No One's Ever Really Gone...

I feel like Cozy Glow, Tirek and Chrysalis can reform. We already saw them say that helping others wasn't so bad in Frenemies, Chrysalis even admitting it had to do with the magic of friendship. And that was on their own. Imagine what could happen if the Elements of Harmony helped them learn friendship. The only question is how long would it take? Cause you're right, their hatred and anger could snowball, making it much harder, but then again, Discord was trapped for 1000 years and he reformed.

Hot take: Because Discord is more powerful than the Mean Three that is how he was able to break out of the stone over time

It's obvious that Discord had at least met Grogar at least once, or knows a fair bit about him. Since Discord turned into Grogar, and knows what he looks like enough for others to somewhat recognize him, and that accurate transformation might hint that Discord has some association with the old goat.

Imagine a dark timeline where Twilight's friends pass, and she is so lonely that she releases the trio to try and reform them, herself.

Here's a theory. Since Discord has chaos magic and can bend the rules of reality because of it, his magic made the statue permanent. In reality, nothing lasts forever (like the spell which turned Disord into stone) but Discord can bend reality and the laws of physics.

I'd say MLP missed a HUGE opertunity of having Cozy Glow, Crysalis and Tirek as Twighlights top students learning about friendship and maybe questioning if they made the right desition

the human world is literally equestria's trash can

It took discord a Thousand years to break free. I'm sure we've got plenty of time before they break free too

I can point out multiple things wrong with this
1: The Elements of Harmony were never Directly used on any of the Stoned Villains
2: Discord canonically should be able to overpower the three of them in their stronger forms so their base forms would be like eating cake so the stone trick very well can be permanent as long as Discord doesn’t die and he’s immortal so that’s out of the picture
3: If the sisters used the elements on Tirek Crysalis and Cozy Glow they wouldn’t break out for several times longer than Discord should they break out at all cause Discord is stronger so the same scenario in any of their three cases they’d be nothing short of screwed

I don’t watch MLP, but hearing the ending of this theory actually creeped me a little.

discord manipulated a child and gave them the location of a dangerous artifact that they would have never known about if it wasn't for him. only to play the victim when thing's didn't go as planned. he probably secretly helped cozy glow be penpals with tirek, we know discord is the lord of chaos. he can shapeshift and manipulate others with ease among other abilities, he probably put it in her head that friendship was power. that is what it would seem like to a child. every battle they fought they won because of their friendship, which can easily be seen that way through a child's eyes. they could have been banished through the portal, there are freaking age spells they could have used. so many different ways they could have punished them. but discord suggested turning them into stone to keep cozy glow quiet and out of the way. discord was able to stay sane inside the statue because of his magic. cozy glow has none, she will be trapped in cold darkness unable to move or do anything, only hearing faint voices out of her stony prison soon to be forgotten only seen as a statue in a park. she will go slowly go insane and after awhile the voice inside her head will end up going quiet and she will most likely die. a show has never made me so mad in my life, outright child abuse. not to mention the tiny cage they put her in the first time which clearly had no bathroom.

Oh. Dear. God.

Now that just makes sense.
I hope we get to see these villains escape from their stone prison.

I imagine a young pony will always come to the statue and just talk with them. Then encased in stone, their hearts learnt to care for the pony until its death

I wonder if Cozy Glow will be a grown mare when the spell wears off or if she'll still be a filly because of the stone, since it's practically pressuring her whole body.

I would definitely love to see a take on how Chrysalis and Tirek must have felt really lonely over the years since Chrysalis lost her kingdom and Tirek’s brother Scorpan got him sent to tartarus

“It should come out roughly in season 10!”





Grogar was never seen again

Wait a minute. I just realized something! Could Cozy Glow age while being trapped in stone?

Theory: when Luna came back from the moon her hair started to to the flowy thing and when celestia used the elements her hair started flowing so IN THE FUTURE Twilight DID fight grogar and that’s why her hair does the wavy thing in the future!!




Sawtooth/brony notion Please notice this!!!

“Kinda like how Star Swirl banished the sirens to another realm”

What if Grogar was Hitler 😱

Season 9 is the last season ever it’s so sad my whole child hood will be gone ya I know NoTHInG iS EVeR GOnE

4:32 Well, not really. Both times Discord wasn't putting up any sort of defense. If he had really tried to defend himself, he probably wouldn't have been encased in stone, or at least it wouldn't have been so quick and easy. The Elements might need to be used a couple of times, first to weaken Discord, then to turn him to stone, but I'll leave speculation up to you. The point is, Discord may be just as strong as the Elements, if not stronger.

I would enjoy seeing the real Grogar in the MLP universe.🤩

i think Cozy Glow, Tirek and Chrysalis can reform. bc we saw them say that helping others wasn't so bad in Frenemies, Chrysalis even admitting it had to do with the magic of friendship.but she was the first one to disagree

Thanks for sharing another interesting video with us! The concept of Grogar being banished to another realm or to Limbo is interesting and reminds me of his G1 counterpart's fate. One idea your theory inspired is the possibility that Grogar could have cast himself into the far future to escape punishment similar to what Sombra did with the Crystal Empire, which reminds me a bit of Samurai Jack now that I think about it. This would allow him to resurface in a world that was unprepared for his return because they thought he was gone. I wonder if Sombra's curse banished the Crystal Empire to Limbo seeing how time seems to have frozen for the inhabitants. I also wonder if Sombra cast the curse so that the empire would return when he did. Magic in the MLP world has so many applications…
I find it odd that Discord suggested turning the villain trio into stone. Even if he was awake as a statue only because he was so powerful, you'd think he—and anyone else—would be against something that cruel. Then again, Discord brought up that he could hear as a statue without anyone batting an eye. Maybe the creative team was trying to avoid drawing too much attention to such a dark fact, but this has the unfortunate effect of making it look like no one cares. ^_^;

I figured something out. Your theory on how the mean 3 came back in the middle of the time skip checks out. We can see this during the time skip with the glass art. After Flurry heart becomes the next protector of the crystal heart, there is a certain glass art just after showing the main 6 as the elements of harmony... defeating them?

For starters, the Student 6 will likely be the next to defeat our foes. But maybe they won’t defeat them by locking them away or anything. Maybe they REFORM THEM. Show them that diversity and friendship will truly make you happier. In my opinion, these 6 characters would be the ideal choice for this. They’re already diverse and we know they have defeated foes before based on the window in the canterlot throne room in the final episode! Whose to say that chrysalis won’t succeed Thorax? We don’t know the life span of changelings, but Chrysalis probably lived for a very long time before we see her ruling, so maybe they’ll even rule together (obviously not as a couple since thorax is her son.) so, yes. They will come back. But I think the S6 will reform them. Maybe even Cozy will start teaching at the school (I also think that starlight glimmer goes on to be the princess of forgiveness, meaning she could still be running the school)

Spell, that was cast by sisters and elements of harmony might've been weaker because it was elements of harmony. As we saw in the show, tree of harmony is alive and has its own mind, which probably mean that elements as part of tree could've cast the spell that wasn't fully powered. It's harmony and friendship after all, tree can't let someone stay prisoner into stone.

Discord was frozen for about a thousand years, and yet he wasn't particularly vengeful, although he is the lord of chaos, so he probably has a much different view on things.

2:54, no, the lesson is that he literally was right, that final battle prepared Twilight for anything, and Celestia never could have had that moment where she was so proud of Twilight without Discord bringing the villains together.

"Did he really learn his lesson, or was the lesson that he could get away with it?"
That sentence is the most accurate representation of Discord to ever come out of anything MLP

Thinking about it now that g5 still has the law of g4 They could all return I don’t think the 3 cosy glow, tirek and chrysalis will return because there were so prominent in g4 and would feel like there out of ideas. But it’s still possible.

Although I think grogar has a higher chance due to original grogar not being heavily in g4 and us only being give minimal info on grogar. So I think for the og grogar he could be play a big role in g5 or at least have some talk of him in g5

Discord was able to escape from his stone prison because, when he escaped, the royal princesses were "No longer connected to the elements" thus weakening the spell. but we see in the scene of the defeat of the legion of doom that discord himself turned them to stone, not the princesses. we can see that the the princesses magic only destroyed the cupcake, and the lightning from discord was what turned them to stone. If discord was only freed from stone because the princesses were no longer connected to the elements, I theorize that the Legion of Doom Wouldn't be freed unless discord was killed, and/or was somehow disconnected from his chaos magic, since that's what turned the Legion of Doom to stone. Just a theory, could be very very wrong. just wanted to share my thoughts. thanks for reading.

I personally imagine that the Young 6 took over the Mane 6's roles— probably with their own "Treehouse of Harmony," like you talked about in that one theory video— so if/when the Mean 3 came back, I think it was the Young 6 who had to deal with them. If it was as early as the hypothetical "season 10," it might've even been their big debut villain fight!

Finally- I’ve been theorizing how all villains came back so this is super pleasing to watch

Man, the nostalgia... the show ended and I'm back where I started, rewatching all the videos of the first brony youtuber I've ever watched. Thanks for all the memories. :)

the only reason that discord was able to come back was because there was chaos that powered him. The other three might not come back because two of them firstly steal other pony's magic n are not strong enough on their own and the queen is powered by feeding of of love. Since the changlings have been reformed there is no one that could really bring them back except the mane 6

When Tirek, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow turned to stone at the end of the series I always imagined that they were sent to tartarus and put into a cage that just barely fit the three of them inside, and if the spell ever wore off then they would be extremely uncomfortably cramped inside, constantlly shoving eachother around and bickering for eachother to move or get out of eachothers way, which would probablly a worse punishment to them than just being turned to stone in my opinion.

I've been reading PJO for a while now and I have just recognized some references in MLP from Mythology.

So,... I just wanna say, what if Grogar stopped existing?
Just like Briares' species, they stopped existing. Along with Helios and Selene who passed their roles to Apollo and Artemis, then faded/stopped existing. (Meaning, they're dead for good.)

I mean, literally Tartarus and those three-headed dogs? They're originally from those wonderful Greek Mythology.

Also, some other person commented about Grogar being sliced to pieces... This gives me an idea.
Like the Titan(s), Kronos was sliced by the gods/his children into thousand pieces and banished him into Tartarus. So, probably he'll reform the next fifty or hundreds/thousands of years later.

Please notice me, I just talked about My Little Pony being (a little bit) similar to Percy Jackson & The Olympians.

Hey Sawtooth, didn’t you say that it was Discord’s magic that turned the Mean 3 into stone not the sisters? My theory is that Discord’s chaos magic is permanent unless he tells it to wear off. We’ve seen an example of that in past episodes; Discord’s reform, as well as every other episode involving Discord, only countered by the banishing spells of the Elements, and possibly the Princesses alone.

Actually, you mentioning the magic drain made me just realize something: how was the barrier around the bell recast?

Remember, ALL spells had failed and stopped working altogether by the third day, meaning the spells guarding Grogar's bell would have failed too, disappearing into the aether.

So... how are they fully up and running again by Frienemies?

If spells like those stopped, they wouldn't just restart again once magic was returned to Equestria.

Someone would've needed to cast them again.

The only question is... who?

if only they realize the beauty of friendship and love, they won't need to feel lonely

Luke: “No Ones Ever Really Gone”

What if in the new generation, they come back? we can obviously see in screenshots from the new gen of the old generation like it's an obvious past / history, and it wouldn't surprise me, if the book that starts in the mlp fim and ends like it did in that series, is what the new characters read in the new generation which helps spark hope in the new community that lives on past the mane six?

I expect, that unsolved answers from mlp fim will be answered in the next generation to come, if they've not been revealed in the comic books, etc short stories by the creators of fim. maybe that's where we'll meet grogar? maybe he needs to wait to where there's a time where there is no magic to rule like he wants to, and with what magic he does have, with or without his bell, he makes a slow aging spell and he's able to live for a very, VERY long time. we already know that ponies and other creatures live longer depending on the specie they are, so what if the same is true for grogar? he could live as long as alicorns, longer, or he could live as long as another specie we already know, since dragons do age for a long while before they're considered adults, and that they can grow to be really big like ember's dad, which we don't know the age of, what if grogar somehow used his bell to store a little bit of each type of magic from each and every specie known to equestria to save up and use for an aging spell so he could rule at one point or another when those creatures had little to no magic left. or like you said, there could indeed be a time between Twilights coronation and the end where they could have defeated grogar, or the young six could have, or, like Celestia, or Starswirl, Twilight could have fought grogar by herself and banished him between the generations and in that time banished herself like the old six (Starswirl and friends) turned herself into an alt dimension / plane of existance until something eventful with the new generation of the main characters to discover later on, or read about in history / myth that they find out is true.

Here’s a theory: we have seen that the elements can be use in different ways, all thought we have seen 3 ways. One of them is turning them to stone. And it can last probably for a couple of hundred years, but for discord it was 1000 years. And it wasn’t the main six who turned them into stone. They just had to turned them back to their normal form. But this time, discord turned the 3 villains into stone, but we don’t know how his spell can last for. We don’t know if the spell will last forever. We don’t know much power discord can use. Sorry if you don’t understand what I am saying, and this video was set a year ago so it’s no surprise that this theory is true.

When the villains came back, I'm sure there'd be a stronger emphasis on their origins. Like, where did Chrysallis come from? She's very pony like... so was she always a monster, or did she become one? If she did, considering she is a monster that feeds off love, it is likely after some kind of tragic love affair.
And what about Cozy Glow? What sort of background drives a young filly that bad?

This sort of theme could work as part of a greater redemption arc for the villains.


As an aside, BN, I wanted to ask if you'll be all right through the coronavirus. Several nations have already been hit very hard, and it won't be long before the rest of the world follows. Now is a good time to prepare for it.

They will come back eventually, you just proved it. Also, trapping a philly in stone is quite harsh.

I know I'm a year late but I think I know how discord,celestia's and luna's power was more powerful than the elements of harmony. He used the bell to give him power but being discord he could have given himself more power than he had before. Just a theory.

So I just came up with this, and im using theories from the past in it. :)



Grogar, Discord, Trek, and Trek's younger brother (forget his name) were all friends before Celestia and Luna came to Equestria. They were SO close, that they thought they could "rule" Equestria the same way Twilight does, with the magic of friendship. But, they went about it the WRONG way. Instead of trying to earn trust with the ponies of Equestria, they tried to force rulership. First, Discord was sent out because he was the 1nd most powerful. (Grogar hadn't had his bell.) Discord tried to force HIS rulership by playing the the Equestrian ponies like puppets. It worked, until Celestia and Luna came to make harmony. When they turned Discord into stone, he aged through that "stone prison," causing him to get more powerful when he was freed. In the time Discord was turned to stone, Grogar and his "friends" staid hidden, for fear of Celestia and Luna overtaking THEM. But, as Celestia and Luna grew older and more powerful, Groger thought sending Trek and his brother to rule them NOW would've been better then waiting antoher 100 years. Better late then never, aye? But when Trek and his brother came from the Badlands, Trek's little brother saw the Main 5 when Twilight was still in Canterlot, and realized the magic of friendship. But then Trek came to be, and Discord thought he'd start "preparing Twilight for the future." He decided to team up with Trek, to try to earn his friendship and trust in the end. BUT, when he saw Twilight giving up her magic for her friends, and THEN saving HIM after betraying her, Discord knew his idea wasn't the best. But, his chaotic spirit made him want to "prepare" them some more. So then, he cast his "sparkle cutie mark" spell to give Twilight, her friends, and the Pillars a hint on where to find the Pony of Shadows. (He also had been that shadow in the episode where Twilight and her friends are wandering the Castle of the 2 Sisters) Preparations! But then, Grogar had wandered off for more lands to conquer, thus him never returning. Equestria CANT be the only place in the world, like Africa and China here. Discord then got the "BEST IDEA EVER" to steal Grogar's bell and transform into an EVEN-MORE-POWERFUL-GROGAR. So, when Trek, Cozy Glow, and Queen Chrysalis came to Grogar's lair, Discord was thrilled to "prepare" Twilight even more. He knew Trek, Cozy, and Chrysalis would try to steal his power, so he let it happen. After being exposed, he ran off to warn Twilight, because he didn't have his magic to do anything to prevent the upcoming war. So, after being yelled at by Celestia, Liuna, and Twilight, he had another idea. He would use his past on them. He gave Celestia and Luna the idea to live-a-little before they FULLY retired, to turn the Evil Trio into a stone encasement.
(Now making up my own future for Equestria)
When the Evil Trio is released, Discord would still be living, because he's immortal. Discord and the Main 6 could easily send them back to stone. BUT, for a longer time, because Flurry Heart and Starlight Glimmer (WOULD) be Alicorns. They could send them back to a stone encasement for a FEW lifetimes, and the circle would continue, until finally the Evil Trio of Trek, Cozy Glow, and Chrysilis would learn the magic of friendship.

I have theory that might sound pretty far fetched I believe Discord and Grogar truly are the same beings and Discord just doesn’t want anyone to

know this would explain how he knew so much about Grogar’s history but I also think Discord was in some way responsible for everything in the

series (as Twilight said Discord was setting up challenges for them the whole time and he didn’t deny it) like maybe he could still use some kind of

magic while being in stone that allowed him to free Nightmare Moon and Tirek while Cerberus was away and maybe even give Chrysalis her first

plan in season 2 which inevitably caused her to be vengeful and become (in my opinion) the series main villain I also think he was able to use

magic to bring Sombra back in season 3 as well as manipulating Starlight,Sunset and Cozy Glow to become evil I also think he somehow turned

Stygian into The Pony of Shadows and Luna into Nightmare Moon as for why he would do all of this I think Discord was never ‘evil’ exactly but was

just testing rulers his cosplay as Grogar was to test Gusty the great and he himself tested Celestia and all the others were to test Twilight and

since ‘Grogar’ claimed to have created monsters I think Discord created all the monsters of the Everfree Forest and The Sirens and Windigoes

(which were all major factors in Equestria as The Sirens brought the pillars together and The Windigoes in a way helped create Equestria) like I

said pretty far fetched but I think it’s possible

I'm starting feel that the show could've had at least one more (animated) season to clear up the lore.

I think that since discord helped instead of the elements, they are trapped forever because the elements are powered and they were “hidden” which I interpret as almost put on pause they were not being used and neither was they’re power they were essentially dead but discord he doesn’t age, well he does but he doesn’t die (well from what I can remember) and neither do the princesses if I’m right, then they are trapped forever because they’re magic is passed down but it’s not gone completely right? And even if it’s gone that magic is IN TWILIGHT so they are still trapped! That’s my theory hope you give it a second thought 😉

Given G5 I'm curious if we'll actually see the 3 again or if they're truly dead. And if so and if your theory that their anger will fester for that many years....it could mean horrible times for the new main protagonists.

My favorite theory from you about Grogar was him being banished to the stars I think that’s a pretty accurate to be honest

There's something that's been on my mind for a short time, and I think you know about this. But after furry heart became a ruler with her mother and the little six defeated something like a bull looking figure. The little six have defeated a villian and maybe new threat. But after that happened, there's a glass that there happened to have a pony with sweetie belle's tail. I think the cutie mark crushaders done something together, like joining their magic together. Maybe a magic such as pegasus, unicorn, and earth pony, like what started heart's warm eve. So I decided to try and see where the 3 is in the future and they were at the school teaching. But, I didn't look into it more because of school and stuff with COVID-19, maybe you could.

Now that I watch Sawtooth's videos again Discord DID bring back Grogar! Well he didn't actually brought him back, but he essentially did.

Kinda wished they learned from the Storm King's demise ... he's legitimately the only villain who has never come back, not only because he was just the film's main villain but because his fate was the evil three's demise taken one step further: he was turned to stone, and shattered to pieces in that state.

Granted that wasn't what the ponies had planned. It was all because of circumstance and being at a bad position at the worst of times: he flung the jade at the mane six from the edge of the balcony, but Tempest lunged at him and made contact with it with him in range -- hence the turning into stone and falling to his death part.

My point is that turning the evil three to stone and just ... leaving them like that feels really negligent of them, regardless if it was Discord wanting things to come circle. They all know Discord escaped the same prison himself so why not smash that thing to pieces afterwards?

Before the show ended, I kinda thought that Cozy Glow would be redeemed and become the Young Six's friend. Every version of the Elements of Harmony friends had a redeemed friend who once tried to destroy them. The Mane Six have Starlight, the Pillars have Stygian, and the Equestria Girls have Sunset. It would jut make sense. I had this theory that after Stygian turned good, a new element came into being, the Element of Redemption (because forgiveness is a very big part of friendship). It isn't a physical element like the others, because those were made from some of each of the Pillars' magic, the Tree of Harmony had only the magic of the six. But the magic the Elements represented still existed after they were destroyed, so this new Element wouldn't have to have been a physical crystal for it's magic to be a part of Equestria. This would explain why each generation (except the Young Six, but I think that will happen with Cozy in the future) has a seventh member who was once a villain they had to defeat, and also why there were seven geodes in Equestria Girls.

Here's a theory:
Grogar was never banished. Instead, his body was destroyed and his soul was split into several pieces. Grogar does his best to find bodies to control, first worming doubt into their mind,before feeding off of their negativity, and finally being accepted as part of the pony. He is able to control the ponies more and more, and when he makes up over half the mind, the ponies transform. This would explain how Luna turned to Nightmare Moon and how Stygian turned into the Pony of Shadows. Who knows, the Changlings might have all been good, and then Grogar could have started controlling Chrysalis. Maybe Sunset Shimmer and human Twilight were slightly controlled by Grogar and then when they put on the crown/pendant Grogar seized the magic and controlled them. Starlight could have had some influence too! Wait- back to the pendant and crown. What if scraps of Grogar's soul went into objects- such as the Siren's pendants, and possibly the Elements of Disharmony! (DUN DUN DUN!) Okay, this is getting a little out of hoof with the Elements of Disharmony, but the ONE good thing about mlp being over is that no theories can be proved wrong.
Edit: I don't really mean that Grogar controled any of these ponies/creatures. It's more of a sort of influence; a whispering voice in someone's ear that urges on bad decisions. Grogar could eventaully trick/convince a pony to allow his magic to give them a powerful, evil form, like what Grogar's bell did to Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis.

It would be cruel to leave them in that state forever. Yes, they maybe villains but deep down they can still be turnt good. Discord was literally the god of chaos till he switched over. There is a definite possibility that maybe one day we will get a comic where they all have sweet redemption for their actions.

This ties into a larger theory I have, but: All generations of MLP are one timeline, with FiM being chronologically first.

Grogar was banished to the Dark Dimension. At some point, the entire City of Tambelon is also banished to the Dark Dimension. Grogar takes over the city, and then 500 years after FiM, Grogar comes back in the 1980's story 'The Return of Tambelon.'

I like all this theories it really keeps our imagination going wild but as great as they are we gotta face the facts that season 9 was really the final season which really makes me sad unless someone with alot of money keeps the mlp spirit alive and the story going

I agree with the theory that Grogar was trapped inside the bell because I heard the scream too and it sounded like it could’ve belonged to Grogar and other than Grogar being dead that was the only explanation that made sense to me.

Well, we actually don't know if Discord isn't more powerful than the elements. The key thing to point out about the times he turned to stone was; he didn't fight back. He was so overly confident in the elements not working that he decided not to use his magic. As well, we have seen that Discord is able to do things that I am quite certain the elements can't do. So Discord's power could very well be strong enough to keep the villains in stone for a very long time.

Difference between EoH and discord stone spell is that spell from EoH is more immune to the breaking from outside, but give it time and it's fall apart. But spell from discord is more breakeble from outside, but if someone break it, it won't wear of by time.

I think that Grogar is out there too. I wonder if he might be the main antagonist for the movie next year. I have him as the main villain in my big fanfic project. Speaking of which Brony Notion, I may have sent a message to you on fimfiction wondering if you could do a reading on one of my others.

Edit. No wasn't you.

As much as I wanna believe the banishment spell theory, if Grogar really came back around season 10 then I feel like Twilight would've put his defeat in stained glass in the throne room. So unless we just didn't see him, then he might be a villain in G5.

Maybe Grogar will someday truly return in a new MLP series and instead of freeing the evil trio, He'll find new allies to join with, like the cat woman Catrina, or the cloud wizard Arabus, or maybe even the witches from the volcano of gloom. Just some thoughts. And I definitely think that Discord would not try anything treacherous, like making a evil gang again, since he faced the consequences for that. And I truly believe he had a change of heart in the end of the series.

Just a theory, was Chrysalis in Tartarus? We see Cerberus leave in the twilight time travel episode, and she appears about 3 episodes later.

Well discord escaped because the magic keeping him in stone had weakened due to the new bearers of the elements plus the CMC argument on the field trip. So I think the only time they’d be able to escape is when one of the mane 6 dies and their element is no longer attached to their soul.

The only problem that Tirek, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow have been stoned is that these were shipping to Cobra Commander.

Cozy glow for me is a mystery, we don’t know anything about her because joining the school of friendship I would love to learn more about her which is why I think that MLP is not over yet. And also when you look at the last episode when twilight and spike are going through the magazine you can see that cozy glow and the other where freed from their punishment.

I honestly think Grogar may have been melded into the Shadow realm and cannot leave it. Best he can do is gentle pushes and hopefully some entity is foolish enough to pull the shadow realm into the pony one.

Though I think the Pony of Shadows is the next big problem. In the MLP: FIM series, Shadows and Darkness have always been the looming danger and there is multiple hints in that. On top of that Season 10 is being written by the person that did Nightmare Knights...

No one's ever gone
See guys He isnt dead, he just started to post regularly
He died two years ago

If they came back it would be if discord broke the spell or died, because whenever he came back when he first broke out of the stone, it was because the elements of harmony were no longer linked to the sisters Celestia and Luna, so the spell would only be broken if discord died or he lost his magic or he broke the spell on purpose or on accident

Actually, Discord only started to free when Celestia and Luna broke their magic ties to the elements and since it was their spell and not Twilight's it, it couldn't maintain power. And, even then, the stone only started to crack when he was nearby a form of disharmony when the Cutie Mark Crusaders were fighting among themselves. I think he absorbed the negative energy and broke out of a spell that was only fraying because the connection that made it was gone. So, I don't think it's fair to assume the stone spell on the three villains will fall apart like Discord's did unless Celestia and Luna, or even Discord eventually die of old age because that will be the only time their spell will begin to fray without them there. But, it's proven that alicorns age insanely slowly as proven in the show's memories, and there's no guarantee draconaques (still don't know how to spell it) age at all so that may be centuries of imprisonment before the villains come back

I can't wait to see what you do with the newest generation of the MLP series.

I think elements of harmony are stronger, but when it comes to turning into stone discord is stronger

Chrys, Cozy and tirek were such a good team with great chemistry they deserve a spin off show. Them being turned to stone seemed anticlimactic

Hey Notion, here’s a crazy thought. Remember that Arimaspi in season 5 where Rainbow & Pinkie went to Griffinstone for a friendship mission? What if Grogar became that Arimaspi when his bell was taken & his magic ran wild on him? Since he is “the father of monsters”, that he accidentally turned himself into 1 when his bell was taken?

ehh, when you said "history has proven the elements of harmony to be more powerful than discord", that reminded me of your recent theory on discord himself
it could be possible that with their balanced powers, it could have fully put a stop to the trio's evil doings, and turned them into stone
that doesnt stop me from thinking grogar is still out there tho, since i feel like if he was dead, then the bell's magic would have faded away long, long ago.

But chaos helped free Discord the first time. Plus he is more powerful then the 3. Cozy Glow definitely wouldn’t be able to escape, if they took all of Tirek’s magic, he wouldn’t be able to escape, and Chrysalis, she wouldn’t be able to escape without her hive, maybe.

I do hope that the upcoming season 10 comics will bring in the real Grogar.

Cause he’d be the first true challenge for Twilight as Equestria’s ruler.

I have a theory as to what happened to Grogar's Bell after the villains were defeat, the theory being that it's a possibility that maybe the bell was rehidden or it they could of stored it away among other magical artifact, at least that's my theory.

Yes they will come back because the spell will where off so of course that Twilight and her friends will stop them because friendships is magic and it is powerful of all magic.

makes me think about the darkness/shadows that was pulled away from stygian was pretty much alive. wonder if that will come back too.

You know, it's possible Grogar couldn't ever restore his magic. From what's I've seen, only mythical creatures in the show can utilize the magic in their bodies (i.e. unicorns, dragons, Kirin, and whatever the hell Discord is) But Grogar isn't a magical creature. He's a goat. So, it's more likely all his magic came solely from his bell which has shown a strong ability to steal and give magic. But, if Gusty stole his bell, then she likely used it to steal all the magic he had before sealing it away. Not to mention it was sealed in a barrier so strong it took a demon and a changeling to make just a tiny window to get the bell inside. With Grogar working alone, he could never have broken in and gotten his bell back ever. Which may have been his only source of magic. Without it, he likely would have recovered the magic easily, but had no way of utilizing it. So, I think it's more likely he was imprisoned (may have broken out, who knows but had no way of getting his bell back and eventually died of old age as a powerless goat

I know this is a pretty old video. But i think it would be fantastic if you linked this theory with the newest mlp lore with the artifacts twilight sparkle made. I think it could explain a lot about why the tribes separated again

Grogar, Tirek, Chrysalis, Cozy Glow. They will return soon enough. I can feel it in my horseshoes.

I’m honestly sad that the show just had to end at s9 and not a full s10 and I really wanted to see the real grogar

I’ve been thinking, if they turned a child to stone, wouldn’t that stunt their growth? I mean, that could also imply that they would die of starvation or dehydration but still. And if chrysalis’s wings are like a bugs, wouldn’t they basically break from the stone?

that can be an idea for the next movie, cozy Chrissy and tiereck come out of the stone maybe a 1000 or more years later (either through Grogar or the spell wearing off) and twilight being the only element left has to find a way to stop them without her friends.

she could find new bearers or uses her grief as a stepping stone to defeat them by herself

Or maybe even twilight dies or disappears (sorrow from losing her friends) before the 3 awaken and when they do, they find a vulnerable Equestria without an alicorn to lead it, take over and the races all have to ban together to fight these super powered villains

Or the producers would probably take the easy way out and have them reformed and help the fight against Grogar

I dont know just thought

They might have actually killed him and used his bones to build Tartarus. That would make a lot of sense for the final fate of the first and greatest of all evils that Equestria ever faced.

I think because discord could get out of his statue form is because when the CMC were fighting they kind of created chaos if u think about it.🙂

Maybe he came back during that big gap you mentioned and was defeated by Flurry Heart or the others? Like you said, we'll never know for sure unless it happens in the comics.

Maybe they should be put in room where it kept repeating how friendship is good as they can still hear (like starlight did in cutie map so they agree to join them)

Since Discord was released, one thing I think everypony has glanced over was the fact that Celestia says "Now that the Elements [of Harmony] are no longer connected with Luna and I, the spell has run out" meaning that all it really needs for The Villain Sibling Trio to be released is for Discord to either lose his magic for the 3rd time, or for Discord to stop existing entirely, and unless somepony convinced him into normalcy, I don't think that's gonna happen.

I just wish the creators of my little pony would make more so that you could have more to go off of

It's so good to see yet another video from you Brony Notion i love it, it's just what i needed after a boring day like this, and as always you make have some interesting theories and made some valid points that's what makes your theory vids so great.

The only thing that released discord was chaos (his main goal) happening near him with the cmc getting in a fight next to him so I think if a friendship ends (because the the mean threes goal was to drag ponies apart) the mean three would get released.

Quick "self-canon" comparing tirek with grogar wont help, tirek gets his power from consumption, grogar (who is way more powerfull) had his power ripped from him. without the bell, recharging that amount of power would take a long time, or like grogar said in S9E1 "I spend millennia waiting to recover" or something like that but I gues you see my point

Sorry for a long comment, I'm just spewing out theories that keep brewing:

I just wanna know where the new generation lives, like you would think they would live somewhere close by, or maybe not? Maybe they live further away because if they can't even trust other tribes, how can they trust other species? I doubt that all the unicorns and earth ponies are present in those villages, as we see a whole city full of pegasi. That leads me to believe that if the whole of each tribe ARE present, it's because some villain came to conquer equestria, and there are just more of the pegasi because they could away the easiest. I doubt it was the windigos, as they never appear in the movie throughout all the fighting. But there may have been something. What if they are living in equestria but all other species ceased to exist. I feel like that is a stretch and I hope that the tribes find old books on the unity of the species, and seek them out, only to find out that there has been ponies living together in unity since they left. Or at least the other species, and not knowing what ponies are, rediscover canterlot and everything else in between, and I don't know, FINDING THE GRAVES OF THE PRINCESSES. ARE WE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW THERE ARE ZERO GRAVES IN EQUESTRIA? Anyways, maybe they will reopen things, or everything is still running, they just never found out it existed. The only thing is, what about Twilight? The current tribes obviously know she exists, or used to. Maybe that will set them off wanting to know more about the pony who saved all their tribes.

it still bothers me what they did to the trio of villans...
Discord more than anyone,knows full well what Aware-petrification is like...it seems uncharacteristically cruel,even for him....
the only thing that would change my mind is if it was not eternal and it was actually planned that they eventually be released.

it seems very plausible that the 3 villains, with or without the help of Discord or Grogar, could be released from that stone prison, especially when you remember that all it took for Discord, was 1 moment of chaos in his presence! What's to say a moment of disharmony or arguing won't release those 3?

I do agree that the timespan between the coronation and the final moment leaves a HUGE gap of possible answers that we will never know, unless the creators does a QnA lol. So they could definitely have defeated Grogar and heck, even the 3 villains at least once more!

Ok so what I learnt in this video is that sawtooth waves found all the clues about grogar in some of the seasons or episodes and that the last clue to solve the history of grogar was in the last season

It's plausible I'll have to do my own research on the subject but I think they could get free somehow, discord's release was caused so cozy,cryisalis and tirek's freedom could be caused

I can try to argue that the element of harnony part lost connection with the spell (season 2 episode 1 )

The three villains can stay encased in stone because their final defeat serves to end their threats for good to ensure that they'II never return. I hope you understand despite theories.

I have a theory that the spell used is much diffrent from when discord was turned to stone. Because the forst time was used through the elements of harmony but the one used in season 9 is by natural magic not friendship magic so there might be a difference between the two spells.

He's right, Somewhat after twilight's coronation, Grogar Could have come back during that time. They could have fought during that timeline.

Discord in my opinion is the only smart and strong villain. This dude can break the rules of reality and bend the laws of physics and all of that chaotic stuff. If the three manage to escape, he probably would’ve gotten them just within a snap of his claws or paws. Like he’s previously quoted before, people always leave out Discord when it comes to powerful figures. Have ya seen how he fought King Sombra? He was just casually taking a walk and snapping his fingers to Sombra’s powers.
I know people will comment about Tirek and all but Discord actually knows better this time. Pretty sure he’s going to end Tirek before he even blinks.

What if while Chrysalis was free she laid some eggs somewhere in the castle so that if something went wrong, she would have someone free her somewhere down the line

The reason discord got out the first time is because the elements switched holders they actually said as much in the episode introducing discord

Heroes always get remembered but legends never die!

They Can Be Free And Go There Own Ways And Meet Again And Maybe Meet The Real Grogar This Time

The reason why discord was freed was because the elements of harmony lost there connection to the sisters of sun and moon

Its been a year... I dont think he's coming back. This was a fun video to watch tho !!🙂

If anything turning them in the stone for that one is only gonna make them Even in real life prisoners that are released from prison end up being worse in the long run and solitary confinement can make you hallucinate

I believe if Grogar is coming back he is waiting until the main six and elements of harmony. So that there will be less resistance.

To be honest if they do come back whoever embodies the elements at the time better be prepared, speaking of the elements if 3 powerful and dangerous villains can be break free it’s entirely within the realm of possibility for the elements to come back perhaps even stronger than they were originally I mean we’ve seen it happen with the Crystal Heart and all that took was a relic reconstitution spell combined with something that could make it stronger and yes I know the elements were ultimately just symbols, but who says they have to stay that way as a whole brought a lot of villains down in both worlds and who’s to say they shouldn’t have individual powers that the others don’t, and even then why not bring them back if not as just a reminder plus the tree keeping the forest in line was a nice touch so yeah there’s that, besides the elements have seen quite a lot of important events so just forgetting them isn’t exactly ideal historically speaking

the best thing about the show being over is there is no set canon in the future. So the MLP YouTuber could be canon.

Maybe when they get out of being stone, they'll make harmony with Twilight and the others and it finally gets normal again.

Honestly, I think a scenario where Grogar was sealed away, and was able to view the world. When he got his opportunity to escape, he did, laid low, and kinda, stayed. I imagine that he is just somewhere with a garden thanos style and it’s under the impression of ‘what’s the point?’ Either he stays out of trouble, or he causes trouble and gets a forceful taste of the rainbow.

Heck I could see it more as he’s just old and tired, and cranky. When he finds out about the imposter is when he gets angry, and shows up in court to complain.

I think that the huge jump between united species and the newer generation (no longer United) is a result of the three (and possibly the real Gorgor). If they worked together the chaos would be enough to divide twilight's hard work of uniting the species

I wonder what an actually good Discord would be like. I don’t think the concept of chaos is evil, the good version would be like Pinkie Pie. A helpful chaos would be developmental conflict or positive change.

I think they're going to get turned into not snowing again because the elements of harmony are powerful than discord so they're probably not gonna be trapped for that long and Kroger might have the spirit of him so he might free them

Discord was freed from stone because the elements were no longer connected to the sisters, so if the mane six didn't become the new bearers of the elements, discord never would have been freed.

I always interpreted it as Discord’s imprisonment was weakened by the passing of the elements from the two sisters to the mane six and the CMC were the final kick to free him. Meaning the spell didn’t break on its own or off of a time limit. However, we’ve seen from S8 Ep21 (I think?) that a stone sleep spell exists separately from the elements. So even in this interpretation of Discord’s release, it’s very possible that this spell would eventually come undone. ...Then again, with Discord out of the way and Nightmare Moon presumingly being released by Celestia I can’t think of any other concrete examples of banishment spells that .... huh. I can’t think of any other banishment period. I guess under these presumptions we just don’t know how long banishing spells really last for. Either way I agree and bet those three would eventually be released one way or another, because as you said, no one’s ever really gone. Just some thoughts! Love your content!

Sawtooth :history repeats itself.look closely! The pillars relics created a rift for shadow play to escape, the student 6 relics were used by cozy glow and remove magic and unknowingly to release grogar

Isn't Discord a/the spirit of Chaos? And wouldn't he get a boost in power when Chaos of any kind strikes?
Isn't the CMC fighting kinda the reason he got out the first time (the second the elements were used to free him right?)?
My point being the three aren't any sort of spirit/enbodyment of anything really just a bug, a kid and a red 'n black Man-Horse/Pony with Daddy issues...

Ya know, Maybe his magic got sealed into the bell. So, all of his magic is gone. O O F

At the end of the show they closed the book like at the beginning they opened the book which started the show so that means the show has officially ended but if their was a different ending I would say there would be new villain plus a look at where grogar went but if grogar came back if you followed the timeline he wouldn’t be in an episode until season 13

Re: The Villain 3 in stone:
I don't know if comparing Discord hearing what happened as well as breaking out is fair to use as far as those 3 are concerned. Discord's magic is on a completely different wavelength compared to those three, as seen by the fact that they couldn't control his powers when they had it (Tirek when he ate it probably just absorbed the strength of Discord's magic but couldn't figure how to use the abilities). That coupled with the fact that the three were depowered by the final rainbow laser, meaning their own abilities wouldn't be that strong anymore (save maybe Chrysalis' shapeshifting) and I would think their stay in stone has more permanence than Discord's

I just want chrysalis back. She's the only villain apart from discord that I actually liked

I think it was permanent but discord relies on chaos to live so when the cmc were creating chaos near him and I think that's how he got free however the villains could be freed but under different circumstances but now that I think of it discord said togeather forever. Saying that this will be permanent and also where was discord when cozy glow almost took over exuestria if he helped in school raze cozy would have been in Trouble big time

can we just appreciate how cute Chrysalys can be tho?
like that little trot she did in "The mean six" (is that what that episode was called? idr)

i have a theory on why i think the celestia, luna and discord spell is permanent.... when discord was first free from the statue celestia stated that her bond with the elements where gone... thus this means that the spell was no longer effective since we know that the elements only work with bond..... it is also known that alicorns and discord himself are eternal beings.... since the princesses represent a certain magic.... so i belive that crystalis, tyrek and cozy glow will be a permanent one since there are 3 parties in this spell and there are no need for a bond for this spell to work

Is everyone forgetting about the crystal ball discord used when he was disguised as Grogar. Maybe that has Grogar's soul trap in it because it was the only thing besides the bell that belongs to Grogar and it's the only thing left in his lair we all know that there are bunches of artifacts along Equestria plus the professors and council Starlight even set up a scavenger hunt with artifacts oh I almost forget to introduce myself I'm Cinnamon Cookie student at Twillight's school of magic anyways got to go it time for our field trip to end good luck against the evil Coppa and remember to keep calm and carry on and also friendship is magic!

I think that the young six might have beaten Grogar, because we know that they beat some beast, as depicted by the glass window in twilight's throne room.

The best way to defeat a villain is making them your friend

They better make a spin off of this show

5:24 that shot of the Mean Three reminded me of the body discoveries in Danganronpa🤣

Actually, Celestia said that the spell had been broken because she (and Luna) weren't connected to the elements any more, so the stone spell on cozy glow and the other villans will only break if the mane six stop being connected to the elements, which probably won't happen.

True!
Unless Princess Twilight, sent the statue to limbo.
Grogar could've been turned to stone and then smash, that's what happened to the Storm King.
Idk really....

Question do you think the show would work without the villains

no villain from MLP is never really gone cuz they dont get rid of them. and tbh they just seal them somewhere expecting them not to escape. if they want to get rid of the villain they need to kill or turn them good.

Of the three, my gut says Chryssy is the most likely to become reformed, but not without a LOT of work. Cozy Glow is a clinical sociopath that sees people as things to manipulate rather than, well, people. Listen to her Season 8 Finale monologue about Friendship = Power if you don't believe me. That is not the mindset of a normal, well-adjusted child. If you told me that she's a Self-Made Orphan I would believe you without a second's thought. Tirek is... Tirek. But Chrysalis? Given her original motivation was for the good of her Hive, even if she was wrong in the execution? That is already something for the philosophy of Harmony to be built on. And what's even better from a Doyalist standpoint is the narratively fasctinating obstacle anyone writing that story has to hurdle:

"Why should [she] have anything to do with Friendship, when it was Friendship that took everything from [her]?"

Yeah, the Season Six finale, where Chrysy was shown to be wrong in the most spectacular way possible, and had her entire hive overthrow her - after centuries of labor, toil, and sacrifice - for an otherwise unremarkable Drone that had gone AWOL. In the episode Frenemies, Chrysalis' rejection of the in-coming Friendship Epiphany was the most visceral, the most Brain Stem Depth kneejerk reaction of the three, with Cozy and Tirek being more of generic disgust.

In order for the Queen to accept Friendship, she has to deal with the trauma - however inadvertent and justified - she is apparently suffering from, and overcome it. And that I find extremely fascinating as a story concept: Twilight and her Friends having to solve a Friendship Problem when it is Friendship Itself that is the problem.

Obviously it's not something the writers were ever going to address on a kid's show. And the comics' writing has been rather notorious in how Hit-or-Miss it is. But that's what Fanfiction is for!

I have a theory: Grogar's return is what caused the magic in Equestria to go away, as we see in MLP: the fifth generation! Please make a video on this!

Actually, I believe the only reason Discord broke out is because the spell wore off. It was shown Celestia and Luna used the elements of harmony on Discord, but after defeating Nightmare moon, the elements got linked to the mane 6, so the elements weren't linked to the royal sisters which is why the spell wore off.

Maybe Grogars return is the Reasoning behind the Loss of unity and Magic in G5.

4:20
Discord was able to escape because the magic that contained him disappeared when the sisters lost their connection to the elements. As long as discord is alive and has his magic, those three will be together

The answer might be in the stained glass windows in the last episode. While twilight is walking around the throne room with luster dawn, you can see 4 new windows. One of the mane 6’s cutie marks and at the bottom cozy, chrysalis, and tirek, the next is of the student six defeating something that looks like... a hippo? Whatever. The next is of Flurry Heart, grown up doing something. The last is cut off a bit, but you can see one very recognizable pony. Sweetie Belle! I wonder if her and the other CMC will have something to do with this.

Theory alert I may have the reason Luster Dawn thought the mane six weren’t close anymore GROGAR! So maybe soon after Twilights coranation grogar returned and after the main six faced him they decided to retire for a more quiet life doing things the always wanted to Applejack running the farm maybe fluttershy expanded her sanctuary rarity grew her fashion industry and more splitting the mane six apart for a while apart from their council meetings of course 🥳

4:22
But celestial said that since the elements of harmony isn't connected to her and Luna, discord was able to get out. And by the looks of it the mane 6 is still connected to the elements of harmony so it wouldn't fade away

The princesses didn't have the elements, just discord, and Twilight could've taught Discord a permanent stone spell because the elements were destroyed by sombra. JUST A THEROY

I love that you talk about groger before he got infected after the bell 🔔 was stolen

Discord is WAY more powerful than Cozy Glow, Tirek, and chrysalis. And I am pretty sure Discord went full power on them, so he probably turned their essence to stone with backup spell power from the two princesses.

Well I think when all the villains are free from Stone I think they're going to get something to go in the future and ruin everything and then go back to the past and hide

One thing to note is that on a normal occasion the Magic of Friendship would’ve probably destroyed whatever evil artifact the villains were using but this time it only managed to turn the Bell off. Implying that Grogar’s magic could potentially be as (if not more) powerful than the Magic Of Friendship.

Well
Canonically, Grogar was sent to the shadow realm in MLP generation 1 (MLP has 4 generations including the toy comics)
And the only thing we know about that realm in the new generation is that it's impossible to get out unless someone from the normal realm opens a door to get you out

I wheezed at the “headcanon” image
5:55

Maybe this could turn 2 ways: after a long time and reflecting, they came to their ways and realized it's better to be good and stuff.. OR THEY COME BACK AND THIS TIME GET VERY CLOSE TO TAKING OVER EQUESTRIA idk

there is also the possibility that sombra will return again and this time i think that he will be reformed he was reformed in the comics so it makes no sense that he was not reformed in the tv show

It’s sad that we will never know :( because the series has come to the end

Thing is, in "Return of Harmony", Celestia flat-out says that the only reason that the spell on Discord weakened was because her and Luna weren't tied to the Elements of Harmony anymore. However, when they turned the Mean Three into stone, the sisters and Discord used their own power. So, the Elements finding new bearers wouldn't affect the statue spell because they weren't used to cast it this time. All magic vanishing from Equestria, however, probably would...

The elements of harmony might be stronger then Discord but Discord might be able to cast longer lasting spells

cozy glow, tirek and crystallise will break out of stone SOMEDAY when crystallise's back legs were already stone before crystallises whole body was they still moved 0_0
and if the main six and the royal sisters or anyone for that matter were to talk about plans there they would be able to hear it and that stone was in the stained glass window too so if discord could travel from window to window while he was stone then they can too and the first time luna turned into nightmare moon wasn't the last. grogar might just have been banished to the stars and if he couldn't escape of course he would aid at nightmare moons escape, because how did the legend know that she would only be released after 1,000 years? and I think grogar of course aided to her escape because stars don't have to do what legends say they can skip that page and never do it I think grogar aided to nightmare moons escape of course he would aid to her escape if he wasn't strong enough to leave he would defiantly send ANOTHER villain trapped where he was, he would send another villain to do the scheme's job and boy did she listen


when I got this idea I thought to myself we need to solve my little pony why do the things that happen in my little pony happen and when discord was talking about grogar her looked up to the sky for a second I think but since he started being good I suspect he wanted to look at the princess while he was talking swell that might be the case I don't mean to foil anyones ideas but I think this leads somewhere I've spent a few months thinking about this but I'll keep thinking and edit this comment and thank you so so so much if you read till the end of this comment please like if you wan't :)

Thank you thank you thank you! Your community missed you!

Maybe Grogar will return in a new generation.

Maybe they could do something similar to Steven Universe and make a sequel series slightly different though maybe it could be called the Magic in Equestria as it would be about Twilight dealing with different things and problems that came up as she was ruler.

SECRETS AIN'T KEPT TILL THEY'RE TOOK TO THE GRAVE.


Also grogar might be why magic is gone in g5

In my imaginenation, I see my self like a pony, and reforming villains with a conversation.

Here's a theory: the power of friendship is very strong what if the power of friendship changes them, that one time at the mountain they were FEELING the power of friendship but then Crysalis(if I'm spelling her name right )stopped the flow.

My theorie to the Stone freezing would be that: because Discord is kind of a god he probably cant be frozen in stone forever, also Discords magic was still with him all the time he was frozen but with Cozy,Crysalis and Grogar they only have a small amount of power left and could therefor most likely be Frozen in stone for very long periods of time, meaybe not forever but long enough for the ponies to go trough many Advances and make a better solution to when they break out of theyre stone prison.

I want the villains to win, and like you’ve said, it’s up to US, not them anymore!

My Little Pony is like a mystery....
A never ending story......

2:51 I mean, fluttershy crying was a punishment in its self haha

Actually the only reason discord escaped his prison was because of the fighting of the cutie mark crusaders being so close to him so as long as the statue of the evil 3 isn’t out in public they should stay there forever

"I always come back"

A wise man - 2019

They may come back but that will take a while because remember the episode that discord came but it was the negative energy that set him free so maybe somepony may accidentally set them free since Sombra broke the elements they won't be able to stop them the mane 6 may have already been dead and twilight could have passed the crown to someone else but it was never the elements that stopped villains it was the friendship between the mane 6 so if the friendship is strong enough it may be possible that the next generation could stop them
I know this isn't a good theory but I was bored

Oh, I just hope mlp is back. I am watching all their shows from scratch if its the last thing I do

THANKYOU FOR POINTING OUT THAT THING DISCORD SAID ABOUT BEING IN STONE!!!!!!

Well, when discord was released before that happened at the start of the video the CMC s have a " kalos " fight next to the statue, what this is telling me that yes, they can or will be unfrozen from stone but only if the magic or power they represent is happening near with another "magic being" so for them to be bring back automatically is for a magical being to represent, growth and strength, hunger and love/not love and finally for represent Cossie Glow we would need greed etc and for all all of that emotion to happen near the statue so I don't think they will be released in the series MLP friendship is magic but in the new MLP movie a new generation since it is placed in the same world and from what we know the three tribes are separated witch means if there is to be a Gillian wanting things to stay as they are I am guess he or she will seek there help

I bet tirek will have a way to escape from stone just like he escaped from tartadus

Sense it did take Discord 1000 years or so to stop being stone, I’m estimating that they will come back in Generation 5, and also Alicorns are immortal right? Does this mean Twilight or at least any alicorn from the past could still be around?

I hope Cozy comes back, she’s my favorite.

They need keep that show going before end it

That must suck because of your theory that Equastria lost 50% of its magic and the pony's can never get on the level of magic they used to. If the evil 3 were to be brought back would they still be at the magic level they were at?

Well i'd assume Cozy Glow would be useless withought the Alicorn Magic because there's nothing really pegasus can do despite run or dodge.

but Chrysalis and Tyrek are a different story, The chances of them losing there magic along with the current Equastria is probably more likely then them keeping there magic level before being turned to stone but it's still a possibility.

I think it's possible for Cozy Glow to not be a pony - she seems to power hungry for her age, and if her backstory is tragic, she wouldn't have remembered much of it, and she must at least have some relatives, right? I could be wrong but if she isn't a pony then she is a changeling that broke away from the hive and learned the nature of ponies, but got the ideas a bit twisted. However this wouldn't explain why she would team up with chrysalis, unless she finds it amusing

Correct Pat discord being a magical being of great power that quite possibly EMBODIES the exact opposite of harmony who can bend space and time obviously used all of his power to break out of the spell the mean 3 however are composed of a love deprived half insane changeling a old and weak centaur who cant even use his power and a evil CHILD pegasus who barely knows the first thing about curse breaking so yeah the logic is clear here. It is also possible that gusty the great used grogars bell to cast the protection spell and to sustain the spell which though not as powerful as the elements is active all the time unlike the elements who were basically stone balls for a thousand ears also grogars bell is more then powerful enough to do what i am suggesting.

3:24 all i need to confirm Sombra could appear sometimes in the future, such an underused villain, please bring my daddy back.

4:26 because the sister and the elements were not connected so I guess the spell went off

Let's talk about cozy glow the reason that she tried to get rid of all magic was she wanted power but I don't think it was just power she wanted I think she didn't have a lot of friends and I don't think the situation went out with the right way is I think she just wanted more friends but she saw everyone else being friends and she didn't have any so so that water her to drain all the magic in Equestria but I don't think banishing her was the right the right decision and neither was turned her to Stone I know that she's a really bad villain but maybe we just need to go out with her a different way than just turning her to Stone or banishing her

Theory! Cozy flow is flurry hearts hidden twin sister. She has the pink coat of cadence and the blue mane of shining. She is a Pegasus because cadence used to be a Pegasus. Perhaps her soul was born already dark (from chrysalis) so she was sent and flurry shown to be the only child.
Or maybe as a baby cozy was stolen by a changeling and raised by chrysalis to be evil and powerful for revenge. That’s why she became evil. I know this doesn’t really make sense but, Just a little theory.

Grogar technically is a villain from the original version of my little pony but he does also appear in the comics

Last time I was this early a Changeling Civil War was more likely than WW3

The reason the Royal sisters spell Didn’t last because they gave up to Elements of Harmony

I think for the comics, Sombra and Radiant Hope will return, remember how they left the Empire to find and restore the pieces of Amore?

I think Grogar will show up in a future series

Seeing as MLP is no longer going on, any theories about the Main 6 or other characters that would take place after the series ended is technically in a way true

Same could be true for the show, even though FIM is over ,people like you are what keep it alive long after it's gone. Thank you for staying!😊

0:19 ... what about the Storm King? he got shattered into pieces, there's no way he could return being a bunch of tiny pieces...

It's Possible That In The Time He Was Banished, He Reformed On His Own













Unlikely, But Possible

Actually Discord was able to break out from stone prison because the elements of harmony went from Celestia and Luna's control to the mane 6's control and the spell weakened overtime as from S1 to S2(as Celestia said in the "Return of harmony part 1")I don't think that it can happen to the mean 3 .

At 3:03 makes sense be cause after Discord lost his magic or trapped inside Grogar's bell he made a confession that HE reunited this 3 villian's and now have ALL the REAL Grogars magic so half of Grogars magic is still inside the bell, and at 4:22 and 5:06 so if Cozy,Tirek and Chrysallis here something that are similar to them like how Sweetie bell,Scootalo,Apple bloom said to Discord that are like " chaos,Evil, un-happines" he was realesed and someone does the same on this 3 villians then they are too, Thats my thought 🙂

Wow, crazy to think i been watching you for 6 years now. glad to see you doing regular videos :D

Once the 3 villains was turned into stone, they were back to life a few years later? So no one's ever really gone! Twilight thought if she turned the 3 villains into stone they will never recover again. So the only way to stop evil ponies from attacking equestria is to reform them.

I agree with your idea that the discord can hear everything but I don’t think Crystal is closed it’s low in theory because they were not turned from the elements of harmony into stone it was this chords magic so I think they are not gonna be able to hear anything

Do u think discord ever since friendship has gotten stronger, because in season 4 Tirek was able to drain his power, but now, none of them were able to take his power because they couldn’t use it because it was so chaotic, so maybe the spell could last a little longer then we believe

It’s true that discord broke out, but that was because the cmc was being chaotic and disagreeing and he’s the embodiment of chaos and disharmony. Since none of the other three are the embodiment or spirits of anything (that we know of) I don’t think the same could or will happen

I've got a theory for equestria girls, in the legend of everfree, gloriosa takes 7 crystals, from the Everfree Forest. Just like in friendship is magic. So, is sunset really an alternate element of magic, or a real 7th element?

You know what is gone for sure? A true and proper fanalie for Equestria girls. It hurts so badly.

Ah yes. The perfect trio. A burnt Swiss cheese butterfly, a demon centaur, and a child.

I think they could reform I saw a comment like this but it depends on if the main 6 are still there when they get out of the stone cus they’re the masters at friendship and teach it best I really think they could learn but if the main six aren’t there to help what would happen

I really wouldn't see a point to get far into it, mainly because MLP itself doesn't go too deep with lore or even "what ifs".
(probably except for the comics, but I don't read those so I'm not sure.🤷‍♂️ but from bits and pieces I've seen so far, the comics aren't afraid to get deep into anything, unlike the show.)

his theories always make absolute sense


Edit:thank you so much for all of the likes!! 😆

To everyone saying that the CMC's fight in front of Discord got him out of the stone:

That is probably not the reason considering that in 1000 years it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be no chaos absolutely. While it may not be Discord level chaos, It's still chaos. While there is a slim chance that the CMC's fight HELPED him get out it wasn't the only thing. Discord had said that he can hear and see everything that goes on around him. The chaos that he had seen and heard over 1000 years all collected up inside him helped him to get out. That chaos mixed with the limited chaos magic he can use trapped in stone helped him get out. While the little fight between the cutie mark crusaders triggered it, Discord needed more than just a couple of fillies fighting among themselves to help him get out.

I hope this made sense.

omg I am speechless I am so astounded and btw you just gave me an idea to make something :D

I want they to get back 😭

Man when I saw it was Discord that was amazing but I wonder if Grogar could be out there hiding. But in my opinion Discord is the most powerful on the mlp universe. I mean he has the power to open portals to the fourth wall.

It is rare to consider "resurrection" a necromancer's bailiwick. Yes, properly, it technically falls into that school of magic, but it's not...what one would usually call somebody whose primary feats in "necromancy" involve actually bringing people back to life, whole and as they were.

Since My Little Pony ended does that mean Equestria Girls also ended?
It Equestria Girls didn’t end there is a possibility that Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chyrisalis break out if stone and enter the human world.
Kinda like when the Storm King got defeated some of his magic ended up in the human world.

Here’s a cool theory I came up about grogar and gusty. What if gusty the great was g1 baby gusty taking on revenge for being captured by g1 grogar

In g1 baby ponies often times had the same name as there mothers (lazy hasbro in the 80s) I saw clips of g1 gusty and baby gusty. One clip from what I think was the episode g1 grogar appeared. In the episode grogar first captured unicorns because for some reason as soon as the unicorns teleported baby gusty was one of the unicorns to teleport.

Later on as I believe. Baby gusty (when she was an adult) found a portal to g4 she fell right though and saw a land in parallel. Some unicorns told her that a evil ram tyrant named grogar was running the world. gusty remembered what happened to her and how if she listened to the others Warring she could have helped the others stop grogar. So she teamed up with other unicorns to stop him and you know the rest.

Honestly they should make a new mlp series for the next generation of children to watch

I'm hoping the comics (Season 10) can expand more on the villains. Having them work together once again, and even expand on their backstories, specially Cozy Glow, she was heavily underdeveloped for such a fun and interesting villain, she deserves better

THERE IS A PROBLEM! since the main six are old, and he young six inexperienced due to the fact that there supposedly living in harmony, it could bring the end of Equestria. There would be no one to stop the villains, so the main six and Celestia, Discord and Luna literally set up the end of the world!! Which is very not smart for the princess. Also.
Since it was Discords idea, and he knows what would happen, was he setting up the aftermath on purpose? Was he trying to end the world???? Or maybe just a test?!!? What a simple one!?

They could come back in G5 (if It isn’t Pony Life) Grogar and Tyrek were originally from G3.

will that be for gen 5? seems like a possibility

We need a new season xD

Ok I have a totally unrelated question: Cozy sucked all the magic out of Equestria, right? So... Why could the pegasi fly? And how come Cutie Marks didn't disappear?

Has anyone ever thought about how overpowered the changeling race is they can take the form of anything they want they can be alicorns if they want to they can even be discord if they want or can they like I guess technically they would be able to take discords form but would they have his powers? if so would they have an alicorns power if they transformed into an alicorn would a changeling that took the form of princess Celestia have the power to raise the sun everyone needs to spam sawtooth with requests to do a video anilizing the limits of changeling power

I think Cozy Glow once she unstones will still have alicorn magic she will taje the time to learn alicorn magic then use it for more danger only at the end to possibly turn good

If discord could pose as grogar then grogar could pose as literally anyone.

Maybe the mean 3 will be Luster Dawn's test like how Discord and Sombra are to Twilight.🤔

y’know when you said that the time jump mane 6 in the future probably went against way stronger villains made me think, a lot.

1:06
Me: seeing the picture and hearing ‚Thanos‘ immediately tearing up Oh god... the feels... NOT AGAIN!!! I watched it just yesterday!

Actually technically Discord power thing Turn to Stone wasn't temporary he just got unstoned Because the Cutie Mark Crusaders fought like chaos and Discord it took all that fighting and made him unsone

Let’s be honest
If the elements of harmony didn’t exist, discord would of defeated the main six, easily

Toss the monument into something that can melt stone like a volcano or an arc furnace and nothing is left.

Theory: does villians age when they’re turned too stone? Prob. Yes..but....think about it guys...

Maybe grogar is in all the other villans as he gave life to them and some of him protected the bell and ended up in the bell with power ready to attack

I believe Grogar won't be a last villain, but our first. Before you get confused let me explain, Grogar could be the FIRST Villain in G5.

Do you know how in the time jump episode twilight was like celestia so when celestia and luna were just made or created into allicorns they looked like twilight. She also have a long flowing Maine. But to thing that she didnt have a glittery Maine also goes back to you're old theorie of there being a pony civilization along with the artificial and non artificial allicorns. I hope you think about this because I've been thinking about it for a long time its interesting on how different twilight is.. I haven't watched the hole thing but did celestia leave twilight to rule?

Sombra may reunite with them cozy tirek and chrysalis and grogar they may destroy equestria but if discord helps the ponies it will be equal because chaos holds a special place besides order. There may be reuniting of mane 6 pillars the pre royal princesses a huge battle may began. I cant just wait out for the next season to come out

Maybe Twilight would see this amazing video and take action I think she would send them to Limbo because time
doesn't work in Limbo

Good story that tackles the villains coming back is called the ‘The Next Chapter’ written by Some Leech.

They could figure out that if discord came to a chance set that being an isolation twice taught him that friendship is better than evil that friendship will always overlap but always win Not you should just except that they're going to the side except being in finish shment it's stone for thousand more years You choose to if you choose to discord tell them that And then we would understand that not everything eve That somethings can be nice and if they're nice and they can be stronger They could be better than what they are

When listening to this I got one certain song in mine

“Cause no one’s ever lost forever when they die they go away, but they will visit you occasionally do not be afraid, no one’s ever lost forever they’re just caught inside your heart, if you garden them and water them they make you what you are”

When discord got free in season 2, the CMC’s were causing chaos. I presume that if you do something that represents what that villain does, it helps them grow strong

But I think chrysalis,Tirek and Cozy Glow will return in G5

Oh yea Chysalis, tirek, and cozy glow are going to come back with a vengeance! No doubt there

Does anybody remember in the time jump episode the windows in the back may have something to do with cozy glow and the outher retern

5:16 solution...... Throw them off a cliff like the Storm King

When discord was released there were other statues beside him would there be other statues that are alive

If it means hasbro gets to sell more toys, they most likely will bring them back

Look.. There is a simple reason why discord escaped. Discord was turned to stone with elements --> later elements were binded with the mane 6 --> old spell wore off because the elements kind of "reset themselves" to a new user.

I think they might come back on the new show

S2 discord: I don't turn ponies to stone
S9 discord: *turns a pony to stone




Edit: holy cow I came back to this comment and it has more than 400 likes?! That is just....wow

I actually have an idea on what happend to cozy, chrysalis and tirek!
so heres the thing, do you remember how they separated the pony kinds? and how discord was free'd the CMC's fighting? well, we are now introdeced to g5! but what happend between g4 and g5?
what if, a group of ponies fought near the statue of cozy, chrysalis and tirek? could that of free'd them??? if so, perhaps the villains used their time to separate the ponies once more! and... I think I might have a good idea for g6... did you notice the weird something in the background of the g5 movie when argle was painting? well, it was the bell!!! my theiroy is sunny still has it! maybe... the villains are still alive! they find it, take it! then take over the world!
and so... g6 could be sad place where the villains rule! now, if you don't want me to end here...
maybe the g5 ponies reform them and it's a happily ever after!

I have not watched the series myself. But, a possible fan-idea is that some time after Twilight's reign (like a few decades or so) her closest friends (With the exception of spike since he's a dragon and they are usually long lived) has passed away, and in this time while she's grieving and tries to move on. Grogar (The real one) decides it's time to strike while she is vulnerable. And it could be a battle the two could wage for like a 1000 or more years. And the other villains, either have gone their separate ways (once or if they got free from being statues) or some have tried to change for the more good, or are fully under Grogar command. And the world becomes split in two. One where twilight rules a world of light and, and the other is Grogar's domain of darkness and monsters.

I am more than sure some people can come up with greater stuff than me, but that's just an idea.

Hm, so I'm not the only one that thought of that for Grogar. XD Are you reading my mind? Cause I had the second theory as a plot point for something I've been coming up with XD

Here’s an idea. Gen 5 is supposed to be set in the same world as Gen 4, where all the magic is gone. What if Grogar came back, took all the magic, and THAT’S why Gen 5 doesn’t have magic?

Discord’s release wasn’t because enough time had passed, but because there was Discord between the CMC, enough to weaken the spell. The Mane Six on their own have proven to perform better spells with the Elements than Tia and Luna. Tia couldn’t heal Luna, but the Mane Six could. The Elements gave enough Magic to Twilight to give to the HuMane 5 where Sunset Shimmer is, and later Twilight and the HuMane 5 unlocked the Magic inside of Sunset’s Human form, and the Magic just grew from there.
Also, Discord’s Magic combined with all Earth Pony, Pegasus, and Unicorn Magic Equaled 4 Alicorns worth of power, and Tirek proved just how much of an increase Discord gave him, meaning that Discord is more powerful than Tia or Luna alone, or maybe even both of them combined. Discord is well versed in many different Magics, so would be able to augment the Stone Spell.

Even if the three of them got out, if anyone is aware, then they’d call reinforcements to contain the three of them until the spell would be recast... again. Rinse and repeat until it’s meaningless.

Bruh mlp has such potential, like the comics would make such great episodes, and grogar would be a great endgame villain, also I would've loved to see the cosmos from the comics in the series

So your telling me , DISCORD IS THE STRONGEST CREATER IN EQESTRA, I MEAN HE REALEESTED HIM SELF FROM 3 FILLIES you really need to get on to this man and he even started a war if you think about it discord new or would of known the three villens would escape after a while and be more smarter, that could push the three to start a war plus he realised sonbra this guy is op

I like to think Luster Dawn will be the one fighting Grogar.

I would like to see a theory on how thomas would work in equestria, or if it would, having magic railroad exist, thay could connect the worlds together, and they are like an alternative dimension

Discord is litteraly ludicrously overpowered, he litteraly brought Sombra back from the dead. He could imitate Grogar's magic, like seriously how strong is this guy, I'm suprised Tirek didn't grow more by consuming discord his magic.

I wish mlp would continue in its normal way

the storm king was turned to stone and shattered. Although he could hypothetically be glued back together or something, that doesn't seem likely because that biologically makes no sense

I have a problem with what you said at 4:22 the cmc’s caused discord coming back. (His stone prison was getting weaker but) the fight that the cutie mark crusaders was the reason why he came back

Am i the only one to love the idea Flurry Heart reforming Cozy Glow in next gen?😂💕 (otp btw)

Tell me why I saw on one of the seasons that discord can turn himself into stone and make himself the stone break himself and to use his and still be fine he might be able to still be alive do you know how in one of the episodes in season nine his soul still stayed in the school but his body stayed out what if discord’s body was still in stone out there and discourse soul without their causing chaos in different places

If the comic Season 10 did not exist then here's how Season 10 would look like

Episode 1-2: The Cutie Map calls the Student Six to help a Nirik
Episodes 3 to 9: Filler
Episode 10: The Cutie Map calls The Pillars to find Scorpen
Episode 15: Tirek's reform
Episode 16: The Cutie Map calls Thorax, Pharynx, Dragon Lord Ember, and Spike to reform Chrysalis
Episode 20: Chrysalis' reform
Episode 21: The Cutie Map calls Trixie, Starlight, and Sunburst to reform Cozy Glow
Episode 24: Cozy Glow's reform
Episode 25-26: Twinkle Sprinkle finds the pony who banished Grogar/Grogar's Attack
Episode 27: The Cutie Map calls Tempest Shadow and Moondancer to reform Storm King
Episode 30: Storm King's reform
Episode 31: The Cutie Map calls Discord, Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow to reform Sombra
Episode 34: Sombra's reform
Episode 35-36: The Cutie Map calls all the princesses and Shining Armor to save Flurry Heart from Grogar/ Flurry Heart's cutie mark

Your comment about Discord being a necromancer reminded me of one of my own theories;


Discord never brought Sombra back. S9 Sombra WAS Discord.

Let's think about it this way
Grogar was in the bell when discord gave everybody's magic back grogar came out he still had some power in em so he teleported away when he gets his power back he gets the three out sends them to secretly capture ponies
Grogar : chrisalis you get to capture starlight ,cozy you go get fluttershy and rarity ,tyrec go get rainbow and AJ ,I'll get pinkie and twilight then we attack discord next of course we take their magic then I'll manipulate the ponies then we take down every creatures leader Chrisalis and I will do that the.pony army will guard the captured ponys and tyrec and cozy will stay on guard for the pillars and princesses hahahahahaha (all evil laugh)

5:00 I personally think the 'having you senses while being stone' is exclusive to Discord alone. He has proven to be able to exist just as a ghost before while messing with Starlight so it seems fitting that he alone has that ability. And im sure petrification has been done before in universe so ponies should know how it works, look at when Rockhoof asked Twilight to turn him to stone. Ignoring that its basically a temporary death I don't think she would have done it if she knew he would be conscious the entire time regardless of whatever arguments Rockhoof would throw at her. Also in S1 the cockatrice petrified Twilight and she had no senses and question what she missed but im not sure if that counts since its from the power of the cockatrice's stare but as the only other example of a 'statue survivor' I think its enough to show that the big bad 3 won't be slowly cooking their revenge and end up in a more of a time traveler/time capsule situation. And honestly no living being can be stuck as a statue that long without going insane or simply losing the ability to think at all, especially depending on where the statue of them is placed. If they're in the garden again then I could see them staying decently sane from 'interactions' with passerbys and the cleaning staff but if instead they're put in storage like they should be then the survival of their psyche depends on if they can 'think' to eachother or if they're each separated and trapped in their own mind.

someone need to create a story for griffonia...
I would like a series about Kemerskai return

Like princess Celestia said since there no longer connected to the elements of harmony the speel they cast has been brocken and not just that the the disharmony of the pony help him grow stronger

Actually the math does check out. When someone uses the elements of harmony it doesn’t use their own magic.

Earlier today I was watching one of the season nine clips and it was so funny when tireck said "DONT YOU DARE BRING GRAM,GRAM INTO THIS!!" I will now always say "DONT YOU DARE BRING GRAM, GRAM INTO THIS"

Just a theory of mine: What IF tartarus had a back door kind of thing that nopony knew about maybe that how tirek escaped or had help?

I think they will get out of stone, but by the time they do, someone is Equestria would of made some type of magic which makes any evil villain go back to stone if they were in stone before they escaped.

What I think would happen to cozy glow tirek and chrysalis is that there is someone that would do something like they would just like discord. Hence when discord was free the first time it was when sweetie bell, scootalo, and apple bloom were next to discord’s statue and they said “disharmony, and chaos” which is something discord would do. So if that ever happens to cozy glow, tirek and chrysalis I think that they would be able to break free. This is what I think

Kroger’s bell is an old elements of harmony and Grover stole it but for the elements of harmony or discovered and Groger just dumped it his own that’s why that’s a possibility

this makes me think a little deeper, this is about grogar and also it even says in the tital "no ones ever really gone" so its all just making me think here..were IS gusty the great? like we've never heard much of her so after she defeated grogar were did she go? whats she doing now? what happend to gusty the great after her stoping grogar? where is she now and what has she been doing this hole time?

The story of this show had so much freaking potential I'm so mad

ok this is going to happen(totally) cozy glow terik and queen chrysalis will feed of the negative magic in creatures which will soon make them strong enough to break the spell freeing them of being in stone and then they will somehow merge together and become 1 stronge creature and they will take most of the world (because by now they must have explored a lot of it) and then the mane 6 will fail to take the 3 out so the mane 6 creatures will be the ones who defeat terik cozy and chrysalis and then that is how they got on the stain glass next to flurry hearts (season 9 last episode) and yeah what yeh think would that be a good last season 10

I think yes
because they have to learn Friendship

If you made your ideas into your own episodes the won't have to end yet.

Btw, in the new movie, Mlp: a new generation, the magic had been drained and that caused the mc not being able to turn into a full alicorn. What if the mean 3 were sucking all the magic, with cozy glow's artifacts stuff and tirek, they could do it. And then the new group of ponies have to fight them again, but since the mean 3 still have all of their magic, they wont be able to stop them without the elements of harmony. Snowball effect :D

In the last episode of mlp I couldn’t help but notice the stained glass windows in the background witch showed what happened from Twilight’s coronation to ep 26. One was where the student 6 saved equestria again but by defeating creatures we have never seen before. This could mean a lot of things but the one I like is if those creatures were some of the first creatures in equestria as we know grogar joined the creatures together and his bell which probably still has grogar’s magic and maybe his spirit in it could have brought these creatures back and because they had the influence of grogar himself the mane 6 weren’t able to stop them which is when the student 6 go to the spirit of harmony who tells that their friendship with each other is extremely strong as it they from different races so they use that encouragement to defeat them. I find this possible because the student 6 are different creatures from different races working together and the villain creatures are joined together with magic but the students had something that they didn’t have witch was friendship and harmony which allowed them to save equestria and finally graduate school.
Btw misses ur theories I used to the very start of your channel just to watch them and they actually make sense even the ones now so I’m glad you’re starting to upland regularly again

I'm just wish that Sombra is back. He was so badass and powerful but we have seen so little of him. I was so disappointed when he was disintegrated instead of bean reformed. I mean they reformed the avatar of caos... whey not him tho:(((((((((((((( I bet he would've get to mountain Everhoof easily just by building crystal bridge

...Nah, I think that's it, Cozy Glow is a filly and Tirek and Chrysalis are rendered powerless compared to Discord of all creatures. And plus the elements of Harmony have a thing of having non everlasting punishments nightmare moon, sombra and discord, But Cozy, Chryssy and Tirek were turned to stone by straight up magicof discord, luna and celestia.

Imagine how cool it would be if king sombra wasn’t selfish and teamed up with tirek,chrysalis and cozy glow

This show has villians coming back like dragon ball z meets kingdom hearts

I think that luster dawn & her friends would bring them back because twilight says that they can
make them good. 😊

The whole Discord is weaker then the elements isn't true for many reasons.
One the elements just turned him into what he was inside, a stone cold chaos monster so he became stone.
Also a human is stronger then a rock
But you can still kill someone with a rock

Discord was freed of by the princesses so whos to say they wront be freed with precautions and new attempts at reform, they may have done a lot but remember discord was freed after two attempts to bath the world in chaos (and that's while also unlike these three having his powers making him an immediate threat) In my head cannon starlight shimmer and human twilight are perfect to reform cosy glow as they both did similar things

Chrysalis, Tirek, Cozy Glow and Grogar will come back to have revenge to the mane six

Cozy glow, chrysalis, and Tirek cannot reform as long as somepony BREAKS the statue into pieces, and throwing them into a volcano

I don't think Discord should be the one to bring Grogar back. Since he's still trusted around the hero's around twenty years later, if he pulled another move like that on them then I'm sure that The Mane Six wouldn't forgive him again.

I bet there’s gonna be one more cannon movie which truly ends the mlp franchise with Grogar as the main villain

Maby his bell spreads darkness and evil into equestria while twisting the pony's homes and universe's
Aswell for timelines

Maybe grogar is the reason Ruler twilight had to keep magic in artifacts to protect or save it or… for some other reason.

everyone: where did discord come from?

last episode: ships become canon, everyone is old except twilight.

2022: What if…Grogar is the reason for magic disappearing in the new movie?

I’m pretty sure the mean 3 are gonna show up in gen 5 but grogar i don’t know itis a possibility he’ll show up as well in gen 5

hide their statues in a super secluded place, make sure no pony EVER goes near it (since discord only broke out because the cmc were fighting) and problem solved

Here is my ridiculas theory : chrysalis is celestia and lunas cousin...and is jealous of them for being alicorns and princesses so she wants to destroy them-

I'm so glad you're back! I haven't been in the fandom last few years (returned 6 years later and discovered devastation of it, meh), but thanks to the english mlp-theorists, I began to better understand english. And I love your videos the most)

After he was sealed into the bell in the final in laser I think he must have died

Who else isn’t ready for my little pony to end

btw a random question that came to my mind: Now that cozy,chrysallis and tirek are in stone sleep are they gonna be in stone sleep forever? i mean we heard from twi if i remember right that you can't die in stone sleep. If your in stone sleep for 40 years and you were 10 after 40 years your still 10? Tbh if its true then its worse destiny than death. Woud you rather be in stone sleep and never die, but your not able to get out or would you die?

5:28 well let's just hope the new mane 5 R ready if they eventually return.

I don’t know if this comment is too late, but I don’t think the petrified spell that royal sisters plus discord casts can be break by those three villains. Discord have ability to break free doesn’t mean others can do that too. I’m sure if discord didn’t lose his chaotic magic, the empowered villains can’t even match with discord. And villains can be defeated by the elements of harmony doesn’t mean villains are not powerful, they just not harmony and being restrained especially discord. In that case, 2 alicorns + elements of harmony can imprison a discord for over a thousand years, then 2 alicorns + a discord definitely can petrify three weakened creatures for eternity

I think that reason why discord turning to stone by the sisters didn’t work if because they where already presenting troubles in there friendships wearing off the spell over time.

Discord cast a spell to free Sombra but he has never use something like that before

It’s confirmed that the time jump was 20 years.

Yay more grogar!

I wish season 10 would come out! It’s been so long since my little pony episodes ):

I don't think celestia & luna actually turned the mean 3 into stone since it was discord's magic that could be seen turning them to stone.

I think that cosy glow and all of them. Are gonna be Reformed after they get out of the stone, like they did with discord

Also I like how they said FrIEndship is Disgusting Even tho they all three of them, are friends working together. So I think that might be a sign that they are gonna be Reformed and all be Friends in the End and you can really tell they like being friends Together and helping each other so that might Be a reason they will be reformed and finally change for the greater Good

I miss Cozy ;-;

When you actually think about what released Discord the first time you see the theory of them being free in a thousand years pointless and invalid. I'm sorry I do love seeing your theories and speculations. However Discord first became free because of the Discord between friends and creating chaos in front of his statue allowing him to free himself

but the crusaders caused “chaos” near discord so whatever they represent must be what is needed to free them. meaning as discord represents chaos so whatever they represent will be needed to free them.

Grogar and his legion will break free and return....

at minute 0:01 is it me or did I see Radiant Hope in the book Tirek read.

Discord is more powerful than the elements of harmony. He is weak to the magic in the elements, hence how king Sombra could destroy the tree of harmony.

Interesting theory you have. I bet when the real Grogar returns, things will get quite...messy.

Discord was freed because of the royal sisters’ connection to the elements was broken and well he’s the spirit of choas

I wish they continued with the young six

5:55
Well I also thought of nightmae moon reforming.....is it possible? I have 2 versions for this

I think My little pony is finished because in the start (on the first episode) they opened the book and at the end (the last episode) they close the book.. but i do think they may make more human ones and stuff im just not so sure about the pony ones with the mane 6 anyways love your videos bye!

My man notion back full time LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO🔥🔥🔥

What if grogar was turned to stone bye gusty the great and he’s hidden somewhere no one could find or what if grogar was also sent to limbo by gusty?

"Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow will be stone for a long time"

Season 10: Are you sure about that?

I think a banishment to another world would be the most likely fate of Grogar assuming he hadn't died. If he was merged with his bell, it would've come up when someone was telling the story of Grogar, but they only said the bell was stolen and nothing more. You already disproved the Tartarus theory and the magic prison theory. But, if he was banished to Limbo or another realm like the Pony of Shadows or the Sirens, there's no guarantee he would find a way back. After all, Discord never brought the Sirens back to Equestria and he never saved the Pony of Shadows either even to make them tests for Twilight and her friends. So, it sounds more like he knows where to draw the line when it comes to which villains to bring back and he thought bringing back someone as dangerous and fearsome as Grogar would be taking things too far. And, if the Sirens never found a way back to Equestria, it's possible neither did Grogar. And that's assuming it was the human world he was banished to. It's also possible Gusty dragged him to Limbo the way the Pillars dragged Stigeon and didn't leave a journal like Starswirl did so no one knows she's there

spells where of for a reason,like the connection of the elements are why discord is free but the elements weren't used,it was celestia,Luna and discord and the only way the spell will where of is that they die but they are immortal so that is confirmed permanent

Maybe, he was Discord, transformed from an evil goat to a mismatched lord of chaos, there was a line that said Discord was not always a lord of chaos.

What if after being turned to stone, they were shattered into a million pieces, melt in lava and frozen in ice

I just want more King Sombra.

If Chrysi, and yes I'm quoting Discord here, comes back, whats to say Thorax doesn't use a pitucurlary teenager, adult methiod known as flerting to get her to change sides? however, i'd reather he got with ember instead.

Maybe thats why the magic is gone in the g5, that would be cool

I have a random questions:
Did Luna acually use magic to turn her into Nightmare moon or did something else happen?

We never knew Chrysalis's backstory only that she was the queen of the changlings. Did something happen to the race of changlings or are they supposed to look that way (ugly version)? If they arn't supposted to look that way then did they revert back to what they were (newer version) in the far past? If so then what would Chrysalis look like?

Also what happened to Skorpan? And where did he and Tirek come from, from the outskirts of equestria? Does Starswirl remember Skorpan, since they were friends?

Was Discord created or born like he has a race just like him but arn't there for some reason?

These guys can 100% be reformed it will be hard but it's not impossible and heres proof


In Frenemies they almost learned about the magic of friendship only for Chrysalis to stop them thinking like it



And in The Summer Sun Setback Tirek saves a bird from falling




If Chrysalis was never at the mountain then I'm sure Cozy Glow and Tirek would reform


And as for Chrysalis it is inside her as she almost got it at Frenemies but quickly snapped out of it

You forgot 1 impottent detial aout discord's return from stone.
He came back when the CMC caused some choas during their vist to the palace gardens.

I think the reason discord was free from stone was maybe because the spell wore off from him

They might. They might get in the new series of mlp.

I'm pretty sure that they stated in "The Return of Harmony - Part 1(Season 2 Episode 1)" that the statue spell on discord wore off because Celestia and Luna were the ones who cast the spell and when the mane 6 came along, they(Celestia and Luna) then were no longer connected to the elements of harmony, making the spell weaker since the time when Celestia and Luna were no longer connected to the elements of harmony. That means the spell might be broken when Celestia and Luna goes to heaven(trying not to say "die"), and "might" because Discord lives forever since we didn't see him get older in the last episode. And also (just a theory) the mane 6 will always be connected to the elements of harmony because the pillars were still connected to the elements of harmony even after 1000 years because they were casting a banishing spell.

do u think grogar was incased in the bell? and since you cant break it you cant free him?

anyone else want chrysalis back and eventually be reformed but by some pony unusual or perhaps somebody sunset shimmer, human twilight or even princess of merchandise the one the only mc flurry face or maybe pharynx the cmc's possibly twilight's new student i have loads of different ponies but those are a few bet can we all just say if derpy reformed chrysalis

Does anyone think that Hasbro's can just release a new My Little pony series covering all the stuff that happened between twilight's coronation and the end of the series

or grogar is discord and grogar (discord) just turned into a draconequus just so he could fool the ponies and when the time is right he will return into his normal form and take over everything because if you think about it grogar and discord would actually be pretty similar in power...


but you never know

I get this is a old video but im a say it. The one thing you got wrong is discord escaping his stone imprisonment. In the episode celestia said discord was able to esacpe causes her and luna were no longer tide to the elements of harmony so the spell wore off which allow discord to escapes.This mean Cozy Glow,Tirek,and Chrysalis can't escape unless twilight and her friends stop being tide to the elements.

what if gorger dissapered when the spell on his bell was casted .

Grogar Will be the next Villain for the my Little pony and in the future

4:20 when you think about it the CMCs released Discord (because their bickering released Discord by happening at the right spot) so yes but actually no.

I'm glad at least someone is acknowledging the fact that these three villains will be motionless in space while they are fully conscious for eternity. You say that because Discord broke free, that the villains can as well, but Discord is the strongest being in Equestria and it took him a thousand years to get out. Not to mention that his whole thing is disharmony and he was only able to get out after feeding off the disharmony from the cmc. The Legion of Doom have no power source like that, so they will be frozen in stone forever, begging for death until the end of time with no hope of anyone hearing their desperate cries for help.

Maybe grogar just needs a friend like discord?

If you want my honest opinion, Discord should have been turned to stone with the villains. After all, everything they did in season 9 was all HIS FAULT.

and thanks so much to you Sawtooh Waves because i have many data that i should add to my story of My Little Pony

when I first started watching his videos after not watching them for awhile, I didn't notice he'd changed his name from "the brony notion" so at first I thought it was someone else pretending to be him, or someone who is re-uploading is videos and saying they are theirs. But NOPE he just changed his name relieved sigh

i always imagen a OC i made in the stone progress of the evil-3
and he is unique among creatures, as he is not really... alive, he is litterly a living shadow, a living spell, no flesh, no blood (the living shadow of a Spirit (my main oc is the Spirit of Balance)
and rather then he breaking the 4 of them out of stone, he merged the evil-3 into one being, with him being the permanent glue, causing the new super villain to break free (with no memories though)

Gen 5 probably did kill them off though. I'm basically headcanoning them as dead after the loss of magic

It wouldn't take place in season 19 but actually G5. Grogar reigned with fear.

How do we know Gusty didn't murder him?

I hope megan appears in the 5g

I remember when you didn't upload for a long time, Im so glad you've uploaded! Keep up the great work <3

I'm also glad to be early, but sad because theres no jokes or anything

this might sound dumb but u know how in the very beginning of ep 1 its celestia opening a book and telling the story of twilight etc, what if on gen5 , its twilight this time thats doing that and she explains what happens after they turned them into stone 👁👄👁

I think about the second theory may be he will be the cause of g5 ponies to live separated because twilight might be slain a looooooooong time after her friends have left her

Me: Call me silly, but Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy Glow were all weakened when the Royal Sisters and Discord used the stone spell on them, so maybe the spell lasted forever.
Pinkie Pie: You might be right, silly!

The time gap is the Season 10 Comic!

They'll most likely face the real Grogar in the comics!!

Chrysalis vs Luster Dawn (Twilight's pupil at the very end of the show) would be soooooooo hype! Especially if it's true that Luster is the child of Starlight! 😍

Well, if they do come back, we've got reformation to deal with. And that could go wrong.... Not saying that it would, but look at Chrisalis......

Discord also has chaos magic which could have interfered with the magic even if it wasn’t much

Actually Celestia said his break out was broken by her and luna losing connection to the elements

"What happened to the bell after the final rainbow laser"
Uhh nothing happened to the bell, cuz I remember that Pinkie took Discord's Chaos magic from the bell after the rainbow laser bcs a giant cupcake fell on the villains but it is a unknowen what they did with the bell AFTER all that. Maybe the Princesses were able to get it back on the mountain? I dunno

I want more mlp episodes it’s sad they had to end

The main 6 will probably come back in G5

“That’s future Spike’s problem.”
Yeah, I say that sometimes, too. (But I use my actual name, not Spike’s.)

I think they might come back sooner than you think cuz u know like u said Celestia and Luna's magic didn't turn them into stone it was discord's magic maybe discord cancelled Celestia and Luna's magic to turn them into stone maybe instead it destroyed the giant cupcake so discord didn't make them to stay statue long maybe just few years as in between luster dawn's time and the time they turned into stone yeah I know exactly WHYY I guess to reform them like u said or it would be a giant snowball in the future I love all ur videos they makes so much sense except twilight dictator one

If the villains come back there will be new heroes like flurry heart or twilights top student

4:46
Sombra: Am I a joke to you?

I really wish queen crysalis was redeemed

anyone realize that grogar and moro from dragon ball are kind of the same and look the same too.

he’s literally the god of chaos Thought the same time a magic sucking creature in that stone cage to will not cage but you get it

At least there may be 12 people protecting equestria why? Main six x2 lol maybe just maybe the main six we have grown to love along with discord and the new main six plus a lot of other princesses and princes even the kids twighlight and the others may have and the new main six we saw also known as the young 6 it is a gigantic possibility that celestia and Luna may come back to save their pony kingdom after all they said they would always be around for guidance maybe they would come to help if they didn’t it wouldn’t be much of a problem anyway because we have so many willing to protect equestria from threats maybe they might be reformed before they get a second chance at villainy there is honestly a possibility that at least Tirek and Chrysalis will find there calling amongst the ones they care about Tirek may realise his brother was correct about the princesses and Chrysalis may realise her mistakes and redeem herself joining the other changelings

What if grogar in eqg world is cobra commander?

discord only got relised cause the crausaders acted in dis harmony in front of his statue which was his purpose so i guess if someone will minipulate in front of cozy glow she will break out same with the other two this is not related to time or power or spell .

YES THEY WILL BE COMING BACK BECAUSE DISCORD WAS TURNED TO STONE BUT HE UNFROZE.

i want cozy glow to become flurry hearts friend
just me ok ima go-

What if he escaped limbo but was in a spirit form and played in his bell and then free the 3

Why are alicorns taller than regular ponies even if they’re the same age or younger than regular ponies?

Discord was set free unintentionally but the cutie mark crusaders as they fought. This fight was the embodiment of chaos/discord. I don't think the spell was weakened but was broken by the crusaders.

Wait a minute


If Cozy glow and friends were still stuck there after twilight became the new princess and her friends died from old age- then.. they could have still be there in the newest generation of mlp

Well...Technically King Sombra didn't die his spirit still lived...soooo yea :3 3:23

I think the villains swill come back because we all know the stone spell does not last forever and when the do come back it will be luster dawn and the rest of her friends we saw at the last few moments, I mean, sure they are not all ponies like twilight and her friends but I think it is a very high probability that this will be there fight and twilight and her friends days of fighting bad guys are over cuz I'm pretty sure if they did have another fight it would be on screen but its probably time for a new of screen adventure for just luster and her friends

Ok think about this.... discord is the spirit of disharmony and his statue started cracking when thr cmc started fighting which is disharmony. So maybe the three bad guys break out when something they represent happens right in front of them.

Personally I think it's all leading up to season 69 where Yoda will slaughter everypony with his 2006 Honda Civic.

When the show is over and he still makes videos about it haha 😂

every villian seemed to be 1000years banished

I don’t know what will happen to the 3 but I know that they haven’t returned already since discord took 1000 years to get back to normal and in season 9 episode 26 description it says 20 years after twilights coranation

Just a random theory:What if chrysalsis was queen rose dust what happened to the flutter ponies here is my theory. Grogar discovered the flutter pony race and decided to manipulate rose and then he broke into her palace and traped rose in a cacoon tranforming her to rose dust to chrysalis after her corruption she and grogar got rid of the flutterpony race and replaced it with changelings

okay but it was confirmed they're in coma while being a statue

No one’s ever really gone...



Especially your uploading schedule. Consistent uploads have risen from the dead.

But remember they unfroze Discord on purpose when trying to reform him

Maybe all the villains are parts of Groggarls soul.

“Doesn’t even matter if he DIED”
Me: wellnObodyhaddoneanythingwithajsparEnts

Theory:the next generation of the mane 6 face the REAL grogare. (I think I spelled it wrong.)

Ok WHERE ARE COZY GLOW'S PARENTS/GUARDIANS.

Please make a theory on this because wtf hasbro.

That means Discord can bring the mane 6 back to life after they die.

When gusty had better spells than the sisters:

Plot twist: Discord was the de- powered form of Gorger after he got his power taken away, he came into contact with his now chaos magic he forgot who he was before his power and only knows about Gorger cause of the stories of him and if he ever got the power of the bell he'd remember who he is

Fnaf: I always come back
Me and discord: Yes but actually no

In the last mlp eppisode we got too see Flurry hart all grone up in the glass windows of Twilit’s castle. P.s. sorry if I made some mistakes I’m not from USA or the UK

I hope grogar will be a villain in g5

what if the reason why Gen 5 has modern technology was because of Grogar returning after the time jump. Or more likely just like the Sirens, the Memory Stone and the Storm Kings magic Grogar was banished to the Human world.

I think .when the rainbow of the elements must have destroyed grogars magic. The only thing left of him is his soul

If the mean 3 did somehow return, it would be full out Tartarus in Equestria

Just a thought but maybe when grogars magic was returned to the bell at the end, it also make us so the thing in the middle of the bell stoped ringing to they couldn’t use his magic, unless maybe the bell was broken like completely

I think that Grogar will free them from their stone prison, but Chrysalis will go her own way send find love in her daughter, which was supposed to be the first of her army, but instead, she will be reformed and just live with her daughter. As for Tirek and Cozy, I think the Tirek will turn to stone again, but this time fall down Cliff and shatter, like the Storm King. Cozy, I think she's going to go back to Tartarus for most of her life and then free herself and get caught by the main six kids, and now need a new prison for her, and Twilight will choose to send her to sunsets world. I not sure what will happen with Grogar, maybe the spirit of harmony will stop him.

Maybe they will return in G5, who knows

3:07 I think you're right 🥰💕😍

The elements were destroyed by Sombra and it could be permanent

Last 2 vids have been fire🔥 keep em comin

Sawtooth waves: Grogar
Captions: grow car, grow gar, Kroger,

But the part that he said spells don't last forever and discord said said "just because I turned into stone doesn't mean I can hear every word pony's say...

I think that the young 6 defeated GROGAR as in episode-the last episode ,we see the there in a glass showing that young 6 defeating someone.

Just so you know Cristal is my favorite character

remember when you didn’t upload in 2 years

what if there was an untold story of grogar (or goat dude) where he was actual banished to his own bell...i mean i probably as i dumb idea to think about but i did say "what if"

OK if you watch the 1980 something to like almost 2000 my little pony we have Groger mentioned and how he is defeated by his own bell almost but doesn’t mention gusty the great pluses so many characters from now and then from G1And if you ever watch those like two or three episodes you’ll understand what actually happened to Groger also you could do another video about he wreck and what actually happened to pasting his parts from G1 and from G5 I mean G4

I'm so excited for the G5 ponies

Yes because we never know what happened Tito them that shape them into the ponies that they are in the future

When u get harnessed on Minecraft because you have a Twilight skin 😶

Here is something that is official in MLP FIM... your not truly a villain if you didn’t have a premier, finale or movie. Trixie is not a true villain as she never had one of those things, but all the rest are. Sure most of them are reformed but not all of them. Here’s a list of all the TRUE villains.
Cozy Glow
Chrysalis
Tirek
Discord
Starlight Glimmer
Nightmare Moon
The Sirens/Dazzlings
Pony of Shadows/Stygian
and for some reason the most sad and plebby villain
Sombra
oh ya how could i forget the man that was only in his movie FOR AT MOST 10 MINUTES!! The Storm King!

Wait a minute how was King Sombra even brought back?

Do you even think there are going to be anymore episodes of my little pony after twilight ruled equestria

I hope they go good!! But wait the storm king was killed AND turned into stone, about him? AND the sirens?!?!?!

The thumbnail makes me want to play the pillar men theme

Um u forgot that when the princesses cast the spell on discord they do it together.so when luna was banish to the moon the spell became weaker cause the sisters was no longer connected to the elements

What if grogar got pulled back to his sky prison even after the sky prison got weakened?

I’m late but I was thinking...
I know MLP Gen 5 is going to be different, but what if Grogar comes back IN gen 5??? It’s very possible depending on how far away gen 5 is and if it is connected but it is very possible.

Hi I'm very early and I just wanna say that your one of my Favorite theorists of YouTube 💖

Mabey he was turned to stone? XD idk it's just a lame idea. But discord was turned to stone. He also pretended to be grogar. Chrysalis, tirek, and cozy glow got turned to stone. Idk it's just an idea. But grogar wouldn't be able to take over equestria again. Discord is the lord of chaos and very powerful. But he couldn't do anything. So mabey grogar was turned to stone? Xd probably not, but its plausible

What if the student six and luster dawns friends teamed up and helped defeat Grogar

Sawtooth: No one’s ever really gone.
MLP G5: A FOOLISH MISCALCULATION!

Seriously, tho. Call me Pinkie in “The Gift of Maud Pie” because I want my canon back. If Sawtooth’s theory is correct and Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow have already made their return, why aren’t they mentioned in G5? You’d think that a student from Twilight’s School if Friendship (Cozy Glow) would be mentioned at least /once/ by Argyle in the bedtime stories he told to Sunny while she was growing up. We already know she has a firm grasp on Equestrian history - see her journal that likely belonged to Twilight - so hearing stories of an innocent filly who was led down the wrong path seems like something that would be right up her alley.

Number 2 explanation would explain why in generation 5 lost the scene of friendship

HE’S BACK OMGGGG

the reason discord is out bc the elements of harmony got renamed
to the main six, if Celestia and luna were still connected he would still be in stone

i think that in mlp g5 when it reaches like season 2 finale these three will come back cause it is gonna be a longer time than discord was in the stone realm trapped and if u ask how do i know that a much longer time has passed it is beacause in the g5 movie twilight and the others are forgotten!So there may be a possibility for that cause we know discord is more powerful than all three so it would be realy cool if that happened!and tell me abt your opinions on this @Sawtooth Waves

Do you think Kroger coming back is the reason why Twilight is no longer seen in the new series right after the last season of My Little pony maybe that's the reason why magic disappeared

Celestia and Luna never would’ve agreed to turning Cozy Glow Chrysalis and Tirek to stone if they knew that it would mean they would never come back to life. In a dark way that’s literally killing them.

When you said “next Friday” I thought to myself: well for me it’s next Saturday

K time to bring out my old Bat pony OC and save a legitimate child from stone, who wants to join?

Maybe they did break out and twilight sacrificed herself to take them down
Somehow splitting the types of pony’s in the process

I guess this was uploaded before the G5 reveals. when you said 'Equestria better be in safe hands', that would have been a good excuse to show a quick image of Sunny Starscout... ;)

I mean if discord was free by the cmc's fighting then someone is bound to free the three villains

Best MLP Theory I’ve heard 10/10 Hope something similar Actually happens

It was technically just Discord that turned them to stone,Celestia and Luna just blew up the cupcake

Why is rarity the only one with grey hair and how come we haven’t seen more middle-aged ponies?

I think how when they turned them to stone.
A possibility opens up that they might
Come back in generation 5
👁👅👁

Gusty the Great was in g1 so maybe in 40 years in the real world it’s probably a 1000 years or so maybe even more in the MLP World. So it means Gusty is dead in the pony world and it all makes sense to me so please reply if you agree or want to expand on this expansion.

Too bad my little pony end 😔 So will
never know

They do come Twilight and her friends will still be there and feed the storm king of his with them

They did it because it was the only way to save two twin from tirek chrissy and cozy. So they would never hurt her or anyone ever again. But now that I think about it it doesn't seem right what they did was bad but they were just hurt by the good guys.

Imagine 5 years in real life MLP season 10

Discord also say this "I can't turn ponys into stones" he say so himself. 🤔🤔

Looks like the changeling civil war isn’t canon




Unless...

The only reason discord escape was because there was chaos so I don't think the evil 3 would escape like how discord did cuz discord who's made of chaos had chaos itself to help him escape

I'm not going to give any spoilers, but if you read the finale of the Friendship is Magic comic series that just came out today, then that might answer some questions :)

No one's ever gone is like nothing's ever gone. sure My Little Pony EPISODE'S are gone. But what if there will be a movie. And a movie can be as long as a whole season! this is me signing out.

But discord, and the sisters used their power together. And the magic of friendship shows that is powerful together. I think Discord used his heart to increase his power with thw power of friendship

So you have finally came back now? After MLP has ended?

Didn’t discord eventually break out because of the element of harmony unlinking from the two sisters which weakened everything or smthn

the pony of shadows wasn't a villain that was his friends

The royal sisters just broke the cupcake discord had lighting and that is what turned the main 3into stone 🪨

Hang on what if the theory that grogar in the bell is true and what flor he left the bell with discords magic living inside him tempting him until he wins discords will power also if what discord said is true that he can do anything that makes him more powerful than the elements of harmony and grogar combined he just jasent realised it yet and now that he is reformed he has no reason to try it also he was probably to scared of the elements of harmony to try because they had defeated him so many times what do you think?

I have a feeling that Agent Bonbon has some role in the missions or the other agents of equestria.

I'm sure Discord still likes chaos, but like the smartass he is, instead of him causing chaos he wouls make other cause it, it's not his kind of chaos, but chaos non the less

Looks at the title

I don't think Flash Sentry fits that statement.

They should have sent them to the moon. 🤣

The with are more powerful then any magic

Is it just me or is there people out there that like both Mlp and Star Wars?

What if he WAS IN THE BELL!? And they had to use every magic in it for him to be released!

Tired is awake, can’t move, but his eyes are closed. Bro

Honestly, I have a huge conspiracy web of villains and princesses!!!!!

Grogar could have been on the other side of tartaurus

Tartarus reminds me of Tartaglia from Genshin impact- Childe- ya know?-

I think that the villins are going to get revenge for being turned into stone!

sad that the shows over it had so much potential for this stuff XD

i still haven’t gotten season 9 or 10 why is that ? i’ve been dieing to see more seasons

Grogar’s backstory takes place somewhere before Season 1. That’s what I think.

still waiting for season ten…. 🥲

You are really interested in grogar huh??

2:02 the show ended at season 9🤦🏽‍♀️

I just really want a season 10

Dubai it surprised me how many people don't understand the only reason Discord ever got free is because Scootaloo Sweetie Belle and Apple Bloom we're causing chaos that's what set him free was the power of chaos that those three were causing it still surprises me how people don't understand that

I didn’t understand why cozy glow turned evil 👿

I WISH MY LITTLE PONY DIDN’T END!!!!!!

SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT!!!! THIS IS NOT OVER!!!!

he’s back

I have two suggestions that discord + royal sis are more powerful than the elements of harmony + royal sis we have never seen discord with tia and luna and discord is so cayotic that he even got the elements

Maybe the young six are fighting grogar in the window from the last episode

Yea I think he would come back in the 10th season. But there’s a problem. The 9th season is the last

Bruh if he was the bell then the show would be pretty dark since they got it to never work again then they would have just murdered him O-O

I think they will break out when G5 is running on tv.

When I get older I will force the my Little pony creators to make my Little pony 2 enteric Queen Chrysalis and Cody glow get free and they all learn their lesson and never become evil again and twivine is evil

He’s the lord of the realm of shadows Tambelon

If Palpatine can come back...

What if the Stainglass window of flurry heart is actually very hard to the feeding grow car with the power of friendship I don’t have any evidence it’s just a random theory

Love the marvel reference

I hope queen chrysalis will return, or atleast changlings

those three need a hug

I wish cozy glow had it better she was just a filly with a whole life ahead of her im not sure what really happened to her i was hopeing for a happy ending for her

Me getting bored and going to watch some old theory video’s- REALIZING HE JUST POSTED
REEE HES BACK

Well let's not forget there's another villain thats permanently gone and that's storm king he was both turned to stone and killed. But then again if Sombra can come back from the dead can storm maybe comeback to?

Since Discord was freed when something chaotic happened maybe when something that represents them happens they will be freed too.

And of course tartarus was centred to the wreck

What about Sombra though? Dude got Thanos snapped.

That’s a good theory.......maybe the real grogar be in the mlp season 10 comic book

i thought this was about to get deep

I hope the stormking returns one day

I think that they would not cone back but few other villains will.

What if the surviving pinky clones help the villain to come back to get revenge from twighlight for killing them.

#I miss the non rainbow beetle queen (crystalis)

there were two ponys when they banish discord but this time discord was with them

The problem is that discord only broke out because Celestia and Luna weren’t connected to the elements but discord never was so Tirek cozy and chrysalis are probably staying stone forever

I think that Gragar was banished by the bell

Just realised something, an Alicorn can live for a long time like celestia and Luna that have ruled for thousands of years if twilight is to rule equestria for a long time her friends would have died but she wouldn’t which means twilight would have to deal with them again but what about her friends you may ask? I believe that the generations of her friends like their children’s children so on that she would become friends with them and they would fight together it’s basically like having her friends spirit and legacy inside them, or she could have casted a spell that allowed them to live possibilities are endless,there are a lot of theories that luster would have taken the throne but I kind of doubt that, twilight would have had the throne for that long and as we now sunset was never meant to be a princess even as celestial first pupil,I believe twilight would at least reign for at least a thousand and so years before retiring or there are many theories also that she shares the throne with luster think twilight is a time of night while Dawn is a time of day it kinda makes sense but idk this is just a theory but I really hope you see this and maybe make a video about it bye! DJMelody00-

Listen the the show Sawtooth if you miss a single tiny detail the whole thing is upside down sure its better that Cozy Chrysalis Tirek will reform

Well, Discord broke free cause of the discord between the CMC arguing ... Hard to say what would trigger their escape if anything.

Discord turns into Grogar?
Is Discord a Changeling?

discord was teaching them lessons just to unit the villans and take over all of equestria

yay, glad to see you uploading a new video!

I hope they make My Little Pony Friendship is Magic Second Generation. Where Seasons 1-9 fro that are actually Seasons 10-18.

Due to mlp G5 sticking with G4's story,(just way into the future) and not making an entirely new one, i wonder if the villians will be a problem for sunny, izzy, hitch, zipp and pipp.Oh, and all the other ponies XD.

wait...THERE IS A SEASON 9!? I'VE BEEN WAITING 5 MONTHS FOR IT TO COME OUT

GOOD THING THERE IS GOING TO BE A 2ND MOVIE HEHE Who knows maybe Gorgar will be the villian

Since I’m kind of early I just wanted to let you know that I’ve watched you for 5 years your the best theorist I know 😂😁

Everyone getting turned into stone: AAAAHHHHH
Me: Get my good side

I know in the franchise GROGAR is a legend but maybe he isn’t if the villains found GROGAR’S bell then maybe he isn’t a legend after all but now we’re never gonna find out because the series ended

All Darksiders Will be happy about this when in G5 they are back

Maybe Thanos style is how it went though...

I'm a bit confused about the turned to stone punishment. Didn't Discord break free because of the chaos he "passively" cast upon the CMC? Wouldn't the Evil 3 need some sort of "push" to break them free of their imprisonment as well? They can't all feed off of chaos like Discord did.

Maybe they come back in G5?

The villains could be combined

you should do some about pony life

take a look back in g1 his bell melted and he exploded he may have came back to unfreeze them

It's nice that you're back uwu

Hey, can you tell me where you got the picture of the villains getting out?

will grogar and megan come back?

Everyones kowns season 9 and thats the end probably, but for me season 9 feel like season 11. I think there a lot more questions to answer what will come next or what happened before Twilight beacame Princess of Equestria. There must be more to it then.

I think our Mean 3 doesn't even gonna get old, besides they are on stone isn't they?

Tarturus.. GREEK MYTHOLOGY REFERENCE!

That means Groger is an object

what if grogar is part of the reason the crystals exist in the new mlp

Me: *reads title of the thimbnail*
PALPATINE LAUGH INTENSIFIES







Goooooooood.
Let the star wars memes flow through you.... you have summoned... THEM!!!

On 4:19 I noticed something about that:The CMC were fighting when discord was freed so the spell SHOULD BE stoned forever
but that's just a theory A MLP THEORY

Me:what is Grogar up to
The ponies:every thing!
Me:😧🙄

Hm when you said there's big gap between twlii's coronation to when she and her friends rule will that mean there should be a new window at the castle in cantrolot bc every new important even become a window version and there be one at very last episode

What’s this song that you always use at the end of your videos

to debunk the theory that the 3 villains who are turned into stone (I forgot their names) will then escape with the fact that Discord broke free because Celestia no longer has control over the elements of harmony oh and of course that one comment that says Discord bent reality and the laws of physics to which I say WHAT PHYSICS IS IN MLP

6:33 bra, I can't wait for that new song you'll be posting in the FUTURE!!!

Maybe they will return in mlp g7. We know tirek returned from an earlier era

Of course it's discord he's the spirit of disharmony and the king of chaos

Or just smash the statue and never have to deal with them again...

I have a question when MLP gen 5 I think comes out will you also do things about that or just this MLP?

Discord was freed because of the crusaders they showed the embodiment of chaos!!!

I think a volcano will erupt summoning a new villain called twivine would summon every villain and would also be impossible to defeat maybe after 3 or 4 episodes

Hey sawtooth remember you talks about is sunset a
alicorn did you not see the friendship games did you not see the sunset
She has a horn and wings watch the friendship games when sunset said the elements of harmony from the main 6 she got a horn and wings

they will not come back because the villains are turned into stone and "season 9 has ended".

Got reminded! :D

If only I could be home to watch this... Someone remind me later to watch this!!!

Crhysalish cozy glow and tirek the best villains

I think the young 6 will the one who saved equestria from villains..

I think those 3 have something to do with the fact that the 3 pony kinds were split up in the new mlp movie(mlp: a new generation)

I think tirek and cozy glow and Queen chrysalis will team up season 10

Last time I was this early, I was using The time of an Alicorn Civilization
Non-existent

Discord haret was glowing full of darkness when he was escaping

I’m slightly convinced discord is actually Grogar, but is fully reformed. Discord’s powers are beyond any other creature in the series.

Maybe there will be another season who knows

Him: ugh I still need toilet paper...

If the Legion of Doom ever gets free, I'll be rooting for them completely with no concern for the supposed "heroes" of Equestria.

@sawtoothwaves WAIT!!! WHAT IF WHAT IF WHAT IFFFF!!!! what if this theory goes through in gen 5??? We already have proof that gen 4 and 5 are connected, what if this is becomes one of the problems that the main characters of gen 5 will have to go through in the new series? Please tell me your opinion!!!

But there’s not going to be a season 10...
Or is there???
I hope there is ...

What if cozyglow is grogar in disguise

I’m watching this video as I’m rewatching the Discord reform episode lol

Princess celestial might say Twilight Can you ask your friends if they might help you use the elements of harmony to on freeze the 3Villains

Eh just break the stones and they are physically gone forever.

Unfortunately turning enemy’s to stone/banishment to another realm is about the only punishment MLP can give cause this is a kids show and death is too rated R for young children lol

Sunny Starscout, you need to get ready an absolute shit show ma’am.