I took down original video because it was poorly researched and contained some misinformation about Dave. Callouts are okay, while slander isn't. I did all the research in this video and restructured it. Hopefully you guys understand, this is my first investigation of that sort.

UPD2: Dave threatened a defamation case against me! Yay!
https://x.com/endermanch/status/1820726634485350727

UPD: Another thing just surfaced (Dave owned SammSoft, another scammish company and embellished/faked a story on the Xeriton website)
https://x.com/miklos_akos/status/1817329524054335641

@@Endermanch i understand dont worry goat

okay 👍🏻 <br>I thought I’d seen the same notification lol

okay 👍🏻
I thought I’d seen the same notification lol

@@Endermanch always support someone who can admit their mistakes and try to make it right 💜

at least you admitted that you were wrong

What was specifically wrong in the original video?  just so people who have already seen it don't go repeating something inaccurate by clearly knowing what was wrong.

lmao i had just watched the old one<br>chapter 2 here i go

lmao i had just watched the old one
chapter 2 here i go

Thank you.  I hope Plummer at least appreciates what you did here.

this is honestly a really big improvement over the previous version, too!! far more informative and goes into a lot more detail about what happened without meandering too much. really good work <3

This has increased my respect for this channel, great accountability on yourself here Enderman!

Can you reupload it a third time with professional commentary and no zoomer lingo such as "villain arc" in order to be taken more seriously?

@Endermanch, did you "HEART" your own pinned comment?  hrmm

How about you end everything?@@user-ny7el1sp6h

видео стало лучше, кстати. но стало намного короче

@@user-ny7el1sp6hI’m not sure if it’s worth the trouble

@@whophd A-HA!!! JUST WHEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS NEVER GONNA BE A COMMENT WHICH SAID "bro liked his own comment"!!! you silly commentator.

I'm not saying the changes are bad but changing the video after the fact definetley makes it less trustworthy. Maybe make the old video available somehow?

@@Zaro2008 I think you missed the link in the description

Any chance of a change list. Watched the entire thing first time around. having to watch the entire thing again to find out what you screwed up seems weird. If your going to make accusations and then recall some of them. Do the legit thing and at least include what you screwed up on dont leave it for the viewer to work out.

@@fusspawn hey, I added the timecodes and corrections for my misstatements in the description of the old video. You can check that out. Everything else I stand behind.

@@Endermanch I read the chat logs, and Dave is just doing a bunch of dancing around the questions.

I think his reaction is very unfortunate, thank you for doing better and emerging in better light than Dave overall.

I'mma state this like this but, I can tell he got in a autistic tantrum because of the investigation of yours. I already anticipated that something like this was going to happen. I don't know about law but I surely hope you'll be just fine.

Tho Dave needs to understand, sucks to be associated with such gross tactics, but you can't delete your past, he accepted and directed the production of these softwares and he can't deny it was bad. It's not necessary to have legal fight with another youtuber now. So I think Dave needs to calm down.


if he actually admitted to his mistakes instead of explicitly hiding the true nature of his scam, maybe i would've seen him in a different light, as a man who just made a mistake and regrets it. but to not respond to the backlash and even deliberately hiding this stuff from the public really rubs me the wrong way. that's very unfortunate as i thought he was a charming guy, passionate of his work, but now i see him as a very dishonest person.

yeah, it's so easy to just say "I made some mistakes cause I was young and stupid, etc. etc."

@@MarkHall-cf6ji mmm I'm even more generous than that — it's NOT easy, probably, all that shame.  But you get a temporary pass while your red face subsides.  Analogy:  Even POTUS, whose judgement I quite admire, took months to admit a vital truth, and when it was obvious to the world, STILL took weeks.  I'll make it the textbook case of walking back from the cliff of shame.  Let's see if Dave can turn it around in a few weeks.

@@whophd Dave made millions scamming people and only had to pay 400k on fines, now he's selling a book on overcoming autism as a millionaire, dude's a scumbag, I don't think shame is the reason he's keeping quiet about it, it's just business

"admitted to his mistakes instead of explicitly hiding the true nature of his"
Ow! Jeez! What was that for?
Rafiki 	It doesn't matter! It's in the past. laughs
Rafiki: Oh, yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it, you can either run from it or learn from it.

"admitted to his mistakes instead of explicitly hiding the true nature of his"
Ow! Jeez! What was that for?
Rafiki 	It doesn't matter! It's in the past. *laughs*
Rafiki: Oh, yes, the past can hurt. But the way I see it, you can either run from it or learn from it.

Point to the part where it hurts the most, is it your butt hurting? Shit happened 15+ years ago, perhaps you can search up the people you enjoy and read about them and just move on with your life...... Or I guess you can just cry about it too....

@BaldrsFate  It's not about when he did it, it's what he did and why he's not talking about it. He's selling a book called "Secrets of the Autistic Millionaire"  and it turns out his secret was making millions of dollars scamming people. Lol

I also have to consider that he is autistic.  Autistic people tend not to have the same personal interaction that most people do.  I'm not sure we can put our interpersonal skills on him.  And remember at the time this kind of thing was much more common.  Even software like CC Cleaner got in trouble for that kind of thing.  And Washington state does a much better job of enforcing consumers perfection than most states do.  If he had done this in Texas that company would still be selling that junkware.  I can't find it in myself to care much about something that happened 20 years ago.  Let's make this bet.  I will bet that 20 years from now companies like Google will outrage us just as much over data privacy issues.

Admitting being a terrible person and scammer doesn’t make it ok. Unbelievable

@rationalbushcraft  I'm definitely in the spectrum but I wouldn't scam people unless I'm absolutely desperate for money. Dave was Microsoft engineer, his future was practically secured. He didn't need to sell scamware. He had no excuse, he's just a greedy lying scumbag.

@rationalbushcraft  Not to mention he worked on the Windows kernel. He was practically one of the best programmers in the world, and he amassed wealth by selling those crappy programs? I don't know whether to laugh or be depressed.

Everyone is responsible of their own reputation and this is not abusive attack from enderman. So Dave is just hurting himself at this point.

@@TheIndigoShine He's still pretending he did nothing wrong, like Bill Gates pretending the whole Epstein fiasco never happened.


Like I said in the first video, he's probably made millions and doesn't give a crap. He comes across as a genuine, highly intelligent guy, but nothing surprises me anymore. Most rich people seem to have the "F you, I got mine" attitude

When I was a kid, I thought "money is the root of all evil" was clever but oversimplified, or just an easy way to teach kids.  But the older I get, the more it seems just a wiser and wiser truth.  "Landlord brain" is another variant.  There's probably other roots of evil, like lead … lead in the environment tracks VERY closely with all kinds of bad behaviour.

Look, everyone has a bit of a dark/scammy side, it's human nature.   I'm glad you brought this to light, it is what it is.

first line of succefful evil people or dicdators says newer accepts your wrong doings :D even if its clearly visible to the eyes of anyone :D

so even if its good ... in general if you are planning to step up some levels... :D i dont know where he is planning to go anyway... but that may be the reason about not talking about it :D

as a right-libertarian can i just point out that the free market system that allows people to write and sell closed source software full of ads and spyware to computer illiterate morons who don't know how to use the open source software that does the same thing, is exactly the system that caused the invention of computers, the curing of many diseases and increased access to food for millions of people worldwide especially compared to 100 or 200 years ago


You changed my mind on him. <br>Dave seems like a nice guy and I think he should at least make a public statement on this whole thing. Especially now that more people know about it.

You changed my mind on him.
Dave seems like a nice guy and I think he should at least make a public statement on this whole thing. Especially now that more people know about it.

He may not believe he ever did anything wrong.

@@AeduoI'm sure he's made millions and doesn't give a sht. Apparently he has multiple patents too (possibly unrelated to these programs??)

@@grabasandwich yeah that would make sense.  Which would mean there'd be nothing for him to say publicly.  There would be no misunderstanding of him for him to correct people on, unless he'll just be lying or trying to appeal to people who believe in similar values as he does.

same here, not everyone who does bad is inherently a bad person. still a crappy thing he did, but I just want him to respond. I can understand why he doesn't want to talk about it, but he should still

he got my attention with a nice tour of IBM Mainframes... but that's about it...

@@Aeduo Right but enough people are wondering with enough reasons.  In Dave's words, "what you hope to achieve" is nothing to do with the some sort of damage.  It's about criticising yourself.  If most people would criticise somebody else doing this stuff, then we'd like to hear what the same person says 20 years later.

@@Aeduo (YT comments are confusing) I was replying to your first comment "he may not believe he ever did anything wrong", and I hope you're wrong but could totally believe you're right.

@@Aeduo or he may just simplely don't want to talk about it at all because he wants to forget about it and/or he regrets his decisions. So he chooses to avoid or ignore questions about it (which is not the best choice as i learnt from experience). Instead he should at least try to respond to people by admitting the wrong doing and then saying that he doesn't want to talk about it and prefers to move on, if he really doesn't want to talk about it. Because not communcating or answering people only leads to more problems.

Edit: This is only a blind guess, I don't know for sure. However I do agree that he should say something about it.

@@Joshwoakes my understanding is he's still unapologetic about it for example in his book and in some posts.  Unless that was the inaccuracies with the original version.


funny how he immediately assumed you're doing this for money

especially when he literally can't make money on that

@@hikkamorii yeah not only does it make no sense, it also reflects badly on a different kind of mental condition (not autism)

"autism is not an excuse to bully people"

.. because he was right? Unless Enderman deliberately demonetizes this video (which he likely won't), he's profiting off throwing dirt at a moderately-well known person.

@@WooShell monetization is disabled in Russia because of sanctions, so it's very unlikely he makes any money

@@WooShell enderman can't earn money on YouTube due to recent events in eastern Europe.

@@WooShell OK wait.  I thought Plummer was criticising him for wanting to destroy his rep, his channel and the followers he'd accrued.  Like an ego punch.  (Explicable but not healthy after a while).  If Enderman makes money that's … not really a lot, for the hours of work that goes in … but the alternative is Google collects it and keeps it.  We're talking a renewable resource here.

@@WooShell Russian channels can't get money from Youtube ads

@@hikkamoriiEnderman's location in channel description in Australia. He probably moved away his country.

@@SSRSZ, I'm mostly sure enderman still resides in Kaluga (a large city in Russia), he didn't change his channel location for years btw.

Why is it that the video is monetized then. The channel info says it's based in Australia. Is Enderman scamming YouTube?

@@nathanpeterson9386 the channel's location has been set to Australia for a long time now, even before sanctions. And even if he set it to get monetized, it would still be impossible since all YouTube doesn't support any Russian payment systems


today we have a similar thing with almost every VPN ad, they mostly "misrepesent the extent to which software is necessary for security and privacy reasons"

Yeah, and the number of half-truths they spew is pretty low, “ohh military grade encryption” Well technically, but everyone can get that, so is it really military grade?

I'm pretty sure ALL encryption in use deliberately by users (ssh etc) is military-grade. Military-grade is kinda meaningless.

I prefer "battle-tested" as an adjective, it can be read as "it's strong and has been used for years", while still using war-like language lol

@@RealTagComputing Our joke when I worked for the DoD was that "Military Grade" = "Lowest Bidder".

@@RealTagComputing Heh, that and "aircraft grade aluminum." There are tons of alloys of aluminum, they aren't grades they all just have slightly different properties that are useful in different applications for different reasons.


The curious thing is that Dave currently doesn't seem to need more money. He's not selling ads on his YouTube channel, and he doesn't do sponsorships. He does occasionally try to sell his book, but I doubt that is a significant source of income.  His YouTube channel seems to be more about his ego, which is understandable.

I'd go further and say he's discovered that it's nice to be the good guy.  By actually doing good guy things.  Yep OK you get to keep that, but you also have to call Old You the a--hole, criticise your old self.

Strangest thing in life and politics, is even today, how RARE it is to get a blog / video / podcast with someone saying "I changed my mind, because X".  With actual track record of years in one direction, then years in another.

And I'm excluding people like JD and Liz Truss who sell to the highest bidder but never talk about why their wisdom levelled up.  Because it didn't.

@@whophdWe can’t know that without him telling us directly unfortunately

Working at Microsoft for two decades has surely given him enough salary and stock options to not need any extra income even in retirement. He doesn't seem to be the type of guy to be into villas and yachts.

I’d say that the first time I discovered his channel was through an advertisement that was promoted on my front feed, I believe during 2021. It seems that it was merely just to get the channel out there since I haven’t seen any since, perhaps he’s just doing it for the passion and has his own income separate from the channel?

@@joechristo2 100%, the silence needs to break

@@WooShell I think your guess is right, and thankfully even the craziest PCs are "affordable" by "most" (for various definitions of both).  For my money it's almost entirely a classic case of embarrassment.  It's just making things worse because he's got a good thing going and nobody (from any perspective) wants his new hobby to end.

@@whophd What's your explanation for his dubious business ventures, if not avarice? He certainly isn't poor and doesn't live frugally.

@@joechristo2 After or before this lawsuit was settled, he probably had a moment of clarity. And I say, "Dave Plummer, you are Bad Guy, but this does not mean you are 'bad' guy."


if he even just laughed it off as him being desperate for cash post-microsoft or something i don't think anyone would deeply hold it against him but the fact he's avoiding the question entirely is definitely stinky

yep if this doesn't change direction, it'll be a textbook case of poor crisis management

The way Dave responds, or lack thereof, will dictate whether I continue to subscribe to his channel. I hope many more of his subscribers take a similar approach. The only reason I am not unsubscribing immediately is so I will know if he addresses it, but so far it does not look good.

I’m afraid I can’t be so charitable. His software was an obvious scam and the way it perverted the windows OS to hamper people uninstalling it and bombard them with popups is really lame and almost childish. The fact he was making millions every year from this means he certainly wasn’t desperate for cash. He was milking the damned thing for all it was worth! <br>I don’t give a crap what he says in response, or if he chooses to ignore this. I’m unsubscribing AND blocking his channel right now.

I’m afraid I can’t be so charitable. His software was an obvious scam and the way it perverted the windows OS to hamper people uninstalling it and bombard them with popups is really lame and almost childish. The fact he was making millions every year from this means he certainly wasn’t desperate for cash. He was milking the damned thing for all it was worth!
I don’t give a crap what he says in response, or if he chooses to ignore this. I’m unsubscribing AND blocking his channel right now.

Yeah, that's kinda my feel on it too. Easy money, everyone was doing it, etc, etc. But just own it, say you were young foolish and stupid and feel bad about it, then we can all move on. I recently watched Chris Boden's video about going to prison, and the thing that impressed me about the video is that he owned it. For all I know he left a ton of stuff out, maybe he was totally selling drugs and has a crypto wallet that the feds never found with millions of dollars of BTC in it, but he at least came across as willing to be open own up to making mistakes. And that makes me a whole lot less suspicions, and a whole lot more willing to trust him. And here's the thing, I don't expect him to start his YouTube career with a video about this, the fact that he has never brought it up before is fine. There's no reason to bring up shit from your own past when nobody asked. But now someone has asked, and the appropriate way to handle that is to just own up to it.


man, i dont think ive ever seen a title change live when im watching the video, probally was a good catch to add that though

It's going to be a hot topic! I don't want to make people think it's recent... He might be a changed man now


You should teach him about the Streisand effect. Attempting to hide information just makes more people aware of it.


This guy made every piece of horrible software I would have uninstall from friends and family's computers. I am surprised he didn't make Bonzi buddy.

@@MrKornnugget 📎-"I see you're making a comment, would you like help with that?"

Yup. I was having PTSD viewing some of the images. I was paid a lot to remove his stuff. But clients with service contracts took it out on me.

well task manager is a  good software tough ... still making a good thing doesnt make anything you made evil a good or acceptable thing :D

for example windows patent protektion code chain which is mostlikely %60 + of the times the reason of blue screens around the world and doesnt correctly check if licence is walid and sometimes can kill corporate or valid users systems too. which is why i newer bought and newer tought of buying a windows licence... because it can act as you are pirating .. ie sometimes it blocks lots of features of system on oem windowses... for example todays most home edition limited windowses which comes as oem on new devices blocks serial port access for whatewer reasons on most of devices :D they dont even tell you.. which some kind of scam..

@@ahmetmutlu348 Serial ports still have a bunch of industrial applications to interface with old equipment which would be expensive to replace. There isn't really any call for serial based devices in the home anymore, so they decided they could make extra $$$ by disabling people's bought and paid for hardware so that if they happen to need it control some old industrial equipment, they have to buy the PRO version. This is pretty typical behaviour of techgiants, Linux is always available for you to try and escape if you can!


It’s always the same: the guy from the self help book never reveals the true secret of it’s success

Now he's making his money from the book itself!

@@mchenrynick that's what you do when you write and sell books, no one gives things out for free.

@@CoreDreamStudios  the point is that the book itself is effectively a scam on top of a scam. if you use the fact of your own personal success to write a book about how to succeed and you don't divulge that you scammed people, you can't expect people to not view his profiting from the book as a cruel joke. he made money by scamming people, so that should be included in the book, and not including it is dishonest at best.


This version is a bit better then the older version, you where calmer. And you explained it better, the topics where sorted better. Good job!


If a scammer stops scamming but does everything he can so people don't discover his previous scam - I can only surmise he's still scamming (or at least defending his prior scams).
<br>I'd trust him A LOT more if he said, "I was young, I was selfish, and I was greedy... and I am sorry. I'm no longer that way & I paid the penalties for my crimes. Let me help you recognize the types of scams I used to perpetrate so you won't be taken in by them."

If a scammer stops scamming but does everything he can so people don't discover his previous scam - I can only surmise he's still scamming (or at least defending his prior scams).
I'd trust him A LOT more if he said, "I was young, I was selfish, and I was greedy... and I am sorry. I'm no longer that way & I paid the penalties for my crimes. Let me help you recognize the types of scams I used to perpetrate so you won't be taken in by them."


good thing that your honest about the reupload


The longer he waits to come clean on this, the fewer people will trust him when he finally does come clean.

it's soo messed up that he never addressed the lawsuit in any of his videos, even when he talked about the story of him starting his own company and why he closed it

What's even more disgusting is in the Windows Activation Key video, he went to great lengths to explain why he decided to put the evaluation date in the registry instead of hiding it somewhere, because he "didn't want to lie to the customers", god what a sociopath

@@MarkHall-cf6ji yeah I specifically remember him saying that, and I can still give him credit for doing the right thing on the big stage;  I'm also happy to forgive some long-ago stuff when (who knows) money was tight or we were just unwise 20 years younger;  but what's begun to bother me is he can't criticise his own actions from 20 years ago.  I get it, how shame and embarrassment make it hard, and can take a week or two to get over it.  (Look at POTUS … it takes time to be the Bigger Man).  But after another few weeks of this, it crosses a line.

@@TimothyChapman once a scammer, always a scammer.
They don't deserve redemption arcs for me.
So he was a disgusting scammer huh.

@@ayanned Nobody <b>deserves</b> a redemption arc.  Especially not those who wish to deny anyone a chance at a redemption arc.

@@ayanned Nobody *deserves* a redemption arc.  Especially not those who wish to deny anyone a chance at a redemption arc.

I think he and his company at the time came clean 18 years ago. He doesn't have to say or do anything if he doesn't want to. You guys are arguing about something that happened almost 2 decades ago and minimally affected a few people, it wasn't even a scam!

@@JefOliveira90 While this lawsuit thingy has recently surfaced, this has been settled in Apr 10 2006 in that the company will refund affected consumers and pay $190,000 to resolve allegations that it misrepresented the extent to which its software is necessary for security, bombarded potential customers with pop-up ads and used deceptive billing practices.  The defendants agreed to pay $400,000 in civil penalties, with $250,000 suspended on condition of compliance with all terms in the settlement. They must also refund consumers who have filed complaints and pay $40,000 in attorneys’ costs and fees.

"minimally affected a few people, it wasn't even a scam!
While saying this is not even a scam as this affected a few people is a stretch though.  A scam is a scam regardless of amount.
"Consumers have the right to control their computers and not be subjected to alarmist deceptive advertising,” said Assistant Attorney General Katherine Tassi, lead attorney on the case.

“SoftwareOnline misrepresented the extent to which its InternetShield and Registry Cleaner products are necessary to prevent attacks from malicious Web sites and computers crashes. The company then sold consumers programs they claim will protect them from such hazards,” Tassi said. “SoftwareOnline also used billing practices intended to sell its products without a buyer’s explicit consent.”"


I made sure that I'm unsubscribed to him. The minimum he could've done was admit that he knew he was creating extremely shady software mechanics that did absolutely nothing to help the consumer's computer.

Sk your saying you haven't had to use task manager a software he wrote

Idk, I live much more relaxed after I stopped having expectations about creators of being model citizens or idols. Not their job. Especially if they are not pretending to be activists.

@@superJK92 Actually he didn't write the task manager that you use in any modern version of windows.


i was not expecting this to come from the guy who made task manager

Yeah, me neither but when I think about it for a minute, I remember how immature I was … as an adult in my 20s.  "Adult", sigh.  I guess your 30s can also be a lot different to your 40s.


Can I just point out, as an aside to the main point of this video, how much more of this type of litigation we need against tech companies nowadays? There are so many dark patterns in modern software, especially in software made by big tech, though by no means limited to it, and yet you never here of cases like this in 2024 against them. I'm sure they still happen to some extent, but I wish they were more on the radar.

Yep. That ship sailed a long time ago. Nobody cared back then because the convenience was profitable. Maybe your generation and the generation that follows will be able to remedy that, and protest against terrible software, holding tech responsible, with its opacities and all.


People make mistakes in their past they want to move on from, but i think publicly addressing them, especially when they have many victims, is an important step

Some are highly embarrassed about what they have done in the past and would rather people not to open old wounds.

@@Mario583a I would say it's in the public interest to discuss this

@@Mario583a that's fine, but I think without publicly addressing them, they should expect people to continue to bring it up throughout their life. If they want to leave it in the past they should do something about it


The way I see It, he's not a man, just a coward which is scared to admit he isn't actually the victim, but the scammer.
I'm very disappointed on how Dave handled the situation, I mean how hard Is It to just say "Yup, I was a bad person, I messed up."
This shows he has no remorse for what he did.

We don't need to forgive scammers.<br>I didn't know that he was a disgusting dishonest guy.

We don't need to forgive scammers.
I didn't know that he was a disgusting dishonest guy.


Just saying, I was the one that called Dave Plumber the third Mario brother during the premiere.

@@undefinedCat i had an autocorrect moment, ill fix it


I think you misunderstand Dave's audience, they don't care about this and are there for some early Windows nostalgia. Do a hit piece on Kill Gates and you get my full backing, there's plenty of subject matter there.


damn, I thought this guy was the guy who worked on windows, not a scammer

:yawn: old news, at this point i feel like this guy just digs up old news claiming to be new lol

@@afreshreaction Whilst it might be "old news" most of us haven't heard of it and even endermanch said he only recently found it out, and he doesn't even cover this sort of thing on the norm as this is my first time seeing this sort of thing from endermanch

@@afreshreaction he never claimed it was new

There are tens of thousands of people who "work on windows", everyone has a tiny part of the process.

I worked at a bank for 12 years, never touched money or knew a darn thing about what the workers I supported were doing.

Most Indian Microsoft "Tech support" work "on Windows", but obviously not in the developing sense, but just as a means to scam people.<br>Furthermore calling Windows just an "operating system" nowadays would be a scam as it's basically a tool for data mining and selling you subscriptions.

Most Indian Microsoft "Tech support" work "on Windows", but obviously not in the developing sense, but just as a means to scam people.
Furthermore calling Windows just an "operating system" nowadays would be a scam as it's basically a tool for data mining and selling you subscriptions.

@@XtraKawaii +1 yep it was news to me, and I thought I'd known most of what there is to know

@@afreshreaction you lack media literacy and critical thinking if you really think that <br>dude literally put "(in 2006)" on the title, and mentioned that in the video multiple times that those events occurred around the 2000s

@@afreshreaction you lack media literacy and critical thinking if you really think that
dude literally put "(in 2006)" on the title, and mentioned that in the video multiple times that those events occurred around the 2000s

@@whohan779That has nothing to do with this. Just throwing that out there

@@afreshreactionthis old news isn't irrelevant.<br>I'd rather know that he was a scammer and avoid this slimy know-it-all guy than keep seeing his better than thou videos in the net.

@@afreshreactionthis old news isn't irrelevant.
I'd rather know that he was a scammer and avoid this slimy know-it-all guy than keep seeing his better than thou videos in the net.

@@afreshreaction I feel like you like dick riding men who have more 0's in their bank account than you. Your probably an Elon Stan too.

@@afreshreaction He literally put "(in 2006)". Don't you see it?

@@whirr_11 So when is a debt to society paid after going through the legal system? Its not like he is a chomo....


His videos also seem to be clickbaity, I clicked on his “Why is the BSOD blue?” Video and 90-95% (idk im not smart) of the video was “Oh the BSOD happens with the kernel” or something like that. The answer? “I dont actually know. I think it was random.” At least something like that, I haven’t seen that video in a while

I think it was another dude who worked on Windows NT whose BIOS or whatever was colored blue and so he coded the STOP screen to be colored the same shade of blue for consistency

@@Heisenberger_69 Yeah that sounds abt right

I thought he said in that video that it was the easiest color to display?

@@mrowlsssOut of 16 colors of the VGA palette, here is a chart of what background colors have the best legible white text:
Black: legible
Dark red: legible
Dark green: legible
Dark yellow: a bit less legible
Dark blue (like Windows used to have): legible
Dark magenta: legible
Dark cyan: legible
Light gray: hard to see
Dark gray: legible
Red: legible
Green: hard to see
Yellow: even harder to see
Blue: legible
Magenta: legible
Cyan: almost impossible to see
White: impossible to see
All of these colors should be as easily been able to display on a system even without basic drivers

@@mrowlsss The easiest color to display would be black & white

@@fuseegelee many are click bait but a lot are really interesting.

The real reason why the BSOD was colored blue was because everyone in Microsoft was using slickedit for their source code. If you take a look at the screenshots of some older versions of slickedit and go back to the bsod seen in windows NT 3.51 to 7, they often share almost the exact same color


at least he wasn't chatting up minors like how most youtubers go down


Honestly saying this kind of "software" is quite common in the early day of the Internet


Agree this is shady when measured against current standards, but taken in the context of the software industry from 18 years ago everyone was doing this. Scareware marketting to push PUPs was Sop for a big slab of the software industry. Im not defending Dave but that was the way it was back then.

I’ve never downloaded such programs myself but I guess “driver updater” ones do that. Plenty of programs autostart themselves hidden in the taskbar, close button that doesn’t really close the app, slowing the PC down. I’d classify his software as “trashware” rather than a scam. Just like many trial antiviruses, cleaner utilities that were made in the 2000s.


"why the reupload"<br>Do you even read community posts bro

"why the reupload"
Do you even read community posts bro

Sometimes community posts aren't displayed

I don't even remember the last time I saw a community post.


I've seen that guy... I don't have a problem with him... but I also don't take him seriously...


17:38 I would completely delete this section. 2006 and earlier was peak IE monopoly with >90% of users using IE. It's unnecessary pile on and poorly researched

Yep. Chrome didn’t exist, Firefox was a relatively new thing and IE was still the browser for regular people. HTTPS wasn’t even widespead. That section just shows he’s not familiar with computers in the mid 2000s.


While i like dave i do think he needs to come clean on this, i think some of us have made mistakes in the past and many of us are money/fame/ego driven which makes for same bad ethical decisions. we have seen this in the past with people that did bad/shady things then used some of their skills for good. Kevin Mitnick, Marcus Hutchins to name a few. I remember in the early 00s working with a malware/software writer that made some cool tools and was a nice dude but got caught hacking a VOIP system and stealing minutes that could be resold (or something to that matter)

Basically this will now be up to dave, will he come clean, tell us his side, or will he stay silent or try and silent Enderman, his next move will show us what kind a person he is.


whoever says "why reupload" didnt read the community posts

@@NotJacobX sorry that i dont keep an eye on community posts..

YouTube tablet version doesn't show community posts in subscription feed<br>Even if you are using phone or desktop version, it sometimes just doesn't show community posts for some reason

YouTube tablet version doesn't show community posts in subscription feed
Even if you are using phone or desktop version, it sometimes just doesn't show community posts for some reason

@@markusTegelane it shows up on tablet, i just dont keep updated with enderman's posts


Unfortuantly 😢 I have heard and played with all these programs during the XP error ... what you are pointing out is correct as far as the operational side goes ALL the software was buggy and had annoying "ads" baked in to the close / "X" buttons - he may be a good source of windows info nowdays but this story needs to be talked about (and not in a heavily bullet pointed video aka his typical video style.) I had forgotten about the ad-ware BS untill I stumbled over this video (also Dave wasn't the only one doing this shite ... MANY companies were also doing it back then)

I think most of the software companies were doing this, especially antivirus. His "scamming" doesn't seem so bad when you were actually using a computer at that time.

I switched to Linux because XP.

Nevar regretted, penquins FTW!


Looks like he also got the Microsoft Bloatware sickness while he was working there😂😂. I didn't expect anything else from an ex-Microsoft employee. Idk what they have with bloatware but they just love it for some reason.

Oh that why Steam IS a bloated pile of 💩

Nowadays, yes.
But pre-2010 their OSes, Software, etc. was as clean as it could get.
OEMs liked to bloat, yes, but that isn't really MS's issue. ( To be fair - If I were MS at that time, I would have forbidden OEMs to do so - as it significantly harmed the Windows /Microsoft Brand)


Originally thought this was clickbait, but not with Enderman! This is quite insane, as he always seemed to be a trustworthy guy.


Some of my own software doesn't remove every single registry key it wrote to on uninstall but it's not malicious, it's usually laziness or users wanting to keep some settings on reinstall or registry keys that are used by more than just my software. Leaving keys behind is messy but at least I don't popup any annoying last chance scare tactic coupon messages.


I remember these crap programs from early 2000s.


the man who scammed millions 2: electric boogalo


I'm only 8 mins in, and I think the video is already better than the old. Nice job. Very surprised Dave left Microsoft for this (would love to know more about that). Great video so far

Finished the vid. Great work! This is very well made and through. I appreciate you remaking the video. I think it really helped organize everything. I also really liked you following the court docs (even though it had a lot of legal language lol). It really helped put into perspective the facts of the case vs his software. Thank you!


This attempt is much better than the one you delisted. Much better story but Dave should have admitted wrongdoing in his video and in the book he sells


Doesn't matter if he's a knowledgeable guy about certain areas of Windows, programming etc if he still won't own up to making PUPs, adware, scamware. He overuses the "im the task manager guy" in his videos to build some sort of authenticity to the viewer. It's fine until you realise he did all this terrible stuff, makes it seem like he is downplaying it.

Based off some other peoples information, he isn't the most reliable for recounting information at least, and at worst overstating his contributions in certain areas. Like the GDI start menu, 64 bit pinball, zip folders etc. Also the "proprietary linux kernel blob linus puts in intentionally" is just not right. I bet he was a great company man!


Having watched the previous video, it did seem a bit too volitional and long winded rather than educational. You did a way better job sticking to the facts in this video, and I think it has a much better effect because of it.


How did you get Internet Shield? I cannot find anything related to download in both videos and related links in the description.

I wanted to decompile this thing to see what it really does. internet shield com download asp is dead and i could not find anything.

Hey! I dug down the Internet Archive. I updated the description, now you can download the malware pieces.


Good to know. Some of his videos were popping around youtube and I watched some of them. But you can never trust a scammer. So as soon as another of his videos appears around, I'll tell youtube to stop recommending his channel.


he did scam, but his beard is pretty cool


I suspect the reason for him keeping mum is the potential for other state or class-action lawsuits, however slim. It would be nice to learn more about the ins and outs of this wild-west era.


I unsubscribed from him as soon as I saw this. I have completely different feelings about him after not telling the truth.

Me too. Everyone has done things they're not proud of (he & I are about the same age) -- but hiding it implies (to me) that he's still on the scam train.


I think the old version was more entertaining.... But this version feels fairer.  I'm not going to bother deep diving into any of this..... I'm glad you decided to try to be as fair as possible by making this new version.  Since it seems so many of his stories seem to have details that don't line up with reality I had already started taking his stories with lots of salt, because of that,  I don't know how much this actually changes anything.   I wish Dave had more to say.... Weather it be full on villain mode, or anything more tempered, fact based or purely fiction, I'd all be super entertaining to watch as he either cements himself as a particular character, and/or sets the internet ablaze with critics bringing him down.  He probably isn't sure what he thinks and feels  (he probably thinks his software companies were a net good for the world) lines up with what most would consider socially acceptable and would rather ignore it and just wait till it dies down.


It was pretty common back then to be faced with these sort of charlatans who wanted to steal money and annoy and badger until they succeeded. However, they were impossible to track down and were never held to account. Our boy Dave, not quite as smart as his competition. Software such as this encouraged the anti virus vendors. Bravo to the plaintiffs for getting precedent on the books, as tech was still not well understood by the masses.


100% agree with you, obviously a scam written by someone who worked that closely with Microsoft (not surprising really) it's the nerve of him to exploit people by using his insider knowledge and panic or coerce people into parting with their money for a product they don't even need


hi there, this was actually a very well researched video about someone who never leaves my youtube homepage 😅<br>btw please stick to speaking in your videos instead of just captioning, it really helps people with disability ❤

hi there, this was actually a very well researched video about someone who never leaves my youtube homepage 😅
btw please stick to speaking in your videos instead of just captioning, it really helps people with disability ❤


the thumbnail and title of this video looked exactly like something he’d make so I assumed it was and didn’t activate it tbh


You, Dave, NCommander and Dave should get into a call to clean this all up. Maybe with another respected dev like Steve Gibson from GRC / Security Now.

Yeah!! Also invite Dave while at it. Maybe even invite Dave.


It's not the worst thing i've seen.<br>Yeah sure shady practices; but he wasn't asking for much money.  $6 could get you about 12 sodas back then.

It's not the worst thing i've seen.
Yeah sure shady practices; but he wasn't asking for much money.  $6 could get you about 12 sodas back then.


Video Idea: Mess with an extremely technical distribution of Linux or try the new macOS Sequoia beta! Btw, great video.


Somehow I'm not surprised that an ex-Microsoft employee would do something so scummy. It's like it's that company's whole modus operandi ever since its inception.


I don't get it. You seem to be one of the persons loving to destroy people by dragging things from the past into the recent public. But why? EVERYONE has something that one is not proud anymore. He did do the Task Manager, he did do many things. People need to start checking GOOD things people made, not BAD ones. Yes, they might be part of his history and life. But lessons learned are a big thing for a human being. We should all provide more energy in CREATING things not looking into the past, that has been addressed and judged already.

It’s not surprising coming from a channel that promotes “windows = bad” vibes tbh. The issue was over and ended with multiple fines but probably guy just wants him bankrupt lol. Sometimes I watch him for something like bypassing windows 95 logon for fun, but other times he just tries too hard. Maybe the guy wants to be a pentester based on the past videos, well, kudos I guess.

"Some people just want to watch the world burn..." (not that there's anything wrong with that)


I admire Dave for trying to get a piece of the pie. His software was not nearly as malicious as Windows itself. He doesn't wear a halo and I'm alright with that. For some perspective a major political party just chose as their nominee a person who never received a single vote during the primary season. Dave's indiscretions pale in light of current events and characters.


I agree Dave was a scammer. That said, I come to your channel to learn absolutely weird shit about Windows and this video just was not a weird shit about Windows. I hope the regular programme will resume shortly :D


Hi While I take the facts you present as true I think it's unfair to judge someone for participation in the market for utility software ~20 years ago by the standards of today - you completely fail to mention the state of the market and how other competitors operated at the time - the inadequate state of the operating systems - the actions, concerns and expectations of people at the time - I suspect also that the only reason he was prosecuted was because he happened to have his company registered in a particular jurisdiction whereas most others completely avoided this - the software market - along with most other markets - is full of people over promising and acting deceptively - just reference Apple, Microsoft and Intel today!

Except those companies actually deliver.


While this is certainly insightful, I do think it's blown out of proportions a bit, this kinda marketing is still done by many softwares, while misinforming user on their system's security is probably the worst, it's still not that bad. I thought he actually scammed people out of money by not delivering something because of the video title.

@saikiranj807  most of the softwares were snake oil or somewhat helpful but just google for 10 mins for a list of blocked domains...

I mean, he scammed people by delivering something they didn't need after scaring them into thinking they needed it to be safe.  Just because the scam is common, doesn't mean it's not a scam.

@@BrainStormzFTC Isn't that what AV is? PSP only detected things that were known and did absolutely nothing against the unknown...for like a few decades there. If software wasn't almost completely opaque to all users, this wouldn't be a problem.


the way he made a video about phil katz completely assassinating his character, i never watched any of his videos again after that.<br>and, as someone who was around back then, i left the internet in around 2000 and got back online in 2002 or 2003, and suddenly a ton of software that had been illegal before was suddenly common, but called "adware" and "spyware". there was tons of software like this. you had to be careful about everything you installed and unclick a bunch of stuff and read the EULA. it was a huge mess for several years.

the way he made a video about phil katz completely assassinating his character, i never watched any of his videos again after that.
and, as someone who was around back then, i left the internet in around 2000 and got back online in 2002 or 2003, and suddenly a ton of software that had been illegal before was suddenly common, but called "adware" and "spyware". there was tons of software like this. you had to be careful about everything you installed and unclick a bunch of stuff and read the EULA. it was a huge mess for several years.


Thank you for making a reupload about this.


I like Dave<br>But he is no more autistic than me

I like Dave
But he is no more autistic than me


wow, I didn't expect this to be someone I watch.


One thing I am wondering: He did an interview with Dave Cutler on his channel, who is basically the top most lead developer of the Windows kernel and one of the most influential MS employees to this day. Shouldn't they have done some kind of background check before agreeing to such an interview?


While I don't condone this kind of business practice, especially by today's standards, a little context is important. The early wild west of the internet was FULL of software doing this exact same thing. In fact, tt was so commonplace as to be mundane. Any internet user worth their salt just clicked past the blatant ads and uninstalled, and everyone else probably didn't stumble across the internet cleaner in the first place.

Again, I'm not condoning his company for doing it, but neither am I going to condemn the man 20-years on for following what was the trend at the time. It is what it is.


This was standard business practice for those kinds of apps in the early 2000s. I don't believe Dave is in the wrong here. I also don't believe there is any reason that he would have to talk about this.

Emphases on this kind of programs. Why is this guy doing these kind of scams that only scammer run back then?


This was one of those that when I saw the ad, I would disconnect the ethernet cable to my computer and kill it through the Windows Task Manager.


Maybe he didn't leave and was FIRED for doing SCUM things at work! The Scammer of Microsoft!

We can’t start making claims without evidence. Sure he might’ve done scams outside of Microsoft but there’s no evidence of him being fired. also how exactly would he be scamming in Microsoft?

Or maybe, just maybe, the challenges and pressures of working on such large-scale projects took s toll on him.

Not to mention keeping autism and ADHD in check while doing these is no bueno.

@@Mario583a Shut the f up godddaaaaamn
My autism and adhd didn't turn me into a scammer and an extortionist.
OH NOOOOO THIS JOB IS SO STRESSFUL I GOTTA COPE WITH IT BY EXTORTING OLD PEOPLE 😭😭😭😭
Go say that to an ATC controller, please!


Hey Enderman, my computer got a bsod yesterday with the err MEMORY_MANAGEMENT. And then when it booted it was stuck in the Windows logo for like 5 minutes, and then it’s now stuck in the thing that looks like the CMD window. What should I do now? (pls help)


Unsubscribed from him.. I just can't follow some guy who made millions from pop-up crap ware like this. The time I spent in IT dealing with this crap back in the day.


When people on social media see admission of guilt and "asking for fogiveness" posts - they usually act like vultures. They don't care about the context, whether if it was already discussed in court, if enough time had passed, if things were done differently "back then" - I'm not talking about this case specifically, just mentioning random context points. I'd have probably acted the same as Dave by not addressing this situation, nothing good can come out of it, especially if this was already discussed in court and what not. To whom this stuff matters - It's alright to have this stuff online, in case something new comes up. As in, if instead of making non-profit educational videos, he'd suddenly seek funding for some project he might come up with - then sure, he'd have to address those issues.<br>To me it looks likes he's a guy who's trying to have some fun during his retirement, and it seems like he's doing alright money-wise and doesn't need anything from us and just looking to share his hobbies with the world, and I'm fine with that.

When people on social media see admission of guilt and "asking for fogiveness" posts - they usually act like vultures. They don't care about the context, whether if it was already discussed in court, if enough time had passed, if things were done differently "back then" - I'm not talking about this case specifically, just mentioning random context points. I'd have probably acted the same as Dave by not addressing this situation, nothing good can come out of it, especially if this was already discussed in court and what not. To whom this stuff matters - It's alright to have this stuff online, in case something new comes up. As in, if instead of making non-profit educational videos, he'd suddenly seek funding for some project he might come up with - then sure, he'd have to address those issues.
To me it looks likes he's a guy who's trying to have some fun during his retirement, and it seems like he's doing alright money-wise and doesn't need anything from us and just looking to share his hobbies with the world, and I'm fine with that.

I feel the opposite:
If a scammer stops scamming but does everything he can so people don't discover his previous scam - I can only surmise he's still scamming (or at least defending his prior scams).
I'd trust him A LOT more if he said, "I was young, I was selfish, and I was greedy... and I am sorry. I'm no longer that way & I paid the penalties for my crimes. Let me help you recognize the types of scams I used to perpetrate so you won't be taken in by them."

@@heyjude1971 If his cases were dealt in court, and it was really long ago, and they guy doesn't need anything from his viewerd - then I couldn't care less. He's not actively scamming anyone AFAIK.
Again, it's good to have this info online for whatever comes in the future, but it feels irrelevant in the meanwhile.
Moreover, there's too much YT drama that's going on at the moment, maybe some folks enjoy this kind of sensory overload, but I'm just tired. I'm both studying and working and would like to wind down and look at interesting stuff, rather than sharpen my pitchfork and go after randoms.


Much better than the original video, and more concise and factual. I wish that Dave would stop trying to downplay this and stop lying/misrepresenting other stories and facts that he has told in the past about Windows and other such things. The part where he states that Linux is closed-source "which includes a binary blob" was probably a joke, but it's still funny to me lol


I actually had been advertised and USED these* exact two pieces of software when I was a kid. I distinctly remember google search results were TRASHED by them for things like actual registry assistants and searches regarding how to reconfigure various parts of XP’s millions of errors per second!!


I would never want to interact with the creator of "products" like that


Enderman corrected a few things he got wrong with the last one.


I was enjoying this video but it stopped playing. I think I am having trouble with my registry. Can anyone recommend a good registry cleaner? Thanks in advance!!!


I FORGOT ABOUT THIS CHANNEL NOSTALGIA FROM 5 YEARS AGO


18:47 did you design this "traffic light" system of BS / questionable / correct?  I love it.  Is it a standard thing?  It should be used by everyone!


The ole Snake Oil...  Or is this more like the guy with a baseball bat saying, "It'd be a real shame if something bad happened to all your stuff..."?  Seems more like in the middle of the two.

@@arizvisa * and Windows updates, lol, at least Windows 7; I went to linux after that.  I reloaded and turned off all updates on Windows 7, and suddenly, my computer ran smooth as butter for years...  Still went to linux though, screw Microsoft for doing shady stuff like that.

@@GilFavor101 Windows updates (and generally all updates) are legitimately needed for all platforms, though. Software is hard and can be fragile in all sorts of obv and non-obv ways. (Don't know if I'd blame M$ for that other than the damage that they did to public education by pushing their brand and maintaining their
monopoly)

If anything, though, it shouldn't be as opaque as it is...especially updates. Software providers shouldn't be holding people's hands and shielding their eyes while walking them through a tunnel of sh*t. People should be given all the information, and if they don't know what it means..we're in the information age, they should be able to look it up. Issues should be reportable  and fixable through a means other than social media and societal pressure, even.

At the very least users should have some form of measurement by which they can compare software and restore the idea of competition bringing out the better and more stable solution... unlike AV/PSP or many others. Not giving value to anything other then convenience breaks the entire paradigm.

In general, people should be making an explicit choice when they want to spend cycles executing something. That ship has already sailed, though.

@@GilFavor101 Windows updates (and generally all updates) are legitimately needed for _all_ platforms, though. Software is hard and can be fragile in all sorts of obv and non-obv ways. (Don't know if I'd blame M$ for that other than the damage that they did to public education by pushing their brand and maintaining their
monopoly)

If anything, though, it shouldn't be as opaque as it is...especially updates. Software providers shouldn't be holding people's hands and shielding their eyes while walking them through a tunnel of sh*t. People should be given all the information, and if they don't know what it means..we're in the information age, they should be able to look it up. Issues should be reportable  and fixable through a means other than social media and societal pressure, even.

At the very least users should have some form of measurement by which they can compare software and restore the idea of competition bringing out the better and more stable solution... unlike AV/PSP or many others. Not giving value to anything other then convenience breaks the entire paradigm.

In general, people should be making an explicit choice when they want to spend cycles executing something. That ship has already sailed, though.

@@GilFavor101 (1 of 4)
Windows updates (and generally all updates) are legitimately needed for all platforms, though. Software is hard and can be fragile in all sorts of obv and non-obv ways. (don't know if I'd blame M$ for that other than the damage that they did to public education by pushing their brand and maintaining their monopoly)

@@GilFavor101 (1 of 4)
Windows updates (and generally all updates) are legitimately needed for _all_ platforms, though. Software is hard and can be fragile in all sorts of obv and non-obv ways. (don't know if I'd blame M$ for that other than the damage that they did to public education by pushing their brand and maintaining their monopoly)

@@GilFavor101 (2 of 4)<br>If anything, though, it shouldn't be as opaque as it is...especially updates. Software providers shouldn't be holding people's hands and shielding their eyes while walking them through a tunnel of sh*t. People should be given all the information, and if they don't know what it means..we're in the information age, they should be able to look it up.  Issues should be reportable  and fixable through a means other than social media and societal pressure, even.

@@GilFavor101 (2 of 4)
If anything, though, it shouldn't be as opaque as it is...especially updates. Software providers shouldn't be holding people's hands and shielding their eyes while walking them through a tunnel of sh*t. People should be given all the information, and if they don't know what it means..we're in the information age, they should be able to look it up.  Issues should be reportable  and fixable through a means other than social media and societal pressure, even.

@@GilFavor101 (3 of 4)<br>At the very least users should have some form of measurement by which they can compare software and restore the idea of competition bringing out the better and more stable solution... unlike AV/PSP or many others. Not giving value to anything other then convenience breaks the entire paradigm.

@@GilFavor101 (3 of 4)
At the very least users should have some form of measurement by which they can compare software and restore the idea of competition bringing out the better and more stable solution... unlike AV/PSP or many others. Not giving value to anything other then convenience breaks the entire paradigm.

@@GilFavor101 (4 of 4)<br>In general, people should be making an explicit choice when they want to spend cycles executing something. That ship has already sailed, though.

@@GilFavor101 (4 of 4)
In general, people should be making an explicit choice when they want to spend cycles executing something. That ship has already sailed, though.


Video idea: Turn a windows server 2012 (specifically since i love the 8.1 alot)

into a useable one


What is the tool being used at 18:23 with the window title "Install and trace a program"?


I remember these scammy ads. I never took the bait. I don’t know of anyone who did, but doubt the software even worked at all.


This was already hashed out publicly ages ago. I still think Dave is cool. 😎


Idea : what happends when you eject an disk c while installing windows


I can't believe I'm one of the first because I've never caught a video that was published 30 seconds ago this is crazy


Looks like Dave does not like sunlight falling upon him.


Hello Enderman, I wanted to ask you for a long time now because your vids are truly a treasure.
What free app/budget friendly would you use to do macro for games? I tried a lot of apps, they have theirs ups and downs but a lot of them just doesn't work in game, if they are not focues etc..
So, what would you reccomend me? :)


Im hyped for more videos of him. Seems to be he uploads a bit more now


So he's like the Walter White of windows software. I hope he talks about it from his perspective, that would be a pretty cool story.


Thanks for sharing, i used to watch this guys videos but I could smell the bs through the screen, good to know the specifics.


This was almost 20 years ago. We all do stupid stuff. Back then, the focus was advertisements and really aggressively pushing your users into purchasing. These days, it's ransomware / crypto and NFT. It's tempting, as it sounds like an easy (though illegal) way of getting rich quick.
Also - why does he "owe you an explanation"? It's water under the bridge. He is a retired software engineer from Microsoft. And other places. Are you planning on working for the same company until you retire? Everyone changes jobs. It would be quite boring if he opens every video with a full read of his complete resume.

This was almost 20 years ago. We all do stupid stuff. Back then, the focus was advertisements and really aggressively pushing your users into purchasing. These days, it's ransomware / crypto and NFT. It's tempting, as it sounds like an easy (though illegal) way of getting rich quick.
Also - why does he "owe you an explanation"? It's water under the bridge. He *is* a retired software engineer from Microsoft. And other places. Are you planning on working for the same company until you retire? Everyone changes jobs. It would be quite boring if he opens every video with a full read of his complete resume.

I'm no crypto miner or anything, but NFTs and Crypto are not illegal. Also, crypto software is not the same as a program that pretends to do something it does not. Dave Plumer's past is a matter of public interest. End of story.


hey enderman can you install windows in a usb?


Idea for the next video (extremely hard to do) <br>Make windows 11 32 bit by replacing the most of files, or you can make windows true 64 bit (by converting all non 32 bit files to 64 bits).

Idea for the next video (extremely hard to do)
Make windows 11 32 bit by replacing the most of files, or you can make windows true 64 bit (by converting all non 32 bit files to 64 bits).


This certainly explains the vibe I was getting from his videos. He just should properly address the scumware and move on. Videos are best with honesty. It's just better to admit such major mistakes.


you changed your title to include (in 2006) on 07/28/24


Well, honestly it is not even 10% that bad as modern software you get preinstalled on PC notebooks. Not mentioning some websites like softpedia etc which installs lots of shut nearby.


So what? This was way above the bar in 2006, and even if the software had some shortcomings, it's features were valuable for the time.

Sounds kinda like you don't have any recollection of what it was like to use a computer 18 years ago.

what "features" it was just scareware to get you to pay up for nothing useful

What do you mean above bar in 2006? I was ranting about how shitty RegCure was back then and I'll say the same today

@@mandai2 Don't get me wrong, it was junkware and a few far superior tools did exist, but I certainly wouldn't say its bugs and ill-conceived dark patterns put it on the same level as all the outright fakes and trojans going around at the time; certainly not a scam to be compared to modern crypto pump-n-dumps like the video concludes.

@@titop.5228 But it's common knowledge that there is no benefit and only risk to using a registry cleaner, I have seen them mess up programs and corrupt operating systems, and the end user has to pay someone like me to fix their PC afterwards

Youtube is hiding our comments in this discussion, you might need to switch to Newest first to see them, it didn't even give me a notification.

@@mandai2 Be careful chalking issues up to targeted maliciousness, rather than what is more likely...that the software is overcomplicated garbage with many layers of complexity and opacities. Blaming one without the recognizing the potential failures of the other very quickly leads to paranoid delusions.

@@arizvisa I'm not calling them malicious, they are as you say overcomplicated garbage and the average PC user doesn't understand the risk

@@mandai2 When you phrase your comment as "Youtube is ...<doing something>... in this discussion", you make it seem like it's an explicit action being taken by the service provider rather than an unintentional side effect of how SW has grown.

@@arizvisa Oh I was referring to the registry cleaner discussion. Same thing though I am not calling anyone malicious, I am just raising awareness of the issue.

@@mandai2for sure from a modern/informed perspective this looks so much worse

And thanks for the tip about sorting by newest! I knew YT's comment filtering is insane and makes no sense but this whole time I thought missing comments were simply deleted


This is rather disappointing to see. A lot of these dark patterns are still in use today, Adobe recently got in hot water about it. Technically not a scam, since the software did do what it said it did even if it did so poorly and the need was exaggerated, but still well across the line in terms of ethics.


Deleting original video was a mistake. This video is so dead, only 32k views...


Oh what a patron saint Dave is, donating most of his moneys to autism! You can never criticize nor point out the bad things someone did because they give money away! Only a disingenuous person hides behind these things.

To the guy who made the video, you made a mistake folding and removing the video. Don't believe any of Dave's BS. You should have made a followup video to correct the minor technicalities of the first video at most.


"hey im dave and you probably know me from things like the task manager or scamming millions of people"


Go buy any computer from a big box story and find a bunch of bload/crap-ware that does the same stuff.

Maybe in 2007. Get real. Keep sweeping for Plumer.


How did you begin discoveringv his dark history? just by reading his book?


most evil thing he did is windows licence protection and blue screen code chain. it blocks your devices without informing you insalls downloads uplods data fromm your pc to so called windows servers as you can see on crowd.. strike ... case :D
and thats actually scam code chain of windows itself when for whatewer reason that code thinks and as you can see can thing your system is pirated... i think its ok to check if licence is valid or not tough network .. but disabling your local devices without even notification or bluescreen or writing some evil code to block some windows or os features is illegal and against laws but who can check the actual code and understand :D
but anyway todays ai tools are not working correctly... but in future i can clearly see ai automated data analysis and reporting system or general automated intelligience systems will be able to see what ive seen on lines of code :D


(also never been to a vid so early, no views and 40 seconds)


Bro my all browsers on my pc after I open then just close I watch every single video and do any method but nothing change plz give me a method to fix it


Hey i wanted To ask If i cann get on Ur discord again my ACC got hacked and i Had To make a new one


Please bro make a video on how to bypass or solve the DRIVER PNP WATCHDOG please


.. it was  a problem at that time everyone did that . He helped people understand how important anti v is ...he did his time .. and i belive he learned from it ..


You should do more viewer made malware videos!


Dave has a charity.<br>If this is true, it begs the question the running of that charity.

Dave has a charity.
If this is true, it begs the question the running of that charity.

@@Endermanch I think he means the autism donation thing

@@teamredstudio7012that’s way different from personally controlling a charity

@@teamredstudio7012 im curious about this because iirc there are some really bad autism charities.

@@teamredstudio7012 i think that's 100% bullshit


I get many anti - virus warnings and Microsoft Warnings in my email accounts<br>Funny thing is , I have not used microsoft garbage or an antivirus app for 30 years since I went fully Linux based on all my systems

I get many anti - virus warnings and Microsoft Warnings in my email accounts
Funny thing is , I have not used microsoft garbage or an antivirus app for 30 years since I went fully Linux based on all my systems


Did I miss something?  Did Dave respond to the first one somehow?


I think the Twitter "response" #3 doesn't relate to your inquiry.


Better than the drama-seeking slander form last time

Edit: this comment made it sound like this video isnt good, but it is


I hope you never find internet porn, then you’ll see some shit.

As the owner of several of the 2000 sites blocked by his software, thank you for waging war against negative affirmation billing. A lot of blood may be spilled. I for one am auto ticked off. And bored. You guys checked out Dave’s Chanel? So entertaining I don’t care what he does to  my computer. Go after adobe next.


Andrew I dare you to replace every file in windows 11 with the file from windows 10 and “upgrade” to windows 10

I remember that joke from one of your videos long time I’ve been here


What is the purpose of this? Are you so desperate for likes and subs you want to dredge up something that happened almost 20 years ago? So, you're not satisfied with the legal outcome of this and have some sort of entitlement to have this man publicly apologize?


You  should install a modern MDR into that VM And see if it detects that software as suspicious when its running. I would be surprised if it doesn't.


have you tried to talk to him?  I maybe wrong, but he seems as "a matter of fact" guy.  There has to be something more to it?  I also find it strange that this has come after his videos of "crowdstrike" and windows "secure boot" being compromised.  This all seems like a hit piece by an initial source, then people like you piling on.  I would not be shocked if all of this did not come from Microsoft!  BTW, a lot of elite people in the industry come on his show, if he was a bad dude, they would know it before we do, and would not come on and talk with him.  This all seems really sketch!

watch 2 minutes into the video before you comment an essay

The software showcased on the video, is SCREAMING of "rogue AV".

No matter what you say, you cannot undispute this. The softwares had the generic set of generalized "issues" with your PC, (even if it's a clean install) that you see with many rogues, and attempt (some do this) to fix a very low number non-existent issues, only for you to pay the software to fix ALL the non-existent issues.

And, obviously uses the typical coercion tactic of giving you a sale, just for the user to not uninstall the software, and even if it does, it still leaves some residues, EVEN if the user wanted to remove all of it's components on the uninstall window. That's absolutely vile.

 The only way for this is if dave would come clean, but, as always, once success and money get over your head, you start to ignore, and attempt to make sure people don't know about your shady past.

I'm beginning to suspect he really didn't the task manager for windows. Maybe he did, but im willing to bet it wasn't any important function or module.

You're lucky he didn't learned from some VERY malicious rogues, like Navashield, or windows accelerator pro, (part of the FakeVimes family of rogues) that completely overwrites the shell. Basically, it restarts your PC when you execute the rogue, and after a while, instead of being greeted by the login screen, you are greeted with the rogue starting. (you can't even start task manager here, which given dave's past is almost poetical, and even then, the program had this bug that could crash it, by simply changing languages rapidly)


DUDE I HAVE BAD NEWS FOR YOU.<br>Since you from russian (or from ukraine idk) The youtube is SOO laggy. That it could crash or something. But you can fix it using vpn. Sorry about that :(

DUDE I HAVE BAD NEWS FOR YOU.
Since you from russian (or from ukraine idk) The youtube is SOO laggy. That it could crash or something. But you can fix it using vpn. Sorry about that :(


No views in 1 min? Enderman really fell off


Someone should try decompiling/recompiling or hacking at the sw with resource hacker to remove all the naggy and restrictive bits.


So you gonna do a video about every bit of sketch software from that era, or just going after Dave 'cuz he's popular?


um i dont know who owned the intro first anymore bc of this channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDb32BhW_Pw
(edit, also i don't really think that the channel is a alternative/3rd channel of Enderman)


SHUT PLUMMER DOWN! GET THE PITCHFORKS! ITS GO TIME!


I have the VidPro Vision Extension that you changed your title to include (in 2006) on 07/28/24


Pinned comment, the old video had misinformation


I hope you don't have misinformed data on that one.


At least it kind of makes sense in the early days!

@mandai2 slow hard drives mainly, especially for laptops with 5600RPM drives were so slow they had quick start options that ran some form of lower OS or different OS.<br>Recommend Cathode ray dude Quick Start series to learn more.

@mandai2 slow hard drives mainly, especially for laptops with 5600RPM drives were so slow they had quick start options that ran some form of lower OS or different OS.
Recommend Cathode ray dude Quick Start series to learn more.

@@Toys0126 But the registry is only used on Windows OS

@@mandai2 Linux and Mac have a registry as well.<br>in a different form no less.

@@mandai2 Linux and Mac have a registry as well.
in a different form no less.

@@Mario583a They use application config files, totally different from a registry

@@Mario583a Shoutouts to Youtube for hiding my comment


I'm glad I didn't see your original video, this is actually the worst video of yours, that i've seen... you have only proved he went to court, what scam did you actually cover? I saw no such thing! Only a program that was buggy and used annoyances of that era. You have not covered what the paid program did or did not do. I totally remember Registry Cleaner and yes it was/had adware ... so did other software from that same period... I still feel like you are the one in wrong! You say he "Claims" he created Taskmgr, almost calling him a liar, like he didn't create Taskmgr... Prove it! Your videos normally carries proof of your findings, and I usually can't wait for your next video drop, this gives me a sick feeling, attacking without providing actual proof, other than a lawsuit and a settlement. Calling it a scam it an unproven lowball, even though it was written in the lawsuit.

Telling the user they are in danger when they are not SL you can sell them a product they probably don't need but will buy because of fear, fear you gave them, fear unfounded in reality... That's a scam.  Charging people more than they agrees to because you checked a box by default hoping they wouldn't notice is a scam.  Just because these scam tactics were popular at the time (and arguably to this day) doesn't mean they aren't scam tactics.


So basically like any other antivirus/registry cleaner/pc speedup.

You're retarded if that's the conclusion you've come to


Why do people create this cancel drama? Is he hated so much? Idc if he scammed some people, almost everybody has some shady stuff in their past. Especially neurodivergent people who may not empathize or feel ashamed like normal people do, even if they are not actually evil, just different. That is not an excuse for doing bad stuff, but he has already been judged for it and I don't think online personalities need to come clear with their past. It may be causing them a serious mental health issues, what do you know.. do you want to be responsible for their self-harm? It is their own decision how they want to present themselves, please don't try to force your moral and personality on them.

Don't provide excuses for him. To me as a European this is a typical American point of view you provide. He is not trustworthy and all his present actions should be viewed with his 'past' attitude towards innocent individuals whom he scammed out a lot of money.

@@NoiseEverywhere As a European, I think you should just leave that out of your ignorant comments. You're making us all look bad.

@@dc9662 As a European I just want an unbiased view of his past 👍

@@dc9662 I understand why you say this. The reason why I replied in that way is because I got scammed by somebody ( Non US ) and the 2 individuals whom could have provided critical evidence in my court case were Americans whom used the same excuses as the person I replied too and I lost my case in court. When you're guilty of scamming somebody and get away with it or a minor conviction, that person will scam again other innocent victims. Those 2 individuals knew what happened and could have testified. I don't generalize, the moral compass is just different for some due to a different society. One of them declared himself as suffering from autism. As soon as he realized that his testimony would have a negative impact on his relationship with the scammer, he refused to testify. He showed compassion to my situation until I asked him to speak out and help me.<br>Call me what you want, my comment was not ignorant. But hey, everybody is free to have his/her own opinion.

@@dc9662 I understand why you say this. The reason why I replied in that way is because I got scammed by somebody ( Non US ) and the 2 individuals whom could have provided critical evidence in my court case were Americans whom used the same excuses as the person I replied too and I lost my case in court. When you're guilty of scamming somebody and get away with it or a minor conviction, that person will scam again other innocent victims. Those 2 individuals knew what happened and could have testified. I don't generalize, the moral compass is just different for some due to a different society. One of them declared himself as suffering from autism. As soon as he realized that his testimony would have a negative impact on his relationship with the scammer, he refused to testify. He showed compassion to my situation until I asked him to speak out and help me.
Call me what you want, my comment was not ignorant. But hey, everybody is free to have his/her own opinion.


he also does fake givaways on his channel 😂


Idk… seems to me like you thought you found an easy target to attack so you can make a hot video and hopefully get a mass influx of subscribers.<br>That was 18 years ago… why are you so worried about it now? What did Dave do to you? Dave is a good guy (and if he wasn’t in the past, he is NOW). What is your objective here?

Idk… seems to me like you thought you found an easy target to attack so you can make a hot video and hopefully get a mass influx of subscribers.
That was 18 years ago… why are you so worried about it now? What did Dave do to you? Dave is a good guy (and if he wasn’t in the past, he is NOW). What is your objective here?

@@Windows2000Professional.s ragebaiting? Never heard that term yet, but sounds like that’s what the poster wants to do


Heros dont exist. Dave, certainly wont ever be one

"We are all heroes in our own story" ~~ Unknown


Never underestimate a russian with ample time and passion for windows bashing. Nice active measure


Enderman could you run VMWARE 17 from the boot screen


I thought this guy was on the level originally but after a few videos something seemed sus. Shame


If this is true, and I say IF, because nowadays it is getting harder by the day to know if something claimed in social media, including YouTube is true, but IF the contents in this video is true, it reflects poorly on Microsoft too, because one of their employees have been using inside information, about how the operating system, namely Windows, works to go through with the scam. One of Microsofts former employees has used the weaknesses of the OS, even when some of it maybe not was actuall viruses, but unwanted behaviour as popups, to scare people to buy his program.

This is why I find the contents in the video hard to take for granted, or really be sure of, because Microsoft would or should have interfered to stop one of their former employees, running a scam, based upon not commonly known weaknesses of their operating system, or what?

If all this is true, I must say that Bill Gates had it coming for him, that most people do not really believe he is a philantropist, the scam was
really abusing the fear many people rightfully had, that something would go wrong with Windows.

I surely hope Dave Plummer makes a video and explains himself, if there is any hold to the claims in this video. Even Microsoft has some explaining to do, we all remember all the mayhem with unwanted popups and an OS that was so difficult to keep secure from threats.

Also - finally Microsoft was sued by the authorities and had to include other web browsers than Internet Explorer, didn’t they. Nowadays, it seems
like they are back to their old habits, because Edge starts in the background, even if you use another internet browser and it seems not to be easiy or possible to uninstall Edge.


i made this on windows xp and good video also


Not a great look. This video made me miss XP 😢


Autism does explain to a certain degree why he doesn't see any wrongdoing or feels 'bad' towards his victims. He didn't force anybody to buy his software or other services. In certain individuals whom are diagnosed with autism it is 'normal' that they lack empathy towards the 'less educated' computer users. Personally I've watched plenty of his videos but due to my IT background I often felt something was off since he always remained very superficial in his explanations. I was intrigued early on when he started his youtube channel but I did unsubscribe since his content didn't provide a certain degree of insight in his previous alleged work at Microsoft modules. Thank you for confirming my gut feeling about him.

It could also be that He isnt alowed to talk in depth about most stuff he did because he signed an NDA

@@harisalic2568 I don't think SoftwareOnline LLC even had a NDA.

As someone on the spectrum, I completely agree with you. You need to "learn" to be empathetic to people, to understand how they feel. It's not a "given" to us, like it is to most other people. It's not like we lack empathy, it's just that we feel and understand it very differently.
In case of Dave, it's like "almost nobody has ever complained, so why all this hate ?". The software wasn't malware and actually worked as described (even if it's usefulness was questionable at best). It's just that all the aggressive attempts to coerce people into paying overshadowed any useful value the software had (if any).

But what's true is that the software industry in 00's was filled with such junkwares and he's not the only person who made millions from them.


Matthew 6:14-15: For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.


omg im the senegal guy u are famaus broo i love u


@@HiImKyle this was posted before that comment


I like Dave's channel, but I wouldn't have any problem criticizing him. I think it was a pretty tough sentence, because of
1) computers are always in risk, especially with Windows installed :-) How did they find out that computers weren't in risk?
2) like you mentioned: if you uninstall software,  there are almost always some leftovers on the PC
3) The software wasn't that bad for 2006  - I actually used it (full version on Astalavista for free hahaha) - don't forget that was almost 20 years ago, there was a lot of paid crap software and almost no free software
4) The automatic opt-in is, of course, not a good practice, but back then, the internet was like the Wild West. If nobody says you can't do it, why shouldn't you do it?
5) I prefer a 5 dollar discount offer when I uninstall a software instead of installing ad software due to misleading buttons like the Nox Player is doing still today! That is much worse in my opinion.

By the way, why should Dave respond to that? Everything that is to know is in this "neutral" sentence.


I felt in my gut there was something off about his delivery when I first started seeing him on YT here not long ago.


привет, ты русский?

привет, ты русский?


So he went to court and was penalized, he moved on and you decided you can monetize on his ancient past history.  People are commenting that he needs to come clean, really?!? So anything he does going forward he needs to come clean?!? Thats like never giving people a second chance.

   If you want to assess the validity of this video, let's find all the other videos he does about former criminals that aren't famous? Oh there aren't any? Thats because this content creator is another type of scum.  The kind that finds dirt on people that have moved on which have become famous to monetize on their fame.

   If he made this video 18 years ago, i would see relevance.

> Thats because this content creator is another type of scum.  The kind that finds dirt on people that have moved on which have become famous to monetize on their fame.

enderman has literally never done this before. this is.. the first time..


I knew something was off when he mentioned that NT dynamically drew the start menu banner.

I've been replacing those BMP banners since I was a kid playing with Resource Hacker.

I always knew it wasn't drawn. How did a "major developer" - especially mentioning the Shell Update so often - not know?


As a developer, I'm skeptical of any technical Youtuber crowing loudly about a former employer. Thousands of people work in tech. Many people work for companies for only a few years and move on. If you worked for a company for five years or less I don't care about it. If you worked for a company for 25 or more years then perhaps that is interesting, but only to a point. Focus on your content. I don't care about your resume. Your videos should speak for themselves. As far as Dave is concerned, Youtube is always pushing his videos. In one of his videos, he was supposedly exploring the Windows source code. I am a Linux developer. I'm not going anywhere near Windows source code. Bad Youtube algorithm, I guess. The whole Windows ecosystem constantly puts a bad taste in my mouth. It is everywhere, and we're constantly reminded of how bad it is. And Microsoft blames the EU for Windows update being garbage. That was rich. Disclaimer: I hold Microsoft stock in my 401K. No way to exclude it.


A past like that makes creators just more authentic in my book. People aren't always nice and playing by the rules , especially people that aren't boring. Also... yes, if somebody does something horrible currently, of course it needs to be brought to the attention of the law. Once the courts are dealing with it, no longer the audience's business.


reupload (i was the first comment now i am not sad)

@@amenbutcool you see things only the YouTube client wants you to see.

@@maxlel4080 what i really mean is that i commented on the last video whenever it was gonna premiere and no one else commented so yea


yo bro andrew i hope you are fine, can you make a tutorial on how to setup vmware? also can you try returning the old series back? where you infect a pc with so many viruses then clean it


because some minor inaccuracies make no difference in Dave plummer authoring these applications? softwareonline? he is still responsible for this. it's dishonest.


oh, reupload, but basically I still feel bad for Dave... 😞

Don't feel bad for a millionaire. Maybe he's truly a decent guy looking to help other autistic people, or maybe he's just looking to top up the bank account. I'm trying not to hate the player and keep an open mind. I haven't bought his book or anything tho.

Oh no way David Mounder!!

Really sorry about the news... I'm sure he's a changed man now

I feel bad for the millions of customers that were scammed into buying software that did nothing of value for many millions of dollars.  I do not feel bad for Dave Plummer, the man that orchestrated the scam and profited handsomely from unethical, dishonest practices.

Does he feel bad for himself? This is the question you should ask yourself before feeling bad for him. If you don’t have a clear answer to that question, then how you feel about it is up to you.


Digging up 18 year old dirt on people is shameful, in my opinion. People change, the lawsuit has been concluded and the fines paid, so there's no point in this public attack, other than to try and profit off clicks because it's about a well-known person. I can fully understand why Dave doesn't want to discuss two decades old mistakes with you, since you are essentially a random nobody and have no increased right or privilege to know about his past actions.

It is interesting how scammers are empathetic for other scammers.


I dont care who dave plummer was, i care about who he is.  He is a great resource and insight into IT and corporate subjects from the heyday of windows

Yea, like now take advantage of his autism to get views?


I don't see anything in this video that would support the claim / clickbait that he "scammed millions".


So what is the point to warm all this 20 years later back up? I mean I think I know why you are doing this, but....?


I thought you are a chinese or indian youtuber but you broke it by you speaking english AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


so he is the one that started all these scam of putting bogus software on your pc to scam you out of your money, lol. these pop ups that force you to call a number that is a scammer call center. they use similar practice like this!


How ironic. The title of this video portrays Dave as a scammer, but at 16:30 you admitted the software is not legally a scam. Who's the scammer now?

Now? Probably no one. Dave in 2006 used all the best tricks of a scammer: dark patterns, buttons that don't behave normally, and negative affirmation on upsells/attachments.

You realize something can be legal <b>and</b> a scam. It's not something mutually exclusive.

You realize something can be legal *and* a scam. It's not something mutually exclusive.

@@sdc319 Yet we don't pitchfork YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, why? Because he's autistic?

@@peter0x444 dam bro got ratioed so hard, 12 likes to 3 likes

@@zeenxdownz But he's wrong. If it's legal then it's not a scam. Thus this is a defamatory video.

@@𰻝 it isn't legal that's why it was taken down


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People change, and people are allowed to change. Leave the guy alone. Posting this is not a classy or graceful move.

Guess I'm gonna scam a bunch of old ladies and be a changed man after I get caught and lie about it... Power move

@@Endermanch 100% agree. Him not addressing the past and actively avoiding it means he believes it will harm him to be truthful. it won't just say that you did it and how you improved yourself after.

Yes, people change and are allowed to change. However, this isn't something that can be ignored or downplayed.

@@deltara2106 it wasn't ignored. There was a case, it ran, the audit was then clean. Done & done. He's obviously not proud, but it's not a good use of resources to drag people down over ancient things.

@@LeonDerczynski dave's fan boy detected

@@LeonDerczynski Not publicly making a statement on the matter as well as blocking people making statements, does not really show good etiquette. All he really needed to do was make a simple statement explaining what happened, apologize, and move on. The longer he doesn't make a statement, the worse he'll look. However, I do agree dragging down people over old mistakes is never okay, unless the person hasn't changed.

@@deltara2106 Dave got his and he could care less.


dave  PLUMMER DElleted    old youtube   VIDeo@!!!!!

Enderman remade it to fix up some mistakes


enderman fell off 500 views in 5 minutes


Hmm. Least you were upfront about poorly researched and verified content. I’m not watching this again though. lol


Oh, look...Another nobody desperately trying to scam 15 minutes of fame.


And yet Enderman having sex with a pumpkin channel cannot stop the subscriber count from increasing further on Dave's channel.


They only went after Dave because he’s the one with money. You know he tried his best. Who are y’all to jack the guy up he’s great.


I dunno. I don't see anything wrong with selling software that doesn't work, malware, or even repurposed as malware...mostly because code is code, and we're in the age of running untrusted code on all of our devices anyways. I'd rather blame public education, providers of educational materials, and politicians about the overall lack of knowledge and complete avoidance at teaching students about information, software, and hardware. These things are opaque for some reason, and they shouldn't be...but not enough people really care, because of the trade-off of "convenience".

@@arizvisa um, given how software was distributed at the time (2006), thid would be like buying a game and having it infect you with malware.

But hey, code is code, right?

@@MatthewCobalt Malware is such a vague term.. even moreso if code is naturally opaque because of its complexity. What's the difference between game DRMs and malware, or the difference between buggy code and vulnerable code? Screenshots taken by a program that you're aware of, or screenshots taken by the actual corporate owner of the device? What about uninstallers that mistakenly delete the wrong things, or installers that include components that weaken the platform unintentionally to attacks? Are accidents, that have the same effect as malware, considered non-malicious? I believe the answer to all of these (and more) is developer  intent, which can be variable depending on context and ownership (another problem, entirely). Hence code is code.. information, like speech, can be put into context or taken out of context. Perhaps, you can put identification of intent to a vote, based on society's perceptions of some logic (using it to ostracize said dever), but that requires universal awareness, and is likely unenforceable as a result. Plus, distinguishing code that does less than it promises, or more than it claims is likely not even possible without paying a cost that is more expensive than the cost of creating it, and there's no guarantees that said research would even be successful.

You could use that argument for almost anything. Is it okay to dilute baby formula with melamine because we can blame public education? If parents cared more they can buy the name brands. And no, this is a despicable argument I bitterly disagree with, but comparable to yours. We are all stupid about something; luckily courts exist in part to protect the ignorant.


Use bitdefender against one of the best viruses. !?!?!?!?


not to play this down or anything, but thats how so many programs do. like avira antivir and kaspersky. their whole business relies on being bundled with the computer and scare tactics.

"oh no, your subscription expired, better give us more money or all those hackers gonna hack your computer."
"what? uninstall? but have you tried our password manager? at least tell us why. please? want a cookie and 2 months for only 1$? give your credit card info to the dancing moose"

proprietary software bad.


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There was a joke/theory in the beginning of the 2000'ths that the viruses were secretly written and distributed by big companies such as Microsoft and this is why there were so many viruses (and almost nothing on Linux)....


I had bad luck to remember thise softwares. Registry Cleaner have been not only scam but harmfull and in many instances when it fix the windows many legit apps will stop working. Internet Shield was malware pure nasty malware. MemTurbo was pure scam without any improvement or whatsoever.


Simply stipulating to being responsible for registry cleaner is enough to stain his soul for eternity. Slimy scumbag stuff that dances directly on the line of legality. That is far removed from "ethical" or "good" in my books.