Here's my theory..... Grogar, who is especially <b>NOT</b> an idiot, he's actually living alone. He's not stupid enough to try to actually to do anything that would bring attention to him, he wouldn't dare try to do anything to anger Twilight. He would probably living his life out anyway

Here's my theory..... Grogar, who is especially *NOT* an idiot, he's actually living alone. He's not stupid enough to try to actually to do anything that would bring attention to him, he wouldn't dare try to do anything to anger Twilight. He would probably living his life out anyway

Power Balance VA / The Last Kitsune Prince


I had a thought when you mention that Celestia and Luna used the elements of harmony to petrify Discord. Yes the elements are more powerful than Discord but were the sisters able to unleash the elements full power when they petrified him. I mean, didn't Celestia and Luna slowly loose their connection to the elements over time.  Also Discord is more powerful than Chrysalis, Cozy Glow and Tirek the only reason he lost to them is his over confidence and lowering his guard to them. So it'd make sense that Discord could break out of his petrified state. So it'd be unlikely (in my opinion) that Chrysalis, Cozy Glow and Tirek would be able to escape without some form of outside help.


I dont think they fought Grogar during that big gap, remember In the last episode twilights top student tells her that twilight and her friends defeated the villains very long ago. If grogar was defeated in that gap it wouldn’t have been “very long ago” so she wouldn’t have said that


I don't think you can just compare magical power levels so simply. The Elements of Harmony are obviously harmony magic, the opposite of chaos magic, and the way their harmony magic interacts with Discord's chaos magic has no reason to be comparable to the way that Discord's chaos magic interacts with Cozy Glow's, Tirek's, and Chrysalis's magic which is neither harmony nor chaos magic. And of course none of those three have as much power as Discord in their base state (probably not even the three of them put together match up). We don't have enough information to know they won't also remain conscious and eventually break out, but we certainly don't have enough information to know that they will either.

Additionally, the other example you gave of Discord putting the Mane Six through hardship since his reformation (the plunder seeds) wasn't something he set up to teach them a lesson; it was something he set up before his first imprisonment and then neglected to undo. I suspect he either left them down there as insurance in case the ponies changed their minds or simply forgot about them, but one thing I'm sure about is that teaching the Mane Six a lesson wasn't his primary motivation there (whatever he may say). The whole Grogar scheme was the first time that he legitimately caused large-scale trouble out of a misguided attempt to help, and I think that having his magic stolen, being imprisoned, and having everypony he cares about make it clear that they're very disappointed in him was probably enough that he'll remember it was a bad idea.


To be fair the reason Discord was able to come back was because the sisters were no longer connected to the Elements of Harmony but, the Elements of Harmony weren't even used with turning the three to Stone so the spell that turned them to stone should last for a very long time if not forever.


I think that the only reason the elements plus the 2 sisters was more powerful is because discord was weaker having been on the dark side the only reason it worked was because friendship is more powerful than darkness. You could argue that tirek, cozy and chrysalis have a bond but their bond over hate not friendship and like I said friendship is more powerful than darkness or hate and discord and the sisters are friends.


I honestly think that newer villains would appear since more creatures more opportunities


I like the idea that grogar become one with his bell but when you think about it it would just make him a better version of tirak so that probably didn’t happen


As a kid,I’ve always had this thought.Why did the ponies stop going through extreme adventures through the closing seasons..Like where did all the other million of villain that were banished for a thousand moons!?<br>Did they just lay low in the background?

As a kid,I’ve always had this thought.Why did the ponies stop going through extreme adventures through the closing seasons..Like where did all the other million of villain that were banished for a thousand moons!?
Did they just lay low in the background?


The first time I watched the return of harmony ( I was 8) I thought that the chaos of the three crusaders led discord to escaping, but looking into this again, I think that their arguing couldn’t have been enough, so how did discord really escape? Can u plz do a vid about that


You know, I think everything that this villains will brought to the world, twilight and her friends will defeat them, not just because this is what we usually saw in the show, also because their unity is unlike the villains, real. Or who knows, maybe they will come back someday at G5 and bring disharmony to the time??🧐


I was just wondering that if the three of them were gonna be free from being turned to stone maybe they might actually team up together and make a huge dynasty and look for grow bar to seek help hoping that they would finally defeat the "mane 6", and maybe after that each one of them would rule over different places like equestria, canterlote, crystal kingdom, and maybe even the human world?!!😱😲😵

And remember this "I was just wondering" about all of this in my thoughts.😼😼


4:04 they may turn to stone but if the elements of harmony (the mane 6) was replace by the new one (remember theat episodes where the potion milk thing give them flash back) it changee thanks to the mane 6 what if they got replace? Then the 3 turn not to turn? (good theory?)


It's like they purposely set up those three still being recoverable so the comics could use them for potential future plot fodder.<br>In universe, it's almost like Discord was trying to teach the Mean 3 a lesson as much as he was trying to Twilight. He got them to learn to work together, maybe even intentionally let them take his power because he knew his Chaos magic would keep them from being able to easily harness the other powers they stole.  But they didn't quite grasp the friendship thing as a whole, so he convinced the Sisters to help him give them another chance down the road. It took himself a few times, after all.

It's like they purposely set up those three still being recoverable so the comics could use them for potential future plot fodder.
In universe, it's almost like Discord was trying to teach the Mean 3 a lesson as much as he was trying to Twilight. He got them to learn to work together, maybe even intentionally let them take his power because he knew his Chaos magic would keep them from being able to easily harness the other powers they stole.  But they didn't quite grasp the friendship thing as a whole, so he convinced the Sisters to help him give them another chance down the road. It took himself a few times, after all.


What if they come back after the time gap... and they actually beat the main 6. Most of them seem weaker then before. So if the real chrisalis, cosy glow and tereack come back after they have been frozen they will be mad and probably very angry. And they have not been weakened by time. Oh good luck to the future main 6


4:31 Yes,  The Elements of Harmony are stronger than Discord, but he is free because Luna and Celestia lost connection to the elements (s2 ep1 Celestia tells it). And even if the spell was broken, Discord needed chaos to set himself free (that was small chaos, but he still needed it). Thats all because elements are artifacts and they are connected to the last user.
Because Luna, Celestia and Discord are living creatures, their spell will be broken when one of them loses their magic


I'm just wondering what happened in the past to make cozy glow into a cold and heartless villain. She's just a philly and I have to wonder where's her family? What happened to make her so power hungry and cruel?


I have a head cannon, so, they unfreeze from stone and Queen Crystalis is the only one that decides not to give chase anymore, and just mind her business trying to figure herself out after she remembers what Starlights said to her about how revenge doesn't make you feel better. The others try, but soon Cozy Glow is the only one still trying to attack as the other guy gets tired. Cozy Glow ends up actually being possessed by Grogar, and the possession wears off, leaving Cozy Glow to go completely insane, and Grogar... he got ahold of a part of the pearl that the mermaid pony things use to go to seaquestria, and he is hiding somewhere in the ocean.

Wow, that was long, hehe


It would have been fun to see them banished to the human world and see them team up while learning to walk and do human things. Imagine them arguing and doing their usual flair while in human form. With a catch. Portals to Equestria sealing when they attempt to enter, protecting Equestria.

At that point, not only do we get an excellent plot for a full feature EQG film, but human (not pony) Sunset and human Starlight coming into play. For them to learn magic to help defeat Sombra, Cozy and Tierek. It would be even more fun with those three learning that their magic doesn't work the same in the human world.


You are forgetting the villains yet to come, like whoever gets the alicorn amulet next, or whoever finds sombra’s library, etc...


I don't think the mean 3 can just break out of the stone the reason discord was able to escape was because luna and Celestia's connection to the elements of harmony were severed when the mane six stated to use them. However, now that they don't need the elements anymore they just can't get out.  I suppose it''s still possible for Grogar to break them out of the stone but considering the fact he can just make monsters why would he risk it?  the mean 3 are ambitious and would betray him at the drop of a hat.


1:00:  I know this wasn't serious but I like the idea of Thanos Farm Grogar.

4:00:  As for the stone trio, as soon as I saw that I knew it was leaving open them coming back.  One more reason "The Last Problem" feels tacked on, imho.
I don't know if they're aware or not in stone.  Discord was, but he wasn't involved in his own stoning.  He may have made them sleep.  ...At least I hope so.  He broke his "one rule" either way ("I don't turn ponies to stone"), but it's at least mitigating.

Lookin' forward to the comics.  I'm hoping they get accepted as canon by more of the fandom.  Sadly one of the best ones was made explicitly non-canon (Sombra's redemption arc), but that was when the show was still running.


Cozy glow thought the bell turned her into a alicorn, but maybe Grogar only started stealing magic from unicorns before he was wise? Then the bell just turned her into a horned pegasis or flying unicorn or winged unicorn.


I don’t think Grogar would save them considering they did betray him in the series final by stealing his powers, even though it was Discord. Perhaps if it is the real Grogar then maybe.


Just a weird theory, but Celestia said in one of the early seasons because the elements are now connected to the main 6, the spells casted with the elements by the two sisters where starting to where off. So what happens when the main 5 die and there's just twighlight left, will Cozy glow, Tirek and Chrysalis be able to break free??

wait that a good theory in my theory  "they may turn to stone but if the elements of harmony (the mane 6) was replace by the new one (remember theat episodes where the potion milk thing give them flash back) it changee thanks to the mane 6 what if they got replace? Then the 3 turn not to turn?"


Hmm, about the part about how the villains can hear everything.. Discord might actually be the only being to hear while turned to stone because he is cHaOs.


Man i really hope Chrysalis comes back i really liked her. :C


A kingdom without villans is a kingdom without grace


I would say that the mean three are going to stay statues for ever, but not because of Discord using his magic with the royal sisters, but because Discord could break free only when the cmc were fighting right in front of him. I think that Discord broke free because he got stronger with the caos they've created. Since none of the mean three has a source of magic that works like Doscord's I don't think that someone can accidentally set them free.


Wait, what if the Windigos were warning the ponies every Hearths Warming, each time the Grogar incident got closer and closer. Sorry if I spelt anything wrong, but this randomly popped in my mind


Am I the only one who pretends the last episode isn’t canon? It lets me explore different possibility’s!


OMG I WANT SEASON 9 TO COME ON NETFLIX ALREADY!!!!!


Weather the discord letting Grogar out theory is correct or not, we know that Discord remains friends with them over the 10 year gap because in the last episode it shows him handing a lunch to Fluttershy.


Well, they might come back or they might not. Of course, as a Brony who's looking forward to MLP G5, I'm not so sure if the villains will come back.


The villains are not coming back because when discord was turn to stone, Celestia and Luna used the elements of harmony. In season 2, Celestia said that when she and her sister Luna turned into stone they were connected to the elements of harmony but since they were no longer connected to the elements the spell was broken so when Celestia, Luna, and Discord turned the 3 villains into stone then most likely they will not return because each of them used their own magic to turn to stone and their own magic will always be connected to them


i really need some backstory on cozy glow, where are her parents and why are they so irresponsible, is she even a filly or is she some evil creature in disguise


I saw somewhere that said can't they break out like discord did and someone replied to it saying no because in this case discord helped and his powers are to somewhat a god so it would be very hard for them to break out sense discord also sealed them away


If he returns in season 10.. maybe we’ll see him in the comics!


Wait, did I miss something? Yes this may allow headcanons, but everyone in the comments is talking like the show's still going on?

Is it REALLY going to continue? Will the huge time gap be filled?


Maybe Discord did learn his lesson, you never know


The Storm King was rockified and then was smashed to pieces, so would it be possible to bring him back too?


well Discord's statue failed because he was left out in the open and jsut needed a bit of discord to break free. put the trio's statue somewhere secure and it will hold. Celestia was too lenient in punishments.


Maybe discords magic will malfunction at some point and open a portal to where Grogar is banished I mean only he knows how to control it but it was in the hands of two other characters during his powerless period and we all saw what they did with it when they had it


I HATE that they’re trapped in stone. It makes me so sad. Especially Cozy Glow, she may be evil but she’s just a filly.


it is possible that he was sent to a different world (like the human world) and he grew to like it. he may not ever want to return.


Too bad we’ll never know.

Unless the creators tell us.


What if Grogar's essence is still out there and making new monsters bay.


In a way, everything is forever and nothing is.


I like the bell merge theory<br>You should do a full theory on it

I like the bell merge theory
You should do a full theory on it


They are actually gone because only the three fillies acted the opposite of harmony so Discord was able to break free.


maybe tart was a symbol of grogar 's fear to punish magic villan things


I have a theory..

Discord came out of his stone body because

The cutie mark crusaders have disharmony that day! And what if someone else had disharmony to free chrysalis cozy glow and tereck

Those three maybe has a different word then disharmony to free them..But maybe it’s just me


Another idea is the elements were just symbols also meaning that the elements aren’t stronger than discord


I believe that wasn't really Sombra. His horn wasn't shown and his attitude was wrong.


It's kinda dark that they used a little kid to go have a bad life so early


But I thought their wasn't going to be a season 10. After Twilight's coronation the next episode goes to the future when flurry heart and twilight are the two princesses ruling. And in that time Grogar hasn't shown up. And discord is reformed and wouldn't make the same mistake helping Grogar escape when he already made it with tirek


Flurry heart rules the crystal Empire! Didnt you see the glass pictrue of her in the season 9 finale?


I got a bit scared when bronynotion said discord can hear what is celestia saying come to think of it may be the same for them (tirek chrysalis and cozy glow ) since celestia luna and elements are stronger than celestia luna and discord does that mean not only they can hear everything that mane 7 says or even other creatures it's not like they have been taken to another place ( tarturus  or any other place ) or did they?! Well back to the point if discord can hear what everything celestia says can they ( tirek chrysalis and cozy glow) not only hear what is the mane 7 says or any other creature can they also speak to each other?! Well not literally that there mouth is opening but can they make a plan to stop the mane 7 while still there in stone in the statue all of them is mostly sticking to each other well that's weird and scary they would just get irritated and more mad with every successful mission does the mane 7 does or they could just randomly reform like discord


Hey can you do a video on the pony’s ages? Idk why but for so long I was hoping someone would do a video on it...


My theory is Grogar was sent to hell to grow power and tried to kill a demon<br>And got turned to stone

My theory is Grogar was sent to hell to grow power and tried to kill a demon
And got turned to stone


Brony I Have A Question
When does luna sleep?
Look, in most episodes that she appears in she is still awake by day and is also awake by night gaurding dreams so
When does she sleep?
Another question
Which job is harder, Luna's or Celestia's?
My theory is Luna's job is harder as in NO SLEEP fighting off bad dreams at night who knows what she had seen and fought then by day ruling by Celestia's side only in 2 episodes I can remember breaks down this theory (Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, A Royal Problem) so basically Luna's schedule is more jam packed and I can say harder.
Please make a video about this and explain it


My head cannon:
Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy glow are released, they go into hiding. Chrysalis begins forming a new changeling army, a new magical item is discovered by Tirek bla bla, Tirek and Cozy glow absorb it, Chryalis aswell, causing for the new changelings to be heightened and stronger. Chrysalis kills Starlight, Tirek takes Twilight’s energy, the mane six falls in battle from the trios new power. Thorax is executed, the reformed changelings are taken over and forced into the olden way. Tirek absorbs discord’s energy. Celestia and Luna finally have to intervene, Celestia is destroyed, forcing Luna into nightmare moon, causing her to be stuck, and joining the trio, the villains take  over equestrian.

This is very unlikely and pretty much made up.


I love the theory but the shows over...I think the only way he's coming back would be the comics <b>if</b> they continue them :(

I love the theory but the shows over...I think the only way he's coming back would be the comics *if* they continue them :(


As to think, thank you for some pony wikipedia channel, also your OC, its ok if you are not a pegasus, unicorn, also an alicon, I have sured to subscribe this!


I wonder if king sombra will return I hope so same with chrysalis cozy glow and tirek


What If they blame each other for failure?


In the future we have Dawn with her new friends (sorry I don’t know what is the names)


Actually if he was sent to tartaris they could have kept super far away so they couldn’t talk


Is it possible the real Grogar is waiting for gen 5 to come back


Me watching MLP theories even though they ended the series months ago be like; mmmm this would've been interesting...

But me ALSO theorising if they would do this in their PONY LIFE SERIES Instead, Maybe Pony life was made to be a Miniseries that would be what Twilight and her friends did after Twilights cornation and before the Time skip... It could happen... you never knowwwww


i like how seriously you take a child’s show<br>(I’m not saying this in an offensive way, just making a joke)

i like how seriously you take a child’s show
(I’m not saying this in an offensive way, just making a joke)


Brony:he might be vanished to human world.<br>Grogar:IMA BUILD A WALL TO MAKE AMERIKA GREAT AGEN!

Brony:he might be vanished to human world.
Grogar:IMA BUILD A WALL TO MAKE AMERIKA GREAT AGEN!


Lmao when they unfreeze there are gonna be some issues 🤣


4:44 "kicking the can down the road for a future generation to deal with" spike: thats future spikes problem

wow thats so true!!! you expose season 9 wasn't the last season
Edit: 5:00 your so correct :O


Do u remember the video were u talk about Flurry not being a true alicorn? In that video u talk about Celestia and Luna being send to equestria for restore peace but then being stuck in equestria is it possibile that now they had return home?

Please read this comment and make a video in curios❤


Imo, Celestia, Luna and Discord is using the mean 3 as Twilight's future retirement plan, just like how Celestia brought back Nightmare Moon


There is a new movie coming out in 2021, so maybe that's when Grogar escapes?


so i have an idea what if for "watch the season over who controls the sun the moon and the stars?" sure celestia at the time was doing all of it but here is my idea.. what if it was discord? he aided in here escape cuz sure we was frozen but what if his magic could now only help other villains escape? I mean hes discord right? so it makes sense if the magic anyone uses to turn him to stone will freeze him and "take away his magic" well no discord means chaos right? so chaos is like no harmony well because at the time the tree of harmony was waiting to grow well having no harmony means discord so im thinking discord is the reason she escaped because sure the stone frezzed him and all but where did his magic go? Because the tree of harmony was never there for a LONG LONG time before twilight and her friends grew it again but with that harmony discord just got stronger and stronger. Now going from this how would simple stone that easily broke in after time hold so much magic? Well I think the stone can hold HIM from escaping and his magic from breaking down the city towns and stuff, BUT can't hold him from HELPING see harmony is basically helping and love and stuff right? well see helping he IS helping but not in the way he should of see thats so important to my theory now i'm not saying this is 100% right BUT im not saying its wrong cuz to me this makes sense anyways lets continue so discord was helping nightmare moon escape until she reformed now this next part idk if it makes 100 100% sense but what if he used so much magic to brake her free that his magic was running low but just enough to help her stay strong UNTIL the main 6 came and used the elements of harmony now going from your theory in the past the element and the tree of harmony are STRONGER then discord so him using to much magic to free nightmare moon means he dose not have enough with her magic and his magic to fight back the element meaning they reformed nightmare moon! Now sorry for this being so long but we are almost done (you can 100% use this theory for a video if you want) anyways time to continue so now think about this sure the stone was made by the elements and celestia BUT what if now this is an idea i love but what IF discord just had enough magic to control celestia into helping out now going a bit by your theory the stars dont move thats correct BUT what if it had a bit to do with celestia now im thinking that the stars leave the sky from celestia once the sun is in place like think we never rlly see the stars in the same place right? so what if celestia moves them once the sun is in place cuz if the stars leave the sky while the moon is leaving it will be REALLY dark! So! Celestia moves them like i said AFTER the sun is out! Now lets say this is wrong! Well that CAN be 100% right BUT i'm thinking discord maybe made celestia do it by controlling her body for 3 mins now celestia saw with her own eyes that the stars aided in her escape but the reason she said that is she technically did not help that was discord doing that now that MAKES SENSE cuz celestia is not one to really lie right? so shes not lying here cuz like i said tech it WAS discord right? Again im sorry for this being long but im almost almost done. now the "No One's Ever Really Gone..." See what if now that discord was out what if he helped make ALL the villain A. Turn Make Evil For A Season to "Test" Princess Twilight And Her Friends? So Or B. The rest of the reformed villains did not change back but he JUST let out the ones that were in prisoned now im ALSO talking in tarterus! Ok Ok Now I'll leave the rest to you but i deff think this IS worth exploring maybe in parts but I personally will be prob doing a video on this on my channel  i worked so hard on this idea and piecing together was so much fun! I'm still missing so so much but this is worth exploring!


since the villains are frozen by three immortal they might be stone 3,000 years <br>That was be unbearable I would start being bored after that

since the villains are frozen by three immortal they might be stone 3,000 years
That was be unbearable I would start being bored after that


They'll probably all come back in season 10 (comics).


gusty took grogar back to the 80s cartoon with her for all eternity


Also I think in that gap they also faced nightmare rarity


I think grogs was banished to a distant land still on the equestrian world but un known to many and is plotting his revenge so when the times right he will face the embodiment of the elements of harmony but not the mane 6. Next gen mane 6


I ll tell you what happened...season 9 is the last. The end 😂😂 production team calls the shots


It may be possible its not the mane 6 who will stop them.... the generation of friendship grows right? So that means its the Young 6's job to do so....and their job will be LEGENDARY!


Mabey an entity more powerful than grogar will free them


Shame we will never find out since the canon show stopped at season 9.


The fact that you thought season 10 was gonna ever exist is quite laughable. Hasbro already pulled a Teen titans


When does it mention ANYTHING about Grogar?


Tartarus is also Greek mythology so yeah I-


I just thought dude died. Unless someone or something kept him alive.


What if he got sent to the ''dimesion'' of genration 5 of mlp ?


Celestia..... No one's ever really gone.....

LAUGHS IN PALPATINE

Celestia..... No one's ever really gone.....

*LAUGHS IN PALPATINE*


I don't think so scince discords been turned to stone before he might know how to make it last and the elements only defeated discord becuase of the mane six


Well there were other mop series in the 19 hundreds so a new series could bring more


There probably isn't gonna be another season of MLP but there could be a movie showing the mane 6 defeating Grogar tho (its just a thought)


I net they would redo the spell so they wont get out.


Grogan guard it's not like T-Rex that means it's Kate hiding somewhere else


I think my little pony is just one big loop.. Twilight just like Celestia did will raise the next ruler(s) and maybe a group of friends and they’ll end up fighting grogar in the other villains


Probably the only way for them to come back is that if some pony fart in front of the statue like how discord Gottfried are


Look at cozy glow in the statue she looks like a scared little kid!


This idea is the bomb! Go back to when pinkie pie cloned herself with the magic mirror pool? What if, when the villains break free, they clone themselves to cause chaos among equestria. Then when they do that, they free grogar and do it to him! And same with king Sombra. AND what if they cloned grogar’s bell? This would be the unstoppable army of 100 king sombra’s, 100 tirek’s, 100 chrisalis’s, 100 cozy glows, 100 grogars, and 100 copy’s of grogar bell! Only 1 problem... they would all need to work together. Do you this is a good idea? Then, if they find out about the sirens, then there might be 100 copy’s of the 3 sirens... that means, 900 times the power!


Yes i think ther coming back because no one is really gone like the other ones


And also maybe those ages of main six in season 9 could have been destroyed the statue of mean 3 and those villains could be the test for luster


What would happen if cozy glow became an alicorn, L!?


Did Celestia and Luna petrified a child!?


They should make a spike spinoff series check out in the comments for video name mlp theory is spike a magic Dragon video


They may come back but I  the last episode ever Twights students not the one in the friend ship school but she may be taking on the elements of harmony with her friends at the end when she runs and plays with them so if the villans some maybe they will defeat them.


But if they did escape after a thousand years of being stones then who will be there opponent will it be the student six or other ponies like starlight and the the other ummm forgot the name of the orange colt... So yeah who will be the one to save equestria tho


Honestly,the last episode was so unsatisfying to me.......Plz someone write fan fiction I beg


My theory is that grogar will return gefore the three so he will br punised begore their return he mighg not know about them so he wont bother freeing them if he doesnt know where they are or why they are stone or who theg are.


ok so over along period of time i thin that that 3 that where turned....HOLD up no no nooo i think that grogar will come back and use his magic to bring back the 3 turned to stone so they will all combined their powers an defeat the 6 orignal mlp chars i dunno i am just doing a theory i hope this dose not sound stupid...;-;


No
Discord and the elements of harmoni are same ☯

Ying Yang


Well I think may be spike or well the future elements of harmony or both could take them on but I believe spike well be there I mean though it all we seen her relosent all of the elements so he maybe able to use all of them and make piece with them he is a good talker


Of course sparing them was a stupid idea.


Guess wut MLP is gonna continue like this: My little pony chapter 2 // or // My little pony The new order ///// So if I am correct is MLP actually over? We still have loose ends tell me if I’m wrong


Wait twilights mom could raise the stars cus her cutie mark has stars


But this cold is nice because I remember one episode he was nice and he was feeling way better when you turn back into chaos he was chaos and nice at the same time that’s not that much chaos more nice but still a little chaos!!!!!!!!!!


What is gusty and star swirl were somehow related they both are very powerful unicorns and who would star swirl Pizza Hut by definitely not the two sisters.


I have made a wattpad story where the clone trooper, samus, ash, and a autobot face off the villains


he is captured into bell you see how is pinkie looked after she takes bell i mean CHAOS pinkie


Here’s my theory (WARNING THIS IS WRITTEN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A FLUTTERCORD SHIPPER) So in the end we can see that Fluttershy and Discord are together but Fluttershy we never here much about that other then Fluttershy saying that “if he wasn’t busy Discord would be joining us” What is he busy with? HIS CHILD! Enter Bride if Discord fan fic. It tells a supposed love story between Discord and Fluttershy this story is impossible with the current story line however the sequel Daughter if Discord fits in perfectly. We can tell Chyrsalis has some time to kill between then mean six episode and The Grogar thing. The most logical thing would be for her to lay eggs and try to make new changlings. We can tell that it takes a while for creatures to grow considering how long it took the CMC to get their cutie marks. Maybe without someone to care for them the eggs could take a 1000 years. By then Chyrisalis would be free. The first thing she would do would logically to check on the eggs which would probably be already full grown. The non reformed changlings would most likely not open to the reformed changlings mannerisms and would hide out somewhere. If Chrysalis convinced the Changlings to fight for her then the Daughter of Discord timeline makes sense. This would only happen if Discord made Fluttershy immortal but he wouldn’t stand to lose her so that’s a no brainer. Just add Cozy Glow and Trierek by Chrysalises side and bam! Anyone who has watched the Fan fic would know that in then end Screwball Discord’s daughter ends up marrying Mothball one of Chrysalises kids. This causes the changlings to be reformed. If you add Cozy Glow, Tierek, and some epic fight scenes into the mix the timeline would be perfect and it would have some new ships 😏

IM SO SORRY YOU ACTUALLY READ THIS ALL GO WATCH THE DAUGHTER IF DISCORD SEIRES HERE TO KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT : https://youtu.be/TeGevX1Dmu4


daybreaker? she dissapear but she are fillian for full episode


I think we’ll get the true ending in season 10


Me still in season 8 and confused:  who?

Me still in season 8 and confused:  who?


No they are not coming back becuz celistya Luna and discords magic have became allot more stong


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Stop exaggerating we could still have movies cough cough like one where someone else beside twilight goes thorough the like the student six


I don’t understand that but you’re probably not gonna answer this but why does twilights hair like jiggle around and cadences don’t????


I have a question why the ponies is most widespread ciertures


Why the hell did you put creepy music in a my little pony concept video like your scarying me.


I think discord eyebrows look likes grogar so dpes that men grogar is inside  discord body


No s10 its s9 there's a 10% there will be s10


wAiT/Your saying i can kill ma mommy. And she come back.?? :DDDDD


To this day, the comments on that one screen are still on 73.


Oh of course come on now you're headdress feather thing is not there anymore. Coincidence, right?

Huh, okay... Well, it's amazing that you reply to my comment! I was totally stoked to see YOUR reply on MY comment of all of them! Sorry if you think I was rude, or anything like that... Sorry. Guess what?! I'm a changeling, too! #ChangelingKingdom! 😉
But, my OC is a little bit more overboard and unique. Also, I can't come up with a good color palette for my OC, either. Maybe you can help me? BTW, my OC is actually a HUGE mashup of EVERY SINGLE four-legged creature that can talk. You could say it's sort of like a different kind of draconequus, but on four legs.

is that a problem? it was a patreon launch thing but i may bring it back for funzies. I like how saw looks in it ^^


Just stop being a statue it’s not that hard


The Elements of Harmony are only effective (and the only effective) against Discord because their magic directly parallels his. Discord is an immortal all-powerful being and the only time he was ever overpowered or even in a bad spot was when he simply could not use his magic.

The Elements of Harmony didn’t keep Discord contented forever because, as mentioned, Celestia’s and Luna’s connection was removed—which would most likely be the equivalent of the spell-caster dying and their spells losing so much depth.

Discord, as mentioned, is all-powerful, but even he—with the stifled connected—had to wait a great deal of time and with a boost of chaos from some bickering foals.

Discord seems to be canonically immortal, and the two sisters have been around for thousands of years. So it’s safe to say anything they cast magic upon shall stay for (basically) forever.

Cozy Glow, Tirik and Chrysalis could be all defeated by Discord with a literal snap of his fingers—So judging by their gap in power, even if somehow Discord, Luna and Celestia cease to exist, they could never break out of their confines.

The Elements of Harmony are only effective (and the only effective) against Discord because their magic directly parallels his. Discord is an immortal all-powerful being and the only time he was _ever_ overpowered or even in a bad spot was when he simply _could not use_ his magic.

The Elements of Harmony didn’t keep Discord contented forever because, as mentioned, Celestia’s and Luna’s connection was removed—which would most likely be the equivalent of the spell-caster dying and their spells losing so much depth.

Discord, as mentioned, is all-powerful, but even he—with the stifled connected—had to wait a great deal of time *and with a boost of chaos from some bickering foals.*

Discord seems to be canonically immortal, and the two sisters have been around for thousands of years. So it’s safe to say anything they cast magic upon shall stay for (basically) forever.

Cozy Glow, Tirik and Chrysalis could be all defeated by Discord with a literal snap of his fingers—So judging by their gap in power, even if somehow Discord, Luna and Celestia cease to exist, they could never break out of their confines.


Have u made a video about. Radiant hope from the comics


His a never seen the devil season 9 of my little pony it was the disco who was google


if he thinks  they can i think too. beside they do not deserve to be turned to stone. what they need is a second changce to make things right.


your soooooooooooooooooo cute can i have a hug pleese


Why do think the villains would come back?

if saw toot said they then i think so too

Because thorax was not just chrysalis's subject but also her son.

What is the name of King thorax son of queen chrysalis are you talking about?

Because like 3 of them have before. Not a good point but they are just guessing so


Please  tell the answer in the next video


In one of my RP chat I had Chrystalis, Terik, and Cozy Glow freed but with a rule to be good, if they do evil they start to do back to stone. This is good for Equestria for two reasons, one three of the worst villians have to be good and two if still evil they remain statues. Their freedom is up to if they can handle being nice.


For me I just saw discord breaking out and still being conscious while in stone as a result of him practically being a force of nature. You can’t ever really put him down for good as he’ll likely just break free later or just reform as a new entity with the same name and abilities. Especially since from what we can tell the only thing that can hurt him is his polar opposite aspect, harmony, wether it be from the elements or himself it’s the only thing seen to even phase him. I’d argue the main reason why the elements work on him is that they are the water to his fire most anything but that can’t actually hurt it and if the fires strong enough all you’ve done is delay it.


I mean, to be fair, without the magic of the bell, Discord is nearly infinitely more powerful than the three of them put together, not to mention, fueled by something he could actually get power from while still encased in stone. Tirek and Chrysalis have to actively feed on their power sources, which is pretty hard when you can't move.


Returning to this channel after years of never really being in the fandom it feels so weird. And in all honesty, watching some videos again all i can remember is "god his videos were pretty creepy" but that may have just been my veeeeery young child mind


I've had this theory for a while that the only reason the spell on discord faded was because Celestia and Luna weren't the true owners of the elements of harmony. It was always gonna be twilight's destiny to find the elements, harness the power of friendship(harmony), control it and be able to access this power anytime and anywhere. They were just able to tap into the base power of them. We have no idea how powerful the elements with the main six actually are since not enough time has passed.


I'm so happy you're back! I first started watching your videos when I was 10 now I'm 13 so it's been 4 years! And I still love your channel


The thing is, the group never actually destroyed them in the statue state, which they should have (in my opinion) to prevent their comeback. I know that may/may not be too harsh for a "kids show", but we've seen Timberwolves being smashed to pieces, and other darker scenes before. Quite honestly, bringing them back doesn't really sound like a thing I'm interested in. But hey, that's just me being Crystal Cleave (my oc)


Hmm, very interesting theories I must say. But what if Celestia and Luna taught Twilight the 'Stone Prison' spell? Would she just reapply it every once in awhile? And if not, how long would the spell holding the three (possibly four, including Grogar) last? Discord was imprisoned in stone for 1000 years and more. After all, Luna and Celestia imprisoned him the first time, which was before Luna became Nightmare Moon. And who's to say the length of time between Discord first stone prison to Luna becoming Nightmare Moon. It could have been the day after, or a few centuries! We don't really know for sure. Let's also not forget, where did they put the statue? Or did they just smash it Storm King style? There are countless possibilites for what happened to those three (possibly four). What we have to worry about, is what they decide to do when they get out, or what future they end up in. Twilight might even follow the same path as Celestia and Luna and pass the torch to somepony else. I'm pretty certain Cadance did with Flurry Heart, as we see in one of the stain glass windows in the final episode. Like I said, it's all speculation. But my own personal theory, after they were imprisoned, the statue was shattered and the pieces were scattered, never to be put together again. Some placed in Tartarus, some in the void like Starswirl had been placed in, some in the EQG world, and some in temples, placed under the protection of Ahuizotl and the other temple protectors. After all, he's not the only one of his 'kind'. He says so himself after all. Which also begs the question, are they the same creature as Ahuizotl, or are they different creatures? Still, no matter what, I think Twilight would be doing everything in her power to keep those three from coming back.


I've got a little random theory of my own. What if Grogar's spirit corrupted an innocent human soul, and made him his host.


It would be cool for a new series in the ''Friendship is Magic'' universe with Luster Dawn and her friends who we saw at the end.


If I can comment, I believe Discord was able to break free of his stone prison not because of the power of the spell, but the power of the PRISONER. And as we know that Discord is worlds above those three, they're not going anywhere


One trend I've noticed in some fanfics is for the Terrible Trio to be released every year to check "are you willing to be reformed now?". I can see that happening, which means the spell is being refreshed every year as well. No chance of it simply "wearing out" in that case. Still leaves Grogar though...


2:11 there could be one theory that grogar was sent to two either realms: the never realm or the cursed realm. So technically the only way grogar can escape from other realms is that he could have travelers tea or another version of the realm crystal


Interesting theories, but I'd like to propose one of my own.

Grogar… Is retired!

WHOA HOLD UP BEFORE YOU START MAIMING!!!

Let's just hear me out a bit.

First off, if we are to assume Discords impressions is accurate we can infer that Grogar is intelligent, pragmatic, savvy, resourceful and forward thinking. It's safe to assume that, even if he WAS supposed to be banished at the time he'd still have some ways of keeping tabs on Equestria as a means of planning next move.

And what would he have seen?

Nightmare Moon, Discord, Chrysalis, Sombra, Tirek, Starlight Glimmer, The Pony of Shadows, and Cozy Glow all of which ended in failure, some even more then once!

And that's not assuming Grogar has the ability to track the whereabouts of the Sirens, who ALSO ended in failure.

Time and time again dark forces have risen to try and bring Equestria to ruin, and every single time the Ponies have found a way to push them back, sometime with loses, other time with regains, but the fact remains, Equestria and it's ponies have been through hell over the years... and it's still standing if not better then ever to this day.

So, taking Grogars intelligent, pragmatic, and savvy nature in to account, what conclusion do you think he'll come too?

My guess, "It's just not worth it. I have my freedom, the ponies have no clue where I am, and I can basically just live out my years in peace without anything to bother me. Why bother risking being turned to stone or sealed in Tartarus when I can just go at my own pace?"

And to that I say, why indeed?


Since everyone is making their own theory i will state mine : What if Grogar was indeed really gone ?
Let me explain : As i see it Gusty the great was the one who stopped and banished Grogar. But we know the bell still has magic in it. Why did Gusty not released it ? Because the bell is supposed to steal, store and redistribute magic at the will of the caster. So i guess somepony as good as gusty would have give back the stolen magic to their rightful owners. What if the magic contained was Grogar's magic ? As stated by Discord "Chrysallis, Tirek and Cozy Glow have now all the real Grogar's magic".
I think Gusty did retrieve the bell and used it against Grogar, banished the ram and hide the bell. The bell was hidden for no creature should hold such power. The other thing telling me that grogar disappeared is that Discord said (disguised as Grogar) "I have been away too long if my name doesn't strike fear into the hearth of one so tiny". If as i remember correctly from a previous video (correct me here if i'm wrong) Grogar get his powers through fear and that's why he never returned. His life became more and more of a myth, a legend. As we can see in the series only Chrysallis know he is not just some old pony tale, she's even the one stating Gusty as his jailor (which make me question how old and how well informed is Chrysallis after all she called Tirek : "Lord Tirek" as soon as she sees him but i digress). And so he never struck fear again in the hearth of pony and his power only grew weaker and weaker.

I saw comments asking how the barrier on top of Everhoof would still stand after what happened in season 8 finale. Hear comes another one : Did you remember the letter of starswirl to Celestia ? On the first day, unicorns magic and spells would stop working. On the second day, creature would loose their magic abilities. On the third day all magic would have disappeared. But when the mane 6 escaped from Tartarus, the final day was about to end. The magical artifact held by Neighsay is about to run out as we see. So why did Tirek trapped in tartarus could still use his magic and what about the creatures like manticore or the bugbear. I think some places in Equestria or partially immune from magical effects who try to get in or out (after all Discord managed to summon Tirek and Cozy from Tartarus) and i think the barrier on top of mount everhoof is one of those places. In the series, it's never mentionned that Gusty casted a spell to protect the bell she just discovered an enchanted cave and placed the bell here. As seen in Frenemies, there are runic style engraved at the cave's entrance. Those same "runes" are already present when gusty hide the bell as presented in Grogar's flashback.

I know this is quite a read but as a story writer (and mostly RPG GM) i love studying every bit of lore i'm given and i have to say since i discovered this channel, Brony Notion gave me A LOT to do. Cheers to you and hope to see more of your theory in the future.

By the way i don't think the mane 6 did see the real Grogar between the last two episodes. Otherwise there would have been a scene of it on a stained glass in the throne room. Just my thoughts tho.

Just to finish i have a question that still makes me scratch my head : How did Discord discovered the bell's place ?


Here is one thing we know about the bell, if Grogar did hide his essence there...the Bell cannot be Destroyed...as the rainbow laser just severed the spell that bound the bell to Tirek, Cozy, and Chrysalis. We know the bell still functioned..because Pinkie used it to take Discord's magic from the bell..then Discord used it to take it from Pinkie, and restore it to himself and the Princesses.<br>About the stone spell for Discord, Celestia points out her separation from the Elements is what weakened it, and that bit of chaos from the CMC just fed him power. Given as far as we know, Discord is Immortal, and by his own words he has "Power over all reality", he can keep those three encased in stone forever.

Here is one thing we know about the bell, if Grogar did hide his essence there...the Bell cannot be Destroyed...as the rainbow laser just severed the spell that bound the bell to Tirek, Cozy, and Chrysalis. We know the bell still functioned..because Pinkie used it to take Discord's magic from the bell..then Discord used it to take it from Pinkie, and restore it to himself and the Princesses.
About the stone spell for Discord, Celestia points out her separation from the Elements is what weakened it, and that bit of chaos from the CMC just fed him power. Given as far as we know, Discord is Immortal, and by his own words he has "Power over all reality", he can keep those three encased in stone forever.


being more powerfull =/= lasting longer . . . I mean, it does not matter if the magic is stronger if the type of magic used durability in overall is less. This would mean if Discord can have longer lasting less powerfull spells it would make sense it to last longer. No, raw power does not mean it will last longer, but more how, who, where and so on it is casted. . .

It could be that discord also added some alternations to the original spell like fixing the flaw that when there was source of his power he could use it or something :D


I really wish G4 ended with The real Grogar as the final villain it would give the show a great ending and final battle


Well, certain to that of my opinion,  if The Mane 6 return in a new film, It's more than likely what Grogar might be the antagonist. Probably might be shown that he fell to his death during a strong wind over a steep cliff of doom or you name it. But What I theorize is if the Mean 3 return, there will some more chaos, unlike Discord's perspective.  On my channel, you will find that I too had made a Fan-Made  10 Chapter Story called "My Little Pony: Next Generation- The Temple Book", which features 4 Main Villains made of stone. The best solution I would give is to destroy the statue of the Mean 3 so they can't wreak havoc. Problem Solved.


Hey Notion! This might be kinda useful!

I did hear this one thing a long time ago that there's gonna be a new MLP movie coming up in the future, but I dunno if that's true or not since MLP ended. However, it might be possible if the real Grogar and the other three, along with Daybreaker, might get in the movie... actually changed my mind. I think there can only be one villain, but it's not the three stoned villains. It'll either be Grogar, or Daybreaker. I dunno, Daybreaker barely got in and was never seen after the nightmare extermination done by the two sisters. I'm sure you can look into that deeper too, or maybe you made a video of that.

Putting them aside, I'm kinda disappointed that Sombra never became the real deal like the other three stoned villains because he only showed up on fanart and not on the series. The chances of having him back in the future movie is quite slim.

The three villains won't be breaking out anytime soon anyways since Lauren might put them aside. So it's either Sombra, Daybreaker or Grogar.

And the fact that I said that I changed my mind and that there can be only one villain is because if we put Sombra, Daybreaker and Grogar all in the movie it will have to be a series.

However if Lauren Faust's shutdown on MLP films is his final choice, then sorry if I blabbered this out of my mouth.

Hey Notion! This might be kinda useful!

I did hear this one thing a long time ago that there's gonna be a new MLP movie coming up in the future, but I dunno if that's true or not since MLP ended. However, it might be possible if the real Grogar and the other three, along with Daybreaker, might get in the movie... actually changed my mind. I think there can only be one villain, but it's not the three stoned villains. It'll either be Grogar, or Daybreaker. I dunno, Daybreaker barely got in and was never seen after the nightmare extermination done by the two sisters. I'm sure you can look into that deeper too, or maybe you made a video of that.

Putting them aside, I'm kinda disappointed that Sombra never became the real deal like the other three stoned villains because he only showed up on fanart and not on the series. The chances of having him back in the future movie is quite slim.

The three villains won't be breaking out anytime soon anyways since Lauren *might* put them aside. So it's either Sombra, Daybreaker or Grogar.

And the fact that I said that I changed my mind and that there can be only one villain is because if we put Sombra, Daybreaker and Grogar all in the movie it will have to be a series.

However if Lauren Faust's shutdown on MLP films is his final choice, then sorry if I blabbered this out of my mouth.


Clap, clap, clap. Nicely misperceived notions. Each one has a legitimate source of potential and all, right down to the fact of where and what Grogar could have been doing in his past time. And while the fourth ideas holds more validation, I think we're forgetting major place that Grogar and all of his magic could be trapped in. And this goes back to the 3rd theory you spoke of. Now this really has nothing to do with say the mirror portal or the purgatory spell, but rather reality itself having hidden pockets and tears where things can be sealed and stored for easy access. Similar to Deadpools notion of hammerspace. What's more though is there IS evidence of such a thing existing in the shows canon. Not to mention Grogars Magic could very well be the tiny little influence that sparked so much insanity in the first place. And this goes WAY back, starting with Luna's corruption into Nightmare moon and leading up to The Evil 3 turning on Discord. The evidence I'm talking about, of course, is a scene from the second half of the season 7 finale, Shadow Play. When the 2 groups finally track down The Pony of Shadows, aka Stygian, they discover him in front of a wall marked with strange ruins. Wanna take a guess at what sid wall is holding back?

i think the wall has something to do with grogar,im calling it


I dont think the elements of harmony are stronger than discord but are one of the few things he is extremely weak against. he is a spirit of chaos and the opposite of that is order or harmony. so it more like kryptonite with superman. also speaking of the elements of harmony, you notice that they only really zapped someone good twice. nightmare moon and sunset. but ll other bad guys stayed the same. they either got turned to stone or lossed their power. this series seemed to avoid the "just zap them good" with most of their villains.


I love mythical creatures,and astrology.This show is THE boom


What about chrysalis most villains experienced a well known 1000 year banishment and cozy glow and starlight just chose recently but chrysalis’s backstory was never revealed, how old is she,how powerful is she, was she banished, if so how was she, what had she been up to, and who is the dad of the changlings


MLP has a lot of George Lucas' philosophy of rhyming with the past. With that it's best to look at the original Grogar and see what matches up. He does have a bell, lives in a place called Tambelon, the realm of Darkness. What is different though is that Gusty was not there to defeat him. It was Megan and Earthstar (Pegasus) who did it. There was a Gusty and she was a powerful but impulsive unicorn. She didn't  get involved until much later in the series.

In the comics and series they have been slowly building up to that Shadows and a dark realm exists. Can see that with the Pony of shadows, well of shadows, Umbra ponies (like Sombra), What took and put the seed of corruption in Luna to feed off her jealousy of her sister, and some other stories. The Nightmare Knights story line actually hand Luna have a run in with the Pony of Shadows again, showing it's a multi-diamentional being  separate of Stygian.

I have a feeling that this will be touched on again in the comics. In big part due to Nightmare Knight's writer is involved with the Season 10 comics. I think they will be part of all this. Back at the Well of Shadows and possibly causing Tambelon to return once again, with it will bring Grogar. They already hinted that Dawn Breaker is a real being too that was enslaved by the Pony of Shadows and released by Luna in hopes to reform her to be like Celestia. Luna was unable to do so but Dawn took mercy on Luna and let her and the Knights go for releasing her... but showed interest in the main world where Luna is from, leading Stygain to rebreak the mirror to that realm... So we will see.


If they do a reunion, they will return, nothing that evil goes away forever


Tirek, CG, and Chryssi can totally stay encased forever. Discord only escaped his statue because the CMC were fighting, stirring chaos, feeding him enough power to break out. that would mean their signature magics would have to take some part in releasing them

Tirek = his power is stealing magic, and i don't think anypony would ever be willing to give theirs away to release him
CG = a Pegasus. a Wonderbolts show in the vicinity perhaps? still highly unlikely, since flying little more than a physical representation of the Pegasus magic
Chryssi = she thrives off (stealing) love, so this one's the most likely. there's a lot of love in Equestria, but even the changelings are better off w/o her, so why?

now i bring up, if any of the 3 would be released, who and why. Tirek! of those 3, he was the one most willing to accept the others' friendship (CG was using it to manipulate, and Chryssi actively avoids the very idea of friendship). of those 3, he'd be the one who's actually willing to improve himself (yes this might also be leading into a Tirek/Scorpan reunion, but idc)


I hope their will be a new generation of MLP
Like you, know , under twilight’s rule?
Sounds cool , right?


Heck, time for fanfic writers to unite and go wild with this


You spoke of elements of disharmony, 5 years ago if you remember, now a question of mine!

Male a vid on it please!

Could Grogar's bell be one of elements of disharmony?

Greed perhaps cuz' it takes magic and gives to himself!


I simply thought when the bell was removed he was weakened and didn’t have enough power to regain equestria


The syrens are a type of evil mythological creature.  Maybe there will be others, like kelpies or naiads (since kelpies usually drown people to their death like naiads).


My theory is that Grogar <i>is</i> the bell (or more accurately he's sealed inside it)

My theory is that Grogar _is_ the bell (or more accurately he's sealed inside it)


I just like that when the three were turned to stone, the other two were afraid, but Chrysalis kept her anger!

I agree. Chrysalis was definitely angry when she got turned to stone.


Maybe they were broken.  Discord's spell broken by his essence, Nightmare Moon because of Twilight not being able to see the strenghts in unity and The Crystal Empire by a counter spell.


i doubt Cozy, Tirek and Chrysalis would team up with the real Grogar, they'd more then likely think its Discord playing them for fools again


maybe you could do a video or maybe just mention the concept of cutie pox, overall it wasn’t really touched on again and may have some implications like how previously starlight glimmer managed to remove cutie marks, this maybe could be applied to cutie pox and possibly make artificial cutie marks? nobody has really talked about it but I don’t think it will change anything about the show but it’s an interesting theory.


I wish someone would just tell us what really happened to Grogar.


Well i  think maybe Discord and the sisters are strong. Celestia know they can use the elements in it's full power, because of her relationship with luna, and the fear of nightmere moon or daybreaker. Thats why try to find a student of friendship,a better queen, one who master the elements of armony.


Well, in one of the older series of MLP, Grogar had been banished to the shadow realm. They might do a nod to the original...


I think the only way they could escape is if the statue gets damaged like Discord's did. So put their statues in a bulletproof barrier! 🤣


So this is what you do in your spare time

Make out of just a few things in an episode(s)  a full logical explanation

Oh yeah and thx for making these bc i like these theory’s


I think they will face a very powerful evil from outside the realm of their world. And they may not be able to stop it’s coming storm.


The possibilities are endless, because the villains were wasted in the finale just so completely


I really hope legion of doom will rise again with more villains this time....and Sombra too


Grogar is my favorite character in the mlp franchise I just hope they use him for gen 5


I think discord unleashed from his prison because of the actual discord of the cutie mark crusaders in front of him that gave him the opportunity to do so.

So in the same logic tyrek chrysalis and cosie Glau can be unleashed when given more power I think

Sorry for the ortograph I'm not English so I may have made some mistakes


I may not have watched MLP but I probably speak for some fans to think it's a bit anticlimactic that these three Villains are in cased in stone and end it there... There could've been more arcs for chrysalis idk


Really wanted Scorpen to make an appearance.


Seeing you post again brings back so much nostalgia


Gaining strength learning the fives fears!!!!!! That is really creapy but a good threary!!


Dear b.n.,
Can you do a theory of the cristal being one of the elements of harmony.
Think about it the 6 elements are crystals and the cristal heart is a cristal mabe the cristal hart is a long lost element of harmony.


well the makers rushed a finale once again. so I well just take the whole they faced the real Groger somewhere between the future timeline part.
while in my fan fictions I made Groger in two different ways. one of them I made him similar from G1 Groger. the other I made him into Starswirl's rival and a creator of the Rainbow Of Darkness.
I using the Rainbow Of Darkness as a plot on how almost everything gone down hill from the past. and the reason why Luna, Sombra and Stygian have falling the way they did. they were infected by the peaces of the dark rainbow.
sounded like a good idea at the time. but as a writer I learn some moments of each story I make had holes ether that or just bad writing. so I make updates and remake.


The villains will most likely come back in the season 10 comic


Maybe that could explain why Celestia and Luna weren't in the future scenes in the final episode. Oh and when I read the title, it reminded me a lot of the line Luke Skywalker said in the teaser trailer for Star Wars Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker.


i hated what they did to Chrysalis at the end. She's the archetypal villain that would rather stab you in the back then accept ANY HELP FROM ANYONE. AT all. The writers also ripped off Avengers Endgame. If they wanted to do that, they should have brought in Sweetie Bot and turned her INTO ULTRON.


You forget that Discord is not a living being but a spirit, chaos incarnated, so of course, in "HIS" case, turned into a statue, he would remain aware.


I'm not sure if the villains will come back in the season 10 comics but I would like see a comic story of Svengallop getting revenge on Applejack and Rara.


I think that they actually could have been rehabilitated instead of just being 'Statued' in the end. It would have been a great payoff to the 'Frenemies' episode...


Maybe they will make a secluded with us seeing how Twilight and her friends rule their kingdom


I have a question ,does zecora count as a witch


Here another theory. Was Ocellus destined to take Chrysalis? Because in the episode What Lies Beneath it showed that her fear was becoming like Chrysalis.


This makes me want to make a next (X2) gen comic


5:24 I never really thought the three of them that's scary.but.....when you tell the explanation and put the music just give me a chill like they were staring at me from behind...brrrrr thinking like that reaalllyyyy scary😨😨😨😨


I will always be mad at the grogar twist and twilight awful design


Honestly, I would LOVE to see a story that takes place after the show ends where the new generation of elements(Perhaps with Twilight and the others help) have to stop a zealous group of ponies from destroying the statues. These zealots want a world with no evil, no cruel tyrants, no disasters waiting to happen. So, they decide to take it upon themselves to destroy the statues. Now you have to ask the question: Does EVERYONE deserve a chance for redemption, or are some people beyond saving and deserve what happens to them?


Can’t they just break the stones? That way, the villains can never come back.


My Big question is... Tirek's father was mentioned by name. Who was he???


Oh I don't believe that the spell wore off on discord. I believe Celestia broke the spell to free discord. She was the one that wanted the girls to break the spell they put on him. It was all a trick from her.


I only watched until season 8, so one question, what turned cozy glow into an alicorn?

Peggy Pegasus Grogar’s bell although she was turned back in the end and unfortunately turned into stone


90% sure star swirl threw everything to the human world


The moon feels weird after realize what we have done.


What if!
All of this is addressed in the new gen of MLP!
Also... there’s a MLP movie comong out in 2022... probably for the new gen!


I think you should be wondering what happen to Cosyglow's parents.


Maybe Cozy Glow. Tirek and Chrysalis can reform into good and not try to destroy


Ok, clearly The princesses should had the statues destroyed! Like the Storm King


The Brony Notion, could you make a video about male alicorns, if they exist or not? That would be cool.


And he was still hiding in the future!!!!


Maybe, one of the main six is grogare !!!


If I am not mistaken discord spell weaken due to the cutimark crusader fighting and in essence causing chaos but it's been awhile since I've watched that episode


speaking of season 10 it was anounced that this spring will air on tv by the way   but i also would like to speculate the future   its not just going to be in the comics  season ten was hinted for spring 2020 or it could be rumored  but ill look into it further


yall remember the comic where twilight gets possessed by a star gem and summons discords ex-girlfriend


Am i the only one thats wondering bout this... Discord was stuck in the same stone prision as tirek, crysalis and cosy glow... Arent they also possible to escape then...


i have a question. WHO THE FLIP WROTE THAT BEWITCHING BELL MANUAL?


Did you not see the end cradits with the newspaper?

It showed the three unstoned


Makes sense. If Discord couldn't be trapped in stone forever, how could these 3 be?

Discord is more powerful than them combinrd


Has anyone ever thought about MALE alicorns? There is no male alicorn on the show. Can only females be alicorn?


could earth pony without horn and wing become alicorn...?


Interesting theory... so I made the right choice on reforming unlike that evil variant of mine


Grogar is waiting for Applejack, Rarity, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, Starlight, and Rainbow Dash to pass. It'll only be Twilight, Spike, Discord, Celestia and Luna. Grogar and the other relics that he probably has will be more than enough to subdue Twilight in her saddened state. Unable to control her emotions when Grogar strikes at the mourning of her friends.


Cozy Glow,
I want you become good near pony.

*Cozy Glow,*
I want you become good near pony.


<b>gets a Flammenwerfer</b> waiting for the 3 villains

*gets a Flammenwerfer* waiting for the 3 villains


well season 9 was the final season . its over no grogar here


I’m going off Gen 1 Grogar is gone gone.


Unless they decided to put their frozen state in a cockatrice sanctuary.


In equestria girls series they may be there like the dazzlings!


if u read harry potter and talked about it, even for one episode, i will subscribe


Do you truly believe that there will be a season 10 of my Little pony and you truth about groger will come back


Am i the only one that thinks of tartar sauce when they say tartarus???


Queen chrysalis could have anyone  to have a new hive. She could have any brony she could have, but out of all of the Bronies that she could have,... she chose me. Why the living BUCK does it always have to be me?


What would happen if Applejack was evil?


Didn’t it applebloom sweetie belle and scootleloo arguing to break discord’s imprisonment in season 2 and what if used his chaos magic too make the stone spell permanent


Hi bn I just thought  I just thought  in case you were running out of ideas on what videos to post I would love to know what you think of the last three episodes of season nine if you don’t wanna do it that’s totally fine it was just a suggestion thanks


Hasbro please bring MLP back with Season 10. I would like to see Flash Sentry marries Twilight Sparkle and have a new baby. Also I would want to see a grown up Flurry Heart.


What if gusty had turned grogar into some magic energy form and he is not in the stars but rather frees and goes into the elements of harmony. I bet that a movie will come to end the grogar theory ps what is your real name


How bout diamond tiara turning evil, i mean she has an op ability, getting what she wants/ whatever she says will be followed. Or pinkie pie overlord of chaos., Thats a great twist, a goodie turned evil.


I’m glad the storm king is gone and shattered into pieces. That goofy, garbo antagonist was no good.


Wait! Where's the summoning of Sombra clip in 3:25 from!?


maybe the student 6 fight agents the real Grogar in the window scen.


Me:*hasnt watched MLP in 4 years*.     Me:guess who’s bouta go leaf some tHiNgS


I think the statue was smashed shortly after the events of *The Ending of the End*.


Sinse tirec was in tartarus since the humans existed in equestria, i think grogar was locked in tartarus by humans at that time and escape after the humans gonne


I just realized you sound kinda like Sunburst.


U should watch the fall of the crystal empire is really good


Yes . But discord is more stronger than the third villains . His have very strong magic . My theory is discord hear selestia talk and escape  because have very strong  magic . The third villain don't have  very strong magic .


Grogar could be the next mlp movie bad guy , I heard theres a second movie planned who knows


The Brony Notion I'd argue he's one of the best villains. Only one i can think of that managed to win the battle beforehand and only really loosing to chance. And it's even interesting to see how he is at his best when he's on the back foot (hoof) and utterly blinded by hubris when on top.

what a boring character honestly. so much wasted potential and all he needed was a backstory


What is the fate of gusty the great or sombra

Hey that rhymed also love you videos


5:14 that’s creepy thx for my nightmares

Edit: pause before click


I think Discord break free, because the Cutie Mark Crusaders argued... thus making a little bit of chaos.<br>Discord feed on that and freed himself.

I think Discord break free, because the Cutie Mark Crusaders argued... thus making a little bit of chaos.
Discord feed on that and freed himself.


Please don't tell at me but I think that the elements of harmony created discord


But don't the elements of harmony fade will discord have more power


Hmmm well yes frozen time forever I doubt that, nothing is forever given time even mountains become hills. Light and darkness need each other to exist noting and no one is totally good or totally evil. Even a faint light shines brightest when it is surrounded by darkness.


Does twilight have to make starlight an alicorn now or is it still celestia and luna or somthing????


Flurry heart isnt a PRINCES she isnt VROWNED


When Chrysalis Tirek and Cozy Awakens

JoJo Bizzare Adventure Awaken Pillar Men Theme


Maybe I guess maybe the children of the mane 6 will try to stop them and save Equestria


Grogar was banished along with the land he rules in the generation one mlp I posted a comment on your other video your theories are not right


I think thems free coming back to get ringanh and a powerful friendship can set them free


i dont care about the comics, id rather watch Season 10.


OK I just came to your earliest video from another video so in the video it said this also on the show” The birth of an alacorn is something Equestria never seen before” and it says a Questria I’m just saying maybe The sisters are from a whole different place itself<br>Just saying

OK I just came to your earliest video from another video so in the video it said this also on the show” The birth of an alacorn is something Equestria never seen before” and it says a Questria I’m just saying maybe The sisters are from a whole different place itself
Just saying


Please do a theory of why did Celestia and Luna made twilight a ruler she is the princess of friendship how come she looks like Celestia in the last problem. Was it magic or something else?


VIDEO IDEA:<br>MLP and Undertale similarities :D

VIDEO IDEA:
MLP and Undertale similarities :D


I'm sorry, I know it's a really minor part of this video, but I swear you just said "ceberus" not "cerberus" and that triggered me XD


i imagine like.. say saying omg they are freee, who will help us now, and suddelntly someone says "Titan ready" AND THERE APPEARS A FOKIN TITAN FROM THE SKY EPIC MUSIC BOOM BOOM PEW PEW and finally done with villians .c.


М. Түвшинжаргал


And maybe he was hiding Thurs season 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9


Brony Notion, check out the MLP Disney chronicles please.


But... My Little Pony Friendship is Magic ended. 😕?

@Shanice Ball hey no problem m8 happy to help!

@CaptainOpvious <b>OMG! I KNEW THAT THAT COULDN'T BE IT!!! Thank you!</b> 😍💗

@CaptainOpvious *OMG! I KNEW THAT THAT COULDN'T BE IT!!! Thank you!* 😍💗

Νοpe s10 is comming to commics and its canon


in comic form. which i think is bs and a cop out


Umm hi can you some for can you do a video where you a top of the strongest my little pony characters also can exclude the characters when they powered up and just use them when they were in there normal state


Hi sorry to bring this up now but in the episode where Rainbow Dash and the gold horseshoe girls go to los Pegasus when their air balloon land there is well a alicorn stallion they're landing it


Well then, do u think my little pony will upload a new episode?

@pugtube 9999 and redtube 9999 I just hope it will not be bad :3


dose that mean mlp fim season 10 is comeing or 11? or 80??


I mean before that heh-heh 😅<br>(With the video from 5 months ago)

I mean before that heh-heh 😅
(With the video from 5 months ago)


i think grogar is not real maybe is just a story


Were is celestia  luna and cadence in the final season  they survived for 1111 years how do they die


I hope for new villans and hate the one who made this movie end so soon 😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠


Hey, I think you should do which of the main six is most likely to be gay/lesbian because I think that would be really interesting and as we haven’t seen much of love interests from the ponies (except from in equestria girls but oh well) it would be good to really analyse their behaviour. But hey, it’s just an idea.


God plz make this fake! I don't want to see much bad vilians in mlp!


But Twilight is not a princess alicorn in 5th generation, she doesn't exist... Your last video of the 5th generation said that twilight had created three magic artefacts and she was like dead or something... Or do u think the 10th season is the continue never done of the my little ponies?


I think maybe discord wasn’t free because time or maybe it’s source chaos the cutie mark cutesardes we fighting I think that was enough power of to wake up


Why you always said that I am in chrysalis site


ok you just pointed out my biggest fim issue and it's season 10, it doesn't f*ing exist, we don't use the word season for comics or books in English, use the f*ing language properly.

that's just the name of the comic series


Where did discord come from je is a mix so what and where is he from


Do you think spike lothers sunset shimmer


bruh u talk to much just chill and watch the MOVI. its a movie not a science project!!!!!!!!


Um oh fuck I can't believe I am saying this but crogar is still alive but mechanised so there's a show called dinotrux and wow its like my little pony so crogar is destrux from dinotrux like how evox from power rangers beast moxthpers is venjex from rpm


I trink about the dark matter empire of Kirby world will beack the space and time for attack this world


Maybe even the most vocal stuff too I really want to say something to me saying come here her sister for a forever and ever no I think Buster is it just look like sunset shimmer because I am saying hello really and make her back she’s just playing in my freckle with us even she is


I'm definitely late to the party here, but... I just can't ignore the RATHER MAJOR detail that gets ignored on the subject of The Three getting out of their stony prison eventually: Discord did not break out of his prison because 'the spell wore off', nor JUST because the CMC had a fight near him, though that may have been the final catalyst. He was able to break out because the Elements had been transferred from Celestia & Luna to the Mane Six, thus apparently cutting the stone-prison spell off from whatever 'upkeep cost' it has. Hence, the spell gradually weakened, and he was finally able to break it. If the Elements hadn't been transferred, he would presumably have remained imprisoned indefinitely. Now, The Three weren't imprisoned with the help of the Elements, but with the help of DISCORD HIMSELF. So presumably the only way the scenario that allowed HIM to escape might play out for them, would be if Discord DIED. And he's an immortal chaos-god. Soooooo... yeah. Still not impossible that they might be able to escape, but they'd definitely need some significant outside help - from someone stronger than Discord, which is a short list indeed.


4:20 Petrifying spells do not wear off. It's only because of Discord's affinity with chaos magic that he was able to wear away at the spell. Or did you not notice WHY and WHEN Discord was able to escape. CMC fighting in VERY close proximity got the stone to crack a little, after which we see Discord's essence in the statue. Discord is also the only one who can fight with any given good or bad caster with no power boost. Be it Royal Sisters, Mane Six, or any bad guy, given incentive to actually fight, and not "teach a lesson".


Besides, sirens can find a portal to equestria and regain strength thanks to the grogar.  Sombra can also be returned and forced to cooperate. Then there will be a grand battle of 13 elements of harmony (6 in the world of ponies and 7 in the world of people) against an army of villains who can turn not only other ponies by sirens, Sombra and Chrysalis, but also changelings, dragons, and other marriages against the main 6.  Of course, the heroes can resort to the help of deers, zebras-sorceresses, Scorpan- brother of Tirek, Discord, maybe Selestia and Luna come back and bring some powerful artifacts. This is what I expected from the finale of Season 9!

 And it would be interesting if villains won and it turned out that the whole series was narrated on behalf of the grown-up Cozy Gloe, who destroyed all competitors and solely ruled Equestria and told her student the story of her former adversaries and former alliesthe, story of her fame. She was the youngest and most cunning, she could only wait for the right moment to strike a decisive blow and get absolute power over all the lands, not only equestria, but also neighboring.


I really like your Star theory about Grogar. I definitely think he’s still in the stars but maybe the spell that’s cast him into the sky will lose its power soon and release him.


These are good theories. I also see the posibility that Grogar simply died. Well, Tirek lived a really really long time and Tirek heard about Grogar when he was a child + Grogar needed much time to collect all of this magic. Can anything live that long? What about Discord? Discord was present in Tireks kingdom, before Tirek attacked Equestria. Did Discord heard from it like Tirek did? Or did he met Grogar himsel? Maybe he died at the attack after Gusty took his bell away. If the attack from the ponies were strong enough to weaken him with the bell, what happened after his bell was stolen? He got weaker until he dies? But Maybe he managed to escape.<br>For the other three villains: I think that Twilight will not wait until they are free again. I think that she would free them herself under high security with her friends, Discord, Celesti, Luna and many others in case they try to flee. Twilight could try to talk to them. She considers that the villains  regret their actions or think of a better way. She offers them peace and try to figure out how their goals can get achieved without getting anyone hurted. Chrysalis wanted to feed herself and her subjects. If Thorax and his brother can talk to her and explain to her that they're no longer hungry anymore, she can be redeemed. Twilight could talk out the father-son-problems with Tirek. Sadly, we didn't get to know what Cozy Glows goals were. She wanted to bring the magic into another dimension...maybe she disguised herself into a little filly. No one would see any danger in her. While other villains look terrifying and powerful, she looks weak and innocent. She's manipulative, that's why it's smarter to have a nice look then a powerful look, that doesn't look like you're needing them.

These are good theories. I also see the posibility that Grogar simply died. Well, Tirek lived a really really long time and Tirek heard about Grogar when he was a child + Grogar needed much time to collect all of this magic. Can anything live that long? What about Discord? Discord was present in Tireks kingdom, before Tirek attacked Equestria. Did Discord heard from it like Tirek did? Or did he met Grogar himsel? Maybe he died at the attack after Gusty took his bell away. If the attack from the ponies were strong enough to weaken him with the bell, what happened after his bell was stolen? He got weaker until he dies? But Maybe he managed to escape.
For the other three villains: I think that Twilight will not wait until they are free again. I think that she would free them herself under high security with her friends, Discord, Celesti, Luna and many others in case they try to flee. Twilight could try to talk to them. She considers that the villains  regret their actions or think of a better way. She offers them peace and try to figure out how their goals can get achieved without getting anyone hurted. Chrysalis wanted to feed herself and her subjects. If Thorax and his brother can talk to her and explain to her that they're no longer hungry anymore, she can be redeemed. Twilight could talk out the father-son-problems with Tirek. Sadly, we didn't get to know what Cozy Glows goals were. She wanted to bring the magic into another dimension...maybe she disguised herself into a little filly. No one would see any danger in her. While other villains look terrifying and powerful, she looks weak and innocent. She's manipulative, that's why it's smarter to have a nice look then a powerful look, that doesn't look like you're needing them.


In fact, the spell cast by the royal sisters on Discord was supposed to last forever.

But since Celestia banished Luna, she broke the connection between them and the elements.

So all the spells cast with the elements were weakened and given a time limit.

Which means the spell cast on Tirek, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow has no time limit.


There’s one key thing to remember discord and by extension the Crystal Empire/Sombra only came back because the elements of harmony had synced with new bearers meaning they were no longer tied to Celestia and Luna. That was the reason the discord was able to break free and you could guess as to why the Crystal Empire returned. Because Celestia Luna and discord cast a stone spell on the three villains it may mean something will need to happen to all three of them in order for the stone spell to start weekend on those three. It’s not a matter of strength but more a matter of circumstances.


They could have done so much more with the show. There was still so much potential.  They shouldn't have ended it so soon


Hi, since I saw the last episode of season 9 I had this little theory about how Cozy Glow could be redeemed. I I thought maybe the Cutie Mark Crusaders would reform her because in the last episode you can see a stained glass window in the back with cmcs so I thought maybe they were the ones that reform her since they tried to befriend her in season 8.


I hope that we will learn a bit about Cozy Glow's background in the Season 10 comics, where she could also be de-stoned for a hearing or trial. Is she an orphan? Is she really a young filly or does she just appear as one? What if Twilight put some sort of lock on her magic and made a serious effort to reform her?


I think after the ending of s9, grogar escaped from the bell and started to gain power. After a few years or so, he would be strong enough to break the stone spell on tirek cosy glow and chrysalis, making one final attack, 4 of them together.


The turned to stone thing...I hear many argue that line that Discord says he still heard things and folks take that to mean he was still conscious while in a stone state. And thus, they think Cozy and the the other 2 are the same state. This is wrong in my view. First, Discord is a god level tier magic ability. He certainly would have been able to have more magic power and resistance to the full effects of the spell. The 3 villains, they were first blasted and drained of their overpowered/enhanced magic abilities.  Left in their natural state even,  it is no where near the god tier that Discord has. They would have zero resistance or magic power chance to combat the spell or any such god tier magic reservoir to tab into over the years to become aware of there surroundings or to lessen the effect of the spell.  (Also, real world answer, it has been stated by the writers that those 3 are in a sleep/suspended animation state and frozen in time.) Secondary thought, when Twilight was turned to stone early on by the cockatrise, and later Mud Briar, there was no lines by them to say they were conscious during that time.


I have read a really good story and it's about Discord who reformed the Frenemies by using different strategies with them and giving them a second chances. The title if you want is Three Second Chances and it's really good and touching.


Well that's really good theory , nothing can stay forever in peace , the evil never disappear . We may see them again in 2021 maybe and I really hope because I like that show . Characters like Grogar never disappear , im sure he's was watching the mane six somewhere far away the whole time from the beginning of season one to nine to see what kind of enemies his going to face when he will come and how they work , I think all those hard moments the mane six faced was Grogar's game


Thank you for still loving on MLP! 😋<br>Like the title, the show might be over, but the true fans are never really gone!

Thank you for still loving on MLP! 😋
Like the title, the show might be over, but the true fans are never really gone!


Possible idea. Maybe the reason we haven't seen Grogar's presence is he is aware of the plans that villains have done before him. When the elements are expecting a threat or know one is going to happen they can take care of it fast and quickly. Problems only arise when they are caught off guard. I.E Chryslis capturing literally everyone without starlight knowing.


I am a little sad that he didn’t get to know a lot about Cozy’s past. For the other villains, we understand them more from knowing their past and what lead to go rouge or evil. But Cozy is also a child (or she could just could be a small adult I’m not sure) and I am little interested in what lead her into going on her path. Simply just thirsty for power, or a past that made her that way.

But also wish that the movie that hopefully will come out, that we will get to see this theory you have come true, it’s interesting


I think that some of them will comeback. I think twilight already knows a spell that makes it possible for her to hear them and try to talk to them. But it is useless. Twilight gives up learning that you can’t save everyone a lesson she desperately needs to learn. And she gets pissed. She orders the statue to be dump deep into the everfree forest. Luster reminds her that it could be used as a reminder that there is always failure in life and you can ignore it or learn from it.

She goes to retrieves it only to find out Taft the statues are gone.

It’s actually groagar this time.

But assume it’s discoed she finds out that discord and Fluttershy are setting up a wedding invitation means that the big bad is coming and it’s twilight job to warn everyone about the bigger threat


I'm in the minority that believes Cozy and Chryssi if the stone was mearely over the flesh and not of the bone, will more than likely starve to death. Cause unlike Discord, they aren't filled with excessive amounts of chaos magic.

And if it was everything in general(like actual petrification) there wouldn't be any level of consciousness.


Im pretty sure Discord only escaped because of feeding off of chaos and overcoming the elements, but the trio dont have the kind of feeding ability discord has, and so may not be able to overcome the magic imprisoning them


Perhaps Grogar was trapped in the bell, but that wouldn't mean he died just because the bell was destroyed. In Inspiration Manifestation, when Rarity finally remembered who she was, the magic left her and some strange remnant of that magic left in the form of a green mist never to be seen again. Perhaps that's what happened to Grogar, his essence turned into a mist that will probably try to latch onto something else

Now you could make the argument that the Inspiration Manifestation spell didn't dissapear because it used Rarity as a vessel, as it was still in control of her after Spike destroyed the book, but that doesn't mean Grogar's reign ended forever. See, in the comics they showed Sombra's origins as some creature from a species trapped in a crystal in the far outskirts of the Crystal Empire. This crystal acted as a gateway to some other plain of existence, as the beings within this plain, the creatures that Sombra originated from, all took a form entirely different to the world outside of the crystal, it looked like everything in the world was a sketch in a fairy tale

Grogar's Bell could very well be a gateway to another world that any magic within it is banished to. This could mean that Grogar is still alive within this other world, but because the Bell no longer exists, he no longer has a gateway out. But considering how the Mane 6 have dealt with countless other dimensions in the past plus Discord and Star Swirl can just straight up make random portals leading to any dimension, it's only a matter of time before Grogar finds another way out of the world of the bell and into the world of Equestria


I love this theory of where Grogar could be! And Brony Notion, I am writing a fanfic on my DeviantArt account, called The Reign of Grogar, where Grogar indeed returns and unleashes his evil on Equestria.


I might have misheard or something, and I can't find the episode that it was mentioned, but I thought it was specifically stated that Sombra did not fully die, he was "dispersed into the ether" or some such nonsense. I remember distinctly being disappointed. But, that would mean that Discord cannot bring back the dead. (Or at least has not been shown to. He seems awfully worried about Fluttershy's safety if he could just bring her back.)


tbh there could be hope for cozy and tirek they almost turned up on the mountain and started believing in friendship till crystalis jumped in, i reacon if separated from her they might be swayed to turn a new leaf.


2:42 I seriously hope that Discord WON'T bring back Grogar in the Season 10 comics. The fact that he brought back the other villains in the first place was already a huge middle finger to his character development so I would really prefer that his character doesn't get bastardized even further. People often make the argument that his actions were "in character" and I would agree with that if he had just been reformed.

After 5 seasons of character development, Discord should know damn well that uniting villains to attack his friends is a horrific idea and makes him look as if he hasn't learned a thing about Friendship which he was even called out on.Preceding to bring back Grogar as well will only further solidify that he never became a better person since reforming.


3 comments:
1) It is possible that the "real" Grogar may still be somewhere out there in the MLP FIM world, maybe waiting for the right time to strike or cause maybe a Pandora's box like affect.
2) I honestly think the real reason why Discord did what he did throughout season 9 was because he was probably being in way over his head in either getting Twilight to stop doubting everything (especially herself and her friends) and start showing more courage and confidence or trying to find a good way to reform Chrysalis, Cozy Glow, Sombra or Tirek.
3) One ultimate question I can think of right now, that I hope the comic books would answer is; What role will Flurry Heart play for equestria?  As in what kind of princess will Flurry become when she's grown up?


I think the frozen spell is forever the rainbow weakened them so if the affects of discord PLUS the elements of harmony (rainbow) should be close to forever. Grogar could be changed in the time gap he could use his bell to remove their magic so if they do escape grogar can take their magic so they dont cause trouble.


Many people overlook that Grogar's bell was stronger than the harmony beam. It continued to function after being blasted, something that not even Discord could do, and had to be activated to get the magic out of it. Compare that to how the elements drained Tirek of his stolen magic in season 4. I think that Grogar was possibly more powerful than Discord if he could make something able to withstand the show's Deus Ex Machina.


To me Banishment to an unknown location or turn to stone and coming back or freed from imprisonment after a certain amount of time sounds like time outs and groundings


Could Gorgar have been sucked into the elements of harmony, recycling his own magic to aid rather then destroy ?


I am not very good at theories but I am thinking maybe they come back in gen 5 or possibly a gen 6. But that is merely this VamPony's theory. I have no others theories just yet. Will see how it plays out in the "near" future. I have a feeling in me gut that our friends over at Hasbro has something very very big planned.


I hope those villians can get reformed, i love chrysalis so much for years and i know she will be good, one day<br>Sry for my inglish im portuguese

I hope those villians can get reformed, i love chrysalis so much for years and i know she will be good, one day
Sry for my inglish im portuguese


wait discord could hear everything even when he was turned into stone
SO maybe the legion of doom could hear a spell by twilight or luster dawn or someone else magical which could work in their imagination and then take place in reality .
But the question is what are they gonna do?
for me I think they will either :
1. tirek would release all the tartarus creatures including Cerberus and make them evil and chrysalis would turn all the changeling bad or would make changeling army for cozy well she would release grogar or become the "empress of friendship " etc etc
2. wish to become the most powerful creatures
3. destroy the mane 7 and spike
4.wish to be the rulers
5. or turn everyone against goodness

sorry but I think the grogar =discord theory may be debunked by :
remember when twilight said " while nopony  had try to reach cloudsdale on hoof. ..........." that means clouds used to not need a pegasi to walk on them so here's what I think after gusty banished grogar he must've cast a spell that only pegasi magic can allow to touch clouds but he must've made a counter spell which twilight may have used the time there was the best young flyers competion
so coming back why did grogar need to go to cloudsdale well here's why there might have been some kind of magical artifact there
and one more thing you said that this happend before the story of hearths warming but cloudsdale is in equestria and there might have been a chance that this happened before the windigoes froze the old land
but the chances of that are very low


I have a theory that gusty never cast the spell it was grogar to protect his bell and the story that discord told was only half true maybe he also wanted to gain more power with having that bell I think grogar new his rain would be over soon so rather than have the bell destroyed  he cast the stop anyone from taking but discord found out  but is power was not strong enough to disable the spell       but with him rediemd and a test coming for Twilight he tried again and sucsseded and grogar now would want revenge so he is coming but for who?  also cool star wars reference