Dave Plummer: The Man Who Scammed Millions (in 2006)

I'mma state this like this but, I can tell he got in a autistic tantrum because of the investigation of yours. I already anticipated that something like this was going to happen. I don't know about law but I surely hope you'll be just fine.

Tho Dave needs to understand, sucks to be associated with such gross tactics, but you can't delete your past, he accepted and directed the production of these softwares and he can't deny it was bad. It's not necessary to have legal fight with another youtuber now. So I think Dave needs to calm down.

scammer

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I think his reaction is very unfortunate, thank you for doing better and emerging in better light than Dave overall.

@@Endermanch I read the chat logs, and Dave is just doing a bunch of dancing around the questions.

@@Endermanch Amazing. Good work :)

@@fusspawn hey, I added the timecodes and corrections for my misstatements in the description of the old video. You can check that out. Everything else I stand behind.

Any chance of a change list. Watched the entire thing first time around. having to watch the entire thing again to find out what you screwed up seems weird. If your going to make accusations and then recall some of them. Do the legit thing and at least include what you screwed up on dont leave it for the viewer to work out.

@@Endermanch Thank you for adding that!

@@Zaro2008 I think you missed the link in the description

I'm not saying the changes are bad but changing the video after the fact definetley makes it less trustworthy. Maybe make the old video available somehow?

​@@nebulaayt me too

​@@whophd A-HA!!! JUST WHEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS NEVER GONNA BE A COMMENT WHICH SAID "bro liked his own comment"!!! you silly commentator.

@@user-ny7el1sp6hI’m not sure if it’s worth the trouble

видео стало лучше, кстати. но стало намного короче

​How about you end everything?@@user-ny7el1sp6h

i watched both :)

@Endermanch, did you "HEART" your own pinned comment? hrmm

No problem bud

Thanks for this expose.

ok

@@user-ny7el1sp6h No.

Can you reupload it a third time with professional commentary and no zoomer lingo such as "villain arc" in order to be taken more seriously?

This has increased my respect for this channel, great accountability on yourself here Enderman!

this is honestly a really big improvement over the previous version, too!! far more informative and goes into a lot more detail about what happened without meandering too much. really good work <3

Thank you. I hope Plummer at least appreciates what you did here.

lmao i had just watched the old one
chapter 2 here i go

What was specifically wrong in the original video? just so people who have already seen it don't go repeating something inaccurate by clearly knowing what was wrong.

@Endermanch W action

It is noooo problem bro

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thank you my goat

nah you're fine dude

at least you admitted that you were wrong

awesome.

@@Endermanch always support someone who can admit their mistakes and try to make it right 💜

Good of you to do that, Enderman.

okay 👍🏻
I thought I’d seen the same notification lol

Hi @Endermanch I emailed u

ok (2nd reply)

@@Endermanch i understand dont worry goat

@@TheIndigoShine He's still pretending he did nothing wrong, like Bill Gates pretending the whole Epstein fiasco never happened.

Everyone is responsible of their own reputation and this is not abusive attack from enderman. So Dave is just hurting himself at this point.

@rationalbushcraft  Not to mention he worked on the Windows kernel. He was practically one of the best programmers in the world, and he amassed wealth by selling those crappy programs? I don't know whether to laugh or be depressed.

@rationalbushcraft  I'm definitely in the spectrum but I wouldn't scam people unless I'm absolutely desperate for money. Dave was Microsoft engineer, his future was practically secured. He didn't need to sell scamware. He had no excuse, he's just a greedy lying scumbag.

Admitting being a terrible person and scammer doesn’t make it ok. Unbelievable

I also have to consider that he is autistic. Autistic people tend not to have the same personal interaction that most people do. I'm not sure we can put our interpersonal skills on him. And remember at the time this kind of thing was much more common. Even software like CC Cleaner got in trouble for that kind of thing. And Washington state does a much better job of enforcing consumers perfection than most states do. If he had done this in Texas that company would still be selling that junkware. I can't find it in myself to care much about something that happened 20 years ago. Let's make this bet. I will bet that 20 years from now companies like Google will outrage us just as much over data privacy issues.

@BaldrsFate  It's not about when he did it, it's what he did and why he's not talking about it. He's selling a book called "Secrets of the Autistic Millionaire" and it turns out his secret was making millions of dollars scamming people. Lol

Point to the part where it hurts the most, is it your butt hurting? Shit happened 15+ years ago, perhaps you can search up the people you enjoy and read about them and just move on with your life...... Or I guess you can just cry about it too....

"admitted to his mistakes instead of explicitly hiding the true nature of his"
Ow! Jeez! What was that for?
Rafiki It doesn't matter! It's in the past. laughs
Rafiki: Oh, yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it, you can either run from it or learn from it.

@@whophd Dave made millions scamming people and only had to pay 400k on fines, now he's selling a book on overcoming autism as a millionaire, dude's a scumbag, I don't think shame is the reason he's keeping quiet about it, it's just business

@@MarkHall-cf6ji mmm I'm even more generous than that — it's NOT easy, probably, all that shame. But you get a temporary pass while your red face subsides. Analogy: Even POTUS, whose judgement I quite admire, took months to admit a vital truth, and when it was obvious to the world, STILL took weeks. I'll make it the textbook case of walking back from the cliff of shame. Let's see if Dave can turn it around in a few weeks.

yeah, it's so easy to just say "I made some mistakes cause I was young and stupid, etc. etc."

as a right-libertarian can i just point out that the free market system that allows people to write and sell closed source software full of ads and spyware to computer illiterate morons who don't know how to use the open source software that does the same thing, is exactly the system that caused the invention of computers, the curing of many diseases and increased access to food for millions of people worldwide especially compared to 100 or 200 years ago

so even if its good ... in general if you are planning to step up some levels... :D i dont know where he is planning to go anyway... but that may be the reason about not talking about it :D

first line of succefful evil people or dicdators says newer accepts your wrong doings :D even if its clearly visible to the eyes of anyone :D

Look, everyone has a bit of a dark/scammy side, it's human nature. I'm glad you brought this to light, it is what it is.

When I was a kid, I thought "money is the root of all evil" was clever but oversimplified, or just an easy way to teach kids. But the older I get, the more it seems just a wiser and wiser truth. "Landlord brain" is another variant. There's probably other roots of evil, like lead … lead in the environment tracks VERY closely with all kinds of bad behaviour.

same

@@Joshwoakes my understanding is he's still unapologetic about it for example in his book and in some posts. Unless that was the inaccuracies with the original version.

@@Aeduo or he may just simplely don't want to talk about it at all because he wants to forget about it and/or he regrets his decisions. So he chooses to avoid or ignore questions about it (which is not the best choice as i learnt from experience). Instead he should at least try to respond to people by admitting the wrong doing and then saying that he doesn't want to talk about it and prefers to move on, if he really doesn't want to talk about it. Because not communcating or answering people only leads to more problems.

Edit: This is only a blind guess, I don't know for sure. However I do agree that he should say something about it.

@@Aeduo (YT comments are confusing) I was replying to your first comment "he may not believe he ever did anything wrong", and I hope you're wrong but could totally believe you're right.

@@whophd how do you mean?

@@Aeduo Right but enough people are wondering with enough reasons. In Dave's words, "what you hope to achieve" is nothing to do with the some sort of damage. It's about criticising yourself. If most people would criticise somebody else doing this stuff, then we'd like to hear what the same person says 20 years later.

he got my attention with a nice tour of IBM Mainframes... but that's about it...

same here, not everyone who does bad is inherently a bad person. still a crappy thing he did, but I just want him to respond. I can understand why he doesn't want to talk about it, but he should still

@@grabasandwich yeah that would make sense. Which would mean there'd be nothing for him to say publicly. There would be no misunderstanding of him for him to correct people on, unless he'll just be lying or trying to appeal to people who believe in similar values as he does.

​@@AeduoI'm sure he's made millions and doesn't give a sht. Apparently he has multiple patents too (possibly unrelated to these programs??)

He may not believe he ever did anything wrong.

@@nathanpeterson9386 the channel's location has been set to Australia for a long time now, even before sanctions. And even if he set it to get monetized, it would still be impossible since all YouTube doesn't support any Russian payment systems

He still pirates software on his site.

Why is it that the video is monetized then. The channel info says it's based in Australia. Is Enderman scamming YouTube?

​@@SSRSZ, I'm mostly sure enderman still resides in Kaluga (a large city in Russia), he didn't change his channel location for years btw.

​@@hikkamoriiEnderman's location in channel description in Australia. He probably moved away his country.

@@WooShell Russian channels can't get money from Youtube ads

@@WooShell OK wait. I thought Plummer was criticising him for wanting to destroy his rep, his channel and the followers he'd accrued. Like an ego punch. (Explicable but not healthy after a while). If Enderman makes money that's … not really a lot, for the hours of work that goes in … but the alternative is Google collects it and keeps it. We're talking a renewable resource here.

@@WooShell enderman can't earn money on YouTube due to recent events in eastern Europe.

@@WooShell monetization is disabled in Russia because of sanctions, so it's very unlikely he makes any money

.. because he was right? Unless Enderman deliberately demonetizes this video (which he likely won't), he's profiting off throwing dirt at a moderately-well known person.

"autism is not an excuse to bully people"

@@hikkamorii yeah not only does it make no sense, it also reflects badly on a different kind of mental condition (not autism)

especially when he literally can't make money on that

@@RealTagComputing Heh, that and "aircraft grade aluminum." There are tons of alloys of aluminum, they aren't grades they all just have slightly different properties that are useful in different applications for different reasons.

@@RealTagComputing Our joke when I worked for the DoD was that "Military Grade" = "Lowest Bidder".

I'm pretty sure ALL encryption in use deliberately by users (ssh etc) is military-grade. Military-grade is kinda meaningless.

I prefer "battle-tested" as an adjective, it can be read as "it's strong and has been used for years", while still using war-like language lol

Yeah, and the number of half-truths they spew is pretty low, “ohh military grade encryption” Well technically, but everyone can get that, so is it really military grade?

@@joechristo2 After or before this lawsuit was settled, he probably had a moment of clarity. And I say, "Dave Plummer, you are Bad Guy, but this does not mean you are 'bad' guy."

@@whophd What's your explanation for his dubious business ventures, if not avarice? He certainly isn't poor and doesn't live frugally.

@@WooShell One decade

@@WooShell I think your guess is right, and thankfully even the craziest PCs are "affordable" by "most" (for various definitions of both). For my money it's almost entirely a classic case of embarrassment. It's just making things worse because he's got a good thing going and nobody (from any perspective) wants his new hobby to end.

@@joechristo2 100%, the silence needs to break

I’d say that the first time I discovered his channel was through an advertisement that was promoted on my front feed, I believe during 2021. It seems that it was merely just to get the channel out there since I haven’t seen any since, perhaps he’s just doing it for the passion and has his own income separate from the channel?

Working at Microsoft for two decades has surely given him enough salary and stock options to not need any extra income even in retirement. He doesn't seem to be the type of guy to be into villas and yachts.

@@whophdWe can’t know that without him telling us directly unfortunately

I'd go further and say he's discovered that it's nice to be the good guy. By actually doing good guy things. Yep OK you get to keep that, but you also have to call Old You the a--hole, criticise your old self.

Strangest thing in life and politics, is even today, how RARE it is to get a blog / video / podcast with someone saying "I changed my mind, because X". With actual track record of years in one direction, then years in another.

And I'm excluding people like JD and Liz Truss who sell to the highest bidder but never talk about why their wisdom levelled up. Because it didn't.

Yeah, that's kinda my feel on it too. Easy money, everyone was doing it, etc, etc. But just own it, say you were young foolish and stupid and feel bad about it, then we can all move on. I recently watched Chris Boden's video about going to prison, and the thing that impressed me about the video is that he owned it. For all I know he left a ton of stuff out, maybe he was totally selling drugs and has a crypto wallet that the feds never found with millions of dollars of BTC in it, but he at least came across as willing to be open own up to making mistakes. And that makes me a whole lot less suspicions, and a whole lot more willing to trust him. And here's the thing, I don't expect him to start his YouTube career with a video about this, the fact that he has never brought it up before is fine. There's no reason to bring up shit from your own past when nobody asked. But now someone has asked, and the appropriate way to handle that is to just own up to it.

I’m afraid I can’t be so charitable. His software was an obvious scam and the way it perverted the windows OS to hamper people uninstalling it and bombard them with popups is really lame and almost childish. The fact he was making millions every year from this means he certainly wasn’t desperate for cash. He was milking the damned thing for all it was worth!
I don’t give a crap what he says in response, or if he chooses to ignore this. I’m unsubscribing AND blocking his channel right now.

@@mattrogers6646 +100

The way Dave responds, or lack thereof, will dictate whether I continue to subscribe to his channel. I hope many more of his subscribers take a similar approach. The only reason I am not unsubscribing immediately is so I will know if he addresses it, but so far it does not look good.

yep if this doesn't change direction, it'll be a textbook case of poor crisis management

@@Endermanch figured as much

It's going to be a hot topic! I don't want to make people think it's recent... He might be a changed man now

@@ahmetmutlu348 Serial ports still have a bunch of industrial applications to interface with old equipment which would be expensive to replace. There isn't really any call for serial based devices in the home anymore, so they decided they could make extra $$$ by disabling people's bought and paid for hardware so that if they happen to need it control some old industrial equipment, they have to buy the PRO version. This is pretty typical behaviour of techgiants, Linux is always available for you to try and escape if you can!

for example windows patent protektion code chain which is mostlikely %60 + of the times the reason of blue screens around the world and doesnt correctly check if licence is walid and sometimes can kill corporate or valid users systems too. which is why i newer bought and newer tought of buying a windows licence... because it can act as you are pirating .. ie sometimes it blocks lots of features of system on oem windowses... for example todays most home edition limited windowses which comes as oem on new devices blocks serial port access for whatewer reasons on most of devices :D they dont even tell you.. which some kind of scam..

well task manager is a good software tough ... still making a good thing doesnt make anything you made evil a good or acceptable thing :D

Yup. I was having PTSD viewing some of the images. I was paid a lot to remove his stuff. But clients with service contracts took it out on me.

@@MrKornnugget 📎-"I see you're making a comment, would you like help with that?"

@@CoreDreamStudios the point is that the book itself is effectively a scam on top of a scam. if you use the fact of your own personal success to write a book about how to succeed and you don't divulge that you scammed people, you can't expect people to not view his profiting from the book as a cruel joke. he made money by scamming people, so that should be included in the book, and not including it is dishonest at best.

😴

@@mchenrynick that's what you do when you write and sell books, no one gives things out for free.

Now he's making his money from the book itself!

He was 38. Not young.

@@JefOliveira90 While this lawsuit thingy has recently surfaced, this has been settled in Apr 10 2006 in that the company will refund affected consumers and pay $190,000 to resolve allegations that it misrepresented the extent to which its software is necessary for security, bombarded potential customers with pop-up ads and used deceptive billing practices. The defendants agreed to pay $400,000 in civil penalties, with $250,000 suspended on condition of compliance with all terms in the settlement. They must also refund consumers who have filed complaints and pay $40,000 in attorneys’ costs and fees.

"minimally affected a few people, it wasn't even a scam!
While saying this is not even a scam as this affected a few people is a stretch though. A scam is a scam regardless of amount.
"Consumers have the right to control their computers and not be subjected to alarmist deceptive advertising,” said Assistant Attorney General Katherine Tassi, lead attorney on the case.

“SoftwareOnline misrepresented the extent to which its InternetShield and Registry Cleaner products are necessary to prevent attacks from malicious Web sites and computers crashes. The company then sold consumers programs they claim will protect them from such hazards,” Tassi said. “SoftwareOnline also used billing practices intended to sell its products without a buyer’s explicit consent.”"

I think he and his company at the time came clean 18 years ago. He doesn't have to say or do anything if he doesn't want to. You guys are arguing about something that happened almost 2 decades ago and minimally affected a few people, it wasn't even a scam!

@@ayanned Nobody deserves a redemption arc. Especially not those who wish to deny anyone a chance at a redemption arc.

@@TimothyChapman once a scammer, always a scammer.
They don't deserve redemption arcs for me.
So he was a disgusting scammer huh.

​@@MarkHall-cf6ji yeah I specifically remember him saying that, and I can still give him credit for doing the right thing on the big stage; I'm also happy to forgive some long-ago stuff when (who knows) money was tight or we were just unwise 20 years younger; but what's begun to bother me is he can't criticise his own actions from 20 years ago. I get it, how shame and embarrassment make it hard, and can take a week or two to get over it. (Look at POTUS … it takes time to be the Bigger Man). But after another few weeks of this, it crosses a line.

What's even more disgusting is in the Windows Activation Key video, he went to great lengths to explain why he decided to put the evaluation date in the registry instead of hiding it somewhere, because he "didn't want to lie to the customers", god what a sociopath

it's soo messed up that he never addressed the lawsuit in any of his videos, even when he talked about the story of him starting his own company and why he closed it

@@superJK92 Actually he didn't write the task manager that you use in any modern version of windows.

Idk, I live much more relaxed after I stopped having expectations about creators of being model citizens or idols. Not their job. Especially if they are not pretending to be activists.

@@superJK92glazing

So*

Sk your saying you haven't had to use task manager a software he wrote

Yeah, me neither but when I think about it for a minute, I remember how immature I was … as an adult in my 20s. "Adult", sigh. I guess your 30s can also be a lot different to your 40s.

Yep. That ship sailed a long time ago. Nobody cared back then because the convenience was profitable. Maybe your generation and the generation that follows will be able to remedy that, and protest against terrible software, holding tech responsible, with its opacities and all.

@@Mario583a that's fine, but I think without publicly addressing them, they should expect people to continue to bring it up throughout their life. If they want to leave it in the past they should do something about it

@@Mario583a I would say it's in the public interest to discuss this

Some are highly embarrassed about what they have done in the past and would rather people not to open old wounds.

We don't need to forgive scammers.
I didn't know that he was a disgusting dishonest guy.

@@undefinedCat i had an autocorrect moment, ill fix it

Dave *Plummber*?

@@whirr_11 So when is a debt to society paid after going through the legal system? Its not like he is a chomo....

@@afreshreaction All for clicks...

​​​@@afreshreaction He literally put "(in 2006)". Don't you see it?

@@afreshreaction I feel like you like dick riding men who have more 0's in their bank account than you. Your probably an Elon Stan too.

@@ayanned check his pinned comment

​@@afreshreactionthis old news isn't irrelevant.
I'd rather know that he was a scammer and avoid this slimy know-it-all guy than keep seeing his better than thou videos in the net.

@@whohan779That has nothing to do with this. Just throwing that out there

​@@afreshreaction you lack media literacy and critical thinking if you really think that
dude literally put "(in 2006)" on the title, and mentioned that in the video multiple times that those events occurred around the 2000s

@@XtraKawaii +1 yep it was news to me, and I thought I'd known most of what there is to know

Most Indian Microsoft "Tech support" work "on Windows", but obviously not in the developing sense, but just as a means to scam people.
Furthermore calling Windows just an "operating system" nowadays would be a scam as it's basically a tool for data mining and selling you subscriptions.

There are tens of thousands of people who "work on windows", everyone has a tiny part of the process.

I worked at a bank for 12 years, never touched money or knew a darn thing about what the workers I supported were doing.

@@afreshreaction he never claimed it was new

@@afreshreaction Whilst it might be "old news" most of us haven't heard of it and even endermanch said he only recently found it out, and he doesn't even cover this sort of thing on the norm as this is my first time seeing this sort of thing from endermanch

:yawn: old news, at this point i feel like this guy just digs up old news claiming to be new lol

he did both

The real reason why the BSOD was colored blue was because everyone in Microsoft was using slickedit for their source code. If you take a look at the screenshots of some older versions of slickedit and go back to the bsod seen in windows NT 3.51 to 7, they often share almost the exact same color

@@fuseegelee many are click bait but a lot are really interesting.

@@mrowlsss The easiest color to display would be black & white

@@mrowlsssOut of 16 colors of the VGA palette, here is a chart of what background colors have the best legible white text:
Black: legible
Dark red: legible
Dark green: legible
Dark yellow: a bit less legible
Dark blue (like Windows used to have): legible
Dark magenta: legible
Dark cyan: legible
Light gray: hard to see
Dark gray: legible
Red: legible
Green: hard to see
Yellow: even harder to see
Blue: legible
Magenta: legible
Cyan: almost impossible to see
White: impossible to see
All of these colors should be as easily been able to display on a system even without basic drivers

I thought he said in that video that it was the easiest color to display?

@@Heisenberger_69 Yeah that sounds abt right

I think it was another dude who worked on Windows NT whose BIOS or whatever was colored blue and so he coded the STOP screen to be colored the same shade of blue for consistency

I’ve never downloaded such programs myself but I guess “driver updater” ones do that. Plenty of programs autostart themselves hidden in the taskbar, close button that doesn’t really close the app, slowing the PC down. I’d classify his software as “trashware” rather than a scam. Just like many trial antiviruses, cleaner utilities that were made in the 2000s.

Name another 'everyone'?

I don't even remember the last time I saw a community post.

​@@zbelios1623 illiterate people

Sometimes community posts aren't displayed

tbf who actually reads community posts

Yep. Chrome didn’t exist, Firefox was a relatively new thing and IE was still the browser for regular people. HTTPS wasn’t even widespead. That section just shows he’s not familiar with computers in the mid 2000s.

FREE KEVIN!

Many of us? I see.

@@markusTegelane it shows up on tablet, i just dont keep updated with enderman's posts

YouTube tablet version doesn't show community posts in subscription feed
Even if you are using phone or desktop version, it sometimes just doesn't show community posts for some reason

@@NotJacobX sorry that i dont keep an eye on community posts..

I switched to Linux because XP.

Nevar regretted, penquins FTW!

I think most of the software companies were doing this, especially antivirus. His "scamming" doesn't seem so bad when you were actually using a computer at that time.

Nowadays, yes.
But pre-2010 their OSes, Software, etc. was as clean as it could get.
OEMs liked to bloat, yes, but that isn't really MS's issue. ( To be fair - If I were MS at that time, I would have forbidden OEMs to do so - as it significantly harmed the Windows /Microsoft Brand)

Oh that why Steam IS a bloated pile of 💩

Finished the vid. Great work! This is very well made and through. I appreciate you remaking the video. I think it really helped organize everything. I also really liked you following the court docs (even though it had a lot of legal language lol). It really helped put into perspective the facts of the case vs his software. Thank you!

Hey! I dug down the Internet Archive. I updated the description, now you can download the malware pieces.

Me too. Everyone has done things they're not proud of (he & I are about the same age) -- but hiding it implies (to me) that he's still on the scam train.

What can he do aside from ignoring it?

@@Ne-vc5pm Dave's not here man.

@@Ne-vc5pm Can't forget Dave too.

Yeah!! Also invite Dave while at it. Maybe even invite Dave.

"Some people just want to watch the world burn..." (not that there's anything wrong with that)

It’s not surprising coming from a channel that promotes “windows = bad” vibes tbh. The issue was over and ended with multiple fines but probably guy just wants him bankrupt lol. Sometimes I watch him for something like bypassing windows 95 logon for fun, but other times he just tries too hard. Maybe the guy wants to be a pentester based on the past videos, well, kudos I guess.

underrated comment.

Except those companies actually deliver.

@@BrainStormzFTC Isn't that what AV is? PSP only detected things that were known and did absolutely nothing against the unknown...for like a few decades there. If software wasn't almost completely opaque to all users, this wouldn't be a problem.

@@BrainStormzFTC fair enough

I mean, he scammed people by delivering something they didn't need after scaring them into thinking they needed it to be safe. Just because the scam is common, doesn't mean it's not a scam.

@saikiranj807  most of the softwares were snake oil or somewhat helpful but just google for 10 mins for a list of blocked domains...

Emphases on this kind of programs. Why is this guy doing these kind of scams that only scammer run back then?

@@Mario583a Shut the f up godddaaaaamn
My autism and adhd didn't turn me into a scammer and an extortionist.
OH NOOOOO THIS JOB IS SO STRESSFUL I GOTTA COPE WITH IT BY EXTORTING OLD PEOPLE 😭😭😭😭
Go say that to an ATC controller, please!

Or maybe, just maybe, the challenges and pressures of working on such large-scale projects took s toll on him.

Not to mention keeping autism and ADHD in check while doing these is no bueno.

We can’t start making claims without evidence. Sure he might’ve done scams outside of Microsoft but there’s no evidence of him being fired. also how exactly would he be scamming in Microsoft?

I shut it down btw

@@heyjude1971 If his cases were dealt in court, and it was really long ago, and they guy doesn't need anything from his viewerd - then I couldn't care less. He's not actively scamming anyone AFAIK.
Again, it's good to have this info online for whatever comes in the future, but it feels irrelevant in the meanwhile.
Moreover, there's too much YT drama that's going on at the moment, maybe some folks enjoy this kind of sensory overload, but I'm just tired. I'm both studying and working and would like to wind down and look at interesting stuff, rather than sharpen my pitchfork and go after randoms.

I feel the opposite:
If a scammer stops scamming but does everything he can so people don't discover his previous scam - I can only surmise he's still scamming (or at least defending his prior scams).
I'd trust him A LOT more if he said, "I was young, I was selfish, and I was greedy... and I am sorry. I'm no longer that way & I paid the penalties for my crimes. Let me help you recognize the types of scams I used to perpetrate so you won't be taken in by them."

@@afreshreaction you're not funny.

incorrect info; just like this one LOL

Because.

@@SowTag ah okay

Oof nvm

Did he get striked?

@@SowTag just posted a pinned comment

Enderman corrected a few things he got wrong with the last one.

@@GilFavor101 (4 of 4)
In general, people should be making an explicit choice when they want to spend cycles executing something. That ship has already sailed, though.

@@GilFavor101 (3 of 4)
At the very least users should have some form of measurement by which they can compare software and restore the idea of competition bringing out the better and more stable solution... unlike AV/PSP or many others. Not giving value to anything other then convenience breaks the entire paradigm.

@@GilFavor101 (2 of 4)
If anything, though, it shouldn't be as opaque as it is...especially updates. Software providers shouldn't be holding people's hands and shielding their eyes while walking them through a tunnel of sh*t. People should be given all the information, and if they don't know what it means..we're in the information age, they should be able to look it up. Issues should be reportable and fixable through a means other than social media and societal pressure, even.

@@GilFavor101 (1 of 4)
Windows updates (and generally all updates) are legitimately needed for all platforms, though. Software is hard and can be fragile in all sorts of obv and non-obv ways. (don't know if I'd blame M$ for that other than the damage that they did to public education by pushing their brand and maintaining their monopoly)

​@@GilFavor101 Windows updates (and generally all updates) are legitimately needed for all platforms, though. Software is hard and can be fragile in all sorts of obv and non-obv ways. (Don't know if I'd blame M$ for that other than the damage that they did to public education by pushing their brand and maintaining their
monopoly)

If anything, though, it shouldn't be as opaque as it is...especially updates. Software providers shouldn't be holding people's hands and shielding their eyes while walking them through a tunnel of sh*t. People should be given all the information, and if they don't know what it means..we're in the information age, they should be able to look it up. Issues should be reportable and fixable through a means other than social media and societal pressure, even.

At the very least users should have some form of measurement by which they can compare software and restore the idea of competition bringing out the better and more stable solution... unlike AV/PSP or many others. Not giving value to anything other then convenience breaks the entire paradigm.

In general, people should be making an explicit choice when they want to spend cycles executing something. That ship has already sailed, though.

@@arizvisa * and Windows updates, lol, at least Windows 7; I went to linux after that. I reloaded and turned off all updates on Windows 7, and suddenly, my computer ran smooth as butter for years... Still went to linux though, screw Microsoft for doing shady stuff like that.

Pretty much all AV/PSP software....

I am sure you don't either.

I'm no crypto miner or anything, but NFTs and Crypto are not illegal. Also, crypto software is not the same as a program that pretends to do something it does not. Dave Plumer's past is a matter of public interest. End of story.

wowie ur the first

you’re first

Hey man, you beat me props to you

​​@@mandai2for sure from a modern/informed perspective this looks so much worse

And thanks for the tip about sorting by newest! I knew YT's comment filtering is insane and makes no sense but this whole time I thought missing comments were simply deleted

@@arizvisa Oh I was referring to the registry cleaner discussion. Same thing though I am not calling anyone malicious, I am just raising awareness of the issue.

@@mandai2 When you phrase your comment as "Youtube is ...<doing something>... in this discussion", you make it seem like it's an explicit action being taken by the service provider rather than an unintentional side effect of how SW has grown.

@@arizvisa I'm not calling them malicious, they are as you say overcomplicated garbage and the average PC user doesn't understand the risk

@@mandai2 Be careful chalking issues up to targeted maliciousness, rather than what is more likely...that the software is overcomplicated garbage with many layers of complexity and opacities. Blaming one without the recognizing the potential failures of the other very quickly leads to paranoid delusions.

Youtube is hiding our comments in this discussion, you might need to switch to Newest first to see them, it didn't even give me a notification.

@@titop.5228 But it's common knowledge that there is no benefit and only risk to using a registry cleaner, I have seen them mess up programs and corrupt operating systems, and the end user has to pay someone like me to fix their PC afterwards

@@mandai2 Don't get me wrong, it was junkware and a few far superior tools did exist, but I certainly wouldn't say its bugs and ill-conceived dark patterns put it on the same level as all the outright fakes and trojans going around at the time; certainly not a scam to be compared to modern crypto pump-n-dumps like the video concludes.

What do you mean above bar in 2006? I was ranting about how shitty RegCure was back then and I'll say the same today

what "features" it was just scareware to get you to pay up for nothing useful

Maybe in 2007. Get real. Keep sweeping for Plumer.

(also never been to a vid so early, no views and 40 seconds)

@@teamredstudio7012 i think that's 100% bullshit

@@teamredstudio7012 im curious about this because iirc there are some really bad autism charities.

@@teamredstudio7012that’s way different from personally controlling a charity

@@Endermanch I think he means the autism donation thing

What charity exactly?

I remember that joke from one of your videos long time I’ve been here

The software showcased on the video, is SCREAMING of "rogue AV".


No matter what you say, you cannot undispute this. The softwares had the generic set of generalized "issues" with your PC, (even if it's a clean install) that you see with many rogues, and attempt (some do this) to fix a very low number non-existent issues, only for you to pay the software to fix ALL the non-existent issues.

And, obviously uses the typical coercion tactic of giving you a sale, just for the user to not uninstall the software, and even if it does, it still leaves some residues, EVEN if the user wanted to remove all of it's components on the uninstall window. That's absolutely vile.

The only way for this is if dave would come clean, but, as always, once success and money get over your head, you start to ignore, and attempt to make sure people don't know about your shady past.


I'm beginning to suspect he really didn't the task manager for windows. Maybe he did, but im willing to bet it wasn't any important function or module.


You're lucky he didn't learned from some VERY malicious rogues, like Navashield, or windows accelerator pro, (part of the FakeVimes family of rogues) that completely overwrites the shell. Basically, it restarts your PC when you execute the rogue, and after a while, instead of being greeted by the login screen, you are greeted with the rogue starting. (you can't even start task manager here, which given dave's past is almost poetical, and even then, the program had this bug that could crash it, by simply changing languages rapidly)

@@vaccat i'm good!

watch 2 minutes into the video before you comment an essay

Keep sweeping for Dave.

@@someidiot4311 oh

Pinned comment, the old video had misinformation

@@Mario583a Shoutouts to Youtube for hiding my comment

@@Mario583a They use application config files, totally different from a registry

@@mandai2 Linux and Mac have a registry as well.
in a different form no less.

@@Toys0126 But the registry is only used on Windows OS

​@mandai2 slow hard drives mainly, especially for laptops with 5600RPM drives were so slow they had quick start options that ran some form of lower OS or different OS.
Recommend Cathode ray dude Quick Start series to learn more.

@@tcbobb1613 How so?

At least it kind of makes sense in the early days!

Telling the user they are in danger when they are not SL you can sell them a product they probably don't need but will buy because of fear, fear you gave them, fear unfounded in reality... That's a scam. Charging people more than they agrees to because you checked a box by default hoping they wouldn't notice is a scam. Just because these scam tactics were popular at the time (and arguably to this day) doesn't mean they aren't scam tactics.

@@user-ny7el1sp6h No, you’re not.

You're retarded if that's the conclusion you've come to

@@dc9662 I understand why you say this. The reason why I replied in that way is because I got scammed by somebody ( Non US ) and the 2 individuals whom could have provided critical evidence in my court case were Americans whom used the same excuses as the person I replied too and I lost my case in court. When you're guilty of scamming somebody and get away with it or a minor conviction, that person will scam again other innocent victims. Those 2 individuals knew what happened and could have testified. I don't generalize, the moral compass is just different for some due to a different society. One of them declared himself as suffering from autism. As soon as he realized that his testimony would have a negative impact on his relationship with the scammer, he refused to testify. He showed compassion to my situation until I asked him to speak out and help me.
Call me what you want, my comment was not ignorant. But hey, everybody is free to have his/her own opinion.

@@dc9662 As a European I just want an unbiased view of his past 👍

@@NoiseEverywhere As a European, I think you should just leave that out of your ignorant comments. You're making us all look bad.

Don't provide excuses for him. To me as a European this is a typical American point of view you provide. He is not trustworthy and all his present actions should be viewed with his 'past' attitude towards innocent individuals whom he scammed out a lot of money.

Read the pinned comment.

@@ShawnWrona :)

@@Windows2000Professional.s ragebaiting? Never heard that term yet, but sounds like that’s what the poster wants to do

Nvm. You appear to be ragebaiting.

"We are all heroes in our own story" ~~ Unknown

As someone on the spectrum, I completely agree with you. You need to "learn" to be empathetic to people, to understand how they feel. It's not a "given" to us, like it is to most other people. It's not like we lack empathy, it's just that we feel and understand it very differently.
In case of Dave, it's like "almost nobody has ever complained, so why all this hate ?". The software wasn't malware and actually worked as described (even if it's usefulness was questionable at best). It's just that all the aggressive attempts to coerce people into paying overshadowed any useful value the software had (if any).

But what's true is that the software industry in 00's was filled with such junkwares and he's not the only person who made millions from them.

@@harisalic2568 I don't think SoftwareOnline LLC even had a NDA.

It could also be that He isnt alowed to talk in depth about most stuff he did because he signed an NDA

@@HiImKyle this was posted before that comment

Read the pinned comment.

Why?

@@DMaslo33 да

Endercuck

> Thats because this content creator is another type of scum. The kind that finds dirt on people that have moved on which have become famous to monetize on their fame.

enderman has literally never done this before. this is.. the first time..

underrated comment.

yes, pinned comment 2mins ago

Yeh with some fix

@@maxlel4080 what i really mean is that i commented on the last video whenever it was gonna premiere and no one else commented so yea

@@amenbutcool you see things only the YouTube client wants you to see.

@@Sophron. already watched 'em all

There's plenty of videos

because some minor inaccuracies make no difference in Dave plummer authoring these applications? softwareonline? he is still responsible for this. it's dishonest.

Does he feel bad for himself? This is the question you should ask yourself before feeling bad for him. If you don’t have a clear answer to that question, then how you feel about it is up to you.

I feel bad for the millions of customers that were scammed into buying software that did nothing of value for many millions of dollars. I do not feel bad for Dave Plummer, the man that orchestrated the scam and profited handsomely from unethical, dishonest practices.

Oh no way David Mounder!!

Really sorry about the news... I'm sure he's a changed man now

Don't feel bad for a millionaire. Maybe he's truly a decent guy looking to help other autistic people, or maybe he's just looking to top up the bank account. I'm trying not to hate the player and keep an open mind. I haven't bought his book or anything tho.

Why

It is interesting how scammers are empathetic for other scammers.

yea i don't think you watched the video

Yea, like now take advantage of his autism to get views?

@@𰻝 it isn't legal that's why it was taken down

@@zeenxdownz But he's wrong. If it's legal then it's not a scam. Thus this is a defamatory video.

@@peter0x444 dam bro got ratioed so hard, 12 likes to 3 likes

@@sdc319 Yet we don't pitchfork YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, why? Because he's autistic?

You realize something can be legal and a scam. It's not something mutually exclusive.

Now? Probably no one. Dave in 2006 used all the best tricks of a scammer: dark patterns, buttons that don't behave normally, and negative affirmation on upsells/attachments.

he fixed some mistakes

@@JohnTimeYT it's not

@@deltara2106 Dave got his and he could care less.

​@@LeonDerczynski Not publicly making a statement on the matter as well as blocking people making statements, does not really show good etiquette. All he really needed to do was make a simple statement explaining what happened, apologize, and move on. The longer he doesn't make a statement, the worse he'll look. However, I do agree dragging down people over old mistakes is never okay, unless the person hasn't changed.

@@LeonDerczynski dave's fan boy detected

@@deltara2106 it wasn't ignored. There was a case, it ran, the audit was then clean. Done & done. He's obviously not proud, but it's not a good use of resources to drag people down over ancient things.

Yes, people change and are allowed to change. However, this isn't something that can be ignored or downplayed.

@@Endermanch 100% agree. Him not addressing the past and actively avoiding it means he believes it will harm him to be truthful. it won't just say that you did it and how you improved yourself after.

Guess I'm gonna scam a bunch of old ladies and be a changed man after I get caught and lie about it... Power move

21st, not 1st, but "close enough"

@@NoNameBAM Ok

@@yastepan no. misinfo got corrected

Enderman remade it to fix up some mistakes

No

You're literally 13th btw

@@Xnoob545 aw man:(

@@Valid___ yu huh

Ur 3rd

nuh uh

You're 6th

You are 5th

You could use that argument for almost anything. Is it okay to dilute baby formula with melamine because we can blame public education? If parents cared more they can buy the name brands. And no, this is a despicable argument I bitterly disagree with, but comparable to yours. We are all stupid about something; luckily courts exist in part to protect the ignorant.

@@MatthewCobalt Malware is such a vague term.. even moreso if code is naturally opaque because of its complexity. What's the difference between game DRMs and malware, or the difference between buggy code and vulnerable code? Screenshots taken by a program that you're aware of, or screenshots taken by the actual corporate owner of the device? What about uninstallers that mistakenly delete the wrong things, or installers that include components that weaken the platform unintentionally to attacks? Are accidents, that have the same effect as malware, considered non-malicious? I believe the answer to all of these (and more) is developer intent, which can be variable depending on context and ownership (another problem, entirely). Hence code is code.. information, like speech, can be put into context or taken out of context. Perhaps, you can put identification of intent to a vote, based on society's perceptions of some logic (using it to ostracize said dever), but that requires universal awareness, and is likely unenforceable as a result. Plus, distinguishing code that does less than it promises, or more than it claims is likely not even possible without paying a cost that is more expensive than the cost of creating it, and there's no guarantees that said research would even be successful.

@@arizvisa um, given how software was distributed at the time (2006), thid would be like buying a game and having it infect you with malware.

But hey, code is code, right?

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@@Axellse no, enderman said on Twitter that he took it down himself
Edit: damn autocorrect!