Here's a theory:
Grogar was never banished. Instead, his body was destroyed and his soul was split into several pieces. Grogar does his best to find bodies to control, first worming doubt into their mind,before feeding off of their negativity, and finally being accepted as part of the pony. He is able to control the ponies more and more, and when he makes up over half the mind, the ponies transform. This would explain how Luna turned to Nightmare Moon and how Stygian turned into the Pony of Shadows. Who knows, the Changlings might have all been good, and then Grogar could have started controlling Chrysalis. Maybe Sunset Shimmer and human Twilight were slightly controlled by Grogar and then when they put on the crown/pendant Grogar seized the magic and controlled them. Starlight could have had some influence too! Wait- back to the pendant and crown. What if scraps of Grogar's soul went into objects- such as the Siren's pendants, and possibly the Elements of Disharmony! (DUN DUN DUN!) Okay, this is getting a little out of hoof with the Elements of Disharmony, but the ONE good thing about mlp being over is that no theories can be proved wrong.
Edit: I don't really mean that Grogar controled any of these ponies/creatures. It's more of a sort of influence; a whispering voice in someone's ear that urges on bad decisions. Grogar could eventaully trick/convince a pony to allow his magic to give them a powerful, evil form, like what Grogar's bell did to Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis.

@Shduehfjsi more like a yin and yang theory maybe the king sombra chrysalis tirek and cozy glow are him now some of them can be both yin and yang yin symbols femaleness and darkness so king sombra would be the yin so would chrysalis and cozy glow and yang symbols maleness and light so tirek would be the yang and so would cozy glow so maybe king sombra chrysalis tirek and cozy glow are the yin and yang but that might not be true another theory im going with is frozen in time theory so maybe king sombra chrysalis tirek and cozy glow as well grogar got frozen in time all though you dont see king sombra for the rest of the seasons so he probably got sent in time and got frozen but they are just theories i thought of

@Alexandru Frosin none taken- this is just a theory, after all!

@Shduehfjsi I got the idea from JKR, so yes, it is, I suppose.

Hmm a bit of a Harry Potter theory <br>Splitting souls into several pieces🤔

Hmm a bit of a Harry Potter theory
Splitting souls into several pieces🤔

Luna made the tantabus after nightmare moon

Um luna was controled by the tantabus and luna said she created tantabus from her hate and anger, and it is mentioned in the show that the pony of shadows was a part of tantabus

Like Kronos of the Greek Legends! We already have Cereberus and Tartarus. This could be cool.

@Twilight Olga It sort of is. That was my inspiration, but it is still slightly different than horcruxes, as Grogar wasn't the one who actually split his soul.

@Ruby Rosepetal Yes, I did, in a way.  My inspiration actually was Voldemort's horcruxes....

I prefer if it turns out Grogar pushed Luna into snapping by speaking to her as some voice/
Like no brainwashing/corruption but telling her stuff that made her be consumed by negative emotions that made her awaken the darkness that sleeps within her.
Like needing her dark powers to awaken for some plan.

Bunny_Dawn brilliant theory, Bunny Dawn!


It would be cruel to leave them in that state forever. Yes, they maybe villains but deep down they can still be turnt good. Discord was literally the god of chaos till he switched over. There is a definite possibility that maybe one day we will get a comic where they all have sweet redemption for their actions.


This ties into a larger theory I have, but: All generations of MLP are one timeline, with FiM being chronologically first.

Grogar was banished to the Dark Dimension. At some point, the entire City of Tambelon is also banished to the Dark Dimension. Grogar takes over the city, and then 500 years after FiM, Grogar comes back in the 1980's story 'The Return of Tambelon.'


I like all this theories it really keeps our imagination going wild but as great as they are we gotta face the facts that season 9 was really the final season which really makes me sad unless someone with alot of money keeps the mlp spirit alive and the story going


I agree with the theory that Grogar was trapped inside the bell because I heard the scream too and it sounded like it could’ve belonged to Grogar and other than Grogar being dead that was the only explanation that made sense to me.


Well, we actually don't know if Discord isn't more powerful than the elements. The key thing to point out about the times he turned to stone was; he didn't fight back. He was so overly confident in the elements not working that he decided not to use his magic. As well, we have seen that Discord is able to do things that I am quite certain the elements can't do. So Discord's power could very well be strong enough to keep the villains in stone for a very long time.


Difference between EoH and discord stone spell is that spell from EoH is more immune to the breaking from outside, but give it time and it's fall apart. But spell from discord is more breakeble    from outside, but if someone break it, it won't wear of by time.


I think that Grogar is out there too. I wonder if he might be the main antagonist for the movie next year. I have him as the main villain in my big fanfic project. Speaking of which Brony Notion, I may have sent a message to you on fimfiction wondering if you could do a reading on one of my others.

Edit. No wasn't you.


As much as I wanna believe the banishment spell theory, if Grogar really came back around season 10 then I feel like Twilight would've put his defeat in stained glass in the throne room. So unless we just didn't see him, then he might be a villain in G5.


Maybe Grogar will someday truly return in a new MLP series and instead of freeing the evil trio, He'll find new allies to join with, like the cat woman Catrina, or the cloud wizard Arabus, or maybe even the witches from the volcano of gloom.  Just some thoughts.  And I definitely think that Discord would not try anything treacherous, like making a evil gang again, since he faced the consequences for that.  And I truly believe he had a change of heart in the end of the series.


Just a theory, was Chrysalis in Tartarus? We see Cerberus leave in the twilight time travel episode, and she appears about 3 episodes later.

@AiKrew of course not, she would've escaped at that point.

@T- 115 That's not what I read in the comics, What I read was that they... Oh, wait no - nevermind, the comic I read was AFTER the wedding, not before she came to canterlot.

Golden ETN well the changelings would of probably ate love  before the wedding so maybe some of them turned to ponies and these ponie’s friends must of told them about it i mean come on it is a royal wedding in canterlot so of course a lot of people will talk about it

According to the comics, she was stuck in a volcano

Cookie Catz how did she know about the wedding a lot of planning must’ve happened. She couldn’t have done that in Tartarus

Golden ETN or, they somehow did survive by feeding, then once the dog guard (forgot his name) was out, since there’s lots of them, they somehow broke the cage or helped chrysalis get out. It also makes sense since that’s why she got out so quick compared to Tirek. Then with her army, she immediately went in for the wedding to finally eat.

Blake Peters no because the Hive would have probs died of without her she’s the queen


Well discord escaped because the magic keeping him in stone had weakened due to the new bearers of the elements plus the CMC argument on the field trip. So I think the only time they’d be able to escape is when one of the mane 6 dies and their element is no longer attached to their soul.


The only problem that Tirek, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow have been stoned is that these were shipping to Cobra Commander.


Cozy glow for me is a mystery, we don’t know anything about her because joining the school of friendship I would love to learn more about her which is why I think that MLP is not over yet. And also when you look at the last episode when twilight and spike are going through the magazine you can see that cozy glow and the other where freed from their punishment.


I honestly think Grogar may have been melded into the Shadow realm and cannot leave it. Best he can do is gentle pushes and hopefully some entity is foolish enough to pull the shadow realm into the pony one.

Though I think the Pony of Shadows is the next big problem. In the MLP: FIM series, Shadows and Darkness have always been the looming danger and there is multiple hints in that. On top of that Season 10 is being written by the person that did Nightmare Knights...


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See guys He isnt dead, he just started to post regularly
He died two years ago

The thumbnail is talking about the mean 3.

The fourth generation of mlp has not ended yet!


If they came back it would be if discord broke the spell or died, because whenever he came back when he first broke out of the stone, it was because the elements of harmony were no longer linked to the sisters Celestia and Luna, so the spell would only be broken if discord died or he lost his magic or he broke the spell on purpose or on accident


Actually, Discord only started to free when Celestia and Luna broke their magic ties to the elements and since it was their spell and not Twilight's it, it couldn't maintain power. And, even then, the stone only started to crack when he was nearby a form of disharmony when the Cutie Mark Crusaders were fighting among themselves. I think he absorbed the negative energy and broke out of a spell that was only fraying because the connection that made it was gone. So, I don't think it's fair to assume the stone spell on the three villains will fall apart like Discord's did unless Celestia and Luna, or even Discord eventually die of old age because that will be the only time their spell will begin to fray without them there. But, it's proven that alicorns age insanely slowly as proven in the show's memories, and there's no guarantee draconaques (still don't know how to spell it) age at all so that may be centuries of imprisonment before the villains come back


I can't wait to see what you do with the newest generation of the MLP series.


I think elements of harmony are stronger, but when it comes to turning into stone discord is stronger


Chrys, Cozy and tirek were such a good team with great chemistry they deserve a spin off show. Them being turned to stone seemed anticlimactic

Since then...comics... Chrysalis breaking out..... intriguing 👀


Hey Notion, here’s a crazy thought. Remember that Arimaspi in season 5 where Rainbow & Pinkie went to Griffinstone for a friendship mission? What if Grogar became that Arimaspi when his bell was taken & his magic ran wild on him? Since he is “the father of monsters”, that he accidentally turned himself into 1 when his bell was taken?


ehh, when you said "history has proven the elements of harmony to be more powerful than discord", that reminded me of your recent theory on discord himself
it could be possible that with their balanced powers, it could have fully put a stop to the trio's evil doings, and turned them into stone
that doesnt stop me from thinking grogar is still out there tho, since i feel like if he was dead, then the bell's magic would have faded away long, long ago.


But chaos helped free Discord the first time. Plus he is more powerful then the 3. Cozy Glow definitely wouldn’t be able to escape, if they took all of Tirek’s magic, he wouldn’t be able to escape, and Chrysalis, she wouldn’t be able to escape without her hive, maybe.


I do hope that the upcoming season 10 comics will bring in the real Grogar.

Cause he’d be the first true challenge for Twilight as Equestria’s ruler.


I have a theory as to what happened to Grogar's Bell after the villains were defeat, the theory being that it's a possibility that maybe the bell was rehidden or it they could of stored it away among other magical artifact, at least that's my theory.

I think the bell was likely returned to its hiding place but with a few Discord messures to ensure it remains unreachable by the villionus trio, so long as the bell is out of Pinkie Pie's horse shoes, its ok

In the 80'S if I remember correctly that rainbow laser has purification powers so if it's the same power the bell is no longer evil.

compirate - don’t forget the sword in the stone and the secret ingredient to the crabby patty.

It's right next to the Infinity Gauntlet in the cave!

Maybe they hid it the same way they hid that old book from  inspiration manifestation. So that a clueless chiald can find it again and screw up things. We hv seen such decisions on this show

There is a season 10 ep 1 that is basically the finale but with more information. Search there

@Sawtooth Waves Well like i said it's a possibility that's what happened to Grogar's bell after the Legion of Doom's defeat, i mean that's what i would of done with the bell either rehide or store it away.

i wish they addressed what they did with it


Yes they will come back because the spell will where off so of course that Twilight and her friends will stop them because friendships is magic and it is powerful of all magic.

By that point only Twilight would still be alive like Celestia and Luna


makes me think about the darkness/shadows that was pulled away from stygian was pretty much alive. wonder if that will come back too.


You know, it's possible Grogar couldn't ever restore his magic. From what's I've seen, only mythical creatures in the show can utilize the magic in their bodies (i.e. unicorns, dragons, Kirin, and whatever the hell Discord is) But Grogar isn't a magical creature. He's a goat. So, it's more likely all his magic came solely from his bell which has shown a strong ability to steal and give magic. But, if Gusty stole his bell, then she likely used it to steal all the magic he had before sealing it away. Not to mention it was sealed in a barrier so strong it took a demon and a changeling to make just a tiny window to get the bell inside. With Grogar working alone, he could never have broken in and gotten his bell back ever. Which may have been his only source of magic. Without it, he likely would have recovered the magic easily, but had no way of utilizing it. So, I think it's more likely he was imprisoned (may have broken out, who knows but had no way of getting his bell back and eventually died of old age as a powerless goat


I know this is a pretty old video. But i think it would be fantastic if you linked this theory with the newest mlp lore with the artifacts twilight sparkle made. I think it could explain a lot about why the tribes separated again


Grogar, Tirek, Chrysalis, Cozy Glow. They will return soon enough. I can feel it in my horseshoes.

@The Greeter technically in the credits or artwork of the credits,the storm kings eyes are moving.

Noah Maldonado but not Storm King cuz that dude is dead

Noah Maldonado I’m pretty sure Sombra was killed and the Storm King was also killed


I’m honestly sad that the show just had to end at s9 and not a full s10 and I really wanted to see the real grogar


I’ve been thinking, if they turned a child to stone, wouldn’t that stunt their growth? I mean, that could also imply that they would die of starvation or dehydration but still. And if chrysalis’s wings are like a bugs, wouldn’t they basically break from the stone?


that can be an idea for the next movie, cozy Chrissy and tiereck come out of the stone maybe a 1000 or more years later (either through Grogar or the spell wearing off) and twilight being the only element left has to find a way to stop them without her friends.

she could find new bearers or uses her grief as a stepping stone to defeat them by herself

Or maybe even twilight dies or disappears (sorrow from losing her friends) before the 3 awaken and when they do, they find a vulnerable Equestria without an alicorn to lead it, take over and the races all have to ban together to fight these super powered villains

Or the producers would probably take the easy way out and have them reformed and help the fight against Grogar

I dont know just thought


They might have actually killed him and used his bones to build Tartarus. That would make a lot of sense for the final fate of the first and greatest of all evils that Equestria ever faced.


I think because discord could get out of his statue form is because when the CMC were fighting they kind of created chaos if u think about it.🙂

That was probably Discored reaching out in order to cause a bit of chaos weakening his bonds. Because the elements and everything mlp really is built on harmony.

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And discord fades without chaos the statue just slowed his decaying <br>And the CMC gave him chaos to give him physical form

And discord fades without chaos the statue just slowed his decaying
And the CMC gave him chaos to give him physical form

Yes, stone turning spell from EoH after time wear off, then you need impuls and boom          you are free

I thought that at first but, I believe it was because elements of harmony were given to Twilight and her friends, so I think the spell wore off because of that.

Well yes if so then oh my gosh if you think about it if idk some children came around the corner one could use there power of magic against others like fight and the other try to lead them forcing full and one bring others to fight for him or her that is possible in that case the villains might come back.


Maybe he came back during that big gap you mentioned and was defeated by Flurry Heart or the others? Like you said, we'll never know for sure unless it happens in the comics.


Maybe they should be put in room where it kept repeating how friendship is good as they can still hear (like starlight did in cutie map so they agree to join them)


Since Discord was released, one thing I think everypony has glanced over was the fact that Celestia says "Now that the Elements [of Harmony] are no longer connected with Luna and I, the spell has run out" meaning that all it really needs for The Villain Sibling Trio to be released is for Discord to either lose his magic for the 3rd time, or for Discord to stop existing entirely, and unless somepony convinced him into normalcy, I don't think that's gonna happen.


I just wish the creators of my little pony would make more so that you could have more to go off of


It's so good to see yet another video from you Brony Notion i love it, it's just what i needed after a boring day like this,  and as always you make have some interesting theories and made some valid points that's what makes your theory vids so great.


The only thing that released discord was chaos (his main goal) happening near him with the cmc getting in a fight next to him so I think if a friendship ends (because the the  mean threes goal was to drag ponies apart) the mean three would get released.


Quick "self-canon" comparing tirek with grogar wont help, tirek gets his power from consumption, grogar (who is way more powerfull) had his power ripped from him. without the bell, recharging that amount of power would take a long time, or like grogar said in S9E1 "I spend millennia waiting to recover" or something like that but I gues you see my point


Sorry for a long comment, I'm just spewing out theories that keep brewing:

I just wanna know where the new generation lives, like you would think they would live somewhere close by, or maybe not? Maybe they live further away because if they can't even trust other tribes, how can they trust other species? I doubt that all the unicorns and earth ponies are present in those villages, as we see a whole city full of pegasi. That leads me to believe that if the whole of each tribe ARE present, it's because some villain came to conquer equestria, and there are just more of the pegasi because they could away the easiest. I doubt it was the windigos, as they never appear in the movie throughout all the fighting. But there may have been something. What if they are living in equestria but all other species ceased to exist. I feel like that is a stretch and I hope that the tribes find old books on the unity of the species, and seek them out, only to find out that there has been ponies living together in unity  since they left. Or at least the other species, and not knowing what ponies are, rediscover canterlot and everything else in between, and I don't know, FINDING THE GRAVES OF THE PRINCESSES. ARE WE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW THERE ARE ZERO GRAVES IN EQUESTRIA? Anyways, maybe they will reopen things, or everything is still running, they just never found out it existed. The only thing is, what about Twilight? The current tribes obviously know she exists, or used to. Maybe that will set them off wanting to know more about the pony who saved all their tribes.


it still bothers me what they did to the trio of villans...
Discord more than  anyone,knows full well what Aware-petrification is like...it seems uncharacteristically cruel,even for him....
the only thing that would change my mind is if it was not eternal and it was actually planned that they eventually be released.


it seems very plausible that the 3 villains, with or without the help of Discord or Grogar, could be released from that stone prison, especially when you remember that all it took for Discord, was 1 moment of chaos in his presence! What's to say a moment of disharmony or arguing won't release those 3?

I do agree that the timespan between the coronation and the final moment leaves a HUGE gap of possible answers that we will never know, unless the creators does a QnA lol. So they could definitely have defeated Grogar and heck, even the 3 villains at least once more!


Ok so what I learnt in this video is that sawtooth waves found all the clues about grogar in some of the seasons or episodes and that the last clue to solve the history of grogar was in the last season


It's plausible I'll have to do my own research on the subject but I think they could get free somehow, discord's release was caused so cozy,cryisalis and tirek's freedom could be caused


I can try to argue that the element of harnony part lost connection with the spell (season 2 episode 1 )


The three villains can stay encased in stone because their final defeat serves to end their threats for good to ensure that they'II never return. I hope you understand despite theories.


I have a theory that the spell used is much diffrent from when discord was turned to stone. Because the forst time was used through the elements of harmony but the one used in season 9 is by natural magic not friendship magic so there might be a difference between the two spells.

When the sisters used the elements, it wasn't quite the same as when the mane six did, since it wasn't really a friendship thing, but since they figured out that the elements are just symbols, it could be that the magic of friendship was also used there

well the spell used on the three is called the stone sleep spell


He's right, Somewhat after twilight's coronation, Grogar Could have come back during that time. They could have fought during that timeline.


Discord in my opinion is the only smart and strong villain. This dude can break the rules of reality and bend the laws of physics and all of that chaotic stuff. If the three manage to escape, he probably would’ve gotten them just within a snap of his claws or paws. Like he’s previously quoted before, people always leave out Discord when it comes to powerful figures. Have ya seen how he fought King Sombra? He was just casually taking a walk and snapping his fingers to Sombra’s powers. <br>I know people will comment about Tirek and all but Discord actually knows better this time. Pretty sure he’s going to end Tirek before he even blinks.

Discord in my opinion is the only smart and strong villain. This dude can break the rules of reality and bend the laws of physics and all of that chaotic stuff. If the three manage to escape, he probably would’ve gotten them just within a snap of his claws or paws. Like he’s previously quoted before, people always leave out Discord when it comes to powerful figures. Have ya seen how he fought King Sombra? He was just casually taking a walk and snapping his fingers to Sombra’s powers.
I know people will comment about Tirek and all but Discord actually knows better this time. Pretty sure he’s going to end Tirek before he even blinks.


What if while Chrysalis was free she laid some eggs somewhere in the castle so that if something went wrong, she would have someone free her somewhere down the line


The reason discord got out the first time is because the elements switched holders they actually said as much in the episode introducing discord


<b>Heroes always get remembered but legends never die!</b>

*Heroes always get remembered but legends never die!*


They Can Be Free And Go There Own Ways And Meet Again And Maybe Meet The Real Grogar This Time


The reason why discord was freed was because the elements of harmony lost there connection to the sisters of sun and moon


Its been a year... I dont think he's coming back. This was a fun video to watch tho !!🙂


If anything turning them in the stone for that one is only gonna make them Even in real life prisoners that are released from prison end up being worse in the long run and solitary confinement can make you hallucinate


I believe if Grogar is coming back he is waiting until the main six and elements of harmony. So that there will be less resistance.


To be honest if they do come back whoever embodies the elements at the time better be prepared, speaking of the elements if 3 powerful and dangerous villains can be break free it’s entirely within the realm of possibility for the elements to come back perhaps even stronger than they were originally I mean we’ve seen it happen with the Crystal Heart and all that took was a relic reconstitution spell combined with something that could make it stronger and yes I know the elements were ultimately just symbols, but who says they have to stay that way as a whole brought a lot of villains down in both worlds and who’s to say they shouldn’t have individual powers that the others don’t, and even then why not bring them back if not as just a reminder plus the tree keeping the forest in line was a nice touch so yeah there’s that, besides the elements have seen quite a lot of important events so just forgetting them isn’t exactly ideal historically speaking


the best thing about the show being over is there is no set canon in the future. So the MLP YouTuber could be canon.


Maybe when they get out of being stone, they'll make harmony with Twilight and the others and it finally gets normal again.


Honestly, I think a scenario where Grogar was sealed away, and was able to view the world.  When he got his opportunity to escape, he did, laid low, and kinda, stayed.  I imagine that he is just somewhere with a garden thanos style and it’s under the impression of ‘what’s the point?’  Either he stays out of trouble, or he causes trouble and gets a forceful taste of the rainbow.

Heck I could see it more as he’s just old and tired, and cranky.  When he finds out about the imposter is when he gets angry, and shows up in court to complain.

'Either he stay out of trouble or he causes trouble and get a forceful taste of the rainbow'

Luna; fear the rainbow
Celestia; taste the rainbow
Discord; Skittles


I think that the huge jump between united species and the newer generation (no longer United) is a result of the three (and possibly the real Gorgor). If they worked together the chaos would be enough to divide twilight's hard work of uniting the species


I wonder what an actually good Discord would be like. I don’t think the concept of chaos is evil, the good version would be like Pinkie Pie. A helpful chaos would be developmental conflict or positive change.


I think they're going to get turned into not snowing again because the elements of harmony are powerful than discord so they're probably not gonna be trapped for that long and Kroger might have the spirit of him so he might free them


Discord was freed from stone because the elements were no longer connected to the sisters, so if the mane six didn't become the new bearers of the elements, discord never would have been freed.


I always interpreted it as Discord’s imprisonment was weakened by the passing of the elements from the two sisters to the mane six and the CMC were the final kick to free him. Meaning the spell didn’t break on its own or off of a time limit. However, we’ve seen from S8 Ep21 (I think?) that a stone sleep spell exists separately from the elements. So even in this interpretation of Discord’s release, it’s very possible that this spell would eventually come undone. ...Then again, with Discord out of the way and Nightmare Moon presumingly being released by Celestia I can’t think of any other concrete examples of banishment spells that .... huh. I can’t think of any other banishment period. I guess under these presumptions we just don’t know how long banishing spells really last for. Either way I agree and bet those three would eventually be released one way or another, because as you said, no one’s ever really gone. Just some thoughts! Love your content!

Thought it was the spell began to weaken due to the sisters lost the ability to use the Elements after the NMM fiasco happened a thousand years ago?

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Problem is that, aside from it not being directly canon in any way aside from word of God, it doesn't make any sense in context of the entire show, especially after Faust left.

If we assume that Celestia freed Nightmare moon because she thought Twilight would save Luna, what was she doing in the Nightmare Moon timeline we see in the Cutie  Re-mark?

Celestia still let Luna free despite having absolutely no way to defeat her, and lost control of all Equestria, before getting herself imprisoned on the moon forever?

Never mind the prophecy that this explanation would imply she somehow wrote and planned way ahead of time.

Things get pretty convoluted.

Yep. I said presumably since it might not technically be considered cannon since Faust has left the show, but since it seems to regard information from when she was still heavily involved in the show (the first episode of the series XD) I assumed it was probably accurate.

Oh yeah that, it was stated by Lauren Faust in a Twitter discussion Dr. Wolf made a video about it. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2LTHabGT8U

Seems legit but I don’t remember celestia freeing nightmares moon

Hold on, since when did Celestia release Nightmare Moon?

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Sawtooth :history repeats itself.look closely! The pillars relics created a rift for shadow play to escape, the student 6 relics were used by cozy glow and remove magic and unknowingly to release grogar


Isn't Discord a/the spirit of Chaos? And wouldn't he get a boost in power when Chaos of any kind strikes?
Isn't the CMC fighting kinda the reason he got out the first time (the second the elements were used to free him right?)?
My point being the three aren't any sort of spirit/enbodyment of anything really just a bug, a kid and a red 'n black Man-Horse/Pony with Daddy issues...


Ya know, Maybe his magic got sealed into the bell. So, all of his magic is gone. O O F


At the end of the show they closed the book like at the beginning they opened the book which started the show so that means the show has officially ended but if their was a different ending I would say there would be new villain plus a look at where grogar went but if grogar came back if you followed the timeline he wouldn’t be in an episode until season 13


Re: The Villain 3 in stone:<br>I don't know if comparing Discord hearing what happened as well as breaking out is fair to use as far as those 3 are concerned.  Discord's magic is on a completely different wavelength compared to those three, as seen by the fact that they couldn't control his powers when they had it (Tirek when he ate it probably just absorbed the strength of Discord's magic but couldn't figure how to use the abilities).  That coupled with the fact that the three were depowered by the final rainbow laser, meaning their own abilities wouldn't be that strong anymore (save maybe Chrysalis' shapeshifting) and I would think their stay in stone has more permanence than Discord's

Re: The Villain 3 in stone:
I don't know if comparing Discord hearing what happened as well as breaking out is fair to use as far as those 3 are concerned.  Discord's magic is on a completely different wavelength compared to those three, as seen by the fact that they couldn't control his powers when they had it (Tirek when he ate it probably just absorbed the strength of Discord's magic but couldn't figure how to use the abilities).  That coupled with the fact that the three were depowered by the final rainbow laser, meaning their own abilities wouldn't be that strong anymore (save maybe Chrysalis' shapeshifting) and I would think their stay in stone has more permanence than Discord's

Honestly I thought the same thing. The reason, I believe, Discord escaped in the first place wasn't because of Celestia's spell wearing off. If you pay attention to the beginning of the episode, students are touring the castle garden. We see Apple Bloom, Scootaloo, and Sweetie Bell arguing and fighting over what the word discord means. Then we see that the stone on Discord cracks. He can hear things even when trapped in stone. My theory is that chaos of any kind fuels Discord's magic, and thus, over possible years of people passing by and chaos surrounding Equestria, the Cutie Mark Crusaders we're likely the last straw that gave him the remaining strength to break free. His magic functions differently than the main 3 villains, and so, it's very likely that this spell would have trapped them in stone, forever. That's at least my theory on it. :)

This, this right here is definitely all true. It makes way more sense than a lot of the other speculation I've seen.

Also took like thousand years for Discord to even have the strength to break himself out


I just want chrysalis back. She's the only villain apart from discord that I actually liked


I think it was permanent but discord relies on chaos to live so when the cmc were creating chaos near him and I think that's how he got free however the villains could be freed but under different circumstances but now that I think of it discord said togeather forever. Saying that this will be permanent  and also where was discord when cozy glow almost took over exuestria if he helped in school raze cozy would have been in Trouble big time


can we just appreciate how cute Chrysalys can be tho?<br>like that little trot she did in "The mean six" (is that what that episode was called? idr)

can we just appreciate how cute Chrysalys can be tho?
like that little trot she did in "The mean six" (is that what that episode was called? idr)


i have a theory on why i think the celestia, luna and discord spell is permanent.... when discord was first free from the statue celestia stated that her bond with the elements where gone... thus this means that the spell was no longer effective since we know that the elements only work with bond..... it is also known that alicorns and discord himself are eternal beings.... since the princesses represent a certain magic.... so i belive that crystalis, tyrek and cozy glow will be a permanent one since there are 3 parties in this spell and there are no need for a bond for this spell to work


Is everyone forgetting about the crystal ball discord used when he was disguised as Grogar. Maybe that has Grogar's soul trap in it because it was the only thing besides the bell that belongs to Grogar and it's the only thing left in his lair we all know that there are bunches of artifacts along Equestria plus the professors and council Starlight even set up a scavenger hunt with artifacts oh I almost forget to introduce myself I'm Cinnamon Cookie student at Twillight's school of magic anyways got to go it time for our field trip to end good luck against the evil Coppa and remember to keep calm and carry on and also friendship is magic!

@Kitty Cat Given Discord's abilities, it's possible that the Crystal Ball wasn't even real.

I was just curious, but does anybrony remember that there was a tale of Grogar during G3?<br>In G3, Grogar's spell, without ponies to supply the mana for, sent Grogar to the stars.

I was just curious, but does anybrony remember that there was a tale of Grogar during G3?
In G3, Grogar's spell, without ponies to supply the mana for, sent Grogar to the stars.

@Gacha band I drifted off while reading it XD

@Herpderp oh, right, ok I know what you mean now

@Audrey B Right at the end where they starting writing as what I'm guessing is their pony OC.

@Audrey B I think it showed up at the end of this comment chain's 'base comment'... Also, didn't know that we had two 'authors' in the batch, because those are some pretty awesome/unique theories

@Herpderp wait, role-playing? I may just be a bit dense since I just woke up, but where is the role-playing? If you don't mind me asking

Why did that go from theorizing to to roleplaying?

Can we just take a moment to realize just how friggin OP discord is. He can do practically anything he wants, and his magic is so powerful only he knows how to use it without it consuming and corrupting himself. Probs my fav character of this show

@Kauzu Zeon I can and it's an amazing theory in my opinion, just wanted to say

Can anyone read the bottom part of my theory cuz I can't.

I agree with your're statement. But that might not be the only thing. Grogar may or may not have transferred his own soul into the crystal ball so that he can slowly regain his power that he had once lossed when he was fighting against gusty the great and the ponies. To further back this up we know that Gusty the great had stolen his bell which caught him of guard and gave the ponies the upper hand to bring him down for Gusty to preform some sort of banishing spell but before he/she could Grogar teleport out or had one of his beast interrupt the banishing spell. This would allow Grogar enough time to flee back to where he had hid his crystal ball. He then transferred his being into the crystal ball to regain his strength. If Grogar created the crystal ball and he's as smart as he seems in the mlp universe then he would create a back up plan in case he had ran out of energy and his bell was stole or if he sustained enough damage to the point where he cannot heal himself like losing an limb. If Grogar really did do this then he could have been waiting in the crystal ball because the ponies may or may not of told Gusty about what had happen and ran /teleport towards his base. Grogar would be in his crystal ball so he could not defend himself so all gusty needed to do was to seal him in.And to make sure that Grogar could break out with his own magic Gusty bonded her magic with the magic of the ball as a precaution. As for when Cosy glow sucked most of the magic in Equestria the order was as follows, Ponies, Creatures, and finally Artifacts. As the third day was setting it didn't suck up the rest of magic so Gusty's spell would still be strong enough to keep grogar contained. All Grogar needs is that someone extremely powerful like I don't know discord to set him free. The inside of the crystal ball may or may not be it's own realm. I don't see why that Discord the lord of chaos cannot free him. Some new villain may find discord's weakness, witch is his love for fluttershy and threaten to kill her if discord didn't released Grogar. So that's my theory of pf Grogar  will return.

Wow this seems pretty legit will have to wait and see


I think that the young six might have beaten Grogar, because we know that they beat some beast, as depicted by the glass window in twilight's throne room.


The best way to defeat a villain is making them your friend


They better make a spin off of this show


5:24 that shot of the Mean Three reminded me of the body discoveries in Danganronpa🤣


Actually, Celestia said that the spell had been broken because she (and Luna) weren't connected to the elements any more, so the stone spell on cozy glow and the other villans will only break if the mane six stop being connected to the elements, which probably won't happen.


True!
Unless Princess Twilight, sent the statue to limbo.
Grogar could've been turned to stone and then smash, that's what happened to the Storm King.
Idk really....


Question do you think the show would work without the villains


no villain from MLP is never really gone cuz they dont get rid of them. and tbh they just seal them somewhere expecting them not to escape. if they want to get rid of the villain they need to kill or turn them good.


Of the three, my gut says Chryssy is the most likely to become reformed, but not without a LOT of work. Cozy Glow is a clinical sociopath that sees people as things to manipulate rather than, well, people. Listen to her Season 8 Finale monologue about Friendship = Power if you don't believe me. That is not the mindset of a normal, well-adjusted child. If you told me that she's a Self-Made Orphan I would believe you without a second's thought. Tirek is... Tirek. But Chrysalis? Given her original motivation was for the good of her Hive, even if she was wrong in the execution? That is already something for the philosophy of Harmony to be built on. And what's even better from a Doyalist standpoint is the narratively fasctinating obstacle anyone writing that story has to hurdle:

"Why should [she] have anything to do with Friendship, when it was Friendship that took everything from [her]?"

Yeah, the Season Six finale, where Chrysy was shown to be wrong in the most spectacular way possible, and had her entire hive overthrow her - after centuries of labor, toil, and sacrifice - for an otherwise unremarkable Drone that had gone AWOL. In the episode Frenemies, Chrysalis' rejection of the in-coming Friendship Epiphany was the most visceral, the most Brain Stem Depth kneejerk reaction of the three, with Cozy and Tirek being more of generic disgust.

In order for the Queen to accept Friendship, she has to deal with the trauma - however inadvertent and justified - she is apparently suffering from, and overcome it. And that I find extremely fascinating as a story concept: Twilight and her Friends having to solve a Friendship Problem when it is Friendship Itself that is the problem.

Obviously it's not something the writers were ever going to address on a kid's show. And the comics' writing has been rather notorious in how Hit-or-Miss it is. But that's what Fanfiction is for!

Of the three, my gut says Chryssy is the most likely to become reformed, but not without a LOT of work. Cozy Glow is a clinical sociopath that sees people as things to manipulate rather than, well, people. Listen to her Season 8 Finale monologue about Friendship = Power if you don't believe me. That is *not* the mindset of a normal, well-adjusted child. If you told me that she's a Self-Made Orphan I would believe you without a second's thought. Tirek is... Tirek. But Chrysalis? Given her original motivation was for the good of her Hive, even if she was wrong in the execution? That is already *something* for the philosophy of Harmony to be built on. And what's even better from a Doyalist standpoint is the narratively fasctinating obstacle anyone writing that story has to hurdle:

"Why should [she] have anything to do with Friendship, when it was Friendship that took *everything* from [her]?"

Yeah, the Season Six finale, where Chrysy was shown to be wrong in the most spectacular way possible, and had her entire hive overthrow her - after *centuries* of labor, toil, and sacrifice - for an otherwise unremarkable Drone that had gone AWOL. In the episode Frenemies, Chrysalis' rejection of the in-coming Friendship Epiphany was the most visceral, the most Brain Stem Depth kneejerk reaction of the three, with Cozy and Tirek being more of generic disgust.

In order for the Queen to accept Friendship, she has to deal with the trauma - however inadvertent and justified - she is apparently suffering from, and overcome it. And *that* I find extremely fascinating as a story concept: Twilight and her Friends having to solve a Friendship Problem when it is Friendship Itself that is the problem.

Obviously it's not something the writers were ever going to address on a kid's show. And the comics' writing has been rather notorious in how Hit-or-Miss it is. But that's what Fanfiction is for!


I have a theory: Grogar's return is what caused the magic in Equestria to go away, as we see in MLP: the fifth generation! Please make a video on this!


Actually, I believe the only reason Discord broke out is because the spell wore off. It was shown Celestia and Luna used the elements of harmony on Discord, but after defeating Nightmare moon, the elements got linked to the mane 6, so the elements weren't linked to the royal sisters which is why the spell wore off.


Maybe Grogars return is the Reasoning behind the Loss of unity and Magic in G5.


4:20
Discord was able to escape because the magic that contained him disappeared when the sisters lost their connection to the elements. As long as discord is alive and has his magic, those three will be together

Thats why he says "you will stay together forever"


The answer might be in the stained glass windows in the last episode. While twilight is walking around the throne room with luster dawn, you can see 4 new windows. One of the mane 6’s cutie marks and at the bottom cozy, chrysalis, and tirek, the next is of the student six defeating something that looks like... a hippo? Whatever. The next is of Flurry Heart, grown up doing something. The last is cut off a bit, but you can see one very recognizable pony. Sweetie Belle! I wonder if her and the other CMC will have something to do with this.


Theory alert I may have the reason Luster Dawn thought the mane six weren’t close anymore GROGAR! So maybe soon after Twilights coranation grogar returned and after the main six faced him they decided to retire for a more quiet life doing things the always wanted to Applejack running the farm maybe fluttershy expanded her sanctuary rarity grew her fashion industry and more splitting the mane six apart for a while apart from their council meetings of course 🥳


4:22
But celestial said that since the elements of harmony isn't connected to her and Luna, discord was able to get out. And by the looks of it the mane 6 is still connected to the elements of harmony so it wouldn't fade away


The princesses didn't have the elements, just discord, and Twilight could've taught Discord a permanent stone spell because the elements were destroyed by sombra. JUST A THEROY


I love that you talk about groger before he got infected after the bell 🔔  was stolen


Discord is WAY more powerful than Cozy Glow, Tirek, and chrysalis. And I am pretty sure Discord went full power on them, so he probably turned their essence to stone with backup spell power from the two princesses.


Well I think when all the villains are free from Stone I think they're going to get something to go in the future and ruin everything and then go back to the past and hide

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One thing to note is that on a normal occasion the Magic of Friendship would’ve probably destroyed whatever evil artifact the villains were using but this time it only managed to turn the Bell off. Implying that Grogar’s magic could potentially be as (if not more) powerful than the Magic Of Friendship.


Well
Canonically, Grogar was sent to the shadow realm in MLP generation 1 (MLP has 4 generations including the toy comics)
And the only thing we know about that realm in the new generation is that it's impossible to get out unless someone from the normal realm opens a door to get you out


Maybe this could turn 2 ways: after a long time and reflecting, they came to their ways and realized it's better to be good and stuff.. OR THEY COME BACK AND THIS TIME GET VERY CLOSE TO TAKING OVER EQUESTRIA idk


there is also the possibility that sombra will return again and this time i think that he will be reformed he was reformed in the comics so it makes no sense that he was not reformed in the tv show


It’s sad that we will never know :( because the series has come to the end


Thing is, in "Return of Harmony", Celestia flat-out says that the only reason that the spell on Discord weakened was because her and Luna weren't tied to the Elements of Harmony anymore. However, when they turned the Mean Three into stone, the sisters and Discord used their own power. So, the Elements finding new bearers wouldn't affect the statue spell because they weren't used to cast it this time. All magic vanishing from Equestria, however, probably would...

Nope. Because Discord would still be around in the Realm of Chaos.


The elements of harmony might be stronger then Discord but Discord might be able to cast longer lasting spells


cozy glow, tirek and crystallise will break out of stone SOMEDAY when crystallise's back legs were already stone before crystallises whole body was they still moved 0_0
and if the main six and the royal sisters or anyone for that matter were to talk about plans there they would be able to hear it and that stone was in the stained glass window too so if discord could travel from window to window while he was stone then they can too and the first time luna turned into nightmare moon wasn't the last. grogar might just have been banished to the stars and if he couldn't escape of course he would aid at nightmare moons escape, because how did the legend know that she would only be released after 1,000 years? and I think grogar of course aided to her escape because stars don't have to do what legends say they can skip that page and never do it I think grogar aided to nightmare moons escape of course he would aid to her escape if he wasn't strong enough to leave he would defiantly send ANOTHER villain trapped where he was, he would send another villain to do the scheme's job and boy did she listen

when I got this idea I thought to myself we need to solve my little pony why do the things that happen in my little pony happen and when discord was talking about grogar her looked up to the sky for a second I think but since he started being good I suspect he wanted to look at the princess while he was talking swell that might be the case I don't mean to foil anyones ideas but I think this leads somewhere I've spent a few months thinking about this but I'll keep thinking and edit  this comment and thank you so so so much if you read till the end of this comment please like if you wan't :)


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Maybe Grogar will return in a new generation.


Maybe they could do something similar to Steven Universe and make a sequel series slightly different though maybe it could be called the Magic in Equestria as it would be about Twilight dealing with different things and problems that came up as she was ruler.


SECRETS AIN'T KEPT TILL THEY'RE TOOK TO THE GRAVE.

Also grogar might be why magic is gone in g5


In my imaginenation, I see my self like a pony, and reforming villains with a conversation.


Here's  a theory: the power of friendship is very strong what if the power of friendship changes them, that one time at the mountain they were FEELING the power of friendship but then Crysalis(if I'm spelling her name right )stopped the flow.


My theorie to the Stone freezing would be that: because Discord is kind of a god he probably cant be frozen in stone forever, also Discords magic was still with him all the time he was frozen but with Cozy,Crysalis and Grogar they only have a small amount of power left and could therefor most likely be Frozen in stone for very long periods of time, meaybe not forever but long enough for the ponies to go trough many Advances and make a better solution to when they break out of theyre stone prison.


I want the villains to win, and like you’ve said, it’s up to US, not them anymore!

Justice league apokoplic war: am I a joke to you

Queen Of Cute most of the time I do too but never in mlp


My Little Pony is like a mystery....<br>A never ending story......

My Little Pony is like a mystery....
A never ending story......


2:51 I mean, fluttershy crying was a punishment in its self haha


Actually the only reason discord escaped his prison was because of the fighting of the cutie mark crusaders being so close to him so as long as the statue of the evil 3 isn’t out in public they should stay there forever


They may come back but that will take a while because remember the episode that discord came but it was the negative energy that set him free so maybe somepony may accidentally set them free since Sombra broke the elements they won't be able to stop them the mane 6 may have already been dead and twilight could have passed the crown to someone else but it was never the elements that stopped villains it was the friendship between the mane 6 so if the friendship is strong enough it may be possible that the next generation could stop them
I know this isn't a good theory but I was bored

They may come back but that will take a while because remember the episode that discord came but it was the *negative energy* that set him free so maybe somepony may accidentally set them free since Sombra broke the elements they won't be able to stop them the mane 6 may have already been dead and twilight could have passed the crown to someone else but it was never the elements that stopped villains it was the friendship between the mane 6 so if the friendship is strong enough it may be possible that the next generation could stop them
I know this isn't a good theory but I was bored


Oh, I just hope mlp is back. I am watching all their shows from scratch if its the last thing I do


THANKYOU FOR POINTING OUT THAT THING DISCORD SAID ABOUT BEING IN STONE!!!!!!


Well, when discord was released before that happened at the start of the video the CMC s have a " kalos " fight next to the statue, what this is telling me that yes, they can or will be unfrozen from stone but only if the magic or power they represent is happening near with another "magic being" so for them to be bring back automatically is for a magical being to represent, growth and strength, hunger and love/not love and finally for represent Cossie Glow we would need greed etc and for all all of that emotion to happen near the statue so I don't think they will be released in the series MLP friendship is magic but in the new MLP movie a new generation since it is placed in the same world and from what we know the three tribes are separated witch means if there is to be a Gillian wanting things to stay as they are I am guess he or she will seek there help


I bet tirek will have a way to escape from stone just like he escaped from tartadus


Sense it did take Discord 1000 years or so to stop being stone, I’m estimating that they will come back in Generation 5, and also Alicorns are immortal right? Does this mean Twilight or at least any alicorn from the past could <i>still</i> be around?

Sense it did take Discord 1000 years or so to stop being stone, I’m estimating that they will come back in Generation 5, and also Alicorns are immortal right? Does this mean Twilight or at least any alicorn from the past could _still_ be around?

And also Discord should still be around.


I hope Cozy comes back, she’s my favorite.

Not fun he managed to break my power armor

No she's too dangerous and as a paladin I disagree with that and I have fought grogar

My favorite is Queen Chrysalis and I show her the upmost respect

J2xp maybe is season ten comics or the upcoming movie

@Grace It seems to me that there were going to be, but the writers 180'd half way into the season.

I hope too but I'm glad none of the  villains were redeemed. Instead of a two minutes rushed redemption they actually paid for what they did.


They need keep that show going before end it


That must suck because of your theory that Equastria lost 50% of its magic and the pony's can never get on the level of magic they used to. If the evil 3 were to be brought back would they still be at the magic level they were at?

Well i'd assume Cozy Glow would be useless withought the Alicorn Magic because there's nothing really pegasus can do despite run or dodge.

but Chrysalis and Tyrek are a different story, The chances of them losing there magic along with the current Equastria is probably more likely then them keeping there magic level before being turned to stone but it's still a possibility.


I think it's possible for Cozy Glow to not be a pony - she seems to power hungry for her age, and if her backstory is tragic, she wouldn't have remembered much of it, and she must at least have some relatives, right? I could be wrong but if she isn't a pony then she is a changeling that broke away from the hive and learned the nature of ponies, but got the ideas a bit twisted. However this wouldn't explain why she would team up with chrysalis, unless she finds it amusing


Correct Pat discord being a magical being of great power that quite possibly EMBODIES the exact opposite of harmony who can bend space and time obviously used all of his power to break out of the spell the mean 3 however are composed of a love deprived half insane changeling a old and weak centaur who cant even use his power and a evil CHILD pegasus who barely knows the first thing about curse breaking so yeah the logic is clear here. It is also possible that gusty the great used grogars bell to cast the protection spell and to sustain the spell which though not as powerful as the elements is active all the time unlike the elements who were basically stone balls for a thousand ears also grogars bell is more then powerful enough to do what i am suggesting.


3:24 all i need to confirm Sombra could appear sometimes in the future, such an underused villain, please bring my daddy back.


4:26 because the sister and the elements were not connected so I guess the spell went off


Let's talk about cozy glow the reason that she tried to get rid of all magic was she wanted power but I don't think it was just power she wanted I think she didn't have a lot of friends and I don't think the situation went out with the right way is I think she just wanted more friends but she saw everyone else being friends and she didn't have any so so that water her to drain all the magic in Equestria but I don't think banishing her was the right the right decision and neither was turned her to Stone I know that she's a really bad villain but maybe we just need to go out with her a different way than just turning her to Stone or banishing her


Theory! Cozy flow is flurry hearts hidden twin sister. She has the pink coat of cadence and the blue mane of shining. She is a Pegasus because cadence used to be a Pegasus. Perhaps her soul was born already dark (from chrysalis) so she was sent and flurry shown to be the only child.<br>Or maybe as a baby cozy was stolen by a changeling and raised by chrysalis to be evil and powerful for revenge. That’s why she became evil. I know this doesn’t really make sense but, Just a little theory.

Theory! Cozy flow is flurry hearts hidden twin sister. She has the pink coat of cadence and the blue mane of shining. She is a Pegasus because cadence used to be a Pegasus. Perhaps her soul was born already dark (from chrysalis) so she was sent and flurry shown to be the only child.
Or maybe as a baby cozy was stolen by a changeling and raised by chrysalis to be evil and powerful for revenge. That’s why she became evil. I know this doesn’t really make sense but, Just a little theory.

𝐀𝐝𝐨𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐄𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐚 🤍🎄


Grogar technically is a villain from the original version of my little pony but he does also appear in the comics


Last time I was this early a Changeling Civil War was more likely than WW3

Judging by how society is nothing is more likely than ww3

They probbaly have one before the event of To Change a Changeling. We don't know how much time have past since the even of reformed Changeling and overthrow of Chrystaliss in the hand of Changeling after Starlight Glimmer managed to conviced them using Thorax as an evidence then but Thorax did mentioned the positioned of leader was overwhelmed and in Triple Threat he also said that he had a problem with the Changeling who refused to listen to him and Ember told him how to deal with them according to a dragon way. By the time of To Change a Changeling only Pharynx was left, guess even the one who refused to accept Thorax rule were uncomfortable and unhappy with Chrystalis way and were more willing to surrender to Thorax since she were left alone the entire time until Season 9. The reformed Changeling probbaly used the nature based colour like fruit, flower, vine, leaf and plant to contrast the Chrysaliss which used black skin colour. They even decorated the entire hive with vine, plant, flower and leaf.

@The Brony Notion actually in the final episode we see the 3 villains still trapped in stone and in the same positions

I guess there might be a changeling storyline in G5. It's too soon to tell, though. Maybe an angle with Scorpan..

@Kauzu Zeon Thats some pretty deep theories XD But It makes sense XD

@Kauzu Zeon lol probably an star war happened too

@Bien G-Fan <br>Except for me because out of all of the Bronies that she can have, she chose me. Why does it always have to be me?

@Bien G-Fan
Except for me because out of all of the Bronies that she can have, she chose me. Why does it always have to be me?

This war could honestly be WW0 because the mlp universe could be on the planet Mars since there was water in that planet long ago. By long ago I mean before the dinosaurs were alive. It would make sense in a way because now that Mars is not inhabitable, this could because discord could have lossed control after Fluttershy's death since last ep of season 9 shows that the main 6 r old. The allicorns may just be the only ponies that survived. This would happen after the earth had cooled down so they could give birth to New foals but they'll case a spell to make sure they cannot use magic like how the princesses gave there magic to twilight in season 4. Now that their foals have fully grown and can not give birth they go back in time to try and stop discord but they fail and they have either died trying or got lossed in time.

@Bien G-Fan an insect queen would only need to mate once and they would be able to lay eggs for the rest of her life.

If Chrysalis returns maybe she finally starts a new hive? But since she didn't from season 6-9, maybe she needs a mate? Guess no reformed Changeling would be willing.


The reason the Royal sisters spell Didn’t last because they gave up to Elements of Harmony


I think for the comics, Sombra and Radiant Hope will return, remember how they left the Empire to find and restore the pieces of Amore?


I think Grogar will show up in a future series


Seeing as MLP is no longer going on, any theories about the Main 6 or other characters that would take place after the series ended is technically in a way true


Same could be true for the show, even though FIM is over ,people like you are what keep it alive long after it's gone. Thank you for staying!😊

@The Brony Notion also have you seen the tweet Lauren Faust made? About who freed NMM?


0:19 ... what about the Storm King? he got shattered into pieces, there's no way he could return being a bunch of tiny pieces...


It's Possible That In The Time He Was Banished, He Reformed On His Own

Unlikely, But Possible

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Actually Discord was able to break out from stone prison because the elements of harmony went from Celestia and Luna's control to the mane 6's control and the spell weakened overtime as from S1 to S2(as Celestia said in the "Return of harmony part 1")I don't think that it can happen to the mean 3 .


At 3:03 makes sense be cause after Discord lost his magic or trapped inside Grogar's bell he made a confession that HE reunited this 3 villian's and now have ALL the REAL Grogars magic so half of Grogars magic is still inside the bell, and at 4:22 and 5:06 so if Cozy,Tirek and Chrysallis here something that are similar to them like how Sweetie bell,Scootalo,Apple bloom said to Discord that are like " chaos,Evil, un-happines" he was realesed and someone does the same on this 3 villians then they are too, Thats my thought 🙂


Wow, crazy to think i been watching you for 6 years now. glad to see you doing regular videos :D


Once the 3 villains was turned into stone, they were back to life a few years later? So no one's ever really gone! Twilight thought if she turned the 3 villains into stone they will never recover again. So the only way to stop evil ponies from attacking equestria is to reform them.


I agree with your idea that the discord can hear everything but I don’t think Crystal is closed it’s low in theory because they were not turned from the elements of harmony into stone it was this chords magic so I think they are not gonna be able to hear anything


Do u think discord ever since friendship has gotten stronger, because in season 4 Tirek was able to drain his power, but now, none of them were able to take his power because they couldn’t use it because it was so chaotic, so maybe the spell could last a little longer then we believe


It’s true that discord broke out, but that was because the cmc was being chaotic and disagreeing and he’s the embodiment of chaos and disharmony. Since none of the other three are the embodiment or spirits of anything (that we know of) I don’t think the same could or will happen


I've got a theory for equestria girls, in the legend of everfree, gloriosa takes 7 crystals, from the Everfree Forest. Just like in friendship is magic. So, is sunset really an alternate element of magic, or a real 7th element?


You know what is gone for sure? A true and proper fanalie for Equestria girls. It hurts so badly.


Ah yes. The perfect trio. A burnt Swiss cheese butterfly, a demon centaur, and a <b>child.</b>

Ah yes. The perfect trio. A burnt Swiss cheese butterfly, a demon centaur, and a *child.*


I think they could reform I saw a comment like this but it depends on if the main 6 are still there when they get out of the stone cus they’re the masters at friendship and teach it best I really think they could learn but if the main six aren’t there to help what would happen


I really wouldn't see a point to get far into it, mainly because MLP itself doesn't go too deep with lore or even "what ifs". <br>   (probably except for the comics, but I don't read those so I'm not sure.🤷♂ but from bits and pieces I've seen so far, the comics aren't afraid to get deep into anything,  unlike the show.)

I really wouldn't see a point to get far into it, mainly because MLP itself doesn't go too deep with lore or even "what ifs".
   (probably except for the comics, but I don't read those so I'm not sure.🤷♂ but from bits and pieces I've seen so far, the comics aren't afraid to get deep into anything,  unlike the show.)


his theories always make absolute sense

Edit:thank you so much for all of the likes!! 😆

Except when the show debunks them... Won't have that problem anymore

True, they don't have to be correct every time, but the way he explains it, it makes sense.

but half of the time there are just guesses and what everyone else has already said. you know like the whole Discord is Starswirl theory. the other half when we watched the later senses he actually get creative with the theories he brings up.


To everyone saying that the CMC's fight in front of Discord got him out of the stone:

That is probably not the reason considering that in 1000 years it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be no chaos absolutely.  While it may not be Discord level chaos, It's still chaos. While there is a slim chance that the CMC's fight HELPED him get out it wasn't the only thing. Discord had said that he can hear and see everything that goes on around him. The chaos that he had seen and heard over 1000 years all collected up inside him helped him to get out. That chaos mixed with the limited chaos magic he can use trapped in stone helped him get out. While the little fight between the cutie mark crusaders triggered it, Discord needed more than just a couple of fillies fighting among themselves to help him get out.

I hope this made sense.

@The Greeter

Yes, That's true. But he said it himself. He would've acted more surprised when the mane 6 unleashed him from stone when telling them this. He would've known this was possible before. And even if this doesn't seem to make sense, He can still hear everything. Chaos doesn't happen without sound. Being trapped in stone for 1000 years, he'd probably be able to use some imagination and use that chaos to help him out.

I-once again- hope this makes sense.

One problem Discord had his eyes closed the first time he got turned to stone mostly from laughing


omg I am speechless  I am so astounded and btw you just gave me an idea to make something :D


Man when I saw it was Discord that was amazing but I wonder if Grogar could be out there hiding. But in my opinion Discord is the most powerful on the mlp universe. I mean he has the power to open portals to the fourth wall.


It is rare to consider "resurrection" a necromancer's bailiwick. Yes, properly, it technically falls into that school of magic, but it's not...what one would usually call somebody whose primary feats in "necromancy" involve actually bringing people back to life, whole and as they were.


Since My Little Pony ended does that mean Equestria Girls also ended?
It Equestria Girls didn’t end there is a possibility that Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chyrisalis break out if stone and enter the human world.
Kinda like when the Storm King got defeated some of his magic ended up in the human world.


Here’s a cool theory I came up about grogar and gusty. What if gusty the great was g1 baby gusty taking on revenge for being captured by g1 grogar

In g1 baby ponies often times had the same name as there mothers (lazy hasbro in the 80s) I saw clips of g1 gusty and baby gusty. One clip from what I think was the episode g1 grogar appeared. In the episode grogar first captured unicorns because for some reason as soon as the unicorns teleported baby gusty was one of the unicorns to teleport.

Later on as I believe. Baby gusty (when she was an adult) found a portal to g4 she fell right though and saw a land in parallel. Some unicorns told her that a evil ram  tyrant named grogar was running the world.  gusty remembered what happened to her and how if she listened to the others Warring she could have helped the others stop grogar. So she teamed up with other unicorns to stop him and you know the rest.


Honestly they should make a new mlp series for the next generation of children to watch


I'm hoping the comics (Season 10) can expand more on the villains. Having them work together once again, and even expand on their backstories, specially Cozy Glow, she was heavily underdeveloped for such a fun  and interesting villain, she deserves better


THERE IS A PROBLEM! since the main six are old, and he young six inexperienced due to the fact that there supposedly living in harmony, it could bring the end of Equestria. There would be no one to stop the villains, so the main six and Celestia, Discord and Luna literally set up the end of the world!! Which is very not smart for the princess. Also. <br>Since it was Discords idea, and he knows what would happen, was he setting up the aftermath on purpose? Was he trying to end the world???? Or maybe just a test?!!? What a simple one!?

THERE IS A PROBLEM! since the main six are old, and he young six inexperienced due to the fact that there supposedly living in harmony, it could bring the end of Equestria. There would be no one to stop the villains, so the main six and Celestia, Discord and Luna literally set up the end of the world!! Which is very not smart for the princess. Also.
Since it was Discords idea, and he knows what would happen, was he setting up the aftermath on purpose? Was he trying to end the world???? Or maybe just a test?!!? What a simple one!?


They could come back in G5 (if It isn’t Pony Life) Grogar and Tyrek were originally from G3.


will that be for gen 5? seems like a possibility


Ok I have a totally unrelated question: Cozy sucked all the magic out of Equestria, right? So... Why could the pegasi fly? And how come Cutie Marks didn't disappear?


Has anyone ever thought about how overpowered the changeling race is they can take the form of anything they want they can be alicorns if they want to they can even be discord if they want or can they like I guess technically they would be able to take discords form but would they have his powers? if so would they have an alicorns power if they transformed into an alicorn would a changeling that took the form of princess Celestia have the power to raise the sun everyone needs to spam sawtooth with requests to do a video anilizing the limits of changeling power


I think Cozy Glow once she unstones will still have alicorn magic she will taje the time to learn alicorn magic then use it for more danger only at the end to possibly turn good


If discord could pose as grogar  then grogar  could pose as literally anyone.


Maybe the mean 3 will be Luster Dawn's test like how Discord and Sombra are to Twilight.🤔

@Sarah Caldwell Did someone else beat me to that? I'm planning to do a 3-Way Crossover of Transformers, MLP FiM and my Legion of Hedgehogs. In which Crysalis is going to be one of the villain.

I thought it was celestia's job to make her pupils do stuff even she can't handle


y’know when you said that the time jump mane 6 in the future probably went against way stronger villains made me think, a lot.


1:06
Me: seeing the picture and hearing ‚Thanos‘ immediately tearing up Oh god... the feels... NOT AGAIN!!! I watched it just yesterday!

1:06
Me: *seeing the picture and hearing ‚Thanos‘* *immediately tearing up* Oh god... the feels... NOT AGAIN!!! I watched it just yesterday!


Actually technically Discord power thing Turn to Stone wasn't temporary he just got unstoned Because the Cutie Mark Crusaders fought like chaos and Discord it took all that fighting and made him unsone


Let’s be honest<br>If the elements of harmony didn’t exist, discord would of defeated the main six, easily

Let’s be honest
If the elements of harmony didn’t exist, discord would of defeated the main six, easily


Toss the monument into something that can melt stone like a volcano or an arc furnace and nothing is left.


Theory: does villians age when they’re turned too stone? Prob. Yes..but....think about it guys...

Foxki! The White fox[pastel queenz]KITTY FAN


Maybe grogar is in all the other villans as he gave life to them and some of him protected the bell and ended up in the bell with power ready to attack


I believe Grogar won't be a last villain, but our first. Before you get confused let me explain, Grogar could be the FIRST Villain in G5.

Could be but I think they are starting a new world with new characters, I doubt they'll keep the same villains from mlp gen4 because they like to change it up each gen but we will see.


Do you know how in the time jump episode twilight was like celestia so when celestia and luna were just made or created into allicorns they looked like twilight. She also have a long flowing Maine. But to thing that she didnt have a glittery Maine also goes back to you're old theorie of there being a pony civilization along with the artificial and non artificial allicorns. I hope you think about this because I've been thinking about it for a long time its interesting on how different twilight is.. I haven't watched the hole thing but did celestia leave twilight to rule?


Sombra may reunite with them cozy tirek and chrysalis and grogar they may destroy equestria but if discord helps the ponies it will be equal because chaos holds a special place  besides order. There may be reuniting of mane 6 pillars the pre royal princesses a huge battle may began. I cant just wait out for the next season to come out


Maybe Twilight would see this amazing video and take action  I think she would send them to Limbo because time <br>doesn't work in Limbo

Maybe Twilight would see this amazing video and take action  I think she would send them to Limbo because time
doesn't work in Limbo


Good story that tackles the villains coming back is called the ‘The Next Chapter’ written by Some Leech.


They could figure out that if discord came to a chance set that being an isolation twice taught him that friendship is better than evil that friendship will always overlap but always win Not you should just except that they're going to the side except being in finish shment it's stone for thousand more years You choose to if you choose to discord tell them that And then we would understand that not everything eve That somethings can be nice and if they're nice and they can be stronger They could be better than what they are


When listening to this I got one certain song in mine

“Cause no one’s ever lost forever when they die they go away, but they will visit you occasionally do not be afraid, no one’s ever lost forever they’re just caught inside your heart, if you garden them and water them they make you what you are”

Late reply, but please share that song's name!


When discord got free in season 2, the CMC’s were causing chaos. I presume that if you do something that represents what that villain does, it helps them grow strong

I doubt it, discord is a spirit of chaos they are not


But I think chrysalis,Tirek and Cozy Glow will return in G5


Oh yea Chysalis, tirek, and cozy glow are going to come back with a vengeance! No doubt there


Does anybody remember in the time jump episode the windows in the back may have something to do with cozy glow and the outher retern


5:16 solution...... Throw them off a cliff like the Storm King

@A fan of Cuphead fnaf and Undertale [11] But chryslis can fly to you know so 1 down 2 more to go

@A fan of Cuphead fnaf and Undertale [11] hi

Then cozy glow froz,she was still floating,but it does work for tirek and chrysalis


When discord was released there were other statues beside him would there be other statues that are alive


If it means hasbro gets to sell more toys, they most likely will bring them back


Look.. There is a simple reason why discord escaped. Discord was turned to stone with elements --> later elements were binded with the mane 6 --> old spell wore off because the elements kind of "reset themselves" to a new user.


I think they might come back on the new show


S2 discord: I don't turn ponies to stone
S9 discord: *turns a pony to stone

Edit: holy cow I came back to this comment and it has more than 400 likes?! That is just....wow

It was always a hypocritical statement because discord as a villain did just as horrible things to ponies with no remorse, he never did it because he preferred to toy with his victims instead of just simply have them in stone

Well there were only one pony
Chrysalis: AMEH
Oh two ponies and they didn't do anything,there were also 6 ponies before  and they were strong

@Andrea Martinez The sisters only broke the cupcake, the lightning turned them into stone. The lightning is what Discord used, so technically he did it by himself.

I think he mean by himself. But with help we see he can

<b>Laughing</b> RAINBOW DASH! U OWE ME 100 DOLLARS! U TOO DISCORD

*Laughing* RAINBOW DASH! U OWE ME 100 DOLLARS! U TOO DISCORD

Габріель Укр

I swear I thought you were talking about the actual Discord App


I actually have an idea on what happend to cozy, chrysalis and tirek!
so heres the thing, do you remember how they separated the pony kinds? and how discord was free'd the CMC's fighting? well, we are now introdeced to g5! but what happend between g4 and g5?
what if, a group of ponies fought near the statue of cozy, chrysalis and tirek? could that of free'd them??? if so, perhaps the villains used their time to separate the ponies once more! and... I think I might have a good idea for g6... did you notice the weird something in the background of the g5 movie when argle was painting? well, it was the bell!!! my theiroy is sunny still has it! maybe... the villains are still alive! they find it, take it! then take over the world!
and so... g6 could be  sad place where the villains rule! now, if you don't want me to end here...
maybe the g5 ponies reform them and it's a happily ever after!


I have not watched the series myself. But, a possible fan-idea is that some time after Twilight's reign (like a few decades or so) her closest friends (With the exception of spike since he's a dragon and they are usually long lived) has passed away, and in this time while she's grieving and tries to move on. Grogar (The real one) decides it's time to strike while she is vulnerable. And it could be a battle the two could wage for like a 1000 or more years. And the other villains, either have gone their separate ways (once or if they got free from being statues) or some have tried to change for the more good, or are fully under Grogar command. And the world becomes split in two. One where twilight rules a world of light and, and the other is Grogar's domain of darkness and monsters.

I am more than sure some people can come up with greater stuff than me, but that's just an idea.


Hm, so I'm not the only one that thought of that for Grogar. XD Are you reading my mind? Cause I had the second theory as a plot point for something I've been coming up with XD


Here’s an idea. Gen 5 is supposed to be set in the same world as Gen 4, where all the magic is gone. What if Grogar came back, took all the magic, and THAT’S why Gen 5 doesn’t have magic?


Discord’s release wasn’t because enough time had passed, but because there was Discord between the CMC, enough to weaken the spell. The Mane Six on their own have proven to perform better spells with the Elements than Tia and Luna. Tia couldn’t heal Luna, but the Mane Six could. The Elements gave enough Magic to Twilight to give to the HuMane 5 where Sunset Shimmer is, and later Twilight and the HuMane 5 unlocked the Magic inside of Sunset’s Human form, and the Magic just grew from there.
Also, Discord’s Magic combined with all Earth Pony, Pegasus, and Unicorn Magic Equaled 4 Alicorns worth of power, and Tirek proved just how much of an increase Discord gave him, meaning that Discord is more powerful than Tia or Luna alone, or maybe even both of them combined. Discord is well versed in many different Magics, so would be able to augment the Stone Spell.

Even if the three of them got out, if anyone is aware, then they’d call reinforcements to contain the three of them until the spell would be recast... again. Rinse and repeat until it’s meaningless.


Bruh mlp has such potential, like the comics would make such great episodes, and grogar would be a great endgame villain, also I would've loved to see the cosmos from the comics in the series


So your telling me , DISCORD IS THE STRONGEST CREATER IN EQESTRA, I MEAN HE REALEESTED HIM SELF FROM 3 FILLIES you really need to get on to this man  and he even started a war if you think about it discord new or would of known the three villens would escape after a while and be more smarter, that could push the three to start a war plus he realised sonbra this guy is op


I like to think Luster Dawn will be the one fighting Grogar.


I would like to see a theory on how thomas would work in equestria, or if it would, having magic railroad exist, thay could connect the worlds together, and they are like an alternative dimension


Discord is litteraly ludicrously overpowered, he litteraly brought Sombra back from the dead. He could imitate Grogar's magic, like seriously how strong is this guy, I'm suprised Tirek didn't grow more by consuming discord his magic.

Well uh sombra wasn't dead, as rarity said in the episode he was brought back, sombra was dispelled to the ether by the crystal heart power, discord didn't bring him back from the dead, he brought him back from being banished basically.


I wish mlp would continue in its normal way


the storm king was turned to stone and shattered. Although he could hypothetically be glued back together or something, that doesn't seem likely because that biologically makes no sense


I have a problem with what you said at 4:22 the cmc’s caused discord coming back. (His stone prison was getting weaker but) the fight that the cutie mark crusaders was the reason why he came back


Am i the only one to love the idea Flurry Heart reforming Cozy Glow in next gen?😂💕 (otp btw)

@-AEsThETic- <del>[]POP[]</del> Lol, there are at least three couples, all from season 9. Besides Lyra and Bonbon there’s Scootaloo’s Aunts and though it’s officially “left to interpretation” Applejack and Rainbow Dash are strongly implied to be a couple.

@-AEsThETic- -[]POP[]- Lol, there are at least three couples, all from season 9. Besides Lyra and Bonbon there’s Scootaloo’s Aunts and though it’s officially “left to interpretation” Applejack and Rainbow Dash are strongly implied to be a couple.

@Friend ♡ There already is. Lyra and Bon Bon were shown getting married in season 9.

Robert Stuart me loves the idea to I really want LGBTQ+ to be in my little pony! No hate peoples it’s meh opinion

I love the idea of them interacting and even Flurry Heart being critical in reforming Cozy Glow. I am lukewarm on shipping them.


Tell me why I saw on one of the seasons that discord can turn himself into stone and make himself the stone break himself and to use his and still be fine he might be able to still be alive do you know how in one of the episodes in season nine his soul still stayed in the school but his body stayed out what if discord’s body was still in stone out there and discourse soul without their causing chaos in different places


If the comic Season 10 did not exist then here's how Season 10 would look like

Episode 1-2: The Cutie Map calls the Student Six to help a Nirik
Episodes 3 to 9: Filler
Episode 10: The Cutie Map calls The Pillars to find Scorpen
Episode 15: Tirek's reform
Episode 16: The Cutie Map calls Thorax, Pharynx, Dragon Lord Ember, and Spike to reform Chrysalis
Episode 20: Chrysalis' reform
Episode 21: The Cutie Map calls Trixie, Starlight, and Sunburst to reform Cozy Glow
Episode 24: Cozy Glow's reform
Episode 25-26: Twinkle Sprinkle finds the pony who banished Grogar/Grogar's Attack
Episode 27: The Cutie Map calls Tempest Shadow and Moondancer to reform Storm King
Episode 30: Storm King's reform
Episode 31: The Cutie Map calls Discord, Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow to reform Sombra
Episode 34: Sombra's reform
Episode 35-36: The Cutie Map calls all the princesses and Shining Armor to save Flurry Heart from Grogar/ Flurry Heart's cutie mark


Your comment about Discord being a necromancer reminded me of one of my own theories;

Discord never brought Sombra back. S9 Sombra WAS Discord.


Let's think about it this way
Grogar was in the bell when discord gave everybody's magic back grogar came  out he still had some power in em so he teleported away when he gets his power back he gets the three out sends them to secretly capture ponies
Grogar : chrisalis you get to capture starlight ,cozy you go get fluttershy and rarity ,tyrec go get rainbow and AJ ,I'll get pinkie and twilight then we attack discord next of course we take their magic then I'll manipulate the ponies then we take down every creatures leader  Chrisalis and I will do  that the.pony army will guard the captured ponys and tyrec and cozy will stay on guard for the pillars and princesses hahahahahaha (all evil laugh)


5:00 I personally think the 'having you senses while being stone' is exclusive to Discord alone. He has proven to be able to exist just as a ghost before while messing with Starlight so it seems fitting that he alone has that ability. And im sure petrification has been done before in universe so ponies should know how it works, look at when Rockhoof asked Twilight to turn him to stone. Ignoring that its basically a temporary death I don't think she would have done it if she knew he would be conscious the entire time regardless of whatever arguments Rockhoof would throw at her. Also in S1 the cockatrice petrified Twilight and she had no senses and question what she missed but im not sure if that counts since its from the power of the cockatrice's stare but as the only other example of a 'statue survivor' I think its enough to show that the big bad 3 won't be slowly cooking their revenge and end up in a more of a time traveler/time capsule situation. And honestly no living being can be stuck as a statue that long without going insane or simply losing the ability to think at all, especially depending on where the statue of them is placed. If they're in the garden again then I could see them staying decently sane from 'interactions' with passerbys and the cleaning staff but if instead they're put in storage like they should be then the survival of their psyche depends on if they can 'think' to eachother or if they're each separated and trapped in their own mind.


someone need to create a story for griffonia... <br>I would like a series about Kemerskai return

someone need to create a story for griffonia...
I would like a series about Kemerskai return


Like princess Celestia said since there no longer connected to the elements of harmony the speel they cast has been brocken and not just that the the disharmony of the pony help him grow stronger


Actually the math does check out. When someone uses the elements of harmony it doesn’t use their own magic.


Earlier today I was watching one of the season nine clips and it was so funny when tireck said "DONT YOU DARE BRING GRAM,GRAM INTO THIS!!" I will now always say "DONT YOU DARE BRING GRAM, GRAM INTO THIS"


Just a theory of mine: What IF tartarus had a back door kind of thing  that nopony knew about maybe that how tirek escaped or had help?


I think they will get out of stone, but by the time they do, someone is Equestria would of made some type of magic which makes any evil villain go back to stone if they were in stone before they escaped.


What I think would happen to cozy glow tirek and chrysalis is that there is someone that would do something like they would just like discord. Hence when discord was free the first time it was when sweetie bell, scootalo, and apple bloom were next to discord’s statue and they said “disharmony, and chaos” which is something discord would do. So if that ever happens to cozy glow, tirek and chrysalis I think that they would be able to break free. This is what I think


Kroger’s bell is an old elements of harmony and Grover stole it but for the elements of harmony or discovered and Groger just dumped it his own that’s why that’s a possibility


this makes me think a little deeper, this is about grogar and also it even says in the tital "no ones ever really gone" so its all just making me think here..were IS gusty the great? like we've never heard much of her so after she defeated grogar were did she go? whats she doing now? what happend to gusty the great after her stoping grogar? where is she now and what has she been doing this hole time?


The story of this show had so much freaking potential I'm so mad


ok this is going to happen(totally) cozy glow terik and queen chrysalis will feed of the negative magic in creatures which will soon make them strong enough to break the spell freeing them of being in stone and then they will somehow merge together and become 1 stronge creature and they will take most of the world (because by now they must have explored a lot of it) and then the mane 6 will fail to take the 3 out so the mane 6 creatures will be the ones who defeat terik cozy and chrysalis and then that is how they got on the stain glass next to flurry hearts (season 9 last episode) and yeah what yeh think would that be a good last season 10


I think yes<br> because they have to learn Friendship

I think yes
 because they have to learn Friendship


If you made your ideas into your own episodes the won't have to end yet.


Btw, in the new movie, Mlp: a new generation, the magic had been drained and that caused the mc not being able to turn into a full alicorn. What if the mean 3 were sucking all the magic, with cozy glow's artifacts stuff and tirek, they could do it. And then the new group of ponies have to fight them again, but since the mean 3 still have all of their magic, they wont be able to stop them without the elements of harmony. Snowball effect :D


In the last episode of mlp I couldn’t help but notice the stained glass windows in the background witch showed what happened from Twilight’s coronation to ep 26. One was where the student 6 saved equestria again but by defeating creatures we have never seen before. This could mean a lot of things but the one I like is if those creatures were some of the first creatures in equestria as we know grogar joined the creatures together and his bell which probably still has grogar’s magic and maybe his spirit in it could have brought these creatures back and because they had the influence of grogar himself the mane 6 weren’t able to stop them which is when the student 6 go to the spirit of harmony who tells that their friendship with each other is extremely strong as it they from different races so they use that encouragement to defeat them. I find this possible because the student 6 are different creatures from different races working together and the villain creatures are joined together with magic but the students had something that they didn’t have witch was friendship and harmony which allowed them to save equestria and finally graduate school. <br>Btw misses ur theories I used to the very start of your channel just to watch them and they actually make sense even the ones now so I’m glad you’re starting to upland regularly again

In the last episode of mlp I couldn’t help but notice the stained glass windows in the background witch showed what happened from Twilight’s coronation to ep 26. One was where the student 6 saved equestria again but by defeating creatures we have never seen before. This could mean a lot of things but the one I like is if those creatures were some of the first creatures in equestria as we know grogar joined the creatures together and his bell which probably still has grogar’s magic and maybe his spirit in it could have brought these creatures back and because they had the influence of grogar himself the mane 6 weren’t able to stop them which is when the student 6 go to the spirit of harmony who tells that their friendship with each other is extremely strong as it they from different races so they use that encouragement to defeat them. I find this possible because the student 6 are different creatures from different races working together and the villain creatures are joined together with magic but the students had something that they didn’t have witch was friendship and harmony which allowed them to save equestria and finally graduate school.
Btw misses ur theories I used to the very start of your channel just to watch them and they actually make sense even the ones now so I’m glad you’re starting to upland regularly again


I'm just wish that Sombra is back. He was so badass and powerful but we have seen so little of him. I was so disappointed when he was disintegrated instead of bean reformed. I mean they reformed the avatar of caos... whey not him tho:(((((((((((((( I bet he would've get to mountain Everhoof easily just by building crystal bridge


...Nah, I think that's it, Cozy Glow is a filly and Tirek and Chrysalis are rendered powerless compared to Discord of all creatures. And plus the elements of Harmony have a thing of having non everlasting punishments nightmare moon, sombra and discord, But Cozy, Chryssy and Tirek were turned to stone by straight up magicof discord, luna and celestia.


Imagine how cool it would be if king sombra wasn’t selfish and teamed up with tirek,chrysalis and cozy glow


This show has villians coming back like dragon ball z meets kingdom hearts


I think that luster dawn & her friends would bring them back because twilight says that they can <br>make them good. 😊

I think that luster dawn & her friends would bring them back because twilight says that they can
make them good. 😊

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i hope not- and no  dont think luster and her friends will i think the student 6 will and i might just be thinking luster will be added in the student 6 group-

i can just imagine them failing somehow and twilight is just like "well alright girls let's get this over with"


The whole Discord is weaker then the elements isn't true for many reasons.
One the elements just turned him into what he was inside, a stone cold chaos monster so he became stone.
Also a human is stronger then a rock
But you can still kill someone with a rock


Discord was freed of by the princesses so whos to say they wront be freed with precautions and new attempts at reform, they may have done a lot but remember discord was freed after two attempts to bath the world in chaos (and that's while also unlike these three having his powers making him an immediate threat) In my head cannon starlight shimmer and human twilight are perfect to reform cosy glow as they both did similar things


Chrysalis, Tirek, Cozy Glow and Grogar will come back to have revenge to the mane six


Cozy glow, chrysalis, and Tirek cannot reform as long as somepony  BREAKS the statue into pieces, and throwing them into a volcano


I don't think Discord should be the one to bring Grogar back. Since he's still trusted around the hero's around twenty years later, if he pulled another move like that on them then I'm sure that The Mane Six wouldn't forgive him again.


I bet there’s gonna be one more cannon movie which truly ends the mlp franchise with Grogar as the main villain


Maby  his bell spreads  darkness and evil into equestria while twisting the pony's homes and universe's <br>Aswell for timelines

Maby  his bell spreads  darkness and evil into equestria while twisting the pony's homes and universe's
Aswell for timelines


Maybe grogar is the reason Ruler twilight had to keep magic in artifacts to protect or save it or… for some other reason.


everyone: where did discord come from?

last episode: ships become canon, everyone is old except twilight.

everyone: where did discord come from?

last episode: *ships become canon, everyone is old except twilight.*


2022: What if…Grogar is the reason for magic disappearing in the new movie?


I’m pretty sure the mean 3 are gonna show up in gen 5 but grogar i don’t know itis a possibility he’ll show up as well in gen 5