probably meant that one..
Well damn. Respect to this guy. Had it been me, I would at least have ended the conversation with telling him I was looking forward to receiving a full apology from this guy once he had actually done his work.
I had something like this happen to be a few years back, you see I work as a CNA or Certified Nursing assistant, I have been for 8 years. I was told that I was being suspended and a full investigation was being made after a resident claimed a male touched her inappropriately and at that time the only guys that worked nightshift was a male nurse and myself. But she had also had 2 other guys come into her room for a scan (of which I didn't know because it happened TWO days prior so she "waited two days to tell anyone) well I go to work and my nurse asks me why im at work and I said because Im suppose to work. Apparently they had called me to tell me not to come in which He said but just said work tonight and just dont come in tomorrow and I'll tell them you know that (I never got a phone call) well fast forward to after work I get home and 2 hours later I'm getting a call from work with the DON - Director of nursing, HR, APS, and a few other people on the line. To tell them what happened, they say ok we will have to suspend you until the investigation is over. Guess what it "lasted" less then 10 hours cause they fired me. Reasons? because the person who touched her had short hair... WE. ALL. HAD. SHORT. HAIR. SO anyway, I have to go to get investigated after the fact, of which the detective did this same shit, accused me, told me "HE knew the story and KNEW the truth" just wanted me to say it. Like He asked me why I had a new CNA job almost every year.. Man I dont know.. the fact that I AM a cna and we are always trying to find a better job opportunity? Because CNA's are tried like shit by most hospitals and nursing homes and on top of that I was also a traveling CNA so I would go from house to house taking care of the elderly via a temp agency where I would be called and asked if I could go do the job ( that job paid 8.50 and hour, the nursing home paid 12) He even accused me of jumping jobs so much cause it was my sick way of getting my kicks and then leaving. He even tried to go as far as say I was fired from a Job because of my lateness and calling out of work all the time, I caught him on his bullshit right there cause I hardly EVER called out of work, shit I went to work for 3 days after I had a back injury trying to lift a resident who had fallen an my coworker refused to help lift him. Pulled my back out and still came to work until I had to leave work because I was in so much pain I was in tears all my coworkers knew it. and the APS woman tried the same thing by asking me if I was gay and thats why I did it. Wanna know the best kicker of all this? I took a polygraph test - lie detector. and Low and behold it came back "inconclusive" They couldn't tell if i was "lying" or not. I know the tests aren't 100 percent be all way all. But we all know it came back I was telling the truth and the company didn't want a lawsuit. I could have easily still filed becuse they didn't give me a copy of the test to have it relooked at but I didn't want anything else to do with that company after that. So the title of this fits it so well, expect in my cause I was guilty and that was it.
I was falsely imprisoned myself, due to some technicalities of a previous sentence (a DUI from 2016). Just being accused of a crime, any crime at all, was in violation of the terms of my probation. So I was accused of one which the state has actually dropped charges on, but had to serve out the remainder of my probation on because I was denied bond until the probation period ran out.
It f***s you up pretty bad mentally to be truly innocent in jail.
The officer got so excited about finally using the interrogation techniques he learned at the academy, that he forgot to check the most important part of an investigation: the evidence.
@Julius Perseus Jokes on him, if you watched the whole video, he got demoted and suspended for his lack of caring. The evidence he claimed to have "seen" was bullshit too, defenitely thought he'd get the job done quick, get his pay and ruin someone's life.
@ira Holden That really doesn't help. ACAB was started as a mantra to blame the tools and not the lawmaker's hands that hold them. Keep saying that, and don't bother the nice politican saying sweet nothings honey darling.
@Zae Suspended? Not fired on the spot and for the rest of his life rendered unsuitable for this line of work? Because in that case, wow, that's the real joke here.
nah theres no doubt of that they have him on the tape right there kekw, where you can't even see dudes face and just because he too wore a white tshirt
@ira Holden Yes, keep playing into the slimy hands of the politicians and lawmakers—“Ah, nothing to see here! ACAB! Yes, we control how those guys operate and therefore, we’re the ones who can actually implement reform, but we won’t because we don’t actually care and ACAB is just an easy way to garner cheap support every election cycle!”
@Abundance of Realities what the fuck do you mean she accused him for something he didnt do besides he's actions spoke louder then words and what he said was the truth
@Emma I guarantee you anyone saying ACAB hates politicians and the whole government in general so idk what you’re on about lmao. I know I hate the whole system and want it fixed 🤷 I agree some people saying ACAB don’t even actively do shit to help, but many of us do.
@Random Anon No ACAB was created to emphasis the inherently bourgeois nature of the police after early attempts at getting them to side with their own people over that of the government all met with complete failure. Conservative, Liberal or communist, when given the order to massacre civilians, the police have almost never in all history not followed through
@Zae shouldve been fired for that he shouldnt get to attempt to ruin someones life to further his career. Cops like that are parasites on society. At least he got some justice i guess
ira Holden2021-06-21 06:52:52 (edited 2021-06-21 06:53:31 )
@Emma I'm not playing into their hands, I spend most my free time reading theory on what to do, how to do it and how to get others on board.
Ask yourself, where exactly do you get your information on theory and how the world works and which organisational methods are most effective? Do you read the old theory books yourself and discuss them with people across the entire political spectrum or do you just consume news, movies, music and other media, all of which are owned by billionaires and then just trying to intuit the answers to everything with this dirth of study alone?
If the answer is yes you should stop lecturing others and start lecturing yourself. Read books, listen to audiobooks, most the crucial world changing texts are free in many forms on the Internet now
@Zae usually when law enforcement know that someone did it(beond resonabe dought) they will do that tactic to get more evidence out. But that detective should have not done that.
Police dont care if you are actually guilty. As long as they get a notch on their statistics on solving crime. The more people convicted the better the statistic. It's like a call center, every case closed makes the statistic seems better. Whether the case was actually solved does not matter, only the statistic.
@Abundance of Realities it’s sad no one believes women who have been raped too but you can’t win them all lol give yourself a break
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The Last Knight2022-06-21 15:16:33 (edited 2022-06-21 15:23:23 )
This happened to me.. I'm English, and was arrested for a domestic disturbance. I lived in the building next door and was outside smoking when the police showed up. I was wearing dark clothes and had my hood up, evidently the same description as the actual suspect. I have to say though, I was calm and collected also. I knew I was innocent. I knew there were cameras on my street, and I knew I could prove I lived in the second building. I was also quite comfortable knowing that the girl who had called the police would confirm I wasn't the right guy. I have also been as angry as the second guy, though not in a police situation. Being accused of being unfaithful with 'evidence', I was more that angry. I hated being accused of something I didn't do. Strange how different situations can draw majorly different reactions.
I would think that the difference between michael and justin is that michael believes in the justice system and knows it's just a matter of "sorting out the problems" and that everything will be just fine. I would think I would be more like michael, having that "we'll figure this out together" aproach.
Terrifying fact: all it takes to be hauled off against your will to be questioned by people who are allowed to lie to you all they want and are there to get you to confess to a serious crime, is for someone to accuse you of said crime and you be unfortunate enough to have stayed in that night
Well, spending three and a half days in prison for 46 thousand dollars? Actually not that bad. Still, for most people, this could be traumatizing. I know it would be for me, I really hate injustice, especially when it's happening to me. Kudos to this man for being so calm.
I was arrested and charged with 1st degree murder. The victim came and testified he wasn't dead but his testimony wasn't allowed in court because the victim cannot testify on the defendants behalf. It didn't take 2 years but I was in jail in the maximum security ward with murderers and rapist for almost 6 months before I was released with no charges pressed only after I signed away my rights to sue the state for wrongful imprisonment.
@AwakenedLemming you know that signing something under those cercumstances would invalidate the agreement you made because you was being falsely imprisoned. You could still sue.
@Thong La well...how do you describe all the innocent people who later was found not guilty....after spending years in prison. Then we can talk about those who still is innocent and in jail
Thats so messed up. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Laws like that show that the law is completely skewed in order to try and get convictions, not find the truth.
@Mitch H There is a world outside of The USA. In these countries the justice system is hold to a higher standard as in your country. We are not led by corruption, racism or greed. That is why I trust the justice system in my country.
@Skywalker Your comment makes it seem like is you who didn't watch the video, the video is about a man that spent 3 days in jail for not committing a crime and has a case of an innocent man that spent more than 2 years before being exonerated; you as an innocent person have more to fear than an actual criminal because you can lose years of your life because someone else didn't do their job well enough.
Not so sure about the "absolute" part, but yes if you are innocent and police want to keep interrogating you after a reasonable period of time (a few minutes, not hours), you ought to get worried enough to lawyer up.
@AwakenedLemming Did your lawyer say that was the best course of action? i can't imagine the fear of being in prison like that, but i feel i would have done everything possible to not have to sign that
My civics teacher brought a lawyer once. The lawyer pretty much said never talk until u have your lawyer with u. It's been known that cops or even the system fks the innocent more then the actual crime/ crimee
@AwakenedLemming There's something screwy with your account. You were "released with no charges filed" yet you already stated you were charged with 1st degree murder. Further once it was determined that the supposed victim was alive, the charges would be dropped and there would be no reason to continue in the court, has noting to do with getting to the point of a victim cannot testify on the defendants behalf.
Further even if you had been held in jail, you would be released upon the appearance of the supposed victim, and not have to sign away any rights to sue. FURTHER if you as an innocent person were forced to sign to be released, that would qualify as being under duress and a good lawyer could void that.
I might change my mind if you supply the country this happened in, perhaps their laws and procedures are quite different than in the US.
@H I was in a male/female prison and I worked with some of the females doing laundry. One of them was doing life on a murder charge, and her victim was not dead. Her victim was STILL ALIVE and this like, 22 year old girl was going life.
@Mystery Meat Soup I was involved in a bar brawl that got way out of hand. How it went from assault at the worst to murder is beyond me, I was already in police custody when they read me the charges. When my friends heard what I was charged with they freaked out knowing the group we'd gotten into a fight with(stupid drunk fight with semi friends/acquaintances we'd known for years they just picked the wrong night to talk shit we'd just buried a friend) and knowing nobody was seriously hurt much less dead they reached out to them. Of course nobody wanted to come forward as being involved in the brawl because there was damage to vehicles and the bar itself. Eventually when he was shown the charges he went to the police station and gave his account of that night. The district attorney actually tried charging me with witness intimidation after learning my friends contacted the victim on my behalf. This happened in 2004 in Colorado, there was an article written in the Gazette (local paper) about my plight that basically saved me from a prison sentence. I wasn't an innocent victim but it was very far from reality.
@ok_Regan Music he wanted me to stay incarcerated and sue, but I was offered my freedom days before my sons 2nd birthday and I didn't want to stay incarcerated for money, looking back I should have but at the time I just wanted my freedom and to be with my family.
@Stinky Cheese Happened in El Paso county Colorado in 2004. They dropped the relevant charges as well (assault and destruction of property) like I stated I wasn't completely innocent, just grossly overcharged.
@Thong La yeah, I dont live in the USA. You can say something so laughably false, but its just you being beyond naive. Please do us the courtesy of telling us this magical country with no corruption racism or greed?
@Thong La Your innocence is endearing. The justice system is set up on averages and with the assumption that every victim is correct, that eye witnesses do not make errors, and that police is always right. Juries are always bias (we are all bias), the more violent the crime, the more empathetic the prosecutor's position is. People want to feel safe and they would rather believe they had the right person, even when they are not sure of guilty, then that they released a potential criminal. The system may not be completely broken but relies heavy on the infallibility of its citizens (law enforcement officers included).
@AwakenedLemming Wow, i completely understand, actually more than the money i think i'd do it to clear my name, if someone asked me if i've been in jail i would like to be able to say "yes, but i sued them for the injustice" i 100% agree though that you did the right choice by being in your sons bday, who knows how much longer it would have taken
Yes, but someone who is confident in their justice system will be more bold and relaxed. Obviously when truth is distorted and people go to jail from mere accusations, you're going to be a nervous wreck.
@Skywalker The "narrative" is using psychology to claim that if someone is guilty they must (usually) be guilty based on the cop's "experience." Thats not true at all, you never know how somebody will react. You always consider why they might react one way or the other.
what? both eventually were let go. one guy two years but thats still not as bad as if he was guilty. how is that more to fear? i agree 'nothing to fear' is BS tho
It's funny you say that, I've failed 3 polygraphs all for different reasons. Finally got on with a department visa voice stress analysis. A friend of mine said I was TO honest during the polygraph
@AwakenedLemming I’m not an expert in law by any means, but here’s what I see with your situation. The agreement you signed should be invalid because you were under duress. You feared that you wouldn’t be released from prison (a dangerous place) if you didn’t sign the agreement. Similar to entering the agreement with a gun to your head.
@andrefaaa Yeah you should never talk to the police. It is illegal for them to hold you for no reason and to search your things without a warrant. If you say "ok sure" then they can do what they want. I simply say "no its a waste of time for you and me" and go about my day.
@Thong La completely false. Sometimes the police want to the case to be over quick and smart. So they interrogate you long enough to break your will and force you to confess under duress. Its illegal of course, but it happens.
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear": A quote made by and used by Nazi leader and The propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels. This horrendous quote is still said to this day in our society.
I think the way this works, is that if you are middle class, have a mortgage, then you are very vulnerable. But if you are a minority with a rap sheet, the investigators and prosecutors will work to help you stay off prison.
@Stinky Cheese there was a crime story of a man convicted of murder based on the testimony of a child eyewitness. When the DNA evidence exonerated the convicted man, the prosecutor tried to throw away the DNA evidence arguing the DNA was not used in convicting and should not be used in exonerating. I guess the system works as long as you are not the one behind bars.
I can't find the reference to the case I mentioned, but I did find link to the evidence pointing to the prosecutors resisting DNA evidence even if it contradicts their assumption of guilt for the accused.
@Thong La thats the thing, you shouldnt trust the justice system. its shit, its rigged as fuck. listen to any defense attorney talk about difference of outcomes.
@Skywalker police twist words. Any lawyer worth their salt will say, "never, ever, speak to the police even if you are innocent." They're not talking to you to see if you're the right guy, they're seeing what statement they can get to arrest you and put you in jail. The law is, anything you say will be used AGIANST you, not for you. If you are innocent DON'T talk to the police, if they make a arrest, everything you said is now going to be used against you. there's an awesome lecture on YouTube about it actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
@Sam Fisher then show me numbers and not some CNN articles. Because yes it is in the number show it. Most people that commit crimes are the people that committed those crimes hi. I think you need to look at National averages and how many people are in jail now. Regardless of what you think it is still rare
@Thong La why would anyone trust that system? im terrified of having anything terrible happen to me as a girl because i know i wont get justice because the system is corrupt and always has been
@Cameron Grant Defense attorneys are usually the good ones, tehy hate prosecutors too bc they dont get paid shit.
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Hans Gerber2020-11-19 00:21:03 (edited 2020-11-19 01:31:40 )
there have been wrongfull inprisonments for decades in the US. There are people who have sat in prison for decades or where wrongfully sentenced even to death... so yea
@Cameron Grant yea I chose it because I originally saw it in connection with Metallica and only later learned about it's true meaning ... I still associate it mainly with Metallica tho ^^
Law enforcement has been known to target to people also, to make their job quicker. I've got social anxiety and If i was accused I'd react strongly and challenge their perception. Microexpressions cannot be used as evidence in court due to the various reactions out there and again perception.
@Skywalker Did you? The person WAS INNOCENT and he was locked up for 3 days, then the officers involved in his arrest and initial investigation were suspended. Again, he was innocent and had MORE to fear because he was unable to prove his innocence as an innocent. A guilty person doesn't have that on their mind, they want to trick the investigator but they know they are more than likely going down if already in that chair.
@Sky NightZ So you think a guilty person would have had less to fear? Do you think they would've let a guilty person go after 3 days, suspend the officers AND give him some money?
that's what Sydney Powell's been trying to tell everyone since 2014 that the system is broke always have an attorney on hold called I think a blind retainer normally 100 to 400 dollar never ever talk to the police without on even if ur trying to help
Indeed. There is only one thing you can say to get you out of such a mess IF you are ever apprehended wrongfully: "I want my lawyer." This is the ONLY answer you should give to ANYTHING they say.
@Skywalker did YOU? Just because body language and even EVIDENCE of their innocent doesn't mean they don't sit and rot in jail before they even get their day in their court. And even when innocent people do get their did get their day in court they can very easily go to prison. The guy who just got off a bus and body language screamed innocent still went to jail.
@AwakenedLemming what promoted you to sign your rights away? Just to be released? I believe it's obvious they can't hold you forever when the dead victim is alive, so you did to prevent some time in jail?
@Your Inner Lawyer So you're telling me you think they would've let a guilty person go in that situation? Or why would a guilty person have less to fear?
Micheal deserved to be treated better by the investigator (either guilty or innocent). The investigator repeated multiple times that he was trying to be nice to Micheal when he actually wasn’t and you can tell by the tone of the investigators voice when he said that sentence.
I’m so glad the investigator got demoted, he is such a d*ckhead.
Tell me about it. Living at my uni dorm with no computer, to be arrested at 6Am by Interpol agents accusing me of hacking into the government for the past 3 years. No computer. A fucking law student. Yeah, innocent people have too much to fear. Cops who aren't familiar with computing are dangerous.
Plea deals exist in part to be able to push people who aren’t guilty to admit guilt to reduce a sentence just so that the police can say they “solved” a cases
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I agree Birgitta, the guilty, although they don't want to be convicted and go to prison, have the knowledge that they are deserving of their fate, the innocent know they don't deserve a conviction because they aren't guilty.
@Skywalker That only would work in a vacuum. In reality there's massive amount of innocent people jailed. Incompetent, biased or straight up corrupt officers, prosecutors or judges have no care for what was mentioned in this video.
@Thong La Did you really just say "My country isn't run by corrupt pigs so I trust my police service" but in nicer words? Like... Mimi Pham is right, you are a bad troll.
Like, cops are humans, different humans act differently, thereby resulting in bad cops, all across the globe. (just as likely to have a good cop though!, and it's even better when the country isn't a dogmatic dictatorship that demands you to obey or else!)
@AwakenedLemming You can still sue. They can't make you sign away your constitutional rights. You can actually sue for that too, and it should be an open and shut case. You could get a lot of money from those bastards. If I were you, I'd start my lawsuit right this second. Wrongful imprisonment, and breaching your constitutional rights. Lot's of money. Think of how much bullshit you could get out of from that --no more fear of debt, a better job (since employers discriminate against the poor), a decent house, a decent car, financial security, a good savings/growth plan, invest in stocks, invest in your children's futures, and so on. And you'd be sticking it to those bastards who wrongfully and knowingly put you away while they were well aware the "victim" was literally alive.
People have their lives ruined and ended over false convictions. People are falsely accused of rape that spend years in prison before being found innocent. People are found guilty of murder and executed, only to be found innocent years or even decades later.
The first rule of talking to the cops: dont doesn't matter if you are innocent or guilty. Cops are not your friend and they will pretend to be it is their job to get someone, anyone arrested for whatever crime.
@AwakenedLemming how is the person alleged to have been murdered not even allowed to testify in court that he was never murdered in the first place??? That is so cracked! And fucked.
@Sam Fisher "internet articles are there the one day the next they're gone." That's not New York State that's everywhere. I live in Louisiana run by Republicans and I've had the same thing happen to me
@Sam Fisher I believe it's the same everywhere because it's not the federal, state, or local government doing this but that portion of the "deep state" that exists in the private sector. We used to call it the shadow government.
temporary restraining orders are a form of guilty before proven innocent. all one has to do is allege domestic abuse which doesn't even mean physical abuse mind you, and your children will be taken away from you as well as property with custody being granted to the other party. very sad and probably the main reason for fatherless homes.
@Skywalker I mean he's sorta right. Just because you're
innocent doesn't mean you can't fear or be nervous. Hell, even the bald guy said "I'm freaking out a little" before he was taken to his holding.
@Crethan21 nope his name was Chad Throw and it was witness intimidation to ask him to come to court after his written statement to my lawyer was dismissed because victims can’t testify in the defendants behalf. There was an article about the case in the westword in July of 06
@AwakenedLemming bro stop trolling these dudes...I did actually go down the Bernard Gilligan rabbit-hole, you should buy that guy some prison rations or something....
@AwakenedLemming dude that was not first degree murder, that would be ATTEMPTED murder. The prosecutors must have been out of their mind, or they wanted the maximum sentence for you. I'm sorry that happened to you man, that should happen to no one.
@Brendan Schoen it's fine if you don't believe. Why such a problem with a spelling error? Could you not understand the argument? Is there a reason why you want to believe?
@Extraordinary ActSofGlasS Well if you count all the people in for Marijuana, then their are a ton of innocent people in jail frankly.
And you uh have to remember our justice system works off tons of plea deals and admitting to shit to get lighter sentences regardless of if you did it.
@AwakenedLemming you can still sue. Signing something under the impression that if you don't sing. You will rot in prison forever. Is not a valid signature. I would have signed it. Man I can't imagine murder charges when I just got burglary. I didn't do the burglary. Lost half my life now live in exile. All for finding a ring. And pawning it. But yours beats mime. I bet you thought it was a wrap. Did you hold hope you would get out? Sorry you had to go through that shit man.
@Skywalker what? Did you even watch the video and listen to what he talked about? One of the guys got sent to prison for 2YEARS even though he was innocent, it took that long before he was given the chance to prove that he didn't do it. I don't think you really understand what the video was about
@AwakenedLemming "Merica!"....fucked up piece of shit system , I hope to live long enough to see the police defunded and the system completely reformed, America's youth need to realize their power and come together to change the country and the world!
Shit I'd serve 3 days for that much money I would laugh and ve happy I'm getting a good pay check at the end of the day id probably tell the cop thats amazing how much do I get per day I'm wrongly imprisoned? Because damn I'd stay there for just enough days to pay off a house.
If your innocent sure getting convicted and losing your rights by the state is scary, but otherwise would an innocent person try to run, escape, or actually be honest and confident?
Skywalker did you not watch the video lmao? The police are corrupt and don’t actually give a fuck they just want an arrest. That why you should ALWAYS ask for a lawyer when your being questioned.
Today it's GUILTY until proven innocent in our society. Even being accused will destroy someone's life. Innocence is in the eye of the beholder. Regardless of your guilt, you absolutely need to fear being charged with anything.
@AwakenedLemming what. The. Fuck. I hope you're all good. That's a travesty and horrendous. I wish you could say you signed under duress(having to stay in jail is absolutely fear inducing) because someone absolutely should be held accountable for stealing 6 months of your life, giving you PTSD, and damaging your future and life because of the accusation alone. Fucking terrible.
@Mister No Nonsense i just hit "show more" to browse over 260 comments. I felt the scroller lagging more and more as I did it just to get to ur original comment again xD Ye they sure have an important job, they really shouldn't be doing any mistakes with that.
@AwakenedLemming Ah, damn! I’m in Colorado and I know El Paso county. Like I tell my friends … Colorado doing the most 🙄 If you’re ever in the Denver area, I’ll buy you lunch! Least I can do bc they used my tax money to F you over 😊
@Maniacofmines there is 2 one in the westword and one in the gazette telegraph both from july 2004 idk the dates I don’t have copies as I was incarcerated
@Violette Ramirez then I’d be waiting for my next court appearance months away and no matter what would probably have been convicted of witness tampering and assault. (I was 100% guilty of assault and destruction of property)
@AwakenedLemming I 100% guarantee that any document or contract you signed is unenforcible. Get a good lawyer and you will have a huge sum of money awarded to you. No one can kidnap you and then say “we will let you go sooner if you sign something saying you wont press charges or sue”, not the state, not the federal government, nobody.
Once you're targeted, it's fucking scary. I was once arrested during a traffic stop (that didn't result in a traffic ticket because I didn't do anything wrong) after having my car searched. I was arrested for having a larger pepper spray than that state allowed and the cop asked me SPECIFICALLY if I had any cocaine on me and I started hyperventilating. I thought FOR SURE I was about to have cocaine planted in my car, I was so scared. Cops are fucking scary when you're in their proverbial crosshairs. I kept calm because I was terrified and I'm a 100 lb. woman whose biggest fear is being beaten by a man - let alone a cop who can say I was resisting or difficult. Nothing compared to being accused of murder, but it would've been a few years in jail in that state and that was a scary couple hours. I didn't think I was getting out of there.
If it's true what you say (which sounds weird you "having to sign away your rights to sue the state") I would dedicate a good portion of my next life stage into going public and revealing every little bit of that story in all media about how the state operates. You have only to gain, for you and for any other innocent person who has or might still face it. Maybe others would come forward as well. We can not have corrupt law systems.
Exactly, one of my family members is falsely accused of something he/she didn’t do. It’s scary especially when they didn’t do anything they’re accused of rather than when they actually did it.
@AwakenedLemming i hope you dont still regret leaving incarceration to be there for your sons early childhood. Money you can replace but time like that you cant buy.
@AwakenedLemming Hey I know I'm very late as it's been six months, but would you happen to know the name of the article or how I can find it? It sounds really interesting.
@AwakenedLemming "The victim came and testified he wasn't dead but his testimony wasn't allowed in court because the victim cannot testify on the defendants behalf. " This is some clown-world level legal system.
Weirdly enough in my country it isn’t guilty until proven innocent, but innocent until proven guilty. Thus “if you are innocent you have nothing to fear” as there shall be no evidence.
@AwakenedLemming I know someone who went through something similar. Someone I know was seen walking through a park at night, the same park a murder just happened to take place in. The police planted fake evidence in his car, he got arrested and charged for the murder he had no idea happened, and had his entire life ruined. Dude was in jail for like, 15 years before it came out that the evidence was planted. And just like you, he wasnt allowed to leave until he signed papers saying he wouldnt sue for wrongful imprisonment. Honestly kind of fucked how they are so willing to protect themselves like that to save face, but it does the opposite it makes the courts look flawed as fuck.
@Thong La I‘m not sure what country you live in but it‘s certainly not in Europe. Australia and New Zealand have their own problems and are no less protectorates than Canada.
Innocent people still have nothing to fear, save for their own emotional outbursts making them suspects. Someone who seems emotional is gonna give a lot of red flag vibes to the police for various reasons. The guilty have this too, but they also have the fear of people finding the truth of their actions.
Better thing to say would be that “emotional people have more to fear”
@AwakenedLemming I'm suprised that so many people believe in your fishy story, as your tale for attention is clearly ostensible. I won't believe you unless you give corroboration, such as images of the case file with the sensitive information redacted.
@AwakenedLemming Ok, so you're either Kaj Linna, in which case you were compensated for 18 million SEK, or you're Cameron Todd Willingham, in which case you were executed, or you're Jerry Watkins, in which case you were compensated with $475,000, or you're Crystal Weimer, who spent 11 years in prison, or you're just an internet troll. You tell me who you are.
Look up the video "Don't talk to the police" by regent university. It's a lecture from a defense attorney and a sheriff explaining that even if you're innocent they will find a way to make you guilty.
@Skywalker did YOU watch the video? Lol... They tried to bluff and entrap him by lying to him, then mistreated him to the point the suspect had to sue the city...
the end of the video was satisfying. the detective was far out of line and definitely deserved the demotion. the falsely accused is one of the kindest souls i've ever seen, i could never be so understanding and patient.
Due to previous circumstances in life, I know I would react like Michael. Not because I’m especially intelligent but just the fact that it would never cross my mind that I’d actually ever go to prison. Which is probably naive. But it’s just an insane thought to me to be told there’s video evidence of me doing something I didn’t do. Hope it never happens to me
Try doing something completely legal and normal, but someone who hates your guts for whatever reason accused you in bad faith of serious felonies, and then you are illegally investigated as a result.
Yet it happens to people all the time. And despite making out like they're "looking for the truth", the prosecutors just want to win and prove their case. They twist and manipulate, and the Cops lie in looking for information. Sure that's valid if the person is actually guilty, except what about for when they're not? Unfortunately coming out the other side with only a few days in jail and a nice settlement is rare. Many of the falsely accused end up behind bars. I know the majority there in jail are guilty, but I'm guessing that doesn't make it any better on those who are innocent and in there.
@MewmewGrrl You are 100% spot on right. The "special agent" from the DEA straight up LIED in my case on the stand. So did the ADA in the new media. They don't want the truth, they just want to fuel their careers. Well, I hope the 3 years I did in Chowchilla helped their careers, and that they enjoy their lives here on Earth... Because there's One Who is the Righteous Judge, and He NEVER gets it wrong. Ever...
For real... It's enough to promote paranoia, self-monitoring (like having a video camera recording you at all times), and other extreme measures. It's terrifying
@Mcfischl lol, all you can say is if you agree or disagree, but who is going to disagree? Like you just said fr and agreed. What else is there to talk about?
In a lot of cases you probably won't be charged. For the one in the US it's really unfortunate he had a criminal background, and in that area. It makes his word look that much less credible, and is just sad. This is might be exactly why he was set up though.
In the main case for the video though, the officer just didn't do their job to a disgusting extent. Their dismissiveness to any other narrative makes them extremely dangerous as a police officer.
Yes. And I'm pretty sure I would react more like that first guy. In crisis, a switch flips, and I get very cold and analytical. The more upset I am on the inside, the more controlled I appear on the outside. They'd probably "read" me as some kind of psychopath, even though I'd be fuming inside and holding myself in check.
k A2021-07-04 23:16:05 (edited 2021-07-04 23:16:44 )
Yeah, my middle school social studies teacher who was also a coach got fired when charged for a case of domestic violence and abuse and went to prison for a month but was ruled innocent. The ex gf was then found guilty. He got his job back but he wasn't his happy and joking self afterwards, just very quiet and somber.
I can attest to that. I got convicted by a jury of my peers too. Absolutely horrific and It makes me feel a certain way when people say this type of thing only happens to black men.
I got 3 months because behind me the police came and I didn't even notice them. Someone else threw 2 boxes of pills without having prescrription and they chose randomly who is gonna pay for the boxes they found. I still boil inside when I think about it. I acted as the second guy, extrovert and highly combatant but got 3 months anyway.
@Mcfischl When you see commenters with a checkmark next to their name you might as well be looking at the avatar of a cult leader the way people react to them.
Happened to me as a hispanic, was charged and sent to jail with no one to talk it put with, they just put me in jail, no evidence, even tried calling me crazy to avoid letting me stand trial.
It’s funny because i got accused of crashing to someone and wounding him. i was just scared shitless. I was a teenager at the time and drove without a license (i know that’s bad but who didn’t do this?) and one morning, my mother received a call from the cort or sonething and after couple of hours, she called me crying and i was just speechless, and even she and my dad didn’t believe in me. It is a really shitty thing to go through and I don’t want to be ever in that position, again!
@RandomChristianMusings I was accused of theft over 250k and vandalism damage of 80k. 1 federal felony 1 state jail felony charges. Would of been 16 years down the drain. I lawyered up when they tried to arrest me the first time. Since I was so confused about what was going on. Never been in trouble with the law before. Took about 2 years for my charges to be dropped. Cost me around 40k just to fight it. 29k for lawyer. 11k to bond out. And guess how much money I got back. 0.00
I was accused of theft over 250k and vandalism damage of 80k. 1 federal felony 1 state jail felony charges. Would of been 16 years down the drain. I lawyered up when they tried to arrest me the first time. Since I was so confused about what was going on. Never been in trouble with the law before. Took about 2 years for my charges to be dropped. Cost me around 40k just to fight it. 29k for lawyer. 11k to bond out. And guess how much money I got back. 0.00
Happened to me twice, never been to jail but now I'm on fucking probation and got my ass kicked over nothing. Also happened to my dad once, was facing 70 years but was proven innocent. I'm hoping to somehow sue the police who beat me up and lied about my charges, but the justice system in mexico is trash, everything is so corrupt
It definitely is!!!! because i grew up in a household where I was constantly lied on and accused of shit I didn’t do and was constantly physically and emotionally abused in punishment and discipline,,, to this day I’m 30 and still have nightmares and mental issues due so,,,
Been there and yes it is terrifying especially when your lawyer is on the same side as the prosecutor and telling you to take a plead deal never did that got to trial and they had no evidence
Seeing YouTubers I'm subbed to commenting on videos I like is fun lol
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paul z2021-09-22 18:47:35 (edited 2021-09-22 18:48:20 )
This is why you should no comment no matter what do not give them a single thread to clamp onto and always refuse a voluntary interview they are looking to pin stuff on you.
Its personally relatable when he says the man is very tolerant of this accusative behaviour. this year I got sent to prison for something I didnt do, when I was being interviewed I should have been less reserved and should have voiced my concern but I was tired as fuck after being kept in custody for a long time
I was arrested, interrogated and set for trial for a crime that I didn’t commit. It took over a year for the court to realise. Was the worse year of my life.
I wonder how many have been wrongfully executed. I remember there was a guy who had a mental age of 6 and didn't understand what was happening to him at all, Joe Arridy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy
There was also Cameron Todd Willingham https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham, it's not accepted by the authorities that he was innocent but a film was made about him, demonstrating the flaws in the prosecution's theory.
In 2012 I was being accused and held in custody for 3 days because someone had told the police I planned to shoot up a school....And I'm a grown man that was not even in school back then. I had no relations to that school whatsoever. It was a horrible experience! I don't even know who came up with those allegetions against me, or why...The police said something had been posted on my Facebook page, but neither the police or me could find it. I had most certainly not wrote anything on Facebook, it was just something someone said. Maybe someone had hacked my Facebook, written something and then deleted it, but I really don't know to this day what caused it....When this happened I had just woke up and was about take my dog out for a walk. When I was ready to go outside, a SWAT team stormed my house, threw me to the ground and handcuffed me. I have never been so confused in my life...
Three times in five years between the ages of 17-22. Did jail time two of those times. Growing up on the street you see cops do all sorts of stuff normal people couldn't imagine. Twenty years ago back when we didn't have camera phones. The justice system is for protecting money not people.
I am soooooo bad at fibbing even iff I get done with somet I ain't done I still act like am guilty don't no why..and av Ben dragged in for a robbery and a burglary I was like.look I didn't do them I did the theft but not them he said well you.did a robbery 2 years ago I said yes I plead guilty but only 2 been there I did not commit any robbery
I have been accused of something that was as far-fetched as my mind could comprehend. I have never been in trouble with the law in my LIFE (and am in my 50’s). I got it straightened out very quickly…but the probable is you feel “dirty” afterward like perhaps your family or friends don’t believe you. Just having your name associated with something it’s like you cannot shake the stigma. Nightmare indeed, considering I was fortunate.
As someone who's been locked up for something that I legit didn't do...I can personally testify that in America, it's definitely guilty until proven innocent! It's all up to the judge if they believe you or not. Fortunately enough, in my case. There was no evidence to support the defences theory. And the judge was honest enough with himself that he had to let me go. But a lot of people aren't that lucky.
I've watched this video before but I came back because I think about this case a lot. He's such a sweet man who never lost his cool, even when he knew the interrogator was lying straight to his face. I feel so bad for him and I'm glad he got money but he should have never gone to jail, not for 3 days and especially not when the actual criminal looked the furthest from what he looked like. Just another case that shows how awful and racist the justice system is. I hope he's doing well now
The thing is, it seems to me like it does make sense for detectives to use bluffs like that and really strong, forceful, adamant rejections of professions of innocence to try to get a confession when it’s a situation in which they do actually have an abundance of evidence. But to use that on every single person that you bring in for questioning, which a lot of these guys seem to do, even in situations in which there is absolutely no solid evidence, seems to me to be not just cruel and unnecessary but also potentially counterproductive for themselves at a certain point. I’d think it might make innocent individuals who might otherwise be inclined to be cooperative and offer potentially helpful information decide that, as a concrete, rigid rule, the only thing that ever makes sense to do with police is to refuse to interact in any way.
Dude, I understand a cop's job is hard. You have a lot to deal with. I'm glad they're there when the chips are down.
I am also glad when follow through is had on their mistakes. Like when you don't notate that you're looking for a white, average height guy and wind up with a brown, tall guy. You deserve a demotion, you deserve pay being stripped. I get it, I get it, you're under a lot of strain. But so is the guy you're about to sentence who did nothing wrong, facing a sentence for years, possibly a decade. I can sit alright with a cop being demoted for a while over this mistake than some guy being sentenced to prison for years.
@james alexander you’re right , there isn’t a quota so wrong choice of words but they seem to feel the need to just arrest people and half do their jobs for whatever reason .. there are too many bad cops and these situations don’t need to be overlooked like they’re small incidents . These people should be fired
@Minyon I assume they develop (or maybe already possessed) a sense of dissonance—they tend to deal with scumbags virtually 24/7 and that can get jading, especially when you have to watch them walk away over and over again due to a lack of or contaminated evidence. The moment that occurs though, they need to leave the force because they can no longer hold themselves as the impartial bodies that their work requires them to be.
Corrupt cops. That's the problem. Cops using illegal tactics to get a false confession. And get this: THEY'RE REWARDED FOR SUCH "ACHIEVEMENT." They're encouraged to use illegal tactics. That's the problem.
@Minyon it's big business ... the jail system. They intentionally find ways to lock up innocent people. And cops or the system .... if you're pissed that I know the truth, come find me.
@Zach Helm I know .... but the problem is ... who authorized that in the first place?? Every American should protest that sh!t and make the lawmakers make it right. I mean come on!
And get this: when after all is done, and the locked up man is found innocent after spending mknths, years in jail, nothing happens to anyone responsible for that injustice. If it was up to me, the cops responsible would be hung.
@james alexander no officially, but as detectives they're required to have an output just like any other jobs. Like it was mentioned in the video, getting the a suspect to admit guilt if a crime without evidence is a point to get a promotion.
Not all jobs are supposed to be treated as jobs. That includes cops, military, and doctors.
@Themazeful kind of. Its definitely a feather in their cap to be able to get a confession. However, most police managers I have worked with would not consider a confession completely unsupported by evidence to be useful. The officer had no reason to pursue a confession when the call out description an eye witness accounts would have excluded the suspect immediately. As I said earlier, its just bad policing. There are many "poor" police practices we could discuss, but in this case I believe the problem was with the person and not any sort of policy or practice.
@james alexander you have to account that this behaviour is encouraged because of the bad policies. If policies were better, detectives wouldn't be so inclined to try to cater to the reward system they already implemented to get promotions and recognition.
@Emma i see what you're saying but i don't think that's the case here; There's phony gangsters and phony cops. when you're legit, you're legit #iykyk Real eyes Realize Real lies
@Decency Counts it's sad because this guy's should've never been a cop, like a doctor who just wants Dr pay but don't care about ppl. This guy just wants power&prestige
@Decency Counts systems are in place for a reason, the heart of the matter is a matter of the heart. And problem is the people on both sides that manipulate the system to fulfill the wickedness in their individual heart. Say i'm wrong or prove me right
@Jesus Isn'tReal I'm simply saying ... the police union has advocated for and changed the system so much that detectives are basically untouchable. I don't know about you ... but i don't like taking it in the rear by the system as an American.
@Steve Wynn Exactly. The damn system is so broken, it's beyond ridiculous. Cops or detectives can wreck a man's life ... but after all done & said and the man turns out innocent ... the crap head detective gets a suspension, nothing more. And then they take him out for beer, laugh about how funny it was that he threw an innocent man in jail for X years .....
@james alexander No explicit quota, but certainly if you extract a confession without evidence and are promoted, there is an implicit quota reward system.
@Decency Counts I should note that this list may not be in order since the number of flaws I had to point out is large enough to the point at which I just missed some, then went back over to get them. The space between the notes means I'm talking about a different comment you made.
- the tactics used were not illegal and an American supreme court case said that lying during interview is legal - the "jail" system (correctly known as the prison system) is not run at a profit
- i think finding you would be a waste of time - lawmakers get to make the law because their job is to make the law - most cops or prosecutors actually lose their jobs, check the Andrew Mallard case and how those officers lost their jobs - it's spelt "hanged" if it's related to the suspending of a person via a noose by the neck, hung is for other things - so when a police officer makes a mistake and charges a person, and a prosecutor puts them in court, and a jury finds them guilty, and they're later exonerated (often due to honest mistakes) it's appropriate to kill government members? If that was to be law, the police wouldn't charge people with crimes out of fear of being the victim of a state-sponsored lynching
- police unions don't change the system, they generally just try to find more space in the place they're in so that they can police more effectively - detectives get fired and demoted all the time, the officer in this case was demoted, meaning he was not untouchable - I don't think you "take it in the rear" by the justice system
- cops can wreck a man's life, but only because they enforce the criminal justice system, who are really the ones who are wrecking a life - detectives don't get a massive penalty because they made a mistake at their work. the stakes are higher, but things happen - I have never heard of a case of police culture in which the police find locking a person up for a time as funny, typically it's something that isolates you from everyone else in the police
@Arthena's Magick Oh, a Canadian case, huh ... Then I guess you're trying to infer that the cops here in America don't use such criminal tactics to get false confessions. Keep supporting our broken police system. Maybe you'll be Chief of 'Polease' one day. 😁
Well it could be one of the two: 1- He is lazy and just wants to close the case, even if it meant arresting an innocent person. 2- He is in with the robbery.
@Decency Counts None of what you said matters at all. Just baseless assumptions with no actual counter argument. You just come off as someone who only comments to justify your own beliefs or to get a ego boost, not to change minds or expand your own, but what do I know? Not a lot, but when it comes to me or Bear Marco? Neither do you. So instead of basically just saying “I’m right you’re wrong and nothing you say matters because I’m right.” Instead use a counter argument/insult idk I’m bored 😐
@Gaming Dolphin Good. Be bored. It's not my job to entertain you.
But ... people like you.. when you say you're bored, the truth is that you're hurt by some comments. In this case, my comments sliced into your ego, and you're hating it.
Again, glad you found my comments worthy of responding to. I mean, I think I make a lot of sense. You might not like it ... but your hurt feelings is not my problem.
@Bear Marco 'the tactics used were not illegal' I think, I believe many others think, that starting an interview, and persisting: 'I know you did it, that's not even up for debate' when that's not true.... ....is highly dubious, I don't think the Supreme Court ruled on that specifically and I doubt they'd approve of it.
Then you say Police Unions JUST push for more space to police better. Sorry but that's highly questionable, and of lower quality than most of your other points. Police Unions have supported colleagues and ex colleagues involved in bad practice and resisted effective long term responses. A blood is thicker than water, we should hang together approach has on occasions clouded their judgement. As a Union they are not independent arbiters of their members professional conduct, have not been legislated into such a role, and ought to recuse themselves from such misconduct considerations.
Some countries don’t even have the right to legal representation so you either have to pay for a lawyer yourself (which you may not be able to afford) or (where I live) qualify for legal aid and be given a lawyer. Otherwise you will remain unrepresented.
@Mr. X Because "Everything you say can and WILL be used against you" is an understatement. Off-hand remarks and accidental slips, even if they carry literally zero meaning to you can be stretched and interpreted in any way the prosecution/police wants. Lawyers are trained to avoid making these mistakes and are able to build you a nice and clean script that will ensure you don't give away anything that may be weaponized against you or incriminate you.
@Midnight Video go to jail? Do you not understand that they haven’t been arrested ?
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Thomas Kundera2022-01-19 18:20:19 (edited 2022-01-19 18:21:40 )
Actually, in France, you have right to a lawyer and a doctor, take both. The lawyer won't do much, but that's anyway some relief, and maybe a bit of help. Take the doctor too, even if you have nothing: then, if the police beats you or any other way harms you, they won't be able to pretend it happened before they got you (as you have a medical certificate stating you were ok).
ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE INNOCENT. NEVER TALK. as many good officers there are, many police officers are just there to blame it on the first person they find, close case and move on.
@Midnight Video I rewatched this and you’re right. I was basing my comment on several other interrogations on this channel and assumed the same here. My bad.
@Mike G You really missed the part about him spending 3 1/2 days in jail didn't you? Maybe watch the actual video before commenting. Whether they went in voluntarily is inconsequential, when the cop says "we know you're guilty" (I'm paraphrasing) You immediately say "I want a lawyer", but if you're smart... you do it way before then, and I'm not just talking about this case. You don't leave your fate in the hands of a broken system and some cops you hope are decent human beings. You thought that because somebody goes in voluntarily, they can't or won't be arrested? That's a big ole facepalm.
It's good that you owned up to your error, but.... yikes.
@Mike G Mistake number one. Never go with the police with out a Lawyer. I'm actually pretty pro-cop. But it's common sense, many will lie. They are people too, or they are just so zealous and convinced they got their man. It also doesn't help that promotions can be heavily based on performance reviews that include number of people charged/arrested so it can incentivize bad people.
As soon as you are being questioned it's you versus them. No matter how good you think they may or may not be. It's smarter to have a witness, rather than battle it alone vs an entire police department.
@Dayspring “you thought because somebody goes in voluntarily that can’t or won’t be arrested “ Huh? Not at all. I commented that they should NEVER volunteer to go in..period. Why would you think that I thought that??
@Mike G Even being arrested, you only have to give minimal details.
Even the Military taught us that. "If the media (or cops) ask you anything. You give them name, rank, and direct them to someone paid to speak to them.
You don't get paid to speak. So shut up and let the person who does do it".
Applies to cops too, except date of birth, address are also required. Wait till the attorney shows up to answer anything further.
@HauntingSpectre where did I say you should speak to police? Read my comments. I have comment d multiple times not to ever speak to police. Maybe your comment was meant for someone else?
Lol. "Never speak to the police without a lawyer, even if you're innocent." Well lookie there.. "Don't Talk to the Police" video is suggested on the left.. It's a very eye opening explanation why you don't talk to the cops. Which is very surprising, because I would just want to clear my name.
@My new channel yup. You have to actually state that you are using your right to remain silent and want to speak to a lawyer and then stfu or they can say your silence is an admission of guilt.
@Mr. X If you say "I was with my girlfriend for 2 hours", and you were actually with her for 3, that's something they will use against you, and it will probably be enough to "prove" your guilt.
@Stephen A Dude, if I can say 'I was at office at that time, and 10 people can testify', why would I pay 300 USD for a lawyer that can only tell them the exact same thing?
@Mr. X there was an unwritten assumption you are not the one reporting the crime. But given police only solve 13% of burglaries, talking then won't help much either.
Unless you are rich enough to hire a genuinely competent and motivated private lawyer, the public defender will function as part of the prosecutor's office. A mediocre private attorney will take your house to help you loose.
True. But if say a murder or rape of a loved one is at issue, you risk making them double down on you because you “Lawyered up.” and not going after the real perpetrator(s).
Especially if you are innocent. If you are guilty, there will invariably be more evidence. Which means you are more likely to be convicted with or without blabbing. If you don’t blab, aspects can be less clear, and all that. So don’t talk. But if you did, it would not necessarily change nearly as much as if there was no true proof because you are actually innocent. The point being if you are innocent the probability of good evidence is inherently lower. And if so, your silence protects you even better, because you aren’t helping them to construct any evidence or narratives based upon your testimony.
@Mr. X that's not what they said, but sure, show us how you failed grade 3 reading comprehension.
you should report burglaries and stolen property if you want to, but don't expect cops to do anything for you once they get an arrest. they caught the criminal, that's all they care about
in cases where you are brought in for questioning due to being a witness, or even if a cop stops you on the street, that's when you don't speak unless you have a lawyer. if you're not being detained, in the USA at least, you have a right to silence. in my country, sadly you have to talk, but you can be protected from unrelated criminal charges in your testimonies, with certain exceptions.
any slip of words, any lack of alibi, and/or any conflicting evidence will make you a suspect, no matter how innocent you actually are. because they can and will use any information you say against you, and only against you.
@Mr. X You have to watch this lecture on youtube called "Don't talk to the police" by the Regent University school of law. It's amazing, and you'll never feel the need to talk to the police without a lawyer ever again.
@PoisonTheOgres I've seen the whole video like 4+ times and it is entertaining and informative, still I would talk to police to tell them I have an alibi.
@Mr. X because that term "will be used AGAINST you" means what it says. Anything you say to a police officer / investigator that could be used as your defense, wil ultimately remain discarded until YOUR lawyer obtains that information.
You need to understand something important, when you are arrested, you have just become a player in a very serious game. Only issue is, you have been raised to trust our judicial system, you've been tought by society that cops are the good guys. And they are, but only up until you are pitted against them in this game of absolute ridiculousness.
For Christ sakes, we look up to a grown ass adult who wears a black bath robe to work, where he plays with a tiny wooden mallet?? Plus the worst possible aspect of this game is that if there is no video evidence, no DNA, no figer prints, no actual evidence at all, your oponite, (the prosecution) will revert back to the worst, most unreliable sources possible. And the public will see these lie detector test results, or eye whiteness testimony, jail house snetches, shoe print analysis, clothing analysis, and many many more things we humans have used as long back as when we murdered people for witchcraft, as the most solid and daming evidence ever. Who needs to be positive when ole Beth Barns saw his silhouette jump the fence 4days before the crime ever took place, right? No, i mean we dont need to take a long hard look at how we run our society and judicial system, not at all, the only thing we update is our computers OS to ensure that we can store more ridiculously wacked out bullshit we call fact / reality.
@This Random Dude You should watch the Michael Drejka interview/interrogation. If he would've lawyered up he probably wouldn't have gotten in any trouble. It happened in Florida with very relaxed gun laws. He's serving 20 years for manslaughter because they systematically broke down everything he said to the detectives and used it all against him. In all honesty it wasn't a "justified shooting" in my opinion but with a slick mouthpiece at his side he could've walked.
@Mr. X Bro. They are saying that you can talk to the cops if you are the victim of the case. But if the cops accused you and you know that you are innocent, then don't talk to the cops and never say anything to the police without a lawyer. Proving your innocents should be done in court not in police interrogations because in a police interrogations, what you say will used against you in court.
Ironically this is exactly why i cant take alot of these interrogation psychology videos seriously. Detectives are just as stupid if not stupider than some of the suspects, especially when the person they're questioning is innocent.
the amount of relief I felt when they said the involved officers were demoted and suspended without pay. They make all cops look bad and I feel a little bit of faith in humanity restored.
Hearing the police officer lying to Micheal is the most frustrating thing ever. It brings me such joy that Micheal got paid and the Police Officers involved were demoted, as they absolutely should have been.
It's still tremendously frustrating to me because nothing has remotely changed about the overall system. Those cops are still incentivized to be scumbags, and there is no real justice.
How many people are wrongfully imprisoned? Including people who are "Guilty" but only because laws are bs? How long until we change society to meet the needs of the poor?
Now look up how many people this shit ends up happening to and ask yourself if cops manage to do shit this messed up THIS often, why it's imperative to defund them. Take the confidence away from them and make them work for the people while using the newly found money for social programs for better rehabs, better education systems and mental health resources.
They should have been fired. Workers in so many job fields would be fired on the spot for so much less. They get, relatively, very special treatment. For no reason whatsoever.
Demoted? They should have been investigated, lost their jobs, gone to court, and served years for this type of bullshit. I can guarantee this is not the first time they've engaged in that behavior, and it's not going to be the last.
@Roplex agreed those cops needs to be imprisoned FOR LIFE not only are they're not doing their job(his job is to keep people safe and arrest the real culprit but that is not what's happening here) they wasted valuable time that should be used into catching the culprit THE REAL CULPRIT and now the real culprit is probably still out there roaming freely and gets to do whatever the hell they want AND IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT honestly this world would be better off without people like them
Absolutely ridiculous that they don't face prosecution for their actions, given their power and position. This goes beyond incompetence or laziness, and it wasnt a mistake. It was malicious.
@Dang Grimbus no one will ever serve the needs of the poor. Slavery still exists, you get paid money instead of food. But you still have to do something you don't want to do, for someone else's gain, just so you can feed your family. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE
Most people do not realize that police officers are incentivized financially on the basis of arrests and convictions. Police departments determine promotion potential on the aforementioned principles. Let's not forget that promotions generally equal higher pay, rank, and authority. Meaning these incentives often times result in the corruption of justice. On top of that public defender's receive thier salaries from the State which for all intents and purposes represents a conflict of interest between the defendant and the state.
Eight years later, though! And he got out on bail, but was investigated for MONTHS. I'm surprised any of the people on the bus could recall anything about him by the time they actually got around to interviewing them, but they did and that's when they finally dropped him as a suspect. And during those years at least one of the two officers had been promoted! AND he still maintained (in 2011) that Michael probably was guilty... This is so not satisfying and it's like the best case scenario. (For some worst case ones, see Serial season 3. It's so, so good.)
@lunachick613 88 Considering how absurdly different the description is from their "suspect" it makes you wonder which is worse: that they were racially profiling him, or that they were so lazy that they decided to frame the first person they saw.
Honestly, detectives like this should be held accountable by taking back the money they got for that case. Or charging a % of fine off their pay. A very satisfactory ending indeed.
Edit: because this is not a misunderstanding or a mistake of missing evidence, this is literally negligence of evidence.
This happened to me when my friend's neighbor's house was burged. Detective had me in interrogation for apx. 4 hours, telling me the evidence was"overwhelming" and almost there same bs, how it "wasn't about my guilt or innocence, but why I did it?".. LOL. I asked," am I being charged?, am I under arrest?, So then I'm free to go?".. When the Detective said I was free to go, I left. They wanted me to go a polygraph, I told them gfy's after the bs harassment they spent all day spewing lies, trying to get me to admit to something I was innocent of. And intensely. They seriously tried getting me to take the fall for some idiot neighbor's nephew, who was found pawning some jewelry a few weeks later. From that day, I'll never talk to a moron detective without an attorney, regardless what for. Law enforcement couldn't care less for the general well-being of non-relative citizens/members of the community. Meaning, they will collude in abusing you, traumatizing you, disregarding your God given constitutional rights, and trying to secure false confessions. If you trust them, it means you're related to one and You're most likely a hypocrite and think you're better than everyone. Gross
Wow! So YouTube can allow for highly inappropriate and controversial videos to be uploaded and seen by any age group but something that is educational and elicits conversation gets deleted. I’m so confused, I feel like YouTube is ‘parenting’ it’s user. Let me decide if I want to watch these videos
God, imagine being this guy, turned his life around, working hard and a single person nearly ruined his entire life. 2 years lost for simply existing, unreal
@Leah Hall at the beginning of Justin’s segment he literally says “ he is unaware that he is about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years”. So yes he lost two years of his life over nothing. Not counting the crime he committed and was rightfully imprisoned for in his early twenties.
@Nobody's Business I wonder how much money he got as compensation. The other guy got 46 000$ only for three days. If you get 46k$ for 3 days for wrong accusation then for 2 years you should get 11 193 333 $.
@ZebraJess92 Yes, but the case with Steven Avery in the documentary series "Making A Murderer"? He spent 18 YEARS in prison and proved innocent with help of DNA test. He was supposed to get 36 million $ compensation for those 18 years. And what they did?...watch the series I don't want to ruin it, it is a must see.
Kevin Smith2021-05-30 11:39:36 (edited 2021-05-30 11:41:53 )
@ZebraJess92 just like with “friendly fire” Their allies were more afraid of accidentally getting shot by the Americans than the Taliban and some refused to train with them without learning and implementing the same safety measures of the ally.
@Leah Hall Nope. He served time for a crime before but then he left it behind and became a hard working guy. After all that he was wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years for a crime he didn't commit.
@Leah Hall not what was said. The vid said he was incarceratedwronfully for 2 yesrs for THIS, presumably awaiting trial, before itwasdetermined he'd bern deliberately falsely accused. Maybe it's you who misunderstand. And the45 others who approved the confusion enough to hit like for your erroneous claim.
So what are you gonna do about it? I'm not trying to take a shot at you btw I'm seriously asking. You obviously recognize that this is a problem, so I'm asking.. are you gonna try to stop it from happening again?
I would like to see proof that this type of interrogation actually working because it's pretty aggravating watching law abiding citizens have to work through the verbal wizardry that is employed. How many innocent people are behind bars just because a cop or a lawyer is incentivized to do this crap.
I almost cried when the white guy with the beard was talking about how he was working on improving and changing past behaviors, then freaking out when he realized he couldn’t do anything to convince them that they got the wrong guy. It’s like he was taking huge steps forward, only to be dragged back down.
I have a cousin who has been in and out of jail, has recently nearly died for overdosing, I have no idea where his life will go after he recovers, but I do hope nothing like this happens to him, not when he has at least taken the steps to become a better person.
It's messed up how police treat former felons. My bro in law has been to prison but has change completely. He has a great job, house, and takes care of his family. Whenever he sees certain police that have arrested him over several years ago they automatically stop him to try to catch him in something. It's crazy!!
The prison industry preys on people and are funneled in by law enforcement. 2 years of his life in prison on someone's word, and his situation was relatively lucky.
Danny Dolan2021-06-01 03:01:28 (edited 2021-06-01 03:03:37 )
@Blitz_1337 The effort is never wasted, even if he is wrongfully treated, he is a better man and that's something that no one can take from him. It's always worth it to work on yourself
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Edgar Zaragoza2021-06-01 03:24:34 (edited 2021-06-01 03:25:21 )
“I used to be a piece of shit” we know we fucking know I used to be too
@Subrina Fisher Especially in the USA. There is no "paying your debt". It is held over you forever. We see ourselves as advanced and progressive...but it is more like Puritan. Many innocent or nearly innocent person can get stitched up here easy. One goes through a process, and being it is a process, most simply assume it is justified. Often it is not.
The judicial system in America doesn't believe in rehabilitation, only punishment. As a result, ex-cons are treated as criminals even after having served their sentence with a public mugshot database etc. making it very easy for anybody to punish you over and over for the mistake. Then because you can't get a job and have a hard time surviving you are slowly but surely dragged back into the life that you're trying to get away from.
@zenithskull I don't know for sure, but the video makes it sound as if he was wrongly imprisoned for 2 years and THEN was found to be innocent after appeals.
@Abradolf Lincler i thought he probably was imprisoned awaiting trial during which the false accusation and his innocence were exposed snd he was freed.
The saddest reality is that there's so many people who aren't as smart and well spoken as him who will crack and fall under pressure in this situation. Fire this detective immediately
Agreed, but i see them developing a new way to tell if someone are lying or not. probs gonna use some New methods in the future
Imagine a machine that could scan your brain, with inplants or Something. they could see which parts of the brain are active once they ask the suspect questions or smt
Like me , my first job was in bus company and i was accused of stealing the money of the passengers. And the HR called me and told me i was seen by the supervisor doing such thing, i said i didn't do that and she said " c'mon man you has been seen by him , now assign here please " . And i kept saying " i didn't do that " And she said again " just sign please "
And i thought " maybe if I don't assign they will fire me cuz I'm not obedient, i think it's better i respect them and keep my job , i don't care if they think i stole something cuz i know I'm innocent " Then i assigned the sheet and I left the HR room and one man came to ask me and i said " oh , nothing! They are telling me that i was seen stealing the company but that's no true " And he asked me " did u assign anything?" I said " oh yeah but that's okay cuz i don't wanna they think I'm not obedient " This man got crazy and he asked me " did you steal or not ? I said " i didn't do anything wrong " And he still upset said " wtf did u assign the paper ? Are you stupid? Now you are confirming you stole the company " In that moment my eyes opened and i thought " oh shit that's true " I went to talk to my supervisor and i said " hey man listen, i assigned the paper but i did anything wrong. He said " if u assigned you confess " I became so sad 😞😥 and tried to talk to everyone that i could and i was fired without anything. I was only 18 in that time .
Hey, parents out there, you need to start teaching your kids from the time they are 15 years old -- do NOT talk to the police. Triple true if you are a black boy or black man, but even if you are white. If the cops call you in you IMMEDIATELY ask for a lawyer and say you will not speak without one. Period. You have no obligation to "help the cops out" and there are zillions of videos out there of cops using an innocent man's desire to help to falsely pin a crime on him. DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE.
@Koolaid Man this is sadly truth, and i respect the law still even as a max ex con. Probably because I was fucking innocent for my crime but I served my time. Not even making this shit up.
Annnnd there's literally nothing I can do and its on my record for life now. Ill also add ive had no interations with police in 13 years because Im not a criminal.
Arrest the detective for gross negligence, abuse of power, and deprivation of liberty. Minimum sentence to be what the maximum sentence for suspect would have been. Don't need a trial as his 'innocence is not up for discussion' lol
@chosenOne deprivation of liberty? How? He wasn’t detained against his will and volunteered to be interrogated when he was told he was free to leave at any time.
Funny thing is he was actually promoted sergent. The whole case had to go to court and the detective was adamant until the end that he had the right person. In the end Michael got a pay out of 45+ thousand dollars for the 3 days he spent in jail and the 9 months spent on curfew. That detective guy is a real C U Next Tuesday.
@Puddin Ok but this is my point. This is not an example of the justice system failing. This is an example of the justice system correcting an error and compensating someone who was incorrectly mistreated.
Only week minded people Crack under pressure. How are you gonna let someone say you did something when you didnt...didn't.... especially if it involves going to jail. Couldn't be me
@Joel Haye Not even a 'weak minded' person would admit to doing something that they did not do, no matter how much you claim you have them on video doing it, when they KNOW they did not do it.
This tactic only gets guilty people to confess because they think they were caught when in reality they were not.
Happened to me when I was 18. I ended up spending almost 3 months in jail for a crime that not only did I not commit, the crime NEVER HAPPENED. My adopted father had just died, so I moved in with my prodigal (biological) dad. I quickly busted my stepmom cheating on him while he was at work. She kicked me out of the house and called the cops. Said I threatened to blow up the school (I'd been attending for what, maybe a month?!). This was RIGHT after Columbine, though, so the cops all had hard-ons to be heros.
I agreee. I’ve had to go to court as a key witness to something. Just as a witness, being deeply interrogated by both sides was nerve wracking, starting with sworn statements and going to courts that kept going for a couple years. Even though I knew I was innocent, and I was telling the truth for someone else, that shit was not fun.
Makes me never want to deal with legal stuff again, I’ll just be like nope I saw nothing. I can’t imagine being the one accused. That guy who already went to prison before faced some scary stuff.
@Koolaid Man the problem with that is of this man didn’t talk and give his story how was the good cop ever gonna be able to verify it? I think it’s ok if you are innocent to tell your story and stick to it. Once you tell your story ask for attorney.
@Loving life NO!! do not do that! You call your attorney FIRST and you tell your attorney your story and how you are innocent under privilege, and then you go into the office with the cop and the lawyer answers all the questions for you. DO NOT TALK TO THE COPS YOURSELF -- it is your lawyer's job to answer for you.
@Koolaid Man that is stupid. Most people can’t afford a private attorney and a court appointed lawyer damn sure isn’t taking your call. He would have sit in there for weeks had he not told his story. If you are innocent there is nothing wrong with sharing your story. So it can be checked and you be set free
There was actually a case like this where a guy was threatened by police into a false confession of murder, and did something like 10 years before new evidence came to light that it might actually have been someone else, but every time a new set of investigators asked him to tell the truth he wouldn't because he didn't understand the system and was scared of the possibility of the death penalty.
not just that, the system leaves loop holes they can use to their advantage and noticeably use it against minorities. not all investigators are like this but that doesn’t change the fact that they have advantages so even if they were or weren’t like that they could be and get away with it
honestly if i was him i would of been crying and screaming because i’m scared of polices and i would feel uncomfortable being in a room like that with a detective that would keep guilt tripping me into “telling the truth”.
@Mike G he didn’t volunteer though. He was falsely accused and arrested out of nowhere and forced into the interrogation room for questioning about a crime he never committed, and they kept him locked up at the station even though they had no evidence against him. Not only that, Dixon looks nothing like the described perpetrator. The police are absolutely at fault here
@DirtyDog3068 You're saying I'm like Larry from the crypto commercial? "The moon...It's too high!" 😆
No, flight is something that undeniably works, and the evidence is undeniable. However, I could convince you that flight is broken. All I need to do is identify a single negative impact that flight has on the world, and insist (or better yet, prove) that a better system of flight can be instituted---one that will avoid perceived pitfalls. Just like that, flight no longer "works" as is.
Whether or not anything works is determined by the criteria and expectations developed by a customer. A toaster that burns bread doesn't work for that customer. A leaky hose doesn't work for that customer. A weak vacuum cleaner doesn't work. Who are the customers of law enforcement, if not the communities served? They surely have a basic expectation that law enforcement officers meant to quell crime will not cause harm to law-abiding members of the community, yet, in the name of quelling crime, they often do just this. In the name of toasting bread, they burn it. It simply doesn't work. Any method or tool of policing that is found to adversely affect members of the community, is a defect. The evidence of this lies in consideration of better systems/tactics/tools that achieve the same outcome while avoiding the pitfalls. Failure to develop and use these tools (and thus, the continuation of dependence upon defective tools) is not a mark against law enforcement professions, rather, it is a mark against humanity, in my eyes. A red mark, and I am living in a world stained red! Everywhere I look, all I see are broken, defective systems and tools, and I wonder why they are broken. Why are they considered even remotely acceptable, especially in situations where the development of better tools does not require any great expenditure of funds, rather, a simple alteration of procedure? The stupidity we all live with, founded on a basis of frail proofs undermined by countless failures, supported by conservatives who see no evil and progressives who see no alternative, is, for me, a sea of fire, searing my mind, choking my will to exist, and making me unsympathetic toward the suffering of those around me. "Of course they are suffering!", I think. "The world is a mess, and they are all complicit in its continued state of disorder!" For it is not enough to despise what harms you. To be free of harm, you must despise harm itself. To be rid of it, we do not even need to actively seek to eradicate it. We simply need to refuse to accept it---not for the sake of convenience or cost! Not for the sake of safety or security! Not for the sake of any short-sighted victory. It requires no greater effort than saying "No." And I am not an asshat idealist who cannot accept or appreciate the achievements of a system that works most of the time to do incredible things. The world is full of incredible works! However, if it is indeed, harmful, do not celebrate it as an ideal thing. Celebrate it as what we have, while recognizing the need for improvement. In this way, the tools we use because they work "better" than the alternatives, can be readily recognized as broken, and subsequently replaced, when a *better* alternative is found.
@Brandon Merritt so your saying that developing a new method to tell if people are lying or not, is impossible? i can take a example, u know how cops find out if people are lying? they ask them loads of questions, and ask a few one or twize without the suspect realizing. then a different answer might come up
@MrLoomian Impossible? Nothing is. I imply that I have an understanding of such things, and with this understanding, I can easily identify devices that simply cannot do what they purport.
I can promise you that the sort of understanding required to craft such a device will not be mainstream (it could already exist for all I know) for a very long time, if ever, not because it is impossible to develop, but because it would directly interfere with many of the established systems that attempt to detail the nature of the mind. Simply said, many people do not know what they are, they refuse to ask, and the efforts put toward finding a proper answer are either inadequate or misguided. They will continually find answers that are obviously inadequate, accepting them and the mechanisms designed around them, whilst turning a blind eye to the failures of those mechanisms that shall act as evidence of a mistaken understanding. The tools will not work, because the notions they are built upon are wrong, stupid, garbage, basically all the bad stuff.
Of course, I also recognize that one does not need a complex understanding to develop a tool that "works" for a task. Such a tool could be developed through trial and error, however, the effort required for the sake of such a brute-force tactic makes it exceedingly likely that a broken tool will be developed instead, with its shortcomings offset via bloated efforts to market the tool to customers. In many cases, this is innocent enough, but in the case of a tool that can ruin someone's life by failing, it is, imo, criminal.
Oh, but it's okay. This tool will only ruin someone's life 5% of the time. It still works.
@ACORDA MÉDICO Thankyou for telling your story, now I have to be more aware on my surroundings. I can literally see myself being in your situation and would probably do the same thing because that's prolly the only best decision I could think when nervous.
He and two colleagues were fired but yes you’re right Michael was amazing and the fact that the witness described the suspect as White and Michael Black seems pretty racist to me to be honest.
When stupid people can reach this level of the judicial system.........just shows how much work needs to be done Why we don't have a mandatory IQ check and an ethics test is beyond me
My BEST professor did her doctoral dissertation on dishonesty detection. Her research 100% proved that there is so much individual variance that it’s impossible to detect lying because there are no set standards that can be applied to everyone.
Although polygraph tests are used they were long ago refuted by courts because biometrics cannot determine what’s happening in someone’s mind. Just being nervous, angry, sad, etc. can make one fail a polygraph!
@Brandon Massey hells yes brother- I learned how to pass them when I was a mere 15 year old shithead!! I began by placing a thumbtack in my shoe under my big toe & pressing down during each answer, but then I learned it was far easier than that!.. I simply didn’t give a shit about the test. Passed 100%!
Two different innocent guys, in similar situations. But the difference is huge: Justin is fed up of the system and totally lost trust in it since he had a recent bitter experience of having served a term in prison and now trying to gather his wits in order to start life afresh, with righteousness. So he's pissed off this time and expresses his frustration, anger and disregard towards the vile workings of the system, all at the same time. Michael respects the system and has a regard for it as an honorable citizen. On top of it, he is highly intelligent yet somewhat of an introvert. This is a bad surprise for him but his faith in his own innocence and the system is strong and so he sits there calm, collected and keeps a humble, respectful poise. People like Michael are rare actually. Happy for him that he got his due and so did his interrogator and investigators. But it's a sad story for Justin, who apparently wasn't compensated at the end of it all. Never talk to cops without a lawyer on your side.
I think that I commented on this video sometime in the past, but I really want to reiterate how absolutely pissed I am at that first investigator, how decency wasn't afforded to the suspect, and how long he was kept from his responsibilities and life for literally no reason.
The alibi wasn't checked until they got someone completely different in? They mistaked a short white guy for a quite tall colored guy?
Yeah, his behavior there is completely abnormal. I'm quite an introvert myself, I really thrive in being alone and what not, but holy hell would I have UNLOADED on that invesitagor the moment he says "we have you on CCTV" because at that point, being completely innocent you know there's not a snowball's chance in hell that it's actually you in that video. I would've completely lost my cool, the second person who was wrongfully convicted for TWO YEARS would've looked like a mildly louder tone compared to how absolutely livid I'd be.
You're playing with my life, my freedom, and my future based on nothing? They didn't even bother to actually try and check? Wow.
@Stephen lawyers are different. Some are definitely sociopaths, others sometimes have to defend the guilty, or make cases against the innocent. That is their job and even the criminal has the right to an attorney under law.
@J H As is true for anyone in a position of Authority. Police have unlimited power (they can take your life and are protected). Unlimited power demands INFINITE TRANSPARENCY and ACCOUNTABILITY.
The worst part is he was only demoted. That means there's a cop somewhere out there looking to take REVENGE on 6'2" black guys just because he made a mistake (that almost cost someone else's life.)
He should be sweeping floors for the rest of his days. The detective clearly can't handle responsibility.
I would call them pigs, but that would be an insult to real pigs.
The first detective was much, much worse: The second one was a bit more objective, but overall, police detectives are really, really shitty interrogators.
I doubt they see it that way. I think a lot of police are taught that there are criminals everywhere and that they are the only ones who can protect society and that people are constantly trying to kill them. This is all untrue, but it makes them more aggressive and less empathetic.
@Vegimak of course they should. im just pointing out the slew of comments in this thread saying cops are out solely for their own gain and one commenter who went as far as to say “burn them”.
Congrats, welcome to the world of commercialized justice. Police departments are paid for quick and efficient convictions, while defense attorneys are paid for quick and efficient trials. Both cops and lawyers are as invested in your guilt or innocence as a fast food chef is invested in how much you enjoy your fries.
How often are your fries soggy and undercooked, because it was simpler to pull them up 30 seconds early to save time? How often are they cold because they didn't bother to make fresh?
That's a two dollar side dish. Most detectives and defense attorneys are more invested in their fries than your future.
@KGYeatman But it is the lawyers, courts and legislatures that allow police to interview in this manner. This is part of the reason for the current breakdown of trust in government and police. Police should: 1. in an interview only be allowed to tell the truth. 2. Not be allowed to steal from citizens (civil asset forfeiture without criminal conviction) 3. Have greater public oversight in excessive force investigations (outside independent review) 4. Be personally liable for gross trampling of citizen rights (Adjustments to qualified immunity)
Perhaps with changes like these people would once again believe that the police are public servants and on their side. I am a law abiding citizen and I have a deep distrust of the police - I dearly wish that my feelings were not justified.
Precisely. The first detective is garbage at his job. It’s quite obvious that he is either a rookie, or just plain dumb. EVERYONE should know the “we have enough evidence on you” trick. It was so infuriating to watch him do such an awful job
While we should talk about the individual level to understand the situation this is a systemic issue that needs to be fixed at that level. More transparency, more separation between judiciary and executive, more accountability for false convictions.
I am mad at detectives like this too but it´s not helpful fort actually fixing anything as long as the system not only allows this behavior but actually rewards it in some ways.
there should be more incentive to get it right. maybe money or penalize detectives for wrongfully accusing people. ik it’s harsh but what’s worse is innocent people going to jail
In the case of the first guy, blatantly lying to him and saying that they possess evidence that doesn't exist, the interrogator should be subject to criminal charges for causing severe distress to a person who is innocent. I don't see any reason why that should be legal.
@Frank 16:53 "he was kept in jail for 3 and a half days." I won't deny that those 3 and a half days were one of the worst days of his life, but he was compensated quite well. Though I do think they should've given him more.
I mean the sick thing is even when they get evidence that exonerates a person, typically the prosecutor fights the release, no matter what. There was a man who was convicted of rape and they finally did the rape kit 15 years later and there was three different kinds of semen and none of them was his. Then another person admitted to the crime, and the prosecutor still thought the release.
People will always value themselves over others / the collective. They’ll make compromises to further themselves, but they’ll ultimately be self-serving
This is beyond heartbreaking. The worst part that there’re so many people who never get exonerated or spend their life in prison…. It’s hard to comprehend
Saw this on Bruce Rivers CLR and found out about this channel, and I love it! I don't love that the investigator didn't investigate a damn thing, bother to get an accurate description of the suspect, and think he should lose his job.
Innocent victim: goes to prison for 2 years Police officers: get demoted & suspended. Yes, surely demoted to jobless or prisoners and surely suspended for 2 years. What if this is just one of the few people that were later exonerated? Given the incompetence presented, I would hardly be surprised if it has happened before or even worse, continues to happen
My heart goes out for Justin. That’s a man that’s making a genuine change for the better and is watching his life be stripped away from him unjustly. It’s hard to watch
@I OFFER YOU THIS wtf are you talking about? there is literally no evidence to suggest this is the case whatsoever, beyond your own stereotypes...just as bad as the cops in this vid man
@I OFFER YOU THIS Where's this coming from? The guy was in the penal system, is working to correct his life and make good with his future. What in ANY of that leads you to believe he's a thinblue type? You sound like you're jumping to conclusions based on biases.
@I OFFER YOU THIS How do you think a man who's been run through the wringer like that could maintain respect for law enforcement? Because he has a beard?
I feel bad for all these dudes, but Justin hopefully learned to think about the company he keeps. Trying to turn your life around while keeping shady friends is not going to improve your lifestyle. It’s a hard lesson to learn, and he got the worst wake up call to it.
@24fretsoffury WTF are you even talking about? Victim blaming, really? Those people were not his friends, just a guy he knew from living in the same town and growing up together.
same. it's literally painful to watch him get walked all over and wrongfully accused. hes just a guy trying to turn his life around and they're fucking up his life. it's making me angry sweat
@24fretsoffury nowhere does it even state he keeps bad company. He said he grew up with him, implying school/familial link, not personal or friend. In fact, it seems like he doesn't even like the guy, so quit making assumptions, like the detective did.
Yeah dude i cringed phisically on that section of the video, its so hard to watch specially as we know now he was infact innocent. Its stuff like this that just makes a person worst instead of promoting change for the better.
@Jordan Ellington idk why people keep replying to a guy with the username I OFFER YOU THIS, like it’s pretty clear they’re a troll, guys, and probably a righty since they’re more common and often impersonate leftists to make them fight each other, and the troll even used racial stereotyping
@Kristen Price it was later found out that he slept with candy and thats wjy her boyfriend hit her. They then blamed it on Justin. So yeah they werr more than just neighbourhood acquaintance. Also he stole her sons playstation.
@Jordan Ellington What about saying far right and far left? Many thing in life fall on a spectrum and being at extreme ends on a lot of things is unhealthy or good, so why only focus on one end? Perhaps you have no interest in being considered a fair or even rational person, but if you do value those traits whatsoever you may want to think about the hypocrisy inherent in only thinking one side is part of a problem. The far right, as bad as they may be, has much less of an interest in ruining this country than the far leftists who openly chant death to America. Perhaps you are just trying to stir the pot, which is something someone ruining this country might be more inclined to do, just proving you are already no better than that which you hate.
her boyfriend beat her up so to cover it up she accused Justin of breaking in and robbing and assaulting her. The boyfriend wasn't supposed to be around her already and she didn't want him to get in trouble again so she had to blame Justin of doing it.
That Hamilton cop with an British accent could possibly be the worst cop ever! What a joke, lying is one thing but he is terrible at it and then just expects the innocent man to cave in and admit guilt..........
What a gentleman! Well spoken and rational. This makes me irate! LOVE that they got demoted! I don't think someone wearing shorts and a white t-shirt would be breaking into a jewelry store????
I know what you mean. A good example of something like this is if my husband died somehow and they thought it was murder and automatically were 100% positive it was me just because of my behavior. What I mean is, we hate each other and that's no secret to friends and family. But the thing is is when they show up to tell me he is dead I'm not going to be all sad and crying because again we hate each other. I don't wish him dead but if he had a heart attack or something I just might act a little happy to be finally rid of him. I know this sounds like I am a horrible person but I assure you my husband wouldn't care about me not being sad. If I dropped dead instead he would be super happy himself. Like we know neither of us would miss the other. And please get the right picture of our relationship. Although we loath each other it's not like we have this fighting and violent thing going. We really barely ever speak and yeah if we do talk we might insult or call the other one a bad name or something.
But, the point was that I could easily be falsely accused of murder if something ever happened to my husband just because I wouldn't have typical behavior of a wife losing her husband. When in fact I would never, ever murder him or anyone else because I have a fear of being in prison. I would never make it in a prison because I'm a wicked scaredy cat and in no way violent. I don't throw things or even slam a door when I'm super angry. It's just not how I process anger. I will say some really horrible stinging words that will get you irate. I know how to push buttons and get someone super mad and I think it's funny when I have that kind of power to get such a reaction just from my words. I'm really not this horrible person though I assure you. Honest.
@Katie Kat At this point it's better to have a divorce, because this sounds (mentally) unhealthy to live with a person (in your own words) hate. My father did the same with my mother "only for the kids" they stayed together but this is just toxic and it's better to go separate ways.
@Katie Kat You are fine, but you are obviously looking for approval and acceptance because everyone saw you weird and "cold" whole your life. But you have your husband who is probably the same and you understand each other. Trust me, that understanding is stronger than any other hollywood love story bullshit. Not crying and reacting does not equal to not feeling, its just different way of processing emotions. Its easy to love the partner, what is hard is to hate them, but its also needed, and thats what most people forget about often. Love is not really just about loving.
@Katie Kat If its any consolation, I suffered verbal abuse and emotional neglect from my financially unstable alcoholic mother in a plethora of domestic arguments in my childhood.
@Katie Kat you didn’t need to explain yourself “not being” so much. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully we can keep people from getting f married moving forward (the concept doesn’t make sense to me, I never grew up in church)
Well yeah, you’re guilty until proven innocent don’t let a cop try to convince you otherwise. Always contact a lawyer no matter what before talking to police.
To put it in a nutshell "he looks guilty, because i want to believe he is guilty."
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Robert Nicholls2021-12-26 19:07:42 (edited 2021-12-26 19:09:21 )
@Lazar Good analysis, made me want to rethink my analysis (post) about her. Human beings are so complex man.
I like her honesty, not running away from how she actually feels, which is what most people do. They are honest about their hate for each other, which, to your point, is probably more healthy, now that I think about it.
Either way, she's going to jail if a lazy cop finds her husband dead. : )
@Robert Nicholls Yeap, there is barely any constants in human behaviour, it's all super subjective. What she described does not sound like a hate to me at all, she is certainly expressing it that way, but it doesn't mean that. My guess is that they "hated" each other from the start, teased each other, spilled "bad" words and what not and that was their connection, their flirting. But that "joke" became a real thing, the thing they both believe in and thats totally fine, its just that she sounds a little insecure about it because examples of such a relationships are not very much heard of, so she is constantly reminded by the world that she is not "normal". There are some sociopathic tendencies in her words, but that's also ok, sociopaths are not that rare at all, its just another way of handling situations/emotions, but if she was a true sociopath, i very much doubt she would stay in something that is not benefiting her. No one is in relationship just to give, they also want something to receive, especially sociopaths.
Calm? Must be guilty. Getting angry? Must be guilty. Acting confused? Must be guilty. It's sad but that's what happens when you have either inexperienced or just straight up stupid detectives/interrogaters, usually is due to lack of interrogation training, and lack of training is due to departments being defunded because "blue man bad". More money = more training = less of this
@Katie Kat I mean in some sense wouldn't that be proof of innocence? You wouldn't act happy if you murdered him upon being told he was dead, you would already know he was dead, so why would the news make you happy? There'd be a clear difference between telling someone who murdered someone the murdered person is dead and telling someone who'd be happy to hear the news that a certain person is dead that that person is dead. I'd expect someone who's guilty of murder to break into tears, or get shakey, hiding nerves as sorrow. I'd expect a black widow to act more like a grieving widow then a happy widow.
@Lazar a lot of couples hate each other and stay together for financial reasosn, not because they understand each other. I dont know her specific reasons, but wanting to stay with him is the last thing I would think of. She even said she would be a little happy if he died because she doesnt want to be with him. It happens, its not necessarily that the other persons evil, they simply cant stand each other, and she would just love not living with him anymore.
@elmer garcia You're a lucky bastard. i've never been married but, 19 here, since I was 8 I've had extreme self esteem issues, etc. i hope you cherish it a little bit
So Glad to hear that this guy got compensation this whole thing was a joke literally distrustful police as usual telling huge lies to try to trap the innocent person into looking guilty and eventually pleading guilty as the odds are stacked against you in s court of law. It's a fact that juries tend to throw the guilty verdict it's a trait of human nature. The officers involved should of been sacked not demoted.
The woman that lied about that dude and falsely claimed he broke in and assaulted her should be charged and sentenced to the crimes she claimed he committed.
I agree. There should at least be serious punishment to purposely falsey accusing somebody. The accuser serving the same sentence as the accusee would have served seems fitting to me.
@Quare Percutis Proximum well slander is different than a false accusation that resulted in legal trouble. This could have ruined his life if it would have stuck Im hoping he got a good lawsuit off this. I hate to see somebody thats just trying to straighten out their life get thrown back into the system over nothing.
You can’t just charge and sentence for crimes not committed. Maybe false police reports and slander or something like that? But you can’t charge her for breaking in and assault if she didn’t do those crimes.
The problem is that memory is not perfect, there is a good chance the person who actually did the crime was in the line up, (or maybe even wasn't) but trying to remember a face (remembering faces is actually hard) especially when your interaction was one where you feared your life, is actually harder than you'd imagine... I'm sure she made an honest mistake... But still tragic that this can happen
@NaySay Network While it's true that women get lighter sentences and that such injustice should be reformed, saying women don't get punished at all is just incorrect.
@Anonymous AJ but it is correct if it might cause real victims to go silent later. Like in the rape cases and maybe just maybe it might be the case for assault charge too now put that on top of the fact women's geting generaly lesser sentences you got yourself another reason to be angry with the system.
@Anonymous AJ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) should check sexual assault part. Creame of the cake if accuser is under 18 she doesn't have to agree to give dna evidence and women's claims are accepted as evidence on its own since courts believe no woman would lie in such case. So by law he is guilty until proven innocent in this case. I am all in with punishing rapist but this system is just not right.
All she has to pay is what she has taken from school or something and since she already spend it all, she gets away with ruining that young man's life because law is just wrong.
@Ender İskender Sorry, I should have asked for proof of this happening systemically. I'm not disputing that it does happen. I'm challenging that it occurs often enough for the sweeping phrase "Women dont get punishments in the Americas(North America, US & Canada)" to not be a contrived and reactionary statement. Yes, it happens - but how often?
@Anonymous AJ i don't know how often but once should be Enough to take action how many innocent human being have to suffer to take action. Also i am pretty certain statistics shows its very often but I don't want to go ahead and prove that argument for the sake of a country i don't care much about however it makes me sad when there is injustice and innocent human beings gets harmed without reprocassions but ultimately it falls on their fellow citizens to be aware and take action against it.
@Anonymous AJ well in democracys you can complain to your representatives for example, in dictatorships it's harder you first have to be in place of power to nicely ask your respective dictator. in coministish country well i don't know you shut up and hope they don't find a way to learn you have unauthorized ideas i gues. If law has an obvious flaw it needs to be fixed and this laws has it.
@C L if you can’t charge and sentence people on crimes not committed why are their people incarcerated today that have not committed crimes they’re accused of. Are you saying those people should just do their time and their accusers should just be able to walk away without any repercussions?
@Manu Sharma Is English not your first language? Why’s you feel the need to send me this? Nowhere in that comment, did I suggest that that’s what happens. I said what should happen, exactly like the initial post.
@Rick Terrance trump was not impeached for that, please don't tell lies
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Manu Sharma2021-02-26 07:09:19 (edited 2021-02-26 07:11:48 )
@Mazda 787B I'm British, so decide for yourself if English is my first language. That bloke you replied to was talking about what actually happens and hence, was implying what O/P said isn't possible in the real world. His argument is logical while you and the O/P are playing on plain emotions. I think a little work on your comprehension skills will do you well
Woman here: I totally agree!!! Women need to be held accountable for false information. It could LITERALLY be the difference between a free man/woman or guilty one.
@Rusty Umm yes he was dude where have you been? He spent 2 years in court fighting the "russian collusion" conspiracy bullshit they didnt convict him because he didn't do anything it was all to cause the uninformed population to cast doubt on him it was essentially state sponsered defamation. Same thing with his most recent "impeachment " trial which also failed to actually convict him. It was just to make him look like shit. Unless he paid the protesters to kick in the door at the capital he's not responsible for the actions of a small handful of protesters who decided to break the law just because he used the phrase "We must fight for justice" (the word fight in English doesn't always correlate to literal violence....he used it figuratively) furthermore he gave the speech to address the protesters after they showed up to support him and protest and his speech occured AFTER that small group of protesters forced entry. The democrats simply publicly smeared him with lies in order to ensure he wouldn't run again.
@Statistically Speaking Doesn't matter if remembering faces is hard, don't profess someone to have done it if you can't remember. Just simply say "I can't remember". Be honest, stop trying to make up stuff and call it a mistake. There's a difference between an intentional mistake and an unintentional mistake. Someone that intentionally accuses someone when they can't remember or are doing it on purpose... that's an intentional false accusation. To make it not an intentional false accusation, simply say "I'm not sure" or "I couldn't say because I don't remember". Not lie and say "whoops my mistake" when someone else's life is on the line and could potentially ruin their life FOREVER.
@Quare Percutis Proximum You are correct, libel is written and untrue, slander is spoken and untrue. In the USA in most and maybe all states, for someone to get into trouble for slander or libel they have to cause some type of harm or damages to the person that they were saying or writing untrue things about. For example if what you wrote or said was untrue and it caused them to lose their job which means no income and possibly ending up homeless and starving.
totally agree. someone r4ping or assaulting someone will/can ruin their life, but falsely accusing someone of that can also ruin an innnocent persons life.
The problem is, that could be very easy to get wrong. Say you're a woman in a relationship with a community leader/business owner who abuses you and you report him and no one believes you...you could be charged and sentence to jail for HIS crime...real victims would become even more afraid to come forward wit the truth for fear they could be charged if the trial goes wrong or people don't believe them.
@Andrea B Honey, that's not how it works. At worst you get sued for liable. That doesn't often come with a jail sentence. Hell, a lot of women are barely even "Real Victims" to begin with. My buddy got charged with sexual assault, and the women came onto him. I was there. Probably only like 3/5 of women reporting are actually "victims." Everybody is a goddamn victim nowadays.
@Matthew McCone I didn't say they make a false claim just to have made a false claim, when you are in a fight of flight mood your body is not going to waste extra energy creating photographic memory of the situation... You can remember some things not others... They mentioned he knew her ex boyfriend, there is a chance she had met him once, or had seen a picture of him somewhere, obviously nothing that memorable, as I'm sure you can't remember all of your ex's friend you have seen a picture of or at a background in a gathering or whatever, but I can imagine that when she did see him, she remembered a bit of him, but obviously because that memory wasn't clear enough, and her memory of the incident wasn't clear either it came to her brain obviously didn't go "I remember this guy, from that one picture on my ex's facebook" but instead went something like "I have seen this man before" obviously she is not asked to think about all of her memories from birth, but just the memory of the incident, which again cannot be clear, because the body is not designed to waste energy on anything other than fighting or flighting, so "have seen this man" all of a sudden is "I must have seen him at the crime scene, otherwise why would I have remembered him?!" I hope that helps a bit. I know it's very sad and disappointing, but unfortunately human body and memory is extremely complex, and not always 100% accurate. Again I know this for a fact (from having read studies in memory in situations like this were victims misidentify their perpetrators, I know she didn't do this to be malicious, and it was an honest mistake) obviously the criminal justice system of this country is broken... If it wasn't the cops would actually go look for evidence and not get a false confession because getting a confession results in a raise. I think we should be angry, but we can't blame her for making a mistake any one would make, but blame and change the system for enabling this... Obviously any one whose studied the brain, and the mind, even in small doses, knows that it is extremely faulty, and if you even think about it, you encode memories based on your experiences and not from an unbiased view, for example if you are arguing with your friend your memory won't be encoded as " we had an argument and I was just as wrong or unreasonable" but more like "we had an argument, and he is so rude for calling me this and that, and so ignorant for not understanding my point" I hope this helped
She should wear the letter "L" for liar on her chest and have to walk around town forever for everyone to see. Then people should say "shame" "shame" "shame" as she passes by them.
@Statistically Speaking were you not listening, she was caught straight up intentionally lying in court. Identify your bias, stop trying to defend someone just because of the woman card. Even if the guy narrating this video is wrong, you genuinely have no reason to believe otherwise, what you've suggested is pure speculation, derived from insecurity. Might want to brush the dust of the psychology books, Pegah, and start some self analysis.
@Statistically Speaking yeah, people saying that false accusations ruin people's lives and yes they do. but if people were convicted because they made false accusations there would be innocent people's lives ruined there too
@Anni Eliina How is someone who has been proven to be lying innocent nobody said if a woman accidentally accused a man they should be put in jail lying about rape and assault doesn't just hurt the man it hurts all people who have been raped or assaulted as people are less likely to believe them
@Statistically Speaking Nobody said if a person accidentally accused the wrong person they should go to jail they said if they are proven to be lying they should go to jail
@Alfie Shepherd i wasn't talking about people actually making up false accusations. that's a terrible thing to do and should be punished somehow. but there are also real accusations being written off as false because they couldn't be proven. that means that there would also be innocent victims sent to jail if false accusations were to be punished. i'm just saying that the solution isn't so black and white.
@Quare Percutis Proximum giving false testimony in the court of law. and slander as well. and lying to law enforcement officers and probably calling police for no good reason. so at least four I see there . Why just slander? This isn't a slander issue.. false testimony is eh... you're going away to federal prison
This is the law in Norway now. If a woman falsely accuses a man of rape, she will receive the punishment that the man would have gotten had he been found guilty. This has greatly reduced the amount of revenge accusations.
in the old days she would have, the courts used to sentence anyone found guilty of perjury under oath with the sentence the person they testified against would have gotten. i think most states give up to 12 years nowadays
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Dan G2021-03-15 05:40:35 (edited 2021-03-15 05:41:14 )
I had an ex take the stand and admit under oath to completely making up false charges against me in attempt to prevent me from leaving her. The female judge was outraged and told the officer who pressed the charges against me without so much as contacting me or having a shred of evidence, that she expected charges to be filed against this girl for doing this. He didn't file any charges against her, of course. The same police department didn't file charges against her when she stole $3k from me, or when she stole my credit card. 50-60% of cops are shit and the other 40-50% who are good know that's the truth.
How about the cops should should be fired and forced to pay bankruptcy inducing reparations for an inability to do a job that destroys people's lives. How about removing hidden revenue based quota agendas, if in the U.S. read 27 CFR § 72.11. Also If you are in the U.S., how about waking up to the fact that at any given time you are commercial crop for system so sinister that you cannot even fathom the level of corruption...
@Rick Terrance it probably did affect his life even if he got a good lawsuit off of it, imagine if u was a bad person and fully changed into a productive member of the society for a decade yet u are still forced to waste 2-3 years of your life beside criminals for something u didnt do, if something did flip in your head and decided to turn back to being a bad apple, who can really blame you? I really hope that the law punishes ppl who falsely accuse innocents much harder than it does now, whole family can be destroyed over nothing!
@Statistically Speaking To be fair as someone who was often in fight or flight situations I can say that ppl tend to remember more of what they see.Main reason would be that our brain frantically searches for way to safeguard our body (organism) weather it be ways to get out or remembering who to run from in crowds.
@Steven Downie And you genuinely have no reason to believe that Pegah meant these things just because of the "woman card". I don't even agree with Pegah on him/hers other points, but you just did exactly, what you said someone shouldn't do.
Second guy shows the extreme danger of relying on eyewitness testimony. Often they are wrong when involving strangers or people they hardly know, and sometimes—as here—they might be flat out lying.
Maybe someday, every detective could be accompanied by a psychologist in the interrogation room. I am not an expert in criminology, nor am I a psychologist, but I have had personal experience with people who lied to cover up serious crimes. Michael and Justin, while reacting in different ways, were CLEARLY not lying.
Michael is FAR too Canadian. He even tells the investigator "I'm not trying to give you a hard time". MICHAEL, this guy is literally trying to give you HARD TIME!
I freaked out when an american cop accused me of littering once. And people say were the same country 🤣 but yea poor michael tho. Last part here isn't a joke.
He even thanks the investigator at the end. Way too Canadian chill. It's almost as if I feel more upset than Michael.
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Rhys Jones2020-10-08 20:41:38 (edited 2020-10-08 20:44:01 )
layney boy it’s how we act in other countries. We send out tons of money for help, we generally don’t get involved in war, as well as our tourists are generally very well behaved. I can tell you for certain Europeans have the same opinion on Canadians as America.
Fun fact I actually ran into a travelling couple in Wales, they had Canadian leafs on their backpacks but told me they were American they just have Canadian backpacks because people treat them like shit with American flagged ones lol
People keep saying that cops aren't your enemies, but they're not your friends either. Their job is to arrest people. Always assume the worst in a interrogation and shut up until your lawyer shows up.
Junko ya at this point everyone should know to just shut up and get a lawyer. I didn’t like when micheal in the video kept saying “I trust your will” it made me super uncomfortable
@layney boy have you been to other countries tho? or perhaps just live in Quebec? Im a canadian who lives in america and all i can say is i think people get a lot worse lol.
@Rhys Jones So true. I lived in Australia for several years and when people would smile and ask me if I was Canadian (there are a lot of Canadians in Australia). I would say no I am American, and their smiles would quickly fade. Australians consume a lot of American news and entertainment so their preconceptions of Americans are pretty negative. But many Americans have a preconception of Australians being fun-loving and laid-back which I rarely saw in people. Culturally they seemed pretty reserved until they started drinking. This is mostly in the cities though, people in rural areas are much more steriotypically fun-loving... Until you say you are American...
@Jimmy M Thats the opinion of my country that I get when looking at TV and social media. However talking to real people shatters this notion. I have lived at least three years on every continent except South America (and Antarctica of course) and have found that every society is a gradient of assholery and good-naturedness. I probably wouldn't put any national emblem on my backpack, its better to just be as kind and accomodating as you can be in another culture.
have you ever thought that canadian 'niceness' is lowkey an advantage to them? i mean watch the end of the video and tell me micheal didn't do the right thing or acted the right way.
@ReyCo47 yes, had you read through the comments you would've seen that a few comments were directed towards Michael who cowardly deleted all his comments.
@TSERV I don't support blm, but I hate when people say that cause it's saying something that doesn't need to be said. The phrase "black lives matter" was made to put into light that black people aren't monkeys, not to say that white people are the monkeys. I don't have a problem with saying all lives matter, but as a response to black lives matter, it just sounds weird asf. Also, no disrespect to monke.
Saint Sacrifice, agreed, but bruh, don't you know what happens to people with his shade of skin ? he HAS to become a diplomat. anything less could result in further abuse or loss of life.
@Rhys Jones its always been so silly to me that Europeans hate America/ns because without us they’d literally be speaking german two times over. Its blatant jealousy but still silly nonetheless
@Andre Quinones Canadian cops treat first nations worse than even American cops treat black people. Canada isnt the "nice guy" country they pretend to be
@Andre Quinones I’m Canadian and I’m married to an American. The two countries are COMPLETELY different. The only thing we have in common are corporations and the English language.
@Junko their job technically is to serve and protect and keep the peace. I’m in full agreement that regrettably many seek the job to satisfy a need for power, however they are not there only to arrest people. I see what you’re trying to say though.
@TSERV yes. All lives matter. What BLM is trying to say is that is that to ignore the injustices that have been inflicted is to commit a great moral crime. It is not to undermine anyone else’s life, but to elevate theirs to a place of equity. It’s not right to put them above anyone else, nor below. They deserve the birthright of humanity, as they are part of it, but right now the emphasis is placed on them because of the horrors they have endured at the hands of friends.
Being civil is perhaps the best thing you can do in this situation, aside from demanding your lawyer (that's YOUR lawyer, not a state-appointed attorney; don't care what the cost is, it beats jail time).
From someone whose been in those shoes but wasn’t innocent I completely feel for them bc they are truly innocent. Some people are extremely unlucky and what’s more important is that this happens so so so many times all over the world at times and it’s scary. Jail isn’t fun it’s miserable the beds are concrete or metal slabs with a 2-3 inch mattress pad a 2 inch thick pillow and a short blanket (for the tall folks I’ve seen suffering from freezing cold whatever) it’s a special type of hell. Fed prison is a bit better but state or county jail you’re mixed with everyone from murderers or weed charge waiting for court so dangerous are mixed with non dangerous and all that.
And, having anxiety from (non) friends and family is hard because either: "anxiety is not real. You are just dealing with guilt of breaking the law" - yes, actually said by a cop (state trooper) or automatically viewed as guilty. They never stop to think how the interaction itself can also bring anxiety, not because guilty not innocent, just purely from it being a conversation. Shit is stupid to be auto labeled guilty.
i know exactly what you are saying!! my best friend is going thru something just like this. being charged of a horrible crime simply for exposing a child molestor. if u have the time and interest, please look up the user : "catterpillar" on youtube. he is being charged for making that video - he is going thru hell right now, already having had heart issues he tells me he thinks the stress of it all is literally going to kill him, with a heart attack.
Glad to hear the last bit. What a liar, saying he had video of the accused. 46K wasn't enough. Neither was a demotion. Fraud is fraud, and when committed by a law enforcement officer, it should require a discharge from his position and public shaming. Each lie should have counted as a separate fraud charge. Punitive damages should have been 46K from each of the 3 investigators.
I feel so horrible for the second guy. The way he slowly increases his leg shake as he puts two and two together and realizes he's being falsely accused is heartbreaking. He knew he wasn't going to be believed because he has a history
yea i mean especially knowing in your heart, that they don't have any kind of evidence to support their claims. just absolutely shitty and horrific feeling im sure.
@macandfries Thanks. Interesting.. it's a bit hard to get the info, but it seems like he knew Candi and stole her daughters Playstation while he was visiting the house? But that she then made up the story of him breaking in and beating her. Wild.
Anything that another person is thinking - including the reason for ANY form of body language or experiencing is entirely subjective - it cannot be observed and exists only in that persons mind.
This means that it is not possible to know anything about what another person is thinking, or experiencing or why they behave the way they do based on their body language.
Anyone who makes ANY a statement about someone else's state of mind along with a statement about their body language that they think "proves" it is ether stupid to the point of there being something wrong with them or a fraud who is trying to fool exceptionally stupid people.
@Stephen Grigg No, these people did not agree with you they gave a like. This is not the same as an agreement since you dont know why any given one of them clicked on the like button.
In any case claiming that people agree with you is a Appeal to popularity logical fallacy. If a message has a big enough audience its is going to get lots of supporters but that dos not in any way prove that the statement is accurate because even the worst lies can be believed by many people.
@mr X Man give it up dude. 4.9 k people versus you is reason enough to question your bloody reasoning. And just because you participated in a debate club or studies the top 10 logical fallacies, etc, doesn't make you right either. Appeal to authority or popularity are not 'proof' but they are evidence towards something being more likely true. And frankly stats plays a role in what is true and what is not true, ask any bloody physics major on the study of reality at its deepest level, it often comes down to stats. Similarly a large portion of why a human thinks something is true is based on the probabilities as well, whether for instance someone shaking their leg could mean a thousand different things, the fact that under certain circumstances it statistically often only means one or two things is happening internally with the person means that people can logically make that leap and be 'reasonable' sure they are correct. This is how we get by in the world, the way you are proposing would grind anyone to a halt having to second guess everything because 'it might be wrong rarely'. By backing this up with years of human study and first hand knowledge confirmed by asking someone what they are experiencing say at the same time they are shaking their leg, etc. And then by also simple projecting oneself into the situation and understanding how you might feel. Humans combine all this and make a judgement call all the bloody time, and it works, otherwise we wouldn't do it. Can it be wrong, yes, of course, does it mean it's wrong just because it can be wrong, no, that is a logical fallacy in itself. Here is the facts, it is more then likely correct by quite a large margin, and that is good enough for most people, especially in a case like this where it doesn't matter too much, and it really is the most likely scenario. If there was say someone's life hanging on the result, then yea, we can delve into the depts of Descartes Doubt, but this is not reasonable for most everyday things in life. And pushing it like everything 'must be done to the extreme' is just a fallacy in itself. The fact that there are 4.9k people who think the same, and the only 1 sharing your opinion gives us a chance of 4900 to 1 that you are wrong buddy. Because it is clear that to 4900k people they would likely feel the same thing as Stephen originally described. Thus in a poll it shows that 4900 people would react the way Stephen described in the situation, and 1 person says that shaking their leg like that in that situation would not mean their leg would likely shake more aggressively as the realization of the situation took hold. Ie we did a poll, 4900 people to 1 is the current poll. So yea, 4900 to 1 you are wrong. Gonna go with that 'logic'....
@mr X bro..... you can literally google why you're wrong. You can't determine someone's way of thinking by body language, but you can tell what they're feeling in that moment.
For example when someone's face is beet red but it's in the middle of a summer day, a very normal temperature, no wind, but their friend said something that could embarrass that person. The person's face turning red is due to embarrassment, which is body language.
Someone bouncing their legs at a rapid pace is a very good indicator for anxiety, also tremors is another good way of spotting anxiety, when someone is constantly shifting their eyes and analyzing a room, that's anxiety.
I took college classes on this, what you're spouting is complete bullshit.
Like yeah when a guy is getting in my face and shouting at me, and clenching a fist that totally doesn't mean he wants to punch me, nope not at all, for all we know he's going in for a hug. You're delusional.
Ughhhh.... that shit was so obvious to me that he is telling the truth. He is like panicking and offended and it’s clearly genuine. He was so not expecting that... poor Justin.. “I used to be a piece of shit” he isn’t even angry at the detectives exactly it seems like he is just heartbroken. He keeps apologizing he’s in shock. ughhhhhh I know this was something out of his nightmares...
@mr X damn, you got proven so wrong you went silent. also, you usually like a comment when you agree with it, find it entertaining, sympathize with what's being said, etc etc. so, you're also wrong with that part as well.
@Citizen Otacon you have made 2 mistakes here. You are telling me that someone is experiencing anxiety at a specific moment in time.
You absolutely cannot do this. Anxiety is a state of mind it is entirely subjective therefore there is no possible way for any one to know if a different person is experiencing it.
your second mistake is that you have cited an observable action as proof of the persons state of mind. You also cannot do this - the reason for any behaviour anyone shows is entirely subjective and there is no possible way to know what it is.
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The Zigzagman2021-12-19 21:28:58 (edited 2021-12-19 21:31:45 )
@mr X He literally says he's freaking out in the video. Stop being so pointlessly pedantic.
Also there's no evidence that body language is a good indicator of emotion objectively across all people. It can still very much be used situationally to track changes in the mental state of specific individuals. Especially when it's a behavior that repeats with similar stimuli
same thing happen to me except i don't have history, in fact i never did anything wrong in my entire life and now i'm still figthing charge and trust me, even if i know i will win in court, it still horrible and some days i just want to kill myself, i cant handle all of this shit, 2nd worst moment of life
@mr X are you kidding me? You clearly don’t work in healthcare because there are plenty of peer review studies that evidence a correlation between body language and internal state of mind. Body language obviously does not ‘cause’ body language, but there is evidence to support that body language can be expressive of emotion and thought
@mr X sure but the context IS known here. GOOD POINTS IN GENERAL. but in this instance how bout you RELAX and take her empathetic share made in good faith for what it is ?
@mr X lol. Its just an empathetic inference. based in the entire known context and relatable Sure the person is IMAGIIG what they'd be feeling snd just aboutAll people would be experiencing in his place if They were doing that-...
COULD the leg bounce be manifesting something else, entirely? Sure , but how is THAT. relevant?
@mr X This is incorrect. Nonlinguistic communication is real. The commenter didnt say that the increasigl6 agitated leg bounce PROVED anything. It is plausible given the entire context that it Indicates agitationand the terrible things Causing agitationat well known to us.
@mr X the man expressed anxiety and anguish both verbally and nonverbally. Both linguistic and nonlinguistic communication exist. Byyour own logic, the very fact that language can be misinterpreted or used to deceive invalidates it. Your argument boils down to " until i can READ MINDS" language is ' STUPID. '
I admire this other side when the detectives are trying to nail you for something you didnt do. The innocent project tells you how many innocent people are in jail for something they didn't do. Sad sad
I worked with cops just like this, (in the US) ... who could give a shit less if they have the right guy. Detectives are not trained to eliminate as much as they are put under pressure to "solve" things quickly and put another brownie button on their girl scout vest.
I love that JCS actually listened to their viewers and did a video of innocent people being interrogated....orrr maybe they've been planning it all along. Either way, dope stuff.
Yup this is great stuff. I recommend watching "confession tapes" on netflix, it's a good documentary series on interrogating (probably) innocent subjects and forcing a confession.
I feel like it's hard to plan something like these situations when it's just you. Soon you'd probably start to doubt your plan and start bouncing ideas off people which likely leads to witnesses and accusers.
I think he listens cause he mentioned something specific that we say in the comments a lot: (Innocent people with anxiety will look guilty). idk though, but I was waiting for this video 💕😂
They already had a similar video like this before when they started, with the first guy actually, too bad they had to take them down, their early videos were gold
What’s scary about all this is that you are in a world of 💩 if the investigators convince themselves that you are guilty of the crime. The system is supposed to prevent wrongful imprisonment, but humanity is not a system and you can be at the mercy of the ones doing the digging.
I know how’s he feeling it’s fucked up me and my brother were falsely accused of molestation and rapes 3 years ago by our own maid I feel this guy how it feels when you are falsely accused of things which you have not even committed but I have faith in justice system and we won the case as truth always wins 🙏🏼
Did they actually kept michael in jail for 3 days? Those detectives were really taking their sweet time. Wow man. I know people can be petty. But this one left me speechless.
Hey, this kind of visual comparison between the psychology of people who have committed a crime and those who have not is especially interesting. In your past videos you've done an amazing job at explaining how a suspect's behavior during interrogation betrays their psychology. In this video you've gone that much further by contrasting such behaviours in detail by using past cases. This is amazing work. Thank you.
I agree! Very intriguing. I study applied math. I don’t know shit about detective work but this channel ALWAYS keeps my attention. This video even more.
TheRev0 and can you believe this is free on YouTube? JCS has taught me sooo much about people who lie. I swear, I was good at catching liars before, but I am a freaking expert now lol
I honestly hate most of videos...not because they are getting criminals to confess, but because those tactics used on an innocent person can cause them to crack as well, which is unfortunate.
I have been questioned many times in my youth I always made it very difficult for the detectives LOL I had the ability to lie and remember everything I lied about and even left room in the lies for the future and I did everything alone! I once told a detective it was my job to break the law and your job is to catch me cops are not there to help anyone better to keep your mouth shut from the beginning only talk to your lawyer.
The first Guy is Calm because He's never been in trouble before, and has a naive understanding of our Justice System. The 2nd Guy knows that the Truth is irrelevant in a Court of Law, He understands that Speculation can become Reality in a blink of an Eye. And what did or did not happen no longer matters.
Once again this wonderful channel is attacked with graphic content flagging from youtube. How many times does this team have to reinstate the videos back up for you to get off their back?
@Melissa B When they get it blatantly wrong and mess with people's lives, unjustly, there should be severe punishments. It's right up there with bearing false witness, which should be punished the same way as you'd punish the falsely accused, if found guilty.
The way these people can put your life in jeopardy at little or no risk to themselves is disgusting. In the USA, they can go after a sitting president with illegally obtained warrants and CLEAR malice, and nothing happens to them.
There've always been those who operate above the law. It's more blatant, now. They do it right out in the open, and if you're on the wrong side of it, you have no remedy.
That is the part that put a smile to my face, what really got me emotional is how polite & respectful Michael Dixon is to the racist scumbag detective who didnt even think once that this could be wrong. Its amazing how God changes situation & people like Mr Dixon never loose their temper.
what a joke, demoted and suspended without pay? they almost ruined this man's life because they were so incompetent. Being fired and barred from ever serving as a cop/investigator for life should be the absolute minimum
@ケザコ exactly, if not sentenced to prison for as long as they were trying to put him away for, set a real example for other cops that we are no longer going to take this bullshit.
Shouldn't they have been fired? I've heard of people being fired for being late to work. These guys took three days of a innocent mans life away because they were lazy.
@Derek Lemaster That's not good enough, either. They should have been prosecuted. Police are entrusted with a sacred trust. If they cannot carry that trust they should find other work. If they outright betray that trust they should be punished more severely than the criminals.
....So the management office of the departments voiced genuine interest to have the interrogating officer and three other investigators back to work the moment after they were informed they made their biggest mistakes that can be made in their respective SERIOUS positions that literally directly deal with people and CAN alter people's lives with a mistake in the field they chose.... in any company I've worked with (that DOESN'T alter people's lives in a serious matter I've seen people immediately get fired for a mistake or two that once again doesn't alter any one's life in a serious way... a cop makes their BIGGEST mistake *which is either kill or bring in and lie on innocent.... they get sent home for a few days.... sent home and told to come back........... How were they not FIRED? Lmfao
@Shardell Yeah, okay, but there's a thing called perspective. There's a thing called a second chance. These guys shouldn't be cops any longer but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated without humanity. We become just as bad as they acted if we do. They should go to prison for what they did so that other cops know there's consequences. But for the rest of their life? That isn't justice, that's vengeance.
@P Sauer honestly watching this interrogation is quite scary. I mean this was a Blatant case of just get any ole guy arrested for being at the wrong place, right time….
I was so upset from this video. Thank you for writing this information. I hope to God not to ever be in such a situation and cringe in my soul that such practices exists. Thank God the truth prevailed and at least locally there was some accountability by this department.
Actually hearing that I was like 'good you f***ing c***t' haha I hope this officer lost his job, like hell he treated him like an individual. The level of contempt and disrespect was unreal!
Such a culture shock to me. In my country, the US, they would have possibly shot him and been promoted with more pay. Them getting demoted or suspended without pay isn't even on the menu here.
In all honesty they deserved to be fired. Watching the interrogator not even give the man a chance to speak for himself and insist he's guilty was kind of painful.
So just being demoted is music to your ears? The cop is useless piece of s***. Instead of being a good detective and reviewing evidence, which is hard work, he decided to just "wing it". He was lying (to both the suspect and himself) that he already had all the answers. That's not "trickery", that's just being a lazy bum. How did he not get fired?
@Harry Mills Totally agree. If you have the power to wreck someone's life, reputation, and livelihood it better be taken and treated with that significance with gross misconduct punishable by the same repercussions as the defendant is facing (jail and prison).
@Harry Mills And of course in the USA they can go after a criminal President with legally obtained warrants. It recently occured. And nothing happened to the criminal President. Disgusting. God bless America....
@ケザコ In this case the guy got 3 days of jail, and received 46k of it. It's no like he was convicted and served years on jail, so i found the punishment kinda fitting, and also the indenization
@Mooncake it shouldn't be about punishment for what happened. It should be about prevention and punishment for what COULD HAVE happened. These people have legal immunity AND total authority to wreck or even end our lives completely. They need to be held to a MUCH higher standard than the average citizen, but instead they are held to a lower one. This is on purpose. The system isn't designed to protect us.
Ok to all the people saying that the punishment they got wasn't enough, well yeah bo shit it wasn't. But it's a lot better than what we usually get, where police aren't held accountable at all unless there is significant public backlash
@Ash Trash You see, i think that the punishment for "what could have happened" an violation of principles, we can't have access or predict what could or could not have happen, that's why the ends cannot justify the means (you cannot guarantee the outcome [end]), the punishments should be fair, that said, i believe that if the detective jail the guy for 2, 5 ,10 years in prison, then the detective should have a punishment as severe as it, and the victim should receive according indenization
@Harry Mills Who are you referring to when you say "these people?" Because it seems like you are talking about the cops in the video (local cops), but then you are talking about illegally obtained warrants, and the United States government (federal lawmakers, presumably). Those two aren't the same group, so there must be a bigger group, that contains both of the smaller groups - local cops and federal lawmakers. So what group is it that are "these people?" One commonality is that they are mostly white men. Are you talking about white men?
@Ash Trash yes I know but I'll take what I can get for the time being. Just because you will settle for less in situations you can't change doesn't mean you can't fight for better
i was kinda happy when I heard he got 46k for the 3 days but I let out a loud HELL YEAH when I her the investigators were demoted and suspend without pay, just M'WAH perfect
Officers have the ability to cause immense damage to someone's life. They should have minimally received the same treatment - put into prison for 3 days.
@Brian Ni I hope you know that close to 75% of US citizens don't agree with what the police do here. Racism exists everywhere - even in Canada. This video was proof of that, whether justice was served or not.
@Brian Ni your perspective comes from your media. Most Americans are anti-gun as well. If your image of an average American is a gun-carrying, racist white man from a small town who goes hunting for black people, you are uneducated on the fact that this is a country of immigrants where most have escaped persecution and/or financial hardship. Canada is also that type of nation - colonized and stolen from natives by the Brits and French. It's ok to be critical of where you live. Comparing yourself to the US just to make you feel better doesn't do anything to further push justice in your own home.
Imo I think this is a mistake that should cost you your job permanently. To risk ruin somebody’s life because you didn’t do your job properly is just insane to me. They simply don’t have what it takes to be an investigator or officer.
its not enough! Demote? what does that even mean?! oh so now he is just a normal investigator ? i doubt they will be working traffic lights! but the brother could of had his whole life ruined! disgusting! at least he got a car out of it 45k aint no lose change!
@Jacklyn Narian why is it that you guys are mostly anti gun yet you can’t change gun laws? Isn’t America the country you can hope for change with the right amount of protest and people? Also yes literally the entire western civilization was colonized but the way the natives were handled was a bit different. Anyways my image isn’t a white man carrying a gun killing African Americans, it is however a country that somehow can never change it’s roots. I can’t say my country is racist free because inside everyone’s a bit prejudice. I’m jus sayin man the media is a strong place and it has much power to define what a country may be.
@Brian Ni you've never taken a political science class before? I wish laws can change overnight but it doesn't work that way. Maybe you're still a teenager. I don't know who you are but I hope get to learn how politics work. And more importantly, learn to not only criticize other nations but yours as well. That's how democracies work. Racism is well and alive in Canada too. Like the US, it has a history of colonialism.
@Jacklyn Narian btw I didn’t say overnight, what I meant is the amount of people who say they are anti gun for years now yet for some reason y’all can’t change it even though you said it. Literally politics is dumb but I know things can change if they really out enough effort but most of these days it doesn’t seem like there is any movement trying to stop guns at all. I mean seriously this gun problem has been going on for years but doesn’t seem like it’s gonna be fixed any time in the future. More importantly I’m critiquing your country because I have reasons to and y’all gotta learn to take some criticism. I’m not saying my country is the best and has no problems, of course it has problems and let’s be honest that all countries has problems but this is the internet and I am critiquing your country under the comments of this video. Like I would criticize my own country if this comment was about my country but what I’m commenting on is what this comment implies and therefore I add context about my argument. So it is in my best interest to critique what I believe in mentioned in this comment. I know that you are defending your country and being critical about something isn’t bad. That’s what makes things better. There are many things I think you misunderstood and took it offensively but I want you to know that these are just criticisms and are not directed against you since you are a person but not the entire population. Also I don’t think you are reading my replies correctly lmao cause you seem to repeat some of the things I mentioned. I mentioned how the entire western civilization is colonized which includes Canada and USA and South America, and what I compared to was how USA treated the natives vs how the Canadian treated the natives. You misinterpreted my wording. Also politics are complicated I get it, but let’s be honest here, you don’t need politics for change. Just see India’s protest for independence, or the African American’s protests of freedom. Non of these needed politics though politics were involved but it wasn’t the governments who changed the law, it was the people who fought for change who changed the law. Right now your telling me only politicians can choose what the people want apparently and if the governments want guns, the people can’t change that. I’m just suggesting and asking for some clarity to why hasn’t gun law changed after years meanwhile other populations of people can make such changed just in a few years. It almost seems as you may be wrong about the amount of people who are Antigun. Even a single person can change countries like ghandi or Martin Luther king junior, or Mandela. These people changed the world because of their will and strength for change, so what does America have? Are you ready for a change?
@Harry Mills I agree with your first paragraph, that what the cops did here is similar to bearing false witness and should not be considered acceptable conduct. But, the problem with your comparison of a sitting president being accused of a crime without evidence and then being investigated, is that the president has more waaaaay more power than an average citizen who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think it's fair for the people in positions of tremendous power over the country and world to be scrutinized more closely than the average citizen walking down the street on his way to work, building trade shows.
Also, Trump wasn't stuck in a holding cell for three days like this unfortunate citizen was. :P
@TheMattc999 But, how do you know this cop is guilty of what you're accusing him of and suggesting he be locked up for a lengthy time? Just playing devil's advocate here, but shouldn't that cop also be considered innocent until proven guilty? If your answer is no, then you're being hypocritical! :P
When I was 16, (32 now) I use to run around with gang members. One time there was a drive-by shooting in the city I live in and the person was killed. After about a month, the gang task force came to my house and took me in for questioning about the shooting. When I got to the interrogation room, 1st thing they said was, "we know u did it. Ur homies said u did it and they said u buried the gun in ur backyard." I was like wtf? I said I don't know wtf u guys are talking about. They persistently kept coming at me telling me to come clean. I did get pissed and I cussed them out saying they don't know wtf they're talking about. After a while I got fed up, laughed and told them I'm f'n done talking with them. They threatened me that they'll see me in court and I'm gonna get life. I told them well then do what u f'n gotta do cuz it seems ya got no suspects so ya just pulling people in threatening them. They took me to Juvie after and I was there for a month. Court date came up and guess what my charge was? "Disorderly Conduct" for a school fight I had months back before they took me in for the "interrogation" and got expelled for. Moral of my story is that I knew I was innocent and yes I got pissed off like the innocent guy in this vid cuz of all the accusations being thrown right at ur face but I chucked it with a laugh at the end cuz my innocence was there in mind and heart.
micheal asked for a lawyer and the dective dismissed his request, all while claiming he was giving him his rights and treating him decently. im beyond happy everything worked out in his favor but the damage is still done.
I would have liked to have seen this video framed in a way where you presented the video as a guilty person being analyzed as usual, only for you to pull the rug from under us to reveal that he was actually innocent
This makes me sick how many people who are innocent get arrested and their lives ruined while the actual person who committed the crime skips away free
When I used to work in the courts here in australia (As a video technician, I was the guy who set up all the video-links, fixed the VHS machines (This was the early 2000s when VHS was still a thing) and a Judge once told me that she estimates that in a jury trial about a 1/3 of the people convicted are innocent and 1/2 of the people found innocent actually did it. Non Jury trials the ratio is a lot better because judges are pretty experienced with reading body language and evaluating evidence, (Thoug they do get to hear the discarded evidence which is usually prejudicial and poor quality), but still would likely be around 1/4 innocent found guilty and 1/4 guilty found innocent.
Now, imagine that situation with the death penalty? Terrifying isn't it.
@hits*academic Great plan einstein, except what happens when your king is a criminal. Hint: Historically, thats most of them, its the whole damn reason we had to invent democracy. The only "good" kings are kings without power.
Hi this topic is big for me im from Ireland I got badly beating by a garda he us a to take me from school with no warrant he get me in his car and beat me to these places that were broke int he use to beat me show me how I got into these houses then drive me to the station tel me just admit to this u can go home never had celisitor now I am fighting so fukn hard to get justice to stop this it's not fair
The number of wrongly, falsely followed, harassed, indicted, charged and convicted, incarcerated is actually astounding. Also, last time I checked about 50% of those who are incarcerated have non violent drug offenders. This prisons for profit and police needing to make quotas has to cease and desist.
@hits*academic We have learned from history that if there is 1 king, even if he wants to help the country, one of his offspring is eventually going to get power hungry
Ive been arrested twice because i called the police for help the first time my gf was holding the deadbolt so i couldn't open the door. They falsified the report saying i was too drunk to open the door with my keys. I did everything right i went to the bar took a cab home then have to spend the night in jail. Was never arrested before either. Was then arrested again for my neighbor calling the cops on me they asked me to talk to them outside and cuffed and arrested me right there. They assumed i was a aggressor because my girlfriend at the time threw me into furniture with enough force to break it. Its really upsetting and i have those charges for life now.
This is personally why I'm against the death penalty. Unless we can 100% guarantee that everyone is convicted correctly (which will never happen as long as humans are involved) then I am against it.
I think the difference with the first two subjects reactions are that Michael probably has been accused many more times than the second dude. That's why Michael is innocent but his reaction is unusually calm. He also knows how quickly an intense rebuttal can be labeled "aggressive" and not end well for someone like him.
What happened to your channel? I was watching "Wrath of Jodi" and once I refreshed the page - yt told me it's not there. I checked your channel - and many of the videos I'd frequently watched just went poof. Only 3 remaining. What happened? Your content is of such quality and I enjoy watching it s much.
When you're in these situations I think it's good to call out the investigators. "Are you sure you know that? Yeah prove it to me.." etc. But ultimately best to get a lawyer...
Purposely trying to imprison someone they know is innocent to boost their own repertoire should result in immediate termination, but at least they were punished, I guess.
For all we know they did. A false accusation even if exonerated can cause irreparable damage. It's why a suspension and demotion aren't sufficient for this detective.
I was once accused falsely that I played a role in a rape case. I experienced the same shit as Michael Dixon. My reaction was something between Michael and Justin. At first I was calm because I knew that I did not do anything. But once they told me, that one of the girls which should had been raped recognized me on one of the photos they showed to her, I was furious! It was obviously a lie because they did not arrest me or anything afterwards. They were just trying my composure. The strategics of these cops all the same all around the globe. I am from the Czech Republic by the way.
I would much sooner react like the first person. And I would definitely never lose my cool. Granted, I don't have enough of a history that burglary would land me 20 years in jail. Nor do I live in a nation where that is even possible in the first place. But I do have a history so I can understand someone actually losing his cool under the circumstances and getting angry and upset at the whole situation.
But mostly I would remain extremely and unnervingly calm. Although, if a police officer says he has evidence that does not exist... it depends on my state of mind. I am confident enough that I would laugh off any accusations. And while in my nation even just police officers need to have a decent IQ, I know that these people are not the most intelligent people on the planet.
@Ion Ymous Even 8 years later during the lawsuit, that cop was STILL insisting he had arrested the right guy!!! The fact that idiot is still on the force means no one is safe in Hamilton.
@Ion Ymous that's the saddest part. Surely it didn't even weigh on his conscience for the days following this interrogation. He couldn't care less about the guy as soon as he finished the interrogation and I bet he now sponges his guilt behind statements like "Unfortunately this things can happen" ,"I was just following protocol ", "I did everything by the book" That type of confidence should have at least made the inspector stop double check his facts before proceeding with the accusation.
@zammmerjammer Do you have link for the developments of this case? I can't find anything on Michael Dickson as he has the same name as a NFL player smh
@zammmerjammer he's the type with a persecution complex; nothing is his fault, everyone is against him, trying to make him look bad. The LAST person who should be in law enforcement.
@Yto They just followed the script. The script says they have to say to the suspect that they have overwhelming evidence. They say this to absolutely everyone. They do it in the hopes the suspect will start talking. Probably many of the less intelligent (or more scared) guilty people will then instantly admit the crime, so police likely thinks it's worth a try. And it's not without reason. You shouldn't talk to police without a lawyer in general, but if you really did commit something and you know for sure they have evidence (don't believe if they say they have, they are allowed to lie), for example, you are caught red-handed, or you know the evidence is out there and easy to find, then it might be to your advantage to just admit it. The judge will likely reduce your sentence if you did so.
Seeing him instantly being called out on his bluff is a breath of fresh air on this channel I tell ya. Really puts into perspective just how aggressively defensive the innocent will get compared to the guilty.
@Rabbie Burns I wouldn't be so sure that cop was reprimanded or demoted at all.its the government we're talking about, where promotion is largely based on longevity, not competency.
I have to admit I got frustrated with Michael at this point. He needed to be more assertive. There is absolutely no point in being cooperative with cops if you're being detained without charge and wrongly accused of a crime. I know he "won" in the end but a lot of people don't.
@Mr.SteelinKeepit You seriously think 8 years of studying to become a doctor is about college partying? I suggest you see the kind of stuff freshmen have to learn about. Everyday it’s about memorizing organic chemistry and biochemical pathways/maps, interpreting 100s of graphs so that you can recognize what’s happening in a split-second, while keeping in mind there are caveats to everything. It’s a nightmare. There maybe bad doctors out there because doctors don’t like making and getting blamed for risky medical decisions by patients’ family and stick to routine benign solutions, but I guarantee you, at least the studying part is very rigorous.
@Mr.SteelinKeepit if becoming doctor is so easy, why isnt everyone a doctor? outside america university education is free. Why isn't everyone a doctor there?
I felt terrible for the ginger dude with the beard. He’s already messed up once and it sure as hell seemed like he was was doing everything in his power to do right. His fear is palpable. He knows he’s going down for something he didn’t do. He spent 2.5 years in jail for that offense. There is no amount of money that can make that right. He’s going to be mistrustful the rest of his life.
Reminds me of the time a guy tried to pay with two counterfeit $20s, and when I didn't return them to him after informing him they were fake, he threatened to call the police. "Please do."
@Kreutzer It ain't free everywhere. But, yes, this is what Cuba did. When you didn't have wage-slavery, nobody wanted to harvest sugar-cane (back-breaking, horrible work). In 2007, they sent 19,000 doctors. Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined. Out of a country of 11.33 million.
He should have added "Well, I hope you can show this video in court because if you are lying to get me to confess and I spend even a day in jail because of your lies and lack of any reason to hold me, I'll sue the hell out of this place and you personally for harassment". Now, folks, remember this: cops will NEVER be trying to get you to confess if they actually have the necessary proof to nail you. The fact that they are trying to get you to confess should give you a degree of confidence that you might be OK. Lawyer up and shut up is the best advice anyone can give if you are accused of something.
@Praevasc I agree with you up until the advice about it being to your "advantage to just admit it" if caught "red handed". is absolutely untrue. It does not have any affect on your sentencing. As someone who worked in a law office I have never seen a Judge take a confession into consideration of sentencing. A confession benefits the officer more than you, believe that. The only right thing to say is to request a lawyer and say nothing else, even if you think they have evidence against you.
@Aaron Gonzalez long tedious lawsuit efforts and lost time that could have bern directed toward loved ones ambitions and other precious rewarding prioritoes - time stolen that youll Never be able to give back, , compensated nearly TEN YEARS LATER - alot of peoole arenteven ALIVE ten years kater. It wasnt like a GUMBALL MACHINE, Unfortunately.
For me as a German its allways frightening to see how U.S. cops behave while interviewing suspects. I get the feeling that they dont care who, but that someone gets convicted to push their own carreer.
@Abby Cross the FOP/IA/Legal team strongly suggests he make this claim as it opens up a can of worms, shakes public trust, threatens finding and power structure
Im pretty sure Most of the people who gets away after 2 years with proof of them being innocent or anything like that will just be sent back to their house and nothing else
No money given as compensation, nothing, absolutely nothing
Omg that ending is sooo good! This kind of thing happens way too much. It’s almost always because of lazy and usually criminal police work and detectives.
My experience of this is on a much smaller scale, but I remember as a teenage girl answering the front door to find a police officer there looking for someone. I kept telling him that no one by that name lived at this address, but the officer just got angrier and more accusatory, as if I was lying to hide this person. Eventually he said "Look, I know he lives here at 123 Redacted Street, so--" "This is 123 Redacted Road." "...what?" the look on his face. He'd spent a good 10min arguing with a teenage girl when he was the fool turning up at the wrong address. I wonder if he still sometimes remembers and cringes. I sure hope so.
It's more common than criminals being treated this way. There are always more suspects than guilty people, and coos don't give a shit if you're actually guilty or not. They just want to fill their quotas.
@GloriousMane They're treated like this so they can to find out who the criminal is, hello?? It's not about quotas it's about putting the right people away. They can't just magically tell apart who is guilty and who is not. Would you rather them just imprison every suspect instead?
And from this video you should learn to feel same about supposed 'criminals', too, because you never know for real! Human error is not just frequent, humans actually are walking errors!
There are current around 1.8 million incarcerated people in the US. 1% of them are innocent. That is 18,000 innocent people behind bars. That is not acceptable.
@GloriousMane there arent quotas you gotta understand that theyd thought they were guilty these are unique legal mess ups and incompetence on the part of the officers and prosecuters I hate to see it but cops are necessary and not all bad the work they do just gets blown out of proportion
@guava Id rather every police force be disbanded and people arm and defend themselves. Quit pretending police forces are ANYTHING other than a well organized gang.
@Mark Pipo i mean floyd died via suicidal overdose on fentanyl. He couldnt breathe while still sitting alone in his car. Police fuck up all the time but to imply floyd died of anything besides an od is just disingenuous and patently false
That term "will be used AGAINST you" means what it says. Anything you say to a police officer / investigator that could be used as your defense, wil ultimately remain discarded until YOUR lawyer obtains that information.
You need to understand something important, when you are arrested, you have just become a player in a very serious game. Only issue is, you have been raised to trust our judicial system, you've been tought by society that cops are the good guys. And they are, but only up until you are pitted against them in this game of absolute ridiculousness.
For Christ sakes, we look up to a grown ass adult who wears a black bath robe to work, where he plays with a tiny wooden mallet?? Plus the worst possible aspect of this game is that if there is no video evidence, no DNA, no figer prints, no actual evidence at all, your oponite, (the prosecution) will revert back to the worst, most unreliable sources possible. And the public will see these lie detector test results, or eye whiteness testimony, jail house snetches, shoe print analysis, clothing analysis, and many many more things we humans have used as long back as when we murdered people for witchcraft, as the most solid and daming evidence ever. Who needs to be positive when ole Beth Barns saw his silhouette jump the fence 4days before the crime ever took place, right? No, i mean we dont need to take a long hard look at how we run our society and judicial system, not at all, the only thing we update is our computers' operating system, to ensure that we can store more ridiculously wacked out bullshit we call fact / reality.
it must be so terrifying to be in a room with someone confidently telling you that you are guilty for something you had literally NOTHING to do with. my anxiety is so bad in normal living situations. i’m quite confident i would have a stroke of some sort!
Oh my God I can't even imagine. The full force of the government is coming down on your head and stuffing you into a cage for something you had absolutely nothing to do with. And what can you do? Just telling the truth isn't good enough. You have to prove that you didn't do what was done. (Yeah yeah innocent until proven guilty isn't always the way it's done. A cop's word is basically 90% of the way to conviction if it's a judge deciding it, and 75% of the way if it's jury. If you don't have hard evidence to prove your innocence or irrefutably contradict the officer's testimony, then that sworn statement and no further evidence is enough to get you convicted)
And what makes this sort of thing even worse is you don't even really need to have a perfect storm of bad luck resulting in genuinely mistaken identity or something for this to happen. The perp might be a short white dude and you might be a tall black guy, but they'll arrest you anyway and even refuse to entertain the possibility that your tall black self is not in fact a stubby white guy.
@Teresa Roberts Oh yeah, it's certainly happened. Historically such tactics have been used on people with mental disabilities in particular.
As such people may have a reduced comprehension on how present actions may effect their future, they may do whatever necessary to get themselves out of an unpleasant, present circumstance with zero regard to the consequences.
i.e., they realize if they confess that will end the scary interrogation they're currently facing, but they do not understand they're trading a few hours of present comfort for years and years in a prison cell in the future.
In middle school this cop threatened me with hurting me so that I’d confess to something I didn’t do. I was a kid, I was so afraid I just confessed to something I didn’t do so that it would end!! At the time I didn’t realize how evil and wrong what he was doing was!!
Story that will make your skin crawl: many years ago I woke up to a flash of light outside of my window at like 5 am, and all of a sudden my entire house was flooded with FBI agents. They woke up all of my family members and herded us into the living room to be monitored while they brought my dad downstairs to interrogate him for about 2 hrs and 1/2. Screaming in his face that they knew he was guilty. That they know what he’d done. That they’d been watching him. What did they think he did? They had gotten the OK from a judge to raid our home and arrest my father as part of a giant country-wide sting into a massive online child pornography ring. My dad was so traumatized by the interrogation that he would wake up in a panic for MONTHS. My dad insisted that they could literally track his time card at work and his phone activity and whatnot. He had proof that all he did was wake up in the morning, go to work all day, and barely spend a few hours with his family before bed. Somehow, he was able to convince him that they were looking for the wrong guy. They took our computers to do further investigation. Come to find out a few weeks later that there was another bust and that our neighbor’s very creepy, reclusive family member had been living in their basement and using OUR unsecured (NEVER LEAVE YOUR NETWORK UNSECURED—we hadn’t realized it was.) WIFI network to download and distribute child porn. Fucking sicko. The saddest part is that there were two small children living on the premises :( What’s insane is that a judge somewhere was able to sign off on a raid on our home and thought these things of my father based on someone else’s disgusting behavior and could’ve easily ruined his life, if not his professional reputation if what had happened was to be made public somehow. Truly terrifying.
I would find it somewhat amusing, as did Michael, obviously. His reaction doesn't seem odd at all to me. Guilty people, in my experience, often react in a far more defensive manner.
Been there, luckily not the police and just some idiots accusing me of stealing, it’s very hard to prove your innocence when it’s your word against many
Love the end of that video man so glad that pure gent got 46k for his troubles shame the officers didn’t get sacked but at least the got demoted ! Class channel This haha shame there’s only 17 vids
@Miguel Ramirez Carloz do made a good example people getting cancel like Depp, even chris hemsworth and cris pratt are getting cancelled, one because he does not like the state of hollywood culture and the other because his faith, like dude wth? I have a muslim friend I did not like the religion but there is no way i would hate them because of it, you see cancel culture are nothing but a yelling at the wrong space but for some reason it hit someone that does not make anything bad at all on the space, one mess up case is like Indie game developer Alec that commit game end over accusation with very little proofs even after his death his family pretending he is guilty because his pass messed up action he pretty much regret which is not even related to the said accusation to him. Just like a wise man said "if you have people said about accusation this and that, give them one question 'is there any proofs? The police record? Anything that is really strong enough?' If not don't trust it "and also "if someone said this is my truth, that person basicaly said even my accusation proven to be false it's still right based on my mind" this is the mindset of cancel culture but a sad but true glimpse quote of no matter how strong the proves if he is guilty or not even if you show it infront of their eyes, some will still not gonna believe it . Sorry for the long and late post.
@SueDenim Ho thanks for commenting it. I didn't knew the term and went to check on it, It was a great read. If it were not for you to say it, maybe I would never know it. So thanks :)
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[not my account] It’s sad being in that position. And sadder once the relief wears off when you realize that they held you in that stupid little room for 30 solid hours and beat the shit out of you because they didn’t really care about finding the right guy. They wanted to close a report in a way easy for the da to deal with.
You fuckers had DNA from the guy the WHOLE time. You could’ve swabbed me the whole time. Actual investigation only needed to take 15 mins. You wanted to put me down for a decade because I was the guy you had, instead of a guy you had to look for still, and you misjudged me as easy to break.
@Vivashvan Bhushan Johnny Depp's situation was a civil litigation matter, not a criminal matter. His job on the Harry Potter film is also a civil matter. The "guilty until proven innocent" standard in criminal matters is not actually the same as in civil matters. If you think Depp has legal recourse over his firing, please explain how. I think it's lame that they fired him, but he did start a lawsuit where in the course of losing that suit, the judge said that the evidence regarding domestic violence were credible. It should be a lesson to all of us to not start fights we can't win.
@Alan Gonzalez really? You think internet does not make people losing their career? What type of camel logic is that. Have you ever hear smear campaign dude?
I’m screaming at my tv right now “please get an attorney right now” guilty or innocent always get an attorney and don’t talk to police without an attorney present. Especially a cop like this who is clearly incompetent and a giant pos. I wouldn’t give this officer a glass of water if he was on fire
Give guy should be a detective or get him a job working as manager in a law firm. That was incredible work on how to maintain your composure and contain your emotions. Brilliant.
AT LEAST he had the ability to verbally defend himself somewhat. Some people are threatened into not doing so. That is why it is imperative that the cameras in cells/interrogation rooms also film head-on the interrogator. Because, the officer can be giving not verbal threats and cues, which the subject has been conditioned to understand beforehand. People just don't understand.
It's so satisfying to hear that all of the officers involved in Michael's case were demoted and suspended without pay. I just wish he'd gotten more than 46k out of the settlement.
Funny enough, without the benefit of handsight, if someone saw this without knowing this dude was already innocent, they could interpret his calm demeanor as that of a criminal.
been there where they lied about video when i said well lets watch so i can prove i was not there, he then claims they did a picture line and i was pulled, so he ignores what i said to tell another lie great. luckily the officer was smart enough to realize i was inocent and he couldn't get me to say or do anything wrong and i knew my rights but was a long 4 hours talking after waiting a hour in the interigation room.
@TIV67 Playz I'm Buddhist LMAO stop trying to indoctrinate people with this stuff in a comment section that has nothing to do with it. Nobody asked, stop trying to convert people, this isn't the 1600s.
I noticed the investigators were punished/demoted and he won a settlement. This was in Canada. In the US, nothing happens to the investigators when they perform this way.
It usually doesn't in Canada either. It's more of a government in general thing. Most people in power never face any consequences for anything they do.
Curious to hear the whole story of the Ontario guy who was falsely accused. How the hell could that have happened? Just because he was in the area, but no one checked the suspect description, or even cared if there was any indication at all that he was connected in any way to the crime.
@Mandy Moo Yup! %100 in this case! NO EXCUSE! Those pigs are SICK! NO probable cause, and flimsy reasonable suspicion...One phone call should have relieved their suspicion...Most OBVIOUS example of "Find a random black dude", I have ever seen!
A similar thing happened with the Zodiac killer. After he killed the cab driver in SF, some witnesses saw the killer flee the car. They described him as a small white man, but the dispatcher told cops it was a large black man. They said it was a “misunderstanding” but I heard the call audio, they very clearly said a white man, Idk how that dispatcher could have possibly gotten “black man” from what the witnesses said.
Suspect is a green man about 2 ft tall with a very long beard and very, very, VERY long toes. I mean the size of em is astounding.
Brings in a 13 ft tall woman who is brighter and whiter than the sun with no hair, so little hair in fact it’s been theorized she has no hair follicles. Not to mention the fact she has no toes.
The number of innocent people sitting in prison right now is astronomical.... thank you for showing us this side of interrogations because this happens every day.
This 'investigator' should never be allowed to investigate crimes ever again. I can't even imagine the thoughts going through these innocent peoples minds, thinking they're going to be convicted of something they never did. Truly terrifying
While I recognize that the investigator might seem quite unsufferable for most of the western audience here, as someone who has lived extensively both in Syria and Egypt that cop is nowhere near the level of dishonesty, corruption and impunity I've unfortunately witnessed. A relative of mine spent a week being tortured for no reason before being freed, and that's after our family was threatened into silence. I have some friends that where forced to bribe officers because they were envious of their cars and threatened to fine them if they didn't pay up. And never ever could we dream of being financially compensated for being unlawfully imprisoned.
Unfortunately, a lot of people in "the West" lack perspective of the not-primarily-English-speaking parts of the world.
While the US Justice has areas, like police conduct/procedure, where it is worse than some other "Western" countries like the UK, in many ways it is still better than a lot of the world.
For example, you can't just literaly bribe your way out of prison for a few hundred thousand USD like you can in some areas of the Middle East and Asia, and probably some parts of Africa as well I'd bet.
At least our officers actually, genuinely try to do justice even if they and their methods are very flawed and problematic and could be much better in many ways.
Micheal kept his composure in a very intelligent way through out the interrogation with that dimwitted cop. Sadly he had to endure that grave engagement...
The gods have answered our prayers 🙏🏼 I haven’t even started the video yet but based off your comment I’m running with my statement 🙏🏼 we’ve been blessed boys
mooltz Ok, so JCS is not one person, but a group of people. So what you’re implying is that the original poster on this thread should’ve said DUDES instead of dude? GMAFB! I’m sure you can figure out the acronym I just spewed. If I’m wrong, so be it.
Your account looks like it belongs in 2012. I thought your breed of teen girl died out years ago. How have you managed to survive for this long? I realize I might sound rude, but I'm not trying to be. I'm not passing any judgment. I am genuinely curious.
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Miles G.2020-10-11 21:32:46 (edited 2020-10-12 19:07:06 )
@Dally H. @Dally H. it was an interesting era to be a tween in. I think it's okay to let people replicate/continue that. (Like to a certain degree. Part of growing is maturing out of obsessions and into interests. And uh, yea some people don't do that when they grow up. But anyways, who can say where the boundary even lies between the two, and also I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a continued interest in past contents or pop culture, as long as it's not making you shrivel up into someone who hates the present or bums people out.) And I'm sure there are new youths who stumble across that period and part of the internet and fall down the rabbit hole anew. Dunno where this person lies!
I know you weren't being hateful or anything!! Just putting in my two cents, as someone who was into all that in its prime. (Haven't checked in with that in a while, don't really know when the prime "ended"?)
Dixon is so much of a quality guy - I feel bad this happened to him. This was an injustice. They didn't have sufficient evidence to hold him and a good attorney probably would have gotten a release. Poor guy
I got picked up in Tullahoma, Tennessee after leaving a liquor store. The lady called the police and said I was the guy who robbed her the week before. Less than five minutes and I'm being swarmed by these schmucks. I just froze and said wtf, they said yep, better cuff him. Asked me a bunch of dumb shit at the police station, never took the cuffs off me. Asked me what I had to say for myself, told them they got the wrong guy, what does that say about you, not long them another detective walks in and says he doesn't fit the description. Asked me to come back the following Friday for a polygraph. I said sure, but that was the only lie I told.
I'm so glad the officers in Micheal's case were punished for their actions. Officers are in a unique position where their fuck ups, laziness, or selfishness can infringe on rights of others. Accountability is paramount for the trust of the public.
@sophiaa what is the point of posting these links on crime analysis videos? If you are thirsty for views this is a really weird way to try to get them no?
@sophiaa You’re self promoting your video? That’s just sad. I don’t know why you feel success getting views by peoples getting baited. No one has interest to your video. There is no success about getting false views.
When detectives are coercing, being manipulative, and threatening to hold them in jail is fucking dead wrong. Although, I can understand some pathological liars that can stay calm, and these detectives are using these tactics. However, I would be so PISSED when I am telling the truth, and they are accusing me that I am a liar to the point that I would get agitated, and they will finally call me dangerous and crazy. That part is scary.
This man is much better than me with patience. I would be calling them every derogative in the book if I was falsely imprisoned. I grew up never being believed and had that same "if you're loud you're guilty" experience growing up i just would not be able to handle that
The first guy is the reason why you should ALWAYS ask for a lawyer before answering any questions, even though you know you are perfectly innocent and don't even know why you've been arrested.
I was once picked out of a photo lineup by a woman who had her purse stolen. I was at the dermatologist that day and when I got home did a few things. Went out to hang out with a few friends a few hours after I got home. I get a call from my mother saying there’s police at the door and they need to speak to me, they wouldn’t tell her what about.
So I walk to my house, they tell me that a lady picked me out of the photo book and they need me to come to the station to do a lineup. I go without a problem because I know I didn’t do it. I get into the interrogation room and after being questioned i wrote a two page statement of what I did and where I was that day.
They do a lineup and you’ll hear knocks on the window if the person picks you (ie 3 knocks if you’re number three, one knock if you’re number one). The detective comes out into the hallway and says “oh fuck”, I heard that and think that’s great news for me because she must have not picked me. He goes back into the room with her and then I hear the knocks.
Just so happens that I knew someone who was arrested in the cell next to the room where the witnesses look at the suspects in the lineup. On the way to central booking he told me that he overheard the detective saying to the lady “it could’ve been him maybe he was wearing a wig”. If I would’ve had a lawyer present then I wouldn’t have had that happen.
After about ten to twelve hours (plus the additional five or six I was in the precinct) in central booking and being the last person in the room out of like forty people, an officer gets me and lets me out the back door. I never found out what happened and why they let me go.
Well honestly, the cop was right. His innocence wasn't up for discussion. And honestly, an interrogation room is not the place to fight for your innocence either. ESPECIALLY if you are innocent.
@Altus Show That actually happened to me once. I think it's just a glitch that happens. You post once and then, for some reason, the comment gets posted twice. Not sure why that happens, but it happened to me on occasion
@Last First My thoughts exactly. If someone in an interrogation room told me my innocence or guilt wasn't in question, my response would be "Neither is your honesty or level of corruption."
This video and the Stephen McDaniel case really shows there are some shit cops out there! It’s kinda frightening because I’ve always trusted the police, but some of this stuff looks bad!
There clearly are some excellent ones though! The guy who interrogated that school shooter was so calm and collected, even knowing what that guy had done. He broke through all his bullshit.
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Stephen Coady2022-03-11 18:58:15 (edited 2022-03-11 18:58:49 )
“I’m saying nothing. I want a lawyer” say nothing else.
Do you have to take into an account that is a 6-foot black man starts to get upset or aggressive with a cop because he's being falsely accused it's usually worse than if he just tries to keep calm so is he really an anomaly or is he just trying to save his life?
Hilarious that the cop has the audacity to state "the truth is paramount" after the guy is utterly BSing nonstop about having the guy on video committing a crime.
Michael’s responses always make me laugh because he is so calm and reasonable in the face of such absurdity. Then he says, “well, thank you, I guess.” He’s so empathetic towards the officer the whole time . I’m so glad he prevailed.
yea makes him seem like a super villain actually, but ig hes just well composed edit - i meant it in a cool way lol, u know like how super villains are always calm and shit
I don't get a super villain feeling at all lol, dude was confident in his innocence and trying his hardest to give the full truth. If anyone sounds like a super villain it's the detective. That guy was trying everything to pin Michael for something he didn't do, just to pad his record.
It’s the cop that should be empathetic towards him though lol, cut straight to the bad cop act without checking out the file.. and this guy is seeking a promotion lol
@Adam Kolar I saw another comment that joked about how he probably couldn’t believe that him and his buddies couldn’t catch up to a short white dude, so he had to pretend they succeeded at capturing someone else to save face. XD
It sounds ridiculous, but at this point I can’t even rule off the possibility...
@FluxShaman That's the thing here, often, when a suspect looks confident, composed, calm, trying to be normal, it means that they actually had time to prepare what they would say, it's why it's hard to believe some people that "did everything". Freaking out and being loudy is easier for everyone, because that's often the opposite of someone trying to escape charges.
issue here is not the interrogation really, but rather why he ended up here, and why they kept going when it became evident he was wrongly accused.
17:11 "Were all demoted and suspended without pay" If only the $46,000 settlement had come directly from the 3 investigating officers' bank accounts instead of the taxpayers pockets. That's justice.
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Tom Rogers2022-04-07 07:57:44 (edited 2022-04-07 08:00:20 )
'Michael' is Michael Dixon and the incident took place in Hamilton, Ontario, back in 2003. It is important to note that the civil court that awarded him damages found that there was no evidence of a racial motivation for what happened. It appears this was a simple mistake by inexperienced and incompetent police officers. It is unclear why Mr Dixon was targeted given that his physical description was so at variance with that reported to police by eye witnesses, though it is worth bearing in mind that sometimes police have to discount eye witness descriptions because of their inherent unreliability. At the beginning of the police interview, the officer can be heard saying (words to the effect): "We don't care about guilt or innocence", which sounds bad, but there was a context to those words. What he meant is that, as far as the police were concerned, they 'knew' he was the culprit. This suggests that there may have been factors that led them to Mr Dixon that have not been reported (albeit he was found to be an innocent man in the end).
"The evidence I have against you is overwhelming" That's funny, considering you arrested a random person off the street that didn't even commit the crime
Feel bad for the dude Accused of burglary and assault. When you’ve gotten your life together, and have worked so damn hard to get your shit together, to be accused and you already know how the law sees you because your previous self. Props to him standing up for himself, and cheers to his exonerations.
@Aya Shayeb Yeah, but you don't get as high charges as the crime you falsely accused someone of. Which would be fair.
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Aya Shayeb2021-07-29 21:05:45 (edited 2021-07-29 21:06:51 )
@Piulin that’s really fucked up , i think they should face the same amount of time the one they accused have or even more , i saw a guy who lost 29 years of his life for a false rape accusation and the woman got away with it
@Temp Temp It benefits the falsely accused, as well as the court system itself.
Currently, the court system is very backed up. Unfortunately, plenty of these are cases where there isn't even sufficient evidence to bring to trial at all. Punishments for false accusations are there to make them think twice (that's the idea anyway, doesn't do any good if not prosecuted).
It benefits the victim because it alleviates some of the fear and frustration around being falsely accused. If the system won't do anything about it, they know they are at the mercy of the next possible accusation.
It benefits society as a whole through both routes.
If it teaches the perjuror that "lying is bad," good, but that's not the primary purpose. As long as perjury is without prosecuted penalty, the system will keep backing up, the victim will still have good reason to fear further accusations, and society as a whole has to have their cases slowed and hindered by these jerks as well as having to fear the same happening to them. In regards to accusations that carry prison sentences, the effect of perjury amounts to kidnapping and worse.
@Andrew sucks in florida you can lie ti the police all day put someone under investigation and after everything admit you lied and not even get a slap on the wrist
@Kenneth Cortez Those grown-ups should have listened to you and spoken calmly , nicely to you so as not to stress you and prevent you from being able to think and talk. Unfortunately, we people are límited and immature sometimes, and make mistakes. I hope you can leave it behind and not let it stick inside you. If you still have resentment and sadness etc, you could think about the situation and people while punching a mattress or pillow, and shouting so that you get your anger out of your body. it has helped other people.And forgive them then if you can. it benefits you .
I feel like the reason he reacted so calmly to the false accusation is due to how careful POC have to be when handling the law. the detective was already sounding hostile with how he said everything, but a lot of times any anger shown from a black person is seen as aggression or intent to attack. it could have been him knowing that his hand brushing against his leg could be fatally misinterpreted.
I'd be pissed if this happened to me. I'd want blood from that detective and a big bag of cash from the police for the emotional distress caused by the lies fabricated by that officer.
"He was awarded $40,XXX and the officers were demoted and suspended without pay" LMAO the fact that people think this is a reasonable punishment for people who put someone in jail for two years is fucking mental holy shit we're an embarrassment.
Henry Smith2021-05-29 01:51:46 (edited 2021-06-02 15:17:25 )
That's not allowed in Canada. Lawyers can't be present when you're being questioned by police. You are allowed to consult an attorney, but that attorney cannot be in the room while you're being questioned.
@Henry Smith really?? That’s INSANE. Do you have to talk to the police? What if you just repeated “I don’t know how to properly answer that question” over and over and over?
@Mosinlogan Yes, it's VERY insane! When someone gets hurt in a police interaction, the police have the right to have a lawyer present when questioned about it. The police feel the need to have a lawyer present when being questioned, but ordinary civilians aren't allowed to when being questioned by the police. How's that for insane?!?
No, you don't have to speak to the police. There's a man who's been a person of interest in his gf's murder for decades and he's never been charged cause he's never agreed to speak to the police. Many believe he's gotten away with murder.
@top The one time I was guilty of something I confessed and walked away. The other three run-ins I've had with the police they arrested me and had me spend the night in jail just on suspicion alone, the whole while you're being booked they treat you like human garbage. Then they drill you with full certainty that they're right. You can give a cop your case all you want, it goes through one ear and right out the other. I had faith in the police just like any other white boy but you learn after just a few interactions that they don't give a fuck about anybody.
No they don’t that have to do a thorough investigation to see if you are innocent. Because if a murderor is proven not guilty when they are it would cause more deaths. And those deaths would be because of the detective.
@Kinetic the childish view is yours. Not all cops are fallen angels in this valley of despair, some of them don't give a s**t about truth and prosecute the hell out of whoever they have in their hands at the moment.
@Kinetic another thing is police like any human being can be biased. It's always best to have a lawyer because whatever you say can be used against you in court.
@Zerø 00 I don't argue with people who think the interactions they've had with cops somehow represent all or even most cops, or that "eventually" all cops turn bad due to their position, I ridicule them for their stupidity.
You say you don't have anything against cops that do their job properly, but I'm going to assume you don't know what that even means so a cop could easily be doing their job properly and you just disagree with it or don't understand.
And I don't need to discredit you bud. You discredit yourself when you pretend cops and civilians are separate. Cops are people that do a job, and that job is helpful and good for society. Get over yourself.
In Canada you have the right to a lawyer as soon as you're arrested, and the police are actually obligated to stop questioning you until you have a lawyer present when you ask...
They may continue asking questions afterwards, but you don't have to answer
From Canadian charter of rights:
Section 10(b) – Right to counsel
Provision
10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention:
to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right;
Related provisions may be found in the following Canadian laws and international instruments that are binding on Canada; section 2(c) of the Canadian Bill of Rights; articles 14(3)(b) and (d) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; and article 37(d) of the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
See also the following international, regional and comparative law instruments that are not legally binding on Canada but include similar provisions: the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America (Bill of Rights); and article 6 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.
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Henry Smith2021-06-02 15:07:55 (edited 2021-06-02 15:11:12 )
@Slickest Rick You have the right to cousel, but that councel may not be present during questioning. They must stay outside of the room.
Police must stop questioning and allow you to consult with counsel, but nothing says the police must allow counsel be present during questioning.
Michael really did get royally shafted by that so called detective. You can tell the cop was after an easy collar, so much so that he didn't even bother to review the evidence! Just imagine if that other investigator hadn't looked into Michael's case, he'd have been sitting in lock up for a lot longer than 3 days. I try and support the police whenever I can because it really is a thankless job but guys like him can make it hard to do that at times. I'm glad Michael sued them and got some decent compensation out it though I think the punishment against the cop should have been harsher than a mere demotion. I hope Michael's job wasn't affected by all that stupidity.
Justin getting 2 years despite being innocent is a complete farce. It goes to show you that at any time someone can accuse you of heinous deeds and on the back of that accusation alone you can end up in prison for years. I hope Justin sued the popo as well because he definitely deserves some remuneration for those years unjustly spent behind bars.
Imagine how confused you'd be if you get off a bus, and then the first thing that happens is two police officers jumping out of an alleyway and arresting you.
Firstly , he was told he was definitely being charged , but then is told that his actions prior to the alleged crime would be looked into . Absolutely disgraceful and amateurish behaviour from a detective who is not fit for the job . How the suspect maintained his cool throughout is not only admirable , but testament to his good character .
Demotion and suspended without payment isn’t enough.
Everybody who was prominently involved in that scenario should be banned from any type of law enforcement and sent to prison for attempting to unlawfully inprison an innocent civilian, at minimal.
Thank god he lived in a developed country with a justice system. Honestly, it’s cheesy to say, but I’ve never been prouder of my country than watching this video.
And feel awful for the other guy who spent TWO YEARS in jail for a crime he DIDNT commit. Like of course it must of been terrible to go through, but everyone here talking like three days in county jail is anywhere near as traumatic as spending two years incarcerated.
@YesNelle That case was different though. The first guy was unlawfully detained because the officer wanted a promotion, ignored the eyewitnesses and proof about his alibi, i.e. that was purely the fault of the police officers that arrested him. The other guy was unjustly arrested because the eyewitness lied to the police, the police had a reason to believe he was guilty (the witness testimony) and the injustice was the fault of the witness. It's terrible for the victim and hopefully he got justice in the form of monetary reimbursement and the lying witness going to prison, but his case isn't an example of police corruption which was the topic of this video
@Exantius E Um what? the topic of this video is how the behaviors of innocent people accused of crimes can vary significantly, and thus using one type of behavior as an indicator of whether or not someone is innocent is a poor method. This video was not made to directly talk about police corruption. This whole channel is dedicated to studying behavior of detectives and those they suspect are guilty.
EDIT: and the injustice IS on the those investigating that crime. The fault lies with the judge and investigators who charged this man with several years in jail based on one eyewitness (who had proven to lie under oath) and without any other evidence.
@Dylan Barrino "What the interrogator deserves" seems to rely heavily on whether his actions were "malice versus incompetence".
1. If he intentionally locked up someone that he knew was innocent, and/or applied pressure for the reasons of wanting to inflict psychological abuse, I would agree that he deserves jail time.
2. If he's just a moron who didn't follow protocol because he was clueless, and terrible at his job, etc. he should be fired. But as long of none of it was intentional, it shouldn't be a crime to be "pants-on-backwards" stupid. Criminalizing ineptitude is a giant can of worms lol.
Given so little information, it's hard for me to be confident about whether it was malice or incompetence. Proving someone's state of mind is very difficult. Prosecutor's struggle to do it when they are making a case and directing evidence specifically focused on determining that. This video isn't focusing on the cop's motives, history, professionalism, etc... just on behavioral analysis of the suspect.
As for the other officers, all I know is that the cops who arrested him should have known the subject's physical description, so that's reasonable evidence that they were acting with malice, but again degree of confidence is commensurate with degree of evidence. Next steps I'd take are looking for their police conduct records, arrest rates/demographics, stopping rates/demographics, population demographics where they patrol, their social media accounts, etc.
@Dylan Barrino if every law enforcment person who unlawfully imprisoned an innocent civilian was put in prison we'd have no one left to actually arrest guilty people!
@FriendlyChannelll I agree with Dylan. I say this because there needs to be severe actions taken when you fail to do your job right in this position. They could have sent an innocent man to prison for YEARS, completely ruining his life all because they failed to actually do their jobs as they have sworn to do.
A loss of your job is not severe in this case. There should be the fear OF losing your job if you imprison an innocent civilian because you CHOSE not to go over the case. THAT IS THE BARE MINIMUM. But he chose to LIE, assume, and accuse someone who literally did nothing. If this were some job like waiting tables yeah loss of job too severe. But this isnt some mundane day to day. It is a VERY dangerous playing field where you have to decide the course of thousands if not millions of OTHER people's LIVES!
jail, prison, rape, beatings, loss of family contact, loss of trust for jobs in the future limiting his options for the rest of his life ruining chances and opportunities for family development, advancement, and even possible death. These aren't even all of the situations the innocent man would have gone through if convicted WITHOUT EVIDENCE!
Loss of job and changes career paths, possibly loses wife if married for doing something so messed up, if he wasn't smart with savings, cant keep up with bills for a little while, kids judging him rightfully so for making such a stupid decision. These are the situations the law enforcer would have gone through.
Difference? One is COMPLETELY INNOCENT, and the other one made a HORRIBLE decision not to do justice by another because he just assumed it was him and didnt give a damn. Another difference? The innocent man didnt deserve any of this while the law enforcer did.
People lose their job for costing their company thousands of dollars, sometimes less. But it's too "extreme" for someone to lose their job over possibly destroying other lives? Right.
"I have a duty to the truth" he says while he lies his ass off. Police folks probably don't care, but this immoral behavior is what turns good people against law enforcement.
The best part of this story was that he got restitution, and those pathetic excuses for cops were suspended, without pay! They should've been relieved of duty, permanently...
So glad he got $46,000 for a 3 day jail. I'm not saying it's ok, but the guy triumphs in the end. And the demotion of the detectives was a big win. Great video.👍
They dont even hear that.. they dont care at all.. you and me find this important but cops dont... they just see a guilty person and want a confession..
That means nothing. You should watch the interrogations of the pedophiles caught in the old To Catch a Predator stings. Almost all of the mask if they should be calling their work the next day to let them know they won't be in. They all expect a little slap on the wrist and to be released that night ,despite driving to a minor's house to have sex with them.
The call wasn't the tell. The fake footage was the tell. We have security footage. Great! Of you. Excellent! Then you know it wasn't me! Commiting the crime. Wait... But if you have footage of me you know I didn't do it. Nope I saw you do it on the footage. But... That doesn't make sense... Are you bluffing me? Notice that he never even denied being on the film, didn't say it was someone else, didn't say the film was a lie, he assumed that the film must be true, and being true it either proved his innocence or did not exist.
@Vidar D haha Oh this is so good. I love your comment. I completely agree with you and that's exactly what happened. So histerical to read it like that. 😂👍
@ANDY VAN KERKHOVE This was the FIRST interview, so they were following a script they use on absolutely everyone they bring in. They follow that script no matter what the suspect says.
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Robert Mercer2020-12-29 06:00:48 (edited 2020-12-29 06:04:24 )
@ANDY VAN KERKHOVE How about stop putting everyone in the collective like the media does with racial identity. I'm sick of lies like this, how the hell am I Scott free then despite all the times they caught me drinking in public? Because I ain't an asshole.
The man in the uniform that's under constant surveillance, I wanted to be one of those guys ironically. Yet you normalize the collective hatred.
@Vidar D In Canada, busses always have cameras on the dashboard pointed back into the bus in case there are crimes being committed. All it would've taken was for them to get the footage from the bus and it would've cleared him immediately, but the guy simply wanted brownie points and getting an innocent black man to confess to a crime he never did for the singular reason he was black.
@Cameron Nesbitt just because they are required to have cameras doesn't mean that the camera actually works. Granted the investigator, who is different from the police on the street, and I believe in Canada different from the interrogator, could have and should have done a better job. However as I understand it to save money the Canadian police often don't even assign an investigator until they tried for a confession. Interestingly enough, from what I am told Canadian interrogators, are allowed to lie and make false promises, further your interview is only admissible in court to be used against you, and you are not allowed to use it in your defense. It seems that there is no benefit whatsoever to talking to them in Canada.
Problem is cops are generally the bottom of the intelligence barrel. Hairstylists have to have more rigorous training, aptitude and test taking than cops. The profession is a joke.
@ANDY VAN KERKHOVE even worse, they use this as a pressure point... talk to us and you can go home so you dont lose your job. alot peops said they did it, because of a promise to be able to go home untill court day
He already knew he was innocent from the start. His job was just to get a confession. The person they were chasing got away, so they had to grab somebody and try to make the charge stick to cover the incompetence. They thought the first person they saw would do. I'm genuinely surprised they got in trouble/demoted for it though, maybe there is some justice in the world.
@김치 as with most things, there is always a pre-established 'not all' -- because we know that not /all/ cops are bad, but the vast majority (and the ones that have the most impact) are. :)
@Ivens Pinheiro Ivens Yeah man. Not to mention the very first investigation they did where they hadn’t teamed up with law enforcement yet so they just... let the guys go after the interview. I can’t even watch that one, knowing they all just skip home free.
My point in the original comment is that you can see how people in very serious trouble think they can talk themselves out of it haha
I think somewhere in the back of his mind, he knew he was going to get out of this because he didn't do anything wrong. So concern about being fired was the real immediate threat lol
"I have tried everything in my power to stay out of this penitentiary." So our system worked for this guy... Hey what system did he get incarcerated in I wanna live in that county just in case
The most important thing to remember is even if you truly have done nothing. If the police want to bring you in to talk, keep your mouth shut and demand to have your lawyer present. Even if the police are acting like you can help them solve a crime, shut up and lawyer up.
I feel like the reason neither of these guys lawyered up right away was because they thought it would make them look guilty. There are so many crime shows that reinforce the idea only the guilty hide behind legal protection, but as we've seen, even the guilty are hesitant to request attorneys.
yeah a man responding to the bluff "we have the incident on video camera" with "great, that's relieving!" should definitely at least have gotten a reaction out of the investigator. but he was so smug & arrogant about Michael's guilt that he didn't even second guess the "suspect" he had in front of him. I can especially only imagine how little he'd have investigated if he were one of the arresting officers AND then the interrogating officer, because no way in HELL he'd have second guessed himself making a mistake.
@L G Literally taken, it's Latin for "somewhere else" - so it's a piece of evidence showing you could not have perpetrated a crime, because you were somewhere else.
@L G Alibi= He can tell exactly where he was and what he was doing before, during and after the time of the crime, and with whom, in case he was not on his own.
@Droomzy Zonk cause it is his job to get an arrest & prossecution & he was the oly suspect. that i the problem with the system. Arrest, prosecution = money = promotion etc. they don't care if your innocent, all they care about it getting a conviction.
if he would’ve acted as the other dude, they would’ve deemed him as an unruly black male and resistant to arrest. it would’ve been a worse outcome for him.
@nutsforstrongbones in some countries, once you've been imprisoned, its illegal to say otherwise even if you were innocent. That alone is enough to cause someone a world of torment. I don't think 46k$ is lucky, its but a mere compensation for future life problems.
@L G an alibi is proof from a person or camera that confirms where the person was and what they were doing. Like if he was in a different area on the phone his phone records would show the person wasn’t near the crime scene. Or if he’s on a camera getting off the bus and not running through the alley
@Droomzy Zonk Fully agree. That clown of an investigator got caught in an undeniable lie, by a suspect! And the way he petulantly doubled down on his stupid bluff after already having been caught out, betrays his immense insecurity. That investigator was the only guilty person in that room at that time, and it's so great that we have cold hard evidence in the form of an ACTUAL video, not a fictional one :D
This isn't so much hindsight, as it is actual experience. By which i mean, the second man has already been through the justice system. I'm sure Jim meant the hindsight to know they're both innocent. But the juxtaposed reactions are entirely due to a difference in personalities and of course the aforementioned prior experience...
never say anything to the cops without a lawyer. You aren’t trained to deal with such situations. They’re trained to get people convicted. You need someone trained to protect your rights. Whether you did anything or not, this remains true.
What you're seeing there is simply two people falsely accused who have totally different personalities. That's why the reactions are different! One who takes absolutely no shit from being falsely accused and gets emotional about it, to the other who takes the shit but calmly rejects it. Both innocent, but with two totally different expressions. That's why you can never judge too quickly, as we are all different. The interrogators have a tough job without a doubt, but obviously they need to be very careful before making hasty judgements.
Personally the moment an officer accused me of something I didn't do, I'd exercise my right to silence. If his mind is already set up, I don't see any point in discussing anything.
a mistake like this is literally unforgiveable, you can't "blunder" around when your putting someone's entire life at risk. Getting demoted should've been the least of his problems.
I mean if a detective makes errors like these he deserves to be fired but I dont see why he should deserve more, I dont see why the detective also has to risk a lot to do his job
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Daniel Kelleher2021-06-03 05:03:59 (edited 2021-06-03 05:04:58 )
@Water Pidez my job involves managing hotel operations. If i make unintentional errors, guests are inconvenienced, or certain codes could be violated like cleanliness or private information disbursement. I would be written up or lose my job depending on the severity and my disciplinary history.
If I make an intentional error, hotel or guest property could be stolen, guest safety can be jeopardized, I could commit reward program fraud, etc. I would lose my job, AND face potential criminal punishment.
PLEASE, do not act like an investigator lying about evidence trying to ruin someone's life is simply making a mistake at a job. This innocent man could've lost his own job, or accidentally said something incriminating leading him to jail or prison, and this douchebag wouldve laughed about it at the water cooler the next day. This is inexcusable, and absolutely criminal in nature, just like if I were to intentionally err at my job jeopardizing someone's safety.
Yeah, working for the police is one job but were you literally have to have superhuman intelligence and moralities. There is absolutely not any room for normal human error Or selfishness or other vices in the slightest in that job.
The instant someone shows that they are biased or let their friends off or make up their minds on anything other than hard evidence they cannot continue to be a police officer.
They arent intentionally trying to cause innocent people problems.... they're trying to trick guilty people into confessing. Thats part of fighting crime.
If youre saying they should only trick guilty ones..... i mean they're not mind readers yeah.
I was legit just saying that I'm already not the forgiving type but I'd damn sure be fighting to make sure everyone who was a part of that investigation was terminated.
Some of these dudes dont give a damn..their job is to close the case, get a admission, or get a conviction.. If proven to have falsified evidence just to close the case that detective deserves to serve just as much time as the wrongly convicted guy... Its only fair.
@Daniel Kelleher im not talking about intentional errors, im talking about what the original commenter said, "blunder", which is not intentional. I do agree if its intentional a detective deserves higher punishment then being fired.
@Water Pidez yeah he should be held accountable still, thats a life wasted, 1 guy gets to slap his woman on the ass and scratch the dogs head, and the other guy is layin on a bunk with no resources to help himself out of a fucked up situation.. Nah. Thats not acceptable.
If someone is convinced of guilt before the interrogation. The detective should be fired immediately. You cannot just assume that someone is guilty because they were on scene.
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Edward Bangs2022-06-26 02:56:38 (edited 2022-06-26 03:03:44 )
Keep in mind — Michael’s arrest occurred on the night of a province wide power outage, most commonly known today as the: ‘Northeast blackout of 2003’ Hamilton’s power was restored on August 16, 2003. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003
Understand that once you've been arrested for something there isn't any question of your being inocent or not guilty. There is no point at which you can persuade the cops of anything other than you did it. You can say you're not guilty a million times and guilty only once. Anything in your favor will be attacked and discredited and anything that looks bad will be strengthened. Regardless of what you say or do or act like it will be twisted into a narrative that shows you as guilty. Don't show emotion and you're guilty of the crime. Show emotion and it's portrayed as to much a and an act. Things that you do that imply innocence will be disregarded or flipped into something off the opposite. Even exercising your right to not answer questions is looked at as negative. In England is worse they even state that if you don't mention something that you might use later in court that it's looked down on.
Donald Garretson2021-03-27 14:56:16 (edited 2021-03-27 14:57:35 )
Yes, there have been a number of innocent people put to death for a crime they did not commit. You also have people imprisoned as a criminal offense because they acted out of fear. The thing about psychology is it is totally subject to the interpreter's perception and views. The fact the guy lied about knowing the girl at first makes it seem like he is guilty, in then jumping to a conclusion conspiracy against him is a sign of deflection because of guilt. Regardless of guilt or innocence, his reactions are solely the fear of going back to jail and he is freaking out about the thought of it. He would act the same way even if he was guilty. The other guy's lack of animation of pleading his innocence with the threat of being put in jail right then could be seen as a resignation to being caught and going to jail for the crime he committed. Physiological profiling is such a hit or miss science that we cannot make a standard test that would be at least 90% accurate to prevent bad cops, bad politicians, bad teachers or any other position from being into a job they could abuse. Though the video starts off with some bs about societal views and the "accuracy" of certain reactions to things, it does show you how wrong the narrator's belief of "reading" people to determine if the are guilty or innocent is.
In the United States there are a fee thousand innocent people serving sentences. People who have been put to death by the state who are innocent are a fee dozen but I'm sure there's much more.
@Donald Garretson Which is the reason I am absolutely and completely opposed to capital punishment. Not that certain crimes aren't deserving of it, but because the legal system is administered by human beings. Human beings are fallible. Any situation with an outcome as final as capital punishment cannot be permitted to have any permissible fallibility.
@daarzim I don’t think that’s true. Many interviewed executioners have said they think they’ve executed innocent men based on lack of evidence. I don’t think that would be a common thought if all death sentences were put in place with 100% guarantee
@daarzim There have been many people who were wrongfully convicted and received the death penalty in the US. 20 have been release from death row since 1992.
That's why one should always, ALWAYS, oppose the death penalty. Not because you're afraid a person that's guilty of a heinous crime doesn't get punished, but because you're afraid an innocent person might.
@MaanSelene Tbh, it's just that the system serves certain classes and heavily discriminates against others. And so I don't want anything to do with an evil, oppressive piece of state machinery. Because even advising them has a bad connotation. They then claim they did a fair and broad public consultation but the truth is that is never the driver in any change, but the veneer of legitimacy.
man...just imagine how many people out of the 2 million sub's to this channel used the advice provided to get out of a crime or conviction...laughable.
In the US the rate of innocent people sentenced to death (and executed) is about 4%. Since the death penalty was reinstalled in 1976 about 8000 people have been sentenced to death and about 1600 were executed. About one innocent person per year is executed in the US.
Got that all backwards and Wrong, my friend ! NO ONE has to PROVE INNOCENCE, since there is Presumption of Innocence! The STATE has to PROVE your Guilt !!!!!!!!!
I just noticed after watching the Chris Watts interrogation for the 50th time he's got a little bit of a speech impediment to where on words with an S towards the end of the word it sounds like a duck like Donald Duck
@Sasha Ozerov Criminal Psychology started being applied in the field fairly recently, most probably 1975 so till then i believe yea innocent people died
@Sasha Ozerov I dunno exactly how many. But yes, there have been people wrongly executed. Thats one of the reasons iM anti capital punishment. BUT Im also pro capital punishment too. Capital punishment is the only topic im split 50/50 on.
There are so many Americans brainwashed that it's impossible for an innocent person to be found guilty in our court system. Even lots of judges and cops believe it. We're a fundamentally broken state
Our VP has put many proven innocent people in jail, they made a mural of all the people she wrongly sent to prison into a charactor of her face. But the past doesn't matter I guess until it does?
Joe Rogaine2021-12-03 12:56:03 (edited 2021-12-03 13:00:20 )
The prisons in my country are congested and loaded with remands who have yet to be tried in court, like those jails in Brazil and Mexico. It sickens and angers me that some of them will probably be dead in jail due to subhuman conditions before they even present their case before a judge. While the justice system in the US isn't perfect, at least the country has an efficient judiciary and they have better prison conditions.
This reminds me 10 years back , I got locked up in jail till midnight, when I had a go at the police officer for accusing me doing something wrong. lol
3:15 anomaly my ass. Some of us still got respect for an offical attempying to do his job regardless if one disagrees with the methods both verbaly and physical.
@Houssem Maiza yeah in the US anyway we are too busy worried about other nonsense then consider how well we are doing. Best of luck if you are in a poorer country.
@Houssem Maiza This video shows bad treatment; what you're talking about is cruel and inhumane treatment. Just because the video could be worse doesn't mean that what happened is acceptable.
I'm glad he got paid too, 3 and a half days in prison when he's done nothing wrong is terrifying. He must be traumatised. And he was so lovely throughout the entire thing...
I wonder if people above that officer TOLD him they had the right guy and for him to wrap it up and then took the punishment instead of those higher up
He got 46k for 3 days in jail. They got demoted to a role where they do not have the power to do this. A demotion as well as unpaid suspension definitely effected them financially, as well as put them in a position where they can be fired or demoted easier. Not saying it’s “justice” but at least they definitely had their lives changed in a negative way. The problem is police unions.
@Houssem Maiza this is bad treatment. Doesn’t matter if other countries have worse treatment, I couldn’t give 2 shits, all that means is that this guy and third world countries BOTH have bad treatment. Your point is literally completely, well, pointless
it should be illegal for a detective to lie to a suspect about having hard evidence (i.e. video evidence) against them. Video evidence.. audio.. or whatever would not require a confession from the accused. Its an absolute joke.
Holy shit yeah, I sometimes think about that like "what would happen if this happens," or something. I would never want to be put in jail for something that I didn't do.
@Sour Pickle stop acting like a victim this vid of the black dude is not from the Usa..but the white dude one is from the Usa..so you're tellig me that ...white guy..which is in the vid....was ok for the cop to arrest because... he doesnt look black to me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean...I'm a 5' tall Eritrean woman in a headscarf (not exactly the most intimidating person lol) so I don't really worry about that personally but I get what you mean
Fear drives people insane. Don't let it control your life. Or when you get into a situation your anxiety might make you act in ways that make the situation worse.
Been down that road my dude. I’ve been a punk rocker most of my life. Now that I’m hitting middle age and dress like the squares, Im feeling this white privilege.
@Francois Nel Did you not watch the video? Not everyone has control over his/her social skills, behavior and anxiety. If every person could control himself with perfect poise, the video with the wrongly accused black guy wouldn’t have been made in the first place. Your advice is about as helpful as telling a psychotic patient that he should stop hallucinating.
@adaptiveagile It's just a seed that can be watered if he choses to do so. Fear and dispair is for those without faith and stuck in the darkness. Can't live like that. I am personally familiar with anxiety also.
@workingstiff19 Nah, he'd rather play the victim and whine about it.
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John Schumer2021-03-03 04:57:44 (edited 2021-03-03 04:58:51 )
Not just Blacks bro.... I was at Taco Bell at 3 in the morning. 4 white guys and three Hispanics were pulled out and forced to lineup in the public parking lot. If it wasn't for the eyewitness telling the truth we would have been jailed. They even told us that we all were together which was not true.. Scared shitless and thought for sure going to jail. Also been targeted another 3 times and had my wallet thrown at me and told to "leave my town" by the police officer. That specific officer was arrested for having a hooker walk a line naked, his own dash cam put him in jail. This all happened when I was between 18 and 27... It just about ended after I appeared "old enough". Police oppression exists and it exists mostly for the young.
@RUSTY I dont know why people have this delusional idea that white people are treated differently. More white people get killed by police than black. There are police incidents that happened to white people that are worse than george floyd, Michael brown and Jacob blake combined. What the daniel shaver video dude was on his knees unarmed begging for his life and they shot him several times and killed him. He wasn't resisting or anything. They flat out murdered him. Where was the outrage?
Patrice O'neal had a great bit about 'wrong place at the wrong time'. He said he didn't litter because one day his trash might end up next to a dead white lady and he'd be blamed for it.
@Glitch in the Matrix yes, but this guy don't look low class or talk low class but he dose look black...so your point is irrelevant for this situation...which black people fear to get caught in...we're not on the same page so I dont expect you to understand seeing how you watched the video then made your comment..it's over your head.
@jryde421 over my head? You obviously didn't read any of my other comments on this video. I agree the black gentleman is a strait up square. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. He is soft spoken, seems like a good person to have as a friend. But that is irrelevant to the point I am making. At the end of the day, there I two types of people. There is the black gentleman, who if he had to, he could pay a lawyer. Then there is me and others like me. I couldn't pay a lawyer. So I got no justice. ². ,
@Glitch in the Matrix by "square" you mean formal....but you say you're not trying to mean it in a derogatory manner...you're over your head and can't realize it...
Buddy that happened to me, someone got shot and died and I was walking across the after the fact and I got approached and the police claimed I fit the description of the suspect. I my world turned upside down with in seconds. Thanks they were able to trace my foot steps with cctvs but I was locked up for 24 hours.
@sjow so you'd like to be imprisoned for decades for something you didn't do? With no guarantee you'll get justice just for quick money? 💀 different strokes for different folks like some say.
@RUSTY Yeah, but the difference is that the white guy was interrogated because a woman had said that he had done a crime (a lie), whereas the black guy was really at the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not saying it can't happen to any race, but it doesn't work with the examples shown in this video.
I almost got a ticket for my car not speeding I battled it in court and proved my car was different than the car they had 2 red mustang convertibles one was a gt one was a v6 and the video they showed my plate was not the one the cop was suspended temporarily.
say nothing until you've spoken with a lawyer. it could save you.
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k. morningstar2021-03-25 15:49:55 (edited 2021-03-25 16:41:56 )
as socially awkward and weird af a la Damien Echols, being in the wrong place at the wrong time and with my "strange", def. nervous disposition (also introverted!) I fear being dragged into an interrogation
edit: the reaction from the two different innocent men makes perfect sense to me. i know guys like the poor one who was in jail for 2 years, it IS infuriating to be accused when you've been getting your life together and guys like this can't really be expected to have to keep their composure; it's understandably frustrating. Michael, sadly, is trying very, very hard to react intelligently and i do believe race had something to do with it (as it already had, with him being arrested at all is laughable, in a horrible way) as he doesn't want to come off in any way to warrant this going forward, trying to be VERY CALM and trustworthy to this white interviewer. both are sad and i can see myself in both; if police can't read body language or lack empathy properly i fail to see the worth of interviewing, esp. the unethical way it's usually done.
Dude I only go out to get groceries, and since pandemic, i don't even do that. Stationary bike and weights in the home to stay fit. Cops are never wrong in their minds. It hurts to admit being wrong.
1. I would start telling the police how to do their job with infinite repetition. 2. I would state the minimum of facts (even though you are not, repeat NOT supposed to talk to the popo because of the nature of their work). 3. I would probably lose my job and my house.
Practice O.Q.P, only quality people, I don't hang out with bums anymore, too many of my friends went to prison, I started surrounding myself with people who are on a mission for success.
I'm in Australia and I have been stopped and looked at a few times, also had a helicopter spot light me a few times as well lol. Never had them arrest me but it's a bit like "uhhhhhh I'm just walking at night". I was also accused of looking middle eastern after 9/11, I'm white with a big beard............That was by a security guard (twice btw) he stopped after I threatened to call the police next time, dude even checked my sandwich wrapped in al foil I was 17 ffs. I found it funny when he said what is it and I said mate it's a ham sandwich.............
same here, I feel like you can never win either. At home all day? No one to prove where you were. Out and about? Snatched up and no one actually bothers to look to see if you're innocent. A mix of both? They'll use your out and about to say you did it anyway.
@Glitch in the Matrix Thats also very true, because an upperclass black man is much less likely to be falsely arrested or charged than a lowerclass white man. Why? Because the rich guy has got ties, he can hire good lawyers, and is a lot less likely to be considered “prison fodder”.
@Plug Yup, and there’s even numerous recordings (usually via eyewitnesses’ smartphones) of people getting killed by police officers, yet somehow the officers in question are let off scot-free half of the time.
@frootjooce Well shit happens. You can be the healthiest person alive: have a balanced diet, do cardio workouts 5 days a week, and have a flawless genetic background... yet you still might get terminal cancer.
@Spoutinwyze Yeah because to them, they either murdered an innocent citizen, or they successfully defended everyone else. Although the former is true, the latter is much easier to live with.
I'd probably die doing something to escape or prove my innocence before I spent my life in jail for something I didnt do. People like to blame others a little to fast these days, and sure if someone murdered a family member of mine I'd be mad too, but I wouldn't go throwing around names and accusing potentially innocent people of crimes they didnt do. I personally just loathe it when I do something nice for someone and I get treated like I was rude. It makes less than no sense at all. I say this last part because it's the whole "getting treated poorly when you've acted neutral or good" feel to it that connects the 2.
thats why many countries have cctv everywhere. but americans so ignorant claiming it infringe their privacy. until u lock up for something u didnt do or ur family get hurts and u getting everywhere for cctv
@Blazability The accused family gets all the camera coverage on their front lawns. Accusations on the front page, Apologies on the last page in very small letters.
Yeah man. There was a span of a few months were I was getting pulled over weekly by police as I walked home from various places. "You fit the description of xxx." Or something like that. It's terrifying man. I was a teen then but large and being surrounded on all side by cops berating you with questions and yelling at you when you try to answer? That'd make anyone nervous, not just a kid but they call nervousness a sign of guilt.
I was falsely accused of serious felonies. It was all based on a likely bad faith report by someone who actually wanted to destroy me and the severe mismanagement of the whole affair of my military unit made it much, much worse.
That's what happened to me, from flea arrested and taken to the jail house for 2 months, my attorney was eventually able to prove my innocence but dude it was a long and scary ride because I was arrested for indecency with a minor
dont worry, this is 2021. CCTV everywhere, phones everywhere. Trackers in your phones etc. As long as yyoure innocent, more times youll be fine if u remain composed.
@A T no it does not. Color doesnt matter. What does matter is if you are a drug addict. If you use, you are 100% guilty before any evidence is seen. Color doesnt matter
@Lions Roar Studios I was put through the ringer and spent ten years paying a surgeon 10 grand of the 20 grand in restitution. And if I have another 5 grand for the lawyer to go to trial I would have beaten the charges. But I spent my life savings paying the lawyer to get me out of sitting in state penn for 5 years. So I said fuck this. I am not going to work the rest of my life for nothing. And that's not to mention the principals of admitting guilt when I know I was not guilty. That was the hardest part. But I left my home. My country, my family, and everything I have ever known. For a chance at a somewhat normal life. It's been 2 years and I am finally doing well. Learning how to speak Spanish is something I always wanted to do anyway.
A few key things to remember if you're caught in this situation.. Number 1) Always comply. You cannot plead your case from a grave. Number 2) Lawyer. The. Fuck. Up. I don't care if you were there or not.. I don't care if you actually committed the fuckin' crime.. Lawyer. Up.
Cops are generally good people trying to do good things but there's always the off-chance that yes, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and you in fact had nothing to do with whatever happened. However, maybe that cop has either exhausted all of his other options, and is now barreling down in his mind that only you could've caused what happened, and is going to press you until you break or make a mistake, or he is one of those rare exceptions that is just a bad cop. "Look, we could do all the run-around but we've got someone here, already, let's stick it to this dude and call it a day" kind of cop.. Either of these situations, the moment you are pulled in, lawyer your ass up. If they are one of those shittier cops they might try some dirty shit like "Well that just makes ya look guilty!" bullshit, but in reality, it just makes you smart. (This is also illegal btw.) Police have a lot of practice in Verbal Judo.. You'd be surprised what they can do to frustrate you, get ya upset, and make you say some shit that you don't mean, or even shit that you had no part in.. And it's even worse when it's taken out of context & read in a court setting where you get little to no wiggle room to explain yourself or why you said what you did. Get that lawyer the moment they want to speak with you. No matter what. There is no "Just a friendly chat!" with police, unless you're like, shooting the shit in a grocery store checkout line. Lol Ya'll may be smart, and I'm sure ya'll know a lot about a ton of things.. But not on this. Lawyers even lawyer up when they get into shit, so that right there is tellin' ya something. Lol
It happened to me. I was 18. It was year 2003. I was accused of forced robbery with violence of 2 girls. Where I live there were no rights then, they just got me on the road and took me to police station. There they did mental preassure on my and beat me up for 3 days until I made a false confession, because I just couldn't stand that situation anymore. I just wanted it to end and leave that place, even if it meant to go to prison. At the end of 3 days fortunately I was releassed. So happy ending, but I still have some anxiety problems. Excuse my english
The only solution to be outside and avoid getting accused is to wear a suit or clown costume or maybe drag queen too, because not all burglar wear those 🙂👍
@FAMbcz you can’t escape it, sometimes. Like the woman who was raided by the FBI, because facial recognition picked her out of the January 6th riot. Turns out it wasn’t her face, at all. It was another woman that really didn’t even look like her. Yet, she had to deal with all the stress of guilty until proven innocent.
@RUSTY They do it to everybody but it is easier to do with people who aren't wealthy and there are alot of black people in that position. The police knows poor people can't afford top tier lawyers. And since the USA have a privatised prison industry (sadly, yes it is an industry) the police knows they have to deliver a quota of inmates. Finding the actual perpetrator isn't top priority anymore, finding anyone is more important.
This happened to me TODAY. I won't go into the details but I was pulled out of public transport and questioned for something I didn't do, just because I passed through the same area and had the same color of clothes and was in a hurry.
Watch the great movie The Ox Bow incident to really show being in the wrong place at the wrong time...and to really bring home the most basic and important RIGHT in law: Innocent until Proven guilty, in open court, represented by competent, ethical and experienced counsel.
@Sam _ You could just be going to a restaurant or shopping and be in the wrong place while doing so. Then this situation happens or something similar. Odds are it won’t happen.
Should've put the cop in general population for a few days, um you know just until we sort this out. Its not very nice in there but um its just for a few hours. Bet he never does that again
Judging by your pfp, you are of African American descent, and no matter how much people will say about equality, I do fear if you ever ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time that your skin would make you "more incriminating" because that genuinely happens a lot no matter what people say about the police. Not all police, but if you are picked up on wrong place wrong time and they are still pushing, they will be prejudice people no doubt. When the bad are actually at work, it's literally the worst situation imaginable
@Sam _ I dream of being put in jail for something I didn’t do. Give me a lil time so I can become an instant multi millionaire when I sue the state or whatever. I know it sounds dumb but eventually they’ll find out I didn’t do it.
Rightfully so - along with lying cops who are not obliged to tell the truth and who have professional pressures e.g. clear up rates they have to hit to gain personal benefit e.g., promotionm - it's bullshit.
I'm white, but my best friend who was my point man in Afghanistan, and who ran towards gunfire like he was running to a party, hasn't left his house in 5 years from fear of situations exactly like this. And from what he said, if he was white he would be able to enjoy life more. Your fears are 100 percent justified my friend.
@Definitely Not FBI damn dude that’s horrible. I feel this angst all the time as well, it holds me back from living my life. Why is this world so cruel? Is it worth living in it anymore if I am looked at as subhuman?
@etiopisk4life I feel like no matter what, people look for excuses to hate each other. I grew up in a mobile home park, single mom, 30k a year, you know what I'm saying. Because of that every girl I tried to date, their parents said no, I was embarrassed to bring friends over, and my teachers called me "trailer trash", the first time being in 4th grade. When I barely graduated I joined the military immediately after and after I got wounded and my local paper published articles, they all tried acting buddy buddy 🤣. Everything I do in my life is with the express purpose and goal of proving them wrong. It caused a lot of damage, but what you guys deal with is a grosser version of that. Prayers brother.
i went into place 3 minutes after armed robbery happened there and the people who did it left already so when police came they only questioned me... i got out of it after getting questioned though so no problems and they caught the criminal after 2 days
@Cameron Hogg this statement should end at '' i know its irrational '' there is no but after that , you know its irrational , do you not see how stupid this sounds ? its an irrational thing and you know how and why , so why try to reason it in to existence ? dude the SAAAAME shit HAPPENED to the white dude IN THE SME VIDEO why you people caping on the fact the was a bleep ?
happened to me and my sister like 7 years ago, we went to store to get food for nfl sunday and on the way back i suggested we see our old house which is on the way home, as we leave the neighborhood cop pulls us over. we assumed it was cause my sister didnt use a blinker but when we got pulled over 5 more cops and k9 showed up for " throwing bombs at people " ( dry ice in water bottles we later found out ) cops kept trying to get us to admit to it even going as far as to " the report we got had both you and your sisters names exactly " and due to it being a bomb threat they treated literally everything in the car as a bomb, they were trying to decide for a good 30 minutes if they needed to call a bomb squad or w/e cause my moms work badge didnt have her picture or anything on it so they assumed it was a plastic explosive or something ... after about 3 hours on the side of a rode with steep drainage ditch / no shoulder they finally "admit to lying", the persons who was driving the car had a similar name to my sisters and the car they drove was like 1 or 2 years model different than one we were driving... the cops had the balls to say " it was just a simple case of misidentification
@Sarah Roy exactly... And what really irks me about that is, in truth, more "whites" are beaten, shot and killed by police... HISTORICALLY.
Nobody seems to "get" that The Powers That Be have heavily employed Race Baiting as a tactic in the last 2 years or so.
And nobody seems intelligent enough to research the subject on their own, instead listening to and believing what the Talking Heads in the Shill Media tell them.
I agree. That said: I am glad that this innocent "suspect" sued the pants off of this Canadian police department. If it became more common for law enforcement to pay for their mistakes or targeting (including by the guilty officers actually losing their jobs), then I think that they would be less inclined to committing such dishonest and vile tactics. Unfortunately, there would still be people who would hear of this crime and his arrest and believe in his guilt -- despite the fact that he did NOT do it. Many people simply aren't good critical thinkers.
This might sound dumb but if somoene is picked out of a line up wrongly maybe get like 4ft high purple hair? Job done no mistaken identity? (either dumb or genius- you decide)
Yes, dude. Wrong place at the wrong time they will get you! I’ve had actually much worse than that happened to me. In my case, the cops beat the crap out of me. And their witness testified as much when we went to trial. Yes, those arrogant violent cops actually took it to trial and lied on the stand.
move out from States then. this is appealing how they try and imprison innocent people just to close the case. Then they throw you to 3rd country standard prison,
When my son was 18 he walked to school everyday. My son is a very nice, mild mannered reserved young man who never gives off threatening vibes. Hos grades were excellent and he has a strange walk. I always joke with him and tell him he walks like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. Anyway. When I got off work and got home, the cops were walking out of my house. I asked them what was going on and they told me that he fit the description of somebody they were looking for who pistol whipped a man. I was very confused. I'm just glad they didn't go further with their assumptions.
I bet bro, I’m glad that at least some folks in this world 🌎 are starting to understand the difference with black folks, how many innocents sent to prison, a LOT!!! Real talk
It's even scarier for me because I have Asperger's syndrome and anxiety issues, and even with me constantly informing them about this, they might still use my mental breakdown as evidence.
I’m with you. I don’t want anything to happen to my friends and especially my enemies. I don’t need to say the wrong thing to the wrong cop and lost my entire life to prison just because they want a quick conviction.
been there not nice on my 18th bday got picked up for assault and affray was pissed off man had all my brand new cloths taken off me and sent off to the lab what id just got for my bday new fresh kicks new jeans and new jumper didnt get them back for about a month iwas released without charge but still had to spend 40 hours in a cell in a paper suit for nothing
I worry sometimes would happen to my husband if I died accidentally while we were hanging out. Like I fell down the stairs or something with my clumsy ass. I love my husband and I'd turn in my grave about how the justice system always assumes it's the husband. It's a messed up thing to think about, but it does come to my mind.
@Glitch in the Matrix If you’re going to be honest, it happens more often the other way. Cases like Susan Smith (killed her own children and blamed black guys) are so common that it’s become a cliche.
happened to me and my hubby in twin cities in 2018 thankfully they believed us. There were people pretending to be carpet cleaners and breaking into people's houses and we happened to be on a walk right when it was happening lol. not good.
@Jason Joshua Kent ur so sweet , but uh yea i mean idk. its hard , but things happen for a reason. honestly for the first black male , i think it was racism that caused him to look "guilty" even though the descriptions were " a caucasian short male". ( i know this is offtopic but i needed to share that thought)
I always obsess over police collecting my dna at a crime scene when in fact for example my hair was swept by the wind and ended up on their clothes before they died. 😂 😂 😂 😂 ✨ Anxiety ✨
@Matthew H This had nothing to do with government and the officers were all both demoted and suspended without pay and the victim was payed so if it was for racist causes at least things were made right
@El Zong Xina that's not nice to say. And I believe colored people is not ok to say either. Stop being racist. And I know a lot of African Americans that's re good people.
@Nervous Sips they do that to me all the time. I have a habit of copy and paste my comment in the note pad. So I can sing into one of 6 google accounts until one stays up.
@Dozzio Calseeo I have not been in prison but have been in and out of jail. And paying a surgeon 15 grand.i got to 9000 before I said fuck this and left. I will not work the rest of my life to pay a rich man for jewelry I didn't take. I can never go home. My grandmother just died, and I couldn't go to the funeral. And my pap is getting close. And he is my hero. It's really going to fuck with me when I can be there for that. But I won't risk going back there.
definitely. if you ever do find yourself arrested for something you didn't do though, get legal help and don't say anything. the police will tell you it makes you look guilty, but they're just trying to question you without legal help. in no legal system should you be presumed q=guilty for seeking advice from a professional. They will try and get you to grass yourself up, it's how they get convictions like 95% of the time.
I've been there my guy. 2009 I went to buy a coffee at Tim hortons I just moved to edmonton... while buying my coffee a cop came in and started pushing me around saying hey you look like someone we were looking for etc. Etc. I told them I just moved to edm and they kept harassing me. Worst experience ever. Made me lose a ton of respect for police after that.
@Local Man I agree, that's true in any case whether it is business or well this... I am just glad the guy received payment for his inconvenience and I hope it made him whole.
All you can do is be as compliant as possible. I worry about that shit too. I look like a drug dealer and drive an 89 Caprice lmao. Just gotta be compliant and deal with the shit till it's over
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Dan newmen2021-05-28 13:25:41 (edited 2021-05-28 13:27:51 )
never and I mean never talk to cops or FBI because you were accused of something ,even if you were playing golf with Jesus. If your in Chicago call Sam Adams Jr. or Joey the shark Lopez.
it really is a terrifying thing to think about. you could do everything right and have your entire life upended because of dumb luck, and all that youve worked towards gets tossed away. your opportunities for education, jobs and even owning a home or car become severely limited and even if youre exonerated you still have that stigma attached
its really hard, because no one wants an innocent person in jail, but no one wants a guilty person on the loose. if only there was a way to instantly tell if someone was guilty
I would fight tooth and nail and probably not be as nice as that guy was. I got mad respect for him staying so calm. I’m glad he got money for the shitty detective work that was done there
@melloi You don't have to be black. All you need is an old model car, deep suntan or natural pigment, long hair if you're a guy, driving a VW bus, or smiling too much with too many females laughing too much. I've witnessed all of them.
Had a crazy girl prevent me from leaving her house because I didn't want to be in a relationship with her. I was stuck there for 3 hours explaining why and multiple times she tried to throw herself on me and at the end of it, 30 minutes of her blocking the door and preventing me from leaving. Telling me to beat her down "I wll murder you", etc. I went to the bathroom and turned on audio recording on my phone to capture that to protect myself incase she tried to turn it around on me. Luckily nothing came of it. Still have the recording.
@alaynalx you’re right but I was beat almost to death for no reason at all and both the guys that did it got off without so much as a slap on the wrist even though everyone knew they did it. I’d still ten times rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person be convicted. We shouldn’t write off innocent convictions as a necessary consequence.
@jryde421 dude, it’s not just black people. I know several white people who were ABSOLUTELY screwed over. They were accused of crap, and one of them that accused one of the guys I know changed their story MULTIPLE freakin times, but apparently that didn’t matter. Another, they knew for a fact he wasn’t even in the area in which the crime he was accused took place (because they had video of him in a totally different town 23 miles away, and the crime took place 11 minutes after the video showed him in a store. Guess they think he’s Superman, like he’s faster than a speeding bullet.
That one completely and utterly blows my mind how it’s even possible to still convict with proof of innocence like that. I personally know 3 different people (all 3 white guys), and it didn’t add up at ALL. Some police just don’t give a crap, because they’re either too lazy to want to actually investigate things, or they just so badly want to convict someone and close the case that they couldn’t care less who actually did it. Either way, it’s beyond vile and pathetic.
You’ve got every right to be afraid of that. Holy shit has that scenario been a literal nightmare for so many people, the worst part is being completely unable to do anything about it. Fucking. Horrifying.
especially if it "DOESNT" kill you, cause you know if you die its just over you dont exist anymore but if you have to go to jail for something you didnt do thats the true horror.
He was at the right place at the right time, He was compensated $46000 for being illegally detained. he got much more money than the criminals who broke in to the jewellery store legally. When you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.
I've actually run into this a couple times in my life, but thankfully other officers busted the right person while I was still being held and questioned (not yet under arrest). I don't wish for anyone to have to go through how bad that process can get when they are legitimately innocent. I'm just glad that my experiences were so quickly resolved.
No matter what guilty or not you don’t say nothing about nothing if being questioned...let them talk their bull💩 look them in the eye after there done just say you wanna talk to your lawyer most could careless if you did it or not
Good thing is I’m a “irregular person” bc i am Asian American but live in England and I’m also alternative and will always be wearing converse but more commonly platforms so it would be hard to mistake me for someone else lol might still happen tho
GOD is righteous. If you repent of your sins, believe in Jesus, get baptised and recieve the Holy Spirit, you will be on the course of salvation. And if you continue to act in faith for Jesus, you aill receive eternal life
And it can happen to anyone. Any race, criminal history or no criminal history, rich or poor. It doesn't even matter. It is terrifying. We are definitely guilty until proven innocent here.
@Sam _ there are plenty of people doing life for a homicide they didn't commit. Someone just got released after 30 years for a crime they didn't commit
Apparently, if you are black (especially a black male) anyplace is the wrong place and anytime is the wrong time. Car broken down on the side of the road, buying a gun at a store that sells guns...I was surprised when he said this was in Canada. My first thought was Any City, USA.
It should be , we have no idea how many innocent people are sitting in prison just because they have poor communication skills, or simply believed the system would work and in the end the truth would come out. Many detectives are in fact not very smart and in reality don’t care whether you are guilty or not, it is their job to arrest someone for the crime and as long as they do they will sleep soundly . Many promotions in law enforcement are based on collars and even though police will deny it they do have quotas but they call them “productivity goals”🤣. Our officers are trained for a few months given zero essential tools like other countries that have a 2-4 year training . Sadly the longer you do the job the more cynical you become and why I hate seeing 60 year old detectives that should have long since been removed from active duty.
Yes. Like imagine walking in on a dead body just laying somewhere, and the police show up right then and there. That’s whenever I go to the store, I only walk there and walk home, no messing around.
its happend to me i was arrested for criminal mischief 5-20000$ wich is a felony my bond was 5,000$ and the centance carrys 5-10 years prison i did 30 days in county than got charges droped, i was at my own house and accused of this by cops YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP denton county jail Benjamin hall #2 I WAS ALSO ARRESTED AND SEXUALY ASSAULTED BY POLICE AND THAN INTERROGATED FOR 7ROBBERYs claimed there was witnesses all that!! i was innocent and not charged for iether of those crimes FTP
I’m so sorry that you have to go through that worry. It must be terrifying to be a black guy. I’m not sure where you are from but it must be scary. I’m sorry that there is so much injustice in the world against black individuals x lots of love from the U.K. X
When i was 16 i got picked up for car stereo theft just because i was outside in the same apartment complex.... i spent all night and the next day in jail, then when they didn't have any evidence they hit me with a curfew charge since i was under 18 and out after midnight n held me longer until my mom bailed me out, had to go to court twice and do diversion STILL after they knew i was innocent.... scumbags just trying to get me for anything....
@Nervous Sips There is absolutely outrage for that incident. I’ve seen countless comments on forums and Youtube alike referring to it and using it as an example of a heinous police murder. You’re being intentionally disingenuous, and if you’re doing it for free it’s really pathetic.
@RUSTY the white guy was held because someone had specifically accused him of committing the crime. the black guy was held for ultimately mo reason, and a witness had specifically told him that she saw a SHORT, WHITE MALE. they arrest the TALL, BLACK MALE. what does this look like to you? open your eyes.
On the good side, technology, investigative and forensic techniques are constantly improving, so proving guilt or innocence should become easier. On the bad side, inept or corrupt law enforcement is always out there.
Phil Drake2021-11-05 14:31:09 (edited 2021-11-05 14:31:51 )
The best thing to do is to not run if you're spotted in that shitty situation, avoid raising any suspicious. At the end if you're no you're innocent you act that way nothing can happen to you.
I don't like the fact that when you get confession void of evidence, you get promoted faster. This seems to incentivize investigators to bluff innocent people and send them to jail.
I’ve only got a quarter of the way through and already I see what they mean when they say the demeanor of the innocent and guilty are usually vastly different
My first reaction to the interrogation would have probably been, after the detective said he has evidence, I would have said "I know you are lying, because I didnt do anything"
"Getting a confession void of evidence is , in fact, excellent for a investigators career." Oh so you mean that this behaviour is not only encouraged but rewarded with career acceleration. Funny that hey?
My gf’s been false accusing me for cheating, sometimes I can keep my cool but mostly I’m just like Justin. The worst is people tends trust their false judgment by the angry reaction, but this is the only thing I could do to defend myself at least.
I just want to point out that the guy w/beard was obviously from the South and the bald guy was from Canada. The difference in the two cultures could be why their reactions were so different.
@Richard C. Mongler agreed. Or in addition to the demerits and suspension they should personally issue a public apology. Idiots like them give all cops a bad name, they knew exactly what they were doing. Unfortunately, here in the US that kind of punishment is virtually unheard of.
I’m happy that it worked out for him and that he was only kept for 3 days. 3 days too long, but when some people serve years being innocent it isn’t bad. I just would have requested a public shaming of them, to let everyone know they didn’t want the truth at the very least 1 time.
@Joshua its the occupation and beaviour of authorities that gives them a bad name, they themselves made it that way, if it wasnt for the nature of the job, maybe few normal people would get in, not all those bastards that enjoy powertrips, atleast normal police officer is rarity, like big fucking rarity
I literally said fucking good out loud after i heard they were demoted and suspended without pay. What a bunch of incompetent assholes, about to ruin someones life. Glad he got 46k for 3 days of sitting in jail tho, big win. Still believe he should have gotten more for the trauma from this, guy will be scared to leave the house.
@Scry Also, he might have or could have lost his job over this. It was just as well he got that money, and hope the 3 miserable days he went through turned out profitable and his life wasn't all messed up. I imagine he would be scared of the police after this. They should have been fired!
Glad that there were actually consequences this time. I’m quite irritated that bastard said all those sweet words like searching for the truth when he literally did nothing and needed someone else to wipe his ass before an innocent person could go free
What a difficult subject matter to approach. Rarely does it happen that one can say, I'm sure the activities outlined in this paragraph of law here, judge, constitute the illegal action you witnessed or are concerned I committed. That's why that question was posed as a hypothetical to me. Mind bending. It came down to, in what capacity was I acting in, lawyer, officer, agent, judge, or just human being; as a human it's fine, as the others no and this idea of do I need remedial or custodial care today? No. One can feel guilty or feel innocent and be neither. Like all jobs, there are idiots who watch interrogations or police officers and think they know it all. A common law enforcement defence is, "Well they're guilty of something" and it's true if you get dragged into the police station yes there's probably something to it. I've never seen Sad Sally Teapot take a bullet. I'd like to know why the first suspect is taking a bus and standing in an alley during a blackout. My guess is smoking cracked cocaine or meth. As you can see no one cares about it either, and maybe they should. Maybe people should just live in gated communities and have neighborhood watch; that was George Zimmerman's problem. Maybe people should smoke crack or meth and storm the Capitol ending the United States of America. Right, good work everybody!
This is why you always stay silent or if you are in the US invoke your 5th amendment right to silence if wrongly accused. Do not give them any information and speak to a lawyer at the first possible opportunity.
Man watching that ex con lose his composure at the thought of going back in, that was heart breaking. The guy served his time and swore he'd never go back, and did everything right to be a good person, and to STILL get dragged back into that world. I can't imagine how horrible that must have been. Internet hug for that guy.
"The United States has some of the highest recidivism rates in the world. According to the National Institute of Justice, almost 44% of criminals released return before the first year out of prison. In 2005, about 68% of 405,000 released prisoners were arrested for a new crime within three years, and 77% were arrested within five years."
@Kodack Gaming Did you not watch the video lmao this innocent man spent 2 years in jail tell he was sent free for a crime he didn't commit.. Would you feel good to go to jail for 2 years and did nothing
This vid is precisely why it’s important to not speak to police- only to attorneys. The premise that innocent people have nothing to hide & therefore have no reason not to speak with police is erroneous!! If more people regularly exercised their rights, police would be less jaded and suspicious when good people do!
I don't think demotions are enough - people who utterly fail at civil service shouldn't be allowed to continue at all. They should be let go after the first time they hurt someone they're supposed to protect. Keeping them in the career they've proven themselves unworthy of is what's breeding a culture of ineptitude, and hurting more and more people.
The officer talking to Michael: I don’t need to ask if you did it, I have evidence and I know you did Same officer: explain the timeline of your movements. My duty is to the truth and I will investigate this story.
It just scares me to think how many innocent citizens are in jail, being charged with a crime they didn't do. And to know that their are detectives out there falsifying evidence to get people charged with crimes that were never committed. Makes me sick.
remember on life when martin says he’s innocent and the warden says every man here asys that don’t you find that a bit funny ? martin says forgive me if i don’t laugh now this all makes even more sense
The french novel Count of Monte Cristo painted a bleak but ultimately hopeful picture of how one can earn their life back from even the deepest corruptive, selfish influence that uses the justice system's faults for their sins.
200 years later, fuck all has changed, only the hope that occurs for the second half of the novel dwindles ever further.
And when people talk about prison reform and stuff and there's those people in the comments so smug saying "Well don't do crimes then if you don't wanna go" "Just obey the law then" as if there aren't plenty of innocent people in there right now.
@Mick K that's a good point but atleast they actually criticised their government, the criticisms being true or false they atleast do something they were told not to do, but what the original comment was talking about was being 100% innocent and get still ending up in jail in a first world country that has not the best, but at least an honest try at making a justice system, yet still being punished for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
@Truth17John17 no investigators are smart they know who is guilty but imagine the amount of people who were guilty for sexual assault, murder, assault, and rape, millions mate millions. Defence attorneys are disgusting because they defend people who everyone knows who’s guilty.
Fact; A detective Can "Legally" Tell You That He/She Has Evidence That You Committed A Crime! There is no consequences for the police that lie! I Speak From Experience!
@Truth17John17 The average citizen can't imagine, and the number is astronomical! All of this because the cops need to try and justify their paychecks to their superiors!
@tatt4music exactly I've been to prison twice was in jail my teens into my 30s never met one inmate that seemed innocent everyone like their are millions of innocent prisoners 99.9% of all in inmates in the United States are exactly where they need to be
@z brooks man said defence attorneys are disgusting😂it's there job? Everyone is legally entitled to a solicitor, someone's gotta do it? And they make good money, I sense jealousy.
It'll be worse here in the states thanks to the new SC act. Literally taking away a person's right to appeal when given horrid representation. Basically going to jail because you're poor and can't afford anything better than court appointed.
Wow, it'd be nice if the US paid you for damages when you're wrongly incarcerated. I was locked up for 3 months for something I didn't do while I was living at home to take care of my sick mother. When the charges were dropped it was basically "sorry about that, good luck".
I find it really stupid that in many countries there is the thing called "guilty until proven innocent" In germany (where i am) there is the thing called "innocent until proven guilty" and that is how it should be imo
Cop had an English accent, makes you wonder if he'd been in the police in the UK and had to leave for similar behaviour. Lying about evidence to that extent wouldn't be allowed under English law (not since they started recording interviews anyway).
@Legitmlgninja even the ones who investigate the police and sentence them to jail..? You do realize cops still do go to jail whether or not the internet gets on them, right?
I was pulled over just for vibing in my car with a song, almost got arrested but when checking on me, there’s only one Valid reason my (Suspended Driver’s license)
Now I’m on probation but on The date of the court one of the officer’s was making some stupid Jokes about stabbing and some other shit but a civil citizen making jokes like that will be serious probably taken as mental problems
This is why I will never willingly let myself be taken by police when I know I have done nothing wrong. They will know they have been in a fight. And I would love to have the president set that someone resisting what turns out to be an unlawful or false arrest is allowed.
The investigator was clearly faltering/stuttering when he realized the guy didn't do it. Some people care more for achievements/promotions/money than someone else's innocence. It worries me that people like this get do decide people's livelihoods and act self righteous about it. Disgusting.
It was obvious he was not confident when he walked in. He could have been told by a superior to walk in an just confront him as if it was a matter of fact to see if they could get a confession without having to work for evidence. But neither of us heard that conversation, so we don't actually know.
In his mind, he is could have just been doing his job and did not realize the severity of what he was doing until the suspect's innocence showed through.
Not as an excuse of course, but more of a matter of perspective. Understanding perspective and being objective about it will compliment your conclusions much better than assumption bias ever would.
@Sony That's jus as bad as the cop, Sony. You have no facts to back that up, just projecting and that helps no one and nothing. Point it out when you see it for real, don't throw it around willy nilly.
@Sony Umm, bit o semantics there. Why say it at all? "Probably" in no way negates the projection. The statement itself IS the projection. You inserted Race into a discussion where there is absolutely no evidence of it. Seeing racism where there is non only hinders any forward movement in tackling actual, provable racism. P.S. Projecting is a big word ? erm, o.k. we'll have to agree to disagree there. i "Don't know what it means" ? Now who's making assumptions ! Its neither a big nor complicated word, Sony. Anyway, appreciate you being civil. Please don't take it personally, letting cognitive dissonance direct your thoughts. Critical thinking reveals that inciting Race as a factor without evidence is baseless and IS indeed projection. No ill will, Sony. Jus trying to help keep people sane in insane times. Again, seeing racism where there is non helps no one.
@Sony "the suspect was described as a small white man yet the cops arrested a tall, black man." could just as well be them being absolutely uncaring, lazy arseholes (which personal experience informs me a lot of them are). Beware statistics.....they also say a lot of black people commit crimes. Sony, they could well have been racist but i also COULD be an alien ! it turns out i'm (probably) not but am "On the spectrum" and like to only deal in facts. Statistics are also known to not be facts but the manipulation of data that can be skewed which ever way is needed. So, i'll consider stats while pondering a subject but don't acknowledge them as facts. i think we may both agree that the state of the western justice system is fucked. It is corrupt and not nearly fit for purpose anymore and in need of a massive overhaul. This guys ordeal is jus one more example of that and i'm glad he only spent 3 days in jail....we both know it coulda been hella worse.
A police officer needs to do their job in investigating or interrogating with complete disregard, if they can, for what they personally think is the truth of the situation. The judge decides the verdict, not the officer. You've got a very warped view of how the justice system is set up. Police make arrests and collect information/interrogate/question.
@Thomas Carnacki here's the thing, and trust me when I say I am TOTALLY with you on the throwing the term racism around at literally everything- it's a problem!! However, theres a few things to consider' first of all racism is not actually always or even usually a conscious thing (like a conscious belief that someone discriminates based on race or that race makes inferior/superior or that all balck people are criminals or gang or poor etc etc) but rather usually it's an unconscious perception/bias/ or a systemic issue ( the racial profiling of black people as probable dangerous/criminals etc is both a systemic and often unconscious racist idea that people are fed through media movies culture etc, and particularly for police despite that yes there is more crime/police more likely to be killed by black people it doesnt mean police can justifiably just treat and assume every black person is criminal or guilty or w.e, if a police picks up on cues in the environment that they are in danger/someone is guilty etc and its based on reliable cues and facts and part of that includes race in some way that's not necissarily a problem, but when it appears that race is one of the only cues or facts they ate using to justify a stop or arrest or shooting or etc than that's defintley a problem of racial profiking & discrimination discrimination etc[doesnt mean they hate black people/racist in traditional sense!] )....in this case here's the thing, their literal only reason for arresting him was bc he was the first person they saw walked out of the area/alley or whatever where the suspects had supposedly run. That's the only reason! Despite the complete controversy in the original suspect description, his alibis, video footag, etc, just about all evidence exonerates him, yet they didn't even TRY to confirm his involvement with any evidence at all. Now think about this, sure you can try to say well theres no evidence of racism it's not a fact w.e, but I always think about things like this-- I'm a skinny/blond/blue eyes/i'd like to think I'm pretty ok not bad looking/young woman, and I try to think om so what if I was in place of this guy & walked out the same spot at same time he did instead of him, I have an extraordinarily hard time imagining the same scenario possibly plays out, even if it got to the level or initial arrest, I find it impossible that they would continue to neglect checking ANY of the actual facts and evidence of the case. Now if you want to say oh well that's bc you're a female, that may be fair( however white vs black Male vs female is virtually the exact same type or level discrepancy which didnt matter to them) but just think this , ok maybe we say it doesnt count if women even though really the same thing they did, but let's just say it doest count, think about if the same scenario happens but this time say it's a maybe 40 yr old clean cut man in a business suit/ expensive shiny shoes/black brief case/clean hair cut etc and just overall professional looking man walking with his brief case and on business call or w.e, its the same thing, theres no way the police would behave in the same way they treated this suspect, it just would never happen. Therefore you really have to conclude that the police were acting off of the generalized profile of a black person being a likely suspect, in other words their unconcious bias(at the least), remember they have NO evedice other than he's in the area, and if being honest we know that this would not be an acceptable reason (for even arrest or at the least the disregard to check alibi evidence for days) for a good majority of people who might be in the place of him, so the only reason this appears to have happened how it did and the police just accepted his guilt with 0 evidece and neglected to even try to check his claims or any facts whatsoever is pretty evident due to the fact that he's black- their bias kicked in as his guilt is consist with their bias, but that would almost certainly if not certainly wouldnt have happened to a non black male his age... so in this way it really does seem like a fa tor here, but not in the "ong their evil white supremacist" sense, just in the unconscious stereotypes and system type of way which is something society and police need to deal with using more self awareness and mindfulness in situations and reflecting on guns logically not emotionally
it happens .........FAR Far more than you may think ...it happened to ME, ... & it was not pretty , at all.... and NO I never got any money I got far far worse... but trust me, it happens a LOT ................... a ........ Lot the cops are accustomed to seeing .............EVERYTHING......... in terms of "You" & you & you~too ALL of you are guilty... all of you (they do NOT assume "innocence" ... EVER) everyone is GUILTY till proven INNOCENT
Yeah they for sure needed the confession. All of the facts you view as dispositive are just inaccuracies that create hurdles for them. “Yeah...the report does say a white guy did it, but he confessed!”. His innocence really wasn’t in question until it clearly was an interrogator got shook lol. Probably why they didn’t investigate his alibi, too busy looking for who did it
This. You are correct. As in any profession, it is possible to become jaded or worse. Myopic tunnel vision focused on career advancement will have the same effect. The effect is a lack of empathy and dehumanization of others. As soon as this occurs, that person becomes very dangerous. As soon as someone loses empathy and begins viewing people as "less than" them they behave similar to sociopaths. They have built a framework in their mind that makes them feel justified.
If you work in a profession dealing with other human beings and hold power over their lives and begin operating in this manner, you can ruin so many lives.
Never. Lose. Your. Humanity. Always remember the golden rule.
@Thomas Carnacki A cop falsely accused a black man of a crime when there was no evidence he did, and the evidence there was actually pointed to a short white man. There is an extremely long and proven history of police being extremely racist, especially towards black people. To act like the probability of this police officer being racist is the same probability of yourself being an alien is asinine. The probability of that police officer being racist is significant, which is what that comment said. This is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. To say someone saying that officer is PROBABLY racist in a youtube comment, is just as bad as the officer who is falsely accusing and imprisoning someone is so ridiculous that it boggles the mind.
@Michael & @Thomas Carnacki Great points and well stated but you are talking to a brick wall. Once they begin to condemn people on thoughts "not actually always or even usually a conscious thing" they are just not worth your time. You can not reason with the thought police. To continue any further is just a waste of your time and effort.
Did I misunderstand the outcomes here or did the Black Guy spend less than 4 days in jail and was compensated $46,000 but the white guy who was also innocent spent 2 years in jail with no compensation? Just so this is understood before someone starts in about this being systemic racism. Because if this is the case it is a perfect example of the system working great! Also, consider how this man was cooperative and was not in any way roughed up or abused physically.
Unfortunately tons of cops are like this and had happened many many times throughout history. Lie the deathrow exicutioner guard who was told everyone of these inmates is going to lie and tell you they are innocent to their last breath don't believe them. His thought process was the courts world never be wrong and the officers who started them could never be wrong. Well he found out what he knew was wrong and tons of innocent people have died at his hands who had been innocent.
"Innocent until proven guilty" yet taken out your home handcuffed treated like you did it, talked to like you did it and everyone on the outside believes you did it but when you got video proof of someone doing somthing they get a trial lmfao that makes 0 sense
When the officer explained he was gonna be kept locked and he would investigate the alibi immediately I thought "man, what if this officer just don't care enough and will delay this investigation for days..." and... that's exactly what happened lol Good thing the guy knew his rights, earned a pretty nice amount of money and the lazy officers got fucked.
The second dude is a prime example of why you should ALWAYS get a lawyer even if (especially if) you're 100% innocent. I mean the first dude should have as well, but he was calm and collected enough that his fear of going to prison didn't make him up and volunteer incriminating (if irrelevant) information, unlike the second dude who started talking about "The only Candy I know is [...]"
Imagine thinking "tall black guy" is synonymous with "short white guy." Gross negligence, and a demotion is far better than deserved. When you can't even get things correct by simple plain as day details, you have no business in that profession.
@Pabla Valdez They neglected key details regarding the suspect's reported appearance and instead arrested and interrogated someone who did not match said report in any way. If the man interrogated did not act the way he did, he could have been charged with crimes, which is pretty serious if you have any idea of what it means for someone to go to prison.
When you arrested someone who's description is literally the complete opposite from the description the caller gave, I don't think we can just call that negligence there is most definitely something else here
@Grimslade Leviathan I'll chalk it up to a cocktail of bad ideas/thought processes. Prejudice, laziness, negligence, racism. All the same, it's dangerous and he has no business in that position imo and his punishment was too lenient.
@Juan We are talking about this case specifically. There is clearly some sort of underlying bias or prejudice going on here. Why else would they go so far to arrest a man that doesn’t fit the description they were given, instead of just politely interrogating them when they aren’t a threat?
It’s the humiliation from working so hard to get to become a Detective, only to be demoted back to the bottom of the totem poll, that’s the real punishment for the officers. For them, there is no more up, they’re stuck down at the bottom where they belong for this disgusting negligence
@Gizamalukeix that analogy was dumb af and didn't correlate AT all to the situation at hand. It was flat out racism. You're going to have to give a better explanation than that BS you typed to get people to see otherwise
@bruce0767 no. the video says the INTERROGATOR didn't review the tape. so if he would have done his job correctly, he wouldn't have been trying to coerce a confession out of an innocent man. he also wouldn't have been demoted and his department successfully sued.
don't try to draw a parallel as if your case was the same. this man was profiled and jailed under false pretense.
Rob T2022-03-30 15:05:25 (edited 2022-03-30 15:12:29 )
Re: Michael: If the interviewer's lips are moving, he's lying. Guess he thinks his career is worth his soul. "I give you my word." Michael should have pointed out that the interviewer has already discredited himself, and so his word is worth nothing. Lawyer up. "Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you in court of law." Think that over. Shouldn't take long!
Regarding Michael's case, I'm glad he got that payout and that all the officers involved were demoted and suspended without pay, but were they executed?
He would just say the line "We have you on video again."
He's not looking to prove him guilty, he's trying to get an admission of guilt.
Yes, that IS how it actually works, which is why court exists. But before then, they're just trying to get you to damn yourself before you reach that point.
Which is why they are required to either assure that you are there voluntarily (as a witness), or that you have the right to silence (when charged for a crime). Because in both cases, you are informed of methods that you can use to prevent from providing damning evidence against yourself, and in the case of a witness statement, you can just leave, while in the case of being charged of a crime, that you don't have to respond to their provocations, questions, or lies.
In some cases though, if it's a closed shut case that you are innocent, and you do tell the truth, often having that dialogue with the police gives you a stronger position in court when the dominoes fall back on their lap, because then you have more merit and grounds to gain more as compensation, and demerit those that wrongfully charged you. because you can present that you've already provided the aliby and information to them, and they still wrongfully detained you.
What a terrible technique they use, when they think that if they are getting more aggressive to the claims, they are more guilty, it just doesn't make sense nowadays
4:11 I disagree. It seems more logical to assume he was asserting self confidence. Asserting self confidence and asserting dominance is not the same thing.
Lmao reminds me of when I got accused of something I didn’t do in the navy and NCIS investigated me got proven that the guy was lying but I still got separated for no reason
Ngl, watching innocent people being wrongly accused and going through this kind of ordeal, when detectives don’t believe them, is by far more terrifying than watching a heinous criminal confess to gruesome murders.
the first guy was so calm...the robber was much shorter than him different clothes and to put the tin hat on it..was white....he got 46,000 but that's not enough
@SirMichael You mean it’s been happening everywhere in the world since the beginning of time. I’m sure false accusations are not exclusive to America. Or Canada. And obviously not exclusive to black people.
I said what I said. Both of our statements can be true because the statement you said doesn’t make what i said false. America & Canada is included in EVERYWHERE & Nor did i mention its exclusively black people. I just highlighted those things. Sorry not sorry.
@Paul Richards can you blame him? He's black in North America, im assuming random stops and accusations by the police aren't exactly unheard of for him or his family LMAO I mean shit, dispatch calling for a search for a white small guy so they grab a tall black guy instead, basically a dave chappelle skit in real life 💀 "suspect is a black male around 4'0 - 8'0 feet tall and 50-500lbs"
@Chad M no. I stated I highlighted those things, purposely. Yet still coinciding with the statement he made. I didn’t skew shit. He responded to my statement initially.
@Paul Richards You are thinking the $46K was the punishment. No- that was the reward for losing 3 days of fear and lost time - but it comes out of police insurance paid by tax payers. The punishment part was three officers that were demoted and suspended without pay. That is the thing that will scare other officers into checking the facts before doing interrogations - and where could argue it was not enough.
It's definitely terrifying. I went through it. N I'm lucky it didn't turn out much worse. No record nothin wasn't even living in the state at the time I supposedly committed crimes. So many damn holes in the chicks story n was so absurd I duno why anyone believed anything. Nothing but evidence I did NOTHING. cops treated me like I was garbage n already decided I was guilty when anyone with half a fuckin brain would see it was complete lies
I never showed any bias about any comment I’ve made. I said a general statement highlighting certain things. I never discounted the fact this type of shit happens everyday & everywhere to anyone!
The call was for a short white male, yet this guy is a tall black male. I just stated that this is normal for men that look like him.
Everyone who replied to my comment turned it into something else. Good day.
@SirMichael the innocence project? Are you serious? So your opinion is solely based on who a private origination keeps a record of? Every government agency that tracks whites being shot unarmed and blacks being shot unarmed record that per capita, whites get wrongfully shot way more than blacks.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, I just stated a reality. Good day ✌🏾. I just pray for a better world. I’m not here to shit on anybody’s reality. Feel what you feel & live how you live. Be well Dan Thompson.
@SirMichael but you are obviously displaying bias as well considering you only cite sources that agree with you bearing in mind there are dozens of vastly more empirical sources to pull from that discredit you. It seams you forget almost everyone on earth has the ability to verify info in thier hands or pocket in 10 seconds.
And it's happened so much and the people who try to get wrongly convicted people out of prison where they should never been it's so hard to do they don't want to open up that can of worms with everything because of one person was caught messing up the system for people and everybody they've ever convicted they have a chance of having everyone overturned.
@MirroRMonsteR I used them as a point of reference. I never said that was the end all be all of information Dan. Nor did I start mentioning who gets shot more. Never said nothing about who gets arrested more, or none of that shit.
I just stated that that is a reality that they are used too.
What point is trying to be proven at this point?? Lol. Because at this point Dan is arguing about a source I sited. Not the issue at hand lmao. Talking all that “white ppl get shot more than black ppl” shit is not what I’m here for. Once that energy gets displayed I know where it comes from. Same as “ah yeah my one black friend” energy. I’m not here for that shit bro.
@SirMichael I think it is you that doesn't get the point here. The whole point is bias. I'll explain why you are biased, though I agree that you never said it is end all. And by the way, no, factual statistics about how whites are discriminated against more strongly in America than blacks is not even remotely close to saying I have a black friend. You are comparing astronauts to oranges there.
1. You presented only sources that agree with you as a way to validate your position on this thread. Bias.
2. You constantly use straw man arguments to validate your bias. Bias.
3. You trying to specifically use the "I have a black friend" trope to try and further a specific race oriented narrative to me as a way to validate your argument is also bias. Bias.
4. Your obvious confirmation bias is in and of itself, bias. Bias.
@Zach Morgan implying and stating are two different things.. Same goes for exclusively & specifically. The guy in the video is black. That’s where the base of the statement came from.
@SirMichael It's been happening everywhere in the world and it's not about race. Stop trying to desperately twist everything into racism, it's pathetic.
@MirroRMonsteR lol good one Dan. You stated discrimination 1st bro. Comparing. I see how this is going though. Lmao you’re hilarious for the “I’m not white” shit tho.
@SirMichael good one? Other than my skin color, which is OBVIOUSLY not white or even creame, how did you even come to the conclusion that I am white? Also, you alluded to the fact that me being "white" at least in part discredits my opinion and argument. Which in and of itself is racism. Need I link you to webster?
@MirroRMonsteR lmao. I’m the world has turned its head guys. It’s just the way it is these days. Adios buddy. This is a never needing thing and problem that will never get fixed. Just is what it is.
@SirMichael the problem you claim that exists, exists in such a small number, compared to other overlooked social groups, that empirically it is considered a statistical anomaly. In fact, this behavior FACTUALLY happens more in non white countries.
Lastly, someone gave that guys name & accused him of that. The Canadian guy got off a bus and was pinned down by multiple cops even though the description sent out was a completely different race.
@SirMichael same situation. Both had no evidence against them. Btw, you may want to really study the webster definition of racism, because you seam to be ignorant to the fact that your thought process is pretty racist.
same because i already feel horrible when people interrogate me and to be wrongfully convicted is like screaming and not being heard
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Eos Dawn2021-05-28 13:12:26 (edited 2021-05-28 14:14:23 )
@Zach Morgan He didn't imply it, You implied it. If he said he didn't imply it, You implied it. Stop arguing what he's implying. So leave it? What is the point of this? You guys twisted his words and painted a non existent picture. Ffs what is wrong with people.
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Eos Dawn2021-05-28 13:23:27 (edited 2021-05-28 14:17:14 )
Y'all went lengths to paint a picture of things he never said but yet believe about him. Call him biased but can't pick out a quote where he stated something. Rather you jump to conclusions and sugar coat is as him implying something.
@Eos Dawn because he mentioned no one else other than black Canadians and Americans I'm inferring nothing.
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Eos Dawn2021-05-28 13:52:56 (edited 2021-05-28 14:11:27 )
@Zach Morgan we just went over this. People omit or include irrelevant details in conversations all the time. He said he didn't imply it, Stop assuming it. Should be the end of discussion. I wonder why it didn't end.
@Mark they just care about hitting targets. Same with prosecution they don't care if you're innocent they just want to get the most convictions so they an get a pay raise.
@Zach Morgan how in murica if cops see a black man do anything even minor stuff they shoot him straight away. Saw it on the news bout how racist murica is
@Joss Armitage No, he literally admitted to it. Focusing on one portion of something that effects everyone to push a false narrative. He admitted to it.
@bobby ray of the family smith false lol most people want to go to America. Why do you think it has the highest rate of people migrating here? It’s awesome and free and police shootings are rare
@Daniel Johnson it was 100% not enough. If you are bad at your job there are consequences. Typically they are to lose your job. Cops should be held to a much higher standard because if they’re bad their job people lose their lives. In multiple ways. He should’ve lost his job
@SirMichael You twist the reality... thats what he is pointing out man. What you and he said are two different things. Stop trying to defend yourself, jeez.
@Eos Dawn na he totally should have typed a whole paragraph about how nobody should take this the wrong way and how it doesn't only happen to white people. Dont you know thats totally the way people talk and act.
@Aristotle actually not true. Those numbers come from per capita. As I stated. Whites actually get stopped less. I can tell you haven't looked at the data.
@Eos Dawn also, this is what I hate about your side of thinking, you will believe somthing purely because it fits your narrative without doing any meaningful research. @Aristotle
@Chad M I think the point is it can happen to anybody, but in North America is Black men are statistically falsely accused at a higher rate, hence the link they posted :)
@Daniel Johnson Cops get away with so much because the punishment is not severe. Like a demotion or "time off" is their punishment for crimes that civilians would serve years for. They should receive the same punishment as everybody else, but they never do.
@Zstead one I think the point is Black men are statistically more likely to be falsely accused, not that it couldn't happen to anybody, hence why they highlighted it. :)
@LethalWalou Damn bro, they are talking about how shit like this disproportionately effect Black people in the US. Calm down. Its the truth, stop being sensitive.
@Bo Bo If we restrict ourselves to one racial case in one country, sure. But if we're talking about discrimination of false accusations as a whole, it certainly doesn't stop at America or Black men- people get wrongly accused all the time, and even targeted groups aren't identical across all continents.
@SirMichael By saying what I said it seems as if Your trying to push a narrative and you make it seem it only happens to black people this might not be what your trying to do but the wording you use gives that illusion which is why others are correcting you and this not an attack on you as a person so try not to get too upset
poor dude knew that if he didn’t stay calm that they could use it against him cause of the color of his skin, props to him for staying calm no one should have to go through something like this just for the convince of the “justice system”
That is another perfect example of incompetence. I’m sick of incompetent people everywhere, They seem to be at every job but it’s way worse with any government positions. It’s pathetic
Meh, in a way, yes but I'm gonna say no. Yes he's calm facing a crisis, however he doesnt seem quick to fully grasp a situation and form a plan as well as seems very passive. Yeah, i'm gonna say he'd probably get you killed.
@gtapanda 129 i don't know maybe yeah , i'm imagining how annoying and uncomfortable the situation will be , because i was involved into similaire thing
Looks maybe ex military. American accent and a british detective. A power cut and an okay let's go. Sounds interesting. They should make a movie starting with this and everything after. Michael with his 46k for 3 days in jail then wankstaln demoted divorced and deported working security night shifts at toilet paper factory finally robbing a jewelry store himself during a power cut (again) but trapped caught and banged up. The End
@dave h He grasped the situation just fine it seems. The fact that he got a $46,000 payout and the investigators were suspended without pay proves even more that he was just screwed over by malpractice with no way out. Under pressure he was able to reason that the video was a bluff too. I think your point requires an explanation of what he should have done in that situation to prove to you that he was competent. Personally I think very few people would execute flawlessly in such an uncommon spot, and this was exemplary.
@UCknlAvdQW3-eSMvKuoz7V5A yeah this !! , sometimes you just want people to feel the same things as you do especially when its an emergency , and when that doesn't happen it make you lose it even more and aggravate the situation to the worst .
I'd rather have the Hill-Billy. That Michal guy is so calm it made him seem brainless. There is a video he CANNOT be in and Michael practically hums his way to a cell, thanking the cop the whole way.
Without a doubt, that is a smart and calm man, even if I was innocent I would have been a shaking mess realizing this guy was trying to ruin my life without giving me any chance at all. Here's to Michael wherever he is
@BLUE FIRE and you getting pissed off that someone doesn't feel the same way as Younis exactly why you'd be terrible in a crisis. Who has time to think about that shit.
@dave h the fact that seeing someone with an actual brain handling a situation like this makes you go oh he grasps things slowly speaks volumes about you. Acting emotional in these kind of things is not grasping the situation its stuupid as fck.
@dave h I mean wtf is he gonna do if the detective is a complete asshole or suck at his job. Better to stay calm and wether the storm, and let the truth do the talking. And then sue tf out of them
I’m so glad Michael perused a civil case after this BS. I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t want to.
He seems like such a gentle patient man. I like him. Good on him, hope his life has been going well and the $ gave him a leg up in life to get what he wants.
What happens to someone who waits in jail for years for a trial, unable to afford bail, only to be completely exonerated? Are they compensated for this life stolen from them?
@aiai You're right alot of them are crap, but a lawyer is interested in your $$$ only. A Cop is interested in seeing your goto prison. That's how they get promoted. So you'll always have a better chance (even if its small) with a lawyer than without one.
@Mutiny Yeah, it's a yes but mostly a no as well ( because so many Indonesian don't really have the money to hire lawyers, that's just how expensive they are ) when it comes to Indonesia haha... ( The polices in here are worse than US's, they actually make US's polices look competent and decent in comparisson. ). You actually have better chance of not getting into a jail by bribing the polices, it's ironically as expensive ( or even less ) than lawyers but have bigger chance than lawyers. Heck you can even have a "hotel is" prison if you pay those polices executives some nice money.
@nope oh yeah of course the detective that told the 6 foot tall brown man he is guilty and got him 3 days in jail after they said a short white man robbed a jewelry store is definitely really human and deserves to have another chance, of course buddy, its just a mess up, everyone can get confused when dispatch specifically says "short white" and hear tall brown
@Mutiny Youre right but not every Cop is a inhumane psychopath. A lot of them have actually good intentions and save Lifes. The problem is the system, not the humans that serve it. Injustice happens to good Cops and injustice happens to good People. Life isnt fair. It never was and never will be but thats no reason to spread your anger on someone who don't deserve it
Since this is in Canada ( the first case)the detective can ramble away after you have talked to a random lawyer probably on the phone for 15 min and been told to shut up. It's f*** up. It's so many cases, and they are usually guilty, but they have the right to sit there and wear you down. No perfect country, but once you say - I want a lawyer. It's over. Take Michael Rafferty's interrogation as an example. A disgusting case. They grilled him for 3-4 hours while he was requesting a lawyer and had talked to one. On that note. He deserved to be grilled and worn down. But this tactic for someone innocent is horrible. And the case of Rocky Rambo Wei Nam Kam ( yes, his parents actually named him that ) Guilty for double murder in Canada... He sat for 9 hours and pretty much said the whole time "I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY."
Police are bailiffs. A bailiff is a legal overseer, master whose sole job is to collects taxes from you & keep 'order' within their 'jurisdiction'/court/county/precinct & liberals wonder why are founding fathers wanted a militia instead of British Law within America🤔 We perish due to lack of Knowledge, how can we make our society better when we don't even recognize the levels of subjugation we are object to as property to Law that is not the law of THE MOST HIGH. If which comes from Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & their ELOHIM'S law. Maritime law is TMH's law not theirs. This Eon/Age is ending soon, choose your side. YESHUA/YAHAWASHI IS salvation & the only way to ABBA, SHALOM from the tribe of Reuben.⚜
Police are bailiffs. A bailiff is a legal overseer, master whose sole job is to collects taxes from you & keep 'order' within their 'jurisdiction'/court/county/precinct & liberals wonder why are founding fathers wanted a militia instead of British Law within America🤔 We perish due to lack of Knowledge, how can we make our society better when we don't even recognize the levels of subjugation we are object to as property to Law that is not the law of THE MOST HIGH. If which comes from Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & their ELOHIM'S law. Maritime law is TMH's law not theirs. This Eon/Age is ending soon, choose your side. YESHUA/YAHAWASHI IS salvation & the only way to ABBA, SHALOM from the tribe of Reuben.⚜
@Ken M Maybe yeah. I just don't see the point in being so overly sceptical of police (unless your country isn't very stable ofcourse. It depends on where you live)
@Hypetreme same in Montana. the US is like 50 diff countries. i trust my local deputies, their kids play with mine. i know who their parents are and where they live. cities are the issue here tbh, they make bad faceless cops
@Tomatohead FD "I just don't see the point in being so overly sceptical of police" The very video you're commenting on is an excellent reason to be overly sceptical of cops.
@Ken M oh ya I’m the one who hates most police but not all I live in Oklahoma where I have called the cops on a woman physically beating her boyfriends kid In front of multiple people the cops yelled at the little boy yelling him that he’s her child and she’s the mother and he needs to listen to her SHE IS NOT HIS BIOLOGICAL MOTHER
@Kaiden Crawford half the time I don’t even call them anymore where I’m from they don’t give a damn about us or our kids had a lady drive her truck through our kids playground in the middle out apartment complex because a drug deal gone wrong and she tried to run someone over that wasn’t even involved in the situation! Drove her truck across a busy highway behind stores where our secluded apartments were and damn near killed 20 kids and the man she was chasing broke her gas tank leaked diesel all through the park and apartment complex and the cops escorted her out like she was a damn queen !
@Hypetreme I also live in Montana and it is not like that for me - everyone’s experiences are different. Especially considering the man that you’re replying to is white, I can understand why he thinks they’re his friend. Missing and murdered indigenous women is a huge thing here and the police are NOT our friend. It’s all dependent on our individual lives and experiences with cops.
@cubey Good thing I’m not a criminal who stole 14 million USD worth of Bitcoin from Donald Trump last week at approximately 6:30 PM on Monday the 21st of March
@Mutiny uhh... I'm sorry to say but that's not how law enforcement works, you don't get promoted on how many people you get imprisoned. it's not just a game, i myself are going into law, and if you seek a promotion then i can tell you, you are not getting one. if you want better pay than do your job the right way, if you do it by the book the right way that is how you are going to be set apart from the rest. Work to be the best not for the money.
@nope It didn't have the potential or any influence over the life and freedom of another man...that's right we are all human and make mistakes and those in this position need to step back or away when they cannot control their objectivity and do not have substantial and/or conclusive knowledge or evidence ...I also wasn't trained or encouraged by my employer to make catastrophic mistakes that have irreparable damages to other people and then be rewarded for it...
@nope What the hell are you talking about ? Of course you are supposed to be a pro at your job, you do know pro stands for professionnal right ? Do you know what professionnal means ? I mean, if you don't care about your job that's on you, but man your take on this is absolutely insane.
@nope nah bro don’t even come with that bs put yourself in Michael Dixon shoes you’re being arrested for something you didn’t do the dispatch call doesn’t match you’re description at all but he throws that away for no reason while telling him he knows he did it when really Michael just got off the bus they’re not just not you’re friends they’re you’re enemy most of the time and it’s sad that that is true they want a confession and they’ll settle for any confession even if it’s an under pressure half confession that’s not even the truth it’s crazy how people can still be like “they’re just doing they’re jobs uhhhhhhh” meanwhile they’re ignoring procedure and not even reviewing the dispatch call bet if it happened to you you’d change your stance a little idc if they’re human so was the second guy in the video but he went to jail when he didn’t have to which should never happen I don’t care what he got rewarded with after they let him out what if he killed himself in prison the justice system has to be better
@nope Messing up my job won't end up with a innocent person going to jail, or worse: dead. Cops have a responsibility and when they abuse or misuse that responsibility they need to be fucking held accountable for it.
@nope It’s not necessarily about how good cops are as people, it’s about how their job is to make it easy to convict people and innocent people can easily get screwed over. There’s a good video about this called “Don’t talk to the police”, it’s a presentation by a lawyer or law teacher or something like that.
For the record, I’m not anti-cop, but part of their job is to get you convicted and people need to be aware of how innocent people can be absolutely screwed over or the victims of misunderstanding.
like he said, the fact of him being innocent or guilty wasn't relevant here, or even in question. but properly so the officers were demoted and punished. Not disagreeing about getting a lawyer but they are punishing them so this isn't supposed to be ok, and he got 50k for 3 days in jail, its a pretty good deal. It is punishable so that's good at least. But yeah it is cops like this that make cops look bad for sure, and I think a big part of the problem is what he said about them getting promoted if they can get a confession without evidence... kinda feel like that promotes behaviour like this? But hey he wanted a quick promotion? He got demoted and sued instead. Proof that hard work pays off, there is no easy way.
@nope yeah i agree for some part, but as a formerly wrong convicted ones, i could said that the main comment is so much reasonable, yes they are just doing their job, some or few to be more accurate is to serve and protect the people, but most of them is to serve and to protect "their greed" or "their belly button". Also lawyer had bad side too, they had greed too, but at least, they are on your side.
before i am said my next statement, i am imply that i had no ill motive nor ill intention to anyone. Trust but with bare minimum trust that you give to them, always be on guard and alert at their demand, be caustious at every single word you speak with them, and ultimately if you are innocent, avoid any interaction with the police at all cost even if you are asked to their witness, especially if you lived in the developed country. I wish you and all of you who read the best, beware and be careful even with your own lawyer. Trust yourself fully, don't give your trust 100 percentage to the police even your lawyer. i hope the best and luck for all of you out there.
@nope You are absolutely insane. I should give the people who can destroy my life within an hour a chance? Are you serious? Tell that to every person who has been falsely charged, man I would sue the department, city and their mommas. They would pay for the rest of my life. i would plaster their names as liars everywhere I go.
Well that's not true either, just another radical opinion but on the other side of the spectrum. Police is always your friend and police is never your friend is a toxic thing to believe. Life's not that simple. But I do agree with getting a lawyer at any circumstances since you're getting involved with the law.
@nope delete your comment already, you’re making excuses for the policeman and being totally ignorant of the fact that the police is trying to put an innocent man in jail
My point was sometimes shit happens, and based on the video they were penalised so justiced serve. If u think that not justice idk what do u want kill those police? And i was tryna say that not every police do those shit. Why so salty, i wasn't tryna defend the police who put the poor dud in jail i was commenting on the first comment saying every police is ur enemy, i mean thats a poor mindset, they also save people smh. (his comment was deleted so ye u have ur opinion about how government works but remember this aint some action/drama movie where everyone is bad)
@A Texan Kid Police are under no obligation to help you, as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. Texas, as it stands, falls under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
This shit should be illegal, and punishable by law.
This officer straight up lied and is willing to potentially ruin someone's life, just by making shit up. These people are paid to serve and protect, not dominate and control. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
People believe that a corrupt system, is made up by those in it, but no. When you really look at it, it's those who created the system, passing down thier biases, and other's just nodding their head and going along with it. Both the individual, and the system are to be accountable. No matter What the situation is
The Supreme Court has said they are allowed to lie during interviews to get a confession. However I wish they would be punished when they lie in paperwork and on the stand
It's a strategy used to hasten the process and break a suspect. If you're innocent, you're 99.99% of the time going to be fine. You'll eventually get your day in court and a new BMW when they realize the department royally fucked up.
Its just a grey area, you are allowed to have a lawyer. The cop will likely stop lying once your lawyer is there because majority of the time the lawyer will call the cop out on their bluff, especially that video evidence, theyd ask to see it. If the accused asked to see it, they probably wouldnt let them at all costs if its a lie or not, but your lawyer would NEED to have that because it is evidence against you. Never talk to cops alone. Always lawyer up, the entire point of their questioning is to try and tie you up into something whether you did it or not. Theres a weird stereotype that if youre asking for a lawyer it means that youre 'admitting guilt'. Even if your completely innocent, dont try to 'talk your way out' because its not your job, but it is interrogators job to talk you into it.
Thing is, it's very punishable by law. Police officers aren't immune to the law you know. People seem to make such s big deal about this but cops aren't all that powerful one they're found out.
I do agree about this shit. This is the situation im afraid of. Here in phil a lot of people is falsely accused by something they didnt do. And they cant do anything but to accept what lies ahead
@john Blake Not true, if you watch enough videos, when they have enough evidence to convict, they lie and pretend they don't have any to trip up suspects in a lie. If they don't have enough evidence, they lie and say they do. I think the key in general is to bluff and see how the person reacts, make sure they can't tell what the next move will be. But in this case the interrogator was being more than overly manipulative.
They serve and protect like they're supposed to, just not you. Pigs work for the ruling class, to serve their interests and protect their property against poor people.
I believe lying to the suspect should stay legal, as it allow investigators to catch real criminals who don't immediatly ask for an attorney to spit out confessions, but lying about the fact that the suspect is irrefutably guilty shouldn't be legal, an investigator shouldn't have the right to affirm the judgment decision he believes in before an actual judge assign the suspect to be guilty or innocent in court
in my country it is illegal for the police to lie during interrogations etc. i dont think it is in the US
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john Blake2021-05-31 08:20:32 (edited 2021-05-31 08:25:19 )
@DivideByZeromy point was that it's not an unusual thing for police to claim to have evidence they don't have. because a guilty person would show it physically at times, which makes it worth the effort. an innocent person can get angry at the false accusation but most.... would do what the first guy did remain calm in the knowledge that they can't have evidence from a non-existent crime hence... i will most likely be going home if i stay calm and co-operate and that's true with a reasonable cop. people are locked up for ridiculous things and yeah sometimes people are locked up for crimes they didn't commit but that is usually because of how they acted after or during the arrest. if you start throwing punches because you think fighting will show innocence or your just pissed.... that's more likely to happen. i've done time i know these stories... and yeah at a time i hated police. then someone explained to me how without them.... the bottom would be chaos and would it would pretty much souly effect the people doing it hard. rich people will just hire security... live in gated communities.... what people don't seem to understand is that what they do and how they do it. is a necessary evil if you want protection for the weak. and that doesn't justify dirty cop's they should be hanged. but this tactic.. isn't only used by them it's a taught tactic for integration. and should be seen as an objective choice to try make something otherwise very hard to pick... pretty easy.
Sadly it wouldn't happen if people weren't put under so many "work targets" he was just clearly trying to get anyone to take the fall so he can say the case was done and dusted... they didn't even really know what the guy looked like, he was lazy. There probably was a robbery case but he couldn't be bothered to properly investigate, he should have gotten fired not demoted.
On the other hand they catch serial killers, cold-blooded murderers and psychopaths, the latter behave much like the first guy, cause they are lacking any emotions. Not justyfing what this PM did, but most of them are hard working people trying to protect the society from criminals.
@bobocpe No they really don't... in people with mental health issues who killed someone there's an emptiness you feel within them, they don't try to deal with the situation in a calm and collective manner and they certainly don't try a map of their journey and where they were, they'd flat out make up a story and even lie about where they were, this guy in the video you feel he genuinely means no harm to anyone and doesn't want the problems he just wants to go home...
I behave like that guy... Am i lying? Did i do something? no... it's just there's no need to yell, get defensive or combative in any way and the fact that Law Enforcement create a stereotype saying you do... it shows the problems in a lot of things in our world and how you can't take that seriously when you know that's not true and just sounds stupid.
@Randy Trashcan what do you mean 99.99% of innocent people are fine? 4% of just death row inmates have been exonerated since 1970 and those are just the ones we've found. I guarantee you that the number of innocent people in prison is a lot higher than 4% since death row cases have a higher level of scrutiny in court.
Bro.. just shut up 😂 ...they “lie” to support a confession. You’re only mad cuz you know from hindsight that this dude is innocent, but the detective does NOT know that 🤦🏽♂️
@Xray Then they refuse to provide notes and the blue wall goes up. There was 3 cops involved in this fiasco and that reeks of conspiracy. I bet they are back at it in the hammer.
No it should be legal , it’s to get a physiological response by subtle details in order to analyse whether they are innocent or not by playing it back , as u can see it doesn’t work on innocent people and does on guilty and we see this plenty of times
Whats worse is that, the charges get dropped but you lost time and money and its on your or your attorney to release the bond and have it made payable to you .. but no the scumbag attorney will not tell you that and pocket that money as well in the end you are just happy the kidnappers released you. Its a win win and the court and its robber barons win every time simply because we know no better.
Same in my country, also the police are very corrupt. After I reported a crime against me, they got paid by the criminals and would threaten me and my family for months, unless I tell them what they want to hear and for me to say I lied. They refused to accept evidence, would ignore that I wasn't even on the same continent during certain events and would try to catch me in an obvious lie(like "You have been sending threating letters to the other party", I was "Great, where are they, if you have them lets end this and go to court", the police "Look here, it is not like they can keep the letters, it would be better if you just confess for you and your family", I say "No, I'm not admitting some made up lies"... and the threats with physical harm started)
@W33d Senpai Then how are you gonna protect yourself?? Defunding is just a buzzword that's been fed to you Give the people some teeth& reform the system
@W33d Senpai I'm not American, so me no understand But, 2nd amendment allows anyone to get a gun, right?? A criminal record shouldn't change that Isn't that a dangerous restriction???
Yes I believe they should have all evidence they feel they have on the spot so if someone is innocent in question that they don't won't get locked up. If they had video then they need to show the video right then and there to the accused. All evidence has to be revealed in the integrator room before court.
I'm a supporter of police but sketchy investigators & cops frustrate me immensely. There's a reason our laws include the presumption of innocence. I was arrested in my younger years and charged with a felony, the whole thing was sketchy (questionning & all that) but I was lucky the cops were honest, in court they told the prosecution that I was not mirandized when I gave them certain info & combined with a bunch of other aspects it never even went to trial & I was acquitted. All that to say there are good cops out there, almost all of them do that job to help their communities. The crooked and self serving lawmen out there need to be removed their positions of power however, because they will ruin someone's life unjustly to prop themselves up.
the ending made me happy. at least the cop was suspended without pay for what he done.
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The Stranger2022-04-18 13:24:15 (edited 2022-04-18 13:58:10 )
This would be very easily cleared up by checking the cctv on the bus he just got off and if it happened to not be working then a simple statement from the bus driver and his employers where he was just returning home from would have been sufficient.
Never answer questions or participate in an interview NO MATTER WHAT. Even if you’re asked to be a witness, do not speak without consulting a lawyer first. Cops will twist what you say and make you a suspect.
Just because they’re cops doesn’t mean they’re not corrupt or not bad at their job.
In the US - “I invoke the 5th, 4th and all other constitutional rights, I don’t answer questions, get me a lawyer”.
Its more money! Gotta pay those bills. This is why people don't like police. Not that they are bad, but because their basic human needs are dependent on finding guilt.
Not really, It shows you're a good interrogator. A confession doesn't mean you've just proven yourself guilty and don't get a trial, so it's also not life destroying for the person who confessed.
@AnUpsideDownFish The III I get it, but I would assume there are other ways to tell if someone is a good interrogator. I get you can’t convict on a confession alone but it goes a long way. I’m not saying police shouldn’t be allowed to try to get a confession with no evidence but it shouldn’t be a marker for a promotion.
@grantog123 The same is true for lawyers. They know the truth (attorney-client privilege). They legally fight for prosecution or defense regardless of it, and will use every move they can imagine to get a win for their client. The truth doesn't matter. In a different way, this has also become the trend in psychology, where doctors are pressured to diagnose people with something (e.g. personality disorder). There aren't many purely good things in civilization, given that people aren't purely good.
yep it's an industry and an industry that this channel gladly celebrates, he always talks about these tactics with absolutely zero sense of the negative systemic and institutional repercussions, so much for the pursuit of psychology,
That is a poorly worded statement, no doubt. But...as oftentimes time is of the essence in criminal matters, having the ability to secure a confession and move on into the collection of information is extremely important. Too many cop shows on T.V. have made everyone think that the confession is the holy grail, but in reality it is the collection of additional information that is important. A confession of guilt is just the 'breaking' point - usually. Typically once an interrogator can 'break' a suspect, the suspect will then be forthcoming with additional information in an attempt to be cooperative. When it is done properly, it can be viewed as a sign of skill and professionalism. On the flip-side, the same skill will allow an investigator to quickly rule-out potential suspects thus allowing them to get back to their lives without further harassment.
@UhYeahWhateverDude that is a much better way to explain that and I could see that being valuable. Makes me wonder though if some less experienced detectives fall into the trap of once they get that confession, only seeing what they want to see when subsequent evidence starts being discovered. How many cops get tunnel visioned and just try to make the evidence support the confession? Maybe hey do, maybe they don’t but this video should have explained that the way you did. Probably would have been received better.
@Ryan Swaggert a confession is a pretty hard piece of evidence to overcome, so unless you have some pretty compelling evidence that you didn't do it, you aren't likely getting a plea deal and at trial it's going to be very hard to overcome, especially if the case built against you consists of them bringing in everything that supports whatever you said you did on the tape.
Also, if you don't have your own lawyer then there's not going to be much done on your behalf by your attorney because he's going to have 50 other cases like yours on his plate.
It's not mind boggling at all. No one will confess to a crime if they're innocent, unless torture is used. So getting a guilty person to confess without evidence is no small feat, especially if he's not an idiot.
@SausosiosIsrugos people confess to crimes they didn’t commit more often than you think. It’s a bizarre psychological phenomenon but it happens. Sounds stupid to us but when you’re in the hot seat sometimes people do crazy things that make no sense to us observers.
@SausosiosIsrugos that’s actually not true. Sometimes there is so much pressure put on the suspect, they believe that even though they didn’t do it, the cops somehow have evidence that they did and in order to avoid the death penalty or life in prison for a crime they didn’t commit , they take a plea deal where maybe they only get 10 years even though they didn’t do it. These people are petrified when they make this decision and detectives are trained to turn the heat up on these people and they break for no reason. There are a bunch of videos that show people confessing to crimes they didn’t commit. It’s wild.
Many PD's operate on the idea that having a case closed is much better than having it open. At that point it becomes a question of ticking all the boxes so they have good, clean statistics. Getting a confession becomes the equivalent of actually catching the guilty party.
Exactly right, you’d think that the person who put in the hard work to find evidence and connect the dots would be more likely to get a promotion. What a terribly lazy way of progression
Watching this from Scandinavia, I'm absolutely mind blown. A policeman acting as if the case is already concluded and they're just waiting for his confession would have the policeman defending himself in court the next day against his imprisonment
For catching criminals, it's a good thing if you can get them to confess without evidence, but since the chance that the person you're interrogating is innocent is much higher, and the strategy you use risks innocent people getting falsly punished makes it a reaaally terrible business
Friggin A. I'm only a cop show enthusiast and even I know that the investigator just needs to establish a timeline and check out the dude's alibi and he'd be counted out as a suspect.
I've never been arrested but I've seen enough of these videos that if it does happen there will literally be only one word coming out of my mouth: lawyer. Detective: Good morning Me: LAWYER Detective: The reason we're here today... Me: LAWYER Detective: Sir I'm trying to tell you... Me with my fingers in my ears: LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER Nananana LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER
@Titus Orelius There are good cops stop that divisive talk! Sure get a lawyer but please stop calling the the police (as collective) you only spread bad rep to people who dont deserve it.
@Normaali Ihminen no, that's how they operate. It doesn't matter if they are good people or not. It's their job. They will use everything they can against you, lie to you, trick you, betray your trust. Especially if they think you don't know any better. They will try to scare you or threaten you. Make false promises. They are never honest with you at all. They don't want you to know what they know or don't know, they are always fishing to get you to give them information that will be used against you or someone else. Imagine the undercover police that pretend to be peoples friends and gain their trust just to get them locked up and take their life away. Never talk to police. Don't listen to anything they tell you. They are not your friends and they are not a judge. They are only here to send you or someone else to jail and let the lawyers and judges work out who's guilty or innocent. If they can charge you with a crime they will. The more money the state makes, the more money they make. Unless you desperately need help or something crazy like your life is in danger. it can only hurt you or someone else to talk to police. It will never help you by talking. Any lawyer will tell you this. Police are not friends, they are the branch of the judicial system that arrests people and charges them with as many crimes as they can. Also that level of authority does terrible things even to good people. They are above the law for the most part. It gets to almost all of them. They aren't normal people anymore. I've met cops who are actually good people though, even have an uncle and a cousin who are police, but most cops are assholes. If they are good people they arent being good police officers. They are here to charge people with whatever crimes they can, always on the lookout, using everything they can to incriminate people. That's how to be a good cop and get a promotion and make money for themselves and the state
DeuceGenius I know how police Officers work. And they are doin their job as public servants keeping order. Also When I said “there are good cops” I did not meant to say that they are your “friends” stop putting words into my mouth. Seriously who you would call if someone is trying to break in to your home or your place of work (Guns or other forms of self defense are out of the question)?
Of course it’s their job. Their job is to evaluate according to law and other lawfully binding sources if crime has happened and if there is possibility of crime then it goes to “consideration of charges” -phase where prosecutor again evaluate according to law if crime happened. Judge enforce that in favor of prosecutor or in favor of defendant.
Again didnt I say “talk to lawyer”? I said that because It’s important to “access to justice” -principle of western world.
Don’t know 100% Of US criminal code but I’m 99,991% that there are laws about forging criminal evidence.
@Normaali Ihminen we can never know if we get a good or bad cop, so it's always better to make sure to not trust them than have the bad luck of having trusted the wrong person.
My old man taught me from a young age. To ALWAYS have money put away for a good lawyer, regardless. He said there could be a time when you will be accused of something you didn't do. I didn't understand that as a kid, but I do now.
Don't give the detectives ANY statement. They are there exclusively to try and spin your words, break down your actions, and create whatever evidence they can to corroborate a Guilty verdict. They have no problem lying to you about anything and everything if it will help strengthen their narrative. You ever get arrested, they read you your rights and you IMMEDIATELY say "I would like my Lawyer present and have nothing to say at this time."
AKA fuck off, there is no way I'm talking to you clowns! If they brought you in by way of arrest/warrant, that means they are going to follow through with jail booking. Inevitably there is nothing you can say in 99% of these instances to change that.....So many people incriminate themselves for no reason it's absurd, where without that interrogation footage they would have never been convicted.
If you've been arrested and brought in for questioning, they've already assumed you're the criminal they're looking for, and so the only thing they're trying to achieve is an admission of guilt; they are NOT trying to decide whether you're really the criminal or not.
Word of advice.....no cop in the history of ever, has EVER been on your side....they are paid for by the State and the potential prosecution.....its not innocent till proven guilty....its your guilt until your shitty defense can prove your innocence against the weight of built up "evidence" against you.
Titus Orelius I kind of hesitate in saying this, but if you’re getting interrogated, you need to see the interview as un-human. They’re going to attempt to manipulate you mentally, seeing them as inhuman may help you avoid that mental manipulation until you get a lawyer.
Yeah people who are falsely accused never have a lawyer because they think they won't need one since they're innocent and they don't want to seem guilty
@DeuceGenius Man, how profound. I definitely shouldn't have talked to that police officer the other day that helped me get out of the road and out of danger when my car ran out of gas...and a few years ago when I called the cops when my roommate came home extremely intoxicated and then I caught the guy she brought home trying to rape her while she was unconscious (luckily I was there, and nothing bad happened because of my 911 call), and then there was that one time my boyfriend and I were walking to the gas station at night in a crime-ridden part of the city we lived in, and a cop pulled up and gave us a ride instead of leaving us to walk around by ourselves...yeah...all cops bad. 🙄
@Normaali Ihminen but the fact is they have the RIGHT to lie to you, and you don't know which of the police is going to be honest, so safer to distrust them all
@Normaali Ihminen if any cop would try to throw an innocent person in jail, and it’s impossible to tell who, you can’t trust any of them. The good cops should hold their comrades to their same standards.
Man I don't like being in them situations either I was once held and not told why I was held but threatened so many times and then definitely learn after about 3 hours of interrogation and then trying to get me to admit to what I did not even knowing why I was there and I'm not telling me to to find out that there was an undercover cop killed. I'll never forget that situation and what it was like to deal with and how it seems so wrong and how they need to have a different system I have a different system in place besides using threats and lies to try to get you to admit to false accusations.
@Disini Fernando one conviction rates 99% 2 the lawyer does not need to be present 3 The interrogation can take weeks (search for a documentary or article about the Japanese justice system)
@matrixfull You have a right to a lawyer, I'm not familiar enough with US law, but here and in most places I know about the legal system is obligated to provide you with a pro bono lawyer if you can't afford one. This isn't ideal, mostly because they tend to have an impossible workload as these departments tend to be underfunded, but it's still far better than no lawyer.
@Leander van Rees Where is here in your case? In Canada there are no pro bono lawyers. You get legal aid, which pays for a lawyer that actually is invested in representing you to the best of their ability. As the only way to climb the ladder and increase your rate is to be successful.
Still doesn't provide the same for the rich and poor, as legal aid will buy you a less experienced one, but it is better than for example the US system.
And if you are Dutch (your name is), in the Netherlands there is a system in which all registered lawyers have to spend X amount time on cases from the poor. It doesn;t matter if they spend that all on one case or on multiple ones, so if they have any professionalism, they might as well do the best they can, as the cases are still of value for their overall reputation and position/rate.
@matrixfull In the US, an attorney is appointed to you via taxpayer $. It is commonly known hat they are far from the best, but they still have a job and your best bet is to (respectfully) not speak to the police without said attorney present.
Why drop racks on a lawyer when your innocent. Do what this guy did. Tough it up sit in some shitty holding cell until justice is served. If it doesn’t get served then you call a laywer. Regardless this guy lives in Hamilton, Ontario all’s he was thinking about was those restitution fee’s
Because some officers just want promotions, some harass you into admitting something u didn’t do, maybe because of own interests or discriminatory reasons. Japan is more so of a homogeneous country, where as the US is not, the US also has higher crime rates which some smaller crimes might be rushed. The later means, simply just gonna have more biases under investigation. The Police are human, they make mistakes too and have their own biases. Even though justice say “innocent until proven guilty”, most of the time it’s “guilty until proven innocent” and because of that it’s just safer to get a lawyer, so you don’t get harassed or say the wrong things during interrogations that can lead up to false imprisonments.
@Dank Harambe Kush Because it can not, I repeat CAN NOT help you but it can certainly hurt you. There is a provision in the law that actually says that it can only incriminate you. For instance, you tell the police officer the every detail of what you did that night and, by some miracle both you and the police officer remember it perfectly and you repeat it to the court and call the police officer as a witness to show that there is no way you could have made up that story because you remembered every detail about it. Prosecutor: "Objection Hearsay". Now say you do that exact same thing but you mess up a few details because it was an adrenaline filled night, you were just arrested after all, the police officer then points out these inconsistencies or perhaps the officer is the one who misremembers certain details, boom case where there was none.
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Mark G2020-12-16 04:26:03 (edited 2020-12-16 04:26:40 )
@Toren Gallagher If they are asking you questions, it means they don't have enough evidence to arrest you, or they want to see what they can divulge from you before you are arrested. Either way, there is no circumstance under which you might benefit from answering questions, especially in a typical traffic stop.. If there are other parties involved in an ongoing scenario, especially if officer or public safety is at risk, you might benefit from from sharing important details that would help resolve these. Assuming it goes to trial, and they actually document your assistance. I wouldn't count on it though..
@Mark G that or their figuring out what to arrest you for
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Mark G2020-12-16 06:27:54 (edited 2020-12-16 06:37:02 )
@Spoder スポーダー In the US it is usually the case that citizens simply don't understand their rights, or how to exercise them, so they voluntarily surrender them out of ignorance of the Law.. I suspect it is similar in Japan.. Of course militarized Police are becoming much more aggressive.. The worse the municipal pension funds dip into insolvency, the worse it will get I imagine. Gotta get thatt moneyy maaan! X ) The higher average petty and violent crime statistics in the US are solely a result of the so called "War on Drugs", which is actually a war on the people. An excuse to militarize the Police force, and turn what used to be simple acts of self destruction, into revenue streams for municipalities, and their Administrative Court system, which results in fewer than 15% jury trials. Meaning, no one can afford the system, so almost every one makes a deal or settles with the prosecution, no trial. It's a massive fraud, and one example of how the US was overthrown by Freemasonic traitors a long time ago.
"There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion. If you expressed it, you would know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid $150 for keeping honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should allow honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, I would be like Othello before twenty-four hours: my occupation would be gone. The man who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street hunting for another job. The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to villify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary. You know this, and I know it; and what foolery to be toasting an "Independent Press"! We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." - John Swinton 1883
And once you get a lawyer....then what? A lawyer isn't going to prove your innocence during an interrogation. You're still going to jail until the court date!
@Legit Qs especially when you are innocent, people think - oh well if I cooperate that will make me look innocent- little do they know that is far from the truth 🤣🤣
@Pedro Lopez Exactly, if they are asking you to do "anything", it means they either have no probable cause to order you to do it, or they are just seeing how consensual you will be to further violations of your rights. Do not consent, do not answer questions, you are under no obligation to do so. Always, always record any interaction on a phone that screen locks, or better yet an app that uploads in real time so a criminal Fascist/Commissar won't have the option of erasing his criminal activity..
The bail system in this country is fucked up. Assuming Guilt and being held against cash bail availability, is unethical. Why we let it continue is beyond me.
Brian Walker2020-12-20 16:12:30 (edited 2020-12-20 16:13:21 )
What many people also don't know, even if you have a lawyer, you don't have to speak to the police ... EVER ! Even if you've been charged with murder, there is no statue that says you must converse with officers of the law.
@FuckOuttaHere if you are in America most states police can not talk to a minor before a phone call or have a lawyer present. A public defender or an attorney will be provided to you free of charge if you can not afford one.
@Legit Qs never talk to the police, there’s countless innocent people in jail because they tried to talk their way out of it. Let your attorney do the talking for you. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law
Problem with that, 70-90% of people need a public defender. Public defenders are only supposed to handle 100-150 cases, most have more than 300. You won’t see one for 3+ months. Even when you do they won’t be prepared and often times evidence that could exonerate the accused is lost.
When police question you, ask if you're under arrest. If they say yes, ask for a lawyer and don't say another word to them (except for asking for water and a toilet break), and do not resist arrest, just don't talk to them. But if they say no, ask them when you'll be free to go and don't say another word to them. Police are there to protect and serve, but that doesn't make them your friends. They hunt criminals, that's their job. In the pursuit of hunting criminals, they don't mind if a civilian gets dragged through the courts for insufficient reasons. They don't seek the truth, they seek convictions.
@L. A so from what I've heard about criminal procedure in japan. If you're accused, you're are almost certainly going to jail. Like greater than 99% chance of being convicted. Even if you have absolutely nothing to do with the case.
The general consensus is because judges don't want to shame to justice system by acquitting anyone. If you acquit someone of a crime, you admit that the justice system failed in some way. Admitting failure is something that is entirely antithetical to japanese culture and customers.
no. 1 is DO NOT GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT SEEING THE WARRANT AND LAWYERING UP (forcing a confession from someone who does not know what they have been summoned about and not having their rights read is the most common way to railroad an innocent). 2 is refuse to say anything unless the lawyer is there (if said lawyer was not present before no 2). 3 is do not touch any object the police brings in the room, lest they 'suddenly find new fingerprint evidence' from the object you touched. it happens more than you'd like to imagine
@Tima doesn't matter what the detective says. What matters is what the jury says. Half the people interrogated on this channel would've got away with it had they not talked to the police. So I'm glad they did, but if you're innocent you shouldn't.
"Never talk to the police; they will lie and trap you. Get a lawyer, a professional liar who will fight for you regardless of what you did." Imagine explaining our criminal justice system to aliens.
Yeah being questioned by police should go like this. "Are you charging me with a crime?" if yes than immediately follow with "I want a lawyer." You also have to be REALLY clear in asserting that you want a LAWYER, the courts have been a bit cheeky in the States allowing terms like "I think I want an attorney." to NOT be a request for a lawyer...
I wish Jim would remake the video where he showed a guy screaming lawyer the second he enters the interrogation room, he got fucked hard casue he had no real implication in the case but his "I won't talk I want a lawyer" mentality got the cops 100% on him and turned him. Into the main suspect, he was indeed the perp by the way. If you have nothing to hide cooperate as much as needed, the second the pigs start to throw shit at you is the second you ask for a lawyer, being helpful and cooperating with the cops helps a lot in court dudes.
@Methro Status Even if your kid was murdered and you saw the suspect leaving your house? You'd wait for a lawyer to show up while your kid's killer is on the loose?
@Legit Qs Yes, even when you’re innocent. Beware of the attorneys assigned by the state. They have such a big workload that they just want to clear their docket, even if that means to trade you in as a pawn and try to convince you to take a plea bargain, even when you’re innocent - I say this from experience. I was wrongfully accused of domestic battery against my douchebag ex, spent the night in jail and my attorney (provided by the state) was convincing me to enter a plea bargain, and how “this was my best option”. I said NO.
I had been documenting my ex’s obsessive, abusive and controlling behavior even before and after that altercation. I took pictures of my bruises of that evening, as they started to set in, texts, videos, etc. I gave her my load of evidence and told her we’d go to trial, if the prosecutor would like to be ridiculed in court for trying to put the victim in prison. But if I hadn’t done all her work for her, and if I hadn’t gotten a clue about legal proceedings, that woman was willing to send me to prison, so she could move on to her next case. GET A REAL LAWYER. Even when you’re innocent.
@nicole o’reilly while it’s a shame that anyone ever idolized that vile excuse for a human, this is no longer the case. He’s supposedly been taken off that pedestal and shamed into a reclusive lifestyle.
The takeaway here is do not talk to the police, under any circumstance, without a lawyer present. There is absolutely no possibility of convincing an officer, who is intent on charging you, of your innocence.
exactly. there are too many cops who no longer have the goal of justice, but more of have the goal of being able to stick a charge to whoever they can.
@MPB Mason I'm sorry, but what is your source of information? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but why is it never considered that it's only the black sheep that are pointed out? Have you never even thought of the possibility that there are more good law enforcement officers than bad ones?
@David Ace Rej Ollsan I’m sorry, but did you even read my comment? I never stated that more cops than not attempt to pin a charge on you. I fully support law enforcement, but as shown in the video, too many cops aren’t even interested in justice, but are more interested in making a quota. Try working on your reading and comprehension skills before putting words in someone else’s mouth👍
There are plenty of law enforcement agents that’d rather pin a charge on an innocent person, rather than publicly admit they couldn’t catch him to save face. That doesn’t mean I’m saying all cops are bad, but there are a lot of bad apples within our country’s law enforcement agencies.
But my source of information was this video, a cop attempted to get a confession, from an innocent person, by use of the lie that there was undeniable evidence that doesn’t even exist.
@MPB Mason You imply that I'm putting words in your mouth, yet you just admitted that you are using a youtube video pointing out bad cops as your source of statistics of good police/bad police. Just because you saw a youtube video about a few bad apples doesn't mean there's "so many" of them that it's now a problem.
@David Ace Rej Ollsan Oh, you know what you’re exactly correct. It’s more probable that this is the only cop who’s ever been guilty of not correct performing his job. There’s probably never been another. That’s sarcasm, just incase it goes right over your head.
My argument never included any statistics. Like I said, try rereading my comment.
But back to what I was saying, the fact that there’s even one cop that does it, means there’s too many. Hope this helps.
But is this not a problem? Is this just completely fine, or is it a problem?
@Javito I'm not justifying anything, this man was unfortunately wronged by a clearly inexperienced officer and didn't deserve two years in a prison. Where did I imply that?
@David Ace Rej Ollsan Would you eat from a jar of jelly beans knowing 1% of them are poisoned? The point is, it doesn't matter if the good cops outnumber the bad ones. Why would you willingly hand over your life to them and trust them to do what you expect them to do? You are entitled to a lawyer who knows how to defend your rights. You don't have to convince cops that you're innocent, you need to convince a jury of your peers. Talking to cops will literally do nothing but harm you.
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@David Ace Rej Ollsan Actually it has nothing to do with an individual cop. If you are arrested they are supposed to assume you are guilty and use anything you say to prove it. That is their job. Then it goes to the DA. That is how it works and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. You are literally told "anything you say will be used against you". Once you are told that, it does not matter how nice or moral a cop is. They must perform the job. That is what they're rewarded fir and doing otherwise would result in demotion. You do not talk except to ask for a lawyer. They are playing their role they are required to, and you must go through the system. I'm not saying this is good or right as it is way to easy to get arrested, and once you are on that road you are in increasing danger of losing your freedom. But once youre rights are read, you're only option is the courts.
@David Ace Rej Ollsan You are putting words in this mouth tho. He never said "most cops", not even "x% of cops". He said "too many". And honestly, he's right. ONE is too many. Who the fuck ever talked statistics? You are the only one here who reads: "Too many people do bad things" as "Most people do bad things". It's embarrasing.
@David Ace Rej Ollsan you're right... I was unnecesarily upset... was having a bad time... but no bias needed for pointing out what I did, or for it to be true.
@Hersy I respect that you admit taking the topic a bit too seriously. I'm not going to lie either, I admit I put words in his mouth without really paying attention what he was trying to say. There is definitely a lot of bad law enforcers out there, but I think they don't get credit for the good things they do.
@MPB Mason part of this, as affirmed time and again by the Supreme Court, is wrong. Officers only have a job to protect those who are “in custody”. An officer can watch a guy who they were actively looking for, who’d killed 3 people already, get on a train, impersonate an officer, attack and stab another person several times and they DO NOT have to protect the guy getting stabbed. We know this cause it happened in New York City. The courts ruled once again that, constitutionally, the police do not have to protect you. There’s a whole video about it on the Cracked Channel.
@ItWasNeverARight what about his constant ignoring of subpoenas? Just that 1 easy evidence based things right quick if ya want. Not to mention his complete lack of a concrete plan for any of part of our country besides yelling crazy slogans. Or his total rule through executive order which has not teeth and gets nothing done. These are all concrete things that happen and are bad. He just isn't good at his job, he should be a radio host, maybe. He sucks at managing anything, the only thing he has gotten done is what, a little bit of wall? Even by his own measures he is a failure, and his measures suck.
@ItWasNeverARight You trying to say Trump is the arbiter of Truth? The guy who downplayed Covid for over a month, LYING TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, 210K+ DEAD; THAT GUY??
How is that even legal for the police to do? Thanks to JimCantSwim videos I'm refusing EVER being interrogated by police in any context. They can talk to my lawyer. And do NOT let them appoint a lawyer for you, get one on your own from the outside.
@nardinit I was surprised he didn't say "I'd like to be able to trust you that the truth is paramount, but it's a bit hard considering you're lying about the video showing me."
MadMrMatter average age of COVID deaths is higher than life expectancy in the US. It’s fairly dangerous for an elderly and sickly subpopulation. People who would die within weeks to a year in its absence.
@watido11 This is how little they care about the truth. A third detective checked his story 3 days after this video, and followed his steps and checked the surveillance around the area proofing his innocence. They didn't want to actually work for the truth, and that got their asses a demotion and a suspension without pay. Props for the honest third detective though 👍
@MadMrMatter Lmao wow triggered much? Trump isn't a paragon of truth. He does seem to get proven right very often. And all the "scandals" turn out to be either way misrepresented (like taxes) or complete fabrications(like Russian collision or him calling soldiers suckers) so my comment was more based on Adam Schiff claiming to have seen evidence of collision when he has zero.
Now the whole "He lied blah blah" that's such a childish oversimplification of the issue it unbelievable. Yes he downplayed the virus. Was that the right move? 🤷♂️ Maybe not. Idk. But to dismiss the concerns of a public panic would be negligence on his part. People were already panic buying stuff and that causes problems. Had he been all Doom and gloom they'd be criticizing him for that.
And blaming Trump for the 210k deaths shows either an ignorance of how our country operators or a bias omission of facts. Trumps just the president. The governors have more to do with this than he does.
In this day and age. In this current climate. It doesn’t work that way. I have every right. I’m the law! I’m giving you a lawful order! Can I pat you down? We got a call. Here’s the deal.
Anything illegal on you? Anything in your car I should know about? Anything in your pockets that will poke me? Anything you’d like to tell me?
This is a sobriety checkpoint! This is a immigration checkpoint! This is a drivers license checkpoint! This is a seatbelt checkpoint! This is a produce checkpoint!
I heard screaming! I heard arguing! I heard noises! I heard voices! I heard whispering!
I smell marijuana! I smell alcohol! I smell meth! I smell crack!
Why are your eyes glassy? Why are your eyes dialated? Why are your eyes pinpoint? Why are your eyes shaking? Why are your eves watery? Why are your eyes bloodshot?
Why are you sweating? Why are you so nervous? Why are you shaking? Why are you so calm?
Why are you breathing so heavy? Why are you breathing so shallow? Why are you breathing so fast? Why are you breathing so slow?
Do you have a weapon? Do you have a gun? Do you have a knife? Do you have a sharp object? Do you have a I.D.? Do you have a warrant? Do you have a felony? Do you have a license?
I’d like to know who I’m dealing with. I’d like to know your name. I’d like to know your intentions. I’d like to know what your doing. I’d like to know what your up to.
Do you have any documents? Do you have any fruit? Do you have any vegetables? Do you have any money?
Where are you coming from? Where are you going?
Don’t tense up on me! Don’t flex up on me! Don’t square up to me! Don’t act tough on me!
You match the description! You match the tell tale signs! You match the demographic!
Are you on probation? Are you sober? Are you on drugs? Are you on medications? Are you under the influence?
How much have you had to drink? What are you hiding?
I’m not searching I’m inspecting! You look suspicious! You’re acting suspicious! You sound suspicious! Why won’t you let us search you? Why are you so uncooperative?
The K-9 hit on your car! The K-9 hit on your person! The K-9 hit on your passenger! The K-9 hit on your rectum!
If you don’t answer my questions you go to jail! If you don’t talk to me you go to jail! If you don’t listen to me you go to jail!
STEP OUT OF THE CAR!!! I DON’T HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY NAME!!! I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT!!! I AM THE LAW!!! I DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU!!! DON’T YOU DARE DISRESPECT ME!!! TURN OFF THAT PHONE!!! PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE HOOD!!! PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!! STOP RESISTING!!! STOP GOING FOR MY GUN!!! TAZER TAZER TAZER!!! SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED!!!
We KNOW you did it! We HAVE evidence! We HAVE a witness! We KNOW you were there! We HAVE you on camera! We HAVE your fingerprints! We can place you at the scene. We can put you in the timeline. We wanna hear your side!
Just confess and you’ll feel better. Just tell us and this can be over with. Just man up and let it out. Just give us your side of the story.
All attorneys do it slow things down. All attorneys do is take your money. All attorneys do is screw your over. All attorneys do is prolong the inevitable.
@Usama Khurshid it works in putting innocent people away, in the EU most cops aren't allowed to lie to get a false confession, it's a pretty barbaric way to police
@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy No they didn't. In early January they said there was "no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission" and five days later compared modes of transmission to SARS and MERS, which is to say its an airborne respiratory virus.
Saying there's no evidence does mean it's not possible, it means they don't know.
@Shawn Seems like a pretty dangerous assertion to make considering they put the lives of millions at stake. If anything it makes trusting them a lot harder.
@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy Seriously? They said there was no evidence, and you call it a dangerous assertion. They had more information five days later, still in early January. There were no known deaths at that point. Now, over 212,000 dead Americans later, there are still people saying it's a democrat hoax, due to Trumps own dangerous assertion.
@sparklefizz I think his response of a relieved 'perfect' when told about the video tape is quite telling. The detective should've picked up on that. A guilty person would've been worried when presented with that.
When the cops say they already have the evidence against you, they are lying. Because if they did, they would not need to keep questioning you or trying to get you to say you did it, they would just prosecute you.
That’s a tactic. If somebody is innocent then of course they’ll still argue it, but somebody whose guilty is more likely to confess if a detective says, “We know you did it” whether or not they even have any proof.
@Usama Khurshid It's because a guilty person would start to question themselves - maybe there was more evidence left behind after, during or before the crime took place and it shows.
@MadMrMatter what does Trump have to do with a pandemic that has less total deaths than the flu??? He can't just force everyone to wear masks especially when Covid 19 isn't even that fatal and more people recover 99% of the time than dying
Dr Drift King99 Uhh, have you checked the stats lately? Over 1 million deaths in less than one year. The flu is not nearly as lethal, neither in absolute nor relative numbers. And where did you get your 99% survival rate figure from? Most estimates place COVID-19 at about 3% mortality rate (so 97% survival rate) overall, and that increases in older people (like Trump) to about 15%! And that’s not taking into account other potential lasting consequences. All this justifies mandatory masks, among other measures, like all countries that have successfully combatted the virus (which, BTW, in comparison with the US, most of them have done better) have done.
@GRBTutorials those estimates are old, the treatments are better now, almost no one dies from COVID now. check the stats. last 30 days. infected and dead. covid isnt the boogieman you think it is
@Bauernade none of it is fair 🤦🏻♀️ that's just like saying that white dude had a slave but "to be fair", the white guys parents died in Auschwitz and the black guy "matched the description" of the white male that killed his parents in Auschwitz.
When I was a teen, I saw a cop on tv said: "NEVER TRUST A COP. They are not your friend. They will Lie to you." Remember your rights: You have the RIGHT to remain SILENT. ANYTHING you SAY can and will be used AGAINST you.
@Jamalyo gugaratee The reason I say that is because I just recently watched The Manson Trials, and the state appointed lawyer given to Charles Manson was literally murdered (by someone else entirely, his body was never found) and Manson got blamed for it despite having nothing to do with it! So long story short, they appointed him a lawyer that just made his charges much, much worse, and then killed the guy. I know that's a wildly different case, but it just made me trust the police less even more. I don't know if I'd trust their appointed lawyers either, but I may be way off here.
@zeranzeran But if you are guilty or have been hard framed you might as well try your luck with the interrogation and hope the cop will voach for you or that you can use it as evidence you didn't commit the crime.
"COPINAL": Cop+criminal: "A cop pretending to follow the law", "A bent cop", "A cop who thinks he is above the law: "One law for them another for the public". "COPINALING": "A criminally minded police officer who is hounding, bothering, pestering, criminalizing, bullying, accusing, abusing and such the innocent, law abiding public and the other police officers (Hyenas) who back him up and are complicit in his copinaling (say nothing and do nothing to stop it)". "COPINAL ACTIVITY": "Hounding law abiding people like a gang of bully boys". "A police officer engaged in unlawful activity against the innocent public".
"COPINAL": Cop+criminal= ("SECUNALS" for ´security guards´) A ´Copinal´ (cop+criminal: ´a bent cop´) is: 1. ´A bent cop who makes up his own laws and rules and is prone to violence when you, the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN shows resistance to his unlawful and unreasonable commands and unlawful demands´. A ´Copinal´ is: 2. ´A criminal police officer with a badge and a gun and no honour´ (A liar and an oath-breaker is not honourable, police are allowed to lie). A ´Copinal´ is: 3. ´A bent police officer, not only bent but one who is also uppity, in other words a lousy servant, a tyrant. A ´Copinal´ is: 4. ´A police officer who is ready to do you the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN violence ´just because he feels like it´. A ´Copinal´ is: 5. A police officer who meddles in YOUR LAWFUL BUSINESS AND LAWFUL DAILY ACTIVITIES (a ´Copinal´ busy-body). A ´Copinal´ is: 6. ´A wive beater (male), a feminist (female) who takes his/her frustration and anger out on the public. He/she knows there are limits to how many times he/she can assault and batter his own wive/partner and his/her kids in a week´s time, so he/she takes his sadism out on the innocent public to get "relief"´. A ´Copinal´ is: 7. ´A cowardly weasel/hyena who hides behind a badge a gun and his buddies and has learned just enough self-defense tactics in the police academy to do harm to the innocent public which he loathes and which he blames for his cowardliness and lack of manhood´.
And "COPINAL" ("bent") can mean ´PSYCHO´, ´UPPITY´, ´TYRANT´, ´CROOKED´, ´SADIST´, ´GASLIGHTER´, ´LIAR´ and much more.
When someone ´phones the police up, the one that gets ´phoned on is A£WAY$ in the wrong and gets harassed by the police and gets his rights trampled on ! It doesn´t matter what the innocent law-abiding civilian say or how much law he knows and tells them, he might as well be talking to a wall, the one that ´phones them up is A£WAY$ right and gets treated with utter courtesy and politeness, the innocent law-abiding civilian gets threatened with arrest and even bodily injury. THE POLICE ARE THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF THE PUBLIC ! They do NOT care or give a sh!t about the law or your rights ! P.S. Police even punish the innocent law-abiding civilian for knowing his rights and for possessing knowledge of the law. Their retaliation against the innocent law-abiding civilian stems mostly from ignorance and stupidity and take note there is a difference between being ignorant and stupid but most police officers are both so you cain´t win with them, might as well be talking to a brick-wall !
“The more of laws and restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The more there is of rules and regulations, the more of thieves and robbers.” -Lao Tzu, "Tao Te Ching" “The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.” -Lao Tzu, "Tao Te Ching"
The Supreme Court in the U.S. ruled that it's not illegal for police and detectives to lie about having evidence in an interrogation. Total bullshit if you ask me.
Good for Michael, he deserves every penny for false arrest. Now, when asked on a job application if he was ever arrested, he will have to say 'yes', plus all the mental aggravation in the future that goes with it.
@Usama Khurshid Its illegal here in germany and people still get falsely convicted. So i dont even want to know how many people are innocent in other countries.
@Dr Drift King99 ofc it has less total deaths than the flu. COVID-19 has been around for about a year now and the flue has been here since like before counting bruh
@Dr Drift King99 yes trump has to do with it because he is literally downplaying it almost like ignoring it of course he’s not gonna be able to get everyone to wear masks but he’s the PRESIDENT of the United States bruh you are acting like he doesn’t have any influence and not only that but this virus is still a virus and is still killing people and the financial impact and emotional impact of it is devastating also.
@ItWasNeverARight i know you must be thinking You're Very Smart and i won't judge that since i don't live in america but i gotta say as an overseas viewer we see trump as a very stupid president
the fact that he's trying so hard just to get his power back by making people resort to violence is very very questionable
@JayMac so he accidentally did one thing right because he indeed is racist so banned China travel before any non racist would have which accidentally turned into the right move
If it's not, it should be illegal for the police to lie and falsely fabricate information, under the guise of getting an admission of guilt. There's so many shitbag officers out there that I've seen conduct themselves just like the guy in this video, very sad this what citizens have to deal with.
And how are they able to keep him in jail for 3 and a half days based on that non evidence?! It’s fucking ridiculous and a complete violation of human rights. Fucking gross.
@Usama Khurshid Yeah, some people can’t read through their bullshit. I mean if a officer is telling you “Your guilty, your going to jail for this.” That’s scary. Weak minded people will trust police and make a false confession.
@Mister No Nonsense Sounds like you're regurgitating what the fake news wants you to believe. In the 70s Joe Biden supported and pushed for segregation in schools because and I quote, "I don't want to create a racial jungle."
He ran for president in the 80s but had to stand down after getting caught plagerizing, something he still does to this day. The man can't even have a coherent conversation without getting hopped up on drugs, which we witnessed in the first presidential debate.
He's been showing symptoms of dementia, his vice president does all the heavy lifting for him, and he's signed more executive orders then any other president. Dictators rule by executive order, not American presidents.
When Joe was vice president, he called Obama "a very clean and articulate African American." Biden is an enigma of himself, he's been known to be extremely racist, you just have to look at it.
Please don't believe everything the media tells you, they're not you're friend. They've turned the American people against each other, and if a civil war starts they'll be the ones to blame.
@Usama Khurshid The thing is, that there are plenty of nations, that do not allow the police to lie, and they do not seem to have lower clearing rates. I would suggest, that the expedient of allowing the police to lie during interrogation, has more to do with the cost/benefit ratio of confession-based plea bargains, than with the necessity of this tactic in ensuring convictions.
The thing is; if you don't have enough evidence to convict, then how can you be sure, that the suspect is, in fact, guilty? And the suggestion that there is incriminating evidence, will be equally terrifying to an innocent, as to a guilty person. In a system that loves to throw big numbers at sentencing, the possibility of a certain, but limited sentence, can be a very compelling option.
@MadMrMatter Let's assume that their numbers are correct, currently 33.4 million people have been confirmed as having had it in the US (that is counting both the truly and false positive results), deaths attributed to it are currently 597K (that's counting everyone who died who tested positive with both real and false positive results, even when they died of gunshot, car accident, murder, suicide, if they tested positive, covid caused it), that means the mortality rate is, according to their numbers, only a .01788 (less than 2%) mortality rate. If we factor in the fearmongering, blatant dishonesty, and political agenda of the mass media and the politicians and government organizations that control it, it's a safe guess that most of those numbers are fabricated. Our only reliable means of collecting data is empirically, you know, seen with your own eyes. Out of the couple thousand people I've interacted with personally since this (rewrote the definition so we could call it a pandemic) "pandemic" started, I've met maybe a dozen or so people who've said they had it, and known 3 people who died supposedly from covid (one heart attack, one suicide, and one had stage 4 lymphoma), all 3 of whom died without any covid symptoms, but tested tested positive post-mortem so it had to be what killed them, right? Oh, and nobody was saying trump was the arbiter of truth, that's a straw man fallacy you're tossing out there. But, based on the evidence at hand, downplaying covid was one of trumps brighter moments, too bad not enough people listened. (btw, the democrats continued to "downplay" covid for a few weeks after trump stopped, and then condemned him for 'going too far' with his covid measures, but I see you've conveniently forgotten that, if you even knew it then and aren't just parroting what some other moron told you)
@ItWasNeverARight no??????????? mans is homophobic (CLEARLY) and has over 47 accusations. no one can get that many if their innocent and there is a lot of evidence he’s a racist as well!!! it’s called google <3
That was the most horrible interviewer I have ever heard. What a piece of work, that guy. I'm glad he was demoted, though I feel he should have been fired.
Been through this. Falsely accused, arrested, in jail, & facing a felony. This is one of the worst feelings in the world hands down, seeing someone else face it genuinely hurts me. The trauma of fighting the case for months in fear for my life, knowing that other people have to go through this too hurts deep.
I'm so sorry for what you went through. I was a suspect once, but after the first interrogation I was "demoted" to a witness, even though I was kind of a victim myself. Went to the station 3 times and had to miss high school for this. Being a minor probably played a big role for not being criminalized (at least one of my parents had to be present at the interrogation, or a lawyer). The first letter I got with my name on it as a "suspect" kinda broke my soul.
@Kovadamt i was high on dxm at the time i was first detained, and accused of aiding and abetting with my friend because he got out of my car and against my knowledge kicked the door of a business in. I remember crying at one point to the officer because he charged me with attempted burglary which is a felony, i am 17. i didnt have my parents and didnt understand what was going on, they continued to believe that i knew what was happening the whole time he tried to break in. Now i have court today for a felony that i didnt know about and was interrogated high out of my mind without my parents there, all for my 17 birthday
@BeanZucked Hey it's none of my business, but if you want to keep me up-to-date on what happens, I'd like to hear what turns out. Also @Kovadamt, I'm glad you made it through unscathed, a lot of people aren't as lucky as us.
one of my worst fucking fears, heard too many bad things about the police and zealosy about them trying to get a confession to close a case instead of trying to find the truth.
I'm very sorry for went you went through. False accusations boil my blood, and it's one of my worst fears to be falsely accused. I genuinely hope for healing from all the trauma you went through. This world is disgusting.
@BeanZucked that's crazy because the exact same thing basically happened to me. Was told I was gonna hang out with some friends, got into the car, took some xanax and alcohol, od'ed while my "friends" decided to do kick doors. The bright side is if they weren't caught I would have been dead in the car. Now I have 4 felonies and got totally fucked by the court system. The man who planned it all in the car? He got 3 years probation. I got 10 years deferred.
I once got called in for questioning about a crime my brother and his friends committed. I was working at the time but had hung out with them the night before. Well these cops are absolutely jerks to me kept insisting I knew things that I was not telling, even did the little good cop bad cop routine. It was ridiculous. I cannot even imagine what you must have went through.
@nyuki187 Why is it one of your worst fears? Do you fear going out of the house everyday and it weighs on you? For what reason. Cause you “heard” it. Enough of this drama. You an upstanding citizen, you have no reason to get harassed by police. If it happened, it sucks (which happened to me when I was younger by some street cops) but I don’t think about it. Move on.
@Ricky Kasso when I was a young and naive 18 year old I had to go to court on a bullshit charge and I could not and would not have believed the lies that the police told under oath it actually shocked me , the judge actually said he did not believe most of what the police said but because it was the police word against mine (even though he did not believe them) he had to go with the police so I was convicted.
No one can tell me its just a few bad apples, It is mainly bad apples with maybe a few good ones
@I'll demo in a bit he wasnt doing his job.by any stretch of the imagination. He was trying to bag a racist no evidence plea deal. Eyewitness description of the perp was a short white male.
@David nowhere Can't presonally speak for police, but my first-hand experience with being an introverted, naive and honest (to a fault) guy in the military was that the bad apples operate much the same way as a mob. They will attack and try to control anyone who opposes them to protect themselves by any means. Up to, and including murder of their fellow cop. Far more of them than we would believe are Judge Dredd wannabes.
The original meaning behind the bad apples analogy that is forgotten is that the bad apples spoil the entire bag if they are left amongst the good apples. This is what I saw in the military and what we all see in today's policing. The bad apples either spoil the good or the good leave, like me, because they cannot abide being surrounded by amoral people. I tried to be a moral compass to some, but was only seen, at best, as a naive fool for my views.
@Ricky Kasso This isn't even the tip of the iceburg. Look up "starlight tours." In the winter, RCMP have driven First Nations men out of town and abandoned them, often without clothes, to freeze to death.
@Stay EZ My Friends Wow, did a quick google and you are correct. A mob boss was killed there in broad daylight THIS YEAR. Canada is very good at selling an image of themselves as a "better, less racist USA," but it's the same shit everywhere I've been in this world.
@Ryan Waege Canada is not as "polite and friendly" as a lot of people like to promote. There are whole cities here that are just plain out filthy and dangerous. Shit Toronto is Canadas New York if not worse at some times.
@Ryan Waege to give you an idea of how superficial our "politeness" is, we actually have legislation in Ontario who's sole purpose is to say that saying "sorry" doesnt mean the person is actually sorry, it's just a cultural phenomenon.
@Stay EZ My Friends Holy deja vu! I was working in an artist friend's booth at the Eaux Claires festival in WI years back and a Canadian couple told us they were so suprised that everyone was so nice.
@Ryan Waege i was working just a few blocks away in waterdown when angelo musitano was shot at his house and then his brother pat was shot this year down the street from my home in burlington. bikers and mafia have always run hamilton unfortunately! i grew up in the shitty north end of hamilton so ive seen my share lol
My heart breaks watching the ginger bearded guy's interrogation, I can feel the anger of being powerless to prove your own innocence. What he said about doing his best to get his life back on the right track really hurt knowing that he'd waste another 2 years to a false allegation.
Didn't they say that during the process the witness was questioned and declared untrustworthy? If so, how was he in jail for 2 years if the process was in progress? I apologize If I misunderstood, english is not my first language.
the subtlety is that he's not angry, he's wildly upset. an honest person accused of lying becomes upset with accusations; a dishonest sociopath becomes angry with the person doing the accusations. the dishonest sociopath believes the display of anger is comparable to being perturbed. its a subtlety i learned handling more than a few compulsive liars in my personal life
@Snarl616 He was afraid of going to jail for 2 years in that moment knowing fully that he was innocent yet had no way other than what he had said to prove it. He should have sued them.
@TheJustinShowAndCo My problem is I am calm under most circumstances. I would be suspicious to most detectives since I have a hard time responding like a "normal" person. I have experienced much in my life and that gives me an uneasy calm. Plus not to mention my memory under pressure sucks due to a past concussion. Hopefully it never happens to me.
@Nathan H the only solution whether guilty or not guilty is to not talk and get a lawyer. The only thing I would ever do in a situation like this is claim my innocence, request my lawyer, and make it clear (only once) that I am exercising my right to remain silent. I would not crack under pressure to speak. I would not respond to any requests, questions, intimidations etc.
He spent 2 years in jail for a previous conviction not this one if you listen closely. The narrator says 3 Years in prison but corrects himself with text. I could be wrong though.
Hope he got at least $1,000,000 in settlement and those "detectives" had their asses nailed to the wall. The $1,000,000 won't bring back those 2 years lost but he definitely needs some sort of significant compensation for what he went through.
@pupeluv No. He did not server 2 years. The person @Snarl616 was responding to is pointing out something the ginger guy said which was that he spent 2 years (I presume the commenter heard in the video), trying to clean his life up to be threatened of being jailed for something he didn't do.
What confuses me is that, the ginger bearded guy breaks your heart because the police actually had several elements to see him as a suspect such as a complaint from two people describing and naming him and previous convictions while the first guy didn't even fit the description in the slightest and he should have been let free on the spot after asking the busdriver where he got on the bus.
@Indigenous Unite Are you trying to guilt trip someone that expressed how they felt in a non-toxic way on line? What if he felt just as bad about the other guy and just felt like only sharing about the ginger? I personally think comments like yours are so irrelevant and invite uneccessary negativity to digital platforms.
@Snarl616 it probably took 2 years for the witness to be declared untrustworthy. it definitely would not have happened right away. there would have been an appeal process and a whole bureacracy, that is severely backlogged with pending cases of more violent crimes, and have no obligation to rush an appeal through the system. 2 years sounds about right. its fucked up.
@Snarl616 He spent 2 years in prison in his early twenties. That must have been before. He said he used to be a piece of shit but he is changed now and stays out of trouble.
Thank everybody for the kind answers, I think @Kylie Irvine gave me the best one. What upsets me the most is that at 13:30 you can see that the interrogator poses a trick question about "Candy", despite the bearded guy said something completely different. They were trying to break an innocent guy. And trust me: that treatment makes you feel like you were raped. Happened to me once: I never was in trouble with the law, one evening I went buying cigarettes, and in a hurry I parked my car badly, but not THAT badly. Some cops checked my documents and I thought "Ok, that's a warning, next time I'll be fined, I understand", except they asked absolutely every paperwork to find issues (they didn't find any), and meanwhile they were repeatedly asking contradictory questions, trying to confuse me like I was high or drunk. I later understood that those cops were new in town and came from a city with some drugs problems (we didn't have them in my town). I felt like I was pissed on for days.
@Indigenous Unite Ah in that case for persepctive; much worse has been done to much less deserving people so really none of this is that bad at all. That kind of perspective?
@Purplefood nope I've never said that what happened to the ginger bearded isn't bad. All I said that it's telling that someone comments feeling bad for the white guy without mentioning the black guy at all. Both are cases of injustice but I find it telling that someone just feels bad for the white guy without even mentioning or acknowledging the immense injustice that's done to the black guy as well.
@Indigenous Unite Perhaps it has something to do with the fact one dude spent 3 days behind bars while the other spent 2 years in jail. I dunno maybe the severity matters to some people.
@TheJustinShowAndCo Very good point! It's a subtle but nevertheless noticeable difference. If an experience detective couldn't pick that out even though you (I assume a non-detective) did, speaks volumes about how inept or biased these detectives are.
That is why you never talk to the police guilty or innocent. Invoking your right to legal council shouldn’t be incriminating, but it is seen as such by detectives. Nothing you say to the cops to help your case wether you are guilty or innocent will be used to help you because it is considered hearsay. On the flip side anything incriminating you say wether unintentional or not will be used to hang you. It’s that simple never talk to the police without a lawyer present.
That's American business system right there. Private companies have made billions from enslavement through our prison system I'm guessing the war on drugs has made easier it for these companies to control our lives.
@TheJustinShowAndCo Damn, this clicks for me. Looking back from experience, the real liars would get angry at the person making the accusations rather than the accusations itself. I will keep this in mind moving forward.
Sickening how some people just look to keep others down. Its is one thing if you can prove they did it and if they are the kind of person who repeatedly offends and don’t actually care about trying to mend their ways but to go after people who try to get it right after their first screw up... those kind of people sicken me. Just make something up and blame the guy who already has a bad rap... that probably happens more often than we know and it’s wrong.
@TheJustinShowAndCo Actually the rule is don't say a word to cops. Lawyer up immediately. Anything you say can only be used against you. it is a rigged adversarial system. The police are not on your side, and they are not your friends. They are power mongers and usually incompetent. Why the fuck we give them so much power in our society is beyond me.
According to victims.Ca.gov “In 2000, the law was amended to allow compensation of $100 for each day served in prison after the conviction with no maximum amount. In 2016, the law was again amended to change the compensation rate to $140 per day for each day of incarceration served, including pre-conviction time spent in custody.”
I’ve heard these interrogators use the “it’s not a question of wether u did it, I’m trying to find out if ur a cold blooded serial killer or if your remorseful” but changed the words around and he almost said serial killer
I would probably insult the investigator passively if they started lying like he did here, well actually when he said "we have you on camera" i would start laughing
@Jimmy Zhao and the fact that all detectives involved got demoted and suspended without pay... that sounds like fucking dreamland... In the US they would've killed that poor man based on skin pigmentation and then awarded a 3 month paid vacation for the act
@ᛏᚤᚱᚠᛁᚾᚷᚱ I used to be like the guy in the video, trying to help the cop in the investigation and everything, but seeing they are out to get you is so annoying it becomes funny.
Nick Tapalan plenty of times I forget his name but there was 1 kid that was walking on the street cops was chasing another guy lost him they ran into the innocent kid and shot him in the back of the head killing him and none of the cops got charged
Nick Tapalan also there’s one that happened a few years ago black man was protecting a white mentality challenged kid someone called the police on them police showed up guns draw on the kid the black was telling the cops he had a learning disability and to not shoot black dude was laying on the ground with his hands up and the cops shot him while he was on the ground trial just ended and the cops got off claiming self defense or some bs there is video of it too
@Cokeforsale The term "Stranger than fiction" was one of those genius phrases that applies perfectly to cases such as that. Most people don't get upset because the brain just don't register that level of strangeness; often resulting in people going "No way!" and after a considerable pause they add "You're full of shit!" as well.
@Vanilla Annihilation I have this weird thing when people expect certain reactions from me that I myself am not aligned with...I start to crack a smile, or even laugh. Like, if people want me to take them seriously, or if I'm expected to respond in a serious way, I often smile because some part of me doesn't want to follow what's being asked. And if I KNOW the person is bullshitting, that's even worse. Not trying to sound edgy, I acknowledge it's odd. The point is, I'd probably be a smiley mess if I were in this situation, and idk if that would make me more or less suspicious.
@Kurly Kayla Depends a lot of the persona you try to pull off, im very afraid of being perceived as mentally weak so when I can't rationalize with someone I'm talking to because they project superiority i project annoyance, lack of reaction or laugh at them; this is pretty masculine and sometimes threatening if you pull it off, you're antagonizing the cop and while this behavior is common among male friends being confronted this way by a stranger with whom you've never interacted before might make the suspect seem unstable.
@Nick Tapalan look up Daniel Shaver. a cop shot him with an automatic weapon at close range while daniel was crawling towards him, it was a pure execution. long story short, the judge said the cop was innocent and awarded him a 30.000$ lifetime pension (the cop was 28 at the time). ridiculous
@Kurly Kayla I get a very similar thing when im put in situations that make me nervous, i kind of smirk or giggle because in my mind im in disbelief and going "is this shit really happening to me?". I got held up at knife point at a trainstation a few years ago and my instant response was to smirk and briefly giggled at the guy, i had no control over the response, thankfully the would-be mugger just walked away, im guessing he figured i was too much effort because i didn't appear scared or startled.(Which wasn't true at all, i was terrified i was about to get stabbed) Thankfully that time it went in my favour.... but i do worry that it might accidently get me in more trouble one day.
@Hashiriya*Style I'm glad I'm not alone in this. I smile like that too when in situations I think are absurd. Like if someone is blowing up at me, or if I can see they're being unreasonable, or if it feels like I'm in some sort of scripted movie, that's when the smiles start. I totally get you. Glad nothing happened from that mugging situation. I hope you stay as safe as possible in the meantime!
I’m Canadian and for the most part people here are polite but become passive aggressive if offended 😆 the “no disrespect to you” just resonated with me.
This wasn’t the case but it could have been possible that the real suspect was someone who liked similar, expecially in a camera. So I would be nervous for that reason and not laughing. For us since we know it’s absurd what the police did.
I went to prison for 2-years for being in a swimming pool with my dog, drunk, after hours. Burglary With Intent To Steal Pool Water. They had my swimming shorts as evidence. When they brought me to court on the elevator, the officer stepped out first, turned and said "OK everyone out of the pool", unfortunately for him the judge was within ear-shot and heard him. "Officer, in my chambers now". So where did I spend 18 months serving 'prison time'? I was sent to a work camp to do logging and deforestation, situated on the shores of The Chain Of Lakes!!! Every guard there had to have their fun to ask me if I was stealing any lake water.
"If you didn't do it why are you being so defensive?" My dad asked me this one time when my step-mom found weed (which is illegal in my state) in my sisters room. My step-mom somehow didn't communicate that it was in my sisters room and not mine therefore I was sat down, humiliated in front of my family, and yelled at until 10-15 minutes later my step-mom told my dad that it wasn't found in my room. It's honestly one of the most frustrating thing in the world to be sat down and accused of things you can't defend yourself against because someone has already made up their mind about you.
One day when i was in 4th grade another 4th grader beaten up as hell and with a broken arm came in with the director during the class and was pointing his finger at me, i got confused and didnt speak very well german at this time (we came 1 year before from russia). So i had to go with them and my Grandmother had to come to school, they asked me which way i went after school, 4 days ago. After leavig the school there were a left and right path, me and my friends changed the paths cause we were playing or going to a gaming store. So i remembered it was the right path, they said the guy was beaten up on the left path, so they asked 1 of my friends and he said it was the LEFT ONE! So they didnt believe me and suspendet me from the school. My whole family gave me the "you are destroying your and the other guys life, how dare you to do such a thing" look and they had a lot to say.... (except for my mother). While looking for a new school, almost 2 weeks later, the director called and apologized and told they found the real guy. The other guy looked like me, short hair, almost the same build, but obviously not the same face. (And not Russian) The guy who got beaten up couldnt really remember the face, they only found him cause he came up during a break and wanted his money and his lunchbox. My friend didnt know how important it was to remember the path we went home and just said something..... I feel you mate, the frustration was real here aswell.
If there's one thing i've learned from poeple who've already made up their minds, it's that it's futile trying to convince them of the facts. You can bring out an entire probability chart with data sheets and video evidence that exonerates you and they still won't give a shit, but the same thing coming from someone else has them change their mind.
The best way to teach them a lesson is to not take their shit and be aggressive back. It pisses them off, but when the truth finally comes out, they learn that they were in the wrong and usually become submissive from guilt. Oh, and don't forgive them either; let them learn and never trust them until they prove themselves as a way for it to never happen again. If that person, even a parent, was being an asshole for no reason, be an asshole back because not only do you have justification and they don't, but because once they learn this they can't say anything back. Unless they explicitly do something to make up, be hostile. Don't let them slip it under the rug so that they can make the same mistake again. That's a lesson i wish i knew much sooner.
I'm a cashier and my job often accuses me of taking money out of the drawer like I'm stealing. You know how annoying it is to be accused of stealing from your job just because you're handling money all day? I mean for fucks sake the job includes free gas, why would I risk stealing a few bucks here and there when I get free gas?
dude i have a similar story. when my sister used to come home from college, she would stay in my room and i would sleep on the couch. well one day she had some friends over, and one of them must’ve left a vape in my room (i’ve never seen one nor have I ever smoked one, even to this day i haven’t tried) and she called me into her room and asked me what it was. i played with it for a second thinking it was an EpiPen or a lead holder for a pencil. she then went to accuse me of being someone who smokes, and obviously i denied it and was frustrated that i was being accused of such things.
i have a similar situation except it was at school and i was with my friend and he asked this random kid (idk for what reason) if he was white and the kid just ignored him and kept walking. Later after school we were walking home together and the kids mom followed us in her car and started yelling at us saying we were harrassing her son even tho my friend just asked him one question. We were just ignoring most of the things she was saying and tried to keep walking and i guess she went down to the school and reported us. The next day we were called in the office and the assistant principal of the school said she had us on multiple cameras following and pushing the kid. She said she had us on cameras in places we weren’t even close to and when we asked her to show us the videos she said she couldn’t because it was “confidential”. She even called my dad right infront of my face lying to him about everything and there was nothing i could do i felt helpless. She continued to say she had us on camera and we both got suspended for a week for bullying all because my friend asked a random kid if he was white 💀🤦♂️
I had a little different experience. When I was a cadet (ATC) I taken aside and told 'I will not have my officers disrespected'. I had a half eaten Snickers in my hand which he told me to put down and stand to attention. Supposedly I'd stuck two fingers up at this other officer. I denied it but not sure he believed me but he dismissed me. Later the officer I insulted(supposedly) bent down to me when I was sat down and in a low voice 'you cheeky ****' he seemed more bemused than angry though. Anyway talking to others about it this kid chimed up admitted it was him. He didn't put it right though.
True. That's why I stay away from crazy people, that includes all of my family members. The stress and drama would kill you. I realized I'm living with crazy parents when they preach peace and love and then do otherwise.
this isnt nearly similar to your experience but i havent been accused of lying for quite some time until a couple days ago when i was on a walk with my bestfriend, we sat on a bench and had an amazing view of our home town and there was a church in the distance and i thought i saw a drone flying on top of it and was like "i just thought that bird was a drone haha" and then about 20 minutes later while we were walking past the church she was like "look theres a drone" and i was so excited because i knew i saw it from a distance and she kept saying i didnt and then i kept saying that i TOLD her i did and shes like "no you didnt tell me" and then im like "well i guess you weren't listening" and replies with "no, you just didnt" istg i wanted to slapppppp that bish into the river but i just shook it off and forgot about it because i didnt feel like arguing. anyway glad i ranted, now i can sleep at night knowing people who read this long ass paragraph know the real truth.
Step mom sounds vindictive. My first thought goes straight to, why do this? What’s in it for her? Did she fear your father would think less of her if he knew it was her daughters weed? Was she afraid in any way of how your father would treat her daughter if he found out? Or is she so self absorbed she wants you out of the way so it can be all about her and her daughter with your father? Regardless of her motivations, manipulative people in my experience can be dangerous. If not through violent acts, through their attempts to control and maneuver others to meet their own needs. Sorry to hear this, hopefully things have since improved for you.
@catsofstyle Was the random kid wearing some kind of a costume, Was he white ?.(if the random kid was not white, I think some people might consider it offensive(if asked multiple times) and the principal wasn't wrong In suspending your friend, I don't know why she would suspend you, she might have not watched the video herself)
Similar thing happened with me and my parents. They looked at my assignments for school and saw that something hadn’t been put into the grade book yet. They thought that I didn’t do it, when in fact I DID turn it in, and my teacher had yet to grade it. It turned from a lecture about turning things on time into them yelling at me, even when I told them that it just wasn’t graded yet. The next day I went to my teacher, only for her to confirm to me that she just hadn’t graded the papers yet. When I told my parents that, they just said ‘ok’ and didn’t even apologize for yelling at me for no reason to the point of tears. Writing this at the moment is just making me more and more pissed off
Arrogant detective: "You're not in a enviable position" Ends up getting sued, suspended, demoted and has to pay damages.... That's not an enviable position either, buddy.
Lol. Good. He deserves it. Appalling that when these people fail at their jobs, innocent people suffer. He’ll certainly think twice next time. Shame there was a first time though.
The most frustrating thing for me to hear these detectives say is asking the suspect to "prove" goddamn anything. That isn't how this works, you don't get to just shift the burden of proof, you are making the accusation, you are the one with the burden of proof.
People don't realize that every word will be used against them, regardless of the perversion of context that must be made to do so. Every single word gets guilty and innocent people closer to prison, so don't say a damned thing.
Cops view suspects as the enemy, it's only fair to respond by not helping them bury you.
Every attorney in the country will give the same advice: never talk to cops.
@Ziekk I feel as though there should be more measures added to the booking process when arresting people. there are not many professionals in this type of job
Man here in America they would have said “Oh whatever you seemed guilty. Get out.” No punishment and you can’t sue any of the cops involved because of that good old qualified immunity.
@Paul Stocker Getting suspended without pay is not a vacation. It's a, "How can I make bills since I didn't plan enough because i have a reliable paycheck I just fucked up," situation. There's a lot of pressure on detectives to close cases, often their livelihoods depend on it. There are also people who would be used care salesmen who get jobs as police and find their way into a detectives position. It sucks, but we and all our institutions are essentially human and prone to error. It's why the victim got a huge payday and he was punished so severely.
@Zane Burns I've had police and fireman in my family for multiple generations, as well as friends, acquaintances, and enemies. I'm not deluded, unlike almost everyone in this message chain, I truly know better. Everyone is human, and humans make human mistakes. Police are part of a culture, and whatever problem the police have is indicative of that culture, not of the police themselves. I've spent some time in Latin American and seen what bad cops are. We don't really have that problem here. However, if everyone gets their wish, we will soon. The more "us versus them" mentality you foster, the worse it gets.
@PhoenixHinds Can confirm that Canadian PDs tend to take stuff like this very seriously. It's not like the US where if you become a police, you have a sort of legal protection (even if not explicitly stated).
@Shabazz You can sue the police (as in individual officer) in the US in both Civil or Criminal court (You need to be nominally over the line if it was latter, like that cop who sat on George Floyd neck and killed him) There are no point to sue an officer in a civil court tho, unless you think a cop on a lousy $70,000 a year salary can afford to damages that rack up to hundreds of thouusand and even in millions?? Those are going to be a default judgement to begin with anyway......
Police Officer, Police Department and sometime state prosecution body can be sue (depends on jurisdiction).
@Running Production You can only use them in certain situations where they clearly violated a rule but if they determine that they didn’t you can’t sue them.
You can sue anyone in the US in civil court, police officer and politician are not exempted to this rule. You (as an civilian) cannot "sue" someone criminally tho, that will need to go thought an indictment procedure thought your DA office.
@Running Production We’re talking about police right? So clearly that’s they. And again you cannot sue a police officer unless it is determined that they violated a policy. Look up qualified immunity. I never understand why people don’t question themselves and just keep assuming they’re right without checking to see if they are. You just keep asserting the same wrong claim without even double checking.
@Shabazz lol, it's strange that you quote "Qualified Immunity" yet you know nothing about the term.
Qualified Immunity means Police can enjoy immunity "Only" if the person or organisation in question (ie the Cop or the Department) acts in good faith.
However, the term "Good Faith" is actually open to discussion here. Say for an example, would you sue the police for writing you a ticket over J-walking?
That term is established to exclude responsibility for an officer or an department when they are performing their job, so that their right to excute their duty will not be hinder by lawsuit. Which usually would not be the case when you sue them, because a normal person will not sue the Police or its department when everything is A-OK, you only sue them when there are something wrong
It is not like you said at all which "You cannot sue them when they are found not in violation of policy" dude, I can show you thousand of case the Police Officer in question was cleared by the department and yet get sued in Civil Court and found for the plaintiff. You don't need to look far, Breonna Taylor's killer was clear of any wrong doing by the department (2 of them still have their job) yet the family sued and won a case in a tune of 12 millions dollars. Virtually every Police Shooting since 1990 have a lawsuit attached whether the Police Officer in that particular circumstance were clear of wrongdoing or not.
Kid, please don't kid a lawyer. Look up civil right violation lawsuit against Police department on the internet man.
@Running Production oh my god. I was being lazy in the definition because I didn’t feel like typing a bunch. My point has always been that you can just sue anyone. Don’t try to pretend you’re claim was right by diving further into it what I said than I was willing to. Haha. You were wrong.
@Running Production Obviously it doesn’t apply to every situation or else it wouldn’t be qualified immunity. If you’re so versed in the way it works then you should be going around claiming that anyone can be sued because it’s not true.
Why would I need to go around claiming that anyone can be sued when that is an actual fact and everybody knows that.
Jiust becuase you said I am wrong that does not mean I am wrong.
Funny that come from the same person who say "I didn't dive into the issue and research the issue and claim I am right." Wasn't that's exactly what you are doing?
@Running Production I didn’t say I didn’t look into it myself. I said that I didn’t feel like typing it all out. The bottom line is that you said that you can sue anyone. But that’s not true. You cannot sue a police officer, elected officials, judges, etc. UNLESS certain stipulations are met. It would be different if it was you CAN sue them EXCEPT for certain situations but it’s the opposite of that.
@Running Production I don’t need to do that if you already know what qualified immunity is. What’s the point of that? It’s just a waste of time. That being said there are countless examples of people being the victim of police brutality and they have to sue the city because the cop has immunity from a personal lawsuit. Once again my claim was never that police could not be aired at all just that it’s very difficult, which does not jive with your original claim.
@Shabazz First of all, if you have to talk about semantics, then what I say is still correct. Because you can literally sue anyone, suing anyone require you to go to a court and file a necessary paperwork, anyone can do that to everyone, however, whether the court will dismiss your case is another issue. As that is a seperate action than lauching a lawsuit.
Secondly, as I have already demostrated, you can sue the Police Officer, Police Department when they did not break any guideline, this is based on civil right violation, as an elected official, I can perform my duty as charged and it can still violate someone's else constitutional civil right. A police officer break down a door after getting fired at, he return fire and kill an innocent person that was in the vincinty, the officer charge is adhere to his duty and act in self defence, but that does not mean the victim civil right (as in right to live) was not violated. Hence this is what lawsuit can bring in to people.
So, you are wrong either way, either you play it semantically or stick with what you said.
@Dave poj They have several forms of legal protection here in the US: 1 - Blue Line code of silence / the "brotherhood" 2 - Internal investigations 3 - Police unions 4 - Biased criminal justice system 5 - Qualified Immunity 6 - Indemnification when all else fails
A cop has to mess up with malicious intent and wicked badly for all those protections to be stripped away or otherwise fail
@Paul Stocker they were back at work after their 2 week unpaid vacation where they came back to a lower rank job which also paid them less and they had to pay over $40,000 to the man
Had to pay damages? I think not, thats coming straight from the taxpayer. The detective and the arresting officers had been suspended without pay, but as seen multiple times on ATA or other comparable channels that could mean anything from suspended for 2 hours to 1 week. I sincerely doubt it was more than 2 weeks.
You know what's crazy the behavior of an innocent person and a guilty person trying to look behave like am innocent person is indistinguishable in some cases
I'm glad those officers faced some consequences but it would've been nice if they were fired for that kind of incompetence. You know like how jobs tend to work.
I know I’d fold under pressure, these officers are trained interrogators, there needs to be compensation for playing mind games and manipulating innocent citizens. It’s traumatic.
Yeah, well, I don't have a problem with them lying, that's their job to do whatever it takes to catch the bad guy. I have a problem with their incompetence and lack of judgement.
@vinsanity982 no, lying is not part of their job. Protecting the right of citizens is their fkn job. Which they fail at and are a waste of money and makes us less free and protected.
@Jesse Jennings Well I said it was part of their job, not their only job. Yes, they are supposed to protect the rights of citizens which includes capture people who have violated someone else's rights. And in the USA, it is completely legal for a cop to lie to you. I mean, the BTK killer (bind tie kill) was busted because the cops lied to him. The issue here was incompetence. They didn't do the investigative work that would have made it obvious that he was innocent. If they sat there and lied to the guy, but then left the room and checked his alibi, they would have let him go. But they didn't. And that was violation of his rights, not that they lied to him
@vinsanity982 it seems to me that they really think lying and farming the citizens like livestock is their job. From laws made up at the moment to lying on the stand. This distrust of the police didn't happen in a vacuum.
@Jesse Jennings Laws made up on the spot and lying on oath is not the same thing as bluffing a suspect in an interrogation. How you feel about cops, I agree, I don't trust them and I think they can make make mistakes and they definitely need reform. However, I disagree that them lying here was "THE" bad thing. The "THE bad thing" was their incompetence and their half ass investigation
@vinsanity982 I really don't think they should lie. Like in the video, the cops believe that the person they've arrested is guilty, but they don't have any evidence to support that assumption, so they resort to lying which doesn't help anybody. It's their job to identify evidence and then piece together a timeline for the crime and match that evidence and timeline up with the person they have or would like to have in custody. If you don't have the evidence, then you don't lie and make up evidence just because you FEEL somebody is guilty.
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Andrew Hoyt2020-10-09 18:50:02 (edited 2020-10-09 18:51:22 )
@vinsanity982 BTK wasn't busted because cops lied to him, he was busted because he used a floppy disk to correspond with cops and the cops used digital forensics to discover that the disk belonged to a Church that BTK attended. That's hard evidence that links the disk to the church to Dennis Rader.
@Andrew Hoyt Yes, what you said is correct however, he was communicating with the police before sending them the disk. He asked the cops to basically swear that they couldn't trace it and they promised him they couldn't. So he sent it and they immediately traced it lol. So yes, they did lie to him to catch him. But anyways, back to the other guy. The lame bluff attempt didn't put this guy in jail, it was shoddy police work
@HoseTheBeast Well, i'm not going to search every country in the world but so far i found that Canada and Australia allow their police to lie to you. Are you saying Canada is uncivilized?? lol Please say yes so I can laugh my ass off.
It's like a parent telling you: Do as I say, not as I do. That's one of the main problems with law enforcement I think. That the techniques they use are actually what the people they try to put behind bars are known for. I don't think you can use these techniques and still keep your integrity. You shouldn't put out a fire with fire. That's why I personally prefer statement analysis. It doesn't require manipulation.
vinsanity982 but it becomes a problem when getting a confession without hard evidence is highly rewarded.
It just gives officers an incentive to make shit up and act like they know for a fact that a suspect is guilty even though they actually have no idea and are just trying to get a reward out of it, even if they have to abuse innocent people for it.
@Adrian Celsius Tepes It's basically the same behavior they would condemn in others. I think these interrogation practices are highly unethical tbh. They are using the same immoral manipulation techniques, just in a more socially accepted context in which they get paid for it. Have you seen the series "Dexter"? That's a similar debate I think. (A serial killer killing serial killers...he also works for the police.)
@aaron ramsdale enthusiast What was their deleted comment?
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Bogos J. Binted2021-10-28 18:32:11 (edited 2021-10-28 18:32:25 )
@Nicola Obrien I think compensation for the victims is more important than punishment for the perpetrators. 46K CAD is pretty good for 3 days of prison and being wrongfully accused.
i mean trust me, those investigators looked at the suspension as a vacation, even with the "demotion" they're probably making more than they realistically need
Me too! Although I think their punishment was a slap on the wrist. They should have been fired! But I'm glad they didn't just get away with it completely!
@Street blawger Yea, it was a slap on the wrist. They definitely should have been fired and not allowed to be employed in that line of work or similar work ever again. What they did is despicable
@Aidan Leung Very easy, claiming you have video evidence or witness testimony when you don't have such, or any evidence at all for that matter, yet still try to blatantly coerce a confession. Even when directly being called out for his bluff maintained that he had this evidence. There is a point where testing to see if someone would crack, becomes blatant vindictiveness, which is what this officer displayed
@Rick no. don't try to justify his actions. the guy he was supposed to have in that chair in front of him was a white short male AND he lacked evidence; there was absolutely no reason to hold him for 3 DAYSSS! this is so unbelievable.
@Aidan Leung how about "we have conclusive evidence tha you did this, im not here to figure out whether you did it or not since we already know you did it. Im here just to find out what kind of a guy you are whether youre a serial burglar or if this is a one time thing" i dont know how much more evidence you need to be honest since ironic enough theres video evidence of the officer claiming these things and the irony just keeps on giving.
@MrDahQ whats stopping them from just passing it off as some kind of mental trick for interrogation? Besides they mentioned in the video that getting confessions without evidence is a mark of merit.
@Aidan Leung No... getting evidence or a confession through questions related to the crime is a mark of merit...., falsifying information with no basis of fact in order to get evidence or a confession is coersion and illegal..
@superazazel8740 True, police are allowed to claim they have evidence that they don't have. That's OK cos they "know" the person is guilty, and of course when the person gives up, overwhelmed by all the evidence seemingly against them, and falsely confesses just to get a shorter sentence, that proves they were guilty, doesn't it?
This utterly verminous technique might be less effective if people were aware it exists. A shocking number of people don't know the police are allowed to, and will routinely lie to suspects about vitally important facts of the case. Get a fucking lawyer!
They're scum and I don't know how they sleep at night. I suspect denial is well involved though. Pension probably helps.
@Aidan Leung indeed it is a mark of merit and as a mind trick it is fine to begin with... What im disagreeing here with is the fact they kept him locked up for that long with no evidence whatsoever.
they got demoted and suspended frankly i dont know anyone whod even want this guy on the force he clearly doesnt know what hes doing and needs to take courses to get better
I don't know about in Canada, but in the U.S. firing a cop is a normal everyday occurrence for "gypsy cops" the ones who get fired for racist acts of violence, can drive a mile down the road to the next precinct and get hired THE SAME DAY THEY WERE FIRED.
For everyone saying that cops can lie. Yes maybe if it's a life or death situation (let's say for example that a person is in danger and they must find them as quick as possible). But when it's a burglary and you have zero evidence you just start with basic questions (where were you today etc) not that aggressive "i know you did it" lol
@Pilot This officer didn't make any mistakes in his interrogation, other than not being confident and controlling the conversation. Telling a suspect you have evidence and to stop lying is a investigation tactic cops are trained to use, lying to get evidence is their job. Not treating suspects like individuals and refusing any benefit of the doubt, is their job. Arresting a 6'3" black dude after the call said short white guy, is probably a different story, but once they'd stopped some one, everything from that point on they were doing by the book. Though i'd argue ignoring suspect descriptions and arresting a POC is also unofficially "by the book" at this point.
The interrogator and 3 other officers were demoted and suspended without pay I'm shocked.....they are normally promoted. They should have been fired off the force.
Anyone who lies and get someone sent to jail should at a minimum spend the exact same amount of time in jail that the other person served if not double the amount.
Reacted like that because he couldn't take the charge seriously, because he knew it wasn't him. Basic psychology, it's a surprise he didn't laugh in response tbf, I would, like a "you serious?" kinda laugh.
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There are three phrases and only three, that I will say to a cop for any given situation. Hello officer, Am I under arrest? Am I free to go? With respect, I would like to consult a lawyer before I say anything else. That is it. That is all. no ifs, ands, or buts. Even if I am a victim of car jacking, or someone mugged me, or I was in a car accident. a conversation with a cop can be used against you. It can NOT be used for you. There is absolutely no benefit to talk to a cop. none.
When you buy something, keep the receipt of time & date and keep receipt. Wave at security cameras whenever you see one. Take a picture and check-in on social media to prove were somewhere (for at least part of your day). Be pleasant to anyone you see so maybe they can be a good witness
That is terrible! But I am glad how it ended. He deserved compensation and the officers deserved their punishment. I believe the officers got off lightly. They should have been fired.
People keep saying that cops aren't your enemies, but they're not your friends either. Their job is to arrest people. Always assume the worst in a interrogation and shut up until your lawyer shows up.
they are also trying to get fast track promotions by getting innocent people to confess and build a reputation as a great interrogator. what a crazy system that encourages bad behaviour not good service. throw cops like that out of the service. show people respect. I hope he got demoted to a lollypop lady (a pleasant woman who helps children cross the road in England and she holds a sign that looks like a giant lollypop to stop traffic) or a library security man.
cops are absolutely your enemy. They do not exist to keep you safe, or to "fight crime", whatever that is supposed to mean. They exist to protect capital.
Yeah never talk to the cops unless your lawyer is present even if you have nothing to hide they will always twist the facts against you even if you have good intentions
@Sam fighting crime typically means stopping people from committing criminal activity. It exists in every sector of society, im not sure how thats hard for people like you to get
There are a million ways that little bits of truth can come back to bite you in the ass even if you are innocent. NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer.
If you hate lawyers... like I do. Not lawyers as people but lawyers as a profession. Then you'll understand that you're paying someone for an attempt to do something. You'll understand that a lawyer is not paid to get you out of jail but simply to be your safety blanket while you go through the legal process. However, a good lawyer will be your own personal private investigator to get you out of situations like this. I wish all lawyers were good. Theyre not. Its a dice roll. Thats why I hate them. The profession, not the persom.
Joe Rogan describes the "game" of police investigators and prosecutors of a win amd lose position perfectly. Once you understand that these people don't necessarily see their job as a public service but as just a job with opportunities to elevate or lose.
I forgot the guys name but he was a lawyer who was doing a speech to college students talking about this. And to never say anything ever even if you are innocent and went through all these awesome examples.
A cop then came up to talk after and literally said everything he told you is correct lol
Unfortunately Canada is different from the states. When you state "I want to talk to a lawyer" the interrogating officers don't have to stop questioning you. Basically the onus is on you to remain silent until your lawyer gets there. Also in Canada, a lawyer can't sit in the interrogation room with you. They can be outside, and you can stop and consult them whenever. But in Canada there is none of this "you asked for a lawyer, ok we are leaving the room" shit that you see in the States. But yes, the police are the enemy. ACAB
@Sam I wouldn't say that they are my enemy. They are products of a decades long broken system that values making money for the department, and whatever municipality they work for. Now does that mean that I trust police in anything other than an emergency situation? No.. absolutely not. But they aren't my enemy.
Listen to me when I tell you this - The police are ABSOLUTELY your enemy if they have suspected you of a crime. It really sucks and is very hard to swallow as an innocent person, because as an innocent person, you want to try to do everything you can to help the police and give them as much information as you can. The problem is, they will use absolutely everything in their power and everything you say against you. They literally tell you this when reading your rights. If you are picked up for a crime, even if you are innocent - immediately call a lawyer.
@SpectreNeon Law enforcement is a career defined by enforcing lawys (Just or Unjust) created by a Government Entity. Enforcement means to strengthen, to compel obedience. Force is an active, motion or change, a power or strength. By definition, these people actively exhibit power and compel one to become obediene so, in-turn, their laws or rules created by and agreed by politicians, are strengthened by force. They don't stop "criminal" activity, they enforce compliance and exhibit force to stop unlawful activities, conduct that goes directly against by rules, or laws, created by politicians. This means that if one were to participate in an activity, that hasn’t been created or "passed" as unlawful, or "unruly" then that conduct you were participating in wouldn't require enforcement because there was no rules, or laws created against the activity. Crime is an unlawful act punishable by a State or Authoritarian Entity. What if, say, urinating outside was was agreed on as an illegal activity that was punishable by a felony? If you do this, that would make your code of conduct "unlawful" and it an "unlawful activity" or what you refer to as a "criminal activity".
@Steven Hair The Police do not make you follow the law, aka "enforce the law" as that in itself would be violating the law. They arrest you and attempt to punish you if they believe they can prove you violated the law. There is no enforcing whatsoever. They're very selective in who they look at when it comes to violating the law too. Certain socioeconomic circumstances will make you much more likely to be falsely accused and possibly convicted of a crime you did not commit. Those with the resources and positions of power break the law regularly and are often found out too, yet they do not even get the formal accusations, let alone actually convicted for the crimes the did commit. Law in its current guise does nothing more than protect the powers that be from those who the powers that be are exploiting.
@Jacob Ott And hopefully one day you finish high school. here's a tip, if you have a problem with a law the answer isn't to whine on social media that the law system shouldnt exist. whine to legislators that changes should be made to make the law you have an issue with nonexistent. But as it stands the general consensus is that most people want doing meth in the middle of the street to be illegal. youre on the wrong side here, get help
You couldn't be more wrong. Their job is NOT to "arrest people". There's FAR more to law enforcement than to simply arrest people. What those cops did in this video was shitty and wrong and they paid for it too. One thing you are correct about is no matter the situation, if you're being questioned by police, you stay quiet and request an attorney.
@first DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services. Cops don't have to protect you, it's literally not their job. The Supreme Court found that the government had no affirmative duty to protect any person, even a child, from harm by another person. “Nothing in the language of the Due Process Clause itself requires the State to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors," stated Chief Justice Rehnquist for the majority, "even where such aid may be necessary to secure life, liberty, or property interests of which the government itself may not deprive the individual" without “due process of the law.”
@Sam have u ever seen a swat video with hostages they don't just protect capital they make sure the victims are kept alive and resued. Or when a mass shooting happens it's the cops that show up and protect the people lol.
@Alexander Redhorse and I bet "enforcing the law" involves lying out of their asses to get a promotion at the expense of the lives of the people they swore to protect.
Yeah but the interrogators come in like they're interested on hearing your side. Using the buddy technique so you'll let down your guard. Bring you a soda. Ask what they can do to make your more comfortable. As far as he's concerned, you're guilty. He just need to get you to say it.
But if the evidence against you is strong going to the interrogation room and having a cop voach for you behaving innocent may be your only chance. Especially since your lawyer can show footage of someone who was confirmed to be innocent during the interrogation and show the simmilarities.
It's kinda funny I think, it's a defense sistem or a developed insensitivity towards the suspect, it's more easy to make that job seeing everyone like a suspect instead of a innocent
Cops are meant to be people's friends, that will protect them and give them justice, but it is hard when your payment is not determined by helping people but arresting them
@Steven Hair huh!? If you fit the description they are certainly keen on arresting you. They could even arrest you without you even being aware they are cops. They are not your friends period, full stop!
@mjoto "If you hate lawyers... like I do. Not lawyers as people but lawyers as a profession. Then you'll understand that you're paying someone for an attempt to do something. You'll understand that a lawyer is not paid to get you out of jail but simply to be your safety blanket while you go through the legal process. However, a good lawyer will be your own personal private investigator to get you out of situations like this. I wish all lawyers were good. Theyre not. Its a dice roll. Thats why I hate them. The profession, not the persom."
No kidding! Imagine your plumber comes to fix your toilet, but it still doesn't flush. You plumber charges you top dollar anyway, saying, "But I TRIED to fix it!!"
Unfortunately they also have the power to ruin your life if they are bad. Sad when so many are honest and hardworking that they get punished for the few.
@SpectreNeon You know, being against drugs is kind've ironic considering the CIA actually sold cocain to black majority inner cities to fund the contra rebels during Reagans presidency which created the crack epidemic. And before you say i'm wearing a tin-foil hat no, it actually happened.
They exist on paper to protect you from criminals, but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend. Any institution that has the authority to pull you off the street and steal your life is to be treated with extreme caution. You're not dealing with friendly neighborhood policeman, you're dealing with a professional government snatcher. It doesn't matter why they would take you, what matters is that they can. Would you trust a trained bear not to maul you to death?
@Dr. Coomer Yep. There have been cases where there was a school shooter but the cop that was at that school for those specific situations just ran away and didn't face any charges. Also if you die right in front of them they are under no obligation to call an ambulance for you. That counts for everybody, cop or not, though
@Ridley fear monger? it's a reality that "cops who break the law or pull shit like the first one" are almost NEVER held accountable. Cops don't report each other. If they do, the whistleblower is often punished. RIP Chris Dorner
Cops only do what theyre told to do and sometimes break that barrier and go off the limits of justice they are anything but justified people never question a cop
Shamelessly trying to get a wrong confession straight out of the suspect....that investigator... I wouldn't have the guts to show my face in public if I watched this video.
Michael probably has more mediation experience than the detective. Immediately breaking out the “I understand your position and where you’re coming from”, I perfectly understand why you’d classify him as asserting dominance. He’s deescalating a situation properly, and that’s pretty funny.
@Man with No Name makes me feel better about myself, if such a level headed and articulate guy doesn't like to speak in crowds then my shy ass feels less bad for stuttering when speaking to a large number of people lol
That's why if you ever find yourself in this situation, you don't waste your breath or get aggregated, and just tell them you want your lawyer. There's no more talking after that. Everything you say, can, and will used against you. No matter how innocent you are.
@Lou hell even if you did do it. Best case is to shut up and lawyer up. If they have evidence nothing you say helps you. It only hurts you. And if you did it and they don’t have evidence it also only hurts you to speak. When dealing with the law, the less you say is better, guilty or innocent.
and here I am just thinking myself, being arrested and being fascinated by the fact that I am going to jail for 2 years, no college, no family problems, and all I am gonna do is write poetries...I wish that happens... :)
Are you new to this channel? Detectives across the world say this and it works. This would have been a successful interrogation if they could be arsed to follow up his alibi and let him go but... promotion comes first for that arsehole.
A detective's job is to cobble a case together any way possible, to be able to present to the district attorney. In some towns and cities in the United States, the police department's budget is based on number of arrests. Guilt or innocence of the accused isn't a part of the equation. The prosecutor's job is to convince a jury of the defendant's guilt. His job is based on a win/loss ratio.
Neither "truth" nor "justice" are a factor in any stage of the prosecution.
@Gerald Lacy Yep, it's a damn shame how some people only show up for the money. I wonder how many others were wrongly imprisoned because of that guy. As far as the interrogation went it was pretty standard but that detective thought it would be more beneficial to himself if he didn't bother following up on it. Only half the job was done 🙁
The part that really bugs me is where the interviewer says "I have nothing to gain from trying to bluff you into a confession"... Which is total garbage. As Jim pointed out, getting a confession without any evidence looks great on a policeman's record so they absolutely have a vested interested in trying to pressure innocent people. If criminals shouldn't be allowed to lie to protect their own interests, then neither should the people who are charged with catching those criminals.
@Popular Opinion Dispenser What scared me was the red headed dude who was innocent that they said spent two years behind bars wrongly accused. That could be me, could be any one of us. The tragedy is he had gone awry and been rehabilitated because of his prison experience and still got shafted. I hope he stayed the course even though he got jacked up.
As a American citizen and immigrant - I love this country and I wouldn't do anything to break the law, however cops aren't your friend. they're like a separate entity
I'm glad that in the UK police aren't allowed to lie about evidence they don't have. It muddies the water so much, like this guy was so relived when they supposedly had video evidence that would exonerate him, but then he's confused when they say the evidence shows him breaking and entering.
Add to that UK police are only allowed to hold suspects for 24 hours so they don't doddle about with the investigation and leave people in the holding cell for three and a half days
Although sometimes they will lie and tell you that your accomplice has "told us everything". But i agree, i like the system we have here; the Anerican one seems scary to me
Meanwhile it's damning if you lie to them, which is why you're advised to get a lawyer regardless of guilt or innocence. Even something minor, like getting the time slightly wrong or mixing up days is considered evidence of malfeasance.
@Peterscraps this was in canada man. We have a lot of UK and Australian police here because of the laws they are able to get jobs as cops here fairly easy if they were cops in their home country
That’s not even close to the truth. They lie instinctively at every stage, as easily as they start most sentences with the word ‘Obviously’ and ILLEGALLY accept discounted and free meals in McDonald’s etc.
UK police are an absolute disgraceful gang of corrupt, unintelligent policy enforcers and revenue collectors in fancy dress costume that invent lies most toddlers would be embarrassed to repeat.
@hbghawaii At first I agreed with you, but I think we're seeing the same sentence the wrong way. He just meant to say that as a random fact about the UK and that he doesn't think Hamilton, Ontario is in the UK.
@Kenneth McClain But the problem is that they sometimes tell them that they have evidence and convince them if they don't confess right then, they will be FUCKED. like they will say "oH JUst CoNfEss NOw aNd we'LL gEt YOu a GReaT deAl.. If YOu DOnt YoU'Ll geT aSs RApeD foR thE REst OF etErNity..." or whatever.
I was just about to say, the Pommy cop goes to the US, gets a job as an investigator; “sorry, what? We’re allowed to lie to the suspect? Well let’s lean right into that, then”.
I'll never forget the Canadian investigator that said the had satellite imaging using infrared that showed that the suspect was in the house.. and that bs convinced the suspect to admit guilt
Lmao. He said he is happy the U.K. police can’t lie. You guys don’t even have constitutional rights. Cops can enter your home, can’t defend yourself, have hate speech laws and all kinds of stupid shit. People who talk to the police don’t understand their constitutional rights. Never talk to the police and always gets a lawyer. It’s that simple. Lmao dude said he is glad that the U.K. police aren’t allowed to lie about evidence they don’t have HAHAHA.
I mean it's shitty when ignorant people feel they have to confess over fake alleged evidence, but it works wonderfully to push truly guilty people into a corner and leads to many confessions as we have seen in the past on this channel.
The American (and I guess Canadian as well, but I know the American system better) is so utterly broken. At every step of the way the cops, investigators, judges, forensic techs, etc can corrupt everything.
I wonder whether, statistically, there are more false-imprisonments in countries whose laws allow lying to suspects in an interrogation, versus those in which it's not.
@Mostly Toasty I've come across several over the years, and that's just on Vancouver Island. I don't think its super common but the fact that the Commonwealth countries hire each other's citizens as police officers is pretty unique, and kind of cool, providing they're actually good, unlike this goof.
@Peterscraps I got arrested in the UK, age 16, they kept me in a cell for 11 hours before finally interrogating me. Throughout the 11 hours they offered me food and water about 15 times and brought them to me exactly zero times. Bare in mind I was technically still a child and they were actively making efforts to psychologically torture me. The UK police are as despicable as they come, in my eyes.
@Giovanni Dracula He's got an English/Canadian mix. I'm assuming the British police force threw him out because of his incompetence and he emigrated to Canada. 😤
UK police sucks though.. In my case they havent even tried to get evidence from relevant places, meaning the person who did it is sadly still walking around my town
@Harvest Crops I don't know why you think constitutional rights matter any more than other rights.
Police cannot enter our home without a warrant or probable cause that a crime is occuring then and there, same as you. Only difference is when they enter our homes unannounced they don't shoot us and our family. No one in the UK has died from a wellness check, unlike America.
Peterscraps honestly lying is probably a good thing. You can call out the interrogators when they lie if you are innocent. Only an innocent person would know that video evidence would prove their innocence. If you can call out the police on their lies then you strengthen your defense.
The cops in Europe are less corrupt than in the US and the rest of the world, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the Eurocops are perfect, but they're still the best there is. (And they don't shoot us, nice bonus)
@Reynolds Kynaston Except that isn't your interrogation video, it's the police's and they can use it as they please. Calling out their lies doesn't help prove your innocence, it just gives you a chance to mess up. The only good thing you can do to prove your innocence against the police is get a lawyer to do it for you.
@Way Too old for this Had the same, got attacked with a weapon in the street all on CCTV, police refused to talk to me, refused to look at evidence which is a crime that can easily get them 12 months in jail and then fabricated the report to cover it up, in fact my town Harrogate in nationally famous for covering up crimes.
@John H I would rather it be illegal (not a huge punishment though) for saying something outright racist in a public place or forum, but have cops who cannot lie and entrap us during an investigation, than have the freedom to say racist shit but have super dodgy cops who can lie to you lol... You really that bothered that ya cant say racist or homophobic shit on twitter or whatever? Just dont be racist in public and you will be fine lmao
@DorrisGonnaWreckyou Problem is everyone wants their own little slice of tyranny, but when put together with everyone else's, you end up with the whole cake.
surprises me that that sort of interrogation and treatment of a suspect would happen in Canada which is very often held up as a country where individual rights (even for the guilty) are respected.
@Chad Kvænan Don't know about the situation in Canada, but in the UK, a commonwealth citizen (Candian, Australian, New Zealander, Fijian and so on) can work in the British Government from Civil Service (including the Police) to the Military. You can even stand in the office as a commonwealth citizens without getting British Citizenship.
In the PACE act in the UK does not only just outlaw Police lying to the suspect, but also limited the scope of the interview.
For example. If i were accused of killing a person in a bar, they can present fact that if my face was captured in the CCTV of the bar (ie, show you the photo or screen capture) but they cannot say "Hey, I got your face on the CCTV" if they were to make an accusation, they will need to back up with fact. If they do that and they cannot show you evidence of said thing happen, they are violating PACE act and that will have legal consequence.
Also, they cannot show you a CCTV footage of you 100 miles away from the crime scene, as that is irrevelent to the case
@crowtservo No. It’s a member of the commonwealth. The queen is their monarch but that is about where it ends. The UK is just England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Great Britain (GB) is England, Wales and Scotland. The British Isles is all of the above plus Ireland as a whole.
@Kenneth McClain but it can also garner false admissions of guilt under duress, especially in young and vulnerable people. Remember the Central Park five?
@Mostly Toasty Definitely not in the UK. Terminology was all wrong, we would say ‘solicitor’ not lawyer etc. We also can’t hold people for more than 24hrs without charge, and we can’t charge without evidence.
@Harvest Crops police can’t enter your home without a warrant signed by a judge or they are invited in. You can defend yourself, recently a pensioner stabbed a burglar to death and he is as free as a bird. Laws against hate speech are a good thing - it’s not nice having lots of people being able to preach hate in the streets. And we don’t have lawyers - we have solicitors and barristers.
@Peterscraps Bro i moved to Holland from the UK and the Dutch police don't (or barely) look into crime. If you report rape, getting kicked off a bicycle, or a fight breaking out at the local supermarket, the police will tell you not to bother filing a report. I think it's unofficially part of their semi-official ''tolerance policy'' which constitutes not prosecuting people for smoking cannabis but in reality seems to extend to all sorts of fine mess.
Also there's only one flavour of crisps and it's paprika. Don't get me started on the greed. I tried to be polite i tried to be apologetic (in true British fashion) i even tried adopting / embracing their culture but after 20 years of this shit it would be inhumanely indecent of me not to reject these repulsive ''qualities''. I must speak up about it because it seems these are not problems they are solving themselves.
To get the point across: It is not me who is saying the Dutch are greedy. It is literally the Dutch themselves who call themselves greedy. They are proud of it. The customer is always screwed over in Holland.
And when it comes to crime the Dutch have great crime statistics, after a decade it had finally dawned on me that this is perhaps due to a policy of ''turning a blind eye'' to others misfortune.
Just look at how Holland faired in the second world war. How many jews were deported from the UK? Not a single one if i recall correctly.
It gets worse the more you look into it. The core politics. Holland was practically secondary Germany or at the very least, considered as such. UK received ARTILLERY from Den Haag (The Hague) where all the ''rich'' Dutch politicans live. One must wonder how a ''neutral'' state in a time of war would allow the aggressor to bomb their neighbours from their own territory.
When you consider Holland literally had their own National Socialist party (which helped the nazis, and had a considerable following in the Netherlands itself) and a considerable number of Dutch people had betrayed the Jewish in hiding for nothing more than financial compensation it begs the question of where the line is drawn in terms of morality. More could be said about the matter but actually thinking about it disgusts me.
I have tried being apolegetic but how do you apologeticize a culture that literally prides itself on the claim of being the worlds greediest culture?!?
Of course you think to yourself, it can't be that bad. You say, you don't think they are greedy (out of respect) and they tell you that you don't understand. It is like they want you to call them greedy, as a compliment. Isn't that weird?
So after about a decade you get it. The entire economy in this country is based around screwing eachother (usually the end user / client / customer) over as much as possible. As a result everything is too expensive and you're always gettings scammed as a consumer. (better read those fine prints, else risk becoming one of the 33% of households that is in debt or had their bank accounts literally impounded by debt collectors) Yes apparently it's possible to have your bank account taken away from you in Holland and it's not too uncommon really.
Oh and if someone owes you money then threats of violence or whatever are seemingly acceptable i.e ''tolerated'' in ''the Netherlands''.
I can't explain it. I wish i could be apologetic about this. It feels like hell living here. And they hate everything foreign. Seriously. They don't learn from other cultures (yet call themselves, seemingly reluctantly, a ''melting pot''). But they do make their own (fake) versions of foreign food. Remember Indian curries? Well the Dutch HATE spicy food, so you can (only) get a tikka masala that has sugar instead of spice. Hot indian curries simply do not exist in Holland (and they are supposed to be a so called spice nation. I believe everything they claim to be is a mere fantasy to be honest with you).
Remember salt and vinegar crisps? Wish i could. They recently came up with their own version it tastes like piss. The problem being: they literally watered down the vinegar, probably to save on production costs. They don't like giving value for money.
Currently contemplating wether or not to let my citizenship simply expire (due to brexit) and move back to the UK. I can't really find a good reason to stay here, other than that i made it so far. (sunken cost fallacy, fml).
Wish i could explain how crooked this place really is cause i've also contemplated fucking suicide over this, only to remember that other countries actually exist outside of this one.
1/3 of households are in debt here. That should tell you enough. Should i tell you that the police will break into your home and allow the debt collectors to clear out your entire homes' worth of inventory? They're allowed to take HARD DRIVES from your computer too! Without wiping them! It all then gets sold on a private auction for less than it's actually worth and there's no regulating agencies to check wether this is anything like a fair process.
In the UK a bailliff ain't allowed a foot inside your house or even look at your window the wrong way, unless you've really, really made a mess out of thing. But no, in Holland you miss A SINGLE PAYMENT on a telecom bill and suddenly there's a man coming to tax the entire house that your family lives in. I wish i was joking but that is what happens. The nazis are still operating in Holland, stealing peoples stuff, clothes and jewelry, that sort of thing.
And i'm also not joking about nazis. Holland is / was a brother country to Germany. Many Nazis moved to Holland. Probably many more decided to stay after Germany literally lost the war.
Man everything the Dutch tell you is a lie. They're not ''greedy'' when greed is bad, they're ''frugal'' or ''zuinig''. But they're not even frugal. They are quite wasteful. I don't get it. Everything they tell you about their country is a fucking lie. ''We have low crime rates'' Yeah especially when crime is openly tolerated or not even reported because the attitude of the police is to never see a problem (let alone solve it). Don't bother reporting. Not even if you have been mugged.
Out of the many times i have literally called the police in Holland the amount of times they looked into the problem was 0. That's not an insignificant statistic.
But no lets all listen to the Dutch propaganda telling us how wonderful it is that the Dutch are sooooo tolerant (of the wrong things, i.e: crime) and open (which means being unapologetically rude) and have such a great progressive drug policy (weed is literally illegal in Holland, but there is a semi official and highly hypocritical blind eye policy regarding it) and such low crime statistics (because people are disencouraged from actually reporting crime, which obviously keeps the statistics very low)
And let's not forget what a wonderful ''melting pot'' culture they are (they're racist.) With good old ancient traditions such as ''Black Pete'' which is definitely not racist because the Dutch people cannot see a single problem with their own traditions. Doing so would be admitting that the Dutch have problems and Dutch people generally don't do that.
They are such a great melting pot culture that they have no idea how to cook foreign food for the life of them. How does this get by the average Dutch citizen? How do you not look at the ''foreign'' food and realize this is not what they are eating outside of Holland?
Just don't mention words like corruption (never heard of it, doesn't happen here!) to a Dutch person or actually point out that a quality they are so proud of having is actually a bad thing. (because they will find a way to justify it)
And i am terribly sorry if this all comes across as rude but in that same regard i must say i have adopted this ''directness'' from the Dutch themselves. I am still having a hard time adapting to it, but i guess their culture must annoy themselves to such a point of frustration that they too, cannot maintain a level of eloquence talking about the matters.
@William Barnes Granted, you've never known true democracy in your entire lifespan but still that's now how it works. In a democratic process, you should be able to confide in those who choose to uphold the virtues of your society. If not, then why are you even putting these people in places of authority? It is absurd.
@A.C G In the example you made, no lie was made. The honest defense to such an honest statement (again, as you claim no lie was made, therefore the claim is 100% sanctioned) would be ''Where did you have me on cctv'' or ''that is fortunate, for it will prove my innocence''.
Even if the police believe it is you on the camera who did the crime (but it is not) then the correct speech for this would be: ''We believe it is you who is on the camera doing the crime''. When they say things such as ''it IS you who committed the crime on camera'' when the truth is you did not do such a thing, then an actual LIE as a statement or claim is made.
There's quite a clear line to be drawn here. And ofcourse the police can use mind games to aid in interrogation. That's what an interrogation is for...
I don't think you can compare this with what we just saw in the video. In Canada you can apparently just make stuff up, like ''we have your fingerprints on the stolen hardware''. I don't know how ethical this is, but i am sure at the least, the suspect MUST know the police are ALLOWED to lie in interrogation. Like, it should be part of their Miranda rights over there. I.E ''you have the right to remain silent, you also have the right to be lied to in face of interrogation''.
I mean i could just see myself easily agreeing to someone elses lie in an event of perhaps say, i had drank too much beer, or, it had been a significant time ago. I mean if an investigator says to me ''1 year ago you at spaghetti'' I would literally tell him that it isn't impossible. But i don't eat spaghetti often, so it may also be unlikely. There's maybe too many variables in something like this as process. If your job is pursuing the truth, should you be using dishonesty to achieve such? Doesn't a fictional account add a layer of confusion to such a pursuit?
Lying to achieve the truth. It seems a bit counterintuitive, or perhaps even purpose defeating.
But no in your example above. If the police did indeed see you on CCTV then a truthful statement (regardless of what happened on the CCTV) would be ''We saw you on the CCTV (that day)''. So this line of questioning / interrogation is a valid form of discourse for deriving truth (from interrogation). It is a prompt, i.e the interrogatee must come with a response to assumably justify his appearance on CCTV (in that case, a truth, fact, cannot be denied)
I doubt the British police force is comprised of individuals who ask interrogative questions simply ''for no reason''. I.E: if you are being told they saw you on CCTV, then it is likely they want to know why you were near the crime or some other factor of relevance.
@Keith Bentley I'm allowed to be wrong. and even if he came on this thread and said hey im 100% English. i would have to agree. but just because south africa isn't a common wealth like our great nations. the accent originated in the UK regardless. i just so happen to be on my 4th south African doctor . south Africans are very common in canada. but end of the day id rather talk about how the RCMP are more crooked than the criminals. either way cheers to the common wealth friend may canzuk unite our nations as one.
@Simon Simon you foiled my plot to falsely declare my nationality. Now I have to figure out another way to insert the genetically modified neo monarchy into global power. if only I had agreed with my fellow Youtube commenters.
@Nate Stokes No way in hell that's a Kiwi lol. I say this as a Kiwi/Saffa. That man is not From NZ, Aus or S.A and is almost 100% from England however could potentially be from Wales or even Scotland. There isn't a chance in Hell he's from NZ or South Africa.
@Vekoma1261 Again, This man is 100% from the U.K There's no way in Hell he's South African, Kiwi (at least those two I kind of understand even though they're obviously wrong) or Aussie (seriously, Aussie?).
@Simon Simon There's no way he's an aussie because surely an aussie would be able to tell the difference between what is clearly an english accent devoid of any South-African tinges.
@Vegan Pete Not quite correct. The British did colonise it yonks ago but it's not like you have parts or a part of the country that is 'British' There are people with English lineage yes, they're reffered to as english South-africans but just like Aus, Canada, NZ and many others They do not have an English accent...Going even further, A South-African accent sounds almost nothing like an english one. Someone saying he's had 4 South-African doctors yet he can't pick what clearly is not a S.A accent is absurd. Eng Accent genuinely sounds closer to NZ accent than S.A.
@crowtservo It's part of the Commonwealth, which is a colonial relic from the heydays of the British Empire. Nations that are part of the Commonwealth are technically constitutional monarchies. The Queen is their sovereign but for all intents and purposes they are sovereign nations. Just whenever they pass laws, they have to receive "royal assent" from a delegate of the Crown. But this is perfunctory and done as a matter of course.
My neighbor accused me of having my dog poop on his lawn and not cleaning it up. He said he had cameras installed and video of it. Ive never let my dog poop on his lawn and I carry a bag for each walk just in case. Its so infuriating to have someone tell you they have video of something you didn't do.
Hannah Whittle But they routinely do illegally enter homes without a warrant. They only have to claim “reasonable suspicion” or misuse section 17 and others.
@Threewulphmoon canada = america its all the same, its not even a real place anyway. Its just where they set movies. Its like saying "far far away" or "a faraway land"; they mean the same thing. nobody is ever going to go to those places anyway, so who care? Only people who yake their fiction too seriously, in which case they need to get out more
You guys are deluded about the uk police. They hide evidence, lie to get a conviction, side with supposed 'victim's and remand people with no evidence...when put before a judge it is done by video link where you are stopped from talking and this all upheld by a corrupt legal system where defence lawyers drink coffee with prosecutors before trial. Those on remand often lose families, jobs, houses and when found innocent and let out after remand they are let out to homelessness....the uk criminal justice system is more corrupt than America. At least in america you can get better legal representation to appeal and fight injustice...in this country the police investigate themselves making it almost impossible to have things overturned without money.
@Julz furthermore i ain't no cop fam, i'm currently awaiting sentencing yo 😂 its gonna be my second time being banged up so trust i ain't never getting in the police force 😂
@Violence Is Fun what are you going on about....how are people not educated on the corruption of our criminal system...they are educated and they are deluded because they choose to believe otherwise.... stop trying to win argument with non sensicle drivel....goodbye...
It makes perfect sense why also - If police can lie they can essentially strong arm and pressure innocent people into giving confessions under duress and the supposed threat of a harsh sentence and jail time. It's a common tactic in the US to force confessions and have innocent people accept a plea deal when they're confronted with the possibility of a harsh sentence for something they did not do. Not everyone is able to afford good representation or are knowledgeable enough to effectively maintain their innocence under such stressful circumstances. And as this video mentioned, because obtaining confessions is highly rewarding, the police are then motivated to use these tactics and to force convictions. When the objective is to simply arrest and convict rather than to ensure that justice is properly served, the police and the criminal justice system are warped into something unrecognisable to justice.This is one of many reasons why the USA has by far the highest incarceration rate in the world, you can imagine how a system which doesn't focus on catching the real criminals but simply looks to have anyone convicted for a crime would suffer greatly in this aspect. Several or even dozens of innocent people may be arrested before the true perpetrator is found, and if they pleaded guilty under duress to avoid a harsh sentence in many cases they will not be exonerated. Minorities, the poor, disenfranchised, and the vulnerable are often the victims of these kinds of tactics.
@hbghawaii Here in Ontario I have seen a couple officers with accents but I'm not sure if they started out as cops over in their native countries or immigrated then became police.
@crowtservo - Not really. Canada is a country independent of the Uk, but recognizes the British monarchy, although Queen Elizabeth has no actual power over Canada.
@Peterscraps there is a huge difference from holding a suspect for 24 hours and charging someone with a crime and putting them in a cell. Still, the detective usually has to request the person stay in jail that long unless their system is clogged up.
UK has healthcare and ambulances dont cost so much. Also their jails werent so full there they had to release a bunch of criminals. How does the US still have a population? I moved out a wihle ago lmaoo.
@crowtservo no. Its the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. (GB being England, Scotland and Wales). Canada is part of the Commonwealth
on top of that the black guyt that got arrested said that he told the officers when he got arrested that he just off the bus and that the bus driver was a witness that he just got off the bus so there was no way he was robbing the jewelry store and still they were arrogant enough to not even look into the lead that he provided them with.
@Lucky Louise exactly. What op said is the most subjective thing ever lmao. "Oh, in my country, cops dont lie and burglers always knock before entering!"
@Violence Is Fun Not technically a "lie" to say that, I guess. It certainly could imply that they've confessed some sort of guilt, but "everything" could really mean anything.
@William Barnes I'd say that more than half of the American population doesn't know this: first of all, half of the country is Republican or otherwise conservative, for them cops are "the good guys", also, they see the cop TV shows and think that if you're innocent cops are your friends.
@Robotron Sage Hi, I'm from Italy and your comment about the Netherlands was an intetesting read.
Asde from their coronavirus recovery fund shenanigans and the shady way EMA's headquarters were relocated to Amsterdam instead of Milan, I remember that when a group of Dutch hooligans damaged one of our monuments their government didn't even apoplogized, the foreign minister said that it was (somehow) our fault.
P. S. Come to Italy, while I'm afraid that our police is not much better than the Duch one, at least people is generally nicer.
the messed up part is the celebratory tone that this channel and some of its viewers take when that same manipulation is used against guilty peoples. That's why it's so enabled, because the people are fine with the emotional toll inflicted on already emotionally vulnerable people as long as it indulges their twisted sense of justice from time to time
Lol you all mad at the wrong people here, the police are like messaging birds. Attacking them gets you no where, its the government who lets this happen you should be mad at.
@Matthew Wehri can't trust criminals either cause if they attack us and we defend ourselves and they turn out to be undercover cops after the fact we're fucked
@Jon H yeah but undercover cops aren't supposed to stop people in the street because they "match" some dodgy description of a purported dangerous felon without identifying themselves as police first (James King incident)
@Violence Is Fun the police force is the best place to be a felon cause they'll never convict you of a felony unless it's so bad it garners local media attention (ex: Timothy Runnels who tased a kid to death and the EMTs had to revive him)
@Peterscraps You might believe that but its false, the police can dawdle about and maliciously investigate people. Suspects are left in jail over a weekend and their next of kin are not informed. I follow a guy who was arrested in Scotland, single father and they didn't even tell anyone to pick up his son.
@Harvest Crops "Cops can enter your home" False. Unless you've been charged with an indictable offence the cops cannot enter your home in the UK. The problem is whether the police follow the law, they don't in the UK and they don't in the US; accountability of enforcement is the main weakness in the justice system and its re-enforced by the cozy relationship courts and state governments have with each other.
As a Brit I'd heard the rule that you don't answer questions from cops in America without first speaking to a lawyer and always thought to myself "wow that's a really defensive and unnecessary precaution - when you're innocent, just answer questions as you have nothing to hide, surely". Then I researched US law and started seeing videos like this and thought "wow the system is fucked up in the US, no wonder you're advised to keep your mouth shut".
@YourPalHDee I feel your pain man, I have also been let down when I was 18 and was forced to accept a caution for a crime I never committed, no interview was done for it and it was the only thing on my record. The police in the UK don't seem to care about the book or evidence, or doing things properly and there are terrible people who work as officers honestly.
@kc B - Tell then what? That Eurocops are comparitively less corrupt than the ones from most other countries? That's not exactly a controversial opinion...
That must be a new thing, because when i was being interviewed, about 15 years ago, they told me they had me on CCTV. I denied it to the end, and then the police couldnt even find enough evidence to send it to court.
Lying to get the truth out of a suspect it's perfectly fine. If he's guilty, he may confess. If he's not, he'll simply deny everything and, since it's a lie, it won't hold up and they'll be released.
@Violence Is Fun an interrogator should lead a suspect to stumble on his words and retract things he has said to clearly show the truth told isn't truthful and is made on the spot or thought up with, fabricated. To emotionally extort someone to make them think there is no hope for them won't make someone confess because they'd still try just for the sake of it since they got nothing to lose. To someone innocent it will just extort them into nerovisty that might make them falsely admit or stress them out in the answers.
The police in the UK can legally arrest you and hold you for 14 days without charge if they want to by claiming that you're suspected of terrorist related activities (which could be something as innocent as handing out specific printed information, or having visited a number of different websites). So, although you might like to think that the police couldn't just turn up to your house and whisk you away for a fortnight without even charging you , the fact is that they can And if your name is Mohammed, and you're a Muslim, then they probably do.
hello Peterscraps I am JCS but believe it or not i am not linked to this channel. I got my name from TF2 which should make me cooler than the other JCS channel. make sure to say hi back for i will become happier if you do.
I heard that in uk refusing to answer questions can be used against you. Is that true? In the US you can say "I will remain silent until I see my lawyer. I want to see my lawyer" or something like that.
@Dj alemão im from new york. our police protested claims of police brutality by saying they were following orders. you know, the exact defense used in the nuremberg trials.
@Harvest Crops "You guys don't even have constitutional rights" that's because the UK doesn't have a codified constitution - the UK operates under common law, instead of being limited to an unchanging constitution. The US operates under a similar system: even the first amendment could be repealed if it got a supermajority against it (which would probably never happen). In the same way, public pressure would (probably) stop free speech from being violated by parliament.
A quick Google search says that police can only enter your house if they have a search warrant (and if the evidence is false, you could probably claim damages for said warrant), or if you're suspected of a serious crime (because, shock horror, a terrorist isn't going to open the door to the police and have a nice chat). I agree hate speech laws are stupid, but it's not a violation of free speech. Free speech only applies to the speech against the government, and you can call the government whatever you like.
Living in America , we are taught that the police could take our lives at any time , so it’s best to Be submissive and overly respectful when u meet them on the street.
@Running Production In the United Kingdom, citizens of all 53 Commonweath countries are treated as if they are British citizens, provided they have permanent residence [unlimited leave to remain]. They can vote in all elections, stand in all elections, join the police, civil service, defence forces, etc. Irish citizens also have all those rights, plus there is complete freedom of movement between UK and Ireland. Irish citizens are considered "settled" as soon as they arrive, and eligible for NHS, benefits, etc from day one.
@Hannah Whittle Traditionally the geographical expression "British Isles" included all of those islands, but the Irish don't like it, so it is more usual to say "GB and Ireland" rather than the British Isles.
@Redmond MacDonagh It doesn’t really matter if the Irish’s feeling are hurt in honesty. It’s still the British Isles as the correct term to refer to it as a whole. If you just said Great Britain and Ireland you will have missed out all the other little islands like the IOM etc that aren’t in GB but are in the British Isles. Just because they don’t like it doesn’t make it true.
@Redmond MacDonagh Think that's ""Indefinite Leave to Remain" unless Home Office changed its name.
But yes, I have a few Australian and Canadian friend who went to the UK to served in the British Army, you dont actually need a ILR to get a government job there actaully, as long as you have enough stay in your visa (And they generally extend it if you are aplying for a governmental job) you only needed to be a Commonwealth CItizen.
Here the police doesn't need a warrant. Finland that is. It's just a phone call to their superior and they can kick your door down. They smell weed way too often.
also were so lucky to have the entrapment law. like that dillia case uk police would have arrested her soon as they new she had even mentioned having her husband killed. where as in the us they set up a whole case using a fake undercover officer posed as a hitman and then called her on the day telling her to return home as he had been killed. the us police will literally make a case as serious as they can and allow you to hang yourself long before letting you o there in on the whole thing. its nothing but a "SET UP' and that should be illegal everywhere as it is here. just like when the trick people in to fake drug deals its all about the officers gaining promotion by making a case more serious than it already is
@BRICKTOP Entrapment is not legal in the US either....You cannot "Set Up" your mark if you gone undercover. And there are a very narrow way to target on what you can achieve, both coercion and "stick and carrot" method are not allowed. However, you are allowed to lied (well, the whole undercover operation is based on lies anyway)
Undercover Work is actaully quite similar between US and UK, actually, come to think of it, UK and Canada have a more lax undercover law that allow a certain degree of tactics to get the target, including the notorious Mr Big method, also, If i reember correctly, "Stick and Carrot" are allowed in the UK .
Sadly, it is legal. I dont know what type of fucked up law this comes from, but the Police are allowed to/ some encourage using deception or trickery to get a confession out of the defendant. On the flip side, You can be arrested and charged if the cops think you're lying to them. Falls under Class B misdemeanor to “knowingly” make a “false statement” to a police officer if it is considered “material to a criminal investigation.” Ridiculous, in my opinion.
@Jacob Parrekar Ok, but don't say sadly it's legal or it's a fucked up law. I got bagged by police because they they said I was caught on cameras. I had no clue I was ratted out. If I knew that I would have been able to go home that night. So it never became a drawn out investigation. Thankfully I became a better person.
8 years later I walked into the precinct and thanked them.
@SuperBROKEN81 Perhaps. But theres always two ways of looking at things. I cant argue with your logic, because it does make sense as well. But judging from a more humane point of view, I dont consider that a very fair play. But whatever floats their boats i guess? Good on you for reforming
@jbearmike96 Of course they laughed. So? Interrogation is a game. Yeah I thanked them. WTF They saved my life and no one even knew. I learned 2 years in that I had a hit squad hiding in my apt. Funny thing is dudes on the street talk more then women.
@jbearmike96 I have no clue if your trolling. I just know you never did dirt and honestly I thought you were an SJW. I was willing to tell my experience being locked up. I only met 1 guy that I thought was innocent. That's why people left him alone . Same tactics in the video, guy caved because the detectives offered him a deal. 10 years with good behavior. So he confessed to something he never did.
He was released when the person got bagged. Keven never even got money because he confessed in 5 hours. I find that bullshit, but it is what it is.
@Jacob Parrekar That's why I don't understand why people still talk to the police without a lawyer present. JUst ask for a lawyer when this happens and they are required by law to provide you one (public defender).
@Remzi Cavdar Requesting a state appointed attorney is the dumbest thing you could do after being arrested. No one wants to spend time locked up waiting for a public defender. Its safe to assume that in a situation like this the average person would trust that they can quickly absolve themselves by pleading their case with the cops.
I think it's only if they already know enough about the crime or have enough evidence. They can't just say out of nowhere that they have stuff if they don't. For example, there was one case where there were three suspects. The officers told the one suspect who did commit the murder that the other two already confessed, even though they didn't. That made the murderer confess since he believed his buddies did, too. That's the right way to do it. What the officer did in this video is appalling and not true to justice at all, so it was right that he was demoted.
@PolySciWhy? sure, until you realize the issue isn't about "people's feelings". it's about highly strategic emotional and psychological manipulation tactics used during an extremely high-stress, likely even traumatic, situation. police are taught to manipulate the suspect in any way necessary, as long as it results in a confession. if the cops think you did it? then you did it. reality be damned, they found an answer they like and they'll do what it takes to make that answer into the new reality. just go look up the innocence project. or literally any case like the one in this video where the accused is later exonerated. coerced confessions and many, many other wrongfully incriminating results come from this very manipulation tactic that police use. it's far more common than you think. innocent until proven guilty, an arrest does not denote guilt. coercing a confession is wrong regardless of the suspect.
@max was here im a grown man almost 50. Im well aware it happens sometimes. But i fully support it for murder cases. Because it works. Look at every video in this playlist. They all used it to get confessions. Had they not those killers would be free.
@SuperBROKEN81 It is 'sadly'. Dishonesty be in any aspect doesn't lead to truth, and if you think them lying here is ok, are you also ok with them lying in court about you?
@tabularasa Let me take this in steps. Obviously I'm trying to write in a format with a higher education level than I actually have.
Concerning the video and the empathy, if I really think about it, no. They caved. Is it messed up that they are going to get locked up, yes.
As a person that lived in Central Booking, I've seen rapists, murderers and pedophiles. Going into rikers Island, same crap. Going upstate, same song and dance.
They all got bagged using the same techniques that we seen in the video.
In the video, I don't know what the detectives were actually thinking. Did they honestly believe the guy was guilty? One guy never committed a crime in his life while another guy was always getting locked up.
Actually, I do feel bad for the first guy. Not the second guy. His life choices put him into that situation.
I didn't feel any particular way when I was myself put into this type of situation, that was multiple times. I only got locked up when I actually did it.
Getting locked up is the equivalent of becoming a doctor.
@Jacob Parrekar Yep that's right, and it's an area where reform is needed. If an innocent person becomes convinced there's evidence against them, and that their conviction is assured in spite of their innocence, they may enter a false confession and guilty plea in order to minimize the impact on their lives. For example, if the crime carried a sentence of 5 years in prison, but could be plead down to two years probation and community service, an innocent person may be persuaded to accept guilt in order to avoid prison. They would be haunted by a criminal record for the rest of their lives, and the actual guilty party would walk free. It's the sort of injustice that shouldn't occur in a society which prides itself on sound jurisprudence.
@SuperBROKEN81 Sadly your opinion on prison is exactly that, an opinion, the largest portion of prisoners in the state and federal system are drug offenders, NOT violent or sexual offenders. Since its official beginning in the 1980s, the number of Americans incarcerated for drug offenses has skyrocketed from 40,900 in 1980 to 430,926 in 2019. Furthermore, harsh sentencing laws such as mandatory minimums keep many people convicted of drug offenses in prison for longer periods of time: in 1986, people released after serving time for a federal drug offense had spent an average of 22 months in prison. By 2004, people convicted on federal drug offenses were expected to serve almost three times that length: 62 months in prison.
At the federal level, people incarcerated on a drug conviction make up nearly half the prison population. At the state level, the number of people in prison for drug offenses has increased nine-fold since 1980, although it has begun declining in recent years. Most are not high-level actors in the drug trade, and most have no prior criminal record for a violent offense.
Furthermore, about one adults in three will use drugs, and just about all of them will NOT have problems with addiction....that's right, the overwhelming majority of drug users never become addicts, and even the ones that DO become addicted should NOT be criminalized, because it's a medical issue....and this isn't "SJW" stuff you whatever shortcut to thinking you want to take, this is literally medical consensus among the medical community....do we lock up obese people for overeating? Do we lock up diabetics who continue to eat sugary foods? Hell, we don't even punish people who get heart transplants and continue to eat diets high in cholesterol, the reason why they needed the transplant to begin with, so how is it justified with substance addiction? It can't be justified with medical science, that's for sure.
While I'm no armchair psychologist, you display many of the characteristics of Authoritarian Personality type, namely an obsession with punishment, a belief that we live in a black and white world where things are either altogether good or altogether evil, a belief that without coercion people would be rampantly murdering and raping each other....I'm going to go ahead and guess you're a trump supporter, probably proclaim to be religious, probably christian, though you probably have very little knowledge or care for the actual teaching of jesus such as forgiveness, compassion, love, humility, etc and merely see religion as a tool for power and to control people, you probably think "politics" is a conspiratorial plot, probably perpetrated by liberals to get "you" or those who think like you, probably have never spent anytime thinking about how you've become the person you are, probably had at least one dominating and repressive parent, though more likely a dominating parent and a submissive one to instill in you the characteristic of "authoritarian submission" (blindly submitting to established authority)....and I don't say this to be insulting, but this is literally what all the peer-reviewed research into Authoritarianism has shown people like you believe...the point is, if you're going to make grandiose, blanket statement, best back them up with facts and research....unless facts are too "sjw" for you and you only operate on emotions like a snowflake
That's why you always get a lawyer...Any lawyer worth their retainer is going to know that %80 of what Police say is a lie, and know how to reveal their bluff...
@Brent Farvors using lies for "personal gain" is just lying. Gaslighting is quite specific in that involves a sort of "manipulation" where you make people doubt themselves and lower their confidence in order to make them more reliant on you for decision making. Most commonly it's done through making people doubt their memory. Hence the name. Saying you have evidence against someone who knows themselves to be innocent isn't gaslighting, because the prosecutor thinks the guy actually did it. This is a common misconception that people do where they make it more similar to lying so not like it's a big deal, but it's important to keep them distinct
@SuperBROKEN81 Maybe you didn't catch the part where the interrogated black man was awarded nearly $50,000 for this level of disingenuous persecution and that every officer involved in this disgrace was let go without pay. Apparently the judge and anyone with common, ethical sense disagrees with your defense of lying and conjuring up false witnesses just to send a scapegoat to prison. You've also ignored the fact that one actually went to prison for two years and you're still defending that shit. Ever occur to you that maybe with that kind of thinking you should have stayed in prison a little longer than you did?
@Chris Lennon Damn! That was actually pretty good. It's nice to know there's people out there that actually know the data and the inconsistencies and even criminal protocols of our sad legal system. But honestly, if you keep making logical arguments like that most of the heads on this stream are going to explode from having to face their cognitive dissonance.
@tabularasa oh dude... if you said that hundreds, or thousands of people are wrongfully incarcerated, maybe your entire comment would be worth something ... hundreds of thousands, really?!? Are you serious? Who tf beleives that shit?? Is that statistics from some "organisation's" website, or is it from real life? Get a grip.
@Mofo McAssy ...I don't mean to be rude (like you have been to me)-- but have you ever taken a history class? Do you know how many thousands of years humans have been locking each other up? When I say that "there are hundreds of thousands of innocent people that have been wrongly imprisoned," that's probably a low estimate. Humans are absolutely rotten and cruel when it comes to doling out punishment. How about we add in the number of people who have been wrongly imprisoned and then wrongly executed? We'd be in the millions. Think about the second World War. Think about the colonial era. Imperialism is devastating to human life, absolute carnage. There has been so much injustice, enslavement, death-- and the habits die hard. It continues to this day. Go "get a grip" yourself. And go read a history book.
@tabularasa okay, I do apologise, I thought you were referring to a number of people that are wrongfully imprisoned right now in the US... That said... Your comments are a weltschmerz cry... topic discussed is a modern day police interrogation ways, and you are talking about a total number of wrongfully incarcerated people in history, in ww2, because you think you look smart..? You are involving political and war imrisonments, and comparing them to "regular" modern day criminal ones..? And yes, all those things are very related, the past and the present, because they are a part of human nature, I do know.. but, we could broaden the subject in so many different ways, and the fact is your comments are a bit useless- u used a lot of words, to defend wrongful imprisonment, in all the wrong ways.. It really doesn't matter if you or I were rude in the comment section on a YouTube video, either. It's still not a crime to be 😉
@Mofo McAssy Ugh, I'd love to leave this one alone, but here you're saying that I "used a lot of words to defend wrongful imprisonment"? WTF. How does an idea so wrong spring forth? You really should have stopped writing after your apology. I would have accepted that and moved on. The subject is not broadened. I made a general statement of fact. You yourself have acknowledged its relevance to human nature. The end. Or at least it should have been. Yet you go on to insult me anyway. You have mastered the "useless" comment, congratulations
It is perfectly reasonable to trick a suspect. If the suspect is quilty then they have to make up lies and making up lies can land you in a position where you forgot the lie you told before. Tricking suspect to run around in circles constantly repeating the lies creates potential situations where they slip up.
@SuperBROKEN81 How do you discredit data, that suggests that conservatives ideas may be the result of a lower IQ and therefore lesser genetic quality, considering that we see a correlation between higher levels of education which is indicative of higher IQs and left leaning voting behavior.
@Luke P true dat...it wouldn't work on myself but time and time again...stories of innocent people takin someone else's case is insane to me. Good point tho. Most people don't even know they can walk out anytime and end the interrogation as long as they haven't been arrested.
It usually helps to bring out the truth faster. If the suspect (who is guilty, unlike in this case) thinks that there’s already enough evidence to prove that they’re guilty, they’ll probably just confess. there wouldn’t be any point to fight, right? but the way and innocent person handles it is different.
@Jacob Parrekar ah yes lets not allow gaslighting to fucked up criminals can get past by simply not being lied to. Its the same vibe as believing undercover cops have to tell you they are a cop
@Jacob Parrekar can I just comment on how civilized your debate was? Just the two of you, from the first few comments, were able to present your information and thoughts on a matter without personally attacking the other person and were also willing to give deeper thought into what the other person had to say. That is a rarity on the internet, I salute you.
It is inhumane. I got picked up by police when i was 17 and i had no clue what for until they shoved pictures of a severely beaten up blind guy in front of my face and told me they had evidence of me robbing the guy. I thought my life was over then and there and i was looking for ways out. They've deliberately put me into a mental state of fight and flight when this was totally unnecessary and it could have cost lifes as my mind went to all worst places possible like taking the officer's gun and trying to shoot my way out or die trying but there's no way im gonna sit idly by when people drag my families' name trough the dirt like that. Police done me dirty before, creating situations where they could fine me for nonsense, lying, allowing my ex boss to steal from me and refusing to file a report against him.. Absolute scumbags
@Kultmannen Kultmannen No. Thats simply not true. Innocent people do not confess to murder. And furthermore the accusations dont always bring charges w out evidence
@PolySciWhy? You could atleast try to check it out before you dismiss it.
Many convicts of murder that are being exhonerated in the USA, now that DNA evidence can clear som people. Among those, statistics show +20% had confessed to the crime. Despite muany years later being proven innocent.
Granted that also has to do with the fact that you in the USA can get a more leniant sentence if you plead guilty. Which is also a problem, making ppl confess even when they didn´t do the crime, in hopes of not getting life-or death.
Are you familliar with the Milgram experiment by any chance? That experiment should tell you what it is possible to coerce a normal human to do, with the combination of pressure and authority.
The experiment, showed that in 1 hour, you could get 80% of people to kill another human being. Simply by using authroity, pressure, and putting them in a specific situaiton. Read about it, it will open your eyes to how fragile we are to outside pressure.
I understand it completely but think It should only be used in high-profile cases. In the case of Jennier (I don't know the last name, I apologize) she read told they have Satalite footage of inside the house on the day of a murder case, witch eventually led to her confessing to murdering her mother in cold blood. I think it falls under the category of intimidating and helplessness. Really only high profile cases should use it, but this defiantly shows the importance of having a lawer, kids. Having someone sit beside you keeps you calm, knowing they are on your side and can call out the bullshit of the interagators.
@Jerk Of All Trades Innocents have nothing to fear from this strategy. Like michael in the video, just express your innocence and the strategy will fall apart.
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Michael McGee2022-01-05 23:15:05 (edited 2022-01-05 23:16:35 )
@Aloysius Devander Abercrombie But but it happened to SuperBroken81 once and he claims he's the better person for it, so deceit must be a sweet tactic. Who cares the innocent get locked up, being lied to help him and that's all that matters apparently.
probably said to you already, but you'd have a different viewpoint when this tactic is used on people who ARE guilty. If lying to someone makes them confess to a murder it allows us to put a piece of shit in jail. Unfortunately this could also trick innocent people into getting caught in the crossfire and taken instead. Although you would hope evidence shows you're innocent.
People who give false confessions are either weak minded, poorly educated about the legal system, or both.
It's a valuable tool in the police's toolbelt & you'd be surprised just how many awful people are off the streets because of this tactic. The solution isn't to remove this from the playbook. It's to educate citizens on the process.
Also, it's not gaslighting. This is just lying. Gaslighting involves lying, but they aren't the same thing.
While it may indeed be effective, so is waterboarding. This video makes me so angry. We seriously need a complete overhaul of our criminal justice system.
Yep. Was told in the past during a false interrogation that they had me on “pin camera”. Which was never true. They must bonus the more people they get to be convicted.
@PolySciWhy? Not necessarily, it's very well documented that cops have held their innocent victims in cells for days, weeks, months at a time until a person breaks down and confesses to something they never did. Furthermore, reiterating "why did you do it?" is a tactic to build false evidence for the prosecution in a trial because any answer beyond a simple "No" CAN and WILL be used AGAINST YOU. Investigators, are people too, thus, some are lazy, some are racist, some are egocentric, some are simply there for the pay, etc. I used to think in the same way you do, until i got arrested and learned the hard way, THE TRUTH DOES NOT SET YOU FREE. If you ever end up at the wrong place at the wrong time, just keep your mouth shut like a vault and lawyer up, they already decided you're guilty.
@Sean McDonnell actually dont even need to have confessed for that to happen. The tactic itself is entirely necessary though. Keep watching interrogations JCS Inspired. You will see. Thank god they do this!!!
@SuperBROKEN81 You did a bad thing did time and learned your lesson good for you. However that doesn't mean every cop is an angel and dirty tactics are always good.
@PolySciWhy? You have ignored multiple people telling you that this sort of interrogation technique produced false confessions. Multiple studies back that up.
The Canadian (At least RCMP) and the British both use a question/ confuse / question approach where they run through your story, go out of their way to distract/ confuse you, then ask the same questions again. If the person is lying, they forget their story and then the police can pick apart variations between the two stories.
Years ago, they did it to me and at the end, I got completely confused had to pause a moment to recall the details again. I wasn't sure what just happened but I was sure glad I was telling the truth. I later learned that it was something they were trained to do.
@Gerhard Mack im well aware that ALLEGEDLY this is the case. But its not this technique of feigning knowledge that is the problem Einstein. Its that they actually act on it with charges. People confess during charges. If they confess before charges, thats stupidity. We are discussing two different worlds.
@Jacob Parrekar I’m with you on this one. The logic is sound and makes sense for both viewpoints, it’s just sad when an innocent person is convicted for something they didn’t do
@Christian Elbæk Nope.. in the UK its perfectly legal.. im pretty sure there is a version in EVERY country.. if u have 2 suspects.. the oldest trick in the book is to tell the other perp that his friend has told them everything.. ive seen this done in so many tv shows and documentaries.. in lots of different countries.. so im not sure where u get ur information from.
@SuperBROKEN81 It's one of the tactics responsible for many false coinvictions because innocent people falsely admit commiting crimes to reduce sentences out of the sheer desperation cause by this. It's not "effective", as effectiveness means getting criminals convicted, not innocent people. It's the polar opposite of an effective tactic, it's an abusive vehicle to reduce actual police work.
not really, if your innocent an they tell you this then it is not negatively effecting you. however if your guilty and you think they know you did it then your more likely to come forward.
Happens all the time. Usually it is "your friend confessed that they two of you did it". If you are ever spoken to by police always assume they are bullshitting you.
It is a interrogation method used by detectives to get the confession from the victims like in the jennifer pan case . But here the officer is really rude and totally being one-sided
@Jacob Parrekar i agree that few suspects turns out to be innocent but to get others' confession, it becomes important for them to use these tricks. So they apply the method impartially to all of the suspects. we cannot blame them . But yeah here the way officer is talking is clearly rude
If you knew how effective these techniques are at catching actual criminals then you'd retract that. Watch the other videos on this channel, you'll see.
@Jacob Parrekar and then you realize we live in america where every state has different laws and what you just said was a complete fabricational lie, an overreaching statement that literally doesn't contain an ounce of truth
why would you lie on the internet?
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A Stranger Here2022-03-05 00:25:59 (edited 2022-03-05 00:36:45 )
If lying is a crime (bad/"wrong") then how come police can lie (do something bad/wrong) in order to catch someone else who has lied (done something bad/wrong) ? Kinda invokes the grey area of morality that no one likes to admit exists. Similarly, those in the armed forces who kill in the name of war are extolled as heroes, but if I were to kill someone who was breaking into my house there would be a whole investigation about whether my actions were "justified." When it comes to morality it seems that context is everything. (And lest anyone think i am dissing on the armed forces, I'm not. I am thankful for them. I was just making an example. ) The can of worms of capital punishment holds the same paradox – Killing is bad, so we kill to demonstrate that it's bad. The end result in all these examples is the same: some individuals are not punished for doing things that, if others did them, they would be punished.
They’ll jail you until you get in contact with an attorney if you’re in this far. They approached the man with guns. It’s all unfortunate and unprofessional.
@Muhammad Hassan Kiyani well i live in an islamic country and there is little to no representation here, be honest now, you are not uae who has to keep its image intact for tourism.
Edward Flynn I’m pretty sure that in England police aren’t allowed to lie about evidence they don’t have. From what I understand, they have a completely different interrogation model that’s more effective than the slapdash anything goes methods that American cops use. Here’s an article about it: https://www.innocenceproject.org/how-the-uk-police-interview-suspects/
@KillerGrooves They can't "lie" about evidence they don't have but they can twist what they do have and "lose" evidence they did have that shows innocence or doubt as what happened to a relative of mine who went to court, had so called evidenced that was shown to be incorrect BEFORE it went to court multiple times by different professionals, each time they didn't accept it so went to another person to try and show it to suit their arrest. Just as the media who reported on it already judged he was guilty and when he was originally arrested only put what he was arrested for, what the police said and not things that were thrown out before court, and at court when the police made a claim that was proven incorrect they printed the allegation but not that it was thrown out or what relatives lawyer had found as inconsistencies in the Polices argument and shown to be untrue the media ignored it.
@martijn van de Wetering That's the dude who spent 3 days locked up, again, for 3 days so imagine how much the 2 year dude could get as compensation lol
@Nico Cee talking about the oher guy they showed in the video... the one they used as an example for how someone normally responds to being wrongfully convicted. He got two years behind bars before his hearing where he was proved innocent
Watch the whole video guys!!!! The one who received 46k was the bald one. The other the bearded one got nothing but 2 years in a jail despite being innocente.
He was in county lockup for two years awaiting trial, which led to a dismissal of the case. It is very likely that he didn't receive any compensation out of hand and would have to file a civil suit.
In his case, because of his prior incarceration, a case like that wouldn't be a slam dunk if aimed at the state. The investigators were not at fault since they had credible info he was responsible for the breaking and assault. He could and most likely will have sued 'Candy' for defamation..
@Apalapse nope, the other guy (white aggressive dude) was imprisoned for 2 years but he was not innocence for that crime. He is being falsely accused after serving his sentence. This time he is innocent
@shawn d I mean what else do you need to know? If you watch the video you can easily see one is bald and one is bearded. You’re really overthinking this amigo.
@shawn d What makes race a better identifying factor than drastically different hairstyles? It seems to me like you're projecting your own political narrative onto an innocent and non political comment. Making you the exact think you claim to dislike.
@shawn d Wait that's what you got from that? Assuming the guy is being PC? Maybe it's his personal preference when describing people. 1. Seems you're literally more offended by a random person's very unoffensive description of others. 2. You reach really far by assuming the person is PC based how he chose to describe someone. You literally don't have enough evidence of that, yet you confidently made that assertion and almost seem offended by it...
@shawn d What is your point and what does "PC" have anything to do with this? IF youre implying that "black man" vs "white" is more descriptive, you're being meaninglessly pedantic. Even worst is the fact that the bald guy was likely falsely accused precisely because of these officer's implicit bias against people of his complexion, hence their failure to even read the damn description. i.e, the "PC world" you mention carries way more likelihood of preventing this, not the other way around...this really just feels like youre projecting your own political bias buddy
@ddandymann race is not better identifcation. It rather more prominent, and usually gives a proper differination therefore we resort to it more often. If I refer to the two men in the video by balck and white I think it's acceptable and common sense. Racism has nothing to do here.
i just wanted to check the replies under this comment to see if someone found out if he got any compensation for the 2 years, why are most of these replies arguing about race
Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Why are you arguing about race anyway? I am bald and I have a beard. If someone doesn't know me nor my name how should this someone describe me? A human? A terrestrial male human being? A guy wearing clothes maybe? How then? Maybe "not naked" to avoid being offensive? Stupid discussions leads to nothing but stupid discussions and stupid discussions leads to stupid discussions a[...]
The guy who started this thread doesn't even believe in what he said. He was just seeing how people would react to or even simpler: he was just bored. I don't blame him, that's the mal du siècle! BOREDOM.
There was this couple who was wrongfully locked up for like 8+ years or something, I don’t really remember, and it was for “practicing satanist activities on kids” when really nothing happened
@sk8erbyern You got it wrong, watch again. The white dude was innocent of the crime we see him being accused of in this video. He previously served another 3 year sentence for a completely different crime, and then went back in for another 2 years after being falsely accused of the crime in this video.
@Teo Pazdrijan No. Both interviews we see in this video are wrongful accusations. He previously served 3 years for a completely different crime, which he actually did commit.
I don't think this is correct. According to the video Justin (the bearded guy) served 2 years for a PRIOR burglary in his 20's that he DID commit, this later arrest was overturned in court. It's at 8:54 and 10:49 in the video. Edit: I stand corrected: at 5:54 it does say he is wrongfully imprisoned for the crime he didn't commit. Boy that sucks.
@thatsthe true I'm just going off what the video itself says. It bothers me to see so many people in the comments upset just because they seem to have misunderstood what happened.
@Treyson Sherk 5:45 "...he is about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years", and 8:54 says he was exonerated, which according to Wikipedia is "...when the conviction for a crime is reversed".
the bearded guy didn't go to jail for this. he did 2 years in county jail FOR HIS LAST CRIME, not now. the bald guy was jailed for 3 days was the one who received the money.
I don't know how so many of you literally have no idea what you just watched and still spouting out nonsense as if you understood everything.
These are the facts from the video: The tall black man was held in custody for 3 days. And given 46K CAD as compensation.
The bearded white guy sat over 2 years in prison for the break-in/assault that he did NOT commit. He had previously sat 3 years in prison for a robbery which he DID commit.
@Apalapse yes, but the 2 year guy isn't who got the 46k. That's what the guy you're replying to is saying. The one who was only locked up for 3 days got the 46k. The one locked up for 2 years must of made more is what the commenter you're replying to was saying.
@nowr2run who said you can’t say black or white? Just because that’s not the choice of words they chose doesn’t mean they’re off limits. Considering how bald and bearded the respective people are I’d say they are just as noticeable a characteristic. Setting expectations for what you want to hear is what’s wrong, take a chill pill and check yourself.
That is so sad. He says he was trying to do right by working hard, only to be hit with this. No wonder people go back to crime so often. Justin deserved better.
@OlympianOtter23 I said what EVERYBODY IN TODAY'S BULLSHIT PC WORLD WANTED TOO SAY BUT WERE TOO SCARED TOO SAY IT. REREAD THE COMMENTS & JUST SEE, SON. I DON'T TAKE PILLS, IT DULL'S THE SENSE'S. MAYBE YOU SHOULD IF IT BOTHER'S YOU SO MUCH ? THANKS FOR THE REPLY & YOUR OPINION, EVERYBODY HAS 1 YA KNOW, LOL.
@shawn d those are both clearly defining characteristics. You knew who they were referring to right? Why does it matter then? It's really weird you are like ITCHING for the racial description. Racist world is hilarious. Probably how we got into this mess in the first place.
It varies often. Typically compensation is determined by how severe the mistake was and how much prison time the person served before being released. However, it also depends on the state you are in. I believe the majority of states compensate about 50k-100k per year to the victim. There might be even more compensation if the person is on death row as well. No idea about the guy being locked up for two years.
@shawn d So because he didn't mention skin colour he's being PC? Despite the literal easiest things to see on these saturated images being a huge beard and a completely bald head, you NEED to mention skin colour or you're being PC? People avoiding the obvious is something that annoys me I'm not PC myself, but this guy mentioned the very clearest identifiers in a way I didn't even take a second to know who he was talking about, and you saying that he's PC because he needed to include skin colour is just straight racist, and I very rarely use that term.
@Yummy Cookie You're missing the point, OP saying bald and bearded isn't necessarily substituting those for white & black, like shawn is projecting. Those are easily equal if not better identifying characteristics.
Therefore shawn is the weird one for being a culture war hipster and using what is essentially loose association to frame someone else's comment as "PC". It's also a tad strange for you to be engaging the people calling him out for it as if you understood either OP or shawn, or the people replying to shawn, as it seems that you're a bit lost in the sauce on this one. No offense. You aren't wrong, this just isn't what you think it is lol. I don't see anyone saying that shawn is racist or that it's racist to say white & black. They're just calling shawn out for being weird about the fact that that isn't the words someone else chose to use, and to discourage that doesn't really make sense.
Shawn totally deserves to be roasted a bit for being a reverse speech-nazi hipster and injecting that into a convo that has nothing to do with his evidentially buzzword obsessed approach to political and non-political discussion, making things into what they are not and all that.
@ddandymann actually projecting politics is what you're doing. Think about it. Being called bald brings generally negative connotations - aka people don't like it. Being called black is a point of pride. You trying to reverse that here is inherently racist.
@Yummy Cookie Which I did not, the purpose of my comment was to show that the person I responded to was applying a political narrative to a non political comment and since this thread is now an utter cesspool of political idiocy I think I was justified in that assertion.
It's frustrating when these things happen. It normally comes down to cops not doing a good enough job. Cops should be held personally accountable when something like this happens. I know it sounds harsh, but there should be a serious fear of getting the wrong person. It effects people's lives in unimaginable ways. Not only do they lose the time, but the trauma and label will stick with them for the rest of their lives. The media loves drumming up drama over stories, but you won't often see them telling you the person was actually innocent all along.
@shawn d What the hell man, One is bald and one has a beard, why not use them as identifying characteristics? Does it really have to be black or white for you to be happy ?
@shawn d Why would the original commenter have to describe everything about each persons' appearance, but mainly their skin? You know which one is the bearded one is and you know which one is the bald one. Seems kinda weird that you needed OP to talk about race and make it about politics.
From what I have read, most people falsely imprisoned receive somewhere between $50-70k a year. Not like it gives a shed of happiness for 2 years lost or what usually occurs to prisoners in shower time, but it’s something. The mental anguish lawsuit is where the real money is at.
@shawn d it’s funny because we don’t NEED any other identifying characteristics. Only people like you get hung up on the “other” characteristics when they’re not relevant to the case.
The bearded guy did not go to jail but was exonerated during trail. He was in jail for two years PRIOR to this occurrence, not BECAUSE of this occurrence.
@shawn d bald vs bearded is better than guy vs the other guy vs that dude vs the one that got 46k. I don't understand how people communicate so poorly with descriptions.
FiNiSH Random to me even sitting in jail for a few hours is false imprisonment. Nobody should have to sit in a jail cell for something they didn’t do.
Don’t get me wrong I get mistakes are made. But let’s be honest here it must take a special kind of incompetence for someone to go through this for two years
I can’t tell if they guy used as an example of a standard reaction to a false accusation got 2 years from the false accusation or that was the 2 years he had already served apart of his 3 year sentence that he got off on good behaviour for robbery because jcs makes reference to the accuser’s testimony falling apart and being full of lies and the guy getting off.
The two cases are distinctly different. The first guy was compensated not because he was detained for no reason, but because the police SHOULD HAVE KNOWN he was innocent. The 911 call stated the perpetrator was a short white man, also the alibi he had was 100% waterproof and he had multiple witnesses who would confirm it (it wasn't just that the officer didn't interview anyone like the video stated, he did and ignored the evidence), yet the police officer chose to ignore the evidence for his innocence and continued to detain him until an actual honest officer took the case from him. In this case, police misconduct was the sole cause for the wrongful imprisonment, so the town had to reimburse him for the damages
In the second case, the police HAD A REASON to suspect the man. They had witness who claimed he had committed the crime, but the witness was lying. In this case it was not the fault of the police but the dishonest witness, so he would not receive as great of a reimbursement (I'm pretty sure he would receive something, but proportionally way less for the time spent)
@Incredible Adventures Saying "bald" and "bearded" works but it's just pointless eggshell-walking to appease mindless zealots. Skin color is the more obvious identifier and should be used for practicality. And you throwing around the word racist whenever you feel like it only discredits the charge.
@shawn d well yeah no name was used how are we going to describe them "dark skin with male pattern baldness with calming tone and got 3 days in jail and bearded man with quite large hair and an aggressive tone" exactly
@sk8erbyern the man with the beard served two years for the crime that was being talked about in this video, aka that he robbed and assaulted that candy girl. He had already done time way before for a different crime. He was exonerated when candy kept lying on stand. He did not break into her house or assault her.
Part of the problem with the system is that the officers were demoted and suspended without pay for falsely imprisoning a man. They should have been charged with that crime. And if the man had been abused in prison they should have been held responsible for that. If he had been murdered then they should have been tried for murder. And since they were officers of the law they should have been given the death penalty. Until we start raising the stakes for gross incompetence, racism or whatever this was we will continue to have law enforcement acting out of other interests than enforcing the law.
Hi, I’m Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? The Constitution says you do. And so do I. I believe that until proven guilty, every man, woman, and child in this country is innocent. And that’s why I fight for you, Albuquerque! Better call Saul.
Demoted isn’t entirely enough, for me… As satisfying as that IS….if we wasn’t out back down to “Beat Cop”, or even fired..? Then there’s a travesty. How many times has this guy DONE this?? How many innocent people has he locked up?
I think about how if JCS made a video that was instead on the side of the investigator, many viewers would not realise that the investigator is doing a bad job.
Glad this story has a happy ending. This video doesn't go into it, but there seems to be a straight line that can be drawn between the fact that this guy is black and the incompetent cops feeling so sure he was guilty, even without and (from the sounds of it) contradicting evidence. I would put money on this type of thing happening all the time, and bet there are many innocent individuals who aren't as lucky to be exonerated.
I don't understand something: When suspects are read their rights, especially innocent ones like this man but any of 'em really, how come they don't invoke any of those rights to protect themselves from people like this investigator (who could have ruined this man's life! Many cases like this end up in innocent serving a sentence for a crime they didn't commit. They could have been less eloquent & know less about the system than he did, and bam! Prison!
They could also be mentally ill (undiagnosed), or simply not speaking the best English. Or be weird to USA behaviors, due to being from a different culture where body language is not the same at all.
I'm one of these awkward ppl who never behave in expected manner to the western world, no matter how long I live here. Pretty certain I'd get in some shit if someone ever randomly accused me of something I've not done. Panic attack would happen first (mental illnesses), and they'd probably think "ah she's faking".
@Света Sveta I'll try to steer you guys back towards civility. Having watched JCSs entire library now, it's a tough one. I don't think anyone should be treated like garbage, least of all by police, but it's interesting seeing how detectives DO sometimes manage to break guilty suspects, trapping them into story lines, etc. that I can imagine they might not have gotten JUST with evidence (though hard to say). The main takeaway should always be to NEVER speak to the police without an attorney present, but I can imagine that if you're truly 100% innocent and wanting to genuinely help out that it's hard to think that.
I think CIA's point is that just because they are kind doesn't do much for the police if they are trying to find evidence because monsters can be kind, I personally think it's better to treat people with respect because harassing the innocent is worse than being kind to a monster. They should wait till they have more to go on rather than shoot blindly and injure bystanders until they get the criminal.
@Worry Oh no, I definitely understood the two sides. It's a bit of the whole "better that 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent be locked up" sort of thing vs. the opposite of that (which is certainly some people's belief too). The good news is that the police from the first video were all disciplined and removed from their positions for the screwup. But I was just noting how I can appreciate that it's probably a very difficult position. I think of the Chris Watts episode JCS did, for example, and had they not broken him, they might well NOT have had the evidence to convict him. Still, that doesn't mean anybody should be berated and to be fair, there was FAR more evidence in the Watts case - albeit still not definitive. I guess I was more just suggesting that there are ethics that should be held dear, but at the end of the day, I can still imagine it's a difficult and uphill battle.
Ted bundy was a psy op..like Charles manson..Jeffrey dahmer..Timothy mcveigh..John Wayne gacy..these are to make us fear..and make us dependent on the judicial system/police/government for our safety..
@David S. Jr So your argument is pretty much the tittle of the video "guilty until proven innocent". Yes, that's a great way to build a fair society, by treating everyone like the worst criminal...give me a f**king break.
@David S. Jr bro don't make stereotype i was nice introvert guy in my high school time. i was bullied cuz the thoughts like you have. i was traumatized for years please keep your thoughts to yourself 🙏
@David S. Jr so? we should treat polite people as garbages because there is one monster that was polite outside? whats the idea behind your comment or are you just replying for the sake of replying?
@Света Sveta anyone that wants to harm you or do anything ill to you will come with a smile they'll act like a friend criminal 101 that's why they treat people like that not saying it's justified it's Hella wrong just the way things are
I was so happy to find out at the end of the video that he was given $46K in punitive damages! The whole video had me so pissed off mostly to watch him stay so calm while being treated so unfairly, i wish i had that kind of emotional intelligence.
@Kevin Ludlow i think the problem with this particular case is all they had on this guy was the fact that he was walking by. No witnesses, no correlation between him and the store, no nothing. It's different when they're trying to break someone they have reasons to be suspicious of.... you know?
@Mayli the fact that he didn't follow up with the report they see someone of color and can easily get away with incriminating them just the way the law system was designed
@Chris Smith denying something as true...doesn't make it untrue..you are clearly unaware or the world you truly live in..it its on tv..or in the history books..its a lie or theater..period
@Robot Account that’s quite a broad statement you’re making fella
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Keith W.2021-05-28 01:13:16 (edited 2021-05-28 01:14:23 )
@Kevin Ludlow after watching most of this channel, the #1 thing I have learned is, even if you're innocent DO NOT speak to the police before speaking to a lawyer. I mean, ESPECIALLY if you know you're guilty. Seems like a no-brainer but everyone thinks they can talk themselves out of it like they do it for a living.
@Keith W. Yes. This is extremely common knowledge in my world view, but I'm certainly aware of how few people actually understand it and then can do it when the time comes. But it's absolutely a must when dealing with law enforcement. I challenge people all of the time to try it. Next time you happen to be stopped by the police for speeding or whatnot, try it. When the officer asks where you were going, just tell him you're not going to talk about your day and say nothing more. Just provide him what he needs (license, insurance, etc). Most people find they can't do it - which is really part of the problem. It's something that should be engrained in every single person in the US; just don't say a word - it's really simple and yet, very difficult to most people.
@Chris Smith every celeb is a trans..every famous person is a Mason or kabal or other secret society..the reach is endless.not broad enough if you ask me..if you know the name.well..
I am glad that the narrator put the fact that people with trauma who are innocent can have an abnormal reaction when accused guilty. I lived a childhood full of terror, where I had no right to mkae any mistake, and sometimes I'd start feeling guilty for no reason and wondering if I made a mistake that I am not aware of and that an unexpected blow off would come to me! Now in my daily life and interactions with people and work , even when I know I didn't do anything I still exhibit behaviours and body language of a guilty (not defend myself, become stressed and worried and obviously unconfident)! But I am working on that. That proves that there are no rules. Body language cues and reactions are not always accurate.
Gaps? It's literally the main body of our justice system. Did you hear him say that interrogators getting a confession without evidence is seen with merit? It's disgusting.
@John Glue There's a HUGE difference between "no cop has EVER been convicted of murder" (a ridiculous statement, and you know it), and "cops are not being held accountable for the lives they are taking." I mean, American police have already killed over 400 people in 2021 alone. It's horrendous. Also, since 2013, less than 2% of killings by police have resulted in the officers being charged with a crime. It's well documented that cops don't get convicted of murder. Google the stats. But of course you'll hide behind the idea of 'unlawful murder" vs "lawful murder" as if a cop is judge jury and executioner. As if 98% of those victims somehow deserved it.
The "gap" you are speaking of is actually in the simple fact that the majority of Police Departments are allowed by a Supreme Court Ruling to discriminate against hiring anyone with an IQ over 105. Just smart enough to follow "procedure" but not make independent decisions based on reasoning. Low IQ also means they have a need to "belong". Hence the Blue Line Mafia that we have today.
i feel worse for the ginger guy because he felt like he was set up because those a-holes knew he had a record and the police would believe he did it. He must of been fuming inside.
Well its a lethal combination of cops being legally allowed to lie, prosecutors being driven by convictions, increased sentencing causing plea bargains and the state having all the power and resources. Other than that it's a pretty fair system.
@Nana So attacking a cop is okay? You are aware that most armed assailants aren't shot right? So a few cops go over the line so each and every cop is guilty?
@John Glue Where...tf....did I say attacking a cop is okay? You good? I said just because one is armed, doesn't mean they should die. Being armed ALSO doesn't mean they attacked. Also it's just not a few cops "going over the line", it's a wide spread issue among the police force. That doesn't mean every cop is bad dim wit, but it does mean there's a major problem.
@Nana Hahaha so much anger and insults from you has shown which person is not good. So an armed person is armed for no obvious reason? Don't you think they could be possible of attacking than not? And yes it is only a few cops.
@John Glue You said you knew the number of the 400 people that were armed so I'm interested in you sharing it with the class. Also, not sure if you're aware but Americans have a right to be armed? A person carrying a gun with them doesn't mean shit UNLESS they were using it as a threat. And no, it's not a few cops. Empirical data disagrees with you
@Krystal Myth ya that’s so fucking weird. “Getting a confession without evidence is seen as merit” ??????????? Like hello???????. That’s such a shitty thing to do, I could just be trolling or something for all they know
@Nana When a cop is at risk of death because someone is trying to pull out a weapon, they have the right to shoot to kill because not all people go down to a fucking taser (ESPECIALLY if they're on drugs). Would you rather the cop die and the criminal get away or the criminal die and the cop survive? In those scenarios (which are becoming more and more common) those are the only outcomes.
@Milo Reiland No? The discussion is about how shitty the justice system is. Not sure if you realize this but cops play a little role in the justice system
@Nana John asked “how many were armed” and you extrapolated that to “being armed does not equal deserving of death” he never said they deserve to be killed. You’re a hypocrite.
@homicidal_ toast ...........😐. John rhetorically asked "how many were armed" followed by "I know the answer". The topic was police killing people and he was using the scenario of an armed person to justify the killing. Please keep up lmao.
@homicidal_ toast Except i wasn't making an assumption? Are you slow or? If I told you someone was killed by a cop and I said "but they were armed". You ARE saying that their death was deserved. Like that's...kinda the argument. Take a deep breath and try to think a little harder next time
@Nana my parents are cops and the reason why they usually shoot the person they're confronting is because you have like 1-2 seconds to react if they choose to use their weapon or try to take your tazer's,guns,keys ect
@All For You Oh like how that Hispanic kid was shot DESPITE dropping the knife as after he was told to?
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Henry Smith2021-05-29 01:37:01 (edited 2021-05-29 06:33:23 )
@Nana A former black city councilor filed a complaint of racism against the force while he was in office.
Hamilton is so white that I don't even know why they picked up a black guy. All the police shooting victims over the years have been white people. The majority of wanted people are white, so for them to pick up a black guy for a B&E is unusual in my eyes.
The police force is racist and corrupt. Follow former Hamilton cop @mobinfiltrator on Twitter for more
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See Green2021-05-29 01:50:46 (edited 2021-05-29 01:59:59 )
The sketchy one where the investigator was lying was in Canada. Why do people always think of the US when anything bad happens in the judicial system
@John Glue dude are you a jedi, can you feel the emotions someone is feeling just based on what they type? Cause if so that is amazing can you teach me how to use the force?
@[AZN] bepis that most of the armed shootings where justified, and people have interactions with the police while armed all the time and nothing bad happens.
@homicidal_ toast it really does tho, justified means having a legitimate reason to do something, deserving means having a legitimate reason to do something. Do you not think they came to a reasonable conclusion, if so then you didn’t either seeing as how you interpreted it the same way they did. I don’t see how they were being condescending at all, they just had a very aggressive way of defending themself, and if you see what they were doing as condescending then the other person, and even yourself, should be viewed the exact same way. Just as a last note, some cops are never even sent to court after literally taking another persons life.
@[AZN] bepis in many of her replies she finish the comment with “try to keep up” or “try to think a little harder” come on dude stop being disingenuous. 😕
@[AZN] bepis heres the legal definition to Justification- A sufficient or acceptable excuse or explanation made in court for an act that is otherwise unlawful. Now here’s the definition for deserved; do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment). Do you see bud? they do mean different things wow! 😂
We may not have the best judicial system but we have the best judicial system in the world and that's all we can hope for from now there is always room for improvement
@Henry Smith "all the police shootings over the years have been white"
I will fix that for you. "All the police shootings the media and BLM has made such a big deal about have been white while ignoring the other ones because they dont fit the narrative im supposed to believe"
Turns out Statistically your LESS likely as a black person to be shot by a white police officer and white police officers are MORE likely to be victimized by a black assailant because they know they will be found guilty regardless of merit.
@WorldWearyAngel Uh, no. Learn to read. I'm talking about the police shootings in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Educate yourself on those shootings before commenting.
@2 Many Remote Controllers Jesus, go away 😂 If anything we make you look good by comparison, everyone compliments you all on being nice and totally forgets you’re clubbing baby seals
@homicidal_ toast Gestahpo, KGB, US police force - authoritarian, militarized police groups. Your police department is sooner to roll tanks out on the people than provide actual community benefit, outside of rich sociopaths.
@NCRonrad you really just compared the KGB and Gestapo to police, just stop you’re honestly embarrassing yourself. Saying hyperbolic things makes you look like a fanatic....
@NCRonrad I said that trying to show the difference between justified and deserving death. ( nice job trying to take that out of context.) I like how you skipped the part where I said no one deserves to be shot by police...
@WorldWearyAngel I can see how the two terms can be different in certain situations, however you’re example doesn’t really convey a justified murder to me. No cops aren’t omnipotent, but they are trained to deescalate a situation. Instead of taking another human beings life because of a mistake what they could do is either run for cover, move out of the line of fire, pull out their firearm and ask the “assailant” to pull out whatever they’re trying to slowly, or tase them. They have many more options then just outright killing someone. Now you could argue that they only have a few seconds to make one of these decisions, and because people are flawed they won’t always make the right one but that is why police need to be trained better to make the right decision under pressure.
@Xx Yy it's sad how worried he was for being falsely accused for how hard he has work to stay clean. you on the other hand are part of the problem. have innocent people been put in jail? yes! everyday? no way. only criminals think like that or ignorant people that have been told lies by their family and friends.
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Robert Thomas2022-03-11 01:20:41 (edited 2022-03-11 01:22:17 )
Do nothing, say nothing and ask for a lawyer. Don't try to defend yourself, even if you are guilty. Don't try to help them at all. They will literally use anything you say from the first moment they speak to you. Unfortunately trying to help, even as a witness to an actual crime, will work against you.
I feel like busses have cameras and there are probably 100 ways you could prove innocence but that is not the goal, it is to get a guilty charge. like give my man access to the tools he needed to prove he is not guilty I bet he would do 100% better than everyone working that case
Remember to get a lawyer for this reason cops aren’t your friends they will openly lie to you get a lawyer at least you can buy their trust and know they are on your side
All demoted and suspended without pay. Music to my ears. Hell, the cop that tossed him in jail for 3 days without checking any other sources should be fired. He doesn't have what it takes to be a good investigator, let alone a good bluffer.
I just can't comprehend why he just wouldn't check any evidence at all. There was absolutely nothing pointing to the innocent dude yet he did nothing but assume he was guilty.
@LethalWalou Which means the interrogator cared more about his promotion than the actual truth, or that he potentially would be sending an innocent person to jail.
Yes, that was one of the most satisfying endings, to a very unsatisfying story.
The biggest thing that grinded my gears was that the investigator said he would look into Michael's story, but didn't. It was a different investigator (3 days later) that actually took the time.
Like many have commented already, ignorant cops arresting innocents are almost scarier than ruthless killers...
They literally had zero evidence... I get bluffing to get a confession from somebody you "know did it". it's usually because they have something that shows they did it on top of their demeanor. It's usually not enough evidence for a conviction so that's why they go for a confession. They had nothing on this guy, he didn't even meet the dispatch description. they had no reason to lie and say they had evidence. all they had is that he was in the alley. That's like responding to a burglary then arresting the mailmen since he was there in the vicinity at the time of response and believing beyond a reasonable doubt the mailman did it after no investigation.
@modestrocker1 was this not in the states... just cause the cops accent doesn’t mean it wasn’t in the states?? I’m not sure but I’m assuming it was in the US
There are reasons why cops shouldn’t be allowed to lie in interrogations. One is that a lot of developmentally disabled people just straight up confess when they’re innocent. It confuses mentally ill people and so on. It’s actually a pretty shitty practice.
LethalWalou You think the problem is that the guy is “just a moron” when they are literally being financially rewarded for arresting people with the least amount of evidence possible. I think there’s a bigger problem...
@Torben22.1 the investigator was effectively ‘all in’ with his bogus video evidence, he even said he wasn’t going to ask him if he did it because there was no doubt. Then he gets the guy to draw a map of his movements which reveals he has no video evidence.🤦♂️
Cops seem to think that every suspect is dumb when in fact it was the other way around here.
lol welcome to canada. Theres cops suspended with pay for over 15 years. Google it. Basically its impossible to lose your job as a cop in Canada. It took one local lawn enforcement officer 3 DWI's to make him "resign" he was suspended 8 years with pay before that.
@Dale's Gaming TV I mean, you can do mistakes in one case and later do something incredible... I mean you learn from your mistakes. You surely didn't do great everytime you did something, did you?
@Torben22.1 I get that, but their profession shouldn't allow for a lot of leeway when it comes to mistakes. A clerk filing the wrong file won't cause much damage, but an investigator accusing someone of wrongdoing when they are clearly innocent, and refusing to follow up on their alibis for more than 3 days can potentially ruin the life of someone.
He could get fired from his job. Even though he proved his innocence, his community could ostracize him. His name is permanently sullied when it comes to background checks for jobs or other kinds of application, since there is a good chance that his arrest was reported by some local news.
We give a lot of power to cops. They are the only citizens who are allowed to use lethal force, since they represent and wield the monopoly of legal violence in the society. They should be held to a higher standard, not lower. And mistakes shouldn't be so easily forgiven, imo.
@Ivens Pinheiro Ivens I completly agree in this regard, but since interrogiations are group efforts, there will be discussion and it might get to a strategy you didnt want. Its hard to figure out who was the leading part in what happened. In case of armed robbery or just robbery its fairly easy to get back from if proven innocent, since it doesn't blow up. Obviously if the case is murder, rape (or something in this area) these things should be handled much different.
But you can't just fire everyone who did a mistake or used bad tactics since I guess its fairly hard to get people to do this job. And especially in this job you just get better as more you do it. And a very skilled investigator would not exist if they didn't overstep it at some point. (Maybe they even got away with it).
It's just hard draw a border in this area, where it's all about deception, manipulation and so on, and that on a completly other level... probably even more than in marketing
I think those demotion are meaningless unless there are marks on their records which is a lot harder to erase. Michael not only got paid for false accusation but by suing the city and won, the record of the lawsuit is on the books as well as the names of all the officers and detectives involved in the case. One thing officers hate the most is civil complaints on records because its a mark that follow them for extended period of time which becomes more sever if they fuck up in a major incident in their career and records of their behaviors started popping up and civil lawsuit filed. I noticed that when a major incident of police involve shooting happens and records of the officer involved started circulating on the news, the department will try to settle out of court as fast as possible. In most cases, the civilian always win if the officer involved has extensive marks on their records.
My Government teach explained 1 thing you CAN be charged as GUILTY for speaking the 100% truth and showin evidence!!! Exercise the right to remain silent, till you have a lawyer.
The introverted suspect Michael is so honest, well spoken, and more intelligent/ professional than the investigator. He's clearly innocent, but the investigator is crooked as they come! I can't imagine being accused/ convicted of a crime I didn't commit. (10 years ago two strangers assaulted me. The way it happened was so traumatic I could only remember that one was skinny and had a beard. When the police showed me mug shots of offenders, they asked me to identify the two men. I could not clearly recall the features of the two men, so I refused to pick any photos . I would never want an innocent person to serve time.) My justice is moving on with my life and being happy.
Something like that happened to me, the police tried convincing me to point out a dudr that was nothing like the one I saw. It was very intimidating, but I would never falsely acuse someone
@Dexiray he has a point though... being honest, well spoken and intelligent doesn't mean you're innocent. In this case, yes, because there are evidence proving he's innocent. But, what would you have said if, after investigation, he was guilty? Being a criminal doesn't mean you're a brainless thug with the vocabulary of an edgy teenager.
@MrDevilFlash Literally did not dismiss none of these topics. Merely pointed it out to this specific case, of which is indubitably proven that he's not guilty. Period. Had the discussion been so open ended, all I would say, perhaps would be: what makes you so sure he isn't innocent?
@Dexiray Yeah, this case was pretty clear afterward... But I took the comment you replied to as response to "he's intelligent, he's clearly innocent". But we agree that in Michael's case, the investigators acted very lightly. I would be interested to know in which terms the suspect was described though (to have an opinion on the "bad place bad timing" aspect of the case). Because preaching the false to get the truth isn't a bad strategy (worked in Jennifer Han's case).
remember! invoke your right to remain silence until your lawyer come, if you being detained or ask to come to police station by a police, remain silence and wait for your lawyer. i was a former wrong convicted for drug user which is cocaine and heroin, the detail of the story is my driver is the one who are the drug user, the police come at my house to detained my driver, its happen at 9.10 a.m when the police arrive at in front the gate of my house and from the footage of cctv in my house, the police ringing the bell then when the police meet my driver, they don't detained him immediately instead they are "discussing" about "something" than after that, the police went to my bedroom and broke the door. I was sleeping at that time and i feel startled when the police came, they immediately search my room and there are 6 officer there and one of the officer came at me and handcuffed me and said that i was the "partner-in-crime" with my driver meanwhile i don't even know what the heck of the situation, i don't even know that my driver is drug abuser. but the police instill that i was the guilty, later i was brought in to the police station then i asked one of the officer to talk with the head of their team, then i meet the captain who release the order to detained me and my driver. That was the interrogation begin, there 3 officer plus the captain standing in front of me meanwhile i was alone, its was tense situation and i had to speak because if i am not, they will harm me physically well in fact, i get several jabs and punches at my mouth, my below hand torso and my belly for not speak or answering their question, hell even after i answering the question, i still got hit at my head, from my perspective they want me to admitting that i am guilty so they can later "bribe" my father to releasing me but fortunately, and thanks to God, i am still stand firm and not falter back with their intimidation. But unfortunately they also don't want to revoke their claim and immediately i was detained in the cell for few days until my father came to bail me out. Also i was just a college student majoring in management and already passed and waiting for the graduation ceremony, the day that they detained me was around at the end of april, near the day at my graduation ceremony which they also threaten me that they will cancelled my graduation if they don't get what they want. Short story, my father finally knew i was detained and he immediately book and took planes to bail me out, my father is living at the other city and the distance between the city where i was living and my dad living is far away, its took 5 hour by planes. My father arrived at 5.34 PM GMT (i remember it because when i was detained, all my focus is only on the clock) , there i was released at 6.30 PM and that moment when i finally saw my dad is the moment of a lifetime, i was crying like a little child and hugged my dad so tight, and fyi i only cried at few occasion in my lifetime. I was even cried when i was eating the meal that my dad brought from home because when i was detained, all food which i ate is the bad one. Finally i got the detail about why and how i actually get release , and let me summarize it with two word, money and promotion. that all, my father actually had to negotiate the price to bail me and they attempt all the way to increase the price to bail me out, they even don't want to revoke their claim if my dad doesn't wanted to bail me and my driver, so they want to double the price too which sadly at the end my father finally agree at their term. I am Alexander Thaddeus D'Arc which my former name is Alexander Jonathan, i changed my name because of few reason and this moment is one of the reason i changed me name, they got the money and all i get is bad image, few kick and punch and bad meal for few days also PTSD and trauma. This is really true story and the city i was living is Surabaya which located in the province of "east java" and the country is "indonesia", and my driver nickname is usman and i never met him again after i was released, p.s sorry that i didn't mention my driver as my an ex driver and this for the fourth time i repost my story, my story or my comment disappear for unknown reason. If you interesting more, you can contact me through my email rhymelex@gmail.com, i even could give you my private cell number if you contacted me personally through my email.
also i want to add something, i know not all police are bad, there are a good ones out there but few, the majority is the a-hole ones and please be careful when interacting with the police specially when they ask you to be a witness, if you can, avoid any them or their demand at any cost, please be careful out there. Most of the police is just an a-hole and just wanted to fck your life for their own greed. trust only with bare minimum percentage trust with the police also always be on guard, alert and cautious when interacting with them, avoid their question with your right to remain silence until your lawyer you came like what i said in my first sentence in my comment. Stay safe out there
i did report a child-porn video i thought it was the "right thing" to do, if i will ever witness a crime another time in my life, i'll think like 3times about it if i really want to report it. It's tough. Ofcourse they need to check everybody and stuff, but i just expected a reaction like "yeah thankyou, we will check this out, we will try safe the kid" but it was very different. If the police officers wanted they definetly could've taken advantage of me beeing like 100% honest and i really thought the police is somehow going to "help". I realised that i've been in danger when one officer told me they decided that i'm innocent. I mean i did knew the whole time that i'm innocent and i did expect everybody else to know it, too, why should i report such a thing when i'm involved in it. So if i ever should encounter such a situation again, i definetly will talk to a lawyer first, it's just too dangerous for yourself, you can't expect a police officer to really wants "the best" for you.
He seems like a genuinely nice person. I really feel for him, being an introvert who doesn't like confrontation- the way he must have been internally screaming in frustration, but keeping a calm and polite exterior.
Never, EVER Speak to a police officer without Council. It seems intuitve to declair innocence thinking you will walk away, however this is not always the case. RULE 1, SHUT UP. RULE 2, SHUT UP. RULE 3, LAWYER UP.
To err is human…. even for detectives. It can’t be an easy job. I hope the two innocent accused are doing ok and have been able to put this behind them - perhaps even laugh about it now.
I feel like I would be a stuttering mess in that room, but iirc your brain usually cuts back on the chemicals that cause stress when you’re already under an enormous amount.
It’s why if you’ve ever bombed an exam and you know it, you usually feel okay right afterwards. It’s a defense mechanism to keep you from being completely overwhelmed.
@ichigo kurosaki I'm having trouble understanding why people keep getting this confused. The information presented in the video is clear and not at all convoluted. Michael, our tall, bald friend in the first video, only got 3.5 days in jail. The second, bearded man is the one who was imprisoned for two years. I'm not trying to give people a hard time, but it's really not that hard to keep track if you just pay attention to the video.
Cop : I try to treat everybody as an individual Dispatcher: suspect is white short male Cop: I think I'm going to treats this guy as an individual criminal
My thing is, why can cops go on and on about telling the truth and working to see the truth comes out when they will literally lie to manipulate the accused
I had a situation once (in a group setting, not a criminal one) where I was accused of something and one of the the people that was trying to get to the bottom of it was law enforcement. They said "You know there are cameras?" I say "There are?" Then you can see cop mode kick in and they say "Yeah, there are.." I'm sure fully expecting me to walk it back, but I retort "Great! What does it show?" They shut down and admit that they hadn't seen the footage yet, but it was obvious that I knew I wasn't guilty of the accusation.
I can't imagine being in a similar situation where time in prison is a reality of what is going on in front of you, not a slap on the wrist that I was looking at.
@seneormoneybags yeah unfortunately it's super common here to just get an arrest and conviction, whether they're actually guilty or not is kind of an afterthought It was already a sketchy aspect here but once you have for profit prisons, mandatory minimums & basically a revolving door, you're so fucked if you get in the system and don't have money If you're loaded its no problem, throw money at it and you walk If you're broke, you're forced to do a plea bargain even if you're innocent to avoid years of fighting it
There's a lot of great stuff here but innocent until proven guilty and habeus corpus, two vital pillars of the system are definitely eroding
@Odin Satanas literally the biggest prison system in the us and the continuation of slavery in this country (theres a pretty big caveat in the 13th amendment and when you look at our criminal “justice” system they really just moved goalposts). My comment was more in reference to yet another problem we have as in WOW LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE FUCKED UP AND RUINED SOMEONES LIFE (or worse) AND WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE? NO FUCKING WAY 🙄
Man I was in this same situation once. I kind of had the same mannerisms as the first guy and I knew the proof they had was bullshit and I told them that I knew they were bluffing because it wasn't possible. I was only in for questioning though and they never arrested me. Me being whiter than rice probably played a role in that.
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Jack Fitzpatrick2021-05-09 16:15:53 (edited 2021-05-09 16:28:41 )
Yup,an innocent person will be glad to hear that there were witnesses...and photos. There's a great line in the classic film "Shawshank Redemption" where the prosecutor said while questioning Andy "and fortunately for you the police were never able to find the murder weapon" and his response was "well,given that I'm innocent I find that distinctly un fortunate".
this actually happened to me once before. asshole former employer thought i vandalized the company truck after quitting. cops put me in a little room and said we have multiple witnesses and threw a vhs tape in front of me in a bag. i grabbed it and said "fantastic, let's watch this." shtbag cop ripped it out of my hands at said "you'll get to see it in court." this whole system is absolute trash. obviously this all had nothing to do with me
@Bobs Building This. He probably knew that guy wasn't guilty, I mean they aren't blind. There were no evidence, that guy probably had no record, nothing was pointing in his direction, even the damn description didn't match AT ALL. He was just trying to scare the confession out of that guy, so he doesn't have to actually do something.
I know white makes people look fat but how is it with heigh? (Since this community is mostly america I am worried that people understand something else)
@Neru The real reason this happens is LAZINESS. All these (suspects) people have one thing in common, they were all LOW HANGING FRUIT! Detectives would rather pad their arrest records rather than do their Fucking Jobs. They’re detectives 🕵️♀️ go and fucking detect.
"you are sentenced for prison, you are proven guilty and you can't convince me otherwise." "ok ok cool but can i call my boss? i wanna tell em i won't be working tomorrow"
Nonverbal challenging an officer, who's falsely accusing and interrogating you. I admire this man so much. I would be so nervous to be falsely imprisoned during that interrogation
I’ve been falsely arrested when I was homeless sleeping in a disused horse stables. They dragged me out with a flashlight In my face blinding me and a dog barking it’s head off. Got my on the ground face down with this dog a couple of inches away from my face while he was radioing his little buddies. Someone stole a car and took a police chase and dumped the car near where I was sleeping. Got took to the jail for 3 days where I was questioned and my freedom took for 3 days and got released with no charge and 14 miles away with no money to get bk to where i was staying. Hate the police
"why did you do it?" is such a terrible question to ask someone you're trying to mindgame into admitting a crime. What was that first detective thinking?
right. even if he did do it, asking that question off the bat, you can kiss the whole interrogation goodbye as it wont go anywhere from that point on. he’s horrible at his job even disregarding that he tried to make a man admit to a crime that he himself knows he didnt commit.
The reason why they ask this is because they want the suspect to feel pressure as if they are already convicted. The detectives want the suspect to know that any story they spew will not be believed. Obviously this interrogator is bad but in some other cases like with "Wrath of Jodi" and Chris Watts it works really well because they keep trying to add information to their "narrative" that would make it more believable but instead they are just adding more information that could be used to incriminate them.
@Felix Berkan The stupidity in that is that they selectively use the suspect's confessions. If they deny guilt they don't take their word for it, if they admit it, they will take their word for it. Why not just let evidence and witnesses prove guilt if they already decided guilt anyway? Convictions should be based on independent consistent witness acounts. It doesn't matter what the suspect says or doesn't say. The burden of proof or disproof is on the accuser or the investigator, not the suspect/subject. The right to remain silent is supposed to protect from false incrimination and put the burden on investigators and judges to determine guilt, instead of just lazily relying on confessions. The legal system works way better in places like Germany or Denmark where they don't have this nonsense "procedure" of being allowed to lie to get someone to spit information. Otherwise the next step on this slippery slope is to allow some "enhanced interrogation" to get a little more info. Oh yeah, America has ALREADY degenerated towards that direction, I forgot!
@eric5335 I understand what you mean, but this is a bad case to compare, because in the other videos it’s pretty damn obvious they committed the crimes with the evidence but it still needs to be voted on by a jury, whereas a confession makes their job easier, and like this guy said “helps them climb the ranks faster”.
@Felix Berkan "a confession makes their job easier" Exactly. They are too lazy to actually prove guilt. In third world corrupt countries they beat confessions out of suspects because "it is easier" and makes it look like they care about fighting crime. This is the path America is on. Meanwhile here in Denmark we have the least corruption and most effective justice system without such nonsense as in the Canadian and American systems.
@eric5335 Bro you are reaching with that. In so many of these cases, they have so much evidence and reason to believe that they are interrogating the main suspect. I can tell this is one of the only videos you watched on this channel.
I'm surprised they were actually held accountable. Good on Canada. They'd have never been suspended or demoted if this was in the U.S. Instead of protecting the citizens and people, they just cover for their own. Disgusting.
Michael is a legend, insanely intelligent in the moment enough to strike nervousness in the detective. Not many people could do that the same way and could even potentially crack and confess to a crime they didn't commit
I dont have a clue how i would act if i was in his situation. Im autistic as shit and have a shitload of trauma that makes my brain shut the fuck down if someone accuses me of something, so i seem apathetic because literally every thought i have is trying to piece something together as my mind is clawing for anything to say, and if pushed i'll just say something, anything l, and then realize it was wrong and try to clarify. It sometimes takes up to half an hour for a mind to clear, but if i was pushed harder i'd probably just have a panic attack. I feel as though i'd the perfect victim for one of these asswipes.
$46k for 3 days in jail… Imagine if the USA paid out those kind of rates for all the wrongfully imprisoned who spend months in jail awaiting trial because they can’t afford to make bail?
How many years of ones life can such stressful experience shawe off? (being arrested by police, being held captive, unfair interrogation ...) The guy is shaking and he's not a delicate one. It's not even his first time arrest.
If you've played detective games on the internet like Trouble in Terrorist Town, sometimes people who make a big fuss about not being guilty are actually guilty. In the end, we should be suspicious of confessions without evidence. Some personality types can be so agreeable and suggestable that a detective can easily get false confessions.
@Professional Complainer never said that im simply saying what you said youre literally saying you have knowledge cuz you have played detective games and the narrator has far greater knowledge in terms of body language
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Joseph Good2021-05-28 01:33:24 (edited 2021-05-28 01:33:57 )
@Professional Complainer Uhh... Dude people act completely different playing a game than when they actually committed or are accused of life changing crimes. I am no detective but i've played those games and I also have been interrogated both when I'm guilty and when I'm innocent.
@Joseph Good that’s my point. Explicit denial or complete silence aren’t in themselves traits that tell you culpability.
Now if your daughter is missing, or your wife was murdered, and you give zero fucks about them or mislead an investigation, that’s attention raising. Imo. I’m not a clinical psychologist. I just pretend to be a bad one when I troll people on the internet.
@Joseph Good I've never been interrogated by police but I don't think it's that dissimilar. If you've played mafia or an equivalent competitively, people are trying to win and at the very least experience in that realm demonstrates that very different behaviors can indicate guilt across different people. People react in a variety of ways and some people are the type to be over the top confrontational when guilty because that is how they simulate their innocence reaction. Some people when innocent fail to muster a lot of self confidence when accused and put under pressure.
Ima speak on behalf of most introverts, that’s like saying me trying to speak to a god that literally has the power to put me to death or let’s me live. Most would probably just try to stay calm and tell the officer everything they know in a calm manner because maybe they don’t get loud a lot or express a lot in front of people. Then combine that with being interrogated with your life on the line, puts a lot of pressure. At that point some might as well think it’s over and just accept it (especially those who just don’t retaliate).
Now I’ll say another thing, in my opinion it’s that they are suspicious and a suspect and first you need evidence then confirm if that’s true before you can make a rightful judgement.
I mean would you want to get loud in front of someone who literally has the option to determine your life? You can’t really choose, loud can easily make you seem suspicious unless you spout true evidence and etc, then there the calm one they might try to process things to fit their understanding and etc, but even that can seem strange due to how calm you are. So literally anything can be turned against you and you have to somehow prove you are truly innocent somehow that doesn’t make the other party think you’re guilty. Etc
I can keep continuing about how everyone is guilty until proven innocent but ima stop
i kinda wish detectives like this spent as much time in jail/prison as the wrongfully detained civilians did. might teach them to really consider accusing the first person who looks right for the charge.
Wow, that’s some infuriating shit. What an incredibly genuine person Michael is. Glad he didn’t spend too long in jail and at least was awarded some damages. It’s rare to come across such a calm and sincere individual like him. My heart collapsed for the other guy, Justin(?), served time in prison, got out and actually stayed the straight and narrow..and had to go back in for 2 years for something he didn’t do!? I can’t imagine how absolutely crushed he was.
Michael's composure is pure gold. As for Justin, it's heartbreaking to see him breakdown knowing he's innocent but they might use his past to pin him down.
@kunkkaralho™ If we take this to the extreme: Cases like Justin are the perfect example why nobody should be sentenced to death. You can have witnesses, a motive, no alibi and get pronounced guilty. Whilst you were asleep at your mother's home.
@codypsizzle wait so did Justin actually spend the 2 years in jail for the false charges or not. The way its said in the video seems to imply that he did
@Remer714 I think there are some who deserve the death sentence but not the evil people who are part of our society like pedophiles, rapists and murderers. Those people can change as much as it may seem crazy. And as pointed out above they can falsely convicted.
For me though, authoritarian leaders can get the bullet. From Putin to Khomeini to Netanyahu the bastards can die for the suffering they caused to entire populations. Hitler and Stalin would not survive in any justice system I had control of.
@arya Do you not see the irony that, given complete and autocratic power over the justice system, you would exercise that power in the same way other dictators did it? Not to mention you don’t seem to mind pedos, rapists and murderers all that much
@arya Nah, the death sentence’s biggest flaw is it’s actually merciful. Remember: Hitler killed himself because he rather die than be captured and punished for his war crimes. You’re telling me you’d arrest him just to execute him anyway? Just let these people rot in jail. Some of the worst crimes have been committed by people who have killed themselves; fulfilling their wish of death will never be a true punishment.
@Luca Piomelli I do mind those people. I think often they don't get enough time behind bars, especially pedos. But civilians are different to leaders. Asking what I would do in that situation is a pointless question because to get that situation you have to already have blood on your hands. Excluding Netanyahu, everyone that I mentioned is/was a dictator. And even simply getting to the position where you are a dictator requires great evil to your political opponents. I like to hope I would never get to that position
@arya a video i'd recommend on this topic is a recent one by philosophy tube (shouldn't be hard to find) its one of her more recent videos. A really interesting take.
Our justice system is no system at all. See this is what a black man deals with time and time again. And if they or anyone mind you had been charged again with same crime but is innocent you don't just lose your rights from day one you loose it all they way thru just like this. That is the sad part of when your accused. Cause it takes years to get thru the prosses and when the person accusing you is just mad at a situation then years it what it takes to just get your side told until you finally give up and take a deal . I had my book written the incredible life of a innocent career criminal. But decided to? Fuck it
Yep Michael is as cool as a cucumber. Not that it matters but is he a black man in the united states? if i were a betting man i would say hell no..He seems to have the sensibilities of an englishman..
@Luca Piomelli But he never said that he didn't mind them. He said they didn't deserve the death penalty. Don't twist words to prove a point, just prove the point.
Makes you think how many innocent people are locked up cause of the justice system:/ imaging getting put on death row over something you didn’t do like
@Luca Piomelli Not at all, there is a major difference between using capital punishment as a matter of course against individuals for individual crimes, and the use of capital punishment against those guilty of massive crimes against humanity or war crimes.
Eddie Gallagher deserves capital-level consequences for his crimes for instance, because he caused irreparable harm to the general public and our own nation as well as his victims. The only way to remotely make amends for the crimes he committed, from one nation to another, one people to another, is to levy a far more humane version of those atrocities against Gallagher himself.
In Poland one guy was accused of double murder and went to jail for 18years, after that it turned out that he was innocent and he got recompensation worth around 13milions PLN - 3,5 milions USD which is a joke.
Worse thing he did the time and the people responsible for him serving wrongful time are still doing the same shit if they judged him wrong imagine how mane others fuck that
@patrick jay my brother, obviously there is nothing wrong with being a Black man from any country on God's earth. I just thought it a rather hilarious comparison between a brother's reaction from south central Las Angeles and a Bloak from Bloody England. The brothers from England and other parts of Europe appear to handle these situations with a lot of respect, Cool headedness and respect for the Bloody Queen. LoL. LoL. 😆😆😆😆😆 But, us brothers from here in America seem to immediately and vociferously Plead our innocence. I know because I have been in a situation identical to this.
Honestly I’d just be so fucking mad, that I’d go straight back to a life of crime. If I get arrested, I at least want it to be for something I actually did.
@Remer714 I Totally agree. In the US you're GUILTY or NOT GUILTY, but never innocent to the jury. It may not be relevant for most but for me it is. In Portugal you're either Innocent or Guilty. And innocent until proven guilty. So unlike what the cop is telling Michael " You have to prove to me that you weren't there" should have been "I was at work, got out of the bus and was going home. YOU have to prove ME that i was at the crime scene."
Cos in our society the smallest mistake or bad thing you do is forever held against you and then it's taken advantage of people and that's what that girl and her boyfriend was doing... it's a bad world, trust nobody if they have no business being in your life and haven't shown any sort of human respect.
@arya I don't think that's true. Frankly I think Tito and Sankara were great men with almost no blood on his hands, and I don't think democratically elected leaders are necessarily inherently better than dictators. In short, it isn't the act of being a dictator that is wrong, it is entirely the actions taken as a dictator that dictate morality. Would you still put an absolute dictator to the block if he had done no misdeeds and vastly improved the lives of all of his citizens, simply because he was a dictator?
@Luca Piomelli if they limited personal freedoms, yes. There are some I would have to think about though. I haven't done much research into the two you mentioned but I know Tito had a great story and respect him for standing up against both the west and the Russians. Another example of a man who did good as a dictator is attaturk. I meant authoritarians more specifically
@arya So to you the biggest crime on earth is limiting the personal freedoms of others. To that I say that from my point of view nobody can be truly free under a capitalist system: you are forced to sell your life to jobs in order to live at all, and coercing one into employment under threat of homelessness is no free choice at all, and frankly no different to being forced to work by a dictator. From that perspective, capitalists are the criminals, and while many are elected democratically they are the ones who we truly need to be liberated from.
@Luca Piomelli listen, don't take this the wrong way. I'm lefty too. Socdem, so technically still a capitalist, but lefty. I think poverty in developed nations is an embarrassment. But, political freedoms are more important than any other. Having a fairly educated populace who votes for the government of their country with a trusted voting system is more important than any ideological goal of said government. This is because it strongly encourages responsibility of leaders and is dynamic and allows change. I think a socialist government would be great, but I think political pluralism is more important.
@arya Social democracies are not left wing. In my eyes, left wing is socialist and right wing is capitalist. Moderate right is therefore social democracy, moderate left being democratic socialists. And I think that is well represented in your viewpoints: You are more concerned with civility politics than pragmatism. You would rather have a democracy where no progress is made and people still suffer, as we have now, and the earth will die because each side has to concede to the other, than a benevolent dictatorship that could solve the world's problems without the bureocracy of a democracy. Frankly, I think that is a flawed opinion to have, because you are really openly saying you are concerned with the civil appearance of democracy as opposed to the pragmatic nature of a state that can actually accomplish things without resistance. Adding to this, many countries in the world simply are not ready for democracy. You need first world systems, a free press, and an educated populace in order to make the transfer to democracy sucessfully. Hence, to try and "force" democracy on countries like Libya with relatively benevolent dictators as Obama did utterly destroys them and the lives of the people in them. I am positive the average Libyan would prefer to live under Gaddafi now than be sold into slavery after the government was destroyed by America, which many hundreds of thousands of Libyans have experienced because the american government had to intervene in Gadaffi's "authoritarian rule". Might I add, this was exactly what you proposed doing to leaders like Stalin: killing them. And the result is a destabilized country where hundreds of thousands become slaves. The same in syria: if Assad were to be overthrown now to somehow let democracy in, the region would only get far, far worse than it already is. In these cases and many more, including Russia or Belarus (forcing democracy only resulted in right wing dictatorships), it is CLEAR that democracy was not an option, and trying to force it has only ever made things worse. Not to mention when "democracies" like america TAKE AWAY democracies like chile and REPLACE them with horrible dictatorships like Pinochet.
As an introvert I can only imagine myself acting like the first guy: shell-shocked, confused, and skeptical. How do you disprove a thing that didn't happen if they aren't actually listening to you, just fishing for a confession, and aren't willing to seek out the evidence that proves your innocence? So scary.
You don't have to prove it to them. They have to prove that you did it beyond a reasonable doubt! It's just better to refuse talking to them in general.
@Letalisful Yeah, because they will use any contradictory statements against you, and it's easy to do when you're under stress. Like if i asked you what you did yesterday you can probably recount most of it, but if i asked you again 2 weeks later you might struggle and remember the details a little differently, but any difference in the story of your day will be used against you, even if you're innocent.
I’m an introvert. But when I was falsely accused in a workplace setting for alleged sexual misconduct, I behaved even more aggressive than Justin. The worst part was never being told who my accuser was nor the specifics of the allegations.
Michael’s behavior is very unusual even for introverts.
All I could do was go over my actions for every second of the time frame in question and hope that somebody had enough sense to realize that I was the one telling the truth. I was cleared, but I don’t think my accuser ever faced any consequences for nearly ruining my life.
I’m an introvert with anxiety my flight and fight response to stressful situations will make me act like Justin even though my rational side would want to act like Michael
The issue is the burden of proof is supposed to rest on the prosecution.. its not up to you to prove you didnt do something, but on the prosecution to prove that you did without any doubt...
That's more then being an introvert that's the realization that your screwed for the moment and getting excited isn't going to help you. Maybe it is an introvert trait? We don't talk often, so when we do we look to see if we are getting through and not wasting our time. I don't know If it were me in 2015 I'd have been the same way. Now I'm a lot more jaded. I'm would laugh at the whole notion and say let see the tape. But I'm white and middle aged, I don't think they'd treat me anywhere near the same. Haven't had a cop come at me with his mind made up like that since I was a teenager.
@Sorest nah, when things are to much and im overwhelmed i shout down, i dont speak. ..i really can related what hes feeling at that Point why he went silent...
@Michael Hardin That's the part of accusations that are not really talked about. Especially with the cases that come down to word against word. It can't be proven or disproven with hard evidence. Yet the general public already hung the noose. It's scary tbh.
I know! And everybody was commenting about how they were worried about how they’d react to an interrogation because of their personality type and he addresses that right off the bat!!! This channel will go far. Love it.
What if the “witness” had no “suspect description” though? They mentioned it was a short white guy which obviously isn’t him, but if they had no tips as to who the suspect is and no video surveillance how would his innocence be proven?
I'm going to pass on one piece of information: Even when you're innocent, do NOT ever talk to the police. No person has ever been able to talk themselves out of being arrested and charged by the police, in the history of ever. Keep your mouth shut, get your lawyer, and have your day in court. Then you can sue the fucking shit out of them.
@countof3everybodyOD it’s not advise to criminals, it’s just common sense. Guilty or innocent, if the cops are trying to interrogate you just 🤐 and let your lawyer do the talking
@countof3everybodyOD Absolutely fucking not! Nobody else listen to this man, period. This is our 5th amendment right: to remain silent. It's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to let even 1 innocent man sit in jail for a crime he didn't comment. But a cop will sleep easy either way. They are not your friends, not your family, not your poker buddies, not your church members, not your coworkers.... they are there to do a job.
@Ryno Throwton unless you're driving you don't, never ever ever. Even in stop and frisk States they have to have reasonable suspicion for you to have to provide your name.
I just refuse and if they go on and on I just asked for a supervisor and if they go on and on I get my five figure payout
The minimum in the US is around 30k and it goes up from there depending on the negligence of the cops
Yeah! You have the right to remain silent , In the United States, the Miranda warning is a type of notification customarily given by police to criminal suspects in police custody (or in a custodial interrogation) advising them of their right to silence; that is, their right to refuse to answer questions or provide information to law enforcement or other officials. These rights are often referred to as Miranda rights. The purpose of such notification is to preserve the admissibility of their statements made during custodial interrogation in later criminal proceedings
I agree with you, but you're wrong in your assumption that nobody has ever talked themselves out of being arrested. Mike Dippolito was able to talk himself out of being arrested when his wife planted cocaine in his car and made an anonymous tip that he was a drug dealer. The cops found it and Mike was able to talk to them and convince them that he had no idea the drugs were there and he was being set up. He was able to convince the cops and they didn't arrest him.
So although I agree that nobody should talk to the cops without an attorney present, your claim that "in the history of ever nobody was able to talk themselves out of being arrested" is not true.
@Vault Chang You sue for whatever your lawyer tells you to, man. Because these arrests could have you sitting in jail for months until something happens with the trial process, unless you can post bail or a bond. But even then, missed wages, emotional damages, bond fees, lawyer fees, and everything else that comes with the shit. Wrongful arrests can be a good little payout, bud, but maybe it'll teach them to stress the importance of making proper arrests.
@CharlieTheTexan if you are arrested, a criminal lawyer can help you fight the charges but will not sue. If you were not jailed, it would likely be a small claims court where you would not have a lawyer as the legal fees will be greater than your requested amount.
Let's say you wish to sue for a large amount that was not frivulous. The police needs to have demonstrated improper handling, like in this video, or that you spent significant time in prison. If not, the judge will deem the lawsuit to be frivolous and you would be responsible for the additional fees.
The goal of having a lawyer present during the interrogation or arrest is to ensure the police are not behaving improperly and act as a witness.
There isn't that much money in these smaller cases as such we don't see that many statements of claims.
@Vault Chang Thats not really true... If you are held against your will there are multiple things you can sue for regardless of how well they followed their own particular 'procedure'. Procedure is not law, law enforcement procedure is also not law. If your rights are violated in any way by the state, you can sue. The cops could have literally laid out a steak and lobster dinner for you in a waiting room where they planned to celebrate your birthday with loved ones present, and if they picked you up even as a joke on charges that can not be corroborated they can get sued for violating your rights. I understand that a lower court judge might not take the case, but you can keep appealing to a higher court and if you ever catch an ear for any reason at all you get your case. There are people who literally have made a solid living from being arrested and suing the state for 6 to 7 figures, and they spent 1 night in a cell. The more you know about your rights and the more you understand that corporate statutes, codes, regulations, and guidelines are not laws... The more you realize just how free you can be.
@countof3everybodyOD Everybody -- guilty or innocent -- should get a lawyer immediately. It's in everyone's benefit -- especially society as a whole -- for even guilty people to have lawyers, if for no other reason but to ensure everyone on all sides of the case are being honest and following procedure. Most defense lawyers aren't there to spring murderers from jail, they're there to make sure the legal system functions in a proper way and that no abuses are taking place.
Ultimately it benefits the justice system, law enforcement, and our society to have a robust system of checks and balances in place throughout the process, not only to ensure that innocent people don't go to prison, but also to ensure that the guilty are properly charged through a transparent and airtight process, thus guaranteeing a conviction.
@Kitsune And you tell them "Well that's for the Judge to decide. You have a team of Investigators. I would like my attorny. No further comments until they arrive".
I have. I was wrongfully arrested and cleared my name during interrogation. This was in London tho... I was actually the victim, and it was clear as day when I was interrogated.
I’m so glad Michael was able to get out of that horrible nightmare and rewarded for what he was put through. I can’t believe Justin was incarcerated for over 2 years for something he didn’t do, when he was already trying to stay in the right path by staying out of trouble and working hard. I hope he was well compensated as well. May god help and be with all the innocent people who have been incarcerated.
@Jonatan Aaby everything is better about Norway but the bad thing about living there is that there isn't any other place on this earth where you can live better. It's hard to get used to living in other places.
@Cely he was unaware at the time of the clip not unaware why he was arrested, in court u are read your crimes its practically impossible to go to jail and not know what u have done
You misunderstood that, the narrator was talking about Justins reaction facing two years of prison innocently after having passed time in prison before, so knowing what that meant.
@Kitkat 240 actually the 45k was for the guy from Hamilton Ontario Canada who spent 2 days in jail. The guy who spent 2 years in jail was from the USA and didnt recieve anything for being wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years.
@rob mausser 45k for 3 days seems better but doesn't get rid of the unjust. The other Guy got nothing? -_- the american justice system needs some help.
@Shoonie He had to have been in jail for two years before his trial because the narrator mentioned the accuser being caught in a lie during court. Since he's innocent, I'm not surprised he wanted the case to go to trial.
His name is Justin Kendall and he had served 2 years in prison prior to this for a burglary. Then we was falsely accused for breaking an entry, burglary and assault. He was facing life in prison and because his bail was too high he spent a little over two years in jail fighting this case. He was eventually found innocent but didn’t receive any compensation for the two years he lost. Poor man.
There needs to be harsher penalties for police that try to pull this kind of shit. So the one guy had to go to jail for two years before being proven innocent? Okay, now YOU have to go to jail for the same amount of time for having absolutely no regard for other people’s lives. If these are the people we PAY to “serve and protect” us, then we’re in serious trouble.
They are hired to serve and protect the interests of the government, not the governed.
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Victor Nieves2021-05-29 21:38:52 (edited 2021-05-29 21:39:45 )
@notahotshot Exactly, I’ve been telling people this shit for the longest. How often has Law Enforcement as a whole actively fought against Government corruption? Never. They’re Government paid foot soldiers who operate like Mafia enforcers.
@Victor Nieves and when journalists are suddenly found dead, when they are about to unleash police secrets, it’s ruled out as “suicide” despite it being impossible
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Victor Nieves2021-05-29 23:12:35 (edited 2021-05-29 23:24:48 )
@Higai It’s always so obvious too. “He committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 4 times.”
In the first its clearly an attempt of intimidation to force a fake confession. There needs to be due process, in all cases. This officer accused someone and wrongfully imprisoned someone for a wrong place wrong time without evidence. If that second investigator didnt look into it, he wouldve faced a decade in prison for nothing and it wouldve ruined his life for the illusion of justice. This officer is unfit in my eyes, canada or no arresting an innocent man like this is the opposite of due process. If cops like these arent dealt with then it opens the door for more of this, it is madness that only leads to total lawlessness. In the case of the second not just the cops need to be removed from the force, the 'victim' of the fake crime needs to serve the sentence of the accused in full at least. At that point, the procecutor needs to be looked into and the standing jury checked cause if the evidence shows no guilt and its voted guilty then something happened. It is a violation of basic rights to be imprisoned for a crime without evidence and yet every day it happens.
@Yummy Medic he’s one of the lucky ones I remember a story of a dude who got locked away for years and years and finally on a whim from a detective looking into the case was found to be innocent. He got no compensation for his entire life being ruined jobs, assets, family, etc... all gone and he reserved nothing but an apology.
The thing that scares me the most about the 2 years while innocent; they had no true evidence, just the word of a few people. I know a guy who was held for weeks prior to trial, simply because someone accused him; no evidence, nothing.
It's the justice system, but it's insane and scary to think your life can be destroyed simply by someone lying. And worse, it so often happens that when those lies are revealed, no charges.
@Enso Deep Part of the oath of office empowers you. Too not follow unethical or illegal orders. " I was just following orders " is not an excuse. Nor does it relieve you of your guilt.
@Victor Nieves wait a minute your telling me the police who actively report other police for being corrupt don't count 😮 you sound just like your average blm protester 😀
@notahotshot as if a cop who makes less than a fast food manager would give af about what the higher ups want 😂 they just lock up the criminals to keep there community safe.
That sir is called a detective. The police is the one that was told "he yea we gotta suspect for possible breaking and entering and assault, he lives "x" can you go pick em up and bring him in for questioning? Appreciate it." They don't give the officer the whole story just a destination, a target, and an objective. Don't Mistake the justified officer for the wack ass investigators.
@Killer Macchiato Exceptions don’t disprove the rule, for the most part the “Good apples,” turn a blind eye. Just because I don’t like Government or Police does not mean that I support BLM, in fact, I’ve never even brought up race.
@Killer Macchiato Locking up criminals doesn’t make the community safe, a criminal is anyone who doesn’t listen to Government edicts. Someone who doesn’t pay taxes is a “Criminal,” does locking them up keep the community safe?
@Enso Deep, yes police will unlock my car door for me also. If I call them they will show up and deal with any crime I report. They will also trample on my rights if the government directs them to do so.
You, and I are revenue generators, our place in society is to generate revenue. Law enforcement is responsible for protecting the revenue stream, and the government that revenue funds.
Among law enforcement officers there are those who believe it is their duty to protect the people, and there are those who believe it is their duty to uphold the law. There is overlap, but these two do not necessarily match up.
Then their are those who believe that they are the law, and they serve themselves. These are the ones who are the real problem.
If you haven't trained your mind to healthy analyse a situation then you lose. That is why I'm thankful to what I've become rightnow. I was so innocent back then. People are so fcked up.
If two different people respond to false accusation in completely different ways, then it's clear that innocent people don't have some "universal" response, and all this behavioral psychoanalysis by JCS is kinda BS.
It is also likely that the fact one is in handcuffs and the other is not as to why one is more energetic from being restrained and also threatened with extended jail time.
@Sony She's saying that seeing innocent people being harassed, put under duress, and even falsely imprisoned is much more depressing than seeing someone guilty being analyzed, which can be stressful on the viewer in different ways (e.g. nature of crime, individual, etc.)
This is why I never understand people who criticize defense lawyers who are trying to make a case for their client-- like everyone hating Jose Baez or Jodie Arias lawyer etc...it is SOO much worse to convict an innocent person than to let a guilty person walk free. Lawyers NEED to provide the best possible defense and portray all possible reasonable doubt, it makes no sense for people to get so worked up about defebse lawyers doing their job we'd all want them to do for us
Strangely I think the opposite. I feel more hopeful when I watch this. Like come on argue your innocence, but when a guilty person argues I put myself in thier shoes to see if they can really outsmart the cops and I facepalm and cringe at every mistake that makes it obvious they did something.
@Chris K. Keep in mind that looking in on a situation from a distance with no emotional attachment is vastly different from being interrogated. Partially related to the hindsight point made in this video: it's way easier to observe mistakes as a third party, but being in the interrogation room itself changes things.
it's even HARDER than you realize. this happened to ME.... and you don't get "paid" any money like that. I was wrongly accused... suffered FAR longer sentencing... was entirely innocent.... and I just feel lucky to be "Free".... except for one thing. we ALL get treated as "Guilty". The title of this thing is correct............. most Americans are entirely unaware of the truth. All that $hyte on TV? yeah... you have NO RIGHTS......... you don't........... stop thinking you do... I think it is LAUGHABLE me, hearing this dude got $45,000 for his 3 days............. if that were (American) truth... they'd owe ME millions.... it's WORSE than people know ..... it just is. (the "system" will NOT let you incriminate The System .) fact .......................&nobody even realizes it.... until it happens to Them
@A R yeah it's not the lawyer's job to decide whether a person is guilty or not. It's their job to provide a defense for their client. When they are almost obviously guilty it can certainly be frustrating, but still that is not the lawyer's job to decide. It is their job to defend.
Happened to me over driving bullshit. They mistook my fucking car and didn’t even get the badguys right places cause he sucked at hIs job. Arrested for my car model.
@Christopher Anderson youre both making my point for me and then contradicting what you're saying. I dont find it frustrating at all when someone is "almost certainly" guilty, bc a) like you said its their job and they dont get to decide if someone is innocent ir guilty, they get stuck with a client and they review the case and determine where any possibilities of reasonable doubt can be raised and they raise them b) if there is actually no possibilities of a beyond reasonable doubt in the case as a whole, as with arguably jodi arias who from most perspective was never ever had a chance to be found innocent:(and whose lawyer wasnt tying to find her innocet) they will either recommend their client to plead out for as the best possible choice for or theyll build a defense to help the client to either avoid the death penalty or get the minimum sentence.jodis lawyer was trying to help her avoid the death penalty and it is so rediculous how people absolutley ruined his career and totally destroyed him for providing an entriley reasoable possibility that would help her, and c) not only is it important in terms of helping the cients sentencing but we know that cops get tunnel vision and are wrong and we know the facts of the case in those instances still do look bad for the person or sometimes law enforcement and prosecutors can connect them and natrate them in ways that make them look even worse than they are, so lawers still beed to be vigilant even in those scenarios and try to poke reasonable doubt in what can seem like a foolproof case.
Countless lawyers of the "americas most hated(for some reason it seems always only female) killers" have had their lives destoryed for defending the guilty and it's crazy... the reason that defense lawyers have a job is why the OP stated, and they should never be crucified simply for having a client whose guilty and providing them a defense regardless of if we "think theyre obviously guilty" and shouldnt be attacked non stop ever since about it. People seem to not understand the job of lawyers and will literally say things like omg they should go to jail also they are even more wvil for auggesting ahe may have been abused (and alot of crazy women probably were) or they are scum disgusting ahh w.e for saying anything possibly remotley nwgative about the victim (victims arent perfect) etc, its like these thing may be inportant in a case and people are so unrealstic and obnoxious in expectatjons and sinply association with a guiltly client whose hated therby makes you hatdd and somehow guilty of something. And thats just wrong considering the importance of their job.
The 26 year old dude really had my sympathy; been in jail before for the same crime so it was like digging himself out of a deep hole to begin with. Super glad both these guys were exonerated and hey, $46K! Not bad eh piggies
Remember this from now on. Next time you see how the cops treat someone who you know is guilty, remember that they do the same thing to people who are innocent, because back when they interrogated them, they didn't know if they were guilty or not: They were just trying to get a confession, whether it was true or not. You only know they're guilty after the fact.
Everyone should watch the lecture "Don't talk to the police" by the Regent University school of law. You ALWAYS ask for a lawyer, and don't say a word before they get there.
Not really. A guilty person could still say that if they're confident that the cops don't actually have anything on them. The thing with people is the variety in the way that things can be said, and the psychological games that people try to play. We can never know what all people would say. A guilty man can say what a innocent person would say. They're sitting there asking themselves, "What would an innocent person say?". Also the innocent person can slip up and convey guilt, mostly on accident or inadvertently.
@BeardOfPower Yeah people who are extremely emotionally manipulative can convey what emotion they want. It's terrifying because you can't tell the difference between them and the average person.
Not true, some people can be manipulative enough to react the same way as he did even if they were guilty.. it's the detective's fault if they accept this as 100% pure evidence and call him not guilty.. also 80% of the people who commented here have such an innocent soul that they've never even gotten back stabbed by someone before
@Carlcool20 I said 100% an indicator- not that it's 100% true- that reaction should have made the detective investigate thoroughly- which clearly didn't happen- he just ignored it
See, why that is not true is that the person who actually did it, probably cased the scene first. If that is so, he knows it's a bluff and can compose himself, even play on the "actual innocent" card that you would believe in hindsight. (Yeah, I just watched a documentary on casing for burglary. Quarantine's great, huh?)
@Carlcool20 Actually not bad. I recently discovered that I can use these not-too-fast-paced videos as background while working late, which has taught me what burglars are afraid of and that the innocent behave differently when confronted than I had thought. Also that 6 boys survived on a tropical island for 15 months :D So, I am comfy, still earning, and I'm better informed than ever :D
@Tyler Grant Fair point, Tyler. But take into consideration that if I know what he's saying is bull, I know he ran out of options and is at the mercy of my confession. That could signal relief.
I just doesn't understand the last part 19:40 , maybe the suspect was trying to be forthcoming towards the officer, but i would have just said, that i don't trust him at all and want another officer to get this case investigated, since he absolutely lied about the camera footage. How should i trust this person to cleanly solve this case?
Or ya know, train urself to relax at that term and get away with mass murder cuz it cant be you, you became relaxed and relieved when they said they had video proof
@Joe Sorrentino oh my fucking god when left brings up politics in totally unrelated subjects like video games the excuse is always "everything is political". Now what? Now it's somehow different.
@Joe Sorrentino Man your right!!! And when Trump shows the evidence that Obama illegally wire taped his building. Or when those guy get back from Hawaii with that birth certificate shit is gonna hit the fan!!! Oh yeah just a couple of more court appearances and Mayor Giuliani is gonna blow this whole thing up!! Many people are saying this. Everybody knows.
"Oh thank god you have video! Now we can find out who did it!" "I was actually lying. I know it was you. Say it was you. It was you? Just say it was you. Say it. 3. 2. 1. Say it. Just give the word. Was it you? It was you. Tell me it was you."
Lol, if this happened in the US, they'd get promoted instead. People go to jail for years while innocent and get nothing for their time. 40 grand for 3.5 days isn't bad at all. Canada, gets it right again, good job.
@SadgeJake Daniel Shaver was shot by a police officer while on his hands and knees crying because the officer was giving conflicting commands and he was terrified because he didn't know what to do. They let him get away with it and then gave him a pension.
It's disgusting some of the cases we have where police get away with fucked up shit. We need reform.
I hope there's no mark on his record because of this. I know a guy who was picked up from school by the cops and charged with planning a school shooting all because in casual conversation some outsider heard he said no security system is 100% proof. All he could think was having a charge on his record and screwing his future employment.
Seriously! Didn't even fucking check the alibi..? I'm really glad that other investigator came along and looked into it, that's total bullshit Guys trying to get a confession to boost his career and gets demoted, that's amazing
The other guy having to do 2 years is absurd though, just railing him because he had priors I hope he got a settlement too
We had a comment chain on another video saying it would be interesting to see innocent people so I'm stoked he posted this haha
He’s not even good at trying to sound convincing either, if he had video evidence there’d be no reason to accuse this man smh needs to find another job.
Actually the one investigator in the interview, Oliver Mann was promoted to Sergeant despite the botched investigation and insisted, despite the evidence and findings of the court that Dixon was guilty. The other main investigator was only suspended for 3 days and died so all of the money he was supposed to pay out didn’t get paid because they wouldn’t hold his estate responsible.
@guachingman He is what I would imagine would happen if someone skimmed through Jim's videos at 10x speed and was like, ok, enough training for me, let's go interrogate now.
the investigators in Egypt find that you are really innocent, they will accuse you Whatever You innocent or guilty , because they will not bother looking for the real criminal Simply you fuckd up anyway (Plus they become heroes And they get promoted 😂😂👌💲) Never talk about justice in your country 💀💀
To be fair the guy was hard to read. He reacts in a way that is bizarre for the innocent. I can see how based on reaction alone they get it wrong.
The REAL problem is the failure of the department to check into his alibi which would have cleared him and gave them more time looking for the correct suspect! How stupid are they?
I love how his attempt to get promoted for getting a confession without evidence (which was horribly misguided) led directly to him being demoted. I'd say that's a healthy dose of karma there.
Completely agree with you. The last 10 seconds of the video was the best. So relieved. Whoever the "outside investigator" was that looked into it, thank God they did. Holy shit.
I know right like “hey it was a short white guy” “alright, well I just arrested a tall black man and don’t want to admit that I’m wrong so I’m leaning into this”
I just came to say this same thing, that's awesome he was compensated so well, I hope he was able to get his job back as well! Good job to the REAL investigator who had his back
@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy well actually they asked if he was drunk before and he said no. It doesn't justify it, but if the officers knew he was drunk, it most likely wouldn't have happened
Yes. Thank goodness he got his dues and the pricks who tried to stake their reputation on him were punished. They deserve worse than a demotion though.
Amellia Mendel he didn’t LOL. Were you paying attention? He was arrested for coming home from work while being black. Or do you mean NO ONE should commit crimes, as in Utopia?Well good luck with that.
thebullylynch you beat me to it. As an Irish Catholic watching that shit in NI in the 80s, that ignorant comment they made nearly made my head explode.
@𝓕𝓾𝓬𝓴 𝓕𝓪𝓬𝓮 That one was in Canada, not England, and maybe because, that dude served three DAYS in jail, rather than the "Just over two YEARS." the American guy served.
@LemonGraab the Forsaken He probably didn't even notice it on the paperwork until he walked him into the integration room. Then realized, "SHIT, this dude it's black... not white." Then thought, he's tall as hell too ,and was just like, "Aw what the hell, Fuck it!!!! I'll just try and wing it, maybe he'll just say he did it. Then I won't have to go find the REAL criminal."
@SE Mowery sorry yes born in England and live in England you do get a fair trial here free phone call in minutes to call who ever i am just a old man who like to watch justice around the world so sorry if you where upset
@SovereignServant No, hes not Australian, he is an expat English man living in Canada. I live in London and we all know the difference between Australian and English accents.
@Adrian Dacruz I know the difference between English and Australian and he definitely doesn't sound English. I'm Scottish with family all over including Australia and England and there is definitely a twinge in his accent that makes him sound Aus.
@BCBtheBeastlyBeast and he was released with compensation after 3.5 days so no harm done. the other guy got 2 years though and we don't know what happened to him.
it’s the system that’s fucked up, i went to jail in my early 20’s for a marijuana cigarette “ first offense, and had to pay a lawyer 1g to reduce my felony to a misdemeanor. but the real kicker is that i had to work odd jobs for most of my life because of it, and it doesn’t say 1 joint on my record, says possession of illegal substance. and the crazy thing about it was that it wasn’t even good weed. there was no good weed in the early 90’s, where is my pay?
They were only suspended and demoted. That means they're still cops and still able to ruin other people's lives. There's nothing satisfying about that.
As a Native American in continental United States that is crazy. We can barely sentence people who kidnap and accost us because we’re traveling with our ID’s and not theirs to 18 months.
That $46k isn’t shit for what Micheal went through. So glad at least something happen to those pos detectives. Wish they had lost their jobs all together.
@andrew clifford | Take it from a Canadian, don't, don't, DON'T let yourself think like that. The old "well at least we aren't doing as bad as those guys" mentality is the reason why we HAVE most of the issues we do here. Such thinking lets you sweep serious problems under the rug.
And or an impressive conviction record, which begs the question, how many people are innocent but is omitted because he wants to look good on record having a lot of arrests. And will pull every dirty trick in the book to achieve his goal.
Conviction. All they want is to get a conviction. They don't care about getting the person who actually committed the crime. Much easier to get a conviction of a black person than a white person.
@Dr.Mabuse What you said doesn't make sense in the scope of what's being discussed. Trump isn't a lawyer and he never served as a District Attourney, because he is a real estate developer.
@javimiami92 In the scoope of "The cop doesn't care about the truth" and "That’s why I hate Kamala Harris" in an attempt to politicize the narrative, it may be worth pointing out that the truth is not so important to Trump either as he keeps pardoning criminals on a regular basis.
@Samaslamatha She wasn`t the DEFENSE lawyer, she was the prosecutor ! iirc there is all kind of shenanigans like that time she withheld evidence proving the innocence of a man on death row !
Want your mind blown on how police doesn't give a single fck? Search "Don Bradley Vigilant Elite". Guy was a CIA contractor for more than a decade, before he was serving in the military for a bunch of years, gets shot in the head on a random road rage incident, almost dies, gets arrested because they pulled the wrong rep sheet, his family doesn't even gets contacted, wife tries to clear everything, gets mistreated and they just double down on the accusations, meanwhile the guy that shot him wasn't even processed. He is lucky because probably a lot of crimes would be impossible and because he has A LOT of meaningful testimonies to his character, but still, if justice was this incompetent until now, it might very well continue to be and there is a chance he lands in jail over fckng nothing
@TheMiracleMatter That's the whole point of being a prosecutor and what I just said. You don't care about the truth or justice. The only thing that matters is your client. Its her job to get her client to go free, not the other way around.
@Samaslamatha Avoiding criticism of kaamala by doing watabouts to mike pence doesn't make her look better. Her record shows she is a careerist and will do anything to get ahead. Even forcing false confessions and withholding evidence to further her cases.
@DarthVantos Its not avoiding criticism. If she is a careerist who cares.. most people want to go up the ladder in their career and also whos to say that mike pence isn't a careerist.
@Gia I dont understand that detective, he didntfollow any potential lead to prove his innocence. That's his job. Is to make sure the Innocent dont get punished, and that the guilty get found. Not just the latter. He fucked up his life
@Shane Bolger they better have reviewed his actions on a false imprisonment and potentially had him fired, or at least demoted to a B-cop. Likely didnt though, unfortunately
Regarding the outcome of the case of 37 years old Michael Dixon whom was falsely accused of breaking into a jewellery store on August 15, 2003, in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
20:08 The narrator stated; "The truth eventually did come out but, the suspect wasn't treated decently, he was kept in jail for three and a half days before a separate investigator looked into his alibi, witnesses and checked surveillance of the area in question. He was then exonerated immediately, a civil trial ensued and Michael was awarded $46,000 in punitive damages. The interrogating officer and three other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay."
Yeah like "Don't tell her what happened, don't tell her that I'm arrested, just ask, give her no way of knowing about this whole situation so you know she has no reason to lie and if that's not enough it's their word against mine and my mother's, if you don't have any any other evidence, which is impossible since I weren't there"
@dig deeper Thank you for your response. My comment was transcribed from the narrator in conclusion of the video and wasn't updated. I found the additional information you've provided in the link to an article very interesting, particularly knowing the following identities of the incompetent police: Oliver Mann, Christian Beaulne and Jason Leek Mann, have since been promoted to sergeant, Beaulne is dead.
@Richard The Eighth - Oh you were very clear on where it was coming from, I got that. Some story, eh? At first I thought $46K sounded not half bad for 3 days' stress. Not after finishing the real story. It just makes sense to give cops like that consequences, but that was back in 2006. I wonder if we'll ever get back to those days again, where consequences aren't dependent upon critical theory.
@dig deeper Ditto, $46k for tolerating three days of BS. As the saying goes "the truth eventually comes out." Globally, policing is no longer policing because it attracts psychopaths, criminals and tyrants, typical behaviour of the younger generations, whom don't have sufficient people skills or life experiences, and expect everything to be served to them on silver platters. They've disconnected themselves from the communities they've sworn an oath to serve and protect, with honesty and integrity. Now they only serve their masters, in the process line their pockets with our hard-earned pennies, whilst facilitating their egotistical desires. It is my opinion that all must take part, particularly the younger generation in order to bring changes if we are to get those old days back.
@Richard The Eighth - I see your point, but is it really fair to put it all on younger generations?
1. Who raised them? 2. Who schooled them? 3. Who's using them now?
I don't think they disconnected themselves from communities, I think that was done TO them. There are still lots of older cops, and the ones in charge are older as well.
The most diabolical, seasoned politicians RN are Boomers. The fact that it's a worldwide phenomenon is proof this break down of traditional values is orchestrated, so what chance did young people have? It's also proof that psychopathy is rampant in Boomers. They're doing the orchestrating! Many boomers are out there marching with BLM, in body or spirit.
Even lacking the constitution of some of the older generation, there's a notable contingent of Z/Millenials who want to do right by their country but need better leadership. I think you're right, the younger generations will be required to help right things. And, as happens in revolutions, the ones with the establishment will have anger on their side, a good motivator. But those fighting for freedom will be fighting for their lives
@dig deeper You've raised some great good points and your communications are cogent. Regarding the younger generation, tarring them with the same brush was a little unfair, I'll express that as the young with said behavioural traits appear overrepresented, but also across different ages, as well as agree with you on points one and two that their nurturers, carers and educators bear a responsibility. On point 3, it is my opinion that the Freemasons, so-called elites and other influential people in power, and their organisations that finance and operate a global network and fully agreeing the "politicians" public and private sectors influence and use them. Just as you mentioned the disconnect was "done to them by the older cops" you're bang on. Equally, the cops own desperate recruiting measures, inadequate vetting process and lowering the IQ level, decreasing then eliminating free thinking individuals to those void of mind, unthinking individuals (robots programmed to follow orders) prolific, particularly amongst the ranks of the younger cops. Consider the facts that before each shift all cops are briefed by senior ranking cops on what duties they are to carry out and they're reminded of the attitude they must exhibit in order to maintain the upper hand over the public.
I guess we'll be doing our best to hold our public servants accountable, keeping them in check, by continuing to exercise our rights in order to maintain our freedoms.
@c10wn baby at the time of my comment I didn't watch the entire vid and went off what I heard already. It was also very apparent the guy asking hadn't watched it all either
17:08 - Not enough. The interrogating officer should be fired, immediately arrested for FELONY false imprisonment, as the offense was perpetrated by abuse of authority.
I’m just imagining them chasing a 5’3” white guy down an alley then he turns, they lose sight for like 3 seconds, hit the same corner and just tackle a random black dude walking down the street. “We got him bois”
Firstly, arrest the first black fella you see and disregard the initial report. Secondly, lay out the situation and then be deceptive. Thirdly, use anything they say against them.
Well he is a tiny male in a white tea, maybe the camera was black and white and maybe it could've looked like him especially with a white shirt idk . but this guy seems like it was very very easy to find the truth, i also dont understand in this situation they are talking yet he says to him "there is no reason to talk about weither yoy did it or not" thats just foolish to come to a conclusion before even going through the proper steps and their demotion was earned and thats great news
@Lewis Beattie not really, the vast majority of shootings blm protested were justified if you look at the cam footage yourself. BLM is now asking for bodycams to be removed after lobbying for it to be there in the first place. If police can kill black people without repercussion why don't you go ahead and release Chauvin? lmao
@tmoe American means from the United States, it's the accepted demonym for the United States of America. "United Statesian" isn't a real word. And unless you've been living under a rock medias hate police in the US, within context it's very clear the subject in discussion is policing in USA, stop being dense
It's like the boondocks bit of that dude on death row getting arrested. At least this guy got to sue and get money for this bs and the officers were demoted.
@Lewis Beattie police wouldn’t be killing white, black, or brown if they weren’t trying to attack them, shoot, stab, get their guns and many other things on a DAILY BASIS!!! This is NOT a new thing. It’s been happening forever! Criminals will always try to do whatever to get out of trouble.
@Iaqh Canadiens, Mexican, Brazilians: these are all Americans. Just as French, English, and German are all Europeans. "Are you a idiot?" I enjoy the fact that 62 people responded yes to your question; 63 counting yourself.
@iceson lokos We aren't the only country American country. Just the only ones to incorporate the name of the continent into our name, ostensibly to be obtuse.
@Kalyn C. How do you know that @Tuna is american? Also, when people see racist police work and instantly reply that this must be american police, despite it being not the case, then I don't see how that is possibly not implying that racism only exists in America. If you think that my intention was to belittle it, you are mistaken, because I actually meant the opposite, whch is that racism exists everywhere but people like to claim it is only a (big) problem in the US. For example, when people in my country are dicussing wether we have a structural problem with racism in the police, people always like to bring up, that our police officers are not american cops after all and of course not racist, because in our wonderful country we couldn't have such a problem. It is a defensive mechanism against criticism of the police outside of the US, that even parts of the left fell for and it needs to be called out.
Shit I was in opposite situation they were looking were for a black man 5'3 to 5' 5 wearing black hoodie shorts black backpack. I'm white 6 foot was wearing the same thing. They called his description over the radio I looked at him said I want your supervisor here right now. Sat in the back of a cop in hand cuff for 30 minutes for him to show up. Then laughed when he chewed them out because I'm wrong race and half a foot taller than the person they were looking for
@Pepe Beezon you said to get my eyes checked, in reference to my "pot calling the kettle black, but the kettle is blue" analogy, either you don't understand what I meant by that, or you're trying to backtrack
@Pepe Beezon you haven't tried to explain anything, you've just been insulting my intelligence. If you want to try and explain the logic behind what you're trying to say here we can try and come to an agreement, or we can just sit here throwing stones back and forth at each other and calling each other names.
Since I'm the one I still spell it out for you, is that what I'm saying here, is that your first response doesn't make sense. I've been question you on what you mean by that, in which you go on a tirade about semantically not calling me a kettle or a pot. I then ask you to actually explain your argument, instead of just hurling insults, to which you respond by... Hurling insults. What exactly are you wishing to accomplish here?
Can I swear to God if you try and get me on misspellings, or the weird grammar, I'm using voice to text so it's a lot harder to correct the way that things are said
@Yeet SpaceAlpha >goes around calling people dense without elaborating on anything >people respond in kind >"you're just looking for a reason to be better than someone" And you're right, I didn't form any argument in my conversation with you. But what is there to form an argument about since all you did was calling me dense? You don't get to play the "you don't have an argument" card when you initiate the conversation with just calling people dense
I can admit that I'm in the wrong for not actually explaining my half, yet repeatedly asking for your argument. But I will say that you never actually answered the question of what you meant. You can give your answer in the next reply to this, being that I'm not going to ask again, and this is my final reply overall
You know what, no. Where did you get the information that you mentioned in your first comment. That being the no more body cams, the being racist towards white people stuff?
Because the track record of where that information usually comes from, is not a reliable source, meaning that there is usually a cognitive dissonance to fully believe something like that. So hence my original joke," the pot calling the kettle black, except the kettle is blue" the analogy being, that you are calling someone else out for being dense, whilst they are not that, you in fact are.
@Anonym 1 the usa and the west is where ppl pay very close attention to anything racist go somewhere else like asia and u will see open blatant racism like the usa had 100 years ago not joking ppl are insanely racist outside the west but no one is there to point it cause they are basically all racists
I'm not even gonna scroll down and I can tell someone is talking about racism down there, people are so annoying, I'm sorry for everyone who read through the negativity, have a great day
He was an easy suspect he had a criminal past and it happened to be robbery. They were lazy pointed the finger at him locked him up and called a lunch break
Michael Dixon's reaction to being falsely accused is the reaction of someone who has probably never done anything wrong before and finds the situation utterly ridiculous versus the ginger guy who has been locked up before and knows exactly what's coming and is trying to avoid it all costs. Understandably that's why his reaction is much more emotional.
It's impossible not to get emotional at the thought of going to jail specially if your a law abiding citizen, Micheal is on a different level here, yes you can keep calm but i doubt any innocent person would just accept things like this.
@Deecee I disagree. I believe that video and the commenter was trying to say that Michael as an innocent man can’t believe the situation he’s in and ultimately will find some way out because there’s really no evidence against him. That’s why he was so happy to hear that there’s video evidence
@Deecee lol well you’re obviously wrong because here we have a video of a man who was falsely accused and he managed to stay calm. As tangible as a counter example as you can get lmaooooo
@Deecee you're looking at it from a biased position of how YOU would react. Not everyone has a short fuse and reacts aggressively to situations. Michael is literally evidence that you are wrong, since he is by factual definition an innocent person.
@scored I may have confused you guys with my comment, what I was trying to say was micheal was exceptional in being calm and accepting of the situation, which was specially hard when you know the truth and have evidence for it.
English is my third language im sorry if i got you guys confused
No, I would be fuming if they talked in active tense that I did something that I know I didn't do. I think anyone would & has every right to whether they've done anything in the past or not. You don't mess with anyone's livelihood like it means nothing.
@Deecee I was just being pedantic really, I know what you meant lol. Clearly Michael here is very intelligent, and most definitely finds the whole situation ridiculous
I don't think that's the point, I mean, I've never been arrested but I would act the same way as the guy who started talking loud and shit Its more about personality the vid explains pretty well :p
It's partly that, but it's also the difference in psychology in the difference between a black dude being accused and a white dude being accused in a police station. The black dude knows he needs to stay calm. The white dude knows he doesn't need to and can let his emotions go.
@Deecee I 100% disagree with you. For some people they understand the upper hand at staying calm. He offers the investigator genuine evidence but refuses to look at it before putting him behind bars. You probably are a convict yourself taking notes on what to do to not get caught.
Also, he knows that he has a solid alibi. The emotional guy, knows he only has his Mums word. Michael has the fact that he has been at work, and on a bus. That 'detective' could have proved Michael's innocence beyond any doubt with a couple of phonecalls.
@Is it over yet? yeah well, as someone with red hair and someone who is also white, it just seems unnecessary to use a derogatory term rather than a practical one.
@Deecee not everyone reacts emotianally lol. Plenty of people that hide their emotions around strangers or family. And on top of that hes a grown man not a toddler so being able to remain calm is not that out of the ordinary honestly.
Just sitting here in the U.S. wondering what it’s like for cops to be held accountable like that. Demotion and suspension without pay!? That terrible interrogator would have been promoted here.
B BG2022-03-18 09:22:11 (edited 2022-03-18 09:38:49 )
As many might not know (accents!) it is Hamilton in Toronto, CANADA where this happened with Michael Dixon, not the USA. BTW the technique they used is REID strategy which is not concerned with innocence, more like guilty until proven innocent.
@go away by your logic, it is unfair to assume your parents are their to help you. It is impossible to generalize all investigative officers as completely unwholesome and robotic.
@VeggieBoi9836 but it IS unfair to assume, without additional context, that your parents are there to help you. Many many people have abusive or manipulative or selfish parents. There are no requirements to being a parent besides having working genitalia.
Police officers in most of the world have low or at least imperfect standards of training and supervision. How many McDonald's workers fuck up your order? Do you trust all of them to not spit in your food? Probably most of the time, unless it's a very poorly run franchise or a worker who doesn't care about their job or the franchise is known to have corrupt staff with a history of food spitting.
Apply the same logic to cops. Sure you expect and hope for them to do their jobs perfectly, but the fact is that they're not held to high enough standards and not held accountable enough for their actions in most cases. Anyone can make a mistake but when you're in that position of authority the price isn't a Big Mac with pickles when you asked for no pickles, it's people's lives.
@VeggieBoi9836 except cops have an extensive history of being corrupt and not having nearly enough training….sure there may be some “good guys” that are cops and wanna do well but no matter what they work for a corrupt broken system and uphold corrupt laws. They are sworn to uphold the law no matter how fucked up it is. So no, “good cops” don’t exist. Any “good cop” would quit and actively fight for change. That’s the only cop I’d ever trust.
@VeggieBoi9836 they're not completely unwholesome and robotic but that wasn't his point. The point is that their job is to find someone who's guilty and not to help the innocent. If that's what they get paid for, it's really just wishful thinking to assume that they'll be all nice and helpful instead of doing their actual job.
What’s worse is that all the “investigator” had to do was investigate readily available surveillance footage. He knew that he was trying to get a confession from an innocent man to further his career.
@Guytrash Gurtdog Then when there are no "good guys" in the system what is suposed to happen, will it colapse on itself. A good person with high enough standards in the correct place can inspire and push forward those near them. We perceive cops as corrupt because what we are exposed to, it doesn't outstand when a cop does their job because that's normal, that's what they are supposed to do, so we don't have caounter for "times a cop has done their job". But when a cop does something wrong it outstands and our brain tends to compare it with other things specially with our inexistent counter and then we are biased. Our perception has been skewed by the simple fact that we don't have all the information.
There should be a law in place that interigators can't lie about unshown evidence they have during their questioning, and can only omit information or insinuate they have it. Or if they bring the evidence up as an argument, they must present it to the suspect. Because I wonder how many false confessions have came from that kind of tactic? Especially with the way they pressure suspects and try to break them down mentally.
I respect those who work hard to catch dangerous criminals. I get that it's their job get the truth whatever means necessary. But for someone who's job it is to find the truth, they sure do lie a whole bunch.
I once got accused of shoplifting when I was about 14 years old (I didn't do it btw) and me and my friend got called in and he accused me just like that for looking at make up, never did I open my bag or put anything anywhere; so I ask him "so what did you see?" and he tells me, he saw me on the camera taking something and putting it in my bag then I was happy because I thought 'great, no way there is anything there! I can prove my innocence by looking at that again' so I tell him 'okay, show me' and he was like 'what?' (clearly confused and I didn't get it) so I tell him again to show me and he suddenly gets up and tells me that I can go; just like that no words, no video, no apology; NOTHING! I was so confused and I still don't get what his deal was when I asked to see the footage...
I mean, if you had filmed a crime, would you want the police showing the footage to who they think is the criminal, considering things like the angle or other details might let them identify you? An attorney could probably get to see it though, right? And then bitchslap everyone involved hopefully.
If you're guilty, these words are ominous because that evidence could actually exist.
If you know you're innocent, it can't possibly exist. If you were never there, there cannot be any physical evidence tying you to the scene. If you were down on the lakeshore smoking a bowl or three, your shoes weren't leaving bloody tracks on the other side of town.
Remember that if you are ever in this situation. You know you're innocent and you know the cops will see that -- eventually. That knowledge will make you behave like the innocent person you are.
@Amethyssite Yes they do, that's the purpose of "patrolling". Also by solving crime and getting criminals off the street they might prevent future crimes from happening
I absolutely hate being falsely accused of anything, even just people telling me I did something I didn't, it gets me fucking furious, I don't know how I'd react in a situation like that
I know a guy who gets furious at both being falsely and rightly accused. I think at that point its more of a how dare they contradict me thing than anything else.
I was so satisfied with this ending with "the investigators were demoted and suspended without pay". Especially after how smug the investigator was at the start.
This is super scary. You can literally just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and end up in some shit. First thing I’d say, I watch JCS on YouTube, get me a lawyer.
@RandomChristianMusings it certainly harms all races, but it would be dishonest and hypocritical to not acknowledge that it harms POC disproportionally
Watching this shit makes me so angry. Wish I could find it funny but it’s absolutely freaking ridiculous. The damn suspect was white. I’m so glad the detectives got in trouble. That doesn’t often happen here in the US. Sadly. I’m fed up with poc being guilty and jailed until proven innocent. Our founding fathers made our bill of rights to make sure this shit didn’t happen. Yet it happens every damn day in every city in every state in this white washed racist country.
@ImNotNarcian for the record I’m just comparing it to something that south park would do and I understand that the situation was due to incompetence rather than racism.
@Tim O'thy If you'd have stopped and thought about what you were reading, you wouldn't have 1, gotten so triggered... 2, looked like an idiot in the process... And 3, made me stop and have to explain the joke.
@Mad Scientific Hey. That's my bad and your right. My ability to sense sarcasm was not working last night and I failed to read the room. I see that now and I apologize.
Well that's just how it goes. If there's no person around fitting the description go for the black guy. If there is someone fitting the description still go for the black guy.
@Allison Robertson he was jailed or found guilty. In fact the white guy from the other clip was. So what's your point??? Please Don't make up boogeyman like that. Just starts more racial discourse and anger between people. Makes the gap bigger
@Karlis Liepa He is 100% black, if you're somehow unable to tell in the video all you have to do is google Michael Dixon and literally the first picture will show you he is black.
If this didn’t happen to me, I would laugh. A white female cop stopped me on my way home from grad school classes because a white man with blonde cornrows robbed a bank. I, a black woman with my hair braided, was stopped and searched because obviously it was me. 🙃
@Angel Ambi As I said I understand that it was due to incompetence rather than racism. I’m just saying it sounds like a joke they’d make on south park.
@Angel Ambi I will point out that the police were chasing a WHITE man that robbed the jewelry store they were told it was a WHITE man, and so when they lost track of him literally arrested the first BLACK man they saw. The white guy in this video going to jail was because of complete bs, the black guy getting arrested was racism. You literally cannot say it's not because of racism. Any person with even half a brain would be able to instantly tell that the guy they're arresting could not possibly be the person they were chasing because he literally is a different colour.
@Marcos Jimenez because of our current racial climate, hispanics are sometimes counted as white in pursuits because of the range of difference in color, some hispanics are white, some are brown etc. Sometimes this even extends to browner hispanics so long as u arent orange.
Exactly! If ever there was a stronger evidence of racial profiling! 😮🤔🙄 The policeman also states that there is no evidence to his innocence... er, ...
@Carole Berreur *Detective The claim is used to pressure guilty people to confess and admit to their crime, he was much less pressuring at the end of it because he had began to question the own evidence he had.
Don't mistake it as Racial Profiling, its just an interrogation method, they did the same to the white guy and was adamant about his guilt, he was the one who was actually incarcerated not the black guy.
@Marcos Jimenez bro, i don't undestand a shit of this measure of American height, here in Brazil the height is measured by meter. for example, I have one meter and sixty-eight centimeters (1.68)
@RandomChristianMusings it harms all races, but statistically blacks r more likely to experience injustice by those sworn to protect and serve, and imo it's harmful to only bring up injustice to all races when people bring up the obvious systematic racism towards black people that the police force is literally founded off of
@GamingPhreak you don't even know what the term means let alone how to actually apply it. If you can't pass a GED test there's no way you're ready for this conversation. Sit down
@LORD HUNTER {Lua superior 3} mah, pra converter para pés e polegadas vc basicamente divide sua altura em cm por 30, o resto da divisão tu divide por 2.5, a divisão por 30 resulta nos pés, o teu da 5 e tem resto 18, ai divide o resto dessa divisão por 2.5, no seu caso da arredondando 7, assim você tem sua altura em pés e polegadas, a sua deu por volta de 5'7".
@RandomChristianMusings Yet the disparity of black and POC being apprehended as suspects/racially profiled is still large. Tell me one thing, what is so hard and scary about accepting the racism and discrimination that exists? Such fragile guilt feelings man cmon
@Marcos Jimenez this whole racism thing wouldn’t happen so much if people started getting fathers back in the homes, and moms to stay with their husbands. Statistically, your more likely to go to jail without a two parent household.
Michael trusted the detective would do his job and properly investigate. If it weren’t for the fourth detective Michael would have gone to jail. I’m very grateful the three investigators were demoted. I hope they looked into all the cases these detectives have worked on.
Officer 1: suspect is a white male, 5’8” with a beard and long hair. Wearing a bright pink jacket, with “I’m the man you’re looking for” written on the back.
Officer 2: arrest the first black man I see? Got it.
First guy is an average good natured citizen who is oblivious to the seriousness of his situation. Second guy has done time already for a similar charge. He knows how serious his situation is, and how his record is probably going to screw him. When he freaks out, he has fully realized he's going back to jail even though he's been doing the right thing. I feel bad him most of all. Did a crime when he was young. Did his time, realized jail/prison sucks and he isn't built for it. He gets out, works hard and honestly, yet some scum bags accuse him of a serious crime just because they know he's going to look more guilty because of his record. I hope he's doing well now.
@mipspc I 100% agree with this. Anyone that purposely, falsely accuses someone of a crime should absolutely be counter charged with an equal or more serious sentence. Yes, it occasionally happens with a falsfication charge or community service, but totally agree they should have the same penalty be brought against them. Like false rape charges that happen because a girl doesn't like someone. So many of them just drop the charges or say oops when they know they won't win. So few ever get so much as a wrist slap for destroying someone's life. Even just being accused of something today carries a huge stigma that can ruin your life. False accusers absolutely need to be charged, every time.
i don’t think he doesn’t realize the seriousness of the situation. He’s just confident the truth will come out. I always act like that when i’m falsely accused of anything
Yeah that guy, he's like great, look at the security camera footage, talk to the eyewitnesses, why didn't the police at the scene go talk to the bus driver? He has way more faith in the system than he should have. He doesn't freak out or aggressively proclaim his innocence because he thinks the police will quickly investigate and they will see that he did nothing wrong.
@Marie Brown I agree with your assessment here. This man is an innocent person but my goodness, he is so close to going to prison for a crime he did not commit.
@ShiroTheHiro i disagree here. it’s very difficult to prove rape, which is why most charges are dropped. it’s not because they’ve given up. very rarely are people falsely accused of rape, and when they are, the accused is capable of bringing the accuser to court and suing them for defamation. you’ve got the right idea, but wrong motivation. because most people don’t bring their cases to court til months or even years later, it becomes a lot more difficult to sufficiently prove what had happened, beyond reasonable doubt. rape cases are some of the most difficult cases to prove. please, avoid dismissing violence against women because you fear that you’ll be accused simply because a woman “doesn’t like you”. it stems deeper than that.
@gracie s-r Do you know how insanely difficult it is to prove defamation and how for many people even once it is proven they defamed another there is minimal to no consequences?
@gracie s-r I don't think you understand that just the act of accusing someone ruins their life. There are cases where people have proven they were falsely accused of rape and their lives are still ruined.
@gracie s-r Yeah.... You really need to look at the actual standards. You managed to avoid mentioning any of the important things.
After all, by your standards, if I could prove you implying me not being educated cost me money, I could take you to court and win... And anyone who is even remotely aware of how the legal system works finds that view laughable.
Trust me the first guy isn't oblivious to the seriousness of the situation lol i react the same way cos all i want us peace and i don't like competitive and combative behaviors and i've dealt with those kinds of behaviors too much in life while growing up and having anxiety and depression knowing how people will take advantage of that too, my natural instinct is just to just work through situation so i know what i'm dealing with until the end to sort this out but... if my safety is threatened in any way i too will file a lawsuit in the fullest force.
I didn't want to draw attention to myself, i tried to resolve this peacefully but you didn't... and it also only shows intelligence because it's the best way to catch people out when people mean us harm not having our best interests at heart and trying to trick us for no reason at all... you took it there anyway even when you said you had nothing to gain, clearly you did, Why did you have to take it there if you meant no harm?.
That's why someone like us hates competitive and combative behaviors cos people do stupid stuff and we logically see it as aggression and ill intention cos it usually is, you don't NEED to get combative or yell either, we're ppl that see things for what they really are, that cop was off the bat clearly trying to find the first person he saw to take the fall for it as an easy solution.
@gracie s-r Rape is easy to prove. You need to immediately call the police LIKE WITH ANY SERIOUS CRIME!!!!! They send an ambulance and they use a rape kit to gather the evidence.
@gracie s-r I'm not talking about girls who are truly raped and you know that. There have been countless cases where girls - and it's usually young girls - accuse boys of rape because of any number of false reasons. I'm using that as a specific example. Hell, there was that USU student 2 years ago that was literally getting railroaded until they found a security clip of him and the girl leaving the bar all over him. It was the ONLY thing that saved him and she said "you're right. He didn't rape me. I was embarrassed". And that was it. I'm talking in those specific circumstances. So dont take that example out of context. You know exactly what I mean .
The police are a real issue in this country, flat out, ego with a badge. Completely lost to what they were originally formed to do, protect and serve. I'm not sure it's even possible it's so far gone and corrupt at this point. When you have a good cop rate of like 1-2/10, you're not succeeding.
So satisfying to hear Michael was granted 46k at the end of it, those investigators should have been fired though. I feel sorry for anyone who is incarcerated under circumstances like this.
Yeah he sucked but we don't know his track record, he could have had a million other amazing interrogations. Perhaps his wife divorced him that morning. lol who knows. but yeah the whole time I'm like... This can't be happening.
@FannyBandit I'm sorry that you think so, but in reality it's actually a factual thought/observation. are you saying you know a person completely and fully from one encounter? No it's just not possible. Basically what I'm saying is...you should stop looking for comments to put your stink breath attitude on and realize I didn't like the investigators attitude either if you can read.
Say you're having a bad day at work like everyone has on this planet, do you deserve to be fired for that? Also let me give you a few examples of excuses so you can understand the English language properly.
"I'm sorry for being late, I was stuck in traffic"
"I was not in school today because I had a doctor's appointment"
However me stating we don't know the kind of day an individual is having nor do we know his life story is not an example of an excuse being used, but a fact. it's what we call giving an alternative view to the current situation being perceived or as some call "not judging a book by its cover". we see this guy is being a bit of a prick, fact. assuming he is always like this based on one situation is not a fact but an observation.
I hope you take the progression of your education into consideration as it will prevent you from further humiliation in the future.
Or maybe they should've been charged and imprisoned. Their levels of negligence and injustice can, and does, ruin lives. And people wonder why so few trust in law enforcement.
@Matilda Stanford look at the ending I'm sure the man was ecstatic to get almost 50 grand. Besides say the man was guilty and the investigator was doing this technique our opinions would be completely reversed in hopes for the investigator we don't know how many times the strategy has worked for him and how many murders he's brought to Justice. It's a risky maneuver unfortunately investigators aren't the ones bringing in the suspects that would be the police grunts. The investigator has to rely and trust that he was brought an actual suspect. it was a risky move and this time it was quite unsuccessful.
@Hex Slayer yes but he was only cleared because another detective looked into it more, if he hadn't and they went thru with the prosecution/ sentencing that innocent man would still be in prison as we speak. And apart from that fact no monetary compensation could ever be worth the stress and damage to his life, for you to suggest otherwise says more about you than it does me. I am of the opinion that there needs to be far stricter repercussions for L.E.O blatant miscarriage of justice AND for anyone who falsely accuses anyone else (aka perjury) of a crime that is proven to be deliberately misleading that is, currently, not happening.
@Duane that's a bit of a stretch because in life there are so many awful things that can happen and to say ones actions cannot be written by what they have gone through is a farce. However I agree this situation is horrible. But nobody is perfect and how we nitpick everything in today's society, is becoming suffocating for everyone. The anxiety of pleasing every single person on the face of the planet has been the recent obsession of our society.
I guess the real and true concern in the end is if the real bad guys were ever caught.
That really tipped me off for the differences between US and Canadian law enforcement oversight. In the US, he would have been awarded $12 and a bus ride home, and the cops would have gotten off scot-free.
@Hex Slayer It's not a matter of trying to please everyone it's a matter of don't fucking lie about having evidence of a crime when you don't, in fact, have evidence of that crime, then hold someone in custody based on the evidence you do not actuallly have.
the 46k was definitely not worth it. It looks like Michael was very not familiar with the system. and he would've definitely got something on his record and removing records in Canada is a very tedious process and prospective employers might still get see the record which would be a huge red flag if the HR/hiring manager isn't big on context (which they wouldn't be if they're in a hurry). a year of minimum wage is not worth a lifetime of difficult career prospects. He should've freaked out like a normal person and hopefully someone more senior could be brought in to clean the mess
@Hex Slayer "I got stuck in traffic therefore it's completely okay and I should go completely unpunished for trying to ruin someone's life for something they didn't do so I could get a promotion" bruh do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound, you're actually trying to justify a cop commiting a crime with "but they could have been stuck on traffic earlier that day :("
@Hex Slayer Independently of whatever the cause it is that made the detective act like he did, incompetence has no place in such delicate lines of work. When you have the power to fuck somebody's life up, maybe being an easily swayed emotional troglodyte makes you unfit for that job.
@Hex Slayer None of what you've said could excuse deliberately attempting to sentence a man to prison time, effectively ruining their life. The sheer stupidity of your argument is quite baffling, honestly, and continuing to assert your position within it is what's truly "humiliating." Ijs.
It sucks it happened but I’m so happy he got a least a decent reward. Cops always just trying to pin it on on someone to either get the ego boost of solving the crime fast or meet that arrest quota
@Hex Slayer that doesn’t warrant a falsely accused arrest. And on top of his innocence, he wasn’t even treated correctly with 3 days in jail before they even took what he said into consideration. That is just straight negligence and slightly unethical as you’re trying to get to the bottom of a case, not trying to make up one and pin it on someone. Glad they demoted
@Matilda Stanford the worst part is, if he goes to look for other jobs, the most likely will see this on his record even if they took it off which can cause so many relationship problems in his life: coworkers, new jobs, new spouse. It’s so ducked.
@Hex Slayer and the novel you wrote in response to Bryce is just you trying to use a lot of words to drown out how dumb you feel for saying something so ludicrous.
@Hex Slayer and what would have happened if no one looked at his case? If he did it to this gentleman, what was stopping him from doing it to previous innocent people? The implications of letting a person with that kind of mindset hold power over anyone are terrible regardless of the details in Michael's situation. That officer is terrible and shouldn't have been put on leave. He should have lost his job, bare minimum and served time for attempting to forge a guilty verdict imho.
@ShadedFrenzy that's the serious problem with today everyone always says what if this happens or what if that happens? Guess what, it didn't happen that way this is what happened so stop making up false realities and thinking of these outlandish worse case scenarios, I'm sick of people not looking at the good in things and always look towards the horrible awful things that can happen. STOPPIT! it's insane. This guy had a happy ending. lol ffs.
@Hex Slayer its not making up a false reality, its the mindset that that officer showed in current reality. you genuinely dont think, if he was willing to do it so boldly in this situation, that he wouldnt do it again if he got away with it? that he hadn't done it before? you dont stay with a person that cheats once because it wasnt on you.
i'm relieved and happy that michael's story ended how it did, but not taking into account the INTENTION of the officer and believing this was just some kind of fluke on his part is incredibly short-sighted. the officer got off way too easy, bottom line.
It's hilarious to me, as the video mentions that they try to get these blind confessions as it's a means of possible promotion, and they ended up getting demoted at the very least. But I agree, they shouldn't have been allowed to keep their jobs. It sounds like it was a number of systematic issues. The arresting officers probably told the interrogating officer that this was 100% the guy. I don't know how law enforcement works, but imagine you're the interrogating officer just trying to get through your day. The arresting officers make it known that "this is the guy" why wouldn't you believe them?
@Hex Slayer Yeah, if you are in a position of authority such that you can destroy someone's life with your negligence, you need to keep your fucking head on straight at all times. No excuses. If you are having a bad day and you don't think you can do your job without falsely imprisoning another human, stay home that day.
@Hex Slayer Except for the fact that the investigator did not even perform the most basic of due diligence, with checking witnesses at the scene (Did not check with the dispatcher; Did not talk to the bus driver, like Michael himself suggested, etc.). This video just shows pure, unadulterated laziness on part of the police.
As to your comment that "The investigator has to rely on trust that he was brought an actual suspect.": You mean assume the man is guilty and proving his innocence? I'm sure, seeing it in this context, you can agree this statement of yours is a bit off the mark.
Additionally: Even if this "technique" worked in other cases, that does not make it legitimate. The investigator, with no evidence at all, is making false accusations in an attempt to bully someone into submission. There are many cases, of those being wrongfully imprisoned, where police lean on people and gain false confessions. Usually it is someone with a spotty record and past sentences, someone where prosecutors can say: "Look, your past activity can easily land you for 12 years, but, tell us now, and we will only pursue 4." That may be an attractive offer to someone, perhaps beating down by life, that feels they are screwed if they do and screwed if they don't.
With the above in mind: I'm sure you can see now that this is not just an individual case, but a systemic problem where police, in lieu of leg-work, just throw words out there in order to see what sticks.
To be clear: These thoughts of mine are not a personal attack on you or your intelligence. I simply felt the need to disagree with you and encourage you to think about this a little more.
@Killua Brock if you read my comment being stuck in traffic had nothing to do with the situation, I was simply giving examples of what an excuse was which had no relevance to what my point was, that we judge every situation with full and complete malice, making up realities that never happened. This man got away and is not in jail and got PAID. why are we thinking so hard of realities that don't exist? Why is humanity always thinking about the worse case scenario and making them realities that DONT EXIST. look at the ending and stop complaining so much. Yeah the situation SUCKED. BUT THE ENDING WAS PRICELESS. The cop got what he deserved and so did the innocent black man, he was innocent and was rewarded greatly for his commendable patience. That's what we should be talking about, how lucky he was that he wasn't jailed for 10 years and how much of a blessing it is that he had such a kind heart to someone trying to incriminate him.
The 46k is nice, but I'm happier that the interrogator and another officer were demoted and suspended without pay. Again, the money is nice, but punishing the actual people responsible and not the tax payers is how actual change occurs.
@Hex Slayer difference being that this is some man's life. That officer could've landed him I'm Jail for years and were supposed to be like "opsie daisy I was just having a bad day"
@FannyBandit do you know what sarcasm is? It wasn’t supposed to be an actual excuse, and he’s right, maybe he’s always had an amazing career but he fucked up that day, he already had his punishment, that’s it. Im sure you do mistakes all the time, and that you’ve done severe mistakes too and hurt people, like everyone, have some empathy
The amount of people wanting them to be fired is too damn high. I understand that the cop was a douche in this situation, but we don't know his whole story. He might be a pretty good cop most of the time but you people use one sample to judge someone right away. You want to immediately take someone's livelihood away from him based off of one mistake. This is basically cancel culture. You're doing the same thing as what the cop in the video was doing: jumping to conclusions based on one single observation.
I was in a situation like this, but not quite the same, someone pushed me, so I slapped them. Then he called the cops and him and his friend said I came up to them yelled racial slurs and then slapped him. Racism is a hot topic, so immediately the judge believed them and I ended up fighting it in court for two years. It was reduced to a non-conviction, but still in my hidden record. Being the victim of false accusations where only you know the truth, but no one believes you is the worst feeling.
@Hex Slayer uh, so if someone helps people with everything, but one time just shoot someone in the face, he or she is still ok because the other things, and because he had a bad day. Just let him off the hook.
Not just that but they would of been promoted for this and with that leg up, could have been promoted further and fuck knows.. could be in charge of rewarding 1000 other idiots for behaving the same way.
@Hex Slayer Where is the line in the sand for having a bad day? I could possibly give the officer a break for not reviewing the original call from dispatch describing the suspect as a small white man but that's probably the limit. This detective is creating evidence out of thin air. He tells the suspect he has video evidence of Michael perpetrating the crime along with eye witnesses. The police then confine the guy for three and a half days.
The level of incompetence is astounding in this case from the outset. The police apparently chase the suspect then lose him, then arrest the first person they come across despite him not matching the description. They then manufacture false evidence in the hopes to get a confession and when that doesn't work they put him in jail for three and a half days.
@Hex Slayer You must be somebody with a criminal history for whom spending 3.5 days in jail facing much more is not a big deal. Also, you must never have had a a job with responsibility.
@Hex Slayer in a job like this where you are trying to make people look guilty for crimes they commit having an attitude or whatever he had isn’t good and he should be fired .
@Hex Slayer there's no excuse to literally lie in an attempt to imprison an obviously innocent person. This guy was lucky that someone who wasn't a total piece of shit looked into the case, but many many people aren't that lucky.
If they were fired, new guys would come in their place. Those new guys wouldn't have learned the hard way - you can't just hold someone up unjustifiably. So they would be more likely to repeat that mistake, even though I'm sure, they learned about that "the soft way" in academy. So paradoxically, them keeping their jobs might be positive? Idk, just something that came to my mind.
The fact that investigators will intentionally ignore case details and try to get a guilty verdict as a status symbol is quite honestly disgusting, it should be their responsibility to make sure they get as close to the truth as possible
Why do you not make videos often? I’ve watched it all and now there is nothing left. Can you please make more? I keep checking each week and NOTHING! 😪
demoted and suspended without pay.... THAT'S IT?! those scumbag investigators should all be sent to the same jail he spent time in, except the only difference is that they are ACTUALLY GUILTY of gross negligence, PLEASE STOP TREATING CRIMINAL COPS DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER PEOPLE..... just because they're police doesn't mean they should be given work punishment instead of the type of punishment all of us get when we break the rules.....just absolutely disgusting.
@Jake McCoy Yup. My stepdad was arrested after driving his dads car and getting pulled over, not knowing his dad had a gun in the car. 3 years for a gun that wasnt his, and to this day he has a hard time understanding modern technology. He was in prison in the early 2000s when smart phones were really just a new thing.
@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark Shocking that you think thats true. People are falsely imprisoned all the time, how do you think it happens?
@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark Its less about the "cop wanting more arrests" and more about your so called "witnesses" proclaiming facts that arent true. If a woman cries rape, a man is arrested. Then some 20 years later she'll say "oh I was forced to accuse him by so and so"
@Emily Gendreau yea I know this happened to my dads friend, his daughter accused him of rape when she was 11 and the 6 years later said her mom made her, I told my dad she should get the same Punishment as the mom and my dad said she was just a little girl… yea a little girl that committed a crime
@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark I mean if she was 11 she had no way of knowing the true repercussions of her actions. When I was young my mom let me drink, smoke, and had me steal money for her from my dad. Not until I turned 18 did I tell her to piss off. If you grow up with a bad person, your gonna follow them. But you have the power to reform yourself if you know right from wrong, which took me 18 years to figure out.
@Emily Gendreau What do you mean by that? All he had to do was type in "List of people wrongfully murdered by cops in the last year". Your comment suggetpsgs hes been cutting out newspaper clippings and taping them on his wall lol.
@Emily Gendreau Not really. It probably took him less than a minute. I think youd realise you are exaggerating just a bit if you really think about it. Idk though. We are both assuming. All I know is it only took me a minute to find a list similar to that and I'm certainly not obsessed. Maybe if he had the dates and locations next to the names then I'd agree with you.
@Mathias B Its not that big of a deal. I just thought i was a bit overkill to come in with all these names when everyones already having a conversation about said topic. Its like when someone asks you if youve seen a movie, and then they proceed to explain it. Like yes, we were already talking about it, i didnt need every miniscule detail. I mean props to them I guess for caring that much but I personally wouldnt.
ALLWAYS keep saying you didnt do it untill prove is in front of your eyes.cops will say we know you did it and blabla and ask you why did you do that if they ask that it means they have nothingggg they just want an confession thats all
Nah no way he's guilty cops need probable grounds during an arrest at his home formally in a warrant with a warrant to search included for stolen property. More information is required.
Bro it was really heartbreaking to see the second guy accused of stealing and assault. He really was fighting for his life and just because he had a history, they didn’t wanna believe him
@Zwenk Wiel well true. I agree. But it raises a suspicion not a huge turning point for the law to base their whole judgment on it. I agree with you that it really makes everything very sketchy but it really shouldn’t be a deciding factor. I guess they could have capitalized on it and made more investigations without any bias and see if that indeed is something that leads to something bigger or it was nothing that important
Lord Raptor2021-04-28 19:03:42 (edited 2021-04-28 19:14:44 )
@Zwenk Wiel I guess. They have a job to do. It was most likely her boyfriends idea too. He did say he grew up with the man. He played his boy out and his girl played along to keep her abusive partner out of trouble. could be that... maybe he had pre- existing beef with em about somethin else. Who knows.
The video does raise interesting observations though. I was in a similar position and looking at 6 years. I had to go to court.
My car broke down and i was given a ride home from work. We got rear ended pullin in to my driveway, I was obviously in the passenger side. Well like a dumbass i got out of the car to see if the other people where OK. unfortunately they mistook me for the driver.
Told their lawyers outside of court just before trial, I wasnt driven. So the judge asked why should I believe you.
I told er first of all, with all do respect, this is a waist of my time. second the only reason why im here today is because he fucked up and now hes lookin to keep his insurance from going up. Im here today for being a good Samaritan checking to see if he wss alright. Then I asked her, why on Earth would someone else take the wrap for me like this and risk 6 years? Give me a break... just like that.
More or less is what i said. I wasnt formal about it and i was down to Earth. Yes the curse slipped. lol! ( I was warned with a smile ) anyway she made both defendant and plaintiff plead the 5th. Other guy was pissed. Both of our insurances dropped us.
So fuck it, i have a good idea on how this guy feels. You can do time just because someone said you was doin blah blah blah... I always felt that if you where innocent you should never remain composed, EVER.
She knew i wasn't lying cause i was rather candid about the whole thing. I found that out later at a 7-11 cause i ran into the residing officer on the case.
He said you spoke your piece well up there. We laughed . Still it a call to close for comfort.
One thing everyone should be aware of the police in any country will lie to you to solicit a "confession". It's far better to shut up once they say you're under arrest if you're innocent or not. Being beligerant and proclaiming you're innocent falls on deaf ears. I wonder if they charged him for the food he ate during the two years he spent incarcerated while being falsely accused. That really does happen.
welcome to the real world. some think, "it could never happen to me" or "its 2021, this type of stuff cant seriously happen today" but unfortunately, it does happen, everyday
This happened to me in a video game: I reported a clan mate because he was using hate words towards me many many times and was very toxic whenever I spoke. He got 3 day mute from his offensive language, so I was fine with him now - lesson learned to watch his mouth. I also admitted that it was me who reported him while adding "I did it for a reason. He was using hate words towards me multiple times.". But some clan mates started to see me as an enemy because "you don't report clan mates!!", and this guy didn't learn a thing. 2 months later, someone else got muted because he said "I'm retarded". I did not report him nor was online when he said this. Despite this, others accused me, including the victim saying "100% him.". Then I got kicked from the clan without a chance to defend myself. I did so, but they, victim, leader nor admins believed me. They all were Americans. Coincidence?
Well here in the US a couple of months ago a lady in a store called the police saying "a WHITE man, probably 5'9, wearing blue jeans, a hat and a green coat" was up to no good. They got there, the lady had left, but the police ran in and detained a BLACK man over 6'2, wearing dark pants, with a red jacket. In all fairness to them he was wearing a hat. Not the same color either as reported but he was wearing one... Or the case of the young light skin yet clearly black man in his 20s who had the same name as a wanted white 50 year old criminal who during a traffic was arrested and detained for 4 days. They had the criminals photo all this time but couldn't tell the difference. Then again both had a goatee...
Suspended without pay? Nah, that’s not how such a miscarriage of justice should be handled. The office should lose his qualified immunity for the way he handled this and face a potential prison sentence after coming to trial for abusive of his powers.
@John Le what can jesus do himself he is a human being he promised his followers if they follow his shown path father (his creator) will forgive them and grant heaven . Am i wrong? If we are to call out someone for mercy we should call out for his creator. Bcoz thats what he taught his followers by the bible if am not wrong
It was really fascinating watching someone who's clearly very genuine and equanimous be treated like a criminal, and the whole way, give the detective as much benefit of doubt as possible without incriminating himself. Almost comical
@John Le There is no sin. Just responsibility. Sin is a useless and harmful concept, the world would be better without it. Also Jesus died for humanity's sins and preached about forgiveness, get your own religious scripture right man.
No. I don’t know exactly what you meant cause you literally made 2 contradicting statements within one post...
How am I suppose to know what that means...
Instead of accusing me of playing semantics, you could just be honest and say you either misspoke or that your reasoning was flawed or something instead of trying to blame it on me.
And no, not according to my morals but according to the moral laws that God has given mankind in the Bible and in our hearts or conscience to recognize basic right and wrong.
Jesus is that God btw that took the punishment of death for wages of our sins so that if we believe he will save us, we will get eternal life.
@John Le God didn't write the bible. It was people, based on hearsay. However, there was a lot hearsay written down. The absolute majority of those records were decided to be non-canon, though. By the Councils of Carthage between 251 and 421. By people. Once again. The stories in the bible were written by people, it was people who decided which writings would be considered "God's law" (at least by fanatics like yourself), and it's also people who intrepreted those writings for over 1600 years by now. You don't follow the "laws of god". You follow made up stories that are based on hearsay, that were then curated by early Christian bishops based on church politics, and were then twisted and re-invented, translated multiple times in different ways and with different interpretations in mind, and then got manipulated by your preacher or pastor of reverend or sect leader or whoever you choose to listen to ONCE AGAIN. All you do is believing in other people. Not god. Not Jesus. People. And there was nothing wrong with that if those people were faithful and nice, but more often then not, they aren't. "Always" you would say. How about you start to think for yourself about what is right and wrong? Could keep you from hating people just becasue some guys in he antique hated them.
@John Le There is no objective truth, but the only way to get some sort of common ground is science. Something that can be theoreticall disproven but can't actually be disproven is a fact from a scientific point of view. God can't be disproven becasue there is no proof for their existence to begin with. So god is not scientific fact. It's that easy.
there is always that one dude who tries to add religion into every internet conversation, tell everybody how the man in the sky is watching, how we are all sinners and Judgement day bla bla bla bla 😂
Right! I don't think I would have been so calm in that situation! I get fired up if I'm accused of something I didn't do! Especially when all the investigator had to do was talk to the bus driver and that would have exonerated him right then and there! Then he wouldn't have been forced to spend 3 and a half days in jail for no reason! The investigators should have been fired, but I'm glad they at least had some sort of punishment, even though it was more of a slap on the wrist
@John Le uh, i don't know where you got that from lmao. I'm going to guess that you just Google it and come back here without knowing anything.😂
No, we don't "enforce" religion on anyone here in case you are wondering. You can be religous or not, there isn't any rules specified what religion you should/shouldn't have. You don't get throw to jail because you are an atheist lmao
@John Le if that's the case, i apologize, i'm just annoyed because a lot of people would straight up insult others because they don't believe in the same religion
@John Le god is good and man is made in the likeness of god, he has forgiven our sins and his authority is supreme, therefore man is good. to say otherwise is to doubt the goodness of god or hid word. do you agree?
Sins aren’t automatically forgiven. There is a condition.
To be made in the image of God DOESNT mean we are God or make us good like how God is good. It just means we were made to be rulers and judges like how God is ruler and judge.
@John Le sorry im not religious so forgive my ignorance. I’ll take your word for it.
Personally I disagree, but I’m sure you aren’t very interested in a different worldview. If you are curious Id be happy to share my perspective. Have a nice day, John.
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John Le2021-12-02 22:34:43 (edited 2021-12-02 22:35:31 )
@im gauge
To be honest, it didn’t seem like you was sharing a different worldview but rather, you were “trying” to tell me what the biblical view was.
That’s why you mentioned “made in the image of God”
if people are automatically forgiven, then there’s no need for sin to be mentioned in the Bible. And there would be no need for a savior like Jesus Christ.
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im gauge2021-12-03 01:00:44 (edited 2021-12-03 01:02:26 )
@John Le oh well i dont actually believe that, i just heard someone say something along those lines before, and based on what you were saying i wondered if itd be an idea youd engage with. im not actually religious at all and personally dont really think of morality as concrete as christians (im assuming) probably do
@John Le i certainly agree with not taking peoples words as truth. I don’t really think that was what I did but I get your point, and youre right.
I don’t see people as being capable of being good or bad, instead that the circumstances they are placed in will dictate their decisions. Good or bad doesn’t have much meaning to me, depending on context I’ll use the words to mean “good/bad for society” or “beneficial/detrimental for my goals”. If someone was a murderer, i would probably say theyre a horrible person to fit in, but more than anything id want to understand why they did it and why theyd think it would be justified, the label of horrible person would be meaningless to me. I dont think of people in terms of good or bad, sinner or saint, but instead maybe as “constructive or destructive to others”. I suppose I think of people as being good by nature, but thats more of an optimistic mindset than anything else, and I think its been engrained in most of us to find joy/fulfillment from doing what we socially find to be morally right.
So if a person killed another for financial gain, Would they be good or evil according to your view?
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im gauge2021-12-03 02:15:12 (edited 2021-12-03 02:16:13 )
@John Le i wouldnt make a big deal about it and would probably call them bad, but if i was being truthful theyd be neither. id ask questions like “what could push a man to want to do such a thing?”
I suppose a concise way to sum up my view is that no individual can ever truly be responsible for their actions. In the real world, obviously its necessary that we treat people as if they are responsible for the decisions they make, within reason, or else society would collapse. But just for me personally, id have trouble blaming anyone for anything they do, be it “good or bad.” And without responsibility, the idea of labeling people as good or bad is pretty meaningless, it would make more sense to call their actions such instead.
@John Le id probably be so overcome with emotion that it might radicalize my beliefs, but from a logical perspective i couldnt justify calling them a bad person and would want to forgive them. id still be extremely depressed about it obviously
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im gauge2021-12-03 19:11:46 (edited 2021-12-03 19:13:44 )
@John Le depends how you define ok. i wouldnt be okay with it, and would prevent it at all costs. my family would have their own moral disagreements with it and i doubt they would forgive the murderer. and the state obviously has their rules. its only “ok” on the basis of my own lack of objective morality, but in every other aspect its hugely negative.
similarly, i wouldnt call someone a bad person for not forgiving them. everyone has their reasons for everything they do.
note: Sorry if my comments are sending double, youtube is being very weird.
Well if murder isn’t wrong to you, how about abuse of you or your children for sexual gratification?
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im gauge2021-12-03 19:33:54 (edited 2021-12-03 19:34:12 )
@John Le i would have a problem, the problem though is independent of morality for me. the issue is simply that i dont want my family to die and therefore goes against my wishes, not that they did something that is definitively evil. morality just doesnt play into it, but my desires seem to align with what people around me deem moral anyway, so it doesnt really cause issues. In fact, the only difference Ive noticed it cause is that i tend to forgive those that have done bad things much easier than other people, which is sometimes an issue but Im fine with it.
@John Le There are plenty of good people in this world. The problem is that you take a hardline view of the world through the lens of your religion and take a very old testament stance on it. It's fine if that's your opinion, but like many religious people, you state your beliefs as facts. And factually you are wrong.
Also, here's a couple basics you seemed to have missed from the teachings of your lord.
1) Love thy neighbor and 2) Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
God bless.
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im gauge2021-12-03 21:25:37 (edited 2021-12-03 21:26:56 )
@John Le i cant say its objectively morally wrong to kill my family because i dont believe in objective morals. Thats the cut and dry answer to your question if thats all your interested in with this convo, otherwise I can rationalize it. If youre just playing “gotcha,” I can bite that bullet, I don’t really care about optics. Im not trying to impress anyone, just sharing my opinion.
Im saying i dont classify anything as good or bad through following pre-established rules of morality, but rather through what benefits me and that which I care about. In practicality, they function nearly identically but their sources are different.
It feels like youre purposely trying to mischaracterize what I’m saying but maybe I’m just being unclear, I just don’t know how else I can rephrase the same thing. I’m not really interested in an argument, just trying to expand my perspective by talking to more people. Maybe you were under the impression Im trying to win over you somehow, since in fairness that is what 99% of youtube repliers here are trying to do.
So how about child abuse for sexual gratification? Is there nothing wrong with this as well?
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im gauge2021-12-03 22:04:53 (edited 2021-12-03 22:05:35 )
@John Le I feel like you are intentionally missing the point. Im opposed to all of these things happening. And its not like you can say something thats heinous enough that I will inexplicably have a fundamental exception for it.
I characterize things as bad when they are harmful to me, child molestation upsets me, therefore I dont like it, therefore its bad. The word wrong implies morality, which I don’t factor in. If we decide to use a definition for wrong as “something you wouldn’t do” or “something you disagree with doing” then yeah it’s definitely wrong. But, morally, its nothing to me, because morality is nothing to me.
If you say there is no objective morality, then there should be nothing objectively wrong with somebody abusing your children for sexual gratification. You agree yes?
@John Le There is nothing objectively wrong with it, but to me there is a shit-ton subjectively wrong with it. Objective isn’t just an emphatic term; subjectivity doesn’t make my stance on whether it is good or not any less firm.
@John Le they do as far as I care about his feelings, but I care about mine much more. He can have his own moral system that justifies/forbids his actions, but in mine he is a neither good nor bad person that has done something i find to be horrible.
Where are the good people, point them out? Prove to me you know all their doings and their thoughts.
You said “love they neighbor” “Judge not lest ye be judged”
It’s a good thing that I’m showing love by being honest with my neighbor huh?
It’s a good thing that when I said none is good, that would include myself huh?
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im gauge2021-12-03 23:48:45 (edited 2021-12-03 23:55:14 )
@John Le I do. If he uses the same framework as me, I expect him to have some way to be able to justify his own actions, otherwise he wouldn't commit them. I simply don't have any reason to value him over me, and so I don't. It would be very unlikely for me and him to come to an agreement whether what he did was good or bad unless one of us compromises.
Frankly, I think it would be hard for someone that isn't a psychopath to genuinely believe that child molestation is a good thing to do, and not feel any sort of remorse over it even after contemplating what they've done. And so I would simply accept that they are a psychopath, pity them, and be very frustrated with the misfortune over the events that transpired. I don't even think they'd expect to be able to convince me that they were in the right, I feel like most people that do such acts know that what they've done is selfish, regret it, and have no control over possibly doing it again.
@John Le Why would I use a framework I don't believe in? I assume most people either use a generic deontological divinely-sourced moral system or a vague mixture of legalism and whatever the status quo is. Either way, a child molester would be deemed an evil person, so if I were to adopt that position, I'd have the moral high ground. But my true beliefs are that there is no moral high ground, that we are victims of circumstance, and that if I were in his shoes and grew up with his background and has his mental instabilities, I'd commit the same acts. And because of that, there is no real point to assign morality to people with no responsibility over what they've done.
He doesn't need to use my framework, and he doesn't need to agree with me. I will have my beliefs and he will have his. That's about it.
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im gauge2021-12-04 00:10:30 (edited 2021-12-04 00:11:16 )
@John Le He probably wouldn’t. I don’t know lol. Maybe Im confused how it’s relevant what he thinks. Whether he thinks he’s in the right or not doesn’t really affect me.
Any form of confrontation can be overwhelming to someone who admits that they are a self recluse . It’s safer to play a role of the good kid who is willing to please because you don’t want to make the person your enemy.
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im gauge2021-12-04 02:23:57 (edited 2021-12-04 02:30:36 )
@John Le It is bad to me lol. I just dont call things immoral, thats all. following the rules of your morality has flaws such as causing many christians to believe that stealing food to survive is a sin.
My goal though has never been to insult christianity or its moral system, or even say mine is better. I think that the lessons christianity teaches about forgiveness are very good, and that we should all learn to forgive more: put our feet in the shoes of our harmer. All it does is bring you understanding and remove hatred, which I think is something I’d want.
Anyway, regardless of what you think of me I appreciate you talking to me and giving me a little bit more understanding of how some christians explain things that outsiders might think are contradictions. Have a nice day John.
@-DFH- I do not agree with anyone in this situation, but this entire thing started when John yelled at someone for saying someones a good person. people cannot have a conversation anymore.
@-DFH- also, John is putting words in people’s mouths himself, for example when someone stated “everyone has their reasons for what they do” he immediately said that they instead said that murder was acceptable.
14Do all things without murmurings and 👉disputings👈
From what I understand and from what the scholars say, this is talking about making objections or petty objections that can cause rivalry,disagreement, or discontentment and or separation amongst believers or neighbors.
And can cause God to anger.
As we see in the example of the Israelites, they were making objections and complaints to God saving them from Egypt which brought God to anger and cause them to wander for 40 years...
What the verse Philippians 2:14 ISNT saying is that we should not argue at all. It’s definitely not saying that dude.
There are times when arguing is necessary, especially when in defense of the Christian Faith and truth
I didn’t say google sucks, but if you have an uncle who is a pastor, he should’ve been the first go to, to get an understanding of what Christianity is.
Don’t forget that any content from anybody can be displayed on google so if you don’t word your question/tags properly, you might not get the true answer.
I would wager that you looked up, “is Christianity a religion”. And then went with the very first answer by google which probably said it is a religion with the most followers in the world.
When you should’ve scrolled down to find answers from Christians...
Pointing out basic truths like we all have done evil like lying or slandering is not forcing belief.
And at some point, a Christian needs to share the Gospel as Jesus commanded so I can’t be too worried about people getting offended of the truth of the Gospel.
Jesus in his time on earth basically went around saying REPENT OR PERISH.
Oh? Then your uncle should’ve also told you to be careful about calling others fools with no reason.
Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
@John Le You can say its slander all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that you have made efforts to continuously provoke petty squabbles, its what you do.
@John Le When i said "*youre sorry" i was correcting my own grammar, i did not punctuate this message correctly and i caused a misunderstanding, this was not, in any way an attempt at an insult, it was simply me correcting my grammar.
@John Le You can spread your beliefs all you want, i do not care. The fact you are creating squabbles by utilizing your beliefs because someone made an extremely ordinary and common statement concerning someones apparent morality is the problem here.
@John Le You are labeling misguided YouTube comments as a serious accusation that defames your character. That is what you are doing, that is what you are doing now and that is what you where doing then.
You accused me of continuously making efforts to provoke petty squabbles. And you claimed that is fact.
I did a quick skim over the comments and every conversation( besides 2 instances) I had with other people was first initiated by them, not myself.
So how can you claim that I’ve been trying to provoke petty squabbles? And why would I need to provoke any squabbles when people were voluntarily messaging me?
@John Le Concerning your slander statement: You have claimed that the given examples are slander, knowing that the definition of slander is a very serious false accusation that is intended to defame ones character. The examples given are simply a misguided accusation that is partially false. I have apologized multiple times and stated that the accusations have false qualities.
I dunno if you was serious when you said you were a Christian.
But if you are, then you need to understand that there is a spirtual battle for souls of men(mankind)
Ephesians 6:12
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
And that it is Gods desire that NONE PERISH and all come to repentance -2peter 3;9.
Jesus commands believers to preach the gospel to the world -Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19.
@John Le you really must have no life if you're sitting in this youtube comment section chanting bible verses at anyone who disagrees with you even a month later
@John Le I dunno about this Repent stuff, but I called out Jesus when I stubbed my toe a few days ago. Sadly, I was shown mercy. In hindsight, I am repentant that I wasn't more careful while walking.
@John Le You're quite right we are always gonna be the bad person at least in 1 person point of view you can't be loved or tough of as a good person by everyone at least i think so
Adam Newe2021-12-18 04:35:24 (edited 2021-12-18 04:36:42 )
@Noxious Vox Being a good person is relative. Every person has a bias on who's bad or who's good. There is no definite answer it is all a matter of opinion. It is not worth arguing over if he has that opinion, respect it.
I agree and he deserved a hell of lot more than 46,000 $ for being falsely accused of a crime he dud not commit. Also obvious incompetence by the Police investigator. What if a different investigator had not checked into his alibi? He might have been in prison for up to two years.
46k? THAT'S ALL?! No no no uh uhhhhh! It should of been the least easy 1million! THAT'S TOTALLY UNFORGETTABLE!!!! That police officer was lying from the beginning!
Sheer incompetence. The officers who made the arrest were not at fault. But for the detective to not check against the 911 description is dereliction of duty, with severe consequences for an innocent citizen.
@Harry Mills I think the officers were at fault a little bit, I mean they ought to know the general physique of a person they'd been running after. Plus, walking off the bus doesn't look remotely like fleeing the cops.
Literally racism “well I lost the other guy so I’ll just bring him in, they’ll believe he did it!” And they did for 2 years. Awful. Glad he got his justice
@Cali Charron the white dude with the beard got two years from error. Not the bald black guy, he got out in 3 days. Racism my ass. Just incompetent cops
@ObiWAANKenobi 44 It's likely incompetence and racism. There's actually quite a few stories of innocent black men being arrested while cops are looking for a white suspect.
Last year in LA a black guy was arrested while taking out the trash, cops said they didn't know who they were looking for but felt comfortable assaulting and arresting a black man why? Because of incompetence, racism and it being the norm.
@Noah Knight exactly. Even if racism wasn’t the only problem in this situation, ppl 1 million percent have the right to assume it is because or how common it is for black men to be targets of police. Either way, police are the problem and these “mistakes” need to stop happening. (Mistakes as in racial profiling and poc being wrongly accused because of their skin color)
I hope that made sense I can be bad at getting my point across correctly sometimes lol.
@ObiWAANKenobi 44 it might as well have something to do with racism because black people are more likely to be racially profiled and over 49% of their arrests have been proven to be false. It has been a prominent thing in history and because society isn’t willing to admit that they unconsciously stereotype or show prejudice is why we’re still at this point.
@J. That sucks man, luckily, solving the issue of racial profiling and police brutality will undoubtedly have positive benefits for suspects of all races.
@ObiWAANKenobi 44 Sometimes it's been 17 years. Sometimes it's been false executions. Black people are more likely to be falsely accused and 8x more likely to be arrested period. There is bias in the system. Don't be ignorant.
@Alei fbi statistics said that 50 percent of exonerations are black people. Not fifty percent of black people are wrongly arrested. Still bad but not the same thing.
@Q M It is racism. It's racism with the black dude. It's stereotype with the white dude. I watched this channel show an investigation of a clean cut white guy that cut an Asian woman head off and even with video camera evidence of being the last person to be seen with her,he was let go. He wasn't arrested for weeks after the FBI having to get his girlfriend to wear a wire. If the other white guy wasn't talking in "slang" and didn't have a thick beard etc....he wouldn't have been treated like that. Stereotypes and racism is a big part in law enforcement. And I think we all know that but alot stay in denial so they can feel safe. Instead of realizing it's all bogus.
they do that all the time. I almost got arrested for something that I didn't do, I'm a short white male and the description of the guy was a tall Asian guy. They don't try to get the RIGHT guy, they try to get A guy.
@Q M the system is racist as shown by statistics, in these two instances perhaps racism may not be at hand, ofc we were not there when the black man was arrested at GUN POINT so we wouldn’t know.
@Harry Mills the suspect should be allowed to lock up the detective for the same number of minutes in a group of criminals in the jail with no other protection that the suspect was given! if im ever locked up for a crime i did not commit, im going to lock up everyone involved, im my prison!! i have a list of big badass ex cons (not ex inmates) to be their cell mates!!!
@amy.pm20 Bruh when they're looking for a short white guy and bring in a tall black guy instead, how can you not see racism there? I'm white as fucking milk and it's clear as day he was racially profiled.
@amy.pm20 you can't say that without knowing. But right here we have a video showing blatant racism and it needs to be called out. Jesus man some people.
@ToKaSa IsMe you still act similar and a lot of behaviors would remind others of the criminal, but they would have no way of actually locking you up because to them you are different. But people may ignore you if you act similarly
Now you know what it feels like aside from being threatened or beat or even detained like an animal simply bc you weren't taught how to speak formally and you sound intimidating
@J Green i think not a Brit but either NZ or Aus having lived in Canada for awhile. I'm Canadian and British with dual nationality and have lived in both countries. My dad has a British accent but has lived in Canada since the 70s . This officer definitely sounds like Aus or NZ to me
Honestly. I was steaming the entire time listening to him while knowing that man is innocent. I can only be happy I have not been in that position as there is no possible way I could be that calm while being falsely accused and having a man tell me he knows for undeniably that I did it..
He is Canadian, he cuts off some sounds and doesn’t stretch his ‘a’ sound long enough to be American, and also doesn’t oscillate the ‘a’ sound, so can’t be Australian. However, the detective is either from New Zealand or South Africa
@Yuggsy maybe he is from England but stopped off in New Zealand before a long vacation in India then he made his way to Canada after a 2 year course in South Africa on how to be a shitty detective
46k for spending 3 and a half days in a shitty prison is kinda worth it tho ( not that i would do it )
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Emil Chandran2021-01-10 23:51:19 (edited 2021-01-10 23:51:49 )
His name is Jason Leek. As an Australian, I can 100% guarantee that he is neither Australian nor Kiwi. He sounds to my ears to be someone from the south of England who has lived abroad. A bastardised English accent.
@Zakarii Tsuki odd "giveaway" words can be attributed to him living in multiple countries throughout his life, but the backbone of the accent is definitely southern English
@Big Bootros my nigga there are 2 interviewers in the video. one doesnt have an accent. im pretty sure the person commented so we can quickly understand which person they're talking about ffs.
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The Sexy Banana2021-01-12 02:38:55 (edited 2021-01-12 02:47:21 )
@ppyxmw I doubt you are because he's clearly English speaking with an English accent, some hints of what sound like Scottish or some adoption of the Canadian accent. I should know I'm English with a blend of Canadian, Irish and US accents when I say some specific words, you're either a Scott, Welsh, Northern Irish or just English with shit hearing. Edit: You can tell by the way he doesn't annunciate the T sounds at the end of words like, paramoun(t), tha(t), go(t), commen(t).
@mew mew simple my friend. The original message could have easily described the policeman by other means than by his origins. This policeman could have been described as "the first policeman" or something like that. It's 2021. It's time to move on from constantly describing people (and oneself) by their origins. This sickening Identity politics that's taking over on all sides. We, as an individual, only represent ourselves. Not whatever group we want to belong to, or whatever group others want us to belong to. Do you understand my point my friend? As an individual you do not represent other people from your various groups (gender, age, sexual orientation, ethnicity, nationality ect)
@Big Bootros we're just having a conversation mate. I think "sickening" is rather overemotional for what's going on here, which is a discussion of accents
@Oops The great philosopher Montaigne said that the term "how weird" can lead to genocide. Sounds crazy.... But... We shouldn't judge others, or ourselves, on their origins. But rather on our individual actions. Judging someone by his accent is indeed far from racism. Of course. But it's small step in that direction. Hence my use of Montaigne. So I believe my point stands.
@Big Bootros except for one or two comments down here (probably trolls) there was no indication to me that British was used as anything other than an identifier (particularly in the rest of the conversation which really was just a conversation about accents), because it's true that a significant accent can be used to harmlessly distinguish one person from others. In another instance we might have said "the bald officer" or "the officer wearing long sleeves"; these seem equivalent to me to the initial case.
@Oops I must admit I hadn't read all the other comments. I was merely responding to the original comment. As it caught my attention. But I do believe that we can identify someone other than their origins or looks (bald, fat ect). Long sleeves for example is good. I wish we lived in world were we weren't judge by our looks/origins ect. However I do realize that this is just a dream. Pun intended.
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Martin Stuvland2021-01-12 13:57:40 (edited 2021-01-12 15:09:09 )
Canadian. He mentions it at 21:09 when he reads him his rights. Though he sounds Australian.
All these people saying "I'm British" or "This guy sounds British" Britain consists of Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland. 4 very distinct fucking accents. So if he sounds British, you're telling me he has speaks with some strange concoction of all 4 accents?. Wise up.
@Sam Benjamin it's Canada, not the US. But a lot of you are confused. Firstly, no one is arguing about what country this is. Yes this is in Canada. But his accent is from somewhere else originally. That is what we are discussing here. This is not how Canadians typically sound (I'm Canadian). Those who are adamant it can't be an Aus or NZ accent don't seem to realize that we are talking about a trace accent here. Just because he doesn't sound like the crocodile hunter, everyone is confused. Those who are English and claim this is any kind of English accent are missing the dead giveaways in the guy's accent that make it distinctly not English; maybe they assume those are Canadian features, which they aren't. I'll say it again, it seems to me to be a diluted NZ accent within a Canadian one. I would bet money on it that he is from NZ but again the accent is diluted which is why everyone is arguing so much about what it can't be.
@Big Bootros Bruh, 99% of the comments are from people coming from the places from which the accent is questioned to come from, noone has taken offence to it, people are simply stating whether it sounds like or doesn't sound like where they come from, or where they think it comes from.
As horrible worded that statement i just made was, it is paramount in conversation that when trying to identify someone we don't have to think about how we do it, a Chinese man isn't offended by being identified as the Chinese man unless the person addressing him knows his name - we don't really know the officers name, or atleast i didn't see it anywhere in the video so it's obviously not offensive to point to the single easiest identifier about - that he doesn't sound Canadian at all - but instead of writing "that officer that doesn't sound Canadian at all" which is pretty silly, we can simply refer to him by "the british guy" or "the aussie guy" etc. the conversation in this comment thread is simply about where he actually is from, because now it has become interesting to try and pin point, so unless you're literally from 5 different places all across the world, then you are atleast taking offense on behalf of 4 out of those 5, assuming that you might be from one of them atleast, which again is pretty weird. I certainly wouldn't take offense to being called the Danish guy, even if the person knew my name, i mean, it is a fact i'm from Denmark.
In fact it's more offensive to get it wrong people take pride in this stuff.
I'm English and to me, this is a southern English accent with an American twang. This entire thread is basically people just trying to say 'nah he ain't one of us'.
@Dennis Barzanoff no it’s not. It’s possibly South African. I’m not trying to be rude. Received Pronunciation is very different but possibly not to people who aren’t British. Accents are weird. People have said in that it is stated he is just Canadian, but I can hear something else. Maybe that cause I’m British though and just know it’s not ours?!
I'm English. Had a hard time figuring out his accent. Kept thinking British then Australian, but wherever he is from he is definitely well travelled as he's clearly picked up odd accent traits over the years.
@Jesus Daniel Hernandez he sounds like a British expat that spent a few years in Australia and now lives and works in Canada, also his wife maybe half Dutch.
@TheRealKaz Some here could be unconsciously wanting to distance themselves from the policeman by saying he’s (the cop) definitely not British, or Aussie, or NZ. It perhaps boils down to national pride. Just a reminder that ALL original Aussies and NZ were British. He has a slight cockney accent ie east end London or Geordi from North East England, a remnant maybe in his accent of Tyneside English (Newcastle upon Tyne) mixed now with the accent from the country he is living or settled in, Canada. ie he could be first or second generation Canadian with a British or even Aussie background. Really impressed with how the suspect held himself... with unusual calm and equanimity, just a really nice guy trying to be understanding even of his lame accuser.
@ida its not new zealand... i dont know where he is from but he is definitely not new zealand or australian... it really seems like australians and new zealanders are generally the only reliable source to distinguish whether its either of the aformentioned accents.
@TheShimmy12 i honestly have no idea since its a mixed accent, and from where im from in australia no one even sounds remotely close to what he sounds like. i originally thought he was british tbh
That is not an Aussie accent, am Aussie, definitely not. It's a mixture of British and some American accent. He's to overly pronounced on the beginning of sentences and the end of certain words.
It’s 100% not Australian or a kiwi accent. I am kiwi and I am living in Australia. He is 110% British and has moved countries by the sounds and has picked up a mixed accent.
Lol are you serious? Clearly you haven’t been around kiwis and Australians very much. 😂😂😂 it’s a Brit accent that’s been mixed with another country’s accent. I’d say he moved from England somewhere
@ppyxmw 100% a British accent, I'm British (welsh and irish living in England). The fact that you think that is Australian is beyond me because I have lived there for 2 years in the past and that is 100% not an Aussy accent lmfao.
I'm British and it's clearly a British accent. He sounds like he's lived there for a while, but it's like Mark Ronson or Jack Osbourne, British with a few North American vowel sounds thrown in.
@Ben Blackmore I disagree with you on the whole British thing, but yeah idk why I am thanking people for agreeing with me lmao. I guess I’m doing that’s because this is the first time I’ve started a big conversation like this...
@Big Bootros we don’t know the guys name and he clearly isn’t from Canada. How else are we supposed to identify him? Do we identify him as the bad cop? There were multiple bad cops involved and he was the only one who was shown in the video that had a unique accent.
He's not British, but listening closely he has some manurisms of another youtube channel i watch called Karl Jobst (https://www.youtube.com/user/karljobst), who is an Austrialian. Not saying he's deffo an Aussie, just food for thought.
@Kristine Conlan he's trying to pin an innocent man. He was told the perp is white and totally ignored it and arrested a black man based on prejudice. That's why.
@DYSPHORIA I cannot find my comment in order to locate what prompted you to believe that I didn't hear or understand that scenario. I am Australian First Nations & have endured this kind of racism throughout my entire life. I am very familiar with the double standard.
Just lol at everyone in the comments going “I’m this and he’s certainly not from here, maybe from that place” just for another person from that place to say the same.
S. James you say that but it worked in the case of Chris Watts. It’s all about trade offs. Are you willing to let potential murderers go free so innocents aren’t imprisoned?
The investigator/cop/idk-what-his-specific-job-title-is: “I have a duty” that I have chosen not to follow
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Alex Oliveira2022-05-12 21:26:18 (edited 2022-05-12 21:26:29 )
Never ever ever talk to these incompetent life ruiners
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Andrew Potter2022-03-19 01:44:06 (edited 2022-03-19 01:44:26 )
As an autistic man with a rugby player esque build that can misread social queues I have had to be wary somewhat of how I would be treated in these situations. Guilty until proven innocent situations worry me because even if I'm totally innocent I can't fully trust myself to conduct myself in a way that won't lead to being falsely accused of guilty. Fortunatly as I've become more self aware about my neurological makeup so to speak I hope that I can become better at expressing myself succinctly in these situations but you just never know.
I’ve been slammed to the ground because of wrong place wrong time, lucky for me the dipshit who robbed the convenience store I was walking behind didn’t do it with a mask so the owner cleared me almost instantly
Uh... okay. So, why is it assumed to be "relatively easy" to distinguish "atypical behavior" from "guilty behavior"? And why would behaving guilty or feeling guilty indicate that someone actually is guilty? You know, being interrogated can often cause anxiety, humiliation and paranoia. Guilt is right around the corner.
Anyone else think the whole getting a confession without evidence thing is stupid? It's like, "Congrats, you pressured someone into admitting to something they may not have done. Here's a promotion!"
Well in their minds its more like; " Gratz, there was no evidence to solve this mystery but you solved it". But we all know that the guy might be innocent. And it's just a cope out mechanism.
Wait till you see how it works in Japan. It's so much worse there. It's similar to the Salem witch trials where they ask you over and over again till eventually you break down and "confess" because you know they won't take no for a answer. I know they do that in other countries too, but at the top of my head that's the only place I know for a fact does it
I agree, I get the skill it would take to do that but we can’t just assume they’ve been properly trained in understanding human behaviours and being able to help the accused maintain their right state of mind. Most people would be scared and vulnerable to coercion bc they’re probably given false hope that it would make things easier; not everyone has a strong enough will or the confidence to keep their story straight when someone of authority is questioning their innocence for hours on end. That makes this method so unreliable... in my opinion at least 😅
Ok so here as a break down here. So as a junior police cadet what we are taught is that me you or anyone else 90% of the time will go yea i did it arrest me. so we pressure them into only if we think there bullshitting us you can tell very quickly if there bullshitting you so we go man just dont lie to me we got you doing it here here and here we got witnessses to the best thing you can do is talk to us and we will tell the judge that you admited to it and even saw the error of your ways. most the time they go yea man i did it i just kind of needed some food and stuff. and we go yea alright man well lets get you to the station we will get you a clean cell and stuff thanks for being honnest with us
That's the thing about all this stuff, it works great when a person is guilty but can backfire horribly when the person is innocent. These videos often highlight the "Reid technique". It can be a powerful tool in getting a guilty person to confess, but it's criticized for how often it has produced false confessions. And these issues apply to torture as well.
@Tj Biggers The problem with that is that, as a junior police cadet, and even as a full fledged police officer, you are in no way qualified to judge whether or not someone is providing you with an honest answer or "bullshitting" you. Everything you just described is a justification for misdirection whose only goal is cutting down on actual policework.
@Treesus This is what happened to 16yo Patrick Dils in 1987 in France, though. The police asked him leading questions, and convinced him that he would be better off admitting to the crime, even though he had not committed it. He spent 13 years in prison unjustly. Weirdly enough, two other suspects had falsely admitted to the crime before him.
@ashtar Assadi no most the time you can really tell like let’s say I thought you where guilty of a crime but you knew you where at your girlfriends or boyfriend (no judgment just an example) you would say I was at my girlfriends house I would go hymmm how long you been there when did you get there and if you could tell me a relative time with out thinking about it to long I would believe you but if you forgot I might ask if I could call your girl freind to ask her
Ya I agree with you I’m currently reading a book that talks about a mix of interrogations, politics 😑, people’s behaviour etc.. Main focus is about dissonance it’s called Mistakes we’re made (but not by me).
it’s a big book but I’m at the chapter where it talks about interrogators interrogating someone who is innocent and the interrogator thinks he’s guilty and it becomes dangerous for the victim because a small % actually ends up confessing to a crime they never committed.
But because they used the tactics to overwhelm the individual & tiring them “I’m not letting go until the person confesses” often the victim won’t understand the tactics used trusting the authority just like u would trust going in a job interview. So the difference between a job interview in other words giving information about you & an investigation trying to get something out of you which is a confession is very different & persistent making the subject (victim) unsure about themselves and starts thinking COULD I have done the crime but not remember?? It’s crazy how our mind will do that… All because we trust the authorities to catch the right guy.
Completely messed up. There should be enough evidence to clearly indicate someone's guilt. If not innocent until proven guilty. Some interrogations have been so bad they have led to many false confessions. Like other people in the comments mentioned like Japan repeating the same question over and over again. Who knows what might go on in some countries.
@Alexia Neves Hello friend, I have a recommendation for you. Read "Talking to Strangers" by Malcolm Gladwell... it'll be another great piece on a few pretty similar topics. A little shorter and easier to read I'm sure!
@Stephen Putnick oh god, so glad i didn't have to say it, yes, torture does not work. I'm all for due process but when a system gets you the answer you want, not the correct answer, its not ethical.
My brother is in jail rn for confessing to a crime there is no evidence for. I mean, he is the idiot for blurting it all out without having a lawyer present, but still. Kinda sucks to spend a year+ in prison when the only evidence is his testimony. That being said, I've heard what he said, and it is hard to imagine he isn't guilty based on his testimony, but there is always a question of "was he just making stuff up for some reason? Was he telling them what he thought they wanted to hear?" Like what he is being charged with is out of character for him.
If he had just shut up and exercised his right to remain silent, he would've been released many months ago.
Thing is, cops tend to not even realize people can actually admit guilt when innocent. They assume that the only reason to say you're guilty is that you are, so you might as well keep up the psychological pressure. Or they assume that those cases are so rare there's no need to think about them. They're wrong, but the phenomenon of fake confessions has only recently made it to prosecutors' and judges' awareness.
@Treesus that’s not true. You’ve clearly never been in this situation or felt the pressure of plea deals. The LAST thing anyone in court wants is for these cases to go to trial. They will trump up charges and throw the book at you if you even CONSIDER taking it to trial.
It’s a huge flaw in the system because the people directly involved with making the arrest are already biased in favor of making the accusation stick. Once someone arrested, an investigation should be as impartial as you can make it.
He probably learned this “ technique” of “your guilt is not in question” from someone else and didn’t realize you had to have at least some reason to believe the subject was guilty. Horrible police. Gives a bad name to all the good ones out there.
80 percent of crimes are resolved by confession, so it's not unusual for the police to claim that they have hard evidence that they don't have in order to elicit a confession. What was unprofessional is that the guy was held and charged when they actually didn't have evidence, and didn't bother doing the very minimal legwork required to check out his story. Say that hypothetically if he had been lying, they could have used false statements as evidence. What if they had caught the guilty party and didn't do the work to secure a conviction? Very sloppy police work all around.
It's the whole "we've found this at the crime scene, strands of your hair" kinda shit. This is a good way to get a confession but clearly they didn't get the right person and continue to press them.
Detective should have charges brought to him!!! This shit infuriates me! Innocent people pay the price because these piece of crap cops want a promotion so badly they are willing to throw people behind bars, ruin their lives so they can skip away with a wet pecker.
@CockYaLegS I hope that that was sarcasm. If it wasn’t, your ignorance is incurable. In response to Rikke Stellini’s comment about the US you talked about the flaws in the policing system. Mind you, this is in the comment section of a video where the cop in question is a Canadian, but even before Rikke Stellini commented you talked about how people who can’t make it in the fast food industry become police officers here, implying that the policeman in the video was American. I cannot directly quote an implication, because it is not directly stated.
@CockYaLegS also, an implication is something that is not directly stated, so to some degree it was an assumption. Also, I stated that you’re ignorant only if you think that all cops are bad. It was implied, sorry if you didn’t get that part.
To people saying how disgraceful it is that Justin (the bearded guy) spent two years in prison... Dude are you even listening? He went to prison IN HIS EARLY 20s for a previous robbery! If he was "falsely arrested" then how on Earth would JCS know/decide that he's innocent? The mere fact that they are introduced as innocent MEANS that they were absolved, do you even understand English? (I know I come off as an a-hole but stupidity really irks me)
"3 officers were demoted and suspended without pay" so basically nothing happned to them "demoted" thats a bit vague? sounds like just a title change or at worst minor salary decrease
so sad, literally just got off work probably looks tired as fuck and they make him sit there in an uncomfortable chair with nothing for 2 hours straight, probably some tactic to make him easier to coerce. "sorry to keep you waiting" "its okay" he said completely defeated
The amazing thing is... while Michael was giving 100% true facts throughout the whole interrogation, the cop was in-fact lying his ass off. Nice "investigating" dude.
Alex Well I don’t really see a problem with that but clearly his bluff wasn’t working and on top of that the black guy didn’t even fit the description. I’m sure this was just a case of racism. How do you just throw out the profile description of a petite white male and then point a gun at a 6’3” black guy?
I actually don’t see anything wrong with investigators lying during an interrogation but this just another level of stupidity. It’s not that the cop lied about having having him on camera, it’s the fact the cop knows he literally doesn’t fit the description AT ALL and that he doesn’t have an evidence either to explain why it’s him they should be interrogating and not someone else.
@Rudy Toboi lol why yes racism does play a role in every facet of society jcs specifically said that the investigator did not follow standard protocol and review the 911 dispatcher call recording, which detailed the suspect's race and height 😊
@Stevie "...Or decided to reject it all together" You can also see that in an article someone posted in the comments above, that the officer still believed Dixon was guilty. He's just willfully being a scumbag and doesn't care about possibly of sending an innocent guy to jail.
Bageda I mean, I know you’re right. I wish it were their job to actually solve crimes and find the person who did them, but unfortunately that’s not how the system works.
Thomas Westgard yeh but this is a way to get the truth. When they say they have the proof alot of people start to tell them why and how to get a smaller sentence since they think they actually know it was them already. This is used for the main suspect alot of the time. If the person actually never did it they cant say they did it. They got nothing to lose by telling the truth
Bageda That would be a great theory if the same methods didn’t also produce a high rate of false confessions from innocent people who think they can’t fight the charges and also try to negotiate for a lesser sentence.
BTW I wasn't trying to criticize whether Cops should be allowed to lie or not. I was just pointing out the irony that the one being accused in this scenario was the only one who was actually being honest and open to the truth. Which shows just how much of a dolt that cop was.
Are there any more videos like this where someone innocent is being interrogated. There’s loads of the guilty people but can’t find many with innocent people.
"Look, I just really need you to have done it, ok? This will all be so much simpler, if you will just agree to disagree that you have done it, but deep down, you did do it; ok? Do you understand, you're going to be charged. Now why did you do it, exactly?"
@Joscpe personally I like to imagine him just putting his service pistol on the table and saying “You did this, you’re the one who did this, do we have an understanding?”
Fuck, I was so sad to hear that the American got two fucking years even though he was innocent but was soooooo unbelievably relieved that the Canadian only spent 3 days & was rewarded a settlement for his nightmare & the law enforcement involved were punished. I wish us Americans could see that type of justice!!!!
If police officers falsely accuse and manage to get an individual into jail then those officers should have to spend the time of this "alleged crime" behind bars themselves
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Jonathan Parker2021-05-30 16:02:13 (edited 2021-05-30 16:02:43 )
The worst thing that you could possibly encounter as an innocent person is an officer/investigator who's already come to the wrong conclusion and is sticking to it. No matter how much integrity you have as a police officer, being wrong looks bad, and you try to avoid that if possible, even if you don't realize how it affects your mindset. Sometimes you stop looking for new information entirely, or you assume in the back of your mind that your conclusion is correct and the suspect is lying.
I think the worst part about this was the constant backpeddling. “We’ll look into this to prove if that happened” or whatever the cop said when he drew out his movements. IF YOU HAD A “VIDEO” YOU WOULDN’T NEED TO
@Caitlin Fotsch cops say that kind of thing, "we already have proof" just to draw out a confession, whether they have that evidence or not, they are allowed to lie.
@Mister No Nonsense Except they are not, and you have no idea what you are talking about. Personally encountered 2 officers who willingly lied and made up evidence to pressure and move along the case.
@Aveek Mishra My screaming toothbrush is a creepy guy and he scares me
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Eric August2021-05-31 00:18:45 (edited 2021-05-31 00:19:37 )
This sort of crap happens because i guess the cops don't want to bother spending time investigating, right? I mean stop with the bullshit assumptions, and attempts to get confessions without any evidence. Go do your job by actually investigating. THEN determine guilt. I'm so glad those cops got demoted and suspended. They are losers. I hope they learned something from that experience and became better investigators.
I’ve dealt with a detective like that. Asshole straight up told me hes been doing this for 17 years and knew I did it(robbery). Told me he was going to make sure I go to prison. The entire experience cost me my job, had to move back into my parents house and I’ve lost A LOT of respect for law enforcement.
How about living in a country where 1. You are guilty until proven innocent. 2. You do not have the right to face your accuser. In fact, they will hide the identity of your accuser. 3. You end up with a detective who is more into numbers and resume bullets.
They usually do... people in general always usually do, it's why other humans are so so scary and why there are people who just naturally choose to be tolerant of the situation because of countless previous bad behavior like this towards them and also become a more timid and anxious person who doesn't want problems...
We all know what it's like of how most people are just too much and drama queens... they say other people are difficult lol no no... i don't think so, too many people constantly try to gain attention or compete and treat others as just a target to compete with even when you aren't one of those people and end up accusing and alienating people around them, staying calm and logical is the most sane thing you could do.
This cop was totally being lazy though, however these days the culture of law enforcement just encourages these sort of behaviors and in general the standards of reaching "work targets" has become so low that they encourage trying to get anyone to take the fall for things that even go wrong to reach them, but people are cowards and instead of speaking up they just go ahead and and do that to someone.
People in the comments saying that the first guy was calm, smart and well spoken, may be but, in that case the second guy was smarter because he already knew it wasn't going to help to be quiet, well spoken or anything else, no one in that room would believe him, then him unloads all the anger and frustration he's feeling, while the first guy wastes his time drawing and arguing.
To be honest, sadly, a lot (maybe not most) cases like this in Nigeria end up with someone going away without been heard at all, case closed. But at least he wasn't shot dead on the spot.
Same feeling. Like dude call their bluff and assert your innocence! but he’s just trying to be nice. I’ve found that when accused it’s important to be direct and resist the urge to sympathize with your accuser—especially if it’s a cop
@Aurora💙 I agree. Although, as a black male, he probably didn't want to call even more attention to himself by shouting and being "aggressive" with a police officer!!
At least the fact that there were consequences for the officers beehavior is somewhat satisfying. Wrongful imprisonment is not a minor thing, and many tmes nothing happenes at all to the officers responisble. The state paying restitution is funded through taxpayer money like everything else. The cop couldn`t care less about that. BUt demotion and a blip in his record will teach him to be at least a bit more honest and follow procedure in the future.
Yeah I am an introvert but I don't have nothing on this guy. I can turn up the heat when I need too. That's probably a good hearted man. Introverts gotta stick together!!
I wonder if part of his demeanor has to do with the fact that he's a person of color dealing with police. You act like justin and you are a minority and you are fucked
@Re su Just the fact that the cop brazenly lied to an innocent man like that to the extent that he had to be called out on it. It's not surprising or anything, but it is infuriating
Remember everyone: if your guilty get a lawyer, innocent GET A LAWYER. Most of the time (IMO) cops are your friend. But, in certain situations like in all JCS videos it's literally you v. cops. Trying do this by yourself is dangerous!
Remember the Miranda rights? "You the right to an attorney" You have the right USE IT!
@Crash Bandicoot that stare down, though. Glad he didn’t get railroaded, like son in the jacket. 2 fucking years. And you know your job has no obligation to give you your job back. You have to work YEARS getting that shit off of your record. Being charged not guilty is HUGE but takes years to correct your life. Especially since son already spent time locked up… 🖕🏾the American criminal justice system.
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B W2021-06-22 01:01:44 (edited 2021-06-22 01:05:26 )
I literally had this same interaction with a detective as a teenager. I was a rotten little shit and all the cops knew it. They decided to try and pin a school burglary on me where several computers were stolen. I was no saint but had a very similar personality as this guy. I had committed plenty of crimes but not this one. The part where he is excited about cameras was exactly how I reacted. I asked to see the video so I could help find the real person who did it because apparently I was seen walking the halls and said my real name so I said well I must know them. “No that isn’t going to happen I’m not letting you see the evidence.” I immediately turned into the example of the other dude got loud, called him a fucking liar and that it is now clear he doesn’t have shit on me because I didn’t do this. Fuck you arrest me and let me call a lawyer now not saying another word. Of course I’m a white male so he just took me home I didn’t have to spend 3 fucking days in jail……..
@KGYeatman against the nature of introvert, we dont stick up heat when we will sorry, thats against our nature.
we keep our feelings to ourselves, what youre doing is a combination of intro and extrovertisme.
Its only a build up to that moment we get angry. What you saw was a classic introverted behaviour, recognised him in my way of talking and other introverts with being reasonable even tough its unfair.
@amosa mwig Being introvert doesn't mean you have one personality. Rest assure I am very introverted. As an inner city kid who was picked on as a child, joined the Marine Corps Infantry, and having been reluctantly placed in leadership roles alot through my life, I've had to learn skills to cope with these demanding moments over the years. I have combat related and non-combat related PTSD which gives me the ability to turn up the heat. It's not something I'm proud of but most people who meet me get mixed signals due to my situation. To some, it might appear that I have avoidant personality disorder.
@KGYeatman introvert is a character trait and is determined how you behave.
And we introverts dont get angry at will, because we will deal with our emotions introperspectivelty rather than outwardly.
I know lots of introvert people with similar behaviour including myself.
so props to you for what you did not every human is the same I guess I wont argue with that.
But what I do say from my experience so the people I know they're introverted, they dont get angry at will only when its build up till a certain point. Heck I nvr seen some of them angry, but always reasonable, like that first dude in the beginning of the video, I also work together with an introvert and he also exhibit same similar behaviours, and it makes sense because
"Introversion is a personality trait characterized by a focus on internal feelings rather than on external sources of stimulation" -verywellmind
@amosa mwig well I assure you, as someone who knows myself better than you do, I am not an extrovert :) and anyone who knows me will tell you the same 100%
@KGYeatman I dont need to know you, you know yourself, I know characteristics of introverted people showing similar behaviours because we just dont get angry (explosive angerness) is not in an introverts nature, only when its driven till a certain point but that takes a while. This actually made me aware why I behave reasonable even tough the heat is up.
@amosa mwig you do know in science and mental health there are exceptions to the rule? Especially psychology, almost no one ever fully fits the criteria for a diagnosis or personality type/disorder. All humans are capable of experiencing anger and it takes understanding the NATURE of pure ANGER to understand how an introvert can go from docile/bashful to outwardly expressive and sometimes publicly violent. I may have a bit of avoidant personality too, idk.. I don't deny anything you have said, but I know anger is alot more possessing than you give it credit.
@amosa mwig to clarify, it takes a long time to anger me too just like it does you friends. It's more over a boiling point for me. I try to suppress the rage, for an unhealthy amount of time until it explodes. I also take alot of crap before it actually gets to that point.
@KGYeatman I dont need to go by science, I go by the practical things I see with the people I interact with that are sharing the same character trait as I do. You can make it as complex as you want when involving science.
But again 1 thing you cant deny is, we are all unique. Maybe I must piss off a new introverted person I get to know to test it out lol
He should take this video with him to job interviews. I can't imagine a more persuasive demonstration of rationality, objectivity, and empathy. Like I feel like he's the kind of stand up person who wants so much to believe people are ultimately decent and reasonable, that he's trying to put himself in this jackass sockfull of bacon's position and trying to imagine why he might treat someone so unreasonably.
@KGYeatman this is really interesting. My husband deployed to Fallujah and al Assad, USMC and he has combat PTSD and TBI and he is an introvert but he does avoid certain situations and he’s struggling really badly and some people think he has this but he doesn’t... he’s just traumatized from the war.
@Rho ... he knows exactly why he’s being treated this way. Why do you think he’s being so deferential to him ? It’s maddening to see and this made me so angry...
@Claudia Bothner my husband and I are both introverts. He is a Marine with CPTSD and TBI. He will simmer when provoked ( like at work) or Narc parents are being abusive and then the rage comes and it is such an unforgiving state of misery . EMDR has helped but honestly this has destroyed any happiness he once had. It takes a lot to get him angry but when he does it’s a bit frightening .
@Lulu Bugz yeah that cptsd state is no joke. There's nothing like childhood trauma and combat trauma working together to turn the most gentle soul into a lunatic. And a lunatic is likely how your husband feels when he gets there. It isn't good for the self esteem after the fact.
I'm really glad you've stayed by his side. Combat vets usually have hard to holding onto intimate relationships. Youre a good woman! Whereas others would just label men like your husband and myself "damaged" and "too dangerous". I wish the best for you two. 😀
@KGYeatman that’s kind of you . I hate jodis and women who do what you said. I have been with him since before boot camp I wasn’t going to leave him because he got a TBI and has CPTSD. And you’re right. He does feel like a lunatic and this makes these issues very painful . I hope you’re doing well , and as you says introverts need to stick together.
@amosa mwig No need to get so defensive. You're obviously rather inexperienced and probably not formally educated. It's okay, it's not your fault. You'll get there eventually.
@Sarah Zyeah I get that part, however the interviewee is very aware of his non-involvement and doesn't need to "catch" the cops bluff because from his perspective it's a certainty of the untruth. To to catch someone's bluff you have to be unsure of your own actions? I dunno... It's just a really messy interview/interrogation and I think this guy's really confused and just disappointed in the quality of their work.
Anyway I'm not disagreeing, just breaking down the technicalities because it's interesting.
He was so calm because he didn't want to appear as an "angry black man". You could tell he had a great deal of respect for the police. But I highly doubt that's still the case.
I'm not sure if it was from you that I learned woman are interested in true crime because they want to see how they can prevent becoming a victim, but I feel like for me as a male this is the sort of true crime I am interested in for the exact same reason
@lee Tee girl what race gotta do? If they sitting on that chair, they already suspicious for doing a certain crime, I honestly think race is the last thing a detective thinks about when interrogating someone
It makes my blood boil seeing these “trained professionals” making false accusations, blatantly lie, and be complete and utter idiots and think that their actions are okay. It sickens me that people like this are allowed to be authority figures. Disgusting, they need to fired, no question, let go. DO NOT let these foul people have these positions of power.
Their job is to convict as many people as possible. Those trained professionals are promoted for making false accusations and getting confessions from intimidating innocent people.
@Ratchetti How reassuring to know that we’re all horrible. Although I’m sure American cops are still worse than Canadian ones. But I’m American so I’m biased.
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Ex Tempetus2021-05-31 16:37:30 (edited 2021-05-31 16:39:47 )
Well they did say that was standard procedure so whether you're innocent or guilty, the investigator will be tilted against you and would try to force a confession even without knowing if such confession was true or false.
If you got a problem with that, you gotta reform their education on standard investigation protocol. It's like reading a book or watching a movie, you know who killed king Hamlet and who isn't or who killed who or what but the character doesn't because they don't have the benefit of knowing all the information like the people watching after the event is already done...of course it would make your blood boil knowing the killer of king hamlet is currently speaking and blaming another character but for those character they don't know that.
They're "trained" to make you speak up during interrogation and if that's all they gotta do then that's all they'll make you do no matter what. They're not there to decide whether you're innocent or guilty. That's the jury's job. It's the whole justice systems fault for getting these innocent people in prison for having flawed protocols and not the people following those protocols because they don't know better.
@Ex Tempetus exactly people always like to take the moral highroad on any issue where in the end there is clear good and bad, but we will never know the outcome if we put the people in these situations, example being people always are convinced that if they where in Nazi Germany they would have stood against the evils of the regime, but there is very little evidence to support that would be the case. also love you analogy's
@Adam Being completely honest, the only significant difference between the US and Canada is the healthcare. I don’t know many borders more pointless than the US/Canadian one.
sadly these are the kinds of people who make up police, feds, DEA, CIA, all of it. A combination of idiot pawns and their evil genius puppetmasters. The state would not be able to operate witohut it. And yes it extends into the Internet, to sites like this, where they censor, obfuscate, shadowban and virtue signal to push their agendas of control and suppression.
sometimes they do that , talking about 12y jail, and say "but i have an offer for u, u can take only 2 if u confess" and some dumb prefer to confess a fals accusation cuz of the fear to take 12 without no reason
It's not just the people, it's the method and the incentives that attract those people. We need to change the rules. E.g., lying as an interrogator will get the case thrown out.
Well telling a innocent person that you have video evidence may cause a bit of stress but will still be beneficial as they will likely push them to watch while someone who is guilty will have a completely different reaction like trying to denounce it
Michael is a damn saint. He analyses everything, processes it, and comes up with patient, polite responses. He's trying to keep the investigator calm as well, while asserting that this isn't going anywhere, since he didn't commit a crime. He's doing everything to make himself a non-threat, like introverted people often do. But takes it to an extreme level of patience.
I'm a horribly introverted person, with a decent bit of patience, but holy shit I would've lost my mind with an investigator like this.
If he lashed out at the investigator he would only seem more guilty
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Johnny Natrium2021-06-16 23:39:23 (edited 2021-06-16 23:45:11 )
Introverted people are actually usually the ones who will crack quicker and harder (I'm including the shut-down approach with this which I'd consider a form of 'cracking' and reverting/resorting to the most base instinctual form of self-preservation - avoidance) since they aren't equipped to deal with social anxiety like that and interacting with a threatening person. I wouldn't call Michael a typical introvert, which is more often used to describe people who avoid social situations because they don't possess the ability to identify with others well, and suffer from anxiety and alienation. Michael is a less popularly defined description of an introvert who is completely different from most people who identify as such, in that he has the ability to be very social and empathetic, he has a natural knack for listening to people and processing what they're saying with complete self-respect, confidence and acceptance of himself as the way he is - which is very healthy and something that most self-identified introverts also lack (in a way the word has become conflated with being on the autistic spectrum, because it sounds more respectable culturally). He needed that self-respect and self-confidence for who he is as a person, because those are things that will naturally lead to rational and calm responses to difficult situations. He just doesn't like being in the spotlight and has a fear of public speaking. He accepts these traits about himself and I bet he didn't beat himself up for turning down that job position which he would've been less comfortable in. He's a guy who takes care of himself and his boundaries - like how he enjoys listening. over being the center of attention. He doesn't judge that about himself, and is also much less likely to be judgmental towards others than the more popularly known, modern self-identified introverts. They are almost like Involuntary Introverts. Just like with InCels, it points to a different issue altogether, like self-absorption, social difficulties and/or psychological disorders like autism.
You have made yourself look like the other type of 'introvert'. You're almost chastising yourself when you say you're "horribly" introverted, and seem judgmental towards yourself rather than totally accepting your traits as preferences instead of defects. You say you would've lost your mind "even though" you're introverted and patient, but losing it towards a cop is much less likely to happen to social butterflies , if you will, than to people who are on the spectrum and identify as introverts because they are out of their depth in dealing with people and understanding what their motives are and identifying with them. Something which the 'true' introvert-as-a-preference Michael actually excels at. (that bear daddy shouting at the cops, I think is even a bad example of what a true extraverted person is (this guy lives with his mom and stays home all day, and his behaviour already seemed more like he was mostly dealing with inner turmoil and anxiety - his outburst was however very directly confrontational towards the cops, which indicates that he's someone who probably regularly voices their opinion loudly - a form (or symptom) of some extraverted types. He's unusable as a control subject though because of his history in dealing with law enforcement and a criminal background which makes him 'tainted' from a psycho-pathological standpoint. Who knows what led to him behaving that way with his past. Michael on the other hand is just a regular guy with a clear history of being the self-appointed guide to his own life the way he likes to live it; with care for those around him of course.
I've been in this situation, granted it was only $600 worth of alleged property. But I spent 5 hours with a detective, cops at my house every day. Hardly once did I raise my voice to stand my ground. Part of me wishes I did in hind sight.
@Johnny Natrium fam... I read this long ass essay and got absolutely nothing from it. You clearly don’t know enough about introverts to talk about them and wrote so much fluff that even my English teacher wouldn’t bother reading that shit. Introverts don’t have problems dealing with social situations because they are introverts (they are just as capable of dealing with social situations just as much as extroverts). There are plenty of common misconceptions that we are shy, don’t know how to talk to people, have anxiety, are insecure, unconfident, when in reality we just prefer our alone time. That’s not to say introverts can’t be those things but being introverted doesn’t make u insecure and bad in social situations. On the topic of “cracking quicker” that’s really just a basis of how you were raised and how ur character is. Anyone whether they are extroverted or introverted can have Michael’s level of patience regardless of their personality.
@Korean Zombie No he does not have to be. You didn't watch the video. This was a case of an anomaly and he explained how its the opposite of the other video. Furthermore, he shows clips of guilty people explaining themselves in contrast of the innocent person. You simply didn't take in the video
@Zino Wagner He does have to be. JCS doesn't actually say in the video but that other guy, the "typical behaviour" study got wrongfully imprisoned for over 2 years. Michael got lucky but it wasn't his composure that was the lucky part.
He wont investigate anything he already has you pegged as the perpetrator so why would he if the outside investigator did not do the investigation he would more than likely be in prison for that burglary..the other guy got crapped on bad spent two years locked up because someone said you did something with zero evidence to prove you did i always say if someone does time because a witness said they did something or identified them as the perpetrator and they find out they were not than that witness should get the time the accused was facing seeing they think it is ok to ruin peoples lives..this is why evidence is needed to prove someones guilt not word of mouth there is a lot of innocent people locked up as we speak for this exact reason and that is sickening..i dont know how they prosecute off of circumstantial evidence that is not actual evidence and should not be used as such but they do..if you prefer to be a loaner and like being alone and this happens you are screwed because you wont have an alibi it would be just your word against thiers and this shows what they think of your word it is meaningless no ones word should be better than anyone elses word wether it is a bad guy,good guy,cop,lawyer doctor it dont matter anyone of them could lie to benefit themselves at any given time about anything..
The people who intentionally make false accusations, like in the other case with Candy, should have much stiffer penalties. They should be made to serve the same sentence that the falsely accused person would have had to serve.
The punishment for investigator's like this should at the bare minimum be fired with loss of pension, but they should be criminally charged as well. That can wreck an innocent persons life and then they're out the lawyer fees, if they can even afford one to begin with. If they have to go with a public defender then they truly are fucked.
This is especially problematic considering there has been people with intellectual disabilities who have been convinced by interrogating officers that they committed a crime and have given a confession to things they never did.
Also the mark of a good prosecutor being how many convictions they get and the mark of a good officer being how many arrests they make...the justice system cares sbout “getting criminals off the streets” But in reality they only care about finding someone who will take the blame for the crime whether they actually did it or not. The appearance of justice is all that matters, not justice itself
They get a lot of people that way. If you’re stupid enough to believe them why should the cops get in trouble? If it ain’t your mama or a dog you can’t trust them.
Just like prosecutors getting better jobs based on there conviction rate. Lots of prosecutors fight to keep innocent people in prison despite overwhelming evidence because they don't want it to effect their conviction rate. Go watch Joe Rogans podcast with a representative of thd innocence project. A prosecutor literally tried to get an innocent person put to death because they didn't want to admit they were wrong even when the victims daughter bragged all around town about how she killed her mother. Absolutely made my blood boil!
"Where were you at the time of the murder?" "I wasn't even born as it was 20 years ago and I'm 18." "So you have no alibi. I think we're done here, book him."
@Hesket yah, except all the false confessions from people who don't understand how the system works, believe the cops DO actually have some proof (even if wrong), and believe them when they lie and say they just need a confession to help them
I knew a guy who just didnt talk when the police spoke to him, not a word, no name, nothing. It drove the police mad.
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Jim Canterak2021-06-27 11:19:39 (edited 2021-06-27 11:19:56 )
My uncle is a pretty good and respectable lawyer. His words: "If you ever get called or escorted to a precinct for any reason and you start getting asked questions, the only thing you should say is "am I being detained?" If they say no, you get up and leave immediately. Then you call me. If they say yes, or stop you from leaving, the next and only thing you should say is :I want my phone call", at which point you call me."
Kinda figures that a lawyer would tell you to call a lawyer lol But yes, it doesn't take too many slips in the interrogation room to turn you into a suspect. Hardly anyone is as slick as they think they are
"Am I being detained" has become a meme because of stupid people overusing it when theyre just being ass holes, but its what u should ask in this situation.
@Titipe Ze healing It would greatly help us, but it's also a better tactic to just not say anything until a lawyer is present. You may luck out and end up being able to get him as an uncle.
Though Ngl we do kinda need him- he sounds like a good lawyer just from what I've heard 👀, then again he's just doing his job plus helping out his niece.
Yeah even cops will say that it’s best not to talk to cops, even when you’re innocent. They are trained to twist and reinterpret any statements while applying psychological pressure.
my uncle's a lawyer too but we're not very close, never been close at all, since he lives next town and has his own family and is very busy to even bond with his family. not saying im not lucky too but you're surely lucky to have yours
@Jai1253 Not really, most people know they should ask for a lawyer, it's just that the system is corrupt, especially for poor people. In this case cops have denied people their phone call, very common. This even happens for white and relatively wealthy people though only when they do things that the state dept don't like. Anti imperialist journalists etc.
They know there is no consequence if they do, even if they're supposed to allow you a phone call. Say you want a lawyer, they keep you in a cell for a day or two until you accept just a "short interrogation" or whatevs. It's nuts.
This should be the background image on all phones and honestly kind of a prayer you speak out every morning or something… at least if you are black in racist America 😣
@BvousBrainSystems yeah, even if you're innocent or are completely and utterly truthful with every word and fact your words can still be used against you.
My husband is a lawyer, and he says the same thing. "Always ask for a lawyer, because if the cops have decided you're guilty, it's not going to end well for you, no matter if you're innocent or not."
Also, listening to this channel, I've sometimes asked my husband, "How many times would you have told this guy to not answer that question?" His response: "Oh, we would have hit 'Charge my client or we're leaving,' about five minutes in."
could you request a lawyer to be present before the investigator continue asking you? Because in another video, the investigator just keeps asking even though the suspect demands a lawyer.
@achmad ramdhan It depends on the country, but in the United States, you don't have to say anything, and if you've requested a lawyer, they cannot continue to interrogate without a lawyer present if you've requested one (unless they trick you into saying things a certain way). It's called invoking Miranda. A good summary of the exceptions police will use: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/questioning-after-claiming-miranda.html
Literally though, you don’t talk to the cops even if you are innocent. It’s one thing to have information and are helping them in a case however, the moment you’re in a room and they even ask you a single question that feels like it’s interrogating then you ask for lawyer. We don’t trust cops, we trust lawyers 👌
why dont these people ask for lawyers?? I wouldnt say a word to these cops after they display their confidence in a false acusation like that, not with out a lawyer, unless I dont understand these situations. Ive only watched crime docs and law and order. Never had a incident with the law. But from my understanding, these people should not talk to police and call their lawyer or have one given to them.
I was so hit with that I couldn't even understand the next few seconds. I just froze. And he talked about how he's been to prison and turned his life around... Man, the poor guy. The poor poor poor innocent guy.
@manana how much compensation would make up for losing two years of your life, honestly? Jail or prison ain’t no joke either. It’s not a hotel, restaurant or fun time with the boys. You’re bullied, told what to do, when to do it, eat when they say and have basically no rights (they say you do but that’s hardly the truth) or healthcare inside or protection. It’s not okay to lock up anyone for something they didn’t do. You could offer me $10 million dollars right now for a year in jail or prison, and I’d still decline. People who served 20+ years barely got a few million if they were lucky. Having your freedom taken from you is not worth any amount imo but hey to each their own. Have a good day
We should do that one tradition again where we ring bells and yell "shame" and throw rocks , that should be punshiment for being bad at your job lol and cough-racist-cough
I think that the reason Michael was so calm and undersyanding despite the fact he was unjustly put in this position, is because ot was 2003 and he's black. I hope that's not the reason, but I feel that it is
Hm. Well, never know when opportunity knocks $46,000 for 3 days in jail. I have never been in jail, or even seen a jail, but I think would take that deal :)
When he accepted to speak with the police without a lawyer is what got him. Even if you are innocent, you have NO REASON to speak to the police. Nothing you say will convince an officer hell bent on a conviction to change his mind.
The problem is a lot of people can’t afford a lawyer. They have to rely on an overworked public defender who’s main job is to keep this wheel turning. Not to protect innocent defendants. Although some really are good people who do try to help.
@Alex Martin This is not true in Canada. In Canada there are no public defenders. If you have no money, you get legal aid and that pays for your lawyer. It will not buy you the best in their field, however that lawyer has everything to gain from representing you as best he/she can, as the only way to climb the ladder (and ask for higher tariffs) is to be successful. Because of this, it is a better system than in the US.
A lot of people seem to base their views on how it is in the US, but outside the US things can be different you know...
Its either that or maybe that police should try to solve crimes instead of just pinning them on random people so they can go home and tell everybody how well their're doing their jobs... And let me tell ya; from what I'm seeing you have just as much a problem with your police as you're having with crime over there in the US^^
I've watched enough of these interrogations to know that if you are ever in a room with the police you keep your mouth shut especially if your innocent. Some of these cops are like Hollywood writers and will use your own words to craft a story that fits their narrative.
@SameerWahabShamim Chowdhury Cool one more person who hasn't paid a fucking cent into our healthcare coming here to use it. Don't worry I'm sure this is sustainable for us, and isn't deeply inconsiderate to abuse another countries social systems in this way.
@Ragnarok Ahhh yes, because I a 13 year old child want to go to Canada for free health care is so incosiderate and abusive to it's social system, how nice.
@SameerWahabShamim Chowdhury I had a job that was being taxed at age 12 which was going towards the health care system. Your age is irrelevant, it is inconsiderate and abusive to want to use something you (or your parents) haven't provided for. Your country doesn't owe me shit why does mine owe you?
@Dee Rick In their defense, the mind convinces itself of things. It's awful, but they believe in their abilities and won't be convinced otherwise, especially when it's in their best interest to bust as many criminals as possible. Ill-conceived goals that ruin lives. Promotions and pay raises should be contingent upon individual cases. Maybe they managed to trip up a suspect into giving information that seals the prosecution's case. That's better than "Mike got 53 baddies and Joe got 64. Joe, congratulations"
Except the fact if you don’t talk to them and go through a lawyer then you have to shovel out money for a lawyer. This guy was unemployed at the time right? So that right there is why he didn’t shut up and talk a lawyer. He thought he was obviously innocent and didn’t wanna spend thousands.
@Ragnarok are you serious? you must have no idea about Economics and Social Systems if you think that people coming into your country will collapse your health care system. I’m from Germany and people come here for these benefits as well. It’s what countries want, because we need talented and hard working people from all around the world. My girlfriend is from Russia and she benefits already a lot right now from our affordable and good health care but my country will benefit a lot more from here in the long run (she’s a Physician and soon to be PhD). And if you say that’s different because she is qualified, trust me there are still stupid people who want her out of the country.
If you ever visited a university‘s master Programm you’ll see how many immigrants are sitting in there, because almost no country can meet the demand of smart people by themselves.
Please think about what you’re saying next time, when you’re telling this crap to a young kid who’s dreaming of coming to your country, because people like you are actually ruining their own countries without even knowing it.
@Jan ok jan, I guess you neglected to look at how many people we take in. It's more than anyone, it's ridiculous. There are so many differences between Germany and Canada it's amusing that you'd even begin to compare. They aren't the same because they have socialized medicine. It's simple math, there isn't an infinite supply of medicine or medical care and we have trouble getting full coverage to citizens who have already been here for decades paying for it. More people who, out of the gate, claim they want to benefit from it who have yet to pay for it... is a strain. Sure might not collapse overnight but have some foresight... The demand line is rocketing and the supply line stays flat.
Credentials are the bottom line, I don't care how many minorites are in a PHD class if none of them ever publish anything that's cited or used by anyone else. But by all means continue to wave paper credentials around like they mean something.
We don't need high population because it's only a good thing if you can sustain it.
Who cares what age he is. He was old enough to post the comment but not old enough to hear criticism? I didn't know what age he was when I replied so I didn't choose him because he was a kid and I'm not going to disrespect him with velvet gloves so take your white knight routine to someone who cares and to someone who it's applicable to.
Well I know the man I am, I know my behaviour is sustainable and I don't rely on anyone but myself. I will never destroy my country and even if it is destroyed I'll still be okay because I'll have what it takes to stay and rebuild. I doubt the people here for health care will be there with me to rebuild but I know they'll be back once it's finished...
@Jo Salals Well you clearly disagree with what I said but offer no alternative. At least Jan had the stones to provide an argument. I'm fine being the joke because I've just found my punchline!
@• 7 minutes ago • 4 years ago No, I was old enough legally to do the job. I chose to do the job of my own volition in exchange for the wage they promised me. I didn't need to work because my parents provided for me the things that I needed so I wasn't coerced or manipulated in anyway and I could quit at my leisure. Didn't feel like child labour to me. Hell, I was one of the few kids who had extra disposable income after they spent their allowance.
How is it possible that an investigator and interrogator can indict you with false evidence? And on top of that get a promotion because of that? UNFUCKINGBELIABLE!
It'd be almost impossible to prove. You'd have to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer in question did not believe the victim was guilty. Good luck making that charge stick. :/
@Max Lennon if the officer lied or pretended to know things he didn't, as in this case, the criminal intent is clear. Any officer who lies during the course of an attempt to coerce a confession can be assumed to be acting with criminal malice.
@Andrew Camden that’s part of the interrogation process lol. If the dude said we have video evidence a guilty person may confess to it. Why the hell would an innocent person confess when they knew they didn’t do it and the cops had video evidence of them not doing it?
@Andrew Camden Yes, I thought he did the accusation misconceiving, in good faith. You lot seem to think/know he did false accusation knowingly. Can they do that just to get a suspect convicted, not caring for justice and truth? Do they get praise for convicting, not for truth/justice done?
@Claudia Bothner they have quotas to meet. Metrics to hit. It’s well known some detectives will do anything to close out a case including putting innocent people away for crimes they are not at all guilty of.
@Andrew Camden LOL My wife solved every mystery around our house by applying this exact tactic on all our three children. She tweaked her method just enough to keep it working through their teen years too. Magic!... I guess my point is that fake it till you make it is an important tool when you're trying to get criminals to confess.
Do you think people who comment on these videos think the criminals can see their comments? This is common, general-purpose, kindergarten-level advice for everyone when interacting with the police. Cheers!
@Visible Human There's a practice where for 8 hours + where the interrogator constantly interrupts them telling them they did the crime and they're going to jail until the person admits they did the crime even if they're innocent they don't want to experience that any longer
@Unionknight ahh yes that is messed up. But going in to an interrogation it seems like it would be most effective (generally) to act as though you know the subject is guilty… if it’s an innocent person I doubt they’d give in to stress and falsely confess to something if the interrogator was just asking questions framed in a way that insinuated guiltiness. If they went in to an interrogation acting like the person is innocent on the other hand and they are just asking questions to probe then the people will typically be more defensive and won’t give info/ confess even if they were guilty ( there is of course outliers here). What you are describing sounds like a form of psychological torture.
Honestly I believe this guy way more than the other guy he was so calm and confident he was innocent. Even started to question the cops lack in investigating skills. Also called his bluff on the video information. Or….. a criminal mastermind😂
@Malachi 6 The approach is fine. The problem is the choice of suspect. Dixon should never have been in that chair, so when we have that knowledge in advance, any tactics used against him are going to come across as inappropriate. In an ordinary situation, where someone is detained with probable cause, deceptive tactics are absolutely fair game.
Officer, if you have me on video tape, then you'll have to show that evidence in court. When you can not do so, I will use the law like a hammer, and the courts live an anvil, to beat the financial resources and spirit out of you. Lock me up, and let's make it happen, friend. ;-)
I myself was atrested for Failure to appear. Never had a court date. Had to pay $300 to a bondsman. The charges were dropped as soon as i went in court. Was told i couldnt get my money back because i paid a bondsman 300 and not the whole 3000.then was advised i could sue but would pay more money then i would recive back. It is nightmare to be arrested for nothing and robbed of my money.
Yes, this definetly happens in North America all the time, but almost never in other countries. I live in norway, and i have only heard of 1 single wrong imprisonment over the last 20 year's.
So much more than simply being bad at your job; it's deliberately LYING to get another person into prison. No one should be above the law, or below the law - the law either applies to EVERYBODY....or it applies to NOBODY !!!
The term Northern America refers to the northernmost countries and territories of North America: the United States, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Canada, and Greenland.
@pandoman Canada is no longer part of the UK. Canada became a self-governing dominion within the British empire on 1 July 1867 when the British North America Act was passed by the UK Parliament. Canada obtained full autonomy when the UK Parliament passed the Canada Act 1982.
Police are human and make mistakes just like everyone else, but at the same time, their mistakes have serious long lasting consequences in others life’s.
@DT i didnt say it dont happen anywhere else what i meant was i only see that to this degree in north america? Especially the us where 5% of all death penalties are wrong?
In some countries that's rule instead of exception
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Bruce Wayne2021-03-24 01:36:44 (edited 2021-03-24 01:53:34 )
Don't put all the blame on the officers, the system trains them that making their quotas is more important than upholding the law, the way it should be. That's not to say the officers are not assholes, they obviously had a choice.
@Feroplays46 you need to get out more if you actually believe that lol. I'm sure the police in dictatorships around the world are super honest lol. that profession doesn't attract honest people. doesn't matter the country
@Josh hahaha bro what are you Even talking about? Dictatories arent even worth to mention because duuuuuh?! We are Talking about the democraties of the Western world gosh you americans cant even think in context
@Feroplays46 "Dictapasteries and Desocrates?" haha, Not to mention you're getting all riled up when someone forces you to be more specific? Then you get all riled up because other people are not being specific? You're quite the character lmao
its more that he'd rather imprison the wrong person than admit he was wrong. I reckon 95% of people on earth have a problem admitting they're wrong. It takes great character to admit being wrong, but it also allows you to grow as a person.
It’s difficult but focusing solely on the investigators mistakes is unfair, yes some professions require a lot more diligence and most of those professionals take it to heart including most of the officers in the video, still not a place for people who’s greatest fuck up could be an unevenly attached coffee cup lid or shorting change then you don’t have the expertise.
One time my grandfather was accused of murder when he was young, but... he had been with family in an entirely different state at the time of the crime! Nowhere near the victim, my aunts who he was visiting had to come to the courthouse from all that way away to vouch for him and help him go free. Sometimes, they make mistakes
@Stefan Vegsund Yeah sadly the issue is the police care about their image to the public more than seeking justice because the good image gives them a pay bump.
@Max Not norway. Both our investigators and prison system are at such high level, we travel around the world to teach others. But what to expect from people having 6 months at a police academy like in US and other countries, working in a system where its all about money, sending people to private prisons which earns big bucks of others misery. They´re not unconditionally looking for truth, but by all means a way to place blame.
@ITILII I see no problem with an investigator lying to get things moving faster, the problem is when they fail to do their job by ignoring the evidence
@Tomáš Trmata Higher education doesn't stop incompentence. Police has at least a bachelor degree in my country, yet there's plenty of incompetence. The difference is, sadly, a larger inertia for accepting this. After all, 'educated people cannot be incompetent' is a dangerous mantra to have.
@Stefan Vegsund You haven't done your research then. There have been plenty of wrong imprisonments in both prisons and psychiatric institutions. And one of the main faults is structural. Judicials do this to several individuals every single year.
Several was found innocent after being punished. Some of these cases were obviously fraudulent. And Norway rarely care about paying any reparation for such misconduct. Any incompetence goes unpunished.
@Steffen False. Higher education does not compensate well for incompetence. And this happened in Canada, which has similar educations and systems for police as European nations.
@Nathan H One has to seek them out from various institutions and lawyers do post case findings to advertise for themselves. Most of these errors are well buried from the public. Norway has done plenty, and has been critizised for structutal errors. European courts has found structral breeches of human rights even.
@Finn S. Higher educations isnt a guarantee preventing bad jugdement at an individual level, or in every case. But on group level, education and experience within the right framework will increase the possibillity of making well thought out decisions. Of course, morality, culture, politics etc within the country will be decisive for how the systems work. Also the direction of the education.
Anyways, from what i understand.. police in US or America at large ,get way too less time to practice these important situations.
Even the mass murderer at utoya, in Norway, got ten times as fair treatment than these people.
@Stefan Vegsund Bad people are attracted to jobs that has authority and forceful exploitation.
Seeing how the norwegian cops is differentiating in upholding the criminalisation of drugs by going more after minorities and drug addicts in eastern Oslo, worsening their situation with bills and drug contracts, it's clear there is not a secular mindset in the force.
Where the police, however, is not differentiating is about the circumstances in relation to drug consumption: there is several cases of rape victims getting charged and contracted for drug use that they themselves wasn't responsible for, (even people that only seek help through calling health services) and imagine then how humiliating and unnecessary that check up the genitals are for the victims in these cases. With a bill on top of that and a drug contract, it's shit for those that struggles most in our society because the police feel they have had a good job done on their part.
Though objectively milder and more humane than other police forces around the world, it doesn't exclude the Norwegian police force from being shit and ignorant towards people in certain areas, especially in drug related cases.
(no, not ALL cops are bad of course, but the bad personalities that are attracted to the force are the ones being dominant there, trying to justify the means behind their oppressive behaviour in a manipulative and ideological manner, while the few "good ones" have too little influence to make a difference. Some individuals in the norwegian police force have spoken out in defence of the recent drug reform law being suggested, though, so kudos to them for being insightful about ethics)
To be honest, this is how all western juridical systems are built.(maybe all...?!) It's not about finding the right person(though, which they often do), but more about "clearing cases". There is a really easy explaination to this: We as society expect to see crimes cleared.. that is why there are statistics for that.
If you all are not familiar with it "Paradise lost"(HBO I think series), an incredibly twisted and sad turn of events: That not only took the lives of three small boys(like 8 years old) , but also wrongfully imprisoned 3 other young men. If you look at it, it becomes very clear: Society wants someone to pay.(And if you watch the documentary you will know exactly what I mean, it's very outspoken in the documentary, but the same thesis applies everytime something unjust have occured)
It does'nt really matter who it is that pays, just that someone does. It's much easier for law enforcement to single in on someone "who could have done it", present him/her. And let society quenche its thirst for justice(..or blood for that matter) Because when we are at ease with the fact that justice have been served.. then we have another notch to add to the collection of "crimes solved" to show when we need to present solving rates again.
@Chest Rockwell ? Canada is definitely not part of the UK. We have the queen on our money and other vestiges from that dominion but that doesn't meant we aren't fully autonomous and independent from the UK. Source: Someone who lives in Canada.
@Feroplays46 In Amsterdam cops often simply refuse to come show up at a crime scene (or an accident) or when a perpetrator of a known crime is located! Though in all honesty it also is often dispatch refusing to send them.
@Tomáš Trmata can confirm. I'm an American expat currently living in Germany, I've traveled a lot in Western and Eastern Europe except in the UK, and the difference between police (and the justice system) in North America versus Europe is like night and day. Wrongful imprisonment is par for the course in the USA, but very rare in any corner of Europe.
And it makes sense, because in Europe, prisoners don't do hard labor. But in the USA, prison slavery is explicitly legal. When politicians whine about how expensive prisons are, it's all a farce: prisoners are a lucrative form of manual labor in the States, and are even used in call centers or as farm hands. This is why in the USA, they prefer having innocent people or harmless criminals in jail rather than violent ones, because it's easier to enslave and exploit a non-violent person. There are over two million people sitting in prisons across US territories, and I dare say that a sizable amount of them don't belong there. It's conspicuous that the prison population is so colossal, while criminals run rampant outside of prisons. Most rapists don't go to jail, and most murders aren't solved. So who the fuck are the +2 million peeps sitting in jail?!
@Stefan Vegsund It most certainly does happen in other countries, but America is almost singular in how much information the news media has access to; America is also relatively transparent compared to many other countries, so when shit like this happens it almost always gets reported on. Canada is similar, likely due to proximity influence from America and free flow of people and culture/information across the border. While it's not seen as much in 1st world western countries, in many countries police and governmental corruption have landed a literally uncountable number of innocent people in prison or worse.
That isn't a reasonable position, considering it is a hard job and humans are prone to mistakes considering they aren't omnipotent, all knowing, gods. All being said, I still get it, it's easy to get mad at the investigators.
Welcome to Japan! Its dishonourable to be wrong when accusing someone so the imprisonment rate of arrested criminals is around 98%. Rarely if ever do you get out if arrested, especially if foreign, they are known to be bery unforgiving twoards foreigners that are accused of any crime
Title of the vid is the mefjn TRUTH! I am fighting 2 seperate charges that are flat out not right. The first one the cop lied about a turn signal. System is disgusting.
@Rej3ct _Conquer Better to appear guilty than to risk being found guilty. The police aren't on the side of the suspect, so innocent suspects should focus entirely on their own well-being.
@notahotshot People who say that forget about the financial aspect. Even though a lot of countries give people the right to an attorney they may still charge for them. If someone is in a precarious financial situation and are a bit naive they may have more faith in the justice system finding them innocent rather than spending a bunch of money in legal fees.
Say, very clearly, "I want an attorney." Nothing more, nothing less. Look at the YouTube video called Do Not Talk to the Police, and the book called You Have the Right to Remain Innocent.
@locabynature That's exactly it. You assume that because police officers are just people, members of society, they must want justice and whats right to prevail. Unfortunately, even if they do, it's not worth their time or effort to find the truth in a lot of cases. They'd rather just slap some cuffs on and get back to the office in time for lunch after all the other bullshit they've had to deal with their whole career..
@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies you're right. It's sad that it took another investigator to step in three days later to take a look at the "evidence". Then after that they only got suspended and demoted. what the hell? I know they're not all bad but they do try and bulldoze over us if you don't know the extent of your rights. the justice system needs some repairs because it's seriously out of order.
@lonecourierjoeyV2 me too and any other evidence that he has of course I'd wait for my attorney to get there first Michael could've walked out that night if he only would've demanded the evidence the dumb cop said he had. Sad
Clerk: "I was robbed by a short white man" Police: "Alright boys, look for the biggest black guy you can find!"
In the shadow of the USA's issues, we Canadians often forget we have serious racial profiling problems of our own. Videos like this remind me just how much work we still need to do.
@Kohlenstoffisotop12 I cant tell if that's a question or not, but yes, what's weird is he makes Computer Science themed videos. The YouTube algorithm works in mysterious ways
The first case pissed me off right away when the Detective just asks why did you do it, not where were you, what were you doing. Not letting him build any Alibi whatsoever to test for any forms of lying or uncertainty about his story.
I think the attempt there was to get a straightforward emotional reaction out of a nervous guy either wondering why he was in that room or knowing exactly why he was in that room. Pissing a person off out of the gate occasionally elicits an unsolicited truth. Either way getting more than a vaguely circumstantial reference shouldn't be the goal; fact based evidence and verifiable witness testimony should be pertinent.
It's a very common form of interrogation also known as "the interrogator's right to fucking lie to you" where they can straight up lie in pursuit of "truth".
If they fool the guilty into believing they were caught red handed they can convince them that cooperation is the most profitable option for them.
Now, every person under the sun can see the problem, under this kind of pressure even the innocent may plead guilty in fear of the worst to come.
It's called positive confrontation. They put you in a room, in a corner, surrounded on all sides making you nervous as all hell. One way window on your right, officer to your left and your back literally to a wall. The Officer will initially play nice ("You can leave this room at any time, just say and my colleagues will escort you out. Now, would you like something to drink? Coffee perhaps?") then after getting a rapport and a baseline (what the subject looks like when they aren't lying to you) flip into gently asking "Why did you do it?". The initial, unguarded response and how it deviates from the baseline might raise or lower the suspicions of the officer in front of you.
Its cause they have zero proof it was him. He was just a black man, that cops saw near a crime. Cops dont care about getting the right guy, just getting someone to blame. Sadly, seems like the first guy has dealt with this shit a few times.
Legitimately dog shit investigative work, even if he was guilty. Like you can't possibly learn anything like that...
Especially when the description didn't match and they had no physical evidence. The man accused he called their bluff and the cop just realized he had the power to do whatever he damn well pleased and arrested the guy.
Demoted and suspended.. good suites them right.. for not doing the ONE JOB THEY HAD as an investigater... you know like INVESTIGATE
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Gordon Ramsay2020-10-08 23:27:38 (edited 2020-10-08 23:39:10 )
I am Canadian/Ontarian, that "investigator" was a f**** disgrace. Being kept in jail for three and a half days for a person accused of a non-violent crime without evidence is utterly disgraceful.
Pretty shocking, yup. He had a really petty and obnoxious approach and if someone like that was ever trying to interview me I would point out their bad attitude tell them I would not be saying anything to them. Get me another interviewer and I will happily speak to them. Same in any walk of life, if you come up against someone like that, just criticise them to their face and tell them you want to deal with someone else.
@Seven Sages My contention is with the unnecessary use of confinement and shackles for someone who was presumed guilty because the police needed to bring somebody in. If that were me, I would resist arrest and imprisonment.
Everyone saying get a lawyer...... cant trust them either. They can feed prosecution plea deals by taking advantage of your ignorance of the law. Public pretender did that to me. Cared not one lick of what i had to say which wouldve dropped my charge down and convinced me a plea was my best option.
The interrogator's demeanor changed almost immediately after that discussion. His level of confrontation all but evaporated and his confidence took a nosedive.
@JealousElephant I get the feeling of vindictiveness in that he decided not to corroborate the story. Instead, allowing the guy to rot in a cell for 3 days.
"That's a wrap, folks. The flagged videos violate the "violence" and "sensitive events" guidelines. The same old tune we've been hearing since 2018. It's their gig so fair enough. We cannot thank you enough for the love you have shown this channel, and we will of course keep you updated on our next move. Love goes out to you all x" thats what he said
Genuine question. If Michael had a lawyer with him, would they have pushed the cops to investigate further, provide evidence etc? In short, would Michael have been locked up for 3 days if he had a lawyer present?
@A71 i dont think he would have stayed the night if he got to talk to his Attorney. Im only guessing cause the cop showed little to no care about what michael had to say; except if he was gonna spill the beans
@Jontae Grace I am 90% sure that they are required to give you a lawyer if you request one... A lot of people don't know this and that's what the problem is.
If a LEO asks you "How are you doing?", your answer should be "I can neither confirm nor deny that." If a LEO asks you "Is the sky blue?", your answer should be "I can neither confirm nor deny that." If a LEO asks you "Does 2 plus 2 equal 4", your answer should be "I can neither confirm nor deny that."
I think the ones with no remorse who think they are smarter than everyone ( Narcissists... sociopaths), they will probably decline a lawyer because in actuality they dont know how dumb they sound and cant keep up with all of the manipulative lies.
@Death Row Executions Are you aware of The Barbara Graham Case in which Barbara refused immunity? John True, who took immunity, the chief prosecution witness, made a statement he met her first on March 9th 1953, the date of the murder, and then testified he met her on March 8th - the date of the conspiracy he was at with two others ( Santo and Perkins ) who were convicted of the murder and executed with her and he walked free. The statement True made saying he first met her on March 9th was not produced at the trial. It surfaced in 1960. Nothing has been done.There are other issues such as the chief prosecutor claimed she confessed to pistolwhipping the victim until dead and the chief prosecutor's own witness,The Autopsy Surgeon, called to establish the cause of death said the cause of death was strangulation.True also testified Barbara put a pillowcase over the victim's head but in the statement not produced at the trial he said Perkins - not Barbara Graham - put the pillowcase over the victim's head. Perkins confessed to Edward S. Montgomery, Pullitzer Prize-winning journalist two weeks before he was executed " Montgomery, that ol' lady was never pistolwhipped. She was beat with her own cane. " If you want to read of this shocking miscarriage of justice it is outlined in Kathleen A. Cairns' book Proof of Guilt: Barbara Graham and the Politics of Executing Women in America University of Nebraska Press.True's allegation she was at the conspiracy on March 8th is disproved by this statement of True's and her innocence would have been proved as a fact in evidence before the crime, murder, if it had been produced at the trial. The prosecution had to prove she was at the conspiracy as it was necessary for the prosecution to prove guilt by proving Barbara had knowledge of the robbery and therefore mens rea - intention in advance to kill the victim if the victim was in her home when those who were the true conspirators including True burglarized it, in order to get the death penalty by proving they all had knowledge in advance of the robbery on March 8th. This element of intention of Barbara Graham, required to be proved by the prosecution, was erroneously " proved " by not producing the statement in which True said he first met Barbara Graham on March 9th (" I seen her, she was just a woman with Mr. Perkins " - the other conspirator with Santo and True - and Baxter Shorter - True said in the non-produced statement ), and without the statement in evidence, True's testimony erroneously" proved" to The Jury she had knowledge of the robbery at the conspiracy and therefore was at the crime. If the statement had been produced at the trial, the fact before the crime would have been that she was not at the conspiracy on March 8th and therefore the evidence would have been that she was not at the crime as it proved she had no knowledge of it in advance, therefore no intention to commit First Degree Murder - no mens rea - and as she did not have any knowledge at all she did not commit the murder. If the statement had been in evidence, the fact before the crime would have proved was that True was framing her as being there on March 9th - the night of the murder ( and the prosecution was also ). As the statement was not produced, Barbara was executed in 1955 for First Degree Murder. True had testified Santo put a piece of cloth around the victim's neck. And the cause of death was strangulation as proved by the autopsy Surgeon.
5:20 I think we all know how the justice people treat black people in America, this is an everyday thing that you're accused of doing something you didn't do. it is not an anomaly at all
Loved that ending. Bad cops punished and innocent dude paid $46,000. True JUSTICE in the end. (For the benefit of those below who love to comment but not to listen: the dude who spent 3 DAYS in jail got the money.)
@Cam you've mixed the 2 completely seperate cases shown here. Beardy white guy was held for 2 years over the crime he was interviewed for. Nothing is known about his compensation or status. Tall black well spoken guy was held for 3.5 days and the cops got in trouble, he was awarded 46k.
@hi 46k is pretty decent for 3.5 days. It's a shit ordeal but 46k covers it. Beardy white guy went away for 2 years for nothing, and so far we don't know if he got comp or not - chances are he's still fighting in courts for some kind of justice.
The problem with that civil reward is the public pays for it. The cops feel no punishment there. And if in Canada like it is the US, that money doesn't actually come out of the PD's budget directly. It comes out of a separate fund that isn't counted towards the PD budget. So the PD's that employ these corrupt and/or incompetent officers don't actually feel any pain themselves. They aren't forced to cut back their own hours or bonuses or extras or anything.
The reward for the victim is 100% deserved. But what needs to happen is the rewards come out of the actual PD budget, and even more importantly out of all the cops' retirement funds and pensions of that department. That will cure cop corruption, lying, and lack of accountability faster than anything.
@petrol Beardy served 2 years for a previous crime he did actually commit. The one he was interviewed about he was later found innocent in. He was falsely accused but deliberately so it wasn't entirely the police's fault.
@hi 46k is perfectly adequate for 3 freaking days. If you start awarding more than that, those departments will make sure NO mistake is ever uncovered.
(That's is basically exactly what happened in the USA in the 70's/80's, and look at the results now....it's hard to get out even after the real criminal confesses because the county wants to avoid the multimillion dollar comps). It's a delicate balance that most of the USA has already screwed up.
That stupid cop interrogating Michael only got demoted....he should have gotten fired. Total incompetence - a short white guy????? Did Michael look like a short white guy to anyone? Also, didn't Michael at one point 'sort of' ask for a lawyer? It was when the cop said he looked at the video and saw Michael on it. Shouldn't that have stopped all questioning?
@Jade Marie 1 mill a day is a bit much but I do agree. He should have been given 30k each day he was in prison. 30k x 365 x 2 years comes out to 21million
Very well deserved. Seem like an absolute nightmare knowing you are innocent, but being stuck in jail. Not knowing when you even get out. The mental agony is worth the money alone.
I would lose even the little bit of trust I had in the law.
In the US the corrupt pigs would have been promoted.
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C J2020-10-11 08:39:51 (edited 2020-10-11 10:31:05 )
@Cam It's cool! It happens to everybody at some point. I agree that the guy that spent 2 years should have a payout, too. No word on whether he did, but I would be willing to bet he received money, too. It should be well over $1,000,000.00 for those 2 years.
I wish he had received more of an award - $200,000. I really kept thinking the interrogating officer was going to say, they were just kidding with him and that they knew he was innocent and then let him go, but he was real suspect. Wow. What a shame. 💜
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C J2020-10-11 08:54:41 (edited 2020-10-11 14:31:17 )
@K M Is that what he received for 2 years...$200,000?
@C J Hi CJ, No, I am referring to the first guy who only got $46,000. For me, that just isn't enough for what they did to him. $200,000 would have been a better settlement for his humiliation and possible scruffed up reputation. 💗
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C J2020-10-11 10:28:36 (edited 2020-10-11 10:29:52 )
@K M Thanks for responding back! I agree with you on that. Government really needs to take it very serious to falsely accuse someone without evidence. I studied criminal justice and learned that many innocent people are imprisoned. It is partly due to our judges being more shorthanded these days, and running through case by case at a high rate of speed.
If u get accused of a crime , ull sit in jail until your trail & then uv gotta go threw a trial & convince a jury u r innocent, & if u do , then ull be released, if u win in court, eventually, u could sit in jail for 2 years , even though u r innocent , waiting for court , it happens every day ,& nobodys getting paid for nothing, cept the lawyer on u r case
Yeah, was wondering all along the video, if he would be compensated. I think 46K grants some satisfaction for those probably worst 3 days of his life. I mean, ok, we got that he was released but why should he suffer even minute of his life when he's innocent? And the detective was so pathetic, unlike those other detectives we see on this channel, he was a total joke. Starting with a bluff when he wasn't sure that suspect was guilty. He didn't have a slightest reason to be sure he was guilty beyond the fact that the guy was somewhere near where crime happened. Also, the witnesses definitely describing someone who wasn't looking like him and he still pressed on him ignoring the characteristics. Glad he was suspended too.
@muhsin bek Not even close to a "good deal" when you consider the damage to his personal reputation. Not everyone knows (or cares) that he was falsely accused. It's like the retractions newspapers regularly have to print after making false claims about someone. Most people will never see or hear about a retraction, same as with this guy. Most people will go away thinking he did it but somehow got off. You're just seeing the money without considering his reputation.
@Vika Jorjadze he also had to (according to the news article) to adhere to restrictive bail conditions for nine months . If he worked in trade shows. Probably meant he couldn't travel.
Dude justice? $46,000 is NOTHING he could have been Free and had sex and had love and kids and had a job that paid 2-5 times more. Anyone who thinks $46,000 is worth it hasn't been to jail. Even 1 hour drives u crazy
@Max Hyde i think they’re going off of that one guy who sued for a mil for each year he served, it’s ridiculous that they weren’t guilty and were punished... 1 mil seems more than fair lol
Yeah im so sick of the bad cops always giving their titles bad rep. Because if you look in the comments here, everyone is going "OMG ALL COPS ARE BAD, NEVER SPEAK TO THE COPS" and its such a shitty attitude to have. People arent smart enough to know that theres always bad people in every job position. Its not a cop problem, its a human being problem. Unfortunately the few bad cops are all people ever hear about these days because theres a narrative being pushed that police = bad and its just not true.
@Travis Ryno do you think they already make sure crimes they commit can be uncovered? Also to the guy saying he was falsely accused but it was deliberate... that’s a terrible argument that doesn’t make it ok, just because you commit a crime it shouldn’t be ok for police to make up stuff to get you in
@Y F They do arrest the bad cops. If a bad cop breaks the law, they get arrested. Law enforcement is NOT above the law like the media and ignorant people says they are. Most of the time they're fired/suspended, then they go into investigation/court where the judge deals with them.
Amazing how keen some people are to comment, but how slow to listen. Only 2 dudes in the story - they clearly told us which one got the money, but still too confusing for some.
petrol correct, but one thing to correct you on. Beard guy had a past record of 2 years that’s unrelated to the case, but was indeed real and not false. He was however about to be falsely in prisoned for 20 years if they found him guilty.
Although I'm sure that money came at taxpayer expense. Those "detectives" should have been fired. People get fired from other types of jobs for far less serious mistakes all the time.
petrol All of y’all have poor listening skills, the narrator stated that the (ginger bearded guy) already spent 3 years in jail for a previous crime he already committed. He even edited his video to state it was 2 years not 3. So the narrator was showing emphasis on his behavior of innocence because he was adamant about “not going back” because he didn’t do anything. Showing that his behavior was warranted. Nothing over the top for the falsely accused. Open your ears
It may seem like a lot of money, but as someone who spent a little while interested in things like the Innocence Project and seeing things like this, it’s really not. While it’s good that there is financial compensation for these poor souls, there is so much that the money doesn’t cover, especially the lost years of their lives and their public reputations. Even if you’re proven innocent, there’s a stigma held around you by many of those who knew you were imprisoned
I just looked up the case and the arresting officer has since been promoted to chief and refuses to admit he was wrong in this case. I don’t know if that’s true justice.
To everyone arguing, the white guy with the beard was exonerated in his trial because the witness was caught lying multiple times. The tall black guy was held for a few days and was paid $46K.
@Kevin w Yeah...that still is better imo....it's about principle; you do what you can without harming the innocent.
Two things though: 1.) It never would be so many as a million criminals freed to prevent one innocent's conviction....because way more cases than that have hard evidence (and multiple pieces of it), while almost all false imprisonments come via circumstantial evidence. 2.) Whenever somebody is exonerated despite appearing very likely guilty, there is a proportionally extreme awareness by, and response from the public.....which, supposing the accused actually was guilty, not only provides a decent amount of safety to the public via the attention, but also ensures that he/she will be very easily caught for even the slightest future offense...which almost always happens with a criminal-minded person. (OJ Simpson comes to mind on this one....)
No way that's true JUSTICE. if it wasn't for the other investigator he would be in prison. True justice would of been the 3 investigators lose their jobs, because he would of lost his. and they should of been civilly sued. and put in cuffs. They are liars. and should not be wearing a badge. how many other innocent people are in prison because they were to lazy to do their jobs. they could care less about him. they seen a way to further their career. instead the tax payers paid for their laziness. That would be true JUSTICE. until these dirty cops are personally held accountable. it will continue to happen.
Those officers only got demoted and suspended!! What they did was obstruction of justice and giving false statement. In other countries these cops would of been jailed.
@Cam 46k for 3.5 days in canadian holding facility awaiting bail hearing, all cops demoted and suspended WITHOUT pay.. because thats how we do in canada unlike the US.. 46k for 3 days (because he probably lost his job) is not terrible
@Cam 3 Days not 2 years.... You are confusing him with the other guy they used as an example..... I'm not sure if that guy sued..........I would hope he did, but knowing the Justice system, because he had a prior charge.....they probably used that against him which would be absolutely unconstitutional.
@Phantom a small minuscule charge is usually applied to law enforcement. Worst case scenario is that they get fired and pay a fine. If they actually go inside of a jail or prison they'll be released on behavior after a minimum amount of time served. Unless they murder, they do not get a book thrown at them.
@fireflocs im pretty sure the white guy got in prison for 2 years but that was when he actually did a crime but that clip of him was when he was innocent
That relieved me soooooooo much you can not possibly imagine.
Poor guy was just polite and nice and wanted to do the right thing and help them by giving a statement at the police station and what do we have here?! He goes to jail?!?!Why? I hope he did not have a bad time in jail or detention in the police station. 46 000 $ is a nice sum for 3 days. I would like to trade 3 days for 46 000 $ haha but then again it depends what type of jail they mean. There are different types of detention "blocks" or "places". The police station has one. There is one before trial. There is the real real jail like the movies. I do not believe he got sent there so quickly. He was probably kept at the police station. I really hope. Real jail institutions are rough places.
I’ll let you guys know what I get out of Dakota County in MN. 9 days in jail for two crimes they knew I didn’t commit AND HAD GPS LOCATION FOR MYSELF THE WHOLE TIME. In and out of court, they dropped the case on the first day of TRIAL. Not the preliminary hearings, TRIAL. They pushed and pushed thinking they would get a plea. I didn’t do shit, so I was ready to take it the whole way. Spent TENS OF THOUSANDS on legal defense, the whole fiasco also prevented me from joining the military as they no longer wanted to take me after what they’d heard from the police. Went through MEPS, was about to be sworn in. Had to sit for 4 hours while they opened an investigation into me over some high school (that I never even went to) rumors. At trial, the DA asked the judge to dismiss the case right out of the gate. I’ll have my just desserts, and if I don’t. Well, let’s just say that’ll be a surprise 💯
No, justice would’ve been the police officer doing his job correctly, or getting thrown in jail for prosecuting the wrong individual. Leave this poor guy alone.
@fireflocs he wasn't falsely imprisoned for 2 years but for the crime he committed when he was in his early 20's. Did you watch the video closely enough?
@Ruroo C Yep. So many people have super confidence in their opinions, but really don't listen to what is happening. Explains a lot of what we see in the world, doesn't it.
100k a day for blatant wrongful imprisonment is fair imo. Like the 6'3" black guy they arrested cause the little white guy got away. Thats just nonsense
Yeah I was gassed up when the ending happened. I still feel bad for those people that aren’t so lucky who get pinned for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or just accused and convicted
YES! This is exactly what I came here to say. This is one way to get the police under control. If they are held responsible for their malfeasance, their behavior will improve.
@AupriProductions It's not that there is some policy in place that requires the state to pay you some small amount if you are falsely imprisoned. You are making that sound like something it's not.
Assuming you are suing the state:
You take them to court in a civil suit and if you win the case, they are required to pay the amount as ordered through due process. Failure to pay the can result in the state paying post-justice interest on top of the amount owed. As the creditor the the debt, you can also put in an order for the court to seize property from the debtor (the State) for non payment.
You can also order an examination hearing which will required the state to prove why they are unable to pay the owed amount by allowing the court to go through all of their assets and finances in order to determine where the money shall be pulled from in order to pay the debt.
@whatisbestinlife Well yea, because you are not suing the police department, you are suing those who direct them and provide them their budget.
When you sue a government entity, you sue their highest local authority. If it is a city police department, you are suing the city. If it is the County Sheriff's office, you are suing the county. If you are suing highway patrol/state trooper, you are suing the state.
As someone that watches state, county, and local meetings across the US and Canada for a living, I can tell you matter of factly that yes, a lot of Police Departments DO lose funding when things like this happen simply because money is not infinite and it must come from somewhere.
Many of these Cities run their budgets very tight and they don't just have 50k to shell out to people because they were wronged by the police. Now, the department wont typically lose out on the entire expense, but they will definitely see a dip in their budget for it. And yes, I watch all of the budget hearings for work, too and they do discuss these things in detail in their budgets.
He should've been paid more, but we gotta start somewhere. I understand mistakes will happen, but this is just one of those things that CANNOT happen, and if it does, it needs to be severely, SEVERELY, punished. You don't just fuck around with lives like that.
The POLICE department that made the arrest should pay. The problem is we, the tax payers, are the ones who end up having to shell out for their errors.
@whatisbestinlife No, it would not cure corruption. It would punish a whole department for one person's actions, which is not fair. Kind of like how Minneapolis will be rebuilt and repaved with tax payer money of people who didnt riot or damage any property. Not like our taxes go toward anything useful anyways, look into when federal income taxes were implemented. Ill give you a clue, it was to hell a depressed economy go to world war.
@DJScuff edJays It's absolutely fair when the police department themselves refuses to hold their own accountable. Not just refusing to hold them accountable, but actively blocking accountability and actively protecting abusers and murderers in uniform.
Police are given an extraordinary amount of privileges to infringe upon the rights, health and even lives of others. And they are given the benefit of the doubt when doing so, in spite of the reams of evidence of them systemically abusing these privileges.
Police MUST be held to the strictest and highest standards of total transparency and accountability. And that includes holding accountable and punishing all those who protect the evil-doers in their own ranks.
Since police have proven beyond a shadow of any doubt that they will choose to hide and protect and enable the evil, immoral and illegal in their own ranks they must then have the necessary accountability forced upon them.
@whatisbestinlife Internal Affairs does hold officers accountable in a lot of counties, cities and states in the nation. You are arguing as if all cops are dirty, or even as if most cops are dirty nationwide. Metropolitan areas have historically had the most police corruption and coverups, and all of those dirty cops served under the supervision and authority of a higher ranking dirty official. It's easy to throw a few badges under the bus for the big fish, but then you dont really see any change. It's also not a broad band aid fix, what might work in NY wont work exactly the same in any other city so it will have to be a department by department evaluation and action. They are not given privileges to infringe rights, they are given tools to enforce the law and those tools get abused sometimes. It's also about the hiring standard, won't find many dedicated police officers if you cant or wont pay them well.
@DJScuff edJays You can have one cop do a bad thing and nine other cops not do that bad thing but not hold him accountable.
That's not 1 bad cop and 9 good cops. That's 10 bad cops. They are betraying the trust they have been given.
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Cops are often overpayed. They're often fed overtime hours to do hours where they stand around doing nothing. It's part of the corruption.
Cop budgets are bloated beyond any reason and morality. They take up vast amounts of city budgets while other programs get cut. Then cops are given the responsibility to respond to situations they shouldn't be to justify it. There are many, many situations our poorly trained and armed and low-educated police forces should not be responding to. Yet they do to justify their bloated budgets.
US cops have laughably low bar for entry, and scant training. Many other nations (whose cops kill vastly less people) actually require years of schooling and training specific to policing. US requires a few weeks. They actually often don't want higher educated and more intelligent people. They want officers with lower education and who don't question anything.
Cops do not deserve the bloated salaries they often get, along with the corrupt overtime hustles.
@whatisbestinlife I wouldnt call $45k a year overpaid... That's like teachers salary but instead of students you are the one who shows up to crime scenes. You say the 9 others are bad, but what do you expect them to do? They are not the district attorney, who usually decides when to or not to prosecute. Sure other countries dont have cops kill as much people, but they dont have the crime rates we have. Particularly violent crime rates, which is a product of low education and crime culture. What calls should police no longer take?
@-l No Nonsense l-...well the white guy was in a situation where the WITNESS swore he did it. The other case we're the police locked up a random BLK guy w absolutely no evidence. As long as cops had no reason to know the victim / witness was lying.
@-l No Nonsense l- Highly doubt it. Trump nor most judges give a damn about right and wrong UNLESS it affects them staying in power or their favorite daughter or something similar. Thanks goodness for THAT judge, a lot of judges take cops side as law. That bearded guy DEFINITELY would win an award from Candy. He should definitely sue Candy for all her pole money.
I expect the 9 others to do their jobs and live up to the privileges and trust given them, which is to hold criminals accountable including their own. More importantly, their own. The very act of you posing this question should stop you in your tracks. You are justifying police departments actively protecting and enabling murder.
@whatisbestinlife Most of the time, even when there is outrage or riots, the killing is still justified or it's not actually murder. Like Brionna Taylor, that wasnt the cops fault. Maybe a swat team officer or a chief makes 6 figures, but your patrol cop does not make 6 figures or anywhere close. Tell me, do you feel like the police are your enemy?
@whatisbestinlife by wanton are you referring to the charge brought on the officer? Because that was for shots that went through the wall into the other apartment, not for any that hit Taylor. She was not asleep during that shootout, contrary to popular belief. Her name was on the warrant, she was not an innocent bystander. What happened to her was sad and a tragedy, especially when it wasnt her fault that her boyfriend decided to shoot at the police who identified themselves as police very loudly and clearly. "Cops are enemies of justice if they choose to be" Criminals are enemies of justice, some criminals become cops and some cops become criminals. At the end of the day, you cant expect to just say "all cops are bad" because they are individual human beings behind that badge, each with their own personality and past and intelligence level. To do what you are doing here is an injustice to those who have dealt with corruption etc, because you arent using any forms of examples or causes of issues or even a resolution, you are just complaining. Complaining is a part of being complacent, its an excuse to not look into how to solve the issue yourself or how others (those in power of the individual police departments) could help. "more training" doesnt cut it, specify training in what and how that can be safely implemented. Instead here we are, you calling my words bullshit because i dont hate all cops.
@whatisbestinlife "them" you want to group all police into one specific cookie cutter mold of the boogeyman, when reality does not match that at all. Indoctrination isnt something i would bring up, since the news shines a bright light on very small events to stir up unrest and drive a political narrative. Police do not make bank, just google police salaries for a patrol officer. Look up how grossly underpaid correctional officers are. Police are NOT trained at all to kill first. You are just spewing easily disprovable nonsense at this point.
@DJScuff edJays Mate, you've lost touch with your own humanity to defend murderers. I know the charges against the cop and they are bullshit. He should be up on manslaughter charges at the minimum.
There are endless examples of cops abusing their authority, abusing people and outright unjustly killing them. Endless examples.
@DJScuff edJays I know you won't bring it up, because it illustrates how grotesquely corrupted and immoral police training in the US has become. You are so weirdly intent on protecting murderers because they wear uniforms you attempt to deflect away from how they are systematically indoctrinated to become callous towards and encouraged towards killing.
Again, it should be a national scandal that any police department ever hired that unhinged lunatic to train it's officers, much less multiple departments along with a hordes of cops attending his cultish seminars.
And you attempt to deflect away and hide all of it. That's how corrupted the knee-jerk defense of violent US cops have become.
@petrol It's too much for 3.5 days. Even in a workers inconvenience his job could be restored. His life had to spiral fast if 46k covers a 3 day imprisonment.
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I am so so SO glad to hear that ending. That detective was out to RUIN this man's life. Locked away in prison for years, relationships ruined, damaged, job lost, goals left behind, ambitions spoiled, reputation tarnished. Truly fucking evil despicable filthy piece of shit. Yes I am livid, at how a man with the power to ruin another mans life willingly went full throttle to try to accomplish that.
for sure. i just hope the dude didn't suffer too much in jail, which would turn this kind of into a positive thing. i just really wonder what's up with the detective. if evidence wasn't strong combined with the demeanor of the suspect, why is he acting so sure of himself? either he's a moron that thinks he's got some kind of amazing super power senses or he has some kind of prejudice against the poor guy. mistakes can happen but that wa disturbing to watch.
I've spent three days in jail because " i got a mouth" charged with a bunch of shit then released and the cop told me he did it just to teach me a lesson and he knew I didn't do it. All I did was deny the charges and that was me "being disrespectful".
@Cam lol this is why guys have to edit their posts and write "for those who don't watch the video and comment beforehand" because of people like this who somehow get 855 votes for talking out their buttocks <3
LOL... ouch... this is why it should something like... 15$ a hour for every hour that a wrongfully held or falsely accused person is held. Then there would be pressure to get things done right. To pay attention to details... to gather evidence and ascertain facts... three days would only turn out to be a 1080$ in this case... but the professional conduct and procedures would cause better investigations and thorough fast determinations of facts.
@petrol Im not trying to say anything, but its probably an issue on the race of the person, "2 white officers arrect a big black buy for robbery" The fact that the profile was to be a small black male and the arrested was the rather, it would literally be the a BIG disaster
@Zoltan Barti I think you and I are the only two that understood this video. Bearded guy previously served 2 years for a robbery he actually did commit which is why he could have gotten so much time for this false arrest. If found guilty of the fake crime his sentence would have been harsher for a repeat offender. Thanks! I thought I was going crazy and hearing things because I clearly heard the narrator say what you said.
@Mikel Hawk and he’s a detective now and a director of the Police association. That shitty cop even wrote these words: “More disturbing, however, is a public perception that is quite the opposite. The public generally be- lieves that police are well-equipped and more-than- able to keep up with workloads. This is often perpetu- ated by mainstream media, which generally reports with a left-wing, anti-police bias.” The cheek. Not surprising in the least
@petrol justin, which is white guy, wasn't in jail for 2 years--he was going to be in jail for those years but he was found innocent beyond all reason. maybe I'm getting my information wrong but I don't remember hearing him being in jail for 2 years.
The difference between the RCMP and many US cops is there is stringent personality testing and requirements to become one. Many have post secondary. It is considered a good job, pays well and there is constant training in regards to protocol, law, de-escalation etc. When I was younger, I gave the cops way more problems than they gave me. Out of dozens of interactions with them they always handled themselves calmly and professionally. I was a bit of a twat though. This is why that outcome occurred. Cops that don't meet these high expectations are punished.
@Operator Jewski No, I just called them white guy or black guy b/c too lazy to get their names. The guy who did more time and didn't get no compensation was in the U.S. The guy who spent like 3 days or less in jail and received all those racks was in Canada. Goes to show how broken the justice system is in the U.S.
Hate to tell you the implications of being arrested, charged with a crime and imprisoned for any period of time has much further reaching life altering consequences. Could lose your job, and be branded a criminal in the court of public opinion. Please also take into account that this Police Offer shows a continuous pattern of ILLEGAL behavior that cost one man 2 YEARS. So spare me that $46k is somehow proper compensation. The Police Officer Should have been Fired and Charged with False Imprisonment and easily convicted.
I'm Canadian. The fact like cops like that are on the job in my country is deeply troubling to me. I always knew we weren't exempt but damn... At least they got some repercussions for their absolute negligent treatment of that case and the wrongfully accused person received some compensation. I find it horrifying that incompetent cops like that are on the job. It NEEDS to change.
$46,000 is so reasonable. In the US lawyers go for "mental anguish" & millions. It always backfires by making law enforcement belligerent & even worse at their jobs. Because most people can't wrap their head around a million. $46,000? Instantly understandable. Good cops don't want time & money wasted
@fireflocs that is horrible. I wonder if they vacated the conviction? Or just let him out. Because a 2-time felon has very little chance at getting real jobs or even a place to live.
@AupriProductions They should pay whatever wages the person lost, or if not employed then minimum wage for the whole time - plus enough to put down on first/last month's rent & deposit, if they lost their car then help them replace it. I mean DUH
Your comment is missing verbs which is likely the reason why it seemed unclear for the readers. "Bad cops WERE punished and the innocent dude WAS paid ..." Without this verb it sounds like he HAS payed 46 k dollars ... anyways, the magic in languages and grammar...
@Braria It is not the comment that was misunderstood, it was the video. In your rush to impress others you missed the point that 14,000 people didn't miss. Congratulations.
Idk about true justice because the money came from taxpayers and not the guilty cops. And I dont think the punishment for the cops fits their crime. They stole 3 days of an innocent mans life, lied to him and tried their damnedest to make him think and feel like he was a criminal. All that happened to them was basically an unpaid vacation and a demotion? With time, the money lost and the rank lost can be regained but he will never get rhose 3 days back and god forbid it went on his record. At the end of the day justice was served sure, but idk about TRUE justice. If it were truly just he wouldve never been put thru that in the first place
This in a very sad case study in how disinformation car spread. Look at yourselves, people. The amount of people who STILL aren't reading comments and watching the end of the video to find out that the guy got 46k for 3.5 days and not 2 years is very depressing. All you had to do was watch the video you commented on or read the comments that came before yours!
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@awesomeferret If I actually cared about this story I would have watched the video until the end and read the comments as well.... however, I simply do not care. But thanks for the correction either way, bud👍 No worries about the spread of disinformation on my behalf... I won't repeat something if I don't know what I'm talking about.
@Cam yeah I think it’s unfair to give a certain amount if he wasn’t behind bars he could’ve potentially made millions more you never know. Maybe if he wasn’t in prison he would’ve gotten himself a high paying job. Anything could’ve been possible
@Charmingly Cynical why are there so many just flat out wrong comments in this thread? It was Canada. He got 46k for being incarcerated for 3 days. One guy is deep in the comments complaining about spoilers? Fuck
This is a great example of how us prison inmates are just cash cows & everyone involved in making sure people doing time benefit from the conviction. The one's that don't benefit are the victim, the convicted, and our communities take a big hit. This does need to change, no sentence say reform. It screams your punishment fatens my wallet, but we tell you we're teaching you a lesson in a way that you'll return to us conviction after conviction.
@Cam omg, you made 1k idiots believe he served 2 years when he was only held for 3 days and paid $46k!! DUDE I WANNA BE WRONGLY DETAINED FOR 3 DAYS AND PAID $46K!! EASY CASH DOG!!!
No justice was done. The taxpayer paid. Tell me any other circumstance where a completely innocent party pays for the misdeeds of another? If i rear end a guy on the road, my neighbor doesn't pay. But cops get an out. It is such bullshit.
@whatisbestinlife best analysis. Those who speak of the injustice of the Us justice system should focus on how and where the money goes.... that trail always leads you to some sort of solution that actually makes a difference. Just looking at sentencing isn’t an answer; the problem is that the multi-pronged problem isn’t looked at (or perhaps it is but seemingly isn’t currently) as such; it is being oversimplified and categorized as something it isn’t. Money rules the world. We used to know this in America- in the 90s at least (shout out to C.R.E.A.M. 😁)
Oh man I would GLADLY sit in jail for 3 and 1/2 MONTHS for 46k. Lol. I wish I would falsely accused. 3 days in jail for 50 thousand dollars... that's awesome.
@petrol If you think it took zero effort and no extra time to pursue the 46k in punitive damages then you're in for a shock about just how expensive and long the legal process is. It's not 46k for 3.5 days... it's more like 46k for 3.5 days wrongly incarcerated +3.5 YEARS in court.
@Travis Ryno I don't get how you can function on so few brain cells, the legal process to get that 46k most likely took years and lots of upfront money. I'd say 46k was a grossly insultingly small amount.
46k is still very less, I guess it was 2003 so it was ok. But the cops should have been fired, this British reject in Canada, should definitely be fired. Outta here with that BS investigation.
The beard guy spent 2 years in jail for a crime he DID commit and the footage was of him being falsely accused but not jailed. He was so afraid and angry because he had been there before.
@Cam ummm hear me out you guys. Did anywhere or anyone in the video say that he spent two years in jail for this current offense? Because the way I see it, the only mention of “2 years in county” comes right after the narrator saying he had previously served time. The “two years in county” is also preceded by an asterisk. A common way to insert a revised statement. So maybe the two years is in reference to his prior time. Not time served relating to this incident. Am I wrong, did I miss something? Or has somehow the entire comment section missed this ??
I was thinking the same thing man. 46k might not seem like a lot but wrongs were righted and it wasn't too severe in either direction. That shit never happens in the US.
$15k/day ($625/hr) sounds good I might want to stay for longer at that rate. Especially if the food is good and I have a cell to myself. Being sarcastic but kinda not... ;)
The guy who spent 2 years in jail WAS guilty! Then he was later accused of a second crime, that he didn't commit, and was almost wrongly imprisoned. Did we watch the same video?
From what I have read here. For $46K for 3.5 days in Jail I would sit in jail happily even if I have done no crime but Once a criminal record gets stained on your life or documents its difficult to get a dream jobs. For spending on life and family 46K is nothing if you don't have job. So no sitting jail is not good if you are innocent.
@C J the issue you people don't understand is that the guy spent 2 years in jail for a crime he did do and the interview in the video is of a different crime that he didn't commit and didn't go to jail for
This is the least, $46,000 and free parking and free from traffic/parking tickets for LIFE!! NOW THATS A GOOD DEAL 😎😎😎I understand these police depts need the tax money to keep real criminals off the Street, só that is what I would ask for
@David T Speak for yourself bro. I've been to jail for something dumb, only had to spend 2 days and I was free to go and I would definitely do that again for 46 grand lol.
@petrol that's how im hoping my case case i was wrongfully arrested for something I did not do. Cops arrested me on my lunch break after pour a driveway for the company i own. I was held for 30 hours. I had to replace that job on my own dime. Cost me $6000 and hurt my business.
Next to 3 days in jail, Michael was also forced to comply with a very restrictive bail regime for 9 months before the prosecution dropped his charges!!!
Also bear in mind that most employment contracts require you to notify your employer when you get charged with a criminal offence so they can fire you immediately...
Not enough if you ask me. That's a years wage for some. He lost 2 years of wages, plus all the court costs. The emotion and psychological distress etc.
Policy Enforcers need to have Personal Liability Insurance and Body Cams so, THEY are held PERSONALLY and FINANCIALLY responsible not the City with our Tax Dollars.
I'm Illinois the DOC and county jails get an average of over $100 a day per inmate so anything short of 36k a year and the facility still profited off of incarcerating the innocent.
Shit dude plays it cool and ends up scoring 46k for 3 days work. Probably did better out of it than the dude that actually robbed the place and got away with It
On the the hand, Japan has a ludicrously high conviction rate because they knowingly jail innocent people to keep their prosecution looking like Superstars.
@Chance No, Corey. They have a 99% conviction rate because they don't prosecute unless they have an airtight case. Don't repeat nonsense you see on the internet, you embarrass yourself.
@TheJapanChannelDcom the nonsense on the internet is your propaganda. It's absolute fact Shouji Sakurai was innocent and he wasn't the only one. It's public knowledge how intense their interrogation tactics are and their cases are "airtight" because they force confessions. You can't lose a trial you never go to because you mentally tortured an innocent person into confessing. Go ahead and post the numbers about how many cases end in confession. It's not feasible their investigation leads them to the right person to interrogate 99% of the time. Don't deny this like Japan denies What really happened in Nanjing.
20:28"The interrogator and three other detectives were demoted." 😂 😂 😂 I do not believe that. I believe everything up to that point, including the cash settlement award, but not the discipline for the COPS. That just doesn't ever happen, in either the US or Canada.
@K M 46k for THREE DAYS is more than adequate. That's like an entire yearly salary, and probably tax free. The issue that needs to be addressed is people who end up getting locked up for years and only get pitiful compensation when they're released.
Funny how you celebrate the black guy getting off and paid but say nothing about the injustice the white man had to go through for two years LOL says a lot about what and who u are 💯 preach on Tyrone
@fireflocs The man who stayed in prison for 3 days and recieved compensation lived in Hamilton, Ontario, a stark difference between the justice system in America. Depends on the state though.
@Doc Hollywood why does it matter? You're paying taxes either way and the guy who got 46k was Canadian. If you're not Canadian then don't worry about it lol
@Cam The guy who 46k only spent 3 days in jail. And the other guy spent 2 years in jail IN THE PAST FOR ANOTHER CRIME. He didn't do any time for what he was interrogated for.
@fireflocs Did you even watch the video? I cant believe you got 1.9k likes, it literally says in the video "the girl was caught lying" and that he "was proven innocent beyond all reasonable doubt." wtf? i cant believe everyone thinks he did time..
@petrol Bro what? In the video he literally says "the girl was caught lying IN COURT" and that he "WAS PROVEN INNOCENT BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT" He served 2 years IN THE PAST, for ANOTHER CRIME. Jesus.
What needs to happen is the cops who put people in jail without justification are put in jail. Not “demoted and suspended without pay.” Boo hoo. You PUT AN INNOCENT MAN IN JAIL.” SOMEONE JN
@Ash B And that points out it wasn't just the three days, restrictive bail for 9 months before they dropped charges. Suddenly the award seems way too little (especially with the 8 year delay!)
@John Three16 I can’t agree that 6 days is adequate in this case. I think it needs to be at least one month if they were just incompetent, a year or more if it’s clear they knew he was innocent.
Hahahahaha. The trauma he got from being wrongly accused worth the 46,000 dollars? Come on man. Those days that he was on jail, poor guy must be thinking he'll be punish for something he didnt do. Suspension is not even enough. Those investigator should be fire.
@João Peixoto Joãozinho, I referred to "mistakes", in plural, so I am also speaking for other cases similar to this one. But yeah, thanks for not thinking like me, next time stay on your lane espertalhão.
Black guy and White guy both innocent. Black guy spends 3 days in jail (eventually paid $46,000 for it), White guy spends 2 years in jail and gets nothing...
Comments: "oh that poor black guy, i'm so glad he got justice finally" (again, 3 days later, paid $15,000 per day in jail)
@Mikel Hawk Reputation damage should really also include some associated lost prospective wages. He could very easily run into situations applying for or jobs or loans where he has to divulge being accused of a serious crime, and especially as a person of color he could even face situations where implicit racism makes an interviewer or loan officer decide to play it safe and reject him despite the settlement in his favor. Same thing could well happen with a rental application, a condo board.
TBH I think race also should factor in to the compensation for being falsely accused, because enough people have enough racist biases to make it reasonably likely it'll hurt the victim's income or quality of life later.
It's amazing how many people in this thread can't read, are incapable of listening, can't seemingly concentrate on a paltry 20 minute video and/or decide to post a comment without even bothering to watch the video at all.
@Bernard Silver Yeah 8 years to rectify that situation is ridiculous. I feel bad for the guy, I hope he's managed to move on from it without too much emotional/psychological damage.
@whatisbestinlife the problem with taking victim compensation out of a specific police departments budget is that it incentivises their colleagues and bosses to cover up for them to avoid losing that money.
Sadly he got the shame to go with it. Remember that one time you got stripped of your freedom, clothes, thrown in jail, lost your job and your dignity,.. good times! oh yeah here's a couple bucks for your trouble and all the psychological issues you'll have in the future
@AupriProductions whats more upsetting is how prosecutors often have evidence that would show the innocents but ignore it going on their hunch that the person is guilty and then they never want to admit to being wrong because that would miss up their conviction record.
This cop and all those involved should have been fired, sued personally and charged with kidnapping and rights violations (whatever they have in crappy Canada).
This is why I hate this idea that if you accuse someone of something, and they act defensively, that it's indicative that they're guilty. If you were accused of something you didn't do, you're telling me you would be fucking calm?
@jose ppi Introverts are not shy, they are like viewers with a low sense of presence but will inevitably step forward when needed, especially when it comes to their own lives...
@AGeneric_ _Gamer That's like saying "I'm a psychopath, so I know everything about psychopaths". Introversion is a spectrum but shyness is not necessarily a trait of an introvert but rather preferring to be alone. Introversion is a matter of projection of personality, extroverts push their personality out and they're the center of attention. Introverts don't put them out
@AGeneric_ _Gamer yeah but you dont speak for all introverts, you can be an introvert who happens to have no self confidence like yourself, or you can be confident and simply chose to observe. Just because you belong to group X and have a certain trait doesn't mean all of group X shares said trait bruh
@jose ppi This is the power of controlled anger. Trust me fellow introvert, anger is a useful feeling if used right. You can transform it into extreme determination and thus improve performance. or turn it into confidence. I think one of introvert's main weaknesses is not knowing how to use anger. I used to either suppress it entirely or lose it in blind rage.
@AGeneric_ _Gamer well you just have to have a little confidence, so what if they ignore me because my voice is too low?? I'll keep repeating the same line over and over again until they hear me and give me an "you're annonying" look 😂
@AGeneric_ _Gamer and I think you should help yourself more, what if one of your classmates slanders you for stealing their school money and you just keep quiet?? this happened in the real world and my own experience lol i'm usually quiet and don't like trouble immediately grab a broom at the back of the class and beat up those who slander me and spread rumors until they cry, we ended up being detained in the principal's office, the principal ordered me to call my parents, I called and complained about what happened, then I told my parents to dress as nice and expensive as possible, wear suits and dresses, wear gold rings, gold necklaces and gold bracelets, drive our expensive car to school, just to show I'm from a rich family. well that was one of my rather bold, naive, and arrogant experiences that i remember to this day. it's just a relief, rather than me just being silent.
@CommanderGuy Say nothing if your guilty right? One knows when one is guilty not everyone lacks discernment knows when a person is lying. "Cock Roach Motel" where they can check in- but can't check out including the two legged kind. Peace & Blessings
truth is.............. innocent people ~DO~ say they are "guilty" ...when asked by cops PROBLEM IS..... they are not "GUILTY" about the things the COPS are accusing them of ...that's what happened to ME. .... I'm innocent, but once you admit ANY form of guilt .... you are SLAMMED with everything........ when you were NEVER Truly Guilty ...at all. (if cops would just be HONEST and straight with innocent people... innocents would not wind up punished, but they treat it like a game) INNOCENT truly totally innocent people.......... are too damn straight & trusting (assuming the police officer is doing the "Right" thing) my behavior definitely fell under the "Atypical" variety .... I did Not fit any common mould. (so was unjustly handled) My motivations were atypical / and unlike others of the "type" they usually handled.
@The Devil Strigoi *,...,* The Salem Witch Trials and the religious hysteria surrounding dark magics is where that came from. People like to think of themselves as rational or they think with logic and reason, but we humans are susceptible to our biases and emotions more than we like to admit.
I’m utterly disgusted at the police’s willingness to destroy an innocent man. Here are cases where the suspects can easily be ruled out and the officers have no interest or care in doing so. This is as evil as it comes. The violation of trust is horrible. Truly horrible.
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Andreas Hillyer2022-03-21 11:58:54 (edited 2022-03-21 12:17:45 )
so what I don't get is does it make you look more guilty /ruin your case /get your wrongfully imprisoned by answering questions short, to the point ,consise because you know you did nothing wrong so why not answer. Or to say nothing because you know you did nothing wrong and know that it will be used against you when the time comes and to get an attorney. or to remain calm like the first guy who was super calm and confident because on his case "getting a confession void of evidence somehow is great for a detectives career? and not illegal ? and the detective " has nothing to gain from looking at evidence? wtf like wtf acftually did i just hear ?
Really not a fan of that whole "we already know you did it" crap in interrogation. Things like that can intimidate innocent people into false confessions in order to receive a lesser charge/sentence. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure I read an article that had details from multiple cases of exactly that. If the goal is a justice system that treats suspects as innocent until proven guilty, that should extend to law enforcement interrogation.
The best interrogation I've ever seen is un the movie 4 Brothers. Just shows detectives want to close a case and are shady as fuck... and I like the cops
@rafer Jefferson iii Yes, but no detective gets rewarded for bringing in an innocent suspect and confirming that they’re innocent. The goal is to get convictions, and if someone is rewarded for convicting people they’re going to try to convict people
@rafer Jefferson iii Were you born last night? Or do you really not keep up with what happens in the justice system? Innocents get jailed A LOT. Some even earning huge payouts because of the fact.
@rafer Jefferson iii millions throughout history have been convicted without evidence, or with fabricated evidence and false testimony, or given absurd charges and sentencing that greatly exaggerates the crime in question. It's particularly easy to do to the poor.
@M J generally, if you’re not an asshole with no previous criminal record, and you don’t hang around with criminals, your chances of being wrongfully convicted are about nil. If you are a criminal or hang around with criminals, chances are much higher. Rogue cops most certainly try to fit people up. You tend to find those who are very skeptical of police are this way because they’re either criminals, or they sympathise with criminals. By and large the police aren’t going round shooting people for fun and fitting people up. Also, a lot of the cases of wrongful conviction are due to a total mistake by police in terms of who they think is guilty. They decide it’s person x
Sebastian B.2021-12-04 16:36:16 (edited 2021-12-04 16:37:45 )
@rafer Jefferson iii Let me guess, suburban college kid? Because boy (or girl, who knows) you have no idea how ugly the justice system really gets. Take it from someone who's been on both sides of that bloody table, some of it borders on psychological torture. (Of course not every detective and interrogator, but a fair share of them). Also, if you are trying to partake in a debate, replying to counter arguments with elementary school level rebuttals isn't the way.
@Sebastian B. I am not in the US so I neither went to an elementary school neither did I go to college. I left school at 16 having started school at 4. I have been arrested twice. 2 of my friends did time inside, both were guilty of what they did. The police with me, each time, treated me fairly and gave me 2nd chances. One was a motoring offence (driving a motorbike drunk on public land - NOT a road so I thought it was ok but apparently not!) and the other time was assault, which was basically a fight but I also had false allegations added into the mix. I am no stranger to any of this. Things may be different in the states but here, if you are respectful towards the police and don’t act out with them, they tend to treat you fairly and the people I know who hate the police are either, ironically, college kids who buy the whole “police brutality” thing last year or otherwise, petty criminals who always crow how the police have it in for them, when the only reason they have issues is due to their actions.
Just as in "the olden days" where cops woul beat a confession out of a suspect (have no doubt that still happens at times in some countries) which can easily lead to a false confession, in the same way that torture to extract infomation has proven to not be very useful.
@rafer Jefferson iii It is the same here with the beat cops, but don't presume to know what kind off mindfuckery does or doesn't happen in an interrogation room unless you've been on either end of the table..
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Marcus Fellinger2021-12-08 08:44:18 (edited 2021-12-08 08:46:24 )
i did exactly that at school and got suspended for a week. my choices were: confess something you didn´t even know what it was and face 1 week or face dropping out of this school completely. it´s a no brainer what to take then if you know what type of humans the "accuser" and "investigators" = teachers were. at that point in time i didn´t know what else would follow... like police coming to my home, loss of friendships, loss of teachers trust and they actively seeking to get me out. i dropped out finally and whenever i tried to roll up the case and prove my innocence they said: but you confessed? why should someone confess when he didn´t do it.
i can only imagine how often this happened when police took someone and told them: 10 years jail or 3 years and confess it!
The issue is that as we've seen from this channel, it can be an effective strategy for making sure people who did the crime are put where they belong. But if the false positive rate goes up because of the strategy ie innocent people are put in prison for a crime they didn't commit, it's not really worth it. It shouldn't work for people who didn't do it. If you tell them you have video it should let an innocent person know they have nothing to worry about. The video can't show them doing the crime. But this could backfire, though it's not likely. Micheal acted exactly as he should have acted. The other guy as well. Though, if the Making A Murderer Case is to be believed, Brendan Dassey was forced into a false confession when he may not have committed the murder. So feeble minded people could be gaslit into believing confession is the only way out of conviction. I'm torn on this method
@Dies Irae well, if they are seen to be misleading then that falls apart. And you can't apply that to all cops because many want the right person to go to prison. Your statement can't be proven and is only likely for some subset of cops. Knowing how this case ended, few cops would take the risk. The case still has to go to trial where the detectives work will be on trial.
@Yours Truly It is true that it can and does work, but the stated ideals of our justice system is that it is better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent man to be falsely imprisoned. So, while it is effective, the same effect could be achieved by simply calling out inconsistencies in their story, revealing facts about the case that show that law enforcement know what's up, and god knows how many other ways. All that matters is that the suspect knows that their lies aren't being believed. That can be accomplished without directly calling them a liar or saying "we know you did it". What's more, it has been shown by studying the success rate of various interrogation methods that the confrontational approach is WAY more likely to make someone clam up than it is to elicit a confession. The best approach is through establishing report, creating a (moderately) calm atmosphere, and by playing subtle mind games with the suspect to lower their guard.
@Yours Truly nice try. except, no one is saying ALL cops are like that. I know myself, I take a nuanced view on it. There are lots of good cops out there doing things the right way for the right reasons. However there are also a lot of bad cops out there looking to close the case quickly or they just think they know they're right and try to build a case around the conclusion they've already arrived at. So tell me, how exactly is that a black and white world view?
You're making a false equivalence from a position of complete ignorance.
@rafer Jefferson iii nothing you said changes the fact that there are people who are wrongfully convicted without any evidence because the cop lied to them and coerced them into a confession to benefit himself
@Crazy Carl Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't understand the people that confess out of fear. Then again, I'm also a former military cop, so I guess I wouldn't really be the type... But some people are straight up terrified of law enforcement, because all they ever hear is the bad shit. A cop that does their job well almost never makes the news.
@Your Auntie’s Little Secret ah, I see, so you’re sourcing your ideas from documentaries - specially selected stories from people who think like you, to support your own worldview.
@Your Auntie’s Little Secret I finished school. School ran till 16. I then did 2 degrees as an adult. On another point, why are you straying from the subject to ad hom? Anyone might think you’ve got nothing to add and are instead seeking other measures.
they did not treat that first guy fairly at all. you should never be that forceful and upfront like that from the jump, saying that “we already know you’re guilty so we just wanna see what kinda person you are” when you have legitimately no evidence that he was the suspect. the description didn’t match, you lied about the fucking surveillance cameras—there are just so many wrong things with that interview, and i’m so glad that the ‘investigator’ got what he deserved, as well as the innocent guy.
JT1989 u may slip up. U can misremember due to the pressure, or just because ur memory is hazy. The police could poise questions meant to have u answer a certain way.
@JT1989 Go watch 'dont talk to the police' by regent law university, it will help you understand why even if your innocent and tell the truth why you shouldn't talk to the police.
@The Leopard I ant really be bothered 😂 I take the point that if there's is a copper trying to make you guilty regardless then yeh, don't talk without a lawyer. But if you have someone reasonable, who wants to discover the truth, then you will be ok talking as long as you tell the truth
@JT1989 Because you'll be able to get your story straight with the lawyer before talking to the police so you DONT slip up. When you're getting interrogated they aren't trying to help you, they're trying to get you convicted. This video is proof of this. They told the truth but were still seen to be guilty.
Facts. I found out the hard way that don’t even be a victim without a lawyer. Was assaulted by this man years ago when I was a student and the cops said “why would a wealthy white man assault a student?” They then tried to make me confess that I was lying and saying “no one will ever know.” I refused to make the false confession and they had me come make a statement and read me my rights. I got a lawyer and the whole case went away, even the assault case against the guy. He is free to do it to others. I almost went to prison for being the victim.
@JT1989 lol why do you think innocent people get thrown into jail then? you have a lawyer, you diminish the probabilty of getting falsely accused. you don't, you have very good chances of messing shit up like the examples the other commentators already given. If you still think, you'll be ok without a lawyer then it's you and good luck. but it's a prosecutor's job to prove you are guilty whether they think your are guilty or not. therefore, it's not recommended by professionals, at any point after an accusation to represent yourself, guilty or not. "truth" is not as black and white as you are thinking when laws involved.
@Sikder Raish Mahmud obviously I believe that if you are going on trial you need a lawyer, what I am saying is, that if you get wrongfully arrested for a crime you didn't commit, talking to an honest police officer isn't going to get you in any trouble as long as you just tell the truth. If your innocent then your story is going to be the same whether you have a lawyer or not. I'm not sure what you could say that could incriminate you that wasn't a lie?
The detective claimed he had the footage of this guy committing the crime......why enlist a confession then if the officers motives where noble? The detective is POS only concerned with his career advancement at the expense of an innocent individual.
@Andrew Leighton officers use the technique of claiming they have damning evidence to get a reaction from the suspect. The fact that he was happy they had footage would be used as evidence for him that he is innocent. I admit the officer was not a good one but the guy was honest and was rightly found as innocent. He didn't incriminate himself
@JT1989 he didn't incriminate himself but udk how many ppl who are innocent are actually still called out as "guilty" til this day n still yet to be proven innocent. did u even watch the video "don't talk to the police"?? it's obvious u didn't n it literally answers n debunks everything you've said. besides, reminder that interrogators get more money the longer they interrogate, whereas the suspects gain nothing n is instead wasting more time (which in turns psychologically makes them more tense/anxious to end it quicker after being interrogated for hours straight). and the video that everybody has already pointed to u literally shows how despite u being innocent n talking about facts throughout the interrogation n not slipping up at all, u can still get arrested.
besides, the talking to the police would never EVER help u. the most it could do is just lesson ur sentence. u have the right to silence, use it. don't be extra
@Gunther Hermann He didn't even watch this video here. It's clearly stated at 6:55 that the guy was wrongfully imprisonned for 2 years after saying the truth to the "honest police officer". Better be safe than sorry.
JT1989 it’s obvious now that you are a cop or detective somewhere with your line of thinking. The guy did NOT match the description of the suspect even as early as the initial calls went out. However, our trusted Law Enforcement entity decided to interrupt this innocent man’s life for that window of time. Forget about the $46,000 settlement as this would not be needed if the goddamn so called trained Law Enforcement entity would do their job in a diligent manner. Call it out for what is and that is Law Enforcement Entities makes more mistakes than the public will ever know. Mistakes that takes and changes lives.
@JT1989 Just watch the video instead of continuing arguing. Your questions would have been answered by now. One simple reason to not talk is everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you in a court of law. Nothing you say will be used FOR you. There is no reason to talk to police at all.
no. if you are innocent, you should profess it. i have been accused 3 times for things i havent done. 2 times, i was able to be let go because the cops were not dumb enough to book me after i explained what happened. sadly the third time, the cop was just too stupid even after watching the video of me being innocent, booked me and i was held until bailed out. but eventually was let go because the accuser was too scared to lie in court so never showed up. being a nonwhite person can really suck.
@Your Name Here my point the whole time has been if your innocent and you tell the truth, how can it be used against you? If they get you to say something you didn't mean to well that is another story. But they can't use truth as evidence against you when you are innocent .... I'm sorry but I don't have 45 minutes to watch a video. I am stating my opinion not trying to argue. I acknowledge that the video could change my view but I don't have time. None of you lot have been able to change my view so I'll leave this conversation here 👍🏼
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Your Name Here2020-10-12 18:52:38 (edited 2020-10-12 18:52:58 )
@JT1989 In more than 25% of dna exonnerations, innocent people made incriminating statements, confessed, or plead guilty. Many studies also estimate 2-3% of people in prison are innocent. That number could be far higher.
Either way, why would an innocent person plead guilty or confess to a crime they didnt commit? Its as if police are just your friends who want nothing other than the truth and to help you out.
If you feel fine talking to police if youre ever a suspect for a serious crime go for it! And goodluck!
@Your Name Here yes, but part of my point is that if you tell the truth you should be fine.... And by telling the truth I don't mean confessing or pleading guilty to a crime you didn't commit....
@JT1989 "if you tell the truth you should be fine" - in an ideal world, sure. But the world we live in is far from ideal. It isn't reasonable or even rational for you to be holding on to this position. You will never be able to make accurate predictions regarding the outcomes of real-world events by assuming them to comport to ideal standards. In doing so, you substantially increase the likelihood of making poor decisions. And in this context, poor decisions could very well lead to an indefinite loss of your freedoms.
@Not A Strange Person I've been interrogated a bunch of times. I don't remember slipping up when I know they didn't have shit. I got angry as fuck as soon as they thought I knew more than I was telling them. Even when I was guilty I got that way. I don't like to be accused of things I know people don't have any evidence for, so I get mad very easily and go zero to a hundred on them and the issue is usually dropped once I get to where it looks like I might attack you for even saying it. lol The only way I would be calm is if they laid the evidence out in front of me. If they're just arguing back and forth and talking shit like they do have some, I'm not going to bite. I get pissed and go crazy on their ass and that works unless they have something. I don't like the same questions asked over and over again either when I've answered it the first time, so that could make me mad too. I get set off pretty easily in a confrontation like that even when guilty. I do that in most confrontations though with anyone that is accusing me of something or talking shit to me. I go zero to a hundred pretty quickly.
@JT1989 Not in the american system. The American system is generally built on the basis of the right to silence and the presumption of innocence when invoking that right.
In the British system, you would be correct, as negative inferences CAN be made at your refusal to answer questions in a timely manner.
In the British system, it is to your benefit to give as much information as you can as early as you can to plead your innocence because withholding information is seen as acting guilty, in the American system, your standard right is to withhold information as information can always be twisted, but silence cannot.
If you don't like the way the American system is built, that is fine, but your claims are 100% false and the way the American system is built you simply should never speak to police without a lawyer to advise you. Good cop or not.
Also, you talk about good cops are ok, but what happens when this video is handed off to a DA? They get to make their own interpretations. It doesn't matter how good the cop is if you have a crummy DA twisting your words.
@JT1989 Ok but if you want an actual reply, that video is it. If you don't want to watch it, that doesn't make you right. It just makes you both wrong and uninformed.
JT1989 lawyers go to school to realize how to respond to those questions they ask depending on their client. Whether or not you’re innocent is unknown to the Lawyer, they ONLY know they need to ensure you get out to get their job done. So even if they trick/deceive/lie, as long as you get out the lawyer wins. Having that on your side is a lot easier and beneficial than you doing it solo.
@JT1989 I shoukd give you example of the 2nd case in this clip of why he should have a lawyer.
1- He had criminal record, that put him as primary suspect. 2- He inscriminated himself: he stated he did not know the girl then later on told them he knew if her. That is lying to the police 3- He stated 100% he did not go out of the house, now the police just need a witness to disprove that and bam, they can convince the jury.
He had given the police reason to be suspicious of him. If he had a lawyer, hevwould be adviced to state : he have never met the girl. That is it, zip, nothing else. He would be adviced to not say that he 100% had never stepped foot out side the house.
For the 1st case, the lawyer will ask to see the footage, the lawyer will asked to review the police call.
All in all, lawyer, no matter how crappy they are, know about law more than you. They will help you more than yourself
@JT1989 There are many studies showing that under pressure, more people than you would think, will subtly give into intense interrogative pressure. In your mind it can the difference from a hard denial to admitting you are not sure or don't know. Some people crack under pressure and their survival instincts kick in, their only concern becomes getting away from the immediate threat.
@JT1989 Absolutely wrong. There's been numerous occasions where this has been proven wrong. The right to remain silent is there to protect the innocent.
@JT1989 "I don't have 45 minutes to watch a video" --> goes on to reply to all these comments with paragraph after paragraph xD Either this guy was still very young and inexperienced, lives in a different country, or is just trolling everyone here.
@Your Name Here And what's also horrible about that video is that the police guy at the end tries to say "but don't worry guys, I only get guilty people in my interrogation room" - even though videos like this one prove they interrogate innocent people just as often.
Innocent people have gone to prison. That's all you need to know. Get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut. You have the right to remain silent and that's the FIRST STEP when being accused no matter how innocent you are.
As I said, the world is trutly shit. And you should shit on them at all cost. Don't stop fight keep your stamina high and persist and soon you will prove it
@JT1989 Still wrong, literally the best case scenario is that it doesn't help or hurt you at all. Worst case is something gets phrased misleadingly, or someone even just straight up misremembers what you said and it gets used against you.
@JT1989 How you can incriminate yourself? At 16:30 he says "if Im on a video camera" and then stops himself because he realizes how what he is saying can be interpreted. Its easy to misspeak when youre under pressure.
@JT1989 I n a fair world, you are right, it shouldn't....... but sadly in the world we live in, where many Cops are bias, aggressive for raises and better positions, etc, Saying even the most basic info (even while being innocent) can ruin your life....... A quick example, if you tell the Cop that you were on 5th street from 8 to 10 pm shopping, if said crime they are investigating happened in the area, now they will use that in court, proving that you were very capable of committing the crime.......you would also be terrified what some jury members would take as fact vs coincidence....
@Your Name Here that's actually scary. A person in that position will feel so powerless. I think it's very difficult to say "I will not talk until my lawyer is here" when you're innocent.
@JT1989 They'll find something to use. Perception is a powerful tool, they might say you were "acting strangely," even though it might be nervousness,etc. Just placing the seed of doubt into the public is enough.
@Florescentia The guy should have failed. This mistake will happen again and probably has happened many times in the past causing many innocents going to jail. Or maybe the officers were racist.
@Florescentia that level of incompetence should get you fired not demoted that level and of incompetence does not belong in law enforcement it's why there is a problem in law enforcement those people don't get demoted they get fired because they get protected by a union that's corrupt is all f***
@Cake Hebenstreit incompetence and corruption in the police Union as well as answering to governments rather than the communities in which they serve are the core problems that need to be fixed but you aren't ready to hear that
straight up. def fired. and jailed for sure if you knew they were innocent and pushed forward anyway. like when kamala harris blocked evidence from an appeal for a guy on death row.
SOS Hollywood2021-06-16 20:52:00 (edited 2021-06-16 20:53:01 )
@Kill me • 6 years ago na some guys spend 10-20 yrs in prison just to be acquitted that much later.. somebody should pay for that, you literally robbed someone of a chunk of their life. That'll make the govt make sure they have the right person instead of just trying to get a conviction
@reformed What's that? You want to talk about how Trump kept pushing for the death penalty for five black kids after they were proven innocent? Why, by all means!
@reformed I dislike Trump as much as the next guy but Kamala Harris is a bad person and she really did do that. There are terrible people on both sides of politics
@Krik 100% this. I never understood the blind faith in our politicians. I’m more of a Democrat but damn if just about every politician I’ve seen isn’t a garbage human in some way or another.
depends on how ridiculous the circumstance is. if the suspect wasnt even the same race as the person being arrested they should def be fired. but it wouldnt be as bad if we were truly innocent until proven guilty cause right now its really the other way around.
@reformed Don't assume someone is a Trump supporter just because they criticize decisions made by our current administration. No one is above criticism, especially our elected officials, regardless of their political party. Haven't followed politics in a while, but if Kamala actually did this and the evidence proved the death row inmates innocence, she should face criminals charges. That's just wrong, no matter who you are.
The issue with punishment for this is 2 things. First is that mistakes happen so this would have to have a trial based system. AN interesting idea is a peer review so that 2 officers are in charge of this. Ironically the solution to this is to fund the civilian section of the police which is the opposite of what both sides wish to do. The right wishes to militerise and the left whishes to defund. Of the irony.
@reformed I shouldn't even try to explain myself to you, since you obviously are the type of individual who can't even remotely think outside the party lines, and what the media pumps into your head, but for the fuck of it I'll give it a shot. I was actually a Bernie supporter, not Trump. While I'm not on a rampage, I suppose there is a pretty good chance that Trump might have actually won, seeing as how this country has a history of rigging elections, and the powers at be were DESPERATE to get someone in office that they could control, and Biden is the epitome of that. And though they try to sell him and Harris as politicians who care about "the little guy", he is also a corporatist, always has been. They definitely rigged the democratic primary so Biden would win, if not we would have had Bernie against Trump, as Bernie was a way more popular candidate than Biden, but like I said, control. While I don't like Trump, and don't agree with his policies, I can definitely see how people come to be Trump supporters after having dealings with people like you, who just scoop everyone you disagree with, or in this case, who's statement of fact you don't like??, together into some blanket category, and when those people try to have an open minded discussion with you, you just spew out insults or more assumptions at them, never using any factual evidence to support your standings. Never forget, Trump would have never made it to office if the mainstream liberals and their blind, sheepish supporters hadn't turned their political agenda into a fucking shit show, and if your savior Obama hadn't done such a shitty job. All he had to do was not be as corrupt as all the rest of our former shit bag presidents were, but he couldn't even do that. But that's what happens when you vote based on identity politics, which dems so commonly do. Which brings me back to my point about that evil bitch Harris. Millions voted for her and Biden (who is one of the most blatantly racist politicians of all time) simply because she's black, or indian, depending on what crowd she's trying to appeal to. She got all those votes from people who claim to be opposed to injustice in the court system, and oppose harsh drug laws, although she commonly perpetuated both of those. As district attorney in San Fran or wherever it was she repeatedly jailed people, mostly minorities, for simple possession charges, even as small as marijuana, while handing out lengthy, mandatory minimum sentences (which wouldn't you know it! her man Biden signed into law with the crime bill). Not only that but she also blocked evidence from reaching inmates appeals in time, because she knew they'd win their appeal if that evidence ever saw a court room, and God forbid the truth get in the way of her prosecution record, not to mention all the free slave labor the state gets out of inmates, which she and her husband just so happen to benefit from, since they own stock in companies that contract out prison labor. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with her, she might as well run as a republican with all the support she used to show for border security and immigration laws. But like I said, when people vote solely on identity, like race in this case, it's never a good thing, and they don't see all the horrible things these candidates have done. You need to open your mind and start doing your research. Stop listening to these mainstream news stations who obviously craft whatever agenda they think will get them the best ratings. Just because you don't trust the news doesn't make you a Trump supporter, thats just a bullshit tag to put on people, that got started by, guess who, THE NEWS. Its hilarious how ya'll can be so critical and untrusting of the government when someone you don't like is in office, but when a liberal is in there, BAM! all the sudden the government can do no wrong, nothing is rigged or corrupt, in fact it's so honest and moral that you're not even allowed to question it anymore! Come on dude see it for what it is, I'm begging you. Open your eyes. Don't be afraid to look into something that doesn't seem right because you might be labeled as a conspiracy theorist by your own people. Fuck em. Even as someone who never liked Trump, I can admit that he was covered extremely unfairly by the media, as opposed to the cushy, preferential treatment they show Biden. If you can't see that then you're just an idiot and no one can help you, but if you do see it and just refuse to admit it then well.... you need to take a hard look at yourself and the type of person you are, and what honesty really means to you.
@BumtheMustardMan don't waste your time, people like that don't care about facts. I guarantee you he gets all his information from CNN. no point in even trying dude.
@balls balls I don't like Trump either, but is anything he did actually worse than knowingly letting inmates die or rot away in prison just so you don't mess up your prosecution record? I don't think so. I know he's said some fucked up shit but cmon now, those are words. We're talking about lives being lost here. Years being wasted away by innocent people. I'm not trying to make a case for Trump I'm just saying, we shouldn't let our dislike or hatred for someone minimize others cruelty and evil doings.
@wut dat logic do? Well said, no politician or political party should ever just blindly be given a pass. I can't even begin to explain all the reasons why that is a terrible idea. I could see questioning the accusations and researching them, especially considering the type of people we have as politicians, now and pretty much throughout the history of government, but it's just idiotic to blindly support and trust one just because they're part of the party you support or identify with.
hate to be that guy but it's not that simple. I could get behind this if the law specifies that it only applies if you could have reasonably known the person wasn't guilty. Or rather didn't have enough evidence to convict him.
@Chris Green your answer to @reformed was one of the most honest and fair assessments of the facts about the current political climate that I have read especially in a random youtube comment thread. We need people like you to run for office. Articulate and honest.
@Lavendar 13 Nor should they, as long as probable cause was present at the time of arrest. Let's say there was an attempted robbery and the store owner tells dispatch the suspect was heading south in a blue Subaru Impreza. You just happen to be driving a blue Subaru Impreza and are stopped 5 minutes later 3 miles south of the gas station. Maybe you were late getting home and you were speeding. Maybe you're on probation for criminal trespass 2 years ago. That's probable cause and police are justified in arresting you as a person of interest. It's a major inconvenience, but it was a reasonable arrest.
No, you can't be fully accurate, change that to: "Knowingly imprisoned someone"
Unless you'd like officers and detectives all be fired and jailed for a mistake they made, meaning they need more of them meaning, more inexperienced ones leading to MORE screw ups, and overall just making it worse for everyone
@Bon Scott's Ghost 👻 Thank you for your kind words, just telling it like it is. Unfortunately most people refuse to truly hear the facts. It's also unfortunate that the people who are best qualified to hold public office don't want the job, as my belief is morally good and decent people don't want the kind of power that comes with it. It's pretty clear by looking at most politicians that only the greedy and morally depraved want to be politicians, with the exception of Ron Paul and a few others possibly.
It’s sad because when cops misidentify people; instead of admitting their faults and letting them go they then try their hardest to convict them and get them to admit to a crime they didn’t convict.
@Simon Foged Evidence is key. It’s innocent until proven guilty. In most cases where they get the correct person they actually have evidence for it and there’s tell tale signs someone is guilty which none of the people showed. It’s what JCS’ channel is about. Usually guilty people don’t react like either of these people.
@Simon Foged bruh, its in the name. investigator. if they dont know who did it they should, idk, investigate perhaps? not accuse someone and blatantly lie and then leave the man locked up for 3 more days until another investigator does his job for him? it is indeed a tough job which is definitely the reason why the dude got demoted.
@Simon Foged it’s really not, perhaps asking the first man where he was at the time of the crime and checking the bus video instead of consistently lieing to him and showing no interest in actually investigating, and for the second guy.. shit, call his momma..? If you can’t get evidence without deceiving and coercing then you’re a shitty investigator. Perhaps assume there innocent until you can prove they are guilty… I think there’s a law somewhere about that🤦♂️
I'm going to sound dumb for asking this bc I didn't pay too much attention to the video, but who was the guilty one? The first guy or the second guy? Or are they both innocent?
@Lazy Rat Both innocent, one is just an extrovert and one an introvert, on top of the introvert being careful knowing he is a tall Black man in Canada and things could go bad if he got angry, and the white guy not wanting to go back to prison on a false charge.
"Investigator" was demoted...lol, he wasn't an investigator, as the nitwit didn't investigate anything...he was clueless and could've easily ruled out this innocent man if he had done the bare MINIMUM of actually investigating something...clown just sat there, lied to an innocent person, and already had the guy judged guilty...he's apparently not that bright, but seems to be proud of it...at least he's now an example of how NOT to do things...lol...
@Banger By lying and not following up on a case? The cop said he was going to charged for a crime, yet did no investigating? Sorry, but the officer's actions aren't "trained."
@Gummie Bear that’s his job bro. Their taught to lie and act like the person was already proven guilty so if they actually did it or know who did it they might confess.
@jayyy Yes, they are taught to lie to get something from investigation. My problem isn't with that kind of lying. The real lying was the officer said he would look into what the man was saying. Yet, the officer didn't do any other aspect of their job. It took a second officer to actually do the first officer's job to prove the first guy was innocent. The proof of innocence as all over the place, starting with the very first bit of evidence. They were looking for a white man, lol. So no, this cop didn't do their job, and if the second officer did the same lazy policework, then the innocent man would be in prison.
@Gummie Bear true. I saw it more as the officer knew he was innocent but was trying to get info out of him since people usually remember more when their life’s on the line. But yeah I think ur right.
@Miss Awsum he isn’t the one keeping him in though. He was probably just told to go in and act like he did the crime. It’s the stations and cops fault that he was kept without evidence
Sent back to training?? Hell no. Try prison. No one should be trained to not lie, and to not put innocent people in prison. These are crimes against humanity done by criminals who should immediately be locked up.
Police have the ability to lie To obtain a confession
However They cannot lie To obtain a false confession
Meaning: If the police know a suspected person didn’t commit a crime But they lie about having evidence against said person to make them falsely confess
I just want to stress the nature of such criminality.Anyone so immoral that they frankly don’t care about breaking up families and robbing people of their freedom will find a way to be a bully or abusive in another way once opportunity presents. Such people only being “fired” literally proves to them how much power they literally have.
An abusive, criminal asshole with no regard for others is still just as sociopathic in a new job. In however many “new” jobs. For me this is like watching a paedophile and just saying “oh, just fire him.” Nah. PRISON!
I will give him a bit of forgiveness in that he softened his tone at the end to be like "ok, we'll get to the bottom of this I promise you that" instead of maintaining full certainty of "I know you're guilty" bluff. Part of the reason he did bluff was to apply pressure in hopes that a truly guilty person would crack.
@Tye Tyes I would agree with you in cases where a detective or prosecutor presses the case even when the evidence says otherwise and they push it to conviction when they ought to know better or don't really believe they have the roght guy. This detective seems to have had an uncertain situation (that he could have found more doubt on if checking the original suspect description) and was going to press the guy they arrested to see if guilt came out or an admission or if he convincingly defends his innocence. That's not necessarily wrong, so long as they don't continue to bluff or put the guy through undue restraint of freedom rather than quickly check out the story and evidence. So far from what we see in this video, the detective not following procedure of checking the initial call is worthy of reprimand, but him bluffing is not necessarily going too far so long as it turns out he didn't willingly ignore evidence that showed this could not possibly be the guy. So I don't know what happens next, or if he willingly ignored the initial suspect description, that will confirm whether this detective engaged in something fireable or just being warned and made to go through testing on correct procedures again.
@Viral Leaks I'm not going to pretend to be more certain about the unknowns of this situation than I am just to virtue signal some ideological conformity. I'm just trying to think openly with nuance and am giving my opinion on what I see in this video and some theorizing of the purpose of a mild interrogation when the detective is uncertain. I also noted that I agree that if the detective willfully ignored the suspect description then I think he should be fired, and if he simply forgot to review the suspect description, he deserves to be reprimanded and made to be tested for his knowledge of procedures.
I think the man that was subject to the questioning showed really strong intelligence and character, I'd like to be friends with him.
The thing that was the most shocking is he said that there was going to be court in the morning which I bet there was but because they just gave him APD he was instantly fouled guilty of the crime and another detective I'd bet heard him at the hearing and was like I bet something's not adding up did his due diligence and got a free man exonerated. Suspended without pay what a joke that's like being in school and getting an in school suspension it's not the best but it's the best of the worst
@Jared An “uncertain situation...”????? The very first report of the crime referenced a short man. I think it was a short white man. This was the very very first report of this particular crime. I don’t need to hear anymore. Any normal human being would have said “hmm...this already looks fishy. Let me do the smallest look into this before I try to put an innocent man behind bars breaking up his entire family in the process.”
Somebody should even be demanding All arresting officers to give an explanation why someone who is a million miles away from resembling the reported suspect was even arrested.
Your analysis is astounding. You are making excuses for criminals with power. I am so very happy you was not in charge of this case.
@Jared Unfortunately the police forces of almost every single nation on this planet remain corrupt because there are many in places of power like your self who professionally obfuscate extremely simple straightforward matters like these in order to keep sociopathic bullies in uniform. SMH 🤦 .
Dude that was such a badass move when he called his bluff and basically said “you know what, I don’t think you have a video camera. I think you’re just saying that to see how I’ll react.” And then suddenly the cop becomes less accusatory and goes “well do know I do believe the truth is paramount...” It’s almost like that is when the cop realized “uh oh, I have the wrong guy, I’m fucked” lmao.
it was badass, but surely useless, and it could've been really bad for him. He already know the vdeo doesn't exist, and his hierarchy knows it too, even for legal issues, it was already stated that he had one, which he would have to answer in a trial, so there was literally no point of him doing that, besides pissing off the dude that would make his life miserable for as long as possible. But it's pretty beautiful to see the detective shaking off and changing the subject immediately afterward.
If he had the slightest idea - which he absolutely should have based on this guy’s behavior - he would have checked whatever proof they had to begin with, such as the simple description of the actual suspect. Let alone the fact that they were chasing a suspect and then instead arrested someone calmly getting off a bus further proves that he 100% deserved the demotion and suspension. As a detective you have to be just as ready for your suspect to be innocent as to be guilty and it was almost embarrassing how this guy just straight up the bat accused him and didn’t give him any room to admit to things that could have been potentially used in court against him (not in this particular case obviously).
This is the perfect example of why police shouldn't be allowed to rely on false evidence to try to get a confession. Implying the existence of evidence to judge a suspect's response is one thing, but repeatedly lying to the accused over and over again is just gaslighting and may well result in a false confession.
@sleepn_on_me247 star lite tours in Canada were always known to the First Nations and Métis communities ...it was not secret but the police had always denied this horror was actually happening. The RCMP would pick up ( read... kidnap) First Nations individuals in the middle of winter , drive them off to frigid cold , soaking wet , strip them naked leave them to walk back into town sometimes 30 miles or more In -30 degrees or colder. Of course they froze to death .The police always denied this until they picked up 4 people , (one who was 8 months pregnant) but they somehow survived... this forced an investigation and the police chief was forced to admit this had been going on since the 70’s and they really didn’t know how many people they did this to bc it was done so often.
To this day we still don’t know how many people have been murdered this way and the police officers who did this were never charged with a crime most are still on the force today.
@sleepn_on_me247 Yes, mostly. But like I said the police have been lied so who knows really if it happens on other provinces . They did this to kids also.... one of the victims was only 16 and I might just point out this is an especially excruciating death and many were tortured as well beforehand . It’s horrific .
@A. Luiza I worded that wrong. Toronto one of the largest citys. one side of toronto is a bunch of neighborhoods nothing fancy. And downtown Toronto as people call it is full of large buildings and is pretty big. It's full of pretty crazy people and a very toxic environment.
@Vastelous Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up ;p Some people from the other parts of the world tend to think Toronto and/or Ontario = all of Canada. So, as someone who has lived in 2 western provinces (B.C and Alberta), I sometimes feel the need to advocate for the rest of Canada. Heh.
@Vastelous Yes, I understand that was the reason for your comment -- mine was just to explain why I asked for clarification.
But I understand what you mean. It's true Canada isn't all rainbows and sunshine, and only people who want to see it that way will continue to, after living here for any significant amount of time. Yet the same goes for every single place in the world, even if not all of them have the same clean reputation as Canada; whenever people create a fantasy in their mind about somewhere, they'll ignore the bad stuff that goes on there. They either make up an excuse in their minds for the problems, or ignore them completely.
I will say one thing though: I don't know what your own experiences have been, but I hope you won't let the bad ones completely overshadow the positive ones. There's a lotta crap that goes on in every nation, and all we can do is try to make ours better in whatever way we can.
@Lulu Bugz Well that starlite tours sh*t just blew my mind. and I thought the pigs in my country were bad. but the "I don't care if you did it or not, I'm going to fit you up anyway as it's easier than doing my job" sort of police attitude is pretty much the same everywhere.
Yeah exactly and the fact that the cop tried to backpeddal later and say(lie) that he would look through evidence and try to confirm or deny the dudes story as if he hadn't just told him his innocence was out of the question. Absolutely spineless
On the last case: I'd like to know how many man hours of investigation went into figuring out he wasn't the suspect. What is it about the police that they'll take the time and energy to brow beat a confession instead of investigating. It doesn't matter who we get as long as we get someone?
@Clint CatesIt's not about getting the right person. All they want is to close the file with a conviction so it goes under "Crimes solved" and makes the figures look good so they can justify their budget. That's why so many people who plead guilty get a good deal if they have several other T.I.C.s when they are sentenced. It allows the police to close the books on those crimes too.
it's a method of getting a confession from the accused. He's trying to bluff and say that they have hard evidence and then tells him he made a mistake and it happens to everyone and how he can make it right by confessing. The whole purpose of this is for a confession. This is standard procedure of an interrogation unless you invoke fifth amendment and ask for lawyer (which you should always do coz literally everything you say can be used against you). So basically even if you are innocent you have to go through this and because of this about 25% of proved innocent people have confessed after interrogation coz it's quite draining and they make it seem like confessing is the best option you have even if it's clearly not if you are innocent
A trial is meant mostly to figure out what the sentence will be and what type of punishment is going to be done.
If there’s a bunch of a evidence stacked against a subject, then them questioning whether or not they did it is unnecessary. Basically, if the detective knows for a certainty that the suspect is guilty, then they wouldn’t ask anything related to this.
That interrogator apparently did not keep his promise to look at the alibis.. it was some other officer. What a dirt bag. The ending was happy one thank God. I was questioned and put in cuffs 3 times in the States. I grew up in Europe and like to go out for walks and don't always drive everywhere. The cops told me I matched the disrcription of someone twice and the third time someone called because I was out jogging in my work boots and normal clothes and they thought it was suspicious haha.
officers shouldn’t be allowed to lie like this i can only imagine the amount of people who’ve had nervous breakdowns and admitted to something they didn’t do
I could understand admitting to something you didn’t do if you’re convinced you’ll be found guilty either way. You might plead guilty to get a lighter sentence, since you feel you can’t change anything else
@justcomments It's not even that, I've seen interrogations where they just wear a man down until he's just ready to say anything, believing the cops that repeating their lie will make things easier for him. The man, after experiencing a traumatic situation, such as a loved one getting murdered, is not thinking clear during these interrogations, but also doesn't even consider getting a lawyer, because he thinks that he's just helping with the investigation. It's very sad and scary. Even when you're called in as just a witness, always ask for a lawyer and don't volunteer any information, no matter how useful you think it is and what a great helping citizen you want to be, at the end all they want is to close the case ASAP and if you're seen as weak, they'll pin the crime on you, even if you've had nothing to do with it.
this is what Japanese police do, it’s really messed up, it’s called the reid technique. You make it seem like they’ll be doing the right thing by confessing
@Caleb no, it's not a joke, basically half of those that confessed under duress are likely to be innocent, but I don't have the statistic on what that number is.
@Username agreed, except that you will often be arrested and booked before you can talk to an attorney and by then your life has been changed profoundly
Victims of narc abuse will be convinced they did it this way…. It is basically narc abuse all Over again…. When I watch these videos I feel I done it but just don’t rem it…. I can not imagine what it must feel like to sit through hours of this abuse….
This kind of interrogation is illegal on paper in plenty of civilised European countries albeit I'm sure some of the more severe investigations don't go by the book.
@Junior Juniorr the central park 5 dude they were children at the time too. Its real easy to force people into confessions when you use disgusting tactics
@Junior Juniorr seriously watch the confession tapes on Netflix. It’s not “easily”, it’s after consecutive hours, days, weeks of interrogations which are made to break you psychologically, it can happen to anybody.
@Junior Juniorr some studies have shown that after around 8-10 hours of straight interrogation people can be coerced into confessing to crimes they did not commit. Remember these officers have every psychological tool in the book and they will use them all to break people-they are not your friend .
in Sweden there was like 20 years ago 3 kids on a pier... youngest drowned and the 2 twin brothers(who were innocent, the kid fell in) was pretty much forced to admit to the things in interrogation since they were like 5 and scared
@Junior Juniorr You don't need to directly admit to it. It's enough that you say or mention something, that can be used against you and interogators know exactly how to pressure and question you to get something.
I was accused of a lot of shit at boarding school by other students, worst was apparently I copied someone elses music on a hard drive off someone's laptop (this was 2008), even though I had never been in their study room. It was pretty traumatizing having 6-7 guys surrounding my bed at 10pm at night, not believing a word I said and threatening me with violence. I was in tears, and I still remember that shit to this day.
I was wrongfully convicted and the officer tried everything in his power to make me say I did the crime, all I can say is at 17 it’s hard to remain calm during something that insane.
I was talked into admitting something "disorderly conduct" by my probation officer. He offered three days community service to have it dropped, I knew I had did nothing. My dad sided with him because he believed it would be way easier than going to courts which I "had 0 chance in as it was already all stacked against me" according to my probation officer. It's intimidating, especially being introverted and anti-situational. I know it's not a big charge, but the fact that they are able to lie, intimidate, exaggerate, and destroy peoples dignities/lives is fucked.
anyone else feel so pissed off watching this video, like if i was the colored innocent guy i would say show me the footage because i would be in absolute awe
@Lament of False facade 2.0 Did u even watch the video? Go back to watch what he said about the guy with the beard and how its almost impossible to "act" like he did...
@Mikkel Olsson I was talking about the guy with white shirt, the first one...
I was simply praising the guy for being calm, even I wouldn't be able to do that considering I've punch my dad in the skull and almost broke it out of anger.
Then again I had history of violence when I was a child so that may say something.
@Micah Turner I'm happy to see that his composure is so great I would not be as calm I would be flipping out probably calling the cop racist and all kinds of shit
Are you joking ? In normal case scenario, the innocent accused has to go all the way of the process to protect the public image of the police and prosecutor. That was very rare case the investigator was disciplined
This stuff honestly makes my gut ache. I feel so awful for these people, their lives were changed so suddenly and for no reason, like Justin. He seems like a normal guy.
Edit: YESSSS YOU GET THE BAG MICHAEL!!! I’m so glad he got money and those stupid investigators were demoted. What a shit situation
I hope that Justin guy gets money, too. Even though.. I don't think that helps much. You saw his panic at the prospect of being incarcerated. 2 fuckin years til they figured shit out? Fuck the justice system.
Fudge Fudge he seemed so proud that he was able to stay out of jail only to be put back in completely innocent. He did his time and he understood the crime, and now he’s getting punished Investigators really need to be trained better, this all could’ve been solved way earlier by ASKING THE MOTHER WHERE HE WAS or fact checking the story but not two years later
That is pathetic. To hold someone for 3 days who is innocent and not even giving you trouble. The law needs to be better able to protect innocent persons.
Justin Kendall did beat this case but was immediately locked up again for Burglary 9/28/16 - 5/18/21. He is now currently locked up AGAIN for burglary, 12/02/21 - 11/01/22. Hate to say it but he might have did this one lol
The tall black man falsely accused of robbery is so polite and respectful that he actually thanked the interrogator for wrongly incarcerating him. That man deserves a lot more money and a huge apology.
@Wesley Ferguson Canadian cops deal with everyone the same? So...every person Canadian cops arrest, ends up incarcerated for 3 days, then found to be innocent, wins $46,000 civil suit? Wow. That IS excellent treatment of everyone!
I think it's sort of like he's black and he knows they won't treat him as civilly as the interrogator did if he got aggressive, if he had resisted arrest he would have been hurt and then this guy would not have been as nice either and I'm taming all of this a lot
@Sailor saturn he should of resisted, let them beat the hell of him and then could of won millions in lawsuit money.i dont like when people try to get lawsuits out of everybody because they're lazy and dont want to work. But this guy didnt do anything wrong at all and still treated those police with respect. That takes a lot of humility.
@MrShaneobueno Snodgrass but you see he also could have gotten shot and killed instead of being beaten up. And yes it takes a lot of humility to treat them with such calmness and respect when they didn't show him any and it says a lot about who he is as a person, he's better than all those policemen combined and they should have gotten fired instead of just note receiving no pay for a while. Also have their past arrests checked up.
@sweateryoshi yes I'm diagnosed with General Anxiety but I get it in social interactions probably just as much. That's why I felt so bad for him because I know how it is to just go along with something and agree just so I dont have to face conflict. I can definitely relate to that because most people would get so mad. I'm not sure what I would do in his situation but I respect how humble he is but I know and so do you that it's a fine line of being humble and cooperative and just letting people walk all over you..
@D W Agreed. No amount of money is going to remove the fear, anxiety helplessness, and phobias from this traumatic life event. Moreover, it was “only” 3 days after the fact. At the time, he was looking at years of wrongful incarceration. Everyone’s greatest nightmare.
@MrShaneobueno Snodgrass you are the reason why people get shot by cops. You should never resist. If he would have resisted he would have been arrested for that and it would have stuck.
@Nervous Sips actually you are right. I would never literally tell anyone to resist police even if you are in the right because that is just plain stupid. You have to remember though this was In Canada not the US. Nevertheless i was wrong to say that because even if you are in the right, fighting or resisting the police will ALWAYS just add charges on to your original charge and make thing much worse for the person resisting police.
@sweateryoshi As someone with the same issues, I think you hit the nail on the head. Getting out of the situation quickly is the one thing I would be thinking about in that situation. It's also shown by the way he just gets completly defeated when he realizes he won't get a chance to "retreat", and will be forced to stay. It says everything. Social interactions can be exhausting and sometimes you just need to get out to be able to take a breath.
He also immediately starts to think about the social ramifications of what is happening... almost more concerned with what his co-workers will think when he doesn't show up rather than about the potential jail time he's facing. You could interpret that as him being a stand-up guy... but I know from my own experience it's most likely completely selfish. More of a way to avoid the social interactions that would naturally follow after something like this as much as possible.
What did that bearded fellow get for 2 fucking years????? Huh?? At 15k a day he should be at over 10 fucking million , but the other guy like damn i wish a stayed longer
@sweateryoshi It's obvious the British interrogator is either wearing an earpiece, or it flashed forward.... because you can tell the exact moment when he realises the ridiculous mistake they made....his tone switches on a dime from "your guilt is not even up for debate" to "I give you my word I will investigate this"
@theawesome1rjc he isnt a pushover. When will people stop blaming tje victim. 1) he has anxiety. 2) he's black and he probably knows about the way black people are treated by cops. If he gets annoyed or angry they might see it is aggressive behaviour and call him hostile which makes it worse for him 3) he is in a terrifying situation right now and is probably panicking on the inside. So it may be easy for you to sit there judge him about what he did but things would probably different when ur actually in the situation. So have some empathy and stop blaming the victim
@Peter Gaard that's a lot of money to you and I, but for the guy that was scared to death thinking maybe he was going to prison for years, for a total of 3 days, may not be lot to him. that could cause lots of mental issues real quick. this guy should be studied on how calm he handled being falsely charged. any man that has that kind of composure should be respected.
In America, the last investigator would have swept this under the rug and the man would've spent 10 years in jail. Canada AT LEAST "demotes and reprimands"
It;s a good thing that man was set free, and those officers were arrested. May the officer who looked into this case with a different perspective live hapilly and freely.
Isn’t crazy you’re guilty until proven innocent. If a man is innocent until proven guilty then the man wouldn’t be placed into a cell with people who are in there for murder. Wouldn’t be placed into a cell at all until proven guilty.
“That’s why we’re here. To investigate” no, you’re there to get a confession from him that would be false. You’ve already made up your mind that he is guilty. You’re not investigating, you don’t care.
That has to be one of the most annoying things about this whole system. It’s great when they’re actually interrogating a guilty person, but they won’t even open up their minds to the possibility that they might have gotten something wrong. These are peoples lives we’re talking about and they just care about being right.
@Guts To be fair, they have to react to situations in an instant. They can’t afford to hesitate for even a second. They also have to do their job based off of the info they currently have.
@Gamer88 to be fair, they are threatening to take something invaluable off of innocent men and women. I’ll be more lenient when they figure out a way for them to get those years of free life back. These fuckups happen way too often and undermine what our justice system ought to be
I am NOT supporting this kind of thing. But there will always be individual intentions. As wrong or right it is. Though I do support finding justice. Unless we actually spend time there, we won't know the damage. Spend time in retail, people lie about coupons, I can't imagine the lies I would get about daily robberies. It's about 4-10 dudes to a city of 10k to idk LA. I'm not even god fearing and I must ask for tolerance.
@Guts tell that to every cop in town who refuses to drop me for trespassing when I'm sleeping on properties in my car. Stop fucking making an entire nation an individual when we still argue of presidents.
@Gamer88 ''Based off of the info they currently have''??? Talking about this case specifically... The actual suspect was said to be a SMALL WHITE MAN. Michael who came in is 6'3 and NOT white...
@Captain Caveman Not all cops. Yes there are unofficial quotas. If a police department doesn’t make a certain amount of arrests, write a certain number of tickets, etc., their funding goes down. In my opinion, it’s fucking bullshit that these quotas even have to exist because they’re part of the problem.
NOT SUPPORTING THIS MANNER but, this lack of evidence while investigating made it so multiple crime bosses got away with crime even tho they know for certain they are guilty... everything is wromg
its insane because if you look at the other videos on his channel when u see the guilty cases they do so much more investigation to make sure that they are rightfully convicted but these cases are literally mind blowing on how little evidence there is and how they have already made up their mind. its insane.
Literally. The entire time I was thinking just do your damn job and investigate because he didn't match the description one bit and his composure never changed. It is really sad that these things still happen, I thought detectives and police officers would have been smarter by now. I mean seriously it's 2021.. what the fuck.
@Nick Ger I would love to but sadly I’m 1. Not Canadian 2. Not a politician. You’re allowed to point out issues in systems even if you yourself can’t fix them. If everyone started doing it, maybe one day it WOULD get fixed
@masterskellington92 i know what u meant. I worked retail too, I would see people stealing candy bars and cheap make up. I honestly did not care. Little things can't make a fuss over. Someone lying about a major crime and there's no proof is a lot different. You can suspect someone is lying but u still need evidence.
These are not examples of a justice system. A justice system would care to find the truth, not playing tricks on suspects in order to get a false confession. The opportunity to have a lawyer present should be given before an interrogation is even conducted.
Oops. Maybe he shouldn't have destroyed his reputation by going to prison for robbery earlier in his life. That is what caused people to not believe him. But yeah, he should get reimbursed, and that girl who wrongfully accused him should go to prison for life.
@Justin Madrid So just because he got jail time for robbery or whatever, and then eventually learned his lesson and moved on to be a hard working man, that justifies the police’s behaviour in this case? That’s exactly what’s wrong with the justice system. They see what they wanna see, and will get the outcome that they want solely based on the fact that because he used to be a criminal, it will be easier for them to charge him and imprison him. Just confirmation bias, it’s ridiculous.
@CrazyDragy How the fuck did you get that message from my comment lmao. In a nutshell, all I am saying is... be presentable, don't build up a criminal history, and show some manners, and people will be far less likely to assume you are a criminal.
@Justin Madrid "be presentable, don't build up a criminal history, and show some manners, and people will be far less likely to assume you are a criminal."
absolutely ridiculous point to make given the other guy in this video did exactly that and yet the cops take it as a given that he is a criminal
@Justin Madrid You're literally saying don't look a certain way because that's how criminals can look, as if that's how the world works. That's against personal freedom you know?
@CrazyDragy It is not against personal freedom to advise people to be presentable. You guys keep jumping to these wild conclusions. Don't dress like a Wal-Mart employee if you don't want to be treated like one, don't dress like a clown if you don't want to be treated like one, and don't dress up as a gang member if you don't want to be treated like one. You can if you want, no one is stripping your freedom to do so, but I am simply saying that your life will be better if you look nice and talk nice. Is that too fucking hard to comprehend?
@Justin Madrid So you're telling people to adhere to your standards of appearance and be judged not by their actions but your preconceived biases and be happy with it? I suppose manipulation of psychology doesn't inherently clash with personal freedom, but being proud of your ignorance and biases just because you're comfortable in them is not a good look. If we are only animals then why do we need laws?
@CrazyDragy Humans develop biases for a reason. Whether they are just or not is not easy to surmise. Humans evolved to develop biases to increase the survival of species. Without biases, we would go extinct very quickly.
Sometimes a bias that you consider unjust actually ends up saving someone's life or property.
If someone signs up for a baby-sitting job, and posts their picture online, and is covered with tattoos, sporting a huge unkept beard and has a grill on their teeth that says 'Dead Man', no one in their right mind would hire them for a baby-sitting job. Would you hire that person? Perhaps you think you have intellectually ascended beyond having biases? Your child won't have a good ending if you ignore your biases.
@Justin Madrid You're what's wrong with society. How is it not presentable to look like the guy with the beard? Millions of other people look just the same. I can't stand people like you who look down on others that you think are worse off than yourself.
@Justin Madrid I half agree with you, but many innocent people are so convicted and go to prison as well. I'm sure he did the crime but even people innocent in the eyes of the law do things far worse, they're just never caught. Guy learned his lesson, kept his nose clean, and the police treat him like a pos because he did something stupid earlier in his life. Everyone deserves a second chance.
@Justin Madrid That first guy was not dressed like a gang member, or a clown, or a wal-mart employee. Just a regular guy (but think he was black. Can't fix that dress code in the eyes of police, can you?)
@Justin Madrid Sp then scrap the whole justice system first because it's not built around that premise. It's built to be "just" and "objective". I'm not above our instincts, but then don't clown on others by picking and choosing what suits you and let's just be the animals that we are if that's all we are defined by.
@CrazyDragy Again. You keep accusing ME of things. I am talking about how SOCIETY views people, NOT MYSELF. I am NOT saying these biases we have are a good or bad thing. I am not even claiming that I have or do not have these specific biases mentioned above. I am ONLY pointing out that these biases exist in society. Keep me out of this. I am talking as an observer.
If you go to a job interview dressed as a clown, do NOT expect the company to hire you. Does this mean I agree with it? Maybe, maybe not, but doesn't matter. I am simply saying that this is just how humans are, and it is virtually impossible to undo because humans naturally and instinctively develop biases about every thing down to what color and shape our food is.
Even if you manage to convince someone that traditional stereotypical 'criminal' traits are nothing to worry about, they will just develop new biases to replace the old. For example, many 'hipsters' dress very 'weird', wearing wildly colored clothing, blue hair, intentionally ugly hair cuts, oversized glasses, etc. They say that they should not be judged based on how they dress, but the thing is, those people are the FIRST people to harshly judge someone who dresses up in a rural 'countryesque' style, like blue jeans, belt, plaid shirt, and ball cap.
@Justin Madrid No one is denying that biases exist. We are saying that they are incompatible with a justice system as it pretends to be "just". We're saying they violate the whole base concept of it so it's bullshit.
@CrazyDragy Sure. But what I am saying is, the justice system is operated by humans, and humans are biased. Thus, the justice system is inherently biased, and there is nothing you can do about it. It is impossible to have a justice system free of biases. Why do you think defendants dress like they are attending a fancy wedding when they go to court, despite never wearing a suit in their life? Because if they don't. the jury will automatically assume they are guilty.
60 years ago the justice system put black people in jail just for acting slightly suspicious, and today the justice system is releasing black people back onto the streets just because they are black and people feel guilty for putting a black person in jail, despite the black person being a hardened criminal. If you try to remove your bias, you just end up overcorrecting and develop new biases. It is impossible for humans not to be biased, therefore it is impossible for the justice system not be biased.
Technically, the media is supposed to be incompatible with bias, but we both know the media is the most biased institution in existence in every country.
@Justin Madrid It is possible to try to be fair even while it's natural to be biased biased. You need to want to tho. Biases are us being lazy (default state of conserving recources) at best, and a lot more insidious at worst. There's a 'debate' on "objective journalism", how it's impossible and that the real goal should be fair reporting. It's all about the values you have.
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Some guy2022-01-30 07:11:22 (edited 2022-01-30 07:13:15 )
@Justin Madrid, all your points are valid the only argument I have is the guy with the beard did not go to jail because of the way he looked or his criminal record. He was waiting trial because he was falsely accused. That could be anyone. The Black guy was lucky no one accused him or he would have been screwed worse than 3 day. The police had absolutely nothing on him. He was just the first guy they saw.
@Some guy Not necessarily. If you falsely accuse someone who has a criminal record, has a poor appearance, and displays fits of rage and aggression during questioning, you are more likely to succeed with your false accusation. Now, if you try to falsely accuse someone with zero criminal history, and who keeps their appearance up, and is well spoken, calm, and well mannered, it is going to be much harder to pin a violent assault conviction on him.
If you have a criminal history, and if you dress poorly, and you behave in an aggressive manner, the investigators are going to come down on you, the judge is going to be biased towards you, and the jury will be working against you as well.
Go back to grade school. When Bully Billy is accused of bullying someone, the teacher immediately throws him in time out, no questions asked. But when Studious Sally is accused of something, the teacher goes out of her way to side with Sally, and ensure that she does not get a time out.
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Some guy2022-01-30 07:42:15 (edited 2022-01-30 07:43:26 )
@Justin Madrid, right that true but this guy was sitting in jail waiting for trial. Once he had his trial he got off. I guess he could have been out on bail waiting trial if he didn't have convictions but that might not be the case either. I'm just speculating the bail option.
Whats a problem is that in the US innocent people can be held indefinitely awaiting trial based on false accusations or bad policing. I'm not sure there is a way to fix that problem but it is a problem.
Imagine being accused of a crime you didn't commit. Being in jail for several years before a jury cleared you. It's terrible.
@Some guy The judge typically gets to decide if someone can be let out on bail or not by setting their bail price. If you have a criminal history, dress like shit, and display aggressive and angry behaviors, a judge is likely going to side against you. 9 times out of the 10 the judge is keeping a vile criminal off the streets, but sometimes innocent people have to sit in jail awaiting their trial. How do you dramatically decrease the chances of this happening to you? Don't have a criminal history, do not be aggressive, don't look like a stereotypical criminal.
The system is not perfect, and never will be. But there are things you can do to protect yourself.
Also I do agree, something should be done about people having to wait ages for their trial. The right to a speedy trial seems to be non existent in many cases.
@Justin Madrid He didn't "made" 46 000$, he received compensation for receiving so much trauma from police that he might never believe the system again
@Guillaume Thevenot Oh please. He spent less than a week in jail, and got 46,000 dollars. If anything, that event will actually give him MORE confidence in the justice system, showing him that a shitty detective will not be able to jail someone just because he wants to.
The man was mistreated, absolutely, but he was MORE than compensated, so he cannot claim that the end result was unjust. Do you have any idea how short 1 week is? Do you have any idea how much 46,000 dollars is?
Most people who were wrongfully imprisoned won massive lawsuits against the state. Theres lawyers who will work for a piece of that pie since its almost guaranteed money. Nothing will ever give him back those 2 years he lost, but I hope he got something to make up for it.
@Justin Madrid What does his past convictions matter? Yes a past history of crime makes you more suspicious in the eyes of the police, but if he didn't do it then he didn't do it. Its just awful, corrupt policing to immediately jump to conclusions like this and put an innocent man in jail.
@Justin Madrid statical proof that black people get out for just being black. And also "if you don't want to be treated like a Walmart employee don't dress like one" according to this logic in order to be treated like a decent human being I have to dress like one, this is problematic because clothing taste is subjective. That is a pretty fucked up saying
@Justin Madrid I'll check actual justice warrior thanks for the recommendation.I agree this yt section is too small for me to fully explain myself so would you mind giving me your discord? You seem to be able to engage in actual intellectual debate
@Mr Oooo Weee You have prejudices and biases. You absolutely have them. You cannot get rid of them. You might not even realize that you have them, but you do. You might not want to admit you have them, but you have them.
It does NOT matter if you and I 'justify' them or not. You have them, and you can never get rid of them.
So next time you try to act all high and mighty, claiming you are free from biases and prejudice, you will be wrong.
@Justin Madrid My dad was falsely accused and did those exact things yet got four years in prison because he was a pastor and autistic, therefore they perceived him as different. He was polite, well kept, and had no past record yet they put him away with no evidence. I’m sorry but unless you’ve had experience with how corrupt the justice system is you won’t understand that it doesn’t matter who you are or how you present yourself, all that matters is the narrative the police build against you.
@Justin Madrid It’s really funny seeing you try to save face. You know what you said and when people call you out on your shit you all the sudden try to deflect blame from yourself to “society”.
@sora he's saying if he didn't have a criminal history with the exact same crime then this wouldn't have happened... Are you guys trying to defend people like me with a criminal history? Because no thank you, your passion/righteous indignation is tacky, kinda like how he started his comments with "oops". My actions will have lifelong consequences, because that's the burden of personal responsibility. What happened was wrong, but those people accused him, not the police. When you have a victim and a witness identifying you and creating a false narrative similar to past criminal history, then what, you would've done better than police? How arrogant, you guys do realize horrible things happen all the time, and you can blame every institution in the world, but the true problem is the individuals within that system that poison it. The British detective, and the female false accuser. And the issue in this system you guys call society and blame your problems on, is actually just you, the individuals. Stop blaming human nature on systems, it prevents solutions. And don't defend people like me with such vigor, it's patronizing and makes you look like a fool. That goes for all you righteous white knights insulting a random guy with a rational opinion- albeit a terrible delivery on his part, he isn't completely wrong, but he's less disrespectful than you are
@Krishiv Agarwal No, that is not the point lmao. If that were the case, child rapists would not be put on a list after they were released from prison. You also get longer jail sentences if you have a history of convictions as well.
@Justin Madrid I don't serve the police, they serve me. We live in a democratic republic and as such, the minority does not dictate to the majority. If you and the police have a problem with beards and emphatic self defense of one's true actions, then you have problems with the freedoms we are entitled to. If you and the police stereotype incorrectly that often, then you are woefully underskilled to be in the policing profession. I guess that's why they say hammers only see nails though, eh?
The entire job of the police is to protect, serve, and ascertain the truth of a criminal event so as to attain a lawful conviction.
@Justin Madrid Yes, everyone does have biases. No, not everyone let's those biases influence their decisions at work as a public servant.
If I go to a job interview, then I am placing myself before a body that I will be serving. In that matter, yes I am subservient to the culture of the employer. Again, the police serve me and the public at large. In that sense, they need to accept the reality that good, upstanding citizens in the millions have tattoos and piercings. Funnily enough, most employers have already accepted that fact.
Show me studies that prove a correlation between tattoos or hairstyles and crime rates. Tattoos are present on every continent and have a cultural basis as such. That dudes beard wasn't even unkempt, it was merely long. Do you assume all Amish men are criminals? Psychological studies have proven that false allegations are generally met with angry denial and defensive behavior.
As far as for your "100th time", you're probably gonna keep having to defend your position that police are justified in falsely incarceration an innocent man because he had "scary beard". It's a shitty position, and you're a shitty person for maintaining it.
the only justice would be if the DA that decided to raise charges and take the case to court is sent to 2 years of prison too.
he was kidnapped by the government, due to gross incompetence and lack of empathy from a few people. justice is only if the people who harmed him are punished.
@Rat With a lot of respect, especially since I worked in retail for years back in the day. I wonder, why are you implying/assuming that I mistreat retail employees? This can only mean you have completely missed my point.
Again, just because I suggest you don't do X in order to avoid being mistreated, DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH THEM MISTREATING YOU FOR X.
For example, I have no problem if you go to court with your shirt untucked. I will not mistreat you at all for going to court with your shirt untucked. But I AM warning you that you WILL be mistreated by the judge and jury if you go to court with your shirt untucked.
@Justin Madrid he said it himself “I used to be a piece of shit and I told myself I’m not going back” He also said “All I’ve done since I got out is work my ass off” he’s trying to better his life
@Justin Madrid Saying that there is nothing to be done about prejudice is equivalent to justifying it. Did you consider that one cannot change aesthetic qualities that they are BORN with? False accusations don't just stick to people with criminal records - it carries over to both minorities and disabled individuals. In the face of those facts your "they deserve it" remark is rendered absolutely deranged.
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Joe Annello2022-04-10 07:29:25 (edited 2022-04-10 07:31:50 )
@Justin Madrid he served his time and from what I gather, rehabilitated himself. Obviously he shouldn’t have done this but he was in his early 20s, probably had bad education and peers, and depending on where he lives know this - there are A LOT of rural areas in America with no jobs around besides correction officers and farmers. I look at many counties in upstate NY near the Canadian border - the poverty line is near 50%, average cost of the homes is less than $60,000, and the jobs consist of gas station employees, correction officers, nurses at local hospital, teachers at the school, police officers or farmers. The only people who even make a comfortable living own business’ using the resources like lumber. A guy in his 20s in an area with no jobs - yea he fucked up, but he’ll be the first one to admit it.
@UltimateBROS25 This isn't about a few bad apples it's about the entire mentality they all commonly have. Some have better judgement of their ego than others is the only separating factor. A LOT of cops are on similar tracks as these, statistics proves that and logic does as well. A job with high amounts of power for relatively little experience and aptitude that is guaranteed immunity from most 'mistakes' is going to attract a certain type of person. I think you can guess what type that may be.
Jeeeefffffffff still waiting on that candy bar lol
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Jimmy M2020-10-08 20:58:49 (edited 2020-10-08 20:59:14 )
Unfortunately that wouldn't have worked for these 2. The one guy would have still been jailed for 2 and 1/2 days (maybe longer since they wouldn't have investigated that picture he drew out), and the other guy would have still served 2 years even if he hadn't said anything. Our system is messed up that one person can lie and put a person in jail like that. Especially if the accuser is a woman, and the accused is a man.
Also hammered home the point that cops lie on a regular basis to try to catch you lying. Actually, they just lie in general bc most of the time they get away with it. Not all cops of course, but enough to ruin the reputation of police as a whole.
@UltimateBROS25 a few? This happens fsr to often. So many lives have been destroyed, constantly because of their negligence and lack of professionalism. Deaths, mental health issues and a lack of trust in the police has resulted because of these under trained and incompetent people. It is not a few. It is the majority. Just look up testimony from former cops about how their system really works. That will change your mind.
Hif Watch “The Legend of Jeff” video by Jim Can’t Swim. A drug addict named Jeff has mastered the art of getting arrested, demanding a can of Coke and a candy bar in interrogation, then when he’s finished he says he has no idea what they’re talking about, and wants an attorney. At that point he clams up and the police are forced to take him back to his holding cell because he’s not talking lol
Hif Though, for the record, the police are expected to let you use the restroom routinely if you’re being held in interrogation for more than a couple of hours. Forcing someone to piss themselves would be considered cruel and unusual treatment, and it would be very easy for a defense attorney to have the interrogation thrown out of court.
@UltimateBROS25 The "bad apples" excuse is often heard after organizational failures, and it misses the point by accusing the bad apples -- and not the rotting barrel. The barrel (system) which holds all of the apples (cops) is bad -- therefore, none of the apples can really be good.
@Extravaganzoyeur Because people usually want to talk and explain themselves and the media works hard to make it look like asking for a lawyer and using your right to remain silent is suspicious and something only a guilty person would do. Copaganda is all over the place.
Its at the fault of the system. Same fact that traffic cops need to meet a quota with how many tickets they need to give out. They’re just trying to make a living most of the time.
@doni well, these aren't people that would be shot if they disobeyed - fired maybe, but it's no excuse. If you're forced to treat innocent people badly, you have a duty not to comply.
exactly, they dont care about people or justice, just getting another little mark on their paper showing they completed the work. The only thing they want is money.
petrol wrong. You don't get to fight the police at the time of arrest. You become a threat and now their lives are in danger. Go ahead and get arrested if you're innocent. Fight it in court and win loads of cash. Don't fight it on the street.
Tarot for the Heathens sorry, how is an unarmed individual a threat to someone carrying a loaded weapons? If they’re that trigger happy, they shouldn’t have the job.
Tarot for the Heathens and you definitely missed a couple steps. 1) be rich or able to afford a good lawyer 2) pray you don’t get charged. Even if you’re innocent and have a decent lawyer, it’s still 50/50.3) pray you get compensated. Let’s not ignore the hundreds of cases where everything comes straight out of the victim’s pocket. 4) access your behavior at all times. Try to defend yourself too much, you seem more guilty. 5) have a good job. One that allows you to be absent for multiple days without prior warning. Definitely going to need that job to pay off the lawyer and court fees
@Andrew Demarest Don't know about your country, but there's fack all money in being a cop in my country. They're in it for the power. Maybe some started out with naive good intentions, but it gets the better of them in the end in most cases. Also, you don't need good education results to get into cop college.
@Tarot for the Heathens petrol was arguing that, as a cop, you should put your duty to humanity over the duty of being an enforcer. If your job is to treat innocent people badly, or harm them for the sake of some code or conduct, then you have a duty to disobey that code or conduct. Its why the military doesn't have the excuse: "my commanding officer told me to do it!" when it comes to crimes during wartime. You have a duty to act as a good person should, not as others tell you to act.
@Cutland Springs the fact that there are criminals doesn't justify police lying on having "evidence" on innocent people. Cops who do this are not much better than the criminals they're supposedly after. Glad the first guy was smart enough to stop talking and lawyer up.
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Jack Johnson2020-10-09 06:12:46 (edited 2020-10-09 06:14:12 )
Both USA and my country NZ need to get rid of the privatized prison industry. USA has the highest prison population per capita and NZ has the second highest.
Hey officer, not many criminals are worried about being to work at 8AM. And then to be locked up for 3 days while you’re innocent; I’m not sure how I would have dealt with that. I’m glad he got a settlement and this officer is lucky to still have a job. It sounded like he was starting to believe him though and still failed to find the truth- major fuckup
DMoogle the vast overwhelming majority of police do not have an agenda of treating people badly as you and petrol are implying. Most often, they are called to the scene and that's where things can go wrong with criminals who have something to hide. They don't drive around looking for minorities to abuse for funsies.
"Michael was kept in jail for 3 and a half days... Officers were demoted and suspended without pay." Michael got a nice paycheck for those 3 days he spent in jail as an innocent man.
The other guy was unfortunately complicated because he had a "witness" testifying against him (possibly two if the boyfriend did as well) for a crime that he had a prior history of doing. It really sucks and hopefully he was able to sue them into the ground.
@zeddyf I understand, no one would like being put under that awful stress. The positives are he was cleared, bad guys demoted, and he received great compensation. Come to think of it, if I knew the outcome I wouldn't mind spending 3 days in jail for that amount.😄
@Marceline he went to jail not prison. While you wait trial you can be in that limbo for years, even if absolutely innocent. Only after they fail to prove your guilt, will you be able to leave jail. Its daunting but its a reality.
@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! Not sure about Canada, but in US the record stays with you. Record expungement or sealing is BS. It's still there accessible by FBI. The investigator is typical cop we love to hate: no matter what you saying since he decided you are guilty. BTW the cop used so called Reid method that allowed lying about evidence.
@ROCKDEES1 ahaha agreed but would you risk it though? Even if I told "don't worry bro, will be exonerated in 3 days and get 50k!" I would still be reluctant to go through the experience
Yeah, I felt a bit of satisfaction hearing that, but then I thought about how the guy was just fucked with for 3-4 days, unable to do anything. Then I felt bad again.
@Bob Marlon the whole agony of unknown, spending your time in a shithole, having to explain to prospective employer why you were arrested to start with - is not worth those 46k. Ppl are suspicious by nature: no matter how you explain your wrongful imprisonment they'll be thinking "there must be something else there..."
Well it’s a common tactic to lie like he does, but this is only used after a while into the interview where the directive already sees holes in your story.
Well, for those doubting he's full of shit and shouldn't be doing the job....he didn't do a very good job now did he? He didn't arrest the actual perpetrator. He's grilling someone who's innocent, and he could have easily referred back to the dispatch. This could have been a lot worse. It is a lot worse in MANY instances. They have our lives in their hands, and they know it and when they shirk that responsibility? Lives are lost and destroyed. It's not like if someone got the order wrong in a drive-thru. It's incarceration or worse. It shows a lack of quality in his work ethic, honestly. Should get demoted or reprimanded in some way.
@jd123 uhhh yeah, let's ignore that he disregarded the dispatch description. Let's ignore that post-interrogation they illegally detained him without evidence for 3 days. Nothing wrong here, that's why he and two of his buds were demoted. Too bad that civil cases can't be filed against the individual cop so that they, not the tax payer bears the burden of a judgement.
Stop believing the Cop fairy tale. The roots of the profession began in protecting the interests of the rich and powerful and they never evolved past that.
@Jen Wombat Excelsior First and foremost their duty is to protect the innocent, we are all innocent until proven guilty, it's a fundamental pillar of society and I don't see how anyone can get away with this kind of negligence given as you say the level of responsibility in their hands. It should just be an automatic firing if the most basic due diligence is not being done and this should be being monitored at all stages of the investigation, they are simply not fit for that level of responsibility plain and simple. I'm quite sure any other profession that has this much level of responsibility, it would be a criminal offence to destroy someone's life. All this simply leads to a lack of trust of those who are there, at its most basic level, to serve and protect which ultimately leads to much bigger issues we are seeing today on a wider scale with trust. They can only rely on a thorough investigation and a thorough one would have sent an innocent person home rather quickly, which is what every person has the right and must expect I might add, rather than clutching at straws trying to force some evidence. There has got to be a failing of training here if that many got it wrong on that one investigation.
@jd123 If its illegal to lie to cops it shpuld be illegal for them to lie to you. If cops lie to innocent people, then it breaks the trust between them and the civillians whom they serve
This cop has an accent and he does not belong in this country.. he should be sent back where he came from.. We have enough trouble here without importing Trouble...I hope he was disciplined but probably not.. I love my country and it shouldn't be ignored what he did.. years ago this poor man could he framed and sent to prison..
@420Effect debatable. What if that lie was to protect an extreme situation? If by lying they say, find a lost child, the idea of a conscience might be reversed. Could their conscience handle NOT lying to protect someone? A conscience differs greatly from one to the next
@UnknownArchive Touche, but often the lie is to get a confession and the confession to get a conviction and if those requirements are met then the cop in many ways has been successful regardless of if they convict someone who is innocent. There are a lot of cops who just want the confessions for personal gain and don't actually care if they got the right guy. there are also a ton of awesome cops who are great people who do everything in their power to make sure the right guy is caught. Too often it is the prior which is unfortunate.
@420Effect True but that happens less and less each day. Cities HATE liability. Police lawsuits are a large part of that. One bad cop being bad can cost a city a LOT of money. They look at it like this: Officer Dummy cost us 100k. That 100k was ready for roads, community projects, schools, etc. Now they have to cut back on everything because of one stupid cop. The way they prevent that? Outfit all of their officers with cameras. Then if it's logged the city CAN fire the officer. I think you inspired me to do a video on the subject!
@UnknownArchive yes I think it is certainly moving in the right direction especially with more accountability through body cameras and through the means you just expressed.
If you don't know your rights, you have no rights. The 5th amendment not self incriminate, but we are too busy with our lives and let others decide our future by hiring an attorney which his first duty is to the courts not the people, get caged in prison, and the best we do is comply about how the system and politicians are corrupt, but never about or lazyness or ignorance.
@UnknownArchive It's an accepted interrogation technique, sure. But then, how do you tell a cop "It's okay to lie in these situations, but not others." ? Answer : You can't. Once you tell them it's okay to lie, they will lie about everything, sometimes a lie of omission to make sure the charges "stick", sometimes lies of outright fabrication to cover their own ass.
@Smokey298 Not trying to bully someone but lying can be effective. The cops just have to be better tat their jobs tbh. These suspects really didn't seem like they were lying. Bald dude literally called out the cop's exact bluff.
Shouldn’t the investigator be charged by false claims? This is definitely not the appropriate way to deal with this case. I’m aware that not everybody in the same position would be innocent but such irony he saids himself that he’s treating everyone as individuals.
How so? The guy was held for a couple days but then they found out the truth and let him go and compensated him. Shitty situation of course, but filthy and disgusting? Seems hyperbolic
That's what lying in its purest form is like. He was convinced the guy had done and had allegedly the undeniable footage of this. Why the interrogation if you have all you need? Who cares why he did it? To make money or get stuff? What kind of a stupide reason for an interrogatory....
@Juan to get a confession??? Which you wouldnt get if the person was innocent so in theory it should work out. Pretty some stuff when it comes to criminal psychology.
@Kyle Philipe Did you not watch the entire video? A separate investigator looked into the evidence 3.5 days later. Cops involved were demoted and accused won a civil case.
If the other investigator never took up the case Dixon would have gone to jail and those cops would have gotten a promotion. Even in the court hearing Mann was STILL trying to say he believes Dixon guilty. All he had to do was show a pic to theGO bus driver but for whatever reason chose not to. He was turning a blind eye to potentially exonerating witnesses. AKA he was trying to convict Dixon even after he KNEW he was innocent. And he had the fucking nerve to say he's looking for the truth. What a scumbag... oh btw guess where hes at now; promoted to staff serg in 2009.... yikes.
@Kyle Philipe The interrogator/case managers tried to get him convicted, he was released because other officers looked into the case and quickly realized that they had the wrong person. They were actively lying and holding him for days despite being easily able to verify his claim.
@Remorce True, though at the time he didn't know that. The other guy who was sleeping at his mothers house received years in prison from a single testimony.
@Ashley Flores it gets worse than this. The cops were lazy and didnt do the legwork on either. The white dude it said his lawyer tripped her up so bad during court that he was released without prejudice. Dont know where you got years in jail from unless I missed it.
@Ashley Flores they lie to the suspects in interviews to trick them into confessing. It's not really a nefarious tactic but it looks that way, somebody has to do it though. That's why I'm not a cop though
@Remorce yea I was wondering how he could've been in jail for 2 years on one testimony. It just didnt sound realistic and I would like to know the truth
Delusional? No. A critical observer of the world around me? Yes. You’re not a random person, you are somebody who is advocating for corrupt police officers. And you don’t know what I think of myself, but you certainly are making a lot of assumptions.... so you’re not only immoral, but not very good at arguing your point, either.
@Remorce - Good luck with that. In the case of this guy, he had video on the bus, the bus driver, and other corroborating evidence. Most people do not. They are not going to accept the alibi of your friend or family member or girlfriend. And the issue here even if you have some amount of evidence, is finding a lawyer that will take your case. Most lawyers in this arena (and lawyers in general in my mind) are pure scum. Their oath to the Constitution, means nothing.
They don't want to do any work if they don't feel it's a slam dunk they will get paid for their efforts. So unless you are prepared to pony up potentially $tens of thousands of dollars for their fees, they might not take your case. And if you lose the case, then you lose that money also. If the cops, DAs/ Prosecutors, or Lawyers (whether defense attorney or Civil Rights Attorney) are leftists (most are), then you are at an even far greater disadvantage.
Many police departments and DAs Offices will prosecute you regardless of innocence or guilt because they are lazy, don't care, don't have enough personnel/ resources, etc. and put you through a living hell. If you are innocent like I was, but have life long debilitating health issues, you really need help to navigate the process. Especially if they keep you in the system, in this process, for 6.5 years of your life slowing wearing you down to where you are near the point of death.
Because the ultimate goal innocent or guilty, for these DAs/ Prosecutors, is to get you to accept a Plea Agreement. Never forget my words/ advice. If you ever find yourself in such a situation, remember that a public defender, or even private defense attorney like I had, is only as good as they are not lazy (and have other employees/ investigators who are willing to work for you to find exonerating evidence). 60% of people charged with one or more felonies, is innocent of one or more of those felony charges.
@Liam ignore that guy he's a know it all, you see how he said "pretty some stuff to criminal psychology" like he's actually an expert but I think he was actually trying to say its "pretty simple stuff in criminal psychology" but he clearly didnt watch the whole video lol
@Sovereign Citizen LEO well that was pretty much said in jest. So maybe some clarification. 1 I live in Canada and suing the cops for holding you doesnt really exist here so in the end my comment counts as squat. 2 I trained Police for 10 years. I know tons of lawyers and crown prosecutors that would love to help me out if I ever stumbled into a "situation". The last just shows that you dont know everyones position on certain occurances. I could go into though on statistics and sociological systems to push the point of my jest. But that'd be boring and as I said I made a funny.__. kinda?
@Remorce - My comment was cut-off for some reason (it was at least 4 paragraphs long). I wasn't stating anything negative toward you. I was just stating that it is very difficult to actually win a civil rights lawsuit, let alone find a lawyer who will take your case without you paying up front (or at least a large detainer), unless there is easily observable/ easily found clear cut evidence. In this case obviously there was. But in most, there is not. Anyone would trade a few days in jail if they thought there was a good chance they could win $50K. My point was simply that it's extremely rare, and extremely difficult to actually do so. Where you live makes little difference.
@Kyle Philipe It took a completely separate investigator to look into it. The one interrogating him didn't even investigate anything on the subjects side of the story like he said he was going to.
That's just how they interrogate people, though. What matters is that they didn't properly check the witness alibis (they saw a white, short man) and that they didn't treat him decently. The lying technique would've likely worked if they actually looked for a white short man. If you rob a bank or whatever it was, they catch you and say that they have you on camera, they have a high chance of them just admitting to it.
@Sovereign Citizen LEO where you live makes a huge difference. Civil lawsuits work way different in Canada vs the United States. But what ev's. Getting off topic.
@Remorce - I concede that where you live actually could make a difference. That said, there are psychopaths and sociopaths everywhere, and especially in Government, and positions of power.
@Juan its Goodharts law : "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure" an interrogation is supposed to be used to figure out the truth but a lot of cops are only trying to get a confession which is only possible if you are guilty, so if they are trying to get you to admit to a crime they already are assuming you are guilty they don't care about the truth.
@Kyle Philipe If you dont think the cops deserve to be demoted for this you're really in a world of your own lol. Rewatch the video because they had some glaring infringements of standard operating procedure that you're conveniently ignoring
I wouldn't have been able to keep my composure in that situation. I woulda saw right through him and, god forbid, given him a reason to find me guilty by whoopin his lyin ass right there on camera. I'm not a violent man but about the only way you'll ever get charges put against me is to try and frame me for other charges and see what i do to that person.
@Kyle Philipe If you watched the video, the narrator stated that a cop getting a confession out of an accused without hard evidence would grant them a huge promotion, suggesting that that’s what the cop was aiming for and thus, why Viral V called the cop disgusting for it.
@cody davis That's what I thought, freak. I thought you would be incapable of explaining your own philosophy and I also thought you were suggesting an end to my life..... Me, someone you dont know at all and over YouTube at that. You should probably take a hard look at yourself, if you are under 18 then I kinda understand and forgive you.
@Remorce this guy was way luckier than most people who are falsely arrested, especially those who are falsely convicted. Most of the time whatever they win in a case (if they win anything) is not even remotely worth what they went through
@Kyle Philipe Purposefully lying and trying to get an innocent person to confess is not even remotely a mistake. Obviously police officers can make minor mistakes but things like these are not mistakes and are just blatantly wrong
@Remorce Hindsite 20/20. This man wasn't looking at the situation in front of him as "3.5 days and I make 46k". He was looking at it as if he's getting falsely accused of a serious crime and may end up losing the rest of his life over it. This is a stressful situation and it's easy for you to lazily say that having the outcome presented to you in such a clear manner. I'd be hard pressed to believe that you would take up a series of serious life-altering allegations for the off chance that you end up like this guy, and even in that perspective lies the bias that you've been exposed to this man's situation and think this outcome is the norm when in reality it's not.
@Kyle Philipe Wtf do you mean how so the cop lied and said he had the guy on camera robbing the place, that's why he was arrested. These pos cops got off easy they all should have been fired and thrown in jail for arresting an innocent man.
@Kyle Philipe really? How so you ask? Because the pecker cop says “what matters to me is the TRUTH” when he wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him in the a$$! That IS filthy and disturbing- Glad he got a small compensation. Not nearly enough for the emotional and psychological bs of almost being wrongly convicted.
@ChrisSquid depends on your lifestyle. If you have a house, car on payment and go to jail and lose them to years of incarceration then defo not worth it. Homeless, cant hold a job then defo worth it. Perspective mate. Theres always a counter argument.
@vetacoth oh wow I never thought of it like that sarcasm Funny how people point out the obvious like its a revelation from god. Dude you obviously didnt read the comments in here. Laziness in kids these days I guess. Did you read the comment where I said this was in jest? Obviously not.
@Remorce Look up what projection means. Didn’t seem so obvious to you when you wrote the comment. Your need get emotional and lie then fail to provoke someone you don’t know over the internet is just weird. I hope life is treating you well, buddy.
@Superkayko exactly. I've heard several testimonies of people pushed to make false confessions and then ended up in prison. One particularly horrible story was that of a young voy who discovered his murdered sister at home and was basically tortured for days, deprived of sleep and food and then made to confesse the murder if he wanted to get out of there...
For three days that’s an amazing amount of money lmao. I was once picked out of a photo lineup by a woman who had her purse stolen. I was at the dermatologist that day and when I got home did a few things. Went out to hang out with a few friends a few hours after I got home. I get a call from my mother saying there’s police at the door and they need to speak to me, they wouldn’t tell her what about.
So I walk to my house, they tell me that a lady picked me out of the photo book and they need me to come to the station to do a lineup. I go without a problem because I know I didn’t do it. I get into the interrogation room and after being questioned i wrote a two page statement of what I did and where I was that day.
They do a lineup and you’ll hear knocks on the window if the person picks you (ie 3 knocks if you’re number three, one knock if you’re number one). The detective comes out into the hallway and says “oh fuck”, I heard that and think that’s great news for me because she must have not picked me. He goes back into the room with her and then I hear the knocks.
Just so happens that I knew someone who was arrested in the cell next to the room where the witnesses look at the suspects in the lineup. On the way to central booking he told me that he overheard the detective saying to the lady “it could’ve been him maybe he was wearing a wig”. If I would’ve had a lawyer present then I wouldn’t have had that happen.
After about ten to twelve hours (plus the additional five or six I was in the precinct) in central booking and being the last person in the room out of like forty people, an officer gets me and lets me out the back door. I never found out what happened and why they let me go.
I got kicked out of a (free) concert for a 100% bogus reason and even then I was batshit livid about the accusation, can't imagine my fury if I went through this. Still, I might do it for the $46k.
It's more than annoying, it's downright unethical that cops will make up shit (e.g. had alcohol) and manipulate the accused for a confession to further their own careers. That's the ugly truth of capitalism.
@II M4X II I’m sure people older than myself found “lol” obnoxious as fuck, when the internet became readily accessible & text messaging took off. I’m 29 now, & while I might’ve cringed the first few times I saw “af”, it’s unreasonable to expect younger people to not speak like those around them. My parents text with abbreviations they’d have never used a decade ago.
It's seriously disturbing that the Investigator says he has nothing to gain by watching the footage. Uhm, how about some integrity for NOT being the guy who falsely charges people?
I keep watching that moment and I cannot find any indication that he was refering to the footage when saying he has nothing to gain. What he's talking about is the other guy calling out what he assumes to be the classic "we got evidence against you" bluff, to which the investigator then refers he has nothing to gain from. I'm gonna assume it as an absolute because I simply cannot see that point and say you, and the people replying to this thinking it's true, are no better than that lazy investigator.
@Maxwell Lee Sterling Oof... talk about digging a hole. Your inability to find something is not proof it doesn't exist. Could you imagine if any field of science operated by such logic?
OMG, WHAT A GLOOOOOOOOORIOUS FINALE ! Are you kidding me? How can you make that so short in like a throwaway line at the end? I just came!......(21:36)
Plus the part about th 46.000$ also feels extremely good, that Michael is a legend! I wish I would have such composure, but if I was ever accused of a crime, I would much more likely react like the other guy......
@CannibalisticSqvirrel4ever I'm an American myself, it's pretty easy to spot a fellow countryman in the comment sections, we tend to be a wee bit standoffish
To quote Stan Edgar from the boys “ I can’t lash out like so entitled beast that is a white man’s luxury” tho then again I’m not 100% how the police are up north
Women rarely get in trouble for falsely accusing men of crimes, usually with the excuse being that punishing them for lying could make other women afraid of accusing men themselves.
yeah i honestly doubt it since she was in a DV situation. u never know if it was her abuser's idea to cover his own ass or just her idea to cover her abuser's ass... because as the victim u want to fix things so u don't get abused again... so she could have called the cops immediately after the assault + went back on her word because in her mind she loves her abuser n wants to protect him.. which by extension is also protecting herself from harm because he'd be less angry...
@gthktty 666A woman can never do anything wrong. Whatever wrong a woman does appear to have done can actually only be the fault of a man who abuses that little innocent and loving creature.
@gthktty 666 exactly what I was going to say. her abuser made her frame his ex friend because he's straightened his life out. or whatever they had issues with because he said they knew each other and he's beaten Candy before.
@FannyBandit nope. any half assed lawyer would argue she made the statement under duress from the documented domestic abuse situation she was in… which she says in the court trial that she lied because there was a restraining order against him so if she said she had communicated with him, he would have gotten in trouble and yeah nah… she’s not in jail now.. never was.. she’s working as a paralegal
@ste07an he had to write /s at the end. we adopted this common practice because people are stupid and in order for this kinda people to understand we need to mark it aa sarcasm.
@RaydenXY Pay attention to these words and phrases: 'Never' in the first sentence. 'Only' in the second sentence. And, especially this: "little innocent and loving creature". These don't look like obvious and intentional exaggeratings to you? Sarcasm doesn't have to be conveyed through !!!!! only. For people who have at least a little capacity to think.
@xWiranekx Perceptive enough lol. You dindt even bother to read the whole thing. It might be or it might not as i said i havent said that for me it wasnt im just saying that when written you should point out that is sarcasm somehow and you shouldt call people stupid for asuming the oposite. I bet you werent perceptive enough to see that..
@Cal I know just wanted that guy to chill. There is no need to be calling people stupid if they dont get it since people tend to be stupid enoguh to be serious when they say that kind of things.
The armed robbery guy is the ultimate Canadian - gets wrongfully arrested, remains super chill, wants to make sure to call in to work before being held, and is thanking his detective as he's being led to lockup.
@Sunny R i guess it's because he called him the Ultimate Canadian as if he were to imply that only Canadians can be nice, probably just an overly nationalistic american who doesn't get a joke
@nalina his comment is an eyeroll at the previous comments seemingly baseless glorification of Canadians. In other words he is saying that is a good person, not particularly a Canadian.
@ceg 2009 it's not a "baseless glorification of Canadians", it's just a stereotype and pointing out the absurdity that the guy can still act nice while put in horrible situations -- making him fit the stereotype of the nice Canadian. It really wasn't as serious as you guys think. Also what's the reverse racism thing? Weird.
@nalina minus the reverse racism means minus glorification of a certain race or ethnicity i.e. Canadians (he views as a race apparently). What you referred to as a stereotype, though tbh I'm not sure why that is a stereotype for Canadians, but I have never been in Canada so... maybe they are generally very nice idk.
@ceg 2009 what an overall strange comment. Also, as a Canadian, people can be assholes. Stereotypes aren't necessarily always true, in this case, it was just funny and borderline absurd to see someone fit "the mold".
Isaiah 1:16-17 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before My eyes; cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.
Guilty or not your best bet in this Situation is to keep your Mouth shut, Detective's that already have all the Evidence they need don't ask question's. All they want is an Arrest, and could really care less about what actually happened.. If your in this Room their trying to Lock you up Period. Ask for your Attorney and STFU..
Racism runs very deep in the justice system, I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t his first time and if his colleagues and higher ups have also wrongfully incarcerated other black people. They often protect each other when they’re all doing the same crooked shit.
@Phia Don't ever let anyone convince you otherwise, by the way. Recognizing that bigotry and racial violence are inherent in our judicial system is paramount to improving it.
Anyone trying to convince you that there is no institutional racism is fucking deluded
They were all arrested and imprisoned. The reason why they thought he might be the perpetrator was because they hadn’t reviewed the evidence (which they were, by law, required to do so).
I mean, $46K for 3 days off of work doesn't sound too bad, so I wouldn't exactly say "poor guy". The detective and arresting officers definitely deserved a harsher punishment, though. Hopefully that detective's demotion was doing traffic duty like it is in the movies.
@KLUSTUR Almost getting years in jail and thinking about that for 3 days non-stop doesn't sound like a vacation to me. The fact that he only made it out thanks to 1 police officer doing their god damn job is pretty sad to think about.
@Furkan Topaloglu obviously not, but at the end of the day, the only way he could've won more is if they got fired. We're talking about the aftermath, not what he was going through in those 3 days.
@BlinQ3d Gaming bc it is about race. The justice system is racist and this is a clear cut case of systemic racism. A white man would not be arrested if the description for the suspect was a black man. A white man would not be held without evidence for 3 days, it’s just the facts.
@BlinQ3d Gaming and here we have another person triggered about anything to do with race. People like you tend to be the most racist people out there, because even clearly acknowledging race in this instance is somehow wrong. Did you hear the description of the actual robber (short and white) and the person they decided to just arrest with no evidence (tall and black). Even the innocent white guy, even though the victim was clearly lying they at least got her to point someone (him) out. There was literally no evidence that this guy was guilty of robbing the store, yet the detective treated him as if he were guilty before being proven innocent.
@Mikko the amount of times this kind of thing happens to black men is way out of proportion to the amount of times it happens to white people, there’s statistics showing this. Your ignorance isn’t an argument, please do some research.
@That's Rich just one. I'm just saying that's why they wasnt fired. Dont turn it into somthing it's not kid. Where did I imply it was "across the board"?
@Mikko You're 100% correct. It could be due to race and it could not be due to race. The fact that the accused is black is not evidence for anything and its stupid to assume and preach that the officer is racist. No point trying to argue with people tbh; people are stupid.
@Damien Breslin Sorry about that. I just find it that when people bring up random singular anecdotes they tend to be the type that somehow believe the exception somehow refutes the rule (statistic).
I'm more surprised that there were any consequences to the detective's failures at all. Cops are caught on camera shooting unarmed men in cold blood and get off with a slap on the wrist. My guess is they were demoted based on the fact that they lost the following court battle. IE: You lost us money, so now we're mad.
@Mikko "what will you say when a white man was held without evidence?" bro, someone SPECIFICALLY told the officer that they saw a short white male. he discards this statement, and goes for a tall black male. what does this look like to you?
@KLUSTUR him getting 46k in really doesn't haven't anything to do with it, he had to right to receive that money. but the money also does not take away the fact that he spent 3 days in jail, more than likely lost his job, and was publicly humiliated, and accused without evidence.
@Paul John Jeffs you're right, the fact that the guy was black doesn't prove that him being falsely accused was racially influenced. but it's the fact that a witness had specifically told the officer that they saw a short white male, and the officer disregarded this and went for the tall black male. what else could this be?
Tbh, if he were white, when the cops entered the alley, he would have still been arrested. This case doesn't exactly scream racism, just cops saw a guy where they expected the suspect to be and assumed
@Phia What about the white bearded guy who got falsely accused? So that doesn't ONLY happen to black people. And the detainment of the black guy happened in Canada, as you can probably tell by the accents.
@M0rtanius the justice system doesn’t only exist in America lol, and it’s corrupt and systematically racist in many countries. You also missed a key difference in these two cases that are glaringly different, the white man they arrested WAS the suspect they were looking for, he was falsely accused by the victim but she gave his description and name to the police. The black man was arrested by 7 officers after getting off the bus bc he was on the street they thought the criminal they were chasing came out on, even though the description of the man they were looking for was short and white and he was neither. They also treated these men extremely differently, the white man was actually offered a chance to explain himself and asked questions by the cops even with prior history in breaking and entering, the black man with no prior charges is told his guilt is not in question and that there’s so much evidence he might as well confess, and isn’t asked to tell his side of the story until the end of the interrogation. He was also held for three days with no witnesses or evidence putting him at the scene, where as the white guy did have ties to the people he had been accused by. Thats a huge error within the system vs a civilian purposely turning someone in falsely. As I said, it’s happens to black people disproportionately, and there are statistics that back me up. If you just did a shred of research you’d know that black people are killed, brutalized, falsely arrested and accused and incarcerated by police/ the justice system at a high rate when compared to their percentage of the population.
I just wanna know: why do certain people get so offended when you point out other people’s racism? Are y’all part of the system, or complacent to the system bc you enjoy that white privilege too much to address the white supremacy, racism and oppression that upholds it? Either way I hope y’all get better soon, Fr, ignorance is a disease.
@Phia Racism is one of the reasons the Zodiac killer wasn't caught. Apparently the police disregarded eyewitness accounts and sent a search team with the objective of black male instead white male.
@Tfree free a) read my other comments and get back to me. B) google is free and i encourage you to do your own research on many different sites and articles, as I can’t link all of the statistics and articles here that helped me come to my conclusion, and I don’t want your next comment to be “you cherry picked this and that statistic” doing your own research and making your own conclusions about the facts is really important, don’t just expect people in the comments to tell you everything you need to know.
This definitely improves my way of telling if someone is lying or not. The innocent people often learn toward their accusers, the show dominant posture, they are fast in response, they tell the same stories each time they are asked and so on. The guilty are slow on response, their stories are never constant, they passify themselves constantly, they divert their eye contact away from the accusers and so on. Its interesting to see the human body work itself.
@TheNuttedNutter To use it to make a confession, maybe. The only thing the cop interviewing you is trying to do is convict. They don't care if you're innocent or guilty, they just want to put you behind bars. The only way I'd reasonably have a chance of getting out of false accusations is by only asking for a lawyer.
Seriously, if nothing else, Michael is incredibly intelligent. He read motive with ease, and kept his head in a very consequential situation. I hope his boss saw that, and was able to acknowledge how lucky they are to have him.
@Anti Aggro how is that a disgusting system if the cops who ignored the system and didn't respect the man's time were punished with demotions and no pay and they gave the dude 42k for having to deal with them breaking the rules of the system? Thats the system working, ypu punish those that break the rules and do what you can to make amends to those who were taken advantage of by dirty cops. No matter how theoretically perfect a system you construct, there will always be people who break the rules or take advantage of the system, thats just reality, and the hallmark of a good system is that, even when you get situations like this where people break those rules, you can fix them and punish/compensate those involved accordingly.
this is why you never talk to the police. ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. Innocent until proven guilty has never been the way it actually works and you will always be considered guilty untill you're able to prove your own innocence.
That Canadian cop needs to be reprimanded more than just a simple "demotion." He wasted Michael's time, his freedom, could've cost him his job. He wasted time looking for and investigating the real culprit. He wasted his man hours, that I'm presuming Canadian citizens pay for. It's not sloppy police work, it's arrogance. I wouldn't even trust him to work at a library filing books away.
Have wisdom. What percent of the time does this happen? Can you reasonably, intelligently, expect it to be 0% in the many thousands of cases a year and who knows how many cases a decade? You want the percentage to be absolutely as low as realistically possible, and for the wrongly accused to be more than reimbursed for their pain, but there is a nonzero percentage minimum for this happening in our primitive, human judicial system.
the "the issue here isnt whether or not you're guilty because i have enough evidence to say you are" like ??? from how the story was told it sounded like there was no evidence aside from the fact that they saw him somewhat near the crime scene
@Adam Carmen lol "Ask Steven Crowder" has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard anyone say in a YouTube comment.
Dude probably would've had two chunks of lead in his chest if he was in the States, and even if he hadn't gotten shot, he almost certainly would have spent weeks in jail because our bloated criminal justice system runs like Windows Vista with ten anti-virus softwares installed.
@Adam Carmen I'm sorry but that is an extremely bad take from an extremely unreliable source. The United States police absolutely act this way, and people are wrongfully convicted in the tens of thousands at least. One person's anecdotal hatred of Canada proves nothing about the US investigators.
I spent 3 years arguing a level 5 felony in the states that I didnt commit because I was tall and worked at the facility, the detectives, frankly, had other shit to do and wanted to close on the case. As far as I'm aware those detectives are still with the department.
@Kevin Reyes Yeah, not corroborating a suspect's allibi and letting him stew in jail for 3 days until another detective completely unrelated to the case has to do it for you is definitely good police work.
That's a UK cop who has joined the Canadian force. I'm in the UK, and sadly, there are a few corrupt officers who are like this. Chances are he's been on his last leg in the UK force, and miraculously got into Canada.
@Adam Carmen My god... you are naive. I once went on a ride along with a cop who told me outright that they tag a "resisting arrest" charge to people they arrest as insurance against claims of excessive force. It's also why you see videos of cops in the dog pile on a suspect yelling, Stop resisting! Stop Resisting! Even when the suspect is responding that they aren't resisting.
Dude be happy something happened. In the US, nothing would happen but an internal investigation, while they were either put on desk duty or suspended WITH pay. Once that was done, the chief of police would say that the police were justifiable in their behavior, and they may even get a promotion later on down the road.
@Kevin Reyes I hope you mean "prosecute". "Persecute" means to treat someone poorly on purpose based on their race, religion, sexual orientation or other socially differing factor. Then again, maybe you do want that since you're so on the side of the cop.
Shiiva Inu you’re correct actually, my analogy was wrong. But that doesn’t mean I was wrong. I still believe our police system is fine, because if you look at most other countries in the world put police system looks like heaven. Also, what about our police system would you change? Genuinely curious.
David Klein call me naive, but just know that you threw insults at a child before I did. You acted as if I attacked you in some way, I never even said anything to you. I made a general statement, but people can’t handle that and people like you decide to take anecdotal evidence and spew it like it means something. Well guess what? My father went to prison wrongfully for a night, they thought he hadn’t payed a ticket that he had, after they found out he did pay it he got compensated and went along his daily routine. It’s easy to spew anecdotal evidence as if it means anything.
@Duane Degn Dont forget there are people who have fought for decades against bogus arrests. You and I are lucky, maybe to a different degree, but both our stories are important
@Adam Carmen But...you were the one who STARTED with the anecdotal evidence by implying one man (Crowder) choosing to leave Canada for the U.S. was evidence that U.S. cops don't act badly. If anything your use of an anecdote as the basis of your opinion was worse than his because it wasn't even firsthand.
And yeah, it's true: people don't tend to react well to generalized statements like yours, but it's usually because they're difficult and (more often than not) pointless to try reasoning with. They also tend to lack any nuance or logic not formed from overt bias which just makes for a reductive and frustrating worldview to listen to other people defend.
As for your other comment: police systems being worse in other countries does not exempt the U.S. system from having flaws, that's an absurd logic. That's like saying if you punch a puppy it's okay and there's no need to correct the behavior in future because somewhere someone else has killed one.
They aren't mutually exclusive and one being worse doesn't automatically make the other acceptable.
KT M I never said it didn’t have flaws. People don’t understand how privileged they are to live in the US, that was my point. As for my Crowder example, my point was that he has stated that the police are much worse in Canada (if you have his good morning mug club you can look for it). And I already admitted either way that my evidence was bad. I did this a long time ago.
That's honestly just how it is for us men out here, yall seeing the whole Johnny Depp situation I can assure you theres a million cases like that just go unnoticed. Here in Pakistan we had a similiar situation with this singer and actor called Ali Zafar, it is scary how just some words and accusations can ruin your everything that you spent your whole life building
@ian ian no definitely torture, I mean one big thing they do towards the end when they know what the person did if that they emotionally exhaust the person to the point where they just give up. They also find other ways to paint them to be guilty, innocent or not.
@ian ian No. this interviewer blatantly stated that the interrogation was not a matter of guilt or innocence because he “KNEW” that man was guilty already. This is clearly not a real interrogation and is just an obvious case of psychological abuse. He’s fabricating facts in order to convince this innocent man that he is not innocent. Fortunately it didn’t work, but that’s what the goal was without a doubt
Black guy who is smart. He is intelligent enough to know if he raises his voice to a corrupt cop, he will be charged with more injustice. He heard the stories. He knows of the injustices. This shouldnt be surprising that he cant act like the white guy. He cannot afford to act enraged. Those before him have been beaten and raped in jail and worse. By cops and by jailmates who cops ordered them to do so. This “justice” system is soooo f—-ed.
@ian ian ITS TORTURE BECAUSE THEY ARE TEASING HIM WITH THE THOUGHT OF HIM SPENDING HIS LIFE IN A FUCKING CAGE FOR SOMETHING HE DIDNT DO. Psychological torture. They have all the power. Does that clear it up?
@Voldemortadella I had trouble reading your response because of the ALL CAPS. But I think I understood the text. Still disagree with it, though.
So If I "teased" you, any day of the week, with "spending" your life in a "fucking cage," would that make me a torturer? That's a pretty broad and vague definition of torture.
So no, It does not clear it up. Care to clarify (without screaming this time please)?
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ian ian2020-12-03 00:20:09 (edited 2020-12-03 00:22:39 )
@Goofy Goober I might have heard the name somewhere or another... Oh, wait, now I remember. Yes, it was that guy who was killed by a cop for using counterfeit currency at a store (while high on drugs). Yes, quite the hero, that one. I heard he pointed a shotgun at a pregnant woman's torso and robbed her house. I also heard that he had a history of violent crime and drug abuse. Indeed, this gentle giant will be sorely missed, for he contributed so much to our society. May he rest in peace.
In any case, I don't see how this case applies in the context of this particular interrogation. Especially since the two cases are spaced several years apart and in different settings altogether. Remember, I'm not arguing that police corruption and brutality don't exist, merely that this particular police interrogation does not constitute this.
Would you be so kind as to spell out the connection there?
@ian ian if the government is going against its own people and trying to incarcerate them then something is horribly wrong and thats exactly what this is. Millions of people are falsely imprisoned in the u.s. over the years
@Goofy Goober I didn't say it was.Where'd you get that idea?
I was just listing facts about the guy, you know, for context. After all, it was you who asked me whether I "ever heard the name George Floyd?" The answer is yes. I think we all have, by now.
@Voldemortadella The government is "going against its people"? How? Care to elaborate on such a vague and ominous message. Sounds like a conspiracy the way you put it.
There's definitely Something wrong. But could you be just a bit more specific ?
Millions? could you provide a source for this? What does "over the years" mean? one, two, ten, What?
@ian ian i meant to says thousands and yes the state government and federal dont always work in the interest of the people. They function as more of a business
@ian ian If you know who he is & we agree that death was not a just punishment for his crime, then surely sir or madam, you can see that at least one case of that behavior occurred between law enforcement personnel & United States citizens.
@Voldemortadella The government works in the interests of the country (e.g. it's people). The people might not always agree (due mostly to misinformation and ignorance), but at least they are always involved in the process through voting. The average Joe Smith is not a qualified military strategist, political analyst, or economist. It's best to simply vote in people you can trust and leave the technical decision-making to the experts.
I can't see how it functions as a business. A business is interested in transforming Capital assets into other products/services that is then sold for profit. A government, which is funded through involuntary taxes, makes decisions on behalf of its people.
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ian ian2020-12-03 01:11:17 (edited 2020-12-03 05:28:55 )
@Goofy Goober Yes. That is true. Police corruption does, indeed, exist. However, I don't see how we can conclude that the interrogation is an example of this. We were talking about the African-American suspect that was interrogated by the police officer.
@Watermelon Man you didn't understand what was happening.
Yes, they presumed he was guilty, and acted as if they had all the facts, a common interrogation technique, but they didn't know he was innocent and interrogate him anyway - what would be the point?
@mollkatless This is an intimidation move to induce stress/fear to coerce an admission of guilt or full on confession out of him. That is literally what torturing is. When someone is tortured as a POW, they are intimidated or harmed into giving up information they are presumed to have. This is what is happening here, but with psychological torture. It was unnecessary because they already had him under arrest, so it’s not like they had to hurry and get something or he could walk. Just because you call it a common interrogation tactic doesn’t mean it’s not torture. That just means that interrogation is commonly torturous
@Watermelon Man First, it is not "literally torture". Both the US constitution and NATO recognize legal interrogation - context matters. 2nd, there are limits to how long a person can be legally held without charges, again a constitutional right in the US, in Canada, the same right exists, so the clock is indeed ticking.
How would you like to see an interrogation be conducted? I assume you would be against physical force, you don't seem to like psychological stress, how would you discern the who is innocent and guilty at the initial stage?
@mollkatless There’s the problem. We’re on two different pages. You’re discussing legality. I’m discussing the tactics, purpose, and morality. Obviously I know that under the law, what they’re doing is legal. That’s not my point. My whole point is that if you don’t ACTUALLY have concrete evidence, don’t act like it. Treat it like an ongoing investigation and keep investigating instead of trying to fish for quick convictions for whatever reason.
@Watermelon Man I think your approach is naive, there are instances where an investigation road blocks with needing an explanation from the accused - due to inconclusive physical evidence, or witness testimony. Underneath the legality of interrogations is faith that innocent people won't, cant, be proven guilty of something they did not do. A strong alibi, a complete lack of physical evidence, cell phone records, etc. Does that happen, sure but rarely (should never happen). The risk of course is that without a means of applying some psychological stress, many murderers would never confess to their crimes, and be released, and able to murder again
I will ask again, what would you replace interrogation with?
@mollkatless Again, we’re on two separate pages. You’re speaking as if this is the last resort to keep this investigation going. It’s been a couple days and I’ve since flooded my brain with tons of new information so my memory of this video is a little foggy, but I’m fairly certain that this man was arrested and interrogated the same day the crime happened so it’s very fresh and open to many outcomes, but this officer was lazy and rushing to get something since he didn’t even review the evidence yet. Also, you’re speaking broadly. I’m speaking about specific situations like in this video. Obviously, the more severe the crime is, you have more pressure to catch the perp so you want to do it as soon as possible to prevent more crime. However, these were robberies I believe (again, it’s been a couple of days). And I made it clear in my last comment that the issue isn’t with the practice of interrogation itself, it’s with the tactics used within the realm of interrogation because in all honesty, if you have evidence that clearly points to someone but isn’t concrete, I can let that warrant for this kind of treatment. There is no valid reason to press a person for information you have already in custody and charged on the day of the crime before you even reviewed any evidence. There’s no threat of reoffending if the person is in a cell. The evidence clearly exonerated this man, so the interrogation shouldn’t have even taken place.
@Watermelon Man we will have to agree to disagree. You act as if the interrogation is superfluous, and I am saying in some cases it is the make or break
@mollkatless Well that’s okay. Everyone doesn’t have to agree. I still appreciate the civil discussion here. At the very least I have taken away that sometimes you have to do more than most would deem necessary to get to the truth and the issue just lies with where every places that line of what’s considered necessary. Thanks again for maintaining civility in this encounter.
@ian ian the guy you're replying to isn't saying the black/white guys are acting like that BECAUSE they're their races, they're just using the terms to identify between them lmao
you're absolutely right, being black does have nothing to do with this at all. but that's not what they were suggesting in the first place either
@ann Well then, enlighten me. What is it that the above posters were suggesting in the first place?
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Pedro Reis2022-05-14 21:18:53 (edited 2022-05-14 21:22:18 )
First case doesn't the bus have cameras? The man even point out to the evidence and that incompetent cop keep saying that from the evidence I have.... Second now à days the phones have gps working even when it is not connected for sure that the service network can fetch the signal. It is incomprehensible how these cases can happen. The FBI can recover sms files photos in fact a good hacker can help.
David Mathews2021-11-05 01:08:22 (edited 2021-11-05 01:08:56 )
Why is none talking about Justin going crazy about his innocence. I felt the worst for him. Just out of prison trying to get his life back on track and some random person decides to ruin his life.
I haven't seen the entire thing yet, but it almost sounds like a setup. When he said she was proven to lie on the stand and Justin mentioned that she's gotten her ex arrested for domestic violence, sounds like he attacked her and now they're both blaming it on Justin for some reason.
@Corvidae i just read that apparently justin slept with candy, and candy’s boyfriend got angry and beat her in the house (he was on house arrest from the domestic charge i guess) and they tried to pin it on justin. not sure if that’s true tho
That 2nd guy, the girl "candy" who picked him out of a lineup should be thrown in jail for the same amount of time he did for making shit up and getting an innocent man put in jail.
Not a great idea. If you do this, no witness will ever point someone out if they arent 100% sure out of fear for mistaking someone and going to jail instead.
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Luke S2021-05-31 12:52:03 (edited 2021-05-31 12:52:33 )
@Gurken Gerd is picking someone out of a lineup just an American thing? I don’t recall ever seeing it being used here in the UK.
You’re right that people wouldn’t want to pick anyone if they aren’t 100% sure out of fear of being wrong, but that’s exactly why it’s a stupid process in the first place. If they can’t be 100% certain there’s no point in doing it surely?
@Gurken Gerd doing this is NOT realistic. As the person falsely accused will be going in for sexual assault. But misleading a jury is a far more lesser crime. That being said, eyewitness should be considered less important and given less weight in an assault case, because DNA, and other hard evidence is, although not perfect are pretty rigorous.
Gurken Gerd The “falsely accused” part and the fact that her testimony came apart on the stand makes this different than a regular person picking someone out of a lineup. Fraud and lying to police is supposed to be punishable.
But you know that will probably not happen considering she’s a woman they can accuse a random white or black guy for assault etc and divorce men and take half our money but no we can’t do that to them It’s just the harsh reality of life
@Gurken Gerd you'd rather innocent people go to jail because the victim is 30% sure and has a justice system pushing them for a suspect? Sounds like justice to me....
@Gamunu Bandara yeah, Im pretty sure I wouldn’t forgive that person because If I were in that situation my life would be ruined….something like that can’t go forgiven, it’s just impossible for me
@Luke S pretty much just an American thing. The justice system in the US is fucked. In the UK, eyewitness testimony is at best only supportive evidence, as it has been proven to be extremely unreliable. There are many examples in the US of people being jailed on eyewitness testimony alone and then later proven to be completely innocent.
@Gurken Gerd there's a difference between mistakenly picking the wrong person out of a lineup and intentionally lying and making up a story about them to get them in trouble. That should be punished with jail time.
I think the first guy is so calm because he truly believes nothing bad would happen to him, whereas the second guy can't be sure and knows how bad the situation will be if he has to go back to jail.
It's actually amazing the difference between, "we have an eye witness" and "we have you on video tape". Eye witness is your word against theirs, and once an investigator signals that they believe the witness over you, you're fucked. The tape, we tend to believe, will always show the truth and no one can argue with it. So being told it was "caught on tape" must have a calming effect.
Not a normal reaction though, even calm people 99 times out of a hundred flip out when accused of a crime in this manner. Had they looked at actual evidence better this interview wouldn't have even been necessary though.
Truth truth truth truth as he sits there lying and lying trying to badger him into a confession. I am all about supporting the system but ppl like this cause the distrust that is there.
Clearly Michael was guilty of being tall and black when he should have been short and white to make the cop's job easier. Yes, why didn't they ask the bus driver like Michael suggested?
Not exactly a happy ending, imagine if there is no other person come in to look into this, that guy is 100% gonna be scapegoat for this crime he didn't do, because when the police already go over the line with suspect, they have to pay for the inconveniences it cause to the innocent, but if they just jail him, cost less, job done, and promotion as well.
Even in this, which is probably the best case scenario for how it could have turned out, I would hesitate to call it a "happy ending".
- the guy had to spend 3 days in jail - he had another 9 months of restrictive bail conditions (including a curfew) until prosecutors finally dropped all charges - he tried complaining to police, but was not provided with a complaint form. Only after complaining to a civilian commission were charges laid. - the trial took almost 8 years to be resolved - hardly something you want to have hanging over your head, and constantly have to be worrying about for almost a decade. - over that time he seems to have accumulated over $80,000 in legal expenses (lawyers are expensive). Presumably this was mostly paid out of pocket until the trial when this was part of the judgment awarded to him. That's a helluva lot of costs to accumulate, not to mention all the income lost devoting hundreds of hours to the case. - in addition to the legal fees, he was awarded $25,000 in general damages, $11,200 in special damages and $10,000 in punitive damages. - the officers were docked 3 days pay. when put that way it's rather more underwhelming than saying they were "punished and suspended". - I can't find anything actually confirming they were demoted. in fact, one of them was actually PROMOTED to Sergeant in the intervening years. One of the four officers died, and his estate was absolved of any legal liability in the case. - The Sergeant mentioned above continued to maintain even after the case and judgment completely exonerating Michael Dixon, that he had made the right decision.
@Brandon People willing to watch a 20+ minute video about interrogations will be willing to spend an extra minute or two reading some extra facts about the case.
Why didn’t they ask the bus driver or the passengers on the bus if he was on there? Or not take him in at all? He literally didn’t even fit the description..
I'm wanting help, is anyone here a professional who can point me in the right direction? I'm in fear of my life and not sure what to do. It's a long complicated story but I know I'm innocent and others are guilty. My 2 therapists believe me as do my family and 2 close friends, a 3rd is skeptical. Please help me someone
Something similar happened to a friend of mine recently. Police had "guaranteed proof" that he had been filmed comitting a crime. He fought tooth and nail to get them to show him the footage, and when they eventually did, it turned out the quality was so low you couldn't possibly recognize anyone from the video. I find it abslutely disgusting that detectives are allowed to make up loads of bullshit to get people to confess, but ohwell. At least the dude in this video got really good compensation for the detective's incompetence.
Ask to see the tape. If they don't show you the indisputable tape evidence, that's when you know it's BS. "I want my lawyer". The tape will be viewed when the court convenes in the morning. If it doesn't get lost in the sauce before then that is.
@guiguismall1 my cousin had that happen to him police said they had pics of him and videos all were to low quality for anybody to even recognize them. Worst thing is we lived in a small town so all the cops were together in on it. Turns out it was somebody he knew they was trying to get to and they had to let him go.
Bruh this comment is getting likes faster than effing Rick Roll
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Rick writes2021-05-31 19:19:46 (edited 2021-05-31 19:21:05 )
@Slade Grey Same in US. Probably most places. Why you shpuld never even speak to them. Am I free to go? What am I being charged with? When can I see a lawyer?
That's actually part of what happened during the interrogation of George Zimmerman. But of course because the fucking trash in the White House at the time said "tRaYvOn CoUlD hAvE bEeN mY sOn", the local democrats tried to railroad a guilty verdict.
@SAM BRICKELL Sounds like the Georgie Floyd, just keep showing the pinning him down bit for a few weeks till the riots start, then quietly release the entire incident.
Wouldn't want people making up their own minds as to whether he requested every action they took now would we 🤷🏼♂️
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Jackson B2021-05-31 23:08:22 (edited 2021-05-31 23:08:47 )
“There’s- there’s a number of witnesses” “Great!” “One of whom had a video camera” “Perfect!”
That whole exchange was brilliant. How could anyone watch this interrogation and think this guy commited the crime lmao
this is why you NEVER talk to the police. if they want to talk its because they dont have what they need to hold you. ALWAYS ask for a lawyer immediately.
It’s almost as if they didn’t wanna go off again to find the actual culprit, though they knew damn well the dude they “caught” didn’t commit the crime.
@Merc06 awesome "detective" work, wouldn't you say?
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D S2021-06-01 05:12:59 (edited 2021-06-01 05:13:46 )
@somerandom nameorsomething being a paralegal and having lived with a criminal defense attorney, you never talk to police. They are not your friend and only want a confession and conviction.
@ella elise remember they can do what they want to try and get proof out of them. And plus if they say “we have pure proof” the person who responded confidently and positively Leo makes it look better for the person being accusated
@guiguismall1 Police do it for personal gain as the video mentioned in 16:57 . Police think of themselves, they dont care if your really guilty or innocent. They are the primary enemy of the people
Even when people are awarded a settlement, cops need to have their pensions penalized not the taxpayer. Even if the cops are fired, they get rehired in the next precinct. Furthermore, they have their own cop friends as the internal investigators for any wrong doing.
Not really necessary unless the guy ended up in jail for years because he was falsely accused of robbery even though he didn't do it then, yes, the cop deserved to be fired permanently and thrown into the jail for as many years as the guy went through.
@Alexander Chess he didn't get punished because he was using so-called 'tactics' but because the suspect wasn't treated decently, which violated the suspect's rights
So this is the incident of racial profiling because if you would notice when interviewing the black man they were very aggressive in adamant that he committed this crime but when the white man was interviewed he got belligerent and very aggressive and the investigator was very calm and I’m assuming the reason why this black man acted the way he did is because he knew he was getting racially profiled so the way he thought to get out of the situation it’s a Be compliant as possible and even try to find the person who did this so he can be in the clear the white man has no worries about the police because he know he doesn’t he didn’t do this and he knows that they can’t do anything until they have Harcourt Evidence because I am 100% sure that if the black male was acting that way they would’ve put him in handcuffs in charge him with failing to comply with officers and resisting arrest
@Jeagerist I would respond the exact same way tho. He already served time and was cleaning up his act just to get imprisoned on false charges due to his history. I would be fucking pissed as shit. There was no "acting calm" for Justin. They were going to throw him in the cell from the get go away because he had a past. Crappy fucking justice system is what it is.
Horrible thing is that once you are charged in the US it never goes away. That charge stays on your record forever even if it was dismissed. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t do it. You can request one removal of one charge in your lifetime. So if you had multiple charges at the time of your arrest you are screwed. What if it happens again and you already did your one removal? Not likely, but what if? It can and sometimes will come back to bite you.
Dispatch: “Yea we’re looking for a small white male with hair” Cops: “Yea we found the big tall bald black guy, we’re brining him in right away” Dispatch: “But I sa….” Cops: “Nope, we got him”
COP thoughts - the dudes black. that's all the evidence I need! Lock him up!!! Later that night COP watches news and sees BLM protesters and can't figure out why those people are so upset....
@Valnera It was the first thing brought up as a mistake the COP made. Short white guy is reported to have robbed a store. They pick up a large black man and arrest him. Racism, plain and simple. Not my politics just an observation.
@Jeff -66 The reason they abjectly lied to him about his guilt being unquestionable is because of an interrogation method called the futility technique.
"I'm not trying to give you a hard time" says the innocent man in a calm and sweet tone as he is being wrongfully accused of robbery and knowing he might spend the night on jail. Is this the nicest dude ever?
The joy of being black in police custody. That’s all I could think comparing the two. And the second guy languished in jail for 2 years because he made mistakes in the past. It’s like you can never escape that past regardless of how hard you try.
I would do the same tbh. Logic and reason is very helpful, and if you live using reason, you have no choice but to use it in your most dire times. It's the only thing that's helped you so far.
Joe E2021-05-29 14:44:05 (edited 2021-05-29 14:47:34 )
I feel for Justin when he says he's shaking and stuff. He knows, from past experience, what he's facing in prison and the fact (FACT!) these cops are going to do everything they can to put him back in there. He loses two years to this false accusation. Candy is a real pos. The difference in response from Michael is he doesn't know, doesn't really know, what he's facing from jail and from the police.
Remember that she was abused by her boyfriend who if I understood correctly knew Justin on some level, I'm pretty sure it was his idea to shift the blame... 😬 Candy wouldn't have any motive to lie about it really, so it makes sense that the guy told her to do it
Edit: made a new comment but because people are just stupid, here's my explanation for "making up" a story to "defend" Candy as someone said... JUSTIN said Candy's boyfriend had been convicted of domestic violence previously and JUSTIN said he knew that the boyfriend was the one who attacked Candy and they're shifting the blame on him so that the boyfriend wouldn't get caught for it. This was all said in the interrogation by Justin so if people just actually listened... 🤦♂️ You're the perfect examples of how innocent people get convicted like this, you hear 1 sentence and then you ignore everything else just like the cops took "Justin attacked me" and then ignored everything else she said which could have contradicted her story.
@Trash King the Mighty Ruler of Garbage Town what do you know about Candy's motives? What do you know about her relationship beyond what Justin said? Why would you invent a story in your mind to defend her? The cop said she accused him and she got shredded in court over her lies. Then you imagine it's all her boyfriend's fault. For all we know, her abuse accusations against her boyfriend may be lies, too.
Even after seeing this I feel like I'd be more like Michael in such a situation. I'm also pretty introverted. I might curse a bit and get angry, but it would be more of exasperation than defensive. Like when he got to that point of "yeah so the speed at which this is moving is concerning to me," I'd be like "holy fuck I barely remember what I have for breakfast on a given day, now I have to rely on other people paying any attention to me whatsoever?"
I think the difference also is that Michael being a beautiful black American male, knows about police brutality and can't afford to even vehemently protest his innocence like Justin, a white American. he has probably lost friends /family to police brutality & racism.
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Bra d2021-05-30 00:53:32 (edited 2021-05-30 00:54:38 )
@Lilith Jesus Sure police brutality, note the sarcasm. That white guy was put in jail for 2 years even tho he was innocent, Michael was there for 3 days so yes its all about racism.
He probably does know what he's facing. He's black. Black people know they're going to be falsely accused an rarely believed. Glad it worked out for him this time. But it has to be traumatizing.
I'd be on the floor having a heart attack if some random woman falsley accused me of breaking in her home and assaulting her. Especially if her name was Candy.
@Bra d .... Yes, Michael was in jail for over 3 days (3 days!!!) before a real cop reviewed his case details. Michael was awarded $46k for this deliberate fiasco, and the loser cops were merely demoted. They should have been subjected to jail time and something on their records, like attempted murder.
@FissionPhoenix I'd be a fucking wreck i have the absolute worst affliction of anxiety when interacting with those who have authority over me because of a teacher in 4th grade so that, combined with my ASD, leads me to shut down completely (sometimes even in tears) in these situations because in my head, i fucking know, anything i say is going to make the situation worse oh and if they yell at me? good luck ever getting a peep from me that isn't uncontrollable sobbing and incoherent begging to see my mother, my fiance, and to just go home, likely in that order, all the while curling into a ball as much as i can in my chair
@MultiSweetheart6 I mean. People use the term police brutality for anything.
Dude stabbed a kid and tried to shoot a cop... And get got shot in the exchange? Was he black? Police brutality. The cops are racist
(Literally happened) girl was actively trying to stab another girl with a knife and got shot by an officer who just arrived?
They BOTH were black? Police brutality. Cop was too violent and should of tried to de-escalate the situation. (When she literally was in swing of stabbing someone, like come on!)
Nah. What we got are community problems in America, we got people who can't think for themselves in America. But a racist problem? Sure there are racist people... But as whole? No.
@Zee King that’s exactly what I was thinking, he grasps the situation and obviously is slightly shaken up but he knows the truth will come to light which thankfully it did
@Lilith Jesus what are you talking about, "a beautiful black American male"? I really think he is a nice guy, but they way you put is being white means being a racist. That's super dumb. The officer was an ashole and got his penalty for it. We don't know if it was racist motivated or not. Now keep in mind it's not about skin colour for me it's about behaving and Michael seems to be pretty nice. He could be green or pink coloured. So stop putting people in categories
@Joe E... JUSTIN literally said that Candy's boyfriend has been convicted of domestic violence previously and he knows that it's been that the boyfriend attacked Candy and they're shifting the blame on him so that the boyfriend could walk free. JUSTIN said that IN THE INTERROGATION....... Oh my god you people 🤦♂️
@Zenna mok I mean, I could bring up cases where police brutality was said and done, but you could google or watch the news for that. Regardless, those cases you bring up, it doesn't change the fact that police brutality is a thing and is a problem, especially for black people.
And because I don't want to make other replies to address your other comments, I'll do it here. Now, I know you didn't just call somebody unsmart and say in your next comment that "more white people be falsely convicted", ooh baby, the education system has failed you. That's why you don't insult people when you don't know any better, or you'll come out looking like a straight fool.
Now that I got that off my chest, the bottom line is Racism is a problem in America, and you sugar-coating it as "community problems" is expected of you. What I find hard to figure out is why do some white people want to be victims so bad. Like, I'm sure there are black people who want to trade being shot up by police unjustly with white privilege, but whatever.
I was fuming watching Michael Dixon's interrogation. Imagine being tackled off a bus at midnight and then at 3 am some smug detective pulls you in and tells you youre guilty of something you have no involvement with, and furthermore that you have no chance to convince him of your innocence. I would be screaming at that guy. Luckily there was a very happy ending in this case, but I'm sure that there are thousands of cases where the innocent party sees no justice at all.
In the US he probably would have sat in county quite a bit longer than 3 days and the investigators would not have got demoted and suspended without pay
Poor guy doesn't have an extravert personality. But his confidence was enough for me. I have to admit I loved when he said good, great you have video footage. I hate jagoff cops!
that's like the most introvert thing to do. I mean, I'm an introvert, I was in a simmilar (yet not so grave in consequences) situation, and I was not only calm, but cheerful, joking and super polite. The thing about extroverts is that they tend to mirror their surroundings - amount of stimuli that they absorb are similar to that they give back (sometimes they give back a bit more ;) ), so when accused, they fight back or try to be louder than their accuser, while introverts go with learned or patterned behaviors - they take in, save for later to process, they give out something different, based on their experience (like - be polite when talking to police, avoid agression) or give back nothing at all and shut in.
I can totally feel this guy, but that said - it takes A LOT of trust to be that cheerful. That guy must be lucky to never have been abused by the system or endangered by procedures.
@anddudewaslike well that's bkoz it was in Canada. NOT the USA where cops have zero accountability but things are soon changing and the police will be the ones afraid of citizens. You will see.
Why are the Police allowed to lie. If they want the truth they should be truthful themselves. I feel a real sadness for those who end up in prison for something they didn't do.
Dispatch: "We're looking for a short white guy" Police who arrest tall black guy "The evidence i have is frankly conclusive and overwhelming, so i'm not even gonna ask you if you did it"
"all demoted and suspended without pay" Good. This kind of consequence seems to be somewhat lacking for incompetent and reckless policing. The detective in this video deserved worse for locking up an innocent person for 3+ days.
Now take in the fact that this has happened and happens countless times across America. And not every wrongfully accused person is savvy enough to thwart shady law enforcement practice. They don’t care about getting the truth; they care about getting a conviction.
They just followed the script. The detective was likely not even among those who made the arrest. At this point in time maybe didn't even know what the dispatch said. And their script is to always tell the suspect they know everything, in the hopes that the suspect will then start talking. They do this to absolutely everyone they arrest. It's standard procedure.
Friendly reminder: Don't talk to cops. There is NOTHING to be gained. Especially if you are innocent. Everything you say can and will potentially be used AGAINST you. Even if you are absolutely sure, one wrong chosen word can be your downfall. Just don't do it. Please.
Or if they find any discrepancies in what you tell them, they will just say you lied to investigators and either add that as a charge or use it to argue your guilt if they can’t prove anything else. Judges and juries fall for that all the time.
@James Henry most of us can’t afford attorneys like Baez though, or wouldn’t be lucky enough for them to want to represent us pro-bono (probably pro-boner in CA’s case)
THIS. All you say is your name and your place of residence. THAT'S IT. The answer to any other question will be "I want my Lawyer." A Lawyer has the tools and know-how to force an examination of security footage, for instance - something which would have seen the first man freed immediately.
This is how they do it, and they don't care if you're actually guilty or not - most of the time, a conviction is a bonus on their paycheck or reputation, and they will do anything to try and get you to confess, falsely or not, and if that doesn't work they will take apart your statements and twist them until they resemble an admission of guilt. You could be explaining how something isn't possible using a hypothetical, and they will use that hypothetical as evidence. YOU CANNOT WIN.
Simply say, "I am invoking my 5th and 6th Amendment rights (in the USA). I have nothing to say to you and I want an attorney immediately." Then kick back and take a little nap until the lawyer arrives. They'll probably keep jawing at you for a few minutes but just ignore anything they say.
@stellar really? if you search a little you will find plenty of cases reminiscient of CA's, both men and women. Difference being, men can get away if they got the power and influence, women just by "virtue" of having a set of internal sex organs.
The police will never EVER use a suspects words to defend him in court, they will only and always use anything the defendant says against him in court. if a crime is serious enough to go to court, let the judge, jury and lawyers sort it out. The police will never be on your side.
My buddy is a defense attorney graduated from Duke Law, and he said he can't possibly imagine a scenario where it's a good thing that his client talked to the police.
Funny you say that, right in the side bar in the recommended section there's the video "Don't Talk to the Police" by the Regent University School of Law. Great watch and I recommend everyone give it a watch too
THIS video is the perfect example of what goes wrong with the Justice system. For anyone who says "If you did nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, then there is nothing to worry about when the police interrogate you." Or people who say "If you've got nothing to hide, then you won't mind the government watching you, reading your emails, getting you on camera, searching your car, searching your home, etc."
The justice system is first and foremost to protect the INNOCENT, and only then is it supposed to prosecute the GUILTY.
@frossbog I wouldnt even say the first part. Just say " I'm not speaking to you, I want my lawyer." Otherwise literally don't say anything else. Not a single word other than that phrase. Also, this is paramount to remember, is that the police will lie to you, try to provoke you, and try to be nice to you to build a rapport. Realize that everything, everything they say to you is calculated to manipulate you into breaking down and talking to them. Stay strong. They'll likely try to mess with you by cranking the AC or tightening your cuffs or cuff you to the wall in a stress position. Remember all of that is better than talking to them.
Lmao the funny part is that all these comments are talking about innocent until proven guilty but I guarantee less than 5% of you are consistent with that.
Almost everyone is talking about Michael (who to be fair was extremely intelligent and interesting to watch) but hardly anyone is talking about Justin. He was innocent, however he had to spend two years for a crime he didn’t commit. People who aren’t as patient and intelligent as Michael would fall right into the trap, like poor Justin. Hope he got justice in the end…
@Kassassin Prawn are you sure my guy, the white dude had it worse, and he spoke out, the black dude got 46K for that interaction when the white dude got 2 years in jail, the black dude didnt speak out because the video literally said he was an introvert and turned down a promotion offer because he was scared of public speaking, the dude was obviously not a fan of talking to people as much as others, so why would he want to raise his voice, like come on dude, are you delusional or something?
I took note of this as well, I guess because Michael was so incredibly chill. Anyone who knowingly makes false allegations against someone should face prison time! We have an issue in America where you are no longer presumed innocent until guilty, you are guilty until proven innocent! This is a horrific stance..I’d rather a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison.
@T just because his comment isn't showing doesn't mean Kassian deleted it, if the comment was reported too many times it just automatically gets deleted by YouTube servers or even the video uploader could have deleted it for whatever reason he wants
@Misguided Angel The point was that his comment wasn’t there and I was curious as to what it was. Although some of that information you gave me were things I didn’t know, so I appreciate it.
@T no worries, I understood what your point was, that his comment was no longer there, I was just letting you know there are more seasons then "he deleted it" for why it's no longer there. As far as what his comment was, looking at the replys, I'm gonna assume he said something about the US system being unfair to Michael, most likely even racist and then everyone replied "Canada not the US", since Michael's case took place in Canada.
This world is ripe to eat you whole. It doesn't matter who you are if you're accused you better damn well believe they're going to try and lock you up. Eff the system!
That cop that lies about video is the absolute worst. He doesn't even entertain the fact that the suspect could be innocent. He didn't even listen to the description of the criminal from the 911 call.
Complete ineptitude and wilful ignorance are two of my biggest pet peeves.
@Trashmammal Also dispatch calls rarely get 100% of the info correct so officers need to find out on their own. For example, just watch any Cops/Live PD episode.
@Trashmammal Just to fill a quota? Why is there a freaking quota anyway? To let shit like this happen? Who cares if he's innocent, right? Gotta get my promotion. So let's lie and get him into jail, so I can buy a car.
@LordKeiferton but… they were trying to find out if he was guilty in the part I explained. The rest of the parts I can understand where you’re coming from…
And it took over 72 hours for a SEPARATE investigator to get him out. Clearly this investigator didn't do shit for 3 days while an innocent man was being more than mildly inconvenienced in a jail cell. But 46k for 3 days of my time is a deal I'd take any day! Haha
@Bri no but the fact that he was not only lied to by his interrogator but also did not fit the description do the better yet imprisoned could infer such. Then again we were not there when he was arrested so we would not know.
Its a method they use, if ur guilty and they tell u theres a chance ur innocent, ur gonna fight waaay harder than if they say the for sure know its u. The truth game out and its also a method they use too see how the person whos getting accused reacts.
Me, I'd have the biggest shit eating grin. I'm about to get a shit ton of money from the state depending on if they realise they f-d up in time. Damn, easy money especially if you do time.
I dont know if anyone has mentioned this yet but why is the person they use as an example the icon instead of the the person that is the subject of the story?
Even worse are those who were sentence to DEATH and were later proved innocent....The USA for-profit system is especially good at locking up innocents.
@aartadventure The ebb and flow of who gets arrested seems at least in part to do with keeping the jails full and profitable. And when they are full, they let the criminals go. Little to do with justice, and people who can't afford a lawyer get easily sucked into the matrix. Then they cant get jobs and reoffend.
Michael Phillips2021-01-01 20:08:38 (edited 2021-01-01 20:20:38 )
@aartadventure ''Especially good'' compared to who? The American system follows english common law. On top of that there's massive constitutional protections. The average citizen has more 'rights' and legal protections then most of modern world, if you were sit down and go through the protections you'd be blown away.. The 5th amendment was created for exactly this reason (you convicting yourself) and as soon as your arrested you start being informed of that important right. Through rights He was innocent in law's eyes and that cop needs him to admit this,, People are just ignorant to fact how important that right is. Nothing can be gained by talking to police in a suspect aspect - if your lawyer attempts to cite the interview its ''hearsay'' it literally only can be used against you...... Don't get me wrong the american is miles from perfect but compared to much of the world its extremely good
@Michael Phillips If the video examples shown (along with many other false US convictions, and the recent BLM movement issues) don't persuade you to think something is wrong, then I certainly won't.
But if you are curious, I'd rather face the police and legal systems in most European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc, before the US system.
@Michael Phillips well, European justice system works much better and protects the rights of the citizens much better. Northern European countries are infact ranked as the safest countries on Earth, compared to the high crime rates in the USA, which are the highest in the western world.
@HisWordisLife exactly. Prevention is better than the cure. Especially, preventing ex-criminals from commiting other crimes is better than re-jailing them after they did so. That's why in many European prisons, prisoners get an education and learn professions, so that once they leave the prison, they can easily find job as a plumber, electricist, painter or any other work. Most crimes occur because of the criminal being poor and uneducated, most of the times unemployed. Therefore, granting better possibilities to an ex-criminal to find a job, will drastically lower the crime rates in the country. That's why re-educating criminals is better than just punishing them.
@p. f. Investing them and giving them a choice. Seems criminals in our society don't really have a choice after they have a record. I don't think pedos should be let out again' I have a hard time with that one and serial killers.
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p. f.2021-01-02 20:13:03 (edited 2021-01-02 20:13:35 )
@HisWordisLife exactly. Everyone, at some point in their lives, makes mistakes. Everyone, nobody excluded. It's just part of being humans. Why then should we not give a second chance to those who make a mistake? We are humans, born to make mistakes. Criminals need to be given the chance to redeem themselves, to pay for their mistakes and show that they learnt. And especially, show that they know how to avoid repeating the same mistake. After all, Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum. Making mistakes is human, repeating the same mistakes is evil.
@p. f. I agree but some people are unable to be rehabilitated. There is a very high likelihood they will reoffend and really hurt or kill others. What can we do about that? Like pedos and serial killers...
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p. f.2021-01-02 20:58:44 (edited 2021-01-02 21:00:11 )
@HisWordisLife well. they of course cannot be readmitted into society, or else they will hurt other people and themselves. Perhaps, they could, to atleast redeem themselves and show remorse for what they did, work for free, as charity. Perhaps by a non-profit organisation that cooperates with the government and such, like distributing food to homeless and such. Or, they could work for public benefit, like picking up trash on the streets, or even work as manpower for building streets and such. Of course, always under surveillance of guards. After all, it's not forced labor if it is only for volunteer prisoners ;) Prisoners get their food and stay payed by tax-payers, so it could also be a way to better invest money paid by the people via taxes.
p. f.2021-01-02 21:02:25 (edited 2021-01-02 21:03:14 )
@HisWordisLife something like "you killed a man. It was a mistake, but if you feel remorse and want a way to repair the damage, you can choose to work for charity. So instead of hurting people, you'll get an opportunity to help people." While this of course won't mean that they will be free men.
@p. f. I agree remember the Arizona State Prison system? Where they did hard time without cable TV or gym memberships, etc. He had them working outside all day, and living in tents. Guess what happened to the crime rate in AZ? That's right...nearly zippo. In the olden days they used to make prisoners break rock used for public roads. Now the government has found a way to make money off that industry too. I don't think they should let serial pedos out ever. To me they are worse than serial killers and their sentences are so ridiculously lenient. Their sentences used to be the Dad's of the kids or the grandpas or uncles would take them out in the woods and beat them to death. They would never find them and no one ever said anything---they just disappeared.
@p. f. They should have to work and pay the victims and/or their families back that they hurt. Reparations. For a higher debt worse labor. Proportionately. I had cars and equipment and tools stolen out of our cars and we just had to eat it. kid stole my VW Bug right after I had a new engine installed in it and he played demolition derby with it and three other teens -- he totaled my car and bc it was so old I only had minimal insurance that did not include theft. I had one payment left to pay on it too. He went to jail, but I didn't get any money.
@Mohanad Bakain More people in jail the bigger the jail. Bigger the jail bigger amounts of tax dollars and other revenue going to it. More money in the system means more people want to keep it up and running (more convicts=more money). Those in charge want more convicts regardless of whether or not they did something wrong or right, they want bodies. That's why court rooms disgust me is because my word doesn't mean shit to them. If they want me or someone else to go to court, we'll be in Court. And unless I actually did commit it you'd better bet I'm going to fight for my freedom because I and hopefully anyone innocent watching this aren't going to accept a crime we didn't commit. But if you charge me for stealing soda in a water bottle I'm going away for a long time.
@Mohanad Bakain I'm not American either. But, the US prison system is owned and operated by private contractors (i.e. they make profit based on the number of people incarcerated). Since the shift from government operated prisons to private/for-profit, the US has seen the number of convicted criminals rise. Evidence points to prison companies lobbying congress etc. Police also gain promotions based on successful convictions. Also, in the US, prisoners have to buy things from the commissary from their own money - even basic items but at inflated prices. Profit is made on this too. In the USA, more prisoners = more money.
@John Be Bad The government does not run the prisons they have outsourced them to for-profit business. Our government hires them based on a contract. If they stay full the for profit enterprise makes the most money.
@Bigwinboard You figure if they can lie and keep you in custody you have no power if you can't afford a lawyer, so you don't want to make it worse by fighting so you just give in.. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
the American justice system does not care about facts or the truth. Their only concern is what they can get 12 people to believe! And I can prove this! A police officer is only allowed to make statements in a court of law that pertain to your guilt. If, by some extremely strange and very rare instance that they have information that would, in any way, shape or form, point to or even prove your innocents, it is considered to be "here say" and not allowed as testimony in a court of law! I mean they are absolutely forbidden to speak to your innocents unless the officer was an eye witness, and let's face it, if that be the case, you're either not charged or they're lying and you're going to prison plain and simple
@Picture me trollin So why doesn't it work the other way round? When they testify when they are not there, what can they say? There testimony is hearsay as well if they weren't eyewitnesses; they should only be able to report the facts they witnessed. Is that what you mean?
@P I Because if they can lie and keep you in jail seems they can do anything to you. if they are all powerful and you have none and they are not motivated by doing the right thing, they could hurt you worse. That is my logic anyway.
It's not about fighting back, its about exhibiting guilty vs innocent behaviour. Assuming no malpractice has occured during the interrogation, it is extremely unlikely for someone who is innocent to exhibit guilty behaviour.
That's why they love pushing plea bargains. A person is essentially forced to play a game of Russian roulette, example; risk 15 years or more, or accept a plea and admit to guilt when innocent and do 3 years. Prisons have loads of innocent people housed within them. It's the crooks at the top of the power structure who most need to be there, but they (Sabbatean-Frankists) control the system via their masonic foot soldiers (cops, judges, prosecutors, AG's, etc.)
@NotitiaRecolligo yes. I didn't even think about the plea bargain nonsense; I do not think most of the prisons are full of innocent people but surely there are many. The guilty criminals will always lie and the innocent ones will tell the truth and say they didn't do it...so it is understandable hard to know for us who is telling the truth. There are too many gangs. They collaborate secretly. Masons, police officers, people who go to the same religious gatherings...not necessarily Christians. Satanists, pagans, mormons stick together and stick their necks out for one another like that too.
Police work on numbers. They get more funding the more arrests make and convictions they get. Getting the right person isn't even their goal. It's just getting a person. Any person. Guilty or innocent, they don't care. As long as they hit their numbers, the captains get their bonuses, and the station gets it's funding - that's all that matters.
@Biden Trump They don't want to believe we live in a world where it could happen; it is overwhelming to know it, and they feel helpless to do anything so their defense mechanism kicks in: DENIAL Plus it is nebulous and not easy to prove.
Why your reply should never be more than one word, Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer. Never ever interact with these people who are legally allowed to lie during & throughout interview. There only interest is making a case that can convict, your innocence or guilt has nothing to do with it. Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer
Michael is such a polite, patient man, and my heart cried for him but even more for the 2nd man, that he spent over 2 years in jail because I could feel his emotions when he is proclaiming his innocence. It’s just so wrong, the desperation he felt came through in his voice and behavior. Just heartbreaking.
I felt really really sorry for both of them. The second guy sounded so upset, as well he should have been. I really hope he got paid compensation too. :(
Police officers like this should not just be demoted they should be fired immediately. The could have destroyed a man's life and refused to look into his alibi. If I were to do far less than this at my job I would be let go immediately. The issue with government employees is they are normally given a great deal of power but receive no real consequence when they abuse that power. A demotion for wrongfully imprisoning a man? They probably didn't even receive a decrease in their pay or if there was one it probably took them from $80,000 a year to $75,000.
@MY NAMA CHEF i mean it could be a coincidence. And im not talking about this comment because that would be tedious. Everybody is thinking the same thing anyway. Im just talking overall, like if someone copies something someone worked hard on thats a problem. Not talking about a dumb yt comment. Thats what im talking about, and whoever copies something from someone should know who made it because they copied from them, so maybe you're brain is not working today.
@Riyana Gupta okay but this isn't a thread about artwork or music or any of that, people were arguing over comments being the same. Why do you feel the need to make yourself look ignorant? And annoying? Like what need do you have to be like that?
@Sandra Swan it's funny how he said "it's ALMOST word for word " and not Verbatim! Plus, out of 57k comments it was bound too happen that some comments would be similar. FFS!
@MY NAMA CHEF it is the internet; you’re not wrong.
HOWEVER, the act of calling out ill-intent where it lies is one of the things that keeps the world spinning. If we suck up everything-even the little things-and allow the tolerance to grow, eventually it will lead to the destruction of self and others. I don’t intend to antagonize, and I don’t agree with calling someone out for the sake of hurting them, but tolerance under the guise of expected “crime” is not a good habit; we shouldn’t look away to harm on the internet just because it’s the internet and people get harmed. It’s a vicious cycle and leads to destruction.
@:D authority figures often have the highest noticeability when it comes to injustice, but racism and all other forms of prejudice are everywhere, not only, and perhaps not even as focused as we think, in cops. I am fully against prejudice and racism, and have often struggled to find peace with the idea of corruption in authority figures, but we also have to remember that from cop to cop, entire lives, and with them, motives, are passing by. Some people go into it with a drive for power. These are most likely to be in the positions you are referring to. Others, however, seek true justice. This is the proper motive to seek a job like this, and it is hugely important that we remember that there are still good-hearted guardians in a world often dominated by corruption and hatred.
@MY NAMA CHEF it is irrelevant what I personally believe to be right or wrong, but as a matter of individual morality. I intend this as a matter of principle, not of hurt feelings.
@Sashi Yes, but I meant a as a matter of MY individual morality. In other words, I’m not trying to impose MY moral framework on to anyone else, but to ensure that they are truly seeing theirs. That could have been said clearer on my part, sorry.
Once again, it is not a matter of hurt feelings, but rather the intent to harm or to steal in general. These are things that must stop, and, as petty as it may seek, I will speak up about it. I know there are many people who are discouraged and wish to simply overlook behavior like this. They tend to not like people like me, but I will not “get off the damn internet” just because you are guilty of quite the same thing as me in your own way-you are “wasting your time” searching and making mountains out of molehills, if you will-and appear to be unable to handle the conflicting it brings. I’m sorry if I offended you with anything I said, but in truth what I say is among the least harmful in most commenting sections. If you’re going to insist someone leave, perhaps your actions would be better suited against one that causes harm, not a petty “pretentious” fool like me.
Also, for the record, this is not a pretentious act. I’ve always been rather philosophical and morally driven, and to those with a high tolerance for injustice and pain in general I appear to be highly sensitive. I think perhaps they are right, in a world quickly losing conscience, if I must.
@DarthSlobbius literally everything you've said is strongly attempting to impose your moral framework upon others. "Speaking up about it" is exactly that. Don't disguise it as some sort of chivalrous act.
Perhaps YOUR efforts would better be spent on things that actually do harm. I don't know, not a fuckin comment section on YouTube? 😂😂
@Sashi Regrettably you are correct, but still not in the most significant way. I still have no intent to “force” my will or demands on anyone to burden them with something that is not theirs. I ask you this: do you truly believe it is right to, verbally or physically, attack someone else for unknowingly violating a boundary? This is a theoretical situation, but it presents good opportunity to bring to light universal values.
If someone lacks all empathic capability, they are deemed ill, and massively mentally disfigured at that. In other words, there are certain moral tendencies that exist, to some degree, in every person (save psychopaths). Some have stronger moral compasses, but they are present in all of us. Values can be and are learned, but there are also core understandings we have as human beings that we all share.
Here’s the catch: they, with enough perseverance, can be unlearned. This process is becoming easier and easier in the world we find ourselves in, and so it is that you come across those who are willing to trample on others for all kinds of reasons, worst of all for selfish pleasure.
Perhaps the most obvious of the core values is to protect and do no harm to the innocent. Whether or not we wish to believe it, we are all born with an innate desire to protect purity in all its forms. This desire is weakened and deformed throughout life, but it is still a core principle that must be guarded against those who have let it become twisted and faded.
The phenomenon of the frog in the boiling pot describes well the way in which we justify horrific acts of malice toward others, either as a bystander or a the offender, or even as the victim. The point of all this is to say that, regardless of the priorities of the group, or the feelings that are hurt, these core principles cannot be violated; I uphold my belief, not because it is my own, but because it is shared deeply within all who write in this thread. Would you stand up in the face of bullying? Racism? I expect at least part of you would want to, and that is the part that desires justice and purity and peace. Listen to that voice. It is not easy to face off against a world that is attempting to strip us of conscience. It is a refined process now, and we have to be prepared to fiercely defend what we believe in, no matter what others say or what they’ll do.
This is why I defend in the most meaningless of places. This is why I do not tolerate hatred and blind rage toward anyone, and instead request calm discussion and intellectual progress. I am annoying to many, but if just one man benefits, I believe the cost is well worth it; those who don’t want to listen will move on in a matter of minutes and never look back.
Long story short, I will not leave simply because you find me annoying or superficially hurtful. Once again, I’m sorry if I truly hurt you; that was never my intent, but I will not be swayed to ignore our core principles. No one else stands up for them, so I will. I will speak up no matter who laughs, or jeers, or hates. They will always come to point fingers, but soon they will find that the are pointing at the parts of themselves they cannot bear.
I want to emphasize that I do not claim to be infallible in the slightest sense, nor do I hold any sort of self-righteous attitude toward you or anyone else. I see it for what it is: a group full of hurt and pain that neglects to defend those who cannot defend themselves. The desire for peace is ultimately a universal one, tainted by various shortcomings of the world. Don’t let that dictate the rest of life for us.
And I'm sorry that you have the personality of an annoying person. You've mentioned several times that people find you annoying, which indicates to me that you've been told that several times, and you've decided to just be yourself anyway. So, kudos for that, at the least. Right now, you're not being annoying, I'm just confused why you need to try to justify thinking that copying other people's work is so wrong when it doesn't hurt anyone (in this case), especially with so much unnecessary detail.
@Sashi people only find me annoying when there is something happening, such as any type of bullying, that I care to call out that they don’t like to hear. Otherwise, I’m pretty chill. I’ve actually been part of quite a few “cool” groups in school. They in themselves have a lot of negative tendencies, but it’s an honor… I guess lol.
It is (much) less about the literal act of copying, and more about the mindsets and motives behind certain actions.
I certainly did not place myself at any higher moral ground than any others. We all have these desires. I simply give way for others to follow, which they sometimes do. And in any case, the fact that you try to throw in my face that my words have an impact on no one is simply false. For many, it is true, but those who have hardened their hearts will not be hurt anyway. Those who wish to listen will walk away with a different perspective that they may find helpful.
@DarthSlobbius defending against bullying is fine, and noble. I assume you're still in high school or shortly out of it. I meant specifically this conversation; your words aren't going to impact anyone. You seem to have an infatuation with assuming that you've hurt me or others. I found that odd and had to point out that you aren't hurting anyone with your words, especially online. Copying and pasting a joke isn't some sort of bad mindset any more than repeating a joke you heard.
I do have to point out the arrogance: you say you're not posturing as morally superior, but then claim you're paving the way for others. You might think you're being humble, but a truly humble person wouldn't think or say such things about themselves. In fact, if you were to ever meet a truly humble person, you likely wouldn't notice anything in particular (CS Lewis). Your statements here resound with pride and reinforce the moral superiority. If you truly didn't believe that your opinion on this is the "better" path, you would have stated your opinion and accepted the ridicule that followed, rather than continuing to double down on how bad this is, and retracting the intent of your original comments to say that you meant other, undefined situations. That's a defensive mechanism after you realized how laughable it is to gatekeep comment copying.
I'm bringing it back to the comment copying specifically because that's what the conversation was about. 🤷♂️
witnesses don't always give accurate descriptions. it happens literally all the time. nobody near the crime scene except for him after someone ran, they're going to arrest him. a shit situation.
"arrest the tallest black man they can find"
considering he was the first and only person they ran into after they cleared the alleyway means they didn't have to search very long or hard.
🙄 He was the only person in the alley. I guess in your haste to label someone a racist you failed to hear JCS say that they most likely didn’t read the call logs to see that they were looking for a short white guy. Miscommunication happens and it can happen even more in fast paced situations.
@TheFireBall 321 there should be no room for shit like this in the justice system. Losing your job because you’re negligent is different than a court room setting.
@TheFireBall 321 The fact that he's interrupting peoples lives from negligence it's a safe bet it's not the first time he's done so. suspension without pay to investigate previous work and then fire him if it's found this isn't an individual incident.
@C00kii0 sure i bet he has done it more than this one time, cant hold that against him, we aren’t 100% sure, just guessing based of what they did this time
@TheFireBall 321 no there’s no room to assume in the legal system. You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody is guilty, putting peoples lives on hold,because the detective can pull fake “evidence” out of his ass is bullshit.
@TheFireBall 321 Hol' up, do you understand that somebody's life is permanently altered if they get caught arrested? The amount of damage that could be done is insane, imagine lives that could've been essentially wasted.
Look kid, being an investigator is a super hard and with there being a lot of different situations where you are interrogating a human. Humans are unpredictable, a human that looks innocent may be a serial killer and so the police have to make drastic decisions. So I think it’s a double edged sword where people can be wrongfully convicted, you can even get the right person. Sometimes the cops can do wrong things
@TheFireBall 321 cops aren’t allowed to tell blatant lies (ie “we have video evidence of you”) to get a confession. They can lie about a lot of things but not about specific evidence like this detective does here.
@TheFireBall 321 not to mention he didn’t have the solid evidence he claimed he had to even hold him over night. He doesn’t even fit the description, this goes beyond one officer and really shows how racist the entire system is. Over 8 police officers made the decision to arrest, interrogate, and hold this man solely bc he fit their idea of a criminal, not off of evidence. They all deserved to have consequences, and the detective is definitely more responsible for what this man went through, but it’s clear from his arrest to his release that this is a systemic issue, not an isolated one.
@TheFireBall 321 as others have pointed out the problem is they arrested this man based on the color of his skin. It's really hard to explain why multiple officers believe a tall black man is somehow the same as a short white man that an eye witness saw. They didnt investigate his alibi and ignored the clearly contradictory evidence in favor of their personal opinion. That is one and done and there should never be a second chance for a cop that ignores justice and evidence in pursuit of personal opinion.
@sirdrum My high school had a Legal Studies class that was optional but recommended -- I learned about my rights as a minor and then also once I turn 18. I learned that I do not need to consent to a search of my vehicle. I learned that police are allowed to lie to me but I am not allowed to lie to them. Every kid should take this class!
@jammi they can say it a different way, but you NEED to tell them they have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law, etc.
@jammi LMAO what are you talking about!? The wording may vary state by state. But in the United States, no matter what state you live in LEOs are obligated by the Constitution to read you you're Miranda rights before questioning ensues.
@Kailynn Carrasco If you were a minor, the officers were especially obligated to have read you your rights. They had to even if they didn't intend on questioning you. Disgrace to the uniform.
@Mark Dlugosz I'm curious about the whole "I want to speak to an attorney" thing in Canada. In America, if you tell the cops you want an attorney, they have to stop the questioning, because anything obtained between then and when the attorney arrives, is considered poisonous to the case. Michael said "if this is.... I think I need an attorney, I want an attorney", and then the prick continued to talk over Michael, and continue to lie to Michael. Shouldn't that be illegal in CA too?
@Koolaid Man Dude, your allowed to lie to police 5th amendment, unless they grand jury you they can't make you tell the truth. Even then they can't make you say anything anyway bro. Stay safe.
Couldnt it also be a racial difference between the two, contributing to his 'unique' calm composure, seemingly hes logical and / point being, trained to be more patient with authorities in hopes his innocence will be better conveyed.
While on the other hand, the frustration and defensiveness can be also highlighted due to his past, obviously, and the emotional connection, again obviously, but also the connection where he was actively avoiding drama in his life which hense became unavoidable. Very frustrating with the lack of feeling control not just within the room.
Shit IS THE BIGGEST BULLSHIT he was in county for two years fightin a case…time you cant get back and they just “sorry we made a mistake”
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Gary Lee2022-04-04 00:16:53 (edited 2022-04-04 00:17:28 )
Man: Hello boss? I am truly sorry I won't be able to come to work for a couple of days or so.. but promise I'll tell you everything about it on my Welcome back Party! 🎉👍🍻
He doesn't have to. You're the investigator. It's your job to collect and show evidence that the accused was at the scene. The burden of proof is always on the individual making the accusation.
He doesn’t have to but if he could have provided an alibi it would help with the release. Police and court aren’t the same thing. It’s in court where there is assumption of innocence but police can held you with there reasons they had. Which were the criminal record and a witness.
He already had an alibi, known as the truth that he was at home. Once he said that it’s on them to get the mother to confirm it then find evidence to place him at the crime scene or find the person that was really there.
In the European Union, they can only retain you 24 hours or put you in the disposition of a judge. If you are detained for identification, it is 6 hours, but they do not have to take you back to the detention place, just release you.
@Sara Samaletdin Prior record isn't cause for reasonable suspicion. A prior record is only useful for giving the police officer an idea on how to approach a person. Secondly, innocent until proven guilty isn't something that only applies to court, it is the standard and the basic relationship between an individual and the government.
That’s exactly what I thought too. You should never have to prove you didn’t do something wrong. Any thought otherwise is a grave perversion on our justice system.
This has been so infuriating to watch and I can't imagine ever being in this surreal situation. I understand that there's a method to interrogations and detectives have a job to do. But, damn, is this hard to watch without grinding my teeth.
PLEASE do NOT think that that detective is following correct procedure. He should be able to detect certain body language to have an idea that he is innocent. People review the footage (of course), but the detective is meant to look for innocent / guilty body language in the moment
@JordDaLord 5 That's not entirely true friend... Body language is not hard proof. Some people are extremely good liars, and some people are extremely nervous by nature
The fact that an investigator can get a raise for getting someone to confess to a crime they didn’t do is honestly appalling to me, this is part of the reason why the justice system is corrupt.
They get an award if they can do it without evidence, not if they didn’t do the crime. Both are bad because the former encourages them to always assume guilty until proven innocent.
My dad went through the exact same thing, however because he is Autistic and a Pastor was found guilty because of how different he was. The prosecution and police found it really easy to create a narrative that the jury bought into from the beginning because of this.
Now we have to hope he survives four years in prison after this ordeal has given him a stroke, muscular atrophy, and now he can’t swallow anything either.
The system is corrupt and completely against you if you don’t fit society’s norms, as it’s easier to see someone different as bad than it is to see them for who they actually are. Plus all these prosecutors and police have massive egos and can’t stand the thought of being wrong.
I have a good friend who is a lawyer and tells me every day men are being accused of sex crimes by revengeful females. Also many times these type of woman convince their children that an ex boyfriend has sexually assaulted them. He said the police will find you guilty until proven innocent. Not only is this is terrible accusation against anyone who is completely innocent it also becomes a huge financial strain. If it goes to court and even if it obvious the person is innocent also found innocent the woman in court is found to be lying she will walk out of court not losing one dollar and they call this justice.
I'm 22 yrs old & have Autism. I've served over 730 days of custody in a supermax jail (not consecutively; been put in a total of 8 times) not to mention that at least 3/4 of the time I was actually out, I was on strict house arrest conditions. I was just recently found not guilty on all counts of the 5 false statements that were made against me. There was absolutely zero evidence against me personally - only totally unrelated circumstantial crap... Supposedly the police (at least here in Canada) only need to be 51% sure that the statement made COULD HAVE ANY POSSIBLE CHANCE OF BEING TRUE to make an arrest
That is my biggest fear. Being accused and found guilty of a crime I had nothing to do with. You hear about those people that had done 20 or more years in prison before being freed because they were indeed innocent. Yeah, they may get paid but what about the life you lost while in prison. Your parents could pass away, and you can't be there with them. Your children grow up without you. Your wife husband or whatever leaves you. I mean money can't bring any of that back. The police are not your friends and if you are without the means for a great legal counsel then it's basically a 70/30 shot that you are screwed. The 30 being in your favor. For some reason police detectives choose to swing a case their way even if it is not totally true therefore binding up some poor innocent person. NEVER talk to the police!! ALWAYS LAWYER UP!!!! Even though you have an over whelming urge to tell them everything because you are innocent. WHAT YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE SWITCHED AROUND TO BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. Is really what they should say.
The way he was trying so hard to get him was pathetic. I love the fact that he was awarded money. I have always said that if you are in prison for a crime and end up being found innocent They should be legally required to compensate you financially for that.
Right, it should be at least $10k/day you’re in custody… And it should come out of the Police Department’s funds. And out of the specific officer’s if it’s proven that missteps were to be strictly by him.
Love that ending. Can’t believe that detective didn’t immediately Investigate the man’s alibi. Evil behavior to keep an innocent man locked in jail for 3.5 days like that….
It's scary to hear that investigators will try to get a confession out of you because it's good for their career. People with low self esteem and ppl that are easily being manipulated could really end up in prison without being guilty. ;(
Loving this channel. First thing u learning law enforcement is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. Also ur not there only to prove guilt, but possible innocence. U must investigate both guilt of innocence
Got a settlement, and all parties responsible were demoted.. I'm glad accountability kicked in on this one. Sir.. You have a better temper than I would have. I hope life has treated you well after this.
If being questioned by police for any reason, always have a lawyer. Or at the very least know that they will say or do anything to make you confess even if you didn’t do it. The fact that we consider conduct like that constitutional is beyond me
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Han Wagu2022-02-04 05:35:49 (edited 2022-02-04 05:43:37 )
it's not a simple case of innocent vs guilty. The issue is when the authorities know you are guilty because they believe you are guilty without actual definitive proof. NEVER EVER help the authorities by talking to them without an attorney, especially if the authorities are controlling your environment. Michael was told he was under arrest but still wanted to help the authorities by answering questions. Justin was arrested and had handcuffs on, but still wanted to answer questions. If someone is controlling your environment (e.g. restraints, tiny room, two way mirror, etc), they are no longer your friend regardless of if you are innocent or not.
It absolutely scares and appals me how investigators get rewarded and promoted for getting innocent people in jail, after coercing them using lies and bluff into confessing to something they didn't do while there is no evidence to prove their guilt. And the investigator talking to the first guy, doing just that, dares to talk about how truth is paramount and he's got nothing to gain by falsely accusing him. I wonder how he doesn't get struck by a lightning out of a clear blue sky.
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Matthew Bartke2022-02-16 21:02:05 (edited 2022-02-16 21:14:11 )
13:50 "I'd like a lawyer then." "No, you're already guilty." "Did you talk to the bus driver or the people on the bus?" "Not my responsibility. Have fun in jail."
Situations like this are why you ALWAYS get a lawyer. Even if it's a public defender and of its just routine questioning because nothing is routine with the police.
After having watched quite a few interrogation videos, I think I'd be locked up for good if I was arrested for something I didn't do. I'd just be numb and bewildered by the situation trying to wrap my mind around wtf is happening. I wouldn't freak out as the bearded guy in this video. To me, all these techniques and telling 'signs' of someone being guilty are soooo shaky, fishy.
I think one of the issues that we have with our justice system is the fact that it hasn’t kept up with the times. If they have video footage showing a particular person supposedly in a particular place what is the harm in showing it to the person that they’re accusing of the crime. In this instance the gentleman keeps insisting that he wasn’t there and that there’s no way that the video footage is going to show him at this place that he supposedly robbed.
Was the cop allowed to claim that there were video evidence along the with multiple witnesses despite not having any information on the case? On top of having no evidence, to claim charges on the victim in order to scare him to say something? Is there no rules as long as the victim isn’t injured and a confession is made?
I've spent my whole life around law enforcement and I've been interviewed ALOT of times and trust me when I say they do this shit alot this doesn't surprise me at a all
I mean, every time I see these kinds of "fine officers" at work I start understanding the unrest. The temptation to punch that first "average KKK enjoyer" right in the kisser might be too much for me. And then I'd actually be in prison because this racist is safe from persecution.
Cops should not be above the law, why this isn't commonly understood in a lot of countries is baffling. Where I come from, the police are a lot better but not without fault. However, when this kind of abuse happens it usually ends in termination of employment and fines for the officers. But even then, it is not a matter of trust to get a lawyer, it's a matter of common sense, at least if you can afford it. Not anywhere would I go into a questioning without legal advice because my freedom is dear to me.
I hope these quote on quote "Detectives" learned a thing or two from their mistakes and actually do a more thorough investigation, and actually listen to the caller's descriptions and read the emotions of the suspect, hence why I think if they were to watch a video like this about the emotions of the innocent they would know what an innocent citizen looks like
Another terrible part of being wrongfully accused is in prison they’d be like “What you do” and he’d be like “I DIDNT DO ANYTHING!!!!” And they’d be like “Sure bud…”
Thank god someone checked this man's alibi people can't just go on the way people act we are all different I've been in this situation and spent 2 days in police cell then 7 days in prison had a big write up in local press then prosecutor released me didn't even get an apology never mind 50 grand
Perhaps the reason he is being so calm, composed and trying to be helpful, is just because he is a good man and has nothing to hide. But in fact you could also take into account his upbringing and knowledge of how bad and quickly things can go wrong when someone who is not Caucasian, can be treated when any level of resistance is given to any authorities in this or any supposed innocent situation.
Wow, how can you fuck up that badly? I happy for the guy at least getting some compensation for being put in jail for nothing. Would have been great to see the video footage that's supposed to show the accused if it even existed.
Also, just to give some insight. The accused man, Michael, may have acted this way due to repeated prolonged childhood abuse. When one accuses an innocent person who has been abused, often they don't react in the same way. That is what the Narrator was referring to. Just my perspective.
Or could just have good control over himself. Just because you feel emotions doesn't mean you have to indulge them and let them show in your demeanor.
For example, I sincerely hate half of my coworkers but because I want to be professional I don't let it influence my treatment of them at work. I bet the majority of them don't even know I dislike them because I never act on it or let it show externally. And that's a skill almost anyone can develop if they try.
He could be completely enraged or extremely annoyed or even fearful, but just not letting it show and remaining reasonable and complaint outwardly.
"I can assure you that I'll investigate this thouroughly" says the jackass that didn't look into anything. It's terrible that this is really how it is & I've said a million times that the cops aren't any help until after the fact. Smdh. That man has more patience in his pinky toe than I have in my entire body!!
never answere their questions without having a lawyer present - who will advise you to say nothing! Everything you can say to EXONERATE yourself can be said in court, on record. Otherwise it can and will be discounted or rejected as hearsay.
That first cop is about as unprofessional an investigator as u could possibly get. There is loads of Evidence to show who the suspect is and he obviously has not checked one single bit of it which would absolutely exonerate the wrong suspect
cops like that should be charged. and cops that wrongfully imprison someone should lose their badge. you're souly responsible for someones life and future and your bad police work changes someones life forever.
He was calm not only due to character but because he has some faith/trust in the police. He knows he didn't do it so he feels (wrongly) safe. This goes to show his naivety/ lack of experience, having never dealt with police before.
Thank god that they were suspended, it must be super terrifying to be falsely accused
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Miles Dyson2022-02-02 23:57:47 (edited 2022-02-03 00:06:35 )
11:31 I'm not sure if I agree with that analogy , Both of these suspects have different backgrounds in dealing with the criminal justice system lifestyle and would likely act different when being accused ? 16:10 I would have told him if he was doing his job then i wouldn't be sitting here and im going to sue for the lies and false arrest, maybe even could have been a race issue , it's possible with his English accent, I could see it, Just glad he was given Justice and those held accountable. I could respect that
i think these interrogation videos need to be reviewed by their own departments to find the dumbest Detective's and fire them immediately there was no reason that man was in that interrogation room to begin with not to mention the bullshit lies he made up i get that you have to pry for info but constantly lying about the situation isn't doing your job this man should of been disowned by his department
The wierdest thing about criminal psychology imo is I find that if the suspect is being confident, he's guilty for sure, and if he's nervous, he's definitely guilty as well. Then what's a sign to show he's not guilty or at least leaning to that side?
It's all about the specific situation it seems, you can't just umbrella statement to certain behaviors because some unnatural behaviors are natural to others, it's why you need to be extremely read up, educated and practiced in the role before you can make any sort of real judgement. That's not even counting for conditions like ADHD or autism that could affect behavior, essentially there is no clear sign and that's why you have to really make sure you're taking it on by a case by case basis.
"being confident, he's guilty for sure, and if he's nervous, he's definitely guilty as well"
False statement. If your understanding is so childishly superficial and black/white with absolutely no nuance then please stay away from this as a career.
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Lucky the Duck2022-03-19 09:43:33 (edited 2022-03-19 09:43:40 )
Dont ever become a detective, you will be like these detectives.
In the Canadian case Micheal said he wanted a lawyer. I don't know Canadian law but in the US the police must immediately stop asking questions once you say those magic words. They are not allowed to question you to find out if that was what you really meant, STOP! And they have this on video!
I understand that they demoted and suspended but Ik this isn’t one of those jobs you can fail this isn’t forgetting somebody’s apple pie this is traumatizing and ruining somebody’s life this far from protect and serve
I don’t understand how the police across the pond can blatantly lie about evidence during interviews, how they can assume guilt and not allow the suspect to give a first account, and how often they are seen to be interviewing suspects without giving them access to legal advice prior to interview.
I think race also plays a role in how he is presenting himself. He knows that any non-cooperation or aggression/anger, perceived or otherwise, is unfortunately going to be treated much less favorably by the police when coming from a black man than if it had come from a white man.
Not to mention the bearded guy was way more threatening looking than the bald dude. I think most people would be more threatened by the big dude with an aggressive posture.
What kind of police force can charge anyone without first collecting all the evidence and putting that to the suspect in order to prove or disprove innocence or guilt
When I was 18 I was driving in the back country roads going to a friends house, i drive those roads all the time and no one rides your ass or anything like that bc everyone drives pretty fast even though the speeds listed as 30-35, it was about 11pm at night and i pull onto the back road, and it’s the only road leading unto it for miles and miles, out of no where head lights and a light bar light up behind me and I have black out tint so the guy definitely had his brights on making it hard for me to see, I genuinely thought it was an alien abduction about to happen since it was impossible for someone to catch up to me going like 65-70 on the road and they had to be driving with their lights off to be immediately behind me like that, for a solid 8 minutes this car rides my ass out into the boonies and I take my doubt right turn to my buddies house with the car following me, (it’s a one house road and no one goes down it) I pull into his driveway and park my car leaving it on for like 4 minutes waiting to see what this guy was going to do,(not being 21 all I had was a 1960 ice pick I use for rock climbing in the snow) so I grab it and slowly step out of my car holding the pick out of view inside my car, at least 10 seconds pass of me holding my hand up into the air staring into the light of the car (i still couldn’t see the shape of the vehicle) then I hear “step fully out of your vehicle and put your hands in the air” the dude didn’t put his flashing light on yet so I didn’t budge, I made it clear I wasn’t going to move, then the lights come on and his brights shut off, with his gun in hand he stepped out of his vehicle, I immediately put my hands in the air bc I know cops shoot if the even think you have a rubber band, he tells me to take my wallet out and place it on the hood of my car, he goes into my car takes the key out and tosses it on my seat, I ask him what I did wrong and he says “I need to make sure your not a threat first” I instantly get scared thinking he’s gonna panic and shoot me since my back was turned to him after I placed my wallet on my hood, the cop took my ID and told me to stay put, as he walked back to the car, about 10 minuets pass, he fucking gets out of his car laughing and I still have no idea what’s going on, he tells me he’s sorry for following me so closely but my name “Jacob _____” came back with a multiple felon on the run and he thought it was potentially me and he just starts apologizing over and over while laughing, I wasn’t having it bc I just had a gun pulled on me and I ask him why he didn’t turn his lights on and tailed me for over 5 minutes while speeding, I was so mad I said “you drove with your lights off, speeded without your lights on and pulled a gun on me” the cop looks at me and says “do you want a ticket? I said “whats your badge number” he starts fucking laughing again and walks to his car and speeds around me doing a u turn to get back onto the main road.. literally the weirdest and scariest thing that’s happened to me and I’ve done a lot of shit
I'm happy the guy got the $46,000 but demoted and suspended without pay is not enough of a punishment for the cops. they should have been fired and fined if not put in jail. Human garbage like what we see here in this interrogator make me sick!
I like the end result. It's sad because if that would have happened in America I doubt there would be any suspension of the detectives or civil settlement awarded to the falsely accused.
It is insane to me that shouting enraged profanities at police is considered innocent behavior. They'd have to really provoke me to get me to that point because I would want to avoid pissing them off. Especially given how often they get away with beating the shit out of people, albeit that is normally during an arrest, not an interrogation.
ok I work as police officer in civilised country in Europe. We operate on fraction of budget of American police. Yet any of this couldn't happen here. If I came with these files as officer to our public prosecutor he would rip ME apart and give me eat those papers to remember I should do my job properly. This is insane......
The detective sounded more like a salesman trying a hard sell, I suspect he would do well to change jobs, where he can seek that bonus / commission / promotion, without doing "too much harm" to innocent people
listening to what happened to the people responsible for this guys arrest and imprisonment was like an actual victory moment. loved hearing that, glad they got what they deserve for messing up that guys week, hope it hurts for the rest of their lives.
Demoted only, that is someone's life you dealing with, they should of been thrown in jail and never been allowed to ever work in the justice system again .
lol Canadian police... i see what went wrong here. they tried throwing my brother in prison for stuff he didn't do, and they manufacture evidence regularly. its despicable.
tbh this is total bullshit i was in this situation being innocent accused and i didn't reacted like this at all i reacted like all guilty person afraid of what was coming afraid of what they were accusing me and affraid to not being able to proove i'm not guilty finaly the judge saw all of this when i came without lawyers to the judgement day i just talked with my own words and was free without any guilty (and i wasn't guilty )
So how did Michel get away with robbery when it's all on video
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jeremy bevan2022-02-06 15:09:43 (edited 2022-02-06 15:15:13 )
These interrogators aren't just playing mind-games. Their behaviour is actually INDIFFERENT. A character trait of a socio/psychopath. There is a high prevalence within the police. And that first policeman is English. Notice how he spiels off a load of good sounding sh*t. "The truth is paramouth.. " bla bla bla. Some people KNOW exactly what to say to sound proper, sincere and dutiful. Remember, some police don't care about justice. They care about convictions (or as the narrator notes, promotions/kudos/their ego). There are THOUSANDS of innocent people rotting away in every country. There are also certain Agencies, DAs & prosecutors who WITHHOLD exculpatory evidence in order to get a conviction. One of them is now the Vice President. Let that sink in!
“there’s 2 things people need to know about J to the R. O. C. ok, i spit more rhymes than a lazy susan, and i’m innocent until my guilt is proven. representing sunnyvale straight the fuck up”
ima am inoccent man being accused of a robbery that occurred in my neighborhood while I was out for work 3 hrs away from that location I have solid evidence that I'm inoccent yet I'm still having trouble with this case I've been stripped from my constitutional right I was never asked inoccent or guilty I was automatically placed as guilty to to a false statement made by one of my neighbors that was trying to get less time in jail for a crime he committed I dosent make sense to me that you just need a statement from a criminal no video evidence or nothing just a statement its stupied
Dude that is so f**** disgusting watching the first Mike guy be told they know he did it when he definitely didn’t!!!!! And I feel really bad for the guy who was wrongfully imprisoned for more then 2 years also!!!! This country and this world SUCK!!!!!!!
@Corrado Soprano Jr so lets say someone robbed a bank. Than the police starts accusing the man of murder, knowing he didnt murder anyone just to make him confess the bank assault?
@Corrado Soprano Jr I missinterpretated your comment sorry. It makes sense to lie like that and I think it should be done, but the problem really comes when they dont confess and are still arrested. Arrested because of an evidence that doesnt exist
@Sounds Nice Since you use a vague hypothetical, I can respond to it with one of my own:
You are picked up by the police, they insist that you have done a crime that you know you didn't do. The police, however, create this lie that they have video evidence AND eye witness testimony that incriminate you, and a confession will result in a much lighter sentence. You panic and decide you don't want them to push for a maximum sentence which will result in weeks of tedious and expensive court appearances, so you confess under this understanding that you will get a slap on the wrist, but instead they wave the signed confession in the courtroom and let the prosecutor decide how long they want to put you away for.
Sound outlandish? Well, watch the "Don't Talk to the Police" video (just search the title and you'll find it), and the lawyer speaking brings up multiple examples of police getting false confessions through lying and not caring they're incarcerating innocent people.
I guess an different way of putting it to directly respond to your question is: no, I would not prefer the outcome you described, IF I also knew those same tactics put INNOCENT people away. I'm of course arguing from principle, but I would consider it unconscionable to call such a method "justice" when the video itself shows how people who can be sentenced -- for crimes they didn't commit -- because the police used gas lighting tactics on them. Would YOU be ok with "getting the killer" if that meant that innocent people would be punished for crimes they are not guilty of?
@Xebec Outweighs the disadvantages??? Boy, we definitely do not see eye-to-eye on this. So, by your logic: someone who is innocent *but doesn't know their right to have a lawyer/plead the 5th*, and is gas-lit into falsely confessing should be deemed an acceptable loss to the system? You say that it's evil, but also are ok with the practice, because in your own words "there isn’t a whole lot better tactics to use." Lucky for you, you seem to know what to do if falsely arrested (although your simulated bravado won't do you any favors), but you seem to be forgetting that the less-informed -- which means a lot of people -- can easily be victimized by this underhanded and frankly disgusting practice.
Additionally, by the words you included in your comment, only the uninformed (*whether guilty or not*) will ever fall for the tactic, since the smart will always keep their mouths shut and wait for legal counsel. Sad how the "advantages" you mentioned kinda fade away with any type of serious organized criminals with codes of silence, or even just those who know their rights. You seem to think that putting innocent people behind bars is a necessary evil, as long as it does get some guilty people to confess without evidence, and I find that unfortunate.
@Corrado Soprano Jr Sorry to say it, but I reject your main argument on principle. Destroying innocent people's lives is justifiable if you "get the bad guy"? But when we see them accusing that man of a crime when he was literally picked up while getting off a bus, the police are FAILING to catch the real suspect, and their insistence that they have evidence of his nonexistent guilt is nothing short of sinister. If you're ok with calling innocent people being gas-lit into false confession an acceptable loss, then I'd say you've pinpointed a key reason our justice system is broken. Your disregard for the innocents falling victim to this practice is disturbing, to say the least.
As for those "crazy killer" stories: I've seen a few, and every single one depended on good investigative work and forensics. Absolutely none of the episodes I watched involved lying to a suspect who didn't know that he could plead the 5th and demand a lawyer. With the evidence each story described them getting, a confession would be useful, but they had more than enough to bring the suspect to trial without one.
LordMyron09 But it’s very rare for one who is truly innocent to be put to jail. Idk about you, but even while walking to jail I’d tell that guy I am not the one. I’d scream to his face you’ve got the fukin wrong person. I’m sure any innocent person would too, and if the cops do not have evidence and have a brain, they would see that they are innocent. Gas-lit into falsely confessing, I do agree that that is something disgusting. But it’s still not very smart for them to confess for something they didn’t do, thats like putting yourself to jail for free. If they have evidence, they can arrest you (or ask them to show you their so called evidence) otherwise you shouldn’t be confessing. After a false confession, what the cops should do however is get evidence or talk to them. But again, I don’t know why you would confess, theres no way out of it. The cops should make assurance that the person is guilty and there is no possibility of innocence, which certainly should be done in a situation of gaslighting the person to pick a lesser crime or if one is tired and wants to get out of a situation, im sure its not very hard for the interrogator to tell if thats the case. There’s probably been a lot of guilty people caught by this, murder, robbing, not very smart people and talk to the police thinking it’ll not make them seem guilty or something.
Basically, the process should be improved so it catches the guilty and not the innocent.
@Xebec Glad we can agree on the matter of wrongful confessions. However, we can talk all we want about what should be done, but it doesn't take much digging to find out what has actually been done by police. The stories about how police get false confessions and convict people with those alone is atrocious. We can even see one scenario in the video, where they were practically trying to browbeat the man into confessing something.
I fully agree that the protecting the innocent should be prioritized as much as finding the guilty. Sadly it would seem, from some of the other opinions others have shared, that a few wrongfully convicted innocents is worth "catching the bad guy" in enough instances.
@Xebec You also say it's rare, but look up the Innocence Project. I assure you, you won't find a shortage of cases that involved false confessions that derived from a variety of duplicitous and intimidatory means. You can say they're a small percentage, but they're nonetheless an unacceptable number given that each one was someone who had their life destroyed over something they never did. If that's not a reason for outrage, I don't know what is.
@LordMyron09 as the police state has tightened its grip, the public and the 'public servants' (thats what law enforcement is supposed to be) have become more and more comfortable toward locking up innocent people up rather than possibly letting a guilty person go free. The incentive for the government is profit. (Industrial prison complex) when a third of our citizens have a criminal record, clearly our justice system has a flaw. To clarify I'm talking about the usa, you might not be
The fact that they can lie about evidence on that level blew my mind, and I'm glad they got demoted and suspended for that. Great video, I really enjoyed it.
Spencer White They didn’t actually. Lying about evidence is perfectly acceptable under the law. The investigators got the punishment for not following procedures and not reviewing the dispatch report. If they did that and still did everything exactly the same, this guy gets nothing and they walk away from this scot free.
I mean it makes sense. If someone is in fact guilty and they think you have rock solid proof, they will generally start by admitting some association to the crime, albeit trying to mitigate their role. However, if you tell a dude you have video and witnesses proving he committed a crime and he is still espousing his innocence....he is probably innocent.
dea B There has been a change of interrogation techniques in Canada, they no longer use the Reid method (which is what you see in the interview here) but they are still allowed to lie about the evidence and other things. It’s a thin ice to walk on though because the judge can very well throw it out in case he/she thinks this put a suspect under duress. I mean, I agree that lying about evidence is and should be perfectly legitimate strategy, you just need to have enough safeguards in place that you’re not extracting a confession under duress, from people with mental illness, etc.
Terra Gaia2021-05-11 18:36:55 (edited 2021-05-11 18:37:08 )
And 3 days of captive with fear and frustration in return of 46 thousands. I say he didn't do bad. Oh and several of the investigators got demoted and suspended pay🤣
@Lenz C I couldn't necessary agree but yes. You need the reaction of protest and citizen outrage at the scale of George Floyd to see something. Shit like these such as Michael's case are one of the dozen out of millions per year swept under the rug. Michael just got lucky and American police system really needs some overhaul from head to toe.
he seems like such a sweeheart! he wanted to use his phone call to let his employer know he wouldn't be able to go to work the next morning and was so collected throughout the situation
When a man is falsely imprisoned, there is no retribution. Even if his name is cleared, Nothing in the world can recover what has been lost. The human life is finite and quality of life diminishes with age. The State has stolen quality years. Nothing can replace that. The state has tarnished the person’s honor, integrity and character. Money can not fix what has been done. Nothing can fix what has been done. I challenge anyone to find me recompense for this wrong.
Taking someone's freedom for 2 years is inhuman. that guy is more innocent than the judges that sentenced him because they had the power over him and he had no power even on his own life. What you said it 100% true and it is even worse, losing your freedom for 2 whole years is not like he slept for 2 years and woke up 2 years older, he had to endure 2 whole years of abuse he didn't deserve.
Not to belittle the injustice against Michael, but he lost just 3 and a half days of his life. The compensation plus the demotions and suspensions verify he was innocent. There's probably hundreds of thousands out there who lost years, decades of their life and get no compensation whatsoever. Nor are the perpetrators punished.
Michael received justice after the injustice. I have no idea how his reputation or socio-economic status were affected. But at least he has definite proof he was not guilty and was almost chewed by the corrupt cops.
What worse is that there are people that only proven innocent after more than half of their life or not even at all. There are probably many innocent death sentences.
@Nixton I guess I slacked off watching this because I missed the fact that the other guy was sentenced.
Such an evil cycle we're surrounded by. Doesn't matter if you're honest or innocent. Wrong place at the wrong time or simply a lying witness followed by lying cops can ruin your life. The worst thing is most of us still think the system cares about guilt or innocence. It doesn't change, because millions think everything is A-Ok as long as they don't happen to be chewed by this monster.
lmao that is totally true when it comes to years at a time but imagine sitting in jail for 3 days to get 46 thousand dollars instead of working for a year or more lmao fkn jackpot ur mad
@Nixton 8:55 He was exonerated. He spent two years in jail for another crime earlier in his 20s. He said he was trying to better his life and that he didn't want to go back to that life style.
Only idiots see it as a transaction. As if he willingly chose 3 days of physical and mental troubles in jail for 46k USD. Arrest these same guys out of nowhere and interrogate them and psychologically play with them for a couple of days without any hint as to what will happen with them next. Then see if they still sing the same song.
@Nixton which one? the guy that was super calm? and even then if you can read i said if its more than a year type shit then ofc but u dont read do you.
@Nixton and also idc if he was talking about some guy with 2 years or whatever thats irrelevant since i said no compensation can be given and i agreed but i was arguing against him saying there is no compensation for any time in jail/prison like the 3 day shit cuz damn da was more then enough
The only retribution fitting for taking a man's life from him is for ones own life to be taken. Not literally, bit in every other way possible. They will endure the same things the man did, and they will endure it for sevenfold the severity or time. That is the only true compensation for what was stolen. For what was pillaged and burned from those men. For the accusers own skull to be dragged deeper into the mud than the man they accused.
@Brandon Boyce That’s your own opinion, personally I think financial compensation though it may not make up for it makes way more sense. Someone being punished doesn’t give me anything for all that has been stolen from me.
@꧁ Arya Princess ꧂ Power is an illusion. Judges are glorified sheep in a bathrobe, with other sheep in uniform doing what they say, because the rest of the sheep roaming about on the streets agree it's ok for their lives to be ran like this.
@T i have been taken from. I have had things stolen from me and I have been accused. When I was just 13, I was accused of sexual harassment. My reputation has not recovered. I am still ostracized, and looked down upon. While that woman and the police and the principle all were simply let off for putting me through what they did. Everything was changed. My views, my relationships, even my sexual tendencies were impacted. I wasn't able to find friends for years. I wasn't able to get any positive female attention until I was nearly 17. Even my friend at the time distanced for a while. NOTHING will give me back the Innocence that was stolen. I would wish every hell upon them If it meant those hells would be realized. Money means nothing. Money will never replace what was taken. Time. And innocence. Both were lost for years.
I could not agree more with this comment. if I was gonna be falsely imprisoned for a long time I would kill myself, no doubt. regardless of how long you're imprisoned for, a piece of you essentially dies when you're helpless and no one believes you; which ends up with you suffering for something you have no control over
unless we talking about atleast an amount of money that somebody can live lavish and take care of anybody he desires there's nothing that can replace it
@Vuk The cop got DEMOTED not fired. Basically, they moved him one step back down the ladder. He also got a suspension without pay. He almost ruined a man's life with no fucking evidence other than a racist knee-jerk reaction. CAD 46.000 is pennies for a wrongful accusation this crass.
People can say well its only 3.5 days and he got 46,000 so that makes up for it. Noooo it doesnt. Police have to be held to a higher standard than that. If you arent a seasoned degenerate-being caged up for any amount of time with people that are is a horrible punishment. And it strips you of your pride and honor. I mean goddamn. They said the suspect was a short white guy. Yet he spent 3.5 days in prison.
You sound like one who has lived through it, as I have and many others like us. I had a friend that beat his case rightfully so and the prosecutor was pissed and had the police dept. trying to get him on anything. he couldn't get out of his driveway without being subject to a set up. they have their blinders and their job was to convict, there's no ethics envolved
@Aivottaja Everyone is forgetting about what a drawn out battle it probably was. Imagine he spends 50k in legal fees to win 46k settlement? There is an unknown variable there
Well now you talk about the US. My uncle out of Poland got 4 thousand dollars or 10 thousand PLN for 5 years being in prison the money that the state gives you for being inprisoned without guilt should be in Form of a rent so you get your money every month paid by the state. I could not imagine paying taxes after being wrongfully in prison for 2 years so the state paying me would make it better. For 2 years In prison an amount of 10k a month should be fine. Also maybe a limited immunity
@64ddking Talking about retribution, there was a very loud case going on in Poland over past few years about innocence of Tomasz Komenda. The guy was accused of rape and murder he didn't commit but mistakes done throughout the investigation and eventually in the court by the judge himself resulted in him serving 18 years in prison out of 25 he got sentenced with, after getting released with help of a hardly gathered evidence from private detective's investigation. Finally, past year he recieved a compensation of over 3 million $ but there is no doubt it will never return all that time he lost while being jailed. However, that case was the loudest of its kind in polish history, resulted in the highest compensation in the country so far and because of that i encourage every person reading through this text to get more details in the articles. Peace for yall.
@Aivottaja not even close to good enough. Your reputation is not so easily restored and the scars of injustice do not heal. Should have imprisoned the investigator and gave all his worldly goods to the falsely accused, and even that wouldn’t be enough for the travesty of injustice.
@Absol StoryofFiction tell what to the dead i said if u sit in for 3 days and u get a years worth of payment then it is more then justice like why is evrybody in this comment section psychopaths like are u good?
This is actually wrong, money can probably give him many days or live back unless they are very old. Example: Man gets 50,000 dollars because he was sent to prison for 2 years after being falsely accused. His yearly salary is only 10,000 dollars. Meaning if he gets 50,000 dollars he wont need to work for 5 years giving some of his life back. Though this does not apply to everyone as not everyone gets that much money, is young, has hard work, or wants to work.
The only way i think is if they literally give untaxed millions of dollars with your record wiped completely clean. So you can start a new and better life. Thats only if you did like no more than 2yrs in prison.
A lot of people commenting about how willingly they'd take 3 days for $46,000, and of course, I would too. But it wasn't just three days in jail then a payday. That was 72 hours of wondering if three days was gonna turn into 20 years. Every hour, the dread increases, the thought you're gonna get fucked over intensifies, and the anxiety increases.
Like the video said, yeah, in hindsight, we'd all take that deal. But for someone that went through it without the guarantee of freedom, $46,000 may have very well not even been close to worth it. In fact, I think it's bullshit and I'd want that detective in jail for lying and trying to force a false confession as well.
And to top it off, there are barely if any consequences for those responsible, let alone false accusers. Wish someone would start vigilantism against these people.
I love how suddenly everyone assumes that jails are full of innocent people. You probably got completely wrong message after watching Shawk Redemption.
Pro tip which will help you kids in life. Bad places house bad people. Don't go to prison looking for virtuous justice fighters.
The Lord our God is a fair judge. He will recompense all. Wrath to the wicked and infinite reward to those who seek after God and believe in Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
We move on to eternity. Not the grave. Death could never have overcome God. But He took on flesh and overcame death for us through the Cross. Seek Jesus.
I was falsely charged and in jail for 7 days. I was told I did it and they knew I did it and that was that. I thought my life was over. I’m white by the way.
@Ronen Salathe correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was imprisoned for a different crime awhile back. Which is one reason why he was so afraid of going back to jail for several more years
@INeedTherapy Ok but we won’t tell you how long you go to jail for? You just get accused of doing wrong and taken to jail. That’s the psychological kicker.
no the difference is 1 is black and knows if he acted like 2 they'd have beat him half to death and leave him to rot in jail while moving slow af on the trial.
@Noahshad why wouldn't they be serious? The police had a description of a short white man and deliberately chose to arrest a tall black man. If he reacted in a violent way, they wouldn't take it nicely.
@Mystery Williams I forgot was it the white guy that spent 2 years in jail or the other guy? By the way, the video wasn’t about race it was about guilty until proven innocent.
@HowTo SaveALife hun no one said the video was about race. I'm sorry someone commenting on racial issues and injustices makes you that uncomfortable. Maybe you should unpack that.
The thing people need to learn is that as soon as they read you your Miranda Rights is to ask for a lawyer. Soon as they read you your rights you know they interrogating you which means you're a suspect and they believe you did it and will try to get you to say you did.
Never talk to the cops after they read you your rights. It's a huge red flag.
I would like to mention this is clearly a British/English police station where while he may have been arrested for being black, against the description, in terms of being beaten is extremely low because guilty or not he would be eligible to sue, being killed is almost non existent due to British police procedure. And also Britain dosen't have/use the Miranda rights but do use something similar
@Marfin What a stretch to refer to them as racist. It’s not a fixation, but rather an observation based on many experiences and ancecdotes shared by people of that race. At no point did the individual assert any inferiority of any race in their comments. I understand the need to try and look at other factors, but there could be issues in being dismissive of race not being a factor at all.
@Hugo lopez incorrect, a inferiority was asserted. It was asserted that if the 1st person acted like the 2nd, he would of been beaten and came to this conclusion merely on the race of both the accused and the police office. That is racist.
@Hugo lopez Whether or not something is racist isn't contingent on the assertion of any inferiority either way. The sole qualifier for anything to be racist is that it is a statement, action, or assumption based on race. Given that, almost everyone in the replies to this comment is a racist. Including the people up on their high horse who think they are more "woke" than others.
I’m black… I had the same thing. A guy said I told him to get his d**k out and I said no so I knocked him out. I did KO him but that wasn’t why, it was self defence (long story). I reacted like the first guy because I knew I was innocent and because I’m black… acting like the second guy whilst black is a jail sentence, period. The white guy wasn’t acting like that because he knows his innocence doesn’t matter… he’s acting like that because he knows what it’s like to be guilty and because he’s an idiot. If I was in his exact position (which I basically was but worse cause I did actually fracture a guys face) I would have gotten away with it. His reaction is foolish and that’s why he got the 2 years whereas I was sent home the following morning without a blemish on my record. Released on “preemptive strike in defence of another”. If you’re black, watch your tone, show you’re not a stereo type and trust in your innocence. Work on being articulate and smart. That way you can spend 3 days or less in a jail rather than 2 years for something you didn’t do and if your black, probably more
I’m black… I had the same thing. A guy said I told him to get his d**k out and I said no so I knocked him out. I did KO him but that wasn’t why, it was self defence (long story). I reacted like the first guy because I knew I was innocent and because I’m black… acting like the second guy whilst black is a jail sentence, period. The white guy wasn’t acting like that because he knows his innocence doesn’t matter… he’s acting like that because he knows what it’s like to be guilty and because he’s an idiot. If I was in his exact position (which I basically was but worse cause I did actually fracture a guys face) I would have gotten away with it. His reaction is foolish and that’s why he got the 2 years whereas I was sent home the following morning without a blemish on my record. Released on “preemptive strike in defence of another”. If you’re black, watch your tone, show you’re not a stereo type and trust in your innocence. Work on being articulate and smart. That way you can spend 3 days or less in a jail rather than 2 years for something you didn’t do and if your black, probably more. Yes, race matters… but charm and articulation matters more
@Mystery Williams Then why focus on violence against black people? Why not just talk about police violence in general? It's an issue that affects everyone.
Well, he wasn't innocent the first time so he got what he deserved... And he knows that jail is a scary place better than any innocent person that's why he was so dramatically afraid and not because the system is just a hungry monster...
Respect, Ella. I felt the same. In fact: I know a guy just like Michael and he doesn't have a bad bone in his body either. It was institutional racism and terrible, lazy, stupid policing.
In fact this happens often and the difference is some black men in the same situation don’t have the funds to fight and simply give in. Some give false confessions ironically thinking they’ll get to go home. Some lose their jobs because unlike this guy a detective doesn’t check into their story till weeks later before their court date and they sit in jail with no bail set or no bail money. $50,000 isn’t enough money to possibly lose my job and have that false arrest on record, believe me it never goes away.
That’s probably because you’re highly empathetic. Usually those are the types of people who get the most anxiety watching misfortune happen to others, even if you don’t know them or have never spoken to them.
Hell I’d get locked up for 3 days for $50,000. But it could have gone way worse for him, that white guy got strung up for 2 years for that thing he didn’t do. For any amount of money I’d have to at least think about 2 years in the pen.
@CHILIDOG HAMSALAD Most people would accept an offer like that, but this wasn't the situation he found himself in. He didn't know he was going to be released at all- for all he knew, he was spending years in captivity. There's a lot of stress that goes along with that. He didn't know he'd be free within the week, he didn't know he was going to get some money out of it. It's not a good situation to be in at all and the money is well deserved.
@Daniel McCoy there was zero evidence that he did anything. They wouldn't have been able to hold him for long anyway, whatever color he was. Especially if he got a lawyer. Not saying bad things couldn't happen, but most likely he would've been fine even if he was a different color or more extraverted
@A K Yeah you know what happens is you get charged for something someone else did, next thing you know you are doing some fucked up shit in the pen cause that's what you do to survive then you catch charges while your inside and after the initial charge is negated you stay in for doing that shit on the inside. And you don't get $50,000. You don't get shit if you catch a charge on the inside. Prison is dangerous and shitty and no good can ever come of it, not even a chance.
@kari c. I get what you're trying to say.. but I don't think the opposite of shy is confidence. I'd say insecure.. shy is just normal. So is insecure. I guess it just boils down to personality which is a construct of hundreds of different little variants. Introverts can be confident (I believe myself to be one) and I think most the time they are... extroverts I think seem more confident to people at a surface level bcos they are putting out all this energy to hide their insecurities... again everyone is different but this seems to be the case most the time. Loud/cocky/confident is actually not confident and quiet/shy/introvert etc is usually confident.
@Fretbuzz shit I'd do it for that money.. wouldn't you? You could use that curfew to your advantage and take some time to fix your action/intonation on your guitar so you don't have to name yourself fret buzz 😆✌
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Barry Bobert2020-10-09 00:45:03 (edited 2020-10-09 00:47:29 )
Hes actually the nicest guy ever and smart as shit
@Rs Rt honestly that the least of it man, poor guy tried to be nice while beeing acusated falsly, get 3 rough days in prison.... nice ppl are always fucked by life and they're too nice to even get angry about it when someone confuse their kindness with weakness. i'm sure the guy was not even that angry comming out and would still talk gently to the officers. so yeah i'm glad he got paid, that's money well spent.
@Daniel McCoy a few shades darker and that would be t for him??? He got THREE days and 50k?!?! The WHITE guy a few shades LIGHTER got NOTHING and 2 YRS
For real. I like to say I'm a patient person, but I think I would've blown up in that guys face. Like what do you mean "whether you did it or not is not a point of discussion"?? wtf? Just watching this made me angry
This video is a bit misleading. Not everyone who is innocent will act up loud and make all the body language described. It completely depends on the individual. And as aside sex offenders who are required to undergo polygraph interrogations have to deal with being seen as guilty for hours all based on BS test(polygraph). And they have to do it on a regular basis.
but... muh opresion!!! wamman hav been opress for 9137 decade we deserve reveng!!?? -thanks for having common sense yall, but this comment is sarcastic dw
Case might be that boyfriend beaten girlfriend up and girlfriend first went to police to fuck up her boyfriend but boyfriend might have threatened her. So she might have changed the story to save her skin.
Regardless, "slender" is a civil case. And if he can prove her slandering his reputation he can compensate a lot of money from the woman. Of course woman needs to have the money or she will "owe" the money. Which may end up him still getting nothing if woman is broke.
@alena Well we don't even know if the guy who were accused asked for a civil case for anything at all. Or even not sure if the guy who is accused was right in his assumption. And I wouldn't go after searching that far.
@John Smith he was going to spend over 20 years in jail basically ruin his youth all because she deliberately lied she deserves to be in jail for lying
@John Smith I wasn't sure if police was telling the truth by telling the guy that he was reported for doing it. Since police can lie about evidence in USA. But can police lie about why someone's getting arrested in USA?
She probably was as it was stated in the video, she was "Caught lying multiple times on the stand". Which is a federal crime in the US and a very serious one in most other countries.
@I fard In your pants everyone knows it’s supposed to be a joke it’s just everyone who isn’t still in middle school grew out of their “grr feminazi!” phase once they started talking to actual women in real life
@Amira J why should he shut up? he's right the said feminists fight for equality: a man would be charged or in jail for falsely accusing people, but a woman doesn't just bc she's a woman??????
@flowey fangirl yes, she should be imprisoned, but the original comment the person replied to was saying the same thing. Same with basically everyone under this comment thread. Nobody thinks she should get away with this. Y'all are making imaginary arguments in your head and then combating them.
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K Man2021-06-18 15:03:59 (edited 2021-06-18 15:04:23 )
@ns2k people are flooding your replies because your comment was a painfully unfunny strawman. Just delete it if it bothers you that much lmao
@flowey fangirl they edited the comment after i made my comment. i thought they were saying women deserve revenge so they were glad that the man was falsely accused which i clearly disagreed with
@kewl stuff Hey, its america. Prisons for profit + happy trigger cops + institutionalized racism = orwelian corporatocracy. Its the country that imprisoned Bradley Manning for revealing war crimes. Remember the war veteran arrested after giving an epic speech to a huge crowd? Nothing new here.
@KosmoKrater Try to live in Turkey for a while, journalists getting arrested for doing journalism (one of the highest journalist imprisonment rates). And you get arrested for saying anything offensive to country's leaders. Same racist bigotry towards Armenians and Kurds exists too. Any government employee can't be imprisoned (including teachers at public schools). So... fun fun fun.
@kewl stuff armenia is known for imprisoning opposition leaders. What are you talking about lmao. As if it is an exemplary country. Please shut up. Don’t bring politics into this thread
@Girl Happy the guy said; "USA was awful when it came to freedom and I just compared Turkey to that. You might be right, I was just simply stating USA wasnt 'that' bad. Armenia could be worse than Turkey this also claims my point, USA isn't 'that' bad. "politics" will come no matter what. In this case, he brought the subject, but I don't mind. We were having a respectful conversation. You didn't had to be toxic.
@kewl stuff you are the one who is toxic bringing politics into this thread under my comment 🤦♀️ And yes not only USA has problems but other countries have problems too. By changing the subject you just take away from importance of the main point, which is the guilty woman in the video who needs to be punished
@Girl Happy "It can only happen in USA, what it became" was pretty much relevant to the comment I suppose*. Nah, you're being toxic by simply picking and choosing whom to attack although people already drifted from your fucking point. Also, anything is 'political' your statement is political by "this woman should be punished." since government of USA will do it. If you're thinking every time a government is mentioned it is political. A country, that who doesn't let men take the custody of their children most of the time. Where women are mostly privileged and claim that men are. So yeah, thanks. Most probably it won't happen and even your first post was already political. In fact, everything in some context political and economical discussion. You trying to find a reason to attack any one claiming "anything" and "everything" turning into "political" and "ruining it because it turned political" is just BS reason to attack me and that's it.
@Girl Happy I did; answered; " We don't even know, maybe since police can lie about evidence, they lied about it as well" Yes slender should be punishable. But needs proof as well. You claim you didn't care about my country yet; "Oh Armenians had it worst" a-ha. You claim a gender issue, where women gets away with slender most of the time and you claim it wasn't political? :D OK. Gender issue is usually feminist or LGBTQ political agenda but whatever. I guess you weren't political at all.
As an attorney, this kind of scenario is shockingly common, as I can attest. It's one of the most disturbing parts of the US justice system . Thank you for bringing attention to it🙏
how many "you match the description"-cases did you personally come across? i think this one is extra terrifying considering the fact the witness described a white guy and they arrested a black guy lol
not only a US problem, its a human problem. if u think the US is bad, just wait til you experience other countries... these issues are as old as time, and the solutions have already been thought out wisely, centuries ago - hence the UK/US adversarial court / trial system etc with rules of evidence etc. but any system ultimately is only as good as the sincerity, tenacity, courage and virtue of the individual humans implementing it.
jguthrie In The Barbara Graham Case she refused immunity. The chief prosecution witness John True took it .Prosecutors charged her ( and two others, one of which was Emmett Perkins ). She denied she was there. She said at the trial she was at home. She had no alibi when she was charged. Instead of considering facts and credibility, the next step the prosecutors took was after jail authorities told prosecutors she may have an alibi but not yet, as they had seen her attorney's letter to her in which he said to her, which she read, she was likely go to the gas chamber unless he could locate her alibi witnesses.The prosecutors' next step was to put an undercover policewoman into the cells who got a fellow prisoner to agree to approach Barbara Graham and say she, the fellow prisoner, had an alibi-seller outside, and then the prosecutors put an undercover policeman in to act as the alibi-seller and tell Barbara Graham he would give her an alibi but not unless she told him she was there with the others charged, in order to get the three accused in each others' presence and get all three for the murder. Otherwise it would have been - should have been a separate trial for her, the undercover " alibi-seller " then, as per instructions, therefore - to get the other two through her ( and through one other, a Baxter Shorter who had disappeared, kidnapped, presumed dead, and could be linked through an eyewitness, Shorter's wife, who saw Emmett Perkins kidnap Baxter Shorter who had identified True, Perkins, another named Santo and Barbara Graham except that he thought the woman he alleged was there they called Mary, and as she could not be at the conspiracy with them on March 8th 1953 where True said she was called Mary True was saying Mary was where Shorter heard her called that name, and as she could not be there as True in a statement prosecutors had, but which statement they did not produce at the trial, True said he met Barbara Graham for the first time on March 9th 1953 - this meant she did not have knowledge of the crime and therefore Shorter was lying when he said he met her to go over to Mable Monahan's house on March 9th and they called her Mary - for him the first time - [ and she was not told on March 9th - there was no evidence of that ] - the prosecution's case was that she was told on March 8th - therefore Shorter must have seen Barbara Graham somewhere else innocently other than at the crime and told her name was Mary and the evidence - the real evidence therefore proved Perkins, Shorter, True and Santo were framing her for the crime, the murder.True alleged Shorter was there on the 8th and Shorter did not mention it but stated he met True on the 8th somewhere else, to plan robbing Mable Monahan, alleging " they " - True, Perkins and Santo - said she was out. The prosecution assumed in their evidence the inference that therefore " they " included Barbara Graham [ so assuming her guilt ] by conclusion without a fact in evidence before evidence of identification by corroboration of True by Shorter so leading to the possibility he [ and True ] could have seen her somewhere else and were framing her - the prosecution should've been alert to that ) but Shorter said he did not meet Mary until March 9th so this contradiction should have led to the awareness she was framed - by Shorter as being there on March 9th as Shorter knew Mable Monahan - he had a motive to frame her as did the others for Shorter's knowing Mable Monahan would lead police to him to them and he knew Cohen from whom the money had been stolen wass put in Mable Monahan's house [ they thought ] by Scherer, Mable Monahan's ex-son-in-law, and this could be traced; so Shorter went into police and alleged Mary led them in - Shorter was a break-and-enterer and that way would avoid First Degree Murder - the gas chamber - the self-alibiing for Shorter - Perkins, Santo who made up the story Barbara Graham go into the house first, according to True ). Thus Sirianni, the undercover officer instructed to trap Barbara Graham as the counterfeit alibi-seller in the prison lied he was afraid he would be caught out if Shorter returned unless she confessed she was there so she said " I was there " - to get the alibi, knowing she knew she would go to the gas chamber if she didn't have it- and prosecutors knowing she knew and prosecutors knowing they had to get in first before her attorney found her witness and gave her her alibi. Then the prosecution had the fellow prisoner testify Barbara Graham approached her to ask her if she knew an alibi-seller and the fellow prisoner walked free after giving testimony and denying in court she had a deal.( Why? - prosecutors sure they know she is guilty - they just know - amazing assumption ). One of her independent witness gave a statement saying she was at home but didn't show up at the trial. No-one bothered to subpoena him it seems. The conspirator who took immunity, John True, testified she was at the conspiracy on March 8th. The prosecutors failed to produce his statement in which he said he met her first on March 9th because it showed she had no knowledge. The chief Prosecutor alleged she confessed to pistolwhipping Mable Monahan until dead before she died. The Autopsy Surgeon testified Mable Monahan was strangled - the cause of death. True testified at the trial Barbara put a pillowcase over Mrs Monahan's head at the end of the house in a hall. At The Grand Jury he testified she put the pillowcase over Mable's head at inside the front door of the house. He testified the pillowcase was only put on once. The statement withheld revealed JohnTrue said Emmett Perkins put the pillowcase over Mable Monahan's head not Barbara Graham. Two weeks before he was executed Perkins made a confession on a point - the pistolwhipping True had alleged Barbara Graham did. Perkins made the confession he was there ( he had denied so at the trial ). In answer to a request to clear Barbara Graham Perkins told Pullitzer Prize-winning journalist Edward S. Montgomery, " Montgomery, that ol' lady was never pistolwhipped. She was beat with her own cane. " (Prosecutors did not act on this information and if it was used in an Appeal it must have been as a ground for a new trial. Why? - if it was used as it seems it must have been for the separate trial ). Prosecutors " knew " Barbara Graham was guilty. The procedure - " the end ( of alibi-framing ) - justifies the means" proves they convinced themselves she was guilty - not by the facts but by " a guess " so sure it proves they held this guilt before innocence view. The Chief Prosecutor authorized and collaborated on a book in 1960 in which it was admitted the alibi approach on Barbara Graham was " underhand. " In the book was revealed one of the conspirators said they all went over in one car - True said two cars went over, putting Barbara Graham in two cars and one car at the same time with True. The end justifies the means. " Good people are so sure they're right" - Barbara Graham's last words. She was executed in 1955. John True walked free. The main Source is Kathleen A. Cairns' Proof of Guilt: Barbara Graham and The Politics of Executing Women in America University of Nebraska Press I Lincoln and London and my own book about Barbara Graham's innocence but her book is about the way proof is obtained and presented in the American Justice system and is my main source to her innocence as my book The Innocence of Barbara Graham is concerned with Barbara Graham's innocence.The way proof, however, is presented is not confined to there. I was a lawyer in another jurisdiction and rote procedure of framing is prevalent there as it still is ( as you so aptly say in your comment which I presume to rely to ) with the ex-D.A. of San Francisco failing to provide a statement clearing an accused in a death penalty case and had to be ordered by a Judge to do so and is now running for ( really ) president. COPYRIGHT from The Innocence of Barbara Graham by David de Pinna.
My favorite proof of Micheal Dixon’s innocence: his one phone call is to call into work to let them know you won’t be at work in the morning. Not to a lawyer. Not to someone who can bail him out. To his employer about his shift. When has anyone guilty ever done that? Lol
@Thelema yep they think getting/asking for a lawyer makes them look guilty. tho if youre really innocent you could also be lawyering up to free yourself or even sue so it doesnt make much sense. seems a lot of acting guilty is overcompensating and trying to act innocent but its usually too much
@Thelema I think you missed the point completely tbh. He's saying that letting your boss know you're not going to be in Tomorrow instead of getting a lawyer is pretty much unheard of. Like let's be fkn real here, THEY WOULD BE THE LAST PEOPLE YOU CONTACT. Family. Friends. Lover. Lawyer. Fkn last person I'd call is my boss with my one call. Use ya 🧠
For people who don't get it, someone who is arrested and actually guilty is not going to have a high priority about calling their work. Given that they are guilty and have been caught, they would not be likely to keep that job anyway. The point is not whether or not they get a lawyer but the relative priority of calling into work first.
@Nikiko I agree about the lawyer and that's beside the point. The point is understanding differences in external reactions based purely on someone's internal knowledge.
So assume someone is guilty. Are they going to: 1. Ask to call their work as the first and only call they make. 2. NOT even ask to call a lawyer?
No. That was the point. IF they made a call it would (and should) be to their lawyer. It's only someone who's innocent who might not consider calling a lawyer (and calling work instead). Even though I agree, they should have in hindsight.
But I wouldn't call a lawyer in that situation either, unless I was guilty. Because lawyers cost money. I would at least initially assume there was some huge and obvious mistake somewhere that should not require a lawyer.
Yea, what was the cop thinking after that...did he suppose micheal was thinking "well I just robbed a jewelry store, good thing I did it fast enough to get to bed before my nine to five tomorrow morning.
I think I understand what you’re getting at. You’re saying that Michael is a decent human being that even at this high pressure situation, he thought about making sure his work knows he is not going to be in that day.
@Delos that seems very silly. First of all, you will always have a free lawyer provided to you, second of all, if you are innocent you still want a lawyer because they will help you sort things out in case you are falsely accused. Not asking for a lawyer is the sign of someone who either is way too confident, trolling, or has no idea how the Criminal justice system works.
@Nikiko You're still missing the point that someone who's innocent is more likely to assume there is no real evidence against them, as it happened even in this exceptional case of misconduct.
Additionally you do not get a public defendant in that situation and if you've noticed, lawyer fees cost an arm and a leg. One of the many ways the justice system is biased towards the wealthy, bail being another. I know some people can't imagine how others can be less wealthy than themselves, but not everyone has thousands of dollars of discretionary savings they can or want to put into a legal case based on a false accusation. So yes they will take the public defender (which is assigned once they go to court, NOT with their initial phone call).
There's a similar reason why innocent people often are advised and do take plea deals. They aren't "trolling" themselves; the system is trolling them. It isn't right but it is completely rational.
The notion that you only get one phone call is a pop culture myth. You're entitled to contact someone to make them aware of your whereabouts immediately, and generally you're entitled to up to three phone calls "within a reasonable time" after you're booked. Although your lawyer should be contacting people on your behalf if that's required and a good lawyer would certainly do so.
Ok, ppl don´t understand the point in english, so here it is in german: Meine Fresse, es geht einfach nur darum, dass es für Schuldige höchst ungewöhnlich wäre, bei ihrer Arbeit anzurufen, dass sie morgen leider nicht kommen können. Es ist bereits ein Zeichen dafür, dass er unschuldig und sehr glaubwürdig ist.
@Delos It is a really stupid point because in neither case (guilty or not) I'm going to call my job first, it is dumb as hell. Your entire point is that no guilty person is going to call boss first, but outside this man, no innocent man would either.
@AngryTwxGaming What country do you live in? Because in the USA you're factually incorrect. You can't call a public defender right after arrest because you won't have one yet... You have to apply for one and prove you can't afford a lawyer.
Notice how I'm not calling you ignorant, just pointing out where you're wrong. Feel free to do the same or else I'm going to assume you have nothing.
@Gerhard Smith 3000 people understood the insight you missed, which also happened in the actual case. Case in point on why you don't generalize your own opinion to everyone else.
Though now I'm curious, do you not usually call your job if you're not going to be at work or what is your logic there?
@Delos I didn't missed it, it's just a really stupid insight, but funny how you try to paint it as if it was a problem of everyone else who doesn't agree with you instead of just thinking that it is a really dumb point.
Also, wow, 3000 people on youtube agree with your point? Congratulations, almost like if you could go to any comment section on youtube and see stupid comments get over 1k likes, great point there. I just saw I guy on a Gorillaz song put a wrong translation and reading (factually incorrect btw) into the song and get more likes than the person correcting him on the responses, go figure how relevant are your likes.
@John Doee Yeah, I know schools aren't teaching reading comprehension anymore, but why don't you try understanding the context of what you're commenting on? You'll live longer.
@Gerhard Smith Huh? You're the one who painted it as something no one would ever do. And now you're re-interpreting it as a "problem" when I just asked why you think that? It isn't a problem. I was asking why you concluded no one would call their work if they're not going to be able to go to work through no fault of their own?
@Delos sorry I didn’t get back sooner, but that’s total bullshit. You can talk to the police about arranging a lawyer if you don’t have one right at the station. You also are provided internet access to search for lawyers. There are plenty of ways you can get yourself a lawyer. An innocent person should be even more inclined to get a lawyer, because getting bail to get back to their everyday life is of such importance. But just so you know, you obviously ask for a public defender right as you are arrested if you do not have your own lawyer. They will call you back and have someone come over to talk to you. What sort of idea is going through your head that you can’t talk to your public defendant until count starts? Obviously you can get them within a couple days of being arrested.
That poor ginger guy... I felt his pain. He was so scared because he already knew what prison was like and just didn't want to go back especially wrongfully.
It also seems like he really hates people assaulting women. He looked pretty surprised and offended that they accused him of that. He didnt want to go back to jail with a label like that.
@J K But he isn't going to get the 2 years of his life back. And those 2 years probably damaged his mental health even more than his previous sentence, because this time he was innocent and was labeled as someone who assaulted a woman (one of the worst labels to have in prison)... :(
@Jayden Warnke lol not in prison or jail. Alot of dudes in jail are in for domestic violence, I’d say about 60%. And alot of men in prison killed women. It’s sexual crimes against women and kids that get them hurt though.
If you were familiar with police calls, a lot of the time the initial description is from a single panicking witness and is often incorrect. If you're looking for someone who has commit a robbery, odds are they're going to be black. That's just the reality of the situation.
@Eg Az They've used big $$$$ in the past yrs for training supposedly, and still fck up left and right. I get people have different views on how/what to de-fund. In my own opinion, depending on various factors, they can start by lowering the pay some of those that are making near, or over 6 figures. That $ saved could then be used for more training for officers that are actually in the streets, or detectives that are clearly the main focus of all the civil unrest the past few months. Not to mention, but even with all the training in the world, there will always be dirty officers at every level. Sure there are many great officers, but wayyyy too many bad apples nation/worldwide. So training means 0 if they care less about it...
@TVBoxMimic his facial features would definitely give him away as being black. and when they get booked don't they have to identify themselves? his ID should show his race
Lol they convicted a white guy and sent him to jail for 2 YEARS in the same video. But you say nothing about that. Maybe you came in with bias about police officers and race and projected them onto the video.
@JKL Im guessing the white guy is from America based on his accent. The US justice system is very corrupt and I absolutely do care and talk about stories like his bc this shouldn't have happened at all. Black ppl just face this more often (ex. Central Park Five)
JKL I never said that was right? I’m pointing out that they literally picked up a dude that was the exact opposite of the suspect description. The woman in the other case lied and accused the white dude and the police were just going off of what they had (witness reports) whereas the other case they ignored suspect description and just picked up a random dude to try and get a confession out of him. You’re the one projecting bias here assuming my opinions lol.
@DrmHer If you're de-funding them, who is going to train them? My brother is qualified to be a cop and the only training he got was like 2 days where they pepper sprayed him and various other random things that wouldn't prepare you for stressful situations. You want to fund them even less to get even worse training than that? Yea...
Lynn JustLynn Officers we’re receiving training in general for the same things they are now. So whoever was training them then will continue to do so now. They were supposedly already receiving training for cultural diversity etc for the past 20 years or so. So what happened lol?! If some of the top salaries are shaved off a little, then if they are still crying about money for even MORE diversity training, then that shaved money goes to that training. I’m in c. justice, and know several officers so I’m not talking out of my ass. Plus every state is different. I’m in la so now way in hell is any officer getting a weeks worth of training, with a bit of it using “pepper spray”. That would never fly...and shouldn’t for any officer in a major city. Cultural diversity training again, means 0 if the person doesn’t see you as equal or human.
Everyone thinks they are Dave Chappelle in these comments. It's an old joke. Fail.
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@Dave Bunnell actually, Dave Chappelle stole that joke from me. I invented jokes about racial profiling and he pays me 150k in royalties each set he does. Also if you’ve ever made any jokes about race disparity/profiling please provide me with your email so I can send you an invoice. Otherwise you will hear from my lawyer soon, Mr Bunnell.
A young woman went missing local to where we live. My dad thought that he saw her walking across the bridge whilst he was out walking the dog. He called the police to report it and they tried to treat him like a suspect. The woman was found absolutely fine shortly later, and my dad has vowed never to assist the police again.
I called cops once, because of a neighbors insane domestic dispute. Cops showed up at my house and tried to shoot my dog. I'll never understand or trust cops over it
@Bøï 89 They still have to react properly, because otherwise criminals can simply call on their own crime and get away with it. Your dad did the right thing and should keep doing it.
Your dad is absolutely right to not trust the police. When I tell my kids to never talk to the police I tell them that includes being a witness. Let someone else be the hero and talk.
Do not worry. God has a way of dealing perfect justice. The accusers are going to really be making themselves suffer. It may not seem like it now but it’s gonna come back to bite them when they die. But whatever good deed you did for someone is also gonna come back to you. God’s judgment is scary if you were a bad person. but it could be a rewarding thing if you are a good person.
@John Money may ease, but it doesn't absolve emotional and psychological trauma. Until you are sitting in that chair, innocent of an accusation, you'll never know those feelings. I've been there...
The real tradegy is that this happens to tons of people and they get imprisoned for years.
Watch the netflix documentary about Kalief Browder, a 16 year old who was falsely incarcerated or 3 years, he spent 2 of those years in solitary confinement. The abuse he experienced in prison made him develop serious mental issues which ended in him hanging himself in his parents house two years after his release. Its fucking insane the shit that goes on in this world.
@Subs1338 while there is "lots of shit going on in the world," I can't help but feel, that what you describe is more a testimony of how fucked up the USA are (being a western nation and all...). Incarceration of minors isn't normal in Europe and solitary confinement is seen as torture by the UN.. (not to mention that the USA still has capital punishment and strips people who paid their debt to society of their voring rights)
@Sanchu too many times... won every one fortunately. But everytime you have to prove your innocence. However in Canada we have RCMP. Its like a bunch of gang members and they rough people up that are just going about their day and like to try and find "weak" targets to accuse of crimes. These are usually poorer people who cannot afford an private attorney. The legal aid here works for the court and they are in bed with the prosecutor. Some cities are fortunate enough to have police forces that you can call if they start harassing you. Its like a 3rd party to oversee the situation. Very few towns and cities have that though. If you dont believe me just lookup how the RCMP vs. VPD on Halloween night last year. Two news channels showed VPD talking with people and making sure people stay calm and orderly. They were successful. In the RCMPs block, the footage showed many people in handcuffs, fists being thrown, people starting to riot. etc. VPD goal - "to make sure people stayed civilized and did not damage property" RCMP goal - "we are handing out covid fines"
Edit: Obviosuly these were not crimes like murder. However it still is hard to be wrongfully accused
@Kyle Marshall I dono man. Far a I can figure the town cops smoked my evidence then guesstimated I had more than 2x to charge me with 2 grams of weed. Ignored my request for 'restorative justice(community service) until the day after the crown stayed my charges. RCMP have been exponentially more professional in my east coast experience. Oinkers even acknowledged that the law was off the books at the time (back when the gov didn't fix the court mandated medical tomfoolery -fix it in x years or the law is gone, and they didn't)
Cops brought be in to question me about houses being broken into which I never have done and while they were questioning me they pulled out fingerprints saying they are mine and match my prints on records. But yet I've never been in any of these houses in my life that they accused me of breaking into lol.
They should've been fired, not demoted. These "detectives" should never be allowed to work in law enforcement, or for that matter, as a security guard at a empty cemetery ever again.
@Lace they're extremely incompetent, but I don't necessarily think he acted in bad faith. He's just unbelievable bad at his job and tried to mimick good detectives who actually know what they're doing and failed miserably
One of my girlfriend's step dad is a cop and he choked her when he was drunk.
I made her go to the hospital against her mother's wishes and I guess it was two of his buddies that took the statement because they had multiple pens infont of their name tags and wouldn't give us a copy of the report, saying we would recieve it in the mail in a few days. After two weeks I took her to the police station to get a copy of it and they said there was no report at all.
They then proceeded to send her to internal affairs where she spoke with a gentlemen there.
The "step-dad cop" only lost what was suppose to be a promotion and nothing came of the cops that didn't write the report to protect him. Since then I have always made sure any cop I talk to that I get their name. Every time.
@Titan Flare I see what you’re saying but remember in the beginning, they stated the call was in for a SMALL WHITE MALE. He knew what he was looking for. He just ignored facts looking for advancement.
I’m glad Michael was exonerated and awarded over $500 compensation for each hour he was wrongly imprisoned. The investigators deserved demotion as this could have been sorted out in time for him to go to work.
500 for each hour? That's dope. Kinda makes me wanna get wrongfully imprisoned.. Then again.. I wonder if Justin got the same money.. 2 years ... how many hours is that? xD
I read article that in some US states there is no compensation whatsoever and this was article about life sentences overturned by DNA tests. +20 years in prison and state says sorry I guess we were wrong LOL
A singer on Americans Got Talent told the story of how he was wrongfully jailed for 36 years for someone else’s crime, and finally released on DNA evidence. 36 years. That’s over half of most people’s life. No amount of money makes up for that. But I do hope they at least get a few million $$$.
500 an hour? I was wrongfully accused and served 31 days in jail and my lawyer said it would be, after tax, under 20 dollars A DAY. And that it would be years until i got the check it doesnt go in your bank account right away. That was just the case for me... Florida court system is fucked though
@gottimw yup thats what i was told for my case. If i took it to court. It would be under 20 dollars a day, i wouldnt get paid for possibly several years, and go through paying for lawyer service and everything. They just told me to let it go and go to therapy. Then the therapist said im lucky and should be grateful because many people dont get out for years or dont get out at all. When i asked my lawyer for compensation from the gvt they chuckled then straight face "welll if youre serious... Itll cost you money and you wont get compensated if you are approved, for years" and i literally said fuck it fuck my life. Bye. And never saw him again
Sadly that’s the job of American cops/investigators. It’s to get buddy buddy with the suspects and get a “confession” out of them, regardless of innocence or none. If you don’t put someone in jail, you’re failing. It’s a problem with the system
@DeadlyJaguar89 You mean he only got 46000 dollars for a whole of 3 1/2 days in jail, right? 46k is by far not enough for three days of live lost. There is basically no amount of money enough for that.
@rePAULsion Yeah, if I knew I would get out after a couple days and nothing would happen, so would I. But that isn't the case with this. There is a very real possibility of a conviction, even if you're innocent. Wrongful convictions do happen. When you're in that situation, you don't know if you're going to get out after a couple days and get money in compensation, or if you're going to spend possibly years in prison.
@CamM dude clearly had mental fortitude and was in no danger of being convicted, what happened to him was unfair but I am sure he came out winning in this situation.
@B.O.J. I'm not convinced he was 'in no danger of being convicted' wrongful convictions do happen, including the other guy shown in this video. Other than that, obviously it turned out well in the end, but it shouldn't happen at all.
@dr I don't think they do most of the time. They're just trying to get them to admit to it, whether they did it or not. Obviously investigators benefit from closing cases and convicting alleged suspects
@traskforge Defended - you are proven guilty because you're too defensive Didn't defended - you are proven guilty because you didn't prove yourself innocent
''The truth hurts''. The truth does hurt, but not everything that is upsetting or aggravating is true. Ever had someone walk up to you, claim you did this or that etc etc, watch you get upset and then retort with ''the truth hurts, huh?''. That shit eating grin is a punchable face if i ever saw one.
Yes, like my dad always thinks me being defensive is an admission of guilt (the whole "lady doth protest too much") thing ... but honestly, I'm gonna be way more annoyed if u accuse me of something I didn't do & get angry at me for it - that makes perfect logical sense
@Aaron Vannatta an innocent person won't admit. Period. So policemen assume they can just keep up the pressure, because when a guilty person breaks down, they confess, an innocent person might break down, but they won't confess.
I nearly got arested for a drunk street brall outside a pub that I had nothing to do with I was just drunk walking home from the pub and they tried to pick me up for it, when I refused and defended myself they took it as me being aggressive therefore one of the combatants. But their radio went an they picked the bloke up on the other street luckily before they put me in a copcar. So a narrow miss for me. Wrong place wrong time.
@Fif0l they don't need just an admittance of guilt. even when you admit and/or plead guilty, you still receive due process and the final decision belongs to the judge. All that matters (to some investigators) is that they put you under pressure and get you to say SOMETHING that could be used against you in court that they can receive credit for.
@Aaron Vannatta yeah, but the second best thing to a confession investigators can get from you is some significant lies and contradictions. If they get neither and don't have significant evidence and still press charges, they can actually harm their careers. Thing is, guilty people tangle themselves in a web of lies to prove their innocence. They have to think really hard all the time about how the answer to the next question will harm their fake alibi. An innocent person doesn't need to think nearly as hard, because telling the truth is easy. I mean, you do need to be a bit of a heartless bastard to be an investigator, because the easiest way to charge someone in the absence of evidence is to exhaust the person mentally over hours or days of leading question and treating the person like a liar and just rolling with it, not thinking about "what if he actually is innocent and I'm treating him like a piece of shit".
Don't get me wrong, investigators in this video were very unfair, especially investigator of the bald guy, who apparently forgot to check the visual description from 911 call, or he would have known immediately they are after the wrong guy. Not to mention the fact that he kind of forgot about the guy after not obtaining anything resembling evidence and it took an entirely different investigator to check up on the case after a few days.
@ZombiePayton Exactly. Being defensive is only suspicious before you let someone know they're a suspect. After that not being defensive is actually more suspicious usually.
If a cop ever says that to me, I hope I can remember this reply: why did you rape that girl last night? Oh why are you being so defensive if you didn’t do it?
There is fear of self incrimination and unfortunately in the United States with a lop sided legal system (let's be honest we all know it tends to favor wealthy and the well connected) , some people given the choice would rather plead guilty to avoid a worse alternative - harsher penalty, can't afford the legal defense etc.
As person who has been falsely accused I can attest that it seriously pisses you off. Especially if the accusation is serious. I like to try to be like the “Michael” in this video in my everyday life, but I instantly became the “Justin”.
“You sound really angry right now.”
YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I’M ANGRY. YOU’D BE ANGRY TOO IF THIS BULLSHIT HAPPENED TO YOU!
THIS!! THIS!! people don’t seem to understand that being defensive does NOT equal being guilty. It’s like when your parent accuses you of lying when you get defensive. Accusations can trigger panic and fear. Poor Justin was upset and angry and scared. It’s disgusting that some people have this mindset
@Fif0l completely wrong. There are plenty of documented cases of people admitting to crimes they didn't commit. Men have been pressured into confessing, or tricked Into signing a confession, and then exonerated with DNA evidence. Police have, and will again, pressure and trick innocent people into confessing crimes they did not commit.
@Fif0l and that's without mentioning the crippling debt a defense can put you in.. People are often presented with the choice of a small mark on their record, or a few months in jail, and being in severe debt for the rest of their lives... 'so if I plead guilty I'll get a slap on the wrist, but if I plead innocent they will come for me with everything they can?' yeah I know which option sounds better for the guy without a good attorney...
@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies I just looked it up and it seems psychology of false confessions is a relatively new topic in criminal psychology, law enforcement and prosecution. Even though a quarter of people exonerated in the last two decades have confessed to the crime. But at the same time, in 2019 we had the first one who was exonerated not on new evidence, but based on psychological analysis of the confession. Forgive me for not sitting on the bleeding edge of criminal psychology. Now consider this. I thought I have a decent understanding of psychology. But I was still wrong. Policemen should be trained in new discoveries relating to interrogations. But not all are. So it's not inconceivable that many policemen simply don't consider the option that you can get a false confession. And when you don't consider this as an option you might as well keep up the psychological pressure, because when you can't see any reason why an innocent person would confess, it's easy to assume it doesn't happen. Policemen don't exactly keep tabs on people they've thrown in jail, they don't really care if you were convicted, don't expect they'll check whether or not you were exonerated 30 years later.
@Michael Hardin: Agreed, I usually start off like Michael to begin with, but if you try pulling that shit with me I can get worse than Justin. If I'm going to go to jail, it best be for a crime I willingly chose and got to enjoy, like choking out a liar 🤔
@Aiden Law That’s Because “Never Speak To Cops Only, Talk to Attorneys.” Invoking The Fifth Amendment. Not Evoking or Revoking you see? You Do It On Purpose So, That My Friend Is Invoking.
reminds me of when my mom accused me of taking her weed and I cried bc I knew I'd never convince her it wasn't me, and then cried MORE because crying made me seem even more guilty. 😭😡 fml (I didn't take her mf weed she was probably high and used more than she thought)
And this is why defense attorneys advise: Do not talk to the police. Detectives can lie, there is no legal requirement for them to be honest or truthful. Their job is to close the case, not to determine guilt or innocence. Always, always, always require an attorney. Do not say anything to any detective for any reason at any time. The ONLY thing that can result is your words being used against you.
Yeah fr if anyone does feel like they will look “guilty” for asking for a lawyer.. you won’t... matter of a fact if there is not enough evidence and you ask for a lawyer they might even throw the case out altogether as they was hoping you would blabber it all
And here i thought my countrys law to be weird of not forceing or lieing to the suspect is considered not an conclusive evidence and even most of the time not evidence at all even if they force you to say you do it and you screem it out loud it is still not evidence
In Japan, they can hold you for you to 30 days and force a confession from you. In that time, you cannot see a lawyer, and they don't have to guarantee any translation. If they do, the translation is often fine by an amateur. They can also find ways to extend the 30 days (which also bans any phone calls during that time). The law courts are ruled by 3 judges, with little or no trial by jury. The judges usually rule in favour of the police, as the system believes that if the police charged you, then you must be guilty. The extremely high arrest-conviction rate in Japan is usually obtained via high-pressure, signed confessions, with little or no evidence to back up the investigation.
@chelseafcrocks82 this is in Canada genius they do the same in the UK. There was a man who spent 12 years in prison in the UK while wrongfully conflicted. Due to the officers lying in the interrogation
Fuckin right! & don't worry about if u think it's gonna make u look guilty if u don't talk & ask for an attorney. Who cares what they think, if I know I'm innocent I'm still not talking & asking for an attorney! I don't care what they think!
Cop: "OK can you describe the perpetrator? Was it a tall black man, a short black man..." Witness: "No it was a white man." Cop: "Got it, a light-skinned black man."
love how everyone is sympathetic for Michael but glosses over the fact that justin was wrongfully accused and sentanced to jail for 2 years and wasnt compensated at all.
I think its because he was a little aggressive and an ex con so people just don't care as much. He may be a little combative but doesn't mean it still isn't terrible injustice way worse than what Michael got.
@Chicken and Pizza id be pretty fuckin aggressive if someone was locking me in a cage for something i didn't do. Undoing all the hard work he definitely did to turn his life around.
@Always Smiling "he was unaware he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years"... That means he was imprisoned for something he didn't do.
@Sammie Malesci he was punished for it for just over two years. It said so at the beginning of his clip. He had went for a previous crime and then he was imprisoned for this crime, which he didn't commit.
Right?? I’m looking through all the comments, and yes it’s upsetting for Michael but what about Justin?? Did he get his payday?? I get that he was angry and upset but I Mema of course he was, who wouldn’t be? He was being accused of something he didn’t do and the cop wasn’t believing him when he said he didn’t do it, that’ll make most people upset and angry and scared. I mean look at his legs, that guy is scared.
@~Ito~ (糸) That's a ridiculous take. Disregarding the different countries and situations each man was in (Canada vs USA, regular guy vs. ex-con), unless something Justin said was the direct cause of his conviction, he was screwed from the start based on whatever the police had on him before the interrogation. His only mistake was not lawyering up at the beginning, which even then may not have saved him. Being 'polite' would have zero bearing in that case.
Realistically, it's because more people can put themselves into Micahael's shoes rather than an ex-con with a troubled past. Most people aren't ex-cons but law abiting people.
The exon wasnt compensated because the police actually had evidence to arrest him. The fault lies with the person who falsely accused him, not the police.
The other guy, the police had no evidence to arrest him but did so anyways which is false arrest and false imprisonment. Not to mention negligence of the investigator who didnt bother checking his alibi.
@Rachel Forshee it really wouldn't have mattered how he'd have acted emotionally. They'd decided he was guilty before he'd even been spoken too. Because he had a past. He might have served his time, paid his dues, but it doesn't matter. he will never stop paying in other ways. No matter what, they should have done their due diligence to check up on his alibi, to check other possibilities, to check the evidence (or lack of it). They didn't. The best thing HE could've done was call for a lawyer but I doubt he had the means to do that. The system failed him.
@Noah Frey what does that matter? He paid his dues and they were negligent in their investigation. Having a past doesn't mean you lose the right to a fair and just trial. And two years for a crime he didn't commit, regardless of criminal HISTORY, is negligent at best.
@Adeniyi .Omishore it literally says he was "unaware he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years". The narrator says that before he even starts Justin's video.
@Jaelynn Bill indeed. It matters because in the eyes of the criminal "justice" system, you're fucked. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that's likely why he wouldn't be able to get restitution...that and he probably doesn't have much money considering he lived with his mom and was in and out of prison.
Happens all the time and any amount of jail time on your record prevents you from getting a decent job so not only did they not compensate but completely ruin his life
@Keto I'm not saying they do all the time. Heck. I'm not saying they do even half the time. But it should be the case that if anyone falsely accuses someone of something, they should be charged with something. I can still hope.
Ah now I see where you get it. But: "The Accusers Testimony was later picked apart in Court..." If it was in Court, it could not be after the Conviction, right? I think the commentator is inconsistent here. Or am I missing something?
@Jort von der Tanne I believe he went to prison at one time for a different offense. Came out of prison and then got falsely accused and was imprisoned again for two year until he was exonerated.
@Chystal its really sad to see people still thinking this way :( if you are willing to learn, there is a great documentary on Netflix called the 13th. I would highly recommend! it opened my eyes to a lot of things I was never taught or never heard about pertaining to black mistreatment in america.
@Jaelynn Bill he was held in jail awaiting trial. We don't know if he got proper compensation, in Sweden (I'm Swedish) you would have got something like 100.000$ even without demonstrating police/prosecution missconduct, but I think in some US states it's quite hard to get compensation for wrongful imprisonment.
He did not go to jail, he went to jail for 2 years for something else in the past. In literally says in the video "the girl was caught lying on the stand" and that Justin "was proven innocent beyond ALL reasonable doubt."
@gucci mane to you and everyone who does not know US criminal procedure: first you are arrested and charged with a crime. You have to have a trial to determine whether you are guilty of the crime you are charged with. If you are guilty you are sent to prison. For the time between the charge and the trial, you either have to stay in jail, or pay an amount of money called a bond. A bond is a deposit you make to the court; if you show up to your trial, you get your bond back, and if not, the court keeps it and they go find you (think Dog the Bounty Hunter; the bond is the bounty).
Anyway, if you can’t make the bond payment, you have to stay in jail until your trial. That’s fine except it can take several years for your trial to take place.
I haven’t looked at the facts of this case but my assumption is he was charged with burglary and assault; he couldn’t afford bond and so was in jail until his trial, two years later; and found not guilty at trial. He wasn’t falsely imprisoned as a legal matter because he was never legally imprisoned. This is exactly how the system is supposed to work: an innocent man was charged with a crime he did not commit, and found not guilty. If you think it’s unfair result, and obviously it is, look in to the bail bond system and why it should be reformed.
@Chystal you are taking one case that is an outlier to most cases. Why don’t we talk about the life sentences given to black folk for marijuana joints? Do white people get those? White people aren’t being targeted the way you think. Also there was no reason to mention the lady was Asian, her race is irrelevant to our discussion.
@gucci mane hold on he spend three for robbery and if he wasnt in county for two years how can the accuser lie in court multiple times. He probably was poor and couldnt bond out
Dixon is so intelligent he didn't even bother with trying to prove his innocence, he knew the truth would come out and he knew he'd get a big payday. Dixon a BOSS
imagine if the truth didn't come out though because all these police are against you and try to prove your guilt, this is why so many people spend years or even their life in prison for a crime they didn't commit. this guy is lucky he had witness's others are not so lucky its a horrible system.
He deserved every bit of that pay for his excellent character. He knew the detectives were trying to do their jobs and no arking up would have changed anything. Also glad those detectives got demoted for treating him unfairly and making false accusations against him saying they saw him do it 👍
@Hugo Chapon "I would commit suicide If I went to jail for a crime I did not commit lmao". "LMAO" Laughing my ass off? I would be on your side but the "lmao"?
@Kitkat 240 LOL means "Lots of laughs" and it's not used to express laughter these days, you know. It's more of a surprise reaction. It's the same case for LMAO, which is used more like an alternative for OMG. But ok, lets take worst case scenario: even if he wanted to say "Laughing my ass off", it wouldn't be in a positive way. You're literally taking the end of a sentence to define all its meaning when he clearly states what he would do in a certain situation. Plus, you're not in the right to tell anyone about what to joke about or not, and neither am I.
@Hugo Chapon yes okay I have No right to tell that person what that person can or can't say. That wasn't my intend. But that person has probably no clue about being in that situation and should think more about what that person is writing. Additionally with your logic you have No right to Correct me or even claim I was disrespectful
He got about 1/3 of what one of the arresting officers make in a year. The other one died of a "medical condition" before judgement, so Mr. Dixon didn't get anything from that estate.
@Chandra Napier You're completely right, it's nowadays the "official" meaning. The thing is that LOL appeared with the internet, and in most non-english countries it was given the meaning I mentioned, you can ask a French, a Spanish or an Indian and I would say that most of the time they will say the same haha. I even remember the times when it was "(a) Lot of Laughter"
@Kitkat 240 Even if it wasn't your intend, you still did it. And just as you say, "that person has probably no clue about being in that situation...", true, but it also means that he DOES probably have a clue about it, and therefore have that precise reaction. My objective wasn't to correct you to be sincere, it was to make clear that you thought(and probably you still do) he was making a joke when you had very little clue or didn't even ask at first. This guy might just have had painful rounds of depression, got out of it, and now know the value of life and express his thoughts in this harmless way and then you go in to assume it was a joke.
@Hugo Chapon Your whole comment is utter BS. "LMAO" is not used as an alternative for "OMG" and of course the ending of a sentence can very well define its meaning. And yes, it's disgusting to joke about suicide. Let's hope that no one you personally know ever takes his/her own life - I assure you, it's not funny in the slightest.
@MrGrumpyGills It's double BS not to give a single argument. Having a dark sense of humor isn't disgusting, to consider something humorous as serious for sure is, independently of what type of comedy you prefer, is always respectable. You don't know me, or either the entire population that have suffered any of the tragedy we're talking about, and you are in no position to tell anyone how to face it or talk about it(excepting when it's hateful), just let's stop giving lessons to random people.
@MrGrumpyGills Never said it was 100% disrespectful, having an open mind is key to finding what's wrong with what pactastic said, which hasn't to be a "sick joke".
@Noah Ds since when did I say so? And of course, you can think so, I won't be the one to tell you otherwise, you have your own experience and I have mine.
@Hugo Chapon LMAO is not an alternative to OMG. LMAO is used to express laughter, and humor, while OMG is used to express shock or disbelief. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
@Kitkat 240 you were correct to begin with. Words have power. This world was created by the Word. The tongue is the most powerful tool we have. Must have the knowledge that words can curse you and Demons will use what you say against you. I know full well.
There is NEVER a good reason to be in an interrogation room. The police CANNOT interrogate you without your permission. Being in an interrogation room means that you have waved your fifth amendment right to remain silent and it means you have waived your sixth amendment right to have an attorney present (who would have ended the interrogation as per your fifth amendment right).
By failing to invoke his Miranda rights, Mr. Dixon clearly demonstrates that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
@Hugo Chapon You are 100% correct, don't let these people get to you. I would have a little debate with them myself but to be honest I don't feel like it, but at least you are one smart person here :D.
@Kitkat 240 quite reasonable if he did do a normal medium crime let assume for 10 years the moment you get back into life you would have to redo everything not get hired because of ur record and boom you are now homeless basically forever. Some people just don’t have that much will
@OxiCleansGaming except that zoomers commonly use lmao and lol to express sarcasm or lighten a dark thought such as "I wanna die lmao" because we are depression meme poisoned. it's not making light of the subject or trying to indicate it's funny. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that slang is subject to evolution
This actually scares me. I believe I'm very much like the man in the white shirt. I believe I would be quite calm and collective and just trying to cooperate. It's crazy that it took them 3 days to even decide to investigate the security cameras. Glad those interrogators were disciplined.
What is more scary is it was mainly luck that set him free. Another investigator seperate from the current investigation that took place checked it and declared him to be innocent.
I mean if they’re able to do that the right way it is a good thing cause it can show skill in manipulating someone guilty into pouring out the truth when they have done it
@Paul Cowherd I mean, how does it make sense to be trying to extract a confession from someone that you have no evidence even committed the crime in question?????
@Ghosty Frost unless they hold and charge said person with the crime and pressure them to confess in order to get a reduced sentence as opposed to the maximum amount. For someone who doesn't understand their rights, can't afford a lawyer and has to deal with a bullshit public defender who barely passed the bar, they are going to take a plea. And this is the problem that the system has subjected mostly uneducated minorities to this kind of treatment for decades. Because the detectives know they can't afford proper representation that would have their "only lead" walk out that door instead of to holding in handcuffs.
@Ghosty Frost I'd say you're half right. It's good to be able to get guilty people to confess even without solid evidence, but it's a known phenomenon that sometimes innocent people confess to things they didn't do under unrelenting pressure and questioning.
at least here in the Philippines, that would be inadmissible as evidence unless the confession is made with the assistance of an independent lawyer, made in writing and signed by the hand of the suspect.
@TIV67 Playz Nah dude Jesus was "just" a prophet and Messiah. He isnt god and tbh I think you shouldnt pray to him but rather to god. Imo they are both seperate beings
@TIV67 Playz Idk if you think I meant good and not god or you made the same typo as me because thats the reason I edited my comment.
But anyway. Jesus didnt commit sins but he didnt die for our sins either. We are all responsible for our own actions. It doesnt make sense (to me) that God would forgive us our sins for killing his "supposedly" son. We will be able to have salvation because of gods mercy not because of Jesus. Jesus was a respectable and very precious Prophet and Messiah but he isnt god or the son of god. Not even metaphorically. Jesus isnt all-knowing omnipotent but god is. And Jesus prayed to god but he never sacrificed himself so our sins are forgiven. Thats what I believe in
I'm in a very religious country but I am not interested joining in. First. If God is real, why make humans believe other gods. Second. Why all those gods claims the one created the universe? (Sorry to my poor grammar)
@Lexterrific First: God doesnt make us do anything. We have free will. People create sects and religions with their free will.
Second: Many gods claim to be the one who created the universe because every religion want to have strong believers who trust that their god can do anything. Would you pray to a god who isnt all powerful? Who cant do anything he wants?
There are religions who have many gods with different powers and they all want to be worshippes but there can only be 1 true religion if there is one.
@Penthactus Soul I have a few questions. 1. Who is god? 2. If he exists, where is he and what does he do? 3. If a being like that exists, why does he wanna give birth to humans and then kill them? In my opinion, god is just made up and I don't think it is possible for a being like that to exist. This is just what I believe though, if you wanna believe in God then keep going, I have no problem with what you believe in.
Penthactus Soul I will happily continue this discussion tomorrow. You can respond now if you wish but I’ll only get to look at it tomorrow not available right now.
@Aryan 1. Im happy that you respect my religion and I respect you for not believing in god. You are still human and deserve to be treated right and respectfully. Doesnt matter if you share my religion or not.
2. God has 99 names who describe who he is. He is the most merciful, The Bestower of Mercy, The King and Owner of Dominion, The Absolutely Pure, The Perfection and Giver of Peace, The one who gives Eeman (Faith) and Security, The Guardian and Witness and Overseer, The All Mighty, The Compeller and Restorer, The Supreme and Majestic, The Creator and Maker, The Originator, The Fashioner/Designer, The All- and Oft-forgiving, The Subduer and Ever Dominating, The Giver of Gifts, The Provider, The Opener and the Judge, The All-knowing and the Omniscient, The Withholder, The Extender, The Reducer and the Abaser, The Exalter and The Elevator, The Honourer and the Bestower, The Dishonourer and the Humiliator, The All-Hearing, The All-Seeing, The Judge and the Giver of Justice, The Utterly Just, The Subtle One and the most Gentle, The Acquainted and the All-Aware, The most Forbearing, The Magnificient and the Supreme, The Forgiving and exceedingly Forgiving, The most Appreciative, The most High and the Exalted, The Greatest and the most Grand, The Preserver and the All-Heedful and All-Protecting, The Sustainer, The Reckoner and the Sufficient, The Majestic, The most Generous and the most Esteemed, The Watchful, The Responsive One, The All-Encompassing and the Boundless, The All-Wise, The Most Loving, The Glorious and the most Honorable, The Resurrector and the Raiser of Dead, The All- and Ever Witnessing, The Absolute Truth, The Trustee and the Disposer of Affairs, The All-Strong, The Firm and the Steadfast, The Protecting Associate, The Praiseworthy, The All-Enumerating and the Counter, The Originator and the Initiator, The Restorer and the Reinstater, The Giver of Life, The Bringer of Death and the Destroyer, The Ever-Living, The Sustainer and the Self-Subsisting, The Perceiver, The Illustrious and the Magnificient, The One, The Unique and the only One, The Eternal and the Satisfier of Needs, The Capable and the Powerful, The Omnipotent, The Expediter and The Promoter, The Delayer and the Retarder, The First, The Last, The Manifest, The Hidden One and the Knower of the Hidden, The Gouvernor and the Patron, The Self Exalted, The Source of Goodness and the kind Benefactor, The Ever-Pardoning and the Relenting, The Avenger, The Pardoner, The most Kind, Master of the Kingdom and owner of the Dominion, Possessor of Glory and Honour and the Lord of Majesty and Generousity, The Equitable and the Requiter, The Gatherer and the Uniter, The Self-Sufficient and the Wealthy, The Enricher, The Withholder, The Distresser, The Propitious and the Benefactor, The Light and the Illuminator, The Guide, The incomparable Originator, The Ever-Surviving, the Everlasting, The Inheritor and the Heir, The Guide and the infallible Teacher, The Forbearing and the Patient.
@Aryan 3. What does he do? The names also describe what he does but Im gonna give it some context (for the lack of a better word). God is watching over us rn. Protecting us and gouverning us. He is protecting and sustaining us. We cant control everything. For example we cant control how our organs work. We dont make them work. Who makes sure that our organs do what they are supposed to do and not fail? Thats god. Who makes it possible for us to work and get food? Who makes sure that no situation happens that stops us from getting food? Thats all god. He is in Heaven but All-Present. God is always with us, watching us and protecting us in a way.
4. God never gave birth to us. He created us but he never gave birth. He just needs to say "Be" and there it is. And he doesnt want to kill us like you think. He lets us live in this world as a test. You know the Phrase "nothing lasts forever" ? Its because everything we see and feel will be gone sooner or later. The buildings, the plants, we ourselves the humans, the earth, the sun, the solar system etc.
This life is a test to see who follows his commendments who doesnt. When death comes and the end of the world, we will be resurrected and god will judge us. He decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. This life is full of happy and sad things. Its a test. If you win the test you will be happy in paradise forever. Thats why we will die. Every soul will taste death and we shouldnt be scared of it.
Its ok if you dont believe that god exists. But let me ask you sth. Everything has a cause. Like the saying "Nothing comes from nothing". It means in this case that if nothing existed before the Universe then the Universe cant exist. There has to be sth that has a beginning.
Everything has a cause but lets say god who created the universe also has a god who created him. Who created that god then? And who created that god? It goes on forever and the conclusion is that its impossible that god or sth like god doesnt exist.
For examole you are a soldier and you wait for your commander to give you the order to shoot the target. But that commander waits for his commander to give the order. But that commander also has a commander who waits for an order. Ans at the end you will never shoot the target. Therefor the universe never has been created. But it was created. We are living inside the universe. We are living proof that we exist so there has to be a commander who stands above all to give the order so you can finally shoot the target.
@Joshua S Thats ok. Im gonna ask you some questions now. I dont mind waiting for answers.
So do you believe in the Leibnizian principle? That everything has a cause? As the saying goes "Nothing comes from nothing" ?
I believe in it because to me thats the only logical explanation on how we came to existence. I dont wanna be the guy to say "Read my last comment I explained it there" but you can read it if you want. But I dont mind repeating myself because I imagine it would be annoying for you.
So imagine being a soldier and you wait for an order from your commander to shoot the target you have infront of you. But that commander has to wait for his commander to give him the order to be able to give you the order. But that commander also has a commander and has to wait for an order. And that commander too. So it goes on like this forever and in the end you will never shoot the target. Therefor we will never exist. But we do exist right? We are proof to ourselves that we exist. So there has to be a beginning that is the start of everything which has no beginning itself. I believe in god who created everything that exists. Touchable or not. Like time. Because you cant ask "What was before god?" Because there wasnt anything before god. He created time itself. It sounds like fantasy but if you really think about it its the only explanation. Maybe it explains how we have such fantasy to begin with idk. But the point is that there has to be a god. Otherwise we would have never existed.
If you think that Something actually can come out of nothing then please prove to me where it exists. Show me an example. Because there are a trillion things of evidence that everything has a cause. And I never saw 1 thing can came out of nothing.
Lets take it to science a bit. We have 2 theories. That god exists and that god doesnt exist. I have much more things to back up my theory because I have a trillion examples of how sth came out of sth else. But you wouldnt have even 1 example of sth that came out of nothing. So scientists would approve and support my claim.
Think about it. Doesnt it make more sense that god or sth like god exists? A design needs a designer. A creation needs a creator.
We can discuss if this is the only life we have and that we should live like we want and stuff like that after we cleared up this question first.
@Penthactus Soul thank you so much for answering these questions. I've been meaning to ask them for so long. When I ask these questions to my parents they start to think that I don't believe in their religion and then get offended. Religion is very interesting to talk about so I still have a few questions. 1.Where is heaven and hell? is it on earth? is it on another planet? is it on a completely different dimension? Earth can not be the only planet with life, there are more than 10,000 planets in our galaxy alone that are similar to the earth. So does that mean there are billions of god's in our universe looking over planets with life? If god is "protecting" us, then why doesn't he make things like harmful viruses, harmful diseases, natural disasters go away?
@Aryan When I was younger and me and my siblings lived with my grandparents I also had questions about our religion. They didnt get offended but they just answered with "Because god said so" "because its in our book" "You have to believe in god blindly" and that pushed me away from religion big time.
So to your first question. Heaven and hell are in another dimension or different state of existence. When we die we will be punished or rewarded in our grave. Existing in another dimension between the worldly dimension and the afterlife. Then we will be resurrected to be judged. And then we will go to another dimension where heaven and hell are. We cant see heaven or hell while we live. We will never even in a trillion years be able to see the heaven or hell or what happens in the graves while we live.
2nd it would be naive to think we are the only sentient intelligent beings in the whole universe but the reason its not talked about in my religion is because god knows aliens arent sth we should be worried about. We wont be in contact with aliens ever so its not written in our book where only the important things are written down.
I believe aliens exist but they wont ever have anything to do with us. So its irrelevant to fantasize about them. At least while we live.
Think about the names god has. He is the only one and he is all knowing all powerful. He created everything. So there no lesser gods watching over other planets. God himself is looking over everything that exists. He sees and oversees everything from galaxies to black small ants at night. He sees everything and watches over everything and keeps everything intact. And its very easy for him.
God is protecting us in a way. He isnt protecing us from everything. Because then there would be no point in testing us in this life. We have good phases in our lives to appreciate the gifts god gave us and we have bad phases where we still appreciate what god gave us and pray for better things because we know god is the only one who can hurt or help us. He has the power and control over everything. But he still gave us free will. So its a test if we follow his commendments or not while we have hardships in our life.
It wouldnt be much of a test if god takes all hardships from our life away. And god created for every disease a cure. Its us who decide if we want to work to find a cure. And if we want to find a cure to cure all people or to find a cure for our own gain to make the most money off of it.
@Penthactus Soul I do believe that everything has a cause: science. Through the process of evolution, humanity came to be and came to thrive, leading us to become the most intelligent creatures on the planet. Only with this intelligence comes the belief in God. If there really was an omnipotent being out there, why wouldn't it prevent all the misfortunes humanity faced daily. Answer that for me.
@Joshua S Before I get into this I wanna know sth. Is the only reason you dont believe in god that because humanity suffers a lot or is it just the first question you wanna ask?
Penthactus Soul I have many reasons not to believe in a being that could do anything yet chooses not to because it enjoys humanity’s suffering. That was just my first question.
My Dad's the same way. It's amazing how clam he can be in a stressful scary situation. Years of learning how to be calm with his abusive Dad... And sadly probably the same reason this guy is so calm too. Trying to be calm and respectful toward someone who has your life in their hands :( I'm so glad he got reimbursement for the ordeal...
@Mrs. K That sounds great and most unusual if your father managed to heal from childhood trauma by himself. Did he maybe learn hos´w to use himself in his profession?
That was fkng INFURIATING to watch. Those poor men. I cannot imagine how frustrating, terrifying, and horrifying it would be to be in that position. Knowing you’re innocent and having an investigator telling you otherwise with such conviction... gah. I’m so glad the Canadian cop was at least reprimanded for his abhorrent behavior. He should have been fired and jailed, though.
What makes it even worse is that the suspect has to juggle with what they feel they can and can't say without further incriminating themselves. The entire investigation becomes a farce due to both parties being trapped in a game of cat and mouse.
I gotta give credit to him for how calm and respectful he was during the entirety of the proccess. I wouldn't have been able to keep my cool the way he did. And the way he talked too, so articulate. Seems like a clever guy as well as a cool one.
It's Canada too from all my encounters talking to Canadians they've always been positive. It seems public relations with police in a America are super bad. So it's nice to see a different perspective.
I think he was in shock/ couldn't believe it was happening and was confused. The interrogator was so "convinced" that it made the situation even more bizarre. What's the point of even bringing him in the room just to say "I know you did it, there's no conversation to be had". Everything about it was confusing.
yeah, dude even had the presence of mind to ask to be able to call in to work to let them know he wouldn't be able to come in the next morning. this is what a real man looks like..
It's painful to see that what made this take so long to be dealt with was that he viewed the interrogation as an honest, good faith process and was simply being a good, helpful person - which made him look to this cephalitic bitch like he was guilty.
@mak0001 You can compare Canadian politeness to southern hospitality. While it's somewhat customary, it's also a cover for serious racism and abuse of power. Have you seen any of the brutality videos when Cdn police smash on people? Especially Indigenous and POC? I've seen it first hand. Canada wants "the good" image to prevail, but the mask is slipping.
Kyle Mouttet haha, it’s funny you say that. Because the entire time, I was watching it. I kept thinking to myself: I’d need to let my work know I can’t make it in. Lol
I feel so bad for him, imagine getting out of prison, realizing you need to turn your life around, walk the straight and narrow do that for 2 years only to be imprisoned for a crime you didn't commit, for over 2yrs but from his perspective not knowing how long he will be incarcerated for, or whether he will ever be able to prove his innocence and get out early. The feeling of helplessness, betrayal and anger he faced daily for years while falsely incarcerated. Being in prison with those feelings, and still trying to walk the straight and narrow and not get in any extra trouble in jail. I'm extremely impressed, & amazed that he was able to control his emotions & maintain hope while incarcerated, and didn't let his emotions corrupt, and harden him and take away his hope.
Many people facing very extended prison sentences have a hard time with their emotions, most people eventually give up hope, get depressed and become suicidal... the fact he was falsely imprisoned, while living as a law abiding citizen, completely innocent, not knowing how long he would be imprisoned for, whether or not he would ever be able to prove his innocence, must have made those feelings, & emotions even stronger and even harder to resist. Doing so is an amazing testament to his outstanding character, unchallenged metal strength & fortitude, but even so I'm sure being falsely imprisoned for over 2 years changed him on a very deep lvl and he will never be the same.
Edit: Their seems to be a tad bit of confusion as to whomever my comment is in reference to. As to whom my comment is referring to, I'm talking about Justin who is the Caucasian gentlemen. I'm not talking about Michael who is the African American gentlemen, who is featured as the main subject in the video.
Edit 2: the white guy justin did time for a past crime, burglary I think...? But then got out of prison, got his life on track, then was falsely accused by candy and was arrested & unjust & falsely imprisoned for over 2yrs while awaiting his trial. Yes yall are right in saying that he was proved innocent before his trial, but that doesnt mean that he still didnt face incarceration, because if you cant pay bail or dont quality for bail like he didnt, then your held either until your trial and found innocent and released or you remain incarcerated until you have served the maximum possible sentence that can be given for the alleged crime your awaiting trial for.
Example... your buddy throws a beer bottle down but it hits a cop accidentally! He looks up but sees you not your buddy, your buddy runs off but the cop comes and arrests you. The maximum possible sentence for smashing a beer bottle onto a cop is 5yrs, so if you serve those 5yrs before your able to go to trial, where at trial you'll either prove it was your friend & subsequently be found innocent & released. Or you serve out the maximum sentence possible of 5yrs which can be severed in alot less time than 5yrs in reality, more like 2-3yrs. As you can receive time taken off your sentence for good behavior.
Plus you can receive comparatively large chunks of time being taken off your total sentence, being offered 2-3x time served per day/week but being conditional on you participating in the programs that are offered inside the prison that are in place to help you gain skills, knowledge, or to help you learn coping mechanisms to treat certain types of negative behavior. The Govt logic is that you will be incentivized into taking the classes by getting reduced time, the Gov't logic/goal is to help you with those classes. So when your released, even if it's now way earlier than beforehand because you've taken bunches of classes, that by taking all those classes you will end up becoming a smarter, all around better person, hopefully that will become a law abiding, tax paying productive member of society when your released!
Theirs been cases of people screaming and declaring they have video evidence that will immediatly exonerate themselves from the alleged crime, but still have to wait until the trial where evidence is entered & disclosed to everyone. Even if it proves your innocence you cant show anyone until the trial... :(
Wait what? Did I miss something? I thought he was imprisoned as guilty, subsequently got his life together, then was tossed into this bullshit situation with Candy essentially framing him, and he got off? Are you saying he served time again?
You guys are mixing everything up. The white guy served jail for 2 years, and was living a honest life after leaving jail until he was falsely accused of burglary. He was not arrested and the prosecutors found out he was innocent. The black guy was never jailed before and spent 3 DAYS in jail until some decent investigator actually took the time to do a proper investigation and find out he was obviously innocent.
@smmoffat yes, in the video it mentions he spent another 2 years in prison for being falsely accused as well!!! He did not go home after that interview :(
I thought the same thing. He should have sued them for making him spend 2 years in prison for a crime he obviously didn’t commit. You could tell by his behavior that he had been trying so hard to be a good person and was so frustrated that this situation was happening to him anyway. That really isn’t fair. He was telling them how hard he was trying to do everything right with so much emotion. This was heartbreaking to me. He knew he had been a better person and this was still happening to him
@smmoffat I think you are correct. Not the original poster. He did some time for legit burglary. Eventually got his life together. And then got falsely accused. In this case reoffenders get locked up of two years. And he was facing a long time behind bars. But in this case he did not server them. They proved it wasn't him.
Jennifer Fletcher seriously. It pains me to watch him explain to the cops how hard he worked. It really displays the true injustice that is brought onto the innocent from time to time. Absolutely unacceptable behavior. 🤦♂️
@Internet Explorer if your comment is directed towards me, I know it's not Michael, I made an edit to my original comment for people to understand the subject of my statement better.
@psychopomp of styx the white guy justin did time for a past crime, burglary I think...? But then got out of prison then got his life on track, then was falsely accused by candy and falsely imprisoned for over 2yrs while awaiting his trial. Yes yall are right saying that he was proved innocent before his trial, but that doesnt mean that he didnt still face incarceration, because he was incarcerated for those 2yrs waiting and leading up to his trial date. It wasn't until after he had already served those 2yrs while in custody awaiting trial for said crime that he was proved innocent and subsequently released. Re watch that part of the video JCS explains it and makes it all clear.
Shouldn't it be a crime using false evidence and ignoring things like the witness description of the suspect in interrogations? how can something like this be allowed? no wonder there are cases of innocent people getting jailed for years.
im not a hundred percent sure but in some cases you need to repeat a question or your actions as a officer to the suspect, like they r obligated to say at least an specific amount of time something like “put your hands up or ill shoot” or “come outside or we will come in armed” so maybe thats also one the cases
It’s a interrogation technique. Repeating the questions with someone who is lying they typically change the story with each telling. But yeah, it can be annoying
I know this is nothing compared to what these poor guys went through, but I can't help but think of a time when I was about 11 or 12 years old and my mom accused me of stealing $20 (which I didn't). I reacted very strongly and she kept saying "If you didn't do it, why are you yelling?". To this day it makes me angry.
@Max Stanley No, that's not "being a mom". It's a warning sign and depending on the reaction and if it happens more times, it can become a problem. That's not how healthy relationships with any people are built
Yeah, I honestly have been accused of stupid shit CRITICALLY throughout my childhood via my parents as well. It truly is infuriating. My mom was fist fighting with her bf and then questioned as soon as I got home if I was on meth, and I said honestly and STERNLY "no." What does this woman say? "The first step is admitting you have a problem, because you're denying it we know you're doing it" I calmly stated that since they were so bent on their own perspective, it would be impossible to properly judge the situation or hear me out, even if I was being truthful. That seemed to boggle my mother a bit 😂😂😂😂
I grew up in a foster home with 8 foster girls and one actual daughter. Taking the blame for things I didn't do and being forced into counseling and drug tests became 2nd nature to me. Her actual daughter could do no wrong and it really skewed my few on others.
That's a good point. The only time I was ever truly falsely accused of something I didn't do and never believed was in school when another kid got hit or something was thrown at him. The teacher stood me up in front of class and blamed me and refused to believe me. I was about 10 years old and not that sort of kid so I have no idea why I was singled out like that. But the feeling of deep injustice stays with me. The feeling of powerlessness at having no way to prove it while a big burly teacher shouts at you and makes you feel tiny and stupid and wrong. It's only a fraction of what these people must be going through. I can imagine it messing with your world.
Used to happen to me but I got good with arguing and I got good a worlds now I can lie and no one would ever know and I can tell when someone’s lying even if it’s somthing as small as what they are but yeas perents act like children more than children act like children and you can’t say no
Have you been accused of faking sickness? 😭😭 for me that was the worst. I had pneumonia at like 12yo, 104 temp and they locked me in a room and said I didn’t need medicine or a doctor because I was just faking it 😭😭 threw up and shaking, no food, just water
@KipechaWolfe Ortiz it’s the way they love projecting 😭😭 I point it out to them and they go insane, but it’s worth it because there’s no way they’re accusing me of lying when they’re the ones doing the most fucked up shit! I don’t want anything to do with them
When I was 14, I was cutting school to see a girl. I ended up finding myself In the back of an NYPD patrol car because I fit the description of someone who broke into someone’s home and smashed this 70 something year old’s head onto a kitchen counter.
After they called school to see if i was present in the morning, which i was; I only cut the last two classes of the day, they still kept me at the precinct in handcuffs. Why? The detective felt my chest and my heart was racing and he kept repeating “We got you kiddo.”
No dumbfuck, my heart is racing because i’ve never been in handcuffs and i’m 14 being accused of attacking an old lady and ransacking the home.
Well, granny’s neighbor came by and said “that’s not him. He looks like a toddler.” I ended up finding out who it was and it was 4 seniors in my high who look nothing like me. They were all white, greasy leather jacket wearing dorks.
To this day it makes me laugh how a detective with a college degree was convinced i did it because my heart was racing.
After the neighbor told them it was 100% not me, they took off the cuffs and didn’t mutter a word to me as i put on my bookbag and left.
Dumb fucks.
To this day i have never told anyone in my family that story which is funny because both my brother and sister work in law enforcement. I was more afraid of admitting i had cut class to see a girlfriend and preferred to not talk about that.
my teacher did it too at one of our tests,, the question asked for our personal opinion, and so i did gave her my answer which was quite long. She accused me that i googled the answer even though she confiscated our phones before the test. And i failed the class, what a fun time
How Michael remained so calm and composed throughout that was so crazy, I was infuriated for him! So happy those investigators and detective got what they had coming to them.
@Dee Coley Well u cant comment on "these" videos simultaneously without commenting on "this" video. And excuses cant help, just say that u misread it, it's fine.
This has happened to me twice. literally just walking to work just because I'm hispanic and looked like the person who robbed someone else. I used to shave my head. now I don't out of that fear of being always stopped and questioned for something I didn't do. it's crazy how they incentivize for putting people away rather than finding the truth...
Guaranteed you think it’s because you were Hispanic, but you either matched the description pretty well or there were some other things at play. I’ve gotten questioned because police got a call of a tall fit white dude with brown hair. I’m overweight, but they made a mistake because it was super dark and I was wearing a super puffy sweater. I could have been half my size and still looked big bc of my sweater, so I got questioned. But I could also say “just because im white” and suddenly demonize people who made a mistake.
@TheOneThatHungers Because the officer in question saw his skin color, subconsciously profiled him based on his race, and treated him as guilty afterwards. It absolutely could've been "just because he was Hispanic"
@Nathan The simplest reason is the most likely. Any other reason you can think of as for why he was randomly treated as guilty? The cop just...felt like it?
@Minurz for the record and being Hispanic myself, this tends to be because Hispanics tend to commit more crime than certain races through an officers experience thus causing cases like these to happen at times. Now before you try to argue with me on that, it’s something that’s more or less known in stats and well you can even see it in the home countries where crime is rampant.
Definitely not justifying what police do by any means, just saying it’s something that’s just gonna happen to potentially a lot of them. It’s sad a truth, but the only thing that could be really done here in mine and other Hispanic’s cases are to know our rights and be ready for a situation to hopefully come out of that situation without much issue, and this really could be something that applies to everyone that’s also not Hispanics as clearly shown by the other guy that got imprisoned due to false charges.
@Minurz okay, I don’t understand your first point, as it doesn’t change the statistic. I’d also say that is false in terms of the reason for living conditions being that way and I actually find it insulting that you think Hispanics couldn’t get better living conditions were a few things changed.
Now in my case my parents came into the US via crossing the border, however they did it during a time when regulations were more loose and were able to get jobs without needing social security number or any of the forms of ID that would give them away that they were in the US illegally. Though this changed after 9/11 and my dad left his job before they started cracking down on people that didn’t have a visa or something to show that they were a citizen of the US. There were ways of much my family earned money via my dad being a taxi driver for a short while, and getting another job which you can say that company was bending the rules enough as it was and it’s possible some fraud might’ve been going on there for a bit. The job was selling stuff, however the boss did at times try to get out of paying the people that worked under him knowing they couldn’t do anything as they were in the US illegally, however he left and became a distributor of another company by making his own company and my mom did the same. It wasn’t a killing by any means but it was the best and only way to negate any sort of checks. However, not every Hispanic was as lucky as my family. I’ve seen that they typically don’t tend to make much due to having some terrible bosses that abuse the fact that they aren’t here legally. Though there have been some ways to get around it, as because these are communities networking can be very important here and can help them from issues with getting a job.
Not to say that all of them come here illegally as that’s not always the case but that’s what was common in the community I lived in, but luckily everyone was pretty tight knit so people tended to look out for one another.
One more thing I also forgot to mention is that Hispanics that also tend to come into the US aren’t exactly fully educated at most they graduate High School if not then they don’t finish High School, and thus don’t specialize in any sort of field leaving them to get jobs that don’t pay much. This is also an issue back in a lot of Latin American home countries which tends to be the reason for them immigrating to the US, it’s not because of any sort of oppression in the US, and again I find it insulting when Hispanics in their home country know what real oppression is, and how badly the poverty is there and would much rather live in the US than in their home countries.
So to summarize, the issues with Hispanics having worse living conditions tends to be because of illegally coming into the US, and well issues within their own home countries which leads them to not have the highest of education which makes them get jobs that aren’t high paying but they see it as definitely better pay then at home because at least you’re not starving. In other words you can say it’s problems from their home country that tend to carry over into the US sometimes which causes these issues, it’s definitely dealt a bad hand in life which is difficult to overcome because of how bad it is in Latin American countries.
Like I said I’m not justifying any racist actions or extreme actions that they do on their part because that’s on the police. The thing is what do you wish for them to do, because people that talk about this don’t offer a solution to these issues, being more targeted because of the issues within our community yeah it’s definitely bad, so just knowing our rights is the best we can do. In terms of being convicted with lack of evidence is something that can happen to anyone not just Hispanics, it tends to be higher with Hispanics not because of racism but because of the statistics in crime among Hispanics. So you’re more likely to see a Hispanic get arrested for false charges then a white person. In that case, it’s more of a problem within the police force’s way of jailing people even when there isn’t good enough evidence for it. It pisses me off to no end that people make this a race issue rather than an issue with the police which gets nothing and it’s infuriating.
@Reflex You're seeing insult where there is none. I don't get how you can get offended over another group of people oppressing hispanics when you yourself believe the fault is from your own people. But regardless, for half a millennia, Hispanics have been oppressed by Europeans, and later Americans. The Central American caste systems, colonialism, then American seizure of Mexican territory, and just recently American corporate takeover of the Latin economy are why central America suffers more than the US.
You know that Hispanics are illegally coming to the US, but you don't seem to understand why. Recently, many US corporations, especially corn companies have begun over the past decades to buy out Mexican and central american land to mass produce product. Because of their massive resource base they are able to produce and sell more efficiently and cheaper than the indivual farmers who had already been there. As a consequence, these farmers are rendered jobless from competition, and out of desperation they come to the US looking for a way to make a living. They arent taking our jobs, we took theirs. In no way is this the fault of them, rather it is the fault of American corporate greed.
I'm here for two things: 1. The video and its entertaining points and analysis (like seriously, I can watch this content for hours) 2. To stand up for JCS because of what Youtube did to them It disappoints me to see how such a lovely channel is getting destroyed by this shitty platform Whoever did this, fuck off and just let us enjoy this gem of a channel.
Youtube keeps punishing jcs because their content includes “violence” and jcs is considering not uploading anymore it seems. Look in their community tab they made a post about it
The fact that investigators can just lie to you to admit something you didn’t do is disturbing and should be illegal. This investigator should be relieved of his job for doing this. Garbage human
This happened to me, as a female in Ohio in 2000. 3 days in a small, Oakwood Village cell. Swastika on the wall over my bed. Tomato juice and a slice of bread each day. Barely an apology. The judge was furious and I got very little money from the situation.
@Schulz Scheiße Oakwood Village is a small town. they’re literally less than 5000 people. They have less than a seventh of the student population at Harvard, and Harvard is a highly exclusive university. You’ve probably met or interacted with more people in your life than they have living in their town.
@Schulz Scheiße The fact they felt the need to include "as a female" almost entirely implies they are a liar. Gender plays no role in innocence vs guilt.
@Luke 03 Wouldn't that make it more detestable that she was falsely arrested, and therefore worth making note of? I think gender plays a significant role when talking about crime, prison conditions, social interactions related to the legal system, and expectations of treatment during confinement. Any of which is valid enough to state you gender for.
Here's a tip: If you're brought in to be interrogated for something you didn't do and it seems like the cops are convinced that you did it, you still want to lawyer up even though you didn't do it. Lawyers know more about the law than you.
There is a difference between a "mistake" and this. If a doctor makes a mistake, thats horrible, but if the mistake is due to unprofessional behaviour and straight up bad treatment we face major legal charges. Not just "getting demoted".
Just makes me even more sad because i think this is more a rarity that the truth comes out and the cops get punished. And it's scary... and that you have to be scared of the police, even if you're innocent, is sickening.
"The truth is paramount" and then the detective proceeds to entangle the suspect in lies by trying to give false information and making the suspect seem guilty and then treats him as a criminal giving him little respect treating him as if hes comited the crime he has no evidence of.
From out of nowhere when i was waiting for a train, police came. I had to stand and pose while a witness was sitting in a patrol car 50 meters away, then they said that it is 100 % me. I still didnt know what i was suspected of. They took me to jail and 38 hours later i got released. Apparently there was an attempted robbery in a store in the robber wore a black jacket. I wore a black jacket but there was no way in hell that my jacket looked the same. It was a very unusual fabric and expensive and nobody would ever rob a store wearing the kind of jacket i was wearing. When i was released there was even a little note in the paper(News) that the suspected robber was now released. Eventually i got cleared of all charges and stuff, but i have ptsd after getting kidnapped from The Streets and not knowing why, and locked up for 38hours.i had no control
Makes me angry that these investigative tactics are deployed with no care or follow up. Imagine if a second investigator doesn’t follow up this guy would still be sitting in jail.
I’ve been wrongfully convicted, even with victim testifying and said she lied. And the officer even testified and said non of my prints was on the gun i allegedly held to the victims head, I couldn’t afford a real attorney, and I had very poor communication skills at the time 2004. Didn’t even know anything about the constitution until recently. Ruin my life, I don’t have $20k to appeal my case.
I went through something very similar. In the 90’s a guy I knew was burglarizing houses. When he got caught he said I did most of them. I was arrested at home and interrogated for 6 hours. Thankfully, my punchcard at work proved my innocence. Years later I saw him at a Home Depot and he ran as soon as he saw me. He’s dead today…super karma.
Omg! This poor guy! He’s soo nice and agreeable!!! In the meantime they’re screwing him over big time! Innocent until proven guilty??? What happened? Can’t believe they do the same shit as they do in the US. I’m very happy he got some money! AND that the bad guys were fired or demoted!
I get the feeling cops, detectives, and prosecutors would rather put an innocent man in prison and let the actual criminal go free than admit they couldn't find the guy.
They need to reopen that "detectives" previous cases, he straight up went in there and told the dude "why'd you do it" said they had overwhelming evidence, witnesses and a video of him doing it, he should've just been fired instead of demoted
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John Whitesel2022-01-25 09:31:34 (edited 2022-01-25 09:43:25 )
Always ask for a lawyer. Demand a lawyer. You can help all you want through a lawyer and the police can't use it against you. "I guess I need a lawyer then?" is not considered asking for a lawyer which is why the detective keeps questioning him. This is US, though... at the end it is revealed the guy is in Canada. They don't have a 6th amendment so not sure what to tell you.
This video is great, but I have to stop watching. Wrongful arrests are incredibly hard to watch. To know these guys didn't do a thing and are being treated like animals. It's infuriating.
Hey. Sorry to hear what happened with JCS. I loved watching these videos they were really well made and researched. YouTube has been going down hill for years. People can't swear, demonitisation left and right, and now taking down videos discussing interrogations? There wasn't anything wrong with these types of videos. There are plenty of other copycats doing the exact same types of videos since you were doing them. But they only go after you since you were the biggest? Really hope you can find a platform to post new content on, even if its paid. Fuck YouTube.
@Laurie Braxton A lot of JCS videos are about homicide cases, which YouTube decided is a violation of their “Violence” and “Sensitive Events” guidelines.
that detective was a douchebag, if I was in that situation and he said "we already know you're guilty, so half of the questions we're supposed to ask you are off the table" I would lose my shit.
I know there are good cops out there. One must have hope, after all. But after years of watching real police cases and the such, it has dawned on me that it is a fact that police very rarely look to catch criminals. That is not their job. Their job begins and ends with having someone to charge, to put in front of the judge. Police very rarely spend the time looking to see if the person they have arrested is innocent, only following up those leads if could lead to proving them as lies, and only in the cases where they feel they need more evidence to get a conviction. Once they have a suspect, all other avenues go out the window and are demeaned not necessary to pursue.
The Canada charter or rights and freedom states : ''Anyone person charged with an offence has the right to be presumend innocnat until proven guilty according to the law in a fair and public hearing gy an independent and impartial tribunal''
I swear bro some of these investigators are simply out for blood. They accuse random people either because they are power hungry, or because they want money and promotions.
Listen if you guys see this i know your stuggles on YouTube, i watch your videos at work along side podcasts, and i thought you guys would make great podcasts, maybe youd be able to get nore freedom on spotify? Or patreon, i know youd lose the video part but if im being honest, your explanations and audio are good enough for me to almost never need to check. Just a suggestion, i wish you all the best of luck in the future
Suitable outcome for this gentlemen. I hope that $45K was cash in pocket and not devoured by lawyers fees. That questioning officer shouldn't even be airing up the tires on police bicycles after this. We all heard him say that he understood and acknowledges his duty, promised to do it and then didn't. Perhaps the roles should've been reversed.
When the suspect is the best detective in the interrogation room
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Xam Xamben2022-01-23 04:25:31 (edited 2022-01-23 04:26:39 )
I got picked out of police lineup as a murderer they were convinced they had their man unfortunately for them after hour of intimidation and their stupidity my whereabouts were proven as I was a 1000 miles away I did not know the deceased and my DNA was not at the scene and the DNA found was not on their records. at one point asked me to admit guilt and I would get a lighter sentence guess. That`s why the system constantly incarcerates innocent people.
Wait, wait,wait...the "investigator" says to the suspect "How can you prove to me that you were at home"??? Uh, I think this is an example of a cop who needs to go back to Cop School for a little refresher training.....it's is not the responsibility of the suspect to prove his or her innocence....it is the OBLIGATION of the police to prove the suspect's guilt. FFS....
Your founding fathers gave you the fifth ammend for a reason. It's the last line of defense between your freedom and pieces of shit like this detective. This guy was EXTREMELY lucky to not accidentally incriminate himself. The entire porpouse for these interviews, is to get a confession or any kind of incriminating statement from you, and (this is crazy) can not ever be used by your defense in court. Do not talk to the police, ever.
I would’ve let the detective know that I’m pressing charges and that I’d have his pretty little badge and I’d personally make sure he wouldn’t be able to get another job in law enforcement
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walter kersting2022-01-29 02:21:25 (edited 2022-01-29 02:33:02 )
I suppose if you retain a lawyer they keep you overnight, but here is a good example of a guy who should have a lawyer.
By the way, this is the reason, why a confession proves nothing. You do not know the state of mind of a suspect under the given circumstance. People confess all kinds of stuff, depending what situation they assume they're in. We as a society should stop accepting a confession as sufficient evidence for guilt and then change our legal system. Same is actually the case for eyewitnesses, specifically, if there is only one eyewitness. Both are extremely weak forms of evidence. A scientist worth his salt won't even discuss a new discovery based purely upon reports of eyewitnesses. He will ask: Can I see the data? Did you take pictures? No? Still interesting but come back, once you have some pictures that prove your discovery. Do not draw them, use a camera. See you soon.
If this allows some suspects to get away with a crime, so be it. But incarcerating inocent humans is much less tolerable.
A confession combined with sleep deprivation, relentless probing and trauma from being accused has been proven by science that even innocent people confess to get the situation over with.
I had a very similar experience to Michael some years back.. I had been renting an apartment with some friends for a couple years. Our landlord was a police officer for the city. This also happened in Ontario. Toward the end of my time at the apartment my friends and I had a bit of a falling out over my struggle with opioids. I had gotten a bit behind on my rent, but had worked out an arrangement with the landlord and was paying extra to catch up. One day I get a call from him telling me that since I had not only failed to make those extra payments, but had still not been paying my rent that I needed to leave immediately. (This is illegal, especially in January). Also, I had been paying my rent, but my roommate/best friend since highschool for over a decade had been using my money to pay his rent, and than partying his rent money away. I said nothing. I packed my belongings and left. I moved in with a girl friend I've known my whole life. She lived in this big beautiful condo, it was much quieter and much more comfortable. One night around Christmas there was a break in. Some people got into the common room of the building and stole the TV. About 2 months later there's a knock on the door. She answers and there are 2 cops standing there. They point at me and ask if they can speak to me in the hallway. I go to the door and they grab me and throw me against the wall and tell me they have a warrant for my arrest. They then proceed to ask me my name... I said you have a warrant with my name, so you should know. They took my wallet out of my pocket and pulled my ID and took my info. I asked what I was being arrested for and they said theft under $5000. I asked what I stole and they said the TV... I had no clue what they were talking about so I asked what TV. "How many TVs did you steal?" He answered. I said none, and was taken to the local PD. I had my friend call my dad to get ahold of our attorney. When we entered they took me in, printed me and emptied my pockets of all items into an inventory bag. They proceeded to take my belt, pants, and sweater "for my safety". Once I had been thoroughly humiliated two of the officers said to me "so this is that deadbeat who owes (former police landlord) all that money". They made it clear that the reason I was there was retribution. I corrected them, told them how I had Infact paid what I owed, but had also just paid rent for the month when I was evicted, so my landlord actually owed me $600." They didn't like it very much and put me in a freezing cold concrete box of a cell with a plexiglass wall. After a couple hours an officer came down and took me to an interrogation room. He told me that I was being charged, what for etc. Said they had evidence but if I would tell them who had the TV and who helped me that it would help me get a reduced sentence since it was my first offence. I told him he didn't have any evidence so I wasn't going to help him. He told me again that he did and was going to give me some time to think it over and than one chance to tell the truth or he'd make sure I was punished to the fullest extent. Back in the cell in my underwear for a couple more hours. Eventually he comes back and asks me what I want to do. I say again that I know he doesn't have any evidence. He tells me "We have you on video breaking into that room with 2 other guys and stealing the TV. It's plain as day you, we had people in the building ID you. It's you." At this point I just smiled and said "bullshit you do". He asked me how I know that it's bullshit so I told him exactly how I knew.. not only did I NOT steal the TV or have any involvement whatsoever, but I had NEVER ONCE, NOT EVER, SET ONE FOOT IN THAT ROOM. NOT EVEN FOR A SECOND. After I said that, he asked me how many pairs of shoes I own. I looked at my shoes and pointed and he says "that it?" I says "yup". He asks if I own shoes with red laces. I say I do not. He leaves the room briefly. When he comes back he says "look, there are 2 cameras in the lobby, one on between the 2 doors of the main entrance, and one in the hallway. The hallway one wasn't working that night, and the one from the entrance is angled as such that we can only see feet. Around 330AM 3 sets of feet walk up to the door and go inside. They take the TV off the wall and walk it out the back door to the parking lot next door. There are no faces." He takes me out of the room, gives me back my clothes and I was driven home. That was the day I learned that cops not only can lie to you, but WILL and probably are lying to you.
@Ella Brown I'm totally fine now, thank you. I try to back the blue despite the several awful interactions I've had with police over my lifetime. I try to keep in mind that its not all cops and that there are bad apples in all walks of life... However, these days it seems increasingly challenging to keep that mindset, especially in Canada. More and more it seems like the police serve and protect themselves and the people who pay them rather than the public and that the good ones are rooted out. I was lucky that my innocence was acknowledged and I was released without charges and only had to endure a couple years of harassment. So many others in similar situations don't end up nearly as lucky as I did.
I love cops but the bad ones need to be expelled from the force and not demoted. Arresting someone falsely and not doing due diligence should be criminal and should land a cop in jail himself.
What an absolute clown of a detective. Please tell me he was put on trial to justify his continued existence after this
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Kat Page2022-01-18 22:24:39 (edited 2022-01-18 22:25:18 )
When someone’s so bad at interrogating that the person being interrogated has to direct them on how to do it. 4:43 This guy has to be fired… so cringey.
Y'know what's super messed up? Michael was probably just that calm because he was taught from a young age to not aggravate police officers to preserve his life.
Dean M2022-01-21 18:59:06 (edited 2022-01-21 19:04:09 )
REALLY gonna miss JCS! This is yet another example of why LE should be a much higher paid profession! 1. Higher pay attracts better talent pool to choose from. 2. With higher pay comes higher accountability. Both personnal and professional. - they won't want to lose the job and there would be a line of more qualified candidates ready to take the job from those that suck at it! PS...these officers only getting demotions and desk jobs...leaves without or with pay... is also an example of why unions are counterproductive. It becomes too hard to fire people for incompetence.
If a person is caught lying under oath that results in a man’s imprisonment, that person should be convicted and at LEAST forced to finish the sentence of accused.
That's what you get if the policemen are paid / raised / ... result-based. More people imprisoned must mean a better job was done... Right?... Right!???
He is soooooo Canadian. That is why he doesn’t behave so confrontationally. I also assume that he was aware of racial bias and how an angered response could have escalated things.
Yep once got stopped for running down the street to my house after work and they asked me why I'm running like bruh people cant take a jog anymore the fuck wasting seconds that's why bro
I fucking hate how detectives are always asking accused to prove their innocents. Which is impossible. You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof lies on the police and if they don't have enough proof then they don't have a case.
The innocent black guy speaks well. He actually speak like a lot of people I know who are highly educated. These guys tend to be less aggressive and always "reasons". I think his response is normal for someone who is highly educated. But I think the guys I know will get fed up and say, ok I will have to call a lawyer. These guys time is worth a ton of money, when they are not at work, they want to relax and enjoy their time. there is no way they want to waste their time and be stuck in a jail because of wrongful identity. They would rather find a lawyer, pay the lawyer the fees to clear things up as soon as possible.
I kind of feel like this is exactly how I would have reacted to this situation; I haven't had any altercations or really all that much interaction with the police in general, and despite watching videos and reading about how the justice system is the last thing you should put any faith in lol, I still feel like I would have an albeit stupid trust in the system and with these officers had this been me, feel maybe not comfortable but confident and calm in this moment, I know I have done nothing wrong, and would probably be very accommodating, if confused, worry would not have set in at all, because despite having heard about it, believe in it, that mindset of 'It happens of course but not to me" is so ingrained. I feel people like this detective in this video eats people like that alive, false confessions all over the place. This guy handled it far better than I would have, cause my ass would still be thrown off by guard by the "We already know your guilty" line...my life would have flashed before my eyes all the way back to the time when I was 16 and put that empty jar peanut butter back in the pantry...10 years for that alone.
In Europe we have like a main court if you want to place a charge vs your country, and sometimes apears cases of human rights and all of that, and they demand the country to pay and compensate. They re realy restricted and demanding. But Open a case there its very very very expensive that the actual justice in each country
What actually happens because I worked for insurance is that the city pay a yearly insurance policy incase of civil litigation payouts... If found that the city is liable for a payout the insurance company pays that money to the victim.... In a sense , tax money is spent for the insurance then the massive payout to the victim is paid for by the cities insurance
@Wendell Marthers interesting, just out of curiosity is that in America? I’m from Australia and I haven’t heard of that, might be different here (and in Canada)
In this case they did pay. Both the law department as a whole (46k to micheal) and the idiot officers responsible personally had to pay via demotion and suspension without pay.
@Wildfire Both. Taxpayers vote people in that write the policies the police utilize. In the end it's on the voter to pay the price for the people the voter chooses to represent them. As someone else said municipalities pay an insurance premium anyways to cover litigation, but at the end of the day policy is the responsibility of those who vote for those who write the policy. Perhaps that sucks and it's unfair but I doubt anyone will put the effort to make the change.
while it is great that Michael got exonerated and compensated you still have to keep in mind that something like this never should've happened in the first place. He probably lost all his faith in law and order. And knowing that certain people (or being in the wrong place at the wrong time) can ruin your life so easily, like it happened to Justin, is just terrifying.
Unfortunately he should’ve never had faith in “law and order” to begin with. Most cops and investigators want arrests, confessions, and convictions to bolster their career and little else. It was sickening to hear that piece of shit saying he has “conclusive and overwhelming evidence” just to try and get a false confession out of Michael who was probably scared out of his mind in that situation.
Michael learned a valuable lesson that everyone should know: DON’T TALK TO POLICE, the justice system is not looking out for you
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Michael McGee2021-12-18 11:29:04 (edited 2021-12-19 08:52:39 )
Yes, bit cops have to get suspects and fully investigate them. The knockdown evidence of the video was designed such that he would know they had nothing if he was innocent and would just have to wait it out. Sure it's all a bit ridiculous in hindsight but the circumstantial evidence of him coming out of the area was enough to hold him on.
@watchingthecrazyworld it's really funny how both genders have privilage but because of the females privilage people only care about male privilage kinda confusing but funny none the less
@honey both men and women have privileges in certain aspects, in court women have so much privilege it’s ridiculous, they can blatantly lie and make threats with no punishment, they can literally walk circles around men in court and noone bats an eye and will just write it off as her being stressed or being put on the spot. Why is it if a man were to lie blatantly and make false allegations they get charged or added prison time, and if you do respond you should have an actual argument and not just say “male privilege, women arent treated fairly”.
@Epi that’s not why, it’s because privilege that females experience was created by men. all gender based privilege is a result of patriarchy. women are under convicted for sure, and as a feminist it’s something i acknowledge and advocate to be changed! But again, it comes down to why are they under-convicted, and that is as a result of the patriarchal society we have lived in for the last few hundred years. Here’s a good example, mothers are often more likely to get custody of their children than fathers are, this is solely due to the historical gender roles created in a patriarchal society which deem the woman as the sole caretaker of the children and the man as the breadwinner of the family. It doesn’t make it any less just, but the explanation of it doesn’t come down to the oppression of men lol, that’s nonexistent, it comes down to the patriarchal norms that negativity effect everyone, women men and other! happy new year :))
@Bell Cosby i left a comment above this one talking about the origins of female “privilege” in certain aspects of life, and how every privilege either gender experiences is a direct result of patriarchal norms.
I agree she should. Whenever anyone falsely accuses someone of something as serious as this case should face repercussions. Regardless of if they are male or female.
@honey no woman have more privileges in court , like for divorce it's often the wife who win a lot. Man don't have innocence till proven guilty anymore when they are accuse of rape . I'm don't know any men privileges so please give me some.
@Aoife K Though you're explanation for female privilage in the court room sounds like it makes sense (I am not very well informed on this), your statement that you can't be sexist against your own gender is simply not true. Sexism is a form of negative discrimination based on gender in general. If you make a racist joke, but you are part of the race you are joking about, it is still a racist joke. If you make a sexist remark, but you are part of the sex your remark was about, it is still a racist remark.
@Mitchel Kerckhaert i agree that that statement was wrong! what i meant was that i find it hard to believe that a large amount of people could all contribute knowingly to the sexism against their own gender
@Epi This is so confusing it took me several tries to understand what you wrote lol. It's actually hilarious that it's exactly how it works. The female privilege prevents people from acknowledging the female privilege and makes everyone focus on the male privilege (which at this point in time is pretty small compared to the female one).
@Surfside75 no not really. If you're wrongly imprisoned you entitled to major compensation. There was one guy that was in for 20 years but forensics became far more advanced and found out the guy was actually innocent. He got millions of dollars. Not that it's fair in the slightest, because you've lost years of your life, but at least it's something
Led Floyd do you know how many people are wrongfully imprisoned and don’t get that treatment? I mean there’s whole reality shows just about fighting to get innocent people out of jail. Nonprofit organizations dedicated to just that. And the longer you’re in prison, the less you have when you get out. To get a settlement requires hiring a lawyer, and a lot of people can’t afford that fresh out of prison.
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Led Floyd2020-10-09 02:07:50 (edited 2020-10-09 02:08:27 )
@Hannah well first of all I would never bring up reality shows for evidence. I mean, Hollywood gets its hands one anything and it's exaggerated and perverted, distorted to the point of it being unrecognizable. Now don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it's right to convict the innocent. But if you were wrongfully imprisoned, not accused but actually imprisoned I guarantee you youd have a litany of lawyers with massive hard ons begging to take the case. The hard truth fo the matter is that if you have a judicial system you Will convict innocent people. It's not right, it's terrible but it's a universal fact. The important thing is trying to reduce that as much as possible. I think our judicial system is relatively good when you compare it to other countries. Furthermore, when you determine a convict man is innocent, how do you compensate him for his time? Again, our judicial system, while it certainly isn't perfect does in fact have a system in place for just that.
See here's the problem, everyone is innocent, your TV show shows people that are fighting for their innocence correct? Well, how do you know they're actually innocent? You become too soft and now you've got the guilty roaming the streets. It's not a black and white issue in the slightest, there's quite a bit of Grey area.
I was falsely accused and wrongfully arrested - TWICE - and spent time in jail. Charges dismissed in one and the other, never went to court (despite my efforts to get it to court so I could prove my innocence). Two years later, finally got a response: files on my arrest, etc, were 'lost' and no documentation ANYWHERE of my arrest. But run my license, and I have a record and my fingerprints are in the national criminal database.
And btw, I have a bachelor's in criminal justice, with NATIONAL HONORS. If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone.
@Surfside75 I disagree. If you are jailed falsely you have every right to sue the organization that put you there once you are freed. Plenty people have, it happens more often than people realize, and 9/10 they are successful in getting a settlement.
That’s the unfortunately shitty thing. They don’t care about his stress or any of that. All they want is an admission of guilt/conviction. That’s why you stay quiet, say I invoke the 5th amendment and ask for an attorney.
“Demoted and suspended without pay” - that was the bit I was waiting for!!! 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 “Based on the evidence...?” They had none!
Great videos! I’m a novice but am very interested in the psychological side of crime and investigation. Especially the depth of analysis your videos go into. Nothing like it. I’ve really been chewing the furniture waiting for the next film. I know these videos take time but is there anything that can be done to help speed up the process without losing its credibility and authenticity? Patreon?
Carelessness like this is why there's innocent people losing decades of their life in jail. Even if they sue after they've been vindicated, the money won't bring back the time stolen from them. I'm glad Michael got the justice he deserved.
Thank you for saying this too. No amount of money is worth your freedom. People have spent most their life or died in the system that were innocent. There’s been innocent people sentenced to death too so yeah the system doesn’t work. Yet everyone goes along with it. I’m not sure how we’re the most intelligent creatures when we continue making the same mistakes and glossing over history like it didn’t happen
with all do respect, this wasn't an act of carelessness. this was an officer trying to get a HUGE achievement on his resume, getting a confession without evidence looks really good.
@J. H. Do you have a better system in mind? Look, nothing is ever going to be 100% foolproof, all we can do is implement measures/specific acts of reform that reduce the chances of innocent people being wrongfully convicted.
@angel romero Hmm. I see your point, but they were careless for letting the real suspect get away by grabbing the first person they saw just to make a quick arrest, right? Also, couldn't not caring about ruining someone's life to further your own career be a form of carelessness?
These kinds of retrograde police tactics only hurt society for two reasons: 1. It gets innocent people in jail 2. If innocent people are in jail, guilty people aren't
@ItchySlothBalls I mean maybe in the recording because of the washed out colours but real life is a lot more vibrant and one could've easily told that he was not white.
This is literally why the zodiac killer was never caught, its an infuriating thing to read about. A girl witnessed one of the killings and called the cops with an accurate detailed description of a stocky white guy, etc. The cop that interviewed her than relayed to all the police in the area that they were on the lookout for a black guy. A pair of cops happened to have an interaction with a man in the park that night that they later learned 100% matched the description they SHOULD have been given. But they were on the lookout for a black guy because of the detective that interviewed the witness. In all likelyhood if the cops had been given the right information by the original interviewing officer, the zodiac killer would have been caught that night.
@The Big Kiwi 40k isn't enough he should have sued for 100k+ his case is absolutely outrageous. The perp wasn't black and didn't match his description at all. The cops didn't even care to look at the facts they just seemed determined to fit this man up. Was it race related or just lazy cops arrested the 1st person they saw? Disgusting either way.
@The Big Kiwi if it was someone less calm and collected than that dude, he could've served actual jail time. that guy was let go out of pure luck. imagine if his personality was more like that bearded ginger in the beginning he would've been tased and thrown behind bars. he deserves every single penny from that 40k
I think he's Asian, as a Torontonian his slight accent reminds me of a lot of Asian-Canadians I know, and this might just be my experience but a lot of them I've met had similar polite and well reasoning somewhat introverted personalities. It's hard to tell with the blurry footage though
@The Good Guy in a perfect society the guilty would just be caught the first time, not the other way around smh. In a perfect society there would be no racial bias
@𖤐ॐWotan Mit Uns ॐ𖤐 the conversation isn’t focusing on that guy. it’s focusing on the man who so clearly was picked out of laziness and/or racism. by picking a person of color, the chances of getting a culprit to charge are way higher, and when you clearly don’t care about if you actually have the right person, that’s a safe option to pick. both of these cases are troubling and sad for different reasons. it’s easy to assume people are ignoring the white mans case, but I think it makes way more sense to assume that 1) the original comment was about the topic of injustice to poc and 2) the main conversation in the replies is focusing on the main case of the video (the person of color).
@𖤐ॐWotan Mit Uns ॐ𖤐 both cases are bad but the black man's case is alot worse because witnesses told the police the suspect was white and yet they just blatantly arrested the first black man they saw. The white man was at least reported by witnesses (falsely) and so it coult be argued that the police had reasonable suspicion. Arresting the black man however was completely unreasonable.
@Sirsams 552 Because there are people that were falsely accused in the 50s that are STILL in prison 60 years later. The police were told the suspect was a short white guy, and they arrested a guy who looks like he plays for the NBA. How is it not racially motivated?
The other case is much worse though. Poor guy spent years in jail because some woman lied. Why didn't they go after the boyfriend? It's always the spouse.
This is why having an attorney present is so important. It's not an admission of guilt. Its to insure your rights are not being violated and that you are indeed being treated as innocent until proven guilty.
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andrew perry2021-04-24 08:07:37 (edited 2021-04-24 08:07:52 )
Exactly as soon as he started talking like he was guilty you should have said all right then I want my attorney present before I say anything
Yes!! Even the most intellectual people don’t know all of their rights!!! Having legal representation is EVERYTHING not matter of guilt or innocence!!!
Wouldn't have mattered. Criminals familiar with the justice system lawyer up. If a cop thinks you're guilty, everything you do is viewed as the actions of a guilty person.
@Marty McFly but at the very least now you have a chance to clear your name properly without risk of being tricked into confessing to something you never commit
@Marty McFly Sure. But while you're talking to the police, you shouldn't try to convince them of your innocence. Rather, you should not say anything that can incriminate you. Even if you're 100% innocent, like this Justin guy was, nothing good can EVER come from talking to the police. BY LAW, anything you say can ONLY be used against you. And you have the right to remain silent. And the burden of proof is on the prosecution. You don't have to prove your innocence. They have to prove you did it.
If I ever find myself in a position like that, I really don't care about the optics. There are plenty of cases where someone was innocent and still talked himself into a prison cell.
In Canada, where this happened, during the interview where charges are being laid, you do not have the right to an attorney. You only have the right to remain silent. You have the right to consult with an attorney after charges are laid and presented.
Innocent or not, you NEVER agree to an interview without your attorney. These detectives techniques are exactly why. The ONLY words out of your mouth should be, "I want my lawyer" then shut up. More people are in prison because the wouldnt shut up.
This is true. I don't care if I was in the white house at the time of the crime, I'm not saying anything but I want an attorney. These detectives are disgusting.
He probably just assumed they would be honest and that it would be incredibly simple to establish his innocence, which to be fair, it would have been. They just didn't bother. For three days.
The thing is, someone tried that in these videos. The police kept finding ways around it and essentially kept his lawyer away from him so they could keep interrogating the guy. Eventually, when it's been HOURS and they won't let you see your lawyer, you're going to crack. Willpower is finite; that's a well researched fact. You only have so much of it at any given time, and once it's out it's out.
@Talia not blaming anyone but, police. Im telling you what every single lawyer will tell you. Don't talk to cops. They never have you're best interest in mind. BECAUSE, it is unjust and they are allowed to lie to you. Basically, nothing I said contradicts you.
@LordofFullmetal Any information that they obtain any statement they obtain once you've asked for your attorney is inadmissible and cannot be used against you. It has to be your montre I'm exercising my right to an attorney, I'm exercising my right to an attorney I'm exercising my right to an attorney.
@Talia oh I see where you got the idea I was victim blaming. Poor word phrasing on my part. What I was trying to say is that more people end up in prison because they put too much faith in a system that is classist and more important, racially biased. People of color especially are targeted and lied to. You cant win and you cant beat a system that is unjust and rigged against you. My lawyer once told me that the legal system has nothing to do with justice or fairness. Its full of people whos job it is to undermine the concept of the assumption of innocence. It absolutely arose out of a desire of white plantation owners desire to control black people they still viewed as slaves. I absolutely agree with you 100% on this.
Doing that preemptivly will not only grind an investigation to a snails speed but also causes confirmation bias. Basically why would you need a lawyer if you aren't guilty or better yet what needs to be hidden that needs a lawyers presence? As much as I'd like to say these things shouldn't matter in ones judgement; the human factor repeatedly tells me the "truth" of the matter is that bias will circumvent the real truth in many cases.
@Flourikum you need a lawyer regarding to protect your rights. Moreover, you're entitled to a lawyer. Exercising your right is not an indicator of guilt. It is an indicator that you lack trust in police, and lack faith in their ability to be impartial. Ive never been arrested but, if I were, I would only ask for a lawyer because being cooperative just give cops more to twist and try to make fit their narrative. It is not your responsibility to help them investigate. Give what all you stated, you sound like a cop.
@Penny Foreman no I'm saying either way they'll try and squeeze something out of you even if its money to hand to your lawyer. Remember case to case emotions will affect judgement, say it was a murder, they will immediately question whats the problem that needs you to get a lawyer so fast rather than give them any info at all. Even if you did nothing wrong they can easily let their emotions take over and target you just for making their job more difficult, rare but not pretending that it doesn't happen. Lawyering up will be the safest bet but can you afford them dragging out a case to try and milk you and or your family of cash? Most people can't and trust me some dirtbags can and damn well will try their hardest to screw you over.
Yep, but I believe a lot of people are scared to say they want a lawyer because they think it makes them look guilty from the start, and no one wants to make themselves look like they have something to hide so they just talk. Especially the more timid individuals.
@Shidposting i have no idea what that means. Being "woke." Other than terrible grammar. Im a 60 year old, reservation raised, Choctaw woman who is fair skinned and that gives me white privilege. A privilege my very much beloved cousin dont have because they definitely look indigenous. Ive seen, up close and personal, the difference between my other family members treatment by law enforcement and my own. As painful as it is to me to see my family members mistreated by police, it was considerably more painful for them to be the victims. It was soul crushing to observe but, imagine how much more devastating it was for them. So, believe me when I tell you, the bias against people of color by law enforcement, is very real. My personal level of disgust towards them is extreme. Its why I belong to the red dress project and silent no more. Its an issue that affects my loved ones. That makes it extremely important to me. I may be old. I may not be "hip" or whatever kids say today but, I love my family and you can bet your ass I fight like hell for them.
That's right, I can't believe everybody doesn't know this, but what they do next is try to assert that by you not talking to them and asking for a lawyer is close to proof positive that you are guilty of the crime, and most court appointed lawyers will throw you to the wolves. I know from personal experience they will lie all day just to close the case.
@LordofFullmetal sooooo wrong. Interrogation is over once you ask for an attorney. Questioning ends. Period. And like she already told you, anything said is inadmissible. It’s in the code of federal regulations. They can’t keep “finding ways around it, &, keeping your lawyer away from you”, lol. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
@Flourikum you are so misinformed and trying to steer some weird, preconceived narrative you already have arrived at. How much experience do you have regarding the statements you’ve made? You have the right to an attorney. Why would you talk to ANYBODY who says “anything you say, can and WILL be used against you “. Pretty clear isn’t it? Talk to them, and they’re going to try and hang you with it. If you think explaining yourself because you’re “innocent “ is gonna get a response like “Ohh! Okay, I’m glad you told us that, it explains everything “, from police... you’re super naive.
@Penny Foreman You are exactly right. Never. Ever. Ever. Speak to the police without demanding your right to an attorney. Any attorney will tell you this. Hell, every honest LEO and prosecutor will tell you the same thing. Every question a LEO asks you is designed to prove your GUILT. They don't ask you questions to get information. They don't ask questions to be your friend. They don't ask questions to try to help you out. The sooner people understand this the better. You are right as well that there are MANY people sitting in prison right now who are completely innocent, but their naivete in speaking with the cops before exercising their right to an attorney landed them in jail.
@bionicman696 no, no, no. They won’t assert that or anything else. As soon as you lawyer up, they’re done. Cannot discuss the case. With everything on video now they will not try bs in interrogation after you request counsel. They’ll shrug, say okay, maybe, maybe say something like “ya know if you can help me out, maybe I could’ve helped you.” They won’t say, “why ya want an attorney if ya ain’t guilty?”. It’s your right & trying to pressure someone to talk without a lawyer by implying that they must be hiding something is SO Fukin illegal. Especially after you’ve requested one.
@Cory I am have the opinion that the innocent need an attorney the most so they don't get railroaded. This is especially true for people of color because they are the most likely to find themselves accused of something they did not do.
@bul166 You're telling this a guy who has lived it, and had to spend a year of my life to exonerate myself of a crime I did not commit, I lost everything in the process.
Penny Foreman She’s just bitter and racist herself. That’s proven by the fact she called you a Karen for no reason at all after saying the system is racist. Lol.
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That Guy2020-10-10 22:01:32 (edited 2020-10-10 22:03:27 )
Just watched a video called, 'Don't talk to the police', before this video. The Miranda Rights/Warning literally tells you that 'Anything you say may be used AGAINST you in a court of law' not 'Anything you say may be used FOR you in a court of law'. Even if you're innocent if they catch you out in a lie or you say something that even slightly incriminates yourself incidentally, prosecutors can use that to dismiss your innocence and then you land in jail. It's more like the Police are only there to uphold the law not to find the actual truth. Getting a lawyer is just the best thing to do.
That’s the dilemma cops rely on. An innocent person thinks that they can clear up any suspicion by being open and honest with the cops. A guilty person does the same thing because they think that’s how an innocent person would act (being “open and honest”)
The problem is that the innocent can get caught up just like the guilty in these scenarios when the cops don’t care about the truth and just want a confession to close the case.
I agree that one should always use their right to an attorney and shut up. This isn’t a get out of jail free card though. You would likely go to jail until your arraignment. It must be really frustrating as a true innocent to not be able to trust the cops. But that’s where we are.
@Minnie W I ackowledge that way too may inocent people are in jail. but Are you really asking me for a source that actually says "most people in jail are guilty?" Most of these jail interview vids, most of them ARE guilty.
@Anatoly Dyatlov if you have an attorney "on retainer" that is hiring an attorney by-the-month as you asked. Our justice system has some flaws. MOST of those flaws are in guy running his mouth in an interview.
Super.Chuck yes videos on youtube doesn’t make that statement true. It’s a criminal psychology channel. Of course it’s gonna be interviews with guilty ppl! Don’t get me wrong though I do think and mostly hope that there’s mostly guilty people in jail but I can’t say that for sure because it’s only my perception.
@Derek Mitchell Yes anyone would if they were brought in and getting accused or questioned for something you didn't do, which would be years of their life taken or possible lethal injection if they couldn't prove they didn't have anything to do with it. Everyone knows once they have eyes on you, you have to prove you're innocent.
@Derek Mitchell The situation isn't always that easy. Sometimes there isn't anyone accusing anyone. Sometimes people are innocent yet are still involved in some way, and they have to prove they weren't doing the crime or involved in it in anyway other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes they're just a witness, and sometimes what looks like murder was actually self-defense.
@Derek Mitchell yeah but then they'd have to prove it was self defense, I know bc I've been a witness and could have easily got charged, and the actual person who defended himself was facing all kinds of stuff. Had there been no witness he would have got a murder charge because he wouldn't have been able to prove it was self-defense without the witnesses. Had they charged him, they could have charged everyone that had been there. Legally they say you're innocent until proven guilty, but in reality with a lot of cases you have to prove you are innocent.
It baffles me that people still don't immediately ask for a lawyer. And when the cops say "if you're innocent why do you need a lawyer?" you say "I AM innocent, but you guys lie a lot" and then clam up. Not another word.
@Travis Balthes Complete slime bags...they know what a mind-fuck it is in there and they use fear against people. I can understand why Michael didn't lawyer up because he's probably never interacted with police this way, but I was surprised Justin didn't do it immediately. He's been thru the system, as soon as those cuffs were on the odds were against him. Im so glad both of these men were proven innocent.
@Beth that's fear of worsening the situation, and accelerating a procedure, that's why the miranda act is often viewed as having negative impacts on cases, because it does make you look guilty, since a common person would say "why would you need a lawyer if you're innocent?" and the police man wouldn't mind reminding you of it.
Fortunately, it's not the case, and people using lawyers aren't always guilty, but the people who uses it instinctively often are used to those procedures, and know that it's not pointing a guilt mark on their head, most people never get into an interrogation chamber for their whole life, so nervosity and fear kick in, and they just piss themselves and forget every bit of common sense.
If I were intheir position, I would shit myself, I would cry, I would yell, I would be speechless, in the heat of the moment, I would just have a mental breakdown and they would use it against me. I wouldn't have the nerves Micheal has to stay as dominant and persuasive, and I wouldn't have the stand to think of asking for a lawyer, unless they say it before I freak out, and even then, under the pressure, I'm not sure what I would do.
@Holoc0st I agree. We really don't know what we'd do till it happens. I also would probably shit myself, but I would do it while waiting for my lawyer lol I'm at the point where if there was a blood drive at a precinct I wouldn't show up to donate without a lawyer present lmao But it's like you said, for most people, even if innocent, their fear kicks in and they just want to cooperate. Most people don't fully grasp that as soon as Miranda rights are read to you, you're officially a suspect and from that moment on it's an interrogation. The cops are well aware of this and use it to their advantage. That's why I love this channel, the psychology behind all of this is so fascinating.
As for Michael, I wonder if being Canadian was a big factor. I don't know how law enforcement is viewed in Canada,(especially by people of color), what rights they have upon arrest, etc. I didn't see him as dominant, he came across as incredibly logical and since he was innocent, he felt he had nothing to fear and wanted to be cooperative. That's what was so shocking to me about Justin. He's an American who's been through the legal system, already done time. He knows how corrupt law enforcement can be , he knows he's innocent, he has an alibi, he's sitting in a police station in cuffs and he HASN'T asked for his lawyer??? Fascinating.
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Maxime Fortin2021-05-31 07:57:16 (edited 2021-05-31 07:57:26 )
Yeah these guys are seeking out for promotion after promotion, at the cost of imprisoning innocent people.
Cos Cops keep you drawn into a situation so they can try and make you "defend" yourself against something you didn't do and then say the wrong thing... they really really keep you drawn in so asking for a lawyer won't be on your mind until... you know they aren't going to let up and let you go but in all that time they keep you drawn in they hope that it's a chance they can trick you and confess to something you didn't do, also this guy tried to deal with the situation peacefully but that cop was just totally dragging it on not wanting to be peaceful, he clearly just wanted the first person he saw to take the fall for this robbery.
Since Cops do this and keep you drawn in and clearly on a mission is one of the main reasons you shouldn't talk to a cop and avoid them as much as possible... they're just... ew... not very nice people even if they pretend to be.
Cops know a whole a bag of psychological exploits. They want to make believe that you're not "formally" being interrogated, that the whole thing isn't going to take longer than 20 minutes, insinuate that the questions are unrelated to you personally - so you're not a risk, that good things will come to you if you help cops in their investigation...
Once the suspect starts talking, it's due to the sunk cost fallacy and cognitive dissonance that they simply want to hold on to those false beliefs. It's how victims of con artists often can't admit that they've been conned, suspects of crimes don't call for a lawyer because they don't want to admit to the gravity of the situation - regardless whether they're guilty.
Dont talk til you’ve been there. I had heard a million times in my life that you shouldn’t talk until you get a lawyer. They interrogated me while I was under the influence and I did it without a lawyer present, because even though you’ve heard a million times not to the overwhelming thought of knowing your own innocence takes over and you think you’ll be out as soon as you answer a few questions. Well, I spent 4 months in jail and received 18 months sentence which I’m currently trying to have overturned. :/
@T I'm so sorry you're going through that, and it's even more fucked up when they interrogate people under the influence. And it's true, you really don't know till you're there. I was just watching a talk by a law professor about why you shouldn't talk to police, and he told the story of a criminal defense attorney that got put in jail because he let the cops question him...a CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY!!!!!! If he doesn't have the presence of mind to ask for a lawyer, the rest of us are fucked !!! LOL here's the link is you're interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=246s
The sad thing is that investigators like this usually get promoted because this strategy works. Most guilty people can easily be emotionally browbeaten into confessing, saving the force tons of time and money on actually investigating the crime. The fact that these tactics are also guaranteed to falsely imprison a few unlucky, weak-willed and/or mentally ill innocent people every year is just viewed as an acceptable collateral damage to our legal system.
Bart Man That’s a great point you’re raising. Now I’m wondering how many mentally challenged individuals are behind bars that are in fact innocent. This sucks!
Cops are hated because people like to break rules, and the cops are the ones who make them behave. When you're not a criminal in the ghetto, you love cops.
This is so hard to watch. I have to take a break at 7:14 before the second guy’s interrogation leading to two years just to recover from fury at the first guy’s interrogation.
@Kurogypsy Just because it isn't something to be proud of, doesn't mean there's a better option. I'm going to side with the police here and say, do you know a way to get a higher rate of true confessions? As Alternova04 said, this strategy works and ultimately what matters is getting the truth even if the one being imprisoned doesn't know the truth.
Do you know or have a better strategy? If so please submit it to a professional. You'd honestly win some sort of prize, but for now this is what investigators have to do.
@Kurogypsy Anyone who has ever been falsely accused understands this. Those that have not simply have not been in the hot seat, their ignorance is telling. As for a better strategy, Blackstone wrote all about that. Perhaps people should read that which is/was the foundation of our legal system from time to time and remove the great burden their ignorance places on everyone around them.
Cops are "hated" because people mainly publish bad cops stories that are a a minority out of every run in with them.
What makes a better headline, cop let's man go after traffic stop with warning, or cop kills man during traffic stop?
I've never had any problems with cops and neither has any member of my family. My family and extended are multiracial also. White, black, Philippine, mixed.
@Thorphinn Skull-Splitter Make that two of us, brother. Midwest born and raised on a farm and deployed to the sandbox. Police are trained to go into situations driven by their fear and shown that the consequences of murdering an innocent are often nil.
The narrator said it best: "He comes off as agressive, but in a defensive manner. He is not being hostile, but highly combative. His conduct is totally justified."
Imagine working hard at getting your life straight and STILL going to jail because of a lying "witness"! That's a level of bs that I wouldn't be able to handle
imagine how hard it is to sit there and plead your innocence when 1. real criminals lie about being innocent every day and 2. you have a past that backs up the false claims that are being put on you. must have been so much mental torture for him
Just imagine how it must have been in the old days before there were any lawyers. You could get accused of anything and it would have been your task to prove your innocence, else you’re guilty and get the death sentence.
Lawyers aren't free my dude. Most of these people can't afford a lawyer.
You can't say "I won't talk until I see my lawyer." while not hiring a lawyer to begin with.
What bugs me about this, is this guy was 100% polite, respectful, and trusting in the police following process. The cop, although also appearing to be polite and respectful, was clearly a lying snake. I’m glad he got a decent payout.
I'm sure the demotion was a (deserved) slap in the face for the officer as well. I mean, costing the city/municipality/whatever $46,000 and making a mockery of the justice system for arresting someone who didn't even fit the description should probably result in termination, but I suppose in our world a demotion is better than rewarding this behavior.
COPS are LEGALLY allowed to lie. If an individual trust COPS they may take the word of their lies...many innocent people just assume the COPS are doing their best job. Just don't talk to them. If they remember you saying something that you didn't...regular people will trust COPS over your denial of what they said you said...and judges they don't let juries see the COP interview ALL THE TIME...the system is broken, evil, corrupt...and makes the largest prison population in the WORLD...3% of world population, and 25% of prison population. American Justice is just another lie...Oh, you can't afford a lawyer? You are basically determined to be guilty based on not having enough money.
@Anomalous Spinal Cord Specimen ΛΔ Exactly, freedom of speech is dead...for corrupt cops. These douche bags want me deny how people are treated, so their jobs and their EVIL intentions can be justified. They want me to put their corrupted jobs above human life. They want me to be OK with them stocking up with military supplies WHEN WE ALL KNOW every dictator, authoritarian, and despot uses their COPS to oppress people.
We need a force of justice. We need a group that helps us keep us safe, but don't lie and pretend EVIL methods pretending to "help" people are the ones to do it.
@Anomalous Spinal Cord Specimen ΛΔ I'm going to preface my question by saying that there's no sarcasm whatsoever being used on my end here, intended or otherwise!! I just genuinely have no idea what you're actually talking about??
@Jacob Coates In an effort to make you feel more grateful....ah, things are sh!tty, so don't try to fix it...rather move to a third world country so our shitty version feels better to you. See? fixed. We fix by being shitty, but pointing toward more shitty, so you can't demand better....its as if, we got better because we damanded better than 3rd world countries, but COP worshippers want to make the world a better place by telling you someone elses shit smells worse? Current USA thinking is full retard, right now.
@Mark Stewart Ok, historically speaking the judicial system has always been without a doubt stacked against minorities!! However, at the same time I think it's worth mentioning that way too many people in law enforcement are bullies, extremely corrupt and basically the biggest group of arrogant narcissists who treat ALL races of people like 💩 and that's a fact 💯‼️
@Brett Lawton we, as just one soul to another soul, we are weak. Unfortunately we declared men in blue to be true, because they said they would make everything like Jesus asked. COPS are no better than us, but for some bizarre reason we declare that they are better than we.
Their gun makes them true? There stories of bravery makes them right for shooting someone? These men have long been greasy and denied the faults we ask them to do...so they can keep their job now covered in blood of the innocent.
Its terrifying that so many people were wrongly convicted. Some were convicted based on barely there evidence and with others it seems clear they are guilty but with expensive lawyers, it goes away. People trying to defend themselves become financially bankrupt, to pay for all the fees, when found not guilty you are still out of your money. It shouldn’t be that you can buy a good Defense, yet it is that very way and lawyers make a good living. It’s beyond me when science proofs it.. some prosecutors and police wont let go they cant say shoot I was wrong, what can we do better next time. No they just ‘change the story again so the person is still guilty, oh it wasn’t his dna? Then he must have had an accomplice type of thinking. They should be objective. Even worst they just keep on working or transferred, but they destroyed lives, which IMO is as criminal. Something needs to chance, people don’t have faith in police or the court system.. and that shows with current protests. The government needs to choose to really change something or this continues until it really snaps. Esp now what’s going with adding this judge hastily. It’s offensive that republicans only play by their rules. This may mean court will perhaps upend certain things whilst more than 50% of the people are against it. If people courts still are against gays, etc.. they simply are outdated... make America great again ? Back to the old days? This only will create more mayhem and anger. The government/court/ is so far away from the normal day to day person, what they really want or need. This will break some day, and I don’t know if that will be pretty? It for sure wont be anything as we know it today. Those looters will be nothing compared to.. if you continu to treat the very people that pay the taxes so their jobs can be paid for... bad... someday they WILL stand up and say it’s enough.
@Mark Stewart we, as just one soul to another soul, we are weak ⬆️🙄⬆️🙄⬆️🙄 ⬆️🙄⬆️🙄⬆️ That sir is one of the biggest understatements of ALL TIME, as it's quite likely that there's a great many of us, if not most, who've consciously or subconsciously built and modeled their personal and family lives around weakness 💯‼️
@V-Rex I get what you are saying. It's just not the assumed reality you are making it to be.
Lawyers are provide for the poor in "criminal cases", and there is no lawyer provided in a "civil case". All it takes for a civil case to happen is a neighbor to think YOUR trees in yard shade their grass to much. Dandelions in their yard, and they think they came from your yard.
On lawyers for "criminal cases" for the poor. The lawyer provided has to represent anywhere to 5-to-20 times the amount of people that a private lawyer has to represent...and the public lawyer is paid SOOO poorly they can't even afford a paralegal to gather relevant case law.
I really like that you pretend to understand, because you heard someone say some words before. It doesn't exactly make you dumb, but it makes you hella ignorant, and upon you spouting your ignorance with vile you become belligerent. aka, you are a douche.
@Blockhead134 the profession of policeman just attracts unhinged, power hungry and violent personalities and a lack of proper training and de-escalation techniques in the USA creates a situation where cops become basically just legal gang members
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Alex !2020-10-12 16:11:18 (edited 2020-10-12 16:13:39 )
@V-Rex maybe this isnt the case everywhere. But my sisters juvenile defense attorney threw her case(truancy, and then 'violation of probation' because the school legally had to send her home for violating an OSHA code in shop class[wow, expecting a 13 year old to follow OSHA guidelines she couldnt know about, not the schools fault but whatever]) for the PO, to the extent that he didnt ever have anything to talk to us about and just kept recommending extended probation because my mom was pissing off his friend(the PO) and it didnt stop getting worse until we went to Bay County(where our state courts are in michigan) and seeked to file a report against them directly with evidence. Then suddenly my sister was on her way home and we didnt even have another court date.
You can tell me the state is going to appoint me an attorney all day, but you cant convince me that attorney is going to think about my wellbeing even one time.
Up side, dumb b*^ch PO fell and broke her ankle months later, and had to go on medical leave for like 8 months
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Mark Stewart2020-10-12 16:48:08 (edited 2020-10-14 06:49:32 )
@V-Rex Dude, your just looking toxic. I grew up poor. I saw others get in a lot of trouble for asking about god. I saw others get in trouble in class asking why thing are. I got in trouble for asking about how the certain punishments meet the "crime".
I was "good kid" tell I was in my early 20's and I stopped after getting pulled over near a 100 times. Why? Well, I ask my parent, my grandparent, my friends parents why I was getting pulled over so often, and they would just regurgitate "you must of done something wrong". I would try to tell them I wasn't speeding, used my blinkers, didn't get to close to others, etc...and they said, "well, you must have done something wrong". That proverbial straw that breaks the camels back happened.
I owned a 1978 Ford Courier pickup. I would get pulled over twice week for my "tail lights were out", "missing review mirror", "failure to stop at stop sign", etc. The vast majority of the time they would let me go with a warning, but in a two year period I still ended up with about 10 tickets. The local laws deemed that I have to go to "traffic school"; which the director of the local DMV taught. He went over my driving record, and he expressed to me I have never seen anyone get a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the speed limit. I had several.
Anyway, I am not equating civil and criminal cases, as you will see I am the one that pointed out the difference between the two. Then you cover my observation of case load between private and publicly; to which you state the very same thing I do. If the courts provided more pay per case there would be more lawyers provided for the poor.
Maybe a lack of comprehension is what you suffer from; not sure what your problems is. You seem to just generally want to feel smart, but do very weak attempts. You lack some basic levels of maturity.
edit: forgot to add the link on the reality that most states dont provide a required "pro bono" service on any level.
Mark Stewart the thing is if somehow a group of “ force of justice” was ever created it’s going to be the same as cops. It’s going to be evil, it’s gonna have bad methods, lies will eventually happen and it’ll be the same cycle I might as well stick with cops because not all of them have the same bad intentions of lying I’m atleast protected every day
@Helena Terschegget The thing that needs to change is capitalism itself, Its caused all of this and will continue to do so even if you "fix" the justice system history will just repeat its self Over and over. Look to the root of problems when trying to fix them.
@V-Rex You got some sort of know-it-all vibe. It comes off real douche. I don't know why you think your sort of antagonism works?
I had NO IDEA that lawyers are required to do a certain amount of "pro bono". In fact, I decided to look into it upon your douche bag style 'suggestion'. You're a real douche. Anyway, looked in up, and it turns out the state of NY is the only one that requires it. There is a ton of "encouragement", but no requires. The best gem I could find on the subject is an article framed as "forcing lawyers to perform pro-bono". Sure, I didn't do a state by state, but it isn't in my state...but thanks for the douche cannon attitude.
Im not sure your angle, but the most common, in my experience, is some religious worship of Capitalism. I have no perfect debated complaint against Capitalism, but I do notice many of its weaknesses; as in, if your are of the religion of Capitalism...since I am not rich, I deserve the consequences of being poor, right? Douche cannon, send me more of your bitchy ways.
@Finn Palm to be fair the initial call in has a high statistical probability of featuring inaccuracies. Yes, the description is very different but weirder things have happened and proven to be the case.
@WaterZer0 Stfu plz because #1 this is in Canada and #2 If you have a suspect run around the block, then see another person matching that description to a tee, then you would arrest him. Obviously he was treated like shit which is unacceptable, his alibis should have been checked out IMMEDIANTLY, but c'mon. Not racism, just poor-professionalism.
@scep ??? #1 what does that matter? racism is still a thing in canada..? #2 the narrator said that he didn't match the description at all?? It's fair (and actually more rational) to assume that prejudices/racism got him arrested. Call shit out for what it is instead of bullshitting around what we all are thinking, we weren't born yesterday
@WaterZer0 because they aren't, people are racist, and almost all cops aren't racist or have any malicious intent sense, (contrary to popular bielief) police are humans, and don't act all the same.
Idk, it works sometimes, and other times it just doesn’t. The purpose of lying is to slowly make it more and more difficult for a guilty person to keep lying, but it also makes a nervous person confess even if they’re innocent
The fact that this guy was being falsely accused of robbery, knew that he was going to be kept in holding, knew that there was no way he was coming out of the police department that night, knew that the system was against him and still asked if he could call his work to let them know he couldn't come in for his next shift just highlights what a great person Michael is.
He call at his work cuz he didnt wanted to lose his job,not cuz he such great person and care
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Mia Nadarajan2020-10-11 23:15:45 (edited 2020-10-13 12:55:33 )
Empress Diana Definitely, great person was the wrong thing to say. It was just another piece of evidence that he wasn’t guilty because most people who have actually committed a crime don’t think about the little details like calling into work
This was stressful to watch but I'm glad that interrogator got suspended, he had such a cocky attitude, hope he never gets to do any 'investigation' ever again
Really, the punishments were not nearly enough. A demotion, suspension, and a fine for trying to ruin someone's life? They should put the arresting officers and interrogators in jail for the length of time the suspect would have been in there. There needs to be truly harsh consequences for failing the innocent.
@Sykres Completely agree. Cops should get the punishment they were attempting to put out when they are found to be lying / guilty of fucking with innocent people.
There should be HUGE penalties for being incarcerated and falsely accused. In my viewpoint, those who are responsible for sending innocent people to jail should do the time themselves. THAT should be their punishment plus punitive damages.
Well yes and no. If Michael would have been treated fairly and humanely like the detective claimed, he would have immediately pursued evidence of his alibi. It's unfortunate, but there really can be such a thing as "wrong place at the wrong time," the difference here is that Michael was in the wrong place at the wrong time and THEN treated completely unfairly on top of that. The unfair treatment should be punished; arresting a guy that the dumbass cops assumed was the same guy they were chasing shouldn't necessarily be punished, unless there is some evidence of these cops arresting him and putting him through the ringer just to get a conviction for the case.
I whole heartedly agree! Not only do law enforcement and attorney's who participate in this kind of "creating a criminal" behavior need to be held drastically accountable, people who falsify information to "play victim" for whatever reason should also be held accountable for their lying. Often times there are people more than happy to take on the guise of a victim for the attention and or social and financial benefits that we so quickly bestow upon them as a society. As someone who has been wrongfully accused in the past and who has never had the money or resources to "beat the system" it makes me sick to my stomach to see these power hungry fools do this to somebody else because they have this deep seated intent to see what they want to see. I am ashamed to have been a law enforcement officer in the past and I am deeply saddened that I had to end up with a criminal record before I realized how arrogant I truly was.
@John Bacile yeah they do happen but if it’s pretty fuckin clear that the guy isn’t actually the perpetrator and they just continue to charge them for the most stupid reason, i think everyone involved should face the same consequence. you wasted years of an innocent person’s life.
and yes, there WERE/ARE cases like this. the first video is an example, the witness said it’s a white person yet they get someone who’s a poc? lol
@Space Tacos 7 Definitely should be more than the actual crimes since they would be serving the innocent's time as well as time for their own crime. Plus, making it this way helps to prevent the loophole of giving someone a lighter sentence as a pre-emptive defense against incarcerating a cop for longer lengths of time. "Oh, well, the cop was wrong and antagonistic, but teeeeeeeeeeeechnically the victim only would have gotten like a week in jail lawl So the cop will be fine." Naw, screw that, cop gets the week plus like 5-10 years for malpractice.
@Nolan Gillentine If you participated in or witnessed railroading people into the penal system, you CAN get redemption. Please contact https://innocenceproject.org/ and work with them. It may even be a job opportunity, of course, depending on your culpability in putting the innocent away, might require you to do a stint...but if you deserve it, take it like a man.
@John Bacile Mistakes happen but if you keep pushing something you know is BS, it's no longer a mistake. It becomes a devious act, for the sole reason of saving face and covering your ass. That cop should be fired honestly, he lied about evidence in a attempt to cover his ass.
Honestly this. I would have been so angry and upset in his position that as soon as they told me I was 'already guilty' I'd have demanded my lawyer. Like... What? How does this work in Canada? Do you have to prove your innocence, or do they have to prove your guilt? :'D
I know everybody says that. And I watched the famous video about it. But I always think that I would need to defend myself. I feel if it goes to a jury and you don't say anything they might assume your guilt. But from everything I've seen you are absolutely right. Don't say anything and contact a lawyer.
pepcore Yeah, it cannot help. The police doesn’t make the decision to arrest you and charge you during the interrogation. That has been already made. The ONLY purpose of the interrogation is to gather more evidence against you. It there’s just no reason to do it. None.
“The truth is paramount.” Says the untruthful investigator.
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M Lo2021-06-01 18:55:19 (edited 2021-06-01 18:57:50 )
Infuriating. So glad to hear the detectives involved were demoted and suspended. Even if it’s still not justice there are probably countless cases where someone is wrongfully accused and less is done about it
When I was 13 I was arrested for being falsely accused of breaking into a mailbox. I was in the area with a group of kids when it happened. One of the kids told his little brother, who WAS NOT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED, to tell the police that I did it. I got arrested. No matter how much I argued, cussed at the police, yelled, and told them that I did not do it the police didn’t believe me. I was going to be charged with several felonies because it was one industrial mailbox that contained several individual mailboxes and mail was opened. Eventually the Chief decided to not charge me because there were over 20 people who had my side. That moment changed my life.
"The officers are on paid leave". "A judge has found that the officer was in the right". "In other news, why do some americans not trust the justice system?"
@dirtaylulu I'd like to think after this the authorities went back and took another look at every prisoner whose case had any involvement from either of these cops.
For lying to somebody without evidence, and being a part of a culture where you are encouraged to get a confession without any evidence, I would say that demoted and suspended without pay is not enough.
Made me breath a sigh of relief. That guy was so calm in the face of false accusations and I couldn’t have kept it together. I completely expected him to get booked to jail and knowing that he was paid and his accusers demoted restores some faith in a fucked system
Yet all it takes is for the wrongfully accused to lose his patience ONE TIME, with something like "Man, you fuckers are gonna PAY for this," and now it doesn't MATTER whether you're guilty or innocent.
The narrator marvels at Michael's calm reserve, when it's very simple to explain: Michael has played his entire LIFE by the ruleset that you talk VERY GENTLY AND POLITELY to white men with GUNS if you don't want to get your TEETH kicked in.
46K is NOTHING. Demoted and suspended without pay is NOTHING. Being dropped into general population where most of the OTHER recipients of their brand of superlative investigative work are being 'detained' would be NEARER the mark of justice, along with a BIG FAT SETTLEMENT so Michael never has to ride the bus again so long as he lives.
They should be out of the job lol what. If I don't do my job...I get fired. They have a job to investigate crimes to make sure they are getting the right people. Very many times a simple check would have exonerated this guy, like the bus driver right when they arrested him, or the surveillance could have been pulled the same day or the day after, instead of 3.5 DAYS LATER! An innocent person got their freedom taken away for 3.5 days because of the ineptitude of these cops, so they should be fired.
considering, getting confessions without evidence gets you a promotion, I think it turns out they were just deranking to smurf on the newbies. i like to think there's a full on competitive ranking for detectives from essentially, Silver 1 to Global
@BurritoMan Thats just a ridiculous, made up number. Stop spreading misinformation simply because you are too lazy to check. Even using the most basic of common sense any human should possess, a number this high should ring some bells and at the very least warrant a quick google search to check, before randomly posting it. The entire google search would literally have taken you as much time as writing this comment. Just if you are curious, the actual number is somewhere in the 2-5%, which is still too damn high. But at least we are not convicting people on a coinflip, as you seem to think is reasonable.
Karly Escobedo honey, when people say America we all know what they’re referring to. So you wanna get all specific then say North America, because that’s where Canada is, sweetheart.
@leigh Why would I say North America if this happens in the whole continent? Canada is IN America, idk if that's so hard to understand, America ≠ U.S.A It's not that hard
Technically Karly is right. North america, central america, and south america or the technical regions. When people talk about United states, they usually say U.S. U.S. actually lol
@Karly Escobedo In the English-speaking world there are 7 continents, of which 2 are North America and South America. Also, America = USA in English like 99% of the time. Learn the rules of the language you are using.
It's not that hard.
Karly Escobedo Girl, North and South America are two different continents. It’s basic geography. So as I SAID, you should’ve said North America. It’s not that hard.
@leigh In contrast to the common definition of "North America", which encompasses the whole continent, the term "North America" is sometimes used to refer only to Mexico, Canada, the United States, and Greenland.
Louis V. When people speak about the US, they say “America.” Or when you hear artists on the radio, go to protests, or hear what white supremacists say, they say what? “This is America.” What’s Trump’s quote? “Make AMERICA great again.”
@leigh It's so so so dumb. I see Spanish or Portuguese speakers on the internet trying to "correct" English speakers about this America thing all the damn time. It's ridiculous. It would be like me "correcting" a French person in French that "librarie" has to mean "library," because that's how the word functions in English. Learning a second language is more than just substituting one set of words for another.
zammmerjammer yeah exactly. When someone says something, we know what they’re talking about. Unless someone is completely using a word, there’s no need to correct them because other people will understand it as well.
A simple wikipedia's fact check would get the both of you to stop hounded all night. Lol now post what it says and we shall see who "knows english" more than the other. As if that was even the argument lol. Stay on topic when debating something instead of creating your own arguement just to get your two cents in. We are talking geography, not literature. But hey, keep "correcting people" on the simple fact that you think you're better at the English language when we all know you wouldn't be shit without autocorrect now a days.
Nah, canada, Iceland, mexico is technically still considered north america by the rest of the world whether you like it or not. Making it apart of the americas. Lol like I said, stay in school.
@Louis V. LOL. "The Americas" not "America." I like how you're backpedalling now while trying to insist you're still right. Did you learn that in school? ha ha ha
@Louis V. Hahaha after some "deep research" our man has subtly changed his argument, hoping nobody would notice his ignorance and let him slide. It's fine bro, you can go now. We won't tell anybody 😂
@leigh You are so wrong. Go back to school. The entire continent is called the Americas. We say Canada. America and South America. End of story. Go back to school.
@leigh I went to a great school and I'm well educated which is why I was able to give you the correct information so you don't continue to sound unintelligent. But your ego got in the way and did not allow you didn't allow you to accept correction and correct information. I'm sure you remember that the entire continent is called the Americas. Go back to school honey
João Leote2020-12-06 04:08:33 (edited 2020-12-06 04:09:08 )
This whole threat is so stupid smh Each country has a different number of continents. It isnt about language.
In my country, Brazil, we have 6: Asia, Europe, Africa, America, Oceania and Antarctica. The American continent is divided in 3 sub continents, South America, Central America and North America.
In the US there are 7; North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.
In Japan I heard there are 6: North America, South America, Eurasia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.
The Olympic flag has 5 rings, each representing a continent. It says there are: Americas, Africa, Australia, Asia and Europe. It doesnt count Antarctica probably because it is meant to represent all the countries of the world united, and Antarctica isnt exactly famous for their countries full of people
Note: Oceania is basically Australia but with a different name. I personally prefer it because Australia is a country
@Carbon 12 yeah, no. That’s a lie. When someone from Italy or Mexico asks you where you’re from, you say “America” because everyone knows what part you must be from. Or when the BLM protests were going on, no one said the U.S. they said America. So whether we’re full of ourselves or not, the world likes to hype us up.
I was once mistaken for someone of a different race that was a foot shorter. They didn't have enough to arrest me, never mind hold me, but they still said I "matched the description."
I got a good laugh when I read the news of the guy they actually arrested.
LIBERAL MARXIST COMMENTERS: Sees 2 stories, 1 of a black man jailed 3 DAYS and lavishly given $46,000, another of a white man falsely jailed 2 YEARS and given NO money
“Hey, we should totally comment about how hard the black man’s life was, and totally ignore the white guy who was screwed over 1000x worse!”
Lying detective: "If you did it or not is not up for discussion." Innocent dude: "Okay well.." Lying detective: "It's really not. There is a number of witnesses" Innocent dude: "Oh okay! Great" Lying detective: "One of whom had a video camera." Innocent dude: Looks up with joy in his eyes Perfect!
idk how he could continue thinking he was guilty. also that exchange was lowkey hilarious. he was so over him.
The "police officer" who arrested him still say he got the right guy even though he couldn't have done it. And still he's employed at the same police department and made $188,242.68 in pay in 2019. How can that even be a thing? That guy is the exact opposite of a policeman, he's a crook and should be behind bars! Here's the employment info on that creep: opengovca.com/ontario-employee/Mann,_Oliver
Lying detective: "If you did it or not is not up for discussion."......because we already know you didnt. We are just mad because we couldnt catch a little white dude so to save face we are saying we caught up to a tall black guy.
I'm an introvert myself and could potentially see myself reacting in some ways similar to Michael. However, I'm sure I would have challenged the officer after his speech between 18:50 and 19:15, where the Officer says he'll investigate and hopefully establish the truth to Michael's alibi (effectively establishing his innocence or guilt), which is a complete contradiction with the Officer's earlier assertion that they have clear witness and video evidence of Michael's guilt which is apparently not in question. I'd also have asked the Officer something like "what the hell are we doing here if you've already established my guilt?"
@pelle oh It's Canadian dollars so it's not as much as U.S. It would be around $143,000 U.S. dollars, which is still quite a lot for a man in this position.
The man was a well spoken, polite, gentleman who did not match the description of the perpetrator and (I bet) had no criminal record. But he wasn't white, so......
That to me feels like racism at that point. The guy is happy the whole thing was recorded, investigator was told it was a short white man, yet still continues to try to put the guy in jail for the crime. That sounds like racism to me.
@Luke Sutton The investigator was told it was a short white man. The fact he was a tall non-white man who he's still trying to find guilty tells you nothing?
@MrFallior Yes. Or maybe just lazy work. I don't think it's that uncommon for some officers/investigators to just pin the blame on whoever because it's easy and they don't really feel like having a proper investigation. But yeah, when you know the race of the criminal and arrest someone who is very clearly a different race but continue to insist that they are the criminal, there may just be some racism there. I don't understand racism. It just doesn't make sense lol
@ganjaericco It doesn't have to be either rioting or nothing though. You can protest, which is non violent which is guaranteed under the 1st Ammendment of the (American) Constitution. Unfortunately people now say "protestors" when they should be saying "rioters". Riots involve violence to people and property and that is illegal. Protests are not violent and are completely legal. But the media is now calling rioters protestors as a way of making it seem like it's an ok thing to do and/or to hide the fact that they are rioting. That then gets blended in people's minds which just in the long run makes everything worse causing more division and more violence. The same thing has been done by not making the distinction anymore between "illegal immigrant" and (legal) immigrant. In the past, if you wanted to immigrate you had to through a process and gradually you could, by completing that process, be an immigrant =a legal citizen of the US. Now "immigrant" is anyone who comes here to stay, whether legally or illegally. Again, this gives people the idea that there is no difference. This makes people think everyone should be able to come here to live without any checking of background or any process. Many young people don't even seem to realize that there is a difference and only makes the issue more polarized.
@HowDoesOneSocial That's true. Any type of person that is okay with doing that, racial intentions or not, should be the one going to jail. It's a pretty psychopathic mindset to be okay with putting anyone in jail for a crime you know they didn't commit simply because it's easier. To not care that you just ruined their life.
@Kris Roberts it applies, sweetie. the word "racism" hurting your little ears is nothing compared to a man almost being jailed when he was innocent just because he was black.
In software development, we have a thing called code review, someone invests 5 hours of his time to do something, another one takes 10 mins and reviews the most important parts of the work to make sure its done well. Here when a person's life is on the line, this stupid investigator got away with his hanky panky investigation :D
@princesstamika not just because someone asked for some money. If they didn't actually do anything and they literally just asked if you had some spare cash, why would you call the police on them? You're just gonna waste that persons time and possibly get them in serious trouble with the law when they may have just actually needed some spare cash. Maybe if they like, threatened you or started following you or something, but asking for money isn't worth getting the cops called.
@princesstamika also, protests get violent without police all the time. And people get paid to go to riots to stir things up, but they gat like that on their own sometimes too. Especially the ones that involve breaking into stores and destroying the place and stealing. And in some cases beating/killing the store owner, who's actually usually black. It doesn't even matter if someone stirred them up in that case. Just cuz someone got you hyped doesn't suddenly mean it's that persons fault that you committed a crime lol.
That first investigator is beyond infuriating. I get it's his job, but he's bad at it. He's so cocky and doesn't even build up to anything. Just accuses him right off the bat spilling lies, EVEN when he doesn't fit the description AT ALL. I don't know how that man stayed so calm, I would have been so mad at each lie that came out of his mouth
@Tit Snack I got the impression from true crime shows that the angrier the person is at an accusation the less guilty they generally are. Obviously, it's not so cut and dried, and also depends on the type of accusation, but I still think this is the case.
@Randy Douglas Problem is, a lot of people can't afford a lawyer, and in the US you can't get a public defender until you are charged, so it is a lose lose for a lot of people.
Steph Daigle Do the POC in Canada feel the same way? I completely understand that the racial tensions in the US are unique to the US, but I have definitely heard POC from various countries say that racism is an issue for them when the white people say it isn’t. A ton of white people in the US will say that we don’t have issues with racism here and turn around and brag about how they find ways around hiring Black people.
Steph Daigle Because I’m pretty sure that Canada had horrible things happen with the Natives over there and saw that some of your politicians were outcasted for trying to bring to light the race issues you guys have, so is it actually not an issue there? Or is that the just the same run of the mill perspective that white people everywhere tout? I don’t know your race btw.
That man burned me up. He is the one who seemed criminal-so willing to lie and easily doing so, and like he had the right to do so. By contrast, the innocent guy he was speaking to was so much more pure by nature.
This is why the first question in one of these interviews should be "Am I being detained?" and from there you either leave or shut up till you have a lawyer. It's painful watching both these innocent guys get taken advantage of.
@Big Taro you could do that, but at that point you're just being an ass to the investigator and aren't making things any better since they'll just grab you later and "detain" you.
And both of these individuals were being detained anyways. Talking often fixes things, since by staying quiet the investigators are only left with what they know and will assume that to be true, and they don't know your side of the story.
@Bear Marco That is absolutely false. The investigator is flat out lying to the first guy in the video. If you aren't being detained you're there as a witness, if you are, it's because you're a suspect. Demand your right to an attorney and shut the hell up. The right to remain silent is one of the most powerful rights one can flex. You can go through several of this guy's videos and on multiple occasions you see these idiots corner themselves because they didn't shut up. Some cops want to really find out what happened, but a lot want to convict and move up in the dept or just go home. I'm not saying all cops are terrible people but 99% of the time, it's better to shut up.
@Big Taro I take your point, but most cops don't get rewarded by conviction rate, it's based on things such as how thorough your investigation was.
Whilst you can probably stave off court by not talking to the police, it won't prevent them from getting a lot of that information through another method and then charging you.
You are correct in the belief that a large number of suspects do lie and put themselves into a corner, and that's one of the main reasons the police ask questions in the quantity that they do. Thing is; if you're telling the truth, it'll line up with the evidence.
@Bear Marco No, you still should not ever talk to the police. Nothing you say to them can help you in court, it can only hurt you. Any good lawyer would never advice you to talk to the police as the suspect
@Bear Marco "You are correct in the belief that a large number of suspects do lie and put themselves into a corner, and that's one of the main reasons the police ask questions in the quantity that they do. Thing is; if you're telling the truth, it'll line up with the evidence." Yea but isn't that part of the problem when you are innocent? What else can you say other than "I didn't do it"? It's only evidence if there are inconsistencies in the answers given, right?
@Metal Mayhem If you say that certain things happen, and there is evidence that proves that your version of events did happen, then you will be removed from police suspicion.
By not saying anything to the police, and since they legally aren't allowed to draw conclusions because you want to be silent; they'll only have someone else's side of the story to go on. The same evidence can tell two stories depending on the context. One might tell your innocence, and the other may tell your guilt. It's often your burden to give them this context.
@Bear Marco NOOOO NO NO NO. It is always, ALWAYS their burden to prove.
Innocent until proven guilty. You get a lawyer if you're innocent or guilty because a lawyer tests the standards and evidence of the prosecution.
Eyewitnesses? Unreliable. Any good lawyer gets that thrown out. Testimony from just one person? That's not enough to convict. "I saw Jimmy stealing 4000 pounds of crack cocaine last night" should NEVER be enough to convict someone just because Jimmy doesn't say anything to an accusation so stupid. Replace "crack cocaine' in my example with literally anything else, the argument still stands.
If the police on have 1 context to go off of, then that's not enough evidence to convict, and you should go free. You do NOT talk to police because they will repeatedly ask you the same questions, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again and again and again.
They ask repeatedly because all it takes is 1, 1 contradiction, no matter how small, to get your testimony considered unreliable. Then you get a new charge, lying to police.
For example lets assume that you're arrested for theft, there's no evidence against you, but someone mistakenly believes they saw a suspect that fits your description running from a gas station.
The date is June 18th
Cop: "Where were you on June 17th" You: "I was at home" Several hours later Cop: "What were you doing last night?" You: "I was walking my dog" Cop: "I thought you said you were at home when I asked you earlier? You're lying to the police? Why are you lying? Cause you're guilty?" You: "what, no! This is insane!"
Several days later at trial Cop: "well, you see your honour, the suspect lied to me, and when I asked why proceeded to shout and yell at me"
See what happens? Completely innocent, yet it doesn't look so clear cut from an outsiders perspective, right?
Do not, under ANY circumstances, talk to police if you're a suspect. EVER. Just 1 mistake is all it takes to potentially ruin your life. It might not even be your mistake, as this YouTube video proves when Justin got arrested for 2 years.
@Bear Marco That's fair but isn't there some middle ground where it isn't? The second guy that was asleep at his moms house, there's no evidence to back that up.
@Metal Mayhem Or if the cop can make it seem like there are inconsistencies. There are all sorts of dirty interview techniques that can make an innocent person look guilty.
@Squidwart If you're an investigator and make a mistake on who you charge, you've royally failed at your job and in most cases will quickly lose it. The people who charged Andrew Mallard with crimes all lost their jobs as police officers.
@Metal Mayhem You won´t pay 100% attention to your environment at all times. "When you were walking through the city last week, did you see the guy in the pink elephant suit? He was clearly there." Your brain might even make memories under pressure, which might make you give a false confession.
Do not talk to the police when they are interrogating you, they don't speak in your best interest today. Hire someone who does, and who will use the tools available to make sure your words arrive truthfully and preferably harmless.
@Big Taro I think when you're falsely accused you go in thinking "this will be easy to get out of, the quickest way out is just tell them the truth" and they think that getting a lawyer will make them look guilty. You're absolutely right on paper, but I don't think psychology agrees with you.
@lalala lalala which cop? the investigator who did the interview or the one who arrested him at the scene?
also, he is white, and I don't understand what racism you are talking about. His clothes and hairstyle (or lack thereof) may have matched the suspect and the suspect had already popped out of sight.
@Bear Marco You are dangerously wrong. Someone else recommended a 45 minute video about why you should NEVER talk to police as a suspect. That talk was given by a lawyer and a cop, and they both agreed talking is the worst thing you can do and can lead to a conviction even if you're innocent.
I genuinely hope you're never falsely accused, because you're in serious danger of fucking your whole life up under questioning. You really ought to watch that video.
@Bear Marco homi no... the investigator is not your friend, talking does nothing but give them way to connect the dots they want to connect. You want to increase your chances of getting out, stay quite until you can talk to an actual lawyer. the whole legal system is at time like a over complicated game of gotcha.
@Viktor Zenelaj If the investigator has evidence that shows your guilt, you'd have to give them some new evidence that proves your innocence. Your word gives them leads that they can investigate which may prove your innocence.
@Bear Marco that's, unfortunately, not how it works. without a lawyer its super easy to accidently dig your own grave rather than dig your way out. You wanna give them other evidence? do it through a lawyer.
@Bear Marco That’s literally what the second guy did. He gave them an alibi and even gave a witness (his mother) yet was still imprisoned for 2 years. You’re talking like someone who doesn’t actually know how any of this works.
@Unregistered HyperCam 2 This is 100% correct. There are countless videos of police officers saying this themselves. There are examples of people saying something genuinely harmless that somehow comes back to hurt them in the end, even though they originally seemed ENTIRELY unrelated. Do not say a fucking thing. Do not give some obvious reason why you can't be at fault. Identify yourself and shut the fuck up. Talking will ABSOLUTELY NEVER HELP YOU. There is NEVER A TIME will it will help you. Shut up and get your lawyer. If you're detained, the cop is not your friend and he is not there to help you, and in his mind his goal is most likely to get you for whatever charge at any cost.
@Bear Marco No legal expert advises speaking to the police. Nothing the police say can be used against them, everything you say can be used against you. Ask the police if you are being detained, if yes, notify them you will invoke your 5th amendment right to remain silent. If you are arrested request to speak with an attorney. Nothing you say to the police will help you.
JCS if you can see this I support all of your content! It’s unfortunate that YouTube keeps taking your videos down but hopefully everything works out in the end. I binge watch all of your videos & we hope that there’s more to come!
I'm trying to piece together what happened by checking these recent comments... I noticed the last few videos are gone. What's going on?? Just getting some kind of violation strikes against his stuff?
Since this is JCS's earliest video since all of their other videos got taken down for literally no reason. I just want to say that if you switch to a different platform, I will follow just to watch your videos. Love this channel.
I love your videos is saddens me that YouTube is doing this to all these channels. I really hope you guys can make it through! Much love and appreciation for all the work you put into these ❤️
When I was 15, my bike was stolen. My parents had me report it and they brought me down the station to go over all the details. The cops brought me into a little room and they convinced me that someone didn’t steal the bike, but in fact I stole someone’s bike. Since they couldn’t find the bike I stole they charged me $250 for some kids bike that I apparently stole.
@T.C. B they didnt want to bring me in the first place (didnt have the best parents), but when they seen how upset i was and making a "big deal" about it, they only dropped me off and i went in alone. Obviously they fought the accusation, but in the end, the cops still did what they did.
To this day, i never talk to cops, even when they pull me over, i just hand over my information and tell them "i dont answer any questions" it works even better when you tell them they are being recorded
Man where are you guys at I've been waiting for you to make some new videos you guys are by far my favorite channel the way things are explained the narrators voice and how you make your videos is absolutely impeccable I always check to see if there's a new one but there never is please come back you guys rock and roll
That cop who kidnapped tried to throw that man in jail should be locked up for life for what he did. If he's willing to do it once he'll do it again, he can never be trusted again and the fact they kept him on the force goes to show you how bad things really are.
It’s unfortunate but the old motto of “innocent until proven guilty” seems like it was always a lie. I feel like it’s “guilty until proven innocent”. It really makes you think of all the innocents in jail while the real culprit is still walking around out there.
The saddest thing is that these officers have a goal when they do these interrogations and that goal is to get the answer to what happened, confirm a confession or evidence and then close the case. Some officers care, I want to say most do, but there are also a handful of officers that are just looking for the easiest answer, regardless of the consequences for the falsely accused.
It's common for someone who knows they haven't committed the crime to mistakenly waive their rights, falsely assuming they can simply explain their innocence. The truth is just the opposite. I think you're foolish to subject yourself to a trained interrogator without having a lawyer explain the situation. Anyone with doubts should look into the "Norfolk Four" case!
Question for the OG patreons. JCS once did a video where a guy was taken in for questioning, he was a suspect for his girlfriends death. However no one seemed to be noticing he had a bullet in his head, and he was clearly deteriorating and I'm pretty sure he told them he had been shot. I can't find the name of this guy, anywhere. Could someone let me know please?
@Ethan JCS posted a video yesterday/earlier today saying that YouTube had removed a ton of his videos for no apparent reason. He also had a Tweet up and was asking for people to retweet it.
Telling the TRUTH seems to be the EXACT reason this wonderful channel has now been targeted to be violated by YouTube! The same unfair, inhumane and capitalistic treatment these cops gave those innocent men. This sh has got to stop 😒
Mike was cool, calm and controlled. This is how you react when you are innocent. You know for a fact that something is not right and you know your position in interrogation so you just play with the detective cause you know the truth will come out.
This should always be your reply when under arrest and being questioned.Lawyer! The detectives are not there to help you,no matter what you ssy.Never give up your right to remain silent.Lawyer up.
Been in that same position accused of a burglary that I knew nothing about and I wasn't calm then the police said we know your guilty your protesting to much which pissed me off big time .I was 14 years old I had delivered a news paper to the premises that had been robbed that's it I screamed shouted the police shouted at me calling me a liar it's made me hate the police I was just doing my paper round
"The interrogating officer and 3 other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay" - Well done! Sadly, much harder to happen in the US. You need 5 bodycam videos, 20 witnesses and 3 months of media coverage to get anything done in the name of justice around here...
@Collin Specht And I fully support that - I don't believe people like him have part in society. The death of people stemmed directly from his poor decision-making and upbringing, that transformed him into a spoiled brat-vigilante. No decent or intelligent person want anyone like this roaming the streets playing 'cops' or 'military'...Laws are often unjust and that decision, although lawful, was in fact not justice.
When something like this happens the arresting officers the judge the prosecutor's all of them should have to go spend the same amount of time in jail as the falsely accused and imprisoned and that'll stop this s*** right away
I really hate prosecutors that just wanna make a career, instead of really trying to find out if someone is guilty or not, i think that prosecutor doesnt even care if he is innocent or not.
Always ask for a lawyer even if you are 100% innocent and have no idea why they are questioning you. Always lawyer up. These people will completely screw you.
I’m sorry if this is a reoccurring question, however Id love to know who is behind the commentaries. What I’m wondering is what kind of education is behind the analysis and commants Thank you 🙏
This whole inveatigative process is so wrong and obviously balanced in the prosecutor's favor. I don't doubt that's why this is the last video this channel has uploaded in a year.
JCS gets harassed by vague YouTube policies every few months.... keep an eye on his twitter and go from there.
Could be a full platform switch, a return to the good videos that YouTube doesn't like being patreon exclusives ($1 a month), or everything gets reuploaded....
It should be illegal for police to lie no matter what the charge is even if its murder they should not be able to try and scare someone into a confession so many innocent people are in prison today be cause of cops lies if a cop lies to someone like he did on the vid they will do it without thinking about it on paper with and around other cops who are corrupt!!!
That investigator mad me so fucking angry.. Michael stayed so calm and collected, but I would’ve flipped my shit. That’s bullshit. The ending was like a reward tho.. I’ve never been more mad watching interrogations.
if you guys want to watch the new videos a lot of streamers did reactions to them, like xqc for example. any blood or violence isn't shown tho but everything else is the same along with the commentary of course
I walked in on my wife and her co worker in my bed one day and I turned around and left my house filed for divorce the next morning then another day later was falsely accused of abuse,immediately lost all of my rights lost my 2 year old son and wasn't allowed to go to my house to get my clothes or tools for work,then got fired from my job had to sell my truck (which I was living out of)to hire an attorney,judge ordered my attorney to pay my retainer fee to my ex wife's attorney,I tried to get a public defender but was denied because my ex filed bankruptcy and used a public defender so was told it was a conflict of interest,so I'm trying to defend myself and was ordered to pay her attorney 8 grand within 8 days and if I didn't I go to jail for contempt,the 8th day I still didn't have 8 grand and my 80 year old grandparents came with me to provide my transportation,the judge told my grandparents that they must pay the 8 grand or I will go to jail I said no I'll just go to jail because that is 100% extortion,my grandparents ended up paying it,this went on for 5 years then I was finally able to get my divorce and start seeing my son again which was now 7 years old(I hadn't even been allowed to call him) for 4 hours one day a every 2 weeks,I still can't get my rights back and never once got a chance to defend myself,she moved to a different state and I pay her $1,200 monthly and can't get any type of licenses or permits issued by the state and I have my son about 75% of the time I buy him everything that he needs to have a normal life and do all his school things with him and help him with his homework even over the phone when she has him,illinois family court is ONLY good for trying to destroy the relationship between fathers and their child I've had to give up everything i owned and alot of my rights just to get to see my son and I would do it again if I have to,my life is difficult but all I need to be happy is my son
@xocomaox it was monetized before but now they’re getting screwed over. They have a second channel called J C S where they put up funny videos explaining what happened
What a pity YouTube closed this channel down with spurious 'guidelines' objections...
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I am only 5 mins in and am hoping this US citizen who happens to be black sues this P D for millions. And the Police are not your friend, you are just an item on a production line to be processed. If the item is assembled incorrectly, that is someone else's problem.
The "black guy" is not that "black", he is a double-half-cast guy (his black part is just 25% or lower) so he could potentially be taken in as a "white guy" as well. It is not a race thingie here. What is the most problematic is that he was just walking by and was arrested without the slightest evidence he was linked to the crime. Said this, given his arrest, in the interrogation all they had to do is to check a couple of details, verify them and they would find out instantly that the guy is unrelated and they just lose their time. For some reason they insisted he had to be the one, which just shows lack of professionalism. The second case with the ginger guy is more troublesome since the alledged victim named him as the culprit and as such police is forced to take him in for a thorough interrogation. it is heartbreaking to see an innocent man like him being judged, even more so, when in his youth he was indeed an outlaw and did some time in prison as well. The man was trying to clear his act and work his ass off to survive only to be wrongfully accused of something he did not do. Despicable. Liars who accuse innocent people have to be severely punished.
He did ask him a few questions the video skips through like where he was right before the arrest. The problem is the officer didn't follow through on any investigation and it took another investigator to step in and fact check everything that was said 3 days later. If this officer had actually looked into it, he would have seen they were wrong and Michael could have maybe gotten out by the end of the day.
@cirmothe9 not an officer, he is a detective. Different position. Idk if that matters in this case but in this comment section I've seen a lot of acab bs being thrown at actual police officers just doing there job when it should be aimed at the shitty justice system period. Not the officers who just make sure the suspects get into question.
@Killer Macchiato The entire process was done completely poorly. From the individual officers to the detective to the justice system. The 911 description was entirely different to suspect and was ignored by the officers and was not checked by the detective. That’s not the justice systems fault. That’s complete negligence by the cops. I get that some cops are good but there are so many examples of them just doing a shit job time after time and it’s the entire crew not just one cop
@Sue Lyons not just anyone can become a police officer. though you are correct they are lazy and now even more so, due to it no longer being a government run business. however, the police do not make the rules, only enforce them. Saying every police officer is evil or dumb, is naive, and the equivalent of saying every teacher is just in it for the money.
@Killer Macchiato actually no, plenty of officers and medical personnel were charged in the Nuremberg trials for saying they were 'just doing their job' that bollocks doesn't wash.
"im not even going to ask if you did it because its obvious you did." * a few moments later* "im gonna look into this and verify it's the truth"... hmmm. ok dude. GTFO.
@Pun detective Clearly....English is not your first language or you can't read. I said "a lot". I never said "every". Read before you post. Reading for comprehension is a thing. Look it up.
What happened to Michael Dixon is so freaking infuriating. The detective should've lost not only his rank, but any sort detective position period. Since he completely disregarded the suspect's description relayed through dispatch. And instead arrests a man who's description is 100% contradictory to the one given. If you're willing to flout your responsibility to that extent then you don't deserve to have it. Call it an honest mistake, but innocent people are punished far more the detective's mistakes than the detectives themselves. It's absolutely insulting.
@Tanaphar Plus Masks I got interrogated today due to a possible crime taking place... I was seriously getting the vibes from the investigator that he thinks I'm guilty and I got angry and frustrated
I got interrogated when in High School because someone called with a bomb threat, I was skipping class at the time of the call and came back later (I used to skip classes to smoke, not my proudest moment, I know) and I was so scared that all I told myself was to remain calm and try to be reasonable, I was in the wrong because I was skipping class and I knew that if they decided to check my backpack they would find a little bit of weed and my pack of cigarettes. I was sure something was about to happen but I just didn’t know how to react, I was scared to end up in jail for possession of drugs. My principal was the one that saved me, she said she saw me outside smoking a cigarette and told me to come back in to have a talk with her, at which point I felt relieved.
I don’t know what could’ve happened if she didn’t actually see me at that moment, I don’t know what would’ve happened, I don’t think I had the “right” body language at all yet I was innocent of the things they were accusing me for.
@Mislav Horvat the store i managed was robbed at gunpoint. I was suspect #1 and interrogated. I was also the one who had the gun pointed at me and was robbed.
Whenever my mom thought I lied or did something bad she'd tell me I was lying or I did whatever she thought I did, and when I would get frustrated and angry and defend myself, she'd use my emotions as "proof" that I did whatever she thought I did. Felt awful being called a liar and then having no way to defend myself.
No, in some cases not. I would be afraid, worried and super nervous. I hate going to doctors, interwievs, my boss etc, and if the police showed up I would be scared,even if I didn't do anything wrong. But that's me, I always been like this. Even if I know I AM in the right or innocent. I can't even convince my boss when I'm in the right. When the police came to ask me about something one day (I was the "victim") it was like this too. I hate it.
@ben colbert because you were thought to be in ka-hoots. The fact that you were held at gunpoint doesn't mean you are automatically not guilty lol could have been a set up so that have to rule people out, not assume peoples' innocence.
There is no one way that people act. I get very nervous even when I'm not in any trouble. I don't act confident. Should I be presumed guilty, then? Part of the problem is that nobody is good at seeing if someone is lying. Everyone behaves differently.
@Solar Are you telling me you wouldn't mind a 12 year old finding this channel and watching all of the content? Nobody is saying it's not educational, I'm saying that is was probably taken down because it features very dark topics that are easily accessible to younger audiences
@CrazyDragy Nobody said it should be censorship unless you're saying the age restriction feature is? Also the responsibility for protecting kids online is indeed on the parents. But your point would be akin to not helping someone who tripped because they look like they can handle it. Big surprise but people online are assholes, they don't mind messing with kids, and not all parents are prepared for the internet. But sure. Shall I send this video link to a group of 10 year old kids?
@Chakra_SSE This video is educational. It's not the same as pornography, that's still big in media, or gore. I don't think most people have issues with simple age restrictions but Internet laws and codes of conduct are (based on) outdated real life ones and don't work well if at all for what they're meant to do. You brought it up first. As if youtube has a track of being sensical in enforcing their guidelines or making them clear, or just caring about the community in general.
@Chakra_SSE Depends what was it I suppose. Depends on the 'child'. Not everything is black and white. "Think of the children!" is a pretty stupid argument because they're always both coddled and neglected simultaneously, making me think that it's really not about them. Still, we're starting to stray off topic. Did you mean that it's understandable why YT acts like that or championing such actions, since you deem them needed/appropriate?
@CrazyDragy No, I gave the reason why YT removed the video, I never said that it was the right decision. But in the end we are arguing about something ultimately meaningless in the end. Nobody had their mind or opinion changed, and nobody learned anything
@Chakra_SSE Oh okay. Was that the reason why though? (is it a fact or a theory?) With the level of YT "transparency" one might assume all they do is send a letter with "fuck you" written in it whenever they do anything.
@Chakra_SSE YouTube is made for people 13 and older, if a kid under the age of 13 goes on YouTube and gets scared or whatever by the content they have just seen, then it’s their fault along with their parents for not monitoring their child’s behavior. And another thing they can do is simply not watch the video and move on with their day.
the dective or whoever made the decision to keep this innocent man in jail, should be fired at the most, at he least be heavily considered for a demotion. had no proof this innocent man had any part of this crime. this is the power of the government superseeding the god given rights of an individual. this is horrifying and horrible at the same time
Well...racism, he saw a black man in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and lied his way into trying him to get him admit to something he didn't do. Considering how calm Michael is, it's probably not his first time dealing with people accusing him of things he didn't do.
@MC Mc yes, I feel there was an element of racism. I'm not woke or a race activist, just an ordinary person. I also feel that the interviewing officer was really lazy and unprofessional.
It's understandable that he'd be mad and outraged at the situation he was in, but he just happens to react more calmly, which isn't that surprising to me. Canadians also tend to have more trust in their legal system I believe.
@Nathan0536 That's the thing people have a hard time understanding (and for good reason)... there ARE cops that are good, honest, helping people who are great at their jobs. It sucks that so many of them get the job for the wrong reasons, being anything other than to be of good service to every citizen.
@Saif You are right from a personal point of view... with the duration of it all that's a good sum to get, easy money, but it's not really setting an example for future cases.
It's about setting an example. Build a case properly instead of pulling this shit. We have an incredibly high conviction rate here in Estonia, similar to Japan, but the prosecution always builds their case up beforehand if it's a criminal offense. Granted... wrongful convictions still happen, but very rarely and news spread fast here.
Meanwhile you aren't penalized constantly for the most mundane of offenses other than parking tickets. Shit... we have it good here. Then again we don't have as many issues here with minor nor criminal offenders.
lol. That was beyond any kind of control I could ever dream of having. This guy was calm through the whole entire ordeal. Something I could have never done.
Ernest Crunkleton i’m not from the us and our legal system fortunately isn’t politicized in the way it is in the states so i think you generally have more rights and are more respected here.
Never talk to the cops. Just remain silent except to ask for a lawyer. Even if you are 100% innocent, they will use your truths against you in court. It's illegal to use something you said during the arrest or interrogation in your defense, so there's literally no good reason to say or do anything.
"You can't talk your way out of getting arrested." - Regent Law Professor James Duane
Always ask for a lawyer and then shut your mouth. Anything you say can only ever be used against you - never for you, because that is considered hearsay.
This are definitely more rights to be violated in the US. Which is why we hear so much about it. Thank God we live in the West. In most eastern countries the conviction rate is over 99%. There, you are guilty if the govt defines you as such. We are lucky.
@matt haha well that's why I gave you a protip. Protip=how the professionals do it. For example you could have written CoMe On mAn at the end in reference to Biden's hand wave expression to level up your internets to 100!
@CDSAfghan The way you are typing, mixing lower and upper case letters I guess you need a lawyer every moment in your life just to guide you on what to do and what not to do.
@boom bap represent do you have some weird obsession with womens periods? Its verging on creepy my dude. Its obvious you're not an adult, so run along.
@boom bap represent please try harder other than "triggered", thats just embarrassing. find something else to try and shock w/ people with cause this aint it chief. Oof.
@boom bap represent By how many times you've talked about periods im just gonna assume that you are actually the one that has it and are just trying to push it on everyone you see.
@boom bap represent dead fish don't bleed since they are dead. Sounds like your blood loss is making you light headed, have you considered an iron infusion?
@Dago Esquer their comments gave it away that it’s some incel looking for attention. Poor thing probably has hate written all over them. Awful way to live your life tbh.
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Diego Luna2020-11-25 09:44:11 (edited 2020-11-25 09:45:08 )
@boom bap represent If anything, it’s you who looks to be triggered. Not sure what’s going on your head but we all know for sure it’s not thinking at all given how you keep responding with the same thing. You should probably get some help buddy. Awful way to live with hate constantly in your mind.
@Diego Luna yeah dude, hes just a sad person with a sad life, which is why theres no reason to reply to him. Thats what he wants, its just a troll/incel being edgy and looking for attention. Anyway have a good one 🤙
@Saint-Izawa 伊澤 well its kinda common sense, if your heart beats faster, its pumping blood faster, which then means more blood would come out of a wound or something
I was curious and looked into Medikamenten-kind, a little. Their channel description states- “ let’s see some bitches get fucked up”. They keep relating back to women’s periods and how everyone here seems to have it. Along with how you’ll bleed out if your heart rate increases ( as if it explodes or gush’s out of you) and that any response to him is you being triggered. How they “love” to trigger Karen’s... Also have a feeling that don’t original speak English.
Looking up their name brings up, first clue. Their name could very well be German. Running their name through google translate. It detects German automatically. Their name translates to “medication child”. Continuing down this road, I get “various” results.. A website teaching how to medicate children. From Germany, or at least in German. I get another stating the best medicine for children. Also in German.
There appears to be no further attachment to this name or any that indicate, any other important search results.
So what that means is. Without me dedicating even more of my time to be weird, be bored and investigate some other arguable more weird, weirdo. And pulling from any given context.
Their an anti-feminist, possibly more. That hates women, has a weird love for periods, and incorrect facts about the human body. And love to trigger people over the internet. Harassing them, you could say. Doesn’t know how to medicate a child, or their child.
Maybe they are, the child?
They also claim it’s 2020, and how you don’t have to be an “emotional train wreck”. But they appear stuck in time, too about, 1940-ish.
* the more you know*
I know no one asked for an investigation, but I had to reel this back into the context of the video, right? This could also just be the smartass in me coming out or something. Figured I’d just throw this comment out there regardless. Didn’t do all that work for nothing, did I?
@boom bap represent I need help, for spotting a seemingly toxic person over the internet. Seeing the comments they have left, and then deciding that at 12pm, going into 1am. That I was bored enough to be curious and search their name. Then report my findings to no one in particular?
That, as if you care or would disprove. Given your actions so far. Were more predictions then factual statements. Based off of what I could dig up, using solely your name. Which any random person could do.
@Delusion2 I’m not sure if I quite figured out your comment ( now I think I have after reading it back a few more times). But based off the last part. Same?
Im still recovering from the hit points it took to write out what I did, at such a late hour. I rewrote it, and Changed my approach in how to respond to him a few times before finally sending my “rough draft”.
Guess I’m finally deciding to try and leave comments on things. Instead of just watching, liking, and moving on? And ontop of that “provoke” medikind, specifically for some reason? Idk. Think to sum up what I’m doing that at least. I’ll simply, quote something.
“Why does anyone do anything? sheer..absolute.. boredom.”
@boom bap represent Figured you didn’t. Pretty sure you’ve been reacting this whole time. To get a further reaction from other people. And that whole “ you have too much time on your hands or don’t have a life” , doesn’t really work in most cases.
It’s more about how you manage your time and what you do with it, rather then “you are lazy and don’t do anything with it, So you have plenty of time for silly activities”. Which your giving as an excuse so you don’t actually have to attempt to further justify yourself or your actions. Just sticking to one liners or single sentences. That you can easily spit out, in a moments notice. If I’m wrong about anything. Please by all means debate it. Unlike you with everyone else who disagrees with you. I’d be happy to hear you out
@boom bap represent again another excuse so that you don’t have to apply much effort. Again, is anything I have said wrong. Or can you simply not disprove it?
@boom bap represent If you can take the time to sit around and wait for people’s @‘s to you, but not form more then a few belittling words. Then why are you here?
@boom bap represent Is it to Harass anyone who you believe to be a feminist at a few seconds of a glance at their response? Do you enjoy upsetting others?
@boom bap represent Also, care to explain why someone questioning you needs a therapist? Or anything else for that matter. Why you seem to know so much about periods maybe?
@boom bap represent Oh come now. You responded within less the three minutes of the first one. Are you really gonna waste that time you spent replying to me, now? Surely not. You yourself said “ you have to much time on your hands, get a life”. You clearly don’t understand your own complaint if your gonna freely waste your time like that.
@boom bap represent I know Germany is pretty far away. But you seem to get notified pretty quickly. And you seem to be able to grasp what I’m saying with at least some understanding without the use of a translator. I invite you to debate it with me. By all means. Use your next move. Don’t waste your time not doing it. That’d be a bad use of your life. Would it not?
I wonder if videos like this are part of the reason why JCS is getting hit and losing videos. I know that's some conspiracy theory shit, but wow.... Does "the man" just not like looking incompetent?
@Bigboikilljoy they would have reviewed the scene where they caught him, because they think he just came out of the jewelry store he wouldnt have time to hide anywhere else other than directly outside of the alleyway exit
@Bigboikilljoy really? When they chased him out of the store and caught him in that very foot chase, as their story went, he was able to hide them without the cops seeing where? Genius assertion
@Adam Woolston The video did say the police lost sight of the man during the chase. Maybe he could have hidden the jewels in the same magical place he turned into a black man. 🤷🏽♀️
@Bigboikilljoy Ah yes, the jewels that could only have been hastily hidden in a matter of seconds before the cops turned the corner and saw the guy and therefore would have been in the immediate area and found within an hour of searching. Compelling argument. When no jewels were recovered, I wonder what that could have meant for our definitely-small-and-white accused? 🤔
@Fancy KarlMarx No electronic recognition of the card at all? Cops just need to look at your phone and they know where you've been and how many steps it took.
@Blue Owl Which backwater, third world country do you come from. The bus pass goes on a reader (to check validity) and beeps and your Google app shows where you've been.
@Gary Hyndman Okay, I think I misunderstood where you were going. I was under the impression that you believed scanning a bus pass would cause the phone to ping or something and start counting steps lol. Also, I thought you though that when police pinged cell phone locations, it will show specific details down to the footstep. Now that that is cleared, I still don’t think the police have access to the google location tracking because of its privacy policy. And lay it off with the anger. I was joking.
@Blue Owl I wasn't angry and privacy about your whereabouts when your being accused of something you never did would go right out the window. Why wouldn't you allow access if you had nothing to hide?
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Blue Owl2021-06-26 10:27:38 (edited 2021-06-26 10:32:43 )
@Gary Hyndman I supposed under those circumstances, then it would be possible. But, that also means that the phone isn’t ALL the police need to figure out your whereabouts to a T. They need your permission, you to use a location tracking app, and you also would have to allow location tracking at all times even outside of the app. I don’t have this on, but I guess the majority of people might?? Idk. Edit: Also, if the phone is searched after the fact, do location tracking services even have a record of your movement from x time beforehand?
@Blue Owl I think Google locations is pretty much a spy in your pocket. Like they say "everyone's wearing a wire now". The buses all have WiFi, nearly every business premises you enter or walk by wants you to give them a star rating or an assessment of some kind. It's almost impossible to give a false alibi so it should also work in your favour if you're innocent.
@Blue Owl Very true. The Chrome server on Android sells your info to marketing firms and sends you irritating and aggressive pop ups from "white listed" companies but the phone doesn't work so well without it. If you go into the settings it gives you a not so veiled threat telling you that your device may "misbehave" if you delete or disable the app.
@Derekif you have an accomplice waiting in a car, do you: A. Give him the jewels and then continue to run away from the police on foot B. Magically turn into a black man C. Get on a bus to get away from police faster or D. Get IN the car
@Adam Woolston the answer is A. Of course you don't approach the car and he is not sitting in it, that would be way 2obvious and dangerous to be caught. He will be just like a pedestrian walking by and pick up the loot. Almost like a drug deal. Of course you don't enter the car when you are being chased, you will never get away in a car chase.
@Derek you literally said in your previous comment that he’s waiting in a car, and now you’re saying you wouldn’t use a car but you’d walk by and do a handoff? Let me guess, if I tell you why that doesn’t work either, you’re gonna name another method and pretend that was your position all along too, right?
@Camilo Ordonez I'm afraid to say that might also just be a pair of expensive earrings or a watch. To think you'd get a jewelry store for 46k is an illusion.
@NotnaRed i think a fast 50k while continuing normal life even if it feels like hell would be way better rather than whatever jewelry + 20 years in prison even if its a really normal prison
@NotnaRed to be fair diamonds are a plentiful resource that have no real value like things like gold do they're just worth a lot because idiots will pay a lot for them 🤷♂️
Double Jeopardy would apply in the USA. He could legally go and rob that jewelry store because he was convicted of it. Just like if you were wrongfully convicted of murdering someone who was alive, once you get out, you can legally murder that person without issues.
For heaven sake with this kind of mentality with that amount of likes no wonder the US Manny small innocent businesses are getting robe and burn down...
It almost feels like a bit of a stroke of luck though. I wonder how many innocent people have been the victim of an unscrupulous investigator without the case being audited properly and just disappeared into the prison system :( Imagine that, you're coming home from work one day, minding your own business and you just get disappeared by the supposedly impartial arbiters of the law. Scary.
@JN America has the highest incarceration rate in the world by far and is obsessed with punishment. If you have a good enough lawyer/bribes you can get away with almost anything. If you are poor and a minority you are screwed. It’s not about innocence or guilt. It’s about money, ego, and who you know.
@James White If being a "minority" has anything to do with this at all, then only that "minorities" are more likely to commit violent crime statistically. Look into official FBI statistics.
C A N A D A ....not the USA... in the USA? You are screwed (possibly depends on state & county) I know..... direct experience 3 days? He got $45,000? ........ yeah... Right you'll NEVER get that out of American courts (even WHEN they're wrong) they do NOT work that way.............. they don't (they'd owe ME... $Millions)
@Medvedec It's fine nobody cares about the fact that the white guy got 2 YEARS in jail all the people in this comment section care about is that the black guy only got 3 days in jail, so much white privilege is happening in this video/s
@Gunnermike455 I don't think you know what white privilege means.
Don't get me wrong, it was the same with me, but I learn and understand now (in part) what our melanin rich brothers\immigrants\minorities are up against.
But, in short, "white privilege" is the absence of systemic/cultural discrimination/oppression.
I think it has more to do with the class. One man was unemployed, looked/dressed poorly, acted angrily and had some bad past with the police.
The other one had a job, was clean shaven and spoke calmly. Though "calm" is an indication of guilt, like the video said, it's not known to the general public and only enhances the image of an "unhinged criminal".
Both were innocent, but because of the incentives that lie in the way the police obtains a confession both were wrongfully accused (it's mentioned in the video ). One had the money to fight the system the other didn't.
For better understanding of "white privilege" i would suggest a video from Contrapoints on white identity, because I know I wouldn't be able to explain it good enough in a YT comment.
Don't get swayed by the SJW/Alt-right people who just meme/screech "REEEEEEEE, MUH WHITE PRIWILLAGE" and don't even understand what the term means.
@Medvedec By saying someone has "white privilege" you are judging that person by the color of their skin which is racist here's a quote from a great man who said it best "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character"
Well, one could describe "white privilege" as "majority immunity" , in other words, an absence of certain kind of discrimination, that a minority experiences.
For instance, one would not use this the original term here in Europe that way, because there are other groups of minorities that aren't differentiated on the base of their skin, but still experience similar problems.
Let me give you a few examples. In Germany Poles and Serbs are seen as something "less" than Germans. In Italy people from the North are seen as more cultured than the south. In Japan people are discriminated based on their origin from other Asian countries.
All of those examples have people of the same color in it, but they still experience discrimination, that the majority doesn't.
So, if we want to describe the absence of discrimination specific to the US, that shows the differences of experiences between whites and blacks we use the term "white privilege" = "majority immunity".
The term is not racially charged and doesn't profile individual people and their beliefs but instead describes a system of discrimination, that's why I and the majority of people know this is not meant as an insult/racist remark.
Well... If you're not a "REEEEEEEE SJW/ALT-RIGHT TROLL" that is.
I hope you understand the term better now. For any further explanation I would really suggest a video from Contrapoints here on YT.
@Medvedec Nope the term is racist and will always be racist no matter how you spin it. Judging people by their skin color is racist no matter what race it is
@Gunnermike455 Well, I guess I'm not really good at explaining the term, if you still have those believes. Again, it's not judging, if you describe a phenomena in society. No one is accusing one another. I't just describing different experiences from a minorities point of view.
@Medvedec "No one is accusing one another" 1. Bullshit people call people that racial slur all the time
"Again, it's not judging, if you describe a phenomena in society" 2.If it was a "phenomena in society" it would be called just privilege not "white privilege" because there are black people who are privileged too but it's not so it's racist
@Gunnermike455 So you do understand the term and are just triggered like a snowflake. I see, I see.I'll use "majority immunity" from now on so your feelings don't get hurt anymore.
Back on the topic of one man getting a 2 year sentence and one only getting 3 days in jail. I still don't think it's te product of "majority immunity" culture, but rather the class difference between those two men, that got them their radically different sentences.
@Medvedec "One had money and lawyers, the other didn't" Thank you for proving my point that white privilege doesn't exist and that black people can be privileged
@Mike Barnes I see you still don't understand the term and get triggered like a snowflake over it. My bad. Maybe m,y English is worse than I thought and you read just gibberish on your screen. Oh well, I tried.
Yeah the way this was all leading I thought we were gonna hear "he was in jail for 17 years and recently got out, that is why you always act like the dude with the beard".
@Sam Yaza um what... you realize minority means there isn’t as big of a population than... lets say white people. the majority of the US population is white. POC are minorities when it comes to numbers. there is nothing about the word minority that means “less than.”
@Gunnermike455 you’re stuck on the word privilege. white privilege means you are not systematically discriminated against BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR ALONE. yes, a poor white person can be less privileged than wealthy person of color but it isn’t because of their skin color. with that being said, a white person rarely has to worry about being killed by police. a white person may have a better chance at getting a job than a black person. people of color have to go through so much because of their skin color. white people dont. thats what white privilege is.
@meggo "a white person rarely has to worry about being killed by police. a white person may have a better chance at getting a job than a black person. people of color have to go through so much because of their skin color. white people dont. thats what white privilege is" This is all false and EXTREMELY racist
@Medvedec you gave the most eloquent, "ABC style" explanation ive heard. At least at first lol. Dont worry about the trolls. I know as informed and empathetic beings we feel a need to reach one another, but not everyone can or wants to be reached. Good job on patiently explaining the concept and even listening to their criticism and responding with tact.
Keep that same energy, but don't let them trip you up into a petty argument. 🤙🏽
@Gunnermike455 you seem young, as in inexperienced and sheltered. I urge you to meet people of a different socio-economic background, listen to others' stories, and make it a point to take in the experience of others before settling on a personalized world-view.
I wish you the best, but you're not on the right track with what you've been saying.
@Gunnermike455 to which Medvedec responded with "majority immunity" to better explain the definition of the term. You are ignoring and refusing to acknowledge the issue; solely focused on your perceived notion of racism at someone's use of the term...
@Lo - Rez The term "White privilege" will always be racist again martin said it best "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character
@Gunnermike455 white privilege is whites who had a 400 year head start in capitalism, gaining wealth and the opportunity for it, only giving other whites opportunities, or any benefit whites enjoy that another race doesn't because of their race. It's a term to describe an aspect of racism but the term itself doesn't say one race is better than the other therfore it's not a racist term.
@Yo Tho The rest of your sentence is not true there were black people back then that had the same "head start in capitalism, gaining wealth and the opportunity for it"
@Gunnermike455 show me a source because all im finding is that africans who were brought over were slaves and no african was brought over to be free and partake in capitalism.
@spencer And i never argued that black people didn't have it the worst back then but what i am saying is that "white privilege" is a racist term because even back then there were a lot of white people who were in the same boat as black people
@Gunnermike455 HA none of those sources say anything about africans being brought over to be free and partake in capitalism especially your most credible source with the .edu that talks about other populations that were enslaved. The wikis talk about blacks who were freed at some point after they were slaves or escaped creating communities away from slave owners. Show me a source of an african who was brought over free and and had the ability to partake in capitalism, free commerce, and act as a citizen with rights, without the fear of being recaptured.
@Yo Tho In first my first source it literally talks about how there were free black people hell this is in the first paragraph "In the context of the history of slavery in the Americas, free people of color were people of mixed African, European, and sometimes Native American descent who were not enslaved
@Gunnermike455 HA those are children of their MASTERS not african people who were brought over free. You and me are both having a hard time finding a source for that because it doesnt exist.
@Yo Tho The term "white privilege" stems from in your own words "white privilege is whites who had a 400 year head start in capitalism, gaining wealth and the opportunity for it, only giving other whites opportunities, or any benefit whites enjoy that another race doesn't because of their race" which is false in 2 out of 3 of the sources i provided it shows that there were hundreds of thousands of black people that could have done and some did do everything that a white person could do and in the last one i showed that white people were also slaves
@Gunnermike455 youre lucky im even acknowledging your Wikipedia sources. You wouldnt even be able to write a educational piece sourcing these pages. And you still cant produce anything to support your statement.
@Gunnermike455 This is hilarious. The first girl WAS mixed so she had protection. The second guy WAS mixed and it even goes on to say he was 1/4 african decent so youre reaching HARD. The last guys dad was french and his mom was mixed so again reaching HARD.
@Gunnermike455 by the same argument wouldn't the term "white" race or "black" race be racist? Are you saying there is no rich or poor people? Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
@Gunnermike455 It is not false. Studies have shown that being given the exact same resumes with the only difference being an applicant having a black sounding name, the one with the black sounding name was called SIGNIFICANTLY less than the one with a typical white name. It is racist to believe than a race is is superior. It is not racist to point out discrimination that is happening based on race.
@spencer " its not in the way it’s used most often" I think that really depends on the parts of the internet you frequent tbh. Interesting. I'd say that yes that there are people who will use it in a way to be racist and they should simply be called out for doing so. The SJW's are a loud minority and them misusing the word to be racist doesn't take away from the reality of what's going on, or how the term in itself isn't racist. As I said before, you never know who's reading and as with what I said with mike Barnes, even if you can't convince them, you may convince an onlooker. People on both sides try to use buzz words to dismiss each other and avoid having their idea's challenged, I don't think that means we should avoid discussion in its entirety because of some imbecils.
@James White bullshit, America does not have the highest in the world, it is Japan by several magnitudes. Also being a minority has nothing to do with it. Also while there are bad people out there most try to remain atleast neutral.
@Heather Petersen Read into the context a little better. I never said a person should be "condemned" for being a certain race. I was answering a guy who claimed that (as always...) minorities are mistreated by law enforcement. Which they aren't.
So take your self-righteous preaching elsewhere, hun.
@Gunnermike455 i used to be like you (same beliefs, but not as rude) and I look back on those days and cringe. I'm glad I was able to be open minded enough to learn about other perspectives without feeling like a victim. I hope one day you can do the same.
@wonbadood how do you know its not worse than death? Have you been in jail for 2 years for something you didnt do? Have you also died and then compared the two? And maybe him and others think so, who are you to talk?
Are you all deaf??? The narrator clearly states the guy served two years IN THE PAST for a PAST CRIME, not for the crime he is being falsely accused of.
@Gunnermike455 bro just forget about trying to discuss anything in the YouTube comments section. Nobody here seems to care so much about the white guy who got two years for no reason, they're all too busy being stoked about the black guy getting the bag 💰💰💰😎😎😎
@Gyvulys statistics doesn't tell you what will happen. Only what has happened historically. You might use statistics as a foundation for a statement such as "this particular group is historically overrepresented among criminals". That's all. If you think statistics let you predict the future you need to go back to elementary school.
This comment is the only reason I’m able to sit through this whole thing. Thank you. I’m sure damn near everyone can relate, but this stuff BOILS my blood.
GOD is righteous. If you repent of your sins, believe in Jesus, get baptised and recieve the Holy Spirit, you will be on the course of salvation. And if you continue to act in faith for Jesus, you aill receive eternal life
@Medvedec The problem is people are actually actively discriminating against white people based on the term "white privilege", it is used to discriminate against whites more so than the term is used as the absence of discrimination, therefore the definition sways in the favour of being racist. Ask me for examples and I will provide them but you seem educated enough to know how bad things are and how wrong you were.
What you wrote was unlikely but still potentially true a year ago, but it is definitely not a correct representation of today's reality.
@James White What do you expect from a country that let's citizens in a jury decide on what the truth is and what not, instead of going for only evidence until the truth is proven.
@Medvedec This is late, but thank you for the explanation. The word has always bummed me out on what it actually means, as people describing those things as white privilige were things that should be a right for everyone (ie: not being unfairly treated because of skin colour). Though, majority immunity/resistance is a much clearer way to describe the same thing in my opnion, as I think the word usage of priviliges comes from the perks that the nobilities enjoyed in medival feudal states such as not needing to pay taxes, which is skipping a responsibility. Thus I atleast associate the word privilige with skipping responsibility or gaining active unfair perks, and less with being not shat on. Again, thanks for the information and clearing up things. Edit: got rid of a typo or two
@Medvedec You did a great job explaining white privilege. Sadly, @Gunnermike455 is not even open to listening to your explanation. He keeps calling it racist, but if he read your comments with open-mindedness, he would understand that the term had nothing to do with judgement, but rather pointing out how the majority (white Americans) have a statistically lower chance of these types of things happening to them
An innocent man was kidnapped and held prisoner and the person responsible only got a demotion. Anything short of it ending in that officer doing the same amount of time is not a happy ending
@Hcaz1113 didnt he also get 46k? I mean 3 days in jail would suck but thats a pretty good sum of money, more than i make a year working overtime every week
@James White if you want to hear a worse system, china has a 99% conviction rate.... think about that. Basically anyone can accuse you of a crime because they dont like you and if you can't bribe the judge / cops or you don't have local ccp connections thats you finished. they don't need evidence. 99% of people in courts there are found guilty.
@ClashRoyale Shorts ah, he means Michael's story, where he was compensated and the arresting officers were stood down. However I am still unsure if that was enough compensation
@wonbadood you will spend the rest of your life being treated like a stain if you have criminal record. If you happen to even know a person who is assaulted, robbed ext. You're suspect number 1.
Atleast of you died you wouldn't be struggling for the next 40 years
@Medvedec Hey mate I just wanna say thanks for the explanation and video recommendations but something tells me only less then 30% of US population probably knows what white privilege means, many far left and alt right populous doesn't even know what that means. It seems to be only used alot by left wingers on Twitter as an insult rather then to criticized an issue.
Well I just learn Mainland china, most Muslim countries, some African countries are full of white privilege. Learn something new every day.
@Gunnermike455 yea homie I feel ya, saw comment about Michael"black dude" staying polite and calm because he cant act like Justin "white" because of society! lol
@Medvedec man I love how you explain it really easy but I really don't understand that person kept ignoring your knowledge and kept focusing on his racist thing' anyways we are on your side keep looking forward 😄👍
@Medvedec So the term can only be used in the US and it's not a term for a specific race despite what the name may seem to imply alright.
Meaning using the word outside any western platform or even in their platforms context need to be added to avoid confusion, because of the conflicting meaning of what most people in general has already associated the term to be racial ridicule of generalization for a specific skin color (white).
If that's the case mate I would advice you to not used the term at all, it's just gonna be a head ache to attempt to explain to multiple people what your trying to say worst case scenario you'll immediatelly get generalize as one of those crazy SJW your opinion will instantly loose validation because of it.
@Lament of False facade 2.0 Well... I didn't come up with the termin. It was coined in the academia do describe a specific thing. I am not responsible, if someone else decides, that the the term offends his thin, snowflake skin or if others don't use it in a proper context.
But, we can see in the video, that the class, not the skin, was the biggest problem here. The first man, even though he didn't have "white privilege" , came out on top while the second was guilt of being poor and thus lost 2 years of his life.
No amount of money can give you back time you lost.
And don't worry about me, I love thin skinned NPCs and their rustled jimmies <3
@Gyvulys So I'm understanding that your logic is minorities statistically commit more crimes so professional investigators should paint them all under one brush and offer them no fair treatment because statistically their race commits more crimes? Not gonna lie dude, you sound like the type who would assume someone is an illegal alien just because he's Mexican lmao.
@Oz - You can go back in the comments and read the explanation of the term if you want. Because, you know, it doesn't mean what you think it means. Don't be so triggered. Think and apply some aloe vera to the irritated areas <3
@James White You can thank the author of the 1994 crime bill for the mass incarcerations that've been accruing for the better part of the last 3 decades.
@Medvedec stop trying to act like you’re smart dude, you’re argument makes no sense, you’re just talking gibberish trying to sound smart and it’s not working 😂
@Logan Miller Never said I was smart. I am as dumb as they come.
Still doesn't change the fact, that the poor white man was incarcerated because he was poor and the police needed to fill a quota. His skin colour and his "white privilege" didn't help him, because you can always blame the lover class for the ills of society and no one beats an eye.
And, like I said, "white privilege" doesn't describe any additional rights, but just the absence of discrimination/prejudices in the US, that minorities experience.
A few examples for better understanding of the term: Going on the other side of the road when you see a black man, because you assume you are in elevated danger. Store clerks locking up shampoos for "black hair". Not being hired because of "urban sounding" name. Being perceived by the police as more aggressive. etc.
If you are triggered by the words I think you should use "major immunity" for this societal phenomenon :3
It describes, in general, the discrimination a minority experiences in a country. For instance in mine we have a minority of Roma people, that don't get the benefit of "majority immunity" and get frisked by police more often, people are clutching their purses more tightly, in stores they are monitored more closely, they aren't getting hired when they have certain surnames... And that is regardless of their "integration".
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will trigger you till you learn <3
@Medvedec buddy the fact you keep typing long ass paragraphs says otherwise 😂 you need to learn how to convey your thoughts into smaller sentences bud because I’m not reading all that.
@meggo to be honest, what you just said is factually wrong. I agree, that you will face more racism as a black person, except for the internet. But saying you’re less likely to get shot etc is statistically proven to be wrong.
@ArtofAngels a term like a gun can be MISUSED without anything being faulty wrong or bad with the term or the gun itself. The assertion that misuse of the term - even terrible misuse leading to great even tragic harm reflects on the value of the term itself is a faulty argument.
@J M they were responding negatively to a (really old) comment I made in which I told someone off for suggesting it's proper to treat all black people as criminals.
@Heather Petersen waitvi bn minute! I think im on your side! Sorru if i added confusion 😆 i think youte the one patiently fighting the good fight..right? Absolutely commend and support your positions and efforts - i just want stumbled on this today 😂
I'm wanting help, is anyone here a professional who can point me in the right direction? I'm in fear of my life and not sure what to do. It's a long complicated story but I know I'm innocent and others are guilty. My 2 therapists believe me as do my family and 2 close friends, a 3rd is skeptical. Please help me someone
I'm wanting help, is anyone here a professional who can point me in the right direction? I'm in fear of my life and not sure what to do. It's a long complicated story but I know I'm innocent and others are guilty. My 2 therapists believe me as do my family and 2 close friends, a 3rd is skeptical. Please help me someone
The fact that the “detective” walked in and immediately said “I won’t ask if you did it, cause I know you did” is literally the worst move on Earth. He is literally saying he is guilty until proven innocent...
More than that, he's failing the first step of interrogation 101. Giving the suspect zero wiggle room means you're less likely to get any kind of confession.
@Shingi plenty of successful interrogations involve leading the guilty suspect to believe they could be innocent and have a chance at freedom, only to shock them with the charges to see how they react. being so forward with it truly is a failiure.
On the internet, it's all literally guilty until proven innocent every time and is by no means rare because everyone thinks they're the next sherlock holmes protagonist of the world.
@Jaan Ruus Holy crap.... how did these guys arrest a tall black man off a bus when the perp was a short white man??????????????????????? can anyone help me
that's the smear...they tell a lie and the media covers it and it becomes so-called fact they are all liars God bless the men who have been freed when the truth was told much love all-me
@i'm Sozin dunno man but you can never b sure abt racism im not saying it wasnt because of racism, but looking at how bad modern cops are trained it could be because something else who knows
Yerah, the donuts wont eat themselves. In US if you've been arrested and then later found not guilty, the arrest record stays with you for life and next time an official asks you if you've ever been arrested, you'd have to say yes.
Often times witnesses get basic descriptions like this wrong. Specially if they're the victim. So its not unheard of to still arrest someone in the general area as long as they match something or give a reason to be suspected.
I'm glad there were repercussions and Michael got some level of recompense but its pretty foul what happened to him. He gave an alibi, they should have looked into it as soon as humanly possible to either disprove his course of events or to recognise that they had the wrong person and start looking for the actual criminal. I don't know what I would do in that situation, but I do know I wouldn't ever want to go through it for the money he got let alone not knowing if I would be jailed for years like happened to the angry guy.
most of us have to PAY money to stay free, im fighting my SECOND false accusation, already found innocent once, luckily I moved out of that town already, I was targeted alot my homophobic cops cus me and my partner are like one of 2 LGBT couples in that town. if cops know/dislike you for any reason, you WILL be treated as guilty in every circumstance, 2 guys jumped me on my doorstep with weapons, I go to jail for defending myself. our system is totally corrupt, they know my family will pay money to keep me free because I'm innocent, so the lawyers make money, the jail makes money (45 dollars per day i was kept without being allowed to talk to a lawyer or make a call to my family, which was 4 days) and the court makes money, meanwhile, I eat ramen for dinner and now I avoid black people because i'm afraid if I get ASSAULTED again they will assume im racist or some shit, so basically the system has made me a bit racist. weird how that works
Meanwhile a guilty piece of trash got away with a 3 day (at least) head start, all because some incompetent "officers" couldn't be bothered to do some work.
This is one of the most horrifying videos i've ever watched, jesus. That officer interrogating micheal can't even string together a coherent sentence, and has an undeniably warped sense of morals. Seeing as 3 other officers were also punished for this, isn't this essentially a goddamn CONSPIRACY to falsely imprison someone? No way they're all that incompetent, I can't believe they were only demoted. Infuriating to put it lightly
@Geralt of rivia approves this message They were able to feed their kids. They have decent jobs already They got greedy and wanted more, and were willing to step on someone less powerful to get there.
@Geralt of rivia approves this message children can be fed without falsely imprisoning black people for crimes they clearly didn't commit when all evidence points to a person of a different build, height, and race just because someone existed in a space.
@Nom The white man was NOT pulled off the street despite not matching the description! He was literally personally by name and picture falsely accused by an ex friends girlfriend!
Unfortunately he seemed to know what was going on. Never want to betrayed as the “angry” black man. He knew they made up the evidence for his reaction, and when the interrogator didn’t get the reaction he wanted he got more and more cruel. This man is absolutely amazing for not cracking under the pressure and falling into their trap
Demoted and suspended without pay... Oh the horror, what punishment for almost destroying a man's life. Fired, no pension cause that's what they all care about the most. 46K is an insult Disgusting what they can and are allowed to get away with.
I mean it's better than what would have happened to a cop in the US. If it was here they'd get a paid 2 week vacation and a party when they came back. Edit: Oh...and the person accused would get nothing. Or maybe a bill for the food they gave them in jail.
@Bruce Wayne For him it was probably very traumatizing and I bet he would rather trade the money for a life where this had never happened to him. Imagine your sense of safety and justice being stripped away like that. I can imagine you carry away some serious mental health issues from an incident like this, even if it was only 3 days. The following civil lawsuit probably took a long time too and such a thing can be really exhausting. More important than the money is that justice was served in the end so he has a chance at getting closure.
@Bruce Wayne It impacted his job and reputation plus the mental anguish of being wrongfully targeted (and this is clearly racial discrimination) and minus the lawyer fees. It wasn't enough.
@wizardjokes no it didn't impact his job or reputation. He was released with no pending investigation. Which means he already won his case before he even walked in a court room. He new he was getting a payday upon his release. Dont talk wet.
Robert Mustain if it was him being accused of sexual assault I’d agree with you but since it was just theft or something I don’t think his rep will be tarnished. It depends on the crime. But I know what you mean. I got insubordination for pretending to faint during a Cbrn tasking where students were learning how to handle that scenario but because I wasn’t told to faint the guy in charge of the course lost his shit and wrote a horrible report to my CoC about how I can’t follow orders. Some of the staff and I were joking around and they told me everyone has already passed the course and if I fainted to cause a scenario they wouldnt care and it’d be funny, so I did. But it went all the way to the RSM and they tried to charge me. When my warrant told asked me what actually happened I told them and we laughed it off and I barely got in trouble at all because it wasn’t really a big deal. I didn’t feel any different around my co workers for that, we all thought it was stupid. So him not even actually doing ANYthing at all I don’t think his co workers or friend circles would give a shit. However, if it was sexual assault or just assault it’d be different
Unlawfully detained, arrested, charged and sent to cells. It shouldn't be that easy to lock a person up..it should be the hardest thing to do. Considering the guy had a rock solid proof he didn't do it and they wouldn't even listen to him..
@Bruce Wayne Yeah, I'd take that deal without hesitation whatsoever! And given the situation people, it's not hard to KNOW that you're gonna walk. He was on a bus and walked through a terminal. They both have cameras. The guy was bored for three days and walked away with 46k! Boom!
@Bruce Wayne Three days om prison seems not as bad in the retrospect, but three days in prison while your relatives dont know where you are? Three days in prison not knowing you ever get out? Three days in prison carefully trying to be invisible so you dont end up in a fight or anything that will make you stay there even more? All that while knowing you are innocent? Thas quite different story.
@hanbanaroda He wasn't in prison. He was in lock up.. My man, 46k! How much you wanna bet the guy smiled when he got the message from his lawyer? He lost his mind, guaranteed! He was ballin without stallin! And still is to this day.........TO THIS DAY!!!
Bruce Thomas Wayne their analysis of their own experience? Real easy to talk about the situation when you aren’t a part of it. Plenty of people are wrongfully imprisoned so just because there’s evidence out there proving he didn’t do it, isn’t a guarantee of being freed. He said he told them right away while he was on the ground being arrested to go talk to someone at the bus terminal which clearly they didn’t do. They didn’t even pay attention to the description they were given of a suspect. When you’ve already been arrested for a crime you know you didn’t do, it’s a little hard to have much confidence in the system in that moment. It ended up being 3 days for this guy but it could’ve been weeks, months, or even years. 46k for a few days in jail looks nice when you know you’re getting out after 3 days. Not being convicted also doesn’t mean the charges disappear in most situations. You’d have to go through the process of expungement in most situations even if the case were dismissed. It harms your life in a lot more ways. Of course 3 days isn’t as bad as wrongful imprisonment for decades but it definitely fucked with this guy a lot, as it would with anyone being arrested and accused of a serious crime and being given information that makes no sense to you at all. I’m sure he would’ve happily given up that 46k (minus lawyer fees) to be able to go back in time and have none of this happen.
Just a reminder to never "answer a few questions", "cooperate" or "clear some things up". DEMAND a lawyer. Always. There is NO information you can give the police that will help your case that you couldn't have discussed with your lawyer first. If you have concrete evidence that you are innocent, then great. Talk to your lawyer about it, and then let your lawyer talk to the cops. Everything the cops do is designed to prove that you are guilty, not to determine your innocence.
Yes it is. Having been in the position to "Answer some questions" before, this is the truth. They will use tricks of wordplay, tricks of confidence, and their inherent position of authority to manipulate you in ways you don't even suspect until it's happening. They stand literally next to con men on the street.
Easier said than done. Unless you have a retainer on hand you can wait days or even weeks for representation. The entire time you will be in a cell waiting.
@User Name I agree, but they are still obligated to give you a lawyer. Waitingg in a cell for a lawyer is a lot more favorable than sitting in prison a few months later because you couldn't be quiet.
@GabrielReed They are. Just doesn't have a time frame. Thats by design. They want it to be horrible so you'll open your trap. In an interrogation you should be able to demand any evidence they claim to have. That would solve most of it.
This is a situation where no one really knows what they should do. Lawyers tell you not to talk to the police. But that guy could have spent WEEKS in jail if he hadn't established his alibi. The reason he only spent 3 days in jail is BECAUSE he talked to the police. When you are innocent, your immediate reaction is to tell everyone that you're innocent. If you do not have a lawyer on retainer, it can take a long time for someone on the OUTSIDE to find one for you. Regardless of what people think, the courts do not immediately set you up with a PD. If you have a job, they consider you financially able to provide a lawyer for yourself. Meanwhile, you sit in jail and the cop who thinks he has a slam dunk case does nothing. I guess the lesson is, always have a lawyer on retainer.
Im wondering, what if i have no money to pay for a lawyer, they can just give me one for free? And what if i indeed call a lawyer, if im found innocent can i ask the state to refund me what i pay for the lawyer?
Only good comment. Sad that a lot of people believe talking will ease the tension, talking doesn’t end with just talking for a lot of people. Some people just give in, don’t know how many in % wise but it’s a considerable amount regardless when we are talking about a innocent persons life any percentage is considerable.
@unusual username This was also almost 20 years ago. Since 2001, policing has been made worse. Police are to put it mildly, assholes. I would wager a large percentage of cops, upon hearing your alibi and believing it, would then take steps to make sure it was somehow made inadmissible in court. They're really fun like that.
We shouldn't need to have lawyers on retainer. The problem is there are too many lawyers, because there are too many laws. The justice system needs reform, and I know that sounds cliche now. I think a good first step would be to strike down all laws that have no victim. Wouldn't that be nice? Crimes would only be crimes if there was a material victim. Also, cops need to lose their immunity, carry their own insurance and be prosecuted for lying. Remember for every one guy that gets let off because he was innocent, there are thousands more who didn't. The justice system was not designed to find the truth, it was designed to get guilty verdicts.
The attitude that it is us who needs to adjust to this tyranny is a bad one.
Totally agree. I'm from the UK where you cannot be interviewed following arrest without being read your rights and offered a lawyer to be present. From this side of the Atlantic we find it hard to comprehend how people can be interviewed in this way. It is such an obvious fertile source of wrongful conviction.
You guys' justice system is atleast less worse than in India. Here, if they want a confession, they take you and physically torture you until you confess, even though it is against Indian law (who they do this to depends on that person's social standing. If you don't have any connections, your basically screwed if they take you to "interrogate")
@Garry the Rat hi, assuming you're in the UK a solicitor will be provided free of charge just refuse to answer questions and state you want a lawyer/solicitor and the government has to provide you with representation. Depending on the time of day or if it's a busy weekend, in my experience, you'll have to wait for a few of hours and sometimes overnight but very rarely more than 24 hours.
@911s73targa It's real easy to say what you would and would not do in that situation, when you are not IN that situation. I have had my run ins with the police, and I have a lawyer on retainer. And the reason that other cop did his job is BECAUSE that guy gave him information to check out. Don't forget that. My overall plan is never say anything, since I do have a lawyer, paid for and ready to go. But that is because I have the ways and means of dealing with it.
@Adam Dunn Yep, but that takes time. You have to realize you're still in jail while all this is going on. If that's what your lawyer tells you to do then do it.
@unusual username Untrue, he would have the opportunity to speak to a lawyer as soon a possible , far sooner than 3 days, it was 3 days because they have 3 days to formally file charges against you and the judge has to accept there is probable cause for a case, it's called the 72 hour rule, you can look it up. Lastly, you are automatically assigned a public defender regardless of how much money you make. They will later determine if you make too much money, if you do, they will ask you if you want a private lawyer, or agree to pay the public defender a specified rate. With that being said, never speak to the cops regardless of how innocent you are... video evidence proving you're innocent, don't try to convince the cops, provide your lawyer with the info. If you want to take yourself to financial mastery level, buy umbrella insurance, falsely arrested? it'll pay all your costs. Not many people know umbrella insurance exists and it's relatively cheap, few hundred bucks a year. It's that extra liability coverage people with money buy because they always get sued by someone trying to take their money; but it does cover false arrests and imprisonment and a bunch of other stuff. $1 million in extra protection. If you own a business including self employed, it's a tax write off -- not much of a write off since it's so cheap, but a write-off nonetheless.
Yes but as soon as you do, you will look guilty to them. That's the sad part.
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@GabrielReed waiting in a cell for representation sounds easy until you're there with none of your meds, withdrawling from them, nurse doesn't get in for days to "approve them" and won't approve most, being treated like a junkie off the street cause that's what they're used to. Days feel like weeks. Weeks feel like years. This happened to me. I was eventually released but waiting around for representation can make you want to test your luck with the officers (I didn't). That's how they design it. Its unfortunate and why any new cases should be reviewed that day or the next if possible by law. They make enough to accomplish it. The fact that this happens so often should mean a lot of lawsuits against the state but they get away with it every day.
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@Ritesh Yeddu they torture you here as well. Put hoods over disabled peoples faces and strap them to a gurney then continuously pepper spray them, essentially suffocating them. All because one officer claimed the man spat on him. Those ends don't justify the means. There's video proof of this incident and many more.
Some detectives are also highly trained in psychological torture to break you down. Another incident (West Memphis Three), Jesse Miskellie - one of the 3 teens arrested, who was mentally slow with an IQ of 72 and not understanding what was happening, was interrogated for 13 hrs with no break being knocked down, threatened, having ideas planted, false promises made for confession, no food. They put words in his mouth and said "if this is what happened this will all be over" and he "confessed". All the actual evidence pointed away from the 3 teens and pointed towards one of the victims fathers who was associated with who? That police department. They will do anything to divert attention and pin it on whoever needed. And make no mistake, with only 6 wks training, there are a LOT of dirty cops. The West Memphis Three were released a few years ago using a very rare appeal tactic. After serving over 13 years in prison, one on death row. If they were guilty, they should have been denied but they weren't so the judge who took over let them go. It was a tar-baby at that point, no one wanted to deal with it. No one else was charged after their release and the victims (3 young boys) will probably never get true justice, sadly.
@Miss Misfits yep, but the moment they arrest you not only do they think you’re guilty, they will use everything against you to secure a win and show they are not wasting tax payer money. Your best option is to not speak to them and look guilty while speaking to a lawyer.
And admission of guilt speeds up promotion. What does falsely and wrongfully accusing someone do? More often than not, not a dang thing. I’m glad in this case they were demoted. This video was very impressive and extremely detailed. I usually am great at observing people’s actions based on how they feel but this guy goes deep into it and makes it very easy to understand. 100/10 thanks for the content
That’s cause it’s not that easy to fire someone if they falsely accuse, as it is giving a promotion to that who carries the questioning. It is normally a team or a group of professionals which investigate and so they can’t just kick them all out
i would totaly compress 40 naps in 3 days and eat 2 balony sandwiches, one pbnj were the penut butter and jelly come in sauce packets were jelly is spelled jellly and is really just some weird thin shugar sauce while drinking coolade that comes in a giant bag with a skull and crossbones that states "do not drink" and have 10% of my sperm murdered with each sip for 46000$
@Dana they gave the man 45000 for being falsely arrested all that happened was he spent a few nights in jail, what i wrote was what those few nights would consist of lol i did a bid of time yall probably wouldnt understant unless youve been in the pen haha
@rls725 Also, one guy had no evidence against him and the other has a victim he had an indirect connection to picking him out of a line-up. Edit, also, I thought it was Canada, not Australia, but I might be misremembering that detail from a different video.
Everyone's talking about the first guy but don't forget the second guy. You could tell he regretted his crimes when he was younger and was working really hard for a better life. The other guy was only in for 3 days and he was in for 2 whole years.
He was in jail for 2 years for a crime he did commit in the past. The narrator said spent "3 years in prison" then was corrected with the 2 years in county jail Just figured I would clarify
@Tito Dick You don't see the point? Oh dear.... quite obvious really.... You got trouble with comprehension? It's OK. Here, let me elucidate (oops, that means explain). Canada=ostensibly better justice US=ostensibly worse justice Oh dear... sorry... did it again.... "Ostensibly" means "apparently, according to the evidence we just had presented to us (in the video) if that is taken to be true and representative" Yep, that about covers it. I know... it's complicated. Any questions you just let me know. Happy to be of service (that means "glad to help") :/
There was another man who was in prison for, I think, 15 years because the police were racist. They knew who the real criminals were but because they were white, they defended them. If it weren’t for a singer who wrote a song about him, the case would have probably not been brought up again and he would have had to stay in prison for much longer.
@The Mudpit after reading all that shit I could only imagine how sad your life is. Then I got a glimpse into it from that god awful video on your channel. God bless your soul
I felt so bad for him. I'm really happy he could work hard, and have a good enough relationship with his mum to live with her. He seems like a good guy and it was sad to see how much stress he was under. That woman who lied and accused him, along with anyone else who lies like that, is an absolute monster.
@ElectricShinn he was in jail for 2 years for a crime he did commit, but then after this false accusation he was put again in jail for 2 years before he was exonerated. watch again; the narrator says the suspect does not know he is about to be put in jail for two years.
Just goes to show regardless of whatever "rehabilitation" or "debt to society" that's paid, you will always be a lower class citizen and the burden of proof is against you
@Tito Dick Just because someone played mindcraft and decided to do a video on it 6 years ago? :P It doesn't reflect what is going on in someone's life now.
@stale weed So your saying what he posted 6 years ago reflects what he posted a week ago. Really doesn't make sense since things a person goes through in their life during those 6 years would maybe change a person?
@Tito Dick it's a joke dude. I'm amazed it bothered you so much you actually investigated me lol. Making a personal attack like that in response to a hyperbolic ribbing is, I venture, "sadder" than whatever you imagine my life is like.
@LadyDefi I think their investigating me for making an over the top joke about their obviouisly loaded question was a weird response, so I understand your objection, and it wasn't a minecraft video just fyi, it was a video about teaching methods in education that made use of minecraft as a visual aid. It was really fun to make (and got me an A, not sure why lol). I leave it up because someone studying pedagogies might find it useful.
@The Mudpit well zero people found it funny so maybe you should work on your material. and I also see your other replies in this thread so I don't actually think it was a joke; I think you are just trying to save face. all of your other comments are equally insufferable, so I think that is just the way you type.
I’ve been in and out of jail for drugs and dumb shit since I was 15. Now, I’m a late 20-something software salesman and make a good living. The last place in the world I ever want to be is near a cop. They’ll take one look at my record and throw me the slammer. That’s why I’m either at work or at home.
@Tito Dick Tito, if my silly answer to your loaded question upset you, I am sorry. It wasn't meant as anything more than a sarcastic bit of banter. A bit of over the top silliness. Somehow it upset you enough to visit my channel. I didn't think anyone would take such dripping sarcasm as a serious thing, and it wasn't my intent to be hurtful, it really wasn't, so if it did upset you I apologize.
@The Mudpit all good, now you see that being uppity doesn’t get you too far. But honestly I’m glad you made such a fool of yourself, otherwise this would’ve been a boring thread. No hard feelings on my end.
@River Wolf I know who you're talking about, the boxer who was nicknamed hurricane. Bob Dylan wrote the song if I'm not mistaken. Unfortunately he's back in prison in another incredibly strange case, he was accused of assaulting a reporter that was interviewing him I think
Yes that’s it. And also. What the frick frack?! People need got get their lives together of they think doing such a thing is okay. Especially since he had already been falsely accused and put in jail for so long. That a song was needed for him to be set free and now they are at it again without a real expansion. Humans. sigh I can’t understand them.
@The Mudpit I had no idea someone could be so insufferable. Also the Canadian man was both the wrong height and race with regards to the police call so maybe not the system as a whole but at least the Canadian police authority is not “ostensibly better” than that of America
They are trick questions. All you have to do is answer one or two questions that seem innocent, and now they have the "evidence" and the "confession" to charge you with the crime. They will ask you a series of questions that are similar, with harmless answers, and then they twist your words to fit the motive.
I even seen one where they called the owner of a burnt vehicle with a body inside of it (which turned out to be her friend she lent the car to) and asked her if she knew where her car was so she responds like any other person would “is it damaged? Do I need to come pick it up?” Cops say no, hang up but as soon as they hang up they all start saying shit like “she’s very fishy she only asked about her car and not if her friend was burnt to death” how THE FUCK is someone supposed to suspect their friend was burnt in the car they lent to them 💀 some of these cops man I swear lol
you know she didnt. statistically when women do the same crime as a man, they get 1/3 of the time as the man. you dont hear femin ists complain about that inequality
you can be almost certain she did a fraction of the time he did. watched a video like this earlier, girl accuses guy of rape falsely - guy goes to jail for a whole year wrongly imprisoned. Girl gets caught lying, ,does 35 days. Almost a TWELVTH of the time. Fucking bullshit.
Sadly, lying in court is rarely punished, even if it is obvious or proven. Usually, it just means the testimony is dismissed and the jury isn’t legally allowed to factor it into their decision. Man, if I had my way everyone who was caught lying in court would serve the sentence they were pushing for the accused. That would be sweet justice indeed. If you cant convict someone with the truth and the truth alone you have no real justice.
It usually depends on the states punishment for lying under oath. More Eastern states I've noticed are more harsh with lying under oath (with exceptions). The state I live in will give the accuser double the sentence the defendant received.
He’s probably making a good amount of money off these videos as it is, so there’s no need to potentially lose quality so he can make more, I’d much rather continue to watch on YouTube
@Heidi E They already did! They turned "The american murder" (the Chris Watts story) into an almost unwatchable sob opera. They should have just aired JCS version of the same material from over a year ago, it is infinitely better.
@Ziquafty Nny You mean from the $1-per-month subscriptions that he actually discontinued a while ago? I have no idea how he actually makes money but for this quality content he deserves every penny.
Same man, I dont know this man but I fucking love his grace under fire and I LOVE that he was compensated for such a distressing situation. I love that the investigators who disregarded facts and lied to the man were punished. Absolutely brilliant.
@A hip to the hop would you be shocked if it was tho? Exactly my point. Many cases happen in the US and Canada where crimes go on the innocent for their complexion. Sorry if that triggered you.
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A hip to the hop2021-09-17 19:28:10 (edited 2021-09-17 19:30:04 )
@J P So you’re saying USA’s crime cases are the worst? There’s a lot more worse crime cases than USA. 😂.
Your “point” is invalid because it doesn’t even correlate to the actual video.
This guy gave a huge respect to the investigator who falsely accused him and who painted a not too bright future for him. Karma worked nicely this time.
No, "karma" DIDN"T really work nicely this time! The Canadian taxpayers are out $46,000. I'm not denying that Michael deserved it, only that the money could have been better spent elsewhere and Michael would have been spared a lot of grief had he just requested an attorney IMMEDIATELY!!!! Forget how you think it "looks," folks. ESPECIALLY if you're innocent, request a lawyer! The state has to provide one at no expense to you. DON'T let them try to convince you that it'll take too long or will be an "inconvenience" if, after all, you're innocent, quack, quack, quack. Once those handcuffs go on, you're in the belly of the beast. The authorities have every reason to convince themselves that you're guilty. Get an advocate!
Toomas Ounapuu I still remember his name My first lawyer Always ask for lawyer Sorry about rant This remind when i first got in trouble BIKERS GET PROFILE DAILY AT WEDDIN & BAR MITZVAH,no one cares They drive by laugh & call them white WHATEVER supreme,those man have rites,just like anyone else should not be harass at funerals.do you see forfeiture at hoyas or bougainvillea society haus,clubs for olde ladies?
@Prickly Pear should you seek legal counsel? Yes absolutely however, if you really consider the number of taxpayers within Canada, $46,000 is practically pennies in comparison to what our taxes go towards overall, especially comparing it to what taxes cover in regards to the criminal justice system (without taking into consideration wrongful convictions). "The money could've been better spent elsewhere" is quite frankly a laughable statement in the context of your comment, as even WITH representation Michael would have likely been charged either way and would have still been in custody for a period of time. Meaning he would've received compensation regardless. Counsel or not, if tunnel vision exists within an investigation the person who is accused will not be exonerated without further investigation into evidence.
@Prickly Pear 46K of your taxpayer money buys you like 3m of highway in the better case, or new jacuzzi of some greedy politician in the worst one, chill out a bit
@ESS Lol sure, lets use that logic. Uhhhhh why dont those road workers just build all the new roads and do everything they are suppose to??? There is many factors why investigators dont just start reviewing every criminal case. Some factors include: Time, Money, Inefficiency, Short supply, Unnecessary, etc. Take for example money: hiring an investigator to look into a case takes alot of money, which many incarcerated people obviously cant pay, and if they could they would have already done that.
@Ben Kutenets I’m not even reading your entire reply it’s simply not worth it. Not arguing logic either. Just making clear the point of knogface’s original comment. Why is that so hard to understand. It was a simple statement. No logic of whether people will do right or wrong. Just a statement of what should happen. Not saying it will happen. Your just trying to argue about something that no one is even going against or trying to contradict.
@Deez what? I'm continuing on what the original commenter said by repeating what the detectives said, but using "gay" (as @wedge did) instead of robbery and assault charges.
@Leviathan lol I'm dying at the fact that someone IMMEDIATELY took it out of context... and also your calm response... which according to this video means... YOU A DAMN LIAR!!!!
I had this actually happen. While driving, I was stabbed at a T intersection stop sign. A guy had been following me until I was forced to stop. He got out of his car and ran up to my open window, stabbing me. I hit the gas to get away, hoping i wouldn't drive into the cars on the highway. I didn't know I had been stabbed 3 times until a few minutes later. I drove to the ER at the nearest hospital, where a short, round, short haired, female cop was on duty. She asked me what happened and I told her a guy was following my car and I couldn't shake him, culminating in my stabbing at the stop sign. She said "Were you drag racing with him?" I told her I wasn't racing the guy. She said "OK. Where did the drag race start?" I told her that I didn't know the guy was following me at first, and I wasn't drag racing. She said "OK. During the drag race, did you communicate with gestures, verbally, or otherwise?" I told her I didn't see the guy until I was stabbed. I wasn't drag racing. His car was behind me regardless of my speed. He wouldn't have seen or heard anything from me since I was driving and he was behind me. She said "OK. Do you think your attacker was angry about losing the drag race?" I told her THERE WAS NO DRAG RACE.
The headline for the news article about the stabbing was... "LOCAL TEEN STABBED IN DRAG RACE." The truth can be stranger than fiction.
@CNN Blackmail Support Holy shit I bet he was pissed that he ate your dust in that drag race Jk, I completely believe you, wow that is even more surreal than the video footage here. I hope you're doing alright now. What a shit show to be put through.
That's why you counter with the McDaniel strategy and just start saying "I don't know" except with that twist that instead of looking in the detectives eye's you look at his crotch.
@David David a lot of people have went through far worse than what Michael went through and got no compensation in the end. I have no idea how it’s even possible it’s bs to say the least.
It's almost like we should accept that a suspension and demotion is an adequate price to pay for a) blatantly not doing your job and b) trying to fix up some innocent person to lose his liberty and everything that goes with that. They should have been fired, arrested and charged themselves.
Nah, jobs should have been lost. The fact that one cop insisted they were right even after the case, when literally they could have just READ the notes to conclude it's the wrong guy. I would understand wanting to investigate further, but REALLY?
While some of the responses here are a bit outrageous (execution? wtf), I think that the average person would agree that "demoted and suspended without pay" is the bare minimum that should be expected for holding someone for 3 days with less than zero evidence. I just wish these sorts of standards (or higher) were upheld everywhere.
The justice system is a profession after all. But if you didn't pay or pay enough to the people working as cops, investigators, etc, even those who want to see justice made and help make it happen would have a hard time doing so: investigations take time and I mean a lot of time, you're looking at no free time since you'd have to work another job to be able to sustain yourself and your family if you have one. Thus people become cops and whatnot because at the end of the day it's just another job there is.
@Rip Kobe im not saying they get paid little, you clearly missed the entire point of my comment. What I'm saying is it's a job that pays, and thus it won't be fulfilled only by people who try to enforce justice.
Really makes you wonder about the amount of coerced confessions that have led to convictions and prison time. It's also a huge argument against capital punishment as a whole. Estimates say about 1% or 20k prisoners in the US are falsely convicted. 1% failure rate doesn't seem like much, but when people's lives are at stake it's a different story.
@DiegoDaBonkinator How much pay is enough pay? Cause despite the legitimacy behind the excuse, this can be applied to any position. Sales clerks, restaurant staff, etc... it's not really a valid deference/justification.
@GreyException alright, you seem to be making the same mistake as the first person who replied to me. I'm not saying they get paid little. I'm saying they get paid a salary, like any other job or profession, and they can get promoted to a better position, with a better salary, again like any othet job or profession. At the end of the day it's a job. Not all cops are going to be always looking for the truth and to enforce justice, some will just be looking to get paid. And if you took away said pay or diminished it, it wouldn't only get rid of those looking for money, those who genuinely wish to enforce justice would have a hard time doing so since they'd have to sustain themselves first. Meaning they'd either have to sacrifice their lifestyle to accomodate for a lower salary (which isn't very realistic), look for a 2nd job or simply quit being a cop.
Take for example firemen. Here in Spain they get paid a handsome amount (or so I've heard), but in my country of origin, Peru, they don't get paid at all. All firemen in Peru are volunteers that use 2nd hand gear, with burn marks and such. They don't get any compensation despite risking their lives, apart from their personal satisfaction (which doesn't feed them or their families).
@GreyException To talk about your actual reply though (because I believe I got carried away), I believe those that have jobs that directly influence people's safety on a high level (what I mean is jobs like cops, firemen, doctors though these don't really have to worry about money) should have a stable salary. I'm not aware of how much cops are paid on your country for example. And about exactly how much, I honestly don't know. I believe that whether they get paid too much or too little it would be a problem, but I don't really know what these amounts would be since it is very complicated. You could easily say "just give them enough money to survive", but that wouldn't be fair if it happened to most people, cops included, since it's a job that requires previous studies.
@DiegoDaBonkinator I'm not understanding what point you were trying to establish though.
"The justice system is a profession after all. But if you didn't pay or pay enough to the people working as cops, investigators, etc, even those who want to see justice made and help make it happen would have a hard time doing so."
Basically you said, "if you didn't pay (which makes no sense to me, because who works for free?) or pay enough to the people working as _ then even people who are good, would have a hard time being good.
It's not that we made a mistake interpreting you, it's that you don't have a coherent or clear point to make. Based on what you initially said, that type of reasoning can be applied to any field and any position, from grocery stocker to, teachers, to senior home nurses. "I'm not getting paid enough for the work I'm doing, why bother being good". And if that's the case you're trying to make, well then just say that you want socialism?
@GreyException after reading my first comment again I do believe it doesn't make much sense. While writing the very first sentence I thought I could be told that a possible solution would be to lower their pay so that it's not a job people take for money, but after thinking it through, that question wouldn't make much sense either, or at least I feel like it wouldn't, so the whole of my first comment, minus the first sentence, is pointless.
To elaborate on said first sentence, a cop is ideally someone who does their best to enforce justice and see that those who break the law are put behind bars. However, a doctor is ideally someone who has the desire to improve or even save their patients' lives, they will try their best to help their patients and sometimes, when the situation calls for it, save their lives. And yet, there's many doctors who became doctors because of the pay. Now, I'm not saying a cop's pay is anywhere near as attractive as a doctor's, and neither am I saying that doctors who chose their job for the money will always do a bad job and won't care about their patients. What I'm saying is, that just like there are doctors whose main reason for choosing their job is money, there are also cops with the same reason. One obvious example is the first cop on this video. As the original uploader heavily implied, the reason he wanted to force the "suspect" to confess is because getting a confession with no evidence is a surefire way to get a promotion, which means more money.
Now, you could also argue that he was just racist, having a bad day, week, whatever, or just plain stupid, and I wouldn't be able to refute any of those claims as I personally do not know him.
"How are you gonna prove to me that you didn't do this?" I don't gotta prove shit, you're the one who has to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that i did anything whatsoever.
"innocent until proven guilty",it's just a saying,doesn't mean shit,if it does,then why innocent people end up in prison? It's more like "innocent until guilty enough I guess"
@Italian Spiderman Especially since a lot of innocent people with overworked public defendants will rather take a deal and falsely admit their guilt because they are afraid of full blast sentence.
@Artyom you’re dealing with humans that run that system. Granted more often than not the guilty party is the one caught, convicted, and sentenced but I’ll be goddamned if Id sit idle while I left my freedom up to others. There are just too many morons out there, some likely to be detectives, district attorneys, judges, etc..
@clad95150 how about the innocent guy in the same fucking video that didnt do anything that went to jail for 2 years? how many more people you think go down the same road that the truth never comes out about? open your eyes and think
@Alexander Erickson under the US (and any anglo-saxxon style law system) , Kubomi is right. There are jail types that allow "storing" the person for a certain amount of time (mostly protective - the case of mentaly ill people, collusion jail - to prevent the suspect from influencing the witnesses and destroying/falsifying the evidence and "safeguarding" - dunno if thats the proper term but it literally is this case, suspect is detained until he/she has allibi/other evidence checked - the cases of previously sentenced people) , but you need a court order for that (and its problematic to get even during the felony investigations). The case of "safeguarding" jail is, that (according to my knowledge) it is not possible to be longer than 24 hours in normal cases - any prolongation is supervised by district attorney and should be awarded only if the case is of felony-type.
@Alexander Erickson depends on the country but at the very least in the uk and usa it is innocent until proven guilty, thats why the title of the vidio is what it is. Its meant to show cracks in the system
@Mister No Nonsense Except you just showed how it is guilty until proven innocent in practice. You should not have the burden of proving your innocence. It should be completely on the police and prosecutors to prove you are guilty. No badgering, detaining, deals, lying, etc. Trust me I've had personal experiences with police willingly lying so they can close a case.
With the case with Michael, he wasnt sentenced, he was detained pending further investigation, then exonerated his statement was examined and further investigated.
The thing with Justin is they had witnesses against him. Liars of course, but still witnesses who could place him at the scene. Those two liars should've ended up serving twice the time he did.
@Mister No Nonsense Are you actually complaining thag people were spared by the justice system because there was no evidence for a crime? Do you want a police state?
@Alexander Erickson The burden of proof lies with the claimant. It is in the nature of things, that he who denies a fact is not bound to prove it. The burden of proof lies upon him who affirms, not on him who denies. The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him. Upon the one alleging, not upon him denying, rests the duty of proving. Upon the plaintiff rests the proving – the burden of proof. The necessity of proving lies with him who makes the charge.
@KewlCrayon An accidental further investigation - unrelated to his case. The bad actors in Michael's case should have been fired at the very least, been given jail time at most.
@Alexander Erickson That is literally a foundational principal of law in America. The idea that all are treated equally before law and that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The writers of the founding documents believed it was better for a criminal to be set free than for an innocent person to be falsely accused and sent to prison. Evidence? Yeah ALL OF THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF THIS COUNTRY. All the personal writings of the founders.
@gixxxer1k the man was not arrested, he was held in prison for question and trial. If he was let out at Home, he could easily get away if he is guilty.
@Italian Spiderman The problem with that is that you CAN be "proven" guilty FALSELY. It is literally why your right to remain silent and right to a lawyer is 100% recommended for every situation. Sure, when you see some of those popular channels about homicides and serial killers, you see that the ones asking for a lawyer are told by the police "are you sure you want to do that? That'll go on record" or shit along those lines to basically shit-test you into panicking or second-guessing yourself. In those cases, it's often that the police ALREADY have significant evidence, and are really just shitting on you to make sure you stumble easily into their traps.
Anyway, I digress, you must often plead the 5th and not say ANYTHING because, as the cops themselves say when they arrest you, "anything you say CAN and WILL be held against you in the court of law".
If the universe puts you in the wrong place and time, all you have to do is starting saying shit and say something COMPLETELY normal and even ACCIDENTAL, but it will incriminate you because it JUST might validate their potential evidence against you even if you are innocent.
It's hard to explain, but basically if you think you're being falsely accused, you MUST stay silent. It is not uncommon for people to say somethign completely innocent and have it held against them
It's hard to go that route when you're just snatched out of your everyday routine and don't want to sit in jail for days/weeks/months until then. I can't imagine how many more innocent ppl would be sentenced if they didn't profess their innocence.
@mipspc Nope, it's the same in Canada as well. Are you American? It always seems to be Americans that assume basic human rights are somehow unique to their country.
@-- disaggree . The penalty part of the law is not to only deal out justice but to set an example of deterrence (in a timely manner, lol. You know 20-30 years on death row).
@Perry I can also say that i an literally a hippo, does that mean its true? Come on, dude... maybe you have zero experience with the law as you make it seem, but you cant be so naive that you actually think thats how it works, can you?
@I. K And i agree with you, but we got US boyscouts here claiming that our justice system is without flaw. People that have no knowledge or experience on the subject
@Mister No Nonsense I mean how people are so convinced that others are guilty, and places the burden of proving innocent on the alleged perpetrator, rather than treating them as innocent until guilty.
@Alexander Erickson Prove it... show me the maxims of law that say the burden of proof lies with the accused. The only time you're right is when the ignorant hand over their rights and contract with the corrupt. Are you a cop? Your father? Or just ignorant?
@Alexander Erickson Your lack of proof says you're wrong. If you are correct you should be able to provide a conclusive argument to back up your statement. You provided none therefore I must assume you are living in fantasy world of your own creation.
Joe He was incompetent, lazy, and still hoping for an easy win: getting a confession. He was trying to steamroller an innocent man. His incompetence and laziness showed right from the start when he said he wanted to get a sense of Michael, whether this was the first crime Michael had done or if he was a career criminal. Let me explain what this means: THE INVESTIGATOR STARTED THE INTERVIEW ADMITTING HE HADNT EVEN CHECKED IF MICHAEL HAD A CRIMINAL RECORD. (Sorry, I thought that merited all caps.) Then he said there were witnesses that had identified Michael but never mentioned a line up (or other method). This should be a tip off that 1) witnesses had not identified Michael, 2) the detective hadn’t spoken with any witnesses.
If the investigator had no evidence, but merely a strong suspicion, he should have released Michael. If evidence was discovered proving Michael’s guilt, they could rearrest him. It happens all the time (and should happen more often if all police acted as professionally as they should). You bring in your “person-of-interest” for questioning, as you’re investigating. If they don’t
Absolutely insane… I was wrongfully detained on an assault charge, and was extremely terrified and frantic. I am so extremely impressed by this guy’s restraint. Every time I tried to reason and wasn’t believed my panic increased, this guy just kept his 100% cool.
The fact the detective feels the need to keep reassuring him he's going to do his job and look into despite the fact he never challenges him is a huge giveaway for me too. Especially considering it contradicts his whole "there's no question of if your guilty we know you did it"
That language is meant to pressure people into confessing which makes prosecuting easier. They often know their case is weak, but will scare people into confessing. It also unfortunately has the effect o having people confess even if they're innocent because they think there is no hope left.
Yeah maybe investigators shouldn’t play that card unless they have enough reason to believe the suspect is guilty. This dude literally had no reason! Wtf was his problem
@Poobs Probably over thinking it. Cops picked up someone, and then the detective didn't even bother reviewing the evidence and then tried to pressure them into a confession to solve the case.
@Poobs no doubt he was investigated, but probably turned up nothing. Maybe he was very careful in covering his tracks. Being a cop would give one an advantage in covering up their own crimes especially if said crimes were of a calculated nature. Hopefully, the fact that he was demoted and suspended without pay got him to clean up his act, be it legally or professionally.
I dated a guy who called the officer on his bluff about "I don't need to talk to you, I know you did it!"
My ex replied "Great, then you don't need me to say anything except I want a lawyer,"
They gave him all kinds of hell, but they couldn't pin anything on him because he didn't do it. He still gives those officers shit every chance he gets, and his new girlfriend does too.
@Poobs I think if we’re questioning the cop’s motives here, it’s more likely that the cop was just racist, straight up. Literally nothing was on the guy, but he was still convinced he was guilty, and I know a fair share of people who are convinced blank people are way more likely to do crime. Bias is a strong thing. Also, our criminal justice system, in general, doesn’t have a good track record when it comes to this stuff anyway lol.
In Australia, a young girl was abducted (Karmein Chan) The police and media called on the public to point the finger and nominate a suspect. 27'000 men were named (including myself) Of these 73 were charged with an offence (not connected to the case) 73 in 27'000 works out to 1 man charged per 370 men named.
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John Shepard2021-05-30 07:20:51 (edited 2021-05-30 07:21:16 )
That interrogator was pathetic, glad to hear he got demoted after that miserable conduct.
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tee kanyel2021-09-30 08:54:22 (edited 2021-10-28 04:47:17 )
Michael would've honestly made a better detective than the one interviewing him.
True. He told them to talk to a bus driver, check their video footage, and provided an alibi. The Hamilton police braintrust collectively took 3 more days to think of and do any of that.
@Megan Allen I am sure a lot of dirty cops can provide emotional support to him. 100% he thinks it was not his fault. Probably (mis)handled people like Michael dozens of times.
Props to Michael for being calm right there. If it was me I would have lost my cool and went "What? A cop that's trying to put someone in jail for a crime doesn't get anything from this? You're saying you gain nothing from doing your job, in your mind, successfully?"
@ihazdaforks yeah I just got to that part actually. My point still stands though. Guess I see why BLM is an international movement. Police are treated the same in every 1st world country
saying "if you did it or not, why did you do it?" would confuse the suspect, and they could accidentally admit something considering two different things contradict each other which would be confusing enough to trick a dumbass into admitting the crime they did
That interrogator tried to make himself sound like some skilled detective when in reality, he was extremely incompetent! The dumbest cop I've ever seen!
Dixon is acting like someone who's never been in trouble and assumes that if they didn't do it, the police will figure it out. The other dude is acting like someone who's dealt with cops before.
Via Twitter and YouTube JCS community channel, YouTube has flagged both videos for spreading "violence" and "sensitive events." Yes, YouTube is taking them down.
They don't care about that the way you think they do so give it a break. They just want to bust somebody, anybody, and if you polite nice dude like this guy it makes their evening that much more pleasant. Bigger the bust the bigger the boost but any bust will suffice.
cops are liars, you need to know that going in, they are trained in professional deception, I have two brothers retired PD and Sherrif, and I've personally seen this rodeo
@Change s They said at the end of the video that interrogator and 3 other officers were demoted without pay after the accused was proven innocent beyond a doubt.
Made me mad just watching them ignore what evidence they had simply to try and boosts their own egos, they should have been fired.
@Chris Monetti but surely.... if they want to bust somebody, they should actually go for actual SUSPECTS. not innocent people. sounds counter-intuitive.
@Shane Bolger its weird because the officers arrested a tall black man even though the caller specifically said a short white man, it's so obvious that they arrested that wrong person that any rational person would think that the cops did it on purpose.
@Chris Monetti It's important to note that not only did the man receive $46K in punitive damages in civil court, but the 3 officers involved were demoted and suspended without pay.
Fun fact - the time the Zodiac Killer was the closest to being caught, people had seen him shoot a car's driver in broad daylight in a populated area, and witnesses gave a decently detailed description, most notably that he was a white man. At some point down the line, though, dispatch decided to say the suspect was black, and some of the first cops to arrive at the scene remembered someone matching the actual description acting suspicious and ducking out of sight when he saw the cops, but they ignored him cuz they thought the perp was black
ppl i said sad to say at the start of my first statement not because of personal reasons but fact that most cops who get into problems in the us are white . If it was asian spanish black i would say so same i said the truth above . How many colored and or asian cops do i see start or have any problems ... BASICALLY NONE .
@Chris Monetti which is why we should occasionally purge the policing system of bad elements. Using extreme violence and brutality of course. Got to keep the pigs afraid and in line.
The black guy is calm and forgiving to the officer obvious intent because he know that an un armed black man. To an officer is the same as a fully equipped special force ninja black black belt. ( something mystical & Dangerous)
"The suspect was exonerated and awarded 46 000$, THe interrogating officer was demoted and suspended without pay" Love that they ended the video with this, that has got to be the most satisfying line ever to hear after watching the full video
Except for how demoting and being suspended without pay is getting off pretty light for going forward without evidence like that. They should have been fired.
@Josh Garner fired is pretty light , he should sit in the same damn cell the wrongfully imprisoned had to sit in for double the time , so he could maybe understand what putting someone behind bars actually does to them
@Noah Kniffin What @indiapale means is that @Julius Munguia is responding to the 1st comment of the original one, which is by @Ayden Sereda - 'Until u realize the guy who served 2 years got nothing', who is referring to the example given in the video about the ginger man who was professing his innocence in a louder, more passionate and 'extroverted' way, who according to the video was in prison for 2 years even though he was innocent and got nothing as retribution for his wrongful incarceration whereas the man who was the main focus of the video was kept in jail for a few days and got a lot of money. I'm not sure if that ginger man was in fact in the US but it sounded like it. Hope I've cleared it up for you
Now imagine you have a prosecutor who covers up for bad cops and jury pool of richer upper class white old retirees that are Republicans and law and order folks. You are always guilty until you are proven innocent, which is long after you have rotted in prison.
@P W Police force gets gravels thrown at them and are disrespected in every kind of way possible but stay calm. For every case of police over reactiv there is much more cases of demonstrators injuring and disrespecting police and getting out of it with nothing. A few days ago a woman threatened the police with an assault rifle for several minutes after she was "disarmed" peacefuly instead of shooting at her. You can say whatever you want but French Police is among the most respectful one you can find. Go "peacefuly" demonstrate in the US or in China and see what happens :)
Sadly in the vast majority of cases where people are falsely accused by officers, they end up having their lives ruined, lose huge amounts of time rotting in a jail cell and receive no compensation for it whatsoever, while the officers who unlawfully arrested them face no consequences of any form
@Genoxe You're free to believe whatever helps you sleep at night. For your information: French police was put under heavy criticism by the UN and by the European Court for Human Rights.
@Ayden Sereda well... this is undoubtedly because the department in question was afraid of being accused of racist intentions, so they informed the public of the penalty given to reprimand the investigators who fid this to him. They were looking for a promotion. They clearly did not care about the definitive innocence of the suspect. If i had to say so myself, they could have chosen Michael for the reason that they did not care about ruining his life. They were racist and he was black.
Sorry about rambling, and I know it might seem like I might be saying this just because it’s cool to be “woke”. However, this is really and truly just what I believe about the situation.
@Rya J The comment on the jury are kinda unneeded tbh anyone can be fooled by the other components of the situation you mentioned regardless of race, age, or political party.
@SpicyTee The real point is that it doesn't actually matter if it was because of racism or not; this type of behavior of falsely accusing innocent people should be punished and not rewarded.
Doesn't matter who does it or who it happens to, nor does it matter why it was done. It isn't a good thing.
I'm glad... freaking hell I'm ashamed to have an officer like that in Canada. No room for that bullshit. It's one thing for a cop to play it heavy handed leading the suspect to believe that he has more than he does... but this guy is straight out just laying it on thick basically threatening the guy when he literally has no reason to believe that he did it.
@GeeWee You say that without knowledge that other justice systems are just as corrupt; an example being Japan's justice system in that it's true that there is a very small amount of people they wrongly imprison, but the small amount who do will probably never get out because of their systems' general unwillingness to admit wrongdoing
Demotion and a suspension are waaaay less than they deserved. They had a description of a short white man and they arrest, ignore, and charge a tall black man. It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to not fuck that up. None of them should ever have "detective" in their job description again.
Sure, it could have been the detective that was racist. However, that is not the real conflict I was discussing. The reality is that the PD clearly saw that they would be chastised by the public for the incompetence of their staff. They reacted by giving a compensation to the victim. I just thought that it was completely obnoxious, however, that the falsely accused man was given nothing after spending an undeserved 2 years in prison. Maybe this was racial, maybe it wasn’t. There could have been a different perspective of the story. It could’ve been that they hoped the public would simply forgive the detective’s utter incompetence. But make no mistake. I am not suggesting that there was “black privilege” in this case. This is just a consideration of the possibility that this was racially motivated.
@Ayden Sereda he would have received at minimum $100,000 for being falsely imprisoned for 2 years. The state pays you $140 per day falsely imprisoned once you get released. Not nearly enough for loosing 2 years of your life but he still got at least something.
Yony, thanks for mentioning spoiler alert. I didn’t think you would change it. It wasn’t your mistake tho. It’s obv that comments would be related to video. Thanks and sorry. You’re good
“Yeah sorry buddy, unfortunately I’m from down unda, and you’re facked mate. We don’t tolerate that breakin in biznass in Australia and I’m not allowin it’ere either.”
When you see your name in all capital letters it means you are doing commercial law. And in commercial law, everything stated is true unless evidence is given to its untruthfulness. Meaning you ARE guilty until you rebut it with evidence that you are not.
Robert Campbell2021-05-29 18:18:19 (edited 2021-05-30 15:20:41 )
"Picked him out of a 12 person lineup..." I have personal experience that's completely meaningless, and possibly rigged by cops. My mother was involved (witness) in a non violent bank robbery, and while doing a photo lineup, the police literally pointed at a specific picture, said "could it have been this one?" Then when my mother said it was obviously possible for it to be any of the pictures since she didn't get a good look at the guy, the cops said "I'm going to put down that you said yes."
@Kyle Vernon She was involved because she wasn't really a witness either. She didn't even know the bank was robbed until after it was over. She didn't even know who robbed the bank until the cops told her it was the man like 1 or 2 spots ahead of her. I wouldn't really even call that a witness.
@Kyle Vernon 1.) look up psychological priming. You have issues with that. 2.)Then look up Dunning Kruger effect. You're on the wrong end of it. And lastly the reason you won't actually do either and learn from it is read 1 and 2.
@Kyle Vernon Just a side note, "projection" comment aside, recognize how aggressively you approached this and lashed without even taking the time to actually review what brought that level of passion up. You may have some things to look over, this wasn't appropriately handled at any stage.
@Kyle Vernon In reference to the topic, your passions were inflamed. The delivery of justice, as it were. You were too eager, I'm not lamenting justice, but your product in having attempted to serve it. You were wrong about a tiny detail, and that's all it took to make great words for good causes a terrible misstep. It's funny, really. I just wish irony weren't so strange all the time.
@Kyle Vernon well actually a burglary is when you enter somewhere without permission and commit a felony, and a robbery is when you take something from someone forcefully or by threat like the bank ROBBER used, when a weapon is involved it’s called armed robbery, a weapon has nothing to do with it being a burglary or robbery, a weapon would make it aggravated/armed which makes it a worser charge
I was in an incident many many moons ago, before the 'makeshift' line up was due my solicitor asked me if i had a lucky number, i told what my number was. Months later in the 'makeshift' lineup in the police station, There was about 8-10 of us ,but it just didnt feel right in there. Cops were asking if everything was ok, i said no summins not right and the lad next to me said there was a weak spot-light pointing straight at me. I said to the Police about it and asked em to move it off me they said they couldn't it was fixed or summin along those line. the lad next to me pulled up a desk/table jumped up on it, pulled his sleeve over his hand and hit it out of the way. The lad who was supposed to pick me out didn't have a fucking clue. Don't fucking trust your solicitor who is supposed to be on your side. Months later it got threw out of court , lack of evidence.
@Kyle Vernon when you punch someone in the face you get charged with assault right? if you swing a baseball hat over their head it makes it aggravated assault because you were using a weapon, which is a felony and much worse than assault
@Kyle Vernon just like that dude robbed the bank, he didn’t burglarize it, and because he wasn’t using a weapon it’s not armed robbery, it’s just a robbery, the weapon would just make it armed which is much worse
@Kyle Vernon i guess another way to put it would be- robbing someone is stripping them of their possessions, or in the case of a bank robbing the teller, burglary is entering somewhere and taking something, you’re not robbing anyone, you’re burglarizing their property
@Kyle Vernon I don't support the BLM movement. While I agree with the basic principal of it, the riots caused a great deal of harm to people who had done no harm themselves.
I also feel that singling out a particular ethnicity as the victims of police misconduct is counter-producive to the real issue.
My point was, that police officers do shoot unarmed individuals, and individuals who are not behaving threateningly towards them, more often than is acceptable.
@Kyle Vernon i’m just blown away at the fact that you think having a weapon makes it a robbery, it doesn’t at all, having a weapon makes it aggravated/armed
@Blama no a theft is a whole different charge😂, just like a burglary😂, a robbery, a theft, a burglary, and trespassing, are all completely DIFFERENT things
@Kyle Vernon so back to your original comment, how does not having a weapon make a robbery a burglary? and having a weapon somehow instantly makes a burglary a robbery?
@Kyle Vernon when you are burglarizing you get charged with burglary, having a weapon does 100% effect the case i know from experience i’m a convicted felon i’ve been charged with aggravated burglary, if a gun is not involved it makes it a burglary which is not a felony or near as bad, having a weapon makes it aggravated which very much does matter in court
In psychology class we watched a video of a mock bank robbery and had to pick the robber out of a line-up. Barely anyone picked the right guy. Line-ups aren’t very useful.
@Kyle Vernon imagine being this stubborn. you could literally just have ignored it after everyone rightfully bashed you lmao, but you just had to come back and embarrass yourself more
@Robert Campbell I can't believe this person is trying to act like you were at fault. They clearly did not read beyond the first sentence because there is a 0% chance they could mistake her for anything other than a witness after the first sentence. Regardless of any confusion the first sentence may initially cause.
@Kyle Vernon Saying that pointing at the photo doesn't matter. Especially given that the person's mother didn't say "Yes it was that person," but said, "Well, I didn't get a good look. So I can't rule that person out. I agree Dunning-Kruger is not involved here. But your first point makes absolutely no sense.
I really wanna know what happened here but I can tell by the fact that this Kyle Vernon guy deleted all his messages that he realized he fucked up. Good job guys
They just want to get further with the case within a small time frame and that’s so scary honestly especially if you have the ‘stereotypical looks of a bad guy’
@3AM Anxiety Kyle basically said the main commenters mom was the bank robber😂 then continued to say it was a burglary because it was a “non violent robbery” and supposedly “having a weapon would instantly make it a robbery”😂😂
'Involved' in a bank robbery is vague and if you primed the reader with 'picked him out of a 12 person lineup.' the first thought would be that she was part of the line up. Not to mention the video focuses on alleged criminals.
You do bring up that she was doing the picking at the end, so if we read the entire thing we'll know she was the witness. But it wasn't the most straightforward writing ever and I can understand if someone was skimming or a non native speaker they would be confused. This comment thread needs to calm down.
@Lucy well we was only attacking Kyle because he came back with a hostile comment about his mom being the suspect and called him dumb and etc., and then topped off his comment with calling a non violent robbery a “burglary”, we was just giving him back the same energy
@Lucy You'll notice that there were no comments directed toward the first person in the thread who thought that, because they were generally friendly about it. Kyle came in extremely rudely, calling names and talking about JUSTICE!!!!! When it was explained afterwards, he doubled down on the whole thing rather than just move on.
@Robert Campbell I deleted my comments because people kept coming to other parts of YouTube especially my account and harassing me. Now that I’ve deleted it, you people are still spread lies about me and they’re still harassing me. Not once did I call you dumb or anyone else a rude name.
I never “doubled down” that your mom was the suspect, I recognized my mistake. All I said that maybe you shouldn’t have worded it that way. The only doubling down I did was explaining to the other guy there was no such thing as a non violent robbery because a robbery requires the threat of violence which causes psychological harm. He didn’t even know the difference of Aggravated vs Armed Robbery. Not once did I say a Burglary was just a non violent robbery. You’re just trying to put words in my mouth. I said burglaries can become robberies simply by bringing a gun and having the threat of violence against someone. That’s literally true and you can look it up.
You’re going to harass me anyways so I’d rather it be here than you psychos going to my channel.
@Oeilerspraann I didn’t realize I “fucked up”, people were harassing me that’s all. Unfortunately after deleting the comments, people felt more inclined to seek me out especially on my channel. So it’s better to keep the harassment contained to this thread than to spread to other places.
Robert Campbell2021-05-30 18:30:09 (edited 2021-05-30 18:30:58 )
@Kyle Vernon Hi Kyle, so a couple things. One, You were given back the energy you put out. When your initial comment was aggressive and insulting after you clearly didn't read the entire post, that was the energy you got back. You continued in that vein, regardless of whether you were right or wrong in your points, being aggressive and insulting. Two, I added the clarification after a couple more people brought up the possible confusion in a far more friendly and respectful manner, while they acknowledged that simply reading beyond the first sentence would make it obvious what the post was referring to. One even wondered if English might not be your first language. That said, people shouldn't be following you to your channel to pile on. So hopefully that stops.
@Robert Campbell Okay I know my original comment was somewhat “aggressive” on the sense of passion, but I didn’t call anyone names or anything. I wasn’t insulting. It wasn’t a Hot Take.
All I said is that “if your mother did the crime, then it would be an injustice if anyone else but her was picked in the lineup. Justice was served! Also, there’s no such thing as a non-violent robbery, the threat of violence is just as psychologically harmful”. So, assuming she was the actual criminal, then it wouldn’t be that bad. What’s bad is not reading the rest of your paragraph and I admitted that.
An equal response would be someone saying I got it wrong(ps - a lot of people got it wrong, at least 100 people liked the first comment in this thread)not people insulting me and some of them harassing me on my channel.
Also if I were to remember, any swear words I used were next to adjectives/verbs not next to people, because they were not insults they were emphasis.
@Kyle Vernon Well we both know that isn't exactly what you said, and that certainly wasn't the amount of capitalization or punctuation you used. Maybe that's how you remember it, but it's not accurate. Still, I'm done with it so all good on my end.
I went through exactly what these guys did. I was arrested and charged with a crime I absolutely did not commit and the cops claimed to have me on video committing the crime. I was taken to the county jail even though I professed my innocence over and over and was. Then after two days in they came and let me out and told me the charges had been dropped. I never got a lawyer after but now I think I should have sued them!
Never speak to the police right after your arrest. This should be broadcasted at the end of every episode. Demand a lawyer, plead the fifth. Doesn't matter if your %1000 innocent.
Not the 5th (US at least). U plead the 6th… to have a lawyer present for any and all questions. The 5th merely invokes your right to remain silent. And sometimes that can be brought up in front of a jury by prosecutors because a lot of idiots have the mentality of “if u are innocent, u would answer questions”. The beauty of claiming your 6th Amendment right is no prosecutor can claim to a jury u didn’t want to answer questions. All u said was u wanted a lawyer present for any questions.
Silence is absolutely golden. If you have the willpower and fortitude to power through every nasty thing they throw at you with "I would like a lawyer", the burden of proof lies on them and them alone.
I feel he should’ve gotten more than $46,000 and I also feel those involved in the case should have been fired. Either way, glad he was paid and there was disciplinary action taken.
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Rob C.2022-01-29 00:40:03 (edited 2022-01-29 00:40:33 )
Im sure being demoted for those power hungry pricks hurts a lot.
I think $46,000 is reasonable for a week in a cell. I mean, I know I'd be down for that, that's a lot of money lmao Then again, a week of not knowing whether or not you're gonna be wrongfully imprisoned is a bit different
Incredible composure of that man, up against a lying and completely inadequate interrogator. That false video claim was the work of an idiot. The failed logic, to someone who knew he was innocent, meant he knew from that point he was being handled by an idiot. The compo' he received was also far short of what he should have received.
One thing that makes my blood boil is injustice. This also includes a miscarriage of justice. I've just reached the 2nd video regarding Justin, and this man better not be jailed for 2 years or I'm going to throw something! It just makes me that angry.
"The interrogating officer and three other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay." Damn phucking right, but they should be fired and charged for something.
I can't help but admire the calmness and politeness of Michael. He is even thinking about the consequences of not showing up at work the following day.
I get more nervous in way more trivial situations and he keeps his composure in such a nerve wrecking moment.
I think what's really interesting is, for me, it makes intuitive sense for guilty parties to be hostile and innocent parties to be co-operative. Guilty parties don't want to be found guilty, so would perhaps resort to intimidation and feigned moral outrage to attempt to defend themselves, and innocent parties might think "hey, I'll just co-operate, I'm sure the police will find me innocent, let's not antagonise them so I don't in fact look guilty."
It's interesting that the opposite is true. Innocent parties are not concerned with what the cops will think of them in the first place. On account of them being innocent, they may not really know why the police are interested in talking to them - maybe it's something routine, maybe it's some sort of mistake, whatever. When suddenly confronted with the possibility of years in prison, rationality and temperament may (entirely justifiably) go right out of the window., and how the officers might perceive them isn't something that enters their thought process. They're too busy digesting that sharp shock to the system.
The guilty already know why they are in the interrogation room to begin with, so the cogs start turning. "How do I make myself look like a good, honest, God-fearing citizen? How do I make them believe I'm a nice person who'd never do such a thing?" So they concoct a story. They present a facade.
Couldn’t they have saved a whole lot of time and saved this poor innocent man from having to go through the process of being questioned for two hours had the police just asked the bus driver or someone else on the bus to verify he was on the bus while the jewellery store was being robbed?
So surreal watching this cause I went through almost the EXACT same thing. A vehicle was set on fire and I was arrested jailed and interrogated for 3 days. It wasnt until half way through day two before I even knew what it was I appearently did. Either way, I reacted almost IDENTICALLY to him, but boy was it ever scary
So good to hear about the demotion. As punishment for lying, they should be put in jail. Let's find who this investigator is and make his life a living hell.
The problem with the words “Guilty until proven innocent” is that there is a lot of innocent men in Prison that were given a very unfair and bias trial.
How exactly was the police department intending to prove the case against him? Did he eat the jewelry! ...probably the most ridiculous circumstantial evidence laden case. And yet there is a judge out there who would have been happy to convict.
Michael was described just like me and he reacts precisely how I'd probably act in the situation if I were caught off guard with an arrest like he was.
"This detective has either forgotten standard procedure or FOR SOME REASON has decided to reject it all together"... gosh and golly, i wonder what reason that could be!
The climax of this video is a massive release. I can't be the only one who felt that. Knowing the dude is innocent, and that cop making shit up to try and get him to confess, then hearing the aftermath. I've had HJ's that weren't that good.
I’ll never understand why suspects agree to voluntarily talk innocent or not. After you’re told you can leave anytime they should always vehemently deny deny deny, and proceed to walk out. This thought process of if I show up and agree to talk will make me seem innocent is horseshit.
I'm a total "law and order, pro police" kinda guy.... BUT..... When cops do this kind of crap, they really should be fired. They have no business being cops.
What a calm and collected gentleman, didnt for once get belligerent, well deserves that money and those lying pos investigators should of been fired immediately
I was confronted by police on my parents front porch at the age of 16. They told me they knew it was me because they had a witness that saw me go in the direction of the crime on the date of the crime. I realised it was my 14 yo neighbor because he had stole my Offspring cassette tape. And my dad told the police that he found him in our house when he arrived home one day. They ran off to his house.
$46.000 out of taxpayers pocket 😒 That POS dirty cop should have to pay it from his OWN savings! Bet he would have done a better, honest job going forward.
Lmao it is always SO funny to me your ending of just “the officers were demoted and suspended without pay” video ends like it’s just like YEAH BUDS YOU FUCKED UP
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John Kakuk2021-12-29 18:34:45 (edited 2021-12-29 18:35:01 )
A lady here in the U.S. was just awarded $2M for being wrongly hassled by Walmart for allegedly shoplifting $40 worth of groceries. This guy gets worked over by the cops for three days and gets only $46k? 😤
If a person is wrongfully in prisoner, everyone, from the interrogators to the arresting officers, should lose their jobs and be jailed for the same amount of time.
Remember, if you are EVER brought in by the police, get a lawyer. Say NOTHING! You don’t know if your the suspect. You don’t know if you’ll make one stupid mistake. You don’t know if the officer will lie that you said something else. The officer can use your demeanor while communicating against. Officers don’t serve, they arrest. Plead the fifth, get a lawyer. If they are serious or have anything against you, you just saved your life a jail sentence. If they aren’t, they’ll leave you be. You can only win by not talking.
Imagine how much he pissed the investigator off when he was like hey man .. are you bluffing.. cause like.. if you have me on camera why tf are we still sitting here lolz😂
Atleast michael's story had a good turn i believe compensation should be even more for a traumatic experience of facing years in jail over a crime you didnt commit.
i feel like no one is talking about how differently this is handled with a white man and a black man. a black man is taught how to act around police whereas white men have the privilege to act however they please
coming from someone who lives in the city the Hamilton police are INCOMPETENT. And will try and openly accuse people for the stupidest of things (tried accusing me of theft for returning lost passports to the police station) thats some pretty pathetic low levels of fishing so was pretty interesting seeing them mentioned in this video.. and the fact the incident was from almost 20 years ago so shows nothing has changed
The cops wrongfully imprisoned me in Alaska, stripped me naked, and let everyone look at me. One of the prisoners there, felt bad and covered my nakedness. He was thrown the floor to teach the others a lesson. The cops are InCharge and no one else. What can I do about the humiliation they put me through? I proved my innocents, and I now hurt, mind and body. I have arthritis in the joints I slept on naked on the concrete floor.
I was accused of breaking my ex's car window and they kept claiming it was on video. I just kept asking to see the video. Guess what was never produced?
What is the criteria to become a cop anyways? A "C" average and a little man complex that you're going to symbolically stick it to everyone that belittled you in high school because you deliberately sought a job to be in a power position with very little accountability? I'm Canadian and I'd like to imagine it's better here but it seems it's not at all.
HOLY ****, the perpetrators were demoted and suspended without pay? That could never happen in the US. How do you do it? What is it about your system that makes it possible for there to be limits to omertà? Here, it's unimaginable that any cop would ever do anything that could contribute to another cop getting punished for official malfeasance.
Getting a confession without evidence = promotion. Want to succeed? Simply circumvent the concept of Justice. Why has this practice not been deincentivized?
Hey everyone - did for some of you recent uploaded videos of this channel disappear? This one is the latest now for me .. There was the "Christmas with Cliff" video for example.. thats gone too 🤔
I’m not sure if I’d be able to keep myself together after all the gaslighting. Far too often in past relationships the men i dated made me feel like had gone crazy, saying I did stuff I never did nor say, tell me that everyone agrees with him, all that crap. I literally break down every time thinking that I’ve lost my mind and did horrible things and that what I’m thinking isn’t ever true
The worst that's ever happened to me was when I found out that my crush turned out to be a lesbian and started dating another woman. Thank goodness I never pursued a relationship in the first place eh?
@Saif Ullah Khan and they run off and spew more lies and tell everyone how horrible you are lmao its actually insane my ex told her family that i was physically abusing her which is the complete opposite.
@Saif Ullah Khan I want to try to, I’m a 20 year old girl, and one of my exes would do “it” to me while I was sleeping until I would wake up. Made me realize that that’s not okay after I ended things
@billy bob YES! My ex went around saying that I was crazy and cheated on him then was spreading rumors that I would hit him! They do literally everything in their power to have control over you. I don’t let them anymore, I showed all the proof that I was innocent and then let the words roll off my shoulders
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Saif Ullah Khan2022-01-22 14:53:24 (edited 2022-01-22 14:54:30 )
I see, I am going to stop replying now because to be honest I am not adding anything helpful in this thread whatsoever and probably wasting time for both of you to be honest. I am in no way in shape or form of being qualified enough to chat about this subject other than just say the things I have already said. Sorry for wasting time and I hope you 2 have a great life onwards
waisting time investigating a guy which is tall and black,the opposite of what was said by the witness,just to make a step ahead in their career.Imagine the alibi was not proven correct for this guy.I cannot imagine how many persons were charged like this and didnt know what to do and ended up in prison.
Learn these statements. 1. Is there any reason to believe a crime has been committed? 2. If so am I being detained? 3. Am I free to go? Say that on repeat until they let you go.
Try to upload your videos but do not list them, the community will quickly know how to search for them. I don't know if you can monetize them, nor would I know if this is a viable option.
I'm going to charge you tonight, however... (unfortunately..) I do have a duty to look for the truth and I will (I guess since I have to and at some point in the future, and after your already in a cell because I already decided it was you...)" investigate ".
YouTube, put this man's videos back up! There are videos on here of people eating live sea creatures, for god's sake, but you take down these vids? I've seen so much worse on here, over the years. Saw a man blow his brains out with a revolver on YouTube a few years ago. I could probably find it again, if I tried hard enough. The golden age is well and truly dead.
I really don't get why people even TALK to the cops. I want my laywer. I need water. I need the bathroom. that is it. the only words I would speak. I was once fired from a job because they accused me of breaking propoerty on my day off. I wasn't even on the propoerty the day it happend. The next day I went to work, they fired me, than had me sit down with their "laywer" who told me I had to pay them for the damages. I told this "laywer" the only way I would pay for any damages is if and when you file a police report and I am found guilty. So go ahead and file the report. They never did, I didn't pay a dime. Turned out later the head of security broke the propoerty and tried to pin it on me, he was fired a few months later for something else.
Not only does he deserve to be demoted he deserves to be fired and never serve as a police officer again.
And I think it's fair that he got $46000 for 3 days of being incarcerated those are 3 days he will never Get back because of the police officers.
So that's very fair. Although I wish he would have got a million dollars or more That is time he will never get back and my time is worth a lot money. And everyone should be valued highly.
guilty or innocent makes no difference when everyone is acting like he is the main man, big deal, bigger than you, tougher than you, the whole society's attitude is to hate each other and not give a shit what happens to the other person, rotten and disgusting place to try and live in.
The police don't lie cos they want to they have to it would be very difficult to solve many cases without lying and alot of people they talk to lie so it does give them that edge and the end justifies the means
His behaviour is not an anomaly to me, his behaviour is from a well educated black guy who has been brought up to be fearful of the police for good reasons like this.
@UnCreative Deconstructionism it actually is a game of poker. You have to tell the suspect you know but you have to hide your hand of cards so to speak.
@Simon As an awkward introvert myself, he was probably panicking inside and didn't think of it on the spot. Our minds instinctively go to "what do I have to do to prove this" instead of "what are YOU going to do to prove it"
Yeah, it is a game of poker. And Michael was far too agreeable on this point. I had something similar happen when I was 15. I was accused of hitting someone, unprovoked, in the chest while at my first haunted house. All the fellow employees of the guy were also claiming this, when none of them could have seen what happened. The reality was the guy startled me when I was inches away from him and I pushed him. The cops claimed he had a large red, swollen spot on his chest. I told them flat out that was not true and demanded they show me. In the end the cops believed me over him and his lying co-workers. Don’t be afraid to call someone’s bluff and lean on them when you know they’re lying.
Police are trained to bluff, this isnt bad on its own. But when they Incentivise "cooperation" or essentially claiming you did the crime in exchange for less jail time, they can get innocent people to incriminate themselves so they dont get a WORSE punishment. Police will say things like 'we'll help you' but make this conditional of copping to the crime.
Police are allowed to lie, and if they arrest an innocent person, nothing happens to them. Innocent people who tell the truth, but are accused of lying, get arrested. If on the other hand, they lie, and are caught lying, they are arrested. It's a lose-lose situation. Always remain silent.
I was in a situation where I was accused of writing an inappropriate letter to a female staff member-and at one point I was told that their "Handwriting expert said it was my writing." I laughed and told them "Your lying or that guy needs to be fired"-as I did not write that letter. "Cops" lie better than a professionally installed carpet.
I was once stopped as a rape suspect. I had no alibi. i had just finished college and had changed my appearance to look clean for a job, all of my college friends had spread like the wind and I couldn't provide the addresses of any friends, my car was packed and I was ready to leave the area permenently. Since I had just finished college I had been partying and didn't have any idea of what day of the week it was or where I was when. When I told the cop I had partying and last track of time he started asking me about how many drinks I had and got more suspicious. I was even beginning to believe I had a split personality and it could have been me and was trying to figure out if it was. I was put in a lineup - and when I wasn't identified I was let go.
@Ebon Kim they may be allowed to, but it doesnt change how horrific the results can be. It needs to change. Watch the documentary series “the confession tapes.” It should still be on netflix. Its utterly blood-chilling.
No, police are permitted to outright Lie in pursuit of a confession. They also can present just part of their evidence at Discovery and the rest must be pursued legally, in a Trial and a Trial is rare because everyone, including the lawyer for the defendant, wants the person arrested to Plea and have a Permanent Record.
It doesn't matter , if u are innocent there is nothing to hide and there is nothing to be afraid of (sure the fear of prison etc is present) but as long that the person is 100% innocent there is nothing for him personally to fear. As to investigators getting innocent ppl to incriminate themselves well i could only see 3 reasons as to how it can happen (1. the person is not innocent. 2. weak personality. 3. Guilty of an unrelated minor/ crime/offense.)
@Mohamed Hajry "weak personality" w/e the hell that means. Im sure in your mind, it warrants jail time.
How about fear of police incompetence and their hunger for conviction? Even if you did nothing wrong, you can still be sent to prison by a bunch of idiots. Dumb juries, cops who just want a conviction so they get promoted (dont care who did the crime) and if you are poor, good luck getting a lawyer who has any time to focus on your case.
Plenty of reason to be nervous around cops. They dont hire them for their intelligence and cool headed nature.
Do you know how many cases were thrown out and how many people were released when DNA finally busted onto the scene? That new form of solid evidence showed just how shoddy the legal system was at actually finding who did a crime. This video is not an isolated incident, in fact it's one of the rare lucky cases where the guy didnt end up going to jail for a crime he didnt commit.
The legal system has an overreliance on eye witness testimomy despite how demonstrably unreliable it was. Your legal system is not that sophisticated.
@Aidan Coutts Now that i understand clearly, but it's still the person's responsibility so that they don't end up there. If the governement doesn't supply you with a competent lawyer then there is a problem. I'm not touching the subject about the police here cause it has been already brought up that's why i was merely speaking about the individuals that find themselves in those situations.
You say fear of police incompetence? sure but if u are innocent AGAIN do you have to worry about the police being incompetent or should you instead focus on clearing yourself with a smart and proper way by learning your rights and laws? That way you will be able to dodge getting forced into prison even though you are innocent.
@Mohamed Hajry i would hope the police would know the law. Ya know? it being their job. If you force people to assume more responsibility than the literal government employees, what the hell are our tax dollars paying them for?
This victimblaming behaviour is why law enforcement has gotten away with being this inept for so godamn long.
@Mohamed Hajry you can't dodge police who are doing their best to pin a crime on you that you didn't commit. There are so many people falsely imprisoned out there who never stopped claiming their innocence, but cause judges and jury's tend to believe police, especially when the accused is a man, it's not that hard to get locked up for something you didn't do. So it's a very real fear for someone to panic at the thought they'll be locked up for something they didn't do, because it happens all the time. Even if you aren't convicted, you still lose a ton of your time to being jailed and questioned for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and just looking like what someonr else thinks a criminal looks like.
@Aidan Coutts I am by no means victimblaming, this world is that twisted for sure but do not tell me that the government just came out of nowhere and became a governement. Those problems you are bringing up originated from individual choices that resulted to what the system has become. Keep in mind i'm not even living in the US nor anywhere near it but i still agree with you on certain points but to me it seems like you are not grasping what i meant since my first comment. Which is individual responisibility.
@Mohamed Hajry that's what I meant by dodging the police. Cause as I see it, the police only care about putting someone behind bars and closing the case. So you have to dodge them and their shady tactics to dodge going into prison. Sorry I didn't clarify that better before.
@Gargon the Imperator No worries, i am well aware of what you meant but was unsure if you assumed something else. That is truly a difficult subject to silverline . I'm not gonna say oh that's not true or something within those lines.
Some investigators wanna close a case and get a promotion, some make mistakes which happens as often as the former and lastly just like you said before,some juries might even go with the cops but the full scope is not clear to the outsiders, we can't ignore the fact that the system is corrupt and f* up but the individual has to at least put in some effort in not ending up in prison or walking himself into it.
Ik what i'm saying is hard depending on the circumstances but that doesn't stop an innocent person from showing his innocence by confronting the layed out evidence even to some extent (forged evidence). Oh they found a gun in my house? okey does it have my fingerprints? and so on,ik what i just said might sound dumb but people have tendencies to get scared if they get provoked which can turn into slipups and those can and will and are used against the individual even if it's unrelated to the case as i did say in one of the comments earlier.
It's an individual responsibility, and i could only see an innocent person getting prosecuted for those 3 points that i formerly stated (1. the person is not innocent. 2. weak personality. 3. Guilty of an unrelated minor/ crime/offense.)
As to fixing the problem with promotions and the system well that's another story that needs to be dealt with all the way to it's roots but every individual has to come to an understanding of the situation and a common ground. As i see it,the US is somewhat split appart (meaning its people), when it comes to the ego oh f* everyone else i only know me (that kind of thing) i'm not generalizing here but it is true and the majority of the system's issues are originating from individual choices/consequences.
@Grass Geese funny how u just assume someone’s personality from his lack of experience? Well I’m all ears since I’m not a US citizen why don’t you enlighten me? instead you go for me personally instead of my opinion, instead of having a well articulated conversation and exchange opinions and information. No wonder shit is going south in the US. Is that how it works over there?
They bluffed with me and said I hit someone in the head between 20-30 times (I was blacked out drunk and it was on CCTV) they wouldn't show me the tape, they just wanted me to admit guilt. I accepted guilt but stood my ground that they were making up the number, surely they can count?
@Aidan Coutts was just thinking that recently. I hate when under the cops pull " there were 2 witnesses that spotted you during blah blah" like so what? How does that strengthen the case unless the witness has evidence of you being there? Anybody could just say they saw you. And it's stupid that it makes a case look more legit since witnesses don't even personally know you
@Karnacle Blackburn 5 kids, teenage boys, were all lied to. A white womab was raped, the police didn't know who did it. They grabbed 5 black boys who didnt know each other, and said each boy said the other did it and they had evidence. So they wrote false confessions because the police told them too, and they went to jail for years. Their story is told in "When They See Us" on Netflix in five episodes i think
@Lechiffresix six That is correct as the Bosses of the Department have quota and statistics to show that they are doing a good job. Also the reasons for poor investigation is more convictions means increase for the Department funding also to make the mayor and city council look like they are doing something other then embezzling public funding. "Democracy is five wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner."
They got my mom with this unfortunately. Our family was poor so we couldn't afford a lawyer and the idea of a long court case was frightening both due to the price and the lost work time, and it would be months before a public defender would be available. She took the plea deal and now has a felony on her record.
@Mohamed Hajry you are guilty until innocent is presumed. As a court of law decided the verdict. many many many people spend time in jail fighting bullshit charges i spent 3month myself in chains because of false allegations. you know what i got from the whole ordeal. fired from my job, became homeless and a ohh I'm sorry your free to go now. with zero compensation for my squandered time. but hey i learned how to make a net out of plastic. so i guess i got the last laugh. Be grateful you have not been on the wrong side of the tracks as if you have not been falsely accused of a crime doesn't mean it can not happen because i will tell you what it does. As how it works in the real world the police decide based on the information given at that moment and a judge or jury will decide of innocent or guilt. a friend of mine had a psycho girlfriend who one day decided to throw all his musical equipment in the rain becuase he would not watch tv with her and had to work. when he came home he called the police and once the offcers arrived she fliped the table on him miniuplated the police and stared crying and sayin he hit her and bla bla bla they took him for domestic while he spent 6 month in jail she trashed his rental and racked up his credit he lost everything and the day he got out had nothing. The legal system has major flaws. don't get me started on parley restraining orders. That shit is hella unconstitutional seen that ruin few peoples lives for no good reason.
@Buck_shot419 now that’s unfortunate, a compensation is a must in this case and even with a compensation it’s not enough. Even where I live you can be put in chains for a long while before ending up getting cleared, you would get a compensation (thankfully) but it’s still not enough for the emotional taxation and fear of your life getting ruined. Not that I personally got into that situation but I know people who’ve been there and still are. Some things may not be removed but at least improved to a certain degree. Edit: Quoting you “Guilty until proven innocent” or the opposite is absolute BS why? Because you cannot trust what a person says no matter if they are guilty or not until proven by facts. So assuming a person is guilty is absolutely retarded but that also goes for the assumption of a person being innocent. I hope you understand what I mean here and we both know that this world is filled with darkness, so hate or greed or whatever it may be overcomes the purity of life. I’m just speaking metaphorically here and not preaching.
@Grass Geese usually the lawyers are competent, but cannot dedicate any real time to their client. A paid lawyer can afford to focus on one case. A court appointed is not fighting with the same tools or preparation.
when the prosecutor knows they will lose the case in trial, they will overblow the sentence, and force the suspect to take a plea deal. Its so disgustingly corrupt.
I worked with Michael for a decade in the trade shows before COVID, crazy to see him on this video. He's super respectful, a hard worker, competent at his job and an overall good guy. The reason he specifically wants to phone his work to let them know he can't make it is because he would get suspended from work for a month for being a 'no show'. Just goes to show these kinds of things can happen to anyone.
Black guy simply doesn’t act out of anger because he knows if he does he may get more repercussions. He’s innocent to begin with so best thing is to try and stay clam..It’s based on personalityand privilege honestly.
@Bre it really is a personality diffrence Just like how the Analyst explained it. Both victims didnt know if they would get more repercussions or not. The white guy lost it while the Black guy stayed calm.
i react like the white guy when i get caught in a dumb but plausible lie... you and I, and sometimes even investigators, can't reliably read other people.
@lumberjack potato potata.. Whether you are brown or black you are still Black in society.. And their is no problem with that. I’m proud to be BLACK and I’m proud to be BROWN. Their is no Negative connotation when I call someone black until someone tries to make it that way themselves.
Im a white guy.I got questioned and charged for what one of my high school buddies did. I looked guilty as hell..lol My buddy finally confessed so they backed off. Got pulled over once when I was in my early 20s.The cop said "Son,why are you acting so nervous?" I said "Cause a cop just pulled me over." Now that im older I dont give a F.
@Bre the white man was a previous convict. If anything the brown dude is way more privlaged. You have it completely backwards. The white dude has alot more to lose by being convicted than the black guy. Which is why the white dude is more angry and worried. Has nothing to do with skin color
It was SO hard to watch that one! Because I was watching it then thinking like...ok if you're sitting in that chair then get angry because you're being accused of something you didn't do, like at some point if you get too angry they'll add more charges or something. Its like once you're in their hands there's literally nothing you can really do.
For years of my life, I was very introverted and didn't act like everyone else. I have never been a criminal though. That is why some of these videos scare me. I don't like the viewpoints of how innocent people "should" act. I imagine thousands of people have been wrongly convicted because they didn't act "the right way". It is scary. I am glad that I stay out of situations where I might be accused of some crap I didn't do.
@Bre privilege has nothing todo with it, they didn't believe either guy was innocent...if anything the black guy was treated better as the white one was handcuffed while the black one was not. So where is the privilege... the black guy was clear headed and got justice...he spent 3 days in jail for $46,000 settlement....if privilege was real why did they white guy not get a settlement.... people are treated unfairly everyday and many times a answer as to why is not found but rarely is it solely on their race, as the black guys claim respectful attitude is what set the tone of his experience and he did have complete control of that. If he had not gotten a settlement to justify what he had to experienced it would still be a long shot but given his experience did matter and that he was compassionate I think you need to think outside of what tge media has lied to you about why things happen in life.
I've come to the conclusion I can't tell if a person is lying. If they were to change their story, then yeah. But just from listening to them, I can't tell. If I was forced to make a guess about it, I'd say the bearded guy is aggressive enough to have committed aggressive crimes like burglary and assault.
People act differently from others based on their personalities. But the average reaction of an innocent person is getting frustrated and upset. But obviously not everyone is like that! And that can make an innocent person look guilty and interrogators go by what they see and how that looks based on assumption that they are guilty. The point of an interrogation is never to find whether you guilty or innocent, it’s to get a confession of guilt whether you did it or not. You’re fecked the second you enter that room.
Black guy who is smart. He is intelligent enough to know if he raises his voice to a corrupt cop, he will be charged with more injustice. He heard the stories. He knows of the injustices. This shouldnt be surprising that he cant act like the white guy. He cannot afford to act enraged. Those before him have been beaten and raped in jail and worse. By cops and by jailmates who cops ordered them to do so. This “justice” system is soooo f—-ed.
@BadlndsBob I understand that is scary, however it is logical they use indicators as well. If a certain response is given by guilty people 9/10 times, it is perfectly logical to use that knowledge. It shouldn't be evidence, but it can be used as an indicator if it is feasible to further investigate the possibillity they do have the perpetrator.
@d al like I said... privilege has ALOT to do with it. Sadly a lot of you guys don’t see that because YOUR privilege blinds those lines. Why argue about it? Because you know I’m right and you feel personally attacked?? Lmao
@Bre This situation between a lower class white dude and an upper class black dude? Yeah the upper class black dude absolutely has more privilege in the justice system, because he's upper class. He can afford bail, he can afford a good lawyer, he can afford to miss work, he likely has a clean record from living in an upper class area with lower crime. That's class privilege, there's more to privilege than just race. Just because a black dude doesn't have white privilege doesn't mean he has no privilege at all. Isn't that what intersectionality is all about in social justice? The concept that privilege is complex and not just high score point system?
What I dont understand is how did the bearded guy that acted the way innocents would act get imprisoned, but the guy that acted abnormally calm for a innocent got off clean? Doesnt that disprove your whole "I can read people"? Why even interrogate if you know the other details are priority, and not this confession under duress BS. Bearded guy was nervous for good reason, thinking ahead, and has been imprisoned before. None of that mattered, yet the interrogation and putting a nervous person under stress makes a person appear guilty, what a surprise.
@Johnfuse I don't care about the white guy or white people. You can call them whatever you want, beige, snow white, etc. It doesn't matter to me lol. :) As for the brown guy, he is clearly brown by color scale, he certainly doesn't talk like an average black guy, and as for facial and body features, I am not sure what is racial makeup is. However, he clearly looks mixed, hence why he is brown.
@Khajiit Hadwares The brown guy probably had a lot of people backing him up and demanding his exoneration. The snow white guy might have only had his mom. In addition, snow white had been to prison before, so that might have worked against his favor. Also, you have to consider that both subjects were booked in different legal systems.
@Bre you talk as if you have insider information on why a person acted the way they did based solely on your programed views of his skin color. However without his own testimony we truly don't know what he was thinking or why he decided to stay calm. However we can use facts we do know... fact he was innocent....fact he ended up with a settlement because of the situation we witnessed....what happened to him was wrong the only way to fix it since time machines are not available is to give him money to compassionate that. He got the money so he was not denied justice. So where is privilege he's not able to access....we see a white person was in the same position in the same video but was not given money for being wrongfully accused. Both of them ended up being found innocent and tge black guy walked away with money. So I agree the black guy had a cool collective personality and was more privileged tgen the white guy by walking away with money the white guy did not get.
@Sigismund the Black Knight that's if anyone acts out in anger when interacting with a armed police officer. Its not just black people its anyone who does such a dumb thing
@Lubu The white guy was facing significantly more time, given the assault claim and his prior stint in jail. The fear he exudes in the interview is palpable while the black dude was marvelously composed.
@Bre he had just got off the bus after finishing work, he knew deep down they had feck all on him ,so his actions were spot on ,the ginger guy not so much .
I don't get it though... the narrator said about Michael "every detail of his alibi was later been proven 100% accurate". Doesn't police check the alibis and the available security cameras before going into a interrogation with this much force and accusations? Are some of the policemen That horrifyingly incapable?
@Subtle Autism I say that so often, and I've never had a drink in my life... It takes effort for me to say it correctly. I thought this was America! LOL
@Alec Windmiller awwh you thought that was to change your mind. I’m just telling you you’re wrong no evidence supports that ridiculous claim. Turn off the news they’re lying to you.
Every one of these 6 cops who made the arrest should be fired. They obviously are not fit to serve as a cop. I'm sure candidates who are blind normally don't get accepted by the police academy. It's beyond me how they managed to pass the physical tests.
@Alec Windmiller they probably used a facepalm because the narrative that the system is racist takes an idiot to believe, it's kind of pointless to explain it to those people, but I'll try anyways. It was the police officers personality and traits that caused this, not the system itself. It was even mentioned it's standard practice to review the dispatch call, which this officer either did not do or ignored.
It's kind of like communism, good on paper bad in implementation. But then what do you do? Get rid of the police altogether?
@Mental Popcorn perfect description, although referring to the “system” i wasn’t remotely talking about law enforcement by the way if that was the confusion 😁
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British Wrath2020-10-29 16:58:19 (edited 2020-11-17 20:01:17 )
I had an ex girlfriend, when I left her, she made all sorts of false accusations against me, I remember sitting through an interview just like this, trying to profess my innocence, they were treating me like a complete scumbag.
I was held for 22 hours, moved back up to the other side of country in a seemingly deliberately uncomfortable van.
They took my finger prints, looked at me like was evil, woke me up continuously throughout the middle of the night in my cell, some weird humming noises were even played through a speaker into my cell, so I couldn't relax.
Nothing I said, no matter how logical would be listened to.
It's a really shit experience.
Even my parents didn't believe my innocence.
The only reason I got let go, is because she sent me text messages saying "I'll drop the charges if you come back to me etc*..."
Even then, after they let me go, and months, later I got a phone call from the police saying that all charges were dropped etc*, the guy on the phone, I could tell didn't believe that I was innocent and I had somehow coerced my ex into dropping the charges.
It's not right that someone can just claim your guilty of something and you get treated this way, but I don't know a solution to stopping this from happening to others.
The experience has given me a really negative view of authority figures.
Homegirl can be a witch until the cops come. Then all of a sudden she becomes the weeping victim. The cops will always go directly for the man. Always. In fact, there's a video on that too. The only thing that saved the man from being arrested was I witnesses and their video of her following him and beating him while he's trying to get away.
He took the beating and never laid a hand on her. Yet she was perfectly OK, with the cops arresting him for crime of abuse, which he never committed.
That sucks. My ex filed a restraining order after breakup with false accusations. Was granted because I didn’t have texts to defend myself as I deleted her off my phone to move on. I was treated guilty from the start, judge wouldn’t even listen to me.
Wow, your ex-girl is really crazyyyy..its evil behaviour. Its sick to think u take her back after going thru u went thru..but she thought that. She was hoping for that. Wtf, how sad and simple and evil can u be?
@LeviHB that is also the reason why I ( a woman ) get pissed everytime girls bring up the " white male priviledge/ patruarchy" thing. What evil patriarchy is that where you break a man and then blame him for breaking you? It's horrid.
@Lean That depends. The common way I've seen that used is that the police should believe all women and investigate the alleged crime. Not that we should automatically accept it as true.
Should police automatically believe that all victims of sexual assault are telling the truth? Of course and they should investigate it fully. Should police and courts automatically accept that it's true? No that should be based on the investigation.
Of course there are some insane people who think you should take their word entirely and just prosecute the other person. But I can find those insane people in any group. A group advocating for better treatment of men in custody cases? I could find an advocate that believes women should have no say in custody cases. A free speech group? I could find someone in that group who thinks it should only apply to them, or the other way around and thinks it should apply to even things like immediate calls of specific violence.
@LeviHB You said two opposing things in the same paragraph. “Police should believe all victims of sexual assault are telling the truth” and “Should the police and courts automatically accept that it’s true? No that should be based on the investigation.”
So let me get this straight. Police should believe all victims. But they should also not believe all victims...
@LeviHB Also the definition of belief is accepting that something is true. So in that first paragraph you are also saying “Police should believe all women but not accept that it is true.” Which could also be said “Police should accept that it is true but not believe” or it could also be said “Police should accept that it is true but should not accept that it is true.” Or “Police should believe all women but not believe all women” All four of those sentences mean exactly the same thing since all we are doing is switching the definition for the word.
Do you understand how absolutely psychotic that sounds?
@Rachel Dolezal What I mean is they shouldn't just assume she's lying without investigating. Believe them initially, investigate etc, then change your belief to be based on what the evidence is, then finally later on whatever the court decides. That's what I meant.
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The Table2020-11-14 11:59:01 (edited 2020-11-14 12:00:56 )
@LeviHB i support the idea, but i feel like the slogan is worded poorly, same goes with "defund the police" and "all cops are bastards"... though i believe that the initial idea behind "believe all women" was intrinsically related to "metoo", as in we shouldn't default to dismissing sexual assault allegations against celebrities especially if we like or respect said celebrities, instead we should give both sides equal credibility in their claims even if one party has more social status than the other... not sure that it was meant for regular joe shmoe people
Had a similar experience in a small town in Kahoka missouri, the cops fucking proceeded to harass and constantly arrest me telling me i had a warrant... They printed their shit in the news paper causing me to be run out of town no one would rent to me or hire me... I was homeless for years after that... They tried to destroy my life.
You SHOULD have a negative, mistrusting view of any authority figure, law enforcement wise. They are never your friend unless they have to be due to their duty. Their duty is to find anything they can get on you, true or false.
Well, my dad is a state trooper, even though I do understand there is corruption in law enforcement, I know my dad isn’t one of them, he’s in the job because he truly wants our community to be safe, and he himself even said that if someone goes rogue in his department, he reports them, because he doesn’t want to work with “dirty cops”.
I just hope you don’t see every figure of authority as a form of corruption, I do understand corruption exist in law enforcement, I just fully hope that you’ll meet a cop who actually wants to follow the law, and not be a bigot towards the people, like you
You mean you attacked someone's person or property and they didn't side with you based on political belief alone? Judging from your insistence to base "everything" on political affiliation rather then something biological, I would be willing to bet that's closer to the truth. The irony is wasted here.
Wow, your story matches mine so well. Even the 22 hours when they could have actually interviewed me within an hour. I was completely innocent and treat like dirt. Medication deliberately witheld too. It was hell. Even rang my boss in a clear attempt to lose me my job. I learned that complete innocence is no protection whatsoever!
That's so fucked up, I guess the only way to avoid something like that is to try and not get involved with people capable of that behavior. Not that that's easy, or even possible if you're an unlucky person :(
Everybody this is happening to me. No matter who you are if a woman files a police report you are done! They will believe everything she will say. A day before I was suppose to be a federal agent and my ex filed a police report to me. To get back revenge. People if you see this comment please please DO NOT SPEAK TO THE POLICE!!!!
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British Wrath2020-11-20 07:53:10 (edited 2020-11-20 07:56:42 )
@Joshua K
My family believed I was guilty, because behind my back, she had been sending them emails, pretending to be me.
Then, whilst she was doing that, she was bitching about how I didn't even get a phonecall on Christmas or my birthdays from my family.
I ran off with her, when I was quite young, and she managed to trick me into thinking I was outcast by my family, my sister believed me, because she could see that the emails weren't written how I would write them.
I read a few of the emails, she was saying all sorts of messed up shit, whilst pretending to be me, things like I hate all of my siblings and wished they were dead etc...
I didn't have my own phone at the time, either, so my family had no other way of contacting me other than email, which I never even thought to check up on, because I had no Internet access, other than her iPhone 3, Even so, she was smart and deleted all the emails as she went.
Honestly, I was completely blind to all of it. Rose tinted glasses 😔
@Senai Habte breaking up is hard.... I was vilified by my ex’s family.. awful experience took me a while to defend myself.. not sure why I bothered but it seemed like I needed to
@LeviHB Shocking viewpoint. Investigators, whether police or others in the judiciary process, should not believe anything. Once someone starts to believe, proper investigation stops. That's how so many innocent people are convicted and how so many guilty are never even seriusly investigated.
@apology girl The double standards, for both sides, are ridiculous. We need to stop making it a gender thing and start making examples of these people who lie to ruin others' lives by locking them up and throwing away the key. This shit will never end, otherwise.
@Dave Chrome nah you’re good man. I’ve had this account for a long time 😂 and plus I wouldn’t put my real name in social media lol. Yeah man it suck, but I’m fixing this. Got text messages, videos, and audios proving my innocence
Agreed! People like that are the ones who ruin it for the rest of us! The narrative they push us believe all women regardless... No! It should be believe the evidence, do an investigation! Sorry you went through that.😟
Was the judge’s defense, “why would she go out if her way to lie.” People who haven’t experienced this sort of thing, and are super pro cops, in constantly defending them, are naive.
This is how the justice system is broken. Its innocent until PROVEN guilty. And that goes for EVERYONE. Every single case is supposed to be innocent until PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
@apology girl It’s a gender specific thing. As far as I know, there has never been a case of a couple breaking up, and the man going to the police to charge the woman for a series of bogus charges, the police automatically believing the man, arresting the woman, and severely mistreating her in jail. All this while also reaching out to the woman’s boss in an attempt to have her fired.
If something like that has happened, or is even possible in our police system, it doesn’t happen remotely as often as it does to men.
Edit: It is also interesting how you criticize the OP and people in general for making everything a “boy vs girl” thing, then broadly say that men sexualize everything.
its your job to know who your getting into, know who you are getting in a relationship with and if they would do something like that, learn there personality before.
it's also interesting how you lack seeing your surrounding. boy vs girl doesnt go into men sexualizing everything, anyone knows that weather you hate women or hate men that men tend to sexualize everything women or whatever they're into.
Save every text conversation you’ve ever had with any woman. Same with their emails. And if they start to threaten or manipulate you, find out if you live in a one party consent state, for it may be legal to record them secretly while you talk on the phone. I went through a divorce where she was constantly threatening to charge me with “abuse“. Started keeping records of everything. Now I even keep text conversations with casual hook ups in case of false rape accusation or any other BS. If my phone gets too full, I download texts in bulk to my laptop.
I've been through this shit as well. Served almost 4 months in county after an ex kicked me and punched me in the face, THEN the bitch broke my cellphone and threw it in my face. Georgia Power heard the commotion and I got arrested. over 105 degrees that day, in the squad car with windows up, no AC, I tried kicking them out to breathe. I ended up pleading "Guilty" after serving around 3 months, 3 weeks. They tarnished my reputation, my rights, my pride, my record, and trust for nothing...even though I haven't nor will I ever harm a female unless it's a dire straight type deal, God forbid. I'm sorry for everyone that has suffered this way, are going through the process, or are in volatile situations/relationships. Leave while you can. 🤘🖤
They have to work that way. Otherwise bad people slip through cracks. The things women you know intimately can do to you by just saying something is crazy thou.
@Bedsick Hobo hey what’s up man. Yes man stay single. I’m trying to get this done with my lawyer. It just sucks it has to go this way. Remember this quote man “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”. A woman is different when she had revenge on her mind
Y'all need to realise that the purpose of modern government is to replace husbands and fathers with tyrants. Believing women with no evidence is a feature of the system. Women are easily manipulated and government gets half their votes from them. Why would they do anything to make women's life harder? Why would they reduce their support of women against men when it's the source of their power? Especially for the left - in the US married men vote 85% Republican.
That's a very good point, the polar opposite could be said for any Islamic country, where women don't get a vote, and are worth a quarter of a man in court.
I'd say we have it better here, even with the current system though, Sharia law is abhorrent.
@gracefool exactly my point without these manipulated women the government wouldn’t have a job. Notice how many men don’t call the cops for anything. They want women to keep doing this so men can pay for lawyers, bonds, probation, classes. This is reality! And us men need to start protesting just how these women did back in the 70’s for there rights. I’m done with feminist, women who falsely accuse men, and women who want to get revenge against there husband!
What objective evidence have you got that 'by large people don't get accused unless they are guilty' that you can demonstrate?
To make such claims you need to have statistical data, other wise, you're just spreading misinformation.
Our species isn't productive, we are only 0. 7 on the Kardashev scale, we are massively unbalanced in our global economy, our energy consumption out weighs our means and corruption is rife in every nation.
We are ruled by liars, politicians lie, it's their job to lie.
I'd say you're very naive if you honestly think that the majority of humanity are honest to a fault.
Everywhere you look, the evidence is insurmountable that our species is deeply immoral and inefficient.
@Tanaphar Plus Masks you're largely right, except that we could drastically reduce innocent convictions by changing the way police operate and reducing the bias of the system. A large proportion of jurors don't even know the principle "innocent until proven guilty"!
That's modern feminism. A woman's word is believed 100x stronger and more reliable than a man's word.
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British Wrath2020-11-30 08:38:47 (edited 2020-11-30 08:39:39 )
@Tanaphar Plus Masks
Right, so you presented no evidence, and just presented more claims.
You also sprinkled in a touch of straw man fallacy in there to spice up your comment.
You didn't understand what I was saying, and missed the point entirely, I can see I'm not going to get anywhere debating with you, so I'm not going to try.
Arguing with an intellectual is difficult, arguing with a fool is impossible.
@Babe Root Actually, all police officers graduated high school or got a GED. Police Academy is also considered a college. Things would be much worse if the job requirements were the same for working at McDonald's.
@Julian Galindo sure, for a beat cop.... But a detective position usually has collegiate requirements associated with the job position... some states don't have that requirement but I'm pretty damn sure Canada would, considering their outlook on education that being said it seems like this detective was just in desperate need of pace closures for their quota or some other bureaucratic nonsense is the only reason I can fathom for him completely ignore the evidence at hand.
Being unlawfully arrested, and charged, scars you, I have PTSD from being unlawfully arrested and charged 5x now..... Imagine that, the same force, making the same mistakes over and over.
@The Scenarios I was unlawfully accused/investigated for a serious crime too. Fortunately I managed to find a lawyer pretty quickly who uncovered the misconduct almost immediately.
@David Kilburn my brother has had the shit beat out of him and unlawfully arrested 4x, tazed after being cuffed 3 of those times, and this last time, was attacked by the cop dog, shot with a riot gun and 5 guys ganged up on him..... And to top it off, they recently arrested my elderly parents 81 & 60, for demanding to see a warrant before allowing police in the home, the police said it was in the car, which we knew was a lie, and decided to shove their way in anyway.... A month later the cops come back and arrest them.... Like wtf?
@David Kilburn first time my brother was arrested because he spanked my nephew, cops threatened my sister with cps removing her kids if she didn't press charges, second time, he was teaching my homeschooled at the time kids, about usnea (not sure how to spell it) a plant that grows on trees and is antibacterial, antiviral and kills cancer, the pigs (who I think set him up) showed up with a warrant to arrest my ex husband, whom my father has a ppo against, and the pigs knew he wasn't allowed on the property, anyway, they saw the usnea and claimed it was pot, while he was out on bond, they obviously beat the shit out of him for nothing, then tazed him in cuffs, in front of my children, almost trampling my 1 year old at the time, cps then used my kids witnessing police brutality as a form of 'abuse and neglect' on my part, somehow that was my fault, and they took my kids. About 3 weeks after he got out I delivered a baby at the hospital, cps had an emergency hearing (different father) and claimed 'improper supervision' at the hospital and took him 6 hours after he was born, so my brother made a Facebook post, yes a Facebook post, saying that we all need to get together and take down the corrupt government.... Again the cops came and said he was a terr-or-ist, beat the shit out of him again, arrested him and he sat in jail with a 500 k bond, for 6 months, a child (under 13) rapist had a 150k bond and only sat for 3 months..... Same judge for both of them..... Then this last time, we were out on our side by side and a cop pulled us over because 'he didn't know us,' and 'we were on the side of the road,' which is legal on the road we were on, so after we proved that we informed the officer there was nothing else he could ask us, nor could he continue the stop because his suspicion had been satisfied, he didn't like that, so he called for backup and they ended up beating the shit out of my brother after sicking the dog on him and shooting him with the riot gun, because he 'violated probation' by 'being in an off-road vehicle.' The cops here are so corrupt and have a personal vendetta against our family......
@The Scenarios Jesus. What a horrific story. Thank you for sharing, and I truly hope things get better and with my soul I hope all the best for your children.
@David Kilburn thank you, I know Yahuah will bring them home, he gave me dreams of all of this before it happened, and he has given me dreams they will be returned. It just sucks that cps hasn't let me see them since they were taken on October 28, 2019, and I haven't been able to speak to them since May 16 last year.
@George jail is where you go if you have a short sentence or youre awaiting trial, so your cousin isnt right or hes seen something strange. Career criminals with long sentences go to prison.
That also makes jail likely worse because unlike prison, there aren't nearly as many protective regulations for inmates as prison. He was a jailer in Arpaio's jail too.
@Derek _ HA! I know the feeling, bud. I have a very handsome youngest son, gets hit on all the time. I told him not to get mad, just politely tell them you like girls and walk away. That wouldn't work in the big lockup.
I’ve been to the joint 8 days and nights, worst experience of my life. Felt like 3 months had passed and was only out in the sunlight for an hour in that time. Funny thing is the CO’s were more threatening than the inmates, like they were seriously trying to hurt you for no reason. ACAB
Honestly. Every time a cop says that he’s got “evidence” they are reaaaally reluctant to actually show it to you. Something which as far as I know is your right
It is in the court system, but not necessarily in the interrogation room. The interrogation is to gather evidence for the police. That's why EVERY lawyer says NEVER, under any circumstance, ESPECIALLY if you're innocent, talk to the police without a lawyer present. Once it goes to the DA, that's when evidence must be presented.
@T G exactly, there's a great lecture about that. It's incredible how confessions remain important to this day and can impact so much a verdict. Michel Foucault wrote a lot of interesting things about the history of confessions.
You have the right to know the evidence against you yes, and that's what the trial procedure is for. Besides, the cops aren't the people you fight the charges with. There is no point to ever try and convince a cop you're innocent. It can only hurt your situation.
If they had enough they would charge you and throw you straight in jail and forget about you til court came. Anytime your being spoken to, there's simply not enough.
@Ur mom Coming from a YouTube username with a literal typo in it, I don't think I'm concerned what my "grammar" does to you Esp considering that my only mistake was I used their instead of they're once.
@QuantumXFluxMD first of all, what typo? Second of all, you also used "your" instead of "you're", which is one of the first things you learn when learning English and is not a hard concept to grasp whatsoever which is what makes it that much more painful
This interrogator frustrates me so much. Not that I have ever been trained in interrogation or have any idea of what he's doing, but the mind games are so obvious. "The question isn't if you did it but why." Dude, zip it. The cop sounds afraid. He stumbles over his words, interrupts the man, tells obvious bluffs. Shouldn't you be trained to read the room and know that that tactic will not work? I can barely watch it. It's so heart-wrenching.
@Arto Harto hey don't hit them with logic like that. Their brains can't handle it. I mean it's not like the narrator even said himself "hindsight is 20/20"
That question is the first step of the reid technique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique ) and the interrogator isn't very good at it. That technique is illegal in several european countries as far as i remember. Especially against juveniles.
@Arto Harto the joke is someone guilty would probably laugh at him internally and see through his bs. the reason this technique would work is cause the person you're using it on is in stress and isn't capable of dissecting your bs in the moment. Joke is an innocent person is probably more likely to stress and overlook things in such interactions, than someone who would commit a crime. doesn't that make sense?
Then they hold you for as long as needed, refuse to give you food or water, and coerce them into a confession. And that's not a myth. So many people that have been forced to confess a crime they didn't commit.
@Arto Harto I think the thing that affects my conclusion the most is the fact that the caller to 911 literally said it was a short white man not a 6’3 black man sitting in that room. Or did you miss that part?
@AngryTwxGaming and I suppose your brain couldn’t handle the fact that the 911 call described the suspect as a short white man but there’s a tall black man sitting in front of that detective.
Always remember, an interrogator's job is to pin a crime down to a tangible person whose name can be placed in a book. Their job is not to enforce justice and give everyone a fair chance.
That is certainly true in areas where they use the Reid technique, but here in the UK for example cops arent allowed to lie to a suspect. I'm not saying they're all your mates or anything, but they are way less confrontational here.
Im no lawyer but im pretty sure youre not going to get sent to prison just because you confessed. Evidence is key, and if the investigators get a confession they can narrow in on where they search for. And they wont have to interview and search for suspects.
@Booxwee I respect your opinion but in america all the police/detectives want to do is place you at the scene of the crime, then they can manufacture a case with any evidence they have. I've heard a dozen cops say "I'm not interested if you're guilty or not, if we want you to be guilty we can certainly make it look that way! " There are thousands of innocent people who never confessed and sit on death row or some top tier maximum security prison for life. It's not what they know, it's what they can prove.
This maybe a bad example but if you look at the Steven Avery case (Netflix to make a murderer) not his second conviction but his first conviction. There was no physical evidence or witnesses (other than the complaintant) just a couple of angry woman who didn't like Avery. That's all it took. 18 years later the truth finally came out. That's a long time when you're innocent of the crime your serving time for. That's real hard time. The sad part about it is that it keeps happening all over the world. The system does not work. If it did those officers and States Attorneys office should be in jail. How is there evidence if the person is innocent? Someone or someone's had to manufacture the evidence or coerced the suspect into confessing. (Sometimes under duress.
@Booxwee their worse because they will actually offer you up to the state's attorney. I've seen lawyers doing deals with the state's attorney. I get this conviction and then you owe me a favor. So this guy goes to jail but the lawyers next client gets a sweet deal or gets off scott free. The whole system is messed up. I had a case in cook county Il. as a juvenile I received 11 months for two attempt murders. The kid after me got 6 years for one attempt murder, first offense. Same lawyer. Not to mention my lawyer requested the judge because he played golf with him. Just like any profession there are always the bad ones and there's the honest hard working folks that have some high morals and beliefs and don't play that game. The police are different because the "so called good cops" always turn a blind eye to the bad ones and to be honest that makes them even worse. I've had people in my family, friends and even enemies who have been railroaded by the police and the courts. Even with my two attempt murder charges we're somewhat bogus. The two individuals that I hurt were not only wanted by the police but we're adults at the time of the incidents and I was a juvenile. They waited three months to press charges. The town that they were wanted ended up dropping the charges because of their injuries. Then and only then did they file charges against me. At the time I believed what I was doing was right but over the years I changed my stance. No one has the right to hurt an other person. I know this is more than what you asked but I thought a little context would help out on my train of thoughts into the topic.
I disagree, she should've gotten that on top of the punishment she got for her crimes. Being that harsh on people making false accusations is the only way to stop that madness from happening.
It's not unlikely that her abusive boyfriend made her frame him as a cover for his abuse. given we know he was violent, he could have threatened her into compliance. That kind of thing is certainly not unheard of. I wouldn't judge her without knowing the full details of the situation personally.
@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous I'm a woman. A bi one but that's besides the point lol. I love how ur immediate assumption is I'm a dude thirsting after a woman I've never seen 😂. Projection is a funny thing.
@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous all I'm saying is Im not gonna make a judgement without the full context of the situation bc life is crazy and assumptions are silly. Idk what could've happened to make things go the way they did, I barely have any information about it, so I feel it's reasonable to suspend judgement. I didn't know that was an out there take.
@Sexy Shrekk the guy being interviewed mentioned that the last he heard candy's boyfriend had been arrested for domestic violence (presumably against candy)
The problem with that idea is that it could discourage people who've had a crime committed against them from speaking up under fear of being arrested. It would be especially hard on sexual assault/rape victims, since evidence is often a lot harder to bring to the table.
@Stefanny Dvorak yeah but I mean I'm not assuming my scenario is the truth. Just one of many possibilities. So I don't wanna assume anything and call for a possibly innocent person to be punished when I have little to no info
@Meatman the statement made is “Was not aware he was about to be wrongfully inprisoned for just over 2 years”. This means he was in prison for just over 2 years after this point until the case was tried. That’s wrong on so many levels
Actually a similar situation happened in Poland not long ago, causing much uproar. Tomasz Komenda got wrongfully imprisoned for 18 years for a rape and murder he didn't commit in 1997. His trial was in 2004 and the main witness, Dorota P. had been arguing with Tomasz's grandmother telling her "You'll be crying because of me someday.". Overly zealous police officers and court employees took her words as prime evidence despite contrary DNA results. As soon as evidence came to the surface around 2018 that well, he didn't do it, the poor Dorota P. died of a heart attack, which is a very common cause of death for inconvenient witnesses in Poland and most of Eastern and Central Europe. The guy is free, the witness is dead, the guy who did it is having his trial postponed indefinitely because now he's old and cranky. Welcome to Poland.
For the record, I do not have suicidal tendencies.
@ZenleeK yeah, but what if the accused got stoned to death. False witnesses got stoned to death for murder. As a deterrent. Hi price to pay for innocence. Which is why it costs a high price for lying in that case.
It's likely worse than that. My guess is that she knew about his past crimes and figured the cops wouldn't dig too deeply if the suspect had a record of the same activity.
if i were the police 11 of the 12 guys wouldn`t even be suspects in these cases. That way you minimise this probability of someone being wrongly accused. Ok...in this case it wousn`t work.
It wasn't random. She picked the guy she knew from the line up. If she had picked any one else, they would have let them go. Police know who the suspect is in the lineup and choosing anyone else is seen as evidence that the witness is unreliable.
@Robert Wise State will press for you most of the time. If the cops get called and somebody been beat on(and the combatants live together), somebody's goin to jail, hence the fairytale about Justin coming in and robbing/attacking them.
I love this video. I was once falsely accused of something and apparently me being “defensive” to the accusation meant I was guilty. People need to educate themselves and this video is great for that - well done
I love JCS videos. He has helped me alot to learn the process. If I'm ever guilty, lol, I'm raising hell and be really angry during interrogation because obviously innocent people are upset and surprised at the situation instead of pre-planned an answer why i shouldn't be guilty. ;)
I never went to jail or anything but I had cops at my new apartment accusing me of being the aunt of some runaway kid... I didn't know the kid or the parents and told them over and over and they still looked at me like mam just tell us the truth about where the kid is I'm like omg I don't know them.. the next day I got a call from a detective apologizing to me.. talk about scary..I've never been in trouble my whole life and I'm 36.. they definitely treat you like you are guilty before proving innocence
it's unfortunate to know that the psychology of a self-reflective introvert person, who's trying to reason with the circumstances, can be easily overwhelmed by an investigator and admit to things that he/she haven't done. It's scary that it happened a lot prior to cc tv's existences, and with the lack of thorough investigation. Thank you for the time you took to prepare these wonderful videos.
I was wrongfully arrested once and I behaved more like the guy in the white shirt. It really felt like a throwback watching the guy actually. I stayed really calm because I knew I did not do anything wrong and I trusted that the system would work. And my interrogator actually told me: "You are acting as if you were guilty." "How so?" "Innocent people usually get angry" (like the second guy).
@vheiissu I am not saying otherwise, I am actually saying that my interrogator would have agreed with the assessment that innocent people who get accused usually get angry. What a weird thing, if you stay calm and try cooperate as best as you can, they think you are guilty even though calmness in my mind indicates that a person does not fear actually being punished for a crime because they now for a fact they did not commit one.
Like you, I am the calm, helpful, commiserate type. I know the interrogator has a difficult job and probably has people claim their innocence all the time. Not after seeing this video, though. I'm going to be demanding of my lawyer and vocal of my innocence.
Oliver Quach2021-07-15 06:49:30 (edited 2021-07-15 06:51:29 )
OMG I had a VERY similar experience a few years ago. In my case the interrogator said to me “you’re acting suspicious. Truly innocent people will argue back. Unconditional compliance is a sign of a guilty conscious.” I did nothing wrong yet found myself in a police department in a no win situation.
I respect police, but I learned the hard way they can’t be trusted.
Maybe they know your calmness is irrelevant and just want to see how you react from being really threatened to be considered guilty, which reaction could be more relevant to them. I doubt they would tell you you look guilty, just like that, because they think so, without a precise objective in mind.
I feel like I would've said something like "did you forget to put your glasses on when you were reviewing that tape?" I would've been calm until the detective started playing games with me and then I'd insult his intelligence.
@B. Calvin Saul don’t even answer any questions. Ask for your lawyer, don’t talk to the police. It does not make you look guilty, and speaking to the police will allow them to twist your words into something that can incriminate them.
@Nullname if ur gonna make a life raping someone and literally ruin there life cuz of it forever, and cry like a baby when you get ur "life ruined "for it dont do the crime
@apology girl Not what I'm saying at all. If you have no evidence a rape or crime occurred then it most likely didn't happen, there is no perfect crime. Also are you implying I live the life of a rapist and that I'm crying over the prospect of getting caught. Throwing out a lot of accusations in a very incoherent manor. Honestly can barely understand wtf your saying in your reply so I'm just guessing. Whatever your saying evidence needs to be provided in order for something to be proven in court. You can't just me to someone for no reason with no evidence based on a he said she said argument. Honestly what the hell happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty it blows my fucking mind.
The amount of rage that fills my body everytime the detective says there's no debate about Michael's innocense is unfathomable. I can't imagine how I would react in that situation.
I have a wee bit of a temper and a low tolerance for BS, so I would probably say something that would get be beaten and would probably be one of those stories you hear about an innocent person spending time in jail due to falsified documents and bias. Of course, my self-preservation instinct would probably force me to be relatively well-behaved. No way in hell would I "confess" or even talk to them any more than claiming my innocence. They're not going to release me based on anything I say anyway, so what's the point of talking and potentially saying something they can twist into a confession or twist into evidence they will use against you. This is why competent lawyers are important. They will keep you from falling for this which makes it a lot harder for the police to frame you. Of course, if you're poor, good luck with that.
Anyone falsely imprisoned should be paid at very least minimum wage for every single hour they were imprisoned, that's the bare minimum they should receive in compensation
The problem is that they do calculate based on that, minus the cost of keeping them in prison i.e. cost of housing, food, electrical. Generally speaking they'll pay a little more than the bare minimum but most of the lawsuits is because the amount is just not fair with all the deductions
@Vault Chang the deductions should not be a part of it, and I'm betting they calculate based on an 8hr day five days a week as a lost wages kind of thing rather than a 24 hours per day incarcerated
You can tell that detective was stupid as shit, just trying to get invisible threads.. Glad everyone got demoted and suspended without pay. Glad he got a civil suit and won. Good stuff.
Should have gotten more than he did and they should have been fired. But at least they did something. Hopefully they also made all officers involved go through some sort of re-training so this doesn’t happen again.
@soccerguy2433 yeah, but I’m assuming that it went mostly to his lawyer so I doubt that it actually made a difference. Which is sad because who knows what this has done to his mental health or if it ruined his reputation. In my opinion they should have had to pay for his legal fees and pay out at least 100,000.
I hate how the interrogator was immediately telling him that the question of his innocence is not even up for discussion. Seeing how this went that was exactly how the interrogator was thinking. He did not want to know the real story and was only looking for things to pin him down on, so vile.
The end of this video is the most joyful I’ve been all week. This man made 15,000 a day for 3 days AND the idiots got demoted AND SUSPENDED?!!!!!!!! I love it
Haha, yeah. Goddamn it was so infuriating to watch that interview - kudos to the guy though, keeping so calm when the interviewer was obviously lying to his face. I know it would be cooler if he raged but I personally respect his chill demeanor much more. A different question, of course, is if it had been better for him to get angry, but in this case 46k + the sense of justice when those bastards got demoted and suspended - I'd say he got what he deserved.
@sikander is the biggest scumbag to ever exist That's not what they were referring... JCS said 46k, to which Melanie said 15 a day for 3 days, because that's basically it, he was wrongfully held for 3 days and compensated by 46k total, that's roughly 15k a day, what does that amount to? Exactly. It's simple math and English.
Probably also had a bunch of other days in court and his lawyers probably took 1/3rd of the money, but yea, hopefully he was satisfied with the end result.
Right! But I think the investigators should have been fired. I'm glad there was some sort of punishment, but for what they did, their punishment was a slap on the wrist! They deserved to be fired!
my God, that is the warmest thing ever ever I hope these "investigators" are not only demoted but jailed too. You cant play with someone's life and reputation
What I learn from criminal justice course as well as these type of stories is that police just wants to close the case. Their valuation comes from how many cases they closed. The same as the number of convictions Prosecutor can get on their book regardless if the defendant is guilty or innocents. The detective was willing to string arm Michael into confessing to a crime he did not commit. It crazy to think they can convince someone to admit to a crime they didnt commit but you got to understand that police can hold you for 48 hours just trying to psychologically tear you down. In the end, anyone normal person would admit it with just enough time. Michael was strong in his conviction and they didnt held him long in the interrogation room.
@dis cover Cops don't get evaluated based on cases closed, otherwise every case they came across they wouldn't bother to investigate and just blame it on someone but write down "not enough evidence to charge".
Typically when police officers commit misconduct in an attempt to have someone confess, it's because they have absolute conviction that this person is guilty and that this is the only way to convict them, but in most cases and otherwise police will just follow by their duty as normal.
@Bear Marco but the dude had no conviction. Just a lot of racism and a want to pin it on a black guy 🤷♀️ or convenient to him guy 🤷♀️🤷♀️ dudes should just do their god damn jobs properly.
@spongebobsjellyfish someone is convicted after they're charged, which is after an investigation, as such you can't say he wasn't convicted because it would make no sense if he was.
Additionally, seeing this individual does not prove that there was racism. This guy in his clothes and facial complexion may have looked exactly like the suspect.
Finally, I may be crazy here, but I'm pretty sure that the guy there isn't black.
@Bear Marco dude you’re insane what are you on about how can you not see that the officer was talking out of his ass and tried to pin a crime on a short white man on a tall black dude
1 - that guy is not black 2 - cops are legally allowed to deceive during interview and interrogation (see Frazier v. Cupp) 3 - this dude made a mistake and was just given the suspect that the arresting cops gave him 4 - he didn't arrest him, other officers did that, he just took him into interrogation and initiated an official judicial police investigation 5 - crack
@Bear Marco The black man in this video isn't black? Even if the interrogator didn't know the details about the actual suspect, he has terrible intuition if he never even doubted that this guy was capable of robbing a jewelry store.
I know why he didn't protest his innocence forcefully. He's clearly an intelligent guy and knows that getting angry and having an outburst will not help him.
It would be normal to be outraged when accused of something you didn't do. It would be a natural reaction.
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Julia Brouwer2021-12-28 01:42:47 (edited 2021-12-28 01:43:22 )
@Justine Dildeau Of course. He didn't say otherwise, he just said that this guy is extremely emotionally intelligent to be calm, knowing that behaving like that won't help him at all.
@Kent, Knight of Caelin Because it's more than likely the way an innocent normal human being would act upon any assumption that they committed a crime they didn't commit. And getting upset wouldn't necessarily hurt you either in an interrogation room. As you can see here not being angry didn't really help him. I know you're just piggy backing off the comment you are simping for but cut the bs either way kiddo.
When incompetent cops decide you are guilty, everything becomes guilty behavior -- yell and scream about your innocence? Thou dost protest too much! Only a guilty man would do that! Stay calm and explain that they are wrong? Wait, if you're innocent why aren't you more upset at being allegedly falsely accused? Obviously you are guilty! You're screwed no matter what you do.
Uh, being a meek pushover didn't help him either, genius. Maybe you missed the part where he was in jail for 3 days and ONLY exonerated when they did a proper investigation and saw evidence of his alibi?
That’s not a meek pushover. That’s someone who is calm, collected and articulate. He defended himself as much as he could under the circumstances he was in. If he were to start yelling, cussing, pacing around do you think they would’ve rolled out the red carpet for him to leave?! Fu<k no! Not everyone has a knee jerk reaction to be outraged… apparently very few have the same emotional intelligence and presentation as this man.
@Kent, Knight of Caelin Someone proved his BS wrong eloquently and without malice. That busted his sensitive ego and now he's angry. So instead of saying "Oh, didn't think of that" he goes "KeWL SotRY BrO!!" like an toddler throwing a tantrum.
idk apparently he has a fear of public speaking and myb he has a hint of social anxiety and therefore didnt want to appear mean or respectless? however he is very polite and its sad he was treated so badly
“How can tou prove to me you were at home” uhmmmm he doesn’t have to prove that... you have to prove he wasn’t at home. The burden falls on the accuser not the accused
but that was the problem, the accuser claimed they saw him, so he kind of does need something to verify his side of events. Thank god they eventually found the truth but do I understand correctly that he was still in jail for 2 years because of it? Did he recieve any compensation? It fuckin sucks
@Mustang 0524 If you have every been through the system, you would know that that phrase does not apply to cops, only in the court room.
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El Plebe Uchiha2021-01-02 22:46:52 (edited 2021-01-03 05:39:47 )
In an argumentative aspect, yes. However, he is being accused of not being in his house; therefore he does have to prove that he was in his house. Then it becomes he said, she said, but... it’s easier to just have evidence than the said, she said, BS [+]
@El Plebe Uchiha the state has to prove he wasn't at home, not the other way around. Since the founding of the United States even the justices of the highest court tell citizens to never talk to cops.
@Giorgos Toskas Yes, because they are the only 3 types of people who know 😂 That's like saying "how do you know it's illegal to murder, are you a Judge?" And you know what a psychiatrist is, right? They don't usually attend law school to become one 🤣
@Hingle McCringleberry Yea, the problem wasn't really all the cops fault, it was a woman lying. Hopefully that woman went to jail, sounds like she was trying to save her bfs ass. Compensation has to be almost default. If not, he could easily sue and he would surely win.
@Giorgos Toskas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) ; this is also law and it is a really good law and good concept, really logical. the fact that it doesn't apply because of incompetence and bias should and I think is a crime. Is literally not respecting law
@Sizzel TV Real life isnt NYC Law and Order. You would be shocked at how much circumstantial evidence, hearsay, and character references play a role in convictions. 75%+ is pure hearsay, fingerprints arent real (rarely found because it needs to be glass or metal and very clean), the prosecution lies, the cops lie. All your innocent concepts of the justice system and law enforcement are completely nieve. All these people talkin "rights" and "here in america" have no fucking idea.
@Alec McDonald Still they need to be able to prove that they spotted him - so the burden should still be on the cops to prove that.
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robert gibson2021-01-07 14:06:19 (edited 2021-01-07 14:14:12 )
@El Plebe Uchiha you are incorrect... He don't have to prove anything... He gave explanation...(his mistake) Cops job is to cheek that explanation... And prove you lie/clear you....it's impossible to prove you never done something. This is why the burden falls on crown/state to prove you did....etc...Can't prove a negative.
@Dazzletoad The real reason why "innocent until proven guilty" is a thing is because logically, it is impossible to prove a negative. Easiest example; I'm an (agnostic) atheist and even I acknowledge that I cannot prove that God does not exist. Gnostic atheists claim to do so and that is why they end up making themselves look foolish (the classic "fedora tipper" atheist). This is because an obtuse person could come up with "well what if" scenarios until the end of time that you could not satisfy. To put it in a court scenario, if you were accused of a murder and had to prove your innocence, even if you had a rock solid alibi a corrupt prosecutor could say "Ah but actually that was your UNKNOWN-UNTIL-NOW TWIN BROTHER who was gone that day" or something equally ridiculous. You would have to fend off accusations until the end of time.
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Jason Garret2020-10-08 19:23:04 (edited 2020-10-08 20:03:50 )
I have a social IQ of a cucumber and I have a hard time communicating thoughts to words but I was questioned once about a crime I had nothing to do with and as much as I wanted to remain silent I talked with the investigators. I’ve never felt more confident, direct in control of my thoughts and words whenever I answered their questions. This is absolutely spot on.
You are funny and obviously super smart..... to tease yourself by saying social IQ of a cucumber seems like you have self confidence and are happily self aware of your short comings....we can all get a lesson from you
I'm in the same boat, I tend to become calmer and more confident when I have an actual emergency or threat to deal with. It's almost as if my brain lets go of worrying about what-ifs when it has something real to focus on.
My problem is subconsciously smiling when in uncomfortable situations. I had to tell my mother my father had died (i was 13, he lived in a different continent and I had to find out over Facebook of all things) and not knowing how to console her I just sat and smiled. I felt like a bad person. Happens all the time I'm in a stressful or uncomfortable situation. Let's pray no interrogations for me lol.
I'm at genuine and utter shock, and also absolutely disgusted by that detective's unprofessionalism and disability to simply do his job correctly by looking at the reports.
They got away withholding 7.6 million that Michael should have received, the going rate is $1,760 a minute for wrongful imprisonment trezevant vs miami.
That guy was incredible. He had some serious patience with the cop telling lies and genuinely tried to be helpful, all the while knowing he needed a lawyer if the cops were going to try to catch him out.
Also btw, this is more evidence to show that even when you're innocent, lawyer up straight away, because cops are not your friends (in that scenario), and want that conviction. Sure not all interrogators are like this in interrogations, I'm sure most are much better, but probably not a good idea to trust in them if the alternative is 2 years in prison waiting to get exonerated.
Adrian: "To serve and protect" are no longer valid. It turned into 'harass and incarcerate' long ago and the DA is only after getting another prosecution on his resume, never about taking some innocent persons freedom away. No scruples, morals or ethics and human values.
It is a funny thing, how the suspects flap their gums as if they're helping to crack the case.
Suspect: "I didn't do it." Investigator: "Oh, thank god. You can go. It's the guy in the other room." Suspect: "Should I call my lawyer? I might have incriminated myself here." Investigator: "Nah, you're good. Sorry we pulled you away from your busy life, but you know how it is." Suspect: "Yes, I know. I mean, I could have easily been the perpetrator." Investigator: "Tut, tut! I don't want to hear that negative talk."
Remove "in that scenario" - cops make their money off the pain of others, if you're innocent the best thing they can do is make you look guilty - no cop ever got paid extra for letting an innocent man go free, but plenty got promoted for locking the first person they saw behind bars.
Cops take the phrase "anything you say can and will be used against you" to a whole new level. They twist and turn your words to "fit" their theory to get a conviction. My interrogation lasted only the time it took me to say, "I plead the 5th. I'm invoking my right to remain silent until I speak to my attorney." (That was my response the moment they asked my name. I didn't even give them that!)
The cop manipulating the camera, looked at the investigator and shrugged his shoulders as if to say, "oh well, so much for that". (I wanted to laugh!)
whether they are good interrogators bad ones, good cops or bad ones, whether you are innocent or you committed a crime or infraction you answer must always be " I want to invoke my 5th amendment right to not incriminate myself so I will not answering any question, and I want a lawyer now", right after those requests shuts the fuck up and don't speak another word until you have a lawyer to speak with who will then speak on your behalf.
Btw, scary thing, people in the comments, imagine this interrogation happens in 2-5 years, when likely the cop can totally make a fake CCTV clip of him doing it with the software on his laptop (can already be done but cops aren't that tech savvy), and then actually make the evidence he made up.
@Bryce Tbh, in a better world there would be no criminals because there's no need to steal. But a short while ago, I learned that the US has pivatised prisons, which sounds actually really disturbing because then the goal of the justice system becomes to arrest as many people as possible, as long as possible, and not to serve justice. Oh and racism is also bad
@Bryce I just don't think other countries would be too happy having some other countries convicts dumped on them. Uk used to just dump people in Australia but can't really do that any more.
@Bryce I commend you for making long rants in youtube comment sections though, you actually think you can change people's opinions through your word spew
@luke kahn description: small white man, what they brought in: Tall black man. Evidence: undeniable video evidence (that doesn’t exist). I sure hope this isn’t standard procedure otherwise all hope is lost
@The Demonic Cell Gets worse when you look at the drug war. I wonder how long until somebody makes a timeline of when America stopped really caring about the constitution, like it's beginnings and effects through history. I guess that it's been that way from the start though
@Epical Failure In our current world, with the people we currently have, it wouldn't work, yes. But if the world was really good, society would change, and crime would just become something someone wouldn't even consider. In the perfect world, we wouldn't even need laws or police, as nobody would do anything that they could be tried for.
Police Officers are usually your Best Friend when you have a problem. When a person is being interrogated, probably the Officers are not on YOUR side. So, yeah, in THAT case. Your advice is EXCELLENT, in any case!
@Allister Caine Ya nice thought but not reality. I have seen for many years they just look for the ez prosecution. No excuse for "Justice" not to be used or part of the system.
Friggen BINGO! Always remember the police are out to further their careers. If you are wrongly imprisoned for months/years - chances are the officer in question has already been moved up the ladder and will face little or no issues as a result. He is already enjoying the benefits, you get free accommodation, a wrecked cornhole and messed up life.
Some countries, they don't allow you to see a lawyer until they done talking with you. They basically want to people to confess or use the words against them then let you have a lawyer But what if you can't afford a lawyer? Must so annoying to get a lawyer when you 100% innocent
@NICK Z I have called the police many times in my life. 2x I was talking on the phone with someone when a bad guy was kicking their door in. I called tho police, got my baseball bat & drove over. Both x I was there before they were & took care of the problem before the men in blue showed up. I pointed in the direction the perp .ran. They said oh he s gone then ? I said he might be in that clump of trees. They stood around & gossiped never even looked. The second time was another friend his wife had a gun & was saying she was going to kill herself. I got off the phone & called them ,got to the house an hour before the cops got the gun & the keys . They came I asked them to take her or call an ambulance , as she was on a bipolar cycle suicidal. She was crying & pitching a fit. They left. I have to say cops have never been worth calling. Out of about 50 x maybe once they actually helped.
@Train 2noplace buddies or related to the boys in blue. My friend is a 5th generation sheriff in his town of 600 people . Every person there is related by blood or marriage. I visited one summer & was invited to a birthday of a 4 year old. Every person in the town went to the Pig roast!!
When the military falls, the countries second defense is the Police. If the police fall, it is up to the citizens. If the citizens fall, so does the country. Who do you guys call when you have a problem? Someone just broke into your house, who are you going to call? The Ghostbusters? Since when did we start victimizing the police when they are here to SERVE AND PROTECT. To think on 9/11 that people like them, Cops, Firefighters, etc. they were our heros! Now we blame them for everyday things like racism (Which just so you guys know, HAS BEEN AROUND for centuries. The cops didn't start it), which is not even that common anymore in the US. You try to say that "All cops are bad", but they are the only thing standing between law and order and martial law, and trust me when I say this, NO ONE wants martial law. It will be living hell. So yes, cops are your friend. I do agree that you shouldn't talk to cops if they say that you are guilty, talk to your lawyer first and get his advice. But do not stand here and say the cops are evil because they are human too and EVERY HERE should be ashamed of themselves for thinking otherwise!
Even if you know you are innocent and can prove it. Will it make it a faster and better ending? Asking as a life pro tip if I ever get wrongfully accused like him.
@Hyperツ Depends on the Country. Some “free” countries have public defenders. These are Lawyers paid by the state. Usually underpaid; and therefore usually one or more of: under qualified, incompetent, inexperienced, overworked. In Canada they have something called Legal Aid, which pays lawyers to defend those who can’t afford one.
It’s a broken system, shackled by something called “plea bargaining”, and has absolutely nothing to do with truth or justice.
The best liars make the best lawyers, and the best lawyers become judges. There are principled lawyers, but they are working within a broken system.
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Julia Wegner2020-11-16 19:38:21 (edited 2020-11-17 07:29:57 )
@FrankIV [not my account] it’s important to steel yourself as well. There’s a not minimal chance that the cameras are about to “malfunction” and the phone books (reams of copy paper these days) are about to come out. You might be in for a few hours you’ll remember in your nightmares for the rest of your life, depending on how motivated they are to close the report.
Keep your mouth shut and be as prepared as anyone can be for some level of “enhanced interrogation.”
@Blaze Fairchild How could the law be fair and impartial in a place like that?
One thing about Canada: on the national and provincial levels at least, rookie cops are forced by seniority to go work in the boonies to start, and have to work their way back home with time on the job. There are plenty of other types of corruption, mind you...
On the average my experiences with police have not been bad, and most have been good. Whoever reads this I don't agree with Walkaway, but it depends on many things. The cops who arrested me without cause were minorities, one of them a rookie from outside USA. But most cops have done a good job of keepin trouble away from me, keepin me alive, preventin me from bein charged for stuff I didn't do, and even stuff that I did. Other cops arrested me without cause.
@NICK Z I'd mostly agree, but for personale experianced, I have noticed they still aren't always your friend when you need their help.
They take one look at your physical appearance.. from your the look of your face, your age, your gender, your clothes/fashion, and the pitch of your voice, and THEN right there on the spot they make it completely obvious if they take you seriously or not..and 99% when they don't take you seriously, they make it SUPER obvious in a way that if they if you made a complaint they'd have multiple good excuses 'justifying' the way the treated you, and downplay the whole interaction
@Hyperツ even if you don't have an attorney, you have the right to remain silent. You simply say "I would prefer not to answer any questions without consulting an attorney"
@On Sight I would feel the same. All cops are beautiful. They aren't our enemies. I won't sit here and say that there aren't any corrupt cops, but there's not allot. If you are saying they are don't even call them.
@Trey M. Milton there supposed to be, but not all of them mate. Hence why there are many many many many reports from minor to serious incidents involving regular citizens & a 'trained professional' that range between rude, manipulative, to straight criminal.
I hear ya, but imagine saying that about every person you meet at their job but you quickly realize they actually not as 'professional' as you'd naturally think...wait. that's actually quite common everywhere since forever
That shit ain't right.
..Unless you were tryna make a jab for some unknown reason..
@Yung Midoriya First off: I don't like taking the side of someone who can't even use the right words "There supposed to be" (They're). Secondly: Comparing a job as a cop to ANY other job is completely not viable. Cops have the most unique job. They are put under pressure everyday and "routine" things, are not ever routine. Sure there are some bad ones out there, but going out screaming "Defund the police!" isn't going to help. How about instead of defunding them, fund them. Give them more money to train their employees better.
@Trey M. Milton No, it literally does not. Everything CAN and WILL be used against you. Nothing will be used FOR you.
If you're guilty or innocent, saying nothing massively reduces your chances of a prosecution because you aren't obligated to prove anything. They have to then rely entirely on evidence against you to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.
Say nothing and do not cooperate with the police. Ask for a lawyer and do what they say.
Your advice is very harmful and could result in innocent people being wrongfully prosecuted for crimes they didn't commit.
Keeping calm and answering truthfully is your best option
Refusing to talk or work with them labels you with the "gilty sticker" Think about it Imagine you were the cop Who would you suspect 🤨 Polite personal eager to prove their innocence Or person who refuses to talk
Not to say they don't make mistakes in police, but if you have a relatively clean record you won't be the number one target
@Trey M. Milton This is absolutely, provably false. This is exactly the sort misinformation that has resulted in people getting prosecuted for crimes they didn't commit. They wanted to 'impress' the police by being truth and honest, the police then twisted the facts to make this person seem guilty.
Look it up online, plenty of completely innocent people have been done in by the police, with their own statements later used against them.
Here's a question for you. If the police come to your house to ask you some questions about gangland style executions near to where you lived. Which answer do you give?
1) Be truthful and tell them you don't know anything about any shootings but you'll do everything you can to help.
2) Tell them "sorry, I don't speak to police unless I've been arrested and even then, only with a lawyer present."
Cops are your friend. Let’s see you were getting shot who would protect you? The police. Raped? Police protect. Etc. And no I’m NOT saying all police are good. There is bad cops out there. Then there’s the good ones who protect you.
they are allowed to lie so YES get a lawyer. They may push an envelope in front of you that says DNA on it to scare you when in actuality they have NOTHING.
The most horrifying thing to me is being arrested as an innocent person all because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. With not having enough evidence to back up you didn't commit the crime at hand because you weren't active on social media, didn't take photos or you didn't see anyone that day. All because some fuckwit wants a promotion and doesn't truly care about the crime or justice at hand. Horrifying. I'm so glad another investigator looked into this case, he could have so easily slipped through the cracks. Can you imagine close friends and family second-guess your innocence, loose everything you've worked hard for (your whole life most likely), and the anger you'd have at being wrongfully accused with no one believing you or looking into it more thoroughly? So glad this man got his justice and those bastard cops at least had more than a slap on the wrist.
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Rick Deckard2021-12-20 04:41:11 (edited 2021-12-20 04:42:27 )
wear a body cam discreetly at all times when in public, dont give the cam to the police they will intentionally 'lose' or corrupt/erase it, give it to your lawyer.
@Rick Deckard , impossible. The police would have the camera in their possession after any so called arrest. As such, the contents of said recording device, would then be subject to whatever actions the police would like to take next. Up to and including, having the contents erased. Or the device, (cough cough) accidentally damaged, or lost. The only viable solution, would be to record straight to a cloud server of some sort. Apart from that, one is at the mercy of how the police want to deal with the situation.
@Rick Deckard yeah that's a good day good idea I was actually thinking about doing that but the smallest one I can find is still like a half an inch by half inch and then find that on you you know they would and then take the ship out and crush it and flush it down the toilet. Does anyone know any good websites for spy gear I'm looking for like a camera that's like the size of a button on your shirt like James Bond stuff.
There’s an even easier way to manage this, NEVER. TALK. TO. THE. POLICE. Even if you are innocent. ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. There is nothing you can say to them that will help you.
I imagine it's doubly scary for reformed convicts whose history would be held against them. In most cases, repeat offenders are usually guilty but imagine being the unlucky bloke who truly turned over a new leaf and then some assh*le who knows about your criminal past decides to do something and pin that on you.
Into The Unknown2020-11-25 22:25:18 (edited 2020-11-25 22:25:42 )
My heart goes out to that Justin dude, you can tell he’s just a normal dude, that’s trying to do right... my blood pressure is not into this type of BS. This is infuriating.
I encountered a similar situation. My wife and I were packing our apartment when a loud knock came at the door. I answered to a tiny little detective with a huge fucking attitude. He insisted that I was caught using a stolen credit card at a local hamburger joint and that he had video evidence and that I was going to jail. I insisted my innocence but at the time I had nothing but my word. Well, to make a long story shorter, in the end it turned out that the incident in question occurred only a day or two after a daylight savings and so the video was offset by 1 hour (shitty local camera setup with no internet, so it didn't autocorrect for DST). So, they had an electronic transaction that occurred "AROUND" the time that I was in the drive-thru (they didn't line up at all, but I was the closest to the time of the transaction on the stolen card), but in reality the thief had been there an hour later.
So, in all of this I had numerous officers insist that they "had me dead to rights" and that "I would go down for this" blah blah blah. Ultimately I had a receipt that proved my purchase at the ACTUAL right time and the video showed that I only received a single purchase, so there was no way I could have used my card AND the stolen card at the same time. It was MY SUGGESTION at the very beginning that the time change was the problem and that ended up being the truth. I mentioned the time change to the detective when he was STANDING IN MY FUCKING LIVING ROOM and to every single officer that interrogated me throughout the so-called "investigation", but they did not investigate it until well into court proceedings. They were NEVER interested in the truth, they were only interested in a CONVICTION! They had every opportunity to investigate the time change angle, but refused to even acknowledge it as a possibility until MY EVIDENCE called their "evidence" into question. They wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars trying to prosecute me over what was ultimately a petty theft.
Mind you, this is the SAME police department that only 3 months earlier were called to my home because my car had been broken into and the officer that arrived didn't even exit his vehicle. He simply wrote me a report # for my insurance and told me there was nothing they could do because of "manpower" and "we can't investigate EVERY crime"... but these same motherfuckers found the time to come harass me in my home and arrest me over this ladies stolen card that was used to by a fucking cheeseburger?
NEVER COOPERATE WITH POLICE, EVER! I don't care how right it may seem at the moment, you WILL regret it. They are NOT your friends, and they are NOT here to protect you. They WILL throw you in jail to further their own ambition. And they will do so with the LEAST amount of effort required.
@II M4X II no good comes out of blindly trusting anyone in a position of power over you. it's just self-preservation to assume a cop has it out for you until the ordeal is over. assume the worst and hope for the best.
good message, i had a cop lie in their report also, i was assaulted they did nothing about it and said they questioned me and everyone else but they did not ask me any questions the only question was, do you need to go to the hospital. they also lied and said we all agreed it was an accident.
The police are like a gang. You can say not all cops are bad just like you can say not all gang members are bad, still in a gang tho, still answer to some fucker, still stand by while their peers do shady shit. They may not be ‘bad’ in your eyes but they’re complicit and stand in solidarity with those who are.
When your car was broken into, the victim was a human. With the stolen credit card, the victim was a faceless bank. Bottom line, cheeseburgers can be bad for your mental health.
@II M4X II even if they are good and honest cops you can be arrested for saying something that the cop mishears or remembers wrong so even if the cops are good you shouldn't be talking to them. If you talk to them and then you say something in court and a cop was like but wait I thought he said X and it doesn't line up with what he said you can get imprisoned for it. Then we have the right to remain silent for a reason as countries that don't give this right have a lot of abuse to those they interrogate and use all sorts of shady tactics. People try and paint cops as being racist or whatever but the truth is they have a lot of abuse to anyone they have the power to abuse as that's what happens when you give people rights and power over other people with no easy means of making sure the power isn't abused. You can see this for instance in how death row inmates are treated. Or hell I went to school with a guy that was a cop or a couple years and he was always telling "funny" stories that was basically the cops just abusing inmates or random people. Like they detained a guy that was high of something and they beat the shit out of him and found it funny that the guy didn't remember anything and thought he just got hurt from something he did while high.
But despite that even good cops can get you imprisoned by accident if you talk to them.
@idrk Fair enough then, but some some people - such as myself - can. And if I get screwed? Believe me, those responsible truly are twice as screwed. I don't wanna sound like a hardass wannabe, but yeah...
@plimplom I am already aware that your word is nothing against the law's... I'm just saying that there is at least one individual cop that would rather actually prevent crime that fuck over an innocent for a raise...
@II M4X II Of course there is, i'm not arguing against that. I'd even say that most cops are probably good people. But if you walk into a dark alley and two dudes follow you, the best thing you can do for your own safety is to get out of the alley asap. Odds are those two dudes are just heading in the same direction and have no intensions of hurting you, but that doesn't change the fact that you absolutely should assume the worst in a situation like that and prioritize your own safety. I think the same goes if you get arrested for something you didn't do. Assume the worst and prioritize your own safety. You have everything to lose in a situation like that and absolutely nothing to gain from blindly trusting that the cops will follow the truth. Don't help make their job easier, make life easier for yourself instead and lawyer up asap
@Zozo Transirius " Not all cops are bad. I think it's a bad stereotype when people think that cops are bad.." It doesn't matter if they're good or bad. Even a "good" cop can rail-road someone into a conviction fully convinced you were guilty. If cops are talking to you about a crime, they're the enemy and you need to be wary of them. No good comes from talking to the police. Even best case, they've wasted your time. Worst case you're sitting in prison for something you didn't do.
@II M4X II It's true that not all of them are corrupt and out to get you, but you should always be wary of the possibility. It's not at all uncommon, so acting defensively (within reason) is the best option for any individual. Kind of like defensive driving, where you're expecting that any car around you could be dangerous.
As some other people have pointed out, it's also often the system that's out to get you. Whether or not you associate the moral compass of all/most police with the system they work for is much more subjective (in my opinion).
Reading your story gave me second hand anxiety because being wrongly accused of something is what I am most afraid of. At least you were able to keep calm and rationally defend yourself with evidence. I am a socially hopeless introvert and I would break down into a nervous fit of anger, confusion and frustration in your situation. No doubt that would lengthen the interrogation and my attitude would definitely be held against me during trial.
"demoted and suspended without pay" does not take the magnitude of the situation seriously enough. Someone who is in that kind of power, using manipulation, false information (lies), and intimidation out of their own insecurities to potentially ruin an innocent human's life does not deserve to get off so easily.
Worse yet, the investigator knew there was insufficient evidence to convict the "suspect" and was grossly negligent to basic profile information (height, ethnicity). Moreover, his inability to interrogate and interpret an innocent civilian's responses and nonverbal communication shows a complete lack of training and capability.
Police officers who show this kind of reckless incompetence should be imprisoned and permanently barred from entering into any facet of law enforcement. There is no excuse for this level of incompetence within the ranks of the police force.
I mean we have slaps on the wrist for everyday people with false accusations. Falsely accusing someone isn’t taken seriously at all in any circumstances
@Sheila no, they're absolutely allowed to lie to suspects. It's exactly why you have the right to not speak to them without legal counsel present and not speaking to them can in no way implicate you.
Well don’t they need money ?I’m sure they charge a lot Plus if you’re Innocent asking for a lawyer won’t make you look guilty? And please explain why do you need an attorney?☹️sorry just asking cause I’m not firmiliar with how things work
Court appoited attorney you mean ? Andthen PRAYyouget a goid ine not wayyyyy too overloaded todoa goodjobforyou. Amd watch outfor the attorney defaultingto cuttigadeal to knock your case offhis/hertask list when youreatually innocent. Ad ifyou pay forget all yourfinancial safety security and dreams.
A court appointed attorney / public defender whose continued employment and chances of promotion depend on the approval of the chief prosecutor ? Seriously you need to stop assuming a simple solution.
Once the police decide that they want to convict you, even a billionaire will struggle to survive. The only thing that will keep you out of prison is persuading the cops that they don't want to put you there.
How to achieve that depends on the situation. Lawyering up every time a cop asks a question is generally a good way to persuade them that they need to take you down, if not this time then they will make you a target until they get you.
Never in my former role as an investigator have I ever conducted myself in such a manner...although I have seen someone else behave in that manner as these so called officers have, and immediately stepped in and made the case of innocence for the accused, then reported his behavior to my Spvs, making sure a copy of the video evidence was secured, to ensure that the injustice was corrected ASAP, however the officer in question, received a verbal reprimand but, was promoted not long afterwards, as the Spvs were buddy buddy with that clown. I, in turn was transferred to another shift, received the smallest pay increases if at all over the next 4-5 years, was overlooked for promotions, and railroaded during the severance and termination payout factor...But it's like they say...what goes around comes around eventually...and it will come full circle for them...RIGHT.
That's so unfair man. I know people argue that its a few bad apples but sometimes it really feels like a rotten bunch with a few good ones like yourself.
Anyone that goes against the narrative will end up on the fringes. Our perception of the force is down the drain and will never assist them in any way.
I know you're getting back on the train of videos, and I hope you guys do at least one more of these
I have been accused by law, teachers, family members, like we all have, of things that I did not do.
Depending on the mood, circumstance, accusation, frankly the fucks I give at the time, I can either be nonchalant slouching in my chair or completely pissed off like this guy.
I think there's merit in doing a couple more of these to show the wide range of reactions
Unfortunately this is common. Not for good police, but still a common tactic. They completely assume if someone is sitting in front of them, they're guilty and will lie and make up whatever nonsense they can to get you to agree. Ive personally seen and been subjected to it. Thank goodness in my case it never went further than questioning because there was zero evidence but it is disturbing that this happens so much.
It was even the same crime too. And I never even found out what their reasoning for thinking I was 1010% guilty was. The only thing I was told was "someone you know said you did it". But even thats debatable when I asked the obvious follow up to that statement "who?". And the detective's verbatim response was "Uh uh um...Someone you know". In other words, he was lying and I have no clue why I was brought into that mess.
I think one of my biggest fears in life is being falsely accused of something cuz I know for a fact I wouldn’t not be able to handle my self in an interrogation room
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David Fraser2021-12-28 09:00:00 (edited 2021-12-28 09:00:52 )
Poor Michael!! He is a nice honest guy. He's too polite to tell the detective that the video story is BS.
I absolutely lament the fact that these investigators, who know full well the facts of the case, try and scare these people into a confession they know is false. I understand the investigator received a suspension without pay but that’s far from appropriate considering what he attempted to do to this innocent man. At a minimum, he should be terminated and barred from any and all law enforcement but I feel he should have faced charges commensurate to those he attempted to make this man face. I wish our legal system wasn’t so consistently and demonstrably abhorrent.
2:15 It's so cool how not only does he critique interrogated suspects, he also makes a commentary on interrogators doing their job. No wonder some criminals have managed to slip up.
I think we all know full well why the first guy reacted the way he did. He knows he didn’t do it and as a black man a violent or loud outburst would‘ve gotten him into more trouble (as sad as that sounds but we all know police tends to be racist) He knew this and that’s why he kept his composure.
if justice prevailed the officer wouldn't have lied to try and get a confession, if justice prevailed an innocent person would never have even been arrested that night, if justice prevailed they would have asked the bus driver if he just got off the bus, if justice prevailed so many other things would have happened that night... but they didn't... justice didn't prevail, it failed... P.S. this means he still has an arrest record FOREVER in the system, those don't get expunged, because public database people use all the time along with his mug shot are STILL available to this day, they don't remove those records, charges get dropped but all that booking information and public records are FOREVER, any future employer will find it, anyone looking up public databases will find it, its FOREVER in his life.
@Grumpy Old Man alright I understand your point. Justice overall didnt prevail. But it is majorly satisfying to hear the officers were demoted. that was mainly my reason for saying that.
FINALLY!!! I was wrongly accused of stealing and horribly brutally interrogated for 2 hours till I broke down and still suffer emotional scars from it. Sometimes you point out things that I DID I feel angry. So IM glad to finally talk about innocence. Especially since I will never do it again and immediately ask for a lawyer EVEN IF INNOCENTS. So some clues don't mean guilty!!!!
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Grumpy Old Man2021-12-24 19:50:43 (edited 2021-12-24 19:52:14 )
"demoted and suspended"... that doesn't really give me any confidence in the "justice" system because they are still cops, they likely made many egregious actions prior to this and likely after this but the people impacted can't afford a civil attorney to punish them, bad cops exist and thrive because accountability is too expensive for the average person. P.S. police should not be allowed to lie, if we lie thats evidence against our character, when police lie its somehow an acceptable character trait.
Cases of mistaken suspect are very common. Under stress people often give wildly incorrect descriptions of the perpetrators. In every robbery case I have responded to the description given by the clerk in the minutes afterwards has differed significantly from the video once we are able to view it. I personally gave a bad description once of a suspect who fled from me. I was busy arresting his partner in crime and by the time I tried to describe the one who got away a minute or so later my description was totally wrong, as proven by my own camera once I watched it. Knowing this, street cops will often stop and question people who partially match a description, or don’t match at all but are in coming from the area. That said, I have never seen someone arrested and charged without further effort to establish if they are actually the suspect. Often when I make a stop like that I use my own body language and behavior reading skills to eliminate the person I have stopped very quickly as a suspect. A good street cop should have a keen sense of guilty behavior vs innocent. If there is any doubt It takes very little effort to check the details or bring the witness to take a look at the suspect. This was crap police work by everyone involved until the other investigator who proved Michael’s innocence took over.
Something similar happened to me. I was in jail for a month because of it. I didn’t know I can file a civil case until I watched this video. when I do I hope I win, wish me luck!
Mann when I was younger my dad blamed me for something I didn't do. I was kindof laughing as he was asking me if I did it or not, because I knew I didn't do it and I was sure he'd realize that. He never realized it wasn't me. I think he thought I was laughing at my crime or whatever. I'll never forget that though, and I'll darn sure never end up in an interrogation room because that situation really sucked lol
I am so glad that the fist guy got off and more importantly that the officers involved were demoted. I am appalled how they behaved abs astonished how the victim behaved.
Imagine being on the side of Justice, the Law, and integrity and you have to lie, you cheap tactics, and treat innocent people like they are already guilty just to meet "end of the Quarter" Quotas.
The last few sentences were the best. I was thinking the whole time how that officer should be fired. You don't walk into an interrogation room and tell someone they're guilty and then only ask questions that force the suspect to answer as if they're guilty. The officer said "your innocence or guilt in this quite frankly isn't an issue." That is, actually, the biggest issue. Wow.
@Grumpy Old Man My view of it is that those working in the legal system do get away with more since they're trying to uphold justice. For example, a cop is allowed to break road rules when trying to catch someone on the road.
@Johanna Elisa Johanna if you equate police speeding to catch up to someone committing a crime to being the same as lying to them about the facts in order to coerce statements that later get twisted and used against the person, we're miles apart on whats right and wrong in the justice system... if we can't rely on truths we know to convict someone and instead depend on deceit as a primary tool, we're doing justice wrong... because thats how innocent people have ended up in prison (like the second example in the video you're commenting on), because we've allowed these abusive practices some other countries prohibit for that very reason.
I felt so bad for the first guy. He was cooperative and polite. However the investigator didn't even care to hear him out and outright told him he was going to get charged. He didn't even match the description of the suspect!
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Chris Nichols2021-12-26 22:26:54 (edited 2021-12-26 22:33:42 )
I like how you assume the detectives movements even though you can't see him. A+ Journalism... jk. The rest of the commentary and analysis was spot on. Was there a second angle or elaboration from the accused?
I believe that a good case to feature on the channel would be of Suzane Von Richthofen, from Brazil. I'm a recent subscriber and enjoyed most of the vids, but I believe that would be a very nice one due to all the details and studies around it.
13:40 Wait, why?! That sounds so backwards. Getting a confession when you have lots of evidence but not necessarily enough to get the conviction should be the mark of a good investigator. Getting one as your only piece of evidence is the opposite of what a good investigator should be doing!
This is the first video I watched on this channel & I immediately subscribed.. I absolutely love these videos, but I feel so bad for this man! It’s heartbreaking how those b!tcha$$ investigators did this man.. shame shame shame! & it’s so sad how common men & women are wrongfully accused 😥
Glad to hear they had to pay for their F up, Can't believe at the time of the arrest dude even said go ask the bus driver if I was on his bus and they didn't.
I watched this probably right when it came out and it just popped up again for me... Bugged me then, and bugs me still that both of these men were held with basically no evidence at all.
In the case of Michael Dickson you all might be interested in some extra details, on the stand one of the arresting officer's defence was that Mr. Dickson looked like a white man with a tan... The other arresting officer died from unrelated health complications before trial... what a shame... His contributions will be missed... Then the judge in closing said "... the officers were inept, arrogant and closed-minded, and they lacked experience and suffered from tunnel vision."
I've always wondered whether the innocent guy possibly committed some other crime that he wasn't even under investigation for and it put him in that state of mind or if he's just accepted they're going to find him guilty anyway. I also wonder how many times the suspect was innocent of said crime BUT had done something else horrible or worse completely unrelated and responded similarly or just a-typical of the usual innocent-response due to it.
@Kita Ehhh, I think that's a police tactic more than them having their idea about it. They figured they got the right guy and just told him "Oh yeah we know for sure it was you just admit it" to get him to give a confession more easily, especially if he was guilty he'd be more likely to. Remember, they're not always interested in justice, especially ones who are still making a name for themself, and just want a confession to put under their belt.
When being interrogated by the police and you know you haven't done anything...don't say anything but "Lawyer". Don't try to convince them that it wasn't you ,they don't care ,they've heard it before.
That detective is so sleazy, neglecting to read/ignoring the dispatch call, and then he has the nerve to say that he tries to treat everyone as an individual.
Roger Trefren2021-12-24 18:27:23 (edited 2021-12-24 18:28:58 )
I know my self how it feels like to be railroaded. Your tied to the track by the guilty person, and then the Governments like a Freight train, mangling the rest of me.
13:32 at this point i would be extremely tempted to start messing with the detective and say yes. I wonder what happens when an innocent suspect starts joking about actually having committed the crime?
Usually, they go to prison. So, best thing to do when brought to police station to "help us clear something up" -- keep mouth shut except to ask for attorney. There are many innocent people in prison because they talked to detectives.
If I was interviewed by police about something I did not do the interview would not last long and it wouldn't be due to me demanding a lawyer. Me: If I get asked the same thing more than once I'll confess. Cop: What do you mean? Did you do it? Me: Nope I just will not tolerate being asked the same thing multiple times. If I do get asked the same thing more than once I will enter a false confession so you better not do that. We all know the cops cannot resist asking the same thing more than once. So inevitably they will do that and I will tell them I want to confess and refuse to answer any further questions. Cop: You can't enter a false confession that's against the law. Me: Then don't ask me the same question more than once. Cop: I didn't ask you the same question more than once. Me: Let's go back in the recording and refresh your memory. So we go back: Cop: That's a different question. Me: No it isn't you just reworded it. Cop: It's not the same question. Me: ok I don't want a lawyer but I do want an English teacher. Cop: You're not helping yourself being like that. Me: I'm not joking I'm serious I want an English teacher.
While I do enjoy watching the videos sometimes the narrator pulling pure nonsense out his ass.
When hindsight tells you guy is innocent you say "This guy is assuming a non verbal challenge position, leaning forward and making eye contact with the detective" but when hindsight tells you he's guilty you say "he's making himself smaller, clasping his hands together in self soothing notion, and looking to the detective for approval"
My husband said he'll stay in jail falsely accused for 40,000 dollars for 3 days 🤣. The really sad one was the guy who served 2 years. I hope the girl who lied goes to jail for that.
If the police are talking to you like this they're already convinced that you're guilty. Nothing you can say will change that, they're only looking for something you say that they can use in court. Time to shut up and get a lawyer.
It’s always been guilty until proven innocent and sometimes guilty even if innocent.
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Paul Singh2021-12-25 03:42:34 (edited 2021-12-25 03:45:22 )
46k for wrongful arrest , hooohaaaa! My man got paid !, on a serious note , don’t say shit to any cop , get your call , no matter what they say do not in any way engage with them , not a single word.
My dad was accused of stealing money and was brought in to take a polygraph test…he was so scared he failed the test! Come to find out a kid was fishing out deposit bags from the bank night depository
Should’ve called the investigator on his bullshit right in the first 5 minutes and then lawyered up. I love all the anti cop stuff in the comments based on their emotional reaction to these two cases.
The officers demoted and suspended without pay should have been arrested and charged with criminal conduct of conspiracy, at a minimum.
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Dan Kelly2021-12-24 05:18:59 (edited 2021-12-24 05:27:31 )
The guy at 5:30 is guilty as hell. Look at his beard for Christ's sake. Seriously tho the narrator said the guy had no idea he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just under two years. Now this interview wasn't it done in the U.S.? Last I checked you don't go from a police interview to prison with nothing in between.
Rule #1 When being interrogated by police officers say nothing Especially if you're innocent Say one thing I want to see my lawyer that's it nothing else Because what people don't understand sometimes is these guys are not the good guys these guys are there to do a job And that job is to put somebody in prison and they don't always care if they have the right guy they care about getting their job done and that's it Say nothing except you wanna see your lawyer
ima call your bluff you dont have a video cop: of course we do we just dont need to show you or prove it the law is a joke in western society if is this allowed
Instead of deciding someone is guilty because of how he acts, how about relying on evidence instead? I know, it's because it's much easier for lazy incompetent cops.
It aint fair but life aint fair. They have a job to do. Do you want them to hold everybody's hand and sing songs? This is how it works so if your innocent tell them that and request a lawyer. Before you even shell for a lawyer just keep going to court and tell them you want a jury trial. Whether you are guilty or not they aint going to take it that far unless they have some good concrete evidence on you cause a jury trial cost hundred thousands of dollars just to start.
"You have a video? Great. Let's review it together, because I'd hate to see you found guilty of false imprisonment if I don't match the description of the thief."
He made up his mind he was guilty and because there’s no repercussion they will,continue to falsely imprison men,it only recently that women are being arrested and charged.
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Martin Spamer2021-12-22 00:30:16 (edited 2021-12-22 00:30:45 )
$46k? F that. 3.5 days of my freedom is worth a lot more than that. And they were just demoted? They should have been all fired. They have no business being in LE.
father was cop; said there are 2 many people in jail because they can not keep there mouths shut; words to remember ; i can not recalll and i want my lawyer
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Michael McGee2021-12-22 03:13:04 (edited 2021-12-25 01:09:03 )
The truth will come out? He already said he had the truth.
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John Water2021-12-22 07:25:11 (edited 2021-12-22 07:49:05 )
a cop doesn't look for truth, he looks for the best possible guilty person even if this person is innocent. Such a behaviour makes me sick and this is why so many people have no confidence for cops. Deliberately imprisoning an innocent person is outright a criminal act and the cop who commits such an act should logically be trialed and thrown in jail rather than making apology to the innocent who will have spent years behind bars because of him.
I love how the Canadian system was civil - with some wildly messed up police “work” - but ultimately it did the right thing, came to the just conclusion, made the victim whole, while holding the wrong-doers accountable. So happy to be a Canadian!
46000 dollars for 3 days of sitting in jail?? take me for a month, it will be 460 000 WOW!
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Daniel Slubski2021-12-27 20:11:35 (edited 2021-12-27 20:11:59 )
I'm an Israeli white Jewish,and i was furious to witness Michael interrogation,the only reason he was arrested is because he's a tall black man,and he even didnt say that,just the way he talked, he's job(a highly educated required )and still arrested,what a shame.
I believe the issue in being outraged here. Was one was Canada. And one was not. One had priors and one did not. I wager if Michael had been a convicted felon, he wouldn't have seen daylight as fast. And may never have seen recompense.
But Canada has done pretty bad false accusations. Romeo Phillion spent 31 years in jail for the false conviction of a murdered fireman in 1965.
Another high profile was Guy Paul Morin 1984; only spent 18 months in prison but almost 2 decades under suspicion until a family friend of Jessop (victim) was found to be the killer. The killer died without spending a day in jail for his crimes in 2015. As an aside Morin was found fully innocent by dna in 1995 or 96. But the killers identity wasn't found out till 2015. Crazy shit. And to think we are to trust the law, and police, implicitly.
The first interview? Sounds like the officer does not care at all about the truth. I wouldn't trust that man to screw in a lightbulb and tell the truth. He seems like a bumbling idiot. This poor guy is a victim of this detectives incompetent demeanor glad the man and men involved were held accountable for their idiocy.
if she was proven to lie in court, they will normally press charges, because court testimonies are supposed to be under oath ! giving a false testimony to the police or in court is illegal
Not necessarily her fault, she had to call 911 since she was the victim, and so when the cops interviewed her, they persuade her to choose a picture that best matches what she remembers even if she wasn't able to get an accurate visual on the intruder's face. It's the cops fault for ignoring the fact that she doesn't really know which person in the picture was the perpetrator, and it's most certainly the cops fault for manipulating her to choose someone (which they often do to close a case).
@Mills Dickson please keep your sexism and misogyny to yourself. She most likely did serve time, or was at least given probation/community service. Lying to police and lying under oath is illegal. It's not like she was acquitted because she was a girl stop it
Well unfortunately false accusations create a weird situation where the courts want to promote false accusers coming forward... and if false accusers see jail time then nobody would come forward with the truth, and the innocent sit in jail.
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n y m2020-10-09 01:19:42 (edited 2020-10-09 01:20:32 )
Mills Dickson Mills Dickson lmao classic meninist, it was obvious that someone broke into her house at all, so of course they would believe her no matter who she pointed out, they didnt know about her abusive boyfriend, its not a fEMaLe pRiViLegE, they were just going off of what they thought was the best logic, and it is definitely illegal to falsely accuse so she will def get charged, regardless of gender, how ignorant why even bring up gender ❄️
@Lauren Suty Most false accusations cases have the woman face no charge, and when they do, it's often just a slap on the wrist compared to what the innocent got.
@Daniel dos Santos no, you just dont hear about cases of false allegations being tried because that doesn't get views or is newsworthy. Even though women do get lighter treatment from the courts, its not because of privilege- its bc of sexism.
Daniel dos Santos huh, you mean like most rape accusations? like how most of them don't even go to court and when they do most don't end in convinction? due to lack of evidence? interesting parallels there methinks.
@Daniel dos Santos woa, learn something new everyday. I didn't know this was a thing. I just assumed false accusations would get a punishment of some sort, regardless of sex.
@Mills Dickson if there's female privilege, how are we females still suffering today? It's common sense that people think that men are superior than women.
@Lauren Suty Call it what you want, but statistically if you look at cases where men have been falsely accused of crimes by women, most women do not receive the punishment they should. Gender aside, anyone who falsely accuses someone of something should be handed the sentence the accused would have received. It's only fair.
@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! you actually think females are suffering in todays society? Is that a sarcastic statement? It must be.
@Julien B if you listened to the story properly, you can tell the guy being falsely accused already has it correct - he wasn't a random bad guy cops wanted, this couple knew this guy had priors and would be easy to have thrown in jail rather than risk the boyfriend being being locked up instead. I don't deny cop encouragement to pick faces doesn't happen, but i don't think that's the case here. The woman that got hit knew she was framing an innocent guy
@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! oh just like how white privilege means that no white person has ever suffered ever. Having privilege doesnt excuse you from the hardships of life just means you have an easier time in some places compared to others.
White women: Awmihgawd, blacks get sentenced more harshly than whites. The system is corrupt and unjust!! Also white women: Whatwhatwhaaat?? It is a slanderous lie upon our perfect justice system that women are shown more lenience than men!!
(Edit: I stand corrected on some of my statement, I hadn’t watched enough of the video to hear that she was caught lying. ) Just because she picked the wrong person doesn’t mean she was lying. It’s not uncommon for victims to have unreliable memories of traumatic situations. When they see the line up, they figure the assailant is in there, and their memory does patchwork to get them justice and relieve the situation. It can be subconscious, so when they point out the wrong person they can be telling the honest truth. That’s who their memory is now showing them did it. Aside from that, you don’t want to discourage people from picking out their attackers for fear that if they’re wrong they’ll be jailed. Persuading evidence still has to be shown in court. Justice cannot always be perfect. And false charges are a tragic outcome of that fact.
My best guess? The wrongfully accused Justin got it exactly right: Candy's boyfriend was the one who assaulted and injured her, then came up with a story for her to accuse "some convict he knew" to keep his own butt out of jail. And I know from experience (my own and some clients), a victim of that kind of domestic violence would do whatever they're told, if they're afraid enough. If the boyfriend were the one arrested that night, he'd very likely have gotten out a lot sooner, possibly by the next day. Then Candy would have had even more hell to pay, possibly with her life. To all you misogynist knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers in here, check THAT "female privilege." You either don't have a stinkin' clue when it comes to women and violence, or you know the reality just fine and you like it that way.
@Stacy M Obviously you are very much trying to prove something to someone. Likely not me specifically, but definitely someone.
What I actually said that you should do, you can easily re-read from above.
Of course you already know this, and your feigned ignorance is just a passive-aggressive tactic (conscious or not). I don't expect it to make a difference, but I am calling it out anyway.
@BornIn1500 I understand that women are much more likely to get custody of children, I also understand that women generally get lighter sentences, there are statistics on this. I wanted a source on the claim that women get away with specifically perjury more than men because lots of people here are claiming it, but I couldn't myself find any research on it. If anyone could provide a paper on perjury conviction rates it would be really helpful.
@S c I apologize, I tried to look up the case but I couldn't find it. I'm not trying to defend them I'm just saying that being overall misogynistic to a whole gender isn't necessary because of a select few women
"You're on the video camera." Michael: "Great!" "There are tons of witnesses." Michael: "Great!" You can pretty much tell he's innocent, immediately, just from that. He's comforted, rather than frightened, by the notion that the incident was captured on camera. His disappointment at realizing there was no actual camera footage could be in one of those "watch people die inside" compilations.
@A E I hope that you don't actually believe that. They will have a documentary crew with footage of the crime and your lawyer will be the one who tells you during discovery.
This happened to me as part of a car accident investigation. Lady blew a red and I t-boned her. Late night, no witnesses. I was like 19 probably. Lady claimed I ran the light. Cop tells me there's street cameras so tell the truth. I reply, "awesome, then you'll see that I told you is what's up." Cop: uhhh, there's no camera, sorry.
I was sort of surprised it never crossed his mind that maybe they got someone who looked similar to him or dressed the same on camera. It was literally the first thing that I thought when he said that, I mean WE know that the description of the perpetrator is the complete opposite to him but he doesn't. I would have thought "maybe that's why I'm being wrongly accused"
@Ziqrek How do you know it didn't cross his mind? He seems very intelligent and said the smart thing to say. IF the guy looks similar, his reaction still works in his favor, because is "happy" to see evidence he believes to be in his favor.
If he said "Maybe there is someone that looks like on camera" instead, it would seem hesitant and like he is already making up possible excuses, even if it's a perfectly rational assumtion.
@A E Yeah they would not show him a darn thing. They are motivated by getting charges and convictions, they do not care if you are innocent. Lawyer up, shut up.
His mistake was not being an advocate for himself.
"You're on the video camera." -> "Show me the video, and I'll show you where you are wrong."
"There are tons of witnesses." -> "No there aren't, but there will be some at the civil trial when I have your badge."
"After I got off the bus and some cop arrested me. Get the bus driver in here, right now because I couldn't have possibly done this crime since I was someplace else."
"Oh you lied about the footage? What else are you lying about. Tell me, what did this guy who robbed the store look like? Are you sure he looked like me?"
"Did you talk to my boss? I just got off work, so between my boss and the driver, you know where I was, and when I was there."
If this guy was more assertive, he would have been home in time for corn flakes. He deserved far more that 47k for bad investigators stealing some of his freedom, however fleeting.
Poor 2nd dude... I feel so bad for him, that's such a normal reaction to an innocent person. I would've done the same thing, I would've gotten annoyed and angry too if I was unfairly accused by a crazy woman...
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J. A.2021-05-30 22:33:56 (edited 2021-05-30 22:34:26 )
he remained calmly which it gave it away. should have acted with anger like the 1st dude, he wouldn't have to be there for 3 days
@Charles G White 'pride' is not something to be proud of, it is typically associated with you thinking you are better than everyone else. Can I suggest you don't cherry pick things that fit your narrative, instead look at statistics to refute/backup your narrative from reliable sources, ie government statistics departments.
@Hadley Pettigrew Your associations are false. Ridiculous prejudiced nonsense. If you want to talk government statistics why don't you look up crime rates in the us by race vs likelihood of getting killed by cops and realize he's absolutely right.
If you're in the interrogation room they assume you're guilty. At that point it's their job to get a confession or get you to incriminate yourself. Regardless of either parties race.
@Jon M no, we’re talking about the fact that the call identifies a small white man and they arrested a 6 foot 3 black man. it has nothing to do with the interrogation room, and everything to do with the fact that the detective is racist.
@jeremy steele 😂😂😂 someone is a little uptight huh? Did he hurt your feelings by failing to make a bold accusation without any evidence? In fact did you know eye witness reports are one of the least trustworthy pieces of info and alot high ranking investigators actually have said that they shouldn't be used as evidence? It's wild huh?
@Killer Macchiato 'eyewitness reports are one of the least trustworthy pieces of info' as opposed to what in this case? lmao. please point out solid evidence that justified them arresting the first black man they saw
@Zia Oh absolutely, Let's not acknowledge black individuals being falsely imprisoned and injustice in places. Let's stop talking about a system that suppresses minorities, and hope it suddenly dissappear 😊
@Corey The black man was from Canada which likely contributing to a lesser sentence. But if it was in the same manner, I highly doubt the white man would get a higher sentence in the US
@HakunaMatata-W If we point out race in every single thing we see, then yea, it’s always going to be racist. I’m not talking about actual crimes against black people purely bc they’re black, or bc of the recent attacks against Asian people. Because in those instances, it is a race issue. But if we try to make everything racist or everyday instances where blacks are mistreated, the equality line gets misconstrued. We need to treat every case blind to race, not see them as a “minority” but as an individual, a person. If it turns out to be a race issue, it’s a race issue, if not then it’s a normal crime that could be targeted toward anybody.
@Lottie Roberts No proof of racism more like incompetence, especially somewhere like Canada I'm sure if they believed racism was involved they would of faced harsher consequences then just being demoted.
Did you even watch the video? If you're in that situation in REAL LIFE and you're facing multiple years in prison over a felony you're wrongly accused of.. I highly doubt there will be a 0% chance you won't be laughing.
@omginvalid I laugh at incredibly uncomfortable situations. I once said I could murder someone with the anger I've been feeling to a psychiatrist and she all of a sudden got quiet and all serious.. "Really?" then she repeated it. And I laughed 😅 Knowing full well she was about to call someone to get me and lock me away for the time being and that my freedom was at stake haha. But no ofc not. We all react differently to being accused.
@Ina Your therapist probably thought you were just cringey. A lot of people could murder people out of rage and that is exactly what a therapist is there for. They wouldn't lock you up for that in the first place.
omginvalid I was falsely arrested and I could only manage to cry the entire time lol. I can laugh about it now, but damn at the time I was in a dark place.
@omginvalid You've no idea what you're talking about. Any indication of homicidal or suicidal desire they're taught to treat as serious as possible and act immediately. She got proper serious and interrogated me on it a few more times I visited. Also "therapist"? Who mentioned a therapist? Also, speaking of therapists, these two criteria ("threat to society or yourself") are the only ones that allow a therapist to breach the confidentiality contract.
Exactly. Why would I rob a jewellery store when I already have a good paying job and don't need more money. I live a pretty minimalist lifestyle, I don't do hookers and coke.
@Ina we get it , you like to behave like an edgelord and think its cool to make "normal" people be like "wtf" then when people call you out on that you get all defensive.. everyone knows some people like that.. you are probably still a teenager.. because i was like that back then too ;) in some years you will also realize that its cringey and that u benefit in no way from that kind of behavior
@Dagobert Duck You need to realise not everyone on this planet is like you. First mentioning a completely different mental health professional from what I mentioned and saying you know what they do when you clearly do not. And then thinking I am you for some reason? Clap clap, not my fault you didn't get mental health support when you needed it, chap. I got up and visited one on my own. It's never too late 😉 Also teenager? I wish.
@Dagobert Duck Ah, you're a different person. My bad. What I said still stands. Minus the therapist mention part. People love to praise and screech mental health awareness, but when someone fitting appears suddenly they're an edge lord. An example was supportive of the main comment, so I used it when people had opposing claims. Does that hurt you? Aw
@Ina Nothing about your comment hurts me xD it just seemed like you tryhard in a comment just to seem special and "different" in a crazy way I also do weird shit like laughing when i get accused of something i didnt do.. because its just funny when once you tell the truth but someone thinks you are guilty.. but in the cases where u actually did something wrong people believed you..then you laugh and most people see it as proof that you are guilty xD It was just how you told it.. i actually dont even know anymore why i responded.. to each their own :P seems pretty dumb to discuss about something like that tbh haha
@omginvalid There is a difference between a psychiatrist, therapist and a psychologist. Though for the last two not important for this conversation so I will put them together and won't even go into that.
A psychiatrist doesn't perform talk therapy with you and you do not go to weekly sessions to speak with them. They ask you what is wrong the first time you come around and then they prescribe you medicine for your troublesome symptoms and you leave. You usually come back every month or even less just to check how the medicine is working and if it is giving you serious side effects or making the problem you came for even more severe, to see if the dose needs tweaking. Though if the medicine starts failing you in a major way, you start going a bit more often, but that is so rare since most medicine takes weeks or up to a month to start working.
A psychologist and a therapist cannot prescribe you medicine. You go to them, usually once a week for an hour or sometimes even more often, to rant about your problems or to develop new coping skills aka talk therapy. A psychologist or a therapist usually refer you to a psychiatrist when they know you will need medicine because it's beyond their area of expertise. When you go into a state such as psychosis (hallucinations and delusions) for example. Because these cannot be alleviated just with talk therapy.
The only time those three can do a confidentiality breach is if you are a threat to yourself or society. Any serious mention of murder/suicide and they're already on their way of reporting you. Even a joke about it has the power to get you in a lot of trouble if the psychiatrist/therapist/psychologist dealt with a similar subject in the past and didn't react fast enough back then.
I mean, if you're up for it. Go to a therapist and speak about your serious murderous desire and see for yourself. I never understood people speaking so confidently on something they know nothing about.
ps. I still deal with major anger, but no homicidal desire whatsoever, that was some kind of short lived climax back then So no need to get worried for the people around me x
gentleman is getting accused of murder (knowing he is innocent) then told he will be put in jail for awhile... his first thought is; "can I please call my work to let them know I won't be in?"... employee of the year right here! 🙏🙌
@Aaron When the police have a history of not being racially bias I'll afford them that luxury. Until then, they have to earn it for a history of not preventing it. Strangely, they've earned to be grouped by that specific trait.
@Tucanforpres001 Unlikely. He was the first person they saw after the first guy had run off, so it is probably not racially motivated. More likely is that they didn't want to go to the police station empty handed so they got the first person they saw so as to not seem incompetent. In trying to hide their stupidity, all they did was highlight it.
@Tucanforpres001 You're still judging the heavy majority by the acts of the minority, pretty sure a bunch of terrible life situation could be avoided by not doing that.
@Aaron I'm rejecting that it is a minority entirely. I'm firmly stating it is a majority of police that use and allow this behavior. Any amount you suggest that disagree with it but do nothing to prevent it are complicit in the actions due to their failure. Police have a history of racial bias and always have. That is a simple fact. Never in their history did they not have a racial bias. Suggesting that a standard practice for centuries in authority exists isn't an insult. It's a fact. If the police wish to change their image, they should start at actually changing their actions.
@Timber Stalker they willingly ignored the description of the assailant did not fit the description of the man in custody. They picked up a 6'3 black man instead of a short white man. Then when he had an alibi they refused to check it for 3 days and lied that they had footage of him doing it when their own evidence contradicted he was even the guy. That is racially motivated. Everything points to the black guy being innocent but he must have done it cause he was a black guy in the area
@Tucanforpres001 Okay great, you can have your opinion, I'll never agree that it's a police culture like you seem to think, I think that's the kind of dangerous mentality that gets people killed, but I'm not going to change your mind on YouTube comments.
@Aaron then you should do some deep investigation and research into the history of police in society and discover that racial bias in police isn't an opinion. It is a historical fact.
@Aaron there is a large body of research that very explicitly indicates that the police is racially biased on a systemic level. Here's a research doc that shows some of these studies https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ido70LgXsEhxcnyXE7RVS0wYJZc6aeVTpujCUPQgTrE/mobilebasic (sorry I'm just lazily throwing a research document that talks about more than just this issue, but I think that it's a good starting point if you want to learn about these problems )
@Matt curry My point is don't judge the majority on the actions of the minority, someone who genuinely believes the majority of cops are racist isn't going to take on board anything I have to say so yeah, this is my stopping point.
@Tucanforpres001 I need to point out that this specific case was in Canada where racial tensions aren't nearly as high as in the U.S. It does look like the investigators were looking for quick promotions (I think the atypical behaviour was completely irrelevant in this case as the cops didn't even bother to fact check his alibi) and the guy was unfortunate enough to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. As a Canadian myself I have a really really hard time imagining these people purposely not giving this guy a fair chance just cause of the color of his skin... He was extremely polite and cooperative too.
I also have to point out the huge confirmation bias in this thread in general. If you already believe that every cop is racist then you'll look for every possible proof that solidifies that belief and ignore anything that could challenge it. That's human nature. We're bad at reason.
@Aaron I’m willing to bet you have a blue lives matter flag hanging off the back of your Ford F-150? Law enforcement is corrupt and whether you’re willing to see that or not, does not mean it’s not there. You have to judge the majority because that majority knows it’s happening and they’re letting it happen which makes them apart of the problem. Protecting another officers racist or biased actions, such planting evidence, feeds this issue. Please think about that the next time you get pulled over for going 90 in a 55, and get off with a warning. Many aren’t as privileged as you and I so use that privilege to help fix the issue. Or keep making a fool of yourself to protect your massive ego, but remind yourself that a large ego won’t fix your disabling low self esteem, many would call that racism.
Well he wasn't a woman, so almost complete. Regardless he was clearly just looking to frame him, and close the case. Just to earn some points and make his life easier.
@ParanormalTacoz You hit the nail on the head. It isn't just racial bias, the police have a history of multiple prejudices against many different types of people in general as well. For example, low income or poor people.
@Aaron Lol bruh avoiding an entire opinion about the police because "its the mentality that gets people killed" is just terrible lmao. 😭shouldn't have to be that way.
@Timber Stalker I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the arrest, in the heat of the moment they might have forgotten about the description. But the moment they reviewed the call before the interrogation they should've realized they got the wrong guy
@Aaron you’re saying don’t judge the minority of the actions for the majority. You’re right! So you must agree since the majority of the time, (entire US history) the police have had a racial bias! Which means that the minority is not racially biased, correct?
@yeet yeet potato skeet I doubt they simply forgot the description of the man. Plus, they were chasing him, so they would’ve gotten a glance. What they did was consistent with them hiding a mistake. They tried REAL hard to get the guy to confess, which would have helped them immensely but he simply didn’t.
@Timber Stalker oh yeah you're right forgot they were already chasing him beforehand so they'd already at least have a rough idea of his height. sorry about that one, not my brightest moment haha.
@Tucanforpres001 so you could say "when non White people don't want to be seen as criminal they shouldn't get involved in criminal activities" which is as stupid as stigmatizing every cop as a racist.
@MrSearaphim yeah. You shouldn't blame people because of their social backround, ethnicity, cultural backhround or even the job they are working in. Even if the majority is involved doesn't give anyone the right to blame someone without proof that the individual person is at fault. Black people are not all criminals and police not all racist. Just treat every person as an individual.
@ParanormalTacoz with that logic you have to blame black and hispanic people for beeing criminal and Others black or hispanic people that know about it are also at fault? So everyone in the ghettos is a criminal? Also Not every black man is not privileged that is a stupid idiologic way to think. Or do you really think that a homeless white man is still more "privileged" than a wealthy black man? Black people have Problems in society but blaming all White people as privileged and for some White people even blaming themselves for beeing White and privileged is only Helping themselves in their narcistic way and not helping non white people.
@Tucanforpres001 in my opinion, the detective is full of bull crap and this is most likely off of his own racial bias. But I don't like the fact that people only see the bad and cops and don't see the good cops. What about the cops of color? I feel bad for the cops who are actually not racially biased and do a good job and still get bull crap from people who group people. We are all individuals and none of us are the same. This detective is a bad representative doesn't mean that all detectives are the same.
@MrSearaphim confirmation bias only seeks answers to back up their existing beliefs. I'm simply looking at the facts. Description doesn't fit, they could easily verify his alibi, assumed guilt cause he was in the area, etc. One it looks like they're lazy. Two it looks like once they found a black man they figured they had their man. Three they were so confident it had to be a black man they ignored an entirely different Description of the perpetrator.
Regardless of it happening in Canada there is a racial bias in police forces. I'm not just saying in the US but racial profiling exists in basically every country and has been a standard practice of policing for centuries.
@HoloCasey they dont get entire heights and the color of the suspect wrong. You dont say it was a small white man an it ends up being a tall black man.
@Kitkat 240Criminal statistics based on race have inherent bias because they result from wherever the police force is interested in patrolling more than anything. Wherever the police are more likely to look for crime they will find crime.
@Victoria 17 Good cops don't exist if they allow bad cops to do as they please. Whenever I start seeing the good cops arrest the bad cops we can start saying they exist. Otherwise they're in a fraternity trying to cover for each other like a gang
@Kingof Grim Nah gonna have to disagree with that one. Its definitely case by case and the minority. Maybe if we were living in the 1960's or 80's but not in 2021. Its definitely case by case.
@HoloCasey pretty huge leap when going from “short white male” being described in the recorded call from dispatch to the police arresting a tall black man. And if it was a mistake, that’s still an issue. Police and other authority figures are human but because of their authority and responsibility need to be held to a higher standard.
@Kylskadathey were suspended cause they got caught and the hands were forced. If they really didn't tolerate lying and failing to do their job in any way they would have been fired. Getting a vacation isn't a punishment
@Tucanforpres001 white ppl got an history of racial bias tho- Why aint we hating on em ? Oh right common sense only works partially when its bout you or ppl similar. Which I don’t condemn you’re allowed to not give af as long as it aint bout you but dont do the same shit to other ppl then.
@Tucanforpres001 "When the police have a history of not being racially bias I'll afford them that luxury. Until then, they have to earn it for a history of not preventing it. Strangely, they've earned to be grouped by that specific trait."
@MrSearaphim As a Canadian, you should know better to ignore the many documented instancse of systemic racism agaisnt indigenous people by police. Not even 20 years ago, officers were caught giving starlight tours and killing indigenous people for shits and giggles, and the entire thing was covered up by the system. We are not much better than America.
@Tucanforpres001 true, but there was a white guy being falsely accused too. And he actually got in prison for it.. I mean you're correct police does have a racial bias I believe, but this doesn't mean it doesn't happen to all races.
@Tucanforpres001 saying all cops are racist is just as laughably stupid as saying all black people are criminals. Dont label a group because some of them are bad. I promise, PROMISE you the stats will not support your side at all
@R B Police forces have a history of racism ingrained into their culture. I havent seen that broken. I dont see cops preventing other cops on camera from stepping over the line. I dont see cops trying to prevent corruption within their ranks. I dont see cops trying to prevent racist behavior either. Alot of talk, very little action. The simple fact the cop in this video is straight up lying and trying to frame someone for a crime and not even going to the extent to check out their alibi is ridiculous, and y'all want to act like that behavior is rare? It isnt. Thats standard policing in the world. Failure to even do the job correctly.
@Siebe Leurink no he didn't go to prison for the crime, he was held in jail for 2 years awaiting his court date because he had priors in his criminal record and this investigation was a violation of his parole. He lost two years cause of the design of the system.
@DayBeforeTomorrow I'd have to see unjust results first. All the cops that try to act like they're good usually end up showing they arent good cops and they have a bad history
@Lynn' Ayra It also depends on where you live, if you're in America, you're protected under the 6th Amendment. But I agree, policemen who accuse people because of their racial bias deserves to be fired from their jobs.
@JJPizzaDelivery And when they don't respect this right, they "investigate" themselves and find nothing wrong. I'm living in France, what they tried to do was BANNING the recording of cops, after WAY too many got exposed having fun shooting (non lethal, but can still permanently injure someone, taking an eye out for example) at protesters. Them being filmed also saved a music producer when cops broke into his home/studio (not sure about that last word i can look it up if you are interested, but only french source probably) without being allowed to, just to beat him. Our government tries to cater to the racists, the xenophobic, and straight up ignores everything else. We are going head first in the same direction than the US (we might get someone even more fucked up as a president. Not a bigoted idiot, but a real racist, xenophobic,supremacist party, who would have zero remorse tanking the entire country just for their agenda)
@Tucanforpres001 its not racism its classism. You really think a cop is gonna give a crackhead the benefit of the doubt regardless of skin color? You cant blame police for being more apprehensive and tired when dealing with certain people when those people are the ones always committing crimes. And no im not talking about a race here im talking about drug users and the homeless
@R B this dude was a calm black man without a history of committing crimes and was treated like he had and was certainly guilty despite all evidence against it. Thats a racial bias. And no, one race isn't more likely to commit crimes. Racial profiling has resulted in a bias in patrols which leads to confirmation bias
@MrSearaphim Canada is the cousin/ sibling of US lmao. Let's not and America's racism is hyper-visualized because they're actually showing and accepting racism exists unlike Canada and multiple countries in Europe who lie to sweep racism under the rug and act like it's only an American issue. How does small white man switch to tall black man if not racism?
@R B I don't think he means actively racist. Personally, I do agree most cops seem to have a racial bias against minorities(whether conscious or not). I agree with the negative impacts of labelling groups, but I would have to say cops, or rather people in general, are all racially biased. America has systemic racism, and it certainly affects people today. For example, one of the most notable examples are the wage gaps. The wage gaps, most apparent when comparing white to minorities, symbolize this ingrained thinking.
This part is my opinion, don't bash me too hard about it if you disagree.
The term Racist seems to incite defensive behavior. From both personal experience and hearing others, people try to justify actions and saying they are or aren't racist. For example, when asking some older relatives, they unknowingly said some obviously not okay things about other religions. When confronted straightfowardly, they seem to usually deny that they were wrong then justify themselves something akin to, "But some of my best friends are___". I think this response has changed the perspective of the meaning. Racist now seems to mean more extreme behavior. Tuscanforpres probably meant the former meaning. However, I can assure you the vast majority of people are racist anywhere in the world. Although it doesn't mean extreme behavior in the majority of cases, people definitely do have bias, racial and other. It's kind of how you look at a stranger or someone with limited info and try to generalize who they are. They might have some similar behavior in preference ect, but it doesn't justify those labels.
@MrSearaphim I am also Canadian. The racial element of this video hadn't even occurred to me until I began reading the comments. The people who want to keep racism alive and well use phrases like 'systemic racism. Words. Vote.
@Tucanforpres001It's horrible to see misinformation spread here with so much blind support. No, there is not a history of racial bias by cops. The data is available. See Coleman Hughes, Larry Elder, Heather McDonald, etc. There has been extensive research done of the subject. While the media would have you thinking differently, the facts show that white males are far more likely to be arrested. Also, minorities are less likely to be arrested by white cops. You don't get to make up your own "facts". I'm very familiar with the data and your claims are completely wrong.
@Violet Joy The police have a long history of persecuting and attacking black individuals in the past. They actively allowed the KKK to commit mob justice and in many cases they overlapped. While you're talking about data, I'm talking about culture. I'm not talking crime stats, I'm talking the culture of police as an institution. Beyond that into data, talk radio hosts aren't good evidence of statistical research. Instead we could look at actual researchers and organizations dedicated to this topic that actually knows how to read and run regressions, ANOVA, CI, etc. Elder on the otherhand never studied statistics, mathematics, data analytics, coding programs and languages, etc. You know who has though? Myself. I've studied statistics, mathematics, data analytics, coding programs and languages, etc. I can tell you this, none of your sources ever studied any of these subjects Attorneys aren't taught any of these subjects. Graphing isn't covered during Torts in 1L.
@Tucanforpres001 Unless you're referring to certain states prior to the 60s, none of what you said is accurate. You must not be familiar with Heather McDonald. She has done the most extensive research there is on the subject. Coleman Hughes and Larry Elder get their facts largely from her work. There was a Harvard study done by Roland Fryer who actually set out to prove racial bias in cops. Guess what he found out? He was dead wrong. Are you suggesting you know more than these two people? Heather McDonald has written books showing the detailed data. You might want to check into that.
As far as "cop culture", I absolutely hate to see anyone abuse their authority. Police officers who do not follow the rules and guidelines should be removed from their position and face appropriate consequences for their actions. However, while there are those who are less than honorable and some who are downright crooked, the vast majority are not. We can look at the data for that, otherwise there is nothing conclusive to go by.
The culture that causes blacks the most problems is the stereotypical "black culture", for which there is a long history. It comes from the southern states which stem from Northern England. If you're item to learning, check out the book (available on Audible) called "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". It's really interesting and shows the history of the states that we never learned. Anything written by Thomas Sowell is eye opening. He's been doing research on these subjects for over 5 decades.
@Aaron We're not even sure there was any racism at play here. I'm not sure why the description was ignored, but we shouldn't automatically assume it was done with racist intent. Maybe it was, but we don't know. At least there was nothing to support that idea that I saw in the interview.
Had a police officer have his hand on his gun when he came up to my house when I went to see what was going on. Turns out my neighbor got the cops called out on him and I almost got shot and he felt threatened by my size..
This thread is.. A bunch of activists from USA (who have no connection with Canada or Canadians whatsoever) being experts in Canadian law, and are more right than the real Canadians talking about their laws and cops....
Well, sounds about right.. sounds about American..!
@Shardul Shankar It was like, a BIG number, right? Like so many that if you saw it in a horror movie you'd be like "Okay that sounds a little far fetched."
@TheSuckoShow Oh yeah.. the amount of Americans who act as experts of world matter that doesn't concern them is baffling.. They are exactly how the saying goes "Jack of all trades......"
@Shardul Shankar I'm just sayin', you guys do have a problem with institutional racism up there, right?
So the assumption that that would extend to your police is like assuming that you guys also eat food. The inverse is so implausible that it's silly to even consider it.
@AndreasJake You’re applying logical and honest thinking to a corrupt and insane process. Catching them in a lie doesn’t force them to behave. He still would have had to wait in a cell. I’m not arguing with you. Just pointing out that ordinary logic doesn’t work within the legal system
@TheSuckoShow Oh dear.. A lot of projections and assumptions and plausibilities and implausibilities on your part, mate. It's not healthy to live in misery on behalf of others.
@Tucanforpres001 the clearly have reasons to be biased, the majority of violent crimes that occur are committed by one racial group, would you not be more biased towards that group?
@Tucanforpres001 that's also not true. You can't just say shit like that. That's generalising and you seen to not like its use in every other place. Quit being a hypocrite and lying
@ParanormalTacoz I'm willing to bet you have something with ACAB on it. Pathetic bias, you seem to think that you generalising a group of people is fine, but when others do it it's bad? Hypocrisy at it's peak
@Skyler Patches the George Floyd one was the police's fault, if you knew anything about policing you would know that. He fucked up procedure, and caused involuntary manslaughter.
@Tucanforpres001 HOW how does it look like that? They literally fucking state why they took him in. He was the first one out of the alleyway that the suspect entered. The detective is just being lazy and not like any of what he said would hold up in court. Nice try pretending you aren't biased
@Tucanforpres001 what? That's also a dumb thing to say because there will be more policing in areas of more crime. How do you not know the difference between correlation and causation? Are you three years old?
@Tucanforpres001 they do, hard for you to hear when you close your ears to everything though. But there are also a lot less bad cops than you think. But I'm not surprised you don't understand that
@Spartan Martell victimising is pathetic and a coping mechanism to avoid blaming yourself, people with no knowledge of how the police work use it a lot. It's wrong 99% of the time. Quit making police violence or racial bias seem common
@Megazerik he wouldn't go to jail as they would just use the call log in court to be proved wrong. Yes the detective was wrong here, but it wasn't racial bias it was being lazu
@Tucanforpres001 well it's suspended without pay, so it's not a vacation. I don't know much about how the suspensions work other than that because I never have been myself
@GoatBMT clearly to who? Clearly to a blind man apparently based on how wrong you are. Try and jump to conclusions quicker to support your own views. Your bias is showing
@DayBeforeTomorrow it's such a stupid point. It's like saying "white people have a history of slavery, when they stop having a history of slavery I will trust them" it's the past. A long time in the past. Almost none of the cops in the modern day share that outdated view.
@nonedescriptivepresence. So? You think they are the same now? That's like saying, humans started out as apes so they are obviously still the same. It's a mute point and one that is pointless to make
@Goop Guy the description of the suspect doesn't fit him at all. They're not just being lazy they also genuinely think he probably did it just for who he is. Thats why they dont follow up on his alibi for 3 days.
@Goop Guy dude the only one saying shit is you. Your only rebuttal is just say it didn't happen and then begin trying to tag me with a qualifier. The police industry has a racial history. It always has. Racial profiling is also ingrained in the culture and training. These are facts.
@R B it's also about manners or the lack there of in the lower classes. If your nice to the police they are more likely to let you off a ticket. Still gonna arrest you for breaking the law. Seen too many officials with lots of money thinking they are above it only to get thrown out of the car and arrested.
@comp uter America has an issue but it's a fraction of the size than it would be shown as if you only loom at twitter clips. People who know nothing about it and lie make that view seem true. It's not
@comp uter because he came out of the same alleyway. They would have arrested a tall white man if he was the first one out. This cop sucks, but that's because he's lazy, you can't just say he's racist without any proof.
@Cameron Ding it's your opinion and all, but saying wrong things on the internet because you know nothing about how policing works will dictate how people see there own views. And if you validate the idiots and wannabe terrorists into thinking all cops are bad. then it won't help much
@Tucanforpres001 yeah literally many decades ago. Racism was legal on the past, doesn't mean it's legal today. Your point is stupid, the past is not the same as the present
@tardis022 so? He has all right to hold the gun, doesn't mean he was going to shoot you. That's illogical, he wouldn't have shot you unless you ran at him or went out of your way to get him to shoot you. Look at suicide by cop
@Rojea they aren't biased, they may be more on edge in poor neighborhoods but that doesn't mean they are more likely to arrest someone. Hell they want the people there to like them most of the time so will let people off of small stuff from time to time. But whatever you say
@Tucanforpres001 what? You do know that they would have checked the Alibi immediately if they believed that's who he was? Why waste the time? They were lazy, the former option is easier so they went with that instead of searching. Nothing to do with race no matter how much you twist it and think you understand how the detective thinks
@Tucanforpres001 I like how the one person (Violet Joy) gave a whole long list of reasons of why every claim you made is misinformation and bias of yourself towards your hate for cops is wrong and even brought up names of people who actually did such intensive research that you just assumed they were randoms. And you still have the audacity to keep talking your shit while ignoring everything they proved you wrong about
Now don't get me wrong I'm not defending cops but to say that every police system ever is crooked bc it's ingrained into this "culture" is just flat out wrong we can all agree that a majority are good, you However clearly only expose yourself to the bad parts of the police force with only bad stories of bad cops winning while ignoring all the good ones and the ones that do get rid of bad cops don't bother replying to me bc I'd rather see you finally respond to Violet joy and get proven wrong again
@Tucanforpres001 You say it’s a “proven fact” that police have always been racist and “never haven’t been”. Proven by who? I don’t believe you -show me the proof.
And don’t think that 115 glue eaters upvoting your comment equals you being right, because that’s only the result of our epidemic of sycophantic conformity.
@Goop Guy alright mister smart. Who TF calculated that shit when you can't even say for certain about an individual if he or she is racially biased. You cant just make an assumption and state it as a fact.
@Aaron BUT what we’re saying is that it’s not a minority, it’s a considerably large part of the whole system, also even if it was a minority its still a problem that has yet to be addressed by the police themselves for centuries…
@AndreasJake he could’ve but even if they did have footage they wouldn’t have to show it to him, also so people use evidence to create stories that will fit their narrative
@Kaytie Spears this exactly! it also leads into the courts because a lot of people who have richer background are able to afford better lawyers and those who are poor and cannot often are given plea deals without even being guilty of committing the crime
@Kitkat 240 ?? the topic was that there is racial bias in the police system. so rather than “shouldn’t get involved in criminal activities”, people of color are already painted out as criminals, without having committed any crimes… did you even watch the video that’s the focus of this comment section? our point is that even without criminal activity people of color are targeted more compared to white people. also if you wanna use that saying then in theory white people should be targeted more because they commit more criminal offenses than any other race…
@Kai Pierre my Point was you shouldn't See all cops as racist because there are racist cops in the Police force. Same for black people. Black people are human beeings and not all bad because some idiots can't behave themselves. I think Police should be screened more to find Out racial tendencies but framing them as all racist isn't helping anyone.
@Kitkat 240 in my belief i don’t think it’s a minority of officers based on repetitive statistics over the past couple of centuries. so it still doesn’t make sense on how a generalization that applies to a majority shouldn’t be applied to the police force. also i’m not saying the officers are cognitively racist but that racist practices have become so normalized in the police force that they aren’t deemed as racist, which in itself is a problem.
@Kai Pierre the thing is that proofing racism isn't that easy. And statistics are hard to find because of that. If you Look BLM sources no Wonder Police are racist but that would be like reading a statistic about how good trump as president is from himself. There is a small Part of Police that is proofable racist. Exactly Like there is a Part of black that are criminal. That doesn't mean WE should see them as that. Because in the Police force and in the black communities are individuals.
@Kai Pierre I know because it happened to me in a sense. I got swept into an acquaintance's drug deal for just being in her car when she sold pills to an informant with a wire. Spent 18 months in jail waiting for court to finish out because I couldn't afford an attorney.
@Kitkat 240 … i didn’t mean stats from organization. rather from the government websites that report on crime. also as a said it can be an unconscious response (meaning we also, as citizens, might not recognize these wrongdoings because we are so desensitized to them). and besides the factor of racism what would cause the police to unfairly target more minorities than white people than the ideology that’s based off of race. if i may ask what would your beliefs be for why minorities are so disproportionately arrested (i won’t focus on conviction and imprisonment because i already know that another cause for those is classism)
@Aaron 'i'm just gonna ignore every piece of evidence out there becauase i'm white and it'd be an inconvenient truth for me' might aswell be what you just said
@wolololer Bro this video focuses on a black male being held despite having an alibi and not fitting the description of the suspect. There's no reason for it other than racial
@Sinister Leviathan It sounds like you're believing fantasies instead of reality. All police systems have corruption. Humans are flawed machines that commit mistakes and let bias influence their decisions. If your naive enough to think that somehow there is a magic system that doesnt become corrupted by their failures then have at it.
To be fair, in some cases descriptions are not that great. You don't have to believe the descriptions, they can easily be fake. Imagine a scenario where me an my black friend rob a store. I can act as a vitness and say that the thief was white. So yes, police officers don't need to follow the description, it is just a possible help.
@Timber Stalker however in the 911 call the suspect is said to be a small white man=suspect so it still makes no sense to arrest Michael. Now I don’t want to get into an online argument I just wanted to point out that if they listened to the 911 call more specifically then they wouldn’t have been as incompetent and arrested a large black dude=Michael who was the complete opposite of the suspect.
The first one wasn't a bad excuse, however what they did about the alibi is bad.
I was just saying why stuff like this happens, I did not try to defend this officer though because I don't know what he wanted to do. Why are we applying the "racist until proven not racist" on the officer now? He could just be a bad person.
@Kai Pierre the exact reasons are too complex. In Ghettos the reason is often because they are poor and don't no it better. Gang criminality for example. Like in racist familys people hate Others White or non White Just because they don't know better. And yes non White people can be racist too. Because in black communities for example are White people a minority so they are excluded or worse harmed just because they are different. It is a Problem in Berlin, Germany for example. Some Public schools in Berlin have a high minority rate and non minorities get attacked. Because the in Germany non minorities are a minority in the Public schools in some Problem districts.
@N M It's obviously a racial bias. He failed to uphold his duty by treating them fairly and the department ended up having to pay out for it. There is no reason to not check the alibi.
@N M a detective ignoring the evidence in order to convict a black man and refusing to even acknowledge they may have the wrong man very much looks like a racial bias.
@Star Commander Dúnadan SonoftheWest KANGAROO COURT???? Damn I forgot, it’s perfectly legal to choke someone to Death for 9 minutes when they are immobile and unable to move, bc they had a history of criminal charges.
@Goop Guy I’m so sorry to find out ur not satirically trolling us. I hope as you progress thru school you’ll begin to do some research on these things, as I did when I was younger. Maybe one day you’ll change ur POV after u get smacked in the face with the facts
@N M it’s not “absolutely nothing” How the fuck does someone who is the OPPOSITE of the description not only wrongfully arrested, but treated like a criminal when there was so much evidence proving he was innocent. This is just one obvious common sense case of racism that you are choosing to ignore bc it doesn’t fit ur narrative. Ironic how republicans usually complain about this on the other side of the coin. (Not saying leftists don’t do it, just clear bias there too :)
@Goop Guy Nope no acab here, we need police, but they corruption is and always has been there. "generalising a group of people" like how black and hispanic men and women are generalised? It's not a bias, it's the ability to open my eyes and see that what is happening is wrong. There are plenty of cops who are wonderful, but when people of a race(who should just been seen as Americans) are terrified of walking down the street because their brother or friend or maybe even their parent died. Thats an issue, its not bias its the view of the millions who are affected by us. Its not hypocrisy when police use "past experiences or intution" as an excuse for murder.
@Sith Ticklefingers The balance of the law has been destabilized for decades. I don't understand why all of you believe that you're more gifted than anyone else. All anyone wants is for this bullshit to stop. Don't blame it on crime because crime is at the rate it is because of brutality. They got brutal, so the gangs got brutal too. The only way this shit ends is reform of our justice system as a whole, and that can't stop with the gangs or traffickers that has to start in departments.
@Tucanforpres001 you really just used the line "humans are flawed machines" it's like I'm arguing with an edgy 14 year old, how about you hop off your couch get away from the news that only feeds you negative stories and actually do research, research the things Violet Joy gave you, you touch on nothing she said once again proving that you don't know anything you just really don't like cops and for whatever reason want to spread such misinformation about them, if I'm living in a fantasy then you're living in one messed up Dystopia thinking every single police system has corruption, and just like you said no one's perfect and you're perfectly displaying your bias towards cops letting it influence everything you say without actually knowing, the irony is so thick here that's it's funny, it seems some of us are more flawed than others
@Sinister Leviathan I'm literally an economist and paralegal with a specialization in research. I'm gonna guess only one of us knows how to search through scholarly journals.
@Sinister Leviathan Also Violets argument is research done by a bunch of conservative talking heads who have no historical training in statistics which I addressed but you didn't read. I already tore them down.
@Goop Guy Racial bias plays a huge role in our justice system. Him being just a black man makes him an easier target. The detective having his information still wanted this man to confess to a crime he didn't commit because he knows how skewed the justice system is when persecuting black men.
@Goop Guy Why I said hyper visualized. I'm also not even on twitter and I see these clips. So many things happen behind the screens that we aren't aware of. Denying the presence of racism is more damaging to the system as a whole.
@Tucanforpres001 you "tore" them down and then she answered back saying how actually you're wrong here's the research and what they did and even brought up another name so again how about you tell her that bc you just left the conversation as if you couldn't argue back and seeing your reasons that you typed to me it wouldn't Go so well with her huh, I'm going to guess you won't actually address the multiple things she said and brought up new things in the new comment she made that you never answered but are perfectly okay answering every other comment talking to you.
You say you're all these things is great so why are you still wrong in the statements you made towards cops? Do you want to share your own sources of these Scholarly journals you read instead of saying you read them? Give me the names of the people you get your material from? I'll happily look into whatever you get your stuff from as well as these people who have "historical" training in statistics as if the history of the police corruption should matter if the research done on the present conditions of the police system says that its changed
@Sinister Leviathan I already have like 10 other people replying. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince conservatives that the boys in blue aren't great.
@Violet Joy you quote the 2016 working paper but don't even detail what it found. It detailed that blacks were more likely to experience force by police but less likely to be shot. Thats far from being dead wrong regarding a bias.
@Violet Joy also that racial bias study you claim wasn't about culture. It was about use of force by police. Those aren't the same thing. Culture is larger than just who they kill but also how they behave in general. Use of force is the tip of the iceberg.
@Tucanforpres001 if you can text 10 people you can text one more that actually has good points, is having a conversation respectfully, and isn't being rude in anyway like the majority of these comments are. You would have a better time commenting towards her instead of the other half of these comments you reply to and again did she not bring up the one person that tried to prove the majority were corrupt and found out they weren't is he also conservative? Can I have your thoughts on that point she made?
@Tucanforpres001 YouTube is not the platform to "detail" data. That was only one piece of data I referenced and it absolutely is a relevant part of the overall picture. I don't have the time or energy to explain how to read through data. If you're interested, you'll look into it. I read it for my own knowledge and you can do the same. TS and HMcD can explain the data much better than I can anyway.
@Sinister Leviathan I just gave my thoughts on the points she made. Her Roland article was cited incorrectly and wasn't about the culture of police or the history but on the statistic answers regarding use of force. Which found that blacks and Latinos are subjected to up to 50% more to nonlethal force than whites. That all races face lethal force the same. I also state that other sources don't know statistics or have any history in mathematics or statistics so their interpretations of data has a major problem within.
@Kitkat 240 okay but that still doesn’t explain why minorities are so disproportionately targeted. even outside of ghettos people in minority communities are arrested at much higher rates than their white counterparts. and even going beyond your example of in german, in a lot of western countries a lot of the time it’s the reverse (mainly because the majority of the country is white while the minority is still the minority, meaning it probably happens from majority to minority more than minority to majority). so if we use the example you stated then the majority should still be punished at a high rate (if it was proportional to their population) than minorities, but this clearly isn’t the case.
@Khadro Ahmed some of, that's like saying every person in CHAZ (back when that's as a thing) are all racist because "some" of them laughed after the two black men died a shooting. That obviously wasn't the only view. I also doubt even that. "some" is very poor quantitative data.
@comp uter well that's not my problem as I'm not denying racism as a whole. I'm just saying it's not common for racism to be present in the force, so when you say shit like "the majority of police are racist" you can't argue that I was saying there was no racism. Get it together
@comp uter an easier target? He was the first guy to walk out of an alley the suspect went in. They had perfect reason to detain him. The detective didn't search out a person of colour, that's called a coincidence. You probably haven't heard that term before. It's where two thinks occur at the same time or are occuring at the same time, but they are not actually linked. Or do you believe that vaccines cause autism?
@comp uter it's pathetic that you manipulate occurances in your own head to fit a narrative. Lots of conspiracy theorists do that too. Guess you guys are pretty alike.
@ParanormalTacoz there is a small amount of corruption in police forces in ACs, corruption is based on income and making money, that it's in ACs we have agencies to track down corruption, like the FBI or MI6. (ACs means advanced countries by the way, it's geography terminology)
@ParanormalTacoz it's like saying "men are targeted by the police" stats would tell you that, but there is also a large degree of men committing more crimes, which is why it's ignored.
@ParanormalTacoz also if they are living in fear. It's more often to do with the lies spread by twitter to worsen the relationships between the police and BAME communities. Just makes both sides more uncomfortable as they feel the other is out to get them. If we stopped the lies and started posting every police story instead of cherry picking. Then we wouldn't have people who are scared of the police. Lack of knowledge is the cause
@Siebe Leurink idk maybe the people that are actually on the police force would know better? Maybe the stats don't show the extreme hyperbole many state is fact? Maybe racism had decreased in the last 100 years? Idk I can't pick just one point because they are all good
@Goop Guy What in gods name are you talking about? Are you even Canadian? The Starlight tours and the deaths of many indigenous people at the hands of police for decades was such a huge story here, and it showed how systemic racism was very much alive and well in Canada. These officers laughed as they beat and left these men to die in the cold, and the system covered it up. I said those officers did it for shits and giggles, and you denied that. Nowhere did I say every cop was racist or evil. Maybe don't talk about a topic you clearly don't know about. Google 'Starlight Tours;.
@Goop Guy "Quit making police violence or racial bias seem common" while your own experience is not sufficient evidence for the general state of the country, racial biases are common. That is not my opinion, that is fact and it is found in so often and in so many places that the current civil rights movement is still going strong and there is so much literature about it that it can fill a single library and then some. I am not the one denying reality here, that is you. Additionally this, "victimising is pathetic and a coping mechanism to avoid blaming yourself" where do I even begin. People are dying from being murdered in cold blood and that's the first thing you go to? Wow. When someone, like you, completely dismisses outrageous atrocities so apathetically, this is when I begin to think the worse about that individual. And before even attempting to reply you need to take your own advice here, "...people with no knowledge of how the police work use it a lot. It's wrong 99% of the time." Except replace "how police work" with "how systematic racism works." You cannot tell people to take a stance against ignorance and educate themselves while you yourself take an ignorant stance.
@Spartan Martell also, you can't act like the police and systemic racism are one and the same and then act as though they are different to prove a point. My point was the "racism" you seem to think is common, is just any time a black person is arrested. People don't know procedure so they think all this stuff is uncommon and only because of there race. When in truth it's just procedure. That applies to all of the videos online ignoring the 10 or so that show actual police brutality, which are often not even race based when they are. Racism is common when it's the only thing you want to see
@Khadro Ahmed the context you are using it in is to say that all cops are racist, so that is what I was disputing, I'm not saying it didn't happen, clearly you misinterpreted what I said.
@Goop Guy You went on a rant huh. Calm down, I now your type to do crazy things when you get angry. I'm not the one denying the bias in our world, it's not perfect just as this case wasn't. A black man is easier to convict for a crime he didn't commit- even if the criminal was white. It's common sense.
@Goop Guy damn so the guy trying to be a policeman, is trying to say the police ARENT biased LMAFOAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
In any case. 2 years of research, countless classes, and databases is not equivalent to “3 google searches and twitter posts” LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FBI crime statistics show the racial bias TODAY and it’s still approximately 3 or 4 to 1 for criminal arrests, charges, doubly as long sentencing, and more
@Goop Guy also, again, I know this story is based in Canada, so the FBI stats don’t matter in Canada but that does not change the obvious and commonly known fact… Police have a big racial bias. The majority of the force has a racial bias.
@Kingof Grim I'm trying to be a neurosurgeon but nice try bud. At least you proved your 13 at most with that god awful comeback. You do know capitalising and using more letters than normal doesn't make it seem special. I mean it makes you seem special but not in the way you intended lol
@Kingof Grim 2 years of research, already know that's false as you don't do those in school, which you clearly havent even graduated from. Lying on the internet doesn't make your points any more important.
@Kingof Grim also are you listing fucking averages? Are you joking? You did "2 years of research" then list averages like the crime rates are identical. How do you people not know the difference between correlation and coincidence? I'm not going to teach you averages and why they are awful for wide ranging comparisons because you can do that in school. Go play Minecraft or something and let the adults talk
@Spartan Martell oh in that case, if I say white people are all racist, black people are all racist, and you eat puppies then they are all facts, because you can't prove them wrong. That's the reason that all law systems work on an innocent until proven guilty basis and not the other way round :).
@Goop Guy well U said earlier about studying to be a policeman, so you’re found guilty of being a liar. Sucks that you wouldn’t be able to fix your own brain if you ever get to that position.
2nd- referring to the capitalizing thing… that’s what my phone autocorrect does LMAO. If I say certain words it autocorrects to capitalized letters
3. I graduated last year, the majority of our “Social studies credits” that we needed, happen to fall under current events and we discussed quite a lot about racism in the US, especially today. Voter ID fraud and the stupidity of that, among other things. The systemic racism subject I had been interested in since 9th grade (on the other side of the coin) but TLDR, after those essays I started researching much much more
@Goop Guy I never said all cops are racist though, I just said its important to acknowledge the systemic racism in Canada and that there ARE plenty of racist cops alive and well in this country. The person I replied to was pretending racism is only an American issue, its not. You're biased in defending cops no matter what, and you defended cops from something i didn't even imply. Learn to let go of your bias and read.
@Goop Guy also, ur right! Correlation and coincidence are different. But when you notice… the “coincidences” happen every year… for over a hundred years… on top of the heaps of clear evidence that’s discarded by yall as “He isn’t racist! He didn’t scream the n word and say “IM A PART OF THE KLAN” while also wearing a huge white robe and a pointy hat.”
Let me know when you, as a white person, are prejudiced against based upon ur skin color, especially by police.
@Goop Guy I think it's clear now seeing your multiple posts on here that you are confusing me with other commenters. Some of your replies make sense, others are incoherent and have nothing to do with my last reply to you. Good luck on replying to everyone you are arguing with. Though I still think your arguments are weak and full of false premises due to your insistence on dismissing facts. For example, your refusal to accept the prevalence of systematic racism despite all the evidence for it, thus your willing participation in your own ignorance.
@Goop Guy Yes it's happened. If he had said the wrong thing, he would have been in jail. Look up victims of wrongful convictions by race then come back to me. You sound upset, calm down man.
@Goop Guy Wtf are you saying. What am I saying wrong? Come up with an actual argument instead of just criticizing me.
I never said all cops are bad. (Actually, even if I did, how would I validate wannabe terrorists? Wanna explain that line of thought? )I simply said all cops are racially biased because all humans are racially biased in some way. There is racism all around the world. While some places might be much more extreme, it doesn't discard the fact that people tend to look at minorities in unfair manners.
@Spartan Martell thanks for that, sadly people like them are racist and will deny everything just because they feel that racism doesn’t exist unless it’s the most obvious act of racism. Ever
@Kingof Grim LOL I do not even think that the most outrageous and most blatant act of racism would change their minds. Simply admitting that there might be a problem would begin a domino chain of events that would quickly unravel their entire world view. Thus, their strategy is always to deny, deny, deny, deny, and deny some more.
The poor bearded guy, he sounds like such a decent dude. And he fucking spent 2 years of his life in prison innocent. I wish we could donate some money to him, if someone deserves a good life from here on out, it’s this guy. God bless him!
@Daniël at 5:54, the narrator says “at this point he doesn’t know that he’s about to be wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years”. So it seems he had previous offences on his record, got slammed up for this one, at a trial the testimony of Candy got picked apart and he was set free.
@Daniël So what, the man paid his debt to society. He was wrongfully imprisoned and his sentencing was exacerbated due to the first robbery. How tf do you have 39 likes? You're the type of person that focuses on punishment rather than rehabilitation, aren't you?
@PerturbedxTirade im pretty sure Daniël was saying that the guy with the beard did not spend 2 years of his life imprisoned for something he didn't do, the 2 years were spent when he was younger and actually committed the crime he was accused of and didn't spend 2 years of the crime he was falsely accused of in the video we saw, they were not saying, if i understood correctly, that the guy doesn't deserve a good life, assuming you were implying Daniël meant that.
@PerturbedxTirade Hi, no what I was wondering was whether he was wrongfully imprisoned. I thought he wasn't (since he was also guilty and imprisoned for 2 years before), but turns out (as other pointed out), he was also imprisoned for this for 2 years, wrongfully.. Very sad. I wasn't making any moral point or anything like that. Hope it's clear!
And literally NOTHING happens. Very rarely do you ever see a suspension without pay or a demotion, or any sort of life-changing consequence. It’s always “oh, there’s always a few bad apples 😇” if I was that bad at my job I’d be fired.
Mistakes are made by humans, that's our weakness. We're not arbiters of eternal, undying truth. If this video teaches you anything it should be that guilt and innocence are not cut and dried and share many equivalent points of reference. Should one mistake as a criminal investigator mean the loss of livelihood?
@Cutland Springs Yeah. If a doctor makes a critical error in surgery, he probably loses his license. I don't know why we don't do that with cops, when not only our lives are at the stake, but also something some are more afraid to lose - freedom and good name. "Mistakes happen" is not an excuse for someone that supposed to be a trained profesional that deals with human lives. Especially when we see those "mistakes" were forbidden interogation techniques, or sometimes even unnesecary violence.
This interrogator really tried the “we know you did it just admit it” tactic but managed to say it in such an awkward and quiet way it didn’t have one effect.
Well he didnt approach it right either. Outright saying that you know is just asinine, its a mind game. The man almost immediately called his bluff because not only was he innocent but also was astounded at how he was approaching him. A gradual release of evidence pointing towards them mounts pressure onto them making it nearly impossible for someone to fake their way through a full on accusation.
@Luke Hutchison that was the problem there was zero "evidence" the cop had nothing. Thankfully it all turned out well, it doesn't for a lot of people who aren't as cool headed or who don't have a rock solid alibi
Lying manipulative police officers should be fired, they are not worthy to hold the position. They should also lose their pensions - make them suffer as they made the innocent men suffer.
Here’s a good quote: “I have just as much evidence that I am innocent, as you have that I am guilty. Which is close to nothing. I can’t prove anything to you other than by telling you that I committed no crime.”
it is a good quote, but to an interrogator, especially one that wants to close a case asap, it will be taken as a smart alec comment. On top of that, I would think more than not, folks (including detectives) cannot process this in real time. This plus selective / confirmation bias, makes for a deadly combination.
@Hannibalwantsahug Grande Inherently authoritarian organizations attract authoritarians. I mean "authorities" is a widespread alternative word for "the police". And to an authoritarian, right & wrong are never an issue because they're always right by virtue of power.
It's arguably reasonable to make that arrest, but completely insane to not immediately look at footage from the surrounding area and check any possible alibis right away
@Caleb Still the arrest is totally inexplicable, they are chasing a running man and encounter a man who is not only not running but doesn't remotely match the description of the suspect and has a cast iron alibi they could have easily immediately verified to decide if detaining him should become an arrest.
Something went horribly wrong, guns being drawn seems to be a part of this. I can't easily prove this is racism but this sort of thing just keeps happening when the race of the accused is different from the police.
they could’ve spent that time searching for the real suspect but instead they had multiple armed cops arrest some random civilian off the street while the guy who committed the crime got away
@Things Aren’t That Simple idk maybe by actually having proof and not getting random ppl in the street and saying that there guilty because someone said so or because they say so.
@Things Aren’t That Simple well i suggest you reaserch settlements and how the just only the city of chicago for example has spend 1 billion in 10 years of wrongful convictions and investigations. ah but yeah totally legal i guess to do this and part of protocol.
@Things Aren’t That Simple but off course investigating someone with just the evidence that the person was near the area of the crime is enough to force them to accept they did something they didnt do.
@sleepydragon1975 No proof it was racism at fault, even then that's not systemic. Systemic racism is whenever it is the system that has a bias, not the cops.
@Viper Well, when you have a state that has the most dangerous crime and crimes rates in the state, and the majority of them being the same color, of course you’ll have 10 years of wrongful convictions. You know what’s worse than the wrongful convictions? Not finding the criminals at all. Why don’t you research all the homicide victims that never receive justice because the killer is never found.
@Things Aren’t That Simple Bro he literally insists he's guilty, while lying about having proof of him doing it. Told he would be in Jail overnight and was instead held 3 and a half days before a different party investigated and concluded he was innocent. The guy literally told him that he wasn't debating with him and that he was guilty and essentially forced him to accept. It's LITERALLY what happened...
@Things Aren’t That Simple Investigations and subsequent arrests should be conducted according to evidence. That's not what happened here. What happened here was a clear cut case of racial profiling and an abuse of authority. But it's actually quite commonplace, which is a problem. I don't want our police to run around terrorizing innocent people out of your misguided sense of justice.
Individuals should never have to worry about their freedom being arbitrarily threatened by the state just because it saves authorities face or protects the fragile feelings of police officers looking to close the case quickly rather than doing it the right way. That isn't justice. That's tyranny. Do you want that?
But I don't know. Maybe you like living in a police state where people don't have rights and the government has ultimate power. I can't fathom why. Maybe because you think it can't happen to you. In which case, you'd be wrong.
@Caleb This. I dont know how the laws work in Canada but innocent people are often not quick enough to Lawyer up. In America every good lawyer would be like, ok you got the footage, lets see it. This isnt traffic court, you have no right to file false charges against this guy without showing why the charge is justifiied. A frivilous criminal lawsuit is bad. Guy is analytical enough to know he needs a lawyer and to know to call their bluff on the footage because he is innocent, but too polite and innocent to stick to his guns when he asked for a lawyer. Probably would have made all the difference for this guy not spending 3.5 days in jail. Good Lawyer would have solved it in an hour or two, and made sure he left that room a free man.
@Victor Nieves i think the job of being a police officer attracts negative personalities. Like people who crave authority and want to have power to yell at people. I think a good cop would actually be someone who doesnt want to be one. Thats my opinion anyway.
I envy this man. If I was in the same situation, I'd be apocalyptically enraged. I envy his calm demeanor and the ability to remain this calm under immense pressure. I hope the people responsible for treating him this horribly got what they deserved, not just some "oopsie-daisy" slap on the wrist. Wrong place wrong time is a terrifying concept to me. I hope Michael is doing swimmingly and didn't face any backlash for this nonsense at work or whatever.
3 investigators were demoted and suspended without pay. Which sounds great on paper, but in practice relates to a day off, and up for promotion in a week. Still, I'm impressed anything happened. The suspect was released from prison after 3 days and eventually won 46k in a lawsuit. Which probably just about covered the lawyer fees.
I recognized the anger he was actually having. I'm probably just imagining/projecting but I'm pretty sure I could see/hear the anger that wasn't as "apparent".
When brought in, he was pretty calm, it was just an inconvenience and he was sure things would go well and maybe he would help them get things sorted out.
Then, when the interviewer would accuse him and call him a liar and etc, and his response was to smile and chuckle. Those laughs/etc were a response to a mixed feeling of the typical anger and the humor seen in the ridiculousness of it. The end was him boiling about them definitely continuing to waste his time but not realizing how much time they're going to try to waste.
He actually believed they were going to look into the notion that he was being honest. If the interviewer was honest about actually intending to do nothing, he would have lost the hope and humor he built up, and then show more visible anger/hostility. He would still be rational, people just wouldn't say he was calm.
@Dishonored Undead To be fair, we don't know if it was a day off. Hopefully not. And up for a promotion? Unless his superiors are as inept as he is, he would have to work long and hard to get a promotion after this circus act.
@Violet Joy If it's the Toronto police, don't rule out racist, corrupt, and generally garbage right through the ranks. They've had a bad problem for a while.
tall black guy being “confused” for a small white guy. classic.
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Kaya just Kaya2021-05-29 16:29:14 (edited 2021-05-29 16:29:59 )
Classic for Merica if you ask me. Sure Europe has black n white to but be honest, it's America's biggest and loudest trope and second is being fat.
And third is maybe (personall) - making bad chocolate. Some would argue and would say beer is the third worst American trope (personall option) But the only alcoholic I've drunk was mixed - Vodka (which is alcohol but not beer). Did I start a war?
@Felix Sanchez that's because americans don't have a name for their nationality, in my country we know them as "estadounidenses" which can be translated as "united staters" that's why americans for me are everyone that lives in the continent known as America
@Blu_Rayx wow didn't know that what country is that? Here, it goes Mexican,american(u.s.),canadian Or if your from somewhere else and live in the u.s. its mexican-american, 'African'-American or something like that. People here also confuse race and nationality a lot, people call me Mexican but I was born in California it's only because I'm brown and my name they assume I'd rather be called Mexican and whites be called American. Minority People have gotten offended that I call myself American actually lol
@Blu_Rayx well there's two different American continents bro, so North American would be fine for Canada. Canada isn't the united Canadian states of America, it's just Canada. We are Americans in the US because we are the United States of America. We choose what we are called, not you. I can't just call French people whatever I feel like, well I could but then I'd be corrected by tons of others like I'm correcting you.
@j r I'm not saying I can call you however I like, I'm just saying that in my country (Chile) we call you like that Edit: and also if it's a country like the USA or Canada we call you North Americans. There's also a less educated way to call you, it's "gringos"
@j r yeah but the entire continent is called America, so everyone from the continent is American, just like everyone from Europe is European, it's not wrong to say that.
@Blu_Rayx I mean if we're getting this specific there is no American continent, only North and South America. You call these America, the same way United States of America is called America. They're all just abbreviations.
@John Alfredo there is an American continent in the model taught in Latin America and some European countries. The model taught in the US treats North and South America as separate continents
@Blu_Rayx You do realize the USA is the United States of AMERICA, right? Our Demonym is American lmao. Thats like saying people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland arent British, but United Kingdomers 🥴
@Taylor I wasn't saying it was wrong to call you americans, it's just not very exact and I understand there's no other way to say it in your language, and please don't make fun of mine
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Ghost King Gamer2021-05-29 23:24:45 (edited 2021-05-29 23:25:12 )
@j r That's hilariously wrong, every language on earth except the one the natives use decides themselves what to call them. Germany doesn't call themselves german, that's what the english chose to call the germans. You're the united states of america, the more correct term would be 'united stater', or identifying yourself by the state you're from. A canadian is just as much american as an american. If a new country appeared in europe that called itself the 'union of europa' then sure they'd be known as european, but it wouldn't change the fact that everyone else is also a european in the european continent.
The united states of america refers to the continent, not the country. And with that in mind, you have no claim on american as a country name really. Just like how south africa isn't refering to the south part of a country. So you can still be a south african and not be from the country of south africa. Crazy i know.
@Taylor British is the empire name that is for all the inhabitants of the empire, then you have the separate kingdoms. i have a friend that lives in london that perfer i call him english rather than british. Just like how a canadian would like to be called american or a frenchman would like to be called a european. You don't own the name of American just as much as south africans dont own the name african. The 'American' part in the 'United states of america' is refering to a continent, not a country/empire/kingdom. So no, the correct country term for someone living in the US should be 'United Stater' or just 'Stater', Calling you american would still be refering to the continent you live on, just like calling someone from south africa an african. Hell you don't even need to be from south africa to be a south african since it refers to the southern part of africa just as much as it refers to the country. Kinda like how the whole america thing works. No one said you aren't american, but people sure as hell said that every other country in the americas can call themselves that too.
@Bluepiggy idk about this whole argument maybe I’m dumb but aren’t South America and North America two separate continents? calling someone American would mean they are from the us, right? if you’re not from the us, you would be referred to as say, Canadian or Argentinian, right? lmao the thoughts on this matter are so split we need a real conclusion from some government official or something
@Bluepiggy So first of all Canadians generally resent being called American. South Africa's Demonym is South African.
The America is United States of America is the nation's name. United States is a descriptor in the same vein as Federal Republic is for Germany or Kingdom is for Sweden.
America may be the name of two continents, but it also the name of a nation and trying telling us what our country's name is or isnt is pretty arrogant.
Either refer to us as Americans or refer to us by out individual state demonyms
@Caleb Lee The 'America' part in the 'United states of america' refers to the continent. If you don't know that then i believe you've been smoking whatever you have a bit too much.
@Blu_Rayx there is 2 american continents, north and south america, north america is white black and brown people mostly white black and brown english speaking people, south america is mostly brown and black people who speak spanish and little english
@harsegirl It's a question of semantics, i brought it up in a previous comment i made, You can be south african without being from the country south africa. (Because africa is a continent which you can hail from the southern parts) And if you're trying to use the south/north thing to counter a point i've made then shouldn't it be "United states of north america" and you guys be known as "North americans"? If the answer to that is no, then why bring up the divide?
The whole debate boils down to the question what the real name of the country of the US is and what the proper name for its citizens is. Calling you americans would be calling me a european.
Early americans considered themselves of "The united states" which reflects in a lot of languages to this day, my native tounge doesn't even use the "America" in the "United states of america", you're simply called "United states" Saying "Flying over to the states" is far more accurate than saying "Flying over to america". I suppose at the end of the day, sure you can call yourself american, but that's not the name of your country.
EDIT: I completely forgot to mention that not all naming convetions follow the 'rules' so to speak. Even if your country is called 'United states' then the people could still be called "Americans." Despite how wrong and confusing that might be. 'Stater' doesn't ring as well sadly. Like how netherlands have dutch people.
@harsegirl You asked a genuine question! My conversation with the other dude might be heated but it's just banter. I think it's important to be respectful to people who ask for explanations. It's funny you mentioned the biased part, There is a lot of hate towards americans on the internet so i try not to feed into it. it's also important to let people make up their own opinion rather than to try and paint them your way. The world would be a boring place if everyone thought like me. Also i like the idea of the US government coming out with a statement, that would end this eternal debate.
@Bluepiggy The American part is not important? What are you on? It's literally locational, a defining feature of the country is where it is located. Also yes, the states acted as countries, for about 20 years... they then fell in line to a federalist system, still with power but less. For someone talking about education you seem to leave out some key details about the time of the Articles of Confederation. You're on some tirade about how the country isn't called "America" because that's a continent, but the fact is it isn't. It isn't about egos. It's about, as you said, simplification. "America" is not a continent. North America and South America are. Hell you can even call them both "The Americas." But saying "America' doesn't actually refer to a continent. However, the point was made above that you seem to miss. The country name is not "The United States." It is "The United States of America," which is where American comes from, the final word in the FULL country name, which you are ignoring for the furthering of your own narrative. Where I am getting lost is how you think people care about what you call the country or the people within. If you call it America, people will understand. If you call it the United States, people will also understand. So nobody really cares what Bluepiggy has to say about what they call the US. Curb your self importance.
@Caleb Lee Curb my self importance? Do you actually think i give a shit what peoples opinion are of me in a youtube discussion? You have conversations like this to put what you think is right to the test, not to prove others wrong. Still, i do find it funny that you have to point out that nobody cares about my particular opinion yet you've spent quite a considerable amount of time to try and change my mind. If you're going to try and get under my skin with such a comment then maybe you should make sure it's true first. Because there is one person who cares, Caleb Lee.
@- LMAOOOOOO pls tell me you are troll. There's white people in south america too. Imagine a person from morroco calling themselves "no, we are north africans, not africans, thats a completely different continent" Only U.S citizens (and anglosaxon people) call themselves as americans, the rest of the world has a word for U.S citizens that is not americans, cause it could be misaken as a reference to the continent.
This is why cops should be sued personally and not just through their departments. If they know they're going to be on the hook financially for bad behavior on the job, they'll be less likely to behave badly on the job.
@Rudi Goldblatt I think their point was even though an officer can be accountable personally through the criminal system, if you sue the officer personally for civil damages they do not pay the tab--the government does. It does not come out of their pocket.
@Chris Goodnow Yeah, that's a fair point. Thing is though is that people usually try to sue whoever has the most money, which usually ends up being a business, police department etc as opposed to one individual person. The police department should also take responsibility for the type of people they employ.
If fired, they would lose their pension, that's incentive not to lose their job over these lies, but this fool does it anyway. Small white man in the video, very tall black man being interagated. Most busses have had cameras for some time now. If he watched the video, this man does not look like their suspect, he should be fired for trying to trick this man into making a statement that could be twisted around. That's their job, those lying bastards. They only care about convictions, guilt or innocents doesn't matter to them, just their possible browny points.
@seattleblaze They rarely get fired though, and especially not for lying, so they have no incentive not to lie. At most, they may be asked to resign, pension stays intact.
@seattleblaze even if they get fired they can almost always find work with another department somewhere else. A local cop in my hometown got fired for being drunk as hell and poaching at night in a farmers field with his spotlight on, using his service weapon to kill a deer, then he pulled the gun on the farmer and threatened to kill him when the farmer came out and confronted him while he was loading up the deer in his patrol cars trunk. It was a big deal in town because the chief didn't file any charges just fired him, then it came out that the guy had been fired from another towns police department for crazy behavior too. The town ended up having a vote to dissolve the local police and just have a county sheriff office outpost instead.
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Billy Pi2021-01-02 20:39:45 (edited 2021-01-02 20:40:11 )
Bad people are everywhere.. bad cops.. bad firefighters.. bad parents.. etc.. You have to know your rights and always - Guilty or not, ALWAYS call your lawyer!
@Rudi Goldblatt "The police department should also take responsibility for the type of people they employ." Yup. That's key - would eliminate much of the horror of what we've been witnessing lately.
Any other career if you fuck up, then you are fired. Within law enforcement they "look out for their own".
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Praise The Sun2021-01-04 15:08:38 (edited 2021-01-04 15:10:10 )
They should just require them to have insurance for things such as this. They get sued and the price hikes up each time, they don’t have insurance they can’t be police.
Complete negligence should result in individual punishment because the ramifications of such mistakes are potentially catastrophic. Just like doctors can face criminal liability, so should investigators, especially when simple, primary details are overlooked. This would ensure that when they (investigators) make decisions that are potentially for their own benefit (like seeking a confession for the purposes of say, a promotion) at the expense of the truth, they will think twice. A great shame that truth has gone by the wayside in these times.
I say to you All LEO’s are bad cops. Let me explain: Cops are almost always at least in pairs or more and during a law enforcement officer’s career there is a great chance they or have seen another officer act improper or illegal due to dealing with baby rapists thieves, & murders. So we all know happens amongst criminal when they rat / snitch / turn in another criminal. Well it’s the same with Law Enforcement Offices and it’s the same with a cop snitch as it is with criminals. Therefore the only good cop one that has quit, been run off, or killed because the other cops let it happen or caused it, because the cop turned in a fellow officer. If you don’t agree with the above I challenge you to ask a friend that is law enforcement officer you trust the following questions: Have you ever broke a department rule or state law or federal law while on duty? And did you turn yourself in? Have you ever witnessed or acquired information of another officer that broke a department rule or state law or federal law on duty? And did you turn them in? Have you ever or seen another officer make a mistake on an arrest that will let a known criminal off? And did you snitch on that fellow officer. If you saw another officer make a big mistake (murder) and NOT ARREST THAT OFFICER OR OFFICERS for murder? Well that is every officer aware of the George Floyd case that has not arrested the other three complicit officers. Yes all three offices were complicit. The other two offices that sat on Mr. Floyd and the other office that watched and did not PROTECT AND SERVE the safety or George Floyd. Then a Grand Jury should decide if George Floyd died from eating his stash of fentanyl or did the gang of cops kill him. So yeah all offices are bad or will become bad. If they aren’t bad its because they just haven’t been an officer long enough. JUST DO A SEARCH ON YouTube: Bad Cop. It is not racists cops killing it is a a systemic problem in the LEO community of NO bad cops every getting arrested or turned in by their fellow officers. The two Only ways to stop this bad cop behavior is: Fine the bad cops and give the money to the good cops that snitch; and if a cop if found to witness any other cop maleficence and NOT snitch / rat then they should be fired. So with all this said I feel for all LEO's, dammed if you snitch and dammed if you stay a LEO. The other way to fix this systemic NO SNITCH problem is by: Record all interactions by LEO's with the public and automatically have the videos posted for the public to view.
Cops just want to advance their career they don't give a F about innocents especially if they have a past. That's why most can't get out of their inferno. Vicious circle. Some try to walk straight but they always are given the short stick
when he first said that he spent two years in jail, i had to pause and teared up. and then as i continued the video i had this hope that they would realise his innocence and let him go (i don’t know why tbh) and then it was like another stab when that part ended. truly heart breaking
Yeah pretty messed up that prison is meant to help people change and go back into society, yet when this person did he just got put back in again. The system is very broken.
@Daniel watch the video and the narrator say the guy is frustrated because he was in jail in his early 20 for 2 years and know that exactly the tone is the same as he was go to jail for 2 years.
@Spark FFS can you take your own advice? At 6:54 Jim's narrator clearly says "he doesn't know he's about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years". Unless that's incorrect, that's a pretty clear indication that he has, in fact, spent two years imprisoned. Perhaps that just means the time he was held before the resolution of the trial, I don't know, but either way, the fact remains.
Take a look at 10:02 that is why I am pretty certain
I totally understand the confusion here. We would need details to really be sure. I perceived that the narrator describes the upcoming event what he is about to hear.
@Spark "Was later exonerated." This means he was later freed. He couldn't be exonerated if he hadn't been first found guilty. He would instead have just been declared not guilty.
@Spark No, he didn't serve the full sentence, which was somewhere in the range of 20 years, he was exonerated, but not after serving 2 years for a crime he didn't commit, hence my comment.
What’s really making me uncomfortable is that they’ll do what it takes to make you look/feel guilty before knowing their innocence. Especially with no strong evidence.... imagine how many people are locked up bc of something like this....
that first detective was so confident but he must come from the stevie wonder school of detectives...the real robber was differently dressed much shorter and WHITE
thats exactly whats happening to me now.at the end of my interview he asked me if i would take a lie detector test. i said yes..that never happened. after 30 days in jail i finally made bail. i did not do what they say i did..
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Dj Tygry2021-05-31 13:45:19 (edited 2021-05-31 13:46:19 )
hahaahhaa xd, man, three pixels might sound low... But I study astrophysics and sometimes you got just three pixels available to study an object hhhaha
@Hunter Bidens School Dumpster Pew you can pick whatever quality you want, wont change the native resolution of the cam footage which is certainly not 1080p
@Rehana why? For explaining how to change the quality, in case it wasn't just a joke, to be nice? For telling the reddit user to take his reddit threads back to reddit? Maybe because you take issue with using comedy to speak truth to power and bring up difficult topics so we as a society can have a conversation about said topic and bring about change? Or is it that you deny factual information? Why exactly an I a child, could you point to which part makes you believe that, and let me know which reason you believe that makes me a child in you eyes?
Because for me, when someone on the internet calls another person a child straight away, as their go to, I automatically assume that person is projecting their own age. Why? Because statistically, only children care about that sort of thing, and want to be the big kid, and so run around calling others children thinking it makes them older, and thinking that matters. Does age denote intelligence, access to information, awareness of pertinent current events, or comedic value of dark humor about difficult topics? Alrighty. If age is an insult to you, because it somehow means children know basic facts about current events and spread awareness of said events, then I'm a child. Lulz
freakbag556 The worst part is some have sat there for over 20 or even 40 years before they finally do the right thing, and sometimes they know but bc the person is of no consequence they just let them rot. Or those on death row. If a gung-ho prosecutor is climbing the ladder they will lie and manipulate till the puzzle pieces fit. It's foul and evil.
My lawyer told me about a client who plead guilty to rape, but didn’t do it. The girl was scared of her dad finding out she had sex; plus they were doing drugs in the parking lot.
And beaten to death, specially the falsely accused of rape, cause, you know, rapists are beaten to a pulp in jail, some even get shanked, it's just, bad
William Journell2021-02-18 08:09:24 (edited 2021-02-18 08:11:18 )
@Hooligan Fanatic um, because he uses reason in midst of being in a powerless situation whilst investigating officer comes at him guns blazing w/ no understanding of the eye witness testimony indicating someone of a different stature AND race.. smart policing, for sure. The fact that u would feel compelled to defend his intelligence, tho, is, well, interesting... BUT I won’t leap to judgment, outwardly
@Hooligan Fanatic okay, if we must split hairs, then yes, it’s possible the interrogator is smart(er), but he’s clearly not prepared.... and when we’re talking about personal liberty we’d hope our civil servants would do their due diligence, eh?
@Hooligan Fanatic He's obviously smarter, he realizes the bluff and gets payed 46000cad whereas the investigators//dettainers get suspended for their stupidity. What are you even trying to prove or justify here
@Hooligan Fanatic 19:20 "Talk to the bus driver". Did the Police not think of that at the time? Remember, all through the interrogation the officer knows or could have known he doesn't have the right suspect. The problem is; Police are programmed to prove guilt not innocence so they put very little effort into making sure they aren't arresting an innocent person.
@Hooligan Fanatic The guy immediately put himself in a box with nowhere to go. And his department insurance paid $46,000 because he didn’t want to do his job and CHECK before carting this guy off to prison. Maybe you should go back to playing with roller coaster games alone.
Yeah seriously.. I doubt any of you could tell me that listening to that guy accuse Michael over and over again didn’t sound just like the wallet scene from spongebob. This interrogator is literally dumber than Patrick star. How was he able to get this job in the first place???
@Hooligan Fanatic that proves he has critical thinking, problem solving, and that he could create strong thoughts against someone who held all their freedom in the palm of their hand. if someone put a gun do your head and asked you questions, i bet youd tremble in fear and struggle when completing thought. someone who could overpower the fear that someone with full control placed upon them, would have undoubtedly a stronger brain than him. if the detective’s goal was to get the subject to admit to something he didn’t do, and failed he indisputably was outsmarted by the subject. quite frankly, in any given situation where a detective (who most likely spent around 6 years at a collegiate level studying interrogation) is outsmarted by a subject (who most likely didnt spend 6 years studying interrogation or else he would be a detective) then most would agree that the subject would have to be smarter than him.
There's one guy that recently got out of prison, it's like 2 years I think. He spent 20 years in prison, finished a law degree in there and basically spent the 20 years convincing people to look into the case again. After 20 years they did, and found him not guilty. Fun times, I tell you.
I feel like this is a dumb question but when someone gets falsely accused but given prison time, the time they get out and they know they weren’t guilty what do they get in return? Money? Or nothing...
A cop once told me “You can talk yourself into handcuffs, But you can’t talk yourself out”. I know the urge to defend your TRUE innocence is a strong urge, But you simply have to remain silent and request an attorney.
Which is also what career criminals do. It's a tough spot, being accused by incompetent idiots.
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M Silva2021-05-27 16:27:59 (edited 2021-05-27 16:28:46 )
That's kinda difficult when you're randomly pulled out of a bus and charged for a crime you didn't even know happened. He clearly was trying to avoid the need for an attorney because most people don't keep a criminal attorney on speeddial and don't have the money to afford them just lying around.
@JUSTIN Hm, since I'm a law abiding citizen I never needed one, but when I served as alderman the attorney who spoke in the cases I was assigned to did very well. again, not in the US...
Wouldn't that cost money? Alot of people probably feel comfortable not asking for an attorney when they KNOW they didn't do anything rather than pay a fee for somebody to explain what they already know.
@SlicRicFlair WOOO dude, you literally just watched a video of innocent people being charged. Did you even see how the cop pounced on him when he said he knew the cindy girl? Never ever talk to a cop without an attorney present. It doesn't matter if you know you are innocent, one misunderstanding or accidental slipup and you better make sure not to drop the soap
@Erebos They're necessarily awful. But they're wayy overworked and barely have enough time for the cases they're given. When it comes to your innocence and future, you're gonna want someone who can look into your case and not just spent 15 minutes on it.
As an introvert that’s been under investigation, I can see myself in that chair in this video. Although he seemed calm, believe me when I say, his thoughts were definitely going a mile a minute trying to piece together reality.
He said he had a duty to ensure the truth is out while lying about everything. This is disgusting police officers now days and the sad thing is - they are almost all the same
@Carbon 12 You are dreaming. Europe has innocent until proven guilty model all the way, and that is not key parts of Brexit. Get your facts straight.
You must be 12 or less.
In Mexico you are guilty until proven innocent. Their judicial system was modeled after the USA but a mistake was made, instead of innocent until proven guilty they wrote guilty until proven innocent. Since then the courts and judges have been following that rule.
@Frank Gonzalez Official sounds like USA ended up copying that model so many innocent people behind bars in the most institutionalized country in the world it’s scary for the people who did nothing rotting in prison for no reason
@modestrocker1 that is what is called a non-sequitur. Yes there are bad cops, that doesnt change the principle of justice we should strive to uphold. How about we tell corporations and twitter mobs the same thing? What about people killed in riots? Edit: grammar mistakes.
seems like people go to jail in america when innocent A LOT in america .. And that could be because cops seem to be way to stuck on certain suspects instead of giving them the benefit of doubt
@pitrson ' I didn't say you are, but just said that only edgy teens who usually radical views do it. And even if it counts as a meme, it's still boring, unfunny and unlikeable.
@Frederick Douglass parties are a massive waste of your time and health. Watching the grass grow is your time better spent than getting fucked up on alcohol, drugs and whatnot.
@You Have Great Balls, I’m jelly I'm surprised that a supposed conservative is unhappy with me making conservative decisions. This "nerd" right here is 17 years old and benches 255 pounds. Are you going to tell me how doing drugs and otherwise partaking in degenerate lifestyle is a good choice?
@USE THE SPORK I didn't say he's a radical. I said that people with those political compasses as their profile picture are usually radicals, because politics has consumed a massive chunk of their lives.
@Jamoses it's not about being tough, heck, I would never know if y'all are millions of times toughter than I'll ever be. (Not that I am particurarly "tough" anyways, I'm just a kid.) I don't claim I could kick anybodys ass, but if someone wants to kick my ass I can offer them the opportunity.
@Amira Not remotely comparable? Both are imaginary figures introduced to kids at a young age to help them develop. Saint Nick was created to motivate kids to behave meanwhile god/jesus/the bible were all made up to tell kids how to behave. Far as I can tell the only difference is that people eventually become smart enough to stop believing in Saint Nick, but few are smart enough to stop believing in god. Guess that's what people mean when they say everyone still has a bit of child still in them.
@Bronco Belligerence Jesus and Saint Nick are real historical figures who existed. Guess someone doesn’t know their history. Jesus is the most written about and studied figure in history. Maybe if you would actually do your research and stop listening to modern society which is evidently corrupt and trying to follow trends, you would find out the truth yourself
O K2021-05-29 20:47:40 (edited 2021-05-29 20:48:27 )
@Harold what is there to believe or not to believe about my claims? The only thing might be that benching part, but who cares about that? It's also not a big deal because there's plenty of people who bench 255lbs for reps like it's nothing. It doesn't matter and nobody cares anyways. It was just my response to some totally-not-a-nerd calling me a nerd.
@O K Everything13ish, Frederick Douglas and Jamoses are just a few people to name who seem to care about what you say. I’m not saying you don’t bench 255lbs, I’m saying I don’t believe you do. Even if you did, noone would care. You can be a nerd and still be built like a truck.
@Amira Oh wise one, how does one seek the truth? Oh by reading the Bible? What other fairytales must I believe in to not be so "corrupt"?
Yeah I know they both existed, but the stories of Jesus were all made up, and Saint Nick of yesterday is different from Saint Nick of today.
So you've given me some advise, I'll return the favor by suggesting you read science books instead of fairytales like the Bible. You really would learn a lot of truth about how the world works.
@Harold well, let us define the word that is "nerd". I think it can mean many things but I think a nerd is a person who obsesses over comics, movies, games and anime and stuff of that nature to the point that it's ridiculous and pathetic. In the context of this comment section, it seems as nerd means a person who doesn't like drinking and getting high and is somewhat of an asshole about it.
I don't think I truly did anything nerdy. But I am interested in classical literature and other great books that bear an actual meaning behind them.
@TheGalonator the guy who said he’s low key and kind is named Chris Watts. He murdered his wife who was pregnant and their two daughters. He’s now trying to appeal.
@Harold I have to say you make a convincing argument but I'm not naive enough to assume that anybody here is naive enough to believe that I bench so much. Be that as it may, I'm now actually slightly afraid that I fit the official definition of nerd for some reason.
@O K Yeah? Don’t dwell on it. Nothing truly wrong with being studious or lacking social skills, even though you may want to improve on your social skills. But if you’re foolish or contemptible, you can change that. Just learn to take insults if you’re gonna deliver them.
@Bronco Belligerence Let me rudely interrupt with my two cents. Learning science is essential to understanding the reality of our world, but religion is also essential to a properly functioning society. Religion sets the standard for morality and has for thousands of years. Atheist often claim they lead moral lives (and they do, many do not), yet when asked to define morality their definitions are basically religious teachings. Ever wonder why civilizations throughout history have always included a religion of one form or another? It's because any attempt by a people to form a society void of religion has failed and been lost to time.
@Joe E and btw your reasoning on why there never was any society without religion is kinda stupid as well since never before we had that much information about our existence, that's why less and less people believe in god, science whether you like it or not goes against pretty much everything religious people have been claiming...
@Simon Delaveau Did you delete a comment? Anyway, I love science and I don't pay much attention to any religion. However, I do recognize the need for it. You seem hostile to the idea of religion, care to explain your moral code and examine it's similarity to religious teachings?
@O K Avoiding parties as a rule is not conservative. There are many types of parties, most of which aren't degenerate at all. Social cohesion and community are pillars of conservative thinking, parties are literally inevitable if those are among your priorities.
@Bronco Belligerence you originally have written Santa right? Well Santa for sure is made up and I think every non child knows that but saint Nikolaus did exist and I don’t even know how they’re literally made into one person right now like what Santa is made up by Coca Cola the only thing is that Coca Cola and basically everyone made Santa have similar qualities as Nikolaus but that’s it. So yeah what you originally said made sense but what you’re saying know referring to Santa as Nikolaus is wrong so just don’t get these two messed up okay
@Simon Delaveau No worries, I wasn't trying to define any one person, just my thoughts on why religion exists. I think humans, on a certain level, need a higher power to keep their base emotions in check. In a nutshell, moral behaviour allows humans to live together. Immoral and amoral behavior causes the breakdown of society. In my opinion, religion is needed as a guide for how people should treat each other. Not saying it's perfect, but it's what thousands of years of human evolution has come up with.
@Joe E Yeah it still astonishes me to this day how religion sets the morals even though it's the cause of many wars. I don't follow religious morals, I just follow common fucking sense, the best kind of morals.
@Bronco Belligerence For sure, many wars have been waged in the name of one God or another, no doubt. But what you call common sense (I'll assume things like stealing is bad, sharing is good) is not common at all. It must be taught and exercised, religion is what people have come up with to do this. Would you rather live in a community which tries to realize their religious values (do not steal, kill, fuck your buddy's wife) or one void of thoughts on morality?
@Keira what? Are you talking about the tall black dude that pretended to be a short white dude? So did the tall black dude pretend to be a short white dude then after committing the crime take off his tall black guy costume to reveal a tall white guy then kill his wife but got caught before he could put on his short Chinese woman disguise?
@Joe E I agree with you completely and I know my moral values are deeply christians, even tho I'm atheist. But I've known too many bad religious people to think this is a perfect way to make people behave. I think Islamic terrorists and pedophile priests are the best exemple, since they are supposed to be very highly religious but they dont apply a very lawful moral code. I'm not even talking about wars, bc I think God was just a justification, money was always the real reason. And I still think it's the real problem.
@Keira Two comments! O.k understandable clarification is always a good move. Yep the black dude was sweet as hell and I had that documentary about Chris Watts lined up to watch but fell asleep so I'll watch it now. Your initial "lmaoooo" was my original intention but it's really easy to confuse intention in a comment so I will gracefully forgive you for thinking I was coming at you sideways because I didn't understand your comment (although I guess you could argue that I was coming at you side ways for comedic value). A prime example of intention and meaning being lost is your "he slaughtered his family look it up lol" line, now I'm thinking did this person just tell me to look up a man that slaughtered his family because they had "lol" (lots of laughs)?.........and could this person be an extremely sick person that needs help?........or was there another reason for their sudden bout of laughter? or are they a bot?.......anything is possible......anyway I'm going back to watching that documentary you suggested, thanks and I look forward to the lots of laughs. 🤪😁
@phoenixash Delfuego I appreciate your sarcasm. I obviously didn’t add “lol” Bc I think what he did was comedic. More of a defense mechanism. Which I assume you already knew. I do apologize for being so confusing and rude...so thanks for forgiving me LOL :)
@Keira our comments are on a time delay. Thank you, I would also like to say I appreciate you appreciating my sarcasm........have a lovely day.....that was genuine and heart felt (that wasn't sarcasm)...........now everything sounds sarcastic (it's not suppose to be).
I almost flipped a table when the guy said "thank you" to the detective lying to him about evidence and locking him up, then I heard he got out in 3 days with $46,000 for his troubles. Hell, I'd say thank you too! 😅
I know. This makes me so happy to see. That guy was such a stand up person, and is now sitting on a decent chunk of change. Thank God the cops were demoted and suspended.
Been in this position. Just did 9 years for a crime I didnt commit. Police refused to talk to any one of my 4 alibis, suspect was described as 5'9 with brown eyes and no tattoos, I'm 6'5 with tattoos. A gun was never recovered even after I cooperated with the police to search my place. There was a picture that didnt match my face. But all they need is a witness pointing you out. $30k in appeals doesnt help unless the appeals court finds a problem with court procedure. I had facial recognition expert and alibi testimony ready to go back into court but it never happened. You basically are guilty until proven innocent and even then that doesn't work. All the court needs is 12 idiots who dont want to be there in the first place to believe an eyewitness
Eyewitness Testimonies are so immensely unreliable now that anyone actually competent at their job won't use them as the core of their accusation. I can't believe that this kind of shit still happens. I hope you were able to recover from this grave offense - these people are meant to find the actual perpetrator(s), not get rid of the case asap.
Well seeing as they destroyed nine years of your life under the circumstances that you were wrongfully convigted, you should sue them, even if they were "nice" or not, sue them. You might not be about money and what not, however, that's nine years. All gone. All because they just wanted to do the job "quick".
Sounds like you had a lousy lawyer - also did you get a jury trial. I think it would be hard for at least one of twelve people to ignore the facts. You gotta focus all your energy on that one witness who claimed they saw you? Did he get leniency? Did they do a fair line up?
@Tom As you don't even know the crime they where convicted of. Also, it's art, a drawing. Not a real dead body. Even though it is grotesque to look at, yeesh.
I don't even know why they trust eye witnesses so often. Most of the time they're wrong asf and I feel like most if them feel pressured to pick someone from the lineup as if they have to
This is my biggest fear, serving time for something I didn’t do. And also the fact that the person who did whatever it is gets to live their stupid life...I’m so sorry this happened to you, and I wish there was a way to give you back what was stolen from you.
@FlatRangeOperator yeah try suing a huge subsection of the government, especially when a lot of the best lawyers in the world have prison money in their pockets
Man that is just horrible, I mean wicked bad! The only thing worse that I could imagine other than falsely convicted of murder or sex crimes is being assaulted by the cops and then convicted of the crimes they committed against you. Hope you're all right now.
@Apophis40K in the US a jury trial is always better than a bench trial (single judge). Conviction rates are always higher in a bench trial because the judge is frequently biased in favor of the cops
@Edward Miessner you missunderstand we have jury just that they are mad out of judges (to rule out cheap manipulative tacticts) but yeah the US has quiet the problem with police biece, brutality and so on which is close to a non issue here.
@Tom As That's what jail does to you... It changes you. At least that's what I've heard. It doesn't mean he did it. What would he gain from sharing his story anonymously and saying he's innocent? He's already been in jail so it's not like it will help him in any way. You don't know him or the case, you can't make assumptions whether he did it or not, based on his profile picture (which is probably a result of trauma that he experienced in jail).
Funny thing is by putting away innocent people they create a possibility for a new criminal. I’d go on a murder spree against those that put me away if that were me. Hope you’re doing well
Dude I would absolutely sue the Heck of every single one of them involved and with no mercy wtf 9 Years knowing ur totally innocent and with Witness and more and even u did the mistake to cooperated with them and still they didn't want to look at ur case fuk that I would Absolutely sue the heck of them in every single posible way that could exist in this world
As former police officer here is my advice : " Am I allowed to leave? No? Then I want an attorney and do not wish to make any statements at this time".
When you choose not to speak unless you have an attorney - from what I’ve seen in these videos- the guys just keep asking questions and never seem to respect wanting an attorney 😂😂
@Lets Get it In Canada you don't have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. You have the right to talk to one on the phone but that's it. You can refuse to talk though.
@Yuri Guiguer What does locked away by random choice means? - They was at the wrong place at the wrong time, out of their control, random.
And who got locked up? - I'm pretty sure they said the guy in the thumbnail was locked up for 2 years
Also the cops were listening to every single word they were saying. - One of them was trying to say that it wasn't him, but the interigator was saying "I don't want to hear that you didn't do it. Tell me why."
@Squidward I can understand the meaning, but grammatically it makes no sense. Not sure if it was poor writing or if it's just English grammar. If I would translate it to my native language, this phrase would have no meaning. Have a good one! Cheers
If I was being interrogated and the cop said “We have your DNA at the crime scene and we have you on camera.” I would simply say “So you wouldn’t mind showing me the evidence, right?”
@Daggerman105 - "Then before we proceed any further I'm going to need to contact a lawyer so their office can get the paperwork rolling to review the imaginary evidence you clearly do not have.
While I'm on the phone to my attorney feel free to get the closest thing you have to a competent coworker to start checking my iron clad alibi.
Rest assured though by this time tomorrow we will have the undeniable evidence to show that you are either incompetent, or a liar."
@Guy Fogel How does it work? You can immediately get a new lawyer presented to you? How much do you need to pay later? How long until that expires and you get arrested for not paying, in which you get another lawyer, just kidding. xDD
@Epsilon Adept In most countries if you're being arrested and you can't hire your own lawyer you can get a government paid public defender to help you not to say something stupid in your investigation, and if they decide to press charges the public defender will defend you in court.
Listen Officer, you’re making a serious career altering mistake. Before that happens I strongly encourage you to check my alibis and the evidence. I’m trying to do you a favor here, don’t be to proud to accept it. If I’m wrong you can always get a warrant. I don’t want to have to sue the city.
You all acting tough on the internet and that's fine, but I sincerely hope you won't do that should you ever get arrested. From the moment you're in cuffs you say NOTHING until you see a lawyer, The only exception being to ask them where is your lawyer. Don't argue with the investigators, they do it professionally and they'll be able to twist anything you say in order to incriminate you.
@Aldo Hernandez Exactly. If he has him on video and he's clearly guilty what is the reason for talking? "I'm not saying another word until I am represented by an attorney, and that's final." Then shut your mouth, easier said than done though..
@Gwynbleidd That's what I've been trying to say. During an investigation don't be right, be smart. Don't say a word except "lawyer", and ESPECIALLY don't say any of the paragraphs written in this thread detailing how you're innocent and the police are dumb.
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Talk to the police you'll be fine 😉
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@Gustavo de Anapolis I have 600 pairs of shoes, they going to have trouble pinning that one down. Maybe my boots, not my shoes.
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@Gustavo de Anapolis Big difference between actually being guilty and falling for a trap and actually being innocent and having evidence fabricated. They didn't need a picture of his shoes to fabricate evidence they needed a picture of his shoe to complete evidence.
If the guy was innocent then "Oh material from his shoes was found at the crime scene" is a flimsy way of putting somebody at a crime scene, seeing as how I have 4 duplicate pairs of shoes and most if not ALL my shoes are made from the same material. If I have 4 pairs of the same shoe, who's to say 4 different people don't have a single pair of the same shoe?
Even as an introvert myself, I do not believe I could be as calm as this guy being blatantly lied to in front of his own eyes. I’d end up flipping out.
Introverts attempt to rationalize their way out of situations. This is what he is doing throughout the video. Where the introvert flips 180 degrees is when they rationalize there is blatant and purposeful mischief being portrayed against them. He felt the investigator was simply doing his job, even though he was wrong, and wasn't purposely being mischievous. If he would have known the suspect's description was a short white guy he probably would have seen the investigator as being purposely mischievous...
I'm guessing he had the belief that because of his innocence there was no way he would be jailed. People that never had any interactions with 'justice' are often led to believe by the state itself that the court will make it so that you are innocent until proven guilty. In reality PEOPLE that make BIG mistakes are behind this system.
One cop literally killed a kid who held his hands up in the air after being scared and trying to run away. People defend the guy saying it was a stressful situation and even say he should get a vacation.
@Johnny De Leon Depends on WHICH state, obviously... also depends on which county as well.. for that matter, depends on what town/city you're talking about... Now you brought it up, how your local police behave was totally your own fault because YOU elected the Sheriff/Mayor/City Councilmen and weren't paying attention to who you were voting for!
Imagine feeling so helpless KNOWING you hadn’t done it and that you were probably going to jail for something you didn’t do? This shit happens way too often. Our justice system needs an overhaul. So many innocent people sitting in jail. Travesty. This literally could happen to any of us.
Let me get this straight. The cops are chasing a man who was caught robbing a jewelry store. They chase the small white man down the alley, lose sight of him for a second, then they regain sight of him and he's magically a 6'3 black man?
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Nah nah that’s a magical ally
877 likesracism and incompetence, what a fantastic duo
2326 likes@Quo Vadis
271 likesPretty sure incompetence explains everything. Especially because you don't know the color of the arresting officer.
My guess? They were chasing agent 47 and he slipped into a new disguise just in time for them to see this bald guy and arrest him instead. A real 500iq silent assassin move.
465 likesMagic racism.
186 likes@Gavin Riley oh shut up. Y'all love trying to pretend racism has nothing to do with anything no.matyer his often black people get disproportionately persecuted and profiled. It doesn't matter if the officer is not white, even black officers have confessed that they are often trained/pressured/conditioned to treat black people as more of a threat than non black citizens. Whole studies have been done proving how systemic racism is in law enforcement practices.
711 likes@Rat Rat Probably a glitch in graphics rendering 😂
23 likes@51.h.d.15bloody diagon alley bro
13 likes@True Stark But what if...... it wasn't racism? What if...... the officer wasn't racist? Do you think that possibility is rare or uncommon? Oh wait... ALL COPS are bad right. But you need more than arresting a black man because he's the first person you saw out of an alley, to label someone a racist....
96 likes@Graham Duran XD forgot that this existed
2 likes@Teq yep! all cops are bad lmao good job for finally realizing 💗
203 likes@Teq Not all cops are racist, but all cops are class traitors, and that’s just as bad💖
127 likes@Kathy Palma 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesMan changed his whole ass race and height
26 likes@Teq its more the fact that they had a witness sayin he was white, and he lied about already knowing the guy was guilty. I personally think most cops are trying to the best they can.
37 likes@Teq are you racist ?
29 likesI don't think you can lay this one on racism. This is pure unadulterated stupidity and naked incompetence.
18 likes@Blue Mongoose the OG comment didnt mention anything about racism but okay
13 likes@True Stark but why throw out the race card with zero proof?
13 likes@True Stark ignorance is bliss they’ll say racism doesn’t exist
53 likes@Gavin Riley black people can be racist towards black peoples...
28 likes@Gavin Riley why are you guys scared of the word Racism??? It just mean discrimination it's just a word theres no need to deny its existence
56 likes@Samuel Rodriguez
17 likesSaying cops are trained to target a certain group in our society is idiotic and damaging to communities.
Noone is afraid if a word. We just don't want idiots attributing every mistake to a thought crime.
@Gavin Riley nobody is trained that way that's not how racism works my man. People can be racist subconsciously without even realizing its attributed to evolutionary traits from when we were tribes it's natural to look at strangers with care and concern.
42 likes@Gavin Riley it doesn’t matter
0 likesERRRTHANG RAYCISS
10 likes@Graham Duran 😅
0 likes@True Stark PREACH my dude, fucking preach. ACAB doesn't mean that EVERY individual cop is a bastard and/or corrupt. It means that the entire system they are apart of is corrupt and horribly racist. It's much worse in Southern US states as well where a large amount of the local population is at least moderately racist. It's extremely fucked up and we need to FIX IT.
41 likes@Teq You do understand that ACAB means the SYSTEM the cops are apart of is racist. Not that every single individual cop is a racist/corrupt. It's not rocket science, it's not that hard to comprehend. They KNEW they were chasing a WHITE GUY then magically they just decide to pick up this black guy, how do you perceive no racisim in that?
26 likes@Teq Ofc not. But the fact that most cops are good doesn’t change the fact that many departments have systemic issues, resulting in racism and enabling the behavior of a bad few.
14 likes@Gavin Riley you republicans always want to ignore racism
15 likesWhat is with white people pretending racism doesn’t exist? It’s so bizarre. Do you think if somebody is racist, that means all of you are racist? I’m genuinely curious.
50 likes@Nikki H really? Whats your source on that? Just a genuine question
0 likes@Gavin Riley at exactly 2:35 you can see the investigators skin color, white passing from what we can see.
2 likes@nasa lol
3 likesThe investigator is irrelevant, he's gotta investigate whoever is in that chair. The arresting officers are the ones that matter in this situation.
@Gavin Riley True, can’t argue. You make a good point
1 like@Gavin Riley Yeah what @True Stark said
1 like@orang3kush because it is the most likely scenario. Occams Razor.
1 like@Teq your privilege is showing
7 likesHave you ever played gta sa?
0 likesMany cops don't care if they catch the right person if they can get an easy conviction. There are an estimated 10k innocent people convicted in the US every year. The cops that arrest them don't get vilified and some of them are probably decent cops that thought they got the right person, but this guy knows he's lying in the interrogation. He blatantly says he's seen the guy on a video camera and yet the call was for a small white man... well, imo, the cop should be in prison for fraud.
15 likes@e13kid Nah they think “Well the cop didn’t call him the hard r and didn’t hang him from a tree behind the precinct so there’s no evidence for racism.”
32 likesThey have their own standard for what constitutes as “racism” and are continually moving the goalpost and have this weird obsession for trying to disprove racism as if it doesn’t exist.
@Teq >Oh wait... ALL COPS are bad right.
10 likesThis is probably the first time you've been right and you didn't even intend it. Beautiful
@Paul Beazer that's effing disingenuous to say that. First of all, a study from 2012 shows, indeed, that there are between 5000 and 10000 wrongful convictions. You choosing the upper number is intellectually dishonest.
6 likesBut pretending that these wrongful convictions are solely based on the fact that cops doesn't give a f*ck about the truth is a non-sense. A good part, if not the majority, of these wrongful convictions may also come from wrongful accusations (like the angry "burglar" in the video, and if you have no proof of innocence and an history with the police, good luck!). Sometimes there are some unfortunate cases of bad place bad time. Is there some officers who would knowingly arrest an innocent for any reason (racism, chance of promotion, laziness,...), of course, and they should be treated as the 3 officers of the video. But depicting the "wrongful conviction" as biased as you do won't help anyone.
And for the people claiming it's certainly because of racism, that's a trial of intent. Unless you're inside the head of these officers, you have no idea what motivated their actions. As JCS said, having a confession can help having a promotion.
I as a 200 pound white man was arrested when police were looking for a small mexican teenager.
4 likes@True Stark You love pretending racism is the cause for everything bad.
5 likes@BreadFor_BobRoss The caller said the guy was white, more likely they said he was probably white. Obviously the officers messed up a ton but there are almost always easy mistakes to make. There isn't anything wrong with lying, as long as the cops aren't being assholes for no reason.
3 likes@Silaaron...
0 likes@Xan Frank You mean the objective standard where most things that exist aren't racist, because they aren't?
4 likesMeine Jungs schrei'n nicht "Fuck", sondern "Kill the police"!
0 likes@Kathy Palma you must’ve never lived in poverty or in the projects.
1 likeBALD
0 likes@Gavin Riley Even officers that are people of color can interalize racist behaviors, even when they are directed at people of the same background, from their peers, training and just general societal conditioning.
8 likesFurther, Discrimination in the Justice system on a systemic and far-reaching scale isn't up for debate, not really. It's a statistical fact; people of color are disproportionately falsely accused, arrested and convicted.
@Silaaron I've realized that there's no point in arguing with people so I just let them think what they think
5 likes@Teq racism is very common
4 likes@taelyar right and wonder why the have the hate they get... hmmm
0 likesSometimes ya just gotta shapeshift to survive 🤷🏻
7 likes@Drew Butler Alright, I guess just sit there when someone breaks into your house. Or if one of your family members dies and it’s a homicide, just let the person get away with it.
0 likesMust have been the “Shazam” alley.
1 likeYes
0 likes@Teq Bruh there was more, the suspect was literally described as white, and the officer KNEW before interrogating and still persisted. That's literally racism.
8 likesWhat you know about rollin' down in the deep?
2 likesWhen your brain goes numb, you can call that mental freeze
When these people talk too much, put that shit in slow motion, yeah
I feel like an astronaut in the ocean, ayy
What you know about rollin' down in the deep?
When your brain goes numb, you can call that mental freeze
When these people talk too much, put that shit in slow motion, yeah
I feel like an astronaut in the ocean
She say that I'm cool (damn straight)
I'm like "yeah, that's true" (that's true)
I believe in G-O-D (ayy)
Don't believe in T-H-O-T
She keep playing me dumb (play me)
I'ma play her for fun (uh-huh)
Y'all don't really know my mental
Lemme give you the picture like stencil
Falling out, in a drought
No flow, rain wasn't pouring down (pouring down)
See, that pain was all around
See, my mode was kinda lounged
Didn't know which-which way to turn
Flow was cool but I still felt burnt
Energy up, you can feel my surge
I'ma kill everything like this purge (ayy)
Let's just get this straight for a second, I'ma work
Even if I don't get paid for progression, I'ma get it (get it)
Everything that I do is electric
I'ma keep it in a motion, keep it moving like kinetic, ayy (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
Put this shit in a frame, better know I don't blame
Everything that I say, man I seen you deflate
Let me elevate, this ain't a prank
Have you walkin' on a plank, la-la-la-la-la, like
Both hands together, God, let me pray (now let me pray)
Uh, I've been going right, right around, call that relay (Masked Wolf)
Pass the baton, back and I'm on
Swimming in the pool, Kendrick Lamar, uh
Want a piece of this, a piece of mine, my peace a sign
Can you please read between the lines?
My rhyme's inclined to break your spine
They say that I'm so fine
You could never match my grind
Please do not, not waste my time
What you know about rollin' down in the deep?
When your brain goes numb, you can call that mental freeze
When these people talk too much, put that shit in slow motion, yeah
I feel like an astronaut in the ocean, ayy
What you know about rollin' down in the deep?
When your brain goes numb, you can call that mental freeze
When these people talk too much, put that shit in slow motion, yeah
I feel like an astronaut in the ocean
@Gavin Riley any race can be racist. i don’t see how an officers race determines whether or not they’re racist
5 likes@Teq yes the officer definitely profiled the man. definitely an example of racism
0 likes@Josh Cole e
0 likes@Teq Random people on the internet don't need very much to support an inference of racism. Like this: I think you're racist. Am I right?
1 like@Gavin Riley he sounds white smart guy
0 likesEh who knew even cops in the UK are racist.
0 likesI mean Canada..? I think he said Canada.
0 likes@Gavin Riley bruh. You can see his arm
0 likesComment section has turned into racism porn.
7 likesDont worry man he just put on a costume
1 like@ArataTheKing X
1 likeBruh that's the investigator not the arresting officer.
@Isaac Keigwin great work 47 now head for a exit
1 like@Teq are you forgetting that they literally saw a white guy rob the bank? Their descriptions are unmistakeable. It was voluntary racism
3 likes@H8RMAKR it is called an outlier
0 likes@True Stark what study?
1 like@Kathy Palma they're all bad till you need them
2 likes@Nikki H proof?
1 like@Stephen bruh didn't British people like invent racism or some shit
2 likes@Bean G and democrats ignore facts.
2 likes@the gamer even the black cops?
2 likes@Kathy Palma good luck with that. Its hard to change the mind of the wise and impossible to change the mind of a fool
2 likes@Kathy Palma you're the same person that would get angry at the cops when you get mugged in broad daylight i just know it
2 likes@Gavin Riley eh
6 likesAs a black person, black ppl can also be racist to other black ppl especially when they are brainwashed by the racist legal system.
@Gavin Riley They are in Canada so it would probably be safe to assume the arresting officer was white lol
0 likesYou must not know crackheads! Swear to god they’re magical.
0 likesRacists are so annoying like, your not better than anyone, Infact, your worse. The black people are so beautiful and cute and some idiots just keep on troubling their innocent souls. It’s so irritating.
0 likes@Sameeha Z 13/52?
2 likes@Troy Wilson whaddya mean?
0 likesPeople saying racism but I’m just thinking he saw the guy run by and was like yo wtf and then a bunch of cops just tackling him lol
1 like@e13kid that’s what you think of cops... “ACAB” lmao
1 likePretty much.
0 likesThese are confusing times
0 likesAnother crime solved, boys
0 likesthey arrested his familiar
1 likeHow is he black wth, I initially thought he was white but upon closer look he's just a little bit darker than that.
2 likesYes. Because that's obviously logic.
2 likesPolice in the Us just have a higher level of intelligence, we wouldnt understand XD
1 likeThere is a "someone has to pay" mentality in the police and justice system, as well as in colective consciousness.
2 likes@Epic Shadow Boy "my goals are beyond your understanding"
0 likesthe police system is racist, even the ones that aren't inherently racist still racially profile and arrest blacks unconsciously because that's how they were trained
0 likesI’m
0 likes@Teq that blew up in your face... lmao...
0 likes@Omegakidtre Official a lot of sarcastic responses
1 likeThat’s how it works
0 likes@Gavin Riley The officer interviewing him, who was white, was the arresting officer.
1 like@Kathy Palma no you need to understand cops are bad. But men and women of law are not.
0 likes@True Stark You're doing the exact same thing the cop did in the video.
1 like@Simeon Roban I ain’t reading ur essay but that’s great or I’m sorry that happened to you 💔
0 likes@True Stark weird cause they wrongly arrested a white guy as well? So I mean..
1 like😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesDisguise Self is a first level spell.
4 likes😂😂😂
0 likes@Tarfa P. Kpamber just like in Cyberpunk
2 likeshad to blame someone
0 likesHe’s not black
0 likesI smell discrimination
0 likes@Nikki H 🤡
0 likesYep.
0 likes@Guytrash Gurtdog What about the cop who saved my sister from being gang raped in an alley?
2 likes@Teq open you’re eyes
0 likesThey really just arrested a random guy
1 like@Gavin Riley Y'all really go to extreme lengths to explain away racism 🤣
2 likesI could've never imagined this thread turning into anything other than complete buffoonary
1 likeprobably they couldnt see through the holes in thier hoods
0 likesI think what happened was they got called and chanced the guy down the ally they probably didn’t hear the discription until later but doesn’t defend the detective
2 likesHe's fairly pale skinned for a black guy and, at night, coming out of an alley into a street with different lighting... I can see how they could be confused. The height difference seems much harder to understand but between distance, perspective... even that may be possible. I'm 6'4'' but when I run I lean forward and seem shorter. The Police may have overcompensated for that.
1 likeWhat gets me is the claim of security camera footage. That footage, if it exists, should be all the proof needed to clear things up. Either there was no footage, the footage was too poor quality to tell the difference between two radically different men or the video was clear and the detective didn't care or didn't check.
Three days to check? I'm guessing the answer was number one, no video.
Were they wearing identical clothes or something too? This story makes no sense lol
1 like@Guytrash Gurtdog yea no but foul pfp
0 likesWhat is there to get straight? Happens all the time. Ok, it took Michael Jackson years for his transformation, this guy obviously had better surgical care, and damn they were fast!
0 likes😆😆😆
0 likesYep! You got that straight.
0 likesBlack magic
0 likesDiagon Alley
0 likes@Guytrash Gurtdog How? What, are all factory workers for Nestle bad now because of the stuff Nestle has done? Cops are just trying to make a living and serve justice, there’s just a very small amount that are cruel, power abusing, and bad. Cops keep so much bad shit from happening to you and me, they keep horrible people from roaming the streets, yet you still mark all of them as evil and disgusting… My brother has been in the Army for a little while and is trained to be a police officer. He has a family (me included, obviously), friends, he’s in no way cruel or wrongdoing. Why do you hate your protectors and try to treat them this way?
1 likeThat’s not what happened. And look at all the ignorant people crying racism. Get over it, that’s not an issue to any real extent at all.
2 likes@Gavin Riley no they don’t
0 likesHe literally ignored the report handed to him with the info
They are people, not robots.
In addition a detective/investigator is supposed to be more educated than a beat/traffic cop having degrees and/or certifications
@Silaaron no operator allows a person to be non descriptive as emergency calls are life and death
0 likesA supervisor would pull them and have them retrained immediately and all phone calls are recorded
It’s in their training to get info from the person so they can dispatch with info
This includes making people repeat and go into detail while stressing the person be calm
Dispatchers do not rush conversations or gloss over
The operator heard white, dispatched looking for white, officer chased white and arrested black. Interrogator ignored notes and told the man he’s guilty with NO interrogation
End of story
@Teq for me it's the discomfort when he speaks while pretending he knows he did it lmao. Clearly sounds like a scared racist to me
0 likes@John Knoxis well said
0 likesAmerican police in a nutshell
0 likesMaybe he was of growing age.
0 likes@Shady Season the dif is that thw other guy had a ¨witness
0 likes@51.h.d.15 lol 😆
1 likeSounds like the plot from an "In Living Color" skit.
0 likesAnd what happened to all the jewelry this man supposedly stole? Lol
0 likesThat's Canada for you
0 likesCops know a magical shape shifting leprechaun when they see one. It's why they chose an investigator with an Irish accent. He's a professional.
0 likeswelp I'm glad after a year people seem to be talking about how fucked accusing the wrong person of something is instead of race in southern america.
0 likes@Gavin Riley Are you implying people can't hold prejudice against their own race? Go outside.
0 likesNo the cop was so NOT racist he didn't distinguish between a 6'3 black man and a small white man. The officers should have been commended!
0 likes@Quo Vadis right. 🤣🤣
0 likesWait so now I can get arrested if I don’t fit the description? Great!
0 likes@True Stark wow its almost like 13/50
2 likes@e13kid Ironically you make a racist remark trying to defend you wanting everything to be about muh racism.
0 likes@Osean Hale Your ignorance is showing
0 likes@Xan Frank Pretty sure it's you that have your own standard as to what racism is & constantly move the goalposts. I mean you agreed with someone who ironically made a racist remark so clearly you made some rule to exempt other from being qualified as racist.
0 likes@Epic Shadow Boy The video involves Canadian police force not the US.
0 likes@Pachitaro Y'all go to extreme lengths to explain everything as racism 🤣
0 likes@Vontrances The police force mentioned in the video belongs to the Canadians.
0 likes@Teq it’s by definition an unjust arresting anyway- they had a visual on somebody who was white and shorter but the first black dude they saw they immediately detained and tried to shut the case instantly.
0 likesWhat if… the cops could have some incompetency and also are genuinely bad people trying to convict an innocent black person?
@Teq oh wait… NOTHING is allowed to fit within the definition of racism anymore. Even the most obvious racist shitty behaviour (not saying this is an example of that) is responded to with “OMG EVERYTHING HAS TO BE RACIST NOWADAYS” no it’s just a pretty reasonable takeaway from the situation
0 likes@Elih Fisher Not reading any of this lmao
0 likes@Teq ah wait -“we don’t wanna hear that bullshit sharif!” Aight imma mind my business
0 likes@John Knoxis there are men in blue out their risking their lives every single day to keep us safe. To say every cop is bad with no hesitation and remorse is absolutely disgusting.
0 likes@Quo Vadis not racism, it's all to do with clearance rate
0 likes@Markus that's not how that works bro. All humans were tribalistic. Black people were colonized and enslaved and basically forced to play the game at a disadvantage. If you live in an all white neighborhood in the south and you see a black person for the first time it's very likely considering there is not social science class or anything that you will view them subconsciously as different. Its just how biology works. Racism can also be displayed through class. Poor people are looked down as dirty and vulgar and black people tend to be poorer because again they are put at a disadvantage because of their spawn point in life basically.
0 likes@Samuel Rodriguez it is how it works bro. You just wrote a paragraph explaining how I'm right 🤦🏼♂️😂
0 likes"Getting a confession void of evidence is in fact an excellent for an investigator's career. Its a mark of merit and can accelerate promotion." I think this is a serious issue that needs to be avoided to avoid such tragedies.
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My thoughts exactly... Sounds like something that literally motivates to frame people. I mean if you truly believe someone is guilty based on the interrogation so far and the evidence at hand then it's very natural to try to get the confession. There is no point to motivate investigators to get one without this hunch. Really a mind-boggling thing.
58 likesThis but something that wasn’t mentioned- getting a conviction in general is always good for the LO, regardless of whether it was wrongful or not. The more ‘criminals’ you help put away the further your career is gonna go. Never listen when the police say they have nothing to gain from you or anything along those lines.
18 likes@877-Cash-Now Yep, I'm gonna be honest, I know the "ACAB" thing gets a bad rap because people will call up some positive experience they had with a cop, but from my experience they pretty much all have a strong "us vs them" mentality when it comes to people they view as "criminals". They'll be perfectly cordial up until you've been accused of something, and then you're obviously slime and deserve nothing. Cops can be perfectly polite to their friends and family, but anyone who's ever been on the other end of an interrogation room knows that doesn't mean jack shit. They don't like to even entertain the idea that they could possibly be wrong, they always act as if they're right and the only obstacle is proving it. They don't even seem shaken up when they learn that the person they tried to frame was actually fully exonerated, to them innocence is not a defense since you probably did something else anyway. Falsifying evidence is extremely common, as is harassment and trying to illicit false confessions. Policing in general needs a major cultural and procedural shift if they're ever going to gain people's trust again.
18 likesI think it's fine, but there should be second detective, or i guess inspector, who checks if a detective does his job properly, and who gets high salary and bonuses for exposing corrupt (I mean state of mind, not only one, who takes bribes) detectives. Unfortunately there might be not enough hands for such job
1 likeAll of this because the cops need to try and justify their paychecks to their superiors!
0 likesIf you watch other videos you will see how it can be done right such as with Chris Watts, they had no evidence to pin it on him yet they got him to confess to the crime. It should be encouraged but straight up fabricating and lying for no reason should not be tolerated.
3 likes@0Bennyman hmm yeah i agree.
0 likesNot only that but it should be a punishable crime to arrest, accuse, or convict someone on something they didn't do for everyone involved including the prosecutor and the judge. If that was the case you bet your ass they would make damn sure they have the right person and they would take "innocent until proven guilty beyond all doubt" much more seriously. When people have skin in the game they're not gonna be so quick to over look or presume things they aren't certain about. Even the f jury should be punished if a wrongful conviction is proven.
1 likeThe most shocking part of this story is that the government employees involved in victimizing this man were actually punished.
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Wouldn't be a famous case if they weren't- it'd just be swept under a rug, and nobody would look into it ever again.
47 likesit’s canada, not the united states
31 likes@Rafplayz doesn't matter, lack of accountability for government enforcers is a worldwide problem
25 likes@Dan Corder yeah, but i've noticed a difference in the way police misconduct is handled on the police station's side here and in the united states
12 likes@Rafplayz i was gonna say the same thing
2 likesQualified immunity should be a crime and everyone who's ever relied on it should be tossed in prison.
3 likesyou got me there buddy....lol
1 likeDid you see that dog?
0 likesPlease don’t ever talk to police without a lawyer present. Imagine being 100% totally innocent and serving the rest of your life in prison because of something stupid that you said.
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Sounds like a pay day for me! Whether it’s a year or two in prison it’s worth the millions for me and my family. Fucckkkk yeah!
1 like@B the guy who went to prison for 2 years didn’t get any money and the first one got lucky and got 46k ion what you talking about
39 likes@B good luck with that. Two years in prison, then expect another 3-5 years dealing with courts to be offered a shit settlement that most lawyers will tell u to take.
19 likes@Vinal why he didn't get money?
0 likesAlways ask for an attorney
1 likeWas that your dog?
0 likesMy daughter found a wallet and took it to the police station. The owner reported it stolen and estimated he had a couple hundred dollars in it. When the police counted the money it was $170 and change. The police threatened to charge her for theft of the $30 difference. She never even looked in the wallet so had no idea how much was in it. She became terrified, the police then took her in an interview room and handcuffed her, after questioning her for about an hour or so, they let her go. She cried on and off for two days, she was 16. She will never hand in lost items again, when she found a handbag, she left it where it was, she no longer trusts the police.
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God, that’s awful. I hope your daughter is doing okay.
25 likesYou may wanna sit down with her and give her the facts. Otherwise you are allowing her to believe something that isn’t true.
5 likes@tatt4music What "facts"?
58 likesMan that is awful
1 like@tatt4music Sounds like her daughter knows the exact truth. She's not wrong at all.
37 likesI honestly don't understand why on earth you would bring it to a police station, a good deed never goes unpunished so it would seem.
9 likesI wonder what it would look like if the police was dismantled. Not defunded or whatever, but completely dismantled and removed.
0 likesPoor baby! SMH she believed she was doing the right thing and was punished for it! I hope she’s okay now ❤️
5 likes@tatt4music it's true, it happened to her.
0 likes@toshineon well to answer your question, we’d have a situation where the punishment wouldn’t meet the crime for lots of things. Heck any area can just decide that death would be a punishment for any crime and there’d be nothing to keep them in check. I do agree there are issues with the system, but no system is perfect and it’s better than the alternative of such a phenomenon.
2 likesShows how dumb police really are. If you were going to steal any amount, you wouldnt hand it in in the first place.
1 likeWhere is the logic of finding valuables and to think I'll hand it into police but I'll keep some of it. Either you take it all or not at all. Why take 30 when you can have 200. Makes no logical sense.
If the person reported it was 'estimated' to be 200 then 170 and change is close enough to be an estimate. They didnt know EXACTLY how much they had.
Not only that but she should be getting rewarded for handing it in as the person got their money back. They could have lost the lot.
lol tell her to grow up 16 ffs cried on and of LMFAOOOOO
1 likei am so sorry this happened to your girl. I really really hope and wish she has come out of that trauma.
0 likesYears ago when I worked as a cashier at a gas station I found a wallet in the parking lot and turned it in to the next cop who came in. The following day they tried to arrest me for theft because when the guy picked up his wallet it was empty of cash. Unlucky for them, I purposefully opened the wallet and showed the cash still in it on our security cam that was right over the regiester as I handed it over. Yep... the cops swiped the cash, of course nothing happened with that but at least I didn't get arrested.
1 likei feel so bad for the one guy who turned his life around only to be wrongfully charged.
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Wish I knew who he was so I could send him a card. Luckily I’ve never had this happen legally, but in my engineering career, coworkers’ ethics has been a huge issue for me. It’s like people are happily and willingly delusional because it “gets the job done”
192 likesYeah this happens way too often. There was another man who tried to turn his life around and started a family only to be wrongfully accused of murder and sentenced to life in prison.
113 likesI could feel his emotions, hard not to get upset knowing this happened to him and will continue to happen to innocent people.
63 likesAnybody else find it strange that that guy was in handcuffs in the interrogation room? Usually they at least wait until after the interview to cuff him.
28 likesI hope that dude got fucking millions and is living a happy life. I feel sick seeing his panic. Been there, hate that.
45 likesR.C. Whitehead police are people we all have flaws;) most are good the badys are very very bad
0 likes@kat king my life matters.
17 likes@Andrew McIntosh because he served 2 years in county jail for previous crime, handcuffing him was probably standard procedure.
1 likeThat's how it goes unfortunately for us.
2 likesMatheus Tran man \: life sucks
1 likekat king None are good because even the good ones protect a flawed system
12 likes@cmrn the problem is with dishonest individuals. It isn't systemic..
1 likeThe Quarantined Artist a flawed system sure it is but lumping all into one is a dangerous game you don’t want to go down that road it won’t end well for any of us .
0 likesWhen I was a teen, I saw a cop on tv said: "NEVER TRUST A COP. They are not your friend. They will Lie to you." Remember your rights: You have the RIGHT to remain SILENT. ANYTHING you SAY can and will be used AGAINST you.
11 likes@SineEyed 2020 The system allows said dishonest individuals to get away with such behaviour, and in some cases even encourages it with broken mechanisms and incentives.
9 likesCoercing false confessions, the presumption of guilt without investigation, mandatory minimums, evidence tampering, junk-science 'expert testimony', falsified reporting etc etc etc.
I am not making a political statement and am not at all on the 'acab' bandwagon - this is a real problem that affects Americans of all walks of life, but particularly low-socioeconomic. It is built into the system.
@cmrn I agree that there are plenty of issues, and many unjust things occur within the justice system. But that will always be the case in any system which has humans operating within it.
0 likesI disagree that the system lets them get away with it. Even in this video that idea is shown not to be true.
I reject your claim of there being broken mechanisms and incentives which encourage individuals to conduct themselves outside of the rules of the system. That is unless you can provide evidence for such things, or at least point to something specific I could investigate on my own.
If you have no evidence, you have no claim..
Always ask for a lawyer, even if you’re innocent . Never talk directly to the cops.
11 likesThey are NOT your friend.
@edicius Those that have husbands instead (unless they have both).
0 likesI hate to say it but most law enforcement are kind of lazy when it comes to catching criminals. Real life is the opposite of TV. They look for the easiest target and if they can make it stick, case closed. They don’t have time to spend a week or longer on one case unless it’s a high profile thing so either they just won’t make any headway or pin it on whoever makes the most sense - if they don’t have a good lawyer, well prisons stay full. From my personal experience as a victim of a hit and run - the police were 100% not interested in doing any work to find who did it because I didn’t do half the work for them by getting the license plate- I just had a description of the vehicle and that was too much work for them.
4 likesher boyfriend beat her up so to cover it up she accused Justin of breaking in and robbing and assaulting her. The boyfriend wasn't supposed to be around her already and she didn't want him to get in trouble again so she had to blame Justin of doing it.
3 likesThere was a case where one guy was supposed to be in prison for like 16 years, but got out early due to a clergical error. Upon release, he got his life together, started a family, and was living happily, until the day he was set for release when police went to get him and, well. He wasn't, obviously. I can't recall exactly what happened to him, but it was overall good for him. If anything happened, at maximum he had to spend like 2 more months or years in jail.
0 likes@SineEyed 2020 I disagree, there are some issues that lie in the system itself. Like allowing cops expelled from one force to simply hop on over to another.
0 likes@kat king They are people with flaws, but in their position of power and authority, they should be (and are) absolutely aware that their bad decisions and judgements can fucking ruin someone's life, if not a generation of that person's family.
1 likeThey have significantly more accountability on their shoulders. They should be treated as such.
@Salem Crow allowing cops expelled from one force to simply hop on over to another, isn't a systemic issue because it doesn't happen often, and it doesn't happen everywhere. The number of times this occurs versus the total number of officers serving must be an incredibly tiny fraction. I've only heard of something like that happening a couple of times. I don't pay a great deal of attention to it though, so, it might happen much more frequently than I'm aware of. If you have any data or statistics on the subject, I'd be happy to look over your sources to potentially update my understanding of it.
1 likeRegarding your comment to kk, I very much agree that anyone holding a position of authority and/or power should be held to a higher standard. Those who enforce the laws we citizens must abide by, must abide by them as well. If an officer violates the law, he violates our trust in his ability to enforce the law in a just and fair-minded manner. And the consequence of undermining the public's trust in our police forces, is that it can quickly lead to the destabalization of the inherent security of the communities in which we live. The police are necessary - vitally. While there will always be bad actors which find their way into positions of power, there will always be exponentially more bad actors amongst us in the population at large. Bad actors amongst the police can, like you said, completely ruin someone's life; perhaps extending that ruin to others in their family. How many more lives are ruined by the criminals walking around in public with us though? Orders of magnitude, I would say. And how many ruined lives would there be if the police didn't exist at all? I don't even want to try to imagine what that world looks like tbh..
@kat king and it's the goodies responsibility to get them out of the department. good cops dont let bad cops be cops.
1 like@Andrew McIntosh probably because of his past arrest they did it to prevent hostility, or thats what I assumed anyway this could be total bs idk
0 likes@Chelsea Hardy people rarely get a dime, if they do it is much less than you would expect for losing years of your life.
0 likesHe should of known better, after being through the system. ANY time police ask u a question, your only response should be “I want a lawyer present for any and all questions”.
1 likeMan..had full on PTSD about going back to prison, you could hear it in his voice. And the fact he went to prison for two years after that for something he didn’t do, just makes this interrogation hurt so much worse.
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Maybe he was on probation and they said he violated it, not Canadian but that is how it works in the US.
0 likesThis happened to a friend of mine. He was innocently imprisoned for a year, and trials afterwards didn't clear his name up to this day. It's been 19 years ever since. Screw Justice.
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Tell me he's out
3 likes@Killer Rabbit he was out after one year.
11 likes@Killer Rabbit so he's gay too?
8 likes@W. K.
0 likesIt would appear so.
justice is a good thing. lack of justice isnt
3 likes"My innocent friend was found guilty at trial, innocently imprisoned, and multiple appeals processes STILL found him guilty! It's almost as if he was actually guilty of the crime (of which he was innocent), but he wasn't for some reason! Screw justice!"
0 likes@JD Hayward I pray you don't get falsely accused of anything, my friend.
7 likes@W. K. that’s so random wtf
1 likeBet he did it lul
0 likesI feel like the level of anger from the second guy is increased even more simply from him knowing the amount of work he put into to get away from that life so that he’ll never end up being put back in prison… Only to be falsely accused and have to risk being put in prison again for something he didn’t even do. Its like a sick prank on him to make him feel like he’s always at risk of being put back in jail no matter how hard he tries to be a good person.
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Unfortunately, that's how the system treats people. I know a lot of people from halfway houses that worked for my old employer. They swear that Parole Officers set you up for failure by not telling you of certain dates you must appear.
21 likesOne trust the police will do their job the othe one knows the system already.
3 likesThat's Catch-22. In order to be not guilty you must be innocent. But if you've been found guilty before you're hardly innocent now, are you? Bake him away, toys!
1 likeThat's by design
0 likesThis “detective” is such an arrogant, smug douchebag. “The evidence is paramount” “I know you did it so I’m not even going to ask” then says “it’s my job to find out if what we were talking about is actually true”. Fire this man and review all past convictions he covered.
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bro it's not his job to work out if someone's guilty or innocent
0 likes@aah qaak is is his job to review the evidence, which he didn’t do and acted like he did, saying it was “paramount” and “conclusive”.
10 likes@aah qaak what? That's literally his job
0 likes@aah qaak "bro it's not a job for plumbers to fix your toilet"
0 likes@Jabox and the bag His job is to create the highest % chance and highest sentence for conviction
0 likesIf he's guilty or innocent was up to whoever sent him in there
@aah qaak I agree to some of your points but don't act like they don't have that power to set them free. Also they have to interview or interrogate a lot of people sometimes. Do you think they're there to arrest everybody? Imo They are just as guilty as the people who arrested him which is probably why they were demoted too
0 likesLuckily at the end of the video it says they were demoted and suspended without pay. Idk how long the suspension was for obviously but at least that's good, and glad the guy got a solid 50k out of his ordeal.
0 likes“Wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years.”
11988 likesThat breaks my heart.
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Even the guy staying in jail over night is upsetting.
1080 likes@Satfire's Cat At least he got a 46'000 Canadien dollares for the "inconvinience" (I know, spelling). I've heard that you can spend 20 years, wrongfully convicted in a US prison and don't get a dime for it
745 likes@Magnus Carlsson 46 000 dollars Canadian for 3 and a half days WHAT A LUCKY BASTARD!! or is that like a 100 euros?
227 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! 46k canadian are like 38k american dollars
223 likes@Вук Марковић so over 10 000 American dollars for each day!! like I said: LUCKY BASTERD!!
114 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! how tf is that lucky? Even if the arrest doesn't go on his record, his current and future employers may want to stay away from him due to the controversy, and plus he's probably been psychologically hurt by this; more anxious and more resentful. Three days in a jail cell is no walk in the park either.
671 likes@setik what controversy? why would employers know about it?
67 likesalso, he doesn't look like he's made of sugar, 80 hours in a cell isn't 80 hours spent in a park (in summer, no rain) especially if there's nothing to read (maybe he got lucky and they gave him enough to read, dude seems like a reader of books) but don't exaggerate it, please.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! I dunno. Just wanted to point it out that it wasn't the "benchmark standard" $...my guessing is that CADs value is 2/3-3/4 of a US dollar...I will google it thou...for my self only :)
9 likesEdit: Can't help it. Must share. CAD 1 equal USD 0.83....or CAD 1 gives you EURO 0.68
@Fu*k Poe's Law! If he knew he would be free after three days and weren't treated horrifically and called a criminal and liar throughout that whole time, I'd say maybe.
164 likesBut it's not just the unjustified time served, it's the mental anguish you go through trying to prove your innocence to someone who won't listen to reason.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! What do you mean he literally said he had to let someone know he wasn't making it into work ? ,exaggerate ? do you know what its like to be black and falsely accused stop trying to underplay this miscarriage of justice the police didn't do there jobs right at all that's why they were demoted and suspended without pay. "doesn't look like hes made of sugar " who the hell says that to someone falsely accused
27 likesWell for me the ability to draw a map of there path and they are willing to go and say alright if I did it go ask this person I was with them at the time of the so-called robbery that’s proof enough for me that they are innocent
8 likes@Kerwyn Telemaque
23 likes1. It was a miscarrage of justice.
2. The detectives involved got demoted
3. The guy got almost 50,000 Canadian dollars.
Wrong place at the wrong time quickly turned into right place at the right time. It would have been unpleasant for those three days but as a result not only did bad investigators get punished, he was also given a huge amount of money. There'd be no controversy over his innocence because he was both freed almost immediately and won his lawsuit against the police that wrongfully imprisoned him.
Personally, I'd be celebrating if I got 50,000 after just 3 days in jail. I'm pretty young so that's literally more than my life savings.
AMERICA
1 like@Phy Echo *Canjada
5 likes@setik I'd sit in jail for three days for 48 leafgrand. Put that in the market and you're on the path to retirement.
0 likes@setik You sound like a typically litigious American, trying to squeeze every dime and tear out of the experience.
8 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! it was a Civil suit so he probably only saw about $5,000. His lawyers probably got most of it.
3 likes@Phy Echo it was canada
2 likes2 years is nothing for some are tortured their whole life
0 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! ppl like you will always find a way to excuse a police officers behaviour. disgusting. He was in a jail cell for 3 days without knowing what was going to happen, except he was being charged for a crime he didnt commit. he didnt "get" 46k dollars, he sued the police department to get justice. do you understand that? they werent like: "sorry for the inconvenience, here are 46k bucks". he sued the state. What the officer did was at best egotistical and at worst malicious. both are things that are REALLY not supposed to influence a choice over a persons freedom.
23 likes@duskmare0000 It wasnt right place at the right time. Please for goodness sake keep in mind that the money was for damages and time lost. You saying right place right time, is like telling someone who got a broken leg from being hit by a car to celebrate. he also didnt just "get" those 46k, he had to sue for those DAMAGES.
8 likesA lot of misinformation here. 46000 Canadian dollars is roughly 27 cents here in the states. Get it right guys, stop the spread.
8 likesLawsuit
0 likesIt said, If convicted... he could get two years. That breaks your heart?
0 likes@Kerwyn Telemaque I can not tell if you are trolling or just not the brightest crayon. Before you take that literally, don't.
0 likes@Clayton Turnbull what would I be trolling about ? and oh very funny because I took his 3 year old comment literally your trying to be funny haha there you go you got your laugh can you leave so the actual intelligent people can talk like i really don’t know why your trying to argue the validity of it even the court saw that it was wrong that’s why they were demoted and suspended if you really wanna fight verdict talk to the court not me stop wasting my time
0 likes@Clayton Turnbull also my main point is It didn’t have to happen and it shouldn’t have happened it could have easily been avoided with proper due process
0 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! for each day? You mean for each year?
0 likes@Romy – the other one was three and a half day I'm talking about the quiet, well spoken, bald guy
0 likes@Magnus Carlsson actually you can get money 5 black men got wrongfully accused it’s a show on Netflix called when they see us and they got a lot of money
1 like@Parrison Hu who cares that’s still a lot how about you go waste 2 years in prison
0 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! He was wrongfully imprisonned and disgustingly judged. He deserved to be paid, obviously. He spent three days in jail for NO REASON. if i was to kidnapp someone and lock them in my basement for 3 days, theres a high chance they'd sue me and get me sent to jail after i had to pay them a lot of money for the emotional damages. Its the same thing here, but its the government locking someone up for no reason and causing distress and emotional damages.
8 likes@Magnus Carlsson You kids didnt listen i geuse. He was only in there for 3.5 days. And then another detective got him out by looking att hes aliby and evidence that there was against him. He got 46.000 dollars for the almost 4 days in jail will being innocent.
0 likes@Doet Er Niet Toe Please, don't tag me again until you've passed at least second grade English (read and understand). Thank you for understanding
0 likesEdit: OK, I was'nt answer the OP's OP. I was answering the first comment in the thread....that I now saw and reallised also was the OP
@London Kaya Key word: "can"
0 likes@Magnus Carlsson you shouldn’t get money for free that’s not how life works💀 life isn’t fair bud
0 likes@London Kaya ....but but...why?
0 likescrying...like a lot
Not even lunch....in prison. Fuck...life i s hard
"shouldn't"....who was given money for "free"?
@Fu*k Poe's Law!
1 likeI don't know about that, I spent 9 hours in a inner city jail as a result of a false claim, and it was hell, I was packed in a room overnight with 10-15 other people laying down on cold concrete clinging to a piece of paper while trying to go to sleep knowing I can't cause I'm too shaken by it all, mad, sad, lost, and confused.
I can only imagine what nightmares he had to endure in 3 days let alone those unfortunate souls that spend years in that horrid environment.
I can honestly see why some falsely accused kill themselves in that place, it's just devoid of all hope, and meaning.
I mean sure he got 40g, but that's only a fair settlement if you've never experienced even an ounce of it yourself, that trauma, and loss of time is hardly something you can quantify with money.
@Lauren B Am I a "very strange person", if I think my example is worse?😬
0 likesRather been executed than get pissed on every day for the rest of my life in the "free"...imo.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! Most employers ask if you've ever been arrested for any crime. Regardless of whether you were convicted or not, an arrest for anything = bye bye job offer. And even if they don't ask (or you lie), they can do a simple Google search.
2 likes@Christian Brown You think there's no other fallout from being arrested and charged with a crime? Good luck getting a job.
1 like@bigchiefbc I make 38k a year at the age of 21 and have been arrested multiple times. I think I’m fine bud, worry about yourself.
0 likes@bigchiefbc a simple Google search??? what country are you talking about that puts their arrests on internet?
0 likes@Christian Brown Then you've been lucky. Almost every job that I or my wife have applied for in our adult lives asks if you've ever been arrested (not even convicted).
1 like@Infanity 😳😄😅😂🤣😂🤣😊🤣
0 likes@Tomatenpressehab' doch nichts gesagt über die Polizei?
0 likes@bigchiefbc 😳 The US are weird 😳
0 likesWow smh
0 likesMe too 💔
0 likeswhat happened to the right to a speedy trial? two years sure as hell isn't speedy
0 likesI hope the bearded dude got some serious serious compensation for those 2 wasted years. Hell, maybe even wipe his record — that would be a good repayment.
0 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! Getting arrested is traumatizing tbh. Getting stripped, searched, gettin your belt and shoes taken, and made to "sleep" on a piss soaked gym mat.
1 likeHe probably didn't sleep at all if he was in there for one day.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! His employer will know he was in jail cause he's a responsible guy and called his employer to let them know he won't be in.
1 like@Johnny Natrium Bro, being litigious is a good thing. You absolutely need to sue every time someone wrongs you. Otherwise you're just a victim getting milked for everything you're worth.
2 likesIt's the modern world. You can't respond to every wrong with violence, you need to learn to use the courts.
@ThatSpyGuy He needs to sue. Seriously.
1 like@Max Pulido You know what, in America your judicial system is so tragically f'd up that I can understand the common man seeing it as the best option to just join the crooked game that has been forced on them, and at least try to win while they're at it. That still leaves the fact that it shouldn't be that way in the first place, and actual change needs to happen somehow. But American lower-middle class civilians, who are among the least free people in the Western world, among the most exploited classes of global society, are so stressed out by the notion of trying to fix anything substantial that they just go with the status quo and act out their frustration towards ambivalent, useless distractions like Antifa and bashing and condemning people who are in another political 'camp' than they are. An American politician's job has been perfectly specialized over the years, into being able to coast on getting people riled up over nonsense that doesn't actually require work or fix any problems ("Economy? Health care? nonono, the real problem is those guys in the middle east, STOP worrying about those complex issues, just blame some group that isn't in my demographic - like those sandn-g--rs who you've never met before and whose children we bomb so the conflict keeps going and they'll stay weak and exploitable for natural resources - we gotta get THEM cause they're out to get you; stop worrying about life in America or your kids will die when Achmed comes rollin round shootin up the school which is definitely not a psychological epidemic we need to address but just evil people that we gotta bash" or "We're gonna get abortion discussions rolling again so them dumb sheep'll fight each other and forget about the way their pensions are taken away, how they're corporate slaves with no freedom of expression - at least until I can get promoted or retire, and then it's the next guy's turn"). I mean when everyone's so busy being angry at half of their countrymen and being convinced that they're pure evil scum just cause they said a word that doesn't fit the new SJW bible, or vice versa, and being on their ipad all day cause they need some distraction but iPads and sports matches only make em more upset and distracted; plus the prescription medication dealers.. I get that you can't fight to be on the high road bro. I couldn't if I lived there at this time. Luckily in The Netherlands we don't need to be litigious because throughout most of our history we've built up organized, free support that actually works, and works quickly, when your rights have been violated. I for instance am appalled at the power that your employers have over your livelihood especially when companies have become so humongous. Of course you have to sue when they can just boot you out of a job for no good reason, and you're the one who has to come up with the defense rather than the other way around. (ofc by 'free' care here I mean it is shared by the people with taxes, which btw are not higher than in America because the gvt screws you out of money, that they can sink into 'homeland security' like the military, meaning they can do and privately own whatever they research because it's state secret 'for your benefit', besides the fact that it doesn't stay at home - because all it gets used for is inciting ehem I mean exploiting cough I mean SPREADING FREEDOM throughout the world).
1 likeThe saddest thing is hearing him say he was a bad guy in his twenties, but all he has done is work hard and stay away from that stuff, then he goes down for some trashy girl's lies.
0 likesOur Lord and Savior was wrongfully accused and sentenced to be crucified. He lives.
0 likes@setik employers might employee him for good publicity for giving a wrongfully accused and imprisoned a chance.
0 likes@George or the proven innocent tman that was in prison for around 45 years that only got out recently, with absolutely no compensation.
0 likesrecently man from poland was proven innocent after doing 18 years
1 like@Fu*k Poe's Law! The controversy is being arrested in the first place. Employers don't like that.
0 likes@Avenger[K] if he just tells his future employer what happened when asked, (face to face, no email) then he has a nice test against shitty narrowminded employees. The guy doesn't look like he's got to take every little job available.
1 like@George Actually, that is why the State of Michigan was the first democratically elected government in the world to ban the death penalty. This occurred in the 1840s. In Detroit, when a husband was hung because he accidently killed his wife in a drunken fit, he was so remorseful and crying on what he had done that he kept begging forgiveness. The crowd that was watching the execution was greatly affected and saddened. This was followed later when it came out that an innocent young Detroit man had been tragically executed by the Windsor, Canada authorities just across the Detroit River for killing a young girl. Soon after, the real murderer was identified and arrested. Actually, the State of Michigan has never executed anyone. Any executions occurred before statehood. This is something for Michigan to be proud of.
1 like@Infanity lmao it's more like .80 cents to the dollar.... 27 cents? 💩
0 likes@Sean Carter yeah buddy….it was obviously a joke lol hope I didn’t cause you offense with my super serial micro aggression
0 likes@Infanity I didn't wake up in the middle of the night with a cold sweat thinking about it
0 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! It's like a bit over 35k us dollars. Lots of the damages were because he wasn't treated decently at all, the interrogator pretty much told him this: "I know you did it based on this evidence which we don't actually have, what other crimes did you do?". Canadians are very polite so this behavior was inexcusable.
0 likesMy grandfather got wrongfully accused for two years, too. He brought back chocolate milk for us every night before bed. He's now in the countryside now. It's been 3 years and I miss him so much,,
0 likes@simoki_ two years is shorter than 3 years, just thought I'd let you know
0 likes@duskmare0000 I'd feel that way, too, at 18. I even know people injured in an accident who were happy to get 40K, and guys happy to get a few grand for being hit by a car while riding a bike. But you really should consider the stresses and time consumed by court/trial, the lawyer's cut (likely 1/3), possibly tax. As an American, I'm surprised the settlement was so low.
0 likes@setik I’d take that money any day, happily give up my freedom for three days and make that cash
0 likesHe should sue the city. He deserves millions for the horrific experience.
0 likes@Magnus Carlsson so like a years salary as a food server
0 likesNot true
0 likesThere are many cases like this unfortunately
0 likes@Infanity um what?
0 likes@Johnny Natrium I just wanna know, have you ever actually lived in the states?
0 likesMan deserves atleast 2 years wages. Right fucking now and a written apology to everyone they took him from. And that's a fucking bare bare bare bare minimum. You should give him that just so he will go easier on his case against your law enforcement agency
0 likesEspecially when he said that he had turned his life around. I felt so bad that he was wrongfully in prison for two years after working so hard to be a better person.
0 likes@Lauren Eliza he wasn't in prison for two years
0 likesIt happens more than you would think and a lot of times it's done with plea bargaining. you can get people to admit to things they never did if you threaten them with enough jail time and convince them that fighting it is hopeless and will get them even more time.
0 likesTaking it to court becomes gambling with years of your life.
This happened to my cousin. They told him he could get 20 years and really, what he did was not what he was charged with.
He did SOMETHING, but not nearly the charge they convinced him to plea to.
His public defender should have helped him, but I think you'll find that the public defender does not give a shit about anything but getting a check and pleaing you out.
@Fu*k Poe's Law! Exactly mate, I'd have the biggest shit eating grin in this situation. "Oh, tell me more mate because I could use the money".
1 like@Fu*k Poe's Law! ever been in a jail cell?
0 likes@Lloyd yes, longer than a few days too; hell, even innocent once or twice!
0 likesThat's a lot of time wasted.
0 likes@Tom Redd long live Michigan!
0 likes@Fu*k Poe's Law! I am with you!!!!
0 likes@Tom Redd you could use that money too! 🤝
0 likes@Tomatenpresse I don't want too downplay anything, I'm not ...ehm necessarily a friend of the police
0 likes(although I've been pleasantly surprised by the French police (and/or gendarmerie); several times, most of the times they behaved like normal non-authoritarian human beings)
It happens ALL the time. Especially in the US. I’ve seen stats that say MOST people in jail don’t have a trial date set. That’s county jail not prison.
0 likes@Magnus Carlsson ...immediately makes it about America. Okay, now it's about America. In Canada you can't even talk freely without being wrongfully imprisoned. Tf?
0 likesI Donno there’s 1000s of innocent ppl doing LIFE in jail now that’s upsetting
0 likesHe's got previous so don't feel to bad.
0 likestotally. so sad....i hope he atleast got compensated for time spent and sufferring...
0 likesit pains me to hear "that he doesn't know that he's about to be wrongly imprisoned for ~2 years" that is terrifying and a tragedy
69 likes"To get a confession without evidence is an amazing mark on a detective's career"
163 likesThis is why more than just a confession is required today.
It's fucking amazing that a cop can lie straight faced saying "I know you did this there's video of you doing this" when the person was on a bus while it was happening.
54 likesEspecially when considering the dispatch description was literally opposite of the person in the chair...
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I know in a lot of places in Europe cops aren't allowed to lie to you like that anymore because it's unethical and can result in innocents being convincted when they "confess" under that pressure, but for numerous reasons police reform in the US has been either resisted or slow/nonexistent.
1 likeTwo men attacked me in front of multiple witnesses. I defended myself against them with my fists. They pinned me up against a wall, faces an inch from mine, fists clenched. After warning them multiple times I lashed out and sent the pair sprawling. I was arrested, charged, locked up for many hours and went to trial TWELVE MONTHS LATER. The judge found me entirely innocent and was absolutely disgusted with the police because they refused to interview the witnesses. He said " You walked in here an honourable man, and that is how you will leave here! You did what any man should have done in your position." Police are the enemy - NEVER, EVER, TRUST THEM.
13 likesthe fact that he got framed and charged for robbery after he actively made change in his life to overcome his criminal past and to become a better person is fucking awful
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So sad to watch stuff like that happen, I don't know why that girl lied about him in the court
181 likesI hope he got compensated
76 likes@SocksInAHat that never happens, it's always the legal system being "oopsy, sorry lmao"
248 likes@Daniel Miyahara kinda fucked up but didn’t the black guy get compensated? Im sure this guy would too, especially for doing a few years
46 likesit happens a lot because once your in the system you later "fit the description"
31 likes@SocksInAHat yeah but that was only after a civil trial, judging by the fact that the other guy still got wrongfully imprisoned despite there being minimal evidence, he probably didn’t have a private lawyer
12 likesim sure his spirit is happy about it
0 likesWell wahts crazy is that if he played that wrong he would have still ended up locked up again.
0 likesSeems like life is.
0 likesHeartbreaking tbh
1 likeIs also a sing from God letting him know that he shoukd keep working hard that he'll be good if he keeps that path of a humble life
2 likesThe worst part is he solved the crime in the interrogation room. If they just listened to him. He knew exactly what happened and told them!!
18 likesIt's honestly horrible what we put convicts through
23 likeshow are people supposed to make a change to their life if they're socially ostricized and even the legal system is stacked against them despite them serving their time in accordance to the legal system
Working as an junior lawyer in india rn I have seen cases excess of a hundred innocents have been charged or are under arrest for investigation under non bailable sections which can keep them behind bars for even upto a decade or life without evidence.
2 likes@Bilal Omer Must suck to be a lawyer
0 likes@Crassie Wassie yeah especially painfull when u have to explain to the relatives and the loved ones especially the uneducated and poor that the bail application was rejected after an entire year hopeful fighting of the case.
0 likes@Bilal Omer it must also be shitty to see how high bail is.. I'm pretty sure the level we set bail at today especially in this economy is ridiculous
1 likePlease don't swear
0 likes@FortniteKid123 Yess
0 likes@Crassie Wassie thank you.
0 likes@FortniteKid123 Follow your dreams and be polite
0 likesSeriously
0 likes@AnDrea Lopez good reason for god to kill the devil!
0 likesJust goes to show you that God forgives, people might over time, but the system won't forgive and they won't forget.
1 likego back to twitter
0 likes@Luke Neiswander man moment
0 likes@The Astro_Nut what
0 likesI got sentenced guilty for saying a bad word, which I didnt. Now Im becoming criminal and start to destroy stuff, throw heavy stuff at people while I hide. And I did way worse stuff. NOW I am criminal
0 likesSometimes judges do the wrong...
Except he wasn't a "bad" person to begin with. What a disgusting implicit notion you propagate with your statement (claiming that living a crime-free life makes someone a "better person" implies that criminals are not good people intrinsically in their nature- You can see how gross this fabrication is hopefully). And he was so easily convicted precisely because of this past. The judicial system regards transgressors as possessing a certain intrinsic nature, so when there is a case like this with no evidence against him except the word of a witness, his purportedly recognized nature which has already been established by the judicial system becomes the primary piece of evidence used against him. Its fucking disgusting and these cops should be beheaded for a new public armed with new notions - unlike the disgusting ones you operate with.
1 like@SocksInAHat one of the comments said he go 45k!
0 likesI'm going through it right now. Changed my life became an Executive Chef, pursuing a PhD in psychology. My ex is trying to sink me to get what she can. If it wasn't for God my kids and family I would be hopeless. Taking everything to trial. My life has been one traumatic event after another.
0 likesThis type of thing happens all the time unfortunately, once you have a criminal record you are a second class citizen and can be written off by most ppl
2 likes@Bilal Omer
0 likesYou judge them to be innocent or?
@AnDrea Lopez holy shit, your right
0 likes@Crassie Wassie Couldn't agree more. I feel you should not have to disclose any felony status after being released, or at least very shortly after.
2 likesI see very little benefit to society in continuing to punish these people. In fact, I feel we actively make these people more dangerous through our treatment.
It does remove them from the voter roll, so some may like that.
The dark shaded man got compensation as he was caught due to officer's fault.
1 like@Crassie Wassie i agree with this 100%. Hard life out there getting discriminated because you have a criminal record. This only makes convicts relapse into recidivism because they have no other say to make money.
0 likes@Sandra Bullock this would be like cutting off a dogs legs for losing a race and then getting angry it couldn't win with only 2 legs
1 like@Crassie Wassie it is pretty fucked up...
0 likes@Armando Flores how does getting shafted while plugging diligently along the straight and narrow reinforce THAT Belief ?
0 likes@Bilal Omer 🥶
0 likes@Carbon Compounds i didnt watch the whole vid yet how wss it determined her allegations werefalse?
0 likes@zbrhd that is just a excuse for being a bad person. Being a vandal and potentionally assaulting someone just because you are falsely accused for saying a bad word? That is hillarious, comical even. Get outta here.
0 likesIm getting extremely angry that the guy got a 2 year sentence without doing anything, turned his life around and get punished for that. Its infuriating and i hope that all interrogators learn by these mistakes, cause it is absolutely horrible!
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It sounded like he was in jail for two years awaiting trial. When the trial came that's when he was exonerated.
1 like@Stephen Stansell Hard to tell what happened exactly from this. And without a last name there’s no way to research.
0 likes@William Bogue I really hope I misunderstood. Because if someone was innocent/found innocent and lost 2 years of his life that is bullshit. And it happens too long.
2 likesJustin was like, "sound like dude beat her up and she's pinning it on me"...turned out to be exactly right!
32 likesThe system is so broken. If you've got a record you're screwed. No one will believe you aren't guilty if you've been shown to be guilty before.
Its messed up
The "investigator" who interviewed Michael is a truly disgraceful, incompetent bafoon. I hope that he feels guilty about this situation to this day, and that he is never taken seriously as a law enforcement employee again.
35 likesIt's disgusting and truly terrifying to promote competition in a workplace that involves ruining a person's life, whether it be justified or not
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Just HAVE to say: awesome screen name—> BEST EVER!
0 likes"he is unaware that he is about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years" that genuinely broke my heart.
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I wish there was some follow up on the witness. Either she lied or she confused him with someone else.
317 likesSo sad!
18 likes@Owie40 it says in the video, during trial her story was picked apart and it uncovered it was a lie
468 likes@Nate Climer Thanks I guess I missed that part, but I wish she paid some price for the guy getting locked up for two years.
244 likes@Owie40 no problem :) yeah, hopefully something happened with that.
14 likesHe has had a criminal record when they brought him in.
1 likeShows how the whole process is not fit for purpose
6 likes@martk fartkerson That would be an argument if we were the men that did that but last i checked those are long dead and now we're paying for something we didn't do
104 likes@martk fartkerson so now it’s unofficially legal to lie to cops and a court, as long as you’re female. And as long as your victim is not a female? I’m a woman and can’t understand how that makes sense. If you want to do penance, I don’t know, give me money. That’s a victimless action and money is actually useful to me.
72 likesit happens ALL THE TIME far Far more than people realize
17 likes(it happened to ME) that's what happens when you are totally Trusting of the cops / and YOU are just a more than straight person.... it comes out All Wrong .... because the police are accustomed to ~Criminals~ (they are NOT accustomed to super respectful & super innocent people who have NO experience with such things) ........... even using the word "Survival Instinct" .......... if you are BEYOND innocent, (yet still in a "frightening" situation) guess what???? a 'survival instinct' does NOT suddenly show up............ why? ... because you go way WAY out on a limb trying to cooperate with the cops............. (like the innocent bald dude did, (at first) when accused of robbery) it took him far too long to REALIZE what deep doo doo he was in............. because HE is the "type" who NEVER is in deep doo doo ........ that's EXACTLY what happened to Me... it . happens . a . lot . more . than . you . may . believe ........ a highly... "innocent" ...person, is NOT what the cops are accustomed to. They are accustomed to "Criminals" .............. and criminals have "survival" instincts.......... honest people do not NEED "survival" instincts (so we never had a chance to develop such things) ..........we do not "need" it. (so we get buried) ---- by the time you've figured out ...W.T.Hell... happened.................... it is too late
IK 😖
0 likesEspecially considering he was basically reformed after he got out. As he said, he knew he fucked up and he would do that shit again :(
8 likes@martk fartkerson Unfortunately the same cannot be said for black people who were actually legally considered property and enslaved by rich Americans. They still get shot down by law enforcement.
8 likes@martk fartkerson That is incredibly illogical, hateful and childish. Two wrongs make a right? No they do not. Try thinking past the superficial level. Nobody should be punished for something somebody else did.
32 likes@skdjirrrdjdm I agree that it's a childish opinion, but explain to me how it's illogical. "Two wrongs don't make a right" is a philosophical norm, not a logical argument. The function of our moral philosophies are to right wrongs that reality fails to justify. But that doesn't make the unfairness of nature any less logical. Two wrongs make a right on a constant basis in nature, which is why we have a social contract with governments and institutions to protect our rights. I was making a very base statement of fact -- one that I disagree with on a philosophical level, but see as plainly evident in our human nature.
2 likesI was going to ask about this too. He then said that the woman’s testimony was found in court to be full of lies. So did the guy get jailed or didn’t he?
3 likes@martk fartkerson crazy. Hope he made millions in compensation!
12 likesI died a bit inside when I heard that.
2 likes@Jose Rodriguez Well I think what you're saying makes no sense and is an antiquated view of reality. In my ancestor's viking society both men and women fought side by side on the battlefield. They served the same role -- to rape and pillage the weak.
2 likes@cassl14 are you threating the guy? I'm confused.
0 likes@Steven John Tait
9 likesHe was jailed while awaiting his trial. It's not the same as being sentenced and doing prison time after a finding of guilt.
Everyone is taken into custody for that type of charge. If bond is set and they can afford it, they could possibly bail out until their trial. Otherwise they are stuck there for years sometimes. Preparing for a trial takes time.
No, there was no retrial. It was the only one, and he was exonerated.
He cant sue for wrongful imprisonment because he was never convicted of anything. He was not serving a sentence.
i dont hate women, but ive heard some pretty messed up things about the justice system in america. it seems like if that guy’s lawyer hadn’t caught candy lying on the stand, the guy could have gone to jail for another 20 years instead of just 2.
5 likesalso wondering, was he held without bail? or could he not afford it?
@martk fartkerson nice bait lol
3 likes@Lostjoy IX holy moly so much bait here XD
0 likesMine 2... They stole 2 years of his life
2 likes@martk fartkerson Exactly! Sons should always pay for the sins of the fathers! Love it!
1 like@Y2 Krashman Eh, that's a little too philosophical. I was going for something so base that it bears no similarity to human philosophy, no metaphysical human interest plays into my assertion, but rather plays off of an unthinking causation.
0 likes@Bill Bauer So?
1 like@Fellow Memer Satire is a thing, my friend. Like Jonathan Swift's essay 'A Modest Proposal' which suggested that Irish Catholics eat their babies to solve a potato famine. He didn't literally mean that they should eat their babies. You're capable of understanding this concept, yes?
0 likes@martk fartkerson You’ll need to explain in further detail!
0 likes@Y2 Krashman Why don't you go back to your high school curriculum and review required reading. This is like asking someone to explain algebra. You should already know this if you're an adult. If you're not an adult, go read Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' along with some Sparks notes or something that will give you better context on the writing. Get a jump start on your education.
1 like@Fellow Memer For every conviction one has, it is estimated that there are multiple crimes that one hasn't been convicted for. So he should just assume that he has been made to served time for one of his many other crimes. That has got to make him feel better about it.
0 likes@cassl14 so is that a yes or no? Not so easily confused just don't know who you are.
0 likesIt made my heart drop. I hope he got justice
1 like@Zippy Cat He GOT justice.
0 likes@donovan colin Sounds like a personal problem. Must be the season of the witch, Donovan.
0 likes@Bill Bauer Just because it is estimated doesn't prove he has. Due to this, I do not feel any better...
1 like@Bill Bauer Even with probability, the fact that is a prediction based on an average and also common sense, since I cannot get complete proof he may have done things wrong that total up to 2 years, I will feel sad about this. I appreciate you trying to make me feel better about this though.
2 likes@Y2 Krashman Parody: An imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
0 likes@martk fartkerson DescriptionPoe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.
3 likes@Y2 Krashman Satire: The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
0 likes@martk fartkerson Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.
3 likes"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
@martk fartkerson Dude, I explained Poe’s law to you. Why are you still confused?
3 likes@martk fartkerson lol
0 likesHow did this reply section become about anti-feminism 💔
2 likes@Unholyspirit what?
0 likes@Unholyspirit wasn't she guilty?
1 likeNot did, don't *
0 likes@Willow Stephanie was, yes. The guy above said that men are being punished for treating women as 2nd class citizens, but, what our ancestors did does not reflect current men.
0 likes@Unholyspirit oh right sorry I thought you were saying she was wrongfully imprisoned
0 likes@Willow nono. Just saying that treating men badly because men before us treated women as 2nd class citizens makes no sense. That's what the guy I responded to was saying.
1 like@Willow because I, and others, haven't treated women badly so why should i/others be punished for nothing, you know
1 like@Julie McCormick Essentially ailed for being poor, gotta love our justice system.
0 likes@L F feminism would argue that women are treated equally, so actually she definitely should have been punished and held responsible for falsely accusing him that respect!
1 likeSame
0 likesLol so basically the incels got triggered because a woman wasn’t charged for wrongfully putting someone in jail? How about Jusie smollet, and other artists. I can only imagine the incels behind their screens going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
0 likes@AutomationDnD That's right, innocent or not, never talk to cops, shut up and lawyer up
0 likes@cherry bomb How is that being an Incel? He's right. Usually women dont get indicted for the same amount of time or at all, when lying about rape etc.
3 likes@martk fartkerson you're trying to hard to sound smart, nice try kid.
3 likes@L F um no feminism isnt about letting women do something as wrong as that and not being held accountable for it whatsoever idk who told you that it was but they were very mistaken.
1 likeWhere I'm from you get a lot of cash for being wrongfully imprisoned. But I can only imagine that not to be the case in the states since it isnt exactly first world lol
1 like2 years innocent..alot of folks would make my bucket list.
0 likes@martk fartkerson They legit had huge political power and ruled the household, it's a misconception they were just treated as objects. Just read up roman history for fk sake.
2 likes@Julie McCormick Crazy... he got locked up for so long for doing nothing. How can people even tolerate this broken ''justice'' system?
1 likesame :(
0 likesSame. Rip Kalief 😞
0 likes@L F ok incel
0 likes@Jac Nam exactly, thank you
0 likes@Robertas Vaicius Etz chaim he dude, as the ex used to say.
0 likes@Jon Smith Donny, shut the f-- when do we play? This Saturday? Well, I'll have to reschedule.
0 likes@🌊 ocean 🌊 You re missing the fact cops had already decided he was guilty of this because of this past. the witness statment was icing on the cake. Cops didn't do their damn job.
0 likes@martk fartkerson What are you talking about? You talk like modern day men are responsible for the crimes of deceased men? It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's like blaming all current Germans for the holocaust. Or calling all Americans murderers because their country was founded upon a genocide.
2 likes@cherry bomb Nice argument. Jesus Christ, you lack common sense there.
0 likes@Delian P. this is what I’m going thru rn but with a false rape accusation. It’s so crazy how cops will just believe whatever is first told to them. Smh
0 likes@Julie McCormick Thankyou... saved me some time. I wasn't sure if I was having a "derr" moment or the narration was slightly ambiguous on that point. Poor bas$%rd 🥺
1 like@martk fartkerson jesus you win this im not reading that
1 like@martk fartkerson You are the type of person to interrupt conversations and start with “ACTUALLY” while at the same time holding a finger up.
0 likes@QAZ You're the type of person to accuse people of saying things they don't do.
0 likes@Rasheena Rena At least you were kind enough to admit you're not very smart and have a short attention span.
0 likeswhen this happens with false accusations, they should serve the same time.
0 likes@martk fartkersonACTUALLY☝️... you’re wrong.
0 likes@L F Nothing to do with feminism - what an asinine comment. It has a lot more to do with the obvious lack of laws around such circumstances and slippery slope between a witness lying and genuinely not remembering correctly.
0 likes@martk fartkerson You could also say it's the price for granting women their rights and refusing to burn them anymore for witchery.
0 likesAside from that, that's a dumb excuse
@martk fartkerson keep that energy for the day you or a loved one are falsely accused and imprisoned for several years
0 likes@4Wayee It's funny, because I haven't wished ill upon anyone, I've simply posed a series a philosophical scenarios and jokingly quoted sitcoms and movies. But here you come with your double standards, wishing ill upon me and my loved ones to justify your outrage. Good one.
0 likesThat truly can break the mental state of a person
0 likes@Steven John Tait so considering his past, posting bail would be difficult price wise, if it wasn't denied altogether. So with court delays and for the actual trial to happen, this dude might have been in jail the whole time.
1 likePeople go to jail.
Judges send you to prison.
Jail is just the holding place until you go free or to prison.
his accuser should get twice that much
0 likes@LF In terms of this kind of thing, you're right, it's Not equitable for men. Custodial issues almost always favour the woman as well. I
0 likesI'm female so I know the ways the system works against my gender, up close. I don't think either sex gets off easy in life. Only the ways are different.
Never ever talk under any circumstances to the police especially if you're innocent. Take a look at this video: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
0 likes@L F That isn’t what feminism is about. Don’t falsely conflate that with this.
0 likes@Julie McCormick Thank you for the info. That is heartbreaking. 😔 I would sue. Picking someone out of a line up is proven to be highly inaccurate.
0 likes@martk fartkerson I'm so sorry about the loss of your dog. Sending you a hug and I'm sure she's up there where the grass is even greener and there is only endless treats, friends and frolics. I'll bet she greets you when your time comes to cross the rainbow bridge (or tunnel, or whatever it is for you).
0 likescherry bomb its true though, women receive much lighter sentences almost all the time.
1 likeIs there any link to information about this guy's case?
0 likes@Owie40 She didn't :) the system is biased towards women not being able to do anything illegal and getting away with everything.
0 likesOH GOD, ME TOOOO !!!!!!
0 likes@Bill Bauer so what? It doesn't mean he did the crime he's being accused of. Should you be judged for every dishonest mistakes or lies you've done in your life?
0 likes@Nate Climer So wait, was he imprisoned or not in the end? The trial was supposed to be before jail, right? So the truth came out and he didn't go to jail, right?
0 likesYou never think it can happen to you until it does. I just went through it facing 10 years solely on a false accusation of one party. The DA and sheriff's came at me hard. Sheriff's posted me all over FB and was all over the news here in Alabama. Society had deemed me guilty off the FB posts and news. Thankfully exculpatory information came out at my preliminary and the judge threw it out. Sheriff's has since deleted the post and my mugshot, but I lost thousands on attorneys and job suspension until I was exonerated. It can happen to anyone and I'm sure there are plenty of innocent people in prison who weren't as lucky.
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Isn't government supposed to pay for your attorney if you are pronounced not guilty?
0 likes@Zachary Chapman I hope you will succeed, restore your good name and reputation and make them pay compensation, and that people will acknowledge the unfairness that happened to you. God bless
1 likeBorn, raised, and lived in Canada my entire life. I've never once heard of one single officer being suspended WITHOUT pay, no matter the crime. If that was true, kudos to that department, but I have my doubts.
18 likes"Your guilt isn't in question because we have video evidence, but can you draw on this whiteboard to demonstrate where you were?" How the f*ck does this mouthbreather even exist? He should have been put in jail for this.
23 likesI love this channel not only because of the commentary, but the psychology elements discussed. I often don't pick up on social cues/strategy, so this is helpful with learning about them!
4 likesBeing falsely accused is the thing that triggers me the most.
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I would literally cry if I was falsely accused and if I lose the case I would have years in jail
90 likesTriggered huh? Sounds guilty
46 likesGiving false accusations need to hold prison time so people don't fucking do it.
108 likessame
0 likesamogus
11 likesMe too dude! I have even had nightmares about it and lots of them regarding my family, like, they accusing me, me saying the truth and they not listening to me, it's nerve-racking 😐 That's obviously because I think they are unfair with me and blame me even when they are not even sure if I did something wrong or not, they just always assume I'm the person who did something wrong, even If I'm the person who's the first to admit that I did something wrong cause I don't like lying. I'm not perfect, I'm not saying I don't lie, I'm human, but I like the truth and I will always try to say the truth and be honest with everyone and mostly to myself. People in my family judge me because I don't go to church with them anymore, I go out at night woman I smoke weed, so...being a woman doing things like that is unacceptable for them, you know how hard Christians are... anyways.. When I listen to stories about innocent people being judged and deemed guilty of something they never did, omg it makes me feel soooo bad, imagining that I could be in that situation
5 likesi mostly trust our system, there are checks and balances all over the place to make sure nothing fishy is going on. the black dude's situation had the best outcome, he got money and 3 people got demoted and probably took a pay loss and their dept got their asses ripped and it was bad pr on top of it all
1 like@Ingrid maybe you have a small social anxiety disorder. if so, its not a big deal. maybe thats why you smoke. i have been off and on those meds for 20 years, but i used to party daily 20 years ago. now my hobbies distract me enough to not even care to drink. truly i think partying is a form of self medication and as long as balance is maintained i see nothing wrong with it my self. i work in IT and i say that to mean my brain needs to function and i completely still can even while on the meds i mentioned, plus they are cheap. to each their own
0 likesIve seen you under another video
0 likes@Aboddon That's not true but ok
9 likesI fell you bro
0 likes@Adam Clark It is illegal and they do serve jail time for it
1 like@turbo me?
0 likesHonestly
0 likesI was falsely accused of bullying a girl in my grade by a cop when I was 14. Obviously not nearly as bad as being falsely accused of something and having to serve jail time, but that shit fucked me up. The cop swore up and down that they had all kinds of hard evidence and that the girl named me specifically. I cried (severe anxiety and depression due to a recent medical trauma had me crying over literally anything) and he pounced on that and shouted at me about my guilt. He refused to show me any of the evidence he had brought, and only showed my mom. Turned out the girl had only given a first name and the cop went to our school and got a list of girls in our grade with that name. I was the first on the list because of my last name. I had literally never heard this girl's name before that incident, I had no idea who she was. He later called and apologized to my mom. I've been very wary of cops ever since.
9 likes@Aboddon yup. like those three men that served 34 years in prison before being proven innocent. and what happened to the accuser? NOTHING. those 3 completely innocent guys' lives are RUINED, and nobody cares.
7 likes@Arianna Palmer it is true wtf😂
1 likeYou must not be the oldest child
0 likes@Aboddon no. they don't.
0 likes@Shaik M it's not?
0 likesI have a conviction because a girl lied and nobody would believe me. I even pointed out that if what accused me of were true don’t you think there would at least be bruising, if not blood and broken bones. I’m a very athletic man of 6’3, and she was a petite girl of about 5’4 tops, if I had hit her I think she’d probably have died. It should have been blindingly obvious to everyone that she was lying. The worst thing is that all your friends will act like they never even knew you. Some of them might even say those exact words to your face, and then never speak to you again.
6 likesWonder of wonders, I was accused by another girl of assaulting her, and you won’t believe this, it is just ridiculous, she actually admitted in court that she started arguing with me, I tried to leave, and she chased after me and attacked me, I pushed her away from me and continued to make good my escape. When the magistrates asked me to explain myself I literally just said, yes that’s exactly what happened I don’t see how I’m supposed to have committed any criminal offence here, and they found me guilty of assault because they said “we don’t believe you.” This doesn’t logically follow since I said her story was true, if they don’t believe me they also have to not believe her.
Everyone in the courtroom was a woman, I think they all found it very empowering to find a man guilty of hurting a woman’s feelings to the point she felt it necessary to assault him.
Yeah same, being put in that postion just makes me mad.. Knowing that you didin't do it and still being falsely accused
0 likes@Gumydoodle lol
0 likesAbsolutely infuriates me, and I'm really introverted otherwise.
0 likes@Adam Clark falsely accusing someone for any crime is punishable in some states/ countries. the penalties for giving false information to the police are up to six months in jail and possible fines.
1 likeand you can always sue for defamation/ libel.
now try to think about them false rape accusation during the MeToo movement lmfao society is so quick to assume these guys did it
1 likeReally because having a simple situation completely twisted to fit their motive was my reality from am entire police force at the age of 16. Also wanted me to take my pants off on their camera to be able to use the bathroom when I was not guilty of their stated claim at all. Avoided their constant manipulation and verbal attacks to aggravate me. 6 hours later get my unconditional release so no documentation needed reporting. I asked for a letter of confirmation and was denied. The ontario forces well Canadian government and their hits quad in general are sickening. Sadly the public doesn't get to see the majority of cases. We also recently had 3 cops unload on a vehicle kill a 1 year old and try to blame the father who simply had a dispute with a now Vilomah mother who probably wishes she had never called the trigger happy cops in the first place. Bet she won't be calling back anytime soon.
0 likes@Jason Brown no there's no check and balance they tend to defend the abusive actions at every turn. Especially here in ontario. My cousin is a cop they firmly believe they are the Sheppard to the sheep and for the most part they would be right but respect is earned not given. And I hold everyone of them to the negative action of one of their own. That much power requires some of the highest set standards. And for the majority they've proven to be a government task force and not protection of we the people. Happy to overstep our basic human rights each day. Look at all the homeless camps being cleared out when the shelters are overrun shutdown for lockdown or so rundown that if you are sober why you want to go live with a bunch who aren't.
2 likes@shea h yea the justice system is just a joke like voting. They make the appearance like it's fair honest and helpful but for the most part there's an agenda or quota to push.
1 like@W33d Senpai by 2050 if we don't stop with this space race bs of trying to move earth's resources to another planet, without an artificial ozone layer solar flares will wipe us all put. That's the show I'm waiting for. History proves humans don't have the ability to stop destruction under government, capitalist and socialism and sadly that's the power that drives our world in this era. Socialism being the latest addition in the past 700 years or so
0 likes@Mike James amogus
1 likeSame it makes me rage like crazy
1 like@ShishakliAus so if your in the wrong Place wrong time would you not be triggered
0 likesSame. Call me names but don't accuse me. I'll start getting angry. I didn't eat the fucking stupid cinnamon roll and steal 20$! You did!
0 likesI get Angry 😠 🤬 as they continue.
It's amazing that with the technology and resources that our justice system has now, they still get it wrong. The reason for false accusation lock up's is because the justice dept doesnt do their full job. It's about conviction totals.
0 likes@Aboddon I got falsely accused in college by a young woman when I was 18. Her story was so contradictory that it didn't even pass the whole school court system, and I missed the court thing. I wasn't kicked out of school or anything. I don't know what happened to her.
1 likeI got accused by a lecturer at school, for smoking on a day I was off sick... I laughed as I was so against smoking and still am... I then walked out of the classroom and didn't listen to any more of his idiocracy.
1 like@W33d Senpai whos in charge in our gov? Harris, clinton, AOC, ilhan omar, pelosi, lightfoot...the list goes on and on.
0 likesBut imagine you're the cop and you hear "I didn't do it" hundred time a day. Now how are you supposed to know who's guilty and who's not
0 likes@Adam Clark In my part of the world, the cops like to completely wash their hands of it, so the only way to escalate the situation is to hire a 'pit bull' lawyer who can sue the person for making the false report. The problem is that the lawyer might want a new Porsche, so his client ends up paying for it. And if the media get hold of the story, the accused's reputation is destroyed. The consequential loss can hit hard, such as time off work, fragmented personal relationships, anxiety ... you can never recover from any of that. Money might help, but very few people have the cash to throw at a law suit that is just a he-said/she-said fiasco. One of the other things I've learned is that if a false report is made, the cop database is a honeypot (what goes in, stays in, permanently!), so whatever is in the false accusation or incorrectly written statement, the database cannot be edited. Furthermore the cops believe what's in their own database and use that against an innocent person at any time in the future. The impact of a false accusation can be really soul-destroying, and it's not made any easier when wrong-doers & mistaken cops don't have the guts to apologise for the personal distress they cause.
0 likes@Arianna Palmer That is how the law says it's supposed to work which is good, yet it is rarely ever applied. Many people get away with falsely accusing people. For example alot of false rape allegations, a huge majority of the time the accuser can get away with a mere slap on the wrist despite what the law says.
0 likes@Stolas Goetia Ok that's a little much, but I think falsely accusing someone should equivilate to the charge of the crime that was falsely accused
0 likes@Jonathan L I know, it's really scary. People say if you're innocent you have nothing to fear, I'd beg to differ.
2 likes@C.R. i have my bad cop stories too. a few years ago a cop pulled me over because "looked lost", which was a lie. i said nope i am not lost, so can i be going now and he said not yet. license and registration please, then proceeded to ask why i was in the area and who was the kid with me. this was in small town indiana out in the middle of a bunch of corn fields. it was an extra vehicle of mine that only got driven about twice a year to make sure it got driven occasionally and the child was my nephew and he lived half a mile from from where we were pulled over by an unmarked truck that was speeding like 80mph down a road to catch me going 25mph down a gravel road. he was the retard for so many reasons and my rights felt violated, but i complied and was allowed to leave without incident. to be honest i always thought the cop thought i was black and it was a big nice old buick with big shiny chrome wheels.
1 like@Adam Clark That's how almost every crime goes, do you know how many rape cases go without punishment or they get an easier sentencing because they have a life ahead of them? False rape allegations rarely happen and the person rarely gets in trouble for them, a man is more likely to be raped then falsey accused of rape
0 likes@Adam ClarkOne's life can come crashing down ... and in my part of the world, it happens s-l-o-w-l-y ... the cops take their time to process a complaint, and that time seems like an eternity when you're trying to go about your normal daily life while you're in a state of 'limbo' not knowing what's going to happen next and when. And don't even bother thinking about making a complaint ... it's cops investigating cops; biased, one-sided, unfair, prejudiced and outright evil. Oh, they're also pretty good at either 'planting' evidence or removing crucial evidence wherever possible, or at least making stuff up (lies?) to put into their reports & statements of fact. There are lawyers in my city who 'specialise' in dealing with false accusations from shonky cops; that's right, they're making a living out of it and are almost dependent on dishonest cops feeding their income stream.
0 likes@W33d Senpai who even mention the government or the system. I'm saying put yourself in their place and you will feel the struggle of the job and the hate you get for trying to protect the country
0 likes@W33d Senpai So what are they supposed to do reject the money and starve to death technically the government is paying you too. Just because they get directly paid doesn't mean they support the government and I'm sorry for your loss and i can see why you're angry, but you shouldn't judge every single cop just because some cops did something wrong. There's bad people in this world everywhere and unfortunately sometimes they manage to get a job in a police station, but the world would literally burn down if it wasn't for the law and the police.
0 likes@ShishakliAus that makes no sense hun 🤣
0 likes@Sera how is it not lmao
0 likes@Shaik M I assume you all are talking about being falsely accused of sexual assault/rape. if that's the case, then statistically 2% of rape allegations are false. if you talk about robbery, murder, abuse etc, I can't say I know the statistics by heart, but men do commit abt 80% of murders, the biggest portion of robbery and most abusers are men, so I wouldn't say false accusations by women against men are too common in those areas.
0 likes@Sera I think we’re talking about false allegations and yeah it happens relatively rarely compared to other crimes but that doesn’t change the fact that the justice system has failed those men many times. There’s been multiple instances where there want even any evidence and the(innocent) accused still went to jail/probation/sex offender registry.
0 likes@Shaik M of course, it is a problem and the justice system has so many other problems like that too, which I'm not trying to deny. the thing that ticked me off was that one person's reply, that women accuse men more, when in reality, that's not true. and it's also not even the whole point - the problem here isn't the "gender war" it's the existence of charging innocents. so I think we agree?
0 likes@Sera yeah I definitely agree on that part it’s not a competition a problem is a problem that needs to be fixed. The only thing that ticked me off was that one person I think was saying false accusations don’t happen😭but yeah we agree
0 likesYeah if somebody does that to me I'll give them something to complain about.
0 likesHave u tried among us
0 likesDoesn’t happen that often so don’t worry about it
0 likes@Adam Clark People do get charges pressed for falsely accusing, it just doesn’t happen that often
0 likes@A That's why I said rarely, I never said they didn't happen at all
0 likes@Mike James wtf bro not now 😂
0 likes@BuVi Kristan amogus
0 likesJust being accused by my step mother when iw as younger triggered me so much, I feel like if cops were falsy accusing me, I would basically explode in anger lol
0 likes@Adam Clark I don't know how this cop didn't go to jail. It's absurd. Glad that dude got a year's worth of pay for a few nights of bullsh*t. Should have came right out of the cop's pocket and left him penniless.
0 likes@GruppeSechs Agreed. That cop seriously had no reason to suspect that man was the culprit, so therefore he most likely holds bias. I think if an officer shows bias that should result in either a demotion, of losing your job. However that is unfortunately not how the corrupted police system works.
0 likes@Adam Clark Even a demotion is too lenient, because it clearly wasn't a mistake. He straight up lied about pretend evidence to corner an innocent man. Getting to keep a lower position after that is a slap on the wrist.
0 likes@A falsely accusing happens all the time. Convictions from false accusations are very rare however since you need to not only prove that the accusation is false, but also prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew it was false and did it maliciously. That's a very high bar and let's be honest, prosecutors are very "us vs them" minded people, and if they just got off a case trying to work with a "victim" to prove their attackers innocents, their unlikely to turn around and try to prosecute the victim even if it did come out that they were lying.
0 likes@Incey Wincey Ngl you needed a better lawyer.
0 likes@C.R. Damn they apologized to your mom and not you?
0 likesNgl I really hate how some people, particularly those with authoritarian instincts, tend to completely dehumanize kids. Children deserve respect and dignity too, apologizing to the mom and not the kid is like the modern day equivalent of apologizing to a man for hitting his wife. With that monumental of a fuck-up I feel like you at least deserve a hand-written apology letter.
Never lie
0 likesYes....falsely accused but tried and found guilty
0 likesSo, he is going to arrest the guy, charge him with a crime, throw him into prison, and THEN he will investigate this case thoroughly to see if he is innocent? Yet another reason why people hate cops.
69 likesAnyone else notice that after the calm guy said he wanted a lawyer the interview continued... Without a lawyer...
7 likesIt’s so infuriating when someone loses their freedom over someone else’s incompetence
16 likesI watched all the videos on this channel twice except for this one. Seeing an innocent man desperately trying to defend himself is too sad. you can't help but think that this might happen to you one day, just minding your own business till a policeman arrests you and an investigator condemns you cuz he didn't wanna do his job and just pin it on anybody. Frightening.
5 likestheres nothing more terrifying than a person with authority confident in their own ignorance.
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A man who is unwilling to compromise or change is a lost cause, regardless of the degree of correctness they are believed to hold. This is frustrating and self-demeaning in friends and family, but it destroys lives and trust in the place of authority.
67 likesMan, with all due respect I don't give a crap about humans, there's only one authority and that is God's Law. Doesn't really matter if human laws interfere with God's, he's always the superior law.
7 likes@Mr. Kevin i mean god isn't real so
30 likes@Mr. Kevin Also way to talk about brainwashing after giving the most brainwashed statement I've ever heard. Like I don't care if you're religious but "I don't care about the law because of religion" is just so removed from reality
40 likes@Rowan Brown got hurt?
0 likes@Mr. Kevin I honestly have no idea what you're on about at this point
20 likes@Rowan Brown Man, wtf, why is cheese so fricking good but high in calories?
0 likes@Mr. Kevin you do you man
7 likes@Mr. Kevin If you think or find out about what the human being really is, what the crown of creation means, that we are not ready developed as animals are, bút have to complete our human be(com)ing ourselves together, which is the greatest challenge and unique in the universe, maybe you'd think differently about the humans you don't care about.I wonder what kind of belief in God you have if you don't believe in His creation, in us?
5 likesMost people have only a theoretical "belief" in God. And it is truly difficult to get a real, live one, since we don't get to hear or learn about it, have very few role models and society has reduced the Human being to animal, denying our spiritual part and potential.
We are supposed to develop and use our moral capacity, our freedom, and become godlike, be able to know what is right and to do it creatively in every situation.
Most need to do a lot of healing childhood wounds and old paradigms in order to get access to our true selves. And so some shadow-work, to encounter and integrate our darkness. In order to be free to choose. Jordan B Peterson explains, the most dangerous person is the one who doesn't know and accept his dark side, but suppresses the knowledge and claims to be righteous. Believes himself to be good.
@Rowan Brown Hey, please don't use citation marks unless you are actually citing someone! That is a violation.You probably haven't even got what he meant right, right? I don't , and hope he clárifies it.
0 likesIt is an awful thing to be falsely quóted and claimed to have said something one has not. And to be wrongly interpreted and getting words put into one's mouth that one doesn't mean at all.
@Claudia Bothner No one, in the history of the universe, calls those citation marks. Also while the words weren't the exact same it was quite clearly what they were saying, 'I don't believe in the laws of man because I only follow the laws of god.' Was his exact point
5 likesNot simply ignorance.
10 likesRacism.
Call it as it is.
@Lulu Bugz I think they meant generally, not just with racist cops
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2 likes@Mr. Kevin you sound like the Taliban
3 likesI dont know where you saw any confidence from the cops. The interrogating officer was stumbling at each words he was saying. He didnt know where to go with his questions and had no idea how to get someone talking.
0 likes@leschx not confidence, just possible hope, since you know, these are the people that are supposed to save your life in an emergency
0 likesStalin. Hitler. Mao Ze Dong. That's how powerful authority figures become corrupt - ignorance, or rather confident despite their ignorance (and many other things)
2 likesNo doubt. The previous POTUS is a perfect example.
0 likesBasically my parents
0 likesHalf everyone w any type of badge if not more
0 likesFacts
0 likesterrifying? maybe but embarrassing 😭😭
0 likesWhich is why politicians and basically anyone with power over others are scary
0 likesYou mean like everyone single politician?
0 likes@Mr. Kevin lol
0 likesSick an disturbing
0 likes@DarthSlobbius Yes! And that is exactly what has happened in many police departments in the USA! They promote people for something besides their competence.
0 likes@Mr. Kevin If you're referring to the laws in Leviticus then they are bogus because shellfish are delicious, blended cloth is a fact of modern life and slavery is just wrong, even if your slaves are from another tribe!
0 likes@Lana c: Which god? There are about 2500 of them so chances are that one of them is real! I chose to believe in Mithra myself.
0 likes@Lana c: What makes you think God isn’t real?
0 likes@Casus belli What makes you think that God isn’t real?
0 likes@Lana c: Can I ask you a question with the promise of an honest answer? What is your perception of God? Clearly you know some stuff about Him… what would you believe His character to be, if He were real?
0 likes@Lana c: Forgive me if I have acted intrusively. It was certainly not my intention; I am rather curious as to the reasoning and perspective of others, including and in particular those of differing beliefs. Bear in mind that this is never an act of self-righteousness or as means of judgement. On the contrary, I do not wish to change your mind. If you are receptive, I think it would be interesting and valuable to exchange information to better learn from one another.
0 likes@DarthSlobbius deez nuts
1 like@Lana c: How do you believe the universe came to be?
0 likes@Lana c: if I am correct in believing that you assume an evolutionary perspective for our origin story (which is simply the most likely), then I would like to hear the arguments for it, if you would be down. I’m not looking for a fight, I just honestly must know what makes that view so viable, as to support an impervious, ultra-logical explanation for our purpose and identity. I’m asking you because I would prefer to hear it from the mouth of an authentic believer, instead of polluting my mind with my own biased research. If you believe a different way, teach me in that. I will not fight to change, just listen.
0 likes@Mr. Kevin oh the irony when you're first talking about god and then calling other people brainwashed
0 likeshello Kikon
1 likedon't say that to my supervisor
0 likes@Mr. Kevin But what if he doesn't exist. Do you have proof?
0 likes@Lana c: why won’t you talk to me bro?
0 likes@Jessie fucjing NYPD . I know… I live here too <3
0 likes@Lana c: Did I say anything to truly offend you? If I did not, why are you refusing to talk with me, even though I have clearly stated that I mean no harm or offense, and do not intend to even alter your mind? I genuinely wish, if you believe in any different way to me, simply to learn where you are coming from. To hear your side of the story. Obviously whether or not you talk to me is completely your choice, but it does seem rather strange that you would ignore anyone’s perspective purely because they think in a different way. If I’m mistaken, and you’re ignoring me for some other reason, feel free to correct me in that too (lol). Otherwise, why not share your opinions? I will not judge whatsoever, I’m just curious and want to exchange thoughts. Thoughts?
0 likesIgnorance is not the true evil, the true evil is an authority confident in their own illusion of knowledge.
1 like@Kipter 1999 how did you find my comment?😂😂
0 likes@Wilabano De Niro only if you want to be?
0 likesWhat happened to this comment thread...?
0 likesThe super nice calm innocent man is fascinating to watch. I wish I could be as articulate and calm as him when facing very stressful and uncomfortable situation. Glad he was awarded the punitive damage amount. I would assume a lot of people that are wrongly treated by justice system probably don't even get compensated. So good for him!
7 likesbeing thrown in jail for two years for something you know you didn't do... words can't describe how horrifying that can feel.
10 likes"Getting a confession void of evidence is in fact an excellent for an investigator's career. Its a mark of merit and can accelerate promotion." Pure conflict of interest. Needs to be seriously addressed that the top priority for an interrogator as a servant of justice is to help justice prevail rather than get a confession. I read once that in some religious law, exonerating nine murderers by mistake is more moral than falsely executing an innocent.
14 likesThis was great! When I watch your other videos, I can’t help but think of all the innocent people these interrogation tactics are used on daily. This was a great example of that
0 likesI can't imagine a worse nightmare than going to jail for a crime you didn't commit. The emotions and thoughts that must run through your head while in jail is frightening.
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I think about that a lot and I think my only sanity could come from if my loved ones believed in my innocence. If not I'd be lost
179 likesI'm glad it hasn't happened to me. My will to hurt the cops and judges responsible would have overtaken me.
41 likesIt's about the worst thing in the world. I've been wrongfully imprisoned myself.
62 likesTheGreatDane the leading up to it! The anguish. I’ve been a super square person my whole life for that reason! I can’t even imagine.
3 likesNew Cult King wow, so sorry. Hope you are doing well!
22 likesBeen there, twice, and it’s infuriating. All cops are liars.
31 likes@Tero Munakas you tripping
12 likes@Tero Munakas cant you garner that respect in more civic ways?
13 likesMust have been a nightmare time for him but at least it wasn't for too long and he got 46k compensation which probably helped him a lot in life.
1 likeThis is why always says “I’m not answer shit lemme call my lawyer”
3 likesNever ever answer anything
Try living in a commonwealth where the state itself can add charges to your case even if neither party presses charges.
2 likesIt's really scary and knowing how corrupt the law is where I'm from, I'd probably rot in jail coz I don't have the money
3 likesBut the payout when you finally sue the city is usually pretty fucking big so I suppose its kind of a compromise.
0 likes@Diminisher no amount money can compare to the feeling of being locked away as an innocent person
16 likes@Tero Munakas that's not how that works. If you go to prison that means you are a criminal. Criminals aren't respected lol
2 likesTero Munakas Who thinks jail is cool or respectable. Go to jail and it’s a one way ticket to becoming social street trash
6 likes@Tero Munakas it's needless to say you're wrong, but you're wrong and do not know what you're talking about.
2 likesPlus your reputation is in the toilet after. When people see and read about this stuff they assume the person is guilty.
8 likesI honestly think I'd kill myself. Imagine the frustration of knowing you are innocent and have no way to show it.
6 likesespecially for more than a while, you could lose your job! What a huge nightmare
0 likes@Tero Munakas what's cool about it? I'll assume your being sarcastic
0 likesIt's happened to me. I did 5 years because of it in California
3 likesit's similar if you go to jail for intentionally breaking laws you believe are evil because of your ideology. i went to jail for possession of marijuana < 1oz, and no violent charges, as an act of civil disobedience against oppressive government, and i'll do it again. many of you believe I should not be criminalized for that, but some do. if you believe I and all the others in jail for drug only offenses should stay there, I believe you are evil
5 likes@Dani yup. If I had money for a real lawyer my case woulda been dropped right away. Whole thing was based on someone's ridiculous lies nothing else.
1 likeshawshank redemption
0 likesIt’s like “I have been going about my daily innocent routines throughout life. All of a sudden I’m locked up for nothing.”
3 likesYou should read the book “the sun does shine” this dude was innocent and put on death row for 30 years
0 likesIt's more fury than fright, there is fear though, you're in the custody of a government controlled terrorist organization populated mainly by psychopaths and sociopaths that can do anything they want to you without fear of reprisal.
0 likes@Blxck Rvssian Yees. I'm the Wishmaster. I make wishes come true.
0 likesImagine being sentenced for offence you your self reported to police 😉 happened to me. Sentenced to 8 weeks suspended for 12 months for being honest. Got to love police and courts in UK. 🤢🤮
1 like@Patricia W what if you don't have loved ones
0 likesI'd probably spend the entire time plotting revenge.
0 likesIt's the stuff of nightmares. I spent my time in pretrial reading the Georgetown Law Book and asking questions like "Why is the burden of proof on me instead of the state like its supposed to be?" I ended up falling for the marketing scheme that is the Plea Bargain. The sad part is you're not released "corrected" either. There's this crusty/ cynical side to me now that I have to suppress on a daily basis. It sucks.
0 likesI actually went to prison for a crime I didn't commit but the government tries to scapegoat the suspect and put all the blame on them and not realise they are the ones who has created the situation
2 likesIt happened to me, some friend of mine's grandmother thought she would teach him a lesson about asking her to have people over before inviting me down hours away, to fix his computer and spend the night... he went to work, she was off her medication and started freaking out on me for being there, I wound up leaving the house only to run into a friend of my friends, said the grandma was crazy and we walked the beach and skipped rocks for a couple hours... I was gone from the house to avoid argument until my friend came home, and she called the cops, told them i pointed a gun at her, and i went to jail, the next day I was sent to prison... I did literally nothing. turns out the kid I met up with had broke into a state-owned shed and stole stuff earlier that day... A police detective said he saw him and I together, I was slapped with another charge of breaking and entering... they said that i did all this stuff and I did nothing, but I was looking at a minimum mandatory sentence of 8-10 years for EACH CHARGE.... They MADE me lie in court and enter a plea bargain, said it was the ONLY way to get things reduced.... LONG story short, I wound up having to pay for a door I didn't break, do community service, and spend THOUSANDS on a lawyer, spend a couple nights in PRISON... 100% innocent. -.- the system is fucked and it nearly destroyed my life because no one listens to you when they THINK you are guilty.... The old lady even said "I didn't think they would send him (me) to prison... the state took the case over and now it's out of my hands.. I just said that so they would take him for the night and maybe he would learn to ask the person's family before just showing up." I lost a lot of trust that month, and gained a LOT of anger towards the system. they handcuffed me for 4 hours, FOUR HOURS with my hands up behind my back on a chain link fence inside the prison and laughed while walking by me as i was on my tip-toes trying to alleviate some of the pain from the handcuffs pulling my arms up to the center of my back behind me...
3 likesThey literally laughed at me and made "punching" motions at my stomach as they walked by like they were mock attacking me... I didn't hate cops before that, at all.. But now, I look at them all differently for sure. since every single one of them was shit in that place, every... single... one.
I spent one night in jail for getting drunk and man that sucked ass, I would never wanna end up in jail.
0 likes@Seven Sages The innocent man who had 2 YEARS STOLEN from him got Nothing.
0 likesI can’t imagine the anger I’d be so pissed off. If I spent more than a few hours in jail waiting I’d be suing for as much as I could.
1 likeGod the exaggeration in these comments...
0 likesThis isn't even remotely close to being one of the worst things you can have happen.
@N P Um considering you could spend your whole life in jail for something you didn’t commit I’d say that’s gotta be up there for one of the hardest life’s to deal with. But yea getting slowly beaten or tortured everyday is probably worse but having everyone treat you like a criminal when your not is not far off.
0 likesI live in Hamilton, Ontario and the cops here love to do the whole, "we know you did it we have evidence" thing. But they are so hungry for that "justice" they contradict themselves and it's just ridiculous. They also seem to focus so much on small time stuff and ignore the bigger issues in our city pretty blatantly.
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Why is there an Australian cop in Canada?
0 likes@Garry Smith how would they know, they didn’t hire the detective lol
0 likesglad that the investigators at fault faced repercussions and that michael got compensation :) i've watched a ton of interrogation videos but seeing these cases of innocent being treaty as though they were guilty is pretty scary....especially the fact that michael and many others might have or may be serving jail time for something they didn't/haven't done :(
1 likeI can't even imagine being in this scenario... One day when I was 20, my best friend's mom told me that she didn't trust me to carry her purse because she believed I'd stolen $20 from her back when I was 15 years old. Everyone standing there clearly remembered the situation she was referring to, and how it had been another ex-friend that had stolen the money. Apparently, for years, the mother had forgotten and just pinned it on me in her memory since I was always around so often as her daughter's best friend, and she 'knew how poor I was, meaning it'd make sense for me to risk it'. I literally cried about the false accusation for days, couldn't stop thinking about it, and have still never felt comfortable around her knowing that she could even think I could do something so unkind, let alone to people I was so close to. So, imagining being accused of something bigger like this? I would crumble!
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thats so wrong of your best friend's mother to do that wow.... the fact that she even attacked your background too??? im so sorry that happened to you
0 likesIn the white guy's case, I can understand the officer's arrest, and hesitation in believing his innocence due to having an eye witness that placed him as the perpetrator of those crimes. However, the black gentleman had way more patience and civility than anyone I've ever met. That detective, and the arresting officers, should have been immediately fired and faced charges of their own for false arrest, false imprisonment, and negligence. For that man to spend 3 1/2 days in jail, when he didn't even come close to the description of the suspect, and for that detective to falsify every shred of evidence against him, and then to not immediately follow up on any of the man's alibi, is an absolute disgrace. Every single case this detective has ever had a hand in should again be called in to question, and looked at with fresh eyes. $46,000 seems to me like a very small judgement.
3 likesWith only having limited avenues to hold police and government accountable, if it doesn't hurt them badly enough, they will continue to perform their duties or the negligence of same in the manner they do without repercussion.
Seeing that man desperately defend himself, after having already been to prison and knowing that he could be going back again, is so sad and frustrating.
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Having been involved with the criminal system before i can only imagine what was racing through his head man. The first time was scary enough. Most stressful period of my life.
56 likesThe lady that lied about him probably thought it would stick because he had a record. Absolutely infuriating.
89 likes@yumyumhungry Ill bet she didnt go to jail. America is a joke.
47 likes@NaySay Network This is Canada, not the US. So North America yes, but not the US that I think you think it is. Plus the police officer sounds English.
13 likesEDIT: The second one is in the US and you probably meant that one..
@Daniel D yep. Second guy got 2 years in Kentucky due to a lying witness.
19 likesThat shit broke my heart
2 likes@yumyumhungry i agree. probably so
0 likes@NaySay Network 😫😤😭😱🥶😨
0 likesI was rooting for him so hard
0 likesI've been in prison for 8 felonies, I'm only guilty of 4. That is how the police work, get as many convictions as possible, regardless of guilt.
0 likesWell damn. Respect to this guy. Had it been me, I would at least have ended the conversation with telling him I was looking forward to receiving a full apology from this guy once he had actually done his work.
6 likesI had something like this happen to be a few years back, you see I work as a CNA or Certified Nursing assistant, I have been for 8 years. I was told that I was being suspended and a full investigation was being made after a resident claimed a male touched her inappropriately and at that time the only guys that worked nightshift was a male nurse and myself. But she had also had 2 other guys come into her room for a scan (of which I didn't know because it happened TWO days prior so she "waited two days to tell anyone) well I go to work and my nurse asks me why im at work and I said because Im suppose to work. Apparently they had called me to tell me not to come in which He said but just said work tonight and just dont come in tomorrow and I'll tell them you know that (I never got a phone call) well fast forward to after work I get home and 2 hours later I'm getting a call from work with the DON - Director of nursing, HR, APS, and a few other people on the line. To tell them what happened, they say ok we will have to suspend you until the investigation is over. Guess what it "lasted" less then 10 hours cause they fired me. Reasons? because the person who touched her had short hair... WE. ALL. HAD. SHORT. HAIR. SO anyway, I have to go to get investigated after the fact, of which the detective did this same shit, accused me, told me "HE knew the story and KNEW the truth" just wanted me to say it. Like He asked me why I had a new CNA job almost every year.. Man I dont know.. the fact that I AM a cna and we are always trying to find a better job opportunity? Because CNA's are tried like shit by most hospitals and nursing homes and on top of that I was also a traveling CNA so I would go from house to house taking care of the elderly via a temp agency where I would be called and asked if I could go do the job ( that job paid 8.50 and hour, the nursing home paid 12) He even accused me of jumping jobs so much cause it was my sick way of getting my kicks and then leaving. He even tried to go as far as say I was fired from a Job because of my lateness and calling out of work all the time, I caught him on his bullshit right there cause I hardly EVER called out of work, shit I went to work for 3 days after I had a back injury trying to lift a resident who had fallen an my coworker refused to help lift him. Pulled my back out and still came to work until I had to leave work because I was in so much pain I was in tears all my coworkers knew it. and the APS woman tried the same thing by asking me if I was gay and thats why I did it. Wanna know the best kicker of all this? I took a polygraph test - lie detector. and Low and behold it came back "inconclusive" They couldn't tell if i was "lying" or not. I know the tests aren't 100 percent be all way all. But we all know it came back I was telling the truth and the company didn't want a lawsuit. I could have easily still filed becuse they didn't give me a copy of the test to have it relooked at but I didn't want anything else to do with that company after that. So the title of this fits it so well, expect in my cause I was guilty and that was it.
15 likesI was falsely imprisoned myself, due to some technicalities of a previous sentence (a DUI from 2016). Just being accused of a crime, any crime at all, was in violation of the terms of my probation. So I was accused of one which the state has actually dropped charges on, but had to serve out the remainder of my probation on because I was denied bond until the probation period ran out.
17 likesIt f***s you up pretty bad mentally to be truly innocent in jail.
The officer got so excited about finally using the interrogation techniques he learned at the academy, that he forgot to check the most important part of an investigation: the evidence.
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Nah he didn't forget, he didn't care about them at all. the system suit him perfectly though because it worked.
518 likes"...evidence? There's supposed to be... evidence??"
261 likes@Julius Perseus Jokes on him, if you watched the whole video, he got demoted and suspended for his lack of caring. The evidence he claimed to have "seen" was bullshit too, defenitely thought he'd get the job done quick, get his pay and ruin someone's life.
266 likesWhat do you mean? If a woman says something it has to be true. No need proof of anything.
35 likes@Zae ACAB
46 likes@Zae Exactly if you want to be the judge, be prepared to be judged yourself.
12 likes@ira Holden That really doesn't help. ACAB was started as a mantra to blame the tools and not the lawmaker's hands that hold them. Keep saying that, and don't bother the nice politican saying sweet nothings honey darling.
30 likes@Zae
84 likesSuspended? Not fired on the spot and for the rest of his life rendered unsuitable for this line of work? Because in that case, wow, that's the real joke here.
He didn't forget, he just doesn't care so long as he catches SOMEONE. Guilty or not.
17 likes@Eddie this^
4 likesnah theres no doubt of that they have him on the tape right there kekw, where you can't even see dudes face and just because he too wore a white tshirt
1 likeHe knows he can just go back and plant some later if he needs to.
5 likes@ira Holden Yes, keep playing into the slimy hands of the politicians and lawmakers—“Ah, nothing to see here! ACAB! Yes, we control how those guys operate and therefore, we’re the ones who can actually implement reform, but we won’t because we don’t actually care and ACAB is just an easy way to garner cheap support every election cycle!”
0 likes@Abundance of Realities what the fuck do you mean she accused him for something he didnt do besides he's actions spoke louder then words and what he said was the truth
1 like@Emma I guarantee you anyone saying ACAB hates politicians and the whole government in general so idk what you’re on about lmao. I know I hate the whole system and want it fixed 🤷 I agree some people saying ACAB don’t even actively do shit to help, but many of us do.
6 likes@Fremen Dialogue isn't going to solve any of these 'problems' (which are in fact intended features)
3 likes@Emma This is what your brain on Tom Macdonald looks like.
0 likes@Emma I'm anti-reform
0 likes@Random Anon No ACAB was created to emphasis the inherently bourgeois nature of the police after early attempts at getting them to side with their own people over that of the government all met with complete failure. Conservative, Liberal or communist, when given the order to massacre civilians, the police have almost never in all history not followed through
5 likes@Zae who gave them the power or supported them with abusing power?
0 likes@Zae shouldve been fired for that he shouldnt get to attempt to ruin someones life to further his career. Cops like that are parasites on society. At least he got some justice i guess
1 likeOr the color and height of the suspect.
1 like@Emma I'm not playing into their hands, I spend most my free time reading theory on what to do, how to do it and how to get others on board.
1 likeAsk yourself, where exactly do you get your information on theory and how the world works and which organisational methods are most effective? Do you read the old theory books yourself and discuss them with people across the entire political spectrum or do you just consume news, movies, music and other media, all of which are owned by billionaires and then just trying to intuit the answers to everything with this dirth of study alone?
If the answer is yes you should stop lecturing others and start lecturing yourself. Read books, listen to audiobooks, most the crucial world changing texts are free in many forms on the Internet now
@Zae usually when law enforcement know that someone did it(beond resonabe dought) they will do that tactic to get more evidence out. But that detective should have not done that.
0 likes@Abundance of Realities my friend went to jail because a woman just accuse him . There was nothing he could of done , he went to jail for 3 months
1 like@Dark Illusion Yeah just what i said. It's sad that women can do that.
2 likes@Martin didn't expect a Rick and Morty reference here
0 likesvery well said lol
0 likesPolice dont care if you are actually guilty. As long as they get a notch on their statistics on solving crime. The more people convicted the better the statistic. It's like a call center, every case closed makes the statistic seems better. Whether the case was actually solved does not matter, only the statistic.
1 like@HughJass sarcasm
0 likes@Abundance of Realities 💀💀
0 likes@Abundance of Realities it’s sad no one believes women who have been raped too but you can’t win them all lol give yourself a break
0 likesThis happened to me.. I'm English, and was arrested for a domestic disturbance. I lived in the building next door and was outside smoking when the police showed up. I was wearing dark clothes and had my hood up, evidently the same description as the actual suspect. I have to say though, I was calm and collected also. I knew I was innocent. I knew there were cameras on my street, and I knew I could prove I lived in the second building. I was also quite comfortable knowing that the girl who had called the police would confirm I wasn't the right guy. I have also been as angry as the second guy, though not in a police situation. Being accused of being unfaithful with 'evidence', I was more that angry. I hated being accused of something I didn't do. Strange how different situations can draw majorly different reactions.
3 likesI would think that the difference between michael and justin is that michael believes in the justice system and knows it's just a matter of "sorting out the problems" and that everything will be just fine. I would think I would be more like michael, having that "we'll figure this out together" aproach.
3 likesTerrifying fact: all it takes to be hauled off against your will to be questioned by people who are allowed to lie to you all they want and are there to get you to confess to a serious crime, is for someone to accuse you of said crime and you be unfortunate enough to have stayed in that night
3 likesWell, spending three and a half days in prison for 46 thousand dollars? Actually not that bad. Still, for most people, this could be traumatizing. I know it would be for me, I really hate injustice, especially when it's happening to me. Kudos to this man for being so calm.
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In jail, not prison. Big difference. And he didn’t know he would get $46k.
0 likesSo the whole “If you are innocent, you have nothing to fear”, is an absolute lie. Innocent people have more to fear.
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What?
338 likesDid you even watch the video and listen to what he talked about?!
I was arrested and charged with 1st degree murder. The victim came and testified he wasn't dead but his testimony wasn't allowed in court because the victim cannot testify on the defendants behalf. It didn't take 2 years but I was in jail in the maximum security ward with murderers and rapist for almost 6 months before I was released with no charges pressed only after I signed away my rights to sue the state for wrongful imprisonment.
7243 likesAwakenedLemming - intresting
305 likes@AwakenedLemming What state are you in? That is an insane story.
2562 likesAwakenedLemming im going to need you to tell the full story fam
1149 likesAwakenedLemming imma need a Reddit post or something because woAh
891 likes@Amanda Hugginkiss sounds like Texas.
7 likes@AwakenedLemming So...the guy who was murdered was never actually killed yet they still tried to prove you were a murderer anyway? The fuck?
3150 likesMisti D They could have had no body and just went “Alright he didn’t kill this guy, but we KNOW he killed someone” or some other dumb shit
854 likesI agree innocent people do have more to fear, going to jail for something you haven't done verses going to jail for something you have done!
1114 likes@AwakenedLemming that's horrible! What state do you live in?
127 likesAre you referring to the video, or philosophically wise. Because your comment is misleading.
20 likes@AwakenedLemming you know that signing something under those cercumstances would invalidate the agreement you made because you was being falsely imprisoned. You could still sue.
466 likes@AwakenedLemming wtf? this has got to be a joke. you were arrested for murdering someone who was still alive?
319 likes@Thong La Mate, I'm sorry but that's a bit naive. The Justice system can be corrupt too as anything goes that gives people power.
339 likesInnocent people have the fear of being wrongly incarcerated, going off all the stories of it actually happening
154 likes@Thong La Are you being serious?
31 likesTrue
4 likes@Thong La well...how do you describe all the innocent people who later was found not guilty....after spending years in prison. Then we can talk about those who still is innocent and in jail
102 likes@AwakenedLemming bruh.
50 likesBRUH
B R U H
Thats so messed up. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Laws like that show that the law is completely skewed in order to try and get convictions, not find the truth.
@Skywalker The video wherein one of the innocent guys ended up spending two years in jail before they proved his innocence? Yeah man, we watched it.
123 likes@Skywalker No did you even watch the video?
33 likes@Mitch H
16 likesThere is a world outside of The USA. In these countries the justice system is hold to a higher standard as in your country. We are not led by corruption, racism or greed. That is why I trust the justice system in my country.
100 percent
2 likes@AwakenedLemming That is SO SICK!! I'm sorry that happened to you, but I'm not surprised.
10 likes@Skywalker Your comment makes it seem like is you who didn't watch the video, the video is about a man that spent 3 days in jail for not committing a crime and has a case of an innocent man that spent more than 2 years before being exonerated; you as an innocent person have more to fear than an actual criminal because you can lose years of your life because someone else didn't do their job well enough.
120 likesyou must be pretty naive if you believed that in the first place
1 likeNot so sure about the "absolute" part, but yes if you are innocent and police want to keep interrogating you after a reasonable period of time (a few minutes, not hours), you ought to get worried enough to lawyer up.
11 likes@Thong La wtf have you been smoking?
35 likes@AwakenedLemming Did your lawyer say that was the best course of action? i can't imagine the fear of being in prison like that, but i feel i would have done everything possible to not have to sign that
8 likesMy civics teacher brought a lawyer once. The lawyer pretty much said never talk until u have your lawyer with u. It's been known that cops or even the system fks the innocent more then the actual crime/ crimee
52 likes@AwakenedLemming There's something screwy with your account. You were "released with no charges filed" yet you already stated you were charged with 1st degree murder. Further once it was determined that the supposed victim was alive, the charges would be dropped and there would be no reason to continue in the court, has noting to do with getting to the point of a victim cannot testify on the defendants behalf.
76 likesFurther even if you had been held in jail, you would be released upon the appearance of the supposed victim, and not have to sign away any rights to sue. FURTHER if you as an innocent person were forced to sign to be released, that would qualify as being under duress and a good lawyer could void that.
I might change my mind if you supply the country this happened in, perhaps their laws and procedures are quite different than in the US.
@H I was in a male/female prison and I worked with some of the females doing laundry. One of them was doing life on a murder charge, and her victim was not dead. Her victim was STILL ALIVE and this like, 22 year old girl was going life.
34 likes@Mystery Meat Soup I was involved in a bar brawl that got way out of hand. How it went from assault at the worst to murder is beyond me, I was already in police custody when they read me the charges. When my friends heard what I was charged with they freaked out knowing the group we'd gotten into a fight with(stupid drunk fight with semi friends/acquaintances we'd known for years they just picked the wrong night to talk shit we'd just buried a friend) and knowing nobody was seriously hurt much less dead they reached out to them. Of course nobody wanted to come forward as being involved in the brawl because there was damage to vehicles and the bar itself. Eventually when he was shown the charges he went to the police station and gave his account of that night. The district attorney actually tried charging me with witness intimidation after learning my friends contacted the victim on my behalf. This happened in 2004 in Colorado, there was an article written in the Gazette (local paper) about my plight that basically saved me from a prison sentence. I wasn't an innocent victim but it was very far from reality.
162 likes@ok_Regan Music he wanted me to stay incarcerated and sue, but I was offered my freedom days before my sons 2nd birthday and I didn't want to stay incarcerated for money, looking back I should have but at the time I just wanted my freedom and to be with my family.
118 likesInvestigators is one of those professions. They're prbly not highly paid to do a better job.
0 likesThong La how can you just trust something that can barely trust it’s self?
4 likes@Stinky Cheese Happened in El Paso county Colorado in 2004. They dropped the relevant charges as well (assault and destruction of property) like I stated I wasn't completely innocent, just grossly overcharged.
82 likes@Thong La yeah, I dont live in the USA. You can say something so laughably false, but its just you being beyond naive. Please do us the courtesy of telling us this magical country with no corruption racism or greed?
57 likes@Thong La Your innocence is endearing. The justice system is set up on averages and with the assumption that every victim is correct, that eye witnesses do not make errors, and that police is always right. Juries are always bias (we are all bias), the more violent the crime, the more empathetic the prosecutor's position is. People want to feel safe and they would rather believe they had the right person, even when they are not sure of guilty, then that they released a potential criminal. The system may not be completely broken but relies heavy on the infallibility of its citizens (law enforcement officers included).
49 likes@AwakenedLemming Wow, i completely understand, actually more than the money i think i'd do it to clear my name, if someone asked me if i've been in jail i would like to be able to say "yes, but i sued them for the injustice" i 100% agree though that you did the right choice by being in your sons bday, who knows how much longer it would have taken
39 likes@Dvn How does that work with no victim?
0 likes@Mimi Pham 😁😁😁
0 likes@Kasey The Jury system still blows my mind, how is that not abolished already?
5 likes@Zane Burns so high I can touch the sky
0 likesSkywalker Yes, sunshine, I did watch the video and the man who was innocent and spent two years in jail kind of proved my point, don’t you think.
13 likesYes, but someone who is confident in their justice system will be more bold and relaxed. Obviously when truth is distorted and people go to jail from mere accusations, you're going to be a nervous wreck.
9 likes@AwakenedLemming that is terrible- I hope you are doing well
3 likes@Thong La Who in their right minds would trust a justice system?
16 likes@mommy milkers I'm doing great, that was 16 years ago. Thank you though, bless you and stay safe.
15 likes@Skywalker The "narrative" is using psychology to claim that if someone is guilty they must (usually) be guilty based on the cop's "experience." Thats not true at all, you never know how somebody will react. You always consider why they might react one way or the other.
10 likeswhat? both eventually were let go. one guy two years but thats still not as bad as if he was guilty. how is that more to fear? i agree 'nothing to fear' is BS tho
0 likes@AwakenedLemming actually you could still sue.
3 likes@AwakenedLemming Why would you ever do that with a supposed victim that's not dead?
0 likes@Skywalker what are YOU talking about?
7 likes@AwakenedLemming you were under duress. Your signing away of your rights is therefore null and void. Get a good Lawyer.
15 likes@Dvn yeah he must live in an oppressive country. in the US you literally have to "produce the body", habeas corpus.
0 likesYes. Watch a video called "Don't talk to the Police" and you'll understand why that's the case even (especially) if you are innocent.
12 likes@Geegee Poo I hope so too and if not... Oh boy...
0 likesIt's funny you say that, I've failed 3 polygraphs all for different reasons. Finally got on with a department visa voice stress analysis. A friend of mine said I was TO honest during the polygraph
2 likes@AwakenedLemming I’m not an expert in law by any means, but here’s what I see with your situation. The agreement you signed should be invalid because you were under duress. You feared that you wouldn’t be released from prison (a dangerous place) if you didn’t sign the agreement. Similar to entering the agreement with a gun to your head.
15 likes@andrefaaa Yeah you should never talk to the police. It is illegal for them to hold you for no reason and to search your things without a warrant. If you say "ok sure" then they can do what they want. I simply say "no its a waste of time for you and me" and go about my day.
3 likes@AwakenedLemming Very sad the government forces you to decide between justice and your children, what a fucked up place to live.
6 likesNot necessarily more. Look into common law, this is how to truly defend yourself
0 likes@Thong La how delusional do you have to be to believe that?
0 likes@Thong La completely false. Sometimes the police want to the case to be over quick and smart. So they interrogate you long enough to break your will and force you to confess under duress. Its illegal of course, but it happens.
6 likes@AwakenedLemming
6 likes"..only after I signed away my rights to sue the state for wrongful imprisonment.."
Tells you just how corrupt the system is now.....
@Thong La Lots of innocent folks sitting in jail had that idea....
6 likes@AwakenedLemming You should have sued.
1 like"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear": A quote made by and used by Nazi leader and The propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels. This horrendous quote is still said to this day in our society.
13 likes@Tyronious Blaximus what makes you say this?
0 likesyes the world is waking up to the fact that police are not your friends
1 likeI think the way this works, is that if you are middle class, have a mortgage, then you are very vulnerable. But if you are a minority with a rap sheet, the investigators and prosecutors will work to help you stay off prison.
1 like@Stinky Cheese there was a crime story of a man convicted of murder based on the testimony of a child eyewitness. When the DNA evidence exonerated the convicted man, the prosecutor tried to throw away the DNA evidence arguing the DNA was not used in convicting and should not be used in exonerating. I guess the system works as long as you are not the one behind bars.
4 likesI can't find the reference to the case I mentioned, but I did find link to the evidence pointing to the prosecutors resisting DNA evidence even if it contradicts their assumption of guilt for the accused.
https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-commentary/prosecutorial-resistance-to-exculpatory-dna-evidence.html
Um, there's not an overwhelming number of innocent people sitting in jail. Per capa it's actually extremely rare
1 like@Thong La thats the thing, you shouldnt trust the justice system. its shit, its rigged as fuck. listen to any defense attorney talk about difference of outcomes.
3 likes@Skywalker maybe she is talking about the fact that Justin guy spent two years inside for the break in and assault he didnt commit
4 likes100%
0 likes@AwakenedLemming what??? They force you to sign the no sue document after they've done all illegal things?????
1 like@Skywalker police twist words. Any lawyer worth their salt will say, "never, ever, speak to the police even if you are innocent." They're not talking to you to see if you're the right guy, they're seeing what statement they can get to arrest you and put you in jail. The law is, anything you say will be used AGIANST you, not for you. If you are innocent DON'T talk to the police, if they make a arrest, everything you said is now going to be used against you. there's an awesome lecture on YouTube about it actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
5 likesReally recommend it.
"Hey, guys, you can release him I'm not really dead"
5 likes"No. Dead men tell no tales." - The court
@Sam Fisher then show me numbers and not some CNN articles. Because yes it is in the number show it. Most people that commit crimes are the people that committed those crimes hi. I think you need to look at National averages and how many people are in jail now. Regardless of what you think it is still rare
0 likes@Sam Fisher some of you guys live in such a tiny bubble of a world I feel sorry for you
0 likes@Sam Fisher what the hell does have to do with anything? Lol. Do you even remember what this article is about? Lol
0 likes@AwakenedLemming that's cap
1 likeDispatch: "the man was a small and white." The detective" ok so a 6ft3 black man"
4 likes@Thong La why would anyone trust that system? im terrified of having anything terrible happen to me as a girl because i know i wont get justice because the system is corrupt and always has been
1 like@Thong La you're absolutely right because no innocent person has ever gone to jail wrongfully convicted
1 like@Mystery Meat Soup lol you and me both
0 likes@Mystery Meat Soup an IAma
0 likes@Killjoy Kahunaapparently not everyone is as starved for attention as you are.
2 likes@Cameron Grant Defense attorneys are usually the good ones, tehy hate prosecutors too bc they dont get paid shit.
0 likesthere have been wrongfull inprisonments for decades in the US. There are people who have sat in prison for decades or where wrongfully sentenced even to death... so yea
1 like@Cameron Grant yea I chose it because I originally saw it in connection with Metallica and only later learned about it's true meaning ... I still associate it mainly with Metallica tho ^^
1 likeThinking about the people who were innocentt and given the death penalty only for them to realize later they executed an innocent person.
1 like@Skywalker yeah he did listen to 1:25
0 likesthe police have the right to lie to you while questioning, and oh boy will they be glad to exert that right
1 likeLaw enforcement has been known to target to people also, to make their job quicker.
1 likeI've got social anxiety and If i was accused I'd react strongly and challenge their perception. Microexpressions cannot be used as evidence in court due to the various reactions out there and again perception.
@AwakenedLemming imma need a “I was blatantly falsely imprisoned in the country I live and in and I still live here ask me anything”
2 likesI know this better than most.
1 likeYes absolutely
1 likeLike religion, they rely and benefit through fear even if there are alternatives.
1 likeyes, even if you used to be a spook.
0 likesAnd you guys still think that us is the best country to live?
0 likes@Skywalker Did you? The person WAS INNOCENT and he was locked up for 3 days, then the officers involved in his arrest and initial investigation were suspended. Again, he was innocent and had MORE to fear because he was unable to prove his innocence as an innocent. A guilty person doesn't have that on their mind, they want to trick the investigator but they know they are more than likely going down if already in that chair.
2 likes@Sky NightZ So you think a guilty person would have had less to fear? Do you think they would've let a guilty person go after 3 days, suspend the officers AND give him some money?
0 likesYeah you know the system is not right when your freedom can be determined by whether or not the investigating detective is in a good mood or not.
1 likethat's what Sydney Powell's been trying to tell everyone since 2014 that the system is broke always have an attorney on hold called I think a blind retainer normally 100 to 400 dollar never ever talk to the police without on even if ur trying to help
1 likeDefinitely not “more”. You’re watching one interrogation video...let’s not impugn the entire system and every actor on that basis.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming thats f*cked, what if you didn't
0 likesIndeed. There is only one thing you can say to get you out of such a mess IF you are ever apprehended wrongfully: "I want my lawyer." This is the ONLY answer you should give to ANYTHING they say.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming That's some effed up Minority Report malfunction right there! Wow!
0 likesOh wow, the 9,900th like. Nice
1 like@AwakenedLemming
0 likesDude you should totally submit your story to this YouTuber.
@Skywalker You should ask yourself this question
0 likesI tell people this all the time! This is why you don’t talk to the police without a lawyer! Ever. Even if you’re innocent.
1 like@Skywalker did YOU? Just because body language and even EVIDENCE of their innocent doesn't mean they don't sit and rot in jail before they even get their day in their court. And even when innocent people do get their did get their day in court they can very easily go to prison. The guy who just got off a bus and body language screamed innocent still went to jail.
2 likes@AwakenedLemming what promoted you to sign your rights away? Just to be released? I believe it's obvious they can't hold you forever when the dead victim is alive, so you did to prevent some time in jail?
0 likes@Your Inner Lawyer So you're telling me you think they would've let a guilty person go in that situation?
0 likesOr why would a guilty person have less to fear?
Investigators: we aren't gonna talk about whether you did it because it'll be back and forth
3 likesAlso Investigators: why did you do it?
Yep cuz they want someone and if they know they’ll never be able to find them then they’ll blame it on the first person they get
0 likes@Thong La Your country is one out of hundreds. So a small puny representation of Justice in relation to the whole globe.
0 likesMicheal deserved to be treated better by the investigator (either guilty or innocent). The investigator repeated multiple times that he was trying to be nice to Micheal when he actually wasn’t and you can tell by the tone of the investigators voice when he said that sentence.
1 likeI’m so glad the investigator got demoted, he is such a d*ckhead.
@Ily Ska Switzerland is also a small and puny country 😄 🇨🇭
0 likesTell me about it. Living at my uni dorm with no computer, to be arrested at 6Am by Interpol agents accusing me of hacking into the government for the past 3 years. No computer. A fucking law student. Yeah, innocent people have too much to fear. Cops who aren't familiar with computing are dangerous.
4 likesDuh? That’s the criminal justice system is you aren’t rich (typically white).
0 likesPlea deals exist in part to be able to push people who aren’t guilty to admit guilt to reduce a sentence just so that the police can say they “solved” a cases
3 likesYep. Never speak to the police without a lawyer, there is no way it can help you.
2 likesThat quote usually refers to searching of someone's property or something similar to that
0 likesBirgitta Birgersdatter
1 likeI agree Birgitta, the guilty, although they don't want to be convicted and go to prison, have the knowledge that they are deserving of their fate, the innocent know they don't deserve a conviction because they aren't guilty.
@Skywalker he is saying the video is wrong
0 likesThe police will try to frame innocent people. They do it all the time.
1 likePOC in America basically
1 like@AwakenedLemming lol yeah right bro. Just because the victim isn’t dead doesn’t mean you didn’t kill him. Do we look like fools yo you?
2 likes@Skywalker That only would work in a vacuum. In reality there's massive amount of innocent people jailed. Incompetent, biased or straight up corrupt officers, prosecutors or judges have no care for what was mentioned in this video.
0 likes@Extraordinary ActSofGlasS one innocent person sitting in jail is already an overwhelming number.
2 likes@Thong La Did you really just say "My country isn't run by corrupt pigs so I trust my police service" but in nicer words?
0 likesLike... Mimi Pham is right, you are a bad troll.
Like, cops are humans, different humans act differently, thereby resulting in bad cops, all across the globe. (just as likely to have a good cop though!, and it's even better when the country isn't a dogmatic dictatorship that demands you to obey or else!)
You a lawyer?
0 likes@AwakenedLemming You can still sue. They can't make you sign away your constitutional rights. You can actually sue for that too, and it should be an open and shut case. You could get a lot of money from those bastards. If I were you, I'd start my lawsuit right this second. Wrongful imprisonment, and breaching your constitutional rights. Lot's of money. Think of how much bullshit you could get out of from that --no more fear of debt, a better job (since employers discriminate against the poor), a decent house, a decent car, financial security, a good savings/growth plan, invest in stocks, invest in your children's futures, and so on. And you'd be sticking it to those bastards who wrongfully and knowingly put you away while they were well aware the "victim" was literally alive.
3 likesIf they ever read your rights to you. ASK FOR A LAWYER
0 likes@AwakenedLemming you should have stayed in there and gotten a lawyer and the "victim" and sued the shit out of them from in the prison.
0 likesPeople have their lives ruined and ended over false convictions. People are falsely accused of rape that spend years in prison before being found innocent. People are found guilty of murder and executed, only to be found innocent years or even decades later.
1 likeThat makes absolutely no sense lmao
0 likes@helihobbit probably well past statute.
0 likesNot me, I'd love to spend 3.5 days detained for 46 grand afterwards.
0 likesThe first rule of talking to the cops: dont doesn't matter if you are innocent or guilty. Cops are not your friend and they will pretend to be it is their job to get someone, anyone arrested for whatever crime.
0 likesIf you are innocent you can still fear bicose they can put it on you if you don't have a airtight alibi 😎
0 likes@AwakenedLemming how is the person alleged to have been murdered not even allowed to testify in court that he was never murdered in the first place??? That is so cracked! And fucked.
0 likes@Sam Fisher "internet articles are there the one day the next they're gone." That's not New York State that's everywhere. I live in Louisiana run by Republicans and I've had the same thing happen to me
0 likes@Sam Fisher I believe it's the same everywhere because it's not the federal, state, or local government doing this but that portion of the "deep state" that exists in the private sector. We used to call it the shadow government.
1 like@Amanda Hugginkiss I think he was in a state of complete confusion bordering on delusional
0 likes@AwakenedLemming why did they make you sue away rights
0 likes@Skywalker
0 likesThe video clearly supports this conclusion.
No shit! If you did it, you did it.
0 likesBut if you didn't, they'll fucking torture you to MAKE you do it, and then record your "confession"!
@AwakenedLemming sleepylemming
0 likesExactly.
0 likesYep
0 likes@Awakenedlemming
0 likesOmg bro that’s horrible, uggghhhhh that makes my blood boil!
temporary restraining orders are a form of guilty before proven innocent. all one has to do is allege domestic abuse which doesn't even mean physical abuse mind you, and your children will be taken away from you as well as property with custody being granted to the other party. very sad and probably the main reason for fatherless homes.
1 like@Skywalker I mean he's sorta right. Just because you're innocent doesn't mean you can't fear or be nervous. Hell, even the bald guy said "I'm freaking out a little" before he was taken to his holding.
0 likesi almost got in trouble in year 2 cause of this logic, i started crying and then the teacher was like "if ur not guilty why are u crying"
0 likes@AwakenedLemming that has got to be the dumbest rule i have ever heard
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Woah.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming bro were you charged with killing joseph joestar or something?
2 likesyou know, because he went to his funeral to say he wasnt dead
@Crethan21 nope his name was Chad Throw and it was witness intimidation to ask him to come to court after his written statement to my lawyer was dismissed because victims can’t testify in the defendants behalf. There was an article about the case in the westword in July of 06
0 likes@AwakenedLemming well, uhh, that sucks, sorry that happened
0 likes@AwakenedLemming
2 likesCharged with murder
Supposed victim of murder: "Uh, guys? I'm still alive, you know."
Court: "Shhhhh. You're dead now"
I wouldn't say MORE, rather just as much.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming bro stop trolling these dudes...I did actually go down the Bernard Gilligan rabbit-hole, you should buy that guy some prison rations or something....
0 likes@Killjoy Kahuna how are you SO sure its fake.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming dude that was not first degree murder, that would be ATTEMPTED murder. The prosecutors must have been out of their mind, or they wanted the maximum sentence for you. I'm sorry that happened to you man, that should happen to no one.
1 like@adam adam Hmm, I want to believe you but it's difficult when you don't use spell check 😶
0 likes@Brendan Schoen why bother commenting? Compensating for something.
0 likes@Thong La In most of the outside world, you are guilty until proven innocent.
0 likes@adam adam No, because I want to believe you but it's difficult when you don't use spell check.
0 likes@Brendan Schoen it's fine if you don't believe. Why such a problem with a spelling error? Could you not understand the argument? Is there a reason why you want to believe?
0 likesmy life...
0 likesYou’re absolutely right. Most won’t be able to comprehend that
0 likes@AwakenedLemming are you talking about the case involving Parish Raymond Carter?
0 likes@Extraordinary ActSofGlasS Well if you count all the people in for Marijuana, then their are a ton of innocent people in jail frankly.
2 likesAnd you uh have to remember our justice system works off tons of plea deals and admitting to shit to get lighter sentences regardless of if you did it.
@AwakenedLemming what max prison was it
0 likesMy guidance is shut the hell up and call your lawyer. Guilty or innocent, talking is a fool's game.
0 likesMore? No.. tf
0 likesThat's dumb asf.
In general innocent people don't get arrested, they don't have to fast more.
@AwakenedLemming wow I thought I had it bad.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming you can still sue. Signing something under the impression that if you don't sing. You will rot in prison forever. Is not a valid signature. I would have signed it. Man I can't imagine murder charges when I just got burglary. I didn't do the burglary. Lost half my life now live in exile. All for finding a ring. And pawning it. But yours beats mime. I bet you thought it was a wrap. Did you hold hope you would get out? Sorry you had to go through that shit man.
1 like@adam adam that's what I said
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I hope you have been well compensated for that. That's such bullshit.
0 likes@Thong La where are you from then
0 likes@skraa bruh I'm from Switzerland 🇨🇭
0 likesAmen!
0 likes@AwakenedLemming wtf ? That's so horrendous I can't imagine how you've dealt with this , that's total b.s. that you aren't allowed to sue.
0 likes@Skywalker what? Did you even watch the video and listen to what he talked about? One of the guys got sent to prison for 2 YEARS even though he was innocent, it took that long before he was given the chance to prove that he didn't do it. I don't think you really understand what the video was about
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Dear gods....
0 likesOur justice system is damaged and needs an intellectual overhaul
1 like@AwakenedLemming that's horrible
0 likes@Misti D He was accused of murder but attempted murder is basically the same thing
0 likesTrue...I just spend $70. 000 defending myself (even had witness and phone record) of braking restraining order against my ex-daughter in law
0 likesSomeone talks about being wrongfully convicted and people immediately ask ‘which state’ lmao as if other countries dont exist
2 likes@AwakenedLemming wait ypu had to...no fuck that you better havent gotten some compensation
0 likes@AwakenedLemming you should not have signed that shit my dude.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I read your later comment and see why you signed it. I would’ve signed it too. Much love man.
1 likemore to fear, and everything to lose.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I am so sorry that happened to you.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming "Merica!"....fucked up piece of shit system , I hope to live long enough to see the police defunded and the system completely reformed, America's youth need to realize their power and come together to change the country and the world!
1 likeShit I'd serve 3 days for that much money I would laugh and ve happy I'm getting a good pay check at the end of the day id probably tell the cop thats amazing how much do I get per day I'm wrongly imprisoned? Because damn I'd stay there for just enough days to pay off a house.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming that's crazy and sad man... More power to you. May that never happen to anybody again.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Can a family still sue them? I'm sure they didn't sign away their rights.
0 likes@Birgitta Birgersdatter
0 likesLike check (:
@Misti D deadass what kind “justice” system exists today?
0 likesIf your innocent sure getting convicted and losing your rights by the state is scary, but otherwise would an innocent person try to run, escape, or actually be honest and confident?
0 likesSkywalker did you not watch the video lmao? The police are corrupt and don’t actually give a fuck they just want an arrest. That why you should ALWAYS ask for a lawyer when your being questioned.
0 likes@Mister No Nonsense
0 likeslol I really wonder what I wrote and how long ago. There's no way to find out unless I sift through 254 comments xD
Whether you’re innocent or guilty, shut up and get a lawyer.
0 likes@Thong La at least be a good non obvious troll bro
0 likesExsactly .....
0 likesToday it's GUILTY until proven innocent in our society. Even being accused will destroy someone's life.
0 likesInnocence is in the eye of the beholder. Regardless of your guilt, you absolutely need to fear being charged with anything.
@AwakenedLemming what. The. Fuck. I hope you're all good. That's a travesty and horrendous. I wish you could say you signed under duress(having to stay in jail is absolutely fear inducing) because someone absolutely should be held accountable for stealing 6 months of your life, giving you PTSD, and damaging your future and life because of the accusation alone.
1 likeFucking terrible.
Never. Talk. To. The. Police.
1 like@No imagine. Going through that and someone says cap
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Going to have to press "X" to doubt on that one.
1 likeyeah, if you're black.
0 likesWell i wouldnt say more, but yeah
0 likesTotally and these videos are only examples of all the reasons for the problems in our world and how unsafe it is.
0 likes@Mister No Nonsense
0 likesi just hit "show more" to browse over 260 comments. I felt the scroller lagging more and more as I did it just to get to ur original comment again xD
Ye they sure have an important job, they really shouldn't be doing any mistakes with that.
If you are rich, wealthy, and Jewish you have nothing to fear.
0 likesThat’s why you should always get a lawyer even if you are innocent
0 likes@AwakenedLemming and the justice system fails once again.
0 likesbeing real, this quote is pretty true
1 likeYes ,I used to think that then i got older and wiser
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Ah, damn! I’m in Colorado and I know El Paso county. Like I tell my friends … Colorado doing the most 🙄 If you’re ever in the Denver area, I’ll buy you lunch! Least I can do bc they used my tax money to F you over 😊
1 likeYeah you behave differently when your guilty vs guiltily
0 likes@AwakenedLemming The fuck? Surely there's a news article on this. This sounds utterly unbelievable
1 like@AwakenedLemming did you get any compensation ? wow
0 likes@Austin [Opi] Funstuff extreme cap
0 likes@Maniacofmines there is 2 one in the westword and one in the gazette telegraph both from july 2004 idk the dates I don’t have copies as I was incarcerated
0 likes@AwakenedLemming What happens if you didn't sign your rights away to sue? Do they keep you there because if so that is so fucked up wtf
0 likes@Violette Ramirez then I’d be waiting for my next court appearance months away and no matter what would probably have been convicted of witness tampering and assault. (I was 100% guilty of assault and destruction of property)
0 likesTrust no cop. Before calling a cop, resolve issues yourself. You'll be facing time anyway.
1 like@AwakenedLemming I 100% guarantee that any document or contract you signed is unenforcible. Get a good lawyer and you will have a huge sum of money awarded to you. No one can kidnap you and then say “we will let you go sooner if you sign something saying you wont press charges or sue”, not the state, not the federal government, nobody.
0 likesOnce you're targeted, it's fucking scary. I was once arrested during a traffic stop (that didn't result in a traffic ticket because I didn't do anything wrong) after having my car searched. I was arrested for having a larger pepper spray than that state allowed and the cop asked me SPECIFICALLY if I had any cocaine on me and I started hyperventilating. I thought FOR SURE I was about to have cocaine planted in my car, I was so scared. Cops are fucking scary when you're in their proverbial crosshairs. I kept calm because I was terrified and I'm a 100 lb. woman whose biggest fear is being beaten by a man - let alone a cop who can say I was resisting or difficult. Nothing compared to being accused of murder, but it would've been a few years in jail in that state and that was a scary couple hours. I didn't think I was getting out of there.
0 likesExactly! Your whole life is ruined especially if you don’t have money to prove your innocence or bond like you’ll lose your job plus some
0 likesIf I’m innocent, I have to fear shit like THIS happening.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming you are a strong man. What happened to you was unfair. Wish you well
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I call total BS.
0 likesDO NOT SAY A WORD UNTILL YOU GET A LAWYER!
0 likes@AwakenedLemming dude WTF. Sue the state.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming "1st degree murder" "the victim came" i don't think corpses can walk
0 likesTrue
0 likesIf it's true what you say (which sounds weird you "having to sign away your rights to sue the state") I would dedicate a good portion of my next life stage into going public and revealing every little bit of that story in all media about how the state operates. You have only to gain, for you and for any other innocent person who has or might still face it. Maybe others would come forward as well. We can not have corrupt law systems.
1 like@adam adam He signed away his right to sue for false imprisonment, no judge would see his case. The police has too much power.
1 likeI'd be ESPECIALLY scared knowing I'm innocent
0 likes@AwakenedLemming smh
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I have the court's judges IP address and phone number and the cop's too.
0 likesI'm DEFINETLY gonna have fun with this! 🙂🔪
Exactly! Anyone who says that you shouldn't care about this because "you've got nothing to hide" need to watch this video!
1 like@God's Revolver actually that don't sound too bad
0 likesIf they locked ya up with a.bunch of chicks life in prison seems.like a nice life xd
Exactly. Once they realize the accused is innocent they double down out of fear they will be sued.
0 likesExactly, one of my family members is falsely accused of something he/she didn’t do. It’s scary especially when they didn’t do anything they’re accused of rather than when they actually did it.
1 like@Amanda Hugginkiss it happens more than you think bud.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming lol good riddance
0 likes@God's Revolver honestly this puts the fear of something in you. Horrifying.
0 likes@Anitquah Harlom Epstein didn’t fair well.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming uhm what how can you be charge with murder if the guy was not dead ? The fuck ?
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Bro fucking sue them.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming You signing to get out would make that contract invalid. Get that bag $$$
0 likes@AwakenedLemming That's beyond fucked up
0 likes@AwakenedLemming
1 likeA contract signed under duress is invalid. Get an attorney who loves suing the government.
@AwakenedLemming How the fuck did they prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that the "murdered" guy was dead?
0 likes@AwakenedLemming i hope you dont still regret leaving incarceration to be there for your sons early childhood. Money you can replace but time like that you cant buy.
1 likeMany sebold are walking amongst us.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming You're a strong person for hanging in there man. I hope the rest of your life will be better
0 likesThis is probably in Wisconsin
0 likes@Skywalker Justin was falsely imprisoned for two years. Clearly, you didn't watch
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Hey I know I'm very late as it's been six months, but would you happen to know the name of the article or how I can find it? It sounds really interesting.
0 likes@Alex it was in the west word, I never saw it as I was incarcerated at the time.
0 likesEvery single lawyer and some cops will tell you.
0 likesNever talk to the police. Especially if you are innocent.
Never ever talk to the police.
0 likestotally! i don't mind paying for what i did, but paying for something i didn't did, i would rather die
0 likesIf you're a guy then yes unfortunately
0 likes@Sapieteuthid arent this two years from his old record of 3 years in jail?
0 likes@AwakenedLemming holy shit
0 likesI mean that innocent man, the one in the comments
0 likes@AwakenedLemming "The victim came and testified he wasn't dead but his testimony wasn't allowed in court because the victim cannot testify on the defendants behalf. " This is some clown-world level legal system.
1 likenot surprising but still annoying
0 likes@AwakenedLemming that's a violation of your amendments, u should sue
0 likes@ShreyX was in 2004 I’ve moved on, just shared my story
0 likesAlong with "you'll show me your bag if you have nothing to hide", "if you're innocent, you wouldn't avoid answering", and "note his guilty silence".
0 likesWeirdly enough in my country it isn’t guilty until proven innocent, but innocent until proven guilty. Thus “if you are innocent you have nothing to fear” as there shall be no evidence.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I know someone who went through something similar. Someone I know was seen walking through a park at night, the same park a murder just happened to take place in. The police planted fake evidence in his car, he got arrested and charged for the murder he had no idea happened, and had his entire life ruined. Dude was in jail for like, 15 years before it came out that the evidence was planted. And just like you, he wasnt allowed to leave until he signed papers saying he wouldnt sue for wrongful imprisonment. Honestly kind of fucked how they are so willing to protect themselves like that to save face, but it does the opposite it makes the courts look flawed as fuck.
0 likesDo not ever talk to the police without a lawyer present….
0 likes@Thong La that’s hilarious considering the video we just watched took place in Canada lol
0 likes@Thong La I‘m not sure what country you live in but it‘s certainly not in Europe.
0 likesAustralia and New Zealand have their own problems and are no less protectorates than Canada.
@AwakenedLemming I‘m now driving to El Paso County, Colorado in order to go to 2004.
0 likesYes
0 likesik lim late but fr because if ur innocent ofc your gonna be scared ur being accused of somthing yk you didnt do who wouldnt be scared?
1 likeSurely you can argue that the contract was made under duress?
0 likesNot really.
1 likeInnocent people still have nothing to fear, save for their own emotional outbursts making them suspects. Someone who seems emotional is gonna give a lot of red flag vibes to the police for various reasons. The guilty have this too, but they also have the fear of people finding the truth of their actions.
Better thing to say would be that “emotional people have more to fear”
@AwakenedLemming wait wut
0 likes@AwakenedLemming I'm suprised that so many people believe in your fishy story, as your tale for attention is clearly ostensible. I won't believe you unless you give corroboration, such as images of the case file with the sensitive information redacted.
0 likes@haha Lmfao your a joke. If you care to research it there was an article about me in the July 2006 west word.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Ok, so you're either Kaj Linna, in which case you were compensated for 18 million SEK, or you're Cameron Todd Willingham, in which case you were executed, or you're Jerry Watkins, in which case you were compensated with $475,000, or you're Crystal Weimer, who spent 11 years in prison, or you're just an internet troll. You tell me who you are.
0 likes@AwakenedLemming Not very believable
0 likesNot sure where the hell you got that idea. xD
0 likes@AwakenedLemming That happened
0 likesthree days in prison and 46.000 dollars still sounds like a more than decent tradeoff to me.
0 likesLook up the video "Don't talk to the police" by regent university. It's a lecture from a defense attorney and a sheriff explaining that even if you're innocent they will find a way to make you guilty.
0 likesI have learned that it doesn't matter wether you are inocente or guilty, don't talk to the police get a lawyer
0 likes@Skywalker did YOU watch the video? Lol... They tried to bluff and entrap him by lying to him, then mistreated him to the point the suspect had to sue the city...
0 likes@AwakenedLemming whaaat?! Do you get compensated or anything?
0 likesI call bullshit
0 likes@Skywalker bro someone got imprisoned for 2yrs for nothing ofc they gonna be afraid
0 likesyouve seen some shit huh
0 likes@AwakenedLemming prove it bro
0 likesthe end of the video was satisfying. the detective was far out of line and definitely deserved the demotion. the falsely accused is one of the kindest souls i've ever seen, i could never be so understanding and patient.
6 likesthat detective should of been fired for trying to put an innocent man in prison this just shows how corrupt the law really is
8 likesDue to previous circumstances in life, I know I would react like Michael. Not because I’m especially intelligent but just the fact that it would never cross my mind that I’d actually ever go to prison. Which is probably naive. But it’s just an insane thought to me to be told there’s video evidence of me doing something I didn’t do. Hope it never happens to me
6 likesThank you for the update on the civil suit. It was outrageous how the cop lied. The detective should find new work. He is not cut out for this job.
1 likebeing charged for a crime you didnt commit is truly nightmare fuel
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26 likesRANTONI BAMBOYI RATATOULLI RAVIOLI
84 likesRanton come back to making videos ravioli
73 likesMiss you bb
18 likesHi
3 likesfell down the “this is what pretending to be crazy looks like” rabbit hole too, huh?
145 likesAyy Antoni my man.
3 likesBruh. Please reupload your legend of korra review.
9 likesDamn Ranton are you on my same algorithm? First the Rubin dunking and then this
7 likesDon't have to tell me twice 😫
1 likeTry doing something completely legal and normal, but someone who hates your guts for whatever reason accused you in bad faith of serious felonies, and then you are illegally investigated as a result.
7 likesWait Anton you’re alive wow
3 likesReview resident evil 8
2 likesso many of them whats new
1 likeBeing trapped by the people meant to help you
2 likesYes, I know this very well
0 likesThis is like seeing your teacher at a supermarket
2 likesYet it happens to people all the time. And despite making out like they're "looking for the truth", the prosecutors just want to win and prove their case. They twist and manipulate, and the Cops lie in looking for information. Sure that's valid if the person is actually guilty, except what about for when they're not? Unfortunately coming out the other side with only a few days in jail and a nice settlement is rare. Many of the falsely accused end up behind bars. I know the majority there in jail are guilty, but I'm guessing that doesn't make it any better on those who are innocent and in there.
8 likesToot-toot
0 likesRanton!!
1 likeIt‘s rantoni-didnotcommitthecrimehewasconvictedfor-teroni
0 likesOH SHIT RANTON FUCK YEAH
1 likeDrop a fucking video
1 likeThis is why I am against the death penalty. If the state kills even one innocent person then the whole thing is bad. I am also against abortion.
10 likesNo waay
0 likesI have been, i thinner its more common than u think
0 likesWtf
0 likes@Dan the Lad hi
0 likes@MewmewGrrl You are 100% spot on right. The "special agent" from the DEA straight up LIED in my case on the stand. So did the ADA in the new media. They don't want the truth, they just want to fuel their careers. Well, I hope the 3 years I did in Chowchilla helped their careers, and that they enjoy their lives here on Earth... Because there's One Who is the Righteous Judge, and He NEVER gets it wrong. Ever...
1 like@vaskylark Same. In every regard. Only God should be in charge of who lives and who doesn't. Peace, friend <3
3 likesMmmhm I was arrested for “wielding an axe” that I never touched or held in my life that is babylon for you
0 likesYOU WOULD KNOW EH RANTONI PEPPERONI?!?!? <3
1 likeI had so many nightmares about that lol
0 likesEspecially if you get in prison for many many years
0 likesTell me about it
0 likesEyyy U not ded.
0 likesWe miss you so much...
1 likePapa rantoni.
1 likeFor real... It's enough to promote paranoia, self-monitoring (like having a video camera recording you at all times), and other extreme measures. It's terrifying
0 likesI've been waiting forever for you to post something on your channel 🙄
0 likesOmg rantoni
1 likedidn't think to see ranton here
0 likes@Mcfischl lol, all you can say is if you agree or disagree, but who is going to disagree? Like you just said fr and agreed. What else is there to talk about?
0 likesThe real question is where are the videos rantoni pepperoni
0 likesIf i get proven innocent after a few year and i get a few million bucks I wouldn’t be mad
0 likesCertainly didnt expect finding ranton in the comments, guess youtube algorythm hits us all the same
0 likesPs: MAKE MORE VIDEOS PLS GOD DAMN I MISS YOU BOI
My man here like is nothing
1 likebeing charged for a crime you did isn't better either
0 likeskafka
0 likesAnd it happens every damn day to far too many people.
0 likesIn a lot of cases you probably won't be charged. For the one in the US it's really unfortunate he had a criminal background, and in that area. It makes his word look that much less credible, and is just sad. This is might be exactly why he was set up though.
1 likeIn the main case for the video though, the officer just didn't do their job to a disgusting extent. Their dismissiveness to any other narrative makes them extremely dangerous as a police officer.
There's an Oscar-nominated Danish movie called "The Hunt (Jagten)" with Mads Mikkelsen in the lead, kind of based on that concept, brilliant film.
0 likesRANTONI???
0 likesThe sad thing is that it happens all the time in america and there are many innocent people in prison right now.
0 likes@Dingus Dongle you sir have a fantastic name
0 likesit has happened to me :( it is truly the worse thing that I have ever had to deal with
1 likeYes. And I'm pretty sure I would react more like that first guy. In crisis, a switch flips, and I get very cold and analytical. The more upset I am on the inside, the more controlled I appear on the outside. They'd probably "read" me as some kind of psychopath, even though I'd be fuming inside and holding myself in check.
0 likesI read that in, like, that really weird way of talking you do in your videos. XD
0 likesit’s terrifying
0 likesYeah, my middle school social studies teacher who was also a coach got fired when charged for a case of domestic violence and abuse and went to prison for a month but was ruled innocent. The ex gf was then found guilty. He got his job back but he wasn't his happy and joking self afterwards, just very quiet and somber.
0 likesLol you still exist? Maybe new video soon?
0 likesHe lives
0 likesWhere the fuck are you ranton
0 likesI can attest to that. I got convicted by a jury of my peers too. Absolutely horrific and It makes me feel a certain way when people say this type of thing only happens to black men.
2 likesi can’t imagine the horror of being put on trial, going to prison, and be hated by thousands for something you didn’t do. ugh why am i sobbing again
1 likeI’ve actually had a vivid nightmare of the exact scenario, to this day it’s the worst one I’ve had.
0 likesI got 3 months because behind me the police came and I didn't even notice them. Someone else threw 2 boxes of pills without having prescrription and they chose randomly who is gonna pay for the boxes they found. I still boil inside when I think about it. I acted as the second guy, extrovert and highly combatant but got 3 months anyway.
2 likesWassup Rantoni Myann???
0 likesWhy the fuck do i find RANTON here in the comments while i was surfing? My german fella i miss your Vids. :)
0 likes@Nikolaos Mark
0 likesWere you in a vehicle and someone threw the pills out?
@Dingus Dongle yes 😔
1 like@Mcfischl When you see commenters with a checkmark next to their name you might as well be looking at the avatar of a cult leader the way people react to them.
0 likes@Ranton where u at pls come back
0 likesYo Ranton I thought you were dead
0 likesWell at least your rich afterwords (this is a joke)
0 likesHappened to me as a hispanic, was charged and sent to jail with no one to talk it put with, they just put me in jail, no evidence, even tried calling me crazy to avoid letting me stand trial.
0 likesHe's alive!!!
0 likesHey was geht :D
0 likesHighly likely if you have priors. That's a big issue with the judicial system imo.
0 likesaye love ya vids lol, but yeah thats terrifying
0 likesRANTON
0 likesLove your content
0 likesRANTON
0 likeswelcome to america
0 likesI can think of worse things.
0 likesIt’s funny because i got accused of crashing to someone and wounding him. i was just scared shitless. I was a teenager at the time and drove without a license (i know that’s bad but who didn’t do this?) and one morning, my mother received a call from the cort or sonething and after couple of hours, she called me crying and i was just speechless, and even she and my dad didn’t believe in me.
0 likesIt is a really shitty thing to go through and I don’t want to be ever in that position, again!
Rantoni papparoni watches JCS what a surprise
0 likesYeah, enough talk. When's your next video ??
0 likesThink of all the people doing life for crimes they really didn't do 😳
0 likesIt's wrong that no one goes to jail for that
0 likesProlly happens every day... Dozens of times
0 likesNot getting mein deutschenglischen Monk is schrecklich
0 likesIt's the scariest thing in the world to be charged with a crime you did not commit, or even if you're arrested and the police lie about what happened.
0 likesthis is why i wanted to be a lawyer lmao
0 likes@RandomChristianMusings I was accused of theft over 250k and vandalism damage of 80k. 1 federal felony 1 state jail felony charges. Would of been 16 years down the drain. I lawyered up when they tried to arrest me the first time. Since I was so confused about what was going on. Never been in trouble with the law before. Took about 2 years for my charges to be dropped. Cost me around 40k just to fight it. 29k for lawyer. 11k to bond out. And guess how much money I got back. 0.00
0 likesI was accused of theft over 250k and vandalism damage of 80k. 1 federal felony 1 state jail felony charges. Would of been 16 years down the drain. I lawyered up when they tried to arrest me the first time. Since I was so confused about what was going on. Never been in trouble with the law before. Took about 2 years for my charges to be dropped. Cost me around 40k just to fight it. 29k for lawyer. 11k to bond out. And guess how much money I got back. 0.00
0 likesIt's literally my worst fear outside of the normal losing my kids
0 likes@Dingus Dongle hahaha sooo true 😭
0 likes@vaskylark it's ok if it never kills an innocent person?
0 likes@anonymous name There's no way of knowing, is there, so your question is moot and I am against the death penalty because of that.
0 likesBeen there before, it's tough
0 likesIn Soviet Russia crime commits you.
0 likesRANTON :D
0 likesWould stop its sick i am awaiting trial for something i didnt do it sick 😰😥
0 likesyea so sad
1 likeIs a pleasure finding hiden comments of the legend on youtube, HI RANTONNN
0 likesHappened to me once.
0 likesLol
0 likesHappened to me twice, never been to jail but now I'm on fucking probation and got my ass kicked over nothing. Also happened to my dad once, was facing 70 years but was proven innocent. I'm hoping to somehow sue the police who beat me up and lied about my charges, but the justice system in mexico is trash, everything is so corrupt
0 likesand ironically: it can happen to anyone.
1 likeIt ruins people’s lives.
0 likesI feel like I would start crying in the interview room
0 likesI been through that nightmare, unfortunately.
0 likesAYOOOOOO
0 likesIt really is. I get very mad when the cops say we know you did this. Scary.
0 likesKung fu 🥋
0 likesWhen he world need him most, he disappeared
0 likesThis is the problem in the US 'guilty until proven innocent' it doesn't exist as that level in other coutries.
0 likesIt definitely is!!!!
0 likesbecause i grew up in a household where I was constantly lied on and accused of shit I didn’t do and was constantly physically and emotionally abused in punishment and discipline,,, to this day I’m 30 and still have nightmares and mental issues due so,,,
What is going on. I swear ranton watches all the same things as me
0 likesAmong us
0 likesYUP!!!!!!!
0 likesmakes you want to take revenge on the prosecutors, detectives, witnesses and the judges family for ruining your life...
0 likesBeen there
0 likesyes
0 likesPretty common occurrence tbh
0 likesBeen there and yes it is terrifying especially when your lawyer is on the same side as the prosecutor and telling you to take a plead deal never did that got to trial and they had no evidence
0 likesSeeing YouTubers I'm subbed to commenting on videos I like is fun lol
0 likesThis is why you should no comment no matter what do not give them a single thread to clamp onto and always refuse a voluntary interview they are looking to pin stuff on you.
0 likesTruly hopeless feeling
0 likesIt's something that really makes you think hard about the power we give to such a flawed system. One bad day and your life is gone.
0 likesPls upload
0 likesThis happened to my Dad unfortunately:(
0 likesEspecially when the justice system in your country sucks. My mom was sued for “attacking someone” when she was the one attacked and she lost the case.
0 likes"I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE!"
0 likesRANTONI PEPPERONI🌶️🌶️🌶️!!! <3 <3
0 likesThis is the same reaction I have in Among Us as a crewmate when I get accused of being sus, probably just x100
0 likesIts personally relatable when he says the man is very tolerant of this accusative behaviour. this year I got sent to prison for something I didnt do, when I was being interviewed I should have been less reserved and should have voiced my concern but I was tired as fuck after being kept in custody for a long time
0 likes@Caleb Humberston Same here, its so fucked up cause it can ruin your future career and some people treat you different cause you spent time in prison
0 likesYo my boy
0 likesI was arrested, interrogated and set for trial for a crime that I didn’t commit. It took over a year for the court to realise. Was the worse year of my life.
0 likesI wonder how many have been wrongfully executed. I remember there was a guy who had a mental age of 6 and didn't understand what was happening to him at all, Joe Arridy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy
0 likesThere was also Cameron Todd Willingham https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham, it's not accepted by the authorities that he was innocent but a film was made about him, demonstrating the flaws in the prosecution's theory.
@Tom Aldred I'm so sorry that that happened to you. "You might beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride" as they say.
0 likesRantoni Ravioli when is knew video coming? Ich brauche antworten.
0 likesBlack man
0 likesNothing new
Yep I'm 22, and got charged with 25years penalty charge I had no idea with. Now I'm on bail awaiting trial.
0 likesShao Lin Monk
0 likesIn 2012 I was being accused and held in custody for 3 days because someone had told the police I planned to shoot up a school....And I'm a grown man that was not even in school back then. I had no relations to that school whatsoever. It was a horrible experience! I don't even know who came up with those allegetions against me, or why...The police said something had been posted on my Facebook page, but neither the police or me could find it. I had most certainly not wrote anything on Facebook, it was just something someone said. Maybe someone had hacked my Facebook, written something and then deleted it, but I really don't know to this day what caused it....When this happened I had just woke up and was about take my dog out for a walk. When I was ready to go outside, a SWAT team stormed my house, threw me to the ground and handcuffed me. I have never been so confused in my life...
0 likesThree times in five years between the ages of 17-22. Did jail time two of those times. Growing up on the street you see cops do all sorts of stuff normal people couldn't imagine. Twenty years ago back when we didn't have camera phones. The justice system is for protecting money not people.
0 likeseven in school lol
0 likes@Dingus Dongle I actually can't remember what video I started on
0 likesI swear to god it's one of my biggest fears. It happened to me when I was a kid and when I was finally proven innocent I cried so much.
0 likesMe rn smh
0 likesBeen there
0 likesBeing charged for a crime I did commit is also nightmare fuel
0 likesI am soooooo bad at fibbing even iff I get done with somet I ain't done I still act like am guilty don't no why..and av Ben dragged in for a robbery and a burglary I was like.look I didn't do them I did the theft but not them he said well you.did a robbery 2 years ago I said yes I plead guilty but only 2 been there I did not commit any robbery
0 likesI have been accused of something that was as far-fetched as my mind could comprehend. I have never been in trouble with the law in my LIFE (and am in my 50’s).
0 likesI got it straightened out very quickly…but the probable is you feel “dirty” afterward like perhaps your family or friends don’t believe you. Just having your name associated with something it’s like you cannot shake the stigma. Nightmare indeed, considering I was fortunate.
As someone who's been locked up for something that I legit didn't do...I can personally testify that in America, it's definitely guilty until proven innocent! It's all up to the judge if they believe you or not. Fortunately enough, in my case. There was no evidence to support the defences theory. And the judge was honest enough with himself that he had to let me go. But a lot of people aren't that lucky.
0 likesI've watched this video before but I came back because I think about this case a lot. He's such a sweet man who never lost his cool, even when he knew the interrogator was lying straight to his face. I feel so bad for him and I'm glad he got money but he should have never gone to jail, not for 3 days and especially not when the actual criminal looked the furthest from what he looked like. Just another case that shows how awful and racist the justice system is. I hope he's doing well now
0 likesThe thing is, it seems to me like it does make sense for detectives to use bluffs like that and really strong, forceful, adamant rejections of professions of innocence to try to get a confession when it’s a situation in which they do actually have an abundance of evidence. But to use that on every single person that you bring in for questioning, which a lot of these guys seem to do, even in situations in which there is absolutely no solid evidence, seems to me to be not just cruel and unnecessary but also potentially counterproductive for themselves at a certain point. I’d think it might make innocent individuals who might otherwise be inclined to be cooperative and offer potentially helpful information decide that, as a concrete, rigid rule, the only thing that ever makes sense to do with police is to refuse to interact in any way.
0 likesDude, I understand a cop's job is hard. You have a lot to deal with. I'm glad they're there when the chips are down.
1 likeI am also glad when follow through is had on their mistakes. Like when you don't notate that you're looking for a white, average height guy and wind up with a brown, tall guy. You deserve a demotion, you deserve pay being stripped. I get it, I get it, you're under a lot of strain. But so is the guy you're about to sentence who did nothing wrong, facing a sentence for years, possibly a decade. I can sit alright with a cop being demoted for a while over this mistake than some guy being sentenced to prison for years.
They should re-open every single case that this “detective” worked.
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Seriously he’s disgusting .. that lack of effort and amount of arrests they want to meet ** just leads to innocent people going to jail
1481 likes@Minyon No such quota exists for detectives. Sometimes a bad cop is just a bad cop, no circumstances to justify.
400 likes@james alexander you’re right , there isn’t a quota so wrong choice of words but they seem to feel the need to just arrest people and half do their jobs for whatever reason .. there are too many bad cops and these situations don’t need to be overlooked like they’re small incidents . These people should be fired
262 likes@Minyon I assume they develop (or maybe already possessed) a sense of dissonance—they tend to deal with scumbags virtually 24/7 and that can get jading, especially when you have to watch them walk away over and over again due to a lack of or contaminated evidence. The moment that occurs though, they need to leave the force because they can no longer hold themselves as the impartial bodies that their work requires them to be.
117 likesGreat idea seriously.
12 likesCorrupt cops. That's the problem. Cops using illegal tactics to get a false confession. And get this: THEY'RE REWARDED FOR SUCH "ACHIEVEMENT." They're encouraged to use illegal tactics. That's the problem.
136 likes@Minyon it's big business ... the jail system. They intentionally find ways to lock up innocent people. And cops or the system .... if you're pissed that I know the truth, come find me.
46 likes@Zach Helm I know .... but the problem is ... who authorized that in the first place?? Every American should protest that sh!t and make the lawmakers make it right. I mean come on!
26 likesAnd get this: when after all is done, and the locked up man is found innocent after spending mknths, years in jail, nothing happens to anyone responsible for that injustice. If it was up to me, the cops responsible would be hung.
@Zach Helm This was in canada
19 likes@james alexander no officially, but as detectives they're required to have an output just like any other jobs. Like it was mentioned in the video, getting the a suspect to admit guilt if a crime without evidence is a point to get a promotion.
26 likesNot all jobs are supposed to be treated as jobs. That includes cops, military, and doctors.
@Themazeful kind of. Its definitely a feather in their cap to be able to get a confession. However, most police managers I have worked with would not consider a confession completely unsupported by evidence to be useful. The officer had no reason to pursue a confession when the call out description an eye witness accounts would have excluded the suspect immediately. As I said earlier, its just bad policing. There are many "poor" police practices we could discuss, but in this case I believe the problem was with the person and not any sort of policy or practice.
8 likes@james alexander you have to account that this behaviour is encouraged because of the bad policies. If policies were better, detectives wouldn't be so inclined to try to cater to the reward system they already implemented to get promotions and recognition.
13 likes“he’s just racist”
11 likesNah
1 like@Rule ya they should
2 likesSeriously a piece of work
2 likes@james alexander eyo we should ask him "so why did you do it"
0 likes@Emma i see what you're saying but i don't think that's the case here;
0 likesThere's phony gangsters and phony cops. when you're legit, you're legit #iykyk
Real eyes
Realize
Real lies
@Decency Counts it's sad because this guy's should've never been a cop, like a doctor who just wants Dr pay but don't care about ppl. This guy just wants power&prestige
6 likes@Decency Counts systems are in place for a reason, the heart of the matter is a matter of the heart. And problem is the people on both sides that manipulate the system to fulfill the wickedness in their individual heart. Say i'm wrong or prove me right
0 likes100%
0 likesCan anyone identify the officer?
2 likes@Minyon Exactly how many bad cops are there?
2 likes@Jesus Isn'tReal I'm simply saying ... the police union has advocated for and changed the system so much that detectives are basically untouchable. I don't know about you ... but i don't like taking it in the rear by the system as an American.
4 likesDemoted and suspended? How about 3 days in GenPop of a level 4.
3 likes@Steve Wynn Exactly. The damn system is so broken, it's beyond ridiculous. Cops or detectives can wreck a man's life ... but after all done & said and the man turns out innocent ... the crap head detective gets a suspension, nothing more. And then they take him out for beer, laugh about how funny it was that he threw an innocent man in jail for X years .....
4 likes@james alexander No explicit quota, but certainly if you extract a confession without evidence and are promoted, there is an implicit quota reward system.
1 likePicture the lack of involvement of the average worker in any field.
2 likesNow apply that to the average policeman.
acab
0 likesI get the feeling he is just a racists.
1 likeBut i dont know XD
Yepppp
1 like@Decency Counts I should note that this list may not be in order since the number of flaws I had to point out is large enough to the point at which I just missed some, then went back over to get them. The space between the notes means I'm talking about a different comment you made.
1 like- the tactics used were not illegal and an American supreme court case said that lying during interview is legal
- the "jail" system (correctly known as the prison system) is not run at a profit
- i think finding you would be a waste of time
- lawmakers get to make the law because their job is to make the law
- most cops or prosecutors actually lose their jobs, check the Andrew Mallard case and how those officers lost their jobs
- it's spelt "hanged" if it's related to the suspending of a person via a noose by the neck, hung is for other things
- so when a police officer makes a mistake and charges a person, and a prosecutor puts them in court, and a jury finds them guilty, and they're later exonerated (often due to honest mistakes) it's appropriate to kill government members? If that was to be law, the police wouldn't charge people with crimes out of fear of being the victim of a state-sponsored lynching
- police unions don't change the system, they generally just try to find more space in the place they're in so that they can police more effectively
- detectives get fired and demoted all the time, the officer in this case was demoted, meaning he was not untouchable
- I don't think you "take it in the rear" by the justice system
- cops can wreck a man's life, but only because they enforce the criminal justice system, who are really the ones who are wrecking a life
- detectives don't get a massive penalty because they made a mistake at their work. the stakes are higher, but things happen
- I have never heard of a case of police culture in which the police find locking a person up for a time as funny, typically it's something that isolates you from everyone else in the police
@Jesus Isn'tReal you mean prime minister. hamilton ontario is in canada.
0 likes@Decency Counts as an american it is sweet to see how worked up you are about a canadian case of false arrest.
0 likes@Arthena's Magick Oh, a Canadian case, huh ...
1 likeThen I guess you're trying to infer that the cops here in America don't use such criminal tactics to get false confessions.
Keep supporting our broken police system. Maybe you'll be Chief of 'Polease' one day. 😁
@Tyler Durden Thank you very much for that link!
0 likesWell it could be one of the two:
0 likes1- He is lazy and just wants to close the case, even if it meant arresting an innocent person.
2- He is in with the robbery.
RIGHT
0 likes@CadenJames Clearly. The witness to the crime said it was a short white guy.
0 likes@Decency Counts .....Not sure about the hanging but at least jai time!
0 likes@Decency Counts None of what you said matters at all. Just baseless assumptions with no actual counter argument. You just come off as someone who only comments to justify your own beliefs or to get a ego boost, not to change minds or expand your own, but what do I know? Not a lot, but when it comes to me or Bear Marco? Neither do you. So instead of basically just saying “I’m right you’re wrong and nothing you say matters because I’m right.” Instead use a counter argument/insult idk I’m bored 😐
0 likes@Gaming Dolphin Good. Be bored. It's not my job to entertain you.
1 likeBut ... people like you.. when you say you're bored, the truth is that you're hurt by some comments. In this case, my comments sliced into your ego, and you're hating it.
Again, glad you found my comments worthy of responding to. I mean, I think I make a lot of sense. You might not like it ... but your hurt feelings is not my problem.
@Bear Marco 'the tactics used were not illegal'
0 likesI think, I believe many others think, that starting an interview, and persisting: 'I know you did it, that's not even up for debate' when that's not true....
....is highly dubious, I don't think the Supreme Court ruled on that specifically and I doubt they'd approve of it.
Then you say Police Unions JUST push for more space to police better. Sorry but that's highly questionable, and of lower quality than most of your other points. Police Unions have supported colleagues and ex colleagues involved in bad practice and resisted effective long term responses. A blood is thicker than water, we should hang together approach has on occasions clouded their judgement. As a Union they are not independent arbiters of their members professional conduct, have not been legislated into such a role, and ought to recuse themselves from such misconduct considerations.
I really feel like why do we even trust this government of they can't make Changes in law's like this.
2 likesHe shouldn't only be fired but have to pay financially and publically and lose every benefit and deemed unfit for any public position of trust.
1 likeEvery. Single. One.
0 likesBeing wrongfully accused of a criime is my biggest fear
2 likesHonestly so much pity for those falsely accused, and so angry at the system for putting them through this.
1 likeDude
2 likesI’m not gonna lie
I was having a good Saturday
But this was depressing af holy
I felt so hard for these two
"Getting a confession with no evidence is a mark of merit"
2 likes👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿👿
Never speak to the police without a lawyer, even if you're innocent.
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And these nitwits are volunteering to show up and talk.
112 likesSome countries don’t even have the right to legal representation so you either have to pay for a lawyer yourself (which you may not be able to afford) or (where I live) qualify for legal aid and be given a lawyer. Otherwise you will remain unrepresented.
277 likesWhat if I have an alibi? Why wait for a lawyer?
30 likes@Mr. X Because "Everything you say can and WILL be used against you" is an understatement. Off-hand remarks and accidental slips, even if they carry literally zero meaning to you can be stretched and interpreted in any way the prosecution/police wants. Lawyers are trained to avoid making these mistakes and are able to build you a nice and clean script that will ensure you don't give away anything that may be weaponized against you or incriminate you.
446 likes@Mike G Some people try to be honest.... and we get labeled guilty if we lawyer up.... You see both sides.....
53 likes@Javito they’re not under arrest they volunteered to go in, so lawyering up isn’t relevant
5 likes@Mike G And go to jail
2 likes@Midnight Video go to jail? Do you not understand that they haven’t been arrested ?
2 likesActually, in France, you have right to a lawyer and a doctor, take both.
57 likesThe lawyer won't do much, but that's anyway some relief, and maybe a bit of help.
Take the doctor too, even if you have nothing: then, if the police beats you or any other way harms you, they won't be able to pretend it happened before they got you (as you have a medical certificate stating you were ok).
ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE INNOCENT. NEVER TALK.
49 likesas many good officers there are, many police officers are just there to blame it on the first person they find, close case and move on.
Bro.. especially if you're innocent :D
9 likes@Midnight Video I rewatched this and you’re right. I was basing my comment on several other interrogations on this channel and assumed the same here. My bad.
5 likes@Mike G You really missed the part about him spending 3 1/2 days in jail didn't you? Maybe watch the actual video before commenting. Whether they went in voluntarily is inconsequential, when the cop says "we know you're guilty" (I'm paraphrasing) You immediately say "I want a lawyer", but if you're smart... you do it way before then, and I'm not just talking about this case. You don't leave your fate in the hands of a broken system and some cops you hope are decent human beings. You thought that because somebody goes in voluntarily, they can't or won't be arrested? That's a big ole facepalm.
13 likesIt's good that you owned up to your error, but.... yikes.
@Mike G Mistake number one. Never go with the police with out a Lawyer. I'm actually pretty pro-cop.
6 likesBut it's common sense, many will lie. They are people too, or they are just so zealous and convinced they got their man. It also doesn't help that promotions can be heavily based on performance reviews that include number of people charged/arrested so it can incentivize bad people.
As soon as you are being questioned it's you versus them. No matter how good you think they may or may not be. It's smarter to have a witness, rather than battle it alone vs an entire police department.
@HauntingSpectre agreed, except that he was arrested. Can’t wait to an attorney if under arrest
2 likes@Dayspring “you thought because somebody goes in voluntarily that can’t or won’t be arrested “
1 likeHuh? Not at all. I commented that they should NEVER volunteer to go in..period. Why would you think that I thought that??
@Mike G Even being arrested, you only have to give minimal details.
6 likesEven the Military taught us that. "If the media (or cops) ask you anything. You give them name, rank, and direct them to someone paid to speak to them.
You don't get paid to speak. So shut up and let the person who does do it".
Applies to cops too, except date of birth, address are also required. Wait till the attorney shows up to answer anything further.
@HauntingSpectre where did I say you should speak to police? Read my comments. I have comment d multiple times not to ever speak to police. Maybe your comment was meant for someone else?
1 like@This Random Dude I would have to say your statement is 100 per cent correct.
1 likeLol. "Never speak to the police without a lawyer, even if you're innocent." Well lookie there.. "Don't Talk to the Police" video is suggested on the left.. It's a very eye opening explanation why you don't talk to the cops. Which is very surprising, because I would just want to clear my name.
1 like@My new channel yup. You have to actually state that you are using your right to remain silent and want to speak to a lawyer and then stfu or they can say your silence is an admission of guilt.
2 likes*Especially if you're innocent
0 likesEverything is recorded, I would like once face this kind of fake "cop" to put him in his place!
0 likesUnless you’re a victim, then yeah
0 likesespecially if you are innocent
3 likes....yes...But make sure that that lawyer isn't buddy buddy with the police or your enemies!!.
2 likes@Mr. X never speak to police without an attorney. They lie for a living, get someone to talk for you that also lies for a living who recognizes it.
3 likesPeriod
0 likesTHIS SO MUCH THIS!
0 likes@Mr. X because they’re more concerned with closing the case than with catching the right person.
0 likes"Especially" if you're innocent
1 like@Mr. X If you say "I was with my girlfriend for 2 hours", and you were actually with her for 3, that's something they will use against you, and it will probably be enough to "prove" your guilt.
2 likesThis is bad advice. Never talk to police. There fixed.
3 likes@Mr. X Is that a serious question? Because I know of a 17 minute video answering your exact question, genius.
0 likes@Stephen A Dude, if I can say 'I was at office at that time, and 10 people can testify', why would I pay 300 USD for a lawyer that can only tell them the exact same thing?
0 likes@Jeremy Tines What if my home was burglarized?
0 likes@Mr. X there was an unwritten assumption you are not the one reporting the crime. But given police only solve 13% of burglaries, talking then won't help much either.
0 likesUnless you are rich enough to hire a genuinely competent and motivated private lawyer, the public defender will function as part of the prosecutor's office. A mediocre private attorney will take your house to help you loose.
0 likes100% never ever talk to cops no comment lawyer up and let them take over
1 likeESPECIALLY if you're innocent.
0 likesdam right Dan, no comment all the way brother xbxx
0 likesTrue. But if say a murder or rape of a loved one is at issue, you risk making them double down on you because you “Lawyered up.” and not going after the real perpetrator(s).
0 likes@Mr. X there is a talk by a lawyer on youtube, you can find it as "Don't ever talk to the police"
1 like@Botond Hetyey I've seen that video many times and it's entertaining, but polemic and not to be taken at face value.
0 likesEspecially if you are innocent. If you are guilty, there will invariably be more evidence. Which means you are more likely to be convicted with or without blabbing. If you don’t blab, aspects can be less clear, and all that. So don’t talk. But if you did, it would not necessarily change nearly as much as if there was no true proof because you are actually innocent. The point being if you are innocent the probability of good evidence is inherently lower. And if so, your silence protects you even better, because you aren’t helping them to construct any evidence or narratives based upon your testimony.
0 likesEspecially if your innocent
0 likesPeriod.
0 likes@Kassassin Prawn So I shouldn't report a burglary because a cop could think I'm the perfect victim for closing his open cases? Don't be so jaded.
0 likes@Kassassin Prawn In the USA you mean? Greatest country in the world!
0 likes@Mr. X that's not what they said, but sure, show us how you failed grade 3 reading comprehension.
0 likesyou should report burglaries and stolen property if you want to, but don't expect cops to do anything for you once they get an arrest. they caught the criminal, that's all they care about
in cases where you are brought in for questioning due to being a witness, or even if a cop stops you on the street, that's when you don't speak unless you have a lawyer. if you're not being detained, in the USA at least, you have a right to silence. in my country, sadly you have to talk, but you can be protected from unrelated criminal charges in your testimonies, with certain exceptions.
any slip of words, any lack of alibi, and/or any conflicting evidence will make you a suspect, no matter how innocent you actually are. because they can and will use any information you say against you, and only against you.
I smell a civil suit.
0 likes@Bruh facts
1 likeBetter Call Saul!
0 likes@Mike G Micheal was not go there voluntarily he was arrested at gun point
0 likes@Mr. X You have to watch this lecture on youtube called "Don't talk to the police" by the Regent University school of law. It's amazing, and you'll never feel the need to talk to the police without a lawyer ever again.
0 likesESPECIALLY if you’re innocent
0 likes@PoisonTheOgres I've seen the whole video like 4+ times and it is entertaining and informative, still I would talk to police to tell them I have an alibi.
0 likesESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE INNOCENT!!!!
0 likes@Javito attaining a lawyer won't convict you as guilty, saying something stupid will
0 likesIf You're Guilty You need a Lawyer.
0 likes@Old Man Bacala guess again
0 likes@Mr. X because that term "will be used AGAINST you" means what it says. Anything you say to a police officer / investigator that could be used as your defense, wil ultimately remain discarded until YOUR lawyer obtains that information.
0 likesYou need to understand something important, when you are arrested, you have just become a player in a very serious game. Only issue is, you have been raised to trust our judicial system, you've been tought by society that cops are the good guys. And they are, but only up until you are pitted against them in this game of absolute ridiculousness.
For Christ sakes, we look up to a grown ass adult who wears a black bath robe to work, where he plays with a tiny wooden mallet?? Plus the worst possible aspect of this game is that if there is no video evidence, no DNA, no figer prints, no actual evidence at all, your oponite, (the prosecution) will revert back to the worst, most unreliable sources possible. And the public will see these lie detector test results, or eye whiteness testimony, jail house snetches, shoe print analysis, clothing analysis, and many many more things we humans have used as long back as when we murdered people for witchcraft, as the most solid and daming evidence ever. Who needs to be positive when ole Beth Barns saw his silhouette jump the fence 4days before the crime ever took place, right? No, i mean we dont need to take a long hard look at how we run our society and judicial system, not at all, the only thing we update is our computers OS to ensure that we can store more ridiculously wacked out bullshit we call fact / reality.
Great advice.
0 likesIf you can afford one. And don't even mention a public defender, they'll just try to convince you to take a plea deal.
0 likesEspecially if you're innocent.
0 likes*especialy
0 likes@Javito remember the police wants to give u the feeling of being labelb guilty. So dont talk without ur lawayer
0 likes@Mike G the ethnic dude was arrested did u not watch the video ? They didn’t volunteer for anything
0 likesEspecially if your innocent
0 likes@This Random Dude You should watch the Michael Drejka interview/interrogation. If he would've lawyered up he probably wouldn't have gotten in any trouble. It happened in Florida with very relaxed gun laws. He's serving 20 years for manslaughter because they systematically broke down everything he said to the detectives and used it all against him. In all honesty it wasn't a "justified shooting" in my opinion but with a slick mouthpiece at his side he could've walked.
0 likes@Mr. X Bro. They are saying that you can talk to the cops if you are the victim of the case. But if the cops accused you and you know that you are innocent, then don't talk to the cops and never say anything to the police without a lawyer. Proving your innocents should be done in court not in police interrogations because in a police interrogations, what you say will used against you in court.
0 likesbetter call saul
0 likesI agree. And I know it makes you look guilty but it is scary if you think they are trying to nail you.
0 likesIronically this is exactly why i cant take alot of these interrogation psychology videos seriously. Detectives are just as stupid if not stupider than some of the suspects, especially when the person they're questioning is innocent.
2 likesthe amount of relief I felt when they said the involved officers were demoted and suspended without pay. They make all cops look bad and I feel a little bit of faith in humanity restored.
1 likeI just want to say that im really happy to find this channel. You can learn so much about people's behavior this is cool 😎
0 likesI am so glad there was a happy ending to Michael’s story that detective is a pos. I feel for Justin though
2 likesHearing the police officer lying to Micheal is the most frustrating thing ever. It brings me such joy that Micheal got paid and the Police Officers involved were demoted, as they absolutely should have been.
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Satisfying for sure.
52 likesFired is more like it, "small white man", how the fuck
277 likesIt's still tremendously frustrating to me because nothing has remotely changed about the overall system. Those cops are still incentivized to be scumbags, and there is no real justice.
141 likesHow many people are wrongfully imprisoned? Including people who are "Guilty" but only because laws are bs?
How long until we change society to meet the needs of the poor?
Those cops should’ve been fired and imprisoned not demoted
112 likesLove it.
7 likesThey should have been fired they clearly can't even read a criminals description!
48 likessadly, money will never be able to make up for what people like them have to go through
12 likes@Roplex And their bosses twice longer, including ones at the top. If system sucks, the only way to fix is to cut the head off.
16 likesDid you know that police are allowed to lie during interrogation?
42 likesStill deserved to be fired because how dafuq did you confuse the small white guy with a tall black guy?
Now look up how many people this shit ends up happening to and ask yourself if cops manage to do shit this messed up THIS often, why it's imperative to defund them. Take the confidence away from them and make them work for the people while using the newly found money for social programs for better rehabs, better education systems and mental health resources.
18 likesThey should have been fired. Workers in so many job fields would be fired on the spot for so much less. They get, relatively, very special treatment. For no reason whatsoever.
15 likesOnly in Canada...
1 likeThat cop should get the jail time they tried to give to him
9 likesThat malicious officer should be locked up
4 likes“Saw you on video camera”
4 likesNO THE FUCK YOU DID NOT
I know, right? If there is something that makes me furious, it is false accusations or asking me to admit something I didn't do.
1 likeDemoted? They should have been investigated, lost their jobs, gone to court, and served years for this type of bullshit. I can guarantee this is not the first time they've engaged in that behavior, and it's not going to be the last.
9 likesThey should have been imprisoned for twice as long as he tried to give that man
3 likesMe, too.
1 likeThose police officers should be send to prison for at minimun 10 years, anything below this isnt justice at all
3 likes@Roplex agreed those cops needs to be imprisoned FOR LIFE not only are they're not doing their job(his job is to keep people safe and arrest the real culprit but that is not what's happening here) they wasted valuable time that should be used into catching the culprit THE REAL CULPRIT and now the real culprit is probably still out there roaming freely and gets to do whatever the hell they want AND IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT honestly this world would be better off without people like them
3 likesThe phrase “implicit and overt biases” come to mind
0 likesFinally some good news
0 likesI wish the cops had to serve the same time he did.
2 likes@Sam Scribner no, here in the USA as well. Sadly
0 likesThat cop needs to be fired. How many people took plea deals or went to jail because of his incompetence.
2 likesThat's awesome to hear!
0 likesDEMOTED? WHY NOT FIRED?
2 likesAbsolutely ridiculous that they don't face prosecution for their actions, given their power and position. This goes beyond incompetence or laziness, and it wasnt a mistake. It was malicious.
0 likes@Dang Grimbus The prison industrial complex must be destroyed as well as the disbanding of police unions and qualified immunity.
0 likes@Dang Grimbus no one will ever serve the needs of the poor. Slavery still exists, you get paid money instead of food. But you still have to do something you don't want to do, for someone else's gain, just so you can feed your family. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE
1 likeMost people do not realize that police officers are incentivized financially on the basis of arrests and convictions. Police departments determine promotion potential on the aforementioned principles. Let's not forget that promotions generally equal higher pay, rank, and authority. Meaning these incentives often times result in the corruption of justice. On top of that public defender's receive thier salaries from the State which for all intents and purposes represents a conflict of interest between the defendant and the state.
0 likesHe went off easy
0 likesNgl, they should have fired those officers and ban them from having a job.
1 likeEight years later, though! And he got out on bail, but was investigated for MONTHS. I'm surprised any of the people on the bus could recall anything about him by the time they actually got around to interviewing them, but they did and that's when they finally dropped him as a suspect.
0 likesAnd during those years at least one of the two officers had been promoted! AND he still maintained (in 2011) that Michael probably was guilty...
This is so not satisfying and it's like the best case scenario.
(For some worst case ones, see Serial season 3. It's so, so good.)
The cops involved should have been fired, at a minimum.
0 likesTruthfulness ain’t in the job description.
0 likesGetting people to incriminate themselves is tho. Truth not required.
All they have to do is get you to court or in a cell and the financial weight of the justice system will handle the rest.
@lunachick613 88 Considering how absurdly different the description is from their "suspect" it makes you wonder which is worse: that they were racially profiling him, or that they were so lazy that they decided to frame the first person they saw.
0 likes@Sext Empiric that would be the legislature. bad laws allow this abuse.
0 likesHonestly, detectives like this should be held accountable by taking back the money they got for that case. Or charging a % of fine off their pay. A very satisfactory ending indeed.
0 likesEdit: because this is not a misunderstanding or a mistake of missing evidence, this is literally negligence of evidence.
This is so sad, how could the investigator say that he has CCTV footage when he actually does not have ?
0 likesThis happened to me when my friend's neighbor's house was burged. Detective had me in interrogation for apx. 4 hours, telling me the evidence was"overwhelming" and almost there same bs, how it "wasn't about my guilt or innocence, but why I did it?".. LOL. I asked," am I being charged?, am I under arrest?, So then I'm free to go?".. When the Detective said I was free to go, I left. They wanted me to go a polygraph, I told them gfy's after the bs harassment they spent all day spewing lies, trying to get me to admit to something I was innocent of. And intensely. They seriously tried getting me to take the fall for some idiot neighbor's nephew, who was found pawning some jewelry a few weeks later. From that day, I'll never talk to a moron detective without an attorney, regardless what for. Law enforcement couldn't care less for the general well-being of non-relative citizens/members of the community. Meaning, they will collude in abusing you, traumatizing you, disregarding your God given constitutional rights, and trying to secure false confessions. If you trust them, it means you're related to one and You're most likely a hypocrite and think you're better than everyone. Gross
10 likesWow! So YouTube can allow for highly inappropriate and controversial videos to be uploaded and seen by any age group but something that is educational and elicits conversation gets deleted. I’m so confused, I feel like YouTube is ‘parenting’ it’s user. Let me decide if I want to watch these videos
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yes
0 likesExactly. Sick of government and companies making decisions for me and banning stuff
0 likesGod, imagine being this guy, turned his life around, working hard and a single person nearly ruined his entire life. 2 years lost for simply existing, unreal
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i think you misunderstood. he served 2 years for a crime he DID do, then he turned his life around and was accused for this and was found innocent
42 likes@Leah Hall at the beginning of Justin’s segment he literally says “ he is unaware that he is about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years”. So yes he lost two years of his life over nothing. Not counting the crime he committed and was rightfully imprisoned for in his early twenties.
219 likesGet rekt Leah
45 likes@Mele Hafoka says Mele
3 likesI think that you and 6 other people misunderstood....
4 likes@Nobody's Business I wonder how much money he got as compensation. The other guy got 46 000$ only for three days. If you get 46k$ for 3 days for wrong accusation then for 2 years you should get 11 193 333 $.
19 likes@Milan Borizovski well the other guy was from Canada. In the US that guy probably got an "ooopsie" and that's it.
29 likes@Leah Hall I don't think you actually watched the video Leah.
9 likes@ZebraJess92 Yes, but the case with Steven Avery in the documentary series "Making A Murderer"? He spent 18 YEARS in prison and proved innocent with help of DNA test.
6 likesHe was supposed to get 36 million $ compensation for those 18 years. And what they did?...watch the series I don't want to ruin it, it is a must see.
@Milan Borizovski
7 likes*SPOILER*
If you guys want to know how much he got instead, here it is...
$400,000.
@Lord Sir 😐
1 like@Cristina Florina bruh how is that even legal
5 likes@Lord Sir Leah can go back to the kitchen if you go back to the garage
0 likes@Wolfish Bear this guy is a liar
3 likes@Milan Borizovski probably nothing if he didn’t mention it sadly, I wish he had an update for this one.
0 likes@Cristina Florina He was blamed for another couple of murders right after filing the complaint.
0 likes@ZebraJess92 lmao, the US is the most litigious society in history, if the US guy sued he can probably get millions.
1 like@Leah Hall 3 years
0 likes@ZebraJess92 just like with “friendly fire” Their allies were more afraid of accidentally getting shot by the Americans than the Taliban and some refused to train with them without learning and implementing the same safety measures of the ally.
0 likes@Leah Hall Nope. He served time for a crime before but then he left it behind and became a hard working guy. After all that he was wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years for a crime he didn't commit.
1 like@Leah Hall "turned his life around" Yet he did mention this.
0 likesWhy the constsnt ' turned his life around' preaching? That phrase sounds conspicuous and shady.
0 likesNobody deserves false imprisonment.
@Leah Hall not what was said.
0 likesThe vid said he was incarceratedwronfully for 2 yesrs for THIS, presumably awaiting trial, before itwasdetermined he'd bern deliberately falsely accused.
Maybe it's you who misunderstand.
And the45 others who approved the confusion enough to hit like for your erroneous claim.
@Jarret Berenson if youre talking to Leah Hall the likes are up to 45 now 🥶
0 likes@Cristina Florina STOP LYING!!! 😍
0 likes@Mechros 😭😱🥶😓😫😤💔💔💔💔💔
0 likesHow scary and heartbreaking is it that this actually happens more often then you think and people get wrongfully imprisonment when they are innocent 😔
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So what are you gonna do about it? I'm not trying to take a shot at you btw I'm seriously asking. You obviously recognize that this is a problem, so I'm asking.. are you gonna try to stop it from happening again?
0 likesGlad to hear the ruling at the end. What a relief for this guy, and for regular people watching this.
0 likesThis is so infuriating. Some of these detectives don’t care if you’re innocent or not, they see you as a criminal no matter what
0 likesI would like to see proof that this type of interrogation actually working because it's pretty aggravating watching law abiding citizens have to work through the verbal wizardry that is employed. How many innocent people are behind bars just because a cop or a lawyer is incentivized to do this crap.
1 likeI almost cried when the white guy with the beard was talking about how he was working on improving and changing past behaviors, then freaking out when he realized he couldn’t do anything to convince them that they got the wrong guy. It’s like he was taking huge steps forward, only to be dragged back down.
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no lie💀 i could feel bros emotion through every single pixel on my screen
375 likesRight! Straight from work to ya moms house, not you in prison cause somebody lied.
125 likes@Lo TheGreat plus hes been to jail before so its even worse that they’re trying to send him back
142 likes@Charles Guillergan all 12 of them
20 likesI have a cousin who has been in and out of jail, has recently nearly died for overdosing, I have no idea where his life will go after he recovers, but I do hope nothing like this happens to him, not when he has at least taken the steps to become a better person.
44 likesI empathized with him too. My gut feeling was he was being truthful. He did not come across as someone who can be that evil to act that well.
26 likesIt's messed up how police treat former felons. My bro in law has been to prison but has change completely. He has a great job, house, and takes care of his family. Whenever he sees certain police that have arrested him over several years ago they automatically stop him to try to catch him in something. It's crazy!!
48 likesZoe Quinn needs jail time
2 likes12:32
5 likesThe prison industry preys on people and are funneled in by law enforcement. 2 years of his life in prison on someone's word, and his situation was relatively lucky.
12 likesIt’s almost like all that effort to becoming a better person was for nothing
4 likesThere’s only two questions that should be asked. Am I under arrest? Or am I free to go? If you’re under arrest, ask for a lawyer.
8 likesSame, I cried out when, in introducing him, it said he didn’t know he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years.
6 likes@Blue Fox I love you both
3 likes@Blitz_1337 The effort is never wasted, even if he is wrongfully treated, he is a better man and that's something that no one can take from him. It's always worth it to work on yourself
7 likes“I used to be a piece of shit” we know we fucking know I used to be too
9 likesMichael is such a gentleman. He carries himself well in a stressful situation. If it happens to me i would be the white guy 😂😂😂
8 likesFor real. And to think he got dragged all the way to trial for some woman to lie on the stand. He should sue them for doing that to him.
10 likesThat's exactly what happened, and that's exactly how the system is rigged.
0 likes@Subrina Fisher Especially in the USA. There is no "paying your debt". It is held over you forever. We see ourselves as advanced and progressive...but it is more like Puritan. Many innocent or nearly innocent person can get stitched up here easy. One goes through a process, and being it is a process, most simply assume it is justified. Often it is not.
4 likesidk if this led him back down but sadly he got arrested and sent back to prison after this for something else
2 likesThe judicial system in America doesn't believe in rehabilitation, only punishment. As a result, ex-cons are treated as criminals even after having served their sentence with a public mugshot database etc. making it very easy for anybody to punish you over and over for the mistake. Then because you can't get a job and have a hard time surviving you are slowly but surely dragged back into the life that you're trying to get away from.
9 likes@zenithskull I don't know for sure, but the video makes it sound as if he was wrongly imprisoned for 2 years and THEN was found to be innocent after appeals.
0 likes@zenithskull yeah, I heard it. I was just sharing what my reaction was when I first heard that particular part
0 likesIts unholy 🥶
0 likes@Fuhgit7716 00 and if youre Not under arrest leave?
0 likes@C V what sucks is they probably have Nothing. Certainly not enough to begin to compensate for the 2 YEARS OF LIFE LOST alone.
0 likes@Abradolf Lincler i thought he probably was imprisoned awaiting trial during which the false accusation and his innocence were exposed snd he was freed.
0 likesI can't even watch all of this, it's just too painful. These poor innocent people. I was able to watch the first one, and what a cocky cop.
2 likesJCS should make a video about the criminals who did everything they could to ruin this channel
4 likesCan’t believe he kept his cool that long!!! Very patient. He should have gotten more $$ and a Grammy
3 likesAll detectives should have been investigated. Every single one of their cases should have been reopened.
7 likesThe saddest reality is that there's so many people who aren't as smart and well spoken as him who will crack and fall under pressure in this situation. Fire this detective immediately
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Agreed, but i see them developing a new way to tell if someone are lying or not. probs gonna use some New methods in the future
38 likesImagine a machine that could scan your brain, with inplants or Something. they could see which parts of the brain are active once they ask the suspect questions or smt
Like me , my first job was in bus company and i was accused of stealing the money of the passengers.
97 likesAnd the HR called me and told me i was seen by the supervisor doing such thing, i said i didn't do that and she said " c'mon man you has been seen by him , now assign here please " .
And i kept saying " i didn't do that "
And she said again " just sign please "
And i thought " maybe if I don't assign they will fire me cuz I'm not obedient, i think it's better i respect them and keep my job , i don't care if they think i stole something cuz i know I'm innocent "
Then i assigned the sheet and I left the HR room and one man came to ask me and i said " oh , nothing! They are telling me that i was seen stealing the company but that's no true "
And he asked me " did u assign anything?"
I said " oh yeah but that's okay cuz i don't wanna they think I'm not obedient "
This man got crazy and he asked me " did you steal or not ? I said " i didn't do anything wrong "
And he still upset said " wtf did u assign the paper ? Are you stupid? Now you are confirming you stole the company "
In that moment my eyes opened and i thought " oh shit that's true "
I went to talk to my supervisor and i said " hey man listen, i assigned the paper but i did anything wrong.
He said " if u assigned you confess "
I became so sad 😞😥 and tried to talk to everyone that i could and i was fired without anything.
I was only 18 in that time .
Imprison the detective.
31 likesdid my military time aswell, theyre pathetic
2 likesHey, parents out there, you need to start teaching your kids from the time they are 15 years old -- do NOT talk to the police. Triple true if you are a black boy or black man, but even if you are white. If the cops call you in you IMMEDIATELY ask for a lawyer and say you will not speak without one. Period. You have no obligation to "help the cops out" and there are zillions of videos out there of cops using an innocent man's desire to help to falsely pin a crime on him. DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE.
86 likes@Koolaid Man this is sadly truth, and i respect the law still even as a max ex con. Probably because I was fucking innocent for my crime but I served my time. Not even making this shit up.
10 likesAnnnnd there's literally nothing I can do and its on my record for life now. Ill also add ive had no interations with police in 13 years because Im not a criminal.
2 likesArrest the detective for gross negligence, abuse of power, and deprivation of liberty. Minimum sentence to be what the maximum sentence for suspect would have been. Don't need a trial as his 'innocence is not up for discussion' lol
30 likesThe detective is actually doing his job
1 like@chosenOne deprivation of liberty? How? He wasn’t detained against his will and volunteered to be interrogated when he was told he was free to leave at any time.
0 likesbut but thats their bread n butter income, arresting innocent people and dumping them in jail
0 likes@ACORDA MÉDICO u kinda had it coming for signing random papers
0 likesFunny thing is he was actually promoted sergent. The whole case had to go to court and the detective was adamant until the end that he had the right person. In the end Michael got a pay out of 45+ thousand dollars for the 3 days he spent in jail and the 9 months spent on curfew. That detective guy is a real C U Next Tuesday.
2 likes@Puddin Ok but this is my point. This is not an example of the justice system failing. This is an example of the justice system correcting an error and compensating someone who was incorrectly mistreated.
0 likesOnly week minded people Crack under pressure. How are you gonna let someone say you did something when you didnt...didn't.... especially if it involves going to jail. Couldn't be me
1 like@Joel Haye Not even a 'weak minded' person would admit to doing something that they did not do, no matter how much you claim you have them on video doing it, when they KNOW they did not do it.
2 likesThis tactic only gets guilty people to confess because they think they were caught when in reality they were not.
Happened to me when I was 18. I ended up spending almost 3 months in jail for a crime that not only did I not commit, the crime NEVER HAPPENED. My adopted father had just died, so I moved in with my prodigal (biological) dad. I quickly busted my stepmom cheating on him while he was at work. She kicked me out of the house and called the cops. Said I threatened to blow up the school (I'd been attending for what, maybe a month?!). This was RIGHT after Columbine, though, so the cops all had hard-ons to be heros.
5 likesPut him in prison for all the combined sentences of the innocent people he locked up
1 likeI agreee. I’ve had to go to court as a key witness to something. Just as a witness, being deeply interrogated by both sides was nerve wracking, starting with sworn statements and going to courts that kept going for a couple years. Even though I knew I was innocent, and I was telling the truth for someone else, that shit was not fun.
1 likeMakes me never want to deal with legal stuff again, I’ll just be like nope I saw nothing. I can’t imagine being the one accused. That guy who already went to prison before faced some scary stuff.
@Koolaid Man the problem with that is of this man didn’t talk and give his story how was the good cop ever gonna be able to verify it? I think it’s ok if you are innocent to tell your story and stick to it. Once you tell your story ask for attorney.
0 likes@Loving life NO!! do not do that! You call your attorney FIRST and you tell your attorney your story and how you are innocent under privilege, and then you go into the office with the cop and the lawyer answers all the questions for you. DO NOT TALK TO THE COPS YOURSELF -- it is your lawyer's job to answer for you.
3 likesImagine someone with an IQ of 65 going through this☹️.
3 likes@Koolaid Man that is stupid. Most people can’t afford a private attorney and a court appointed lawyer damn sure isn’t taking your call. He would have sit in there for weeks had he not told his story. If you are innocent there is nothing wrong with sharing your story. So it can be checked and you be set free
1 likeLike what Chris McDonough did to Michael Crowe and his friends.
1 like@ACORDA MÉDICO so how old u have to be for reading lessons in US? Because if I understood well - being 18 years old is still not enough for it :/
1 likeThere was actually a case like this where a guy was threatened by police into a false confession of murder, and did something like 10 years before new evidence came to light that it might actually have been someone else, but every time a new set of investigators asked him to tell the truth he wouldn't because he didn't understand the system and was scared of the possibility of the death penalty.
1 like@seraphale Like Chris Mconough did to teenager Michael Crowe and his friends.
0 likes@BlazeRaz by arresting a tall black man when they’re looking for a short white man?🤔
2 likes@madtabby no, not really. In my country it's illegal to prove or disprove anything using them and it should be the same in your country too
0 likesThis is why you don't talk to the police.
1 like@Michał Krzyżanowski they’re not used in court, that’s illegal (because they’re useless)
1 likeBut the cops come back in, say “you failed the lie detector, you might as well confess!” And after 10-15 hours of badgering, they wear you down.
not just that, the system leaves loop holes they can use to their advantage and noticeably use it against minorities. not all investigators are like this but that doesn’t change the fact that they have advantages so even if they were or weren’t like that they could be and get away with it
1 like@Brandon Merritt Youre studying men? Wtf
0 likesArrest him, not fire. Guy like that only cares about himself and should be in prison.
0 likes@Noah Stephens and put them on lifetime surveillance
0 likeshonestly if i was him i would of been crying and screaming because i’m scared of polices and i would feel uncomfortable being in a room like that with a detective that would keep guilt tripping me into “telling the truth”.
1 likeFire him? Lol he’ll get a slap on the wrist, a week or two paid administrative leave, and he’ll be back on the beat in no time.
0 likes@Brandon Merritt You’re the kinda person who didn’t think human beings would ever be able to fly
0 likes@Mike G he didn’t volunteer though. He was falsely accused and arrested out of nowhere and forced into the interrogation room for questioning about a crime he never committed, and they kept him locked up at the station even though they had no evidence against him. Not only that, Dixon looks nothing like the described perpetrator. The police are absolutely at fault here
1 like@DirtyDog3068 You're saying I'm like Larry from the crypto commercial? "The moon...It's too high!" 😆
0 likesNo, flight is something that undeniably works, and the evidence is undeniable. However, I could convince you that flight is broken. All I need to do is identify a single negative impact that flight has on the world, and insist (or better yet, prove) that a better system of flight can be instituted---one that will avoid perceived pitfalls. Just like that, flight no longer "works" as is.
Whether or not anything works is determined by the criteria and expectations developed by a customer. A toaster that burns bread doesn't work for that customer. A leaky hose doesn't work for that customer. A weak vacuum cleaner doesn't work. Who are the customers of law enforcement, if not the communities served? They surely have a basic expectation that law enforcement officers meant to quell crime will not cause harm to law-abiding members of the community, yet, in the name of quelling crime, they often do just this. In the name of toasting bread, they burn it. It simply doesn't work. Any method or tool of policing that is found to adversely affect members of the community, is a defect. The evidence of this lies in consideration of better systems/tactics/tools that achieve the same outcome while avoiding the pitfalls. Failure to develop and use these tools (and thus, the continuation of dependence upon defective tools) is not a mark against law enforcement professions, rather, it is a mark against humanity, in my eyes. A red mark, and I am living in a world stained red! Everywhere I look, all I see are broken, defective systems and tools, and I wonder why they are broken. Why are they considered even remotely acceptable, especially in situations where the development of better tools does not require any great expenditure of funds, rather, a simple alteration of procedure? The stupidity we all live with, founded on a basis of frail proofs undermined by countless failures, supported by conservatives who see no evil and progressives who see no alternative, is, for me, a sea of fire, searing my mind, choking my will to exist, and making me unsympathetic toward the suffering of those around me. "Of course they are suffering!", I think. "The world is a mess, and they are all complicit in its continued state of disorder!" For it is not enough to despise what harms you. To be free of harm, you must despise harm itself. To be rid of it, we do not even need to actively seek to eradicate it. We simply need to refuse to accept it---not for the sake of convenience or cost! Not for the sake of safety or security! Not for the sake of any short-sighted victory. It requires no greater effort than saying "No." And I am not an asshat idealist who cannot accept or appreciate the achievements of a system that works most of the time to do incredible things. The world is full of incredible works! However, if it is indeed, harmful, do not celebrate it as an ideal thing. Celebrate it as what we have, while recognizing the need for improvement. In this way, the tools we use because they work "better" than the alternatives, can be readily recognized as broken, and subsequently replaced, when a *better* alternative is found.
But enough about me. How you doin?
@Brandon Merritt so your saying that developing a new method to tell if people are lying or not, is impossible? i can take a example, u know how cops find out if people are lying? they ask them loads of questions, and ask a few one or twize without the suspect realizing. then a different answer might come up
0 likes@MrLoomian Impossible? Nothing is. I imply that I have an understanding of such things, and with this understanding, I can easily identify devices that simply cannot do what they purport.
0 likesI can promise you that the sort of understanding required to craft such a device will not be mainstream (it could already exist for all I know) for a very long time, if ever, not because it is impossible to develop, but because it would directly interfere with many of the established systems that attempt to detail the nature of the mind. Simply said, many people do not know what they are, they refuse to ask, and the efforts put toward finding a proper answer are either inadequate or misguided. They will continually find answers that are obviously inadequate, accepting them and the mechanisms designed around them, whilst turning a blind eye to the failures of those mechanisms that shall act as evidence of a mistaken understanding. The tools will not work, because the notions they are built upon are wrong, stupid, garbage, basically all the bad stuff.
Of course, I also recognize that one does not need a complex understanding to develop a tool that "works" for a task. Such a tool could be developed through trial and error, however, the effort required for the sake of such a brute-force tactic makes it exceedingly likely that a broken tool will be developed instead, with its shortcomings offset via bloated efforts to market the tool to customers. In many cases, this is innocent enough, but in the case of a tool that can ruin someone's life by failing, it is, imo, criminal.
Oh, but it's okay. This tool will only ruin someone's life 5% of the time. It still works.
@Erebus The military chain of command or the prison?
0 likesThis happens with terrifying frequency.
0 likes@ACORDA MÉDICO Thankyou for telling your story, now I have to be more aware on my surroundings. I can literally see myself being in your situation and would probably do the same thing because that's prolly the only best decision I could think when nervous.
0 likesHe and two colleagues were fired but yes you’re right Michael was amazing and the fact that the witness described the suspect as White and Michael Black seems pretty racist to me to be honest.
0 likesOne of the detective's directly involved was not fired, but has since been promoted.
0 likesfacts
0 likesWhen stupid people can reach this level of the judicial system.........just shows how much work needs to be done
2 likesWhy we don't have a mandatory IQ check and an ethics test is beyond me
My BEST professor did her doctoral dissertation on dishonesty detection. Her research 100% proved that there is so much individual variance that it’s impossible to detect lying because there are no set standards that can be applied to everyone.
12 likesAlthough polygraph tests are used they were long ago refuted by courts because biometrics cannot determine what’s happening in someone’s mind. Just being nervous, angry, sad, etc. can make one fail a polygraph!
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Exactly. I lied multiple times during a polygraph and passed easily.
3 likes@Brandon Massey hells yes brother- I learned how to pass them when I was a mere 15 year old shithead!! I began by placing a thumbtack in my shoe under my big toe & pressing down during each answer, but then I learned it was far easier than that!.. I simply didn’t give a shit about the test. Passed 100%!
1 likeDidn’t the inventor of the polygraph say it was all bullshit later on in life? Or am I still thinking about the guy that coined the term “alpha wolf?”
0 likes@Zomby you’re correct- the inventor totally refuted it later
0 likesTwo different innocent guys, in similar situations. But the difference is huge: Justin is fed up of the system and totally lost trust in it since he had a recent bitter experience of having served a term in prison and now trying to gather his wits in order to start life afresh, with righteousness. So he's pissed off this time and expresses his frustration, anger and disregard towards the vile workings of the system, all at the same time. Michael respects the system and has a regard for it as an honorable citizen. On top of it, he is highly intelligent yet somewhat of an introvert. This is a bad surprise for him but his faith in his own innocence and the system is strong and so he sits there calm, collected and keeps a humble, respectful poise.
2 likesPeople like Michael are rare actually. Happy for him that he got his due and so did his interrogator and investigators.
But it's a sad story for Justin, who apparently wasn't compensated at the end of it all.
Never talk to cops without a lawyer on your side.
I think that I commented on this video sometime in the past, but I really want to reiterate how absolutely pissed I am at that first investigator, how decency wasn't afforded to the suspect, and how long he was kept from his responsibilities and life for literally no reason.
0 likesThe alibi wasn't checked until they got someone completely different in? They mistaked a short white guy for a quite tall colored guy?
Yeah, his behavior there is completely abnormal. I'm quite an introvert myself, I really thrive in being alone and what not, but holy hell would I have UNLOADED on that invesitagor the moment he says "we have you on CCTV" because at that point, being completely innocent you know there's not a snowball's chance in hell that it's actually you in that video. I would've completely lost my cool, the second person who was wrongfully convicted for TWO YEARS would've looked like a mildly louder tone compared to how absolutely livid I'd be.
You're playing with my life, my freedom, and my future based on nothing? They didn't even bother to actually try and check? Wow.
I hate these detectives that prioritize their own careers over someone’s freedom
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Yeah!
29 likesAuthoritarian Order Followers.
111 likesAnd lawyers..
13 likes@Stephen lawyers are different. Some are definitely sociopaths, others sometimes have to defend the guilty, or make cases against the innocent. That is their job and even the criminal has the right to an attorney under law.
221 likesThey should be buried under the prison. They are worse people than most run of the mill criminal that they try and lock up.
34 likesIts easy to follow them home...
3 likes@J H As is true for anyone in a position of Authority. Police have unlimited power (they can take your life and are protected). Unlimited power demands INFINITE TRANSPARENCY and ACCOUNTABILITY.
38 likesWell said, it’s horrifying
5 likesI mean michael got 43k out of it and the detective got demoted, so Im pretty satisfied with the outcome.
11 likesThe worst part is he was only demoted. That means there's a cop somewhere out there looking to take REVENGE on 6'2" black guys just because he made a mistake (that almost cost someone else's life.)
14 likesHe should be sweeping floors for the rest of his days. The detective clearly can't handle responsibility.
I would call them pigs, but that would be an insult to real pigs.
14 likesThe first detective was much, much worse: The second one was a bit more objective, but overall, police detectives are really, really shitty interrogators.
That’s all cops and that’s the culture of law enforcement.
0 likesDon't forget about the prosecuters who do the same thing too. The more convictions they have the further they go.
4 likes@pink who says they won't do it again? They need to be fired, this is lives they're ruining. Actual innocent people.
6 likesBut police getting fired or not getting hired somewhere else basically never happens
I doubt they see it that way. I think a lot of police are taught that there are criminals everywhere and that they are the only ones who can protect society and that people are constantly trying to kill them. This is all untrue, but it makes them more aggressive and less empathetic.
2 likesYou mean, every cop/detective?
0 likesso many ACAB teenage girls here, yeesh
1 like@Proxim_ not acab, but why shouldn't bad cops face the consequences of their actions?
2 likes@Vegimak of course they should. im just pointing out the slew of comments in this thread saying cops are out solely for their own gain and one commenter who went as far as to say “burn them”.
1 like@Proxim_ oh sorry man, I thought you tagged me cus I got the notification!
0 likesCongrats, welcome to the world of commercialized justice. Police departments are paid for quick and efficient convictions, while defense attorneys are paid for quick and efficient trials. Both cops and lawyers are as invested in your guilt or innocence as a fast food chef is invested in how much you enjoy your fries.
8 likesHow often are your fries soggy and undercooked, because it was simpler to pull them up 30 seconds early to save time? How often are they cold because they didn't bother to make fresh?
That's a two dollar side dish. Most detectives and defense attorneys are more invested in their fries than your future.
@KGYeatman But it is the lawyers, courts and legislatures that allow police to interview in this manner. This is part of the reason for the current breakdown of trust in government and police. Police should:
1 like1. in an interview only be allowed to tell the truth.
2. Not be allowed to steal from citizens (civil asset forfeiture without criminal conviction)
3. Have greater public oversight in excessive force investigations (outside independent review)
4. Be personally liable for gross trampling of citizen rights (Adjustments to qualified immunity)
Perhaps with changes like these people would once again believe that the police are public servants and on their side. I am a law abiding citizen and I have a deep distrust of the police - I dearly wish that my feelings were not justified.
Precisely. The first detective is garbage at his job. It’s quite obvious that he is either a rookie, or just plain dumb. EVERYONE should know the “we have enough evidence on you” trick. It was so infuriating to watch him do such an awful job
1 likeWhile we should talk about the individual level to understand the situation this is a systemic issue that needs to be fixed at that level. More transparency, more separation between judiciary and executive, more accountability for false convictions.
2 likesI am mad at detectives like this too but it´s not helpful fort actually fixing anything as long as the system not only allows this behavior but actually rewards it in some ways.
Honestly, hearing they got suspended and demoted was the best 3 seconds of my life
0 likesAll detectives and all cops do that.
0 likes@James W. Blatch Generalizing isn't going to help.
0 likes@Mike Bolton You are not helping.
0 likes@actualsurfer also known as Nazis
0 likesToot-toot
0 likesPå
0 likes@Neez Duts All Nazis are Authoritarians but all Authoritarians are not Nazis. It’s an important distinction because it Obfuscates the truth.
1 likeYep detectives are supposed to do that
0 likes@actualsurfer unlimited power is an overstatement
0 likesthere should be more incentive to get it right. maybe money or penalize detectives for wrongfully accusing people. ik it’s harsh but what’s worse is innocent people going to jail
0 likesFantastic Lies on ESPN shows detectives doing that very thing.
0 likes@actualsurfer you just described all cops
0 likes@Mike Bolton damn chill man, nothing is as black and white as you say it is
0 likesSometimes I wonder if there aren't more psychopaths in the criminal justice system than in the prisons...
1 likeOh... You mean them All?
0 likes@this account none needed if people have common sense.
0 likesThrow in prosecutors as well.
0 likesIn the case of the first guy, blatantly lying to him and saying that they possess evidence that doesn't exist, the interrogator should be subject to criminal charges for causing severe distress to a person who is innocent. I don't see any reason why that should be legal.
1 likeSame can be said about politicians.
0 likesYou should hate the system which makes a career depending on the amount of people you got into prison.
0 likes@aebalc you're writing all accounts but all they have to do is say I want a lawyer and don't say a word.
0 likesI think they are only prioritizing the next time they get to eat a donut.
0 likes@pink 43k for 2 years in prison? that's a slap in the face
0 likes@Frank 16:53 "he was kept in jail for 3 and a half days." I won't deny that those 3 and a half days were one of the worst days of his life, but he was compensated quite well. Though I do think they should've given him more.
1 like@pink I could have sworn I heard 2 years in county jail… if it was only 3 days then yeah I totally agree with you
0 likesI mean the sick thing is even when they get evidence that exonerates a person, typically the prosecutor fights the release, no matter what. There was a man who was convicted of rape and they finally did the rape kit 15 years later and there was three different kinds of semen and none of them was his. Then another person admitted to the crime, and the prosecutor still thought the release.
0 likesAs is all of them?
0 likesAnd their possible careers this shit is crazy
0 likesPeople will always value themselves over others / the collective. They’ll make compromises to further themselves, but they’ll ultimately be self-serving
0 likesThis is beyond heartbreaking. The worst part that there’re so many people who never get exonerated or spend their life in prison…. It’s hard to comprehend
1 likeSaw this on Bruce Rivers CLR and found out about this channel, and I love it! I don't love that the investigator didn't investigate a damn thing, bother to get an accurate description of the suspect, and think he should lose his job.
0 likes“The investigating officer and 3 other investigators were all demoted and suspended.”
19 likesThat is a wonderful thing to hear.
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Innocent victim: goes to prison for 2 years
1 likePolice officers: get demoted & suspended. Yes, surely demoted to jobless or prisoners and surely suspended for 2 years. What if this is just one of the few people that were later exonerated? Given the incompetence presented, I would hardly be surprised if it has happened before or even worse, continues to happen
How you know it wasn’t the US, the cops for the other guy all got promotions
0 likesSo used to one subject. This is an eye opener! Thank you for this channel.
0 likesMy heart goes out for Justin. That’s a man that’s making a genuine change for the better and is watching his life be stripped away from him unjustly. It’s hard to watch
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@I OFFER YOU THIS wtf are you talking about? there is literally no evidence to suggest this is the case whatsoever, beyond your own stereotypes...just as bad as the cops in this vid man
772 likesdevotion303 my thoughts exactly
125 likesI OFFER YOU THIS why do you think this? dude was in jail before, and got falsely accused and imprisoned later, why would he like cops?
250 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS Where's this coming from? The guy was in the penal system, is working to correct his life and make good with his future. What in ANY of that leads you to believe he's a thinblue type? You sound like you're jumping to conclusions based on biases.
190 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS How do you think a man who's been run through the wringer like that could maintain respect for law enforcement?
142 likesBecause he has a beard?
Snap back to reality.
@I OFFER YOU THIS YOU OFFER US NOTHING.
144 likes@A Different Angle Oh there goes gravity.
20 likes@Dylan McDermott Because Cops and Judges are 2 different instances (Executive and Judicative). You can hate both or only one.
4 likesI feel bad for all these dudes, but Justin hopefully learned to think about the company he keeps. Trying to turn your life around while keeping shady friends is not going to improve your lifestyle. It’s a hard lesson to learn, and he got the worst wake up call to it.
28 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS I'm sorry this is happening to you.
2 likes@Jordan Ellington Since when is Antifa,BLM or just outright Marxism "far right"?
8 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS I find your offering wanting.
8 likesI OFFER YOU THIS huh? Your comment doesn’t even correlate at all with this video
1 like@24fretsoffury WTF are you even talking about? Victim blaming, really? Those people were not his friends, just a guy he knew from living in the same town and growing up together.
22 likes@Lea Felder wow ok.. the other guy didn't have to spend 2 years in jail for nothing.
1 likeWhat happened to Justin afterwards?
17 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS You got shit on.
3 likesBOY
same. it's literally painful to watch him get walked all over and wrongfully accused. hes just a guy trying to turn his life around and they're fucking up his life. it's making me angry sweat
14 likesYup. It's sad.
0 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS and how do you know he supports the thin blue line? Present your evidence please
2 likes@Joey he was eventually found innocent of all charges
2 likes@I OFFER YOU THIS you are just as bad as the cops who falsely accused him
2 likes@24fretsoffury nowhere does it even state he keeps bad company. He said he grew up with him, implying school/familial link, not personal or friend. In fact, it seems like he doesn't even like the guy, so quit making assumptions, like the detective did.
16 likesYeah dude i cringed phisically on that section of the video, its so hard to watch specially as we know now he was infact innocent. Its stuff like this that just makes a person worst instead of promoting change for the better.
5 likes@Stukenny46 Amen.
0 likes@24fretsoffury Justin said that he never went out and only knew the guy from growing up with him.
1 like@Jordan Ellington What does blue line mean?
1 like@Sarah Ann Kronsberg I hope Justin found a sweet lady after they freed him.
2 likes@Jordan Ellington idk why people keep replying to a guy with the username I OFFER YOU THIS, like it’s pretty clear they’re a troll, guys, and probably a righty since they’re more common and often impersonate leftists to make them fight each other, and the troll even used racial stereotyping
0 likes@Kristen Price it was later found out that he slept with candy and thats wjy her boyfriend hit her. They then blamed it on Justin. So yeah they werr more than just neighbourhood acquaintance. Also he stole her sons playstation.
0 likes@Karolina Jarosz can you give a link? cant find anything online
3 likes@Jordan Ellington What about saying far right and far left? Many thing in life fall on a spectrum and being at extreme ends on a lot of things is unhealthy or good, so why only focus on one end? Perhaps you have no interest in being considered a fair or even rational person, but if you do value those traits whatsoever you may want to think about the hypocrisy inherent in only thinking one side is part of a problem. The far right, as bad as they may be, has much less of an interest in ruining this country than the far leftists who openly chant death to America. Perhaps you are just trying to stir the pot, which is something someone ruining this country might be more inclined to do, just proving you are already no better than that which you hate.
0 likesher boyfriend beat her up so to cover it up she accused Justin of breaking in and robbing and assaulting her. The boyfriend wasn't supposed to be around her already and she didn't want him to get in trouble again so she had to blame Justin of doing it.
3 likes@Karolina Jarosz where is this coming from? can you give a link or something?
0 likesthank you
0 likes@Stukenny46 He didn’t say they were the same he said they were equally as bad
0 likesThe guy accused of robbing the jewelry store is one of the most calmest men I’ve seen in my life.
0 likesWow I can’t believe that was handled so poorly, actual smooth brain cops running amuck. That dude has some serious patience
1 likeThat Hamilton cop with an British accent could possibly be the worst cop ever! What a joke, lying is one thing but he is terrible at it and then just expects the innocent man to cave in and admit guilt..........
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1 likeWhat a gentleman! Well spoken and rational. This makes me irate! LOVE that they got demoted!
0 likesI don't think someone wearing shorts and a white t-shirt would be breaking into a jewelry store????
Cop: "He looks guilty, because he's too defensive."
6069 likesAlso cop: "He looks guilty, because he's too calm."
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curse the cop😠makes me very angry
26 likes@Dalton: "He looks guilty, let me pick a reason why" - Cops, probably
145 likesI know what you mean. A good example of something like this is if my husband died somehow and they thought it was murder and automatically were 100% positive it was me just because of my behavior. What I mean is, we hate each other and that's no secret to friends and family. But the thing is is when they show up to tell me he is dead I'm not going to be all sad and crying because again we hate each other. I don't wish him dead but if he had a heart attack or something I just might act a little happy to be finally rid of him. I know this sounds like I am a horrible person but I assure you my husband wouldn't care about me not being sad. If I dropped dead instead he would be super happy himself. Like we know neither of us would miss the other. And please get the right picture of our relationship. Although we loath each other it's not like we have this fighting and violent thing going. We really barely ever speak and yeah if we do talk we might insult or call the other one a bad name or something.
19 likesBut, the point was that I could easily be falsely accused of murder if something ever happened to my husband just because I wouldn't have typical behavior of a wife losing her husband. When in fact I would never, ever murder him or anyone else because I have a fear of being in prison. I would never make it in a prison because I'm a wicked scaredy cat and in no way violent. I don't throw things or even slam a door when I'm super angry. It's just not how I process anger. I will say some really horrible stinging words that will get you irate. I know how to push buttons and get someone super mad and I think it's funny when I have that kind of power to get such a reaction just from my words. I'm really not this horrible person though I assure you. Honest.
@Katie Kat At this point it's better to have a divorce, because this sounds (mentally) unhealthy to live with a person (in your own words) hate. My father did the same with my mother "only for the kids" they stayed together but this is just toxic and it's better to go separate ways.
30 likes@Katie Kat You are fine, but you are obviously looking for approval and acceptance because everyone saw you weird and "cold" whole your life. But you have your husband who is probably the same and you understand each other. Trust me, that understanding is stronger than any other hollywood love story bullshit. Not crying and reacting does not equal to not feeling, its just different way of processing emotions. Its easy to love the partner, what is hard is to hate them, but its also needed, and thats what most people forget about often. Love is not really just about loving.
9 likes@Katie Kat If its any consolation, I suffered verbal abuse and emotional neglect from my financially unstable alcoholic mother in a plethora of domestic arguments in my childhood.
4 likes@Katie Kat oh damn, that's miserable.
7 likesActually what cops do, not just these shite ones.
2 likes@Katie Kat you didn’t need to explain yourself “not being” so much. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully we can keep people from getting f married moving forward (the concept doesn’t make sense to me, I never grew up in church)
2 likes@Beep Boop "He looks guilty, because he's too angry"
0 likesman sits in interigation room
2 likesPolice: He's guilty. Case closed.
Well yeah, you’re guilty until proven innocent don’t let a cop try to convince you otherwise. Always contact a lawyer no matter what before talking to police.
2 likesFear police than a criminal
0 likes@Katie Kat divorce maybe?
3 likes@Katie Kat sincerely just asking to clarify, is he currently your husband, and do you live with him?
0 likesSame in the UK
0 likesLawyers in England who put healthcare professionals in trial when all we've done is blow a flute ...
Glad he got compensation
To put it in a nutshell "he looks guilty, because i want to believe he is guilty."
0 likes@Lazar Good analysis, made me want to rethink my analysis (post) about her. Human beings are so complex man.
2 likesI like her honesty, not running away from how she actually feels, which is what most people do. They are honest about their hate for each other, which, to your point, is probably more healthy, now that I think about it.
Either way, she's going to jail if a lazy cop finds her husband dead. : )
@Robert Nicholls Yeap, there is barely any constants in human behaviour, it's all super subjective. What she described does not sound like a hate to me at all, she is certainly expressing it that way, but it doesn't mean that. My guess is that they "hated" each other from the start, teased each other, spilled "bad" words and what not and that was their connection, their flirting. But that "joke" became a real thing, the thing they both believe in and thats totally fine, its just that she sounds a little insecure about it because examples of such a relationships are not very much heard of, so she is constantly reminded by the world that she is not "normal". There are some sociopathic tendencies in her words, but that's also ok, sociopaths are not that rare at all, its just another way of handling situations/emotions, but if she was a true sociopath, i very much doubt she would stay in something that is not benefiting her. No one is in relationship just to give, they also want something to receive, especially sociopaths.
2 likesCalm? Must be guilty. Getting angry? Must be guilty. Acting confused? Must be guilty. It's sad but that's what happens when you have either inexperienced or just straight up stupid detectives/interrogaters, usually is due to lack of interrogation training, and lack of training is due to departments being defunded because "blue man bad". More money = more training = less of this
0 likes@Katie Kat I mean in some sense wouldn't that be proof of innocence? You wouldn't act happy if you murdered him upon being told he was dead, you would already know he was dead, so why would the news make you happy? There'd be a clear difference between telling someone who murdered someone the murdered person is dead and telling someone who'd be happy to hear the news that a certain person is dead that that person is dead. I'd expect someone who's guilty of murder to break into tears, or get shakey, hiding nerves as sorrow. I'd expect a black widow to act more like a grieving widow then a happy widow.
2 likesMeh, simply:
2 likesReport: "We're looking for a small caucasian"
Cop: "So you mean a random black on the street? Sure"
@Katie Kat why dont you just divorce him? Or better yet maybe try to mend yo r/ship?
0 likesSeems like atoxic existence, hopefully you both find asolution
@Katie Kat You wouldn't fool us Mrs Kat, we already know you did it.
2 likesits easy to find proof when you are looking where you want to find it
0 likes@elmer garcia well, make better life choices then :)
0 likesAlso cop: He’s guilty because I say so
2 likesHuuuuh 😍
0 likesThey think everyone is a sociopath or something
1 like@it's difficult to create a perfect nickname
0 likesRight?!?! She’s GUILTY!!
/s
@Lazar a lot of couples hate each other and stay together for financial reasosn, not because they understand each other. I dont know her specific reasons, but wanting to stay with him is the last thing I would think of. She even said she would be a little happy if he died because she doesnt want to be with him. It happens, its not necessarily that the other persons evil, they simply cant stand each other, and she would just love not living with him anymore.
0 likes@Katie Kat we didn’t need to hear about your relationship
0 likesGet a divorce, clearly it’s not working
@xTAARGUS Cop: You see, if he were not guilty, why would he be in the interrogation room?
0 likes@elmer garcia You're a lucky bastard. i've never been married but, 19 here, since I was 8 I've had extreme self esteem issues, etc. i hope you cherish it a little bit
0 likesI think lying to a suspect during interrogation should get you punished as guilty of the crime they're accused of
7 likes“ Demoted and suspended without pay” that is exactly what they deserved
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And they deserve prison time as well, ATVLEAT 3 DAYS AND A HALF. That guy will never forget those days.
0 likesi cant believe he deleted most of his videos the week i started binge watching them..
6 likesSo Glad to hear that this guy got compensation this whole thing was a joke literally distrustful police as usual telling huge lies to try to trap the innocent person into looking guilty and eventually pleading guilty as the odds are stacked against you in s court of law.
0 likesIt's a fact that juries tend to throw the guilty verdict it's a trait of human nature.
The officers involved should of been sacked not demoted.
The woman that lied about that dude and falsely claimed he broke in and assaulted her should be charged and sentenced to the crimes she claimed he committed.
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or maybe, for.. slander?
139 likesI agree. There should at least be serious punishment to purposely falsey accusing somebody. The accuser serving the same sentence as the accusee would have served seems fitting to me.
337 likes@Cassie Tad agreed
12 likesSounds like same bs the dems Are doing to trump
51 likes@Google User yup. They started the whole "Russian collusion" impeachment process within 5 minutes of him winning the election in 2016..
45 likes@Quare Percutis Proximum well slander is different than a false accusation that resulted in legal trouble. This could have ruined his life if it would have stuck Im hoping he got a good lawsuit off this. I hate to see somebody thats just trying to straighten out their life get thrown back into the system over nothing.
31 likesYou can’t just charge and sentence for crimes not committed. Maybe false police reports and slander or something like that? But you can’t charge her for breaking in and assault if she didn’t do those crimes.
7 likesEye for an eye!
2 likesNope. Women dont get punishments in the Americas(North America, US & Canada)
21 likesThe problem is that memory is not perfect, there is a good chance the person who actually did the crime was in the line up, (or maybe even wasn't) but trying to remember a face (remembering faces is actually hard) especially when your interaction was one where you feared your life, is actually harder than you'd imagine... I'm sure she made an honest mistake... But still tragic that this can happen
4 likes@NaySay Network While it's true that women get lighter sentences and that such injustice should be reformed, saying women don't get punished at all is just incorrect.
11 likes@Anonymous AJ but it is correct if it might cause real victims to go silent later. Like in the rape cases and maybe just maybe it might be the case for assault charge too now put that on top of the fact women's geting generaly lesser sentences you got yourself another reason to be angry with the system.
2 likes@Ender İskender That is something almost completely unverifiable. The reasoning is there, but you have to prove it's actually happpening.
0 likes@Anonymous AJ happily
0 likes@Anonymous AJ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) should check sexual assault part. Creame of the cake if accuser is under 18 she doesn't have to agree to give dna evidence and women's claims are accepted as evidence on its own since courts believe no woman would lie in such case. So by law he is guilty until proven innocent in this case. I am all in with punishing rapist but this system is just not right.
4 likesAll she has to pay is what she has taken from school or something and since she already spend it all, she gets away with ruining that young man's life because law is just wrong.
3 likes@Ender İskender Sorry, I should have asked for proof of this happening systemically. I'm not disputing that it does happen. I'm challenging that it occurs often enough for the sweeping phrase "Women dont get punishments in the Americas(North America, US & Canada)" to not be a contrived and reactionary statement. Yes, it happens - but how often?
6 likes@Anonymous AJ i don't know how often but once should be Enough to take action how many innocent human being have to suffer to take action. Also i am pretty certain statistics shows its very often but I don't want to go ahead and prove that argument for the sake of a country i don't care much about however it makes me sad when there is injustice and innocent human beings gets harmed without reprocassions but ultimately it falls on their fellow citizens to be aware and take action against it.
0 likes@Ender İskender To take what action? I don't understand.
2 likes@Anonymous AJ well in democracys you can complain to your representatives for example, in dictatorships it's harder you first have to be in place of power to nicely ask your respective dictator. in coministish country well i don't know you shut up and hope they don't find a way to learn you have unauthorized ideas i gues. If law has an obvious flaw it needs to be fixed and this laws has it.
0 likes@Quare Percutis Proximum libel*
1 like@Christoffer Rasmussen oh, i thought libel had to be written or something like that...
0 likesregardless, couldn't they sue for defamation and damages?
@C L if you can’t charge and sentence people on crimes not committed why are their people incarcerated today that have not committed crimes they’re accused of. Are you saying those people should just do their time and their accusers should just be able to walk away without any repercussions?
2 likes@Mazda 787B what should happen and what really happens are two different things. He just told you what really happens
0 likes@Manu Sharma Is English not your first language? Why’s you feel the need to send me this? Nowhere in that comment, did I suggest that that’s what happens. I said what should happen, exactly like the initial post.
0 likes@Rick Terrance trump was not impeached for that, please don't tell lies
3 likes@Mazda 787B I'm British, so decide for yourself if English is my first language. That bloke you replied to was talking about what actually happens and hence, was implying what O/P said isn't possible in the real world. His argument is logical while you and the O/P are playing on plain emotions. I think a little work on your comprehension skills will do you well
0 likesDID YOU SEE THE PART WHERE THEY ARRESTED THE DUDE THAT WAS DRESSED AND LOOKED JUST LIKE HIM
0 likesWoman here: I totally agree!!! Women need to be held accountable for false information. It could LITERALLY be the difference between a free man/woman or guilty one.
0 likes@Rusty Umm yes he was dude where have you been? He spent 2 years in court fighting the "russian collusion" conspiracy bullshit they didnt convict him because he didn't do anything it was all to cause the uninformed population to cast doubt on him it was essentially state sponsered defamation. Same thing with his most recent "impeachment " trial which also failed to actually convict him. It was just to make him look like shit. Unless he paid the protesters to kick in the door at the capital he's not responsible for the actions of a small handful of protesters who decided to break the law just because he used the phrase "We must fight for justice" (the word fight in English doesn't always correlate to literal violence....he used it figuratively) furthermore he gave the speech to address the protesters after they showed up to support him and protest and his speech occured AFTER that small group of protesters forced entry. The democrats simply publicly smeared him with lies in order to ensure he wouldn't run again.
1 likedouble the crimes, actually, since that is such an undeserved injustice.
0 likes@Skamacho I think you must be smartest person in the universe who's talent hasn't been recognized.
0 likes@NaySay Network that is one america...
0 likes@Mazda 787B is English not your first language either "why's you" WTF
0 likesExactly!
0 likes@Statistically Speaking Doesn't matter if remembering faces is hard, don't profess someone to have done it if you can't remember. Just simply say "I can't remember". Be honest, stop trying to make up stuff and call it a mistake. There's a difference between an intentional mistake and an unintentional mistake. Someone that intentionally accuses someone when they can't remember or are doing it on purpose... that's an intentional false accusation. To make it not an intentional false accusation, simply say "I'm not sure" or "I couldn't say because I don't remember". Not lie and say "whoops my mistake" when someone else's life is on the line and could potentially ruin their life FOREVER.
3 likes@Kev ZX-10R C1H It's called a dialect dummy.
0 likes@Quare Percutis Proximum You are correct, libel is written and untrue, slander is spoken and untrue. In the USA in most and maybe all states, for someone to get into trouble for slander or libel they have to cause some type of harm or damages to the person that they were saying or writing untrue things about. For example if what you wrote or said was untrue and it caused them to lose their job which means no income and possibly ending up homeless and starving.
0 likestotally agree. someone r4ping or assaulting someone will/can ruin their life, but falsely accusing someone of that can also ruin an innnocent persons life.
0 likesThe problem is, that could be very easy to get wrong. Say you're a woman in a relationship with a community leader/business owner who abuses you and you report him and no one believes you...you could be charged and sentence to jail for HIS crime...real victims would become even more afraid to come forward wit the truth for fear they could be charged if the trial goes wrong or people don't believe them.
1 like@Andrea B Honey, that's not how it works. At worst you get sued for liable. That doesn't often come with a jail sentence. Hell, a lot of women are barely even "Real Victims" to begin with. My buddy got charged with sexual assault, and the women came onto him. I was there. Probably only like 3/5 of women reporting are actually "victims." Everybody is a goddamn victim nowadays.
2 likes@Matthew McCone I didn't say they make a false claim just to have made a false claim, when you are in a fight of flight mood your body is not going to waste extra energy creating photographic memory of the situation... You can remember some things not others... They mentioned he knew her ex boyfriend, there is a chance she had met him once, or had seen a picture of him somewhere, obviously nothing that memorable, as I'm sure you can't remember all of your ex's friend you have seen a picture of or at a background in a gathering or whatever, but I can imagine that when she did see him, she remembered a bit of him, but obviously because that memory wasn't clear enough, and her memory of the incident wasn't clear either it came to her brain obviously didn't go "I remember this guy, from that one picture on my ex's facebook" but instead went something like "I have seen this man before" obviously she is not asked to think about all of her memories from birth, but just the memory of the incident, which again cannot be clear, because the body is not designed to waste energy on anything other than fighting or flighting, so "have seen this man" all of a sudden is "I must have seen him at the crime scene, otherwise why would I have remembered him?!" I hope that helps a bit. I know it's very sad and disappointing, but unfortunately human body and memory is extremely complex, and not always 100% accurate. Again I know this for a fact (from having read studies in memory in situations like this were victims misidentify their perpetrators, I know she didn't do this to be malicious, and it was an honest mistake) obviously the criminal justice system of this country is broken... If it wasn't the cops would actually go look for evidence and not get a false confession because getting a confession results in a raise. I think we should be angry, but we can't blame her for making a mistake any one would make, but blame and change the system for enabling this... Obviously any one whose studied the brain, and the mind, even in small doses, knows that it is extremely faulty, and if you even think about it, you encode memories based on your experiences and not from an unbiased view, for example if you are arguing with your friend your memory won't be encoded as " we had an argument and I was just as wrong or unreasonable" but more like "we had an argument, and he is so rude for calling me this and that, and so ignorant for not understanding my point" I hope this helped
0 likesYip.
1 likeFalse allegations destroy lives forever. People should be jailed for that 100%
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. She should only be charged with whatever crime is involved with falsifying claims.
2 likes@Anonymous AJ they don’t
0 likes@Cxm_peach Yes, they do. Stop trying to convince yourself of these reactionary, draconian views you hold.
0 likes@C L no...but you can align the sentence for filing a false police report accordingly
1 likeWomen don't even get prison time for falsely accusing men of rape! It's disgusting
1 likeShe should wear the letter "L" for liar on her chest and have to walk around town forever for everyone to see. Then people should say "shame" "shame" "shame" as she passes by them.
0 likes@C L the charged him for it when he was innocent
0 likes@Statistically Speaking were you not listening, she was caught straight up intentionally lying in court. Identify your bias, stop trying to defend someone just because of the woman card. Even if the guy narrating this video is wrong, you genuinely have no reason to believe otherwise, what you've suggested is pure speculation, derived from insecurity. Might want to brush the dust of the psychology books, Pegah, and start some self analysis.
3 likes@C L I agree with you
0 likes@Quare Percutis Proximum Making a false criminal complaint is a criminal offense. Slander is a civil offense.
1 like@Steven Downie when did I say woman?! Sorry, I'm getting a PhD in psychology and I have studied memory well enough to know it is not reliable
0 likes@C L that's what they did for the guy tho..
0 likes@Statistically Speaking yeah, people saying that false accusations ruin people's lives and yes they do. but if people were convicted because they made false accusations there would be innocent people's lives ruined there too
0 likes@C L but lying in court is an offense and she deserves to be punished
1 like@Anni Eliina How is someone who has been proven to be lying innocent nobody said if a woman accidentally accused a man they should be put in jail lying about rape and assault doesn't just hurt the man it hurts all people who have been raped or assaulted as people are less likely to believe them
1 like@Statistically Speaking Nobody said if a person accidentally accused the wrong person they should go to jail they said if they are proven to be lying they should go to jail
1 like@Alfie Shepherd i wasn't talking about people actually making up false accusations. that's a terrible thing to do and should be punished somehow. but there are also real accusations being written off as false because they couldn't be proven. that means that there would also be innocent victims sent to jail if false accusations were to be punished. i'm just saying that the solution isn't so black and white.
1 like@Anni Eliina I meant if you can prove someone is lying without reasonable doubt the same as all crimes
0 likes@Quare Percutis Proximum giving false testimony in the court of law. and slander as well. and lying to law enforcement officers and probably calling police for no good reason. so at least four I see there . Why just slander? This isn't a slander issue.. false testimony is eh... you're going away to federal prison
0 likesExactly!!
0 likesThis is the law in Norway now. If a woman falsely accuses a man of rape, she will receive the punishment that the man would have gotten had he been found guilty. This has greatly reduced the amount of revenge accusations.
1 like@Cassie Tad couldn’t agree more
0 likesin the old days she would have, the courts used to sentence anyone found guilty of perjury under oath with the sentence the person they testified against would have gotten. i think most states give up to 12 years nowadays
1 likeI had an ex take the stand and admit under oath to completely making up false charges against me in attempt to prevent me from leaving her. The female judge was outraged and told the officer who pressed the charges against me without so much as contacting me or having a shred of evidence, that she expected charges to be filed against this girl for doing this. He didn't file any charges against her, of course. The same police department didn't file charges against her when she stole $3k from me, or when she stole my credit card. 50-60% of cops are shit and the other 40-50% who are good know that's the truth.
1 likeI hope he fucking sued
0 likesHow about the cops should should be fired and forced to pay bankruptcy inducing reparations for an inability to do a job that destroys people's lives. How about removing hidden revenue based quota agendas, if in the U.S. read 27 CFR § 72.11. Also If you are in the U.S., how about waking up to the fact that at any given time you are commercial crop for system so sinister that you cannot even fathom the level of corruption...
1 like@C L look that B ruined a persons life, she should be under tha jail.
0 likes@Rick Terrance it probably did affect his life even if he got a good lawsuit off of it, imagine if u was a bad person and fully changed into a productive member of the society for a decade yet u are still forced to waste 2-3 years of your life beside criminals for something u didnt do, if something did flip in your head and decided to turn back to being a bad apple, who can really blame you? I really hope that the law punishes ppl who falsely accuse innocents much harder than it does now, whole family can be destroyed over nothing!
1 likeWhat is his name and where can I read abt him?
0 likes@Statistically Speaking To be fair as someone who was often in fight or flight situations I can say that ppl tend to remember more of what they see.Main reason would be that our brain frantically searches for way to safeguard our body (organism) weather it be ways to get out or remembering who to run from in crowds.
2 likesPerjury at least which is a ten year sentence.
0 likes@C L " But you can’t charge her for breaking in and assault if she didn’t do those crimes."
1 likeshe was LITERALLY trying to do that to him LOL.
@NaySay Network they do. Some. And some get wrongly accused.
0 likesThough there is still racism, sexism, physical looks, etc.
But how do you prove a false acquisation
0 likesNo, women can do no wrong. If a woman falsely accuses a man of a crime, she should be praised for her bravery
0 likes@Andres Bridgewater I hope you're being sarcastic.
0 likes@Rick Terrance its almost like thats when the crime was completed or something...
0 likesI'm a rape survivor and I totally agree with your comment.
0 likes@Steven Downie And you genuinely have no reason to believe that Pegah meant these things just because of the "woman card". I don't even agree with Pegah on him/hers other points, but you just did exactly, what you said someone shouldn't do.
0 likesHold on buddy, holding women and perjurers accountable? What are you living in a fantasy?
0 likesSecond guy shows the extreme danger of relying on eyewitness testimony. Often they are wrong when involving strangers or people they hardly know, and sometimes—as here—they might be flat out lying.
1 likeMaybe someday, every detective could be accompanied by a psychologist in the interrogation room. I am not an expert in criminology, nor am I a psychologist, but I have had personal experience with people who lied to cover up serious crimes. Michael and Justin, while reacting in different ways, were CLEARLY not lying.
0 likesLove the ending. So sad to think about how often this has happened and the truth never came out.
1 likeWhat a well put together man even on the scrutiny he remains calm and collective. He knew he was targeted by a racist cop.
1 likeEdit: the first guy
Michael is FAR too Canadian. He even tells the investigator "I'm not trying to give you a hard time". MICHAEL, this guy is literally trying to give you HARD TIME!
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I freaked out when an american cop accused me of littering once. And people say were the same country 🤣 but yea poor michael tho. Last part here isn't a joke.
258 likesblm
@Andre Quinones wrong, Michael lives matter
138 likesHe even thanks the investigator at the end.
125 likesWay too Canadian chill. It's almost as if I feel more upset than Michael.
layney boy it’s how we act in other countries. We send out tons of money for help, we generally don’t get involved in war, as well as our tourists are generally very well behaved. I can tell you for certain Europeans have the same opinion on Canadians as America.
49 likesFun fact I actually ran into a travelling couple in Wales, they had Canadian leafs on their backpacks but told me they were American they just have Canadian backpacks because people treat them like shit with American flagged ones lol
lol
0 likeslayney boy you said you didn’t understand why we got that reputation I’m just telling you at least a part of the reason why.
8 likesAnd I grew up and live here as well and honestly haven’t met as many shitty people as you make it seem, what province are you from lol
@Andre Quinones o
0 likesYour comment is stupid...Canadians are just as pissed off as the rest of the world...Michael is an introvert and a gentle soul...
24 likes@layney boy ok it's a stereotype we all have them chill
6 likesSaint Sacrifice why does the rookie sound so British though?.
2 likes"I'm really sworry to waste your time with this, but I'm not the person you're looking for."
0 likesChris McDonald ???????????
0 likesPeople keep saying that cops aren't your enemies, but they're not your friends either.
8 likesTheir job is to arrest people. Always assume the worst in a interrogation and shut up until your lawyer shows up.
So happy he got 46k from that, what a joke lol.
6 likes"I have seen the video"
"Excellent that proves my innocence then"
3 days later still in jail, crazy.
Junko ya at this point everyone should know to just shut up and get a lawyer. I didn’t like when micheal in the video kept saying “I trust your will” it made me super uncomfortable
1 like@layney boy have you been to other countries tho? or perhaps just live in Quebec? Im a canadian who lives in america and all i can say is i think people get a lot worse lol.
2 likes@Rhys Jones LOL thats so funny but also sad. I believe it tho.
0 likes@Rhys Jones So true. I lived in Australia for several years and when people would smile and ask me if I was Canadian (there are a lot of Canadians in Australia). I would say no I am American, and their smiles would quickly fade. Australians consume a lot of American news and entertainment so their preconceptions of Americans are pretty negative. But many Americans have a preconception of Australians being fun-loving and laid-back which I rarely saw in people. Culturally they seemed pretty reserved until they started drinking. This is mostly in the cities though, people in rural areas are much more steriotypically fun-loving... Until you say you are American...
3 likes@Jimmy M Thats the opinion of my country that I get when looking at TV and social media. However talking to real people shatters this notion. I have lived at least three years on every continent except South America (and Antarctica of course) and have found that every society is a gradient of assholery and good-naturedness. I probably wouldn't put any national emblem on my backpack, its better to just be as kind and accomodating as you can be in another culture.
2 likes@Buchi Chu ??
0 likes@Paper Mario turd buddy
2 likes@Street Rider yours is the best comment on the topic ever.
0 likes@layney boy hello fellow angry Canadian! I get pissed off quite often too, and am quite a good example to disprove the "Canadians are polite" thing!
0 likes@rain tree again its a stereotype
0 likesFreaking out doesn't help though, I think Michael handled it well
0 likeshave you ever thought that canadian 'niceness' is lowkey an advantage to them? i mean watch the end of the video and tell me micheal didn't do the right thing or acted the right way.
3 likesI observed it as him being reared properly. He had good role models and or parenting.
1 like@TSERV did anyone say they didn't?
0 likes@ReyCo47 yes, had you read through the comments you would've seen that a few comments were directed towards Michael who cowardly deleted all his comments.
0 likes@TSERV ok put it this way the house's not on fire matter but the house on fire matters more right now but all matter equally
1 like“No disrespect to you” this resonated with me as a Canadian lol
1 like@The Real Pots Moan yes they do
1 like@Andre Quinones This is WWYD
0 likesActually, the both sound British.
0 likes@TSERV I don't support blm, but I hate when people say that cause it's saying something that doesn't need to be said. The phrase "black lives matter" was made to put into light that black people aren't monkeys, not to say that white people are the monkeys. I don't have a problem with saying all lives matter, but as a response to black lives matter, it just sounds weird asf. Also, no disrespect to monke.
2 likes@Jepson Duel ???
0 likes@DeTommy LOL!!!!
0 likesSaint Sacrifice, agreed, but bruh, don't you know what happens to people with his shade of skin ? he HAS to become a diplomat. anything less could result in further abuse or loss of life.
0 likes@DeTommy nvm bro, I'm sorry, just forget it
0 likes@Rhys Jones its always been so silly to me that Europeans hate America/ns because without us they’d literally be speaking german two times over. Its blatant jealousy but still silly nonetheless
0 likes@Rhys Jones Europeans have VERY different opinions on Americans vs Canadians. It’s a little fact Americans are hated almost
0 likes@Andre Quinones Canadian cops treat first nations worse than even American cops treat black people. Canada isnt the "nice guy" country they pretend to be
1 likeRhys Jones I
0 likes@Andre Quinones I’m Canadian and I’m married to an American. The two countries are COMPLETELY different. The only thing we have in common are corporations and the English language.
0 likes@Junko their job technically is to serve and protect and keep the peace. I’m in full agreement that regrettably many seek the job to satisfy a need for power, however they are not there only to arrest people. I see what you’re trying to say though.
0 likes@TSERV yes. All lives matter. What BLM is trying to say is that is that to ignore the injustices that have been inflicted is to commit a great moral crime. It is not to undermine anyone else’s life, but to elevate theirs to a place of equity. It’s not right to put them above anyone else, nor below. They deserve the birthright of humanity, as they are part of it, but right now the emphasis is placed on them because of the horrors they have endured at the hands of friends.
0 likeslol ok
0 likesUgh I'm not Canadian but I love em with my whole heart🧡 Wish I lived there🥰
0 likes@Illmatic_00_ how do you sound gay.. ?
0 likesBeing civil is perhaps the best thing you can do in this situation, aside from demanding your lawyer (that's YOUR lawyer, not a state-appointed attorney; don't care what the cost is, it beats jail time).
0 likes@Chew Quietly How different are Portland, Seattle and Vancouver?
0 likesFrom someone whose been in those shoes but wasn’t innocent I completely feel for them bc they are truly innocent. Some people are extremely unlucky and what’s more important is that this happens so so so many times all over the world at times and it’s scary. Jail isn’t fun it’s miserable the beds are concrete or metal slabs with a 2-3 inch mattress pad a 2 inch thick pillow and a short blanket (for the tall folks I’ve seen suffering from freezing cold whatever) it’s a special type of hell. Fed prison is a bit better but state or county jail you’re mixed with everyone from murderers or weed charge waiting for court so dangerous are mixed with non dangerous and all that.
0 likesAnd, having anxiety from (non) friends and family is hard because either: "anxiety is not real. You are just dealing with guilt of breaking the law" - yes, actually said by a cop (state trooper) or automatically viewed as guilty. They never stop to think how the interaction itself can also bring anxiety, not because guilty not innocent, just purely from it being a conversation.
3 likesShit is stupid to be auto labeled guilty.
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i know exactly what you are saying!!
0 likesmy best friend is going thru something just like this. being charged of a horrible crime simply for exposing a child molestor.
if u have the time and interest, please look up the user : "catterpillar" on youtube.
he is being charged for making that video - he is going thru hell right now, already having had heart issues he tells me he thinks the stress of it all is literally going to kill him, with a heart attack.
The patience of a saint on this man. It makes me so fearful of the police falsely accusing me
0 likesGlad to hear the last bit. What a liar, saying he had video of the accused. 46K wasn't enough. Neither was a demotion. Fraud is fraud, and when committed by a law enforcement officer, it should require a discharge from his position and public shaming. Each lie should have counted as a separate fraud charge. Punitive damages should have been 46K from each of the 3 investigators.
0 likesI feel so horrible for the second guy. The way he slowly increases his leg shake as he puts two and two together and realizes he's being falsely accused is heartbreaking. He knew he wasn't going to be believed because he has a history
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@macandfries why would his lawyer say that
103 likesyea i mean especially knowing in your heart, that they don't have any kind of evidence to support their claims. just absolutely shitty and horrific feeling im sure.
90 likes@macandfries Did he beat the girl?
1 like@macandfries but im tslking bout when they don't like both cases shown in the video...
2 likes@macandfries jeez
1 like@macandfries Thanks. Interesting.. it's a bit hard to get the info, but it seems like he knew Candi and stole her daughters Playstation while he was visiting the house? But that she then made up the story of him breaking in and beating her. Wild.
45 likeswell, he worked hard for that history.
0 likes@macandfries allegedly
2 likes@Machine War be like manatee.
0 likes@macandfries Yes alleged.
7 likes"used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof."
There is no proof. A lawyer making an accusation isn't proof, it's an accusation. So, yes, alleged.
@macandfries what matters is he's out now. and rightfully so
0 likes@macandfries WRONG CASE
0 likesWould you please explain why you think a suspects leg movements are in any way relevant
0 likesNo, Just No!
0 likesAnything that another person is thinking - including the reason for ANY form of body language or experiencing is entirely subjective - it cannot be observed and exists only in that persons mind.
This means that it is not possible to know anything about what another person is thinking, or experiencing or why they behave the way they do based on their body language.
Anyone who makes ANY a statement about someone else's state of mind along with a statement about their body language that they think "proves" it is ether stupid to the point of there being something wrong with them or a fraud who is trying to fool exceptionally stupid people.
@macandfries have you got any evidence to support that statement or did you just make it up?
0 likes@mr X what the hell is wrong with you?
4 likes@Stephen Grigg Your comment is an ad hominin logical fallacy.
0 likes@mr X more than four thousand people agreed with me. Get a life dude
4 likes@Stephen Grigg No, these people did not agree with you they gave a like. This is not the same as an agreement since you dont know why any given one of them clicked on the like button.
3 likesIn any case claiming that people agree with you is a Appeal to popularity logical fallacy. If a message has a big enough audience its is going to get lots of supporters but that dos not in any way prove that the statement is accurate because even the worst lies can be believed by many people.
@mr X Man give it up dude. 4.9 k people versus you is reason enough to question your bloody reasoning.
6 likesAnd just because you participated in a debate club or studies the top 10 logical fallacies, etc, doesn't make you right either.
Appeal to authority or popularity are not 'proof' but they are evidence towards something being more likely true. And frankly stats plays a role in what is true and what is not true, ask any bloody physics major on the study of reality at its deepest level, it often comes down to stats.
Similarly a large portion of why a human thinks something is true is based on the probabilities as well, whether for instance someone shaking their leg could mean a thousand different things, the fact that under certain circumstances it statistically often only means one or two things is happening internally with the person means that people can logically make that leap and be 'reasonable' sure they are correct. This is how we get by in the world, the way you are proposing would grind anyone to a halt having to second guess everything because 'it might be wrong rarely'. By backing this up with years of human study and first hand knowledge confirmed by asking someone what they are experiencing say at the same time they are shaking their leg, etc. And then by also simple projecting oneself into the situation and understanding how you might feel. Humans combine all this and make a judgement call all the bloody time, and it works, otherwise we wouldn't do it. Can it be wrong, yes, of course, does it mean it's wrong just because it can be wrong, no, that is a logical fallacy in itself.
Here is the facts, it is more then likely correct by quite a large margin, and that is good enough for most people, especially in a case like this where it doesn't matter too much, and it really is the most likely scenario. If there was say someone's life hanging on the result, then yea, we can delve into the depts of Descartes Doubt, but this is not reasonable for most everyday things in life. And pushing it like everything 'must be done to the extreme' is just a fallacy in itself.
The fact that there are 4.9k people who think the same, and the only 1 sharing your opinion gives us a chance of 4900 to 1 that you are wrong buddy. Because it is clear that to 4900k people they would likely feel the same thing as Stephen originally described. Thus in a poll it shows that 4900 people would react the way Stephen described in the situation, and 1 person says that shaking their leg like that in that situation would not mean their leg would likely shake more aggressively as the realization of the situation took hold. Ie we did a poll, 4900 people to 1 is the current poll.
So yea, 4900 to 1 you are wrong. Gonna go with that 'logic'....
Feelin bad for both guys myself. But yeah you're right in respect to his predicament dawning upon him, and his resulting behaviour.
0 likes@The Journey thanks for describing my point more articulately than I ever could have.
1 like@SUIT NUGGERAT no did you watch the video? He was completely innocent
0 likes@mr X anxiety, people usually fidget with their legs if they get nervous, he was bouncing his leg up and down the whole interrogation.
0 likes@mr X bro..... you can literally google why you're wrong.
1 likeYou can't determine someone's way of thinking by body language, but you can tell what they're feeling in that moment.
For example when someone's face is beet red but it's in the middle of a summer day, a very normal temperature, no wind, but their friend said something that could embarrass that person. The person's face turning red is due to embarrassment, which is body language.
Someone bouncing their legs at a rapid pace is a very good indicator for anxiety, also tremors is another good way of spotting anxiety, when someone is constantly shifting their eyes and analyzing a room, that's anxiety.
I took college classes on this, what you're spouting is complete bullshit.
Like yeah when a guy is getting in my face and shouting at me, and clenching a fist that totally doesn't mean he wants to punch me, nope not at all, for all we know he's going in for a hug. You're delusional.
@mr X you're literally arguing that no one should make choices because outcomes come in many different shapes. Get a life bro.
1 likeUghhhh.... that shit was so obvious to me that he is telling the truth. He is like panicking and offended and it’s clearly genuine. He was so not expecting that... poor Justin.. “I used to be a piece of shit” he isn’t even angry at the detectives exactly it seems like he is just heartbroken. He keeps apologizing he’s in shock. ughhhhhh I know this was something out of his nightmares...
3 likes@mr X damn, you got proven so wrong you went silent.
1 likealso, you usually like a comment when you agree with it, find it entertaining, sympathize with what's being said, etc etc. so, you're also wrong with that part as well.
@Citizen Otacon you have made 2 mistakes here. You are telling me that someone is experiencing anxiety at a specific moment in time.
0 likesYou absolutely cannot do this. Anxiety is a state of mind it is entirely subjective therefore there is no possible way for any one to know if a different person is experiencing it.
your second mistake is that you have cited an observable action as proof of the persons state of mind. You also cannot do this - the reason for any behaviour anyone shows is entirely subjective and there is no possible way to know what it is.
@mr X
3 likesHe literally says he's freaking out in the video. Stop being so pointlessly pedantic.
Also there's no evidence that body language is a good indicator of emotion objectively across all people. It can still very much be used situationally to track changes in the mental state of specific individuals. Especially when it's a behavior that repeats with similar stimuli
same thing happen to me except i don't have history, in fact i never did anything wrong in my entire life and now i'm still figthing charge and trust me, even if i know i will win in court, it still horrible and some days i just want to kill myself, i cant handle all of this shit, 2nd worst moment of life
1 like@mr X are you kidding me? You clearly don’t work in healthcare because there are plenty of peer review studies that evidence a correlation between body language and internal state of mind. Body language obviously does not ‘cause’ body language, but there is evidence to support that body language can be expressive of emotion and thought
2 likes@mr X I’m sorry I didn’t read anything but I know if I did text to speech it would just be a fart
2 likesTERRIBLE.
0 likes@FiNiSH Random well, two YEARS of false imprisonment doesntNOT Matter.
0 likes@mr X because most humans can relate to the escalating agitation it exposes and the rising anguish most people would be feeling in his place.
0 likes@mr X sure but the context IS known here. GOOD POINTS IN GENERAL. but in this instance how bout you RELAX and take her empathetic share made in good faith for what it is ?
0 likes@mr X look who discovered logical falkacies 101 😁
0 likes@mr X lol. Its just an empathetic inference. based in the entire known context and relatable
0 likesSure the person is IMAGIIG what they'd be feeling snd just aboutAll people would be experiencing in his place if They were doing that-...
COULD the leg bounce be manifesting something else, entirely? Sure , but how is THAT. relevant?
@mr X This is incorrect.
0 likesNonlinguistic communication is real.
The commenter didnt say that the increasigl6 agitated leg bounce PROVED anything.
It is plausible given the entire context that it Indicates agitationand the terrible things Causing agitationat well known to us.
@mr X the man expressed anxiety and anguish both verbally and nonverbally.
0 likesBoth linguistic and nonlinguistic communication exist.
Byyour own logic, the very fact that language can be misinterpreted or used to deceive invalidates it.
Your argument boils down to " until i can READ MINDS" language is ' STUPID. '
@mr X that is icorrect.
0 likes@The Zigzagman correct.
0 likesFirst-class detective work right there...thankfully justice prevailed
0 likesI'm so glad the investigators actually received a punishment
4 likesI admire this other side when the detectives are trying to nail you for something you didnt do. The innocent project tells you how many innocent people are in jail for something they didn't do. Sad sad
0 likesI worked with cops just like this, (in the US) ... who could give a shit less if they have the right guy. Detectives are not trained to eliminate as much as they are put under pressure to "solve" things quickly and put another brownie button on their girl scout vest.
2 likesI love that JCS actually listened to their viewers and did a video of innocent people being interrogated....orrr maybe they've been planning it all along. Either way, dope stuff.
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Yeah I have been waiting for one like this.
7 likesYup this is great stuff. I recommend watching "confession tapes" on netflix, it's a good documentary series on interrogating (probably) innocent subjects and forcing a confession.
7 likesSam thought
0 likesOr maybe he didn’t listen bc they’re not innocent.
0 likesI feel like it's hard to plan something like these situations when it's just you. Soon you'd probably start to doubt your plan and start bouncing ideas off people which likely leads to witnesses and accusers.
0 likesI think he listens cause he mentioned something specific that we say in the comments a lot: (Innocent people with anxiety will look guilty). idk though, but I was waiting for this video 💕😂
0 likes@Brekowins dirty tactics, very dirty in that show. My bloodpressure is rising when im even thinking about those cases..
0 likesThey already had a similar video like this before when they started, with the first guy actually, too bad they had to take them down, their early videos were gold
0 likesyeah i remember someone asking for it
0 likesWas Top comment always on every video hard to imagine it’s coincidence
1 liketheres innocent people ones on his patreon
0 likes"So let me get this straight... you are sentencing me ten years in prison for crimes I never committed? Hell, might as well make it twenty."
3 likesPunches judge across the face
What’s scary about all this is that you are in a world of 💩 if the investigators convince themselves that you are guilty of the crime. The system is supposed to prevent wrongful imprisonment, but humanity is not a system and you can be at the mercy of the ones doing the digging.
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well put.
0 likesI know how’s he feeling it’s fucked up me and my brother were falsely accused of molestation and rapes 3 years ago by our own maid I feel this guy how it feels when you are falsely accused of things which you have not even committed but I have faith in justice system and we won the case as truth always wins 🙏🏼
0 likesDid they actually kept michael in jail for 3 days? Those detectives were really taking their sweet time.
0 likesWow man. I know people can be petty. But this one left me speechless.
Hey, this kind of visual comparison between the psychology of people who have committed a crime and those who have not is especially interesting. In your past videos you've done an amazing job at explaining how a suspect's behavior during interrogation betrays their psychology. In this video you've gone that much further by contrasting such behaviours in detail by using past cases. This is amazing work. Thank you.
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I agree 👏
3 likesAgreed, also nice to see an innocent person every once in a while.
10 likesAgreed, great work. Glad to see innocent people too.
3 likesAgreed! Loved to see the compare/contrast, please bring more of it! Big fan :)
5 likesI agree! Very intriguing. I study applied math. I don’t know shit about detective work but this channel ALWAYS keeps my attention. This video even more.
4 likes@mak0001 This vid does make me paranoid though
5 likesI bet this video was in response to popular demand.
0 likesTheRev0 and can you believe this is free on YouTube? JCS has taught me sooo much about people who lie. I swear, I was good at catching liars before, but I am a freaking expert now lol
2 likesYes. So interesting
0 likesI honestly hate most of videos...not because they are getting criminals to confess, but because those tactics used on an innocent person can cause them to crack as well, which is unfortunate.
2 likesMraPirates you have a point but I think it’s important to learn from them
0 likesF B indeed!
0 likesI have been questioned many times in my youth I always made it very difficult for the detectives LOL I had the ability to lie and remember everything I lied about and even left room in the lies for the future and I did everything alone! I once told a detective it was my job to break the law and your job is to catch me cops are not there to help anyone better to keep your mouth shut from the beginning only talk to your lawyer.
0 likesImagine purposely trying to throw someone in prison so that you can get promoted.
2 likesFTP.
ALL OF THEM.
The first Guy is Calm because He's never been in trouble before, and has a naive understanding of our Justice System. The 2nd Guy knows that the Truth is irrelevant in a Court of Law, He understands that Speculation can become Reality in a blink of an Eye. And what did or did not happen no longer matters.
4 likesOnce again this wonderful channel is attacked with graphic content flagging from youtube. How many times does this team have to reinstate the videos back up for you to get off their back?
6 likes"The interrogating officer and three other investigators were demoted and suspended without pay."
14051 likesMusic to my ears.
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I literally perked my head up from my computer while this played in the background, for a second I forgot I was at work
270 likesIt’s all a show, don’t be so easily tricked. The culture within the Police does not allow for reasonable punishment for f#$’ ups like this.
219 likesHell yeah music to mine too
17 likes@Melissa B When they get it blatantly wrong and mess with people's lives, unjustly, there should be severe punishments. It's right up there with bearing false witness, which should be punished the same way as you'd punish the falsely accused, if found guilty.
254 likesThe way these people can put your life in jeopardy at little or no risk to themselves is disgusting. In the USA, they can go after a sitting president with illegally obtained warrants and CLEAR malice, and nothing happens to them.
There've always been those who operate above the law. It's more blatant, now. They do it right out in the open, and if you're on the wrong side of it, you have no remedy.
That is the part that put a smile to my face, what really got me emotional is how polite & respectful Michael Dixon is to the racist scumbag detective who didnt even think once that this could be wrong. Its amazing how God changes situation & people like Mr Dixon never loose their temper.
83 likesThat's not good enough. They needed to be fired.
72 likeswhat a joke, demoted and suspended without pay? they almost ruined this man's life because they were so incompetent. Being fired and barred from ever serving as a cop/investigator for life should be the absolute minimum
171 likes@ケザコ exactly, if not sentenced to prison for as long as they were trying to put him away for, set a real example for other cops that we are no longer going to take this bullshit.
68 likesI’m working night shift and I yelled out a little waking a patient up Bc I got happy that he got paid and those insidious officers got what they need.
10 likesword
1 likeShouldn't they have been fired? I've heard of people being fired for being late to work. These guys took three days of a innocent mans life away because they were lazy.
25 likes@Derek Lemaster That's not good enough, either. They should have been prosecuted. Police are entrusted with a sacred trust. If they cannot carry that trust they should find other work. If they outright betray that trust they should be punished more severely than the criminals.
29 likes....So the management office of the departments voiced genuine interest to have the interrogating officer and three other investigators back to work the moment after they were informed they made their biggest mistakes that can be made in their respective SERIOUS positions that literally directly deal with people and CAN alter people's lives with a mistake in the field they chose.... in any company I've worked with (that DOESN'T alter people's lives in a serious matter I've seen people immediately get fired for a mistake or two that once again doesn't alter any one's life in a serious way... a cop makes their BIGGEST mistake *which is either kill or bring in and lie on innocent.... they get sent home for a few days.... sent home and told to come back...........
12 likesHow were they not FIRED? Lmfao
They deserve life in prison
6 likesShould have been FIRED. It is evil, they had video footage and it was reported by the shop owner it was a white man.
18 likes@Shardell A little excessive, don't you think?
3 likes@drakkonis1 Mistakes like that can only be made on purpose and maliciously and stealing someone’s time is the worst crime
14 likes@Shardell Yeah, okay, but there's a thing called perspective. There's a thing called a second chance. These guys shouldn't be cops any longer but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated without humanity. We become just as bad as they acted if we do. They should go to prison for what they did so that other cops know there's consequences. But for the rest of their life? That isn't justice, that's vengeance.
12 likes@P Sauer honestly watching this interrogation is quite scary. I mean this was a Blatant case of just get any ole guy arrested for being at the wrong place, right time….
2 likesI was so upset from this video. Thank you for writing this information. I hope to God not to ever be in such a situation and cringe in my soul that such practices exists. Thank God the truth prevailed and at least locally there was some accountability by this department.
3 likesYou know, I REALLY wanna be more like that Michael type, but I´m much rather more like that Justin type...
3 likesThat sentence was freaking important.
1 likeThe issue is that they should have been fired.
3 likesActually hearing that I was like 'good you f***ing c***t' haha I hope this officer lost his job, like hell he treated him like an individual. The level of contempt and disrespect was unreal!
2 likesi can't tell you how satisfying that was...
1 likenot enough! they need jail and or prison time
2 likes@Melissa B this took place in Canada. I think that it is reasonable to assume that they might.
1 likeperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeccccccccccct
0 likesSuch a culture shock to me. In my country, the US, they would have possibly shot him and been promoted with more pay. Them getting demoted or suspended without pay isn't even on the menu here.
5 likesIn all honesty they deserved to be fired. Watching the interrogator not even give the man a chance to speak for himself and insist he's guilty was kind of painful.
3 likesShould have been fired at the least.
2 likesSo just being demoted is music to your ears? The cop is useless piece of s***.
5 likesInstead of being a good detective and reviewing evidence, which is hard work, he decided to just "wing it".
He was lying (to both the suspect and himself) that he already had all the answers. That's not "trickery", that's just being a lazy bum.
How did he not get fired?
Yeah, they should never work again in a capacity that serves the public.
0 likesA happy ending (: I’m glad when cops actually get punished instead of it being swept under the rug!
0 likesTeltale sign it didn’t happen in USA.
3 likesHope Michael had the time of his life with the 46k compensation. Champagne jacuzzi.
1 like@Harry Mills your analysis is SPOT ON! From a theological perspective as well as the social perspective...touche '!
1 likeServes him well
0 likesso a slight pay cut and temporary vacation. they still have their jobs.
0 likesWhy? Lmao if I made that big a mistake at my job, I'd be fired. And human lives don't depend on my job.
1 like@Harry Mills Totally agree. If you have the power to wreck someone's life, reputation, and livelihood it better be taken and treated with that significance with gross misconduct punishable by the same repercussions as the defendant is facing (jail and prison).
2 likes@Harry Mills And of course in the USA they can go after a criminal President with legally obtained warrants. It recently occured. And nothing happened to the criminal President. Disgusting. God bless America....
2 likes@ケザコ In this case the guy got 3 days of jail, and received 46k of it.
0 likesIt's no like he was convicted and served years on jail, so i found the punishment kinda fitting, and also the indenization
@Mooncake it shouldn't be about punishment for what happened. It should be about prevention and punishment for what COULD HAVE happened. These people have legal immunity AND total authority to wreck or even end our lives completely. They need to be held to a MUCH higher standard than the average citizen, but instead they are held to a lower one. This is on purpose. The system isn't designed to protect us.
0 likesOk to all the people saying that the punishment they got wasn't enough, well yeah bo shit it wasn't. But it's a lot better than what we usually get, where police aren't held accountable at all unless there is significant public backlash
0 likes@Emma G that's some liberal "compromising" bullshit right there lmao All Cats Are Beautiful
0 likes@Ash Trash You see, i think that the punishment for "what could have happened" an violation of principles, we can't have access or predict what could or could not have happen, that's why the ends cannot justify the means (you cannot guarantee the outcome [end]), the punishments should be fair, that said, i believe that if the detective jail the guy for 2, 5 ,10 years in prison, then the detective should have a punishment as severe as it, and the victim should receive according indenization
0 likes@Harry Mills Who are you referring to when you say "these people?" Because it seems like you are talking about the cops in the video (local cops), but then you are talking about illegally obtained warrants, and the United States government (federal lawmakers, presumably). Those two aren't the same group, so there must be a bigger group, that contains both of the smaller groups - local cops and federal lawmakers. So what group is it that are "these people?" One commonality is that they are mostly white men. Are you talking about white men?
0 likes@Ash Trash yes I know but I'll take what I can get for the time being. Just because you will settle for less in situations you can't change doesn't mean you can't fight for better
0 likes@Ash Trash It's truth nevertheless
0 likesThey should have been fired, clearly they can’t do the job at hand.
0 likesI'm not privy to the entire event, but that officer should not have been suspended.
1 likeHe should have been sentenced and jailed for the same charges he was trying to pin on an innocent man...
Firing them would’ve put a real big smile on my face but I suppose this grin will suffice
1 likeme too !!!!
1 like@ケザコ I completely agree!! Cops these days are literally OUT OF CONTROL!!!!
0 likesi was kinda happy when I heard he got 46k for the 3 days but I let out a loud HELL YEAH when I her the investigators were demoted and suspend without pay, just M'WAH perfect
0 likesOfficers have the ability to cause immense damage to someone's life. They should have minimally received the same treatment - put into prison for 3 days.
0 likesWho hired these idiots in the first place?..very wrong way of investigation and coming to a conclusion without any proper evidence..
1 likeWell to he innocent the one who investigated the ginger, were pretty reasonable compare to the other one
0 likesFired and forced to pay a fee for the damage repair would the right thing to do.
0 likes@Brian Ni I hope you know that close to 75% of US citizens don't agree with what the police do here. Racism exists everywhere - even in Canada. This video was proof of that, whether justice was served or not.
1 likeYasssss
0 likes@Jacklyn Narian welp i guess we just have different perspectives then. Good thing we don’t have guns in canada tho.
0 likes@Brian Ni your perspective comes from your media. Most Americans are anti-gun as well. If your image of an average American is a gun-carrying, racist white man from a small town who goes hunting for black people, you are uneducated on the fact that this is a country of immigrants where most have escaped persecution and/or financial hardship. Canada is also that type of nation - colonized and stolen from natives by the Brits and French. It's ok to be critical of where you live. Comparing yourself to the US just to make you feel better doesn't do anything to further push justice in your own home.
1 likeShould be fired
0 likesI love a happy ending too. That's some major BS they put him through when they had absolutely no evidence that he did anything.
0 likesSaved The best part for last almost left the video out of anger too
0 likesImo I think this is a mistake that should cost you your job permanently. To risk ruin somebody’s life because you didn’t do your job properly is just insane to me. They simply don’t have what it takes to be an investigator or officer.
0 likes@Melissa B that's just what the media told you bro
0 likesshoulda been fired.
0 likes@Harry Mills I hope the lying lady got jail time.
0 likesHow much did the red haired falsely accused guy get, after he got out of jail after 2 years? I hope he got a lot in compensation.
0 likesits not enough! Demote? what does that even mean?! oh so now he is just a normal investigator ? i doubt they will be working traffic lights! but the brother could of had his whole life ruined! disgusting! at least he got a car out of it 45k aint no lose change!
0 likes@Melissa B It was also Canada. Everywhere is fucked, but not everywhere is fucked in the same ways or for the same reasons.
0 likesi loved it
0 likesNeed to be arrested.
0 likes@Jacklyn Narian why is it that you guys are mostly anti gun yet you can’t change gun laws? Isn’t America the country you can hope for change with the right amount of protest and people? Also yes literally the entire western civilization was colonized but the way the natives were handled was a bit different. Anyways my image isn’t a white man carrying a gun killing African Americans, it is however a country that somehow can never change it’s roots. I can’t say my country is racist free because inside everyone’s a bit prejudice. I’m jus sayin man the media is a strong place and it has much power to define what a country may be.
0 likes@Brian Ni you've never taken a political science class before? I wish laws can change overnight but it doesn't work that way. Maybe you're still a teenager. I don't know who you are but I hope get to learn how politics work. And more importantly, learn to not only criticize other nations but yours as well. That's how democracies work. Racism is well and alive in Canada too. Like the US, it has a history of colonialism.
0 likes@Jacklyn Narian btw I didn’t say overnight, what I meant is the amount of people who say they are anti gun for years now yet for some reason y’all can’t change it even though you said it. Literally politics is dumb but I know things can change if they really out enough effort but most of these days it doesn’t seem like there is any movement trying to stop guns at all. I mean seriously this gun problem has been going on for years but doesn’t seem like it’s gonna be fixed any time in the future. More importantly I’m critiquing your country because I have reasons to and y’all gotta learn to take some criticism. I’m not saying my country is the best and has no problems, of course it has problems and let’s be honest that all countries has problems but this is the internet and I am critiquing your country under the comments of this video. Like I would criticize my own country if this comment was about my country but what I’m commenting on is what this comment implies and therefore I add context about my argument. So it is in my best interest to critique what I believe in mentioned in this comment. I know that you are defending your country and being critical about something isn’t bad. That’s what makes things better. There are many things I think you misunderstood and took it offensively but I want you to know that these are just criticisms and are not directed against you since you are a person but not the entire population. Also I don’t think you are reading my replies correctly lmao cause you seem to repeat some of the things I mentioned. I mentioned how the entire western civilization is colonized which includes Canada and USA and South America, and what I compared to was how USA treated the natives vs how the Canadian treated the natives. You misinterpreted my wording. Also politics are complicated I get it, but let’s be honest here, you don’t need politics for change. Just see India’s protest for independence, or the African American’s protests of freedom. Non of these needed politics though politics were involved but it wasn’t the governments who changed the law, it was the people who fought for change who changed the law. Right now your telling me only politicians can choose what the people want apparently and if the governments want guns, the people can’t change that. I’m just suggesting and asking for some clarity to why hasn’t gun law changed after years meanwhile other populations of people can make such changed just in a few years. It almost seems as you may be wrong about the amount of people who are Antigun. Even a single person can change countries like ghandi or Martin Luther king junior, or Mandela. These people changed the world because of their will and strength for change, so what does America have? Are you ready for a change?
0 likesThis guy was so chill, and got $50k out of the the deal. Not bad for three days of inconvenience.
0 likes@Harry Mills I agree with your first paragraph, that what the cops did here is similar to bearing false witness and should not be considered acceptable conduct.
0 likesBut, the problem with your comparison of a sitting president being accused of a crime without evidence and then being investigated, is that the president has more waaaaay more power than an average citizen who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think it's fair for the people in positions of tremendous power over the country and world to be scrutinized more closely than the average citizen walking down the street on his way to work, building trade shows.
Also, Trump wasn't stuck in a holding cell for three days like this unfortunate citizen was. :P
@TheMattc999 But, how do you know this cop is guilty of what you're accusing him of and suggesting he be locked up for a lengthy time? Just playing devil's advocate here, but shouldn't that cop also be considered innocent until proven guilty? If your answer is no, then you're being hypocritical! :P
0 likes😂😂😂
0 likesSame
0 likesWhat about the guy who spent 2 year's in there what did he get?
0 likesWhen I was 16, (32 now) I use to run around with gang members. One time there was a drive-by shooting in the city I live in and the person was killed. After about a month, the gang task force came to my house and took me in for questioning about the shooting. When I got to the interrogation room, 1st thing they said was, "we know u did it. Ur homies said u did it and they said u buried the gun in ur backyard." I was like wtf? I said I don't know wtf u guys are talking about. They persistently kept coming at me telling me to come clean. I did get pissed and I cussed them out saying they don't know wtf they're talking about. After a while I got fed up, laughed and told them I'm f'n done talking with them. They threatened me that they'll see me in court and I'm gonna get life. I told them well then do what u f'n gotta do cuz it seems ya got no suspects so ya just pulling people in threatening them. They took me to Juvie after and I was there for a month. Court date came up and guess what my charge was? "Disorderly Conduct" for a school fight I had months back before they took me in for the "interrogation" and got expelled for. Moral of my story is that I knew I was innocent and yes I got pissed off like the innocent guy in this vid cuz of all the accusations being thrown right at ur face but I chucked it with a laugh at the end cuz my innocence was there in mind and heart.
0 likesI’ll say it again. Always ask to speak to an attorney. Do not answer any questions by the police. Let your attorney do the talking.
1 likemicheal asked for a lawyer and the dective dismissed his request, all while claiming he was giving him his rights and treating him decently. im beyond happy everything worked out in his favor but the damage is still done.
0 likesI would have liked to have seen this video framed in a way where you presented the video as a guilty person being analyzed as usual, only for you to pull the rug from under us to reveal that he was actually innocent
1 likeThis makes me sick how many people who are innocent get arrested and their lives ruined while the actual person who committed the crime skips away free
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When I used to work in the courts here in australia (As a video technician, I was the guy who set up all the video-links, fixed the VHS machines (This was the early 2000s when VHS was still a thing) and a Judge once told me that she estimates that in a jury trial about a 1/3 of the people convicted are innocent and 1/2 of the people found innocent actually did it. Non Jury trials the ratio is a lot better because judges are pretty experienced with reading body language and evaluating evidence, (Thoug they do get to hear the discarded evidence which is usually prejudicial and poor quality), but still would likely be around 1/4 innocent found guilty and 1/4 guilty found innocent.
12 likesNow, imagine that situation with the death penalty? Terrifying isn't it.
@hits*academic Great plan einstein, except what happens when your king is a criminal. Hint: Historically, thats most of them, its the whole damn reason we had to invent democracy. The only "good" kings are kings without power.
25 likesHi this topic is big for me im from Ireland I got badly beating by a garda he us a to take me from school with no warrant he get me in his car and beat me to these places that were broke int he use to beat me show me how I got into these houses then drive me to the station tel me just admit to this u can go home never had celisitor now I am fighting so fukn hard to get justice to stop this it's not fair
0 likesyou could've just stopped at : This makes me sick how many people who are innocent get arrested and their lives ruined
0 likeswe dont care about the rest.
What is going on...
2 likes@Buddy Boyy 😂
0 likes"I hAvE a DeWt-E"
0 likes@Buddy Boyy depending on what they did I fully agree
0 likesThe number of wrongly, falsely followed, harassed, indicted, charged and convicted, incarcerated is actually astounding.
0 likesAlso, last time I checked about 50% of those who are incarcerated have non violent drug offenders.
This prisons for profit and police needing to make quotas has to cease and desist.
@hits*academic We have learned from history that if there is 1 king, even if he wants to help the country, one of his offspring is eventually going to get power hungry
3 likes@hits*academic wat
1 likeFr or when there's so much evidence stacked up against them but their lawyer finds a weird loophole in the law
0 likesI agree but side note ur profile pic and name are so cute (I love Harry Potter also)
0 likesIve been arrested twice because i called the police for help the first time my gf was holding the deadbolt so i couldn't open the door. They falsified the report saying i was too drunk to open the door with my keys. I did everything right i went to the bar took a cab home then have to spend the night in jail. Was never arrested before either. Was then arrested again for my neighbor calling the cops on me they asked me to talk to them outside and cuffed and arrested me right there. They assumed i was a aggressor because my girlfriend at the time threw me into furniture with enough force to break it. Its really upsetting and i have those charges for life now.
3 likes@hits*academic ok, literally speaking what does that mean.
0 likesIt is a truly rare occurrence, but luck does exist
0 likes@hits*academic ....what?
0 likesExactly
0 likesIKR ITS SO FUNNY
0 likesHappened to my Uncle. Served 16 years wrongfully
0 likes@PlayStation2014 no one asked you lol. im glad that happened
0 likes@Buddy Boyy I would 100% agree as long as the guilty murderers and rapists who are set free are made to live in your neighborhood
0 likes@hits*academic what if the king is a tyrant? It's democratic for a reason.
0 likesThis is personally why I'm against the death penalty. Unless we can 100% guarantee that everyone is convicted correctly (which will never happen as long as humans are involved) then I am against it.
1 like@Straight Pride Is this bait? You threw the whole fishing pole.
0 likesYeah they should only arrest guilty people!
0 likesOh wait.... they actually don't know for certain who's guilty. So maybe give investigators a break.
It isn't common.
0 likesI got really angry on behalf of michael, I'm glad to hear that he got Justice
0 likesI think the difference with the first two subjects reactions are that Michael probably has been accused many more times than the second dude. That's why Michael is innocent but his reaction is unusually calm. He also knows how quickly an intense rebuttal can be labeled "aggressive" and not end well for someone like him.
0 likesWhat happened to your channel? I was watching "Wrath of Jodi" and once I refreshed the page - yt told me it's not there. I checked your channel - and many of the videos I'd frequently watched just went poof. Only 3 remaining. What happened? Your content is of such quality and I enjoy watching it s much.
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Check his Twitter
0 likesYT hypocrisy happened.
1 likeWhen you're in these situations I think it's good to call out the investigators. "Are you sure you know that? Yeah prove it to me.." etc. But ultimately best to get a lawyer...
0 likesIm glad the detectives were punished. They could have ruined this young man's life.
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Absolutely, the only thing is he's described as being 37 years old here, although he looks 10 years younger.
51 likesPurposely trying to imprison someone they know is innocent to boost their own repertoire should result in immediate termination, but at least they were punished, I guess.
116 likes@Emma yeah they should face serious punishment for what they did to that guy who was clearly innocent
9 likesUnfortunately, many lives got ruined like that, that's why I fear being at the wrong place at the wrong moment.
5 likesFor all we know they did. A false accusation even if exonerated can cause irreparable damage. It's why a suspension and demotion aren't sufficient for this detective.
5 likes@ja vin don’t fear anything my guy if u never did anything don’t worry
1 like@🌟 Brandon Uwanawich So innocent people don't go to jail?
0 likesofc am going to worry
So getting a promotion from a forced confession promotes a detective? That sounds like a defective system to me..
2 likesSalute to Michael. He got my respect for being such a smart and calm man..
0 likesI was once accused falsely that I played a role in a rape case. I experienced the same shit as Michael Dixon. My reaction was something between Michael and Justin. At first I was calm because I knew that I did not do anything. But once they told me, that one of the girls which should had been raped recognized me on one of the photos they showed to her, I was furious! It was obviously a lie because they did not arrest me or anything afterwards. They were just trying my composure. The strategics of these cops all the same all around the globe. I am from the Czech Republic by the way.
0 likesI would much sooner react like the first person. And I would definitely never lose my cool. Granted, I don't have enough of a history that burglary would land me 20 years in jail. Nor do I live in a nation where that is even possible in the first place. But I do have a history so I can understand someone actually losing his cool under the circumstances and getting angry and upset at the whole situation.
0 likesBut mostly I would remain extremely and unnervingly calm. Although, if a police officer says he has evidence that does not exist... it depends on my state of mind. I am confident enough that I would laugh off any accusations. And while in my nation even just police officers need to have a decent IQ, I know that these people are not the most intelligent people on the planet.
Cop: "We have witnesses"
24393 likesMichael: "Perfect!"
Cop: "We have footage of you."
Michael: "WONDERFUL"
Cop: Sweats profusely
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Right. No guilty person is gonna say “WONDERFUL” to that statement lol
2387 likesJacy Ann C exactly haha
84 likes@Ion Ymous Even 8 years later during the lawsuit, that cop was STILL insisting he had arrested the right guy!!! The fact that idiot is still on the force means no one is safe in Hamilton.
1270 likes@zammmerjammer ugh, that's scary
209 likes@Ion Ymous that's the saddest part. Surely it didn't even weigh on his conscience for the days following this interrogation. He couldn't care less about the guy as soon as he finished the interrogation and I bet he now sponges his guilt behind statements like "Unfortunately this things can happen" ,"I was just following protocol ", "I did everything by the book"
503 likesThat type of confidence should have at least made the inspector stop double check his facts before proceeding with the accusation.
@zammmerjammer Do you have link for the developments of this case? I can't find anything on Michael Dickson as he has the same name as a NFL player smh
64 likesAnd he took 46 000 dollars compensation for 3 days in jail. BRAVO MICHAEL, YOU GOT THEM !
292 likes@zammmerjammer he's the type with a persecution complex; nothing is his fault, everyone is against him, trying to make him look bad. The LAST person who should be in law enforcement.
211 likesLoved this part too 😊
7 likes@zammmerjammer the cop sounds British doesn’t he?
35 likes@Yto They just followed the script. The script says they have to say to the suspect that they have overwhelming evidence. They say this to absolutely everyone. They do it in the hopes the suspect will start talking. Probably many of the less intelligent (or more scared) guilty people will then instantly admit the crime, so police likely thinks it's worth a try. And it's not without reason. You shouldn't talk to police without a lawyer in general, but if you really did commit something and you know for sure they have evidence (don't believe if they say they have, they are allowed to lie), for example, you are caught red-handed, or you know the evidence is out there and easy to find, then it might be to your advantage to just admit it. The judge will likely reduce your sentence if you did so.
38 likesDenoted and suspended without pay. The righteous cull the unjust.
39 likes@suburbans nation 3 days in jail and get $46,000? Sounds like a deal to me
70 likes@Praevasc I agree but the detective when to far and he fucked himself up and got suspended without pay and demoted
30 likes@Aaron Gonzalez you aint that lucky
8 likesReminds me of those Indian tech scams. "We hav oll youre mone naw! YOu go to jale!
33 likes@Yto I mean all you need is 2 week "Training" and a Highschool Diploma
27 likeswell if you're not guilty, you have nothing to fear, witnesses will say it wasn't you and footage will also prove it.
2 likes@Yto you must not know it takes six weeks to be a cop then.
10 likesYet to be a doctor you need 8 years of schooling.
@Aaron Gonzalez Suspended, demoted.. No. well, 3 days suspension and no demotion. Promoted 6 years after though.
7 likesThe Hamilton officer who ignored the eveidenced is now a Staff Sergeant.
22 likes@Mary is Sound yeah he's english they should of sent him back over here
5 likesSeeing him instantly being called out on his bluff is a breath of fresh air on this channel I tell ya. Really puts into perspective just how aggressively defensive the innocent will get compared to the guilty.
37 likes@Da I Sending him from USA to England... Why would you be so nice to him? :O
7 likes@Yto Well, he's Australian, so...
3 likes@Matskat "In The Old Days" ? Where tf you from ? the 1600s ?
6 likes@Da I no he's Aussie
4 likesThe cops change of tone was funny after Michael asked if he was bluffing about the video footage to illicit a response.
23 likes@Rabbie Burns I wouldn't be so sure that cop was reprimanded or demoted at all.its the government we're talking about, where promotion is largely based on longevity, not competency.
5 likes@Mr.SteelinKeepit i REALLY dont think its moronic but you can have your opinion.
8 likesBad ones will be bad ones. Good ones will be overshadowed.
All the interogator could say is "I did" and Michael says we'll that makes no sense cause I didn't do it"
1 likeI have to admit I got frustrated with Michael at this point. He needed to be more assertive. There is absolutely no point in being cooperative with cops if you're being detained without charge and wrongly accused of a crime. I know he "won" in the end but a lot of people don't.
12 likes@zammmerjammer "The fact that idiot is still on the force means no one is safe in Hamilton."
12 likesThat and it is still Hamilton. 🙂
@Mr.SteelinKeepit You seriously think 8 years of studying to become a doctor is about college partying?
20 likesI suggest you see the kind of stuff freshmen have to learn about. Everyday it’s about memorizing organic chemistry and biochemical pathways/maps, interpreting 100s of graphs so that you can recognize what’s happening in a split-second, while keeping in mind there are caveats to everything. It’s a nightmare.
There maybe bad doctors out there because doctors don’t like making and getting blamed for risky medical decisions by patients’ family and stick to routine benign solutions, but I guarantee you, at least the studying part is very rigorous.
@suburbans nation good! This makes me feel better I felt so bad for these guys watching this
0 likes@Devin the Developer no he’s not
3 likes@Ace Mc Cool Yes, he is.
1 like@Devin the Developer may have been to Australia for a period of time.But his accent is British.
6 likes@Angus Black Alabama?
0 likesI hope my answer would be, If you have all of that evidence, why are we even talking.
4 likes@zammmerjammer good thing I moved lol
2 likes@zammmerjammer He should have been fired though. So infuriating.
2 likesCop: We got... DNA evidence. And Satellite data. And god himself told me you did it. Will you confess now?
6 likes@Mr.SteelinKeepit if becoming doctor is so easy, why isnt everyone a doctor? outside america university education is free. Why isn't everyone a doctor there?
4 likesI loved that part. Michael did way better than I would've
2 likesThat cop should be in jail
2 likes@Mary is Sound He’s Australian.
0 likesI felt terrible for the ginger dude with the beard. He’s already messed up once and it sure as hell seemed like he was was doing everything in his power to do right. His fear is palpable. He knows he’s going down for something he didn’t do. He spent 2.5 years in jail for that offense. There is no amount of money that can make that right. He’s going to be mistrustful the rest of his life.
6 likesEspecially when the witness testimony was a small bald white guy was the criminal
0 likes@Bhodisatvas seems like he lives there
0 likesSo we have proof
1 likeMichael:you sure about that
Cop:sweats like a waterfall
The guy just played the UNO reverse card.
4 likes@Aaron Gonzalez He was also held in curfew in his house for 9 month. All of a sudden it seems much less attractive.
2 likes@Rabbie Burns no my friend millions upon millions he got what he deserved in humiliation
1 likeMicheal also did a drawing.
2 likes@Bhodisatvas this genuinely made me laugh haha
0 likesReminds me of the time a guy tried to pay with two counterfeit $20s, and when I didn't return them to him after informing him they were fake, he threatened to call the police. "Please do."
3 likesNow why was someone recording at that time-
0 likes@Mary is Sound South African, actually.
2 likes@Aaron Gonzalez Hell yeah. I’d do it
0 likes@Kreutzer It ain't free everywhere. But, yes, this is what Cuba did. When you didn't have wage-slavery, nobody wanted to harvest sugar-cane (back-breaking, horrible work). In 2007, they sent 19,000 doctors. Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined. Out of a country of 11.33 million.
1 likeFunny thing is I'm not a trained cop, and even I can tell he's telling the truth. 🤣
0 likes@Matskat Bro you preheated the oven to 220 degrees, and left him for 3 hours until golden
1 likeHe should have added "Well, I hope you can show this video in court because if you are lying to get me to confess and I spend even a day in jail because of your lies and lack of any reason to hold me, I'll sue the hell out of this place and you personally for harassment".
2 likesNow, folks, remember this: cops will NEVER be trying to get you to confess if they actually have the necessary proof to nail you. The fact that they are trying to get you to confess should give you a degree of confidence that you might be OK. Lawyer up and shut up is the best advice anyone can give if you are accused of something.
Guess he wasn't getting that promotion, lol. Seriously though, screw that cop. What a terrible detective.
2 likes@Ruby Rose damn you fine, watchu doin tonight?
0 likes@Rabbie Burns 14 million instead of just thousands lol
0 likes@Mary is Sound Aussie /South African
1 like🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@Praevasc I agree with you up until the advice about it being to your "advantage to just admit it" if caught "red handed". is absolutely untrue. It does not have any affect on your sentencing. As someone who worked in a law office I have never seen a Judge take a confession into consideration of sentencing. A confession benefits the officer more than you, believe that. The only right thing to say is to request a lawyer and say nothing else, even if you think they have evidence against you.
1 likeCop: No. This isn't how you are supposed to play the game.
0 likesReminds me of poker when they keep calling your raise and you’re holding garbage LOL
0 likes@zammmerjammer 💯
0 likes@Grand Turtle that’s how it always goes. He held the blue line and gets rewarded. Doesn’t matter if it’s right, ethical, or moral.
0 likes@Galapagos Smooth what? did u not even watch the episode LOL he literally gave an example of why this isn’t the case
1 likehawa diakite
0 likesLMAO
0 likesI'd love to see that go to court. "Okay, let's the footage of the accused".
0 likes@Jacy Ann C Eh, you'd be amazed.
0 likes@Aaron Gonzalez long tedious lawsuit efforts and lost time that could have bern directed toward loved ones ambitions and other precious rewarding prioritoes - time stolen that youll Never be able to give back, , compensated nearly TEN YEARS LATER - alot of peoole arenteven ALIVE ten years kater.
1 likeIt wasnt like a GUMBALL MACHINE, Unfortunately.
@D D L oh shit nvm then thought he got it like a month later or something
1 like@Aaron Gonzalez Right? I did too at first and felt kind of Happy!
0 likesyeah stupid bluff xD
0 likesThe cop must’ve been trying to call his bluff and it so clearly wasn’t working lmao
0 likesFor me as a German its allways frightening to see how U.S. cops behave while interviewing suspects. I get the feeling that they dont care who, but that someone gets convicted to push their own carreer.
0 likes@Aaron Gonzalez depends on your experiences in jail. I doubt that a lifelong trauma is worth that.
0 likes@Abby Cross the FOP/IA/Legal team strongly suggests he make this claim as it opens up a can of worms, shakes public trust, threatens finding and power structure
0 likes@Praevasc the sentencing has more to do with precedence, age, prior convictions and socio-economics…… than your helpfulness
0 likesYou wanna know the worst?
4 likesIm pretty sure Most of the people who gets away after 2 years with proof of them being innocent or anything like that will just be sent back to their house and nothing else
No money given as compensation, nothing, absolutely nothing
Omg that ending is sooo good! This kind of thing happens way too much. It’s almost always because of lazy and usually criminal police work and detectives.
0 likesMy experience of this is on a much smaller scale, but I remember as a teenage girl answering the front door to find a police officer there looking for someone. I kept telling him that no one by that name lived at this address, but the officer just got angrier and more accusatory, as if I was lying to hide this person. Eventually he said "Look, I know he lives here at 123 Redacted Street, so--" "This is 123 Redacted Road." "...what?" the look on his face. He'd spent a good 10min arguing with a teenage girl when he was the fool turning up at the wrong address. I wonder if he still sometimes remembers and cringes. I sure hope so.
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theres been cases where they sent entire swat raids to the wrong address. thats ccrazy
1 likeWere all taught to respect police when growing up and all these detectives are dishonest and lie. So sad it brings tears to my eyes.
1 likeIt is so uncomfortable to watch these innocent people being treated like criminals.
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watch the Netflix show confessions, it'll make you cry. convinced this guy he killed his mom
55 likesIt happens everyday. Sad!
30 likes@0397rb i would take anything on Netflix with a grain of salt
33 likes@Deb Rogers being as a police officer sucks only to silence us. They even killed George Floyd and the other guy too.
3 likesIt's more common than criminals being treated this way. There are always more suspects than guilty people, and coos don't give a shit if you're actually guilty or not. They just want to fill their quotas.
15 likesThat is why it is called “Guilty until proven innocent”
3 likes@GloriousMane They're treated like this so they can to find out who the criminal is, hello?? It's not about quotas it's about putting the right people away. They can't just magically tell apart who is guilty and who is not. Would you rather them just imprison every suspect instead?
4 likes@0397rb confession tape maybe? bc i cant fins smt called confessions :/
1 likeExcept the guy that murdered his whole family he did do that lol
1 likeAnd from this video you should learn to feel same about supposed 'criminals', too, because you never know for real! Human error is not just frequent, humans actually are walking errors!
1 like@guava So you're saying a small white man that's absolutely not related to a tall black man would help solve the case?
0 likesIt is so uncomfortable to watch anyone being treated like that.
0 likesThere are current around 1.8 million incarcerated people in the US. 1% of them are innocent. That is 18,000 innocent people behind bars. That is not acceptable.
0 likes@pistondriven556 it's much MUCH more than 1%.
0 likes@Kritav Shah No, obviously this is an exception, which there are exceptions to everything
0 likes@GloriousMane there arent quotas you gotta understand that theyd thought they were guilty these are unique legal mess ups and incompetence on the part of the officers and prosecuters I hate to see it but cops are necessary and not all bad the work they do just gets blown out of proportion
0 likes@guava yeah but this is incompetent and brash assumptions made by incompetent cops
0 likeswhen they see us got everyone crying
0 likes@guava Id rather every police force be disbanded and people arm and defend themselves. Quit pretending police forces are ANYTHING other than a well organized gang.
0 likes@Mark Pipo i mean floyd died via suicidal overdose on fentanyl. He couldnt breathe while still sitting alone in his car. Police fuck up all the time but to imply floyd died of anything besides an od is just disingenuous and patently false
0 likes@Spiritcr1jsher it's the actual video, you can research the case log. it's credible..
0 likes@thellamalina it's called The Confession Tapes
1 like@Jude Goche not quotas but there's money from the government linked to their arrest records, incarceration rates.. so, basically there is one
0 likes@0397rb im sure it's true but Netflix documentaries tend to add in some things for hype
0 likes@0397rb thx
0 likesThis almost happened to me, the fact I was in my work uniform saved my ass
0 likesWHY ARE YOUR VIDEOS DISAPPEARING? last I checked there was like five left and now there’s only three of them 😭
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Yea idk
1 likeso emotional !!!! I actually teared up for a whole day after watching this video, truly a piêce of art that I would recommend to my 1 years old sister
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i agree !!!
0 likesare you ok??
1 likeThat term "will be used AGAINST you" means what it says. Anything you say to a police officer / investigator that could be used as your defense, wil ultimately remain discarded until YOUR lawyer obtains that information.
1 likeYou need to understand something important, when you are arrested, you have just become a player in a very serious game. Only issue is, you have been raised to trust our judicial system, you've been tought by society that cops are the good guys. And they are, but only up until you are pitted against them in this game of absolute ridiculousness.
For Christ sakes, we look up to a grown ass adult who wears a black bath robe to work, where he plays with a tiny wooden mallet?? Plus the worst possible aspect of this game is that if there is no video evidence, no DNA, no figer prints, no actual evidence at all, your oponite, (the prosecution) will revert back to the worst, most unreliable sources possible. And the public will see these lie detector test results, or eye whiteness testimony, jail house snetches, shoe print analysis, clothing analysis, and many many more things we humans have used as long back as when we murdered people for witchcraft, as the most solid and daming evidence ever. Who needs to be positive when ole Beth Barns saw his silhouette jump the fence 4days before the crime ever took place, right? No, i mean we dont need to take a long hard look at how we run our society and judicial system, not at all, the only thing we update is our computers' operating system, to ensure that we can store more ridiculously wacked out bullshit we call fact / reality.
it must be so terrifying to be in a room with someone confidently telling you that you are guilty for something you had literally NOTHING to do with. my anxiety is so bad in normal living situations. i’m quite confident i would have a stroke of some sort!
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Oh my God I can't even imagine. The full force of the government is coming down on your head and stuffing you into a cage for something you had absolutely nothing to do with. And what can you do? Just telling the truth isn't good enough. You have to prove that you didn't do what was done. (Yeah yeah innocent until proven guilty isn't always the way it's done. A cop's word is basically 90% of the way to conviction if it's a judge deciding it, and 75% of the way if it's jury. If you don't have hard evidence to prove your innocence or irrefutably contradict the officer's testimony, then that sworn statement and no further evidence is enough to get you convicted)
50 likesAnd what makes this sort of thing even worse is you don't even really need to have a perfect storm of bad luck resulting in genuinely mistaken identity or something for this to happen. The perp might be a short white dude and you might be a tall black guy, but they'll arrest you anyway and even refuse to entertain the possibility that your tall black self is not in fact a stubby white guy.
Facts
0 likesSame
0 likesOmg same as me
0 likes@angry zergling yes, and then what's worse is some people are so anxious and scared they will then confess to a crime they didn't even commit
5 likesGives very much The Trial by Kafka vibes. It's surreal thinking an eerily similar scenario exists and is often played out.
0 likesFr I would probaly break down
0 likes@Teresa Roberts Oh yeah, it's certainly happened. Historically such tactics have been used on people with mental disabilities in particular.
3 likesAs such people may have a reduced comprehension on how present actions may effect their future, they may do whatever necessary to get themselves out of an unpleasant, present circumstance with zero regard to the consequences.
i.e., they realize if they confess that will end the scary interrogation they're currently facing, but they do not understand they're trading a few hours of present comfort for years and years in a prison cell in the future.
Very scary and unjust.
In middle school this cop threatened me with hurting me so that I’d confess to something I didn’t do. I was a kid, I was so afraid I just confessed to something I didn’t do so that it would end!! At the time I didn’t realize how evil and wrong what he was doing was!!
3 likes@Big A Yikes. =( Even worse it happened to you as a child. Bad enough to do that to adults, but a KID in SCHOOL? Very sad.
0 likesStory that will make your skin crawl: many years ago I woke up to a flash of light outside of my window at like 5 am, and all of a sudden my entire house was flooded with FBI agents. They woke up all of my family members and herded us into the living room to be monitored while they brought my dad downstairs to interrogate him for about 2 hrs and 1/2. Screaming in his face that they knew he was guilty. That they know what he’d done. That they’d been watching him. What did they think he did? They had gotten the OK from a judge to raid our home and arrest my father as part of a giant country-wide sting into a massive online child pornography ring. My dad was so traumatized by the interrogation that he would wake up in a panic for MONTHS. My dad insisted that they could literally track his time card at work and his phone activity and whatnot. He had proof that all he did was wake up in the morning, go to work all day, and barely spend a few hours with his family before bed. Somehow, he was able to convince him that they were looking for the wrong guy. They took our computers to do further investigation. Come to find out a few weeks later that there was another bust and that our neighbor’s very creepy, reclusive family member had been living in their basement and using OUR unsecured (NEVER LEAVE YOUR NETWORK UNSECURED—we hadn’t realized it was.) WIFI network to download and distribute child porn. Fucking sicko. The saddest part is that there were two small children living on the premises :(
3 likesWhat’s insane is that a judge somewhere was able to sign off on a raid on our home and thought these things of my father based on someone else’s disgusting behavior and could’ve easily ruined his life, if not his professional reputation if what had happened was to be made public somehow. Truly terrifying.
if i was in his situation my anxiety would make me act suspicious as fuck omg
0 likes@TheChillyCucumber dude thats my mightmare
0 likesI would find it somewhat amusing, as did Michael, obviously. His reaction doesn't seem odd at all to me. Guilty people, in my experience, often react in a far more defensive manner.
0 likesI would not have believed 8n this level of incompetence if it weren't on video.
0 likesSame. I have a really similar demeanor to this guy. I would probably fall into the exact situation. Scares the crap out of me.
0 likesYoaghhh, he even drew a map🤦♀️🤦♀️
0 likesSame. I think I would be in jail due to my anxiety plus having a bad memory. I wouldn't be able to prove myself innocent.
0 likesOmg same, I felt stressed the f out for him when the instigator said that. I would gotten made like the first guy.
0 likesBeen there, luckily not the police and just some idiots accusing me of stealing, it’s very hard to prove your innocence when it’s your word against many
0 likesMe too
0 likesThey are literally gaslighting him
0 likesI've literally experienced this.
0 likesThe interrogator isn't confident: He is actually shitty at his job and he knows it.
Such a good guy seriously! Hope this didn't alter his personality too much, good thing he won his civil trial! :)
0 likesI feel like even if I wasn't guilty of a crime I'd still be nervous as if I was guilty due to the possibility of false imprisonment.
0 likeshow does this dude stay so calm i would literally be sobbing lmao.
0 likesLove the end of that video man so glad that pure gent got 46k for his troubles shame the officers didn’t get sacked but at least the got demoted ! Class channel
2 likesThis haha shame there’s only 17 vids
Its sad seeing an innocent man desperately trying to defend himself.
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Cancel culture has cost many lives and people's career lost, this why we need law to supress it not censor it( cough article 13)
616 likes@Miguel Ramirez johnny depp
152 likes@Miguel Ramirez what's the point of cancel culture? 😂
48 likes@Miguel Ramirez Carloz do made a good example people getting cancel like Depp, even chris hemsworth and cris pratt are getting cancelled, one because he does not like the state of hollywood culture and the other because his faith, like dude wth? I have a muslim friend I did not like the religion but there is no way i would hate them because of it, you see cancel culture are nothing but a yelling at the wrong space but for some reason it hit someone that does not make anything bad at all on the space, one mess up case is like Indie game developer Alec that commit game end over accusation with very little proofs even after his death his family pretending he is guilty because his pass messed up action he pretty much regret which is not even related to the said accusation to him. Just like a wise man said "if you have people said about accusation this and that, give them one question 'is there any proofs? The police record? Anything that is really strong enough?' If not don't trust it "and also "if someone said this is my truth, that person basicaly said even my accusation proven to be false it's still right based on my mind" this is the mindset of cancel culture but a sad but true glimpse quote of no matter how strong the proves if he is guilty or not even if you show it infront of their eyes, some will still not gonna believe it . Sorry for the long and late post.
87 likesBLUE LIES MATTER
43 likes@SueDenim Blue Lies Murder
260 likes@SueDenim Ho thanks for commenting it. I didn't knew the term and went to check on it, It was a great read. If it were not for you to say it, maybe I would never know it. So thanks :)
0 likes"The radar has become black, we lost him."
58 likes"The raider has become black?! There, I see him!"
Makes you wonder how many people have been locked up or even executed for a crime they did not commit.
73 likesDon’t speak a word. Demand a lawyer.
77 likes[not my account] It’s sad being in that position. And sadder once the relief wears off when you realize that they held you in that stupid little room for 30 solid hours and beat the shit out of you because they didn’t really care about finding the right guy. They wanted to close a report in a way easy for the da to deal with.
26 likesYou fuckers had DNA from the guy the WHOLE time. You could’ve swabbed me the whole time. Actual investigation only needed to take 15 mins. You wanted to put me down for a decade because I was the guy you had, instead of a guy you had to look for still, and you misjudged me as easy to break.
@Chen Chen Johnny Depp
2 likes@Jesus Christ do... do you even know what schizophrenic means..?
2 likes... to lying cops, who give good cops a bad name.
4 likes@angela nadeau Good cops quit, get framed, or get killed.
15 likesMarginally decent cops stay part of the system without speaking up against what they know goes down while perpetrating little of it.
There’s a difference.
@Vivashvan Bhushan Johnny Depp's situation was a civil litigation matter, not a criminal matter. His job on the Harry Potter film is also a civil matter. The "guilty until proven innocent" standard in criminal matters is not actually the same as in civil matters. If you think Depp has legal recourse over his firing, please explain how. I think it's lame that they fired him, but he did start a lawsuit where in the course of losing that suit, the judge said that the evidence regarding domestic violence were credible. It should be a lesson to all of us to not start fights we can't win.
6 likesnot a great place to be.
1 like@The Notorious Artorias many...
0 likes@Chen Chen COMPARING CANCLE CULTURE TO THIS LMAOOO bro you don't live in the real world - get off twitter/internet once in a while damn
46 likes@Alan Gonzalez really? You think internet does not make people losing their career? What type of camel logic is that. Have you ever hear smear campaign dude?
7 likes@Jesus Christ lmao you think racism is made up?
5 likesUsed to it
0 likesYeah. It's heart wrenching.
1 likeWho feels knows it. Been there.
2 likes@Chen Chen has always
0 likesBest way is "don't talk to cops"
4 likes@Daltira this!
0 likessame man
0 likes@Julia Wegner interesting, how many years of law enforcement do you have?
0 likes@Chen Chen most of the time cancel culture doesn’t really cancel shit
5 likesIm in this position right now. It aint easy. But here I am studying up on as many videos as possible
0 likesSame here!
0 likesHe got 46,000 dollars out of it, I think he's fine now
0 likesJombo better crying than trying because pointless
0 likesBeen there man , it sucks
0 likesThat’s why every innocent person should get a criminal attorney! Never talk to the police!
1 like@Chen Chen what has that got to do with anything lol
2 likesIt seems my comment screw some people off too close from their house
0 likesI don't know why, but it's even more depressing seeing an innocent man calmly trying to explain himself, and being shut down by a liar
2 likes@Chen Chen Bro stop blaming it on cancel culture, people have been getting cancelled and wrongfully convicted way before now
3 likesCancel culture, like going after video games, saying D&D is satanic, etc. Yeah cancel culture has been around for millennia
0 likes@Wesley Ferguson damn man something gotta give this can’t go on no more I’m so sorry 😞
0 likes@Curtis the Moonboy ptsd doesn’t give a shit about your bank account btw.
0 likes@Cat Without A Name because it’s futile and despair that you feel .
0 likes@Lulu Bugz update. I beat the allegations
1 like@Wesley Ferguson I’m happy for you man.
0 likesTruly wish you the best .
Kaiser Reinhard?! What are you doing here??
0 likes@Chen Chen
0 likes....I don't really think cancel culture has anything to do with this lol
HELLO, MY BROTHER
0 likes@IVER MECTIN based
0 likesAnd also seeing him slowly realize that there’s nothing he can do. And that he’s going to jail for something he didn’t do
0 likesI’m screaming at my tv right now “please get an attorney right now” guilty or innocent always get an attorney and don’t talk to police without an attorney present. Especially a cop like this who is clearly incompetent and a giant pos. I wouldn’t give this officer a glass of water if he was on fire
0 likesso you say
0 likesGive guy should be a detective or get him a job working as manager in a law firm. That was incredible work on how to maintain your composure and contain your emotions. Brilliant.
0 likesAT LEAST he had the ability to verbally defend himself somewhat. Some people are threatened into not doing so. That is why it is imperative that the cameras in cells/interrogation rooms also film head-on the interrogator. Because, the officer can be giving not verbal threats and cues, which the subject has been conditioned to understand beforehand. People just don't understand.
0 likes@Daltira and pray the lawyer's any good
0 likesIt's so satisfying to hear that all of the officers involved in Michael's case were demoted and suspended without pay. I just wish he'd gotten more than 46k out of the settlement.
0 likesThe cops know these people are not smart if they say ANYTHING without a lawyer present.
2 likesI was so glad to hear that he got compensated and the officers were suspended.
0 likesFunny enough, without the benefit of handsight, if someone saw this without knowing this dude was already innocent, they could interpret his calm demeanor as that of a criminal.
0 likesI hate being accused of little things like eating someone else’s food. I couldn’t even imagine being put through this.
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Bro reminds me of my sister if anything went wrong it was my fault
39 likes@elgur valid point
21 likesIt happened to me on a serious assault charge and I'm not ashamed to say I vomited multiple times from the stress. Fun times.
39 likes@elgur you can’t stop me!!
3 likesWas about to say the same thing! This is basically my worst nightmare tbh
5 likes@The Nefarious I’m so sorry that happened
4 likes@TIV67 Playz huh?
2 likesWell to be honest we all know you did eat that food, I mean we got you on camera.
4 likes@TIV67 Playz You are scaring people away from your religion. You know that, right?
5 likesLiterally what I was just thinking!! I would lose my fucking mind
1 likeive always said one of my biggest pet peeves is being accused of something i didnt do or that's wasnt my true intentions
1 likeExactly the sort of defensiveness I would expect from a food-stealer...
4 likesbeen there where they lied about video when i said well lets watch so i can prove i was not there, he then claims they did a picture line and i was pulled, so he ignores what i said to tell another lie great. luckily the officer was smart enough to realize i was inocent and he couldn't get me to say or do anything wrong and i knew my rights but was a long 4 hours talking after waiting a hour in the interigation room.
0 likes@EineKartoffel why does jesus need a advertiser? Is he so much out of trend 😂😂
1 like@into the oblivion LOL
0 likesI still can't understand why people think that this is a good way to advertise their religions.
@The Nefarious I went through the same shit
0 likesSame when somebody farted
0 likes@HappyScreams Oh no, that's awful. Hope you're doing ok now.
1 like@TIV67 Playz thanks man hope you are doing well God bless you
0 likes@TIV67 Playz I'm Buddhist LMAO stop trying to indoctrinate people with this stuff in a comment section that has nothing to do with it. Nobody asked, stop trying to convert people, this isn't the 1600s.
1 like🤣
0 likes@elgur you have a point
0 likes@TIV67 Playz you’re making people avoid your religion not join it😂
0 likes@TIV67 Playz I don't know man. Your comment makes me not wanna be a Christian even more.
0 likesOr stealing someones sweatrool in skyrim
0 likes@The Nefarious Same to you! Thankfully it's just an annoying charge on my record, even though the case was dismissed.
1 likeAbsolutely disgusting the way they treated him and he still had the decency to be polite! GOD LOVE HIM THIS WAS HARD TO WATCH! 😟
0 likeswatching this now i realize how wrong i was doing it as a kid trying to convince my parents that it wasn’t me who did it
1 likeI noticed the investigators were punished/demoted and he won a settlement. This was in Canada. In the US, nothing happens to the investigators when they perform this way.
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It usually doesn't in Canada either. It's more of a government in general thing. Most people in power never face any consequences for anything they do.
0 likesCurious to hear the whole story of the Ontario guy who was falsely accused. How the hell could that have happened? Just because he was in the area, but no one checked the suspect description, or even cared if there was any indication at all that he was connected in any way to the crime.
2 likes“Suspect is a small white dude."
13451 likes"Okay, we got him."
Brings back Dwayne Johnson
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Lmfao so ture
143 likesIt’s about lies, its about power, we take advantage of our hours so all freedom is devoured
779 likes@1t legendary
67 likesGoing home while black
96 likes"as well as not being white, DIXON is 6'3" !hahahaha
181 likeshahaha
2 likesDude, I think you just wrote yourself a franchise!
7 likes@Mandy Moo Yup! %100 in this case! NO EXCUSE! Those pigs are SICK! NO probable cause, and flimsy reasonable suspicion...One phone call should have relieved their suspicion...Most OBVIOUS example of "Find a random black dude", I have ever seen!
76 likes@1t dayum
2 likesA similar thing happened with the Zodiac killer. After he killed the cab driver in SF, some witnesses saw the killer flee the car. They described him as a small white man, but the dispatcher told cops it was a large black man. They said it was a “misunderstanding” but I heard the call audio, they very clearly said a white man, Idk how that dispatcher could have possibly gotten “black man” from what the witnesses said.
63 likesWe got em boys
3 likesLOL
0 likesLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
0 likesLMAOO
0 likesTurns out the guy had the Rock solid alibi.
7 likesLMFAO
0 likesLmfaooooo
0 likesHAHAHHA
0 likes@Chalchiuhtlicue It's a way to keep the agenda of Division of society by the PTB.
1 like@Mandy Moo don’t forget his number one crime of getting off the bus while black, this cop is a terrible person
13 likes@Mandy Moo all while living in Texas
0 likes(or china)
@1t BARZ
0 likes@Miklós Donner stop being silly delete your comment then I will delete mine
10 likes@1t amazing comment
0 likesThe guy they caught even looks like a deflated Dwayne :D
0 likes@Chalchiuhtlicue did he have hearing problems?
0 likesAlso, not the U.S.A.
0 likesThierry Henry
2 likesSuspect is a green man about 2 ft tall with a very long beard and very, very, VERY long toes. I mean the size of em is astounding.
2 likesBrings in a 13 ft tall woman who is brighter and whiter than the sun with no hair, so little hair in fact it’s been theorized she has no hair follicles. Not to mention the fact she has no toes.
*dwayne "the pebble" johnson
1 like@1t bars
0 likes@Brent Farvors that's how I see 99% of such cases in US
1 likeWell Dwayne Johnson is huge
0 likes🤣 🤣 🤣 welcome to Murica
0 likesthat's not even funny dude
0 likesKimbo slice
0 likes😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
0 likes@1t spittin bars behind bars
1 like@1t lmaoooo good one bro
0 likesLmaooo facts brodi
0 likes@1t this is gold
0 likes:D :D :D :D :D
0 likesOfficer says, what's your name
0 likesRock says "it doesn't matter what's my name is"!!
@1t LMFAAAOOOO
0 likesLmao
0 likes@Doogs "it doesn't matter what's my name is"? Kid get back to fortnite
0 likesThe number of innocent people sitting in prison right now is astronomical.... thank you for showing us this side of interrogations because this happens every day.
0 likesPolice being allowed to lie is sinful!
1 likeThis 'investigator' should never be allowed to investigate crimes ever again. I can't even imagine the thoughts going through these innocent peoples minds, thinking they're going to be convicted of something they never did. Truly terrifying
0 likesSo pleased to hear that detective got demoted! Should’ve been fired for the shit show of an interrogation!
0 likes"youre going to prison."
7537 likes"but im innocent."
"youre going to prison. "
"ok, but can i phone my work? "
MOST PATIENT MAN IN THE WORLD.
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Hi boss. I might be 30 years to life late tomorrow.
700 likes💀
27 likes@Ol Dirty 🤣🤣
21 likes@Ol Dirty 🤣
2 likes@Ol Dirty chilll😂😂
6 likes@Ol Dirty 😂😂😂😂 this is iconic
3 likes@Ol Dirty 😂 😂 I’m gone
3 likes@Ol Dirty lmao
1 like@Ol Dirty As it is said, funny joke, scary situation
2 likesA black man that knows how the world works, unfortunately
6 likes@Hermes Almeida That sounds extremely racist
0 likes@Aspid it's just systemic racism, sweetheart
5 likes@Laura Almagro I'm not sure what you mean by "systemic"
0 likes@Aspid oh, well, look it up, man, you are gonna find it
6 likesLike Ray Parker I ain't scared of no ghost!
0 likesWhile I recognize that the investigator might seem quite unsufferable for most of the western audience here, as someone who has lived extensively both in Syria and Egypt that cop is nowhere near the level of dishonesty, corruption and impunity I've unfortunately witnessed.
8 likesA relative of mine spent a week being tortured for no reason before being freed, and that's after our family was threatened into silence.
I have some friends that where forced to bribe officers because they were envious of their cars and threatened to fine them if they didn't pay up.
And never ever could we dream of being financially compensated for being unlawfully imprisoned.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people in "the West" lack perspective of the not-primarily-English-speaking parts of the world.
0 likesWhile the US Justice has areas, like police conduct/procedure, where it is worse than some other "Western" countries like the UK, in many ways it is still better than a lot of the world.
For example, you can't just literaly bribe your way out of prison for a few hundred thousand USD like you can in some areas of the Middle East and Asia, and probably some parts of Africa as well I'd bet.
At least our officers actually, genuinely try to do justice even if they and their methods are very flawed and problematic and could be much better in many ways.
Micheal kept his composure in a very intelligent way through out the interrogation with that dimwitted cop. Sadly he had to endure that grave engagement...
0 likesThese people need to sue the dog shi* out of these police departments. This is wrong on so many levels!!!!
1 likeI've been in this situation. Almost destroyed my life.
0 likesJCS heard us asking for an innocent person being interrogated and he delivered wonderfully. Thanks dude!
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Yes, awesome man
23 likesJCS one of the all time great YouTube channels!! A+ content and he responds to viewer requests.
37 likesY'all do know that the narrator of these videos doesn't create them, right? JCS is a group of people.
14 likesHopefully he can deliver more!!
1 likeDelivered what was ordered. Good service. 5 stars 🌟
2 likesThe gods have answered our prayers 🙏🏼 I haven’t even started the video yet but based off your comment I’m running with my statement 🙏🏼 we’ve been blessed boys
2 likesmooltz Ok, so JCS is not one person, but a group of people. So what you’re implying is that the original poster on this thread should’ve said DUDES instead of dude? GMAFB! I’m sure you can figure out the acronym I just spewed. If I’m wrong, so be it.
7 likesYou should check out Netflix’s Confession’s Tapes... a real eye opener
2 likesyessssss
1 likeHe really did it. There’s love for this channel
2 likesYour account looks like it belongs in 2012. I thought your breed of teen girl died out years ago. How have you managed to survive for this long? I realize I might sound rude, but I'm not trying to be. I'm not passing any judgment. I am genuinely curious.
1 like@Dally H. @Dally H. it was an interesting era to be a tween in. I think it's okay to let people replicate/continue that. (Like to a certain degree. Part of growing is maturing out of obsessions and into interests. And uh, yea some people don't do that when they grow up. But anyways, who can say where the boundary even lies between the two, and also I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a continued interest in past contents or pop culture, as long as it's not making you shrivel up into someone who hates the present or bums people out.)
3 likesAnd I'm sure there are new youths who stumble across that period and part of the internet and fall down the rabbit hole anew. Dunno where this person lies!
I know you weren't being hateful or anything!! Just putting in my two cents, as someone who was into all that in its prime. (Haven't checked in with that in a while, don't really know when the prime "ended"?)
Dixon is so much of a quality guy - I feel bad this happened to him. This was an injustice. They didn't have sufficient evidence to hold him and a good attorney probably would have gotten a release. Poor guy
0 likes@mooltz Sure! But the narrator is good. 👍🏻
0 likesNow do one on any one of these "medical officers" or politicians talking about the scamdemic.
0 likesThey should get paid big time!!! Miscarriage of justice and emotional/ mental pain they went through is unbelievable. I feel so bad for them 😡
0 likesI got picked up in Tullahoma, Tennessee after leaving a liquor store. The lady called the police and said I was the guy who robbed her the week before. Less than five minutes and I'm being swarmed by these schmucks. I just froze and said wtf, they said yep, better cuff him. Asked me a bunch of dumb shit at the police station, never took the cuffs off me. Asked me what I had to say for myself, told them they got the wrong guy, what does that say about you, not long them another detective walks in and says he doesn't fit the description. Asked me to come back the following Friday for a polygraph. I said sure, but that was the only lie I told.
1 likeI was wondering why the cop was actually being so nice and then realized it was in Canada
0 likesDispatch: “Suspect is a white male”
4 likesCops: “We have a black dude wearing a white t shirt…”
Detective: “that’s good enough for me
I'm so glad the officers in Micheal's case were punished for their actions. Officers are in a unique position where their fuck ups, laziness, or selfishness can infringe on rights of others. Accountability is paramount for the trust of the public.
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@sophiaa this booty intro doesn’t have anything to do with this video gtfo
38 likes@Amelia Bee That's bc this happened in Canada, not America lol
36 likesThat was really well said.
0 likes@sophiaa what is the point of posting these links on crime analysis videos? If you are thirsty for views this is a really weird way to try to get them no?
18 likes@sophiaa You’re self promoting your video? That’s just sad. I don’t know why you feel success getting views by peoples getting baited. No one has interest to your video. There is no success about getting false views.
12 likesThat pfp fits your comment.
0 likesWell said! 👏
0 likes@Amelia Bee Bc in the US the police are not held to the standard of following the law, merely enforcing it on others.
7 likesYou can clearly see a gentle soul just by speaking with Michael,and you can see the innocence of you were not biased shame on them
1 likewas this in the united states? or canada? lol
0 likesthey dont need someone to be guilty, they just need someone to go to jail
2 likes@sophiaa opened the link just to unlike. Stop posting links unrelated to other videos.
0 likesWhen detectives are coercing, being manipulative, and threatening to hold them in jail is fucking dead wrong. Although, I can understand some pathological liars that can stay calm, and these detectives are using these tactics. However, I would be so PISSED when I am telling the truth, and they are accusing me that I am a liar to the point that I would get agitated, and they will finally call me dangerous and crazy. That part is scary.
0 likesThis man is much better than me with patience. I would be calling them every derogative in the book if I was falsely imprisoned. I grew up never being believed and had that same "if you're loud you're guilty" experience growing up i just would not be able to handle that
0 likesThe first guy is the reason why you should ALWAYS ask for a lawyer before answering any questions, even though you know you are perfectly innocent and don't even know why you've been arrested.
0 likesI was once picked out of a photo lineup by a woman who had her purse stolen. I was at the dermatologist that day and when I got home did a few things. Went out to hang out with a few friends a few hours after I got home. I get a call from my mother saying there’s police at the door and they need to speak to me, they wouldn’t tell her what about.
0 likesSo I walk to my house, they tell me that a lady picked me out of the photo book and they need me to come to the station to do a lineup. I go without a problem because I know I didn’t do it. I get into the interrogation room and after being questioned i wrote a two page statement of what I did and where I was that day.
They do a lineup and you’ll hear knocks on the window if the person picks you (ie 3 knocks if you’re number three, one knock if you’re number one). The detective comes out into the hallway and says “oh fuck”, I heard that and think that’s great news for me because she must have not picked me. He goes back into the room with her and then I hear the knocks.
Just so happens that I knew someone who was arrested in the cell next to the room where the witnesses look at the suspects in the lineup. On the way to central booking he told me that he overheard the detective saying to the lady “it could’ve been him maybe he was wearing a wig”. If I would’ve had a lawyer present then I wouldn’t have had that happen.
After about ten to twelve hours (plus the additional five or six I was in the precinct) in central booking and being the last person in the room out of like forty people, an officer gets me and lets me out the back door. I never found out what happened and why they let me go.
Literally, the most fucking demoralizing thing to be told when you're actually innocent:
2038 likes"Your innocence is not up for discussion."
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Well honestly, the cop was right. His innocence wasn't up for discussion. And honestly, an interrogation room is not the place to fight for your innocence either. ESPECIALLY if you are innocent.
50 likesThat’s why you don’t believe that. If someone tells you your innocence isn’t in question, assume they’re lying.
66 likes@Last First If someone is a cop, assume they are lying.
112 likes@fetchstix™ an answer so right you posted it twice.
6 likes@Altus Show That actually happened to me once. I think it's just a glitch that happens. You post once and then, for some reason, the comment gets posted twice. Not sure why that happens, but it happened to me on occasion
5 likesYou are innocence is not up for discussion
8 likes@Disappointment Department This isn’t the US though.
2 likes@Cowboy Doggo one of them was
0 likes@etherealessence Well said.
0 likes@Last First My thoughts exactly. If someone in an interrogation room told me my innocence or guilt wasn't in question, my response would be "Neither is your honesty or level of corruption."
7 likesyour* can't believe this comment is even edited -_-
1 likeseeing Crono as your profile pic just made me think of how he was falsely accused and went to trial.
1 likeYour innocence is not up for discussion Comrade, the trial has already taken place, we're just messing with you before the firing squad.
1 likeGod knows ✌️⛪🕉️🫂☁️💫✝️🌍☯️✨✨⭐🌼🙏🙏
0 likeshow can he even say that he is not the judge nor the jury its a wonder that he was not the executioner as well seeing that he was so sure!!!!
1 likeThis video and the Stephen McDaniel case really shows there are some shit cops out there! It’s kinda frightening because I’ve always trusted the police, but some of this stuff looks bad!
0 likesThere clearly are some excellent ones though! The guy who interrogated that school shooter was so calm and collected, even knowing what that guy had done. He broke through all his bullshit.
“I’m saying nothing. I want a lawyer” say nothing else.
2 likesDo you have to take into an account that is a 6-foot black man starts to get upset or aggressive with a cop because he's being falsely accused it's usually worse than if he just tries to keep calm so is he really an anomaly or is he just trying to save his life?
2 likesHilarious that the cop has the audacity to state "the truth is paramount" after the guy is utterly BSing nonstop about having the guy on video committing a crime.
1 likeMichael’s responses always make me laugh because he is so calm and reasonable in the face of such absurdity. Then he says, “well, thank you, I guess.” He’s so empathetic towards the officer the whole time . I’m so glad he prevailed.
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yea makes him seem like a super villain actually, but ig hes just well composed
17 likesedit - i meant it in a cool way lol, u know like how super villains are always calm and shit
I don't get a super villain feeling at all lol, dude was confident in his innocence and trying his hardest to give the full truth. If anyone sounds like a super villain it's the detective. That guy was trying everything to pin Michael for something he didn't do, just to pad his record.
81 likesIt’s the cop that should be empathetic towards him though lol, cut straight to the bad cop act without checking out the file.. and this guy is seeking a promotion lol
14 likesAnd glad his damage was compensated with 46k$ and suspension of the officers
9 likes18 hours ago and with 1.8k likes wow i've never seen that before
0 likes@FluxShaman It's not to pad his record, just to avoid hurt ego from admitting he was wrong. He even managed to delude himself. Pathetic little guy.
3 likes@Adam Kolar I saw another comment that joked about how he probably couldn’t believe that him and his buddies couldn’t catch up to a short white dude, so he had to pretend they succeeded at capturing someone else to save face. XD
0 likesIt sounds ridiculous, but at this point I can’t even rule off the possibility...
@FluxShaman That's the thing here, often, when a suspect looks confident, composed, calm, trying to be normal, it means that they actually had time to prepare what they would say, it's why it's hard to believe some people that "did everything". Freaking out and being loudy is easier for everyone, because that's often the opposite of someone trying to escape charges.
0 likesissue here is not the interrogation really, but rather why he ended up here, and why they kept going when it became evident he was wrongly accused.
17:11 "Were all demoted and suspended without pay"
2 likesIf only the $46,000 settlement had come directly from the 3 investigating officers' bank accounts instead of the taxpayers pockets. That's justice.
'Michael' is Michael Dixon and the incident took place in Hamilton, Ontario, back in 2003. It is important to note that the civil court that awarded him damages found that there was no evidence of a racial motivation for what happened. It appears this was a simple mistake by inexperienced and incompetent police officers. It is unclear why Mr Dixon was targeted given that his physical description was so at variance with that reported to police by eye witnesses, though it is worth bearing in mind that sometimes police have to discount eye witness descriptions because of their inherent unreliability. At the beginning of the police interview, the officer can be heard saying (words to the effect): "We don't care about guilt or innocence", which sounds bad, but there was a context to those words. What he meant is that, as far as the police were concerned, they 'knew' he was the culprit. This suggests that there may have been factors that led them to Mr Dixon that have not been reported (albeit he was found to be an innocent man in the end).
0 likes"The evidence I have against you is overwhelming"
0 likesThat's funny, considering you arrested a random person off the street that didn't even commit the crime
09:38 "how can you prove to me that you were at home?"
0 likesFirst of all, how can you prove he is guilty?
Feel bad for the dude Accused of burglary and assault. When you’ve gotten your life together, and have worked so damn hard to get your shit together, to be accused and you already know how the law sees you because your previous self. Props to him standing up for himself, and cheers to his exonerations.
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Hope he's doing better now, too.
72 likesShe should go to jail for the same charges for accusing that shit Ruins Lives
150 likesIt reminds me of Les miserables
8 likes@Andrew sucks I think it’s actually illegal to lie about something like that because you swear that you’re gonna say the truth
37 likes@Aya Shayeb Yeah, but you don't get as high charges as the crime you falsely accused someone of. Which would be fair.
23 likes@Piulin that’s really fucked up , i think they should face the same amount of time the one they accused have or even more , i saw a guy who lost 29 years of his life for a false rape accusation and the woman got away with it
20 likesYeah he must have been really negative to attract all that negativity 🙄. It amazes me people actually think that way.
0 likesPersonally thought it was exagerated but hey
0 likes@Azariah Kyras Get faced with someone falsely accusing you of something that can put you in prison for 20 years and see how you act.
7 likes@Temp Temp It benefits the falsely accused, as well as the court system itself.
0 likesCurrently, the court system is very backed up. Unfortunately, plenty of these are cases where there isn't even sufficient evidence to bring to trial at all. Punishments for false accusations are there to make them think twice (that's the idea anyway, doesn't do any good if not prosecuted).
It benefits the victim because it alleviates some of the fear and frustration around being falsely accused. If the system won't do anything about it, they know they are at the mercy of the next possible accusation.
It benefits society as a whole through both routes.
If it teaches the perjuror that "lying is bad," good, but that's not the primary purpose. As long as perjury is without prosecuted penalty, the system will keep backing up, the victim will still have good reason to fear further accusations, and society as a whole has to have their cases slowed and hindered by these jerks as well as having to fear the same happening to them. In regards to accusations that carry prison sentences, the effect of perjury amounts to kidnapping and worse.
@Joe Bob yes... and don't forget Bill Cosby ....
0 likes@Joe Bob Wow, it's almost as if those people were human beings and celebrities don't deserve all the praise and worship they receive.
1 like@Andrew sucks in florida you can lie ti the police all day put someone under investigation and after everything admit you lied and not even get a slap on the wrist
1 like@Kenneth Cortez Those grown-ups should have listened to you and spoken calmly , nicely to you so as not to stress you and prevent you from being able to think and talk. Unfortunately, we people are límited and immature sometimes, and make mistakes. I hope you can leave it behind and not let it stick inside you. If you still have resentment and sadness etc, you could think about the situation and people while punching a mattress or pillow, and shouting so that you get your anger out of your body. it has helped other people.And forgive them then if you can. it benefits you .
0 likesThat's exactly right.✌
0 likes@Aya Shayeb It is but false accusations with things like rape the female false accuser rarely gets sentenced
0 likesI feel like the reason he reacted so calmly to the false accusation is due to how careful POC have to be when handling the law. the detective was already sounding hostile with how he said everything, but a lot of times any anger shown from a black person is seen as aggression or intent to attack. it could have been him knowing that his hand brushing against his leg could be fatally misinterpreted.
0 likesAlways in every situation have a legal advisor. Because the police are not your friends, and this is a perfect example.
2 likesI'd be pissed if this happened to me. I'd want blood from that detective and a big bag of cash from the police for the emotional distress caused by the lies fabricated by that officer.
0 likes"He was awarded $40,XXX and the officers were demoted and suspended without pay" LMAO the fact that people think this is a reasonable punishment for people who put someone in jail for two years is fucking mental holy shit we're an embarrassment.
0 likesNever talk to police without an attorney, even if you're innocent. They don't care, they just want to get you.
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I would only respond back in Spanish and then when they get a translator I’ll ask for a lawyer in English and some KFC
148 likes@Julie Irlbacher lol amazing
15 likesThat's not allowed in Canada. Lawyers can't be present when you're being questioned by police.
6 likesYou are allowed to consult an attorney, but that attorney cannot be in the room while you're being questioned.
Absolutely true.
2 likes@Henry Smith really?? That’s INSANE. Do you have to talk to the police? What if you just repeated “I don’t know how to properly answer that question” over and over and over?
32 likes@Mosinlogan Yes, it's VERY insane!
35 likesWhen someone gets hurt in a police interaction, the police have the right to have a lawyer present when questioned about it. The police feel the need to have a lawyer present when being questioned, but ordinary civilians aren't allowed to when being questioned by the police. How's that for insane?!?
No, you don't have to speak to the police. There's a man who's been a person of interest in his gf's murder for decades and he's never been charged cause he's never agreed to speak to the police. Many believe he's gotten away with murder.
i disagree but alright
1 like@top have fun sleeping in your jail cell when falsely accused :)
10 likesUr comment seems like u r experienced in this
1 like@top The one time I was guilty of something I confessed and walked away. The other three run-ins I've had with the police they arrested me and had me spend the night in jail just on suspicion alone, the whole while you're being booked they treat you like human garbage. Then they drill you with full certainty that they're right. You can give a cop your case all you want, it goes through one ear and right out the other. I had faith in the police just like any other white boy but you learn after just a few interactions that they don't give a fuck about anybody.
7 likesThey want to get who did whatever happened. Not just ANYONE. lol
0 likes@Henry Smith Luckily our justice system is better than the USA. Not great, but better.
1 likeNo they don’t that have to do a thorough investigation to see if you are innocent. Because if a murderor is proven not guilty when they are it would cause more deaths. And those deaths would be because of the detective.
1 like@Kinetic the childish view is yours. Not all cops are fallen angels in this valley of despair, some of them don't give a s**t about truth and prosecute the hell out of whoever they have in their hands at the moment.
6 likes@Kinetic another thing is police like any human being can be biased. It's always best to have a lawyer because whatever you say can be used against you in court.
2 likes@Marco G. how many police have you actually met and interacted with? Or are you just reciting from the Antifa handbook?!?
0 likes@THE NEXT LANE it's peculiar that you and your biased kind come here preaching the sanctity of police... under the very evidence they are not.
5 likes@Zerø 00 i believe not every police are bad..and not every good guy are police..
0 likes@Marco G. Bad cops suck and shouldn't be cops. No surprise.
0 likesThinking even 10% of all cops are so bad is ridiculous. Probably depends on where you are, but the police make society better.
@Zerø 00 Ironic.
0 likes@Zerø 00 I don't think you grasp much actually.
0 likesThe ACAB mindset doesn't allow for nuance and reason.
@Zerø 00 I don't argue with people who think the interactions they've had with cops somehow represent all or even most cops, or that "eventually" all cops turn bad due to their position, I ridicule them for their stupidity.
0 likesYou say you don't have anything against cops that do their job properly, but I'm going to assume you don't know what that even means so a cop could easily be doing their job properly and you just disagree with it or don't understand.
And I don't need to discredit you bud. You discredit yourself when you pretend cops and civilians are separate. Cops are people that do a job, and that job is helpful and good for society. Get over yourself.
@Zerø 00 Sounds like you didn't get over yourself.
0 likesIn Canada you have the right to a lawyer as soon as you're arrested, and the police are actually obligated to stop questioning you until you have a lawyer present when you ask...
1 likeThey may continue asking questions afterwards, but you don't have to answer
From Canadian charter of rights:
Section 10(b) – Right to counsel
Provision
10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention:
to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right;
Related provisions may be found in the following Canadian laws and international instruments that are binding on Canada; section 2(c) of the Canadian Bill of Rights; articles 14(3)(b) and (d) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; and article 37(d) of the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
See also the following international, regional and comparative law instruments that are not legally binding on Canada but include similar provisions: the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America (Bill of Rights); and article 6 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.
@Slickest Rick You have the right to cousel, but that councel may not be present during questioning. They must stay outside of the room.
1 likePolice must stop questioning and allow you to consult with counsel, but nothing says the police must allow counsel be present during questioning.
Michael really did get royally shafted by that so called detective. You can tell the cop was after an easy collar, so much so that he didn't even bother to review the evidence! Just imagine if that other investigator hadn't looked into Michael's case, he'd have been sitting in lock up for a lot longer than 3 days. I try and support the police whenever I can because it really is a thankless job but guys like him can make it hard to do that at times. I'm glad Michael sued them and got some decent compensation out it though I think the punishment against the cop should have been harsher than a mere demotion. I hope Michael's job wasn't affected by all that stupidity.
0 likesJustin getting 2 years despite being innocent is a complete farce. It goes to show you that at any time someone can accuse you of heinous deeds and on the back of that accusation alone you can end up in prison for years. I hope Justin sued the popo as well because he definitely deserves some remuneration for those years unjustly spent behind bars.
Goes to show they do not care about justice just a conviction. "LAWYER" is all that should come out of your mouth no matter what.
1 likeImagine how confused you'd be if you get off a bus, and then the first thing that happens is two police officers jumping out of an alleyway and arresting you.
0 likesFirstly , he was told he was definitely being charged , but then is told that his actions prior to the alleged crime would be looked into . Absolutely disgraceful and amateurish behaviour from a detective who is not fit for the job . How the suspect maintained his cool throughout is not only admirable , but testament to his good character .
0 likesIt's SO REWARDING to know that poor dude was compensated for that humiliation and those IDIOTS were demoted and suspended without payment.
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Slap on the wrist compared to the havoc they wreaked on the lives of the people they targeted. Demotions, suspensions- BIG EFFIN DEAL!
136 likesDemotion and suspended without payment isn’t enough.
183 likesEverybody who was prominently involved in that scenario should be banned from any type of law enforcement and sent to prison for attempting to unlawfully inprison an innocent civilian, at minimal.
@Dylan Barrino yup!
11 likesThank god he lived in a developed country with a justice system. Honestly, it’s cheesy to say, but I’ve never been prouder of my country than watching this video.
11 likesAnd feel awful for the other guy who spent TWO YEARS in jail for a crime he DIDNT commit. Like of course it must of been terrible to go through, but everyone here talking like three days in county jail is anywhere near as traumatic as spending two years incarcerated.
35 likes@YesNelle That case was different though. The first guy was unlawfully detained because the officer wanted a promotion, ignored the eyewitnesses and proof about his alibi, i.e. that was purely the fault of the police officers that arrested him. The other guy was unjustly arrested because the eyewitness lied to the police, the police had a reason to believe he was guilty (the witness testimony) and the injustice was the fault of the witness. It's terrible for the victim and hopefully he got justice in the form of monetary reimbursement and the lying witness going to prison, but his case isn't an example of police corruption which was the topic of this video
29 likes@Exantius E Um what? the topic of this video is how the behaviors of innocent people accused of crimes can vary significantly, and thus using one type of behavior as an indicator of whether or not someone is innocent is a poor method. This video was not made to directly talk about police corruption. This whole channel is dedicated to studying behavior of detectives and those they suspect are guilty.
5 likesEDIT: and the injustice IS on the those investigating that crime. The fault lies with the judge and investigators who charged this man with several years in jail based on one eyewitness (who had proven to lie under oath) and without any other evidence.
Not enough of a punishment for those officers. They deserve to be incarcerated not just humiliated.
8 likesI LITERALLY CRIED BRO LIKE OMG THANK GOODNESS THEY DESERVED THAT
0 likes46000? Dude is guilty of that.
0 likes@dennis Which country?
0 likes@Dylan Barrino "What the interrogator deserves" seems to rely heavily on whether his actions were "malice versus incompetence".
0 likes1. If he intentionally locked up someone that he knew was innocent, and/or applied pressure for the reasons of wanting to inflict psychological abuse, I would agree that he deserves jail time.
2. If he's just a moron who didn't follow protocol because he was clueless, and terrible at his job, etc. he should be fired. But as long of none of it was intentional, it shouldn't be a crime to be "pants-on-backwards" stupid. Criminalizing ineptitude is a giant can of worms lol.
Given so little information, it's hard for me to be confident about whether it was malice or incompetence. Proving someone's state of mind is very difficult. Prosecutor's struggle to do it when they are making a case and directing evidence specifically focused on determining that. This video isn't focusing on the cop's motives, history, professionalism, etc... just on behavioral analysis of the suspect.
As for the other officers, all I know is that the cops who arrested him should have known the subject's physical description, so that's reasonable evidence that they were acting with malice, but again degree of confidence is commensurate with degree of evidence. Next steps I'd take are looking for their police conduct records, arrest rates/demographics, stopping rates/demographics, population demographics where they patrol, their social media accounts, etc.
@Exantius E not corruption I’d say laziness or incompetence or even both
0 likesWould have been much better if they were fired so they cant do it again to someone else.
2 likes@Dylan Barrino if every law enforcment person who unlawfully imprisoned an innocent civilian was put in prison we'd have no one left to actually arrest guilty people!
0 likes@Exantius E this case happened in canada. it cost the Canadian taxpayers for the cop's blunders.
0 likesDemoted? ruined a guys life for 2 years. they should be in prison
0 likes@Exantius E its a failure of due diligence then. The authorities failed. Period
0 likesThis sounds like sarcasm.
0 likesBEAUTIFUL
0 likesdude 15k a day in custody isnt the worst outcome ...
0 likesSuspended without pay???? Not harsh enough!
0 likes@Dylan Barrino A bit extreme. He was in inprisoned for only 2-3 hours.
0 likesin america the cops would have been promoted for effort lmao
0 likes@dennis glad he wasnt in america, he would have been executed without interrogation and the officers surely would have been promoted lol
0 likes@Rey Hunter Nah your delusional.
0 likesAs rewarding as it is...they should've been fired from all law enforcement also had to pay these men for everything they put them through.
0 likesDuring those 3 days he may have thought he was already fried. Evidence or lack thereof can often be twisted, misleading, or just plain fabricated.
0 likes@FriendlyChannelll I agree with Dylan.
0 likesI say this because there needs to be severe actions taken when you fail to do your job right in this position.
They could have sent an innocent man to prison for YEARS, completely ruining his life all because they failed to actually do their jobs as they have sworn to do.
A loss of your job is not severe in this case. There should be the fear OF losing your job if you imprison an innocent civilian because you CHOSE not to go over the case. THAT IS THE BARE MINIMUM. But he chose to LIE, assume, and accuse someone who literally did nothing.
If this were some job like waiting tables yeah loss of job too severe.
But this isnt some mundane day to day. It is a VERY dangerous playing field where you have to decide the course of thousands if not millions of OTHER people's LIVES!
jail, prison, rape, beatings, loss of family contact, loss of trust for jobs in the future limiting his options for the rest of his life ruining chances and opportunities for family development, advancement, and even possible death.
These aren't even all of the situations the innocent man would have gone through if convicted WITHOUT EVIDENCE!
Loss of job and changes career paths, possibly loses wife if married for doing something so messed up, if he wasn't smart with savings, cant keep up with bills for a little while, kids judging him rightfully so for making such a stupid decision. These are the situations the law enforcer would have gone through.
Difference? One is COMPLETELY INNOCENT, and the other one made a HORRIBLE decision not to do justice by another because he just assumed it was him and didnt give a damn.
Another difference?
The innocent man didnt deserve any of this while the law enforcer did.
People lose their job for costing their company thousands of dollars, sometimes less. But it's too "extreme" for someone to lose their job over possibly destroying other lives?
Right.
"I have a duty to the truth" he says while he lies his ass off. Police folks probably don't care, but this immoral behavior is what turns good people against law enforcement.
1 likeThe best part of this story was that he got restitution, and those pathetic excuses for cops were suspended, without pay! They should've been relieved of duty, permanently...
1 likeIt really stinks that YouTube took the best videos off this channel and gave no explanation unbelievable never mind quite believable
3 likesSo glad he got $46,000 for a 3 day jail. I'm not saying it's ok, but the guy triumphs in the end. And the demotion of the detectives was a big win. Great video.👍
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If he ever gets paid.....the city can decide whenever they want to pay you. Some people die before getting anything after spending decades in jail
0 likesThe fact the guy was more worried about missing work unannounced than going to jail should've been a big tell for the copper.
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Chris Hayes on God!
86 likesThey dont even hear that.. they dont care at all.. you and me find this important but cops dont... they just see a guilty person and want a confession..
800 likespeeny wallie I’m not a criminal and I can completely agree with their statement.
74 likesThat means nothing. You should watch the interrogations of the pedophiles caught in the old To Catch a Predator stings. Almost all of the mask if they should be calling their work the next day to let them know they won't be in. They all expect a little slap on the wrist and to be released that night ,despite driving to a minor's house to have sex with them.
72 likesThe call wasn't the tell. The fake footage was the tell.
431 likesWe have security footage.
Great!
Of you.
Excellent! Then you know it wasn't me!
Commiting the crime.
Wait... But if you have footage of me you know I didn't do it.
Nope I saw you do it on the footage.
But... That doesn't make sense... Are you bluffing me?
Notice that he never even denied being on the film, didn't say it was someone else, didn't say the film was a lie, he assumed that the film must be true, and being true it either proved his innocence or did not exist.
Copper like the metal?
5 likesRight
7 likes@Vidar D haha Oh this is so good. I love your comment. I completely agree with you and that's exactly what happened. So histerical to read it like that. 😂👍
21 likes@LunatheMoonDragon except they didn't drive to a minor's house.
5 likes@ConManliness sorry buddy, it's too late to make your case now, the footage of your arrest has been up for years now.
10 likes@Mariama-Lola Bah please say God with reverence
6 likes@Sugar Edwards what are you talking about? I got to a traditional church that isn't vatican 2 so that isn't even my church
5 likes@ANDY VAN KERKHOVE This was the FIRST interview, so they were following a script they use on absolutely everyone they bring in. They follow that script no matter what the suspect says.
2 likes@ANDY VAN KERKHOVE How about stop putting everyone in the collective like the media does with racial identity. I'm sick of lies like this, how the hell am I Scott free then despite all the times they caught me drinking in public? Because I ain't an asshole.
3 likesThe man in the uniform that's under constant surveillance, I wanted to be one of those guys ironically. Yet you normalize the collective hatred.
@Vidar D In Canada, busses always have cameras on the dashboard pointed back into the bus in case there are crimes being committed. All it would've taken was for them to get the footage from the bus and it would've cleared him immediately, but the guy simply wanted brownie points and getting an innocent black man to confess to a crime he never did for the singular reason he was black.
13 likes@Cameron Nesbitt just because they are required to have cameras doesn't mean that the camera actually works. Granted the investigator, who is different from the police on the street, and I believe in Canada different from the interrogator, could have and should have done a better job. However as I understand it to save money the Canadian police often don't even assign an investigator until they tried for a confession. Interestingly enough, from what I am told Canadian interrogators, are allowed to lie and make false promises, further your interview is only admissible in court to be used against you, and you are not allowed to use it in your defense. It seems that there is no benefit whatsoever to talking to them in Canada.
1 likeProblem is cops are generally the bottom of the intelligence barrel. Hairstylists have to have more rigorous training, aptitude and test taking than cops. The profession is a joke.
7 likes@ANDY VAN KERKHOVE even worse, they use this as a pressure point... talk to us and you can go home so you dont lose your job. alot peops said they did it, because of a promise to be able to go home untill court day
2 likes@usernamesrlamo fix the problem then. Apply to be a cop and choose to be a better one, the problem won't fix itself.
1 likeThat POS cop wasn't interested in the truth. Just self gain
1 likeHe already knew he was innocent from the start. His job was just to get a confession. The person they were chasing got away, so they had to grab somebody and try to make the charge stick to cover the incompetence. They thought the first person they saw would do. I'm genuinely surprised they got in trouble/demoted for it though, maybe there is some justice in the world.
1 like@LunatheMoonDragon And a lot of them did. That program screwed a lot of investigations and caused a lot of guilty sex offenders to go free
1 like@김치 as with most things, there is always a pre-established 'not all' -- because we know that not /all/ cops are bad, but the vast majority (and the ones that have the most impact) are. :)
1 like@Ivens Pinheiro Ivens Yeah man. Not to mention the very first investigation they did where they hadn’t teamed up with law enforcement yet so they just... let the guys go after the interview. I can’t even watch that one, knowing they all just skip home free.
1 likeMy point in the original comment is that you can see how people in very serious trouble think they can talk themselves out of it haha
@notahotshot i-- got me there bahahha
0 likesI know right! Cop was so lazy and irresponsible
0 likes@Vidar D the cop was so irresponsible and lazy it makes my blood boil. He almost put an innocent man in jail
0 likes@usernamesrlamo lolololol
0 likesThe assumption is that the officer cares about the truth. Lol.
0 likesI think somewhere in the back of his mind, he knew he was going to get out of this because he didn't do anything wrong. So concern about being fired was the real immediate threat lol
1 like"I have tried everything in my power to stay out of this penitentiary."
0 likesSo our system worked for this guy... Hey what system did he get incarcerated in I wanna live in that county just in case
The most important thing to remember is even if you truly have done nothing. If the police want to bring you in to talk, keep your mouth shut and demand to have your lawyer present. Even if the police are acting like you can help them solve a crime, shut up and lawyer up.
1 likeI feel like the reason neither of these guys lawyered up right away was because they thought it would make them look guilty. There are so many crime shows that reinforce the idea only the guilty hide behind legal protection, but as we've seen, even the guilty are hesitant to request attorneys.
0 likesEvery now and then I re-watch this video to re-invigor my hatred of police. Never trust pigs. I'm glad he got a bit of Justice
0 likesThis guy is unbelievably calm and respectful. I can’t believe they didn’t even look into his alibi
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what means alibi?
13 likes@L G
120 likesIt means what he was doing before / at the time of the crime.
@L G evidence/proof of his innocence
112 likeslike when he told the officer to ask the bus driver about him being on that bus, that was his ‘alibi’.
It's because he's Canadian ha
12 likesyeah a man responding to the bluff "we have the incident on video camera" with "great, that's relieving!" should definitely at least have gotten a reaction out of the investigator. but he was so smug & arrogant about Michael's guilt that he didn't even second guess the "suspect" he had in front of him. I can especially only imagine how little he'd have investigated if he were one of the arresting officers AND then the interrogating officer, because no way in HELL he'd have second guessed himself making a mistake.
77 likes@L G Literally taken, it's Latin for "somewhere else" - so it's a piece of evidence showing you could not have perpetrated a crime, because you were somewhere else.
11 likes@L G Alibi= He can tell exactly where he was and what he was doing before, during and after the time of the crime, and with whom, in case he was not on his own.
7 likes@Droomzy Zonk cause it is his job to get an arrest & prossecution & he was the oly suspect. that i the problem with the system. Arrest, prosecution = money = promotion etc. they don't care if your innocent, all they care about it getting a conviction.
5 likesif he would’ve acted as the other dude, they would’ve deemed him as an unruly black male and resistant to arrest. it would’ve been a worse outcome for him.
24 likes@Jordan This amazing joke has been extremely UNDER LIKED. Fantastic because this occurs in Canada.
3 likesi mean he got 46000 buckaroonies out of that, id say its almost lucky
1 like@L G if the cops ask you “where were you at this time) and you say for example “I was with my friend Jack” now that is your alabi
1 likeYour alabi is you were with Jack and Jack has to prove that
Some people have chart to follow in case of following alibi.
1 likeThe chart:
Are you white?
- No, well, freedom is not meant for everyone. And you are guilty till being innocent incidentally.
- Yes, well, freedom is meant for everyone. And you are innocent till being guilty incidentally.
@nutsforstrongbones in some countries, once you've been imprisoned, its illegal to say otherwise even if you were innocent. That alone is enough to cause someone a world of torment. I don't think 46k$ is lucky, its but a mere compensation for future life problems.
2 likesCops see black man in area of a crime, they believe he's guilty.
5 likes@Jemppu great analysis
0 likes@L G an alibi is proof from a person or camera that confirms where the person was and what they were doing. Like if he was in a different area on the phone his phone records would show the person wasn’t near the crime scene. Or if he’s on a camera getting off the bus and not running through the alley
0 likes@Matheus Lima sadly true
0 likesPsssst Racism
0 likesYep thats why
He’s Canadian lol. I’m one too
0 likesracially profiled.
0 likes@Droomzy Zonk Fully agree. That clown of an investigator got caught in an undeniable lie, by a suspect! And the way he petulantly doubled down on his stupid bluff after already having been caught out, betrays his immense insecurity. That investigator was the only guilty person in that room at that time, and it's so great that we have cold hard evidence in the form of an ACTUAL video, not a fictional one :D
0 likesThis isn't so much hindsight, as it is actual experience. By which i mean, the second man has already been through the justice system. I'm sure Jim meant the hindsight to know they're both innocent. But the juxtaposed reactions are entirely due to a difference in personalities and of course the aforementioned prior experience...
0 likesnever say anything to the cops without a lawyer.
14 likesYou aren’t trained to deal with such situations. They’re trained to get people convicted.
You need someone trained to protect your rights.
Whether you did anything or not, this remains true.
What you're seeing there is simply two people falsely accused who have totally different personalities. That's why the reactions are different! One who takes absolutely no shit from being falsely accused and gets emotional about it, to the other who takes the shit but calmly rejects it. Both innocent, but with two totally different expressions. That's why you can never judge too quickly, as we are all different. The interrogators have a tough job without a doubt, but obviously they need to be very careful before making hasty judgements.
1 likePersonally the moment an officer accused me of something I didn't do, I'd exercise my right to silence. If his mind is already set up, I don't see any point in discussing anything.
0 likesa mistake like this is literally unforgiveable, you can't "blunder" around when your putting someone's entire life at risk. Getting demoted should've been the least of his problems.
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Yes, indeed.
11 likesI mean if a detective makes errors like these he deserves to be fired but I dont see why he should deserve more, I dont see why the detective also has to risk a lot to do his job
20 likes@Water Pidez my job involves managing hotel operations. If i make unintentional errors, guests are inconvenienced, or certain codes could be violated like cleanliness or private information disbursement. I would be written up or lose my job depending on the severity and my disciplinary history.
57 likesIf I make an intentional error, hotel or guest property could be stolen, guest safety can be jeopardized, I could commit reward program fraud, etc. I would lose my job, AND face potential criminal punishment.
PLEASE, do not act like an investigator lying about evidence trying to ruin someone's life is simply making a mistake at a job. This innocent man could've lost his own job, or accidentally said something incriminating leading him to jail or prison, and this douchebag wouldve laughed about it at the water cooler the next day. This is inexcusable, and absolutely criminal in nature, just like if I were to intentionally err at my job jeopardizing someone's safety.
I agree. He should have been fired.
16 likesAlthough, to be fair, I would volunteer to spend 3 days in jail if it got me almost $50,000 in punitive damages. Fastest 50k of my life.
Yeah, working for the police is one job but were you literally have to have superhuman intelligence and moralities. There is absolutely not any room for normal human error Or selfishness or other vices in the slightest in that job.
1 likeThe instant someone shows that they are biased or let their friends off or make up their minds on anything other than hard evidence they cannot continue to be a police officer.
3 likesThey arent intentionally trying to cause innocent people problems.... they're trying to trick guilty people into confessing. Thats part of fighting crime.
4 likesIf youre saying they should only trick guilty ones..... i mean they're not mind readers yeah.
Do you want to talk/learn about God and Jesus? God and Jesus both love you and can help you with whatever you may be going through
0 likesIt's not a mistake, it's a deliberate tactic.
1 likeI was legit just saying that I'm already not the forgiving type but I'd damn sure be fighting to make sure everyone who was a part of that investigation was terminated.
0 likes@Water Pidez Because a Detective can destroy someone's life.
0 likesSome of these dudes dont give a damn..their job is to close the case, get a admission, or get a conviction.. If proven to have falsified evidence just to close the case that detective deserves to serve just as much time as the wrongly convicted guy... Its only fair.
0 likesIt’s vying nbuobu
0 likes@Daniel Kelleher im not talking about intentional errors, im talking about what the original commenter said, "blunder", which is not intentional. I do agree if its intentional a detective deserves higher punishment then being fired.
0 likes@viraticwars if he does his best to solve the situation truthfully and he gets it wrong, it shouldnt be on him
0 likes@Water Pidez yeah he should be held accountable still, thats a life wasted, 1 guy gets to slap his woman on the ass and scratch the dogs head, and the other guy is layin on a bunk with no resources to help himself out of a fucked up situation.. Nah. Thats not acceptable.
0 likesAlways and I mean always ask for a lawyer ! Being 1000 percent innocent will still get you locked up. Smdh
1 likeIf someone is convinced of guilt before the interrogation. The detective should be fired immediately. You cannot just assume that someone is guilty because they were on scene.
0 likesKeep in mind — Michael’s arrest occurred on the night of a province wide power outage, most commonly known today as the: ‘Northeast blackout of 2003’ Hamilton’s power was restored on August 16, 2003. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003
0 likesUnderstand that once you've been arrested for something there isn't any question of your being inocent or not guilty. There is no point at which you can persuade the cops of anything other than you did it. You can say you're not guilty a million times and guilty only once. Anything in your favor will be attacked and discredited and anything that looks bad will be strengthened. Regardless of what you say or do or act like it will be twisted into a narrative that shows you as guilty. Don't show emotion and you're guilty of the crime. Show emotion and it's portrayed as to much a and an act. Things that you do that imply innocence will be disregarded or flipped into something off the opposite. Even exercising your right to not answer questions is looked at as negative. In England is worse they even state that if you don't mention something that you might use later in court that it's looked down on.
0 likesMan just imagine how many innocents souls have died without proving their innocence
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3 likesMore than the people buying into this machine would like to admit.
90 likesNot sure about "died" but yes, I know what you mean and it is a scary thought.
31 likesa lot
4 likesFree Gypsy Crusader
7 likesYes, there have been a number of innocent people put to death for a crime they did not commit. You also have people imprisoned as a criminal offense because they acted out of fear.
24 likesThe thing about psychology is it is totally subject to the interpreter's perception and views. The fact the guy lied about knowing the girl at first makes it seem like he is guilty, in then jumping to a conclusion conspiracy against him is a sign of deflection because of guilt. Regardless of guilt or innocence, his reactions are solely the fear of going back to jail and he is freaking out about the thought of it. He would act the same way even if he was guilty.
The other guy's lack of animation of pleading his innocence with the threat of being put in jail right then could be seen as a resignation to being caught and going to jail for the crime he committed.
Physiological profiling is such a hit or miss science that we cannot make a standard test that would be at least 90% accurate to prevent bad cops, bad politicians, bad teachers or any other position from being into a job they could abuse.
Though the video starts off with some bs about societal views and the "accuracy" of certain reactions to things, it does show you how wrong the narrator's belief of "reading" people to determine if the are guilty or innocent is.
@Sasha Ozerov wym not sure about died, people die In prison without proving there innocence
11 likesIn the United States there are a fee thousand innocent people serving sentences.
2 likesPeople who have been put to death by the state who are innocent are a fee dozen but I'm sure there's much more.
@daarzim you lose 20 years of your life and the crooked cop that locked you up gets a promotion.
11 likes@Donald Garretson
10 likesWhich is the reason I am absolutely and completely opposed to capital punishment. Not that certain crimes aren't deserving of it, but because the legal system is administered by human beings. Human beings are fallible. Any situation with an outcome as final as capital punishment cannot be permitted to have any permissible fallibility.
Its a serious problem. In US the REID interrogation method is used which causes false confessions, while countries like the UK uses the PEACE method.
7 likes@daarzim I don’t think that’s true. Many interviewed executioners have said they think they’ve executed innocent men based on lack of evidence. I don’t think that would be a common thought if all death sentences were put in place with 100% guarantee
2 likes@daarzim There have been many people who were wrongfully convicted and received the death penalty in the US. 20 have been release from death row since 1992.
1 like@daarzim You must be joking. The reality of the state is not what the media show.
0 likesThat's why one should always, ALWAYS, oppose the death penalty. Not because you're afraid a person that's guilty of a heinous crime doesn't get punished, but because you're afraid an innocent person might.
6 likes@MaanSelene Tbh, it's just that the system serves certain classes and heavily discriminates against others. And so I don't want anything to do with an evil, oppressive piece of state machinery. Because even advising them has a bad connotation. They then claim they did a fair and broad public consultation but the truth is that is never the driver in any change, but the veneer of legitimacy.
0 likesman...just imagine how many people out of the 2 million sub's to this channel used the advice provided to get out of a crime or conviction...laughable.
0 likes@Joshua Murphy ying and yang bro we will never be one
0 likesIn the US the rate of innocent people sentenced to death (and executed) is about 4%. Since the death penalty was reinstalled in 1976 about 8000 people have been sentenced to death and about 1600 were executed. About one innocent person per year is executed in the US.
0 likesGot that all backwards and Wrong, my friend ! NO ONE has to PROVE INNOCENCE, since there is Presumption of Innocence! The STATE has to PROVE your Guilt !!!!!!!!!
2 likesI just noticed after watching the Chris Watts interrogation for the 50th time he's got a little bit of a speech impediment to where on words with an S towards the end of the word it sounds like a duck like Donald Duck
0 likesNot many
0 likes@Sasha Ozerov Criminal Psychology started being applied in the field fairly recently, most probably 1975 so till then i believe yea innocent people died
0 likesWith technology these days, everyone has an alibi.
0 likes@Tyler H
0 likesLol commenting on a YouTube video... You "buy into this machine", just as much as an of us.
@Donald Garretson Spot on!
0 likes@Sasha Ozerov as in they aged, they never got to prove their Innocence
1 like@Sasha Ozerov
0 likesWhat do you mean? Have you seen the 18’s 19’s? It’s insane.
Even when the innocent have proved their innocence, sometimes (I mean most of the time) the damage has been done and their future are already ruined.
2 likesToo fucking many
1 likeMany innocent were lost in the system without even getting any true justice
1 like@Fridolin Freundlich Source?
1 like@ITILII Actual presumption of innocence is almost non-existent.
1 likeThroughout History? Just think about how many women were accused of being witches and then burned alive. I mean, how can you prove someone is a witch?
2 likesWait... being black isn't a crime I'm Canada?
0 likesI think about it too often. Thats the ultimate nightmare.
0 likes@Sasha Ozerov
0 likesI dunno exactly how many. But yes, there have been people wrongly executed.
Thats one of the reasons iM anti capital punishment. BUT Im also pro capital punishment too.
Capital punishment is the only topic im split 50/50 on.
That's why due process and innocence until proven guilty is enshrined in the constitution.
0 likesProbably 10000 or more ...
0 likesprobably quite a few before the adn test (80-90)
0 likesThere are so many Americans brainwashed that it's impossible for an innocent person to be found guilty in our court system. Even lots of judges and cops believe it. We're a fundamentally broken state
0 likesGod got us tho
1 like@PoisedPlanet
0 likesOne is too many
Mannnnn.....all im thinking
1 likeOur VP has put many proven innocent people in jail, they made a mural of all the people she wrongly sent to prison into a charactor of her face. But the past doesn't matter I guess until it does?
1 likeHundreds of thousand's of people is sad :/
0 likesYep! And I’ve gotten guilty confessions out of innocent ppl, too... some ppl I knew were innocent. I was just doing my job
0 likesbillions throughout history
0 likesThe prisons in my country are congested and loaded with remands who have yet to be tried in court, like those jails in Brazil and Mexico. It sickens and angers me that some of them will probably be dead in jail due to subhuman conditions before they even present their case before a judge. While the justice system in the US isn't perfect, at least the country has an efficient judiciary and they have better prison conditions.
0 likesHow and why would an investigator even attempt to get away with framing someone?!
0 likesI'm sure that this is a tough, demanding job but I can't see a difference between this liar cop and a conman
0 likesThis reminds me 10 years back , I got locked up in jail till midnight, when I had a go at the police officer for accusing me doing something wrong. lol
0 likes3:15 anomaly my ass. Some of us still got respect for an offical attempying to do his job regardless if one disagrees with the methods both verbaly and physical.
0 likesI’m glad all the investigators got demoted. They were SO wrong. Jeez he was treated so badly.
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shouldnt be doing there jobs at all imo after this
109 likesI think their punishment should be in proportion to the harm they cause.
65 likesThey should be in jail
44 likesYou really don't know how bad treatment looks like in third world countries
10 likes@Houssem Maiza yeah in the US anyway we are too busy worried about other nonsense then consider how well we are doing. Best of luck if you are in a poorer country.
11 likes@Houssem Maiza This video shows bad treatment; what you're talking about is cruel and inhumane treatment. Just because the video could be worse doesn't mean that what happened is acceptable.
52 likesYou know, I REALLY wanna be more like that Michael type, but I´m much rather more like that Justin type...
7 likesI'm glad he got paid too, 3 and a half days in prison when he's done nothing wrong is terrifying. He must be traumatised. And he was so lovely throughout the entire thing...
21 likes@LA Endurance Dad 100%. "trying to get a promotion, so didn't look at prior evidence." Uh, yeah, he should be fired and jailed.
8 likes@ChanCeNecK Yeah Michael is what we all wish we could be, and Justin is what most of us would be.
2 likes@Houssem Maiza but we aren’t in a third world country
0 likesthis happens every day
2 likesI wonder if people above that officer TOLD him they had the right guy and for him to wrap it up and then took the punishment instead of those higher up
1 likeoh yeah he's in big trouble. This interrogation method has been illegal in Canada.
1 likeHe got 46k for 3 days in jail. They got demoted to a role where they do not have the power to do this.
3 likesA demotion as well as unpaid suspension definitely effected them financially, as well as put them in a position where they can be fired or demoted easier. Not saying it’s “justice” but at least they definitely had their lives changed in a negative way.
The problem is police unions.
Yes, the detective lied to that calm plack gentleman saying we have you on video. I don't think that is fair.
2 likesVery badly. The pride these “officers “ had was funny
1 like@💕 Bunny 💕 Thats an amazing way to put it
1 like@Houssem Maiza this is bad treatment. Doesn’t matter if other countries have worse treatment, I couldn’t give 2 shits, all that means is that this guy and third world countries BOTH have bad treatment. Your point is literally completely, well, pointless
1 like@💕 Bunny 💕 exactly. Like I seriously don’t understand his point. “This treatment is not bad, 3rd world countries are worse”
2 likesIs it just impossible to have 2 bad situations? Just because one is worse does not justify the other??
Found the truth is really glad one but one imperfect step still have consequences. Damn Canada looks so Strict for their rules.
0 likesI hope Michael went for that public speaking position after realizing how well he can handle the pressure.
0 likesI love how this ends, because it was infuriating to watch.
0 likesRule#1 Never trust a cop
0 likesRule #2 Remain silent and get a lawyer to hash it out. No matter.. know your rights.
it should be illegal for a detective to lie to a suspect about having hard evidence (i.e. video evidence) against them. Video evidence.. audio.. or whatever would not require a confession from the accused. Its an absolute joke.
0 likesWrong place at the wrong time is one of my biggest fears.
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Holy shit yeah, I sometimes think about that like "what would happen if this happens," or something. I would never want to be put in jail for something that I didn't do.
7169 likesI got hit with that.. small shit in the end lucky enough because at first I was shook
2745 likesi see you a lot
459 likesHonestly me too that’s so scary
781 likesThats why I like to be at home gaming better than dealing with society’s craziness
2034 likes@FAMbcz Same except life exists. I have to go to college then eventually a job and hang out with friends.
939 likesI grew up in the wrong place 😂😂😂
351 likes@Dysfunctional Veteran lol
64 likes@michael yeah I know.
514 likesYeah my ass would of ran and made them work because I'm black I feel like being innocent or guilty dont matter...its just jail, no justice.
308 likesEspecially if you're a black guy in America
279 likesStory of my life brother!
8 likes@John Smith execpt they pull ppl over for that
77 likes@michael what are you talking about....🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
28 likes@Sour Pickle stop acting like a victim this vid of the black dude is not from the Usa..but the white dude one is from the Usa..so you're tellig me that ...white guy..which is in the vid....was ok for the cop to arrest because... he doesnt look black to me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
134 likesI mean...I'm a 5' tall Eritrean woman in a headscarf (not exactly the most intimidating person lol) so I don't really worry about that personally but I get what you mean
14 likesFear drives people insane. Don't let it control your life. Or when you get into a situation your anxiety might make you act in ways that make the situation worse.
52 likesLmao like being recorded on omegle without knowing it
10 likesSame
2 likesDon 't be, sue the sh*t out of them, you may take a good vacation after that. Just don't make sudden move.
28 likesTrue, you could be chilling tryna get ice cream and some chips and then boom, you’re accused of murder and facing a life sentence. Pretty sad
30 likesThe wrong man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world, so wake up Mr.Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes
20 likesBeen down that road my dude. I’ve been a punk rocker most of my life. Now that I’m hitting middle age and dress like the squares, Im feeling this white privilege.
26 likes@Romance So true. Disturbing.
2 likes@Francois Nel Did you not watch the video? Not everyone has control over his/her social skills, behavior and anxiety. If every person could control himself with perfect poise, the video with the wrongly accused black guy wouldn’t have been made in the first place. Your advice is about as helpful as telling a psychotic patient that he should stop hallucinating.
44 likes@adaptiveagile It's just a seed that can be watered if he choses to do so. Fear and dispair is for those without faith and stuck in the darkness. Can't live like that. I am personally familiar with anxiety also.
8 likes(Золотые слова - gold words) maaaaaaan
1 likeSame here
0 likes@no yes
0 likesI'll do it for 47k
9 likesMine to, I'm not a person of color but I'm not an upstanding citizen either.
3 likes@workingstiff19 Nah, he'd rather play the victim and whine about it.
12 likesNot just Blacks bro.... I was at Taco Bell at 3 in the morning. 4 white guys and three Hispanics were pulled out and forced to lineup in the public parking lot. If it wasn't for the eyewitness telling the truth we would have been jailed. They even told us that we all were together which was not true.. Scared shitless and thought for sure going to jail.
45 likesAlso been targeted another 3 times and had my wallet thrown at me and told to "leave my town" by the police officer. That specific officer was arrested for having a hooker walk a line naked, his own dash cam put him in jail.
This all happened when I was between 18 and 27... It just about ended after I appeared "old enough".
Police oppression exists and it exists mostly for the young.
@RUSTY I dont know why people have this delusional idea that white people are treated differently. More white people get killed by police than black. There are police incidents that happened to white people that are worse than george floyd, Michael brown and Jacob blake combined. What the daniel shaver video dude was on his knees unarmed begging for his life and they shot him several times and killed him. He wasn't resisting or anything. They flat out murdered him. Where was the outrage?
61 likesDon't fear! Fear God only !
6 likesI am white and I am afraid of that too. Good luck to us all my friend.
19 likesFrom personal experience, you dont even need wrong place wrong time.
5 likesPatrice O'neal had a great bit about 'wrong place at the wrong time'. He said he didn't litter because one day his trash might end up next to a dead white lady and he'd be blamed for it.
18 likesSimple fix to that statement. Get a dash cam for your car and cameras for your house. 👌🏼👌🏼
3 likes@FAMbcz LOL. I cant blame you but it's sad the world is like this
0 likesSmart son, if I looked like you I'd stay away from bad neighborhoods.
1 likeEveryones afraid of it, just certain peeps sadly got to fear it a lot more right now.
6 likes@Venusaurxl Who cares no. It literally has nothing to do with drugs. It was formerly YourArtPlug smh
4 likesMe too.
2 likesDamn right!
0 likesWeird fear
0 likesOn god
0 likes@Romance thank you for pointing out the obvious
0 likes@John Smith it's not just black people. Whites are falsely accused too.
25 likes@RUSTY nice
0 likes@AbstractTraitorHero like who?
0 likesRemember
2 likes"the right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world"
It wasn’t for me before watching this video, but now it’s starting to become one.
1 like@Sasha West it's not witchcraft it's called an algorithm
0 likes@FAMbcz it can happen anywhere any time. Just because you are at home, does not mean you can't be falsely accused.
1 like@jryde421 its not a black or white thing. It's all about class.
19 likes@Glitch in the Matrix yes, but this guy don't look low class or talk low class but he dose look black...so your point is irrelevant for this situation...which black people fear to get caught in...we're not on the same page so I dont expect you to understand seeing how you watched the video then made your comment..it's over your head.
9 likes@Sour Pickle it's not exclusive to one race. It happens to all type types.
15 likes@jryde421 over my head? You obviously didn't read any of my other comments on this video. I agree the black gentleman is a strait up square. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. He is soft spoken, seems like a good person to have as a friend. But that is irrelevant to the point I am making. At the end of the day, there I two types of people. There is the black gentleman, who if he had to, he could pay a lawyer. Then there is me and others like me. I couldn't pay a lawyer. So I got no justice.
15 likes². ,
@Glitch in the Matrix by "square" you mean formal....but you say you're not trying to mean it in a derogatory manner...you're over your head and can't realize it...
5 likes@jryde421 I think you don't have any idea as to why I am more qualified than 99% of people
9 likeswell 46 k for 3 days in prison? why not? °u°
1 likesmh boy wdym wrong place wrong time? this boy just got 46k for just being in jail for 3 days
4 likes@What's happening Happen? lmao shit I hate the situation till that check hit.
1 likeBuddy that happened to me, someone got shot and died and I was walking across the after the fact and I got approached and the police claimed I fit the description of the suspect. I my world turned upside down with in seconds. Thanks they were able to trace my foot steps with cctvs but I was locked up for 24 hours.
3 likes@Sam _ you you
0 likesL
With a name like Plug im sure you have nothing to worry about
3 likesThis is more than wrong place wrong time, just straight up racial profiling.
1 likeIf you are innocent you have nothing to fear ... we live in new age of surveillance ... cams are all around us ...
6 likes@Body Guard AND people still get harassed or killed in broad daylight.
21 likesI feel so bad for him. I'm glad he got a settlement, he deserves it, because that would be so scary and powerless.
2 likesTry dealing with organized stalking, paid police/PI gas lighting and slandering, electronic harassments, home and car break ins; 24/7 literally.
6 likesI know right 😣
0 likesI hear you 100%
1 likeKeep in mind that people are wrongly accused get alot of money after.
1 like@sjow and a lot get the death sentence or decades lost.
19 likes@Plug if you want to believe that i wont stop you. But its not the truth
2 likes@sjow so you'd like to be imprisoned for decades for something you didn't do? With no guarantee you'll get justice just for quick money? 💀 different strokes for different folks like some say.
10 likes@John Schumer wrong place at the wrong time applies to everyone. I don't know why you guys think I'm talking about race.
23 likes@Plug I would love for them to try and falsely accuse me. I would make so much money from that like this guy did. Bring it on
0 likesbeen there done that .the piggs and the "just us" system are beyond piss poor.
1 like@RUSTY Yeah, but the difference is that the white guy was interrogated because a woman had said that he had done a crime (a lie), whereas the black guy was really at the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not saying it can't happen to any race, but it doesn't work with the examples shown in this video.
6 likes@RUSTY The sarcasm is strong with this one.
0 likes@Plug Finally! Everybody else made it about race
8 likesbro, just keep a filming gopro on your head all the time, it saved me once already
1 likeNot mine, ive been able to escape the authorities on both feet and vehicle, and once ive even fought my way out.
0 likesHappened to me.
0 likesI almost got a ticket for my car not speeding I battled it in court and proved my car was different than the car they had 2 red mustang convertibles one was a gt one was a v6 and the video they showed my plate was not the one the cop was suspended temporarily.
2 likesPolygraph bro. I’d do anything to remove myself from the cross hairs. 🤷🏻♂️
0 likessay nothing until you've spoken with a lawyer. it could save you.
0 likesas socially awkward and weird af a la Damien Echols, being in the wrong place at the wrong time and with my "strange", def. nervous disposition (also introverted!) I fear being dragged into an interrogation
4 likesedit: the reaction from the two different innocent men makes perfect sense to me. i know guys like the poor one who was in jail for 2 years, it IS infuriating to be accused when you've been getting your life together and guys like this can't really be expected to have to keep their composure; it's understandably frustrating. Michael, sadly, is trying very, very hard to react intelligently and i do believe race had something to do with it (as it already had, with him being arrested at all is laughable, in a horrible way) as he doesn't want to come off in any way to warrant this going forward, trying to be VERY CALM and trustworthy to this white interviewer. both are sad and i can see myself in both; if police can't read body language or lack empathy properly i fail to see the worth of interviewing, esp. the unethical way it's usually done.
Dude I only go out to get groceries, and since pandemic, i don't even do that. Stationary bike and weights in the home to stay fit.
1 likeCops are never wrong in their minds. It hurts to admit being wrong.
Eyy bro love ur vids 🔥
0 likesLawyer lawyer lawyer
0 likesRight?
1 likeWhen I'm at the airport and thinking
Omg what if someone put a bomb in my pocket and I get arrested.
Me too. And I'm half white, half black and female. I hope you never have to be put in that situation with incompetent cops.
0 likesThat's just a way of blaming the victim...
0 likes@melloi important to point out (racist badge)
1 like@Maverick I'm literally talking about my fear. Tf are you talking about?
1 like@Glitch in the Matrix ?
0 likesCan't say ik wat u mean but yes
0 likesi F I HAD YOUR SKIN COLOR it, would be my biggest fears.
0 likeshappend to me, lucky i had video proof that i wasn't there... but still spent 54 hours in jail
0 likesIt was not even that the Dick was lying 🤥 this poor guy didn't even fit the description of the suspect.
3 likes1. I would start telling the police how to do their job with infinite repetition. 2. I would state the minimum of facts (even though you are not, repeat NOT supposed to talk to the popo because of the nature of their work). 3. I would probably lose my job and my house.
0 likesPractice O.Q.P, only quality people, I don't hang out with bums anymore, too many of my friends went to prison, I started surrounding myself with people who are on a mission for success.
2 likesthe few times that kinda thing has happened to me.. i feel like my overall expression made everyone know i was innocent
0 likesThat's why I stay in my house until absolutely necessary to leave
1 likeI get nervous seeing a police car, and I fear that my nervousness would make them extra suspicious
2 likesStop selling drugs then. Reduces the wrong places and wrong times you can run into.
2 likes@Joshua Dowdle youtube keeps censoring my response. Apparently they dont like crime statistics.
5 likesI'm in Australia and I have been stopped and looked at a few times, also had a helicopter spot light me a few times as well lol. Never had them arrest me but it's a bit like "uhhhhhh I'm just walking at night". I was also accused of looking middle eastern after 9/11, I'm white with a big beard............That was by a security guard (twice btw) he stopped after I threatened to call the police next time, dude even checked my sandwich wrapped in al foil I was 17 ffs. I found it funny when he said what is it and I said mate it's a ham sandwich.............
1 like@Dysfunctional Veteran right?! Lol like mom why you gotta leave me w grandma like that she can’t even put my hair in a ponytail!
0 likesI often double guess myself anytime I go anywhere.
0 likesGovernment police with qualified immunity is my biggest fear.
2 likes@Josh Ricks it's already been happening.
0 likesThe right man in the wrong place can make all the difference
0 likes@URBAN JUNGLE TV No.
0 likesHe wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time though.
1 likeyou cant live your life in fear brother, if its meant to be its meant to be
0 likesAren't we all. Aren't we all Alvie at the wrong time
0 likesespecially considering your skin colour and the racism problem in the US
0 likesSame
0 likesthat's why I never leave my house Kappa
0 likes@FLAGELLANT lol that Kappa killed me
1 likeTill I got older my dude, that was the story of my life. Don't fear it though, just always create alibis
1 likeMine too. It happened to me once, nothing major but enough. The cops treated me like I was nothing.
0 likessame here, I feel like you can never win either. At home all day? No one to prove where you were. Out and about? Snatched up and no one actually bothers to look to see if you're innocent. A mix of both? They'll use your out and about to say you did it anyway.
0 likesIt really fucking scares me too... as a white person, so I can't imagine what it must be like for a poc. Stay safe out there peeps :( <3
1 likeThat’s why I never leave the house and make sure I’m on the internet 24/7
1 likeEspecially if you’re an black guy living in the U.S.
1 likeReal fucked up how decent people are used as scapegoats just so that detectives get paid.
@Glitch in the Matrix Thats also very true, because an upperclass black man is much less likely to be falsely arrested or charged than a lowerclass white man. Why? Because the rich guy has got ties, he can hire good lawyers, and is a lot less likely to be considered “prison fodder”.
1 like@Plug Yup, and there’s even numerous recordings (usually via eyewitnesses’ smartphones) of people getting killed by police officers, yet somehow the officers in question are let off scot-free half of the time.
1 like@frootjooce Well shit happens. You can be the healthiest person alive: have a balanced diet, do cardio workouts 5 days a week, and have a flawless genetic background... yet you still might get terminal cancer.
1 like@Spoutinwyze Yeah because to them, they either murdered an innocent citizen, or they successfully defended everyone else. Although the former is true, the latter is much easier to live with.
0 likesOr being set up
0 likes@Sam _ Bro if you pray god protect you
0 likesI'd probably die doing something to escape or prove my innocence before I spent my life in jail for something I didnt do. People like to blame others a little to fast these days, and sure if someone murdered a family member of mine I'd be mad too, but I wouldn't go throwing around names and accusing potentially innocent people of crimes they didnt do. I personally just loathe it when I do something nice for someone and I get treated like I was rude. It makes less than no sense at all. I say this last part because it's the whole "getting treated poorly when you've acted neutral or good" feel to it that connects the 2.
1 likeWrong place wrong time and "fitting the description "
0 likesYea man. Absolutely horrifying. I'm awkward and nervous in social situations in the exact way JCS describes near the beginning.
1 likeبسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
0 likesالسلام على من ٱتبع الهدى
@Sam _ no need to curse
The last 15 seconds is soo satisfying...
0 likesIt'd be mine too if I was a black male living in the USA...
0 likes@Matt sometimes that puts you right in them.
0 likesDin do's going mad
1 likeNo one should have to live like that. Isn't it a shame we're all presumed guilty until proven innocent. What a world.
2 likesthats why many countries have cctv everywhere. but americans so ignorant claiming it infringe their privacy. until u lock up for something u didnt do or ur family get hurts and u getting everywhere for cctv
0 likes@Blazability The accused family gets all the camera coverage on their front lawns. Accusations on the front page, Apologies on the last page in very small letters.
1 like@Ahmad S sorry daddy 😖😿😭
0 likesI don't know, dry bum rape would probably be my biggest fear. Then again that could be a case of wrong place wrong time?
2 likesThis comment messed me up. I’m sorry brother
0 likesWhatever you fear will find you....
0 likes....start saying ‘The right place at the right time’
right, but now you know what to do man. just be yourself. and hope for a capable investigator.
0 likesImagine how many people are in prison right now for crimes they didn't commit.
0 likesWith the wrong color.
0 likesYeah man. There was a span of a few months were I was getting pulled over weekly by police as I walked home from various places. "You fit the description of xxx." Or something like that. It's terrifying man. I was a teen then but large and being surrounded on all side by cops berating you with questions and yelling at you when you try to answer? That'd make anyone nervous, not just a kid but they call nervousness a sign of guilt.
1 likeImagine being in jail for decades for something you didn’t do
1 likeOh god me too.
0 likesLooking like that, I believe you. I'm a skinny white dude, i'm innocent even when i'm not
0 likesNow that you mentioned it, you do match a profile. You should probably go to a local police station for interrogation
0 likesDealing with it rn
0 likesI was falsely accused of serious felonies. It was all based on a likely bad faith report by someone who actually wanted to destroy me and the severe mismanagement of the whole affair of my military unit made it much, much worse.
0 likesThat's what happened to me, from flea arrested and taken to the jail house for 2 months, my attorney was eventually able to prove my innocence but dude it was a long and scary ride because I was arrested for indecency with a minor
0 likes"have you tried not beei white or not living in a state with systematic racism and widespread police brutality?"
1 like- ignorant people
probably
Your only answer to police is lawyer even if your innocent. Remember anything you say can be used against you so anything you say will not help you.
2 likes@jryde421 that’s ashamed that he was treated like he was guilty before they did THEIR JOB‼️ IT’S INNOCENT INTIL PROVEN QUILTY‼️
0 likes@RUSTY EXACTLY‼️ GREAT POINT!
0 likesHome is the only place to be!
0 likesjit
0 likesYeah plus being a person of colour makes it worse
0 likesdont worry, this is 2021. CCTV everywhere, phones everywhere. Trackers in your phones etc. As long as yyoure innocent, more times youll be fine if u remain composed.
0 likesDon't be a plug then?
0 likesI don’t have any interesting input to this discussion, but I want to be the 200th edit so here I am
1 like@Paul Davis many
0 likes@Lions Roar Studios that's fucked up.
0 likes@Norrotaku who are you talking to
0 likes@A T no it does not. Color doesnt matter. What does matter is if you are a drug addict. If you use, you are 100% guilty before any evidence is seen. Color doesnt matter
1 like@TrYz RAID not true.
0 likes@Jason Gooden that will never happen.
0 likes@Glitch in the Matrix yeah, good thing is I have my life back and am very happy
0 likes@Lions Roar Studios I wish I could say the same.
0 likes@Lions Roar Studios I was put through the ringer and spent ten years paying a surgeon 10 grand of the 20 grand in restitution. And if I have another 5 grand for the lawyer to go to trial I would have beaten the charges. But I spent my life savings paying the lawyer to get me out of sitting in state penn for 5 years. So I said fuck this. I am not going to work the rest of my life for nothing. And that's not to mention the principals of admitting guilt when I know I was not guilty. That was the hardest part. But I left my home. My country, my family, and everything I have ever known. For a chance at a somewhat normal life. It's been 2 years and I am finally doing well. Learning how to speak Spanish is something I always wanted to do anyway.
1 likeA few key things to remember if you're caught in this situation..
2 likesNumber 1) Always comply. You cannot plead your case from a grave.
Number 2) Lawyer. The. Fuck. Up.
I don't care if you were there or not..
I don't care if you actually committed the fuckin' crime..
Lawyer. Up.
Cops are generally good people trying to do good things but there's always the off-chance that yes, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and you in fact had nothing to do with whatever happened. However, maybe that cop has either exhausted all of his other options, and is now barreling down in his mind that only you could've caused what happened, and is going to press you until you break or make a mistake, or he is one of those rare exceptions that is just a bad cop. "Look, we could do all the run-around but we've got someone here, already, let's stick it to this dude and call it a day" kind of cop..
Either of these situations, the moment you are pulled in, lawyer your ass up. If they are one of those shittier cops they might try some dirty shit like "Well that just makes ya look guilty!" bullshit, but in reality, it just makes you smart. (This is also illegal btw.)
Police have a lot of practice in Verbal Judo.. You'd be surprised what they can do to frustrate you, get ya upset, and make you say some shit that you don't mean, or even shit that you had no part in.. And it's even worse when it's taken out of context & read in a court setting where you get little to no wiggle room to explain yourself or why you said what you did.
Get that lawyer the moment they want to speak with you. No matter what. There is no "Just a friendly chat!" with police, unless you're like, shooting the shit in a grocery store checkout line. Lol
Ya'll may be smart, and I'm sure ya'll know a lot about a ton of things.. But not on this. Lawyers even lawyer up when they get into shit, so that right there is tellin' ya something. Lol
@D Cypher abso-fuckin-lutely, I did and I was able to prove my innocence
0 likes@Jonathan Davis you have the same name as the lead singer of Korn
0 likesSame
0 likesWe should all wear body cams. Just to have an alibi.
0 likes@Nervous Sips Its a percentage thing
0 likes@Spoutinwyze Me too, bro ! I know we need 'em but I try to stay away from them.
0 likessame, just another reason to get more unique looking tattoos.
0 likesWhich is why I'm perfectly fine going to work then going home and that's it.
1 likeAfter watching this I totally agree. Holy shit some people just unlucky.
0 likesNever say anything other than “I’d like an attorney.” EVER!!!
0 likesIt happened to me. I was 18. It was year 2003. I was accused of forced robbery with violence of 2 girls. Where I live there were no rights then, they just got me on the road and took me to police station. There they did mental preassure on my and beat me up for 3 days until I made a false confession, because I just couldn't stand that situation anymore. I just wanted it to end and leave that place, even if it meant to go to prison. At the end of 3 days fortunately I was releassed. So happy ending, but I still have some anxiety problems.
0 likesExcuse my english
Wtf i used to watch your videos
0 likesThe only solution to be outside and avoid getting accused is to wear a suit or clown costume or maybe drag queen too, because not all burglar wear those 🙂👍
1 likeSays the plug
0 likes@FAMbcz you can’t escape it, sometimes. Like the woman who was raided by the FBI, because facial recognition picked her out of the January 6th riot. Turns out it wasn’t her face, at all. It was another woman that really didn’t even look like her. Yet, she had to deal with all the stress of guilty until proven innocent.
0 likesNope cuz if I’m not doing anything wrong ima get a nice check from it
0 likesI couldn't agree more.
0 likesIt's not even that. They just picked up a random guy from the street and tried to get a confession out of him.
1 likeStay strong my black brother.
0 likesYeah same here
1 likeI'm always in the situation..
0 likes@RUSTY They do it to everybody but it is easier to do with people who aren't wealthy and there are alot of black people in that position. The police knows poor people can't afford top tier lawyers. And since the USA have a privatised prison industry (sadly, yes it is an industry) the police knows they have to deliver a quota of inmates. Finding the actual perpetrator isn't top priority anymore, finding anyone is more important.
2 likesThis happened to me TODAY. I won't go into the details but I was pulled out of public transport and questioned for something I didn't do, just because I passed through the same area and had the same color of clothes and was in a hurry.
2 likesWatch the great movie The Ox Bow incident to really show being in the wrong place at the wrong time...and to really bring home the most basic and important RIGHT in law: Innocent until Proven guilty, in open court, represented by competent, ethical and experienced counsel.
0 likes@Sam _ You could just be going to a restaurant or shopping and be in the wrong place while doing so. Then this situation happens or something similar. Odds are it won’t happen.
0 likesMee to
0 likesYour name is plug, I’m sure your guilty of something
0 likesShould've put the cop in general population for a few days, um you know just until we sort this out. Its not very nice in there but um its just for a few hours. Bet he never does that again
0 likesMy biggest fear is dying in denial of my fate.
0 likesJudging by your pfp, you are of African American descent, and no matter how much people will say about equality, I do fear if you ever ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time that your skin would make you "more incriminating" because that genuinely happens a lot no matter what people say about the police. Not all police, but if you are picked up on wrong place wrong time and they are still pushing, they will be prejudice people no doubt. When the bad are actually at work, it's literally the worst situation imaginable
0 likesr/usernamechecksout
1 like@Sam _ I dream of being put in jail for something I didn’t do. Give me a lil time so I can become an instant multi millionaire when I sue the state or whatever. I know it sounds dumb but eventually they’ll find out I didn’t do it.
0 likesRightfully so - along with lying cops who are not obliged to tell the truth and who have professional pressures e.g. clear up rates they have to hit to gain personal benefit e.g., promotionm - it's bullshit.
0 likes@Jonathan Davis you cant be in wrong place and time when u sits in your basement all day
0 likes@Al Al damn sorry to hear that. Any advice that you have learned from your experience?
0 likesColor
0 likesI'm white, but my best friend who was my point man in Afghanistan, and who ran towards gunfire like he was running to a party, hasn't left his house in 5 years from fear of situations exactly like this. And from what he said, if he was white he would be able to enjoy life more. Your fears are 100 percent justified my friend.
2 likeswhy what you done befour????
0 likes@Definitely Not FBI damn dude that’s horrible. I feel this angst all the time as well, it holds me back from living my life. Why is this world so cruel? Is it worth living in it anymore if I am looked at as subhuman?
0 likes@etiopisk4life I feel like no matter what, people look for excuses to hate each other. I grew up in a mobile home park, single mom, 30k a year, you know what I'm saying. Because of that every girl I tried to date, their parents said no, I was embarrassed to bring friends over, and my teachers called me "trailer trash", the first time being in 4th grade. When I barely graduated I joined the military immediately after and after I got wounded and my local paper published articles, they all tried acting buddy buddy 🤣. Everything I do in my life is with the express purpose and goal of proving them wrong. It caused a lot of damage, but what you guys deal with is a grosser version of that. Prayers brother.
1 likeWhen that happens remember god is testing you
0 likesi went into place 3 minutes after armed robbery happened there and the people who did it left already so when police came they only questioned me... i got out of it after getting questioned though so no problems and they caught the criminal after 2 days
0 likesI am so very sorry that you have to live with this fear. It's not fair 😔🙏🏻
0 likesPeople always assume that if youre in court, you did something to be there.
0 likesLots of people say that it could never happen to them. It could.
Wrong place, wrong time and wrong race.
0 likes@atomed2 How can you try to bring race into it when the video includes a white guy in the same situation?
4 likeshe was found innocent and got compencation money for 3 days of bs , i rather be in the wrong place at the wrong time in the US anydaaaay
0 likesLiterally, like I know it’s such an irrational fear but I’m still terrified that like a friend will get murdered and they’d link me to the crime
1 like@Definitely Not FBI BS lol
0 likes@Cameron Hogg this statement should end at '' i know its irrational '' there is no but after that , you know its irrational , do you not see how stupid this sounds ? its an irrational thing and you know how and why , so why try to reason it in to existence ? dude the SAAAAME shit HAPPENED to the white dude IN THE SME VIDEO why you people caping on the fact the was a bleep ?
1 likeAlways get a receipt. Keep it in your pocket all day.
0 likeshappened to me and my sister like 7 years ago, we went to store to get food for nfl sunday and on the way back i suggested we see our old house which is on the way home, as we leave the neighborhood cop pulls us over. we assumed it was cause my sister didnt use a blinker but when we got pulled over 5 more cops and k9 showed up for " throwing bombs at people " ( dry ice in water bottles we later found out ) cops kept trying to get us to admit to it even going as far as to " the report we got had both you and your sisters names exactly " and due to it being a bomb threat they treated literally everything in the car as a bomb, they were trying to decide for a good 30 minutes if they needed to call a bomb squad or w/e cause my moms work badge didnt have her picture or anything on it so they assumed it was a plastic explosive or something ... after about 3 hours on the side of a rode with steep drainage ditch / no shoulder they finally "admit to lying", the persons who was driving the car had a similar name to my sisters and the car they drove was like 1 or 2 years model different than one we were driving... the cops had the balls to say " it was just a simple case of misidentification
0 likesYep that’s something we should all be concerned with.
2 likesWelcome to the 21st Century.
0 likes@FAMbcz yes, but don't think the gaming wasn't designed to Control your mind, either...
0 likesThe Powers That Be know EXACTLY what "THEY" are doing.
The trouble is, people just don't want to realize or accept it.
Stay VIGILANT.
@Sarah Roy exactly... And what really irks me about that is, in truth, more "whites" are beaten, shot and killed by police... HISTORICALLY.
2 likesNobody seems to "get" that The Powers That Be have heavily employed Race Baiting as a tactic in the last 2 years or so.
And nobody seems intelligent enough to research the subject on their own, instead listening to and believing what the Talking Heads in the Shill Media tell them.
And the detective is colorblind and has dementia.
0 likesAgree on that. That thing is also in the back of my mind
0 likesDitto!
0 likesI agree. That said: I am glad that this innocent "suspect" sued the pants off of this Canadian police department. If it became more common for law enforcement to pay for their mistakes or targeting (including by the guilty officers actually losing their jobs), then I think that they would be less inclined to committing such dishonest and vile tactics. Unfortunately, there would still be people who would hear of this crime and his arrest and believe in his guilt -- despite the fact that he did NOT do it. Many people simply aren't good critical thinkers.
0 likes💯 bro shit can go bad fast
0 likesThis might sound dumb but if somoene is picked out of a line up wrongly maybe get like 4ft high purple hair? Job done no mistaken identity? (either dumb or genius- you decide)
0 likesmichael LMAO love the sarcasm
1 likeIt's my biggest fear and I'm a white guy. I understand that many innocent people went to the chair because they looked like someone else.
1 likeYour biggest fear should be that you look like a criminal.
0 likesAmen to that.
0 likes@G ... how do you know he sells drugs?
0 likesEvery single bad thing that ever happened started with wrong place wrong time.
0 likesYes, dude. Wrong place at the wrong time they will get you! I’ve had actually much worse than that happened to me. In my case, the cops beat the crap out of me. And their witness testified as much when we went to trial. Yes, those arrogant violent cops actually took it to trial and lied on the stand.
0 likesFor example being a black pedestrian on a Friday afternoon, although some may just call that provoking the police force
0 likesmove out from States then. this is appealing how they try and imprison innocent people just to close the case. Then they throw you to 3rd country standard prison,
0 likes"Wrong place at the wrong time is one of my biggest fears? OK, just stay home...
0 likesWhen my son was 18 he walked to school everyday. My son is a very nice, mild mannered reserved young man who never gives off threatening vibes. Hos grades were excellent and he has a strange walk. I always joke with him and tell him he walks like Shaggy from Scooby Doo. Anyway. When I got off work and got home, the cops were walking out of my house. I asked them what was going on and they told me that he fit the description of somebody they were looking for who pistol whipped a man. I was very confused. I'm just glad they didn't go further with their assumptions.
0 likesFucking terrifying
0 likesTotally agree
0 likesI would say nothing when facing cops
0 likesWhat would be the worst wrong place at the wrong time scenario? getting arrested or getting something else?
0 likesI bet bro, I’m glad that at least some folks in this world 🌎 are starting to understand the difference with black folks, how many innocents sent to prison, a LOT!!! Real talk
0 likesIt's even scarier for me because I have Asperger's syndrome and anxiety issues, and even with me constantly informing them about this, they might still use my mental breakdown as evidence.
2 likes@Romance ain’t that the truth 😒
0 likesBut hey, its a chance for these rogue officers to be called out, and maybe land their asses on jail. Uno reverse.
0 likesEveryone’s biggest fear but everyone don’t know it!
0 likesI’m with you. I don’t want anything to happen to my friends and especially my enemies. I don’t need to say the wrong thing to the wrong cop and lost my entire life to prison just because they want a quick conviction.
1 likeYea
0 likesAnd the scary thing is you have no control over it
0 likesbeen there not nice on my 18th bday got picked up for assault and affray was pissed off man had all my brand new cloths taken off me and sent off to the lab what id just got for my bday new fresh kicks new jeans and new jumper didnt get them back for about a month iwas released without charge but still had to spend 40 hours in a cell in a paper suit for nothing
0 likes@Sam _ gotta get out those situations before they happen?
0 likesEspecially being black in this country. Can’t say I understand, but I feel for you.
0 likesI'm glad Michael was paid for his 3 days in prison. What a nightmare.
0 likesI worry sometimes would happen to my husband if I died accidentally while we were hanging out. Like I fell down the stairs or something with my clumsy ass. I love my husband and I'd turn in my grave about how the justice system always assumes it's the husband. It's a messed up thing to think about, but it does come to my mind.
0 likesYep. Always been my biggest fear because you have absolutely no control over it.
0 likesBut your name is plug
0 likesSame here.. that’s why I’m extremely selective with the places I put myself, to minimize the chance of that unlucky wrong coming down the pike.
0 likes@RUSTY Jesus H. Christ, way to twist a single anecdote into a misinformed narrative.
2 likes@Glitch in the Matrix If you’re going to be honest, it happens more often the other way. Cases like Susan Smith (killed her own children and blamed black guys) are so common that it’s become a cliche.
1 likeYeah then imagine being a girl, then you have a whole lot more things to fear
0 likesSAME
0 likeshappened to me and my hubby in twin cities in 2018 thankfully they believed us. There were people pretending to be carpet cleaners and breaking into people's houses and we happened to be on a walk right when it was happening lol. not good.
0 likesYUPP , its a stressing situation when your ACTUALLY saying the truth and nobody believes u or being in a place coincidencaly while something happened
1 like@Jason Joshua Kent ur so sweet , but uh yea i mean idk. its hard , but things happen for a reason. honestly for the first black male , i think it was racism that caused him to look "guilty" even though the descriptions were " a caucasian short male". ( i know this is offtopic but i needed to share that thought)
1 likeI always obsess over police collecting my dna at a crime scene when in fact for example my hair was swept by the wind and ended up on their clothes before they died. 😂 😂 😂 😂 ✨ Anxiety ✨
0 likes20:20 hopefully this statement gets rid of that fear lol
0 likesSame that's why I stay home-
0 likesYeah same dude
0 likes@Matthew H This had nothing to do with government and the officers were all both demoted and suspended without pay and the victim was payed so if it was for racist causes at least things were made right
0 likesBut u the plug
0 likes@Basmala Saad marry me
0 likesWinning a sue for 46k for 3 days in jail it’s not bad you know...
0 likes@sjow not all. I got nothing
0 likes@El Zong Xina that's not nice to say. And I believe colored people is not ok to say either. Stop being racist. And I know a lot of African Americans that's re good people.
0 likes@Sasha West ? ?
0 likes@Nervous Sips they do that to me all the time. I have a habit of copy and paste my comment in the note pad. So I can sing into one of 6 google accounts until one stays up.
0 likes@SmoothTurtle yes that's true. The sentencing is bias.
0 likes@Jonathan Rubino yep
0 likes@Leo Doran that depends on who you ask. Some gentlemen might find that type of thing right up their alley, or butthole, however you want to say it.
0 likes@Paul Davis it's gotta be 10%
0 likes@Chance that's the truth.
0 likes@Dozzio Calseeo I have not been in prison but have been in and out of jail. And paying a surgeon 15 grand.i got to 9000 before I said fuck this and left. I will not work the rest of my life to pay a rich man for jewelry I didn't take. I can never go home. My grandmother just died, and I couldn't go to the funeral. And my pap is getting close. And he is my hero. It's really going to fuck with me when I can be there for that. But I won't risk going back there.
0 likes@George sorry to hear that brother. And with your service, I bet that feels extra shitty
0 likes@Norrotaku what state is that? The one with widespread racisms?
0 likes@ITILII the problem is, if you can't afford a good lawyer. Which is a lot of people these days.
0 likes@Slick Andrews 100% correct.
0 likesdefinitely. if you ever do find yourself arrested for something you didn't do though, get legal help and don't say anything. the police will tell you it makes you look guilty, but they're just trying to question you without legal help. in no legal system should you be presumed q=guilty for seeking advice from a professional. They will try and get you to grass yourself up, it's how they get convictions like 95% of the time.
0 likes@Local Man fo sho
0 likesWrong place and Wrong time? 46K paycheck for 3 days? Sounds quite nice, but I would be surely fighting for that half mil.
1 likewhen that happens you HAVE to insist on getting a lawyer ASAP and say NOTHING else except "im thirsty, im hungry, i want MY lawyer"
0 likesI've been there my guy. 2009 I went to buy a coffee at Tim hortons I just moved to edmonton... while buying my coffee a cop came in and started pushing me around saying hey you look like someone we were looking for etc. Etc. I told them I just moved to edm and they kept harassing me. Worst experience ever. Made me lose a ton of respect for police after that.
0 likes@J B it could have went very bad for him though, if he didn't have any evidence to back up his story.
0 likes@Local Man I agree, that's true in any case whether it is business or well this... I am just glad the guy received payment for his inconvenience and I hope it made him whole.
1 like@Drake Awoken I agree, although sometimes that 350-600/hour bill can be quite intimidating.
0 likes46k earned for 3 days of hassle? I hope I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time sometime in my life.
0 likesAs a young black male this all I think about.
0 likes@Sam _ Then Spending the rest of your life ,Saying,,,,I DID NOT DO IT!,Scary....Stuff of nightmares.
0 likesstory of my life since i was born :'D
0 likesLike 7Eleven at 3 a.m. with sawed off shotgun in hand.
0 likesAll you can do is be as compliant as possible. I worry about that shit too. I look like a drug dealer and drive an 89 Caprice lmao. Just gotta be compliant and deal with the shit till it's over
0 likesnever and I mean never talk to cops or FBI because you were accused of something ,even if you were playing golf with Jesus. If your in Chicago call Sam Adams Jr. or Joey the shark Lopez.
0 likes@Plug stop breaking the law
0 likesI’m pretty sure that’s just about everyone’s fear unless they’re completely naive. No one is immune from being falsely accused and convicted.
0 likesit really is a terrifying thing to think about. you could do everything right and have your entire life upended because of dumb luck, and all that youve worked towards gets tossed away. your opportunities for education, jobs and even owning a home or car become severely limited and even if youre exonerated you still have that stigma attached
0 likesits really hard, because no one wants an innocent person in jail, but no one wants a guilty person on the loose. if only there was a way to instantly tell if someone was guilty
0 likes@michael yeah they definitely dont descriminate against black people, not at all
0 likesWhat fears me is acting suspicious whilst trying not to seem suspicious.
0 likesOdd biggest fear..
0 likeshave you played among us?
0 likesSame
0 likesRead Pslam 58. Real Magic, Real Result
0 likesfr
0 likes@John Smith that would be stupid, if you get pulled over by cops theyll be more on edge coz they cant see if you got a gun or not
0 likesI’ve had it happen more than once.... how you think that makes me feel?? 🤨🤨
0 likesPut in cuffs AND verbally abused about a few of them. 😐😐
Usually it’s because of my calves tattoos, but sometimes it’s weird shit. 🤷♂️
This is why I don’t leave my house.
0 likesSame.
0 likesYou mean being black and arrested just for that? They got a description of a small white male for the first guy.
0 likesSaaame
0 likesI would fight tooth and nail and probably not be as nice as that guy was. I got mad respect for him staying so calm. I’m glad he got money for the shitty detective work that was done there
0 likesespecially as a black person.
0 likes@melloi You don't have to be black. All you need is an old model car, deep suntan or natural pigment, long hair if you're a guy, driving a VW bus, or smiling too much with too many females laughing too much. I've witnessed all of them.
0 likesWhenever I feel like something sketchy is going down I press record on my phone, even if its just the audio at least I have a solid alibi
0 likessame
0 likesFr
0 likesIt happens bro. If you really didn’t do it it’s extremely unlikely that you will be charged for it. Unfortunately people are still mis charged.
0 likesI mean 40k for 3 days in jail, I would do it
0 likesI got a fix for that.. indoors.. home.. 24/7
0 likesFor you blacky
0 likesI felt that. I pray you never have to go through that.
0 likesMine too after witnessing 2020
0 likes@Sam _ none of the innocents in prison want that.
0 likesKamala knowingly put innocent men on death row I’ve heard. I’m Sure she’s not the only one.
WAIT IS THAT PLUG
0 likesYou see it happens and they figured it out.
0 likesHad a crazy girl prevent me from leaving her house because I didn't want to be in a relationship with her. I was stuck there for 3 hours explaining why and multiple times she tried to throw herself on me and at the end of it, 30 minutes of her blocking the door and preventing me from leaving. Telling me to beat her down "I wll murder you", etc. I went to the bathroom and turned on audio recording on my phone to capture that to protect myself incase she tried to turn it around on me. Luckily nothing came of it. Still have the recording.
0 likesStop doing shit then, and youll be fine.
0 likes@Jonas Mellberg Doing what? I wasn't fooling around. She was nuts
0 likesJust like the guy at the end of the video.. that simple
0 likesThat's a very valid fear.
0 likes@alaynalx you’re right but I was beat almost to death for no reason at all and both the guys that did it got off without so much as a slap on the wrist even though everyone knew they did it. I’d still ten times rather see a guilty person go free than an innocent person be convicted. We shouldn’t write off innocent convictions as a necessary consequence.
0 likesIf you watched the video you can actually see a white male being wrongfully accused as well. 🤦🏻♀️ nice try fellas, nice try.
1 likeSame
0 likes@JnsKage l9m
0 likesOmegle troller, I watch your channel
0 likes@Sam _ I was put in jail for something I didn't do and it was a horrible 3 yrs of my life!🤦♂️
0 likes@jryde421 dude, it’s not just black people. I know several white people who were ABSOLUTELY screwed over. They were accused of crap, and one of them that accused one of the guys I know changed their story MULTIPLE freakin times, but apparently that didn’t matter. Another, they knew for a fact he wasn’t even in the area in which the crime he was accused took place (because they had video of him in a totally different town 23 miles away, and the crime took place 11 minutes after the video showed him in a store. Guess they think he’s Superman, like he’s faster than a speeding bullet.
0 likesThat one completely and utterly blows my mind how it’s even possible to still convict with proof of innocence like that. I personally know 3 different people (all 3 white guys), and it didn’t add up at ALL. Some police just don’t give a crap, because they’re either too lazy to want to actually investigate things, or they just so badly want to convict someone and close the case that they couldn’t care less who actually did it. Either way, it’s beyond vile and pathetic.
Yea
0 likes@slimshead8100 what I said went over your head.
1 likealmost happened to me once crazyiest shit
0 likesmeanwhile your name is "Plug"
0 likesYou’ve got every right to be afraid of that. Holy shit has that scenario been a literal nightmare for so many people, the worst part is being completely unable to do anything about it. Fucking. Horrifying.
0 likesSame
0 likesit is a scary thing and some can't do anything about it...
0 likesthey were born in the wrong place the wrong time
@FAMbcz we live in a society, man
0 likesespecially if it "DOESNT" kill you, cause you know if you die its just over you dont exist anymore but if you have to go to jail for something you didnt do thats the true horror.
0 likesHe was at the right place at the right time, He was compensated $46000 for being illegally detained. he got much more money than the criminals who broke in to the jewellery store legally. When you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.
0 likesI've actually run into this a couple times in my life, but thankfully other officers busted the right person while I was still being held and questioned (not yet under arrest). I don't wish for anyone to have to go through how bad that process can get when they are legitimately innocent. I'm just glad that my experiences were so quickly resolved.
0 likesbut bro, he got PAID
0 likesThe fact that the actual criminal was not even of the same race as him and the officers knew that 😒
1 likeNo matter what guilty or not you don’t say nothing about nothing if being questioned...let them talk their bull💩 look them in the eye after there done just say you wanna talk to your lawyer most could careless if you did it or not
0 likesIkr
0 likesAt least there are cameras, these days.. where you work, where you live
1 likePatrice O'neal had that great bit about that and littering... you have to see it if you haven't.
0 likesGood thing is I’m a “irregular person” bc i am Asian American but live in England and I’m also alternative and will always be wearing converse but more commonly platforms so it would be hard to mistake me for someone else lol might still happen tho
0 likesOng
0 likesGOD is righteous. If you repent of your sins, believe in Jesus, get baptised and recieve the Holy Spirit, you will be on the course of salvation. And if you continue to act in faith for Jesus, you aill receive eternal life
0 likesThis is why I recommend writing in a daily journal
0 likesyeah and then the accuser is going off of the closest looks witch is understandable but they might choose someone who is no where close to the suspect
0 likesYeah, bruh... Mine too
0 likesEspecially for a black guy, no offence my man.
0 likes@JnsKage I’m sure you see the Plug a lot. lol 🔌
0 likesSo true
0 likessometimes i really hate police behavior
0 likes@FAMbcz that's more humans not being all knowing rather than societal problems.
0 likes@Trapnヹゴか Was this a reply to me? Or in general?
0 likesThat's why i never leave my room, problem solved!
1 likeAnd it can happen to anyone. Any race, criminal history or no criminal history, rich or poor. It doesn't even matter. It is terrifying. We are definitely guilty until proven innocent here.
0 likes@Sam _ there are plenty of people doing life for a homicide they didn't commit. Someone just got released after 30 years for a crime they didn't commit
0 likesYou're clear now, you can show this coment if that's happen...
0 likesAs an intervort i think i would aco 100% like the guy in the video
0 likesBro just stay home 🏠
0 likesApparently, if you are black (especially a black male) anyplace is the wrong place and anytime is the wrong time. Car broken down on the side of the road, buying a gun at a store that sells guns...I was surprised when he said this was in Canada. My first thought was Any City, USA.
0 likesIt should be , we have no idea how many innocent people are sitting in prison just because they have poor communication skills, or simply believed the system would work and in the end the truth would come out.
1 likeMany detectives are in fact not very smart and in reality don’t care whether you are guilty or not, it is their job to arrest someone for the crime and as long as they do they will sleep soundly .
Many promotions in law enforcement are based on collars and even though police will deny it they do have quotas but they call them “productivity goals”🤣.
Our officers are trained for a few months given zero essential tools like other countries that have a 2-4 year training .
Sadly the longer you do the job the more cynical you become and why I hate seeing 60 year old detectives that should have long since been removed from active duty.
And they weren’t even at the place, that’s the funny part
0 likesYes. Like imagine walking in on a dead body just laying somewhere, and the police show up right then and there. That’s whenever I go to the store, I only walk there and walk home, no messing around.
0 likesits happend to me i was arrested for criminal mischief 5-20000$ wich is a felony my bond was 5,000$ and the centance carrys 5-10 years prison i did 30 days in county than got charges droped, i was at my own house and accused of this by cops YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP denton county jail Benjamin hall #2 I WAS ALSO ARRESTED AND SEXUALY ASSAULTED BY POLICE AND THAN INTERROGATED FOR 7ROBBERYs claimed there was witnesses all that!! i was innocent and not charged for iether of those crimes FTP
0 likesI’m so sorry that you have to go through that worry. It must be terrifying to be a black guy. I’m not sure where you are from but it must be scary. I’m sorry that there is so much injustice in the world against black individuals x lots of love from the U.K. X
0 likesWhen i was 16 i got picked up for car stereo theft just because i was outside in the same apartment complex.... i spent all night and the next day in jail, then when they didn't have any evidence they hit me with a curfew charge since i was under 18 and out after midnight n held me longer until my mom bailed me out, had to go to court twice and do diversion STILL after they knew i was innocent.... scumbags just trying to get me for anything....
1 likeok
0 likesEspecially being black in America, I share your fears
0 likesNot even that just knowing the wrong person
0 likes@Nervous Sips There is absolutely outrage for that incident. I’ve seen countless comments on forums and Youtube alike referring to it and using it as an example of a heinous police murder. You’re being intentionally disingenuous, and if you’re doing it for free it’s really pathetic.
0 likesI don’t go anywhere, anytime.
0 likes@RUSTY the white guy was held because someone had specifically accused him of committing the crime. the black guy was held for ultimately mo reason, and a witness had specifically told him that she saw a SHORT, WHITE MALE. they arrest the TALL, BLACK MALE. what does this look like to you? open your eyes.
2 likesWhy this comment have this much of fucking likes
0 likesIt wasn’t wrong place wrong time.
0 likesIt was a ignorant cop. He knew damn well that was not him:
@Joe Sickler ✊🏻
0 likesDon't fuckin blame ya
1 likeWith crooks like this investigator, absolutely! But this guy acted honourably and he got rewarded $46000 is awesome!
0 likesSame
0 likesthats why i dont leave my fucking house
0 likesSame
0 likes@FAMbcz Hey man, if you are from EEUU i get you, i dont know how people can live there without fear
0 likesYea me too :(
0 likesHow do you get 180k thumbs up with
1 likeOnly 56k comments in the comments section?
Or it’s exactly where you need to be …..?
0 likesThat's everyone's biggest fear. Especially if you've got ANY priors.
1 likeuntil you sue can get paid
0 likesI’ve never seen a comment with this many questions wow
1 likeMeeeeeeeee 2
0 likesOn the good side, technology, investigative and forensic techniques are constantly improving, so proving guilt or innocence should become easier. On the bad side, inept or corrupt law enforcement is always out there.
1 likeyes
0 likes10000000% i have nightmares being in a jail and screaming i didn't do anything.. knowing my life is being taken away for sometihng i didn't do.
0 likesI can't imagine what its like for real innocent people that are in jail.. its bs. And cares should be reviewed frequently
Especially with darker skin, black dudes get blamed all the time
1 likeYour names plug bro 🤣
0 likesholy fuck 202,000 likes ?? ive never seen so many likes on a comment this is insane
0 likesTHIS.
0 likesYeah mines sharks but this is equally scary lol
1 likeThe best thing to do is to not run if you're spotted in that shitty situation, avoid raising any suspicious. At the end if you're no you're innocent you act that way nothing can happen to you.
0 likesDamn, this is the most liked comment I’ve ever seen!!
0 likesDid YouTube ever notify you about your 210k likes? Well I did, your welcome
0 likesSame with me, my biggest (unrelated) fear is losing my vision.
0 likes@FAMbcz holy shit thats an unhealthy rationalization
0 likesI don't like the fact that when you get confession void of evidence, you get promoted faster. This seems to incentivize investigators to bluff innocent people and send them to jail.
1 likeI’ve only got a quarter of the way through and already I see what they mean when they say the demeanor of the innocent and guilty are usually vastly different
1 likeMy first reaction to the interrogation would have probably been, after the detective said he has evidence, I would have said "I know you are lying, because I didnt do anything"
0 likes"Getting a confession void of evidence is , in fact, excellent for a investigators career."
1 likeOh so you mean that this behaviour is not only encouraged but rewarded with career acceleration.
Funny that hey?
“The evidence I have is quite frankly conclusive and overwhelming” what a joke! He cared more about closing the case than the innocent mans life
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My dear friend kaiba boy!
3 likes@Hoxha FPV Kaiba’s the real king of games. He lost to Atem not Yugi!!!
3 likesThat's ALL of them when they're incentivized to do that
5 likes@Crypto Facts facts!
0 likesAs do most with that level and position of power.
0 likes"getting a confession before a crime can get you a promotion"
11 likesENOUGH SAID
@Seto Kaiba then that would make atem king of games
0 likes@Seto Kaiba plus yugi dueled atem
0 likes"weather you did it or not is not up for discussion" is infuriating to hear being told to an innocent person
2 likesMy gf’s been false accusing me for cheating, sometimes I can keep my cool but mostly I’m just like Justin. The worst is people tends trust their false judgment by the angry reaction, but this is the only thing I could do to defend myself at least.
0 likesIt's so infuriating when the investigator keeps pressing Michael with the same question over and over, just lying through his teeth
1 likeI just want to point out that the guy w/beard was obviously from the South and the bald guy was from Canada. The difference in the two cultures could be why their reactions were so different.
2 likesDamn that ending, get rekt
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damn hi
5 likes@chez can i have chez burger too
11 likesGg
3 likesI would have liked to see the officers involved have their dignity and autonomy stripped and be imprisoned for a few days just like he was.
135 likes@Richard C. Mongler agreed. Or in addition to the demerits and suspension they should personally issue a public apology. Idiots like them give all cops a bad name, they knew exactly what they were doing. Unfortunately, here in the US that kind of punishment is virtually unheard of.
50 likes@Richard C. Mongler honestly. like that guy who was talking to him the first time literally said he was going to look into it and didn’t do jack shit.
29 likesHello checkmark
1 like@maniac Yeah of course what your address? ill try to come over right away
3 likesI’m happy that it worked out for him and that he was only kept for 3 days. 3 days too long, but when some people serve years being innocent it isn’t bad. I just would have requested a public shaming of them, to let everyone know they didn’t want the truth at the very least 1 time.
8 likesfor real 46G's EZ Clap boys
1 likeYeah, seriously. This whole video pissed me off, but the end of it left me with a huge smile on my face.
6 likes46k for 3 days in jail? Sign me up!
10 likes@Joshua its the occupation and beaviour of authorities that gives them a bad name, they themselves made it that way, if it wasnt for the nature of the job, maybe few normal people would get in, not all those bastards that enjoy powertrips, atleast normal police officer is rarity, like big fucking rarity
5 likesYh boi
0 likesYea i enjoyed it
0 likesI literally said fucking good out loud after i heard they were demoted and suspended without pay. What a bunch of incompetent assholes, about to ruin someones life. Glad he got 46k for 3 days of sitting in jail tho, big win. Still believe he should have gotten more for the trauma from this, guy will be scared to leave the house.
11 likes@Scry Also, he might have or could have lost his job over this. It was just as well he got that money, and hope the 3 miserable days he went through turned out profitable and his life wasn't all messed up. I imagine he would be scared of the police after this. They should have been fired!
7 likes@Scry I was hoping that figure would have one or two more zeros on the end, but I get why they maybe didn't want to push it
1 likedemoted and suspended without pay, RIP smartass detectives
1 likeGlad that there were actually consequences this time. I’m quite irritated that bastard said all those sweet words like searching for the truth when he literally did nothing and needed someone else to wipe his ass before an innocent person could go free
2 likesEveryone involved in this blatant harassment and injustice of the innocent should be held accountable under a court of law.
2 likesit wasn't about racism...
0 likesDucking amazing ending
0 likesYes
0 likesI literally made a standing ovation. It was wonderful. Officers demoted and the guy got a big paycheck.
0 likesWhat a difficult subject matter to approach. Rarely does it happen that one can say, I'm sure the activities outlined in this paragraph of law here, judge, constitute the illegal action you witnessed or are concerned I committed. That's why that question was posed as a hypothetical to me. Mind bending. It came down to, in what capacity was I acting in, lawyer, officer, agent, judge, or just human being; as a human it's fine, as the others no and this idea of do I need remedial or custodial care today? No. One can feel guilty or feel innocent and be neither. Like all jobs, there are idiots who watch interrogations or police officers and think they know it all. A common law enforcement defence is, "Well they're guilty of something" and it's true if you get dragged into the police station yes there's probably something to it. I've never seen Sad Sally Teapot take a bullet. I'd like to know why the first suspect is taking a bus and standing in an alley during a blackout. My guess is smoking cracked cocaine or meth. As you can see no one cares about it either, and maybe they should. Maybe people should just live in gated communities and have neighborhood watch; that was George Zimmerman's problem. Maybe people should smoke crack or meth and storm the Capitol ending the United States of America. Right, good work everybody!
0 likesThis is so incredibly frustrating to watch. This is legit my biggest fear
1 likeIf police sit you down and start with accusations, there should be only one word that comes outta your mouth: Lawyer
2 likesThis is why you always stay silent or if you are in the US invoke your 5th amendment right to silence if wrongly accused. Do not give them any information and speak to a lawyer at the first possible opportunity.
1 likeMan watching that ex con lose his composure at the thought of going back in, that was heart breaking. The guy served his time and swore he'd never go back, and did everything right to be a good person, and to STILL get dragged back into that world. I can't imagine how horrible that must have been. Internet hug for that guy.
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@macandfries Did you watch the video? He was falsely accused and aquitted. He is innocent.
96 likes@macandfries ???
13 likesThey just went to the nearest person with a history.
29 likes"The United States has some of the highest recidivism rates in the world. According to the National Institute of Justice, almost 44% of criminals released return before the first year out of prison. In 2005, about 68% of 405,000 released prisoners were arrested for a new crime within three years, and 77% were arrested within five years."
8 likes@macandfries “he was not only found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but essentially ALL doubt.”
19 likesThat he tries so hard to deny where trash belongs is really kinda sad.
0 likes@Kodack Gaming aquitted after 2 years in jail
30 likes@Kodack Gaming Still had to go through that bull-shit though.
7 likes@Kodack Gaming Did you not watch the video lmao this innocent man spent 2 years in jail tell he was sent free for a crime he didn't commit.. Would you feel good to go to jail for 2 years and did nothing
10 likes@Cory Mize He was not still hanging out with them he says that many time he just knows them from before
11 likes@Mcgreatness why do they have accents?? Not American..?
0 likes@Dionysius 1 B what are you talking about many Americans have accents
2 likesGlad to hear they were demoted and suspended without pay. He deserves every penny of that $46000 judgement.
0 likesI'm really lucky the cops were kind when my friend died. Even thought she was the daughter of a senior police officer.
0 likesThis vid is precisely why it’s important to not speak to police- only to attorneys. The premise that innocent people have nothing to hide & therefore have no reason not to speak with police is erroneous!! If more people regularly exercised their rights, police would be less jaded and suspicious when good people do!
1 likethis shit is my worst fear.. thanks for covering police screw ups too
1 likeDude has the patience of a saint with the investigator coming at him with false accusations. Serves those guys right for not doing thier job.
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I know I hope I would have as much patience as him but I feel like I would be a wreck.
7 likesHe's Canadian thats why lol
3 likesI don't think demotions are enough - people who utterly fail at civil service shouldn't be allowed to continue at all. They should be let go after the first time they hurt someone they're supposed to protect. Keeping them in the career they've proven themselves unworthy of is what's breeding a culture of ineptitude, and hurting more and more people.
3 likesI’m watching that man thinking, “that’s probably how I would approach it too” yikes.
0 likesTheGreatDrAsian, perfection, is an unattainable goal, whilst trial and error is far from ideal, it can create the ability to critique/have feedback.
0 likesCivilians who are wrongly prosecuted, like that gentleman was, have other due processes that can compensate them.
There is not one system of law, nor civilization that is free from error.
I always behave like this man. I now know that it is certainly dangerous depending the situation
0 likesNo doubt there are no consequences for the police when they get it wrong
1 likeGlad to hear the officers had repercussions in Canada. Doesn't seem to happen in the US unfortunately.
0 likesThe officer talking to Michael: I don’t need to ask if you did it, I have evidence and I know you did
1 likeSame officer: explain the timeline of your movements. My duty is to the truth and I will investigate this story.
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It just scares me to think how many innocent citizens are in jail, being charged with a crime they didn't do. And to know that their are detectives out there falsifying evidence to get people charged with crimes that were never committed. Makes me sick.
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remember on life when martin says he’s innocent and the warden says every man here asys that don’t you find that a bit funny ? martin says forgive me if i don’t laugh now this all makes even more sense
34 likesWe probably can't even imagine the number of innocent people sitting in prison right now.... I bet the number is astronomical.
69 likesAnd for every falsely imprisoned citizen, the actual perpetrator of the crime is walking free in their place.
53 likesThe french novel Count of Monte Cristo painted a bleak but ultimately hopeful picture of how one can earn their life back from even the deepest corruptive, selfish influence that uses the justice system's faults for their sins.
8 likes200 years later, fuck all has changed, only the hope that occurs for the second half of the novel dwindles ever further.
Think of the countries that imprison people for criticizing their governments or just disagree with them. Happening now around the world.
9 likesAnd when people talk about prison reform and stuff and there's those people in the comments so smug saying "Well don't do crimes then if you don't wanna go" "Just obey the law then" as if there aren't plenty of innocent people in there right now.
12 likes@Mick K that's a good point but atleast they actually criticised their government, the criticisms being true or false they atleast do something they were told not to do, but what the original comment was talking about was being 100% innocent and get still ending up in jail in a first world country that has not the best, but at least an honest try at making a justice system, yet still being punished for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
3 likesExtremely small percentage.
5 likesits big business. they are rewarded with it. they are even more rewarded when they steal your property.
2 likesIt is said, 25% are innocent. The cases were ppl have served over 30-50 years in prison before being exonerated breaks my heart.
3 likes@Truth17John17 no investigators are smart they know who is guilty but imagine the amount of people who were guilty for sexual assault, murder, assault, and rape, millions mate millions. Defence attorneys are disgusting because they defend people who everyone knows who’s guilty.
0 likesAnd when he gets out of Jail, he's no longer the same man. Employers and companies won't want him. So at the end he may turn in a life of crime.
0 likesWe live in a Society.
A police officer can legally lie!!
1 likeAverage day in America. Now you know why we have the highest prison population in the world both in overall number and per capita.
3 likesFact; A detective Can "Legally" Tell You That He/She Has Evidence That You Committed A Crime! There is no consequences for the police that lie!
0 likesI Speak From Experience!
@Truth17John17 The average citizen can't imagine, and the number is astronomical! All of this because the cops need to try and justify their paychecks to their superiors!
1 like@Mick K it's happening here in America!
1 like@tatt4music exactly I've been to prison twice was in jail my teens into my 30s never met one inmate that seemed innocent everyone like their are millions of innocent prisoners 99.9% of all in inmates in the United States are exactly where they need to be
0 likeswell at the same time you could also say that there's an equal amount of guilty people running free because of those same flaws.
1 like@Michael Kenis I agree with you!
0 likesyeah you get so used to seeing good detectives on here you forget just like any other profession there are good guys and there are scumbags
1 like@Truth17John17 has to be the most frustrating, hopeless feeling in the world.
1 likeI've read that it could be as much as 8-10% percent of people in prison are innocent.
0 likesAnd there’s a guy who commented to take the side of police guy lol, maybe he was the police
0 likesthen do something about it
0 likes@z brooks man said defence attorneys are disgusting😂it's there job? Everyone is legally entitled to a solicitor, someone's gotta do it? And they make good money, I sense jealousy.
0 likesIt'll be worse here in the states thanks to the new SC act. Literally taking away a person's right to appeal when given horrid representation. Basically going to jail because you're poor and can't afford anything better than court appointed.
0 likes@Truth17John17 In America its estimated to be between 25000 people...and 150000.
0 likes@tatt4music Extremely small reported percentage.
0 likes@Truth17John17 Some of them got the death penalty. They were innocent too...
0 likesA whole lot.
0 likes...and people that deserve hell get off easy
0 likesThis is why I don't trust the justice system...
2 likes'Basically the truth is paramount' says the detective after lying about having a video recording of Michael committing the crime! Unbelievable!!
0 likesWow, it'd be nice if the US paid you for damages when you're wrongly incarcerated. I was locked up for 3 months for something I didn't do while I was living at home to take care of my sick mother. When the charges were dropped it was basically "sorry about that, good luck".
0 likesI find it really stupid that in many countries there is the thing called "guilty until proven innocent"
0 likesIn germany (where i am) there is the thing called "innocent until proven guilty" and that is how it should be imo
Detectives like this is why people don’t trust the justice system.
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That's part of the puzzle at least
26 likesMakes me sick seeing a dude fully changed his life and knowing he didn't do it, knowing they were gonna charge him when he was asleep at home.
92 likesbye
4 likes@Cheef Queef sorry to see you go so soon, we'll miss you :')
8 likesCop had an English accent, makes you wonder if he'd been in the police in the UK and had to leave for similar behaviour. Lying about evidence to that extent wouldn't be allowed under English law (not since they started recording interviews anyway).
29 likesThe man is still a detective. His name is Jason Leek.
8 likesLegal system, it has nothing to do with justice
3 likes@N L Wilson was wondering this myself.
1 like*why they shouldn't
0 likes@Tuesday [̸̭͋c̸̨̉o̶̮͂ŕ̷̙r̵̜̓ù̶̬ṕ̸̥t̴̤͂e̶͔͒d̵̙̏]̷̱͊ liberals are so close yet so far
0 likes@Colin Cnote if you're talking about me, I'm not a liberal and I don't care for liberals
0 likes@Tuesday [̸̭͋c̸̨̉o̶̮͂ŕ̷̙r̵̜̓ù̶̬ṕ̸̥t̴̤͂e̶͔͒d̵̙̏]̷̱͊ no I was agreeing with you against Johnny lmao
0 likesTheres more to that
0 likes@Tuesday [̸̭͋c̸̨̉o̶̮͂ŕ̷̙r̵̜̓ù̶̬ṕ̸̥t̴̤͂e̶͔͒d̵̙̏]̷̱͊ d egenerate
0 likes@Cybershark_309 okay?
0 likes@Legitmlgninja agreed
0 likes@Legitmlgninja even the ones who investigate the police and sentence them to jail..? You do realize cops still do go to jail whether or not the internet gets on them, right?
0 likes@O.K. -Oll Korrect or Ole Kurreck conviction rate for police misconduct is really low.
2 likes@Mo Green because usually the police didn’t do anything wrong
0 likes@O.K. -Oll Korrect or Ole Kurreck maybe because the prosecutors have actual relationships with the police.
0 likesI was pulled over just for vibing in my car with a song, almost got arrested but when checking on me, there’s only one Valid reason my (Suspended Driver’s license)
0 likesNow I’m on probation but on The date of the court one of the officer’s was making some stupid Jokes about stabbing and some other shit but a civil citizen making jokes like that will be serious probably taken as mental problems
This is why I will never willingly let myself be taken by police when I know I have done nothing wrong. They will know they have been in a fight. And I would love to have the president set that someone resisting what turns out to be an unlawful or false arrest is allowed.
0 likesWhether you did it or not is no longer the question... this is the courtroom, and this cop is now the jury!
0 likesThere should be a law that falsely accusing someone gives you half their sentence. Of course, this only applies if it was intentionally false.
0 likesWhy couldn't they ask the bus driver if he was on the bus? It's almost like they didn't WANT to prove his innocence
2 likesThe investigator was clearly faltering/stuttering when he realized the guy didn't do it. Some people care more for achievements/promotions/money than someone else's innocence. It worries me that people like this get do decide people's livelihoods and act self righteous about it. Disgusting.
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It was obvious he was not confident when he walked in. He could have been told by a superior to walk in an just confront him as if it was a matter of fact to see if they could get a confession without having to work for evidence. But neither of us heard that conversation, so we don't actually know.
33 likesIn his mind, he is could have just been doing his job and did not realize the severity of what he was doing until the suspect's innocence showed through.
Not as an excuse of course, but more of a matter of perspective. Understanding perspective and being objective about it will compliment your conclusions much better than assumption bias ever would.
Welcome to homicide division.
0 likesPrecisely, ultimately just sad.
2 likes@Joe Blow Wonderful!
0 likesHappens a lot, make sure to hold your local authorities accountable. People in power can’t seem to handle themselves
11 likesWhy does he have a British accent tho?
2 likes@Moritz Ozzie accent it think
1 likeThat number however is beyond our trust
0 likes@Sony That's jus as bad as the cop, Sony. You have no facts to back that up, just projecting and that helps no one and nothing.
3 likesPoint it out when you see it for real, don't throw it around willy nilly.
@Sony Umm, bit o semantics there.
2 likesWhy say it at all? "Probably" in no way negates the projection. The statement itself IS the projection. You inserted Race into a discussion where there is absolutely no evidence of it.
Seeing racism where there is non only hinders any forward movement in tackling actual, provable racism.
P.S. Projecting is a big word ? erm, o.k. we'll have to agree to disagree there.
i "Don't know what it means" ? Now who's making assumptions ! Its neither a big nor complicated word, Sony.
Anyway, appreciate you being civil. Please don't take it personally, letting cognitive dissonance direct your thoughts.
Critical thinking reveals that inciting Race as a factor without evidence is baseless and IS indeed projection.
No ill will, Sony. Jus trying to help keep people sane in insane times.
Again, seeing racism where there is non helps no one.
@Sony "the suspect was described as a small white man yet the cops arrested a tall, black man." could just as well be them being absolutely uncaring, lazy arseholes (which personal experience informs me a lot of them are).
2 likesBeware statistics.....they also say a lot of black people commit crimes.
Sony, they could well have been racist but i also COULD be an alien ! it turns out i'm (probably) not but am "On the spectrum" and like to only deal in facts. Statistics are also known to not be facts but the manipulation of data that can be skewed which ever way is needed. So, i'll consider stats while pondering a subject but don't acknowledge them as facts.
i think we may both agree that the state of the western justice system is fucked. It is corrupt and not nearly fit for purpose anymore and in need of a massive overhaul. This guys ordeal is jus one more example of that and i'm glad he only spent 3 days in jail....we both know it coulda been hella worse.
A police officer needs to do their job in investigating or interrogating with complete disregard, if they can, for what they personally think is the truth of the situation. The judge decides the verdict, not the officer. You've got a very warped view of how the justice system is set up. Police make arrests and collect information/interrogate/question.
1 like@Thomas Carnacki here's the thing, and trust me when I say I am TOTALLY with you on the throwing the term racism around at literally everything- it's a problem!! However, theres a few things to consider' first of all racism is not actually always or even usually a conscious thing (like a conscious belief that someone discriminates based on race or that race makes inferior/superior or that all balck people are criminals or gang or poor etc etc) but rather usually it's an unconscious perception/bias/ or a systemic issue ( the racial profiling of black people as probable dangerous/criminals etc is both a systemic and often unconscious racist idea that people are fed through media movies culture etc, and particularly for police despite that yes there is more crime/police more likely to be killed by black people it doesnt mean police can justifiably just treat and assume every black person is criminal or guilty or w.e, if a police picks up on cues in the environment that they are in danger/someone is guilty etc and its based on reliable cues and facts and part of that includes race in some way that's not necissarily a problem, but when it appears that race is one of the only cues or facts they ate using to justify a stop or arrest or shooting or etc than that's defintley a problem of racial profiking & discrimination discrimination etc[doesnt mean they hate black people/racist in traditional sense!] )....in this case here's the thing, their literal only reason for arresting him was bc he was the first person they saw walked out of the area/alley or whatever where the suspects had supposedly run. That's the only reason! Despite the complete controversy in the original suspect description, his alibis, video footag, etc, just about all evidence exonerates him, yet they didn't even TRY to confirm his involvement with any evidence at all. Now think about this, sure you can try to say well theres no evidence of racism it's not a fact w.e, but I always think about things like this-- I'm a skinny/blond/blue eyes/i'd like to think I'm pretty ok not bad looking/young woman, and I try to think om so what if I was in place of this guy & walked out the same spot at same time he did instead of him, I have an extraordinarily hard time imagining the same scenario possibly plays out, even if it got to the level or initial arrest, I find it impossible that they would continue to neglect checking ANY of the actual facts and evidence of the case. Now if you want to say oh well that's bc you're a female, that may be fair( however white vs black Male vs female is virtually the exact same type or level discrepancy which didnt matter to them) but just think this , ok maybe we say it doesnt count if women even though really the same thing they did, but let's just say it doest count, think about if the same scenario happens but this time say it's a maybe 40 yr old clean cut man in a business suit/ expensive shiny shoes/black brief case/clean hair cut etc and just overall professional looking man walking with his brief case and on business call or w.e, its the same thing, theres no way the police would behave in the same way they treated this suspect, it just would never happen. Therefore you really have to conclude that the police were acting off of the generalized profile of a black person being a likely suspect, in other words their unconcious bias(at the least), remember they have NO evedice other than he's in the area, and if being honest we know that this would not be an acceptable reason (for even arrest or at the least the disregard to check alibi evidence for days) for a good majority of people who might be in the place of him, so the only reason this appears to have happened how it did and the police just accepted his guilt with 0 evidece and neglected to even try to check his claims or any facts whatsoever is pretty evident due to the fact that he's black- their bias kicked in as his guilt is consist with their bias, but that would almost certainly if not certainly wouldnt have happened to a non black male his age... so in this way it really does seem like a fa tor here, but not in the "ong their evil white supremacist" sense, just in the unconscious stereotypes and system type of way which is something society and police need to deal with using more self awareness and mindfulness in situations and reflecting on guns logically not emotionally
0 likesit happens .........FAR Far more than you may think
0 likes...it happened to ME, ... & it was not pretty , at all.... and NO I never got any money
I got far far worse... but trust me, it happens a LOT ................... a ........ Lot
the cops are accustomed to seeing .............EVERYTHING......... in terms of "You" & you & you~too ALL of you are guilty... all of you (they do NOT assume "innocence" ... EVER) everyone is GUILTY till proven INNOCENT
Yeah they for sure needed the confession. All of the facts you view as dispositive are just inaccuracies that create hurdles for them. “Yeah...the report does say a white guy did it, but he confessed!”. His innocence really wasn’t in question until it clearly was an interrogator got shook lol. Probably why they didn’t investigate his alibi, too busy looking for who did it
0 likes@AutomationDnD Why do you spam periods? Reading that in my head almost gave me a seizure.
1 likeThis was exactly what happened with Tom Sneddon & the trophy hunt of Michael Jackson.
0 likesExactly right. And there are NO consequence for these low life "investigators".
0 likesThis. You are correct. As in any profession, it is possible to become jaded or worse. Myopic tunnel vision focused on career advancement will have the same effect. The effect is a lack of empathy and dehumanization of others. As soon as this occurs, that person becomes very dangerous. As soon as someone loses empathy and begins viewing people as "less than" them they behave similar to sociopaths. They have built a framework in their mind that makes them feel justified.
1 likeIf you work in a profession dealing with other human beings and hold power over their lives and begin operating in this manner, you can ruin so many lives.
Never. Lose. Your. Humanity.
Always remember the golden rule.
@Thomas Carnacki A cop falsely accused a black man of a crime when there was no evidence he did, and the evidence there was actually pointed to a short white man. There is an extremely long and proven history of police being extremely racist, especially towards black people. To act like the probability of this police officer being racist is the same probability of yourself being an alien is asinine. The probability of that police officer being racist is significant, which is what that comment said. This is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. To say someone saying that officer is PROBABLY racist in a youtube comment, is just as bad as the officer who is falsely accusing and imprisoning someone is so ridiculous that it boggles the mind.
0 likes@Michael & @Thomas Carnacki Great points and well stated but you are talking to a brick wall. Once they begin to condemn people on thoughts "not actually always or even usually a conscious thing" they are just not worth your time. You can not reason with the thought police. To continue any further is just a waste of your time and effort.
0 likesDid I misunderstand the outcomes here or did the Black Guy spend less than 4 days in jail and was compensated $46,000 but the white guy who was also innocent spent 2 years in jail with no compensation? Just so this is understood before someone starts in about this being systemic racism. Because if this is the case it is a perfect example of the system working great! Also, consider how this man was cooperative and was not in any way roughed up or abused physically.
0 likesUnfortunately tons of cops are like this and had happened many many times throughout history. Lie the deathrow exicutioner guard who was told everyone of these inmates is going to lie and tell you they are innocent to their last breath don't believe them. His thought process was the courts world never be wrong and the officers who started them could never be wrong. Well he found out what he knew was wrong and tons of innocent people have died at his hands who had been innocent.
0 likes"Innocent until proven guilty" yet taken out your home handcuffed treated like you did it, talked to like you did it and everyone on the outside believes you did it but when you got video proof of someone doing somthing they get a trial lmfao that makes 0 sense
0 likesWhen the officer explained he was gonna be kept locked and he would investigate the alibi immediately I thought "man, what if this officer just don't care enough and will delay this investigation for days..." and... that's exactly what happened lol Good thing the guy knew his rights, earned a pretty nice amount of money and the lazy officers got fucked.
0 likesThe second dude is a prime example of why you should ALWAYS get a lawyer even if (especially if) you're 100% innocent. I mean the first dude should have as well, but he was calm and collected enough that his fear of going to prison didn't make him up and volunteer incriminating (if irrelevant) information, unlike the second dude who started talking about "The only Candy I know is [...]"
0 likesThis is how you need to act towards police officers always.
0 likesDo not acknowledge or even reply to accusations, just move on from them.
Don’t be intimidated. Be patient. Do let emotions get had best of you.
Imagine thinking "tall black guy" is synonymous with "short white guy." Gross negligence, and a demotion is far better than deserved. When you can't even get things correct by simple plain as day details, you have no business in that profession.
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I think it’s racism.
214 likes@Pabla Valdez They neglected key details regarding the suspect's reported appearance and instead arrested and interrogated someone who did not match said report in any way. If the man interrogated did not act the way he did, he could have been charged with crimes, which is pretty serious if you have any idea of what it means for someone to go to prison.
128 likes@Pabla Valdez The interrogator ignored proper protocol
63 likesWhen you arrested someone who's description is literally the complete opposite from the description the caller gave, I don't think we can just call that negligence there is most definitely something else here
44 likes@Grimslade Leviathan I'll chalk it up to a cocktail of bad ideas/thought processes. Prejudice, laziness, negligence, racism. All the same, it's dangerous and he has no business in that position imo and his punishment was too lenient.
13 likesNah buddy it's just regular old racism
15 likes@Juan We are talking about this case specifically. There is clearly some sort of underlying bias or prejudice going on here. Why else would they go so far to arrest a man that doesn’t fit the description they were given, instead of just politely interrogating them when they aren’t a threat?
14 likesThat guy was trapped in a Dave Chappell sketch. „Be on the lookout for a man between 4,6 and 6,5. he’s wearing Nike’s. GET THIS MAN!“
3 likesIs he black? He looks white to me
0 likeswell every guy is guilty but never a girl...
1 like@lordsofgaming thats not how it works
2 likesIt’s the humiliation from working so hard to get to become a Detective, only to be demoted back to the bottom of the totem poll, that’s the real punishment for the officers. For them, there is no more up, they’re stuck down at the bottom where they belong for this disgusting negligence
0 likes@Gizamalukeix that analogy was dumb af and didn't correlate AT all to the situation at hand. It was flat out racism. You're going to have to give a better explanation than that BS you typed to get people to see otherwise
1 like@bruce0767 no. the video says the INTERROGATOR didn't review the tape. so if he would have done his job correctly, he wouldn't have been trying to coerce a confession out of an innocent man. he also wouldn't have been demoted and his department successfully sued.
2 likesdon't try to draw a parallel as if your case was the same. this man was profiled and jailed under false pretense.
never heard of sarcasm huh, r/wooosh
0 likesthey keep saying systematic racism does not exist
0 likesPetition to get this detective fired, where?
1 like@Pol he looks as white as he looks short standing at "just" 6'3"
0 likesI’m so glad the truth came out.
0 likesRe: Michael: If the interviewer's lips are moving, he's lying. Guess he thinks his career is worth his soul.
1 like"I give you my word." Michael should have pointed out that the interviewer has already discredited himself, and so his word is worth nothing. Lawyer up.
"Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you in court of law." Think that over. Shouldn't take long!
Holy shit, I remember this case. They even talked about it in the US
0 likesRegarding Michael's case, I'm glad he got that payout and that all the officers involved were demoted and suspended without pay, but were they executed?
0 likes“How can you prove to me that you weren’t there” NO, how can YOU prove that i was there.
1513 likesReally shows that it is guilty until proven innocent.
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He would just say the line "We have you on video again."
37 likesHe's not looking to prove him guilty, he's trying to get an admission of guilt.
Yes, that IS how it actually works, which is why court exists. But before then, they're just trying to get you to damn yourself before you reach that point.
Which is why they are required to either assure that you are there voluntarily (as a witness), or that you have the right to silence (when charged for a crime). Because in both cases, you are informed of methods that you can use to prevent from providing damning evidence against yourself, and in the case of a witness statement, you can just leave, while in the case of being charged of a crime, that you don't have to respond to their provocations, questions, or lies.
In some cases though, if it's a closed shut case that you are innocent, and you do tell the truth, often having that dialogue with the police gives you a stronger position in court when the dominoes fall back on their lap, because then you have more merit and grounds to gain more as compensation, and demerit those that wrongfully charged you.
because you can present that you've already provided the aliby and information to them, and they still wrongfully detained you.
Seriously that is a logical fallacy there!
0 likes@Ember Hermin Yep, trying to shift the burden of proof, the weasel.
1 likeWhat a terrible technique they use, when they think that if they are getting more aggressive to the claims, they are more guilty, it just doesn't make sense nowadays
2 likes4:11 I disagree. It seems more logical to assume he was asserting self confidence. Asserting self confidence and asserting dominance is not the same thing.
0 likesLmao reminds me of when I got accused of something I didn’t do in the navy and NCIS investigated me got proven that the guy was lying but I still got separated for no reason
1 likei love the end of this video! Michael was awarded damages! he is so deserving of that!
0 likesNgl, watching innocent people being wrongly accused and going through this kind of ordeal, when detectives don’t believe them, is by far more terrifying than watching a heinous criminal confess to gruesome murders.
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the first guy was so calm...the robber was much shorter than him different clothes and to put the tin hat on it..was white....he got 46,000 but that's not enough
339 likesBeen happening in America since the beginning of time lmao even black Canadians get the same treatment.
94 likes@SirMichael You mean it’s been happening everywhere in the world since the beginning of time. I’m sure false accusations are not exclusive to America. Or Canada. And obviously not exclusive to black people.
171 likesI said what I said. Both of our statements can be true because the statement you said doesn’t make what i said false. America & Canada is included in EVERYWHERE & Nor did i mention its exclusively black people. I just highlighted those things. Sorry not sorry.
44 likesAlso, go look up “the innocence project” statistics on this matter. Then get back to me.
19 likes@SirMichael 😂😂As if 🙄🙄
4 likes@andra6a6b exactly.
4 likes@Paul Richards can you blame him? He's black in North America, im assuming random stops and accusations by the police aren't exactly unheard of for him or his family LMAO I mean shit, dispatch calling for a search for a white small guy so they grab a tall black guy instead, basically a dave chappelle skit in real life 💀 "suspect is a black male around 4'0 - 8'0 feet tall and 50-500lbs"
69 likes@A W this cop had 2 promotions in the meantime... which beggars belief......
6 likes@SirMichael So you admit to purposefully biasing your words to strew a false narrative?
16 likes@Chad M no. I stated I highlighted those things, purposely. Yet still coinciding with the statement he made. I didn’t skew shit. He responded to my statement initially.
15 likesagain I said what I fucking said
@Paul Richards Some minorities need to be calmer in presence of police, because otherwise higher chance to get the shooty
5 likes@Paul Richards You are thinking the $46K was the punishment. No- that was the reward for losing 3 days of fear and lost time - but it comes out of police insurance paid by tax payers. The punishment part was three officers that were demoted and suspended without pay. That is the thing that will scare other officers into checking the facts before doing interrogations - and where could argue it was not enough.
5 likes@Daniel Johnson thought he deserved more
3 likes@Daniel Johnson the cop in the video got 2 promotions after the demotion...
1 likeIt's definitely terrifying. I went through it. N I'm lucky it didn't turn out much worse. No record nothin wasn't even living in the state at the time I supposedly committed crimes. So many damn holes in the chicks story n was so absurd I duno why anyone believed anything. Nothing but evidence I did NOTHING. cops treated me like I was garbage n already decided I was guilty when anyone with half a fuckin brain would see it was complete lies
1 likeACAB
4 likesSad part is the investigators know the person they are charging is innocent and would rather pin it on someone to get a"Solved" in their column!!!
5 likesThat's healthy, better a few murders go unsolved then anyone be falsley jailed.
1 likeHighly recommend Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson, this topic is addressed a lot in that book
1 likeits sooo upsetting, but maybe thats why i wouldnt make a good detective. id feel too bad.
0 likes@SirMichael No one disagrees with that, we're just saying what you're saying is biased lol
0 likes@Zstead one how so? how did I portray bias?
2 likes@Ethan Martinez great book! If you can’t read the book watch the film.
2 likesor here is a video: https://youtu.be/1VFtzfnbmvs
I never showed any bias about any comment I’ve made. I said a general statement highlighting certain things. I never discounted the fact this type of shit happens everyday & everywhere to anyone!
5 likesThe call was for a short white male, yet this guy is a tall black male. I just stated that this is normal for men that look like him.
Everyone who replied to my comment turned it into something else. Good day.
& another: https://youtu.be/uW6Ykr688rY
0 likes@SirMichael the innocence project? Are you serious? So your opinion is solely based on who a private origination keeps a record of? Every government agency that tracks whites being shot unarmed and blacks being shot unarmed record that per capita, whites get wrongfully shot way more than blacks.
1 like@MirroRMonsteR here is the bias you were looking for. @zstead
4 likes@Mark Adams really should have been sacked
1 likeIt's terrifying to think that you can get locked up for something you did not do!
1 likeI don’t have a dog in this fight, I just stated a reality. Good day ✌🏾. I just pray for a better world. I’m not here to shit on anybody’s reality. Feel what you feel & live how you live. Be well Dan Thompson.
2 likes@SirMichael but you are obviously displaying bias as well considering you only cite sources that agree with you bearing in mind there are dozens of vastly more empirical sources to pull from that discredit you. It seams you forget almost everyone on earth has the ability to verify info in thier hands or pocket in 10 seconds.
1 likeAnd it's happened so much and the people who try to get wrongly convicted people out of prison where they should never been it's so hard to do they don't want to open up that can of worms with everything because of one person was caught messing up the system for people and everybody they've ever convicted they have a chance of having everyone overturned.
1 like@SirMichael you actually did say black people specifically
1 like@Zach Morgan but not exclusively. I highlighted. I NEVER said the shit didn’t happen to anyone else.
6 likes@MirroRMonsteR I used them as a point of reference. I never said that was the end all be all of information Dan. Nor did I start mentioning who gets shot more. Never said nothing about who gets arrested more, or none of that shit.
5 likesI just stated that that is a reality that they are used too.
What point is trying to be proven at this point?? Lol. Because at this point Dan is arguing about a source I sited. Not the issue at hand lmao. Talking all that “white ppl get shot more than black ppl” shit is not what I’m here for. Once that energy gets displayed I know where it comes from. Same as “ah yeah my one black friend” energy. I’m not here for that shit bro.
6 likesAgain, be well friend.
@SirMichael your comment mostly implied it.
2 likes@SirMichael I think it is you that doesn't get the point here. The whole point is bias. I'll explain why you are biased, though I agree that you never said it is end all. And by the way, no, factual statistics about how whites are discriminated against more strongly in America than blacks is not even remotely close to saying I have a black friend. You are comparing astronauts to oranges there.
4 likes1. You presented only sources that agree with you as a way to validate your position on this thread. Bias.
2. You constantly use straw man arguments to validate your bias. Bias.
3. You trying to specifically use the "I have a black friend" trope to try and further a specific race oriented narrative to me as a way to validate your argument is also bias. Bias.
4. Your obvious confirmation bias is in and of itself, bias. Bias.
@Zach Morgan implying and stating are two different things.. Same goes for exclusively & specifically. The guy in the video is black. That’s where the base of the statement came from.
6 likes@SirMichael It's been happening everywhere in the world and it's not about race. Stop trying to desperately twist everything into racism, it's pathetic.
4 likes@MirroRMonsteR you said white people get shot more than black people out of nowhere. You starting comparing shit. I never did that.
6 likesYou saw the innocence project and lost your shit it appears.
I’m sorry as a white male in America you feel that you are unevenly discriminated against more than another race. Must be a tough feeling.
You’re right though. About it all Dan. You got this one bud.
@SirMichael there was more than just a black guy in the video.
1 like@SirMichael you said even happens to black Canadians meaning you were referring to black Americans also.
2 likesMy initial comment was about the black Canadian. which is what was responded to.
2 likes@Zach Morgan again, stating & implying are two different things Zach.
5 likes@MirroRMonsteR lol good one Dan. You stated discrimination 1st bro. Comparing. I see how this is going though. Lmao you’re hilarious for the “I’m not white” shit tho.
6 likes@SirMichael so you were implying that only blacks get falsely accused Jesus man just own up to your statement. It's right there we can all see it.
1 like@SirMichael good one? Other than my skin color, which is OBVIOUSLY not white or even creame, how did you even come to the conclusion that I am white? Also, you alluded to the fact that me being "white" at least in part discredits my opinion and argument. Which in and of itself is racism. Need I link you to webster?
0 likes@Zach Morgan lmao never said only.
5 likes@SirMichael don't bother looking it up, here is the link for racism
0 likes@MirroRMonsteR look at your 1st comment Dan. You introduced the unarmed shootings shit.
2 likes@SirMichael doesn't matter, you do not need to be ONLY racist to be racist.
0 likes@SirMichael what is your point? Other than the fact that you think you are good at straw man fallacies?
0 likes@MirroRMonsteR lmao. I’m the world has turned its head guys. It’s just the way it is these days. Adios buddy. This is a never needing thing and problem that will never get fixed. Just is what it is.
1 like@SirMichael well you never mentioned anyone other than black people also you seem to think all of time and history began with America.
0 likes@SirMichael the problem you claim that exists, exists in such a small number, compared to other overlooked social groups, that empirically it is considered a statistical anomaly. In fact, this behavior FACTUALLY happens more in non white countries.
0 likesLastly, someone gave that guys name & accused him of that. The Canadian guy got off a bus and was pinned down by multiple cops even though the description sent out was a completely different race.
4 likesPeace & Love to all.
@SirMichael same situation. Both had no evidence against them. Btw, you may want to really study the webster definition of racism, because you seam to be ignorant to the fact that your thought process is pretty racist.
0 likessame because i already feel horrible when people interrogate me and to be wrongfully convicted is like screaming and not being heard
0 likes@Zach Morgan He didn't imply it, You implied it. If he said he didn't imply it, You implied it. Stop arguing what he's implying. So leave it? What is the point of this? You guys twisted his words and painted a non existent picture. Ffs what is wrong with people.
4 likesY'all went lengths to paint a picture of things he never said but yet believe about him. Call him biased but can't pick out a quote where he stated something. Rather you jump to conclusions and sugar coat is as him implying something.
4 likesIndescribable dissapointment.
@Eos Dawn because he mentioned no one else other than black Canadians and Americans I'm inferring nothing.
0 likes@Zach Morgan we just went over this. People omit or include irrelevant details in conversations all the time. He said he didn't imply it, Stop assuming it. Should be the end of discussion. I wonder why it didn't end.
4 likesWhat's worse is the cops don't care if your innocent or guilty. In their eyes your guilty till proven innocent. If they even let you prove it...
1 like@Sabizos yeah if they can't find the real criminal. You don't pin crimes on the innocent , God will give those people a special place in hell.
0 likes@Mark they just care about hitting targets. Same with prosecution they don't care if you're innocent they just want to get the most convictions so they an get a pay raise.
1 like@Mark that's literally what court is for.........
0 likes@bobby ray of the family smith what the f are you talking about.
0 likes@Zach Morgan how in murica if cops see a black man do anything even minor stuff they shoot him straight away. Saw it on the news bout how racist murica is
2 likes@bobby ray of the family smith lol good one.
0 likes@Chad M He didn’t do anything like you said. Grow up.
2 likes@Werner Beinhart What? It’s innocent minorities responsibility to not get hassled or shot by the police? Explain, ta.
1 like@SirMichael You admit to it again
0 likes@Joss Armitage No, he literally admitted to it. Focusing on one portion of something that effects everyone to push a false narrative. He admitted to it.
0 likes@bobby ray of the family smith they don’t do that tho lol. The things the news shows you is rare af and happens with all races not just one.
0 likes@bobby ray of the family smith false lol most people want to go to America. Why do you think it has the highest rate of people migrating here? It’s awesome and free and police shootings are rare
0 likesfor some reason this is true.
0 likes@A W lmaoo
0 likesIt just makes my blood boil
0 likes@SirMichael lol don't argue with them they can't read.
5 likes@Daniel Johnson it was 100% not enough. If you are bad at your job there are consequences. Typically they are to lose your job. Cops should be held to a much higher standard because if they’re bad their job people lose their lives. In multiple ways. He should’ve lost his job
1 likeIf you see 99/100 criminals that 100th person is going to be seen as a criminal as well because to you, you aren't supposed to see non criminals.
0 likes@Sabizos Good point. They aren't getting any deader.
0 likesFr i was tearing up on the 2nd guy
3 likesThats deep
0 likes@Paul Richards 46k isn't too bad for 3 days...
0 likesfor real, it makes me cry. You will wake up and still think you're living that.
1 like@SirMichael You twist the reality... thats what he is pointing out man. What you and he said are two different things. Stop trying to defend yourself, jeez.
0 likesthats why its always worse having an innocent person locked up than guilty one being free...
1 like@DanDeMan if things have gone different it could have been 10 years
0 likes@Eos Dawn na he totally should have typed a whole paragraph about how nobody should take this the wrong way and how it doesn't only happen to white people. Dont you know thats totally the way people talk and act.
1 like@Killabeezee when people want u to be something bad enough they will find anyway to say u are.
1 like@I am Nizorro are u crazy bro?
1 like@Aristotle you liked your own comment. Me to. (you brought up a really good point I didn't bring up)
0 likes@Eos Dawn na i didnt lol someone else liked them.
0 likes@Aristotle me :p
0 likesMy bad: people take liking your own comment as an insult I meant it as a compliment
@Eos Dawn ah ok np
0 likes@Aristotle actually not true. Those numbers come from per capita. As I stated. Whites actually get stopped less. I can tell you haven't looked at the data.
0 likes@Aristotle oh I know that, just ain't worth your time them people.
0 likes@Eos Dawn also, this is what I hate about your side of thinking, you will believe somthing purely because it fits your narrative without doing any meaningful research. @Aristotle
0 likes@Aristotle/\
0 likes@SirMichael Some people just like some good old political grandstanding. No doubt andra6a6b is a white person that’s why he/she gets so defensive
2 likes@Paul Richards some people spent 2 years behind bars and get nothing
0 likes@Zockerfreak999 there is a case in the UK where a guy has spent 36 years for murder and there are serious doubts about his guilt
0 likes@Chad M I think the point is it can happen to anybody, but in North America is Black men are statistically falsely accused at a higher rate, hence the link they posted :)
1 like@Daniel Johnson Cops get away with so much because the punishment is not severe. Like a demotion or "time off" is their punishment for crimes that civilians would serve years for. They should receive the same punishment as everybody else, but they never do.
1 like@Zstead one I think the point is Black men are statistically more likely to be falsely accused, not that it couldn't happen to anybody, hence why they highlighted it. :)
1 like@LethalWalou Damn bro, they are talking about how shit like this disproportionately effect Black people in the US. Calm down. Its the truth, stop being sensitive.
1 like@Zach Morgan Damn dude. They were saying how false accusations disproportionately affect Blacks in North America. Grow up.
1 like@I am Nizorro They are literally right but get mad :)
1 like@MirroRMonsteR Dude learn statistics, @Aristotle is literally correct.
1 like@Bo Bo If we restrict ourselves to one racial case in one country, sure. But if we're talking about discrimination of false accusations as a whole, it certainly doesn't stop at America or Black men- people get wrongly accused all the time, and even targeted groups aren't identical across all continents.
1 like@Bo Bo Can you showe evidence of this or is this just your brainwashing by liberal media making you think this?
0 likes@SirMichael By saying what I said it seems as if Your trying to push a narrative and you make it seem it only happens to black people this might not be what your trying to do but the wording you use gives that illusion which is why others are correcting you and this not an attack on you as a person so try not to get too upset
0 likes@andra6a6b nah, but its definetly a much bigger problem in the US than anywhere else in the world since slavery is still legal to do to inmates.
0 likesGlad everything was right in the end usually it ends so much worse
0 likespoor dude knew that if he didn’t stay calm that they could use it against him cause of the color of his skin, props to him for staying calm no one should have to go through something like this just for the convince of the “justice system”
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exactly
1 likeThis is exactly what i thought.
0 likesThat is another perfect example of incompetence. I’m sick of incompetent people everywhere, They seem to be at every job but it’s way worse with any government positions. It’s pathetic
1 likeThis is terrifying. If Michael wasn’t so calm and collected, he could be in prison right now
0 likesMichael is the type of person who you'd want by your side in a crisis.
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no he will pissed you of because he is so calm , the contrast will be unbearable
54 likeshe'd be a sweet boyfriend too
134 likes@BLUE FIRE But he would be able to logic his way out of the situation much easier than most people because he'd be more calm
126 likesMeh, in a way, yes but I'm gonna say no. Yes he's calm facing a crisis, however he doesnt seem quick to fully grasp a situation and form a plan as well as seems very passive. Yeah, i'm gonna say he'd probably get you killed.
17 likes@gtapanda 129 i don't know maybe yeah , i'm imagining how annoying and uncomfortable the situation will be , because i was involved into similaire thing
3 likes@BLUE FIRE Yeah I could see that, you'd probably be thinking "Why the fuck are you so calm, we're about to die!" or something like that.
12 likes@dave h not sure what his plan would be here.
3 likesLooks maybe ex military. American accent and a british detective. A power cut and an okay let's go. Sounds interesting. They should make a movie starting with this and everything after. Michael with his 46k for 3 days in jail then wankstaln demoted divorced and deported working security night shifts at toilet paper factory finally robbing a jewelry store himself during a power cut (again) but trapped caught and banged up. The End
9 likesHe is Pissed which is why his reasoning is so impressive
9 likes@dave h He grasped the situation just fine it seems. The fact that he got a $46,000 payout and the investigators were suspended without pay proves even more that he was just screwed over by malpractice with no way out. Under pressure he was able to reason that the video was a bluff too. I think your point requires an explanation of what he should have done in that situation to prove to you that he was competent. Personally I think very few people would execute flawlessly in such an uncommon spot, and this was exemplary.
46 likesNot true. You want someone who is calm and who can think critically.
2 likes@UCknlAvdQW3-eSMvKuoz7V5A yeah this !! , sometimes you just want people to feel the same things as you do especially when its an emergency , and when that doesn't happen it make you lose it even more and aggravate the situation to the worst .
1 like@dave h He managed to get arrested without being shot after doing nothing wrong- I like that guy
13 likes@Mariama-Lola Bah yeah at least he would protect you
2 likes@dave h So, you would be the leader and he would be follower. Follower you don't need to do much convincing or efforts to calm down.
0 likesI'd rather have the Hill-Billy. That Michal guy is so calm it made him seem brainless. There is a video he CANNOT be in and Michael practically hums his way to a cell, thanking the cop the whole way.
0 likes@dave h Lol what the hell are you even talking about? How does the conversation go straight to "he'd probably get you killed." LMAO.
3 likesBy your side in a crisis, or by your side in a long-term marriage.
0 likes@M M Both.🙂
1 like@annA48126 Yep.
0 likesWithout a doubt, that is a smart and calm man, even if I was innocent I would have been a shaking mess realizing this guy was trying to ruin my life without giving me any chance at all. Here's to Michael wherever he is
6 likes@dave h are you that demoted cop? michael did fine there.
4 likes@Benajah Pierre Yes, he showed major restraint.
2 likesActually I want Michael to be my negotiator and Justin to be my bodyguard.
2 likes@BLUE FIRE and you getting pissed off that someone doesn't feel the same way as Younis exactly why you'd be terrible in a crisis. Who has time to think about that shit.
3 likes@Michael Hardin But don't you see? Michael's negotiating skill would be your bodyguard.
0 likes@BLUE FIRE you allways need someone calm by yoir side.
3 likes@BLUE FIREI agree, his calmness pissed me off.
1 likeSince I'm properably going full Justin in about 3 seconds, I'm not sure Michael would want me by his side :D
0 likes@BLUE FIRE And that helps how? In an emergency you need to deal with the emergency, and not have to be distracted by someone having a tantrum. :)
1 like@dave h the fact that seeing someone with an actual brain handling a situation like this makes you go oh he grasps things slowly speaks volumes about you. Acting emotional in these kind of things is not grasping the situation its stuupid as fck.
2 likesHe'd be a good lawyer lol
2 likes@dave h I mean wtf is he gonna do if the detective is a complete asshole or suck at his job. Better to stay calm and wether the storm, and let the truth do the talking. And then sue tf out of them
0 likesBroke my heart hearin that other man terrified that they were gonna take his freedom….Horrible.
0 likesThe reason why he reacts differently than a majority of people is because that man is wise.
1 likeOoo
0 likesThat ending is so sweet
Fuck those guys
I’m so glad Michael perused a civil case after this BS. I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t want to.
He seems like such a gentle patient man. I like him. Good on him, hope his life has been going well and the $ gave him a leg up in life to get what he wants.
What happens to someone who waits in jail for years for a trial, unable to afford bail, only to be completely exonerated? Are they compensated for this life stolen from them?
0 likesThis serves as a reminder to everyone, innocent or guilty, the police are NOT your friend. Under any and all circumstances, get your lawyer.
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@aiai You're right alot of them are crap, but a lawyer is interested in your $$$ only. A Cop is interested in seeing your goto prison. That's how they get promoted. So you'll always have a better chance (even if its small) with a lawyer than without one.
111 likes@Mutiny Yeah, it's a yes but mostly a no as well ( because so many Indonesian don't really have the money to hire lawyers, that's just how expensive they are ) when it comes to Indonesia haha... ( The polices in here are worse than US's, they actually make US's polices look competent and decent in comparisson. ). You actually have better chance of not getting into a jail by bribing the polices, it's ironically as expensive ( or even less ) than lawyers but have bigger chance than lawyers. Heck you can even have a "hotel is" prison if you pay those polices executives some nice money.
8 likes@nope their job? Sorry but putting innocent ppl to jail just because they want to get a case OVER with is NOT THEIR JOB.
137 likesThey can only be your friend when they are literally responding to a call you made to save your life.
12 likes@nope oh yeah of course the detective that told the 6 foot tall brown man he is guilty and got him 3 days in jail after they said a short white man robbed a jewelry store is definitely really human and deserves to have another chance, of course buddy, its just a mess up, everyone can get confused when dispatch specifically says "short white" and hear tall brown
44 likes@Mutiny Youre right but not every Cop is a inhumane psychopath. A lot of them have actually good intentions and save Lifes. The problem is the system, not the humans that serve it.
13 likesInjustice happens to good Cops and injustice happens to good People. Life isnt fair. It never was and never will be but thats no reason to spread your anger on someone who don't deserve it
@Mutiny man your comments warm my heart. Well said! 🤟🏼
2 likesSince this is in Canada ( the first case)the detective can ramble away after you have talked to a random lawyer probably on the phone for 15 min and been told to shut up. It's f*** up. It's so many cases, and they are usually guilty, but they have the right to sit there and wear you down. No perfect country, but once you say - I want a lawyer. It's over. Take Michael Rafferty's interrogation as an example. A disgusting case. They grilled him for 3-4 hours while he was requesting a lawyer and had talked to one. On that note. He deserved to be grilled and worn down. But this tactic for someone innocent is horrible. And the case of Rocky Rambo Wei Nam Kam ( yes, his parents actually named him that ) Guilty for double murder in Canada... He sat for 9 hours and pretty much said the whole time "I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY."
1 likePolice are bailiffs. A bailiff is a legal overseer, master whose sole job is to collects taxes from you & keep 'order' within their 'jurisdiction'/court/county/precinct & liberals wonder why are founding fathers wanted a militia instead of British Law within America🤔 We perish due to lack of Knowledge, how can we make our society better when we don't even recognize the levels of subjugation we are object to as property to Law that is not the law of THE MOST HIGH. If which comes from Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & their ELOHIM'S law. Maritime law is TMH's law not theirs. This Eon/Age is ending soon, choose your side. YESHUA/YAHAWASHI IS salvation & the only way to ABBA, SHALOM from the tribe of Reuben.⚜
2 likesPolice are bailiffs. A bailiff is a legal overseer, master whose sole job is to collects taxes from you & keep 'order' within their 'jurisdiction'/court/county/precinct & liberals wonder why are founding fathers wanted a militia instead of British Law within America🤔 We perish due to lack of Knowledge, how can we make our society better when we don't even recognize the levels of subjugation we are object to as property to Law that is not the law of THE MOST HIGH. If which comes from Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & their ELOHIM'S law. Maritime law is TMH's law not theirs. This Eon/Age is ending soon, choose your side. YESHUA/YAHAWASHI IS salvation & the only way to ABBA, SHALOM from the tribe of Reuben.⚜
0 likes@Mutiny the 1st comment was spot on, you just had to come in and act like an 8th grader.
3 likesI love the police. They keep me safe and find the truth in crimes. But I get it, it's very populair to be overly sceptical of the police.
3 likes@Tomatohead FD yep
1 likeMost people who criticize the police are the 1st to call them for help and to enforce dumb shit like neighbor disputes
@Ken M Maybe yeah. I just don't see the point in being so overly sceptical of police (unless your country isn't very stable ofcourse. It depends on where you live)
1 likeDepends on the country, here in Finland police is your friend fortunately.
0 likes@Hypetreme same in Montana. the US is like 50 diff countries. i trust my local deputies, their kids play with mine. i know who their parents are and where they live. cities are the issue here tbh, they make bad faceless cops
2 likes@Ken M I'm glad that there a places like that in the US.
1 likethat's why this man's attitude was superb
0 likes@nope Difference is, if I fuck up at MY job, someone doesn't end up in jail over it.
2 likes@Tomatohead FD "I just don't see the point in being so overly sceptical of police"
16 likesThe very video you're commenting on is an excellent reason to be overly sceptical of cops.
@Mutiny waa police give me ticket acab!!!!
0 likes@nope that’s a big fuck up for them to do tho falsely accusing
1 like@Ken M oh ya I’m the one who hates most police but not all I live in Oklahoma where I have called the cops on a woman physically beating her boyfriends kid In front of multiple people the cops yelled at the little boy yelling him that he’s her child and she’s the mother and he needs to listen to her SHE IS NOT HIS BIOLOGICAL MOTHER
1 like@Reptiles and more yeah you cant judge an entire group of people on the actions of a single incident. Or else youd be a huge racist right now lol
0 likes@Ken M literally every cop in my town has came out to her apartment so to calls of her abusing her kids but yet not one cop has stepped in to help 🤔
0 likesUnless they are helping you
0 likes@Kaiden Crawford half the time I don’t even call them anymore where I’m from they don’t give a damn about us or our kids had a lady drive her truck through our kids playground in the middle out apartment complex because a drug deal gone wrong and she tried to run someone over that wasn’t even involved in the situation! Drove her truck across a busy highway behind stores where our secluded apartments were and damn near killed 20 kids and the man she was chasing broke her gas tank leaked diesel all through the park and apartment complex and the cops escorted her out like she was a damn queen !
0 likesTruth
0 likes@nope no no no they didn’t “mess up” they literally heard the characteristics of the criminal and arrested the complete opposite.
8 likesMy aunt was murdered in 2020 and the police absolutely are my friend
0 likesExactly
0 likes@nope They're trained to do this. Did you know prisons are for profit? Better to have more people in them for the one profiting.
3 likesThat shouldnt be antagonistic towards the police lol. But yes. They’re job is to prove you’re guilty, not innocent
1 like@Hypetreme I also live in Montana and it is not like that for me - everyone’s experiences are different. Especially considering the man that you’re replying to is white, I can understand why he thinks they’re his friend. Missing and murdered indigenous women is a huge thing here and the police are NOT our friend. It’s all dependent on our individual lives and experiences with cops.
1 likeMy girlfriends dad is a police officer do I need a lawyer when going to her house
0 likes@Swiggity Swag If you know you committed a crime or they suspect you of one, yes.
1 like@A Texan Kid Not true. There's countless cases of them murdering people who called for help.
1 like@cubey Good thing I’m not a criminal who stole 14 million USD worth of Bitcoin from Donald Trump last week at approximately 6:30 PM on Monday the 21st of March
0 likes@Swiggity Swag
0 likes😂 nah he could be your vouch
@nope my job mistakes do not make someone lose two years of their life and more!
1 like@Mutiny uhh... I'm sorry to say but that's not how law enforcement works, you don't get promoted on how many people you get imprisoned. it's not just a game, i myself are going into law, and if you seek a promotion then i can tell you, you are not getting one. if you want better pay than do your job the right way, if you do it by the book the right way that is how you are going to be set apart from the rest. Work to be the best not for the money.
0 likes@Ian Frost "Going into Law" hahaha not even in Law yet already defending the Thin Blue Line with BS. You'll fit right in boy.
4 likes@nope It didn't have the potential or any influence over the life and freedom of another man...that's right we are all human and make mistakes and those in this position need to step back or away when they cannot control their objectivity and do not have substantial and/or conclusive knowledge or evidence ...I also wasn't trained or encouraged by my employer to make catastrophic mistakes that have irreparable damages to other people and then be rewarded for it...
0 likes@nope Back the blue until it happens to you...
1 like@nope What the hell are you talking about ? Of course you are supposed to be a pro at your job, you do know pro stands for professionnal right ? Do you know what professionnal means ? I mean, if you don't care about your job that's on you, but man your take on this is absolutely insane.
1 like@nope nah bro don’t even come with that bs put yourself in Michael Dixon shoes you’re being arrested for something you didn’t do the dispatch call doesn’t match you’re description at all but he throws that away for no reason while telling him he knows he did it when really Michael just got off the bus they’re not just not you’re friends they’re you’re enemy most of the time and it’s sad that that is true they want a confession and they’ll settle for any confession even if it’s an under pressure half confession that’s not even the truth it’s crazy how people can still be like “they’re just doing they’re jobs uhhhhhhh” meanwhile they’re ignoring procedure and not even reviewing the dispatch call bet if it happened to you you’d change your stance a little idc if they’re human so was the second guy in the video but he went to jail when he didn’t have to which should never happen I don’t care what he got rewarded with after they let him out what if he killed himself in prison the justice system has to be better
0 likes@nope idk abt ur line of work but a mistake at my job doesnt land someone else in prison for 2 years
0 likes@A Texan Kid even then they aren’t always your friend. People who have called the police have been killed by them when they showed up.
0 likes@nope Their job is to get a confession regardless if the person is innocent.
1 like@nope Messing up my job won't end up with a innocent person going to jail, or worse: dead. Cops have a responsibility and when they abuse or misuse that responsibility they need to be fucking held accountable for it.
0 likes@Kaiden Crawford oh they don't do that, ma'am
0 likesYeah but lawyers are also not your friend. They want money.
0 likes@Jenna tales tragically, with privatize prisons, that is almost exactly their job
1 like@A Texan Kid unless they show up and make the situation 10 times worse
0 likes@nope u mean the cops not looking at the evidence? Smdh
0 likes@nope homie this isn't mcdonalds. They have procedures and training to follow for a reason.
0 likesFacts.
0 likes@nope It’s not necessarily about how good cops are as people, it’s about how their job is to make it easy to convict people and innocent people can easily get screwed over. There’s a good video about this called “Don’t talk to the police”, it’s a presentation by a lawyer or law teacher or something like that.
0 likesFor the record, I’m not anti-cop, but part of their job is to get you convicted and people need to be aware of how innocent people can be absolutely screwed over or the victims of misunderstanding.
like he said, the fact of him being innocent or guilty wasn't relevant here, or even in question.
0 likesbut properly so the officers were demoted and punished. Not disagreeing about getting a lawyer but they are punishing them so this isn't supposed to be ok, and he got 50k for 3 days in jail, its a pretty good deal. It is punishable so that's good at least. But yeah it is cops like this that make cops look bad for sure, and I think a big part of the problem is what he said about them getting promoted if they can get a confession without evidence... kinda feel like that promotes behaviour like this? But hey he wanted a quick promotion? He got demoted and sued instead. Proof that hard work pays off, there is no easy way.
@Jelly Punk most of the time they help out, sometimes they do make it worse though your right for sometimes
0 likesEspecially if you're black
0 likes@nope yeah i agree for some part, but as a formerly wrong convicted ones, i could said that the main comment is so much reasonable, yes they are just doing their job, some or few to be more accurate is to serve and protect the people, but most of them is to serve and to protect "their greed" or "their belly button". Also lawyer had bad side too, they had greed too, but at least, they are on your side.
1 likebefore i am said my next statement, i am imply that i had no ill motive nor ill intention to anyone. Trust but with bare minimum trust that you give to them, always be on guard and alert at their demand, be caustious at every single word you speak with them, and ultimately if you are innocent, avoid any interaction with the police at all cost even if you are asked to their witness, especially if you lived in the developed country. I wish you and all of you who read the best, beware and be careful even with your own lawyer. Trust yourself fully, don't give your trust 100 percentage to the police even your lawyer. i hope the best and luck for all of you out there.
@nope You are absolutely insane. I should give the people who can destroy my life within an hour a chance? Are you serious? Tell that to every person who has been falsely charged, man I would sue the department, city and their mommas. They would pay for the rest of my life. i would plaster their names as liars everywhere I go.
0 likesWell that's not true either, just another radical opinion but on the other side of the spectrum. Police is always your friend and police is never your friend is a toxic thing to believe. Life's not that simple. But I do agree with getting a lawyer at any circumstances since you're getting involved with the law.
0 likes@nope delete your comment already, you’re making excuses for the policeman and being totally ignorant of the fact that the police is trying to put an innocent man in jail
1 like@nope brainwashed by authorities ey?
1 likeseems like a USA problem
0 likesYou are correct.
0 likesYes never let them in your life for whatever reason. Their mind is always catch and catch.
0 likesI came back to a mess just full edgy kids tryna say they dont do mistakes smh there's no point of arguing ngl
0 likesMy point was sometimes shit happens, and based on the video they were penalised so justiced serve. If u think that not justice idk what do u want kill those police? And i was tryna say that not every police do those shit. Why so salty, i wasn't tryna defend the police who put the poor dud in jail i was commenting on the first comment saying every police is ur enemy, i mean thats a poor mindset, they also save people smh. (his comment was deleted so ye u have ur opinion about how government works but remember this aint some action/drama movie where everyone is bad)
0 likes@A Texan Kid Police are under no obligation to help you, as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. Texas, as it stands, falls under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
2 likesBetter call saul
0 likes@MrNecryptic I think you misunderstood, I was meaning they can help during an emergency, not during court.
0 likesThe police are not obligated to help you during an emergency. They can if they so choose, but they aren't legally required.
1 likeThis shit should be illegal, and punishable by law.
4035 likesThis officer straight up lied and is willing to potentially ruin someone's life, just by making shit up. These people are paid to serve and protect, not dominate and control. Absolutely disgusting behaviour.
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That's why ppl don't trust the police or the system
311 likesPeople believe that a corrupt system, is made up by those in it, but no. When you really look at it, it's those who created the system, passing down thier biases, and other's just nodding their head and going along with it. Both the individual, and the system are to be accountable. No matter What the situation is
121 likesThank you! There is nothing fair or "just" about our "justice" system
46 likesi saw that in the uk the cops are not allowed by law to lie about anything
24 likesWhich is why they've been demoted and the guy got $46k if you watched till the end of the video.
35 likesThe Supreme Court has said they are allowed to lie during interviews to get a confession. However I wish they would be punished when they lie in paperwork and on the stand
37 likesReminder that it was in Canada
13 likesIt's a strategy used to hasten the process and break a suspect. If you're innocent, you're 99.99% of the time going to be fine. You'll eventually get your day in court and a new BMW when they realize the department royally fucked up.
25 likes@Be Your best shows how universal this shit is
5 likesDont know the code or statute, but in the us police officers are allowed to lie
3 likesNancy Idgaf about the UK.
1 likeThe officers were punished, this didn’t go unrecognized
5 likesIts just a grey area, you are allowed to have a lawyer. The cop will likely stop lying once your lawyer is there because majority of the time the lawyer will call the cop out on their bluff, especially that video evidence, theyd ask to see it. If the accused asked to see it, they probably wouldnt let them at all costs if its a lie or not, but your lawyer would NEED to have that because it is evidence against you. Never talk to cops alone. Always lawyer up, the entire point of their questioning is to try and tie you up into something whether you did it or not. Theres a weird stereotype that if youre asking for a lawyer it means that youre 'admitting guilt'. Even if your completely innocent, dont try to 'talk your way out' because its not your job, but it is interrogators job to talk you into it.
10 likesIt's already illegal and punishable by law lmao
1 likeThats Canada for you thats why America is best yehaw
3 likesThing is, it's very punishable by law. Police officers aren't immune to the law you know. People seem to make such s big deal about this but cops aren't all that powerful one they're found out.
1 likeOfficers lying during an interrogation happens literally every time. Its how they get the truth out
2 likeshe got demoted which he'll never live down. his career as a detective is over.
4 likesIt is notice how he got 46,000 dollars.... throw me in jail for 3 days for that amount of money
2 likes@Luke Garwood The legal systems are different but the cops in both countries act pretty much the same.
1 likeThe investigators are supposed to be misleading to bring out the truth, but this guys inadequacy is beyond question
1 like@Nancy
1 likeNeither are the ones in the USA.
Its illegal and they can go to prison for it.
@Randy Trashcan
1 likeLike the man who was falsely accused and spent four years in prison?
Juries have been able to nullify the law if it got to them
0 likesLike “yo this is a crime but get the person that actually did next time officers”
As much as I agree with you, they don't protect and serve, nor have they ever been requested to do so.
0 likesI do agree about this shit. This is the situation im afraid of. Here in phil a lot of people is falsely accused by something they didnt do. And they cant do anything but to accept what lies ahead
1 like@Chris W This was in Canada, not the US.
1 likeThis technique has solved a lot of crimes
0 likes@john Blake Not true, if you watch enough videos, when they have enough evidence to convict, they lie and pretend they don't have any to trip up suspects in a lie. If they don't have enough evidence, they lie and say they do. I think the key in general is to bluff and see how the person reacts, make sure they can't tell what the next move will be. But in this case the interrogator was being more than overly manipulative.
0 likes100%
0 likesThey serve and protect like they're supposed to, just not you. Pigs work for the ruling class, to serve their interests and protect their property against poor people.
0 likes@Randy Trashcan Baha you do realize that the rate of false convictions contradicts your "opinion statistic" of 99.99%
1 like@Beyondo 46k for that if you are held for anytime like the dude 2 years you can’t get that shit back no amount of money can give you time back
0 likesI believe lying to the suspect should stay legal, as it allow investigators to catch real criminals who don't immediatly ask for an attorney to spit out confessions, but lying about the fact that the suspect is irrefutably guilty shouldn't be legal, an investigator shouldn't have the right to affirm the judgment decision he believes in before an actual judge assign the suspect to be guilty or innocent in court
0 likesin my country it is illegal for the police to lie during interrogations etc. i dont think it is in the US
0 likes@DivideByZeromy point was that it's not an unusual thing for police to claim to have evidence they don't have. because a guilty person would show it physically at times, which makes it worth the effort. an innocent person can get angry at the false accusation but most.... would do what the first guy did remain calm in the knowledge that they can't have evidence from a non-existent crime hence... i will most likely be going home if i stay calm and co-operate and that's true with a reasonable cop. people are locked up for ridiculous things and yeah sometimes people are locked up for crimes they didn't commit but that is usually because of how they acted after or during the arrest. if you start throwing punches because you think fighting will show innocence or your just pissed.... that's more likely to happen. i've done time i know these stories...
0 likesand yeah at a time i hated police. then someone explained to me how without them.... the bottom would be chaos and would it would pretty much souly effect the people doing it hard. rich people will just hire security... live in gated communities.... what people don't seem to understand is that what they do and how they do it. is a necessary evil if you want protection for the weak. and that doesn't justify dirty cop's they should be hanged. but this tactic.. isn't only used by them it's a taught tactic for integration. and should be seen as an objective choice to try make something otherwise very hard to pick... pretty easy.
Sadly it wouldn't happen if people weren't put under so many "work targets" he was just clearly trying to get anyone to take the fall so he can say the case was done and dusted... they didn't even really know what the guy looked like, he was lazy. There probably was a robbery case but he couldn't be bothered to properly investigate, he should have gotten fired not demoted.
1 likeOn the other hand they catch serial killers, cold-blooded murderers and psychopaths, the latter behave much like the first guy, cause they are lacking any emotions. Not justyfing what this PM did, but most of them are hard working people trying to protect the society from criminals.
1 like@Yovani Calderon I never mentioned the 2 years guy at all. He got nothing.
0 likes@Randy Trashcan yeah idk why ppl freaking out
0 likes@bobocpe No they really don't... in people with mental health issues who killed someone there's an emptiness you feel within them, they don't try to deal with the situation in a calm and collective manner and they certainly don't try a map of their journey and where they were, they'd flat out make up a story and even lie about where they were, this guy in the video you feel he genuinely means no harm to anyone and doesn't want the problems he just wants to go home...
0 likesI behave like that guy... Am i lying? Did i do something? no... it's just there's no need to yell, get defensive or combative in any way and the fact that Law Enforcement create a stereotype saying you do... it shows the problems in a lot of things in our world and how you can't take that seriously when you know that's not true and just sounds stupid.
Ohhhh Canada, my home and native land!
0 likesThe police don’t legally have to serve or protect anyone. ACAB, the whole system needs to go.
0 likes@Randy Trashcan what do you mean 99.99% of innocent people are fine? 4% of just death row inmates have been exonerated since 1970 and those are just the ones we've found. I guarantee you that the number of innocent people in prison is a lot higher than 4% since death row cases have a higher level of scrutiny in court.
1 likeIt is illegal and punishable by law as mentioned in the video
0 likes@Be Your best exactly
0 likes@bajanqt123 Do NOT let a single cop represent the entire police community.
0 likesfr
0 likesBro.. just shut up 😂 ...they “lie” to support a confession. You’re only mad cuz you know from hindsight that this dude is innocent, but the detective does NOT know that 🤦🏽♂️
0 likesalmost as if cops need a reform or something
0 likes@Xray Then they refuse to provide notes and the blue wall goes up. There was 3 cops involved in this fiasco and that reeks of conspiracy. I bet they are back at it in the hammer.
0 likesPolice can legally lie to you and you cant do shit
0 likesNo it should be legal , it’s to get a physiological response by subtle details in order to analyse whether they are innocent or not by playing it back , as u can see it doesn’t work on innocent people and does on guilty and we see this plenty of times
0 likesyeah its illigeal right ?
0 likesIt’s like they show the example for the accused to follow
0 likesWhats worse is that, the charges get dropped but you lost time and money and its on your or your attorney to release the bond and have it made payable to you .. but no the scumbag attorney will not tell you that and pocket that money as well in the end you are just happy the kidnappers released you. Its a win win and the court and its robber barons win every time simply because we know no better.
0 likes@Nancy On paper
0 likes@Cole DiBiase! ok but if you watch interrogation from uk compared to usa and canada there is a huge difference
0 likesSame in my country, also the police are very corrupt. After I reported a crime against me, they got paid by the criminals and would threaten me and my family for months, unless I tell them what they want to hear and for me to say I lied. They refused to accept evidence, would ignore that I wasn't even on the same continent during certain events and would try to catch me in an obvious lie(like "You have been sending threating letters to the other party", I was "Great, where are they, if you have them lets end this and go to court", the police "Look here, it is not like they can keep the letters, it would be better if you just confess for you and your family", I say "No, I'm not admitting some made up lies"... and the threats with physical harm started)
0 likes@W33d Senpai Then how are you gonna protect yourself??
0 likesDefunding is just a buzzword that's been fed to you
Give the people some teeth& reform the system
@W33d Senpai I never said they didnt
0 likes@W33d Senpai ????
0 likesWell if you have a gun, then that's fine
@W33d Senpai Laws apply to normal people. Criminals, politicians, rich people, police are above the law.
0 likes@W33d Senpai I'm not American, so me no understand
0 likesBut, 2nd amendment allows anyone to get a gun, right??
A criminal record shouldn't change that
Isn't that a dangerous restriction???
@bajanqt123 and why you shouldn't trust them.
0 likesit is illegal i’m pretty sure
0 likesthey aren't paid to serve and protect the working class. they are quite literally not legally obligated to do so.
0 likesDiscord moderators of real life
0 likesYes I believe they should have all evidence they feel they have on the spot so if someone is innocent in question that they don't won't get locked up.
0 likesIf they had video then they need to show the video right then and there to the accused. All evidence has to be revealed in the integrator room before court.
@W33d Senpai I know
0 likesThe govt however.....
@Andy B in America it is illegal to doctor evidence and if a cop did this they would be fined and jail brother
0 likes@Luke Garwood In a perfect world, maybe. If you think it doesn't happen in either country then I don't know what to tell you.
0 likes@Randy Trashcan yeah ask the second guy how his BMW is.
0 likesSo in germany it actually is illegal to make up fake evidence in an interrogation
0 likesacab
0 likesIf the law really abided by "innocent until proven guilty" then county/regional jails would be barely operational and that won't be good for business
1 likeI'm a supporter of police but sketchy investigators & cops frustrate me immensely. There's a reason our laws include the presumption of innocence.
0 likesI was arrested in my younger years and charged with a felony, the whole thing was sketchy (questionning & all that) but I was lucky the cops were honest, in court they told the prosecution that I was not mirandized when I gave them certain info & combined with a bunch of other aspects it never even went to trial & I was acquitted.
All that to say there are good cops out there, almost all of them do that job to help their communities. The crooked and self serving lawmen out there need to be removed their positions of power however, because they will ruin someone's life unjustly to prop themselves up.
this really breaks my heart :(
0 likesshow's how stupid the cops can be in such sitations, which results in alot of cases going unsolved or wronged every year
0 likessimple procedure/drill that he's been doing for years, 1 slip is all it takes to doom someone innocent.
the ending made me happy. at least the cop was suspended without pay for what he done.
0 likesThis would be very easily cleared up by checking the cctv on the bus he just got off and if it happened to not be working then a simple statement from the bus driver and his employers where he was just returning home from would have been sufficient.
0 likesLogical reasonable people with emotion control do exist, it's crazy that you think they are the crazy ones and are willing to jail them for it.
0 likesNever answer questions or participate in an interview NO MATTER WHAT. Even if you’re asked to be a witness, do not speak without consulting a lawyer first. Cops will twist what you say and make you a suspect.
0 likesJust because they’re cops doesn’t mean they’re not corrupt or not bad at their job.
In the US - “I invoke the 5th, 4th and all other constitutional rights, I don’t answer questions, get me a lawyer”.
The fact that getting a confession without evidence is something that makes you more eligible for promotion is insane. It is literally mind boggling.
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I thought the same. If anything it should be seen as sloppy police work
136 likes@Annie F Exactly! Like it should work against you when trying to get promoted.
62 likesor mind bottling
5 likesIts more money! Gotta pay those bills. This is why people don't like police. Not that they are bad, but because their basic human needs are dependent on finding guilt.
50 likesI'm glad your eyes are opened now bud
4 likesNot really, It shows you're a good interrogator. A confession doesn't mean you've just proven yourself guilty and don't get a trial, so it's also not life destroying for the person who confessed.
5 likes@AnUpsideDownFish The III I get it, but I would assume there are other ways to tell if someone is a good interrogator. I get you can’t convict on a confession alone but it goes a long way. I’m not saying police shouldn’t be allowed to try to get a confession with no evidence but it shouldn’t be a marker for a promotion.
26 likesFaster conviction and less court resources used. I can't see how a confession alone would be enough evidence though.
0 likes@grantog123 The same is true for lawyers. They know the truth (attorney-client privilege). They legally fight for prosecution or defense regardless of it, and will use every move they can imagine to get a win for their client. The truth doesn't matter. In a different way, this has also become the trend in psychology, where doctors are pressured to diagnose people with something (e.g. personality disorder). There aren't many purely good things in civilization, given that people aren't purely good.
4 likesyep it's an industry and an industry that this channel gladly celebrates, he always talks about these tactics with absolutely zero sense of the negative systemic and institutional repercussions, so much for the pursuit of psychology,
0 likesThat is a poorly worded statement, no doubt. But...as oftentimes time is of the essence in criminal matters, having the ability to secure a confession and move on into the collection of information is extremely important. Too many cop shows on T.V. have made everyone think that the confession is the holy grail, but in reality it is the collection of additional information that is important. A confession of guilt is just the 'breaking' point - usually. Typically once an interrogator can 'break' a suspect, the suspect will then be forthcoming with additional information in an attempt to be cooperative.
2 likesWhen it is done properly, it can be viewed as a sign of skill and professionalism. On the flip-side, the same skill will allow an investigator to quickly rule-out potential suspects thus allowing them to get back to their lives without further harassment.
@UhYeahWhateverDude that is a much better way to explain that and I could see that being valuable. Makes me wonder though if some less experienced detectives fall into the trap of once they get that confession, only seeing what they want to see when subsequent evidence starts being discovered. How many cops get tunnel visioned and just try to make the evidence support the confession? Maybe hey do, maybe they don’t but this video should have explained that the way you did. Probably would have been received better.
0 likes@Ryan Swaggert a confession is a pretty hard piece of evidence to overcome, so unless you have some pretty compelling evidence that you didn't do it, you aren't likely getting a plea deal and at trial it's going to be very hard to overcome, especially if the case built against you consists of them bringing in everything that supports whatever you said you did on the tape.
0 likesAlso, if you don't have your own lawyer then there's not going to be much done on your behalf by your attorney because he's going to have 50 other cases like yours on his plate.
I assume they meant the cases where the suspects are actually proven guilty, where evidence were gathered after the confession.
0 likescrooked
0 likesprobably saving alot of time and money for courts and police
0 likesIt's not mind boggling at all. No one will confess to a crime if they're innocent, unless torture is used. So getting a guilty person to confess without evidence is no small feat, especially if he's not an idiot.
0 likes@SausosiosIsrugos people confess to crimes they didn’t commit more often than you think. It’s a bizarre psychological phenomenon but it happens. Sounds stupid to us but when you’re in the hot seat sometimes people do crazy things that make no sense to us observers.
0 likes@Chambo9 You have to be legitimately crazy if you're admitting to a crime you didn't commit, unless they are torturing you.
0 likes@SausosiosIsrugos that’s actually not true. Sometimes there is so much pressure put on the suspect, they believe that even though they didn’t do it, the cops somehow have evidence that they did and in order to avoid the death penalty or life in prison for a crime they didn’t commit , they take a plea deal where maybe they only get 10 years even though they didn’t do it. These people are petrified when they make this decision and detectives are trained to turn the heat up on these people and they break for no reason. There are a bunch of videos that show people confessing to crimes they didn’t commit. It’s wild.
0 likes@Chambo9 Now that's really mind boggling, I can't even wrap my head around that scenario. Will have to check those.
1 likeMany PD's operate on the idea that having a case closed is much better than having it open. At that point it becomes a question of ticking all the boxes so they have good, clean statistics. Getting a confession becomes the equivalent of actually catching the guilty party.
1 like@SausosiosIsrugos I know! I used to feel the same way. Very scary concept.
1 likeEvery beat cop thinks they a Sherlock
1 likeGlad someday said it. Exactly what I was thinking.
0 likesExactly right, you’d think that the person who put in the hard work to find evidence and connect the dots would be more likely to get a promotion. What a terribly lazy way of progression
0 likes@John Simpson You definitely didn’t miss the point of the comment...
0 likesWatching this from Scandinavia, I'm absolutely mind blown. A policeman acting as if the case is already concluded and they're just waiting for his confession would have the policeman defending himself in court the next day against his imprisonment
2 likesThe jail gets 98 dollars everyday you sit in jail .
1 likeFor catching criminals, it's a good thing if you can get them to confess without evidence, but since the chance that the person you're interrogating is innocent is much higher, and the strategy you use risks innocent people getting falsly punished makes it a reaaally terrible business
1 likenever watched 1 of ur vids before, but was recommended many times. im SO GLAD i watched this bc it was rlly interesting. thx!
0 likesFriggin A. I'm only a cop show enthusiast and even I know that the investigator just needs to establish a timeline and check out the dude's alibi and he'd be counted out as a suspect.
0 likesAt lest he got some money and an experience, I'm happy for him as he seems like a good Guy.
0 likesTheory:
0 likesInnocent untill proven guilty in a court of law.
Reality:
Guilty until proven innocent in a court of law.
Note to self: get a lawyer and don’t believe anything a cop says
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And not a court appointed one.
113 likesI've never been arrested but I've seen enough of these videos that if it does happen there will literally be only one word coming out of my mouth: lawyer.
215 likesDetective: Good morning
Me: LAWYER
Detective: The reason we're here today...
Me: LAWYER
Detective: Sir I'm trying to tell you...
Me with my fingers in my ears: LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER Nananana LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER
NEVER
82 likesEVER
Trust Police
Cops are definitely not our friends.
72 likesReminds me of that vid on youtube by an attorney: Never talk to cops, even if you're innocent.
101 likesCops can legally lie to you, that says everything.
84 likes@Titus Orelius There are good cops stop that divisive talk! Sure get a lawyer but please stop calling the the police (as collective) you only spread bad rep to people who dont deserve it.
12 likesDuh.
0 likes@Avasam it can ONLY hurt you to talk to police or let them in your home
4 likes@Normaali Ihminen no, that's how they operate. It doesn't matter if they are good people or not. It's their job. They will use everything they can against you, lie to you, trick you, betray your trust. Especially if they think you don't know any better. They will try to scare you or threaten you. Make false promises. They are never honest with you at all. They don't want you to know what they know or don't know, they are always fishing to get you to give them information that will be used against you or someone else. Imagine the undercover police that pretend to be peoples friends and gain their trust just to get them locked up and take their life away. Never talk to police. Don't listen to anything they tell you. They are not your friends and they are not a judge. They are only here to send you or someone else to jail and let the lawyers and judges work out who's guilty or innocent. If they can charge you with a crime they will. The more money the state makes, the more money they make. Unless you desperately need help or something crazy like your life is in danger. it can only hurt you or someone else to talk to police. It will never help you by talking. Any lawyer will tell you this. Police are not friends, they are the branch of the judicial system that arrests people and charges them with as many crimes as they can. Also that level of authority does terrible things even to good people. They are above the law for the most part. It gets to almost all of them. They aren't normal people anymore. I've met cops who are actually good people though, even have an uncle and a cousin who are police, but most cops are assholes. If they are good people they arent being good police officers. They are here to charge people with whatever crimes they can, always on the lookout, using everything they can to incriminate people. That's how to be a good cop and get a promotion and make money for themselves and the state
38 likesDeuceGenius I know how police Officers work. And they are doin their job as public servants keeping order. Also When I said “there are good cops” I did not meant to say that they are your “friends” stop putting words into my mouth. Seriously who you would call if someone is trying to break in to your home or your place of work (Guns or other forms of self defense are out of the question)?
3 likesOf course it’s their job. Their job is to evaluate according to law and other lawfully binding sources if crime has happened and if there is possibility of crime then it goes to “consideration of charges” -phase where prosecutor again evaluate according to law if crime happened. Judge enforce that in favor of prosecutor or in favor of defendant.
Again didnt I say “talk to lawyer”? I said that because It’s important to “access to justice” -principle of western world.
Don’t know 100% Of US criminal code but I’m 99,991% that there are laws about forging criminal evidence.
@asmulaabas Fact lol
0 likes@asmulaabas same
0 likes@Normaali Ihminen we can never know if we get a good or bad cop, so it's always better to make sure to not trust them than have the bad luck of having trusted the wrong person.
12 likesTHIS
0 likesYes! Why people willingly talk to detectives is absurd!
5 likesAlways always always always get a lawyer and don't talk
4 likesSpeaking from experience here..always ALWAYS get a lawyer.
2 likesThere's a great video on youtube titled "Don't Talk to the Police" given by a law professor, sums up why you never want to.
8 likesMy old man taught me from a young age. To ALWAYS have money put away for a good lawyer, regardless. He said there could be a time when you will be accused of something you didn't do. I didn't understand that as a kid, but I do now.
3 likesDon't give the detectives ANY statement. They are there exclusively to try and spin your words, break down your actions, and create whatever evidence they can to corroborate a Guilty verdict. They have no problem lying to you about anything and everything if it will help strengthen their narrative. You ever get arrested, they read you your rights and you IMMEDIATELY say "I would like my Lawyer present and have nothing to say at this time."
2 likesAKA fuck off, there is no way I'm talking to you clowns! If they brought you in by way of arrest/warrant, that means they are going to follow through with jail booking. Inevitably there is nothing you can say in 99% of these instances to change that.....So many people incriminate themselves for no reason it's absurd, where without that interrogation footage they would have never been convicted.
TL:DR KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AND USE THEM!
If you've been arrested and brought in for questioning, they've already assumed you're the criminal they're looking for, and so the only thing they're trying to achieve is an admission of guilt; they are NOT trying to decide whether you're really the criminal or not.
1 likeWord of advice.....no cop in the history of ever, has EVER been on your side....they are paid for by the State and the potential prosecution.....its not innocent till proven guilty....its your guilt until your shitty defense can prove your innocence against the weight of built up "evidence" against you.
5 likesTitus Orelius I kind of hesitate in saying this, but if you’re getting interrogated, you need to see the interview as un-human. They’re going to attempt to manipulate you mentally, seeing them as inhuman may help you avoid that mental manipulation until you get a lawyer.
0 likesGreenhelix5 the only time a cop is your friend is when you are a victim
0 likesYeah people who are falsely accused never have a lawyer because they think they won't need one since they're innocent and they don't want to seem guilty
2 likes@DeuceGenius Man, how profound. I definitely shouldn't have talked to that police officer the other day that helped me get out of the road and out of danger when my car ran out of gas...and a few years ago when I called the cops when my roommate came home extremely intoxicated and then I caught the guy she brought home trying to rape her while she was unconscious (luckily I was there, and nothing bad happened because of my 911 call), and then there was that one time my boyfriend and I were walking to the gas station at night in a crime-ridden part of the city we lived in, and a cop pulled up and gave us a ride instead of leaving us to walk around by ourselves...yeah...all cops bad. 🙄
1 likeEven if you're not guilty, request council and don't say anything without a lawyer present.
0 likesFirst Name Last Name no I know this for a fact they all hang together. And I know this from personal experience so try again.
0 likes@Twisted86 If cop Cops can legally lie to you you are either living in 3rd world country or some dictatorship with no real legal system
0 likesYup, guilty or innocent, say nothing, but "refer all questions to my attorney"
0 likes@Normaali Ihminen but the fact is they have the RIGHT to lie to you, and you don't know which of the police is going to be honest, so safer to distrust them all
0 likes@Avasam That was such a good lecture. Amusing too
0 likes@Normaali Ihminen if any cop would try to throw an innocent person in jail, and it’s impossible to tell who, you can’t trust any of them. The good cops should hold their comrades to their same standards.
0 likes@Breezy Wow. How clever and smart you are.
1 likeEveryone warning of the dangers of talking to police in the context of being in an interrogation room and suspected of a crime.
But hey. They helped you on the road once.
Get real and get informed. Please.
@Thanatos388 Dude's comment was so full of absolutes and most of what he said just isn't true. That's what I was commenting on.
1 like@Tempires Uh, the SCOTUS has ruled that cops are allowed to lie to you. It's not a "3rd world country" thing, it's a USA thing.
0 likesMan I don't like being in them situations either I was once held and not told why I was held but threatened so many times and then definitely learn after about 3 hours of interrogation and then trying to get me to admit to what I did not even knowing why I was there and I'm not telling me to to find out that there was an undercover cop killed. I'll never forget that situation and what it was like to deal with and how it seems so wrong and how they need to have a different system I have a different system in place besides using threats and lies to try to get you to admit to false accusations.
0 likesStuff like this makes me want to never leave my house again and film my every move.
0 likesA cop should automatically be sentenced to jail for the maximum amount of time in relation to the crime that they falsely accuse someone of committing
6 likesWow, the first guy is tolerant. I wish I had his demeanour.
0 likesLesson:
8243 likes1. Never talk to the police when crime is involved
2. Lawyer. Lawyer. LAWYER.
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this needs to be the most liked comment on youtube
111 likesDoesnt work in japan law
71 likes@Milkitalix out of curiosity, would you mind explaining why?
167 likesMilkitalix yeah.. considering I live in japan— I’m kinda curious too
48 likes@Milkitalix replying to this so I can get an answer too because I'm curious. I know there its guilty until proven innocent but thats it.
50 likesJust don't talk to the police
30 likes@L. A Conviction rates in Japan exceed 99 percent
100 likes@Milkitalix yea I wanna know why too
4 likes@Disini Fernando one conviction rates 99%
131 likes2 the lawyer does not need to be present
3 The interrogation can take weeks (search for a documentary or article about the Japanese justice system)
and if you can't afford lawyer then what? you stay silent the whole time?
16 likes@matrixfull You have a right to a lawyer, I'm not familiar enough with US law, but here and in most places I know about the legal system is obligated to provide you with a pro bono lawyer if you can't afford one. This isn't ideal, mostly because they tend to have an impossible workload as these departments tend to be underfunded, but it's still far better than no lawyer.
88 likes@matrixfull if you can't afford a lawyer, they provide one for you
11 likes@Leander van Rees Where is here in your case? In Canada there are no pro bono lawyers. You get legal aid, which pays for a lawyer that actually is invested in representing you to the best of their ability. As the only way to climb the ladder and increase your rate is to be successful.
15 likesStill doesn't provide the same for the rich and poor, as legal aid will buy you a less experienced one, but it is better than for example the US system.
And if you are Dutch (your name is), in the Netherlands there is a system in which all registered lawyers have to spend X amount time on cases from the poor. It doesn;t matter if they spend that all on one case or on multiple ones, so if they have any professionalism, they might as well do the best they can, as the cases are still of value for their overall reputation and position/rate.
BUT how can you NOT talk to police?
9 likesWhen police ask you the happening, do you just answer I don't know?
@FM "you have the right to remain silent"
43 likes@Mathyn Ibrahim Exactly. And “anything you say can & WILL be used against you in a court of law.”
19 likesFM police are so smart, they Can figure out Them selves without you talking at all
4 likes@matrixfull "if you can afford a lawyer, one will be provided to you" duty council
8 likes@matrixfull In the US, an attorney is appointed to you via taxpayer $. It is commonly known hat they are far from the best, but they still have a job and your best bet is to (respectfully) not speak to the police without said attorney present.
3 likeseven when you know you're innocent?
4 likes@Legit Qs The police can make you say anything that proves you guilty. To say nothing is the best option.
21 likesWhy drop racks on a lawyer when your innocent. Do what this guy did. Tough it up sit in some shitty holding cell until justice is served. If it doesn’t get served then you call a laywer. Regardless this guy lives in Hamilton, Ontario all’s he was thinking about was those restitution fee’s
6 likesLesson 2: Cops lie all the time
12 likesBecause some officers just want promotions, some harass you into admitting something u didn’t do, maybe because of own interests or discriminatory reasons. Japan is more so of a homogeneous country, where as the US is not, the US also has higher crime rates which some smaller crimes might be rushed. The later means, simply just gonna have more biases under investigation. The Police are human, they make mistakes too and have their own biases. Even though justice say “innocent until proven guilty”, most of the time it’s “guilty until proven innocent” and because of that it’s just safer to get a lawyer, so you don’t get harassed or say the wrong things during interrogations that can lead up to false imprisonments.
13 likesGet back in the bunker.
0 likesNote to self, Japan sucked before all of this lawyer talk anyways.
4 likes"I'm sorry officer, I don't answer any questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?", nothing else, period..
7 likesLesson 2, run for government positions so you can be above the law.
1 likeVery true a lawyer could have even investigated on his behalf
0 likes2: assuming that lawyers are affordable.
0 likes@Mark G they would tell you
0 likesYes im conducting an investigation then he would ask you if you robbed the liquor store to which im guessing you wouldn't answer
Have fun with that
@Dank Harambe Kush Because it can not, I repeat CAN NOT help you but it can certainly hurt you. There is a provision in the law that actually says that it can only incriminate you. For instance, you tell the police officer the every detail of what you did that night and, by some miracle both you and the police officer remember it perfectly and you repeat it to the court and call the police officer as a witness to show that there is no way you could have made up that story because you remembered every detail about it. Prosecutor: "Objection Hearsay". Now say you do that exact same thing but you mess up a few details because it was an adrenaline filled night, you were just arrested after all, the police officer then points out these inconsistencies or perhaps the officer is the one who misremembers certain details, boom case where there was none.
13 likes@Toren Gallagher If they are asking you questions, it means they don't have enough evidence to arrest you, or they want to see what they can divulge from you before you are arrested. Either way, there is no circumstance under which you might benefit from answering questions, especially in a typical traffic stop.. If there are other parties involved in an ongoing scenario, especially if officer or public safety is at risk, you might benefit from from sharing important details that would help resolve these. Assuming it goes to trial, and they actually document your assistance. I wouldn't count on it though..
7 likesEvery police interview ever. I would never willingly sit in that room.
0 likes@Mark G that or their figuring out what to arrest you for
0 likes@Spoder スポーダー In the US it is usually the case that citizens simply don't understand their rights, or how to exercise them, so they voluntarily surrender them out of ignorance of the Law.. I suspect it is similar in Japan.. Of course militarized Police are becoming much more aggressive.. The worse the municipal pension funds dip into insolvency, the worse it will get I imagine. Gotta get thatt moneyy maaan! X ) The higher average petty and violent crime statistics in the US are solely a result of the so called "War on Drugs", which is actually a war on the people. An excuse to militarize the Police force, and turn what used to be simple acts of self destruction, into revenue streams for municipalities, and their Administrative Court system, which results in fewer than 15% jury trials. Meaning, no one can afford the system, so almost every one makes a deal or settles with the prosecution, no trial. It's a massive fraud, and one example of how the US was overthrown by Freemasonic traitors a long time ago.
2 likes@Toren Gallagher Yeah, it's sickening isn't it...?
1 like"There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion. If you expressed it, you would know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid $150 for keeping honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should allow honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, I would be like Othello before twenty-four hours: my occupation would be gone. The man who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street hunting for another job. The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to villify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary. You know this, and I know it; and what foolery to be toasting an "Independent Press"! We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes." - John Swinton 1883
4 likes@Mark G sounds like a personal issue
0 likes@Milkitalix you wouldn't be in a country that has the value of innocent until proven guilty but welcome to america
0 likes@Mark G u mad?
0 likesYa you big mad
@Mark G stupid is as stupid does
1 likeAnd once you get a lawyer....then what? A lawyer isn't going to prove your innocence during an interrogation. You're still going to jail until the court date!
2 likes@Legit Qs especially when you are innocent, people think - oh well if I cooperate that will make me look innocent- little do they know that is far from the truth 🤣🤣
2 likes@Legit Qs yes. they can twist things around
1 like@Mark G Cop: "We just need to fill in a few details" Translation, "We've got nothing".
5 likes@Toren Gallagher Ever seen Idiocracy? That was about your kids, won't even take a 100 years.. X )
0 likes@Pedro Lopez Exactly, if they are asking you to do "anything", it means they either have no probable cause to order you to do it, or they are just seeing how consensual you will be to further violations of your rights. Do not consent, do not answer questions, you are under no obligation to do so. Always, always record any interaction on a phone that screen locks, or better yet an app that uploads in real time so a criminal Fascist/Commissar won't have the option of erasing his criminal activity..
3 likes@Mark G is that a quote from 1883
0 likesThis is america
2 likesImmediately, ESPECIALLY if you DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME.
0 likesI would go absolutely crazy in an interrogation room if falsely accused. They would have to strap me to the chair and gag me.
1 likeWhat if I'm a minor and my family doesn't have the money for a lawyer?
0 likes@KIMINKINK ' I smell cap
0 likesNever talk to police at all.
6 likesthere is literally zero reason any law enforcement officer Will ever attempt to speak with you without there being a motive behind it.
Even when you were the victim they will take a report and then leave often saying very little to you.
When cops want to talk to you that means they're trying to pin something on you
@Mark G nope.
0 likes"I have nothing to say without an attorney present."
Nice name my guy
0 likesWtf? Or you can help them solve the TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE crime(s) that have been committed, from them wanting to talk to you???
0 likesThe bail system in this country is fucked up. Assuming Guilt and being held against cash bail availability, is unethical. Why we let it continue is beyond me.
0 likesExactly, ESPECIALLY if the person is innocent, because then it will be even more complicated
0 likes3. Plead the 5th amendment
0 likesWhat many people also don't know, even if you have a lawyer, you don't have to speak to the police
2 likes... EVER ! Even if you've been charged with murder, there is no statue that says you must converse with officers of the law.
@FM Tell them that your lawyer charges double if you speak to the police.
0 likesNever talk to police period.
0 likes@Leander van Rees in the US you also have the right to a have lawyer. It isn’t ideal though for the same reasons you stated
0 likes@FuckOuttaHere if you are in America most states police can not talk to a minor before a phone call or have a lawyer present. A public defender or an attorney will be provided to you free of charge if you can not afford one.
0 likes@Legit Qs never talk to the police, there’s countless innocent people in jail because they tried to talk their way out of it. Let your attorney do the talking for you. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law
1 like@Milkitalix Japan literally has a cannibal as a celebrity-
0 likesAt least it had a happy ending, that officer deserved his demotion an suspension.
1 like@matrixfull yes lol you are not obligated to say anything.
0 likesas they say: you have right to be silence so then FKNG BE!!!
0 likes@FM You just respond with nothing and ask for a lawyer, you don't have to answer any questions the police ask you.
0 likesProblem with that, 70-90% of people need a public defender. Public defenders are only supposed to handle 100-150 cases, most have more than 300. You won’t see one for 3+ months. Even when you do they won’t be prepared and often times evidence that could exonerate the accused is lost.
0 likes@Milkitalix I guess we will never get @Milkitalix to explain it why
0 likesWhen police question you, ask if you're under arrest. If they say yes, ask for a lawyer and don't say another word to them (except for asking for water and a toilet break), and do not resist arrest, just don't talk to them. But if they say no, ask them when you'll be free to go and don't say another word to them.
2 likesPolice are there to protect and serve, but that doesn't make them your friends. They hunt criminals, that's their job. In the pursuit of hunting criminals, they don't mind if a civilian gets dragged through the courts for insufficient reasons. They don't seek the truth, they seek convictions.
@FM all you say is " i want a lawyer" to every question they ask.
0 likes@L. A so from what I've heard about criminal procedure in japan. If you're accused, you're are almost certainly going to jail. Like greater than 99% chance of being convicted. Even if you have absolutely nothing to do with the case.
1 likeThe general consensus is because judges don't want to shame to justice system by acquitting anyone. If you acquit someone of a crime, you admit that the justice system failed in some way. Admitting failure is something that is entirely antithetical to japanese culture and customers.
no. 1 is DO NOT GO ANYWHERE WITHOUT SEEING THE WARRANT AND LAWYERING UP (forcing a confession from someone who does not know what they have been summoned about and not having their rights read is the most common way to railroad an innocent). 2 is refuse to say anything unless the lawyer is there (if said lawyer was not present before no 2). 3 is do not touch any object the police brings in the room, lest they 'suddenly find new fingerprint evidence' from the object you touched. it happens more than you'd like to imagine
1 likeAnd if you get a lawyer they say you’re guilty than...
0 likes@Tima doesn't matter what the detective says. What matters is what the jury says. Half the people interrogated on this channel would've got away with it had they not talked to the police. So I'm glad they did, but if you're innocent you shouldn't.
0 likeseven cops know get a lawyer first
0 likes"Never talk to the police; they will lie and trap you. Get a lawyer, a professional liar who will fight for you regardless of what you did."
0 likesImagine explaining our criminal justice system to aliens.
Suspect: You can stop talking now until I have a lawyer present.
0 likesLWYRUP
0 likesYeah being questioned by police should go like this. "Are you charging me with a crime?" if yes than immediately follow with "I want a lawyer." You also have to be REALLY clear in asserting that you want a LAWYER, the courts have been a bit cheeky in the States allowing terms like "I think I want an attorney." to NOT be a request for a lawyer...
0 likes@matrixfull the court has to provide you with a lawyer free of charge.
0 likes@FM you have the right to remain silent so when they ask if they can question you. Just say no thank you.
0 likes@Legit Qs yes especially if you know your innocent. If you are innocent you can agree to answer written questions that are reviewed by your lawyer.
0 likes@KIMINKINK ' if you’re in japan, it doesn’t matter, you’re going to jail
0 likesIf you are being interrogated can you say you want your lawyer to speak and then nothing else
0 likesIn canada
I wish Jim would remake the video where he showed a guy screaming lawyer the second he enters the interrogation room, he got fucked hard casue he had no real implication in the case but his "I won't talk I want a lawyer" mentality got the cops 100% on him and turned him. Into the main suspect, he was indeed the perp by the way.
1 likeIf you have nothing to hide cooperate as much as needed, the second the pigs start to throw shit at you is the second you ask for a lawyer, being helpful and cooperating with the cops helps a lot in court dudes.
@Methro Status Even if your kid was murdered and you saw the suspect leaving your house? You'd wait for a lawyer to show up while your kid's killer is on the loose?
0 likes@Dank Harambe Kush Yeah, I'd rather not waste money
0 likes@Mark G that would also be about your children to genius
0 likes@A T I find the opposite to be the case and that’s why you have to be careful, because you can end up in jail accused of something you didn’t do.
0 likes@Legit Qs Yes, even when you’re innocent. Beware of the attorneys assigned by the state. They have such a big workload that they just want to clear their docket, even if that means to trade you in as a pawn and try to convince you to take a plea bargain, even when you’re innocent - I say this from experience. I was wrongfully accused of domestic battery against my douchebag ex, spent the night in jail and my attorney (provided by the state) was convincing me to enter a plea bargain, and how “this was my best option”. I said NO.
0 likesI had been documenting my ex’s obsessive, abusive and controlling behavior even before and after that altercation. I took pictures of my bruises of that evening, as they started to set in, texts, videos, etc. I gave her my load of evidence and told her we’d go to trial, if the prosecutor would like to be ridiculed in court for trying to put the victim in prison. But if I hadn’t done all her work for her, and if I hadn’t gotten a clue about legal proceedings, that woman was willing to send me to prison, so she could move on to her next case. GET A REAL LAWYER. Even when you’re innocent.
Doesn't work in India either. Police will beat you until you confess.
0 likes@nicole o’reilly while it’s a shame that anyone ever idolized that vile excuse for a human, this is no longer the case. He’s supposedly been taken off that pedestal and shamed into a reclusive lifestyle.
0 likes@matrixfull In the U.S you are provided a lawyer for free if you can't afford one. But yes, you plead the fifth and stay quiet until you get a lawyer.
0 likesbetter call Saul
0 likes@Shan Ali ?? i literally just asked a question lol
0 likes@Legit Qs especially when you know you are innocent!
0 likesAnd while they're in the interrogation room barking up the wrong tree, the real perp is out there getting away. So frustrating.
0 likesPlot twist: he actually WAS guilty; he doctored the video footage and paid off the alleged witnesses with money from his stolen jewelry
1 likeSo...they didn't even try to ask the busdriver if he indeed WAS on the bus?
0 likesSeriously, the US has such bad police proceedures that you folk see as normal. It's horrifying.
You know when you hear a lie and you don’t know wat to say but to laugh in distress 😂😂 “hell no man”
0 likesThe takeaway here is do not talk to the police, under any circumstance, without a lawyer present. There is absolutely no possibility of convincing an officer, who is intent on charging you, of your innocence.
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exactly. there are too many cops who no longer have the goal of justice, but more of have the goal of being able to stick a charge to whoever they can.
79 likes@MPB Mason I'm sorry, but what is your source of information? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but why is it never considered that it's only the black sheep that are pointed out? Have you never even thought of the possibility that there are more good law enforcement officers than bad ones?
5 likes@David Ace Rej Ollsan I’m sorry, but did you even read my comment? I never stated that more cops than not attempt to pin a charge on you. I fully support law enforcement, but as shown in the video, too many cops aren’t even interested in justice, but are more interested in making a quota. Try working on your reading and comprehension skills before putting words in someone else’s mouth👍
44 likesThere are plenty of law enforcement agents that’d rather pin a charge on an innocent person, rather than publicly admit they couldn’t catch him to save face. That doesn’t mean I’m saying all cops are bad, but there are a lot of bad apples within our country’s law enforcement agencies.
But my source of information was this video, a cop attempted to get a confession, from an innocent person, by use of the lie that there was undeniable evidence that doesn’t even exist.
@MPB Mason You imply that I'm putting words in your mouth, yet you just admitted that you are using a youtube video pointing out bad cops as your source of statistics of good police/bad police. Just because you saw a youtube video about a few bad apples doesn't mean there's "so many" of them that it's now a problem.
2 likes& it's not your job. It's their job to prove you're guilty.
3 likes@David Ace Rej Ollsan Oh, you know what you’re exactly correct. It’s more probable that this is the only cop who’s ever been guilty of not correct performing his job. There’s probably never been another. That’s sarcasm, just incase it goes right over your head.
17 likesMy argument never included any statistics. Like I said, try rereading my comment.
But back to what I was saying, the fact that there’s even one cop that does it, means there’s too many. Hope this helps.
But is this not a problem? Is this just completely fine, or is it a problem?
@B it’s their job to protect and serve, not try to prove anyone’s guilty.
14 likesIf you're guilty, talk away. Confess.
1 like@David Ace Rej Ollsan stop justifying this by using good cop bad cop.... Two years of his life took from him... Gtfoh
19 likes@Javito I'm not justifying anything, this man was unfortunately wronged by a clearly inexperienced officer and didn't deserve two years in a prison. Where did I imply that?
0 likes@David Ace Rej Ollsan Would you eat from a jar of jelly beans knowing 1% of them are poisoned? The point is, it doesn't matter if the good cops outnumber the bad ones. Why would you willingly hand over your life to them and trust them to do what you expect them to do? You are entitled to a lawyer who knows how to defend your rights. You don't have to convince cops that you're innocent, you need to convince a jury of your peers. Talking to cops will literally do nothing but harm you.
10 likes@David Ace Rej Ollsan Actually it has nothing to do with an individual cop. If you are arrested they are supposed to assume you are guilty and use anything you say to prove it. That is their job. Then it goes to the DA. That is how it works and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. You are literally told "anything you say will be used against you". Once you are told that, it does not matter how nice or moral a cop is. They must perform the job. That is what they're rewarded fir and doing otherwise would result in demotion. You do not talk except to ask for a lawyer. They are playing their role they are required to, and you must go through the system.
6 likesI'm not saying this is good or right as it is way to easy to get arrested, and once you are on that road you are in increasing danger of losing your freedom. But once youre rights are read, you're only option is the courts.
@David Ace Rej Ollsan You are putting words in this mouth tho. He never said "most cops", not even "x% of cops". He said "too many". And honestly, he's right. ONE is too many.
7 likesWho the fuck ever talked statistics? You are the only one here who reads: "Too many people do bad things" as "Most people do bad things". It's embarrasing.
@David Ace Rej Ollsan man you can't even quote him right. Once again, the only one who read "so many" is you, it's all in your mind dude...
8 likes@Hersy you sound very upset and totally not biased at all
1 like@David Ace Rej Ollsan you're right... I was unnecesarily upset... was having a bad time... but no bias needed for pointing out what I did, or for it to be true.
2 likes@Hersy I respect that you admit taking the topic a bit too seriously. I'm not going to lie either, I admit I put words in his mouth without really paying attention what he was trying to say. There is definitely a lot of bad law enforcers out there, but I think they don't get credit for the good things they do.
4 likes@MPB Mason part of this, as affirmed time and again by the Supreme Court, is wrong. Officers only have a job to protect those who are “in custody”. An officer can watch a guy who they were actively looking for, who’d killed 3 people already, get on a train, impersonate an officer, attack and stab another person several times and they DO NOT have to protect the guy getting stabbed. We know this cause it happened in New York City. The courts ruled once again that, constitutionally, the police do not have to protect you. There’s a whole video about it on the Cracked Channel.
1 likeFACTS. 💯
1 likeThis has been an important lesson. I think everyone should be taught. Thank you for posting this
1 like@David Ace Rej Ollsan even a single police who does that is a problem
0 likesthis is scary how one word can get an innocent person locked up in jail based on the loose account of some liar
0 likesare there more videos like these? please link me some, i like these wrongfully accused people getting justice
0 likesI wish the conversation had gone along the lines:
0 likesDetective: "we got you on video", Michael: " you're a fucking liar"
It’s different when you commit the crime knowing the time your looking at but god damn right I’d scream it or be mad if I was in there and I didnt
0 likes“I have conclusive evidence you’re guilty”
28651 likeshas zero evidence
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They say lots of things. If the police were allowed to hire smart people anymore it mighht be harder to tell when they're lying.
1169 likes"The truth is paramount"
893 likesuh...ok buddy
I’ve seen detectives use this technique to get a confession on this channel. It works
534 likesPretty much summed up the opposition to Trump.
208 likesEdit. Wow this triggered alot of snowflakes. 🤦♂️
@ItWasNeverARight what about his constant ignoring of subpoenas? Just that 1 easy evidence based things right quick if ya want. Not to mention his complete lack of a concrete plan for any of part of our country besides yelling crazy slogans. Or his total rule through executive order which has not teeth and gets nothing done. These are all concrete things that happen and are bad. He just isn't good at his job, he should be a radio host, maybe. He sucks at managing anything, the only thing he has gotten done is what, a little bit of wall? Even by his own measures he is a failure, and his measures suck.
138 likesI have a conclusive evidence you're going to be demoted sir!
73 likesEvidence: 20/20 Hindsight
@ItWasNeverARight You trying to say Trump is the arbiter of Truth? The guy who downplayed Covid for over a month, LYING TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, 210K+ DEAD; THAT GUY??
235 likesHAHAHA
How is that even legal for the police to do? Thanks to JimCantSwim videos I'm refusing EVER being interrogated by police in any context. They can talk to my lawyer. And do NOT let them appoint a lawyer for you, get one on your own from the outside.
86 likesHow the fuck that is allowed in a developed nation blows my mind.
66 likesDossier technique, isn't it?
3 likes@MadMrMatter the guy that put a travel ban on china, and was called racist? fauci and the WHO parroted china downplaying the virus.
46 likes@nardinit I was surprised he didn't say "I'd like to be able to trust you that the truth is paramount, but it's a bit hard considering you're lying about the video showing me."
12 likesvery sus
9 likes@watido11 idk if you edited because this took place in Hamilton, Ontario and not the US, but there you go
2 likesMadMrMatter average age of COVID deaths is higher than life expectancy in the US. It’s fairly dangerous for an elderly and sickly subpopulation. People who would die within weeks to a year in its absence.
9 likes@watido11 Well, it was Canada but you are spot on with your point. It seems the cops just couldn't be bothered to look.
1 like@watido11 This is how little they care about the truth. A third detective checked his story 3 days after this video, and followed his steps and checked the surveillance around the area proofing his innocence. They didn't want to actually work for the truth, and that got their asses a demotion and a suspension without pay.
42 likesProps for the honest third detective though 👍
@MadMrMatter Lmao wow triggered much? Trump isn't a paragon of truth. He does seem to get proven right very often. And all the "scandals" turn out to be either way misrepresented (like taxes) or complete fabrications(like Russian collision or him calling soldiers suckers) so my comment was more based on Adam Schiff claiming to have seen evidence of collision when he has zero.
31 likesNow the whole "He lied blah blah" that's such a childish oversimplification of the issue it unbelievable. Yes he downplayed the virus. Was that the right move? 🤷♂️ Maybe not. Idk. But to dismiss the concerns of a public panic would be negligence on his part. People were already panic buying stuff and that causes problems. Had he been all Doom and gloom they'd be criticizing him for that.
And blaming Trump for the 210k deaths shows either an ignorance of how our country operators or a bias omission of facts. Trumps just the president. The governors have more to do with this than he does.
In this day and age.
12 likesIn this current climate.
It doesn’t work that way.
I have every right.
I’m the law!
I’m giving you a lawful order!
Can I pat you down?
We got a call.
Here’s the deal.
Anything illegal on you?
Anything in your car I should know about?
Anything in your pockets that will poke me?
Anything you’d like to tell me?
This is a sobriety checkpoint!
This is a immigration checkpoint!
This is a drivers license checkpoint!
This is a seatbelt checkpoint!
This is a produce checkpoint!
I heard screaming!
I heard arguing!
I heard noises!
I heard voices!
I heard whispering!
I smell marijuana!
I smell alcohol!
I smell meth!
I smell crack!
Why are your eyes glassy?
Why are your eyes dialated?
Why are your eyes pinpoint?
Why are your eyes shaking?
Why are your eves watery?
Why are your eyes bloodshot?
Why are you sweating?
Why are you so nervous?
Why are you shaking?
Why are you so calm?
Why are you breathing so heavy?
Why are you breathing so shallow?
Why are you breathing so fast?
Why are you breathing so slow?
Do you have a weapon?
Do you have a gun?
Do you have a knife?
Do you have a sharp object?
Do you have a I.D.?
Do you have a warrant?
Do you have a felony?
Do you have a license?
I’d like to know who I’m dealing with.
I’d like to know your name.
I’d like to know your intentions.
I’d like to know what your doing.
I’d like to know what your up to.
Do you have any documents?
Do you have any fruit?
Do you have any vegetables?
Do you have any money?
Where are you coming from?
Where are you going?
Don’t tense up on me!
Don’t flex up on me!
Don’t square up to me!
Don’t act tough on me!
You match the description!
You match the tell tale signs!
You match the demographic!
Are you on probation?
Are you sober?
Are you on drugs?
Are you on medications?
Are you under the influence?
How much have you had to drink?
What are you hiding?
I’m not searching I’m inspecting!
You look suspicious!
You’re acting suspicious!
You sound suspicious!
Why won’t you let us search you?
Why are you so uncooperative?
The K-9 hit on your car!
The K-9 hit on your person!
The K-9 hit on your passenger!
The K-9 hit on your rectum!
If you don’t answer my questions you go to jail!
If you don’t talk to me you go to jail!
If you don’t listen to me you go to jail!
STEP OUT OF THE CAR!!!
I DON’T HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY NAME!!!
I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT!!!
I AM THE LAW!!!
I DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU!!!
DON’T YOU DARE DISRESPECT ME!!!
TURN OFF THAT PHONE!!!
PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE HOOD!!!
PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!!
STOP RESISTING!!!
STOP GOING FOR MY GUN!!!
TAZER TAZER TAZER!!!
SHOTS FIRED SHOTS FIRED!!!
We KNOW you did it!
We HAVE evidence!
We HAVE a witness!
We KNOW you were there!
We HAVE you on camera!
We HAVE your fingerprints!
We can place you at the scene.
We can put you in the timeline.
We wanna hear your side!
Just confess and you’ll feel better.
Just tell us and this can be over with.
Just man up and let it out.
Just give us your side of the story.
All attorneys do it slow things down.
All attorneys do is take your money.
All attorneys do is screw your over.
All attorneys do is prolong the inevitable.
It’s ALL SUBJECTIVE BS!
@Usama Khurshid it works in putting innocent people away, in the EU most cops aren't allowed to lie to get a false confession, it's a pretty barbaric way to police
6 likes@WantedNOMAD got a link to that?
1 likeReminds me of the cop telling on that asian teen that they got Infra red satellite images of the burglars inside her house... like lol shes not 10
1 like@ItWasNeverARight
12 likesdon't flatter yourself sweetie
@MadMrMatter Didn't he also shut down travel over concerns this would get bad?
5 likesSCOTUS has ruled the police can lie to you but if you lie to them its a crime (felony). Get a lawyer shut yer mouth
11 likes@JayMac The WHO also claimed the virus couldn't be transmitted p2p.
4 likes@MadMrMatter those numbers are fake
5 likesIt's because to get a sense of how they react to the idea of knowing if they have the evdince and see you react
0 likes@Alex This is what jcs mentioned by the end of this video right after 21:17
0 likes@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy No they didn't. In early January they said there was "no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission" and five days later compared modes of transmission to SARS and MERS, which is to say its an airborne respiratory virus.
6 likesSaying there's no evidence does mean it's not possible, it means they don't know.
@Shawn Seems like a pretty dangerous assertion to make considering they put the lives of millions at stake. If anything it makes trusting them a lot harder.
5 likes@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy The media lies every day
6 likes@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy Seriously? They said there was no evidence, and you call it a dangerous assertion. They had more information five days later, still in early January. There were no known deaths at that point. Now, over 212,000 dead Americans later, there are still people saying it's a democrat hoax, due to Trumps own dangerous assertion.
6 likesevidence has to prove guilt beyond the reasonable doubt,
0 likes@sparklefizz I think his response of a relieved 'perfect' when told about the video tape is quite telling. The detective should've picked up on that. A guilty person would've been worried when presented with that.
6 likes@Manatee Power You're using the term "developed nation" quite loosely, I see ;-)
0 likesWhen the cops say they already have the evidence against you, they are lying. Because if they did, they would not need to keep questioning you or trying to get you to say you did it, they would just prosecute you.
6 likesThat’s a tactic. If somebody is innocent then of course they’ll still argue it, but somebody whose guilty is more likely to confess if a detective says, “We know you did it” whether or not they even have any proof.
1 like@Usama Khurshid It's because a guilty person would start to question themselves - maybe there was more evidence left behind after, during or before the crime took place and it shows.
2 likes@MadMrMatter what does Trump have to do with a pandemic that has less total deaths than the flu??? He can't just force everyone to wear masks especially when Covid 19 isn't even that fatal and more people recover 99% of the time than dying
4 likesits a technique
0 likesUsama Khurshid I guess it’s his first video otherwise I can’t explain his comment.
0 likesIf people knew how often police lie through their teeth with a straight face they'd never trust them
5 likescoiner10 it’s a f*cking interrogation tactic...go watch more of his videos before you start talking bs
0 likesadam schiff in a nutshell
1 likeDr Drift King99 Uhh, have you checked the stats lately? Over 1 million deaths in less than one year. The flu is not nearly as lethal, neither in absolute nor relative numbers. And where did you get your 99% survival rate figure from? Most estimates place COVID-19 at about 3% mortality rate (so 97% survival rate) overall, and that increases in older people (like Trump) to about 15%! And that’s not taking into account other potential lasting consequences. All this justifies mandatory masks, among other measures, like all countries that have successfully combatted the virus (which, BTW, in comparison with the US, most of them have done better) have done.
4 likes@GRBTutorials those estimates are old, the treatments are better now, almost no one dies from COVID now. check the stats. last 30 days. infected and dead. covid isnt the boogieman you think it is
1 like@ItWasNeverARight wait... Did you seriously use the term snowflake unironically? Didn't realize we were in middle school.
11 likesHappens more often than you'd think. Even happened to me not that long ago. Fuck that system.
0 likesJeff Byrd well that’s the most incorrect thing I’ve read in a while
1 likeThe suspect was a short white guy.. so they arrest a tall black guy and try to gaslight him into admitting guilt.
7 likesThis can't be legal.
MadMrMatter
1 likeHe never didn’t act when he needed to, and the Chinese Virus isn’t the fault of him. When did he lie? Oh yea wait, never, that’s right
@Bauernade none of it is fair 🤦🏻♀️ that's just like saying that white dude had a slave but "to be fair", the white guys parents died in Auschwitz and the black guy "matched the description" of the white male that killed his parents in Auschwitz.
1 like@MadMrMatter
2 likesYou mean Covid, the disease the 74 year old Trump got, but now is just fine a few days later?
Police can lie and push pressure on suspect but its double edge blade.
1 likeManospondylus Gigas he asked for the emails live on TV dude.
0 likesWhen I was a teen, I saw a cop on tv said: "NEVER TRUST A COP. They are not your friend. They will Lie to you." Remember your rights: You have the RIGHT to remain SILENT. ANYTHING you SAY can and will be used AGAINST you.
2 likesShow me! That's right, I wanna see the amount of evidence, or maybe just one of them. Just show me the video you claim you have.
2 likesLol I would have smiled and asked to get the whole station to watch the video
1 like@JayMac lol the WHO downplayed it? Trump still does 😂
1 likehas evidence conclusively proving his innocence
2 likesYou should do the case of Russell Williams the army corporal
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight Bro you dont just go and oppose the narrative like that ;D
0 likes@G S is that why Democrats used old folks homes as covid recovery centers?
2 likesHis only evidence was the dude’s fuckin skin color
0 likesAmong us in a nutshell
0 likes@zeranzeran state appointed lawyers are good lawyers, theyre just overworked. they can only spend an avg of like 2 hours per case each week
0 likes@Jamalyo gugaratee The reason I say that is because I just recently watched The Manson Trials, and the state appointed lawyer given to Charles Manson was literally murdered (by someone else entirely, his body was never found) and Manson got blamed for it despite having nothing to do with it! So long story short, they appointed him a lawyer that just made his charges much, much worse, and then killed the guy. I know that's a wildly different case, but it just made me trust the police less even more. I don't know if I'd trust their appointed lawyers either, but I may be way off here.
1 like@zeranzeran manson was a very unique case. watch joe rogan about mk ultra and manson, its some wild shit.
0 likesIt is not lie when the government agency talked to you. However，you go to jail if you talk to government agency same words.
0 likes@Ann An It's a lie
1 like@Tuisku Roininen You mad?
1 like@zeranzeran You are right. That is always lie in general people's standard. However, it is not in the people with the power.
0 likesI thought the police were obligated to stick to the truth...?
0 likeshas zero evidence, many people get life sentences, death penalty, they saing it's normal causes
0 likes@zeranzeran
0 likesBut if you are guilty or have been hard framed you might as well try your luck with the interrogation and hope the cop will voach for you or that you can use it as evidence you didn't commit the crime.
@Discarded Nutrag
1 likeThat was evidence proving his innocence the subject was a short white man.
@Cormac B Nah, even then. Don't talk. Get a lawyer.
0 likes"COPINAL":
0 likesCop+criminal: "A cop pretending to follow the law", "A bent cop", "A cop who
thinks he is above the law: "One law for them another for the public".
"COPINALING":
"A criminally minded police officer who is hounding, bothering, pestering,
criminalizing, bullying, accusing, abusing and such the innocent, law abiding
public and the other police officers (Hyenas) who back him up and are complicit
in his copinaling (say nothing and do nothing to stop it)".
"COPINAL ACTIVITY":
"Hounding law abiding people like a gang of bully boys".
"A police officer engaged in unlawful activity against the innocent public".
"COPINAL": Cop+criminal=
("SECUNALS" for ´security guards´)
A ´Copinal´ (cop+criminal: ´a bent cop´) is:
1. ´A bent cop who makes up his own laws and rules and is prone
to violence when you, the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN shows resistance
to his unlawful and unreasonable commands and unlawful demands´.
A ´Copinal´ is:
2. ´A criminal police officer with a badge and a gun and no honour´
(A liar and an oath-breaker is not honourable, police are allowed to lie).
A ´Copinal´ is:
3. ´A bent police officer, not only bent but one who is also uppity, in
other words a lousy servant, a tyrant.
A ´Copinal´ is:
4. ´A police officer who is ready to do you the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN
violence ´just because he feels like it´.
A ´Copinal´ is:
5. A police officer who meddles in YOUR LAWFUL BUSINESS AND
LAWFUL DAILY ACTIVITIES (a ´Copinal´ busy-body).
A ´Copinal´ is:
6. ´A wive beater (male), a feminist (female) who takes his/her frustration
and anger out on the public.
He/she knows there are limits to how many times he/she can assault and
batter his own wive/partner and his/her kids in a week´s time, so he/she
takes his sadism out on the innocent public to get "relief"´.
A ´Copinal´ is:
7. ´A cowardly weasel/hyena who hides behind a badge a gun and
his buddies and has learned just enough self-defense tactics in the
police academy to do harm to the innocent public which he loathes
and which he blames for his cowardliness and lack of manhood´.
And "COPINAL" ("bent") can mean ´PSYCHO´, ´UPPITY´, ´TYRANT´,
´CROOKED´, ´SADIST´, ´GASLIGHTER´, ´LIAR´ and much more.
When someone ´phones the police up, the one that gets ´phoned on is A£WAY$
in the wrong and gets harassed by the police and gets his rights trampled on !
It doesn´t matter what the innocent law-abiding civilian say or how much law he
knows and tells them, he might as well be talking to a wall, the one that ´phones
them up is A£WAY$ right and gets treated with utter courtesy and politeness, the
innocent law-abiding civilian gets threatened with arrest and even bodily injury.
THE POLICE ARE THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF THE PUBLIC !
They do NOT care or give a sh!t about the law or your rights !
P.S. Police even punish the innocent law-abiding civilian for knowing his rights and for
possessing knowledge of the law. Their retaliation against the innocent law-abiding
civilian stems mostly from ignorance and stupidity and take note there is a difference
between being ignorant and stupid but most police officers are both so you cain´t win
with them, might as well be talking to a brick-wall !
“The more of laws and restrictions there are, the poorer the people become.
The more there is of rules and regulations, the more of thieves and robbers.”
-Lao Tzu, "Tao Te Ching"
“The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.”
-Lao Tzu, "Tao Te Ching"
The Supreme Court in the U.S. ruled that it's not illegal for police and detectives to lie about having evidence in an interrogation. Total bullshit if you ask me.
1 like@MadMrMatterthe guy predicted those 200k pandemic deaths months before US reached it.
2 likesGood for Michael, he deserves every penny for false arrest. Now, when asked on a job application if he was ever arrested, he will have to say 'yes', plus all the mental aggravation in the future that goes with it.
1 likeThat's because cops are liars. They lie for a living. It's part of their job description.
1 like@[LFA] bzRacing And what's really ironic?? It's white people are mainly making this claim!
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight triggered so much they sent trump packing.
1 likeme when playing LA noir
0 likesThey say that as a way to intimidate them. Just like repeatedly calling someone a liar over and over until they finally admit.
2 likesWow, you're intelligent for pointing that out
0 likesAll I can say is that must have worked quite a lot for him on guilty people for him to do it so blatantly. 100% cant work on someone innocent
0 likesOh wow, you've also watched the video that's incredible.
1 like@Usama Khurshid Its illegal here in germany and people still get falsely convicted. So i dont even want to know how many people are innocent in other countries.
1 like@WantedNOMAD They should have been fired.
0 likesand 'the TRUTH is paramouth.' YEAH RIGHT! XD
1 likeThey are allowed to lie as much as they want to u
0 likes@Dr Drift King99 ofc it has less total deaths than the flu. COVID-19 has been around for about a year now and the flue has been here since like before counting bruh
1 like@Dr Drift King99 yes trump has to do with it because he is literally downplaying it almost like ignoring it of course he’s not gonna be able to get everyone to wear masks but he’s the PRESIDENT of the United States bruh you are acting like he doesn’t have any influence and not only that but this virus is still a virus and is still killing people and the financial impact and emotional impact of it is devastating also.
0 likes@Usama Khurshid yes but those detectives have good evidence in the first place, this guy is just accusing him.
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight LMAO you triggered so many people
0 likes" We found your traces of DNA on the scene "
0 likesLiterally you weren't even ever there to begin with
Butterscotch telly
0 likesOfficer: “I have conclusive evidence you’re guilty”
0 likesSuspect: "Great, show it on court. See you tomorrow morning."
Officer: makes everything up and has no evidence "Fuck."
.....*doubt*
0 likes@Sherman sheepherda This comment has certainly aged well!
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight
3 likesi know you must be thinking You're Very Smart
and i won't judge that since i don't live in america
but i gotta say as an overseas viewer we see trump as a very stupid president
the fact that he's trying so hard just to get his power back by making people resort to violence is very very questionable
That's what they tend to say when they have no evidence against someone.
0 likes@AliasUndercover well it’s actually smart to act like you have evidence.
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight literally triggered no one
2 likes@JayMac so he accidentally did one thing right because he indeed is racist so banned China travel before any non racist would have which accidentally turned into the right move
2 likes@michael edwards are you dense?
0 likesthere was a virus out of China, so he banned travel from China. where tf is the racism?
0 likesSounds like the george floyd trial
0 likesInterestingly enough, police are absolutely allowed to lie to you. Especially if they can get a confession.
0 likesIf it's not, it should be illegal for the police to lie and falsely fabricate information, under the guise of getting an admission of guilt. There's so many shitbag officers out there that I've seen conduct themselves just like the guy in this video, very sad this what citizens have to deal with.
0 likes@zeranzeran its gets a false confession from innocent people
1 like@ItWasNeverARight Snowflakes? Trump is not truthful
0 likesAnd how are they able to keep him in jail for 3 and a half days based on that non evidence?! It’s fucking ridiculous and a complete violation of human rights. Fucking gross.
0 likes@Usama Khurshid Yeah, some people can’t read through their bullshit. I mean if a officer is telling you “Your guilty, your going to jail for this.” That’s scary. Weak minded people will trust police and make a false confession.
0 likes@Sherman sheepherda aged like milk
0 likes“Sure Jan”
0 likesI believe its a tactic to try and make a person confess.
0 likes😂
0 likes@Mister No Nonsense Sounds like you're regurgitating what the fake news wants you to believe. In the 70s Joe Biden supported and pushed for segregation in schools because and I quote, "I don't want to create a racial jungle."
0 likesHe ran for president in the 80s but had to stand down after getting caught plagerizing, something he still does to this day. The man can't even have a coherent conversation without getting hopped up on drugs, which we witnessed in the first presidential debate.
He's been showing symptoms of dementia, his vice president does all the heavy lifting for him, and he's signed more executive orders then any other president. Dictators rule by executive order, not American presidents.
When Joe was vice president, he called Obama "a very clean and articulate African American." Biden is an enigma of himself, he's been known to be extremely racist, you just have to look at it.
Please don't believe everything the media tells you, they're not you're friend. They've turned the American people against each other, and if a civil war starts they'll be the ones to blame.
@Usama Khurshid The thing is, that there are plenty of nations, that do not allow the police to lie, and they do not seem to have lower clearing rates.
0 likesI would suggest, that the expedient of allowing the police to lie during interrogation, has more to do with the cost/benefit ratio of confession-based plea bargains, than with the necessity of this tactic in ensuring convictions.
The thing is; if you don't have enough evidence to convict, then how can you be sure, that the suspect is, in fact, guilty? And the suggestion that there is incriminating evidence, will be equally terrifying to an innocent, as to a guilty person. In a system that loves to throw big numbers at sentencing, the possibility of a certain, but limited sentence, can be a very compelling option.
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight hot take for a man who's username means hands
1 like@Jonathan A.C. he told people that drinking bleach cures u how is that not lying
0 likes@guymanhumanperson
0 likesNo he did not, he’s never said that drinking bleach is a cure to that.
@ItWasNeverARight snowflakes = smart and informed now, i guess?
1 like"K then show it nerd"
0 likesThat's why I would have a lawyer there from the first second. At least he got compensated and the ass of the detective punished.
0 likesThat detective if married probably has a wife that forbids him from playing poker lol
0 likesDude I’m an introvert and I would be yelling at this man to show me the video
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight *gets disproven. ok I guess it’s time to just say “triggered snowflakes” because I don’t have anything backing up my claim
0 likesHe did real bad at it. The cop that is. It probably would’ve gone vetter and went well it he executed it better
0 likes@MadMrMatter Let's assume that their numbers are correct, currently 33.4 million people have been confirmed as having had it in the US (that is counting both the truly and false positive results), deaths attributed to it are currently 597K (that's counting everyone who died who tested positive with both real and false positive results, even when they died of gunshot, car accident, murder, suicide, if they tested positive, covid caused it), that means the mortality rate is, according to their numbers, only a .01788 (less than 2%) mortality rate. If we factor in the fearmongering, blatant dishonesty, and political agenda of the mass media and the politicians and government organizations that control it, it's a safe guess that most of those numbers are fabricated. Our only reliable means of collecting data is empirically, you know, seen with your own eyes. Out of the couple thousand people I've interacted with personally since this (rewrote the definition so we could call it a pandemic) "pandemic" started, I've met maybe a dozen or so people who've said they had it, and known 3 people who died supposedly from covid (one heart attack, one suicide, and one had stage 4 lymphoma), all 3 of whom died without any covid symptoms, but tested tested positive post-mortem so it had to be what killed them, right? Oh, and nobody was saying trump was the arbiter of truth, that's a straw man fallacy you're tossing out there. But, based on the evidence at hand, downplaying covid was one of trumps brighter moments, too bad not enough people listened. (btw, the democrats continued to "downplay" covid for a few weeks after trump stopped, and then condemned him for 'going too far' with his covid measures, but I see you've conveniently forgotten that, if you even knew it then and aren't just parroting what some other moron told you)
0 likes@ItWasNeverARight Funny how you label people who disagree with you as "snowflakes".
1 like@ItWasNeverARight no??????????? mans is homophobic (CLEARLY) and has over 47 accusations. no one can get that many if their innocent and there is a lot of evidence he’s a racist as well!!! it’s called google <3
0 likes"I have conclusive evidence"
0 likesshows attorney badge
Well it is enough to draw that conclusion, its not the 1900's anymore and we have made such huge advancements in judgement and assumptions
0 likesNice, makes me happy to hear those officers were demoted and suspended without pay.
0 likesGood for Micheal man. Good ending for a seemingly good guy
1 likeThat ending is what I wish to hear every time this happens
0 likesThat was the most horrible interviewer I have ever heard. What a piece of work, that guy.
0 likesI'm glad he was demoted, though I feel he should have been fired.
Been through this. Falsely accused, arrested, in jail, & facing a felony. This is one of the worst feelings in the world hands down, seeing someone else face it genuinely hurts me. The trauma of fighting the case for months in fear for my life, knowing that other people have to go through this too hurts deep.
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I'm so sorry for what you went through. I was a suspect once, but after the first interrogation I was "demoted" to a witness, even though I was kind of a victim myself. Went to the station 3 times and had to miss high school for this. Being a minor probably played a big role for not being criminalized (at least one of my parents had to be present at the interrogation, or a lawyer). The first letter I got with my name on it as a "suspect" kinda broke my soul.
52 likes@Kovadamt i was high on dxm at the time i was first detained, and accused of aiding and abetting with my friend because he got out of my car and against my knowledge kicked the door of a business in. I remember crying at one point to the officer because he charged me with attempted burglary which is a felony, i am 17. i didnt have my parents and didnt understand what was going on, they continued to believe that i knew what was happening the whole time he tried to break in. Now i have court today for a felony that i didnt know about and was interrogated high out of my mind without my parents there, all for my 17 birthday
23 likes@BeanZucked Hey it's none of my business, but if you want to keep me up-to-date on what happens, I'd like to hear what turns out. Also @Kovadamt, I'm glad you made it through unscathed, a lot of people aren't as lucky as us.
12 likes@BeanZucked hang in there i hope the truth comes out budd):
3 likesone of my worst fucking fears, heard too many bad things about the police and zealosy about them trying to get a confession to close a case instead of trying to find the truth.
4 likes@BeanZucked I'm just leaving this just in case
2 likes@BeanZucked man that's sucks
1 likeholy shit dude, I feel so bad for u. Hope ur alright now
1 like@nyuki187 that's scary
1 likeI'm very sorry for went you went through. False accusations boil my blood, and it's one of my worst fears to be falsely accused. I genuinely hope for healing from all the trauma you went through. This world is disgusting.
2 likesHonestly it's fucked, it should be innocent until proven guilty
0 likesmy father was once held at gunpoint because he “looked like someone” when he was coming home from the store. Terrifying shit dude
0 likes@BeanZucked that's crazy because the exact same thing basically happened to me. Was told I was gonna hang out with some friends, got into the car, took some xanax and alcohol, od'ed while my "friends" decided to do kick doors. The bright side is if they weren't caught I would have been dead in the car. Now I have 4 felonies and got totally fucked by the court system. The man who planned it all in the car? He got 3 years probation. I got 10 years deferred.
2 likesI'd make them pick me up when they want me to get out of my cell I would make they're lives hell
0 likes@Shady P your right I never will be they're lol
0 likes@geoff lol you sure? I said the same thing. Ended up going for something I never did. You never know what life throws your way.
0 likes@Shady P true!
0 likesMore love to you man no HOMO
0 likesSure you did
0 likesI once got called in for questioning about a crime my brother and his friends committed. I was working at the time but had hung out with them the night before. Well these cops are absolutely jerks to me kept insisting I knew things that I was not telling, even did the little good cop bad cop routine. It was ridiculous. I cannot even imagine what you must have went through.
1 like@nyuki187 Why is it one of your worst fears? Do you fear going out of the house everyday and it weighs on you? For what reason. Cause you “heard” it. Enough of this drama. You an upstanding citizen, you have no reason to get harassed by police. If it happened, it sucks (which happened to me when I was younger by some street cops) but I don’t think about it. Move on.
0 likesNEVER TALK TO THE COPS WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER PRESENT. PERIOD.
0 likesThe wave of relief I felt when he said "days" and not "years"after the number 3
0 likesThe hell I would raise after I got out of there, good on him for keeping composure
0 likesI don't love feeding stereotypes but when you see these things it really feels like Americans racism is beyond any level of decent civility
0 likesThe Ontario police department should definitely look into that interrogator’s past cases
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It’s not Ontario. It’s Hamilton.... terrible city
119 likesThey won’t
56 likesLOOOOL , KIND OF FUXKED UP LOL
7 likes@jenice weh He was demoted
30 likes@Alicia Myers whassup doe shawty
1 likeSimon André sounds about expected
3 likesIt happens all over the world they don't truly care about innocence or guilt they care about getting a prosecution and another notch on the belt
22 likes@Ricky Kasso when I was a young and naive 18 year old I had to go to court on a bullshit charge and I could not and would not have believed the lies that the police told under oath it actually shocked me , the judge actually said he did not believe most of what the police said but because it was the police word against mine (even though he did not believe them) he had to go with the police so I was convicted.
16 likesNo one can tell me its just a few bad apples, It is mainly bad apples with maybe a few good ones
Alicia Myers spent my youth there, agree 100%
1 like@Shawnee Vee Hooooow exactly?
0 likes@Alicia Myers LOL but I mean Hamilton is in Ontario and honestly, Ontario does have a lot of terrible cities tho. Not just Hamilton
0 likes@I'll demo in a bit he wasnt doing his job.by any stretch of the imagination. He was trying to bag a racist no evidence plea deal. Eyewitness description of the perp was a short white male.
3 likesThis is racism
Fk da police
2 likesFeel Lucky Punk Is The Laws Nowadays...
0 likes@David nowhere Can't presonally speak for police, but my first-hand experience with being an introverted, naive and honest (to a fault) guy in the military was that the bad apples operate much the same way as a mob. They will attack and try to control anyone who opposes them to protect themselves by any means. Up to, and including murder of their fellow cop. Far more of them than we would believe are Judge Dredd wannabes.
3 likesThe original meaning behind the bad apples analogy that is forgotten is that the bad apples spoil the entire bag if they are left amongst the good apples. This is what I saw in the military and what we all see in today's policing. The bad apples either spoil the good or the good leave, like me, because they cannot abide being surrounded by amoral people. I tried to be a moral compass to some, but was only seen, at best, as a naive fool for my views.
Especially the ones with black ppl
0 likesHamilton is a notoriously corrupt city in Ontario, it is infested with Mafia and has been for 100 years.
2 likes@Ricky Kasso This isn't even the tip of the iceburg. Look up "starlight tours." In the winter, RCMP have driven First Nations men out of town and abandoned them, often without clothes, to freeze to death.
1 like@Simon André Yes, but someone could be wrongly sitting in jail because of him.
0 likes@Stay EZ My Friends Wow, did a quick google and you are correct. A mob boss was killed there in broad daylight THIS YEAR. Canada is very good at selling an image of themselves as a "better, less racist USA," but it's the same shit everywhere I've been in this world.
2 likes@Ryan Waege Canada is not as "polite and friendly" as a lot of people like to promote. There are whole cities here that are just plain out filthy and dangerous. Shit Toronto is Canadas New York if not worse at some times.
3 likes@Ryan Waege I live 20 minutes from hamilton. My kids used to go to a place where I had to drive right through the neighbourhood of those mobsters.
0 likesIts trash.
@Dun Duddy I've been to NYC and Toronto is way worse.
1 like@Ryan Waege to give you an idea of how superficial our "politeness" is, we actually have legislation in Ontario who's sole purpose is to say that saying "sorry" doesnt mean the person is actually sorry, it's just a cultural phenomenon.
1 likehttps://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/s09003
@Stay EZ My Friends Holy deja vu! I was working in an artist friend's booth at the Eaux Claires festival in WI years back and a Canadian couple told us they were so suprised that everyone was so nice.
1 like@Stay EZ My Friends Sigh, I had so much hope for this world as a kid watching the Iron Curtain crumble.
1 likeFor your kids and everyone else's, I will continue to hope for a better day.
@Ryan Waege meh theres always been garbage in the world. Find the gems and hold on to them and enjoy them in spite of the garbage.
2 likes@John Ellis 💯 east van is fucked. When I lived out west we use to call "the walk" of someone all junked out as the east hastings shuffle.
0 likes@Alicia Myers I know , what is wrong with that city?
0 likes@thebaddog410 yes but it was the HAMILTON police department not the OPP dumb dumb lol
0 likes@Ryan Waege i was working just a few blocks away in waterdown when angelo musitano was shot at his house and then his brother pat was shot this year down the street from my home in burlington. bikers and mafia have always run hamilton unfortunately! i grew up in the shitty north end of hamilton so ive seen my share lol
0 likes@thebaddog410 questioning others intelligence due to your lack there of, is not a good look lmao.
0 likesthats canada thats justine trudumb that love CCP. the CCP has been kidnapping blacks for years only in china they dont get out
1 like@Dylan M I’m British what the fuck do I know about Canadian police
0 likes@Ever So British i know i know lol i was defending you and the person correcting you lol
0 likes@Dylan M I know lol
1 likeWrongfully imprisoned?! Those detectives should face prison time 10 years minimum sentencing no parole
0 likesSadly, taxpayers footed the bill for this incompetence and malicious investigation. Cops need to be fired, DA needs to be replaced.
0 likesIs it completely legal for the "investigators" to lie about evidence?
0 likes5:20 I would’ve freaked out. I could not be lied about like that. That’s one thing I always say I HATE since I was little LIARS. I’d go crazy.
0 likesMy heart breaks watching the ginger bearded guy's interrogation, I can feel the anger of being powerless to prove your own innocence. What he said about doing his best to get his life back on the right track really hurt knowing that he'd waste another 2 years to a false allegation.
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not to mention the interrogators take nothing of what he says into account and proceeds to outright declare he was the guilty party.
184 likesDidn't they say that during the process the witness was questioned and declared untrustworthy? If so, how was he in jail for 2 years if the process was in progress? I apologize If I misunderstood, english is not my first language.
36 likesthe subtlety is that he's not angry, he's wildly upset. an honest person accused of lying becomes upset with accusations; a dishonest sociopath becomes angry with the person doing the accusations. the dishonest sociopath believes the display of anger is comparable to being perturbed. its a subtlety i learned handling more than a few compulsive liars in my personal life
60 likes@Snarl616 that is exactly right. My guess is that they overlooked in to hurry the trial, or decided it was untrustworthy afterwards.
5 likesThts rough
1 like@Christopher Guy And he probably won't get a penny only because he was incarcerated before. This is crazy.
11 likes@Snarl616 He was afraid of going to jail for 2 years in that moment knowing fully that he was innocent yet had no way other than what he had said to prove it. He should have sued them.
15 likes@TheJustinShowAndCo My problem is I am calm under most circumstances. I would be suspicious to most detectives since I have a hard time responding like a "normal" person. I have experienced much in my life and that gives me an uneasy calm. Plus not to mention my memory under pressure sucks due to a past concussion. Hopefully it never happens to me.
16 likes@Nathan H the only solution whether guilty or not guilty is to not talk and get a lawyer. The only thing I would ever do in a situation like this is claim my innocence, request my lawyer, and make it clear (only once) that I am exercising my right to remain silent. I would not crack under pressure to speak. I would not respond to any requests, questions, intimidations etc.
11 likesHe spent 2 years in jail for a previous conviction not this one if you listen closely. The narrator says 3 Years in prison but corrects himself with text. I could be wrong though.
4 likesHope he got at least $1,000,000 in settlement and those "detectives" had their asses nailed to the wall. The $1,000,000 won't bring back those 2 years lost but he definitely needs some sort of significant compensation for what he went through.
5 likes@Snarl616
2 likesI assume it took that long to go to trial. He must have been denied bail.
@pupeluv No. He did not server 2 years. The person @Snarl616 was responding to is pointing out something the ginger guy said which was that he spent 2 years (I presume the commenter heard in the video), trying to clean his life up to be threatened of being jailed for something he didn't do.
1 likeWhat confuses me is that, the ginger bearded guy breaks your heart because the police actually had several elements to see him as a suspect such as a complaint from two people describing and naming him and previous convictions while the first guy didn't even fit the description in the slightest and he should have been let free on the spot after asking the busdriver where he got on the bus.
4 likes@Indigenous Unite Are you trying to guilt trip someone that expressed how they felt in a non-toxic way on line? What if he felt just as bad about the other guy and just felt like only sharing about the ginger? I personally think comments like yours are so irrelevant and invite uneccessary negativity to digital platforms.
5 likes@Bradley welch yup, that's exactly what I'm doing. Some people call that.addimg perspective.
0 likes@Indigenous Unite And starting a fire my brother.
0 likes@Snarl616 it probably took 2 years for the witness to be declared untrustworthy. it definitely would not have happened right away. there would have been an appeal process and a whole bureacracy, that is severely backlogged with pending cases of more violent crimes, and have no obligation to rush an appeal through the system. 2 years sounds about right. its fucked up.
4 likes@Snarl616 He spent 2 years in prison in his early twenties. That must have been before. He said he used to be a piece of shit but he is changed now and stays out of trouble.
1 likeThank everybody for the kind answers, I think @Kylie Irvine gave me the best one.
2 likesWhat upsets me the most is that at 13:30 you can see that the interrogator poses a trick question about "Candy", despite the bearded guy said something completely different. They were trying to break an innocent guy. And trust me: that treatment makes you feel like you were raped.
Happened to me once: I never was in trouble with the law, one evening I went buying cigarettes, and in a hurry I parked my car badly, but not THAT badly. Some cops checked my documents and I thought "Ok, that's a warning, next time I'll be fined, I understand", except they asked absolutely every paperwork to find issues (they didn't find any), and meanwhile they were repeatedly asking contradictory questions, trying to confuse me like I was high or drunk.
I later understood that those cops were new in town and came from a city with some drugs problems (we didn't have them in my town). I felt like I was pissed on for days.
@Indigenous Unite Ah in that case for persepctive; much worse has been done to much less deserving people so really none of this is that bad at all. That kind of perspective?
0 likes@Purplefood nope I've never said that what happened to the ginger bearded isn't bad. All I said that it's telling that someone comments feeling bad for the white guy without mentioning the black guy at all. Both are cases of injustice but I find it telling that someone just feels bad for the white guy without even mentioning or acknowledging the immense injustice that's done to the black guy as well.
0 likes@Indigenous Unite Perhaps it has something to do with the fact one dude spent 3 days behind bars while the other spent 2 years in jail. I dunno maybe the severity matters to some people.
2 likes@Purplefood the other dude spent two years in jail earlier in his life for an event he was guilty off.
0 likes@TheJustinShowAndCo Very good point! It's a subtle but nevertheless noticeable difference. If an experience detective couldn't pick that out even though you (I assume a non-detective) did, speaks volumes about how inept or biased these detectives are.
0 likesThats why you never say anything without a lawyer. First mistake is thinking you can talk your way out of it.
0 likesim literally crying everytime i see it. i was in a similar scenario and i was heart
0 likesThat is why you never talk to the police guilty or innocent. Invoking your right to legal council shouldn’t be incriminating, but it is seen as such by detectives. Nothing you say to the cops to help your case wether you are guilty or innocent will be used to help you because it is considered hearsay. On the flip side anything incriminating you say wether unintentional or not will be used to hang you. It’s that simple never talk to the police without a lawyer present.
0 likesThat's American business system right there. Private companies have made billions from enslavement through our prison system I'm guessing the war on drugs has made easier it for these companies to control our lives.
0 likes@TheJustinShowAndCo Damn, this clicks for me. Looking back from experience, the real liars would get angry at the person making the accusations rather than the accusations itself. I will keep this in mind moving forward.
1 likeSickening how some people just look to keep others down. Its is one thing if you can prove they did it and if they are the kind of person who repeatedly offends and don’t actually care about trying to mend their ways but to go after people who try to get it right after their first screw up... those kind of people sicken me. Just make something up and blame the guy who already has a bad rap... that probably happens more often than we know and it’s wrong.
0 likesI wish they gave his last name so I could look him up.
0 likes@Nathan H ditto on the calm. Terrible short term memory. Liable to misremember things because the brain works overtime to put together the pieces.
0 likesHopefully he sued their asses off !
0 likes@TheJustinShowAndCo Actually the rule is don't say a word to cops. Lawyer up immediately. Anything you say can only be used against you. it is a rigged adversarial system. The police are not on your side, and they are not your friends. They are power mongers and usually incompetent. Why the fuck we give them so much power in our society is beyond me.
0 likes@Tropin it’s important to make a clear statement that you choose to exercise your right to remain silent before remaining silent
0 likesThe cops.are probably colorblind. This is usually reserved for blacks.
0 likesyeah, I'm pretty sure I would have acted similarly too
0 likesAccording to victims.Ca.gov “In 2000, the law was amended to allow compensation of $100 for each day served in prison after the conviction with no maximum amount. In 2016, the law was again amended to change the compensation rate to $140 per day for each day of incarceration served, including pre-conviction time spent in custody.”
0 likesI was about to lose my faith in Canada but the end was satisfying
0 likesAs for the other guy the viking bearded one , just wow may God help him
I’ve heard these interrogators use the “it’s not a question of wether u did it, I’m trying to find out if ur a cold blooded serial killer or if your remorseful” but changed the words around and he almost said serial killer
0 likes11:20 well said, but as my grand father says "kill them with kindness"
0 likes“I understand the process but I’m not satisfied with it” is so polite I’m dying
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That's Canada for you.
205 likesSo Canadian
411 likesI would probably insult the investigator passively if they started lying like he did here, well actually when he said "we have you on camera" i would start laughing
430 likes@Jimmy Zhao and the fact that all detectives involved got demoted and suspended without pay... that sounds like fucking dreamland...
385 likesIn the US they would've killed that poor man based on skin pigmentation and then awarded a 3 month paid vacation for the act
And then he thanks him!
36 likes@Daynja1 lmao that was the best "thanks... I guess?" which to me just screams confidence in innocence.
137 likesMhmm. Hi
1 likeIkr
0 likes@Vanilla Annihilation I liked how he started with "The evidence i have is frankly conclusive and overwhelming"
162 likesWell hell, what are we sitting in here for then !? you just wrapped it up in 3 seconds.
That guy didn't need suspension/demotion. He needed to be fired, and never be considered for any kind of place in law or justice ever again.
@ᛏᚤᚱᚠᛁᚾᚷᚱ I used to be like the guy in the video, trying to help the cop in the investigation and everything, but seeing they are out to get you is so annoying it becomes funny.
25 likesNick Tapalan plenty of times I forget his name but there was 1 kid that was walking on the street cops was chasing another guy lost him they ran into the innocent kid and shot him in the back of the head killing him and none of the cops got charged
16 likesNick Tapalan also there’s one that happened a few years ago black man was protecting a white mentality challenged kid someone called the police on them police showed up guns draw on the kid the black was telling the cops he had a learning disability and to not shoot black dude was laying on the ground with his hands up and the cops shot him while he was on the ground trial just ended and the cops got off claiming self defense or some bs there is video of it too
17 likes@Cokeforsale The term "Stranger than fiction" was one of those genius phrases that applies perfectly to cases such as that. Most people don't get upset because the brain just don't register that level of strangeness; often resulting in people going "No way!" and after a considerable pause they add "You're full of shit!" as well.
7 likes@Vanilla Annihilation I have this weird thing when people expect certain reactions from me that I myself am not aligned with...I start to crack a smile, or even laugh. Like, if people want me to take them seriously, or if I'm expected to respond in a serious way, I often smile because some part of me doesn't want to follow what's being asked. And if I KNOW the person is bullshitting, that's even worse. Not trying to sound edgy, I acknowledge it's odd. The point is, I'd probably be a smiley mess if I were in this situation, and idk if that would make me more or less suspicious.
7 likes@Kurly Kayla Depends a lot of the persona you try to pull off, im very afraid of being perceived as mentally weak so when I can't rationalize with someone I'm talking to because they project superiority i project annoyance, lack of reaction or laugh at them; this is pretty masculine and sometimes threatening if you pull it off, you're antagonizing the cop and while this behavior is common among male friends being confronted this way by a stranger with whom you've never interacted before might make the suspect seem unstable.
6 likes@Nick Tapalan look up Daniel Shaver.
3 likesa cop shot him with an automatic weapon at close range while daniel was crawling towards him, it was a pure execution.
long story short, the judge said the cop was innocent and awarded him a 30.000$ lifetime pension (the cop was 28 at the time). ridiculous
@Kurly Kayla I get a very similar thing when im put in situations that make me nervous, i kind of smirk or giggle because in my mind im in disbelief and going "is this shit really happening to me?". I got held up at knife point at a trainstation a few years ago and my instant response was to smirk and briefly giggled at the guy, i had no control over the response, thankfully the would-be mugger just walked away, im guessing he figured i was too much effort because i didn't appear scared or startled.(Which wasn't true at all, i was terrified i was about to get stabbed) Thankfully that time it went in my favour.... but i do worry that it might accidently get me in more trouble one day.
5 likes@Hashiriya*Style I'm glad I'm not alone in this. I smile like that too when in situations I think are absurd. Like if someone is blowing up at me, or if I can see they're being unreasonable, or if it feels like I'm in some sort of scripted movie, that's when the smiles start. I totally get you. Glad nothing happened from that mugging situation. I hope you stay as safe as possible in the meantime!
2 likes@Jimmy Zhao I see it as more 'a rational, analytical person' - not 'a Canadian'. Note - I'm not Canadian, but I'd respond in much the same way
0 likes@Jimmy Zhao You might be wrong, though. I havent heard any "sorry' or apologies first haha
1 like@Beowulf no
0 likesIt's also stupid, understand literally means to be satisfied with and in agreement with. It doesn't mean comprehend.
0 likesI’m Canadian and for the most part people here are polite but become passive aggressive if offended 😆 the “no disrespect to you” just resonated with me.
2 likes@Leon scroll up
0 likes@schmuel HAHAHAHA you’re funny
0 likes@Beowulf Not really, I know so many rude fellow Canadians
0 likes@Theta Memes & Tips That’s a slap on the wrist. They should be in jail.
1 like@Ruby Rose thats abusive and not polite so they're rude
0 likes😂
0 likes@Theta Memes & Tips no but Commies want you to think that
0 likes@Theta Memes & Tips it's more of a class issue. A wealthy person of any race would get off
0 likesI recognise your name and photo from somewhere. I'm thinking.... Does the phrase "ooooooOoOoOh chimpanzee that?!" mean anything to you?
0 likesRight? He is one of the most polite and calm person I've ever seen. I would have reacted wayyy differently.
1 like@feelthejoy he could be your brother Steve 👽 I had a feeling it was XFM videos. Nice to see you out in the wild here 🤠
0 likeshe souds like hes displeased that the ice cream machine isn't working
0 likesBruh I scrolled down to this and as I started reading this he said it 🤯
0 likesHe even says thank you after the pig told him he’s being booked im jail
1 like@ Vanilla Annihilation
0 likesThis wasn’t the case but it could have been possible that the real suspect was someone who liked similar, expecially in a camera. So I would be nervous for that reason and not laughing. For us since we know it’s absurd what the police did.
I don't know how he remained so calm! I would have been all fired up and yelling! lol
0 likesyou dont understand, if you break the will destroy you
0 likesomg do you want me to call an ambulance for you?!
0 likesThe most polite way of saying “this is complete bullshit”
0 likesI went to prison for 2-years for being in a swimming pool with my dog, drunk, after hours. Burglary With Intent To Steal Pool Water. They had my swimming shorts as evidence. When they brought me to court on the elevator, the officer stepped out first, turned and said "OK everyone out of the pool", unfortunately for him the judge was within ear-shot and heard him. "Officer, in my chambers now". So where did I spend 18 months serving 'prison time'? I was sent to a work camp to do logging and deforestation, situated on the shores of The Chain Of Lakes!!! Every guard there had to have their fun to ask me if I was stealing any lake water.
0 likesIf I knew I did nothing, my only response to any question would be "Lawyer."
1 likeAnything you say can, and will be misquoted and used against you.
2 likesNever talk to the police especially if you're innocent. Listen the way that fool detective is talking to him. I can't even watch this makes me so mad
1 like"If you didn't do it why are you being so defensive?" My dad asked me this one time when my step-mom found weed (which is illegal in my state) in my sisters room. My step-mom somehow didn't communicate that it was in my sisters room and not mine therefore I was sat down, humiliated in front of my family, and yelled at until 10-15 minutes later my step-mom told my dad that it wasn't found in my room. It's honestly one of the most frustrating thing in the world to be sat down and accused of things you can't defend yourself against because someone has already made up their mind about you.
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How tf did the weed get into your sisters room
118 likes@Sir Thomas Rodrick III she bought it from her friends
470 likesOh.
33 likes@Ash Yeah i wanna know what cherio asked aswell
60 likes@CheerioHerio he didn’t even apologize, he just b-lined it to my sister when she had gotten home from a friends house.
407 likes@Ash Jeez really? I’m so sorry you had to deal with that.
192 likesWhy am I being so defensive? Maybe because you're attacking me?
331 likes@RobMacKendrick I’m attacking you because you’re being defensive about my attacks! You’re supposed to lay down and take it!
253 likessounds like something my dad would do
19 likesSo sorry that happened to you
9 likesThat's too bad man... weed is awesome
6 likesYou shouldn't have hidden your weed in your sisters room!
12 likes@Rhett Baldwin A UFO beamed it down into her room
63 likesDang sounds like being a conservative in 2020
4 likesOne day when i was in 4th grade another 4th grader beaten up as hell and with a broken arm came in with the director during the class and was pointing his finger at me, i got confused and didnt speak very well german at this time (we came 1 year before from russia). So i had to go with them and my Grandmother had to come to school, they asked me which way i went after school, 4 days ago. After leavig the school there were a left and right path, me and my friends changed the paths cause we were playing or going to a gaming store. So i remembered it was the right path, they said the guy was beaten up on the left path, so they asked 1 of my friends and he said it was the LEFT ONE! So they didnt believe me and suspendet me from the school. My whole family gave me the "you are destroying your and the other guys life, how dare you to do such a thing" look and they had a lot to say.... (except for my mother). While looking for a new school, almost 2 weeks later, the director called and apologized and told they found the real guy.
62 likesThe other guy looked like me, short hair, almost the same build, but obviously not the same face. (And not Russian)
The guy who got beaten up couldnt really remember the face, they only found him cause he came up during a break and wanted his money and his lunchbox.
My friend didnt know how important it was to remember the path we went home and just said something.....
I feel you mate, the frustration was real here aswell.
That's society for you
4 likes@Sir Thomas Rodrick III How else would it get there, Sherlock?
1 like@Lightning Only Comments Once idk that's why I'm asking
1 likeIf there's one thing i've learned from poeple who've already made up their minds, it's that it's futile trying to convince them of the facts. You can bring out an entire probability chart with data sheets and video evidence that exonerates you and they still won't give a shit, but the same thing coming from someone else has them change their mind.
26 likesThe best way to teach them a lesson is to not take their shit and be aggressive back. It pisses them off, but when the truth finally comes out, they learn that they were in the wrong and usually become submissive from guilt. Oh, and don't forgive them either; let them learn and never trust them until they prove themselves as a way for it to never happen again. If that person, even a parent, was being an asshole for no reason, be an asshole back because not only do you have justification and they don't, but because once they learn this they can't say anything back. Unless they explicitly do something to make up, be hostile. Don't let them slip it under the rug so that they can make the same mistake again. That's a lesson i wish i knew much sooner.
@Crethan21 sounds like my brother too.
0 likes@joshua kim That is so true
0 likesStepsister you say? Wink wink
1 like@Nickita Doronin he didn't say step sister lmao
0 likesI'm a cashier and my job often accuses me of taking money out of the drawer like I'm stealing. You know how annoying it is to be accused of stealing from your job just because you're handling money all day? I mean for fucks sake the job includes free gas, why would I risk stealing a few bucks here and there when I get free gas?
11 likes@Spartacus Smith free gas that is great so yeah and payment that's the opposite of a shity job u need to steal
0 likesWhat a sister taking the fall for you.
0 likesdude i have a similar story. when my sister used to come home from college, she would stay in my room and i would sleep on the couch. well one day she had some friends over, and one of them must’ve left a vape in my room (i’ve never seen one nor have I ever smoked one, even to this day i haven’t tried) and she called me into her room and asked me what it was. i played with it for a second thinking it was an EpiPen or a lead holder for a pencil. she then went to accuse me of being someone who smokes, and obviously i denied it and was frustrated that i was being accused of such things.
11 likes@Sir Thomas Rodrick III I keep my weed in my sister's room so I don't get yelled at.
1 like@fenrir dies lmfao this is so true.
0 likes@Rhett Baldwin i think a UFO beamed it down to her room.
0 likesthats how you know your parents have a favorite
2 likes@a ah yes
0 likesI AGREE SO MUCH WITH YOU IT EVEN MAKES ME MAD
0 likesi have a similar situation except it was at school and i was with my friend and he asked this random kid (idk for what reason) if he was white and the kid just ignored him and kept walking. Later after school we were walking home together and the kids mom followed us in her car and started yelling at us saying we were harrassing her son even tho my friend just asked him one question. We were just ignoring most of the things she was saying and tried to keep walking and i guess she went down to the school and reported us. The next day we were called in the office and the assistant principal of the school said she had us on multiple cameras following and pushing the kid. She said she had us on cameras in places we weren’t even close to and when we asked her to show us the videos she said she couldn’t because it was “confidential”. She even called my dad right infront of my face lying to him about everything and there was nothing i could do i felt helpless. She continued to say she had us on camera and we both got suspended for a week for bullying all because my friend asked a random kid if he was white 💀🤦♂️
5 likesI had a little different experience. When I was a cadet (ATC) I taken aside and told 'I will not have my officers disrespected'. I had a half eaten Snickers in my hand which he told me to put down and stand to attention. Supposedly I'd stuck two fingers up at this other officer. I denied it but not sure he believed me but he dismissed me. Later the officer I insulted(supposedly) bent down to me when I was sat down and in a low voice 'you cheeky ****' he seemed more bemused than angry though. Anyway talking to others about it this kid chimed up admitted it was him. He didn't put it right though.
2 likesTrue. That's why I stay away from crazy people, that includes all of my family members. The stress and drama would kill you. I realized I'm living with crazy parents when they preach peace and love and then do otherwise.
3 likesAny parent willing to humiliate their children like that is a horrible person.
2 likesWho are you typing this comment too?
0 likesthis isnt nearly similar to your experience but i havent been accused of lying for quite some time until a couple days ago when i was on a walk with my bestfriend, we sat on a bench and had an amazing view of our home town and there was a church in the distance and i thought i saw a drone flying on top of it and was like "i just thought that bird was a drone haha" and then about 20 minutes later while we were walking past the church she was like "look theres a drone" and i was so excited because i knew i saw it from a distance and she kept saying i didnt and then i kept saying that i TOLD her i did and shes like "no you didnt tell me" and then im like "well i guess you weren't listening" and replies with "no, you just didnt" istg i wanted to slapppppp that bish into the river but i just shook it off and forgot about it because i didnt feel like arguing. anyway glad i ranted, now i can sleep at night knowing people who read this long ass paragraph know the real truth.
5 likesStep mom sounds vindictive. My first thought goes straight to, why do this? What’s in it for her? Did she fear your father would think less of her if he knew it was her daughters weed? Was she afraid in any way of how your father would treat her daughter if he found out? Or is she so self absorbed she wants you out of the way so it can be all about her and her daughter with your father?
1 likeRegardless of her motivations, manipulative people in my experience can be dangerous. If not through violent acts, through their attempts to control and maneuver others to meet their own needs.
Sorry to hear this, hopefully things have since improved for you.
If you take the ato out then your name is pot head 🤔
0 likesDad owes you a major apology in front of the whole family
0 likes@catsofstyle Was the random kid wearing some kind of a costume, Was he white ?.(if the random kid was not white, I think some people might consider it offensive(if asked multiple times) and the principal wasn't wrong In suspending your friend, I don't know why she would suspend you, she might have not watched the video herself)
0 likesLol.
0 likesI got a kick out of this lol.
If being accused of having weed by your parents is your wrongfully accused story you haven't been through jack fucking shit.
That's hilarious 'I been through some shit. Yea my parents found weed...'
Hahahaha!
Similar thing happened with me and my parents. They looked at my assignments for school and saw that something hadn’t been put into the grade book yet. They thought that I didn’t do it, when in fact I DID turn it in, and my teacher had yet to grade it.
5 likesIt turned from a lecture about turning things on time into them yelling at me, even when I told them that it just wasn’t graded yet. The next day I went to my teacher, only for her to confirm to me that she just hadn’t graded the papers yet. When I told my parents that, they just said ‘ok’ and didn’t even apologize for yelling at me for no reason to the point of tears. Writing this at the moment is just making me more and more pissed off
I... don't know what to say. I can only really hope that the future doesn't have anything like this happen to you again.
0 likesLiterally damned if you don't and damned If you do.
1 likeThat sentiment is so stupid. Of course when someone is falsely accused of something they get more defensive rather than less.
5 likesThis but instead my family acussed me of going to online whorehouses
1 likeAfter 20 minutes of constant humilliation I got mad and almost beat the shit out of them if they won't respect be they will fear me
It's straight up gaslighting.
2 likesImagine being accused of a crime just because you were in the area.
0 likesHow can that cop sit there and obviously lie to the black man? I'm glad he won his civil suit and the cop was canned.
1 likei don't understand how anyone can do this. How can you knowingly imprison an innocent man?
0 likesHoly shit. Canadian police are held accountable for their actions? Y'all are so fuckin' lucky.
1 likeArrogant detective: "You're not in a enviable position"
8114 likesEnds up getting sued, suspended, demoted and has to pay damages.... That's not an enviable position either, buddy.
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Lol. Good. He deserves it. Appalling that when these people fail at their jobs, innocent people suffer. He’ll certainly think twice next time. Shame there was a first time though.
499 likes@Fernanda Partridge agreed.
12 likes@Fernanda Partridge if it was the first time.... I think not :(
30 likesDon't worry, they probably were back at work 2 weeks later after their nice vacation.
96 likesI didn't finish this yet. That makes me very happy
8 likesBeing wrong in Canada has consequences at least...even when you are the police.
60 likesI SO needed to hear that closure! Thank god
34 likesThe detective really threw the guilty card way to nonchalantly considering someone's LIFE is in his hands. Glad i read this
28 likes🤣😂💯💯💯💯💯
1 likeLooking for a promotion < Gets demotion LOL
27 likes46k for 3 days in county jail would be an opportunity I would envy.
27 likesFernando Partridge you’re spending your Friday commenting on a YouTube video you’re wasting your life.
3 likes@Dat Blue-Eyed Devil so are you Einstein
7 likesThe most frustrating thing for me to hear these detectives say is asking the suspect to "prove" goddamn anything. That isn't how this works, you don't get to just shift the burden of proof, you are making the accusation, you are the one with the burden of proof.
32 likesi love the dictionary, many don't realise the power of their words
3 likesTim ding ding ding. It’s so fucked.
1 likePeople don't realize that every word will be used against them, regardless of the perversion of context that must be made to do so. Every single word gets guilty and innocent people closer to prison, so don't say a damned thing.
13 likesCops view suspects as the enemy, it's only fair to respond by not helping them bury you.
Every attorney in the country will give the same advice: never talk to cops.
Rustic Clearly
1 like@Ziekk I feel as though there should be more measures added to the booking process when arresting people. there are not many professionals in this type of job
3 likesRasta Fahrer True.
0 likesMan here in America they would have said “Oh whatever you seemed guilty. Get out.” No punishment and you can’t sue any of the cops involved because of that good old qualified immunity.
3 likesI think some detectives forget that an innocent man being sent to prison is worse than 100 guilty men going free.
8 likes3 of them were, not just the interviewer.
0 likesamen
0 likesDat Blue-Eyed Devil LOL! 😂 at last! Aha! 😂😂😂
1 likeThink you are the first person that’s gets my name. 👊
The detective should have gone ti jail.
6 likesWhat he did in that investigation is nothing short of criminal
@Dat Blue-Eyed Devil why not visit an owl sanctuary?
0 likes@Paul Stocker Getting suspended without pay is not a vacation. It's a, "How can I make bills since I didn't plan enough because i have a reliable paycheck I just fucked up," situation. There's a lot of pressure on detectives to close cases, often their livelihoods depend on it. There are also people who would be used care salesmen who get jobs as police and find their way into a detectives position. It sucks, but we and all our institutions are essentially human and prone to error. It's why the victim got a huge payday and he was punished so severely.
1 like@Zane Burns Looks like you don't know any police or worked in the job. This will follow him around his entire career.
0 likes@Southpines Hooligan I don't personally know any, but I don't know all of them. I am Canadian.
0 likesHaHa Jones sadly I think you’re right. Law enforcement is full of total psychos.
1 likeFernando Partridge oooooo it’s a good series.
1 likeDat Blue-Eyed Devil Oh yes! As someone else told me on here (there was one other), it’s ‘ruddy bloody good’. 😂
1 likeFernando Partridge I hail from Michaels city 😂, do you wanna pickled onion? No I hate them 😂😂
0 likes@Zane Burns I've had police and fireman in my family for multiple generations, as well as friends, acquaintances, and enemies. I'm not deluded, unlike almost everyone in this message chain, I truly know better. Everyone is human, and humans make human mistakes. Police are part of a culture, and whatever problem the police have is indicative of that culture, not of the police themselves. I've spent some time in Latin American and seen what bad cops are. We don't really have that problem here. However, if everyone gets their wish, we will soon. The more "us versus them" mentality you foster, the worse it gets.
0 likes$46,000 for 3 and a half days is a pretty enviable position.
0 likesLMFAO!!!!
0 likes@PhoenixHinds Can confirm that Canadian PDs tend to take stuff like this very seriously. It's not like the US where if you become a police, you have a sort of legal protection (even if not explicitly stated).
1 like@Shabazz You can sue the police (as in individual officer) in the US in both Civil or Criminal court (You need to be nominally over the line if it was latter, like that cop who sat on George Floyd neck and killed him) There are no point to sue an officer in a civil court tho, unless you think a cop on a lousy $70,000 a year salary can afford to damages that rack up to hundreds of thouusand and even in millions?? Those are going to be a default judgement to begin with anyway......
0 likesPolice Officer, Police Department and sometime state prosecution body can be sue (depends on jurisdiction).
@Running Production You can only use them in certain situations where they clearly violated a rule but if they determine that they didn’t you can’t sue them.
1 like@Shabazz Who are "They"?
0 likesYou can sue anyone in the US in civil court, police officer and politician are not exempted to this rule. You (as an civilian) cannot "sue" someone criminally tho, that will need to go thought an indictment procedure thought your DA office.
Anyone know what his name was
0 likes@Running Production We’re talking about police right? So clearly that’s they. And again you cannot sue a police officer unless it is determined that they violated a policy. Look up qualified immunity. I never understand why people don’t question themselves and just keep assuming they’re right without checking to see if they are. You just keep asserting the same wrong claim without even double checking.
0 likes@Shabazz lol, it's strange that you quote "Qualified Immunity" yet you know nothing about the term.
1 likeQualified Immunity means Police can enjoy immunity "Only" if the person or organisation in question (ie the Cop or the Department) acts in good faith.
However, the term "Good Faith" is actually open to discussion here. Say for an example, would you sue the police for writing you a ticket over J-walking?
That term is established to exclude responsibility for an officer or an department when they are performing their job, so that their right to excute their duty will not be hinder by lawsuit. Which usually would not be the case when you sue them, because a normal person will not sue the Police or its department when everything is A-OK, you only sue them when there are something wrong
It is not like you said at all which "You cannot sue them when they are found not in violation of policy" dude, I can show you thousand of case the Police Officer in question was cleared by the department and yet get sued in Civil Court and found for the plaintiff. You don't need to look far, Breonna Taylor's killer was clear of any wrong doing by the department (2 of them still have their job) yet the family sued and won a case in a tune of 12 millions dollars. Virtually every Police Shooting since 1990 have a lawsuit attached whether the Police Officer in that particular circumstance were clear of wrongdoing or not.
Kid, please don't kid a lawyer. Look up civil right violation lawsuit against Police department on the internet man.
@Running Production oh my god. I was being lazy in the definition because I didn’t feel like typing a bunch. My point has always been that you can just sue anyone. Don’t try to pretend you’re claim was right by diving further into it what I said than I was willing to. Haha. You were wrong.
0 likes@Running Production Obviously it doesn’t apply to every situation or else it wouldn’t be qualified immunity. If you’re so versed in the way it works then you should be going around claiming that anyone can be sued because it’s not true.
0 likes@Shabazz So just because you said I am wrong then I am wrong? That is more than lazy I supposed.
0 likesYou need fact to back up what you said, I quote you a case to demostrate my point, and you should too.
Why would I need to go around claiming that anyone can be sued when that is an actual fact and everybody knows that.
0 likesJiust becuase you said I am wrong that does not mean I am wrong.
Funny that come from the same person who say "I didn't dive into the issue and research the issue and claim I am right." Wasn't that's exactly what you are doing?
@Running Production I didn’t say I didn’t look into it myself. I said that I didn’t feel like typing it all out.
0 likesThe bottom line is that you said that you can sue anyone. But that’s not true. You cannot sue a police officer, elected officials, judges, etc. UNLESS certain stipulations are met. It would be different if it was you CAN sue them EXCEPT for certain situations but it’s the opposite of that.
@Running Production I don’t need to do that if you already know what qualified immunity is. What’s the point of that? It’s just a waste of time. That being said there are countless examples of people being the victim of police brutality and they have to sue the city because the cop has immunity from a personal lawsuit. Once again my claim was never that police could not be aired at all just that it’s very difficult, which does not jive with your original claim.
0 likes@Shabazz First of all, if you have to talk about semantics, then what I say is still correct. Because you can literally sue anyone, suing anyone require you to go to a court and file a necessary paperwork, anyone can do that to everyone, however, whether the court will dismiss your case is another issue. As that is a seperate action than lauching a lawsuit.
0 likesSecondly, as I have already demostrated, you can sue the Police Officer, Police Department when they did not break any guideline, this is based on civil right violation, as an elected official, I can perform my duty as charged and it can still violate someone's else constitutional civil right. A police officer break down a door after getting fired at, he return fire and kill an innocent person that was in the vincinty, the officer charge is adhere to his duty and act in self defence, but that does not mean the victim civil right (as in right to live) was not violated. Hence this is what lawsuit can bring in to people.
So, you are wrong either way, either you play it semantically or stick with what you said.
Hah
0 likes@Dave poj They have several forms of legal protection here in the US:
1 like1 - Blue Line code of silence / the "brotherhood"
2 - Internal investigations
3 - Police unions
4 - Biased criminal justice system
5 - Qualified Immunity
6 - Indemnification when all else fails
A cop has to mess up with malicious intent and wicked badly for all those protections to be stripped away or otherwise fail
Thankgod cop got his karma but he needs more punishment
0 likesHe should have been imprisoned. He knowingly lied during the interview AND jailed a man he KNEW couldn't have been it
0 likes@Paul Stocker they were back at work after their 2 week unpaid vacation where they came back to a lower rank job which also paid them less and they had to pay over $40,000 to the man
1 likeHad to pay damages? I think not, thats coming straight from the taxpayer.
1 likeThe detective and the arresting officers had been suspended without pay, but as seen multiple times on ATA or other comparable channels that could mean anything from suspended for 2 hours to 1 week. I sincerely doubt it was more than 2 weeks.
You know what's crazy the behavior of an innocent person and a guilty person trying to look behave like am innocent person is indistinguishable in some cases
0 likes"I promise you I'll investigate it thoroughly, I have a duty to the truth. It will only be a few hours."
1 like3 fucking days later... I'd be so pissed, $50k isn't nearly enough.
I'm glad those officers faced some consequences but it would've been nice if they were fired for that kind of incompetence. You know like how jobs tend to work.
0 likesI know I’d fold under pressure, these officers are trained interrogators, there needs to be compensation for playing mind games and manipulating innocent citizens. It’s traumatic.
0 likesPolice officer: The truth is paramount.
2699 likesAlso police officer: Lies his arse off.
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Well said
12 likestypical cop
30 likesCops are professional liars. That's what they do.
32 likesThey all tell lies and they’re allowed to. That has nothing to do with his demotion or suspension.
13 likesFemales and cops..
0 likesYeah, well, I don't have a problem with them lying, that's their job to do whatever it takes to catch the bad guy. I have a problem with their incompetence and lack of judgement.
6 likes@vinsanity982 no, lying is not part of their job.
16 likesProtecting the right of citizens is their fkn job.
Which they fail at and are a waste of money and makes us less free and protected.
@Jesse Jennings Well I said it was part of their job, not their only job. Yes, they are supposed to protect the rights of citizens which includes capture people who have violated someone else's rights. And in the USA, it is completely legal for a cop to lie to you. I mean, the BTK killer (bind tie kill) was busted because the cops lied to him. The issue here was incompetence. They didn't do the investigative work that would have made it obvious that he was innocent. If they sat there and lied to the guy, but then left the room and checked his alibi, they would have let him go. But they didn't. And that was violation of his rights, not that they lied to him
2 likes@vinsanity982 it seems to me that they really think lying and farming the citizens like livestock is their job.
4 likesFrom laws made up at the moment to lying on the stand.
This distrust of the police didn't happen in a vacuum.
@Jesse Jennings Laws made up on the spot and lying on oath is not the same thing as bluffing a suspect in an interrogation. How you feel about cops, I agree, I don't trust them and I think they can make make mistakes and they definitely need reform. However, I disagree that them lying here was "THE" bad thing. The "THE bad thing" was their incompetence and their half ass investigation
1 like@Dp Peters not all but the few give a bad impression of the many AS USUAL.
1 like@Dp Peters Unfortunately, you kind of have to thank middle class tax payers for that pay out...
0 likes@vinsanity982 I really don't think they should lie. Like in the video, the cops believe that the person they've arrested is guilty, but they don't have any evidence to support that assumption, so they resort to lying which doesn't help anybody. It's their job to identify evidence and then piece together a timeline for the crime and match that evidence and timeline up with the person they have or would like to have in custody. If you don't have the evidence, then you don't lie and make up evidence just because you FEEL somebody is guilty.
0 likes@vinsanity982 BTK wasn't busted because cops lied to him, he was busted because he used a floppy disk to correspond with cops and the cops used digital forensics to discover that the disk belonged to a Church that BTK attended. That's hard evidence that links the disk to the church to Dennis Rader.
0 likes@Andrew Hoyt Yes, what you said is correct however, he was communicating with the police before sending them the disk. He asked the cops to basically swear that they couldn't trace it and they promised him they couldn't. So he sent it and they immediately traced it lol. So yes, they did lie to him to catch him. But anyways, back to the other guy. The lame bluff attempt didn't put this guy in jail, it was shoddy police work
0 likesYeah thats something cops on The US can do, lie. Not in civilized countries tho cops cant just traight up lie to you.
0 likesThey lie because they want them to admit to it
0 likes@HoseTheBeast Well, i'm not going to search every country in the world but so far i found that Canada and Australia allow their police to lie to you. Are you saying Canada is uncivilized?? lol Please say yes so I can laugh my ass off.
1 likeIt's like a parent telling you: Do as I say, not as I do. That's one of the main problems with law enforcement I think. That the techniques they use are actually what the people they try to put behind bars are known for. I don't think you can use these techniques and still keep your integrity. You shouldn't put out a fire with fire. That's why I personally prefer statement analysis. It doesn't require manipulation.
0 likesvinsanity982 but it becomes a problem when getting a confession without hard evidence is highly rewarded.
1 likeIt just gives officers an incentive to make shit up and act like they know for a fact that a suspect is guilty even though they actually have no idea and are just trying to get a reward out of it, even if they have to abuse innocent people for it.
Svetovidijak paramount usually means ‘more important than anything else’.
0 likesKittyKat true, but they are allowed to and can use it to their advantage
0 likes@Adrian Celsius Tepes It's basically the same behavior they would condemn in others. I think these interrogation practices are highly unethical tbh. They are using the same immoral manipulation techniques, just in a more socially accepted context in which they get paid for it. Have you seen the series "Dexter"? That's a similar debate I think. (A serial killer killing serial killers...he also works for the police.)
1 like@Dp Peters sorry about your bad luck
0 likes@KittyKat people love their blanket statements. I hope you will be a understanding and fair police officer one day, make a new standard!
0 likes@KittyKat yeah we need a lot more of that in the world at the moment.
0 likesJust thinking the same thing when I saw your comment!
0 likesStandard Operating Procedure for the police
0 likes@Svetovidijak Paramount means top priority
1 like@Cole Sisler not all of them but a lot of them
0 likesIdc what you say, dude got $46,000 for spending 3 days in jail sounds like a steal to me
1 likeSome Police just want to protect and serve their pay checks.
3 likesGreat video thanks by any chance would you be able to show Jeffrey Dahmer's interrogation
0 likesForced confessions are real. This happens more than people realize
0 likesI actually cheered out loud when I heard that Michael was exonerated, compensated, and that the investigators were punished. Fucking brilliant.
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@C not me
4 likes@C i’m white
3 likes@C lmao you really mad huh
12 likesThat was not punishment for the investigators !!!!
3 likesImagine how many people this happens to that don’t get exonerated and compensated and rot in prison
75 likes@aaron ramsdale enthusiast What was their deleted comment?
1 like@Nicola Obrien I think compensation for the victims is more important than punishment for the perpetrators. 46K CAD is pretty good for 3 days of prison and being wrongfully accused.
25 likes@Bogos J. Binted It shouldn't have happened in the first place. I'm not taking the compensation away from him he deserves every penny.
24 likesIn the US they would have gotten a promotion.
6 likesUnfortunately the story might not have had a good ending if this was in the US
1 likethe way foreigners use brilliant is so fucking funny lmao
3 likes@Cam English It’s funny how Americans think it’s possible to be a ‘foreigner’ in a YouTube comment section lmao
20 likesi mean trust me, those investigators looked at the suspension as a vacation, even with the "demotion" they're probably making more than they realistically need
0 likesMe too! Although I think their punishment was a slap on the wrist. They should have been fired! But I'm glad they didn't just get away with it completely!
1 likei started laughing aha
0 likesPunished but didn’t lose their job aka not punished
0 likes@Street blawger Yea, it was a slap on the wrist. They definitely should have been fired and not allowed to be employed in that line of work or similar work ever again. What they did is despicable
3 likesSame, seemed like such a genuine and decent bloke. Horrible that he had guns pointed at him and served time but so glad he got the 46 thousand payout
0 likesThat’s Canada, not America.
0 likesYeah thankfully it was just 3 days.. omg
0 likes@Cam English amaericanized
0 likesNo, you didn't.
0 likesnow the interrogation from his point of view is almost funny.
0 likesNOT ENOUGH investigator MUST BE JAILED! 2 years as compensation too.
0 likes@Trent Mclellan 99.99999999% men. VM are innnocent angels
0 likes@Rasheed Nesbitt it's funny how you lump all Americans together
1 like@Rasheed Nesbitt it's funny what you find funny.
0 likes@clayton jacobs nope. Their career will never recover.
0 likesinvestigators need to do their job carefully, but some of them are just here for money tho ;-;
0 likesShould have gotten more than a measly $40k.
0 likesOnly problem is, not enough money.
0 likesStuff like this really leads you to believe police don’t care who confesses to a crime or gets convicted as long as SOMEONE does
0 likesPlease post your next video!!! We are all waiting. Love watching your videos
0 likesWhat I've learnt from this is that if you are neurodivergent, you must pray to not find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time
0 likesqualified immunity should be removed when their badge enables them to commit crimes, treat them like what they are, criminals
0 likesIf an officer KNOWINGLY falsely accuses someone of a crime they should lose their badge/job plain and simple.
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How would they prove they knowingly falsely accused though?
67 likes@Aidan Leung Like first incident. Looking for small white man, but instead arrest 6 foot black guy.
581 likes@Aidan Leung Very easy, claiming you have video evidence or witness testimony when you don't have such, or any evidence at all for that matter, yet still try to blatantly coerce a confession. Even when directly being called out for his bluff maintained that he had this evidence. There is a point where testing to see if someone would crack, becomes blatant vindictiveness, which is what this officer displayed
387 likesAnd pension
11 likesEverybody maken mistakes
0 likes@Rick if you make silly mistakes that could potentially ruin people's lives then you should not be an officer
141 likes@Rick no. don't try to justify his actions. the guy he was supposed to have in that chair in front of him was a white short male AND he lacked evidence; there was absolutely no reason to hold him for 3 DAYSSS! this is so unbelievable.
95 likes@Aidan Leung how about "we have conclusive evidence tha you did this, im not here to figure out whether you did it or not since we already know you did it. Im here just to find out what kind of a guy you are whether youre a serial burglar or if this is a one time thing" i dont know how much more evidence you need to be honest since ironic enough theres video evidence of the officer claiming these things and the irony just keeps on giving.
23 likes@MrDahQ whats stopping them from just passing it off as some kind of mental trick for interrogation? Besides they mentioned in the video that getting confessions without evidence is a mark of merit.
4 likes@Aidan Leung No... getting evidence or a confession through questions related to the crime is a mark of merit...., falsifying information with no basis of fact in order to get evidence or a confession is coersion and illegal..
17 likesThey should go to jail, too.
10 likes@superazazel8740 True, police are allowed to claim they have evidence that they don't have. That's OK cos they "know" the person is guilty, and of course when the person gives up, overwhelmed by all the evidence seemingly against them, and falsely confesses just to get a shorter sentence, that proves they were guilty, doesn't it?
17 likesThis utterly verminous technique might be less effective if people were aware it exists. A shocking number of people don't know the police are allowed to, and will routinely lie to suspects about vitally important facts of the case. Get a fucking lawyer!
They're scum and I don't know how they sleep at night. I suspect denial is well involved though. Pension probably helps.
@Aidan Leung indeed it is a mark of merit and as a mind trick it is fine to begin with... What im disagreeing here with is the fact they kept him locked up for that long with no evidence whatsoever.
4 likes@Aidan Leung Yeah, that's why he got a demotion, because he put getting his mark of merit above the lives he is supposed to protect.
3 likesforget losing the badge. They should get what the innocent would have got plus another 5-10.
10 likes@Rick court isn’t a place to allow mistakes you can be the decider of if someone stays in jail for the rest of their life or not
6 likesthey should be arrested.
4 likesOxymoron alert
0 likesPrison
0 likesThey should be put in jail for more time than normal
1 likeShit if they knowingly do that they deserve prison time.
1 likeThe problem is pretending you have evidence that you don't is an effective tactic of getting people to confess to crimes they did.
1 likeGood luck trusting the unions to agree with that measure
0 likesNot in kenya, they get a raise..
0 likesNo they fucking shouldn’t, they’re allowed to tell ‘legal lies’ as a tactic of making a guilty person confess.
0 likesReally policing is a job we can’t afford for someone to suck at.
0 likesThey should go to jail. Hold them to a higher standard.
0 likes@Banraku M It is completely legal for police to lie during interrogations. That includes lying about evidence.
0 likesthere is no mistake this is police corruption for their own promotion
1 likeAnd their freedom
0 likesHonestly they should be imprisoned for the same time the innocent person would've gotten
0 likesIf it’s an interrogation with evidence and it’s critical maybe it can help but this is crazy.
0 likesIt should be jail time
0 likesDestroyer 13, not only job, but freedom too. Should be put in prison!!
1 likeAgreed!
0 likesWhat a class act
0 likes@Rick it's not a mistake if you abuse your power on purpose, it's a crime
3 likesAbsolutely
0 likes@m00n huh
0 likesNo, they should serve the sentence
0 likesthey got demoted and suspended frankly i dont know anyone whod even want this guy on the force he clearly doesnt know what hes doing and needs to take courses to get better
1 likeOn the double immediately
0 likesI don't know about in Canada, but in the U.S. firing a cop is a normal everyday occurrence for "gypsy cops" the ones who get fired for racist acts of violence, can drive a mile down the road to the next precinct and get hired THE SAME DAY THEY WERE FIRED.
0 likesFor everyone saying that cops can lie. Yes maybe if it's a life or death situation (let's say for example that a person is in danger and they must find them as quick as possible). But when it's a burglary and you have zero evidence you just start with basic questions (where were you today etc) not that aggressive "i know you did it" lol
2 likes@Swoll-E No. Plain and simple, no.
0 likeslosing their job would be getting off too easy. the DEATH PENALTY would be getting off too easy. they should have life in prison.
0 likes@Aidan Leung Having no prove should already count as being false
0 likes@A Bite Of Life you don't do much thinking do you pal?
0 likes@Pilot This officer didn't make any mistakes in his interrogation, other than not being confident and controlling the conversation. Telling a suspect you have evidence and to stop lying is a investigation tactic cops are trained to use, lying to get evidence is their job. Not treating suspects like individuals and refusing any benefit of the doubt, is their job. Arresting a 6'3" black dude after the call said short white guy, is probably a different story, but once they'd stopped some one, everything from that point on they were doing by the book. Though i'd argue ignoring suspect descriptions and arresting a POC is also unofficially "by the book" at this point.
0 likesPeriod
0 likes@Aidan Leung IDK. Check ALIBI at least?
0 likesI have only one question - why he couldn't be released? It was only stealing. They can't prohibit him of leaving town or what?
0 likes@Aidan Leung considering they falsely accused an INNOCENT person, you hinting that they need to be proven guilty of that is far too ironic.
0 likesThe interrogator and 3 other officers were demoted and suspended without pay I'm shocked.....they are normally promoted. They should have been fired off the force.
0 likesAnyone who lies and get someone sent to jail should at a minimum spend the exact same amount of time in jail that the other person served if not double the amount.
0 likesDetective: "so basically I have to lie to get the truth"
0 likesThese types of cops, should be forced to serve the sentence, they gave an innocent man.
0 likesCop: "You're being incarcerated for a crime you didn't commit"
3258 likesCanadian: "Understandable. Have a good day."
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That's the most Canadian thing I've heard all month
55 likes@A D dude acted civilized, and got 40k as compensation
71 likes@Rajat you good?
12 likes@A D Yeah like if you were there you would've fought the detective to prove your innocence. Must be hard living life like an orangutan
13 likesLmfaoooooooooo oh naaa
0 likesNah mate I’m good. Just saw someone calling another guy a coward for being kind is all, maybe you’re like A D too
0 likes“Well.. thank you, I guess”
4 likesReacted like that because he couldn't take the charge seriously, because he knew it wasn't him. Basic psychology, it's a surprise he didn't laugh in response tbf, I would, like a "you serious?" kinda laugh.
0 likesas an introvert, i would have acted in the exact same way
1 like@Rajat Not looking for an argument Just pointing out that You probably should put in Your comment Who You are "replying /or directing it to" (that is who are You calling an ignoramus)
0 likesBecause as it stands that is not clear to other commenters ((or me)), and it seems to have lead to being misinterpreted.
Best regards.
🤣🤣🤣
0 likesLOL.
0 likesThere are three phrases and only three, that I will say to a cop for any given situation.
1 likeHello officer, Am I under arrest?
Am I free to go?
With respect, I would like to consult a lawyer before I say anything else.
That is it. That is all. no ifs, ands, or buts.
Even if I am a victim of car jacking, or someone mugged me, or I was in a car accident.
a conversation with a cop can be used against you. It can NOT be used for you. There is absolutely no benefit to talk to a cop. none.
When you buy something, keep the receipt of time & date and keep receipt. Wave at security cameras whenever you see one. Take a picture and check-in on social media to prove were somewhere (for at least part of your day). Be pleasant to anyone you see so maybe they can be a good witness
0 likesDemoted and suspended without pay... should have been fired and brought up on charges.
1 likeThat is terrible! But I am glad how it ended. He deserved compensation and the officers deserved their punishment. I believe the officers got off lightly. They should have been fired.
0 likesPeople keep saying that cops aren't your enemies, but they're not your friends either.
3778 likesTheir job is to arrest people. Always assume the worst in a interrogation and shut up until your lawyer shows up.
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they are also trying to get fast track promotions by getting innocent people to confess and build a reputation as a great interrogator. what a crazy system that encourages bad behaviour not good service. throw cops like that out of the service. show people respect. I hope he got demoted to a lollypop lady (a pleasant woman who helps children cross the road in England and she holds a sign that looks like a giant lollypop to stop traffic) or a library security man.
293 likescops are absolutely your enemy. They do not exist to keep you safe, or to "fight crime", whatever that is supposed to mean. They exist to protect capital.
251 likesEspecially detectives and lawyers.
10 likesYeah never talk to the cops unless your lawyer is present even if you have nothing to hide they will always twist the facts against you even if you have good intentions
75 likes@Sam fighting crime typically means stopping people from committing criminal activity. It exists in every sector of society, im not sure how thats hard for people like you to get
32 likesjob is to enforce the law. not protect you, not help you or the like. their job at the end of the day to ENFORCE the law. they are enforcers.
44 likesThere are a million ways that little bits of truth can come back to bite you in the ass even if you are innocent. NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer.
24 likesLul, they want to take you out to a fishing expedition
1 likeIf you hate lawyers... like I do. Not lawyers as people but lawyers as a profession. Then you'll understand that you're paying someone for an attempt to do something. You'll understand that a lawyer is not paid to get you out of jail but simply to be your safety blanket while you go through the legal process. However, a good lawyer will be your own personal private investigator to get you out of situations like this. I wish all lawyers were good. Theyre not. Its a dice roll. Thats why I hate them. The profession, not the persom.
26 likes@SpectreNeon "stopping" lol
4 likesJoe Rogan describes the "game" of police investigators and prosecutors of a win amd lose position perfectly. Once you understand that these people don't necessarily see their job as a public service but as just a job with opportunities to elevate or lose.
14 likesSpectreNeon are (US) cops required to defend you when someone is trying to kill or rape you? Nope. Therefore, they are not there to protect you
9 likesI forgot the guys name but he was a lawyer who was doing a speech to college students talking about this. And to never say anything ever even if you are innocent and went through all these awesome examples.
10 likesA cop then came up to talk after and literally said everything he told you is correct lol
Unfortunately Canada is different from the states. When you state "I want to talk to a lawyer" the interrogating officers don't have to stop questioning you. Basically the onus is on you to remain silent until your lawyer gets there. Also in Canada, a lawyer can't sit in the interrogation room with you. They can be outside, and you can stop and consult them whenever. But in Canada there is none of this "you asked for a lawyer, ok we are leaving the room" shit that you see in the States. But yes, the police are the enemy. ACAB
14 likesAlexander Redhorse their job is to protect and serve. Not protect and serve the law😂
1 like@Sam Don't phone the cops when you get stabbed, robbed, shot or have any crime committed against you.
4 likes@Sam I wouldn't say that they are my enemy. They are products of a decades long broken system that values making money for the department, and whatever municipality they work for. Now does that mean that I trust police in anything other than an emergency situation? No.. absolutely not. But they aren't my enemy.
8 likesMy only experience with UK police has been in reporting a crime, and it's also the only time I've been made to feel like a criminal.
6 likesThey are your enemies
3 likes@Sam As opposed to what, encouraging it?
1 like@Henry Bollinger ok so we should get rid of all police?
0 likesthat's scary
0 likesListen to me when I tell you this - The police are ABSOLUTELY your enemy if they have suspected you of a crime. It really sucks and is very hard to swallow as an innocent person, because as an innocent person, you want to try to do everything you can to help the police and give them as much information as you can. The problem is, they will use absolutely everything in their power and everything you say against you. They literally tell you this when reading your rights. If you are picked up for a crime, even if you are innocent - immediately call a lawyer.
4 likes@SpectreNeon Law enforcement is a career defined by enforcing lawys (Just or Unjust) created by a Government Entity. Enforcement means to strengthen, to compel obedience. Force is an active, motion or change, a power or strength. By definition, these people actively exhibit power and compel one to become obediene so, in-turn, their laws or rules created by and agreed by politicians, are strengthened by force. They don't stop "criminal" activity, they enforce compliance and exhibit force to stop unlawful activities, conduct that goes directly against by rules, or laws, created by politicians. This means that if one were to participate in an activity, that hasn’t been created or "passed" as unlawful, or "unruly" then that conduct you were participating in wouldn't require enforcement because there was no rules, or laws created against the activity. Crime is an unlawful act punishable by a State or Authoritarian Entity. What if, say, urinating outside was was agreed on as an illegal activity that was punishable by a felony? If you do this, that would make your code of conduct "unlawful" and it an "unlawful activity" or what you refer to as a "criminal activity".
0 likesBingo!
0 likes@Sam I bet you would still call them to protect you
3 likes@Turquoise Cheetah Thank fuck there's at least one person in these comments who think for themselves.
1 like@Steven Hair The Police do not make you follow the law, aka "enforce the law" as that in itself would be violating the law. They arrest you and attempt to punish you if they believe they can prove you violated the law. There is no enforcing whatsoever. They're very selective in who they look at when it comes to violating the law too. Certain socioeconomic circumstances will make you much more likely to be falsely accused and possibly convicted of a crime you did not commit. Those with the resources and positions of power break the law regularly and are often found out too, yet they do not even get the formal accusations, let alone actually convicted for the crimes the did commit.
1 likeLaw in its current guise does nothing more than protect the powers that be from those who the powers that be are exploiting.
@Henry Bollinger Now this guy gets it! The police are the fucking enemy and so is the government.
1 like@Jacob Ott And hopefully one day you finish high school. here's a tip, if you have a problem with a law the answer isn't to whine on social media that the law system shouldnt exist. whine to legislators that changes should be made to make the law you have an issue with nonexistent. But as it stands the general consensus is that most people want doing meth in the middle of the street to be illegal. youre on the wrong side here, get help
1 like@ratsalad lol you don't know what "capital" means. you're a worker, not a capitalist. figure it out
4 likesYou couldn't be more wrong. Their job is NOT to "arrest people". There's FAR more to law enforcement than to simply arrest people. What those cops did in this video was shitty and wrong and they paid for it too. One thing you are correct about is no matter the situation, if you're being questioned by police, you stay quiet and request an attorney.
2 likesI would say saving you from violent criminals is a pretty friendly thing to do.
1 like@first DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services. Cops don't have to protect you, it's literally not their job. The Supreme Court found that the government had no affirmative duty to protect any person, even a child, from harm by another person. “Nothing in the language of the Due Process Clause itself requires the State to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors," stated Chief Justice Rehnquist for the majority, "even where such aid may be necessary to secure life, liberty, or property interests of which the government itself may not deprive the individual" without “due process of the law.”
5 likes@Sam have u ever seen a swat video with hostages they don't just protect capital they make sure the victims are kept alive and resued. Or when a mass shooting happens it's the cops that show up and protect the people lol.
0 likes@MTB 5 Couldn't that backfire, and ruin there career?
0 likes@Alexander Redhorse and I bet "enforcing the law" involves lying out of their asses to get a promotion at the expense of the lives of the people they swore to protect.
1 likeYeah but the interrogators come in like they're interested on hearing your side. Using the buddy technique so you'll let down your guard. Bring you a soda. Ask what they can do to make your more comfortable. As far as he's concerned, you're guilty. He just need to get you to say it.
1 likeBut if the evidence against you is strong going to the interrogation room and having a cop voach for you behaving innocent may be your only chance. Especially since your lawyer can show footage of someone who was confirmed to be innocent during the interrogation and show the simmilarities.
0 likes@Sam cops exist only to “ protect” property
2 likes@Steven Hair enforce the law by arresting people
0 likesIt's kinda funny I think, it's a defense sistem or a developed insensitivity towards the suspect, it's more easy to make that job seeing everyone like a suspect instead of a innocent
0 likesTheir JOB is to be an enemy. You're right, they're not your friends. So don't talk to them.
3 likesCops are meant to be people's friends, that will protect them and give them justice, but it is hard when your payment is not determined by helping people but arresting them
0 likes@Steven Hair huh!? If you fit the description they are certainly keen on arresting you. They could even arrest you without you even being aware they are cops. They are not your friends period, full stop!
1 like@mjoto "If you hate lawyers... like I do. Not lawyers as people but lawyers as a profession. Then you'll understand that you're paying someone for an attempt to do something. You'll understand that a lawyer is not paid to get you out of jail but simply to be your safety blanket while you go through the legal process. However, a good lawyer will be your own personal private investigator to get you out of situations like this. I wish all lawyers were good. Theyre not. Its a dice roll. Thats why I hate them. The profession, not the persom."
0 likesNo kidding! Imagine your plumber comes to fix your toilet, but it still doesn't flush. You plumber charges you top dollar anyway, saying, "But I TRIED to fix it!!"
Unfortunately they also have the power to ruin your life if they are bad. Sad when so many are honest and hardworking that they get punished for the few.
1 like@SpectreNeon You know, being against drugs is kind've ironic considering the CIA actually sold cocain to black majority inner cities to fund the contra rebels during Reagans presidency which created the crack epidemic. And before you say i'm wearing a tin-foil hat no, it actually happened.
1 likeThey exist on paper to protect you from criminals, but the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
1 likeAny institution that has the authority to pull you off the street and steal your life is to be treated with extreme caution. You're not dealing with friendly neighborhood policeman, you're dealing with a professional government snatcher. It doesn't matter why they would take you, what matters is that they can. Would you trust a trained bear not to maul you to death?
@Sam yo based?
0 likes@NeTTeB like right in front of them?
0 likes@Dr. Coomer Yep. There have been cases where there was a school shooter but the cop that was at that school for those specific situations just ran away and didn't face any charges. Also if you die right in front of them they are under no obligation to call an ambulance for you. That counts for everybody, cop or not, though
0 likes@NeTTeB damn. That cop was a coward, but is this a common occurrence during school shootings?
0 likes@Ridley fear monger? it's a reality that "cops who break the law or pull shit like the first one" are almost NEVER held accountable. Cops don't report each other. If they do, the whistleblower is often punished. RIP Chris Dorner
1 likeCops only do what theyre told to do and sometimes break that barrier and go off the limits of justice they are anything but justified people never question a cop
0 likesLove your survival instinct, always assume the worst!
0 likesAnd one more person leaves the station knowing without a doubt how dishonest cops are.
0 likesShamelessly trying to get a wrong confession straight out of the suspect....that investigator... I wouldn't have the guts to show my face in public if I watched this video.
0 likesActually even when proven innocent, it seems they'll still convict ya. Guilty until proven.. rich
0 likes2 years and the “evidence” is somebodies word against his.
0 likesINSANE
Michael probably has more mediation experience than the detective. Immediately breaking out the “I understand your position and where you’re coming from”, I perfectly understand why you’d classify him as asserting dominance. He’s deescalating a situation properly, and that’s pretty funny.
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For a guy with a fear of public speaking, his composure is rock fuckin solid.
243 likes@Man with No Name I can see why he got offered the job, he's so calm yet confident and doesn't need to say much to get his point across
110 likes@Man with No Name facts bro
3 likes@Man with No Name makes me feel better about myself, if such a level headed and articulate guy doesn't like to speak in crowds then my shy ass feels less bad for stuttering when speaking to a large number of people lol
16 likes@Man with No Name Well his fear his probably related towards a crowd. I am the same as him in that regard.
4 likesIts the definition of irony
1 like@Gabriel Larena profile picture?
0 likesThat's why if you ever find yourself in this situation, you don't waste your breath or get aggregated, and just tell them you want your lawyer. There's no more talking after that. Everything you say, can, and will used against you. No matter how innocent you are.
10 likes@Lou hell even if you did do it. Best case is to shut up and lawyer up. If they have evidence nothing you say helps you. It only hurts you. And if you did it and they don’t have evidence it also only hurts you to speak. When dealing with the law, the less you say is better, guilty or innocent.
4 likes@Jake What job did he get offered? I must have missed it (or it's not mentioned in this video)
0 likes@Max he got offered a job as a speaker but turned it down because he felt he was too introverted
0 likes@Fanian google "sandman daniel", I'm sure it will show up
1 like@Gabriel Larena got it, thanks
0 likesand here I am just thinking myself, being arrested and being fascinated by the fact that I am going to jail for 2 years, no college, no family problems, and all I am gonna do is write poetries...I wish that happens... :)
0 likesReminds me of the crap that the South Euclid Police Department used to pull on us back in the day. I should have sued them 1000 times over.
0 likesI get so nervous for these poor people. My worst nightmare is to be locked up for something I didn’t do
0 likesThe whole issue of "innocent until proven guilty" is such a farce.
0 likes“Wether you did it or not isn’t up for discussion”. They definitely need to re learn their job.
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That cop definitely looks at himself in the mirror every morning and says " I AM THE LAW"
274 likesAre you new to this channel? Detectives across the world say this and it works. This would have been a successful interrogation if they could be arsed to follow up his alibi and let him go but... promotion comes first for that arsehole.
46 likesWatched Judge Dredd one too many times.
5 likesTHE HALL MONITOR !!!
5 likesIT'S NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION
1 likeRe learn their place*
2 likes@Cole Tynan He'll be moving on to Australia next, no doubt. Full of underperforming poms..
1 likeYeah like wtffff
0 likesA detective's job is to cobble a case together any way possible, to be able to present to the district attorney. In some towns and cities in the United States, the police department's budget is based on number of arrests. Guilt or innocence of the accused isn't a part of the equation.
3 likesThe prosecutor's job is to convince a jury of the defendant's guilt. His job is based on a win/loss ratio.
Neither "truth" nor "justice" are a factor in any stage of the prosecution.
This is very true, but also it's very sad because lawyers aren't your friends either. They lie and exploit your fears just like cops.
1 likeLegally it's not only up for discussion but the sole purpose of an interrogation. Interrogators are just well trained liars.
1 likeI was like... um... Isn't that kind of in the job description lmao
0 likes@Pedro Santos yes!
0 likes@Popular Opinion Dispenser yes I am new here. Thanks for the info! He just seemed to be so focused on that raise though 😂
0 likes@Gerald Lacy Yep, it's a damn shame how some people only show up for the money. I wonder how many others were wrongly imprisoned because of that guy. As far as the interrogation went it was pretty standard but that detective thought it would be more beneficial to himself if he didn't bother following up on it. Only half the job was done 🙁
0 likes“Wether you did it or not isn’t up for discussion”. They definitely need to re learn their job.
0 likesThe part that really bugs me is where the interviewer says "I have nothing to gain from trying to bluff you into a confession"... Which is total garbage. As Jim pointed out, getting a confession without any evidence looks great on a policeman's record so they absolutely have a vested interested in trying to pressure innocent people.
0 likesIf criminals shouldn't be allowed to lie to protect their own interests, then neither should the people who are charged with catching those criminals.
@Popular Opinion Dispenser
0 likesWhat scared me was the red headed dude who was innocent that they said spent two years behind bars wrongly accused. That could be me, could be any one of us. The tragedy is he had gone awry and been rehabilitated because of his prison experience and still got shafted. I hope he stayed the course even though he got jacked up.
@fishhuntadventure All I can think is that hopefully he was able to sue someone for that. I agree, the thought is scary.
0 likes"uh detective i believe that's the entire reason we're in this room right now"
0 likes9:48 can you prove you didn't leave your house other than your mother?
1 likeNo no. Can YOU prove I didn't. At this point they have no evidence that he was there and 2 people saying as much.
As a American citizen and immigrant - I love this country and I wouldn't do anything to break the law, however cops aren't your friend. they're like a separate entity
0 likesNEVER, ever talk to the police without a lawyer.
1 likeThe incompetence is strong in these detectives.
0 likesI'm glad that in the UK police aren't allowed to lie about evidence they don't have. It muddies the water so much, like this guy was so relived when they supposedly had video evidence that would exonerate him, but then he's confused when they say the evidence shows him breaking and entering.
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Add to that UK police are only allowed to hold suspects for 24 hours so they don't doddle about with the investigation and leave people in the holding cell for three and a half days
1795 likesYeah, it's insane we still let police lie, even outside of interrogations.
741 likesDamn pete, how are you in every comment section for videos I watch? Has the search for electro-swing taken you to all corners of the internet?
155 likesAlthough sometimes they will lie and tell you that your accomplice has "told us everything".
200 likesBut i agree, i like the system we have here; the Anerican one seems scary to me
@Angry Pocket Pyro Used to play TF2. It's been years tho
14 likesMeanwhile it's damning if you lie to them, which is why you're advised to get a lawyer regardless of guilt or innocence. Even something minor, like getting the time slightly wrong or mixing up days is considered evidence of malfeasance.
250 likesIsn’t Canada part of the UK?
14 likesThat's why, here in America anyways, you never ever talk to police without a lawyer.
143 likeswhy did this cop sound english?
29 likes@Peterscraps this was in canada man. We have a lot of UK and Australian police here because of the laws they are able to get jobs as cops here fairly easy if they were cops in their home country
86 likes@crowtservo definitly not lol
12 likes@Giovanni Dracula canada has lots of cops from uk or Australia laws are similar so they can get jobs here
20 likesHello peterscraps who still wont mge me after i asked him in pancakes.tf discord voice call three years ago, nice take
5 likesMake no mistake the rcmp are a shifty bunch
5 likes@hbghawaii the guy was from south Africa based of accent alone. And being a resident of bc for 40 years I have yet to see any foreign law enforcement
7 likesHey, look. The funny TF2 man.
0 likes@TrueFO Files you might be right. Alberta here and we have tons of English and aussie cops
3 likes@HeadcrabN I've been watching the electro-swing too! haha
0 likes@Giovanni Dracula new zealander
1 likeViolence Is Fun it is scary, it’s what furthers the prison corporation of free labor here in America.
2 likesshoutout to 2010 when i grinded the headless horseman's axe then uninstalled
0 likesDon't talk to the police without a lawyer.
7 likesDamn it England wins again lol
0 likesThat’s not even close to the truth. They lie instinctively at every stage, as easily as they start most sentences with the word ‘Obviously’ and ILLEGALLY accept discounted and free meals in McDonald’s etc.
24 likesUK police are an absolute disgraceful gang of corrupt, unintelligent policy enforcers and revenue collectors in fancy dress costume that invent lies most toddlers would be embarrassed to repeat.
One of my best friends is a cop.
@hbghawaii At first I agreed with you, but I think we're seeing the same sentence the wrong way. He just meant to say that as a random fact about the UK and that he doesn't think Hamilton, Ontario is in the UK.
2 likesNever been in a cell, have you, Kenneth?
6 likes@Rybec From Canada see it now lmao thanks
0 likes@hbghawaii really? I NEVER met a single foreign cop all my life while living in Red deer and Edmonton
1 like@Kenneth McClain But the problem is that they sometimes tell them that they have evidence and convince them if they don't confess right then, they will be FUCKED. like they will say "oH JUst CoNfEss NOw aNd we'LL gEt YOu a GReaT deAl.. If YOu DOnt YoU'Ll geT aSs RApeD foR thE REst OF etErNity..." or whatever.
23 likesI was just about to say, the Pommy cop goes to the US, gets a job as an investigator; “sorry, what? We’re allowed to lie to the suspect? Well let’s lean right into that, then”.
4 likesWell, Britain tries to keep people out of jail, whereas America needs more inmates to keep a highly lucrative business and major employer going.
26 likes@TrueFO Files There was zero resemblance to a South African accent. 100% English yet on the cusp of changing to a Canadian accent.
21 likes@crowtservo bruh no
1 likeNot just in the UK. Generally Police in the US can lie about evidence too and it is not a constitutional violation.
1 likeI'll never forget the Canadian investigator that said the had satellite imaging using infrared that showed that the suspect was in the house.. and that bs convinced the suspect to admit guilt
12 likesHey Pete
1 likeLmao. He said he is happy the U.K. police can’t lie. You guys don’t even have constitutional rights. Cops can enter your home, can’t defend yourself, have hate speech laws and all kinds of stupid shit. People who talk to the police don’t understand their constitutional rights. Never talk to the police and always gets a lawyer. It’s that simple. Lmao dude said he is glad that the U.K. police aren’t allowed to lie about evidence they don’t have HAHAHA.
24 likesI mean it's shitty when ignorant people feel they have to confess over fake alleged evidence, but it works wonderfully to push truly guilty people into a corner and leads to many confessions as we have seen in the past on this channel.
0 likes@Violence Is Fun You sound scary to me!
0 likesThe American (and I guess Canadian as well, but I know the American system better) is so utterly broken. At every step of the way the cops, investigators, judges, forensic techs, etc can corrupt everything.
2 likescrowtservo get a geography book mate
1 like@Giovanni Dracula Sounded Aussie to me.
3 likesI wonder whether, statistically, there are more false-imprisonments in countries whose laws allow lying to suspects in an interrogation, versus those in which it's not.
5 likes@0000030331 He has plenty of bo experience. More than you could possibly imagine.
2 likes@Mostly Toasty I've come across several over the years, and that's just on Vancouver Island. I don't think its super common but the fact that the Commonwealth countries hire each other's citizens as police officers is pretty unique, and kind of cool, providing they're actually good, unlike this goof.
0 likes@Peterscraps I got arrested in the UK, age 16, they kept me in a cell for 11 hours before finally interrogating me. Throughout the 11 hours they offered me food and water about 15 times and brought them to me exactly zero times. Bare in mind I was technically still a child and they were actively making efforts to psychologically torture me. The UK police are as despicable as they come, in my eyes.
26 likes@Giovanni Dracula He's got an English/Canadian mix. I'm assuming the British police force threw him out because of his incompetence and he emigrated to Canada. 😤
8 likesUK police sucks though.. In my case they havent even tried to get evidence from relevant places, meaning the person who did it is sadly still walking around my town
10 likesCANZUK
0 likes@Harvest Crops I don't know why you think constitutional rights matter any more than other rights.
29 likesPolice cannot enter our home without a warrant or probable cause that a crime is occuring then and there, same as you. Only difference is when they enter our homes unannounced they don't shoot us and our family. No one in the UK has died from a wellness check, unlike America.
Peterscraps honestly lying is probably a good thing. You can call out the interrogators when they lie if you are innocent. Only an innocent person would know that video evidence would prove their innocence. If you can call out the police on their lies then you strengthen your defense.
2 likesThe cops in Europe are less corrupt than in the US and the rest of the world, that's a fact. Doesn't mean the Eurocops are perfect, but they're still the best there is.
9 likes(And they don't shoot us, nice bonus)
@Reynolds Kynaston Except that isn't your interrogation video, it's the police's and they can use it as they please. Calling out their lies doesn't help prove your innocence, it just gives you a chance to mess up. The only good thing you can do to prove your innocence against the police is get a lawyer to do it for you.
4 likesWell even that is a joke. Police I've dealt with in the UK still have property of mine and I've complained to almost every party and am just ignored.
4 likesche3se1495 police aren’t allowed to use their own lies as evidence but yes I agree a lawyer is always the best option
1 like@Keith Bentley I disagree
0 likes@Peterscraps unless they take him on Friday.....he will be held there till Monday...
0 likes@Harvest Crops Anyone that has dealt with UK police knows they will just fabricate evidence against you.
6 likes@Way Too old for this Had the same, got attacked with a weapon in the street all on CCTV, police refused to talk to me, refused to look at evidence which is a crime that can easily get them 12 months in jail and then fabricated the report to cover it up, in fact my town Harrogate in nationally famous for covering up crimes.
8 likes@John H I would rather it be illegal (not a huge punishment though) for saying something outright racist in a public place or forum, but have cops who cannot lie and entrap us during an investigation, than have the freedom to say racist shit but have super dodgy cops who can lie to you lol... You really that bothered that ya cant say racist or homophobic shit on twitter or whatever? Just dont be racist in public and you will be fine lmao
5 likes@DorrisGonnaWreckyou Problem is everyone wants their own little slice of tyranny, but when put together with everyone else's, you end up with the whole cake.
2 likessurprises me that that sort of interrogation and treatment of a suspect would happen in Canada which is very often held up as a country where individual rights (even for the guilty) are respected.
0 likes@Peyton Could you imagine how little would be accomplished in an undercover investigation if they couldn't lie though?
0 likes"Sup gang, what are we doing today?"
"Are you a cop?"
"Dangit. Yeah, you got me!"
@Simon Simon i disagree.
0 likesIf you don’t think UK police lie or play games with you you haven’t had much experience with them...
5 likes@TrueFO Files he's a brit, not SA
3 likes@Chad Kvænan Don't know about the situation in Canada, but in the UK, a commonwealth citizen (Candian, Australian, New Zealander, Fijian and so on) can work in the British Government from Civil Service (including the Police) to the Military. You can even stand in the office as a commonwealth citizens without getting British Citizenship.
1 like@A.C G lol, it didn't mean that at all.......
3 likesIn the PACE act in the UK does not only just outlaw Police lying to the suspect, but also limited the scope of the interview.
For example. If i were accused of killing a person in a bar, they can present fact that if my face was captured in the CCTV of the bar (ie, show you the photo or screen capture) but they cannot say "Hey, I got your face on the CCTV" if they were to make an accusation, they will need to back up with fact. If they do that and they cannot show you evidence of said thing happen, they are violating PACE act and that will have legal consequence.
Also, they cannot show you a CCTV footage of you 100 miles away from the crime scene, as that is irrevelent to the case
@crowtservo No. It’s a member of the commonwealth. The queen is their monarch but that is about where it ends. The UK is just England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
1 likeGreat Britain (GB) is England, Wales and Scotland. The British Isles is all of the above plus Ireland as a whole.
We like to be confusing.
@Kenneth McClain but it can also garner false admissions of guilt under duress, especially in young and vulnerable people. Remember the Central Park five?
3 likes@TrueFO Files nah - he was definitely English.
2 likes@Mostly Toasty Definitely not in the UK. Terminology was all wrong, we would say ‘solicitor’ not lawyer etc. We also can’t hold people for more than 24hrs without charge, and we can’t charge without evidence.
1 like@Harvest Crops police can’t enter your home without a warrant signed by a judge or they are invited in. You can defend yourself, recently a pensioner stabbed a burglar to death and he is as free as a bird. Laws against hate speech are a good thing - it’s not nice having lots of people being able to preach hate in the streets.
4 likesAnd we don’t have lawyers - we have solicitors and barristers.
@Peterscraps Bro i moved to Holland from the UK and the Dutch police don't (or barely) look into crime. If you report rape, getting kicked off a bicycle, or a fight breaking out at the local supermarket, the police will tell you not to bother filing a report. I think it's unofficially part of their semi-official ''tolerance policy'' which constitutes not prosecuting people for smoking cannabis but in reality seems to extend to all sorts of fine mess.
4 likesAlso there's only one flavour of crisps and it's paprika.
Don't get me started on the greed. I tried to be polite i tried to be apologetic (in true British fashion) i even tried adopting / embracing their culture but after 20 years of this shit it would be inhumanely indecent of me not to reject these repulsive ''qualities''. I must speak up about it because it seems these are not problems they are solving themselves.
To get the point across: It is not me who is saying the Dutch are greedy. It is literally the Dutch themselves who call themselves greedy. They are proud of it. The customer is always screwed over in Holland.
And when it comes to crime the Dutch have great crime statistics, after a decade it had finally dawned on me that this is perhaps due to a policy of ''turning a blind eye'' to others misfortune.
Just look at how Holland faired in the second world war. How many jews were deported from the UK? Not a single one if i recall correctly.
It gets worse the more you look into it. The core politics. Holland was practically secondary Germany or at the very least, considered as such. UK received ARTILLERY from Den Haag (The Hague) where all the ''rich'' Dutch politicans live. One must wonder how a ''neutral'' state in a time of war would allow the aggressor to bomb their neighbours from their own territory.
When you consider Holland literally had their own National Socialist party (which helped the nazis, and had a considerable following in the Netherlands itself) and a considerable number of Dutch people had betrayed the Jewish in hiding for nothing more than financial compensation it begs the question of where the line is drawn in terms of morality. More could be said about the matter but actually thinking about it disgusts me.
I have tried being apolegetic but how do you apologeticize a culture that literally prides itself on the claim of being the worlds greediest culture?!?
Of course you think to yourself, it can't be that bad. You say, you don't think they are greedy (out of respect) and they tell you that you don't understand. It is like they want you to call them greedy, as a compliment. Isn't that weird?
So after about a decade you get it. The entire economy in this country is based around screwing eachother (usually the end user / client / customer) over as much as possible. As a result everything is too expensive and you're always gettings scammed as a consumer. (better read those fine prints, else risk becoming one of the 33% of households that is in debt or had their bank accounts literally impounded by debt collectors) Yes apparently it's possible to have your bank account taken away from you in Holland and it's not too uncommon really.
Oh and if someone owes you money then threats of violence or whatever are seemingly acceptable i.e ''tolerated'' in ''the Netherlands''.
I can't explain it. I wish i could be apologetic about this. It feels like hell living here.
And they hate everything foreign. Seriously. They don't learn from other cultures (yet call themselves, seemingly reluctantly, a ''melting pot''). But they do make their own (fake) versions of foreign food. Remember Indian curries? Well the Dutch HATE spicy food, so you can (only) get a tikka masala that has sugar instead of spice. Hot indian curries simply do not exist in Holland (and they are supposed to be a so called spice nation. I believe everything they claim to be is a mere fantasy to be honest with you).
Remember salt and vinegar crisps? Wish i could.
They recently came up with their own version it tastes like piss.
The problem being: they literally watered down the vinegar, probably to save on production costs. They don't like giving value for money.
Currently contemplating wether or not to let my citizenship simply expire (due to brexit) and move back to the UK. I can't really find a good reason to stay here, other than that i made it so far. (sunken cost fallacy, fml).
Wish i could explain how crooked this place really is cause i've also contemplated fucking suicide over this, only to remember that other countries actually exist outside of this one.
1/3 of households are in debt here. That should tell you enough.
Should i tell you that the police will break into your home and allow the debt collectors to clear out your entire homes' worth of inventory? They're allowed to take HARD DRIVES from your computer too! Without wiping them!
It all then gets sold on a private auction for less than it's actually worth and there's no regulating agencies to check wether this is anything like a fair process.
In the UK a bailliff ain't allowed a foot inside your house or even look at your window the wrong way, unless you've really, really made a mess out of thing.
But no, in Holland you miss A SINGLE PAYMENT on a telecom bill and suddenly there's a man coming to tax the entire house that your family lives in.
I wish i was joking but that is what happens. The nazis are still operating in Holland, stealing peoples stuff, clothes and jewelry, that sort of thing.
And i'm also not joking about nazis. Holland is / was a brother country to Germany. Many Nazis moved to Holland. Probably many more decided to stay after Germany literally lost the war.
Man everything the Dutch tell you is a lie.
They're not ''greedy'' when greed is bad, they're ''frugal'' or ''zuinig''.
But they're not even frugal. They are quite wasteful. I don't get it. Everything they tell you about their country is a fucking lie.
''We have low crime rates'' Yeah especially when crime is openly tolerated or not even reported because the attitude of the police is to never see a problem (let alone solve it). Don't bother reporting. Not even if you have been mugged.
Out of the many times i have literally called the police in Holland the amount of times they looked into the problem was 0.
That's not an insignificant statistic.
But no lets all listen to the Dutch propaganda telling us how wonderful it is that the Dutch are sooooo tolerant (of the wrong things, i.e: crime) and open (which means being unapologetically rude) and have such a great progressive drug policy (weed is literally illegal in Holland, but there is a semi official and highly hypocritical blind eye policy regarding it) and such low crime statistics (because people are disencouraged from actually reporting crime, which obviously keeps the statistics very low)
And let's not forget what a wonderful ''melting pot'' culture they are (they're racist.)
With good old ancient traditions such as ''Black Pete'' which is definitely not racist because the Dutch people cannot see a single problem with their own traditions. Doing so would be admitting that the Dutch have problems and Dutch people generally don't do that.
They are such a great melting pot culture that they have no idea how to cook foreign food for the life of them. How does this get by the average Dutch citizen? How do you not look at the ''foreign'' food and realize this is not what they are eating outside of Holland?
Just don't mention words like corruption (never heard of it, doesn't happen here!) to a Dutch person or actually point out that a quality they are so proud of having is actually a bad thing. (because they will find a way to justify it)
And i am terribly sorry if this all comes across as rude but in that same regard i must say i have adopted this ''directness'' from the Dutch themselves. I am still having a hard time adapting to it, but i guess their culture must annoy themselves to such a point of frustration that they too, cannot maintain a level of eloquence talking about the matters.
@che3se1495 Why don't the Americans seem to get this?
2 likes@William Barnes That's not how democracy works.
1 like@William Barnes Granted, you've never known true democracy in your entire lifespan but still that's now how it works. In a democratic process, you should be able to confide in those who choose to uphold the virtues of your society. If not, then why are you even putting these people in places of authority? It is absurd.
2 likes@A.C G In the example you made, no lie was made.
0 likesThe honest defense to such an honest statement (again, as you claim no lie was made, therefore the claim is 100% sanctioned) would be ''Where did you have me on cctv''
or ''that is fortunate, for it will prove my innocence''.
Even if the police believe it is you on the camera who did the crime (but it is not) then the correct speech for this would be: ''We believe it is you who is on the camera doing the crime''.
When they say things such as ''it IS you who committed the crime on camera'' when the truth is you did not do such a thing, then an actual LIE as a statement or claim is made.
There's quite a clear line to be drawn here. And ofcourse the police can use mind games to aid in interrogation. That's what an interrogation is for...
I don't think you can compare this with what we just saw in the video. In Canada you can apparently just make stuff up, like ''we have your fingerprints on the stolen hardware''. I don't know how ethical this is, but i am sure at the least, the suspect MUST know the police are ALLOWED to lie in interrogation. Like, it should be part of their Miranda rights over there. I.E ''you have the right to remain silent, you also have the right to be lied to in face of interrogation''.
I mean i could just see myself easily agreeing to someone elses lie in an event of perhaps say, i had drank too much beer, or, it had been a significant time ago.
I mean if an investigator says to me ''1 year ago you at spaghetti'' I would literally tell him that it isn't impossible. But i don't eat spaghetti often, so it may also be unlikely. There's maybe too many variables in something like this as process. If your job is pursuing the truth, should you be using dishonesty to achieve such? Doesn't a fictional account add a layer of confusion to such a pursuit?
Lying to achieve the truth. It seems a bit counterintuitive, or perhaps even purpose defeating.
But no in your example above. If the police did indeed see you on CCTV then a truthful statement (regardless of what happened on the CCTV) would be ''We saw you on the CCTV (that day)''. So this line of questioning / interrogation is a valid form of discourse for deriving truth (from interrogation). It is a prompt, i.e the interrogatee must come with a response to assumably justify his appearance on CCTV (in that case, a truth, fact, cannot be denied)
I doubt the British police force is comprised of individuals who ask interrogative questions simply ''for no reason''. I.E: if you are being told they saw you on CCTV, then it is likely they want to know why you were near the crime or some other factor of relevance.
Hi peter
0 likesThe cop is English, very bad one!
0 likes@Keith Bentley changing from what accent exactly?
0 likes@Dawid Wojcik Somewhere in or around London.
0 likes@TrueFO Files Your totally wrong. Take fit rom us English, we can place a person within 20 miles of their hometown.
0 likes@Keith Bentley I'm allowed to be wrong. and even if he came on this thread and said hey im 100% English. i would have to agree. but just because south africa isn't a common wealth like our great nations. the accent originated in the UK regardless. i just so happen to be on my 4th south African doctor . south Africans are very common in canada. but end of the day id rather talk about how the RCMP are more crooked than the criminals. either way cheers to the common wealth friend may canzuk unite our nations as one.
0 likes@Hannah Whittle in the mid 1600's what empire colonized in South Africa ?
1 like@Simon Simon Im Ice English
0 likes@TrueFO Files The Dutch Empire.
1 like@Hannah Whittle yes them Weed Germans
0 likes@Simon Simon you foiled my plot to falsely declare my nationality. Now I have to figure out another way to insert the genetically modified neo monarchy into global power. if only I had agreed with my fellow Youtube commenters.
0 likes@crowtservo no
0 likesI also like that guns are illegal here and police are not armed as a result.
1 like@Kenneth McClain Police shouldn’t be allowed to lie because of their position in society, they should always hold the moral high ground.
2 likes@Christina Lies
0 likestry reading the book, The Clydach Murders.... corruption in the force from top to bottom SWP
1 like@TrueFO Files Nah man that isn't close to even an English Saffa accent. That's from the U.K 8000%
1 like@Nate Stokes No way in hell that's a Kiwi lol. I say this as a Kiwi/Saffa. That man is not From NZ, Aus or S.A and is almost 100% from England however could potentially be from Wales or even Scotland. There isn't a chance in Hell he's from NZ or South Africa.
2 likes@Vekoma1261 Again, This man is 100% from the U.K There's no way in Hell he's South African, Kiwi (at least those two I kind of understand even though they're obviously wrong) or Aussie (seriously, Aussie?).
2 likes@Simon Simon There's no way he's an aussie because surely an aussie would be able to tell the difference between what is clearly an english accent devoid of any South-African tinges.
2 likes@Vegan Pete Not quite correct. The British did colonise it yonks ago but it's not like you have parts or a part of the country that is 'British' There are people with English lineage yes, they're reffered to as english South-africans but just like Aus, Canada, NZ and many others They do not have an English accent...Going even further, A South-African accent sounds almost nothing like an english one. Someone saying he's had 4 South-African doctors yet he can't pick what clearly is not a S.A accent is absurd. Eng Accent genuinely sounds closer to NZ accent than S.A.
1 like@Vegan Pete Canada is a British commonwealth as are many many countries in the world. That does not mean they are "apart of Britain".
1 like@crowtservo It's part of the Commonwealth, which is a colonial relic from the heydays of the British Empire. Nations that are part of the Commonwealth are technically constitutional monarchies. The Queen is their sovereign but for all intents and purposes they are sovereign nations. Just whenever they pass laws, they have to receive "royal assent" from a delegate of the Crown. But this is perfunctory and done as a matter of course.
4 likesMy neighbor accused me of having my dog poop on his lawn and not cleaning it up. He said he had cameras installed and video of it. Ive never let my dog poop on his lawn and I carry a bag for each walk just in case. Its so infuriating to have someone tell you they have video of something you didn't do.
1 likeThe UK police have done just as bad, just look up all the spoons they saw as weapons or all the freedom of speech you don't have
2 likes@G58 oMg discounted mcdonalds?! This is a bigger scandal than jimmy saville! They should all be sacked immediately!!!
0 likesThe UK police also tolerate child sex abuse rings
1 likeHannah Whittle But they routinely do illegally enter homes without a warrant. They only have to claim “reasonable suspicion” or misuse section 17 and others.
0 likes@Peterscraps TBH, that would've been a weird and messed up prank.
0 likes@hbghawaii That Canadian detective is a sus.
0 likes@hbghawaii That Canadian detective is a sus.
0 likes@Violence Is Fun this was in canada
0 likes@Threewulphmoon canada = america its all the same, its not even a real place anyway. Its just where they set movies. Its like saying "far far away" or "a faraway land"; they mean the same thing. nobody is ever going to go to those places anyway, so who care? Only people who yake their fiction too seriously, in which case they need to get out more
1 likeYou think we don't have laws?
0 likesYou guys are deluded about the uk police. They hide evidence, lie to get a conviction, side with supposed 'victim's and remand people with no evidence...when put before a judge it is done by video link where you are stopped from talking and this all upheld by a corrupt legal system where defence lawyers drink coffee with prosecutors before trial. Those on remand often lose families, jobs, houses and when found innocent and let out after remand they are let out to homelessness....the uk criminal justice system is more corrupt than America. At least in america you can get better legal representation to appeal and fight injustice...in this country the police investigate themselves making it almost impossible to have things overturned without money.
0 likes@Kenneth McClain you are deluded....or a cop?
0 likes@Julz furthermore i ain't no cop fam, i'm currently awaiting sentencing yo 😂
0 likesits gonna be my second time being banged up so trust i ain't never getting in the police force 😂
@Violence Is Fun what are you going on about....how are people not educated on the corruption of our criminal system...they are educated and they are deluded because they choose to believe otherwise.... stop trying to win argument with non sensicle drivel....goodbye...
1 like@crowtservo What?
0 likesI love how in the UK it's guilty until proven innocent
0 likesIt makes perfect sense why also - If police can lie they can essentially strong arm and pressure innocent people into giving confessions under duress and the supposed threat of a harsh sentence and jail time. It's a common tactic in the US to force confessions and have innocent people accept a plea deal when they're confronted with the possibility of a harsh sentence for something they did not do. Not everyone is able to afford good representation or are knowledgeable enough to effectively maintain their innocence under such stressful circumstances. And as this video mentioned, because obtaining confessions is highly rewarding, the police are then motivated to use these tactics and to force convictions. When the objective is to simply arrest and convict rather than to ensure that justice is properly served, the police and the criminal justice system are warped into something unrecognisable to justice.This is one of many reasons why the USA has by far the highest incarceration rate in the world, you can imagine how a system which doesn't focus on catching the real criminals but simply looks to have anyone convicted for a crime would suffer greatly in this aspect. Several or even dozens of innocent people may be arrested before the true perpetrator is found, and if they pleaded guilty under duress to avoid a harsh sentence in many cases they will not be exonerated. Minorities, the poor, disenfranchised, and the vulnerable are often the victims of these kinds of tactics.
0 likesIn the UK the police just don't hand over evidence instead.
2 likesThey just don't do it on tape
0 likesThe UK justice system is still a joke overall. Johnny Depp had tons of video and audio evidence and somehow still lost
2 likes@crowtservo no.
0 likes@Peterscraps they also deprive the people of food,water,and sleep
0 likesThis cop sounds British........
0 likesThey are allowed to lie.
0 likes@hbghawaii
0 likesHere in Ontario I have seen a couple officers with accents but I'm not sure if they started out as cops over in their native countries or immigrated then became police.
@hbghawaii in London we have a LOT of Australian paramedics because their training is equivalent to the standard of training required in the UK.
0 likes@crowtservo - Not really. Canada is a country independent of the Uk, but recognizes the British monarchy, although Queen Elizabeth has no actual power over Canada.
0 likes@crowtservo give it 10 years and we will be lol .
0 likesAt least we can carry around a pair of needle nose pliers without getting arrested...
0 likesI do agree with you though they shouldnt be allowed to do anything they can to make you confess even if you are innocent..
@Peterscraps there is a huge difference from holding a suspect for 24 hours and charging someone with a crime and putting them in a cell. Still, the detective usually has to request the person stay in jail that long unless their system is clogged up.
0 likes@crowtservo No 🤣
0 likesUK has healthcare and ambulances dont cost so much. Also their jails werent so full there they had to release a bunch of criminals. How does the US still have a population? I moved out a wihle ago lmaoo.
0 likes@crowtservo no. Its the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. (GB being England, Scotland and Wales). Canada is part of the Commonwealth
0 likesWhat if you have undiagnosed bipolar identity and you're scared that maybe you did that?!
0 likesUnfortunately, police in the UK will jail you for tweeting a joke about the Polish.
0 likes100% wrong.
0 likeson top of that the black guyt that got arrested said that he told the officers when he got arrested that he just off the bus and that the bus driver was a witness that he just got off the bus so there was no way he was robbing the jewelry store and still they were arrogant enough to not even look into the lead that he provided them with.
0 likesThey do lie. I've had it done to me first hand
0 likesAnd thats why the uk has someone of the most crime in the world
0 likesAre they allowed to lie about evidence in Canada? That’s fucked
0 likes@Kimi Khaos that incident was in Canada not America. But yes really you shouldn’t talk without a lawyer when it comes to time you could be serving
0 likesI’ve seen vids of UK and Aussie cops lying and accusing during interrogations.
1 like@Lucky Louise exactly. What op said is the most subjective thing ever lmao. "Oh, in my country, cops dont lie and burglers always knock before entering!"
1 like@Kenneth McClain holy shit youre insane
0 likes@Violence Is Fun Not technically a "lie" to say that, I guess. It certainly could imply that they've confessed some sort of guilt, but "everything" could really mean anything.
0 likes@Peterscraps us cops can only hold someone for 24 hours as well. Also, corruption happens everywhere my guy the UK isn’t amazing
2 likesprivate investigators do lie about evidence they dont have, that happens!
0 likes@William Barnes I'd say that more than half of the American population doesn't know this: first of all, half of the country is Republican or otherwise conservative, for them cops are "the good guys", also, they see the cop TV shows and think that if you're innocent cops are your friends.
0 likes@Robotron Sage Hi, I'm from Italy and your comment about the Netherlands was an intetesting read.
0 likesAsde from their coronavirus recovery fund shenanigans and the shady way EMA's headquarters were relocated to Amsterdam instead of Milan, I remember that when a group of Dutch hooligans damaged one of our monuments their government didn't even apoplogized, the foreign minister said that it was (somehow) our fault.
P. S. Come to Italy, while I'm afraid that our police is not much better than the Duch one, at least people is generally nicer.
@Souljastation 5 Cops are never your friends. They are your ally if you're not a criminal. But never your friend.
0 likesI doubt every uk cop follows this law or whatever.
1 likeI mean cops all over the world dont follow the laws they enforce lol..
the messed up part is the celebratory tone that this channel and some of its viewers take when that same manipulation is used against guilty peoples. That's why it's so enabled, because the people are fine with the emotional toll inflicted on already emotionally vulnerable people as long as it indulges their twisted sense of justice from time to time
0 likes@Kimi Khaos that is true no matter where you live. Police are in the interest of the government, and the government is not your friend.
1 like@Violence Is Fun weathermen
1 like@ReyCo47 yeeeah! you know about The Weathermen bruv 👌👌
0 likesOh heya Peter
0 likesNot like they won't do it though.
0 likesLol you all mad at the wrong people here, the police are like messaging birds.
0 likesAttacking them gets you no where, its the government who lets this happen you should be mad at.
@Peyton worse they can arrest any one of us for no good reason while they don't have to self-identify, wear uniforms or badges or anything.
0 likes@Matthew Wehri can't trust criminals either cause if they attack us and we defend ourselves and they turn out to be undercover cops after the fact we're fucked
0 likes@Jon H yeah but undercover cops aren't supposed to stop people in the street because they "match" some dodgy description of a purported dangerous felon without identifying themselves as police first (James King incident)
0 likes@Edward Miessner What does that have to do with what I said?
0 likes@Violence Is Fun the police force is the best place to be a felon cause they'll never convict you of a felony unless it's so bad it garners local media attention (ex: Timothy Runnels who tased a kid to death and the EMTs had to revive him)
0 likes@William Barnes If you're not a criminal but you "match the description" they are not your ally either
0 likes@Peterscraps You might believe that but its false, the police can dawdle about and maliciously investigate people. Suspects are left in jail over a weekend and their next of kin are not informed. I follow a guy who was arrested in Scotland, single father and they didn't even tell anyone to pick up his son.
0 likes@Harvest Crops "Cops can enter your home" False. Unless you've been charged with an indictable offence the cops cannot enter your home in the UK. The problem is whether the police follow the law, they don't in the UK and they don't in the US; accountability of enforcement is the main weakness in the justice system and its re-enforced by the cozy relationship courts and state governments have with each other.
0 likesYou can't be serious...
0 likesAs a Brit I'd heard the rule that you don't answer questions from cops in America without first speaking to a lawyer and always thought to myself "wow that's a really defensive and unnecessary precaution - when you're innocent, just answer questions as you have nothing to hide, surely". Then I researched US law and started seeing videos like this and thought "wow the system is fucked up in the US, no wonder you're advised to keep your mouth shut".
0 likes@Robotron Sage Wow.....
0 likesSame in the U.S. cops can't lie about evidence.
0 likesAlso what was this British reject doing in Canada with BS investigations like this? He should have stayed in the UK.
0 likesThat's why never ever ever talk to the police without a lawyer present, whether you are innocent or guilty.
0 likes@Randall Flagg LOL tell that to grooming gang victims.... the rape victims of savile, and westminister....
0 likes@YourPalHDee I feel your pain man, I have also been let down when I was 18 and was forced to accept a caution for a crime I never committed, no interview was done for it and it was the only thing on my record. The police in the UK don't seem to care about the book or evidence, or doing things properly and there are terrible people who work as officers honestly.
0 likes@crowtservo Canada is NOT part of the UK, but they are part of The Commonwealth.
0 likes@kc B - Tell then what? That Eurocops are comparitively less corrupt than the ones from most other countries? That's not exactly a controversial opinion...
0 likesThat must be a new thing, because when i was being interviewed, about 15 years ago, they told me they had me on CCTV. I denied it to the end, and then the police couldnt even find enough evidence to send it to court.
0 likes@Randall Flagg how do you come to that conclusion?
0 likesAre they not people or something?
I'd say euro cops are more corrupt.
@Peterscraps unless they are held on suspicion of terror offences then it can be up to a week.
0 likesLying to get the truth out of a suspect it's perfectly fine. If he's guilty, he may confess. If he's not, he'll simply deny everything and, since it's a lie, it won't hold up and they'll be released.
1 like@Giovanni Dracula Australian not English
0 likes@Violence Is Fun an interrogator should lead a suspect to stumble on his words and retract things he has said to clearly show the truth told isn't truthful and is made on the spot or thought up with, fabricated. To emotionally extort someone to make them think there is no hope for them won't make someone confess because they'd still try just for the sake of it since they got nothing to lose. To someone innocent it will just extort them into nerovisty that might make them falsely admit or stress them out in the answers.
0 likesThe police in the UK can legally arrest you and hold you for 14 days without charge if they want to by claiming that you're suspected of terrorist related activities (which could be something as innocent as handing out specific printed information, or having visited a number of different websites).
0 likesSo, although you might like to think that the police couldn't just turn up to your house and whisk you away for a fortnight without even charging you , the fact is that they can
And if your name is Mohammed, and you're a Muslim, then they probably do.
hello Peterscraps I am JCS but believe it or not i am not linked to this channel. I got my name from TF2 which should make me cooler than the other JCS channel. make sure to say hi back for i will become happier if you do.
0 likesI see you are not from the UK then.
0 likesI heard that in uk refusing to answer questions can be used against you. Is that true? In the US you can say "I will remain silent until I see my lawyer. I want to see my lawyer" or something like that.
0 likesUk police 👌🏼
0 likesUk police is the best
0 likes@crowtservo Nope, it is an independent country but part of the British Commonwealth of Nations.
0 likesyou actually believe your police dont lie too? they do, and its your fault
0 likesi didn’t expect to see you here
0 likes@Dj alemão im from new york. our police protested claims of police brutality by saying they were following orders. you know, the exact defense used in the nuremberg trials.
0 likesBut they can lie about the case to the public.
0 likesDid not expect to see you here
0 likes@Harvest Crops "You guys don't even have constitutional rights" that's because the UK doesn't have a codified constitution - the UK operates under common law, instead of being limited to an unchanging constitution. The US operates under a similar system: even the first amendment could be repealed if it got a supermajority against it (which would probably never happen). In the same way, public pressure would (probably) stop free speech from being violated by parliament.
0 likesA quick Google search says that police can only enter your house if they have a search warrant (and if the evidence is false, you could probably claim damages for said warrant), or if you're suspected of a serious crime (because, shock horror, a terrorist isn't going to open the door to the police and have a nice chat). I agree hate speech laws are stupid, but it's not a violation of free speech. Free speech only applies to the speech against the government, and you can call the government whatever you like.
@Peterscraps This is Canada
0 likesUK police continually lie about whatever they want, they're incredibly corrupt.
0 likesLiving in America , we are taught that the police could take our lives at any time , so it’s best to Be submissive and overly respectful when u meet them on the street.
0 likesNo one is,but the punishment are different
0 likes@Running Production In the United Kingdom, citizens of all 53 Commonweath countries are treated as if they are British citizens, provided they have permanent residence [unlimited leave to remain].
0 likesThey can vote in all elections, stand in all elections, join the police, civil service, defence forces, etc.
Irish citizens also have all those rights, plus there is complete freedom of movement between UK and Ireland. Irish citizens are considered "settled" as soon as they arrive, and eligible for NHS, benefits, etc from day one.
@Hannah Whittle Traditionally the geographical expression "British Isles" included all of those islands, but the Irish don't like it, so it is more usual to say "GB and Ireland" rather than the British Isles.
0 likes@Redmond MacDonagh It doesn’t really matter if the Irish’s feeling are hurt in honesty. It’s still the British Isles as the correct term to refer to it as a whole.
0 likesIf you just said Great Britain and Ireland you will have missed out all the other little islands like the IOM etc that aren’t in GB but are in the British Isles.
Just because they don’t like it doesn’t make it true.
@Redmond MacDonagh Think that's ""Indefinite Leave to Remain" unless Home Office changed its name.
0 likesBut yes, I have a few Australian and Canadian friend who went to the UK to served in the British Army, you dont actually need a ILR to get a government job there actaully, as long as you have enough stay in your visa (And they generally extend it if you are aplying for a governmental job) you only needed to be a Commonwealth CItizen.
But I have no idea about Ireland tho.
Here the police doesn't need a warrant. Finland that is. It's just a phone call to their superior and they can kick your door down. They smell weed way too often.
0 likesalso were so lucky to have the entrapment law. like that dillia case uk police would have arrested her soon as they new she had even mentioned having her husband killed. where as in the us they set up a whole case using a fake undercover officer posed as a hitman and then called her on the day telling her to return home as he had been killed. the us police will literally make a case as serious as they can and allow you to hang yourself long before letting you o there in on the whole thing. its nothing but a "SET UP' and that should be illegal everywhere as it is here. just like when the trick people in to fake drug deals its all about the officers gaining promotion by making a case more serious than it already is
0 likes@BRICKTOP Entrapment is not legal in the US either....You cannot "Set Up" your mark if you gone undercover. And there are a very narrow way to target on what you can achieve, both coercion and "stick and carrot" method are not allowed. However, you are allowed to lied (well, the whole undercover operation is based on lies anyway)
0 likesUndercover Work is actaully quite similar between US and UK, actually, come to think of it, UK and Canada have a more lax undercover law that allow a certain degree of tactics to get the target, including the notorious Mr Big method, also, If i reember correctly, "Stick and Carrot" are allowed in the UK .
@Peterscraps That and as a brown guy in the UK, I largely trust the police here
0 likes@Keith Bentley I dunno. It might not be as bad as the US here but a lot of people want retribution instead of rehabilitation
0 likes@The Leopard Holy hell. Harrogate! I imagine they're trying to protect their "middle class spa town" status
0 likesHow you can legally tell a suspect you have evidence when you don't is beyond me. Gaslighting someone like that is inhumane.
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Sadly, it is legal. I dont know what type of fucked up law this comes from, but the Police are allowed to/ some encourage using deception or trickery to get a confession out of the defendant.
704 likesOn the flip side, You can be arrested and charged if the cops think you're lying to them. Falls under Class B misdemeanor to “knowingly” make a “false statement” to a police officer if it is considered “material to a criminal investigation.”
Ridiculous, in my opinion.
@Jacob Parrekar That's not sadly. It's an effective tact.
104 likes@SuperBROKEN81 Effective sure. But sometimes you cant help but feel for the suspect when they're truly innocent. Leads to one disaster to the other.
286 likes@Jacob Parrekar Ok, but don't say sadly it's legal or it's a fucked up law. I got bagged by police because they they said I was caught on cameras. I had no clue I was ratted out. If I knew that I would have been able to go home that night. So it never became a drawn out investigation. Thankfully I became a better person.
35 likes8 years later I walked into the precinct and thanked them.
@SuperBROKEN81 Perhaps. But theres always two ways of looking at things. I cant argue with your logic, because it does make sense as well. But judging from a more humane point of view, I dont consider that a very fair play. But whatever floats their boats i guess? Good on you for reforming
72 likes@jbearmike96 ok scrub
9 likes@jbearmike96 Of course they laughed. So? Interrogation is a game. Yeah I thanked them. WTF They saved my life and no one even knew. I learned 2 years in that I had a hit squad hiding in my apt. Funny thing is dudes on the street talk more then women.
14 likes@SuperBROKEN81 i was just fuckin around dude...jeez
32 likes@jbearmike96 I have no clue if your trolling. I just know you never did dirt and honestly I thought you were an SJW. I was willing to tell my experience being locked up. I only met 1 guy that I thought was innocent. That's why people left him alone . Same tactics in the video, guy caved because the detectives offered him a deal. 10 years with good behavior. So he confessed to something he never did.
11 likesHe was released when the person got bagged. Keven never even got money because he confessed in 5 hours. I find that bullshit, but it is what it is.
@SuperBROKEN81 wtf is a SJW?
10 likesCops should not be allowed to lie, EVER.
18 likes@SuperBROKEN81 I'll take "things that did not happen" for $500 Alex. What does boot polish taste like?
36 likes@Jerk Of All Trades Don't know, ask your pops
4 likes@cryomancer Thanks for the input! Now you can go back to Twitter and post about it to all the SJW's.
4 likesIf anything, "romanticizing" as you put it, the street got me 8 years of my life.
@Jacob Parrekar That's why I don't understand why people still talk to the police without a lawyer present. JUst ask for a lawyer when this happens and they are required by law to provide you one (public defender).
23 likes@Remzi Cavdar Requesting a state appointed attorney is the dumbest thing you could do after being arrested. No one wants to spend time locked up waiting for a public defender. Its safe to assume that in a situation like this the average person would trust that they can quickly absolve themselves by pleading their case with the cops.
7 likesbecaue if you are really innocent, you ask "proof of what? show me please". If you did something, it would put doubts in your head
6 likesI support it for murder cases. Finding a killer trumps People’s feelings. If they didnt do it they will get through the interrogation just fine
6 likesI think it's only if they already know enough about the crime or have enough evidence. They can't just say out of nowhere that they have stuff if they don't. For example, there was one case where there were three suspects. The officers told the one suspect who did commit the murder that the other two already confessed, even though they didn't. That made the murderer confess since he believed his buddies did, too. That's the right way to do it. What the officer did in this video is appalling and not true to justice at all, so it was right that he was demoted.
2 likes@PolySciWhy? sure, until you realize the issue isn't about "people's feelings". it's about highly strategic emotional and psychological manipulation tactics used during an extremely high-stress, likely even traumatic, situation. police are taught to manipulate the suspect in any way necessary, as long as it results in a confession. if the cops think you did it? then you did it. reality be damned, they found an answer they like and they'll do what it takes to make that answer into the new reality. just go look up the innocence project. or literally any case like the one in this video where the accused is later exonerated. coerced confessions and many, many other wrongfully incriminating results come from this very manipulation tactic that police use. it's far more common than you think. innocent until proven guilty, an arrest does not denote guilt. coercing a confession is wrong regardless of the suspect.
15 likesThere should be a constitutional amendment guaranteeing compensation for the innocent and penalties for abuse like gaslighting.
3 likes@max was here im a grown man almost 50. Im well aware it happens sometimes. But i fully support it for murder cases. Because it works. Look at every video in this playlist. They all used it to get confessions. Had they not those killers would be free.
3 likes@jbearmike96 So if they are actually guilty, they'll be more likely to confess, however these cops just fucked up the whole thing.
2 likes@SuperBROKEN81 It is 'sadly'. Dishonesty be in any aspect doesn't lead to truth, and if you think them lying here is ok, are you also ok with them lying in court about you?
7 likes@PolySciWhy? no. You don't understand.
2 likes@Aloysius Devander Abercrombie i think the opposite is true here. I made it crystal clear why.
1 likeSometimes
0 likes@tabularasa Let me take this in steps. Obviously I'm trying to write in a format with a higher education level than I actually have.
1 likeConcerning the video and the empathy, if I really think about it, no. They caved. Is it messed up that they are going to get locked up, yes.
As a person that lived in Central Booking, I've seen rapists, murderers and pedophiles. Going into rikers Island, same crap. Going upstate, same song and dance.
They all got bagged using the same techniques that we seen in the video.
In the video, I don't know what the detectives were actually thinking. Did they honestly believe the guy was guilty? One guy never committed a crime in his life while another guy was always getting locked up.
Actually, I do feel bad for the first guy. Not the second guy. His life choices put him into that situation.
I didn't feel any particular way when I was myself put into this type of situation, that was multiple times. I only got locked up when I actually did it.
Getting locked up is the equivalent of becoming a doctor.
that is standard police interviewing procedures and has been so as long as i have been alive and i am 57
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar Yep that's right, and it's an area where reform is needed. If an innocent person becomes convinced there's evidence against them, and that their conviction is assured in spite of their innocence, they may enter a false confession and guilty plea in order to minimize the impact on their lives. For example, if the crime carried a sentence of 5 years in prison, but could be plead down to two years probation and community service, an innocent person may be persuaded to accept guilt in order to avoid prison. They would be haunted by a criminal record for the rest of their lives, and the actual guilty party would walk free. It's the sort of injustice that shouldn't occur in a society which prides itself on sound jurisprudence.
5 likes@SuperBROKEN81 Sadly your opinion on prison is exactly that, an opinion, the largest portion of prisoners in the state and federal system are drug offenders, NOT violent or sexual offenders. Since its official beginning in the 1980s, the number of Americans incarcerated for drug offenses has skyrocketed from 40,900 in 1980 to 430,926 in 2019. Furthermore, harsh sentencing laws such as mandatory minimums keep many people convicted of drug offenses in prison for longer periods of time: in 1986, people released after serving time for a federal drug offense had spent an average of 22 months in prison. By 2004, people convicted on federal drug offenses were expected to serve almost three times that length: 62 months in prison.
7 likesAt the federal level, people incarcerated on a drug conviction make up nearly half the prison population. At the state level, the number of people in prison for drug offenses has increased nine-fold since 1980, although it has begun declining in recent years. Most are not high-level actors in the drug trade, and most have no prior criminal record for a violent offense.
Furthermore, about one adults in three will use drugs, and just about all of them will NOT have problems with addiction....that's right, the overwhelming majority of drug users never become addicts, and even the ones that DO become addicted should NOT be criminalized, because it's a medical issue....and this isn't "SJW" stuff you whatever shortcut to thinking you want to take, this is literally medical consensus among the medical community....do we lock up obese people for overeating? Do we lock up diabetics who continue to eat sugary foods? Hell, we don't even punish people who get heart transplants and continue to eat diets high in cholesterol, the reason why they needed the transplant to begin with, so how is it justified with substance addiction? It can't be justified with medical science, that's for sure.
While I'm no armchair psychologist, you display many of the characteristics of Authoritarian Personality type, namely an obsession with punishment, a belief that we live in a black and white world where things are either altogether good or altogether evil, a belief that without coercion people would be rampantly murdering and raping each other....I'm going to go ahead and guess you're a trump supporter, probably proclaim to be religious, probably christian, though you probably have very little knowledge or care for the actual teaching of jesus such as forgiveness, compassion, love, humility, etc and merely see religion as a tool for power and to control people, you probably think "politics" is a conspiratorial plot, probably perpetrated by liberals to get "you" or those who think like you, probably have never spent anytime thinking about how you've become the person you are, probably had at least one dominating and repressive parent, though more likely a dominating parent and a submissive one to instill in you the characteristic of "authoritarian submission" (blindly submitting to established authority)....and I don't say this to be insulting, but this is literally what all the peer-reviewed research into Authoritarianism has shown people like you believe...the point is, if you're going to make grandiose, blanket statement, best back them up with facts and research....unless facts are too "sjw" for you and you only operate on emotions like a snowflake
That's why you always get a lawyer...Any lawyer worth their retainer is going to know that %80 of what Police say is a lie, and know how to reveal their bluff...
3 likesStop. 99.9% of the time it's necessary and the suspect deserves it. It's a bluff, not psychological torture.
5 likesThats what you would say after committing a crime
1 likeThat is not what gaslighting means
0 likes@Raul Passos Uh...Yes. It most certainly IS! Perfect example! Using lies, and deception to manipulate someone for personal gain...
1 like@Brent Farvors using lies for "personal gain" is just lying. Gaslighting is quite specific in that involves a sort of "manipulation" where you make people doubt themselves and lower their confidence in order to make them more reliant on you for decision making. Most commonly it's done through making people doubt their memory. Hence the name. Saying you have evidence against someone who knows themselves to be innocent isn't gaslighting, because the prosecutor thinks the guy actually did it.
2 likesThis is a common misconception that people do where they make it more similar to lying so not like it's a big deal, but it's important to keep them distinct
it’s not inhumane it’s a good tactic of getting actual guilty people to confess
1 like@Red Paint Spray 👏🏼
1 like@SuperBROKEN81 Maybe you didn't catch the part where the interrogated black man was awarded nearly $50,000 for this level of disingenuous persecution and that every officer involved in this disgrace was let go without pay. Apparently the judge and anyone with common, ethical sense disagrees with your defense of lying and conjuring up false witnesses just to send a scapegoat to prison. You've also ignored the fact that one actually went to prison for two years and you're still defending that shit. Ever occur to you that maybe with that kind of thinking you should have stayed in prison a little longer than you did?
3 likes@Chris Lennon Damn! That was actually pretty good. It's nice to know there's people out there that actually know the data and the inconsistencies and even criminal protocols of our sad legal system. But honestly, if you keep making logical arguments like that most of the heads on this stream are going to explode from having to face their cognitive dissonance.
2 likes@SuperBROKEN81 "Dudes on the street talk more than women." Very true!
2 likes@Jacob Parrekar There's not always two ways of looking at things.
0 likesYah, it's called being Australian.
0 likes@jbearmike96 oh, look at youuu, so cute all grown up, doin dirty thingies 😍🤣
1 like@tabularasa oh dude... if you said that hundreds, or thousands of people are wrongfully incarcerated, maybe your entire comment would be worth something
0 likes... hundreds of thousands, really?!? Are you serious? Who tf beleives that shit?? Is that statistics from some "organisation's" website, or is it from real life?
Get a grip.
@Mofo McAssy ...I don't mean to be rude (like you have been to me)-- but have you ever taken a history class? Do you know how many thousands of years humans have been locking each other up? When I say that "there are hundreds of thousands of innocent people that have been wrongly imprisoned," that's probably a low estimate. Humans are absolutely rotten and cruel when it comes to doling out punishment. How about we add in the number of people who have been wrongly imprisoned and then wrongly executed? We'd be in the millions. Think about the second World War. Think about the colonial era. Imperialism is devastating to human life, absolute carnage. There has been so much injustice, enslavement, death-- and the habits die hard. It continues to this day. Go "get a grip" yourself. And go read a history book.
4 likes@tabularasa okay, I do apologise, I thought you were referring to a number of people that are wrongfully imprisoned right now in the US...
0 likesThat said...
Your comments are a weltschmerz cry... topic discussed is a modern day police interrogation ways, and you are talking about a total number of wrongfully incarcerated people in history, in ww2, because you think you look smart..? You are involving political and war imrisonments, and comparing them to "regular" modern day criminal ones..? And yes, all those things are very related, the past and the present, because they are a part of human nature, I do know.. but, we could broaden the subject in so many different ways, and the fact is your comments are a bit useless- u used a lot of words, to defend wrongful imprisonment, in all the wrong ways..
It really doesn't matter if you or I were rude in the comment section on a YouTube video, either. It's still not a crime to be 😉
@Jay Beam Exactly!!! The people in this comment section are delusional... to say the least...
0 likes@Mofo McAssy Ugh, I'd love to leave this one alone, but here you're saying that I "used a lot of words to defend wrongful imprisonment"? WTF. How does an idea so wrong spring forth? You really should have stopped writing after your apology. I would have accepted that and moved on. The subject is not broadened. I made a general statement of fact. You yourself have acknowledged its relevance to human nature. The end. Or at least it should have been. Yet you go on to insult me anyway. You have mastered the "useless" comment, congratulations
4 likesIt is perfectly reasonable to trick a suspect. If the suspect is quilty then they have to make up lies and making up lies can land you in a position where you forgot the lie you told before. Tricking suspect to run around in circles constantly repeating the lies creates potential situations where they slip up.
0 likes@SuperBROKEN81 How do you discredit data, that suggests that conservatives ideas may be the result of a lower IQ and therefore lesser genetic quality, considering that we see a correlation between higher levels of education which is indicative of higher IQs and left leaning voting behavior.
2 likes@Luke P true dat...it wouldn't work on myself but time and time again...stories of innocent people takin someone else's case is insane to me. Good point tho. Most people don't even know they can walk out anytime and end the interrogation as long as they haven't been arrested.
2 likesIt usually helps to bring out the truth faster. If the suspect (who is guilty, unlike in this case) thinks that there’s already enough evidence to prove that they’re guilty, they’ll probably just confess. there wouldn’t be any point to fight, right?
0 likesbut the way and innocent person handles it is different.
Reasons the 5th exists!
2 likes@Jacob Parrekar safest bet is staying silent
1 like@Jacob Parrekar ah yes lets not allow gaslighting to fucked up criminals can get past by simply not being lied to. Its the same vibe as believing undercover cops have to tell you they are a cop
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar can I just comment on how civilized your debate was? Just the two of you, from the first few comments, were able to present your information and thoughts on a matter without personally attacking the other person and were also willing to give deeper thought into what the other person had to say. That is a rarity on the internet, I salute you.
2 likesEspecially when you know they can't possibly have ANYTHING that proves your guilt
0 likesNot really. Suspects are there voluntarily. They can leave anytime since they’re not under arrest. That said, it’s not illegal to lie to them.
0 likesIt is inhumane.
0 likesI got picked up by police when i was 17 and i had no clue what for until they shoved pictures of a severely beaten up blind guy in front of my face and told me they had evidence of me robbing the guy.
I thought my life was over then and there and i was looking for ways out.
They've deliberately put me into a mental state of fight and flight when this was totally unnecessary and it could have cost lifes as my mind went to all worst places possible like taking the officer's gun and trying to shoot my way out or die trying but there's no way im gonna sit idly by when people drag my families' name trough the dirt like that.
Police done me dirty before, creating situations where they could fine me for nonsense, lying, allowing my ex boss to steal from me and refusing to file a report against him..
Absolute scumbags
this is canada though
0 likeswe don't have a constitution
Happens every single day. Pure evil.
0 likesits psychological torture imo
1 like@PolySciWhy? It is a tactic that will produce false confessions, even in murder cases.
3 likes@Kultmannen Kultmannen No. Thats simply not true. Innocent people do not confess to murder. And furthermore the accusations dont always bring charges w out evidence
0 likes@PolySciWhy? You could atleast try to check it out before you dismiss it.
6 likesMany convicts of murder that are being exhonerated in the USA, now that DNA evidence can clear som people. Among those, statistics show +20% had confessed to the crime. Despite muany years later being proven innocent.
Granted that also has to do with the fact that you in the USA can get a more leniant sentence if you plead guilty.
Which is also a problem, making ppl confess even when they didn´t do the crime, in hopes of not getting life-or death.
Are you familliar with the Milgram experiment by any chance? That experiment should tell you what it is possible to coerce a normal human to do, with the combination of pressure and authority.
The experiment, showed that in 1 hour, you could get 80% of people to kill another human being. Simply by using authroity, pressure, and putting them in a specific situaiton. Read about it, it will open your eyes to how fragile we are to outside pressure.
They can do it because the definition of "evidence" is so fluid.
0 likesWhat's said is that he is talking to police instead of invoking his 5th amendment and going to sleep
0 likesI understand it completely but think It should only be used in high-profile cases. In the case of Jennier (I don't know the last name, I apologize) she read told they have Satalite footage of inside the house on the day of a murder case, witch eventually led to her confessing to murdering her mother in cold blood. I think it falls under the category of intimidating and helplessness. Really only high profile cases should use it, but this defiantly shows the importance of having a lawer, kids. Having someone sit beside you keeps you calm, knowing they are on your side and can call out the bullshit of the interagators.
0 likes@Jerk Of All Trades Innocents have nothing to fear from this strategy. Like michael in the video, just express your innocence and the strategy will fall apart.
0 likes@Aloysius Devander Abercrombie But but it happened to SuperBroken81 once and he claims he's the better person for it, so deceit must be a sweet tactic. Who cares the innocent get locked up, being lied to help him and that's all that matters apparently.
0 likesprobably said to you already, but you'd have a different viewpoint when this tactic is used on people who ARE guilty. If lying to someone makes them confess to a murder it allows us to put a piece of shit in jail. Unfortunately this could also trick innocent people into getting caught in the crossfire and taken instead. Although you would hope evidence shows you're innocent.
0 likesIt should be illegal. Its beyond inhumane its insane and i mena that literally, it haplens without sanity, and its beyond any shodaw of reason
1 like@Little Dude Disagree
0 likesPeople who give false confessions are either weak minded, poorly educated about the legal system, or both.
0 likesIt's a valuable tool in the police's toolbelt & you'd be surprised just how many awful people are off the streets because of this tactic. The solution isn't to remove this from the playbook. It's to educate citizens on the process.
Also, it's not gaslighting. This is just lying. Gaslighting involves lying, but they aren't the same thing.
While it may indeed be effective, so is waterboarding. This video makes me so angry. We seriously need a complete overhaul of our criminal justice system.
4 likesYep. Was told in the past during a false interrogation that they had me on “pin camera”. Which was never true. They must bonus the more people they get to be convicted.
1 likena its necessary
1 likeThis is why you’re not supposed to answer any questions until a lawyer is present
2 likesIt's not legal where I live. (Germany)
2 likesThis "Tactic" is standard these days
0 likesProfessional liars....
1 like@PolySciWhy? Not necessarily, it's very well documented that cops have held their innocent victims in cells for days, weeks, months at a time until a person breaks down and confesses to something they never did. Furthermore, reiterating "why did you do it?" is a tactic to build false evidence for the prosecution in a trial because any answer beyond a simple "No" CAN and WILL be used AGAINST YOU. Investigators, are people too, thus, some are lazy, some are racist, some are egocentric, some are simply there for the pay, etc. I used to think in the same way you do, until i got arrested and learned the hard way, THE TRUTH DOES NOT SET YOU FREE. If you ever end up at the wrong place at the wrong time, just keep your mouth shut like a vault and lawyer up, they already decided you're guilty.
1 like@Sean McDonnell actually dont even need to have confessed for that to happen. The tactic itself is entirely necessary though. Keep watching interrogations JCS Inspired. You will see. Thank god they do this!!!
0 likes@SuperBROKEN81 You did a bad thing did time and learned your lesson good for you. However that doesn't mean every cop is an angel and dirty tactics are always good.
1 likeOnly in the police state that is the US. Not legal in Europe
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar - pls qualify that - it is legal in the US.
0 likes@PolySciWhy? That's poor interrogation training. I have seen much more effective techniques in other countries.
0 likes@Gerhard Mack says anonymous guy on internet
1 like@PolySciWhy? You have ignored multiple people telling you that this sort of interrogation technique produced false confessions. Multiple studies back that up.
1 likeThe Canadian (At least RCMP) and the British both use a question/ confuse / question approach where they run through your story, go out of their way to distract/ confuse you, then ask the same questions again. If the person is lying, they forget their story and then the police can pick apart variations between the two stories.
Years ago, they did it to me and at the end, I got completely confused had to pause a moment to recall the details again. I wasn't sure what just happened but I was sure glad I was telling the truth. I later learned that it was something they were trained to do.
@Gerhard Mack im well aware that ALLEGEDLY this is the case. But its not this technique of feigning knowledge that is the problem Einstein. Its that they actually act on it with charges. People confess during charges. If they confess before charges, thats stupidity. We are discussing two different worlds.
1 likei think this has been. ore helpful than not
0 likesIf its legal then it needs to be legal to use them. I would be so angry if i spent the night in jail cause some hard ass cop lies
0 likesIn the US, it’s totally legal for police to flat out lie to suspects. It’s legal, so they do it all the time!
1 like@PolySciWhy?
0 likesHmm, that’s pretty naive.
@Jacob Parrekar I’m with you on this one. The logic is sound and makes sense for both viewpoints, it’s just sad when an innocent person is convicted for something they didn’t do
0 likes@sheepthehack If a thug smashes my grandma over the head he's going to have to do a lot of digging first.
0 likesin most countries it is illeagel i dont understand how the american police can still do thise
0 likes@Christian Elbæk Nope.. in the UK its perfectly legal.. im pretty sure there is a version in EVERY country.. if u have 2 suspects.. the oldest trick in the book is to tell the other perp that his friend has told them everything.. ive seen this done in so many tv shows and documentaries.. in lots of different countries.. so im not sure where u get ur information from.
1 like@Ziggy This made me LOL.. good stuff!
0 likesI thought it was illegal..
0 likes@SuperBROKEN81 It's one of the tactics responsible for many false coinvictions because innocent people falsely admit commiting crimes to reduce sentences out of the sheer desperation cause by this. It's not "effective", as effectiveness means getting criminals convicted, not innocent people. It's the polar opposite of an effective tactic, it's an abusive vehicle to reduce actual police work.
0 likesPretty disgusting
0 likesIt's allowed in third world countries only :)
1 like@Noni Boi Only honest response.
0 likesdude ur pfp is fucking amazing
0 likesCause they can legally lie to you and get you to admit to doing things you never did.
0 likesI don't see you people talk shit about this tactic when it works on a guilty criminal
0 likes@Ivin3690 I'd rather 10 guilty people go free than see one innocent man behind Bars
1 like@Myrtle Fishing yikes that probably sounded better in your head
0 likesPolice tactics
0 likes@Ivin3690 it's a famous quote you droll
0 likes@SuperBROKEN81 You need therapy. Please seek professional help.
0 likesWhen being questioned, assume everything they tell you is false. They are absolutely not on your side and are not your friend.
0 likesit's legal as well in USA wtf
0 likes@SuperBROKEN81 LMAO
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar it helps against real criminals
0 likesWell if they didn't do it they would know they had no evidence. Soooo.... I mean... I don't see anything wrong with this
0 likes@aki Confession is better than any amount of evidence in most cases.
0 likesIt’s actually not legal in the uk for police to do that.
1 likeWho fuckin care's? Criminals shouldn't be treated with decency.
0 likesnot really, if your innocent an they tell you this then it is not negatively effecting you. however if your guilty and you think they know you did it then your more likely to come forward.
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar and that’s why you never talk to them.
0 likesHappens all the time. Usually it is "your friend confessed that they two of you did it". If you are ever spoken to by police always assume they are bullshitting you.
0 likes@WordyDird You May have @'d the wrong guy?
1 like@Jacob Parrekar Oh bitte my bad. I could've sworn I clicked the right guy. Sorry to ping you like that lmao
0 likesyou cant elsewhere, for example here in germany you cant.
0 likesit’s an effective tactic of getting people to confess
0 likesIt is a interrogation method used by detectives to get the confession from the victims like in the jennifer pan case . But here the officer is really rude and totally being one-sided
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar i agree that few suspects turns out to be innocent but to get others' confession, it becomes important for them to use these tricks. So they apply the method impartially to all of the suspects. we cannot blame them . But yeah here the way officer is talking is clearly rude
0 likesIf you knew how effective these techniques are at catching actual criminals then you'd retract that. Watch the other videos on this channel, you'll see.
0 likesLegal
0 likesIt is absolutly legal for police to lie to suspects. It's sad, but true. That's why you don't talk, and assert your right to an attorney.
0 likes@Jacob Parrekar and then you realize we live in america where every state has different laws and what you just said was a complete fabricational lie, an overreaching statement that literally doesn't contain an ounce of truth
0 likeswhy would you lie on the internet?
If lying is a crime (bad/"wrong") then how come police can lie (do something bad/wrong) in order to catch someone else who has lied (done something bad/wrong) ? Kinda invokes the grey area of morality that no one likes to admit exists. Similarly, those in the armed forces who kill in the name of war are extolled as heroes, but if I were to kill someone who was breaking into my house there would be a whole investigation about whether my actions were "justified." When it comes to morality it seems that context is everything. (And lest anyone think i am dissing on the armed forces, I'm not. I am thankful for them. I was just making an example. ) The can of worms of capital punishment holds the same paradox – Killing is bad, so we kill to demonstrate that it's bad. The end result in all these examples is the same: some individuals are not punished for doing things that, if others did them, they would be punished.
0 likesYou are innocent? Don't speak to the police since they want you in jail.
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They’ll jail you until you get in contact with an attorney if you’re in this far. They approached the man with guns. It’s all unfortunate and unprofessional.
18 likesJust don’t talk to the police.
9 likesin Islamic country, you'll straight go to jail lol
9 likes@Jefrrey Jeffery no, you won't. Where did you read that? Fox News?
10 likes@Muhammad Hassan Kiyani well i live in an islamic country and there is little to no representation here, be honest now, you are not uae who has to keep its image intact for tourism.
6 likesAlso helpful advice for the guilty!
1 likeThat’s not true
1 likeWhen YOU lie, it's obstruction and filing a false report. When THEY lie, it's "investigative technique" or "harmless error."
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Edward Flynn I’m pretty sure that in England police aren’t allowed to lie about evidence they don’t have. From what I understand, they have a completely different interrogation model that’s more effective than the slapdash anything goes methods that American cops use. Here’s an article about it: https://www.innocenceproject.org/how-the-uk-police-interview-suspects/
6 likesKillerGrooves ... this was in canada
4 likes@Ed1749 you are so right, imagine starting out with "we got evidence that you did it" and expect the conversation to go on.
2 likes@KillerGrooves They can't "lie" about evidence they don't have but they can twist what they do have and "lose" evidence they did have that shows innocence or doubt as what happened to a relative of mine who went to court, had so called evidenced that was shown to be incorrect BEFORE it went to court multiple times by different professionals, each time they didn't accept it so went to another person to try and show it to suit their arrest. Just as the media who reported on it already judged he was guilty and when he was originally arrested only put what he was arrested for, what the police said and not things that were thrown out before court, and at court when the police made a claim that was proven incorrect they printed the allegation but not that it was thrown out or what relatives lawyer had found as inconsistencies in the Polices argument and shown to be untrue the media ignored it.
1 likeI really feel for that guy who was wrongfully convicted and locked away for 2 years... I hope he got some compensation for all that hardship.
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I saw someone in the comments say he got 46k CAD for inconvenience
343 likes@martijn van de Wetering not enough IMO
1055 likes@Tony Nguyen We're talking about the other guy that he used as an example of more common reactions to being falsely accused
427 likes@martijn van de Wetering That's the dude who spent 3 days locked up, again, for 3 days so imagine how much the 2 year dude could get as compensation lol
281 likes@Nico Cee talking about the oher guy they showed in the video... the one they used as an example for how someone normally responds to being wrongfully convicted. He got two years behind bars before his hearing where he was proved innocent
138 likes@martijn van de Wetering 46k? I’d say they owe him at least 100k
175 likesWatch the whole video guys!!!! The one who received 46k was the bald one. The other the bearded one got nothing but 2 years in a jail despite being innocente.
362 likes@Copelandia Bald vs bearded eh? 😂 No other identifying characteristics!? PC world is hilarious. Probably how we got into this mess in the first place.
95 likes@shawn d hahahaha true!!
10 likes@Nico Cee yeah makes sense. The guy I got it from said it was for the guy who spend two years in prison, although he probably just confused the two.
7 likes@martijn van de Wetering "The guy you got it from" lmfao. You mean, you misunderstood the video.
19 likes@joefish41 no
4 likes@joefish41 no, it's literally in some comments
7 likes@Tony Nguyen i think when the narrator said he did two years it was mistaken for his prior time served. I thought the same thing at first.
22 likesYou usually get about 50k dollars per year. Should be a lot more in my opinion doe
29 likesHe was in county lockup for two years awaiting trial, which led to a dismissal of the case. It is very likely that he didn't receive any compensation out of hand and would have to file a civil suit.
34 likesIn his case, because of his prior incarceration, a case like that wouldn't be a slam dunk if aimed at the state. The investigators were not at fault since they had credible info he was responsible for the breaking and assault. He could and most likely will have sued 'Candy' for defamation..
Having just done 3 years, the damage will be irreversible. The officers that locked him up will have been promoted while he was inside.
28 likesDo you really expect the government to take responsibility for its failures?
46 likes@shawn d I am bald and you can call me bald if you want
22 likes@Apalapse nope, the other guy (white aggressive dude) was imprisoned for 2 years but he was not innocence for that crime. He is being falsely accused after serving his sentence. This time he is innocent
11 likes@Apalapse bro you could just say the one with hair, or the blonde and white one
1 like100k. Millions for being locked in a cage for 2 years with violent criminals.
8 likes@shawn d Did that not work for you? Racist gonna racist I guess.
33 likes@Miranda Fitch more than that
1 like@shawn d I mean what else do you need to know? If you watch the video you can easily see one is bald and one is bearded. You’re really overthinking this amigo.
52 likes@shawn d What makes race a better identifying factor than drastically different hairstyles? It seems to me like you're projecting your own political narrative onto an innocent and non political comment. Making you the exact think you claim to dislike.
69 likes@martijn van de Wetering Nah, they guy who got 46k was the one who spent 3 days in jail. IT WAS IN THE VIDEO
5 likes@shawn d Wait that's what you got from that? Assuming the guy is being PC? Maybe it's his personal preference when describing people. 1. Seems you're literally more offended by a random person's very unoffensive description of others. 2. You reach really far by assuming the person is PC based how he chose to describe someone. You literally don't have enough evidence of that, yet you confidently made that assertion and almost seem offended by it...
32 likes@shawn d What is your point and what does "PC" have anything to do with this? IF youre implying that "black man" vs "white" is more descriptive, you're being meaninglessly pedantic. Even worst is the fact that the bald guy was likely falsely accused precisely because of these officer's implicit bias against people of his complexion, hence their failure to even read the damn description. i.e, the "PC world" you mention carries way more likelihood of preventing this, not the other way around...this really just feels like youre projecting your own political bias buddy
24 likes@Miranda Fitch how did you come up with that figure?
0 likesI feel like a dumbass I thought he just had and good tan lol
2 likes@martijn van de Wetering no. That was for Michale the black guy. Not for the white bearded guy
1 like@shawn d ikr. But I refuse to bow to such stupidity. There is nothing wrong in saying black and white. It all depends on the context.
3 likes@ddandymann race is not better identifcation. It rather more prominent, and usually gives a proper differination therefore we resort to it more often. If I refer to the two men in the video by balck and white I think it's acceptable and common sense. Racism has nothing to do here.
7 likes@Apalapse well 46k IS 46k
1 likei just wanted to check the replies under this comment to see if someone found out if he got any compensation for the 2 years, why are most of these replies arguing about race
8 likes@martijn van de Wetering That's depressing...
0 likes@Yummy Cookie I agree, so why did you bring it up?
0 likes@Copelandia /r/wooosh
0 likes@heytherecool cos pc gone mad. Michale got compensation. The bearded man no.
0 likesGood evening ladies and gentlemen. Why are you arguing about race anyway? I am bald and I have a beard. If someone doesn't know me nor my name how should this someone describe me? A human? A terrestrial male human being? A guy wearing clothes maybe? How then? Maybe "not naked" to avoid being offensive? Stupid discussions leads to nothing but stupid discussions and stupid discussions leads to stupid discussions a[...]
4 likesThe guy who started this thread doesn't even believe in what he said. He was just seeing how people would react to or even simpler: he was just bored. I don't blame him, that's the mal du siècle! BOREDOM.
The first guy they talked to was in for 3 days abd was awarded 46,000 watch the whole video people
4 likes@Jamie cottle The second dude was rightfully accused of something and sentenced for 2 years, right?
0 likesWe're talking about the US in this case. I would not get my hopes up.
0 likesThere was this couple who was wrongfully locked up for like 8+ years or something, I don’t really remember, and it was for “practicing satanist activities on kids” when really nothing happened
0 likes@sk8erbyern You got it wrong, watch again. The white dude was innocent of the crime we see him being accused of in this video. He previously served another 3 year sentence for a completely different crime, and then went back in for another 2 years after being falsely accused of the crime in this video.
2 likes@Teo Pazdrijan No. Both interviews we see in this video are wrongful accusations. He previously served 3 years for a completely different crime, which he actually did commit.
4 likes@Tony Nguyen In Sweden one guy got 930k usd for being in jail for 8 years when he was proven innocent.
2 likesI don't think this is correct. According to the video Justin (the bearded guy) served 2 years for a PRIOR burglary in his 20's that he DID commit, this later arrest was overturned in court. It's at 8:54 and 10:49 in the video. Edit: I stand corrected: at 5:54 it does say he is wrongfully imprisoned for the crime he didn't commit. Boy that sucks.
4 likes@Treyson Sherk glad to hear that. Hope its true
1 like@thatsthe true I'm just going off what the video itself says. It bothers me to see so many people in the comments upset just because they seem to have misunderstood what happened.
2 likes@Treyson Sherk 5:45 "...he is about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years", and 8:54 says he was exonerated, which according to Wikipedia is "...when the conviction for a crime is reversed".
3 likes@Halbgebildeter Oh shoot I missed that on my first watch, you are correct sir. Damn that really sucks.
0 likesthe bearded guy didn't go to jail for this. he did 2 years in county jail FOR HIS LAST CRIME, not now. the bald guy was jailed for 3 days was the one who received the money.
4 likesHe wasnt locked away for 2 years for the false claim. That was previous conviction. He was proven innocent
1 likeI don't know how so many of you literally have no idea what you just watched and still spouting out nonsense as if you understood everything.
9 likesThese are the facts from the video:
The tall black man was held in custody for 3 days. And given 46K CAD as compensation.
The bearded white guy sat over 2 years in prison for the break-in/assault that he did NOT commit. He had previously sat 3 years in prison for a robbery which he DID commit.
@martijn van de Wetering No that was the other one who was locked up for 3 days. It literally talks about that at the last minute of the video.
0 likes@Miranda Fitch they owe him their wives ...
0 likesrightfully said .
@Apalapse yes, but the 2 year guy isn't who got the 46k. That's what the guy you're replying to is saying. The one who was only locked up for 3 days got the 46k. The one locked up for 2 years must of made more is what the commenter you're replying to was saying.
0 likes@nowr2run who said you can’t say black or white? Just because that’s not the choice of words they chose doesn’t mean they’re off limits. Considering how bald and bearded the respective people are I’d say they are just as noticeable a characteristic. Setting expectations for what you want to hear is what’s wrong, take a chill pill and check yourself.
5 likes@Will Vrooman ah I see, thanks for correcting me on that.
0 likes@Tony Nguyen the other bearded guy wtf
1 likeThat is so sad. He says he was trying to do right by working hard, only to be hit with this. No wonder people go back to crime so often. Justin deserved better.
2 likes@OlympianOtter23 I said what EVERYBODY IN TODAY'S BULLSHIT PC WORLD WANTED TOO SAY BUT WERE TOO SCARED TOO SAY IT. REREAD THE COMMENTS & JUST SEE, SON. I DON'T TAKE PILLS, IT DULL'S THE SENSE'S. MAYBE YOU SHOULD IF IT BOTHER'S YOU SO MUCH ? THANKS FOR THE REPLY & YOUR OPINION, EVERYBODY HAS 1 YA KNOW, LOL.
0 likes@Apalapse there's ppl falsely convicted for 20+ years and didn't get shit
0 likes@shawn d Why is it so important that he is referred to as the "black guy" instead of the bald guy?
4 likes@shawn d what you can't think of any descriptors other than the color of skin? Shows your intelligence
2 likes@shawn d wow you're so badass
0 likes@shawn d those are both clearly defining characteristics. You knew who they were referring to right? Why does it matter then? It's really weird you are like ITCHING for the racial description. Racist world is hilarious. Probably how we got into this mess in the first place.
4 likesIt varies often. Typically compensation is determined by how severe the mistake was and how much prison time the person served before being released. However, it also depends on the state you are in. I believe the majority of states compensate about 50k-100k per year to the victim. There might be even more compensation if the person is on death row as well. No idea about the guy being locked up for two years.
1 like@shawn d Okay, but who asked your opinion about how they chose to differentiate them? Who asked?
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering that was the black man who was rewarded that, the white dude, the guy never mentioned it.
1 like@Tony Nguyen white dude got over 2 years, black dude got 3 day's. Maybe you should rewatch.
1 like@Tony Nguyen The guy with the beard was locked up for 2 yrs before released. I'm sure he got more 46K that the guy for 3 days got.
1 like@shawn d So because he didn't mention skin colour he's being PC? Despite the literal easiest things to see on these saturated images being a huge beard and a completely bald head, you NEED to mention skin colour or you're being PC? People avoiding the obvious is something that annoys me I'm not PC myself, but this guy mentioned the very clearest identifiers in a way I didn't even take a second to know who he was talking about, and you saying that he's PC because he needed to include skin colour is just straight racist, and I very rarely use that term.
1 like@shawn d what that's the best description other than the ginger and the non Ginger
0 likes@Yummy Cookie You're missing the point, OP saying bald and bearded isn't necessarily substituting those for white & black, like shawn is projecting. Those are easily equal if not better identifying characteristics.
1 likeTherefore shawn is the weird one for being a culture war hipster and using what is essentially loose association to frame someone else's comment as "PC". It's also a tad strange for you to be engaging the people calling him out for it as if you understood either OP or shawn, or the people replying to shawn, as it seems that you're a bit lost in the sauce on this one. No offense. You aren't wrong, this just isn't what you think it is lol. I don't see anyone saying that shawn is racist or that it's racist to say white & black. They're just calling shawn out for being weird about the fact that that isn't the words someone else chose to use, and to discourage that doesn't really make sense.
Shawn totally deserves to be roasted a bit for being a reverse speech-nazi hipster and injecting that into a convo that has nothing to do with his evidentially buzzword obsessed approach to political and non-political discussion, making things into what they are not and all that.
@ddandymann actually projecting politics is what you're doing. Think about it. Being called bald brings generally negative connotations - aka people don't like it. Being called black is a point of pride. You trying to reverse that here is inherently racist.
1 like@rubadub So calling someone bald is racist now? As a dude with thinning hair I say screw that.
0 likes@ddandymann man, you really contorted what I said into something completely different. It's like you don't comprehend English or something.
1 like@rubadub Now you know how it feels.
0 likes@Apalapse you’re hilarious, I’d gladly get locked up for two years in exchange for 46k 🥴
0 likes@shawn d Did anybody else say there are no identifying characteristics or are normal people just not so obsessed with race like you are
1 like@Yummy Cookie Well said
1 like@Copelandia What did him in was his past history of similar crimes. Sucks.
1 like@ddandymann I was responding to people who said it's racist
0 likes2 years yes but wrongfully accused.
0 likes@Treyson Sherk no
0 likes@chaeglows wrong
0 likesYou wrong
0 likes@Jackbob thank you. Finally someone who did get it right.
0 likes@Adrein Villa I am not a racist. I used white and black because normally the skin colour is the most prominent one therefore we tend to use them.
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering 46k was for the other guy.
0 likes@Nico Cee here in Poland one guy was wrongly convicted and did 20 years in jail
0 likes@Yummy Cookie nope. watch the video again and listen carefully this time.
1 like@Miranda Fitch
0 likes46k for 3 days is a lot, i think its absolut fair deal.
@Yummy Cookie Which I did not, the purpose of my comment was to show that the person I responded to was applying a political narrative to a non political comment and since this thread is now an utter cesspool of political idiocy I think I was justified in that assertion.
1 like@chaeglows good advice
0 likes@shawn d
0 likesthose are literally the two biggest identifiers of both lmao
also what do you mean by "this mess"
@shawn d the PC world is the reason a black guy got stereotyped and racially profiled? Lol makes sense. I'm no pc SJW but thay logic makes no sense
0 likesIt's frustrating when these things happen. It normally comes down to cops not doing a good enough job. Cops should be held personally accountable when something like this happens. I know it sounds harsh, but there should be a serious fear of getting the wrong person. It effects people's lives in unimaginable ways. Not only do they lose the time, but the trauma and label will stick with them for the rest of their lives. The media loves drumming up drama over stories, but you won't often see them telling you the person was actually innocent all along.
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering, 2 per year million should be enough.
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering Not even a a comfortable living wage for one year... What the fuck
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering mane if went in for 2 years 40k ain’t enough you can make have of that in 6 months
0 likes@shawn d What the hell man, One is bald and one has a beard, why not use them as identifying characteristics? Does it really have to be black or white for you to be happy ?
0 likes@shawn d Why would the original commenter have to describe everything about each persons' appearance, but mainly their skin? You know which one is the bearded one is and you know which one is the bald one. Seems kinda weird that you needed OP to talk about race and make it about politics.
1 likeThis has nothing to do with race and PC lmao
I doubt it. The hogs just chew you up and spit you out
0 likes@shawn d This guy is OBSESSED with race
0 likesFrom what I have read, most people falsely imprisoned receive somewhere between $50-70k a year. Not like it gives a shed of happiness for 2 years lost or what usually occurs to prisoners in shower time, but it’s something. The mental anguish lawsuit is where the real money is at.
0 likes@shawn d what? he said a defining characteristic and you say he's pc? tf
0 likes46k for 2 years wrongly imprisoned? What the fuck?! Give that man 200k at least
0 likesThe sad thing is this happens a lot in america and there's a bunch of innocent people in prison right now. Some who will never get out.
0 likes@Lexi Curtis no, the guy who was in jail for 3 days got that
0 likes@shawn d why do you think he said this to be PC 😂 hair/hairstyle is like one of the most obvious characteristics to identify people with.
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering no, that was the guy that got 3 days jailtime, the guy whp got 2 years, the video said nothing about
0 likesOh wow
0 likes@shawn d it’s funny because we don’t NEED any other identifying characteristics. Only people like you get hung up on the “other” characteristics when they’re not relevant to the case.
0 likesThe bearded guy did not go to jail but was exonerated during trail. He was in jail for two years PRIOR to this occurrence, not BECAUSE of this occurrence.
1 likeNik K. Oh okay
0 likes@shawn d bald vs bearded is better than guy vs the other guy vs that dude vs the one that got 46k. I don't understand how people communicate so poorly with descriptions.
0 likes@Nik K. Thank you. Idk why people think he went to jail. It literally says he was exonerated in court when her allegations fell apart.
0 likesHe was never convicted though. He was detained for 2 years
1 like@Jackbob he wasn't in prison, he was in a holding jail
0 likes@Nik K. Justin was in jail for 2 years awaiting trial for the false accusation. The video literally says that clear as day
0 likes@Dan he's wrong
0 likes@Zack Crawf did you not watch the video? he was exonerated AFTER spending 2 years in jail awaiting trial. He DID go to jail for the false accusation
0 likes@FiNiSH Random nope. Wrong.
0 likesFiNiSH Random okay lol.
0 likesFiNiSH Random to me even sitting in jail for a few hours is false imprisonment. Nobody should have to sit in a jail cell for something they didn’t do.
0 likesDon’t get me wrong I get mistakes are made. But let’s be honest here it must take a special kind of incompetence for someone to go through this for two years
I can’t tell if they guy used as an example of a standard reaction to a false accusation got 2 years from the false accusation or that was the 2 years he had already served apart of his 3 year sentence that he got off on good behaviour for robbery because jcs makes reference to the accuser’s testimony falling apart and being full of lies and the guy getting off.
0 likes@Halbgebildeter Wait... so did the bearded guy get exonerated after 2 years in jail, or did he not get imprisoned at all?
0 likesThe two cases are distinctly different. The first guy was compensated not because he was detained for no reason, but because the police SHOULD HAVE KNOWN he was innocent. The 911 call stated the perpetrator was a short white man, also the alibi he had was 100% waterproof and he had multiple witnesses who would confirm it (it wasn't just that the officer didn't interview anyone like the video stated, he did and ignored the evidence), yet the police officer chose to ignore the evidence for his innocence and continued to detain him until an actual honest officer took the case from him. In this case, police misconduct was the sole cause for the wrongful imprisonment, so the town had to reimburse him for the damages
0 likesIn the second case, the police HAD A REASON to suspect the man. They had witness who claimed he had committed the crime, but the witness was lying. In this case it was not the fault of the police but the dishonest witness, so he would not receive as great of a reimbursement (I'm pretty sure he would receive something, but proportionally way less for the time spent)
https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2011/05/25/judge-rakes-cops-over-the-coals-for-wrongful-arrest.html
Here are more details on the first case. The police officer didn't get demoted btw, he later got a promotion to sargeant
@Incredible Adventures Saying "bald" and "bearded" works but it's just pointless eggshell-walking to appease mindless zealots. Skin color is the more obvious identifier and should be used for practicality. And you throwing around the word racist whenever you feel like it only discredits the charge.
0 likesIs there a way he could have debated for two years of average yearly income in compensation?
0 likesImagine the guy who served something like 30 years and was innocent. Watched it the other day on here 😳
0 likes@shawn d Says the one who uses emojis.
0 likes@shawn d well yeah no name was used how are we going to describe them "dark skin with male pattern baldness with calming tone and got 3 days in jail and bearded man with quite large hair and an aggressive tone" exactly
0 likes@Ron Mathew Joe he spent 2 years in jail awaiting trial
0 likes@Zack Crawf Justin was in jail for 2 years before he was exonerated. That is not debatable
0 likeswhy you should never talk to cops even if you have done nothing.
0 likes@Copelandia thats the difference between the US and Canadian justice system.
0 likes@martijn van de Wetering Thats for the guy in jail 3 days dude!
0 likesThe black guy got the 46k
1 like46k.? Wtf thats it
1 likeNo he was locked 2 years prior for stealing something he wasn’t locked for the woman lying.
0 likes@sk8erbyern the man with the beard served two years for the crime that was being talked about in this video, aka that he robbed and assaulted that candy girl. He had already done time way before for a different crime. He was exonerated when candy kept lying on stand. He did not break into her house or assault her.
0 likesI wish i could get interrogated so I can sit there and talk shit to a detective for 24 hours straight.
0 likesThe last things that i heard make me happy.He got award.And dedectives suspendend.I love justice.
0 likesPart of the problem with the system is that the officers were demoted and suspended without pay for falsely imprisoning a man. They should have been charged with that crime. And if the man had been abused in prison they should have been held responsible for that. If he had been murdered then they should have been tried for murder. And since they were officers of the law they should have been given the death penalty.
0 likesUntil we start raising the stakes for gross incompetence, racism or whatever this was we will continue to have law enforcement acting out of other interests than enforcing the law.
He asked for a lawyer and he didn’t stop asking him questions.
1 likeHaha bro was calm the whole time because he KNEW he was innocent, He KNEW he was gonna make a check lmaaooo
1 likeHi, I’m Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? The Constitution says you do. And so do I. I believe that until proven guilty, every man, woman, and child in this country is innocent. And that’s why I fight for you, Albuquerque! Better call Saul.
0 likesNo they should have been terminated on the spot, they will just do it again otherwise. Police must be heald to a higher standard.
1 likethe interview was pissing me off until the end, usually the people doing this never get punished
0 likesDude...I get nervous every time I leave Walmart when I don't buy anything. I feel people would think I'm stealing when I'm not. lol
0 likesDemoted isn’t entirely enough, for me…
0 likesAs satisfying as that IS….if we wasn’t out back down to “Beat Cop”, or even fired..?
Then there’s a travesty. How many times has this guy DONE this?? How many innocent people has he locked up?
I think about how if JCS made a video that was instead on the side of the investigator, many viewers would not realise that the investigator is doing a bad job.
0 likesBuddy said "AS GOD IS MY WITNESS!" that's the best witness to call on.
0 likesThis is why everyone should know your rights and even though you know you are innocent, Don't say a word without council.
0 likesGlad this story has a happy ending. This video doesn't go into it, but there seems to be a straight line that can be drawn between the fact that this guy is black and the incompetent cops feeling so sure he was guilty, even without and (from the sounds of it) contradicting evidence. I would put money on this type of thing happening all the time, and bet there are many innocent individuals who aren't as lucky to be exonerated.
0 likesHaven’t finished the video, both of these investigators need to be in jail
0 likesThat’s would be so hard to stay calm good for him for being so cool
0 likesI don't understand something:
0 likesWhen suspects are read their rights, especially innocent ones like this man but any of 'em really, how come they don't invoke any of those rights to protect themselves from people like this investigator (who could have ruined this man's life! Many cases like this end up in innocent serving a sentence for a crime they didn't commit. They could have been less eloquent & know less about the system than he did, and bam! Prison!
They could also be mentally ill (undiagnosed), or simply not speaking the best English. Or be weird to USA behaviors, due to being from a different culture where body language is not the same at all.
I'm one of these awkward ppl who never behave in expected manner to the western world, no matter how long I live here. Pretty certain I'd get in some shit if someone ever randomly accused me of something I've not done. Panic attack would happen first (mental illnesses), and they'd probably think "ah she's faking".
Scary thought, tbh.
The narrator is so perfect for those JCS-Series.
0 likesHe is the Morgan Freeman of the true crime documentaries
I can not believe they didn't get the victim to come in and ask if that was the person.
0 likesthis was soooo hard to watch the detectives kept pissing me off lol
1 likeIt hurts to see the first guy being nothing but polite, and still treated like garbage. The ginger guy story tho is heartbreaking.
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@David S. Jr when you put it like that, it seems like we shouldn't be sorry for anyone just in case they turned out to be a monster
452 likes@David S. Jr 🙄
54 likes@Света Sveta I'll try to steer you guys back towards civility. Having watched JCSs entire library now, it's a tough one. I don't think anyone should be treated like garbage, least of all by police, but it's interesting seeing how detectives DO sometimes manage to break guilty suspects, trapping them into story lines, etc. that I can imagine they might not have gotten JUST with evidence (though hard to say). The main takeaway should always be to NEVER speak to the police without an attorney present, but I can imagine that if you're truly 100% innocent and wanting to genuinely help out that it's hard to think that.
89 likesI think CIA's point is that just because they are kind doesn't do much for the police if they are trying to find evidence because monsters can be kind, I personally think it's better to treat people with respect because harassing the innocent is worse than being kind to a monster. They should wait till they have more to go on rather than shoot blindly and injure bystanders until they get the criminal.
35 likes@Worry Oh no, I definitely understood the two sides. It's a bit of the whole "better that 100 guilty go free than 1 innocent be locked up" sort of thing vs. the opposite of that (which is certainly some people's belief too). The good news is that the police from the first video were all disciplined and removed from their positions for the screwup. But I was just noting how I can appreciate that it's probably a very difficult position. I think of the Chris Watts episode JCS did, for example, and had they not broken him, they might well NOT have had the evidence to convict him. Still, that doesn't mean anybody should be berated and to be fair, there was FAR more evidence in the Watts case - albeit still not definitive. I guess I was more just suggesting that there are ethics that should be held dear, but at the end of the day, I can still imagine it's a difficult and uphill battle.
13 likes@Kevin Ludlow Ah yes I agree. If I had to do that work me and the criminals would both be crying in the interrogation room. Lol
1 likeTed bundy was a psy op..like Charles manson..Jeffrey dahmer..Timothy mcveigh..John Wayne gacy..these are to make us fear..and make us dependent on the judicial system/police/government for our safety..
1 likeTo police every person is a garbage. This is how they see the society.
22 likes@David S. Jr how is it being paranoid of everyone who is nice to other people because they might be a Ted Bundy?
8 likesBehavior goes along way, but perhaps we shouldn't put all our stock on that alone but good evidence.
5 likesThere are confident innocent and guilty people as well as unconfident innocent and guilty people.
well at least he got compensated and shit cop got demoted
6 likes@David S. Jr bundy was super narcissistic tho wasnt he
2 likes@Света Sveta probably not when it's a murder investigation dude.
0 likeshey.... listen.... since the suspect is gone then what u gonna do..... ofc apprehend the first black person u see... its basic procedure :]
1 likeGod I've been there. That is the most terrifying feeling having to prove your innocence to arrogant stubborn jerks
3 likes@David S. Jr So your argument is pretty much the tittle of the video "guilty until proven innocent".
3 likesYes, that's a great way to build a fair society, by treating everyone like the worst criminal...give me a f**king break.
@David S. Jr bro don't make stereotype i was nice introvert guy in my high school time. i was bullied cuz the thoughts like you have. i was traumatized for years please keep your thoughts to yourself 🙏
1 like@David S. Jr brain genius time huh
1 like@David S. Jr so? we should treat polite people as garbages because there is one monster that was polite outside? whats the idea behind your comment or are you just replying for the sake of replying?
2 likes@Света Sveta anyone that wants to harm you or do anything ill to you will come with a smile they'll act like a friend criminal 101 that's why they treat people like that not saying it's justified it's Hella wrong just the way things are
0 likesI was so happy to find out at the end of the video that he was given $46K in punitive damages! The whole video had me so pissed off mostly to watch him stay so calm while being treated so unfairly, i wish i had that kind of emotional intelligence.
1 like@Kevin Ludlow i think the problem with this particular case is all they had on this guy was the fact that he was walking by. No witnesses, no correlation between him and the store, no nothing. It's different when they're trying to break someone they have reasons to be suspicious of.... you know?
1 like@Mayli the fact that he didn't follow up with the report they see someone of color and can easily get away with incriminating them just the way the law system was designed
1 likeBlack / White is part of the difference in aggressive response.
0 likes@Света Sveta we never know the full story
0 likes@Kevin Ludlow a 53
0 likes@Robot Account riiiiiiight
0 likes@Chris Smith denying something as true...doesn't make it untrue..you are clearly unaware or the world you truly live in..it its on tv..or in the history books..its a lie or theater..period
0 likes@Robot Account that’s quite a broad statement you’re making fella
0 likes@Kevin Ludlow after watching most of this channel, the #1 thing I have learned is, even if you're innocent DO NOT speak to the police before speaking to a lawyer. I mean, ESPECIALLY if you know you're guilty. Seems like a no-brainer but everyone thinks they can talk themselves out of it like they do it for a living.
1 like@Keith W. Yes. This is extremely common knowledge in my world view, but I'm certainly aware of how few people actually understand it and then can do it when the time comes. But it's absolutely a must when dealing with law enforcement. I challenge people all of the time to try it. Next time you happen to be stopped by the police for speeding or whatnot, try it. When the officer asks where you were going, just tell him you're not going to talk about your day and say nothing more. Just provide him what he needs (license, insurance, etc). Most people find they can't do it - which is really part of the problem. It's something that should be engrained in every single person in the US; just don't say a word - it's really simple and yet, very difficult to most people.
1 like@Chris Smith every celeb is a trans..every famous person is a Mason or kabal or other secret society..the reach is endless.not broad enough if you ask me..if you know the name.well..
0 likes@Robot Account you must be fun at parties
1 like@Chris Smith well, I'm definitely not the guy dancing on tik tok
0 likesRIP all of the JCS case videos being deleted except for 3 :(
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WT. F
0 likesWhy are they being deleted? :(
0 likesim gonna lose it
0 likesThat is the most terrifying thing ever to be completely innocent and be imprisoned!
0 likesI would ask to see the evidence. I would also ask for a lawyer.
0 likesI am glad that the narrator put the fact that people with trauma who are innocent can have an abnormal reaction when accused guilty. I lived a childhood full of terror, where I had no right to mkae any mistake, and sometimes I'd start feeling guilty for no reason and wondering if I made a mistake that I am not aware of and that an unexpected blow off would come to me! Now in my daily life and interactions with people and work , even when I know I didn't do anything I still exhibit behaviours and body language of a guilty (not defend myself, become stressed and worried and obviously unconfident)! But I am working on that. That proves that there are no rules. Body language cues and reactions are not always accurate.
0 likesI feel so shitty for both of them. False imprisonment is such a scary thought, it says a lot about the gaps in our justice system.
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what about the third guy
7 likesGaps? It's literally the main body of our justice system. Did you hear him say that interrogators getting a confession without evidence is seen with merit? It's disgusting.
111 likesthe bigger gap is cops can murder an innocent person, never go to trial and if arrested will be bailed out by white supremacists.
47 likes@modestrocker1 So no cop has ever been prosecuted for an unlawful death? And white supremacists? What are you on about?
23 likes@modestrocker1 oh here we go again. Christ
15 likes@John Glue
29 likesThere's a HUGE difference between "no cop has EVER been convicted of murder" (a ridiculous statement, and you know it), and "cops are not being held accountable for the lives they are taking." I mean, American police have already killed over 400 people in 2021 alone. It's horrendous. Also, since 2013, less than 2% of killings by police have resulted in the officers being charged with a crime.
It's well documented that cops don't get convicted of murder. Google the stats. But of course you'll hide behind the idea of 'unlawful murder" vs "lawful murder" as if a cop is judge jury and executioner. As if 98% of those victims somehow deserved it.
@Maia Gaia How many of those 400 were armed? I actually know the answer but I am curious to your answer. No such thing as lawful murder btw.
14 likesSays alot about the cops who know the truth but are good friends with the real criminals and protecting them.
3 likes@John Glue how many was it? I want to know and I don't know.
1 likeThe "gap" you are speaking of is actually in the simple fact that the majority of Police Departments are allowed by a Supreme Court Ruling to discriminate against hiring anyone with an IQ over 105. Just smart enough to follow "procedure" but not make independent decisions based on reasoning. Low IQ also means they have a need to "belong". Hence the Blue Line Mafia that we have today.
7 likesi feel worse for the ginger guy because he felt like he was set up because those a-holes knew he had a record and the police would believe he did it. He must of been fuming inside.
7 likes@John Glue
0 likesHow many of those were armed?
Well its a lethal combination of cops being legally allowed to lie, prosecutors being driven by convictions, increased sentencing causing plea bargains and the state having all the power and resources. Other than that it's a pretty fair system.
4 likes@Nana So attacking a cop is okay? You are aware that most armed assailants aren't shot right? So a few cops go over the line so each and every cop is guilty?
1 like@John Glue Where...tf....did I say attacking a cop is okay? You good? I said just because one is armed, doesn't mean they should die. Being armed ALSO doesn't mean they attacked. Also it's just not a few cops "going over the line", it's a wide spread issue among the police force. That doesn't mean every cop is bad dim wit, but it does mean there's a major problem.
8 likes@Nana Hahaha so much anger and insults from you has shown which person is not good. So an armed person is armed for no obvious reason? Don't you think they could be possible of attacking than not? And yes it is only a few cops.
1 like@John Glue You said you knew the number of the 400 people that were armed so I'm interested in you sharing it with the class.
6 likesAlso, not sure if you're aware but Americans have a right to be armed? A person carrying a gun with them doesn't mean shit UNLESS they were using it as a threat.
And no, it's not a few cops. Empirical data disagrees with you
@Krystal Myth ya that’s so fucking weird. “Getting a confession without evidence is seen as merit” ??????????? Like hello???????. That’s such a shitty thing to do, I could just be trolling or something for all they know
2 likes@Nana i like how you get mad at him for putting words in your mouth but you do the same exact thing.
2 likes@Nana When a cop is at risk of death because someone is trying to pull out a weapon, they have the right to shoot to kill because not all people go down to a fucking taser (ESPECIALLY if they're on drugs). Would you rather the cop die and the criminal get away or the criminal die and the cop survive? In those scenarios (which are becoming more and more common) those are the only outcomes.
1 like@homicidal_ toast I literally never did that but interesting interpretation of events you got there
0 likes@Milo Reiland No? The discussion is about how shitty the justice system is. Not sure if you realize this but cops play a little role in the justice system
0 likes@Jalen Metzler Thanks for stating the obvious and not engaging with anything I've said.
0 likes@Nana John asked “how many were armed” and you extrapolated that to “being armed does not equal deserving of death” he never said they deserve to be killed. You’re a hypocrite.
2 likes@homicidal_ toast ...........😐. John rhetorically asked "how many were armed" followed by "I know the answer". The topic was police killing people and he was using the scenario of an armed person to justify the killing. Please keep up lmao.
1 like@modestrocker1 well for some people if they never broke the law in the first place they would be alive but I'm not saying they should be killed
2 likes@homicidal_ toast Except i wasn't making an assumption? Are you slow or? If I told you someone was killed by a cop and I said "but they were armed". You ARE saying that their death was deserved. Like that's...kinda the argument. Take a deep breath and try to think a little harder next time
1 like@Nana that literally is an assumption, Jesus, do you need the definition of assumptions? He could have also meant they were justified shootings.
2 likesYou mean racism. It says a lot about the racism of the police force.
1 like@Henry Smith Watch people try to deny this even though there is overwhelming evidence of supporting it.
2 likes@Nana my parents are cops and the reason why they usually shoot the person they're confronting is because you have like 1-2 seconds to react if they choose to use their weapon or try to take your tazer's,guns,keys ect
0 likes@Nana again work on your sentences...
1 like@All For You Oh like how that Hispanic kid was shot DESPITE dropping the knife as after he was told to?
0 likes@Nana A former black city councilor filed a complaint of racism against the force while he was in office.
1 likeHamilton is so white that I don't even know why they picked up a black guy. All the police shooting victims over the years have been white people. The majority of wanted people are white, so for them to pick up a black guy for a B&E is unusual in my eyes.
The police force is racist and corrupt. Follow former Hamilton cop @mobinfiltrator on Twitter for more
The sketchy one where the investigator was lying was in Canada. Why do people always think of the US when anything bad happens in the judicial system
2 likes@See Green Shhhh...let them believe the myth!!!
0 likes@modestrocker1 yeah that’s what it is
0 likesThey are absolutely ridiculous the treatment is rarely fair especially for ex cons and minorities
0 likes@homicidal_ toast like what?
0 likes@Jalen Metzler like those 10 year old boys playing Star Wars? I gotchu 😉 protect the blue line from infants
0 likes@homicidal_ toast give us the data if you have it?
0 likes@All For You dam, how’s it feel to have murderers for parents?
1 like@NCRonrad you @ the wrong person 😑
0 likes@NCRonrad he literally said 6 words and he’s a fascist? I think you might be a Fanatic if you’re jumping to conclusions like that.
0 likes@NCRonrad yep thank you for proving my point about you being a fanatic...
0 likes@NCRonrad yea him theoretically being a cop and theoretically doing bad things doesn’t him a fascist....
0 likes@Dark Aliebaba99 I don’t think they really know, seeing as how multiple people have asked them and they haven’t responded to a single person.
1 like@John Glue dude are you a jedi, can you feel the emotions someone is feeling just based on what they type? Cause if so that is amazing can you teach me how to use the force?
1 like@homicidal_ toast ok, well how did you interpret what they were saying?
1 like@Jayden Wassink most laws (in the US at least) aren’t even taught to the average person. The only exceptions are the glaringly obvious ones.
1 like@[AZN] bepis that most of the armed shootings where justified, and people have interactions with the police while armed all the time and nothing bad happens.
0 likes@homicidal_ toast and thanks for outing your slippery slope fascism 😁 did you get papi’s numbers yet?
0 likes@homicidal_ toast the word justified means essentially the same thing as deserved, which is what the other person, Lana or something, was saying.
0 likes@homicidal_ toast it really does tho, justified means having a legitimate reason to do something, deserving means having a legitimate reason to do something. Do you not think they came to a reasonable conclusion, if so then you didn’t either seeing as how you interpreted it the same way they did. I don’t see how they were being condescending at all, they just had a very aggressive way of defending themself, and if you see what they were doing as condescending then the other person, and even yourself, should be viewed the exact same way. Just as a last note, some cops are never even sent to court after literally taking another persons life.
1 like@[AZN] bepis in many of her replies she finish the comment with “try to keep up” or “try to think a little harder” come on dude stop being disingenuous. 😕
0 likes@[AZN] bepis idk why you’re telling me that last part I clearly said no one deserves to be shot by cops...
0 likesUnless it’s absolutely necessary...
@[AZN] bepis no I don’t agree with the guy she was arguing with. that second sentence makes no sense bro. 😂
0 likes@homicidal_ toast ok well you were also condescending and nice job only replying to only one of the points I made
1 likeIn who's Justice System?
0 likes@[AZN] bepis ok I never said I wasn’t condescending 😂
0 likes@[AZN] bepis heres the legal definition to Justification- A sufficient or acceptable excuse or explanation made in court for an act that is otherwise unlawful. Now here’s the definition for deserved; do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment). Do you see bud? they do mean different things wow! 😂
0 likes@[AZN] bepis do you understand now? Legally yes a killing can be justified and not deserved at the same time. It doesn’t mean the same thing.
0 likesWe may not have the best judicial system but we have the best judicial system in the world and that's all we can hope for from now there is always room for improvement
0 likes@Mike Smithey
1 like“We may not have the best judicial system but we have the best judicial system in the world”
Yo what? 😂
@MisterTwister chill hes spittin facts 😂
0 likes@Henry Smith "all the police shootings over the years have been white"
0 likesI will fix that for you. "All the police shootings the media and BLM has made such a big deal about have been white while ignoring the other ones because they dont fit the narrative im supposed to believe"
Turns out Statistically your LESS likely as a black person to be shot by a white police officer and white police officers are MORE likely to be victimized by a black assailant because they know they will be found guilty regardless of merit.
The best part about it is the cops only get a demotion and come back to work next week with a paid leave of probably 50k
1 like@WorldWearyAngel Uh, no. Learn to read. I'm talking about the police shootings in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Educate yourself on those shootings before commenting.
0 likesMore people are killed by convicted felons than innocent people are convicted. :)
0 likesWhat our system? Are you Canadian or oh let me guess, you're American... you make us look bad.
0 likes@2 Many Remote Controllers
1 likeJesus, go away 😂 If anything we make you look good by comparison, everyone compliments you all on being nice and totally forgets you’re clubbing baby seals
@[AZN] bepis Yes I am capable of exactly that and no I cannot teach someone such as yourself.
0 likes@homicidal_ toast Gestahpo, KGB, US police force - authoritarian, militarized police groups. Your police department is sooner to roll tanks out on the people than provide actual community benefit, outside of rich sociopaths.
0 likes@NCRonrad you really just compared the KGB and Gestapo to police, just stop you’re honestly embarrassing yourself. Saying hyperbolic things makes you look like a fanatic....
0 likes@NCRonrad I said that trying to show the difference between justified and deserving death. ( nice job trying to take that out of context.) I like how you skipped the part where I said no one deserves to be shot by police...
0 likes@WorldWearyAngel I can see how the two terms can be different in certain situations, however you’re example doesn’t really convey a justified murder to me. No cops aren’t omnipotent, but they are trained to deescalate a situation. Instead of taking another human beings life because of a mistake what they could do is either run for cover, move out of the line of fire, pull out their firearm and ask the “assailant” to pull out whatever they’re trying to slowly, or tase them. They have many more options then just outright killing someone. Now you could argue that they only have a few seconds to make one of these decisions, and because people are flawed they won’t always make the right one but that is why police need to be trained better to make the right decision under pressure.
0 likesWhy would you need a confession out of a suspect if you clearly have video evidence of him committing a crime?
0 likesI wanna see the investigators face after the judge declares that the falsely accused people were innocent.
0 likesThat cop that was lying saying he had video should be charged with false imprisonment and fired!!
0 likesI'm very happy to hear that the cops responsible were punished. Probably not as much as they deserved, but at least they got something.
0 likesI feel so bad for Justin, you can tell that he worked so hard to get his life back on track, just to be falsely accused and thrown back in prison.
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If you got a felony record of any kind you have to fight even more to prove your innocence on something you know your not quilty of........
20 likesIt is terrible, I was angry watching him break down.
7 likesHopefully he got compensated.
0 likes@Xx Yy it's sad how worried he was for being falsely accused for how hard he has work to stay clean. you on the other hand are part of the problem. have innocent people been put in jail? yes! everyday? no way. only criminals think like that or ignorant people that have been told lies by their family and friends.
0 likesDo nothing, say nothing and ask for a lawyer. Don't try to defend yourself, even if you are guilty. Don't try to help them at all. They will literally use anything you say from the first moment they speak to you. Unfortunately trying to help, even as a witness to an actual crime, will work against you.
0 likesI feel like busses have cameras and there are probably 100 ways you could prove innocence
0 likesbut that is not the goal, it is to get a guilty charge.
like give my man access to the tools he needed to prove he is not guilty
I bet he would do 100% better than everyone working that case
Remember to get a lawyer for this reason cops aren’t your friends they will openly lie to you get a lawyer at least you can buy their trust and know they are on your side
0 likes$46,000 and the officer got suspended? Music to my ears.
0 likesAll demoted and suspended without pay. Music to my ears. Hell, the cop that tossed him in jail for 3 days without checking any other sources should be fired. He doesn't have what it takes to be a good investigator, let alone a good bluffer.
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if only this happened in the states ever....
46 likesI just can't comprehend why he just wouldn't check any evidence at all. There was absolutely nothing pointing to the innocent dude yet he did nothing but assume he was guilty.
132 likes@LethalWalou Which means the interrogator cared more about his promotion than the actual truth, or that he potentially would be sending an innocent person to jail.
90 likesYes, that was one of the most satisfying endings, to a very unsatisfying story.
55 likesThe biggest thing that grinded my gears was that the investigator said he would look into Michael's story, but didn't. It was a different investigator (3 days later) that actually took the time.
Like many have commented already, ignorant cops arresting innocents are almost scarier than ruthless killers...
They literally had zero evidence... I get bluffing to get a confession from somebody you "know did it". it's usually because they have something that shows they did it on top of their demeanor. It's usually not enough evidence for a conviction so that's why they go for a confession. They had nothing on this guy, he didn't even meet the dispatch description. they had no reason to lie and say they had evidence. all they had is that he was in the alley. That's like responding to a burglary then arresting the mailmen since he was there in the vicinity at the time of response and believing beyond a reasonable doubt the mailman did it after no investigation.
22 likes@modestrocker1 Well in the US I'm sure they would have just shot the guy immediately to avoid the headache of him being able to sue.
18 likesThat’s Canada. It would be a promotion in US
2 likes@modestrocker1 it does
1 likeYeah, but what happened to the other guy? Did he sue the person that accused him or something?
2 likesYou can change "person" for "bitch" on my comment if someone wants to, I know I want
3 likes@modestrocker1 was this not in the states... just cause the cops accent doesn’t mean it wasn’t in the states?? I’m not sure but I’m assuming it was in the US
0 likes@Drewski it was not in the states, it was in Ontario, Canada. He says this in the video.
5 likes@Zack
9 likesThere are reasons why cops shouldn’t be allowed to lie in interrogations. One is that a lot of developmentally disabled people just straight up confess when they’re innocent. It confuses mentally ill people and so on. It’s actually a pretty shitty practice.
@DutchMadness77 You think cops or the court system ever like to admit when they're wrong?
0 likes@Drewski Canada. Try paying attention 🤣🤣
1 likeTry 43 days...no apologies. No one lost their jobs...nothing.
1 likeLethalWalou You think the problem is that the guy is “just a moron” when they are literally being financially rewarded for arresting people with the least amount of evidence possible. I think there’s a bigger problem...
3 likeshe completly called his bluff in the 15 minute interrogation, which is amazing and just shows how bad it was
2 likes@Torben22.1 the investigator was effectively ‘all in’ with his bogus video evidence, he even said he wasn’t going to ask him if he did it because there was no doubt. Then he gets the guy to draw a map of his movements which reveals he has no video evidence.🤦♂️
2 likesCops seem to think that every suspect is dumb when in fact it was the other way around here.
I did some reading up on this and it turns out that one of the guys involved was promoted to a sergeant
1 likelol welcome to canada. Theres cops suspended with pay for over 15 years. Google it. Basically its impossible to lose your job as a cop in Canada. It took one local lawn enforcement officer 3 DWI's to make him "resign" he was suspended 8 years with pay before that.
2 likes@Dale's Gaming TV I mean, you can do mistakes in one case and later do something incredible... I mean you learn from your mistakes. You surely didn't do great everytime you did something, did you?
0 likesDemoted and suspended without pay isn't enough. These people shouldn't be working in law enforcement ever the fuck again.
0 likes@Torben22.1 I get that, but their profession shouldn't allow for a lot of leeway when it comes to mistakes. A clerk filing the wrong file won't cause much damage, but an investigator accusing someone of wrongdoing when they are clearly innocent, and refusing to follow up on their alibis for more than 3 days can potentially ruin the life of someone.
0 likesHe could get fired from his job. Even though he proved his innocence, his community could ostracize him. His name is permanently sullied when it comes to background checks for jobs or other kinds of application, since there is a good chance that his arrest was reported by some local news.
We give a lot of power to cops. They are the only citizens who are allowed to use lethal force, since they represent and wield the monopoly of legal violence in the society. They should be held to a higher standard, not lower. And mistakes shouldn't be so easily forgiven, imo.
@Ivens Pinheiro Ivens I completly agree in this regard, but since interrogiations are group efforts, there will be discussion and it might get to a strategy you didnt want. Its hard to figure out who was the leading part in what happened.
0 likesIn case of armed robbery or just robbery its fairly easy to get back from if proven innocent, since it doesn't blow up.
Obviously if the case is murder, rape (or something in this area) these things should be handled much different.
But you can't just fire everyone who did a mistake or used bad tactics since I guess its fairly hard to get people to do this job. And especially in this job you just get better as more you do it. And a very skilled investigator would not exist if they didn't overstep it at some point. (Maybe they even got away with it).
It's just hard draw a border in this area, where it's all about deception, manipulation and so on, and that on a completly other level... probably even more than in marketing
This is the end of their careers ina nutshell.,
0 likesI think those demotion are meaningless unless there are marks on their records which is a lot harder to erase. Michael not only got paid for false accusation but by suing the city and won, the record of the lawsuit is on the books as well as the names of all the officers and detectives involved in the case. One thing officers hate the most is civil complaints on records because its a mark that follow them for extended period of time which becomes more sever if they fuck up in a major incident in their career and records of their behaviors started popping up and civil lawsuit filed. I noticed that when a major incident of police involve shooting happens and records of the officer involved started circulating on the news, the department will try to settle out of court as fast as possible. In most cases, the civilian always win if the officer involved has extensive marks on their records.
0 likesI'm so glad the other guy sued and won.
0 likesThat last investigator should've been fired.
0 likes"I have you on video" such b.s
My Government teach explained 1 thing
0 likesyou CAN be charged as GUILTY for speaking the 100% truth and showin evidence!!!
Exercise the right to remain silent, till you have a lawyer.
Police interrogators should be feared
1 likeThey don’t care if you’re innocent they just want a confession
The introverted suspect Michael is so honest, well spoken, and more intelligent/ professional than the investigator. He's clearly innocent, but the investigator is crooked as they come! I can't imagine being accused/ convicted of a crime I didn't commit. (10 years ago two strangers assaulted me. The way it happened was so traumatic I could only remember that one was skinny and had a beard. When the police showed me mug shots of offenders, they asked me to identify the two men. I could not clearly recall the features of the two men, so I refused to pick any photos . I would never want an innocent person to serve time.) My justice is moving on with my life and being happy.
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I’m so sorry you had to go through that traumatic experience, I hope the two guys who assaulted you got their karma one way or another
139 likesThat is extremely mature of you
85 likesSomething like that happened to me, the police tried convincing me to point out a dudr that was nothing like the one I saw. It was very intimidating, but I would never falsely acuse someone
15 likesHow do you know he's innocent?
0 likes@uvizachan watch the rest of the video, there's no reason to believe otherwise. Why do you believe he isn't otherwise?
2 likes@uvizachan he was literally exonerated 😂
8 likes@Dexiray he has a point though... being honest, well spoken and intelligent doesn't mean you're innocent. In this case, yes, because there are evidence proving he's innocent. But, what would you have said if, after investigation, he was guilty? Being a criminal doesn't mean you're a brainless thug with the vocabulary of an edgy teenager.
7 likesI’m happy that your happy. Inshallah this continues
2 likes@MrDevilFlash Literally did not dismiss none of these topics. Merely pointed it out to this specific case, of which is indubitably proven that he's not guilty. Period. Had the discussion been so open ended, all I would say, perhaps would be: what makes you so sure he isn't innocent?
2 likes@Dexiray Yeah, this case was pretty clear afterward... But I took the comment you replied to as response to "he's intelligent, he's clearly innocent". But we agree that in Michael's case, the investigators acted very lightly. I would be interested to know in which terms the suspect was described though (to have an opinion on the "bad place bad timing" aspect of the case). Because preaching the false to get the truth isn't a bad strategy (worked in Jennifer Han's case).
0 likesMajor props for that
0 likesim so sorry man, those people deserved to rot.
0 likesYou have a good heart. Respect 👌
0 likesi'd lawyer up asap if innocent. No way am I giving them information
0 likesI hope those two men who did that to you, got karma. Forever hitting their toes into the coffee tables.
0 likesthat's the purpose of this video. If you were told beforehand that Michael was guilty, you would view his behavior in a much different manner.
0 likes@uvizachan The 911 call literally said it was a short white man.
0 likes@AfricanBoi "Exonerated" 🤣
0 likesI'd do a switcheroo and hire Michael to interrogate that shitty detective.
0 likesclearly a tactic to get people to comment on your sadness
0 likes@Kyro Howe ?
0 likesI love how strong you are, makes my day!
0 likesWhat a super-human you are, damn
0 likes@uvizachan the 911 call literally reported that the robber was white. I hope I don't have to explain this to you, but Michael is not white.
1 likeremember! invoke your right to remain silence until your lawyer come, if you being detained or ask to come to police station by a police, remain silence and wait for your lawyer. i was a former wrong convicted for drug user which is cocaine and heroin, the detail of the story is my driver is the one who are the drug user, the police come at my house to detained my driver, its happen at 9.10 a.m when the police arrive at in front the gate of my house and from the footage of cctv in my house, the police ringing the bell then when the police meet my driver, they don't detained him immediately instead they are "discussing" about "something" than after that, the police went to my bedroom and broke the door. I was sleeping at that time and i feel startled when the police came, they immediately search my room and there are 6 officer there and one of the officer came at me and handcuffed me and said that i was the "partner-in-crime" with my driver meanwhile i don't even know what the heck of the situation, i don't even know that my driver is drug abuser. but the police instill that i was the guilty, later i was brought in to the police station then i asked one of the officer to talk with the head of their team, then i meet the captain who release the order to detained me and my driver. That was the interrogation begin, there 3 officer plus the captain standing in front of me meanwhile i was alone, its was tense situation and i had to speak because if i am not, they will harm me physically well in fact, i get several jabs and punches at my mouth, my below hand torso and my belly for not speak or answering their question, hell even after i answering the question, i still got hit at my head, from my perspective they want me to admitting that i am guilty so they can later "bribe" my father to releasing me but fortunately, and thanks to God, i am still stand firm and not falter back with their intimidation. But unfortunately they also don't want to revoke their claim and immediately i was detained in the cell for few days until my father came to bail me out. Also i was just a college student majoring in management and already passed and waiting for the graduation ceremony, the day that they detained me was around at the end of april, near the day at my graduation ceremony which they also threaten me that they will cancelled my graduation if they don't get what they want. Short story, my father finally knew i was detained and he immediately book and took planes to bail me out, my father is living at the other city and the distance between the city where i was living and my dad living is far away, its took 5 hour by planes. My father arrived at 5.34 PM GMT (i remember it because when i was detained, all my focus is only on the clock) , there i was released at 6.30 PM and that moment when i finally saw my dad is the moment of a lifetime, i was crying like a little child and hugged my dad so tight, and fyi i only cried at few occasion in my lifetime. I was even cried when i was eating the meal that my dad brought from home because when i was detained, all food which i ate is the bad one. Finally i got the detail about why and how i actually get release , and let me summarize it with two word, money and promotion. that all, my father actually had to negotiate the price to bail me and they attempt all the way to increase the price to bail me out, they even don't want to revoke their claim if my dad doesn't wanted to bail me and my driver, so they want to double the price too which sadly at the end my father finally agree at their term. I am Alexander Thaddeus D'Arc which my former name is Alexander Jonathan, i changed my name because of few reason and this moment is one of the reason i changed me name, they got the money and all i get is bad image, few kick and punch and bad meal for few days also PTSD and trauma. This is really true story and the city i was living is Surabaya which located in the province of "east java" and the country is "indonesia", and my driver nickname is usman and i never met him again after i was released, p.s sorry that i didn't mention my driver as my an ex driver and this for the fourth time i repost my story, my story or my comment disappear for unknown reason. If you interesting more, you can contact me through my email rhymelex@gmail.com, i even could give you my private cell number if you contacted me personally through my email.
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also i want to add something, i know not all police are bad, there are a good ones out there but few, the majority is the a-hole ones and please be careful when interacting with the police specially when they ask you to be a witness, if you can, avoid any them or their demand at any cost, please be careful out there. Most of the police is just an a-hole and just wanted to fck your life for their own greed. trust only with bare minimum percentage trust with the police also always be on guard, alert and cautious when interacting with them, avoid their question with your right to remain silence until your lawyer you came like what i said in my first sentence in my comment. Stay safe out there
1 likei did report a child-porn video i thought it was the "right thing" to do, if i will ever witness a crime another time in my life, i'll think like 3times about it if i really want to report it. It's tough. Ofcourse they need to check everybody and stuff, but i just expected a reaction like "yeah thankyou, we will check this out, we will try safe the kid" but it was very different. If the police officers wanted they definetly could've taken advantage of me beeing like 100% honest and i really thought the police is somehow going to "help". I realised that i've been in danger when one officer told me they decided that i'm innocent. I mean i did knew the whole time that i'm innocent and i did expect everybody else to know it, too, why should i report such a thing when i'm involved in it. So if i ever should encounter such a situation again, i definetly will talk to a lawyer first, it's just too dangerous for yourself, you can't expect a police officer to really wants "the best" for you.
0 likesThis is too close to home to continue watching but that you for bringing this topic up
0 likesThe difference in these 2 videos is 1 person was ACTUALLY falsely accused.
0 likesThe first guy, wasnt accused of anything and the cop literally lied to try to make him confess.
Both videos make me mad but 1 makes me really mad.
"Sounds like fun"
1231 likesI must applaud Michael's sense of humor persisting.
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He seems like a genuinely nice person. I really feel for him, being an introvert who doesn't like confrontation- the way he must have been internally screaming in frustration, but keeping a calm and polite exterior.
124 likes@Miss Riley yes
3 likes@Miss Riley yeah I agree 100 percent
2 likes@Miss Riley mmhmmm
0 likes@Miss Riley I want to give him a hug
1 likeWhat, the officers actually faced consequences for their mistakes? What planet was this filmed on?
1 likeThese guys should be awarded millions screw that detective
1 likeNever, EVER Speak to a police officer without Council. It seems intuitve to declair innocence thinking you will walk away, however this is not always the case. RULE 1, SHUT UP. RULE 2, SHUT UP. RULE 3, LAWYER UP.
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So you end up having to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars... and hope a Civil suit judgement covers the lost time.
0 likesTo err is human…. even for detectives. It can’t be an easy job. I hope the two innocent accused are doing ok and have been able to put this behind them - perhaps even laugh about it now.
0 likesMan that guy who got the $46,000 in damages deserves a medal for his patience and attitude
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bro there is no way that im sitting in that room without cussing the dude out
40 likesI feel like I would be a stuttering mess in that room, but iirc your brain usually cuts back on the chemicals that cause stress when you’re already under an enormous amount.
14 likesIt’s why if you’ve ever bombed an exam and you know it, you usually feel okay right afterwards. It’s a defense mechanism to keep you from being completely overwhelmed.
To make things worse, 2 years of his life was only worth $46,000
11 likesichigo kurosaki It said he was detained for 3 days. It was the other guy with the beard that did 2 years. Hopefully he got paid something as well.
18 likesWell he did get 46,000$ instead of the medal :P
2 likes46K is still nothing imo. Those investigators and cops committed a horrible, idiotic felony
11 likes@ichigo kurosaki wrong guy
0 likesAs an introvert, I could see myself reacting in pretty much an identical manner.
1 like@ichigo kurosaki I'm having trouble understanding why people keep getting this confused. The information presented in the video is clear and not at all convoluted. Michael, our tall, bald friend in the first video, only got 3.5 days in jail. The second, bearded man is the one who was imprisoned for two years. I'm not trying to give people a hard time, but it's really not that hard to keep track if you just pay attention to the video.
1 likeI would probably be that guy that would just start laughing and making fun of whoever is trying to convince me I did something wrong ;’)
0 likesCop : I try to treat everybody as an individual
0 likesDispatcher: suspect is white short male
Cop: I think I'm going to treats this guy as an individual criminal
"the truth is paramount" he said whilst lying through his teeth
0 likesMy thing is, why can cops go on and on about telling the truth and working to see the truth comes out when they will literally lie to manipulate the accused
0 likes"There were a number of witnesses." "Great." "One of which had a camera." "Perfect." had me laughing so hard, not gonna lie.
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The cop should have been able to tell right the. That he was wrong and this guy was innocent
298 likes"BUT YOUR STILL GONNA GET EJECTED TO JAIL CAUSE YOUR SUS."
256 likesXD
P- Perfect!
18 likes@Iron_Ace bruh why lmao
18 likes@Jason C demoted for a reason.
17 likesI had a situation once (in a group setting, not a criminal one) where I was accused of something and one of the the people that was trying to get to the bottom of it was law enforcement. They said "You know there are cameras?" I say "There are?" Then you can see cop mode kick in and they say "Yeah, there are.." I'm sure fully expecting me to walk it back, but I retort "Great! What does it show?" They shut down and admit that they hadn't seen the footage yet, but it was obvious that I knew I wasn't guilty of the accusation.
95 likesI can't imagine being in a similar situation where time in prison is a reality of what is going on in front of you, not a slap on the wrist that I was looking at.
@seneormoneybags yeah unfortunately it's super common here to just get an arrest and conviction, whether they're actually guilty or not is kind of an afterthought
17 likesIt was already a sketchy aspect here but once you have for profit prisons, mandatory minimums & basically a revolving door, you're so fucked if you get in the system and don't have money
If you're loaded its no problem, throw money at it and you walk
If you're broke, you're forced to do a plea bargain even if you're innocent to avoid years of fighting it
There's a lot of great stuff here but innocent until proven guilty and habeus corpus, two vital pillars of the system are definitely eroding
@Odin Satanas literally the biggest prison system in the us and the continuation of slavery in this country (theres a pretty big caveat in the 13th amendment and when you look at our criminal “justice” system they really just moved goalposts). My comment was more in reference to yet another problem we have as in WOW LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE FUCKED UP AND RUINED SOMEONES LIFE (or worse) AND WAS HELD ACCOUNTABLE? NO FUCKING WAY 🙄
3 likesU are my twin. I hope u know that
1 likeMan I was in this same situation once. I kind of had the same mannerisms as the first guy and I knew the proof they had was bullshit and I told them that I knew they were bluffing because it wasn't possible. I was only in for questioning though and they never arrested me. Me being whiter than rice probably played a role in that.
6 likesYup,an innocent person will be glad to hear that there were witnesses...and photos. There's a great line in the classic film "Shawshank Redemption" where the prosecutor said while questioning Andy "and fortunately for you the police were never able to find the murder weapon" and his response was "well,given that I'm innocent I find that distinctly un fortunate".
12 likesthis actually happened to me once before. asshole former employer thought i vandalized the company truck after quitting. cops put me in a little room and said we have multiple witnesses and threw a vhs tape in front of me in a bag. i grabbed it and said "fantastic, let's watch this." shtbag cop ripped it out of my hands at said "you'll get to see it in court." this whole system is absolute trash. obviously this all had nothing to do with me
9 likesBluff that does nothing
2 likesThat cop didn't care he was inocent if he could get a confession he would. That's why I hate the law
5 likes@Jason C : He didn't give a shit. As far as the cop was concerned, he was guilty. He was just hoping to get a quick confession.
6 likes@Bobs Building This. He probably knew that guy wasn't guilty, I mean they aren't blind. There were no evidence, that guy probably had no record, nothing was pointing in his direction, even the damn description didn't match AT ALL. He was just trying to scare the confession out of that guy, so he doesn't have to actually do something.
1 likeCops always come up with lies to see how you react...the fucked up part is the ongoing investigation takes forever. Call they're bluff.
0 likes@Colby Boucher pretty disgusting if true. If you knowingly send an innocent person away you deserve to go yourself
0 likes@Jason C The cop clearly was racist.
0 likesUntil 16:42 I constantly wondered why he was being so polite. Finally understood it when I heard: something something Canada.
0 likesFKN love that outcome at the end! FKN brilliant outcome for that faulsly accused man!
0 likesRemember its law that police can lie to you but you cannot lie to them.
0 likesFire those very incompetent cops
0 likesDispatch: "Suspect is a white male, short stature"
6133 likesDetective: "What if he's just wearing a white shirt, does that count?"
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I know white makes people look fat but how is it with heigh?
54 likes(Since this community is mostly america I am worried that people understand something else)
"Okay white guy, short."
358 likes"Ah yes white shirt guy!"
@August I swear this is probably how these clowns' brain works.
118 likes@August I’m laughing way to hard 🤣
12 likesSuspect: white, male, short
69 likesPolice: "1 out of 3, close enough for me!"
edit and write instead white shirt with shorts
6 likesYeah, at that point I’d ask the detective where he was at the time of the crime, because he’s closer to the description than the suspect.
25 likes@Neru The real reason this happens is LAZINESS. All these (suspects) people have one thing in common, they were all LOW HANGING FRUIT! Detectives would rather pad their arrest records rather than do their Fucking Jobs. They’re detectives 🕵️♀️ go and fucking detect.
28 likes@Neru no, you guys are the only ones thinking like that. What is it a thought crime? Lmao
3 likes@Joel Nelson brown
1 like🤦♂️
2 likes@JG EA SPORTS UFC jg EA SPORTS UFC lol your statement is funny. But wow watching this was scary.
1 likeAnd wearing shorts
2 likes@JG EA SPORTS UFC jg EA SPORTS UFC The real reason is racism.
7 likesShort white male -> white shirt and shorts xD
5 likesabsolutely disgusting
1 like@August 🤣🤣🤣
1 likeThis reads straight out of a Reno 911 scene or Super Troopers lmao
3 likes@McmTJ the thought isnt the crime its him being like "Okay so the perp was a short white guy. Guess I better arrest a tall black one!"
3 likesWait dispatch to detective
0 likes@Kaya just Kaya it makes us look like tall black guys, it's weird.
3 likesyou know michael jordan? yep, just a white dude in a white shirt the whole time.
I have a feeling this is a case of racism
3 likes@JG EA SPORTS UFC jg EA SPORTS UFC LOL true
0 likesLMAO thats perhaps how it went
0 likes@Swarnim Vajpai quite possibly, I wouldn’t be surprised at all
0 likesThat cop should be so embarrassed, pretending he has the guy on camera. Is he that stupid he can’t see this guy is telling the truth.
2 likes" I try to treat everyone as an individual"....... wow
0 likes"you are sentenced for prison, you are proven guilty and you can't convince me otherwise."
0 likes"ok ok cool but can i call my boss? i wanna tell em i won't be working tomorrow"
i love the happy ending :D but it would had been better if they fired that "detective"
0 likesNonverbal challenging an officer, who's falsely accusing and interrogating you. I admire this man so much. I would be so nervous to be falsely imprisoned during that interrogation
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If they want you in jail they're gonna put you in no matter how you act, obviously
13 likesSo always stand your ground whatever I guess
always ask for a lawyer even if you havent done it
9 likesSigma
4 likesImagine shooting someone in self defense and being legally required to come forward, only to be arrested and railroaded.
1 likeWhat an absolute knobhead that investigator is. I hope he gets falsely accused for a change. See how he handles himself, the shitter.
1 likeI’ve been falsely arrested when I was homeless sleeping in a disused horse stables. They dragged me out with a flashlight In my face blinding me and a dog barking it’s head off. Got my on the ground face down with this dog a couple of inches away from my face while he was radioing his little buddies. Someone stole a car and took a police chase and dumped the car near where I was sleeping. Got took to the jail for 3 days where I was questioned and my freedom took for 3 days and got released with no charge and 14 miles away with no money to get bk to where i was staying. Hate the police
0 likesI understand tactics. But when you use them against Innocent people it's really degrading.
1 likeThere are even people that have been falsely convicted and they even begin to convince themselves they did what they were accused of.
0 likes"why did you do it?" is such a terrible question to ask someone you're trying to mindgame into admitting a crime. What was that first detective thinking?
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right. even if he did do it, asking that question off the bat, you can kiss the whole interrogation goodbye as it wont go anywhere from that point on. he’s horrible at his job even disregarding that he tried to make a man admit to a crime that he himself knows he didnt commit.
150 likesThat's standard "procedure"
4 likesThe reason why they ask this is because they want the suspect to feel pressure as if they are already convicted. The detectives want the suspect to know that any story they spew will not be believed. Obviously this interrogator is bad but in some other cases like with "Wrath of Jodi" and Chris Watts it works really well because they keep trying to add information to their "narrative" that would make it more believable but instead they are just adding more information that could be used to incriminate them.
12 likesMaybe to see the way they respond? Idk I have no idea lol 😝
0 likesAlright armchair detective
1 likeYou clearly don't know how interrogations work
0 likesits like asking "who is your favourite character in fast and furious and why is it dominic toretto?" smh
0 likes@Felix Berkan The stupidity in that is that they selectively use the suspect's confessions. If they deny guilt they don't take their word for it, if they admit it, they will take their word for it. Why not just let evidence and witnesses prove guilt if they already decided guilt anyway? Convictions should be based on independent consistent witness acounts. It doesn't matter what the suspect says or doesn't say. The burden of proof or disproof is on the accuser or the investigator, not the suspect/subject. The right to remain silent is supposed to protect from false incrimination and put the burden on investigators and judges to determine guilt, instead of just lazily relying on confessions. The legal system works way better in places like Germany or Denmark where they don't have this nonsense "procedure" of being allowed to lie to get someone to spit information. Otherwise the next step on this slippery slope is to allow some "enhanced interrogation" to get a little more info. Oh yeah, America has ALREADY degenerated towards that direction, I forgot!
0 likes@eric5335 I understand what you mean, but this is a bad case to compare, because in the other videos it’s pretty damn obvious they committed the crimes with the evidence but it still needs to be voted on by a jury, whereas a confession makes their job easier, and like this guy said “helps them climb the ranks faster”.
0 likes@eric5335 no its not. lmfao what
0 likes@Felix Berkan "a confession makes their job easier" Exactly. They are too lazy to actually prove guilt. In third world corrupt countries they beat confessions out of suspects because "it is easier" and makes it look like they care about fighting crime. This is the path America is on. Meanwhile here in Denmark we have the least corruption and most effective justice system without such nonsense as in the Canadian and American systems.
0 likes@eric5335 Bro you are reaching with that. In so many of these cases, they have so much evidence and reason to believe that they are interrogating the main suspect. I can tell this is one of the only videos you watched on this channel.
0 likesI'm surprised they were actually held accountable. Good on Canada. They'd have never been suspended or demoted if this was in the U.S. Instead of protecting the citizens and people, they just cover for their own. Disgusting.
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Gotta love Canadians, they can turn literally any topic into a diss on the US, y’all are obsessed with us and it’s embarrassing.
0 likes@K-pop is Trash I'm American. Born and raised. Literally what are you talking about?
0 likes@K-pop is Trash I'm saying good on Canada because I'm so used to seeing to seeing carriages of misjustice here so it's refreshing to see. That's all.
0 likesThe final part was satisfying to hear tbh no one should be framed and keept longer than 24 hours on jail.
0 likesThe ending of this video gives back some faith in the system.
0 likesIt’s a common misconception that If someone gets defensive it means they are lying.
0 likesMichael is a legend, insanely intelligent in the moment enough to strike nervousness in the detective. Not many people could do that the same way and could even potentially crack and confess to a crime they didn't commit
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sigma male moment
62 likesMan went through character development
17 likes@Mia L no but soemtimes u get put in jail falsely
22 likes@Mia L only guilty people get nervous when being questioned by police? You’re tripping
54 likes@Andrew Keller bruh how if the poilce came to you asked you for murder wouldn't you be at even the slightest sacred or nervous
7 likes@ysiagwhwouw wuwiwiwi dude if the police pulled me over for a traffic violation I’d be nervous. My point is the same as yours
7 likes@Andrew Keller well sorry it didnt sound like it
0 likes@Mia L your privilege is showing Mia.
4 likesI don't think the officer was expecting the black man to be literate, much less articulate.
0 likes@ysiagwhwouw wuwiwiwi He was responding to someone else who made that comment and deleted it. How do you not comprehend that?
0 likes@GruppeSechs beacuse my name was metiond the at sign had my name so i just assumed
0 likesI dont have a clue how i would act if i was in his situation. Im autistic as shit and have a shitload of trauma that makes my brain shut the fuck down if someone accuses me of something, so i seem apathetic because literally every thought i have is trying to piece something together as my mind is clawing for anything to say, and if pushed i'll just say something, anything l, and then realize it was wrong and try to clarify. It sometimes takes up to half an hour for a mind to clear, but if i was pushed harder i'd probably just have a panic attack. I feel as though i'd the perfect victim for one of these asswipes.
1 likehe made the detective confess
0 likesThis is why you always ask for an attorney. Never would have been jailed if he did
0 likes$46k for 3 days in jail… Imagine if the USA paid out those kind of rates for all the wrongfully imprisoned who spend months in jail awaiting trial because they can’t afford to make bail?
0 likes10:00 the investigator wants the guy to prove that he wasn't asleep at his mother's?! It's up to the police to prove he wasn't asleep at his mother's.
0 likesHow many years of ones life can such stressful experience shawe off? (being arrested by police, being held captive, unfair interrogation ...) The guy is shaking and he's not a delicate one. It's not even his first time arrest.
0 likesLiars: “I’m a good person. I’m not confrontational.”
4559 likesThe truthful: “I DIDNT DO THAT SHIT!”
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If you've played detective games on the internet like Trouble in Terrorist Town, sometimes people who make a big fuss about not being guilty are actually guilty. In the end, we should be suspicious of confessions without evidence. Some personality types can be so agreeable and suggestable that a detective can easily get false confessions.
170 likes@Professional Complainer “detective games” Ok Mr I am a detective
128 likes@Catsuie the narrator is also not a detective.
17 likes@Professional Complainer never said that im simply saying what you said youre literally saying you have knowledge cuz you have played detective games and the narrator has far greater knowledge in terms of body language
23 likes@Professional Complainer Uhh... Dude people act completely different playing a game than when they actually committed or are accused of life changing crimes. I am no detective but i've played those games and I also have been interrogated both when I'm guilty and when I'm innocent.
59 likes@Joseph Good that’s my point. Explicit denial or complete silence aren’t in themselves traits that tell you culpability.
10 likesNow if your daughter is missing, or your wife was murdered, and you give zero fucks about them or mislead an investigation, that’s attention raising. Imo. I’m not a clinical psychologist. I just pretend to be a bad one when I troll people on the internet.
@Joseph Good fair
0 likes@Professional Complainer your name amazingly suits you
13 likes@Jin thank you.
4 likes@Joseph Good I've never been interrogated by police but I don't think it's that dissimilar. If you've played mafia or an equivalent competitively, people are trying to win and at the very least experience in that realm demonstrates that very different behaviors can indicate guilt across different people. People react in a variety of ways and some people are the type to be over the top confrontational when guilty because that is how they simulate their innocence reaction. Some people when innocent fail to muster a lot of self confidence when accused and put under pressure.
6 likes@Professional Complainer You're also comparing a game where everyone is basically anonymous. to a real life situation where you get time in prison.
8 likesA lie is a lie all the same
0 likes@Jarod McDonald I am a liar, do you believe me?!
0 likesThis is not always correct. Also this info can be used by liars which makes it absolute.
0 likesthats also what R kelly said...
0 likesI like your pfp
3 likesIma speak on behalf of most introverts, that’s like saying me trying to speak to a god that literally has the power to put me to death or let’s me live. Most would probably just try to stay calm and tell the officer everything they know in a calm manner because maybe they don’t get loud a lot or express a lot in front of people. Then combine that with being interrogated with your life on the line, puts a lot of pressure. At that point some might as well think it’s over and just accept it (especially those who just don’t retaliate).
2 likesNow I’ll say another thing, in my opinion it’s that they are suspicious and a suspect and first you need evidence then confirm if that’s true before you can make a rightful judgement.
I mean would you want to get loud in front of someone who literally has the option to determine your life? You can’t really choose, loud can easily make you seem suspicious unless you spout true evidence and etc, then there the calm one they might try to process things to fit their understanding and etc, but even that can seem strange due to how calm you are. So literally anything can be turned against you and you have to somehow prove you are truly innocent somehow that doesn’t make the other party think you’re guilty. Etc
I can keep continuing about how everyone is guilty until proven innocent but ima stop
he didn’t do that shit doe
0 likesWell it can be vice versa
0 likesBoth of these situations just prove whether innocent or guilty the second the interrogation begins lawyer up.
0 likesI wish we had the footage with the cop needs to apologize to the gentleman
0 likesfantastic example of why the only thing you should say to a cop is “lawyer” ACAB
0 likesi kinda wish detectives like this spent as much time in jail/prison as the wrongfully detained civilians did. might teach them to really consider accusing the first person who looks right for the charge.
0 likesWow, that’s some infuriating shit. What an incredibly genuine person Michael is. Glad he didn’t spend too long in jail and at least was awarded some damages. It’s rare to come across such a calm and sincere individual like him. My heart collapsed for the other guy, Justin(?), served time in prison, got out and actually stayed the straight and narrow..and had to go back in for 2 years for something he didn’t do!? I can’t imagine how absolutely crushed he was.
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Michael's composure is pure gold.
293 likesAs for Justin, it's heartbreaking to see him breakdown knowing he's innocent but they might use his past to pin him down.
@Carla M Meaning the system doesn't work. In their mind "Once a thief always a thief" so he wasn't rehabilitated after serving his sentence.
143 likes@kunkkaralho™ If we take this to the extreme: Cases like Justin are the perfect example why nobody should be sentenced to death. You can have witnesses, a motive, no alibi and get pronounced guilty. Whilst you were asleep at your mother's home.
176 likes@kunkkaralho™ right but atleast he was proven innocent. Sad it took 2yrs. I
24 likesTerrifying.
5 likes@codypsizzle wait so did Justin actually spend the 2 years in jail for the false charges or not. The way its said in the video seems to imply that he did
20 likes@codypsizzle No, he did get sent back to prison. Listen to 5:45
16 likes@Ian oh man, i am such a fool
3 likes@Remer714 I think there are some who deserve the death sentence but not the evil people who are part of our society like pedophiles, rapists and murderers. Those people can change as much as it may seem crazy. And as pointed out above they can falsely convicted.
6 likesFor me though, authoritarian leaders can get the bullet. From Putin to Khomeini to Netanyahu the bastards can die for the suffering they caused to entire populations. Hitler and Stalin would not survive in any justice system I had control of.
@codypsizzle no you're not, you just missed the part... Nothing wrong with that
6 likes@arya Do you not see the irony that, given complete and autocratic power over the justice system, you would exercise that power in the same way other dictators did it? Not to mention you don’t seem to mind pedos, rapists and murderers all that much
18 likesOh I know Justin, he’s cracked at Fortnite my guy.
2 likes@arya Nah, the death sentence’s biggest flaw is it’s actually merciful. Remember: Hitler killed himself because he rather die than be captured and punished for his war crimes. You’re telling me you’d arrest him just to execute him anyway? Just let these people rot in jail. Some of the worst crimes have been committed by people who have killed themselves; fulfilling their wish of death will never be a true punishment.
11 likes@Luca Piomelli I do mind those people. I think often they don't get enough time behind bars, especially pedos. But civilians are different to leaders. Asking what I would do in that situation is a pointless question because to get that situation you have to already have blood on your hands. Excluding Netanyahu, everyone that I mentioned is/was a dictator. And even simply getting to the position where you are a dictator requires great evil to your political opponents. I like to hope I would never get to that position
0 likes@arya a video i'd recommend on this topic is a recent one by philosophy tube (shouldn't be hard to find) its one of her more recent videos. A really interesting take.
0 likesOur justice system is no system at all. See this is what a black man deals with time and time again. And if they or anyone mind you had been charged again with same crime but is innocent you don't just lose your rights from day one you loose it all they way thru just like this. That is the sad part of when your accused. Cause it takes years to get thru the prosses and when the person accusing you is just mad at a situation then years it what it takes to just get your side told until you finally give up and take a deal . I had my book written the incredible life of a innocent career criminal. But decided to? Fuck it
3 likesYep Michael is as cool as a cucumber. Not that it matters but is he a black man in the united states? if i were a betting man i would say hell no..He seems to have the sensibilities of an englishman..
0 likes@arya good thing you are not in charge of anything but yourself.
1 like@Peppermint Productions okay I'll check it out
0 likes@Luca Piomelli But he never said that he didn't mind them. He said they didn't deserve the death penalty. Don't twist words to prove a point, just prove the point.
1 like@Milan Jeremic I'm not American. And while you make an argument that I think I would struggle to fight against, at least they led democracies
0 likesMakes you think how many innocent people are locked up cause of the justice system:/ imaging getting put on death row over something you didn’t do like
3 likesYou need to always bring a camera and record what you are doing, that will be a good proof. I'll install cctv, not for robber, but myself.
2 likes@Luca Piomelli Not at all, there is a major difference between using capital punishment as a matter of course against individuals for individual crimes, and the use of capital punishment against those guilty of massive crimes against humanity or war crimes.
0 likesEddie Gallagher deserves capital-level consequences for his crimes for instance, because he caused irreparable harm to the general public and our own nation as well as his victims. The only way to remotely make amends for the crimes he committed, from one nation to another, one people to another, is to levy a far more humane version of those atrocities against Gallagher himself.
I agree wholeheartedly
1 like@Carla M Michael is a good dude!
2 likes@leonard mcewen they said it was Canada
2 likesIn Poland one guy was accused of double murder and went to jail for 18years, after that it turned out that he was innocent and he got recompensation worth around 13milions PLN - 3,5 milions USD which is a joke.
1 like@leonard mcewen black man in Canada
0 likes@Jordan Nijjar oh Kentucky. Imma have to look further into this.
0 likes@Carla M Yes thank goodness!
0 likeshe's just from canada
0 likesWorse thing he did the time and the people responsible for him serving wrongful time are still doing the same shit if they judged him wrong imagine how mane others fuck that
0 likesMichael got compensation?
0 likes@Tom W yes he is... I need his kind of patience
1 like@Obito Uchiwa yes he was
0 likes@patrick jay my brother, obviously there is nothing wrong with being a Black man from any country on God's earth. I just thought it a rather hilarious comparison between a brother's reaction from south central Las Angeles and a Bloak from Bloody England. The brothers from England and other parts of Europe appear to handle these situations with a lot of respect, Cool headedness and respect for the Bloody Queen. LoL. LoL. 😆😆😆😆😆 But, us brothers from here in America seem to immediately and vociferously Plead our innocence. I know because I have been in a situation identical to this.
0 likesHonestly I’d just be so fucking mad, that I’d go straight back to a life of crime. If I get arrested, I at least want it to be for something I actually did.
0 likes@Remer714 I Totally agree. In the US you're GUILTY or NOT GUILTY, but never innocent to the jury. It may not be relevant for most but for me it is. In Portugal you're either Innocent or Guilty. And innocent until proven guilty. So unlike what the cop is telling Michael " You have to prove to me that you weren't there" should have been "I was at work, got out of the bus and was going home. YOU have to prove ME that i was at the crime scene."
0 likesCos in our society the smallest mistake or bad thing you do is forever held against you and then it's taken advantage of people and that's what that girl and her boyfriend was doing... it's a bad world, trust nobody if they have no business being in your life and haven't shown any sort of human respect.
0 likes@arya I don't think that's true. Frankly I think Tito and Sankara were great men with almost no blood on his hands, and I don't think democratically elected leaders are necessarily inherently better than dictators. In short, it isn't the act of being a dictator that is wrong, it is entirely the actions taken as a dictator that dictate morality. Would you still put an absolute dictator to the block if he had done no misdeeds and vastly improved the lives of all of his citizens, simply because he was a dictator?
0 likes@Luca Piomelli if they limited personal freedoms, yes. There are some I would have to think about though. I haven't done much research into the two you mentioned but I know Tito had a great story and respect him for standing up against both the west and the Russians. Another example of a man who did good as a dictator is attaturk. I meant authoritarians more specifically
0 likes@arya So to you the biggest crime on earth is limiting the personal freedoms of others. To that I say that from my point of view nobody can be truly free under a capitalist system: you are forced to sell your life to jobs in order to live at all, and coercing one into employment under threat of homelessness is no free choice at all, and frankly no different to being forced to work by a dictator. From that perspective, capitalists are the criminals, and while many are elected democratically they are the ones who we truly need to be liberated from.
0 likes@Luca Piomelli listen, don't take this the wrong way. I'm lefty too. Socdem, so technically still a capitalist, but lefty. I think poverty in developed nations is an embarrassment. But, political freedoms are more important than any other. Having a fairly educated populace who votes for the government of their country with a trusted voting system is more important than any ideological goal of said government. This is because it strongly encourages responsibility of leaders and is dynamic and allows change. I think a socialist government would be great, but I think political pluralism is more important.
0 likes@arya Social democracies are not left wing. In my eyes, left wing is socialist and right wing is capitalist. Moderate right is therefore social democracy, moderate left being democratic socialists. And I think that is well represented in your viewpoints: You are more concerned with civility politics than pragmatism. You would rather have a democracy where no progress is made and people still suffer, as we have now, and the earth will die because each side has to concede to the other, than a benevolent dictatorship that could solve the world's problems without the bureocracy of a democracy. Frankly, I think that is a flawed opinion to have, because you are really openly saying you are concerned with the civil appearance of democracy as opposed to the pragmatic nature of a state that can actually accomplish things without resistance. Adding to this, many countries in the world simply are not ready for democracy. You need first world systems, a free press, and an educated populace in order to make the transfer to democracy sucessfully. Hence, to try and "force" democracy on countries like Libya with relatively benevolent dictators as Obama did utterly destroys them and the lives of the people in them. I am positive the average Libyan would prefer to live under Gaddafi now than be sold into slavery after the government was destroyed by America, which many hundreds of thousands of Libyans have experienced because the american government had to intervene in Gadaffi's "authoritarian rule". Might I add, this was exactly what you proposed doing to leaders like Stalin: killing them. And the result is a destabilized country where hundreds of thousands become slaves. The same in syria: if Assad were to be overthrown now to somehow let democracy in, the region would only get far, far worse than it already is. In these cases and many more, including Russia or Belarus (forcing democracy only resulted in right wing dictatorships), it is CLEAR that democracy was not an option, and trying to force it has only ever made things worse. Not to mention when "democracies" like america TAKE AWAY democracies like chile and REPLACE them with horrible dictatorships like Pinochet.
0 likesI really hope this channel posts more soon
0 likesI think the interviewer started to suspect he was actually innocent after drawing in the boarf
0 likesNever admit guilt... because it looks good on the detective for promotion.
0 likesSo happy to hear about the demotion
0 likesAs an introvert I can only imagine myself acting like the first guy: shell-shocked, confused, and skeptical. How do you disprove a thing that didn't happen if they aren't actually listening to you, just fishing for a confession, and aren't willing to seek out the evidence that proves your innocence? So scary.
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do what we introverts are good at. dont talk
55 likesAs an extrovert, I would've asked to see the video, maybe we can both figure out how I ended up there. Convince me I'm guilty
34 likesYou don't have to prove it to them. They have to prove that you did it beyond a reasonable doubt! It's just better to refuse talking to them in general.
17 likesDude I'm an introvert but I would've been way more livid with all the adrenaline pumping through me.
19 likes@Letalisful Yeah, because they will use any contradictory statements against you, and it's easy to do when you're under stress. Like if i asked you what you did yesterday you can probably recount most of it, but if i asked you again 2 weeks later you might struggle and remember the details a little differently, but any difference in the story of your day will be used against you, even if you're innocent.
14 likes@Kubomi I would talk regardless if I know I was innocent. Like lol. No way I'm staying silent if I'm innocent.
2 likesI’m an introvert. But when I was falsely accused in a workplace setting for alleged sexual misconduct, I behaved even more aggressive than Justin.
12 likesThe worst part was never being told who my accuser was nor the specifics of the allegations.
Michael’s behavior is very unusual even for introverts.
All I could do was go over my actions for every second of the time frame in question and hope that somebody had enough sense to realize that I was the one telling the truth. I was cleared, but I don’t think my accuser ever faced any consequences for nearly ruining my life.
I’m an introvert with anxiety my flight and fight response to stressful situations will make me act like Justin even though my rational side would want to act like Michael
2 likesThe issue is the burden of proof is supposed to rest on the prosecution.. its not up to you to prove you didnt do something, but on the prosecution to prove that you did without any doubt...
1 likeThat's more then being an introvert that's the realization that your screwed for the moment and getting excited isn't going to help you. Maybe it is an introvert trait? We don't talk often, so when we do we look to see if we are getting through and not wasting our time. I don't know If it were me in 2015 I'd have been the same way. Now I'm a lot more jaded. I'm would laugh at the whole notion and say let see the tape. But I'm white and middle aged, I don't think they'd treat me anywhere near the same. Haven't had a cop come at me with his mind made up like that since I was a teenager.
0 likes@👁️ ©°™✓ nah some shouts down and dont speak...
0 likes@Sorest nah, when things are to much and im overwhelmed i shout down, i dont speak. ..i really can related what hes feeling at that Point why he went silent...
0 likes@OsKarMike1306 lol they would have just said that that's not part of the investigation/how it works or some bs like that.
0 likes@Michael Hardin That's the part of accusations that are not really talked about.
1 likeEspecially with the cases that come down to word against word.
It can't be proven or disproven with hard evidence. Yet the general public already hung the noose. It's scary tbh.
@Letalisful well they don't, that is the thing. You are guilty until proven guilty unless you are rich and can bribe the corrupt officials.
0 likes@Heather that’s for a court room. In the work place, you often have to prove yourself innocent. I learned that the hard way.
0 likes@Michael Hardin I wasnt talking about at work but sure I get that
0 likesAll that investigator had to do was check just in case this guy was telling the truth… and he couldn’t even be bothered
0 likesFirst words out of my mouth would be I didn’t do it and I want a lawyer
0 likesAlways Ask for Legal ADVICE!!!
1 likeI would have a few choice words for any investor wanting to lock me up for a crime I never committed.
0 likesThis man is such a legend everybody was asking for an innocent case and HERE IT IS. This guy is actually the best content creator out there.
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I know! And everybody was commenting about how they were worried about how they’d react to an interrogation because of their personality type and he addresses that right off the bat!!! This channel will go far. Love it.
14 likesAmos Kan I was scrolling through the comments seeing if someone had said this, thank you 🙂
1 likeWhat if the “witness” had no “suspect description” though? They mentioned it was a short white guy which obviously isn’t him, but if they had no tips as to who the suspect is and no video surveillance how would his innocence be proven?
0 likes@BillBosby the burden of proof is not on the accused. His innocence does not have to be proven, his guilt does.
3 likesYeah but I wish they uploaded more frequently, Im addicted to this channel.
0 likesAll the crooks are studying this to see how to con people.
0 likesI'm going to pass on one piece of information:
1766 likesEven when you're innocent, do NOT ever talk to the police. No person has ever been able to talk themselves out of being arrested and charged by the police, in the history of ever. Keep your mouth shut, get your lawyer, and have your day in court. Then you can sue the fucking shit out of them.
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State your name & basic info, be respectful, and say absolutely nothing further other than “I maintain my innocence and request a lawyer immediately.”
253 likesEven if you’re guilty. The police are NOT YOUR FRIEND.
83 likes@Andrew Barsky no
135 likesIf you’re guilty (of something violent) PLEASE talk to the police without a lawyer
Are you really out here advocating for violent criminals lol
@countof3everybodyOD it’s not advise to criminals, it’s just common sense. Guilty or innocent, if the cops are trying to interrogate you just 🤐 and let your lawyer do the talking
60 likes@countof3everybodyOD no, it’s just our bill of rights.
11 likesThe annoying thing is if you ask for a lawyer you’d get the “if you were innocent you wouldnt need a lawyer” shtick.
38 likes@countof3everybodyOD Absolutely fucking not! Nobody else listen to this man, period.
36 likesThis is our 5th amendment right: to remain silent.
It's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to let even 1 innocent man sit in jail for a crime he didn't comment. But a cop will sleep easy either way.
They are not your friends, not your family, not your poker buddies, not your church members, not your coworkers.... they are there to do a job.
@Ryno Throwton unless you're driving you don't, never ever ever. Even in stop and frisk States they have to have reasonable suspicion for you to have to provide your name.
8 likesI just refuse and if they go on and on I just asked for a supervisor and if they go on and on I get my five figure payout
The minimum in the US is around 30k and it goes up from there depending on the negligence of the cops
@countof3everybodyOD Thank you lol
1 likeYeah! You have the right to remain silent , In the United States, the Miranda warning is a type of notification customarily given by police to criminal suspects in police custody (or in a custodial interrogation) advising them of their right to silence; that is, their right to refuse to answer questions or provide information to law enforcement or other officials. These rights are often referred to as Miranda rights. The purpose of such notification is to preserve the admissibility of their statements made during custodial interrogation in later criminal proceedings
3 likesI agree with you, but you're wrong in your assumption that nobody has ever talked themselves out of being arrested. Mike Dippolito was able to talk himself out of being arrested when his wife planted cocaine in his car and made an anonymous tip that he was a drug dealer. The cops found it and Mike was able to talk to them and convince them that he had no idea the drugs were there and he was being set up. He was able to convince the cops and they didn't arrest him.
6 likesSo although I agree that nobody should talk to the cops without an attorney present, your claim that "in the history of ever nobody was able to talk themselves out of being arrested" is not true.
What would you sue for? If you don't talk and get s lawyer, then nothing happened to be sued
0 likes@Vault Chang You sue for whatever your lawyer tells you to, man. Because these arrests could have you sitting in jail for months until something happens with the trial process, unless you can post bail or a bond. But even then, missed wages, emotional damages, bond fees, lawyer fees, and everything else that comes with the shit. Wrongful arrests can be a good little payout, bud, but maybe it'll teach them to stress the importance of making proper arrests.
6 likes@CharlieTheTexan if you are arrested, a criminal lawyer can help you fight the charges but will not sue. If you were not jailed, it would likely be a small claims court where you would not have a lawyer as the legal fees will be greater than your requested amount.
4 likesLet's say you wish to sue for a large amount that was not frivulous. The police needs to have demonstrated improper handling, like in this video, or that you spent significant time in prison. If not, the judge will deem the lawsuit to be frivolous and you would be responsible for the additional fees.
The goal of having a lawyer present during the interrogation or arrest is to ensure the police are not behaving improperly and act as a witness.
There isn't that much money in these smaller cases as such we don't see that many statements of claims.
Exactly. Don’t talk with law enforcement, the fire department, EMT’s - no one outside of name and birthdate.
2 likesDamn right.
6 likesEverybody should should watch the video called "Don't Talk to the Police" on the Regent University School of Law youtube channel.
No lawyer would ever say to their client "Sure, talk to the police without me, you'll clear this right up."
4 likes@Vault Chang Thats not really true... If you are held against your will there are multiple things you can sue for regardless of how well they followed their own particular 'procedure'. Procedure is not law, law enforcement procedure is also not law. If your rights are violated in any way by the state, you can sue. The cops could have literally laid out a steak and lobster dinner for you in a waiting room where they planned to celebrate your birthday with loved ones present, and if they picked you up even as a joke on charges that can not be corroborated they can get sued for violating your rights. I understand that a lower court judge might not take the case, but you can keep appealing to a higher court and if you ever catch an ear for any reason at all you get your case. There are people who literally have made a solid living from being arrested and suing the state for 6 to 7 figures, and they spent 1 night in a cell. The more you know about your rights and the more you understand that corporate statutes, codes, regulations, and guidelines are not laws... The more you realize just how free you can be.
0 likesNever talk to the police.
2 likes@countof3everybodyOD Everybody -- guilty or innocent -- should get a lawyer immediately. It's in everyone's benefit -- especially society as a whole -- for even guilty people to have lawyers, if for no other reason but to ensure everyone on all sides of the case are being honest and following procedure. Most defense lawyers aren't there to spring murderers from jail, they're there to make sure the legal system functions in a proper way and that no abuses are taking place.
2 likesUltimately it benefits the justice system, law enforcement, and our society to have a robust system of checks and balances in place throughout the process, not only to ensure that innocent people don't go to prison, but also to ensure that the guilty are properly charged through a transparent and airtight process, thus guaranteeing a conviction.
@Kitsune And you tell them "Well that's for the Judge to decide. You have a team of Investigators. I would like my attorny. No further comments until they arrive".
0 likesI have. I was wrongfully arrested and cleared my name during interrogation. This was in London tho... I was actually the victim, and it was clear as day when I was interrogated.
0 likesI’m so glad Michael was able to get out of that horrible nightmare and rewarded for what he was put through. I can’t believe Justin was incarcerated for over 2 years for something he didn’t do, when he was already trying to stay in the right path by staying out of trouble and working hard. I hope he was well compensated as well. May god help and be with all the innocent people who have been incarcerated.
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He was awarded 45k
22 likes*God
7 likesI’m so happy I live in Norway
32 likesOur justice system is way better developed
@Jonatan Aaby everything is better about Norway but the bad thing about living there is that there isn't any other place on this earth where you can live better. It's hard to get used to living in other places.
6 likes@Raw Visions 45k for 2 years in a prison??? Wow how generous. (Sarcasm)
28 likes@Kitkat 240 I understood it was 45k for 3 days (the calm guy)
28 likes@FireAndIce Not sure that makes up for the conscription..
2 likes@Cely he was unaware at the time of the clip not unaware why he was arrested, in court u are read your crimes its practically impossible to go to jail and not know what u have done
1 like@Raw Visions Not him, the other guy, Michael...
1 likeYou misunderstood that, the narrator was talking about Justins reaction facing two years of prison innocently after having passed time in prison before, so knowing what that meant.
4 likes@Kitkat 240 actually the 45k was for the guy from Hamilton Ontario Canada who spent 2 days in jail. The guy who spent 2 years in jail was from the USA and didnt recieve anything for being wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years.
5 likes@rob mausser 45k for 3 days seems better but doesn't get rid of the unjust. The other Guy got nothing? -_- the american justice system needs some help.
8 likes@Shoonie He had to have been in jail for two years before his trial because the narrator mentioned the accuser being caught in a lie during court. Since he's innocent, I'm not surprised he wanted the case to go to trial.
1 likeHis name is Justin Kendall and he had served 2 years in prison prior to this for a burglary. Then we was falsely accused for breaking an entry, burglary and assault. He was facing life in prison and because his bail was too high he spent a little over two years in jail fighting this case. He was eventually found innocent but didn’t receive any compensation for the two years he lost. Poor man.
6 likes@Kitkat 240 the american justice system doesnt exist. Its a joke
4 likes@rob mausser wtf
0 likes@Cely Damn, maybe he should have set up a GoFundMe or something. That's a story the national media could have helped fix.
1 like@Andrew B I agree, I was thought the same... What they did to this man was really messed up.
0 likesAll cops involved should be fired and stripped of their ability to be an officer in the future
0 likesDoes anyone know what Justin was awarded for those 2 years he spent in jail??
0 likesI can't find it ANYWHERE!
I mean I cry when I didn't do something wrong but when I'm trying to look innocent I give simple answers, more calm and like: 🤨😐
0 likesHindsight is definitely not 20/20. It’s startling how many people there are who didn’t learn from their mistakes.
0 likesWrongly imprisoned for 2 years?! On what evidence?
0 likesI was arrested 12 days for a crime I didn't do it. The court doesn't even apologise. I'm happy for this patient man for getting the money.
0 likesi miss this channel so damn much
0 likesThat's why unfortunately you NEVER talk to the cops....innocent or not smh bc you can be railroaded In a heartbeat! Sad but true
0 likesThere needs to be harsher penalties for police that try to pull this kind of shit. So the one guy had to go to jail for two years before being proven innocent? Okay, now YOU have to go to jail for the same amount of time for having absolutely no regard for other people’s lives. If these are the people we PAY to “serve and protect” us, then we’re in serious trouble.
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8 likesThey are hired to serve and protect the interests of the government, not the governed.
141 likes@notahotshot Exactly, I’ve been telling people this shit for the longest. How often has Law Enforcement as a whole actively fought against Government corruption? Never. They’re Government paid foot soldiers who operate like Mafia enforcers.
85 likes@Victor Nieves and when journalists are suddenly found dead, when they are about to unleash police secrets, it’s ruled out as “suicide” despite it being impossible
45 likes@Higai It’s always so obvious too. “He committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head 4 times.”
47 likes@notahotshot shit, in my town police will come and unlock your car door for you lol
2 likesUh, you can’t put a cop in jail for following orders. This isn’t the Nuremberg Trials.
6 likesMan should have been comped two years of that cops and/or judges salary for the time he had wrongly done
12 likes@Luke Jameson that’s no shit! Hell the other dude got $46k for 3.5 days!!
3 likesthere REALLY REALLY should be, then they would be more careful
4 likesAt last be any penalties, since I beleive there are none.
1 likeIn the first its clearly an attempt of intimidation to force a fake confession. There needs to be due process, in all cases. This officer accused someone and wrongfully imprisoned someone for a wrong place wrong time without evidence. If that second investigator didnt look into it, he wouldve faced a decade in prison for nothing and it wouldve ruined his life for the illusion of justice. This officer is unfit in my eyes, canada or no arresting an innocent man like this is the opposite of due process. If cops like these arent dealt with then it opens the door for more of this, it is madness that only leads to total lawlessness. In the case of the second not just the cops need to be removed from the force, the 'victim' of the fake crime needs to serve the sentence of the accused in full at least. At that point, the procecutor needs to be looked into and the standing jury checked cause if the evidence shows no guilt and its voted guilty then something happened. It is a violation of basic rights to be imprisoned for a crime without evidence and yet every day it happens.
6 likesNeed to go after the people that falsely accuse others. They generally get off free and clear...wtf...
7 likesWelcome to Texas/California.
1 likeAnyone can make this mistake, there is no way to completely prove something, except the 1st one was really fucking funny
0 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer this is why the rights state 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' Unfortunately these days its guilty until proven innocent with most cases
1 likeACAB LETS GOO
1 like@Yummy Medic he’s one of the lucky ones I remember a story of a dude who got locked away for years and years and finally on a whim from a detective looking into the case was found to be innocent. He got no compensation for his entire life being ruined jobs, assets, family, etc... all gone and he reserved nothing but an apology.
2 likes@Victor Nieves there was a beautiful time when the mafia scared the government into doing something.
0 likes@Victor Nieves here's something even funnier the government worked with them for years.
0 likes@Enso Deep you do know why, they get to look in your car.
0 likes@Not Human True.
0 likesThe thing that scares me the most about the 2 years while innocent; they had no true evidence, just the word of a few people. I know a guy who was held for weeks prior to trial, simply because someone accused him; no evidence, nothing.
4 likesIt's the justice system, but it's insane and scary to think your life can be destroyed simply by someone lying. And worse, it so often happens that when those lies are revealed, no charges.
Protect and serve was nothing but an empty motto or some shit made up by people to put more faith in the police
3 likesThey dont serve anyone but lawmakers & the rich
@niveK akninblarg
0 likesI don’t get it? I’m from Texas
@Enso Deep Part of the oath of office empowers you. Too not follow unethical or illegal orders. " I was just following orders " is not an excuse. Nor does it relieve you of your guilt.
1 likeSometimes the right to a speedy trial is a joke. Two years isn’t speedy.
1 likeIt's not the police, it's the investigators that get raises for confessions. I think the police risking their life shouldn't be blamed for this
1 like@Victor Nieves wait a minute your telling me the police who actively report other police for being corrupt don't count 😮 you sound just like your average blm protester 😀
0 likes@notahotshot as if a cop who makes less than a fast food manager would give af about what the higher ups want 😂 they just lock up the criminals to keep there community safe.
0 likesThat sir is called a detective. The police is the one that was told "he yea we gotta suspect for possible breaking and entering and assault, he lives "x" can you go pick em up and bring him in for questioning? Appreciate it." They don't give the officer the whole story just a destination, a target, and an objective. Don't Mistake the justified officer for the wack ass investigators.
0 likes@Agent_Zero2222 what r u confused about... can u not read?
0 likes@Killer Macchiato you’re so naive
0 likes💯
0 likesThere’s a supreme court case that ruled that the cops have no constitutional obligation to protect you.
1 like@Killer Macchiato Exceptions don’t disprove the rule, for the most part the “Good apples,” turn a blind eye. Just because I don’t like Government or Police does not mean that I support BLM, in fact, I’ve never even brought up race.
0 likes@Killer Macchiato Locking up criminals doesn’t make the community safe, a criminal is anyone who doesn’t listen to Government edicts. Someone who doesn’t pay taxes is a “Criminal,” does locking them up keep the community safe?
0 likes@National Security Agency Exactly. A Police Officer could just stand by and watch a murder and do absolutely nothing and still keep his job.
0 likes@Killer Macchiato, they lock up people the "higher ups" SAY are criminals.
0 likes@Enso Deep, yes police will unlock my car door for me also. If I call them they will show up and deal with any crime I report. They will also trample on my rights if the government directs them to do so.
1 likeYou, and I are revenue generators, our place in society is to generate revenue. Law enforcement is responsible for protecting the revenue stream, and the government that revenue funds.
Among law enforcement officers there are those who believe it is their duty to protect the people, and there are those who believe it is their duty to uphold the law. There is overlap, but these two do not necessarily match up.
Then their are those who believe that they are the law, and they serve themselves. These are the ones who are the real problem.
@Catelyn Vans huh?
0 likesThe perfect ending exists. It is in this video.
0 likesOh wow, that ending is unbelievably satisfying. Got to be one of the most satisfying ending to a video I’ve seen in a while.
0 likesIf you haven't trained your mind to healthy analyse a situation then you lose. That is why I'm thankful to what I've become rightnow. I was so innocent back then. People are so fcked up.
0 likesAh yes…
0 likesJustice
We all love a happy ending 😂😂😂
0 likesIf two different people respond to false accusation in completely different ways, then it's clear that innocent people don't have some "universal" response, and all this behavioral psychoanalysis by JCS is kinda BS.
0 likesIt is also likely that the fact one is in handcuffs and the other is not as to why one is more energetic from being restrained and also threatened with extended jail time.
2 likesHonestly… I’ll take 3 days in jail wrongly accused for $46,000
0 likesThis is so much harder to watch than the people who are guilty.
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@Sony She's saying that seeing innocent people being harassed, put under duress, and even falsely imprisoned is much more depressing than seeing someone guilty being analyzed, which can be stressful on the viewer in different ways (e.g. nature of crime, individual, etc.)
148 likesThis is why I never understand people who criticize defense lawyers who are trying to make a case for their client-- like everyone hating Jose Baez or Jodie Arias lawyer etc...it is SOO much worse to convict an innocent person than to let a guilty person walk free. Lawyers NEED to provide the best possible defense and portray all possible reasonable doubt, it makes no sense for people to get so worked up about defebse lawyers doing their job we'd all want them to do for us
32 likesStrangely I think the opposite. I feel more hopeful when I watch this. Like come on argue your innocence, but when a guilty person argues I put myself in thier shoes to see if they can really outsmart the cops and I facepalm and cringe at every mistake that makes it obvious they did something.
6 likes@Sony hard is harder than easy
0 likes@Chris K. Keep in mind that looking in on a situation from a distance with no emotional attachment is vastly different from being interrogated. Partially related to the hindsight point made in this video: it's way easier to observe mistakes as a third party, but being in the interrogation room itself changes things.
2 likesit's even HARDER than you realize. this happened to ME.... and you don't get "paid" any money like that. I was wrongly accused... suffered FAR longer sentencing... was entirely innocent....
6 likesand I just feel lucky to be "Free".... except for one thing. we ALL get treated as "Guilty". The title of this thing is correct............. most Americans are entirely unaware of the truth. All that $hyte on TV? yeah... you have NO RIGHTS......... you don't........... stop thinking you do... I think it is LAUGHABLE me, hearing this dude got $45,000 for his 3 days............. if that were (American) truth... they'd owe ME millions.... it's WORSE than people know ..... it just is. (the "system" will NOT let you incriminate The System .) fact .......................&nobody even realizes it.... until it happens to Them
@CS nah bruh I'd juke TF outta those cops. I'm jus built different.
1 likeDefinitely not. The clips of the guilty people lying that were edited into this video made me cringe so hard.
0 likes@A R yeah it's not the lawyer's job to decide whether a person is guilty or not. It's their job to provide a defense for their client. When they are almost obviously guilty it can certainly be frustrating, but still that is not the lawyer's job to decide. It is their job to defend.
1 likeHappened to me over driving bullshit. They mistook my fucking car and didn’t even get the badguys right places cause he sucked at hIs job. Arrested for my car model.
0 likes@Christopher Anderson youre both making my point for me and then contradicting what you're saying. I dont find it frustrating at all when someone is "almost certainly" guilty, bc a) like you said its their job and they dont get to decide if someone is innocent ir guilty, they get stuck with a client and they review the case and determine where any possibilities of reasonable doubt can be raised and they raise them b) if there is actually no possibilities of a beyond reasonable doubt in the case as a whole, as with arguably jodi arias who from most perspective was never ever had a chance to be found innocent:(and whose lawyer wasnt tying to find her innocet) they will either recommend their client to plead out for as the best possible choice for or theyll build a defense to help the client to either avoid the death penalty or get the minimum sentence.jodis lawyer was trying to help her avoid the death penalty and it is so rediculous how people absolutley ruined his career and totally destroyed him for providing an entriley reasoable possibility that would help her, and c) not only is it important in terms of helping the cients sentencing but we know that cops get tunnel vision and are wrong and we know the facts of the case in those instances still do look bad for the person or sometimes law enforcement and prosecutors can connect them and natrate them in ways that make them look even worse than they are, so lawers still beed to be vigilant even in those scenarios and try to poke reasonable doubt in what can seem like a foolproof case.
0 likesCountless lawyers of the "americas most hated(for some reason it seems always only female) killers" have had their lives destoryed for defending the guilty and it's crazy... the reason that defense lawyers have a job is why the OP stated, and they should never be crucified simply for having a client whose guilty and providing them a defense regardless of if we "think theyre obviously guilty" and shouldnt be attacked non stop ever since about it. People seem to not understand the job of lawyers and will literally say things like omg they should go to jail also they are even more wvil for auggesting ahe may have been abused (and alot of crazy women probably were) or they are scum disgusting ahh w.e for saying anything possibly remotley nwgative about the victim (victims arent perfect) etc, its like these thing may be inportant in a case and people are so unrealstic and obnoxious in expectatjons and sinply association with a guiltly client whose hated therby makes you hatdd and somehow guilty of something.
And thats just wrong considering the importance of their job.
The 26 year old dude really had my sympathy; been in jail before for the same crime so it was like digging himself out of a deep hole to begin with. Super glad both these guys were exonerated and hey, $46K! Not bad eh piggies
0 likesThis IS hard to watch, innocent people going to jail and getting mistreated!
0 likesLike the Holtzclaw case. That guy is innocent.
0 likesYou just are not interested in criminal physiology and this is a very important part of it maybe you just don’t understand you silly
0 likeswow realllyyyyy? no way. 🙄
0 likesRemember this from now on. Next time you see how the cops treat someone who you know is guilty, remember that they do the same thing to people who are innocent, because back when they interrogated them, they didn't know if they were guilty or not: They were just trying to get a confession, whether it was true or not. You only know they're guilty after the fact.
0 likesThat first investigator was such an idiot. He didn't even sound believable. Happy to hear he was demoted, no pay & poor guy got a settlement!
0 likesEveryone should watch the lecture "Don't talk to the police" by the Regent University school of law. You ALWAYS ask for a lawyer, and don't say a word before they get there.
0 likesAs soon as the scumbag detective lied, he should have lawyered up
0 likesWhat I don’t understand is it’s illegal for a civilian to lie to a police officer. But a police officer can lie as much and as hard as they want
0 likesWhen he says we have a video and that makes him relaxed, that should have been 100% an indicator what he's saying is true
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@Alex Fontainne
72 likesNah, He Wanted dat Paycheck.
@Apple Pi that's dirty
229 likesWhen they asked Joe if Hunter did it and he said I’m proud of my son, that should’ve been an indicator what he was saying is true
45 likes@Let Me Catch You Slippin Cmon man, leave politics outta this. You just looking to start an argument.
63 likes@Joe Sorrentino just saying, Joe was definitely telling the truth in that moment.
12 likes@Let Me Catch You Slippin bait
37 likes@Let Me Catch You Slippin check out Kushners shell company. We ain't getting our $1200 nothing for bread and milk. Wake up
8 likesCop was there for a confession and only a confession. There was no interest in an investigation.
42 likes9
0 likesYeah everybody thought of that don't worry...
2 likesExcept the detective....
Not really. A guilty person could still say that if they're confident that the cops don't actually have anything on them.
6 likesThe thing with people is the variety in the way that things can be said, and the psychological games that people try to play. We can never know what all people would say. A guilty man can say what a innocent person would say. They're sitting there asking themselves, "What would an innocent person say?". Also the innocent person can slip up and convey guilt, mostly on accident or inadvertently.
@BeardOfPower Yeah people who are extremely emotionally manipulative can convey what emotion they want. It's terrifying because you can't tell the difference between them and the average person.
4 likesNot true, some people can be manipulative enough to react the same way as he did even if they were guilty.. it's the detective's fault if they accept this as 100% pure evidence and call him not guilty.. also 80% of the people who commented here have such an innocent soul that they've never even gotten back stabbed by someone before
2 likes@Carlcool20 I said 100% an indicator- not that it's 100% true- that reaction should have made the detective investigate thoroughly- which clearly didn't happen- he just ignored it
8 likes@rls725 Fair point.. guess the detective didn't really bother to call this as some "useful" evidence, for some weird reason..
1 like@Joe Sorrentino Or debate.
0 likesSee, why that is not true is that the person who actually did it, probably cased the scene first. If that is so, he knows it's a bluff and can compose himself, even play on the "actual innocent" card that you would believe in hindsight. (Yeah, I just watched a documentary on casing for burglary. Quarantine's great, huh?)
0 likes@PGryphin Yeah I guess you are not wrong.. also yeah quarantine ain't too bad on my side, what about yours?
0 likes@Carlcool20 Actually not bad. I recently discovered that I can use these not-too-fast-paced videos as background while working late, which has taught me what burglars are afraid of and that the innocent behave differently when confronted than I had thought. Also that 6 boys survived on a tropical island for 15 months :D So, I am comfy, still earning, and I'm better informed than ever :D
1 like@PGryphin Eyyy glad to hear that! I hope you and your family stay safe dude
0 likes@Carlcool20 Yeah, I guess we live strange times, but better than as if this had happened like 20 years ago :) Same to you, my man!
0 likes@Mastashake we ain’t getting our $1200 period, so...
1 likeNot only was he relaxed, but he was RELIEVED to hear they had video lol
2 likes@Tyler Grant Fair point, Tyler. But take into consideration that if I know what he's saying is bull, I know he ran out of options and is at the mercy of my confession. That could signal relief.
0 likes@Carlcool20 that's not how body language works, dude. You can't fake it either way even if you'd study body language and trying to.
1 likeThe coo wanted a promotion
0 likesI just doesn't understand the last part 19:40 , maybe the suspect was trying to be forthcoming towards the officer, but i would have just said, that i don't trust him at all and want another officer to get this case investigated, since he absolutely lied about the camera footage. How should i trust this person to cleanly solve this case?
2 likesWell that shouldn’t be the only factor. Many people can say that that’s relieving even though they are guilty
1 likeOr ya know, train urself to relax at that term and get away with mass murder cuz it cant be you, you became relaxed and relieved when they said they had video proof
0 likes@Joe Sorrentino oh my fucking god when left brings up politics in totally unrelated subjects like video games the excuse is always "everything is political". Now what? Now it's somehow different.
0 likesThe black dude better stay calm. His margin for error is very slim. Any attempt at acting like that other WILL BE USED AGAINST HIM.
1 like@Joe Sorrentino Man your right!!! And when Trump shows the evidence that Obama illegally wire taped his building. Or when those guy get back from Hawaii with that birth certificate shit is gonna hit the fan!!! Oh yeah just a couple of more court appearances and Mayor Giuliani is gonna blow this whole thing up!! Many people are saying this. Everybody knows.
0 likes@Alex Fontainne Demoted and suspended with out pay?? This cop should have been fired.
0 likes"Oh thank god you have video! Now we can find out who did it!"
0 likes"I was actually lying. I know it was you. Say it was you. It was you? Just say it was you. Say it. 3. 2. 1. Say it. Just give the word. Was it you? It was you. Tell me it was you."
That guy seemed very cool, collected, analytical. Maybe he should be a detective instead.
0 likesThey took more videos down??? This is ridiculous.
3 likesIs it just me or are all the other videos on this channel missing???
4 likesAdd a zero onto the damages amount and it's justice. Less than $50k for something like that is a joke.
0 likesThat must be the most patient man in this whole world. Officer deserved to get out of that room with a broken neck
0 likesThat ending was so satisfying - what a terrible ‘investigator’. Shameful
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it was painful to listen to him try and use interrogation "tricks"
1469 likesRight? He sounded like it's his first day on the job...disgrace
767 likesLol, if this happened in the US, they'd get promoted instead. People go to jail for years while innocent and get nothing for their time. 40 grand for 3.5 days isn't bad at all. Canada, gets it right again, good job.
733 likesWas just gonna say. Ends with the perfect revenge sting.
194 likesTotally agree!!! Canada is a bit shit in that regard
36 likesI am still quite enraged by this investigator.
189 likes@SadgeJake Daniel Shaver was shot by a police officer while on his hands and knees crying because the officer was giving conflicting commands and he was terrified because he didn't know what to do. They let him get away with it and then gave him a pension.
237 likesIt's disgusting some of the cases we have where police get away with fucked up shit. We need reform.
@SadgeJake dude.....
9 likesthank god i was born england
12 likeshorrible investigator, indeed!!
26 likes@andrew clifford lol
1 likeThat absolutely was satisfying...
5 likesI hope there's no mark on his record because of this. I know a guy who was picked up from school by the cops and charged with planning a school shooting all because in casual conversation some outsider heard he said no security system is 100% proof. All he could think was having a charge on his record and screwing his future employment.
50 likes*typical. Might be terrible too, but it's far from rare.
2 likesI thought he was the janitor coming in to question him.
14 likesEnding was PERFECT!
13 likesI knew something sounded strange when the investigator was demoted and the victim was compensated. IT WAS IN CANADA.
45 likesSeriously! Didn't even fucking check the alibi..?
50 likesI'm really glad that other investigator came along and looked into it, that's total bullshit
Guys trying to get a confession to boost his career and gets demoted, that's amazing
The other guy having to do 2 years is absurd though, just railing him because he had priors
I hope he got a settlement too
We had a comment chain on another video saying it would be interesting to see innocent people so I'm stoked he posted this haha
He’s the worst investigator
10 likes@Adrian Dacruz I'm Irish and old enough to remember internment, UK police force is rotten to the core.
5 likes@Amellia Mendel did you watch the video? He didn't commit the crime.... thats the point
15 likesI pogged hard when I heard the outcome. Let's fucking gooo
3 likesI know! Lol i instinctively did a fist pump in the air when i heard they were demoted and suspended without pay
5 likesYou are in my head
0 likes👍Exactly!
0 likesEven the arresting officers were crap he clearly isn't white to begin with
6 likesHad such a big smile on my face. What a shit investigator. People like that need to be fired.
5 likesHe’s not even good at trying to sound convincing either, if he had video evidence there’d be no reason to accuse this man smh needs to find another job.
9 likesIndeed!
0 likesAgreed
0 likes@andrew clifford What does being born in England have anything to do with it? You mean you live in England right?
1 likeThose type of detectives are the ones looking to close a case, not justice!
4 likesWhat’s the interrogator’s accent?
0 likesActually the one investigator in the interview, Oliver Mann was promoted to Sergeant despite the botched investigation and insisted, despite the evidence and findings of the court that Dixon was guilty.
7 likesThe other main investigator was only suspended for 3 days and died so all of the money he was supposed to pay out didn’t get paid because they wouldn’t hold his estate responsible.
Spoilers! Thanks a lot
1 like@guachingman He is what I would imagine would happen if someone skimmed through Jim's videos at 10x speed and was like, ok, enough training for me, let's go interrogate now.
7 likesOmg you’re not kidding, I literally said out loud “finally some ACTUAL justice!“.
2 likes@Tazer Face And then the whole crowd clapped. lol
4 likesthe investigators in Egypt find that you are really innocent, they will accuse you Whatever You innocent or guilty , because they will not bother looking for the real criminal
4 likesSimply you fuckd up anyway
(Plus they become heroes And they get promoted 😂😂👌💲)
Never talk about justice in your country 💀💀
Unfortunately, the detective in question still works for Hamilton Police now.
1 likeCLICK
1 likeLewdgh.com....JCS should win some type of award for real
0 likes@Tazer FaceCalm down Karen. This open forum. If you post something, then it can be replied too.
2 likesTo be fair the guy was hard to read. He reacts in a way that is bizarre for the innocent. I can see how based on reaction alone they get it wrong.
3 likesThe REAL problem is the failure of the department to check into his alibi which would have cleared him and gave them more time looking for the correct suspect! How stupid are they?
@Adrian Dacruz he's not a brit... he's Australian
3 likesI love how his attempt to get promoted for getting a confession without evidence (which was horribly misguided) led directly to him being demoted. I'd say that's a healthy dose of karma there.
5 likesSausage Mahoney hehehe ur dad is cool
0 likesVery satisfying
0 likesThe cops bust become more important than the truth.
0 likesWoah, I swear I was going to type the exact same thing as I thought those exact words in my head.👍
0 likesCanadians are so polite
2 likesCompletely agree with you. The last 10 seconds of the video was the best. So relieved. Whoever the "outside investigator" was that looked into it, thank God they did. Holy shit.
3 likesI know right like “hey it was a short white guy” “alright, well I just arrested a tall black man and don’t want to admit that I’m wrong so I’m leaning into this”
7 likesI just came to say this same thing, that's awesome he was compensated so well, I hope he was able to get his job back as well! Good job to the REAL investigator who had his back
2 likesYea sort of but everyone involved should be fired and barred from ever being police
0 likesThat investigator being like “I care about the truth”
7 likesMe: -_- boi it sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself
Agreed.
0 likesThis comment was the only reason I watched until the end
0 likesI'm glad I did
@Miranda Sinistra-Gorsuch is Daddy well actually they asked if he was drunk before and he said no. It doesn't justify it, but if the officers knew he was drunk, it most likely wouldn't have happened
0 likes100% satisfying👌
1 likeSausage Mahoney that’s called a double bind, a lose-lose. Narcissists often use them.
0 likesYes. Thank goodness he got his dues and the pricks who tried to stake their reputation on him were punished. They deserve worse than a demotion though.
0 likesThey should have been fired. Shame to see canada has the same problems with their judicial system that we have in the US.
0 likes@MrToloki me too!!
0 likesAmellia Mendel he didn’t LOL. Were you paying attention? He was arrested for coming home from work while being black. Or do you mean NO ONE should commit crimes, as in Utopia?Well good luck with that.
1 likethebullylynch you beat me to it. As an Irish Catholic watching that shit in NI in the 80s, that ignorant comment they made nearly made my head explode.
1 like@𝓕𝓾𝓬𝓴 𝓕𝓪𝓬𝓮 what if he was accusing you of being a cry baby
0 likes@𝓕𝓾𝓬𝓴 𝓕𝓪𝓬𝓮
0 likesThat one was in Canada, not England, and maybe because, that dude served three DAYS in jail, rather than the "Just over two YEARS." the American guy served.
He was in way over his head, and he's lucky he had a reasonable victim to bully. The settlement was actually very mild.
0 likes@SE Mowery
0 likesI think he means he's glad he lives there (and was most likely born there too). Rather than in Canada or in the United States.
@G. Anthony Benjamin
0 likesThey're in Canada, he's probably French Canadian.
You ruined it.
0 likes@LemonGraab the Forsaken
0 likesHe probably didn't even notice it on the paperwork until he walked him into the integration room. Then realized, "SHIT, this dude it's black... not white." Then thought, he's tall as hell too ,and was just like, "Aw what the hell, Fuck it!!!! I'll just try and wing it, maybe he'll just say he did it. Then I won't have to go find the REAL criminal."
@Tazer Face
0 likesI thought they were called "Kevin"...🤔🤔🤔
Stacie Green it definitely was not a French Canadian accent
1 likeThx for the comment also satisfying
0 likes@Just some Guy "imprisoned for just over two years"
0 likesJustice!
0 likes@G. Anthony Benjamin
0 likesOkay.
There is way way worse
0 likes@SE Mowery sorry yes born in England and live in England you do get a fair trial here free phone call in minutes to call who ever i am just a old man who like to watch justice around the world so sorry if you where upset
0 likesAgreed.
0 likesSo satisfying, I thought the SAME EXACT THING!!!!
0 likesWhen I heard they were demoted I literally laughed out loud
0 likes@SovereignServant No, hes not Australian, he is an expat English man living in Canada. I live in London and we all know the difference between Australian and English accents.
0 likes@Adrian Dacruz I know the difference between English and Australian and he definitely doesn't sound English. I'm Scottish with family all over including Australia and England and there is definitely a twinge in his accent that makes him sound Aus.
1 likeAprils fool mikey +_+
0 likesExcept for the part where they were only suspended.
0 likesikr my smile just grew & grew
0 likes@BCBtheBeastlyBeast and he was released with compensation after 3.5 days so no harm done. the other guy got 2 years though and we don't know what happened to him.
0 likesandrew clifford England does this all the time, England can even put someone in prison and not tell them when they are going to get out.
1 likeit’s the system that’s fucked up, i went to jail in my early 20’s for a marijuana cigarette “ first offense, and had to pay a lawyer 1g to reduce my felony to a misdemeanor. but the real kicker is that i had to work odd jobs for most of my life because of it, and it doesn’t say 1 joint on my record, says possession of illegal substance. and the crazy thing about it was that it wasn’t even good weed. there was no good weed in the early 90’s, where is my pay?
1 likehe got docked 3 days pay. that's it. after locking the innocent dude up fo 3 and a half.
0 likes@A Baller is not so much that, it’s when they ask what the charge was for and u have to put possession of an illegal substance
0 likesNot for Mr. Extrovert 😬
0 likesIt is not a job that I envy that is for sure.
0 likes@Adrian Dacruz based
0 likes@Viki Belanova hello beautiful
0 likes@SadgeJake you do know JCS lives in Canada, and he even said himself if this interrogator was successful he would've got promoted.
0 likesIt wasn't the system that saved Michael, it was a different investigator who decided to research.
They were only suspended and demoted. That means they're still cops and still able to ruin other people's lives. There's nothing satisfying about that.
0 likesLoved the ending. Just rewatched
0 likesSpoiler Alert
0 likesFor 46k it might just be worth it🤔
0 likesAs a Native American in continental United States that is crazy. We can barely sentence people who kidnap and accost us because we’re traveling with our ID’s and not theirs to 18 months.
0 likesI was very dissatisfied with the fact this kind of behavior doesnt lead to immediate termination without question
0 likesThat ain't no investigator. That's a journalist
0 likesLol he was caught lying. "I reviewed the tape" what a clown
0 likesI’d rather this guy then someone who gives the killer a cookie and a cuddle.
0 likesThat ending felt amazing to hear
0 likes@SadgeJake blatant lie
0 likesThis “investigator” should never ever do the investigator.
0 likesAll it took was a look at the cameras😂😂
0 likesHey..you stole my comment 😉
0 likesSoooo happy for Michael
Agree.
0 likesHe’s just doing his job
0 likesWhy is your name so close to mine lol.
0 likesFor real my smile just grew
0 likesThat $46k isn’t shit for what Micheal went through. So glad at least something happen to those pos detectives. Wish they had lost their jobs all together.
0 likes@Stephen B it happens but mostly every cop be trying to cover for one another
0 likesMakes me admire the hell out of the other investigator. That first guy should be ashamed.
0 likesSpoiler
0 likesyea I'm so glad they got punished for wrongly imprisoning someone that's a crime 🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@Odin Satanas I think he was in jail for 2 years for another reason. Different than what the interrogation was for
0 likesAt last, some justice 😤
0 likes@SE Mowery moving to other countries is a rare privilege
0 likes@Jay pretty sure he went to jail
0 likesAHHHKK YESSS!!
0 likes. Goes inside the ‘ l bozo plus ratio
0 likes@someguy just doesn’t though does it. Virgin
0 likes@andrew clifford | Take it from a Canadian, don't, don't, DON'T let yourself think like that. The old "well at least we aren't doing as bad as those guys" mentality is the reason why we HAVE most of the issues we do here. Such thinking lets you sweep serious problems under the rug.
0 likesYeah the 'investigator' is a joke
0 likesIf every criminal always is saying how they didnt do it and its not them, itd be hard to immediately believe someone as well
0 likes@SadgeJake yeah, Canada's been doing so great eh..
0 likes@andrew clifford that interrogator sounded British
0 likesEven if his actions were incompetent, the system should be blamed!
0 likesThat investigator reminded me of Murray from Flight of the Conchords. Just completely clueless and incompetent!
0 likesI get lost in these videos they make my day
0 likesCops call me and ask me to come in and talk.
0 likesMe: hang on let me give you my lawyers number.
So , we have more innocent in prison than ever 😳
0 likesJust do what the cops say. If you're innocent, you'll be fine.
0 likesThe cop doesn't care about the truth, only cares about obtaining a false confession.
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That cop
5 likesAnd or an impressive conviction record, which begs the question, how many people are innocent but is omitted because he wants to look good on record having a lot of arrests. And will pull every dirty trick in the book to achieve his goal.
53 likes@javimiami92 Are you hating her because of party lines or is there any reason for that? "She was just like them in California" seems quite vague.
17 likes@PurpleChalk californian cops have a tainted history
31 likesConviction. All they want is to get a conviction. They don't care about getting the person who actually committed the crime. Much easier to get a conviction of a black person than a white person.
35 likesI know.
0 likes@javimiami92 Kamala is a rookie compared to Trump
6 likes@Dr.Mabuse Trump is a cop. never knew that
5 likes@Miss Princess So if he said he hated Trump would you still call him a racist?
9 likes@Dr.Mabuse What you said doesn't make sense in the scope of what's being discussed. Trump isn't a lawyer and he never served as a District Attourney, because he is a real estate developer.
5 likes@javimiami92 In the scoope of "The cop doesn't care about the truth" and "That’s why I hate Kamala Harris" in an attempt to politicize the narrative, it may be worth pointing out that the truth is not so important to Trump either as he keeps pardoning criminals on a regular basis.
8 likes@Lee Reynolds So much for truth and justice.
1 like@javimiami92 She wasn't a Police officer?
0 likes@Samaslamatha No, she was way worse.
4 likes@TheMiracleMatter She is an attorney. Attorneys work for their clients, which doesn't guarantee justice.
1 like@Samaslamatha She wasn`t the DEFENSE lawyer, she was the prosecutor ! iirc there is all kind of shenanigans like that time she withheld evidence proving the innocence of a man on death row !
3 likesWant your mind blown on how police doesn't give a single fck? Search "Don Bradley Vigilant Elite".
3 likesGuy was a CIA contractor for more than a decade, before he was serving in the military for a bunch of years, gets shot in the head on a random road rage incident, almost dies, gets arrested because they pulled the wrong rep sheet, his family doesn't even gets contacted, wife tries to clear everything, gets mistreated and they just double down on the accusations, meanwhile the guy that shot him wasn't even processed. He is lucky because probably a lot of crimes would be impossible and because he has A LOT of meaningful testimonies to his character, but still, if justice was this incompetent until now, it might very well continue to be and there is a chance he lands in jail over fckng nothing
@TheMiracleMatter That's the whole point of being a prosecutor and what I just said. You don't care about the truth or justice. The only thing that matters is your client. Its her job to get her client to go free, not the other way around.
0 likesBecause they want it to be over as fast as they can
0 likesAnd this is in Canada.
0 likesAnd getting a promotion.
0 likesthe police*
0 likes@PurpleChalk Many people on the left hate kamala harris. Including me
1 like@Samaslamatha Avoiding criticism of kaamala by doing watabouts to mike pence doesn't make her look better. Her record shows she is a careerist and will do anything to get ahead. Even forcing false confessions and withholding evidence to further her cases.
4 likesIn Canada your guilty until proven innocent
0 likes@Miss Princess No they act like that towards everyone in Canada
0 likesI am a cop, and I agree with you 100%. Makes me sick to my gut .
0 likesfacts
0 likesGosh that horrible
1 likeNot "the cop" Literally all cops. That is their job.
1 likeThey just want a CONFESSION, false or not.
0 likesthe cop is a cop, so yeah
0 likes@javimiami92 sniff sniff are those snowflake tears? Delicious.
0 likesThe last sentence of this video sounds so satisfying.
0 likesYUP!!!!! they don’t care what happens to the person as long as they “solve” and close a case
0 likesThey only care that someone take the fall. False or not. They aren't specifically looking for only false confessions
0 likes@Lockshabaz have you met most cops?
0 likes@DarthVantos Its not avoiding criticism. If she is a careerist who cares.. most people want to go up the ladder in their career and also whos to say that mike pence isn't a careerist.
0 likesYep
0 likes@Offended so insightful
0 likesSimply say 1 word: LAWYER.
0 likesThat's such a good ending lmao
0 likesAwesome news that the pig's all got demoted and suspended with out pay PS they should of been fired to be held accountable
1 likeThis was so frustrating oh my god
0 likes"All you have to do is call and ask my mother!"
5802 likesMan, you can really tell this dude is tired.
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honestly feel so bad for both these people
262 likes@Timothy Geegan are you having a stroke bud
53 likes@Gia I dont understand that detective, he didntfollow any potential lead to prove his innocence. That's his job. Is to make sure the Innocent dont get punished, and that the guilty get found. Not just the latter. He fucked up his life
62 likes@Pohorex that is his job. However a lot like to just put the blame on someone or something to simply close the case.
5 likes@Shane Bolger they better have reviewed his actions on a false imprisonment and potentially had him fired, or at least demoted to a B-cop. Likely didnt though, unfortunately
7 likes@Pohorex pretty sure got demoted and had pay suspended. Honestly not enough if true
0 likes100%
0 likesRegarding the outcome of the case of 37 years old Michael Dixon whom was falsely accused of breaking into a jewellery store on August 15, 2003, in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
10 likes20:08 The narrator stated; "The truth eventually did come out but, the suspect wasn't treated decently, he was kept in jail for three and a half days before a separate investigator looked into his alibi, witnesses and checked surveillance of the area in question. He was then exonerated immediately, a civil trial ensued and Michael was awarded $46,000 in punitive damages. The interrogating officer and three other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay."
Sounded like a dude who has worked really hard to turn his life around, just to get slapped in the face by moronic policemen.
8 likesYeah like "Don't tell her what happened, don't tell her that I'm arrested, just ask, give her no way of knowing about this whole situation so you know she has no reason to lie and if that's not enough it's their word against mine and my mother's, if you don't have any any other evidence, which is impossible since I weren't there"
2 likes@dig deeper
1 likeThank you for your response. My comment was transcribed from the narrator in conclusion of the video and wasn't updated. I found the additional information you've provided in the link to an article very interesting, particularly knowing the following identities of the incompetent police: Oliver Mann, Christian Beaulne and Jason Leek Mann, have since been promoted to sergeant, Beaulne is dead.
@Richard The Eighth - Oh you were very clear on where it was coming from, I got that. Some story, eh? At first I thought $46K sounded not half bad for 3 days' stress. Not after finishing the real story. It just makes sense to give cops like that consequences, but that was back in 2006. I wonder if we'll ever get back to those days again, where consequences aren't dependent upon critical theory.
2 likes@dig deeper
0 likesDitto, $46k for tolerating three days of BS. As the saying goes "the truth eventually comes out." Globally, policing is no longer policing because it attracts psychopaths, criminals and tyrants, typical behaviour of the younger generations, whom don't have sufficient people skills or life experiences, and expect everything to be served to them on silver platters. They've disconnected themselves from the communities they've sworn an oath to serve and protect, with honesty and integrity. Now they only serve their masters, in the process line their pockets with our hard-earned pennies, whilst facilitating their egotistical desires. It is my opinion that all must take part, particularly the younger generation in order to bring changes if we are to get those old days back.
@Richard The Eighth - I see your point, but is it really fair to put it all on younger generations?
1 like1. Who raised them? 2. Who schooled them? 3. Who's using them now?
I don't think they disconnected themselves from communities, I think that was done TO them. There are still lots of older cops, and the ones in charge are older as well.
The most diabolical, seasoned politicians RN are Boomers. The fact that it's a worldwide phenomenon is proof this break down of traditional values is orchestrated, so what chance did young people have? It's also proof that psychopathy is rampant in Boomers. They're doing the orchestrating! Many boomers are out there marching with BLM, in body or spirit.
Even lacking the constitution of some of the older generation, there's a notable contingent of Z/Millenials who want to do right by their country but need better leadership. I think you're right, the younger generations will be required to help right things. And, as happens in revolutions, the ones with the establishment will have anger on their side, a good motivator. But those fighting for freedom will be fighting for their lives
@Pohorex Your expectation for the cops are waaaaayyyy too high. The bar is so low
0 likes@dig deeper
0 likesYou've raised some great good points and your communications are cogent. Regarding the younger generation, tarring them with the same brush was a little unfair, I'll express that as the young with said behavioural traits appear overrepresented, but also across different ages, as well as agree with you on points one and two that their nurturers, carers and educators bear a responsibility. On point 3, it is my opinion that the Freemasons, so-called elites and other influential people in power, and their organisations that finance and operate a global network and fully agreeing the "politicians" public and private sectors influence and use them. Just as you mentioned the disconnect was "done to them by the older cops" you're bang on. Equally, the cops own desperate recruiting measures, inadequate vetting process and lowering the IQ level, decreasing then eliminating free thinking individuals to those void of mind, unthinking individuals (robots programmed to follow orders) prolific, particularly amongst the ranks of the younger cops. Consider the facts that before each shift all cops are briefed by senior ranking cops on what duties they are to carry out and they're reminded of the attitude they must exhibit in order to maintain the upper hand over the public.
I guess we'll be doing our best to hold our public servants accountable, keeping them in check, by continuing to exercise our rights in order to maintain our freedoms.
@Shane Bolger pretty sure? What you're pretty sure about was said in the very last sentence of the video....
0 likes@c10wn baby at the time of my comment I didn't watch the entire vid and went off what I heard already. It was also very apparent the guy asking hadn't watched it all either
0 likes"Michael Dickson" i nearly died bro ahahahaha
1 likeThe legend of Michael goddamn this guy just screams reliability what a badass
0 likes17:08 - Not enough. The interrogating officer should be fired, immediately arrested for FELONY false imprisonment, as the offense was perpetrated by abuse of authority.
0 likesMichael lucked out when another investigator looked into the case. Who knows how long he would have been detained for otherwise.
0 likes"The suspect is a tiny white male"
19728 likes"Gotchu fam, get me the tallest black man you can find, fast."
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😂😂😂😂
274 likesFacts
99 likes"for whatever reason this evidence wasnt looked at or rejected." yea fookin right i got an idea to why it wasnt used
898 likesGotta love the police lol
170 likesDave Chappelle:
550 likes"CALLING ALL UNITS, CALLING ALL UNITS! WE ARE LOOKING FOR BLACK MALE BETWEEN 4'7" AND 6"10. AROUND 120 TO 350 LBS. GET THIS MAN!
Dude looks like a suntanned white guy to me lol. When I deep tan I get mistaken for being a full Nate.
53 likesAmerican police
26 likesor native/indigenous :/
12 likesI’m just imagining them chasing a 5’3” white guy down an alley then he turns, they lose sight for like 3 seconds, hit the same corner and just tackle a random black dude walking down the street. “We got him bois”
303 likes😂🤣👌🏼
1 likeHilarious but messed up for sure
6 likesAll black people are the same person
9 likeslol, he ant no brother man, he's just got a good sun tan, saying that he is probably the blackest guy in Canada. Good enough I suppose.
3 likes@Lewis Beattie biased
11 likes😭😭😭
0 likes@Iaqh he’s talking about in general
1 likeFirstly, arrest the first black fella you see and disregard the initial report. Secondly, lay out the situation and then be deceptive. Thirdly, use anything they say against them.
33 likes@Terry Armbruster nah
0 likes@~Ito~ (糸) 😂
0 likes@Iaqh People like to project racism to the US only, as if racism only existed there.
34 likes@ShyFang hahahaha facts
0 likes@~Ito~ (糸) I was making a joke about racist people
0 likesNo kidding.
0 likes@iceson lokos American police in general. Want me to rephrase? He’s saying American police in a nutshell.
0 likesNot only that, we evidence is very conclusive and there isn’t even a question regarding whether you are guilty or not.
1 likeyou changed everything except for male
2 likesWe live in a racial jungle.
2 likes@Iaqh lol
0 likes@Iaqh canada is still in america... lmfao
5 likesWell he is a tiny male in a white tea, maybe the camera was black and white and maybe it could've looked like him especially with a white shirt idk . but this guy seems like it was very very easy to find the truth, i also dont understand in this situation they are talking yet he says to him "there is no reason to talk about weither yoy did it or not" thats just foolish to come to a conclusion before even going through the proper steps and their demotion was earned and thats great news
1 like@Lewis Beattie not true in the slightest but okay
3 likesIf anything if theyre so unsure, they could get his information and keep him as a person of interest. But to do what they did is pathetic.
1 like@Lewis Beattie not really, the vast majority of shootings blm protested were justified if you look at the cam footage yourself. BLM is now asking for bodycams to be removed after lobbying for it to be there in the first place. If police can kill black people without repercussion why don't you go ahead and release Chauvin? lmao
2 likes@tmoe American means from the United States, it's the accepted demonym for the United States of America. "United Statesian" isn't a real word. And unless you've been living under a rock medias hate police in the US, within context it's very clear the subject in discussion is policing in USA, stop being dense
3 likes@Sean Hunter and he responds with actual racism against white people but no one bats an eye
2 likes😂😂😂😂😂😂
0 likesIt's like the boondocks bit of that dude on death row getting arrested. At least this guy got to sue and get money for this bs and the officers were demoted.
0 likes@ShyFang So every black American except Shaq got it
0 likesThe suspect is a small white male "oh okay get me a fucking gorilla" "uh sir its a person" "oh then tall black male"
0 likes@Iaqh Canada is in America.
0 likes@ShyFang lmao
0 likesActually true tho like wtf 🤣
0 likesHahahahahha
0 likesRIGHT😭💀💀
0 likes@Lewis Beattie the fact you said that and people agree shows just how misinformed people are
1 like@Lewis Beattie police wouldn’t be killing white, black, or brown if they weren’t trying to attack them, shoot, stab, get their guns and many other things on a DAILY BASIS!!! This is NOT a new thing. It’s been happening forever! Criminals will always try to do whatever to get out of trouble.
3 likes@Bella B no fucking way,I mean,your technically not wrong
0 likesIn Vince McMahon voice
0 likesThat sounds like america alright
1 like@Iaqh tomayto tomato
0 likes@Iaqh Canadiens, Mexican, Brazilians: these are all Americans. Just as French, English, and German are all Europeans. "Are you a idiot?" I enjoy the fact that 62 people responded yes to your question; 63 counting yourself.
0 likes@iceson lokos We aren't the only country American country. Just the only ones to incorporate the name of the continent into our name, ostensibly to be obtuse.
0 likesLmao
0 likesMmmh yes. I know all. They disguise as the black giants. Always. Trust me im a detective!
0 likes@Sean Hunter huh? Wtf r u saying
0 likes@EpicGoatman i smell a smell a smelly smell a smell that smells like r a c i s m
0 likes@Iaqh Woah take a chill pill, they were just joking. Canada is still in America after all
0 likes@Anonym 1 How is Americans talking about racism in America implying racism is only in America? Like stop trying to belittle it, it’s still wrong.
0 likes@Kalyn C. How do you know that @Tuna is american? Also, when people see racist police work and instantly reply that this must be american police, despite it being not the case, then I don't see how that is possibly not implying that racism only exists in America. If you think that my intention was to belittle it, you are mistaken, because I actually meant the opposite, whch is that racism exists everywhere but people like to claim it is only a (big) problem in the US. For example, when people in my country are dicussing wether we have a structural problem with racism in the police, people always like to bring up, that our police officers are not american cops after all and of course not racist, because in our wonderful country we couldn't have such a problem. It is a defensive mechanism against criticism of the police outside of the US, that even parts of the left fell for and it needs to be called out.
3 likes😂😂
0 likes@ShyFang lmao
0 likes@Joseph joestar ok kid
0 likes@Connor Wood Truth
0 likes@Iaqh America is a continent and Canada is in America
0 likesShit I was in opposite situation they were looking were for a black man 5'3 to 5' 5 wearing black hoodie shorts black backpack. I'm white 6 foot was wearing the same thing. They called his description over the radio I looked at him said I want your supervisor here right now. Sat in the back of a cop in hand cuff for 30 minutes for him to show up. Then laughed when he chewed them out because I'm wrong race and half a foot taller than the person they were looking for
2 likes@Nathan Wilcut Cops hearing "black" in the suspect description and becoming hella stupid. Why doesn't this surprises me...
0 likesWherever bureaucracy exists there's complacency I'm willing to bet multiple people ignored the details on the write ups, just because.
0 likesAs a tall black guy a nightmare
0 likes@Pepe Beezon "stop being dense" pot calling the kettle black, except the kettle's blue
0 likes@Yeet SpaceAlpha get your eyes checked then
0 likesAlways worked on the Sopranos.
0 likes@Pepe Beezon I'm not the kettle or the pot, think you need to get your eyes checked since you can't read
0 likes@Yeet SpaceAlpha did I say you're either of those. Makes you wonder who needs to learn to read
0 likes@Pepe Beezon what?
0 likes@Pepe Beezon you said to get my eyes checked, in reference to my "pot calling the kettle black, but the kettle is blue" analogy, either you don't understand what I meant by that, or you're trying to backtrack
0 likes@Yeet SpaceAlpha I have neither enough time or crayons to explain this very simple sentence to someone of your intelligence
0 likes@Pepe Beezon if the logic you're trying to argue here, is the semantics of literally not calling me the pot or the kettle, then you're correct.
0 likes@Pepe Beezon you haven't tried to explain anything, you've just been insulting my intelligence. If you want to try and explain the logic behind what you're trying to say here we can try and come to an agreement, or we can just sit here throwing stones back and forth at each other and calling each other names.
0 likes@Yeet SpaceAlpha "I'm not the pot or the kettle"
0 likes"I never called you the pot or the kettle"
"I'm not the pot or the kettle"
Lmao, go take your meds
Since I'm the one I still spell it out for you, is that what I'm saying here, is that your first response doesn't make sense. I've been question you on what you mean by that, in which you go on a tirade about semantically not calling me a kettle or a pot. I then ask you to actually explain your argument, instead of just hurling insults, to which you respond by... Hurling insults. What exactly are you wishing to accomplish here?
0 likesCan I swear to God if you try and get me on misspellings, or the weird grammar, I'm using voice to text so it's a lot harder to correct the way that things are said
0 likes@Yeet SpaceAlpha >goes around calling people dense without elaborating on anything
0 likes>people respond in kind
>"you're just looking for a reason to be better than someone"
And you're right, I didn't form any argument in my conversation with you. But what is there to form an argument about since all you did was calling me dense? You don't get to play the "you don't have an argument" card when you initiate the conversation with just calling people dense
"Black"
0 likesI can admit that I'm in the wrong for not actually explaining my half, yet repeatedly asking for your argument. But I will say that you never actually answered the question of what you meant. You can give your answer in the next reply to this, being that I'm not going to ask again, and this is my final reply overall
0 likesYou know what, no. Where did you get the information that you mentioned in your first comment. That being the no more body cams, the being racist towards white people stuff?
0 likesBecause the track record of where that information usually comes from, is not a reliable source, meaning that there is usually a cognitive dissonance to fully believe something like that. So hence my original joke," the pot calling the kettle black, except the kettle is blue" the analogy being, that you are calling someone else out for being dense, whilst they are not that, you in fact are.
0 likesYep
0 likes💀💀💀💀
0 likesBAHAHAHA
0 likesI can only imagine the cop looking for a “criminal” and he/she got a guy that fit the image of what a criminal looks like in his/her head.
0 likes@Anonym 1 the usa and the west is where ppl pay very close attention to anything racist go somewhere else like asia and u will see open blatant racism like the usa had 100 years ago not joking ppl are insanely racist outside the west but no one is there to point it cause they are basically all racists
1 like@ShyFang lmao
0 likesBruh lmao
0 likes@Lewis Beattie ye
0 likesThe guy who was seen walking away from the scene? Derp!
0 likes@Lewis Beattie He only got demoted though?
0 likeslmao
0 likesI'm not even gonna scroll down and I can tell someone is talking about racism down there, people are so annoying, I'm sorry for everyone who read through the negativity, have a great day
0 likes😂😂😂😂😂
0 likes@Lewis Beattie bs
0 likesLOL
0 likesHe was an easy suspect he had a criminal past and it happened to be robbery. They were lazy pointed the finger at him locked him up and called a lunch break
1 likeI think we all learnt a lesson from Michael today.
0 likesjustin was literally tapping his foot showing he was impatient and wanting to go
0 likesI’m glad Michael was compensated.. no excuse for the treatment he received
0 likesMichael Dixon's reaction to being falsely accused is the reaction of someone who has probably never done anything wrong before and finds the situation utterly ridiculous versus the ginger guy who has been locked up before and knows exactly what's coming and is trying to avoid it all costs. Understandably that's why his reaction is much more emotional.
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good way to sum it up
103 likesIt's impossible not to get emotional at the thought of going to jail specially if your a law abiding citizen, Micheal is on a different level here, yes you can keep calm but i doubt any innocent person would just accept things like this.
96 likes@Deecee So, you're saying Michael WASN'T innocent??
23 likes@Deecee I disagree. I believe that video and the commenter was trying to say that Michael as an innocent man can’t believe the situation he’s in and ultimately will find some way out because there’s really no evidence against him. That’s why he was so happy to hear that there’s video evidence
82 likes@Deecee lol well you’re obviously wrong because here we have a video of a man who was falsely accused and he managed to stay calm. As tangible as a counter example as you can get lmaooooo
24 likes@Deecee you're looking at it from a biased position of how YOU would react. Not everyone has a short fuse and reacts aggressively to situations. Michael is literally evidence that you are wrong, since he is by factual definition an innocent person.
45 likes@Evan Knipper micheal had NOT spent time in prison though, which is why he's able to keep calm, whereas ginger man knows the hell inside jail
9 likes@Andrew Charlton same above applies
1 like@Noktious Games nope i did not say he is not innocent
2 likes@scored I may have confused you guys with my comment, what I was trying to say was micheal was exceptional in being calm and accepting of the situation, which was specially hard when you know the truth and have evidence for it.
18 likesEnglish is my third language im sorry if i got you guys confused
@Evan Knipper To my point at 5:12 the narrator says that micheal is an anomoly
3 likesI still think Michael did it, with the help of Daniel Ocean
1 likeNo, I would be fuming if they talked in active tense that I did something that I know I didn't do. I think anyone would & has every right to whether they've done anything in the past or not. You don't mess with anyone's livelihood like it means nothing.
2 likes@Deecee I was just being pedantic really, I know what you meant lol. Clearly Michael here is very intelligent, and most definitely finds the whole situation ridiculous
2 likesit's like when the teacher told all the students to shut up when you're just chilling there silently.
3 likesI don't think that's the point, I mean, I've never been arrested but I would act the same way as the guy who started talking loud and shit
0 likesIts more about personality
the vid explains pretty well :p
@JetsFlyingOffATrain u dont need to go to jail to know it isnt fun 😭 literally everyone knows its a hellhole
0 likesIt's partly that, but it's also the difference in psychology in the difference between a black dude being accused and a white dude being accused in a police station. The black dude knows he needs to stay calm.
4 likesThe white dude knows he doesn't need to and can let his emotions go.
“White guy” would have sufficed... 🤡
0 likes@Chuck McFayden Ah yes, because anyone who doesn’t automatically categorize people by race, must be a clown 🥴 Stop projecting, Chucky.
3 likes@ytaccount haha!
0 likes@joshua ha the white dude had past convictions though
0 likes@Deecee I 100% disagree with you. For some people they understand the upper hand at staying calm. He offers the investigator genuine evidence but refuses to look at it before putting him behind bars. You probably are a convict yourself taking notes on what to do to not get caught.
0 likesGood sum
0 likesAlso, he knows that he has a solid alibi. The emotional guy, knows he only has his Mums word. Michael has the fact that he has been at work, and on a bus. That 'detective' could have proved Michael's innocence beyond any doubt with a couple of phonecalls.
0 likes@Is it over yet? yeah well, as someone with red hair and someone who is also white, it just seems unnecessary to use a derogatory term rather than a practical one.
0 likesOh hello let’s go to a hotel by the way what huskers your moms house and what year was that oh try to talk to you about whatever CCW
0 likes@MrLongbottle honestly, I couldn’t decipher wtf you just said lol
0 likesMichael Dickson lol
0 likes@Deecee not everyone reacts emotianally lol. Plenty of people that hide their emotions around strangers or family. And on top of that hes a grown man not a toddler so being able to remain calm is not that out of the ordinary honestly.
0 likesAnd someone t hat foolishly believes that the system is just and that evidence matters or even exists.
0 likes@MrSinister718 seriously?
0 likes@Deecee all these people still replying to you lol. If you replace “any” with “most” it’s easy to get what you mean.
0 likesExactly what I’m thinking.
0 likes@Anita Dont get the reference? Yikes
0 likes@MrSinister718 I do
0 likesJust sitting here in the U.S. wondering what it’s like for cops to be held accountable like that. Demotion and suspension without pay!? That terrible interrogator would have been promoted here.
0 likesWe need more videos!!!
0 likesAs many might not know (accents!) it is Hamilton in Toronto, CANADA where this happened with Michael Dixon, not the USA. BTW the technique they used is REID strategy which is not concerned with innocence, more like guilty until proven innocent.
0 likesThe “investigator” is such a joke
1 like"We have a video camera with the proof"
7534 likes"Okay, then let me see it"
"No."
Shit like this makes my blood boil.
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It should make you happy, that proves they don’t have it
258 likesIm on the fence here cos both of you make a good point🤔
61 likesone opinion doesnt mean everyone. @go away
15 likes@go away by your logic, it is unfair to assume your parents are their to help you. It is impossible to generalize all investigative officers as completely unwholesome and robotic.
66 likesHe was lying at that point in time lol they don't have access to camera footage for the first day usually
9 likesThat's because they don't actually have the footage, they're bluffing to see if he would tell the truth
17 likes@VeggieBoi9836 but it IS unfair to assume, without additional context, that your parents are there to help you. Many many people have abusive or manipulative or selfish parents. There are no requirements to being a parent besides having working genitalia.
28 likesPolice officers in most of the world have low or at least imperfect standards of training and supervision. How many McDonald's workers fuck up your order? Do you trust all of them to not spit in your food? Probably most of the time, unless it's a very poorly run franchise or a worker who doesn't care about their job or the franchise is known to have corrupt staff with a history of food spitting.
Apply the same logic to cops. Sure you expect and hope for them to do their jobs perfectly, but the fact is that they're not held to high enough standards and not held accountable enough for their actions in most cases. Anyone can make a mistake but when you're in that position of authority the price isn't a Big Mac with pickles when you asked for no pickles, it's people's lives.
@VeggieBoi9836 except cops have an extensive history of being corrupt and not having nearly enough training….sure there may be some “good guys” that are cops and wanna do well but no matter what they work for a corrupt broken system and uphold corrupt laws. They are sworn to uphold the law no matter how fucked up it is. So no, “good cops” don’t exist. Any “good cop” would quit and actively fight for change. That’s the only cop I’d ever trust.
44 likes@Cenfer not always! I think it can be very case specific
1 like@go away... And they are also there to solve and prevent crime
1 like@VeggieBoi9836 they're not completely unwholesome and robotic but that wasn't his point. The point is that their job is to find someone who's guilty and not to help the innocent. If that's what they get paid for, it's really just wishful thinking to assume that they'll be all nice and helpful instead of doing their actual job.
7 likes@go away police ARE their to help u tf do u think their job description is (supposed) to be
0 likessaying things like that help against guilty people, it may look bad because the guy is completely innocent but those tactics help more than they hurt
0 likesWhat’s worse is that all the “investigator” had to do was investigate readily available surveillance footage. He knew that he was trying to get a confession from an innocent man to further his career.
2 likes@Guytrash Gurtdog Then when there are no "good guys" in the system what is suposed to happen, will it colapse on itself. A good person with high enough standards in the correct place can inspire and push forward those near them. We perceive cops as corrupt because what we are exposed to, it doesn't outstand when a cop does their job because that's normal, that's what they are supposed to do, so we don't have caounter for "times a cop has done their job". But when a cop does something wrong it outstands and our brain tends to compare it with other things specially with our inexistent counter and then we are biased. Our perception has been skewed by the simple fact that we don't have all the information.
4 likes@Guytrash Gurtdog damn, I'd hate to be in your negative narrow-minded echo chamber
0 likes@Kasami amen
0 likesidk makes it me laugh (because of how stupid it is)
0 likes@NyanCat1907 No. There bluffing to see if he'll confess, not tell the truth. The object is to get a confession whether false or not.
0 likesThere is something sinister about the ability to lie without consequences.... on a daily basis!
1 likeThere should be a law in place that interigators can't lie about unshown evidence they have during their questioning, and can only omit information or insinuate they have it. Or if they bring the evidence up as an argument, they must present it to the suspect. Because I wonder how many false confessions have came from that kind of tactic? Especially with the way they pressure suspects and try to break them down mentally.
2 likesI respect those who work hard to catch dangerous criminals. I get that it's their job get the truth whatever means necessary. But for someone who's job it is to find the truth, they sure do lie a whole bunch.
I once got accused of shoplifting when I was about 14 years old (I didn't do it btw)
1 likeand me and my friend got called in and he accused me just like that for looking at make up, never did I open my bag or put anything anywhere; so I ask him "so what did you see?" and he tells me, he saw me on the camera taking something and putting it in my bag
then I was happy because I thought 'great, no way there is anything there! I can prove my innocence by looking at that again' so I tell him 'okay, show me' and he was like 'what?' (clearly confused and I didn't get it)
so I tell him again to show me and he suddenly gets up and tells me that I can go; just like that
no words, no video, no apology; NOTHING! I was so confused and I still don't get what his deal was when I asked to see the footage...
"It's still classified information"
1 like@VeggieBoi9836 no, its possible to generalize investigators
0 likesAt that point if you know you’re innocent there is not point in playing the game. Simply ask for a lawyer
2 likesI mean, if you had filmed a crime, would you want the police showing the footage to who they think is the criminal, considering things like the angle or other details might let them identify you?
0 likesAn attorney could probably get to see it though, right? And then bitchslap everyone involved hopefully.
same
0 likesThey should not be able to use lies if you can't
1 likeIt depends on whether you're guilty or innocent.
0 likesIf you're guilty, these words are ominous because that evidence could actually exist.
If you know you're innocent, it can't possibly exist. If you were never there, there cannot be any physical evidence tying you to the scene. If you were down on the lakeshore smoking a bowl or three, your shoes weren't leaving bloody tracks on the other side of town.
Remember that if you are ever in this situation. You know you're innocent and you know the cops will see that -- eventually. That knowledge will make you behave like the innocent person you are.
@Proud Progressivx grow up
0 likes@Amethyssite Yes they do, that's the purpose of "patrolling". Also by solving crime and getting criminals off the street they might prevent future crimes from happening
0 likesSimple solution “I want to Talk to an attorney”
0 likes46K dollars for 3 days and a half in jail...this guy deserved it, he's the nice polite type
0 likesThe investigators should've been fired, not just suspended.
0 likes"We have you on 4K!"
0 likes- Oh yeah? Can I see it?
"..."
- Well then, I'm not going to answer any further questions until i talk to a lawyer, have a good evening "officer".
I absolutely hate being falsely accused of anything, even just people telling me I did something I didn't, it gets me fucking furious, I don't know how I'd react in a situation like that
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I know a guy who gets furious at both being falsely and rightly accused. I think at that point its more of a how dare they contradict me thing than anything else.
10 likesBest thing to do is just resist the urge to go off on them and get your damn lawyer
14 likesSo do I, I flip when I'm accused of something I didn't do. Would then get me charged for my actions afterwards lol
6 likes@Bhreagh Maclennan How do you react when you get accused of something you DID do?
0 likesI'm pretty upfront and honest
6 likesdon't play among us
0 likesI’d stay calm, get thru it, then sue for $Millions for false arrest, malicious prosecution, etc.
0 likesSame. I'll gladly admit wrongdoing if I actually did it. I'll explode if I'm accused of doing something I took no part in
0 likesI was so satisfied with this ending with "the investigators were demoted and suspended without pay". Especially after how smug the investigator was at the start.
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This isn’t about ur comment but we’re both of these guys innocent on this video and who actually committed the crime
0 likes@wyatt kinsey-mier yeah apparently this is of 2 innocent people who were later exonerated.
0 likesAs the robber, this would be hilarious to watch
0 likesThis is super scary. You can literally just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and end up in some shit. First thing I’d say, I watch JCS on YouTube, get me a lawyer.
0 likesKnow this: all cops lie
1 likeThe 1st case sounds like a south park joke.
12270 likes“The suspect is a small white man.”
“There he is!”
Officers points to tall black man.
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That made me laugh
248 likesThat shit happens tho
617 likesI got accused of robbing a 711
I’m brown 5’10”
The guy who actually did it was a white male blonde hair blue eyes 😒😒
Followed up by
264 likes"He's coming straight for us!!"
@Glitch In The Matrix They always suspect black people because of racism.
271 likes@Marcos Jimenez dam, my Argentinian neighbor loves kids like that. He also for some reason sounds really German.
61 likesthe exact opposite--
11 likesactually laughed out loud at this
5 likes@Glitch In The Matrix Take a buck-wild guess.
7 likesDisgusting isn't it.
26 likes@Bongus Wungus despite being 13%...
10 likes@Glitch In The Matrix racism
2 likeshe isn't black
4 likesThat soo soo stupid 🙄 those police man must be fired !
7 likesWell, you're not wrong.
0 likes@AlexJustAlex YT Why? Are you mad that racism exists? Did I hurt your little conservative feelings? Boohoo.
28 likesHow does this even happen tf
2 likeslmfao seriously.
0 likes@RandomChristianMusings
31 likesit certainly harms all races, but it would be dishonest and hypocritical to not acknowledge that it harms POC disproportionally
@Cookie Craze dont tell me youre refering to old nazi generals having fled to argentina
1 like@Ace Wyvern wow, they got the joke.
1 likeHaha! So true
0 likesImb4 someone says its "muh blm racism hurr durr" instead of just being a normal person and just realizing that its just police incompetence lmao
7 likesWatching this shit makes me so angry. Wish I could find it funny but it’s absolutely freaking ridiculous. The damn suspect was white. I’m so glad the detectives got in trouble. That doesn’t often happen here in the US. Sadly. I’m fed up with poc being guilty and jailed until proven innocent. Our founding fathers made our bill of rights to make sure this shit didn’t happen. Yet it happens every damn day in every city in every state in this white washed racist country.
5 likes@ImNotNarcian for the record I’m just comparing it to something that south park would do and I understand that the situation was due to incompetence rather than racism.
2 likes@Tim O'thy If you'd have stopped and thought about what you were reading, you wouldn't have 1, gotten so triggered... 2, looked like an idiot in the process... And 3, made me stop and have to explain the joke.
0 likesMaybe next time.
@Mad Scientific Hey. That's my bad and your right. My ability to sense sarcasm was not working last night and I failed to read the room. I see that now and I apologize.
1 likeWell that's just how it goes. If there's no person around fitting the description go for the black guy. If there is someone fitting the description still go for the black guy.
2 likes@Offstar1029 that also feels like a south park joke-
0 likesTho i dont understand why people label the first bald guy as black.. he looks more white than black :?
0 likes@Mike Kabooble dw man ik u ain't. Wasn't referring to u
1 like@Allison Robertson he was jailed or found guilty. In fact the white guy from the other clip was. So what's your point??? Please Don't make up boogeyman like that. Just starts more racial discourse and anger between people. Makes the gap bigger
4 likesLol it totally does
0 likes"he's coming right for us"
1 like-jimbo (paraphrased)
@Some Guy Called Cerberus oh God damn it you beat me to it, you basturd! 🤣
0 likes@Bongus Wungus you love to assume stuff huh
4 likes@Captain America pretty sure that’s the exact quote-
1 like@Mike Kabooble "it's coming right for us" is the direct quote lol
1 like“Stop resisting!!”
2 likes‘Fires entire mag at chest’
@sowishful I feel like that is definitely something they would do.
0 likes@Karlis Liepa He is 100% black, if you're somehow unable to tell in the video all you have to do is google Michael Dixon and literally the first picture will show you he is black.
2 likesWas that guy Canadian? I swear he apologized to the detective.
2 likesIf this didn’t happen to me, I would laugh. A white female cop stopped me on my way home from grad school classes because a white man with blonde cornrows robbed a bank. I, a black woman with my hair braided, was stopped and searched because obviously it was me. 🙃
3 likesI wonder if you think the innocent white dude who went to jail was because of "racism".
2 likesWoke people like you love screaming racism when something even mildly bad happens to a black dude, it's unreal.
@Angel Ambi As I said I understand that it was due to incompetence rather than racism. I’m just saying it sounds like a joke they’d make on south park.
2 likes@Bongus Wungus ofc and what about the white dude who went 2 years in jail ? I guess it was also about racism against a white guy :D WHITE LIVES MATTER
6 likesOh god 😂😂🤣
0 likes@Angel Ambi I will point out that the police were chasing a WHITE man that robbed the jewelry store they were told it was a WHITE man, and so when they lost track of him literally arrested the first BLACK man they saw. The white guy in this video going to jail was because of complete bs, the black guy getting arrested was racism. You literally cannot say it's not because of racism. Any person with even half a brain would be able to instantly tell that the guy they're arresting could not possibly be the person they were chasing because he literally is a different colour.
7 likesLMFAO
0 likes@RandomChristianMusings just say your racist and dont want to admit that systemic racism exists and go .
6 likes@ImNotNarcian that disproportionately affects black people bozo
4 likesExcept its all to often a reality.
0 likes@Natalie RG no it don't. Don't respond I don't want to debate you
0 likes@Bongus Wungus nah.
2 likes@RandomChristianMusings logic escapes those who emote.
0 likes@Marcos Jimenez because of our current racial climate, hispanics are sometimes counted as white in pursuits because of the range of difference in color, some hispanics are white, some are brown etc. Sometimes this even extends to browner hispanics so long as u arent orange.
1 likeExactly! If ever there was a stronger evidence of racial profiling! 😮🤔🙄 The policeman also states that there is no evidence to his innocence... er, ...
2 likesAlot of people are mistaking this as me calling out ‘racism’
1 likeThat's totally an Officer Barbrady
0 likes"Open and shut case, Johnson!"
0 likesSpot on
0 likes@Marcos Jimenez You got Officer Barbrady'ed
0 likes@Carole Berreur *Detective
0 likesThe claim is used to pressure guilty people to confess and admit to their crime, he was much less pressuring at the end of it because he had began to question the own evidence he had.
Don't mistake it as Racial Profiling, its just an interrogation method, they did the same to the white guy and was adamant about his guilt, he was the one who was actually incarcerated not the black guy.
@Marcos Jimenez bro, i don't undestand a shit of this measure of American height, here in Brazil the height is measured by meter. for example, I have one meter and sixty-eight centimeters (1.68)
1 likeCan you translate for me?
@RandomChristianMusings it harms all races, but statistically blacks r more likely to experience injustice by those sworn to protect and serve, and imo it's harmful to only bring up injustice to all races when people bring up the obvious systematic racism towards black people that the police force is literally founded off of
3 likes"Fine police work, Mitch."
0 likes@GamingPhreak you don't even know what the term means let alone how to actually apply it. If you can't pass a GED test there's no way you're ready for this conversation. Sit down
1 like@Marcos Jimenez Well, you know what they say: “You fit a description.”
0 likes@LORD HUNTER {Lua superior 3} mah, pra converter para pés e polegadas vc basicamente divide sua altura em cm por 30, o resto da divisão tu divide por 2.5, a divisão por 30 resulta nos pés, o teu da 5 e tem resto 18, ai divide o resto dessa divisão por 2.5, no seu caso da arredondando 7, assim você tem sua altura em pés e polegadas, a sua deu por volta de 5'7".
2 likes@jhota 、 entendi tudo, minha altura deu 5 e sei lá quanto
0 likeslmfaooo
0 likesThis happens. Officers once surrounded me, searched me, and I did not fit the description at all.
0 likes@Bongus Wungus Muh racism!
0 likes@RandomChristianMusings Yet the disparity of black and POC being apprehended as suspects/racially profiled is still large. Tell me one thing, what is so hard and scary about accepting the racism and discrimination that exists? Such fragile guilt feelings man cmon
4 likesPOW POW, POW POW POW!
0 likes"GOT EM!"
@Marcos Jimenez this whole racism thing wouldn’t happen so much if people started getting fathers back in the homes, and moms to stay with their husbands. Statistically, your more likely to go to jail without a two parent household.
0 likes@GamingPhreak maga
0 likes@Marcos Jimenez I'm white, have blue eyes, am male, and am blond. 😳
0 likes@Mr Leaf you set me up smh
0 likes@Ambustio what are you trying to say?
0 likes@Cookie Craze Oh, that's a very well known Austrian painter who's name is Adolfo Hodor.
0 likes@Bongus Wungus I’m not sure who wouldn’t be mad racism exists. Why you getting upset at people for disliking racism?
0 likes@KingSlinky What? people are hating on me for saying that racism exists, not the other way around.
0 likes@Bongus Wungus oh sorry
0 likes@Karlis Liepa seriously
0 likes@Allison Robertson he actually didn’t get in trouble... he got a promotion and is now a Lieutenant . Fucking horrendous
0 likes@LORD HUNTER {Lua superior 3} você tem 5 pés e 4 polegadas.
1 like@Lulu Bugz ah, então é assim que funciona essa medição
1 like@LORD HUNTER {Lua superior 3} Sim , eu tenho um aplicativo para isso quando estou nos EUA por esse motivo :)
1 like@Lulu Bugz adios
0 likes@Lulu Bugz brabo, eu não vou nem pra esquina então tô suave
1 like@LORD HUNTER {Lua superior 3} kkkkkk ah não 😅, somos brasileiros, sou baixíssimo 1,1 metros. Eu não conheço muitas pessoas altas em nosso país
1 like@Lulu Bugz como assim 1,1 metros?
1 like@LORD HUNTER {Lua superior 3} kkkk eu sou uma mulher muita pequena.
1 like1,1 metros = 4 pés 11 polegadas.
@Lulu Bugz mas isso aí já seria ser uma anã, pessoas pequenas ficam entre 1,40 1,50
0 likes@Karlis Liepa hes black.
1 likeLMFAO
0 likesI literally read “there he is’ in barnbrady’s voice. Lol
0 likesI know right?
0 likes@RandomChristianMusings can u send me a link to a case where the dispatcher says a tall black man but instead a white male is arrested?
0 likesMichael trusted the detective would do his job and properly investigate. If it weren’t for the fourth detective Michael would have gone to jail. I’m very grateful the three investigators were demoted. I hope they looked into all the cases these detectives have worked on.
0 likeshe probably has a good amount of veiwers that are criminals and learn how to seem innocent incase they are ever interogated
1 likeOfficer 1: suspect is a white male, 5’8” with a beard and long hair. Wearing a bright pink jacket, with “I’m the man you’re looking for” written on the back.
0 likesOfficer 2: arrest the first black man I see? Got it.
id ask for a different detective or just insult dude and end up in jail for it anyway
0 likesFirst guy is an average good natured citizen who is oblivious to the seriousness of his situation. Second guy has done time already for a similar charge. He knows how serious his situation is, and how his record is probably going to screw him. When he freaks out, he has fully realized he's going back to jail even though he's been doing the right thing. I feel bad him most of all. Did a crime when he was young. Did his time, realized jail/prison sucks and he isn't built for it. He gets out, works hard and honestly, yet some scum bags accuse him of a serious crime just because they know he's going to look more guilty because of his record. I hope he's doing well now.
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Willfully falsely accused. The accuser should do the time of the false crime.
177 likes@mipspc I 100% agree with this. Anyone that purposely, falsely accuses someone of a crime should absolutely be counter charged with an equal or more serious sentence. Yes, it occasionally happens with a falsfication charge or community service, but totally agree they should have the same penalty be brought against them.
130 likesLike false rape charges that happen because a girl doesn't like someone. So many of them just drop the charges or say oops when they know they won't win. So few ever get so much as a wrist slap for destroying someone's life. Even just being accused of something today carries a huge stigma that can ruin your life. False accusers absolutely need to be charged, every time.
Yeah, I don't like how Michael's behavior is considered atypical.
26 likesi don’t think he doesn’t realize the seriousness of the situation. He’s just confident the truth will come out. I always act like that when i’m falsely accused of anything
41 likesHe shouldn’t even have to worry that he’s going to jail.. bs policing.. false claims of evidence .. the whole situation is wrong and fucked up
10 likes@Saif Pretty much. Nothing you can do, so be respectful and let the process work.
8 likesAnd enjoy the payday once you get out.
anybody know the second guys name ?
1 like@GGR Sam justin
2 likesYeah that guy, he's like great, look at the security camera footage, talk to the eyewitnesses, why didn't the police at the scene go talk to the bus driver? He has way more faith in the system than he should have. He doesn't freak out or aggressively proclaim his innocence because he thinks the police will quickly investigate and they will see that he did nothing wrong.
11 likes@Marie Brown I agree with your assessment here. This man is an innocent person but my goodness, he is so close to going to prison for a crime he did not commit.
5 likesIt's time for red to get the fk outta dodge & make new friends all together. His peers are holding him to his past.
1 like@ShiroTheHiro i disagree here. it’s very difficult to prove rape, which is why most charges are dropped. it’s not because they’ve given up. very rarely are people falsely accused of rape, and when they are, the accused is capable of bringing the accuser to court and suing them for defamation. you’ve got the right idea, but wrong motivation. because most people don’t bring their cases to court til months or even years later, it becomes a lot more difficult to sufficiently prove what had happened, beyond reasonable doubt. rape cases are some of the most difficult cases to prove. please, avoid dismissing violence against women because you fear that you’ll be accused simply because a woman “doesn’t like you”. it stems deeper than that.
4 likes@mipspc yeah!
0 likes@gracie s-r Do you know how insanely difficult it is to prove defamation and how for many people even once it is proven they defamed another there is minimal to no consequences?
3 likesThe first guy was a perfect example of what to do and I’d argue he knew the seriousness of that situation because of how he handles it.
0 likes@gracie s-r Oh boy, you have some research to do. Why don't you go get a list of the requirements for being found guilty of defamation.
4 likes@gracie s-r I don't think you understand that just the act of accusing someone ruins their life. There are cases where people have proven they were falsely accused of rape and their lives are still ruined.
6 likes@gracie s-r Yeah.... You really need to look at the actual standards. You managed to avoid mentioning any of the important things.
4 likesAfter all, by your standards, if I could prove you implying me not being educated cost me money, I could take you to court and win... And anyone who is even remotely aware of how the legal system works finds that view laughable.
Trust me the first guy isn't oblivious to the seriousness of the situation lol i react the same way cos all i want us peace and i don't like competitive and combative behaviors and i've dealt with those kinds of behaviors too much in life while growing up and having anxiety and depression knowing how people will take advantage of that too, my natural instinct is just to just work through situation so i know what i'm dealing with until the end to sort this out but... if my safety is threatened in any way i too will file a lawsuit in the fullest force.
0 likesI didn't want to draw attention to myself, i tried to resolve this peacefully but you didn't... and it also only shows intelligence because it's the best way to catch people out when people mean us harm not having our best interests at heart and trying to trick us for no reason at all... you took it there anyway even when you said you had nothing to gain, clearly you did, Why did you have to take it there if you meant no harm?.
That's why someone like us hates competitive and combative behaviors cos people do stupid stuff and we logically see it as aggression and ill intention cos it usually is, you don't NEED to get combative or yell either, we're ppl that see things for what they really are, that cop was off the bat clearly trying to find the first person he saw to take the fall for it as an easy solution.
@gracie s-r Rape is easy to prove. You need to immediately call the police LIKE WITH ANY SERIOUS CRIME!!!!! They send an ambulance and they use a rape kit to gather the evidence.
5 likes@Saif you're a cat, what can you even be accused of?
0 likes@gracie s-r I'm not talking about girls who are truly raped and you know that. There have been countless cases where girls - and it's usually young girls - accuse boys of rape because of any number of false reasons. I'm using that as a specific example. Hell, there was that USU student 2 years ago that was literally getting railroaded until they found a security clip of him and the girl leaving the bar all over him. It was the ONLY thing that saved him and she said "you're right. He didn't rape me. I was embarrassed". And that was it. I'm talking in those specific circumstances. So dont take that example out of context. You know exactly what I mean .
1 likeThis video feels incomplete. Like, it just kinda ends without any actual conclusion.
0 likesWell, justice was done in the end. But how many other people are currently in prison because of corrupt or incompetent cops?
0 likesThe police are a real issue in this country, flat out, ego with a badge. Completely lost to what they were originally formed to do, protect and serve. I'm not sure it's even possible it's so far gone and corrupt at this point. When you have a good cop rate of like 1-2/10, you're not succeeding.
0 likes''I treat everybody as an individual''
0 likesWTF is that even supposed to mean?
So satisfying to hear Michael was granted 46k at the end of it, those investigators should have been fired though. I feel sorry for anyone who is incarcerated under circumstances like this.
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Those investigators should be punch on their head
200 likesYeah he sucked but we don't know his track record, he could have had a million other amazing interrogations. Perhaps his wife divorced him that morning. lol who knows. but yeah the whole time I'm like... This can't be happening.
63 likes@FannyBandit I'm sorry that you think so, but in reality it's actually a factual thought/observation. are you saying you know a person completely and fully from one encounter? No it's just not possible. Basically what I'm saying is...you should stop looking for comments to put your stink breath attitude on and realize I didn't like the investigators attitude either if you can read.
81 likesSay you're having a bad day at work like everyone has on this planet, do you deserve to be fired for that? Also let me give you a few examples of excuses so you can understand the English language properly.
"I'm sorry for being late, I was stuck in traffic"
"I was not in school today because I had a doctor's appointment"
However me stating we don't know the kind of day an individual is having nor do we know his life story is not an example of an excuse being used, but a fact. it's what we call giving an alternative view to the current situation being perceived or as some call "not judging a book by its cover". we see this guy is being a bit of a prick, fact. assuming he is always like this based on one situation is not a fact but an observation.
I hope you take the progression of your education into consideration as it will prevent you from further humiliation in the future.
Or maybe they should've been charged and imprisoned. Their levels of negligence and injustice can, and does, ruin lives. And people wonder why so few trust in law enforcement.
128 likes@Matilda Stanford look at the ending I'm sure the man was ecstatic to get almost 50 grand. Besides say the man was guilty and the investigator was doing this technique our opinions would be completely reversed in hopes for the investigator we don't know how many times the strategy has worked for him and how many murders he's brought to Justice. It's a risky maneuver unfortunately investigators aren't the ones bringing in the suspects that would be the police grunts. The investigator has to rely and trust that he was brought an actual suspect. it was a risky move and this time it was quite unsuccessful.
10 likesHe should've gotten a lot more, to be honest.
80 likes@Hex Slayer yes but he was only cleared because another detective looked into it more, if he hadn't and they went thru with the prosecution/ sentencing that innocent man would still be in prison as we speak. And apart from that fact no monetary compensation could ever be worth the stress and damage to his life, for you to suggest otherwise says more about you than it does me.
77 likesI am of the opinion that there needs to be far stricter repercussions for L.E.O blatant miscarriage of justice AND for anyone who falsely accuses anyone else (aka perjury) of a crime that is proven to be deliberately misleading that is, currently, not happening.
@Duane that's a bit of a stretch because in life there are so many awful things that can happen and to say ones actions cannot be written by what they have gone through is a farce. However I agree this situation is horrible. But nobody is perfect and how we nitpick everything in today's society, is becoming suffocating for everyone. The anxiety of pleasing every single person on the face of the planet has been the recent obsession of our society.
3 likesI guess the real and true concern in the end is if the real bad guys were ever caught.
That really tipped me off for the differences between US and Canadian law enforcement oversight. In the US, he would have been awarded $12 and a bus ride home, and the cops would have gotten off scot-free.
4 likes@Hex Slayer It's not a matter of trying to please everyone it's a matter of don't fucking lie about having evidence of a crime when you don't, in fact, have evidence of that crime, then hold someone in custody based on the evidence you do not actuallly have.
24 likesAgreed 100%
1 likesuspended w.o pay is the song of wretched criminal justice workers :/
1 like@Hex Slayer imo track record doesn't mean shit if he was willing to jail an innocent man for a quarter of his life for a promotion
16 likesthe 46k was definitely not worth it. It looks like Michael was very not familiar with the system. and he would've definitely got something on his record and removing records in Canada is a very tedious process and prospective employers might still get see the record which would be a huge red flag if the HR/hiring manager isn't big on context (which they wouldn't be if they're in a hurry). a year of minimum wage is not worth a lifetime of difficult career prospects.
7 likesHe should've freaked out like a normal person and hopefully someone more senior could be brought in to clean the mess
Those investigators should go to hell
0 likes@Hex Slayer "I got stuck in traffic therefore it's completely okay and I should go completely unpunished for trying to ruin someone's life for something they didn't do so I could get a promotion" bruh do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound, you're actually trying to justify a cop commiting a crime with "but they could have been stuck on traffic earlier that day :("
16 likes@mike johnston Bob Did he actually get something substantial on his record though?
0 likesAnd the police officers for arresting him for no reason
3 likes46k?? That’s it??! He could have earned more on the outside, that’s absurd.
0 likes@Matt Hamann In 3 days?
0 likes@Hex Slayer if your bad day could potentially ruin somebody’s life, you don’t get to have a bad day.
17 likes@Hex Slayer Independently of whatever the cause it is that made the detective act like he did, incompetence has no place in such delicate lines of work.
6 likesWhen you have the power to fuck somebody's life up, maybe being an easily swayed emotional troglodyte makes you unfit for that job.
@Hex Slayer None of what you've said could excuse deliberately attempting to sentence a man to prison time, effectively ruining their life. The sheer stupidity of your argument is quite baffling, honestly, and continuing to assert your position within it is what's truly "humiliating." Ijs.
6 likesIt sucks it happened but I’m so happy he got a least a decent reward. Cops always just trying to pin it on on someone to either get the ego boost of solving the crime fast or meet that arrest quota
1 like@Hex Slayer that doesn’t warrant a falsely accused arrest. And on top of his innocence, he wasn’t even treated correctly with 3 days in jail before they even took what he said into consideration. That is just straight negligence and slightly unethical as you’re trying to get to the bottom of a case, not trying to make up one and pin it on someone. Glad they demoted
2 likes@Matilda Stanford the worst part is, if he goes to look for other jobs, the most likely will see this on his record even if they took it off which can cause so many relationship problems in his life: coworkers, new jobs, new spouse. It’s so ducked.
0 likes@Hex Slayer the fact that you immediately try to justify his attempt to ruin this INNOCENT man’s life is the most abysmal thing I’ve ever read.
8 likes“But what if someone was mean to that detective that day? If he had a bad day he has every right to destroy the lives of innocent people.”
@Hex Slayer and the novel you wrote in response to Bryce is just you trying to use a lot of words to drown out how dumb you feel for saying something so ludicrous.
7 likes@Amanda Barnhart tf? Are you lost? People are mad about both cases, go project somewhere else.
3 likes@Rag Dag what about him? He was freed the same day and never held in jail. What do you want?
0 likes@ShadedFrenzy he was in jail for 3 days and got 50k, seriously. lol
0 likes@Hex Slayer and what would have happened if no one looked at his case? If he did it to this gentleman, what was stopping him from doing it to previous innocent people? The implications of letting a person with that kind of mindset hold power over anyone are terrible regardless of the details in Michael's situation. That officer is terrible and shouldn't have been put on leave. He should have lost his job, bare minimum and served time for attempting to forge a guilty verdict imho.
5 likes@ShadedFrenzy that's the serious problem with today everyone always says what if this happens or what if that happens? Guess what, it didn't happen that way this is what happened so stop making up false realities and thinking of these outlandish worse case scenarios, I'm sick of people not looking at the good in things and always look towards the horrible awful things that can happen. STOPPIT! it's insane. This guy had a happy ending. lol ffs.
1 like@Hex Slayer its not making up a false reality, its the mindset that that officer showed in current reality. you genuinely dont think, if he was willing to do it so boldly in this situation, that he wouldnt do it again if he got away with it? that he hadn't done it before? you dont stay with a person that cheats once because it wasnt on you.
2 likesi'm relieved and happy that michael's story ended how it did, but not taking into account the INTENTION of the officer and believing this was just some kind of fluke on his part is incredibly short-sighted. the officer got off way too easy, bottom line.
46.000$ is an insulting sum when seen in relation...
2 likesI hope the dude had his legal fees covered in addition to the rectification.
2 likes@FannyBandit plot twist: Steven James is the man interrogating Michael Dixon
3 likes@Stormy Sheppard did you even watch the video bro?? He was wrongfully imprisoned for over 2 years
0 likesIt's hilarious to me, as the video mentions that they try to get these blind confessions as it's a means of possible promotion, and they ended up getting demoted at the very least. But I agree, they shouldn't have been allowed to keep their jobs. It sounds like it was a number of systematic issues. The arresting officers probably told the interrogating officer that this was 100% the guy. I don't know how law enforcement works, but imagine you're the interrogating officer just trying to get through your day. The arresting officers make it known that "this is the guy" why wouldn't you believe them?
2 likesYeah!
0 likesHe should have gotten more.
0 likes@Hex Slayer Yeah, if you are in a position of authority such that you can destroy someone's life with your negligence, you need to keep your fucking head on straight at all times. No excuses. If you are having a bad day and you don't think you can do your job without falsely imprisoning another human, stay home that day.
2 likes@Hex Slayer Except for the fact that the investigator did not even perform the most basic of due diligence, with checking witnesses at the scene (Did not check with the dispatcher; Did not talk to the bus driver, like Michael himself suggested, etc.). This video just shows pure, unadulterated laziness on part of the police.
3 likesAs to your comment that "The investigator has to rely on trust that he was brought an actual suspect.": You mean assume the man is guilty and proving his innocence? I'm sure, seeing it in this context, you can agree this statement of yours is a bit off the mark.
Additionally: Even if this "technique" worked in other cases, that does not make it legitimate. The investigator, with no evidence at all, is making false accusations in an attempt to bully someone into submission. There are many cases, of those being wrongfully imprisoned, where police lean on people and gain false confessions. Usually it is someone with a spotty record and past sentences, someone where prosecutors can say: "Look, your past activity can easily land you for 12 years, but, tell us now, and we will only pursue 4." That may be an attractive offer to someone, perhaps beating down by life, that feels they are screwed if they do and screwed if they don't.
With the above in mind: I'm sure you can see now that this is not just an individual case, but a systemic problem where police, in lieu of leg-work, just throw words out there in order to see what sticks.
To be clear: These thoughts of mine are not a personal attack on you or your intelligence. I simply felt the need to disagree with you and encourage you to think about this a little more.
Take care.
@Hex Slayer wow you just destroyed that persons career with no remorse
0 likes@Killua Brock if you read my comment being stuck in traffic had nothing to do with the situation, I was simply giving examples of what an excuse was which had no relevance to what my point was, that we judge every situation with full and complete malice, making up realities that never happened. This man got away and is not in jail and got PAID. why are we thinking so hard of realities that don't exist? Why is humanity always thinking about the worse case scenario and making them realities that DONT EXIST. look at the ending and stop complaining so much. Yeah the situation SUCKED. BUT THE ENDING WAS PRICELESS. The cop got what he deserved and so did the innocent black man, he was innocent and was rewarded greatly for his commendable patience. That's what we should be talking about, how lucky he was that he wasn't jailed for 10 years and how much of a blessing it is that he had such a kind heart to someone trying to incriminate him.
1 like46k is nothing compared to what he's been through
2 likesPeople who look at the comments before watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxMMElT61A8
3 likes@kunst dontfollow you must come from a family of money.
0 likesThe 46k is nice, but I'm happier that the interrogator and another officer were demoted and suspended without pay. Again, the money is nice, but punishing the actual people responsible and not the tax payers is how actual change occurs.
1 like@Lenon Kitchens heh heh “punishing the actual people responsible.” it’s funny ‘cuz that’s what the detective failed to do.
0 likesyes.. you don't want investigators like that even working.
1 likeSo... $46,000 and then his lawyer gets what, half of that? And that detective should have been fired, not demoted.
1 like46k is nothing. That shit changes your life. Deserved 100k.
1 likeIt's the coffee drinking type if investigator.
0 likesThey come for the coffee.
I'm glad he got compensared
Honestly
0 likes@Hex Slayer difference being that this is some man's life. That officer could've landed him I'm Jail for years and were supposed to be like "opsie daisy I was just having a bad day"
1 like46k isn’t gonna buy his life back.
0 likes@FannyBandit do you know what sarcasm is? It wasn’t supposed to be an actual excuse, and he’s right, maybe he’s always had an amazing career but he fucked up that day, he already had his punishment, that’s it. Im sure you do mistakes all the time, and that you’ve done severe mistakes too and hurt people, like everyone, have some empathy
0 likesI am one sadly
0 likesWhen it comes down to losing time out of your life, 46 K ain't SHIT.
0 likesHe got granted 46k, someone with a different skincolor would have been fined for “wasting time”
0 likesInvestigators should be fired, thrown in prison for the amount of years Justin was going to get.
0 likesnot enough money
0 likes@marT Tram 100% 😂
1 like100% victim of racism. And he is like the nicest guy ever. Should have gave him 46 mil
0 likes@Hex Slayer Factual? Why dont it happen to vvoman
0 likes46k ain't worth it at all
0 likesThe amount of people wanting them to be fired is too damn high. I understand that the cop was a douche in this situation, but we don't know his whole story. He might be a pretty good cop most of the time but you people use one sample to judge someone right away. You want to immediately take someone's livelihood away from him based off of one mistake. This is basically cancel culture. You're doing the same thing as what the cop in the video was doing: jumping to conclusions based on one single observation.
0 likes@Hex Slayer just what exactly compels you to give someone so negligent and bad at their job the benefit of a doubt for absolutely no reason
1 likeI was in a situation like this, but not quite the same, someone pushed me, so I slapped them. Then he called the cops and him and his friend said I came up to them yelled racial slurs and then slapped him. Racism is a hot topic, so immediately the judge believed them and I ended up fighting it in court for two years. It was reduced to a non-conviction, but still in my hidden record. Being the victim of false accusations where only you know the truth, but no one believes you is the worst feeling.
0 likes@Hex Slayer literally roasted that man alive there lmao
0 likesSteven James sick
0 likestaxpayer money
0 likesI felt horrible for him until i heard that part. Totally worth 3 days in jail✋😩
0 likes@Hex Slayer uh, so if someone helps people with everything, but one time just shoot someone in the face, he or she is still ok because the other things, and because he had a bad day. Just let him off the hook.
0 likesNot just that but they would of been promoted for this and with that leg up, could have been promoted further and fuck knows.. could be in charge of rewarding 1000 other idiots for behaving the same way.
0 likes@Hex Slayer Where is the line in the sand for having a bad day? I could possibly give the officer a break for not reviewing the original call from dispatch describing the suspect as a small white man but that's probably the limit. This detective is creating evidence out of thin air. He tells the suspect he has video evidence of Michael perpetrating the crime along with eye witnesses. The police then confine the guy for three and a half days.
0 likesThe level of incompetence is astounding in this case from the outset. The police apparently chase the suspect then lose him, then arrest the first person they come across despite him not matching the description. They then manufacture false evidence in the hopes to get a confession and when that doesn't work they put him in jail for three and a half days.
I believe they were suspended for a short period of time
0 likesOnly 46k? I wouldn't settle for less than a million. The first cop tried to make this guy incriminate himself.
0 likes@Hex Slayer You must be somebody with a criminal history for whom spending 3.5 days in jail facing much more is not a big deal. Also, you must never have had a a job with responsibility.
0 likes@Hex Slayer in a job like this where you are trying to make people look guilty for crimes they commit having an attitude or whatever he had isn’t good and he should be fired .
1 like@Hex Slayer there's no excuse to literally lie in an attempt to imprison an obviously innocent person. This guy was lucky that someone who wasn't a total piece of shit looked into the case, but many many people aren't that lucky.
0 likesHappens all the time, all the damn time.
0 likes@Hex Slayer No excuse for trying to send an innocent man to prison.
0 likes@Hex Slayer People get judged on one encounter all the time.
0 likesEveryday in the court room.
@Duane Bro, police are allowed to lie about evidence all the time.
0 likesYou've never heard of this really?
@Jackenape They was treated the same way. One got paid and an apology. The other......
0 likesIf they were fired, new guys would come in their place. Those new guys wouldn't have learned the hard way - you can't just hold someone up unjustifiably. So they would be more likely to repeat that mistake, even though I'm sure, they learned about that "the soft way" in academy. So paradoxically, them keeping their jobs might be positive? Idk, just something that came to my mind.
0 likesThe fact that investigators will intentionally ignore case details and try to get a guilty verdict as a status symbol is quite honestly disgusting, it should be their responsibility to make sure they get as close to the truth as possible
0 likesWhy do you not make videos often? I’ve watched it all and now there is nothing left. Can you please make more? I keep checking each week and NOTHING! 😪
0 likes$40,000 for 3 days of jail? Worth it.
0 likesdemoted and suspended without pay.... THAT'S IT?! those scumbag investigators should all be sent to the same jail he spent time in, except the only difference is that they are ACTUALLY GUILTY of gross negligence, PLEASE STOP TREATING CRIMINAL COPS DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER PEOPLE..... just because they're police doesn't mean they should be given work punishment instead of the type of punishment all of us get when we break the rules.....just absolutely disgusting.
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he's a shitty detective, but theres alot we dont see in a job. I assume a demotion is very harsh and hard to get around
2 likesit's sad how bad some cops are
0 likesAnd the worst part is that people's lives can get completely fucked over with these sort of things
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Even just 3 days in jail can seriously mess up your life. Employer will fire you, and then the next employer will want an explanation, and so on.
199 likes@Jake McCoy this
19 likes@Test huh
32 likes@Test wut
24 likes@Test bro what?
26 likesSo true
2 likes@Test what
7 likes@Jake McCoy Yup. My stepdad was arrested after driving his dads car and getting pulled over, not knowing his dad had a gun in the car. 3 years for a gun that wasnt his, and to this day he has a hard time understanding modern technology. He was in prison in the early 2000s when smart phones were really just a new thing.
12 likesThere are innocent people in jail
11 likesWell it doesn’t stay on ur record so eh
0 likes@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark If they find your innocent
4 likes@Emily Gendreau yea but I mean eyewitnesses are going to persuade the jury more than a cop trying to get more arrests on his record
0 likes@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark Shocking that you think thats true. People are falsely imprisoned all the time, how do you think it happens?
6 likes@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark Its less about the "cop wanting more arrests" and more about your so called "witnesses" proclaiming facts that arent true. If a woman cries rape, a man is arrested. Then some 20 years later she'll say "oh I was forced to accuse him by so and so"
5 likes@Emily Gendreau yea I know this happened to my dads friend, his daughter accused him of rape when she was 11 and the 6 years later said her mom made her, I told my dad she should get the same Punishment as the mom and my dad said she was just a little girl… yea a little girl that committed a crime
3 likes@Kyle who lost his watch atHarrison lake waterpark I mean if she was 11 she had no way of knowing the true repercussions of her actions. When I was young my mom let me drink, smoke, and had me steal money for her from my dad. Not until I turned 18 did I tell her to piss off. If you grow up with a bad person, your gonna follow them. But you have the power to reform yourself if you know right from wrong, which took me 18 years to figure out.
4 likes@Emily Gendreau well also cops have to have a certain amount of arrests on their record or they can be put in the office At like a desk job
3 likeshow?? boys are so dramatic
0 likes@Celeste Cosio Lol what
2 likesWell look at it as in investment when you’re out with the lawsuit you going to put on them for taking years out your life is going to be crazy lol
0 likes@XxmochomoxX Prison to prestige
0 likes@Amelia Bee Talk about obsessed
2 likes@Emily Gendreau What do you mean by that? All he had to do was type in "List of people wrongfully murdered by cops in the last year". Your comment suggetpsgs hes been cutting out newspaper clippings and taping them on his wall lol.
2 likes@Mathias B But to take the time to do that for a youtube comment? Those are a lot of names to copy and paste
2 likesIkr
0 likes@Emily Gendreau I mean people make these lists all the time, I'm sure it's an easy copy/paste
1 like@Test what?
0 likeshi
0 likes@triqsu dang 4 thousand people and not one liked your comment thats tuff
0 likes@Test I liked it :/
0 likes@Test what
0 likes@Test wtf bro? Hope that was to a deleted comment
0 likes@Test explain why it's racist
0 likes@Emily Gendreau Not really. It probably took him less than a minute. I think youd realise you are exaggerating just a bit if you really think about it. Idk though. We are both assuming. All I know is it only took me a minute to find a list similar to that and I'm certainly not obsessed. Maybe if he had the dates and locations next to the names then I'd agree with you.
0 likes@Mathias B Its not that big of a deal. I just thought i was a bit overkill to come in with all these names when everyones already having a conversation about said topic. Its like when someone asks you if youve seen a movie, and then they proceed to explain it. Like yes, we were already talking about it, i didnt need every miniscule detail. I mean props to them I guess for caring that much but I personally wouldnt.
0 likesThis pissed me off so badly you don't even understand I wanted to slap the s##t out of the Investigator
0 likesLove that ending!!!!
0 likesALLWAYS keep saying you didnt do it untill prove is in front of your eyes.cops will say we know you did it and blabla and ask you why did you do that if they ask that it means they have nothingggg they just want an confession thats all
0 likesNah no way he's guilty cops need probable grounds during an arrest at his home formally in a warrant with a warrant to search included for stolen property. More information is required.
0 likesBro it was really heartbreaking to see the second guy accused of stealing and assault. He really was fighting for his life and just because he had a history, they didn’t wanna believe him
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@Zwenk Wiel well true. I agree. But it raises a suspicion not a huge turning point for the law to base their whole judgment on it. I agree with you that it really makes everything very sketchy but it really shouldn’t be a deciding factor. I guess they could have capitalized on it and made more investigations without any bias and see if that indeed is something that leads to something bigger or it was nothing that important
47 likes@Zwenk Wiel must be a small town.
2 likes@Zwenk Wiel I guess. They have a job to do. It was most likely her boyfriends idea too. He did say he grew up with the man. He played his boy out and his girl played along to keep her abusive partner out of trouble. could be that... maybe he had pre- existing beef with em about somethin else. Who knows.
7 likesThe video does raise interesting observations though.
I was in a similar position and looking at 6 years. I had to go to court.
My car broke down and i was given a ride home from work. We got rear ended pullin in to my driveway, I was obviously in the passenger side. Well like a dumbass i got out of the car to see if the other people where OK. unfortunately they mistook me for the driver.
Told their lawyers outside of court just before trial, I wasnt driven. So the judge asked why should I believe you.
I told er first of all, with all do respect, this is a waist of my time. second the only reason why im here today is because he fucked up and now hes lookin to keep his insurance from going up. Im here today for being a good Samaritan checking to see if he wss alright. Then I asked her, why on Earth would someone else take the wrap for me like this and risk 6 years? Give me a break... just like that.
More or less is what i said. I wasnt formal about it and i was down to Earth. Yes the curse slipped. lol! ( I was warned with a smile ) anyway she made both defendant and plaintiff plead the 5th. Other guy was pissed. Both of our insurances dropped us.
So fuck it, i have a good idea on how this guy feels. You can do time just because someone said you was doin blah blah blah... I always felt that if you where innocent you should never remain composed, EVER.
She knew i wasn't lying cause i was rather candid about the whole thing. I found that out later at a 7-11 cause i ran into the residing officer on the case.
He said you spoke your piece well up there. We laughed . Still it a call to close for comfort.
One thing everyone should be aware of the police in any country will lie to you to solicit a "confession".
3 likesIt's far better to shut up once they say you're under arrest if you're innocent or not. Being beligerant and proclaiming you're innocent falls on deaf ears.
I wonder if they charged him for the food he ate during the two years he spent incarcerated while being falsely accused.
That really does happen.
Heartbreaking and enraging. How many innocents have been railroaded by a corrupt system we can only guess. Yes, heartbreaking,
4 likesThats Canada
0 likes@Zwenk Wiel But he doesn't KNOW candy! He didn't meet her. He knows she exists, he doesn't KNOW her.
6 likes@Zwenk Wiel do you know Bill Gates
5 likes@Zwenk Wiel you won't answer my question because you know where it's leading, either that or you are truly clueless
6 likes@calvin I would like a lawyer please.
0 likeswelcome to the real world. some think, "it could never happen to me" or "its 2021, this type of stuff cant seriously happen today" but unfortunately, it does happen, everyday
0 likesThis happened to me in a video game: I reported a clan mate because he was using hate words towards me many many times and was very toxic whenever I spoke. He got 3 day mute from his offensive language, so I was fine with him now - lesson learned to watch his mouth. I also admitted that it was me who reported him while adding "I did it for a reason. He was using hate words towards me multiple times.". But some clan mates started to see me as an enemy because "you don't report clan mates!!", and this guy didn't learn a thing.
1 like2 months later, someone else got muted because he said "I'm retarded". I did not report him nor was online when he said this. Despite this, others accused me, including the victim saying "100% him.". Then I got kicked from the clan without a chance to defend myself. I did so, but they, victim, leader nor admins believed me.
They all were Americans.
Coincidence?
Glad I watched everything before youtube started going ape on this channel
4 likesDude I feel so bad for Justin
0 likesWell here in the US a couple of months ago a lady in a store called the police saying "a WHITE man, probably 5'9, wearing blue jeans, a hat and a green coat" was up to no good. They got there, the lady had left, but the police ran in and detained a BLACK man over 6'2, wearing dark pants, with a red jacket. In all fairness to them he was wearing a hat. Not the same color either as reported but he was wearing one... Or the case of the young light skin yet clearly black man in his 20s who had the same name as a wanted white 50 year old criminal who during a traffic was arrested and detained for 4 days. They had the criminals photo all this time but couldn't tell the difference. Then again both had a goatee...
0 likesSuspended without pay? Nah, that’s not how such a miscarriage of justice should be handled. The office should lose his qualified immunity for the way he handled this and face a potential prison sentence after coming to trial for abusive of his powers.
0 likesMichael is definitely a good human being, well composed and genuine.
5659 likesReplies (179)
Do you know him personally to verify that?
16 likes@Kevin J. P. it just shows what it is. Your question is irrelevant.
224 likesThere’s no such thing as a good person.
13 likesPerhaps saying he’s ok might be more accurate
@John Le Wow, you have got to get more friends
185 likes@Noxious Vox
1 likeOh you think so
@John Le just dont do bad stuff and use 'im born a sinner' as an excuse, k thnx
71 likes@Yi Xing
0 likesWhat on earth are you talking about
@John Le u must be the guy who is paranoid all the time and think the world is plotting something against you LOL
51 likes@frooGy
2 likesYeah you got me
Repent people and call out to Jesus for mercy!
2 likes@John Le what can jesus do himself he is a human being he promised his followers if they follow his shown path father (his creator) will forgive them and grant heaven . Am i wrong? If we are to call out someone for mercy we should call out for his creator. Bcoz thats what he taught his followers by the bible if am not wrong
1 like@frooGy
1 likeRomans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death
But the gift of God is eternal life
👉THROUGH👈 Jesus Christ Our Lord
@Tamer bread
0 likesJesus Cares. I care.
@Tamer bread
0 likesNo thx. All I’m doing is saying what the scripture says and what God tells me to do.
Please just don’t read my messages if they bother you.
@tamer braed
1 likeNo thx.
I ain’t gonna lie just cause you’re unhappy. I’m gonna tell what the Bible says just like Jesus commanded.
Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned and fell short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23
For the 👉wages of sin is death👈
But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
You don’t like truth then just walk away and continue to wallow in your sins
@tamer braed
0 likesJesus cares. I care.
If you don’t care then ignore my comments.
@tamer braed
0 likesAnd why you playing games? Deleting your previous comments and then saying same thing over?
@John Le no one cares.
12 likes@John Le no one cares.
7 likes@tamer braed
0 likesBegone satan
@John Le no one cares.
9 likes@Kevin J. P. Have you ever heard of an impression? Michael gives off a pretty good one imo and makes me believe he is definitely a good person.
2 likes@John Le stop projecting
14 likes@Reoxis
0 likesTell me how I’m projecting
@John Le “there’s no such thing as a good person” 🤓🤓🤓
17 likes@Reoxis
0 likesOk. So how am I projecting?
@John Le how unself aware can u be dawg 😭
16 likes@Reoxis
0 likesSo you can’t show how I’m projecting then?
@John Le i'm not gonna explain something so simple to someone who’s so unself aware sorry G 😿
9 likes@Reoxis
0 likesCan’t be honest that you misspoke so you want to turn it around on me by saying I’m unaware?
I see the dishonesty.
Do you see what i mean now by nobody is good?
@John Le no I don’t. ur just making urself seem like an idiot, I didn’t say u were “unaware” i said u were unSELF aware 😭
8 likesHes Canadian they’re too fuckin nice
0 likes@Kevin J. P. you can never just make a simple comment on youtube without a ree ree commenting "can you verify that"
2 likesIt was really fascinating watching someone who's clearly very genuine and equanimous be treated like a criminal, and the whole way, give the detective as much benefit of doubt as possible without incriminating himself. Almost comical
0 likes@Tonkinese
0 likesAnybody who is honest would admit that they have sinned like lie and other things in their lifetime.
@John Le There is no sin. Just responsibility. Sin is a useless and harmful concept, the world would be better without it.
6 likesAlso Jesus died for humanity's sins and preached about forgiveness, get your own religious scripture right man.
@Großer Hahn
0 likesYou say there is no sin but then you say Jesus died for sins.
Get out
@Großer Hahn
0 likesNo. I don’t know exactly what you meant cause you literally made 2 contradicting statements within one post...
How am I suppose to know what that means...
Instead of accusing me of playing semantics, you could just be honest and say you either misspoke or that your reasoning was flawed or something instead of trying to blame it on me.
@Großer Hahn
0 likesAnd no, not according to my morals but according to the moral laws that God has given mankind in the Bible and in our hearts or conscience to recognize basic right and wrong.
Jesus is that God btw that took the punishment of death for wages of our sins so that if we believe he will save us, we will get eternal life.
@John Le God didn't write the bible. It was people, based on hearsay. However, there was a lot hearsay written down. The absolute majority of those records were decided to be non-canon, though. By the Councils of Carthage between 251 and 421. By people. Once again.
0 likesThe stories in the bible were written by people, it was people who decided which writings would be considered "God's law" (at least by fanatics like yourself), and it's also people who intrepreted those writings for over 1600 years by now.
You don't follow the "laws of god". You follow made up stories that are based on hearsay, that were then curated by early Christian bishops based on church politics, and were then twisted and re-invented, translated multiple times in different ways and with different interpretations in mind, and then got manipulated by your preacher or pastor of reverend or sect leader or whoever you choose to listen to ONCE AGAIN. All you do is believing in other people. Not god. Not Jesus. People.
And there was nothing wrong with that if those people were faithful and nice, but more often then not, they aren't. "Always" you would say.
How about you start to think for yourself about what is right and wrong? Could keep you from hating people just becasue some guys in he antique hated them.
@John Le there's a difference between a sinner and a actively bad person. We are all sinners, we aren't all fundamentally evil people.
0 likes@Großer Hahn
0 likesGod wrote the Bible and used men to be the pen to write it down.
If your argument is canon and how books were chosen or considered to be inspired, then that is 1 issue and we can discuss that.
But you ALREADY deny Jesus. So that is the main issue.
A place to start is for you to first identify your world view if you’re gonna claim mines is false.
So if I’m wrong, then tell me what is right. What is true?
@goblins are real
0 likesI dunno what you’re saying. I agree there are different levels like there are some who commit more evil and are more wicked.
But just sinning once against the almighty perfect and Holy God already makes a person unrighteousness and deserving of eternal condemnation.
@Großer Hahn
0 likesYou mentioned truth.
You said there is no objective truth.
👆👆 is this true?
@John Le There is no objective truth, but the only way to get some sort of common ground is science. Something that can be theoreticall disproven but can't actually be disproven is a fact from a scientific point of view. God can't be disproven becasue there is no proof for their existence to begin with. So god is not scientific fact. It's that easy.
0 likes@Großer Hahn
0 likesYou claimed that there is no objective truth.
👆👆 is your claim true?
And science doesn’t even begin to explain origins. You should just stop right there with science
@John Le Amen 🙏
1 likethere is always that one dude who tries to add religion into every internet conversation, tell everybody how the man in the sky is watching, how we are all sinners and Judgement day bla bla bla bla 😂
8 likesRight! I don't think I would have been so calm in that situation! I get fired up if I'm accused of something I didn't do! Especially when all the investigator had to do was talk to the bus driver and that would have exonerated him right then and there! Then he wouldn't have been forced to spend 3 and a half days in jail for no reason! The investigators should have been fired, but I'm glad they at least had some sort of punishment, even though it was more of a slap on the wrist
0 likes@John Le Proverbs 26:4 and 26:5: Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him
1 like@Procast17
1 likeOh what does proverbs 26:5 say?
@Jake Nguyen
0 likesAren’t must Vietnamese either catholic or Buddhist?
What happened to you?
@John Le uh, i don't know where you got that from lmao. I'm going to guess that you just Google it and come back here without knowing anything.😂
0 likesNo, we don't "enforce" religion on anyone here in case you are wondering. You can be religous or not, there isn't any rules specified what religion you should/shouldn't have. You don't get throw to jail because you are an atheist lmao
@John Le if that's the case, i apologize, i'm just annoyed because a lot of people would straight up insult others because they don't believe in the same religion
0 likes@Jake Nguyen
0 likesHowever, I am that guy you spoke of that will mention human sin and how that puts us in opposition to the Holy God...
That part is true.
and sadly that didnt helped him one bit in this situation ... i hope he will be blessed in future!
0 likesBut why just Michael? Just because he seems more composed??? Thats a kinda weird thing to say
1 like@John Le god is good and man is made in the likeness of god, he has forgiven our sins and his authority is supreme, therefore man is good. to say otherwise is to doubt the goodness of god or hid word. do you agree?
0 likes@im gauge
0 likesSins aren’t automatically forgiven. There is a condition.
To be made in the image of God DOESNT mean we are God or make us good like how God is good. It just means we were made to be rulers and judges like how God is ruler and judge.
@John Le sorry im not religious so forgive my ignorance. I’ll take your word for it.
0 likesPersonally I disagree, but I’m sure you aren’t very interested in a different worldview. If you are curious Id be happy to share my perspective. Have a nice day, John.
@im gauge
0 likesTo be honest, it didn’t seem like you was sharing a different worldview but rather, you were “trying” to tell me what the biblical view was.
That’s why you mentioned “made in the image of God”
@im gauge
0 likesif people are automatically forgiven, then there’s no need for sin to be mentioned in the Bible. And there would be no need for a savior like Jesus Christ.
@John Le oh well i dont actually believe that, i just heard someone say something along those lines before, and based on what you were saying i wondered if itd be an idea youd engage with. im not actually religious at all and personally dont really think of morality as concrete as christians (im assuming) probably do
0 likes@im gauge
0 likesOk well let that be a lesson to you on why you shouldn’t trust what people say from getgo and do self research and fact checking for yourself.
You said morality isn’t concrete. I’m not really sure what you mean by this to be honest...
@John Le i certainly agree with not taking peoples words as truth. I don’t really think that was what I did but I get your point, and youre right.
0 likesI don’t see people as being capable of being good or bad, instead that the circumstances they are placed in will dictate their decisions. Good or bad doesn’t have much meaning to me, depending on context I’ll use the words to mean “good/bad for society” or “beneficial/detrimental for my goals”. If someone was a murderer, i would probably say theyre a horrible person to fit in, but more than anything id want to understand why they did it and why theyd think it would be justified, the label of horrible person would be meaningless to me. I dont think of people in terms of good or bad, sinner or saint, but instead maybe as “constructive or destructive to others”. I suppose I think of people as being good by nature, but thats more of an optimistic mindset than anything else, and I think its been engrained in most of us to find joy/fulfillment from doing what we socially find to be morally right.
@im gauge
0 likesSo if a person killed another for financial gain, Would they be good or evil according to your view?
@John Le i wouldnt make a big deal about it and would probably call them bad, but if i was being truthful theyd be neither. id ask questions like “what could push a man to want to do such a thing?”
0 likesI suppose a concise way to sum up my view is that no individual can ever truly be responsible for their actions. In the real world, obviously its necessary that we treat people as if they are responsible for the decisions they make, within reason, or else society would collapse. But just for me personally, id have trouble blaming anyone for anything they do, be it “good or bad.” And without responsibility, the idea of labeling people as good or bad is pretty meaningless, it would make more sense to call their actions such instead.
@im gauge
0 likesWell I already told you.
He murdered for financial gain.
That’s the scenario.
And you say he is neither good nor bad?
I’m Michael
0 likes@darrin cleary
0 likesSure you are princess
@John Le yeah
0 likes@John Le id probably be so overcome with emotion that it might radicalize my beliefs, but from a logical perspective i couldnt justify calling them a bad person and would want to forgive them. id still be extremely depressed about it obviously
0 likes@John Le depends how you define ok. i wouldnt be okay with it, and would prevent it at all costs. my family would have their own moral disagreements with it and i doubt they would forgive the murderer. and the state obviously has their rules. its only “ok” on the basis of my own lack of objective morality, but in every other aspect its hugely negative.
0 likessimilarly, i wouldnt call someone a bad person for not forgiving them. everyone has their reasons for everything they do.
note: Sorry if my comments are sending double, youtube is being very weird.
@im gauge
0 likesWell if murder isn’t wrong to you, how about abuse of you or your children for sexual gratification?
@John Le i would have a problem, the problem though is independent of morality for me. the issue is simply that i dont want my family to die and therefore goes against my wishes, not that they did something that is definitively evil. morality just doesnt play into it, but my desires seem to align with what people around me deem moral anyway, so it doesnt really cause issues. In fact, the only difference Ive noticed it cause is that i tend to forgive those that have done bad things much easier than other people, which is sometimes an issue but Im fine with it.
0 likes@John Le There are plenty of good people in this world. The problem is that you take a hardline view of the world through the lens of your religion and take a very old testament stance on it. It's fine if that's your opinion, but like many religious people, you state your beliefs as facts. And factually you are wrong.
0 likesAlso, here's a couple basics you seemed to have missed from the teachings of your lord.
1) Love thy neighbor
and
2) Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.
God bless.
@John Le i cant say its objectively morally wrong to kill my family because i dont believe in objective morals. Thats the cut and dry answer to your question if thats all your interested in with this convo, otherwise I can rationalize it. If youre just playing “gotcha,” I can bite that bullet, I don’t really care about optics. Im not trying to impress anyone, just sharing my opinion.
0 likesIm saying i dont classify anything as good or bad through following pre-established rules of morality, but rather through what benefits me and that which I care about. In practicality, they function nearly identically but their sources are different.
It feels like youre purposely trying to mischaracterize what I’m saying but maybe I’m just being unclear, I just don’t know how else I can rephrase the same thing. I’m not really interested in an argument, just trying to expand my perspective by talking to more people. Maybe you were under the impression Im trying to win over you somehow, since in fairness that is what 99% of youtube repliers here are trying to do.
@im gauge
0 likesOk then to you there’s nothing wrong with murder.
So how about child abuse for sexual gratification? Is there nothing wrong with this as well?
@John Le I feel like you are intentionally missing the point. Im opposed to all of these things happening. And its not like you can say something thats heinous enough that I will inexplicably have a fundamental exception for it.
0 likesI characterize things as bad when they are harmful to me, child molestation upsets me, therefore I dont like it, therefore its bad. The word wrong implies morality, which I don’t factor in. If we decide to use a definition for wrong as “something you wouldn’t do” or “something you disagree with doing” then yeah it’s definitely wrong. But, morally, its nothing to me, because morality is nothing to me.
@im gauge
0 likesIf you say there is no objective morality, then there should be nothing objectively wrong with somebody abusing your children for sexual gratification.
You agree yes?
@John Le There is nothing objectively wrong with it, but to me there is a shit-ton subjectively wrong with it. Objective isn’t just an emphatic term; subjectivity doesn’t make my stance on whether it is good or not any less firm.
0 likes@John Le they do as far as I care about his feelings, but I care about mine much more. He can have his own moral system that justifies/forbids his actions, but in mine he is a neither good nor bad person that has done something i find to be horrible.
0 likes@im gauge
0 likesWell he cares more about his feelings than yours. So what gives you the right to speak?
@etherealessence
0 likesWhere are the good people, point them out? Prove to me you know all their doings and their thoughts.
You said “love they neighbor”
“Judge not lest ye be judged”
It’s a good thing that I’m showing love by being honest with my neighbor huh?
It’s a good thing that when I said none is good, that would include myself huh?
@John Le I do. If he uses the same framework as me, I expect him to have some way to be able to justify his own actions, otherwise he wouldn't commit them. I simply don't have any reason to value him over me, and so I don't. It would be very unlikely for me and him to come to an agreement whether what he did was good or bad unless one of us compromises.
0 likesFrankly, I think it would be hard for someone that isn't a psychopath to genuinely believe that child molestation is a good thing to do, and not feel any sort of remorse over it even after contemplating what they've done. And so I would simply accept that they are a psychopath, pity them, and be very frustrated with the misfortune over the events that transpired. I don't even think they'd expect to be able to convince me that they were in the right, I feel like most people that do such acts know that what they've done is selfish, regret it, and have no control over possibly doing it again.
@im gauge
0 likesWho says he needs to use framework as you do? Why don’t you use same framework as him and start?
@John Le Why would I use a framework I don't believe in? I assume most people either use a generic deontological divinely-sourced moral system or a vague mixture of legalism and whatever the status quo is. Either way, a child molester would be deemed an evil person, so if I were to adopt that position, I'd have the moral high ground. But my true beliefs are that there is no moral high ground, that we are victims of circumstance, and that if I were in his shoes and grew up with his background and has his mental instabilities, I'd commit the same acts. And because of that, there is no real point to assign morality to people with no responsibility over what they've done.
0 likesHe doesn't need to use my framework, and he doesn't need to agree with me. I will have my beliefs and he will have his. That's about it.
@John Le He probably wouldn’t. I don’t know lol. Maybe Im confused how it’s relevant what he thinks. Whether he thinks he’s in the right or not doesn’t really affect me.
0 likes@im gauge
0 likesExactly so this is what denying God gets a person. Somebody like you who says child S abuse is not bad and murder is not bad
Any form of confrontation can be overwhelming to someone who admits that they are a self recluse . It’s safer to play a role of the good kid who is willing to please because you don’t want to make the person your enemy.
1 like@John Le It is bad to me lol. I just dont call things immoral, thats all. following the rules of your morality has flaws such as causing many christians to believe that stealing food to survive is a sin.
0 likesMy goal though has never been to insult christianity or its moral system, or even say mine is better. I think that the lessons christianity teaches about forgiveness are very good, and that we should all learn to forgive more: put our feet in the shoes of our harmer. All it does is bring you understanding and remove hatred, which I think is something I’d want.
Anyway, regardless of what you think of me I appreciate you talking to me and giving me a little bit more understanding of how some christians explain things that outsiders might think are contradictions. Have a nice day John.
@im gauge
0 likesWhy is it bad? Just because you say?
To the rapist, it is good. To the murderer, it is good.
@John Le But Im not them
0 likes@im gauge
0 likesYes and they aren’t you
@John Le Think we are at a standstill here. Appreciate the conversation, man :)
0 likes@im gauge
0 likesYou need God in your life dude cause child rape and murder is not good at all. It is totally bad
@ISpill Fishy
0 likesAnd why would that be relevant to what is true?
@John Le I’m a Christian and my uncle is a pastor, you should really just calm down and keep religion out of this comment section.
0 likes@-DFH- I do not agree with anyone in this situation, but this entire thing started when John yelled at someone for saying someones a good person. people cannot have a conversation anymore.
0 likes@-DFH- also, John is putting words in people’s mouths himself, for example when someone stated “everyone has their reasons for what they do” he immediately said that they instead said that murder was acceptable.
0 likes@John Le Behold the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world
0 likes@-DFH-
0 likesA lot of people are lost...
@-DFH-
0 likesGlad to see you can see through the malarky though...
@seth047
0 likesYou said I yelled at others...
Never once in this posting, so you lied.
@seth047
0 likesYou said keep religion out of the comment section.
1. Christianity isn’t a religion
2. Funny that it’s usually Christians who stand in the way of other Christians who are trying to spread the Gospel like Jesus commanded.
@seth047
0 likesAnd yes, that person said there is nothing objectively wrong with murder.
So this is another way of them saying it is acceptable. So what are you on about ?
@Chris Hart yes the lamb does take away sins of the world. But there is a condition.
0 likesThat is belief in Jesus that he will save you.
@-DFH-
0 likesWatch this Seth guy who says he is Christian be the next to follow the pattern
@seth047
0 likes👆👆 oh why you using profanity man? Shouldn’t you try to use cleaner language as a Christian?
@seth047
0 likesAs far as your question, Christianity is a relationship that one has with God.
When one becomes born again, God comes and dwells in him (the human body is a temple that God can dwell in) and begins his sanctification work in us.
People who become born again will sense God in their life and form a relationship with God.
That is Christianity.
That’s how Christians view it.
Ask your uncle the pastor..
@John Le Christianity is the most widely practiced religion in the world, you’re high.
0 likes@John Le Shouldn’t a Christian try to not argue with 400 people?
0 likes@John Le also, please cite when they said there is nothing objectively wrong with murder, i cannot seem to find when they said that
0 likes@seth047
0 likesYou didn’t reach out to your uncle the pastor? Even he will tell you that Christianity is not a religion.
Aren’t you putting a lil too much trust in google?
@seth047
0 likesYou asked, shouldn’t a Christian try not to argue with 400 people.
No, who taught you that? That isn’t biblical.
But Jesus does say that his people perish because of lack of knowledge.
@seth047
0 likesYou asked me to cite the comment where the guy says there is nothing objectively wrong with murder.
You just have to read their text and my responses to them.
They say there is no such thing as objective morality.
They say that murdering is neither good nor bad.
They say if their family was murdered, they might feel bad personally but objectively, there is nothing wrong with it.
@John Le Philippians 2:14 Do everything without complaining and arguing.
0 likes@John Le I am as guilty of this sin as you are.
0 likes@John Le found it, thanks. I retract my statement.
0 likes@seth047
0 likesIn regards to Philippians 2:14
14Do all things without murmurings and 👉disputings👈
From what I understand and from what the scholars say, this is talking about making objections or petty objections that can cause rivalry,disagreement, or discontentment and or separation amongst believers or neighbors.
And can cause God to anger.
As we see in the example of the Israelites, they were making objections and complaints to God saving them from Egypt which brought God to anger and cause them to wander for 40 years...
What the verse Philippians 2:14 ISNT saying is that we should not argue at all. It’s definitely not saying that dude.
There are times when arguing is necessary, especially when in defense of the Christian Faith and truth
@seth047
0 likesI didn’t say google sucks, but if you have an uncle who is a pastor, he should’ve been the first go to, to get an understanding of what Christianity is.
Don’t forget that any content from anybody can be displayed on google so if you don’t word your question/tags properly, you might not get the true answer.
I would wager that you looked up, “is Christianity a religion”. And then went with the very first answer by google which probably said it is a religion with the most followers in the world.
When you should’ve scrolled down to find answers from Christians...
@seth047
0 likesI’d say you seem to be guilty of making petty objections and even false claims about me.
That would probably be sin I dunno.
@John Le Well, your doing the same thing to 14 people so
0 likes@seth047
0 likesYou said I’m doing the same thing to 14 people.
Substantiate that claim or you’re a liar
@John Le scroll up, literally takes up the entire comment section
0 likes@seth047
0 likesLike dude. Do you know what it means to be born again as Jesus said one has to be to go to heaven?
John 3:3
@John Le you want to see how good that will hold up in court?
0 likes@John Le okay, where have I made statements that would cause strife or seperation
0 likes@John Le “begone satan” Claiming that someone is on the level of satan causes strife.
0 likes@John Le Comparing the Holocaust to a petty YouTube squabble, this also causes strife
0 likes@John Le claiming anything I have said, or anyone has said in that matter is slander, which is a crime, causes strife.
0 likes@John Le Stop forcing religion on people, someone simply said someone is morally correct, and you forced your Christian values on them.
0 likes@seth047
0 likesYou accused me of yelling at people which I didn’t.
You accused me of something I didn’t do. That is slander
Same with accusing me of making petty objections against people that causes division.
I didn’t do that so you slandered
@John Le If you where not petty you wouldn’t be arguing with me still
0 likes@John Le at least I admit I’m petty
0 likes@seth047
0 likesYou said I compared the holocaust to a petty YouTube squabble.
No I didn’t. What I was saying in context was giving an example of FORCED BELIEF.
You need to read more carefully cause you slandered me again.
@seth047
0 likesIf you don’t slander in the first place, then you won’t have to worry about being called out for that slander.
The fault lies with you, not I.
Don’t slander and you can’t be called out for slander
@seth047
1 likePointing out basic truths like we all have done evil like lying or slandering is not forcing belief.
And at some point, a Christian needs to share the Gospel as Jesus commanded so I can’t be too worried about people getting offended of the truth of the Gospel.
Jesus in his time on earth basically went around saying REPENT OR PERISH.
@seth047
0 likesAre you eventually ever gonna say one thing that is true about me?
Or do you plan to continue your diatribe against this Christian here
@John Le I reached out to my uncle, he said not to waste time on fools and petty arguments, Bye.
0 likes@John Le oh, he was deleting his comments, still wouldn’t compare him to Stan but, out of curiosity, what did he say?
0 likes@John Le also I’ll say something true about you!
0 likesYou’re petty, I’m petty, we are all petty.
I’m a sinner, your a sinner, we are all sinners.
Youre* sorry
0 likes@seth047
0 likesOh? Then your uncle should’ve also told you to be careful about calling others fools with no reason.
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
@seth047
0 likesAnd why you resorting to adhominems anyway...
Didn’t somebody once say that the first to throw an insult has already lost?
@seth047
0 likesYou said to me “you’re sorry”
Oh are you trying to insult me again?
I guess man..
@John Le i never directly called you a fool, stop slandering me.
0 likes@John Le you really make people feel like shit you knw that?
0 likes@seth047
0 likesMatthew 5:22 is a verse talking about misplaced anger or anger without cause. That is what will make you in danger of the hellfire.
@seth047
0 likesIf I did make you feel like crap, I apologize, it was not intended.
But what did I do to make you feel like that? Please explain. If you can show me my fault, I will definitely learn and change for the better.
@John Le i apologize for being immature, i will make efforts to improve on that issue as the debate continues.
0 likes@John Le You can say its slander all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that you have made efforts to continuously provoke petty squabbles, its what you do.
0 likes@John Le When i said "*youre sorry" i was correcting my own grammar, i did not punctuate this message correctly and i caused a misunderstanding, this was not, in any way an attempt at an insult, it was simply me correcting my grammar.
0 likes@seth047
0 likesWell what is slander? Slander is an accusation made against someone that isn’t true.
You accused me of yelling at people but I didn’t.... so that is slander is it not?
You accused me of comparing the holocst to a petty YouTube squabble, but I didn’t do that. So that would be slandered is it not?
@John Le You can spread your beliefs all you want, i do not care. The fact you are creating squabbles by utilizing your beliefs because someone made an extremely ordinary and common statement concerning someones apparent morality is the problem here.
0 likes@John Le every example you have just provided to me is irrelevant to the instances that i have brought up.
0 likes@John Le You are labeling misguided YouTube comments as a serious accusation that defames your character. That is what you are doing, that is what you are doing now and that is what you where doing then.
0 likes@seth047
0 likes@seth047
You accused me of continuously making efforts to provoke petty squabbles. And you claimed that is fact.
I did a quick skim over the comments and every conversation( besides 2 instances) I had with other people was first initiated by them, not myself.
So how can you claim that I’ve been trying to provoke petty squabbles? And why would I need to provoke any squabbles when people were voluntarily messaging me?
@seth047
0 likesYou said every example I brought up is irrelevant to the instances you brought up.
I don’t know what you mean but slander is slander.
Trying to change the subject does not remove that slander.
Ignoring the slander like you never made it does not remove the slander.
@John Le Every instance was brought on by YOUR outrageous statement about a very common figure of speech concerning one persons apparent morality.
0 likes@John Le Concerning your slander statement:
0 likesYou have claimed that the given examples are slander, knowing that the definition of slander is a very serious false accusation that is intended to defame ones character.
The examples given are simply a misguided accusation that is partially false.
I have apologized multiple times and stated that the accusations have false qualities.
@seth047
0 likesI dunno if you was serious when you said you were a Christian.
But if you are, then you need to understand that there is a spirtual battle for souls of men(mankind)
Ephesians 6:12
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
And that it is Gods desire that NONE PERISH and all come to repentance -2peter 3;9.
Jesus commands believers to preach the gospel to the world -Mark 16:15, Matthew 28:19.
So what I’m trying to do is what Jesus commanded.
@John Le I understand that you can teach me a lot about Christianity, and I am not denying that.
0 likes@John Le you really must have no life if you're sitting in this youtube comment section chanting bible verses at anyone who disagrees with you even a month later
0 likes@lily
0 likesSo commenting on YouTube section = no life?
Ok, got it.
Jesus loves you
@John Le I dunno about this Repent stuff, but I called out Jesus when I stubbed my toe a few days ago. Sadly, I was shown mercy. In hindsight, I am repentant that I wasn't more careful while walking.
0 likes@John Le You're quoting a fictitious book of myths as if it is fact. This is something I always find fascinating. Here's another bible quote for you:
0 likes"Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16)"
If that's the kind of stuff your "God" does, and you're okay with it, you have a lot more thinking to do.
@Wrinkled Solesniff
0 likesLook up what repent means cause you’re using it wrong
@Wrinkled Solesniff that bible verse was taken out of context, even I argue with John but that’s just untrue.
0 likes@mdab0123
0 likesNah I’m definitely wicked. Just like you.
But I’m working on it. And good thing God loves me and everyone enough to offer free salvation through belief in his only begotten Son Jesus
The argument under this comment, sheesh.
0 likes@John Le You're quite right we are always gonna be the bad person at least in 1 person point of view you can't be loved or tough of as a good person by everyone at least i think so
0 likes@Poke Son
0 likesWe all have sinned before dude. We are all accountable to the Holy God. That’s why we need to accept his free gift of Grace through Jesus
Don't know him myself but yes, he seemed very decent.
0 likes@Hungry Bamba
0 likesBaby’s aren’t sinners nor very young children held accountable til they reach a certain age.
This is God’s world so his Word belongs everywhere
Angels Walk Among Us
0 likes@Noxious Vox Being a good person is relative. Every person has a bias on who's bad or who's good. There is no definite answer it is all a matter of opinion. It is not worth arguing over if he has that opinion, respect it.
0 likesI agree and he deserved a hell of lot more than 46,000 $ for being falsely accused of a crime he dud not commit. Also obvious incompetence by the Police investigator. What if a different investigator had not checked into his alibi? He might have been in prison for up to two years.
0 likes@Kevin J. P. no it’s called being able to read people.
0 likes16:40 that explains why he is so nice & calm
2 likesthey're in canada
46k? THAT'S ALL?! No no no uh uhhhhh!
0 likesIt should of been the least easy 1million!
THAT'S TOTALLY UNFORGETTABLE!!!!
That police officer was lying from the beginning!
Tried to get promoted on the back on an innocent man... DEMOTED!!! LOL
0 likesIt's terrifying thinking of the number of people that were wrongly accused and are in prison right now
0 likesThe first case sounds like a really big April fools joke.
8271 likes“It was a short white man”
Detective: Brings in a tall black man
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23 likes😂
6 likesSheer incompetence. The officers who made the arrest were not at fault. But for the detective to not check against the 911 description is dereliction of duty, with severe consequences for an innocent citizen.
205 likes@Harry Mills I think the officers were at fault a little bit, I mean they ought to know the general physique of a person they'd been running after. Plus, walking off the bus doesn't look remotely like fleeing the cops.
262 likesLiterally racism “well I lost the other guy so I’ll just bring him in, they’ll believe he did it!” And they did for 2 years. Awful. Glad he got his justice
158 likes@Harry Mills the arresting officers were absolutely at fault. Based on the description given they had no probable cause to detain him.
91 likes@Cali Charron the white dude with the beard got two years from error. Not the bald black guy, he got out in 3 days. Racism my ass. Just incompetent cops
56 likes@Cali Charron At least know the story before calling racism.
16 likes@ObiWAANKenobi 44 It's likely incompetence and racism. There's actually quite a few stories of innocent black men being arrested while cops are looking for a white suspect.
88 likesLast year in LA a black guy was arrested while taking out the trash, cops said they didn't know who they were looking for but felt comfortable assaulting and arresting a black man why? Because of incompetence, racism and it being the norm.
@Noah Knight exactly. Even if racism wasn’t the only problem in this situation, ppl 1 million percent have the right to assume it is because or how common it is for black men to be targets of police. Either way, police are the problem and these “mistakes” need to stop happening. (Mistakes as in racial profiling and poc being wrongly accused because of their skin color)
28 likesI hope that made sense I can be bad at getting my point across correctly sometimes lol.
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1 like@ObiWAANKenobi 44 it might as well have something to do with racism because black people are more likely to be racially profiled and over 49% of their arrests have been proven to be false. It has been a prominent thing in history and because society isn’t willing to admit that they unconsciously stereotype or show prejudice is why we’re still at this point.
21 likes@Q M ehh. Could be and probably could have something to do with racial stereotypes as well.
6 likesI had the exact same situation happen to me except the demographics were reversed.
3 likes@J. That sucks man, luckily, solving the issue of racial profiling and police brutality will undoubtedly have positive benefits for suspects of all races.
2 likesLol
0 likes@Tyra A This is interesting - can you site where the 49% is noted?
2 likes@Alei idk about the 49 percent ting but I do know that black people are 7 times more likely to be falsely imprisoned.
1 like46,000 joke.
0 likes@Alei ok I can. It’s usually pops up when u search it up as well as other sources but I’ll try my best to find it or at least something similar to it
0 likes@ObiWAANKenobi 44 Sometimes it's been 17 years. Sometimes it's been false executions. Black people are more likely to be falsely accused and 8x more likely to be arrested period. There is bias in the system. Don't be ignorant.
8 likes@Alei fbi statistics said that 50 percent of exonerations are black people. Not fifty percent of black people are wrongly arrested. Still bad but not the same thing.
0 likesErgo the 47k legal settlement that materialized! This guy played this like a fiddle,and I love it!
0 likes@Q M It is racism. It's racism with the black dude. It's stereotype with the white dude. I watched this channel show an investigation of a clean cut white guy that cut an Asian woman head off and even with video camera evidence of being the last person to be seen with her,he was let go. He wasn't arrested for weeks after the FBI having to get his girlfriend to wear a wire. If the other white guy wasn't talking in "slang" and didn't have a thick beard etc....he wouldn't have been treated like that. Stereotypes and racism is a big part in law enforcement. And I think we all know that but alot stay in denial so they can feel safe. Instead of realizing it's all bogus.
6 likes@Noah Knight The person in this footage is not black.
1 like“Do you know what day it is today?”
0 likesDetective: Brings in leprechaun
0 likes@Caleb Lowe bro what? The document I read literally proves what ur saying wrong. They’re more likely to me wrongfully arrested or imprisoned
2 likes@Cali Charron BLM tears? SMH
0 likesthey do that all the time. I almost got arrested for something that I didn't do, I'm a short white male and the description of the guy was a tall Asian guy. They don't try to get the RIGHT guy, they try to get A guy.
3 likes@Tyra A I didn’t say they weren’t. I was agreeing with you while also stating that 50 percent of people released for wrongful convictions are black.
2 likesHamilton boys loving to put an innocent black man in jail instead of the actual white perpetrator
0 likes@Q M the system is racist as shown by statistics, in these two instances perhaps racism may not be at hand, ofc we were not there when the black man was arrested at GUN POINT so we wouldn’t know.
1 likei think that they were racist
0 likes@Harry Mills the suspect should be allowed to lock up the detective for the same number of minutes in a group of criminals in the jail with no other protection that the suspect was given!
1 likeif im ever locked up for a crime i did not commit, im going to lock up everyone involved, im my prison!! i have a list of big badass ex cons (not ex inmates) to be their cell mates!!!
He's not black
0 likesMan you all see a black person get arrested and immediately call it "racism"
1 like@amy.pm20 Bruh when they're looking for a short white guy and bring in a tall black guy instead, how can you not see racism there? I'm white as fucking milk and it's clear as day he was racially profiled.
2 likes@Bawbag what if it was the other way around. Nobody would then say it was racism.
0 likes@amy.pm20 or they would?
0 likes@amy.pm20 you can't say that without knowing. But right here we have a video showing blatant racism and it needs to be called out. Jesus man some people.
2 likesSmh 🤦🏾♀️
0 likesOne of your best videos!
0 likesloses all hope in law enforcement
0 likesI’m glad he sued.
0 likesThey would imprison me for about 15 minutes before I hung myself in the cell, not gonna do time when I'm innocent.
0 likesI can't count on one hand the amount of times, as a white man, that I've run down an alley and morphed into a tall black man...it's truly amazing.
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it must be really annoying 😔
89 likestakes two hands and a foot's worth of digits for me. a common occurrence really
47 likes“Black to the future”
98 likesThank god you morphed back right tho?, could've ended up locked up for years whew
44 likesi have the same problem on weekends but the girls love it !
21 likesdont you just hate it when you commit a crime and accidently shapeshift into a tall black man, so annoying.
36 likes@KB Bwahahahaaaaaa 🤣🤣🤣
1 likeAnnoying af, need to wear oversize clothes every time
8 likes@jojo wa
0 likesWord I thought I was the only white man who. Turned into 6,3 black man while walking down ally ways
1 likeikr:(
0 likesI can morph between a cat and a human, and that still seems amazing to me! So wait, are you the one in this video?!
1 likeToot-toot
0 likesBeen there, super annoying
1 likeTHANK YOU for saying that.
0 likesImagine morphing into an entirely different person and STILL getting caught
3 likesLadies and gentlemen... We got him!
0 likes@ToKaSa IsMe you still act similar and a lot of behaviors would remind others of the criminal, but they would have no way of actually locking you up because to them you are different. But people may ignore you if you act similarly
0 likesI cant complain, I like waking up with a new pair of Jordans and a nice fitted hat.
0 likesSometimes you just need to have a cup of tea and wait for everything to blow over.
1 likeMy cousin can. He has no hands.
0 likesI wish I could do it.
0 likes@ShitIsReal THAT EXPLAINS THE BAGGY CLOTHES.
0 likesNow you know what it feels like aside from being threatened or beat or even detained like an animal simply bc you weren't taught how to speak formally and you sound intimidating
0 likesThat British guy should be ashamed of himself.
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He sounds more like an Aussie or a NZ OR a South African
245 likes@JestemSmajli well he sounds like one to me
30 likes@TheRealKaz Sounds like a Brit who has been living in Canada for a while.
188 likes@J Green oh alright, I disagree with you.
10 likesThat is not a British accent. I'm British and can tell you. It is Australian.
227 likes@ppyxmw at least someone agrees with me
24 likes@J Green i think not a Brit but either NZ or Aus having lived in Canada for awhile. I'm Canadian and British with dual nationality and have lived in both countries. My dad has a British accent but has lived in Canada since the 70s . This officer definitely sounds like Aus or NZ to me
40 likesCruel, unprofessional interview techniques.
45 likes@TheRealKaz it isnt a british accent. I am british and its not from here
50 likes@Liam Wilkinson thank you for agreeing with me
10 likes@TheRealKaz im australian and it certainly aint aussie
49 likesThere’s a possibility it could be a South African accent.
27 likes@gorelash I'm English myself and it is definitely a bit of a mix. Bit of a Anglophone Commonwealth accent tbh 😅
17 likesHonestly. I was steaming the entire time listening to him while knowing that man is innocent. I can only be happy I have not been in that position as there is no possible way I could be that calm while being falsely accused and having a man tell me he knows for undeniably that I did it..
10 likesLol that's not British
7 likesDefinitely a native of Australia or New Zealand, can clearly hear that he has lost most of the accent he once had
6 likes@S Gamingz ikr how do people think thats Australian..
22 likes@TheRealKaz i agree...he's aussie or kiwi
0 likes@FLUFFERKINZ I can definitely see that
0 likes@Lima Golf Bravo I agree also
0 likes100% not British, probably Australian or NewZealand accent.
5 likes@ppyxmw its British. Imnalso British and that's an English accent.
14 likesHe is Canadian, he cuts off some sounds and doesn’t stretch his ‘a’ sound long enough to be American, and also doesn’t oscillate the ‘a’ sound, so can’t be Australian. However, the detective is either from New Zealand or South Africa
11 likes@Kib Thanos aka Katara I agree
1 likeYeah imagine being british
1 like@JestemSmajli he’s from New Zealand
0 likes@TheRealKaz I agreed with you, but I was being a chicken shit and waiting to see how it all played out haha
0 likes@Yuggsy maybe he is from England but stopped off in New Zealand before a long vacation in India then he made his way to Canada after a 2 year course in South Africa on how to be a shitty detective
12 likesSounds British to me, I'm British.
20 likesThat is definitely not British mate. Trust me on that 🤣
1 likeIm half half and that accent is definitely not NZ or Aussie
7 likes@Jared Wolfe oh lol
0 likesSouthern English here, I agree with the ones who say that he's English with a twang of something else, probably from living in Canada.
16 likesobviously we kicked him out of Britain for lying without being a politician.
3 likes666th like
1 like@TheRealKaz Crom north England, he doesn't sound English to me either.
2 likes@ppyxmw I didn't do nothing to you, you're just mad cause you're British. Yeah that's it. You're just mad cause you're British.
0 likesIt's not a British or Australian accent. I'm 100% positive that it's a toolshed accent.
4 likesThere’s different British accents depending on which part someone is from. Same as America or Ireland
4 likesWHY??????
0 likes21:08 He says constitution of Canada
4 likeswhy? Police are permitted to lie...tell whoppers so as to get a confession...it's legal.
1 likeDoes his origins matter?
0 likesThe answer is no. Stop referring to people's origins.
What matters is individual attitude.
I'm British and I think he sounds British
7 likesnah he isnt english don't recognise the accent at all liston so how he says "here" and "duty"
0 likesHe is British, 100%
5 likesListen to the way he says Duty
He doesn't pronounce the T... Du-e
@ppyxmw nah that’s not australian
2 likesit sounded southern british mixed with something... candadian? idk
1 like46k for spending 3 and a half days in a shitty prison is kinda worth it tho ( not that i would do it )
0 likesHis name is Jason Leek. As an Australian, I can 100% guarantee that he is neither Australian nor Kiwi. He sounds to my ears to be someone from the south of England who has lived abroad. A bastardised English accent.
9 likesHe is also definitely not a South African.
@TheRealKaz don’t know where you’re from but that is no Australian accent, nor is it Kiwi.
2 likes@Emil Chandran I think he lives in Canada but he's from AUS or NZ
0 likes@Truth Hurts TV absolutely not. That man’s accent is nothing like an Aussie or Kiwi accentZ
3 likesYeah he is so stupid.
0 likes„I have work tomorrow, can I make a phone call“
Cop: „Well, you won’t be at work tomorrow“
@ppyxmw What ‘British’ person is she talking about?? Time stamp please 🤣
0 likes@ppyxmw I'm Australian and I can tell you that's not an Aussie accent. He even says "The consitiution of Canada" at the end of the video, lol
1 likeBritish people should be ashamed of themselves
2 likes@Easa Your deffo American lad
0 likes@Easa lol no
0 likesIt's Canada 21:05
1 likeIt's Aussie. The way he said "thoroughly" was a dead giveaway.
0 likesnot british
0 likes@Zakarii Tsuki odd "giveaway" words can be attributed to him living in multiple countries throughout his life, but the backbone of the accent is definitely southern English
5 likesHe's trying to use a known inestigative technique but failed miserably at it. He was in this for himself in order to look good.
0 likesHe is Canadian, at some point in the video it says.
2 likes100%
0 likes@Big Bootros my nigga there are 2 interviewers in the video. one doesnt have an accent. im pretty sure the person commented so we can quickly understand which person they're talking about ffs.
1 like@ppyxmw I doubt you are because he's clearly English speaking with an English accent, some hints of what sound like Scottish or some adoption of the Canadian accent. I should know I'm English with a blend of Canadian, Irish and US accents when I say some specific words, you're either a Scott, Welsh, Northern Irish or just English with shit hearing.
1 likeEdit: You can tell by the way he doesn't annunciate the T sounds at the end of words like, paramoun(t), tha(t), go(t), commen(t).
@mew mew simple my friend. The original message could have easily described the policeman by other means than by his origins.
0 likesThis policeman could have been described as "the first policeman" or something like that.
It's 2021. It's time to move on from constantly describing people (and oneself) by their origins.
This sickening Identity politics that's taking over on all sides.
We, as an individual, only represent ourselves. Not whatever group we want to belong to, or whatever group others want us to belong to.
Do you understand my point my friend?
As an individual you do not represent other people from your various groups (gender, age, sexual orientation, ethnicity, nationality ect)
@Big Bootros we're just having a conversation mate. I think "sickening" is rather overemotional for what's going on here, which is a discussion of accents
1 like@Oops The great philosopher Montaigne said that the term "how weird" can lead to genocide.
0 likesSounds crazy.... But...
We shouldn't judge others, or ourselves, on their origins. But rather on our individual actions.
Judging someone by his accent is indeed far from racism. Of course. But it's small step in that direction.
Hence my use of Montaigne. So I believe my point stands.
@Big Bootros except for one or two comments down here (probably trolls) there was no indication to me that British was used as anything other than an identifier (particularly in the rest of the conversation which really was just a conversation about accents), because it's true that a significant accent can be used to harmlessly distinguish one person from others. In another instance we might have said "the bald officer" or "the officer wearing long sleeves"; these seem equivalent to me to the initial case.
0 likes@Oops I must admit I hadn't read all the other comments. I was merely responding to the original comment. As it caught my attention.
0 likesBut I do believe that we can identify someone other than their origins or looks (bald, fat ect).
Long sleeves for example is good.
I wish we lived in world were we weren't judge by our looks/origins ect. However I do realize that this is just a dream. Pun intended.
Canadian. He mentions it at 21:09 when he reads him his rights. Though he sounds Australian.
0 likesHe sounds like a New Zealander.
2 likesAll these people saying "I'm British" or "This guy sounds British" Britain consists of Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland. 4 very distinct fucking accents. So if he sounds British, you're telling me he has speaks with some strange concoction of all 4 accents?. Wise up.
1 like@TheRealKaz hes propbs english but lived in usa for a while.
0 likesnot british, probs american british
0 likes@gorelash hes english but has lived in usa for a while. probs since a young teen
0 likesit is not a British accent
2 likes@Sam Benjamin it's Canada, not the US. But a lot of you are confused. Firstly, no one is arguing about what country this is. Yes this is in Canada. But his accent is from somewhere else originally. That is what we are discussing here. This is not how Canadians typically sound (I'm Canadian). Those who are adamant it can't be an Aus or NZ accent don't seem to realize that we are talking about a trace accent here. Just because he doesn't sound like the crocodile hunter, everyone is confused. Those who are English and claim this is any kind of English accent are missing the dead giveaways in the guy's accent that make it distinctly not English; maybe they assume those are Canadian features, which they aren't. I'll say it again, it seems to me to be a diluted NZ accent within a Canadian one. I would bet money on it that he is from NZ but again the accent is diluted which is why everyone is arguing so much about what it can't be.
4 likes@gorelash What's the difference that makes him NZ and not an aussie?
0 likesThat’s a kiwi accent but it’s very soft
1 like@TheRealKaz nah thats a brit
1 likeLmao I’ve sparked a whole discussion about the origin of the detective
2 likesYea he's definitely involved in some shady shit himself i bet
0 likesWhat British guy
3 likesHe is Canadian unfortunately
4 likes@Big Bootros Bruh, 99% of the comments are from people coming from the places from which the accent is questioned to come from, noone has taken offence to it, people are simply stating whether it sounds like or doesn't sound like where they come from, or where they think it comes from.
0 likesAs horrible worded that statement i just made was, it is paramount in conversation that when trying to identify someone we don't have to think about how we do it, a Chinese man isn't offended by being identified as the Chinese man unless the person addressing him knows his name - we don't really know the officers name, or atleast i didn't see it anywhere in the video so it's obviously not offensive to point to the single easiest identifier about - that he doesn't sound Canadian at all - but instead of writing "that officer that doesn't sound Canadian at all" which is pretty silly, we can simply refer to him by "the british guy" or "the aussie guy" etc. the conversation in this comment thread is simply about where he actually is from, because now it has become interesting to try and pin point, so unless you're literally from 5 different places all across the world, then you are atleast taking offense on behalf of 4 out of those 5, assuming that you might be from one of them atleast, which again is pretty weird. I certainly wouldn't take offense to being called the Danish guy, even if the person knew my name, i mean, it is a fact i'm from Denmark.
In fact it's more offensive to get it wrong people take pride in this stuff.
What British guy?
3 likesTrue
0 likesThe man who is charged should definitely sue that police department
0 likesPFFFFFF ARE YOU SERIOUS
0 likesBRITISH
Nice name
0 likesTHAT IS 100% NOT AUSTRALIAN OR NZ
3 likesnot british. More Aussie or NZ
0 likesDefinitely not English he's Australian or New Zealand
1 likeIt's called Received Pronunciation, and it's considered British.
1 like@ppyxmw it’s not australian
1 likeThat cop! - Regardless of nation!
0 likesThey said it was in Canada towards the end of the video but okay
1 like@TheRealKaz as someone who comes from New Zealand, not at all
3 likes@ppyxmw Have you ever heard an Australian accent?
3 likesI'm English and to me, this is a southern English accent with an American twang. This entire thread is basically people just trying to say 'nah he ain't one of us'.
3 likesHe said constitution of Canada. Maybe he is Canadian? 😀
1 likeIt's British!!! And he must have been in Canada at a young age!
2 likesBritish? You should be ashamed.
0 likesIf I am wrong then I am wrong.
0 likes@Dennis Barzanoff no it’s not. It’s possibly South African. I’m not trying to be rude. Received Pronunciation is very different but possibly not to people who aren’t British. Accents are weird. People have said in that it is stated he is just Canadian, but I can hear something else. Maybe that cause I’m British though and just know it’s not ours?!
0 likes@Tom - don’t agree he’s British, but definitely closer to a southerner than a northerner.
0 likesI'm English. Had a hard time figuring out his accent. Kept thinking British then Australian, but wherever he is from he is definitely well travelled as he's clearly picked up odd accent traits over the years.
2 likes@DreadShotz definitely
0 likesAs a brit myself, I can tell you that he is British and not Australian.
2 likes@Cameron Lala says canada in video... lol
1 likeThey mention the constitution of Canada so they're canadian
1 like@Jesus Daniel Hernandez he sounds like a British expat that spent a few years in Australia and now lives and works in Canada, also his wife maybe half Dutch.
1 like@TheRealKaz Some here could be unconsciously wanting to distance themselves from the policeman by saying he’s (the cop) definitely not British, or Aussie, or NZ. It perhaps boils down to national pride. Just a reminder that ALL original Aussies and NZ were British. He has a slight cockney accent ie east end London or Geordi from North East England, a remnant maybe in his accent of Tyneside English (Newcastle upon Tyne) mixed now with the accent from the country he is living or settled in, Canada. ie he could be first or second generation Canadian with a British or even Aussie background. Really impressed with how the suspect held himself... with unusual calm and equanimity, just a really nice guy trying to be understanding even of his lame accuser.
0 likes@TheRealKaz no, i am from NZ and it is not Aus or NZ it is totally different.
1 likemost likely new Zealand
0 likes@ida its not new zealand... i dont know where he is from but he is definitely not new zealand or australian... it really seems like australians and new zealanders are generally the only reliable source to distinguish whether its either of the aformentioned accents.
1 like@TheShimmy12 i honestly have no idea since its a mixed accent, and from where im from in australia no one even sounds remotely close to what he sounds like. i originally thought he was british tbh
0 likesHe’s not British or Australian. WTF is wrong with people’s ears? 🤦♂️
1 likeThat is not an Aussie accent, am Aussie, definitely not. It's a mixture of British and some American accent. He's to overly pronounced on the beginning of sentences and the end of certain words.
1 likeIt’s 100% not Australian or a kiwi accent.
2 likesI am kiwi and I am living in Australia. He is 110% British and has moved countries by the sounds and has picked up a mixed accent.
Lol are you serious? Clearly you haven’t been around kiwis and Australians very much. 😂😂😂 it’s a Brit accent that’s been mixed with another country’s accent. I’d say he moved from England somewhere
2 likes@ppyxmw 100% a British accent, I'm British (welsh and irish living in England). The fact that you think that is Australian is beyond me because I have lived there for 2 years in the past and that is 100% not an Aussy accent lmfao.
1 likeI'm British and it's clearly a British accent. He sounds like he's lived there for a while, but it's like Mark Ronson or Jack Osbourne, British with a few North American vowel sounds thrown in.
1 like@TheRealKaz Definitely NOT Australian or NZ
1 like@ppyxmw You may be British, but you can't be Australian or NZ. Definitely NOT Australian
1 like@gorelash Not Australian or NZ.
1 like@TheRealKaz its 100% British that has lived else were for a while. also you thanking people for agreeing with you is super weird lol
1 likeI love how people say ‘British’ accent we’ve got like 50 here
0 likesEveryone from America thinks anyone with an accent from overseas is british LMFAO
1 like@ppyxmw bri’ish mate
0 likes@TheRealKaz no he doesn’t.
1 likeI’m Australian and the policeman is a pommy (English)
@Yuggsy no he IS NOT, he sounds NOTHING LIKE a Kiwi
1 likeDefinitely Cambodian
0 likesWhy are you guys trying to find out where he lives lmao
2 likesEnglish.
0 likes@TheRealKaz no he sounds English
1 like@TheRealKaz Doesn't the guy say "under the constitution of Canada"
1 like@Kieran 40k yes they are in Canada but the detective is not originally from Canada
1 likeHe's not British. He's either a South African, an Australian or a New Zealander
0 likes@Ben Blackmore I disagree with you on the whole British thing, but yeah idk why I am thanking people for agreeing with me lmao. I guess I’m doing that’s because this is the first time I’ve started a big conversation like this...
0 likes@gorelash that is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my first comment that started this whole thing
0 likes@Big Bootros we don’t know the guys name and he clearly isn’t from Canada. How else are we supposed to identify him? Do we identify him as the bad cop? There were multiple bad cops involved and he was the only one who was shown in the video that had a unique accent.
0 likesHe's not British, but listening closely he has some manurisms of another youtube channel i watch called Karl Jobst (https://www.youtube.com/user/karljobst), who is an Austrialian. Not saying he's deffo an Aussie, just food for thought.
0 likesjust say British.
0 likesNot British. Don't blame us, we don't want him and he certainly isn't one of us.
0 likes@TheRealKaz sounds nz the way he says boogalar
0 likes@J Green no he doesn't. It's nz
0 likes@S Gamingz it's New Zealand
0 likes@ElementalFX115 it's kiwi mate
0 likes@Frogss he LIVES in canada
0 likes@Kristine Conlan he's trying to pin an innocent man. He was told the perp is white and totally ignored it and arrested a black man based on prejudice. That's why.
1 like@DYSPHORIA I cannot find my comment in order to locate what prompted you to believe that I didn't hear or understand that scenario. I am Australian First Nations & have endured this kind of racism throughout my entire life. I am very familiar with the double standard.
0 likesI think this was in Ontario
0 likesIn the video he mentions the constitution of Canada
0 likes@Take A Leap Of Faith Yes, I definitely agree
0 likesNot British accent there
0 likes@TheRealKaz no his a brit
0 likes@Yesmin Begum yes he does because they live in Canada
0 likesBritish Canadian actually. Lots out here where I live. They think they're Canadian cause they cant return home but have that undeniable crazy accent
0 likesWhy? He’s only going with his normal communist beliefs. Why should he be ashamed?
0 likes@pale it's just a healthy debate lol no need to hate 'fr fr '
0 likesHe's Australian not at all British lol
1 like@Cameron Lala innit haha I was a bit unsure till I heard him say 'Du-e' too. We from England don't claim him, thankyou!😅
0 likesOk but what's up with using skip2mylou as your name and having the photo of a white blonde girl?
0 likesWhatever happened to you Rafer ?
@Naomi Tilija thank you he’s not British
0 likes@TheRealKaz what? No he doesn’t. He sounds English
0 likes@S Gamingz definitely a brit , but lived in Canada a whikw
0 likes@Taylor Niall Ireland, Southern Ireland is not part of Britain
0 likesJust lol at everyone in the comments going “I’m this and he’s certainly not from here, maybe from that place” just for another person from that place to say the same.
0 likesCanadian
0 likesdo people even know what Australian people sound like? He sounds nothing like us
0 likes@TheRealKaz As an Aussie who grew up in Buckinghamshire and moved back as a teen, this second dude is 100% a Brit that has lived in Canada a while.
0 likesIt was stated in the video that the interrogation happened in Canada. Maybe the cop was originally from britian. Definitely not an Australian accent
0 likes@ppyxmw it is definitely not an Australian accent
0 likes@Kopie it was in Canada, not Britain. It says it at the end of the video
0 likes@TheRealKaz he’s definitely a Pom
0 likes@ppyxmw you’re British and you’re wrong
0 likesSo what I’m getting from this comment replies is no one wants this guy. From a Canadian, please anybody take him?
0 likesFunny thread. He's got an Americanized Irish accent, and since he's in Canada it hits a little different
0 likesBruh, what are you on? XD that's a London accent. Everyone who's not cockney or MLE speaks like that here.
0 likes@Caiyde being fitted up by a bent copper from London in Canada, diversity in action
0 likes@Green party of Wakanda ikr. if you look up MIchael Dixon (the innocent guy) on google, you can actually find the interviewer's name.
0 likes@TheRealKaz nope. He’s British.
0 likes@ppyxmw no it’s not australian either
0 likesi’m an australian
he may be australian with british accentish
or british with australian accentish
@ppyxmw that’s not Australian at all I’m aussie and that does not compare definitely British
0 likesHe sounds Indian for me
0 likes@Darcie F No way, we must agree to disagree
0 likesReally sick how officers don't go into an interrogation looking for the truth, but rather a confession. The Justice system is so twisted
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S. James you say that but it worked in the case of Chris Watts. It’s all about trade offs. Are you willing to let potential murderers go free so innocents aren’t imprisoned?
0 likes@Ahad Merchant I think if the net is so wide that innocent people are getting "caught" in it, they need a better net
0 likes@Ahad Merchant the case of chris watts was solved by his neighbour, any investigation method would have worked on chris.
0 likes@Ahad Merchant yes.
0 likes18,000 per day in jail!!!!! I hope they hire that British cop in my city. That guys getting people paid in his jurisdiction.
0 likesThe investigator/cop/idk-what-his-specific-job-title-is: “I have a duty” that I have chosen not to follow
0 likesNever ever ever talk to these incompetent life ruiners
0 likesAs an autistic man with a rugby player esque build that can misread social queues I have had to be wary somewhat of how I would be treated in these situations. Guilty until proven innocent situations worry me because even if I'm totally innocent I can't fully trust myself to conduct myself in a way that won't lead to being falsely accused of guilty. Fortunatly as I've become more self aware about my neurological makeup so to speak I hope that I can become better at expressing myself succinctly in these situations but you just never know.
0 likesEmbarsment of the highest level.
0 likesThe first and only time I've ever seen racial profiling...... and it wasn't even in America
0 likesI’ve been slammed to the ground because of wrong place wrong time, lucky for me the dipshit who robbed the convenience store I was walking behind didn’t do it with a mask so the owner cleared me almost instantly
0 likes46000 dollars??? I'd spend a couple days in a cell for that
1 likeLiterally had a video privated as I was watching it :(
7 likesUh... okay. So, why is it assumed to be "relatively easy" to distinguish "atypical behavior" from "guilty behavior"? And why would behaving guilty or feeling guilty indicate that someone actually is guilty? You know, being interrogated can often cause anxiety, humiliation and paranoia. Guilt is right around the corner.
0 likes"under the constitution of Canada"
0 likesOh that's why he is so nice, he is from Canada
Thank goodness for that ending
0 likesAnyone else think the whole getting a confession without evidence thing is stupid? It's like, "Congrats, you pressured someone into admitting to something they may not have done. Here's a promotion!"
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Well in their minds its more like; " Gratz, there was no evidence to solve this mystery but you solved it".
118 likesBut we all know that the guy might be innocent. And it's just a cope out mechanism.
It is kinda stupid, but if you really are innocent you are a lot more likely than to fight in court than to admit to something you didn't do.
12 likesWait till you see how it works in Japan. It's so much worse there. It's similar to the Salem witch trials where they ask you over and over again till eventually you break down and "confess" because you know they won't take no for a answer. I know they do that in other countries too, but at the top of my head that's the only place I know for a fact does it
83 likesI agree, I get the skill it would take to do that but we can’t just assume they’ve been properly trained in understanding human behaviours and being able to help the accused maintain their right state of mind. Most people would be scared and vulnerable to coercion bc they’re probably given false hope that it would make things easier; not everyone has a strong enough will or the confidence to keep their story straight when someone of authority is questioning their innocence for hours on end. That makes this method so unreliable... in my opinion at least 😅
11 likesOk so here as a break down here. So as a junior police cadet what we are taught is that me you or anyone else 90% of the time will go yea i did it arrest me. so we pressure them into only if we think there bullshitting us you can tell very quickly if there bullshitting you so we go man just dont lie to me we got you doing it here here and here we got witnessses to the best thing you can do is talk to us and we will tell the judge that you admited to it and even saw the error of your ways. most the time they go yea man i did it i just kind of needed some food and stuff. and we go yea alright man well lets get you to the station we will get you a clean cell and stuff thanks for being honnest with us
5 likesThat's the thing about all this stuff, it works great when a person is guilty but can backfire horribly when the person is innocent. These videos often highlight the "Reid technique". It can be a powerful tool in getting a guilty person to confess, but it's criticized for how often it has produced false confessions. And these issues apply to torture as well.
26 likesStuff like that happns all the time. Innocent people are more likely to craack under pressure and its really sad
14 likes@Tj Biggers The problem with that is that, as a junior police cadet, and even as a full fledged police officer, you are in no way qualified to judge whether or not someone is providing you with an honest answer or "bullshitting" you. Everything you just described is a justification for misdirection whose only goal is cutting down on actual policework.
34 likes@Treesus This is what happened to 16yo Patrick Dils in 1987 in France, though. The police asked him leading questions, and convinced him that he would be better off admitting to the crime, even though he had not committed it. He spent 13 years in prison unjustly. Weirdly enough, two other suspects had falsely admitted to the crime before him.
11 likes@Tj Biggers what if you think they're guilty but aren't like in this case? Then you get jailed because they lie to you and get pressured?
0 likes@ashtar Assadi no most the time you can really tell like let’s say I thought you where guilty of a crime but you knew you where at your girlfriends or boyfriend (no judgment just an example) you would say I was at my girlfriends house I would go hymmm how long you been there when did you get there and if you could tell me a relative time with out thinking about it to long I would believe you but if you forgot I might ask if I could call your girl freind to ask her
0 likesYa I agree with you I’m currently reading a book that talks about a mix of interrogations, politics 😑, people’s behaviour etc.. Main focus is about dissonance it’s called Mistakes we’re made (but not by me).
0 likesit’s a big book but I’m at the chapter where it talks about interrogators interrogating someone who is innocent and the interrogator thinks he’s guilty and it becomes dangerous for the victim because a small % actually ends up confessing to a crime they never committed.
But because they used the tactics to overwhelm the individual & tiring them “I’m not letting go until the person confesses” often the victim won’t understand the tactics used trusting the authority just like u would trust going in a job interview. So the difference between a job interview in other words giving information about you & an investigation trying to get something out of you which is a confession is very different & persistent making the subject (victim) unsure about themselves and starts thinking COULD I have done the crime but not remember?? It’s crazy how our mind will do that… All because we trust the authorities to catch the right guy.
It's almost like the police are corrupt or something.
5 likesCompletely messed up. There should be enough evidence to clearly indicate someone's guilt. If not innocent until proven guilty. Some interrogations have been so bad they have led to many false confessions. Like other people in the comments mentioned like Japan repeating the same question over and over again. Who knows what might go on in some countries.
0 likes@Alexia Neves Hello friend, I have a recommendation for you. Read "Talking to Strangers" by Malcolm Gladwell... it'll be another great piece on a few pretty similar topics. A little shorter and easier to read I'm sure!
0 likes@Stephen Putnick oh god, so glad i didn't have to say it, yes, torture does not work. I'm all for due process but when a system gets you the answer you want, not the correct answer, its not ethical.
0 likesMy brother is in jail rn for confessing to a crime there is no evidence for. I mean, he is the idiot for blurting it all out without having a lawyer present, but still.
0 likesKinda sucks to spend a year+ in prison when the only evidence is his testimony. That being said, I've heard what he said, and it is hard to imagine he isn't guilty based on his testimony, but there is always a question of "was he just making stuff up for some reason? Was he telling them what he thought they wanted to hear?" Like what he is being charged with is out of character for him.
If he had just shut up and exercised his right to remain silent, he would've been released many months ago.
Thing is, cops tend to not even realize people can actually admit guilt when innocent. They assume that the only reason to say you're guilty is that you are, so you might as well keep up the psychological pressure. Or they assume that those cases are so rare there's no need to think about them.
1 likeThey're wrong, but the phenomenon of fake confessions has only recently made it to prosecutors' and judges' awareness.
@Treesus that’s not true. You’ve clearly never been in this situation or felt the pressure of plea deals. The LAST thing anyone in court wants is for these cases to go to trial. They will trump up charges and throw the book at you if you even CONSIDER taking it to trial.
1 likeYou have no clue what you’re talking about here.
It’s a huge flaw in the system because the people directly involved with making the arrest are already biased in favor of making the accusation stick. Once someone arrested, an investigation should be as impartial as you can make it.
0 likesThe officer only got demoted and suspended with pay?????????????? That officer tried to frame that man and should be in prison. SMH....
0 likesIt is clear he is innocent.. I confirm
0 likesYes the end was very satisfying I wonder if the other guy sued as well cuz I would of indefinitely
0 likesThe virgin investigator vs. the chad Michael
2 likesThe cop was stuttering so bad
1993 likesClearly nervous talking all his fake crap, he really thought he’s get away with it?!
That’s scary...
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@L Franco hahaha
3 likes@CockYaLegS Ya. Its weird to me that in the US its literally a course you take, not an education.
14 likesHe probably learned this “ technique” of “your guilt is not in question” from someone else and didn’t realize you had to have at least some reason to believe the subject was guilty. Horrible police. Gives a bad name to all the good ones out there.
5 likes80 percent of crimes are resolved by confession, so it's not unusual for the police to claim that they have hard evidence that they don't have in order to elicit a confession. What was unprofessional is that the guy was held and charged when they actually didn't have evidence, and didn't bother doing the very minimal legwork required to check out his story. Say that hypothetically if he had been lying, they could have used false statements as evidence. What if they had caught the guilty party and didn't do the work to secure a conviction? Very sloppy police work all around.
1 like@Michael Richardson He probably learned from Action moves rofl, he was so bad, one would assume he is corrupted cop and it was a setup.
1 likeIt's the whole "we've found this at the crime scene, strands of your hair" kinda shit. This is a good way to get a confession but clearly they didn't get the right person and continue to press them.
1 likeThe funny thing is that this isn’t in the US, it’s in Canada, so all of the anti-American people can get out of here.
0 likes@Rikke Stellini this isn’t in the US
0 likes@L Franco suspect was a "small white dude" you may be onto something lol
0 likesDetective should have charges brought to him!!! This shit infuriates me! Innocent people pay the price because these piece of crap cops want a promotion so badly they are willing to throw people behind bars, ruin their lives so they can skip away with a wet pecker.
1 like@CockYaLegS yes, but you were implying that this cop was American, which was incorrect. Also, not all cops are bad.
0 likes@CockYaLegS I hope that that was sarcasm. If it wasn’t, your ignorance is incurable. In response to Rikke Stellini’s comment about the US you talked about the flaws in the policing system. Mind you, this is in the comment section of a video where the cop in question is a Canadian, but even before Rikke Stellini commented you talked about how people who can’t make it in the fast food industry become police officers here, implying that the policeman in the video was American. I cannot directly quote an implication, because it is not directly stated.
0 likes@CockYaLegS also, an implication is something that is not directly stated, so to some degree it was an assumption. Also, I stated that you’re ignorant only if you think that all cops are bad. It was implied, sorry if you didn’t get that part.
0 likesI feel bad for both those men
0 likesTo people saying how disgraceful it is that Justin (the bearded guy) spent two years in prison... Dude are you even listening? He went to prison IN HIS EARLY 20s for a previous robbery! If he was "falsely arrested" then how on Earth would JCS know/decide that he's innocent?
0 likesThe mere fact that they are introduced as innocent MEANS that they were absolved, do you even understand English?
(I know I come off as an a-hole but stupidity really irks me)
"3 officers were demoted and suspended without pay"
0 likesso basically nothing happned to them
"demoted" thats a bit vague? sounds like just a title change or at worst minor salary decrease
so sad, literally just got off work probably looks tired as fuck and they make him sit there in an uncomfortable chair with nothing for 2 hours straight, probably some tactic to make him easier to coerce. "sorry to keep you waiting"
0 likes"its okay" he said completely defeated
The amazing thing is... while Michael was giving 100% true facts throughout the whole interrogation, the cop was in-fact lying his ass off. Nice "investigating" dude.
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Alex Well I don’t really see a problem with that but clearly his bluff wasn’t working and on top of that the black guy didn’t even fit the description. I’m sure this was just a case of racism. How do you just throw out the profile description of a petite white male and then point a gun at a 6’3” black guy?
38 likesI actually don’t see anything wrong with investigators lying during an interrogation but this just another level of stupidity. It’s not that the cop lied about having having him on camera, it’s the fact the cop knows he literally doesn’t fit the description AT ALL and that he doesn’t have an evidence either to explain why it’s him they should be interrogating and not someone else.
8 likesAlways stay silent and ask for a lawyer, innocent or guilty.
7 likesThey are allowed to lie.
@Rudy Toboi lol why yes racism does play a role in every facet of society jcs specifically said that the investigator did not follow standard protocol and review the 911 dispatcher call recording, which detailed the suspect's race and height 😊
1 likeThat’s what cops do. They’re all liars. That’s what the system is.
2 likes@Stevie "...Or decided to reject it all together" You can also see that in an article someone posted in the comments above, that the officer still believed Dixon was guilty. He's just willfully being a scumbag and doesn't care about possibly of sending an innocent guy to jail.
0 likesThomas Westgard these are detectives and its literally their job to lie
1 likeBageda I mean, I know you’re right. I wish it were their job to actually solve crimes and find the person who did them, but unfortunately that’s not how the system works.
0 likesThomas Westgard yeh but this is a way to get the truth. When they say they have the proof alot of people start to tell them why and how to get a smaller sentence since they think they actually know it was them already. This is used for the main suspect alot of the time. If the person actually never did it they cant say they did it. They got nothing to lose by telling the truth
0 likesBageda That would be a great theory if the same methods didn’t also produce a high rate of false confessions from innocent people who think they can’t fight the charges and also try to negotiate for a lesser sentence.
0 likesBTW I wasn't trying to criticize whether Cops should be allowed to lie or not. I was just pointing out the irony that the one being accused in this scenario was the only one who was actually being honest and open to the truth. Which shows just how much of a dolt that cop was.
0 likesIt should be: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
1 likeAre there any more videos like this where someone innocent is being interrogated. There’s loads of the guilty people but can’t find many with innocent people.
0 likesNEVER TALK TO THE COPS!
0 likesHope the gentlemen had the opportunity to sue the shit out of that police department
0 likesThis whole thing feels like "Why did you do it?" "I didn't" "Yes you did" but stretched out for hours.
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"Look, I just really need you to have done it, ok? This will all be so much simpler, if you will just agree to disagree that you have done it, but deep down, you did do it; ok? Do you understand, you're going to be charged. Now why did you do it, exactly?"
111 likesAvery case again?
6 likes@Joscpe personally I like to imagine him just putting his service pistol on the table and saying “You did this, you’re the one who did this, do we have an understanding?”
24 likesThe only way to win is not to play. They gotta prove it.
8 likesdid they lose their jobs and sued
1 likeAnd that’s why you get an attorney whether you’re guilty or not.
7 likes"Hey I want my promotion ok ? Just say you did it . I dont give a f if you did it or not just tell me you did it so I can get promoted "
8 likesGuiltypersonsaywhat?
9 likes“What?”
“Aha! Guilty!”
@Jayson Malone you hit the nail on the head, just like the title says, guilty until you prove your innocence
2 likesThis happened to me before. It went for so long I had to admit I did it even though I didn't. Because I didn't want to be there anymore.
1 likeThe sad thing is this happens every, damn, day. The whole world over.
0 likeswelcome to classic police work
0 likesLike the Monty Python Argument sketch
0 likes@Sümeyye It's genuinely the cheese shop scene but overlaid on police work
0 likesbest video of all👌👍👍really insightful
0 likesFuck, I was so sad to hear that the American got two fucking years even though he was innocent but was soooooo unbelievably relieved that the Canadian only spent 3 days & was rewarded a settlement for his nightmare & the law enforcement involved were punished. I wish us Americans could see that type of justice!!!!
0 likesI pray that police investigator was incarcerated!
0 likesIf police officers falsely accuse and manage to get an individual into jail then those officers should have to spend the time of this "alleged crime" behind bars themselves
0 likesThe worst thing that you could possibly encounter as an innocent person is an officer/investigator who's already come to the wrong conclusion and is sticking to it. No matter how much integrity you have as a police officer, being wrong looks bad, and you try to avoid that if possible, even if you don't realize how it affects your mindset. Sometimes you stop looking for new information entirely, or you assume in the back of your mind that your conclusion is correct and the suspect is lying.
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I think the worst part about this was the constant backpeddling. “We’ll look into this to prove if that happened” or whatever the cop said when he drew out his movements. IF YOU HAD A “VIDEO” YOU WOULDN’T NEED TO
45 likes@Caitlin Fotsch cops say that kind of thing, "we already have proof" just to draw out a confession, whether they have that evidence or not, they are allowed to lie.
17 likesFun thing is, the justice system is kinda wonky
0 likesInvestigations is kinda like tunnel vision, I would explain why, but I’m not really good at doing so, you’d be better off asking google why.
@Mister No Nonsense Except they are not, and you have no idea what you are talking about. Personally encountered 2 officers who willingly lied and made up evidence to pressure and move along the case.
6 likesThey do that on purpose
9 likesOnly thing you should do ever is say “i want a lawyer”
That’s what it means when they say “you have the right to remain silent”
@Aveek Mishra My screaming toothbrush is a creepy guy and he scares me
0 likesThis sort of crap happens because i guess the cops don't want to bother spending time investigating, right? I mean stop with the bullshit assumptions, and attempts to get confessions without any evidence. Go do your job by actually investigating. THEN determine guilt. I'm so glad those cops got demoted and suspended. They are losers. I hope they learned something from that experience and became better investigators.
5 likesBeen there. It’s the worst.
1 likeNo
0 likesI’ve dealt with a detective like that. Asshole straight up told me hes been doing this for 17 years and knew I did it(robbery). Told me he was going to make sure I go to prison. The entire experience cost me my job, had to move back into my parents house and I’ve lost A LOT of respect for law enforcement.
3 likesHow about living in a country where 1. You are guilty until proven innocent. 2. You do not have the right to face your accuser. In fact, they will hide the identity of your accuser. 3. You end up with a detective who is more into numbers and resume bullets.
0 likesThey usually do... people in general always usually do, it's why other humans are so so scary and why there are people who just naturally choose to be tolerant of the situation because of countless previous bad behavior like this towards them and also become a more timid and anxious person who doesn't want problems...
0 likesWe all know what it's like of how most people are just too much and drama queens... they say other people are difficult lol no no... i don't think so, too many people constantly try to gain attention or compete and treat others as just a target to compete with even when you aren't one of those people and end up accusing and alienating people around them, staying calm and logical is the most sane thing you could do.
This cop was totally being lazy though, however these days the culture of law enforcement just encourages these sort of behaviors and in general the standards of reaching "work targets" has become so low that they encourage trying to get anyone to take the fall for things that even go wrong to reach them, but people are cowards and instead of speaking up they just go ahead and and do that to someone.
People in the comments saying that the first guy was calm, smart and well spoken, may be but, in that case the second guy was smarter because he already knew it wasn't going to help to be quiet, well spoken or anything else, no one in that room would believe him, then him unloads all the anger and frustration he's feeling, while the first guy wastes his time drawing and arguing.
0 likes“You can see the fear in his eyes as he realizes he’s not going home tonight.” Bro the best my internet can handle is 240p I can barely shit man
1 likeTo be honest, sadly, a lot (maybe not most) cases like this in Nigeria end up with someone going away without been heard at all, case closed. But at least he wasn't shot dead on the spot.
0 likesAlways call your lawyer
1 likeIt's both satisfying and infuriating to watch him call the cop's bluff about security footage
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I can't get over how calm and collected he was ,I consider myself introverted but I'd be def justin in a situation like this !!
1034 likesSARAH WHAT CHU DOING HERE LOL
104 likesSame feeling. Like dude call their bluff and assert your innocence! but he’s just trying to be nice. I’ve found that when accused it’s important to be direct and resist the urge to sympathize with your accuser—especially if it’s a cop
376 likes@Aurora💙 I agree. Although, as a black male, he probably didn't want to call even more attention to himself by shouting and being "aggressive" with a police officer!!
486 likesAt least the fact that there were consequences for the officers beehavior is somewhat satisfying. Wrongful imprisonment is not a minor thing, and many tmes nothing happenes at all to the officers responisble. The state paying restitution is funded through taxpayer money like everything else. The cop couldn`t care less about that. BUt demotion and a blip in his record will teach him to be at least a bit more honest and follow procedure in the future.
254 likesSARAH Z??????!!!?
11 likes@Aurora💙 46k for three days... sign me up!
44 likesJust an example of how any one of us can be completely wrong about what we think... definitely infuriating tho
9 likeshuh, small world
8 likesYeah I am an introvert but I don't have nothing on this guy. I can turn up the heat when I need too. That's probably a good hearted man. Introverts gotta stick together!!
31 likesTrue but would've been more satisfying if he just said "bluffing"
4 likes@Misunderstood78ca did he really get paid for his time in jail becouse he was not guilty?
0 likes@Mike Hunt be awarded 46k and actually getting them to pay may be two different things
10 likes@Captain Cairo god I hope life throws him no sympathy like he did to that poor guy.
5 likesThe anxiety this gives me is inconceivable.
6 likes@Aurora💙 your username confused and frightened me
3 likesI wonder if part of his demeanor has to do with the fact that he's a person of color dealing with police. You act like justin and you are a minority and you are fucked
27 likes@WiiFan20XX gonna be honest, totally thought they were gonna deem Justin as aggressive and give him more restraints or something
4 likes@Mike Hunt the city/police department has been court ordered to pay 46k
2 likesThat cop sounded a lot less professional when bluffing tho, less confident too
8 likesToot-toot
0 likes@phoebe is the best twelve million people have watched this video
0 likesIt is always satisfying to watch a chad like this utterly dominate the conversation with a pig.
8 likes@Molly N i dont believe you, i dont think you're telling the truth
1 like@Misunderstood78ca honestly lmaoo
0 likes@Sarah Z Why infuriating??
0 likes@Re su Just the fact that the cop brazenly lied to an innocent man like that to the extent that he had to be called out on it. It's not surprising or anything, but it is infuriating
25 likesRemember everyone: if your guilty get a lawyer, innocent GET A LAWYER.
4 likesMost of the time (IMO) cops are your friend. But, in certain situations like in all JCS videos it's literally you v. cops. Trying do this by yourself is dangerous!
Remember the Miranda rights? "You the right to an attorney" You have the right USE IT!
...even though Michael is in Canada idk what rights they have surrounding arrests. But I assume they're similar.
0 likes@Crash Bandicoot that stare down, though. Glad he didn’t get railroaded, like son in the jacket. 2 fucking years. And you know your job has no obligation to give you your job back. You have to work YEARS getting that shit off of your record. Being charged not guilty is HUGE but takes years to correct your life. Especially since son already spent time locked up… 🖕🏾the American criminal justice system.
8 likesI literally had this same interaction with a detective as a teenager. I was a rotten little shit and all the cops knew it. They decided to try and pin a school burglary on me where several computers were stolen. I was no saint but had a very similar personality as this guy. I had committed plenty of crimes but not this one. The part where he is excited about cameras was exactly how I reacted. I asked to see the video so I could help find the real person who did it because apparently I was seen walking the halls and said my real name so I said well I must know them. “No that isn’t going to happen I’m not letting you see the evidence.” I immediately turned into the example of the other dude got loud, called him a fucking liar and that it is now clear he doesn’t have shit on me because I didn’t do this. Fuck you arrest me and let me call a lawyer now not saying another word. Of course I’m a white male so he just took me home I didn’t have to spend 3 fucking days in jail……..
7 likesOh hey Sarah Z!
0 likes@ Sarah Z... there is only one truth in this world and if you are telling it you have no worries
0 likesHow can you prove to me... He doesn't have to prove ANYTHING!
3 likesThe "detective" made inspector gadget look good
1 likeFancy seeing you here
0 likes@Aurora💙 me too !
0 likesLove ur videos <3
1 like“We have footage of you.”
5 likes“Great!”
“Nah, mate, it’s not looking good for you.”
Like, what the hell?
Will JCS ever do a video about Toby?
0 likesTime Stamp?
1 like@KGYeatman against the nature of introvert, we dont stick up heat when we will sorry, thats against our nature.
1 likewe keep our feelings to ourselves, what youre doing is a combination of intro and extrovertisme.
Its only a build up to that moment we get angry.
What you saw was a classic introverted behaviour, recognised him in my way of talking and other introverts with being reasonable even tough its unfair.
@amosa mwig Being introvert doesn't mean you have one personality. Rest assure I am very introverted. As an inner city kid who was picked on as a child, joined the Marine Corps Infantry, and having been reluctantly placed in leadership roles alot through my life, I've had to learn skills to cope with these demanding moments over the years. I have combat related and non-combat related PTSD which gives me the ability to turn up the heat. It's not something I'm proud of but most people who meet me get mixed signals due to my situation. To some, it might appear that I have avoidant personality disorder.
0 likes@KGYeatman introvert is a character trait and is determined how you behave.
1 likeAnd we introverts dont get angry at will, because we will deal with our emotions introperspectivelty rather than outwardly.
I know lots of introvert people with similar behaviour including myself.
so props to you for what you did not every human is the same I guess I wont argue with that.
But what I do say from my experience so the people I know they're introverted, they dont get angry at will only when its build up till a certain point.
Heck I nvr seen some of them angry, but always reasonable, like that first dude in the beginning of the video, I also work together with an introvert and he also exhibit same similar behaviours, and it makes sense because
"Introversion is a personality trait characterized by a focus on internal feelings rather than on external sources of stimulation"
-verywellmind
@amosa mwig well I assure you, as someone who knows myself better than you do, I am not an extrovert :) and anyone who knows me will tell you the same 100%
0 likes@KGYeatman I dont need to know you, you know yourself, I know characteristics of introverted people showing similar behaviours because we just dont get angry (explosive angerness) is not in an introverts nature, only when its driven till a certain point but that takes a while.
1 likeThis actually made me aware why I behave reasonable even tough the heat is up.
@amosa mwig you do know in science and mental health there are exceptions to the rule? Especially psychology, almost no one ever fully fits the criteria for a diagnosis or personality type/disorder. All humans are capable of experiencing anger and it takes understanding the NATURE of pure ANGER to understand how an introvert can go from docile/bashful to outwardly expressive and sometimes publicly violent. I may have a bit of avoidant personality too, idk.. I don't deny anything you have said, but I know anger is alot more possessing than you give it credit.
5 likes@amosa mwig to clarify, it takes a long time to anger me too just like it does you friends. It's more over a boiling point for me. I try to suppress the rage, for an unhealthy amount of time until it explodes. I also take alot of crap before it actually gets to that point.
2 likes@KGYeatman I dont need to go by science, I go by the practical things I see with the people I interact with that are sharing the same character trait as I do.
0 likesYou can make it as complex as you want when involving science.
But again 1 thing you cant deny is, we are all unique.
Maybe I must piss off a new introverted person I get to know to test it out lol
Omg it's Sarah Z
0 likes@Roxanne MacKinnon who now?
0 likesHe should take this video with him to job interviews. I can't imagine a more persuasive demonstration of rationality, objectivity, and empathy. Like I feel like he's the kind of stand up person who wants so much to believe people are ultimately decent and reasonable, that he's trying to put himself in this jackass sockfull of bacon's position and trying to imagine why he might treat someone so unreasonably.
3 likes@Spots Corner right, last I checked you have the burden of proof ranger rick. I'd like a lawyer.
1 like@lee Tee wait, he's black?
0 likes@KGYeatman this is really interesting. My husband deployed to Fallujah and al Assad, USMC and he has combat PTSD and TBI and he is an introvert but he does avoid certain situations and he’s struggling really badly and some people think he has this but he doesn’t... he’s just traumatized from the war.
0 likes@Rho ... he knows exactly why he’s being treated this way. Why do you think he’s being so deferential to him ? It’s maddening to see and this made me so angry...
1 like@Claudia Bothner my husband and I are both introverts. He is a Marine with CPTSD and TBI. He will simmer when provoked ( like at work) or Narc parents are being abusive and then the rage comes and it is such an unforgiving state of misery . EMDR has helped but honestly this has destroyed any happiness he once had. It takes a lot to get him angry but when he does it’s a bit frightening .
0 likes@Lulu Bugz yeah that cptsd state is no joke. There's nothing like childhood trauma and combat trauma working together to turn the most gentle soul into a lunatic. And a lunatic is likely how your husband feels when he gets there. It isn't good for the self esteem after the fact.
1 likeI'm really glad you've stayed by his side. Combat vets usually have hard to holding onto intimate relationships. Youre a good woman! Whereas others would just label men like your husband and myself "damaged" and "too dangerous". I wish the best for you two. 😀
@KGYeatman that’s kind of you . I hate jodis and women who do what you said. I have been with him since before boot camp I wasn’t going to leave him because he got a TBI and has CPTSD. And you’re right. He does feel like a lunatic and this makes these issues very painful . I hope you’re doing well , and as you says introverts need to stick together.
0 likesnever thought a guy can be this much of a gentleman holy fuck deserves over 200k for his behaviour and also awarded their position
0 likes@amosa mwig You haven't got a clue what introverted and extroverted even means.
0 likes@amosa mwig No need to get so defensive. You're obviously rather inexperienced and probably not formally educated. It's okay, it's not your fault. You'll get there eventually.
0 likes@l Sure, wathever you say kid.
0 likesWhat bluff? He's innocent.
0 likes@P.P The cop is bluffing
1 like@P.P The cop's bluff about the supposed video.
0 likes@Sarah Zyeah I get that part, however the interviewee is very aware of his non-involvement and doesn't need to "catch" the cops bluff because from his perspective it's a certainty of the untruth. To to catch someone's bluff you have to be unsure of your own actions? I dunno... It's just a really messy interview/interrogation and I think this guy's really confused and just disappointed in the quality of their work.
0 likesAnyway I'm not disagreeing, just breaking down the technicalities because it's interesting.
He was so calm because he didn't want to appear as an "angry black man". You could tell he had a great deal of respect for the police. But I highly doubt that's still the case.
0 likes@Mike Hunt Sad but true sometimes they get awarded in court, but never see a penny.
0 likesso glad those officers got demoted.
0 likesnot infuriating at all what the fuck
0 likesI'm not sure if it was from you that I learned woman are interested in true crime because they want to see how they can prevent becoming a victim, but I feel like for me as a male this is the sort of true crime I am interested in for the exact same reason
0 likesI like a happy ending
0 likesAm not bluffing when I say, am in love with yuu. Will marry me?
0 likes@lee Tee girl what race gotta do? If they sitting on that chair, they already suspicious for doing a certain crime, I honestly think race is the last thing a detective thinks about when interrogating someone
0 likesI liked this one. Good on Michael. Bad on Hamilton PD. Rude or what?
0 likesI say Nothing. I will let my mouthpiece/Lawyer talk for me.
What we learned: Michael is the ultimate chad
0 likesthey need to reopen all cases of interrogator and make sure other innocent people are not behind bars
0 likesIf i ever get falsely accused. Id just laugh in the office
0 likesIt makes my blood boil seeing these “trained professionals” making false accusations, blatantly lie, and be complete and utter idiots and think that their actions are okay. It sickens me that people like this are allowed to be authority figures. Disgusting, they need to fired, no question, let go. DO NOT let these foul people have these positions of power.
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That's murica for you
70 likesDumb detective: Hey we have video evidence of you doing this crime
192 likesInnocent dude: Okay review the video
Dumb detective: Listen here you little shi-
Their job is to convict as many people as possible. Those trained professionals are promoted for making false accusations and getting confessions from intimidating innocent people.
94 likes@Ratchetti That case was in Canada
56 likes@Adam true xD....
2 likes@Ratchetti How reassuring to know that we’re all horrible. Although I’m sure American cops are still worse than Canadian ones. But I’m American so I’m biased.
32 likesWell they did say that was standard procedure so whether you're innocent or guilty, the investigator will be tilted against you and would try to force a confession even without knowing if such confession was true or false.
11 likesIf you got a problem with that, you gotta reform their education on standard investigation protocol. It's like reading a book or watching a movie, you know who killed king Hamlet and who isn't or who killed who or what but the character doesn't because they don't have the benefit of knowing all the information like the people watching after the event is already done...of course it would make your blood boil knowing the killer of king hamlet is currently speaking and blaming another character but for those character they don't know that.
They're "trained" to make you speak up during interrogation and if that's all they gotta do then that's all they'll make you do no matter what. They're not there to decide whether you're innocent or guilty. That's the jury's job. It's the whole justice systems fault for getting these innocent people in prison for having flawed protocols and not the people following those protocols because they don't know better.
@Ratchetti
2 likesThis was in Canada
@chewchewtrain yea, I was dead wrong about that xd
1 like@louie I really like your profile picture.
0 likesThat’s why I’d like to work in a job similar to this when I graduate. Although it might not be big, at least I’ll know there’s someone who cares
0 likesIts a method called Futility or some crap, tryna crack the person By using false allegations
0 likesthey do it because it’s legal. yeah these are bad people in power but it’s also the system itself that’s flawed.
0 likesSir this is a mcgenshin
2 likes@Ex Tempetus exactly people always like to take the moral highroad on any issue where in the end there is clear good and bad, but we will never know the outcome if we put the people in these situations, example being people always are convinced that if they where in Nazi Germany they would have stood against the evils of the regime, but there is very little evidence to support that would be the case. also love you analogy's
0 likes@Adam Being completely honest, the only significant difference between the US and Canada is the healthcare. I don’t know many borders more pointless than the US/Canadian one.
0 likes@Ratchetti you dont pay attention its in canada he said it like 20 times dummy
0 likessadly these are the kinds of people who make up police, feds, DEA, CIA, all of it. A combination of idiot pawns and their evil genius puppetmasters. The state would not be able to operate witohut it. And yes it extends into the Internet, to sites like this, where they censor, obfuscate, shadowban and virtue signal to push their agendas of control and suppression.
0 likes@Ratchetti Such a lazy recycled comment.
0 likesHow do you think this would go down in Haiti, Afghanistan, Mexico, Venezuela...pick almost any non-Westernised country.
I'm not even American and as I can hear from their accents, neither was this case 🙄
@Adam Canada is in America
2 likesi like your pfp
0 likesWell they do think they’re guilty i guess but idk :/
0 likesIs that a McDonald's employee qiqi? 😂
0 likes@Cynda Oh right, because people who use the word "murica'" people are referring the North American continent rather than the country. /s
0 likessometimes they do that , talking about 12y jail, and say "but i have an offer for u, u can take only 2 if u confess" and some dumb prefer to confess a fals accusation cuz of the fear to take 12 without no reason
0 likes@Ratchetti I hate to break it to you, but it's human nature; this kind of stuff is going to happen anywhere.
0 likes@Ratchetti It's very clearly stated that this happened in Canada. Do you often comment on videos you didn't watch?
0 likesSame. Manipulative SOBs aren't interested in truly finding the culprit, only getting whoever they have in front of them to confess.
0 likesIt’s their job and also the accused are always read their rights
0 likesIt's not just the people, it's the method and the incentives that attract those people. We need to change the rules. E.g., lying as an interrogator will get the case thrown out.
0 likesI had it happen to me
0 likesWell telling a innocent person that you have video evidence may cause a bit of stress but will still be beneficial as they will likely push them to watch while someone who is guilty will have a completely different reaction like trying to denounce it
0 likes@woodsmichael23 do you often comment before reading the comments?
0 likesThey also gaslight people into thinking they did it even though they didn’t.
0 likes@Ratchetti didn't they say this was canada though?
0 likes@Matt nah, only in america 😎
0 likesAcab
0 likes@James are you seriously comparing to those countries 😂😂 maybe compare to nordics or something
0 likes@J M read the comments 😅
0 likes@lotte they summoned the genshin fandom
0 likes@queer tears good for them good for them
0 likesblatantly lying to get a confession is perfectly fine. I fucking hate the legal system
0 likesI hope the second guy got a big paycheck for being falsely incarcerated for 2 years
0 likesHope Justin as well got compensation for this!
0 likesI found this police officer arrogant and so much wrapped up in "got 'im" that he forgot that Michael is INNOCENT!!!!!!!
0 likesMichael is a damn saint. He analyses everything, processes it, and comes up with patient, polite responses. He's trying to keep the investigator calm as well, while asserting that this isn't going anywhere, since he didn't commit a crime. He's doing everything to make himself a non-threat, like introverted people often do. But takes it to an extreme level of patience.
1066 likesI'm a horribly introverted person, with a decent bit of patience, but holy shit I would've lost my mind with an investigator like this.
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Not only calm, he remains so logical and analytical despite his desperate situation, it's impressive.
67 likesHes basicly that one crew member which finds the the imposter with logic, but than gets vented by his <80 IQ crewmates.
38 likesIf he lashed out at the investigator he would only seem more guilty
1 likeIntroverted people are actually usually the ones who will crack quicker and harder (I'm including the shut-down approach with this which I'd consider a form of 'cracking' and reverting/resorting to the most base instinctual form of self-preservation - avoidance) since they aren't equipped to deal with social anxiety like that and interacting with a threatening person. I wouldn't call Michael a typical introvert, which is more often used to describe people who avoid social situations because they don't possess the ability to identify with others well, and suffer from anxiety and alienation. Michael is a less popularly defined description of an introvert who is completely different from most people who identify as such, in that he has the ability to be very social and empathetic, he has a natural knack for listening to people and processing what they're saying with complete self-respect, confidence and acceptance of himself as the way he is - which is very healthy and something that most self-identified introverts also lack (in a way the word has become conflated with being on the autistic spectrum, because it sounds more respectable culturally). He needed that self-respect and self-confidence for who he is as a person, because those are things that will naturally lead to rational and calm responses to difficult situations. He just doesn't like being in the spotlight and has a fear of public speaking. He accepts these traits about himself and I bet he didn't beat himself up for turning down that job position which he would've been less comfortable in. He's a guy who takes care of himself and his boundaries - like how he enjoys listening. over being the center of attention. He doesn't judge that about himself, and is also much less likely to be judgmental towards others than the more popularly known, modern self-identified introverts. They are almost like Involuntary Introverts. Just like with InCels, it points to a different issue altogether, like self-absorption, social difficulties and/or psychological disorders like autism.
6 likesYou have made yourself look like the other type of 'introvert'. You're almost chastising yourself when you say you're "horribly" introverted, and seem judgmental towards yourself rather than totally accepting your traits as preferences instead of defects. You say you would've lost your mind "even though" you're introverted and patient, but losing it towards a cop is much less likely to happen to social butterflies , if you will, than to people who are on the spectrum and identify as introverts because they are out of their depth in dealing with people and understanding what their motives are and identifying with them. Something which the 'true' introvert-as-a-preference Michael actually excels at. (that bear daddy shouting at the cops, I think is even a bad example of what a true extraverted person is (this guy lives with his mom and stays home all day, and his behaviour already seemed more like he was mostly dealing with inner turmoil and anxiety - his outburst was however very directly confrontational towards the cops, which indicates that he's someone who probably regularly voices their opinion loudly - a form (or symptom) of some extraverted types. He's unusable as a control subject though because of his history in dealing with law enforcement and a criminal background which makes him 'tainted' from a psycho-pathological standpoint. Who knows what led to him behaving that way with his past. Michael on the other hand is just a regular guy with a clear history of being the self-appointed guide to his own life the way he likes to live it; with care for those around him of course.
@Herik Someone clearly hasn't played Among Us
0 likes@Herik It can be fun with friends tbf, with randoms its a bit of a chaotic mess
0 likesSaaame here! I'm introverted, but logical....if you're dead wrong I have no issue exploding on someone haha
4 likesI've been in this situation, granted it was only $600 worth of alleged property. But I spent 5 hours with a detective, cops at my house every day. Hardly once did I raise my voice to stand my ground. Part of me wishes I did in hind sight.
0 likesTh investigator right now will be having a tantrum throwing his toys out of the pram.
1 like@Johnny Natrium fam... I read this long ass essay and got absolutely nothing from it. You clearly don’t know enough about introverts to talk about them and wrote so much fluff that even my English teacher wouldn’t bother reading that shit. Introverts don’t have problems dealing with social situations because they are introverts (they are just as capable of dealing with social situations just as much as extroverts). There are plenty of common misconceptions that we are shy, don’t know how to talk to people, have anxiety, are insecure, unconfident, when in reality we just prefer our alone time. That’s not to say introverts can’t be those things but being introverted doesn’t make u insecure and bad in social situations. On the topic of “cracking quicker” that’s really just a basis of how you were raised and how ur character is. Anyone whether they are extroverted or introverted can have Michael’s level of patience regardless of their personality.
1 likeThis is what happens when Murray from Flight of the Conchords is your interrogator.
0 likesThis is so scary
0 likesCops always say why are you nervous ? Don’t be scared if
you didn’t do anything …
Oh, to be a fly on the wall of this investigator getting verbally eviscerated by his bosses... And their bosses... And probably their bosses...
0 likesSo hard to back the blue when they do shit like this
1 likeI can’t believe Micheal was so respectful towards the cop even while being falsely accused. His composure is insane.
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Well he kinda has to be, right? Otherwise he would just make the situation worse, he played it smart.
24 likes@Korean Zombie No he does not have to be. You didn't watch the video. This was a case of an anomaly and he explained how its the opposite of the other video. Furthermore, he shows clips of guilty people explaining themselves in contrast of the innocent person. You simply didn't take in the video
18 likes@Zino Wagner He does have to be. JCS doesn't actually say in the video but that other guy, the "typical behaviour" study got wrongfully imprisoned for over 2 years. Michael got lucky but it wasn't his composure that was the lucky part.
14 likes@M_uz12 He did mention it but very briefly, i'm sure most people could easily have missed it.
0 likesSame thing I was thinking. He was being genuinely nice and respectful even after he accused him and claimed to have "evidence." I would be livid.
2 likesHis life depended on it.
0 likesCanadian legal system so fucked up
1 likeI mean, if you’re being falsely accused of something, would you really be as composed as Michael?
0 likesGUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT
1 likeSkip to 17:03 for the most satisfying 14 seconds of your life.
0 likesyooo I think my mom was in labor with me when this interrogation was going on.
1 likeHe wont investigate anything he already has you pegged as the perpetrator so why would he if the outside investigator did not do the investigation he would more than likely be in prison for that burglary..the other guy got crapped on bad spent two years locked up because someone said you did something with zero evidence to prove you did i always say if someone does time because a witness said they did something or identified them as the perpetrator and they find out they were not than that witness should get the time the accused was facing seeing they think it is ok to ruin peoples lives..this is why evidence is needed to prove someones guilt not word of mouth there is a lot of innocent people locked up as we speak for this exact reason and that is sickening..i dont know how they prosecute off of circumstantial evidence that is not actual evidence and should not be used as such but they do..if you prefer to be a loaner and like being alone and this happens you are screwed because you wont have an alibi it would be just your word against thiers and this shows what they think of your word it is meaningless no ones word should be better than anyone elses word wether it is a bad guy,good guy,cop,lawyer doctor it dont matter anyone of them could lie to benefit themselves at any given time about anything..
0 likes"Getting a confession void of evidence is excellent for an investigator's career...."
1548 likesThis is where the justice system fails. It should be criminally punishable....
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Exactly why would you reward this kind of behavior while ignoring how easily it can fail.
100 likesThe people who intentionally make false accusations, like in the other case with Candy, should have much stiffer penalties. They should be made to serve the same sentence that the falsely accused person would have had to serve.
76 likesThe punishment for investigator's like this should at the bare minimum be fired with loss of pension, but they should be criminally charged as well. That can wreck an innocent persons life and then they're out the lawyer fees, if they can even afford one to begin with. If they have to go with a public defender then they truly are fucked.
You should be rewarded for correct calls, not getting confessions. Who ever thought it was a clever idea to do so? Who benefits from this?
27 likesExactly this. All they want is a confession, they don't give a SHIT who actually did the crime.
14 likesThis is especially problematic considering there has been people with intellectual disabilities who have been convinced by interrogating officers that they committed a crime and have given a confession to things they never did.
16 likesAlso the mark of a good prosecutor being how many convictions they get and the mark of a good officer being how many arrests they make...the justice system cares sbout “getting criminals off the streets”
10 likesBut in reality they only care about finding someone who will take the blame for the crime whether they actually did it or not. The appearance of justice is all that matters, not justice itself
We're working on that
1 like@styu3 knewton what do you mean by that?
2 likesBecause the worst crimes are the hardest to convict and prove is why. An innocent person should never confess to a crime they didnt commit.
0 likesThey get a lot of people that way. If you’re stupid enough to believe them why should the cops get in trouble? If it ain’t your mama or a dog you can’t trust them.
0 likes@Morgana Priest I disagree with that statement. some people can't afford home security.
0 likesJust like prosecutors getting better jobs based on there conviction rate. Lots of prosecutors fight to keep innocent people in prison despite overwhelming evidence because they don't want it to effect their conviction rate. Go watch Joe Rogans podcast with a representative of thd innocence project. A prosecutor literally tried to get an innocent person put to death because they didn't want to admit they were wrong even when the victims daughter bragged all around town about how she killed her mother. Absolutely made my blood boil!
0 likesim a trucker. I consider crashing my truck devoid of reason a badge of honor!!!!!!!!!!! were is my promotion
0 likes"Great work there, Lou.
0 likesWrap this up. Fast.
The fellas are meeting at Donut King in 20 minutes."
*edit: 2003. This makes more sense now.
Ig he’s just a very calm man
0 likesThat empty chair should have the accused's lawyer in it
0 likesPlease where are other videos.. i a, addicted to this channel
3 likesPolice arrests literally anybody: "The evidence we have is overwhelming"
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Police states
15 likes"WE KNOW YOU DID IT"
31 likes"Where were you at the time of the murder?"
112 likes"I wasn't even born as it was 20 years ago and I'm 18."
"So you have no alibi. I think we're done here, book him."
As much as it's a horrific strategy, it's a method they do to gain a confession
4 likesthey do it to scare the suspect into confessing before the interrogation. you’d be surprised that it works (sometimes)
5 likesthats why being courages is important to save the future generation
0 likes@ag yeah but it probably results in so many false confessions just out of fear
1 like@Hesket yah, except all the false confessions from people who don't understand how the system works, believe the cops DO actually have some proof (even if wrong), and believe them when they lie and say they just need a confession to help them
0 likes@Hesket so cops are allowed to lie? I shouldn’t be surprised 🙄
0 likes@Intello8 9 legally, yes they are allowed to lie
0 likesdemoted my ass ,all of those clowns should have fired,it aint their 1st framing a innocent person
0 likesthe police are the highschool classmates who call you friend and ask you for your lunch money in the same sentence.
0 likes"Suspect is a small White male."
0 likes"Got it. BOB SAPP! PUT YOUR HANDS UP!!!"
I knew a guy who just didnt talk when the police spoke to him, not a word, no name, nothing. It drove the police mad.
0 likesMy uncle is a pretty good and respectable lawyer.
3987 likesHis words: "If you ever get called or escorted to a precinct for any reason and you start getting asked questions, the only thing you should say is "am I being detained?" If they say no, you get up and leave immediately. Then you call me. If they say yes, or stop you from leaving, the next and only thing you should say is :I want my phone call", at which point you call me."
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@John Smith in either case, call a lawyer.. does not have to be jim's uncle :)
476 likesKinda figures that a lawyer would tell you to call a lawyer lol
189 likesBut yes, it doesn't take too many slips in the interrogation room to turn you into a suspect. Hardly anyone is as slick as they think they are
What if I don't have your uncle's phone number?
184 likesBetter call saul!
91 likes10/10 would read and like again!
21 likesLemme get your uncles number
27 likes@Nunya I don't think they mean you should call him. You should probably get your own lawyer.
15 likesEven cops know you don't talk to cops.
20 likes"Am I being detained" has become a meme because of stupid people overusing it when theyre just being ass holes, but its what u should ask in this situation.
29 likes@Marciano Jones I'm calling Jim's uncle.
17 likes@Tsukishima Kei We need his uncle tho >:(
11 likes@Titipe Ze healing It would greatly help us, but it's also a better tactic to just not say anything until a lawyer is present. You may luck out and end up being able to get him as an uncle.
8 likesThough Ngl we do kinda need him- he sounds like a good lawyer just from what I've heard 👀, then again he's just doing his job plus helping out his niece.
@Tsukishima Kei 👍🦶
0 likesYeah even cops will say that it’s best not to talk to cops, even when you’re innocent. They are trained to twist and reinterpret any statements while applying psychological pressure.
16 likes@Nunya hah 😂
0 likesjust call saul
1 likeshould i keep a lawyer card on me at all times?
3 likesThank you brother. Hope won’t have to use it.
0 likes@kamalindsey True
0 likes@Marciano Jones lmao
0 likes@kiru86 They sure do that....not to mention they have very little psychology 101.
2 likesBetter Call Jim’s Uncle
0 likesOk well what’s his number
1 like“Call a lawyer.” Sounds like something someone who really knows the law might say
0 likes@Courtney Graham how we guna call if we don’t have his number, turn your brains on boys
2 likesmy uncle's a lawyer too but we're not very close, never been close at all, since he lives next town and has his own family and is very busy to even bond with his family. not saying im not lucky too but you're surely lucky to have yours
0 likes@Marciano Jones nope I don't believe you, I'm only calling Jim's uncle
2 likesYep, my sister's a lawyer and she says pretty much the same thing.
0 likesIf everyone calls a lawyer before an interrogation, this channel wouldn't exist 😂
4 likes@Jai1253 Not really, most people know they should ask for a lawyer, it's just that the system is corrupt, especially for poor people. In this case cops have denied people their phone call, very common. This even happens for white and relatively wealthy people though only when they do things that the state dept don't like. Anti imperialist journalists etc.
3 likesThey know there is no consequence if they do, even if they're supposed to allow you a phone call. Say you want a lawyer, they keep you in a cell for a day or two until you accept just a "short interrogation" or whatevs. It's nuts.
@Tsukishima Kei it was a joke
1 like@Rodrigo Yeah, thus why I joked with them back.
0 likesI also just wanted them to know.
@Marciano Jones But what if Jim's uncle is the best in the game?
0 likes@TheWelshToast if he is the best then he is going to cost you a lot of money. But if you have it, spend it
0 likesBest advice you can get. Print this on a card!!
0 likesGood advice.
0 likesIt does not even take a slip to mess up. There are some videos floating around that explain it. Just don't say anything, period.
0 likesThis should be the background image on all phones and honestly kind of a prayer you speak out every morning or something… at least if you are black in racist America 😣
0 likesYo what’s your uncles number?
0 likesYour uncle sounds like a cool version of Saul Goodman
0 likes@BvousBrainSystems yeah, even if you're innocent or are completely and utterly truthful with every word and fact your words can still be used against you.
0 likesA cops wife told me - if a cop ever says "look, off the record...?" Clam up , don't say a word, no such thing as "off the record" with a cop.
0 likes@Tsukishima Kei " I don't think they mean you should call him. You should probably get your own lawyer.' No. I want Jim's uncle.
1 likeMy husband is a lawyer, and he says the same thing. "Always ask for a lawyer, because if the cops have decided you're guilty, it's not going to end well for you, no matter if you're innocent or not."
0 likesAlso, listening to this channel, I've sometimes asked my husband, "How many times would you have told this guy to not answer that question?" His response: "Oh, we would have hit 'Charge my client or we're leaving,' about five minutes in."
Thanks, will use this.
0 likescould you request a lawyer to be present before the investigator continue asking you? Because in another video, the investigator just keeps asking even though the suspect demands a lawyer.
0 likes@achmad ramdhan It depends on the country, but in the United States, you don't have to say anything, and if you've requested a lawyer, they cannot continue to interrogate without a lawyer present if you've requested one (unless they trick you into saying things a certain way). It's called invoking Miranda. A good summary of the exceptions police will use: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/questioning-after-claiming-miranda.html
0 likesLiterally though, you don’t talk to the cops even if you are innocent. It’s one thing to have information and are helping them in a case however, the moment you’re in a room and they even ask you a single question that feels like it’s interrogating then you ask for lawyer. We don’t trust cops, we trust lawyers 👌
0 likesHes better than me I would have went off on that detective hard
1 likeInjustice not “unjustice”
0 likesI would not keep composure there so I get the reaction of being incredibly upset xx
0 likeswhy dont these people ask for lawyers?? I wouldnt say a word to these cops after they display their confidence in a false acusation like that, not with out a lawyer, unless I dont understand these situations. Ive only watched crime docs and law and order. Never had a incident with the law. But from my understanding, these people should not talk to police and call their lawyer or have one given to them.
0 likesWhen he said that poor man was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for over two years my heart just sank.
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whats the time stamp on that?
0 likesMine too! That's horrible!! I stopped watching at that point.. too hard! And he hasn't received any kind of compensation apparently
33 likes@Dajilus 5:50
7 likesseriously. i feel so bad for him especially because he said he had done things in the past and turned his life around. i wanted to cry tbh
81 likes@manana I like all the episodes on this channel but just couldn’t watch this one this point on. Too cruel
6 likesFr I was like "damn dude"
4 likesI was so hit with that I couldn't even understand the next few seconds. I just froze. And he talked about how he's been to prison and turned his life around... Man, the poor guy. The poor poor poor innocent guy.
29 likes@Ruhollah Nakhaee I know I reminded it like twice hoping I misheard but I didn't 😢
1 like@manana how much compensation would make up for losing two years of your life, honestly? Jail or prison ain’t no joke either. It’s not a hotel, restaurant or fun time with the boys. You’re bullied, told what to do, when to do it, eat when they say and have basically no rights (they say you do but that’s hardly the truth) or healthcare inside or protection. It’s not okay to lock up anyone for something they didn’t do. You could offer me $10 million dollars right now for a year in jail or prison, and I’d still decline. People who served 20+ years barely got a few million if they were lucky. Having your freedom taken from you is not worth any amount imo but hey to each their own. Have a good day
0 likesThat policeman makes my blood boil - obnoxious!
0 likesWe should do that one tradition again where we ring bells and yell "shame" and throw rocks , that should be punshiment for being bad at your job lol and cough-racist-cough
0 likesI think that the reason Michael was so calm and undersyanding despite the fact he was unjustly put in this position, is because ot was 2003 and he's black. I hope that's not the reason, but I feel that it is
0 likesImagine all the dirty cops you don't see on video.
0 likesI hate nothing more than people being wrongly accused of something they didn’t do
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Then why did you say people should be sent to prison before they commit a crime?
2 likes@Lewis I don’t think he said anything
10 likesOk also hate that
0 likes@Lewis this is a troll to annoy hin right? Lol
3 likesIts disturbing tbh
0 likesnow imagine getting the death penalty for a crime you didn't do, fucking crazy
1 likeYep, I agree with you. There are three thing I hate the most. Being unloyal, stealing, and false accusations and imprisonments.
0 likesLady should be given life in prison.
0 likesShe was willing to ruin his life and take it away, so take hers away
I would probably take three days in jail for $45,000.
0 likeswowwwww what a nice gentle man damn so sad
0 likesDemoted and suspended yes!! Unfortunately their error cost the tax payers lots of money.
0 likesHm. Well, never know when opportunity knocks $46,000 for 3 days in jail. I have never been in jail, or even seen a jail, but I think would take that deal :)
0 likesWhen he accepted to speak with the police without a lawyer is what got him. Even if you are innocent, you have NO REASON to speak to the police. Nothing you say will convince an officer hell bent on a conviction to change his mind.
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The problem is a lot of people can’t afford a lawyer. They have to rely on an overworked public defender who’s main job is to keep this wheel turning. Not to protect innocent defendants. Although some really are good people who do try to help.
85 likes@Alex Martin lawyer or not, don't talk to the police. They can and will use anything you say against you.
115 likes@Alex Martin This is not true in Canada. In Canada there are no public defenders. If you have no money, you get legal aid and that pays for your lawyer. It will not buy you the best in their field, however that lawyer has everything to gain from representing you as best he/she can, as the only way to climb the ladder (and ask for higher tariffs) is to be successful. Because of this, it is a better system than in the US.
43 likesA lot of people seem to base their views on how it is in the US, but outside the US things can be different you know...
This and much cheaper health care is why I want to move to Canada.
9 likesIts either that or maybe that police should try to solve crimes instead of just pinning them on random people so they can go home and tell everybody how well their're doing their jobs...
12 likesAnd let me tell ya; from what I'm seeing you have just as much a problem with your police as you're having with crime over there in the US^^
@Alex Martin Doesnt matter. You tell the cop to get "A" lawyer. Not YOUR lawyer.
3 likes@MCP/ChronicBuzz You do understand that this man was set free because of a cop doing exactly that dont you?
8 likesIf you think problems are equally large in canada, you are not looking.
They will continue to grill you for hours before the lawyer shows up though.
1 likeI've watched enough of these interrogations to know that if you are ever in a room with the police you keep your mouth shut especially if your innocent. Some of these cops are like Hollywood writers and will use your own words to craft a story that fits their narrative.
7 likes@SameerWahabShamim Chowdhury Cool one more person who hasn't paid a fucking cent into our healthcare coming here to use it. Don't worry I'm sure this is sustainable for us, and isn't deeply inconsiderate to abuse another countries social systems in this way.
0 likes@Ragnarok Ahhh yes, because I a 13 year old child want to go to Canada for free health care is so incosiderate and abusive to it's social system, how nice.
3 likes@SameerWahabShamim Chowdhury I had a job that was being taxed at age 12 which was going towards the health care system. Your age is irrelevant, it is inconsiderate and abusive to want to use something you (or your parents) haven't provided for.
0 likesYour country doesn't owe me shit why does mine owe you?
@Dee Rick In their defense, the mind convinces itself of things. It's awful, but they believe in their abilities and won't be convinced otherwise, especially when it's in their best interest to bust as many criminals as possible. Ill-conceived goals that ruin lives. Promotions and pay raises should be contingent upon individual cases. Maybe they managed to trip up a suspect into giving information that seals the prosecution's case. That's better than "Mike got 53 baddies and Joe got 64. Joe, congratulations"
0 likesSo true, learned that the hard way.
1 like@SameerWahabShamim Chowdhury "Much cheaper healthcare" Factor in the lifetime of higher taxes and thats not really true.
1 likeExcept the fact if you don’t talk to them and go through a lawyer then you have to shovel out money for a lawyer. This guy was unemployed at the time right? So that right there is why he didn’t shut up and talk a lawyer. He thought he was obviously innocent and didn’t wanna spend thousands.
0 likes@Jake Lewis read the thread.
0 likes@Ragnarok are you serious? you must have no idea about Economics and Social Systems if you think that people coming into your country will collapse your health care system. I’m from Germany and people come here for these benefits as well. It’s what countries want, because we need talented and hard working people from all around the world. My girlfriend is from Russia and she benefits already a lot right now from our affordable and good health care but my country will benefit a lot more from here in the long run (she’s a Physician and soon to be PhD). And if you say that’s different because she is qualified, trust me there are still stupid people who want her out of the country.
6 likesIf you ever visited a university‘s master Programm you’ll see how many immigrants are sitting in there, because almost no country can meet the demand of smart people by themselves.
Please think about what you’re saying next time, when you’re telling this crap to a young kid who’s dreaming of coming to your country, because people like you are actually ruining their own countries without even knowing it.
@Ragnarok Uh, isn't that child labor?
2 likes@Alex Martin problem is you don't know you're bill of rights or the common law that it protects
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0 likes@Jan ok jan, I guess you neglected to look at how many people we take in. It's more than anyone, it's ridiculous. There are so many differences between Germany and Canada it's amusing that you'd even begin to compare. They aren't the same because they have socialized medicine. It's simple math, there isn't an infinite supply of medicine or medical care and we have trouble getting full coverage to citizens who have already been here for decades paying for it. More people who, out of the gate, claim they want to benefit from it who have yet to pay for it... is a strain. Sure might not collapse overnight but have some foresight... The demand line is rocketing and the supply line stays flat.
0 likesCredentials are the bottom line, I don't care how many minorites are in a PHD class if none of them ever publish anything that's cited or used by anyone else. But by all means continue to wave paper credentials around like they mean something.
We don't need high population because it's only a good thing if you can sustain it.
Who cares what age he is. He was old enough to post the comment but not old enough to hear criticism? I didn't know what age he was when I replied so I didn't choose him because he was a kid and I'm not going to disrespect him with velvet gloves so take your white knight routine to someone who cares and to someone who it's applicable to.
Well I know the man I am, I know my behaviour is sustainable and I don't rely on anyone but myself. I will never destroy my country and even if it is destroyed I'll still be okay because I'll have what it takes to stay and rebuild. I doubt the people here for health care will be there with me to rebuild but I know they'll be back once it's finished...
@Jo Salals Well you clearly disagree with what I said but offer no alternative. At least Jan had the stones to provide an argument. I'm fine being the joke because I've just found my punchline!
0 likes@• 7 minutes ago • 4 years ago No, I was old enough legally to do the job. I chose to do the job of my own volition in exchange for the wage they promised me. I didn't need to work because my parents provided for me the things that I needed so I wasn't coerced or manipulated in anyway and I could quit at my leisure. Didn't feel like child labour to me. Hell, I was one of the few kids who had extra disposable income after they spent their allowance.
0 likesHow is it possible that an investigator and interrogator can indict you with false evidence? And on top of that get a promotion because of that? UNFUCKINGBELIABLE!
0 likesI am so happy he got money out of it
0 likesSuspended and demoted.....but still cops. Do you see the problem here?
0 likesIve checked the footage you are guilty…. $46,000 can richer the ACCUSED lol
0 likesAttempting to coerce a false confession should be a felony crime.
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Lol it's common practice.
52 likesLol as if. How would our rulers get their promotions?
34 likesIt'd be almost impossible to prove. You'd have to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer in question did not believe the victim was guilty. Good luck making that charge stick. :/
34 likes@Max Lennon if the officer lied or pretended to know things he didn't, as in this case, the criminal intent is clear. Any officer who lies during the course of an attempt to coerce a confession can be assumed to be acting with criminal malice.
81 likes@Andrew Camden that’s part of the interrogation process lol. If the dude said we have video evidence a guilty person may confess to it. Why the hell would an innocent person confess when they knew they didn’t do it and the cops had video evidence of them not doing it?
16 likes@Andrew Camden Yes, I thought he did the accusation misconceiving, in good faith. You lot seem to think/know he did false accusation knowingly. Can they do that just to get a suspect convicted, not caring for justice and truth? Do they get praise for convicting, not for truth/justice done?
3 likes@Claudia Bothner they have quotas to meet. Metrics to hit.
4 likesIt’s well known some detectives will do anything to close out a case including putting innocent people away for crimes they are not at all guilty of.
@Andrew Camden LOL My wife solved every mystery around our house by applying this exact tactic on all our three children. She tweaked her method just enough to keep it working through their teen years too. Magic!...
0 likesI guess my point is that fake it till you make it is an important tool when you're trying to get criminals to confess.
Watch JCS' other videos. They all use the same practice on people who actually did it.
0 likes@ChrissyPlus yes because 99% of the people in these videos are innocent.
0 likesPlease, grow up.
It's not because, and I can't remember the case law, law enforcement can actually "lie" to get you to say anything, except under oath in a courtroom.
0 likes@Zander Quinn Maybe. I'm not a lawyer. But that's not relevant to this discussion.
2 likesDo you think people who comment on these videos think the criminals can see their comments? This is common, general-purpose, kindergarten-level advice for everyone when interacting with the police. Cheers!
0 likeslol no
0 likesIt's legal in the US even to do that and arrest a minor
0 likesJust the cop’s accent screams c-word.
0 likes@ChrissyPlus only one way to interact with police , say NOTHING. exactly NOTHING , and only NOTHING.
0 likesGood luck proving someone legitimately believed the person was innocent. What a stupid comment.
0 likes@Visible Human There's a practice where for 8 hours + where the interrogator constantly interrupts them telling them they did the crime and they're going to jail until the person admits they did the crime even if they're innocent they don't want to experience that any longer
0 likes@Max Lennon so you support the behaviour of this investigator
0 likes@Malachi 6 So you make random unsubstantiated claims online?
0 likes@Unionknight ahh yes that is messed up. But going in to an interrogation it seems like it would be most effective (generally) to act as though you know the subject is guilty… if it’s an innocent person I doubt they’d give in to stress and falsely confess to something if the interrogator was just asking questions framed in a way that insinuated guiltiness. If they went in to an interrogation acting like the person is innocent on the other hand and they are just asking questions to probe then the people will typically be more defensive and won’t give info/ confess even if they were guilty ( there is of course outliers here). What you are describing sounds like a form of psychological torture.
0 likes@Max Lennon maybe you should have just said yes or no and be done with it
1 likeJapan is KING for that
0 likes@Malachi 6 And maybe you should have asked a question instead of making an assumption.
0 likesHonestly I believe this guy way more than the other guy he was so calm and confident he was innocent. Even started to question the cops lack in investigating skills. Also called his bluff on the video information. Or….. a criminal mastermind😂
0 likes@Max Lennon the question is do you support the approach this investigator used on this man or do you think he should have done better
0 likes@Malachi 6 The approach is fine. The problem is the choice of suspect. Dixon should never have been in that chair, so when we have that knowledge in advance, any tactics used against him are going to come across as inappropriate. In an ordinary situation, where someone is detained with probable cause, deceptive tactics are absolutely fair game.
0 likesThank god that one ended nice.
0 likesOfficer, if you have me on video tape, then you'll have to show that evidence in court. When you can not do so, I will use the law like a hammer, and the courts live an anvil, to beat the financial resources and spirit out of you. Lock me up, and let's make it happen, friend. ;-)
0 likesanyone else tired of wicked cops who dont care about anyone but themselves and their gang?
0 likesI myself was atrested for Failure to appear. Never had a court date. Had to pay $300 to a bondsman. The charges were dropped as soon as i went in court. Was told i couldnt get my money back because i paid a bondsman 300 and not the whole 3000.then was advised i could sue but would pay more money then i would recive back. It is nightmare to be arrested for nothing and robbed of my money.
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And was never given an explanation by the way as to why that happened.
0 likesImagine being so bad at your job, that you would rather wrongfully imprison someone than actually investigate a crime. 🙄
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Welcome to the world of the police in pretty much any country.
180 likesThis is a strange phenomenon that i actually only see in north american countries
51 likesYes, this definetly happens in North America all the time, but almost never in other countries. I live in norway, and i have only heard of 1 single wrong imprisonment over the last 20 year's.
38 likes@Stefan Vegsund the video was in the uk
16 likes@pandoman actually, it was in Canada.
69 likesSo much more than simply being bad at your job; it's deliberately LYING to get another person into prison. No one should be above the law, or below the law - the law either applies to EVERYBODY....or it applies to NOBODY !!!
42 likes@Max not really in uk anymore after big cases like Guildford four etc
1 likethe interviewer came from Romford......I'd like to see the analysis of the guys recruitment interview.....that will be a revealing onion
6 likes@Max Nope, in my country are competent and it takes a lot to become a cop, maybe that is why.
1 likeInterviewer: So why did you falsely accuse him of aggravated assault?
4 likesSome police officer: Money
The term Northern America refers to the northernmost countries and territories of North America: the United States, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, Canada, and Greenland.
0 likesI guess you guys tqlk about 1st world countries :) the set forth happens in 3rd world countries all the time
3 likes@pandoman Canada is no longer part of the UK.
2 likesCanada became a self-governing dominion within the British empire on 1 July 1867 when the British North America Act was passed by the UK Parliament.
Canada obtained full autonomy when the UK Parliament passed the Canada Act 1982.
Police are human and make mistakes just like everyone else, but at the same time, their mistakes have serious long lasting consequences in others life’s.
5 likes@Max facts
0 likesKamala Harris did that as a prosecutor too
9 likesExactly whats going on. And they never caught the perp lol
0 likesYou mean like the Democrats with Trump?
3 likesI think Eazy E just revealed that he's a prosecuter somewhere. He ignores alll the evidence that's right in front of his face.
1 likeBut that would like require work.
1 like@Feroplays46 rrrrriiiiight wrongful indictment only happens in the USA and Canada...
1 like@DT i didnt say it dont happen anywhere else what i meant was i only see that to this degree in north america? Especially the us where 5% of all death penalties are wrong?
2 likes@Feroplays46 then say that 😂😂 because you literally did say it’s a “phenomena you only see in North American countries”
1 like@DT only see doesnt mean only happens are you dense?
2 likesIn some countries that's rule instead of exception
0 likesDon't put all the blame on the officers, the system trains them that making their quotas is more important than upholding the law, the way it should be. That's not to say the officers are not assholes, they obviously had a choice.
1 like@Feroplays46 you need to get out more if you actually believe that lol. I'm sure the police in dictatorships around the world are super honest lol. that profession doesn't attract honest people. doesn't matter the country
1 like@Josh hahaha bro what are you Even talking about? Dictatories arent even worth to mention because duuuuuh?! We are Talking about the democraties of the Western world gosh you americans cant even think in context
1 like@Max Nah
0 likesIt's easier, and it leads to promotions. It should be criminal to try to get a confession in bad faith.
1 like@Feroplays46 "Dictapasteries and Desocrates?" haha, Not to mention you're getting all riled up when someone forces you to be more specific? Then you get all riled up because other people are not being specific? You're quite the character lmao
1 likeits more that he'd rather imprison the wrong person than admit he was wrong. I reckon 95% of people on earth have a problem admitting they're wrong. It takes great character to admit being wrong, but it also allows you to grow as a person.
0 likesImagine being the prick that sees this happen a thousand times and lets his officers get away with it.
0 likesIt’s difficult but focusing solely on the investigators mistakes is unfair, yes some professions require a lot more diligence and most of those professionals take it to heart including most of the officers in the video, still not a place for people who’s greatest fuck up could be an unevenly attached coffee cup lid or shorting change then you don’t have the expertise.
0 likesthey all lie(they're trained, coached, encouraged to lie); and go for the quickest confession(even if coerced~!)
1 like@Dankest Ranch yup and so did Trump but he did it as a private citizen. So did Biden, all politicians are crap on both sides.
0 likes@Stefan Vegsund Just because you never hear of them doesnt mean it does not happen.
1 likeThe interrogator was trying to get a quick promotion, boy did that backfire lol.
0 likesI agree, Michael said he was on the bus and it has cameras. Investigator should have gone there right then.
0 likes@Angus Black nope Canada is still part of The uk The queen is on The money
0 likesLike the VP Harris..
0 likes@Stefan Vegsund srsly? Norwegian police is infamous for being very eager to accuse parents of child abuse.
0 likesLaziness
0 likes@Max not here in finland tho
0 likesThis is the majority of investigations , look for a book by a law professer called you have the right to remain innocent
0 likes@Max so true i had to experience the same already in germany
0 likes@Feroplays46 I live in New Zealand and it's very much a phenomenon here too.
0 likesOne time my grandfather was accused of murder when he was young, but... he had been with family in an entirely different state at the time of the crime! Nowhere near the victim, my aunts who he was visiting had to come to the courthouse from all that way away to vouch for him and help him go free. Sometimes, they make mistakes
1 likeits the easier solution
0 likes@Stefan Vegsund Maybe because you guys in Scandinavia are really naive.
1 like@Stefan Vegsund Yeah sadly the issue is the police care about their image to the public more than seeking justice because the good image gives them a pay bump.
0 likes@pandoman lol work on your accents man :P
0 likes@Max Not norway. Both our investigators and prison system are at such high level, we travel around the world to teach others. But what to expect from people having 6 months at a police academy like in US and other countries, working in a system where its all about money, sending people to private prisons which earns big bucks of others misery. They´re not unconditionally looking for truth, but by all means a way to place blame.
2 likes@ITILII I see no problem with an investigator lying to get things moving faster, the problem is when they fail to do their job by ignoring the evidence
0 likesPolice, judicial systems, and psychiatry are all ripe with incompetent people.
1 like@Tomáš Trmata Higher education doesn't stop incompentence. Police has at least a bachelor degree in my country, yet there's plenty of incompetence. The difference is, sadly, a larger inertia for accepting this. After all, 'educated people cannot be incompetent' is a dangerous mantra to have.
2 likes@Stefan Vegsund You haven't done your research then. There have been plenty of wrong imprisonments in both prisons and psychiatric institutions. And one of the main faults is structural. Judicials do this to several individuals every single year.
0 likesSeveral was found innocent after being punished. Some of these cases were obviously fraudulent. And Norway rarely care about paying any reparation for such misconduct. Any incompetence goes unpunished.
@Fael Reklaw Most of my countrymen are. There are plenty of examples of misconduct in Norway. Plenty.
0 likes@Steffen False. Higher education does not compensate well for incompetence. And this happened in Canada, which has similar educations and systems for police as European nations.
0 likes@Daniel H It is many places. It still happens, sadly.
0 likes@Nathan H One has to seek them out from various institutions and lawyers do post case findings to advertise for themselves. Most of these errors are well buried from the public. Norway has done plenty, and has been critizised for structutal errors. European courts has found structral breeches of human rights even.
0 likes@Finn S. Higher educations isnt a guarantee preventing bad jugdement at an individual level, or in every case. But on group level, education and experience within the right framework will increase the possibillity of making well thought out decisions. Of course, morality, culture, politics etc within the country will be decisive for how the systems work. Also the direction of the education.
1 likeAnyways, from what i understand.. police in US or America at large ,get way too less time to practice these important situations.
Even the mass murderer at utoya, in Norway, got ten times as fair treatment than these people.
@pandoman 21:10
0 likes@Stefan Vegsund
0 likesBad people are attracted to jobs that has authority and forceful exploitation.
Seeing how the norwegian cops is differentiating in upholding the criminalisation of drugs by going more after minorities and drug addicts in eastern Oslo, worsening their situation with bills and drug contracts, it's clear there is not a secular mindset in the force.
Where the police, however, is not differentiating is about the circumstances in relation to drug consumption: there is several cases of rape victims getting charged and contracted for drug use that they themselves wasn't responsible for, (even people that only seek help through calling health services) and imagine then how humiliating and unnecessary that check up the genitals are for the victims in these cases. With a bill on top of that and a drug contract, it's shit for those that struggles most in our society because the police feel they have had a good job done on their part.
Though objectively milder and more humane than other police forces around the world, it doesn't exclude the Norwegian police force from being shit and ignorant towards people in certain areas, especially in drug related cases.
(no, not ALL cops are bad of course, but the bad personalities that are attracted to the force are the ones being dominant there, trying to justify the means behind their oppressive behaviour in a manipulative and ideological manner, while the few "good ones" have too little influence to make a difference. Some individuals in the norwegian police force have spoken out in defence of the recent drug reform law being suggested, though, so kudos to them for being insightful about ethics)
Gotta get those monthly metrics :P
0 likes@Feroplays46 I can just feel your arrogance
0 likes@Amy...or be so arrogant that they refused to admit...they're wrong. 😤
1 likeDeep.
0 likesTo be honest, this is how all western juridical systems are built.(maybe all...?!)
0 likesIt's not about finding the right person(though, which they often do), but more about "clearing cases".
There is a really easy explaination to this:
We as society expect to see crimes cleared.. that is why there are statistics for that.
If you all are not familiar with it "Paradise lost"(HBO I think series), an incredibly twisted and sad turn of events:
That not only took the lives of three small boys(like 8 years old) , but also wrongfully imprisoned 3 other young men.
If you look at it, it becomes very clear:
Society wants someone to pay.(And if you watch the documentary you will know exactly what I mean, it's very outspoken in the documentary, but the same thesis applies everytime something unjust have occured)
It does'nt really matter who it is that pays, just that someone does.
It's much easier for law enforcement to single in on someone "who could have done it", present him/her.
And let society quenche its thirst for justice(..or blood for that matter)
Because when we are at ease with the fact that justice have been served.. then we have another notch to add to the collection of "crimes solved" to show when we need to present solving rates again.
Everyone is happy.
@Chest Rockwell ? Canada is definitely not part of the UK. We have the queen on our money and other vestiges from that dominion but that doesn't meant we aren't fully autonomous and independent from the UK.
1 likeSource: Someone who lives in Canada.
More like lazy and bad
0 likes@Feroplays46 In Amsterdam cops often simply refuse to come show up at a crime scene (or an accident) or when a perpetrator of a known crime is located! Though in all honesty it also is often dispatch refusing to send them.
0 likesAt least it ended well alot of cases dont...I'm glad he got that fat 47k check
0 likes@Feroplays46 oh really? You have knowledge of police practices of all other countries?
0 likes@Tomáš Trmata can confirm. I'm an American expat currently living in Germany, I've traveled a lot in Western and Eastern Europe except in the UK, and the difference between police (and the justice system) in North America versus Europe is like night and day. Wrongful imprisonment is par for the course in the USA, but very rare in any corner of Europe.
1 likeAnd it makes sense, because in Europe, prisoners don't do hard labor. But in the USA, prison slavery is explicitly legal. When politicians whine about how expensive prisons are, it's all a farce: prisoners are a lucrative form of manual labor in the States, and are even used in call centers or as farm hands. This is why in the USA, they prefer having innocent people or harmless criminals in jail rather than violent ones, because it's easier to enslave and exploit a non-violent person. There are over two million people sitting in prisons across US territories, and I dare say that a sizable amount of them don't belong there. It's conspicuous that the prison population is so colossal, while criminals run rampant outside of prisons. Most rapists don't go to jail, and most murders aren't solved. So who the fuck are the +2 million peeps sitting in jail?!
Now imagine every cop in America.......
0 likeswhat a great comment 😂
0 likes@Stefan Vegsund It most certainly does happen in other countries, but America is almost singular in how much information the news media has access to; America is also relatively transparent compared to many other countries, so when shit like this happens it almost always gets reported on. Canada is similar, likely due to proximity influence from America and free flow of people and culture/information across the border.
0 likesWhile it's not seen as much in 1st world western countries, in many countries police and governmental corruption have landed a literally uncountable number of innocent people in prison or worse.
That isn't a reasonable position, considering it is a hard job and humans are prone to mistakes considering they aren't omnipotent, all knowing, gods. All being said, I still get it, it's easy to get mad at the investigators.
0 likesWelcome to Japan! Its dishonourable to be wrong when accusing someone so the imprisonment rate of arrested criminals is around 98%. Rarely if ever do you get out if arrested, especially if foreign, they are known to be bery unforgiving twoards foreigners that are accused of any crime
0 likesits way more complicated than that and you know it
1 like@pandoman Whoops!
0 likes@Feroplays46 you must never have lived in a third world country
0 likesmoney for everyone
0 likesAlways ask for a lawyer. Specially if you are innocent.
0 likesTitle of the vid is the mefjn TRUTH! I am fighting 2 seperate charges that are flat out not right. The first one the cop lied about a turn signal. System is disgusting.
0 likesOne of the best video ever created
0 likesThe Black Suspect got a $46K payday!! How can I get wrongfully imprisoned ?!?
0 likesPro tip, if a cop ever says “the evidence against you is overwhelming” then simply say “I’d like an attorney”
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It's best to ask for an attorney as soon as they start asking questions.
100 likes@Rej3ct _Conquer Better to appear guilty than to risk being found guilty. The police aren't on the side of the suspect, so innocent suspects should focus entirely on their own well-being.
61 likes@Rej3ct _Conquer Do you really think they will say in court, "Your honor, the accused asked for an attorney. Obviously he is guilty."
72 likes@notahotshot People who say that forget about the financial aspect. Even though a lot of countries give people the right to an attorney they may still charge for them. If someone is in a precarious financial situation and are a bit naive they may have more faith in the justice system finding them innocent rather than spending a bunch of money in legal fees.
13 likes@RRW ah yes cuz bills worse than jail
4 likes@Red Purps As I said, a lot of people have more faith in the justice system than they should especially when they know they are innocent.
7 likes@Red Purps In some cases? It can mean the death of you or a loved one, especially in America
2 likes@Red Purps If you can't pay, you don't get an attorney.
1 likeI think most people are thinking they can talk their way out of it. I don't blame them but it really screws them in the end.
5 likesSay, very clearly, "I want an attorney." Nothing more, nothing less. Look at the YouTube video called Do Not Talk to the Police, and the book called You Have the Right to Remain Innocent.
4 likes@locabynature That's exactly it. You assume that because police officers are just people, members of society, they must want justice and whats right to prevail.
1 likeUnfortunately, even if they do, it's not worth their time or effort to find the truth in a lot of cases. They'd rather just slap some cuffs on and get back to the office in time for lunch after all the other bullshit they've had to deal with their whole career..
@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies you're right. It's sad that it took another investigator to step in three days later to take a look at the "evidence". Then after that they only got suspended and demoted. what the hell? I know they're not all bad but they do try and bulldoze over us if you don't know the extent of your rights. the justice system needs some repairs because it's seriously out of order.
1 likeI would ask to see the visual evidence (such as the video) to see if im visible in it
2 likes@lonecourierjoeyV2 I was actually screaming that at my phone while I was watching it. 🤣
0 likes@RRW right, and the criminal courts are a conveyor belt and you have to fight
0 likesPay$$to get off it@lonecourierjoeyV2 me too and any other evidence that he has of course I'd wait for my attorney to get there first Michael could've walked out that night if he only would've demanded the evidence the dumb cop said he had. Sad
0 likes@Red Purps they actually would be for my family and many families, while prison means no devastating debt that could possibly last years lol
0 likes@Hoperandi skräpkonto In the U.S., just saying "Lawyer." isn't enough. The request for counsel must be “clear and unequivocal”.
0 likesYes that’s true. Also can’t you ask to see the evidence?
0 likes@RRW If you are innocent you can always sue the state or accuser to pay the fees.
0 likes@Kubomi And can you sue again to pay for the Lawyer you will need to win the lawsuit?
0 likesMichael needed more than that. He needs a medal and three times that amount.
0 likesIts anyone in law enforcement like them makes people not trust any of them!!!!
1 likeOh that ending piece of info was sweet.
0 likesClerk: "I was robbed by a short white man"
39 likesPolice: "Alright boys, look for the biggest black guy you can find!"
In the shadow of the USA's issues, we Canadians often forget we have serious racial profiling problems of our own. Videos like this remind me just how much work we still need to do.
Love your stuff JCS
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crazy
3 likesMe too.
5 likesJabrils!!! What's good my guy?? Another one of my favs!
16 likesAll the love @Chris D
17 likesCool to see you here!
3 likesTeach me ML
0 likesHey Jabrils!! Nice to see you here.
1 likeaggreed ♥
0 likesAgreed.
1 likeTf are you doing here?
1 likeWhat are you doing here mute man??
0 likesLol, it so funny I love this chanal so it's funny that you do to. I watch all of your coding vids.
0 likes@Jackson C Tf is he an upload creater?
0 likesJust need more videos is all
0 likes@Kohlenstoffisotop12 I cant tell if that's a question or not, but yes, what's weird is he makes Computer Science themed videos. The YouTube algorithm works in mysterious ways
1 like@Jackson C Oh, you can. : >
0 likes@Kohlenstoffisotop12 no no I really cant
0 likes@Jackson C But you could, because reason. xD
0 likesThis cop obviously doesn’t know the meaning of the word ‘paramount’.
0 likesI love these videos
0 likesif only i was mr beast, Id give justin a million dollars
0 likes"Getting a confession void of evidence is in fact excellent for an investigator's career"
1 likeThat's so fucked up. Something is seriously wrong with a system in which people are actively rewarded for punishing the innocent.
The first case pissed me off right away when the Detective just asks why did you do it, not where were you, what were you doing. Not letting him build any Alibi whatsoever to test for any forms of lying or uncertainty about his story.
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Oh wow
10 likesI think you handle it like a real professional
I think the attempt there was to get a straightforward emotional reaction out of a nervous guy either wondering why he was in that room or knowing exactly why he was in that room. Pissing a person off out of the gate occasionally elicits an unsolicited truth. Either way getting more than a vaguely circumstantial reference shouldn't be the goal; fact based evidence and verifiable witness testimony should be pertinent.
58 likesIts a form of reverse psychology to get the subject to feel guilt. Its a common form of interrogation
14 likes@IbroPlatin is this sarcastic?
1 like@joshi no I'm for real
2 likes@sam For too many police officers and prosecutors facts don't matter.
5 likesIt's a very common form of interrogation also known as "the interrogator's right to fucking lie to you" where they can straight up lie in pursuit of "truth".
18 likesIf they fool the guilty into believing they were caught red handed they can convince them that cooperation is the most profitable option for them.
Now, every person under the sun can see the problem, under this kind of pressure even the innocent may plead guilty in fear of the worst to come.
It's called positive confrontation.
1 likeThey put you in a room, in a corner, surrounded on all sides making you nervous as all hell. One way window on your right, officer to your left and your back literally to a wall.
The Officer will initially play nice ("You can leave this room at any time, just say and my colleagues will escort you out. Now, would you like something to drink? Coffee perhaps?") then after getting a rapport and a baseline (what the subject looks like when they aren't lying to you) flip into gently asking "Why did you do it?". The initial, unguarded response and how it deviates from the baseline might raise or lower the suspicions of the officer in front of you.
@Mitsaras Pop happens more than we think, but to some of us more than others.
1 likeIts cause they have zero proof it was him. He was just a black man, that cops saw near a crime. Cops dont care about getting the right guy, just getting someone to blame. Sadly, seems like the first guy has dealt with this shit a few times.
2 likesLegitimately dog shit investigative work, even if he was guilty. Like you can't possibly learn anything like that...
2 likesEspecially when the description didn't match and they had no physical evidence. The man accused he called their bluff and the cop just realized he had the power to do whatever he damn well pleased and arrested the guy.
Fr I’m glad they demoted that detective
0 likesMilitary in a nutshell. Guilty until proven innocent
1 likeDetectives should have a 1 strike your out policy
1 likeThat investigator is a clown. He should pay for putting him in jail. He obviously did no research.
0 likesDemoted and suspended.. good suites them right.. for not doing the ONE JOB THEY HAD as an investigater... you know like INVESTIGATE
0 likesI am Canadian/Ontarian, that "investigator" was a f**** disgrace. Being kept in jail for three and a half days for a person accused of a non-violent crime without evidence is utterly disgraceful.
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Pretty shocking, yup. He had a really petty and obnoxious approach and if someone like that was ever trying to interview me I would point out their bad attitude tell them I would not be saying anything to them. Get me another interviewer and I will happily speak to them. Same in any walk of life, if you come up against someone like that, just criticise them to their face and tell them you want to deal with someone else.
3 likes@Seven Sages My contention is with the unnecessary use of confinement and shackles for someone who was presumed guilty because the police needed to bring somebody in. If that were me, I would resist arrest and imprisonment.
1 likeI'm more upset about the guy who got falsely jailed for years, personally.
0 likessame, ottawa gang!
1 like@fireflocs I am more upset that the bearded guy was in handcuffed while being interviewed.
0 likesEveryone saying get a lawyer...... cant trust them either. They can feed prosecution plea deals by taking advantage of your ignorance of the law. Public pretender did that to me. Cared not one lick of what i had to say which wouldve dropped my charge down and convinced me a plea was my best option.
0 likesI'm never confident in the honesty of anyone named "candy"
0 likesJustice baby!
0 likesThis cop should be fired
1 likeHim calling out the interrogator's bluff is the best part
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So beautiful. I mean it was obvious to him that he was bluffing but him calling it out like that is so satisfying.
47 likesThe interrogator's demeanor changed almost immediately after that discussion. His level of confrontation all but evaporated and his confidence took a nosedive.
46 likes@JealousElephant I get the feeling of vindictiveness in that he decided not to corroborate the story. Instead, allowing the guy to rot in a cell for 3 days.
12 likes"The truth is paramount." The cop says after lying through his teeth for over an hour. ACAB
2 likesHonestly the best part for me was knowing the detective was suspended and demoted for how terribly he handled this investigation.
7 likesImagine being one of two people in a room and smelling something fetid, then having the other inhabitant tell you that you farted.
0 likesNice that they were demoted and suspended without pay. Nicest guy in the world and didn't match the description at all, and was held for 4 days? bs
0 likesWhere’s the other videos dude!?!? I watch them every night
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1 likeI hope the guy who got put in prison sued the police into oblivion
0 likesLove the outcome
0 likesNever talk to the police without a lawyer, they are not your friends.
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Be like Jeff
29 likes@vilkku "nah i only wanted a coke"
31 likes- Jeff
@vilkku No, do not say anything at all without a lawyer present. Everything you say can and will be used against you.
13 likesGenuine question. If Michael had a lawyer with him, would they have pushed the cops to investigate further, provide evidence etc? In short, would Michael have been locked up for 3 days if he had a lawyer present?
6 likesMrAnders0n91 most likely but the lawyer is there to make sure he doesn’t incriminate himself
5 likesNot everyone has a lawyer. Sometimes people feel like they can talk their way out of the problem. Especially when they are innocent.
3 likes@A71 i dont think he would have stayed the night if he got to talk to his Attorney. Im only guessing cause the cop showed little to no care about what michael had to say; except if he was gonna spill the beans
3 likesJeff is a God!
1 like@Jontae Grace I am 90% sure that they are required to give you a lawyer if you request one... A lot of people don't know this and that's what the problem is.
7 likesIm relatively pro police, and i agree with that
1 likeIf a LEO asks you "How are you doing?", your answer should be "I can neither confirm nor deny that."
2 likesIf a LEO asks you "Is the sky blue?", your answer should be "I can neither confirm nor deny that."
If a LEO asks you "Does 2 plus 2 equal 4", your answer should be "I can neither confirm nor deny that."
Jontae Grace facts!
1 likeI think the ones with no remorse who think they are smarter than everyone ( Narcissists... sociopaths), they will probably decline a lawyer because in actuality they dont know how dumb they sound and cant keep up with all of the manipulative lies.
1 like@VZ Gaming especially if youre guilty
0 likes@vilkku WHAM BAM THANK YOU FOR THE COKE
0 likes@Death Row Executions Are you aware of The Barbara Graham Case in which Barbara refused immunity? John True, who took immunity, the chief prosecution witness, made a statement he met her first on March 9th 1953, the date of the murder, and then testified he met her on March 8th - the date of the conspiracy he was at with two others ( Santo and Perkins ) who were convicted of the murder and executed with her and he walked free. The statement True made saying he first met her on March 9th was not produced at the trial. It surfaced in 1960. Nothing has been done.There are other issues such as the chief prosecutor claimed she confessed to pistolwhipping the victim until dead and the chief prosecutor's own witness,The Autopsy Surgeon, called to establish the cause of death said the cause of death was strangulation.True also testified Barbara put a pillowcase over the victim's head but in the statement not produced at the trial he said Perkins - not Barbara Graham - put the pillowcase over the victim's head. Perkins confessed to Edward S. Montgomery, Pullitzer Prize-winning journalist two weeks before he was executed " Montgomery, that ol' lady was never pistolwhipped. She was beat with her own cane. " If you want to read of this shocking miscarriage of justice it is outlined in Kathleen A. Cairns' book Proof of Guilt: Barbara Graham and the Politics of Executing Women in America University of Nebraska Press.True's allegation she was at the conspiracy on March 8th is disproved by this statement of True's and her innocence would have been proved as a fact in evidence before the crime, murder, if it had been produced at the trial. The prosecution had to prove she was at the conspiracy as it was necessary for the prosecution to prove guilt by proving Barbara had knowledge of the robbery and therefore mens rea - intention in advance to kill the victim if the victim was in her home when those who were the true conspirators including True burglarized it, in order to get the death penalty by proving they all had knowledge in advance of the robbery on March 8th. This element of intention of Barbara Graham, required to be proved by the prosecution, was erroneously " proved " by not producing the statement in which True said he first met Barbara Graham on March 9th (" I seen her, she was just a woman with Mr. Perkins " - the other conspirator with Santo and True - and Baxter Shorter - True said in the non-produced statement ), and without the statement in evidence, True's testimony erroneously" proved" to The Jury she had knowledge of the robbery at the conspiracy and therefore was at the crime. If the statement had been produced at the trial, the fact before the crime would have been that she was not at the conspiracy on March 8th and therefore the evidence would have been that she was not at the crime as it proved she had no knowledge of it in advance, therefore no intention to commit First Degree Murder - no mens rea - and as she did not have any knowledge at all she did not commit the murder. If the statement had been in evidence, the fact before the crime would have proved was that True was framing her as being there on March 9th - the night of the murder ( and the prosecution was also ). As the statement was not produced, Barbara was executed in 1955 for First Degree Murder. True had testified Santo put a piece of cloth around the victim's neck. And the cause of death was strangulation as proved by the autopsy Surgeon.
0 likesThat detective should be fired
0 likesThe guy being interrogated isnt always the criminal in the interrogation room.
0 likes5:20 I think we all know how the justice people treat black people in America, this is an everyday thing that you're accused of doing something you didn't do. it is not an anomaly at all
1 likeLoved that ending. Bad cops punished and innocent dude paid $46,000. True JUSTICE in the end. (For the benefit of those below who love to comment but not to listen: the dude who spent 3 DAYS in jail got the money.)
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only 46k for 2 years in county jail? that should be a fucking crime right there lol
2513 likes@Cam uhhh what... no. 46k for falsely accused and held with no investigation or followup
3183 likes@Cam he was held for 3.5 days
3922 likes@Cam The guy who was falsely imprisoned for two years got *NOTHING*. The 46k went to the guy imprisoned for three days.
3545 likes@petrol someone was held for 2 years, maybe it wasnt this guy.
46 likes@Cam you've mixed the 2 completely seperate cases shown here. Beardy white guy was held for 2 years over the crime he was interviewed for. Nothing is known about his compensation or status. Tall black well spoken guy was held for 3.5 days and the cops got in trouble, he was awarded 46k.
1146 likes@fireflocs PERHAPS nothing, we don't know that unless i'm missing something, right? He could be currently suing, or in some other process.
127 likes@hi 46k is pretty decent for 3.5 days. It's a shit ordeal but 46k covers it. Beardy white guy went away for 2 years for nothing, and so far we don't know if he got comp or not - chances are he's still fighting in courts for some kind of justice.
754 likesfireflocs I agree ! Full heartily !
5 likes@petrol yea i didnt watch whole video when i made the comment just based it off what i saw in comments at the time
13 likes@Cam absolute genius.
278 likes@Cam dont be argumentive when you didnt watch the whole video you pissing me off while Im trying get twisted off my cognac
259 likesOnly the tax payer loses here.
58 likesas most times happens
4 likesyeh - was a brilliant ending alright :)
8 likesThe problem with that civil reward is the public pays for it. The cops feel no punishment there. And if in Canada like it is the US, that money doesn't actually come out of the PD's budget directly. It comes out of a separate fund that isn't counted towards the PD budget. So the PD's that employ these corrupt and/or incompetent officers don't actually feel any pain themselves. They aren't forced to cut back their own hours or bonuses or extras or anything.
182 likesThe reward for the victim is 100% deserved. But what needs to happen is the rewards come out of the actual PD budget, and even more importantly out of all the cops' retirement funds and pensions of that department. That will cure cop corruption, lying, and lack of accountability faster than anything.
@Cam i think 46k for 3 days in in jail... i would say its a good deal
58 likesHe deserved much more.
12 likes@Jade Marie A million seems a bit ridiculous. It should be lost wages plus pay for trauma which is very hard to quantify.
13 likes@petrol Beardy served 2 years for a previous crime he did actually commit. The one he was interviewed about he was later found innocent in. He was falsely accused but deliberately so it wasn't entirely the police's fault.
101 likes@hi 46k is perfectly adequate for 3 freaking days. If you start awarding more than that, those departments will make sure NO mistake is ever uncovered.
40 likes(That's is basically exactly what happened in the USA in the 70's/80's, and look at the results now....it's hard to get out even after the real criminal confesses because the county wants to avoid the multimillion dollar comps). It's a delicate balance that most of the USA has already screwed up.
That stupid cop interrogating Michael only got demoted....he should have gotten fired. Total incompetence - a short white guy????? Did Michael look like a short white guy to anyone? Also, didn't Michael at one point 'sort of' ask for a lawyer? It was when the cop said he looked at the video and saw Michael on it. Shouldn't that have stopped all questioning?
119 likes@Cam 3 and a half days bro,, what 2 years are you talking about ?
7 likes@Cam no he was only held for 3 days
2 likesThanks for the spoiler....
2 likes@Jade Marie 1 mill a day is a bit much but I do agree. He should have been given 30k each day he was in prison. 30k x 365 x 2 years comes out to 21million
3 likesMichael gave him so many calm chances not to make that mistake.
12 likesThey should have been fired. But they only got demoted.
18 likesVery well deserved. Seem like an absolute nightmare knowing you are innocent, but being stuck in jail. Not knowing when you even get out. The mental agony is worth the money alone.
21 likesI would lose even the little bit of trust I had in the law.
@whatisbestinlife so true
2 likesIn the US the corrupt pigs would have been promoted.
3 likes@Cam It's cool! It happens to everybody at some point. I agree that the guy that spent 2 years should have a payout, too. No word on whether he did, but I would be willing to bet he received money, too. It should be well over $1,000,000.00 for those 2 years.
2 likesI wish he had received more of an award - $200,000. I really kept thinking the interrogating officer was going to say, they were just kidding with him and that they knew he was innocent and then let him go, but he was real suspect. Wow. What a shame. 💜
4 likes@K M Is that what he received for 2 years...$200,000?
0 likes@C J Hi CJ, No, I am referring to the first guy who only got $46,000. For me, that just isn't enough for what they did to him. $200,000 would have been a better settlement for his humiliation and possible scruffed up reputation. 💗
7 likes@K M Thanks for responding back! I agree with you on that. Government really needs to take it very serious to falsely accuse someone without evidence. I studied criminal justice and learned that many innocent people are imprisoned. It is partly due to our judges being more shorthanded these days, and running through case by case at a high rate of speed.
4 likesIf u get accused of a crime , ull sit in jail until your trail & then uv gotta go threw a trial & convince a jury u r innocent, & if u do , then ull be released, if u win in court, eventually, u could sit in jail for 2 years , even though u r innocent , waiting for court , it happens every day ,& nobodys getting paid for nothing, cept the lawyer on u r case
11 likesYeah, was wondering all along the video, if he would be compensated. I think 46K grants some satisfaction for those probably worst 3 days of his life. I mean, ok, we got that he was released but why should he suffer even minute of his life when he's innocent? And the detective was so pathetic, unlike those other detectives we see on this channel, he was a total joke. Starting with a bluff when he wasn't sure that suspect was guilty. He didn't have a slightest reason to be sure he was guilty beyond the fact that the guy was somewhere near where crime happened. Also, the witnesses definitely describing someone who wasn't looking like him and he still pressed on him ignoring the characteristics. Glad he was suspended too.
6 likesMerely demoted but still kept his job. Hardly what I call "justice".
18 likes460 000 u mean?
0 likes@muhsin bek Not even close to a "good deal" when you consider the damage to his personal reputation. Not everyone knows (or cares) that he was falsely accused. It's like the retractions newspapers regularly have to print after making false claims about someone. Most people will never see or hear about a retraction, same as with this guy. Most people will go away thinking he did it but somehow got off. You're just seeing the money without considering his reputation.
18 likes@Jack Jacket the white guy in the video was falsely imprisoned for two years, I think he got them crossed up
2 likes@petrol Unfortunately the White Guy was in America. The black guy was in Canada I think, but certainly not the U.S. That's the reason.
6 likesFinally a happy ending
0 likes@Ash B jesus, also having to adhere to restrictive bail conditions for nine months before prosecutors withdrew all charges. ouch
10 likes@Vika Jorjadze he also had to (according to the news article) to adhere to restrictive bail conditions for nine months . If he worked in trade shows. Probably meant he couldn't travel.
5 likeshow bout some spolier alert bro
1 like46k is nothing. Not even half my salary rn + losing job + public shaming
7 likes@Thai Tran damn, that's so unfair
1 likefireflocs because he didn’t take them to court, and the lady lied, not the police.
0 likesJustice huh
0 likesDude justice? $46,000 is NOTHING he could have been Free and had sex and had love and kids and had a job that paid 2-5 times more. Anyone who thinks $46,000 is worth it hasn't been to jail. Even 1 hour drives u crazy
6 likesI was like wow!
0 likes@Cam 3.5 days not 2 years.
7 likes@Jade Marie that doesn't cover it for me.
0 likes@Max Hyde i think they’re going off of that one guy who sued for a mil for each year he served, it’s ridiculous that they weren’t guilty and were punished... 1 mil seems more than fair lol
2 likesYeah im so sick of the bad cops always giving their titles bad rep. Because if you look in the comments here, everyone is going "OMG ALL COPS ARE BAD, NEVER SPEAK TO THE COPS" and its such a shitty attitude to have. People arent smart enough to know that theres always bad people in every job position. Its not a cop problem, its a human being problem. Unfortunately the few bad cops are all people ever hear about these days because theres a narrative being pushed that police = bad and its just not true.
3 likes@Travis Ryno do you think they already make sure crimes they commit can be uncovered? Also to the guy saying he was falsely accused but it was deliberate... that’s a terrible argument that doesn’t make it ok, just because you commit a crime it shouldn’t be ok for police to make up stuff to get you in
1 like@Y F They do arrest the bad cops. If a bad cop breaks the law, they get arrested. Law enforcement is NOT above the law like the media and ignorant people says they are. Most of the time they're fired/suspended, then they go into investigation/court where the judge deals with them.
1 likeAmazing how keen some people are to comment, but how slow to listen. Only 2 dudes in the story - they clearly told us which one got the money, but still too confusing for some.
16 likes@fireflocs the difference is, one guy was in Canada, the other, America
0 likes@fireflocs both isn't true justice like what the comment was going on about. both is equally unfair, just that this is less unfair
0 likesLoved that ending too!
0 likesCam they said only 3 and a half days
1 like@petrol
0 likesWe aren't here to compare. 46k is not enough for putting someone through the traumatic experience.
Some innocents go to death row and die. Are you going to use that to excuse shitty compensation for others?
petrol correct, but one thing to correct you on. Beard guy had a past record of 2 years that’s unrelated to the case, but was indeed real and not false. He was however about to be falsely in prisoned for 20 years if they found him guilty.
1 likeSo the innocent dude paid the cops 46k? That's terrible man.
1 likeKopie no the cops paid the innocent man 46k
1 likeAlthough I'm sure that money came at taxpayer expense. Those "detectives" should have been fired. People get fired from other types of jobs for far less serious mistakes all the time.
1 likepetrol All of y’all have poor listening skills, the narrator stated that the (ginger bearded guy) already spent 3 years in jail for a previous crime he already committed. He even edited his video to state it was 2 years not 3. So the narrator was showing emphasis on his behavior of innocence because he was adamant about “not going back” because he didn’t do anything. Showing that his behavior was warranted. Nothing over the top for the falsely accused. Open your ears
2 likesIt may seem like a lot of money, but as someone who spent a little while interested in things like the Innocence Project and seeing things like this, it’s really not. While it’s good that there is financial compensation for these poor souls, there is so much that the money doesn’t cover, especially the lost years of their lives and their public reputations. Even if you’re proven innocent, there’s a stigma held around you by many of those who knew you were imprisoned
0 likesI just looked up the case and the arresting officer has since been promoted to chief and refuses to admit he was wrong in this case. I don’t know if that’s true justice.
0 likes@Run a yep. in some places, just speeding while out on bail will get you sent to lock up
0 likesSpoiler alert thanks 🙄
0 likesTo everyone arguing, the white guy with the beard was exonerated in his trial because the witness was caught lying multiple times. The tall black guy was held for a few days and was paid $46K.
2 likes@Kevin w Yeah...that still is better imo....it's about principle; you do what you can without harming the innocent.
0 likesTwo things though:
1.) It never would be so many as a million criminals freed to prevent one innocent's conviction....because way more cases than that have hard evidence (and multiple pieces of it), while almost all false imprisonments come via circumstantial evidence.
2.) Whenever somebody is exonerated despite appearing very likely guilty, there is a proportionally extreme awareness by, and response from the public.....which, supposing the accused actually was guilty, not only provides a decent amount of safety to the public via the attention, but also ensures that he/she will be very easily caught for even the slightest future offense...which almost always happens with a criminal-minded person. (OJ Simpson comes to mind on this one....)
No way that's true JUSTICE. if it wasn't for the other investigator he would be in prison. True justice would of been the 3 investigators lose their jobs, because he would of lost his. and they should of been civilly sued. and put in cuffs. They are liars. and should not be wearing a badge. how many other innocent people are in prison because they were to lazy to do their jobs. they could care less about him. they seen a way to further their career. instead the tax payers paid for their laziness. That would be true JUSTICE. until these dirty cops are personally held accountable. it will continue to happen.
1 likeThanks for the spoiler
0 likesPut a spoiler alert dude
0 likes... only 46k
0 likes@Robert Gonzalez thanks, it's not like he doesn't know that by now after the 100 hundred people already commented this before you to tell him.
1 like@Cam 2 years? What
0 likesGuys, it's Canadian kopecks, he got like $100 U.S.D.
0 likes@climberis1 good point but what if innocent man's annual salary was less then 25,000? Then 46,000k for 3.5 days doesn't seem so bad, 🤑
0 likesEduardo Martinez I realized that that was for the guy who was only jailed 3 days. That’s my b. That’s okay
0 likesEduardo Martinez still bad because it is a permanent mugshot
0 likesThat guy was way too level headed when being LIED to
0 likesThose officers only got demoted and suspended!! What they did was obstruction of justice and giving false statement. In other countries these cops would of been jailed.
1 likeHe should've got 80,000
0 likes@Cam no, the guy that spent 3 days in jail got $46,000.
1 likeGreat ending but he was way too nice about it. I respect the police but that cop was a c**t
1 like46k for 2 lost years of life is a fucking bad deal.
0 likesSpoiler alert.
0 likesOutrageous that guy for 2 years should have got millions.
1 like@Cam 46k for 3.5 days in canadian holding facility awaiting bail hearing, all cops demoted and suspended WITHOUT pay.. because thats how we do in canada unlike the US.. 46k for 3 days (because he probably lost his job) is not terrible
2 likesDeserves more than 46k. I'd feel better if it was 500k.
0 likesNot enough! But it’s a start! I want that dirty detective gone
0 likes@Cam 3 Days not 2 years.... You are confusing him with the other guy they used as an example..... I'm not sure if that guy sued..........I would hope he did, but knowing the Justice system, because he had a prior charge.....they probably used that against him which would be absolutely unconstitutional.
1 like@petrol i would definitely go to a holding cell for 3 days for almost 50G's lol.
2 likes@Kopie no. Was paid $46000
0 likes@Phantom a small minuscule charge is usually applied to law enforcement. Worst case scenario is that they get fired and pay a fine. If they actually go inside of a jail or prison they'll be released on behavior after a minimum amount of time served. Unless they murder, they do not get a book thrown at them.
0 likesthe baldy guy seem like very educated person from the way he speak. for sure he got good lawyer and know his rights.
0 likes@AupriProductions preach
0 likes@fireflocs im pretty sure the white guy got in prison for 2 years but that was when he actually did a crime but that clip of him was when he was innocent
0 likesNot an even punishment my man
0 likesThat's the answer I was looking for. Although 23k doesn't seem near enough for an innocent man.
0 likesThat relieved me soooooooo much you can not possibly imagine.
0 likesPoor guy was just polite and nice and wanted to do the right thing and help them by giving a statement at the police station and what do we have here?! He goes to jail?!?!Why?
I hope he did not have a bad time in jail or detention in the police station. 46 000 $ is a nice sum for 3 days. I would like to trade 3 days for 46 000 $ haha but then again it depends what type of jail they mean. There are different types of detention "blocks" or "places". The police station has one. There is one before trial. There is the real real jail like the movies. I do not believe he got sent there so quickly. He was probably kept at the police station. I really hope. Real jail institutions are rough places.
Huge relief that he got out.
@fireflocs canada my dude
0 likesBut you know that man is more assertive now. Fact
0 likesNot good enough, they ought to be fired and imprisoned, that would be true justice.
0 likesgood
0 likesI’ll let you guys know what I get out of Dakota County in MN. 9 days in jail for two crimes they knew I didn’t commit AND HAD GPS LOCATION FOR MYSELF THE WHOLE TIME. In and out of court, they dropped the case on the first day of TRIAL. Not the preliminary hearings, TRIAL. They pushed and pushed thinking they would get a plea. I didn’t do shit, so I was ready to take it the whole way. Spent TENS OF THOUSANDS on legal defense, the whole fiasco also prevented me from joining the military as they no longer wanted to take me after what they’d heard from the police. Went through MEPS, was about to be sworn in. Had to sit for 4 hours while they opened an investigation into me over some high school (that I never even went to) rumors. At trial, the DA asked the judge to dismiss the case right out of the gate. I’ll have my just desserts, and if I don’t. Well, let’s just say that’ll be a surprise 💯
0 likes@Cam Yeah.. the cops kidnapped him & locked him in a cage
0 likes... and justice for all
0 likes@Cam what’s up with you dude? Where did you get this number from? You’re mistaken just like this investigator.
1 likeNo, justice would’ve been the police officer doing his job correctly, or getting thrown in jail for prosecuting the wrong individual. Leave this poor guy alone.
0 likesbecause canada not the US.
0 likes@fireflocs he wasn't falsely imprisoned for 2 years but for the crime he committed when he was in his early 20's. Did you watch the video closely enough?
0 likes@petrol he wasn't falsely imprisoned for 2 years but for the crime he committed when he was in his early 20's. Did you watch the video closely enough?
0 likes@Cam.
1 likeAfter reading the comments... I just realized how many people did not pay attention to the video... 😂😂
3 likesNot nearly enough money
0 likes@Ruroo C Yep. So many people have super confidence in their opinions, but really don't listen to what is happening. Explains a lot of what we see in the world, doesn't it.
5 likesThanks for spoiling KMT
1 like100k a day for blatant wrongful imprisonment is fair imo. Like the 6'3" black guy they arrested cause the little white guy got away. Thats just nonsense
0 likes@Cam wrong guy and time. Im sure the bearded man that was held for 2 years got nothing because it was in the US.
0 likesOnly in Canada do they care about innocent harm they cause. Never in America
0 likes@Cam you got it wrong. He was in prison for 3.5 days. The dude accused of assault and burglary was in jail for 2 years. (What i understood)
1 likeYou know, it's not justice at all. That 46K won't change your PTSD. It takes years to get back to 'normal'.
1 likeYeah I was gassed up when the ending happened. I still feel bad for those people that aren’t so lucky who get pinned for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or just accused and convicted
0 likes@Max Hyde Dont forget that the dude probably had a job, and could’ve earned over a million within a year.
0 likes@petrol He spent 2 yrs in jail, not 3.5 days. Did you actually listen to the video?
0 likesThat’s less than a year’s salary. What an injustice
0 likesThe Canadian way, don't know why it's so hard for the U.S to punish cops.
0 likesYES! This is exactly what I came here to say. This is one way to get the police under control. If they are held responsible for their malfeasance, their behavior will improve.
0 likesCmon, that isn't even minimum wage for 2 years
0 likes46k for 3 days and some experience i would do it xd
0 likes@Rubey Cherry man was only in jail for 3 days 😂. I do feel bad for the others who aren’t that fortunate though
1 likeYou can't take solace in something that rarely happens. For every case that is "adequately" resolved, 1000s more remain wrongfully ruined for life
0 likestrue justice if they had to pay with their own wage, those 46k, not with the taxes of everybody.
0 likes@AupriProductions It's not that there is some policy in place that requires the state to pay you some small amount if you are falsely imprisoned. You are making that sound like something it's not.
0 likesAssuming you are suing the state:
You take them to court in a civil suit and if you win the case, they are required to pay the amount as ordered through due process. Failure to pay the can result in the state paying post-justice interest on top of the amount owed. As the creditor the the debt, you can also put in an order for the court to seize property from the debtor (the State) for non payment.
You can also order an examination hearing which will required the state to prove why they are unable to pay the owed amount by allowing the court to go through all of their assets and finances in order to determine where the money shall be pulled from in order to pay the debt.
@whatisbestinlife Well yea, because you are not suing the police department, you are suing those who direct them and provide them their budget.
0 likesWhen you sue a government entity, you sue their highest local authority. If it is a city police department, you are suing the city. If it is the County Sheriff's office, you are suing the county. If you are suing highway patrol/state trooper, you are suing the state.
As someone that watches state, county, and local meetings across the US and Canada for a living, I can tell you matter of factly that yes, a lot of Police Departments DO lose funding when things like this happen simply because money is not infinite and it must come from somewhere.
Many of these Cities run their budgets very tight and they don't just have 50k to shell out to people because they were wronged by the police. Now, the department wont typically lose out on the entire expense, but they will definitely see a dip in their budget for it. And yes, I watch all of the budget hearings for work, too and they do discuss these things in detail in their budgets.
3.5 days is pretty low. It didn't even go to court, so it's not like he got wrongly convicted of a crime or anything.
0 likesnice spoiler
0 likesyeah!
0 likes@Cam Fuck yeah it should! I make $35,000 a year and that's just enough to keep above water. He should have been given $250,000 minimum!
0 likesHe should've been paid more, but we gotta start somewhere. I understand mistakes will happen, but this is just one of those things that CANNOT happen, and if it does, it needs to be severely, SEVERELY, punished. You don't just fuck around with lives like that.
0 likesBlack lives matter. Justice for all.
Where’s the justice for breonna Taylor’s
0 likesThe POLICE department that made the arrest should pay. The problem is we, the tax payers, are the ones who end up having to shell out for their errors.
0 likes@Ryan T. Tax payer loses either way, more if they are locked up for a year or two.
0 likes@Faster Jay he probably wasn’t cherry popped, what an exaggeration.
0 likesYes
0 likesNot sure I loved that ending unless the individual did.
0 likesWhat a trauma to go through and was the payout worth it?
@Cam 3 1/2 days. Don't know where you got 2 years from.
2 likesThanks for spoiling the video
0 likes@petrol he wont get anything because hes a ex con. he cant even vote or get a job at most places. shameful system.
0 likes46K is not nearly enough
0 likes@whatisbestinlife No, it would not cure corruption. It would punish a whole department for one person's actions, which is not fair. Kind of like how Minneapolis will be rebuilt and repaved with tax payer money of people who didnt riot or damage any property. Not like our taxes go toward anything useful anyways, look into when federal income taxes were implemented. Ill give you a clue, it was to hell a depressed economy go to world war.
0 likes@Run a So what? He is making bank. Lock me up then.
0 likes@Cam 3 days, not 2 years. That was the guy in the middle.
0 likes@DJScuff edJays It's absolutely fair when the police department themselves refuses to hold their own accountable. Not just refusing to hold them accountable, but actively blocking accountability and actively protecting abusers and murderers in uniform.
0 likesPolice are given an extraordinary amount of privileges to infringe upon the rights, health and even lives of others. And they are given the benefit of the doubt when doing so, in spite of the reams of evidence of them systemically abusing these privileges.
Police MUST be held to the strictest and highest standards of total transparency and accountability. And that includes holding accountable and punishing all those who protect the evil-doers in their own ranks.
Since police have proven beyond a shadow of any doubt that they will choose to hide and protect and enable the evil, immoral and illegal in their own ranks they must then have the necessary accountability forced upon them.
@whatisbestinlife Internal Affairs does hold officers accountable in a lot of counties, cities and states in the nation. You are arguing as if all cops are dirty, or even as if most cops are dirty nationwide. Metropolitan areas have historically had the most police corruption and coverups, and all of those dirty cops served under the supervision and authority of a higher ranking dirty official. It's easy to throw a few badges under the bus for the big fish, but then you dont really see any change. It's also not a broad band aid fix, what might work in NY wont work exactly the same in any other city so it will have to be a department by department evaluation and action. They are not given privileges to infringe rights, they are given tools to enforce the law and those tools get abused sometimes. It's also about the hiring standard, won't find many dedicated police officers if you cant or wont pay them well.
0 likesYeah doesn't always end up that way.
0 likes@DJScuff edJays
0 likesYou can have one cop do a bad thing and nine other cops not do that bad thing but not hold him accountable.
That's not 1 bad cop and 9 good cops. That's 10 bad cops. They are betraying the trust they have been given.
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Cops are often overpayed. They're often fed overtime hours to do hours where they stand around doing nothing. It's part of the corruption.
Cop budgets are bloated beyond any reason and morality. They take up vast amounts of city budgets while other programs get cut. Then cops are given the responsibility to respond to situations they shouldn't be to justify it. There are many, many situations our poorly trained and armed and low-educated police forces should not be responding to. Yet they do to justify their bloated budgets.
US cops have laughably low bar for entry, and scant training. Many other nations (whose cops kill vastly less people) actually require years of schooling and training specific to policing. US requires a few weeks. They actually often don't want higher educated and more intelligent people. They want officers with lower education and who don't question anything.
Cops do not deserve the bloated salaries they often get, along with the corrupt overtime hustles.
Our policing is fundamentally broken.
@whatisbestinlife I wouldnt call $45k a year overpaid... That's like teachers salary but instead of students you are the one who shows up to crime scenes. You say the 9 others are bad, but what do you expect them to do? They are not the district attorney, who usually decides when to or not to prosecute. Sure other countries dont have cops kill as much people, but they dont have the crime rates we have. Particularly violent crime rates, which is a product of low education and crime culture. What calls should police no longer take?
0 likes46k? That could’ve cost him years of his life. Should’ve been at least 100k and the investigator should have received a large fine and jail time.
0 likes@-l No Nonsense l-...well the white guy was in a situation where the WITNESS swore he did it. The other case we're the police locked up a random BLK guy w absolutely no evidence.
0 likesAs long as cops had no reason to know the victim / witness was lying.
@Beverly Charles lol I bet the order came straight from Trump too right? Everything is WaYcIs!!!
0 likes@-l No Nonsense l- Highly doubt it. Trump nor most judges give a damn about right and wrong UNLESS it affects them staying in power or their favorite daughter or something similar.
0 likesThanks goodness for THAT judge, a lot of judges take cops side as law.
That bearded guy DEFINITELY would win an award from Candy. He should definitely sue Candy for all her pole money.
@DJScuff edJays There's cops who earn 6 figures.
0 likesI expect the 9 others to do their jobs and live up to the privileges and trust given them, which is to hold criminals accountable including their own. More importantly, their own. The very act of you posing this question should stop you in your tracks. You are justifying police departments actively protecting and enabling murder.
@Beverly Charles my comment was pure sarcasm, thanks for the response though.
0 likes@whatisbestinlife Most of the time, even when there is outrage or riots, the killing is still justified or it's not actually murder. Like Brionna Taylor, that wasnt the cops fault. Maybe a swat team officer or a chief makes 6 figures, but your patrol cop does not make 6 figures or anywhere close. Tell me, do you feel like the police are your enemy?
0 likes@whatisbestinlife by wanton are you referring to the charge brought on the officer? Because that was for shots that went through the wall into the other apartment, not for any that hit Taylor. She was not asleep during that shootout, contrary to popular belief. Her name was on the warrant, she was not an innocent bystander. What happened to her was sad and a tragedy, especially when it wasnt her fault that her boyfriend decided to shoot at the police who identified themselves as police very loudly and clearly. "Cops are enemies of justice if they choose to be" Criminals are enemies of justice, some criminals become cops and some cops become criminals. At the end of the day, you cant expect to just say "all cops are bad" because they are individual human beings behind that badge, each with their own personality and past and intelligence level. To do what you are doing here is an injustice to those who have dealt with corruption etc, because you arent using any forms of examples or causes of issues or even a resolution, you are just complaining. Complaining is a part of being complacent, its an excuse to not look into how to solve the issue yourself or how others (those in power of the individual police departments) could help. "more training" doesnt cut it, specify training in what and how that can be safely implemented. Instead here we are, you calling my words bullshit because i dont hate all cops.
1 like@whatisbestinlife "them" you want to group all police into one specific cookie cutter mold of the boogeyman, when reality does not match that at all. Indoctrination isnt something i would bring up, since the news shines a bright light on very small events to stir up unrest and drive a political narrative. Police do not make bank, just google police salaries for a patrol officer. Look up how grossly underpaid correctional officers are. Police are NOT trained at all to kill first. You are just spewing easily disprovable nonsense at this point.
1 like@DJScuff edJays Mate, you've lost touch with your own humanity to defend murderers. I know the charges against the cop and they are bullshit. He should be up on manslaughter charges at the minimum.
0 likesThere are endless examples of cops abusing their authority, abusing people and outright unjustly killing them. Endless examples.
@DJScuff edJays I know you won't bring it up, because it illustrates how grotesquely corrupted and immoral police training in the US has become. You are so weirdly intent on protecting murderers because they wear uniforms you attempt to deflect away from how they are systematically indoctrinated to become callous towards and encouraged towards killing.
0 likesAgain, it should be a national scandal that any police department ever hired that unhinged lunatic to train it's officers, much less multiple departments along with a hordes of cops attending his cultish seminars.
And you attempt to deflect away and hide all of it. That's how corrupted the knee-jerk defense of violent US cops have become.
@petrol He should have ended up with everything those involved owned. Everything.
0 likes@petrol WHAT ABOUT WHITE PRIVILEDGE?!
0 likes@petrol It's too much for 3.5 days. Even in a workers inconvenience his job could be restored. His life had to spiral fast if 46k covers a 3 day imprisonment.
0 likesNothing than can compensate 2 years.
0 likesI am so so SO glad to hear that ending. That detective was out to RUIN this man's life. Locked away in prison for years, relationships ruined, damaged, job lost, goals left behind, ambitions spoiled, reputation tarnished. Truly fucking evil despicable filthy piece of shit. Yes I am livid, at how a man with the power to ruin another mans life willingly went full throttle to try to accomplish that.
0 likes@Cam You have the listening skills of a three years old.
1 like@petrol its not a shit ordeal, it's nothing.
1 likeI didnt get $46k when I was arrested on a 3 day weekend and the DA declined to file charges
@fireflocs The guy who did two years in county was in the USA: got nothing.
0 likesThe guy who did 3.5 days was in Canada: got $46k.
Use your vote wisely.
What later happened to the white guy !!! i mean, he sounds black, but still white anyway
0 likes@Charmingly Cynical "Because it's the UK"
0 likesWhy don't you actually watch the video before you comment?
for sure. i just hope the dude didn't suffer too much in jail, which would turn this kind of into a positive thing. i just really wonder what's up with the detective. if evidence wasn't strong combined with the demeanor of the suspect, why is he acting so sure of himself? either he's a moron that thinks he's got some kind of amazing super power senses or he has some kind of prejudice against the poor guy. mistakes can happen but that wa disturbing to watch.
0 likesI've spent three days in jail because " i got a mouth" charged with a bunch of shit then released and the cop told me he did it just to teach me a lesson and he knew I didn't do it. All I did was deny the charges and that was me "being disrespectful".
0 likes@fireflocs Sounds like it must be here in the US.
0 likesIf I had been this interrogator I would have found this suspect to be telling the truth. As a viewer no doubt of his innocence.
0 likes@Cam lol this is why guys have to edit their posts and write "for those who don't watch the video and comment beforehand" because of people like this who somehow get 855 votes for talking out their buttocks <3
0 likesLOL... ouch... this is why it should something like... 15$ a hour for every hour that a wrongfully held or falsely accused person is held. Then there would be pressure to get things done right. To pay attention to details... to gather evidence and ascertain facts... three days would only turn out to be a 1080$ in this case... but the professional conduct and procedures would cause better investigations and thorough fast determinations of facts.
0 likes@petrol Im not trying to say anything, but its probably an issue on the race of the person, "2 white officers arrect a big black buy for robbery" The fact that the profile was to be a small black male and the arrested was the rather, it would literally be the a BIG disaster
0 likesSpoiler alerts..lol
0 likes@Zoltan Barti I think you and I are the only two that understood this video. Bearded guy previously served 2 years for a robbery he actually did commit which is why he could have gotten so much time for this false arrest. If found guilty of the fake crime his sentence would have been harsher for a repeat offender. Thanks! I thought I was going crazy and hearing things because I clearly heard the narrator say what you said.
0 likes@Cam the irony is you FAIL miserably:
1 likeFor the benefit of those below who love to comment but not to listen:
@Cam lol where do you get “2 years in county jail” first of all this was in Canada and second he spent a few days in the bin.🤦🏻♂️
1 like@Mikel Hawk and he’s a detective now and a director of the Police association. That shitty cop even wrote these words: “More disturbing, however, is a public perception that is quite the opposite. The public generally be- lieves that police are well-equipped and more-than- able to keep up with workloads. This is often perpetu- ated by mainstream media, which generally reports with a left-wing, anti-police bias.”
0 likesThe cheek. Not surprising in the least
@petrol justin, which is white guy, wasn't in jail for 2 years--he was going to be in jail for those years but he was found innocent beyond all reason. maybe I'm getting my information wrong but I don't remember hearing him being in jail for 2 years.
1 likeThe difference between the RCMP and many US cops is there is stringent personality testing and requirements to become one. Many have post secondary. It is considered a good job, pays well and there is constant training in regards to protocol, law, de-escalation etc. When I was younger, I gave the cops way more problems than they gave me. Out of dozens of interactions with them they always handled themselves calmly and professionally. I was a bit of a twat though. This is why that outcome occurred. Cops that don't meet these high expectations are punished.
0 likesOnly in Canada.
0 likesIf America, death on the street or 30 years sentence.
@Cps Inc that's what your mad mind thinks, the truth is far from what you say.
0 likes@Cps Inc also how is it the cops fault all the time? It's the eye witnesses too.
0 likes@Kevin Sykes how did this have to be about races? LoL what you gonna say too? The detective is racial profiling? 😂
0 likes@Y F you forgot eye witnesses.
0 likes@Operator Jewski No, I just called them white guy or black guy b/c too lazy to get their names. The guy who did more time and didn't get no compensation was in the U.S. The guy who spent like 3 days or less in jail and received all those racks was in Canada. Goes to show how broken the justice system is in the U.S.
0 likesHate to tell you the implications of being arrested, charged with a crime and imprisoned for any period of time has much further reaching life altering consequences. Could lose your job, and be branded a criminal in the court of public opinion. Please also take into account that this Police Offer shows a continuous pattern of ILLEGAL behavior that cost one man 2 YEARS. So spare me that $46k is somehow proper compensation. The Police Officer Should have been Fired and Charged with False Imprisonment and easily convicted.
0 likes@MotoTacular Life Your enthusiasm to express your opinion surpasses your ability to listen or read. Maybe try again.
1 like@Girl Idk You need to fix your grammar before calling anyone illiterate, but likely you don't know what the words means.
0 likes@Girl Idk Actually, there is quite a lot wrong with your grammar, literally. Show it to your school teacher on Monday. Run along now.
1 like@petrol Well that depends on what happened in jail....
0 likesThey’re all back on the job.
0 likes@petrol 1k is worth 3.5 days. 46k is just overkill.
0 likesI'm Canadian. The fact like cops like that are on the job in my country is deeply troubling to me. I always knew we weren't exempt but damn... At least they got some repercussions for their absolute negligent treatment of that case and the wrongfully accused person received some compensation. I find it horrifying that incompetent cops like that are on the job. It NEEDS to change.
2 likes$46,000 is so reasonable. In the US lawyers go for "mental anguish" & millions. It always backfires by making law enforcement belligerent & even worse at their jobs. Because most people can't wrap their head around a million. $46,000? Instantly understandable. Good cops don't want time & money wasted
1 like@fireflocs that is horrible. I wonder if they vacated the conviction? Or just let him out. Because a 2-time felon has very little chance at getting real jobs or even a place to live.
1 like@AupriProductions They should pay whatever wages the person lost, or if not employed then minimum wage for the whole time - plus enough to put down on first/last month's rent & deposit, if they lost their car then help them replace it. I mean DUH
0 likes@petrol Bearded guy was in county jail for 2 years for a crime he did commit.
1 likeThe interview we saw, he was proven innocent, didn't went to jail.
Your comment is missing verbs which is likely the reason why it seemed unclear for the readers.
0 likes"Bad cops WERE punished and the innocent dude WAS paid ..."
Without this verb it sounds like he HAS payed 46 k dollars ... anyways, the magic in languages and grammar...
@Braria It is not the comment that was misunderstood, it was the video. In your rush to impress others you missed the point that 14,000 people didn't miss. Congratulations.
0 likesId do time (3 days) for 46k.
1 likeIf the guy would have just told the police officers i charge you 100k per 24hours spent in lockup and got that on record. 😏🙃
0 likes@fireflocs okay that’s better but shit still
0 likesi'd spent a whole month in jail if they gave me 46k :D
0 likesit’s like being in a reality show, topic: jail time
0 likesIdk about true justice because the money came from taxpayers and not the guilty cops. And I dont think the punishment for the cops fits their crime. They stole 3 days of an innocent mans life, lied to him and tried their damnedest to make him think and feel like he was a criminal. All that happened to them was basically an unpaid vacation and a demotion? With time, the money lost and the rank lost can be regained but he will never get rhose 3 days back and god forbid it went on his record. At the end of the day justice was served sure, but idk about TRUE justice. If it were truly just he wouldve never been put thru that in the first place
0 likesdamn i would be willing to go to jail for three days if you gave me 46k LOL
1 like@Zachary Green the cops should have done double the time in prison it is for trying to frame an innocent person.
0 likesThis in a very sad case study in how disinformation car spread. Look at yourselves, people. The amount of people who STILL aren't reading comments and watching the end of the video to find out that the guy got 46k for 3.5 days and not 2 years is very depressing. All you had to do was watch the video you commented on or read the comments that came before yours!
1 like@awesomeferret If I actually cared about this story I would have watched the video until the end and read the comments as well.... however, I simply do not care. But thanks for the correction either way, bud👍 No worries about the spread of disinformation on my behalf... I won't repeat something if I don't know what I'm talking about.
0 likes@Cam yeah I think it’s unfair to give a certain amount if he wasn’t behind bars he could’ve potentially made millions more you never know. Maybe if he wasn’t in prison he would’ve gotten himself a high paying job. Anything could’ve been possible
0 likesCops should have been fired , not demoted....
0 likes@Charmingly Cynical why are there so many just flat out wrong comments in this thread? It was Canada. He got 46k for being incarcerated for 3 days. One guy is deep in the comments complaining about spoilers? Fuck
0 likes@awesomeferret this thread is especially frustrating
0 likesI'd have to agree with the dude about being dissatisfied with the process.
0 likes@AupriProductions not to mention families who rely of them for income, like wtf
0 likesWith inflation. That's like 75k in today's money
0 likesThis is a great example of how us prison inmates are just cash cows & everyone involved in making sure people doing time benefit from the conviction. The one's that don't benefit are the victim, the convicted, and our communities take a big hit.
0 likesThis does need to change, no sentence say reform. It screams your punishment fatens my wallet, but we tell you we're teaching you a lesson in a way that you'll return to us conviction after conviction.
bad cops should have been arrested and spent 3 days in prison, exactly as he did.
0 likes@Cam omg, you made 1k idiots believe he served 2 years when he was only held for 3 days and paid $46k!!
1 likeDUDE I WANNA BE WRONGLY DETAINED FOR 3 DAYS AND PAID $46K!!
EASY CASH DOG!!!
@petrol Thank you!! THESE PEOPLE ARE SO CONFUSED AND ARE MIXING THE FACTS UP!! YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE CLARIFYING IT FOR THESE FOOLS!!
0 likeshappens far far less that way. the vast majority of the time the innocent parties spend the full sentence in prison.
0 likesNo justice was done. The taxpayer paid. Tell me any other circumstance where a completely innocent party pays for the misdeeds of another? If i rear end a guy on the road, my neighbor doesn't pay. But cops get an out. It is such bullshit.
0 likesSpoilers..
0 likesWhat about the white guy who got imprisoned for 2 years
0 likesDon't think he got enough justice but I understand, the the officer was punished is at least a win.
0 likes46k for 2 years in prison is far from enough
0 likes@whatisbestinlife best analysis. Those who speak of the injustice of the Us justice system should focus on how and where the money goes.... that trail always leads you to some sort of solution that actually makes a difference.
0 likesJust looking at sentencing isn’t an answer; the problem is that the multi-pronged problem isn’t looked at (or perhaps it is but seemingly isn’t currently) as such; it is being oversimplified and categorized as something it isn’t.
Money rules the world. We used to know this in America- in the 90s at least (shout out to C.R.E.A.M. 😁)
After how long ago? Seems like it takes years for sentences and payments
0 likesIt's a good story and ending, but there are guys who spent YEARS in jail and and are either still there, or were released and were given nothing!
0 likesthe bad news is, us the taxpayer pays for the incompetence
0 likes@andy klompenburg Ugh. You're not wrong :(
0 likes@Cam Not 2 years, it's the other guy. I am amazed how you got so many likes with misleading comment lol. Better make correction by including EDIT:
1 likeOh man I would GLADLY sit in jail for 3 and 1/2 MONTHS for 46k. Lol. I wish I would falsely accused. 3 days in jail for 50 thousand dollars... that's awesome.
0 likesthe other dude got 2 jails in prison for nothing and you loved it, k buddy
0 likes3 days in prison, but 9 months on parole. Plus being a black man forced to miss work and tell his boss it's because he's being accused of robbery.
0 likes@petrol Very off-topic, but how is that guy black?
0 likesI’ll do three days in jail for 46k shit
0 likes@petrol If you think it took zero effort and no extra time to pursue the 46k in punitive damages then you're in for a shock about just how expensive and long the legal process is. It's not 46k for 3.5 days... it's more like 46k for 3.5 days wrongly incarcerated +3.5 YEARS in court.
0 likes@Travis Ryno I don't get how you can function on so few brain cells, the legal process to get that 46k most likely took years and lots of upfront money. I'd say 46k was a grossly insultingly small amount.
0 likes@Cam it was the guy that was in jail for 2 years it was the guy who was in a cell for 3 days that got the $46,000
0 likes46k is still very less, I guess it was 2003 so it was ok. But the cops should have been fired, this British reject in Canada, should definitely be fired. Outta here with that BS investigation.
0 likesO Canada!
0 likesThe beard guy spent 2 years in jail for a crime he DID commit and the footage was of him being falsely accused but not jailed. He was so afraid and angry because he had been there before.
0 likesjust write "got paid $46,000" and your message would have been clear
0 likeswas paid...
0 likeshe should've gotten at least 100k imo but at least he got something
0 likesThis video had a refreshingly satisfying ending to it. You truly love to see it!
0 likes@Cam ummm hear me out you guys. Did anywhere or anyone in the video say that he spent two years in jail for this current offense? Because the way I see it, the only mention of “2 years in county” comes right after the narrator saying he had previously served time. The “two years in county” is also preceded by an asterisk. A common way to insert a revised statement. So maybe the two years is in reference to his prior time. Not time served relating to this incident. Am I wrong, did I miss something? Or has somehow the entire comment section missed this ??
0 likesI was thinking the same thing man. 46k might not seem like a lot but wrongs were righted and it wasn't too severe in either direction. That shit never happens in the US.
0 likes@Cam No it was 46k for two days in jail it was the softly spoken guy that got the compensation.
0 likes@Cam 3.5 days*
0 likes$15k/day ($625/hr) sounds good I might want to stay for longer at that rate. Especially if the food is good and I have a cell to myself. Being sarcastic but kinda not... ;)
0 likesThe guy who spent 2 years in jail WAS guilty! Then he was later accused of a second crime, that he didn't commit, and was almost wrongly imprisoned. Did we watch the same video?
0 likes@Cam I love how this person:
1 like1. confidently (and wrongly) correct people, When she hasnt paid much attention to the whole video.
2. When pointed out that she is wrong, just went "Oh yeah, but someone does spend 2 years". True, but OP wasnt talking about that.
3. Got tons of likes on her (wrong) first comment. People are sheeps 😅
@petrol beardy white guy was in prison before the interview are you guys brainless?
0 likesThat cop shoulda been fired. Im glad he got his money though. He didn't deserve to go through that
0 likesthinks he's nailed on for promotion. gets demoted. noice.
0 likesThat is not true justice, those cops will just be placed at a different precinct. Nothing has changed in the end and the system is still fucked
0 likesFrom what I have read here. For $46K for 3.5 days in Jail I would sit in jail happily even if I have done no crime but Once a criminal record gets stained on your life or documents its difficult to get a dream jobs. For spending on life and family 46K is nothing if you don't have job. So no sitting jail is not good if you are innocent.
0 likesSo Canada is still slightly better in terms of criminal justice system, than US... Cool.
0 likes@Sharishth i totally agree with u. remember he was taking a bus? Now he has the money to buy a brand new car
0 likes@C J the issue you people don't understand is that the guy spent 2 years in jail for a crime he did do and the interview in the video is of a different crime that he didn't commit and didn't go to jail for
0 likesPaid from, tax payer dollars through theft of income
0 likesThis is the least, $46,000 and free parking and free from traffic/parking tickets for LIFE!! NOW THATS A GOOD DEAL 😎😎😎I understand these police depts need the tax money to keep real criminals off the Street, só that is what I would ask for
0 likes@David T Speak for yourself bro. I've been to jail for something dumb, only had to spend 2 days and I was free to go and I would definitely do that again for 46 grand lol.
0 likesJust one happy ending out of thousands imprisoned unfairly so not sure how good we can really feel.
0 likes@petrol that's how im hoping my case case i was wrongfully arrested for something I did not do. Cops arrested me on my lunch break after pour a driveway for the company i own. I was held for 30 hours. I had to replace that job on my own dime. Cost me $6000 and hurt my business.
0 likesEvery innocent placed in prison for a charge they didn't do should be paid. I've read of some that haven't and that's fucked up
0 likesNext to 3 days in jail, Michael was also forced to comply with a very restrictive bail regime for 9 months before the prosecution dropped his charges!!!
0 likesAlso bear in mind that most employment contracts require you to notify your employer when you get charged with a criminal offence so they can fire you immediately...
Not enough if you ask me.
0 likesThat's a years wage for some. He lost 2 years of wages, plus all the court costs. The emotion and psychological distress etc.
I feel like the edit could have just been adding a simple was in front of paid. 🤔
0 likesBut perhaps people like the drama.
Policy Enforcers need to have Personal Liability Insurance and Body Cams so, THEY are held PERSONALLY and FINANCIALLY responsible not the City with our Tax Dollars.
0 likes@Zoltan Barti FINALLY somebody has the facts straight
0 likes@Cam cam you don’t pay attention to shet huh? I bet you sleep in class don’t you?
0 likes@Cam lol even if he was imprisoned for 2 years, that’s 23k/y I’d take that anytime
0 likesThe prosecutor in botched cases should serve double the time that they gave.. at a bare minimum.
0 likesThe second one is truly heartbreaking.
0 likesI'm Illinois the DOC and county jails get an average of over $100 a day per inmate so anything short of 36k a year and the facility still profited off of incarcerating the innocent.
0 likesNeeds at least 500k
0 likesShit dude plays it cool and ends up scoring 46k for 3 days work. Probably did better out of it than the dude that actually robbed the place and got away with It
0 likes@petrol He wont get it. Its pretty fucked up how the justice system can just lock someone up even if their innocent and not have to pay compensation.
0 likes@fireflocs No one in this video was falsely imprisoned for 2 years. The 2 years in county jail were for a prior robbery conviction.
0 likesThat money comes out of the tax payers pockets. Not arresting officers, not the wrongful accusers.. us.. it comes from us.
0 likesThat's Crazy.
0 likesOn the the hand, Japan has a ludicrously high conviction rate because they knowingly jail innocent people to keep their prosecution looking like Superstars.
0 likes@Chance No, Corey. They have a 99% conviction rate because they don't prosecute unless they have an airtight case. Don't repeat nonsense you see on the internet, you embarrass yourself.
0 likes@TheJapanChannelDcom the nonsense on the internet is your propaganda. It's absolute fact Shouji Sakurai was innocent and he wasn't the only one.
0 likesIt's public knowledge how intense their interrogation tactics are and their cases are "airtight" because they force confessions. You can't lose a trial you never go to because you mentally tortured an innocent person into confessing. Go ahead and post the numbers about how many cases end in confession. It's not feasible their investigation leads them to the right person to interrogate 99% of the time. Don't deny this like Japan denies What really happened in Nanjing.
20:28 "The interrogator and three other detectives were demoted."
0 likes😂 😂 😂
I do not believe that. I believe everything up to that point, including the cash settlement award, but not the discipline for the COPS. That just doesn't ever happen, in either the US or Canada.
If they did their job and assumed innocence that 46k could’ve gone somewhere useful
0 likes@Cam the second guy was in for 2 years
0 likes@don keyballs You are absolutely correct. Shameful system.
0 likes@David T Good thing it was county jail in the U.S. Some of those places are hell.
0 likes@redoaksix Umm no it's 46,000
0 likes@Eddie Monquisal How ironic
0 likes@Seiphert nope
0 likes@Ross J MacGregor I am losing braincells from reading comments like yours
0 likes@hi Has anyone ever asked to falsely incarcerated?
0 likes@Jah Sounds about right when you're incapable of any degree of comprehension. Your brain struggling a bit eh?
0 likesDamn dude your channel is cool
0 likesi'd take even half that money for 6 days. the guy deserved more for being such a nice soul.
0 likesAnd who do you think pays that money?
0 likes@Kevin Sykes the reason for what? Your comment makes no sense.
0 likes@K M 46k for THREE DAYS is more than adequate. That's like an entire yearly salary, and probably tax free.
0 likesThe issue that needs to be addressed is people who end up getting locked up for years and only get pitiful compensation when they're released.
thx dude ur cool
0 likesFunny how you celebrate the black guy getting off and paid but say nothing about the injustice the white man had to go through for two years LOL says a lot about what and who u are 💯 preach on Tyrone
0 likesThat's not justice.
0 likesThey should have paid out more for how horrible it was handled and how much of his life was destroyed.
3 days in jail can lead too.
Your community shunning you.
Your job firing you.
You having an arrest on your record so the likely hood of getting a job diminished.
3 days in jail can ruin your life.
He should have lost his job, seriously!
0 likesHope that cop got fired. What a waste of taxpayers money
0 likes@fireflocs The man who stayed in prison for 3 days and recieved compensation lived in Hamilton, Ontario, a stark difference between the justice system in America. Depends on the state though.
0 likes:)
0 likesYea our money
0 likesThe robbers probably made off with less than that.
0 likes@petrol Canada is slightly better I guess lol 😆
0 likes@Doc Hollywood why does it matter? You're paying taxes either way and the guy who got 46k was Canadian. If you're not Canadian then don't worry about it lol
0 likesThank you for commenting this m8.... you’re a g for this
0 likesWhat about the dude that spent 2 years
0 likesI love that!
0 likesYeahhh...what about the guy who went away for YEARS
0 likes@Cam Damn, your inbox was getting absolutely shattered
0 likesIf getting falsely jailed for 3 days gets you 46,000 then please falsely jail me lol.
0 likes46K of your tax dollars =). Welcome to America
0 likesHe should have gotten way more than that!!!
0 likesA stolen day is priceless. Unacceptable. A dereliction of duty by our "justice" system to gather the facts and prove guilt.
0 likes@Cam The guy who 46k only spent 3 days in jail. And the other guy spent 2 years in jail IN THE PAST FOR ANOTHER CRIME. He didn't do any time for what he was interrogated for.
0 likes@fireflocs The guy didn't get falsely imprisoned, he spent 2 years in jail IN THE PAST, for another crime.
0 likes@fireflocs Did you even watch the video? I cant believe you got 1.9k likes, it literally says in the video "the girl was caught lying" and that he "was proven innocent beyond all reasonable doubt." wtf? i cant believe everyone thinks he did time..
0 likes@petrol Bro what? In the video he literally says "the girl was caught lying IN COURT" and that he "WAS PROVEN INNOCENT BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT" He served 2 years IN THE PAST, for ANOTHER CRIME. Jesus.
0 likes@Cam pay attention better.
0 likes@Cam 3 days
0 likesProbably 80% of that was used to pay for legal fees
0 likesFireflocs, black privilege.
0 likesWhat needs to happen is the cops who put people in jail without justification are put in jail. Not “demoted and suspended without pay.” Boo hoo. You PUT AN INNOCENT MAN IN JAIL.” SOMEONE JN
0 likes@Angelino, they should be put into jail for the same amount of time, and double the time if it's under a year long
1 likeHello I don't know what happen here keep scrolling
0 likeshell to the fucking yeah
0 likes@Zoltan Barti he already served the for previous crime though. Didn't the video say that?
0 likes@Ash B And that points out it wasn't just the three days, restrictive bail for 9 months before they dropped charges. Suddenly the award seems way too little (especially with the 8 year delay!)
0 likes@Cam no someone like that gets compensated like 2 Million dollars.
0 likes@fireflocs Probably because the guy who spent two years in jail was from the US.
0 likesThanks for your information, I was a bit worry
0 likes@whatisbestinlife the officers were punished too
0 likes@Cam you'd be surprised, a guy who was in jail for almost half his life got $5000, he was innocent
0 likes@fireflocs WAIT WHAT???? HE GOT NOTHING??????
0 likes@John Three16 I can’t agree that 6 days is adequate in this case. I think it needs to be at least one month if they were just incompetent, a year or more if it’s clear they knew he was innocent.
0 likes@AupriProductions Should be minimum $1 million a year for false imprisonment.
0 likesInnocent dude *got paid $46K.
0 likesHahahahaha. The trauma he got from being wrongly accused worth the 46,000 dollars? Come on man. Those days that he was on jail, poor guy must be thinking he'll be punish for something he didnt do. Suspension is not even enough. Those investigator should be fire.
1 like"Loved that ending" - just know that it's taxpayers money. It's not that funny to pay for public employee's mistakes.
0 likesWas paid would make it clearer btw in case you wanna change it
0 likes@João Peixoto Joãozinho, I referred to "mistakes", in plural, so I am also speaking for other cases similar to this one. But yeah, thanks for not thinking like me, next time stay on your lane espertalhão.
0 likesBlack guy and White guy both innocent. Black guy spends 3 days in jail (eventually paid $46,000 for it), White guy spends 2 years in jail and gets nothing...
1 likeComments: "oh that poor black guy, i'm so glad he got justice finally" (again, 3 days later, paid $15,000 per day in jail)
I'd rather have the bad cops' heads on display at my house, instead of taking their money.
0 likes$46k is a lot of money but I wouldn't not want to go thru the same experience. Imagine being in jail 3 days expecting to be wrongfully imprisoned.
0 likes@Cam no… 46k for 3 days LMAO u needa watch the video
0 likesthat isn’t justice. the system is still in place
0 likes@fireflocs are you talking about the guy with a beard? in that case, he wasn't imprisoned for 2 years
0 likes@petrol they said beardy was released because there was a lot of holes in the other persons story
0 likes@petrol beards also had a jacket so that explains why it was harder to prove his innocence. The black dude was just racially profiled
0 likesLol I wouldn't mind being wrongly accused and chilling in a cell for 3 days for $46,000
0 likes@Mikel Hawk Reputation damage should really also include some associated lost prospective wages. He could very easily run into situations applying for or jobs or loans where he has to divulge being accused of a serious crime, and especially as a person of color he could even face situations where implicit racism makes an interviewer or loan officer decide to play it safe and reject him despite the settlement in his favor. Same thing could well happen with a rental application, a condo board.
0 likesTBH I think race also should factor in to the compensation for being falsely accused, because enough people have enough racist biases to make it reasonably likely it'll hurt the victim's income or quality of life later.
@Ryan T. Tax payers lost when the administration hired silly police officers.
0 likes@Max Hyde 46k is nothing. Its not only the 3 days in jail it is the mental strain put on him due to this nightmare.
0 likes@Jaime T. That's why I said plus trauma
0 likesIt's amazing how many people in this thread can't read, are incapable of listening, can't seemingly concentrate on a paltry 20 minute video and/or decide to post a comment without even bothering to watch the video at all.
0 likes@Ryan T. the guys that went to prison also lost, but at least one got 46k out of it
0 likesHow is that not a fireable offence lol
0 likesThey should have had him as a possible witness not a suspect
0 likes@petrol hmmm sounds racist? O wait it was the white guy that got jail for 2 years and no money out of it.
0 likesThat 46k needs to come out of the cops pension not taxpayer dollars.
0 likesyes
0 likes@Bernard Silver Yeah 8 years to rectify that situation is ridiculous. I feel bad for the guy, I hope he's managed to move on from it without too much emotional/psychological damage.
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0 likesbad wording moment
0 likesUnfortunately the tax payers footed that bill. The LEO's kept their money and jobs.
0 likes@whatisbestinlife the problem with taking victim compensation out of a specific police departments budget is that it incentivises their colleagues and bosses to cover up for them to avoid losing that money.
0 likesSadly he got the shame to go with it.
0 likesRemember that one time you got stripped of your freedom, clothes, thrown in jail, lost your job and your dignity,.. good times!
oh yeah here's a couple bucks for your trouble and all the psychological issues you'll have in the future
Did they catch the little white guy?
0 likesHe buyed bitcoins in 2010 and now he is billionaire
0 likesGuess he was a step ahead of the game
0 likes@David T the two most important things in this world; freedom and sex
0 likes@Ruroo C fr 😂😂
0 likesThe only injustice is who had to pay out that 46,000 for those shitty cops mistakes. That's right, you, the taxpayer.
0 likesIts true, the ending put a huge smile on my face!
0 likes@fireflocs canada vs usa
0 likes@AupriProductions whats more upsetting is how prosecutors often have evidence that would show the innocents but ignore it going on their hunch that the person is guilty and then they never want to admit to being wrong because that would miss up their conviction record.
0 likesnope, the money was from tax payers lol
0 likesProsecutors should be held accountable for putting innocent people behind bars as well as detectives coercing innocent people to be guilty.
0 likesSomeone replied a comment about “ending” before even watching the whole video. Man, they’re not that different as those bad cops.
1 likeTheJapanChannelDcom
0 likesAnd the dude who got two years, and said all of those sad things, didn't... That feels bad.
@Cam 3 days
0 likesDude, your comment is just wrong. With that wording it means that the guy who got imprisoned had to pay the money.
0 likesWe miss you JCS
1 likeThis cop and all those involved should have been fired, sued personally and charged with kidnapping and rights violations (whatever they have in crappy Canada).
0 likesDang that guy was calm. I would tell that cop to get the f*****g tv in there and play that f*****g video.
0 likesThis is why I hate this idea that if you accuse someone of something, and they act defensively, that it's indicative that they're guilty. If you were accused of something you didn't do, you're telling me you would be fucking calm?
0 likesCop: *breaks eye-contact*
6338 likesMichael: Weakness disgust me
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He showed who was more dominant in the situation
134 likes"How dare you look away from me peasant"
184 likesThe power of the quiet kid
68 likesDisgusts*
11 likes@Dankjungle421 ayyy
0 likesImagine being an introvert god being able to make eye contact? Is this the power of the god? Is this our potential as introverts???
42 likes@jose ppi Introverts are not shy, they are like viewers with a low sense of presence but will inevitably step forward when needed, especially when it comes to their own lives...
42 likes@sasa margareta I'm an introvert and this is wrong, I just don't think me speaking would matter and I would be ignored
5 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer I think that has more to do with a lack of self-confidence or pessimism rather than being an introvert.
27 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer Eh, both are introverts
1 like@Cryterion 🤣🤣🤣
1 like@jose ppi us introverts shall rise
0 likes@Just a Cat Inside a Pumpkin. And from an introverted analytic to boot.
0 likesImagine being the beta cop to an alpha nerd.
@｡*♡ 𝓶𝓮𝓵𝓸𝓭𝔂 ♡*｡ lmao didn't think people would find it that funny tbh
0 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer That's like saying "I'm a psychopath, so I know everything about psychopaths". Introversion is a spectrum but shyness is not necessarily a trait of an introvert but rather preferring to be alone. Introversion is a matter of projection of personality, extroverts push their personality out and they're the center of attention. Introverts don't put them out
6 likesHe’s so badass
0 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer yeah but you dont speak for all introverts, you can be an introvert who happens to have no self confidence like yourself, or you can be confident and simply chose to observe. Just because you belong to group X and have a certain trait doesn't mean all of group X shares said trait bruh
1 like@jose ppi This is the power of controlled anger. Trust me fellow introvert, anger is a useful feeling if used right. You can transform it into extreme determination and thus improve performance. or turn it into confidence. I think one of introvert's main weaknesses is not knowing how to use anger. I used to either suppress it entirely or lose it in blind rage.
0 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer well you just have to have a little confidence, so what if they ignore me because my voice is too low?? I'll keep repeating the same line over and over again until they hear me and give me an "you're annonying" look 😂
0 likes@AGeneric_ _Gamer and I think you should help yourself more, what if one of your classmates slanders you for stealing their school money and you just keep quiet?? this happened in the real world and my own experience lol i'm usually quiet and don't like trouble immediately grab a broom at the back of the class and beat up those who slander me and spread rumors until they cry, we ended up being detained in the principal's office, the principal ordered me to call my parents, I called and complained about what happened, then I told my parents to dress as nice and expensive as possible, wear suits and dresses, wear gold rings, gold necklaces and gold bracelets, drive our expensive car to school, just to show I'm from a rich family. well that was one of my rather bold, naive, and arrogant experiences that i remember to this day. it's just a relief, rather than me just being silent.
0 likesHe has a young Raymond Holt vibe.
0 likes@jose ppi being an introvert doesnt mean youre shy. im an introvert but people find me intimidating.
0 likes@sasa margareta It was a joke.
0 likesThe officer sounds so proud over nothing and it makes me cringe
0 likesThis is agonizing
0 likesI love a happy ending
0 likesI hope he sues this police department.
0 likes"i'm innocent"
4596 likes"That's exactly what guilty people say!"
good detective work.
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That’s also what innocent people say
312 likesEspecially in Among Us
91 likesIKR and it's not fair to the innocent...
20 likesVote @LLX ! out he accused me for no reason
6 likesSay you're innocent, and you're guilty
30 likesSay you're guilty, and you're guilty
Catch-22
Among us 101
3 likes@CommanderGuy Say nothing if your guilty right? One knows when one is guilty not everyone lacks discernment knows when a person is lying. "Cock Roach Motel" where they can check in- but can't check out including the two legged kind. Peace & Blessings
2 likesMe: "What you said is exactly what a GUILTY person would say."
2 likesInternal Affairs: "He got you there, detective."
If I am really innocent, I must say that I am guilty. Nicely
1 like@Legatus cap cap cap, i saw you vent in medbay
0 likes@The Three Nerdy Musketeers No I was in admin
2 likestruth is.............. innocent people ~DO~ say they are "guilty" ...when asked by cops
3 likesPROBLEM IS..... they are not "GUILTY" about the things the COPS are accusing them of
...that's what happened to ME. .... I'm innocent, but once you admit ANY form of guilt .... you are SLAMMED with everything........ when you were NEVER Truly Guilty ...at all. (if cops would just be HONEST and straight with innocent people... innocents would not wind up punished, but they treat it like a game) INNOCENT truly totally innocent people.......... are too damn straight & trusting (assuming the police officer is doing the "Right" thing) my behavior definitely fell under the "Atypical" variety .... I did Not fit any common mould. (so was unjustly handled) My motivations were atypical / and unlike others of the "type" they usually handled.
He doesn't see race. Only guilt
0 likeskinda sus
0 likesthis is little kids on among us
0 likes@Basilisk reverse psychology failed successfully
1 like@Legatus I saw him vent
0 likes"I'm guilty"
0 likes@Glitch so two people said I vented in medbay but I was never in medbay, electrical, or security
1 likeWhat do you think the real innocent people say?
0 likes@Ann An you do realize that’s sarcasm right
0 likes@Glitch You are right. The police treats everyone as criminal.
1 like@Basilisk then they'd arrest you, cuz u just gave em a confession🤷
0 likes@bird dude Yup
0 likesReminds me of "if you float you're guilty and if you sink you're innocent."
0 likes@The Devil Strigoi *,...,* The Salem Witch Trials and the religious hysteria surrounding dark magics is where that came from. People like to think of themselves as rational or they think with logic and reason, but we humans are susceptible to our biases and emotions more than we like to admit.
0 likesI hope he sued the everloving crap out of them.
0 likesA year later the oath breakers are still at it.
0 likesI’m utterly disgusted at the police’s willingness to destroy an innocent man. Here are cases where the suspects can easily be ruled out and the officers have no interest or care in doing so. This is as evil as it comes. The violation of trust is horrible. Truly horrible.
1 likeso what I don't get is does it make you look more guilty /ruin your case /get your wrongfully imprisoned by answering questions short, to the point ,consise because you know you did nothing wrong so why not answer. Or to say nothing because you know you did nothing wrong and know that it will be used against you when the time comes and to get an attorney. or to remain calm like the first guy who was super calm and confident because on his case "getting a confession void of evidence somehow is great for a detectives career? and not illegal ? and the detective " has nothing to gain from looking at evidence? wtf like wtf acftually did i just hear ?
0 likesReally not a fan of that whole "we already know you did it" crap in interrogation. Things like that can intimidate innocent people into false confessions in order to receive a lesser charge/sentence. Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure I read an article that had details from multiple cases of exactly that. If the goal is a justice system that treats suspects as innocent until proven guilty, that should extend to law enforcement interrogation.
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The best interrogation I've ever seen is un the movie 4 Brothers. Just shows detectives want to close a case and are shady as fuck... and I like the cops
12 likesDetectives want a notch in their belt. They have NO incentive to exonerate anyone compared to being party to a conviction.
67 likes@Dies Irae nonsense. If they are proved to be convicting people falsely they will receive discipline and potentially lose their job.
6 likes@rafer Jefferson iii Yes, but no detective gets rewarded for bringing in an innocent suspect and confirming that they’re innocent. The goal is to get convictions, and if someone is rewarded for convicting people they’re going to try to convict people
53 likes@Lilac Rain you can’t convict people without evidence
3 likes@rafer Jefferson iii In a perfect world, yeah. People get wrongfully convicted all the time though
55 likes@rafer Jefferson iii Were you born last night? Or do you really not keep up with what happens in the justice system? Innocents get jailed A LOT. Some even earning huge payouts because of the fact.
28 likes@rafer Jefferson iii millions throughout history have been convicted without evidence, or with fabricated evidence and false testimony, or given absurd charges and sentencing that greatly exaggerates the crime in question. It's particularly easy to do to the poor.
13 likes@Eye Conqueror do you have evidence for that? 😉
1 like@M J generally, if you’re not an asshole with no previous criminal record, and you don’t hang around with criminals, your chances of being wrongfully convicted are about nil.
1 likeIf you are a criminal or hang around with criminals, chances are much higher.
Rogue cops most certainly try to fit people up.
You tend to find those who are very skeptical of police are this way because they’re either criminals, or they sympathise with criminals.
By and large the police aren’t going round shooting people for fun and fitting people up.
Also, a lot of the cases of wrongful conviction are due to a total mistake by police in terms of who they think is guilty. They decide it’s person x
@rafer Jefferson iii that's a very black and white world view you got there. Says more about you than the world around you tho.
22 likes@etherealessence ah, I see. I’m not just wrong, I’m a baaaaaad person.
0 likes@etherealessence OK student debating team
1 like@rafer Jefferson iii and responding with snark is more mature how exactly? Me thinks you're projecting.
13 likes@etherealessence snark? I didn’t mention snark, you mentioned snark. Says a lot about you.
0 likes@rafer Jefferson iii guess i stuck a nerve lol.
11 likes@rafer Jefferson iii Let me guess, suburban college kid? Because boy (or girl, who knows) you have no idea how ugly the justice system really gets. Take it from someone who's been on both sides of that bloody table, some of it borders on psychological torture. (Of course not every detective and interrogator, but a fair share of them). Also, if you are trying to partake in a debate, replying to counter arguments with elementary school level rebuttals isn't the way.
5 likes@Sebastian B. I am not in the US so I neither went to an elementary school neither did I go to college. I left school at 16 having started school at 4.
0 likesI have been arrested twice. 2 of my friends did time inside, both were guilty of what they did.
The police with me, each time, treated me fairly and gave me 2nd chances. One was a motoring offence (driving a motorbike drunk on public land - NOT a road so I thought it was ok but apparently not!) and the other time was assault, which was basically a fight but I also had false allegations added into the mix.
I am no stranger to any of this.
Things may be different in the states but here, if you are respectful towards the police and don’t act out with them, they tend to treat you fairly and the people I know who hate the police are either, ironically, college kids who buy the whole “police brutality” thing last year or otherwise, petty criminals who always crow how the police have it in for them, when the only reason they have issues is due to their actions.
Just as in "the olden days" where cops woul beat a confession out of a suspect (have no doubt that still happens at times in some countries) which can easily lead to a false confession, in the same way that torture to extract infomation has proven to not be very useful.
3 likes@rafer Jefferson iii It is the same here with the beat cops, but don't presume to know what kind off mindfuckery does or doesn't happen in an interrogation room unless you've been on either end of the table..
0 likesi did exactly that at school and got suspended for a week. my choices were: confess something you didn´t even know what it was and face 1 week or face dropping out of this school completely. it´s a no brainer what to take then if you know what type of humans the "accuser" and "investigators" = teachers were. at that point in time i didn´t know what else would follow... like police coming to my home, loss of friendships, loss of teachers trust and they actively seeking to get me out. i dropped out finally and whenever i tried to roll up the case and prove my innocence they said: but you confessed? why should someone confess when he didn´t do it.
4 likesi can only imagine how often this happened when police took someone and told them: 10 years jail or 3 years and confess it!
@rafer Jefferson iii You're not in the U.S but you feel qualified to argue about the American justice system as if the same rules as your own applied?
5 likes@Marcus Fellinger The exact same thing has happened to me, only I refused to "confess". ...That was until they brought my mother in to force me.
3 likes@rafer Jefferson iii It is literally said in the video that detectives who get confessions in cases VOID OF EVIDENCE get advantages for their career.
2 likes@rafer Jefferson iii your white bias is showing
1 likeya I dont like that either. If citizens can be charged with lying to law enforcement, it should also be true the other way around.
1 likeBro it's guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to America
0 likesThe issue is that as we've seen from this channel, it can be an effective strategy for making sure people who did the crime are put where they belong. But if the false positive rate goes up because of the strategy ie innocent people are put in prison for a crime they didn't commit, it's not really worth it. It shouldn't work for people who didn't do it. If you tell them you have video it should let an innocent person know they have nothing to worry about. The video can't show them doing the crime. But this could backfire, though it's not likely. Micheal acted exactly as he should have acted. The other guy as well. Though, if the Making A Murderer Case is to be believed, Brendan Dassey was forced into a false confession when he may not have committed the murder. So feeble minded people could be gaslit into believing confession is the only way out of conviction. I'm torn on this method
0 likes@Dies Irae well, if they are seen to be misleading then that falls apart. And you can't apply that to all cops because many want the right person to go to prison. Your statement can't be proven and is only likely for some subset of cops. Knowing how this case ended, few cops would take the risk. The case still has to go to trial where the detectives work will be on trial.
0 likes@Yours Truly It is true that it can and does work, but the stated ideals of our justice system is that it is better for a guilty man to go free than for an innocent man to be falsely imprisoned.
1 likeSo, while it is effective, the same effect could be achieved by simply calling out inconsistencies in their story, revealing facts about the case that show that law enforcement know what's up, and god knows how many other ways.
All that matters is that the suspect knows that their lies aren't being believed. That can be accomplished without directly calling them a liar or saying "we know you did it".
What's more, it has been shown by studying the success rate of various interrogation methods that the confrontational approach is WAY more likely to make someone clam up than it is to elicit a confession.
The best approach is through establishing report, creating a (moderately) calm atmosphere, and by playing subtle mind games with the suspect to lower their guard.
@Yours Truly nice try. except, no one is saying ALL cops are like that. I know myself, I take a nuanced view on it. There are lots of good cops out there doing things the right way for the right reasons. However there are also a lot of bad cops out there looking to close the case quickly or they just think they know they're right and try to build a case around the conclusion they've already arrived at. So tell me, how exactly is that a black and white world view?
0 likesYou're making a false equivalence from a position of complete ignorance.
@rafer Jefferson iii nothing you said changes the fact that there are people who are wrongfully convicted without any evidence because the cop lied to them and coerced them into a confession to benefit himself
0 likes@Crazy Carl Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't understand the people that confess out of fear. Then again, I'm also a former military cop, so I guess I wouldn't really be the type...
0 likesBut some people are straight up terrified of law enforcement, because all they ever hear is the bad shit. A cop that does their job well almost never makes the news.
@Your Auntie’s Little Secret your indoctrination is showing.
0 likes@Your Auntie’s Little Secret someone who just used the term “white bias” telling someone else “you don’t know what you’re talking about”
0 likesErm….LOL
@Your Auntie’s Little Secret ah, I see, so you’re sourcing your ideas from documentaries - specially selected stories from people who think like you, to support your own worldview.
0 likes@rafer Jefferson iii This is truly an opinion of someone who didn’t finish school.
0 likes@Your Auntie’s Little Secret I finished school. School ran till 16.
0 likesI then did 2 degrees as an adult.
On another point, why are you straying from the subject to ad hom? Anyone might think you’ve got nothing to add and are instead seeking other measures.
they did not treat that first guy fairly at all. you should never be that forceful and upfront like that from the jump, saying that “we already know you’re guilty so we just wanna see what kinda person you are” when you have legitimately no evidence that he was the suspect. the description didn’t match, you lied about the fucking surveillance cameras—there are just so many wrong things with that interview, and i’m so glad that the ‘investigator’ got what he deserved, as well as the innocent guy.
0 likesthe officer interogating michael was a total amateur
0 likesNo one with a beard groom that good is a bad guy 😉
1 likeThe title plus JCS made me think this was going to be about the Japanese criminal system
0 likesWhy you should NEVER talk to police without a lawyer, even if you're innocent.
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But if you are innocent and telling the truth, there's nothing that you can say that will incriminate you?
13 likes@JT1989 Wrong.
422 likes@Your Name Here how can you incriminate yourself if you only tell the truth?
3 likesJT1989 u may slip up. U can misremember due to the pressure, or just because ur memory is hazy. The police could poise questions meant to have u answer a certain way.
177 likesWhat if you're a witness?
0 likes@Not A Strange Person true but how does a lawyer help? Your still going to slip up. He can't predict what your saying and stop you from saying it...
0 likesESPECIALLY if you're innocent
28 likes@JT1989 Go watch 'dont talk to the police' by regent law university, it will help you understand why even if your innocent and tell the truth why you shouldn't talk to the police.
35 likes@The Leopard I ant really be bothered 😂 I take the point that if there's is a copper trying to make you guilty regardless then yeh, don't talk without a lawyer. But if you have someone reasonable, who wants to discover the truth, then you will be ok talking as long as you tell the truth
0 likes@JT1989 We live under an adversarial legal system. They don't want the truth, they want a conviction.
58 likes@JT1989 Because you'll be able to get your story straight with the lawyer before talking to the police so you DONT slip up. When you're getting interrogated they aren't trying to help you, they're trying to get you convicted. This video is proof of this. They told the truth but were still seen to be guilty.
30 likesFacts. I found out the hard way that don’t even be a victim without a lawyer. Was assaulted by this man years ago when I was a student and the cops said “why would a wealthy white man assault a student?” They then tried to make me confess that I was lying and saying “no one will ever know.” I refused to make the false confession and they had me come make a statement and read me my rights. I got a lawyer and the whole case went away, even the assault case against the guy. He is free to do it to others. I almost went to prison for being the victim.
27 likes@JT1989 lol why do you think innocent people get thrown into jail then? you have a lawyer, you diminish the probabilty of getting falsely accused. you don't, you have very good chances of messing shit up like the examples the other commentators already given. If you still think, you'll be ok without a lawyer then it's you and good luck. but it's a prosecutor's job to prove you are guilty whether they think your are guilty or not. therefore, it's not recommended by professionals, at any point after an accusation to represent yourself, guilty or not. "truth" is not as black and white as you are thinking when laws involved.
9 likes@Sikder Raish Mahmud obviously I believe that if you are going on trial you need a lawyer, what I am saying is, that if you get wrongfully arrested for a crime you didn't commit, talking to an honest police officer isn't going to get you in any trouble as long as you just tell the truth. If your innocent then your story is going to be the same whether you have a lawyer or not. I'm not sure what you could say that could incriminate you that wasn't a lie?
0 likes@JT1989 "lol I can't be bothered to watch the thorough and complete rebuttal to my foolish opinion"
29 likesCan I ask you a question? Is ignorance truly bliss?
@Gunther Hermann yes it is 👼👼👼
0 likesThe detective claimed he had the footage of this guy committing the crime......why enlist a confession then if the officers motives where noble? The detective is POS only concerned with his career advancement at the expense of an innocent individual.
16 likes@Andrew Leighton officers use the technique of claiming they have damning evidence to get a reaction from the suspect. The fact that he was happy they had footage would be used as evidence for him that he is innocent. I admit the officer was not a good one but the guy was honest and was rightly found as innocent. He didn't incriminate himself
0 likes@JT1989 he didn't incriminate himself but udk how many ppl who are innocent are actually still called out as "guilty" til this day n still yet to be proven innocent. did u even watch the video "don't talk to the police"?? it's obvious u didn't n it literally answers n debunks everything you've said. besides, reminder that interrogators get more money the longer they interrogate, whereas the suspects gain nothing n is instead wasting more time (which in turns psychologically makes them more tense/anxious to end it quicker after being interrogated for hours straight). and the video that everybody has already pointed to u literally shows how despite u being innocent n talking about facts throughout the interrogation n not slipping up at all, u can still get arrested.
8 likesbesides, the talking to the police would never EVER help u. the most it could do is just lesson ur sentence. u have the right to silence, use it. don't be extra
@Gunther Hermann He didn't even watch this video here. It's clearly stated at 6:55 that the guy was wrongfully imprisonned for 2 years after saying the truth to the "honest police officer". Better be safe than sorry.
9 likesJT1989 it’s obvious now that you are a cop or detective somewhere with your line of thinking. The guy did NOT match the description of the suspect even as early as the initial calls went out. However, our trusted Law Enforcement entity decided to interrupt this innocent man’s life for that window of time. Forget about the $46,000 settlement as this would not be needed if the goddamn so called trained Law Enforcement entity would do their job in a diligent manner. Call it out for what is and that is Law Enforcement Entities makes more mistakes than the public will ever know. Mistakes that takes and changes lives.
11 likesLive chat.....?
0 likes@yayayeye wdym live chat like how do u bring a live chat as evidence to court lol
0 likesExactly!!!
0 likes@where did ten's hair go what I mean is this thread, looks like a live chat because of recent comments.
0 likes@Nick Warren Get a lawyer.
0 likes@JT1989 Just watch the video instead of continuing arguing. Your questions would have been answered by now. One simple reason to not talk is everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you in a court of law. Nothing you say will be used FOR you. There is no reason to talk to police at all.
4 likesno. if you are innocent, you should profess it. i have been accused 3 times for things i havent done. 2 times, i was able to be let go because the cops were not dumb enough to book me after i explained what happened. sadly the third time, the cop was just too stupid even after watching the video of me being innocent, booked me and i was held until bailed out. but eventually was let go because the accuser was too scared to lie in court so never showed up. being a nonwhite person can really suck.
1 like@Your Name Here my point the whole time has been if your innocent and you tell the truth, how can it be used against you? If they get you to say something you didn't mean to well that is another story. But they can't use truth as evidence against you when you are innocent .... I'm sorry but I don't have 45 minutes to watch a video. I am stating my opinion not trying to argue. I acknowledge that the video could change my view but I don't have time. None of you lot have been able to change my view so I'll leave this conversation here 👍🏼
0 likes@JT1989 In more than 25% of dna exonnerations, innocent people made incriminating statements, confessed, or plead guilty. Many studies also estimate 2-3% of people in prison are innocent. That number could be far higher.
6 likesEither way, why would an innocent person plead guilty or confess to a crime they didnt commit? Its as if police are just your friends who want nothing other than the truth and to help you out.
If you feel fine talking to police if youre ever a suspect for a serious crime go for it! And goodluck!
@ng mui you can go ahead and put your race card away. This kind of thing happens to people regardless of the color of their skin..
6 likesJT1989 did you even see what this video is about dude ? I swear it says all
2 likes@Your Name Here yes, but part of my point is that if you tell the truth you should be fine.... And by telling the truth I don't mean confessing or pleading guilty to a crime you didn't commit....
0 likes@JT1989 You openly admit your problem. . . Stop stating "your opinion" and watch the video. You're 100% wrong
4 likes@JT1989 "if you tell the truth you should be fine" - in an ideal world, sure. But the world we live in is far from ideal. It isn't reasonable or even rational for you to be holding on to this position. You will never be able to make accurate predictions regarding the outcomes of real-world events by assuming them to comport to ideal standards. In doing so, you substantially increase the likelihood of making poor decisions. And in this context, poor decisions could very well lead to an indefinite loss of your freedoms.
3 likesNaivety has no place in matters of the law..
@JT1989 did you watch the video?
0 likes@Not A Strange Person I've been interrogated a bunch of times. I don't remember slipping up when I know they didn't have shit. I got angry as fuck as soon as they thought I knew more than I was telling them. Even when I was guilty I got that way. I don't like to be accused of things I know people don't have any evidence for, so I get mad very easily and go zero to a hundred on them and the issue is usually dropped once I get to where it looks like I might attack you for even saying it. lol The only way I would be calm is if they laid the evidence out in front of me. If they're just arguing back and forth and talking shit like they do have some, I'm not going to bite. I get pissed and go crazy on their ass and that works unless they have something. I don't like the same questions asked over and over again either when I've answered it the first time, so that could make me mad too. I get set off pretty easily in a confrontation like that even when guilty. I do that in most confrontations though with anyone that is accusing me of something or talking shit to me. I go zero to a hundred pretty quickly.
0 likes@SineEyed 2020 non white people get arrested way more though..
0 likes@JT1989 Not in the american system.
1 likeThe American system is generally built on the basis of the right to silence and the presumption of innocence when invoking that right.
In the British system, you would be correct, as negative inferences CAN be made at your refusal to answer questions in a timely manner.
In the British system, it is to your benefit to give as much information as you can as early as you can to plead your innocence because withholding information is seen as acting guilty, in the American system, your standard right is to withhold information as information can always be twisted, but silence cannot.
If you don't like the way the American system is built, that is fine, but your claims are 100% false and the way the American system is built you simply should never speak to police without a lawyer to advise you. Good cop or not.
Also, you talk about good cops are ok, but what happens when this video is handed off to a DA? They get to make their own interpretations. It doesn't matter how good the cop is if you have a crummy DA twisting your words.
@3am you ain't getting a lawyer
0 likes@JT1989 Ok but if you want an actual reply, that video is it. If you don't want to watch it, that doesn't make you right. It just makes you both wrong and uninformed.
2 likesJT1989 lawyers go to school to realize how to respond to those questions they ask depending on their client. Whether or not you’re innocent is unknown to the Lawyer, they ONLY know they need to ensure you get out to get their job done. So even if they trick/deceive/lie, as long as you get out the lawyer wins. Having that on your side is a lot easier and beneficial than you doing it solo.
1 likeWell that's the messed up part. You can get a lawyer, but that takes much longer which means you'll be locked up longer.
0 likes@JT1989 I shoukd give you example of the 2nd case in this clip of why he should have a lawyer.
2 likes1- He had criminal record, that put him as primary suspect.
2- He inscriminated himself: he stated he did not know the girl then later on told them he knew if her. That is lying to the police
3- He stated 100% he did not go out of the house, now the police just need a witness to disprove that and bam, they can convince the jury.
He had given the police reason to be suspicious of him. If he had a lawyer, hevwould be adviced to state : he have never met the girl. That is it, zip, nothing else. He would be adviced to not say that he 100% had never stepped foot out side the house.
For the 1st case, the lawyer will ask to see the footage, the lawyer will asked to review the police call.
All in all, lawyer, no matter how crappy they are, know about law more than you. They will help you more than yourself
@JT1989 how does one distinguish between a good, honest cop and one with bad intentions?
2 likesLXIXCDXX exactly
3 likes@JT1989 There are many studies showing that under pressure, more people than you would think, will subtly give into intense interrogative pressure. In your mind it can the difference from a hard denial to admitting you are not sure or don't know. Some people crack under pressure and their survival instincts kick in, their only concern becomes getting away from the immediate threat.
2 likes@JT1989 Absolutely wrong. There's been numerous occasions where this has been proven wrong. The right to remain silent is there to protect the innocent.
1 like@JT1989 "I don't have 45 minutes to watch a video" --> goes on to reply to all these comments with paragraph after paragraph xD
2 likesEither this guy was still very young and inexperienced, lives in a different country, or is just trolling everyone here.
@Your Name Here
0 likesAnd what's also horrible about that video is that the police guy at the end tries to say "but don't worry guys, I only get guilty people in my interrogation room" - even though videos like this one prove they interrogate innocent people just as often.
Innocent people have gone to prison. That's all you need to know. Get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut. You have the right to remain silent and that's the FIRST STEP when being accused no matter how innocent you are.
1 likeWhy a lawyer brings advantage? The whole world is manipulated by smart people.
0 likesAs I said, the world is trutly shit. And you should shit on them at all cost. Don't stop fight keep your stamina high and persist and soon you will prove it
0 likes@JT1989 Still wrong, literally the best case scenario is that it doesn't help or hurt you at all. Worst case is something gets phrased misleadingly, or someone even just straight up misremembers what you said and it gets used against you.
1 like@JT1989 How you can incriminate yourself? At 16:30 he says "if Im on a video camera" and then stops himself because he realizes how what he is saying can be interpreted. Its easy to misspeak when youre under pressure.
2 likes@JT1989 I n a fair world, you are right, it shouldn't....... but sadly in the world we live in, where many Cops are bias, aggressive for raises and better positions, etc, Saying even the most basic info (even while being innocent) can ruin your life....... A quick example, if you tell the Cop that you were on 5th street from 8 to 10 pm shopping, if said crime they are investigating happened in the area, now they will use that in court, proving that you were very capable of committing the crime.......you would also be terrified what some jury members would take as fact vs coincidence....
1 like@Your Name Here the person you linked the video for may be too dense to benefit from it, but I'm not! thank you.
0 likes@JT1989 so how did that guy end up in prison for two years?
0 likes@Your Name Here that's actually scary. A person in that position will feel so powerless. I think it's very difficult to say "I will not talk until my lawyer is here" when you're innocent.
0 likes@JT1989 even if you are guilty a good lawyer can still get you off
0 likes@JT1989 All the time you've spent responding to people on here could've been used watching that video lol
0 likesSo you need $$$ to stay out of jail? Seems legit.
0 likes@JT1989 How can you guarantee that you will perfectly recall the truth? Even a minor slip in memory will make you appear untruthful.
0 likes@JT1989 They'll find something to use. Perception is a powerful tool, they might say you were "acting strangely," even though it might be nervousness,etc. Just placing the seed of doubt into the public is enough.
0 likes@JT1989 tel that to the people who were forced into a false confession.
0 likes@JT1989 You forget the simple fact that it’s not cut and dry like that. Every hear of Murphy’s law?
0 likes@Valo B their goal isnt to find out whether or not you are guilty, its to find someone who did it, right or not
0 likesAll they do is lie. But if we lie to them we're in deep.
0 likesMen, guilty until proven innocent.
1 likeWomen, innocent until proven guilty.
They should make the interagator serve the same sentence or some sort of punishment
0 likesYaasss!! I'm so glad that investigator got Justice's hand shoved up his rear in the end.
0 likes"I'll investigate this thoroughly"
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At least he was demoted...
152 likes@Florescentia should’ve lost his job. How the hell do you miss something so simple.
398 likesHOW DO YOU NOT LOOK INTO THE CASE BEFORE QUESTIONING SOMEONE what the heck...
68 likes@Cake Hebenstreit It’s cops in general. They do that.
49 likes@Bozznian Bandz oh I know lol.
9 likessus pect 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
3 likesHe should be charged with the crime he tried to pin on him and locked up for the maximum sentence.
21 likes@Cake Hebenstreit that and probably because he just doesn’t give a fuck and wants that promotion. Instead he got demoted lol
19 likes@Bozznian Bandz should've been locked up himself
0 likes@Bozznian Bandz He should have went to prison?
0 likes@Florescentia
7 likesOh, well at least he lost his title, and pay. Meanwhile the falsely accused lost time, and had to face a traumatic hell.
Seems about even.
@Florescentia The guy should have failed. This mistake will happen again and probably has happened many times in the past causing many innocents going to jail. Or maybe the officers were racist.
1 likeDoesn't he even need to show the "evidence" he has on camera ? I mean if his video clearly doesn't show a black person ...
3 likes@Florescentia that level of incompetence should get you fired not demoted that level and of incompetence does not belong in law enforcement it's why there is a problem in law enforcement those people don't get demoted they get fired because they get protected by a union that's corrupt is all f***
1 like@Cake Hebenstreit never attribute to malice what can be more easily explained by incompetence
0 likes@Captain America hmm I think there's a track record on display with these institutions.
0 likes@Cake Hebenstreit incompetence and corruption in the police Union as well as answering to governments rather than the communities in which they serve are the core problems that need to be fixed but you aren't ready to hear that
0 likesI agree, that level of stupidity shouldn’t be demoted. He should have been fired with no chance of ever having a job related to the justice system
0 likessdf
0 likes@VioletxPurple these cops spend so much time dealing with what they think are rats that are beneath them that it eventually affects their minds
0 likesIf only I had footage of how elizabethtown kentucky pd tuned me up on Thanksgiving only to not charge me and give my firearms back
0 likesI hope he sued the fuck out of them!
1 likeAn incompetent and overzealous officer. End of story.
0 likesYou should be fired and possibly jailed if you wrongfully imprison someone.
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straight up. def fired. and jailed for sure if you knew they were innocent and pushed forward anyway. like when kamala harris blocked evidence from an appeal for a guy on death row.
313 likesFired for sure, jailed if the charge is for murder an gets the innocent person killed/executed
96 likes@Chris Green you're on a trump won cope rampage. lol
20 likesfalse accusations don't even have penalty
21 likes@reformed she literally did that though. It's not even up for debate. She straight up did that.
100 likes@reformed Listen man, I'm a biden supporter, but that dudes corect
81 likes@Lavendar 13 system is fucked
6 likes@Kill me • 6 years ago na some guys spend 10-20 yrs in prison just to be acquitted that much later.. somebody should pay for that, you literally robbed someone of a chunk of their life. That'll make the govt make sure they have the right person instead of just trying to get a conviction
29 likes@reformed What's that? You want to talk about how Trump kept pushing for the death penalty for five black kids after they were proven innocent? Why, by all means!
22 likesThey should be imprisoned for double the time the wrongfully accused was.
8 likes@reformed I dislike Trump as much as the next guy but Kamala Harris is a bad person and she really did do that. There are terrible people on both sides of politics
28 likes@reformed man i have such a strong hatred for trump and am glad biden won over him but she definitely did that.
8 likes@Krik 100% this. I never understood the blind faith in our politicians. I’m more of a Democrat but damn if just about every politician I’ve seen isn’t a garbage human in some way or another.
10 likesYou should serve the same
3 likesAmount of time the person you jailed served
you should be punished with the same jail time that the innocent person was about to be charged with
2 likesdepends on how ridiculous the circumstance is.
5 likesif the suspect wasnt even the same race as the person being arrested they should def be fired. but it wouldnt be as bad if we were truly innocent until proven guilty cause right now its really the other way around.
Careful...
0 likesIf that was the law, a lot of guilty people wouldnt be imprisoned
1 likeNever going to happen bc by law law enforcement agencies officials are legally able to make mistakes regardless of the matter
1 likeGod says let them get what they tried to give them.
0 likesHe should be sentenced with the crime he tried to pin on him.
The judge is the last one to gobe the prison
0 likes@Dan S Well Batman says 'I'm Batman!' There, I quoted a fictional character too.
1 likeAnd tried for it yourself
0 likesFired and then I’m jail for as long as that innocent person was there
0 likesyou become woke vice pres instead
0 likes@reformed Don't assume someone is a Trump supporter just because they criticize decisions made by our current administration. No one is above criticism, especially our elected officials, regardless of their political party. Haven't followed politics in a while, but if Kamala actually did this and the evidence proved the death row inmates innocence, she should face criminals charges. That's just wrong, no matter who you are.
3 likesThe issue with punishment for this is 2 things. First is that mistakes happen so this would have to have a trial based system. AN interesting idea is a peer review so that 2 officers are in charge of this. Ironically the solution to this is to fund the civilian section of the police which is the opposite of what both sides wish to do. The right wishes to militerise and the left whishes to defund. Of the irony.
1 like@reformed I shouldn't even try to explain myself to you, since you obviously are the type of individual who can't even remotely think outside the party lines, and what the media pumps into your head, but for the fuck of it I'll give it a shot. I was actually a Bernie supporter, not Trump. While I'm not on a rampage, I suppose there is a pretty good chance that Trump might have actually won, seeing as how this country has a history of rigging elections, and the powers at be were DESPERATE to get someone in office that they could control, and Biden is the epitome of that. And though they try to sell him and Harris as politicians who care about "the little guy", he is also a corporatist, always has been. They definitely rigged the democratic primary so Biden would win, if not we would have had Bernie against Trump, as Bernie was a way more popular candidate than Biden, but like I said, control. While I don't like Trump, and don't agree with his policies, I can definitely see how people come to be Trump supporters after having dealings with people like you, who just scoop everyone you disagree with, or in this case, who's statement of fact you don't like??, together into some blanket category, and when those people try to have an open minded discussion with you, you just spew out insults or more assumptions at them, never using any factual evidence to support your standings. Never forget, Trump would have never made it to office if the mainstream liberals and their blind, sheepish supporters hadn't turned their political agenda into a fucking shit show, and if your savior Obama hadn't done such a shitty job. All he had to do was not be as corrupt as all the rest of our former shit bag presidents were, but he couldn't even do that. But that's what happens when you vote based on identity politics, which dems so commonly do. Which brings me back to my point about that evil bitch Harris. Millions voted for her and Biden (who is one of the most blatantly racist politicians of all time) simply because she's black, or indian, depending on what crowd she's trying to appeal to. She got all those votes from people who claim to be opposed to injustice in the court system, and oppose harsh drug laws, although she commonly perpetuated both of those. As district attorney in San Fran or wherever it was she repeatedly jailed people, mostly minorities, for simple possession charges, even as small as marijuana, while handing out lengthy, mandatory minimum sentences (which wouldn't you know it! her man Biden signed into law with the crime bill). Not only that but she also blocked evidence from reaching inmates appeals in time, because she knew they'd win their appeal if that evidence ever saw a court room, and God forbid the truth get in the way of her prosecution record, not to mention all the free slave labor the state gets out of inmates, which she and her husband just so happen to benefit from, since they own stock in companies that contract out prison labor. And that's just the tip of the iceberg with her, she might as well run as a republican with all the support she used to show for border security and immigration laws. But like I said, when people vote solely on identity, like race in this case, it's never a good thing, and they don't see all the horrible things these candidates have done. You need to open your mind and start doing your research. Stop listening to these mainstream news stations who obviously craft whatever agenda they think will get them the best ratings. Just because you don't trust the news doesn't make you a Trump supporter, thats just a bullshit tag to put on people, that got started by, guess who, THE NEWS. Its hilarious how ya'll can be so critical and untrusting of the government when someone you don't like is in office, but when a liberal is in there, BAM! all the sudden the government can do no wrong, nothing is rigged or corrupt, in fact it's so honest and moral that you're not even allowed to question it anymore! Come on dude see it for what it is, I'm begging you. Open your eyes. Don't be afraid to look into something that doesn't seem right because you might be labeled as a conspiracy theorist by your own people. Fuck em. Even as someone who never liked Trump, I can admit that he was covered extremely unfairly by the media, as opposed to the cushy, preferential treatment they show Biden. If you can't see that then you're just an idiot and no one can help you, but if you do see it and just refuse to admit it then well.... you need to take a hard look at yourself and the type of person you are, and what honesty really means to you.
1 like@BumtheMustardMan don't waste your time, people like that don't care about facts. I guarantee you he gets all his information from CNN. no point in even trying dude.
0 likes@balls balls I don't like Trump either, but is anything he did actually worse than knowingly letting inmates die or rot away in prison just so you don't mess up your prosecution record? I don't think so. I know he's said some fucked up shit but cmon now, those are words. We're talking about lives being lost here. Years being wasted away by innocent people. I'm not trying to make a case for Trump I'm just saying, we shouldn't let our dislike or hatred for someone minimize others cruelty and evil doings.
1 like@wut dat logic do? Well said, no politician or political party should ever just blindly be given a pass. I can't even begin to explain all the reasons why that is a terrible idea. I could see questioning the accusations and researching them, especially considering the type of people we have as politicians, now and pretty much throughout the history of government, but it's just idiotic to blindly support and trust one just because they're part of the party you support or identify with.
1 likehate to be that guy but it's not that simple. I could get behind this if the law specifies that it only applies if you could have reasonably known the person wasn't guilty. Or rather didn't have enough evidence to convict him.
1 likeIsn't that what they would call kid napping?
0 likesIt just happens it's a common mistake by both the authorities and the public
0 likes@Chris Green your answer to @reformed was one of the most honest and fair assessments of the facts about the current political climate that I have read especially in a random youtube comment thread. We need people like you to run for office. Articulate and honest.
0 likesDetective work is hard. This is kinda over the top
0 likesif you do so knowingly, sure... otherwise it's called a mistake and as much as it sucks, it does happen.
0 likes@Lavendar 13 Nor should they, as long as probable cause was present at the time of arrest. Let's say there was an attempted robbery and the store owner tells dispatch the suspect was heading south in a blue Subaru Impreza. You just happen to be driving a blue Subaru Impreza and are stopped 5 minutes later 3 miles south of the gas station. Maybe you were late getting home and you were speeding. Maybe you're on probation for criminal trespass 2 years ago. That's probable cause and police are justified in arresting you as a person of interest. It's a major inconvenience, but it was a reasonable arrest.
0 likes@frossbog your anecdote aside, more than half of rape allegations are false but yet the accusers don't get any real penalty
0 likes@Lavendar 13 the $40K wasn't enough?
0 likesNo, you can't be fully accurate, change that to:
0 likes"Knowingly imprisoned someone"
Unless you'd like officers and detectives all be fired and jailed for a mistake they made, meaning they need more of them meaning, more inexperienced ones leading to MORE screw ups, and overall just making it worse for everyone
@Bon Scott's Ghost 👻 Thank you for your kind words, just telling it like it is. Unfortunately most people refuse to truly hear the facts. It's also unfortunate that the people who are best qualified to hold public office don't want the job, as my belief is morally good and decent people don't want the kind of power that comes with it. It's pretty clear by looking at most politicians that only the greedy and morally depraved want to be politicians, with the exception of Ron Paul and a few others possibly.
0 likesCops wonder why people don't trust them when this kinda shit goes down
1 likeI love sweden where i live where its innocent until proven guilty not the other way around
0 likesHmmm a real head scratcher on why they thought it was him🧐👨🏾🦲
1 likeMicheal was super cool I feel sad for these kinda people
1 likeIt’s sad because when cops misidentify people; instead of admitting their faults and letting them go they then try their hardest to convict them and get them to admit to a crime they didn’t convict.
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How should they know tho? All criminals will try to prove that they're innocent. It's a really tough job for the investigators
7 likes@Simon Foged Evidence is key. It’s innocent until proven guilty. In most cases where they get the correct person they actually have evidence for it and there’s tell tale signs someone is guilty which none of the people showed. It’s what JCS’ channel is about. Usually guilty people don’t react like either of these people.
44 likes@Simon Foged if an officer gets a call about a white male then goes out and arrests a black male then I’m sure he’s aware that he effed up
44 likes@Simon Foged bruh, its in the name. investigator. if they dont know who did it they should, idk, investigate perhaps? not accuse someone and blatantly lie and then leave the man locked up for 3 more days until another investigator does his job for him? it is indeed a tough job which is definitely the reason why the dude got demoted.
17 likes@Simon Foged “small white male” yeah let’s bring in the 6 foot black man hahaha
14 likes@Simon Foged it’s really not, perhaps asking the first man where he was at the time of the crime and checking the bus video instead of consistently lieing to him and showing no interest in actually investigating, and for the second guy.. shit, call his momma..? If you can’t get evidence without deceiving and coercing then you’re a shitty investigator. Perhaps assume there innocent until you can prove they are guilty… I think there’s a law somewhere about that🤦♂️
6 likesI'm going to sound dumb for asking this bc I didn't pay too much attention to the video, but who was the guilty one? The first guy or the second guy? Or are they both innocent?
0 likes@Lazy Rat Both innocent, one is just an extrovert and one an introvert, on top of the introvert being careful knowing he is a tall Black man in Canada and things could go bad if he got angry, and the white guy not wanting to go back to prison on a false charge.
8 likes@Simon Foged how is it a tough job? they got the wrong person and first guy isnt even close to what they were after
3 likesThat's true ....just filling their quotas.
0 likes@cyderoc aka lucianboy so true also the guy interrogating the Black guy was trying to get a confession on no evidence which would get him promoted
1 like@Even TheObsolete Bruh he got 46k for just 3 jail days
1 like@Even TheObsolete oh they are lazy? What job has you got then?
0 likes@empty windex bottle refilling windex bottles
1 like@Even TheObsolete ill take that as you being unemployed, what a position to call someone lazy from
0 likes@Mark0MXx huh
1 like@Even TheObsolete calm down
0 likes@Simon Foged he was described as a white...small man- not to mention he said false things many times
1 likeThey just refuse to even entertain the idea that maybe, just maybe, they might have made a mistake
1 likewait a min, do you have a Insta? 🥴
0 likesHere in Utah, they literally have an arrest quota. That speaks for itself on how unconstitutional that is
2 likesso true!
0 likesNo, that is not a Cop's Duty. He's not a Judge.
0 likes"Investigator" was demoted...lol, he wasn't an investigator, as the nitwit didn't investigate anything...he was clueless and could've easily ruled out this innocent man if he had done the bare MINIMUM of actually investigating something...clown just sat there, lied to an innocent person, and already had the guy judged guilty...he's apparently not that bright, but seems to be proud of it...at least he's now an example of how NOT to do things...lol...
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that’s why people should always have a lawyer tbh. you’re up against someone who you legally can not lie to, but they can lie to you.
0 likesI've been watching this channel for a while now, but I did NOT expect to hear my hometown mentioned! (Hamilton, ON)
0 likesImmediately lawyer up please especially if you are innocent.
0 likesThis detective needs to be sent back to training asap. He's clearly inept.
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Should he even be allowed to be a government employee after that?
121 likesNo, he needs to be fired.
203 likesFired. If a cop tried to take your freedom away, you'd want him fired, and charged. He lied.
118 likes@Sandra lied, falsely detained, police misconduct, the officer should have been put in prison.
85 likesTraining implies that this detective has the capacity to learn, which I humbly doubt
15 likes@Banger By lying and not following up on a case? The cop said he was going to charged for a crime, yet did no investigating? Sorry, but the officer's actions aren't "trained."
10 likes@Gummie Bear that’s his job bro. Their taught to lie and act like the person was already proven guilty so if they actually did it or know who did it they might confess.
5 likes@Gummie Bear I’m guessing your talking bout the 1st person right
0 likesHe needs to be a forklift driver and break merchandise, not break people’s lives and time.
4 likes@jayyy Yes, they are taught to lie to get something from investigation. My problem isn't with that kind of lying. The real lying was the officer said he would look into what the man was saying. Yet, the officer didn't do any other aspect of their job. It took a second officer to actually do the first officer's job to prove the first guy was innocent. The proof of innocence as all over the place, starting with the very first bit of evidence. They were looking for a white man, lol. So no, this cop didn't do their job, and if the second officer did the same lazy policework, then the innocent man would be in prison.
5 likesthats a funny way to spell fired.
0 likes@Gummie Bear true. I saw it more as the officer knew he was innocent but was trying to get info out of him since people usually remember more when their life’s on the line. But yeah I think ur right.
0 likesHe needs to be fired
0 likesHe needs to be fired and banned from every joining the force again
1 likeThere is a difference between inept and corrupt
2 likesInept, corrupt? He's just doing his job.
1 likeThe problem is his job goes against the interests of any working or poor person, and anyone decent
He's not inept, he's corrupt. He didn't do the things he did because he is incompetent, he lied and knew exactly why.
5 likesNo he should have been fired, and maybe even pay some or even all the money that the man got or just go to prison himself.
2 likes@jayyy I do understand to an extent but he still kept him in without any real evidence, he even had an aliby.
1 like@Miss Awsum he isn’t the one keeping him in though. He was probably just told to go in and act like he did the crime. It’s the stations and cops fault that he was kept without evidence
0 likesYeah, I can't say definitely after watching one clip, but he does not come across as a fair or competent investigator.
0 likessent to the dole queue would be better.
1 likeNah, he doesn’t even deserve it.
0 likesSent back to training??
1 likeHell no.
Try prison.
No one should be trained to not lie, and to not put innocent people in prison.
These are crimes against humanity done by criminals who should immediately be locked up.
Police have the ability to lie
0 likesTo obtain a confession
However
They cannot lie
To obtain a false confession
Meaning:
If the police know a suspected person didn’t commit a crime
But they lie about having evidence against said person to make them falsely confess
Taking years of freedom off families of others is either evil or sociopathic. It is literally the same as any other crime.
0 likesNotably kidnapping.
Straight prison. Anything less cheapens the crime and tells society that it is somehow okay to destroy families in a way that is utterly evil.
And it tells other cops that doing this is not that big of a deal so long as you don’t get caught.
These are crimes against humanity.
I just want to stress the nature of such criminality.Anyone so immoral that they frankly don’t care about breaking up families and robbing people of their freedom will find a way to be a bully or abusive in another way once opportunity presents. Such people only being “fired” literally proves to them how much power they literally have.
0 likesAn abusive, criminal asshole with no regard for others is still just as sociopathic in a new job. In however many “new” jobs. For me this is like watching a paedophile and just saying “oh, just fire him.” Nah. PRISON!
Both were inept. None of the interviews were convincing of guilt.
0 likesthis detective should get fired and never come back.
0 likes"The interrogator and 3 other investigator's were demoted without pay"
1 likeLove me some happy endings
so fired? yeah I agree
0 likesI will give him a bit of forgiveness in that he softened his tone at the end to be like "ok, we'll get to the bottom of this I promise you that" instead of maintaining full certainty of "I know you're guilty" bluff. Part of the reason he did bluff was to apply pressure in hopes that a truly guilty person would crack.
0 likes@Jared how do those police boots taste?
1 like@Banger that’s the problem
0 likes@Tye Tyes I would agree with you in cases where a detective or prosecutor presses the case even when the evidence says otherwise and they push it to conviction when they ought to know better or don't really believe they have the roght guy. This detective seems to have had an uncertain situation (that he could have found more doubt on if checking the original suspect description) and was going to press the guy they arrested to see if guilt came out or an admission or if he convincingly defends his innocence. That's not necessarily wrong, so long as they don't continue to bluff or put the guy through undue restraint of freedom rather than quickly check out the story and evidence. So far from what we see in this video, the detective not following procedure of checking the initial call is worthy of reprimand, but him bluffing is not necessarily going too far so long as it turns out he didn't willingly ignore evidence that showed this could not possibly be the guy. So I don't know what happens next, or if he willingly ignored the initial suspect description, that will confirm whether this detective engaged in something fireable or just being warned and made to go through testing on correct procedures again.
0 likes@Viral Leaks I'm not going to pretend to be more certain about the unknowns of this situation than I am just to virtue signal some ideological conformity. I'm just trying to think openly with nuance and am giving my opinion on what I see in this video and some theorizing of the purpose of a mild interrogation when the detective is uncertain. I also noted that I agree that if the detective willfully ignored the suspect description then I think he should be fired, and if he simply forgot to review the suspect description, he deserves to be reprimanded and made to be tested for his knowledge of procedures.
0 likesI think the man that was subject to the questioning showed really strong intelligence and character, I'd like to be friends with him.
@Banger if that’s what he was trained to do why did he get demoted and suspended without pay
0 likes@Paulo Mangano That's right never forget the police are more of a strong arm for the elites than they are for us common peasants.
0 likesThe thing that was the most shocking is he said that there was going to be court in the morning which I bet there was but because they just gave him APD he was instantly fouled guilty of the crime and another detective I'd bet heard him at the hearing and was like I bet something's not adding up did his due diligence and got a free man exonerated. Suspended without pay what a joke that's like being in school and getting an in school suspension it's not the best but it's the best of the worst
0 likes@Jared
1 likeAn “uncertain situation...”?????
The very first report of the crime referenced a short man. I think it was a short white man. This was the very very first report of this particular crime. I don’t need to hear anymore. Any normal human being would have said “hmm...this already looks fishy. Let me do the smallest look into this before I try to put an innocent man behind bars breaking up his entire family in the process.”
Somebody should even be demanding All arresting officers to give an explanation why someone who is a million miles away from resembling the reported suspect was even arrested.
Your analysis is astounding.
You are making excuses for criminals with power.
I am so very happy you was not in charge of this case.
@Jared
0 likesUnfortunately the police forces of almost every single nation on this planet remain corrupt because there are many in places of power like your self who professionally obfuscate extremely simple straightforward matters like these in order to keep sociopathic bullies in uniform.
SMH 🤦 .
Assuming US police are ever even trained LMAO
0 likespost some more videos !!!!
1 likeBasic due diligence without assumptions goes a long way.
0 likesWhat kinda guy you are. - It's like an interwiev for job application xD
0 likesIn India it is the opposite, that id "Innocent until proven guilty"
0 likesDude that was such a badass move when he called his bluff and basically said “you know what, I don’t think you have a video camera. I think you’re just saying that to see how I’ll react.”
2432 likesAnd then suddenly the cop becomes less accusatory and goes “well do know I do believe the truth is paramount...”
It’s almost like that is when the cop realized “uh oh, I have the wrong guy, I’m fucked” lmao.
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53 likesit was badass, but surely useless, and it could've been really bad for him. He already know the vdeo doesn't exist, and his hierarchy knows it too, even for legal issues, it was already stated that he had one, which he would have to answer in a trial, so there was literally no point of him doing that, besides pissing off the dude that would make his life miserable for as long as possible.
73 likesBut it's pretty beautiful to see the detective shaking off and changing the subject immediately afterward.
If he had the slightest idea - which he absolutely should have based on this guy’s behavior - he would have checked whatever proof they had to begin with, such as the simple description of the actual suspect. Let alone the fact that they were chasing a suspect and then instead arrested someone calmly getting off a bus further proves that he 100% deserved the demotion and suspension. As a detective you have to be just as ready for your suspect to be innocent as to be guilty and it was almost embarrassing how this guy just straight up the bat accused him and didn’t give him any room to admit to things that could have been potentially used in court against him (not in this particular case obviously).
11 likes@Damon DeFranco thanks
0 likesYeah that's only something you say when you can actually think clear haha
1 likecrazy how interrogators are allowed to lie about anything
0 likesfor whatever reason detective didn't follow protocol? The reason was pretty damn clear.
0 likesHell yea buddy didn’t know he was about to get 46 bands otherwise he’d probably be a lot more happy during that
0 likesInnocent until proven guilty!
0 likesThis is the perfect example of why police shouldn't be allowed to rely on false evidence to try to get a confession. Implying the existence of evidence to judge a suspect's response is one thing, but repeatedly lying to the accused over and over again is just gaslighting and may well result in a false confession.
0 likes"Whether you did it or not isn't up for discussion" um, isn't that the entire purpose of having a trial? Those cops should be thrown in prison.
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Its canada bruh
7 likes@sleepn_on_me247 so... racism doesn’t exist in Canada? What are you saying?
62 likes@Lulu Bugz nah
30 likesCanada as in
You know what i dont even know what i was sayin
Im straight talkn out my ass
My bad
@Lulu Bugz what i really meant was due process clause
4 likesIts like the 5th or 4th amendment in the US
Does canada have a constitution?
Im from ukiah, california.
1 likeIm not familiar with canadian laws
But i heard it’s beautiful in canada
@Lulu Bugz wtf is a starlite tour???
0 likes@Lulu Bugz in saskatoon??
1 like@sleepn_on_me247 star lite tours in Canada were always known to the First Nations and Métis communities ...it was not secret but the police had always denied this horror was actually happening.
7 likesThe RCMP would pick up ( read... kidnap) First Nations individuals in the middle of winter , drive them off to frigid cold , soaking wet , strip them naked leave them to walk back into town sometimes 30 miles or more In -30 degrees or colder. Of course they froze to death .The police always denied this until they picked up 4 people , (one who was 8 months pregnant) but they somehow survived... this forced an investigation and the police chief was forced to admit this had been going on since the 70’s and they really didn’t know how many people they did this to bc it was done so often.
To this day we still don’t know how many people have been murdered this way and the police officers who did this were never charged with a crime most are still on the force today.
Sorry for the paragraph.
@Lulu Bugz 😢
1 like@Lulu Bugz 30 miles!?!?!?!? Thats for sure death jesus
2 likesWtf
@Lulu Bugz god damn
2 likes@Lulu Bugz you just made me more mad n upset
2 likes@sleepn_on_me247 Yes, mostly. But like I said the police have been lied so who knows really if it happens on other provinces . They did this to kids also.... one of the victims was only 16 and I might just point out this is an especially excruciating death and many were tortured as well beforehand . It’s horrific .
1 like@Lulu Bugz crazy
1 like@sleepn_on_me247 I’m sorry bruh . It is so disturbing. 😩
1 likeSome of them are just as bad as the criminals they're supposed to apprehend, just on the otherside.
4 likesit's wrong here because the cop didn't review shit however if they have hard evidence...
0 likes@Vastelous
1 like"downtown canada"?
I didn't know entire countries with multiple cities could be considered one single town....
Okay but seriously, plz elaborate.
@A. Luiza I worded that wrong. Toronto one of the largest citys. one side of toronto is a bunch of neighborhoods nothing fancy. And downtown Toronto as people call it is full of large buildings and is pretty big. It's full of pretty crazy people and a very toxic environment.
0 likes@Vastelous
1 likeAh okay, thanks for clearing that up ;p
Some people from the other parts of the world tend to think Toronto and/or Ontario = all of Canada. So, as someone who has lived in 2 western provinces (B.C and Alberta), I sometimes feel the need to advocate for the rest of Canada. Heh.
@A. Luiza no its just people think canada is all nice nice but that isn't true
1 like@Vastelous
0 likesYes, I understand that was the reason for your comment -- mine was just to explain why I asked for clarification.
But I understand what you mean. It's true Canada isn't all rainbows and sunshine, and only people who want to see it that way will continue to, after living here for any significant amount of time.
Yet the same goes for every single place in the world, even if not all of them have the same clean reputation as Canada; whenever people create a fantasy in their mind about somewhere, they'll ignore the bad stuff that goes on there. They either make up an excuse in their minds for the problems, or ignore them completely.
I will say one thing though:
I don't know what your own experiences have been, but I hope you won't let the bad ones completely overshadow the positive ones. There's a lotta crap that goes on in every nation, and all we can do is try to make ours better in whatever way we can.
@Jason Edward Ledbury no problem !
0 likesAnd.... Yes it is.
@Lulu Bugz Well that starlite tours sh*t just blew my mind. and I thought the pigs in my country were bad. but the "I don't care if you did it or not, I'm going to fit you up anyway as it's easier than doing my job" sort of police attitude is pretty much the same everywhere.
1 like@louise yes it definitely is. Very sad and many people don’t know about these atrocities….
0 likesYeah exactly and the fact that the cop tried to backpeddal later and say(lie) that he would look through evidence and try to confirm or deny the dudes story as if he hadn't just told him his innocence was out of the question. Absolutely spineless
1 likeOn the last case: I'd like to know how many man hours of investigation went into figuring out he wasn't the suspect. What is it about the police that they'll take the time and energy to brow beat a confession instead of investigating. It doesn't matter who we get as long as we get someone?
0 likes@Clint CatesIt's not about getting the right person. All they want is to close the file with a conviction so it goes under "Crimes solved" and makes the figures look good so they can justify their budget. That's why so many people who plead guilty get a good deal if they have several other T.I.C.s when they are sentenced. It allows the police to close the books on those crimes too.
0 likesit's a method of getting a confession from the accused. He's trying to bluff and say that they have hard evidence and then tells him he made a mistake and it happens to everyone and how he can make it right by confessing. The whole purpose of this is for a confession. This is standard procedure of an interrogation unless you invoke fifth amendment and ask for lawyer (which you should always do coz literally everything you say can be used against you). So basically even if you are innocent you have to go through this and because of this about 25% of proved innocent people have confessed after interrogation coz it's quite draining and they make it seem like confessing is the best option you have even if it's clearly not if you are innocent
0 likes@Lulu Bugz poc have the most privileges in america lol
0 likesThey said that to me when accusing me of taking alcohol into a school. I didn’t.
1 likeA trial is meant mostly to figure out what the sentence will be and what type of punishment is going to be done.
0 likesIf there’s a bunch of a evidence stacked against a subject, then them questioning whether or not they did it is unnecessary. Basically, if the detective knows for a certainty that the suspect is guilty, then they wouldn’t ask anything related to this.
That interrogator apparently did not keep his promise to look at the alibis.. it was some other officer. What a dirt bag. The ending was happy one thank God. I was questioned and put in cuffs 3 times in the States. I grew up in Europe and like to go out for walks and don't always drive everywhere. The cops told me I matched the disrcription of someone twice and the third time someone called because I was out jogging in my work boots and normal clothes and they thought it was suspicious haha.
0 likes“ Did she see you sleeping at that time “ what a dumb question I don’t know I was asleep
0 likesThese videos will be studied for years yet it’s free content, like a library.
0 likeswhere did the other videos go?? I want to do another rewatch
3 likesofficers shouldn’t be allowed to lie like this i can only imagine the amount of people who’ve had nervous breakdowns and admitted to something they didn’t do
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it is not that simple dude, nobody is going to admit a crime that easily
43 likesMany people do, there are plenty of documentaries on this. Probably a third of all inmates are innocent
318 likesI could understand admitting to something you didn’t do if you’re convinced you’ll be found guilty either way. You might plead guilty to get a lighter sentence, since you feel you can’t change anything else
89 likes@justcomments It's not even that, I've seen interrogations where they just wear a man down until he's just ready to say anything, believing the cops that repeating their lie will make things easier for him. The man, after experiencing a traumatic situation, such as a loved one getting murdered, is not thinking clear during these interrogations, but also doesn't even consider getting a lawyer, because he thinks that he's just helping with the investigation. It's very sad and scary. Even when you're called in as just a witness, always ask for a lawyer and don't volunteer any information, no matter how useful you think it is and what a great helping citizen you want to be, at the end all they want is to close the case ASAP and if you're seen as weak, they'll pin the crime on you, even if you've had nothing to do with it.
169 likes@Phiusmes ehhhh let’s be realistic thats definitely an overestimate… HOWEVER yeah ur right there are TOO many cases like this
40 likesForced confessions. Real things
20 likesActually people admit to crimes they didn’t do all the time when you apply pressure. Vsauce did a video on it.
28 likes@Phiusmes can I see a source on this
4 likes@Phiusmes "probably a third." Can I get some sauce with that pasta? Or was that just a wild opinion you threw out there without any credible sources?
8 likesthis is what Japanese police do, it’s really messed up, it’s called the reid technique. You make it seem like they’ll be doing the right thing by confessing
5 likes@Phiusmes lmfao that’s a joke right? You think 1 out of every 3 people in jail are innocent?
5 likes@Caleb no, it's not a joke, basically half of those that confessed under duress are likely to be innocent, but I don't have the statistic on what that number is.
4 likes@Username agreed, except that you will often be arrested and booked before you can talk to an attorney and by then your life has been changed profoundly
2 likesIt happen to the central park 5
2 likes@Junior Juniorr don't speak on shit you know nothing about because shit like that happens more then you'd think
1 likeVictims of narc abuse will be convinced they did it this way…. It is basically narc abuse all Over again…. When I watch these videos I feel I done it but just don’t rem it…. I can not imagine what it must feel like to sit through hours of this abuse….
4 likes#america🤣🤣🤣
0 likesThis kind of interrogation is illegal on paper in plenty of civilised European countries albeit I'm sure some of the more severe investigations don't go by the book.
4 likes@Junior Juniorr the central park 5 dude they were children at the time too. Its real easy to force people into confessions when you use disgusting tactics
4 likesA lot of times when they’ve done this method it does help find the guilty party.
0 likes@Junior Juniorr seriously watch the confession tapes on Netflix. It’s not “easily”, it’s after consecutive hours, days, weeks of interrogations which are made to break you psychologically, it can happen to anybody.
3 likes@Phiusmes uhhhhhh no 😂
0 likes@Phiusmes I highly doubt 1 in 3 inmates are innocent. Tone that number down about 95%
0 likes@Junior Juniorr some studies have shown that after around 8-10 hours of straight interrogation people can be coerced into confessing to crimes they did not commit. Remember these officers have every psychological tool in the book and they will use them all to break people-they are not your friend .
1 likeI thought the same when the detective in the other video said, they have XRAY technology to see through houses walls, I was like LOL
1 likein Sweden there was like 20 years ago 3 kids on a pier... youngest drowned and the 2 twin brothers(who were innocent, the kid fell in) was pretty much forced to admit to the things in interrogation since they were like 5 and scared
2 likes@Junior Juniorr You don't need to directly admit to it. It's enough that you say or mention something, that can be used against you and interogators know exactly how to pressure and question you to get something.
0 likes@Junior Juniorryou must be american
0 likesthey aren’t allowed to lie lol
0 likes@Junior Juniorr yes, it is not that simple. Except with break their mental down and torture, thats real at least in my country
0 likesbruh I was in the middle of watching all your vids again
3 likesI was accused of a lot of shit at boarding school by other students, worst was apparently I copied someone elses music on a hard drive off someone's laptop (this was 2008), even though I had never been in their study room. It was pretty traumatizing having 6-7 guys surrounding my bed at 10pm at night, not believing a word I said and threatening me with violence. I was in tears, and I still remember that shit to this day.
0 likesPrime example… don’t trust police, & get an attorney.
0 likesPlease tell me these cops got fired.
0 likesI was wrongfully convicted and the officer tried everything in his power to make me say I did the crime, all I can say is at 17 it’s hard to remain calm during something that insane.
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I'm so sorry, that's absolutely terrible.
15 likesI'm so sorry you had to go through that, I hope you're doing alright man.
9 likesdid you do it though?
1 like@Grilled Leeks i mean..... he said “wrongfully” so i would assume not lol
3 likesI was talked into admitting something "disorderly conduct" by my probation officer. He offered three days community service to have it dropped, I knew I had did nothing. My dad sided with him because he believed it would be way easier than going to courts which I "had 0 chance in as it was already all stacked against me" according to my probation officer. It's intimidating, especially being introverted and anti-situational. I know it's not a big charge, but the fact that they are able to lie, intimidate, exaggerate, and destroy peoples dignities/lives is fucked.
0 likesit's almost like it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty but they don't get paid if no one gets arrested
0 likesanyone else feel so pissed off watching this video, like if i was the colored innocent guy i would say show me the footage because i would be in absolute awe
0 likesWhere’d most of the episodes go
6 likesThank god they got demoted and suspended no pay.
0 likesa true punishment, not that suspended on paid leave shit
how michael managed to stay calm is beyond me, i would’ve flipped the fuck out.
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That would only make things worse if he wasn't calm, he did the right thing.
26 likesThe last thing you want to do in this types of situation is to loose your self out of frustration.
He’s introverted and I’m not sure that the fact that he might have to spend a lot of time in jail has completely set on him
6 likes@Jookie That set in when he realized "he wouldn't be going home" after that interogation.
1 likehe hadn’t been in this position, he trusted the system not to imprison him without evidence and he knew he didn’t do it
13 likes@Lament of False facade 2.0 Did u even watch the video? Go back to watch what he said about the guy with the beard and how its almost impossible to "act" like he did...
0 likes@Mikkel Olsson I was talking about the guy with white shirt, the first one...
3 likesI was simply praising the guy for being calm, even I wouldn't be able to do that considering I've punch my dad in the skull and almost broke it out of anger.
Then again I had history of violence when I was a child so that may say something.
@Micah Turner I'm happy to see that his composure is so great I would not be as calm I would be flipping out probably calling the cop racist and all kinds of shit
2 likes@Lament of False facade 2.0 he spoke to the police without an attorney present. That was a bad move.
1 likeCanadians man
1 like@SultanQasim lmfao
0 likeshe should have asked to see the tape if they supposedly had it. why didn't he do that?
0 likesIt's always been guilty till you can prove your not. They are not called Terror Police for fun
0 likesI just came across this video. Took me by surprise, considering I live right downtown Hamilton. Very familiar with the locations.
0 likesPlease make a video on amber heard!!!
0 likesThe investigators should have been fired, not just suspended.
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*jailed
110 likesJustice system: best I can do is paid vacation
98 likesthey need to arrest them. They're disrespecting the badge.
31 likes@User name it was unpaid this time at least
9 likes@Connor Modin Yeah good thing to thing it was on Canada
9 likesAnd charged. Then convicted. Then imprisoned.
5 likesAnd the victims of their incompetence/evilness should have been able to sue the shit out of their departments.
0 likesAre you joking ? In normal case scenario, the innocent accused has to go all the way of the process to protect the public image of the police and prosecutor. That was very rare case the investigator was disciplined
0 likesWoah! What's going on? Why are all your videos disappearing?
5 likesI just got accused the same way as him, it's a terrible feeling, currently on trial shit sucks. Hopefully I'll have a civil suite
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what for
0 likesThis stuff honestly makes my gut ache. I feel so awful for these people, their lives were changed so suddenly and for no reason, like Justin. He seems like a normal guy.
178 likesEdit: YESSSS YOU GET THE BAG MICHAEL!!! I’m so glad he got money and those stupid investigators were demoted. What a shit situation
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dude I'll spend 3 days in jail for $50k in damages any fucking day of the week
4 likesI hope that Justin guy gets money, too. Even though.. I don't think that helps much. You saw his panic at the prospect of being incarcerated. 2 fuckin years til they figured shit out? Fuck the justice system.
9 likes@Hardcastle Exactly lol
1 likeFudge Fudge he seemed so proud that he was able to stay out of jail only to be put back in completely innocent. He did his time and he understood the crime, and now he’s getting punished
0 likesInvestigators really need to be trained better, this all could’ve been solved way earlier by ASKING THE MOTHER WHERE HE WAS or fact checking the story but not two years later
$46k for 3 days "work". It's not all hardship.
0 likesId say the system is broken but its functioning exactly as planned.
0 likesA fucking CAB
Put that interrogator in prison
1 likeThat is pathetic. To hold someone for 3 days who is innocent and not even giving you trouble. The law needs to be better able to protect innocent persons.
0 likesThis question might sound highly ignorant, but are police actually permitted to lie to you about evidence in order to get a confession?
0 likesJustin Kendall did beat this case but was immediately locked up again for Burglary 9/28/16 - 5/18/21. He is now currently locked up AGAIN for burglary, 12/02/21 - 11/01/22. Hate to say it but he might have did this one lol
0 likesAlways get a lawyer.
0 likesThe tall black man falsely accused of robbery is so polite and respectful that he actually thanked the interrogator for wrongly incarcerating him. That man deserves a lot more money and a huge apology.
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Most likely because he's a Canadian
95 likes@Erika Price ....is it wrong that I find this funny? Poor guy
16 likes@YC L not at all! Especially in a world gone mad. K cheers 🍻
12 likes@Erika Price I'm not old enough to drink but I'll take some Root Beer if you've got any
6 likes@Satan yeah that's what I was thinking. It felt like he has had to deal with this kind of thing before.
20 likesThe policeman should be in jail actually, the one that arrested him and the one carrying the interrogation.
27 likes@Satan this isnt america dude..... cops here deal with everyone the same 🙄 alot of officers arent even white. Smh
6 likes@Wesley Ferguson Canadian cops deal with everyone the same? So...every person Canadian cops arrest, ends up incarcerated for 3 days, then found to be innocent, wins $46,000 civil suit? Wow. That IS excellent treatment of everyone!
17 likesidk... $46,000 for the cost of 3 full days? That's quite the paycheck. That's $15,000/Day!
5 likes@Peter Gaard I see what you're saying. Somethings are just hard to put into an amount of currency I guess.
3 likes@Peter Gaard you wont understand tel placed in his situation
4 likesHe subconsciously thanked him for 46 k
1 likeSo patient
2 likesYou wanna go look up some criminal statistics? ;)
0 likesI think it's sort of like he's black and he knows they won't treat him as civilly as the interrogator did if he got aggressive, if he had resisted arrest he would have been hurt and then this guy would not have been as nice either and I'm taming all of this a lot
3 likes@Sailor saturn he should of resisted, let them beat the hell of him and then could of won millions in lawsuit money.i dont like when people try to get lawsuits out of everybody because they're lazy and dont want to work. But this guy didnt do anything wrong at all and still treated those police with respect. That takes a lot of humility.
0 likes@MrShaneobueno Snodgrass but you see he also could have gotten shot and killed instead of being beaten up. And yes it takes a lot of humility to treat them with such calmness and respect when they didn't show him any and it says a lot about who he is as a person, he's better than all those policemen combined and they should have gotten fired instead of just note receiving no pay for a while. Also have their past arrests checked up.
2 likescanadians...
0 likes@sweateryoshi yes I'm diagnosed with General Anxiety but I get it in social interactions probably just as much. That's why I felt so bad for him because I know how it is to just go along with something and agree just so I dont have to face conflict. I can definitely relate to that because most people would get so mad. I'm not sure what I would do in his situation but I respect how humble he is but I know and so do you that it's a fine line of being humble and cooperative and just letting people walk all over you..
2 likes@D W Agreed. No amount of money is going to remove the fear, anxiety helplessness, and phobias from this traumatic life event. Moreover, it was “only” 3 days after the fact. At the time, he was looking at years of wrongful incarceration. Everyone’s greatest nightmare.
1 like@MrShaneobueno Snodgrass you are the reason why people get shot by cops. You should never resist. If he would have resisted he would have been arrested for that and it would have stuck.
0 likes@Nervous Sips actually you are right. I would never literally tell anyone to resist police even if you are in the right because that is just plain stupid. You have to remember though this was In Canada not the US. Nevertheless i was wrong to say that because even if you are in the right, fighting or resisting the police will ALWAYS just add charges on to your original charge and make thing much worse for the person resisting police.
0 likes@sweateryoshi As someone with the same issues, I think you hit the nail on the head. Getting out of the situation quickly is the one thing I would be thinking about in that situation. It's also shown by the way he just gets completly defeated when he realizes he won't get a chance to "retreat", and will be forced to stay. It says everything. Social interactions can be exhausting and sometimes you just need to get out to be able to take a breath.
1 likeHe also immediately starts to think about the social ramifications of what is happening... almost more concerned with what his co-workers will think when he doesn't show up rather than about the potential jail time he's facing. You could interpret that as him being a stand-up guy... but I know from my own experience it's most likely completely selfish. More of a way to avoid the social interactions that would naturally follow after something like this as much as possible.
This was honestly the most infuriating part of the video. Poor guy.
0 likes46k for 3 days ? I bet he actually happy this all happened
0 likesWhat did that bearded fellow get for 2 fucking years????? Huh?? At 15k a day he should be at over 10 fucking million , but the other guy like damn i wish a stayed longer
0 likesHe dont look black btw
0 likesThe Copper sounds English.
0 likes@sweateryoshi It's obvious the British interrogator is either wearing an earpiece, or it flashed forward.... because you can tell the exact moment when he realises the ridiculous mistake they made....his tone switches on a dime from "your guilt is not even up for debate" to "I give you my word I will investigate this"
0 likesCrazy tits situation......
"tall black man" ? Shit I forgot black men don't have names right.
0 likes@Esteban Outeiral Dias sorry I forgot to write his name. Is that ok Mr. Comment Poilce? 🤷♂️🤣
0 likesSo glad what happened to those investigators happened.
0 likes@theawesome1rjc he isnt a pushover. When will people stop blaming tje victim.
4 likes1) he has anxiety.
2) he's black and he probably knows about the way black people are treated by cops. If he gets annoyed or angry they might see it is aggressive behaviour and call him hostile which makes it worse for him
3) he is in a terrifying situation right now and is probably panicking on the inside. So it may be easy for you to sit there judge him about what he did but things would probably different when ur actually in the situation.
So have some empathy and stop blaming the victim
I mean he did get all that lol.
0 likes@Satan Police?
0 likesOr majority of police
@Peter Gaard that's a lot of money to you and I, but for the guy that was scared to death thinking maybe he was going to prison for years, for a total of 3 days, may not be lot to him. that could cause lots of mental issues real quick. this guy should be studied on how calm he handled being falsely charged. any man that has that kind of composure should be respected.
0 likesIn America, the last investigator would have swept this under the rug and the man would've spent 10 years in jail. Canada AT LEAST "demotes and reprimands"
0 likescops who arrest innocent people should be charged with assault
0 likesIt;s a good thing that man was set free, and those officers were arrested. May the officer who looked into this case with a different perspective live hapilly and freely.
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The officers were demoted and suspended without paid, not arrested. You really think police arrest their own that easily? Lmao
1 likeIsn’t crazy you’re guilty until proven innocent. If a man is innocent until proven guilty then the man wouldn’t be placed into a cell with people who are in there for murder. Wouldn’t be placed into a cell at all until proven guilty.
0 likes“That’s why we’re here. To investigate” no, you’re there to get a confession from him that would be false. You’ve already made up your mind that he is guilty. You’re not investigating, you don’t care.
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That has to be one of the most annoying things about this whole system. It’s great when they’re actually interrogating a guilty person, but they won’t even open up their minds to the possibility that they might have gotten something wrong. These are peoples lives we’re talking about and they just care about being right.
288 likesangrily pushing the like button of your comment kizzy
24 likes'Murica
5 likesEveryone is guilty to a cop.
18 likes@Guts To be fair, they have to react to situations in an instant. They can’t afford to hesitate for even a second. They also have to do their job based off of the info they currently have.
6 likes@Gamer88 to be fair, they are threatening to take something invaluable off of innocent men and women. I’ll be more lenient when they figure out a way for them to get those years of free life back. These fuckups happen way too often and undermine what our justice system ought to be
50 likesI am NOT supporting this kind of thing. But there will always be individual intentions. As wrong or right it is. Though I do support finding justice. Unless we actually spend time there, we won't know the damage. Spend time in retail, people lie about coupons, I can't imagine the lies I would get about daily robberies. It's about 4-10 dudes to a city of 10k to idk LA. I'm not even god fearing and I must ask for tolerance.
3 likes@Guts tell that to every cop in town who refuses to drop me for trespassing when I'm sleeping on properties in my car. Stop fucking making an entire nation an individual when we still argue of presidents.
1 likeThis is a terrible investigator.
7 likes@Jazzy Jerica He just wanted that promotion.
3 likes@Gamer88 ''Based off of the info they currently have''??? Talking about this case specifically... The actual suspect was said to be a SMALL WHITE MAN. Michael who came in is 6'3 and NOT white...
2 likes@Captain Caveman Not all cops. Yes there are unofficial quotas. If a police department doesn’t make a certain amount of arrests, write a certain number of tickets, etc., their funding goes down. In my opinion, it’s fucking bullshit that these quotas even have to exist because they’re part of the problem.
0 likesNOT SUPPORTING THIS MANNER but, this lack of evidence while investigating made it so multiple crime bosses got away with crime even tho they know for certain they are guilty... everything is wromg
0 likesits insane because if you look at the other videos on his channel when u see the guilty cases they do so much more investigation to make sure that they are rightfully convicted but these cases are literally mind blowing on how little evidence there is and how they have already made up their mind. its insane.
0 likesLiterally. The entire time I was thinking just do your damn job and investigate because he didn't match the description one bit and his composure never changed. It is really sad that these things still happen, I thought detectives and police officers would have been smarter by now. I mean seriously it's 2021.. what the fuck.
0 likes@Nick Ger I would love to but sadly I’m 1. Not Canadian 2. Not a politician. You’re allowed to point out issues in systems even if you yourself can’t fix them. If everyone started doing it, maybe one day it WOULD get fixed
0 likes@NaySay Network serial killers? Hell isn't there a case where the dude tried to help find himself?
0 likes@Wize Wolf it was an example of what people would lie about not the actual case. Just saying people suck :(
0 likes@masterskellington92 i know what u meant. I worked retail too, I would see people stealing candy bars and cheap make up. I honestly did not care. Little things can't make a fuss over. Someone lying about a major crime and there's no proof is a lot different. You can suspect someone is lying but u still need evidence.
0 likes@Karina Gonzalez closure and a closed case are a scary source of emotional and political power. Honestly, it's scary to be human.
0 likes@Benjai why?
0 likesAnd this is pretty much what happens everyday in hawkesburry ontario then when u raise ur voice they simply pull the I'm an officer bullshit
0 likesWow held that man for 3 and a half days.
0 likesI get that ur breaking down this but why don’t people like u do this before an innocent guy served time so u can analyze it for the jury
0 likesThese are not examples of a justice system. A justice system would care to find the truth, not playing tricks on suspects in order to get a false confession. The opportunity to have a lawyer present should be given before an interrogation is even conducted.
0 likesI really hope the innocent guy who got screwed by “CANDY” and spent two years in jail was reimbursed too. Grave injustice
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Oops. Maybe he shouldn't have destroyed his reputation by going to prison for robbery earlier in his life. That is what caused people to not believe him. But yeah, he should get reimbursed, and that girl who wrongfully accused him should go to prison for life.
27 likes@Justin Madrid So just because he got jail time for robbery or whatever, and then eventually learned his lesson and moved on to be a hard working man, that justifies the police’s behaviour in this case? That’s exactly what’s wrong with the justice system. They see what they wanna see, and will get the outcome that they want solely based on the fact that because he used to be a criminal, it will be easier for them to charge him and imprison him. Just confirmation bias, it’s ridiculous.
812 likes@CrazyDragy How the fuck did you get that message from my comment lmao. In a nutshell, all I am saying is... be presentable, don't build up a criminal history, and show some manners, and people will be far less likely to assume you are a criminal.
6 likes@Justin Madrid "be presentable, don't build up a criminal history, and show some manners, and people will be far less likely to assume you are a criminal."
339 likesabsolutely ridiculous point to make given the other guy in this video did exactly that and yet the cops take it as a given that he is a criminal
@Justin Madrid You're literally saying don't look a certain way because that's how criminals can look, as if that's how the world works. That's against personal freedom you know?
131 likes@CrazyDragy It is not against personal freedom to advise people to be presentable. You guys keep jumping to these wild conclusions. Don't dress like a Wal-Mart employee if you don't want to be treated like one, don't dress like a clown if you don't want to be treated like one, and don't dress up as a gang member if you don't want to be treated like one. You can if you want, no one is stripping your freedom to do so, but I am simply saying that your life will be better if you look nice and talk nice. Is that too fucking hard to comprehend?
5 likes@Justin Madrid So you're telling people to adhere to your standards of appearance and be judged not by their actions but your preconceived biases and be happy with it?
139 likesI suppose manipulation of psychology doesn't inherently clash with personal freedom, but being proud of your ignorance and biases just because you're comfortable in them is not a good look. If we are only animals then why do we need laws?
@Justin Madrid No one says we don't expect biases. Them being accepted still doesn't make them okay or just.
66 likes@CrazyDragy Humans develop biases for a reason. Whether they are just or not is not easy to surmise. Humans evolved to develop biases to increase the survival of species. Without biases, we would go extinct very quickly.
5 likesSometimes a bias that you consider unjust actually ends up saving someone's life or property.
If someone signs up for a baby-sitting job, and posts their picture online, and is covered with tattoos, sporting a huge unkept beard and has a grill on their teeth that says 'Dead Man', no one in their right mind would hire them for a baby-sitting job. Would you hire that person? Perhaps you think you have intellectually ascended beyond having biases? Your child won't have a good ending if you ignore your biases.
@Justin Madrid
99 likesYou're what's wrong with society. How is it not presentable to look like the guy with the beard? Millions of other people look just the same. I can't stand people like you who look down on others that you think are worse off than yourself.
@Justin Madrid I half agree with you, but many innocent people are so convicted and go to prison as well.
18 likesI'm sure he did the crime but even people innocent in the eyes of the law do things far worse, they're just never caught.
Guy learned his lesson, kept his nose clean, and the police treat him like a pos because he did something stupid earlier in his life.
Everyone deserves a second chance.
@Finlay Miles Very good point, first guy had no criminal history but was still treated like a criminal.
12 likes@Justin Madrid That first guy was not dressed like a gang member, or a clown, or a wal-mart employee. Just a regular guy (but think he was black. Can't fix that dress code in the eyes of police, can you?)
27 likes@Justin Madrid Sp then scrap the whole justice system first because it's not built around that premise. It's built to be "just" and "objective".
11 likesI'm not above our instincts, but then don't clown on others by picking and choosing what suits you and let's just be the animals that we are if that's all we are defined by.
@CrazyDragy Again. You keep accusing ME of things. I am talking about how SOCIETY views people, NOT MYSELF. I am NOT saying these biases we have are a good or bad thing. I am not even claiming that I have or do not have these specific biases mentioned above. I am ONLY pointing out that these biases exist in society. Keep me out of this. I am talking as an observer.
4 likesIf you go to a job interview dressed as a clown, do NOT expect the company to hire you. Does this mean I agree with it? Maybe, maybe not, but doesn't matter. I am simply saying that this is just how humans are, and it is virtually impossible to undo because humans naturally and instinctively develop biases about every thing down to what color and shape our food is.
Even if you manage to convince someone that traditional stereotypical 'criminal' traits are nothing to worry about, they will just develop new biases to replace the old. For example, many 'hipsters' dress very 'weird', wearing wildly colored clothing, blue hair, intentionally ugly hair cuts, oversized glasses, etc. They say that they should not be judged based on how they dress, but the thing is, those people are the FIRST people to harshly judge someone who dresses up in a rural 'countryesque' style, like blue jeans, belt, plaid shirt, and ball cap.
@Justin Madrid No one is denying that biases exist. We are saying that they are incompatible with a justice system as it pretends to be "just". We're saying they violate the whole base concept of it so it's bullshit.
27 likes@CrazyDragy Sure. But what I am saying is, the justice system is operated by humans, and humans are biased. Thus, the justice system is inherently biased, and there is nothing you can do about it. It is impossible to have a justice system free of biases. Why do you think defendants dress like they are attending a fancy wedding when they go to court, despite never wearing a suit in their life? Because if they don't. the jury will automatically assume they are guilty.
6 likes60 years ago the justice system put black people in jail just for acting slightly suspicious, and today the justice system is releasing black people back onto the streets just because they are black and people feel guilty for putting a black person in jail, despite the black person being a hardened criminal. If you try to remove your bias, you just end up overcorrecting and develop new biases. It is impossible for humans not to be biased, therefore it is impossible for the justice system not be biased.
Technically, the media is supposed to be incompatible with bias, but we both know the media is the most biased institution in existence in every country.
@Justin Madrid It is possible to try to be fair even while it's natural to be biased biased. You need to want to tho. Biases are us being lazy (default state of conserving recources) at best, and a lot more insidious at worst.
20 likesThere's a 'debate' on "objective journalism", how it's impossible and that the real goal should be fair reporting.
It's all about the values you have.
@Justin Madrid, all your points are valid the only argument I have is the guy with the beard did not go to jail because of the way he looked or his criminal record. He was waiting trial because he was falsely accused. That could be anyone. The Black guy was lucky no one accused him or he would have been screwed worse than 3 day. The police had absolutely nothing on him. He was just the first guy they saw.
8 likes@Some guy Not necessarily. If you falsely accuse someone who has a criminal record, has a poor appearance, and displays fits of rage and aggression during questioning, you are more likely to succeed with your false accusation. Now, if you try to falsely accuse someone with zero criminal history, and who keeps their appearance up, and is well spoken, calm, and well mannered, it is going to be much harder to pin a violent assault conviction on him.
1 likeIf you have a criminal history, and if you dress poorly, and you behave in an aggressive manner, the investigators are going to come down on you, the judge is going to be biased towards you, and the jury will be working against you as well.
Go back to grade school. When Bully Billy is accused of bullying someone, the teacher immediately throws him in time out, no questions asked. But when Studious Sally is accused of something, the teacher goes out of her way to side with Sally, and ensure that she does not get a time out.
@Justin Madrid, right that true but this guy was sitting in jail waiting for trial. Once he had his trial he got off. I guess he could have been out on bail waiting trial if he didn't have convictions but that might not be the case either. I'm just speculating the bail option.
9 likesWhats a problem is that in the US innocent people can be held indefinitely awaiting trial based on false accusations or bad policing. I'm not sure there is a way to fix that problem but it is a problem.
Imagine being accused of a crime you didn't commit. Being in jail for several years before a jury cleared you. It's terrible.
@Some guy The judge typically gets to decide if someone can be let out on bail or not by setting their bail price. If you have a criminal history, dress like shit, and display aggressive and angry behaviors, a judge is likely going to side against you. 9 times out of the 10 the judge is keeping a vile criminal off the streets, but sometimes innocent people have to sit in jail awaiting their trial. How do you dramatically decrease the chances of this happening to you? Don't have a criminal history, do not be aggressive, don't look like a stereotypical criminal.
3 likesThe system is not perfect, and never will be. But there are things you can do to protect yourself.
Also I do agree, something should be done about people having to wait ages for their trial. The right to a speedy trial seems to be non existent in many cases.
@Justin Madrid He didn't "made" 46 000$, he received compensation for receiving so much trauma from police that he might never believe the system again
14 likes@Guillaume Thevenot Oh please. He spent less than a week in jail, and got 46,000 dollars. If anything, that event will actually give him MORE confidence in the justice system, showing him that a shitty detective will not be able to jail someone just because he wants to.
4 likesThe man was mistreated, absolutely, but he was MORE than compensated, so he cannot claim that the end result was unjust. Do you have any idea how short 1 week is? Do you have any idea how much 46,000 dollars is?
Most people who were wrongfully imprisoned won massive lawsuits against the state. Theres lawyers who will work for a piece of that pie since its almost guaranteed money. Nothing will ever give him back those 2 years he lost, but I hope he got something to make up for it.
7 likes@Justin Madrid What does his past convictions matter? Yes a past history of crime makes you more suspicious in the eyes of the police, but if he didn't do it then he didn't do it. Its just awful, corrupt policing to immediately jump to conclusions like this and put an innocent man in jail.
14 likes@Justin Madrid I need statistical proof of this one to believe it
5 likes@Banana is Superior Statistical proof of what?
1 like@Justin Madrid statical proof that black people get out for just being black. And also "if you don't want to be treated like a Walmart employee don't dress like one" according to this logic in order to be treated like a decent human being I have to dress like one, this is problematic because clothing taste is subjective. That is a pretty fucked up saying
12 likes@Justin Madrid I'll check actual justice warrior thanks for the recommendation.I agree this yt section is too small for me to fully explain myself so would you mind giving me your discord? You seem to be able to engage in actual intellectual debate
1 like@Justin Madrid I can address all all of your points but a yt comment section isn't optimal can I contact you some other way?
1 like@Justin Madrid lol my dude is trying to justify prejudice.. Fucking amazing..
7 likes@Mr Oooo Weee You have prejudices and biases. You absolutely have them. You cannot get rid of them. You might not even realize that you have them, but you do. You might not want to admit you have them, but you have them.
3 likesIt does NOT matter if you and I 'justify' them or not. You have them, and you can never get rid of them.
So next time you try to act all high and mighty, claiming you are free from biases and prejudice, you will be wrong.
@Justin Madrid My dad was falsely accused and did those exact things yet got four years in prison because he was a pastor and autistic, therefore they perceived him as different. He was polite, well kept, and had no past record yet they put him away with no evidence. I’m sorry but unless you’ve had experience with how corrupt the justice system is you won’t understand that it doesn’t matter who you are or how you present yourself, all that matters is the narrative the police build against you.
14 likes@Justin Madrid It’s really funny seeing you try to save face. You know what you said and when people call you out on your shit you all the sudden try to deflect blame from yourself to “society”.
12 likes@Mounir Saada It is mad isn't it? Self fulfilling prophecy in a nutshell.
1 like@sora he's saying if he didn't have a criminal history with the exact same crime then this wouldn't have happened... Are you guys trying to defend people like me with a criminal history? Because no thank you, your passion/righteous indignation is tacky, kinda like how he started his comments with "oops". My actions will have lifelong consequences, because that's the burden of personal responsibility. What happened was wrong, but those people accused him, not the police. When you have a victim and a witness identifying you and creating a false narrative similar to past criminal history, then what, you would've done better than police? How arrogant, you guys do realize horrible things happen all the time, and you can blame every institution in the world, but the true problem is the individuals within that system that poison it. The British detective, and the female false accuser. And the issue in this system you guys call society and blame your problems on, is actually just you, the individuals. Stop blaming human nature on systems, it prevents solutions. And don't defend people like me with such vigor, it's patronizing and makes you look like a fool. That goes for all you righteous white knights insulting a random guy with a rational opinion- albeit a terrible delivery on his part, he isn't completely wrong, but he's less disrespectful than you are
0 likes@Justin Madrid This is not a life skills video so why are you preaching? Haven't you heard of "never judge a book by it's cover"?
3 likes@Mr Oooo Weee trying to justify INJUSTICE 😂
3 likesAnd if you ARE that wolf trying to hide in sheep's clothing, you're not as invisible as you think .
1 like@Justin Madrid The error in logic you commit IS projectig Your personal biases onto 'sociery as a whole".
7 likes@D D L That doesn't even make sense. What do you mean? I am not committing any errors.
0 likes@Justin Madrid the entire point of getting people out of jail is that they have been FORGIVEN for their crimes
2 likes@Krishiv Agarwal No, that is not the point lmao. If that were the case, child rapists would not be put on a list after they were released from prison. You also get longer jail sentences if you have a history of convictions as well.
0 likes@Justin Madrid wait do you think that a man having a beard and a leather jacket decreases the survival of the species?
6 likes@Justin Madrid What is stereotyping for 800 Alex
7 likes@tehpownlawl lol you didnt read the full conversation.
0 likes@Justin Madrid What is defending stereotyping for 800 Alex
8 likes@tehpownlawl you stereotype. you do it. you can deny it, but you literally do it yourself. what point are you trying to make?
0 likes@CrazyDragy If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck…..that may be what’s he’s saying.
0 likes@Justin Madrid That's just stupid. You can't justify taking 2 years of a mans life away just because he did something wrong in his past.
5 likesDon't forget "believe all women"
0 likesAnd the ex boyfriend
0 likes@Justin Madrid I don't serve the police, they serve me. We live in a democratic republic and as such, the minority does not dictate to the majority. If you and the police have a problem with beards and emphatic self defense of one's true actions, then you have problems with the freedoms we are entitled to. If you and the police stereotype incorrectly that often, then you are woefully underskilled to be in the policing profession. I guess that's why they say hammers only see nails though, eh?
0 likesThe entire job of the police is to protect, serve, and ascertain the truth of a criminal event so as to attain a lawful conviction.
@Justin Madrid Yes, everyone does have biases. No, not everyone let's those biases influence their decisions at work as a public servant.
1 likeIf I go to a job interview, then I am placing myself before a body that I will be serving. In that matter, yes I am subservient to the culture of the employer. Again, the police serve me and the public at large. In that sense, they need to accept the reality that good, upstanding citizens in the millions have tattoos and piercings. Funnily enough, most employers have already accepted that fact.
Show me studies that prove a correlation between tattoos or hairstyles and crime rates. Tattoos are present on every continent and have a cultural basis as such. That dudes beard wasn't even unkempt, it was merely long. Do you assume all Amish men are criminals? Psychological studies have proven that false allegations are generally met with angry denial and defensive behavior.
As far as for your "100th time", you're probably gonna keep having to defend your position that police are justified in falsely incarceration an innocent man because he had "scary beard". It's a shitty position, and you're a shitty person for maintaining it.
the only justice would be if the DA that decided to raise charges and take the case to court is sent to 2 years of prison too.
0 likeshe was kidnapped by the government, due to gross incompetence and lack of empathy from a few people. justice is only if the people who harmed him are punished.
@Justin Madrid how exactly do you treat Wal-Mart employees bruh
1 like@Rat With a lot of respect, especially since I worked in retail for years back in the day. I wonder, why are you implying/assuming that I mistreat retail employees? This can only mean you have completely missed my point.
0 likesAgain, just because I suggest you don't do X in order to avoid being mistreated, DOES NOT MEAN I AGREE WITH THEM MISTREATING YOU FOR X.
For example, I have no problem if you go to court with your shirt untucked. I will not mistreat you at all for going to court with your shirt untucked. But I AM warning you that you WILL be mistreated by the judge and jury if you go to court with your shirt untucked.
@Justin Madrid he said it himself “I used to be a piece of shit and I told myself I’m not going back”
0 likesHe also said “All I’ve done since I got out is work my ass off” he’s trying to better his life
@Justin Madrid
0 likesSaying that there is nothing to be done about prejudice is equivalent to justifying it. Did you consider that one cannot change aesthetic qualities that they are BORN with? False accusations don't just stick to people with criminal records - it carries over to both minorities and disabled individuals. In the face of those facts your "they deserve it" remark is rendered absolutely deranged.
@Justin Madrid he served his time and from what I gather, rehabilitated himself. Obviously he shouldn’t have done this but he was in his early 20s, probably had bad education and peers, and depending on where he lives know this - there are A LOT of rural areas in America with no jobs around besides correction officers and farmers. I look at many counties in upstate NY near the Canadian border - the poverty line is near 50%, average cost of the homes is less than $60,000, and the jobs consist of gas station employees, correction officers, nurses at local hospital, teachers at the school, police officers or farmers. The only people who even make a comfortable living own business’ using the resources like lumber. A guy in his 20s in an area with no jobs - yea he fucked up, but he’ll be the first one to admit it.
0 likesIt’s innocent until proven guilty
0 likesI wouldn't be satisfied with $46K, or whatever it was. I want to meet him in a back alley.
0 likes😲 frightening
0 likesDid he sue them?
0 likesWhat have we learned today kids? Don’t talk to cops. Be like Jeff.
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The ultimate conclusion after every video.
172 likesMohamed Hefny I know right. I fucking love this channel.
36 likesJeff 2020!
32 likesyall rlly take full advantage of a few bad apples
17 likesOh Jeff the legend 😂
24 likesBrad Neff probably the best option we got at this point 🤣🤣
7 likesDon't talk to the cops. Don't. No exceptions.
54 likesNah, Jeff's not going anywhere anytime soon
3 likesLegend has it he took 4 quaters out that detectives ass n bought that snickers he was promised
11 likes"A few bad apples spoil the bunch"
15 likes@UltimateBROS25 This isn't about a few bad apples it's about the entire mentality they all commonly have. Some have better judgement of their ego than others is the only separating factor. A LOT of cops are on similar tracks as these, statistics proves that and logic does as well. A job with high amounts of power for relatively little experience and aptitude that is guaranteed immunity from most 'mistakes' is going to attract a certain type of person. I think you can guess what type that may be.
45 likesA couple crooks or a lot of them in the police, Doesn't matter they still aren't your friend nor your ally.
15 likesJeeeefffffffff still waiting on that candy bar lol
2 likesUnfortunately that wouldn't have worked for these 2. The one guy would have still been jailed for 2 and 1/2 days (maybe longer since they wouldn't have investigated that picture he drew out), and the other guy would have still served 2 years even if he hadn't said anything. Our system is messed up that one person can lie and put a person in jail like that. Especially if the accuser is a woman, and the accused is a man.
9 likesUltimateBROS25 it’s not even about a few bad apples. It’s just not in your best interest to talk to any cops.
18 likesAlso hammered home the point that cops lie on a regular basis to try to catch you lying. Actually, they just lie in general bc most of the time they get away with it. Not all cops of course, but enough to ruin the reputation of police as a whole.
11 likesdanimalmx3
4 likesYeah, respect law enforcement, but if they’ve brought you in they’re opposition and should be treated as such.
Absolutely. It's just unbelievable how many people dig their own grave in the interrogation room!
4 likes"No offense but I'd like to make use of my right to remain silent until i've spoken to a lawyer. Thank you."
(Repeat as many times as necessary.)
How F'ing hard is that?!
Don’t talk to the police. But do pretend like you’re going to until after you’ve finished your Coke.
8 likes“wing-ding, thank you for the coke, put me back in the cell.”
4 likesMan’s a bloody legend 😂😂😂
danimalmx3 I would to speak to my attorney before making a comment please.
3 likes@UltimateBROS25 a few? This happens fsr to often. So many lives have been destroyed, constantly because of their negligence and lack of professionalism. Deaths, mental health issues and a lack of trust in the police has resulted because of these under trained and incompetent people. It is not a few. It is the majority. Just look up testimony from former cops about how their system really works. That will change your mind.
7 likes@Strivingtoonedaybeuseful Just gonna throw in the obligatory ACAB
6 likesAnd thats why i enjoy america because you can ask for one
2 likesOr if you talk to them make sure you learn from Michael
1 likeJeff is a legend
1 likeHif Watch “The Legend of Jeff” video by Jim Can’t Swim. A drug addict named Jeff has mastered the art of getting arrested, demanding a can of Coke and a candy bar in interrogation, then when he’s finished he says he has no idea what they’re talking about, and wants an attorney. At that point he clams up and the police are forced to take him back to his holding cell because he’s not talking lol
3 likesHif Though, for the record, the police are expected to let you use the restroom routinely if you’re being held in interrogation for more than a couple of hours. Forcing someone to piss themselves would be considered cruel and unusual treatment, and it would be very easy for a defense attorney to have the interrogation thrown out of court.
1 likeDon’t talk to cops at all
4 likes@UltimateBROS25 The "bad apples" excuse is often heard after organizational failures, and it misses the point by accusing the bad apples -- and not the rotting barrel. The barrel (system) which holds all of the apples (cops) is bad -- therefore, none of the apples can really be good.
5 likes@anarchocompactdick
0 likesThat would only raise the suspicion
@Umi ZoomR and thats how they coerce you into talking to them 😉
0 likes@danimalmx3 if you are shady
0 likesWhat video? Jeff who.? I wanna see
1 likeWonder what y'all be doing if someone went missing, or if you get stabbed or anything actually lmao
0 likes@Esteban Outeiral Dias well i have had two main arteries slashed open and the doctors helped me not the coppers
2 likes@UltimateBROS25 there ain't no reason to take a chance with a possible " good apple"
0 likesHell yes Jeff is a legend I just hope he has a lifetime supply of coke and butterfingers lol
1 likeJeff knows
0 likesYes,,! Have a coke and a smile 😁😂
1 likebetter stop talking to my father then lol
0 likes@Finn_ agreed!
0 likes@Extravaganzoyeur Because people usually want to talk and explain themselves and the media works hard to make it look like asking for a lawyer and using your right to remain silent is suspicious and something only a guilty person would do. Copaganda is all over the place.
0 likesInterrogator- I've got nothing to gain either way
0 likesBS!!!
These cops playing games with people’s lives
0 likesThat investigator is a shame for his guild.
0 likesWell turned out GREAT for him XD
0 likesThe police aren't after “the truth”, they're after a conviction, which is not the same thing, and sometimes anyone will do.
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Conviviction & promotion.
30 likesYes!!!!
0 likesIts at the fault of the system. Same fact that traffic cops need to meet a quota with how many tickets they need to give out. They’re just trying to make a living most of the time.
12 likes@doni well, these aren't people that would be shot if they disobeyed - fired maybe, but it's no excuse. If you're forced to treat innocent people badly, you have a duty not to comply.
15 likes@petrol This. Exactly, this.
3 likesexactly, they dont care about people or justice, just getting another little mark on their paper showing they completed the work. The only thing they want is money.
5 likesDon't talk to them without a lawyer.
3 likespetrol wrong. You don't get to fight the police at the time of arrest. You become a threat and now their lives are in danger. Go ahead and get arrested if you're innocent. Fight it in court and win loads of cash. Don't fight it on the street.
2 likesTarot for the Heathens sorry, how is an unarmed individual a threat to someone carrying a loaded weapons? If they’re that trigger happy, they shouldn’t have the job.
3 likesTarot for the Heathens and you definitely missed a couple steps. 1) be rich or able to afford a good lawyer 2) pray you don’t get charged. Even if you’re innocent and have a decent lawyer, it’s still 50/50.3) pray you get compensated. Let’s not ignore the hundreds of cases where everything comes straight out of the victim’s pocket. 4) access your behavior at all times. Try to defend yourself too much, you seem more guilty. 5) have a good job. One that allows you to be absent for multiple days without prior warning. Definitely going to need that job to pay off the lawyer and court fees
3 likes@Andrew Demarest Don't know about your country, but there's fack all money in being a cop in my country. They're in it for the power. Maybe some started out with naive good intentions, but it gets the better of them in the end in most cases. Also, you don't need good education results to get into cop college.
1 likeThey want to convict someone as fast as possible so they can put the case to rest while they still get the rewards
1 like@Tarot for the Heathens petrol was arguing that, as a cop, you should put your duty to humanity over the duty of being an enforcer. If your job is to treat innocent people badly, or harm them for the sake of some code or conduct, then you have a duty to disobey that code or conduct. Its why the military doesn't have the excuse: "my commanding officer told me to do it!" when it comes to crimes during wartime. You have a duty to act as a good person should, not as others tell you to act.
2 likes@Cutland Springs the fact that there are criminals doesn't justify police lying on having "evidence" on innocent people. Cops who do this are not much better than the criminals they're supposedly after. Glad the first guy was smart enough to stop talking and lawyer up.
1 likeBoth USA and my country NZ need to get rid of the privatized prison industry. USA has the highest prison population per capita and NZ has the second highest.
0 likesHey officer, not many criminals are worried about being to work at 8AM. And then to be locked up for 3 days while you’re innocent; I’m not sure how I would have dealt with that. I’m glad he got a settlement and this officer is lucky to still have a job. It sounded like he was starting to believe him though and still failed to find the truth- major fuckup
1 likeDMoogle the vast overwhelming majority of police do not have an agenda of treating people badly as you and petrol are implying. Most often, they are called to the scene and that's where things can go wrong with criminals who have something to hide. They don't drive around looking for minorities to abuse for funsies.
0 likesBruh, I wanted to finish watching wrath of jodi
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same :/ i had just started it
1 likeSAME, comments weren’t showing and my dumb ass exited the video to see if I opened it again it will fix itself 🧍🏻♀️
1 likeNothing would've happened to the cops in America sadly.
0 likesProblem is everyone sitting in that chair is Guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the interrogator
0 likesThe guilty until proven otherwise? 🥴
0 likesI'm a little satisfied that the interrogator was demoted and Michael got some compensation.
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What other guy???
4 likes@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! I believe he means Justin, the beardy guy, that spent 2 years in jail until proven innocent.
126 likes"Michael was kept in jail for 3 and a half days... Officers were demoted and suspended without pay." Michael got a nice paycheck for those 3 days he spent in jail as an innocent man.
71 likes@zeddyf that's just sad man. He's reputation probably went downhill even if he wasn't guilty.
43 likeszeddyf no he didn’t, that was in his younger years not for this case
4 likesThe other guy was unfortunately complicated because he had a "witness" testifying against him (possibly two if the boyfriend did as well) for a crime that he had a prior history of doing. It really sucks and hopefully he was able to sue them into the ground.
60 likes@XxCOOKEExxMONSTARxX @7:00
19 likesIt was 3 years when he was jail led previously but 2 yrs wrongful imprisonment this time
@ROCKDEES1 I would rather never have to receive those 46k in the first place. To be in that position for even a few hours must be life scarring.
21 likes@zeddyf I understand, no one would like being put under that awful stress. The positives are he was cleared, bad guys demoted, and he received great compensation. Come to think of it, if I knew the outcome I wouldn't mind spending 3 days in jail for that amount.😄
15 likes@zeddyf plus the dude was trying to turn his life around..living with his Mom and working for "Labor Ready"...
18 likesWhat is labor ready?
1 like@zeddyf 10:03 to 10:16 he didn't go to jail he was proven innocent.
1 likeMarceline you could be in jail awaiting trial, and the trial can be suspended for years
5 likes@Marceline wrong he went to jail for 2 years for this 6:53 to 7:03
7 likes@ROCKDEES1 hindsight 20/20
0 likes@Marceline he went to jail not prison. While you wait trial you can be in that limbo for years, even if absolutely innocent. Only after they fail to prove your guilt, will you be able to leave jail. Its daunting but its a reality.
6 likes@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! Not sure about Canada, but in US the record stays with you. Record expungement or sealing is BS. It's still there accessible by FBI.
1 likeThe investigator is typical cop we love to hate: no matter what you saying since he decided you are guilty. BTW the cop used so called Reid method that allowed lying about evidence.
@ROCKDEES1 ahaha agreed but would you risk it though? Even if I told "don't worry bro, will be exonerated in 3 days and get 50k!" I would still be reluctant to go through the experience
0 likesYeah, I felt a bit of satisfaction hearing that, but then I thought about how the guy was just fucked with for 3-4 days, unable to do anything. Then I felt bad again.
1 like@AIWFNW almost had me in tears watching that after he said that, that's some real fucked up stuff
0 likesi was da 1000th like
0 likes@Bob Marlon the whole agony of unknown, spending your time in a shithole, having to explain to prospective employer why you were arrested to start with - is not worth those 46k.
3 likesPpl are suspicious by nature: no matter how you explain your wrongful imprisonment they'll be thinking "there must be something else there..."
The interrogator should have been send to prison with the killers and rapists. Because he is exactly on their level.
1 likeHes from Canada that explains why he was so nice.
0 likesCheck out the Marco Tubic case in Toronto Canada. Hasn't been told yet...
0 likesNever talk to a cop. Never never never never.
0 likes“I have a duty to ensure the truth is paramount” he says after manipulating and lying to the suspect
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I think the correct form of that word is doody....that's his doody...since he's FULL OF IT. (shit, I mean.)
43 likesYou nailed it. "Truth" is what these creeps create out of thin air to further their career.
38 likesThey are allowed, and ENCOURAGED to lie. There's nothing to keep them from doing so
28 likesWell it’s a common tactic to lie like he does, but this is only used after a while into the interview where the directive already sees holes in your story.
16 likesI see nothing wrong with his tactics, he just kept it up too long after the guy was pretty clearly not hiding anything
9 likesWell, for those doubting he's full of shit and shouldn't be doing the job....he didn't do a very good job now did he? He didn't arrest the actual perpetrator. He's grilling someone who's innocent, and he could have easily referred back to the dispatch. This could have been a lot worse. It is a lot worse in MANY instances. They have our lives in their hands, and they know it and when they shirk that responsibility? Lives are lost and destroyed. It's not like if someone got the order wrong in a drive-thru. It's incarceration or worse. It shows a lack of quality in his work ethic, honestly. Should get demoted or reprimanded in some way.
30 likes@jd123 uhhh yeah, let's ignore that he disregarded the dispatch description. Let's ignore that post-interrogation they illegally detained him without evidence for 3 days. Nothing wrong here, that's why he and two of his buds were demoted. Too bad that civil cases can't be filed against the individual cop so that they, not the tax payer bears the burden of a judgement.
23 likesStop believing the Cop fairy tale. The roots of the profession began in protecting the interests of the rich and powerful and they never evolved past that.
Exactly!!! I don’t believe that officer told one truth or even knows the meaning of the word!!! No wonder so many innocents end up in jail.
4 likes@Jen Wombat Excelsior First and foremost their duty is to protect the innocent, we are all innocent until proven guilty, it's a fundamental pillar of society and I don't see how anyone can get away with this kind of negligence given as you say the level of responsibility in their hands. It should just be an automatic firing if the most basic due diligence is not being done and this should be being monitored at all stages of the investigation, they are simply not fit for that level of responsibility plain and simple. I'm quite sure any other profession that has this much level of responsibility, it would be a criminal offence to destroy someone's life. All this simply leads to a lack of trust of those who are there, at its most basic level, to serve and protect which ultimately leads to much bigger issues we are seeing today on a wider scale with trust. They can only rely on a thorough investigation and a thorough one would have sent an innocent person home rather quickly, which is what every person has the right and must expect I might add, rather than clutching at straws trying to force some evidence. There has got to be a failing of training here if that many got it wrong on that one investigation.
2 likesRyan Waege I don’t really know what you’re talking about.
0 likesHe can use whatever strategy he wants, the problem wasn’t his strategy it was his job performance
@jd123 If its illegal to lie to cops it shpuld be illegal for them to lie to you. If cops lie to innocent people, then it breaks the trust between them and the civillians whom they serve
3 likes@UnknownArchive Wasn't expecting you here man.
1 likeThis cop has an accent and he does not belong in this country.. he should be sent back where he came from.. We have enough trouble here without importing
0 likesTrouble...I hope he was disciplined but probably not..
I love my country and it shouldn't be ignored what he did.. years ago this poor man could he framed and sent to prison..
@UnknownArchive except a conscience
1 like@Crimson 6 hello! I binge watch crimi al stuff
2 likes@420Effect debatable. What if that lie was to protect an extreme situation? If by lying they say, find a lost child, the idea of a conscience might be reversed. Could their conscience handle NOT lying to protect someone? A conscience differs greatly from one to the next
1 like@UnknownArchive Touche, but often the lie is to get a confession and the confession to get a conviction and if those requirements are met then the cop in many ways has been successful regardless of if they convict someone who is innocent. There are a lot of cops who just want the confessions for personal gain and don't actually care if they got the right guy. there are also a ton of awesome cops who are great people who do everything in their power to make sure the right guy is caught. Too often it is the prior which is unfortunate.
1 like@420Effect True but that happens less and less each day. Cities HATE liability. Police lawsuits are a large part of that. One bad cop being bad can cost a city a LOT of money. They look at it like this: Officer Dummy cost us 100k. That 100k was ready for roads, community projects, schools, etc. Now they have to cut back on everything because of one stupid cop. The way they prevent that? Outfit all of their officers with cameras. Then if it's logged the city CAN fire the officer. I think you inspired me to do a video on the subject!
0 likes@UnknownArchive
0 likesyes I think it is certainly moving in the right direction especially with more accountability through body cameras and through the means you just expressed.
If you don't know your rights, you have no rights. The 5th amendment not self incriminate, but we are too busy with our lives and let others decide our future by hiring an attorney which his first duty is to the courts not the people, get caged in prison, and the best we do is comply about how the system and politicians are corrupt, but never about or lazyness or ignorance.
0 likes@UnknownArchive It's an accepted interrogation technique, sure. But then, how do you tell a cop "It's okay to lie in these situations, but not others." ? Answer : You can't.
0 likesOnce you tell them it's okay to lie, they will lie about everything, sometimes a lie of omission to make sure the charges "stick", sometimes lies of outright fabrication to cover their own ass.
@jd123 The problem is wrongful convictions. Lying and trying to bully someone into a confession is not using a clever technique to discover the truth.
0 likes@Smokey298 Not trying to bully someone but lying can be effective. The cops just have to be better tat their jobs tbh. These suspects really didn't seem like they were lying. Bald dude literally called out the cop's exact bluff.
0 likesyour voice should be on Netflix bro, how to fuck are stil not famous?
0 likesjustice was fkn SERVED!!!!!!! demoted ....
0 likesShouldn’t the investigator be charged by false claims? This is definitely not the appropriate way to deal with this case. I’m aware that not everybody in the same position would be innocent but such irony he saids himself that he’s treating everyone as individuals.
0 likesDuring witch hunt they tortured women to the point they confessed everything. Sad to see the practices didnt change much
0 likesThe lying cop saying “what matters to me is the truth” is the filthiest and most disturbing thing Ive heard.
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How so? The guy was held for a couple days but then they found out the truth and let him go and compensated him. Shitty situation of course, but filthy and disgusting? Seems hyperbolic
9 likesImagine how often the innocent are found guilty
67 likes@Liam Mccarthy a ton. But thats why there are civil action. Heck I'd trade 3.5 days of bed and 3 squares a day for close to 50k
13 likesThat's what lying in its purest form is like. He was convinced the guy had done and had allegedly the undeniable footage of this. Why the interrogation if you have all you need? Who cares why he did it? To make money or get stuff? What kind of a stupide reason for an interrogatory....
6 likes@Juan to get a confession??? Which you wouldnt get if the person was innocent so in theory it should work out. Pretty some stuff when it comes to criminal psychology.
0 likes@Kyle Philipe Did you not watch the entire video? A separate investigator looked into the evidence 3.5 days later. Cops involved were demoted and accused won a civil case.
25 likes@Liam lets simpifly this, so do you think that because the cops accidently got the wrong guy they are bad?
0 likesIf the other investigator never took up the case Dixon would have gone to jail and those cops would have gotten a promotion. Even in the court hearing Mann was STILL trying to say he believes Dixon guilty. All he had to do was show a pic to theGO bus driver but for whatever reason chose not to. He was turning a blind eye to potentially exonerating witnesses. AKA he was trying to convict Dixon even after he KNEW he was innocent. And he had the fucking nerve to say he's looking for the truth. What a scumbag... oh btw guess where hes at now; promoted to staff serg in 2009.... yikes.
14 likes@Kyle Philipe The interrogator/case managers tried to get him convicted, he was released because other officers looked into the case and quickly realized that they had the wrong person. They were actively lying and holding him for days despite being easily able to verify his claim.
11 likes@Remorce True, though at the time he didn't know that. The other guy who was sleeping at his mothers house received years in prison from a single testimony.
1 like@Ashley Flores it gets worse than this. The cops were lazy and didnt do the legwork on either. The white dude it said his lawyer tripped her up so bad during court that he was released without prejudice. Dont know where you got years in jail from unless I missed it.
1 like@Kyle Philipe YES. And I think you are evil too.
4 likesIn some jobs you cannot make major mistakes. This is one of them.
@Abraham Peralta so do you have proof of this or did you make it up?
0 likes@Ashley Flores they lie to the suspects in interviews to trick them into confessing. It's not really a nefarious tactic but it looks that way, somebody has to do it though. That's why I'm not a cop though
0 likes@Remorce yea I was wondering how he could've been in jail for 2 years on one testimony. It just didnt sound realistic and I would like to know the truth
0 likes@Kyle Philipe I grew up there and saw his name in the papers all the time. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hamilton-man-head-wound-fight-downtown-1.4807809
3 likesJust google search he makes it to the papers pretty frequently
Delusional? No.
4 likesA critical observer of the world around me? Yes.
You’re not a random person, you are somebody who is advocating for corrupt police officers. And you don’t know what I think of myself, but you certainly are making a lot of assumptions.... so you’re not only immoral, but not very good at arguing your point, either.
@Remorce - Good luck with that. In the case of this guy, he had video on the bus, the bus driver, and other corroborating evidence. Most people do not. They are not going to accept the alibi of your friend or family member or girlfriend. And the issue here even if you have some amount of evidence, is finding a lawyer that will take your case. Most lawyers in this arena (and lawyers in general in my mind) are pure scum. Their oath to the Constitution, means nothing.
1 likeThey don't want to do any work if they don't feel it's a slam dunk they will get paid for their efforts. So unless you are prepared to pony up potentially $tens of thousands of dollars for their fees, they might not take your case. And if you lose the case, then you lose that money also. If the cops, DAs/ Prosecutors, or Lawyers (whether defense attorney or Civil Rights Attorney) are leftists (most are), then you are at an even far greater disadvantage.
Many police departments and DAs Offices will prosecute you regardless of innocence or guilt because they are lazy, don't care, don't have enough personnel/ resources, etc. and put you through a living hell. If you are innocent like I was, but have life long debilitating health issues, you really need help to navigate the process. Especially if they keep you in the system, in this process, for 6.5 years of your life slowing wearing you down to where you are near the point of death.
Because the ultimate goal innocent or guilty, for these DAs/ Prosecutors, is to get you to accept a Plea Agreement. Never forget my words/ advice. If you ever find yourself in such a situation, remember that a public defender, or even private defense attorney like I had, is only as good as they are not lazy (and have other employees/ investigators who are willing to work for you to find exonerating evidence). 60% of people charged with one or more felonies, is innocent of one or more of those felony charges.
@Liam ignore that guy he's a know it all, you see how he said "pretty some stuff to criminal psychology" like he's actually an expert but I think he was actually trying to say its "pretty simple stuff in criminal psychology" but he clearly didnt watch the whole video lol
0 likes@Sovereign Citizen LEO well that was pretty much said in jest. So maybe some clarification. 1 I live in Canada and suing the cops for holding you doesnt really exist here so in the end my comment counts as squat. 2 I trained Police for 10 years. I know tons of lawyers and crown prosecutors that would love to help me out if I ever stumbled into a "situation". The last just shows that you dont know everyones position on certain occurances. I could go into though on statistics and sociological systems to push the point of my jest. But that'd be boring and as I said I made a funny.__. kinda?
0 likes@Remorce - My comment was cut-off for some reason (it was at least 4 paragraphs long). I wasn't stating anything negative toward you. I was just stating that it is very difficult to actually win a civil rights lawsuit, let alone find a lawyer who will take your case without you paying up front (or at least a large detainer), unless there is easily observable/ easily found clear cut evidence. In this case obviously there was. But in most, there is not. Anyone would trade a few days in jail if they thought there was a good chance they could win $50K. My point was simply that it's extremely rare, and extremely difficult to actually do so. Where you live makes little difference.
0 likes@Kyle Philipe It took a completely separate investigator to look into it. The one interrogating him didn't even investigate anything on the subjects side of the story like he said he was going to.
0 likesThat's just how they interrogate people, though. What matters is that they didn't properly check the witness alibis (they saw a white, short man) and that they didn't treat him decently. The lying technique would've likely worked if they actually looked for a white short man. If you rob a bank or whatever it was, they catch you and say that they have you on camera, they have a high chance of them just admitting to it.
0 likes@Sovereign Citizen LEO where you live makes a huge difference. Civil lawsuits work way different in Canada vs the United States. But what ev's. Getting off topic.
0 likes@Remorce - I concede that where you live actually could make a difference. That said, there are psychopaths and sociopaths everywhere, and especially in Government, and positions of power.
0 likes@Juan its Goodharts law : "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure" an interrogation is supposed to be used to figure out the truth but a lot of cops are only trying to get a confession which is only possible if you are guilty, so if they are trying to get you to admit to a crime they already are assuming you are guilty they don't care about the truth.
0 likes@Kyle Philipe bootlickers everywhere huh
0 likes@ShadyNasty why arent you a little buzzword
0 likes@Kyle Philipe how is any of that a buzzword you heathen?
0 likes@Kyle Philipe If you dont think the cops deserve to be demoted for this you're really in a world of your own lol. Rewatch the video because they had some glaring infringements of standard operating procedure that you're conveniently ignoring
0 likes@doperification well everybody heard it here, you settled it. The funny thing is I bet you actually believe that in your little head.
0 likesI wouldn't have been able to keep my composure in that situation. I woulda saw right through him and, god forbid, given him a reason to find me guilty by whoopin his lyin ass right there on camera. I'm not a violent man but about the only way you'll ever get charges put against me is to try and frame me for other charges and see what i do to that person.
0 likes@Kyle Philipe hmmm lying about evidence, definitely not filthy right
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@Kyle Philipe If you watched the video, the narrator stated that a cop getting a confession out of an accused without hard evidence would grant them a huge promotion, suggesting that that’s what the cop was aiming for and thus, why Viral V called the cop disgusting for it.
0 likes@cody davis you want to further elaborate on that?
0 likes@cody davis That's what I thought, freak. I thought you would be incapable of explaining your own philosophy and I also thought you were suggesting an end to my life..... Me, someone you dont know at all and over YouTube at that. You should probably take a hard look at yourself, if you are under 18 then I kinda understand and forgive you.
0 likes@cody davis May God have mercy on your soul
0 likes@cody davis there are few things more dangerous than a man convinced of his own moral certitude, as you have demonstrated.
0 likes@cody davis I "talk like a Rick and Morty cringe post" yet you literally just told me to "read a book lol"
0 likes@Remorce this guy was way luckier than most people who are falsely arrested, especially those who are falsely convicted. Most of the time whatever they win in a case (if they win anything) is not even remotely worth what they went through
0 likes@Kyle Philipe Purposefully lying and trying to get an innocent person to confess is not even remotely a mistake. Obviously police officers can make minor mistakes but things like these are not mistakes and are just blatantly wrong
2 likes@Remorce Hindsite 20/20. This man wasn't looking at the situation in front of him as "3.5 days and I make 46k". He was looking at it as if he's getting falsely accused of a serious crime and may end up losing the rest of his life over it. This is a stressful situation and it's easy for you to lazily say that having the outcome presented to you in such a clear manner. I'd be hard pressed to believe that you would take up a series of serious life-altering allegations for the off chance that you end up like this guy, and even in that perspective lies the bias that you've been exposed to this man's situation and think this outcome is the norm when in reality it's not.
1 like@Kyle Philipe Wtf do you mean how so the cop lied and said he had the guy on camera robbing the place, that's why he was arrested. These pos cops got off easy they all should have been fired and thrown in jail for arresting an innocent man.
1 like@Kyle Philipe really? How so you ask? Because the pecker cop says “what matters to me is the TRUTH” when he wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him in the a$$! That IS filthy and disturbing- Glad he got a small compensation. Not nearly enough for the emotional and psychological bs of almost being wrongly convicted.
1 like@Mark Rai exactly! Thank you -
1 like@burner exactly-
1 like@ChrisSquid depends on your lifestyle. If you have a house, car on payment and go to jail and lose them to years of incarceration then defo not worth it. Homeless, cant hold a job then defo worth it. Perspective mate. Theres always a counter argument.
0 likes@vetacoth oh wow I never thought of it like that sarcasm Funny how people point out the obvious like its a revelation from god. Dude you obviously didnt read the comments in here. Laziness in kids these days I guess. Did you read the comment where I said this was in jest? Obviously not.
0 likes@Remorce Look up what projection means. Didn’t seem so obvious to you when you wrote the comment. Your need get emotional and lie then fail to provoke someone you don’t know over the internet is just weird. I hope life is treating you well, buddy.
0 likes@vetacoth yeah I lied no where. So nice to see you try to get the flip and seem to take the high road lol. Nice try.
0 likes@Superkayko exactly. I've heard several testimonies of people pushed to make false confessions and then ended up in prison. One particularly horrible story was that of a young voy who discovered his murdered sister at home and was basically tortured for days, deprived of sleep and food and then made to confesse the murder if he wanted to get out of there...
0 likes@Kyle Philipe you're very naive... They coerce you into admitting incriminating stuff, even if you didn't do it.
0 likesThat guy’s a Saint.
0 likesOnly 46k? They got off light and that cop should turn over his gun and badge.
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For three days that’s an amazing amount of money lmao. I was once picked out of a photo lineup by a woman who had her purse stolen. I was at the dermatologist that day and when I got home did a few things. Went out to hang out with a few friends a few hours after I got home. I get a call from my mother saying there’s police at the door and they need to speak to me, they wouldn’t tell her what about.
2 likesSo I walk to my house, they tell me that a lady picked me out of the photo book and they need me to come to the station to do a lineup. I go without a problem because I know I didn’t do it. I get into the interrogation room and after being questioned i wrote a two page statement of what I did and where I was that day.
They do a lineup and you’ll hear knocks on the window if the person picks you (ie 3 knocks if you’re number three, one knock if you’re number one). The detective comes out into the hallway and says “oh fuck”, I heard that and think that’s great news for me because she must have not picked me. He goes back into the room with her and then I hear the knocks.
Just so happens that I knew someone who was arrested in the cell next to the room where the witnesses look at the suspects in the lineup. On the way to central booking he told me that he overheard the detective saying to the lady “it could’ve been him maybe he was wearing a wig”. If I would’ve had a lawyer present then I wouldn’t have had that happen.
After about ten to twelve hours (plus the additional five or six I was in the precinct) in central booking and being the last person in the room out of like forty people, an officer gets me and lets me out the back door. I never found out what happened and why they let me go.
never trust stranger. you're not a guest and you're in their castle.
1 likealways talk to Lawyer,, always.
I can't stand police Lying
1 likeBeing blamed for shit you’ve never done, I’d ascertain, is annoying af.
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Hell yeah !
0 likesI got kicked out of a (free) concert for a 100% bogus reason and even then I was batshit livid about the accusation, can't imagine my fury if I went through this. Still, I might do it for the $46k.
11 likesDon't fucking type "af" and then call somebody else annoying.
0 likes@Forged Sanity How did you know men did that
0 likes@II M4X II What could possibly be annoying about using two letters?
22 likes@axel Blue hair, eh? Love Fortnite and Among Us?
0 likes@II M4X II 😐
14 likes@Skarn Fair point.
0 likesJust "annoying"? It's fucking terrifying tho...
4 likesI take it you aren't married?
2 likesIt's more than annoying, it's downright unethical that cops will make up shit (e.g. had alcohol) and manipulate the accused for a confession to further their own careers. That's the ugly truth of capitalism.
1 likeAmong us players: First time?
3 likes@Johan Bjorkman good one
0 likes@II M4X II Bitchmade
2 likesWow, I really got roasted by a few 12-year-old muppets and half-black pot-smokers who think they're hard. And that's not a word, NoodlePapi.
0 likes@II M4X II man I really thought you were serious till that last comment. Took me a bit to tell if it was trolling or not. Good one. Anyways carry on
0 likes@II M4X II I’m sure people older than myself found “lol” obnoxious as fuck, when the internet became readily accessible & text messaging took off. I’m 29 now, & while I might’ve cringed the first few times I saw “af”, it’s unreasonable to expect younger people to not speak like those around them. My parents text with abbreviations they’d have never used a decade ago.
0 likesgetting 46k in 3days is not.
0 likes@Christopher Lowery So you think everyone will come to use these "abbreviations" eventually?
0 likes@Darric lol
0 likesImproper use of "ascertain"
1 like@II M4X II does the fact that they're half-black bother you? Do you have a problem with half-black people?
1 like@axel LMAOOO 😂
0 likes@Peter Sanchezthank you
2 likes@II M4X II You got me! Bitchmade is indeed not a word, whatever shall I do…
0 likes@II M4X II whats wrong with using aave?
0 likesOoooo that ending was sweeeet
0 likesGet a lawyer to check the 'evidence'. Very cheap if you pay for the hour and they don't have any.
0 likesEveryone no matter who should watch these videos. Just to be safe
0 likesIn the UK it's innocent until proven guilty.
0 likesIt's seriously disturbing that the Investigator says he has nothing to gain by watching the footage. Uhm, how about some integrity for NOT being the guy who falsely charges people?
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He takes it for granted that the goal is to jail the accused and not give a shit whether he's guilty or not.
29 likesHe didn't want to be proving to be a liar, thats why he had nothing to gain cause it would of destroyed his ego
11 likesIts kinda human to take short cuts in thinking, adds confidence even. But thats not the job he was given, kinda lazy
4 likes@more booze Nothing to gain. Everything he has to lose.
0 likes@ccbbba laziness that got an innocent man 3 days behind bars.... Its insane
7 likesI keep watching that moment and I cannot find any indication that he was refering to the footage when saying he has nothing to gain. What he's talking about is the other guy calling out what he assumes to be the classic "we got evidence against you" bluff, to which the investigator then refers he has nothing to gain from. I'm gonna assume it as an absolute because I simply cannot see that point and say you, and the people replying to this thinking it's true, are no better than that lazy investigator.
0 likes@Maxwell Lee Sterling Oof... talk about digging a hole. Your inability to find something is not proof it doesn't exist. Could you imagine if any field of science operated by such logic?
2 likes@IceMelon at least it wasn't 3 months
0 likes@Simple And Effective at least it wasn't more than even that. Plenty of people get years for crimes they didn't commit.
2 likes@IceMelon true
0 likesI'm kinda just hoping that it doesn't happen to me because I'm in high school but I look like a 20 year old
I don't want to make anyone lose their jobs because they assaulted an innocent child but I can and I will
@Simple And Effective Hahaha. I love your brainwaves.
0 likes@IceMelon what brainwaves lmao
0 likesOMG, WHAT A GLOOOOOOOOORIOUS FINALE ! Are you kidding me? How can you make that so short in like a throwaway line at the end? I just came!......(21:36)
0 likesPlus the part about th 46.000$ also feels extremely good, that Michael is a legend! I wish I would have such composure, but if I was ever accused of a crime, I would much more likely react like the other guy......
0 likesSooo happy they were demoted, what a clown show.
0 likesIf you listen closely Michael has the same soothing voice of Bob Ross.
0 likesUgh this makes me upset
0 likesWell its a thing for police dept to find anyone to blame. It is what it is
0 likesMy man was apologizing for not being guilty. How Canadian of him
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hahahaha 😂 I am sorry because I didn't commit the crime. that is Hilarious.
50 likes@S M bless his heart
25 likesSorry gang, that’s just how we roll up here.
19 likes@Seth Campbell I'm not mad at it bro, have a blessed day
10 likesThere's even a law in canada that says if you apologize for a crime it can't be used as evidence.
14 likes@SamuraiBurgerDog None of you business lol where?
0 likeslol
0 likesThats what we Canadians do :)
5 likes@akjohnny bruh there was a lot of positive vibes going on, why bring all that negativity
17 likes@Robert Watley idk i thought it was just stating facts
0 likes@akjohnny lol are you American?
3 likes@Robert Watley it sounds like it
1 like@CannibalisticSqvirrel4ever I'm an American myself, it's pretty easy to spot a fellow countryman in the comment sections, we tend to be a wee bit standoffish
4 likesTo quote Stan Edgar from the boys “ I can’t lash out like so entitled beast that is a white man’s luxury” tho then again I’m not 100% how the police are up north
1 like@Havoc The Wendigo say word
0 likesWe will gladly consider him one of us
1 likehahaha he should have given the officer wood cutting tips also.
0 likesI don't mean to be an inconvenience but I infact did not brake into a store and ruin someones shop. My sincere apologies
1 likeOkay... who the fuck put a microphone in my cell?
0 likes@Robert Watley PFFFF AHHAHHA
1 likeBrilliant ending.
0 likesHindsight is never 20/20. Time and distance make details and exculpatory facts less visible.
0 likesDid the guy with the beard have a civil suit against anyone? That candy chick or the cops?
0 likesdemoted and suspended without pay. HA HA HA good
1 likeI hope that woman Candy got severely punished for her lies. She deserved prison for perjuring herself like that.
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99% no
45 likes@みかんの木だお ?
29 likesWomen rarely get in trouble for falsely accusing men of crimes, usually with the excuse being that punishing them for lying could make other women afraid of accusing men themselves.
212 likes@みかんの木だお ?
9 likesyeah i honestly doubt it since she was in a DV situation. u never know if it was her abuser's idea to cover his own ass or just her idea to cover her abuser's ass... because as the victim u want to fix things so u don't get abused again... so she could have called the cops immediately after the assault + went back on her word because in her mind she loves her abuser n wants to protect him.. which by extension is also protecting herself from harm because he'd be less angry...
32 likes@みかんの木だお ??
1 like@みかんの木だお ???
1 likeLying women rarely get punished
26 likes@gthktty 666A woman can never do anything wrong. Whatever wrong a woman does appear to have done can actually only be the fault of a man who abuses that little innocent and loving creature.
15 likes@rascarcapac women can be abusers too. the cycle of abuse is very real.
35 likes@gthktty 666 exactly what I was going to say. her abuser made her frame his ex friend because he's straightened his life out. or whatever they had issues with because he said they knew each other and he's beaten Candy before.
5 likesShe didnt all that happened is that she got her last name stripped away from her now she goes by Candida Pantsofphire.
2 likes@gthktty 666 lying in court in itself is an illegal offense so she probably got put in jail
2 likes@FannyBandit nope. any half assed lawyer would argue she made the statement under duress from the documented domestic abuse situation she was in… which she says in the court trial that she lied because there was a restraining order against him so if she said she had communicated with him, he would have gotten in trouble and yeah nah… she’s not in jail now.. never was.. she’s working as a paralegal
3 likes@ste07an he had to write /s at the end. we adopted this common practice because people are stupid and in order for this kinda people to understand we need to mark it aa sarcasm.
2 likes@RaydenXY
7 likesPay attention to these words and phrases:
'Never' in the first sentence.
'Only' in the second sentence.
And, especially this: "little innocent and loving creature".
These don't look like obvious and intentional exaggeratings to you?
Sarcasm doesn't have to be conveyed through !!!!! only.
For people who have at least a little capacity to think.
@Tronerfull Agreed.
3 likes100% not happening
2 likes@Molhem Alaa he's saying that in these cases, most women don't get punished because they are women. So 99% of the time they do not get reprimanded
1 like@RaydenXY nah it's pretty obvious that it's sarcasm..
6 likes@Cal Its not.
0 likes@RaydenXY It is. Don't take it as an insult, but you just weren't perceptive enough to notice it.
5 likes@xWiranekx Perceptive enough lol. You dindt even bother to read the whole thing. It might be or it might not as i said i havent said that for me it wasnt im just saying that when written you should point out that is sarcasm somehow and you shouldt call people stupid for asuming the oposite. I bet you werent perceptive enough to see that..
0 likes@RaydenXY You're mad and defensive, because everyone instantly knew it was sarcasm. Everyone, except you.
5 likes@xWiranekx okey
0 likes@deathgood543 it’s called sarcasm
2 likesyep
0 likes@RaydenXY lol you didn't know it was sarcasm ! hahahahahaha made my day
3 likes@Martin Hardstyle hahahaha... you dont know how to read. Made my day.
0 likes@RaydenXY the "little innocent and loving creature" is what sells it as sarcasm.
1 like@みかんの木だお huh???
0 likes@Cal I know just wanted that guy to chill. There is no need to be calling people stupid if they dont get it since people tend to be stupid enoguh to be serious when they say that kind of things.
1 likeShe will be asked about it on the day of Judgement.
1 like2:15 The driest sarcasm, ever heard on an American network, methinks...
0 likesHoly moly 46 grand??? Fuck yeah I’m down for 3 and a half days.
1 like"You have a video camera that shows me? Doesn't even make sense :/"
0 likesI pressed like button for the last 17 seconds!
0 likesThe armed robbery guy is the ultimate Canadian - gets wrongfully arrested, remains super chill, wants to make sure to call in to work before being held, and is thanking his detective as he's being led to lockup.
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I did that twice as an American. Must just make me an the ultimate citizen. Minus the reverse racism you added
21 likes@Shinobi Firecracker wanna cookie?
170 likes@Shinobi Firecracker what
67 likes@Shinobi Firecracker you feeling ok buddy
79 likes@Shinobi Firecracker Was this reply meant for a different comment because I'm lost? Where's the 'reverse racism'?
75 likes@Sunny R i guess it's because he called him the Ultimate Canadian as if he were to imply that only Canadians can be nice, probably just an overly nationalistic american who doesn't get a joke
91 likes@Shinobi Firecracker that literally made no sense
35 likes@Shinobi Firecracker Canadian isn't a race, you silly goose.
73 likes@Shinobi Firecracker mugiwaraaa...
5 likesWhy's there crime in Canada then?
1 like@Shinobi Firecracker what?
0 likesStraw hat? More like strawman argument, am I right?
11 likes@Shinobi Firecracker As a Canadian, I find your considering Canadians another race sexist, and I don't much care for it!
18 likesAs a fellow Canadian I hope ya'll have a good day eh.
7 likes@Zalibidas Lmao
3 likesStraw Hat never knew Canadian was a race! You Americans curriculum system works it wonders that’s for sure
5 likesi don't get whats even going on in these replies
0 likes@Shinobi Firecracker where's the racism, he just said Canadian lol. You want your cookie?
1 like@Shinobi Firecracker clown😂
1 likeI hope he sued tf out of them
0 likes@Shinobi Firecracker huh
0 likes@Shinobi Firecracker "Reverse racism." Which was what exactly?
0 likes@nalina his comment is an eyeroll at the previous comments seemingly baseless glorification of Canadians. In other words he is saying that is a good person, not particularly a Canadian.
0 likes@ceg 2009 it's not a "baseless glorification of Canadians", it's just a stereotype and pointing out the absurdity that the guy can still act nice while put in horrible situations -- making him fit the stereotype of the nice Canadian. It really wasn't as serious as you guys think. Also what's the reverse racism thing? Weird.
3 likes@nalina I'm just explaining to you where the straw hat guy was coming from not the op.
1 like@ceg 2009 okay, so do you have any idea what the reverse racism comment was about?
0 likes@nalina minus the reverse racism means minus glorification of a certain race or ethnicity i.e. Canadians (he views as a race apparently). What you referred to as a stereotype, though tbh I'm not sure why that is a stereotype for Canadians, but I have never been in Canada so... maybe they are generally very nice idk.
0 likes@ceg 2009 what an overall strange comment. Also, as a Canadian, people can be assholes. Stereotypes aren't necessarily always true, in this case, it was just funny and borderline absurd to see someone fit "the mold".
0 likes…in almost every state or commonwealth doing time in county is a cakewalk…state prison is a big difference and in Louisiana it’s just fucking nutz
0 likesIsaiah 1:16-17
0 likesWash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before My eyes;
cease to do evil,
learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.
Tht cop/detective pissed me off
2 likesGuilty or not your best bet in this Situation is to keep your Mouth shut, Detective's that already have all the Evidence they need don't ask question's. All they want is an Arrest, and could really care less about what actually happened.. If your in this Room their trying to Lock you up Period. Ask for your Attorney and STFU..
0 likes"We're looking for a short white guy" Arrests tall black guy. I'm surprised demoted and suspended without pay was all they got. Poor guy. Damn.
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It really is so terrible... He is so composed and smart, and he was treated with so much disrespect 😥
314 likesRight??? Like how?? They just arrest the first person they see???
177 likesRacism runs very deep in the justice system, I wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t his first time and if his colleagues and higher ups have also wrongfully incarcerated other black people. They often protect each other when they’re all doing the same crooked shit.
225 likesAre you really surprised lol
26 likesI’m not surprised
6 likes@Phia Don't ever let anyone convince you otherwise, by the way. Recognizing that bigotry and racial violence are inherent in our judicial system is paramount to improving it.
70 likesAnyone trying to convince you that there is no institutional racism is fucking deluded
At least he got some compensation out of that ordeal. But that's gotta leave you with some trust issues towards police for the rest of your life.
27 likesThey were all arrested and imprisoned. The reason why they thought he might be the perpetrator was because they hadn’t reviewed the evidence (which they were, by law, required to do so).
12 likesI mean, $46K for 3 days off of work doesn't sound too bad, so I wouldn't exactly say "poor guy". The detective and arresting officers definitely deserved a harsher punishment, though. Hopefully that detective's demotion was doing traffic duty like it is in the movies.
23 likes@KLUSTUR Almost getting years in jail and thinking about that for 3 days non-stop doesn't sound like a vacation to me. The fact that he only made it out thanks to 1 police officer doing their god damn job is pretty sad to think about.
44 likes@Furkan Topaloglu obviously not, but at the end of the day, the only way he could've won more is if they got fired. We're talking about the aftermath, not what he was going through in those 3 days.
3 likes@Phia why you making it about race
2 likes@Elizabeth Greene what do you mean you people?
0 likesRacism exists? shocked Pikachu face
8 likesThis is why BLM needed to happen. I don’t agree with defunding police or the looting but we all need a reminder that racism still exists everywhere
13 likes@BlinQ3d Gaming bc it is about race. The justice system is racist and this is a clear cut case of systemic racism. A white man would not be arrested if the description for the suspect was a black man. A white man would not be held without evidence for 3 days, it’s just the facts.
23 likes@BlinQ3d Gaming and here we have another person triggered about anything to do with race. People like you tend to be the most racist people out there, because even clearly acknowledging race in this instance is somehow wrong. Did you hear the description of the actual robber (short and white) and the person they decided to just arrest with no evidence (tall and black). Even the innocent white guy, even though the victim was clearly lying they at least got her to point someone (him) out. There was literally no evidence that this guy was guilty of robbing the store, yet the detective treated him as if he were guilty before being proven innocent.
15 likes@Mikko the amount of times this kind of thing happens to black men is way out of proportion to the amount of times it happens to white people, there’s statistics showing this. Your ignorance isn’t an argument, please do some research.
15 likes@Mikko you aren’t black I am guessing
11 likes@Mikko well why I say this is because you are not trying to imagine or sympathize with victims of racism
9 likes@Mikko are you saying racism doesn’t exist?
9 likesI have seen a video though when a witness said it was a white man but he wasnt. He was black
1 like@Mikko because you NEVER recognize racism. Like with George Floyd, you won’t even accept that he was killed because of his skin color
11 likes@Damien Breslin And somehow that means straight across the board that's every case, or just one anecdote?
0 likes@That's Rich just one. I'm just saying that's why they wasnt fired. Dont turn it into somthing it's not kid. Where did I imply it was "across the board"?
0 likes@Mystically Intense y
0 likes@Mikko You're 100% correct. It could be due to race and it could not be due to race. The fact that the accused is black is not evidence for anything and its stupid to assume and preach that the officer is racist. No point trying to argue with people tbh; people are stupid.
1 like@Damien Breslin Sorry about that. I just find it that when people bring up random singular anecdotes they tend to be the type that somehow believe the exception somehow refutes the rule (statistic).
0 likes@tutorial: brush him this was in Canada btw
2 likesThere are lots of pricks in the force who probably would've wanted to promote him for that
0 likes@KLUSTUR Not 3 days off, but the entire process to sue on top, along with expenses.
0 likesI'm more surprised that there were any consequences to the detective's failures at all. Cops are caught on camera shooting unarmed men in cold blood and get off with a slap on the wrist. My guess is they were demoted based on the fact that they lost the following court battle. IE: You lost us money, so now we're mad.
2 likesthat guy doesn't look black to me at all lmao
0 likes@tutorial: brush him gotta love twitter facts.
0 likes@Mikko "what will you say when a white man was held without evidence?"
6 likesbro, someone SPECIFICALLY told the officer that they saw a short white male. he discards this statement, and goes for a tall black male. what does this look like to you?
I hate that man I just can't believe that their are people who have this job but are so close minded
0 likes@KLUSTUR him getting 46k in really doesn't haven't anything to do with it, he had to right to receive that money. but the money also does not take away the fact that he spent 3 days in jail, more than likely lost his job, and was publicly humiliated, and accused without evidence.
0 likes@Paul John Jeffs you're right, the fact that the guy was black doesn't prove that him being falsely accused was racially influenced. but it's the fact that a witness had specifically told the officer that they saw a short white male, and the officer disregarded this and went for the tall black male. what else could this be?
0 likesUSA! USA! USA!
1 likeTbh, if he were white, when the cops entered the alley, he would have still been arrested. This case doesn't exactly scream racism, just cops saw a guy where they expected the suspect to be and assumed
1 likeObviously racially motivated.
0 likes@KLUSTUR They were all arrested and imprisoned.
0 likesHe wasnt black tho
0 likes@Phia What about the white bearded guy who got falsely accused? So that doesn't ONLY happen to black people. And the detainment of the black guy happened in Canada, as you can probably tell by the accents.
0 likes@arthur morgan His skin color was still dark.
0 likesThis should be bordering on false accusation crime, what the fuck.
0 likesThey should've been in jail
0 likes@M0rtanius the justice system doesn’t only exist in America lol, and it’s corrupt and systematically racist in many countries.
1 likeYou also missed a key difference in these two cases that are glaringly different, the white man they arrested WAS the suspect they were looking for, he was falsely accused by the victim but she gave his description and name to the police. The black man was arrested by 7 officers after getting off the bus bc he was on the street they thought the criminal they were chasing came out on, even though the description of the man they were looking for was short and white and he was neither. They also treated these men extremely differently, the white man was actually offered a chance to explain himself and asked questions by the cops even with prior history in breaking and entering, the black man with no prior charges is told his guilt is not in question and that there’s so much evidence he might as well confess, and isn’t asked to tell his side of the story until the end of the interrogation. He was also held for three days with no witnesses or evidence putting him at the scene, where as the white guy did have ties to the people he had been accused by. Thats a huge error within the system vs a civilian purposely turning someone in falsely. As I said, it’s happens to black people disproportionately, and there are statistics that back me up. If you just did a shred of research you’d know that black people are killed, brutalized, falsely arrested and accused and incarcerated by police/ the justice system at a high rate when compared to their percentage of the population.
I'm not even remotely surprised. This your first time seeing this?
0 likesI just wanna know: why do certain people get so offended when you point out other people’s racism? Are y’all part of the system, or complacent to the system bc you enjoy that white privilege too much to address the white supremacy, racism and oppression that upholds it? Either way I hope y’all get better soon, Fr, ignorance is a disease.
3 likesI’m not surprised. They don’t get what they deserve for ruining people’s lives.
1 like@Phia Racism is one of the reasons the Zodiac killer wasn't caught. Apparently the police disregarded eyewitness accounts and sent a search team with the objective of black male instead white male.
1 like@N BLM did nothing to help innocent folks that were wrongly accused.
1 like@Phia The other guy in the video was white and he was still arrested??
1 like@Phia If you have the links please share. It will actually be interesting to see
0 likes@Simya Rembert By that logic, the officer could just as likely hate tall people.
0 likes@Tfree free a) read my other comments and get back to me. B) google is free and i encourage you to do your own research on many different sites and articles, as I can’t link all of the statistics and articles here that helped me come to my conclusion, and I don’t want your next comment to be “you cherry picked this and that statistic” doing your own research and making your own conclusions about the facts is really important, don’t just expect people in the comments to tell you everything you need to know.
0 likes@Tfree free unfortunately I don’t simply have links to statistics saved in my phone ready to whip out when someone questions me about racism lol
0 likesDemoted and suspended is a proper consequence
0 likesFire the cops
0 likesFuck, I'll stay 3 days in jail for 40k..
0 likesThis definitely improves my way of telling if someone is lying or not. The innocent people often learn toward their accusers, the show dominant posture, they are fast in response, they tell the same stories each time they are asked and so on. The guilty are slow on response, their stories are never constant, they passify themselves constantly, they divert their eye contact away from the accusers and so on. Its interesting to see the human body work itself.
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as an aspie I would definitely pass as guilty if I were tried for a crime I didn't commit just based off your description lol
0 likes@Someone Random well they'd take that disorder into note before interrogation you 💀
0 likes@TheNuttedNutter To use it to make a confession, maybe. The only thing the cop interviewing you is trying to do is convict. They don't care if you're innocent or guilty, they just want to put you behind bars. The only way I'd reasonably have a chance of getting out of false accusations is by only asking for a lawyer.
0 likes@Someone Random it really depends on what cop you're dealing with though.
0 likesThe good ending
0 likesMichael should have that officer's job - he's clearly a better detective ...
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Yeah... seemed like a cool guy
58 likesHe called the bluff of the video camera immediately.
169 likesSeems like he has a better job.
14 likesNo 🧢
1 likeSeriously, if nothing else, Michael is incredibly intelligent. He read motive with ease, and kept his head in a very consequential situation. I hope his boss saw that, and was able to acknowledge how lucky they are to have him.
50 likesDetective Constable Jason Leek.
3 likesRead more about the full case and settlement here: https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2011/05/25/judge-rakes-cops-over-the-coals-for-wrongful-arrest.html
I was soo angry until the line all investigators got demoted or got there career ruined ... Came at the end ...
16 likesWhat a disgusting system
@Jonathan Mortondude if he was guilty, he wouldn't have called the bluff, it was obviously a bluff if he didn't do it...
4 likes@Anti Aggro how is that a disgusting system if the cops who ignored the system and didn't respect the man's time were punished with demotions and no pay and they gave the dude 42k for having to deal with them breaking the rules of the system? Thats the system working, ypu punish those that break the rules and do what you can to make amends to those who were taken advantage of by dirty cops. No matter how theoretically perfect a system you construct, there will always be people who break the rules or take advantage of the system, thats just reality, and the hallmark of a good system is that, even when you get situations like this where people break those rules, you can fix them and punish/compensate those involved accordingly.
5 likes@ZzShy thank you for your excellent points. 😁
1 likethis is pitiful
0 likesthis is why you never talk to the police. ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU. Innocent until proven guilty has never been the way it actually works and you will always be considered guilty untill you're able to prove your own innocence.
1 likethis belongs on a top ten most satisfying endings video
0 likestbh this 17 minutes of seeing criminals sitting on the chair and chatting is way better than indian CIDs breaking doors after doors XDDDDDDDDDDDD
0 likesThat Canadian cop needs to be reprimanded more than just a simple "demotion." He wasted Michael's time, his freedom, could've cost him his job. He wasted time looking for and investigating the real culprit. He wasted his man hours, that I'm presuming Canadian citizens pay for. It's not sloppy police work, it's arrogance. I wouldn't even trust him to work at a library filing books away.
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In US I'm pretty sure nothing would happen at all to those cops
50 likesThis cop is a goof.
9 likes@Kirill Prokopenko they'd get promotions for sure
25 likesSeems like he brought a few "tricks" from across the pond
11 likesKirill Prokopenko In the US our police don’t act this way. Ask Steven Crowder, he’s a Canadian who moves to the US because Canada sucks.
3 likesAdam Carmen if you think that you’d be surprised what any cop / detective is capable of
5 likesHave wisdom. What percent of the time does this happen? Can you reasonably, intelligently, expect it to be 0% in the many thousands of cases a year and who knows how many cases a decade? You want the percentage to be absolutely as low as realistically possible, and for the wrongly accused to be more than reimbursed for their pain, but there is a nonzero percentage minimum for this happening in our primitive, human judicial system.
1 likeHe's a Brit in Canada
2 likesthe "the issue here isnt whether or not you're guilty because i have enough evidence to say you are" like ??? from how the story was told it sounded like there was no evidence aside from the fact that they saw him somewhat near the crime scene
2 likes@Adam Carmen lol "Ask Steven Crowder" has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard anyone say in a YouTube comment.
14 likesDude probably would've had two chunks of lead in his chest if he was in the States, and even if he hadn't gotten shot, he almost certainly would have spent weeks in jail because our bloated criminal justice system runs like Windows Vista with ten anti-virus softwares installed.
@Adam Carmen I'm sorry but that is an extremely bad take from an extremely unreliable source. The United States police absolutely act this way, and people are wrongfully convicted in the tens of thousands at least. One person's anecdotal hatred of Canada proves nothing about the US investigators.
9 likesThat cop in canada is british. I thought u had to be born in Canada and usa to join their police forces?
0 likesI spent 3 years arguing a level 5 felony in the states that I didnt commit because I was tall and worked at the facility, the detectives, frankly, had other shit to do and wanted to close on the case.
4 likesAs far as I'm aware those detectives are still with the department.
@Quarantine Bunny you would be wrong in your assumption
0 likes@Austin what this guy said
1 like@Kevin Reyes Yeah, not corroborating a suspect's allibi and letting him stew in jail for 3 days until another detective completely unrelated to the case has to do it for you is definitely good police work.
5 likesIt's certainly really bad to ignore all descriptions of the suspect and not check whether you've got the right guy.
2 likesThat's a UK cop who has joined the Canadian force. I'm in the UK, and sadly, there are a few corrupt officers who are like this. Chances are he's been on his last leg in the UK force, and miraculously got into Canada.
2 likes@Adam Carmen Lmao steven crowder? Might aswell get your info from some senile old man on facebook bro
1 like@Adam Carmen My god... you are naive. I once went on a ride along with a cop who told me outright that they tag a "resisting arrest" charge to people they arrest as insurance against claims of excessive force. It's also why you see videos of cops in the dog pile on a suspect yelling, Stop resisting! Stop Resisting! Even when the suspect is responding that they aren't resisting.
0 likesAustin Paradiso k, you can claim my comment is funny but you didn’t debunk anything.
0 likesDude be happy something happened. In the US, nothing would happen but an internal investigation, while they were either put on desk duty or suspended WITH pay. Once that was done, the chief of police would say that the police were justifiable in their behavior, and they may even get a promotion later on down the road.
2 likes@Kevin Reyes I hope you mean "prosecute". "Persecute" means to treat someone poorly on purpose based on their race, religion, sexual orientation or other socially differing factor. Then again, maybe you do want that since you're so on the side of the cop.
1 likeShiiva Inu you’re correct actually, my analogy was wrong. But that doesn’t mean I was wrong. I still believe our police system is fine, because if you look at most other countries in the world put police system looks like heaven. Also, what about our police system would you change? Genuinely curious.
0 likesMany law enforcement officers barely meet the basic standards of civilization
0 likes@HartInCMajor I thought I was. I may be in with a chance then lol I'm from UK
0 likesDavid Klein call me naive, but just know that you threw insults at a child before I did. You acted as if I attacked you in some way, I never even said anything to you. I made a general statement, but people can’t handle that and people like you decide to take anecdotal evidence and spew it like it means something. Well guess what? My father went to prison wrongfully for a night, they thought he hadn’t payed a ticket that he had, after they found out he did pay it he got compensated and went along his daily routine. It’s easy to spew anecdotal evidence as if it means anything.
0 likesDavid Klein have a good day
0 likesIt's a legitimate strategy.
0 likesYou pretend you know beyond a doubt they did it and have the evidence to back it up.
It just so happened this time they didn't have the right guy.
I really feel for Michael but the detective was just using a common tactic (lying)
(Haven't finished the video yet though so we will see. Is he still charged with it after all of his refusals? )
@HartInCMajor That's tough. I only had to spend a few hours fighting my bogus arrest.
0 likes@Adam Carmen grow up man, let it go.
0 likes@Duane Degn Dont forget there are people who have fought for decades against bogus arrests. You and I are lucky, maybe to a different degree, but both our stories are important
0 likes@Adam Carmen lmao
0 likes@Austin Haha yeah that made my fucking night. Asking Steven Crowder what's wrong with him is the only worthy question
0 likes02SubaruWRX No I don’t think I will...
0 likes@Adam Carmen But...you were the one who STARTED with the anecdotal evidence by implying one man (Crowder) choosing to leave Canada for the U.S. was evidence that U.S. cops don't act badly. If anything your use of an anecdote as the basis of your opinion was worse than his because it wasn't even firsthand.
0 likesAnd yeah, it's true: people don't tend to react well to generalized statements like yours, but it's usually because they're difficult and (more often than not) pointless to try reasoning with. They also tend to lack any nuance or logic not formed from overt bias which just makes for a reductive and frustrating worldview to listen to other people defend.
As for your other comment: police systems being worse in other countries does not exempt the U.S. system from having flaws, that's an absurd logic. That's like saying if you punch a puppy it's okay and there's no need to correct the behavior in future because somewhere someone else has killed one. They aren't mutually exclusive and one being worse doesn't automatically make the other acceptable.
KT M I never said it didn’t have flaws. People don’t understand how privileged they are to live in the US, that was my point. As for my Crowder example, my point was that he has stated that the police are much worse in Canada (if you have his good morning mug club you can look for it). And I already admitted either way that my evidence was bad. I did this a long time ago.
0 likes@Kevin Reyes you've got to be a troll 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesI would have instantly ask to see the video!!!
0 likesInnocent until proven Guilty
0 likesAnd the shit of it was it was 46k CAD and not USD. What a flipping travesty for this poor man.
0 likesThat's honestly just how it is for us men out here, yall seeing the whole Johnny Depp situation I can assure you theres a million cases like that just go unnoticed. Here in Pakistan we had a similiar situation with this singer and actor called Ali Zafar, it is scary how just some words and accusations can ruin your everything that you spent your whole life building
2 likesThis is sad. It's like watching a person be tortured, but only in a psychological way.
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Torture is a bit much. It's definatly an interrogation, though.
6 likes@ian ian no definitely torture, I mean one big thing they do towards the end when they know what the person did if that they emotionally exhaust the person to the point where they just give up. They also find other ways to paint them to be guilty, innocent or not.
47 likes@ian ian 100% torture. You can drive an innocent person insane why interrogating someone innocent as if they are the perpetrator
7 likes@Ari How do you define torture?
1 like@Dog the question of "innocence" is why the interregation happens in the first place.
2 likesTrue
1 like@ian ian No. this interviewer blatantly stated that the interrogation was not a matter of guilt or innocence because he “KNEW” that man was guilty already. This is clearly not a real interrogation and is just an obvious case of psychological abuse. He’s fabricating facts in order to convince this innocent man that he is not innocent. Fortunately it didn’t work, but that’s what the goal was without a doubt
11 likesBlack guy who is smart. He is intelligent enough to know if he raises his voice to a corrupt cop, he will be charged with more injustice. He heard the stories. He knows of the injustices. This shouldnt be surprising that he cant act like the white guy. He cannot afford to act enraged. Those before him have been beaten and raped in jail and worse. By cops and by jailmates who cops ordered them to do so. This “justice” system is soooo f—-ed.
4 likes@Watermelon Man Uh buddy sorry to break it to you but that's how most police interrogations go
0 likes@Tsrenis Damn, that’s crazy. I didn’t know that you sat in on 51% or more of the police interrogations that occur.
3 likes@Awakenedblue very true
0 likesMake this happen for years on end, and you have gangstalking
0 likes@ian ian ITS TORTURE BECAUSE THEY ARE TEASING HIM WITH THE THOUGHT OF HIM SPENDING HIS LIFE IN A FUCKING CAGE FOR SOMETHING HE DIDNT DO. Psychological torture. They have all the power. Does that clear it up?
3 likes@ian ian I can proof at least one case which shows that this sort of behavior exists. For example have you ever heard the name George Floyd?
0 likes@Voldemortadella I had trouble reading your response because of the ALL CAPS. But I think I understood the text. Still disagree with it, though.
0 likesSo If I "teased" you, any day of the week, with "spending" your life in a "fucking cage," would that make me a torturer? That's a pretty broad and vague definition of torture.
So no, It does not clear it up. Care to clarify (without screaming this time please)?
@Goofy Goober I might have heard the name somewhere or another... Oh, wait, now I remember. Yes, it was that guy who was killed by a cop for using counterfeit currency at a store (while high on drugs). Yes, quite the hero, that one. I heard he pointed a shotgun at a pregnant woman's torso and robbed her house. I also heard that he had a history of violent crime and drug abuse. Indeed, this gentle giant will be sorely missed, for he contributed so much to our society. May he rest in peace.
0 likesIn any case, I don't see how this case applies in the context of this particular interrogation. Especially since the two cases are spaced several years apart and in different settings altogether. Remember, I'm not arguing that police corruption and brutality don't exist, merely that this particular police interrogation does not constitute this.
Would you be so kind as to spell out the connection there?
@ian ian So murder is a just punishment for using counterfeit currency?
1 like@ian ian if the government is going against its own people and trying to incarcerate them then something is horribly wrong and thats exactly what this is. Millions of people are falsely imprisoned in the u.s. over the years
0 likes@Goofy Goober I didn't say it was.Where'd you get that idea?
0 likesI was just listing facts about the guy, you know, for context. After all, it was you who asked me whether I "ever heard the name George Floyd?" The answer is yes. I think we all have, by now.
@Voldemortadella The government is "going against its people"? How? Care to elaborate on such a vague and ominous message. Sounds like a conspiracy the way you put it.
0 likesThere's definitely Something wrong. But could you be just a bit more specific ?
Millions? could you provide a source for this? What does "over the years" mean? one, two, ten, What?
@ian ian i meant to says thousands and yes the state government and federal dont always work in the interest of the people. They function as more of a business
0 likes@ian ian If you know who he is & we agree that death was not a just punishment for his crime, then surely sir or madam, you can see that at least one case of that behavior occurred between law enforcement personnel & United States citizens.
0 likes@Voldemortadella The government works in the interests of the country (e.g. it's people). The people might not always agree (due mostly to misinformation and ignorance), but at least they are always involved in the process through voting. The average Joe Smith is not a qualified military strategist, political analyst, or economist. It's best to simply vote in people you can trust and leave the technical decision-making to the experts.
0 likesI can't see how it functions as a business. A business is interested in transforming Capital assets into other products/services that is then sold for profit. A government, which is funded through involuntary taxes, makes decisions on behalf of its people.
@Goofy Goober Yes. That is true. Police corruption does, indeed, exist. However, I don't see how we can conclude that the interrogation is an example of this. We were talking about the African-American suspect that was interrogated by the police officer.
0 likesMost in this world is about psy wars..
0 likes"but only in a psychological way??
0 likes@Watermelon Man you didn't understand what was happening.
0 likesYes, they presumed he was guilty, and acted as if they had all the facts, a common interrogation technique, but they didn't know he was innocent and interrogate him anyway - what would be the point?
@mollkatless This is an intimidation move to induce stress/fear to coerce an admission of guilt or full on confession out of him. That is literally what torturing is. When someone is tortured as a POW, they are intimidated or harmed into giving up information they are presumed to have. This is what is happening here, but with psychological torture. It was unnecessary because they already had him under arrest, so it’s not like they had to hurry and get something or he could walk. Just because you call it a common interrogation tactic doesn’t mean it’s not torture. That just means that interrogation is commonly torturous
0 likes@Watermelon Man First, it is not "literally torture". Both the US constitution and NATO recognize legal interrogation - context matters. 2nd, there are limits to how long a person can be legally held without charges, again a constitutional right in the US, in Canada, the same right exists, so the clock is indeed ticking.
0 likesHow would you like to see an interrogation be conducted? I assume you would be against physical force, you don't seem to like psychological stress, how would you discern the who is innocent and guilty at the initial stage?
@mollkatless There’s the problem. We’re on two different pages. You’re discussing legality. I’m discussing the tactics, purpose, and morality. Obviously I know that under the law, what they’re doing is legal. That’s not my point. My whole point is that if you don’t ACTUALLY have concrete evidence, don’t act like it. Treat it like an ongoing investigation and keep investigating instead of trying to fish for quick convictions for whatever reason.
0 likes@Watermelon Man I think your approach is naive, there are instances where an investigation road blocks with needing an explanation from the accused - due to inconclusive physical evidence, or witness testimony. Underneath the legality of interrogations is faith that innocent people won't, cant, be proven guilty of something they did not do. A strong alibi, a complete lack of physical evidence, cell phone records, etc. Does that happen, sure but rarely (should never happen). The risk of course is that without a means of applying some psychological stress, many murderers would never confess to their crimes, and be released, and able to murder again
0 likesI will ask again, what would you replace interrogation with?
@mollkatless Again, we’re on two separate pages. You’re speaking as if this is the last resort to keep this investigation going. It’s been a couple days and I’ve since flooded my brain with tons of new information so my memory of this video is a little foggy, but I’m fairly certain that this man was arrested and interrogated the same day the crime happened so it’s very fresh and open to many outcomes, but this officer was lazy and rushing to get something since he didn’t even review the evidence yet. Also, you’re speaking broadly. I’m speaking about specific situations like in this video. Obviously, the more severe the crime is, you have more pressure to catch the perp so you want to do it as soon as possible to prevent more crime. However, these were robberies I believe (again, it’s been a couple of days). And I made it clear in my last comment that the issue isn’t with the practice of interrogation itself, it’s with the tactics used within the realm of interrogation because in all honesty, if you have evidence that clearly points to someone but isn’t concrete, I can let that warrant for this kind of treatment. There is no valid reason to press a person for information you have already in custody and charged on the day of the crime before you even reviewed any evidence. There’s no threat of reoffending if the person is in a cell. The evidence clearly exonerated this man, so the interrogation shouldn’t have even taken place.
0 likes@Watermelon Man we will have to agree to disagree. You act as if the interrogation is superfluous, and I am saying in some cases it is the make or break
1 like@mollkatless Well that’s okay. Everyone doesn’t have to agree. I still appreciate the civil discussion here. At the very least I have taken away that sometimes you have to do more than most would deem necessary to get to the truth and the issue just lies with where every places that line of what’s considered necessary. Thanks again for maintaining civility in this encounter.
0 likes@Watermelon Man what?! I was civil? What came over me, oh well, now I know better for next time ;) take care
1 like@ian ian the guy you're replying to isn't saying the black/white guys are acting like that BECAUSE they're their races, they're just using the terms to identify between them lmao
0 likesyou're absolutely right, being black does have nothing to do with this at all. but that's not what they were suggesting in the first place either
@ann Well then, enlighten me. What is it that the above posters were suggesting in the first place?
0 likesFirst case doesn't the bus have cameras? The man even point out to the evidence and that incompetent cop keep saying that from the evidence I have.... Second now à days the phones have gps working even when it is not connected for sure that the service network can fetch the signal. It is incomprehensible how these cases can happen. The FBI can recover sms files photos in fact a good hacker can help.
0 likesWait who’s Innocent and whos not?
0 likesthis felt very racially motivated
0 likesI miss JCS 🥺
0 likesWhy is none talking about Justin going crazy about his innocence. I felt the worst for him. Just out of prison trying to get his life back on track and some random person decides to ruin his life.
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A lot of people are talking about that
41 likesI haven't seen the entire thing yet, but it almost sounds like a setup.
25 likesWhen he said she was proven to lie on the stand and Justin mentioned that she's gotten her ex arrested for domestic violence, sounds like he attacked her and now they're both blaming it on Justin for some reason.
If that even happens to me, Lord save the investigator
1 like@Corvidae i just read that apparently justin slept with candy, and candy’s boyfriend got angry and beat her in the house (he was on house arrest from the domestic charge i guess) and they tried to pin it on justin. not sure if that’s true tho
7 likes@d Does sound like a probable scenario for sure.
11 likesMore like, save those who falsely accused him
1 like@nothingmuch* you are definitely not over the age of 16
4 likes40k naah this guy got a great payout
0 likesYou could see his anxiety ramp up. I don't think he had a good time in prison. I felt really bad for the guy.
1 likeI would ask to see the video tape.
0 likesMichael should have received at least a million!
0 likesGood to hear the investigators were demoted. This is terrible
0 likesWhy isn't the investigator in the last video not show? Hiding his identity?
0 likesThat 2nd guy, the girl "candy" who picked him out of a lineup should be thrown in jail for the same amount of time he did for making shit up and getting an innocent man put in jail.
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I suggest you learn about Jennifer Thompson and Ron Cotton, very interesting stuff
6 likes@Lindsey prolly the luckiest guy alive.
24 likesAnd no. You cannot expect everyone to forgive like he did.
Not a great idea. If you do this, no witness will ever point someone out if they arent 100% sure out of fear for mistaking someone and going to jail instead.
26 likes@Gurken Gerd is picking someone out of a lineup just an American thing? I don’t recall ever seeing it being used here in the UK.
70 likesYou’re right that people wouldn’t want to pick anyone if they aren’t 100% sure out of fear of being wrong, but that’s exactly why it’s a stupid process in the first place. If they can’t be 100% certain there’s no point in doing it surely?
@Gurken Gerd doing this is NOT realistic. As the person falsely accused will be going in for sexual assault. But misleading a jury is a far more lesser crime.
37 likesThat being said, eyewitness should be considered less important and given less weight in an assault case, because DNA, and other hard evidence is, although not perfect are pretty rigorous.
@Gamunu Bandara Oh of course not, I just think it's an interesting story
2 likes@Lindsey yup it’s. And they both are incredible human beings.
1 likeGurken Gerd The “falsely accused” part and the fact that her testimony came apart on the stand makes this different than a regular person picking someone out of a lineup. Fraud and lying to police is supposed to be punishable.
6 likes@Gurken Gerd you would still have to prove that the innocent intentionally lied
0 likes@Gamunu Bandara here's the problem: What if all the eye-witnesses are the friends of a person that hates you?
5 likes@noreal namelol brother mine, that’s why I said it should be given less weight.
0 likesBut you know that will probably not happen considering she’s a woman they can accuse a random white or black guy for assault etc and divorce men and take half our money but no we can’t do that to them It’s just the harsh reality of life
2 likesnah, sexist justice system
1 like@Gurken Gerd you'd rather innocent people go to jail because the victim is 30% sure and has a justice system pushing them for a suspect? Sounds like justice to me....
1 like@Gamunu Bandara yeah, Im pretty sure I wouldn’t forgive that person because If I were in that situation my life would be ruined….something like that can’t go forgiven, it’s just impossible for me
1 like@Luke S pretty much just an American thing. The justice system in the US is fucked. In the UK, eyewitness testimony is at best only supportive evidence, as it has been proven to be extremely unreliable. There are many examples in the US of people being jailed on eyewitness testimony alone and then later proven to be completely innocent.
0 likes@Gurken Gerd there's a difference between mistakenly picking the wrong person out of a lineup and intentionally lying and making up a story about them to get them in trouble. That should be punished with jail time.
0 likes46000 for 3 days in jail. Yessssssss. Yessssssss
1 likePlease tell me he sued for a mass amount of money
0 likesproof that this isn't just a problem in the US
0 likesIt’s tough to get the innocent off.
0 likesI think the first guy is so calm because he truly believes nothing bad would happen to him, whereas the second guy can't be sure and knows how bad the situation will be if he has to go back to jail.
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Yeah spot on
7 likesIt's actually amazing the difference between, "we have an eye witness" and "we have you on video tape". Eye witness is your word against theirs, and once an investigator signals that they believe the witness over you, you're fucked. The tape, we tend to believe, will always show the truth and no one can argue with it. So being told it was "caught on tape" must have a calming effect.
10 likes@🪐🌛 why do you disagree? This makes a lot of sense.
0 likesNot a normal reaction though, even calm people 99 times out of a hundred flip out when accused of a crime in this manner.
0 likesHad they looked at actual evidence better this interview wouldn't have even been necessary though.
Truth truth truth truth as he sits there lying and lying trying to badger him into a confession. I am all about supporting the system but ppl like this cause the distrust that is there.
0 likesThis woman 'Candy' had a man incarcerated for 2 YEARS with just her words. Nothing more. I wonder what her punishment, if any, was..
0 likesCrying for these people man. Over some he said she said shit.
0 likesClearly Michael was guilty of being tall and black when he should have been short and white to make the cop's job easier. Yes, why didn't they ask the bus driver like Michael suggested?
0 likesI love a happy ending
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Didn't expect you here but cool.
31 likesThai massage???
28 likesMe too but sometimes I don't have the 20 dollars
16 likesSeeing ur comment was like seeing a weird crossover
8 likesPause
1 likeI was looking for this exact comment, GG
2 likesYou are very late to this
1 likecouldn't be the US
1 likeIn this video we will be getting unlawfully arrested and have the interrogators choose our pokemon teams
5 likesafter binging all the videos on this channel, this one was much needed and a good one to end the night on.
3 likes@Carlos Morales that is hilarious thank you for saying that it made me smile.
3 likesIdk. I still wanna curse that interrogator out.
1 likeWho doesn't?
1 likeNot for the other innocent dude who spent two years in jail for no reason
1 likeFr yo
0 likes@r alot of us just now getting the recommendation
1 likeShort and sweet. Earned money, other guys demoted. Mwa.
1 likeUnluckly life is not a fairytale and most of the times theres no happy ending
1 likeSup checkmark
0 likesme 2
0 likesI was wondering what this meant, when I read it before I finished the Video.
0 likesVideo watched: „Hell yeaha, vouch dis!"
Not exactly a happy ending, imagine if there is no other person come in to look into this, that guy is 100% gonna be scapegoat for this crime he didn't do, because when the police already go over the line with suspect, they have to pay for the inconveniences it cause to the innocent, but if they just jail him, cost less, job done, and promotion as well.
3 likes😳
0 likesNo such thing
0 likesMy guy
0 likesWhat the heck? QuickGG what are you doing in here?!
0 likesGrow up
0 likesEven in this, which is probably the best case scenario for how it could have turned out, I would hesitate to call it a "happy ending".
2 likes- the guy had to spend 3 days in jail
- he had another 9 months of restrictive bail conditions (including a curfew) until prosecutors finally dropped all charges
- he tried complaining to police, but was not provided with a complaint form. Only after complaining to a civilian commission were charges laid.
- the trial took almost 8 years to be resolved - hardly something you want to have hanging over your head, and constantly have to be worrying about for almost a decade.
- over that time he seems to have accumulated over $80,000 in legal expenses (lawyers are expensive). Presumably this was mostly paid out of pocket until the trial when this was part of the judgment awarded to him. That's a helluva lot of costs to accumulate, not to mention all the income lost devoting hundreds of hours to the case.
- in addition to the legal fees, he was awarded $25,000 in general damages, $11,200 in special damages and $10,000 in punitive damages.
- the officers were docked 3 days pay. when put that way it's rather more underwhelming than saying they were "punished and suspended".
- I can't find anything actually confirming they were demoted. in fact, one of them was actually PROMOTED to Sergeant in the intervening years. One of the four officers died, and his estate was absolved of any legal liability in the case.
- The Sergeant mentioned above continued to maintain even after the case and judgment completely exonerating Michael Dixon, that he had made the right decision.
https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-story/2205346-judge-rakes-cops-over-the-coals-for-wrongful-arrest/?li_source=LI&li_medium=YMBII&li_pl=67&li_tr=YMBII
https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2011/05/26/police-have-learned-lessons-chief.html
@siukong no ones reading all that..
1 like@Brandon People willing to watch a 20+ minute video about interrogations will be willing to spend an extra minute or two reading some extra facts about the case.
2 likes@siukong im willing and appreciative,.. but also doesn't mean i will lol could be the adhd
0 likesThat's what she said
0 likesWhy didn’t they ask the bus driver or the passengers on the bus if he was on there? Or not take him in at all? He literally didn’t even fit the description..
0 likesI'm wanting help, is anyone here a professional who can point me in the right direction? I'm in fear of my life and not sure what to do. It's a long complicated story but I know I'm innocent and others are guilty. My 2 therapists believe me as do my family and 2 close friends, a 3rd is skeptical. Please help me someone
0 likesWhat happened to all the videos!?!?
5 likesthat piece of crap detective just lied to get any easy arrest? wtf.
1 like"We have a video tape."
9075 likes"Oh, perfect, just review the tape."
"No, I-it-it's why w-we have n-no doubt about your guilt."
Real convincing dude.
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Something similar happened to a friend of mine recently. Police had "guaranteed proof" that he had been filmed comitting a crime. He fought tooth and nail to get them to show him the footage, and when they eventually did, it turned out the quality was so low you couldn't possibly recognize anyone from the video. I find it abslutely disgusting that detectives are allowed to make up loads of bullshit to get people to confess, but ohwell. At least the dude in this video got really good compensation for the detective's incompetence.
1059 likes@guiguismall1 yup that shit should be illegal
244 likes@ella elise sadly it's not, interrogation and detectives are allowed to make as much false evidence as they wany
111 likesThat's how Canadian police work. They lie to your face, just to get a conviction.
55 likesAsk to see the tape. If they don't show you the indisputable tape evidence, that's when you know it's BS. "I want my lawyer". The tape will be viewed when the court convenes in the morning. If it doesn't get lost in the sauce before then that is.
50 likes@guiguismall1 my cousin had that happen to him police said they had pics of him and videos all were to low quality for anybody to even recognize them. Worst thing is we lived in a small town so all the cops were together in on it. Turns out it was somebody he knew they was trying to get to and they had to let him go.
31 likesBruh this comment is getting likes faster than effing Rick Roll
6 likes@Slade Grey Same in US. Probably most places. Why you shpuld never even speak to them. Am I free to go? What am I being charged with? When can I see a lawyer?
24 likes@Rick writes then they get aggressive and try and "detain you" next thing you know you on the news for being shot for resisting arrest. Smfh
11 likesThat's actually part of what happened during the interrogation of George Zimmerman. But of course because the fucking trash in the White House at the time said "tRaYvOn CoUlD hAvE bEeN mY sOn", the local democrats tried to railroad a guilty verdict.
5 likes@SAM BRICKELL Sounds like the Georgie Floyd, just keep showing the pinning him down bit for a few weeks till the riots start, then quietly release the entire incident.
0 likesWouldn't want people making up their own minds as to whether he requested every action they took now would we 🤷🏼♂️
“There’s- there’s a number of witnesses”
14 likes“Great!”
“One of whom had a video camera”
“Perfect!”
That whole exchange was brilliant. How could anyone watch this interrogation and think this guy commited the crime lmao
this is why you NEVER talk to the police. if they want to talk its because they dont have what they need to hold you. ALWAYS ask for a lawyer immediately.
6 likesI loved that moment, u got the time stamp?
0 likes@Lou Dont even talk without a lawyer. Ask fir an attorney off rip.
1 likeIt’s almost as if they didn’t wanna go off again to find the actual culprit, though they knew damn well the dude they “caught” didn’t commit the crime.
6 likes@Merc06 awesome "detective" work, wouldn't you say?
3 likes@somerandom nameorsomething being a paralegal and having lived with a criminal defense attorney, you never talk to police. They are not your friend and only want a confession and conviction.
4 likes@ella elise remember they can do what they want to try and get proof out of them. And plus if they say “we have pure proof” the person who responded confidently and positively Leo makes it look better for the person being accusated
0 likes@guiguismall1 Police do it for personal gain as the video mentioned in 16:57 . Police think of themselves, they dont care if your really guilty or innocent. They are the primary enemy of the people
0 likesThe algorithm have blessed your channel.
1 likeas a male yeah as a women its inocent until proven guilty but even then they look for evidence to mitigate it or even get them out of the crime
1 likeWho is the Justin guy? Anyone have a link to an article explaining his situation and result?
0 likesWhat a satisfying ending
0 likesThe officers being suspended and demoted isn’t enough. They should’ve been fired permanently.
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they should have been put in jail
161 likesWas just gonna say that^
26 likesPut them in the void
10 likes@Closed Loop Music yeah I don’t know what they were thinking, this should be enough for serious jail time even
28 likesWatch Lackluster's YouTube channel for government transparency and police accountability stuff. It's pretty enlightenment.
1 likeThrown in prison
1 likeThese guys are so bad at their job literally putting innocent people in jail and imagine how many dangerous people they let go
35 likesI'm surprised anything was done at all...
11 likes@F L send them to the shadow realm
1 likeYou’re 100% right! The cops who arrested the white guy and imprisoned him for TWO YEARS falsely, should be in jail! :)
2 likesEven when people are awarded a settlement, cops need to have their pensions penalized not the taxpayer. Even if the cops are fired, they get rehired in the next precinct. Furthermore, they have their own cop friends as the internal investigators for any wrong doing.
3 likesNot really necessary unless the guy ended up in jail for years because he was falsely accused of robbery even though he didn't do it then, yes, the cop deserved to be fired permanently and thrown into the jail for as many years as the guy went through.
0 likesImagine all of the people that they've put away while being innocent..
0 likesEven when fired, they typically move to a different county and attain employment there
0 likes@Alexander Chess Nice bait.
0 likesCops never see justice for their crimes. It's a fact of life. The system is corrupt.
4 likes@Alexander Chess he didn't get punished because he was using so-called 'tactics' but because the suspect wasn't treated decently, which violated the suspect's rights
3 likes@James W - that’s the summary of the past year.
0 likesYou’d have no police left
0 likes@Charles G He was sent to jail for 3 years because he broke into a house before, then he was falsely accused but was not sent to jail bro.
0 likesSeriously, they don't even check to see if he even matches the damn description?!?
0 likes@rAnDoM nAmE you sure? I thought it said he did end up going back for 2 years, cant watch it again rn though
0 likesand barred and blacklisted from ever having any law enforcement or security career
1 likeTWO YEARS! DAMN
0 likesid take 46k for 3 days in prison
0 likesSo they caught this girl lying on the stand and the guy she was accusing still got 2 years? Thats screwed up dude
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and she most likely got away with it too
0 likesSo this is the incident of racial profiling because if you would notice when interviewing the black man they were very aggressive in adamant that he committed this crime but when the white man was interviewed he got belligerent and very aggressive and the investigator was very calm and I’m assuming the reason why this black man acted the way he did is because he knew he was getting racially profiled so the way he thought to get out of the situation it’s a Be compliant as possible and even try to find the person who did this so he can be in the clear the white man has no worries about the police because he know he doesn’t he didn’t do this and he knows that they can’t do anything until they have Harcourt Evidence because I am 100% sure that if the black male was acting that way they would’ve put him in handcuffs in charge him with failing to comply with officers and resisting arrest
0 likesDude, props to Michael for keeping his cool. I'd be crying like a baby out of panic and fear.
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@Jeagerist The video did mentioned how both cases ended, Michael's case is told at 20:10 to the end of the video
7 likes@Jeagerist omg Fr? Even after they proved she lied?
2 likes@Jeagerist I would respond the exact same way tho. He already served time and was cleaning up his act just to get imprisoned on false charges due to his history. I would be fucking pissed as shit. There was no "acting calm" for Justin. They were going to throw him in the cell from the get go away because he had a past. Crappy fucking justice system is what it is.
2 likesAt least glad he got exonerated and the officers were demoted
0 likesnever talk to the police...ever...
0 likesHorrible thing is that once you are charged in the US it never goes away. That charge stays on your record forever even if it was dismissed. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t do it. You can request one removal of one charge in your lifetime. So if you had multiple charges at the time of your arrest you are screwed. What if it happens again and you already did your one removal? Not likely, but what if? It can and sometimes will come back to bite you.
1 likeInnocent until proven guilty.
0 likesDispatch: “Yea we’re looking for a small white male with hair”
2607 likesCops: “Yea we found the big tall bald black guy, we’re brining him in right away”
Dispatch: “But I sa….”
Cops: “Nope, we got him”
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Bruh
16 likes😂
6 likesIt's like...straight out of a south park episode.
132 likes🤣🤣🤣
4 likesJFC this cop needs to be fired.
25 likesCOP thoughts - the dudes black. that's all the evidence I need! Lock him up!!!
61 likesLater that night COP watches news and sees BLM protesters and can't figure out why those people are so upset....
@FlaviusMaximus1967 Dude is not even black yet you have to bring your politics into it.
4 likes@Valnera that dudes black man
51 likesYou must need glasses
@Valnera Not black? You watch the video????
13 likes@Valnera It was the first thing brought up as a mistake the COP made. Short white guy is reported to have robbed a store. They pick up a large black man and arrest him. Racism, plain and simple. Not my politics just an observation.
32 likes@Shampoo yes.
0 likesThat sounds like a family guy episode haha
1 likeThe Zodiac escaped because the same thing happened: the cops were busy with a black man while the Zodiac was still nearby
6 likesIt’s no wonder he got suspended and demoted.
3 likesDamn, this blew up in less than a day 😂
1 like@Amanda Alexandre great point
0 likes@Gab Gotti That’s YouTube for ya 😂
0 likesIt's sickening.
0 likes@channel name Valnera is the cop. Lol
2 likes@Maxie Karn mate, it's a .5 second google search to find out the full details of the case. Spoiler alert, he was not a southern Italian man.
3 likes@Maxie Karn oh, wait. Were you talking about OP? Didn't actually notice his profile pic until I was leaving this page. Lol
0 likes@Jeff -66 The reason they abjectly lied to him about his guilt being unquestionable is because of an interrogation method called the futility technique.
0 likes@Shampoo faxyo
0 likes@Shampoo it’s almost like South Park commentates on real life issues 👀
0 likes@FlaviusMaximus1967 funny how people somehow someway equate RACE and Politics like it’s bread and butter. That’s how you know
1 likeDoesn't he look more brown than black.
0 likesFolks need to learn the following. "STFU. Don't talk to the police." Invoke the 5th amdnt rights, and ask for an attorney.
0 likesDude that’s in freaking Canada! Jesus
0 likesReport said the thief was tom Holland, so we arrested Dwayne Jhonson
0 likesPeople need to stop talking to the police without an attorney.
0 likes"I'm not trying to give you a hard time" says the innocent man in a calm and sweet tone as he is being wrongfully accused of robbery and knowing he might spend the night on jail. Is this the nicest dude ever?
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I was amazed at how calm and collected he was...I'd have freaked out and paniced.
62 likesThis probably is the best definition of this meme, where the dog sits in a burning room, while smiling and saying "This is fine"
74 likesYes.
1 likeHe's Canadian
35 likesThe joy of being black in police custody. That’s all I could think comparing the two. And the second guy languished in jail for 2 years because he made mistakes in the past. It’s like you can never escape that past regardless of how hard you try.
27 likes@andsoitgoes What on earth are you talking about?
5 likes@Hold the Mayo Please Oh yeah, I thought he was staying the opposite. No I agree with him
2 likes@Hold the Mayo Please true! Preconception is an ugly thing...
1 likeI would do the same tbh. Logic and reason is very helpful, and if you live using reason, you have no choice but to use it in your most dire times. It's the only thing that's helped you so far.
0 likesWhat a shitty police department. Then I realized it's bri'sh so I guess that's why.
0 likesWhere’s his lawyer?
0 likes$46k for 3 nights work. Not bad.
1 likeI hope this police officer was fired
1 likeI feel for Justin when he says he's shaking and stuff. He knows, from past experience, what he's facing in prison and the fact (FACT!) these cops are going to do everything they can to put him back in there. He loses two years to this false accusation. Candy is a real pos.
3696 likesThe difference in response from Michael is he doesn't know, doesn't really know, what he's facing from jail and from the police.
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I agree. Micheal has no idea what is in store if he ends up in jail
91 likesShe should have to do double the amount of time he lost to her false accusations
126 likesRemember that she was abused by her boyfriend who if I understood correctly knew Justin on some level, I'm pretty sure it was his idea to shift the blame... 😬 Candy wouldn't have any motive to lie about it really, so it makes sense that the guy told her to do it
30 likesEdit: made a new comment but because people are just stupid, here's my explanation for "making up" a story to "defend" Candy as someone said... JUSTIN said Candy's boyfriend had been convicted of domestic violence previously and JUSTIN said he knew that the boyfriend was the one who attacked Candy and they're shifting the blame on him so that the boyfriend wouldn't get caught for it. This was all said in the interrogation by Justin so if people just actually listened... 🤦♂️ You're the perfect examples of how innocent people get convicted like this, you hear 1 sentence and then you ignore everything else just like the cops took "Justin attacked me" and then ignored everything else she said which could have contradicted her story.
@Trash King the Mighty Ruler of Garbage Town what you are saying is they both should be put to jail?
22 likes@Trash King the Mighty Ruler of Garbage Town what do you know about Candy's motives? What do you know about her relationship beyond what Justin said? Why would you invent a story in your mind to defend her? The cop said she accused him and she got shredded in court over her lies. Then you imagine it's all her boyfriend's fault. For all we know, her abuse accusations against her boyfriend may be lies, too.
57 likesDid Justin get money for punitive damages? And Candy send her azz to prison
16 likes@Joe E 🙏 preach it
1 likeEven after seeing this I feel like I'd be more like Michael in such a situation. I'm also pretty introverted. I might curse a bit and get angry, but it would be more of exasperation than defensive. Like when he got to that point of "yeah so the speed at which this is moving is concerning to me," I'd be like "holy fuck I barely remember what I have for breakfast on a given day, now I have to rely on other people paying any attention to me whatsoever?"
9 likesI think the difference also is that Michael being a beautiful black American male, knows about police brutality and can't afford to even vehemently protest his innocence like Justin, a white American. he has probably lost friends /family to police brutality & racism.
10 likes@Lilith Jesus Sure police brutality, note the sarcasm. That white guy was put in jail for 2 years even tho he was innocent, Michael was there for 3 days so yes its all about racism.
12 likesEdit: Michaels also Canadian.
He probably does know what he's facing. He's black. Black people know they're going to be falsely accused an rarely believed. Glad it worked out for him this time. But it has to be traumatizing.
3 likes@81986978 You don’t truly understand incarceration until you experience it. OP’s comment is 100% spot on
3 likesI'd be on the floor having a heart attack if some random woman falsley accused me of breaking in her home and assaulting her. Especially if her name was Candy.
7 likes@Bra d .... Yes, Michael was in jail for over 3 days (3 days!!!) before a real cop reviewed his case details. Michael was awarded $46k for this deliberate fiasco, and the loser cops were merely demoted. They should have been subjected to jail time and something on their records, like attempted murder.
10 likes@Zee King yeah, it’s too bad innocent till proven guilty isn’t the golden standard anymore.
5 likes@FissionPhoenix I'd be a fucking wreck
3 likesi have the absolute worst affliction of anxiety when interacting with those who have authority over me because of a teacher in 4th grade
so that, combined with my ASD, leads me to shut down completely (sometimes even in tears) in these situations because in my head, i fucking know, anything i say is going to make the situation worse
oh and if they yell at me? good luck ever getting a peep from me that isn't uncontrollable sobbing and incoherent begging to see my mother, my fiance, and to just go home, likely in that order, all the while curling into a ball as much as i can in my chair
@Joe E Motive. It's a very important piece of evidence.
0 likes@Lilith Jesus you're incorrect
3 likes@Lilith Jesus Justin is a beautiful White male.
6 likes@Marco Polo Nobody said he wasn't.
0 likes@YourFavSaber No, I think they hit the nail on the head.
0 likesme too
0 likes@Civil Villain DANGGG one you a real G. And two... DANGGGG
1 like@Lilith Jesus what. The black dude was in Canada. He's Canadian... Df you coming in here acting all... Unsmart...for
5 likes@81986978 more white people be falsely convicted
3 likes@MultiSweetheart6 I mean. People use the term police brutality for anything.
5 likesDude stabbed a kid and tried to shoot a cop... And get got shot in the exchange? Was he black? Police brutality. The cops are racist
(Literally happened) girl was actively trying to stab another girl with a knife and got shot by an officer who just arrived?
They BOTH were black? Police brutality. Cop was too violent and should of tried to de-escalate the situation. (When she literally was in swing of stabbing someone, like come on!)
Nah. What we got are community problems in America, we got people who can't think for themselves in America. But a racist problem? Sure there are racist people... But as whole? No.
@Zee King that’s exactly what I was thinking, he grasps the situation and obviously is slightly shaken up but he knows the truth will come to light which thankfully it did
0 likes@Lilith Jesus what are you talking about, "a beautiful black American male"? I really think he is a nice guy, but they way you put is being white means being a racist. That's super dumb. The officer was an ashole and got his penalty for it. We don't know if it was racist motivated or not. Now keep in mind it's not about skin colour for me it's about behaving and Michael seems to be pretty nice. He could be green or pink coloured. So stop putting people in categories
1 like@Marco Polo yea I mean wth is this argument, it's crazy
0 likes@Joe E... JUSTIN literally said that Candy's boyfriend has been convicted of domestic violence previously and he knows that it's been that the boyfriend attacked Candy and they're shifting the blame on him so that the boyfriend could walk free. JUSTIN said that IN THE INTERROGATION....... Oh my god you people 🤦♂️
1 like@Zenna mok I mean, I could bring up cases where police brutality was said and done, but you could google or watch the news for that. Regardless, those cases you bring up, it doesn't change the fact that police brutality is a thing and is a problem, especially for black people.
0 likesAnd because I don't want to make other replies to address your other comments, I'll do it here. Now, I know you didn't just call somebody unsmart and say in your next comment that "more white people be falsely convicted", ooh baby, the education system has failed you. That's why you don't insult people when you don't know any better, or you'll come out looking like a straight fool.
Now that I got that off my chest, the bottom line is Racism is a problem in America, and you sugar-coating it as "community problems" is expected of you. What I find hard to figure out is why do some white people want to be victims so bad. Like, I'm sure there are black people who want to trade being shot up by police unjustly with white privilege, but whatever.
@MultiSweetheart6 when people start to take real problems and real solutions and designate it as "expected of you." Really shows a lot about you.
1 likeIt shows that you don't really care about fixing issues, you don't really care about the people dying or being caught up in this fabricated race war.
The fact that you take someones opinion as "expected of you"... Is a disgusting mindset.
@MultiSweetheart6 you're just saying hallow words.
1 likeNothing you said had any substance to it.
@Zenna mok I know you didn't see any substance in my words your ignorance won't let you, but you go on and continue to live in bliss, ok😘
1 likeThat’s good because that they were suspended without pay because it’s terrible to be accused of a crime that you didn’t commit.
1 like2:56 AM??? I'd be shaking at this hour if I wasn't in bed...
0 likes13:27 "ive got nothing to gain from that" suuure
0 likesIt’s almost like pigs aren’t intelligent or good at their job... 🤔
0 likesI was fuming watching Michael Dixon's interrogation. Imagine being tackled off a bus at midnight and then at 3 am some smug detective pulls you in and tells you youre guilty of something you have no involvement with, and furthermore that you have no chance to convince him of your innocence. I would be screaming at that guy. Luckily there was a very happy ending in this case, but I'm sure that there are thousands of cases where the innocent party sees no justice at all.
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Very satisfying ending. Rare that you see cops properly disciplined for deliberately terrible behavior.
74 likesIn the US he probably would have sat in county quite a bit longer than 3 days and the investigators would not have got demoted and suspended without pay
46 likes@anddudewaslike Wouldn't say he was properly disciplined should have been FIRED.
32 likesImagine being innocent and told "we're not going to talk about guilt or innocence..." smh. You what?
33 likesPoor guy doesn't have an extravert personality. But his confidence was enough for me. I have to admit I loved when he said good, great you have video footage. I hate jagoff cops!
16 likes@Marylyn Wagner word lmao, he was like great thats actually relieving to me
0 likesthat's like the most introvert thing to do. I mean, I'm an introvert, I was in a simmilar (yet not so grave in consequences) situation, and I was not only calm, but cheerful, joking and super polite. The thing about extroverts is that they tend to mirror their surroundings - amount of stimuli that they absorb are similar to that they give back (sometimes they give back a bit more ;) ), so when accused, they fight back or try to be louder than their accuser, while introverts go with learned or patterned behaviors - they take in, save for later to process, they give out something different, based on their experience (like - be polite when talking to police, avoid agression) or give back nothing at all and shut in.
4 likesI can totally feel this guy, but that said - it takes A LOT of trust to be that cheerful. That guy must be lucky to never have been abused by the system or endangered by procedures.
@anddudewaslike well that's bkoz it was in Canada. NOT the USA where cops have zero accountability but things are soon changing and the police will be the ones afraid of citizens. You will see.
3 likesRight?! I'd be going nuts inside.
0 likes@anddudewaslike i definitely think if this happened in the us no justice would've been served
1 likeHe should have gotten way more, and it should have come from the cops' pensions
0 likes@Thyme Warp true, the cops still got off light all things considered
0 likes@anna agreed. US citizens are literally fighting the establishment of an authoritarian militarized police state. It's abhorrent.
1 likeyes, it is truly shocking
0 likesThere’s only three videos left in the channel…bummer
4 likesI am Justin and Justin is me 😂😂😂 I really need to change
0 likesWhy are the Police allowed to lie. If they want the truth they should be truthful themselves. I feel a real sadness for those who end up in prison for something they didn't do.
0 likesI use these techniques I learn to interrogate my gf on why she got regular Cheetos as apposed to flaming hot Cheetos
0 likesDispatch: "We're looking for a short white guy"
1801 likesPolice who arrest tall black guy "The evidence i have is frankly conclusive and overwhelming, so i'm not even gonna ask you if you did it"
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"all demoted and suspended without pay"
138 likesGood. This kind of consequence seems to be somewhat lacking for incompetent and reckless policing. The detective in this video deserved worse for locking up an innocent person for 3+ days.
And then the officer later asks if he did it. 🤣
10 likesI read that end quote in Trumps voice.
17 likesat what point as a society do we start to publicly execute people that fuck up in life as badly as the investigator?
7 likesNow take in the fact that this has happened and happens countless times across America. And not every wrongfully accused person is savvy enough to thwart shady law enforcement practice. They don’t care about getting the truth; they care about getting a conviction.
21 likes@anddudewaslike 100% agree with you there. Disgraceful.
4 likesThis comment made me laugh. Sounds like a south park sketch than real life!
4 likesThey wrongfully convicted a white guy in the same video and sentenced him to 2YEARS in jail.
8 likesRacism is all bias and projection at this point.
@JKL
7 likesWhat an accurate sample to base your entire worldview on. Racism can’t exist because of two people in a YouTube video!
@Trent Hastings
3 likes“Racism is all bias and projection.” You’re free to tell me what that means then
They just followed the script. The detective was likely not even among those who made the arrest. At this point in time maybe didn't even know what the dispatch said. And their script is to always tell the suspect they know everything, in the hopes that the suspect will then start talking. They do this to absolutely everyone they arrest. It's standard procedure.
0 likesWhat a satisfying ending aaaaahhhhh
0 likesThe best
At least a fairly satisfying end
0 likescouldnt have ended better tbh
0 likesThat's why you should never talk to police regardless of the circumstances. It can never go good for you only bad. And they don't play fair, they lie.
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*never talk to detectives in interrogation rooms
0 likesFriendly reminder: Don't talk to cops. There is NOTHING to be gained. Especially if you are innocent. Everything you say can and will potentially be used AGAINST you. Even if you are absolutely sure, one wrong chosen word can be your downfall. Just don't do it. Please.
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Or if they find any discrepancies in what you tell them, they will just say you lied to investigators and either add that as a charge or use it to argue your guilt if they can’t prove anything else. Judges and juries fall for that all the time.
132 likes@SubjectivelyStan They didn't with Casie Anthony. She lied nonstop for days.
32 likes@James Henry You can’t compare the Casey Anthony case with any other case in existence because there’s no case that’s like hers.
49 likesSome people wonder why bystanders of the crime doesn't call the police immediately.
60 likesBecause shit like this could happen.
Agreed. ACAB
28 likes#acab
12 likes@James Henry most of us can’t afford attorneys like Baez though, or wouldn’t be lucky enough for them to want to represent us pro-bono (probably pro-boner in CA’s case)
8 likesYuuup. Don’t talk to them. Nothing can be gained.
5 likes@Bowie E Agreed. ACAB, y'know?
8 likesAlways
Chilling
At the
Berries.
@lubdub lubdub I know a police officer who's parents were married when he was born, so perhaps not ALL cops
9 likesTHIS. All you say is your name and your place of residence. THAT'S IT. The answer to any other question will be "I want my Lawyer." A Lawyer has the tools and know-how to force an examination of security footage, for instance - something which would have seen the first man freed immediately.
20 likesThis is how they do it, and they don't care if you're actually guilty or not - most of the time, a conviction is a bonus on their paycheck or reputation, and they will do anything to try and get you to confess, falsely or not, and if that doesn't work they will take apart your statements and twist them until they resemble an admission of guilt. You could be explaining how something isn't possible using a hypothetical, and they will use that hypothetical as evidence. YOU CANNOT WIN.
Simply say, "I am invoking my 5th and 6th Amendment rights (in the USA). I have nothing to say to you and I want an attorney immediately." Then kick back and take a little nap until the lawyer arrives. They'll probably keep jawing at you for a few minutes but just ignore anything they say.
9 likesWithout a doubt
0 likesLesson of all these vids indeed.
2 likesNot. One. Word.
@Mr. Groovy true
0 likes@stellar really? if you search a little you will find plenty of cases reminiscient of CA's, both men and women. Difference being, men can get away if they got the power and influence, women just by "virtue" of having a set of internal sex organs.
0 likesThe police will never EVER use a suspects words to defend him in court, they will only and always use anything the defendant says against him in court. if a crime is serious enough to go to court, let the judge, jury and lawyers sort it out. The police will never be on your side.
1 like@James Henry there’s a big difference between Michael and Casey Anthony, two really
0 likesLawyer up first chance you can and say zip
4 likesCALL MY LAWYER
0 likesnever talk to a cop without a lawyer. if you are not involved, just walk away.
1 likeMy buddy is a defense attorney graduated from Duke Law, and he said he can't possibly imagine a scenario where it's a good thing that his client talked to the police.
5 likesSo greatful I’m in Scotland n my request for a lawyer would be met within a few hours at most.
0 likesyea case 2 wouldnt of had that happend when he simply said i want a laywer and i refuse to talk about things that dont include me.
0 likesFunny you say that, right in the side bar in the recommended section there's the video "Don't Talk to the Police" by the Regent University School of Law. Great watch and I recommend everyone give it a watch too
1 like@MildlyIntoxicated_ you do realize that section is user specific and catered towards you?
0 likesTHIS video is the perfect example of what goes wrong with the Justice system. For anyone who says "If you did nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, then there is nothing to worry about when the police interrogate you." Or people who say "If you've got nothing to hide, then you won't mind the government watching you, reading your emails, getting you on camera, searching your car, searching your home, etc."
1 likeThe justice system is first and foremost to protect the INNOCENT, and only then is it supposed to prosecute the GUILTY.
@frossbog I wouldnt even say the first part. Just say " I'm not speaking to you, I want my lawyer." Otherwise literally don't say anything else. Not a single word other than that phrase. Also, this is paramount to remember, is that the police will lie to you, try to provoke you, and try to be nice to you to build a rapport. Realize that everything, everything they say to you is calculated to manipulate you into breaking down and talking to them. Stay strong. They'll likely try to mess with you by cranking the AC or tightening your cuffs or cuff you to the wall in a stress position. Remember all of that is better than talking to them.
1 like@Gavin Vasquez "I want a lawyer". Done
0 likesGood lord some investigators are fucking incompetent.
0 likesLmao the funny part is that all these comments are talking about innocent until proven guilty but I guarantee less than 5% of you are consistent with that.
0 likesnow i know why this channel is shut down. it took me three viewings of this video. but now i know
0 likesshe probably picked him cuz he was her ex boyfriends friend
1 likeAlmost everyone is talking about Michael (who to be fair was extremely intelligent and interesting to watch) but hardly anyone is talking about Justin. He was innocent, however he had to spend two years for a crime he didn’t commit. People who aren’t as patient and intelligent as Michael would fall right into the trap, like poor Justin. Hope he got justice in the end…
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Dude gets out of prison, sleeps at his mom's house, wakes up and is falsely thrown back in. Fuck the justice system.
423 likes@John Nadeau ^this.
14 likes@Kassassin Prawn Canada not America.
21 likes@Kassassin Prawn are you sure my guy, the white dude had it worse, and he spoke out, the black dude got 46K for that interaction when the white dude got 2 years in jail, the black dude didnt speak out because the video literally said he was an introvert and turned down a promotion offer because he was scared of public speaking, the dude was obviously not a fan of talking to people as much as others, so why would he want to raise his voice, like come on dude, are you delusional or something?
85 likes@Kassassin Prawn Michael is in Canada. -_-
14 likesThis shit happens way more than people realize
17 likes@Lisa E that may be true but our justice system is worse than Canada's
12 likes@Tug Boat I agree with that!
0 likesLP
0 likesI took note of this as well, I guess because Michael was so incredibly chill. Anyone who knowingly makes false allegations against someone should face prison time! We have an issue in America where you are no longer presumed innocent until guilty, you are guilty until proven innocent! This is a horrific stance..I’d rather a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison.
19 likes@Lisa E Canada is still America.
6 likesWhat did Kassassin Prawn say anyway? He deleted his comment, and I’m really curious now
5 likes@Lisa E USA specifically is one of the worst places to live on earth, when it comes to the justice system.
4 likesJustin is white.
1 like@Sebastian Hansen not even close. It may be corrupt, but it's no where near the worst. Most of the world is an extremely fucked up place.
11 likesThe world in general is a fucked up place. Period.
1 like@T just because his comment isn't showing doesn't mean Kassian deleted it, if the comment was reported too many times it just automatically gets deleted by YouTube servers or even the video uploader could have deleted it for whatever reason he wants
2 likes@Misguided Angel The point was that his comment wasn’t there and I was curious as to what it was. Although some of that information you gave me were things I didn’t know, so I appreciate it.
2 likesRIGHT LIKE WTF PEOPLE. Did he even get compensation and did that b candy go to jail for the false accusation. She should be +++++ jail time
1 like@T no worries, I understood what your point was, that his comment was no longer there, I was just letting you know there are more seasons then "he deleted it" for why it's no longer there. As far as what his comment was, looking at the replys, I'm gonna assume he said something about the US system being unfair to Michael, most likely even racist and then everyone replied "Canada not the US", since Michael's case took place in Canada.
0 likesPlease re upload your videos, you are the original
0 likesThis world is ripe to eat you whole. It doesn't matter who you are if you're accused you better damn well believe they're going to try and lock you up. Eff the system!
0 likes46000 gladly would take the 3 days off work to have pigs pay me
1 likeGood end.
0 likesVery good.
That cop that lies about video is the absolute worst. He doesn't even entertain the fact that the suspect could be innocent. He didn't even listen to the description of the criminal from the 911 call.
1890 likesComplete ineptitude and wilful ignorance are two of my biggest pet peeves.
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Also think about the time that was wasted on interrogating an innocent man that could have gone towards finding the real criminal!
87 likesTo be fair, saying that their
8 likesIs evidence may bring out a confession
@Trashmammal Also dispatch calls rarely get 100% of the info correct so officers need to find out on their own. For example, just watch any Cops/Live PD episode.
6 likes#racism
12 likes@Mike bruh
4 likesI hate that guy. He is terrible at his job lol
5 likes@Trashmammal Just to fill a quota? Why is there a freaking quota anyway? To let shit like this happen? Who cares if he's innocent, right? Gotta get my promotion. So let's lie and get him into jail, so I can buy a car.
9 likes@LordKeiferton but… they were trying to find out if he was guilty in the part I explained. The rest of the parts I can understand where you’re coming from…
1 like@Mike Yeah, everything is racist. Everything. You need help.
1 like@Bri yep. My friend pointed out that I’m a Jew and I murdered him cause that’s racist
0 likes@Ashley Lake I’m deaf, dumb, and racist.
0 likes(You didn’t understand my comment did you)
@Ashley Lake I was talking about the main subject, they guy with an orange beard, dummie. OHhHh no I got called racist by “Ashley” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
0 likesThe demotion and no pay is deserved.
0 likesAnd it took over 72 hours for a SEPARATE investigator to get him out. Clearly this investigator didn't do shit for 3 days while an innocent man was being more than mildly inconvenienced in a jail cell. But 46k for 3 days of my time is a deal I'd take any day! Haha
5 likesHe totally missed the "Innocent until proven otherwise" 😭
2 likes@Trashmammal False confession if the cop is lying
0 likes@TheWelshToast what
0 likes@Bri no but the fact that he was not only lied to by his interrogator but also did not fit the description do the better yet imprisoned could infer such. Then again we were not there when he was arrested so we would not know.
0 likesIts a method they use, if ur guilty and they tell u theres a chance ur innocent, ur gonna fight waaay harder than if they say the for sure know its u. The truth game out and its also a method they use too see how the person whos getting accused reacts.
0 likes@Gabbis here agreed
0 likesExactly. He did not want to find out if the suspect was guilty, he wanted to get a confession whether he was guilty or innocent
0 likesMe, I'd have the biggest shit eating grin. I'm about to get a shit ton of money from the state depending on if they realise they f-d up in time. Damn, easy money especially if you do time.
0 likesin my apinyon false imprisonment / holding against will is equivalent to kidnapping and the cop responsible should be arested
0 likesI dont know if anyone has mentioned this yet but why is the person they use as an example the icon instead of the the person that is the subject of the story?
0 likesThat cop interrogating that innocent black guy should have been fired for utter uncompetence.
0 likesImagine all the people sitting in jail because they were pressured, not everyone will fight back
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Even worse are those who were sentence to DEATH and were later proved innocent....The USA for-profit system is especially good at locking up innocents.
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1 like@aartadventure The ebb and flow of who gets arrested seems at least in part to do with keeping the jails full and profitable. And when they are full, they let the criminals go. Little to do with justice, and people who can't afford a lawyer get easily sucked into the matrix. Then they cant get jobs and reoffend.
44 likes@A B I'm strong too : )
0 likes@aartadventure ''Especially good'' compared to who? The American system follows english common law. On top of that there's massive constitutional protections. The average citizen has more 'rights' and legal protections then most of modern world, if you were sit down and go through the protections you'd be blown away.. The 5th amendment was created for exactly this reason (you convicting yourself) and as soon as your arrested you start being informed of that important right. Through rights He was innocent in law's eyes and that cop needs him to admit this,, People are just ignorant to fact how important that right is. Nothing can be gained by talking to police in a suspect aspect - if your lawyer attempts to cite the interview its ''hearsay'' it literally only can be used against you...... Don't get me wrong the american is miles from perfect but compared to much of the world its extremely good
8 likes@Michael Phillips If the video examples shown (along with many other false US convictions, and the recent BLM movement issues) don't persuade you to think something is wrong, then I certainly won't.
22 likesBut if you are curious, I'd rather face the police and legal systems in most European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc, before the US system.
I pray my ex dont get killed cause I know I'd probably go to jail for it cause I'd be so non-chalant and show no emotion.
1 likeThe number is 7
0 likes@aartadventure the US has a class problem disguised as a race problem. The US is by far one of the least racist countries on earth.
12 likes@Michael Phillips well, European justice system works much better and protects the rights of the citizens much better. Northern European countries are infact ranked as the safest countries on Earth, compared to the high crime rates in the USA, which are the highest in the western world.
6 likes@HisWordisLife exactly. Prevention is better than the cure. Especially, preventing ex-criminals from commiting other crimes is better than re-jailing them after they did so.
5 likesThat's why in many European prisons, prisoners get an education and learn professions, so that once they leave the prison, they can easily find job as a plumber, electricist, painter or any other work.
Most crimes occur because of the criminal being poor and uneducated, most of the times unemployed. Therefore, granting better possibilities to an ex-criminal to find a job, will drastically lower the crime rates in the country. That's why re-educating criminals is better than just punishing them.
@p. f. Investing them and giving them a choice. Seems criminals in our society don't really have a choice after they have a record. I don't think pedos should be let out again' I have a hard time with that one and serial killers.
0 likes@HisWordisLife exactly. Everyone, at some point in their lives, makes mistakes. Everyone, nobody excluded. It's just part of being humans.
1 likeWhy then should we not give a second chance to those who make a mistake? We are humans, born to make mistakes.
Criminals need to be given the chance to redeem themselves, to pay for their mistakes and show that they learnt. And especially, show that they know how to avoid repeating the same mistake.
After all, Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum. Making mistakes is human, repeating the same mistakes is evil.
@p. f. I agree but some people are unable to be rehabilitated. There is a very high likelihood they will reoffend and really hurt or kill others. What can we do about that? Like pedos and serial killers...
0 likes@HisWordisLife well. they of course cannot be readmitted into society, or else they will hurt other people and themselves.
0 likesPerhaps, they could, to atleast redeem themselves and show remorse for what they did, work for free, as charity. Perhaps by a non-profit organisation that cooperates with the government and such, like distributing food to homeless and such.
Or, they could work for public benefit, like picking up trash on the streets, or even work as manpower for building streets and such. Of course, always under surveillance of guards.
After all, it's not forced labor if it is only for volunteer prisoners ;)
Prisoners get their food and stay payed by tax-payers, so it could also be a way to better invest money paid by the people via taxes.
I would
0 likes@HisWordisLife something like "you killed a man. It was a mistake, but if you feel remorse and want a way to repair the damage, you can choose to work for charity. So instead of hurting people, you'll get an opportunity to help people." While this of course won't mean that they will be free men.
1 like@p. f. I agree remember the Arizona State Prison system? Where they did hard time without cable TV or gym memberships, etc. He had them working outside all day, and living in tents. Guess what happened to the crime rate in AZ? That's right...nearly zippo. In the olden days they used to make prisoners break rock used for public roads. Now the government has found a way to make money off that industry too. I don't think they should let serial pedos out ever. To me they are worse than serial killers and their sentences are so ridiculously lenient. Their sentences used to be the Dad's of the kids or the grandpas or uncles would take them out in the woods and beat them to death. They would never find them and no one ever said anything---they just disappeared.
0 likes@p. f. They should have to work and pay the victims and/or their families back that they hurt. Reparations. For a higher debt worse labor. Proportionately. I had cars and equipment and tools stolen out of our cars and we just had to eat it. kid stole my VW Bug right after I had a new engine installed in it and he played demolition derby with it and three other teens -- he totaled my car and bc it was so old I only had minimal insurance that did not include theft. I had one payment left to pay on it too. He went to jail, but I didn't get any money.
2 likes@aartadventure can you explain what the for-profit legal system is? How it works?
0 likesI'm not an American
@Mohanad Bakain More people in jail the bigger the jail. Bigger the jail bigger amounts of tax dollars and other revenue going to it. More money in the system means more people want to keep it up and running (more convicts=more money). Those in charge want more convicts regardless of whether or not they did something wrong or right, they want bodies. That's why court rooms disgust me is because my word doesn't mean shit to them. If they want me or someone else to go to court, we'll be in Court. And unless I actually did commit it you'd better bet I'm going to fight for my freedom because I and hopefully anyone innocent watching this aren't going to accept a crime we didn't commit. But if you charge me for stealing soda in a water bottle I'm going away for a long time.
1 likeYeah. the guilty ones fight back less than the innocent ones.
0 likes@HisWordisLife How are jails being full profitable?
0 likes@Mohanad Bakain I'm not American either. But, the US prison system is owned and operated by private contractors (i.e. they make profit based on the number of people incarcerated). Since the shift from government operated prisons to private/for-profit, the US has seen the number of convicted criminals rise. Evidence points to prison companies lobbying congress etc. Police also gain promotions based on successful convictions. Also, in the US, prisoners have to buy things from the commissary from their own money - even basic items but at inflated prices. Profit is made on this too. In the USA, more prisoners = more money.
3 likes@Michael Phillips LOOOOOL
0 likes@John Be Bad The government does not run the prisons they have outsourced them to for-profit business. Our government hires them based on a contract. If they stay full the for profit enterprise makes the most money.
2 likesI was thinking the same thing! It's extremely frightening to imagine :,(
0 likes@Bigwinboard You figure if they can lie and keep you in custody you have no power if you can't afford a lawyer, so you don't want to make it worse by fighting so you just give in.. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
3 likesExactly
0 likes@aartadventure 21:08 This is from Canada.
0 likesthe American justice system does not care about facts or the truth. Their only concern is what they can get 12 people to believe! And I can prove this! A police officer is only allowed to make statements in a court of law that pertain to your guilt. If, by some extremely strange and very rare instance that they have information that would, in any way, shape or form, point to or even prove your innocents, it is considered to be "here say" and not allowed as testimony in a court of law! I mean they are absolutely forbidden to speak to your innocents unless the officer was an eye witness, and let's face it, if that be the case, you're either not charged or they're lying and you're going to prison plain and simple
1 like@Picture me trollin So why doesn't it work the other way round? When they testify when they are not there, what can they say? There testimony is hearsay as well if they weren't eyewitnesses; they should only be able to report the facts they witnessed. Is that what you mean?
0 likes@Michael Phillips Thats simply not true. Death penalty brings more risk to society than good.
1 likeI disagree. If i am accused and i have everything to lose, i would fight back with my life if needed.
0 likesI cant understand why someone behaves that way while being unfairly accused or arrested.
0 likes@P I Because if they can lie and keep you in jail seems they can do anything to you. if they are all powerful and you have none and they are not motivated by doing the right thing, they could hurt you worse. That is my logic anyway.
2 likesPoor and innocent accused =SERIOUS TROUBLE,,AY GOD BE WITH U
2 likesWho wouldn't fight for their own freedom
0 likes@Waldo47 People who feel helpless and totally controlled might worry they could do worse things if they don't cooperate.
1 likeIt's not about fighting back, its about exhibiting guilty vs innocent behaviour. Assuming no malpractice has occured during the interrogation, it is extremely unlikely for someone who is innocent to exhibit guilty behaviour.
0 likesThat's why they love pushing plea bargains. A person is essentially forced to play a game of Russian roulette, example; risk 15 years or more, or accept a plea and admit to guilt when innocent and do 3 years. Prisons have loads of innocent people housed within them. It's the crooks at the top of the power structure who most need to be there, but they (Sabbatean-Frankists) control the system via their masonic foot soldiers (cops, judges, prosecutors, AG's, etc.)
0 likes@dtak It's about both. And how people respond when they feel defeated in an impossible situation, not everyone reacts the same.
0 likes@NotitiaRecolligo yes. I didn't even think about the plea bargain nonsense; I do not think most of the prisons are full of innocent people but surely there are many. The guilty criminals will always lie and the innocent ones will tell the truth and say they didn't do it...so it is understandable hard to know for us who is telling the truth. There are too many gangs. They collaborate secretly. Masons, police officers, people who go to the same religious gatherings...not necessarily Christians.
0 likesSatanists, pagans, mormons stick together and stick their necks out for one another like that too.
Police work on numbers. They get more funding the more arrests make and convictions they get. Getting the right person isn't even their goal. It's just getting a person. Any person. Guilty or innocent, they don't care. As long as they hit their numbers, the captains get their bonuses, and the station gets it's funding - that's all that matters.
0 likes@Alto Burger That is messed up.
0 likesImagine sitting in jail bc of bullshit reasons 😢
0 likesWhat's worse than that is most people don't believe things like this happen.
0 likes@Abdul Rasyid Pangrango The matrix without benefit of a pleasant illusion.
0 likes@Biden Trump They don't want to believe we live in a world where it could happen; it is overwhelming to know it, and they feel helpless to do anything so their defense mechanism kicks in: DENIAL Plus it is nebulous and not easy to prove.
0 likesWhy your reply should never be more than one word, Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer. Never ever interact with these people who are legally allowed to lie during & throughout interview. There only interest is making a case that can convict, your innocence or guilt has nothing to do with it. Lawyer Lawyer Lawyer
0 likesThe case with the bald dude, if they are in Canada why do they have a mild British accent?
0 likesI've been in Michael's shoes, its bullshit
0 likes"cops running after a white man then ending up arresting black man" hats off to them for not seeing race
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0 likesMichael is such a polite, patient man, and my heart cried for him but even more for the 2nd man, that he spent over 2 years in jail because I could feel his emotions when he is proclaiming his innocence. It’s just so wrong, the desperation he felt came through in his voice and behavior. Just heartbreaking.
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I felt really really sorry for both of them. The second guy sounded so upset, as well he should have been. I really hope he got paid compensation too. :(
19 likesFucking beautiful outcome
0 likesPolice officers like this should not just be demoted they should be fired immediately. The could have destroyed a man's life and refused to look into his alibi. If I were to do far less than this at my job I would be let go immediately. The issue with government employees is they are normally given a great deal of power but receive no real consequence when they abuse that power. A demotion for wrongfully imprisoning a man? They probably didn't even receive a decrease in their pay or if there was one it probably took them from $80,000 a year to $75,000.
1 likeAnyone know is the officer was British or just have a speech impediment?
0 likesthat canadian detective was incredibly irritating to listen to
0 likesWitness report: "it was a short white man"
9283 likesPolice: arrest the tallest black man they can find.
Good police work there skippy.
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Copied
16 likes@Someone everybody is talking about the same thing here. It doesn't matter
255 likes@Sandra Swan Copied and “everyone is talking about the same thing” is different. This is almost word for word from the other comment. This is annoying
36 likes@MY NAMA CHEF i care, im okay if someone copies, but if they don't say who it was who wrote it first, then we got a problem.
8 likes@Riyana Gupta its the internet. You gonna track down every person that pirates a game, detective?
140 likes@Riyana Gupta Missed the chance to say Someone cares referring to the guy above
29 likesthis is america
7 likesThey actually let him go because they found a taller black man.
77 likes@Default Name bro, me have no idea what you are talking about
0 likes@MY NAMA CHEF i mean it could be a coincidence. And im not talking about this comment because that would be tedious. Everybody is thinking the same thing anyway. Im just talking overall, like if someone copies something someone worked hard on thats a problem. Not talking about a dumb yt comment. Thats what im talking about, and whoever copies something from someone should know who made it because they copied from them, so maybe you're brain is not working today.
0 likesLol "skippy"
4 likes@Someone take the L bro no one cares
10 likesAnd why does the Canadian cop have an Australian accent?
1 like@Riyana Gupta Lmao, I'm sorry I was talking to the guy above you. Clicked you by accident.
1 like@Someone wtf lol 😂🤣😂😹😹😹
1 likeExactly! And as far as the know, is this the same person they were chasing! I am so angry!!!!!!!!
4 likes@Steve Dice 💀
0 likesAlways some idiot playing “comment cop” making sure NO COMMENT STEALING ALLOWED!!!
7 likes@Sandra Swan you mean the subject matters? 🤔 (Racial profiling?!)
0 likesExcept that its an asian in this Video/case!
0 likes@ominous warning it's actually canada
1 like@Alessio Cece honestly i can't tell what my man;'s race is.
0 likesHAHAHHAHAHA
1 likeDude... Right?
0 likes@Riyana Gupta I think it's because the person's name is "someone"
0 likes@Riyana Gupta what are you going to get rich off of YouTube comment now? Give me a break and go cry about something that matters daaaamn
1 like@Riyana Gupta okay but this isn't a thread about artwork or music or any of that, people were arguing over comments being the same. Why do you feel the need to make yourself look ignorant? And annoying? Like what need do you have to be like that?
1 like@Taylor Griffith why dont u look further in the comments?
0 likes@Taylor Griffith that is you're very answer
0 likes@Someone Not everybody has comment xray eyes that can detect if their comment is already writen or not.
2 likes@Riyana Gupta people dont put copyright strikes on comments. Literally doesnt matter if its copied or not
5 likes''tallest''
0 likeshe's 6'3''...
@:D you are not that smart
1 like@Someone 57k comments and millions of views with everyone saying similar things its hound to jappen
0 likesOffisher doofy repowtingggg
0 likes@Steve Dice Yea, they found a taller an darker man :)
0 likes@Someone its just a common x: something y: something else format and unoriginality
0 likesacab 💅
0 likesBecause he was black and he was there!
1 like@John Williams he has a British accent 🤣
0 likesFound the Aussie
0 likes@Maya M I’m Australian, the cop is British, not a Aussie 🤣
0 likes@The Armchair Journalist Sounds more Australian to me.
0 likes@The Armchair Journalist oh I know, that’s what I meant - you’re Australian ☺️
1 like@The Armchair Journalist oh, you’re not OP. I just meant they are Australian with the ‘Skippy’ remark ✌🏻
0 likes@Maya M 👍
0 likesMaybe the original witness report was of a short white man that can shapeshift into a tall black man at will. I don't know man, lol.
1 like@Sandra Swan it's funny how he said "it's ALMOST word for word " and not
0 likesVerbatim!
Plus, out of 57k comments
it was bound too happen that some comments would be similar. FFS!
@Steve Dice then the found a very very tall Mexican then arrested him
0 likes@bjark don’t dial 911 💅
0 likesdont be racist, dan
0 likes@John Williams I'm pretty sure that's a southern English accent, as a southern English person
0 likes@Mikavian F Southern English is way too vague. English accents vary by town or area.
0 likes@John Williams sometimes people move to different places than they were from originally.
0 likes@John Williams I know I just don't want to give away my exact location
0 likes@Riyana Gupta wonderful but i don't see anybody asked
0 likesI don’t think it was that way because he seems quite courteous and he probably did forget to review a phone like I’d imagine I would
0 likesIkr smh
0 likes@ominous warning Canada actually
1 like@optify y are everybody in this comment blind, i said myself about other things, not this
0 likes@irfn_raziqq no one did, im not blind thank you
0 likes💀
0 likes@MY NAMA CHEF it is the internet; you’re not wrong.
0 likesHOWEVER, the act of calling out ill-intent where it lies is one of the things that keeps the world spinning. If we suck up everything-even the little things-and allow the tolerance to grow, eventually it will lead to the destruction of self and others. I don’t intend to antagonize, and I don’t agree with calling someone out for the sake of hurting them, but tolerance under the guise of expected “crime” is not a good habit; we shouldn’t look away to harm on the internet just because it’s the internet and people get harmed. It’s a vicious cycle and leads to destruction.
@:D authority figures often have the highest noticeability when it comes to injustice, but racism and all other forms of prejudice are everywhere, not only, and perhaps not even as focused as we think, in cops. I am fully against prejudice and racism, and have often struggled to find peace with the idea of corruption in authority figures, but we also have to remember that from cop to cop, entire lives, and with them, motives, are passing by. Some people go into it with a drive for power. These are most likely to be in the positions you are referring to. Others, however, seek true justice. This is the proper motive to seek a job like this, and it is hugely important that we remember that there are still good-hearted guardians in a world often dominated by corruption and hatred.
0 likes@DarthSlobbius if your definition of ill intent is stealing a witty youtube comment then I think this conversation is over
0 likes@Riyana Gupta welcome
0 likes@MY NAMA CHEF it is irrelevant what I personally believe to be right or wrong, but as a matter of individual morality. I intend this as a matter of principle, not of hurt feelings.
0 likes@Someone nobody cares if it’s annoying to you
0 likes@Sashi Yes, but I meant a as a matter of MY individual morality. In other words, I’m not trying to impose MY moral framework on to anyone else, but to ensure that they are truly seeing theirs. That could have been said clearer on my part, sorry.
0 likesOnce again, it is not a matter of hurt feelings, but rather the intent to harm or to steal in general. These are things that must stop, and, as petty as it may seek, I will speak up about it. I know there are many people who are discouraged and wish to simply overlook behavior like this. They tend to not like people like me, but I will not “get off the damn internet” just because you are guilty of quite the same thing as me in your own way-you are “wasting your time” searching and making mountains out of molehills, if you will-and appear to be unable to handle the conflicting it brings. I’m sorry if I offended you with anything I said, but in truth what I say is among the least harmful in most commenting sections. If you’re going to insist someone leave, perhaps your actions would be better suited against one that causes harm, not a petty “pretentious” fool like me.
Also, for the record, this is not a pretentious act. I’ve always been rather philosophical and morally driven, and to those with a high tolerance for injustice and pain in general I appear to be highly sensitive. I think perhaps they are right, in a world quickly losing conscience, if I must.
@DarthSlobbius literally everything you've said is strongly attempting to impose your moral framework upon others. "Speaking up about it" is exactly that. Don't disguise it as some sort of chivalrous act.
0 likesPerhaps YOUR efforts would better be spent on things that actually do harm. I don't know, not a fuckin comment section on YouTube? 😂😂
@Sashi Regrettably you are correct, but still not in the most significant way. I still have no intent to “force” my will or demands on anyone to burden them with something that is not theirs. I ask you this: do you truly believe it is right to, verbally or physically, attack someone else for unknowingly violating a boundary? This is a theoretical situation, but it presents good opportunity to bring to light universal values.
0 likesIf someone lacks all empathic capability, they are deemed ill, and massively mentally disfigured at that. In other words, there are certain moral tendencies that exist, to some degree, in every person (save psychopaths). Some have stronger moral compasses, but they are present in all of us. Values can be and are learned, but there are also core understandings we have as human beings that we all share.
Here’s the catch: they, with enough perseverance, can be unlearned. This process is becoming easier and easier in the world we find ourselves in, and so it is that you come across those who are willing to trample on others for all kinds of reasons, worst of all for selfish pleasure.
Perhaps the most obvious of the core values is to protect and do no harm to the innocent. Whether or not we wish to believe it, we are all born with an innate desire to protect purity in all its forms. This desire is weakened and deformed throughout life, but it is still a core principle that must be guarded against those who have let it become twisted and faded.
The phenomenon of the frog in the boiling pot describes well the way in which we justify horrific acts of malice toward others, either as a bystander or a the offender, or even as the victim. The point of all this is to say that, regardless of the priorities of the group, or the feelings that are hurt, these core principles cannot be violated; I uphold my belief, not because it is my own, but because it is shared deeply within all who write in this thread. Would you stand up in the face of bullying? Racism? I expect at least part of you would want to, and that is the part that desires justice and purity and peace. Listen to that voice. It is not easy to face off against a world that is attempting to strip us of conscience. It is a refined process now, and we have to be prepared to fiercely defend what we believe in, no matter what others say or what they’ll do.
This is why I defend in the most meaningless of places. This is why I do not tolerate hatred and blind rage toward anyone, and instead request calm discussion and intellectual progress. I am annoying to many, but if just one man benefits, I believe the cost is well worth it; those who don’t want to listen will move on in a matter of minutes and never look back.
Long story short, I will not leave simply because you find me annoying or superficially hurtful. Once again, I’m sorry if I truly hurt you; that was never my intent, but I will not be swayed to ignore our core principles. No one else stands up for them, so I will. I will speak up no matter who laughs, or jeers, or hates. They will always come to point fingers, but soon they will find that the are pointing at the parts of themselves they cannot bear.
I want to emphasize that I do not claim to be infallible in the slightest sense, nor do I hold any sort of self-righteous attitude toward you or anyone else. I see it for what it is: a group full of hurt and pain that neglects to defend those who cannot defend themselves. The desire for peace is ultimately a universal one, tainted by various shortcomings of the world. Don’t let that dictate the rest of life for us.
And I'm sorry that you have the personality of an annoying person. You've mentioned several times that people find you annoying, which indicates to me that you've been told that several times, and you've decided to just be yourself anyway. So, kudos for that, at the least. Right now, you're not being annoying, I'm just confused why you need to try to justify thinking that copying other people's work is so wrong when it doesn't hurt anyone (in this case), especially with so much unnecessary detail.
0 likes@Sashi people only find me annoying when there is something happening, such as any type of bullying, that I care to call out that they don’t like to hear. Otherwise, I’m pretty chill. I’ve actually been part of quite a few “cool” groups in school. They in themselves have a lot of negative tendencies, but it’s an honor… I guess lol.
0 likesIt is (much) less about the literal act of copying, and more about the mindsets and motives behind certain actions.
@Sashi ah, sorry. Didn’t see this one lol
0 likesI certainly did not place myself at any higher moral ground than any others. We all have these desires. I simply give way for others to follow, which they sometimes do. And in any case, the fact that you try to throw in my face that my words have an impact on no one is simply false. For many, it is true, but those who have hardened their hearts will not be hurt anyway. Those who wish to listen will walk away with a different perspective that they may find helpful.
@Sashi and again, I don’t know why YOU are focusing so heavily on the comment copying… I’ve said many times that is the least of concerns here.
0 likes@DarthSlobbius defending against bullying is fine, and noble. I assume you're still in high school or shortly out of it. I meant specifically this conversation; your words aren't going to impact anyone. You seem to have an infatuation with assuming that you've hurt me or others. I found that odd and had to point out that you aren't hurting anyone with your words, especially online. Copying and pasting a joke isn't some sort of bad mindset any more than repeating a joke you heard.
0 likesI do have to point out the arrogance: you say you're not posturing as morally superior, but then claim you're paving the way for others. You might think you're being humble, but a truly humble person wouldn't think or say such things about themselves. In fact, if you were to ever meet a truly humble person, you likely wouldn't notice anything in particular (CS Lewis). Your statements here resound with pride and reinforce the moral superiority. If you truly didn't believe that your opinion on this is the "better" path, you would have stated your opinion and accepted the ridicule that followed, rather than continuing to double down on how bad this is, and retracting the intent of your original comments to say that you meant other, undefined situations. That's a defensive mechanism after you realized how laughable it is to gatekeep comment copying.
I'm bringing it back to the comment copying specifically because that's what the conversation was about. 🤷♂️
@Shrigma Male Videos leave the kid alone I care
0 likes@Someone i see zero other comments like this pardon
0 likesForever immortalised in video as the dumbest & worst detective ever!
1 likeA serious threat to the community & police intelligence.
racism clogging the gears of the justice system in effect
1 like@Peri Neo doesn’t even make any sense
0 likes@ominous warning it's actually Ontario, Canada
0 likes@Shrigma Male Videos buy some brain cells
0 likesayo this is the internet no one gives credit and it doesnt matter. At the end of the day, his comment was entertaining.
0 likes@Riyana Gupta stop caring
0 likeswitnesses don't always give accurate descriptions. it happens literally all the time. nobody near the crime scene except for him after someone ran, they're going to arrest him. a shit situation.
0 likes"arrest the tallest black man they can find"
considering he was the first and only person they ran into after they cleared the alleyway means they didn't have to search very long or hard.
That is a British accent, not an Australian one.
0 likes🙄 He was the only person in the alley. I guess in your haste to label someone a racist you failed to hear JCS say that they most likely didn’t read the call logs to see that they were looking for a short white guy. Miscommunication happens and it can happen even more in fast paced situations.
0 likes@Irate Puffin so they didn’t do a part of their job? Some solid police work right there
0 likesMaddening!
0 likesAt least he got some money lol
0 likesDefund the police.
0 likesIs that a British detective?
1 likeThat so called “detective” should be fired.. not suspended.
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Exactly, should be one and done. This is just a time that they got caught doing something shitty, imagine all the things we don't see.
201 likes@TheFireBall 321 there should be no room for shit like this in the justice system. Losing your job because you’re negligent is different than a court room setting.
118 likes@Beer can Dan but you cant just assume someone is doing something
5 likes@TheFireBall 321 The fact that he's interrupting peoples lives from negligence it's a safe bet it's not the first time he's done so. suspension without pay to investigate previous work and then fire him if it's found this isn't an individual incident.
63 likes@C00kii0 sure i bet he has done it more than this one time, cant hold that against him, we aren’t 100% sure, just guessing based of what they did this time
3 likes@9k yo chill we said fired not killed
29 likes“We have investigated ourselves and found we have done nothing wrong”
21 likesFunny thing is, being demoted from detective is pretty much being fired from being a detective
3 likes@JCSpamsL2 lmao frr
0 likeshe was acting very weirdly for a inocant person tho
0 likes@_ThugNinjaSupreme _ I'm happy to hear that, i dont care about people who will ruin a mans life without a second thought
3 likes@TheFireBall 321 no there’s no room to assume in the legal system. You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody is guilty, putting peoples lives on hold,because the detective can pull fake “evidence” out of his ass is bullshit.
11 likes@Beer can Dan thats to sentence someone, cops are allowed to lie to further the investigation
0 likes@spider congrats to figuring out what an introvert is. no shit hes not acting like an extrovert.
11 likesAt best he is incompetent, at worst he is discriminating/racist
8 likesAbsolutely.
0 likes@spider do tell what you expect his reaction would be. Like the 2nd innocent guy who was an extrovert?
2 likesHe's a real scumbag. He was so embarassed about being called on his bluff that he just wanted to put him in a cell.
6 likes@TheFireBall 321 Hol' up, do you understand that somebody's life is permanently altered if they get caught arrested? The amount of damage that could be done is insane, imagine lives that could've been essentially wasted.
6 likes@Extra what does that have anything to do with what i said??
0 likesLook kid, being an investigator is a super hard and with there being a lot of different situations where you are interrogating a human. Humans are unpredictable, a human that looks innocent may be a serial killer and so the police have to make drastic decisions. So I think it’s a double edged sword where people can be wrongfully convicted, you can even get the right person. Sometimes the cops can do wrong things
0 likesAgreed
0 likes@TheFireBall 321 we should they are officers of the law they should have zero room for error these are peoples lives at risk here
0 likes@TheFireBall 321 cops aren’t allowed to tell blatant lies (ie “we have video evidence of you”) to get a confession. They can lie about a lot of things but not about specific evidence like this detective does here.
0 likes@TheFireBall 321 not to mention he didn’t have the solid evidence he claimed he had to even hold him over night. He doesn’t even fit the description, this goes beyond one officer and really shows how racist the entire system is. Over 8 police officers made the decision to arrest, interrogate, and hold this man solely bc he fit their idea of a criminal, not off of evidence. They all deserved to have consequences, and the detective is definitely more responsible for what this man went through, but it’s clear from his arrest to his release that this is a systemic issue, not an isolated one.
4 likes@TheFireBall 321 they shouldn’t be able to is the point
0 likes@Phia Yes
1 likeThe fact that he got demoted is a shame I'm sure made him wish he got fired
2 likesThat's so embarrassing
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1 likeThis incident happened in 2003. Every officer involved in this injustice has been imprisoned since then.
3 likesHe should be in fucking prison.
0 likesCops rarely face real punishment
2 likesCould agree more. What an awful person.
0 likes@TheFireBall 321 as others have pointed out the problem is they arrested this man based on the color of his skin. It's really hard to explain why multiple officers believe a tall black man is somehow the same as a short white man that an eye witness saw. They didnt investigate his alibi and ignored the clearly contradictory evidence in favor of their personal opinion. That is one and done and there should never be a second chance for a cop that ignores justice and evidence in pursuit of personal opinion.
1 like@TheFireBall 321 cops do use that logic, one told me when she pulled me over for going 5 miles over the speed limit.
0 likesprosecuted not fired......
1 like@Daniel He is.
1 like@Nick Allen They were all arrested and imprisoned. This incident happened in 2003.
0 likes@The Nameless Channel good.
0 likesthe officers voice kinda pisses me off but mostly cuz im biased against him
0 likesKandy don't have no "valuable items" lmaooo
0 likesI wouldn’t talk to the cops about the weather - why are you speaking?!?!?
0 likesthe worst part is that many falsely accused have to sign a document saying that they can’t sue for false imprisonment before they are released.
0 likeswhoever didn't tell Justin about his right to an attorney should be JAILED. There is no way one can forget to say that.
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Dunno when I had investigators come to me not a single one said I had a right to an attorney and remain silent etc
48 likes@GoogleGilbertLevinMars bro that’s illegal, like, constitutionally illegal 😭
101 likes@GoogleGilbertLevinMars you can literally get off when they don’t say that.
33 likesThis should be teached in high-school lol
4 likes@sirdrum My high school had a Legal Studies class that was optional but recommended -- I learned about my rights as a minor and then also once I turn 18. I learned that I do not need to consent to a search of my vehicle. I learned that police are allowed to lie to me but I am not allowed to lie to them. Every kid should take this class!
25 likesPretty messed up, but I don't think they need to in Canada.
1 like@MrDavo511 you can only get off if they NEVER give you your Miranda rights, doesn't have to be at time of arrest.
3 likesDepends on the state. Some have to tell the suspect their rights, others do not. It's called Miranda warning.
0 likes@jammi they can say it a different way, but you NEED to tell them they have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law, etc.
3 likesHe was read his rights earlier and when they came in they said remember what we told you earlier.
1 like@jammi LMAO what are you talking about!? The wording may vary state by state. But in the United States, no matter what state you live in LEOs are obligated by the Constitution to read you you're Miranda rights before questioning ensues.
3 likes@GoogleGilbertLevinMars if you had been arrested you could have that appealed because of the Supreme Court ruling in Gideon v. Wainwright
2 likes@sirdrum it’s taught it civics, which is required to graduate.
0 likesI’ve been arrested and not read my rights, but at that age I didn’t even know I had rights to begin with so looking back smh
1 like@Kailynn Carrasco If you were a minor, the officers were especially obligated to have read you your rights. They had to even if they didn't intend on questioning you. Disgrace to the uniform.
1 like@The Dude exactly had I known that back then things would’ve been a lot different for me and my family
1 like@Mark Dlugosz I'm curious about the whole "I want to speak to an attorney" thing in Canada. In America, if you tell the cops you want an attorney, they have to stop the questioning, because anything obtained between then and when the attorney arrives, is considered poisonous to the case. Michael said "if this is.... I think I need an attorney, I want an attorney", and then the prick continued to talk over Michael, and continue to lie to Michael. Shouldn't that be illegal in CA too?
0 likes@Koolaid Man Dude, your allowed to lie to police 5th amendment, unless they grand jury you they can't make you tell the truth. Even then they can't make you say anything anyway bro. Stay safe.
0 likes@GoogleGilbertLevinMars anything you say after that they can’t even use lmao
1 likeDoes anyone know what happened to this idiot of a detective? Is he still working???
1 likeCouldnt it also be a racial difference between the two, contributing to his 'unique' calm composure, seemingly hes logical and / point being, trained to be more patient with authorities in hopes his innocence will be better conveyed.
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While on the other hand, the frustration and defensiveness can be also highlighted due to his past, obviously, and the emotional connection, again obviously, but also the connection where he was actively avoiding drama in his life which hense became unavoidable. Very frustrating with the lack of feeling control not just within the room.
0 likesAlso note the supposed evidence difference between both cases impacts the victims response
0 likesShit IS THE BIGGEST BULLSHIT he was in county for two years fightin a case…time you cant get back and they just “sorry we made a mistake”
0 likesMan: Hello boss? I am truly sorry I won't be able to come to work for a couple of days or so.. but promise I'll tell you everything about it on my Welcome back Party! 🎉👍🍻
0 likes"How can you prove to me that you were at home?"
3358 likesHe doesn't have to. You're the investigator. It's your job to collect and show evidence that the accused was at the scene. The burden of proof is always on the individual making the accusation.
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well written.
79 likesHe doesn’t have to but if he could have provided an alibi it would help with the release.
109 likesPolice and court aren’t the same thing. It’s in court where there is assumption of innocence but police can held you with there reasons they had. Which were the criminal record and a witness.
Yes, but an alibi is always advantageous to the innocent.
16 likesthat was my first though. ugh, this is so frustrating to watch
4 likesHe already had an alibi, known as the truth that he was at home. Once he said that it’s on them to get the mother to confirm it then find evidence to place him at the crime scene or find the person that was really there.
31 likesIn the European Union, they can only retain you 24 hours or put you in the disposition of a judge. If you are detained for identification, it is 6 hours, but they do not have to take you back to the detention place, just release you.
11 likeshow can you prove he wasn't home?
3 likes@ramses bams By proving he was at the crime scene. If they can't place him there it's pretty useless.
15 likes@ramses bams you find proof that he was somewhere else
5 likes@Sara Samaletdin don't provide an alibi have a lawyer provide an alibi for you. Never talk to cops
23 likesI wish people in arguments understood that. Too many people saying "Tell me who did it then" like how would I know I'm claiming I wasn't there!
5 likes@Sara Samaletdin Except that the cop had no intention of checking his alibi.
7 likesAlso how are you even going to prove that unless your have surveilance in your house?
2 likes@Jam Eugh, I hate that "well who did it then?" the fuck am I suppose to know? You're the detective, so detect!
1 like@Sara Samaletdin so you the type of person who talks to police without lawyer
0 likes@Sara Samaletdin they can't hold you forever without serious evidence. Not having alibi is not one of them.
1 like@Sara Samaletdin you shouldnt say diddly squat without a lawyer present. Ever. It won't and can't help you.
0 likes@Sara Samaletdin Prior record isn't cause for reasonable suspicion. A prior record is only useful for giving the police officer an idea on how to approach a person. Secondly, innocent until proven guilty isn't something that only applies to court, it is the standard and the basic relationship between an individual and the government.
0 likes@Logan Liberty Nearly all police interviewers believe they are above that principle.
0 likesThat’s exactly what I thought too. You should never have to prove you didn’t do something wrong. Any thought otherwise is a grave perversion on our justice system.
0 likes@Sara Samaletdin he had an alibi. He told them to call his mother and they played him off as if he was just some other liar they'd seen before.
1 likeThank you
0 likes@fedos and he went to jail for 2 years before being found not guilty
0 likesThis guy looks like the guy who broke into eminems house lmao
0 likesAt least these guys weren't accused of sexual assault by women; their lives would've been over, no question
0 likesHmm I wonder why certain communities don't trust the police....
0 likesVery cool!
0 likesThis has been so infuriating to watch and I can't imagine ever being in this surreal situation. I understand that there's a method to interrogations and detectives have a job to do. But, damn, is this hard to watch without grinding my teeth.
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PLEASE do NOT think that that detective is following correct procedure. He should be able to detect certain body language to have an idea that he is innocent. People review the footage (of course), but the detective is meant to look for innocent / guilty body language in the moment
4 likesLook up US cash bail system
1 like@JordDaLord 5 That's not entirely true friend... Body language is not hard proof. Some people are extremely good liars, and some people are extremely nervous by nature
3 likesMan made 46 k in 3 days. I know that’s not the point but damn
0 likesAre the cops allowed to lie and provide false information like they did him?
0 likesThe fact that an investigator can get a raise for getting someone to confess to a crime they didn’t do is honestly appalling to me, this is part of the reason why the justice system is corrupt.
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Which investigator got a raise by forcing a false confession?
1 like@TheOneThatHungers they didn’t but the narrator said that an investigator getting someone to confess to a crime they didn’t do can get a raise
18 likesThey get an award if they can do it without evidence, not if they didn’t do the crime. Both are bad because the former encourages them to always assume guilty until proven innocent.
17 likes@The Orange Wizard oh, I didn’t know that but it is still pretty bad. Thank you for clearing that up for me.
0 likesits a legal system not a justice system xd
2 likesThey need to put cops in general population in prison, instead of rewarding them when they commit a crime.
2 likesMy dad went through the exact same thing, however because he is Autistic and a Pastor was found guilty because of how different he was. The prosecution and police found it really easy to create a narrative that the jury bought into from the beginning because of this.
828 likesNow we have to hope he survives four years in prison after this ordeal has given him a stroke, muscular atrophy, and now he can’t swallow anything either.
The system is corrupt and completely against you if you don’t fit society’s norms, as it’s easier to see someone different as bad than it is to see them for who they actually are. Plus all these prosecutors and police have massive egos and can’t stand the thought of being wrong.
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I'm so sorry he's going through that. I know it's cliche but I'm praying for him and your family. Hopefully he gets out sooner
56 likesWhat did they falsely accuse him of ? I'm so sorry for your father and I hope he makes it through ❤️
20 likesI wish you the best
3 likes@Christine Cannibal What do you think?
5 likes@Darren J it could be literally anything?
8 likes@Christine Cannibal He said he's a pastor.
5 likesWhat does being a pastor have to do with “being different”? If anything, that would strengthen his innocence.
8 likes@Christine Cannibal He was falsely accused of a number of sexual crimes, the number continued to increase as she came up with other stories.
20 likes@Brainsore fuck i'd hope not.
1 likehow about Justin?? Justice for Justin!
1 likeI have a good friend who is a lawyer and tells me every day men are being accused of sex crimes by revengeful females. Also many times these type of woman convince their children that an ex boyfriend has sexually assaulted them. He said the police will find you guilty until proven innocent. Not only is this is terrible accusation against anyone who is completely innocent it also becomes a huge financial strain. If it goes to court and even if it obvious the person is innocent also found innocent the woman in court is found to be lying she will walk out of court not losing one dollar and they call this justice.
3 likesI'm 22 yrs old & have Autism. I've served over 730 days of custody in a supermax jail (not consecutively; been put in a total of 8 times) not to mention that at least 3/4 of the time I was actually out, I was on strict house arrest conditions. I was just recently found not guilty on all counts of the 5 false statements that were made against me. There was absolutely zero evidence against me personally - only totally unrelated circumstantial crap... Supposedly the police (at least here in Canada) only need to be 51% sure that the statement made COULD HAVE ANY POSSIBLE CHANCE OF BEING TRUE to make an arrest
1 likethis same thing is happening to a youtuber named "catterpillar" =. he is being charged for exposing a child predator.
0 likeshow do you know that he's falsely accused
0 likesThat is my biggest fear. Being accused and found guilty of a crime I had nothing to do with. You hear about those people that had done 20 or more years in prison before being freed because they were indeed innocent. Yeah, they may get paid but what about the life you lost while in prison. Your parents could pass away, and you can't be there with them. Your children grow up without you. Your wife husband or whatever leaves you. I mean money can't bring any of that back. The police are not your friends and if you are without the means for a great legal counsel then it's basically a 70/30 shot that you are screwed. The 30 being in your favor. For some reason police detectives choose to swing a case their way even if it is not totally true therefore binding up some poor innocent person. NEVER talk to the police!! ALWAYS LAWYER UP!!!! Even though you have an over whelming urge to tell them everything because you are innocent. WHAT YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE SWITCHED AROUND TO BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW. Is really what they should say.
59 likesThe way he was trying so hard to get him was pathetic. I love the fact that he was awarded money. I have always said that if you are in prison for a crime and end up being found innocent They should be legally required to compensate you financially for that.
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$40k dollars is not enough for the bullshit he had to go through
4 likesRight, it should be at least $10k/day you’re in custody… And it should come out of the Police Department’s funds. And out of the specific officer’s if it’s proven that missteps were to be strictly by him.
0 likesHe is one of the smartest and calmest people I’ve seen. I have so much respect for this guy
10 likesLove that ending. Can’t believe that detective didn’t immediately Investigate the man’s alibi. Evil behavior to keep an innocent man locked in jail for 3.5 days like that….
17 likesIt's scary to hear that investigators will try to get a confession out of you because it's good for their career. People with low self esteem and ppl that are easily being manipulated could really end up in prison without being guilty. ;(
5 likesLoving this channel. First thing u learning law enforcement is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable. Also ur not there only to prove guilt, but possible innocence. U must investigate both guilt of innocence
4 likesGot a settlement, and all parties responsible were demoted.. I'm glad accountability kicked in on this one. Sir.. You have a better temper than I would have. I hope life has treated you well after this.
6 likesIf being questioned by police for any reason, always have a lawyer. Or at the very least know that they will say or do anything to make you confess even if you didn’t do it. The fact that we consider conduct like that constitutional is beyond me
0 likesit's not a simple case of innocent vs guilty. The issue is when the authorities know you are guilty because they believe you are guilty without actual definitive proof. NEVER EVER help the authorities by talking to them without an attorney, especially if the authorities are controlling your environment. Michael was told he was under arrest but still wanted to help the authorities by answering questions. Justin was arrested and had handcuffs on, but still wanted to answer questions. If someone is controlling your environment (e.g. restraints, tiny room, two way mirror, etc), they are no longer your friend regardless of if you are innocent or not.
4 likesIt absolutely scares and appals me how investigators get rewarded and promoted for getting innocent people in jail, after coercing them using lies and bluff into confessing to something they didn't do while there is no evidence to prove their guilt. And the investigator talking to the first guy, doing just that, dares to talk about how truth is paramount and he's got nothing to gain by falsely accusing him. I wonder how he doesn't get struck by a lightning out of a clear blue sky.
0 likes13:50 "I'd like a lawyer then." "No, you're already guilty."
31 likes"Did you talk to the bus driver or the people on the bus?" "Not my responsibility. Have fun in jail."
Ummm that doesn't seem right.
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0 likesI am so glad to hear that justice was finally served and he was compensated for that disgusting treatment!
1 likeSituations like this are why you ALWAYS get a lawyer. Even if it's a public defender and of its just routine questioning because nothing is routine with the police.
13 likesAfter having watched quite a few interrogation videos, I think I'd be locked up for good if I was arrested for something I didn't do. I'd just be numb and bewildered by the situation trying to wrap my mind around wtf is happening. I wouldn't freak out as the bearded guy in this video. To me, all these techniques and telling 'signs' of someone being guilty are soooo shaky, fishy.
1 likeI think one of the issues that we have with our justice system is the fact that it hasn’t kept up with the times. If they have video footage showing a particular person supposedly in a particular place what is the harm in showing it to the person that they’re accusing of the crime. In this instance the gentleman keeps insisting that he wasn’t there and that there’s no way that the video footage is going to show him at this place that he supposedly robbed.
0 likesI like how the narrator went into details about how that first guy was mentally belittling that detective 😂😂
12 likesFor anyone who has the knowledge to answer this,
0 likesWas the cop allowed to claim that there were video evidence along the with multiple witnesses despite not having any information on the case? On top of having no evidence, to claim charges on the victim in order to scare him to say something? Is there no rules as long as the victim isn’t injured and a confession is made?
I've spent my whole life around law enforcement and I've been interviewed ALOT of times and trust me when I say they do this shit alot this doesn't surprise me at a all
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What would you advise a person who goes through this? Stay silent? Answer questions? Get emotional?
1 likeI mean, every time I see these kinds of "fine officers" at work I start understanding the unrest. The temptation to punch that first "average KKK enjoyer" right in the kisser might be too much for me. And then I'd actually be in prison because this racist is safe from persecution.
2 likesCops should not be above the law, why this isn't commonly understood in a lot of countries is baffling. Where I come from, the police are a lot better but not without fault. However, when this kind of abuse happens it usually ends in termination of employment and fines for the officers. But even then, it is not a matter of trust to get a lawyer, it's a matter of common sense, at least if you can afford it. Not anywhere would I go into a questioning without legal advice because my freedom is dear to me.
How can cops expect anyone to trust them when they are always lieing trying to get someone to incriminate themselves?
8 likesI hope these quote on quote "Detectives" learned a thing or two from their mistakes and actually do a more thorough investigation, and actually listen to the caller's descriptions and read the emotions of the suspect, hence why I think if they were to watch a video like this about the emotions of the innocent they would know what an innocent citizen looks like
0 likesPolice, prosecutors and judges should be held to account and get the same jail time as the victim of police persecution.
1 likeDemoted and suspended without pay, that is justice
2 likesAnother terrible part of being wrongfully accused is in prison they’d be like “What you do” and he’d be like “I DIDNT DO ANYTHING!!!!” And they’d be like “Sure bud…”
5 likesThank god someone checked this man's alibi people can't just go on the way people act we are all different I've been in this situation and spent 2 days in police cell then 7 days in prison had a big write up in local press then prosecutor released me didn't even get an apology never mind 50 grand
0 likesIf getting a confession without evidence is a way to promotion, then what this investigator did should lead to termination.
1 likeWow that man has more class than anyone I’ve ever seen !!shame on the police this poor guy
0 likesI'm so happy that the officers and investigators were demoted and suspended. They deserved that and more.
0 likesI'm happy that that investigator and everybody involved got what they deserved
0 likesPerhaps the reason he is being so calm, composed and trying to be helpful, is just because he is a good man and has nothing to hide. But in fact you could also take into account his upbringing and knowledge of how bad and quickly things can go wrong when someone who is not Caucasian, can be treated when any level of resistance is given to any authorities in this or any supposed innocent situation.
0 likesWow, how can you fuck up that badly? I happy for the guy at least getting some compensation for being put in jail for nothing. Would have been great to see the video footage that's supposed to show the accused if it even existed.
0 likesAlso, just to give some insight. The accused man, Michael, may have acted this way due to repeated prolonged childhood abuse. When one accuses an innocent person who has been abused, often they don't react in the same way. That is what the Narrator was referring to. Just my perspective.
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Or could just have good control over himself. Just because you feel emotions doesn't mean you have to indulge them and let them show in your demeanor.
0 likesFor example, I sincerely hate half of my coworkers but because I want to be professional I don't let it influence my treatment of them at work. I bet the majority of them don't even know I dislike them because I never act on it or let it show externally. And that's a skill almost anyone can develop if they try.
He could be completely enraged or extremely annoyed or even fearful, but just not letting it show and remaining reasonable and complaint outwardly.
The first guy took me about 5 seconds of him talking and I could tell he was innocent and I’m no professional.
2 likes"I can assure you that I'll investigate this thouroughly" says the jackass that didn't look into anything. It's terrible that this is really how it is & I've said a million times that the cops aren't any help until after the fact. Smdh. That man has more patience in his pinky toe than I have in my entire body!!
1 likeInfuriating that law enforcement are incentivized to ruin people’s lives regardless of innocence or guilt.
2 likesnever answere their questions without having a lawyer present - who will advise you to say nothing! Everything you can say to EXONERATE yourself can be said in court, on record. Otherwise it can and will be discounted or rejected as hearsay.
0 likesThat first cop is about as unprofessional an investigator as u could possibly get. There is loads of Evidence to show who the suspect is and he obviously has not checked one single bit of it which would absolutely exonerate the wrong suspect
1 likeIf I was any of these dudes I’d be screaming at them for wasting my time and the fact I’d have to pay for a decent lawyer
1 likecops like that should be charged. and cops that wrongfully imprison someone should lose their badge. you're souly responsible for someones life and future and your bad police work changes someones life forever.
0 likesHe was calm not only due to character but because he has some faith/trust in the police. He knows he didn't do it so he feels (wrongly) safe. This goes to show his naivety/ lack of experience, having never dealt with police before.
0 likesI am Happy for the guy..kudos for remaining calm through the Whole time..dispicable behavior of the investigator..
0 likeshonestly he was immensly responsive and genuine and reasonable the most playing against him was sadly his race not being white
0 likesWow this “suspect” was amazing. Love this guy.
0 likesthe way justin reacta is the EXACT same thing i do when someone accuses me of things i didn't do.
0 likes14:16 "The truth is paramount" - The lying ass detective who's just trying to get a confession out of an innocent man.
2 likesThank god that they were suspended, it must be super terrifying to be falsely accused
0 likes11:31 I'm not sure if I agree with that analogy , Both of these suspects have different backgrounds in dealing with the criminal justice system lifestyle and would likely act different when being accused ? 16:10 I would have told him if he was doing his job then i wouldn't be sitting here and im going to sue for the lies and false arrest, maybe even could have been a race issue , it's possible with his English accent, I could see it, Just glad he was given Justice and those held accountable. I could respect that
2 likesi think these interrogation videos need to be reviewed by their own departments to find the dumbest Detective's and fire them immediately
0 likesthere was no reason that man was in that interrogation room to begin with
not to mention the bullshit lies he made up i get that you have to pry for info but constantly lying about the situation isn't doing your job
this man should of been disowned by his department
I bee n there. I did 18 months fighting an attempt murder. This shit hurts my soul
6 likesIf someone's passionately moving their hands along with their phrases then they are most likely telling the truth
0 likesThe wierdest thing about criminal psychology imo is I find that if the suspect is being confident, he's guilty for sure, and if he's nervous, he's definitely guilty as well. Then what's a sign to show he's not guilty or at least leaning to that side?
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It's all about the specific situation it seems, you can't just umbrella statement to certain behaviors because some unnatural behaviors are natural to others, it's why you need to be extremely read up, educated and practiced in the role before you can make any sort of real judgement. That's not even counting for conditions like ADHD or autism that could affect behavior, essentially there is no clear sign and that's why you have to really make sure you're taking it on by a case by case basis.
2 likes"being confident, he's guilty for sure, and if he's nervous, he's definitely guilty as well"
2 likesFalse statement. If your understanding is so childishly superficial and black/white with absolutely no nuance then please stay away from this as a career.
Dont ever become a detective, you will be like these detectives.
0 likesAnd then you wonder why people have no faith in the police anymore. 🙄
0 likesI hope that guy didn't lose his job.
In the Canadian case Micheal said he wanted a lawyer. I don't know Canadian law but in the US the police must immediately stop asking questions once you say those magic words. They are not allowed to question you to find out if that was what you really meant, STOP! And they have this on video!
0 likes2 years? That's a lot of time taken away from anyone. Those cops should be jailed.
0 likesI understand that they demoted and suspended but Ik this isn’t one of those jobs you can fail this isn’t forgetting somebody’s apple pie this is traumatizing and ruining somebody’s life this far from protect and serve
0 likesThe officer: I have you on video commuting the act
0 likesAlso him: Asking him if he did it
"we'll be putting you in a larger custody facility"
1 like"Thanks i guess"
Detective: We’re taking you into custody for robbery.
0 likesMichael: Thank you sir. Can I notify my boss? I have work in the morning.
I don’t understand how the police across the pond can blatantly lie about evidence during interviews, how they can assume guilt and not allow the suspect to give a first account, and how often they are seen to be interviewing suspects without giving them access to legal advice prior to interview.
0 likesYou've gotta love this guy...
0 likesGrande coisa, oriloki resumiu tudo isso em 10 segundos 2 anos antes de você
1 likeBritish cops for ya!!! Nice to see they're taking their excellent interviewing tactics on a world tour. ... god help everyone!
0 likes9:37 “How can you prove to me that you were at home”
1 likeGot this the wrong way around buddy. You’re supposed to prove he did it.
lmfao
I think race also plays a role in how he is presenting himself. He knows that any non-cooperation or aggression/anger, perceived or otherwise, is unfortunately going to be treated much less favorably by the police when coming from a black man than if it had come from a white man.
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The dude interacting him wasn’t white. Dude might have just had an agreeable disposition. Not everything is about race
3 likesNot to mention the bearded guy was way more threatening looking than the bald dude. I think most people would be more threatened by the big dude with an aggressive posture.
4 likesYeah, race got nothing to do with it. If it does ever, these people need fired immediately.
0 likes@violent bob he was white wtf
0 likes@Ivo Lawso he was at least quarter Asian, or might of had an Amish uncle.
0 likesWhat kind of police force can charge anyone without first collecting all the evidence and putting that to the suspect in order to prove or disprove innocence or guilt
0 likesBro the second guy almost made me cry man you hear how sad and frustrated he is
0 likesReally hope that cop never got premonition... ever . He was shocking
1 likeWhen I was 18 I was driving in the back country roads going to a friends house, i drive those roads all the time and no one rides your ass or anything like that bc everyone drives pretty fast even though the speeds listed as 30-35, it was about 11pm at night and i pull onto the back road, and it’s the only road leading unto it for miles and miles, out of no where head lights and a light bar light up behind me and I have black out tint so the guy definitely had his brights on making it hard for me to see, I genuinely thought it was an alien abduction about to happen since it was impossible for someone to catch up to me going like 65-70 on the road and they had to be driving with their lights off to be immediately behind me like that, for a solid 8 minutes this car rides my ass out into the boonies and I take my doubt right turn to my buddies house with the car following me, (it’s a one house road and no one goes down it) I pull into his driveway and park my car leaving it on for like 4 minutes waiting to see what this guy was going to do,(not being 21 all I had was a 1960 ice pick I use for rock climbing in the snow) so I grab it and slowly step out of my car holding the pick out of view inside my car, at least 10 seconds pass of me holding my hand up into the air staring into the light of the car (i still couldn’t see the shape of the vehicle) then I hear “step fully out of your vehicle and put your hands in the air” the dude didn’t put his flashing light on yet so I didn’t budge, I made it clear I wasn’t going to move, then the lights come on and his brights shut off, with his gun in hand he stepped out of his vehicle, I immediately put my hands in the air bc I know cops shoot if the even think you have a rubber band, he tells me to take my wallet out and place it on the hood of my car, he goes into my car takes the key out and tosses it on my seat, I ask him what I did wrong and he says “I need to make sure your not a threat first” I instantly get scared thinking he’s gonna panic and shoot me since my back was turned to him after I placed my wallet on my hood, the cop took my ID and told me to stay put, as he walked back to the car, about 10 minuets pass, he fucking gets out of his car laughing and I still have no idea what’s going on, he tells me he’s sorry for following me so closely but my name “Jacob _____” came back with a multiple felon on the run and he thought it was potentially me and he just starts apologizing over and over while laughing, I wasn’t having it bc I just had a gun pulled on me and I ask him why he didn’t turn his lights on and tailed me for over 5 minutes while speeding, I was so mad I said “you drove with your lights off, speeded without your lights on and pulled a gun on me” the cop looks at me and says “do you want a ticket? I said “whats your badge number” he starts fucking laughing again and walks to his car and speeds around me doing a u turn to get back onto the main road.. literally the weirdest and scariest thing that’s happened to me and I’ve done a lot of shit
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You dont need to blank out Jacob ------
1 likeYour profile says Roberts 👍
I'm happy the guy got the $46,000 but demoted and suspended without pay is not enough of a punishment for the cops. they should have been fired and fined if not put in jail. Human garbage like what we see here in this interrogator make me sick!
0 likesAre investigators really just allowed to lie to try to get confessions
0 likesYou must feel like in Kafkas "The Trial". Being forced to prove you are innocent is a complete wrong thing. Horror.
0 likes2:20 God bless that detective he is the most progressive person ever, he doesn't see colour nor height
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0 likesIm so glad that I am living in Austria. Where you are innocent until proven guilty. Which is way more reasonable. Na stuff never makes sense...
0 likesI like the end result. It's sad because if that would have happened in America I doubt there would be any suspension of the detectives or civil settlement awarded to the falsely accused.
1 like4:19 when michael showed he was still maintaining eye contact did his body do that or did he do it because he knows the affect it has?
0 likesIt is insane to me that shouting enraged profanities at police is considered innocent behavior. They'd have to really provoke me to get me to that point because I would want to avoid pissing them off. Especially given how often they get away with beating the shit out of people, albeit that is normally during an arrest, not an interrogation.
0 likesIm glad he got a settlement, but I wonder if that other guy sued those people who framed him.
0 likesok I work as police officer in civilised country in Europe. We operate on fraction of budget of American police. Yet any of this couldn't happen here. If I came with these files as officer to our public prosecutor he would rip ME apart and give me eat those papers to remember I should do my job properly.
1 likeThis is insane......
The detective sounded more like a salesman trying a hard sell, I suspect he would do well to change jobs, where he can seek that bonus / commission / promotion, without doing "too much harm" to innocent people
0 likesyou can not imagine the DELIGHT i had when i heard the detective got DEMOTED AND HAD NO PAY! absolutely beautiful
2 likesMe: “yeah why is he being so nice”
0 likes16:40
Me: “oh hes a Canadian”
That last seconds had flowers coming out of my ears.
0 likesOne of those times when being the awkward introvert becomes an advantage. xD
0 likesI would probably act like this guy in all honesty and that scares me now watching this.
0 likesI tell you what for every day the guy spent in jail gave the detective a week
0 likes11:24 i laughed so hard
0 likesIf they had all the evidence they needed you wouldn't be questioned in the first place. Don't talk to them at all!
0 likeslistening to what happened to the people responsible for this guys arrest and imprisonment was like an actual victory moment. loved hearing that, glad they got what they deserve for messing up that guys week, hope it hurts for the rest of their lives.
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0 likesdemoted and suspended without pay... wow they got what they deserve.!
0 likesbro really said multiple times “whether you did it or not is not why we’re here” like bro what the fuck😂😂
0 likesPlease find another platform!! I don’t know what is going on. I also don’t care. I like these videos. I like falling asleep to them.
0 likesHe stayed calm because he knows he is a 6 foot 3 black man and if he acted out like the other guy they would have pinned him as violent
1 likeMany people in all colors and cultures goes thru this Nightmare and sadly many goes to jail without anyone hearing from them.
0 likesDemoted only, that is someone's life you dealing with, they should of been thrown in jail and never been allowed to ever work in the justice system again .
0 likesI feel like the first cop just wanted to bring someone in
0 likesJustice in the end. Imagine how many people werent this lucky.
0 likesnever talk to the police, never ever.
0 likesthe ending was so satisfying though....
This proves that nothing good can ever come out of you talking to the police.
0 likeslol Canadian police... i see what went wrong here. they tried throwing my brother in prison for stuff he didn't do, and they manufacture evidence regularly. its despicable.
0 likesThat ending was justice....
0 likesNever give an interview to cops....
0 likesI yelled "YES" at the ending.
0 likestbh this is total bullshit i was in this situation being innocent accused and i didn't reacted like this at all i reacted like all guilty person afraid of what was coming afraid of what they were accusing me and affraid to not being able to proove i'm not guilty finaly the judge saw all of this when i came without lawyers to the judgement day i just talked with my own words and was free without any guilty (and i wasn't guilty )
0 likesThe last 20 sec. made my day :):):)
0 likes$46,000 is no where near enough.
1 likeHoly SH!T that ending is so satisfying
0 likesNO WAY THE OFFICERS GOT SUSPENDED LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
1 likeI hope that snake ass investigator is fired or never gets the chance to incriminate someone falsely.
0 likesok i would totally sit in a jail cell for 4 days for 50 grand. seems like a good deal
0 likesSo how did Michel get away with robbery when it's all on video
0 likesThese interrogators aren't just playing mind-games. Their behaviour is actually INDIFFERENT. A character trait of a socio/psychopath. There is a high prevalence within the police. And that first policeman is English. Notice how he spiels off a load of good sounding sh*t. "The truth is paramouth.. " bla bla bla. Some people KNOW exactly what to say to sound proper, sincere and dutiful. Remember, some police don't care about justice. They care about convictions (or as the narrator notes, promotions/kudos/their ego). There are THOUSANDS of innocent people rotting away in every country. There are also certain Agencies, DAs & prosecutors who WITHHOLD exculpatory evidence in order to get a conviction. One of them is now the Vice President. Let that sink in!
1 likeIts actually innocent until proven guilty
1 likeOfficer; "If someone else causes to murderer another person does that make me a murderer"?
0 likesTHE VIDEOS ARE COMING BACK THANK YOU JCSS
1 likeThe innocent guy was so nice
0 likesDoes anyone know if this detective fired for this?
0 likesits kinda scary how much it nitpicked about his small body language
0 likes"The evidence is conclusive and overwhelming"
0 likesmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmm
“there’s 2 things people need to know about J to the R. O. C. ok, i spit more rhymes than a lazy susan, and i’m innocent until my guilt is proven. representing sunnyvale straight the fuck up”
0 likesAt least a somewhat happy ending
0 likesAw. Good for him.
0 likesThe detective is talking too much about himself what he is gonna do and how hes gonna reveal the truth .obviously has nothing to use but saying shit
0 likesWhat about the guy who spent 2 years in what did he get?
0 likesThought you had him on tape bro!!!!
0 likesI’m happy he got money 💰
0 likesima am inoccent man being accused of a robbery that occurred in my neighborhood while I was out for work 3 hrs away from that location I have solid evidence that I'm inoccent yet I'm still having trouble with this case I've been stripped from my constitutional right I was never asked inoccent or guilty I was automatically placed as guilty to to a false statement made by one of my neighbors that was trying to get less time in jail for a crime he committed I dosent make sense to me that you just need a statement from a criminal no video evidence or nothing just a statement its stupied
0 likesI hope that guy sues the shit out out of that officer. 46k is not enough considering
0 likes“this isn’t going away” umm sir you’re wrong
0 likesDude that is so f**** disgusting watching the first Mike guy be told they know he did it when he definitely didn’t!!!!! And I feel really bad for the guy who was wrongfully imprisoned for more then 2 years also!!!! This country and this world SUCK!!!!!!!
0 likesYou got wrong its "innocent until proven guilty "
0 likesThis is kind of depressing
0 likesPolice is so disgusting, I hope these poor victims get millions of compensation for their troubles
0 likes5 mins into this vid and I’m already pissed
1 likeWrong incentive to give promotions for a confession without showing evidence
0 likesThis makes my blood boil. How can these people lie to suspects when they KNOW they don't have evidence? Shameful and atrocious
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The Police are the largest Gang in the Country!
36 likes@Corrado Soprano Jr so lets say someone robbed a bank. Than the police starts accusing the man of murder, knowing he didnt murder anyone just to make him confess the bank assault?
5 likes@Corrado Soprano Jr I missinterpretated your comment sorry. It makes sense to lie like that and I think it should be done, but the problem really comes when they dont confess and are still arrested. Arrested because of an evidence that doesnt exist
8 likes@Sounds Nice Since you use a vague hypothetical, I can respond to it with one of my own:
7 likesYou are picked up by the police, they insist that you have done a crime that you know you didn't do. The police, however, create this lie that they have video evidence AND eye witness testimony that incriminate you, and a confession will result in a much lighter sentence. You panic and decide you don't want them to push for a maximum sentence which will result in weeks of tedious and expensive court appearances, so you confess under this understanding that you will get a slap on the wrist, but instead they wave the signed confession in the courtroom and let the prosecutor decide how long they want to put you away for.
Sound outlandish? Well, watch the "Don't Talk to the Police" video (just search the title and you'll find it), and the lawyer speaking brings up multiple examples of police getting false confessions through lying and not caring they're incarcerating innocent people.
I guess an different way of putting it to directly respond to your question is: no, I would not prefer the outcome you described, IF I also knew those same tactics put INNOCENT people away. I'm of course arguing from principle, but I would consider it unconscionable to call such a method "justice" when the video itself shows how people who can be sentenced -- for crimes they didn't commit -- because the police used gas lighting tactics on them. Would YOU be ok with "getting the killer" if that meant that innocent people would be punished for crimes they are not guilty of?
@AcaciaAryan cringe
0 likes@Xebec Outweighs the disadvantages??? Boy, we definitely do not see eye-to-eye on this. So, by your logic: someone who is innocent *but doesn't know their right to have a lawyer/plead the 5th*, and is gas-lit into falsely confessing should be deemed an acceptable loss to the system? You say that it's evil, but also are ok with the practice, because in your own words "there isn’t a whole lot better tactics to use." Lucky for you, you seem to know what to do if falsely arrested (although your simulated bravado won't do you any favors), but you seem to be forgetting that the less-informed -- which means a lot of people -- can easily be victimized by this underhanded and frankly disgusting practice.
3 likesAdditionally, by the words you included in your comment, only the uninformed (*whether guilty or not*) will ever fall for the tactic, since the smart will always keep their mouths shut and wait for legal counsel. Sad how the "advantages" you mentioned kinda fade away with any type of serious organized criminals with codes of silence, or even just those who know their rights. You seem to think that putting innocent people behind bars is a necessary evil, as long as it does get some guilty people to confess without evidence, and I find that unfortunate.
@Corrado Soprano Jr Sorry to say it, but I reject your main argument on principle. Destroying innocent people's lives is justifiable if you "get the bad guy"? But when we see them accusing that man of a crime when he was literally picked up while getting off a bus, the police are FAILING to catch the real suspect, and their insistence that they have evidence of his nonexistent guilt is nothing short of sinister. If you're ok with calling innocent people being gas-lit into false confession an acceptable loss, then I'd say you've pinpointed a key reason our justice system is broken. Your disregard for the innocents falling victim to this practice is disturbing, to say the least.
4 likesAs for those "crazy killer" stories: I've seen a few, and every single one depended on good investigative work and forensics. Absolutely none of the episodes I watched involved lying to a suspect who didn't know that he could plead the 5th and demand a lawyer. With the evidence each story described them getting, a confession would be useful, but they had more than enough to bring the suspect to trial without one.
Now it's no longer "innocent until proven guilty." Its "guilty until proven innocent."
3 likesLordMyron09 But it’s very rare for one who is truly innocent to be put to jail. Idk about you, but even while walking to jail I’d tell that guy I am not the one. I’d scream to his face you’ve got the fukin wrong person. I’m sure any innocent person would too, and if the cops do not have evidence and have a brain, they would see that they are innocent. Gas-lit into falsely confessing, I do agree that that is something disgusting. But it’s still not very smart for them to confess for something they didn’t do, thats like putting yourself to jail for free. If they have evidence, they can arrest you (or ask them to show you their so called evidence) otherwise you shouldn’t be confessing. After a false confession, what the cops should do however is get evidence or talk to them. But again, I don’t know why you would confess, theres no way out of it. The cops should make assurance that the person is guilty and there is no possibility of innocence, which certainly should be done in a situation of gaslighting the person to pick a lesser crime or if one is tired and wants to get out of a situation, im sure its not very hard for the interrogator to tell if thats the case. There’s probably been a lot of guilty people caught by this, murder, robbing, not very smart people and talk to the police thinking it’ll not make them seem guilty or something.
0 likesBasically, the process should be improved so it catches the guilty and not the innocent.
I feel you brother, evil in the world makes me feel like FUCKING grrrr.... 🤬😤
2 likes@Xebec Glad we can agree on the matter of wrongful confessions. However, we can talk all we want about what should be done, but it doesn't take much digging to find out what has actually been done by police. The stories about how police get false confessions and convict people with those alone is atrocious. We can even see one scenario in the video, where they were practically trying to browbeat the man into confessing something.
2 likesI fully agree that the protecting the innocent should be prioritized as much as finding the guilty. Sadly it would seem, from some of the other opinions others have shared, that a few wrongfully convicted innocents is worth "catching the bad guy" in enough instances.
@Xebec You also say it's rare, but look up the Innocence Project. I assure you, you won't find a shortage of cases that involved false confessions that derived from a variety of duplicitous and intimidatory means. You can say they're a small percentage, but they're nonetheless an unacceptable number given that each one was someone who had their life destroyed over something they never did. If that's not a reason for outrage, I don't know what is.
2 likesamong us in a nutshell
1 like@LordMyron09 nobody reads long ass youtube comment section comments.
0 likes@Anagram Confirmed Tell that to the dozens of people I've had long-form discussions/arguments with. ;)
2 likes@Anagram Confirmed Okay, Zoomer.
0 likes@LordMyron09 as the police state has tightened its grip, the public and the 'public servants' (thats what law enforcement is supposed to be) have become more and more comfortable toward locking up innocent people up rather than possibly letting a guilty person go free. The incentive for the government is profit. (Industrial prison complex) when a third of our citizens have a criminal record, clearly our justice system has a flaw. To clarify I'm talking about the usa, you might not be
1 likeomg. I'd be so bad as innocent accused person
0 likesThis triggers me…. I’m just glad the innocent got exonerated.
0 likesThe fact that they can lie about evidence on that level blew my mind, and I'm glad they got demoted and suspended for that. Great video, I really enjoyed it.
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Spencer White They didn’t actually. Lying about evidence is perfectly acceptable under the law. The investigators got the punishment for not following procedures and not reviewing the dispatch report. If they did that and still did everything exactly the same, this guy gets nothing and they walk away from this scot free.
17 likesI mean it makes sense. If someone is in fact guilty and they think you have rock solid proof, they will generally start by admitting some association to the crime, albeit trying to mitigate their role. However, if you tell a dude you have video and witnesses proving he committed a crime and he is still espousing his innocence....he is probably innocent.
0 likes@Gtpk 35 I thought that was a US law whilst canadian law enforcement are required not to manipulate their way through an interrogation?
1 likedea B There has been a change of interrogation techniques in Canada, they no longer use the Reid method (which is what you see in the interview here) but they are still allowed to lie about the evidence and other things. It’s a thin ice to walk on though because the judge can very well throw it out in case he/she thinks this put a suspect under duress.
4 likesI mean, I agree that lying about evidence is and should be perfectly legitimate strategy, you just need to have enough safeguards in place that you’re not extracting a confession under duress, from people with mental illness, etc.
The ending 😍😍😍
0 likesYo can we talk about how Michael absolutely roasted this dude and called him out for being bad at his job all while being as calm as Hannibal Lecter?
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Yes we can
20 likesAnd 3 days of captive with fear and frustration in return of 46 thousands. I say he didn't do bad. Oh and several of the investigators got demoted and suspended pay🤣
114 likesNo we can't talk about it
4 likes@Terra Gaia Should have gotten 460 thousand in my opinion
34 likesIt was pretty embarrassing, but only in retrospect, it could’ve been really sad.
11 likes@Terra Gaia Imho he should have gotten more, and the cops should have been fired...this is unacceptable.
31 likes@Lenz C I couldn't necessary agree but yes. You need the reaction of protest and citizen outrage at the scale of George Floyd to see something. Shit like these such as Michael's case are one of the dozen out of millions per year swept under the rug. Michael just got lucky and American police system really needs some overhaul from head to toe.
11 likes@Terra Gaia think i read it was in canada...not sure though....but wasn't Michael one cool dude
6 likesthat is why you lawyer up immediately if you are accused of something serious. make the police do their job. you gain nothing by talking to them.
12 likesWhen exactly does he roast him and say he's bad at his job?
0 likes@JDB are you the cop in the video??
3 likes@JDB he doesn't say that verbatim its the entire interview
0 likesHahaha the Canadian way...
0 likes@JDB at 19:42
0 likestimestamp please ?
0 likes@Terra Gaia I would not want to experience this ordeal for that amount of money.
2 likeshe seems like such a sweeheart! he wanted to use his phone call to let his employer know he wouldn't be able to go to work the next morning and was so collected throughout the situation
0 likes@Terra Gaia That was not enough lmao wym
1 like@Terra Gaia he was a calm introverted guy. He probably spent those days reading good books and chilling. And getting paid for it too? Easy money.
0 likes@Terra Gaia in an ideal world, they’d be terminated and stuck working loss prevention at a shitty mall, never to return to law enforcement.
2 likes@I27T I84 i'm sorry bro it's not a single time point it's the whole interview
0 likes@Garrett Stelly aw, it's OK.. thanks for your help
0 likes"Suspect is a small white male"
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DPD just went out watkh for a last name James first name Le-bron
64 likes@Kpt.KirkWaffles "he looks small and white, right fellas?"
212 likes"Yeah chief, works for me!"
I laughed way to hard on this 😂
27 likes😂😂😂
6 likesWas so focused on the investigation and then first comment I saw was this. I'm dead bro
15 likesLMAOO
6 likesIm fucking dying🤣
4 likesWhite, small, thin male
16 likesLEO: you want me to arrest ice cube you say
They really really really need to review there recruiting standards.
4 likesMade. Me laugh from the Heart!! Thanks!
2 likesyooo lmao
2 likesAt least they don't see color lmao
2 likes@Meglena Hristova best kind of laugh 😊
0 likesseems about right
4 likesjust a dose of daily racism to keep oneself motivated
@marT Tram everyone looks small when theyre in your review mirror
0 likesLook, his shirt is white
4 likesWell looks like manute Bol is guilty
0 likes@Andersen Zheng i wouldn't be surpised
0 likesto be fair I'm kinda surprised they didn't arrest a woman .....
0 likesSame old', same old' (story)
0 likesDutty Babylon!!!, I an' I expect it fe de beast (but nuh mek it right so)
0 likes@Kate Oleary pretty much 💁
0 likesWhen a man is falsely imprisoned, there is no retribution. Even if his name is cleared, Nothing in the world can recover what has been lost. The human life is finite and quality of life diminishes with age. The State has stolen quality years. Nothing can replace that. The state has tarnished the person’s honor, integrity and character. Money can not fix what has been done. Nothing can fix what has been done. I challenge anyone to find me recompense for this wrong.
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Well, its still better than nothing I guess
185 likes3.5 days is not a big deal plus he got 46 thousand dollars and the cops were fired. That's more then enough compensation
364 likeslmfao i'd take 3 days in a jail for 46 thousand dollars anytime
422 likesTrue
4 likesimagine if it's for 40+ or even 50+ years
35 likesTaking someone's freedom for 2 years is inhuman. that guy is more innocent than the judges that sentenced him because they had the power over him and he had no power even on his own life. What you said it 100% true and it is even worse, losing your freedom for 2 whole years is not like he slept for 2 years and woke up 2 years older, he had to endure 2 whole years of abuse he didn't deserve.
244 likesNot to belittle the injustice against Michael, but he lost just 3 and a half days of his life. The compensation plus the demotions and suspensions verify he was innocent. There's probably hundreds of thousands out there who lost years, decades of their life and get no compensation whatsoever. Nor are the perpetrators punished.
58 likesMichael received justice after the injustice. I have no idea how his reputation or socio-economic status were affected. But at least he has definite proof he was not guilty and was almost chewed by the corrupt cops.
What worse is that there are people that only proven innocent after more than half of their life or not even at all. There are probably many innocent death sentences.
46 likesDidn't a guy who was false accused of rape get decades or something
3 likes@Aivottaja Michael was just the first case of the video, the second case starting at 5:38 got 2 years for something he didn't do.
30 likes@Vuk I'm pretty sure he meant the guy that got 2 years...
12 likes@Nixton I guess I slacked off watching this because I missed the fact that the other guy was sentenced.
15 likesSuch an evil cycle we're surrounded by. Doesn't matter if you're honest or innocent. Wrong place at the wrong time or simply a lying witness followed by lying cops can ruin your life. The worst thing is most of us still think the system cares about guilt or innocence. It doesn't change, because millions think everything is A-Ok as long as they don't happen to be chewed by this monster.
lmao that is totally true when it comes to years at a time but imagine sitting in jail for 3 days to get 46 thousand dollars instead of working for a year or more lmao fkn jackpot ur mad
4 likes@HastyHokage You just gonna ignore the guy that was in prison for 2 years without compensation?
17 likes@Nixton 8:55 He was exonerated. He spent two years in jail for another crime earlier in his 20s. He said he was trying to better his life and that he didn't want to go back to that life style.
8 likesOnly idiots see it as a transaction. As if he willingly chose 3 days of physical and mental troubles in jail for 46k USD. Arrest these same guys out of nowhere and interrogate them and psychologically play with them for a couple of days without any hint as to what will happen with them next. Then see if they still sing the same song.
22 likesJesus is the God is justice
1 likeYour right I have a daughter if I lost years from being in her life no one could make it up to me
2 likes@Nixton which one? the guy that was super calm? and even then if you can read i said if its more than a year type shit then ofc but u dont read do you.
1 like@Nixton and also idc if he was talking about some guy with 2 years or whatever thats irrelevant since i said no compensation can be given and i agreed but i was arguing against him saying there is no compensation for any time in jail/prison like the 3 day shit cuz damn da was more then enough
0 likes@HastyHokage You literally edited the comment...
1 like@Div V shh
0 likesThe only retribution fitting for taking a man's life from him is for ones own life to be taken. Not literally, bit in every other way possible. They will endure the same things the man did, and they will endure it for sevenfold the severity or time. That is the only true compensation for what was stolen. For what was pillaged and burned from those men. For the accusers own skull to be dragged deeper into the mud than the man they accused.
3 likesWell said
0 likes@Brandon Boyce That’s your own opinion, personally I think financial compensation though it may not make up for it makes way more sense. Someone being punished doesn’t give me anything for all that has been stolen from me.
5 likes@꧁ Arya Princess ꧂ Power is an illusion. Judges are glorified sheep in a bathrobe, with other sheep in uniform doing what they say, because the rest of the sheep roaming about on the streets agree it's ok for their lives to be ran like this.
2 likes@Brandon Boyce cycle of hatred, we sre better than that
1 like@Nixton lmao dat was before u even commented dont act fkn smart now🤣 the clownery
0 likesMy man went back to read , next time comment AFTER u read the whole text kid
0 likes@HastyHokage No it wasn't...
0 likesI feel that the judge and jury should be held accountable for their mistakes. Especially the judge.
2 likes@Vuk it’s not a big deal to YOU! Maybe you are fine with being in jail w/o doing the crime but most aren’t. Doesn’t matter if it’s 2 days or 2 years
2 likes@T i have been taken from. I have had things stolen from me and I have been accused. When I was just 13, I was accused of sexual harassment. My reputation has not recovered. I am still ostracized, and looked down upon. While that woman and the police and the principle all were simply let off for putting me through what they did. Everything was changed. My views, my relationships, even my sexual tendencies were impacted. I wasn't able to find friends for years. I wasn't able to get any positive female attention until I was nearly 17. Even my friend at the time distanced for a while. NOTHING will give me back the Innocence that was stolen. I would wish every hell upon them If it meant those hells would be realized. Money means nothing. Money will never replace what was taken. Time. And innocence. Both were lost for years.
2 likesI could not agree more with this comment. if I was gonna be falsely imprisoned for a long time I would kill myself, no doubt. regardless of how long you're imprisoned for, a piece of you essentially dies when you're helpless and no one believes you; which ends up with you suffering for something you have no control over
2 likesI'll take a few million for a year or 3. Get back in shape. Come out and have a blast.
0 likesunless we talking about atleast an amount of money that somebody can live lavish and take care of anybody he desires there's nothing that can replace it
0 likes@Vuk even though he was released his life will never be the same due to that criminal record on him. Jobs wont take him anymore.
3 likesImprisonment of the arresting officers and prosecutors would be a good start.
3 likesdudee just give me 50k for 3 days that is a decent job come onn
2 likes@꧁ Arya Princess ꧂ it least they give him compensation
1 likeWell, monetary compensation can relieve you from wasting your time with useless 9-5 work I guess
1 likeIsnt this comment about the previous guy with 2 years jail not the one with 3 days.
0 likesThe saying “It’s better to imprison 100 innocent men as opposed to 1 guilty man” doesn’t seem to be as appealing anymore..
1 likei'll take 46,000 for 3 days in jail any time
0 likes@Samuel Elias that wasn't "the second case" that was an example of more typical innocent behavior. the subject of the video was the bald guy
1 like@Vuk The cop got DEMOTED not fired. Basically, they moved him one step back down the ladder. He also got a suspension without pay. He almost ruined a man's life with no fucking evidence other than a racist knee-jerk reaction. CAD 46.000 is pennies for a wrongful accusation this crass.
3 likesPeople can say well its only 3.5 days and he got 46,000 so that makes up for it. Noooo it doesnt. Police have to be held to a higher standard than that. If you arent a seasoned degenerate-being caged up for any amount of time with people that are is a horrible punishment. And it strips you of your pride and honor. I mean goddamn. They said the suspect was a short white guy. Yet he spent 3.5 days in prison.
3 likes@Vuk We are obviously talking about the bearded man.
0 likes@Dope Deity No, he spent two years in jail for THIS.
1 like@Zovo Gayiko Good points.
0 likesEven MORE money would be pretty good compensation for that time lost.
0 likesMetoo are criminal
0 likes@Vuk The detectives weren't fired.
1 likeYou sound like one who has lived through it, as I have and many others like us. I had a friend that beat his case rightfully so and the prosecutor was pissed and had the police dept. trying to get him on anything. he couldn't get out of his driveway without being subject to a set up. they have their blinders and their job was to convict, there's no ethics envolved
2 likes@Leandtjen LNDTJN lol shity but true
0 likesGet me a record deal where I can live like early 80s Motley Crue and sure, I’ll do a few years first.
0 likes@꧁ Arya Princess ꧂ Very true statement, most people would be shocked at the percentage of innocent that are in jail
1 likeyour right
0 likesWe can offer a weekend in Goat Tower.
0 likes@Aivottaja Everyone is forgetting about what a drawn out battle it probably was. Imagine he spends 50k in legal fees to win 46k settlement? There is an unknown variable there
4 likesI’d spend 3.5 days in jail for 46.000$.
0 likesWell now you talk about the US.
1 likeMy uncle out of Poland got 4 thousand dollars or 10 thousand PLN for 5 years being in prison the money that the state gives you for being inprisoned without guilt should be in Form of a rent so you get your money every month paid by the state. I could not imagine paying taxes after being wrongfully in prison for 2 years so the state paying me would make it better. For 2 years In prison an amount of 10k a month should be fine. Also maybe a limited immunity
@SultanQasim when has that ever been a saying lmao
1 like@64ddking Talking about retribution, there was a very loud case going on in Poland over past few years about innocence of Tomasz Komenda. The guy was accused of rape and murder he didn't commit but mistakes done throughout the investigation and eventually in the court by the judge himself resulted in him serving 18 years in prison out of 25 he got sentenced with, after getting released with help of a hardly gathered evidence from private detective's investigation. Finally, past year he recieved a compensation of over 3 million $ but there is no doubt it will never return all that time he lost while being jailed. However, that case was the loudest of its kind in polish history, resulted in the highest compensation in the country so far and because of that i encourage every person reading through this text to get more details in the articles. Peace for yall.
3 likes@Zovo Gayiko idk man 6k for 3 days still isnt a big deal
0 likesYup read the news paper few weeks vback dude hot clearerd AFTER 10 years and got nothing exept cleared name like Wtf
0 likes@Vuk The other guy got 2 years before he was proven innocent.
0 likesFree PS5s after release would be great
0 likes@INeedTherapy smh damn i wish every false accusation case went like that. Id love 40k
0 likesLuckily men or people in general are not falsely accused a lot :)
1 like@Vuk lmao I thought u said 3.5 K days and I was like WHAT THIS IS SO NOT WORTH IT
0 likes@Pete Coventry or life
0 likes@Leandtjen LNDTJN
0 likesTell that to the dead by the so called Justice System of America.
@Pete Coventry
0 likesThe irony of a 50 year jail sentence is... Sometimes the innocent dies.
@꧁ Arya Princess ꧂
0 likesThat's the justice for ya... Corruption smiles.
@Div V
0 likesSometimes people want innocent people to die by the government... Amusing.
@T
0 likesThe deaths of millions mock your petty money... Massacres of the Elite.
@HastyHokage
0 likesTell that to dead... Justice is an illusion to those who control the game.
@Taliban Joe biden
0 likesWell... Sometimes people die by the judge's choice.
@Maskedupwitakay 211
0 likesOff to the chambers they go...
@SatanThyme
0 likesThis is America... Home of the criminal politics.
@Awakening Evil
0 likesSome innocent people die in prison...
@Zovo Gayiko
0 likesOr simply... Corrupt the system even more... Bring forth the Riot.
@SultanQasim
0 likesInnocent people shall die and the guilty shall live...
@Funkdoktor
0 likesBetter for innocents to die than to leave one guilty alive... Right, America?
@danny nimmo
0 likesAnd the prosecutors wonder why the Riots come for them... Ha ha ha ha.
@danny nimmo
1 likeIt's all part of the Quota.
@Bravo
0 likesCreate the problem... Sell the solution... America.
@Aivottaja not even close to good enough. Your reputation is not so easily restored and the scars of injustice do not heal. Should have imprisoned the investigator and gave all his worldly goods to the falsely accused, and even that wouldn’t be enough for the travesty of injustice.
1 like@David R.G.
0 likesCorruption smiles...
@A
0 likesThe opposite is true as well... The guilty are free.
@Aivottaja Makes me believe more in anarchy than anything else
1 like@Cory Briggs Nothing wrong with believing. But in effect, it's impossible.
1 like@Absol StoryofFiction Epstein is probably sipping a margarita in Israel as we speak.
1 like@Absol StoryofFiction tell what to the dead i said if u sit in for 3 days and u get a years worth of payment then it is more then justice like why is evrybody in this comment section psychopaths like are u good?
1 like@HastyHokage
0 likesSometimes innocent people die in prison or spend more than a few years in jail without compensation...
@grow seeds
0 likesMoney means nothing, but maybe it does for the common wealth.
This is actually wrong, money can probably give him many days or live back unless they are very old. Example: Man gets 50,000 dollars because he was sent to prison for 2 years after being falsely accused. His yearly salary is only 10,000 dollars. Meaning if he gets 50,000 dollars he wont need to work for 5 years giving some of his life back. Though this does not apply to everyone as not everyone gets that much money, is young, has hard work, or wants to work.
0 likesThe only way i think is if they literally give untaxed millions of dollars with your record wiped completely clean. So you can start a new and better life. Thats only if you did like no more than 2yrs in prison.
0 likes@Vuk ehhh
0 likesA lot of people commenting about how willingly they'd take 3 days for $46,000, and of course, I would too. But it wasn't just three days in jail then a payday. That was 72 hours of wondering if three days was gonna turn into 20 years. Every hour, the dread increases, the thought you're gonna get fucked over intensifies, and the anxiety increases.
0 likesLike the video said, yeah, in hindsight, we'd all take that deal. But for someone that went through it without the guarantee of freedom, $46,000 may have very well not even been close to worth it. In fact, I think it's bullshit and I'd want that detective in jail for lying and trying to force a false confession as well.
And to top it off, there are barely if any consequences for those responsible, let alone false accusers. Wish someone would start vigilantism against these people.
0 likesI love how suddenly everyone assumes that jails are full of innocent people. You probably got completely wrong message after watching Shawk Redemption.
0 likesPro tip which will help you kids in life. Bad places house bad people. Don't go to prison looking for virtuous justice fighters.
MORE MONEY!!!!
0 likes@REgamesplayer " It is better to risk saving a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one. " – Voltaire
0 likesI don't think many people are making that assumption btw.
@Vuk A hell of an hourly rate.
0 likesThe Lord our God is a fair judge. He will recompense all. Wrath to the wicked and infinite reward to those who seek after God and believe in Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
1 likeWe move on to eternity. Not the grave.
Death could never have overcome God.
But He took on flesh and overcame death for us through the Cross.
Seek Jesus.
dixon got 46k for 3 days of jail? that's pretty good lol it's 1 year of pay
0 likesOne...Billion dollars!
0 likesI was falsely charged and in jail for 7 days. I was told I did it and they knew I did it and that was that. I thought my life was over. I’m white by the way.
0 likes@INeedTherapy yeah but problem is is that its a gamble.
0 likes@Ronen Salathe correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was imprisoned for a different crime awhile back. Which is one reason why he was so afraid of going back to jail for several more years
0 likes@Ronen Salathe damn that's unfortunate. Thanks for the clarification
0 likes@INeedTherapy Ok but we won’t tell you how long you go to jail for? You just get accused of doing wrong and taken to jail. That’s the psychological kicker.
0 likeswho cares 💀
0 likes@808bboarder bro bro bro am just saying if i were to be thrown in jail for 3 days and get out of there with like 46k i wouldnt complain afterwards
0 likes@grow seeds literally
0 likesI seriously hope the fückin duche of a cop got owned at some time. Karma usually gets these awful humans at some point….
0 likesThose detectives should be castrated for what they did to Justin.
0 likesThe difference between 1 and 2 is that 1 believes that his innocence matters and #2 has had enough experience with the system to know that it doesnt
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So true and so sad.
70 likesno the difference is 1 is black and knows if he acted like 2 they'd have beat him half to death and leave him to rot in jail while moving slow af on the trial.
150 likesVery well said.
1 like@Debo Datta dude are you serious?
25 likesExactly. One is a guy who thinks he'll work with the system and get sent home.
39 likesThe other is a guy who worked with the system before and knows he won't get sent home.
@Noahshad why wouldn't they be serious? The police had a description of a short white man and deliberately chose to arrest a tall black man. If he reacted in a violent way, they wouldn't take it nicely.
75 likes@Debo Datta do you actually think that happens beyond the very few stories we are told through movies?
9 likesThis is so dark but true
0 likes@Mr.ChoppSticks Gaming lmfaoo the fact that you think police violence towards blacks only happens in "movies" is very telling
65 likesOne is also Canadian and the other in the United states.
9 likes@Marfin oh that's great. You were referring to yourself, right?
12 likes@Mystery Williams No, talking about the person fixated on race.
8 likesWhen the commercials come on I play count the white people.
5 likes@Mystery Williams I forgot was it the white guy that spent 2 years in jail or the other guy? By the way, the video wasn’t about race it was about guilty until proven innocent.
7 likes@HowTo SaveALife hun no one said the video was about race. I'm sorry someone commenting on racial issues and injustices makes you that uncomfortable. Maybe you should unpack that.
12 likesThe thing people need to learn is that as soon as they read you your Miranda Rights is to ask for a lawyer. Soon as they read you your rights you know they interrogating you which means you're a suspect and they believe you did it and will try to get you to say you did.
11 likesNever talk to the cops after they read you your rights. It's a huge red flag.
@Marfin you mean the person fixated on history right?
8 likes@Trocoplaytv No, I mean the person fixated on how a person looks. Thats what racism is afterall
1 likeI would like to mention this is clearly a British/English police station where while he may have been arrested for being black, against the description, in terms of being beaten is extremely low because guilty or not he would be eligible to sue, being killed is almost non existent due to British police procedure. And also Britain dosen't have/use the Miranda rights but do use something similar
2 likes@Alex Bradbury
0 likesThe video said it was in Canada. Also, being killed is almost non existent in American procedure as well, so what is your point?
SO TRUE
0 likes@Mr.ChoppSticks Gaming it happens every single day in people of colour and the fact that you don't know shows how privileged you are
2 likes@Marfin What a stretch to refer to them as racist. It’s not a fixation, but rather an observation based on many experiences and ancecdotes shared by people of that race. At no point did the individual assert any inferiority of any race in their comments. I understand the need to try and look at other factors, but there could be issues in being dismissive of race not being a factor at all.
8 likes@Hugo lopez incorrect, a inferiority was asserted. It was asserted that if the 1st person acted like the 2nd, he would of been beaten and came to this conclusion merely on the race of both the accused and the police office. That is racist.
1 like@Hugo lopez Whether or not something is racist isn't contingent on the assertion of any inferiority either way. The sole qualifier for anything to be racist is that it is a statement, action, or assumption based on race. Given that, almost everyone in the replies to this comment is a racist. Including the people up on their high horse who think they are more "woke" than others.
1 likeI’m black… I had the same thing. A guy said I told him to get his d**k out and I said no so I knocked him out. I did KO him but that wasn’t why, it was self defence (long story). I reacted like the first guy because I knew I was innocent and because I’m black… acting like the second guy whilst black is a jail sentence, period. The white guy wasn’t acting like that because he knows his innocence doesn’t matter… he’s acting like that because he knows what it’s like to be guilty and because he’s an idiot. If I was in his exact position (which I basically was but worse cause I did actually fracture a guys face) I would have gotten away with it. His reaction is foolish and that’s why he got the 2 years whereas I was sent home the following morning without a blemish on my record. Released on “preemptive strike in defence of another”. If you’re black, watch your tone, show you’re not a stereo type and trust in your innocence. Work on being articulate and smart. That way you can spend 3 days or less in a jail rather than 2 years for something you didn’t do and if your black, probably more
2 likesI’m black… I had the same thing. A guy said I told him to get his d**k out and I said no so I knocked him out. I did KO him but that wasn’t why, it was self defence (long story). I reacted like the first guy because I knew I was innocent and because I’m black… acting like the second guy whilst black is a jail sentence, period. The white guy wasn’t acting like that because he knows his innocence doesn’t matter… he’s acting like that because he knows what it’s like to be guilty and because he’s an idiot. If I was in his exact position (which I basically was but worse cause I did actually fracture a guys face) I would have gotten away with it. His reaction is foolish and that’s why he got the 2 years whereas I was sent home the following morning without a blemish on my record. Released on “preemptive strike in defence of another”. If you’re black, watch your tone, show you’re not a stereo type and trust in your innocence. Work on being articulate and smart. That way you can spend 3 days or less in a jail rather than 2 years for something you didn’t do and if your black, probably more. Yes, race matters… but charm and articulation matters more
1 like@Mystery Williams lmao you comment makes it seem like its a common thing. It isn't, and if it is it should be easy to find unbiased reports.
1 like@Mystery Williams lmfaoo the fact you think police violence is restricted only towards "blacks" is very telling
0 likesYes, I am mocking what you said
@Saucylot not you twisting my words to say that it only happens to black people lol. I said what I said
2 likes@Mystery Williams Then why focus on violence against black people? Why not just talk about police violence in general? It's an issue that affects everyone.
1 likeLol! Throw a stone in a crowd and the only dog who barks is the one who got hit!
0 likes@narcissism isadisease you’ll get like 2 out of 30 these days
0 likesEdit: and I totally agree with your name 😂
@Mr.ChoppSticks Gaming yes it actually does. Has 2020 really taught you nothing?
1 like@Debo Datta Racist for even presuming that It's based on race.
0 likesWell, he wasn't innocent the first time so he got what he deserved... And he knows that jail is a scary place better than any innocent person that's why he was so dramatically afraid and not because the system is just a hungry monster...
0 likes@Amanda Barnhart grow up
0 likes@Noahshad um yes. It is true.
0 likes@Sandra Bullock okay 👌🏻
0 likesPoor Michael, was nearly in tears watching it as he looks like he doesn’t have a bad bone in his body. Really wish i could give him a hug. Bless him
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Respect, Ella. I felt the same. In fact: I know a guy just like Michael and he doesn't have a bad bone in his body either. It was institutional racism and terrible, lazy, stupid policing.
26 likes@Paul Mallinson Institutional rasicm? Calm down now.
1 likeIn fact this happens often and the difference is some black men in the same situation don’t have the funds to fight and simply give in. Some give false confessions ironically thinking they’ll get to go home. Some lose their jobs because unlike this guy a detective doesn’t check into their story till weeks later before their court date and they sit in jail with no bail set or no bail money. $50,000 isn’t enough money to possibly lose my job and have that false arrest on record, believe me it never goes away.
13 likes9:57 Oh HellllNaw! I like this guys accent. He sounds like he comes straight off the back alleys and mean streets of Appalachia?
0 likesThis is more nerve-wracking than watching an actual guilty person getting interrogated.
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AGREE. I can’t take the unfair grilling of innocent people.
11 likesKind of puts you in their seat. Yikes
2 likesThis is actually more common in police stations than interrogation of actual guilty people.
6 likesFred Hampton's Ghost 100% believe it
3 likesThat’s probably because you’re highly empathetic. Usually those are the types of people who get the most anxiety watching misfortune happen to others, even if you don’t know them or have never spoken to them.
1 likeINNOCENT. HE HAD NO PART IN THIS CRIME.
0 likesi feel so bad for him, just a shy guy and he got sent to jail for 3 days
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And got paid $653.00 an hour for it.
95 likes@Rs Rt least they could do.
142 likesSeveral people have been convicted in similar situations.
17 likesHell I’d get locked up for 3 days for $50,000. But it could have gone way worse for him, that white guy got strung up for 2 years for that thing he didn’t do. For any amount of money I’d have to at least think about 2 years in the pen.
67 likes@CHILIDOG HAMSALAD Most people would accept an offer like that, but this wasn't the situation he found himself in. He didn't know he was going to be released at all- for all he knew, he was spending years in captivity. There's a lot of stress that goes along with that. He didn't know he'd be free within the week, he didn't know he was going to get some money out of it. It's not a good situation to be in at all and the money is well deserved.
58 likesintroverted is not the same as shy, we're pretty confident dude
18 likesThank God it wasn't 3 years ....
4 likes@Daniel McCoy there was zero evidence that he did anything. They wouldn't have been able to hold him for long anyway, whatever color he was. Especially if he got a lawyer. Not saying bad things couldn't happen, but most likely he would've been fine even if he was a different color or more extraverted
5 likesI agree, although I feel even worse for that guy wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years
9 likesChloe Carpenter I cant even imagine that, poor guy
5 likes@A K Yeah you know what happens is you get charged for something someone else did, next thing you know you are doing some fucked up shit in the pen cause that's what you do to survive then you catch charges while your inside and after the initial charge is negated you stay in for doing that shit on the inside. And you don't get $50,000. You don't get shit if you catch a charge on the inside. Prison is dangerous and shitty and no good can ever come of it, not even a chance.
6 likesImagine being ready to send an innocent guy in jail, thinking it will help you to get a promotion!
10 likesThis kind of people really makes me sick...
I mean it depends on how you look at it.. he got paid 46 grand for a 3 day motel stay. I'm sure in hindsight he sees it as a Devine blessing.
0 likes@kari c. I get what you're trying to say.. but I don't think the opposite of shy is confidence. I'd say insecure.. shy is just normal. So is insecure.
0 likesI guess it just boils down to personality which is a construct of hundreds of different little variants. Introverts can be confident (I believe myself to be one) and I think most the time they are... extroverts I think seem more confident to people at a surface level bcos they are putting out all this energy to hide their insecurities... again everyone is different but this seems to be the case most the time. Loud/cocky/confident is actually not confident and quiet/shy/introvert etc is usually confident.
He is the most innocence dude ever
0 likesHow can you say that when in the same video you see a white guy convicted and jailed when innocent. Stop dragging race into things
6 likesconcrete_junkie don’t think so: he had a bail-ordered curfew among other restrictions for NINE MONTHS after that... (source: https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2011/05/26/police-have-learned-lessons-chief.html )
0 likes@Fretbuzz shit I'd do it for that money.. wouldn't you?
0 likesYou could use that curfew to your advantage and take some time to fix your action/intonation on your guitar so you don't have to name yourself fret buzz 😆✌
Hes actually the nicest guy ever and smart as shit
2 likes@Daniel McCoy knowledge really is power you know?
0 likes@Rs Rt honestly that the least of it man, poor guy tried to be nice while beeing acusated falsly, get 3 rough days in prison....
1 likenice ppl are always fucked by life and they're too nice to even get angry about it when someone confuse their kindness with weakness. i'm sure the guy was not even that angry comming out and would still talk gently to the officers. so yeah i'm glad he got paid, that's money well spent.
@Chloe Carpenter yeah poor guy too, the moment he realise the true plot and also figures out he's going down for it... heartbreaking
0 likesbut he also got 46 grand for it so it worked out pretty well for him, the question is, why? Racist cops? Or were they just lazy and incompetent?
0 likes@Prismo yeah, he got 46 grand for a 3 day motel stay except where he stayed made some fleabag motel look like the penthouse at the Ritz-Carlton
1 like@Daniel McCoy a few shades darker and that would be t for him??? He got THREE days and 50k?!?! The WHITE guy a few shades LIGHTER got NOTHING and 2 YRS
2 likesWould sue
0 likesThis is both sad and infuriating...
0 likesThat man is so patient in the face of being accused of a crime and being treated as though he were guilty... I admire that
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He is amazing
5 likesFor real. I like to say I'm a patient person, but I think I would've blown up in that guys face. Like what do you mean "whether you did it or not is not a point of discussion"?? wtf? Just watching this made me angry
15 likesThis video is a bit misleading. Not everyone who is innocent will act up loud and make all the body language described. It completely depends on the individual. And as aside sex offenders who are required to undergo polygraph interrogations have to deal with being seen as guilty for hours all based on BS test(polygraph). And they have to do it on a regular basis.
1 likeGreat fortitude. Definitely an admirable character. I’m going to follow this interaction more
1 like@David Smith true if your shy you arent gonn be that loud. You would be in the middle of the two men.
0 likesWhere's Jeff when you need him. I ain't saying a God damn thing. Now give me my coke and i'm outta here.
0 likesDavid Smith that’s literally what he said in the video. So no it’s not misleading
0 likesThat was not this mans first rodeo
0 likesThe girl who slandered the second guy should be imprisoned for lying and deliberately ruining person’s life
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but... muh opresion!!! wamman hav been opress for 9137 decade we deserve reveng!!??
84 likes-thanks for having common sense yall, but this comment is sarcastic dw
Case might be that boyfriend beaten girlfriend up and girlfriend first went to police to fuck up her boyfriend but boyfriend might have threatened her. So she might have changed the story to save her skin.
23 likesRegardless, "slender" is a civil case. And if he can prove her slandering his reputation he can compensate a lot of money from the woman. Of course woman needs to have the money or she will "owe" the money. Which may end up him still getting nothing if woman is broke.
@kewl stuff did he say she was caught lying in the trial?
6 likes@alena Well we don't even know if the guy who were accused asked for a civil case for anything at all.
1 likeOr even not sure if the guy who is accused was right in his assumption.
And I wouldn't go after searching that far.
@ns2k I’m a woman and I’m furious over injustice
30 likes@kewl stuff a false report is a criminal case
7 likes@kewl stuff he’s not saying she should be in jail over slander. She DID slander him by way of a false report, which is a crime.
10 likes@John Smith he was going to spend over 20 years in jail basically ruin his youth all because she deliberately lied she deserves to be in jail for lying
18 likes@John Smith I wasn't sure if police was telling the truth by telling the guy that he was reported for doing it. Since police can lie about evidence in USA. But can police lie about why someone's getting arrested in USA?
1 like@ns2k what?
10 likesShe probably was as it was stated in the video, she was "Caught lying multiple times on the stand". Which is a federal crime in the US and a very serious one in most other countries.
5 likes@ns2k are you 12?
13 likes@You Zhou i hope so 🙏
2 likes@Girl Happy injustice with what?
1 like@Amira J it was a joke. Relax.
3 likes@I fard In your pants we know it's a joke, it's just a terrible childish one
11 likes@Rob L the terrible childish jokes are the best
1 like@alena This is what I didn't understand. They say she was caught in court. They also say he was wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years.
2 likesBelieve all women!!
0 likes@I fard In your pants everyone knows it’s supposed to be a joke it’s just everyone who isn’t still in middle school grew out of their “grr feminazi!” phase once they started talking to actual women in real life
6 likes@Morberticus Probably was unable to post bail for one reason or another and had to wait out his trial in jail if I had to guess.
0 likes@Amira J why should he shut up? he's right
1 likethe said feminists fight for equality: a man would be charged or in jail for falsely accusing people, but a woman doesn't just bc she's a woman??????
@flowey fangirl yes, she should be imprisoned, but the original comment the person replied to was saying the same thing. Same with basically everyone under this comment thread. Nobody thinks she should get away with this. Y'all are making imaginary arguments in your head and then combating them.
2 likes@ns2k people are flooding your replies because your comment was a painfully unfunny strawman. Just delete it if it bothers you that much lmao
2 likes@ns2k Too many femenazis are under your comment lol
0 likes@flowey fangirl they edited the comment after i made my comment. i thought they were saying women deserve revenge so they were glad that the man was falsely accused which i clearly disagreed with
0 likes@kewl stuff Hey, its america. Prisons for profit + happy trigger cops + institutionalized racism = orwelian corporatocracy. Its the country that imprisoned Bradley Manning for revealing war crimes. Remember the war veteran arrested after giving an epic speech to a huge crowd? Nothing new here.
0 likes@KosmoKrater Try to live in Turkey for a while, journalists getting arrested for doing journalism (one of the highest journalist imprisonment rates). And you get arrested for saying anything offensive to country's leaders. Same racist bigotry towards Armenians and Kurds exists too. Any government employee can't be imprisoned (including teachers at public schools). So... fun fun fun.
0 likes@ns2kspot the virgin
0 likes@•• imagine not understanding blatant sarcasm
0 likes@Grizz Yankee are you?
0 likes:(
0 likes@kewl stuff armenia is known for imprisoning opposition leaders. What are you talking about lmao. As if it is an exemplary country. Please shut up. Don’t bring politics into this thread
1 like@Girl Happy the guy said; "USA was awful when it came to freedom and I just compared Turkey to that. You might be right, I was just simply stating USA wasnt 'that' bad. Armenia could be worse than Turkey this also claims my point, USA isn't 'that' bad. "politics" will come no matter what. In this case, he brought the subject, but I don't mind. We were having a respectful conversation. You didn't had to be toxic.
0 likes@kewl stuff you are the one who is toxic bringing politics into this thread under my comment 🤦♀️
1 likeAnd yes not only USA has problems but other countries have problems too. By changing the subject you just take away from importance of the main point, which is the guilty woman in the video who needs to be punished
@Girl Happy "It can only happen in USA, what it became" was pretty much relevant to the comment I suppose*. Nah, you're being toxic by simply picking and choosing whom to attack although people already drifted from your fucking point. Also, anything is 'political' your statement is political by "this woman should be punished." since government of USA will do it. If you're thinking every time a government is mentioned it is political. A country, that who doesn't let men take the custody of their children most of the time. Where women are mostly privileged and claim that men are. So yeah, thanks. Most probably it won't happen and even your first post was already political. In fact, everything in some context political and economical discussion. You trying to find a reason to attack any one claiming "anything" and "everything" turning into "political" and "ruining it because it turned political" is just BS reason to attack me and that's it.
0 likes@Girl Happy I did; answered; " We don't even know, maybe since police can lie about evidence, they lied about it as well"
0 likesYes slender should be punishable. But needs proof as well.
You claim you didn't care about my country yet; "Oh Armenians had it worst" a-ha. You claim a gender issue, where women gets away with slender most of the time and you claim it wasn't political? :D OK. Gender issue is usually feminist or LGBTQ political agenda but whatever. I guess you weren't political at all.
As an attorney, this kind of scenario is shockingly common, as I can attest. It's one of the most disturbing parts of the US justice system . Thank you for bringing attention to it🙏
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how many "you match the description"-cases did you personally come across? i think this one is extra terrifying considering the fact the witness described a white guy and they arrested a black guy lol
14 likesnot only a US problem, its a human problem. if u think the US is bad, just wait til you experience other countries...
12 likesthese issues are as old as time, and the solutions have already been thought out wisely, centuries ago - hence the UK/US adversarial court / trial system etc with rules of evidence etc.
but any system ultimately is only as good as the sincerity, tenacity, courage and virtue of the individual humans implementing it.
I'm glad I live in civilized country where police is not allowed to lie in interrigation.
3 likes@Ate Laihosola Sounds like you're living in 'The Invention of Lying' movie
1 likeThis is Canada....
2 likesjguthrie In The Barbara Graham Case she refused immunity. The chief prosecution witness John True took it .Prosecutors charged her ( and two others, one of which was Emmett Perkins ). She denied she was there. She said at the trial she was at home. She had no alibi when she was charged. Instead of considering facts and credibility, the next step the prosecutors took was after jail authorities told prosecutors she may have an alibi but not yet, as they had seen her attorney's letter to her in which he said to her, which she read, she was likely go to the gas chamber unless he could locate her alibi witnesses.The prosecutors' next step was to put an undercover policewoman into the cells who got a fellow prisoner to agree to approach Barbara Graham and say she, the fellow prisoner, had an alibi-seller outside, and then the prosecutors put an undercover policeman in to act as the alibi-seller and tell Barbara Graham he would give her an alibi but not unless she told him she was there with the others charged, in order to get the three accused in each others' presence and get all three for the murder. Otherwise it would have been - should have been a separate trial for her, the undercover " alibi-seller " then, as per instructions, therefore - to get the other two through her ( and through one other, a Baxter Shorter who had disappeared, kidnapped, presumed dead, and could be linked through an eyewitness, Shorter's wife, who saw Emmett Perkins kidnap Baxter Shorter who had identified True, Perkins, another named Santo and Barbara Graham except that he thought the woman he alleged was there they called Mary, and as she could not be at the conspiracy with them on March 8th 1953 where True said she was called Mary True was saying Mary was where Shorter heard her called that name, and as she could not be there as True in a statement prosecutors had, but which statement they did not produce at the trial, True said he met Barbara Graham for the first time on March 9th 1953 - this meant she did not have knowledge of the crime and therefore Shorter was lying when he said he met her to go over to Mable Monahan's house on March 9th and they called her Mary - for him the first time - [ and she was not told on March 9th - there was no evidence of that ] - the prosecution's case was that she was told on March 8th - therefore Shorter must have seen Barbara Graham somewhere else innocently other than at the crime and told her name was Mary and the evidence - the real evidence therefore proved Perkins, Shorter, True and Santo were framing her for the crime, the murder.True alleged Shorter was there on the 8th and Shorter did not mention it but stated he met True on the 8th somewhere else, to plan robbing Mable Monahan, alleging " they " - True, Perkins and Santo - said she was out. The prosecution assumed in their evidence the inference that therefore " they " included Barbara Graham [ so assuming her guilt ] by conclusion without a fact in evidence before evidence of identification by corroboration of True by Shorter so leading to the possibility he [ and True ] could have seen her somewhere else and were framing her - the prosecution should've been alert to that ) but Shorter said he did not meet Mary until March 9th so this contradiction should have led to the awareness she was framed - by Shorter as being there on March 9th as Shorter knew Mable Monahan - he had a motive to frame her as did the others for Shorter's knowing Mable Monahan would lead police to him to them and he knew Cohen from whom the money had been stolen wass put in Mable Monahan's house [ they thought ] by Scherer, Mable Monahan's ex-son-in-law, and this could be traced; so Shorter went into police and alleged Mary led them in - Shorter was a break-and-enterer and that way would avoid First Degree Murder - the gas chamber - the self-alibiing for Shorter - Perkins, Santo who made up the story Barbara Graham go into the house first, according to True ). Thus Sirianni, the undercover officer instructed to trap Barbara Graham as the counterfeit alibi-seller in the prison lied he was afraid he would be caught out if Shorter returned unless she confessed she was there so she said " I was there " - to get the alibi, knowing she knew she would go to the gas chamber if she didn't have it- and prosecutors knowing she knew and prosecutors knowing they had to get in first before her attorney found her witness and gave her her alibi. Then the prosecution had the fellow prisoner testify Barbara Graham approached her to ask her if she knew an alibi-seller and the fellow prisoner walked free after giving testimony and denying in court she had a deal.( Why? - prosecutors sure they know she is guilty - they just know - amazing assumption ). One of her independent witness gave a statement saying she was at home but didn't show up at the trial. No-one bothered to subpoena him it seems. The conspirator who took immunity, John True, testified she was at the conspiracy on March 8th. The prosecutors failed to produce his statement in which he said he met her first on March 9th because it showed she had no knowledge. The chief Prosecutor alleged she confessed to pistolwhipping Mable Monahan until dead before she died. The Autopsy Surgeon testified Mable Monahan was strangled - the cause of death. True testified at the trial Barbara put a pillowcase over Mrs Monahan's head at the end of the house in a hall. At The Grand Jury he testified she put the pillowcase over Mable's head at inside the front door of the house. He testified the pillowcase was only put on once. The statement withheld revealed JohnTrue said Emmett Perkins put the pillowcase over Mable Monahan's head not Barbara Graham. Two weeks before he was executed Perkins made a confession on a point - the pistolwhipping True had alleged Barbara Graham did. Perkins made the confession he was there ( he had denied so at the trial ). In answer to a request to clear Barbara Graham Perkins told Pullitzer Prize-winning journalist Edward S. Montgomery, " Montgomery, that ol' lady was never pistolwhipped. She was beat with her own cane. " (Prosecutors did not act on this information and if it was used in an Appeal it must have been as a ground for a new trial. Why? - if it was used as it seems it must have been for the separate trial ). Prosecutors " knew " Barbara Graham was guilty. The procedure - " the end ( of alibi-framing ) - justifies the means" proves they convinced themselves she was guilty - not by the facts but by " a guess " so sure it proves they held this guilt before innocence view. The Chief Prosecutor authorized and collaborated on a book in 1960 in which it was admitted the alibi approach on Barbara Graham was " underhand. " In the book was revealed one of the conspirators said they all went over in one car - True said two cars went over, putting Barbara Graham in two cars and one car at the same time with True. The end justifies the means. " Good people are so sure they're right" - Barbara Graham's last words. She was executed in 1955. John True walked free. The main Source is Kathleen A. Cairns' Proof of Guilt: Barbara Graham and The Politics of Executing Women in America University of Nebraska Press I Lincoln and London and my own book about Barbara Graham's innocence but her book is about the way proof is obtained and presented in the American Justice system and is my main source to her innocence as my book The Innocence of Barbara Graham is concerned with Barbara Graham's innocence.The way proof, however, is presented is not confined to there. I was a lawyer in another jurisdiction and rote procedure of framing is prevalent there as it still is ( as you so aptly say in your comment which I presume to rely to ) with the ex-D.A. of San Francisco failing to provide a statement clearing an accused in a death penalty case and had to be ordered by a Judge to do so and is now running for ( really ) president. COPYRIGHT from The Innocence of Barbara Graham by David de Pinna.
0 likesMy favorite proof of Micheal Dixon’s innocence: his one phone call is to call into work to let them know you won’t be at work in the morning. Not to a lawyer. Not to someone who can bail him out. To his employer about his shift. When has anyone guilty ever done that? Lol
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Doesn't really prove anything, a lot of actual criminals don't even consider the thought that they should get a lawyer asap.
72 likes@Thelema yep they think getting/asking for a lawyer makes them look guilty. tho if youre really innocent you could also be lawyering up to free yourself or even sue so it doesnt make much sense. seems a lot of acting guilty is overcompensating and trying to act innocent but its usually too much
141 likesGetting a lawyer isnt acting any more guilty of a crime, than putting on a bullet proof vest before going into a firefight.
70 likesHe's got to see a judge to see how much his bail is first before he can even get bailed out.
7 likesI laughed at end when he thanked the police officer.
No. Asking for a lawyer does not denote, nor infer guilt.
35 likesNeither does silence.
@Thelema I think you missed the point completely tbh. He's saying that letting your boss know you're not going to be in Tomorrow instead of getting a lawyer is pretty much unheard of. Like let's be fkn real here, THEY WOULD BE THE LAST PEOPLE YOU CONTACT. Family. Friends. Lover. Lawyer. Fkn last person I'd call is my boss with my one call. Use ya 🧠
36 likes@Dustin Jones yes
0 likes@Nah yes
1 likeFor people who don't get it, someone who is arrested and actually guilty is not going to have a high priority about calling their work. Given that they are guilty and have been caught, they would not be likely to keep that job anyway. The point is not whether or not they get a lawyer but the relative priority of calling into work first.
15 likes@Delos that’s not a reasonable deduction. Any normal person regardless of guilty or not guilty should call a lawyer, that’s just how it goes.
3 likes@Nikiko I agree about the lawyer and that's beside the point. The point is understanding differences in external reactions based purely on someone's internal knowledge.
12 likesSo assume someone is guilty. Are they going to:
1. Ask to call their work as the first and only call they make.
2. NOT even ask to call a lawyer?
No. That was the point. IF they made a call it would (and should) be to their lawyer. It's only someone who's innocent who might not consider calling a lawyer (and calling work instead). Even though I agree, they should have in hindsight.
But I wouldn't call a lawyer in that situation either, unless I was guilty. Because lawyers cost money. I would at least initially assume there was some huge and obvious mistake somewhere that should not require a lawyer.
Yea, what was the cop thinking after that...did he suppose micheal was thinking "well I just robbed a jewelry store, good thing I did it fast enough to get to bed before my nine to five tomorrow morning.
5 likesI think I understand what you’re getting at. You’re saying that Michael is a decent human being that even at this high pressure situation, he thought about making sure his work knows he is not going to be in that day.
4 likesBiggest mistake people make is thinking that because they're innocent the cops will help them n it'll be figured out. FUCKIN WRONG
4 likes@Delos I’m depressed that had to be explained but I read so many comments that made me think I’d suffered a stroke.
5 likes@Delos that seems very silly. First of all, you will always have a free lawyer provided to you, second of all, if you are innocent you still want a lawyer because they will help you sort things out in case you are falsely accused. Not asking for a lawyer is the sign of someone who either is way too confident, trolling, or has no idea how the Criminal justice system works.
2 likes@Thelema wrong
0 likesHahahah so true
0 likes@Nikiko You're still missing the point that someone who's innocent is more likely to assume there is no real evidence against them, as it happened even in this exceptional case of misconduct.
4 likesAdditionally you do not get a public defendant in that situation and if you've noticed, lawyer fees cost an arm and a leg. One of the many ways the justice system is biased towards the wealthy, bail being another. I know some people can't imagine how others can be less wealthy than themselves, but not everyone has thousands of dollars of discretionary savings they can or want to put into a legal case based on a false accusation. So yes they will take the public defender (which is assigned once they go to court, NOT with their initial phone call).
There's a similar reason why innocent people often are advised and do take plea deals. They aren't "trolling" themselves; the system is trolling them. It isn't right but it is completely rational.
@Yeassiree how
0 likesso never call a lawyer, sure this will work out just fine
0 likes@Nikiko the point is going right over your head
2 likesThe notion that you only get one phone call is a pop culture myth. You're entitled to contact someone to make them aware of your whereabouts immediately, and generally you're entitled to up to three phone calls "within a reasonable time" after you're booked. Although your lawyer should be contacting people on your behalf if that's required and a good lawyer would certainly do so.
0 likes@Nikiko this is just embarrassing
2 likesOk, ppl don´t understand the point in english, so here it is in german:
2 likesMeine Fresse, es geht einfach nur darum, dass es für Schuldige höchst ungewöhnlich wäre, bei ihrer Arbeit anzurufen, dass sie morgen leider nicht kommen können. Es ist bereits ein Zeichen dafür, dass er unschuldig und sehr glaubwürdig ist.
@Dustin Jones well, in the absolutely cucked state of Canada certain provinces made it illegal to own ballistic body armor
0 likes@Pepe Beezon Clearly aside from the forces of the state, only criminals would need to protect themselves against bullets.
0 likesSpot on
0 likes@Delos
0 likesIt is a really stupid point because in neither case (guilty or not) I'm going to call my job first, it is dumb as hell.
Your entire point is that no guilty person is going to call boss first, but outside this man, no innocent man would either.
@Delos you do get a public defender in this situation. You've proven across multiple comments you're ignorant to how alot of this works.
0 likesQuite a lot actually. That dude seemed really guilty because of his introverted nature.
0 likes@Dustin Jones ???? What a warped reality you must be living in.
0 likes@AngryTwxGaming What country do you live in? Because in the USA you're factually incorrect. You can't call a public defender right after arrest because you won't have one yet... You have to apply for one and prove you can't afford a lawyer.
0 likesNotice how I'm not calling you ignorant, just pointing out where you're wrong. Feel free to do the same or else I'm going to assume you have nothing.
@Gerhard Smith 3000 people understood the insight you missed, which also happened in the actual case. Case in point on why you don't generalize your own opinion to everyone else.
0 likesThough now I'm curious, do you not usually call your job if you're not going to be at work or what is your logic there?
@Delos
0 likesI didn't missed it, it's just a really stupid insight, but funny how you try to paint it as if it was a problem of everyone else who doesn't agree with you instead of just thinking that it is a really dumb point.
Also, wow, 3000 people on youtube agree with your point? Congratulations, almost like if you could go to any comment section on youtube and see stupid comments get over 1k likes, great point there. I just saw I guy on a Gorillaz song put a wrong translation and reading (factually incorrect btw) into the song and get more likes than the person correcting him on the responses, go figure how relevant are your likes.
@Thelema Even if not guilty, you would ask for a lawyer if you were being convicted without thought. You'd be stupid not to.
0 likes@John Doee Yeah, I know schools aren't teaching reading comprehension anymore, but why don't you try understanding the context of what you're commenting on? You'll live longer.
0 likes@Yeassiree And my point was that many people are stupid.
0 likes@Gerhard Smith Huh? You're the one who painted it as something no one would ever do. And now you're re-interpreting it as a "problem" when I just asked why you think that? It isn't a problem. I was asking why you concluded no one would call their work if they're not going to be able to go to work through no fault of their own?
0 likes@Delos sorry I didn’t get back sooner, but that’s total bullshit. You can talk to the police about arranging a lawyer if you don’t have one right at the station. You also are provided internet access to search for lawyers. There are plenty of ways you can get yourself a lawyer. An innocent person should be even more inclined to get a lawyer, because getting bail to get back to their everyday life is of such importance. But just so you know, you obviously ask for a public defender right as you are arrested if you do not have your own lawyer. They will call you back and have someone come over to talk to you. What sort of idea is going through your head that you can’t talk to your public defendant until count starts? Obviously you can get them within a couple days of being arrested.
0 likesThat poor ginger guy... I felt his pain. He was so scared because he already knew what prison was like and just didn't want to go back especially wrongfully.
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He also had been trying incredibly hard to avoid doing anything to land him there... and then it was all apperantly pointless in that moment.
256 likesIt also seems like he really hates people assaulting women. He looked pretty surprised and offended that they accused him of that. He didnt want to go back to jail with a label like that.
185 likesLike bruh who tf names their kid Candy
60 likesFelt so bad for him he said he worked his ass off since he got out and did nothing but work and go home
60 likessucks so bad especially because past prison time makes him look worse
34 likeshe even got the 2 years fuck me
15 likesthat guys sounds exactly like my brother
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/9ybPI5NNxc8 frfr
0 likesRedheads are often wrongly pulled in because there's so little of them the one redhead you see is clearly the same redhead...it's insane
4 likesI mean, he is going to make MILLIONS from wrongfully imprisoned.
7 likes@J K But he isn't going to get the 2 years of his life back. And those 2 years probably damaged his mental health even more than his previous sentence, because this time he was innocent and was labeled as someone who assaulted a woman (one of the worst labels to have in prison)... :(
14 likesHe was probably also freaking out because he had been thru it before and knew just by how the cop is talking that he is going to jail!
2 likes@Isaac Dahlvang woman beaters are on the short list of people who get their asses kicked
3 likes@Chickenblade Pretty sure it’s a street name. But you never know.
1 like@Chickenblade trailer trash DansGame
0 likes@Jayden Warnke lol not in prison or jail. Alot of dudes in jail are in for domestic violence, I’d say about 60%. And alot of men in prison killed women. It’s sexual crimes against women and kids that get them hurt though.
2 likes@Chickenblade Most likely a nickname, could be short for Candice.
0 likesYea it is so **** up
1 likeHindsight is 20/20 unless it needs contacts then its 20/30
0 likesI was hoping you’d cover something like this
139 likesI suffer from severe anxiety and laugh as a defense mechanism when I am really uncomfortable which makes me look guilty to people like my mom.
I always get terrified at the thought that if I was ever falsely accused I’d be screwed.
This helps a lot.
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Joker, is that you?
0 likes😆
0 likesDispatch: “Suspect is a short white male”
3117 likesPolice: Spots tall black man
Police: puts on sun glasses “suspect has been located, in pursuit”
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One of those cops you see chewing gum with their thumbs in their belt loops
154 likesYEEEEAAAAAAAAHH
10 likesWhy copying and pasting from a same comment that was made 50 min ago ... get your own ideas man
7 likesThat dude is not black
6 likesLol, ikr. This type of shit is why some de-funding/better training of officers is needed.
25 likes@Bruno Lopes You can literary see him and his skin color....
40 likes@Bruno Lopes i'm pretty sure he said it in the video.
9 likeshell yea freedoooom
0 likesNot quite sure how the officer could think he was short, but he is just light enough to be confused as a tanned white guy.
4 likesWell okay then guys, who am I to argue with you all? I stand corrected. Sorry for my mistake!
3 likes@Pink Guy there are TWO men. The bald man at beginning and end is black. The 2nd man in the middle section is white.
1 likeCrazy!
0 likes😂😂 I'm a Black Male, so I know similar stories.
0 likesIf you were familiar with police calls, a lot of the time the initial description is from a single panicking witness and is often incorrect. If you're looking for someone who has commit a robbery, odds are they're going to be black. That's just the reality of the situation.
1 like@DrmHer you can't de-fund and better train the police. Those are two contradictory statements.
2 likes@Eg Az They've used big $$$$ in the past yrs for training supposedly, and still fck up left and right. I get people have different views on how/what to de-fund. In my own opinion, depending on various factors, they can start by lowering the pay some of those that are making near, or over 6 figures. That $ saved could then be used for more training for officers that are actually in the streets, or detectives that are clearly the main focus of all the civil unrest the past few months.
0 likesNot to mention, but even with all the training in the world, there will always be dirty officers at every level. Sure there are many great officers, but wayyyy too many bad apples nation/worldwide. So training means 0 if they care less about it...
@TVBoxMimic his facial features would definitely give him away as being black. and when they get booked don't they have to identify themselves? his ID should show his race
1 likeLol they convicted a white guy and sent him to jail for 2 YEARS in the same video.
2 likesBut you say nothing about that.
Maybe you came in with bias about police officers and race and projected them onto the video.
@JKL Im guessing the white guy is from America based on his accent. The US justice system is very corrupt and I absolutely do care and talk about stories like his bc this shouldn't have happened at all. Black ppl just face this more often (ex. Central Park Five)
0 likesCrying
0 likesJKL I never said that was right? I’m pointing out that they literally picked up a dude that was the exact opposite of the suspect description. The woman in the other case lied and accused the white dude and the police were just going off of what they had (witness reports) whereas the other case they ignored suspect description and just picked up a random dude to try and get a confession out of him. You’re the one projecting bias here assuming my opinions lol.
2 likes@TVBoxMimic ya not rlly. He also has obvious black features as well as his skin.
0 likes@DrmHer If you're de-funding them, who is going to train them? My brother is qualified to be a cop and the only training he got was like 2 days where they pepper sprayed him and various other random things that wouldn't prepare you for stressful situations. You want to fund them even less to get even worse training than that? Yea...
0 likesLynn JustLynn Officers we’re receiving training in general for the same things they are now. So whoever was training them then will continue to do so now. They were supposedly already receiving training for cultural diversity etc for the past 20 years or so. So what happened lol?! If some of the top salaries are shaved off a little, then if they are still crying about money for even MORE diversity training, then that shaved money goes to that training. I’m in c. justice, and know several officers so I’m not talking out of my ass. Plus every state is different. I’m in la so now way in hell is any officer getting a weeks worth of training, with a bit of it using “pepper spray”. That would never fly...and shouldn’t for any officer in a major city. Cultural diversity training again, means 0 if the person doesn’t see you as equal or human.
0 likesEveryone thinks they are Dave Chappelle in these comments. It's an old joke. Fail.
1 like@Dave Bunnell actually, Dave Chappelle stole that joke from me. I invented jokes about racial profiling and he pays me 150k in royalties each set he does. Also if you’ve ever made any jokes about race disparity/profiling please provide me with your email so I can send you an invoice. Otherwise you will hear from my lawyer soon, Mr Bunnell.
0 likesIf he was black then he was very shiny. 🤔
0 likes@Arturo Pastor he said it in the video genius
0 likes@TVBoxMimic the officer better be 12 feet tall and partially blind for this to make any kind of sense.
0 likes"My vision is augmented"
0 likesA young woman went missing local to where we live. My dad thought that he saw her walking across the bridge whilst he was out walking the dog. He called the police to report it and they tried to treat him like a suspect. The woman was found absolutely fine shortly later, and my dad has vowed never to assist the police again.
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I don't blame him. You try to help possibly save someone's life and all of a sudden they look at you as the bad guy.
16 likesI called cops once, because of a neighbors insane domestic dispute. Cops showed up at my house and tried to shoot my dog. I'll never understand or trust cops over it
29 likes@Bøï 89 They still have to react properly, because otherwise criminals can simply call on their own crime and get away with it. Your dad did the right thing and should keep doing it.
1 likeYour dad is absolutely right to not trust the police. When I tell my kids to never talk to the police I tell them that includes being a witness. Let someone else be the hero and talk.
1 likePoor Michael and Justin, oh my god. I feel so bad for them both, I can’t believe Justin had to deal with jail for doing nothing wrong!
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Indeed, damn
5 likesRely fucked up !
4 likesand he got no compensation or anything
2 likesDo not worry. God has a way of dealing perfect justice. The accusers are going to really be making themselves suffer. It may not seem like it now but it’s gonna come back to bite them when they die. But whatever good deed you did for someone is also gonna come back to you. God’s judgment is scary if you were a bad person. but it could be a rewarding thing if you are a good person.
1 likeHe’s so thoughtful and conscientious that he wants to call work to let them know he won’t be in. What an absolute tragedy I feel so terrible for him
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IKR?! So sad. I would not be able to remain calm.
8 likesDont feel too bad. He got 40k for 3 days of jail time lol
1 like@John Money may ease, but it doesn't absolve emotional and psychological trauma. Until you are sitting in that chair, innocent of an accusation, you'll never know those feelings. I've been there...
21 likesThe real tradegy is that this happens to tons of people and they get imprisoned for years.
23 likesWatch the netflix documentary about Kalief Browder, a 16 year old who was falsely incarcerated or 3 years, he spent 2 of those years in solitary confinement. The abuse he experienced in prison made him develop serious mental issues which ended in him hanging himself in his parents house two years after his release. Its fucking insane the shit that goes on in this world.
@Subs1338
0 likesHoly crap!
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0 likes@Subs1338 while there is "lots of shit going on in the world," I can't help but feel, that what you describe is more a testimony of how fucked up the USA are (being a western nation and all...). Incarceration of minors isn't normal in Europe and solitary confinement is seen as torture by the UN.. (not to mention that the USA still has capital punishment and strips people who paid their debt to society of their voring rights)
3 likesJohn
1 likeNo amount of special paper can make up for the amount of physical and emotional stress he was undoubtedly under for those 3 days.
"A witness had a video camera and you are seen on it"
3362 likes"Well that's fucking weird because I didn't do it"
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I always say "lets watch it together" handcuffs come off
270 likes@Kyle Marshall "always"? how many times have you been falsely accused??
386 likes@Sanchu might be a lawyer
78 likes@Sanchu too many times... won every one fortunately. But everytime you have to prove your innocence. However in Canada we have RCMP. Its like a bunch of gang members and they rough people up that are just going about their day and like to try and find "weak" targets to accuse of crimes. These are usually poorer people who cannot afford an private attorney. The legal aid here works for the court and they are in bed with the prosecutor. Some cities are fortunate enough to have police forces that you can call if they start harassing you. Its like a 3rd party to oversee the situation. Very few towns and cities have that though.
69 likesIf you dont believe me just lookup how the RCMP vs. VPD on Halloween night last year. Two news channels showed VPD talking with people and making sure people stay calm and orderly. They were successful. In the RCMPs block, the footage showed many people in handcuffs, fists being thrown, people starting to riot. etc.
VPD goal - "to make sure people stayed civilized and did not damage property"
RCMP goal - "we are handing out covid fines"
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Obviosuly these were not crimes like murder. However it still is hard to be wrongfully accused
@Kyle Marshall always? how many times you been in cuffs there buddy?
0 likes@Damien Scroll down a bit and read.
24 likes@Kyle Marshall I dono man. Far a I can figure the town cops smoked my evidence then guesstimated I had more than 2x to charge me with 2 grams of weed. Ignored my request for 'restorative justice(community service) until the day after the crown stayed my charges. RCMP have been exponentially more professional in my east coast experience. Oinkers even acknowledged that the law was off the books at the time (back when the gov didn't fix the court mandated medical tomfoolery -fix it in x years or the law is gone, and they didn't)
3 likesCops brought be in to question me about houses being broken into which I never have done and while they were questioning me they pulled out fingerprints saying they are mine and match my prints on records. But yet I've never been in any of these houses in my life that they accused me of breaking into lol.
2 likesI KNEW IT! YOU ARE WRONG AF
0 likesThey should've been fired, not demoted. These "detectives" should never be allowed to work in law enforcement, or for that matter, as a security guard at a empty cemetery ever again.
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I'd slap the stupid outta that detective and then fire him.
5 likes@Lace they're extremely incompetent, but I don't necessarily think he acted in bad faith. He's just unbelievable bad at his job and tried to mimick good detectives who actually know what they're doing and failed miserably
10 likesOne of my girlfriend's step dad is a cop and he choked her when he was drunk.
13 likesI made her go to the hospital against her mother's wishes and I guess it was two of his buddies that took the statement because they had multiple pens infont of their name tags and wouldn't give us a copy of the report, saying we would recieve it in the mail in a few days. After two weeks I took her to the police station to get a copy of it and they said there was no report at all.
They then proceeded to send her to internal affairs where she spoke with a gentlemen there.
The "step-dad cop" only lost what was suppose to be a promotion and nothing came of the cops that didn't write the report to protect him. Since then I have always made sure any cop I talk to that I get their name. Every time.
@Titan Flare I see what you’re saying but remember in the beginning, they stated the call was in for a SMALL WHITE MALE. He knew what he was looking for. He just ignored facts looking for advancement.
3 likesI said basically the same thing b4 c n your comment
0 likesAny cop/sheriff/detective who puts merit and achievements ahead of proper procedure should be fired on the spot.
4 likes@Triqkshot there it is.
0 likesIn the US the cops would have gotten a promotion and a raise in pay.
1 likeI’m glad Michael was exonerated and awarded over $500 compensation for each hour he was wrongly imprisoned.
378 likesThe investigators deserved demotion as this could have been sorted out in time for him to go to work.
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500 for each hour? That's dope. Kinda makes me wanna get wrongfully imprisoned..
29 likesThen again.. I wonder if Justin got the same money.. 2 years ... how many hours is that? xD
I read article that in some US states there is no compensation whatsoever and this was article about life sentences overturned by DNA tests. +20 years in prison and state says sorry I guess we were wrong LOL
25 likesA singer on Americans Got Talent told the story of how he was wrongfully jailed for 36 years for someone else’s crime, and finally released on DNA evidence. 36 years. That’s over half of most people’s life. No amount of money makes up for that. But I do hope they at least get a few million $$$.
19 likes500 an hour? I was wrongfully accused and served 31 days in jail and my lawyer said it would be, after tax, under 20 dollars A DAY. And that it would be years until i got the check it doesnt go in your bank account right away. That was just the case for me... Florida court system is fucked though
11 likes@gottimw yup thats what i was told for my case. If i took it to court. It would be under 20 dollars a day, i wouldnt get paid for possibly several years, and go through paying for lawyer service and everything. They just told me to let it go and go to therapy. Then the therapist said im lucky and should be grateful because many people dont get out for years or dont get out at all. When i asked my lawyer for compensation from the gvt they chuckled then straight face "welll if youre serious... Itll cost you money and you wont get compensated if you are approved, for years" and i literally said fuck it fuck my life. Bye. And never saw him again
2 likesFudge Fudge it’s 17,520 hours. He was paid $8,760,000
3 likesThere are 8765 hours in a year. Multiply that by 2 u get 17,530. Nowwwwww multiply thats by 500 and u get $8,765,000
2 likesI got 650 thousand for 8 years .... and innocent ... thank God for DNA .
6 likes@P P I'm sorry. You should have gotten way more.
0 likes@Skye Bhawadeen Thank you! :D
0 likes@KayVee Productions Thank you! :3
0 likesThere are innocent people sitting on death row right now.
0 likesthis investigator better have lost his damn JOB. this is SO scary that he's accusing someone like this with absolutely zero evidence.
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its stupid he didnt lose his job but a demotion is better than nothing i guess and hegot 46000 dollars for only 3 1/2 days in jail
59 likesSadly that’s the job of American cops/investigators. It’s to get buddy buddy with the suspects and get a “confession” out of them, regardless of innocence or none. If you don’t put someone in jail, you’re failing. It’s a problem with the system
25 likes@rainbowbutterflyfan This takes place in Canada, but okay.
39 likes@Kurowscar There is still cases of racial profiling and unequal treatment even if they are not as pronounced as they are in the States.
13 likes@Kurowscar I love how bad/corrupt systems are always automatically assumed to be American. Like yeah, cops EVERYWHERE ELSE are perfect smh 🤦🏾♀️
15 likes@DeadlyJaguar89 You mean he only got 46000 dollars for a whole of 3 1/2 days in jail, right?
1 like46k is by far not enough for three days of live lost. There is basically no amount of money enough for that.
Investigator should be in prison. I hope he watches this and reads the comments.
4 likes@GodMode Don't know how much you think your time is worth, but I'll gladly sit in a cell for $15000 per day
12 likes@rePAULsion
8 likesYeah, if I knew I would get out after a couple days and nothing would happen, so would I. But that isn't the case with this. There is a very real possibility of a conviction, even if you're innocent. Wrongful convictions do happen. When you're in that situation, you don't know if you're going to get out after a couple days and get money in compensation, or if you're going to spend possibly years in prison.
it's worse than zero evidence. he's accusing someone when there is literally evidence that proves he didn't do it
4 likesI dunno. Put me in a cell for 3 days for 46k and I’ll lock the door myself
2 likes@CamM dude clearly had mental fortitude and was in no danger of being convicted, what happened to him was unfair but I am sure he came out winning in this situation.
0 likes@B.O.J.
0 likesI'm not convinced he was 'in no danger of being convicted' wrongful convictions do happen, including the other guy shown in this video.
Other than that, obviously it turned out well in the end, but it shouldn't happen at all.
That police was like: Well we lost the suspect but we cant come back empty handed soooo... eenie meenie miney mo
0 likes@Kurowscar Thats what happens when the canadians employ american cops.
0 likes@rePAULsion Knowing that you could get 20 years? Your life isn't worth much it seems.
0 likesIt's funny how much you can do. The human mind is too simple.
0 likes46 000$ ?????? I want to get falsely acused now that'd be great
0 likesreally appreciate that you narrate the aftermath, horrible how that man was treated.
508 likes"If you didn't do it why are you being so defensive?" Because I don't like being falsely accused of shit I didn't do
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lmao that pfp
315 likes@Aren thank ya
116 likesExactly. It can piss a person off.
1038 likesIn order for someone to react as if they have nothing to defend, they must have reasonable faith in their authorities.
509 likesExactly and why would would you falsely accuse in the first place if you definitively know its FALSE ?
55 likes@dr I don't think they do most of the time. They're just trying to get them to admit to it, whether they did it or not. Obviously investigators benefit from closing cases and convicting alleged suspects
116 likesThat's called a kafka trap.
14 likes"Uh maybe because if I'm not defensive I can have my life be ruined"
110 likesWtf are you supposed to do, spend 30 years in prison for coming home from work?
145 likes@Sanchu Yes.
9 likes@traskforge Defended - you are proven guilty because you're too defensive
165 likesDidn't defended - you are proven guilty because you didn't prove yourself innocent
@mekolayn yep
5 likes@mekolayn choose your poison
5 likesI hate it when people saying “why are you getting mad if you didn’t do it?” In an argument.
89 likes''The truth hurts''. The truth does hurt, but not everything that is upsetting or aggravating is true. Ever had someone walk up to you, claim you did this or that etc etc, watch you get upset and then retort with ''the truth hurts, huh?''. That shit eating grin is a punchable face if i ever saw one.
51 likesThen if you stay calm and confident because you know you're innocent, they say you're "too calm".
34 likeslitterally dude haha. That sounds like some shit a sibling would use against another when they're arguing
5 likes@traskforge exactly, if you act casual or nonchalant, they will say you are cold blooded with no emotion or remorse.
16 likesYes, like my dad always thinks me being defensive is an admission of guilt (the whole "lady doth protest too much") thing ... but honestly, I'm gonna be way more annoyed if u accuse me of something I didn't do & get angry at me for it - that makes perfect logical sense
18 likesit is called the Aiden's Law of being defensive in an accusation
6 likes@youtuber ha
1 likeSame
0 likes@Aiden Law - EXACTLY!
1 like@Aaron Vannatta i was about to say the same thing i think the first one has no faith in law enforcement and the second one has too much
5 likesExactly
0 likes"Why are you being defensive" damn maybe because I'm defending myself
13 likeslol is like when a girl accused u to cheating xD
0 likes"If you didn't do it why are you being so defensive?" >>>Because YOU are being so OFFENSIVE!
7 likes@Aaron Vannatta Japan takes this to an extreme so it’s messed up. That’s why as much as love Japan it scares me
3 likesExactly bro
0 likesThat's me when my parents always accuse me of eating the Pepperoni Hot-Pockets...
0 likes@Aaron Vannatta If the authorities are accusing you of doing it, how are you supposed to have faith in them in deciding that you didn't do it lol
4 likes@MOPARman345 HEMI That's my point
1 like@Aaron Vannatta an innocent person won't admit. Period. So policemen assume they can just keep up the pressure, because when a guilty person breaks down, they confess, an innocent person might break down, but they won't confess.
6 likesI nearly got arested for a drunk street brall outside a pub that I had nothing to do with I was just drunk walking home from the pub and they tried to pick me up for it, when I refused and defended myself they took it as me being aggressive therefore one of the combatants. But their radio went an they picked the bloke up on the other street luckily before they put me in a copcar. So a narrow miss for me. Wrong place wrong time.
0 likes@Fif0l they don't need just an admittance of guilt. even when you admit and/or plead guilty, you still receive due process and the final decision belongs to the judge. All that matters (to some investigators) is that they put you under pressure and get you to say SOMETHING that could be used against you in court that they can receive credit for.
4 likes@Aaron Vannatta yeah, but the second best thing to a confession investigators can get from you is some significant lies and contradictions. If they get neither and don't have significant evidence and still press charges, they can actually harm their careers.
2 likesThing is, guilty people tangle themselves in a web of lies to prove their innocence. They have to think really hard all the time about how the answer to the next question will harm their fake alibi. An innocent person doesn't need to think nearly as hard, because telling the truth is easy. I mean, you do need to be a bit of a heartless bastard to be an investigator, because the easiest way to charge someone in the absence of evidence is to exhaust the person mentally over hours or days of leading question and treating the person like a liar and just rolling with it, not thinking about "what if he actually is innocent and I'm treating him like a piece of shit".
Don't get me wrong, investigators in this video were very unfair, especially investigator of the bald guy, who apparently forgot to check the visual description from 911 call, or he would have known immediately they are after the wrong guy. Not to mention the fact that he kind of forgot about the guy after not obtaining anything resembling evidence and it took an entirely different investigator to check up on the case after a few days.
@Fif0l I mean I thought we were arguing about something lol, I agree with everything you just said
2 likes@Aaron Vannatta yeah, I do that sometimes.
2 likesbest advice just don't say anything and get a lawyer
3 likesI hate it when people say that, why wouldn't I be defensive? I'm falsely accused of something I didn't do, of course I'll be mad
4 likes@ZombiePayton Exactly. Being defensive is only suspicious before you let someone know they're a suspect.
2 likesAfter that not being defensive is actually more suspicious usually.
If a cop ever says that to me, I hope I can remember this reply: why did you rape that girl last night? Oh why are you being so defensive if you didn’t do it?
1 likeThese investigators are like the teacher who accuse you of stealing a pencil
0 likesBecause this is the first step in me going to prison for something I didn't do. Wow!
1 likeThere is fear of self incrimination and unfortunately in the United States with a lop sided legal system (let's be honest we all know it tends to favor wealthy and the well connected) , some people given the choice would rather plead guilty to avoid a worse alternative - harsher penalty, can't afford the legal defense etc.
5 likesAll they want is money.That's why they are falsely accusing them and putting them in jail.Not every innocent person will display the same behaviour.
1 like... TO DEFEND MYSELF??
0 likesAs person who has been falsely accused I can attest that it seriously pisses you off. Especially if the accusation is serious. I like to try to be like the “Michael” in this video in my everyday life, but I instantly became the “Justin”.
3 likes“You sound really angry right now.”
YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I’M ANGRY. YOU’D BE ANGRY TOO IF THIS BULLSHIT HAPPENED TO YOU!
Right??
0 likesLiterally my parents whenever they accused me of something i didn't do ever. Lol
0 likesBecause i dont wanna risk being in jail for 20 years
0 likes@Fif0l Of course that innocent people confess.
1 likeJust needing to wait there for hours and hours although you did nothing
0 likes@Moiai Mermusique when?
0 likesUnder torture they may, but torture isn't exactly legal these days.
Like when someone toots and everyone thinks it's you or if someone is like, "ooooo do you have a crush on so and so!! Oh look they're blushing!!"
0 likesWhy am I defending myself against an unjust attack? Hmm, I dunno, good point!
2 likesThat can potentially ruin your life
0 likesTHIS!! THIS!! people don’t seem to understand that being defensive does NOT equal being guilty. It’s like when your parent accuses you of lying when you get defensive. Accusations can trigger panic and fear. Poor Justin was upset and angry and scared. It’s disgusting that some people have this mindset
1 likeE FUCKIN XACTLY
0 likesyeah he should have said that he has more to lose, because imagine getting banged in jail for 2 years for something you didn't commit.
0 likes@hazeleyezluv especially when they're trying to improve themselves.
0 likesSo your saying you did do it
0 likes@-Slurmdaddy - yes
0 likes@Aiden Law perfect, Book em Danno .
0 likes@Fif0l completely wrong. There are plenty of documented cases of people admitting to crimes they didn't commit. Men have been pressured into confessing, or tricked Into signing a confession, and then exonerated with DNA evidence.
1 likePolice have, and will again, pressure and trick innocent people into confessing crimes they did not commit.
@Fif0l and that's without mentioning the crippling debt a defense can put you in.. People are often presented with the choice of a small mark on their record, or a few months in jail, and being in severe debt for the rest of their lives...
1 like'so if I plead guilty I'll get a slap on the wrist, but if I plead innocent they will come for me with everything they can?' yeah I know which option sounds better for the guy without a good attorney...
@BruceNJeffAreMyFlies
0 likesI just looked it up and it seems psychology of false confessions is a relatively new topic in criminal psychology, law enforcement and prosecution. Even though a quarter of people exonerated in the last two decades have confessed to the crime.
But at the same time, in 2019 we had the first one who was exonerated not on new evidence, but based on psychological analysis of the confession.
Forgive me for not sitting on the bleeding edge of criminal psychology.
Now consider this.
I thought I have a decent understanding of psychology. But I was still wrong.
Policemen should be trained in new discoveries relating to interrogations. But not all are. So it's not inconceivable that many policemen simply don't consider the option that you can get a false confession.
And when you don't consider this as an option you might as well keep up the psychological pressure, because when you can't see any reason why an innocent person would confess, it's easy to assume it doesn't happen.
Policemen don't exactly keep tabs on people they've thrown in jail, they don't really care if you were convicted, don't expect they'll check whether or not you were exonerated 30 years later.
@Michael Hardin: Agreed, I usually start off like Michael to begin with, but if you try pulling that shit with me I can get worse than Justin. If I'm going to go to jail, it best be for a crime I willingly chose and got to enjoy, like choking out a liar 🤔
0 likes@Aiden Law
1 likeThat’s Because “Never Speak To Cops Only, Talk to Attorneys.”
Invoking The Fifth Amendment.
Not Evoking or Revoking you see? You Do It On Purpose So, That My Friend Is Invoking.
The interrogator is so damn infuriating to listen to
0 likesreminds me of when my mom accused me of taking her weed and I cried bc I knew I'd never convince her it wasn't me, and then cried MORE because crying made me seem even more guilty. 😭😡 fml (I didn't take her mf weed she was probably high and used more than she thought)
1 likeAnybody know the investigators names?
0 likesAnd this is why defense attorneys advise: Do not talk to the police. Detectives can lie, there is no legal requirement for them to be honest or truthful. Their job is to close the case, not to determine guilt or innocence. Always, always, always require an attorney. Do not say anything to any detective for any reason at any time. The ONLY thing that can result is your words being used against you.
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To many ppl let the idea of looking guilty scare them. Fuck that get a lawyer
91 likesYeah fr if anyone does feel like they will look “guilty” for asking for a lawyer.. you won’t... matter of a fact if there is not enough evidence and you ask for a lawyer they might even throw the case out altogether as they was hoping you would blabber it all
58 likesyou mean canada. this is canada
9 likesAnd here i thought my countrys law to be weird of not forceing or lieing to the suspect is considered not an conclusive evidence and even most of the time not evidence at all even if they force you to say you do it and you screem it out loud it is still not evidence
4 likesIn Japan, they can hold you for you to 30 days and force a confession from you. In that time, you cannot see a lawyer, and they don't have to guarantee any translation. If they do, the translation is often fine by an amateur. They can also find ways to extend the 30 days (which also bans any phone calls during that time). The law courts are ruled by 3 judges, with little or no trial by jury. The judges usually rule in favour of the police, as the system believes that if the police charged you, then you must be guilty. The extremely high arrest-conviction rate in Japan is usually obtained via high-pressure, signed confessions, with little or no evidence to back up the investigation.
25 likes@chelseafcrocks82 this is in Canada genius they do the same in the UK. There was a man who spent 12 years in prison in the UK while wrongfully conflicted. Due to the officers lying in the interrogation
6 likes@Primal Convoy that sounds fucking terrible
7 likesThat’s true. Detectives have the freedom because they are trusted by the legal system to twist things that work in their favor
2 likesAsk for a coke and a snickers. Call them pricks. Then ask for a lawyer. Never talk to the police.
7 likesFuckin right! & don't worry about if u think it's gonna make u look guilty if u don't talk & ask for an attorney. Who cares what they think, if I know I'm innocent I'm still not talking & asking for an attorney! I don't care what they think!
0 likesThis sounds very weird and stupid as I'm from Finland. The police in Finland cannot lie to a suspect, to a witness etc.
0 likesTo serve and protect.
0 likesI don't know, say that you have an evidence that you don't have should be perjury
0 likesCop: "OK can you describe the perpetrator? Was it a tall black man, a short black man..."
2625 likesWitness: "No it was a white man."
Cop: "Got it, a light-skinned black man."
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STOP OMG
69 likesIts like the cop on South Park
47 likes@shun South Park is just depicting irl cops
89 likes😂🤣🤣
3 likesPERFECT COMMENT!! lmfao
4 likesLmao
1 likeLMAO buahahaha
1 likenother black man gonna take the fall and add to the statistics
4 likesis it a Everybody Hates Chris reference?
1 like@Wurzel Tee it's a joke calm tf down
8 likes@Juniper Hofheinz but thats probably how it went lmao ...
1 like0 iq comment
0 likesRightttttt!!!!!!!
0 likesAlso he was described as small, this man is 6'3
2 likesAnd Canadians think they don't have racism lol
1 likeWhen did he say that like time
0 likesliterally
0 likes@Karlo Joki lol a few thousand people seem to disagree
0 likes"I mean he had a white shirt on..." 😂
0 likes@Karlo Joki it was a joke lol. A pretty accurate one too
0 likeslove how everyone is sympathetic for Michael but glosses over the fact that justin was wrongfully accused and sentanced to jail for 2 years and wasnt compensated at all.
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I think its because he was a little aggressive and an ex con so people just don't care as much. He may be a little combative but doesn't mean it still isn't terrible injustice way worse than what Michael got.
170 likesHe was covered in a previous video so it's likely the revisit didnt generate as much buzz
15 likes@Tolp Romra can you link the vid? Id appreciate it greatly
6 likes@Chicken and Pizza id be pretty fuckin aggressive if someone was locking me in a cage for something i didn't do. Undoing all the hard work he definitely did to turn his life around.
94 likesHe wasn’t sentenced to jail because of this, that was a seperate and previous situation
27 likesThe two years was for something else. He wasn't found guilty of this new one.
33 likes@Jaelynn Bill i did the same shit lol
2 likes@Always Smiling "he was unaware he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years"... That means he was imprisoned for something he didn't do.
54 likes@Sammie Malesci he was punished for it for just over two years. It said so at the beginning of his clip. He had went for a previous crime and then he was imprisoned for this crime, which he didn't commit.
18 likes@Tolp Romra I'll have to go looking. I really want to know what happened in his case.
4 likesRight?? I’m looking through all the comments, and yes it’s upsetting for Michael but what about Justin?? Did he get his payday?? I get that he was angry and upset but I Mema of course he was, who wouldn’t be? He was being accused of something he didn’t do and the cop wasn’t believing him when he said he didn’t do it, that’ll make most people upset and angry and scared. I mean look at his legs, that guy is scared.
11 likesHe should’ve kept his cool like Michael did. Michael knew he was innocent and used that to gain control over true situation.
0 likesI think that's the point. Even when you ARE innocent you have to be THIS polite and THIS cool for an innocent person to be taken seriously.
6 likes@~Ito~ (糸) That's a ridiculous take. Disregarding the different countries and situations each man was in (Canada vs USA, regular guy vs. ex-con), unless something Justin said was the direct cause of his conviction, he was screwed from the start based on whatever the police had on him before the interrogation. His only mistake was not lawyering up at the beginning, which even then may not have saved him. Being 'polite' would have zero bearing in that case.
30 likesRealistically, it's because more people can put themselves into Micahael's shoes rather than an ex-con with a troubled past. Most people aren't ex-cons but law abiting people.
4 likesThe exon wasnt compensated because the police actually had evidence to arrest him. The fault lies with the person who falsely accused him, not the police.
19 likesThe other guy, the police had no evidence to arrest him but did so anyways which is false arrest and false imprisonment. Not to mention negligence of the investigator who didnt bother checking his alibi.
@Rachel Forshee it really wouldn't have mattered how he'd have acted emotionally. They'd decided he was guilty before he'd even been spoken too. Because he had a past. He might have served his time, paid his dues, but it doesn't matter. he will never stop paying in other ways. No matter what, they should have done their due diligence to check up on his alibi, to check other possibilities, to check the evidence (or lack of it). They didn't. The best thing HE could've done was call for a lawyer but I doubt he had the means to do that. The system failed him.
6 likesWho tf is Justin.
1 like@1Rellnyn the second guy.
0 likes@1Rellnyn 🤦 the redhead, bearded guy falsely accused for burglary and assault. Did y'all watch the video or?
2 likes@Jaelynn Bill sorry i commented before looking at the full video. My apologies.
0 likesHe wasnt wrongfully sent to jail for 2 years? He was previously in jail for 2 years for robbery.
3 likesJustin had a criminal record though
0 likes@Noah Frey what does that matter? He paid his dues and they were negligent in their investigation. Having a past doesn't mean you lose the right to a fair and just trial. And two years for a crime he didn't commit, regardless of criminal HISTORY, is negligent at best.
4 likes@Adeniyi .Omishore it literally says he was "unaware he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years". The narrator says that before he even starts Justin's video.
8 likes@Jaelynn Bill indeed. It matters because in the eyes of the criminal "justice" system, you're fucked. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that's likely why he wouldn't be able to get restitution...that and he probably doesn't have much money considering he lived with his mom and was in and out of prison.
3 likesHappens all the time and any amount of jail time on your record prevents you from getting a decent job so not only did they not compensate but completely ruin his life
4 likes@Jordan I don't think you quite understood. he said why he was aggressive. he never said his aggressiveness wasn't justified tho.
0 likes@Jaelynn Bill you actually think a woman will face charges for wrong accusation? Not in the west buddy. Not in the west
3 likes@Keto I'm not saying they do all the time. Heck. I'm not saying they do even half the time. But it should be the case that if anyone falsely accuses someone of something, they should be charged with something. I can still hope.
1 likeThere sure are a lot of people in this comment chain pretending to know what they are talking about.
1 likeAt least he still has his white privilege.
1 like@Animal Welcome to comment sections!
0 likesThats a weird thing to love :/
0 likesHe was not wrongfully sentenced to 3 Years Jail, where did you get that?
0 likesAh now I see where you get it. But: "The Accusers Testimony was later picked apart in Court..." If it was in Court, it could not be after the Conviction, right? I think the commentator is inconsistent here. Or am I missing something?
0 likesOr did the second Guy accused the accuser again and startet another Court-trial after two years? Can we get an answer on that?
0 likesNot enough melanin
1 like@Jort von der Tanne I believe he went to prison at one time for a different offense. Came out of prison and then got falsely accused and was imprisoned again for two year until he was exonerated.
0 likes@Korosuke He still has the right to a fair and just trial. Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.
2 likes@Chystal its really sad to see people still thinking this way :( if you are willing to learn, there is a great documentary on Netflix called the 13th. I would highly recommend! it opened my eyes to a lot of things I was never taught or never heard about pertaining to black mistreatment in america.
2 likes@Korosuke Some humans are like that, not everyone see rehabilitated peoples like a lost cause. Its also depend on what crimes they commited.
2 likes@Jaelynn Bill he was held in jail awaiting trial. We don't know if he got proper compensation, in Sweden (I'm Swedish) you would have got something like 100.000$ even without demonstrating police/prosecution missconduct, but I think in some US states it's quite hard to get compensation for wrongful imprisonment.
1 like@Chicken and Pizza yup
0 likesYUP
0 likes@Chystal you really think the judicial system is racist towards white people? Jfc
1 like@Emperor Strider Ion think she’s a closet racist lol I got a feeling she proudly flys/wears the confederate flag
0 likesI mean, it's Canada
0 likes@Adeniyi .Omishore he was sitting in county jail for two years while they tried to get the charge to stick
0 likesHe did not go to jail, he went to jail for 2 years for something else in the past. In literally says in the video "the girl was caught lying on the stand" and that Justin "was proven innocent beyond ALL reasonable doubt."
0 likes@gucci mane to you and everyone who does not know US criminal procedure: first you are arrested and charged with a crime. You have to have a trial to determine whether you are guilty of the crime you are charged with. If you are guilty you are sent to prison. For the time between the charge and the trial, you either have to stay in jail, or pay an amount of money called a bond. A bond is a deposit you make to the court; if you show up to your trial, you get your bond back, and if not, the court keeps it and they go find you (think Dog the Bounty Hunter; the bond is the bounty).
1 likeAnyway, if you can’t make the bond payment, you have to stay in jail until your trial. That’s fine except it can take several years for your trial to take place.
I haven’t looked at the facts of this case but my assumption is he was charged with burglary and assault; he couldn’t afford bond and so was in jail until his trial, two years later; and found not guilty at trial. He wasn’t falsely imprisoned as a legal matter because he was never legally imprisoned. This is exactly how the system is supposed to work: an innocent man was charged with a crime he did not commit, and found not guilty. If you think it’s unfair result, and obviously it is, look in to the bail bond system and why it should be reformed.
He probably wasn’t sentenced, and instead was in jail for two years awaiting trial.
0 likes@Chystal you are taking one case that is an outlier to most cases. Why don’t we talk about the life sentences given to black folk for marijuana joints? Do white people get those? White people aren’t being targeted the way you think. Also there was no reason to mention the lady was Asian, her race is irrelevant to our discussion.
0 likes@gucci mane hold on he spend three for robbery and if he wasnt in county for two years how can the accuser lie in court multiple times. He probably was poor and couldnt bond out
0 likesDixon is so intelligent he didn't even bother with trying to prove his innocence, he knew the truth would come out and he knew he'd get a big payday. Dixon a BOSS
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imagine if the truth didn't come out though because all these police are against you and try to prove your guilt, this is why so many people spend years or even their life in prison for a crime they didn't commit. this guy is lucky he had witness's others are not so lucky its a horrible system.
241 likesHe deserved every bit of that pay for his excellent character. He knew the detectives were trying to do their jobs and no arking up would have changed anything. Also glad those detectives got demoted for treating him unfairly and making false accusations against him saying they saw him do it 👍
77 likes@skyla jasmine Agreed but I feel bad for that second dude cuz the witness lied about him
4 likes@pactastic You shouldn't joke about that.
6 likes@Kitkat 240 I don't think he joked, it's probably disrespectful to assume he did.
13 likes@Hugo Chapon "I would commit suicide If I went to jail for a crime I did not commit lmao". "LMAO" Laughing my ass off? I would be on your side but the "lmao"?
8 likes@Kitkat 240 LOL means "Lots of laughs" and it's not used to express laughter these days, you know. It's more of a surprise reaction. It's the same case for LMAO, which is used more like an alternative for OMG. But ok, lets take worst case scenario: even if he wanted to say "Laughing my ass off", it wouldn't be in a positive way. You're literally taking the end of a sentence to define all its meaning when he clearly states what he would do in a certain situation. Plus, you're not in the right to tell anyone about what to joke about or not, and neither am I.
14 likes@Hugo Chapon yes okay I have No right to tell that person what that person can or can't say. That wasn't my intend. But that person has probably no clue about being in that situation and should think more about what that person is writing. Additionally with your logic you have No right to Correct me or even claim I was disrespectful
3 likesAll hail Dixon
1 like@Hugo Chapon I thought LOL meant Laugh Out Loud?
5 likesHe only got half justice.
1 likeHe got about 1/3 of what one of the arresting officers make in a year. The other one died of a "medical condition" before judgement, so Mr. Dixon didn't get anything from that estate.
@Chandra Napier You're completely right, it's nowadays the "official" meaning. The thing is that LOL appeared with the internet, and in most non-english countries it was given the meaning I mentioned, you can ask a French, a Spanish or an Indian and I would say that most of the time they will say the same haha. I even remember the times when it was "(a) Lot of Laughter"
1 like@skyla jasmine that’s a very exaggerated response I’d say
1 like@Kitkat 240 Even if it wasn't your intend, you still did it. And just as you say, "that person has probably no clue about being in that situation...", true, but it also means that he DOES probably have a clue about it, and therefore have that precise reaction. My objective wasn't to correct you to be sincere, it was to make clear that you thought(and probably you still do) he was making a joke when you had very little clue or didn't even ask at first. This guy might just have had painful rounds of depression, got out of it, and now know the value of life and express his thoughts in this harmless way and then you go in to assume it was a joke.
2 likes@Hugo Chapon Your whole comment is utter BS. "LMAO" is not used as an alternative for "OMG" and of course the ending of a sentence can very well define its meaning.
4 likesAnd yes, it's disgusting to joke about suicide. Let's hope that no one you personally know ever takes his/her own life - I assure you, it's not funny in the slightest.
@Kitkat 240 You definitely weren't disrespectful, you were perfectly right to call out pactastic. Sick joke.
1 like@MrGrumpyGills are you guys old people? you've been arguing a whole thread about a completely normal zoomer thing to say
3 likesYeah that’s what I was thinking the whole time
2 likes@Hugo Chapon lol is laughing out loud lol
1 like@MrGrumpyGills It's double BS not to give a single argument. Having a dark sense of humor isn't disgusting, to consider something humorous as serious for sure is, independently of what type of comedy you prefer, is always respectable. You don't know me, or either the entire population that have suffered any of the tragedy we're talking about, and you are in no position to tell anyone how to face it or talk about it(excepting when it's hateful), just let's stop giving lessons to random people.
2 likes@Bicth I'm literally procrastinating hashahsa, taking this as an exercise
2 likes@MrGrumpyGills Never said it was 100% disrespectful, having an open mind is key to finding what's wrong with what pactastic said, which hasn't to be a "sick joke".
1 like@Hugo Chapon since when does the end of a sentence unable to define the rest of its meaning? And lmafo is not used as an alternative to OMG
2 likes@Noah Ds since when did I say so? And of course, you can think so, I won't be the one to tell you otherwise, you have your own experience and I have mine.
0 likeseeeeeh.. he could never know that for sure before he was released. many people being locked up for years before proven not guilty
0 likes@Hugo Chapon LMAO is not an alternative to OMG. LMAO is used to express laughter, and humor, while OMG is used to express shock or disbelief. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
2 likes@Kitkat 240 you were correct to begin with. Words have power.
0 likesThis world was created by the Word.
The tongue is the most powerful tool we have.
Must have the knowledge that words can curse you and Demons will use what you say against you. I know full well.
I really hope he got paid
0 likesDoesn't seem so intelligent to me.
0 likesThere is NEVER a good reason to be in an interrogation room. The police CANNOT interrogate you without your permission. Being in an interrogation room means that you have waved your fifth amendment right to remain silent and it means you have waived your sixth amendment right to have an attorney present (who would have ended the interrogation as per your fifth amendment right).
By failing to invoke his Miranda rights, Mr. Dixon clearly demonstrates that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
@Hugo Chapon You are 100% correct, don't let these people get to you. I would have a little debate with them myself but to be honest I don't feel like it, but at least you are one smart person here :D.
1 like@Kitkat 240 quite reasonable if he did do a normal medium crime let assume for 10 years the moment you get back into life you would have to redo everything not get hired because of ur record and boom you are now homeless basically forever. Some people just don’t have that much will
0 likes@OxiCleansGaming except that zoomers commonly use lmao and lol to express sarcasm or lighten a dark thought such as "I wanna die lmao" because we are depression meme poisoned. it's not making light of the subject or trying to indicate it's funny. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that slang is subject to evolution
0 likesThis actually scares me. I believe I'm very much like the man in the white shirt. I believe I would be quite calm and collective and just trying to cooperate. It's crazy that it took them 3 days to even decide to investigate the security cameras. Glad those interrogators were disciplined.
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“Oh man...he’s just like me!”
2 likesglad it was in canada huh (i think they said by canada's law)
1 likeWhat is more scary is it was mainly luck that set him free. Another investigator seperate from the current investigation that took place checked it and declared him to be innocent.
2 likes"Sounds like fun"
0 likes"Getting a confession void of evidence is in fact excellent for an investigator's career."
679 likesThis statement sums up much of the problem with law enforcement today.
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i started reading this literally EXACTLY when he said it in the video and it blew my mind
13 likesI mean if they’re able to do that the right way it is a good thing cause it can show skill in manipulating someone guilty into pouring out the truth when they have done it
7 likes@Paul Cowherd The only thing this policy does is incentivize officers to lie and manipulate innocent victims into making false confessions.
44 likes@Paul Cowherd I mean, how does it make sense to be trying to extract a confession from someone that you have no evidence even committed the crime in question?????
21 likes@Ghosty Frost unless they hold and charge said person with the crime and pressure them to confess in order to get a reduced sentence as opposed to the maximum amount. For someone who doesn't understand their rights, can't afford a lawyer and has to deal with a bullshit public defender who barely passed the bar, they are going to take a plea. And this is the problem that the system has subjected mostly uneducated minorities to this kind of treatment for decades. Because the detectives know they can't afford proper representation that would have their "only lead" walk out that door instead of to holding in handcuffs.
4 likes@Paul Cowherd this guy is probably a cop thats probably why he doesnt get it
5 likes@Paul Cowherd ONLY if they have empirical evidence and the suspect is still lying, NOT trying to get a confession from nothing, that's FUCKED!
4 likes@Paul Cowherd but when the incentive behind it is so big, as an investigator, why wouldnt you then go into every interview as if they’re all guilty?
2 likes@Ghosty Frost I'd say you're half right. It's good to be able to get guilty people to confess even without solid evidence, but it's a known phenomenon that sometimes innocent people confess to things they didn't do under unrelenting pressure and questioning.
5 likesTrue! That's why cops ain't interested in solving a crime, they're interested in getting a conviction!
1 likeat least here in the Philippines, that would be inadmissible as evidence unless the confession is made with the assistance of an independent lawyer, made in writing and signed by the hand of the suspect.
0 likesthe ending pffft
0 likesI was more pissed off seeing Michael being wrongly accused than Michael was while being wrongly accused
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w h a t
12 likes@MOOXN ? He is saying that he is more mad than Michael is
65 likesyeah lmao. the most hurtful thing he said was "i cant say im satisfied here" homie had the patience of fucking ghandi man
146 likesSo true. 😂
3 likes@TIV67 Playz dude nobody cares
18 likes@TIV67 Playz Nah dude Jesus was "just" a prophet and Messiah. He isnt god and tbh I think you shouldnt pray to him but rather to god. Imo they are both seperate beings
8 likesSomeone like the damn comment it has 666 likes
0 likessame it's heartbreaking
0 likes@TIV67 Playz Idk if you think I meant good and not god or you made the same typo as me because thats the reason I edited my comment.
1 likeBut anyway. Jesus didnt commit sins but he didnt die for our sins either. We are all responsible for our own actions. It doesnt make sense (to me) that God would forgive us our sins for killing his "supposedly" son. We will be able to have salvation because of gods mercy not because of Jesus. Jesus was a respectable and very precious Prophet and Messiah but he isnt god or the son of god. Not even metaphorically. Jesus isnt all-knowing omnipotent but god is. And Jesus prayed to god but he never sacrificed himself so our sins are forgiven. Thats what I believe in
I'm in a very religious country but I am not interested joining in.
1 likeFirst. If God is real, why make humans believe other gods.
Second. Why all those gods claims the one created the universe?
(Sorry to my poor grammar)
@Lexterrific First: God doesnt make us do anything. We have free will. People create sects and religions with their free will.
1 likeSecond: Many gods claim to be the one who created the universe because every religion want to have strong believers who trust that their god can do anything. Would you pray to a god who isnt all powerful? Who cant do anything he wants?
There are religions who have many gods with different powers and they all want to be worshippes but there can only be 1 true religion if there is one.
Penthactus Soul religion is pointless you only have one life and you should enjoy it
2 likes@Ckopen TRUEE XD
0 likesWhy is people talking about Jesus here?
0 likes@Penthactus Soul I have a few questions. 1. Who is god? 2. If he exists, where is he and what does he do? 3. If a being like that exists, why does he wanna give birth to humans and then kill them? In my opinion, god is just made up and I don't think it is possible for a being like that to exist. This is just what I believe though, if you wanna believe in God then keep going, I have no problem with what you believe in.
2 likesSameeeee
0 likes@THE CHOSEN ohh I was like half asleep reading that so 🤣
0 likes@Joshua S Tell me if you just want to state your arguments and leave the conversation or have a serious discussion. Then Im willing to engage with you
0 likesPenthactus Soul I will happily continue this discussion tomorrow. You can respond now if you wish but I’ll only get to look at it tomorrow not available right now.
0 likes@Aryan 1. Im happy that you respect my religion and I respect you for not believing in god. You are still human and deserve to be treated right and respectfully. Doesnt matter if you share my religion or not.
0 likes2. God has 99 names who describe who he is.
He is the most merciful,
The Bestower of Mercy,
The King and Owner of Dominion,
The Absolutely Pure,
The Perfection and Giver of Peace,
The one who gives Eeman (Faith) and Security,
The Guardian and Witness and Overseer,
The All Mighty,
The Compeller and Restorer,
The Supreme and Majestic,
The Creator and Maker,
The Originator,
The Fashioner/Designer,
The All- and Oft-forgiving,
The Subduer and Ever Dominating,
The Giver of Gifts,
The Provider,
The Opener and the Judge,
The All-knowing and the Omniscient,
The Withholder,
The Extender,
The Reducer and the Abaser,
The Exalter and The Elevator,
The Honourer and the Bestower,
The Dishonourer and the Humiliator,
The All-Hearing,
The All-Seeing,
The Judge and the Giver of Justice,
The Utterly Just,
The Subtle One and the most Gentle,
The Acquainted and the All-Aware,
The most Forbearing,
The Magnificient and the Supreme,
The Forgiving and exceedingly Forgiving,
The most Appreciative,
The most High and the Exalted,
The Greatest and the most Grand,
The Preserver and the All-Heedful and All-Protecting,
The Sustainer,
The Reckoner and the Sufficient,
The Majestic,
The most Generous and the most Esteemed,
The Watchful,
The Responsive One,
The All-Encompassing and the Boundless,
The All-Wise,
The Most Loving,
The Glorious and the most Honorable,
The Resurrector and the Raiser of Dead,
The All- and Ever Witnessing,
The Absolute Truth,
The Trustee and the Disposer of Affairs,
The All-Strong,
The Firm and the Steadfast,
The Protecting Associate,
The Praiseworthy,
The All-Enumerating and the Counter,
The Originator and the Initiator,
The Restorer and the Reinstater,
The Giver of Life,
The Bringer of Death and the Destroyer,
The Ever-Living,
The Sustainer and the Self-Subsisting,
The Perceiver,
The Illustrious and the Magnificient,
The One,
The Unique and the only One,
The Eternal and the Satisfier of Needs,
The Capable and the Powerful,
The Omnipotent,
The Expediter and The Promoter,
The Delayer and the Retarder,
The First,
The Last,
The Manifest,
The Hidden One and the Knower of the Hidden,
The Gouvernor and the Patron,
The Self Exalted,
The Source of Goodness and the kind Benefactor,
The Ever-Pardoning and the Relenting,
The Avenger,
The Pardoner,
The most Kind,
Master of the Kingdom and owner of the Dominion,
Possessor of Glory and Honour and the Lord of Majesty and Generousity,
The Equitable and the Requiter,
The Gatherer and the Uniter,
The Self-Sufficient and the Wealthy,
The Enricher,
The Withholder,
The Distresser,
The Propitious and the Benefactor,
The Light and the Illuminator,
The Guide,
The incomparable Originator,
The Ever-Surviving, the Everlasting,
The Inheritor and the Heir,
The Guide and the infallible Teacher,
The Forbearing and the Patient.
@Aryan 3. What does he do? The names also describe what he does but Im gonna give it some context (for the lack of a better word). God is watching over us rn. Protecting us and gouverning us. He is protecting and sustaining us. We cant control everything. For example we cant control how our organs work. We dont make them work. Who makes sure that our organs do what they are supposed to do and not fail? Thats god. Who makes it possible for us to work and get food? Who makes sure that no situation happens that stops us from getting food? Thats all god. He is in Heaven but All-Present. God is always with us, watching us and protecting us in a way.
0 likes4. God never gave birth to us. He created us but he never gave birth. He just needs to say "Be" and there it is. And he doesnt want to kill us like you think. He lets us live in this world as a test. You know the Phrase "nothing lasts forever" ? Its because everything we see and feel will be gone sooner or later. The buildings, the plants, we ourselves the humans, the earth, the sun, the solar system etc.
This life is a test to see who follows his commendments who doesnt. When death comes and the end of the world, we will be resurrected and god will judge us. He decides who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. This life is full of happy and sad things. Its a test. If you win the test you will be happy in paradise forever. Thats why we will die. Every soul will taste death and we shouldnt be scared of it.
Its ok if you dont believe that god exists. But let me ask you sth. Everything has a cause. Like the saying "Nothing comes from nothing". It means in this case that if nothing existed before the Universe then the Universe cant exist. There has to be sth that has a beginning.
Everything has a cause but lets say god who created the universe also has a god who created him. Who created that god then? And who created that god? It goes on forever and the conclusion is that its impossible that god or sth like god doesnt exist.
For examole you are a soldier and you wait for your commander to give you the order to shoot the target. But that commander waits for his commander to give the order. But that commander also has a commander who waits for an order. Ans at the end you will never shoot the target. Therefor the universe never has been created. But it was created. We are living inside the universe. We are living proof that we exist so there has to be a commander who stands above all to give the order so you can finally shoot the target.
@Bronzethelegend36 4 Are you willing to discuss or do you just want to vent?
0 likes@Joshua S Thats ok. Im gonna ask you some questions now. I dont mind waiting for answers.
0 likesSo do you believe in the Leibnizian principle? That everything has a cause? As the saying goes "Nothing comes from nothing" ?
I believe in it because to me thats the only logical explanation on how we came to existence. I dont wanna be the guy to say "Read my last comment I explained it there" but you can read it if you want. But I dont mind repeating myself because I imagine it would be annoying for you.
So imagine being a soldier and you wait for an order from your commander to shoot the target you have infront of you. But that commander has to wait for his commander to give him the order to be able to give you the order. But that commander also has a commander and has to wait for an order. And that commander too. So it goes on like this forever and in the end you will never shoot the target. Therefor we will never exist. But we do exist right? We are proof to ourselves that we exist. So there has to be a beginning that is the start of everything which has no beginning itself. I believe in god who created everything that exists. Touchable or not. Like time. Because you cant ask "What was before god?" Because there wasnt anything before god. He created time itself. It sounds like fantasy but if you really think about it its the only explanation. Maybe it explains how we have such fantasy to begin with idk. But the point is that there has to be a god. Otherwise we would have never existed.
If you think that Something actually can come out of nothing then please prove to me where it exists. Show me an example. Because there are a trillion things of evidence that everything has a cause. And I never saw 1 thing can came out of nothing.
Lets take it to science a bit. We have 2 theories. That god exists and that god doesnt exist. I have much more things to back up my theory because I have a trillion examples of how sth came out of sth else.
But you wouldnt have even 1 example of sth that came out of nothing. So scientists would approve and support my claim.
Think about it. Doesnt it make more sense that god or sth like god exists? A design needs a designer. A creation needs a creator.
We can discuss if this is the only life we have and that we should live like we want and stuff like that after we cleared up this question first.
@Penthactus Soul thank you so much for answering these questions. I've been meaning to ask them for so long. When I ask these questions to my parents they start to think that I don't believe in their religion and then get offended. Religion is very interesting to talk about so I still have a few questions. 1.Where is heaven and hell? is it on earth? is it on another planet? is it on a completely different dimension? Earth can not be the only planet with life, there are more than 10,000 planets in our galaxy alone that are similar to the earth. So does that mean there are billions of god's in our universe looking over planets with life? If god is "protecting" us, then why doesn't he make things like harmful viruses, harmful diseases, natural disasters go away?
0 likes@Aryan When I was younger and me and my siblings lived with my grandparents I also had questions about our religion. They didnt get offended but they just answered with "Because god said so" "because its in our book" "You have to believe in god blindly" and that pushed me away from religion big time.
0 likesSo to your first question.
Heaven and hell are in another dimension or different state of existence. When we die we will be punished or rewarded in our grave. Existing in another dimension between the worldly dimension and the afterlife. Then we will be resurrected to be judged. And then we will go to another dimension where heaven and hell are.
We cant see heaven or hell while we live. We will never even in a trillion years be able to see the heaven or hell or what happens in the graves while we live.
2nd it would be naive to think we are the only sentient intelligent beings in the whole universe but the reason its not talked about in my religion is because god knows aliens arent sth we should be worried about. We wont be in contact with aliens ever so its not written in our book where only the important things are written down.
I believe aliens exist but they wont ever have anything to do with us. So its irrelevant to fantasize about them. At least while we live.
Think about the names god has. He is the only one and he is all knowing all powerful. He created everything. So there no lesser gods watching over other planets. God himself is looking over everything that exists. He sees and oversees everything from galaxies to black small ants at night. He sees everything and watches over everything and keeps everything intact. And its very easy for him.
God is protecting us in a way. He isnt protecing us from everything. Because then there would be no point in testing us in this life. We have good phases in our lives to appreciate the gifts god gave us and we have bad phases where we still appreciate what god gave us and pray for better things because we know god is the only one who can hurt or help us. He has the power and control over everything. But he still gave us free will. So its a test if we follow his commendments or not while we have hardships in our life.
It wouldnt be much of a test if god takes all hardships from our life away. And god created for every disease a cure. Its us who decide if we want to work to find a cure. And if we want to find a cure to cure all people or to find a cure for our own gain to make the most money off of it.
@Penthactus Soul ohh...
0 likes@Aryan Why "ohh" ?
0 likes@Penthactus Soul because it's very interesting.
0 likes@Aryan Oh ok. Yeah it is. What I told you comes from Islam btw. If you have more questions just ask :)
0 likes@Penthactus Soul I don't think I have anymore questions now. And I don't want to spam your notifs and annoy you. Have a good day, mate! :]
0 likes@Aryan Dont worry about that I dont mind :) Have a good day too. You can ask anytime again
0 likes@Penthactus Soul I do believe that everything has a cause: science. Through the process of evolution, humanity came to be and came to thrive, leading us to become the most intelligent creatures on the planet. Only with this intelligence comes the belief in God. If there really was an omnipotent being out there, why wouldn't it prevent all the misfortunes humanity faced daily. Answer that for me.
0 likes@Joshua S Before I get into this I wanna know sth. Is the only reason you dont believe in god that because humanity suffers a lot or is it just the first question you wanna ask?
0 likesPenthactus Soul I have many reasons not to believe in a being that could do anything yet chooses not to because it enjoys humanity’s suffering. That was just my first question.
0 likesThat guy is so calm. He’s well spoken and calm even in this horrible situation! Very inspirational
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My Dad's the same way. It's amazing how clam he can be in a stressful scary situation. Years of learning how to be calm with his abusive Dad... And sadly probably the same reason this guy is so calm too. Trying to be calm and respectful toward someone who has your life in their hands :( I'm so glad he got reimbursement for the ordeal...
12 likesBecause he's Canadian
4 likes@Mrs. K That sounds great and most unusual if your father managed to heal from childhood trauma by himself. Did he maybe learn hos´w to use himself in his profession?
0 likesnot to mention its 3am. If I am held up even 30 seconds from getting home by a slow driver I lose it haha
1 like@S.B. thats also the reason he was proven innocent & the officers penalized. United states would have him in jail, payin fines & officers promoted
1 likeThat was fkng INFURIATING to watch. Those poor men. I cannot imagine how frustrating, terrifying, and horrifying it would be to be in that position. Knowing you’re innocent and having an investigator telling you otherwise with such conviction... gah. I’m so glad the Canadian cop was at least reprimanded for his abhorrent behavior. He should have been fired and jailed, though.
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Ill heard canada are the same boat
0 likesWhat makes it even worse is that the suspect has to juggle with what they feel they can and can't say without further incriminating themselves. The entire investigation becomes a farce due to both parties being trapped in a game of cat and mouse.
2 likesYay it's back up :P
4 likesI gotta give credit to him for how calm and respectful he was during the entirety of the proccess. I wouldn't have been able to keep my cool the way he did. And the way he talked too, so articulate. Seems like a clever guy as well as a cool one.
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It's Canada too from all my encounters talking to Canadians they've always been positive. It seems public relations with police in a America are super bad. So it's nice to see a different perspective.
17 likesI think he was in shock/ couldn't believe it was happening and was confused. The interrogator was so "convinced" that it made the situation even more bizarre. What's the point of even bringing him in the room just to say "I know you did it, there's no conversation to be had". Everything about it was confusing.
11 likesyeah, dude even had the presence of mind to ask to be able to call in to work to let them know he wouldn't be able to come in the next morning.
13 likesthis is what a real man looks like..
It's painful to see that what made this take so long to be dealt with was that he viewed the interrogation as an honest, good faith process and was simply being a good, helpful person - which made him look to this cephalitic bitch like he was guilty.
7 likesYa, that guy is a saint. He's awesome
2 likes@mak0001 You can compare Canadian politeness to southern hospitality. While it's somewhat customary, it's also a cover for serious racism and abuse of power. Have you seen any of the brutality videos when Cdn police smash on people? Especially Indigenous and POC? I've seen it first hand. Canada wants "the good" image to prevail, but the mask is slipping.
1 likeKyle Mouttet haha, it’s funny you say that. Because the entire time, I was watching it. I kept thinking to myself: I’d need to let my work know I can’t make it in. Lol
1 like@LostWuns this makes perfect sense. And it's also very sad.
2 likes@LostWuns . . . . . .
0 likes@Chamomile Tea Seems no one took your obvious bait.
0 likesG-d that first guy ticks me off so much
0 likesI feel so bad for him, imagine getting out of prison, realizing you need to turn your life around, walk the straight and narrow do that for 2 years only to be imprisoned for a crime you didn't commit, for over 2yrs but from his perspective not knowing how long he will be incarcerated for, or whether he will ever be able to prove his innocence and get out early. The feeling of helplessness, betrayal and anger he faced daily for years while falsely incarcerated. Being in prison with those feelings, and still trying to walk the straight and narrow and not get in any extra trouble in jail. I'm extremely impressed, & amazed that he was able to control his emotions & maintain hope while incarcerated, and didn't let his emotions corrupt, and harden him and take away his hope.
337 likesMany people facing very extended prison sentences have a hard time with their emotions, most people eventually give up hope, get depressed and become suicidal... the fact he was falsely imprisoned, while living as a law abiding citizen, completely innocent, not knowing how long he would be imprisoned for, whether or not he would ever be able to prove his innocence, must have made those feelings, & emotions even stronger and even harder to resist. Doing so is an amazing testament to his outstanding character, unchallenged metal strength & fortitude, but even so I'm sure being falsely imprisoned for over 2 years changed him on a very deep lvl and he will never be the same.
Edit: Their seems to be a tad bit of confusion as to whomever my comment is in reference to. As to whom my comment is referring to, I'm talking about Justin who is the Caucasian gentlemen. I'm not talking about Michael who is the African American gentlemen, who is featured as the main subject in the video.
Edit 2: the white guy justin did time for a past crime, burglary I think...? But then got out of prison, got his life on track, then was falsely accused by candy and was arrested & unjust & falsely imprisoned for over 2yrs while awaiting his trial. Yes yall are right in saying that he was proved innocent before his trial, but that doesnt mean that he still didnt face incarceration, because if you cant pay bail or dont quality for bail like he didnt, then your held either until your trial and found innocent and released or you remain incarcerated until you have served the maximum possible sentence that can be given for the alleged crime your awaiting trial for.
Example... your buddy throws a beer bottle down but it hits a cop accidentally! He looks up but sees you not your buddy, your buddy runs off but the cop comes and arrests you. The maximum possible sentence for smashing a beer bottle onto a cop is 5yrs, so if you serve those 5yrs before your able to go to trial, where at trial you'll either prove it was your friend & subsequently be found innocent & released. Or you serve out the maximum sentence possible of 5yrs which can be severed in alot less time than 5yrs in reality, more like 2-3yrs. As you can receive time taken off your sentence for good behavior.
Plus you can receive comparatively large chunks of time being taken off your total sentence, being offered 2-3x time served per day/week but being conditional on you participating in the programs that are offered inside the prison that are in place to help you gain skills, knowledge, or to help you learn coping mechanisms to treat certain types of negative behavior. The Govt logic is that you will be incentivized into taking the classes by getting reduced time, the Gov't logic/goal is to help you with those classes. So when your released, even if it's now way earlier than beforehand because you've taken bunches of classes, that by taking all those classes you will end up becoming a smarter, all around better person, hopefully that will become a law abiding, tax paying productive member of society when your released!
Theirs been cases of people screaming and declaring they have video evidence that will immediatly exonerate themselves from the alleged crime, but still have to wait until the trial where evidence is entered & disclosed to everyone. Even if it proves your innocence you cant show anyone until the trial... :(
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@utubeaccess7 I think it's easy to ascertain considering Michael didn't have a criminal history if I recall.
6 likesWait what? Did I miss something? I thought he was imprisoned as guilty, subsequently got his life together, then was tossed into this bullshit situation with Candy essentially framing him, and he got off? Are you saying he served time again?
13 likes@smmoffat 6:58 they put him away for two years on these false charges until they were discovered
15 likesI hope he got compensation for his wasted 2 years in prison?
5 likesYou guys are mixing everything up. The white guy served jail for 2 years, and was living a honest life after leaving jail until he was falsely accused of burglary. He was not arrested and the prosecutors found out he was innocent. The black guy was never jailed before and spent 3 DAYS in jail until some decent investigator actually took the time to do a proper investigation and find out he was obviously innocent.
5 likesRobert Martinez likewise. That is just unacceptable, he deserves at least 5 million dollars.
2 likes@smmoffat yes, in the video it mentions he spent another 2 years in prison for being falsely accused as well!!! He did not go home after that interview :(
0 likes@smmoffat I think he was stuck in jail for two years waiting for his trial
0 likesI thought the same thing. He should have sued them for making him spend 2 years in prison for a crime he obviously didn’t commit. You could tell by his behavior that he had been trying so hard to be a good person and was so frustrated that this situation was happening to him anyway. That really isn’t fair. He was telling them how hard he was trying to do everything right with so much emotion. This was heartbreaking to me. He knew he had been a better person and this was still happening to him
3 likes@smmoffat I think you are correct. Not the original poster. He did some time for legit burglary. Eventually got his life together. And then got falsely accused. In this case reoffenders get locked up of two years. And he was facing a long time behind bars. But in this case he did not server them. They proved it wasn't him.
0 likesJennifer Fletcher seriously. It pains me to watch him explain to the cops how hard he worked. It really displays the true injustice that is brought onto the innocent from time to time. Absolutely unacceptable behavior. 🤦♂️
3 likes@Internet Explorer if your comment is directed towards me, I know it's not Michael, I made an edit to my original comment for people to understand the subject of my statement better.
0 likes@psychopomp of styx the white guy justin did time for a past crime, burglary I think...? But then got out of prison then got his life on track, then was falsely accused by candy and falsely imprisoned for over 2yrs while awaiting his trial. Yes yall are right saying that he was proved innocent before his trial, but that doesnt mean that he didnt still face incarceration, because he was incarcerated for those 2yrs waiting and leading up to his trial date. It wasn't until after he had already served those 2yrs while in custody awaiting trial for said crime that he was proved innocent and subsequently released. Re watch that part of the video JCS explains it and makes it all clear.
0 likes@Gabriel's Ladder ??? Why do u say that with such confidence?!?!?!
0 likesThat's one lazy, lying cop.
0 likesDetective/cops is not people you wanna talk to.
0 likesShouldn't it be a crime using false evidence and ignoring things like the witness description of the suspect in interrogations? how can something like this be allowed? no wonder there are cases of innocent people getting jailed for years.
0 likesthat is bull shit man that cop should lose his job.....and that guy should have got alot more than 50 grand .......
1 likeThe cop: Why did you do it?
3763 likesMichal: I didn’t do it
The cop: maybe if I ask again, he’ll change his mind
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I hate when people continue to ask the same question. I find saying, "Ask the same question you'll get the same answer," shuts them up
157 likes@Henry Smith yes but in some cases, unlike this one, they want them to slip up and accidentally change their story lol
66 likesperhaps if I ask for the 50th time he'll magically have done it
17 likes@mockeyize Yes, but that can happen to innocents too.
19 likes"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results."
14 likes- Albert Einstein
im not a hundred percent sure but in some cases you need to repeat a question or your actions as a officer to the suspect, like they r obligated to say at least an specific amount of time something like “put your hands up or ill shoot” or “come outside or we will come in armed” so maybe thats also one the cases
3 likesoutstanding movr
0 likes@mockeyize ok but the question was "Why did you do it" how is gonna slip up and accidentally say hes guilty???
3 likesIt’s a interrogation technique. Repeating the questions with someone who is lying they typically change the story with each telling. But yeah, it can be annoying
7 likesThis is so true.
0 likes@Ehtlam zone yes
0 likesthe second times they ask, you say I didn't do it - I want a lawyer.
0 likes@Henry Smith wow
0 likesI don't think you actually know much about psychology as well as you think you do.
0 likeswhere are the older videos
5 likesThat officer should have been fired. Cops are not supposed to bluff.
0 likesBut, good to know that the legal system still works.
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Nope. Cops are legally allowed to lie to you.
0 likesI know this is nothing compared to what these poor guys went through, but I can't help but think of a time when I was about 11 or 12 years old and my mom accused me of stealing $20 (which I didn't). I reacted very strongly and she kept saying "If you didn't do it, why are you yelling?". To this day it makes me angry.
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Some people have a narrative and they'll pick and choose facts as they like to make it true,
115 likesThis happened a lot to me as child and teenager too. It's infuriating. People are full of shit.
88 likeslook up narcissist
18 likes@StonieeB I think that's just called being a mom lmao
7 likes@Max Stanley No, that's not "being a mom". It's a warning sign and depending on the reaction and if it happens more times, it can become a problem. That's not how healthy relationships with any people are built
55 likes@CrazyDragy Agreed
1 likeYeah, I honestly have been accused of stupid shit CRITICALLY throughout my childhood via my parents as well. It truly is infuriating. My mom was fist fighting with her bf and then questioned as soon as I got home if I was on meth, and I said honestly and STERNLY "no." What does this woman say? "The first step is admitting you have a problem, because you're denying it we know you're doing it" I calmly stated that since they were so bent on their own perspective, it would be impossible to properly judge the situation or hear me out, even if I was being truthful. That seemed to boggle my mother a bit 😂😂😂😂
21 likesI grew up in a foster home with 8 foster girls and one actual daughter.
14 likesTaking the blame for things I didn't do and being forced into counseling and drug tests became 2nd nature to me. Her actual daughter could do no wrong and it really skewed my few on others.
My mom accused me of eating a piece of cake once when I was supposed to be on a diet I never ate that damn cake and she never believed me
2 likesThat's a good point. The only time I was ever truly falsely accused of something I didn't do and never believed was in school when another kid got hit or something was thrown at him. The teacher stood me up in front of class and blamed me and refused to believe me. I was about 10 years old and not that sort of kid so I have no idea why I was singled out like that. But the feeling of deep injustice stays with me. The feeling of powerlessness at having no way to prove it while a big burly teacher shouts at you and makes you feel tiny and stupid and wrong. It's only a fraction of what these people must be going through. I can imagine it messing with your world.
4 likesUsed to happen to me but I got good with arguing and I got good a worlds now I can lie and no one would ever know and I can tell when someone’s lying even if it’s somthing as small as what they are but yeas perents act like children more than children act like children and you can’t say no
0 likesHave you been accused of faking sickness? 😭😭 for me that was the worst. I had pneumonia at like 12yo, 104 temp and they locked me in a room and said I didn’t need medicine or a doctor because I was just faking it 😭😭 threw up and shaking, no food, just water
6 likes@KipechaWolfe Ortiz it’s the way they love projecting 😭😭 I point it out to them and they go insane, but it’s worth it because there’s no way they’re accusing me of lying when they’re the ones doing the most fucked up shit! I don’t want anything to do with them
1 likeWhen I was 14, I was cutting school to see a girl. I ended up finding myself
6 likesIn the back of an NYPD patrol car because I fit the description of someone who broke into someone’s home and smashed this 70 something year old’s head onto a kitchen counter.
After they called school to see if i was present in the morning, which i was; I only cut the last two classes of the day, they still kept me at the precinct in handcuffs. Why? The detective felt my chest and my heart was racing and he kept repeating “We got you kiddo.”
No dumbfuck, my heart is racing because i’ve never been in handcuffs and i’m 14 being accused of attacking an old lady and ransacking the home.
Well, granny’s neighbor came by and said “that’s not him. He looks like a toddler.” I ended up finding out who it was and it was 4 seniors in my high who look nothing like me. They were all white, greasy leather jacket wearing dorks.
To this day it makes me laugh how a detective with a college degree was convinced i did it because my heart was racing.
After the neighbor told them it was 100% not me, they took off the cuffs and didn’t mutter a word to me as i put on my bookbag and left.
Dumb fucks.
To this day i have never told anyone in my family that story which is funny because both my brother and sister work in law enforcement. I was more afraid of admitting i had cut class to see a girlfriend and preferred to not talk about that.
My mom did the same. Even I thought "Why am I yelling?". But today I know: innocent people yell!
2 likesmy teacher did it too at one of our tests,, the question asked for our personal opinion, and so i did gave her my answer which was quite long. She accused me that i googled the answer even though she confiscated our phones before the test. And i failed the class, what a fun time
1 likeAfter watching this, I now know my som is innocent when he reacts like that. :) but now I can tell when he’s lying. 😂
0 likes@SavvyGood like the video said there are still atypical reactions to look out for
0 likesHow Michael remained so calm and composed throughout that was so crazy, I was infuriated for him! So happy those investigators and detective got what they had coming to them.
177 likesIf there's anything you should learn from these videos it's:
297 likes1. Do not talk to police.
2. Do not murder people.
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Did you even look at the video? It was robbery in both.
14 likes@Dee Coley saying "these videos" one can easily assume "these videos [on this YouTube channel]" which quite often are about murder cases.
12 likes@William Duncan why comment on "this" video while talking about "these" videos.
4 likes@Dee Coley Well u cant comment on "these" videos simultaneously without commenting on "this" video. And excuses cant help, just say that u misread it, it's fine.
13 likes@Dee Coley robbery also applies
0 likesbut murder police? :')
1 like@[yeet yeet] not unless you want police beating you in jail
0 likes@Stephanie Moore its a joke
0 likesThis has happened to me twice. literally just walking to work just because I'm hispanic and looked like the person who robbed someone else. I used to shave my head. now I don't out of that fear of being always stopped and questioned for something I didn't do. it's crazy how they incentivize for putting people away rather than finding the truth...
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It is, and I’m baffled at the amount of people in the comments section who actually disagree with you.
9 likes“Just because I’m Hispanic”
10 likesGuaranteed you think it’s because you were Hispanic, but you either matched the description pretty well or there were some other things at play. I’ve gotten questioned because police got a call of a tall fit white dude with brown hair. I’m overweight, but they made a mistake because it was super dark and I was wearing a super puffy sweater. I could have been half my size and still looked big bc of my sweater, so I got questioned. But I could also say “just because im white” and suddenly demonize people who made a mistake.
@TheOneThatHungers Because the officer in question saw his skin color, subconsciously profiled him based on his race, and treated him as guilty afterwards. It absolutely could've been "just because he was Hispanic"
37 likesMe too
0 likes@Minurz and you know that took place, how exactly?
1 like@Nathan The simplest reason is the most likely. Any other reason you can think of as for why he was randomly treated as guilty? The cop just...felt like it?
3 likes@Minurz for the record and being Hispanic myself, this tends to be because Hispanics tend to commit more crime than certain races through an officers experience thus causing cases like these to happen at times. Now before you try to argue with me on that, it’s something that’s more or less known in stats and well you can even see it in the home countries where crime is rampant.
2 likesDefinitely not justifying what police do by any means, just saying it’s something that’s just gonna happen to potentially a lot of them. It’s sad a truth, but the only thing that could be really done here in mine and other Hispanic’s cases are to know our rights and be ready for a situation to hopefully come out of that situation without much issue, and this really could be something that applies to everyone that’s also not Hispanics as clearly shown by the other guy that got imprisoned due to false charges.
@Reflex You are right on point. People try to pull the race card, but we can't ignore statistics and the reality of what's going on around us.
1 like@Minurz he likely fit a description. It’s happened to me a number of times; is that because I’m white?
0 likes@Minurz okay, I don’t understand your first point, as it doesn’t change the statistic. I’d also say that is false in terms of the reason for living conditions being that way and I actually find it insulting that you think Hispanics couldn’t get better living conditions were a few things changed.
0 likesNow in my case my parents came into the US via crossing the border, however they did it during a time when regulations were more loose and were able to get jobs without needing social security number or any of the forms of ID that would give them away that they were in the US illegally. Though this changed after 9/11 and my dad left his job before they started cracking down on people that didn’t have a visa or something to show that they were a citizen of the US. There were ways of much my family earned money via my dad being a taxi driver for a short while, and getting another job which you can say that company was bending the rules enough as it was and it’s possible some fraud might’ve been going on there for a bit. The job was selling stuff, however the boss did at times try to get out of paying the people that worked under him knowing they couldn’t do anything as they were in the US illegally, however he left and became a distributor of another company by making his own company and my mom did the same. It wasn’t a killing by any means but it was the best and only way to negate any sort of checks. However, not every Hispanic was as lucky as my family. I’ve seen that they typically don’t tend to make much due to having some terrible bosses that abuse the fact that they aren’t here legally. Though there have been some ways to get around it, as because these are communities networking can be very important here and can help them from issues with getting a job.
Not to say that all of them come here illegally as that’s not always the case but that’s what was common in the community I lived in, but luckily everyone was pretty tight knit so people tended to look out for one another.
One more thing I also forgot to mention is that Hispanics that also tend to come into the US aren’t exactly fully educated at most they graduate High School if not then they don’t finish High School, and thus don’t specialize in any sort of field leaving them to get jobs that don’t pay much. This is also an issue back in a lot of Latin American home countries which tends to be the reason for them immigrating to the US, it’s not because of any sort of oppression in the US, and again I find it insulting when Hispanics in their home country know what real oppression is, and how badly the poverty is there and would much rather live in the US than in their home countries.
So to summarize, the issues with Hispanics having worse living conditions tends to be because of illegally coming into the US, and well issues within their own home countries which leads them to not have the highest of education which makes them get jobs that aren’t high paying but they see it as definitely better pay then at home because at least you’re not starving. In other words you can say it’s problems from their home country that tend to carry over into the US sometimes which causes these issues, it’s definitely dealt a bad hand in life which is difficult to overcome because of how bad it is in Latin American countries.
Like I said I’m not justifying any racist actions or extreme actions that they do on their part because that’s on the police. The thing is what do you wish for them to do, because people that talk about this don’t offer a solution to these issues, being more targeted because of the issues within our community yeah it’s definitely bad, so just knowing our rights is the best we can do. In terms of being convicted with lack of evidence is something that can happen to anyone not just Hispanics, it tends to be higher with Hispanics not because of racism but because of the statistics in crime among Hispanics. So you’re more likely to see a Hispanic get arrested for false charges then a white person. In that case, it’s more of a problem within the police force’s way of jailing people even when there isn’t good enough evidence for it. It pisses me off to no end that people make this a race issue rather than an issue with the police which gets nothing and it’s infuriating.
@Reflex You're seeing insult where there is none. I don't get how you can get offended over another group of people oppressing hispanics when you yourself believe the fault is from your own people. But regardless, for half a millennia, Hispanics have been oppressed by Europeans, and later Americans. The Central American caste systems, colonialism, then American seizure of Mexican territory, and just recently American corporate takeover of the Latin economy are why central America suffers more than the US.
1 likeYou know that Hispanics are illegally coming to the US, but you don't seem to understand why. Recently, many US corporations, especially corn companies have begun over the past decades to buy out Mexican and central american land to mass produce product. Because of their massive resource base they are able to produce and sell more efficiently and cheaper than the indivual farmers who had already been there. As a consequence, these farmers are rendered jobless from competition, and out of desperation they come to the US looking for a way to make a living. They arent taking our jobs, we took theirs. In no way is this the fault of them, rather it is the fault of American corporate greed.
I'm here for two things:
62 likes1. The video and its entertaining points and analysis (like seriously, I can watch this content for hours)
2. To stand up for JCS because of what Youtube did to them
It disappoints me to see how such a lovely channel is getting destroyed by this shitty platform Whoever did this, fuck off and just let us enjoy this gem of a channel.
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What happened to the channel?
3 likes???
1 likeYoutube keeps punishing jcs because their content includes “violence” and jcs is considering not uploading anymore it seems. Look in their community tab they made a post about it
6 likesThe fact that investigators can just lie to you to admit something you didn’t do is disturbing and should be illegal. This investigator should be relieved of his job for doing this. Garbage human
33 likesThis happened to me, as a female in Ohio in 2000. 3 days in a small, Oakwood Village cell. Swastika on the wall over my bed. Tomato juice and a slice of bread each day. Barely an apology. The judge was furious and I got very little money from the situation.
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Lol what? Sounds like you’re making stuff up.
10 likes@Schulz Scheiße Username checks out.
10 likes@Schulz Scheiße Oakwood Village is a small town. they’re literally less than 5000 people. They have less than a seventh of the student population at Harvard, and Harvard is a highly exclusive university. You’ve probably met or interacted with more people in your life than they have living in their town.
10 likesThey’re jail is gonna be awful
@Schulz Scheiße The fact they felt the need to include "as a female" almost entirely implies they are a liar. Gender plays no role in innocence vs guilt.
0 likes@Luke 03 gender does play a role. It's obviously not something that is written down, It's more about how each gender is perceived
6 likesThese comments are quite interesting. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Stay well, everyone.
4 likesOh hell, arrested in Oakwood. You must have been a devil.
1 like@Levi Therriault Yes, and women get half as much time for doing the same crime as a male.
2 likesIf you want to bring gender into it, lets play fair.
@Luke 03 Wouldn't that make it more detestable that she was falsely arrested, and therefore worth making note of? I think gender plays a significant role when talking about crime, prison conditions, social interactions related to the legal system, and expectations of treatment during confinement. Any of which is valid enough to state you gender for.
4 likes@Luke 03 Statistics to prove?
2 likesWhat an exemplary man! I think we can all only wish to have his patience and composure in such an absurd situation.
5 likesHere's a tip: If you're brought in to be interrogated for something you didn't do and it seems like the cops are convinced that you did it, you still want to lawyer up even though you didn't do it. Lawyers know more about the law than you.
4 likesLawyer up, lawyer up, lawyer up.
There is a difference between a "mistake" and this. If a doctor makes a mistake, thats horrible, but if the mistake is due to unprofessional behaviour and straight up bad treatment we face major legal charges. Not just "getting demoted".
2 likesJust makes me even more sad because i think this is more a rarity that the truth comes out and the cops get punished.
1 likeAnd it's scary... and that you have to be scared of the police, even if you're innocent, is sickening.
I love your voice and how you narrate the story’s you need to make more videos!
2 likes"The truth is paramount" and then the detective proceeds to entangle the suspect in lies by trying to give false information and making the suspect seem guilty and then treats him as a criminal giving him little respect treating him as if hes comited the crime he has no evidence of.
6 likesFrom out of nowhere when i was waiting for a train, police came. I had to stand and pose while a witness was sitting in a patrol car 50 meters away, then they said that it is 100 % me. I still didnt know what i was suspected of. They took me to jail and 38 hours later i got released. Apparently there was an attempted robbery in a store in the robber wore a black jacket. I wore a black jacket but there was no way in hell that my jacket looked the same. It was a very unusual fabric and expensive and nobody would ever rob a store wearing the kind of jacket i was wearing. When i was released there was even a little note in the paper(News) that the suspected robber was now released. Eventually i got cleared of all charges and stuff, but i have ptsd after getting kidnapped from The Streets and not knowing why, and locked up for 38hours.i had no control
1 likeMakes me angry that these investigative tactics are deployed with no care or follow up. Imagine if a second investigator doesn’t follow up this guy would still be sitting in jail.
1 likeI feel like these cops should be put away for as long as they tried to wrongfully imprison the innocent
2 likesI’ve been wrongfully convicted, even with victim testifying and said she lied. And the officer even testified and said non of my prints was on the gun i allegedly held to the victims head, I couldn’t afford a real attorney, and I had very poor communication skills at the time 2004. Didn’t even know anything about the constitution until recently. Ruin my life, I don’t have $20k to appeal my case.
1 likeI went through something very similar. In the 90’s a guy I knew was burglarizing houses. When he got caught he said I did most of them. I was arrested at home and interrogated for 6 hours. Thankfully, my punchcard at work proved my innocence. Years later I saw him at a Home Depot and he ran as soon as he saw me. He’s dead today…super karma.
8 likesThe job of the detective is not to find out if you are guilty or innocent. It is to find a way to prove your guilt. Those things are very different.
0 likesAlways remember Cops can lie to you about anything
2 likesbut you can never lie to the cops.
Omg! This poor guy! He’s soo nice and agreeable!!! In the meantime they’re screwing him over big time!
0 likesInnocent until proven guilty??? What happened? Can’t believe they do the same shit as they do in the US. I’m very happy he got some money! AND that the bad guys were fired or demoted!
those last few sentences regarding his $46,000 reward and the investigators being demoted was music to my ears, oh my goodness
1 likeWonderful video. I hope it survives. The analysis is good, engaging and educational. The topic deeply upsetting :/
0 likesI love the patience in the first dude. Pure Ownage.
0 likesI get the feeling cops, detectives, and prosecutors would rather put an innocent man in prison and let the actual criminal go free than admit they couldn't find the guy.
2 likesThey need to reopen that "detectives" previous cases, he straight up went in there and told the dude "why'd you do it" said they had overwhelming evidence, witnesses and a video of him doing it, he should've just been fired instead of demoted
0 likesAlways ask for a lawyer. Demand a lawyer. You can help all you want through a lawyer and the police can't use it against you. "I guess I need a lawyer then?" is not considered asking for a lawyer which is why the detective keeps questioning him. This is US, though... at the end it is revealed the guy is in Canada. They don't have a 6th amendment so not sure what to tell you.
0 likeslooved the last few sentences! I'd think it was worth it to go through all that for 46k dollars!
1 likeWe need alot more of these, as I have been locked up with truly innocent dude before.
0 likesGood for Michael. Its satisfying when justice is served.
0 likesSo satisfying to hear that he was compensated in cash and the investigating officers were demoted and suspended without pay.
0 likes46k dollars for 3 days ? i'd even spend a month in jail for that amount. kidding aside, i felt bad for the small white dude
1 likeI've no clue how I would have handled that. I'm glad he got righted
0 likesThis video is great, but I have to stop watching. Wrongful arrests are incredibly hard to watch. To know these guys didn't do a thing and are being treated like animals. It's infuriating.
1 likeHey. Sorry to hear what happened with JCS. I loved watching these videos they were really well made and researched. YouTube has been going down hill for years. People can't swear, demonitisation left and right, and now taking down videos discussing interrogations? There wasn't anything wrong with these types of videos. There are plenty of other copycats doing the exact same types of videos since you were doing them. But they only go after you since you were the biggest? Really hope you can find a platform to post new content on, even if its paid. Fuck YouTube.
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WHAT HAPPENED??
2 likes@Laurie Braxton A lot of JCS videos are about homicide cases, which YouTube decided is a violation of their “Violence” and “Sensitive Events” guidelines.
0 likesI'm guessing not a dang thing happened to the liar Candy? She needs jail for 20 years.
2 likesthat is the worst investigator ever, if he can't tell that guy is telling the truth he should be kicking rocks on parking fine duty for life at best
4 likesMe: "How can this guy be so polite, I'd be furious!?"
2 likesPolice: "...under the constitution of Canada.."
OOOOOOH!
"i assure you i'll investigate this story thoroughly" - sir, while you're at it, make sure to listen to the dispatch call once again please.
2 likesthat detective was a douchebag, if I was in that situation and he said "we already know you're guilty, so half of the questions we're supposed to ask you are off the table" I would lose my shit.
0 likesIm such an overthinker. My brain creates a million scenarios of how I could respond within a second, Id look guilty no matter how innocent I am.
1 likeI know there are good cops out there. One must have hope, after all. But after years of watching real police cases and the such, it has dawned on me that it is a fact that police very rarely look to catch criminals. That is not their job. Their job begins and ends with having someone to charge, to put in front of the judge. Police very rarely spend the time looking to see if the person they have arrested is innocent, only following up those leads if could lead to proving them as lies, and only in the cases where they feel they need more evidence to get a conviction. Once they have a suspect, all other avenues go out the window and are demeaned not necessary to pursue.
0 likesThe first detective was unprofessional beyond belief.
2 likesThe Canada charter or rights and freedom states : ''Anyone person charged with an offence has the right to be presumend innocnat until proven guilty according to the law in a fair and public hearing gy an independent and impartial tribunal''
0 likesI swear bro some of these investigators are simply out for blood. They accuse random people either because they are power hungry, or because they want money and promotions.
2 likesImagine if cops actually worked with the intent of solving and preventing crime...or maybe this is them trying which is so much worse...
0 likesListen if you guys see this i know your stuggles on YouTube, i watch your videos at work along side podcasts, and i thought you guys would make great podcasts, maybe youd be able to get nore freedom on spotify? Or patreon, i know youd lose the video part but if im being honest, your explanations and audio are good enough for me to almost never need to check. Just a suggestion, i wish you all the best of luck in the future
2 likesThe officers were suspended and demoted, letsss goooo boisssss
1 likeI really feel for those two guys who were falsely accused. It's really unfair :(
Suitable outcome for this gentlemen. I hope that $45K was cash in pocket and not devoured by lawyers fees. That questioning officer shouldn't even be airing up the tires on police bicycles after this. We all heard him say that he understood and acknowledges his duty, promised to do it and then didn't. Perhaps the roles should've been reversed.
0 likesWhen the suspect is the best detective in the interrogation room
1 likeI got picked out of police lineup as a murderer they were convinced they had their man unfortunately for them after hour of intimidation and their stupidity my whereabouts were proven as I was a 1000 miles away I did not know the deceased and my DNA was not at the scene and the DNA found was not on their records. at one point asked me to admit guilt and I would get a lighter sentence guess. That`s why the system constantly incarcerates innocent people.
1 likeWait, wait,wait...the "investigator" says to the suspect "How can you prove to me that you were at home"??? Uh, I think this is an example of a cop who needs to go back to Cop School for a little refresher training.....it's is not the responsibility of the suspect to prove his or her innocence....it is the OBLIGATION of the police to prove the suspect's guilt. FFS....
1 likeMy heart breaks for Justin
0 likesYour founding fathers gave you the fifth ammend for a reason. It's the last line of defense between your freedom and pieces of shit like this detective. This guy was EXTREMELY lucky to not accidentally incriminate himself. The entire porpouse for these interviews, is to get a confession or any kind of incriminating statement from you, and (this is crazy) can not ever be used by your defense in court.
0 likesDo not talk to the police, ever.
these authority figures constantly abuse of their power its sick
0 likesI would’ve let the detective know that I’m pressing charges and that I’d have his pretty little badge and I’d personally make sure he wouldn’t be able to get another job in law enforcement
0 likesI suppose if you retain a lawyer they keep you overnight, but here is a good example of a guy who should have a lawyer.
1 likeBy the way, this is the reason, why a confession proves nothing. You do not know the state of mind of a suspect under the given circumstance. People confess all kinds of stuff, depending what situation they assume they're in.
1 likeWe as a society should stop accepting a confession as sufficient evidence for guilt and then change our legal system.
Same is actually the case for eyewitnesses, specifically, if there is only one eyewitness.
Both are extremely weak forms of evidence.
A scientist worth his salt won't even discuss a new discovery based purely upon reports of eyewitnesses. He will ask: Can I see the data? Did you take pictures? No? Still interesting but come back, once you have some pictures that prove your discovery. Do not draw them, use a camera. See you soon.
If this allows some suspects to get away with a crime, so be it. But incarcerating inocent humans is much less tolerable.
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A confession combined with sleep deprivation, relentless probing and trauma from being accused has been proven by science that even innocent people confess to get the situation over with.
0 likesI had a very similar experience to Michael some years back.. I had been renting an apartment with some friends for a couple years. Our landlord was a police officer for the city. This also happened in Ontario. Toward the end of my time at the apartment my friends and I had a bit of a falling out over my struggle with opioids. I had gotten a bit behind on my rent, but had worked out an arrangement with the landlord and was paying extra to catch up. One day I get a call from him telling me that since I had not only failed to make those extra payments, but had still not been paying my rent that I needed to leave immediately. (This is illegal, especially in January). Also, I had been paying my rent, but my roommate/best friend since highschool for over a decade had been using my money to pay his rent, and than partying his rent money away. I said nothing. I packed my belongings and left.
5 likesI moved in with a girl friend I've known my whole life. She lived in this big beautiful condo, it was much quieter and much more comfortable. One night around Christmas there was a break in. Some people got into the common room of the building and stole the TV. About 2 months later there's a knock on the door. She answers and there are 2 cops standing there. They point at me and ask if they can speak to me in the hallway. I go to the door and they grab me and throw me against the wall and tell me they have a warrant for my arrest. They then proceed to ask me my name... I said you have a warrant with my name, so you should know. They took my wallet out of my pocket and pulled my ID and took my info. I asked what I was being arrested for and they said theft under $5000. I asked what I stole and they said the TV... I had no clue what they were talking about so I asked what TV. "How many TVs did you steal?" He answered. I said none, and was taken to the local PD. I had my friend call my dad to get ahold of our attorney.
When we entered they took me in, printed me and emptied my pockets of all items into an inventory bag. They proceeded to take my belt, pants, and sweater "for my safety". Once I had been thoroughly humiliated two of the officers said to me "so this is that deadbeat who owes (former police landlord) all that money". They made it clear that the reason I was there was retribution. I corrected them, told them how I had Infact paid what I owed, but had also just paid rent for the month when I was evicted, so my landlord actually owed me $600." They didn't like it very much and put me in a freezing cold concrete box of a cell with a plexiglass wall. After a couple hours an officer came down and took me to an interrogation room. He told me that I was being charged, what for etc. Said they had evidence but if I would tell them who had the TV and who helped me that it would help me get a reduced sentence since it was my first offence. I told him he didn't have any evidence so I wasn't going to help him. He told me again that he did and was going to give me some time to think it over and than one chance to tell the truth or he'd make sure I was punished to the fullest extent. Back in the cell in my underwear for a couple more hours. Eventually he comes back and asks me what I want to do. I say again that I know he doesn't have any evidence. He tells me "We have you on video breaking into that room with 2 other guys and stealing the TV. It's plain as day you, we had people in the building ID you. It's you."
At this point I just smiled and said "bullshit you do". He asked me how I know that it's bullshit so I told him exactly how I knew.. not only did I NOT steal the TV or have any involvement whatsoever, but I had NEVER ONCE, NOT EVER, SET ONE FOOT IN THAT ROOM. NOT EVEN FOR A SECOND.
After I said that, he asked me how many pairs of shoes I own. I looked at my shoes and pointed and he says "that it?" I says "yup". He asks if I own shoes with red laces. I say I do not. He leaves the room briefly.
When he comes back he says "look, there are 2 cameras in the lobby, one on between the 2 doors of the main entrance, and one in the hallway. The hallway one wasn't working that night, and the one from the entrance is angled as such that we can only see feet. Around 330AM 3 sets of feet walk up to the door and go inside. They take the TV off the wall and walk it out the back door to the parking lot next door. There are no faces."
He takes me out of the room, gives me back my clothes and I was driven home. That was the day I learned that cops not only can lie to you, but WILL and probably are lying to you.
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that's horrible I hope you're okay now
0 likes@Ella Brown I'm totally fine now, thank you. I try to back the blue despite the several awful interactions I've had with police over my lifetime. I try to keep in mind that its not all cops and that there are bad apples in all walks of life... However, these days it seems increasingly challenging to keep that mindset, especially in Canada. More and more it seems like the police serve and protect themselves and the people who pay them rather than the public and that the good ones are rooted out. I was lucky that my innocence was acknowledged and I was released without charges and only had to endure a couple years of harassment. So many others in similar situations don't end up nearly as lucky as I did.
0 likesI love cops but the bad ones need to be expelled from the force and not demoted. Arresting someone falsely and not doing due diligence should be criminal and should land a cop in jail himself.
0 likesWhat an absolute clown of a detective. Please tell me he was put on trial to justify his continued existence after this
0 likesWhen someone’s so bad at interrogating that the person being interrogated has to direct them on how to do it. 4:43 This guy has to be fired… so cringey.
1 likeI'm the kind of person that would literally be telling the police upfront that I am going to sue the crap out of them.
0 likesThey should lock the cops up that do this shit for however long they gave to the innocent person.
1 likeY'know what's super messed up?
7 likesMichael was probably just that calm because he was taught from a young age to not aggravate police officers to preserve his life.
You would think these guys get commission for every confession. God damn. They should have been fired.
0 likesGod knows how that first detective got a job in interrogation.
0 likesThis is the “justice” system everyone
0 likesWhat a trash investigator!! These SOBs need to be fired, charged, fined heavily and punished severely to make an example out of them.
0 likesCop: “I have nothing to gain”
1 likeSure
REALLY gonna miss JCS!
0 likesThis is yet another example of why LE should be a much higher paid profession!
1. Higher pay attracts better talent pool to choose from.
2. With higher pay comes higher accountability. Both personnal and professional. - they won't want to lose the job and there would be a line of more qualified candidates ready to take the job from those that suck at it!
PS...these officers only getting demotions and desk jobs...leaves without or with pay... is also an example of why unions are counterproductive. It becomes too hard to fire people for incompetence.
I’m just laughing at the fact that this guy is gaslighting innocent people just to get his career going and then gets suspended without pay
0 likesthey reacted differently because one trusts the justice system more than the other.
0 likes"am I under arrest/being detained" "I would like an attorney at this time"
0 likesY"ALL, hes asserting dominance through eye contact gotta think about it
0 likesJustice:
1 like$46,000 awarded
Investigators demoted!
PRICELESS!!!!!!!
46k for 3.5 days, not bad! Hhhh the best part that the cop got what he deserves.
0 likesOh will you please please do the interrogation of chandler halderson. I’d love to hear you analyze it
0 likesWhat an amazing channel.
0 likesThe first cop seems really insecure.
0 likesNever talk to the police under any circumstances!!!
0 likesThat is one lazy detective. I'm a retire PD, and I would've sent him on his way and get a warrant when I really had evidence.
0 likesGlad for the justice at the end.
0 likesThey honored him with $46,000 wow good for him .
0 likesdemoted and suspended without pay. You love to hear it
1 likeNah he tilted his head to keep eye contact in the beginning cus he was mind boggled at the cop for being stupid
1 likeIf a person is caught lying under oath that results in a man’s imprisonment, that person should be convicted and at LEAST forced to finish the sentence of accused.
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YOu can get at least 7 years for false information
0 likesMidway into this vid- I pray to god that Justin sued the living fuck out of that police department
0 likesDetectives can be dumb ASF sometimes.
0 likesDo you have a paid channel I can join? I love your content and wish there were more
1 likeThat's what you get if the policemen are paid / raised / ... result-based.
1 likeMore people imprisoned must mean a better job was done... Right?... Right!???
Wow, I really like the language you are using. So professional
0 likesI’d spend 3 days in a cell for $46,000 any day
0 likesWhat happened to half the videos on this channel? I know they are private now but does anyone know the reason?
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0 likesyoutube guidelines are dumb.
1 likeLooking at the bright side, the first guy got 46 grand for being interrogated and staying in jail for 3 days. Not the worst situation
0 likesPlease bring back uploads soon, We miss it! :D
0 likesThere incompetence is overwhelming how can u get justice with idiots. Well done on yr court award. Very cool man
0 likesThe second guy was shaking his foot i think he is lying and nervous 😂 6:24
0 likesThat detective needs to be working at McDonald’s
0 likesHe is soooooo Canadian. That is why he doesn’t behave so confrontationally. I also assume that he was aware of racial bias and how an angered response could have escalated things.
0 likesWow the last detective surely has put innocent people into prison
0 likesUgh this makes my blood boil. Especially the first investigator. He is a piece of poop.
0 likesWell at least a (more or less) happy ending ...
0 likesCorrupt investigators like this are all over the world' these idots should be sacked for acting like this' this guy is clearly innocent'
1 likefking subscribed! this guy is good.
0 likesThe ending was nice until I realize that Tax payers pay that bill for the officer stupidity 😐
0 likesAll they care about is convictions lol.
0 likesMan really went and got a Harlem globe trotter and said "yup this is the one" 😂
Trying to find the truth by lying, sounds like the cops to me!!!
0 likesHow is this detective employed?
0 likesI've literally been binge watching all of your videos before YouTube goes full stupid and these videos will no longer be available
1 likethe first guy's body language to me just screams "god this guys is going to be eviscerated when they realise it wasnt me"
0 likesYep once got stopped for running down the street to my house after work and they asked me why I'm running like bruh people cant take a jog anymore the fuck wasting seconds that's why bro
0 likesI fucking hate how detectives are always asking accused to prove their innocents. Which is impossible. You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof lies on the police and if they don't have enough proof then they don't have a case.
0 likesThat investigator should be fired, he lies.
0 likesSo the real robber technically got away? Right?
0 likes"You are guilty because I don't want to work"
0 likesBro had the up most confidence " perfect"
1 likeDemoted and suspended without pay. Oooooh, that's bad.
0 likesThe last 30 seconds of this video is the most satisfying I've ever seen.
0 likesforty 46 000 dollars for being 3,5days in jail doesn't sound so bad :D Dude had luck.
1 likeThis is sickening doesn't surprise me it happened in Canada.
0 likesNever get comfortable with a glowie sitting right across from you.
0 likesI almost threw my phone out the window right now
0 likes40k ain’t bad for 5 days in jail That’s 8000 dollars a day I would take that lol
1 likeThe ending of the video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
0 likes9:40 wtf... Wrong approach. You have to prove he wasn't xD.
0 likesBest ending ever
0 likesFrightening.
1 likeNot one person should ever go to jail that is innocent
0 likesJust imagine the small white man watching the video of the policeman interrogating the black dude hahahahha he must have had such a blast
0 likesThe most sastifying ending doesn't exi...
0 likesNEVER TALK TO THE POLICE, NO IFS NO BUTS, NEVER DO IT
0 likesThe innocent black guy speaks well. He actually speak like a lot of people I know who are highly educated. These guys tend to be less aggressive and always "reasons". I think his response is normal for someone who is highly educated. But I think the guys I know will get fed up and say, ok I will have to call a lawyer. These guys time is worth a ton of money, when they are not at work, they want to relax and enjoy their time. there is no way they want to waste their time and be stuck in a jail because of wrongful identity. They would rather find a lawyer, pay the lawyer the fees to clear things up as soon as possible.
0 likesDemoted and suspended, in Canada, in 2003. (:
1 likeThe second I heard the American accent I knew Red Hair Guy had to spent effing 2 Years in jail until he was exonerated
0 likesKinda wish both examples were separate videos
1 likeI kind of feel like this is exactly how I would have reacted to this situation; I haven't had any altercations or really all that much interaction with the police in general, and despite watching videos and reading about how the justice system is the last thing you should put any faith in lol, I still feel like I would have an albeit stupid trust in the system and with these officers had this been me, feel maybe not comfortable but confident and calm in this moment, I know I have done nothing wrong, and would probably be very accommodating, if confused, worry would not have set in at all, because despite having heard about it, believe in it, that mindset of 'It happens of course but not to me" is so ingrained. I feel people like this detective in this video eats people like that alive, false confessions all over the place. This guy handled it far better than I would have, cause my ass would still be thrown off by guard by the "We already know your guilty" line...my life would have flashed before my eyes all the way back to the time when I was 16 and put that empty jar peanut butter back in the pantry...10 years for that alone.
0 likesPeople get fired for picking their nose compared to what a cop can get away with wtf
0 likes8:40 Dave Chappelle's joke regarding not sleeping with a chick you were accused of sleeping with
0 likesThey are the pinnacle of incompetency.
0 likesCraziest thing is no one needs to talk at all… lawyer
0 likesPure racism from the detective
0 likesAnybody who is part of putting innocent people in jail or prison should be put in jail or prison for 10× as long as they served
0 likesThanks god that muppet was demoted. Shocking.
0 likesWHY does law enforcement NOT have to pay for damaging innocent peoples lives?! All this wasted time, these victims should be compensated
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he got $46k
186 likesIn Europe we have like a main court if you want to place a charge vs your country, and sometimes apears cases of human rights and all of that, and they demand the country to pay and compensate. They re realy restricted and demanding. But Open a case there its very very very expensive that the actual justice in each country
26 likesAnd beside all of that, they are always checking on countries to see if they re following the rules, ambient rules, sea rules, imigrants, refugees etc
6 likes@Letissia from the PD or from taxpayers?
9 likes@Wildfire How would one get money from the public domain?
4 likes@Wildfire Same thing
4 likes@shrimpflea well yes but actually no
0 likes@Wildfire my understanding is that it doesn’t come out of the PDs budget but I’m not sure where it does come from, maybe from Canada’s DOC?
2 likes@Wildfire Are you good mate? How is that not the same thing?
0 likesWhat actually happens because I worked for insurance is that the city pay a yearly insurance policy incase of civil litigation payouts... If found that the city is liable for a payout the insurance company pays that money to the victim.... In a sense , tax money is spent for the insurance then the massive payout to the victim is paid for by the cities insurance
1 like@Wendell Marthers interesting, just out of curiosity is that in America? I’m from Australia and I haven’t heard of that, might be different here (and in Canada)
0 likesHe was, hope the other guy got more because of prison.
0 likes@Wildfire you'll split hairs until its you. No offense. But you won't ask that when your ass sits in a cell for something you didn't do.
1 likeSue!!!!!
0 likes@Letissia u can’t buy back wasted time
0 likesThe detective should take his yearly pay and give it to this guy. A wrongful accusation that can lead to years in prison is not worth it
1 likeDid you not watch the video ending ?
1 likeIn this case they did pay. Both the law department as a whole (46k to micheal) and the idiot officers responsible personally had to pay via demotion and suspension without pay.
1 like@Letissia after a court case which means he rather got at most $10k
1 like@Dr. Vikyll Uh, you need to provide a source there, at least. lol.
0 likesAMEN
0 likes@Wildfire Both. Taxpayers vote people in that write the policies the police utilize. In the end it's on the voter to pay the price for the people the voter chooses to represent them. As someone else said municipalities pay an insurance premium anyways to cover litigation, but at the end of the day policy is the responsibility of those who vote for those who write the policy. Perhaps that sucks and it's unfair but I doubt anyone will put the effort to make the change.
0 likes@Letissia glad he did.
0 likes@Letissia he didn't get it for the corrupt cops, but from the taxes I pay, so it's hardly any justice
1 like@Letissia ahh yes 2 years of false jail for a bit over half a years salary bru....
1 like46million vvould have been fair
1 like@Letissia He had to fight for it, it should be standard procedure
1 like@Susana Mendes You can absolutely sue either your state or the country. that's why so many cases have names like Tennessee v. Garner
0 likesI guess you haven't seen some of the lawsuits
0 likes@Letissia Well, not the guy that spent 2 years in jail for a crime he didnt commit.
0 likesHappened to me. Cost $600.00. In the 60s. Innocent. Trust these people? Want to buy a bridge?
1 like"small and white" was what u needed, not fricking mike tyson
1 likewhile it is great that Michael got exonerated and compensated you still have to keep in mind that something like this never should've happened in the first place. He probably lost all his faith in law and order. And knowing that certain people (or being in the wrong place at the wrong time) can ruin your life so easily, like it happened to Justin, is just terrifying.
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Losing his faith in law and order is a good thing. Having faith in the state is an irrational position.
56 likesUnfortunately he should’ve never had faith in “law and order” to begin with. Most cops and investigators want arrests, confessions, and convictions to bolster their career and little else. It was sickening to hear that piece of shit saying he has “conclusive and overwhelming evidence” just to try and get a false confession out of Michael who was probably scared out of his mind in that situation.
27 likesMichael learned a valuable lesson that everyone should know: DON’T TALK TO POLICE, the justice system is not looking out for you
@EvE There's middle ground there.
3 likesYes, bit cops have to get suspects and fully investigate them. The knockdown evidence of the video was designed such that he would know they had nothing if he was innocent and would just have to wait it out. Sure it's all a bit ridiculous in hindsight but the circumstantial evidence of him coming out of the area was enough to hold him on.
0 likesI hope Candy was forced to pay the County for years, and she should have done time for false accusations.
2 likesThe cop was literally yelled at by a judge and the cop still insists that this guy is guilty. The cop has also been promoted.
0 likesThat Candy girl needs to be imprisoned for at least two years for falsely accusing him and lying.
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But is she sexual?
3 likes@watchingthecrazyworld it's really funny how both genders have privilage but because of the females privilage people only care about male privilage kinda confusing but funny none the less
94 likes@Epi idk if I read that right but almost nobody talks about female privilege
21 likes@AGM2007 I think that is his point they will feel sorry for the women thus no action will come to the case
33 likesYes!!!!!!
1 like@v mvm 1 stop simping. 2 why do you care about his pfp, 3 why should he use a tan bed?
25 likes@v mvm Easy on the simp sauce my friend.
11 likes@v mvm bruh, "do you even lift bro?"
6 likes@honey both men and women have privileges in certain aspects, in court women have so much privilege it’s ridiculous, they can blatantly lie and make threats with no punishment, they can literally walk circles around men in court and noone bats an eye and will just write it off as her being stressed or being put on the spot. Why is it if a man were to lie blatantly and make false allegations they get charged or added prison time, and if you do respond you should have an actual argument and not just say “male privilege, women arent treated fairly”.
20 likes@honey I disagree.
6 likesShes a female,never
2 likesCandy, sounds like a stripper's name seriously
4 likes@v mvm that’s my son not me in the profile photo...................
3 likesI have a feeling she spells it "Candi"
0 likes@Epi nah guys don't get shit or at least here in the states, women have all the power through and through both socially and legally.
0 likes@v mvm ok default profile pic
2 likes@honey very incorrect
1 like@Epi that’s not why, it’s because privilege that females experience was created by men. all gender based privilege is a result of patriarchy. women are under convicted for sure, and as a feminist it’s something i acknowledge and advocate to be changed! But again, it comes down to why are they under-convicted, and that is as a result of the patriarchal society we have lived in for the last few hundred years. Here’s a good example, mothers are often more likely to get custody of their children than fathers are, this is solely due to the historical gender roles created in a patriarchal society which deem the woman as the sole caretaker of the children and the man as the breadwinner of the family. It doesn’t make it any less just, but the explanation of it doesn’t come down to the oppression of men lol, that’s nonexistent, it comes down to the patriarchal norms that negativity effect everyone, women men and other! happy new year :))
2 likes@Bell Cosby i left a comment above this one talking about the origins of female “privilege” in certain aspects of life, and how every privilege either gender experiences is a direct result of patriarchal norms.
0 likesShe'll never be imprisoned for falsely accusing.
0 likes@Aoife K
1 likeThank you for this, we need more people like you.
I agree she should. Whenever anyone falsely accuses someone of something as serious as this case should face repercussions. Regardless of if they are male or female.
0 likes@eatsaa as sexist
0 likes@honey no woman have more privileges in court , like for divorce it's often the wife who win a lot. Man don't have innocence till proven guilty anymore when they are accuse of rape . I'm don't know any men privileges so please give me some.
2 likesShe needs the maximum sentence of 20 years. All false accusers should get the maximum sentence for the crime they falsely accuse
1 likeThe same severity of punishment as the wrongly accused would have suffered.
0 likes@Yo It's Kat Main no i didn’t. :)
0 likes@Aoife K Though you're explanation for female privilage in the court room sounds like it makes sense (I am not very well informed on this), your statement that you can't be sexist against your own gender is simply not true. Sexism is a form of negative discrimination based on gender in general. If you make a racist joke, but you are part of the race you are joking about, it is still a racist joke. If you make a sexist remark, but you are part of the sex your remark was about, it is still a racist remark.
0 likes@Mitchel Kerckhaert i agree that that statement was wrong! what i meant was that i find it hard to believe that a large amount of people could all contribute knowingly to the sexism against their own gender
0 likesmore than two
0 likes@watchingthecrazyworld Female privilege, this is so funny to me i must be an alien cuz i never experienced it or anyone i know did
0 likesOr at least where I’m from there is nothing called as female privilege 🥴
0 likes@Jo Yes, you must be.
0 likes@Epi This is so confusing it took me several tries to understand what you wrote lol. It's actually hilarious that it's exactly how it works.
1 likeThe female privilege prevents people from acknowledging the female privilege and makes everyone focus on the male privilege (which at this point in time is pretty small compared to the female one).
@Epi both genders should get privalge that they need
0 likes@Jo I am sorry to hear that. I am referring to America and other countries similar.
0 likesMan. I couldn't imagine the anger I would feel if I was jailed because of investigator's failure. I would sue the hell out of them.
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-and yet most likely you'd get nowhere in the judicial system.. it's unfortunate😐
5 likes@Surfside75 no not really. If you're wrongly imprisoned you entitled to major compensation. There was one guy that was in for 20 years but forensics became far more advanced and found out the guy was actually innocent. He got millions of dollars. Not that it's fair in the slightest, because you've lost years of your life, but at least it's something
18 likesHe actually was interviewed and he said he didn't get a penny of that money
6 likes@kaymen christiansen huh ? where did it go, lawyer fees?
2 likesLed Floyd do you know how many people are wrongfully imprisoned and don’t get that treatment? I mean there’s whole reality shows just about fighting to get innocent people out of jail. Nonprofit organizations dedicated to just that. And the longer you’re in prison, the less you have when you get out. To get a settlement requires hiring a lawyer, and a lot of people can’t afford that fresh out of prison.
3 likes@Hannah well first of all I would never bring up reality shows for evidence. I mean, Hollywood gets its hands one anything and it's exaggerated and perverted, distorted to the point of it being unrecognizable. Now don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying it's right to convict the innocent. But if you were wrongfully imprisoned, not accused but actually imprisoned I guarantee you youd have a litany of lawyers with massive hard ons begging to take the case. The hard truth fo the matter is that if you have a judicial system you Will convict innocent people. It's not right, it's terrible but it's a universal fact. The important thing is trying to reduce that as much as possible. I think our judicial system is relatively good when you compare it to other countries. Furthermore, when you determine a convict man is innocent, how do you compensate him for his time? Again, our judicial system, while it certainly isn't perfect does in fact have a system in place for just that.
1 likeSee here's the problem, everyone is innocent, your TV show shows people that are fighting for their innocence correct? Well, how do you know they're actually innocent? You become too soft and now you've got the guilty roaming the streets. It's not a black and white issue in the slightest, there's quite a bit of Grey area.
I was falsely accused and wrongfully arrested - TWICE - and spent time in jail. Charges dismissed in one and the other, never went to court (despite my efforts to get it to court so I could prove my innocence). Two years later, finally got a response: files on my arrest, etc, were 'lost' and no documentation ANYWHERE of my arrest. But run my license, and I have a record and my fingerprints are in the national criminal database.
5 likesAnd btw, I have a bachelor's in criminal justice, with NATIONAL HONORS. If it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone.
@Sandra D sure you did
0 likes@Led Floyd yea, sounds unreal, huh? Well, believe it, because it's true. I am very weiry of cops and our cj system.
0 likes@Surfside75 I disagree. If you are jailed falsely you have every right to sue the organization that put you there once you are freed. Plenty people have, it happens more often than people realize, and 9/10 they are successful in getting a settlement.
0 likesin this case the criminal appears to be the cop
0 likesWhat really upset me is that they neglected to check the facts within the 911 call.. could’ve saved Michael a lot of stress
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He did get $46k by the end of it, so I'd say he still won in the long run. Only bad thing he got was the emotional trauma and time wasted.
25 likesThat’s the unfortunately shitty thing. They don’t care about his stress or any of that. All they want is an admission of guilt/conviction. That’s why you stay quiet, say I invoke the 5th amendment and ask for an attorney.
1 likeI'll bet you 50 bucks they did, then threw it out on purpose for a chance at a conviction.
1 likeThey knew the facts. They didn’t care. They saw a black man and wanted to find a reason to put him in jail.
0 likesOh damn, I am so glad I saved the videos. Except one, that just wasn't downloadable.
0 likesThat the bad investigator got punished probably felt better to the guy than the $46000
0 likes“Demoted and suspended without pay” - that was the bit I was waiting for!!! 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 “Based on the evidence...?” They had none!
158 likesGreat videos! I’m a novice but am very interested in the psychological side of crime and investigation. Especially the depth of analysis your videos go into. Nothing like it. I’ve really been chewing the furniture waiting for the next film. I know these videos take time but is there anything that can be done to help speed up the process without losing its credibility and authenticity? Patreon?
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Anthony Leigh Dunstan go to the JCS patreon channel, it's only a dollar, very much worth it
2 likes@Short Track Nation they have patreon exclusives too
1 like@Short Track Nation thanks. Will do both!
0 likes12:12 this guy is khaby in Disguise.
4 likesPlease do a video on Jacob Stockdale
0 likesThe investigator in Michael’s case was infuriating. Makes me so angry to see police acting like they are above the truth.
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Their spirits will burn for an eternity
10 likesOur entire society is like this.
4 likesthe real robber was much shorter different clothes.........and WHITE
4 likesPolice are above the truth.
0 likesit's been a year since the last upload, when will we be blessed with new content 🙏 please
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It hasn't been a year. Youtube are deleting his videos. You can read all about it on his twitter channel.
7 likes@Samantha Scott thank you, good for me to know
3 likes@Santiago Golding You're welcome :)
2 likesCarelessness like this is why there's innocent people losing decades of their life in jail. Even if they sue after they've been vindicated, the money won't bring back the time stolen from them. I'm glad Michael got the justice he deserved.
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Thank you for saying this too. No amount of money is worth your freedom. People have spent most their life or died in the system that were innocent. There’s been innocent people sentenced to death too so yeah the system doesn’t work. Yet everyone goes along with it. I’m not sure how we’re the most intelligent creatures when we continue making the same mistakes and glossing over history like it didn’t happen
20 likeswith all do respect, this wasn't an act of carelessness. this was an officer trying to get a HUGE achievement on his resume, getting a confession without evidence looks really good.
6 likes@J. H. Do you have a better system in mind? Look, nothing is ever going to be 100% foolproof, all we can do is implement measures/specific acts of reform that reduce the chances of innocent people being wrongfully convicted.
3 likes@angel romero Hmm. I see your point, but they were careless for letting the real suspect get away by grabbing the first person they saw just to make a quick arrest, right? Also, couldn't not caring about ruining someone's life to further your own career be a form of carelessness?
3 likesyoure right, it is form of carelessness, i just assumed you meant carelessness as in careless about what the suspect looked like.
2 likesThese kinds of retrograde police tactics only hurt society for two reasons: 1. It gets innocent people in jail 2. If innocent people are in jail, guilty people aren't
2 likesThis "investigator" is a security guard material at best.
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more like my brother trying to convince me to say I've kicked the cat
35 likes@ozzymator 97 calm down there, Dexter.
3 likes@gaylord Never seen that show before, have heard of it though. Worth the watch? Lol
0 likes@gaylord are you that cop boyfriend?
7 likes@ozzymator 97 first season was okay
0 likesIn front of a club
0 likesWouldn't let him guard an empty parking lot.
3 likes@Ulysses Farr it's getting a sequel
0 likesI wouldn't want him to serve me fast food lol
1 likeThis fool makes Paul Blart, mall cop, look like Sherlock Holmes
0 likesI wouldn't trust them to clean scrapers used to clean bubble gum off the floor. They would fuck that up to high hell as well.
1 like911 caller: “small white man robbed our store.”
2778 likesCops: “arrest that tall black man, it’ll work.”
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@The Big Kiwi farts
118 likesWhat happened was the idiots who don’t know how to do their job grabbed the first person they saw 😂😂😂
26 likes@The Big Kiwi he was falsely accused, They were the ones who fucked up
55 likes@The Big Kiwi go touch grass
42 likesHe does look pretty white
3 likes@ItchySlothBalls I mean maybe in the recording because of the washed out colours but real life is a lot more vibrant and one could've easily told that he was not white.
25 likesThey have literally one job
8 likesDamn they actually said that?!
0 likes@DotWasHere maybe half or something but the officers who arrested him are blind
4 likesThe cop is the small white man
10 likes@The Big Kiwi why
2 likesThis is literally why the zodiac killer was never caught, its an infuriating thing to read about. A girl witnessed one of the killings and called the cops with an accurate detailed description of a stocky white guy, etc. The cop that interviewed her than relayed to all the police in the area that they were on the lookout for a black guy. A pair of cops happened to have an interaction with a man in the park that night that they later learned 100% matched the description they SHOULD have been given. But they were on the lookout for a black guy because of the detective that interviewed the witness.
26 likesIn all likelyhood if the cops had been given the right information by the original interviewing officer, the zodiac killer would have been caught that night.
@The Big Kiwi 40k isn't enough he should have sued for 100k+ his case is absolutely outrageous. The perp wasn't black and didn't match his description at all. The cops didn't even care to look at the facts they just seemed determined to fit this man up. Was it race related or just lazy cops arrested the 1st person they saw? Disgusting either way.
21 likesCherrypicked I see
0 likesIgnore the guy who was imprisoned for 2 years, black man matter more :|
1 like@The Big Kiwi if it was someone less calm and collected than that dude, he could've served actual jail time. that guy was let go out of pure luck. imagine if his personality was more like that bearded ginger in the beginning he would've been tased and thrown behind bars. he deserves every single penny from that 40k
8 likesalways have to start that racism shit so cringe
1 likeI think he's Asian, as a Torontonian his slight accent reminds me of a lot of Asian-Canadians I know, and this might just be my experience but a lot of them I've met had similar polite and well reasoning somewhat introverted personalities. It's hard to tell with the blurry footage though
2 likes@Liberty Lemonz then again, he could be black and asian.
1 likeYour perfect sociaty:
0 likes911 caller:It was a small black man THAT WAS GUILTY
cops: Oh a white man, lets get him.
@Karragh dude our justice system is embarrassing and SO INFURIATING! It makes me so mad, like wtf!
1 like@The Good Guy in a perfect society the guilty would just be caught the first time, not the other way around smh. In a perfect society there would be no racial bias
5 likes@𖤐ॐWotan Mit Uns ॐ𖤐 the conversation isn’t focusing on that guy. it’s focusing on the man who so clearly was picked out of laziness and/or racism. by picking a person of color, the chances of getting a culprit to charge are way higher, and when you clearly don’t care about if you actually have the right person, that’s a safe option to pick. both of these cases are troubling and sad for different reasons. it’s easy to assume people are ignoring the white mans case, but I think it makes way more sense to assume that 1) the original comment was about the topic of injustice to poc and 2) the main conversation in the replies is focusing on the main case of the video (the person of color).
2 likes@Kiya W. exactly, that means dont go assuming they arrest people for being black.
0 likes@The Big Kiwi If there wasnt evidence he was innocent he would have been arrested, and thats what usually happens. This dude was lucky.
3 likesEye witnesses are the most inaccurate and inconsistent form of evidence.
0 likesRacism
0 likes@frieddandruff this is the best response to a racist comment ever
0 likes@Rob Polaris yes meaning the eyewitnesses could be racist not the dang detectives
0 likes@Sirsams 552 They grabbed the 1st black guy they saw.
0 likes@𖤐ॐWotan Mit Uns ॐ𖤐 both cases are bad but the black man's case is alot worse because witnesses told the police the suspect was white and yet they just blatantly arrested the first black man they saw. The white man was at least reported by witnesses (falsely) and so it coult be argued that the police had reasonable suspicion. Arresting the black man however was completely unreasonable.
1 like@Sirsams 552 Because there are people that were falsely accused in the 50s that are STILL in prison 60 years later. The police were told the suspect was a short white guy, and they arrested a guy who looks like he plays for the NBA. How is it not racially motivated?
1 likeThe other case is much worse though. Poor guy spent years in jail because some woman lied. Why didn't they go after the boyfriend? It's always the spouse.
3 and 1/2 days!!!! 😡 glad he got money
0 likesThis is why having an attorney present is so important. It's not an admission of guilt. Its to insure your rights are not being violated and that you are indeed being treated as innocent until proven guilty.
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Exactly as soon as he started talking like he was guilty you should have said all right then I want my attorney present before I say anything
4 likesYes!! Even the most intellectual people don’t know all of their rights!!! Having legal representation is EVERYTHING not matter of guilt or innocence!!!
6 likesWouldn't have mattered. Criminals familiar with the justice system lawyer up. If a cop thinks you're guilty, everything you do is viewed as the actions of a guilty person.
2 likes@Marty McFly but at the very least now you have a chance to clear your name properly without risk of being tricked into confessing to something you never commit
5 likes@Marty McFly Sure. But while you're talking to the police, you shouldn't try to convince them of your innocence. Rather, you should not say anything that can incriminate you. Even if you're 100% innocent, like this Justin guy was, nothing good can EVER come from talking to the police. BY LAW, anything you say can ONLY be used against you. And you have the right to remain silent. And the burden of proof is on the prosecution. You don't have to prove your innocence. They have to prove you did it.
6 likesIf I ever find myself in a position like that, I really don't care about the optics. There are plenty of cases where someone was innocent and still talked himself into a prison cell.
In Canada, where this happened, during the interview where charges are being laid, you do not have the right to an attorney. You only have the right to remain silent. You have the right to consult with an attorney after charges are laid and presented.
2 likesIn Germany you are innocent until the prove of guiltiness....in north America it's the other way around....wow
0 likesInnocent or not, you NEVER agree to an interview without your attorney. These detectives techniques are exactly why.
1228 likesThe ONLY words out of your mouth should be, "I want my lawyer" then shut up. More people are in prison because the wouldnt shut up.
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This is true. I don't care if I was in the white house at the time of the crime, I'm not saying anything but I want an attorney. These detectives are disgusting.
91 likesHe probably just assumed they would be honest and that it would be incredibly simple to establish his innocence, which to be fair, it would have been. They just didn't bother. For three days.
134 likesMore people are in prison because of an commonly unjust and institutionalized racist system. Stop blaming the innocent Karen.
33 likesThe thing is, someone tried that in these videos. The police kept finding ways around it and essentially kept his lawyer away from him so they could keep interrogating the guy.
43 likesEventually, when it's been HOURS and they won't let you see your lawyer, you're going to crack. Willpower is finite; that's a well researched fact. You only have so much of it at any given time, and once it's out it's out.
@Talia not blaming anyone but, police. Im telling you what every single lawyer will tell you. Don't talk to cops. They never have you're best interest in mind.
57 likesBECAUSE, it is unjust and they are allowed to lie to you. Basically, nothing I said contradicts you.
Not sure how that makes me a Karen but, okay.
@LordofFullmetal Any information that they obtain any statement they obtain once you've asked for your attorney is inadmissible and cannot be used against you. It has to be your montre I'm exercising my right to an attorney, I'm exercising my right to an attorney I'm exercising my right to an attorney.
11 likes@Talia oh I see where you got the idea I was victim blaming. Poor word phrasing on my part.
27 likesWhat I was trying to say is that more people end up in prison because they put too much faith in a system that is classist and more important, racially biased.
People of color especially are targeted and lied to. You cant win and you cant beat a system that is unjust and rigged against you. My lawyer once told me that the legal system has nothing to do with justice or fairness. Its full of people whos job it is to undermine the concept of the assumption of innocence. It absolutely arose out of a desire of white plantation owners desire to control black people they still viewed as slaves.
I absolutely agree with you 100% on this.
Doing that preemptivly will not only grind an investigation to a snails speed but also causes confirmation bias. Basically why would you need a lawyer if you aren't guilty or better yet what needs to be hidden that needs a lawyers presence? As much as I'd like to say these things shouldn't matter in ones judgement; the human factor repeatedly tells me the "truth" of the matter is that bias will circumvent the real truth in many cases.
3 likes@Flourikum you need a lawyer regarding to protect your rights. Moreover, you're entitled to a lawyer.
28 likesExercising your right is not an indicator of guilt. It is an indicator that you lack trust in police, and lack faith in their ability to be impartial. Ive never been arrested but, if I were, I would only ask for a lawyer because being cooperative just give cops more to twist and try to make fit their narrative. It is not your responsibility to help them investigate. Give what all you stated, you sound like a cop.
@Penny Foreman no I'm saying either way they'll try and squeeze something out of you even if its money to hand to your lawyer. Remember case to case emotions will affect judgement, say it was a murder, they will immediately question whats the problem that needs you to get a lawyer so fast rather than give them any info at all. Even if you did nothing wrong they can easily let their emotions take over and target you just for making their job more difficult, rare but not pretending that it doesn't happen. Lawyering up will be the safest bet but can you afford them dragging out a case to try and milk you and or your family of cash? Most people can't and trust me some dirtbags can and damn well will try their hardest to screw you over.
1 like@Flourikum better that than being convicted of murder you didnt commit.
24 likesYep, but I believe a lot of people are scared to say they want a lawyer because they think it makes them look guilty from the start, and no one wants to make themselves look like they have something to hide so they just talk. Especially the more timid individuals.
4 likesExactly. I'd trust Mexican tap water before I'd trust any cop.
7 likesNatalia B. Stop trying to sound woke
8 likesThe problem is innocent people like himself just wanna help the police.
1 like@Shidposting i have no idea what that means. Being "woke." Other than terrible grammar. Im a 60 year old, reservation raised, Choctaw woman who is fair skinned and that gives me white privilege. A privilege my very much beloved cousin dont have because they definitely look indigenous. Ive seen, up close and personal, the difference between my other family members treatment by law enforcement and my own. As painful as it is to me to see my family members mistreated by police, it was considerably more painful for them to be the victims.
17 likesIt was soul crushing to observe but, imagine how much more devastating it was for them.
So, believe me when I tell you, the bias against people of color by law enforcement, is very real. My personal level of disgust towards them is extreme. Its why I belong to the red dress project and silent no more. Its an issue that affects my loved ones. That makes it extremely important to me. I may be old. I may not be "hip" or whatever kids say today but, I love my family and you can bet your ass I fight like hell for them.
Natalia B. Yeah.... no. That’s not true.
3 likes@LucyStar no it doesn't but, it does significantly reduce your risk.
1 likemy son is only 14 and I have drummed this into him already , not that I expect him to ever be arrested but better to be safe than sorry
2 likesyea if you can pay for a good attorney......
0 likes@Wither you're entitled to an attorney
4 likesLordofFullmetal i would sleep even when they shout coz ultimately they cant simply touch u
0 likesThat's right, I can't believe everybody doesn't know this, but what they do next is try to assert that by you not talking to them and asking for a lawyer is close to proof positive that you are guilty of the crime, and most court appointed lawyers will throw you to the wolves. I know from personal experience they will lie all day just to close the case.
0 likes@LordofFullmetal sooooo wrong. Interrogation is over once you ask for an attorney. Questioning ends. Period. And like she already told you, anything said is inadmissible. It’s in the code of federal regulations. They can’t keep “finding ways around it, &, keeping your lawyer away from you”, lol. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
2 likesThe reason it’s not popular and well known is because they don’t want child serial killers getting away with 1st degree murder and rape.....
0 likes@Mariah Gallegos nobody wants that but, nothing is accomplished by conviction of an innocent person.
1 like@Flourikum you are so misinformed and trying to steer some weird, preconceived narrative you already have arrived at. How much experience do you have regarding the statements you’ve made? You have the right to an attorney. Why would you talk to ANYBODY who says “anything you say, can and WILL be used against you “. Pretty clear isn’t it? Talk to them, and they’re going to try and hang you with it. If you think explaining yourself because you’re “innocent “ is gonna get a response like “Ohh! Okay, I’m glad you told us that, it explains everything “, from police... you’re super naive.
5 likes@Mariah Gallegos??? What are you responding to? The reason what isn’t popular?
0 likesAnd before you are ever arrested, your response to all police questions should be "I don't answer questions".
2 likes@Penny Foreman You are exactly right. Never. Ever. Ever. Speak to the police without demanding your right to an attorney. Any attorney will tell you this. Hell, every honest LEO and prosecutor will tell you the same thing. Every question a LEO asks you is designed to prove your GUILT. They don't ask you questions to get information. They don't ask questions to be your friend. They don't ask questions to try to help you out. The sooner people understand this the better. You are right as well that there are MANY people sitting in prison right now who are completely innocent, but their naivete in speaking with the cops before exercising their right to an attorney landed them in jail.
3 likes@bionicman696 no, no, no. They won’t assert that or anything else. As soon as you lawyer up, they’re done. Cannot discuss the case. With everything on video now they will not try bs in interrogation after you request counsel. They’ll shrug, say okay, maybe, maybe say something like “ya know if you can help me out, maybe I could’ve helped you.” They won’t say, “why ya want an attorney if ya ain’t guilty?”. It’s your right & trying to pressure someone to talk without a lawyer by implying that they must be hiding something is SO Fukin illegal. Especially after you’ve requested one.
2 likes@Cory I am have the opinion that the innocent need an attorney the most so they don't get railroaded. This is especially true for people of color because they are the most likely to find themselves accused of something they did not do.
4 likes@bul166 You're telling this a guy who has lived it, and had to spend a year of my life to exonerate myself of a crime I did not commit, I lost everything in the process.
0 likesI was wrongfully convincted for a crime when I was 15. I wish I known this! :( now the crime affects certain employment applications!
1 like@Penny Foreman Agreed.
0 likesPenny Foreman She’s just bitter and racist herself. That’s proven by the fact she called you a Karen for no reason at all after saying the system is racist. Lol.
4 likesJust watched a video called, 'Don't talk to the police', before this video. The Miranda Rights/Warning literally tells you that 'Anything you say may be used AGAINST you in a court of law' not 'Anything you say may be used FOR you in a court of law'. Even if you're innocent if they catch you out in a lie or you say something that even slightly incriminates yourself incidentally, prosecutors can use that to dismiss your innocence and then you land in jail. It's more like the Police are only there to uphold the law not to find the actual truth. Getting a lawyer is just the best thing to do.
3 likesNatalia B. Really original thoughts in your comment lmao
1 likeThat’s the dilemma cops rely on. An innocent person thinks that they can clear up any suspicion by being open and honest with the cops. A guilty person does the same thing because they think that’s how an innocent person would act (being “open and honest”)
1 likeThe problem is that the innocent can get caught up just like the guilty in these scenarios when the cops don’t care about the truth and just want a confession to close the case.
I agree that one should always use their right to an attorney and shut up. This isn’t a get out of jail free card though. You would likely go to jail until your arraignment. It must be really frustrating as a true innocent to not be able to trust the cops. But that’s where we are.
@Talia Most of the people in prison are actually guilty.
0 likesok karen
0 likesYes this was my first thought. Especially as a black male. Thats probably a very scary situation.
1 like@Super.Chuck source?
0 likesIt seems to me that everyone in the US/Canada has his own attorney. Is this true? Do you pay them monthly or only when you call them?
0 likes@Anatoly Dyatlov I can't speak for others but, my lawyer is also a family friend so I get a great deal of probono help.
1 like@Carpoole Layne so you think its okay to jail innocent people?
0 likes@Yt T I think you misunderstood her comment because that wasn't what she meant!
0 likes@Minnie W I ackowledge that way too may inocent people are in jail.
0 likesbut
Are you really asking me for a source that actually says "most people in jail are guilty?"
Most of these jail interview vids, most of them ARE guilty.
@Anatoly Dyatlov if you have an attorney "on retainer" that is hiring an attorney by-the-month as you asked.
0 likesOur justice system has some flaws. MOST of those flaws are in guy running his mouth in an interview.
Super.Chuck yes videos on youtube doesn’t make that statement true. It’s a criminal psychology channel. Of course it’s gonna be interviews with guilty ppl! Don’t get me wrong though I do think and mostly hope that there’s mostly guilty people in jail but I can’t say that for sure because it’s only my perception.
0 likes@Derek Mitchell Yes anyone would if they were brought in and getting accused or questioned for something you didn't do, which would be years of their life taken or possible lethal injection if they couldn't prove they didn't have anything to do with it. Everyone knows once they have eyes on you, you have to prove you're innocent.
0 likes@Derek Mitchell The situation isn't always that easy. Sometimes there isn't anyone accusing anyone. Sometimes people are innocent yet are still involved in some way, and they have to prove they weren't doing the crime or involved in it in anyway other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes they're just a witness, and sometimes what looks like murder was actually self-defense.
0 likesEXACTLY
0 likes@Derek Mitchell yeah but then they'd have to prove it was self defense, I know bc I've been a witness and could have easily got charged, and the actual person who defended himself was facing all kinds of stuff. Had there been no witness he would have got a murder charge because he wouldn't have been able to prove it was self-defense without the witnesses. Had they charged him, they could have charged everyone that had been there. Legally they say you're innocent until proven guilty, but in reality with a lot of cases you have to prove you are innocent.
0 likeswell he got his 46k so justice was done
0 likesIt baffles me that people still don't immediately ask for a lawyer. And when the cops say "if you're innocent why do you need a lawyer?" you say "I AM innocent, but you guys lie a lot" and then clam up. Not another word.
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They're really good at acting like they want to help you in the moment. They'll bring you food, rub your back when you cry, etc. They're slime.
58 likes@Travis Balthes Complete slime bags...they know what a mind-fuck it is in there and they use fear against people. I can understand why Michael didn't lawyer up because he's probably never interacted with police this way, but I was surprised Justin didn't do it immediately. He's been thru the system, as soon as those cuffs were on the odds were against him. Im so glad both of these men were proven innocent.
36 likes@Beth that's fear of worsening the situation, and accelerating a procedure, that's why the miranda act is often viewed as having negative impacts on cases, because it does make you look guilty, since a common person would say "why would you need a lawyer if you're innocent?" and the police man wouldn't mind reminding you of it.
10 likesFortunately, it's not the case, and people using lawyers aren't always guilty, but the people who uses it instinctively often are used to those procedures, and know that it's not pointing a guilt mark on their head, most people never get into an interrogation chamber for their whole life, so nervosity and fear kick in, and they just piss themselves and forget every bit of common sense.
If I were intheir position, I would shit myself, I would cry, I would yell, I would be speechless, in the heat of the moment, I would just have a mental breakdown and they would use it against me. I wouldn't have the nerves Micheal has to stay as dominant and persuasive, and I wouldn't have the stand to think of asking for a lawyer, unless they say it before I freak out, and even then, under the pressure, I'm not sure what I would do.
@Holoc0st I agree. We really don't know what we'd do till it happens. I also would probably shit myself, but I would do it while waiting for my lawyer lol I'm at the point where if there was a blood drive at a precinct I wouldn't show up to donate without a lawyer present lmao But it's like you said, for most people, even if innocent, their fear kicks in and they just want to cooperate. Most people don't fully grasp that as soon as Miranda rights are read to you, you're officially a suspect and from that moment on it's an interrogation. The cops are well aware of this and use it to their advantage. That's why I love this channel, the psychology behind all of this is so fascinating.
6 likesAs for Michael, I wonder if being Canadian was a big factor. I don't know how law enforcement is viewed in Canada,(especially by people of color), what rights they have upon arrest, etc. I didn't see him as dominant, he came across as incredibly logical and since he was innocent, he felt he had nothing to fear and wanted to be cooperative. That's what was so shocking to me about Justin. He's an American who's been through the legal system, already done time. He knows how corrupt law enforcement can be , he knows he's innocent, he has an alibi, he's sitting in a police station in cuffs and he HASN'T asked for his lawyer??? Fascinating.
Yeah these guys are seeking out for promotion after promotion, at the cost of imprisoning innocent people.
1 likeCos Cops keep you drawn into a situation so they can try and make you "defend" yourself against something you didn't do and then say the wrong thing... they really really keep you drawn in so asking for a lawyer won't be on your mind until... you know they aren't going to let up and let you go but in all that time they keep you drawn in they hope that it's a chance they can trick you and confess to something you didn't do, also this guy tried to deal with the situation peacefully but that cop was just totally dragging it on not wanting to be peaceful, he clearly just wanted the first person he saw to take the fall for this robbery.
0 likesSince Cops do this and keep you drawn in and clearly on a mission is one of the main reasons you shouldn't talk to a cop and avoid them as much as possible... they're just... ew... not very nice people even if they pretend to be.
Cops know a whole a bag of psychological exploits. They want to make believe that you're not "formally" being interrogated, that the whole thing isn't going to take longer than 20 minutes, insinuate that the questions are unrelated to you personally - so you're not a risk, that good things will come to you if you help cops in their investigation...
1 likeOnce the suspect starts talking, it's due to the sunk cost fallacy and cognitive dissonance that they simply want to hold on to those false beliefs. It's how victims of con artists often can't admit that they've been conned, suspects of crimes don't call for a lawyer because they don't want to admit to the gravity of the situation - regardless whether they're guilty.
Dont talk til you’ve been there. I had heard a million times in my life that you shouldn’t talk until you get a lawyer.
0 likesThey interrogated me while I was under the influence and I did it without a lawyer present, because even though you’ve heard a million times not to the overwhelming thought of knowing your own innocence takes over and you think you’ll be out as soon as you answer a few questions.
Well, I spent 4 months in jail and received 18 months sentence which I’m currently trying to have overturned. :/
@T I'm so sorry you're going through that, and it's even more fucked up when they interrogate people under the influence. And it's true, you really don't know till you're there. I was just watching a talk by a law professor about why you shouldn't talk to police, and he told the story of a criminal defense attorney that got put in jail because he let the cops question him...a CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY!!!!!! If he doesn't have the presence of mind to ask for a lawyer, the rest of us are fucked !!! LOL here's the link is you're interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=246s
0 likesSo easy to get stitched up by a lazy cop. Scary stuff
0 likes"The truth is paramount " He says as he lies every which way he can to get a confession from an innocent man. Ppl like him are why cops are hated.
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Exactly.
5 likesThe sad thing is that investigators like this usually get promoted because this strategy works. Most guilty people can easily be emotionally browbeaten into confessing, saving the force tons of time and money on actually investigating the crime. The fact that these tactics are also guaranteed to falsely imprison a few unlucky, weak-willed and/or mentally ill innocent people every year is just viewed as an acceptable collateral damage to our legal system.
27 likes@AlteredNova04 that's not something to be proud of though honestly
14 likescanadian police
0 likesEspecially if the person who is brought in has the mental age of a child
4 likesBart Man That’s a great point you’re raising. Now I’m wondering how many mentally challenged individuals are behind bars that are in fact innocent. This sucks!
11 likesACAB
1 likeHit the nail on the head.
0 likesCops are hated because people like to break rules, and the cops are the ones who make them behave. When you're not a criminal in the ghetto, you love cops.
2 likesThis is so hard to watch. I have to take a break at 7:14 before the second guy’s interrogation leading to two years just to recover from fury at the first guy’s interrogation.
1 like@Kurogypsy Just because it isn't something to be proud of, doesn't mean there's a better option. I'm going to side with the police here and say, do you know a way to get a higher rate of true confessions? As Alternova04 said, this strategy works and ultimately what matters is getting the truth even if the one being imprisoned doesn't know the truth.
0 likesDo you know or have a better strategy? If so please submit it to a professional. You'd honestly win some sort of prize, but for now this is what investigators have to do.
@GodlyCash sorry I just dont think falsely accusing folks is the right answer.... especially since I've also been falsely accused when I was younger
0 likes@Kurogypsy Anyone who has ever been falsely accused understands this. Those that have not simply have not been in the hot seat, their ignorance is telling. As for a better strategy, Blackstone wrote all about that. Perhaps people should read that which is/was the foundation of our legal system from time to time and remove the great burden their ignorance places on everyone around them.
1 likeCops are "hated" because people mainly publish bad cops stories that are a a minority out of every run in with them.
1 likeWhat makes a better headline, cop let's man go after traffic stop with warning, or cop kills man during traffic stop?
I've never had any problems with cops and neither has any member of my family. My family and extended are multiracial also. White, black, Philippine, mixed.
No kidding, if he ONLY did his damn job right. I can only guess how many times he has done this that we are not aware of in the past.
2 likes@Thorphinn Skull-Splitter Make that two of us, brother. Midwest born and raised on a farm and deployed to the sandbox. Police are trained to go into situations driven by their fear and shown that the consequences of murdering an innocent are often nil.
1 likeJust Hire a fkn Lawyer ppl.
2 likesThe guy in the black jacket seems very proud that he cleaned himself up and is rightly pissed.
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He should be proud!
142 likesThe narrator said it best: "He comes off as agressive, but in a defensive manner. He is not being hostile, but highly combative. His conduct is totally justified."
273 likesI know, people who clean up their act deserve way more recognition
91 likes@Oh no It Isnt more so passion than anger
28 likesOh hell yeah, he's upset because he has no reason to go back for something he's falsely accused of. That woman needs to go to prison 3 years.
31 likesImagine working hard at getting your life straight and STILL going to jail because of a lying "witness"! That's a level of bs that I wouldn't be able to handle
35 likes@Nicky Poundtown and likely some fear too
1 likeAgreed!
0 likesimagine how hard it is to sit there and plead your innocence when 1. real criminals lie about being innocent every day and 2. you have a past that backs up the false claims that are being put on you. must have been so much mental torture for him
1 likeDid I mishear or did he also spend 2years in prison before being exonerated? (not Michael, he spent 3 days in jail)
3 likes@D D yep. so fucked up
0 likes@D D also need to remember the us justice system is a lot more fucked than Canada’s.
1 likeThis channel has prepared me in case I am ever arrested. Guilty or innocent I will say nothing except “lawyer, please”.
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Just imagine how it must have been in the old days before there were any lawyers. You could get accused of anything and it would have been your task to prove your innocence, else you’re guilty and get the death sentence.
9 likesThe difference between court charges and being charged, and imprisoned.
2 likesLawyers aren't free my dude. Most of these people can't afford a lawyer.
3 likesYou can't say "I won't talk until I see my lawyer." while not hiring a lawyer to begin with.
Why the hell does the interrogators accent keep changing?!
0 likesWhat bugs me about this, is this guy was 100% polite, respectful, and trusting in the police following process. The cop, although also appearing to be polite and respectful, was clearly a lying snake. I’m glad he got a decent payout.
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I'm sure the demotion was a (deserved) slap in the face for the officer as well. I mean, costing the city/municipality/whatever $46,000 and making a mockery of the justice system for arresting someone who didn't even fit the description should probably result in termination, but I suppose in our world a demotion is better than rewarding this behavior.
10 likes@Starskii Guy JUSTICE has been served. I'm glad, "public servants" are not immune to it!
2 likesSo the sociopathic criminal is the cop in this instance.
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But he wasn't the criminal, that's the point
4 likesalways has been chief
112 likesIn every instance
23 likes@bcdm999 you act like no one has ever committed a crime
19 likesCOPS are LEGALLY allowed to lie. If an individual trust COPS they may take the word of their lies...many innocent people just assume the COPS are doing their best job. Just don't talk to them. If they remember you saying something that you didn't...regular people will trust COPS over your denial of what they said you said...and judges they don't let juries see the COP interview ALL THE TIME...the system is broken, evil, corrupt...and makes the largest prison population in the WORLD...3% of world population, and 25% of prison population. American Justice is just another lie...Oh, you can't afford a lawyer? You are basically determined to be guilty based on not having enough money.
50 likes@Mark Stewart SHUT IT DOWN, DELETE THIS NOW
2 likes@Anomalous Spinal Cord Specimen ΛΔ Exactly, freedom of speech is dead...for corrupt cops. These douche bags want me deny how people are treated, so their jobs and their EVIL intentions can be justified. They want me to put their corrupted jobs above human life. They want me to be OK with them stocking up with military supplies WHEN WE ALL KNOW every dictator, authoritarian, and despot uses their COPS to oppress people.
18 likesWe need a force of justice. We need a group that helps us keep us safe, but don't lie and pretend EVIL methods pretending to "help" people are the ones to do it.
@Anomalous Spinal Cord Specimen ΛΔ I'm going to preface my question by saying that there's no sarcasm whatsoever being used on my end here, intended or otherwise!! I just genuinely have no idea what you're actually talking about??
2 likesThey usually are
4 likes@Jacob Coates In an effort to make you feel more grateful....ah, things are sh!tty, so don't try to fix it...rather move to a third world country so our shitty version feels better to you. See? fixed. We fix by being shitty, but pointing toward more shitty, so you can't demand better....its as if, we got better because we damanded better than 3rd world countries, but COP worshippers want to make the world a better place by telling you someone elses shit smells worse? Current USA thinking is full retard, right now.
5 likes@Mark Stewart Ok, historically speaking the judicial system has always been without a doubt stacked against minorities!! However, at the same time I think it's worth mentioning that way too many people in law enforcement are bullies, extremely corrupt and basically the biggest group of arrogant narcissists who treat ALL races of people like 💩 and that's a fact 💯‼️
3 likes@Brett Lawton we, as just one soul to another soul, we are weak. Unfortunately we declared men in blue to be true, because they said they would make everything like Jesus asked. COPS are no better than us, but for some bizarre reason we declare that they are better than we.
2 likesTheir gun makes them true? There stories of bravery makes them right for shooting someone? These men have long been greasy and denied the faults we ask them to do...so they can keep their job now covered in blood of the innocent.
Its terrifying that so many people were wrongly convicted. Some were convicted based on barely there evidence and with others it seems clear they are guilty but with expensive lawyers, it goes away. People trying to defend themselves become financially bankrupt, to pay for all the fees, when found not guilty you are still out of your money. It shouldn’t be that you can buy a good Defense, yet it is that very way and lawyers make a good living. It’s beyond me when science proofs it.. some prosecutors and police wont let go they cant say shoot I was wrong, what can we do better next time. No they just ‘change the story again so the person is still guilty, oh it wasn’t his dna? Then he must have had an accomplice type of thinking. They should be objective. Even worst they just keep on working or transferred, but they destroyed lives, which IMO is as criminal. Something needs to chance, people don’t have faith in police or the court system.. and that shows with current protests. The government needs to choose to really change something or this continues until it really snaps. Esp now what’s going with adding this judge hastily. It’s offensive that republicans only play by their rules. This may mean court will perhaps upend certain things whilst more than 50% of the people are against it. If people courts still are against gays, etc.. they simply are outdated... make America great again ? Back to the old days? This only will create more mayhem and anger. The government/court/ is so far away from the normal day to day person, what they really want or need. This will break some day, and I don’t know if that will be pretty? It for sure wont be anything as we know it today. Those looters will be nothing compared to.. if you continu to treat the very people that pay the taxes so their jobs can be paid for... bad... someday they WILL stand up and say it’s enough.
1 like@Mark Stewart we, as just one soul to another soul, we are weak
0 likes⬆️🙄⬆️🙄⬆️🙄 ⬆️🙄⬆️🙄⬆️
That sir is one of the biggest understatements of ALL TIME, as it's quite likely that there's a great many of us, if not most, who've consciously or subconsciously built and modeled their personal and family lives around weakness 💯‼️
@Noneya Bidniz ...you say that like it's an insult
4 likes@V-Rex I get what you are saying. It's just not the assumed reality you are making it to be.
4 likesLawyers are provide for the poor in "criminal cases", and there is no lawyer provided in a "civil case". All it takes for a civil case to happen is a neighbor to think YOUR trees in yard shade their grass to much. Dandelions in their yard, and they think they came from your yard.
On lawyers for "criminal cases" for the poor. The lawyer provided has to represent anywhere to 5-to-20 times the amount of people that a private lawyer has to represent...and the public lawyer is paid SOOO poorly they can't even afford a paralegal to gather relevant case law.
I really like that you pretend to understand, because you heard someone say some words before. It doesn't exactly make you dumb, but it makes you hella ignorant, and upon you spouting your ignorance with vile you become belligerent. aka, you are a douche.
always has been
1 likeBrett Lawton nobody brought race into this though
0 likes@Blockhead134 the profession of policeman just attracts unhinged, power hungry and violent personalities and a lack of proper training and de-escalation techniques in the USA creates a situation where cops become basically just legal gang members
2 likes@V-Rex maybe this isnt the case everywhere. But my sisters juvenile defense attorney threw her case(truancy, and then 'violation of probation' because the school legally had to send her home for violating an OSHA code in shop class[wow, expecting a 13 year old to follow OSHA guidelines she couldnt know about, not the schools fault but whatever]) for the PO, to the extent that he didnt ever have anything to talk to us about and just kept recommending extended probation because my mom was pissing off his friend(the PO) and it didnt stop getting worse until we went to Bay County(where our state courts are in michigan) and seeked to file a report against them directly with evidence. Then suddenly my sister was on her way home and we didnt even have another court date.
1 likeYou can tell me the state is going to appoint me an attorney all day, but you cant convince me that attorney is going to think about my wellbeing even one time.
Up side, dumb b*^ch PO fell and broke her ankle months later, and had to go on medical leave for like 8 months
@V-Rex Dude, your just looking toxic. I grew up poor. I saw others get in a lot of trouble for asking about god. I saw others get in trouble in class asking why thing are. I got in trouble for asking about how the certain punishments meet the "crime".
2 likesI was "good kid" tell I was in my early 20's and I stopped after getting pulled over near a 100 times. Why? Well, I ask my parent, my grandparent, my friends parents why I was getting pulled over so often, and they would just regurgitate "you must of done something wrong". I would try to tell them I wasn't speeding, used my blinkers, didn't get to close to others, etc...and they said, "well, you must have done something wrong". That proverbial straw that breaks the camels back happened.
I owned a 1978 Ford Courier pickup. I would get pulled over twice week for my "tail lights were out", "missing review mirror", "failure to stop at stop sign", etc. The vast majority of the time they would let me go with a warning, but in a two year period I still ended up with about 10 tickets. The local laws deemed that I have to go to "traffic school"; which the director of the local DMV taught. He went over my driving record, and he expressed to me I have never seen anyone get a speeding ticket for 2 miles over the speed limit. I had several.
Anyway, I am not equating civil and criminal cases, as you will see I am the one that pointed out the difference between the two. Then you cover my observation of case load between private and publicly; to which you state the very same thing I do. If the courts provided more pay per case there would be more lawyers provided for the poor.
Maybe a lack of comprehension is what you suffer from; not sure what your problems is. You seem to just generally want to feel smart, but do very weak attempts. You lack some basic levels of maturity.
edit: forgot to add the link on the reality that most states dont provide a required "pro bono" service on any level.
https://verdict.justia.com/2016/07/18/forcing-lawyers-perform-pro-bono-services
Yup!!
0 likesIsn't it ALWAYS that way?
0 likesSame as Stephanie Lazarus
0 likesMark Stewart the thing is if somehow a group of “ force of justice” was ever created it’s going to be the same as cops. It’s going to be evil, it’s gonna have bad methods, lies will eventually happen and it’ll be the same cycle I might as well stick with cops because not all of them have the same bad intentions of lying I’m atleast protected every day
0 likes@Helena Terschegget The thing that needs to change is capitalism itself, Its caused all of this and will continue to do so even if you "fix" the justice system history will just repeat its self Over and over. Look to the root of problems when trying to fix them.
1 like@dArk Exactly, And why is that? Money, Or more specifically capitalism. Money is suppose to be a tool, Yet our system allows it to control us.
1 like@V-Rex You got some sort of know-it-all vibe. It comes off real douche. I don't know why you think your sort of antagonism works?
2 likesI had NO IDEA that lawyers are required to do a certain amount of "pro bono". In fact, I decided to look into it upon your douche bag style 'suggestion'. You're a real douche. Anyway, looked in up, and it turns out the state of NY is the only one that requires it. There is a ton of "encouragement", but no requires. The best gem I could find on the subject is an article framed as "forcing lawyers to perform pro-bono". Sure, I didn't do a state by state, but it isn't in my state...but thanks for the douche cannon attitude.
Im not sure your angle, but the most common, in my experience, is some religious worship of Capitalism. I have no perfect debated complaint against Capitalism, but I do notice many of its weaknesses; as in, if your are of the religion of Capitalism...since I am not rich, I deserve the consequences of being poor, right? Douche cannon, send me more of your bitchy ways.
That detective should be in jail, fuck a demotion.
0 likesOperator: "the suspect is a short white male"
6555 likesOfficer: sees tall black guy "yep, we got em"
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Straight out of a South Park episode.
429 likesGlad he got paid for this shit. $46,000
277 likesYou thought you could get away with this, huh?
72 likesWhere am I? I was in bed. I didn’t fire
any gun, I swear...
Shit! Jackson’s trying to escape!
@123 456 thats why he was so chill i guess. The dude is level headed.
31 likesBruh true
2 likesB-b-but the internet said police are 100% not racist at all!
43 likes@Stephen Appleby are you serious? They literally say in the video that the suspect was a short, white male.
49 likesAre we about to have a Water fight? Hope y'all brought your water guns
1 like@A W "Open and shut case Johnson. I saw this once when I was a rookie. Apparently this n*** broke in and put up pictures of his family everywhere"
10 likes@Finn Palm to be fair the initial call in has a high statistical probability of featuring inaccuracies. Yes, the description is very different but weirder things have happened and proven to be the case.
3 likes@WaterZer0 Stfu plz because #1 this is in Canada and #2 If you have a suspect run around the block, then see another person matching that description to a tee, then you would arrest him. Obviously he was treated like shit which is unacceptable, his alibis should have been checked out IMMEDIANTLY, but c'mon. Not racism, just poor-professionalism.
6 likes@scep ??? #1 what does that matter? racism is still a thing in canada..? #2 the narrator said that he didn't match the description at all??
21 likesIt's fair (and actually more rational) to assume that prejudices/racism got him arrested. Call shit out for what it is instead of bullshitting around what we all are thinking, we weren't born yesterday
@scep short white guy= black tall guy
15 likes🤔yeah I can’t see the differences
@123 456 that's not even enough to pay a bill for a surgery, he deserved so much more
3 likesAmerican moment
2 likesRight?! That's such bullshit 🤦🏻♀️
1 likeImagine how many times this exact same scenario has happened all over America
3 likesI swear, If an Officer does this, I'm taking the vacation to Japan.
0 likesExactly... so fucking wrong it’s terrifying! Poor guy..
1 like@Leyla D the description of the possible suspect isn't always the perpetrator, clown. No racism involved.
1 like@Vincent 97 The actual suspect wasn't a small white guy
1 like@123 456 that's it? Oh I'm cashing out. I'm suing for my time and sanity
0 likes@scep Yeah no such thing as racism especially in Canada
0 likes@HydraBill Rebirth ??? Racism exists everywhere
0 likesHaters
0 likes#study racism
0 likes@WaterZer0 because they aren't, people are racist, and almost all cops aren't racist or have any malicious intent sense, (contrary to popular bielief) police are humans, and don't act all the same.
0 likes@E E Ee to be fair Canada is the US
1 like@WaterZer0 ? What?
0 likes@WaterZer0 The video also cited examples of other races that were wrongly accused, including a white male. Stop trying to stir shit out of nothing.
1 like@WaterZer0 The fact they missed your sarcasm is telling on themselves.
0 likes@scep read @WaterZer0 comment again, but slowly.
0 likes@scep Are you saying the person who made the video is lying?
0 likesman thought it was opposite day 🤦
0 likesLove how cops can just lie and lie to get a "confession" out of someone. Innocent or not.
68 likesIt's pretty disgusting.
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Yea, this shit needs to be changed - it's unacceptable.
0 likesIdk, it works sometimes, and other times it just doesn’t. The purpose of lying is to slowly make it more and more difficult for a guilty person to keep lying, but it also makes a nervous person confess even if they’re innocent
0 likes@a4h4 That's the point of my comment. I know what the purpose of lying is, but the cops also don't give an F if they're really innocent.
0 likesheld 3 days .lol there are people in jail over a yr now some in solitary confinement for just being at a rally in DC on jan 6th 2020
0 likesYESSS!! the best ended lol
0 likesI loved the ending where he was awarded $ and that ignorant detective was suspended without pay.
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demoted too. mmyumyum that warmed my heart
24 likesNeeds to happen more often.
18 likesMe too!
1 likeLove a happy ending
1 likeBut the guy who served 2 years apparently got nothing.
5 likesthe us could never!!
1 likeHow the hell did the first guy ever become a detective? Hes so out of his depth its embarrassing
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Hear that accent? Dude probably bought his way in.
0 likesThe fact that this guy was being falsely accused of robbery, knew that he was going to be kept in holding, knew that there was no way he was coming out of the police department that night, knew that the system was against him and still asked if he could call his work to let them know he couldn't come in for his next shift just highlights what a great person Michael is.
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He call at his work cuz he didnt wanted to lose his job,not cuz he such great person and care
5 likesEmpress Diana Definitely, great person was the wrong thing to say. It was just another piece of evidence that he wasn’t guilty because most people who have actually committed a crime don’t think about the little details like calling into work
7 likes@Empress Diana nope you're wrong ...
0 likesThis was stressful to watch but I'm glad that interrogator got suspended, he had such a cocky attitude, hope he never gets to do any 'investigation' ever again
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Really, the punishments were not nearly enough. A demotion, suspension, and a fine for trying to ruin someone's life? They should put the arresting officers and interrogators in jail for the length of time the suspect would have been in there. There needs to be truly harsh consequences for failing the innocent.
17 likes@Sykres Completely agree. Cops should get the punishment they were attempting to put out when they are found to be lying / guilty of fucking with innocent people.
5 likesA learning experience I hope, we all mess up. I hope he keeps working and becomes a much better cop because of it
0 likesThere should be HUGE penalties for being incarcerated and falsely accused. In my viewpoint, those who are responsible for sending innocent people to jail should do the time themselves. THAT should be their punishment plus punitive damages.
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Mistakes happen, I think that if it can be proven that you went out of procedure to wrongly incarcerate someone, then you should be liable
23 likesWell yes and no. If Michael would have been treated fairly and humanely like the detective claimed, he would have immediately pursued evidence of his alibi. It's unfortunate, but there really can be such a thing as "wrong place at the wrong time," the difference here is that Michael was in the wrong place at the wrong time and THEN treated completely unfairly on top of that. The unfair treatment should be punished; arresting a guy that the dumbass cops assumed was the same guy they were chasing shouldn't necessarily be punished, unless there is some evidence of these cops arresting him and putting him through the ringer just to get a conviction for the case.
29 likesHey, at least they’re doing more about it than they do here in the states.
0 likesI whole heartedly agree! Not only do law enforcement and attorney's who participate in this kind of "creating a criminal" behavior need to be held drastically accountable, people who falsify information to "play victim" for whatever reason should also be held accountable for their lying. Often times there are people more than happy to take on the guise of a victim for the attention and or social and financial benefits that we so quickly bestow upon them as a society. As someone who has been wrongfully accused in the past and who has never had the money or resources to "beat the system" it makes me sick to my stomach to see these power hungry fools do this to somebody else because they have this deep seated intent to see what they want to see. I am ashamed to have been a law enforcement officer in the past and I am deeply saddened that I had to end up with a criminal record before I realized how arrogant I truly was.
2 likes@John Bacile yeah they do happen but if it’s pretty fuckin clear that the guy isn’t actually the perpetrator and they just continue to charge them for the most stupid reason, i think everyone involved should face the same consequence. you wasted years of an innocent person’s life.
4 likesand yes, there WERE/ARE cases like this.
the first video is an example, the witness said it’s a white person yet they get someone who’s a poc? lol
Honestly it should be more than the actual crimes
1 likeThat sounds perfectly fair to me 👍
0 likesNo
0 likes@Space Tacos 7 Definitely should be more than the actual crimes since they would be serving the innocent's time as well as time for their own crime. Plus, making it this way helps to prevent the loophole of giving someone a lighter sentence as a pre-emptive defense against incarcerating a cop for longer lengths of time. "Oh, well, the cop was wrong and antagonistic, but teeeeeeeeeeeechnically the victim only would have gotten like a week in jail lawl So the cop will be fine." Naw, screw that, cop gets the week plus like 5-10 years for malpractice.
0 likesMistakes happen But this isnt a mistake.. this is Just a accuse Without a single proof. Thats very frightning
0 likes@Nolan Gillentine If you participated in or witnessed railroading people into the penal system, you CAN get redemption. Please contact https://innocenceproject.org/ and work with them. It may even be a job opportunity, of course, depending on your culpability in putting the innocent away, might require you to do a stint...but if you deserve it, take it like a man.
0 likes@John Bacile Mistakes happen but if you keep pushing something you know is BS, it's no longer a mistake. It becomes a devious act, for the sole reason of saving face and covering your ass. That cop should be fired honestly, he lied about evidence in a attempt to cover his ass.
0 likesThe lesson again:
460 likesIf you’re being interrogated, don’t trust the police and don’t talk to the police without legal counsel.
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Honestly this. I would have been so angry and upset in his position that as soon as they told me I was 'already guilty' I'd have demanded my lawyer. Like... What? How does this work in Canada? Do you have to prove your innocence, or do they have to prove your guilt? :'D
9 likesit's not ab trusting the police it's just about not talking. If you're being interrogated, they're not your friend.
14 likes@flyingchimp12 "...you're not my friend..."
10 likes-Jeff
I don't understand why people talk to police in an interview room. Especially those with previous experience of the police.
0 likesThe sentence is to long. “Don’t trust the police and don’t talk to police ever”
1 like@Magisey Remember the bearded white guy? He was held in prison for 2 years without compensation as far as we know :|
1 likeI know everybody says that. And I watched the famous video about it. But I always think that I would need to defend myself. I feel if it goes to a jury and you don't say anything they might assume your guilt. But from everything I've seen you are absolutely right. Don't say anything and contact a lawyer.
2 likespepcore Yeah, it cannot help. The police doesn’t make the decision to arrest you and charge you during the interrogation. That has been already made. The ONLY purpose of the interrogation is to gather more evidence against you. It there’s just no reason to do it. None.
2 likes@Gtpk 35 yeah you are right. I will hope I never get in the situation where I have to make that decision.
2 likesthe stupidity of the first cop is scary, this is why there are so many misjustices taking place.
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not stupidity at all it is called evil
19 likes@Arrghgarry Based in Japan
7 likesNo, it's not stupidity nor "evil", it's pride and arrogance; pure and simple.
Misjustices? You mean “injustices?”
3 likes@Jenn Lecher ooh look at me. I’m all smart and stuff. NOBODY ASKED WE LNOW WHAT THEY MEAN
4 likesStop shugarcoating it. It's called heinous crimes.
0 likes@Arrghgarry Based in Japan it’s corruption
0 likes@Old Machines it. is. Sparta.
0 likesIm so angry 😡 at YouTube for removing his videos.
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YouTube isn't removing his videos, he himself is privating them for no reason
0 likes@studentviewsnelson JCS says it himself, stop spreading misinformation. Via Twitter "Pretending to be crazy & McDaniels vids down."
0 likes@Lex Sosa Well I still have the links to the original videos and it definitely says they're privated
2 likes“The truth is paramount.” Says the untruthful investigator.
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Infuriating. So glad to hear the detectives involved were demoted and suspended. Even if it’s still not justice there are probably countless cases where someone is wrongfully accused and less is done about it
59 likes@STL Reviews yea that wouldn’t have been hard to pick his lies apart. I would’ve said “let’s see this video” and then got a lawyer
12 likes@Adam Norvell i hope i would do that too
1 likebut i kinda doubt i would have the nerve to remember in that situation
Not for the cop. A professional lier.
2 likes@Django please do ignore me, I don't associate with bootlickers.
2 likesIt's all these dudes do is lie lie lie
1 likeWhen I was 13 I was arrested for being falsely accused of breaking into a mailbox. I was in the area with a group of kids when it happened. One of the kids told his little brother, who WAS NOT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED, to tell the police that I did it. I got arrested. No matter how much I argued, cussed at the police, yelled, and told them that I did not do it the police didn’t believe me. I was going to be charged with several felonies because it was one industrial mailbox that contained several individual mailboxes and mail was opened. Eventually the Chief decided to not charge me because there were over 20 people who had my side. That moment changed my life.
2 likes“Demoted and suspended without pay” - so there are happy endings
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hallo and he got 46gs!
9 likesIt's Canada, not america
8 likesFunny thing is that 18 years later, all they do to bad cops in Hamilton is suspend them with pay for years.
4 likesthank god
0 likes"The officers are on paid leave".
7 likes"A judge has found that the officer was in the right".
"In other news, why do some americans not trust the justice system?"
Oh Canada! How I envy you.
3 likesThis is Canada
3 likes8 years later, and he was promoted in that time, so he went back to the rank he was in the video
4 likes@dirtaylulu I'd like to think after this the authorities went back and took another look at every prisoner whose case had any involvement from either of these cops.
4 likesFor lying to somebody without evidence, and being a part of a culture where you are encouraged to get a confession without any evidence, I would say that demoted and suspended without pay is not enough.
6 likesCUZ CANADA
1 likeDon't forget he got paid though, probably way more then he ever got in a month. An in just three days, so some good came from it
0 likesthey need to be fired & charged with hindering an investigation
2 likesI would much rather not sit in jail for three days than having a "happy ending"
2 likes@Clutchyyy based 😎
0 likesMade me breath a sigh of relief. That guy was so calm in the face of false accusations and I couldn’t have kept it together. I completely expected him to get booked to jail and knowing that he was paid and his accusers demoted restores some faith in a fucked system
1 likeWish America could take some notes on that.
0 likesYet all it takes is for the wrongfully accused to lose his patience ONE TIME, with something like "Man, you fuckers are gonna PAY for this," and now it doesn't MATTER whether you're guilty or innocent.
0 likesThe narrator marvels at Michael's calm reserve, when it's very simple to explain: Michael has played his entire LIFE by the ruleset that you talk VERY GENTLY AND POLITELY to white men with GUNS if you don't want to get your TEETH kicked in.
46K is NOTHING. Demoted and suspended without pay is NOTHING. Being dropped into general population where most of the OTHER recipients of their brand of superlative investigative work are being 'detained' would be NEARER the mark of justice, along with a BIG FAT SETTLEMENT so Michael never has to ride the bus again so long as he lives.
They should be out of the job lol what. If I don't do my job...I get fired. They have a job to investigate crimes to make sure they are getting the right people. Very many times a simple check would have exonerated this guy, like the bus driver right when they arrested him, or the surveillance could have been pulled the same day or the day after, instead of 3.5 DAYS LATER! An innocent person got their freedom taken away for 3.5 days because of the ineptitude of these cops, so they should be fired.
1 likeyes thank God lol
0 likesEspecially when he was obviously angeling for a promotion by trying to get a confession without evidence
0 likesi mean that dosen't fill rigth tho
0 likesfucking finally 😭🥳
0 likesYes
0 likesconsidering, getting confessions without evidence gets you a promotion, I think it turns out they were just deranking to smurf on the newbies. i like to think there's a full on competitive ranking for detectives from essentially, Silver 1 to Global
0 likesYessssssir
0 likesThat was actually the happiest I felt today, when the closing statement dropped 😂
0 likesand my mans made 46k in 3 days ez money
0 likesdon't forget the $46,000
0 likes@Deeve_ Can I volunteer to be suspended without pay from my job? For fuck's sake, that's called a vacation.
2 likesThe second policeman got promoted and a huge raise.
0 likesThey always do that then reinstate the old job position once the public forgets
1 likeIt wasn't enough.
0 likesThis makes me wonder the amount of times innocent people have served life sentences, being wrongly accused.
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There’s was a study that said around like 40% of people in prison are falsely convicted I don’t know if it’s accurate source tho
17 likesIkr. Ive heard Lawyers say its extremely common
3 likesoften and the less money they have to more likely it is.
0 likes@BurritoMan Thats just a ridiculous, made up number. Stop spreading misinformation simply because you are too lazy to check. Even using the most basic of common sense any human should possess, a number this high should ring some bells and at the very least warrant a quick google search to check, before randomly posting it. The entire google search would literally have taken you as much time as writing this comment. Just if you are curious, the actual number is somewhere in the 2-5%, which is still too damn high. But at least we are not convicting people on a coinflip, as you seem to think is reasonable.
0 likesTalk about a satisfying ending to a video.
0 likesthe fact that they arrested the guy when he was a tall black guy and they were looking for a small white guy is kinda 🤨🤨🤨🤨..
0 likesThe person who stole was a small white man.
1711 likesCops: finds a 6'3 black man, "we got em"
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book 'em Danno!
35 likesThis is America.
36 likes@Karly Escobedo
121 likesThis is Canada...Hamilton in fact
Karly Escobedo baby, this is Canada
20 likesdave h Yes Hawaii 5-0
5 likes@Ghost America is a continent
16 likes@leigh honey, Canada is IN America
10 likesKarly Escobedo honey, when people say America we all know what they’re referring to. So you wanna get all specific then say North America, because that’s where Canada is, sweetheart.
59 likes@leigh Why would I say North America if this happens in the whole continent? Canada is IN America, idk if that's so hard to understand, America ≠ U.S.A
16 likesIt's not that hard
Technically Karly is right. North america, central america, and south america or the technical regions. When people talk about United states, they usually say U.S. U.S. actually lol
12 likesOpen and shut case johnson
6 likes@Louis V. Karly is not right IN ENGLISH. In the English-speaking world there are 7 continents, of which 2 are North America and South America.
17 likesWhen you want to race vulture so hard, but you suck at geography...
16 likes@Karly Escobedo In the English-speaking world there are 7 continents, of which 2 are North America and South America. Also, America = USA in English like 99% of the time. Learn the rules of the language you are using.
8 likesIt's not that hard.
Karly Escobedo Girl, North and South America are two different continents. It’s basic geography. So as I SAID, you should’ve said North America. It’s not that hard.
11 likeszammmerjammer No but seriously....💀
0 likes@zammmerjammer nah, you're in merica son
0 likes@leigh In contrast to the common definition of "North America", which encompasses the whole continent, the term "North America" is sometimes used to refer only to Mexico, Canada, the United States, and Greenland.
2 likesLouis V. When people speak about the US, they say “America.” Or when you hear artists on the radio, go to protests, or hear what white supremacists say, they say what? “This is America.” What’s Trump’s quote? “Make AMERICA great again.”
7 likesThere is no continent called America. There's North America and South America
7 likesKarly Escobedo karly just wants some attention boys
10 likesSo true if it were a liberal American City but it wasn't.
0 likes@Scott Tyler brooooooo you're sooooo funny man. That's hilarious!!! Xd
0 likesKarly Escobedo When you try to be woke but it turns out it happened in the Liberal La La Land...
4 likesConor Corrigan this comment is gold
1 likeStreptococcus Vitriol lmao, Liberal La La Land💀
1 likeDevon Glide ‼️
0 likes@Karly Escobedo America is not a continent. North America is. Don't try to dig yourself out lmao
10 likesLouis V. Lmao, but weren’t you the one that agreed with that one girl for saying that America is an actual continent?💀
2 likes@leigh It's so so so dumb. I see Spanish or Portuguese speakers on the internet trying to "correct" English speakers about this America thing all the damn time. It's ridiculous. It would be like me "correcting" a French person in French that "librarie" has to mean "library," because that's how the word functions in English.
3 likesLearning a second language is more than just substituting one set of words for another.
@Louis V. LOL. Okay, you continue to insist that you are right and the entire English-speaking world has got it wrong. Go ahead. Knock yourself out.
2 likeszammmerjammer yeah exactly. When someone says something, we know what they’re talking about. Unless someone is completely using a word, there’s no need to correct them because other people will understand it as well.
1 like@Dom When you want to use logic but you're too seething with racial hatred to make a coherent argument, so just vomit out racial slurs instead...
2 likesA simple wikipedia's fact check would get the both of you to stop hounded all night. Lol now post what it says and we shall see who "knows english" more than the other. As if that was even the argument lol. Stay on topic when debating something instead of creating your own arguement just to get your two cents in. We are talking geography, not literature. But hey, keep "correcting people" on the simple fact that you think you're better at the English language when we all know you wouldn't be shit without autocorrect now a days.
1 like@Louis V. Did you just put the word "Wikipedia" next to "fact check"?
2 likes@Louis V. You continue to be wrong and have nothing to say.
4 likesThanks for contributing nothing of value.
@Louis V. "America is a short-form name for the United States of America."
5 likesToo bad even your beloved Wikipedia is betraying you...
Nah, canada, Iceland, mexico is technically still considered north america by the rest of the world whether you like it or not. Making it apart of the americas. Lol like I said, stay in school.
1 like@Louis V. LOL. "The Americas" not "America." I like how you're backpedalling now while trying to insist you're still right. Did you learn that in school? ha ha ha
5 likes@Louis V. Hahaha after some "deep research" our man has subtly changed his argument, hoping nobody would notice his ignorance and let him slide. It's fine bro, you can go now. We won't tell anybody 😂
5 likesI stand firm with what I said, guy
1 like@leigh You are so wrong. Go back to school. The entire continent is called the Americas. We say Canada. America and South America. End of story. Go back to school.
2 likes@SlimRoller what special school are you going to? Actually, I’m not gonna argue with you bcs your ignorance is embarrassing enough. Have a nice day.❤️
0 likes@leigh I went to a great school and I'm well educated which is why I was able to give you the correct information so you don't continue to sound unintelligent. But your ego got in the way and did not allow you didn't allow you to accept correction and correct information. I'm sure you remember that the entire continent is called the Americas. Go back to school honey
1 like@leigh yoi're still wrong. But you'll get over it. Lol!
1 like666 likes
0 likes"Mission failed, well get em next time"
0 likesThis whole threat is so stupid smh
1 likeEach country has a different number of continents. It isnt about language.
In my country, Brazil, we have 6: Asia, Europe, Africa, America, Oceania and Antarctica. The American continent is divided in 3 sub continents, South America, Central America and North America.
In the US there are 7; North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.
In Japan I heard there are 6: North America, South America, Eurasia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.
The Olympic flag has 5 rings, each representing a continent. It says there are: Americas, Africa, Australia, Asia and Europe. It doesnt count Antarctica probably because it is meant to represent all the countries of the world united, and Antarctica isnt exactly famous for their countries full of people
Note: Oceania is basically Australia but with a different name. I personally prefer it because Australia is a country
@Carbon 12 yeah, no. That’s a lie. When someone from Italy or Mexico asks you where you’re from, you say “America” because everyone knows what part you must be from. Or when the BLM protests were going on, no one said the U.S. they said America. So whether we’re full of ourselves or not, the world likes to hype us up.
0 likesI was once mistaken for someone of a different race that was a foot shorter. They didn't have enough to arrest me, never mind hold me, but they still said I "matched the description."
0 likesI got a good laugh when I read the news of the guy they actually arrested.
@Conor Corrigan lol
0 likesA small (white man) loan of a (6' 3" feet [black] man) million dollars
0 likesLIBERAL MARXIST COMMENTERS: Sees 2 stories, 1 of a black man jailed 3 DAYS and lavishly given $46,000, another of a white man falsely jailed 2 YEARS and given NO money
1 like“Hey, we should totally comment about how hard the black man’s life was, and totally ignore the white guy who was screwed over 1000x worse!”
"it was a short white man”
4055 likesArrests tall black man
Lying detective: "If you did it or not is not up for discussion."
Innocent dude: "Okay well.."
Lying detective: "It's really not. There is a number of witnesses"
Innocent dude: "Oh okay! Great"
Lying detective: "One of whom had a video camera."
Innocent dude: Looks up with joy in his eyes Perfect!
idk how he could continue thinking he was guilty. also that exchange was lowkey hilarious. he was so over him.
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Each time he thought he's making him squirm and the "criminal" gets happier and asks him to go through it.
316 likes@Kris Roberts pretty much if you puerto rican or any latino they'll label you African american even if your complexion is white as a ghost lmao
75 likesThe "police officer" who arrested him still say he got the right guy even though he couldn't have done it. And still he's employed at the same police department and made $188,242.68 in pay in 2019. How can that even be a thing? That guy is the exact opposite of a policeman, he's a crook and should be behind bars! Here's the employment info on that creep: opengovca.com/ontario-employee/Mann,_Oliver
160 likesLying detective: "If you did it or not is not up for discussion."......because we already know you didnt. We are just mad because we couldnt catch a little white dude so to save face we are saying we caught up to a tall black guy.
61 likesI'm an introvert myself and could potentially see myself reacting in some ways similar to Michael. However, I'm sure I would have challenged the officer after his speech between 18:50 and 19:15, where the Officer says he'll investigate and hopefully establish the truth to Michael's alibi (effectively establishing his innocence or guilt), which is a complete contradiction with the Officer's earlier assertion that they have clear witness and video evidence of Michael's guilt which is apparently not in question. I'd also have asked the Officer something like "what the hell are we doing here if you've already established my guilt?"
36 likes@pelle oh It's Canadian dollars so it's not as much as U.S. It would be around $143,000 U.S. dollars, which is still quite a lot for a man in this position.
5 likes@Luke Sutton wtf are you even talking about
47 likes"he was paid $46,000 and all cops demoted and suspended without pay" that part was nice....
12 likesI can definitely see why people are so angry about the police with instances like this. I really hate the rioting though.
0 likesWhat a fucking champ he is though. Well worth his payout.
pelle oh you have got to be kidding me
1 like@Kris Roberts I just wonder why you called the police on someone for asking if you had any cash lol
0 likesThe man was a well spoken, polite, gentleman who did not match the description of the perpetrator and (I bet) had no criminal record. But he wasn't white, so......
8 likes@Kris Roberts ... What?
1 likeThat to me feels like racism at that point.
5 likesThe guy is happy the whole thing was recorded, investigator was told it was a short white man, yet still continues to try to put the guy in jail for the crime. That sounds like racism to me.
@Luke Sutton The investigator was told it was a short white man.
3 likesThe fact he was a tall non-white man who he's still trying to find guilty tells you nothing?
@MrFallior Yes. Or maybe just lazy work. I don't think it's that uncommon for some officers/investigators to just pin the blame on whoever because it's easy and they don't really feel like having a proper investigation. But yeah, when you know the race of the criminal and arrest someone who is very clearly a different race but continue to insist that they are the criminal, there may just be some racism there. I don't understand racism. It just doesn't make sense lol
1 like@ganjaericco It doesn't have to be either rioting or nothing though. You can protest, which is non violent which is guaranteed under the 1st Ammendment of the (American) Constitution. Unfortunately people now say "protestors" when they should be saying "rioters". Riots involve violence to people and property and that is illegal. Protests are not violent and are completely legal. But the media is now calling rioters protestors as a way of making it seem like it's an ok thing to do and/or to hide the fact that they are rioting. That then gets blended in people's minds which just in the long run makes everything worse causing more division and more violence. The same thing has been done by not making the distinction anymore between "illegal immigrant" and (legal) immigrant. In the past, if you wanted to immigrate you had to through a process and gradually you could, by completing that process, be an immigrant =a legal citizen of the US. Now "immigrant" is anyone who comes here to stay, whether legally or illegally. Again, this gives people the idea that there is no difference. This makes people think everyone should be able to come here to live without any checking of background or any process. Many young people don't even seem to realize that there is a difference and only makes the issue more polarized.
0 likes@HowDoesOneSocial That's true. Any type of person that is okay with doing that, racial intentions or not, should be the one going to jail. It's a pretty psychopathic mindset to be okay with putting anyone in jail for a crime you know they didn't commit simply because it's easier. To not care that you just ruined their life.
2 likes@MrFallior right 😬 people are messed up. That's not the kinda job where you can just slack off and take the easy route.
3 likes@BulkyNigg nope. Actually they are labeled White...look it up. No joke
0 likesLeo Nidas on everything my uncle just got arrested mexican puerto rican mix and light complexion african American immate booking 😐
0 likes@BulkyNigg that's crazy, I've seen hispanics be labeled as white all the time.
0 likes@HowDoesOneSocial that's how people get robbed, sweetie.
0 likes@Kris Roberts it applies, sweetie. the word "racism" hurting your little ears is nothing compared to a man almost being jailed when he was innocent just because he was black.
0 likes@Donna Knudson the protests are non-violent until the police show up. and there's undercover agents who kick off rioting.
2 likesyou used so much time typing in what we all saw and heard. you sir, need a job.
0 likesIn software development, we have a thing called code review, someone invests 5 hours of his time to do something, another one takes 10 mins and reviews the most important parts of the work to make sure its done well. Here when a person's life is on the line, this stupid investigator got away with his hanky panky investigation :D
0 likesYeaa I think the first investigator is British.
0 likes@princesstamika not just because someone asked for some money. If they didn't actually do anything and they literally just asked if you had some spare cash, why would you call the police on them? You're just gonna waste that persons time and possibly get them in serious trouble with the law when they may have just actually needed some spare cash. Maybe if they like, threatened you or started following you or something, but asking for money isn't worth getting the cops called.
0 likes@princesstamika also, protests get violent without police all the time. And people get paid to go to riots to stir things up, but they gat like that on their own sometimes too. Especially the ones that involve breaking into stores and destroying the place and stealing. And in some cases beating/killing the store owner, who's actually usually black. It doesn't even matter if someone stirred them up in that case. Just cuz someone got you hyped doesn't suddenly mean it's that persons fault that you committed a crime lol.
0 likes@BulkyNigg could you have heard it wrong and it actually said "half-rican American"?
0 likes@Luke Sutton aren’t you white? Also he is black, black is a race, not a color.
0 likes@BulkyNigg ok??? The perpetrator was fckn white so it dnt matter
0 likes@molupin60 black is both a race and a color, ever opened a dictionary?
1 like@pelle oh corruption bro
0 likesWhat’s going on with the channel? Youtube making them remove videos?
1 likeThat first investigator is beyond infuriating. I get it's his job, but he's bad at it. He's so cocky and doesn't even build up to anything. Just accuses him right off the bat spilling lies, EVEN when he doesn't fit the description AT ALL. I don't know how that man stayed so calm, I would have been so mad at each lie that came out of his mouth
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Alan Valle bro you’re detached from reality lmao the detectives aren’t gonna shoot him after or mid interview because he got mad
5 likes@Tit Snack I got the impression from true crime shows that the angrier the person is at an accusation the less guilty they generally are. Obviously, it's not so cut and dried, and also depends on the type of accusation, but I still think this is the case.
2 likesalso he doesn't even let him talk/ wants to hear anything. like at least gather some evidence
3 likesIsn't the first thing you are suppose to do is investigate the accused's alibi?
4 likesHe was demoted after this thankfully
3 likes@Randy Douglas Problem is, a lot of people can't afford a lawyer, and in the US you can't get a public defender until you are charged, so it is a lose lose for a lot of people.
1 likeAgreed, especially when he said “we have you on video so it’s not even a question of IF you did it”. The guy called him on his bluff though lmao
0 likesAlan Valle it’s also in Canada, not the US...there’s a difference
1 likeSteph Daigle Do the POC in Canada feel the same way? I completely understand that the racial tensions in the US are unique to the US, but I have definitely heard POC from various countries say that racism is an issue for them when the white people say it isn’t. A ton of white people in the US will say that we don’t have issues with racism here and turn around and brag about how they find ways around hiring Black people.
1 likeSteph Daigle Because I’m pretty sure that Canada had horrible things happen with the Natives over there and saw that some of your politicians were outcasted for trying to bring to light the race issues you guys have, so is it actually not an issue there? Or is that the just the same run of the mill perspective that white people everywhere tout? I don’t know your race btw.
1 likeThat man burned me up. He is the one who seemed criminal-so willing to lie and easily doing so, and like he had the right to do so. By contrast, the innocent guy he was speaking to was so much more pure by nature.
2 likesSteph Daigle as it should be! I can’t think of another place in the world where a white man and a black man are treated so differently by the cops
0 likesPolice: arrested a random guy that came out of a bus at a wrong time
3022 likes"The evidence against you is overwhelming and the fact that you are guilty is certain and not up for debate"
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This is why the first question in one of these interviews should be "Am I being detained?" and from there you either leave or shut up till you have a lawyer. It's painful watching both these innocent guys get taken advantage of.
198 likes@Big Taro you could do that, but at that point you're just being an ass to the investigator and aren't making things any better since they'll just grab you later and "detain" you.
12 likesAnd both of these individuals were being detained anyways. Talking often fixes things, since by staying quiet the investigators are only left with what they know and will assume that to be true, and they don't know your side of the story.
@Bear Marco That is absolutely false. The investigator is flat out lying to the first guy in the video. If you aren't being detained you're there as a witness, if you are, it's because you're a suspect. Demand your right to an attorney and shut the hell up. The right to remain silent is one of the most powerful rights one can flex. You can go through several of this guy's videos and on multiple occasions you see these idiots corner themselves because they didn't shut up. Some cops want to really find out what happened, but a lot want to convict and move up in the dept or just go home. I'm not saying all cops are terrible people but 99% of the time, it's better to shut up.
140 likes@Big Taro I take your point, but most cops don't get rewarded by conviction rate, it's based on things such as how thorough your investigation was.
2 likesWhilst you can probably stave off court by not talking to the police, it won't prevent them from getting a lot of that information through another method and then charging you.
You are correct in the belief that a large number of suspects do lie and put themselves into a corner, and that's one of the main reasons the police ask questions in the quantity that they do. Thing is; if you're telling the truth, it'll line up with the evidence.
@Bear Marco No, you still should not ever talk to the police. Nothing you say to them can help you in court, it can only hurt you. Any good lawyer would never advice you to talk to the police as the suspect
70 likes@Bear Marco "You are correct in the belief that a large number of suspects do lie and put themselves into a corner, and that's one of the main reasons the police ask questions in the quantity that they do. Thing is; if you're telling the truth, it'll line up with the evidence."
37 likesYea but isn't that part of the problem when you are innocent? What else can you say other than "I didn't do it"? It's only evidence if there are inconsistencies in the answers given, right?
@Metal Mayhem If you say that certain things happen, and there is evidence that proves that your version of events did happen, then you will be removed from police suspicion.
3 likesBy not saying anything to the police, and since they legally aren't allowed to draw conclusions because you want to be silent; they'll only have someone else's side of the story to go on. The same evidence can tell two stories depending on the context. One might tell your innocence, and the other may tell your guilt. It's often your burden to give them this context.
@Bear Marco NOOOO NO NO NO.
47 likesIt is always, ALWAYS their burden to prove.
Innocent until proven guilty. You get a lawyer if you're innocent or guilty because a lawyer tests the standards and evidence of the prosecution.
Eyewitnesses? Unreliable. Any good lawyer gets that thrown out. Testimony from just one person? That's not enough to convict. "I saw Jimmy stealing 4000 pounds of crack cocaine last night" should NEVER be enough to convict someone just because Jimmy doesn't say anything to an accusation so stupid. Replace "crack cocaine' in my example with literally anything else, the argument still stands.
If the police on have 1 context to go off of, then that's not enough evidence to convict, and you should go free. You do NOT talk to police because they will repeatedly ask you the same questions, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again and again and again.
They ask repeatedly because all it takes is 1, 1 contradiction, no matter how small, to get your testimony considered unreliable. Then you get a new charge, lying to police.
For example lets assume that you're arrested for theft, there's no evidence against you, but someone mistakenly believes they saw a suspect that fits your description running from a gas station.
The date is June 18th
Cop: "Where were you on June 17th"
You: "I was at home"
Several hours later
Cop: "What were you doing last night?"
You: "I was walking my dog"
Cop: "I thought you said you were at home when I asked you earlier? You're lying to the police? Why are you lying? Cause you're guilty?"
You: "what, no! This is insane!"
Several days later at trial
Cop: "well, you see your honour, the suspect lied to me, and when I asked why proceeded to shout and yell at me"
See what happens? Completely innocent, yet it doesn't look so clear cut from an outsiders perspective, right?
Do not, under ANY circumstances, talk to police if you're a suspect. EVER. Just 1 mistake is all it takes to potentially ruin your life. It might not even be your mistake, as this YouTube video proves when Justin got arrested for 2 years.
@Bear Marco That's fair but isn't there some middle ground where it isn't? The second guy that was asleep at his moms house, there's no evidence to back that up.
3 likes@Metal Mayhem There probably was, but it was most likely dismissed. For example would be his mother's word.
5 likes@Yassin no
0 likes@Bear Marco an investigator's main goal is to close the case. Some of them don't care whether they got the right guy or not
18 likes@Metal Mayhem Or if the cop can make it seem like there are inconsistencies. There are all sorts of dirty interview techniques that can make an innocent person look guilty.
12 likes@Squidwart If you're an investigator and make a mistake on who you charge, you've royally failed at your job and in most cases will quickly lose it. The people who charged Andrew Mallard with crimes all lost their jobs as police officers.
1 like@Metal Mayhem You won´t pay 100% attention to your environment at all times. "When you were walking through the city last week, did you see the guy in the pink elephant suit? He was clearly there." Your brain might even make memories under pressure, which might make you give a false confession.
9 likesDo not talk to the police when they are interrogating you, they don't speak in your best interest today. Hire someone who does, and who will use the tools available to make sure your words arrive truthfully and preferably harmless.
@Big Taro ABSOLUTELY! Demand to be released or speak to a lawyer.
1 likeI hope that cop got fired cus the racism was cristal clear
3 likes@Big Taro I think when you're falsely accused you go in thinking "this will be easy to get out of, the quickest way out is just tell them the truth" and they think that getting a lawyer will make them look guilty. You're absolutely right on paper, but I don't think psychology agrees with you.
2 likes@lalala lalala which cop? the investigator who did the interview or the one who arrested him at the scene?
1 likealso, he is white, and I don't understand what racism you are talking about. His clothes and hairstyle (or lack thereof) may have matched the suspect and the suspect had already popped out of sight.
@Succulent Orange it's a good thing psychology isn't worth a hill of beans in this case, and 99% of cases for that matter.
0 likes@Big Taro this is literally a video about psychology...
2 likes@Bear Marco You are dangerously wrong. Someone else recommended a 45 minute video about why you should NEVER talk to police as a suspect. That talk was given by a lawyer and a cop, and they both agreed talking is the worst thing you can do and can lead to a conviction even if you're innocent.
7 likesI genuinely hope you're never falsely accused, because you're in serious danger of fucking your whole life up under questioning. You really ought to watch that video.
@Succulent Orange yes, and?
0 likes@Big Taro " it's a good thing psychology isn't worth a hill of beans in this case"
1 like" this is literally a video about psychology..."
"yes, and?"
@Bear Marco there's a video of a professor giving a lecture called why you should never talk to the police. i suggest everyone watch it.
0 likes@iClash I saw it months prior to now, all of it.
0 likes@Bear Marco homi no... the investigator is not your friend, talking does nothing but give them way to connect the dots they want to connect. You want to increase your chances of getting out, stay quite until you can talk to an actual lawyer. the whole legal system is at time like a over complicated game of gotcha.
1 like@Viktor Zenelaj If the investigator has evidence that shows your guilt, you'd have to give them some new evidence that proves your innocence. Your word gives them leads that they can investigate which may prove your innocence.
0 likes@Bear Marco that's, unfortunately, not how it works. without a lawyer its super easy to accidently dig your own grave rather than dig your way out. You wanna give them other evidence? do it through a lawyer.
0 likesDon't buses have cameras in Canada?
0 likesaaaaaaaaand DEMOTION. WITHOUT PAY.
0 likes@Bear Marco That’s why you get a lawyer to do the talking for you. They aren’t there to help you they are there to get a confession
1 like@Bear Marco That’s literally what the second guy did. He gave them an alibi and even gave a witness (his mother) yet was still imprisoned for 2 years. You’re talking like someone who doesn’t actually know how any of this works.
0 likes@Unregistered HyperCam 2 This is 100% correct. There are countless videos of police officers saying this themselves. There are examples of people saying something genuinely harmless that somehow comes back to hurt them in the end, even though they originally seemed ENTIRELY unrelated. Do not say a fucking thing. Do not give some obvious reason why you can't be at fault. Identify yourself and shut the fuck up. Talking will ABSOLUTELY NEVER HELP YOU. There is NEVER A TIME will it will help you. Shut up and get your lawyer. If you're detained, the cop is not your friend and he is not there to help you, and in his mind his goal is most likely to get you for whatever charge at any cost.
1 likeI love your profile picture, where can i find the source?
0 likes@CLXXXVII i found it randomly when searching for wallpapers so i dont know the source but i can send the image to you
0 likesSuch bullshit and I'm sick of it!
0 likes@Squidwart Thats simply not true. The average investigator wants the correct person and a good prosecutable case.
0 likes@Yassin as someone involved in law enforcement I can say YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT>
0 likes@Bear Marco No legal expert advises speaking to the police. Nothing the police say can be used against them, everything you say can be used against you. Ask the police if you are being detained, if yes, notify them you will invoke your 5th amendment right to remain silent. If you are arrested request to speak with an attorney. Nothing you say to the police will help you.
0 likesACAB
0 likesHow in the hell did this guy get this job? Ohhhh Canada
0 likesJCS if you can see this I support all of your content! It’s unfortunate that YouTube keeps taking your videos down but hopefully everything works out in the end. I binge watch all of your videos & we hope that there’s more to come!
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I'm trying to piece together what happened by checking these recent comments... I noticed the last few videos are gone. What's going on?? Just getting some kind of violation strikes against his stuff?
3 likesIs this the crackdown from the more powerful YouTuber’s people been talking about?
2 likes@xocomaox
1 likeexpos1ng and showing tricks the police use, and making the common man more aware
@Sample Text I doubt this
0 likes@xocomaox
0 likesyea maybe, but making common people more aware and knowing is not something corpos would want
Since this is JCS's earliest video since all of their other videos got taken down for literally no reason. I just want to say that if you switch to a different platform, I will follow just to watch your videos. Love this channel.
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2 likesYoutube will be dead to the poeple who used youtube for these channles. Some other site will come up thats stable, no id needed and isn't soft porn
2 likes@Honest Rat ?
0 likesI love your videos is saddens me that YouTube is doing this to all these channels. I really hope you guys can make it through! Much love and appreciation for all the work you put into these ❤️
14 likesWhen I was 15, my bike was stolen. My parents had me report it and they brought me down the station to go over all the details. The cops brought me into a little room and they convinced me that someone didn’t steal the bike, but in fact I stole someone’s bike. Since they couldn’t find the bike I stole they charged me $250 for some kids bike that I apparently stole.
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That kid's name? Einstein, and the entire police station clapped.
5 likesI'm really sorry that happened to you, dude.
13 likespulled an uno reverse card
3 likesWhy did your parents let them interrogate you like that?
3 likes@T.C. B its fake dude.
6 likes@T.C. B they didnt want to bring me in the first place (didnt have the best parents), but when they seen how upset i was and making a "big deal" about it, they only dropped me off and i went in alone. Obviously they fought the accusation, but in the end, the cops still did what they did.
4 likesTo this day, i never talk to cops, even when they pull me over, i just hand over my information and tell them "i dont answer any questions" it works even better when you tell them they are being recorded
Man where are you guys at I've been waiting for you to make some new videos you guys are by far my favorite channel the way things are explained the narrators voice and how you make your videos is absolutely impeccable I always check to see if there's a new one but there never is please come back you guys rock and roll
0 likesI really hope you guys can get through this bullshit.
20 likesWhat a decent human being the accused was and such patience- far stronger than I could have been
2 likesI can't explain in words what a joyful experience it was to hear the conclusion.
2 likesThat cop who kidnapped tried to throw that man in jail should be locked up for life for what he did. If he's willing to do it once he'll do it again, he can never be trusted again and the fact they kept him on the force goes to show you how bad things really are.
3 likesIt’s unfortunate but the old motto of “innocent until proven guilty” seems like it was always a lie. I feel like it’s “guilty until proven innocent”. It really makes you think of all the innocents in jail while the real culprit is still walking around out there.
3 likesThe saddest thing is that these officers have a goal when they do these interrogations and that goal is to get the answer to what happened, confirm a confession or evidence and then close the case. Some officers care, I want to say most do, but there are also a handful of officers that are just looking for the easiest answer, regardless of the consequences for the falsely accused.
It's common for someone who knows they haven't committed the crime to mistakenly waive their rights, falsely assuming they can simply explain their innocence.
1 likeThe truth is just the opposite. I think you're foolish to subject yourself to a trained interrogator without having a lawyer explain the situation. Anyone with doubts should look into the "Norfolk Four" case!
Innocent people being interviewed by detectives is maybe even more interesting than guilty people being interviewed
6 likesDamn how ironic, YouTube really taking down all your videos - truly guilty until proven innocent. What a shame.
12 likesQuestion for the OG patreons. JCS once did a video where a guy was taken in for questioning, he was a suspect for his girlfriends death. However no one seemed to be noticing he had a bullet in his head, and he was clearly deteriorating and I'm pretty sure he told them he had been shot. I can't find the name of this guy, anywhere. Could someone let me know please?
0 likesYou're still missing a few vids but congrats on getting back what you did. ♥️
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@Ethan JCS posted a video yesterday/earlier today saying that YouTube had removed a ton of his videos for no apparent reason. He also had a Tweet up and was asking for people to retweet it.
0 likesJim, I promise that if you move to posting else where, even if I have to pay, I'll follow you man. Can't get content like this anywhere else
2 likesTelling the TRUTH seems to be the EXACT reason this wonderful channel has now been targeted to be violated by YouTube! The same unfair, inhumane and capitalistic treatment these cops gave those innocent men. This sh has got to stop 😒
1 likeGuy had the patience of a saint, glad he got his vindication.
1 likeMike was cool, calm and controlled. This is how you react when you are innocent. You know for a fact that something is not right and you know your position in interrogation so you just play with the detective cause you know the truth will come out.
3 likesThis should always be your reply when under arrest and being questioned.Lawyer! The detectives are not there to help you,no matter what you ssy.Never give up your right to remain silent.Lawyer up.
0 likesEven in Canada??? Man, we just can’t catch a break! The lady of justice may as well remove the blindfold!🤦🏽♂️
2 likesBeen in that same position accused of a burglary that I knew nothing about and I wasn't calm then the police said we know your guilty your protesting to much which pissed me off big time .I was 14 years old I had delivered a news paper to the premises that had been robbed that's it I screamed shouted the police shouted at me calling me a liar it's made me hate the police I was just doing my paper round
0 likesOmg i wanted to punch the cop that was claiming he had false "evidence".... that man deserves some type of award for keeping his cool.
0 likes"The interrogating officer and 3 other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay" - Well done! Sadly, much harder to happen in the US. You need 5 bodycam videos, 20 witnesses and 3 months of media coverage to get anything done in the name of justice around here...
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Not even...they had all that for Kyle Rittenhouse. Witness testimony, camera footage, physical evidence, the whole 9...
0 likesAnd people still wanna throw his ass in jail.
@Collin Specht And I fully support that - I don't believe people like him have part in society. The death of people stemmed directly from his poor decision-making and upbringing, that transformed him into a spoiled brat-vigilante. No decent or intelligent person want anyone like this roaming the streets playing 'cops' or 'military'...Laws are often unjust and that decision, although lawful, was in fact not justice.
0 likesThat second guy is exactly how I would have reacted in the same situation... I feel for him
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black dude learned long ago he can't afford to react like the white bearded dude. Different skin color, different rules.
1 like“guilty until proven innocent”
5 likesace attorney moment
My guy's Canadian. That's why he even thanked the detective 🇨🇦🍁. Great content btw, covering both side of the spectrum.
0 likesthe end of the video made me so happy... that 46k was well justified... for me the demotions did not go far enough, they should have been fired.
1 likeWhen something like this happens the arresting officers the judge the prosecutor's all of them should have to go spend the same amount of time in jail as the falsely accused and imprisoned and that'll stop this s*** right away
0 likesOne of the best channels out there. Eagerly waiting for more uploads
0 likesI really hate prosecutors that just wanna make a career, instead of really trying to find out if someone is guilty or not, i think that prosecutor doesnt even care if he is innocent or not.
1 likeI'll miss your channel JCS, yet another case of YouTube being unfair, again.
2 likesI've been falsely accused twice. It's a weird feeling..
0 likesAlways ask for a lawyer even if you are 100% innocent and have no idea why they are questioning you. Always lawyer up. These people will completely screw you.
0 likes"The truth of the events are paramount."
1 like-- Cop bullshitting a conviction
I’m sorry if this is a reoccurring question, however Id love to know who is behind the commentaries. What I’m wondering is what kind of education is behind the analysis and commants
0 likesThank you 🙏
"we have multiple witnesses and have you on video.... but I still need you to confess"... what a clown
0 likesThis whole inveatigative process is so wrong and obviously balanced in the prosecutor's favor. I don't doubt that's why this is the last video this channel has uploaded in a year.
0 likesThat girl who lied on the stand should do time at least two years or more.
0 likes12:23 - "I guess, I have no choice but to get a lawyer then if this is the kind of thing you're gonna go through"
0 likesJCS gets harassed by vague YouTube policies every few months.... keep an eye on his twitter and go from there.
5 likesCould be a full platform switch, a return to the good videos that YouTube doesn't like being patreon exclusives ($1 a month), or everything gets reuploaded....
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That’s why his vids are gone
1 likeAre police allowed to lie to see how they react?
0 likesMichael is far more calm and cooperative than I would be.
0 likesImagine a time where Millions of Dead Cops is not just an amazing band.
0 likesDamn all the videos I saved to watch are gone. Depressing. F-ing YouTube. JCS is the foundation of psychological analysis.
5 likesHey I really hope you are okay man your channel is amazing but I see you haven’t made a video in over a year.
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He actually has but YouTube took them down. He made some like few months ago
3 likesNice video! Keep it up buddy!
0 likesLook at how perfect that street light is I would’ve let him go off that alone that’s impressive
0 likesPlease tell me that investigator lost his job. Shameful
0 likesGotta love those cops.
0 likesAre you okay haven’t heard from you hope all is well
1 likeIs it illegal for police in an interrogation to lie in order to produce a confession?
0 likesWhat happened to the other videos? The pretending to be crazy, Christmas, and smollett ones are gone, and that's just what I know offhand.
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I have the exact same question?
1 likeWas it taken down by youtube or our boy is in some legal trouble?
Wait, I'm pretty sure there was more footage in this video in the past. What the f? Am I tripping?
2 likesIt should be illegal for police to lie no matter what the charge is even if its murder they should not be able to try and scare someone into a confession so many innocent people are in prison today be cause of cops lies if a cop lies to someone like he did on the vid they will do it without thinking about it on paper with and around other cops who are corrupt!!!
0 likesHim using large words and saying smart things
0 likesMe: ah yes, I totally understand this.
YouTube, stop fucking with this channels and bring the videos back.
15 likesI can't figure out why michael didn't get a promise to appear in court
0 likesVERY satisfying ending, wish he got more than 46.000$ and that the detective was fired completely (he was demoted and suspended without pay)
0 likesPLEASE post your videos on a different site!
6 likesI hope "candy" goes to jail for at least 5 years
1 likeThat investigator mad me so fucking angry.. Michael stayed so calm and collected, but I would’ve flipped my shit. That’s bullshit. The ending was like a reward tho.. I’ve never been more mad watching interrogations.
0 likesThat last guy. I mean both were panicked. I’m so glad the last guy got some cheese out of it!
0 likesMore videos please...
1 likeWtf? why did JCS remove his more recent videos?
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i think youtube may have
2 likesThought I was losing it. Many videos have been removed, including his most viral one. :(
1 likeWow! The verdict is so satisfying
0 likesif you guys want to watch the new videos a lot of streamers did reactions to them, like xqc for example. any blood or violence isn't shown tho but everything else is the same along with the commentary of course
0 likesIs this channel no longer active? I just found this and watched every clip in 1 day.
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0 likes@RB 😭😭😭😭😭🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😖😖😖😖
1 likeI walked in on my wife and her co worker in my bed one day and I turned around and left my house filed for divorce the next morning then another day later was falsely accused of abuse,immediately lost all of my rights lost my 2 year old son and wasn't allowed to go to my house to get my clothes or tools for work,then got fired from my job had to sell my truck (which I was living out of)to hire an attorney,judge ordered my attorney to pay my retainer fee to my ex wife's attorney,I tried to get a public defender but was denied because my ex filed bankruptcy and used a public defender so was told it was a conflict of interest,so I'm trying to defend myself and was ordered to pay her attorney 8 grand within 8 days and if I didn't I go to jail for contempt,the 8th day I still didn't have 8 grand and my 80 year old grandparents came with me to provide my transportation,the judge told my grandparents that they must pay the 8 grand or I will go to jail I said no I'll just go to jail because that is 100% extortion,my grandparents ended up paying it,this went on for 5 years then I was finally able to get my divorce and start seeing my son again which was now 7 years old(I hadn't even been allowed to call him) for 4 hours one day a every 2 weeks,I still can't get my rights back and never once got a chance to defend myself,she moved to a different state and I pay her $1,200 monthly and can't get any type of licenses or permits issued by the state and I have my son about 75% of the time I buy him everything that he needs to have a normal life and do all his school things with him and help him with his homework even over the phone when she has him,illinois family court is ONLY good for trying to destroy the relationship between fathers and their child I've had to give up everything i owned and alot of my rights just to get to see my son and I would do it again if I have to,my life is difficult but all I need to be happy is my son
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Holy shit soŕry to hear that
0 likeslitteraly one of the main reasons why I won't live in US
1 likethe inspector/detective was racially motivated fr🤣
0 likes'I need to know what kinda guy you are so I can destroy you"
0 likesAsk my attorney, needled*ck
This is great, but where did "What pretending to be crazy looks like" go? I loved it
5 likesI would do (almost) anything for them to upload again
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You haven’t haven’t heard of what happened?
2 likes@That one dude •-•
2 likesBruh how you just gonna ask and not explain
@N00BOOB they’ve been taking down videos and demonetizing the channel
1 like@laurie awesomeness why?
1 like@laurie awesomeness was it even monetised? I don't remember any ads playing 🤔
1 like@xocomaox it was monetized before but now they’re getting screwed over. They have a second channel called J C S where they put up funny videos explaining what happened
1 like@laurie awesomeness thanks!
0 likesOk ok, it's difficult to watch the whole video...could someone pop-in in the middle of the interview and say gotcha "candid camera" !!
0 likesWow what a horrible investigator. Was he fired permanently?
0 likesI would title this video- Justice Served.
0 likesYouTube!! Stop deleting or messing with JCS videos!!! 🛑
8 likesThat ending was satisfying.
0 likesOdd question. Does this guy on this channel also voice the videos in the Baby Games app? If not, he has a voice doppelganger.
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His name is Kizzume. He's a voice actor. It's possible.
0 likesWhy are they taking all of the JCS videos down?! 😱
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YouTube took them down
1 likeTheir job is to put you in jail! They call them pigs for a reason!
0 likesDeport that investigator back to Australia.
1 likeI don’t think buddy had any evidence
0 likesThe videos are coming back!!! Yay!
0 likesSad that the case of Chris Watts taken down.
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That series is one of the best..
1 likewhaaaaaaat demoted and suspended without pay? That'd never happen in good ol usa
0 likesHey? Can you start making regular uploads 😢❤️
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Right now YouTube is taking down all of their videos
5 likes@laurie awesomeness I thought something was up! That’s real unfair, this channel started it all
3 likesWhat a pity YouTube closed this channel down with spurious 'guidelines' objections...
1 likeI am only 5 mins in and am hoping this US citizen who happens to be black sues this P D for millions. And the Police are not your friend, you are just an item on a production line to be processed. If the item is assembled incorrectly, that is someone else's problem.
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he got some money and the police (multiple officers let this happen!) got demoted. I hope they learned something from it….
0 likesWe need more videos :((
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Read the community post
0 likeswait, what happened to the last video?? I was saving it to watch later :(
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Youtube is mad
0 likesThe "black guy" is not that "black", he is a double-half-cast guy (his black part is just 25% or lower) so he could potentially be taken in as a "white guy" as well. It is not a race thingie here. What is the most problematic is that he was just walking by and was arrested without the slightest evidence he was linked to the crime. Said this, given his arrest, in the interrogation all they had to do is to check a couple of details, verify them and they would find out instantly that the guy is unrelated and they just lose their time. For some reason they insisted he had to be the one, which just shows lack of professionalism.
0 likesThe second case with the ginger guy is more troublesome since the alledged victim named him as the culprit and as such police is forced to take him in for a thorough interrogation. it is heartbreaking to see an innocent man like him being judged, even more so, when in his youth he was indeed an outlaw and did some time in prison as well. The man was trying to clear his act and work his ass off to survive only to be wrongfully accused of something he did not do. Despicable. Liars who accuse innocent people have to be severely punished.
The police is not your friend, people seem to forget that.
0 likesCuts DEEP 😔
0 likesFuck YouTube!!!! You were the best, man.
3 likesHuh.. so a happy ending.
0 likesBoy that detective really shouldn't be a detective. He wasn't even doing his job....didn't even ask him any questions.
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He did ask him a few questions the video skips through like where he was right before the arrest. The problem is the officer didn't follow through on any investigation and it took another investigator to step in and fact check everything that was said 3 days later. If this officer had actually looked into it, he would have seen they were wrong and Michael could have maybe gotten out by the end of the day.
104 likes@cirmothe9 not an officer, he is a detective. Different position. Idk if that matters in this case but in this comment section I've seen a lot of acab bs being thrown at actual police officers just doing there job when it should be aimed at the shitty justice system period. Not the officers who just make sure the suspects get into question.
3 likes@Killer Macchiato The entire process was done completely poorly. From the individual officers to the detective to the justice system. The 911 description was entirely different to suspect and was ignored by the officers and was not checked by the detective. That’s not the justice systems fault. That’s complete negligence by the cops. I get that some cops are good but there are so many examples of them just doing a shit job time after time and it’s the entire crew not just one cop
38 likesEdgar Haro this guy is just in denial at the common investigative ability’s of police
1 likeI may have the hardest detective work of all tbh.
0 likes@Pun detective hah
0 likes@Sue Lyons I wouldn't say the cops did
1 likeMore a defective :D
0 likes@Sue Lyons not just anyone can become a police officer. though you are correct they are lazy and now even more so, due to it no longer being a government run business. however, the police do not make the rules, only enforce them. Saying every police officer is evil or dumb, is naive, and the equivalent of saying every teacher is just in it for the money.
1 like@Sue Lyons reform the police, not defund it man. By defunding them you will just give them more excuses to do a shitty job.
1 like@Edgar Haro Lmao @Killer Macciato been real silent since this was posted, get served
0 likes@Killer Macchiato actually no, plenty of officers and medical personnel were charged in the Nuremberg trials for saying they were 'just doing their job' that bollocks doesn't wash.
0 likes"im not even going to ask if you did it because its obvious you did." * a few moments later* "im gonna look into this and verify it's the truth"... hmmm. ok dude. GTFO.
2 likes@Mihajlo Dragić You don't understand what defund the police means. Perhaps you should look it up.
0 likes@Pun detective Clearly....English is not your first language or you can't read. I said "a lot". I never said "every". Read before you post. Reading for comprehension is a thing. Look it up.
0 likesWhat happened to Michael Dixon is so freaking infuriating. The detective should've lost not only his rank, but any sort detective position period. Since he completely disregarded the suspect's description relayed through dispatch. And instead arrests a man who's description is 100% contradictory to the one given. If you're willing to flout your responsibility to that extent then you don't deserve to have it. Call it an honest mistake, but innocent people are punished far more the detective's mistakes than the detectives themselves. It's absolutely insulting.
133 likesThe white guy with the beard Was the definition of how an innocent person would act. Frustrated confident and angry.
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@Tanaphar Plus Masks
41 likesI think it's just bad practice to make assumptions like that. It should all be down to evidence.
@Tanaphar Plus Masks I got interrogated today due to a possible crime taking place... I was seriously getting the vibes from the investigator that he thinks I'm guilty and I got angry and frustrated
12 likes@Tanaphar Plus Masks innocent jesus
1 like@Tanaphar Plus Masks it took 4 and a half hours of my job time on a saturday to sunday night, and I am a taxi driver. Got fuck all out of that money
4 likesI got interrogated when in High School because someone called with a bomb threat, I was skipping class at the time of the call and came back later (I used to skip classes to smoke, not my proudest moment, I know) and I was so scared that all I told myself was to remain calm and try to be reasonable, I was in the wrong because I was skipping class and I knew that if they decided to check my backpack they would find a little bit of weed and my pack of cigarettes. I was sure something was about to happen but I just didn’t know how to react, I was scared to end up in jail for possession of drugs.
20 likesMy principal was the one that saved me, she said she saw me outside smoking a cigarette and told me to come back in to have a talk with her, at which point I felt relieved.
I don’t know what could’ve happened if she didn’t actually see me at that moment, I don’t know what would’ve happened, I don’t think I had the “right” body language at all yet I was innocent of the things they were accusing me for.
@Mislav Horvat the store i managed was robbed at gunpoint. I was suspect #1 and interrogated. I was also the one who had the gun pointed at me and was robbed.
7 likesWhenever my mom thought I lied or did something bad she'd tell me I was lying or I did whatever she thought I did, and when I would get frustrated and angry and defend myself, she'd use my emotions as "proof" that I did whatever she thought I did.
20 likesFelt awful being called a liar and then having no way to defend myself.
To me he acted like a typical criminal. But I guess that's because he was an actual criminal who spent time in prison
2 likesidk y but I just wanna give him a hug
1 likeNo, in some cases not. I would be afraid, worried and super nervous. I hate going to doctors, interwievs, my boss etc, and if the police showed up I would be scared,even if I didn't do anything wrong. But that's me, I always been like this. Even if I know I AM in the right or innocent. I can't even convince my boss when I'm in the right. When the police came to ask me about something one day (I was the "victim") it was like this too. I hate it.
1 likeAn innocent person aware of the circumstances*
0 likesFrustration is understandable, but people will react differently, even if a majority react in a similar fashion.
0 likes@ben colbert because you were thought to be in ka-hoots. The fact that you were held at gunpoint doesn't mean you are automatically not guilty lol could have been a set up so that have to rule people out, not assume peoples' innocence.
0 likes@public defender a set up would really be the first to came in mind? How desperate the cops are making him the #1 suspect?
0 likes@bananian agreed
0 likesBecause he looks like me with a longer beard is the reason I’m watching this.
0 likesMakes me mad to hear how he served two years for a crime he didn't commit.
0 likes@Let Me Catch You Slippin ...wut.
0 likes@Red Hiding Hood i feel you may not have much in the way of first-hand experience with criminal people (or liars being confronted)
0 likesThere is no one way that people act. I get very nervous even when I'm not in any trouble. I don't act confident. Should I be presumed guilty, then? Part of the problem is that nobody is good at seeing if someone is lying. Everyone behaves differently.
0 likes@Dustin Mitchell you can get a baseline. My gut tells me his baseline says he’s guilty most of the time, just not this time.
0 likesConfidence can be imitated by a heightened mind, unfortunately being able to detect true confidence is not something you can imitate.
0 likesWell the black guy is also exactly how an innocent person would act like because he WAS innocent.
0 likes@Andrea well, that's a problem with all society. People forgot how to put themselves into other people's situation
0 likesThis is the Police ideology:
0 likes" As long as you are innocent we can turn you as criminal".
Youtube get your priorities straight! This man makes educational documentaries how could you just delete his videos without reason?
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You mean the channel which discusses murderers, rapists, school shooters and the like with no age restriction?
1 like@Solar Are you telling me you wouldn't mind a 12 year old finding this channel and watching all of the content? Nobody is saying it's not educational, I'm saying that is was probably taken down because it features very dark topics that are easily accessible to younger audiences
2 likes@CrazyDragy I never said YT wasn't lazy. But how many kids do you think will actually go to YouTube kids? A lot of them will just lie about their age
1 like@Chakra_SSE Parenting is not the internet's job. Also, age appropriate warnings or whatever don't need to be literal censorship.
33 likes@CrazyDragy Nobody said it should be censorship unless you're saying the age restriction feature is? Also the responsibility for protecting kids online is indeed on the parents. But your point would be akin to not helping someone who tripped because they look like they can handle it. Big surprise but people online are assholes, they don't mind messing with kids, and not all parents are prepared for the internet. But sure. Shall I send this video link to a group of 10 year old kids?
2 likes@Chakra_SSE This video is educational. It's not the same as pornography, that's still big in media, or gore.
19 likesI don't think most people have issues with simple age restrictions but Internet laws and codes of conduct are (based on) outdated real life ones and don't work well if at all for what they're meant to do. You brought it up first. As if youtube has a track of being sensical in enforcing their guidelines or making them clear, or just caring about the community in general.
@CrazyDragy Would you share this channel's most recent video to a 10 year old?
0 likes@Chakra_SSE Depends what was it I suppose. Depends on the 'child'.
9 likesNot everything is black and white. "Think of the children!" is a pretty stupid argument because they're always both coddled and neglected simultaneously, making me think that it's really not about them.
Still, we're starting to stray off topic. Did you mean that it's understandable why YT acts like that or championing such actions, since you deem them needed/appropriate?
@CrazyDragy No, I gave the reason why YT removed the video, I never said that it was the right decision. But in the end we are arguing about something ultimately meaningless in the end. Nobody had their mind or opinion changed, and nobody learned anything
0 likes@Chakra_SSE Oh okay. Was that the reason why though? (is it a fact or a theory?) With the level of YT "transparency" one might assume all they do is send a letter with "fuck you" written in it whenever they do anything.
7 likes@Chakra_SSE I wouldn't share anything on the YouTube kids app with a 10 year old, yet they actively promote that
4 likes@Chakra_SSE so basically the 24 hr news cycle?
2 likes@Crystal Comparing many news stations to a single entity, makes sense
0 likes@Chakra_SSE uhh.. I'm watching this with my 10 and 13 years old sisters for education
3 likes@Chakra_SSE YouTube is made for people 13 and older, if a kid under the age of 13 goes on YouTube and gets scared or whatever by the content they have just seen, then it’s their fault along with their parents for not monitoring their child’s behavior. And another thing they can do is simply not watch the video and move on with their day.
5 likesthe dective or whoever made the decision to keep this innocent man in jail, should be fired at the most, at he least be heavily considered for a demotion. had no proof this innocent man had any part of this crime. this is the power of the government superseeding the god given rights of an individual. this is horrifying and horrible at the same time
1 likeWait what happened to JCS video that came out a week ago? The crazy guy that freaks out because his wife left him?
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youtube removed a bunch
1 likeWhy have your 2 most recent Videos been taken down? They were among the best. Please try to reupload them
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YouTube has been messing with them
5 likesMichael appears to be a lovely person. I’m struggling to understand how that investigator felt justified going down the path he went. What a jerk.
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Well...racism, he saw a black man in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and lied his way into trying him to get him admit to something he didn't do. Considering how calm Michael is, it's probably not his first time dealing with people accusing him of things he didn't do.
89 likes@MC Mc I know it’s just horrible to see racism in action and so blatantly.
22 likes@MC Mc yes, I feel there was an element of racism. I'm not woke or a race activist, just an ordinary person. I also feel that the interviewing officer was really lazy and unprofessional.
19 likes@MC Mc Yeah. He was very calm because he has some faith in the police. A testimony to him having never dealt with police before!!!!
5 likes@jeremy bevan true, it goes way beyond racism.
0 likesCalling him a jerk is an understatement. His reason was most likely racism, which made me curious about the interrogator's accent.
5 likesHe got demoted.
0 likes@Just Endah Sounds to me like a general midlands English accent, sounds from the Americanisms that the guy has been living in the states for a while.
0 likesI know, I just wanted to give that guy a hug or something.
0 likes@Briefträger Pat This case was in Canada, not the US.
0 likes@Randy Fortier all sounds the same to me
0 likesBlack.
0 likes@Feight Hotep it’s prob because no one was talking about the 2nd part?
0 likes@PersonWhoHatchesEggs very selective attention.
0 likesWhy are all the JCS videos getting taken down? Even the Jodi Arias video got nuked.
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YouTube policy horseshit
5 likesThe guy is getting thrown to jail and acts like he got his order wrong at a restaurant.
4580 likes"Okay well... thank you"
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Is that edward in your Profil pic?
10 likes@ByRoow yes
7 likesBecause he had faith in the competence of people of authority and the system. He thought that eventually the truth would be revealed.
143 likes@Commander Kei The truth was revealed "eventually". He just had to suffer in the system in the mean time.
69 likesAs someone with social anxiety, his entire demeanor reminds me a lot of myself.
44 likesIt's understandable that he'd be mad and outraged at the situation he was in, but he just happens to react more calmly, which isn't that surprising to me. Canadians also tend to have more trust in their legal system I believe.
18 likesIdk what you mean, I’ve gotten so much shit for not having sauce, this guy’s a saint
7 likes@xTHEARBITER117 I guess Canadians really are different from Americans then
5 likesThe police are NOT your friends.
19 likesthis is why you should always get a lawyer
5 likes@Justice Gusting The ones in my town are. Nicest people I’ve ever met!
2 likesGlad he got $46k for the inconvenience
8 likes@Your Healthy Food Uk 46k? Shit that's not nearly enough, but at least it's something.
6 likes@Nathan0536 That's the thing people have a hard time understanding (and for good reason)... there ARE cops that are good, honest, helping people who are great at their jobs. It sucks that so many of them get the job for the wrong reasons, being anything other than to be of good service to every citizen.
1 likeim introverted and that’s exactly how i act in those situations too.
3 likesI believe if i’m innocent people will eventually know i’m innocent, so it’s honestly just funny when i’m accused of something i didn’t do 💯
@Thunderstyle are you good? i would gladly go through all that for 46k
1 like@Saif You are right from a personal point of view... with the duration of it all that's a good sum to get, easy money, but it's not really setting an example for future cases.
3 likesIt's about setting an example. Build a case properly instead of pulling this shit. We have an incredibly high conviction rate here in Estonia, similar to Japan, but the prosecution always builds their case up beforehand if it's a criminal offense. Granted... wrongful convictions still happen, but very rarely and news spread fast here.
Meanwhile you aren't penalized constantly for the most mundane of offenses other than parking tickets. Shit... we have it good here. Then again we don't have as many issues here with minor nor criminal offenders.
lol. That was beyond any kind of control I could ever dream of having. This guy was calm through the whole entire ordeal. Something I could have never done.
1 likeHe was polite because he was frightened by the police and the situation.
1 like@Saif this happens to you? Tell us a story
0 likes@Ashley Aubel anytime i get accused of something i didn’t do. Cant think of a specific example rn lol
0 likeswhat can u even do at that moment
0 likesWhere are your other videos???? You have gained a Patreon subscriber here.
4 likesThere's only 2 situations when you need a lawyer if you're being "interviewed" by law enforcement: when you're guilty and when you're innocent.
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Right?!
1 likeand if you're an amnesiac?
0 likesSo that rules out applying for a job with the police
0 likeswHy wOuLd YoU nEeD a LaWyEr iF yOuR nOt GuIlTy?
1 likeCDSAfghan *yOu’Re
3 likesdoes asking for a lawyer when you’re innocent ”look bad” for you in terms of it making you look more guilty and be a reason for a conviction?
0 likesErnest Crunkleton i’m not from the us and our legal system fortunately isn’t politicized in the way it is in the states so i think you generally have more rights and are more respected here.
1 likeNever talk to the cops. Just remain silent except to ask for a lawyer. Even if you are 100% innocent, they will use your truths against you in court. It's illegal to use something you said during the arrest or interrogation in your defense, so there's literally no good reason to say or do anything.
1 like"You can't talk your way out of getting arrested."
1 like- Regent Law Professor James Duane
Always ask for a lawyer and then shut your mouth. Anything you say can only ever be used against you - never for you, because that is considered hearsay.
matt THEY WERE JOKING. how did that fly over your head?
1 likeThis are definitely more rights to be violated in the US. Which is why we hear so much about it. Thank God we live in the West. In most eastern countries the conviction rate is over 99%. There, you are guilty if the govt defines you as such. We are lucky.
1 like@matt protip: when someone writes lIkE tHiS, or ends with /s they're expressing sarcasm, or oft-quoted nonsense
0 likesmatt yeah you know, that murder quota
1 like@matt haha well that's why I gave you a protip. Protip=how the professionals do it. For example you could have written CoMe On mAn at the end in reference to Biden's hand wave expression to level up your internets to 100!
0 likes@CDSAfghan The way you are typing, mixing lower and upper case letters I guess you need a lawyer every moment in your life just to guide you on what to do and what not to do.
0 likes@TheMusesOrg Correct.
1 likeWe miss you, Jim!
2 likes“Why did you do it?”
2310 likes“I didn’t do it.”
“Well whether you did or not isn’t up for discussion.”
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honestly mom logic
311 likes@Dark Ink Women logic
75 likes@Zaraza bruh its a male detective who tf are you anyway
204 likes@Zaraza did you actually understand what you were watching? No? Didn’t think so.
46 likeswhen did he say that? I just heard oinking the entire time...
49 likes@TheRadiantSoap clever
10 likes@TheRadiantSoap LOL
6 likesGreat. Let's end this 'discussion'.
2 likes@boom bap represent oof. I can hear the last two of your braincells rattling from here.
37 likes@boom bap represent do you have some weird obsession with womens periods? Its verging on creepy my dude. Its obvious you're not an adult, so run along.
43 likes@Saint-Izawa 伊澤 triggered
0 likes@boom bap represent
31 likesplease try harder other than "triggered", thats just embarrassing.
find something else to try and shock w/ people with cause this aint it chief. Oof.
@Saint-Izawa 伊澤 ok calm down before you ran out of blood. Stop raising your heartrate before you have no more blood to loose
0 likes@boom bap represent
24 likesYou dont loose blood with an increased heart rate....
@Saint-Izawa 伊澤 you obviously do
0 likes@boom bap represent So people cant feel angry unless they are on their period? Ok. (also they weren't even that angry sounding lmao)
14 likes@beff you have your blood days too huh
0 likes@boom bap represent By how many times you've talked about periods im just gonna assume that you are actually the one that has it and are just trying to push it on everyone you see.
16 likes@beff whatever makes you feel special sweety
0 likes@boom bap represent Aww thanks
4 likes@boom bap represent sounds like someone's having their time of the month. Poor dear. Get yourself a heat pack and curl up with a good book.
10 likes@boom bap represent dead fish don't bleed since they are dead. Sounds like your blood loss is making you light headed, have you considered an iron infusion?
16 likesIsn't it what determines the verdict tho...? Lik🤦🏽🤣🤣
0 likes@boom bap represent Big "rekt feminist" vibes from this one
7 likes@boom bap represent the trolling started out funny, but just asking everyone if they're on their period is definitely more annoying than anything.
10 likes@Dago Esquer their comments gave it away that it’s some incel looking for attention. Poor thing probably has hate written all over them. Awful way to live your life tbh.
11 likes@boom bap represent If anything, it’s you who looks to be triggered. Not sure what’s going on your head but we all know for sure it’s not thinking at all given how you keep responding with the same thing. You should probably get some help buddy. Awful way to live with hate constantly in your mind.
6 likes@Diego Luna yeah dude, hes just a sad person with a sad life, which is why theres no reason to reply to him. Thats what he wants, its just a troll/incel being edgy and looking for attention. Anyway have a good one 🤙
7 likes@boom bap represent you poor thing. I hope you get help.
1 likeLogic also of the WA ANG corrupt leadership.
0 likes@jabba0975 jj no
0 likes@Saint-Izawa 伊澤 well its kinda common sense, if your heart beats faster, its pumping blood faster, which then means more blood would come out of a wound or something
0 likes@ur babie hes not wrong tho
0 likes@boom bap represent no u
1 like@boom bap represent damn, you know a lot of information regarding feminine products, you shop for them yourself?
3 likes@boom bap represent I hope you're having fun lmao
0 likes@Darrias karens are triggered
0 likes@boom bap represent Hehehe
0 likes@boom bap represent pathetic.
0 likesCatch 22 all over it!
0 likes@Rich. imagine bleeding so much that you start arguing on the internet
0 likesI was curious and looked into Medikamenten-kind, a little. Their channel description states- “ let’s see some bitches get fucked up”. They keep relating back to women’s periods and how everyone here seems to have it. Along with how you’ll bleed out if your heart rate increases ( as if it explodes or gush’s out of you) and that any response to him is you being triggered. How they “love” to trigger Karen’s... Also have a feeling that don’t original speak English.
6 likesLooking up their name brings up, first clue. Their name could very well be German.
Running their name through google translate. It detects German automatically. Their name translates to “medication child”.
Continuing down this road, I get “various” results.. A website teaching how to medicate children. From Germany, or at least in German. I get another stating the best medicine for children. Also in German.
There appears to be no further attachment to this name or any that indicate, any other important search results.
So what that means is. Without me dedicating even more of my time to be weird, be bored and investigate some other arguable more weird, weirdo. And pulling from any given context.
Their an anti-feminist, possibly more. That hates women, has a weird love for periods, and incorrect facts about the human body. And love to trigger people over the internet. Harassing them, you could say. Doesn’t know how to medicate a child, or their child.
Maybe they are, the child?
They also claim it’s 2020, and how you don’t have to be an “emotional train wreck”. But they appear stuck in time, too about, 1940-ish.
* the more you know*
I know no one asked for an investigation, but I had to reel this back into the context of the video, right? This could also just be the smartass in me coming out or something. Figured I’d just throw this comment out there regardless. Didn’t do all that work for nothing, did I?
@2014 joegamer seek some help
1 like@boom bap represent I need help, for spotting a seemingly toxic person over the internet. Seeing the comments they have left, and then deciding that at 12pm, going into 1am. That I was bored enough to be curious and search their name. Then report my findings to no one in particular?
0 likesThat, as if you care or would disprove. Given your actions so far.
Were more predictions then factual statements. Based off of what I could dig up, using solely your name. Which any random person could do.
@Delusion2 I’m not sure if I quite figured out your comment ( now I think I have after reading it back a few more times). But based off the last part. Same?
1 likeIm still recovering from the hit points it took to write out what I did, at such a late hour.
I rewrote it, and Changed my approach in how to respond to him a few times before finally sending my “rough draft”.
Guess I’m finally deciding to try and leave comments on things. Instead of just watching, liking, and moving on?
And ontop of that “provoke” medikind, specifically for some reason? Idk. Think to sum up what I’m doing that at least. I’ll simply, quote something.
“Why does anyone do anything? sheer..absolute.. boredom.”
@2014 joegamer didnt even read it. You need help. You need a life and you habe too much time on your hands.
0 likes@boom bap represent Figured you didn’t. Pretty sure you’ve been reacting this whole time. To get a further reaction from other people. And that whole “ you have too much time on your hands or don’t have a life” , doesn’t really work in most cases.
0 likesIt’s more about how you manage your time and what you do with it, rather then “you are lazy and don’t do anything with it, So you have plenty of time for silly activities”. Which your giving as an excuse so you don’t actually have to attempt to further justify yourself or your actions. Just sticking to one liners or single sentences. That you can easily spit out, in a moments notice. If I’m wrong about anything. Please by all means debate it. Unlike you with everyone else who disagrees with you. I’d be happy to hear you out
@2014 joegamer dude lmfao stop writing books and do something useful with your time. Lmao
0 likes@boom bap represent again another excuse so that you don’t have to apply much effort. Again, is anything I have said wrong. Or can you simply not disprove it?
0 likes@boom bap represent If you can take the time to sit around and wait for people’s @‘s to you, but not form more then a few belittling words. Then why are you here?
0 likes@boom bap represent Is it to Harass anyone who you believe to be a feminist at a few seconds of a glance at their response? Do you enjoy upsetting others?
1 like@boom bap represent Are these similar to length sentences to your own responses. Still to much for you to handle?
1 like@boom bap represent Also, care to explain why someone questioning you needs a therapist? Or anything else for that matter. Why you seem to know so much about periods maybe?
1 like@boom bap represent Oh come now. You responded within less the three minutes of the first one. Are you really gonna waste that time you spent replying to me, now? Surely not. You yourself said “ you have to much time on your hands, get a life”. You clearly don’t understand your own complaint if your gonna freely waste your time like that.
1 like@boom bap represent I know Germany is pretty far away. But you seem to get notified pretty quickly. And you seem to be able to grasp what I’m saying with at least some understanding without the use of a translator. I invite you to debate it with me. By all means. Use your next move. Don’t waste your time not doing it. That’d be a bad use of your life. Would it not?
1 likeRofl NOW you have an issue with "guilty until proven innocent", but when it's #MeToo it's completely fine
0 likes@Dago Esquer just keep replying by asking him if he has his period back, eventually he gives up.
0 likes@2014 joegamer it seems you won this one as @Medikamenten-Kind has deleted all his replies to you 🤣🤣🤣
0 likes@Saskia Scott no need to, its a waste of time and it only enables him, have a good one 🤙
0 likes@Saskia Scott Maybe he’s finally taking his own recommendations. Finally using his time better and seeking some help. Lol.
0 likesI wonder if videos like this are part of the reason why JCS is getting hit and losing videos.
0 likesI know that's some conspiracy theory shit, but wow.... Does "the man" just not like looking incompetent?
can someone tell me the name of that guy that kept saying "yes, no, I don't know" in one of the old videos?
0 likesSerious question, and one that should have come up immediately: if he just robbed a jewelry store, where are the jewels?
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Hiding things exist
42 likes@Bigboikilljoy they would have reviewed the scene where they caught him, because they think he just came out of the jewelry store he wouldnt have time to hide anywhere else other than directly outside of the alleyway exit
274 likes@No Thanks no time to chuck a bad of jewels somewhere nice and hidden
10 likes@Bigboikilljoy ...and then they would find it right there while checking the scene????
83 likes@Bigboikilljoy really? When they chased him out of the store and caught him in that very foot chase, as their story went, he was able to hide them without the cops seeing where? Genius assertion
114 likes*juul
1 likeprison wallet
5 likes@Adam Woolston The video did say the police lost sight of the man during the chase. Maybe he could have hidden the jewels in the same magical place he turned into a black man. 🤷🏽♀️
88 likes@Fancy KarlMarx Yes it is.
0 likesis it possible that he failed to rob the store and received no jewels?
0 likesor they found jewels anyways that the perpetrator dropped
He gave them to the small white guy
4 likes@Bigboikilljoy Ah yes, the jewels that could only have been hastily hidden in a matter of seconds before the cops turned the corner and saw the guy and therefore would have been in the immediate area and found within an hour of searching. Compelling argument.
1 likeWhen no jewels were recovered, I wonder what that could have meant for our definitely-small-and-white accused? 🤔
@Andrew LeBlanc sweet
0 likesJust off the bus too. No ticket or proof of purchase?
1 like@Gary Hyndman most people have a bus card. There is i no ticket stub.
1 likeFrom what I can tell, it was breaking and entering with attempt to rob, meaning the real criminal was unsuccessful.
0 likes@Fancy KarlMarx
0 likesNo electronic recognition of the card at all? Cops just need to look at your phone and they know where you've been and how many steps it took.
Facts
0 likes@Gary Hyndman It’s a bus pass, not a FitBit
1 like@Blue Owl
0 likesWhich backwater, third world country do you come from. The bus pass goes on a reader (to check validity) and beeps and your Google app shows where you've been.
@Gary Hyndman Okay, I think I misunderstood where you were going. I was under the impression that you believed scanning a bus pass would cause the phone to ping or something and start counting steps lol. Also, I thought you though that when police pinged cell phone locations, it will show specific details down to the footstep. Now that that is cleared, I still don’t think the police have access to the google location tracking because of its privacy policy. And lay it off with the anger. I was joking.
0 likes@Blue Owl
0 likesI wasn't angry and privacy about your whereabouts when your being accused of something you never did would go right out the window. Why wouldn't you allow access if you had nothing to hide?
@Gary Hyndman I supposed under those circumstances, then it would be possible. But, that also means that the phone isn’t ALL the police need to figure out your whereabouts to a T. They need your permission, you to use a location tracking app, and you also would have to allow location tracking at all times even outside of the app. I don’t have this on, but I guess the majority of people might?? Idk.
0 likesEdit: Also, if the phone is searched after the fact, do location tracking services even have a record of your movement from x time beforehand?
@Blue Owl
0 likesI think Google locations is pretty much a spy in your pocket. Like they say "everyone's wearing a wire now". The buses all have WiFi, nearly every business premises you enter or walk by wants you to give them a star rating or an assessment of some kind. It's almost impossible to give a false alibi so it should also work in your favour if you're innocent.
@Gary Hyndman Yeah, very true. Our personal data is probably being collected everyday no matter how much we may try to opt out of it.
0 likes@Blue Owl
0 likesVery true. The Chrome server on Android sells your info to marketing firms and sends you irritating and aggressive pop ups from "white listed" companies but the phone doesn't work so well without it. If you go into the settings it gives you a not so veiled threat telling you that your device may "misbehave" if you delete or disable the app.
@Gary Hyndman remember this is Canada. They literally only carry maple syrup with them.
0 likesReally? That’s genuine
0 likesand who the fck commits a robbery on his way to work...
0 likes@Adam Woolston never heard of an accomplice waiting in a car outside? Takes 5 seconds to hand it over.
0 likes@Derekif you have an accomplice waiting in a car, do you:
0 likesA. Give him the jewels and then continue to run away from the police on foot
B. Magically turn into a black man
C. Get on a bus to get away from police faster
or
D. Get IN the car
@Adam Woolston the answer is A.
0 likesOf course you don't approach the car and he is not sitting in it, that would be way 2obvious and dangerous to be caught.
He will be just like a pedestrian walking by and pick up the loot. Almost like a drug deal.
Of course you don't enter the car when you are being chased, you will never get away in a car chase.
@Gary Hyndman wait.. are you genuinely trying argue that this guy is actually the burglar?
0 likes@Fancy KarlMarx
0 likesNot at all. I was looking for ways to prove his innocence.
@Gary Hyndman my apologies.
0 likes@Derek you literally said in your previous comment that he’s waiting in a car, and now you’re saying you wouldn’t use a car but you’d walk by and do a handoff? Let me guess, if I tell you why that doesn’t work either, you’re gonna name another method and pretend that was your position all along too, right?
0 likesAfter this false accusation, I feel Michael should be allowed to rob a jewelry store.
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im afraid he is too polite for that
321 likesHe did get 50k as compensation. Thats pretty much a jewelry store xd
166 likes@Camilo Ordonez I'm afraid to say that might also just be a pair of expensive earrings or a watch. To think you'd get a jewelry store for 46k is an illusion.
56 likes@NotnaRed Depends on the store and what they're selling
15 likes@Katherine Pierce exactly
4 likes@NotnaRed eh, that depends on how much a fencer would pay you for the stolen goods, which would be below market value.
6 likes@NotnaRed i think a fast 50k while continuing normal life even if it feels like hell would be way better rather than whatever jewelry + 20 years in prison even if its a really normal prison
4 likeslook up double jeopardy he can legally rob a jewelry store
5 likes@NotnaRed to be fair diamonds are a plentiful resource that have no real value like things like gold do they're just worth a lot because idiots will pay a lot for them 🤷♂️
4 likesDon’t give him the time if you can’t give him the crime
2 likesHe can rob the police mans house on a time limit. Can make a game show and everything.
2 likesYes, he should be “allowed” to traumatise the people that work in the jewellery store. 🙄
1 like@Katherine Pierce you’re at the wrong store if they don’t have 50k worth of jewelry.
0 likes@Getgle it’s gotta be the same crime not 2 different crimes that are the same
1 likeNo should be allowed to take as much of the investigators pension as he wants.
0 likesXD
1 like😆🤣
1 likelmfaooo
0 likesDouble Jeopardy would apply in the USA. He could legally go and rob that jewelry store because he was convicted of it. Just like if you were wrongfully convicted of murdering someone who was alive, once you get out, you can legally murder that person without issues.
1 likeWtf
0 likes@DjGrimmace I hope you’re being sarcastic
0 likes@Katherine Pierce And cleaning the money would probably drop the price too
0 likesTwo rights don't make a wrong or something like that
0 likesFor heaven sake with this kind of mentality with that amount of likes no wonder the US Manny small innocent businesses are getting robe and burn down...
0 likes@Lament of False facade 2.0 Idk but you seem fully unaware of these guys are saying im guessing english isnt your first language?
0 likes@Lament of False facade 2.0 *robbed
0 likes@BOOMWIZARDYTYes English isn't my 1st or 2nd language.
0 likesI give up trying to explain why I detest the guy comment but because YouTube won't stop censoring my comment, I give up trying.
Just to be clear I've experience what Michael experience as a child in a 3rd world country.
You win YouTube.
At least this story had a happy ending.
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Hey, you're that person making rocket engines!
120 likesIt almost feels like a bit of a stroke of luck though. I wonder how many innocent people have been the victim of an unscrupulous investigator without the case being audited properly and just disappeared into the prison system :(
1400 likesImagine that, you're coming home from work one day, minding your own business and you just get disappeared by the supposedly impartial arbiters of the law. Scary.
@JN Yeah, unfortunately the guy who exploded into defensive emotion was convicted even though he was also innocent. Miscarriages of justice.
628 likes@JN America has the highest incarceration rate in the world by far and is obsessed with punishment. If you have a good enough lawyer/bribes you can get away with almost anything. If you are poor and a minority you are screwed. It’s not about innocence or guilt. It’s about money, ego, and who you know.
549 likesThink of all the stories that don't - like the guy who sat in prison for two years for no valid reason. Where is the DNA, fingerprints?
159 likesNothing happy about loosing 2 years of your life. Lielong damage. Worse than death itself.
174 likes@A. K. Nothing happy about losing 2 years of your life. YES! Lifelong damage. PROBABLY! Worse than death itself. NOT REALLY!
98 likesmost of them dont
3 likes@James White
38 likesIf being a "minority" has anything to do with this at all, then only that "minorities" are more likely to commit violent crime statistically. Look into official FBI statistics.
I don't know, the other guy got locked up for more than 2 years.
114 likesWouldn't call that a happy ending.
@Gyvulys Right, Minorities are just evil and being rich is a virtue. Such enlightened views!
106 likes@James White
26 likesI didn't say they are evil. Merely stated a statistical fact. And it is a fact, not a "view". How you feel about it makes no difference.
Ha ha,just found you here, nice to see you again.
0 likesC A N A D A ....not the USA... in the USA? You are screwed (possibly depends on state & county)
13 likesI know..... direct experience
3 days? He got $45,000? ........ yeah... Right you'll NEVER get that out of American courts (even WHEN they're wrong) they do NOT work that way.............. they don't (they'd owe ME... $Millions)
@Medvedec It's fine nobody cares about the fact that the white guy got 2 YEARS in jail all the people in this comment section care about is that the black guy only got 3 days in jail, so much white privilege is happening in this video/s
57 likes@Gunnermike455
64 likes I don't think you know what white privilege means.
Don't get me wrong, it was the same with me, but I learn and understand now (in part) what our melanin rich brothers\immigrants\minorities are up against.
But, in short, "white privilege" is the absence of systemic/cultural discrimination/oppression.
I think it has more to do with the class. One man was unemployed, looked/dressed poorly, acted angrily and had some bad past with the police.
The other one had a job, was clean shaven and spoke calmly. Though "calm" is an indication of guilt, like the video said, it's not known to the general public and only enhances the image of an "unhinged criminal".
Both were innocent, but because of the incentives that lie in the way the police obtains a confession both were wrongfully accused (it's mentioned in the video ). One had the money to fight the system the other didn't.
For better understanding of "white privilege" i would suggest a video from Contrapoints on white identity, because I know I wouldn't be able to explain it good enough in a YT comment.
Don't get swayed by the SJW/Alt-right people who just meme/screech "REEEEEEEE, MUH WHITE PRIWILLAGE" and don't even understand what the term means.
@Gunnermike455
62 likesThen tell me, I am curious, in what way is the term "white privilege" racist?
Because, like I wrote, the term just describes an absence of something.
But I think a lot of people are tripping on the "privilege" part, not the meaning of the term, but more on the implication of it.
If the people would use "immunity" instead, would the term make more sense for you?
@Medvedec By saying someone has "white privilege" you are judging that person by the color of their skin which is racist here's a quote from a great man who said it best "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character"
17 likes@Gunnermike455
80 likesOh, I see what is bothering you.
Well, one could describe "white privilege" as "majority immunity" , in other words, an absence of certain kind of discrimination, that a minority experiences.
For instance, one would not use this the original term here in Europe that way, because there are other groups of minorities that aren't differentiated on the base of their skin, but still experience similar problems.
Let me give you a few examples.
In Germany Poles and Serbs are seen as something "less" than Germans.
In Italy people from the North are seen as more cultured than the south.
In Japan people are discriminated based on their origin from other Asian countries.
All of those examples have people of the same color in it, but they still experience discrimination, that the majority doesn't.
So, if we want to describe the absence of discrimination specific to the US, that shows the differences of experiences between whites and blacks we use the term "white privilege" = "majority immunity".
The term is not racially charged and doesn't profile individual people and their beliefs but instead describes a system of discrimination, that's why I and the majority of people know this is not meant as an insult/racist remark.
Well... If you're not a "REEEEEEEE SJW/ALT-RIGHT TROLL" that is.
I hope you understand the term better now. For any further explanation I would really suggest a video from Contrapoints here on YT.
@Medvedec Nope the term is racist and will always be racist no matter how you spin it. Judging people by their skin color is racist no matter what race it is
24 likes@Gunnermike455
58 likesWell, I guess I'm not really good at explaining the term, if you still have those believes.
Again, it's not judging, if you describe a phenomena in society.
No one is accusing one another.
I't just describing different experiences from a minorities point of view.
@Medvedec "No one is accusing one another"
18 likes1. Bullshit people call people that racial slur all the time
"Again, it's not judging, if you describe a phenomena in society"
2.If it was a "phenomena in society" it would be called just privilege not "white privilege" because there are black people who are privileged too but it's not so it's racist
@Gunnermike455
56 likesSo you do understand the term and are just triggered like a snowflake. I see, I see.I'll use "majority immunity" from now on so your feelings don't get hurt anymore.
Back on the topic of one man getting a 2 year sentence and one only getting 3 days in jail. I still don't think it's te product of "majority immunity" culture, but rather the class difference between those two men, that got them their radically different sentences.
One had money and lawyers, the other didn't.
@Medvedec "One had money and lawyers, the other didn't" Thank you for proving my point that white privilege doesn't exist and that black people can be privileged
12 likes@Mike Barnes
46 likesI see you still don't understand the term and get triggered like a snowflake over it.
My bad.
Maybe m,y English is worse than I thought and you read just gibberish on your screen.
Oh well, I tried.
Right
0 likesYeah the way this was all leading I thought we were gonna hear "he was in jail for 17 years and recently got out, that is why you always act like the dude with the beard".
0 likes@Sam Yaza um what... you realize minority means there isn’t as big of a population than... lets say white people. the majority of the US population is white. POC are minorities when it comes to numbers. there is nothing about the word minority that means “less than.”
37 likes@Gunnermike455 you’re stuck on the word privilege. white privilege means you are not systematically discriminated against BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR ALONE. yes, a poor white person can be less privileged than wealthy person of color but it isn’t because of their skin color. with that being said, a white person rarely has to worry about being killed by police. a white person may have a better chance at getting a job than a black person. people of color have to go through so much because of their skin color. white people dont. thats what white privilege is.
45 likes@meggo "a white person rarely has to worry about being killed by police. a white person may have a better chance at getting a job than a black person. people of color have to go through so much because of their skin color. white people dont. thats what white privilege is" This is all false and EXTREMELY racist
14 likesWell I'm pretty sure our Mr. Extrovert dude got 2 years of unwarranted penitentiary time.
3 likesthe first guy was imprisoned wrongfully for 2 years tho
2 likes@Gunnermike455 So, two people make a statistic in your world? Wow.
26 likes@Joe Angle Naah he is just reporting it hahaha he isn't stealing.
1 likeIf multiple people talks about the same story of course there'll be coincidences lmao, stop whining
@JN this is why I'm against the death penalty
2 likes@Medvedec you gave the most eloquent, "ABC style" explanation ive heard. At least at first lol.
35 likesDont worry about the trolls. I know as informed and empathetic beings we feel a need to reach one another, but not everyone can or wants to be reached.
Good job on patiently explaining the concept and even listening to their criticism and responding with tact.
Keep that same energy, but don't let them trip you up into a petty argument. 🤙🏽
@Gunnermike455 you seem young, as in inexperienced and sheltered.
26 likesI urge you to meet people of a different socio-economic background, listen to others' stories, and make it a point to take in the experience of others before settling on a personalized world-view.
I wish you the best, but you're not on the right track with what you've been saying.
@Lo - Rez None of what you just said has anything to do with the argument at hand, the words "white privilege" is racist
3 likes@Gunnermike455 to which Medvedec responded with "majority immunity" to better explain the definition of the term. You are ignoring and refusing to acknowledge the issue; solely focused on your perceived notion of racism at someone's use of the term...
32 likes@Lo - Rez The term "White privilege" will always be racist again martin said it best "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character
3 likesTwo and a half years lost is a happy ending?
10 likesbut did it??
0 likesemphasis on THIS
0 likes@Gunnermike455 white privilege is whites who had a 400 year head start in capitalism, gaining wealth and the opportunity for it, only giving other whites opportunities, or any benefit whites enjoy that another race doesn't because of their race. It's a term to describe an aspect of racism but the term itself doesn't say one race is better than the other therfore it's not a racist term.
21 likes@Yo Tho "white privilege is whites" You just proved my point with this alone
0 likes@Gunnermike455 don't take what i say out of context to attack it. Quote me word for word and respond to the full thoughts i conveyed.
16 likes@Yo Tho The rest of your sentence is not true there were black people back then that had the same "head start in capitalism, gaining wealth and the opportunity for it"
2 likes@spencer What your talking about is the word"privilege" which is not racist however "white privilege" is
0 likes@Gunnermike455 show me a source because all im finding is that africans who were brought over were slaves and no african was brought over to be free and partake in capitalism.
19 likes@spencer And i never argued that black people didn't have it the worst back then but what i am saying is that "white privilege" is a racist term because even back then there were a lot of white people who were in the same boat as black people
3 likes@Gunnermike455 HA none of those sources say anything about africans being brought over to be free and partake in capitalism especially your most credible source with the .edu that talks about other populations that were enslaved. The wikis talk about blacks who were freed at some point after they were slaves or escaped creating communities away from slave owners. Show me a source of an african who was brought over free and and had the ability to partake in capitalism, free commerce, and act as a citizen with rights, without the fear of being recaptured.
23 likes@spencer lol i just read the same thing in his sources. They dont even talk about what were discussing.
20 likes@Gunnermike455 concerning your reply to the other guy. first of all that makes no sense, second of all you never said that.
14 likes@Yo Tho In first my first source it literally talks about how there were free black people hell this is in the first paragraph "In the context of the history of slavery in the Americas, free people of color were people of mixed African, European, and sometimes Native American descent who were not enslaved
0 likes@Gunnermike455 HA those are children of their MASTERS not african people who were brought over free. You and me are both having a hard time finding a source for that because it doesnt exist.
17 likes@Yo Tho The term "white privilege" stems from in your own words "white privilege is whites who had a 400 year head start in capitalism, gaining wealth and the opportunity for it, only giving other whites opportunities, or any benefit whites enjoy that another race doesn't because of their race" which is false in 2 out of 3 of the sources i provided it shows that there were hundreds of thousands of black people that could have done and some did do everything that a white person could do and in the last one i showed that white people were also slaves
0 likes@Gunnermike455 youre lucky im even acknowledging your Wikipedia sources. You wouldnt even be able to write a educational piece sourcing these pages. And you still cant produce anything to support your statement.
17 likes@Yo Tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Rossignol
1 like@Yo Tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Og%C3%A9
0 likes@Yo Tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_P%C3%A9tion All of these people were free people and their parents were also free and not children of masters
0 likes@Gunnermike455 This is hilarious. The first girl WAS mixed so she had protection. The second guy WAS mixed and it even goes on to say he was 1/4 african decent so youre reaching HARD. The last guys dad was french and his mom was mixed so again reaching HARD.
20 likesNot really
0 likes@Don Moore only in movies, they can convict on "I'm a cop he's the bad guy" mentality alone
1 like@Gyvulys sounds like an excuse for racial profiling
1 like@Marc Bensen
0 likesAnd you sound like you are looking for excuses for criminals just because they belong to certain race.
@Medvedec not to mention the proof based off 1 instance is anecdotal at best
2 likes@Gunnermike455 actually, as a white person I concur.
3 likes@Gunnermike455 by the same argument wouldn't the term "white" race or "black" race be racist? Are you saying there is no rich or poor people? Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
11 likes@Gunnermike455 dude, still citing Wikipedia sources? 😂 give it a rest.
12 likes@Yo Tho give it up, he'll never listen
9 likes@Gunnermike455 well check out the other comments then.
5 likes@Gunnermike455 eh dude. You're completely wrong here
11 likes@Gunnermike455 Lmao you almost got me, went a bit overboard with the trolling lol. Gotta keep it believable.
11 likesIdk I would rather not spend 3.5 days in jail for 46k 🤷♀️
0 likesno it didnt. the bad cop isnt dead
0 likes6.9k likes, nice
0 likes@Gunnermike455 It is not false. Studies have shown that being given the exact same resumes with the only difference being an applicant having a black sounding name, the one with the black sounding name was called SIGNIFICANTLY less than the one with a typical white name. It is racist to believe than a race is is superior. It is not racist to point out discrimination that is happening based on race.
8 likes@Lo - Rez Also, you never know who's reading. Even if you don't convince the guy you're directly speaking to, an onlooker's views may end up changed.
7 likes@spencer " its not in the way it’s used most often" I think that really depends on the parts of the internet you frequent tbh.
0 likesInteresting. I'd say that yes that there are people who will use it in a way to be racist and they should simply be called out for doing so. The SJW's are a loud minority and them misusing the word to be racist doesn't take away from the reality of what's going on, or how the term in itself isn't racist. As I said before, you never know who's reading and as with what I said with mike Barnes, even if you can't convince them, you may convince an onlooker. People on both sides try to use buzz words to dismiss each other and avoid having their idea's challenged, I don't think that means we should avoid discussion in its entirety because of some imbecils.
@James White bullshit, America does not have the highest in the world, it is Japan by several magnitudes. Also being a minority has nothing to do with it. Also while there are bad people out there most try to remain atleast neutral.
0 likesSo many don't.
0 likes@Heather Petersen
0 likesRead into the context a little better. I never said a person should be "condemned" for being a certain race. I was answering a guy who claimed that (as always...) minorities are mistreated by law enforcement. Which they aren't.
So take your self-righteous preaching elsewhere, hun.
@Medvedec you're the most patient person I've ever seen in a YouTube comment section haha good for you
11 likes@Gunnermike455 i used to be like you (same beliefs, but not as rude) and I look back on those days and cringe. I'm glad I was able to be open minded enough to learn about other perspectives without feeling like a victim. I hope one day you can do the same.
11 likes@wonbadood how do you know its not worse than death? Have you been in jail for 2 years for something you didnt do? Have you also died and then compared the two? And maybe him and others think so, who are you to talk?
0 likesYou’re right that’s not always the case sadly
0 likesHalf a happy ending. The beard guy lost 2 years of his life
0 likesAre you all deaf??? The narrator clearly states the guy served two years IN THE PAST for a PAST CRIME, not for the crime he is being falsely accused of.
1 like@Gunnermike455 bro just forget about trying to discuss anything in the YouTube comments section. Nobody here seems to care so much about the white guy who got two years for no reason, they're all too busy being stoked about the black guy getting the bag 💰💰💰😎😎😎
1 like@Gyvulys Who would have thought that when you criminalize and fuck with people on a systemic level for 4 centuries that they'll commit more crime?
4 likesWhat a revalation.
@Gyvulys statistics doesn't tell you what will happen. Only what has happened historically. You might use statistics as a foundation for a statement such as "this particular group is historically overrepresented among criminals". That's all. If you think statistics let you predict the future you need to go back to elementary school.
9 likes@Gunnermike455 learn the definition of racist and white privledge
7 likes@CRZ_PL do you not understand what "at least" implies?
0 likesThis comment is the only reason I’m able to sit through this whole thing. Thank you. I’m sure damn near everyone can relate, but this stuff BOILS my blood.
1 like@Medvedec oh my goodness,you were so patient and well mannered! I have so much respect for you for keeping your cool while trying to educate :)
8 likesUnlike the thousands that don't...
0 likesGOD is righteous. If you repent of your sins, believe in Jesus, get baptised and recieve the Holy Spirit, you will be on the course of salvation. And if you continue to act in faith for Jesus, you aill receive eternal life
0 likes@Medvedec The problem is people are actually actively discriminating against white people based on the term "white privilege", it is used to discriminate against whites more so than the term is used as the absence of discrimination, therefore the definition sways in the favour of being racist. Ask me for examples and I will provide them but you seem educated enough to know how bad things are and how wrong you were.
4 likesWhat you wrote was unlikely but still potentially true a year ago, but it is definitely not a correct representation of today's reality.
True
0 likes@James White What do you expect from a country that let's citizens in a jury decide on what the truth is and what not, instead of going for only evidence until the truth is proven.
1 like@Medvedec
1 likeThis is late, but thank you for the explanation.
The word has always bummed me out on what it actually means, as people describing those things as white privilige were things that should be a right for everyone (ie: not being unfairly treated because of skin colour).
Though, majority immunity/resistance is a much clearer way to describe the same thing in my opnion, as I think the word usage of priviliges comes from the perks that the nobilities enjoyed in medival feudal states such as not needing to pay taxes, which is skipping a responsibility. Thus I atleast associate the word privilige with skipping responsibility or gaining active unfair perks, and less with being not shat on.
Again, thanks for the information and clearing up things.
Edit: got rid of a typo or two
@Medvedec You did a great job explaining white privilege. Sadly, @Gunnermike455 is not even open to listening to your explanation. He keeps calling it racist, but if he read your comments with open-mindedness, he would understand that the term had nothing to do with judgement, but rather pointing out how the majority (white Americans) have a statistically lower chance of these types of things happening to them
4 likes@Medvedec you can always look on the upside and think the court case that followed probably led to him being set up for the rest of his life
0 likesThey bearded guy apparently stayed in prison for 2 years while innocent
0 likesAn innocent man was kidnapped and held prisoner and the person responsible only got a demotion. Anything short of it ending in that officer doing the same amount of time is not a happy ending
1 like@Hcaz1113 didnt he also get 46k? I mean 3 days in jail would suck but thats a pretty good sum of money, more than i make a year working overtime every week
3 likes@James White if you want to hear a worse system, china has a 99% conviction rate.... think about that. Basically anyone can accuse you of a crime because they dont like you and if you can't bribe the judge / cops or you don't have local ccp connections thats you finished. they don't need evidence. 99% of people in courts there are found guilty.
1 likeYes, as soon as I heard the end I was relieved and I hope it had no negative impact on his job or anything like that.
0 likesNot really cos Justin served two years
0 likes@ClashRoyale Shorts ah, he means Michael's story, where he was compensated and the arresting officers were stood down. However I am still unsure if that was enough compensation
0 likes@Hcaz1113 stay pressed, literally no one agrees with you uwu
1 like@wonbadood you will spend the rest of your life being treated like a stain if you have criminal record. If you happen to even know a person who is assaulted, robbed ext. You're suspect number 1.
1 likeAtleast of you died you wouldn't be struggling for the next 40 years
Ooooo is that a Female Elezen pfp?
0 likes@James White the US does not have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Japans incarceration rate is 99%
0 likesFor Michael, yes. But what about the bearded guy?
0 likes@Medvedec Hey mate I just wanna say thanks for the explanation and video recommendations but something tells me only less then 30% of US population probably knows what white privilege means, many far left and alt right populous doesn't even know what that means. It seems to be only used alot by left wingers on Twitter as an insult rather then to criticized an issue.
1 likeWell I just learn Mainland china, most Muslim countries, some African countries are full of white privilege. Learn something new every day.
@Gunnermike455 yea homie I feel ya, saw comment about Michael"black dude" staying polite and calm because he cant act like Justin "white" because of society! lol
1 like@Liuhuayue pretty sure it said he was released because of holes in the other persons story
0 likesthere is no happy ending after being wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years. nothing can fix that
3 likes@James White Not very surprising to hear from a country that is entirely build on capitalism. Sad to see honestly.
0 likes@Medvedec man I love how you explain it really easy but I really don't understand that person kept ignoring your knowledge and kept focusing on his racist thing' anyways we are on your side keep looking forward 😄👍
2 likes@Medvedec So the term can only be used in the US and it's not a term for a specific race despite what the name may seem to imply alright.
0 likesMeaning using the word outside any western platform or even in their platforms context need to be added to avoid confusion, because of the conflicting meaning of what most people in general has already associated the term to be racial ridicule of generalization for a specific skin color (white).
If that's the case mate I would advice you to not used the term at all, it's just gonna be a head ache to attempt to explain to multiple people what your trying to say worst case scenario you'll immediatelly get generalize as one of those crazy SJW your opinion will instantly loose validation because of it.
@Lament of False facade 2.0 Well... I didn't come up with the termin. It was coined in the academia do describe a specific thing. I am not responsible, if someone else decides, that the the term offends his thin, snowflake skin or if others don't use it in a proper context.
2 likesBut, we can see in the video, that the class, not the skin, was the biggest problem here. The first man, even though he didn't have "white privilege" , came out on top while the second was guilt of being poor and thus lost 2 years of his life.
No amount of money can give you back time you lost.
And don't worry about me, I love thin skinned NPCs and their rustled jimmies <3
@Gyvulys So I'm understanding that your logic is minorities statistically commit more crimes so professional investigators should paint them all under one brush and offer them no fair treatment because statistically their race commits more crimes? Not gonna lie dude, you sound like the type who would assume someone is an illegal alien just because he's Mexican lmao.
2 likesThere no happy endings with cops.
0 likesYou mean the white guy who served over two years before being released? Yeah totally happy ending for all involved ... meaning detectives and cops
2 likes@Oz - You can go back in the comments and read the explanation of the term if you want.
2 likesBecause, you know, it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Don't be so triggered. Think and apply some aloe vera to the irritated areas <3
@James White You can thank the author of the 1994 crime bill for the mass incarcerations that've been accruing for the better part of the last 3 decades.
2 likes@Gyvulys 40%
0 likes@Medvedec stop trying to act like you’re smart dude, you’re argument makes no sense, you’re just talking gibberish trying to sound smart and it’s not working 😂
0 likes@Logan Miller Never said I was smart. I am as dumb as they come.
1 likeStill doesn't change the fact, that the poor white man was incarcerated because he was poor and the police needed to fill a quota. His skin colour and his "white privilege" didn't help him, because you can always blame the lover class for the ills of society and no one beats an eye.
And, like I said, "white privilege" doesn't describe any additional rights, but just the absence of discrimination/prejudices in the US, that minorities experience.
A few examples for better understanding of the term:
Going on the other side of the road when you see a black man, because you assume you are in elevated danger.
Store clerks locking up shampoos for "black hair".
Not being hired because of "urban sounding" name.
Being perceived by the police as more aggressive.
etc.
If you are triggered by the words I think you should use "major immunity" for this societal phenomenon :3
It describes, in general, the discrimination a minority experiences in a country. For instance in mine we have a minority of Roma people, that don't get the benefit of "majority immunity" and get frisked by police more often, people are clutching their purses more tightly, in stores they are monitored more closely, they aren't getting hired when they have certain surnames...
And that is regardless of their "integration".
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will trigger you till you learn <3
@Medvedec buddy the fact you keep typing long ass paragraphs says otherwise 😂 you need to learn how to convey your thoughts into smaller sentences bud because I’m not reading all that.
2 likes@Logan Miller Lots Of Love 😘
1 like@Don Moore I am also so confused, that they can put people into jail without one piece of evidence. Just some assumptions.
0 likes@meggo to be honest, what you just said is factually wrong. I agree, that you will face more racism as a black person, except for the internet. But saying you’re less likely to get shot etc is statistically proven to be wrong.
1 like@Medvedec how tf did the discussion shit to rece 🤢
1 like@IsThisYourPlusOne because it's the new Godwin's law and some people don't understand, what the buzzwords they throw around actually mean <3
1 likeBut was it a happy ending? Ruin a man’s life and waste his time.
0 likesfor one of them, the other man had two years of his life wasted for nothing
0 likesUnfortunately not all stories get the endings they deserve...
0 likesFor the one guy.
0 likes@Gunnermike455 do you know what it refers to?
0 likes@Gunnermike455 support that claim
0 likes@Game Freak listen AGAIN.
0 likes@Aria jackson that's about it
0 likes@ArtofAngels a term like a gun can be MISUSED without anything being faulty wrong or bad with the term or the gun itself.
0 likesThe assertion that misuse of the term - even terrible misuse leading to great even tragic harm reflects on the value of the term itself is a faulty argument.
@Kaleb Howard wjat aboutthe2nd innocent man who was imprisoned forTWO YEARS ?
0 likes@J M after TWO YEARS of imprisonment.
0 likes@D D L this thread is a year old. Do you know how long I had to scroll just to find my original comment? Go be racist somewhere else.
1 like@D D L if I remember correctly, it's been a while since I watched this, but that was for a previous crime and a completely separate matter
1 like@Heather Petersen huh, how is the person being racist? Am I blind or something?
0 likes@J M the narrator said " He doesn't yet know hes about to do two years for a crime he dodnt commit"
0 likes@D D L I've read other comments and he only spent 3 days
0 likes@J M they were responding negatively to a (really old) comment I made in which I told someone off for suggesting it's proper to treat all black people as criminals.
0 likes@Heather Petersen waitvi bn minute! I think im on your side! Sorru if i added confusion 😆 i think youte the one patiently fighting the good fight..right? Absolutely commend and support your positions and efforts - i just want stumbled on this today 😂
0 likesYep, justice was served... eventually
0 likesI'm wanting help, is anyone here a professional who can point me in the right direction? I'm in fear of my life and not sure what to do. It's a long complicated story but I know I'm innocent and others are guilty. My 2 therapists believe me as do my family and 2 close friends, a 3rd is skeptical. Please help me someone
0 likesI'm wanting help, is anyone here a professional who can point me in the right direction? I'm in fear of my life and not sure what to do. It's a long complicated story but I know I'm innocent and others are guilty. My 2 therapists believe me as do my family and 2 close friends, a 3rd is skeptical. Please help me someone
0 likes@Logan Miller savage yuh 😜
0 likes@Gyvulys It’s funny how you don’t even understand the statistic properly
0 likesThe fact that the “detective” walked in and immediately said “I won’t ask if you did it, cause I know you did” is literally the worst move on Earth. He is literally saying he is guilty until proven innocent...
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More than that, he's failing the first step of interrogation 101. Giving the suspect zero wiggle room means you're less likely to get any kind of confession.
19 likes@Shingi plenty of successful interrogations involve leading the guilty suspect to believe they could be innocent and have a chance at freedom, only to shock them with the charges to see how they react. being so forward with it truly is a failiure.
2 likesOn the internet, it's all literally guilty until proven innocent every time and is by no means rare because everyone thinks they're the next sherlock holmes protagonist of the world.
3 likesAdd as an extra to a next video the Howard stern killer interview
1 likeKevin Davis please do a video of him
0 likesCaller: he’s a small white man
4967 likesCop: I’m tired jimmy, let’s just arrest the first black guy we see and call it a day
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Behind every joke is the truth 😂
176 likes@Jaan Ruus Holy crap.... how did these guys arrest a tall black man off a bus when the perp was a short white man??????????????????????? can anyone help me
120 likes@Chris Race idk thats racism for ya, the comment i replied to is sadly what truly happens.
57 likesMessed up world
8 likesCould you give me the percentage of crime by colour please?
13 likes@i'm Sozin Sofia boutella is Mountain Dew soda for annoyed with us know
0 likes*first guy
1 like8777
0 likeshe’s a transfer from the LAPD
0 likes@Captain Caveman or a pepsi...
0 likesthat's the smear...they tell a lie and the media covers it and it becomes so-called fact
1 likethey are all liars
God bless the men who have been freed when the truth was told
much love all-me
@Celtic Whisper Google it lol? and what does that have to do with this? they said it was a white man and grabbed a black guy it still don’t add up?
11 likes@Celtic Whisper can you grab me the percentage of white people who live in America vs black people? Do all of the math at least. Don’t half ass it
5 likes@Jaan Ruus “Sadly the truth” basically means that you don’t want to realize the flaws, and if you are the flaw you don’t want to be held responsible.
0 likes@Celtic Whisper if they arrest a black guy regardless of who is identified by the witnesses, do the statistics have any value?
5 likes@Jaan Ruus I hope you're joking
0 likes@i'm Sozin dunno man but you can never b sure abt racism
0 likesim not saying it wasnt because of racism, but looking at how bad modern cops are trained it could be because something else who knows
Yerah, the donuts wont eat themselves. In US if you've been arrested and then later found not guilty, the arrest record stays with you for life and next time an official asks you if you've ever been arrested, you'd have to say yes.
1 likeAccurate
0 likes@Celtic Whisper google is free. and if your trying to justify what happened in this video, your sick.
1 likebased
0 likesJimmy the cop😂
1 likeAwee poor me I’m black...
1 likeOften times witnesses get basic descriptions like this wrong. Specially if they're the victim. So its not unheard of to still arrest someone in the general area as long as they match something or give a reason to be suspected.
2 likesI'm glad there were repercussions and Michael got some level of recompense but its pretty foul what happened to him. He gave an alibi, they should have looked into it as soon as humanly possible to either disprove his course of events or to recognise that they had the wrong person and start looking for the actual criminal. I don't know what I would do in that situation, but I do know I wouldn't ever want to go through it for the money he got let alone not knowing if I would be jailed for years like happened to the angry guy.
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most of us have to PAY money to stay free, im fighting my SECOND false accusation, already found innocent once, luckily I moved out of that town already, I was targeted alot my homophobic cops cus me and my partner are like one of 2 LGBT couples in that town. if cops know/dislike you for any reason, you WILL be treated as guilty in every circumstance, 2 guys jumped me on my doorstep with weapons, I go to jail for defending myself. our system is totally corrupt, they know my family will pay money to keep me free because I'm innocent, so the lawyers make money, the jail makes money (45 dollars per day i was kept without being allowed to talk to a lawyer or make a call to my family, which was 4 days) and the court makes money, meanwhile, I eat ramen for dinner and now I avoid black people because i'm afraid if I get ASSAULTED again they will assume im racist or some shit, so basically the system has made me a bit racist. weird how that works
6 likesHe's lucky there was a cop with some integrity working there otherwise they would have railroaded this guy into a prison sentence of several years.
7 likeswhat about the other guy haha i hope he was proven innocent
0 likesMeanwhile a guilty piece of trash got away with a 3 day (at least) head start, all because some incompetent "officers" couldn't be bothered to do some work.
12 likesAnyone wondering what happened to all the videos, check JCS' twitter.
1 likeThis is one of the most horrifying videos i've ever watched, jesus. That officer interrogating micheal can't even string together a coherent sentence, and has an undeniably warped sense of morals. Seeing as 3 other officers were also punished for this, isn't this essentially a goddamn CONSPIRACY to falsely imprison someone? No way they're all that incompetent, I can't believe they were only demoted. Infuriating to put it lightly
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@Geralt of rivia approves this message They were able to feed their kids. They have decent jobs already They got greedy and wanted more, and were willing to step on someone less powerful to get there.
36 likes@Geralt of rivia approves this message children can be fed without falsely imprisoning black people for crimes they clearly didn't commit when all evidence points to a person of a different build, height, and race just because someone existed in a space.
19 likes@Rhia Bayer color doesn't matter COP IS A LOSER.
5 likes@Thyme Warp Color CLEARLY matters to some people-- more than some peoples lives, one might say. Ignoring it won't make it go away.
2 likes@Rhia Bayer Literally in the same video you have a white man being done the same. What does race have to do with it for fucks sake
2 likes@Nom There's literally a term for it... Cognitive bias.
0 likes@Nom The white man was NOT pulled off the street despite not matching the description! He was literally personally by name and picture falsely accused by an ex friends girlfriend!
0 likes@Tahtahme's Diary And you think white men are not pulled off the street unjustly?
0 likesUnfortunately he seemed to know what was going on. Never want to betrayed as the “angry” black man. He knew they made up the evidence for his reaction, and when the interrogator didn’t get the reaction he wanted he got more and more cruel. This man is absolutely amazing for not cracking under the pressure and falling into their trap
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Yuppp!
4 likesportrayed*
18 likes*portrayed
0 likesportrayed*
0 likesDemoted and suspended without pay... Oh the horror, what punishment for almost destroying a man's life.
462 likesFired, no pension cause that's what they all care about the most. 46K is an insult
Disgusting what they can and are allowed to get away with.
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I mean it's better than what would have happened to a cop in the US. If it was here they'd get a paid 2 week vacation and a party when they came back.
34 likesEdit: Oh...and the person accused would get nothing. Or maybe a bill for the food they gave them in jail.
46k for 3 days in jail? I'll take that deal right now.
35 likes@Bruce Wayne For him it was probably very traumatizing and I bet he would rather trade the money for a life where this had never happened to him. Imagine your sense of safety and justice being stripped away like that. I can imagine you carry away some serious mental health issues from an incident like this, even if it was only 3 days. The following civil lawsuit probably took a long time too and such a thing can be really exhausting. More important than the money is that justice was served in the end so he has a chance at getting closure.
22 likes@Bruce Wayne It impacted his job and reputation plus the mental anguish of being wrongfully targeted (and this is clearly racial discrimination) and minus the lawyer fees. It wasn't enough.
20 likes@Bruce Wayne That's easy to say when you know that you're getting out at the end. Did you even watch the second half of this video?
5 likes@wape1 We didn't find out the guy received 46k until the last 30 seconds of the video ending, so your comment is redundant.
4 likes@wizardjokes no it didn't impact his job or reputation. He was released with no pending investigation. Which means he already won his case before he even walked in a court room. He new he was getting a payday upon his release. Dont talk wet.
4 likesRobert Mustain if it was him being accused of sexual assault I’d agree with you but since it was just theft or something I don’t think his rep will be tarnished. It depends on the crime. But I know what you mean. I got insubordination for pretending to faint during a Cbrn tasking where students were learning how to handle that scenario but because I wasn’t told to faint the guy in charge of the course lost his shit and wrote a horrible report to my CoC about how I can’t follow orders. Some of the staff and I were joking around and they told me everyone has already passed the course and if I fainted to cause a scenario they wouldnt care and it’d be funny, so I did. But it went all the way to the RSM and they tried to charge me. When my warrant told asked me what actually happened I told them and we laughed it off and I barely got in trouble at all because it wasn’t really a big deal. I didn’t feel any different around my co workers for that, we all thought it was stupid. So him not even actually doing ANYthing at all I don’t think his co workers or friend circles would give a shit. However, if it was sexual assault or just assault it’d be different
0 likesUnlawfully detained, arrested, charged and sent to cells.
5 likesIt shouldn't be that easy to lock a person up..it should be the hardest thing to do.
Considering the guy had a rock solid proof he didn't do it and they wouldn't even listen to him..
@Bruce Wayne Sure when you already know the outcome. I'd take it too.
2 likesI wonder what happened to the poor red headed guy that spent two years in prison for a crime he didn't commit?
3 likes@Bruce Wayne Yeah, I'd take that deal without hesitation whatsoever!
2 likesAnd given the situation people, it's not hard to KNOW that you're gonna walk.
He was on a bus and walked through a terminal. They both have cameras.
The guy was bored for three days and walked away with 46k!
Boom!
I’d do three days in jail for $46K. Standing on my head.
0 likes@Bruce Wayne Three days om prison seems not as bad in the retrospect, but three days in prison while your relatives dont know where you are? Three days in prison not knowing you ever get out? Three days in prison carefully trying to be invisible so you dont end up in a fight or anything that will make you stay there even more? All that while knowing you are innocent? Thas quite different story.
3 likes@hanbanaroda He wasn't in prison.
1 likeHe was in lock up..
My man, 46k! How much you wanna bet the guy smiled when he got the message from his lawyer? He lost his mind, guaranteed!
He was ballin without stallin!
And still is to this day.........TO THIS DAY!!!
That's Canada for you.
0 likesI lost interest.
0 likes@Robert Mustain ok dont jump the gun treacle. Your analysis is way off. I'm a different kind of special.
0 likesAnd 46k in Canadian isn’t that much really
1 likeBruce Thomas Wayne their analysis of their own experience? Real easy to talk about the situation when you aren’t a part of it. Plenty of people are wrongfully imprisoned so just because there’s evidence out there proving he didn’t do it, isn’t a guarantee of being freed. He said he told them right away while he was on the ground being arrested to go talk to someone at the bus terminal which clearly they didn’t do. They didn’t even pay attention to the description they were given of a suspect. When you’ve already been arrested for a crime you know you didn’t do, it’s a little hard to have much confidence in the system in that moment. It ended up being 3 days for this guy but it could’ve been weeks, months, or even years. 46k for a few days in jail looks nice when you know you’re getting out after 3 days. Not being convicted also doesn’t mean the charges disappear in most situations. You’d have to go through the process of expungement in most situations even if the case were dismissed. It harms your life in a lot more ways. Of course 3 days isn’t as bad as wrongful imprisonment for decades but it definitely fucked with this guy a lot, as it would with anyone being arrested and accused of a serious crime and being given information that makes no sense to you at all. I’m sure he would’ve happily given up that 46k (minus lawyer fees) to be able to go back in time and have none of this happen.
1 like@Defqon With justice I just meant that it was acknowledged by a court that he was mistreated which is important for the victim.
0 likesJust a reminder to never "answer a few questions", "cooperate" or "clear some things up". DEMAND a lawyer. Always. There is NO information you can give the police that will help your case that you couldn't have discussed with your lawyer first. If you have concrete evidence that you are innocent, then great. Talk to your lawyer about it, and then let your lawyer talk to the cops. Everything the cops do is designed to prove that you are guilty, not to determine your innocence.
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Exactly!
18 likesDamn, I didn't even know it was like this. Thanks for the info.
20 likesYes it is. Having been in the position to "Answer some questions" before, this is the truth. They will use tricks of wordplay, tricks of confidence, and their inherent position of authority to manipulate you in ways you don't even suspect until it's happening. They stand literally next to con men on the street.
63 likesAmen sir AMEN!!!
1 likeEasier said than done. Unless you have a retainer on hand you can wait days or even weeks for representation. The entire time you will be in a cell waiting.
12 likes@User Name I agree, but they are still obligated to give you a lawyer. Waitingg in a cell for a lawyer is a lot more favorable than sitting in prison a few months later because you couldn't be quiet.
33 likes@GabrielReed They are. Just doesn't have a time frame. Thats by design. They want it to be horrible so you'll open your trap. In an interrogation you should be able to demand any evidence they claim to have. That would solve most of it.
22 likesThis is a situation where no one really knows what they should do. Lawyers tell you not to talk to the police. But that guy could have spent WEEKS in jail if he hadn't established his alibi. The reason he only spent 3 days in jail is BECAUSE he talked to the police. When you are innocent, your immediate reaction is to tell everyone that you're innocent. If you do not have a lawyer on retainer, it can take a long time for someone on the OUTSIDE to find one for you. Regardless of what people think, the courts do not immediately set you up with a PD. If you have a job, they consider you financially able to provide a lawyer for yourself. Meanwhile, you sit in jail and the cop who thinks he has a slam dunk case does nothing. I guess the lesson is, always have a lawyer on retainer.
18 likesIm wondering, what if i have no money to pay for a lawyer, they can just give me one for free? And what if i indeed call a lawyer, if im found innocent can i ask the state to refund me what i pay for the lawyer?
5 likes@unusual username You can usually deal with that by means of a prepared statement or lawyer present to ensure proper questioning/clarification
1 likeWell, he did make £46k in 3.5 days so not sure if I agree with you on that one 😭
1 likeOnly good comment. Sad that a lot of people believe talking will ease the tension, talking doesn’t end with just talking for a lot of people. Some people just give in, don’t know how many in % wise but it’s a considerable amount regardless when we are talking about a innocent persons life any percentage is considerable.
2 likesthis should be taught in every grade of school.
1 like@unusual username This was also almost 20 years ago. Since 2001, policing has been made worse. Police are to put it mildly, assholes. I would wager a large percentage of cops, upon hearing your alibi and believing it, would then take steps to make sure it was somehow made inadmissible in court. They're really fun like that.
4 likesWe shouldn't need to have lawyers on retainer. The problem is there are too many lawyers, because there are too many laws. The justice system needs reform, and I know that sounds cliche now. I think a good first step would be to strike down all laws that have no victim. Wouldn't that be nice? Crimes would only be crimes if there was a material victim. Also, cops need to lose their immunity, carry their own insurance and be prosecuted for lying. Remember for every one guy that gets let off because he was innocent, there are thousands more who didn't. The justice system was not designed to find the truth, it was designed to get guilty verdicts.
The attitude that it is us who needs to adjust to this tyranny is a bad one.
Totally agree. I'm from the UK where you cannot be interviewed following arrest without being read your rights and offered a lawyer to be present. From this side of the Atlantic we find it hard to comprehend how people can be interviewed in this way. It is such an obvious fertile source of wrongful conviction.
3 likesYou guys' justice system is atleast less worse than in India. Here, if they want a confession, they take you and physically torture you until you confess, even though it is against Indian law (who they do this to depends on that person's social standing. If you don't have any connections, your basically screwed if they take you to "interrogate")
0 likes@Garry the Rat hi, assuming you're in the UK a solicitor will be provided free of charge just refuse to answer questions and state you want a lawyer/solicitor and the government has to provide you with representation. Depending on the time of day or if it's a busy weekend, in my experience, you'll have to wait for a few of hours and sometimes overnight but very rarely more than 24 hours.
0 likes@911s73targa It's real easy to say what you would and would not do in that situation, when you are not IN that situation. I have had my run ins with the police, and I have a lawyer on retainer. And the reason that other cop did his job is BECAUSE that guy gave him information to check out. Don't forget that. My overall plan is never say anything, since I do have a lawyer, paid for and ready to go. But that is because I have the ways and means of dealing with it.
0 likes@Adam Dunn Yep, but that takes time. You have to realize you're still in jail while all this is going on. If that's what your lawyer tells you to do then do it.
0 likes@Garry the Rat Nothing is returned to you. And, you still have to pay court costs.
1 like@Yongo Bazuk horrifying philosophy.
0 likesExactly you're already innocent until they prove you guilty
0 likes@User Name Better than talking and spending years wishing you'd have waited for a lawyer.
0 likes"just answering some questions" is how you end up in prison. Always demand a lawyer and never tell them anything
1 like@Bob Marley thank you for the advice bob marley.
1 like@unusual username Untrue, he would have the opportunity to speak to a lawyer as soon a possible , far sooner than 3 days, it was 3 days because they have 3 days to formally file charges against you and the judge has to accept there is probable cause for a case, it's called the 72 hour rule, you can look it up. Lastly, you are automatically assigned a public defender regardless of how much money you make. They will later determine if you make too much money, if you do, they will ask you if you want a private lawyer, or agree to pay the public defender a specified rate. With that being said, never speak to the cops regardless of how innocent you are... video evidence proving you're innocent, don't try to convince the cops, provide your lawyer with the info. If you want to take yourself to financial mastery level, buy umbrella insurance, falsely arrested? it'll pay all your costs. Not many people know umbrella insurance exists and it's relatively cheap, few hundred bucks a year. It's that extra liability coverage people with money buy because they always get sued by someone trying to take their money; but it does cover false arrests and imprisonment and a bunch of other stuff. $1 million in extra protection. If you own a business including self employed, it's a tax write off -- not much of a write off since it's so cheap, but a write-off nonetheless.
0 likesYes but as soon as you do, you will look guilty to them. That's the sad part.
0 likes@GabrielReed waiting in a cell for representation sounds easy until you're there with none of your meds, withdrawling from them, nurse doesn't get in for days to "approve them" and won't approve most, being treated like a junkie off the street cause that's what they're used to. Days feel like weeks. Weeks feel like years.
0 likesThis happened to me. I was eventually released but waiting around for representation can make you want to test your luck with the officers (I didn't). That's how they design it. Its unfortunate and why any new cases should be reviewed that day or the next if possible by law. They make enough to accomplish it. The fact that this happens so often should mean a lot of lawsuits against the state but they get away with it every day.
@Ritesh Yeddu they torture you here as well. Put hoods over disabled peoples faces and strap them to a gurney then continuously pepper spray them, essentially suffocating them. All because one officer claimed the man spat on him. Those ends don't justify the means. There's video proof of this incident and many more.
0 likesSome detectives are also highly trained in psychological torture to break you down. Another incident (West Memphis Three), Jesse Miskellie - one of the 3 teens arrested, who was mentally slow with an IQ of 72 and not understanding what was happening, was interrogated for 13 hrs with no break being knocked down, threatened, having ideas planted, false promises made for confession, no food. They put words in his mouth and said "if this is what happened this will all be over" and he "confessed". All the actual evidence pointed away from the 3 teens and pointed towards one of the victims fathers who was associated with who? That police department. They will do anything to divert attention and pin it on whoever needed. And make no mistake, with only 6 wks training, there are a LOT of dirty cops.
The West Memphis Three were released a few years ago using a very rare appeal tactic. After serving over 13 years in prison, one on death row. If they were guilty, they should have been denied but they weren't so the judge who took over let them go. It was a tar-baby at that point, no one wanted to deal with it. No one else was charged after their release and the victims (3 young boys) will probably never get true justice, sadly.
@Miss Misfits yep, but the moment they arrest you not only do they think you’re guilty, they will use everything against you to secure a win and show they are not wasting tax payer money. Your best option is to not speak to them and look guilty while speaking to a lawyer.
0 likesAnd admission of guilt speeds up promotion. What does falsely and wrongfully accusing someone do? More often than not, not a dang thing. I’m glad in this case they were demoted. This video was very impressive and extremely detailed. I usually am great at observing people’s actions based on how they feel but this guy goes deep into it and makes it very easy to understand. 100/10 thanks for the content
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it sounds like getting fired from a job
1 like@Arabian PRINCE we can’t
0 likesThat’s cause it’s not that easy to fire someone if they falsely accuse, as it is giving a promotion to that who carries the questioning. It is normally a team or a group of professionals which investigate and so they can’t just kick them all out
0 likes“...and at this point unaware he is about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just under 2 years” Jesus christ
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I wanna see an episode of "Raghunandan Yandamuri"... if possible!
4 likes*just over 2 years
36 likesLet’s take a moment of silence to appreciate the suffering of others for our YouTube entertainment. Can I get an amennnn-ah?!
32 likesi would totaly compress 40 naps in 3 days and eat 2 balony sandwiches, one pbnj were the penut butter and jelly come in sauce packets were jelly is spelled jellly and is really just some weird thin shugar sauce while drinking coolade that comes in a giant bag with a skull and crossbones that states "do not drink" and have 10% of my sperm murdered with each sip for 46000$
17 likes@drop of water on its way to ocean 🤠what
11 likesHow to get the police department to pay your bills for just over 5.
6 likes@drop of water on its way to ocean uhhhh what? 😂
0 likesWhy no new videos?
0 likes@Pc115 I never needed to make the apology video I mentioned
1 like@Blk Barbie hopefully he got a nice check
0 likes@Dana they gave the man 45000 for being falsely arrested all that happened was he spent a few nights in jail, what i wrote was what those few nights would consist of lol i did a bid of time yall probably wouldnt understant unless youve been in the pen haha
2 likes6:55 and 15:05
0 likesDifference between Australian and American criminal justice systems- one the guy is falsely imprisoned for 3 days, the other 2 years 🤦♂️
0 likes@rls725 Also, one guy had no evidence against him and the other has a victim he had an indirect connection to picking him out of a line-up.
0 likesEdit, also, I thought it was Canada, not Australia, but I might be misremembering that detail from a different video.
@Flynn Curtis I'm assuming Australia from the accents
0 likes@rls725 I found it. 21:10 "constitution of Canada"
1 like@rls725 it’s Canada, he even says it in the video. Scary they can lie about evidence
1 likeIs it just me or some of the deleted videos by Youtube are allowed back here? Also the last pardoy by JCS is gone now. A bit confused. 🤔
1 likeEveryone's talking about the first guy but don't forget the second guy. You could tell he regretted his crimes when he was younger and was working really hard for a better life. The other guy was only in for 3 days and he was in for 2 whole years.
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But as I understood he was in prison before that incident for a crime (robbery) that he did commit.
83 likesHe was in jail for 2 years for a crime he did commit in the past. The narrator said spent "3 years in prison" then was corrected with the 2 years in county jail
238 likesJust figured I would clarify
This Justin guy got well and truly raked over the coals badly. Can't blame him at all if he holds resentment towards the state
87 likesOne guy (lucky him) lives and was arrested in Canada and the other one in the US. I’m just saying…
45 likes@Lya H your point is?
11 likes@Tito Dick You don't see the point? Oh dear.... quite obvious really.... You got trouble with comprehension? It's OK. Here, let me elucidate (oops, that means explain).
27 likesCanada=ostensibly better justice
US=ostensibly worse justice
Oh dear... sorry... did it again.... "Ostensibly" means "apparently, according to the evidence we just had presented to us (in the video) if that is taken to be true and representative"
Yep, that about covers it. I know... it's complicated. Any questions you just let me know. Happy to be of service (that means "glad to help")
:/
There was another man who was in prison for, I think, 15 years because the police were racist. They knew who the real criminals were but because they were white, they defended them. If it weren’t for a singer who wrote a song about him, the case would have probably not been brought up again and he would have had to stay in prison for much longer.
24 likes@The Mudpit after reading all that shit I could only imagine how sad your life is. Then I got a glimpse into it from that god awful video on your channel. God bless your soul
116 likesI felt so bad for him. I'm really happy he could work hard, and have a good enough relationship with his mum to live with her. He seems like a good guy and it was sad to see how much stress he was under.
28 likesThat woman who lied and accused him, along with anyone else who lies like that, is an absolute monster.
@ElectricShinn he was in jail for 2 years for a crime he did commit, but then after this false accusation he was put again in jail for 2 years before he was exonerated. watch again; the narrator says the suspect does not know he is about to be put in jail for two years.
34 likes@Tito Dick wow! I'm sorry you got talked to that way! I promise all Canadians aren't that stuck up 😏🙏
17 likes@River Wolf I've seen 17 years, I've seen over 20, I've seen black people exonerated after execution - even minors.
2 likesmy same thoughts!!!
0 likesPretty sure I worked with the second guy about half a year ago, he's got a girlfriend and kids now.
4 likesJust goes to show regardless of whatever "rehabilitation" or "debt to society" that's paid, you will always be a lower class citizen and the burden of proof is against you
5 likes@The Mudpit I could not imagine being this insufferable. I feel sorry for everyone you interact with on a daily basis
23 likes@Tito Dick Just because someone played mindcraft and decided to do a video on it 6 years ago? :P It doesn't reflect what is going on in someone's life now.
2 likes@LadyDefi it does because his comment was just a week ago so much didn't change after all...
3 likes@stale weed So your saying what he posted 6 years ago reflects what he posted a week ago. Really doesn't make sense since things a person goes through in their life during those 6 years would maybe change a person?
2 likes@Dragon Knight So? He served his time. What does that have to do with your ability to feel empathy for him?
0 likes@Pursuit ?
0 likes@LadyDefi read their comment tell me there's not some internal problems with this person and ima head out
3 likesWhy compare crimes bruhh there 2 good men point blank😂
0 likesWho Lives In Canada ??
1 likeSo true. Imagine the trauma that whole thing must have brought him. He probably didn't paid a single dime. :(
0 likesTrue
0 likesHe was looking at a hard 20 and hit panic mode. I dont blame him.
1 like@Piper Gale exactly
0 likesHe better have gotten some kind of compensation
0 likes@Tito Dick it's a joke dude. I'm amazed it bothered you so much you actually investigated me lol. Making a personal attack like that in response to a hyperbolic ribbing is, I venture, "sadder" than whatever you imagine my life is like.
0 likes@Piper Gale they don't have comprehension issues, it was clearly a loaded question, and a joke response. Triggered much?
0 likes@Lloyd Irving yes, that was the point of the joke.
0 likes@LadyDefi I think their investigating me for making an over the top joke about their obviouisly loaded question was a weird response, so I understand your objection, and it wasn't a minecraft video just fyi, it was a video about teaching methods in education that made use of minecraft as a visual aid. It was really fun to make (and got me an A, not sure why lol). I leave it up because someone studying pedagogies might find it useful.
0 likes@stale weed it's a joke joyce.
0 likes@The Mudpit well zero people found it funny so maybe you should work on your material. and I also see your other replies in this thread so I don't actually think it was a joke; I think you are just trying to save face. all of your other comments are equally insufferable, so I think that is just the way you type.
9 likesI’ve been in and out of jail for drugs and dumb shit since I was 15. Now, I’m a late 20-something software salesman and make a good living. The last place in the world I ever want to be is near a cop. They’ll take one look at my record and throw me the slammer. That’s why I’m either at work or at home.
4 likes@Talk About Trending Canadians take this shit too seriously lmfao
2 likes@The Mudpit “typical keyboard warrior” you’re literally the only keyboard warrior in this thread.
8 likes@Tito Dick Tito, if my silly answer to your loaded question upset you, I am sorry. It wasn't meant as anything more than a sarcastic bit of banter. A bit of over the top silliness. Somehow it upset you enough to visit my channel. I didn't think anyone would take such dripping sarcasm as a serious thing, and it wasn't my intent to be hurtful, it really wasn't, so if it did upset you I apologize.
0 likes@The Mudpit all good, now you see that being uppity doesn’t get you too far. But honestly I’m glad you made such a fool of yourself, otherwise this would’ve been a boring thread. No hard feelings on my end.
8 likes@Dragon Knight yeah and you could tell how bad he regretted it
0 likes@The Mudpit i love the passive agressiveness of your comment lmao
0 likes@The Mudpit savage :D
0 likes@joe biden's make a wish I never said otherwise lol
0 likesSo upsetting.
0 likes@The Mudpit that was an odd, condescending, and wholly cringeworthy comment that you left
4 likes@River Wolf I know who you're talking about, the boxer who was nicknamed hurricane. Bob Dylan wrote the song if I'm not mistaken. Unfortunately he's back in prison in another incredibly strange case, he was accused of assaulting a reporter that was interviewing him I think
0 likesYes that’s it. And also. What the frick frack?! People need got get their lives together of they think doing such a thing is okay. Especially since he had already been falsely accused and put in jail for so long. That a song was needed for him to be set free and now they are at it again without a real expansion. Humans. sigh I can’t understand them.
0 likes@The Mudpit You really came back to claim each and every L you received, respect
4 likesdon’t careeee
1 like@The Mudpit I had no idea someone could be so insufferable. Also the Canadian man was both the wrong height and race with regards to the police call so maybe not the system as a whole but at least the Canadian police authority is not “ostensibly better” than that of America
2 likes"I mean did she see you sleeping at that time"
3242 likesWhat a stupid question. If he was sleeping, how can he know if his mother saw him sleeping or not?
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lol
29 likesThose are trap questions, most of the time people who are guilty trying to look innocent will fall for them and kinda dig themselves in a hole lol
196 likesLmao the detective didn't think twice before asking the question
17 likes@Joseph Sampson Sadly innocent people can also get confused by them. In the moment
179 likesThey are trick questions. All you have to do is answer one or two questions that seem innocent, and now they have the "evidence" and the "confession" to charge you with the crime. They will ask you a series of questions that are similar, with harmless answers, and then they twist your words to fit the motive.
27 likes😭
0 likes😂😂😂😂 l can't
0 likesI think sometimes they ask silly questions to see how you react/ respond.
1 likeI even seen one where they called the owner of a burnt vehicle with a body inside of it (which turned out to be her friend she lent the car to) and asked her if she knew where her car was so she responds like any other person would “is it damaged? Do I need to come pick it up?” Cops say no, hang up but as soon as they hang up they all start saying shit like “she’s very fishy she only asked about her car and not if her friend was burnt to death” how THE FUCK is someone supposed to suspect their friend was burnt in the car they lent to them 💀 some of these cops man I swear lol
2 likesLMAO
0 likesyep. as tempting as it is to answer a stupid question, its best to just say lawyer.
0 likes@Ehtlam zone also very true
0 likesSuspect is a short white male: "We got him" *brings back shaq
2 likesAs my mother always said, “whether you are innocent or guilty, CALL A LAWYER”
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Indeed. If you're guilty you need a lawyer, if you're innocent you DEFINITELY need a lawyer.
26 likesNever speak to the police. Ever.
16 likesIn the US, you do not speak to a cop. You say I plead the 5th, and you get a lawyer.
6 likesThats it.
Why would your mother be giving you such an advice !!? What's happening in your house ?!🤣🤣
4 likes@MS responsible parenting is what is happening in that house.
7 likes@Cutland Springs Wrong, chances are the racially profiled you.
0 likes@Cutland Springs did you even watch the video?
0 likes@MS my mother was actually a police dispatcher for 10 years.
0 likes@Cutland Springs Try being accused of a crime you didn’t commit, talk all you want, then see if my attitude is really the problem
0 likes@Lauren I was kidding ..she absolutely gave U a good advice ..I hope U two always have a wonderful mother-daughter relationship 😉
0 likesThey have took the previous video down!!!
3 likes“The evidence I have is frankly conclusive and overwhelming”
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5 likesX
2 likesL.A noire goes crazy
3 likesThat shit only works if you are guilty, and even then you can doubt that shit
1 likeSay sike right now lol
1 likeX
0 likesHe was so polite that he didn’t even interrupt the detective while he was falsely accusing him.
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"i'm sorry to give you a hard time mr. officer" lol
20 likesMy daughter can come home with this decent guy.
11 likes@Holland4evahh that's a cute comment. You have a nice day dear🥰
2 likes@Holland4evahh Excuse me what
3 likesThe woman that lied in court, I hope she did more time than him.
1121 likesI hope he is doing good and still going straight.
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she most likely didn't do any time if were being realistic
137 likesYea, a woman can falsely accuse men of whatever she wants and get away free most of the time
130 likes@ImSakina I like to think that she probably is hated by her friends and family and the public.
27 likesI hope he sued her
31 likes@ciera wilcox oh boohoo hated by family vs 3 years in prison
79 likes@GTA Player she accused him of burglary, plus assault and battery.
10 likes@Erica Mercado For what, and he has no job, I doubt he could afford the thousands in litigation. I'm afraid the 'justice' system is for the few.
17 likesyou know she didnt. statistically when women do the same crime as a man, they get 1/3 of the time as the man. you dont hear femin ists complain about that inequality
33 likes@kongvinter33 Those feminist wouldn't know equality if it smacked them in the face
19 likes@ImSakina Why not?
5 likesIsn't lying under oath a crime (perjury)?
you can be almost certain she did a fraction of the time he did. watched a video like this earlier, girl accuses guy of rape falsely - guy goes to jail for a whole year wrongly imprisoned. Girl gets caught lying, ,does 35 days. Almost a TWELVTH of the time. Fucking bullshit.
13 likes@GTA Player They are taken seriously, which is a problem if its false. But usually theyre caught
0 likes@dani ye true these days.
0 likesSadly, lying in court is rarely punished, even if it is obvious or proven. Usually, it just means the testimony is dismissed and the jury isn’t legally allowed to factor it into their decision. Man, if I had my way everyone who was caught lying in court would serve the sentence they were pushing for the accused. That would be sweet justice indeed. If you cant convict someone with the truth and the truth alone you have no real justice.
3 likes@GTA Player really? Shame on her? I think she deserves more than shame. Why you acting as if she is a little kid who said poop in first grade?
0 likesIt usually depends on the states punishment for lying under oath. More Eastern states I've noticed are more harsh with lying under oath (with exceptions). The state I live in will give the accuser double the sentence the defendant received.
0 likes@Luis R I can’t get anymore animated on YouTube before they delete my comment for hating on women 😅
0 likes@GTA Player No wonder the comments I post keep dissapearing lmao
0 likes@Leunam Reyo lol what?
0 likesWhy don’t lawyer come and just volunteer to prove innocent people free. Than just putting words on mouth. Money is hard to earn. #sedlife🤘
0 likesdont speak to the police, simple
0 likesGive this man a netflix show. I'd binge every episode
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No! They'd degrade the quality of his videos
23 likesI had exactly the same thought.
1 likeHe’s probably making a good amount of money off these videos as it is, so there’s no need to potentially lose quality so he can make more, I’d much rather continue to watch on YouTube
1 like@Heidi E They already did! They turned "The american murder" (the Chris Watts story) into an almost unwatchable sob opera. They should have just aired JCS version of the same material from over a year ago, it is infinitely better.
2 likesWhy bother on Netflix, when you have full control of your content on YouTube. Why have a show, when you can have a channel?
0 likesHe already makes a shit ton of money on patreon
0 likes@Ziquafty Nny You mean from the $1-per-month subscriptions that he actually discontinued a while ago? I have no idea how he actually makes money but for this quality content he deserves every penny.
0 likesIf that interrogation doesn't prove that Canadians are the politest people I don't know what does
0 likesI was rooting for Michael like I had known this man my whole life
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Dude looks exactly like my cousin whos a bro to me. USA law system is just toxic af
16 likes@J P they're in canada, the cop says it near the end
12 likes@Mantis42 Canada got some toxic shit too.
18 likesLmao same here. Dude ended up making 46k in 4 days so id say it ended pretty well for him
10 likes@Thomas Lavis ?
0 likesSame man, I dont know this man but I fucking love his grace under fire and I LOVE that he was compensated for such a distressing situation. I love that the investigators who disregarded facts and lied to the man were punished. Absolutely brilliant.
3 likes@J P
0 likesQuick to assume that it’s USA 😂
@A hip to the hop would you be shocked if it was tho? Exactly my point. Many cases happen in the US and Canada where crimes go on the innocent for their complexion. Sorry if that triggered you.
0 likes@J P
0 likesSo you’re saying USA’s crime cases are the worst? There’s a lot more worse crime cases than USA. 😂.
Your “point” is invalid because it doesn’t even correlate to the actual video.
wha about justin???
0 likesImagine being falsely imprisoned on the account of a girl named Candi.
2 likesThat's really sweet
0 likesThis is normal, and it's called "Cognitive Empathy".
0 likesThis guy gave a huge respect to the investigator who falsely accused him and who painted a not too bright future for him. Karma worked nicely this time.
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No, "karma" DIDN"T really work nicely this time! The Canadian taxpayers are out $46,000. I'm not denying that Michael deserved it, only that the money could have been better spent elsewhere and Michael would have been spared a lot of grief had he just requested an attorney IMMEDIATELY!!!! Forget how you think it "looks," folks. ESPECIALLY if you're innocent, request a lawyer! The state has to provide one at no expense to you. DON'T let them try to convince you that it'll take too long or will be an "inconvenience" if, after all, you're innocent, quack, quack, quack. Once those handcuffs go on, you're in the belly of the beast. The authorities have every reason to convince themselves that you're guilty. Get an advocate!
16 likesPrickly Pear on a large scale like this. 46000 is a very very very small amount.
7 likesToomas Ounapuu
0 likesI still remember his name
My first lawyer
Always ask for lawyer
Sorry about rant
This remind when i first got in trouble
BIKERS GET PROFILE DAILY AT WEDDIN & BAR MITZVAH,no one cares
They drive by laugh & call them white WHATEVER supreme,those man have rites,just like anyone else
should not be harass at funerals.do you see forfeiture at hoyas or bougainvillea society haus,clubs for olde ladies?
@Prickly Pear should you seek legal counsel? Yes absolutely however, if you really consider the number of taxpayers within Canada, $46,000 is practically pennies in comparison to what our taxes go towards overall, especially comparing it to what taxes cover in regards to the criminal justice system (without taking into consideration wrongful convictions). "The money could've been better spent elsewhere" is quite frankly a laughable statement in the context of your comment, as even WITH representation Michael would have likely been charged either way and would have still been in custody for a period of time. Meaning he would've received compensation regardless. Counsel or not, if tunnel vision exists within an investigation the person who is accused will not be exonerated without further investigation into evidence.
1 like@Prickly Pear The way i see it that the investigators who got no payment the money from there went to this guy. But i could be wrong
0 likesThere was some karma, but I can't say it was proportionate in my view
1 likeRight! What control! I would have lost my temper with word vomit. I hate lies.
0 likesSuch a hard part to watch himmsaying “I’m not trying to give you a hard time.” Buddddyyyy! You need too lol too nice.
0 likes@Prickly Pear 46K of your taxpayer money buys you like 3m of highway in the better case, or new jacuzzi of some greedy politician in the worst one, chill out a bit
0 likesThat's terrible. They need to look into every single person that's been locked up after an interview with this clown
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@rel330 other investors
1 likerel330 Yeah he made a spelling error ok. They as in other investigators or case workers. Duhh
2 likes@rel330 wow so you will judge me by auto correct?
0 likes@rel330 thank god you’re here to sort him out!
0 likesrel330 acting sus up in here
0 likesI'm thinking they are the investigator in question
@rel330 Nothing gets past me. I've read both Death Note AND Liar Game, I'm basically Sherlock Holmes at this point.
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@ESS Lol sure, lets use that logic. Uhhhhh why dont those road workers just build all the new roads and do everything they are suppose to??? There is many factors why investigators dont just start reviewing every criminal case. Some factors include: Time, Money, Inefficiency, Short supply, Unnecessary, etc. Take for example money: hiring an investigator to look into a case takes alot of money, which many incarcerated people obviously cant pay, and if they could they would have already done that.
0 likes@Ben Kutenets I’m not even reading your entire reply it’s simply not worth it. Not arguing logic either. Just making clear the point of knogface’s original comment. Why is that so hard to understand. It was a simple statement. No logic of whether people will do right or wrong. Just a statement of what should happen. Not saying it will happen. Your just trying to argue about something that no one is even going against or trying to contradict.
2 likesPlaying Thug or Clown in my head
0 likes@rel330 depends on what ?
0 likesInvestigate this thoroughly 🖕
0 likes"Why did you do it?" is basically the bad detective version of "Are you gay?"
7247 likes"No."
"Does your mom know you're gay?"
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Or the classic "When did you stop beating your wife?"
212 likes@Deez what? I'm continuing on what the original commenter said by repeating what the detectives said, but using "gay" (as @wedge did) instead of robbery and assault charges.
70 likes@Leviathan lol I'm dying at the fact that someone IMMEDIATELY took it out of context... and also your calm response... which according to this video means... YOU A DAMN LIAR!!!!
86 likes@Colton Miller dang I guess I'm found out.
50 likesSo who is gay
48 likesGg
4 likes@Desmond Bates bg
3 likesBruh🤣🤣🤣🤣
4 likes"Why are you gay?"
34 likes"Who says I am gay?"
[pause] "You are gay."
@Kaylina Burch "how am I gay??"
12 likes"When did you first suspect that you were gay?"
Leviathan 69th like you’re welcome
1 like😂😂😂
1 likeah they had that one where youre from too huh?
2 likes@MrHeart12 Yeah, I'm from northeast Ohio
0 likesI had this actually happen. While driving, I was stabbed at a T intersection stop sign. A guy had been following me until I was forced to stop. He got out of his car and ran up to my open window, stabbing me. I hit the gas to get away, hoping i wouldn't drive into the cars on the highway. I didn't know I had been stabbed 3 times until a few minutes later. I drove to the ER at the nearest hospital, where a short, round, short haired, female cop was on duty.
13 likesShe asked me what happened and I told her a guy was following my car and I couldn't shake him, culminating in my stabbing at the stop sign.
She said "Were you drag racing with him?"
I told her I wasn't racing the guy.
She said "OK. Where did the drag race start?"
I told her that I didn't know the guy was following me at first, and I wasn't drag racing.
She said "OK. During the drag race, did you communicate with gestures, verbally, or otherwise?"
I told her I didn't see the guy until I was stabbed. I wasn't drag racing. His car was behind me regardless of my speed. He wouldn't have seen or heard anything from me since I was driving and he was behind me.
She said "OK. Do you think your attacker was angry about losing the drag race?"
I told her THERE WAS NO DRAG RACE.
The headline for the news article about the stabbing was...
"LOCAL TEEN STABBED IN DRAG RACE."
The truth can be stranger than fiction.
@CNN Blackmail Support Holy shit
6 likesI bet he was pissed that he ate your dust in that drag race
Jk, I completely believe you, wow that is even more surreal than the video footage here. I hope you're doing alright now. What a shit show to be put through.
@Deez r/whoosh
0 likesThose policemen/detective should be in jail, the way that person was treated is just unjustifiable
3 likes@wege Bj😩😳
1 likeI’m gay because guys shorts are to high these days and I can’t tell the difference so it’s open season on urybody
4 likesThat's why you counter with the McDaniel strategy and just start saying "I don't know" except with that twist that instead of looking in the detectives eye's you look at his crotch.
0 likesI like in Oklahoma and this fucking line was everywhere in middle school. I don't recall anybody ever falling for it though, it was stupid.
2 likes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️you right
0 likes@Baseballfanatic360 r/fakeredditors
0 likes@Kevin Weaver Ah, a well known classic
0 likes@Deez feces*
0 likesWege
0 likesWhere is Rambo Cliff? I want to watch it again for the LOLS
0 likesthe conclusion of Michael's story with him getting 46k and the investigators getting demoted and suspended was so satisfying
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Ik I felt so frustrated when they interrogated him he deserved compensation for that dreadful experience
66 likes@David David a lot of people have went through far worse than what Michael went through and got no compensation in the end. I have no idea how it’s even possible it’s bs to say the least.
60 likes@TURTLEB0MB fr
2 likesIt's almost like we should accept that a suspension and demotion is an adequate price to pay for a) blatantly not doing your job and b) trying to fix up some innocent person to lose his liberty and everything that goes with that. They should have been fired, arrested and charged themselves.
33 likesYeah I'm very glad to hear that end
1 like@TURTLEB0MB because people make stupid mistakes and we can't Truly know who's guilty or innocent. Like the narration stated "hindsight is 2020"
1 likeOfficer Mann was promoted 3 years later and is adamant that Michael was the robber despite it obviously not being him
8 likesWhat are the odds that I find u here
0 likestoo bad one of the officers actually got promoted later down the line
4 likes@Jacob Johns who told u that
0 likesThat’s Canada for you
0 likesPlot twist - The heist was the 46k....
1 like@TURTLEB0MB and all the guilty people let out, we sure have a great "justice" system in the west.
1 likeNah, jobs should have been lost. The fact that one cop insisted they were right even after the case, when literally they could have just READ the notes to conclude it's the wrong guy. I would understand wanting to investigate further, but REALLY?
1 likeWhile some of the responses here are a bit outrageous (execution? wtf), I think that the average person would agree that "demoted and suspended without pay" is the bare minimum that should be expected for holding someone for 3 days with less than zero evidence. I just wish these sorts of standards (or higher) were upheld everywhere.
1 likeThat’s what’s wrong with the system. Everyone’s searching for a confession and not the truth
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The justice system is a profession after all. But if you didn't pay or pay enough to the people working as cops, investigators, etc, even those who want to see justice made and help make it happen would have a hard time doing so: investigations take time and I mean a lot of time, you're looking at no free time since you'd have to work another job to be able to sustain yourself and your family if you have one. Thus people become cops and whatnot because at the end of the day it's just another job there is.
0 likes@Rip Kobe im not saying they get paid little, you clearly missed the entire point of my comment. What I'm saying is it's a job that pays, and thus it won't be fulfilled only by people who try to enforce justice.
1 likeReally makes you wonder about the amount of coerced confessions that have led to convictions and prison time. It's also a huge argument against capital punishment as a whole. Estimates say about 1% or 20k prisoners in the US are falsely convicted. 1% failure rate doesn't seem like much, but when people's lives are at stake it's a different story.
2 likesCorrection, everyone's looking for a promotion and looking to get it by stepping on the backs of people like this guy here.
1 like@DiegoDaBonkinator How much pay is enough pay? Cause despite the legitimacy behind the excuse, this can be applied to any position. Sales clerks, restaurant staff, etc... it's not really a valid deference/justification.
0 likes@GreyException alright, you seem to be making the same mistake as the first person who replied to me. I'm not saying they get paid little. I'm saying they get paid a salary, like any other job or profession, and they can get promoted to a better position, with a better salary, again like any othet job or profession. At the end of the day it's a job. Not all cops are going to be always looking for the truth and to enforce justice, some will just be looking to get paid. And if you took away said pay or diminished it, it wouldn't only get rid of those looking for money, those who genuinely wish to enforce justice would have a hard time doing so since they'd have to sustain themselves first. Meaning they'd either have to sacrifice their lifestyle to accomodate for a lower salary (which isn't very realistic), look for a 2nd job or simply quit being a cop.
0 likesTake for example firemen. Here in Spain they get paid a handsome amount (or so I've heard), but in my country of origin, Peru, they don't get paid at all. All firemen in Peru are volunteers that use 2nd hand gear, with burn marks and such. They don't get any compensation despite risking their lives, apart from their personal satisfaction (which doesn't feed them or their families).
@GreyException To talk about your actual reply though (because I believe I got carried away), I believe those that have jobs that directly influence people's safety on a high level (what I mean is jobs like cops, firemen, doctors though these don't really have to worry about money) should have a stable salary. I'm not aware of how much cops are paid on your country for example. And about exactly how much, I honestly don't know. I believe that whether they get paid too much or too little it would be a problem, but I don't really know what these amounts would be since it is very complicated. You could easily say "just give them enough money to survive", but that wouldn't be fair if it happened to most people, cops included, since it's a job that requires previous studies.
0 likes@DiegoDaBonkinator I'm not understanding what point you were trying to establish though.
0 likes"The justice system is a profession after all. But if you didn't pay or pay enough to the people working as cops, investigators, etc, even those who want to see justice made and help make it happen would have a hard time doing so."
Basically you said, "if you didn't pay (which makes no sense to me, because who works for free?) or pay enough to the people working as _ then even people who are good, would have a hard time being good.
It's not that we made a mistake interpreting you, it's that you don't have a coherent or clear point to make. Based on what you initially said, that type of reasoning can be applied to any field and any position, from grocery stocker to, teachers, to senior home nurses. "I'm not getting paid enough for the work I'm doing, why bother being good". And if that's the case you're trying to make, well then just say that you want socialism?
@GreyException after reading my first comment again I do believe it doesn't make much sense. While writing the very first sentence I thought I could be told that a possible solution would be to lower their pay so that it's not a job people take for money, but after thinking it through, that question wouldn't make much sense either, or at least I feel like it wouldn't, so the whole of my first comment, minus the first sentence, is pointless.
0 likesTo elaborate on said first sentence, a cop is ideally someone who does their best to enforce justice and see that those who break the law are put behind bars. However, a doctor is ideally someone who has the desire to improve or even save their patients' lives, they will try their best to help their patients and sometimes, when the situation calls for it, save their lives. And yet, there's many doctors who became doctors because of the pay. Now, I'm not saying a cop's pay is anywhere near as attractive as a doctor's, and neither am I saying that doctors who chose their job for the money will always do a bad job and won't care about their patients. What I'm saying is, that just like there are doctors whose main reason for choosing their job is money, there are also cops with the same reason. One obvious example is the first cop on this video. As the original uploader heavily implied, the reason he wanted to force the "suspect" to confess is because getting a confession with no evidence is a surefire way to get a promotion, which means more money.
Now, you could also argue that he was just racist, having a bad day, week, whatever, or just plain stupid, and I wouldn't be able to refute any of those claims as I personally do not know him.
I'm thinking the calm guy is keeping it cool because he's black and knows he has prejudice bias against him. Which is really sad.
0 likeslol the british detective who got demoted was prolly an immigrant to canada & was set in his british police state ways..
0 likesCity, county, state. Names of the cop and the police department.
0 likes"How are you gonna prove to me that you didn't do this?"
4923 likesI don't gotta prove shit, you're the one who has to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that i did anything whatsoever.
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Thats not true.
7 likes@Alexander Erickson actually, yea it is. that’s the main thing about justice systems in civilized societies
596 likes@Artyom Fax
30 likes@Zachary Alexander Go ahead keep posting more naive spam that is only showing that you have zero experience or knowledge when it comes to the law.
7 likes@Alexander Erickson I say you're wrong. Prove you are right then.
187 likes"innocent until proven guilty",it's just a saying,doesn't mean shit,if it does,then why innocent people end up in prison? It's more like "innocent until guilty enough I guess"
37 likes@Italian Spiderman Especially since a lot of innocent people with overworked public defendants will rather take a deal and falsely admit their guilt because they are afraid of full blast sentence.
21 likes@Artyom and yet shit like this still happens. soooo
0 likesfr imagine going up to someone random saying they murdered someone and telling them wheres the proof they didn’t like tf
6 likes@Artyom you’re dealing with humans that run that system. Granted more often than not the guilty party is the one caught, convicted, and sentenced but I’ll be goddamned if Id sit idle while I left my freedom up to others. There are just too many morons out there, some likely to be detectives, district attorneys, judges, etc..
3 likesHe's damm right.
0 likes@clad95150 how about the innocent guy in the same fucking video that didnt do anything that went to jail for 2 years? how many more people you think go down the same road that the truth never comes out about? open your eyes and think
3 likes@Alexander Erickson The law literally says that, wdym man?
4 likesTell that to the media witch hunters and half of congress.
2 likes@Alexander Erickson under the US (and any anglo-saxxon style law system) , Kubomi is right. There are jail types that allow "storing" the person for a certain amount of time (mostly protective - the case of mentaly ill people, collusion jail - to prevent the suspect from influencing the witnesses and destroying/falsifying the evidence and "safeguarding" - dunno if thats the proper term but it literally is this case, suspect is detained until he/she has allibi/other evidence checked - the cases of previously sentenced people) , but you need a court order for that (and its problematic to get even during the felony investigations). The case of "safeguarding" jail is, that (according to my knowledge) it is not possible to be longer than 24 hours in normal cases - any prolongation is supervised by district attorney and should be awarded only if the case is of felony-type.
3 likes@James W Lmao you scared that troll off
1 likeBurden of proof is on the party who makes the accusation, that's universal law.
3 likes@Alexander Erickson why dont you prove that?
0 likes@Alexander Erickson depends on the country but at the very least in the uk and usa it is innocent until proven guilty, thats why the title of the vidio is what it is. Its meant to show cracks in the system
1 likeYep. Guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
1 like@Mister No Nonsense Except you just showed how it is guilty until proven innocent in practice. You should not have the burden of proving your innocence. It should be completely on the police and prosecutors to prove you are guilty. No badgering, detaining, deals, lying, etc. Trust me I've had personal experiences with police willingly lying so they can close a case.
4 likesWith the case with Michael, he wasnt sentenced, he was detained pending further investigation, then exonerated his statement was examined and further investigated.
2 likesThe thing with Justin is they had witnesses against him. Liars of course, but still witnesses who could place him at the scene.
Those two liars should've ended up serving twice the time he did.
fact
0 likes@Mister No Nonsense Umm yeah that won't work. You think guilty people will just show up to their trial? Come on now.
0 likesIf someone plants evidence leading to you then either your screwed or you have to prove that you are
0 likes@Mister No Nonsense Are you actually complaining thag people were spared by the justice system because there was no evidence for a crime? Do you want a police state?
0 likes@Alexander Erickson
1 likeThe burden of proof lies with the claimant.
It is in the nature of things, that he who denies a fact is not bound to prove it.
The burden of proof lies upon him who affirms, not on him who denies.
The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him.
Upon the one alleging, not upon him denying, rests the duty of proving.
Upon the plaintiff rests the proving – the burden of proof.
The necessity of proving lies with him who makes the charge.
Just a few maxims that prove you wrong...
thats not true tho
0 likes@KewlCrayon An accidental further investigation - unrelated to his case. The bad actors in Michael's case should have been fired at the very least, been given jail time at most.
0 likes@Artyom exactly! Like how the fuck is police going to ask me for proof? Like what am I supposed to do record myself 24/7?
1 like@Alexander Erickson don't ever become a lawyer
2 likes@Alexander Erickson that is true.
0 likes@Artyom sometimes you don't find this justices when you need it so need to be aware of this
0 likesthis is in Canada. US is the country where innocent until proven guilty.
0 likes@billi boom Bllsht.
0 likeshmm... i MIGHT save this for when i'm in court.
0 likes@mipspc lol. Literally just search the term "burden of proof" and you'll know.
0 likesFirst thing he said to him was he was guilty and he didn't even need to ask him any questions.
0 likes@Alexander Erickson That is literally a foundational principal of law in America. The idea that all are treated equally before law and that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. The writers of the founding documents believed it was better for a criminal to be set free than for an innocent person to be falsely accused and sent to prison. Evidence? Yeah ALL OF THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF THIS COUNTRY. All the personal writings of the founders.
0 likes@Alexander Erickson yes it fucking is
0 likes@Alexander Erickson that is completely true, or at least it is supposed to be.
0 likes@gixxxer1k the man was not arrested, he was held in prison for question and trial. If he was let out at Home, he could easily get away if he is guilty.
0 likes@Italian Spiderman The problem with that is that you CAN be "proven" guilty FALSELY. It is literally why your right to remain silent and right to a lawyer is 100% recommended for every situation. Sure, when you see some of those popular channels about homicides and serial killers, you see that the ones asking for a lawyer are told by the police "are you sure you want to do that? That'll go on record" or shit along those lines to basically shit-test you into panicking or second-guessing yourself. In those cases, it's often that the police ALREADY have significant evidence, and are really just shitting on you to make sure you stumble easily into their traps.
0 likesAnyway, I digress, you must often plead the 5th and not say ANYTHING because, as the cops themselves say when they arrest you, "anything you say CAN and WILL be held against you in the court of law".
If the universe puts you in the wrong place and time, all you have to do is starting saying shit and say something COMPLETELY normal and even ACCIDENTAL, but it will incriminate you because it JUST might validate their potential evidence against you even if you are innocent.
It's hard to explain, but basically if you think you're being falsely accused, you MUST stay silent. It is not uncommon for people to say somethign completely innocent and have it held against them
It's hard to go that route when you're just snatched out of your everyday routine and don't want to sit in jail for days/weeks/months until then. I can't imagine how many more innocent ppl would be sentenced if they didn't profess their innocence.
0 likes@dustin fisher it is up to others unfortuntaely. if the police take you away today theres nothing you can do
0 likes@Artyom it's not what you know, it's what you can prove
0 likesDid you know how many police have falsified their own reports in these situations?
0 likes@Alexander Erickson come onto my podcast
0 likes@It's Because The death penalty actually costs more tax dollars and takes way more work than life in prison because of the amount of appeals.
0 likes@mipspc Nope, it's the same in Canada as well. Are you American? It always seems to be Americans that assume basic human rights are somehow unique to their country.
0 likes@Florian D. This happened in Canada, which doesn't have the death penalty.
0 likes@Jason Ablah or Who you know and how much $$$ you got.
0 likes@-- disaggree . The penalty part of the law is not to only deal out justice but to set an example of deterrence (in a timely manner, lol. You know 20-30 years on death row).
0 likes@-- wrong. Neither.
0 likes@Perry I can also say that i an literally a hippo, does that mean its true? Come on, dude... maybe you have zero experience with the law as you make it seem, but you cant be so naive that you actually think thats how it works, can you?
0 likes@ReaprG I dont need to, current events and the last several decades have proven it.
0 likes@I. K And i agree with you, but we got US boyscouts here claiming that our justice system is without flaw. People that have no knowledge or experience on the subject
0 likes@Dunravin Im not wrong. Period, end of story.
0 likes@Mr Bell Dont ever post spam.
0 likes@Mister No Nonsense I mean how people are so convinced that others are guilty, and places the burden of proving innocent on the alleged perpetrator, rather than treating them as innocent until guilty.
0 likes@Alexander Erickson Prove it... show me the maxims of law that say the burden of proof lies with the accused. The only time you're right is when the ignorant hand over their rights and contract with the corrupt. Are you a cop? Your father? Or just ignorant?
0 likes@Alexander Erickson no, you need to, you are just telling us you have no way to prove it
0 likes@Alexander Erickson oh I see what you mean. Your saying it’s different in practice and it fails a lot. Ok I didn’t get that until now
0 likes@Alexander Erickson Your lack of proof says you're wrong. If you are correct you should be able to provide a conclusive argument to back up your statement. You provided none therefore I must assume you are living in fantasy world of your own creation.
0 likesYo where is your “what pretending to be crazy looks like” video?
2 likesNeed new JCS content!
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Sorry bud it's never happening. YouTube killed the channel.
0 likes@Sumeet that's sucks!! They hot killed for reporting on the truth...
0 likesBest part:
750 likesInterrogater: " we have a number of witnesses"
Michael: "great! 👍"
Interrogater: "one of whom had a video camera"
Michael: "perfect! 👍👍👍"
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my fave part too - no guilty person has ever said that - should have maybe been a tip-off he wasnt lying lol
91 likesThe fact the interrogator kept going after that moment knowing full well no guilty person would react so enthusiastically-
67 likes@Ruined Sketchbook I wonder why he did that??
3 likesIts literally the best thing someone could tell you in that situation right?
28 likes@Joseph Papilson He tried to grill him into saying that he did it even if it wasn't true in the first place.
2 likesYeah! Show me the tape!
3 likesJoe He was incompetent, lazy, and still hoping for an easy win: getting a confession. He was trying to steamroller an innocent man. His incompetence and laziness showed right from the start when he said he wanted to get a sense of Michael, whether this was the first crime Michael had done or if he was a career criminal. Let me explain what this means: THE INVESTIGATOR STARTED THE INTERVIEW ADMITTING HE HADNT EVEN CHECKED IF MICHAEL HAD A CRIMINAL RECORD. (Sorry, I thought that merited all caps.) Then he said there were witnesses that had identified Michael but never mentioned a line up (or other method). This should be a tip off that 1) witnesses had not identified Michael, 2) the detective hadn’t spoken with any witnesses.
9 likesIf the investigator had no evidence, but merely a strong suspicion, he should have released Michael. If evidence was discovered proving Michael’s guilt, they could rearrest him. It happens all the time (and should happen more often if all police acted as professionally as they should). You bring in your “person-of-interest” for questioning, as you’re investigating. If they don’t
"Let's see the video then! We'll see right away if I look like your suspect!"
6 likes-Hmm no, but it's clearly you!
king shit AHAAH
0 likesAbsolutely insane… I was wrongfully detained on an assault charge, and was extremely terrified and frantic. I am so extremely impressed by this guy’s restraint. Every time I tried to reason and wasn’t believed my panic increased, this guy just kept his 100% cool.
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I can't imagine going through that. I hope everything was promptly resolved for you.
27 likesThese tapes should not exist because the only acceptable response to being mirandized is to ask for legal representation.
0 likesThe fact the detective feels the need to keep reassuring him he's going to do his job and look into despite the fact he never challenges him is a huge giveaway for me too. Especially considering it contradicts his whole "there's no question of if your guilty we know you did it"
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That language is meant to pressure people into confessing which makes prosecuting easier. They often know their case is weak, but will scare people into confessing. It also unfortunately has the effect o having people confess even if they're innocent because they think there is no hope left.
65 likesYeah maybe investigators shouldn’t play that card unless they have enough reason to believe the suspect is guilty. This dude literally had no reason! Wtf was his problem
14 likes@Poobs Probably over thinking it. Cops picked up someone, and then the detective didn't even bother reviewing the evidence and then tried to pressure them into a confession to solve the case.
5 likes@Poobs no doubt he was investigated, but probably turned up nothing. Maybe he was very careful in covering his tracks. Being a cop would give one an advantage in covering up their own crimes especially if said crimes were of a calculated nature.
0 likesHopefully, the fact that he was demoted and suspended without pay got him to clean up his act, be it legally or professionally.
@harizotoh7 sounds more like underthinking than overthinking.
0 likesI dated a guy who called the officer on his bluff about "I don't need to talk to you, I know you did it!"
1 likeMy ex replied "Great, then you don't need me to say anything except I want a lawyer,"
They gave him all kinds of hell, but they couldn't pin anything on him because he didn't do it. He still gives those officers shit every chance he gets, and his new girlfriend does too.
@Poobs I think if we’re questioning the cop’s motives here, it’s more likely that the cop was just racist, straight up. Literally nothing was on the guy, but he was still convinced he was guilty, and I know a fair share of people who are convinced blank people are way more likely to do crime. Bias is a strong thing. Also, our criminal justice system, in general, doesn’t have a good track record when it comes to this stuff anyway lol.
2 likesIn Australia, a young girl was abducted (Karmein Chan) The police and media called on the public to point the finger and nominate a suspect. 27'000 men were named (including myself) Of these 73 were charged with an offence (not connected to the case) 73 in 27'000 works out to 1 man charged per 370 men named.
0 likesThat interrogator was pathetic, glad to hear he got demoted after that miserable conduct.
1 likeMichael would've honestly made a better detective than the one interviewing him.
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True. He told them to talk to a bus driver, check their video footage, and provided an alibi. The Hamilton police braintrust collectively took 3 more days to think of and do any of that.
108 likesI agree!
6 likes@Raging Zim braintrust? more like brainfarts
18 likesI’m 469 like
0 likesFact
2 likes@Raging Zim He even called out the bluff, which needs guts when you've got an investigator in front of you
12 likes@trashlord And then to talk about the importance of truth was truely horrendous. Should of been sacked rather then just suspended.
3 likesYes, Michael is a smart and calm man!
0 likesDetective: “I gain nothing from this.”
3626 likesAlso Detective: Gains everything from this
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This detective is the biggest jerk ever. And I hope his whole entire family is ashamed of him. He should’ve been fired plain and simple.
216 likes@Megan Allen I am sure a lot of dirty cops can provide emotional support to him. 100% he thinks it was not his fault. Probably (mis)handled people like Michael dozens of times.
26 likesThat detective is a joke!!!!
12 likesHe got demoted no?
1 liketime stamp please?
1 like@Ali Coria yup
1 likeProps to Michael for being calm right there. If it was me I would have lost my cool and went "What? A cop that's trying to put someone in jail for a crime doesn't get anything from this? You're saying you gain nothing from doing your job, in your mind, successfully?"
3 likes@Ali Coria He was demoted, without getting his pay. This is explained in last few seconds of the video
1 like@TIV67 Playz bruh
0 likesThe only day he got was a couple unpaid vacation days
0 likes@Megan Allen he ain't got no feelins
0 likes@TIV67 Playz No I believe in my own power but I appreciate your preaching brother
0 likes@David Perez demoted lmao. This is the problem we have in America. A cop can do whatever they want and still wake up with a job in the morning
0 likes@Da rel posty_ Malone1082 Did you watch the video? It was Canada...
0 likes@ihazdaforks yeah I just got to that part actually. My point still stands though. Guess I see why BLM is an international movement. Police are treated the same in every 1st world country
0 likesYo first the one with christmas with cliff, and now What pretending to be crazy looks like?? wtf where are the videos
1 likehe going to loose his job for someone else,s crime.
0 likes“It doesn’t matter if you did it or not, why did you do it?”
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But i dont
35 likesIts like asking somebody 'why do you wear your sisters underwear?' trying to get them to give an answer that implies admission of guilt
141 likes@Ollie Wales but i dont
15 likessaying "if you did it or not, why did you do it?" would confuse the suspect, and they could accidentally admit something considering two different things contradict each other which would be confusing enough to trick a dumbass into admitting the crime they did
61 likesBruh moment.
13 likes@dakoda it would of been throw out in court anyways
2 likesthat's called a loaded question!
5 likesWho's you? We're the only two in this room.
1 likeExactly!!!!!!!
0 likes@malik gross this type of stuff usually happens anyways, the court system is fucked
4 likesI hate that policeman to the core of my heart. I CANNOT BELIVE how incompetent he is
3 likesI love how detectives can lie, manipulate, and force their way to a false confession with nearly no repercussions
2 likesThey just want to frame the first black person they see.
1 like@ImFeelingKwerty it's more like asking "Do you know why you're gay?" To a straight person.
2 likesCops...
0 likes@HOLLEY ROCKS I'm guessing you have had bad interactions with police........
0 likesthe answer is yes
0 likes$46,000 for 3.5 days in jail.
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That’s pretty good
0 likesWell he might have been a little more freaked out like the other guy had it also been a murder charge. This is such a great channel btw
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The other guy didn't have a murder charge
0 likes@M D oh you right my bad
0 likesnice law suits
0 likesguilty until proven innocent.
0 likesThat interrogator tried to make himself sound like some skilled detective when in reality, he was extremely incompetent! The dumbest cop I've ever seen!
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That happens when you go in completely unprepared but have the authority to take someone's freedom away.
11 likes@Andrew T. true
1 likeIs the detective in the first clip australian
0 likesDixon is acting like someone who's never been in trouble and assumes that if they didn't do it, the police will figure it out. The other dude is acting like someone who's dealt with cops before.
0 likesHope he enjoyed those cheetos
0 likesWere there recent videos deleted. Hard to believe this one was the last one.
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No they weren't deleted they were set private
3 likesVia Twitter and YouTube JCS community channel, YouTube has flagged both videos for spreading "violence" and "sensitive events." Yes, YouTube is taking them down.
1 likecaller: "small white man"
8959 likespolice: "ok tall black man"
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It's literally the complete opposite😂
315 likesThat’s so frustrating I hope he was fired and sent to jail
346 likesThey don't care about that the way you think they do so give it a break. They just want to bust somebody, anybody, and if you polite nice dude like this guy it makes their evening that much more pleasant. Bigger the bust the bigger the boost but any bust will suffice.
74 likessad to say i can bet a white cop made that error
57 likesgeeeeeez i got 1000 likes i had no clue it would get this big
3 likesTall black woman *
5 likescops are liars, you need to know that going in, they are trained in professional deception, I have two brothers retired PD and Sherrif, and I've personally seen this rodeo
47 likes@Change s They said at the end of the video that interrogator and 3 other officers were demoted without pay after the accused was proven innocent beyond a doubt.
73 likesMade me mad just watching them ignore what evidence they had simply to try and boosts their own egos, they should have been fired.
@Change s They said in the video they were onlt demoted and suspended without pay.
7 likesit's funny that it always goes this way. I can bet no cop ever heard "arrest tall black guy" and arrested a white guy instead lol
37 likes@Chris Monetti but surely.... if they want to bust somebody, they should actually go for actual SUSPECTS. not innocent people. sounds counter-intuitive.
6 likes@Patrick Ross Whats race got to do with it???
2 likes@Leitha honestly... Its probably happened. You just wont hear about it because that won't gain clicks nor push the narrative of white cops are bad
2 likes@Shane Bolger More likely you don't hear about it because it's much rarer.
8 likes@Shane Bolger its weird because the officers arrested a tall black man even though the caller specifically said a short white man, it's so obvious that they arrested that wrong person that any rational person would think that the cops did it on purpose.
17 likeshas zodiac killer flashbacks
5 likes@Ronald Haney all normal humans lie so considering cops are also homo sapiens, they should logically also lie.
1 likeLmaooo 🤣
0 likes@Change s the investigators and officers involved were demoted and suspended without pay. He says it right the end.
0 likesYou obviously never heard of shapeshifters.
0 likes@Shane Bolger don’t worry it’s not just white cops that are bad! they all are 💗
6 likesAnd people say america is the only problem with racism 🤣 shits worldwide
0 likesAnd this in Canada!!!
2 likes@Change s he said all the officers were demoted and suspended without pay at the end lmao
0 likes@Ronald Haney So you’re that brother eh? Every family has one it seems.
0 likesOmg hahaha
0 likesMakes sense to me.
0 likessurprise
0 likes@Change s at the end he said that the detective was demoted and suspended without pay
0 likes@Chris Monetti How is change supposed to happen if we sit around and give it a break?
0 likes@Chris Monetti It's important to note that not only did the man receive $46K in punitive damages in civil court, but the 3 officers involved were demoted and suspended without pay.
0 likesFun fact - the time the Zodiac Killer was the closest to being caught, people had seen him shoot a car's driver in broad daylight in a populated area, and witnesses gave a decently detailed description, most notably that he was a white man. At some point down the line, though, dispatch decided to say the suspect was black, and some of the first cops to arrive at the scene remembered someone matching the actual description acting suspicious and ducking out of sight when he saw the cops, but they ignored him cuz they thought the perp was black
0 likesWelcome to the American police system. Where the job is to fill up jails instead of actually punishing criminals
0 likesDoesn’t matter
0 likes@Patrick Ross and you are no better than that cop, if that's even true.
0 likes@Ronald Haney That’s not a police problem, that’s your brothers’ problem.
0 likes@Leitha I’m almost certain it’s happened before.
0 likes@6Saturna Caprisun The narrative concern is significantly more likely and you know it
0 likes@Guytrash Gurtdog All cops are heroes
0 likesppl i said sad to say at the start of my first statement not because of personal reasons but fact that most cops who get into problems in the us are white . If it was asian spanish black i would say so same i said the truth above . How many colored and or asian cops do i see start or have any problems ... BASICALLY NONE .
0 likesthe moment JCS commented on it a big word did pop into my head "R A C I S I M" Canada isn't too far from the US after all lmao
1 likethat's basically how the Zodiac Killer got away.
0 likeshe was light skinned but still lol
0 likes@Patrick Ross who knows. If it was a white person u know damn well they r gonna hate on ever white cop now lol.
0 likes@Patrick Ross immediately bring race into it like a typical leftist.
0 likessays a lot about police tbh
0 likes@Chris Monetti which is why we should occasionally purge the policing system of bad elements. Using extreme violence and brutality of course. Got to keep the pigs afraid and in line.
0 likesOnly if it were a girl
0 likes@grey man what are you talking about?
0 likes@Matthew Garofolo I was just saying that the suspect would be the complete opposite of what the witness said if it were a girl
1 like@grey man I see.
0 likesSo what happened with the other guy?
0 likesWhat happened to "What pretending to be crazy looks like" video? It's private and not accessible anymore.
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YouTube is taking those videos down. Check the community posts
2 likes4:07 establishing who is the sigma male
0 likesThe black guy is calm and forgiving to the officer obvious intent because he know that an un armed black man. To an officer is the same as a fully equipped special force ninja black black belt. ( something mystical & Dangerous)
0 likes“The truth is paramount” ...continues to do nothing but lie.
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@Bingus McDrangus whts wrong with canada exactly?
2 likes@Father Datura copy paste that into your search bar
22 likes@Luke Magiera bruh 💀
0 likes#StackTheBlue
0 likes@Father Datura Where does one start?!
2 likesTruth is paramount+
3 likes@Luke Magiera I could probably find that exact same scenario in the U.S. Police abusing their power isnt exclusive to any nation
2 likesso glad they got demoted
0 likesANALYZE AMBER HEARDS BEHAVIOR DURING THE TRIAL PLEASE
0 likesMichael is calm because he's black he knows what's fucking happening lmao
0 likesNot all police, but some are absolute 🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀
2 likesDamn america do be a social experiment and i wish american was a race so i could act superior
0 likes(SPOILER ALERT)
4125 likes"The suspect was exonerated and awarded 46 000$, THe interrogating officer was demoted and suspended without pay" Love that they ended the video with this, that has got to be the most satisfying line ever to hear after watching the full video
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Until u realize the guy who served 2 years got nothing
268 likes@Ayden Sereda that’s America for you
93 likesExcept for how demoting and being suspended without pay is getting off pretty light for going forward without evidence like that. They should have been fired.
234 likes@Josh Garner fired is pretty light , he should sit in the same damn cell the wrongfully imprisoned had to sit in for double the time , so he could maybe understand what putting someone behind bars actually does to them
147 likes@Noah Kniffin foolish
2 likes100% agree! The thumbs up didn't cut it.
2 likes@Noah Kniffin What @indiapale means is that @Julius Munguia is responding to the 1st comment of the original one, which is by @Ayden Sereda - 'Until u realize the guy who served 2 years got nothing', who is referring to the example given in the video about the ginger man who was professing his innocence in a louder, more passionate and 'extroverted' way, who according to the video was in prison for 2 years even though he was innocent and got nothing as retribution for his wrongful incarceration whereas the man who was the main focus of the video was kept in jail for a few days and got a lot of money. I'm not sure if that ginger man was in fact in the US but it sounded like it.
10 likesHope I've cleared it up for you
Yeah it was satisfying because my blood was starting to boil over lol
9 likes@Jagoda M damn dude deleted his comments and his whole account 😂😂 ironiclly the only person "trying to stir up conflict" was him
3 likesWhy is it people feel the need to repeat what has been played..is it because they think everyone are dumb arses like themselves?
2 likesYes but isn't that in Canada?
0 likes@Jagoda M and now this is even more confusing because his comments are gone lol
3 likes@LurKing now I want someone else to tell me what happened? 😂
0 likesAt least say “SPOILER ALERT” man :/
1 likeNow imagine you have a prosecutor who covers up for bad cops and jury pool of richer upper class white old retirees that are Republicans and law and order folks. You are always guilty until you are proven innocent, which is long after you have rotted in prison.
0 likes46k in 2.5 days? I'd take that :D
3 likesIn Canada you still know what decency means. Here in France, cops can severely injure peaceful demonstrators and get a medal for that.
2 likesStart with “spoiler alert”! Lol
0 likes@P W Police force gets gravels thrown at them and are disrespected in every kind of way possible but stay calm. For every case of police over reactiv there is much more cases of demonstrators injuring and disrespecting police and getting out of it with nothing.
1 likeA few days ago a woman threatened the police with an assault rifle for several minutes after she was "disarmed" peacefuly instead of shooting at her. You can say whatever you want but French Police is among the most respectful one you can find. Go "peacefuly" demonstrate in the US or in China and see what happens :)
Sadly in the vast majority of cases where people are falsely accused by officers, they end up having their lives ruined, lose huge amounts of time rotting in a jail cell and receive no compensation for it whatsoever, while the officers who unlawfully arrested them face no consequences of any form
1 like@Genoxe
1 likeYou're free to believe whatever helps you sleep at night.
For your information: French police was put under heavy criticism by the UN and by the European Court for Human Rights.
@Ayden Sereda well... this is undoubtedly because the department in question was afraid of being accused of racist intentions, so they informed the public of the penalty given to reprimand the investigators who fid this to him. They were looking for a promotion. They clearly did not care about the definitive innocence of the suspect. If i had to say so myself, they could have chosen Michael for the reason that they did not care about ruining his life. They were racist and he was black.
1 likeSorry about rambling, and I know it might seem like I might be saying this just because it’s cool to be “woke”. However, this is really and truly just what I believe about the situation.
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0 likes100%
0 likesYeah right, it’s like listening to Jon Solo and hearing how they tortured the bad guys at the end in the OG stories
0 likesThanks for the spoiler man :/
0 likes@Mysterio watch the video before reading comments instead.
0 likes@Rya J The comment on the jury are kinda unneeded tbh anyone can be fooled by the other components of the situation you mentioned regardless of race, age, or political party.
0 likes@SpicyTee The real point is that it doesn't actually matter if it was because of racism or not; this type of behavior of falsely accusing innocent people should be punished and not rewarded.
0 likesDoesn't matter who does it or who it happens to, nor does it matter why it was done. It isn't a good thing.
SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY?!?! That's IT??
0 likesI'm glad... freaking hell I'm ashamed to have an officer like that in Canada. No room for that bullshit. It's one thing for a cop to play it heavy handed leading the suspect to believe that he has more than he does... but this guy is straight out just laying it on thick basically threatening the guy when he literally has no reason to believe that he did it.
0 likes@Ayden Sereda he was a prior felon though who committed robbery, this guy was inocent
0 likes@Weed WRLD so u think there was nothing wrong that happened?
0 likeswondering what all the dislikes are about..
0 likesguys can you prove innocence by showing your video game history or like you're watching youtube at that time? or Facebook?
0 likes@GeeWee You say that without knowledge that other justice systems are just as corrupt; an example being Japan's justice system in that it's true that there is a very small amount of people they wrongly imprison, but the small amount who do will probably never get out because of their systems' general unwillingness to admit wrongdoing
0 likesDemotion and a suspension are waaaay less than they deserved. They had a description of a short white man and they arrest, ignore, and charge a tall black man. It doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to not fuck that up. None of them should ever have "detective" in their job description again.
0 likes@Snake - ヘビ you misunderstand me:
0 likesSure, it could have been the detective that was racist. However, that is not the real conflict I was discussing. The reality is that the PD clearly saw that they would be chastised by the public for the incompetence of their staff. They reacted by giving a compensation to the victim. I just thought that it was completely obnoxious, however, that the falsely accused man was given nothing after spending an undeserved 2 years in prison. Maybe this was racial, maybe it wasn’t. There could have been a different perspective of the story. It could’ve been that they hoped the public would simply forgive the detective’s utter incompetence. But make no mistake. I am not suggesting that there was “black privilege” in this case. This is just a consideration of the possibility that this was racially motivated.
@GeeWee didn’t this happen in Canada?
0 likesVox have a documentary about a black man falsely accused and put in jail for 23 years.
0 likes@GeeWee not American its the person who the cop not their country LOL
0 likes@Ayden Sereda he would have received at minimum $100,000 for being falsely imprisoned for 2 years. The state pays you $140 per day falsely imprisoned once you get released. Not nearly enough for loosing 2 years of your life but he still got at least something.
0 likes@Snake - ヘビ ya ik, I’m stupid
0 likesYony, thanks for mentioning spoiler alert. I didn’t think you would change it. It wasn’t your mistake tho. It’s obv that comments would be related to video. Thanks and sorry. You’re good
1 like@SpicyTee My argument is that the motivation is only minimally important, if relevant at all. Outcomes matter a lot more.
0 likesI was looking for investigations on youtube, I couldn't find the channel, now here's only 14 comments, what's going on JCS
0 likesWill JCS ever make videos again?
0 likes“Yeah sorry buddy, unfortunately I’m from down unda, and you’re facked mate. We don’t tolerate that breakin in biznass in Australia and I’m not allowin it’ere either.”
1 likeThis detective is just bad lmaoooo
0 likesCandy sounds like she’s a reliable source of information.
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Candy, amethyst, trinity, amber, chastity, Mercedes. These are all trustworthy women.
171 likes@Blunt Australian idk about kamala because one specific person that really likes to lie
24 likesLmaooo
1 likeWhen you see your name in all capital letters it means you are doing commercial law. And in commercial law, everything stated is true unless evidence is given to its untruthfulness. Meaning you ARE guilty until you rebut it with evidence that you are not.
3 likesJesus loves you ❤
0 likeslol
0 likesThe biggest idiot investigators ever, glad he only stayed in jail for like several days and got a payout for his innocence
8 likes@Dill Bill
4 likesYou forgot the best one, Krystal - spelled with a "K".
@darknessplague Jesus loves you ❤
0 likes@David Jesus loves you ❤
0 likes@RyanSkweeks Jesus as the son of God is a myth.
2 likes@Blunt Australian donald is very reliable aswell
0 likes@Blunt Australian Jesus Christ is the only Jesus you should be worried about
2 likes@RyanSkweeks I hope that you're trolling because if not that just sounds like an obsession.
2 likes@Dormant nope, Jesus is king and why not spread his word:)
2 likes@Dill Bill this a benz mercedes moment
0 likes@Blunt Australian ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! WE HAVE SPOTTED A WILD CLOSETED RACIST!! ALERT!
0 likes@Man of Rice wow the sarcasm completely escaped you my dude
0 likesThat's how women wrongly accuse innocent men.
1 like@Dill Bill oi i know two trinity's and they are pretty chill 😔
0 likesRight!
0 likes"Don't forget your bartenders" Is the last thing Candy hears before clocking out of work, Candy however, is not a bartender.
1 likeBet you it’s Candy But with a “K” 😂
1 like@Man of Rice I am pretty sure Donald is the picture in the dictionary next to the word "Liar"
0 likes@Spicy Valentina I see him spouting a bunch of shit but I think he believes it
1 like@Man of Rice She also sleeps with married men and is corrupt af 😂😂🤣
0 likesFUCK YOUTUBE BRING BACK JCS VIDEOS
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Damn joe Rogan calm down it ain't that srs
1 like26 years old looking 40.
0 likesAnd the police wonder why most people don’t like them…
0 likesDid the other videos just went off? I was watching one yesterday and wanted to continue it today and now its gone
4 likesThe interrogation was basically:
1552 likes“We know you did it so just tell us.”
“TELL YOU WHAT?!?”
“If you did it.”
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Lucky he lives in a country where police interviews are recorded and everything can be checked.
48 likesHaha. Nice.
0 likes@123 abc Damn
0 likes"how can I tell you something that I didn't do?"
2 likesHahah
0 likesis that all 46K , he should have been given more than this. disgusting, absolutely disgusting police work, shame on them for doing this.
0 likesA quick look at the thumbnail, I thought it was seth rogen
0 likesDid they remove another video out of spite?
1 likeIt should be invent till proven giiltu
0 likes"Picked him out of a 12 person lineup..." I have personal experience that's completely meaningless, and possibly rigged by cops. My mother was involved (witness) in a non violent bank robbery, and while doing a photo lineup, the police literally pointed at a specific picture, said "could it have been this one?" Then when my mother said it was obviously possible for it to be any of the pictures since she didn't get a good look at the guy, the cops said "I'm going to put down that you said yes."
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@notahotshot lmao
125 likesI cant tell if you're serious lmao, The dudes mother was a witness not a suspect.
209 likes@Kyle Vernon She was involved because she wasn't really a witness either. She didn't even know the bank was robbed until after it was over. She didn't even know who robbed the bank until the cops told her it was the man like 1 or 2 spots ahead of her. I wouldn't really even call that a witness.
61 likes@Kyle Vernon 1.) look up psychological priming. You have issues with that. 2.)Then look up Dunning Kruger effect. You're on the wrong end of it. And lastly the reason you won't actually do either and learn from it is read 1 and 2.
21 likes@Kyle Vernon Just a side note, "projection" comment aside, recognize how aggressively you approached this and lashed without even taking the time to actually review what brought that level of passion up. You may have some things to look over, this wasn't appropriately handled at any stage.
19 likes@Kyle Vernon In reference to the topic, your passions were inflamed. The delivery of justice, as it were. You were too eager, I'm not lamenting justice, but your product in having attempted to serve it. You were wrong about a tiny detail, and that's all it took to make great words for good causes a terrible misstep. It's funny, really. I just wish irony weren't so strange all the time.
11 likesno need to argue in the replies of a comment on a 7 month old video
3 likes@Kyle Vernon well actually a burglary is when you enter somewhere without permission and commit a felony, and a robbery is when you take something from someone forcefully or by threat like the bank ROBBER used, when a weapon is involved it’s called armed robbery, a weapon has nothing to do with it being a burglary or robbery, a weapon would make it aggravated/armed which makes it a worser charge
4 likesI was in an incident many many moons ago, before the 'makeshift' line up was due my solicitor asked me if i had a lucky number, i told what my number was. Months later in the 'makeshift' lineup in the police station, There was about 8-10 of us ,but it just didnt feel right in there. Cops were asking if everything was ok, i said no summins not right and the lad next to me said there was a weak spot-light pointing straight at me. I said to the Police about it and asked em to move it off me they said they couldn't it was fixed or summin along those line. the lad next to me pulled up a desk/table jumped up on it, pulled his sleeve over his hand and hit it out of the way. The lad who was supposed to pick me out didn't have a fucking clue.
5 likesDon't fucking trust your solicitor who is supposed to be on your side. Months later it got threw out of court , lack of evidence.
@Kyle Vernon when you punch someone in the face you get charged with assault right? if you swing a baseball hat over their head it makes it aggravated assault because you were using a weapon, which is a felony and much worse than assault
1 like@Kyle Vernon just like that dude robbed the bank, he didn’t burglarize it, and because he wasn’t using a weapon it’s not armed robbery, it’s just a robbery, the weapon would just make it armed which is much worse
3 likes@Kyle Vernon i guess another way to put it would be- robbing someone is stripping them of their possessions, or in the case of a bank robbing the teller, burglary is entering somewhere and taking something, you’re not robbing anyone, you’re burglarizing their property
3 likesWow
0 likesHow do people not realise robert meant she was the victim not the robber.
3 likes@Kyle Vernon I don't support the BLM movement. While I agree with the basic principal of it, the riots caused a great deal of harm to people who had done no harm themselves.
2 likesI also feel that singling out a particular ethnicity as the victims of police misconduct is counter-producive to the real issue.
My point was, that police officers do shoot unarmed individuals, and individuals who are not behaving threateningly towards them, more often than is acceptable.
@Kyle Vernon my definitions are exactly the same just worded differently you should go read over them again
3 likes@Kyle Vernon i’m just blown away at the fact that you think having a weapon makes it a robbery, it doesn’t at all, having a weapon makes it aggravated/armed
2 likes@Robert Campbell so it was a theft??? damn u shouldve just said she was a witness in a bank theft
3 likes@Blama no a theft is a whole different charge😂, just like a burglary😂, a robbery, a theft, a burglary, and trespassing, are all completely DIFFERENT things
1 like@Tractor Tim Oh no aggravated robbery help
1 like@Tractor Tim no way professor how did you figure out that all of these forms of stealing are different?
1 like@Kyle Vernon it's time to stop
4 likes@Kyle Vernon so back to your original comment, how does not having a weapon make a robbery a burglary? and having a weapon somehow instantly makes a burglary a robbery?
1 like@Kyle Vernon when you are burglarizing you get charged with burglary, having a weapon does 100% effect the case i know from experience i’m a convicted felon i’ve been charged with aggravated burglary, if a gun is not involved it makes it a burglary which is not a felony or near as bad, having a weapon makes it aggravated which very much does matter in court
0 likesSo yes, it could have possibly been him..
0 likes@Kyle Vernon a burglary can not b a robbery they are 2 different things
1 likeIn psychology class we watched a video of a mock bank robbery and had to pick the robber out of a line-up. Barely anyone picked the right guy. Line-ups aren’t very useful.
1 likeWHAT??
1 likethey took that as a yes. When she didnt even know or see. WUAH
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I will never trust police anymore. Geezuz
Please don't reply to this, didn't see 80 other people had it covered, comments were loading slowly, don't wanna talk to you
0 likes@Kyle Vernon imagine being this stubborn. you could literally just have ignored it after everyone rightfully bashed you lmao, but you just had to come back and embarrass yourself more
0 likes@Robert Campbell I can't believe this person is trying to act like you were at fault. They clearly did not read beyond the first sentence because there is a 0% chance they could mistake her for anything other than a witness after the first sentence. Regardless of any confusion the first sentence may initially cause.
0 likes@Kyle Vernon Saying that pointing at the photo doesn't matter. Especially given that the person's mother didn't say "Yes it was that person," but said, "Well, I didn't get a good look. So I can't rule that person out. I agree Dunning-Kruger is not involved here. But your first point makes absolutely no sense.
0 likesThe worst part is he still tried to defend himself even though he was clearly wrong
0 likesI know I could never identify someone from a police lineup because I don’t look at people close enough.
0 likesI really wanna know what happened here but I can tell by the fact that this Kyle Vernon guy deleted all his messages that he realized he fucked up. Good job guys
7 likesDamn what did you do kyle
3 likes@Oeilerspraann same boat here lol
1 likeLooool F in the chat for Kyle
0 likes@Micheal Cherrington srry i have no idea wat this guy said bekuz his comment wad deleted. Wat happened exactly?
3 likesIf you had to pick one of this guys as the perpetrator, who would you choose, and why 6th and 8th?
1 like@Tractor Tim worser has never been a word
0 likesThey just want to get further with the case within a small time frame and that’s so scary honestly especially if you have the ‘stereotypical looks of a bad guy’
0 likes@Robert Campbell hey hey maybe they read it wrong don’t worry sometimes we are sleepy and read comments wrong they probably meant well
1 likewhat do you mean
0 likesDarn 16 hours late to the party. Kyle already deleted his comment so now I have to assume he said something incredibly stupid yet amusing
2 likes@taffy I agree
0 likesIt would be devastating if somebody quoted his comment....
1 like@3AM Anxiety same, my curious ass hate it
0 likes@TL Doctor looks like you still got my point tho 🤷🏻♂️
0 likesOof.
0 likes@3AM Anxiety Kyle basically said the main commenters mom was the bank robber😂 then continued to say it was a burglary because it was a “non violent robbery” and supposedly “having a weapon would instantly make it a robbery”😂😂
0 likes@HalvSketchy ^^
0 likes@Tractor Tim He was also really combative and aggressive about it too. Like, "Do the CRIME, do the TIME!! JUSTICE!!!!!!"
1 like'Involved' in a bank robbery is vague and if you primed the reader with 'picked him out of a 12 person lineup.' the first thought would be that she was part of the line up. Not to mention the video focuses on alleged criminals.
0 likesYou do bring up that she was doing the picking at the end, so if we read the entire thing we'll know she was the witness. But it wasn't the most straightforward writing ever and I can understand if someone was skimming or a non native speaker they would be confused. This comment thread needs to calm down.
@Tractor Tim LMAO
0 likes@Lucy well we was only attacking Kyle because he came back with a hostile comment about his mom being the suspect and called him dumb and etc., and then topped off his comment with calling a non violent robbery a “burglary”, we was just giving him back the same energy
0 likes@Lucy That's Kyle's fault for not reading the entire comment and talking about whatever story he made up on his own..
1 like@Lucy You'll notice that there were no comments directed toward the first person in the thread who thought that, because they were generally friendly about it. Kyle came in extremely rudely, calling names and talking about JUSTICE!!!!! When it was explained afterwards, he doubled down on the whole thing rather than just move on.
0 likes@Robert Campbell I deleted my comments because people kept coming to other parts of YouTube especially my account and harassing me. Now that I’ve deleted it, you people are still spread lies about me and they’re still harassing me. Not once did I call you dumb or anyone else a rude name.
0 likesI never “doubled down” that your mom was the suspect, I recognized my mistake. All I said that maybe you shouldn’t have worded it that way. The only doubling down I did was explaining to the other guy there was no such thing as a non violent robbery because a robbery requires the threat of violence which causes psychological harm. He didn’t even know the difference of Aggravated vs Armed Robbery. Not once did I say a Burglary was just a non violent robbery. You’re just trying to put words in my mouth. I said burglaries can become robberies simply by bringing a gun and having the threat of violence against someone. That’s literally true and you can look it up.
You’re going to harass me anyways so I’d rather it be here than you psychos going to my channel.
@Oeilerspraann I didn’t realize I “fucked up”, people were harassing me that’s all. Unfortunately after deleting the comments, people felt more inclined to seek me out especially on my channel. So it’s better to keep the harassment contained to this thread than to spread to other places.
0 likesKyle's back everyone...
0 likes@Robert Campbell haha 👌🏻
0 likes@Kyle Vernon Hi Kyle, so a couple things. One, You were given back the energy you put out. When your initial comment was aggressive and insulting after you clearly didn't read the entire post, that was the energy you got back. You continued in that vein, regardless of whether you were right or wrong in your points, being aggressive and insulting. Two, I added the clarification after a couple more people brought up the possible confusion in a far more friendly and respectful manner, while they acknowledged that simply reading beyond the first sentence would make it obvious what the post was referring to. One even wondered if English might not be your first language. That said, people shouldn't be following you to your channel to pile on. So hopefully that stops.
0 likes@Robert Campbell Okay I know my original comment was somewhat “aggressive” on the sense of passion, but I didn’t call anyone names or anything. I wasn’t insulting. It wasn’t a Hot Take.
0 likesAll I said is that “if your mother did the crime, then it would be an injustice if anyone else but her was picked in the lineup. Justice was served! Also, there’s no such thing as a non-violent robbery, the threat of violence is just as psychologically harmful”. So, assuming she was the actual criminal, then it wouldn’t be that bad. What’s bad is not reading the rest of your paragraph and I admitted that.
An equal response would be someone saying I got it wrong(ps - a lot of people got it wrong, at least 100 people liked the first comment in this thread)not people insulting me and some of them harassing me on my channel.
Also if I were to remember, any swear words I used were next to adjectives/verbs not next to people, because they were not insults they were emphasis.
@Kyle Vernon Well we both know that isn't exactly what you said, and that certainly wasn't the amount of capitalization or punctuation you used. Maybe that's how you remember it, but it's not accurate. Still, I'm done with it so all good on my end.
0 likes@Robert Campbell Okay, I’m good with you now too. 👍
0 likesWhat a really bad detective. He makes me ashamed to be British
0 likesI went through exactly what these guys did. I was arrested and charged with a crime I absolutely did not commit and the cops claimed to have me on video committing the crime. I was taken to the county jail even though I professed my innocence over and over and was. Then after two days in they came and let me out and told me the charges had been dropped. I never got a lawyer after but now I think I should have sued them!
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Definitely should have sued them
110 likesMe trying to find who asked 👀
4 likes@Bombei this is a comment on the topic of the video, dude 👀
176 likes@Bombei people don’t have to be asked in order to share an a anecdote
112 likes@Luna LMAOOOO 😭😭
28 likes@Bombei Me trying to find who even needed you to ask👀
43 likes@Zoe Main yes they do
1 like@Luna yeh my dog
1 like@Anouk you
1 like@Bombei lmao 😅😂🤣😂😫
1 like@Bombei damn trying to cut someone with all that edge?
9 likes@Nex coming from someone with that profile picture????
1 like@Bombei me trying to find who asked that people need to ask for things👀
3 likesIt is I, I Asked
1 like@Chricyan Me trying to find who asked 👀
1 likeEvery comment against me boosts my confidence
1 like@Nex my point is that you should give up
1 like@Zoe Main yes they do
1 like@Bombei did it really take you 11 days to come up with that
4 likes@Nex was looking back and saw it b
0 likes@Nex actually yes, yes it did take me 11 days
2 likes@Bombei me, who did not ask but is happy to learn this information
1 like@Bombei lame
2 likes@humonguschunggus - no
0 likeswere you never ready your miranda rights?
0 likesCould've gotten millions
0 likesWhy did you talk with them without a lawyer?
0 likesNever speak to the police right after your arrest. This should be broadcasted at the end of every episode. Demand a lawyer, plead the fifth. Doesn't matter if your %1000 innocent.
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...this should be taught in school.
10 likes@Steve Burke but that would be useful, which is the exact opposite of the point of schools
23 likes@Steve Burke if it's more than 5 dollars, it's not a possibility
1 likeNot the 5th (US at least). U plead the 6th… to have a lawyer present for any and all questions. The 5th merely invokes your right to remain silent. And sometimes that can be brought up in front of a jury by prosecutors because a lot of idiots have the mentality of “if u are innocent, u would answer questions”. The beauty of claiming your 6th Amendment right is no prosecutor can claim to a jury u didn’t want to answer questions. All u said was u wanted a lawyer present for any questions.
0 likesOne of my biggest fears is being accused of a crime, or going to prison/ being taken against my own will. This must have been terrifying.
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Silence is absolutely golden. If you have the willpower and fortitude to power through every nasty thing they throw at you with "I would like a lawyer", the burden of proof lies on them and them alone.
8 likesAndy Dufresne feels you
0 likesI feel he should’ve gotten more than $46,000 and I also feel those involved in the case should have been fired. Either way, glad he was paid and there was disciplinary action taken.
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Im sure being demoted for those power hungry pricks hurts a lot.
1 likeI think $46,000 is reasonable for a week in a cell. I mean, I know I'd be down for that, that's a lot of money lmao
1 likeThen again, a week of not knowing whether or not you're gonna be wrongfully imprisoned is a bit different
@Rocco Don't forget its not just $46,000 profit. The lawyer he used to win the civil case would get a major chunk out of that $46,000 for their work.
2 likes"I have a duty, the truth is paramount " as he spews bullshit in every word. What a solid guy
85 likesGetting caught up in the justice system by lazy or incompetent police work is one of the scariest things that can happen to you.
12 likesNever, ever, under any circumstances, ever speak to the cops without a lawyer. NEVER!
12 likesIncredible composure of that man, up against a lying and completely inadequate interrogator. That false video claim was the work of an idiot. The failed logic, to someone who knew he was innocent, meant he knew from that point he was being handled by an idiot.
6 likesThe compo' he received was also far short of what he should have received.
One thing that makes my blood boil is injustice. This also includes a miscarriage of justice. I've just reached the 2nd video regarding Justin, and this man better not be jailed for 2 years or I'm going to throw something! It just makes me that angry.
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"The interrogating officer and three other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay." Damn phucking right, but they should be fired and charged for something.
4 likesI can't help but admire the calmness and politeness of Michael. He is even thinking about the consequences of not showing up at work the following day.
17 likesI get more nervous in way more trivial situations and he keeps his composure in such a nerve wrecking moment.
I think what's really interesting is, for me, it makes intuitive sense for guilty parties to be hostile and innocent parties to be co-operative. Guilty parties don't want to be found guilty, so would perhaps resort to intimidation and feigned moral outrage to attempt to defend themselves, and innocent parties might think "hey, I'll just co-operate, I'm sure the police will find me innocent, let's not antagonise them so I don't in fact look guilty."
2 likesIt's interesting that the opposite is true. Innocent parties are not concerned with what the cops will think of them in the first place. On account of them being innocent, they may not really know why the police are interested in talking to them - maybe it's something routine, maybe it's some sort of mistake, whatever. When suddenly confronted with the possibility of years in prison, rationality and temperament may (entirely justifiably) go right out of the window., and how the officers might perceive them isn't something that enters their thought process. They're too busy digesting that sharp shock to the system.
The guilty already know why they are in the interrogation room to begin with, so the cogs start turning. "How do I make myself look like a good, honest, God-fearing citizen? How do I make them believe I'm a nice person who'd never do such a thing?" So they concoct a story. They present a facade.
Justice can be so wonderfull. Deep respect for the victem in this case for being so patient
2 likesCouldn’t they have saved a whole lot of time and saved this poor innocent man from having to go through the process of being questioned for two hours had the police just asked the bus driver or someone else on the bus to verify he was on the bus while the jewellery store was being robbed?
5 likesSo surreal watching this cause I went through almost the EXACT same thing. A vehicle was set on fire and I was arrested jailed and interrogated for 3 days. It wasnt until half way through day two before I even knew what it was I appearently did. Either way, I reacted almost IDENTICALLY to him, but boy was it ever scary
2 likesAnyone that would bully their way to a conviction of an innocent person is a soulless ghoul.
2 likesSo good to hear about the demotion. As punishment for lying, they should be put in jail. Let's find who this investigator is and make his life a living hell.
9 likesThe problem with the words “Guilty until proven innocent” is that there is a lot of innocent men in Prison that were given a very unfair and bias trial.
1 likeIf I ever abducted an innocent person and held them against their will for 3 days, I'd get a lot more than a demotion
7 likesHow exactly was the police department intending to prove the case against him? Did he eat the jewelry! ...probably the most ridiculous circumstantial evidence laden case. And yet there is a judge out there who would have been happy to convict.
1 likeBeautiful ending. Michael’s behaviour was exceptional 👏🏼
1 likeDamn Justin has some straight up PTSD from his first three years.
9 likesMichael was described just like me and he reacts precisely how I'd probably act in the situation if I were caught off guard with an arrest like he was.
0 likesR.I.P. JCS you will forever be the king of true crime.
2 likesUntil your return…farewell.
I am glad to live in germany for reasons like that.
0 likesA Officer cant get you to a confession with Things like „we got DNA proofs, of camera footage“ when they have nothing.
And if an officer would still do it and you confess, this confession does Not count as an proof bc its illegal
"This detective has either forgotten standard procedure or FOR SOME REASON has decided to reject it all together"... gosh and golly, i wonder what reason that could be!
2 likesThe climax of this video is a massive release. I can't be the only one who felt that. Knowing the dude is innocent, and that cop making shit up to try and get him to confess, then hearing the aftermath. I've had HJ's that weren't that good.
0 likesI’ll never understand why suspects agree to voluntarily talk innocent or not. After you’re told you can leave anytime they should always vehemently deny deny deny, and proceed to walk out. This thought process of if I show up and agree to talk will make me seem innocent is horseshit.
6 likesI'm a total "law and order, pro police" kinda guy.... BUT..... When cops do this kind of crap, they really should be fired. They have no business being cops.
1 likeWhat a calm and collected gentleman, didnt for once get belligerent, well deserves that money and those lying pos investigators should of been fired immediately
0 likesThose interogators deserve prison sentences
2 likesI was confronted by police on my parents front porch at the age of 16. They told me they knew it was me because they had a witness that saw me go in the direction of the crime on the date of the crime. I realised it was my 14 yo neighbor because he had stole my Offspring cassette tape. And my dad told the police that he found him in our house when he arrived home one day. They ran off to his house.
0 likes$46.000 out of taxpayers pocket 😒
2 likesThat POS dirty cop should have to pay it from his OWN savings!
Bet he would have done a better, honest job going forward.
Lmao it is always SO funny to me your ending of just “the officers were demoted and suspended without pay” video ends like it’s just like YEAH BUDS YOU FUCKED UP
2 likesA lady here in the U.S. was just awarded $2M for being wrongly hassled by Walmart for allegedly shoplifting $40 worth of groceries. This guy gets worked over by the cops for three days and gets only $46k? 😤
1 likePlease tell me this “detective” is now unemployed in any field related to investigations and law.
0 likesIf a person is wrongfully in prisoner, everyone, from the interrogators to the arresting officers, should lose their jobs and be jailed for the same amount of time.
0 likesThis Is Fu%$#@! Despicable!! Poor dudes
3 likesWhew, thank you for the happy ending, that was terrifying.
0 likesaww man, the best part of this entire video is when the detective got what he deserved!!! :))
1 likeRemember, if you are EVER brought in by the police, get a lawyer. Say NOTHING! You don’t know if your the suspect. You don’t know if you’ll make one stupid mistake. You don’t know if the officer will lie that you said something else. The officer can use your demeanor while communicating against. Officers don’t serve, they arrest. Plead the fifth, get a lawyer. If they are serious or have anything against you, you just saved your life a jail sentence. If they aren’t, they’ll leave you be. You can only win by not talking.
1 likeImagine how much he pissed the investigator off when he was like hey man .. are you bluffing.. cause like.. if you have me on camera why tf are we still sitting here lolz😂
1 likeAtleast michael's story had a good turn i believe compensation should be even more for a traumatic experience of facing years in jail over a crime you didnt commit.
1 likepretty frustrating, glad he got compensated
1 likei feel like no one is talking about how differently this is handled with a white man and a black man. a black man is taught how to act around police whereas white men have the privilege to act however they please
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Exactly. A black man can't dare get angry in defence of himself, because it'll be taken as aggression. With potentially lethal consequences.
6 likesOh please
1 like@The Grove Are you caucasian?
1 likethat's why the white man ended in jail, isn't it? Doesn't make sense at all.
3 likesdont make this a race thing please
0 likescoming from someone who lives in the city the Hamilton police are INCOMPETENT. And will try and openly accuse people for the stupidest of things (tried accusing me of theft for returning lost passports to the police station) thats some pretty pathetic low levels of fishing so was pretty interesting seeing them mentioned in this video.. and the fact the incident was from almost 20 years ago so shows nothing has changed
0 likesThe British investigator is an absolute disgrace. He needs huge amounts of training to even be a beat cop.
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I don't understand why a British investigator is working in Canada lol weird
0 likesDoes anyone else feel like they’re ready to be interviewed after binging these videos
0 likesI am glad the investigators got what they deserved, they were bent on falsely locking up the innocent guy.
0 likes"demoted and suspended without pay." one of the satisfying most cop retributions ever ;)
0 likesMichael is so calm, because he still is not aware how these things work :)
0 likesThe cops wrongfully imprisoned me in Alaska, stripped me naked, and let everyone look at me. One of the prisoners there, felt bad and covered my nakedness. He was thrown the floor to teach the others a lesson. The cops are InCharge and no one else. What can I do about the humiliation they put me through? I proved my innocents, and I now hurt, mind and body. I have arthritis in the joints I slept on naked on the concrete floor.
1 likeI was accused of breaking my ex's car window and they kept claiming it was on video. I just kept asking to see the video. Guess what was never produced?
0 likeswow, im so happy to hear the end result! 100p justice
1 likeLiterally how America, the land of the free, operates. No benefit of the doubt when people have beliefs they learned as children.
3 likesWhat is the criteria to become a cop anyways? A "C" average and a little man complex that you're going to symbolically stick it to everyone that belittled you in high school because you deliberately sought a job to be in a power position with very little accountability? I'm Canadian and I'd like to imagine it's better here but it seems it's not at all.
2 likesThe police system is a big joke 💀. Innocent until proven guilty, but they say his innocence is out of discussion with 0 evidence
0 likesAny false detainment or imprisonment should be compensated dearly and neglegent investigators fired, fined, and/or imprisoned
0 likesIm glad this man got restitution
1 likeHOLY ****, the perpetrators were demoted and suspended without pay? That could never happen in the US. How do you do it? What is it about your system that makes it possible for there to be limits to omertà? Here, it's unimaginable that any cop would ever do anything that could contribute to another cop getting punished for official malfeasance.
0 likesWhen the detective says they have evidence against you call there bluff because I'm sure they don't.
0 likesI have more concern for inocent people going to jail than criminal charged less than what they suppose to be.
0 likesBig ups to Bruce Rivers.. he brought me to JCS
1 likeit's true, they don't know how we act, they get things wrong sometimes, they try to pull bluffs
0 likesHe was emotionally terrorized and all he got was 46,000, at least he should’ve gotten to punch that cop.
0 likesThat's how it's always been in the US "Guilty until proven innocent".
1 likeGetting a confession without evidence = promotion. Want to succeed? Simply circumvent the concept of Justice. Why has this practice not been deincentivized?
0 likesGet representation at all times when talking to the fuzz. Protect ya Neck
2 likesFour nights, didn't do it, charges dropped. I've never trusted them since.
1 likeShould have been way more that $43,000 dollars. Glad the detectives got demoted.
0 likesIt angers people when they are accused of something they didn't do. I know.
0 likesI hope the 46k even covered the cost of his lawyers in the civil trial.
0 likes1st guy: Yeah no I didn't do it, so I can not answer that question.
0 likes2nd guy: I WAS NOT THERE, CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
Tunnel vision will get you killed in some occupations. Thank goodness those detectives aren't airline pilots.
0 likesNice to see Canada punishes their police for not doing their job. These are peoples’ lives.
1 likeThe officers should've been, at the very least, fired and never get any job working with the public or jailed.
0 likesSo glad he sued and got money and they all got demoted and suspended
1 likeI hope he sued the hell out of them!
0 likes$46k for missing a day of work? Not too shabby
1 likeHey everyone - did for some of you recent uploaded videos of this channel disappear?
8 likesThis one is the latest now for me ..
There was the "Christmas with Cliff" video for example.. thats gone too 🤔
They did a nut job on the first guy. Poor man, but at least he got paid a lot for what he had to go through
0 likesI’m not sure if I’d be able to keep myself together after all the gaslighting. Far too often in past relationships the men i dated made me feel like had gone crazy, saying I did stuff I never did nor say, tell me that everyone agrees with him, all that crap. I literally break down every time thinking that I’ve lost my mind and did horrible things and that what I’m thinking isn’t ever true
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My ex did that shit I caught her cheating and she still trying to make me think I was crazy lmao
1 like@billy bob that’s exactly what happened to me!!! I literally walked in on them and he someone convinced me that I was just seeing what I wanted to see
1 like@K I feel you, people are horrible and completely insane. Atleast we learned a lot of lessons!
1 likeDamn, you guys should've reported them or speak to someone else
0 likes@Saif Ullah Khan unfortunately, people don’t take the victim seriously
1 likeThe worst that's ever happened to me was when I found out that my crush turned out to be a lesbian and started dating another woman. Thank goodness I never pursued a relationship in the first place eh?
0 likes@Saif Ullah Khan and they run off and spew more lies and tell everyone how horrible you are lmao its actually insane my ex told her family that i was physically abusing her which is the complete opposite.
1 like@billy bob You and @K could try taking some sort of a legal action if you can idk
2 likes@Saif Ullah Khan I want to try to, I’m a 20 year old girl, and one of my exes would do “it” to me while I was sleeping until I would wake up. Made me realize that that’s not okay after I ended things
0 likes@billy bob YES! My ex went around saying that I was crazy and cheated on him then was spreading rumors that I would hit him! They do literally everything in their power to have control over you. I don’t let them anymore, I showed all the proof that I was innocent and then let the words roll off my shoulders
0 likesI see, I am going to stop replying now because to be honest I am not adding anything helpful in this thread whatsoever and probably wasting time for both of you to be honest. I am in no way in shape or form of being qualified enough to chat about this subject other than just say the things I have already said. Sorry for wasting time and I hope you 2 have a great life onwards
0 likes@Saif Ullah Khan you’re fine!
0 likesYay!!! Justice was served.....eventually
1 like@5:51 my mom has had that exact chair for about 20 years now lmao
0 likeswaisting time investigating a guy which is tall and black,the opposite of what was said by the witness,just to make a step ahead in their career.Imagine the alibi was not proven correct for this guy.I cannot imagine how many persons were charged like this and didnt know what to do and ended up in prison.
0 likesThis is why in Australia we call police! "Dogs" in Australia to be called a dog is the lowest of the food chain!
0 likesWhy was it ok for the cops to lie and be dishonest he should be able to sue the cops for defamation and and the department
0 likes"suspect is a small white male similar to Seth Green"
1 likebrings back Terry Crews.
Demoted?? They should be fired…. And he should get their pensions at least
1 likeSome folk dont care whos lives they ruin chasing their promotion and seems like theres a ton of them concentrated at police stations around the world.
1 likei was trying to figure out why this guy is so nice. its cause he is from canada
1 liketen points for the accused. if he now is without bitterness ten more.
0 likes9:20 - As God is my (expletive) witness, I did not do this..... Horrible blasphemy right there
0 likesCan't these folks ask for lawyers?
1 likewhy didn't they just asked his manager if he was at work and how long he was at work. If they had done that first such thing wouldn't had happened.
0 likesdid anyone else read the description exactly when he said it?
0 likesdetective needs to be fired
1 likeLearn these statements. 1. Is there any reason to believe a crime has been committed? 2. If so am I being detained? 3. Am I free to go? Say that on repeat until they let you go.
1 like"Mark of Merit" 😔
0 likesdespicable cop "work"
1 likeVideos like these only further the image of the police being some of the laziest professionals.
0 likesTry to upload your videos but do not list them, the community will quickly know how to search for them. I don't know if you can monetize them, nor would I know if this is a viable option.
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If the option is viable, let us know through the community option
1 like@José Francisco Navarrete Orozco what happened
0 likes@Zeke Brunt there is a video on his other channel.J C S YouTube have taken some of his videos dowb
0 likes46k for 3 days, yo if I was him I would stay there for few more days 😂
0 likesWhat’s sad is that the caller described him as a small white male and they pick up a tall black man off the street and interrogate him with a crime.
1 likeWoah $$$ makes me want to be wrongfully charged for 3.5 days. Lol
0 likesThe truth is paramount. You can tell this guy is innocent. Just a nice guy.
0 likesThis is scary. What ever happened to follow the evidence?
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exactly my thoughts!
0 likesThat Cop is A DISGRACE to every Cop in the WORLD!!!!!!
0 likesThe detective who dealt with Michael is English by the sound of his accent ..
0 likesThey always say they know you did it. That's what they are trained to say.
0 likesOMG what a effin balls up!! Poor, polite, patient Bastard! And that investigators!! No, I’m serious, is that rookie for real? Shameful.
0 likesNever talk. Call a lawyer
1 likeI'm going to charge you tonight, however... (unfortunately..) I do have a duty to look for the truth and I will (I guess since I have to and at some point in the future, and after your already in a cell because I already decided it was you...)" investigate ".
0 likesDo we know the gentleman’s name in this video? 3.5 days in jail is a big fucking deal.
0 likesHaha, the ending... satisfaction.
0 likesThese people should not be detectives they don’t know how to do their job
1 likeYouTube, put this man's videos back up! There are videos on here of people eating live sea creatures, for god's sake, but you take down these vids? I've seen so much worse on here, over the years. Saw a man blow his brains out with a revolver on YouTube a few years ago. I could probably find it again, if I tried hard enough. The golden age is well and truly dead.
7 likesWe can all rest easy knowing that police officer now is a police officer who makes less money
0 likes46K for 3 days in jail? doesn't sounds that bad
0 likesI really don't get why people even TALK to the cops. I want my laywer. I need water. I need the bathroom. that is it. the only words I would speak. I was once fired from a job because they accused me of breaking propoerty on my day off. I wasn't even on the propoerty the day it happend. The next day I went to work, they fired me, than had me sit down with their "laywer" who told me I had to pay them for the damages. I told this "laywer" the only way I would pay for any damages is if and when you file a police report and I am found guilty. So go ahead and file the report. They never did, I didn't pay a dime. Turned out later the head of security broke the propoerty and tried to pin it on me, he was fired a few months later for something else.
0 likesOne word "lawyer. " don't answer any questions.
0 likesGet a fucking lawyer! Always! Immediately!
0 likesRelaxing ending 🙂
0 likesThe difference in a response between an ex-con and a no priors guy is understandable..
0 likesTwo incompetent detectives
0 likesWhat an asshole that investigator is.
0 likesNot only does he deserve to be demoted he deserves to be fired and never serve as a police officer again.
And I think it's fair that he got $46000 for 3 days of being incarcerated those are 3 days he will never Get back because of the police officers.
So that's very fair. Although I wish he would have got a million dollars or more That is time he will never get back and my time is worth a lot money. And everyone should be valued highly.
The officers involved were Oliver Mann, Christian Beaulne and Jason Leek.
0 likesguilty or innocent makes no difference when everyone is acting like he is the main man, big deal, bigger than you, tougher than you, the whole society's attitude is to hate each other and not give a shit what happens to the other person, rotten and disgusting place to try and live in.
0 likesThe police don't lie cos they want to they have to it would be very difficult to solve many cases without lying and alot of people they talk to lie so it does give them that edge and the end justifies the means
0 likesI hope he sued for big money $$$$! He was a total gentlemen that entire time.
0 likes3:20 The detective is just saying "im a pig"
0 likesHis behaviour is not an anomaly to me, his behaviour is from a well educated black guy who has been brought up to be fearful of the police for good reasons like this.
0 likesJustin shouldve known to get a lawyer. Cmon man.
0 likesThis Narrator is like a mix between Dick Cavett and Rod Serling
0 likes8/15/03 interrogator is the worst Ive ever heard
1 likeThis is why you NEVER talk to the police... let your lawyer do it.. because they will lock you in a cage for the rest of your life and not care
0 likesSo glad the idiot detectives were demoted and suspended.
0 likesGlad the the corrupt cops got Farva'd.
0 likesWhere's the Cliff Burns video? The Nikolas Cruz video? Just... Gone?
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youtube is making him delete them
5 likesThis infuriates me!!!!!
1 likeMichael: “So view the video camera.”
529 likesDetective: “I have.”
Michael: “Ok.”
Detective: 🤥
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"Its not a game of poker" 🤥🃏
34 likesO
1 likeAt no point does he say "Show me the video". Weird.
6 likes@UnCreative Deconstructionism it actually is a game of poker. You have to tell the suspect you know but you have to hide your hand of cards so to speak.
3 likes@Simon considering this is video showing personality traits I see nothing weird about it.
2 likes@Simon As an awkward introvert myself, he was probably panicking inside and didn't think of it on the spot. Our minds instinctively go to "what do I have to do to prove this" instead of "what are YOU going to do to prove it"
8 likesYeah, it is a game of poker. And Michael was far too agreeable on this point.
5 likesI had something similar happen when I was 15. I was accused of hitting someone, unprovoked, in the chest while at my first haunted house. All the fellow employees of the guy were also claiming this, when none of them could have seen what happened. The reality was the guy startled me when I was inches away from him and I pushed him. The cops claimed he had a large red, swollen spot on his chest. I told them flat out that was not true and demanded they show me. In the end the cops believed me over him and his lying co-workers.
Don’t be afraid to call someone’s bluff and lean on them when you know they’re lying.
@Mohd Lad95 is that a big Lebowski reference? Mark it zero?
0 likesPolice are trained to bluff, this isnt bad on its own. But when they Incentivise "cooperation" or essentially claiming you did the crime in exchange for less jail time, they can get innocent people to incriminate themselves so they dont get a WORSE punishment. Police will say things like 'we'll help you' but make this conditional of copping to the crime.
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aiden, they always get innocents hooked on this even though they were all aware they dealing with a innocent person. only goal is to close the case .
73 likeseven if you're actually guilty, you should still wait for your lawyer before striking any such deal.
33 likesPolice are allowed to lie, and if they arrest an innocent person, nothing happens to them. Innocent people who tell the truth, but are accused of lying, get arrested. If on the other hand, they lie, and are caught lying, they are arrested. It's a lose-lose situation. Always remain silent.
43 likesLiterally the Central Park* Five
7 likesI was in a situation where I was accused of writing an inappropriate letter to a female staff member-and at one point I was told that their "Handwriting expert said it was my writing." I laughed and told them "Your lying or that guy needs to be fired"-as I did not write that letter. "Cops" lie better than a professionally installed carpet.
30 likesThey cant promise any sentences. Thats inadmissible in court and has caused many cases to be thrown out entirely. They dont do that anymore
1 likethat's why you shut your mouth until you have a lawyer next to you
1 likeI was once stopped as a rape suspect. I had no alibi. i had just finished college and had changed my appearance to look clean for a job, all of my college friends had spread like the wind and I couldn't provide the addresses of any friends, my car was packed and I was ready to leave the area permenently. Since I had just finished college I had been partying and didn't have any idea of what day of the week it was or where I was when. When I told the cop I had partying and last track of time he started asking me about how many drinks I had and got more suspicious. I was even beginning to believe I had a split personality and it could have been me and was trying to figure out if it was. I was put in a lineup - and when I wasn't identified I was let go.
13 likes@Ebon Kim they may be allowed to, but it doesnt change how horrific the results can be. It needs to change. Watch the documentary series “the confession tapes.” It should still be on netflix. Its utterly blood-chilling.
5 likesNo, police are permitted to outright Lie in pursuit of a confession. They also can present just part of their evidence at Discovery and the rest must be pursued legally, in a Trial and a Trial is rare because everyone, including the lawyer for the defendant, wants the person arrested to Plea and have a Permanent Record.
2 likesIt doesn't matter , if u are innocent there is nothing to hide and there is nothing to be afraid of (sure the fear of prison etc is present) but as long that the person is 100% innocent there is nothing for him personally to fear. As to investigators getting innocent ppl to incriminate themselves well i could only see 3 reasons as to how it can happen (1. the person is not innocent. 2. weak personality. 3. Guilty of an unrelated minor/ crime/offense.)
0 likesAlways pays to remember that they aren't paid to uncover the truth, they're paid to get convictions
4 likesthat’s why the only thing you should ever say to police is “I want a lawyer”.
2 likes@Mohamed Hajry "weak personality" w/e the hell that means. Im sure in your mind, it warrants jail time.
10 likesHow about fear of police incompetence and their hunger for conviction? Even if you did nothing wrong, you can still be sent to prison by a bunch of idiots. Dumb juries, cops who just want a conviction so they get promoted (dont care who did the crime) and if you are poor, good luck getting a lawyer who has any time to focus on your case.
Plenty of reason to be nervous around cops. They dont hire them for their intelligence and cool headed nature.
Do you know how many cases were thrown out and how many people were released when DNA finally busted onto the scene? That new form of solid evidence showed just how shoddy the legal system was at actually finding who did a crime. This video is not an isolated incident, in fact it's one of the rare lucky cases where the guy didnt end up going to jail for a crime he didnt commit.
The legal system has an overreliance on eye witness testimomy despite how demonstrably unreliable it was. Your legal system is not that sophisticated.
@Aidan Coutts Now that i understand clearly, but it's still the person's responsibility so that they don't end up there. If the governement doesn't supply you with a competent lawyer then there is a problem.
0 likesI'm not touching the subject about the police here cause it has been already brought up that's why i was merely speaking about the individuals that find themselves in those situations.
You say fear of police incompetence? sure but if u are innocent AGAIN do you have to worry about the police being incompetent or should you instead focus on clearing yourself with a smart and proper way by learning your rights and laws? That way you will be able to dodge getting forced into prison even though you are innocent.
@Mohamed Hajry i would hope the police would know the law. Ya know? it being their job. If you force people to assume more responsibility than the literal government employees, what the hell are our tax dollars paying them for?
4 likesThis victimblaming behaviour is why law enforcement has gotten away with being this inept for so godamn long.
@Mohamed Hajry you can't dodge police who are doing their best to pin a crime on you that you didn't commit. There are so many people falsely imprisoned out there who never stopped claiming their innocence, but cause judges and jury's tend to believe police, especially when the accused is a man, it's not that hard to get locked up for something you didn't do. So it's a very real fear for someone to panic at the thought they'll be locked up for something they didn't do, because it happens all the time. Even if you aren't convicted, you still lose a ton of your time to being jailed and questioned for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and just looking like what someonr else thinks a criminal looks like.
1 likeThat’s why when you get arrested, demand a lawyer, and don’t say a damn thing.
2 likesLike Marquise Tibbs from Kenosha 5 years ago.
0 likes@Aidan Coutts I am by no means victimblaming, this world is that twisted for sure but do not tell me that the government just came out of nowhere and became a governement. Those problems you are bringing up originated from individual choices that resulted to what the system has become. Keep in mind i'm not even living in the US nor anywhere near it but i still agree with you on certain points but to me it seems like you are not grasping what i meant since my first comment. Which is individual responisibility.
0 likes@Gargon the Imperator Who said anything about dodging police ?
0 likes@Mohamed Hajry you did
0 likes@Mohamed Hajry that's what I meant by dodging the police. Cause as I see it, the police only care about putting someone behind bars and closing the case. So you have to dodge them and their shady tactics to dodge going into prison. Sorry I didn't clarify that better before.
1 like@Gargon the Imperator No worries, i am well aware of what you meant but was unsure if you assumed something else. That is truly a difficult subject to silverline . I'm not gonna say oh that's not true or something within those lines.
0 likesSome investigators wanna close a case and get a promotion, some make mistakes which happens as often as the former and lastly just like you said before,some juries might even go with the cops but the full scope is not clear to the outsiders, we can't ignore the fact that the system is corrupt and f* up but the individual has to at least put in some effort in not ending up in prison or walking himself into it.
Ik what i'm saying is hard depending on the circumstances but that doesn't stop an innocent person from showing his innocence by confronting the layed out evidence even to some extent (forged evidence). Oh they found a gun in my house? okey does it have my fingerprints? and so on,ik what i just said might sound dumb but people have tendencies to get scared if they get provoked which can turn into slipups and those can and will and are used against the individual even if it's unrelated to the case as i did say in one of the comments earlier.
It's an individual responsibility, and i could only see an innocent person getting prosecuted for those 3 points that i formerly stated (1. the person is not innocent. 2. weak personality. 3. Guilty of an unrelated minor/ crime/offense.)
As to fixing the problem with promotions and the system well that's another story that needs to be dealt with all the way to it's roots but every individual has to come to an understanding of the situation and a common ground. As i see it,the US is somewhat split appart (meaning its people), when it comes to the ego oh f* everyone else i only know me (that kind of thing) i'm not generalizing here but it is true and the majority of the system's issues are originating from individual choices/consequences.
@Brianna McCray what happened with the central park five?
0 likesThe plea system is FKD
1 like@P Pumpkin Assuming what you're saying is legitimate..
0 likesDAMN
Imagine interogating someone without any evidence... What a joke.
1 like@Grass Geese funny how u just assume someone’s personality from his lack of experience? Well I’m all ears since I’m not a US citizen why don’t you enlighten me? instead you go for me personally instead of my opinion, instead of having a well articulated conversation and exchange opinions and information. No wonder shit is going south in the US. Is that how it works over there?
0 likesThey bluffed with me and said I hit someone in the head between 20-30 times (I was blacked out drunk and it was on CCTV) they wouldn't show me the tape, they just wanted me to admit guilt. I accepted guilt but stood my ground that they were making up the number, surely they can count?
0 likesFor context the offence was affray, the person I beat up could have pressed charges but didn't. They hit me first, I finished it.
0 likes@Delete Existence thank you for the story. I think the people over at r/iamverybadass would appreciate the full account.
0 likes@Aidan Coutts lol just the Dutch courage and the guy pushed my girlfriend then punched me. So I blacked out.
0 likes@Matt H and the defence lawyer whose job is to defend his innocent client often convinces him to cut a plea deal. This is even more wrong!
0 likesThat's illegal, where I live. A sane country.
0 likes@Aidan Coutts was just thinking that recently. I hate when under the cops pull " there were 2 witnesses that spotted you during blah blah" like so what? How does that strengthen the case unless the witness has evidence of you being there? Anybody could just say they saw you. And it's stupid that it makes a case look more legit since witnesses don't even personally know you
0 likes@Karnacle Blackburn 5 kids, teenage boys, were all lied to. A white womab was raped, the police didn't know who did it. They grabbed 5 black boys who didnt know each other, and said each boy said the other did it and they had evidence. So they wrote false confessions because the police told them too, and they went to jail for years. Their story is told in "When They See Us" on Netflix in five episodes i think
0 likes@Lechiffresix six That is correct as the Bosses of the Department have quota and statistics to show that they are doing a good job. Also the reasons for poor investigation is more convictions means increase for the Department funding also to make the mayor and city council look like they are doing something other then embezzling public funding. "Democracy is five wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner."
0 likesThey got my mom with this unfortunately. Our family was poor so we couldn't afford a lawyer and the idea of a long court case was frightening both due to the price and the lost work time, and it would be months before a public defender would be available. She took the plea deal and now has a felony on her record.
1 likeEveryone should watch better call Saul to respect lawyers
0 likes@Mohamed Hajry you are guilty until innocent is presumed. As a court of law decided the verdict. many many many people spend time in jail fighting bullshit charges i spent 3month myself in chains because of false allegations. you know what i got from the whole ordeal. fired from my job, became homeless and a ohh I'm sorry your free to go now. with zero compensation for my squandered time. but hey i learned how to make a net out of plastic. so i guess i got the last laugh. Be grateful you have not been on the wrong side of the tracks as if you have not been falsely accused of a crime doesn't mean it can not happen because i will tell you what it does. As how it works in the real world the police decide based on the information given at that moment and a judge or jury will decide of innocent or guilt. a friend of mine had a psycho girlfriend who one day decided to throw all his musical equipment in the rain becuase he would not watch tv with her and had to work. when he came home he called the police and once the offcers arrived she fliped the table on him miniuplated the police and stared crying and sayin he hit her and bla bla bla they took him for domestic while he spent 6 month in jail she trashed his rental and racked up his credit he lost everything and the day he got out had nothing. The legal system has major flaws. don't get me started on parley restraining orders. That shit is hella unconstitutional seen that ruin few peoples lives for no good reason.
1 like@Buck_shot419 now that’s unfortunate, a compensation is a must in this case and even with a compensation it’s not enough. Even where I live you can be put in chains for a long while before ending up getting cleared, you would get a compensation (thankfully) but it’s still not enough for the emotional taxation and fear of your life getting ruined. Not that I personally got into that situation but I know people who’ve been there and still are. Some things may not be removed but at least improved to a certain degree.
0 likesEdit: Quoting you “Guilty until proven innocent” or the opposite is absolute BS why? Because you cannot trust what a person says no matter if they are guilty or not until proven by facts. So assuming a person is guilty is absolutely retarded but that also goes for the assumption of a person being innocent. I hope you understand what I mean here and we both know that this world is filled with darkness, so hate or greed or whatever it may be overcomes the purity of life. I’m just speaking metaphorically here and not preaching.
@Grass Geese usually the lawyers are competent, but cannot dedicate any real time to their client. A paid lawyer can afford to focus on one case. A court appointed is not fighting with the same tools or preparation.
0 likesI recommend watching the famous 'Don't talk to the police' video:
0 likeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
when the prosecutor knows they will lose the case in trial, they will overblow the sentence, and force the suspect to take a plea deal. Its so disgustingly corrupt.
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everything that is run by the state is corrupt by design
28 likes@No Context Gonzalo couldn't have said it better
3 likesThey do that for almost all cases. They don't have anything like the capacity to go for a full trial for all cases.
0 likesWelcome to human nature. Est.100,000BCE
1 likeI would go trough that for $46,000 😏
0 likes“My duty is to look into this thoroughly”
963 likesAccuses first man they found of doing it
Job well done
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I'm appalled they arrested him without cause. "I will need to investigate it", that's what you do before you make an arrest!
19 likes"suspected" of doing it
1 likeIkr I was thinking the same they didn't even check the robbery call
1 likeShort white dude versus tall black man!
4 likesFight!
AOO AOO AOO
YOU LOSE!
Short White Dude Fled!
@Josh Lips what if short white dude knows karate? Lol...
0 likesMichael seems a great person who has been brought up with impeccable manners and patience
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I worked with Michael for a decade in the trade shows before COVID, crazy to see him on this video. He's super respectful, a hard worker, competent at his job and an overall good guy. The reason he specifically wants to phone his work to let them know he can't make it is because he would get suspended from work for a month for being a 'no show'. Just goes to show these kinds of things can happen to anyone.
24 likesMaybe its just genetics or very high intelligence
0 likesThe ending made me so happy.
1 likeThe white guy with the beard Was the definition of how an innocent person would act. Frustrated confident and angry.
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@Girl Idk haha I said Definition, that dont mean everybody is like that. But he is definetly the definition of it
71 likesBlack guy simply doesn’t act out of anger because he knows if he does he may get more repercussions. He’s innocent to begin with so best thing is to try and stay clam..It’s based on personalityand privilege honestly.
254 likes@Bre it really is a personality diffrence Just like how the Analyst explained it. Both victims didnt know if they would get more repercussions or not. The white guy lost it while the Black guy stayed calm.
115 likes@Bre brown, not black
14 likesi react like the white guy when i get caught in a dumb but plausible lie... you and I, and sometimes even investigators, can't reliably read other people.
25 likes@Lubu for sure based on personality but also privilege like I mentioned. Not trying to cause an argument.. but we are both absolutely right.
5 likes@lumberjack potato potata.. Whether you are brown or black you are still
48 likesBlack in society.. And their is no problem with that. I’m proud to be BLACK and I’m proud to be BROWN. Their is no
Negative connotation when I call someone black until someone tries to make it that way themselves.
Im a white guy.I got questioned and charged for what one of my high school buddies did. I looked guilty as hell..lol My buddy finally confessed so they backed off. Got pulled over once when I was in my early 20s.The cop said "Son,why are you acting so nervous?" I said "Cause a cop just pulled me over." Now that im older I dont give a F.
22 likes@Girl Idk probably some level of psychopathy, sounds crazy but he just got charged with robbing a jewelry store and didn't seem to give a fuck
1 like@Lubu
4 likesI don’t think the white guy lost it. He wasn’t unreasonable or threatening so...
@Boiko Petrov what does black on the inside mean tho? Asking for a friend...
1 like@Bre It's a personality difference. Case closed. Has fuck all to do with his skin colour.
6 likes@Bre the white man was a previous convict. If anything the brown dude is way more privlaged. You have it completely backwards. The white dude has alot more to lose by being convicted than the black guy. Which is why the white dude is more angry and worried. Has nothing to do with skin color
8 likesHe said stuff that contradicted himself tho
0 likesAnd still he got locked out for more than two fucking years .-.
2 likes@plug man johnson
0 likesThere might also be a policing culture difference as it's not only 2 different police forces but also 2 different countries.
It was SO hard to watch that one! Because I was watching it then thinking like...ok if you're sitting in that chair then get angry because you're being accused of something you didn't do, like at some point if you get too angry they'll add more charges or something. Its like once you're in their hands there's literally nothing you can really do.
0 likesinnocent introverts don't act like that tho and this guy was a great unfortunate example of that
1 like@Lubu I guess this whole video went over your head....
1 likeYou can if you spend more time socializing than studying law or techniques.
0 likesMore like the epitome generally
0 likes@Bre culture and values.
0 likesThat depends highly on the individual.
0 likesFor years of my life, I was very introverted and didn't act like everyone else. I have never been a criminal though. That is why some of these videos scare me. I don't like the viewpoints of how innocent people "should" act. I imagine thousands of people have been wrongly convicted because they didn't act "the right way". It is scary. I am glad that I stay out of situations where I might be accused of some crap I didn't do.
0 likes@Bre privilege has nothing todo with it, they didn't believe either guy was innocent...if anything the black guy was treated better as the white one was handcuffed while the black one was not. So where is the privilege... the black guy was clear headed and got justice...he spent 3 days in jail for $46,000 settlement....if privilege was real why did they white guy not get a settlement.... people are treated unfairly everyday and many times a answer as to why is not found but rarely is it solely on their race, as the black guys claim respectful attitude is what set the tone of his experience and he did have complete control of that. If he had not gotten a settlement to justify what he had to experienced it would still be a long shot but given his experience did matter and that he was compassionate I think you need to think outside of what tge media has lied to you about why things happen in life.
1 likeU wanna change shit first place to start is cops lying about having evidence.
0 likesI've come to the conclusion I can't tell if a person is lying. If they were to change their story, then yeah. But just from listening to them, I can't tell. If I was forced to make a guess about it, I'd say the bearded guy is aggressive enough to have committed aggressive crimes like burglary and assault.
0 likes@sillygoose goose enjoy
0 likes@Bre yeah id stay clam personally
0 likesI trust the system so I'd be calm.
0 likes@Bre ahahahah why do people say shit like that. Black people are black....... thats not racist......
0 likesPeople act differently from others based on their personalities. But the average reaction of an innocent person is getting frustrated and upset. But obviously not everyone is like that! And that can make an innocent person look guilty and interrogators go by what they see and how that looks based on assumption that they are guilty. The point of an interrogation is never to find whether you guilty or innocent, it’s to get a confession of guilt whether you did it or not. You’re fecked the second you enter that room.
0 likesThere truth in that
0 likesBlack guy who is smart. He is intelligent enough to know if he raises his voice to a corrupt cop, he will be charged with more injustice. He heard the stories. He knows of the injustices. This shouldnt be surprising that he cant act like the white guy. He cannot afford to act enraged. Those before him have been beaten and raped in jail and worse. By cops and by jailmates who cops ordered them to do so. This “justice” system is soooo f—-ed.
3 likesthe guy with hair?
0 likes@BadlndsBob I understand that is scary, however it is logical they use indicators as well. If a certain response is given by guilty people 9/10 times, it is perfectly logical to use that knowledge. It shouldn't be evidence, but it can be used as an indicator if it is feasible to further investigate the possibillity they do have the perpetrator.
0 likes@Bre where did race come from
0 likesThe BLACK GUY IS INNOCENT TOO! He just has a calmer disposition!
0 likes@plug man johnson LMFAO! Okay sir. Sure. Black guy has more privilege lmao coming from a white guy.
0 likes@Austin Garner lmao why you mad AUSTIN???
0 likes@d al like I said... privilege has ALOT to do with it. Sadly a lot of you guys don’t see that because YOUR privilege blinds those lines. Why argue about it? Because you know I’m right and you feel personally attacked?? Lmao
0 likes@J P yup. Here I am.. pulling the ole privilege card huh 🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭 oops. I triggered ya? Oh well
1 like@Awakenedblue THANK YOU!!! Absolutely right!!!!!!
0 likes@Bre black dude way more privileged in that situation. Also kinda racist saying a white person's opinion is invalid simply because he is white 🤔
2 likes@plug man johnson she straight up just said cause you're white you have no say on privilege LMAO
2 likes@Bre Pedal that Social justice crap somewhere else.
1 like@Bre This situation between a lower class white dude and an upper class black dude? Yeah the upper class black dude absolutely has more privilege in the justice system, because he's upper class. He can afford bail, he can afford a good lawyer, he can afford to miss work, he likely has a clean record from living in an upper class area with lower crime. That's class privilege, there's more to privilege than just race. Just because a black dude doesn't have white privilege doesn't mean he has no privilege at all. Isn't that what intersectionality is all about in social justice? The concept that privilege is complex and not just high score point system?
0 likesnah its not. everyone is different and acts different. no matter race or age u cant put it in a simple group
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0 likesWhat I dont understand is how did the bearded guy that acted the way innocents would act get imprisoned, but the guy that acted abnormally calm for a innocent got off clean? Doesnt that disprove your whole "I can read people"? Why even interrogate if you know the other details are priority, and not this confession under duress BS. Bearded guy was nervous for good reason, thinking ahead, and has been imprisoned before. None of that mattered, yet the interrogation and putting a nervous person under stress makes a person appear guilty, what a surprise.
0 likes@The Viking Nobody is saying otherwise. What's your point?
0 likes@Johnfuse I don't care about the white guy or white people. You can call them whatever you want, beige, snow white, etc. It doesn't matter to me lol. :) As for the brown guy, he is clearly brown by color scale, he certainly doesn't talk like an average black guy, and as for facial and body features, I am not sure what is racial makeup is. However, he clearly looks mixed, hence why he is brown.
0 likes@Khajiit Hadwares The brown guy probably had a lot of people backing him up and demanding his exoneration. The snow white guy might have only had his mom. In addition, snow white had been to prison before, so that might have worked against his favor. Also, you have to consider that both subjects were booked in different legal systems.
0 likes@Bre you talk as if you have insider information on why a person acted the way they did based solely on your programed views of his skin color. However without his own testimony we truly don't know what he was thinking or why he decided to stay calm. However we can use facts we do know... fact he was innocent....fact he ended up with a settlement because of the situation we witnessed....what happened to him was wrong the only way to fix it since time machines are not available is to give him money to compassionate that. He got the money so he was not denied justice. So where is privilege he's not able to access....we see a white person was in the same position in the same video but was not given money for being wrongfully accused. Both of them ended up being found innocent and tge black guy walked away with money. So I agree the black guy had a cool collective personality and was more privileged tgen the white guy by walking away with money the white guy did not get.
0 likes@Sigismund the Black Knight that's if anyone acts out in anger when interacting with a armed police officer. Its not just black people its anyone who does such a dumb thing
0 likes@Lubu The white guy was facing significantly more time, given the assault claim and his prior stint in jail. The fear he exudes in the interview is palpable while the black dude was marvelously composed.
0 likes@Bre he had just got off the bus after finishing work, he knew deep down they had feck all on him ,so his actions were spot on ,the ginger guy not so much .
0 likesIs the Interrogator fired or got demoted?? It's such a dumb rookie fucking mistake geez
0 likesI don't get it though... the narrator said about Michael "every detail of his alibi was later been proven 100% accurate". Doesn't police check the alibis and the available security cameras before going into a interrogation with this much force and accusations? Are some of the policemen That horrifyingly incapable?
0 likesHoly crap canadians are polite. "I'm not trying to give you a hard time while you're falsely accusing me"
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Intelligent anxious people tend to be nice people.
126 likes@Dill Bill truth....
0 likesWhat seems to be the officer problem?
5 likesTell that to the First Nations, they’re only polite if you’re white
2 likesFor him, his innocence is a simple follow up on the info he's given them. So while it's an inconvenience, it's not that big a deal.
1 like@Subtle Autism I say that so often, and I've never had a drink in my life... It takes effort for me to say it correctly. I thought this was America! LOL
0 likes@FACE He didn't believe he was going to jail, cause if they followed up on anything that he said, it would prove his innocence
0 likes@Alexander Leonard Same!
0 likes@Tarekkr Well hello there. Nice DP you have.
0 likesSuspect: short white man
4248 likesCops seeing a tall black man: “Ladies and gentlemen, we got him!”
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CANADA!!
23 likesHe looks mixed and on the lighter side tho, but can't imagine someone saying he is "white"
58 likesRacist?
7 likes@Nurul Midah of course! that's the police system for ya! this specific comment was not racist, but the system is.
97 likes@Alec Windmiller I mean its Canada plus it's the white guy they got but idk big thing to me is still they got wrongly arrested both of them
1 like@Jose Doe correct!
1 like@Alec Windmiller government
0 likes@Alec Windmiller the police system isn’t racist 🤦🏻♂️
5 likes@J T hm, i completely change my mind since you used a facepalm emoji.
18 likes@W4r Galactic not entirely. mainly just specific aspects of it, judicially primarily.
8 likes@Alec Windmiller government
0 likes@W4r Galactic read previous reply
2 likesLmao
1 likeIn what world is he black
0 likesI was put into a locked facility for druggies in San Antonio Tx. Because of corrupt Sherriff. I know how this feels
1 like@Matt Taylor this video has more than one person in it you know lol not just the thumbnail
4 likes@Matt Taylor are you sureeee you see it..... Watch again lol
3 likes@J T go watch some documentaries and then come back
1 like@lalala lalala don’t need to. Turn off the news they’re lying to you.
0 likes@Alec Windmiller awwh you thought that was to change your mind. I’m just telling you you’re wrong no evidence supports that ridiculous claim. Turn off the news they’re lying to you.
0 likes@J T ok! 👌
3 likes@Alec Windmiller I hope that means you’ll wake up and strive for the American dream and stop being a victim
0 likes@J T haha, i wasn’t being a victim, i was letting people know that this comment isn’t racist and THEY need to stop being victims
3 likes@Alec Windmiller if you’re saying the system is racist than you are in fact being a victim.
0 likes@J T interesting.
3 likes@Alec Windmiller the fact that that’s all you have to say should show you it’s not.
0 likes@J T im just backing out of the conversation since youtube wasn’t built for politics.
2 likesEvery one of these 6 cops who made the arrest should be fired. They obviously are not fit to serve as a cop. I'm sure candidates who are blind normally don't get accepted by the police academy. It's beyond me how they managed to pass the physical tests.
2 likesWonder why
0 likes@Alec Windmiller they probably used a facepalm because the narrative that the system is racist takes an idiot to believe, it's kind of pointless to explain it to those people, but I'll try anyways. It was the police officers personality and traits that caused this, not the system itself. It was even mentioned it's standard practice to review the dispatch call, which this officer either did not do or ignored.
2 likesIt's kind of like communism, good on paper bad in implementation. But then what do you do? Get rid of the police altogether?
@Mental Popcorn perfect description, although referring to the “system” i wasn’t remotely talking about law enforcement by the way if that was the confusion 😁
1 likeI had an ex girlfriend, when I left her, she made all sorts of false accusations against me, I remember sitting through an interview just like this, trying to profess my innocence, they were treating me like a complete scumbag.
882 likesI was held for 22 hours, moved back up to the other side of country in a seemingly deliberately uncomfortable van.
They took my finger prints, looked at me like was evil, woke me up continuously throughout the middle of the night in my cell, some weird humming noises were even played through a speaker into my cell, so I couldn't relax.
Nothing I said, no matter how logical would be listened to.
It's a really shit experience.
Even my parents didn't believe my innocence.
The only reason I got let go, is because she sent me text messages saying "I'll drop the charges if you come back to me etc*..."
Even then, after they let me go, and months, later I got a phone call from the police saying that all charges were dropped etc*, the guy on the phone, I could tell didn't believe that I was innocent and I had somehow coerced my ex into dropping the charges.
It's not right that someone can just claim your guilty of something and you get treated this way, but I don't know a solution to stopping this from happening to others.
The experience has given me a really negative view of authority figures.
*corrected
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Homegirl can be a witch until the cops come. Then all of a sudden she becomes the weeping victim. The cops will always go directly for the man. Always. In fact, there's a video on that too. The only thing that saved the man from being arrested was I witnesses and their video of her following him and beating him while he's trying to get away.
101 likesHe took the beating and never laid a hand on her. Yet she was perfectly OK, with the cops arresting him for crime of abuse, which he never committed.
That sucks. My ex filed a restraining order after breakup with false accusations. Was granted because I didn’t have texts to defend myself as I deleted her off my phone to move on. I was treated guilty from the start, judge wouldn’t even listen to me.
43 likes@Lil__Devil What did you learn?
0 likesDude you need to ask for a lawyer immediately. Don't answer anything. Say you want a lawyer and they have to stop questioning you.
12 likesWow, your ex-girl is really crazyyyy..its evil behaviour. Its sick to think u take her back after going thru u went thru..but she thought that. She was hoping for that. Wtf, how sad and simple and evil can u be?
3 likes@LeviHB
5 likesI was extremely naive back then.
Lessons learned, I'm stronger due to the experience, a lot less trusting too.
@Naatskie💯
19 likesAbout a year later, she tried to get hold of me again, saying she REALLY needed to talk to me.
I blocked the social media account she had made just to send me a message, I didn't even read it all, was an essay's worth.
Why would I give her any head space, you guys don't even know that half of what that 'girl' was like, sociopathic control freak is an understatement.
But, naivety and rose tinted glasses kept me with her for too long.
@British Wrath Good, just making sure you know what to do in the future.
6 likesShe sounds abusive and controlling, making the other person feel guilty/at fault/getting them to come back is very common for abusers.
@LeviHB that is also the reason why I ( a woman ) get pissed everytime girls bring up the " white male priviledge/ patruarchy" thing. What evil patriarchy is that where you break a man and then blame him for breaking you? It's horrid.
12 likesThis is why attitudes like #believeallwomen are so fucking damaging to decent, moral, hard working men.
19 likes@Lean That depends. The common way I've seen that used is that the police should believe all women and investigate the alleged crime. Not that we should automatically accept it as true.
7 likesShould police automatically believe that all victims of sexual assault are telling the truth? Of course and they should investigate it fully. Should police and courts automatically accept that it's true? No that should be based on the investigation.
Of course there are some insane people who think you should take their word entirely and just prosecute the other person. But I can find those insane people in any group. A group advocating for better treatment of men in custody cases? I could find an advocate that believes women should have no say in custody cases. A free speech group? I could find someone in that group who thinks it should only apply to them, or the other way around and thinks it should apply to even things like immediate calls of specific violence.
@LeviHB
15 likesYou said two opposing things in the same paragraph. “Police should believe all victims of sexual assault are telling the truth” and “Should the police and courts automatically accept that it’s true? No that should be based on the investigation.”
So let me get this straight. Police should believe all victims. But they should also not believe all victims...
@LeviHB
9 likesAlso the definition of belief is accepting that something is true. So in that first paragraph you are also saying “Police should believe all women but not accept that it is true.” Which could also be said “Police should accept that it is true but not believe” or it could also be said “Police should accept that it is true but should not accept that it is true.” Or “Police should believe all women but not believe all women”
All four of those sentences mean exactly the same thing since all we are doing is switching the definition for the word.
Do you understand how absolutely psychotic that sounds?
@Rachel Dolezal What I mean is they shouldn't just assume she's lying without investigating. Believe them initially, investigate etc, then change your belief to be based on what the evidence is, then finally later on whatever the court decides. That's what I meant.
4 likes@LeviHB i support the idea, but i feel like the slogan is worded poorly, same goes with "defund the police" and "all cops are bastards"... though i believe that the initial idea behind "believe all women" was intrinsically related to "metoo", as in we shouldn't default to dismissing sexual assault allegations against celebrities especially if we like or respect said celebrities, instead we should give both sides equal credibility in their claims even if one party has more social status than the other... not sure that it was meant for regular joe shmoe people
6 likesHad a similar experience in a small town in Kahoka missouri, the cops fucking proceeded to harass and constantly arrest me telling me i had a warrant... They printed their shit in the news paper causing me to be run out of town no one would rent to me or hire me... I was homeless for years after that... They tried to destroy my life.
4 likes@Rachel Dolezal
5 likesThe definition of faith is accepting something is true, without evidence.
Faith is just a polite way of saying the you are fooling yourself into believing.
Faith has never been a reliable tool to find truth.
I’m sorry that happened to you ❤️
1 like@iGirl
2 likesYou made me jump there, your profile picture looks a lot like my ex girlfriend 😅
Funny coincidence
@British Wrath omg really sorry lol that’s so weirdddd I’m gonna change my pfp just for that man
3 likesYou SHOULD have a negative, mistrusting view of any authority figure, law enforcement wise. They are never your friend unless they have to be due to their duty. Their duty is to find anything they can get on you, true or false.
4 likesIt's etc. not ect.
1 like@Prettycroatian
2 likeshttps://www.beedictionary.com/common-errors/ect_vs_etc
You are right.
Goes to show, how the Internet has fostered an ability to mainstream errors.
This is why you keep records when you got a shifty girlfriend around.
3 likesThats why you go your own way.
1 likeI just don't expect anything from life.
2 likes@MubashirullahD
2 likesDoesn't mean you shouldn't try and work towards something though!
And that’s female privilege man it’s a really terrible thing
1 likeWell, my dad is a state trooper, even though I do understand there is corruption in law enforcement, I know my dad isn’t one of them, he’s in the job because he truly wants our community to be safe, and he himself even said that if someone goes rogue in his department, he reports them, because he doesn’t want to work with “dirty cops”.
1 likeI just hope you don’t see every figure of authority as a form of corruption, I do understand corruption exist in law enforcement, I just fully hope that you’ll meet a cop who actually wants to follow the law, and not be a bigot towards the people, like you
1 likeYou mean you attacked someone's person or property and they didn't side with you based on political belief alone? Judging from your insistence to base "everything" on political affiliation rather then something biological, I would be willing to bet that's closer to the truth. The irony is wasted here.
1 like@Young Irish wait who are you replying to?
0 likesWow, your story matches mine so well. Even the 22 hours when they could have actually interviewed me within an hour. I was completely innocent and treat like dirt. Medication deliberately witheld too. It was hell. Even rang my boss in a clear attempt to lose me my job. I learned that complete innocence is no protection whatsoever!
1 likeThat's so fucked up, I guess the only way to avoid something like that is to try and not get involved with people capable of that behavior. Not that that's easy, or even possible if you're an unlucky person :(
1 likeEverybody this is happening to me. No matter who you are if a woman files a police report you are done! They will believe everything she will say. A day before I was suppose to be a federal agent and my ex filed a police report to me. To get back revenge. People if you see this comment please please DO NOT SPEAK TO THE POLICE!!!!
1 like@Joshua K
1 likeMy family believed I was guilty, because behind my back, she had been sending them emails, pretending to be me.
Then, whilst she was doing that, she was bitching about how I didn't even get a phonecall on Christmas or my birthdays from my family.
I ran off with her, when I was quite young, and she managed to trick me into thinking I was outcast by my family, my sister believed me, because she could see that the emails weren't written how I would write them.
I read a few of the emails, she was saying all sorts of messed up shit, whilst pretending to be me, things like I hate all of my siblings and wished they were dead etc...
I didn't have my own phone at the time, either, so my family had no other way of contacting me other than email, which I never even thought to check up on, because I had no Internet access, other than her iPhone 3, Even so, she was smart and deleted all the emails as she went.
Honestly, I was completely blind to all of it. Rose tinted glasses 😔
@Senai Habte breaking up is hard.... I was vilified by my ex’s family.. awful experience took me a while to defend myself.. not sure why I bothered but it seemed like I needed to
0 likes@Dave Chrome federal agent=United States border patrol. Us customs and border protection. You think this is funny?
0 likesYour ex is at fault, not the cops.
0 likes@LeviHB Shocking viewpoint. Investigators, whether police or others in the judiciary process, should not believe anything. Once someone starts to believe, proper investigation stops. That's how so many innocent people are convicted and how so many guilty are never even seriusly investigated.
0 likes@apology girl The double standards, for both sides, are ridiculous. We need to stop making it a gender thing and start making examples of these people who lie to ruin others' lives by locking them up and throwing away the key. This shit will never end, otherwise.
5 likes@I o what
0 likes@Dave Chrome nah you’re good man. I’ve had this account for a long time 😂 and plus I wouldn’t put my real name in social media lol. Yeah man it suck, but I’m fixing this. Got text messages, videos, and audios proving my innocence
2 likes@apology girl bruh
0 likesAgreed! People like that are the ones who ruin it for the rest of us! The narrative they push us believe all women regardless... No! It should be believe the evidence, do an investigation! Sorry you went through that.😟
0 likesWas the judge’s defense, “why would she go out if her way to lie.” People who haven’t experienced this sort of thing, and are super pro cops, in constantly defending them, are naive.
0 likes@Austin Garner its a picture on Pinterest. and even if they were mine thats gross af bc there just socks ofc men sexualize everything!
0 likesThis is how the justice system is broken. Its innocent until PROVEN guilty. And that goes for EVERYONE. Every single case is supposed to be innocent until PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
0 likes@apology girl It’s a gender specific thing. As far as I know, there has never been a case of a couple breaking up, and the man going to the police to charge the woman for a series of bogus charges, the police automatically believing the man, arresting the woman, and severely mistreating her in jail. All this while also reaching out to the woman’s boss in an attempt to have her fired.
0 likesIf something like that has happened, or is even possible in our police system, it doesn’t happen remotely as often as it does to men.
Edit: It is also interesting how you criticize the OP and people in general for making everything a “boy vs girl” thing, then broadly say that men sexualize everything.
@J H
0 likesits your job to know who your getting into, know who you are getting in a relationship with and if they would do something like that, learn there personality before.
it's also interesting how you lack seeing your surrounding. boy vs girl doesnt go into men sexualizing everything, anyone knows that weather you hate women or hate men that men tend to sexualize everything women or whatever they're into.
@apology girl
1 likeAnd I think “everyone knows” that the police are much harsher in dealing with accusations against men by women than vice versa.
Save every text conversation you’ve ever had with any woman. Same with their emails. And if they start to threaten or manipulate you, find out if you live in a one party consent state, for it may be legal to record them secretly while you talk on the phone. I went through a divorce where she was constantly threatening to charge me with “abuse“. Started keeping records of everything. Now I even keep text conversations with casual hook ups in case of false rape accusation or any other BS. If my phone gets too full, I download texts in bulk to my laptop.
0 likesWelcome to "Equality"
0 likesI've been through this shit as well. Served almost 4 months in county after an ex kicked me and punched me in the face, THEN the bitch broke my cellphone and threw it in my face. Georgia Power heard the commotion and I got arrested. over 105 degrees that day, in the squad car with windows up, no AC, I tried kicking them out to breathe. I ended up pleading "Guilty" after serving around 3 months, 3 weeks. They tarnished my reputation, my rights, my pride, my record, and trust for nothing...even though I haven't nor will I ever harm a female unless it's a dire straight type deal, God forbid. I'm sorry for everyone that has suffered this way, are going through the process, or are in volatile situations/relationships. Leave while you can. 🤘🖤
0 likesThey have to work that way. Otherwise bad people slip through cracks. The things women you know intimately can do to you by just saying something is crazy thou.
0 likes@Bedsick Hobo hey what’s up man. Yes man stay single. I’m trying to get this done with my lawyer. It just sucks it has to go this way. Remember this quote man “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”. A woman is different when she had revenge on her mind
0 likesY'all need to realise that the purpose of modern government is to replace husbands and fathers with tyrants. Believing women with no evidence is a feature of the system. Women are easily manipulated and government gets half their votes from them. Why would they do anything to make women's life harder? Why would they reduce their support of women against men when it's the source of their power? Especially for the left - in the US married men vote 85% Republican.
2 likes@gracefool
2 likesThat's a very good point, the polar opposite could be said for any Islamic country, where women don't get a vote, and are worth a quarter of a man in court.
I'd say we have it better here, even with the current system though, Sharia law is abhorrent.
@gracefool exactly my point without these manipulated women the government wouldn’t have a job. Notice how many men don’t call the cops for anything. They want women to keep doing this so men can pay for lawyers, bonds, probation, classes. This is reality! And us men need to start protesting just how these women did back in the 70’s for there rights. I’m done with feminist, women who falsely accuse men, and women who want to get revenge against there husband!
1 like@Tanaphar Plus Masks
2 likesWhat objective evidence have you got that 'by large people don't get accused unless they are guilty' that you can demonstrate?
To make such claims you need to have statistical data, other wise, you're just spreading misinformation.
Our species isn't productive, we are only 0. 7 on the Kardashev scale, we are massively unbalanced in our global economy, our energy consumption out weighs our means and corruption is rife in every nation.
We are ruled by liars, politicians lie, it's their job to lie.
I'd say you're very naive if you honestly think that the majority of humanity are honest to a fault.
Everywhere you look, the evidence is insurmountable that our species is deeply immoral and inefficient.
@Tanaphar Plus Masks you're largely right, except that we could drastically reduce innocent convictions by changing the way police operate and reducing the bias of the system. A large proportion of jurors don't even know the principle "innocent until proven guilty"!
0 likesThat's modern feminism. A woman's word is believed 100x stronger and more reliable than a man's word.
0 likes@Tanaphar Plus Masks
0 likesRight, so you presented no evidence, and just presented more claims.
You also sprinkled in a touch of straw man fallacy in there to spice up your comment.
You didn't understand what I was saying, and missed the point entirely, I can see I'm not going to get anywhere debating with you, so I'm not going to try.
Arguing with an intellectual is difficult, arguing with a fool is impossible.
@Tanaphar Plus Masks
0 likesNow, you've shown yourself to be dishonest.
I told you where the strawman was.
I'm not running away, I'm disinterested in speaking to someone who is intentionally dishonest and manipulative.
What do I get out of it?
👋🏻
Same
0 likesThis caption is everything
1 likeWow that dude is a saint. Cops fucked up big time.
0 likesWitness: "It's a small white man"
3571 likesOfficers arresting a tall black guy: "Reverse psychology, I learned that one in college"
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Are you implying a cop went t o college? ;)
150 likesCharlieMason surely they’d have to have been in college
7 likes@Spoop not really lol
42 likes@Fallen king yes, they do. That's not an American officer.
19 likesTay Who so?
1 like@Hola Girlso they attend like 3 years of college 🤦🏻♀️
5 likesTay Who you mean like to learn to become a police? Cus-
1 likeIn college.... freshman year of high school
0 likes@Tay Who no college necessary
1 like@Fee Narvaez you're wrong
1 like@CharlieMason I thought your username was CharlesManson for a second.
0 likesLol. The funniest part...is where you imply a cop went to college. Lol. Most barely graduated from high school.
4 likes@Babe Root Actually, all police officers graduated high school or got a GED. Police Academy is also considered a college. Things would be much worse if the job requirements were the same for working at McDonald's.
5 likes@Fallen king What? Do you think people can just graduate high school and immediately become a cop?
1 likeSmall white man is actually a codename for tall black guy.
0 likes@Tay Who high quality education and college I see
0 likesPeople going into their careers after online learning all 2020-2021😭😭😭
1 like@Spoop that's not how that works
0 likes@Spoop in usa ? You need like a 6-8 month course. A physical test and a mental health test, thats it.
0 likes@Julian Galindo sure, for a beat cop.... But a detective position usually has collegiate requirements associated with the job position... some states don't have that requirement but I'm pretty damn sure Canada would, considering their outlook on education that being said it seems like this detective was just in desperate need of pace closures for their quota or some other bureaucratic nonsense is the only reason I can fathom for him completely ignore the evidence at hand.
0 likesI was looking for this comment. I was like dude come on.. I was getting mad for him honestly.
0 likes@Joshua that was no "beaureacratic nonsense" please dont make excuses. It was flat out racism
0 likes@Kyle no, actually buddy, one of my favorite guys is a statey where im from, trained me in MMA and Jiu Jitsu for a while. Great guy,
0 likesBut if you have a sandwich that's 90% shit, and a slice of ham, do you have a ham sandwich with shit, or a shit sandwich with ham?
And i tell ya, every interaction with a cop i've had with cops that weren't my coach, they were shitty.
@Kyle no. I see your point. Its a moot point. People choose to be cops.
0 likes“I’ve done everything in my power to stay out of the penitentiary man, and this is bullshit!” I have never been to jail or prison, but I felt that.
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jail aint it bruh and prison is different different
2 likesThink of jail as holidays, the pen is a concentration camp
11 likes@ramsy420 My cousin worked at a county jail and said the exact opposite of you: Jail is awful, but Penitentiary isn't as bad.
8 likesBeing unlawfully arrested, and charged, scars you, I have PTSD from being unlawfully arrested and charged 5x now..... Imagine that, the same force, making the same mistakes over and over.
5 likes@The Scenarios I was unlawfully accused/investigated for a serious crime too. Fortunately I managed to find a lawyer pretty quickly who uncovered the misconduct almost immediately.
3 likes@George that is awesome! I didn't have the money for a lawyer, I presented myself and got the cases dismissed....
3 likes@The Scenarios that fuckin rough man. I can’t imagine the way that would make you feel inside. So fucked up.
2 likes@David Kilburn my brother has had the shit beat out of him and unlawfully arrested 4x, tazed after being cuffed 3 of those times, and this last time, was attacked by the cop dog, shot with a riot gun and 5 guys ganged up on him..... And to top it off, they recently arrested my elderly parents 81 & 60, for demanding to see a warrant before allowing police in the home, the police said it was in the car, which we knew was a lie, and decided to shove their way in anyway.... A month later the cops come back and arrest them.... Like wtf?
0 likes@David Kilburn first time my brother was arrested because he spanked my nephew, cops threatened my sister with cps removing her kids if she didn't press charges, second time, he was teaching my homeschooled at the time kids, about usnea (not sure how to spell it) a plant that grows on trees and is antibacterial, antiviral and kills cancer, the pigs (who I think set him up) showed up with a warrant to arrest my ex husband, whom my father has a ppo against, and the pigs knew he wasn't allowed on the property, anyway, they saw the usnea and claimed it was pot, while he was out on bond, they obviously beat the shit out of him for nothing, then tazed him in cuffs, in front of my children, almost trampling my 1 year old at the time, cps then used my kids witnessing police brutality as a form of 'abuse and neglect' on my part, somehow that was my fault, and they took my kids. About 3 weeks after he got out I delivered a baby at the hospital, cps had an emergency hearing (different father) and claimed 'improper supervision' at the hospital and took him 6 hours after he was born, so my brother made a Facebook post, yes a Facebook post, saying that we all need to get together and take down the corrupt government.... Again the cops came and said he was a terr-or-ist, beat the shit out of him again, arrested him and he sat in jail with a 500 k bond, for 6 months, a child (under 13) rapist had a 150k bond and only sat for 3 months..... Same judge for both of them..... Then this last time, we were out on our side by side and a cop pulled us over because 'he didn't know us,' and 'we were on the side of the road,' which is legal on the road we were on, so after we proved that we informed the officer there was nothing else he could ask us, nor could he continue the stop because his suspicion had been satisfied, he didn't like that, so he called for backup and they ended up beating the shit out of my brother after sicking the dog on him and shooting him with the riot gun, because he 'violated probation' by 'being in an off-road vehicle.' The cops here are so corrupt and have a personal vendetta against our family......
0 likes@The Scenarios Jesus. What a horrific story. Thank you for sharing, and I truly hope things get better and with my soul I hope all the best for your children.
4 likes@David Kilburn thank you, I know Yahuah will bring them home, he gave me dreams of all of this before it happened, and he has given me dreams they will be returned. It just sucks that cps hasn't let me see them since they were taken on October 28, 2019, and I haven't been able to speak to them since May 16 last year.
0 likes@George jail is where you go if you have a short sentence or youre awaiting trial, so your cousin isnt right or hes seen something strange. Career criminals with long sentences go to prison.
0 likes@Alex C Yes I obviously know that.
0 likesThat also makes jail likely worse because unlike prison, there aren't nearly as many protective regulations for inmates as prison. He was a jailer in Arpaio's jail too.
I been arrested and jailed 3 (4?) times in my life.
0 likesNever prosecuted.
Why?
Because it was all BULLSHIT.
@The Scenarios Forget the PTSD
0 likes@Baby Driver One cannot just 'forget PTSD.'
2 likes@Baby Driver wow....
2 likesI’ve been to jail twice but as a pretty boy looking dude I do whatever I can to stay out of prison..
0 likes@George that’s the oddest shit I’ve ever heard
0 likes@Derek _
1 likeHA!
I know the feeling, bud.
I have a very handsome youngest son, gets hit on all the time. I told him not to get mad, just politely tell them you like girls and walk away.
That wouldn't work in the big lockup.
I’ve been to the joint 8 days and nights, worst experience of my life. Felt like 3 months had passed and was only out in the sunlight for an hour in that time. Funny thing is the CO’s were more threatening than the inmates, like they were seriously trying to hurt you for no reason. ACAB
2 likes@Osama bin Diesel maybe it’s because they thought you were related to osama bin laden so they didn’t treat you right?
0 likesyoutube stop. bring back the other videos!
5 likesHonestly. Every time a cop says that he’s got “evidence” they are reaaaally reluctant to actually show it to you. Something which as far as I know is your right
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It is in the court system, but not necessarily in the interrogation room. The interrogation is to gather evidence for the police. That's why EVERY lawyer says NEVER, under any circumstance, ESPECIALLY if you're innocent, talk to the police without a lawyer present. Once it goes to the DA, that's when evidence must be presented.
121 likes@T G exactly, there's a great lecture about that. It's incredible how confessions remain important to this day and can impact so much a verdict. Michel Foucault wrote a lot of interesting things about the history of confessions.
13 likesYou have the right to know the evidence against you yes, and that's what the trial procedure is for. Besides, the cops aren't the people you fight the charges with. There is no point to ever try and convince a cop you're innocent. It can only hurt your situation.
10 likesits always a bluff. If they did have evidence, they would use it against them by letting them speak n contradicting themselves with what they have.
1 like@Svetozar ⁰
0 likesIf they had enough they would charge you and throw you straight in jail and forget about you til court came. Anytime your being spoken to, there's simply not enough.
1 like@QuantumXFluxMD youre completely wrong.
0 likes@QuantumXFluxMD your grammar physically pains me
3 likes@Doug Anderson how so?
0 likes@Ur mom Coming from a YouTube username with a literal typo in it, I don't think I'm concerned what my "grammar" does to you
1 likeEsp considering that my only mistake was I used their instead of they're once.
@QuantumXFluxMD first of all, what typo?
2 likesSecond of all, you also used "your" instead of "you're", which is one of the first things you learn when learning English and is not a hard concept to grasp whatsoever which is what makes it that much more painful
This interrogator frustrates me so much. Not that I have ever been trained in interrogation or have any idea of what he's doing, but the mind games are so obvious. "The question isn't if you did it but why." Dude, zip it. The cop sounds afraid. He stumbles over his words, interrupts the man, tells obvious bluffs. Shouldn't you be trained to read the room and know that that tactic will not work? I can barely watch it. It's so heart-wrenching.
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How much does it affect your conclusion that you have the foresight of knowing the suspect was truly innocent
16 likesHe’s trying to exert dominance and failing miserably.
21 likes@Arto Harto hey don't hit them with logic like that. Their brains can't handle it. I mean it's not like the narrator even said himself "hindsight is 20/20"
3 likesThat question is the first step of the reid technique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_technique ) and the interrogator isn't very good at it. That technique is illegal in several european countries as far as i remember. Especially against juveniles.
7 likesthat is the exact question EVERY detective asks.
0 likes@MinqApoc fyi, the link you post has erroneously the bracket in it; you may want to amend that to make it work.
1 likeThank you for the link though
@Arto Harto the joke is someone guilty would probably laugh at him internally and see through his bs.
2 likesthe reason this technique would work is cause the person you're using it on is in stress and isn't capable of dissecting your bs in the moment.
Joke is an innocent person is probably more likely to stress and overlook things in such interactions, than someone who would commit a crime. doesn't that make sense?
@Delfinen Teddyson thanks for telling me :) corrected it
1 like@hitnail halfway google reid technique and you'll know why
1 likeThen they hold you for as long as needed, refuse to give you food or water, and coerce them into a confession. And that's not a myth. So many people that have been forced to confess a crime they didn't commit.
1 like@Arto Harto I think the thing that affects my conclusion the most is the fact that the caller to 911 literally said it was a short white man not a 6’3 black man sitting in that room. Or did you miss that part?
2 likes@AngryTwxGaming and I suppose your brain couldn’t handle the fact that the 911 call described the suspect as a short white man but there’s a tall black man sitting in front of that detective.
4 likes@Jamal Sowell land of the free :)
0 likesWhat if the real psycopaths are the interrogators that will do anything to get promoted.
2 likesAlways remember, an interrogator's job is to pin a crime down to a tangible person whose name can be placed in a book.
138 likesTheir job is not to enforce justice and give everyone a fair chance.
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Perfectly said. 👍
2 likesThat is certainly true in areas where they use the Reid technique, but here in the UK for example cops arent allowed to lie to a suspect. I'm not saying they're all your mates or anything, but they are way less confrontational here.
9 likesIm no lawyer but im pretty sure youre not going to get sent to prison just because you confessed. Evidence is key, and if the investigators get a confession they can narrow in on where they search for. And they wont have to interview and search for suspects.
1 like@Booxwee A confession is evidence - even if made under duress.
2 likes@Rafy Hay But it isnt enough to get a conviction, right?
0 likes@Booxwee I respect your opinion but in america all the police/detectives want to do is place you at the scene of the crime, then they can manufacture a case with any evidence they have. I've heard a dozen cops say "I'm not interested if you're guilty or not, if we want you to be guilty we can certainly make it look that way! " There are thousands of innocent people who never confessed and sit on death row or some top tier maximum security prison for life. It's not what they know, it's what they can prove.
1 likeThis maybe a bad example but if you look at the Steven Avery case (Netflix to make a murderer) not his second conviction but his first conviction. There was no physical evidence or witnesses (other than the complaintant) just a couple of angry woman who didn't like Avery. That's all it took. 18 years later the truth finally came out. That's a long time when you're innocent of the crime your serving time for. That's real hard time. The sad part about it is that it keeps happening all over the world. The system does not work. If it did those officers and States Attorneys office should be in jail. How is there evidence if the person is innocent? Someone or someone's had to manufacture the evidence or coerced the suspect into confessing. (Sometimes under duress.
1 like@Silenced Rage Alrighty, I know you dont respect police officers but what do you whink of lawyers?
1 like@Booxwee their worse because they will actually offer you up to the state's attorney. I've seen lawyers doing deals with the state's attorney. I get this conviction and then you owe me a favor. So this guy goes to jail but the lawyers next client gets a sweet deal or gets off scott free. The whole system is messed up. I had a case in cook county Il. as a juvenile I received 11 months for two attempt murders. The kid after me got 6 years for one attempt murder, first offense. Same lawyer. Not to mention my lawyer requested the judge because he played golf with him. Just like any profession there are always the bad ones and there's the honest hard working folks that have some high morals and beliefs and don't play that game. The police are different because the "so called good cops" always turn a blind eye to the bad ones and to be honest that makes them even worse. I've had people in my family, friends and even enemies who have been railroaded by the police and the courts. Even with my two attempt murder charges we're somewhat bogus. The two individuals that I hurt were not only wanted by the police but we're adults at the time of the incidents and I was a juvenile. They waited three months to press charges. The town that they were wanted ended up dropping the charges because of their injuries. Then and only then did they file charges against me. At the time I believed what I was doing was right but over the years I changed my stance. No one has the right to hurt an other person. I know this is more than what you asked but I thought a little context would help out on my train of thoughts into the topic.
1 likeCandy should have got the sentence the innocent man would have got.
2781 likesShe tried to put him away for 20 years on false charges.
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Exactly what I been saying this whole time, that shit ruins lives
129 likesso true
8 likesIt's even says he was put away for about 2 years that's fucking ridiculous
70 likesI disagree, she should've gotten that on top of the punishment she got for her crimes. Being that harsh on people making false accusations is the only way to stop that madness from happening.
106 likesExactly
1 like@tavairus hernandez no he wasn't the video says he was about to be put away for 2 years
9 likesFun fact, that was the law in Israel in biblical times. False witnesses got what they accused the person of.
33 likes@ZenleeK Quite a fair law. Would certainly solve the issue of false accusations wasting valuable time and resources for the judicial system
22 likesYa she should be fined at least
1 likeWhat are you on about women aren't held to the same accountability as men don't joke yourself
11 likes@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous Exactly
0 likesIt's not unlikely that her abusive boyfriend made her frame him as a cover for his abuse. given we know he was violent, he could have threatened her into compliance. That kind of thing is certainly not unheard of. I wouldn't judge her without knowing the full details of the situation personally.
14 likes@disaster-png hope she sees this bro
4 likes@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous I'm a woman. A bi one but that's besides the point lol. I love how ur immediate assumption is I'm a dude thirsting after a woman I've never seen 😂. Projection is a funny thing.
13 likes@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous all I'm saying is Im not gonna make a judgement without the full context of the situation bc life is crazy and assumptions are silly. Idk what could've happened to make things go the way they did, I barely have any information about it, so I feel it's reasonable to suspend judgement. I didn't know that was an out there take.
5 likes@disaster-png you must be American
2 likesHope she sees this bro
@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous touch grass. Normal people don't thirst after women they've literally never seen.
9 likes@JenkhemHuffersAnonymous Is it lonely down there in your mom's basement?
6 likes@disaster-png nah I got my waifu body pillow I'm good
0 likesHope she sees this bro
@disaster-png oh I didn’t know that he was abusive I guess I shouldn’t have jumped to conclusions without knowing the full situation my bad
1 like@Sexy Shrekk the guy being interviewed mentioned that the last he heard candy's boyfriend had been arrested for domestic violence (presumably against candy)
4 likes@Shardy McSmoker bruh I'm just autistic
1 likeThe problem with that idea is that it could discourage people who've had a crime committed against them from speaking up under fear of being arrested. It would be especially hard on sexual assault/rape victims, since evidence is often a lot harder to bring to the table.
6 likesYes, put her away for 20 years in a men's prison
1 like@Justice KaeYoss ikr
0 likes@Stefanny Dvorak yeah but I mean I'm not assuming my scenario is the truth. Just one of many possibilities. So I don't wanna assume anything and call for a possibly innocent person to be punished when I have little to no info
0 likesfalse charges like that desrves severe consequenes of trying to end a life
1 like@Meatman the statement made is “Was not aware he was about to be wrongfully inprisoned for just over 2 years”. This means he was in prison for just over 2 years after this point until the case was tried. That’s wrong on so many levels
0 likesI swear! And that 2 years in prison can really affect someone mentally, all because that girl wanted to lie
0 likesWerd
0 likesActually a similar situation happened in Poland not long ago, causing much uproar. Tomasz Komenda got wrongfully imprisoned for 18 years for a rape and murder he didn't commit in 1997. His trial was in 2004 and the main witness, Dorota P. had been arguing with Tomasz's grandmother telling her "You'll be crying because of me someday.". Overly zealous police officers and court employees took her words as prime evidence despite contrary DNA results. As soon as evidence came to the surface around 2018 that well, he didn't do it, the poor Dorota P. died of a heart attack, which is a very common cause of death for inconvenient witnesses in Poland and most of Eastern and Central Europe. The guy is free, the witness is dead, the guy who did it is having his trial postponed indefinitely because now he's old and cranky. Welcome to Poland.
0 likesFor the record, I do not have suicidal tendencies.
If you falsely accuse someone and they get convicted you should get at least a year in jail
0 likes@ZenleeK yeah, but what if the accused got stoned to death. False witnesses got stoned to death for murder. As a deterrent. Hi price to pay for innocence. Which is why it costs a high price for lying in that case.
0 likes@CornholioPuppetMaster If there's evidence that shows their intent was to harm against an "innocent" person instead of blindly seeking justice.
0 likesPolice: "Here's 12 men, pick one who's life you want to ruin for the next 2 years"
5977 likesCandy: "Hmmm, let's go with this guy!"
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It's likely worse than that. My guess is that she knew about his past crimes and figured the cops wouldn't dig too deeply if the suspect had a record of the same activity.
436 likesWARNING I am the unprettiest human YTer worldwide. Take the hint, dear dennis
5 likesPretty sure it was more directed than that. I'm pretty sure sure had the intention to frame him all along. People are sick.
159 likesIt was nr 5. Number 5 killed my brother.
45 likesTell me whyyyyyy
19 likes@AxxL thanks for the warning
20 likes20 years
0 likesif i were the police 11 of the 12 guys wouldn`t even be suspects in these cases. That way you minimise this probability of someone being wrongly accused. Ok...in this case it wousn`t work.
1 like@Whut Dafeq aint nothin but a heartache
11 likesIt wasn't random. She picked the guy she knew from the line up. If she had picked any one else, they would have let them go. Police know who the suspect is in the lineup and choosing anyone else is seen as evidence that the witness is unreliable.
11 likesUnconscious racism
1 like@Whut Dafeq Tell me why! Ain't nothing but a heartache.
1 likePerolta: Oh forgot about a murder there for a sec.
@Kostas Trikala That's exactly what the police does. 🤦♀️
1 likeI don't know, he was singing that back street boys song.
1 like@Robert Wise i don't get why she would "cover" it. couldn't she just have dropped the damn charges? she's either a plant or malicious, no?
1 like@Light no, once you press charges even if you drop them, if they are these kind of charges the state will continue to press charges on their own
2 likes@Robert Wise State will press for you most of the time. If the cops get called and somebody been beat on(and the combatants live together), somebody's goin to jail, hence the fairytale about Justin coming in and robbing/attacking them.
2 likesWomen moment
3 likesWhy is her name candy lol
0 likesYou know that her name is spelled with a K, just has to be
0 likesWhat happend to candy? Did she get charged for wrongful accusations?
0 likesThat tactic worked for Mike NiFong and Crystal Mangum
0 likes@David Vincent She probably won't, but we need vigilante justice done to her.
0 likesThe sentence was over 10 years. He got let out after only 2 years because they eventually found him innocent.
0 likesLikely a lie, police can do that
0 likes45,000 for 3 days in jail???! Arrest me!!!! :-)
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That's $15k a day. The salary of a CEO of a small to midsize company
0 likesDemoted and suspended music 🎵 to my ears straight racism
0 likesI love this video. I was once falsely accused of something and apparently me being “defensive” to the accusation meant I was guilty. People need to educate themselves and this video is great for that - well done
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I love JCS videos. He has helped me alot to learn the process. If I'm ever guilty, lol, I'm raising hell and be really angry during interrogation because obviously innocent people are upset and surprised at the situation instead of pre-planned an answer why i shouldn't be guilty. ;)
3 likesTaking lots of notes
I never went to jail or anything but I had cops at my new apartment accusing me of being the aunt of some runaway kid... I didn't know the kid or the parents and told them over and over and they still looked at me like mam just tell us the truth about where the kid is I'm like omg I don't know them.. the next day I got a call from a detective apologizing to me.. talk about scary..I've never been in trouble my whole life and I'm 36.. they definitely treat you like you are guilty before proving innocence
2 likesFor a short white man he sure is a tall black man 🤣🤣
0 likesit's unfortunate to know that the psychology of a self-reflective introvert person, who's trying to reason with the circumstances, can be easily overwhelmed by an investigator and admit to things that he/she haven't done. It's scary that it happened a lot prior to cc tv's existences, and with the lack of thorough investigation.
93 likesThank you for the time you took to prepare these wonderful videos.
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He didn't admit to anything in this case.
0 likes@Cutland Springs I know that! I wasn't talking about this particular investigation.
0 likesI was wrongfully arrested once and I behaved more like the guy in the white shirt. It really felt like a throwback watching the guy actually.
625 likesI stayed really calm because I knew I did not do anything wrong and I trusted that the system would work. And my interrogator actually told me: "You are acting as if you were guilty." "How so?" "Innocent people usually get angry" (like the second guy).
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but the second guy was also innocent
19 likes@vheiissu I am not saying otherwise, I am actually saying that my interrogator would have agreed with the assessment that innocent people who get accused usually get angry.
108 likesWhat a weird thing, if you stay calm and try cooperate as best as you can, they think you are guilty even though calmness in my mind indicates that a person does not fear actually being punished for a crime because they now for a fact they did not commit one.
Like you, I am the calm, helpful, commiserate type. I know the interrogator has a difficult job and probably has people claim their innocence all the time.
39 likesNot after seeing this video, though. I'm going to be demanding of my lawyer and vocal of my innocence.
@B. Calvin Saul Good idea.
2 likes@B. Calvin Saul best of luck Buddy
1 like"...Well NOW I'm angry!"
3 likesOMG I had a VERY similar experience a few years ago. In my case the interrogator said to me “you’re acting suspicious. Truly innocent people will argue back. Unconditional compliance is a sign of a guilty conscious.” I did nothing wrong yet found myself in a police department in a no win situation.
23 likesI respect police, but I learned the hard way they can’t be trusted.
The end goal of those interrogations is to get a confession from you
2 likesMaybe they know your calmness is irrelevant and just want to see how you react from being really threatened to be considered guilty, which reaction could be more relevant to them.
4 likesI doubt they would tell you you look guilty, just like that, because they think so, without a precise objective in mind.
I feel like I would've said something like "did you forget to put your glasses on when you were reviewing that tape?" I would've been calm until the detective started playing games with me and then I'd insult his intelligence.
9 likesI hope it didn't ruin your life
1 likeToo much trust in the rotten system then
1 like@B. Calvin Saul don’t even answer any questions. Ask for your lawyer, don’t talk to the police. It does not make you look guilty, and speaking to the police will allow them to twist your words into something that can incriminate them.
5 likesI was falsely accused of a serious crime too.
0 likesI was never arrested but was interviewed/interrogated twice.
I acted the exact same way you did, calm and reassured because I know I did nothing wrong. Sorry your interrogator was pure shit.
Literally Kafkaesque
0 likesAnd If you were angry He would say innocents are calmer
0 likesIt’s scary to think that people can be accused of being guilty without any proof but you can’t be innocent until there’s proof.
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That's actually the opposite way the law is supposed to work, proving a negative is impossible it's the onus of the police to prove guiltm
7 likes@Jack Hughman your right but we all know thats not how it is in practice
10 likesIt is only like that in Advanced bitter states like America, even some 3rd rate country in Asia have better practice.
0 likes@Nervein Z Thats simply not true
0 likes@Nervein Z I think you need to read your reply again, it's incoherent.
1 likeits scary to think people would get raped and all because they didnt have "proof" whoever did it would walk free and continue
0 likes@apology girl If your going to make life ruining accusations against someone you damn well better have some solid proof.
0 likes@Nullname if ur gonna make a life raping someone and literally ruin there life cuz of it forever, and cry like a baby when you get ur "life ruined "for it dont do the crime
0 likes@apology girl Not what I'm saying at all. If you have no evidence a rape or crime occurred then it most likely didn't happen, there is no perfect crime. Also are you implying I live the life of a rapist and that I'm crying over the prospect of getting caught. Throwing out a lot of accusations in a very incoherent manor. Honestly can barely understand wtf your saying in your reply so I'm just guessing. Whatever your saying evidence needs to be provided in order for something to be proven in court. You can't just me to someone for no reason with no evidence based on a he said she said argument. Honestly what the hell happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty it blows my fucking mind.
0 likes@Girl Idk So you're saying convict people on no evidence and pure emotion? Alright I think this conversation is done.
0 likes@Nervein Z Even worse in Belarus, here suspicion is enough, no evidence needed.
1 likeTwo people were accused of terrorism and were given the death penalty.
Shits fucked up. America sucks, but it could be much, much worse.
The amount of rage that fills my body everytime the detective says there's no debate about Michael's innocense is unfathomable. I can't imagine how I would react in that situation.
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Imagine being told you were seen/caught on camera whilst knowing it’s not possible, the injustice is ridiculous
36 likesIt's spelled unfathomable bruh
1 like@Very Cheesy boi With someone like you lurking in the comments, nobody needs an autocorrector to replace their typos.
16 likes@Very Cheesy boi Thanks, was typing too fast for my brain to handle at the time it seems lol
7 likesI'd be as calm as Michael and try to gather Intel on homeboy doing the interrogation's family. I'd want to know who they are.
0 likes@Peter Baxter thats bluff...
0 likesI would be smiling at all the money I would get.
1 likeDude I would freak out if I was being falsely accused like tf how are u supposed to prove that u didnt do it
2 likesI have a wee bit of a temper and a low tolerance for BS, so I would probably say something that would get be beaten and would probably be one of those stories you hear about an innocent person spending time in jail due to falsified documents and bias. Of course, my self-preservation instinct would probably force me to be relatively well-behaved. No way in hell would I "confess" or even talk to them any more than claiming my innocence. They're not going to release me based on anything I say anyway, so what's the point of talking and potentially saying something they can twist into a confession or twist into evidence they will use against you. This is why competent lawyers are important. They will keep you from falling for this which makes it a lot harder for the police to frame you. Of course, if you're poor, good luck with that.
0 likesFor real. I’d lose my fucking mind..
0 likesWhy are literally all the videos being taken down
3 likesI felt so mad on behalf of both of those men. Must be terrifying and so stressful to be in those positions.
65 likesAnyone falsely imprisoned should be paid at very least minimum wage for every single hour they were imprisoned, that's the bare minimum they should receive in compensation
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The problem is that they do calculate based on that, minus the cost of keeping them in prison i.e. cost of housing, food, electrical. Generally speaking they'll pay a little more than the bare minimum but most of the lawsuits is because the amount is just not fair with all the deductions
0 likes@Vault Chang the deductions should not be a part of it, and I'm betting they calculate based on an 8hr day five days a week as a lost wages kind of thing rather than a 24 hours per day incarcerated
0 likesYou can tell that detective was stupid as shit, just trying to get invisible threads.. Glad everyone got demoted and suspended without pay. Glad he got a civil suit and won. Good stuff.
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The moral of the story ... "don't go to canada"
12 likesShould have gotten more than he did and they should have been fired. But at least they did something. Hopefully they also made all officers involved go through some sort of re-training so this doesn’t happen again.
13 likes@Abbaz girl i'm assuming some basis for the monetary compensation is the amount of lost wages.
1 like@soccerguy2433 yeah, but I’m assuming that it went mostly to his lawyer so I doubt that it actually made a difference. Which is sad because who knows what this has done to his mental health or if it ruined his reputation. In my opinion they should have had to pay for his legal fees and pay out at least 100,000.
0 likesI wonder how many people in jail or prison are there because people were wrongly accused.
0 likesWhat happened to Christmas with Cliff?
2 likesI hate how the interrogator was immediately telling him that the question of his innocence is not even up for discussion. Seeing how this went that was exactly how the interrogator was thinking. He did not want to know the real story and was only looking for things to pin him down on, so vile.
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But that’s how interrogators work. If this was a guilty suspect, you wouldn’t have ever said that. Their job is to get a confession from a suspect.
0 likesNever ever talk to the police without an attorney. Say nothing, do nothing, and when it's over, sue the hell out of them.
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True that.
4 likesYes yes yes
4 likesUntil they convince the court to make asking for a lawyer equal to admitting guilt lol.
The cops have what they have. Why give them any more ?
3 likesThe end of this video is the most joyful I’ve been all week. This man made 15,000 a day for 3 days AND the idiots got demoted AND SUSPENDED?!!!!!!!! I love it
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me too! Justice is so sweet.
53 likesI wish I could be that happy but I'm stuck boiling because of all the other people who go through this yet don't get any of that.
127 likesHaha, yeah. Goddamn it was so infuriating to watch that interview - kudos to the guy though, keeping so calm when the interviewer was obviously lying to his face. I know it would be cooler if he raged but I personally respect his chill demeanor much more.
25 likesA different question, of course, is if it had been better for him to get angry, but in this case 46k + the sense of justice when those bastards got demoted and suspended - I'd say he got what he deserved.
WITHOUT PAY 🤡
13 likes@Tech Huh? Pretty sure JCS said the dude got 46k usd, no?
4 likes@Kristaps Muravjovs they were referring to the officers being suspended without pay
13 likes@sikander is the biggest scumbag to ever exist ah, gotcha, my bad, thanks for clarifying!
5 likes@sikander is the biggest scumbag to ever exist That's not what they were referring... JCS said 46k, to which Melanie said 15 a day for 3 days, because that's basically it, he was wrongfully held for 3 days and compensated by 46k total, that's roughly 15k a day, what does that amount to? Exactly. It's simple math and English.
3 likes@Xeonzs do you even know what is going on in this conversation? Like do you even know who I was talking to? Because it doesn't seem like it.
14 likesThat's not enough. His attorney probably got half, and those officers should have been fired. It's a lot better outcome than I was expecting, though.
10 likesnot enough, they should all have to serve the same amount of jail time as him, gotten fired, and publicly shamed
5 likesThey should be fired.
2 likesProbably also had a bunch of other days in court and his lawyers probably took 1/3rd of the money, but yea, hopefully he was satisfied with the end result.
1 likeNo. His lawyer gets a huge cut of that.
0 likesDon't forget Justin who spent two years in jail on false charges. 5:49
1 like46k for 3 days....kinda wants me to be falsely accused....
0 likesRight! But I think the investigators should have been fired. I'm glad there was some sort of punishment, but for what they did, their punishment was a slap on the wrist! They deserved to be fired!
1 likemy God, that is the warmest thing ever ever
2 likesI hope these "investigators" are not only demoted but jailed too. You cant play with someone's life and reputation
That was the most horrible investigator ever and I think he was just trying to prove him guilty for his own promotion
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What I learn from criminal justice course as well as these type of stories is that police just wants to close the case. Their valuation comes from how many cases they closed. The same as the number of convictions Prosecutor can get on their book regardless if the defendant is guilty or innocents. The detective was willing to string arm Michael into confessing to a crime he did not commit. It crazy to think they can convince someone to admit to a crime they didnt commit but you got to understand that police can hold you for 48 hours just trying to psychologically tear you down. In the end, anyone normal person would admit it with just enough time. Michael was strong in his conviction and they didnt held him long in the interrogation room.
39 likes@dis cover Cops don't get evaluated based on cases closed, otherwise every case they came across they wouldn't bother to investigate and just blame it on someone but write down "not enough evidence to charge".
2 likesTypically when police officers commit misconduct in an attempt to have someone confess, it's because they have absolute conviction that this person is guilty and that this is the only way to convict them, but in most cases and otherwise police will just follow by their duty as normal.
@Bear Marco but the dude had no conviction. Just a lot of racism and a want to pin it on a black guy 🤷♀️ or convenient to him guy 🤷♀️🤷♀️ dudes should just do their god damn jobs properly.
5 likes@spongebobsjellyfish someone is convicted after they're charged, which is after an investigation, as such you can't say he wasn't convicted because it would make no sense if he was.
1 likeAdditionally, seeing this individual does not prove that there was racism. This guy in his clothes and facial complexion may have looked exactly like the suspect.
Finally, I may be crazy here, but I'm pretty sure that the guy there isn't black.
@Bear Marco dude you’re insane what are you on about how can you not see that the officer was talking out of his ass and tried to pin a crime on a short white man on a tall black dude
2 likes@Kaz Rodriguez
0 likes1 - that guy is not black
2 - cops are legally allowed to deceive during interview and interrogation (see Frazier v. Cupp)
3 - this dude made a mistake and was just given the suspect that the arresting cops gave him
4 - he didn't arrest him, other officers did that, he just took him into interrogation and initiated an official judicial police investigation
5 - crack
@Bear Marco The black man in this video isn't black? Even if the interrogator didn't know the details about the actual suspect, he has terrible intuition if he never even doubted that this guy was capable of robbing a jewelry store.
1 like@Bear Marco I meant no conviction as in; it’s not likely to be true, that his strong beliefs have no merit.
0 likesI know why he didn't protest his innocence forcefully. He's clearly an intelligent guy and knows that getting angry and having an outburst will not help him.
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One would THINK it would be that stupid cop's first "hint"..."Maybe I should do some of that INVESTIGATING, I keep seeing on the tv shows...?"
22 likesIt would be normal to be outraged when accused of something you didn't do. It would be a natural reaction.
27 likes@Justine Dildeau Of course. He didn't say otherwise, he just said that this guy is extremely emotionally intelligent to be calm, knowing that behaving like that won't help him at all.
23 likes@Julia Brouwer Okay cool story guy. Want a cookie?
1 like@Justine Dildeau What's the point of this comment?
16 likes@Kent, Knight of Caelin Because it's more than likely the way an innocent normal human being would act upon any assumption that they committed a crime they didn't commit. And getting upset wouldn't necessarily hurt you either in an interrogation room. As you can see here not being angry didn't really help him. I know you're just piggy backing off the comment you are simping for but cut the bs either way kiddo.
4 likesWhen incompetent cops decide you are guilty, everything becomes guilty behavior -- yell and scream about your innocence? Thou dost protest too much! Only a guilty man would do that! Stay calm and explain that they are wrong? Wait, if you're innocent why aren't you more upset at being allegedly falsely accused? Obviously you are guilty! You're screwed no matter what you do.
8 likesUh, being a meek pushover didn't help him either, genius. Maybe you missed the part where he was in jail for 3 days and ONLY exonerated when they did a proper investigation and saw evidence of his alibi?
1 like@Mez
2 likesThat’s not a meek pushover. That’s someone who is calm, collected and articulate. He defended himself as much as he could under the circumstances he was in. If he were to start yelling, cussing, pacing around do you think they would’ve rolled out the red carpet for him to leave?! Fu<k no! Not everyone has a knee jerk reaction to be outraged… apparently very few have the same emotional intelligence and presentation as this man.
@Kent, Knight of Caelin Someone proved his BS wrong eloquently and without malice. That busted his sensitive ego and now he's angry. So instead of saying "Oh, didn't think of that" he goes "KeWL SotRY BrO!!" like an toddler throwing a tantrum.
3 likesidk apparently he has a fear of public speaking and myb he has a hint of social anxiety and therefore didnt want to appear mean or respectless? however he is very polite and its sad he was treated so badly
0 likes@Justine Dildeau okay cool story my guy, you want a cookie?
2 likes@umungus Okay 5-year-old
0 likes@Justine Dildeau dude now thats hilarious, you just called yourself a 5 year old🤣
3 likes@umungus I called you a 5-year-old.
0 likesi wish my dad was like this
0 likesEspecially when you are black
0 likes“How can tou prove to me you were at home” uhmmmm he doesn’t have to prove that... you have to prove he wasn’t at home. The burden falls on the accuser not the accused
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how do you know ? are you a psychiatrist or an interogator ? OR ARE YOU A Lawyer ?
10 likes@Giorgos Toskas because thats the law?
346 likes@Giorgos Toskas Dumb questions
199 likesBut of course there are always those "bent" cops who will fabricate evidence (even DNA can be planted at a crime scene)
34 likesbut that was the problem, the accuser claimed they saw him, so he kind of does need something to verify his side of events. Thank god they eventually found the truth but do I understand correctly that he was still in jail for 2 years because of it? Did he recieve any compensation? It fuckin sucks
28 likes@Giorgos Toskas Because at least in America we have a saying that's "innocent until proven guilty" not guilty until proven innocent.
17 likes@Giorgos Toskas it’s literally one of our American rights , innocent till PROVEN. Guilty , burden is on the state
17 likes@Mustang 0524 If you have every been through the system, you would know that that phrase does not apply to cops, only in the court room.
12 likesIn an argumentative aspect, yes. However, he is being accused of not being in his house; therefore he does have to prove that he was in his house. Then it becomes he said, she said, but... it’s easier to just have evidence than the said, she said, BS [+]
3 likes@El Plebe Uchiha the state has to prove he wasn't at home, not the other way around. Since the founding of the United States even the justices of the highest court tell citizens to never talk to cops.
10 likes@Mavoc Well that's why we're arguing it here. That's why the video is horrible.
2 likes@Giorgos Toskas Yes, because they are the only 3 types of people who know 😂 That's like saying "how do you know it's illegal to murder, are you a Judge?" And you know what a psychiatrist is, right? They don't usually attend law school to become one 🤣
8 likes@Giorgos Toskas "innocent until proven guilty" my ass!
1 likeNot in every country
0 likes@Mustang 0524 the title is meant to be a play on words of that phrase to show that the cop is lying and stating hes guilty when he isnt
1 like@Sean Brophy I know that I was responding to giorgios
0 likes@Hingle McCringleberry Yea, the problem wasn't really all the cops fault, it was a woman lying. Hopefully that woman went to jail, sounds like she was trying to save her bfs ass. Compensation has to be almost default. If not, he could easily sue and he would surely win.
5 likes@Mustang 0524 with all officers you are guilty until proven otherwise
0 likes@Whyntir Yep, unfortunately andddddddd that's my point.
0 likes@Giorgos Toskas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) ; this is also law and it is a really good law and good concept, really logical. the fact that it doesn't apply because of incompetence and bias should and I think is a crime. Is literally not respecting law
0 likes@Mustang 0524 ok thx
0 likes@Sizzel TV Real life isnt NYC Law and Order. You would be shocked at how much circumstantial evidence, hearsay, and character references play a role in convictions. 75%+ is pure hearsay, fingerprints arent real (rarely found because it needs to be glass or metal and very clean), the prosecution lies, the cops lie. All your innocent concepts of the justice system and law enforcement are completely nieve. All these people talkin "rights" and "here in america" have no fucking idea.
1 likeNice one.x
0 likesthis is 100% true, and is also among the many many many reasons to NEVER talk to police under any circumstances without a lawyer.
1 like@Mustang 0524 to bad that is just a saying now. It has not actually been true for a very long time.
0 likes@Will Mason Yea it's sad. That's why people should never speak to the police regardless of innocence or guilt.
1 like@Michael sorry I should have been clearer, I was talking about the white bearded gent, not the main guy
0 likes@Giorgos Toskas because its one of the great logical fallacies
0 likesIf only that was how america actually worked. Unfortunately no one cares about innocence.
1 like@Giorgos Toskas I love how you literally didn't reply again lmfao
0 likes@Alec McDonald Still they need to be able to prove that they spotted him - so the burden should still be on the cops to prove that.
0 likes@El Plebe Uchiha you are incorrect... He don't have to prove anything... He gave explanation...(his mistake) Cops job is to cheek that explanation... And prove you lie/clear you....it's impossible to prove you never done something. This is why the burden falls on crown/state to prove you did....etc...Can't prove a negative.
0 likes@Dazzletoad The real reason why "innocent until proven guilty" is a thing is because logically, it is impossible to prove a negative. Easiest example; I'm an (agnostic) atheist and even I acknowledge that I cannot prove that God does not exist. Gnostic atheists claim to do so and that is why they end up making themselves look foolish (the classic "fedora tipper" atheist). This is because an obtuse person could come up with "well what if" scenarios until the end of time that you could not satisfy. To put it in a court scenario, if you were accused of a murder and had to prove your innocence, even if you had a rock solid alibi a corrupt prosecutor could say "Ah but actually that was your UNKNOWN-UNTIL-NOW TWIN BROTHER who was gone that day" or something equally ridiculous. You would have to fend off accusations until the end of time.
0 likesI have a social IQ of a cucumber and I have a hard time communicating thoughts to words but I was questioned once about a crime I had nothing to do with and as much as I wanted to remain silent I talked with the investigators. I’ve never felt more confident, direct in control of my thoughts and words whenever I answered their questions. This is absolutely spot on.
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Fellow cucumber here 🙌🏻
15 likesPlease don't tell me they detained you for three and a half days
0 likesYou are funny and obviously super smart..... to tease yourself by saying social IQ of a cucumber seems like you have self confidence and are happily self aware of your short comings....we can all get a lesson from you
11 likesrain tree thanks for that.
5 likesSo, that was professor chaos?
0 likesI'm in the same boat, I tend to become calmer and more confident when I have an actual emergency or threat to deal with. It's almost as if my brain lets go of worrying about what-ifs when it has something real to focus on.
3 likes@Jason Garret You are welcome Darling...love from Canada
1 likeSame here dude. I stutter like crazy, but when I'm interrogated, i speak as clear as day.
0 likesMy problem is subconsciously smiling when in uncomfortable situations. I had to tell my mother my father had died (i was 13, he lived in a different continent and I had to find out over Facebook of all things) and not knowing how to console her I just sat and smiled. I felt like a bad person. Happens all the time I'm in a stressful or uncomfortable situation. Let's pray no interrogations for me lol.
7 likesAstroBlast I feel you!! I smile too💀
2 likes@AndyBeans me too.
0 likesThat’s offensive to cucumbers
0 likes14:19 Thinks he has a doodie 🤣🤣🤣
0 likesI'm at genuine and utter shock, and also absolutely disgusted by that detective's unprofessionalism and disability to simply do his job correctly by looking at the reports.
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Happens every day. Every. Day. No joke.
2 likes@Sonny Liston disgusting.
2 likesThey got away withholding 7.6 million that Michael should have received, the going rate is $1,760 a minute for wrongful imprisonment trezevant vs miami.
0 likesThat guy was incredible. He had some serious patience with the cop telling lies and genuinely tried to be helpful, all the while knowing he needed a lawyer if the cops were going to try to catch him out.
83 likesAlso btw, this is more evidence to show that even when you're innocent, lawyer up straight away, because cops are not your friends (in that scenario), and want that conviction. Sure not all interrogators are like this in interrogations, I'm sure most are much better, but probably not a good idea to trust in them if the alternative is 2 years in prison waiting to get exonerated.
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@UsEliteSki that's not true, it's just a rare occurrence. better to be safe than sorry, though.
2 likesYeah, guilty or innocent get a lawyer.. detectives don't want the truth they want a conviction.
30 likesAdrian: "To serve and protect" are no longer valid. It turned into 'harass and incarcerate' long ago and the DA is only after getting another prosecution on his resume, never about taking some innocent persons freedom away. No scruples, morals or ethics and human values.
19 likesIt is a funny thing, how the suspects flap their gums as if they're helping to crack the case.
4 likesSuspect: "I didn't do it."
Investigator: "Oh, thank god. You can go. It's the guy in the other room."
Suspect: "Should I call my lawyer? I might have incriminated myself here."
Investigator: "Nah, you're good. Sorry we pulled you away from your busy life, but you know how it is."
Suspect: "Yes, I know. I mean, I could have easily been the perpetrator."
Investigator: "Tut, tut! I don't want to hear that negative talk."
@Amazing Kris ahahahaha well said
0 likesRemove "in that scenario" - cops make their money off the pain of others, if you're innocent the best thing they can do is make you look guilty - no cop ever got paid extra for letting an innocent man go free, but plenty got promoted for locking the first person they saw behind bars.
5 likesI've told all my kids this. Even if they steal a pack of gum, get a lawyer
1 likeDon't Talk To Cops, yeah. Dude should've kept insisting he have a lawyer present and shut up.
1 like"in that scenario" was misleading - they are NEVER your friends.
3 likesYeah, don't talk, insist on lawyer, if you mispeak or forget a detail while insisting your innocence you could end up making yourself look guilty.
3 likesEven if innocent never say anything. Ever. Always get a lawyer.
1 likeCops take the phrase "anything you say can and will be used against you" to a whole new level. They twist and turn your words to "fit" their theory to get a conviction. My interrogation lasted only the time it took me to say, "I plead the 5th. I'm invoking my right to remain silent until I speak to my attorney." (That was my response the moment they asked my name. I didn't even give them that!)
0 likesThe cop manipulating the camera, looked at the investigator and shrugged his shoulders as if to say, "oh well, so much for that". (I wanted to laugh!)
never defer responsibility onto others (police included)
0 likesYessir if there’s anything I’ve learned from JCS is that if I’m ever in an interrogation is to immediately wave my right to council and get a lawyer
0 likeswhether they are good interrogators bad ones, good cops or bad ones, whether you are innocent or you committed a crime or infraction you answer must always be " I want to invoke my 5th amendment right to not incriminate myself so I will not answering any question, and I want a lawyer now", right after those requests shuts the fuck up and don't speak another word until you have a lawyer to speak with who will then speak on your behalf.
0 likesBtw, scary thing, people in the comments, imagine this interrogation happens in 2-5 years, when likely the cop can totally make a fake CCTV clip of him doing it with the software on his laptop (can already be done but cops aren't that tech savvy), and then actually make the evidence he made up.
0 likesHonestly racial discrimination through “lawful” injustice is too traumatizing to watch.
0 likesInnocent man: "I'm calling your bluff" shitty cop: "I'm doubling down"
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@Bryce Tbh, in a better world there would be no criminals because there's no need to steal. But a short while ago, I learned that the US has pivatised prisons, which sounds actually really disturbing because then the goal of the justice system becomes to arrest as many people as possible, as long as possible, and not to serve justice.
29 likesOh and racism is also bad
“I like to treat everyone like an individual”
5 likesLose the "shitty" adjective. This is standard procedure, he is utterly common in that regard, although well below average in eloquence.
2 likes@Bryce interesting points. But where are you going to exile them?
0 likes@Bryce I just don't think other countries would be too happy having some other countries convicts dumped on them. Uk used to just dump people in Australia but can't really do that any more.
1 likeIn the USA, we call people like that cop "Democrats."
1 like@Bryce where are you going to exile criminals, australia lol?
0 likes@Bryce lol, quit talking crap and substantiate your outlandish opinion
1 like@Bryce so you believe immigration is invasion. Have you heard about colonization? Where are you planning to exile indigenous to?
0 likes@Bryce I commend you for making long rants in youtube comment sections though, you actually think you can change people's opinions through your word spew
0 likes@Bryce and yes,I was joking when I said you were probably being racist
0 likes@Bryce Not planning on it until they commit a crime
0 likes@Bryce The prison system is adequate and properly represents guilty verdicts consistently. Oh, and I've lived in the U.S.A. all my life.
0 likes@luke kahn description: small white man, what they brought in: Tall black man.
1 likeEvidence: undeniable video evidence (that doesn’t exist). I sure hope this isn’t standard procedure otherwise all hope is lost
@Bryce It'll be all right man
0 likesdealer at the table: "Bust" takes all the money
0 likes@The Demonic Cell oh how naive you are that you think people only commit crimes out of greed and need.
0 likes@The Demonic Cell Gets worse when you look at the drug war. I wonder how long until somebody makes a timeline of when America stopped really caring about the constitution, like it's beginnings and effects through history. I guess that it's been that way from the start though
0 likes@Epical Failure In our current world, with the people we currently have, it wouldn't work, yes. But if the world was really good, society would change, and crime would just become something someone wouldn't even consider. In the perfect world, we wouldn't even need laws or police, as nobody would do anything that they could be tried for.
0 likesCop's are NOT your friend. You do two things.
3590 likes1-- Say "LAWYER"
2-- Shut-up.
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Exactly
72 likesRight. If I was falsely or even rightly accused I wouldn’t say a WORD until my lawyer was there.
145 likes"Anything you do or say can and will be used against you in a court of law."
195 likes...and NOT FOR you!
Innocent people need lawyers more than the guilty do.
165 likesWhat I did was speak gibberish to their questions "Bing ding bing bong bling king kong" and then every few words I'd just say "Lawyer"
74 likes@M Q Glad someone posted it - that lecture is a fantastic education. I re-watch it every 2-3 years.
23 likesBLUE LIES MATTER
25 likesPolice Officers are usually your Best Friend when you have a problem.
22 likesWhen a person is being interrogated, probably the Officers are not on YOUR side. So, yeah, in THAT case.
Your advice is EXCELLENT, in any case!
You said what I was typing... :) love it. 💯
3 likesThis can be put into one simple sentence: "The job of the police is not finding truth, but a culprit"
16 likes@Allister Caine Ya nice thought but not reality. I have seen for many years they just look for the ez prosecution. No excuse for "Justice" not to be used or part of the system.
4 likes@The OGgames False. This is a myth spread by cops. Do not cooperate with cops. Ask for a lawyer and then say nothing further.
14 likes@Bad Cornflakes you only need to say it once.
3 likesFriggen BINGO! Always remember the police are out to further their careers. If you are wrongly imprisoned for months/years - chances are the officer in question has already been moved up the ladder and will face little or no issues as a result. He is already enjoying the benefits, you get free accommodation, a wrecked cornhole and messed up life.
7 likesdon't shut up till you say "I am using my right to remain silent."
7 likesOr carry your own guns
1 likeSome countries, they don't allow you to see a lawyer until they done talking with you. They basically want to people to confess or use the words against them then let you have a lawyer
3 likesBut what if you can't afford a lawyer? Must so annoying to get a lawyer when you 100% innocent
Can you really just say I want my lawyer or whatever and they literally can’t do anything or do some people not have lawyers
1 likeWhen their questioning you their not your friend any other time their pretty chill if you didn't do anything wrong
0 likes@Chip yard omg that was such an eye opener‼️
1 like@NICK Z I have called the police many times in my life. 2x I was talking on the phone with someone when a bad guy was kicking their door in. I called tho police, got my baseball bat & drove over. Both x I was there before they were & took care of the problem before the men in blue showed up. I pointed in the direction the perp .ran. They said oh he s gone then ? I said he might be in that clump of trees. They stood around & gossiped never even looked. The second time was another friend his wife had a gun & was saying she was going to kill herself. I got off the phone & called them ,got to the house an hour before the cops got the gun & the keys . They came I asked them to take her or call an ambulance , as she was on a bipolar cycle suicidal. She was crying & pitching a fit. They left. I have to say cops have never been worth calling. Out of about 50 x maybe once they actually helped.
3 likesNot always.
0 likesI never really believed this, but seeing the imcompetence of some of these cops I changed my mind... What a clowns.
1 like@Train 2noplace buddies or related to the boys in blue. My friend is a 5th generation sheriff in his town of 600 people . Every person there is related by blood or marriage. I visited one summer & was invited to a birthday of a 4 year old. Every person in the town went to the Pig roast!!
1 like@Hyperツ most lawyer s are so busy, it takes them a few days to call you back.
0 likesWhen the military falls, the countries second defense is the Police. If the police fall, it is up to the citizens. If the citizens fall, so does the country. Who do you guys call when you have a problem? Someone just broke into your house, who are you going to call? The Ghostbusters? Since when did we start victimizing the police when they are here to SERVE AND PROTECT. To think on 9/11 that people like them, Cops, Firefighters, etc. they were our heros! Now we blame them for everyday things like racism (Which just so you guys know, HAS BEEN AROUND for centuries. The cops didn't start it), which is not even that common anymore in the US. You try to say that "All cops are bad", but they are the only thing standing between law and order and martial law, and trust me when I say this, NO ONE wants martial law. It will be living hell. So yes, cops are your friend. I do agree that you shouldn't talk to cops if they say that you are guilty, talk to your lawyer first and get his advice. But do not stand here and say the cops are evil because they are human too and EVERY HERE should be ashamed of themselves for thinking otherwise!
1 likeEven if you know you are innocent and can prove it. Will it make it a faster and better ending? Asking as a life pro tip if I ever get wrongfully accused like him.
0 likesYES. LAYWER OR STAY SILENT. COPS, EVEN KIND ONES, ARE PAID TO MAKE YOU GUILTY.
1 likeThats dumb and 1-dimensional. Jim does not even agree with this and has stated so in prior videos
0 likes@Weedspagon You want a lawyer and that is all you say from there on.
0 likes@Hyperツ Depends on the Country. Some “free” countries have public defenders. These are Lawyers paid by the state. Usually underpaid; and therefore usually one or more of: under qualified, incompetent, inexperienced, overworked. In Canada they have something called Legal Aid, which pays lawyers to defend those who can’t afford one.
1 likeIt’s a broken system, shackled by something called “plea bargaining”, and has absolutely nothing to do with truth or justice.
The best liars make the best lawyers, and the best lawyers become judges. There are principled lawyers, but they are working within a broken system.
@FrankIV [not my account] it’s important to steel yourself as well. There’s a not minimal chance that the cameras are about to “malfunction” and the phone books (reams of copy paper these days) are about to come out. You might be in for a few hours you’ll remember in your nightmares for the rest of your life, depending on how motivated they are to close the report.
0 likesKeep your mouth shut and be as prepared as anyone can be for some level of “enhanced interrogation.”
YOU NAILED IT.
0 likes@Blaze Fairchild How could the law be fair and impartial in a place like that?
0 likesOne thing about Canada: on the national and provincial levels at least, rookie cops are forced by seniority to go work in the boonies to start, and have to work their way back home with time on the job. There are plenty of other types of corruption, mind you...
By far the most intelligent advice here...
2 likes@Red thank you. Never realized I was curious about that until I started reading.
1 likeOn the average my experiences with police have not been bad, and most have been good. Whoever reads this I don't agree with Walkaway, but it depends on many things. The cops who arrested me without cause were minorities, one of them a rookie from outside USA. But most cops have done a good job of keepin trouble away from me, keepin me alive, preventin me from bein charged for stuff I didn't do, and even stuff that I did. Other cops arrested me without cause.
0 likes3-- Wave at the interrogation camera and say "Hi Jim Can't Swim!"
0 likesYou said bong?! You were lucky they didn't get a search warrant for possession of drug paraphernalia.
0 likes@NICK Z I'd mostly agree, but for personale experianced, I have noticed they still aren't always your friend when you need their help.
0 likesThey take one look at your physical appearance.. from your the look of your face, your age, your gender, your clothes/fashion, and the pitch of your voice, and THEN right there on the spot they make it completely obvious if they take you seriously or not..and 99% when they don't take you seriously, they make it SUPER obvious in a way that if they if you made a complaint they'd have multiple good excuses 'justifying' the way the treated you, and downplay the whole interaction
He dud ask for a lawyer after the cop refused to budge. The cop just kept talking to him illegally. This video makes me sick for them
1 like@Jon targaryen Supreme court ruled that the police neither have to protect, nor serve. It's just a slogan.
0 likes@Red here in the US not talking cannot harm your defense. What you say can be used against you, but not for you.
0 likes@Hyperツ even if you don't have an attorney, you have the right to remain silent. You simply say "I would prefer not to answer any questions without consulting an attorney"
0 likes@Jon targaryen did you not watch the video ?? ? Love to See how you feel after being wrongly locked up for 2 years ! ! Even 3 days !
0 likes@On Sight I would feel the same. All cops are beautiful. They aren't our enemies. I won't sit here and say that there aren't any corrupt cops, but there's not allot. If you are saying they are don't even call them.
0 likesSaying lawyer works until they turn off the cameras and you "trip on your face" camera comes back on and you need plastic surgery.
0 likes@Jason Velez you watch too many movies.
0 likes@Crime Destroyer you don't go straight to jail for declining to answer questions. Not in the United States, anyway
0 likesThat’s the only way to do it when every detective thinks he’s Sherlock homes.
0 likes@FrankIV its a lot harder than you think
0 likes@Bad Cornflakes chad
0 likesAcab
0 likes@SueDenim blue lives are choices.... can take the badge off and boom just another human
0 likesAmen to that!
0 likesAnd THAT IS IT!!
0 likesThe TRUTH..
@Random Ashe what?
0 likesYou realize cooperation can and will help you in court🤨
@Jon targaryen YEEEESSSS
0 likes#backtheblue
@Yung Midoriya they are trained professionals
0 likesThey can mostly judge a situation by a glance
@Trey M. Milton there supposed to be, but not all of them mate.
0 likesHence why there are many many many many reports from minor to serious incidents involving regular citizens & a 'trained professional' that range between rude, manipulative, to straight criminal.
I hear ya, but imagine saying that about every person you meet at their job but you quickly realize they actually not as 'professional' as you'd naturally think...wait. that's actually quite common everywhere since forever
That shit ain't right.
..Unless you were tryna make a jab for some unknown reason..
@Yung Midoriya First off: I don't like taking the side of someone who can't even use the right words "There supposed to be" (They're). Secondly: Comparing a job as a cop to ANY other job is completely not viable. Cops have the most unique job. They are put under pressure everyday and "routine" things, are not ever routine. Sure there are some bad ones out there, but going out screaming "Defund the police!" isn't going to help. How about instead of defunding them, fund them. Give them more money to train their employees better.
0 likes@Jon targaryen Dude. Chill.
0 likesThis isn't even an argument, I literally just stated a commonly known fact of our society... it's just 1 of many flaws.
Idk why you typing like you read a random person on the internet's comment like it was a personal attack against you
@Yung Midoriya I'm just stating my personal opinion.
0 likes@Trey M. Milton No, it literally does not. Everything CAN and WILL be used against you. Nothing will be used FOR you.
0 likesIf you're guilty or innocent, saying nothing massively reduces your chances of a prosecution because you aren't obligated to prove anything. They have to then rely entirely on evidence against you to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.
Say nothing and do not cooperate with the police. Ask for a lawyer and do what they say.
Your advice is very harmful and could result in innocent people being wrongfully prosecuted for crimes they didn't commit.
@Random Ashe only if you are the only suspect
0 likesKeeping calm and answering truthfully is your best option
Refusing to talk or work with them labels you with the "gilty sticker"
Think about it
Imagine you were the cop
Who would you suspect 🤨
Polite personal eager to prove their innocence
Or person who refuses to talk
Not to say they don't make mistakes in police, but if you have a relatively clean record you won't be the number one target
@Trey M. Milton This is absolutely, provably false. This is exactly the sort misinformation that has resulted in people getting prosecuted for crimes they didn't commit. They wanted to 'impress' the police by being truth and honest, the police then twisted the facts to make this person seem guilty.
0 likesLook it up online, plenty of completely innocent people have been done in by the police, with their own statements later used against them.
Here's a question for you. If the police come to your house to ask you some questions about gangland style executions near to where you lived. Which answer do you give?
1) Be truthful and tell them you don't know anything about any shootings but you'll do everything you can to help.
2) Tell them "sorry, I don't speak to police unless I've been arrested and even then, only with a lawyer present."
Cops are your friend. Let’s see you were getting shot who would protect you? The police. Raped? Police protect. Etc. And no I’m NOT saying all police are good. There is bad cops out there. Then there’s the good ones who protect you.
0 likesthey are allowed to lie so YES get a lawyer. They may push an envelope in front of you that says DNA on it to scare you when in actuality they have NOTHING.
0 likesMy Brother is a cop and he said the same thing, there not your friend and yes they have allot to gain. So lawyer up every time innocent or not.
0 likes@John Ryder it should say will be used they should leave the can out...
1 like9:25 I used to be a piece of shit, this guys looks like he enjoys sloppy steaks.
0 likesIt's crazy to think that some of these detectives have put completely innocent people into jail and get praised and rewarded for it. It's horrifying.
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Lawyers? You mean cops?
0 likes@Tim E yeah, cops/detectives not lawyers
4 likesHigh conviction rate matters more than high accuracy
4 likesi think it has happened through all of human history, innocent people get stick while the really bad ones walk scott free
1 likeYou have to realize these cases are rare, the system cannot be perfect, and anomalies will always occur.
0 likesLeftRight Yes but America has the world's highest prison population. It's worse here and now than ever
1 likeNOOOOOO WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS
4 likesGod the interviewer constantly talks about truth, but you arrest the first guy you see off a bus, GTFO.
97784 likesThe most horrifying thing to me is being arrested as an innocent person all because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. With not having enough evidence to back up you didn't commit the crime at hand because you weren't active on social media, didn't take photos or you didn't see anyone that day. All because some fuckwit wants a promotion and doesn't truly care about the crime or justice at hand. Horrifying.
498 likesI'm so glad another investigator looked into this case, he could have so easily slipped through the cracks. Can you imagine close friends and family second-guess your innocence, loose everything you've worked hard for (your whole life most likely), and the anger you'd have at being wrongfully accused with no one believing you or looking into it more thoroughly? So glad this man got his justice and those bastard cops at least had more than a slap on the wrist.
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wear a body cam discreetly at all times when in public, dont give the cam to the police they will intentionally 'lose' or corrupt/erase it, give it to your lawyer.
8 likes@Rick Deckard , impossible. The police would have the camera in their possession after any so called arrest. As such, the contents of said recording device, would then be subject to whatever actions the police would like to take next. Up to and including, having the contents erased. Or the device, (cough cough) accidentally damaged, or lost. The only viable solution, would be to record straight to a cloud server of some sort. Apart from that, one is at the mercy of how the police want to deal with the situation.
7 likes@Rick Deckard yeah that's a good day good idea I was actually thinking about doing that but the smallest one I can find is still like a half an inch by half inch and then find that on you you know they would and then take the ship out and crush it and flush it down the toilet. Does anyone know any good websites for spy gear I'm looking for like a camera that's like the size of a button on your shirt like James Bond stuff.
2 likesThere’s an even easier way to manage this, NEVER. TALK. TO. THE. POLICE.
5 likesEven if you are innocent.
ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. There is nothing you can say to them that will help you.
@Dionysius 1 B if LE damages it still works in your favor.
1 likeGet out of my head.
0 likesHappened to me - false allegations.
1 likeScapegoated by managers in social work.
I imagine it's doubly scary for reformed convicts whose history would be held against them. In most cases, repeat offenders are usually guilty but imagine being the unlucky bloke who truly turned over a new leaf and then some assh*le who knows about your criminal past decides to do something and pin that on you.
2 likes@1AlphaOmega0 then upload it somewhere
0 likesThat’s ridiculous
0 likesMy heart goes out to that Justin dude, you can tell he’s just a normal dude, that’s trying to do right... my blood pressure is not into this type of BS. This is infuriating.
276 likesI encountered a similar situation. My wife and I were packing our apartment when a loud knock came at the door. I answered to a tiny little detective with a huge fucking attitude. He insisted that I was caught using a stolen credit card at a local hamburger joint and that he had video evidence and that I was going to jail. I insisted my innocence but at the time I had nothing but my word. Well, to make a long story shorter, in the end it turned out that the incident in question occurred only a day or two after a daylight savings and so the video was offset by 1 hour (shitty local camera setup with no internet, so it didn't autocorrect for DST). So, they had an electronic transaction that occurred "AROUND" the time that I was in the drive-thru (they didn't line up at all, but I was the closest to the time of the transaction on the stolen card), but in reality the thief had been there an hour later.
987 likesSo, in all of this I had numerous officers insist that they "had me dead to rights" and that "I would go down for this" blah blah blah. Ultimately I had a receipt that proved my purchase at the ACTUAL right time and the video showed that I only received a single purchase, so there was no way I could have used my card AND the stolen card at the same time. It was MY SUGGESTION at the very beginning that the time change was the problem and that ended up being the truth. I mentioned the time change to the detective when he was STANDING IN MY FUCKING LIVING ROOM and to every single officer that interrogated me throughout the so-called "investigation", but they did not investigate it until well into court proceedings. They were NEVER interested in the truth, they were only interested in a CONVICTION! They had every opportunity to investigate the time change angle, but refused to even acknowledge it as a possibility until MY EVIDENCE called their "evidence" into question. They wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars trying to prosecute me over what was ultimately a petty theft.
Mind you, this is the SAME police department that only 3 months earlier were called to my home because my car had been broken into and the officer that arrived didn't even exit his vehicle. He simply wrote me a report # for my insurance and told me there was nothing they could do because of "manpower" and "we can't investigate EVERY crime"... but these same motherfuckers found the time to come harass me in my home and arrest me over this ladies stolen card that was used to by a fucking cheeseburger?
NEVER COOPERATE WITH POLICE, EVER! I don't care how right it may seem at the moment, you WILL regret it. They are NOT your friends, and they are NOT here to protect you. They WILL throw you in jail to further their own ambition. And they will do so with the LEAST amount of effort required.
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@Zozo Transirius Exactly, man.
2 likesRight. Police are not friends. Never cooperate and always cover your back.
35 likes@tom colton SOME police are not friends.
5 likesYou realize all cops arent the same as the cops in the US...
3 likes@II M4X II non of them are.
9 likes@tom colton Yes, because you would know - I bet you've met every one of them on the planet, right?
0 likes@II M4X II no good comes out of blindly trusting anyone in a position of power over you. it's just self-preservation to assume a cop has it out for you until the ordeal is over. assume the worst and hope for the best.
47 likes@Lyr QK Exactly. I assume the worst of most people, including police, but it doesn't mean that the worst shall always be the outcome.
1 likegood message, i had a cop lie in their report also, i was assaulted they did nothing about it and said they questioned me and everyone else but they did not ask me any questions the only question was, do you need to go to the hospital. they also lied and said we all agreed it was an accident.
5 likes@II M4X II No, even the "good ones" are working against you. The system is NOT on your side.
12 likes@I'm a Turkey Cool, then I am not talking to you.
0 likes@Deeker Jones "Even the good ones are working against you"... Um, that didn't make sense, pal. Take a deep breath and try again.
2 likesIt's good advice, and it's better to have your own back. Not all cops are bad, but positions of power attract corrupt individuals.
0 likesThe police are like a gang. You can say not all cops are bad just like you can say not all gang members are bad, still in a gang tho, still answer to some fucker, still stand by while their peers do shady shit. They may not be ‘bad’ in your eyes but they’re complicit and stand in solidarity with those who are.
16 likesThanks, for your testimony. May I ask why didn't you get a lawyer?
1 likeWhen your car was broken into, the victim was a human. With the stolen credit card, the victim was a faceless bank. Bottom line, cheeseburgers can be bad for your mental health.
0 likes@II M4X II even if they are good and honest cops you can be arrested for saying something that the cop mishears or remembers wrong so even if the cops are good you shouldn't be talking to them. If you talk to them and then you say something in court and a cop was like but wait I thought he said X and it doesn't line up with what he said you can get imprisoned for it. Then we have the right to remain silent for a reason as countries that don't give this right have a lot of abuse to those they interrogate and use all sorts of shady tactics. People try and paint cops as being racist or whatever but the truth is they have a lot of abuse to anyone they have the power to abuse as that's what happens when you give people rights and power over other people with no easy means of making sure the power isn't abused. You can see this for instance in how death row inmates are treated. Or hell I went to school with a guy that was a cop or a couple years and he was always telling "funny" stories that was basically the cops just abusing inmates or random people. Like they detained a guy that was high of something and they beat the shit out of him and found it funny that the guy didn't remember anything and thought he just got hurt from something he did while high.
1 likeBut despite that even good cops can get you imprisoned by accident if you talk to them.
@II M4X II yes but some people CANT take that gamble.
1 like@idrk Fair enough then, but some some people - such as myself - can. And if I get screwed? Believe me, those responsible truly are twice as screwed. I don't wanna sound like a hardass wannabe, but yeah...
0 likes@plimplom I am already aware that your word is nothing against the law's... I'm just saying that there is at least one individual cop that would rather actually prevent crime that fuck over an innocent for a raise...
0 likes@II M4X II Of course there is, i'm not arguing against that. I'd even say that most cops are probably good people. But if you walk into a dark alley and two dudes follow you, the best thing you can do for your own safety is to get out of the alley asap. Odds are those two dudes are just heading in the same direction and have no intensions of hurting you, but that doesn't change the fact that you absolutely should assume the worst in a situation like that and prioritize your own safety. I think the same goes if you get arrested for something you didn't do. Assume the worst and prioritize your own safety. You have everything to lose in a situation like that and absolutely nothing to gain from blindly trusting that the cops will follow the truth. Don't help make their job easier, make life easier for yourself instead and lawyer up asap
2 likes@plimplom I agree... Who are you even arguing with?
0 likes@plimplom AH! I get it.
2 likes@Zozo Transirius " Not all cops are bad. I think it's a bad stereotype when people think that cops are bad.." It doesn't matter if they're good or bad. Even a "good" cop can rail-road someone into a conviction fully convinced you were guilty. If cops are talking to you about a crime, they're the enemy and you need to be wary of them. No good comes from talking to the police. Even best case, they've wasted your time. Worst case you're sitting in prison for something you didn't do.
2 likes@II M4X II It's true that not all of them are corrupt and out to get you, but you should always be wary of the possibility. It's not at all uncommon, so acting defensively (within reason) is the best option for any individual. Kind of like defensive driving, where you're expecting that any car around you could be dangerous.
1 likeAs some other people have pointed out, it's also often the system that's out to get you. Whether or not you associate the moral compass of all/most police with the system they work for is much more subjective (in my opinion).
absolutely horrible police should never do something like that, in very sorry that you had to go through that
0 likesReading your story gave me second hand anxiety because being wrongly accused of something is what I am most afraid of. At least you were able to keep calm and rationally defend yourself with evidence. I am a socially hopeless introvert and I would break down into a nervous fit of anger, confusion and frustration in your situation. No doubt that would lengthen the interrogation and my attitude would definitely be held against me during trial.
1 likepeople are more likely to talk about the bad cops than the good ones.
0 likesCity, county, state? Names of the cops and police departments?
0 likesInnocent until proven guilty? Lol
0 likes"demoted and suspended without pay" does not take the magnitude of the situation seriously enough. Someone who is in that kind of power, using manipulation, false information (lies), and intimidation out of their own insecurities to potentially ruin an innocent human's life does not deserve to get off so easily.
470 likesWorse yet, the investigator knew there was insufficient evidence to convict the "suspect" and was grossly negligent to basic profile information (height, ethnicity). Moreover, his inability to interrogate and interpret an innocent civilian's responses and nonverbal communication shows a complete lack of training and capability.
Police officers who show this kind of reckless incompetence should be imprisoned and permanently barred from entering into any facet of law enforcement. There is no excuse for this level of incompetence within the ranks of the police force.
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The police are legally allowed to lie to you
9 likescope
0 likesI believe it's a fair outcome considering many police officers get away with much worse atrocities
2 likes@roflmatol within reason perhaps.
8 likesbut not if its because they have neglected actual evidence and or straight up ignored it.
police are not legally allowed to make up having evidence that proves you're guilty when they have evidence that contradict that.
that is just false accusations. Which the cop would know if he were suited for the job. Which he clearly werent.
@Sheila Yes, they are legally allowed to do that. What they can't do is put you in jail with fabricated evidence. But they can say whatever they want
2 likesI mean we have slaps on the wrist for everyday people with false accusations. Falsely accusing someone isn’t taken seriously at all in any circumstances
0 likes@roflmatol Which is why you legally say absolutely nothing.
0 likes@Sheila no, they're absolutely allowed to lie to suspects. It's exactly why you have the right to not speak to them without legal counsel present and not speaking to them can in no way implicate you.
1 likeAlways get an attorney, guys, PLEASE. It should cost you nothing. You have everything to gain.
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Well don’t they need money ?I’m sure they charge a lot
4 likesPlus if you’re Innocent asking for a lawyer won’t make you look guilty?
And please explain why do you need an attorney?☹️sorry just asking cause I’m not firmiliar with how things work
Court appoited attorney you mean ?
0 likesAndthen PRAYyouget a goid ine not wayyyyy too overloaded todoa goodjobforyou. Amd watch outfor the attorney defaultingto cuttigadeal to knock your case offhis/hertask list when youreatually innocent.
Ad ifyou pay forget all yourfinancial safety security and dreams.
A court appointed attorney / public defender whose continued employment and chances of promotion depend on the approval of the chief prosecutor ? Seriously you need to stop assuming a simple solution.
0 likesOnce the police decide that they want to convict you, even a billionaire will struggle to survive.
The only thing that will keep you out of prison is persuading the cops that they don't want to put you there.
How to achieve that depends on the situation. Lawyering up every time a cop asks a question is generally a good way to persuade them that they need to take you down, if not this time then they will make you a target until they get you.
That’s a horrible take lmao
0 likesI love that every single time the investigator opens his mouth, he further soils his career. Gotta give the man props on his UNBREAKABLE confidence.
57 likesThe legal system is beyond broken. Very sad that these two men were treated like criminals.
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That’s not a problem of the legal system, this is malpractice from the investigators.
6 likes@Robert Contofalsky who are a part of the legal system
2 likes@Holliday Season they're not trained as legal experts, therefore their malpractice isn't attributal or a fault of the system.
0 likes@Robert Contofalsky but should they not be though? Why let any crooked guy walk in and be given the right to try and manipulate people like this?
0 likesNever in my former role as an investigator have I ever conducted myself in such a manner...although I have seen someone else behave in that manner as these so called officers have, and immediately stepped in and made the case of innocence for the accused, then reported his behavior to my Spvs, making sure a copy of the video evidence was secured, to ensure that the injustice was corrected ASAP, however the officer in question, received a verbal reprimand but, was promoted not long afterwards, as the Spvs were buddy buddy with that clown.
44 likesI, in turn was transferred to another shift, received the smallest pay increases if at all over the next 4-5 years, was overlooked for promotions, and railroaded during the severance and termination payout factor...But it's like they say...what goes around comes around eventually...and it will come full circle for them...RIGHT.
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That's so unfair man. I know people argue that its a few bad apples but sometimes it really feels like a rotten bunch with a few good ones like yourself.
2 likesAnyone that goes against the narrative will end up on the fringes. Our perception of the force is down the drain and will never assist them in any way.
0 likesI know you're getting back on the train of videos, and I hope you guys do at least one more of these
3 likesI have been accused by law, teachers, family members, like we all have, of things that I did not do.
Depending on the mood, circumstance, accusation, frankly the fucks I give at the time, I can either be nonchalant slouching in my chair or completely pissed off like this guy.
I think there's merit in doing a couple more of these to show the wide range of reactions
Unfortunately this is common. Not for good police, but still a common tactic. They completely assume if someone is sitting in front of them, they're guilty and will lie and make up whatever nonsense they can to get you to agree. Ive personally seen and been subjected to it. Thank goodness in my case it never went further than questioning because there was zero evidence but it is disturbing that this happens so much.
10 likesIt was even the same crime too. And I never even found out what their reasoning for thinking I was 1010% guilty was. The only thing I was told was "someone you know said you did it". But even thats debatable when I asked the obvious follow up to that statement "who?". And the detective's verbatim response was "Uh uh um...Someone you know". In other words, he was lying and I have no clue why I was brought into that mess.
I think one of my biggest fears in life is being falsely accused of something cuz I know for a fact I wouldn’t not be able to handle my self in an interrogation room
8 likesPoor Michael!! He is a nice honest guy. He's too polite to tell the detective that the video story is BS.
20 likesI absolutely lament the fact that these investigators, who know full well the facts of the case, try and scare these people into a confession they know is false. I understand the investigator received a suspension without pay but that’s far from appropriate considering what he attempted to do to this innocent man. At a minimum, he should be terminated and barred from any and all law enforcement but I feel he should have faced charges commensurate to those he attempted to make this man face. I wish our legal system wasn’t so consistently and demonstrably abhorrent.
2 likes2:15 It's so cool how not only does he critique interrogated suspects, he also makes a commentary on interrogators doing their job. No wonder some criminals have managed to slip up.
2 likesI think we all know full well why the first guy reacted the way he did. He knows he didn’t do it and as a black man a violent or loud outburst would‘ve gotten him into more trouble (as sad as that sounds but we all know police tends to be racist) He knew this and that’s why he kept his composure.
6 likesDude you had me filled with so much rage until that very last sentence. Holy shit. Justice prevails.
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if justice prevailed the officer wouldn't have lied to try and get a confession, if justice prevailed an innocent person would never have even been arrested that night, if justice prevailed they would have asked the bus driver if he just got off the bus, if justice prevailed so many other things would have happened that night... but they didn't... justice didn't prevail, it failed... P.S. this means he still has an arrest record FOREVER in the system, those don't get expunged, because public database people use all the time along with his mug shot are STILL available to this day, they don't remove those records, charges get dropped but all that booking information and public records are FOREVER, any future employer will find it, anyone looking up public databases will find it, its FOREVER in his life.
4 likes@Grumpy Old Man alright I understand your point. Justice overall didnt prevail. But it is majorly satisfying to hear the officers were demoted. that was mainly my reason for saying that.
0 likesFINALLY!!! I was wrongly accused of stealing and horribly brutally interrogated for 2 hours till I broke down and still suffer emotional scars from it. Sometimes you point out things that I DID I feel angry. So IM glad to finally talk about innocence. Especially since I will never do it again and immediately ask for a lawyer EVEN IF INNOCENTS. So some clues don't mean guilty!!!!
0 likes"demoted and suspended"... that doesn't really give me any confidence in the "justice" system because they are still cops, they likely made many egregious actions prior to this and likely after this but the people impacted can't afford a civil attorney to punish them, bad cops exist and thrive because accountability is too expensive for the average person. P.S. police should not be allowed to lie, if we lie thats evidence against our character, when police lie its somehow an acceptable character trait.
8 likesCases of mistaken suspect are very common. Under stress people often give wildly incorrect descriptions of the perpetrators. In every robbery case I have responded to the description given by the clerk in the minutes afterwards has differed significantly from the video once we are able to view it. I personally gave a bad description once of a suspect who fled from me. I was busy arresting his partner in crime and by the time I tried to describe the one who got away a minute or so later my description was totally wrong, as proven by my own camera once I watched it. Knowing this, street cops will often stop and question people who partially match a description, or don’t match at all but are in coming from the area. That said, I have never seen someone arrested and charged without further effort to establish if they are actually the suspect. Often when I make a stop like that I use my own body language and behavior reading skills to eliminate the person I have stopped very quickly as a suspect. A good street cop should have a keen sense of guilty behavior vs innocent. If there is any doubt It takes very little effort to check the details or bring the witness to take a look at the suspect. This was crap police work by everyone involved until the other investigator who proved Michael’s innocence took over.
0 likesSomething similar happened to me. I was in jail for a month because of it. I didn’t know I can file a civil case until I watched this video. when I do I hope I win, wish me luck!
1 likeMann when I was younger my dad blamed me for something I didn't do. I was kindof laughing as he was asking me if I did it or not, because I knew I didn't do it and I was sure he'd realize that. He never realized it wasn't me. I think he thought I was laughing at my crime or whatever. I'll never forget that though, and I'll darn sure never end up in an interrogation room because that situation really sucked lol
0 likesI am so glad that the fist guy got off and more importantly that the officers involved were demoted. I am appalled how they behaved abs astonished how the victim behaved.
2 likesThis dude is a legend. IDK how he stayed so freaking calm
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Ikr especially as a black man you know how they are always targeting them ☹️
0 likes@s well agree to disagree on that point.
0 likesImagine being on the side of Justice, the Law, and integrity and you have to lie, you cheap tactics, and treat innocent people like they are already guilty just to meet "end of the Quarter" Quotas.
1 likeThe last few sentences were the best. I was thinking the whole time how that officer should be fired. You don't walk into an interrogation room and tell someone they're guilty and then only ask questions that force the suspect to answer as if they're guilty. The officer said "your innocence or guilt in this quite frankly isn't an issue." That is, actually, the biggest issue. Wow.
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@Grumpy Old Man My view of it is that those working in the legal system do get away with more since they're trying to uphold justice. For example, a cop is allowed to break road rules when trying to catch someone on the road.
0 likes@Johanna Elisa Johanna if you equate police speeding to catch up to someone committing a crime to being the same as lying to them about the facts in order to coerce statements that later get twisted and used against the person, we're miles apart on whats right and wrong in the justice system... if we can't rely on truths we know to convict someone and instead depend on deceit as a primary tool, we're doing justice wrong... because thats how innocent people have ended up in prison (like the second example in the video you're commenting on), because we've allowed these abusive practices some other countries prohibit for that very reason.
1 likeI felt so bad for the first guy. He was cooperative and polite. However the investigator didn't even care to hear him out and outright told him he was going to get charged. He didn't even match the description of the suspect!
0 likesI like how you assume the detectives movements even though you can't see him. A+ Journalism... jk. The rest of the commentary and analysis was spot on. Was there a second angle or elaboration from the accused?
0 likesWow, that was shocking, plus scary.
1 likeMaybe he was compensated eventually, but how many innocents are stitched up ?
Whenever I am falsely accused I behave just like Michael and today I learn this is atypical behaviour 🤣
2 likesI believe that a good case to feature on the channel would be of Suzane Von Richthofen, from Brazil. I'm a recent subscriber and enjoyed most of the vids, but I believe that would be a very nice one due to all the details and studies around it.
0 likes13:40 Wait, why?! That sounds so backwards. Getting a confession when you have lots of evidence but not necessarily enough to get the conviction should be the mark of a good investigator. Getting one as your only piece of evidence is the opposite of what a good investigator should be doing!
0 likesThis is the first video I watched on this channel & I immediately subscribed.. I absolutely love these videos, but I feel so bad for this man! It’s heartbreaking how those b!tcha$$ investigators did this man.. shame shame shame! & it’s so sad how common men & women are wrongfully accused 😥
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yeah, and this is my fear that what if i get caught wrongfully and never get out. Idk, its heartbreaking
1 like@True Crime & More definitely heartbreaking & very scary!
0 likesGlad to hear they had to pay for their F up, Can't believe at the time of the arrest dude even said go ask the bus driver if I was on his bus and they didn't.
0 likesThe outcome for the first guy is awesome. That's justice for a change. Of course, in the USA it seldom happens this way.
0 likesI watched this probably right when it came out and it just popped up again for me... Bugged me then, and bugs me still that both of these men were held with basically no evidence at all.
0 likesIn the case of Michael Dickson you all might be interested in some extra details, on the stand one of the arresting officer's defence was that Mr. Dickson looked like a white man with a tan... The other arresting officer died from unrelated health complications before trial... what a shame... His contributions will be missed... Then the judge in closing said "... the officers were inept, arrogant and closed-minded, and they lacked experience and suffered from tunnel vision."
0 likesI've always wondered whether the innocent guy possibly committed some other crime that he wasn't even under investigation for and it put him in that state of mind or if he's just accepted they're going to find him guilty anyway. I also wonder how many times the suspect was innocent of said crime BUT had done something else horrible or worse completely unrelated and responded similarly or just a-typical of the usual innocent-response due to it.
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I get the vibe it's a small town and they already had their ideas of him. They were sure he did it before he came in and they talked like it.
0 likes@Kita Ehhh, I think that's a police tactic more than them having their idea about it. They figured they got the right guy and just told him "Oh yeah we know for sure it was you just admit it" to get him to give a confession more easily, especially if he was guilty he'd be more likely to. Remember, they're not always interested in justice, especially ones who are still making a name for themself, and just want a confession to put under their belt.
0 likesThese people should be able to sue the police department for kidnapping and/or slander.
0 likesNever ever ever ever talk to the cops without a lawyer!!
0 likesIm glad justice was served in the end.
0 likesWhen being interrogated by the police and you know you haven't done anything...don't say anything but "Lawyer". Don't try to convince them that it wasn't you ,they don't care ,they've heard it before.
0 likesI love how you break it down but I hate crooked cops
0 likesThat detective is so sleazy, neglecting to read/ignoring the dispatch call, and then he has the nerve to say that he tries to treat everyone as an individual.
1 likeInteresting. I had a violent upbringing, and my mum would have a lot of anger.
0 likesI would remain extremely calm no matter what, and very diplomatic.
I love a story with a happy ending.
0 likesI know my self how it feels like to be railroaded. Your tied to the track by the guilty person, and then the Governments like a Freight train, mangling the rest of me.
0 likesI hope this pos detective got fired and his family gets put through what this man endured. Disgusting use of power.
0 likes13:32 at this point i would be extremely tempted to start messing with the detective and say yes. I wonder what happens when an innocent suspect starts joking about actually having committed the crime?
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Usually, they go to prison. So, best thing to do when brought to police station to "help us clear something up" -- keep mouth shut except to ask for attorney. There are many innocent people in prison because they talked to detectives.
0 likesWhat was the first office hoping to a higher lying? Did he really think he'd get away with a false accusation
0 likesIf I was interviewed by police about something I did not do the interview would not last long and it wouldn't be due to me demanding a lawyer.
0 likesMe: If I get asked the same thing more than once I'll confess.
Cop: What do you mean? Did you do it?
Me: Nope I just will not tolerate being asked the same thing multiple times. If I do get asked the same thing more than once I will enter a false confession so you better not do that.
We all know the cops cannot resist asking the same thing more than once. So inevitably they will do that and I will tell them I want to confess and refuse to answer any further questions.
Cop: You can't enter a false confession that's against the law.
Me: Then don't ask me the same question more than once.
Cop: I didn't ask you the same question more than once.
Me: Let's go back in the recording and refresh your memory.
So we go back:
Cop: That's a different question.
Me: No it isn't you just reworded it.
Cop: It's not the same question.
Me: ok I don't want a lawyer but I do want an English teacher.
Cop: You're not helping yourself being like that.
Me: I'm not joking I'm serious I want an English teacher.
Suspended without pay and demoted. Justice served!
0 likesWhile I do enjoy watching the videos sometimes the narrator pulling pure nonsense out his ass.
1 likeWhen hindsight tells you guy is innocent you say "This guy is assuming a non verbal challenge position, leaning forward and making eye contact with the detective" but when hindsight tells you he's guilty you say "he's making himself smaller, clasping his hands together in self soothing notion, and looking to the detective for approval"
What I would like to have heard at the end is "Suspended for life without pay without the possibility of ever getting a job anywhere again"
1 likeMy husband said he'll stay in jail falsely accused for 40,000 dollars for 3 days 🤣. The really sad one was the guy who served 2 years. I hope the girl who lied goes to jail for that.
0 likesIf the police are talking to you like this they're already convinced that you're guilty. Nothing you can say will change that, they're only looking for something you say that they can use in court. Time to shut up and get a lawyer.
0 likesIt's strange that showing false evidence to a suspect is legal in the United States.
2 likesGood I’m so glad he sued!! He had a job that right there should have told this joke of a guy he was innocent!!
0 likesThe only thing to say to the police is “Lawyer” immediately.
2 likesIt’s always been guilty until proven innocent and sometimes guilty even if innocent.
0 likes46k for wrongful arrest , hooohaaaa!
1 likeMy man got paid !, on a serious note , don’t say shit to any cop , get your call , no matter what they say do not in any way engage with them , not a single word.
The detective should be disciplined and possibly fired for his malfeasance and quite possibly racist views. He lies through his teeth. What a POS.
0 likesThis is why giving cops the ability to lie to get convictions should be outlawed!!!
0 likesNever talk to the police, I'm not answering any questions. I want my lawyer.
0 likesThe detectives were suspended?! They should have been fired!
0 likesPlease, can someone tell me if both the White guy and Black got paid for being falsely accused.
1 likeBoth detectives should have all there cases reviewed.
demoted, GOOD, as they should be, they jack with someones life KNOWING they are lying to the person, they should be fired and disgraced in public!
0 likesI would've just told them to check the damned camera footage from the bus.
0 likesProve he just got off it.
There.. done deal
My dad was accused of stealing money and was brought in to take a polygraph test…he was so scared he failed the test! Come to find out a kid was fishing out deposit bags from the bank night depository
0 likesShould’ve called the investigator on his bullshit right in the first 5 minutes and then lawyered up. I love all the anti cop stuff in the comments based on their emotional reaction to these two cases.
0 likesThe first guy seemed to have faith in the justice system. He probably has a lot less now, so sad to watch.
0 likesThe officers demoted and suspended without pay should have been arrested and charged with criminal conduct of conspiracy, at a minimum.
0 likesThe guy at 5:30 is guilty as hell. Look at his beard for Christ's sake.
0 likesSeriously tho the narrator said the guy had no idea he was about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just under two years. Now this interview wasn't it done in the U.S.? Last I checked you don't go from a police interview to prison with nothing in between.
How do we filter out these particular kinds of cops...quickly?!
0 likesHappy ending to incompetent injustice by the officer
0 likesalways remain silent. Say nothing to the police without legal counsel!
0 likesWrongfully accused and got locked up only to come out with $46k and 3 officers demoted and suspended. I bet he was clicking his heels.
0 likesThat was sad and to think that this happens to Manny people but he handled it well
0 likesInvestigator tries to get false confession. What happens next is shocking…
0 likesHe is calm cause he knew he was going to sue them for millions
1 likeHarassing this guy for your own benefit [promotion] ends up getting demoted
1 like“The only question I have for you is why you did it” Detective Knobhead.
0 likesif they had enough evidence to convict.... they wouldn't need the confession
0 likesRule #1 When being interrogated by police officers say nothing Especially if you're innocent Say one thing I want to see my lawyer that's it nothing else Because what people don't understand sometimes is these guys are not the good guys these guys are there to do a job And that job is to put somebody in prison and they don't always care if they have the right guy they care about getting their job done and that's it Say nothing except you wanna see your lawyer
0 likesima call your bluff you dont have a video
1 likecop: of course we do we just dont need to show you or prove it
the law is a joke in western society if is this allowed
I’m happy he was awarded the money. Dam it man
0 likes'hopefully we can find something to prove- or disprove, what we discussed tonight' admits he doesnt have actual evidence to make this arrest
0 likesInstead of deciding someone is guilty because of how he acts, how about relying on evidence instead? I know, it's because it's much easier for lazy incompetent cops.
0 likeslol none of this would have happened in my country. If ANY Cop would act the way they do here there would be jail time. This is pure corruption.
0 likesthis reminds me of watching a video in High School...very informative but so damn boring noone get anything out of it
0 likesIt aint fair but life aint fair. They have a job to do. Do you want them to hold everybody's hand and sing songs? This is how it works so if your innocent tell them that and request a lawyer. Before you even shell for a lawyer just keep going to court and tell them you want a jury trial. Whether you are guilty or not they aint going to take it that far unless they have some good concrete evidence on you cause a jury trial cost hundred thousands of dollars just to start.
0 likesCop's logic: "He looks guilty, because he's too( put an Adjective here like tall,short,calm,blue,red,big,tiny,defensive, and so on)."
1 likeCalls the cops bluff multiple times and multiple times the cop doubles down?! Was the cop just lazy or stupid?!
0 likesThe police were like "wow when did he get so tall? & black?"
2 likesInnocent and appallingly bad detective work. I’m smelling a delicious settlement!
0 likes"You have a video? Great. Let's review it together, because I'd hate to see you found guilty of false imprisonment if I don't match the description of the thief."
0 likesHe made up his mind he was guilty and because there’s no repercussion they will,continue to falsely imprison men,it only recently that women are being arrested and charged.
0 likes$46,000 is pitiful amount of compensation
0 likesAnd does he sound like he’s guilty?? I mean come on.
0 likesWow, a happy ending in one of these videos for once 😅
0 likesThat black man is 10x nicer than I would've been in that situation. I would've flown off the fucking handle.
5 likesSuspended without pay. Now that's how poetry is written :)
0 likeshe was calm because he had to be. let's be real lol
0 likesthey literally couldve asked the bus driver
0 likesAt the very least, the conclusion of this video was satisfying.
0 likesIf you are truly innocent, you still ask for a lawyer and don't talk to the police.
0 likesloved the ending😩
0 likes$46k? F that. 3.5 days of my freedom is worth a lot more than that. And they were just demoted? They should have been all fired. They have no business being in LE.
0 likesThe ending was nice....normally nobody is held accountable
0 likesHe should have gotten at least a million!!!
0 likesInvestigator : "do u like cereal, burger"
0 likesMe : wtf
Victims.. file PERMANENT RESTRAINING orders... these creeps will want revenge when you go after their badges.
0 likesI was once arrested for a b and e and told they have fingerprints, video and footprints of me.
0 likesBtw I was 15 year old Little skinny white dude. The culprit, a 6ft 5 muscly Fijian with head to toe tribal tats and big dreadlocks.
When they said they had me on video I laughed and said, must be pretty shitty video then.
questions.. what did I steal? Are my prints on the things stolen? Has anything been recovered?
0 likesYour commentary was quite intelligent
1 likeanyone else get a huge smile when they heard the punishment for the cocky officer dealing with the first guy?
0 likesWhat can i say , the brightests dont go for a career in the police force which is a shame.
0 likesthe last 3 seconds of the video were worth all the upsets from the rest of the video XD
0 likesIf this were the us, police unions wouldn't have allowed that satisfying ending
0 likesIt's always guilty til proven innocent if not you wouldn't get locked up before your found innocent. Think about
0 likesBest ending ever
0 likesI can sleep soundly tonight knowing that horrible investigator faced justice!!!
0 likesLove a happy ending..
0 likesThe funny thing is that the investigator was on the tape lying.
0 likesNot the first time .What a bloody bare faced LIAR that police officer is.Got what he deserved.
1 likeguess the time in jail was worth it 😈
0 likesfather was cop; said there are 2 many people in jail because they can not keep there mouths shut; words to remember ; i can not recalll and i want my lawyer
1 likeThe truth will come out? He already said he had the truth.
0 likesa cop doesn't look for truth, he looks for the best possible guilty person even if this person is innocent. Such a behaviour makes me sick and this is why so many people have no confidence for cops. Deliberately imprisoning an innocent person is outright a criminal act and the cop who commits such an act should logically be trialed and thrown in jail rather than making apology to the innocent who will have spent years behind bars because of him.
0 likesNo words except, where's my lawyer will suffice.
0 likesngl that guy is too calm LMAO
0 likesA fitting result. A nice holiday away in the Caribbean to help forget all the 'trauma'.
0 likesNever talk to the police, ever.
0 likesIt sucks good people get put in these types of situations. So unfortunate
0 likesI love how the Canadian system was civil - with some wildly messed up police “work” - but ultimately it did the right thing, came to the just conclusion, made the victim whole, while holding the wrong-doers accountable. So happy to be a Canadian!
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But these officers weren’t fired, only got a slap on the wrist.
1 likeIf he just got off the bus wouldn't the bus driver know?
0 likesI live in Hamilton. I remember this case. Gong show
0 likes46000 dollars for 3 days of sitting in jail?? take me for a month, it will be 460 000 WOW!
0 likesI'm an Israeli white Jewish,and i was furious to witness Michael interrogation,the only reason he was arrested is because he's a tall black man,and he even didnt say that,just the way he talked, he's job(a highly educated required )and still arrested,what a shame.
0 likes46k for 3 days of doing nothing? Sign me up!
2 likesI believe the issue in being outraged here. Was one was Canada. And one was not. One had priors and one did not. I wager if Michael had been a convicted felon, he wouldn't have seen daylight as fast. And may never have seen recompense.
0 likesBut Canada has done pretty bad false accusations. Romeo Phillion spent 31 years in jail for the false conviction of a murdered fireman in 1965.
Another high profile was Guy Paul Morin 1984; only spent 18 months in prison but almost 2 decades under suspicion until a family friend of Jessop (victim) was found to be the killer. The killer died without spending a day in jail for his crimes in 2015. As an aside Morin was found fully innocent by dna in 1995 or 96. But the killers identity wasn't found out till 2015. Crazy shit. And to think we are to trust the law, and police, implicitly.
The first interview? Sounds like the officer does not care at all about the truth. I wouldn't trust that man to screw in a lightbulb and tell the truth. He seems like a bumbling idiot. This poor guy is a victim of this detectives incompetent demeanor glad the man and men involved were held accountable for their idiocy.
0 likesI'm glad he got 66% of $46k....
0 likesThe police officer should have been fired. He could do this to someone else.
0 likesgreat video
0 likesAnd were supposed to trust cops investigators not a chance in hell. Never have trusted them never will.
0 likesthe first is a poc who prob fears the worst when it comes to law enforcement. so he takes extra care. i feel so bad for the guy.
0 likesmost innocent people do get upset, i do
0 likesCalled him out and everything
0 likesI'd go to jail for three days for 46000 USD.
0 likesThe cop saw his colour and assumed he was guilty.
0 likesThat girl that wrongly put that other guy in jail needs to serve time...
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Of course, they never do. #FemalePrivilege
124 likesif she was proven to lie in court, they will normally press charges, because court testimonies are supposed to be under oath ! giving a false testimony to the police or in court is illegal
76 likesNot necessarily her fault, she had to call 911 since she was the victim, and so when the cops interviewed her, they persuade her to choose a picture that best matches what she remembers even if she wasn't able to get an accurate visual on the intruder's face. It's the cops fault for ignoring the fact that she doesn't really know which person in the picture was the perpetrator, and it's most certainly the cops fault for manipulating her to choose someone (which they often do to close a case).
44 likes@Mills Dickson please keep your sexism and misogyny to yourself. She most likely did serve time, or was at least given probation/community service. Lying to police and lying under oath is illegal. It's not like she was acquitted because she was a girl stop it
44 likesWell unfortunately false accusations create a weird situation where the courts want to promote false accusers coming forward... and if false accusers see jail time then nobody would come forward with the truth, and the innocent sit in jail.
2 likesMills Dickson Mills Dickson lmao classic meninist, it was obvious that someone broke into her house at all, so of course they would believe her no matter who she pointed out, they didnt know about her abusive boyfriend, its not a fEMaLe pRiViLegE, they were just going off of what they thought was the best logic, and it is definitely illegal to falsely accuse so she will def get charged, regardless of gender, how ignorant why even bring up gender ❄️
16 likes@Lauren Suty Most false accusations cases have the woman face no charge, and when they do, it's often just a slap on the wrist compared to what the innocent got.
31 likes@urgayurgayurgay it's illegal, but not well enforced when it comes to women
18 likes@Daniel dos Santos source?
7 likes@Daniel dos Santos no, you just dont hear about cases of false allegations being tried because that doesn't get views or is newsworthy. Even though women do get lighter treatment from the courts, its not because of privilege- its bc of sexism.
7 likesDaniel dos Santos huh, you mean like most rape accusations? like how most of them don't even go to court and when they do most don't end in convinction? due to lack of evidence? interesting parallels there methinks.
13 likes@Daniel dos Santos woa, learn something new everyday. I didn't know this was a thing. I just assumed false accusations would get a punishment of some sort, regardless of sex.
1 likeTwice as the victim
1 like@aesthetic Garbage here u dropped this 👑
3 likesHoly crap, of course people go to jail for lying to cops...it's even worse when they lie in court.
7 likes@Mills Dickson if there's female privilege, how are we females still suffering today? It's common sense that people think that men are superior than women.
3 likes@Lauren Suty Call it what you want, but statistically if you look at cases where men have been falsely accused of crimes by women, most women do not receive the punishment they should. Gender aside, anyone who falsely accuses someone of something should be handed the sentence the accused would have received. It's only fair.
14 likes@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! you actually think females are suffering in todays society? Is that a sarcastic statement? It must be.
5 likesSome of these comments... Fucking yikes...
3 likes@Julien B if you listened to the story properly, you can tell the guy being falsely accused already has it correct - he wasn't a random bad guy cops wanted, this couple knew this guy had priors and would be easy to have thrown in jail rather than risk the boyfriend being being locked up instead. I don't deny cop encouragement to pick faces doesn't happen, but i don't think that's the case here. The woman that got hit knew she was framing an innocent guy
0 likes@I_Am_Asian_But_It_Doesnt_Mean_Im_Better_Than_You ! oh just like how white privilege means that no white person has ever suffered ever. Having privilege doesnt excuse you from the hardships of life just means you have an easier time in some places compared to others.
4 likesY’all can cry about “misogyny” all you want but the fact that women get a discount on sentencing is well established
2 likes@Is YaBOi wtf are you talking about.
0 likesWhite women: Awmihgawd, blacks get sentenced more harshly than whites. The system is corrupt and unjust!!
2 likesAlso white women: Whatwhatwhaaat?? It is a slanderous lie upon our perfect justice system that women are shown more lenience than men!!
(Edit: I stand corrected on some of my statement, I hadn’t watched enough of the video to hear that she was caught lying. )
1 likeJust because she picked the wrong person doesn’t mean she was lying. It’s not uncommon for victims to have unreliable memories of traumatic situations. When they see the line up, they figure the assailant is in there, and their memory does patchwork to get them justice and relieve the situation. It can be subconscious, so when they point out the wrong person they can be telling the honest truth. That’s who their memory is now showing them did it.
Aside from that, you don’t want to discourage people from picking out their attackers for fear that if they’re wrong they’ll be jailed. Persuading evidence still has to be shown in court. Justice cannot always be perfect. And false charges are a tragic outcome of that fact.
qué par de scw hay x acá, procedo a XDDDD
0 likes@DAVE i agree , and the divorce and child custody laws heavily favor women.
0 likesMy best guess? The wrongfully accused Justin got it exactly right: Candy's boyfriend was the one who assaulted and injured her, then came up with a story for her to accuse "some convict he knew" to keep his own butt out of jail. And I know from experience (my own and some clients), a victim of that kind of domestic violence would do whatever they're told, if they're afraid enough. If the boyfriend were the one arrested that night, he'd very likely have gotten out a lot sooner, possibly by the next day. Then Candy would have had even more hell to pay, possibly with her life. To all you misogynist knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers in here, check THAT "female privilege." You either don't have a stinkin' clue when it comes to women and violence, or you know the reality just fine and you like it that way.
1 likeAnd I'm pretty sure that I said up there, this is a guess. An educated one, but still only a guess.
0 likes@Stacy M You should stop making excuses for someone whose deliberate and continued actions robbed two years out of someone's life.
1 likeYou are not proving the point you likely think you are proving.
@Mikael Interesting. And you think I should be "proving" something to you, because why again?
0 likes@Stacy M Obviously you are very much trying to prove something to someone. Likely not me specifically, but definitely someone.
1 likeWhat I actually said that you should do, you can easily re-read from above.
Of course you already know this, and your feigned ignorance is just a passive-aggressive tactic (conscious or not). I don't expect it to make a difference, but I am calling it out anyway.
@BornIn1500 I understand that women are much more likely to get custody of children, I also understand that women generally get lighter sentences, there are statistics on this. I wanted a source on the claim that women get away with specifically perjury more than men because lots of people here are claiming it, but I couldn't myself find any research on it. If anyone could provide a paper on perjury conviction rates it would be really helpful.
1 like@S c I apologize, I tried to look up the case but I couldn't find it. I'm not trying to defend them I'm just saying that being overall misogynistic to a whole gender isn't necessary because of a select few women
0 likes"You're on the video camera." Michael: "Great!" "There are tons of witnesses." Michael: "Great!" You can pretty much tell he's innocent, immediately, just from that. He's comforted, rather than frightened, by the notion that the incident was captured on camera. His disappointment at realizing there was no actual camera footage could be in one of those "watch people die inside" compilations.
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I’d immediately have demanded to see this footage. Had they had it, they’d have shown it to him.
8 likes@A E I hope that you don't actually believe that. They will have a documentary crew with footage of the crime and your lawyer will be the one who tells you during discovery.
8 likesThis happened to me as part of a car accident investigation. Lady blew a red and I t-boned her. Late night, no witnesses. I was like 19 probably. Lady claimed I ran the light. Cop tells me there's street cameras so tell the truth. I reply, "awesome, then you'll see that I told you is what's up." Cop: uhhh, there's no camera, sorry.
23 likesI was sort of surprised it never crossed his mind that maybe they got someone who looked similar to him or dressed the same on camera. It was literally the first thing that I thought when he said that, I mean WE know that the description of the perpetrator is the complete opposite to him but he doesn't. I would have thought "maybe that's why I'm being wrongly accused"
1 like@Ziqrek How do you know it didn't cross his mind? He seems very intelligent and said the smart thing to say. IF the guy looks similar, his reaction still works in his favor, because is "happy" to see evidence he believes to be in his favor.
0 likesIf he said "Maybe there is someone that looks like on camera" instead, it would seem hesitant and like he is already making up possible excuses, even if it's a perfectly rational assumtion.
@A E Yeah they would not show him a darn thing. They are motivated by getting charges and convictions, they do not care if you are innocent. Lawyer up, shut up.
1 likeHis mistake was not being an advocate for himself.
2 likes"You're on the video camera." -> "Show me the video, and I'll show you where you are wrong."
"There are tons of witnesses." -> "No there aren't, but there will be some at the civil trial when I have your badge."
"After I got off the bus and some cop arrested me. Get the bus driver in here, right now because I couldn't have possibly done this crime since I was someplace else."
"Oh you lied about the footage? What else are you lying about. Tell me, what did this guy who robbed the store look like? Are you sure he looked like me?"
"Did you talk to my boss? I just got off work, so between my boss and the driver, you know where I was, and when I was there."
If this guy was more assertive, he would have been home in time for corn flakes. He deserved far more that 47k for bad investigators stealing some of his freedom, however fleeting.
@eviscero Did you not watch the intro? The dude turned down a sales position because he's not assertive.
1 likePoor 2nd dude... I feel so bad for him, that's such a normal reaction to an innocent person. I would've done the same thing, I would've gotten annoyed and angry too if I was unfairly accused by a crazy woman...
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he remained calmly which it gave it away. should have acted with anger like the 1st dude, he wouldn't have to be there for 3 days
1 like@J. A. white guy was falsely imprisoned for 2 ENTIRE YEARS. The system needs to stop discriminating against white men who have pride
3 likes@Charles G White 'pride' is not something to be proud of, it is typically associated with you thinking you are better than everyone else. Can I suggest you don't cherry pick things that fit your narrative, instead look at statistics to refute/backup your narrative from reliable sources, ie government statistics departments.
4 likes@Hadley Pettigrew Your associations are false. Ridiculous prejudiced nonsense. If you want to talk government statistics why don't you look up crime rates in the us by race vs likelihood of getting killed by cops and realize he's absolutely right.
2 likes@Charles G wtf are u on about😂
5 likes@Einzelfeuer _ What the hell are you talking about?
5 likes"This detective has either forgotten standard procedure or is incredibly racist"
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now dont say that. you might make some ppl who identify with the detective nervous
140 likesYou dislike most in others what you dislike most in yourself.
12 likesExactly I unsubscribed, because he didn’t call a thing a thing. Somebody talk black to me please.
9 likesProbably both, detective and cops are generally not the smartest tools in the shed
10 likesIf you're in the interrogation room they assume you're guilty. At that point it's their job to get a confession or get you to incriminate yourself.
8 likesRegardless of either parties race.
If you are in the interrogation room you should assume they think you're guilty and not speak without an attorney present.
0 likes@Jon M no, we’re talking about the fact that the call identifies a small white man and they arrested a 6 foot 3 black man. it has nothing to do with the interrogation room, and everything to do with the fact that the detective is racist.
66 likes@Jon M the suspect was a small white man. how do they confuse it that badly? the dude is 6’3 and black
46 likesSadly.
1 likemaybe both lmfaooo
1 like@jeremy steele
0 likesWhat?
@James A. Just because you have the ability to speak does not mean you are intelligent.
1 like@jeremy steele 😂😂😂 someone is a little uptight huh? Did he hurt your feelings by failing to make a bold accusation without any evidence? In fact did you know eye witness reports are one of the least trustworthy pieces of info and alot high ranking investigators actually have said that they shouldn't be used as evidence? It's wild huh?
1 like@Suzie cream cheese I dislike your cream cheese.
1 like@Killer Macchiato eyewitness accounts are more accurate than arresting the first person you see when you lose the suspect.
5 likesThe best way to deal with racism is to stop talking about race. 🤗 Not really equality if you gotta point out his skin colour!
3 likes@Killer Macchiato 'eyewitness reports are one of the least trustworthy pieces of info' as opposed to what in this case? lmao. please point out solid evidence that justified them arresting the first black man they saw
5 likes@Zia Oh absolutely, Let's not acknowledge black individuals being falsely imprisoned and injustice in places. Let's stop talking about a system that suppresses minorities, and hope it suddenly dissappear 😊
9 likes@Corey did you hear the description for the first guy ???? WHITE SHORT MALE 🗣 wth ofc it’s racist, let’s not be purposely obtuse
9 likes@Corey The black man was from Canada which likely contributing to a lesser sentence. But if it was in the same manner, I highly doubt the white man would get a higher sentence in the US
0 likes@HakunaMatata-W If we point out race in every single thing we see, then yea, it’s always going to be racist. I’m not talking about actual crimes against black people purely bc they’re black, or bc of the recent attacks against Asian people. Because in those instances, it is a race issue. But if we try to make everything racist or everyday instances where blacks are mistreated, the equality line gets misconstrued. We need to treat every case blind to race, not see them as a “minority” but as an individual, a person. If it turns out to be a race issue, it’s a race issue, if not then it’s a normal crime that could be targeted toward anybody.
1 like@Corey You took my message wrongly...🤭I responded to the original comment making it racist
0 likesOfcourse it is everythings racist isnt it
1 likewdym
0 likes@jeremy steele wdym
0 likesI'm guessing the first option
0 likesNo. There's no indicator of racism. You need to get your head out of this place and stop making this assumption.
0 likes@Lottie Roberts No proof of racism more like incompetence, especially somewhere like Canada I'm sure if they believed racism was involved they would of faced harsher consequences then just being demoted.
0 likes@S1ipperyJim Very interesting!
0 likesCop: there is a black man, must be him!
0 likesIf someone says to me I’ve just robbed a jewellery store, there is a 0% chance I’m not laughing in his face.
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Unless you actually just robbed the jewelry store......
18 likesthat's some real life Looney Tunes shit
26 likesI always laugh when falsely accused.
34 likesDid you even watch the video? If you're in that situation in REAL LIFE and you're facing multiple years in prison over a felony you're wrongly accused of.. I highly doubt there will be a 0% chance you won't be laughing.
9 likes@omginvalid yeah, but before the gravity of the situation really sinks in... I'd laugh too, for sure.
16 likesaleks kravchuk if I robbed a jewellery store I’d laugh in the prosecutor face to make my self seem less suspicious.
0 likesexcellent plan.....I will follow your advice if it ever comes up.....yikes
2 likes@omginvalid
3 likesI laugh at incredibly uncomfortable situations.
I once said I could murder someone with the anger I've been feeling to a psychiatrist and she all of a sudden got quiet and all serious.. "Really?" then she repeated it.
And I laughed 😅
Knowing full well she was about to call someone to get me and lock me away for the time being and that my freedom was at stake haha.
But no ofc not.
We all react differently to being accused.
@Ina Your therapist probably thought you were just cringey. A lot of people could murder people out of rage and that is exactly what a therapist is there for. They wouldn't lock you up for that in the first place.
0 likesomginvalid I was falsely arrested and I could only manage to cry the entire time lol. I can laugh about it now, but damn at the time I was in a dark place.
1 like@omginvalid
1 likeYou've no idea what you're talking about.
Any indication of homicidal or suicidal desire they're taught to treat as serious as possible and act immediately. She got proper serious and interrogated me on it a few more times I visited.
Also "therapist"? Who mentioned a therapist? Also, speaking of therapists, these two criteria ("threat to society or yourself") are the only ones that allow a therapist to breach the confidentiality contract.
And contact the appropriate authorities. Usually they institutionalise you for statements like those.
0 likes@Edwin V Michael McIntyre? :)
0 likesI can relate so hard. My nervous laugh has gotten me into soooo much trouble. I can't control it at all.
1 likeExactly. Why would I rob a jewellery store when I already have a good paying job and don't need more money. I live a pretty minimalist lifestyle, I don't do hookers and coke.
0 likes@Ina we get it , you like to behave like an edgelord and think its cool to make "normal" people be like "wtf"
0 likesthen when people call you out on that you get all defensive.. everyone knows some people like that.. you are probably still a teenager.. because i was like that back then too ;) in some years you will also realize that its cringey and that u benefit in no way from that kind of behavior
@Dagobert Duck
0 likesYou need to realise not everyone on this planet is like you.
First mentioning a completely different mental health professional from what I mentioned and saying you know what they do when you clearly do not.
And then thinking I am you for some reason?
Clap clap, not my fault you didn't get mental health support when you needed it, chap. I got up and visited one on my own. It's never too late 😉
Also teenager? I wish.
@Dagobert Duck
0 likesAh, you're a different person. My bad.
What I said still stands. Minus the therapist mention part.
People love to praise and screech mental health awareness, but when someone fitting appears suddenly they're an edge lord.
An example was supportive of the main comment, so I used it when people had opposing claims.
Does that hurt you? Aw
@Dagobert Duck
0 likesBtw, I wouldn't call correcting misinformation getting defensive, but alright, you seem to know best.
@Ina Nothing about your comment hurts me xD it just seemed like you tryhard in a comment just to seem special and "different" in a crazy way
1 likeI also do weird shit like laughing when i get accused of something i didnt do.. because its just funny when once you tell the truth but someone thinks you are guilty.. but in the cases where u actually did something wrong people believed you..then you laugh and most people see it as proof that you are guilty xD
It was just how you told it.. i actually dont even know anymore why i responded.. to each their own :P seems pretty dumb to discuss about something like that tbh haha
@Dagobert Duck Fair enough
0 likes@Ina Psychiatrists are therapists, are they not?
0 likes@omginvalid
0 likesThere is a difference between a psychiatrist, therapist and a psychologist. Though for the last two not important for this conversation so I will put them together and won't even go into that.
A psychiatrist doesn't perform talk therapy with you and you do not go to weekly sessions to speak with them. They ask you what is wrong the first time you come around and then they prescribe you medicine for your troublesome symptoms and you leave. You usually come back every month or even less just to check how the medicine is working and if it is giving you serious side effects or making the problem you came for even more severe, to see if the dose needs tweaking. Though if the medicine starts failing you in a major way, you start going a bit more often, but that is so rare since most medicine takes weeks or up to a month to start working.
A psychologist and a therapist cannot prescribe you medicine. You go to them, usually once a week for an hour or sometimes even more often, to rant about your problems or to develop new coping skills aka talk therapy.
A psychologist or a therapist usually refer you to a psychiatrist when they know you will need medicine because it's beyond their area of expertise. When you go into a state such as psychosis (hallucinations and delusions) for example. Because these cannot be alleviated just with talk therapy.
The only time those three can do a confidentiality breach is if you are a threat to yourself or society. Any serious mention of murder/suicide and they're already on their way of reporting you. Even a joke about it has the power to get you in a lot of trouble if the psychiatrist/therapist/psychologist dealt with a similar subject in the past and didn't react fast enough back then.
I mean, if you're up for it. Go to a therapist and speak about your serious murderous desire and see for yourself.
I never understood people speaking so confidently on something they know nothing about.
ps. I still deal with major anger, but no homicidal desire whatsoever, that was some kind of short lived climax back then
0 likesSo no need to get worried for the people around me x
gentleman is getting accused of murder (knowing he is innocent) then told he will be put in jail for awhile... his first thought is;
9 likes"can I please call my work to let them know I won't be in?"...
employee of the year right here! 🙏🙌
“Small white man”
8693 likesMichael: *the complete opposite*
Detective or police or whatever: yea, it’s him, he did it
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Helps show the racial bias in police
761 likes@Tucanforpres001 you tell em
43 likes@Tucanforpres001 In that specific individual. Let's not group people who don't deserve to be grouped, let's focus on the individual.
111 likes@Aaron When the police have a history of not being racially bias I'll afford them that luxury. Until then, they have to earn it for a history of not preventing it. Strangely, they've earned to be grouped by that specific trait.
449 likes@Tucanforpres001 Unlikely. He was the first person they saw after the first guy had run off, so it is probably not racially motivated. More likely is that they didn't want to go to the police station empty handed so they got the first person they saw so as to not seem incompetent. In trying to hide their stupidity, all they did was highlight it.
86 likes@Tucanforpres001 You're still judging the heavy majority by the acts of the minority, pretty sure a bunch of terrible life situation could be avoided by not doing that.
28 likes@Aaron I'm rejecting that it is a minority entirely. I'm firmly stating it is a majority of police that use and allow this behavior. Any amount you suggest that disagree with it but do nothing to prevent it are complicit in the actions due to their failure. Police have a history of racial bias and always have. That is a simple fact. Never in their history did they not have a racial bias. Suggesting that a standard practice for centuries in authority exists isn't an insult. It's a fact. If the police wish to change their image, they should start at actually changing their actions.
130 likes@Timber Stalker they willingly ignored the description of the assailant did not fit the description of the man in custody. They picked up a 6'3 black man instead of a short white man. Then when he had an alibi they refused to check it for 3 days and lied that they had footage of him doing it when their own evidence contradicted he was even the guy. That is racially motivated. Everything points to the black guy being innocent but he must have done it cause he was a black guy in the area
133 likes@Tucanforpres001 Okay great, you can have your opinion, I'll never agree that it's a police culture like you seem to think, I think that's the kind of dangerous mentality that gets people killed, but I'm not going to change your mind on YouTube comments.
25 likes@Aaron then you should do some deep investigation and research into the history of police in society and discover that racial bias in police isn't an opinion. It is a historical fact.
109 likes@Aaron there is a large body of research that very explicitly indicates that the police is racially biased on a systemic level.
51 likesHere's a research doc that shows some of these studies
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ido70LgXsEhxcnyXE7RVS0wYJZc6aeVTpujCUPQgTrE/mobilebasic
(sorry I'm just lazily throwing a research document that talks about more than just this issue, but I think that it's a good starting point if you want to learn about these problems )
@Matt curry My point is don't judge the majority on the actions of the minority, someone who genuinely believes the majority of cops are racist isn't going to take on board anything I have to say so yeah, this is my stopping point.
11 likescough racist cough
21 likesit definitely is racist stop trying to defend racists. the police report said small white man and he dismissed it
25 likes@Tucanforpres001 I need to point out that this specific case was in Canada where racial tensions aren't nearly as high as in the U.S. It does look like the investigators were looking for quick promotions (I think the atypical behaviour was completely irrelevant in this case as the cops didn't even bother to fact check his alibi) and the guy was unfortunate enough to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. As a Canadian myself I have a really really hard time imagining these people purposely not giving this guy a fair chance just cause of the color of his skin... He was extremely polite and cooperative too.
23 likesI also have to point out the huge confirmation bias in this thread in general. If you already believe that every cop is racist then you'll look for every possible proof that solidifies that belief and ignore anything that could challenge it. That's human nature. We're bad at reason.
Yeah but he has white shirt so that makes him white.
2 likes@Aaron I’m willing to bet you have a blue lives matter flag hanging off the back of your Ford F-150? Law enforcement is corrupt and whether you’re willing to see that or not, does not mean it’s not there. You have to judge the majority because that majority knows it’s happening and they’re letting it happen which makes them apart of the problem. Protecting another officers racist or biased actions, such planting evidence, feeds this issue. Please think about that the next time you get pulled over for going 90 in a 55, and get off with a warning. Many aren’t as privileged as you and I so use that privilege to help fix the issue. Or keep making a fool of yourself to protect your massive ego, but remind yourself that a large ego won’t fix your disabling low self esteem, many would call that racism.
30 likesWell he wasn't a woman, so almost complete. Regardless he was clearly just looking to frame him, and close the case. Just to earn some points and make his life easier.
1 likeI'm from the same city. The cops also harassed a black guy at a bus stop for no reason. Turned out he was a local gov't official.
10 likesHe “fit the description”
2 likes@ParanormalTacoz You hit the nail on the head. It isn't just racial bias, the police have a history of multiple prejudices against many different types of people in general as well. For example, low income or poor people.
5 likes@Tucanforpres001 Not really people could mistake things when describing people
1 likeI wonder why😂
0 likes@Aaron Lol bruh avoiding an entire opinion about the police because "its the mentality that gets people killed" is just terrible lmao. 😭shouldn't have to be that way.
5 likes@Timber Stalker I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the arrest, in the heat of the moment they might have forgotten about the description. But the moment they reviewed the call before the interrogation they should've realized they got the wrong guy
1 like@Aaron you’re saying don’t judge the minority of the actions for the majority. You’re right! So you must agree since the majority of the time, (entire US history) the police have had a racial bias! Which means that the minority is not racially biased, correct?
3 likes@yeet yeet potato skeet I doubt they simply forgot the description of the man. Plus, they were chasing him, so they would’ve gotten a glance. What they did was consistent with them hiding a mistake. They tried REAL hard to get the guy to confess, which would have helped them immensely but he simply didn’t.
6 likes@Timber Stalker oh yeah you're right forgot they were already chasing him beforehand so they'd already at least have a rough idea of his height. sorry about that one, not my brightest moment haha.
3 likesBlack is not the opposite of white when it comes to skin color
0 likesYeah that pissses me off :( how could you not pay attention to the description, I hope the cop was suspended.
1 like@Tucanforpres001 so you could say "when non White people don't want to be seen as criminal they shouldn't get involved in criminal activities" which is as stupid as stigmatizing every cop as a racist.
3 likes@MrSearaphim yeah. You shouldn't blame people because of their social backround, ethnicity, cultural backhround or even the job they are working in. Even if the majority is involved doesn't give anyone the right to blame someone without proof that the individual person is at fault. Black people are not all criminals and police not all racist. Just treat every person as an individual.
5 likesOpen and shut case Johnson
0 likes@ParanormalTacoz with that logic you have to blame black and hispanic people for beeing criminal and Others black or hispanic people that know about it are also at fault? So everyone in the ghettos is a criminal? Also Not every black man is not privileged that is a stupid idiologic way to think. Or do you really think that a homeless white man is still more "privileged" than a wealthy black man? Black people have Problems in society but blaming all White people as privileged and for some White people even blaming themselves for beeing White and privileged is only Helping themselves in their narcistic way and not helping non white people.
2 likes@Kingof Grim Lmfao this video is from fucking Canada.
0 likesWhat time
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 in my opinion, the detective is full of bull crap and this is most likely off of his own racial bias. But I don't like the fact that people only see the bad and cops and don't see the good cops. What about the cops of color? I feel bad for the cops who are actually not racially biased and do a good job and still get bull crap from people who group people. We are all individuals and none of us are the same. This detective is a bad representative doesn't mean that all detectives are the same.
2 likes@Tucanforpres001 guess what they didn’t shoot him. Wanna know why? He didn’t resist. Cant be said the same about George Floyd
0 likes@MrSearaphim confirmation bias only seeks answers to back up their existing beliefs. I'm simply looking at the facts. Description doesn't fit, they could easily verify his alibi, assumed guilt cause he was in the area, etc. One it looks like they're lazy. Two it looks like once they found a black man they figured they had their man. Three they were so confident it had to be a black man they ignored an entirely different Description of the perpetrator.
5 likesRegardless of it happening in Canada there is a racial bias in police forces. I'm not just saying in the US but racial profiling exists in basically every country and has been a standard practice of policing for centuries.
@HoloCasey they dont get entire heights and the color of the suspect wrong. You dont say it was a small white man an it ends up being a tall black man.
2 likes@Kitkat 240Criminal statistics based on race have inherent bias because they result from wherever the police force is interested in patrolling more than anything. Wherever the police are more likely to look for crime they will find crime.
1 like@Victoria 17 Good cops don't exist if they allow bad cops to do as they please. Whenever I start seeing the good cops arrest the bad cops we can start saying they exist. Otherwise they're in a fraternity trying to cover for each other like a gang
3 likes@Skyler Patches Imagine thinking a court case where it resulted in showing the cops behaved incorrectly is some kind of own
2 likesYup, that's exactly how POC and especially blacks are treated all the time.
1 like@Big PeePee Energy yes but that’s not what the topic was discussing, in any case tho police racial discrimination is everywhere
2 likesare you suggesting white people are released from the criminal justice system based on race? you must have never looked into Cook County-Chicago
1 like@Aaron I really don't think its a minority dude
4 likes@Kingof Grim Nah gonna have to disagree with that one. Its definitely case by case and the minority. Maybe if we were living in the 1960's or 80's but not in 2021. Its definitely case by case.
0 likes@HoloCasey pretty huge leap when going from “short white male” being described in the recorded call from dispatch to the police arresting a tall black man. And if it was a mistake, that’s still an issue. Police and other authority figures are human but because of their authority and responsibility need to be held to a higher standard.
2 likes@Tucanforpres001 Considering everyone involved was suspeded I find it hard to believe their behaviour was in any way tolerated tbh.
1 likeTeeShirt is white .. fuck it!!!
0 likes@Kylskadathey were suspended cause they got caught and the hands were forced. If they really didn't tolerate lying and failing to do their job in any way they would have been fired. Getting a vacation isn't a punishment
1 likeThis is racism clearly
2 likes@Tucanforpres001 white ppl got an history of racial bias tho-
0 likesWhy aint we hating on em ? Oh right common sense only works partially when its bout you or ppl similar.
Which I don’t condemn you’re allowed to not give af as long as it aint bout you but dont do the same shit to other ppl then.
Michael: bruh....
0 likes@AndreasJake The footage didn't exist. There was no footage. That was a lie from the police officer.
0 likes@Bhuvan S P lmaoooo exactly
1 like@Tucanforpres001 It always has to be racial with you activists, doesn't it?
2 likes@Tucanforpres001 "When the police have a history of not being racially bias I'll afford them that luxury. Until then, they have to earn it for a history of not preventing it. Strangely, they've earned to be grouped by that specific trait."
2 likesYep, just like all groups, right?
@MrSearaphim As a Canadian, you should know better to ignore the many documented instancse of systemic racism agaisnt indigenous people by police. Not even 20 years ago, officers were caught giving starlight tours and killing indigenous people for shits and giggles, and the entire thing was covered up by the system. We are not much better than America.
1 like@Tucanforpres001 true, but there was a white guy being falsely accused too. And he actually got in prison for it.. I mean you're correct police does have a racial bias I believe, but this doesn't mean it doesn't happen to all races.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 saying all cops are racist is just as laughably stupid as saying all black people are criminals. Dont label a group because some of them are bad. I promise, PROMISE you the stats will not support your side at all
2 likes@Aaron bro the police force in the US south started out as a "let's catch runaway slaves" patrol lmao
2 likes@R B Police forces have a history of racism ingrained into their culture. I havent seen that broken. I dont see cops preventing other cops on camera from stepping over the line. I dont see cops trying to prevent corruption within their ranks. I dont see cops trying to prevent racist behavior either. Alot of talk, very little action. The simple fact the cop in this video is straight up lying and trying to frame someone for a crime and not even going to the extent to check out their alibi is ridiculous, and y'all want to act like that behavior is rare? It isnt. Thats standard policing in the world. Failure to even do the job correctly.
1 like@DayBeforeTomorrow whataboutism isn't a valid argument
0 likes@Siebe Leurink no he didn't go to prison for the crime, he was held in jail for 2 years awaiting his court date because he had priors in his criminal record and this investigation was a violation of his parole. He lost two years cause of the design of the system.
1 like@Star Commander Dúnadan SonoftheWest someone's upset the obvious was mentioned
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 You are using a blanket statement. That is my point. It is dangerous to think that way because it leads to unjust results.
2 likes@DayBeforeTomorrow I'd have to see unjust results first. All the cops that try to act like they're good usually end up showing they arent good cops and they have a bad history
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 You also gotta remember, not all policemen are actually like this.
0 likesBut a lot of them are, in the US at least.
@JJPizzaDelivery when those people start actively preventing this behavior openly then I'll say those people aren't the same as the rest.
1 like@Tucanforpres001 We saw unjust results in the Derek Chauvin kangaroo court conviction.
1 like@Aaron lets focus on actual statistics that prove that police have a racial bias :)
0 likes@Lynn' Ayra
0 likesIt also depends on where you live, if you're in America, you're protected under the 6th Amendment.
But I agree, policemen who accuse people because of their racial bias deserves to be fired from their jobs.
@JJPizzaDelivery And when they don't respect this right, they "investigate" themselves and find nothing wrong.
0 likesI'm living in France, what they tried to do was BANNING the recording of cops, after WAY too many got exposed having fun shooting (non lethal, but can still permanently injure someone, taking an eye out for example) at protesters. Them being filmed also saved a music producer when cops broke into his home/studio (not sure about that last word i can look it up if you are interested, but only french source probably) without being allowed to, just to beat him.
Our government tries to cater to the racists, the xenophobic, and straight up ignores everything else.
We are going head first in the same direction than the US (we might get someone even more fucked up as a president. Not a bigoted idiot, but a real racist, xenophobic,supremacist party, who would have zero remorse tanking the entire country just for their agenda)
@Aaron its not the minority. ALL police do this.
1 like@Tucanforpres001 its not racism its classism. You really think a cop is gonna give a crackhead the benefit of the doubt regardless of skin color? You cant blame police for being more apprehensive and tired when dealing with certain people when those people are the ones always committing crimes. And no im not talking about a race here im talking about drug users and the homeless
1 like@R B this dude was a calm black man without a history of committing crimes and was treated like he had and was certainly guilty despite all evidence against it. Thats a racial bias. And no, one race isn't more likely to commit crimes. Racial profiling has resulted in a bias in patrols which leads to confirmation bias
1 like@MrSearaphim Canada is the cousin/ sibling of US lmao. Let's not and America's racism is hyper-visualized because they're actually showing and accepting racism exists unlike Canada and multiple countries in Europe who lie to sweep racism under the rug and act like it's only an American issue. How does small white man switch to tall black man if not racism?
2 likes@R B I don't think he means actively racist. Personally, I do agree most cops seem to have a racial bias against minorities(whether conscious or not). I agree with the negative impacts of labelling groups, but I would have to say cops, or rather people in general, are all racially biased. America has systemic racism, and it certainly affects people today. For example, one of the most notable examples are the wage gaps. The wage gaps, most apparent when comparing white to minorities, symbolize this ingrained thinking.
0 likesThis part is my opinion, don't bash me too hard about it if you disagree.
The term Racist seems to incite defensive behavior. From both personal experience and hearing others, people try to justify actions and saying they are or aren't racist. For example, when asking some older relatives, they unknowingly said some obviously not okay things about other religions. When confronted straightfowardly, they seem to usually deny that they were wrong then justify themselves something akin to, "But some of my best friends are___". I think this response has changed the perspective of the meaning. Racist now seems to mean more extreme behavior. Tuscanforpres probably meant the former meaning. However, I can assure you the vast majority of people are racist anywhere in the world. Although it doesn't mean extreme behavior in the majority of cases, people definitely do have bias, racial and other. It's kind of how you look at a stranger or someone with limited info and try to generalize who they are. They might have some similar behavior in preference ect, but it doesn't justify those labels.
@MrSearaphim I am also Canadian. The racial element of this video hadn't even occurred to me until I began reading the comments. The people who want to keep racism alive and well use phrases like 'systemic racism. Words. Vote.
2 likes@Tucanforpres001 yesss speak on it
0 likes@Tucanforpres001It's horrible to see misinformation spread here with so much blind support. No, there is not a history of racial bias by cops. The data is available. See Coleman Hughes, Larry Elder, Heather McDonald, etc. There has been extensive research done of the subject. While the media would have you thinking differently, the facts show that white males are far more likely to be arrested. Also, minorities are less likely to be arrested by white cops. You don't get to make up your own "facts". I'm very familiar with the data and your claims are completely wrong.
2 likes@AndreasJake There was no footage. Cops lie through their teeth to get people to confess
2 likes@Tucanforpres001 not true they’re just making a description
0 likes@Gavin the great They arrested a tall black man for a crime they were told was committed by a short white male.
1 like@Violet Joy The police have a long history of persecuting and attacking black individuals in the past. They actively allowed the KKK to commit mob justice and in many cases they overlapped. While you're talking about data, I'm talking about culture. I'm not talking crime stats, I'm talking the culture of police as an institution. Beyond that into data, talk radio hosts aren't good evidence of statistical research. Instead we could look at actual researchers and organizations dedicated to this topic that actually knows how to read and run regressions, ANOVA, CI, etc. Elder on the otherhand never studied statistics, mathematics, data analytics, coding programs and languages, etc. You know who has though? Myself. I've studied statistics, mathematics, data analytics, coding programs and languages, etc. I can tell you this, none of your sources ever studied any of these subjects Attorneys aren't taught any of these subjects. Graphing isn't covered during Torts in 1L.
1 like@Tucanforpres001 Unless you're referring to certain states prior to the 60s, none of what you said is accurate. You must not be familiar with Heather McDonald. She has done the most extensive research there is on the subject. Coleman Hughes and Larry Elder get their facts largely from her work. There was a Harvard study done by Roland Fryer who actually set out to prove racial bias in cops. Guess what he found out? He was dead wrong. Are you suggesting you know more than these two people? Heather McDonald has written books showing the detailed data. You might want to check into that.
2 likesAs far as "cop culture", I absolutely hate to see anyone abuse their authority. Police officers who do not follow the rules and guidelines should be removed from their position and face appropriate consequences for their actions. However, while there are those who are less than honorable and some who are downright crooked, the vast majority are not. We can look at the data for that, otherwise there is nothing conclusive to go by.
The culture that causes blacks the most problems is the stereotypical "black culture", for which there is a long history. It comes from the southern states which stem from Northern England. If you're item to learning, check out the book (available on Audible) called "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". It's really interesting and shows the history of the states that we never learned. Anything written by Thomas Sowell is eye opening. He's been doing research on these subjects for over 5 decades.
@Aaron We're not even sure there was any racism at play here. I'm not sure why the description was ignored, but we shouldn't automatically assume it was done with racist intent. Maybe it was, but we don't know. At least there was nothing to support that idea that I saw in the interview.
1 likeHad a police officer have his hand on his gun when he came up to my house when I went to see what was going on. Turns out my neighbor got the cops called out on him and I almost got shot and he felt threatened by my size..
0 likes@Violet Joy Well said.
0 likes@ParanormalTacoz It's ironic how hypocritical your comment is.
0 likesThis thread is.. A bunch of activists from USA (who have no connection with Canada or Canadians whatsoever) being experts in Canadian law, and are more right than the real Canadians talking about their laws and cops....
0 likesWell, sounds about right.. sounds about American..!
@Shardul Shankar How many dead children did they find in that school up there?
0 likes@Shardul Shankar It was like, a BIG number, right? Like so many that if you saw it in a horror movie you'd be like "Okay that sounds a little far fetched."
0 likes@TheSuckoShow Oh yeah.. the amount of Americans who act as experts of world matter that doesn't concern them is baffling.. They are exactly how the saying goes "Jack of all trades......"
0 likes@Shardul Shankar I'm just sayin', you guys do have a problem with institutional racism up there, right?
0 likesSo the assumption that that would extend to your police is like assuming that you guys also eat food. The inverse is so implausible that it's silly to even consider it.
@AndreasJake You’re applying logical and honest thinking to a corrupt and insane process. Catching them in a lie doesn’t force them to behave. He still would have had to wait in a cell. I’m not arguing with you. Just pointing out that ordinary logic doesn’t work within the legal system
1 like@TheSuckoShow Oh dear.. A lot of projections and assumptions and plausibilities and implausibilities on your part, mate. It's not healthy to live in misery on behalf of others.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 the clearly have reasons to be biased, the majority of violent crimes that occur are committed by one racial group, would you not be more biased towards that group?
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 well they don't, like 0.01% have that involved. Twitter doesn't help by making up as many stories as possible for shares and likes
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 that's also not true. You can't just say shit like that. That's generalising and you seen to not like its use in every other place. Quit being a hypocrite and lying
1 like@Matt curry people are stubborn as shit online so he is more reasonable than pokes holes in his argument
0 likes@ParanormalTacoz I'm willing to bet you have something with ACAB on it. Pathetic bias, you seem to think that you generalising a group of people is fine, but when others do it it's bad? Hypocrisy at it's peak
1 like@James "for no reason" is rarely true, it's more often that you just don't know why
0 likes@Aaron 99% of people have biases. We should have that 1% be police because their job is to be fair
0 likes@Skyler Patches the George Floyd one was the police's fault, if you knew anything about policing you would know that. He fucked up procedure, and caused involuntary manslaughter.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 HOW how does it look like that? They literally fucking state why they took him in. He was the first one out of the alleyway that the suspect entered. The detective is just being lazy and not like any of what he said would hold up in court. Nice try pretending you aren't biased
1 like@Tucanforpres001 what? That's also a dumb thing to say because there will be more policing in areas of more crime. How do you not know the difference between correlation and causation? Are you three years old?
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 they do, hard for you to hear when you close your ears to everything though. But there are also a lot less bad cops than you think. But I'm not surprised you don't understand that
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 there are plenty of them. Another example of the virtue of ignorance
0 likes@Spartan Martell victimising is pathetic and a coping mechanism to avoid blaming yourself, people with no knowledge of how the police work use it a lot. It's wrong 99% of the time. Quit making police violence or racial bias seem common
0 likes@Kingof Grim that's a lie
0 likes@Kritav Shah lies like these only make things worse. Get an education
0 likes@Megazerik he wouldn't go to jail as they would just use the call log in court to be proved wrong. Yes the detective was wrong here, but it wasn't racial bias it was being lazu
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 well it's suspended without pay, so it's not a vacation. I don't know much about how the suspensions work other than that because I never have been myself
0 likes@GoatBMT clearly to who? Clearly to a blind man apparently based on how wrong you are. Try and jump to conclusions quicker to support your own views. Your bias is showing
0 likes@Goop Guy Exactly my point, stop lying to yourself.
0 likes@Sebastian-Benedict Flore yeah that's a lazy cop. Doesn't mean it's racism though
0 likes@DayBeforeTomorrow it's such a stupid point. It's like saying "white people have a history of slavery, when they stop having a history of slavery I will trust them" it's the past. A long time in the past. Almost none of the cops in the modern day share that outdated view.
0 likes@Khadro Ahmed not to doubt your conviction but I doubt it was for shits and giggles bud. What ever supports your view I guess
0 likes@Siebe Leurink a very small amount of police have a racial bias, less than a percent
0 likes@nonedescriptivepresence. So? You think they are the same now? That's like saying, humans started out as apes so they are obviously still the same. It's a mute point and one that is pointless to make
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 he's upset that you lie time and time again and believe you deserve to be validated for it
0 likes@JJPizzaDelivery a lot but not percentage wise. A percent at most
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 they do, stop ignoring them then
0 likes@Goop Guy the description of the suspect doesn't fit him at all. They're not just being lazy they also genuinely think he probably did it just for who he is. Thats why they dont follow up on his alibi for 3 days.
1 like@Lynn' Ayra satire, surely
0 likes@Star Commander Dúnadan SonoftheWest yeah he got off easy
0 likes@Lynn' Ayra oh thank god it is satire. I was worried for a second there
0 likes@JJPizzaDelivery yep, doesn't mean they are all racist though....
0 likes@Goop Guy dude the only one saying shit is you. Your only rebuttal is just say it didn't happen and then begin trying to tag me with a qualifier. The police industry has a racial history. It always has. Racial profiling is also ingrained in the culture and training. These are facts.
1 like@R B it's also about manners or the lack there of in the lower classes. If your nice to the police they are more likely to let you off a ticket. Still gonna arrest you for breaking the law. Seen too many officials with lots of money thinking they are above it only to get thrown out of the car and arrested.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 it's racist to think it's a racial bias. Why do you think every white cop is racist?
0 likes@comp uter America has an issue but it's a fraction of the size than it would be shown as if you only loom at twitter clips. People who know nothing about it and lie make that view seem true. It's not
0 likes@comp uter because he came out of the same alleyway. They would have arrested a tall white man if he was the first one out. This cop sucks, but that's because he's lazy, you can't just say he's racist without any proof.
0 likes@Cameron Ding it's your opinion and all, but saying wrong things on the internet because you know nothing about how policing works will dictate how people see there own views. And if you validate the idiots and wannabe terrorists into thinking all cops are bad. then it won't help much
0 likes@Fluorescent Black some Cops are lazy, but they don't dictate everyone
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 yeah literally many decades ago. Racism was legal on the past, doesn't mean it's legal today. Your point is stupid, the past is not the same as the present
0 likes@tardis022 so? He has all right to hold the gun, doesn't mean he was going to shoot you. That's illogical, he wouldn't have shot you unless you ran at him or went out of your way to get him to shoot you. Look at suicide by cop
0 likes@Rojea they aren't biased, they may be more on edge in poor neighborhoods but that doesn't mean they are more likely to arrest someone. Hell they want the people there to like them most of the time so will let people off of small stuff from time to time. But whatever you say
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 what? You do know that they would have checked the Alibi immediately if they believed that's who he was? Why waste the time? They were lazy, the former option is easier so they went with that instead of searching. Nothing to do with race no matter how much you twist it and think you understand how the detective thinks
0 likes@TheSuckoShow the irony is amazing
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 I like how the one person (Violet Joy) gave a whole long list of reasons of why every claim you made is misinformation and bias of yourself towards your hate for cops is wrong and even brought up names of people who actually did such intensive research that you just assumed they were randoms. And you still have the audacity to keep talking your shit while ignoring everything they proved you wrong about
1 likeNow don't get me wrong I'm not defending cops but to say that every police system ever is crooked bc it's ingrained into this "culture" is just flat out wrong we can all agree that a majority are good, you However clearly only expose yourself to the bad parts of the police force with only bad stories of bad cops winning while ignoring all the good ones and the ones that do get rid of bad cops don't bother replying to me bc I'd rather see you finally respond to Violet joy and get proven wrong again
@Tucanforpres001 You say it’s a “proven fact” that police have always been racist and “never haven’t been”. Proven by who? I don’t believe you -show me the proof.
0 likesAnd don’t think that 115 glue eaters upvoting your comment equals you being right, because that’s only the result of our epidemic of sycophantic conformity.
@Goop Guy alright mister smart. Who TF calculated that shit when you can't even say for certain about an individual if he or she is racially biased. You cant just make an assumption and state it as a fact.
0 likes@Kingof Grim What you’re doing is called begging the question, Einstein.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 But when you behave that way you’re just “looking at the facts.” Am I understanding that correctly?
0 likes@Khadro Ahmed So everyone who looked like them has to “pay” for their evil? Have you ever read Kafka?
0 likes@nonedescriptivepresence. I don’t believe you.
0 likes@Aaron BUT what we’re saying is that it’s not a minority, it’s a considerably large part of the whole system, also even if it was a minority its still a problem that has yet to be addressed by the police themselves for centuries…
0 likes@Lynn' Ayra Wouldn’t That would be called murder? I think that’s wore than racism...
0 likes@AndreasJake he could’ve but even if they did have footage they wouldn’t have to show it to him, also so people use evidence to create stories that will fit their narrative
0 likes@Kaytie Spears this exactly! it also leads into the courts because a lot of people who have richer background are able to afford better lawyers and those who are poor and cannot often are given plea deals without even being guilty of committing the crime
1 like@Kitkat 240 ?? the topic was that there is racial bias in the police system. so rather than “shouldn’t get involved in criminal activities”, people of color are already painted out as criminals, without having committed any crimes… did you even watch the video that’s the focus of this comment section? our point is that even without criminal activity people of color are targeted more compared to white people. also if you wanna use that saying then in theory white people should be targeted more because they commit more criminal offenses than any other race…
0 likes@Kai Pierre my Point was you shouldn't See all cops as racist because there are racist cops in the Police force. Same for black people. Black people are human beeings and not all bad because some idiots can't behave themselves. I think Police should be screened more to find Out racial tendencies but framing them as all racist isn't helping anyone.
0 likes@Kitkat 240 in my belief i don’t think it’s a minority of officers based on repetitive statistics over the past couple of centuries. so it still doesn’t make sense on how a generalization that applies to a majority shouldn’t be applied to the police force. also i’m not saying the officers are cognitively racist but that racist practices have become so normalized in the police force that they aren’t deemed as racist, which in itself is a problem.
0 likes@Sith Ticklefingers Yes, and racially motivated murders exist. Right now a government is taking part in one.
0 likes@Kai Pierre the thing is that proofing racism isn't that easy. And statistics are hard to find because of that. If you Look BLM sources no Wonder Police are racist but that would be like reading a statistic about how good trump as president is from himself. There is a small Part of Police that is proofable racist. Exactly Like there is a Part of black that are criminal. That doesn't mean WE should see them as that. Because in the Police force and in the black communities are individuals.
1 like@Kai Pierre I know because it happened to me in a sense. I got swept into an acquaintance's drug deal for just being in her car when she sold pills to an informant with a wire. Spent 18 months in jail waiting for court to finish out because I couldn't afford an attorney.
1 like@Kitkat 240 … i didn’t mean stats from organization. rather from the government websites that report on crime. also as a said it can be an unconscious response (meaning we also, as citizens, might not recognize these wrongdoings because we are so desensitized to them). and besides the factor of racism what would cause the police to unfairly target more minorities than white people than the ideology that’s based off of race. if i may ask what would your beliefs be for why minorities are so disproportionately arrested (i won’t focus on conviction and imprisonment because i already know that another cause for those is classism)
0 likes@Aaron 'i'm just gonna ignore every piece of evidence out there becauase i'm white and it'd be an inconvenient truth for me' might aswell be what you just said
0 likes"I'm sorry,but I don't see race.everyone is just Hoomans to me"
0 likes@wolololer Bro this video focuses on a black male being held despite having an alibi and not fitting the description of the suspect. There's no reason for it other than racial
1 like@Sinister Leviathan It sounds like you're believing fantasies instead of reality. All police systems have corruption. Humans are flawed machines that commit mistakes and let bias influence their decisions. If your naive enough to think that somehow there is a magic system that doesnt become corrupted by their failures then have at it.
0 likesTo be fair, in some cases descriptions are not that great. You don't have to believe the descriptions, they can easily be fake. Imagine a scenario where me an my black friend rob a store. I can act as a vitness and say that the thief was white. So yes, police officers don't need to follow the description, it is just a possible help.
2 likesAbsolutely unforgivable!
0 likes@Timber Stalker however in the 911 call the suspect is said to be a small white man=suspect so it still makes no sense to arrest Michael. Now I don’t want to get into an online argument I just wanted to point out that if they listened to the 911 call more specifically then they wouldn’t have been as incompetent and arrested a large black dude=Michael who was the complete opposite of the suspect.
1 likeClear cut racism
0 likes@N M Now give a bad excuse for why they did nothing for the alibi for 3 days when it could have been checked in an hour.
1 like@Tucanforpres001
1 likeThe first one wasn't a bad excuse, however what they did about the alibi is bad.
I was just saying why stuff like this happens, I did not try to defend this officer though because I don't know what he wanted to do. Why are we applying the "racist until proven not racist" on the officer now? He could just be a bad person.
@Kai Pierre the exact reasons are too complex. In Ghettos the reason is often because they are poor and don't no it better. Gang criminality for example. Like in racist familys people hate Others White or non White Just because they don't know better. And yes non White people can be racist too. Because in black communities for example are White people a minority so they are excluded or worse harmed just because they are different. It is a Problem in Berlin, Germany for example. Some Public schools in Berlin have a high minority rate and non minorities get attacked. Because the in Germany non minorities are a minority in the Public schools in some Problem districts.
1 like@N M It's obviously a racial bias. He failed to uphold his duty by treating them fairly and the department ended up having to pay out for it. There is no reason to not check the alibi.
1 like@Tucanforpres001 Again, you are assuming it's racism based on absolutely nothing. All you can know is the detective was a piece of sh... Nothing else.
1 like@Goop Guy Are you referring to my reply saying that the policeman lied about there being footage?
0 likesWhere in the comment did I even remotely imply anything about/tie back the to discussion on racism?
@N M a detective ignoring the evidence in order to convict a black man and refusing to even acknowledge they may have the wrong man very much looks like a racial bias.
1 like@Star Commander Dúnadan SonoftheWest KANGAROO COURT???? Damn I forgot, it’s perfectly legal to choke someone to Death for 9 minutes when they are immobile and unable to move, bc they had a history of criminal charges.
1 like@Goop Guy I’m so sorry to find out ur not satirically trolling us. I hope as you progress thru school you’ll begin to do some research on these things, as I did when I was younger. Maybe one day you’ll change ur POV after u get smacked in the face with the facts
0 likes@N M it’s not “absolutely nothing”
0 likesHow the fuck does someone who is the OPPOSITE of the description not only wrongfully arrested, but treated like a criminal when there was so much evidence proving he was innocent. This is just one obvious common sense case of racism that you are choosing to ignore bc it doesn’t fit ur narrative. Ironic how republicans usually complain about this on the other side of the coin. (Not saying leftists don’t do it, just clear bias there too :)
@Tucanforpres001 No.
0 likes@Goop Guy Nope no acab here, we need police, but they corruption is and always has been there. "generalising a group of people" like how black and hispanic men and women are generalised? It's not a bias, it's the ability to open my eyes and see that what is happening is wrong. There are plenty of cops who are wonderful, but when people of a race(who should just been seen as Americans) are terrified of walking down the street because their brother or friend or maybe even their parent died. Thats an issue, its not bias its the view of the millions who are affected by us. Its not hypocrisy when police use "past experiences or intution" as an excuse for murder.
0 likes@Sith Ticklefingers The balance of the law has been destabilized for decades. I don't understand why all of you believe that you're more gifted than anyone else. All anyone wants is for this bullshit to stop. Don't blame it on crime because crime is at the rate it is because of brutality. They got brutal, so the gangs got brutal too. The only way this shit ends is reform of our justice system as a whole, and that can't stop with the gangs or traffickers that has to start in departments.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 you really just used the line "humans are flawed machines" it's like I'm arguing with an edgy 14 year old, how about you hop off your couch get away from the news that only feeds you negative stories and actually do research, research the things Violet Joy gave you, you touch on nothing she said once again proving that you don't know anything you just really don't like cops and for whatever reason want to spread such misinformation about them, if I'm living in a fantasy then you're living in one messed up Dystopia thinking every single police system has corruption, and just like you said no one's perfect and you're perfectly displaying your bias towards cops letting it influence everything you say without actually knowing, the irony is so thick here that's it's funny, it seems some of us are more flawed than others
0 likes@Sinister Leviathan I'm literally an economist and paralegal with a specialization in research. I'm gonna guess only one of us knows how to search through scholarly journals.
0 likes@Sinister Leviathan Also Violets argument is research done by a bunch of conservative talking heads who have no historical training in statistics which I addressed but you didn't read. I already tore them down.
0 likes@Goop Guy Racial bias plays a huge role in our justice system. Him being just a black man makes him an easier target. The detective having his information still wanted this man to confess to a crime he didn't commit because he knows how skewed the justice system is when persecuting black men.
0 likes@Goop Guy Why I said hyper visualized. I'm also not even on twitter and I see these clips. So many things happen behind the screens that we aren't aware of. Denying the presence of racism is more damaging to the system as a whole.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 you "tore" them down and then she answered back saying how actually you're wrong here's the research and what they did and even brought up another name so again how about you tell her that bc you just left the conversation as if you couldn't argue back and seeing your reasons that you typed to me it wouldn't Go so well with her huh, I'm going to guess you won't actually address the multiple things she said and brought up new things in the new comment she made that you never answered but are perfectly okay answering every other comment talking to you.
0 likesYou say you're all these things is great so why are you still wrong in the statements you made towards cops? Do you want to share your own sources of these Scholarly journals you read instead of saying you read them? Give me the names of the people you get your material from? I'll happily look into whatever you get your stuff from as well as these people who have "historical" training in statistics as if the history of the police corruption should matter if the research done on the present conditions of the police system says that its changed
@Sinister Leviathan I already have like 10 other people replying. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince conservatives that the boys in blue aren't great.
0 likes@Violet Joy you quote the 2016 working paper but don't even detail what it found. It detailed that blacks were more likely to experience force by police but less likely to be shot. Thats far from being dead wrong regarding a bias.
0 likes@Violet Joy also that racial bias study you claim wasn't about culture. It was about use of force by police. Those aren't the same thing. Culture is larger than just who they kill but also how they behave in general. Use of force is the tip of the iceberg.
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 if you can text 10 people you can text one more that actually has good points, is having a conversation respectfully, and isn't being rude in anyway like the majority of these comments are. You would have a better time commenting towards her instead of the other half of these comments you reply to and again did she not bring up the one person that tried to prove the majority were corrupt and found out they weren't is he also conservative? Can I have your thoughts on that point she made?
0 likes@Tucanforpres001 YouTube is not the platform to "detail" data. That was only one piece of data I referenced and it absolutely is a relevant part of the overall picture. I don't have the time or energy to explain how to read through data. If you're interested, you'll look into it. I read it for my own knowledge and you can do the same. TS and HMcD can explain the data much better than I can anyway.
1 like@Sinister Leviathan I just gave my thoughts on the points she made. Her Roland article was cited incorrectly and wasn't about the culture of police or the history but on the statistic answers regarding use of force. Which found that blacks and Latinos are subjected to up to 50% more to nonlethal force than whites. That all races face lethal force the same. I also state that other sources don't know statistics or have any history in mathematics or statistics so their interpretations of data has a major problem within.
0 likes@Kitkat 240 okay but that still doesn’t explain why minorities are so disproportionately targeted. even outside of ghettos people in minority communities are arrested at much higher rates than their white counterparts. and even going beyond your example of in german, in a lot of western countries a lot of the time it’s the reverse (mainly because the majority of the country is white while the minority is still the minority, meaning it probably happens from majority to minority more than minority to majority). so if we use the example you stated then the majority should still be punished at a high rate (if it was proportional to their population) than minorities, but this clearly isn’t the case.
0 likes@Khadro Ahmed some of, that's like saying every person in CHAZ (back when that's as a thing) are all racist because "some" of them laughed after the two black men died a shooting. That obviously wasn't the only view. I also doubt even that. "some" is very poor quantitative data.
0 likes@comp uter well that's not my problem as I'm not denying racism as a whole. I'm just saying it's not common for racism to be present in the force, so when you say shit like "the majority of police are racist" you can't argue that I was saying there was no racism. Get it together
0 likes@comp uter an easier target? He was the first guy to walk out of an alley the suspect went in. They had perfect reason to detain him. The detective didn't search out a person of colour, that's called a coincidence. You probably haven't heard that term before. It's where two thinks occur at the same time or are occuring at the same time, but they are not actually linked. Or do you believe that vaccines cause autism?
0 likes@comp uter it's pathetic that you manipulate occurances in your own head to fit a narrative. Lots of conspiracy theorists do that too. Guess you guys are pretty alike.
0 likes@ParanormalTacoz there is a small amount of corruption in police forces in ACs, corruption is based on income and making money, that it's in ACs we have agencies to track down corruption, like the FBI or MI6. (ACs means advanced countries by the way, it's geography terminology)
0 likes@ParanormalTacoz it's like saying "men are targeted by the police" stats would tell you that, but there is also a large degree of men committing more crimes, which is why it's ignored.
0 likes@ParanormalTacoz also if they are living in fear. It's more often to do with the lies spread by twitter to worsen the relationships between the police and BAME communities. Just makes both sides more uncomfortable as they feel the other is out to get them. If we stopped the lies and started posting every police story instead of cherry picking. Then we wouldn't have people who are scared of the police. Lack of knowledge is the cause
0 likes@Siebe Leurink idk maybe the people that are actually on the police force would know better? Maybe the stats don't show the extreme hyperbole many state is fact? Maybe racism had decreased in the last 100 years? Idk I can't pick just one point because they are all good
0 likes@Goop Guy What in gods name are you talking about? Are you even Canadian? The Starlight tours and the deaths of many indigenous people at the hands of police for decades was such a huge story here, and it showed how systemic racism was very much alive and well in Canada. These officers laughed as they beat and left these men to die in the cold, and the system covered it up. I said those officers did it for shits and giggles, and you denied that. Nowhere did I say every cop was racist or evil. Maybe don't talk about a topic you clearly don't know about. Google 'Starlight Tours;.
1 like@Goop Guy "Quit making police violence or racial bias seem common" while your own experience is not sufficient evidence for the general state of the country, racial biases are common. That is not my opinion, that is fact and it is found in so often and in so many places that the current civil rights movement is still going strong and there is so much literature about it that it can fill a single library and then some. I am not the one denying reality here, that is you. Additionally this, "victimising is pathetic and a coping mechanism to avoid blaming yourself" where do I even begin. People are dying from being murdered in cold blood and that's the first thing you go to? Wow. When someone, like you, completely dismisses outrageous atrocities so apathetically, this is when I begin to think the worse about that individual. And before even attempting to reply you need to take your own advice here, "...people with no knowledge of how the police work use it a lot. It's wrong 99% of the time." Except replace "how police work" with "how systematic racism works." You cannot tell people to take a stance against ignorance and educate themselves while you yourself take an ignorant stance.
0 likes@Goop Guy eh yeah but you're pulling up with statistics like you know them for a fact. So show me the source..
0 likes@Siebe Leurink hey, I have as much stats as you, that is none. So guess we are equal
0 likes@Spartan Martell also, you can't act like the police and systemic racism are one and the same and then act as though they are different to prove a point. My point was the "racism" you seem to think is common, is just any time a black person is arrested. People don't know procedure so they think all this stuff is uncommon and only because of there race. When in truth it's just procedure. That applies to all of the videos online ignoring the 10 or so that show actual police brutality, which are often not even race based when they are. Racism is common when it's the only thing you want to see
0 likes@Spartan Martell thanks for proving my point at least
0 likes@Khadro Ahmed the context you are using it in is to say that all cops are racist, so that is what I was disputing, I'm not saying it didn't happen, clearly you misinterpreted what I said.
0 likes@Goop Guy You went on a rant huh. Calm down, I now your type to do crazy things when you get angry. I'm not the one denying the bias in our world, it's not perfect just as this case wasn't. A black man is easier to convict for a crime he didn't commit- even if the criminal was white. It's common sense.
0 likes@Goop Guy When did I say majority of the police are racist? Now you're spinning words sir, don't do that lmao.
0 likes@Goop Guy damn so the guy trying to be a policeman, is trying to say the police ARENT biased LMAFOAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
0 likesIn any case. 2 years of research, countless classes, and databases is not equivalent to “3 google searches and twitter posts” LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FBI crime statistics show the racial bias TODAY and it’s still approximately 3 or 4 to 1 for criminal arrests, charges, doubly as long sentencing, and more
@Goop Guy also, again, I know this story is based in Canada, so the FBI stats don’t matter in Canada but that does not change the obvious and commonly known fact…
0 likesPolice have a big racial bias. The majority of the force has a racial bias.
@Kingof Grim I'm trying to be a neurosurgeon but nice try bud. At least you proved your 13 at most with that god awful comeback. You do know capitalising and using more letters than normal doesn't make it seem special. I mean it makes you seem special but not in the way you intended lol
0 likes@Kingof Grim 2 years of research, already know that's false as you don't do those in school, which you clearly havent even graduated from. Lying on the internet doesn't make your points any more important.
0 likes@Kingof Grim also are you listing fucking averages? Are you joking? You did "2 years of research" then list averages like the crime rates are identical. How do you people not know the difference between correlation and coincidence? I'm not going to teach you averages and why they are awful for wide ranging comparisons because you can do that in school. Go play Minecraft or something and let the adults talk
0 likes@Spartan Martell oh in that case, if I say white people are all racist, black people are all racist, and you eat puppies then they are all facts, because you can't prove them wrong. That's the reason that all law systems work on an innocent until proven guilty basis and not the other way round :).
0 likes@Goop Guy well U said earlier about studying to be a policeman, so you’re found guilty of being a liar. Sucks that you wouldn’t be able to fix your own brain if you ever get to that position.
0 likes2nd- referring to the capitalizing thing… that’s what my phone autocorrect does LMAO. If I say certain words it autocorrects to capitalized letters
3. I graduated last year, the majority of our “Social studies credits” that we needed, happen to fall under current events and we discussed quite a lot about racism in the US, especially today. Voter ID fraud and the stupidity of that, among other things. The systemic racism subject I had been interested in since 9th grade (on the other side of the coin) but TLDR, after those essays I started researching much much more
@Goop Guy I never said all cops are racist though, I just said its important to acknowledge the systemic racism in Canada and that there ARE plenty of racist cops alive and well in this country. The person I replied to was pretending racism is only an American issue, its not. You're biased in defending cops no matter what, and you defended cops from something i didn't even imply. Learn to let go of your bias and read.
0 likes@Goop Guy so what you said is.
0 likes“Any stats contradicting my point are not true and ur a child” LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@Goop Guy also, ur right! Correlation and coincidence are different. But when you notice… the “coincidences” happen every year… for over a hundred years… on top of the heaps of clear evidence that’s discarded by yall as
0 likes“He isn’t racist! He didn’t scream the n word and say “IM A PART OF THE KLAN” while also wearing a huge white robe and a pointy hat.”
Let me know when you, as a white person, are prejudiced against based upon ur skin color, especially by police.
I’ll make it easy for you. It won’t happen
@Goop Guy I think it's clear now seeing your multiple posts on here that you are confusing me with other commenters. Some of your replies make sense, others are incoherent and have nothing to do with my last reply to you. Good luck on replying to everyone you are arguing with. Though I still think your arguments are weak and full of false premises due to your insistence on dismissing facts. For example, your refusal to accept the prevalence of systematic racism despite all the evidence for it, thus your willing participation in your own ignorance.
1 like@Goop Guy Yes it's happened. If he had said the wrong thing, he would have been in jail. Look up victims of wrongful convictions by race then come back to me. You sound upset, calm down man.
0 likes@Goop Guy Wtf are you saying. What am I saying wrong? Come up with an actual argument instead of just criticizing me.
0 likesI never said all cops are bad. (Actually, even if I did, how would I validate wannabe terrorists? Wanna explain that line of thought? )I simply said all cops are racially biased because all humans are racially biased in some way. There is racism all around the world. While some places might be much more extreme, it doesn't discard the fact that people tend to look at minorities in unfair manners.
@Spartan Martell thanks for that, sadly people like them are racist and will deny everything just because they feel that racism doesn’t exist unless it’s the most obvious act of racism.
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@Kingof Grim LOL I do not even think that the most outrageous and most blatant act of racism would change their minds. Simply admitting that there might be a problem would begin a domino chain of events that would quickly unravel their entire world view. Thus, their strategy is always to deny, deny, deny, deny, and deny some more.
0 likesThe poor bearded guy, he sounds like such a decent dude. And he fucking spent 2 years of his life in prison innocent. I wish we could donate some money to him, if someone deserves a good life from here on out, it’s this guy. God bless him!
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That’s what i was thinking , i felt so bad for him
32 likesDid he? He spend that time in his early twenties because of robbery (10:53) right?
51 likes@Daniël Yeah I think Mihai misunderstood it
19 likes@Daniël at 5:54, the narrator says “at this point he doesn’t know that he’s about to be wrongfully imprisoned for 2 years”. So it seems he had previous offences on his record, got slammed up for this one, at a trial the testimony of Candy got picked apart and he was set free.
108 likes@Daniël he did spend two years imprisoned falsely accused of the robbery in the video
58 likesI hope bearded guy was also compensated
34 likesSue the shit out of the police and the city when you get out.
25 likes@Daniël Yeah but I think he turned a clean slate
1 like@Daniël So what, the man paid his debt to society. He was wrongfully imprisoned and his sentencing was exacerbated due to the first robbery. How tf do you have 39 likes? You're the type of person that focuses on punishment rather than rehabilitation, aren't you?
2 likes@PerturbedxTirade im pretty sure Daniël was saying that the guy with the beard did not spend 2 years of his life imprisoned for something he didn't do, the 2 years were spent when he was younger and actually committed the crime he was accused of and didn't spend 2 years of the crime he was falsely accused of in the video we saw, they were not saying, if i understood correctly, that the guy doesn't deserve a good life, assuming you were implying Daniël meant that.
4 likes@PerturbedxTirade Hi, no what I was wondering was whether he was wrongfully imprisoned. I thought he wasn't (since he was also guilty and imprisoned for 2 years before), but turns out (as other pointed out), he was also imprisoned for this for 2 years, wrongfully.. Very sad. I wasn't making any moral point or anything like that. Hope it's clear!
0 likes@haha funny Exactly :)
0 likes@Daniël im glad i understood right then
0 likes@PerturbedxTirade I have no clue how you misread what Daniel was saying lmao.. Think people, think before you speak...
0 likes@J.R. Griffith Maybe if composed his sentence clearly I would have actually understood.
1 likeStill, do NOT talk to cops. Don't. STFU. I would go down to the station with the promise of a catered dinner but offer nothing. Kinda like a date.
0 likesIsn't it awesome how total incompetence as a "detective" can result in someone's life being ruined? Good stuff!
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And literally NOTHING happens. Very rarely do you ever see a suspension without pay or a demotion, or any sort of life-changing consequence. It’s always “oh, there’s always a few bad apples 😇” if I was that bad at my job I’d be fired.
8 likesDon't talk to the police without an attorney.
3 likesMistakes are made by humans, that's our weakness. We're not arbiters of eternal, undying truth. If this video teaches you anything it should be that guilt and innocence are not cut and dried and share many equivalent points of reference. Should one mistake as a criminal investigator mean the loss of livelihood?
0 likes@Cutland Springs Yeah. If a doctor makes a critical error in surgery, he probably loses his license. I don't know why we don't do that with cops, when not only our lives are at the stake, but also something some are more afraid to lose - freedom and good name.
0 likes"Mistakes happen" is not an excuse for someone that supposed to be a trained profesional that deals with human lives. Especially when we see those "mistakes" were forbidden interogation techniques, or sometimes even unnesecary violence.
This interrogator really tried the “we know you did it just admit it” tactic but managed to say it in such an awkward and quiet way it didn’t have one effect.
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hello pfp twin
4 likesDaniel hola
4 likesWell he didnt approach it right either. Outright saying that you know is just asinine, its a mind game. The man almost immediately called his bluff because not only was he innocent but also was astounded at how he was approaching him. A gradual release of evidence pointing towards them mounts pressure onto them making it nearly impossible for someone to fake their way through a full on accusation.
7 likes@Luke Hutchison that was the problem there was zero "evidence" the cop had nothing. Thankfully it all turned out well, it doesn't for a lot of people who aren't as cool headed or who don't have a rock solid alibi
1 likeI wish there was video of him getting demoted and suspended.
0 likesLying manipulative police officers should be fired, they are not worthy to hold the position. They should also lose their pensions - make them suffer as they made the innocent men suffer.
0 likesHere’s a good quote: “I have just as much evidence that I am innocent, as you have that I am guilty. Which is close to nothing. I can’t prove anything to you other than by telling you that I committed no crime.”
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it is a good quote, but to an interrogator, especially one that wants to close a case asap, it will be taken as a smart alec comment. On top of that, I would think more than not, folks (including detectives) cannot process this in real time. This plus selective / confirmation bias, makes for a deadly combination.
32 likes@Chris hahahahahaha
0 likesyou shouldn't speak to police without an attorney present
9 likesAh yes
0 likesCops: We lost him. Let’s just arrest the first person we see.
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Pathetic isn't it?
102 likesA small white man is the suspect and they arrest a large black man WTF???????????
296 likesHim: It’s not me
131 likesInterrogator: That’s not up for debate
You're not far off there.
4 likes@Hannibalwantsahug Grande Inherently authoritarian organizations attract authoritarians. I mean "authorities" is a widespread alternative word for "the police". And to an authoritarian, right & wrong are never an issue because they're always right by virtue of power.
36 likes@Dylan LeRoy nice racism
0 likesIt's arguably reasonable to make that arrest, but completely insane to not immediately look at footage from the surrounding area and check any possible alibis right away
2 likes@Caleb Still the arrest is totally inexplicable, they are chasing a running man and encounter a man who is not only not running but doesn't remotely match the description of the suspect and has a cast iron alibi they could have easily immediately verified to decide if detaining him should become an arrest.
11 likesSomething went horribly wrong, guns being drawn seems to be a part of this. I can't easily prove this is racism but this sort of thing just keeps happening when the race of the accused is different from the police.
Modern Police are highly trained to pick out shapeshifters from a crowd
15 likes@Officer Hotpants wow that sounds spot on.
0 likes@Treblaine if all people I disagree with were as reasonable as you I would no longer have arguments and go back to discussing stuff like normans
0 likesthey could’ve spent that time searching for the real suspect but instead they had multiple armed cops arrest some random civilian off the street while the guy who committed the crime got away
4 likes@i 2017 he was not even black lol
0 likes"DONT SHOOT HES NOT BLACK" - dragon ball super
5 likesThey arrested who they wanted to arrest
0 likes@i 2017 Systemic racism in action. The first thing they could have done was look at the surveillance video.
6 likes"But this guy is tall and black!"
4 likes"Even better!"
Yo where's your profile picture from the colours look sick
0 likes@GuyFromSouth theyre both lol 99% of them anyway
0 likesfirst BLACK person... fixed it for ya
2 likes"yea so our boss wont get mad with us"
0 likesHappens WAY more often than they admit. It’s what happens when ego and bravado have free reign in the tribe of cops
2 likesHow will find criminals if they can’t investigate them?
0 likes@Things Aren’t That Simple idk maybe by actually having proof and not getting random ppl in the street and saying that there guilty because someone said so or because they say so.
1 like@Things Aren’t That Simple well i suggest you reaserch settlements and how the just only the city of chicago for example has spend 1 billion in 10 years of wrongful convictions and investigations.
0 likesah but yeah totally legal i guess to do this and part of protocol.
@Things Aren’t That Simple but off course investigating someone with just the evidence that the person was near the area of the crime is enough to force them to accept they did something they didnt do.
0 likes@Treblaine this is almost certainly the case here. horseshit charges given to justify previous mistakes
1 like@sleepydragon1975 No proof it was racism at fault, even then that's not systemic. Systemic racism is whenever it is the system that has a bias, not the cops.
1 like@Viper Well, when you have a state that has the most dangerous crime and crimes rates in the state, and the majority of them being the same color, of course you’ll have 10 years of wrongful convictions. You know what’s worse than the wrongful convictions? Not finding the criminals at all. Why don’t you research all the homicide victims that never receive justice because the killer is never found.
1 like@Viper It’s not forcing them to accept anything. Again, that’s not how it works.
1 like@Gmodiscool15 its the cold harsh reality
0 likes@Things Aren’t That Simple you clearly didnt see the video
1 like"the Evidence we have is overwhelming"when in reality they have no evidence.
@Gmodiscool15 Whoooosh!
0 likes@Things Aren’t That Simple Bro he literally insists he's guilty, while lying about having proof of him doing it. Told he would be in Jail overnight and was instead held 3 and a half days before a different party investigated and concluded he was innocent. The guy literally told him that he wasn't debating with him and that he was guilty and essentially forced him to accept. It's LITERALLY what happened...
1 like@Dylan Feetz Muir what
0 likesimagine whooooshing in 2020
we lost the short white male sus, but there is a tall black case closed getting off the bus
0 likes@i 2017
0 likes"We lost him. But LOOK! There's a black guy! We can arrest that instead!"
@Things Aren’t That Simple Investigations and subsequent arrests should be conducted according to evidence. That's not what happened here. What happened here was a clear cut case of racial profiling and an abuse of authority. But it's actually quite commonplace, which is a problem. I don't want our police to run around terrorizing innocent people out of your misguided sense of justice.
1 likeIndividuals should never have to worry about their freedom being arbitrarily threatened by the state just because it saves authorities face or protects the fragile feelings of police officers looking to close the case quickly rather than doing it the right way. That isn't justice. That's tyranny. Do you want that?
But I don't know. Maybe you like living in a police state where people don't have rights and the government has ultimate power. I can't fathom why. Maybe because you think it can't happen to you. In which case, you'd be wrong.
They didn't think they lost him, though. There have been many cases where such an action was correct.
0 likes@mccowan3rd How do you know?
0 likes@Viper Lying is used in interrogations to get a criminal to admit. As the video stated, innocent people almost never admit to crimes.
0 likes@Maniac50AE woe its racist when the person is black but if the person is white oh no its not racist
1 like@i 2017 Clearly he's a transformer. They're more than meets the eye.
0 likesEasy promotion/pay rise
0 likesIt’s because they have to meet quotas.
1 like@GuyFromSouth That’s actually happened multiple occasions.
0 likesbasically, .......yes
0 likes@Caleb This. I dont know how the laws work in Canada but innocent people are often not quick enough to Lawyer up. In America every good lawyer would be like, ok you got the footage, lets see it. This isnt traffic court, you have no right to file false charges against this guy without showing why the charge is justifiied. A frivilous criminal lawsuit is bad. Guy is analytical enough to know he needs a lawyer and to know to call their bluff on the footage because he is innocent, but too polite and innocent to stick to his guns when he asked for a lawyer. Probably would have made all the difference for this guy not spending 3.5 days in jail. Good Lawyer would have solved it in an hour or two, and made sure he left that room a free man.
0 likesThat happened to me as a teen because i had a mustache lol wtf
0 likes@Victor Nieves i think the job of being a police officer attracts negative personalities. Like people who crave authority and want to have power to yell at people. I think a good cop would actually be someone who doesnt want to be one. Thats my opinion anyway.
1 likebasically let the person get away
0 likesI envy this man. If I was in the same situation, I'd be apocalyptically enraged. I envy his calm demeanor and the ability to remain this calm under immense pressure. I hope the people responsible for treating him this horribly got what they deserved, not just some "oopsie-daisy" slap on the wrist. Wrong place wrong time is a terrifying concept to me. I hope Michael is doing swimmingly and didn't face any backlash for this nonsense at work or whatever.
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3 investigators were demoted and suspended without pay. Which sounds great on paper, but in practice relates to a day off, and up for promotion in a week. Still, I'm impressed anything happened. The suspect was released from prison after 3 days and eventually won 46k in a lawsuit. Which probably just about covered the lawyer fees.
31 likesI recognized the anger he was actually having.
7 likesI'm probably just imagining/projecting but I'm pretty sure I could see/hear the anger that wasn't as "apparent".
When brought in, he was pretty calm, it was just an inconvenience and he was sure things would go well and maybe he would help them get things sorted out.
Then, when the interviewer would accuse him and call him a liar and etc, and his response was to smile and chuckle.
Those laughs/etc were a response to a mixed feeling of the typical anger and the humor seen in the ridiculousness of it.
The end was him boiling about them definitely continuing to waste his time but not realizing how much time they're going to try to waste.
He actually believed they were going to look into the notion that he was being honest. If the interviewer was honest about actually intending to do nothing, he would have lost the hope and humor he built up, and then show more visible anger/hostility.
He would still be rational, people just wouldn't say he was calm.
@Dishonored Undead To be fair, we don't know if it was a day off. Hopefully not. And up for a promotion? Unless his superiors are as inept as he is, he would have to work long and hard to get a promotion after this circus act.
0 likes@Violet Joy If it's the Toronto police, don't rule out racist, corrupt, and generally garbage right through the ranks. They've had a bad problem for a while.
0 likes@CatFish107 Maybe so, but I'm not going to make any assumptions.
0 likestall black guy being “confused” for a small white guy. classic.
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Classic for Merica if you ask me.
32 likesSure Europe has black n white to but be honest, it's America's biggest and loudest trope and second is being fat.
And third is maybe (personall) - making bad chocolate.
Some would argue and would say beer is the third worst American trope (personall option)
But the only alcoholic I've drunk was mixed - Vodka (which is alcohol but not beer).
Did I start a war?
@Kaya just Kaya that was Canada
34 likes@Felix Sanchez Canada is american
8 likes@Blu_Rayx what? How
7 likes@Felix Sanchez America is the continent
22 likes@Blu_Rayx oh that's confusing. as someone born in the us im considered an American but someone born in Canada is considered Canadian
6 likes@Felix Sanchez that's because americans don't have a name for their nationality, in my country we know them as "estadounidenses" which can be translated as "united staters" that's why americans for me are everyone that lives in the continent known as America
19 likes@Blu_Rayx wow didn't know that what country is that?
5 likesHere, it goes Mexican,american(u.s.),canadian
Or if your from somewhere else and live in the u.s. its mexican-american, 'African'-American or something like that. People here also confuse race and nationality a lot, people call me Mexican but I was born in California it's only because I'm brown and my name they assume I'd rather be called Mexican and whites be called American. Minority People have gotten offended that I call myself American actually lol
@Blu_Rayx well there's two different American continents bro, so North American would be fine for Canada. Canada isn't the united Canadian states of America, it's just Canada. We are Americans in the US because we are the United States of America. We choose what we are called, not you. I can't just call French people whatever I feel like, well I could but then I'd be corrected by tons of others like I'm correcting you.
21 likes@j r I'm not saying I can call you however I like, I'm just saying that in my country (Chile) we call you like that
4 likesEdit: and also if it's a country like the USA or Canada we call you North Americans.
There's also a less educated way to call you, it's "gringos"
@Felix Sanchez prime example of a failed educational system
6 likes@j r yeah but the entire continent is called America, so everyone from the continent is American, just like everyone from Europe is European, it's not wrong to say that.
4 likesstill gonna call you guys gringos tho.
@Blu_Rayx I mean if we're getting this specific there is no American continent, only North and South America. You call these America, the same way United States of America is called America. They're all just abbreviations.
1 like@John Alfredo there is an American continent in the model taught in Latin America and some European countries. The model taught in the US treats North and South America as separate continents
2 likes@Blu_Rayx you blew this dude mind smh
1 like@Blu_Rayx You do realize the USA is the United States of AMERICA, right? Our Demonym is American lmao. Thats like saying people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland arent British, but United Kingdomers 🥴
7 likes@Taylor I wasn't saying it was wrong to call you americans, it's just not very exact and I understand there's no other way to say it in your language, and please don't make fun of mine
2 likesHe's white as fuck, what are you on about?
0 likes@Blu_Rayx I am not mocking you its just we're the only country that calls itself America and the only people whose nationality is American. Thats all
4 likes@Taylor Yeah, but I'm just saying it's not innacurate to call a Canadian american
1 likeThat is both sad and hilarious
0 likes@Blu_Rayx yes and everyone but south America calls the USA America, plus he said Merica wich ive never heard refered to anything but the U.S.
3 likes@Kaya just Kaya the cop was literally not from “merica” but thanks for playing
3 likesEquality has been achieved. Colorblind at last.
0 likes@Blu_Rayx everyone in Brazil, Argentina, Peru, all South Americans are “Americans” too?
3 likes@Oscar Salas yes
1 like@j r That's hilariously wrong, every language on earth except the one the natives use decides themselves what to call them. Germany doesn't call themselves german, that's what the english chose to call the germans. You're the united states of america, the more correct term would be 'united stater', or identifying yourself by the state you're from. A canadian is just as much american as an american. If a new country appeared in europe that called itself the 'union of europa' then sure they'd be known as european, but it wouldn't change the fact that everyone else is also a european in the european continent.
3 likesThe united states of america refers to the continent, not the country. And with that in mind, you have no claim on american as a country name really. Just like how south africa isn't refering to the south part of a country. So you can still be a south african and not be from the country of south africa. Crazy i know.
@Taylor British is the empire name that is for all the inhabitants of the empire, then you have the separate kingdoms. i have a friend that lives in london that perfer i call him english rather than british. Just like how a canadian would like to be called american or a frenchman would like to be called a european. You don't own the name of American just as much as south africans dont own the name african. The 'American' part in the 'United states of america' is refering to a continent, not a country/empire/kingdom. So no, the correct country term for someone living in the US should be 'United Stater' or just 'Stater', Calling you american would still be refering to the continent you live on, just like calling someone from south africa an african. Hell you don't even need to be from south africa to be a south african since it refers to the southern part of africa just as much as it refers to the country. Kinda like how the whole america thing works.
3 likesNo one said you aren't american, but people sure as hell said that every other country in the americas can call themselves that too.
@Bluepiggy idk about this whole argument maybe I’m dumb but aren’t South America and North America two separate continents? calling someone American would mean they are from the us, right? if you’re not from the us, you would be referred to as say, Canadian or Argentinian, right? lmao the thoughts on this matter are so split we need a real conclusion from some government official or something
1 like@Kaya just Kaya bruh, you know you didnt have to say all that shit, you know you're trying to start a whole war
0 likes@Bluepiggy So first of all Canadians generally resent being called American. South Africa's Demonym is South African.
1 likeThe America is United States of America is the nation's name. United States is a descriptor in the same vein as Federal Republic is for Germany or Kingdom is for Sweden.
America may be the name of two continents, but it also the name of a nation and trying telling us what our country's name is or isnt is pretty arrogant.
Either refer to us as Americans or refer to us by out individual state demonyms
@Kaya just Kaya it was Ontario Canada...😐
1 likeWait, I thought there were 7 continents? Tf? I'm uneducated
1 like@Marjannuel Saturnino Depends on which model is being taught
1 likeI'm from Hamilton and the hps doesn't have a 100% perfect record in this field, just saying
0 likes@Bluepiggy "The United States of America refers to the continent, not the country." I want whatever you are smoking, what? 🤣
1 likeDid we get into a comment war about what to call people who live on the American continents?
0 likes@Caleb Lee The 'America' part in the 'United states of america' refers to the continent. If you don't know that then i believe you've been smoking whatever you have a bit too much.
3 likesI swear it has to be racism
0 likes@Blu_Rayx there is 2 american continents, north and south america, north america is white black and brown people mostly white black and brown english speaking people, south america is mostly brown and black people who speak spanish and little english
0 likes@Kaya just Kaya what?
0 likes@harsegirl It's a question of semantics, i brought it up in a previous comment i made, You can be south african without being from the country south africa. (Because africa is a continent which you can hail from the southern parts)
2 likesAnd if you're trying to use the south/north thing to counter a point i've made then shouldn't it be "United states of north america" and you guys be known as "North americans"?
If the answer to that is no, then why bring up the divide?
The whole debate boils down to the question what the real name of the country of the US is and what the proper name for its citizens is.
Calling you americans would be calling me a european.
Early americans considered themselves of "The united states" which reflects in a lot of languages to this day, my native tounge doesn't even use the "America" in the "United states of america", you're simply called "United states"
Saying "Flying over to the states" is far more accurate than saying "Flying over to america".
I suppose at the end of the day, sure you can call yourself american, but that's not the name of your country.
EDIT: I completely forgot to mention that not all naming convetions follow the 'rules' so to speak.
Even if your country is called 'United states' then the people could still be called "Americans." Despite how wrong and confusing that might be. 'Stater' doesn't ring as well sadly.
Like how netherlands have dutch people.
@Caleb Lee agreed
0 likes@Bluepiggy Also agreed
0 likes@Bluepiggy ahhhh i see. thanks for explaining it in a way that wasn't extremely biased or rude lol :)
0 likes@j r I always say US citizen to avoid confusion also I feel it’s ignorant to just say “American” for US citizens.
0 likes@harsegirl You asked a genuine question! My conversation with the other dude might be heated but it's just banter. I think it's important to be respectful to people who ask for explanations.
1 likeIt's funny you mentioned the biased part, There is a lot of hate towards americans on the internet so i try not to feed into it. it's also important to let people make up their own opinion rather than to try and paint them your way. The world would be a boring place if everyone thought like me.
Also i like the idea of the US government coming out with a statement, that would end this eternal debate.
@Blu_Rayx sorry guy nice try but you don't say 'merica unless your referring to the US 😀
1 like@Felix Sanchez no he was referring to the us he didn't say American he said good ole merica which is the us. Not canada
1 like@Killer Macchiato I thought so
0 likes@Bluepiggy *you said American who tf are you referring to*
0 likes@Bluepiggy The American part is not important? What are you on? It's literally locational, a defining feature of the country is where it is located. Also yes, the states acted as countries, for about 20 years... they then fell in line to a federalist system, still with power but less. For someone talking about education you seem to leave out some key details about the time of the Articles of Confederation. You're on some tirade about how the country isn't called "America" because that's a continent, but the fact is it isn't. It isn't about egos. It's about, as you said, simplification. "America" is not a continent. North America and South America are. Hell you can even call them both "The Americas." But saying "America' doesn't actually refer to a continent. However, the point was made above that you seem to miss. The country name is not "The United States." It is "The United States of America," which is where American comes from, the final word in the FULL country name, which you are ignoring for the furthering of your own narrative. Where I am getting lost is how you think people care about what you call the country or the people within. If you call it America, people will understand. If you call it the United States, people will also understand. So nobody really cares what Bluepiggy has to say about what they call the US. Curb your self importance.
0 likes@Caleb Lee Curb my self importance? Do you actually think i give a shit what peoples opinion are of me in a youtube discussion? You have conversations like this to put what you think is right to the test, not to prove others wrong. Still, i do find it funny that you have to point out that nobody cares about my particular opinion yet you've spent quite a considerable amount of time to try and change my mind. If you're going to try and get under my skin with such a comment then maybe you should make sure it's true first. Because there is one person who cares, Caleb Lee.
1 like@Blu_Rayx fascinating!
0 likesPitiful
0 likes@- LMAOOOOOO pls tell me you are troll. There's white people in south america too. Imagine a person from morroco calling themselves "no, we are north africans, not africans, thats a completely different continent" Only U.S citizens (and anglosaxon people) call themselves as americans, the rest of the world has a word for U.S citizens that is not americans, cause it could be misaken as a reference to the continent.
0 likesThis is why cops should be sued personally and not just through their departments. If they know they're going to be on the hook financially for bad behavior on the job, they'll be less likely to behave badly on the job.
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Not sued, that's not how suing works. If they are found to be corrupt they can be criminally charged for that though.
52 likes@Rudi Goldblatt I think their point was even though an officer can be accountable personally through the criminal system, if you sue the officer personally for civil damages they do not pay the tab--the government does. It does not come out of their pocket.
76 likes@Chris Goodnow Yeah, that's a fair point. Thing is though is that people usually try to sue whoever has the most money, which usually ends up being a business, police department etc as opposed to one individual person. The police department should also take responsibility for the type of people they employ.
15 likesIf fired, they would lose their pension, that's incentive not to lose their job over these lies, but this fool does it anyway. Small white man in the video, very tall black man being interagated. Most busses have had cameras for some time now. If he watched the video, this man does not look like their suspect, he should be fired for trying to trick this man into making a statement that could be twisted around. That's their job, those lying bastards. They only care about convictions, guilt or innocents doesn't matter to them, just their possible browny points.
16 likes@seattleblaze They rarely get fired though, and especially not for lying, so they have no incentive not to lie. At most, they may be asked to resign, pension stays intact.
13 likes@seattleblaze even if they get fired they can almost always find work with another department somewhere else. A local cop in my hometown got fired for being drunk as hell and poaching at night in a farmers field with his spotlight on, using his service weapon to kill a deer, then he pulled the gun on the farmer and threatened to kill him when the farmer came out and confronted him while he was loading up the deer in his patrol cars trunk. It was a big deal in town because the chief didn't file any charges just fired him, then it came out that the guy had been fired from another towns police department for crazy behavior too. The town ended up having a vote to dissolve the local police and just have a county sheriff office outpost instead.
10 likesBad people are everywhere.. bad cops.. bad firefighters.. bad parents.. etc.. You have to know your rights and always - Guilty or not, ALWAYS call your lawyer!
6 likes“Bad behaviour on the job” more like how they are taught to act like, it’s very common
4 likesPolice unions stop this from happening, sorta like how they stop bad teachers from being fired
3 likes@Rudi Goldblatt "The police department should also take responsibility for the type of people they employ." Yup. That's key - would eliminate much of the horror of what we've been witnessing lately.
5 likes@Billy Pi amen!
0 likesAny other career if you fuck up, then you are fired. Within law enforcement they "look out for their own".
3 likesThey should just require them to have insurance for things such as this. They get sued and the price hikes up each time, they don’t have insurance they can’t be police.
1 likeComplete negligence should result in individual punishment because the ramifications of such mistakes are potentially catastrophic. Just like doctors can face criminal liability, so should investigators, especially when simple, primary details are overlooked. This would ensure that when they (investigators) make decisions that are potentially for their own benefit (like seeking a confession for the purposes of say, a promotion) at the expense of the truth, they will think twice. A great shame that truth has gone by the wayside in these times.
4 likes@seattleblaze investigating takes time. Time that they rather spend drivin and shootin. The thing most bad police officers join the trade for.
0 likesI say to you All LEO’s are bad cops. Let me explain: Cops are almost always at least in pairs or more and during a law enforcement officer’s career there is a great chance they or have seen another officer act improper or illegal due to dealing with baby rapists thieves, & murders. So we all know happens amongst criminal when they rat / snitch / turn in another criminal. Well it’s the same with Law Enforcement Offices and it’s the same with a cop snitch as it is with criminals. Therefore the only good cop one that has quit, been run off, or killed because the other cops let it happen or caused it, because the cop turned in a fellow officer. If you don’t agree with the above I challenge you to ask a friend that is law enforcement officer you trust the following questions: Have you ever broke a department rule or state law or federal law while on duty? And did you turn yourself in? Have you ever witnessed or acquired information of another officer that broke a department rule or state law or federal law on duty? And did you turn them in? Have you ever or seen another officer make a mistake on an arrest that will let a known criminal off? And did you snitch on that fellow officer. If you saw another officer make a big mistake (murder) and NOT ARREST THAT OFFICER OR OFFICERS for murder? Well that is every officer aware of the George Floyd case that has not arrested the other three complicit officers. Yes all three offices were complicit. The other two offices that sat on Mr. Floyd and the other office that watched and did not PROTECT AND SERVE the safety or George Floyd. Then a Grand Jury should decide if George Floyd died from eating his stash of fentanyl or did the gang of cops kill him. So yeah all offices are bad or will become bad. If they aren’t bad its because they just haven’t been an officer long enough. JUST DO A SEARCH ON YouTube: Bad Cop. It is not racists cops killing it is a a systemic problem in the LEO community of NO bad cops every getting arrested or turned in by their fellow officers. The two Only ways to stop this bad cop behavior is: Fine the bad cops and give the money to the good cops that snitch; and if a cop if found to witness any other cop maleficence and NOT snitch / rat then they should be fired. So with all this said I feel for all LEO's, dammed if you snitch and dammed if you stay a LEO. The other way to fix this systemic NO SNITCH problem is by: Record all interactions by LEO's with the public and automatically have the videos posted for the public to view.
0 likes@Ozymandias ! Oh he was a gypsy cop
0 likesI'm pissed FOR that guy. 2 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit, after clearly trying to clean his life up, damn.
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Cops just want to advance their career they don't give a F about innocents especially if they have a past. That's why most can't get out of their inferno. Vicious circle. Some try to walk straight but they always are given the short stick
35 likeswhen he first said that he spent two years in jail, i had to pause and teared up. and then as i continued the video i had this hope that they would realise his innocence and let him go (i don’t know why tbh) and then it was like another stab when that part ended. truly heart breaking
14 likesI think the * was a correction from the narrator saying 3 years in prison.
1 likeI'm pretty sure the video was referring to a crime that he committed in his early 20s. I dont think he was convicted for this specific crime.
30 likes@chase aspen Do you have a source we might be able to read?
1 like@JDM King Man, did you watch the video?
9 likesYeah pretty messed up that prison is meant to help people change and go back into society, yet when this person did he just got put back in again. The system is very broken.
0 likesThose cops should do 2 years
5 likes@chase aspen I hope you are right
0 likes@Daniel watch the video and the narrator say the guy is frustrated because he was in jail in his early 20 for 2 years and know that exactly the tone is the same as he was go to jail for 2 years.
2 likes@chase aspen 6:54 You sure about that?
2 likesDude did not get sentenced.
1 likeHe was proven innocent beyond doubt.
Watch the video don't just pause and assume
Also the investigator (Michael Case) is absolutely trash. I was relieved hearing they got fired.
@Spark FFS can you take your own advice? At 6:54 Jim's narrator clearly says "he doesn't know he's about to be wrongfully imprisoned for just over two years". Unless that's incorrect, that's a pretty clear indication that he has, in fact, spent two years imprisoned. Perhaps that just means the time he was held before the resolution of the trial, I don't know, but either way, the fact remains.
5 likes@Spark Yeah, I watched whole video before I commented.
0 likes@Beta Factor
0 likesTake a look at 10:02 that is why I am pretty certain
I totally understand the confusion here.
We would need details to really be sure.
I perceived that the narrator describes the upcoming event what he is about to hear.
@Daniel Please explain 10:02 Statement.
0 likesNot gonna lie it is quite confusing.
But that statement there seems pretty clear
@Spark "Was later exonerated." This means he was later freed. He couldn't be exonerated if he hadn't been first found guilty. He would instead have just been declared not guilty.
1 like@Daniel Yeah that makes sense, but he didn't serve the full sentence, right?
0 likesOr did I miss something?
Nonetheless the system is messed up If the people representing it don't understand it. Just sad.
@Spark No, he didn't serve the full sentence, which was somewhere in the range of 20 years, he was exonerated, but not after serving 2 years for a crime he didn't commit, hence my comment.
0 likesWhat’s really making me uncomfortable is that they’ll do what it takes to make you look/feel guilty before knowing their innocence. Especially with no strong evidence.... imagine how many people are locked up bc of something like this....
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I guess the smartest thing is to not talk to them at all.
7 likesthat first detective was so confident but he must come from the stevie wonder school of detectives...the real robber was differently dressed much shorter and WHITE
1 likethats exactly whats happening to me now.at the end of my interview he asked me if i would take a lie detector test. i said yes..that never happened. after 30 days in jail i finally made bail. i did not do what they say i did..
1 like"you can see the fear emerge in his eyes"
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92 likesLMAO
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19 likesThree dots, pick your own quality and pick 1080
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0 likesLMAOOOOO
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0 likesFire that detective who tried to make someone innocent say he did something that he didn't do. Man, I'd be screaming at that detective.
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0 likeshahaahhaa xd, man, three pixels might sound low... But I study astrophysics and sometimes you got just three pixels available to study an object hhhaha
1 like@Hunter Bidens School Dumpster Pew you can pick whatever quality you want, wont change the native resolution of the cam footage which is certainly not 1080p
2 likes@Marco Albán are you able to actually determine much?
0 likes@Jacob Ely true but it definitely increased the quality substantially...
0 likes@Rehana why? For explaining how to change the quality, in case it wasn't just a joke, to be nice? For telling the reddit user to take his reddit threads back to reddit? Maybe because you take issue with using comedy to speak truth to power and bring up difficult topics so we as a society can have a conversation about said topic and bring about change? Or is it that you deny factual information? Why exactly an I a child, could you point to which part makes you believe that, and let me know which reason you believe that makes me a child in you eyes?
0 likesBecause for me, when someone on the internet calls another person a child straight away, as their go to, I automatically assume that person is projecting their own age. Why? Because statistically, only children care about that sort of thing, and want to be the big kid, and so run around calling others children thinking it makes them older, and thinking that matters. Does age denote intelligence, access to information, awareness of pertinent current events, or comedic value of dark humor about difficult topics? Alrighty. If age is an insult to you, because it somehow means children know basic facts about current events and spread awareness of said events, then I'm a child. Lulz
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0 likesFr bro he was like you can see how his face makes a slight motion, and I'm like like 🤨 maybe if I look hard enough
2 likes@Annie bruh you're gonna attempt to ridicule some typos while "*u*" have typos yourself? C'mon man!
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0 likes@Annie you forgot to capitalize the I, and a comma before yet
0 likesHow tf did you get 6k likes in 14 hours on a 7 month old video??? Gj
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0 likesNice outcome
0 likesWow now I can imagine how many people were thrown in jail over nothing.
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One is too many
59 likesI was
8 likes@haskha45 .....
0 likesNow just imagine back before all the detectives had such high tech technology.
30 likes@Outdose pretty sure back then gettimg thrown into jail wasn't the worst thing that could happen to them...
2 likes@Girl Idk torture
6 likes@james d so you're admitting you've commited multiple crimes and avoided jail time in every single one of them?
5 likes@Furosukki That's the most perfect sitatuion where I can use, if you excuse me, (clears throat) ..... (inhales, 1..2..3)... (here it goes):
7 likes"FBI This man right here"
@Furosukki bro it could be weed
0 likesfreakbag556 The worst part is some have sat there for over 20 or even 40 years before they finally do the right thing, and sometimes they know but bc the person is of no consequence they just let them rot. Or those on death row. If a gung-ho prosecutor is climbing the ladder they will lie and manipulate till the puzzle pieces fit. It's foul and evil.
0 likesMy lawyer told me about a client who plead guilty to rape, but didn’t do it. The girl was scared of her dad finding out she had sex; plus they were doing drugs in the parking lot.
0 likesAnd beaten to death, specially the falsely accused of rape, cause, you know, rapists are beaten to a pulp in jail, some even get shanked, it's just, bad
0 likes@james d sure bud. Just like Dean Browning is a gay black guy. Lol
0 likessatisfying ending
0 likesI’d prefer to see Michael interrogate his interrogator... he’s clearly the more intelligent of the two.
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Might actually catch a criminal that way.
57 likeshow is he more intelligent? put a time stamp where he is proven to be more intelligent
3 likes@Hooligan Fanatic hit a nerve?
181 likes@Hooligan Fanatic um, because he uses reason in midst of being in a powerless situation whilst investigating officer comes at him guns blazing w/ no understanding of the eye witness testimony indicating someone of a different stature AND race.. smart policing, for sure. The fact that u would feel compelled to defend his intelligence, tho, is, well, interesting... BUT I won’t leap to judgment, outwardly
128 likes@William Journell that doesn't prove he's smart, it proves he's clever
2 likes@Hooligan Fanatic okay, if we must split hairs, then yes, it’s possible the interrogator is smart(er), but he’s clearly not prepared.... and when we’re talking about personal liberty we’d hope our civil servants would do their due diligence, eh?
49 likes@Hooligan Fanatic books dont make you smart. If he was so smart why didnt he immediately read the innocent mans body language?
24 likesHis book didnt work so he decided to try every chapter over and over again.
@Hooligan Fanatic damn you sound so salty 🤣
25 likesJohn Cannon must be that interrogator.
41 likesThe moment when he understand the interrogator strategy about camera and explain it to him that can't work.
9 likes@Hooligan Fanatic you lost this argument.
8 likes@Hooligan Fanatic The hole video shows it. Nobody needs a time stamp to see that.
10 likes@Hooligan Fanatic it’s pretty clear the interrogator is a headass bruh, he got caught at every turn he tried to take
5 likes@Hooligan Fanatic The cop is an intellectual insect mate. Your comment is amusing..
6 likes@Hooligan Fanatic He's obviously smarter, he realizes the bluff and gets payed 46000cad whereas the investigators//dettainers get suspended for their stupidity. What are you even trying to prove or justify here
11 likes@Hooligan Fanatic bud take a pill
2 likes@Hooligan Fanatic 19:20 "Talk to the bus driver". Did the Police not think of that at the time?
4 likesRemember, all through the interrogation the officer knows or could have known he doesn't have the right suspect.
The problem is; Police are programmed to prove guilt not innocence so they put very little effort into making sure they aren't arresting an innocent person.
@Hooligan Fanatic 00:00 - 21:45
5 likes@Hooligan Fanatic gonna cry?
3 likes@Hooligan Fanatic The guy immediately put himself in a box with nowhere to go. And his department insurance paid $46,000 because he didn’t want to do his job and CHECK before carting this guy off to prison. Maybe you should go back to playing with roller coaster games alone.
4 likes@Hooligan Fanatic the interrogator is a manipulative person
0 likes@Hooligan Fanatic clever and smart are synonymous, funny enough. Nice b8 tho
2 likesYeah seriously.. I doubt any of you could tell me that listening to that guy accuse Michael over and over again didn’t sound just like the wallet scene from spongebob. This interrogator is literally dumber than Patrick star. How was he able to get this job in the first place???
0 likes@Hooligan Fanatic that proves he has critical thinking, problem solving, and that he could create strong thoughts against someone who held all their freedom in the palm of their hand. if someone put a gun do your head and asked you questions, i bet youd tremble in fear and struggle when completing thought. someone who could overpower the fear that someone with full control placed upon them, would have undoubtedly a stronger brain than him. if the detective’s goal was to get the subject to admit to something he didn’t do, and failed he indisputably was outsmarted by the subject. quite frankly, in any given situation where a detective (who most likely spent around 6 years at a collegiate level studying interrogation) is outsmarted by a subject (who most likely didnt spend 6 years studying interrogation or else he would be a detective) then most would agree that the subject would have to be smarter than him.
1 like@Hooligan Fanatic you know the difference between smart and clever! damn son, you were mama's favorite, don't lie
0 likes@Hooligan Fanatic He never lied, he is at the very least more ethical which I say makes him smarter!
0 likes"Falsely in Prison for 2 years"
759 likesI'm so sorry for him
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There are few combinations of words that make me this mad and sad.
30 likesOff of a false accuser too. I hope she got punished for that but...we know how those situations usually go.
42 likesI hope he got millions
14 likesThere's one guy that recently got out of prison, it's like 2 years I think. He spent 20 years in prison, finished a law degree in there and basically spent the 20 years convincing people to look into the case again. After 20 years they did, and found him not guilty. Fun times, I tell you.
11 likes@Val Asfar who's millions
1 likeLet's steal from others (taxes).
I feel like this is a dumb question but when someone gets falsely accused but given prison time, the time they get out and they know they weren’t guilty what do they get in return? Money? Or nothing...
2 likes@PLOU-GOD money if its still an ongoing case (sometimes, more not than often) and nothing if it's not
0 likesthis guy looks like the postal dude
0 likesLmao that investigator probably started sweating when he was like "we have a video of the scene" and dude was like "Great! Perfect! Watch the video!"
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@Oznem Derks The investigator's ego got hurt. That's why. smh
9 likesHis manner looks like he was innocent how bad it was to put this guy in custody for nothing.
0 likesA cop once told me “You can talk yourself into handcuffs, But you can’t talk yourself out”. I know the urge to defend your TRUE innocence is a strong urge, But you simply have to remain silent and request an attorney.
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Which is also what career criminals do. It's a tough spot, being accused by incompetent idiots.
29 likesThat's kinda difficult when you're randomly pulled out of a bus and charged for a crime you didn't even know happened. He clearly was trying to avoid the need for an attorney because most people don't keep a criminal attorney on speeddial and don't have the money to afford them just lying around.
31 likes@M Silva don't they get provider in the us? I know yku get one here for free if you need one (Europe)
1 like@Erebos It's really not advisable to get a public defender
3 likes@JUSTIN Hm, since I'm a law abiding citizen I never needed one, but when I served as alderman the attorney who spoke in the cases I was assigned to did very well. again, not in the US...
1 likeWouldn't that cost money? Alot of people probably feel comfortable not asking for an attorney when they KNOW they didn't do anything rather than pay a fee for somebody to explain what they already know.
3 likes@SlicRicFlair WOOO in the United States criminal attorneys can be provided for free by the state, They are called “public defenders”.
3 likes@SlicRicFlair WOOO dude, you literally just watched a video of innocent people being charged. Did you even see how the cop pounced on him when he said he knew the cindy girl? Never ever talk to a cop without an attorney present. It doesn't matter if you know you are innocent, one misunderstanding or accidental slipup and you better make sure not to drop the soap
6 likes@Erebos They're necessarily awful. But they're wayy overworked and barely have enough time for the cases they're given. When it comes to your innocence and future, you're gonna want someone who can look into your case and not just spent 15 minutes on it.
2 likes@Erebos we have those too. You’re country isn’t special
0 likesAs an introvert that’s been under investigation, I can see myself in that chair in this video. Although he seemed calm, believe me when I say, his thoughts were definitely going a mile a minute trying to piece together reality.
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I couldn’t imagine 😔
1 likeHe said he had a duty to ensure the truth is out while lying about everything. This is disgusting police officers now days and the sad thing is - they are almost all the same
0 likesThis is why innocent until PROVEN guitly is important. Reasonable doubt is so important.
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This is one of the key parts of Brexit, France and Europe run on guilty until proven innocent model. Britain theoretically not so much.
8 likes@Carbon 12 I think Europe has an innocent until proven guilty model
43 likes@Carbon 12 untrue lmao
17 likesDoesn't exist.
0 likes@Carbon 12 what are you talking about lmao. Flat out is not true >.>
6 likesWeinstein & Cosby were BOTH FRAMED!
0 likes@Carbon 12 I'm European and trust me, you really don't know what you are talking about.
4 likes@Carbon 12 You are dreaming. Europe has innocent until proven guilty model all the way, and that is not key parts of Brexit. Get your facts straight.
8 likesYou must be 12 or less.
This is the opposite in the internet or twitter however.
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0 likes@Rob Guiking the only country i know that had guilty until proven innocent is japan so most people usually just accept it if the punishment not heavy.
0 likesIn Mexico you are guilty until proven innocent. Their judicial system was modeled after the USA but a mistake was made, instead of innocent until proven guilty they wrote guilty until proven innocent. Since then the courts and judges have been following that rule.
0 likesThere was never any doubt as he was not a small white man.
0 likes@Frank Gonzalez Official sounds like USA ended up copying that model so many innocent people behind bars in the most institutionalized country in the world it’s scary for the people who did nothing rotting in prison for no reason
0 likes@joseph esposito yeah, sure pal
0 likes@modestrocker1 that is what is called a non-sequitur. Yes there are bad cops, that doesnt change the principle of justice we should strive to uphold. How about we tell corporations and twitter mobs the same thing? What about people killed in riots?
0 likesEdit: grammar mistakes.
@Charlie Slobig worst are those for non-crimes like possession of marijuana.
0 likes"demoted" dude should have gone to jail for willfully wrongfully imprisoning someone
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@Magnazero123 ...in a video game.
0 likesCops only get fired when they try to do the right thing. The disgusting incompetence of this investigator is proof of that
2 likesacab
6 likesI feeeeeeel like your a bad person and guilty so I'm obligated by law to put you in jail for a crime you did not commit.
0 likes@L Tex
0 likesyou liked your own comment lmaooo beta
@Liliputian07
0 likesACAB is false
SCAB/ACANB is accurate
seems like people go to jail in america when innocent A LOT in america .. And that could be because cops seem to be way to stuck on certain suspects instead of giving them the benefit of doubt
0 likes"I didn't do it because I'm a low-key guy, I'm not argumentative, I'm really relaxed and a kind person."
4203 likes"As God as my FUCKING witness I didn't do none of that shit!"
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Hi checkmark
27 likes@DDan that aint a checkmark tho
127 likesthis got me too XD
21 likesThat guy killed his wife and 2 daughters, there is a Netflix show on him
83 likesCan i talk whit that witness?
4 likescops: aha! you said you didn't do nothing! that means you did do something
68 likes@Samuel Ritchie what is the name?
7 likes@Samuel Ritchie wait what?
1 like@O K i like how you say "not to shit on you or anything" right before shitting on them lol
15 likes@O K bruh if you look at it its the most centrist as it can be how is that radical? Also i just have it there as meme
8 likesHaving god as a witness is about as useful as having santa clause as a witness lmao
5 likes@Bronco Belligerence you're so funny!
7 likes@pitrson ' I didn't say you are, but just said that only edgy teens who usually radical views do it. And even if it counts as a meme, it's still boring, unfunny and unlikeable.
3 likes@aaron Nah, the really funny thing here is you so desperately wanted a checkmark next to your screen name that you actually put it in the name.
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence Fragile.
7 likesSamuel Ritchie isn’t that Steven Avery from Making a murderer? I lived in the town where he’s being held.
0 likes@where is sauce? His name is Christ Watts
1 like@Frederick Douglass parties are a massive waste of your time and health. Watching the grass grow is your time better spent than getting fucked up on alcohol, drugs and whatnot.
3 likesperfect example of your average Canadian and average American XD
0 likes@O K nerd
2 likesSounds like your story is full of holes AND I AIN'T BUYING IT!!1!
0 likes@You Have Great Balls, I’m jelly I'm surprised that a supposed conservative is unhappy with me making conservative decisions. This "nerd" right here is 17 years old and benches 255 pounds. Are you going to tell me how doing drugs and otherwise partaking in degenerate lifestyle is a good choice?
0 likesO K r/iamverysmart
4 likes@USE THE SPORK I didn't say he's a radical. I said that people with those political compasses as their profile picture are usually radicals, because politics has consumed a massive chunk of their lives.
2 likes@Bronco Belligerence Dude wtf is your problem? They complimented you and your first response is to insult them? You need help
1 like@O K ok mr tough guy lmao
1 like@O K So what you're saying is that you're judgmental.
1 like@pitrson ' yes it isn't.
0 likes@Jamoses it's not about being tough, heck, I would never know if y'all are millions of times toughter than I'll ever be. (Not that I am particurarly "tough" anyways, I'm just a kid.) I don't claim I could kick anybodys ass, but if someone wants to kick my ass I can offer them the opportunity.
0 likes@Frederick Douglass Not my main point but yeah I suppose you could say that.
0 likes@O K r/iamabadass
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence God and Saint Nick are not even remotely comparable but go off
0 likes@Amira Not remotely comparable? Both are imaginary figures introduced to kids at a young age to help them develop. Saint Nick was created to motivate kids to behave meanwhile god/jesus/the bible were all made up to tell kids how to behave. Far as I can tell the only difference is that people eventually become smart enough to stop believing in Saint Nick, but few are smart enough to stop believing in god. Guess that's what people mean when they say everyone still has a bit of child still in them.
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence Jesus and Saint Nick are real historical figures who existed. Guess someone doesn’t know their history. Jesus is the most written about and studied figure in history. Maybe if you would actually do your research and stop listening to modern society which is evidently corrupt and trying to follow trends, you would find out the truth yourself
1 like@Everything13ish more like r/iamautistic
0 likes@Harold what is there to believe or not to believe about my claims? The only thing might be that benching part, but who cares about that? It's also not a big deal because there's plenty of people who bench 255lbs for reps like it's nothing. It doesn't matter and nobody cares anyways. It was just my response to some totally-not-a-nerd calling me a nerd.
1 like@O K Everything13ish, Frederick Douglas and Jamoses are just a few people to name who seem to care about what you say. I’m not saying you don’t bench 255lbs, I’m saying I don’t believe you do. Even if you did, noone would care. You can be a nerd and still be built like a truck.
0 likes@Amira Oh wise one, how does one seek the truth? Oh by reading the Bible? What other fairytales must I believe in to not be so "corrupt"?
0 likesYeah I know they both existed, but the stories of Jesus were all made up, and Saint Nick of yesterday is different from Saint Nick of today.
So you've given me some advise, I'll return the favor by suggesting you read science books instead of fairytales like the Bible. You really would learn a lot of truth about how the world works.
@Harold you've never used reddit huh? Reddit.com/r/iamverybadass is where you post photos and videos of people who think they're bad ass and aren't
1 like@Harold well, let us define the word that is "nerd". I think it can mean many things but I think a nerd is a person who obsesses over comics, movies, games and anime and stuff of that nature to the point that it's ridiculous and pathetic. In the context of this comment section, it seems as nerd means a person who doesn't like drinking and getting high and is somewhat of an asshole about it.
0 likesI don't think I truly did anything nerdy. But I am interested in classical literature and other great books that bear an actual meaning behind them.
@where is sauce? Chris Watts
0 likes@TheGalonator the guy who said he’s low key and kind is named Chris Watts. He murdered his wife who was pregnant and their two daughters. He’s now trying to appeal.
0 likes@Harold I have to say you make a convincing argument but I'm not naive enough to assume that anybody here is naive enough to believe that I bench so much. Be that as it may, I'm now actually slightly afraid that I fit the official definition of nerd for some reason.
0 likes@Keira ohhh I thought it was the guy who was freaking out. So hes good right?
0 likes@O K Yeah? Don’t dwell on it. Nothing truly wrong with being studious or lacking social skills, even though you may want to improve on your social skills. But if you’re foolish or contemptible, you can change that. Just learn to take insults if you’re gonna deliver them.
1 like@O K O K
0 likes@TheGalonator yeah he’s innocent
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence Let me rudely interrupt with my two cents.
0 likesLearning science is essential to understanding the reality of our world, but religion is also essential to a properly functioning society. Religion sets the standard for morality and has for thousands of years. Atheist often claim they lead moral lives (and they do, many do not), yet when asked to define morality their definitions are basically religious teachings.
Ever wonder why civilizations throughout history have always included a religion of one form or another? It's because any attempt by a people to form a society void of religion has failed and been lost to time.
lmaooo
0 likes@Joe E and btw your reasoning on why there never was any society without religion is kinda stupid as well since never before we had that much information about our existence, that's why less and less people believe in god, science whether you like it or not goes against pretty much everything religious people have been claiming...
0 likes@Simon Delaveau Did you delete a comment? Anyway, I love science and I don't pay much attention to any religion. However, I do recognize the need for it.
0 likesYou seem hostile to the idea of religion, care to explain your moral code and examine it's similarity to religious teachings?
@O K Avoiding parties as a rule is not conservative. There are many types of parties, most of which aren't degenerate at all. Social cohesion and community are pillars of conservative thinking, parties are literally inevitable if those are among your priorities.
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence you originally have written Santa right? Well Santa for sure is made up and I think every non child knows that but saint Nikolaus did exist and I don’t even know how they’re literally made into one person right now like what Santa is made up by Coca Cola the only thing is that Coca Cola and basically everyone made Santa have similar qualities as Nikolaus but that’s it. So yeah what you originally said made sense but what you’re saying know referring to Santa as Nikolaus is wrong so just don’t get these two messed up okay
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence Actually I think you're just being overly combative and rude 🙃
0 likes@Simon Delaveau No worries, I wasn't trying to define any one person, just my thoughts on why religion exists. I think humans, on a certain level, need a higher power to keep their base emotions in check. In a nutshell, moral behaviour allows humans to live together. Immoral and amoral behavior causes the breakdown of society. In my opinion, religion is needed as a guide for how people should treat each other. Not saying it's perfect, but it's what thousands of years of human evolution has come up with.
0 likes@Joe E Yeah it still astonishes me to this day how religion sets the morals even though it's the cause of many wars. I don't follow religious morals, I just follow common fucking sense, the best kind of morals.
0 likes@Laura B Well you haven't spent much time on the internet then.
0 likes@Bronco Belligerence For sure, many wars have been waged in the name of one God or another, no doubt. But what you call common sense (I'll assume things like stealing is bad, sharing is good) is not common at all. It must be taught and exercised, religion is what people have come up with to do this. Would you rather live in a community which tries to realize their religious values (do not steal, kill, fuck your buddy's wife) or one void of thoughts on morality?
0 likes@pitrson ' jok
0 likes@Keira what? Are you talking about the tall black dude that pretended to be a short white dude? So did the tall black dude pretend to be a short white dude then after committing the crime take off his tall black guy costume to reveal a tall white guy then kill his wife but got caught before he could put on his short Chinese woman disguise?
0 likes@Joe E I agree with you completely and I know my moral values are deeply christians, even tho I'm atheist. But I've known too many bad religious people to think this is a perfect way to make people behave. I think Islamic terrorists and pedophile priests are the best exemple, since they are supposed to be very highly religious but they dont apply a very lawful moral code. I'm not even talking about wars, bc I think God was just a justification, money was always the real reason. And I still think it's the real problem.
1 like@phoenixash Delfuego the tall black dude is innocent and sweet as hell.
1 like@Keira my mistake, but it would have been the ultimate twist to the story.
0 likes@phoenixash Delfuego lmao ur right ab that and it’s all good
1 like@Keira Two comments! O.k understandable clarification is always a good move.
1 likeYep the black dude was sweet as hell and I had that documentary about Chris Watts lined up to watch but fell asleep so I'll watch it now. Your initial "lmaoooo" was my original intention but it's really easy to confuse intention in a comment so I will gracefully forgive you for thinking I was coming at you sideways because I didn't understand your comment (although I guess you could argue that I was coming at you side ways for comedic value). A prime example of intention and meaning being lost is your "he slaughtered his family look it up lol" line, now I'm thinking did this person just tell me to look up a man that slaughtered his family because they had "lol" (lots of laughs)?.........and could this person be an extremely sick person that needs help?........or was there another reason for their sudden bout of laughter? or are they a bot?.......anything is possible......anyway I'm going back to watching that documentary you suggested, thanks and I look forward to the lots of laughs. 🤪😁
I should have put a comma after understandable.
0 likes@phoenixash Delfuego I appreciate your sarcasm. I obviously didn’t add “lol” Bc I think what he did was comedic. More of a defense mechanism. Which I assume you already knew. I do apologize for being so confusing and rude...so thanks for forgiving me LOL :)
0 likes@Keira I wrote that long comment before I got your all good comment.
1 like@phoenixash Delfuego either way you have a good personality on you
1 like@Keira our comments are on a time delay. Thank you, I would also like to say I appreciate you appreciating my sarcasm........have a lovely day.....that was genuine and heart felt (that wasn't sarcasm)...........now everything sounds sarcastic (it's not suppose to be).
0 likesI almost flipped a table when the guy said "thank you" to the detective lying to him about evidence and locking him up, then I heard he got out in 3 days with $46,000 for his troubles. Hell, I'd say thank you too! 😅
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I know. This makes me so happy to see. That guy was such a stand up person, and is now sitting on a decent chunk of change. Thank God the cops were demoted and suspended.
20 likesBut the white guy gets 2 years
4 likesWait what? I need to start interrogating by police officers and getting wrongfully convicted
0 likesBeen in this position. Just did 9 years for a crime I didnt commit. Police refused to talk to any one of my 4 alibis, suspect was described as 5'9 with brown eyes and no tattoos, I'm 6'5 with tattoos. A gun was never recovered even after I cooperated with the police to search my place. There was a picture that didnt match my face. But all they need is a witness pointing you out. $30k in appeals doesnt help unless the appeals court finds a problem with court procedure. I had facial recognition expert and alibi testimony ready to go back into court but it never happened. You basically are guilty until proven innocent and even then that doesn't work. All the court needs is 12 idiots who dont want to be there in the first place to believe an eyewitness
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damn man, im sorry to hear about that. how've you been holding up after all this shit happened to you?
196 likesThat is horrible!
46 likesCant you sue the fuck out of them if proven innocent? Also exonerated?
123 likesi hope youre doing ok! you didnt deserve any of that.
31 likesim sorry man, i hope youre doing well now!
14 likesMan every time I think I got it bad I come across a story like this. Praying for you man. Glad you’re home..
37 likesIm sorry for your misfortune, I hope justice prevails and they get what they deserve for their negligence
12 likesSorry bro. You must spread your story 🙏🏻
12 likesEyewitness Testimonies are so immensely unreliable now that anyone actually competent at their job won't use them as the core of their accusation. I can't believe that this kind of shit still happens. I hope you were able to recover from this grave offense - these people are meant to find the actual perpetrator(s), not get rid of the case asap.
48 likesI would sue the ever living shit for emotional damages for everything you have gone through. That is such bullshit.
18 likesWell seeing as they destroyed nine years of your life under the circumstances that you were wrongfully convigted, you should sue them, even if they were "nice" or not, sue them. You might not be about money and what not, however, that's nine years. All gone. All because they just wanted to do the job "quick".
25 likesIt's kinda sad you are making up a story that actually happens to people for clout.
8 likesthere are many advocacy group or even well known law firm specialized in wrongly accused crime, reach out for them, you'll be a millionaire
0 likes@Spider It could be absolutely true. Who are you to say that it didn’t. 🙄
9 likes@FlatRangeOperator not really. They might give you some money or some shit like that but your life is ruined at that point
0 likesSounds like Steven Avery all over again.
0 likes@Spider Where's your proof? You're assuming.
4 likesWow. That is terrible 😑
0 likes@Tom As i just noticed that. Quite morose.
0 likesThis doesn't help you but sorry dude
0 likeslies
0 likesFind those 12 people and get your times worth I say...
1 likeLawsuit seems like a good path to go down
1 likeYou totally did it.
0 likesSounds like you had a lousy lawyer - also did you get a jury trial. I think it would be hard for at least one of twelve people to ignore the facts. You gotta focus all your energy on that one witness who claimed they saw you? Did he get leniency? Did they do a fair line up?
0 likesAnd this is why my country does not use a joury of random people but judges.
3 likesThat's super fucked, I'd be so pissed and down about this, Jesus.
0 likesHope you're doing a lot better now man, the justice system is so flawed.
I hope your doing good mentally as well as with covid at the moment brother, im sorry you were let down
0 likesHoly shit I'm sorry man
0 likesYou should also sue your lawyer. Didn't seem like they worked hard enough for you
1 likeI'm terribly sorry. Being falsely accused of a crime is one of my worst fears. I hope healing and happiness comes your way. I'm very sorry.
2 likes@Tom As you don't even know the crime they where convicted of. Also, it's art, a drawing. Not a real dead body. Even though it is grotesque to look at, yeesh.
0 likesI would recommend you to find the media and expose your story to the public. That’s the only way for the authority to take you seriously.
1 likeI’m so sorry to hear this. Makes me angry. So sorry for this, man. That is so wrong and so not fair
0 likesI'm so sorry. You should get a bilion dollars for everything that you've been through.
0 likesI don't even know why they trust eye witnesses so often. Most of the time they're wrong asf and I feel like most if them feel pressured to pick someone from the lineup as if they have to
1 likeThis is my biggest fear, serving time for something I didn’t do. And also the fact that the person who did whatever it is gets to live their stupid life...I’m so sorry this happened to you, and I wish there was a way to give you back what was stolen from you.
3 likesGlad you’re home my guy!!! The law is trash
0 likesYou and 99% of every other inmate in prison. Lol. GTFO here! I don't buy your story at all.
3 likesSounds like american court system is garbage. I wouldnt know im from germany
1 likeI believe you.
0 likes@FlatRangeOperator yeah try suing a huge subsection of the government, especially when a lot of the best lawyers in the world have prison money in their pockets
2 likesMan that is just horrible, I mean wicked bad! The only thing worse that I could imagine other than falsely convicted of murder or sex crimes is being assaulted by the cops and then convicted of the crimes they committed against you. Hope you're all right now.
1 like@Tom As no it looks like a fake from Madame Tussaud's. He probably posted it as a metaphor for what they did to his life.
0 likes@Apophis40K in the US a jury trial is always better than a bench trial (single judge). Conviction rates are always higher in a bench trial because the judge is frequently biased in favor of the cops
1 like@That1Snowyguy or worse they get suborned by the cops
0 likes@Alyssa Louard Understandably, but 9 years taken away have no compensation, really :(
0 likes@Edward Miessner you missunderstand we have jury just that they are mad out of judges (to rule out cheap manipulative tacticts) but yeah the US has quiet the problem with police biece, brutality and so on which is close to a non issue here.
0 likes@Tom As That's what jail does to you... It changes you. At least that's what I've heard. It doesn't mean he did it. What would he gain from sharing his story anonymously and saying he's innocent? He's already been in jail so it's not like it will help him in any way.
1 likeYou don't know him or the case, you can't make assumptions whether he did it or not, based on his profile picture (which is probably a result of trauma that he experienced in jail).
If this guy was given $46K (!!!) in punitive damages, for 3.5 days in jail...... I'd love to hear that you're pursuing a lawsuit for your 9 years.
0 likesThat's fucked up man. I'm glad you got out. Best of luck with rebuilding your life.
1 likeFunny thing is by putting away innocent people they create a possibility for a new criminal. I’d go on a murder spree against those that put me away if that were me. Hope you’re doing well
1 likeYour pfp kinda sus
1 likeCant you sue now?
0 likesDude I would absolutely sue the Heck of every single one of them involved and with no mercy wtf 9 Years knowing ur totally innocent and with Witness and more and even u did the mistake to cooperated with them and still they didn't want to look at ur case fuk that I would Absolutely sue the heck of them in every single posible way that could exist in this world
0 likes@FlatRangeOperator wrongful convictions podcasts can answer that. Check it out. Recommend
0 likesmy brother had the same but less time about 6 months for armed robbery even tho at the time it happed he was at my grandma's house
0 likesHope you got some good stash of money for the lost lifetime...
0 likesufff... wish you all the best
0 likesNice fake story bro
1 like@Zae Where's your proof that what they said was true? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
1 likeWow...if ya don’t mind me asking how’d you get out?
0 likessue the SOBs
0 likessorry deeply man justuce system is a joke unbelievable
0 likesThat's awful. I'm sorry to hear that.
0 likesAs former police officer here is my advice : " Am I allowed to leave? No? Then I want an attorney and do not wish to make any statements at this time".
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God Bless
12 likesTom seguras bit on the first 48 kinda covers this a little... Dude's fuckin hilarious
10 likes@Probably_tryna_ sleep Thanks for that! Freakin hilarious.
4 likesamen! i dont understand why they are even talking! as soon as the officer said "its not a matter of if but why" i would of stfu and lawyered up!
1 likeWhen you choose not to speak unless you have an attorney - from what I’ve seen in these videos- the guys just keep asking questions and never seem to respect wanting an attorney 😂😂
7 likes👌🏾
1 like@Lets Get it In Canada you don't have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. You have the right to talk to one on the phone but that's it. You can refuse to talk though.
1 likeAlways the goods are former
0 likesShame on the police detective. Shame on him. LIAR. LIAR.
0 likesIn America he would have gone to prison for years and the cops would have been promoted.
0 likes"So you don't have any concrete evidence that you are innocent?"
228 likeslol is that how this works now?
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In a coppers wet dream, yeah
19 likesBill cosby
0 likes“All evidence points to you it doesn’t matter what you think” bro could’ve asked the bus driver right there and would’ve saved his detective career
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I swear thats whats I was thinking to.
4 likesThe detective didn't know to ask the bus driver because he didn't even ask if there was someone to talk to.
9 likesIgnored the call for the police saying it was a short white man and not a tall black dude. Sucked in copper
4 likesI feel so bad for these people. Trying their best to protect themselves but noone listens, and they get locked away by random choice.
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wat?
0 likes@Yuri Guiguer What are you wating about?
1 likeThis comment makes no sense.. did we watch the same video?
0 likes@Yuri Guiguer I guess, how does it not make sense?
1 like@Squidward what does locked away by random choice means? And who got locked up? Also The cops were listening to every single word they were saying.
0 likes@Yuri Guiguer
0 likesWhat does locked away by random choice means? - They was at the wrong place at the wrong time, out of their control, random.
And who got locked up? - I'm pretty sure they said the guy in the thumbnail was locked up for 2 years
Also the cops were listening to every single word they were saying. - One of them was trying to say that it wasn't him, but the interigator was saying "I don't want to hear that you didn't do it. Tell me why."
Hope that helps.
@KD MEDIA brain fart
0 likes@Squidward I can understand the meaning, but grammatically it makes no sense. Not sure if it was poor writing or if it's just English grammar. If I would translate it to my native language, this phrase would have no meaning. Have a good one! Cheers
0 likes@Yuri Guiguer Oh getting locked up?
0 likesbro this is just racial profiling tf
1 likeI read the title as "Gay until proven innocent". That's why I clicked lmao
0 likesIf I was being interrogated and the cop said “We have your DNA at the crime scene and we have you on camera.” I would simply say “So you wouldn’t mind showing me the evidence, right?”
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Investigator “No.”
62 likesThe only word that should come out of your mouth is "lawyer"!
199 likes@Guy Fogel. Very true. Especially when the investigators are assholes. They will try to twist and turn anything you say.
124 likesDid they show you the "evidence"?
8 likes@Daggerman105 - "Then before we proceed any further I'm going to need to contact a lawyer so their office can get the paperwork rolling to review the imaginary evidence you clearly do not have.
41 likesWhile I'm on the phone to my attorney feel free to get the closest thing you have to a competent coworker to start checking my iron clad alibi.
Rest assured though by this time tomorrow we will have the undeniable evidence to show that you are either incompetent, or a liar."
@Guy Fogel How does it work? You can immediately get a new lawyer presented to you? How much do you need to pay later? How long until that expires and you get arrested for not paying, in which you get another lawyer, just kidding. xDD
4 likes@Epsilon Adept In most countries if you're being arrested and you can't hire your own lawyer you can get a government paid public defender to help you not to say something stupid in your investigation, and if they decide to press charges the public defender will defend you in court.
10 likesListen Officer, you’re making a serious career altering mistake. Before that happens I strongly encourage you to check my alibis and the evidence. I’m trying to do you a favor here, don’t be to proud to accept it. If I’m wrong you can always get a warrant. I don’t want to have to sue the city.
6 likesYou all acting tough on the internet and that's fine, but I sincerely hope you won't do that should you ever get arrested. From the moment you're in cuffs you say NOTHING until you see a lawyer, The only exception being to ask them where is your lawyer. Don't argue with the investigators, they do it professionally and they'll be able to twist anything you say in order to incriminate you.
16 likes“Why are you here then? Why do you need me to confess?”
10 likes@Aldo Hernandez Exactly. If he has him on video and he's clearly guilty what is the reason for talking? "I'm not saying another word until I am represented by an attorney, and that's final." Then shut your mouth, easier said than done though..
4 likesDon't talk to the police if they're trying to charge you with a serious crime. Only talk to a lawyer.
3 likes@Gwynbleidd That's what I've been trying to say. During an investigation don't be right, be smart. Don't say a word except "lawyer", and ESPECIALLY don't say any of the paragraphs written in this thread detailing how you're innocent and the police are dumb.
4 likesTalk to the police you'll be fine 😉
0 likes@Gustavo de Anapolis I have 600 pairs of shoes, they going to have trouble pinning that one down. Maybe my boots, not my shoes.
0 likes@Gustavo de Anapolis Big difference between actually being guilty and falling for a trap and actually being innocent and having evidence fabricated. They didn't need a picture of his shoes to fabricate evidence they needed a picture of his shoe to complete evidence.
0 likesIf the guy was innocent then "Oh material from his shoes was found at the crime scene" is a flimsy way of putting somebody at a crime scene, seeing as how I have 4 duplicate pairs of shoes and most if not ALL my shoes are made from the same material. If I have 4 pairs of the same shoe, who's to say 4 different people don't have a single pair of the same shoe?
@Gustavo de Anapolis amazing what us police is allowed to do. Really fucked up, if thats true
0 likesEven as an introvert myself, I do not believe I could be as calm as this guy being blatantly lied to in front of his own eyes. I’d end up flipping out.
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@Biscuffer im an introvert and yes this is true for me, I can take alot of shit but if I break I break completely.
5 likesIntroverts attempt to rationalize their way out of situations. This is what he is doing throughout the video.
3 likesWhere the introvert flips 180 degrees is when they rationalize there is blatant and purposeful mischief being portrayed against them. He felt the investigator was simply doing his job, even though he was wrong, and wasn't purposely being mischievous. If he would have known the suspect's description was a short white guy he probably would have seen the investigator as being purposely mischievous...
can confirm
0 likesnot easy
not easy at all
I'm guessing he had the belief that because of his innocence there was no way he would be jailed. People that never had any interactions with 'justice' are often led to believe by the state itself that the court will make it so that you are innocent until proven guilty. In reality PEOPLE that make BIG mistakes are behind this system.
1 likeWow … wow. …. Wow…. Insane
0 likesDemoted? Why not fired? How incompetent must a police officer be to lose his job?
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I dunno man I've heard of officers shooting people and still not getting fired
43 likesSomething called "qualified immunity"
11 likes@ParaFaust wym heard of theirs so much proof it’s a known fact 😂
0 likesOne cop literally killed a kid who held his hands up in the air after being scared and trying to run away. People defend the guy saying it was a stressful situation and even say he should get a vacation.
0 likes"The interrogating officer and three other investigators were all demoted and suspended without pay"
106 likesThat was satisfying to hear.
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Thats how you know that wasnt in the states
12 likes@Johnny De Leon Depends on WHICH state, obviously...
0 likesalso depends on which county as well..
for that matter, depends on what town/city you're talking about...
Now you brought it up, how your local police behave was totally your own fault because YOU elected the Sheriff/Mayor/City Councilmen and weren't paying attention to who you were voting for!
Yes it was. It was also nice to see that Michael took the law enforcement agency (or city) to court and was awarded damages.
0 likesImagine feeling so helpless KNOWING you hadn’t done it and that you were probably going to jail for something you didn’t do?
48 likesThis shit happens way too often. Our justice system needs an overhaul. So many innocent people sitting in jail. Travesty. This literally could happen to any of us.
That's $950 dollars an hour... not bad. Sign me up.
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