I have had this theory about emotions in MLP for a long time and I'm so glad to see others explore it. Though I see it more as the emotions becoming the parasite instead of being used by one.

@ Sawtooth Waves I like to think of Evil Cadence as Heartbreaker

To be fair, it is explained in the Ponyville Mysteries book that Nightmare Moon was created by the Helm of Shadows, which is her helmet. This helmet was manifested by Luna’s negative emotions as well as the negative emotions of other ponies drawn in whenever Luna was in the dream realm. It is also known that the Helm can be possessed by others and the magic will be enhanced by those negative emotions

Hey  did you know that My Little Pony make your mind put a new videos and and now there’s a hologram of twilight sparkle maybe you should check that out and then put a video about it it’s so cool and I’m wondering if this was 2000 moons ago and she put it the crystals  you were right

Well, I have mentioned long ago the exact same theory that Nightmare Moon was actually the Shadow of Pony infecting Luna from Sombra, I believe also in a Sawtooth's video. I even planned to write a story about it, but never got to.


The fact Tia said "and you will never exist *again*" has often been theorized to imply that Daybreaker has existed before, but personally I don't put much stock in it. The parasite theory is an interesting angle, though it's based on the comics which are dubiously canon; I would consider them a tertiary source at best

There was a segment in the Diary of the 2 sisters where it was said Celestia turned into fire against a dragon when she got mad, maybe that was Daybreaker?

or maybe she's saying that she wouldn't exist ever again by   eradicating her  existing now.. idk

Why are all this comments soo long its getting annoying (not trying to be rude)

OR MAYBE she meant existing as being there like in a dream. Hmm!?

@HachiOnnaMasashige🎤 No, it's meant to be two sentences. There just might be some related ideas between them.

Oh, when you say”stock in it”

There’s supposed to be a

,

Instead of “.”

Because the whole meaning can be a very long one

Why would 'Tia and Starlight dream about the same theoretical superpowered evil form tho? It only makes sense if Starlight has read or heard about it somewhere and her subconscious is manifesting a memory of that tale

I don't think Daybreaker has existed, but Luna knew Daybreaker's name without being told it, implying that Celestia has dreamt about the possibility before.

The parasite theory + this make sense. The parasite may have took the form of Daybreaker and invaded Celestia’s dreams after she banished Luna, like an inner demon. It would taunt Celestia and try to corrupt her.

That’s why in that episode Celestia clearly shows signs of being traumatized when seeing Daybreaker, and couldn’t stand up against her without Luna’s help.


When the world needed them most, they returned

The Sawtooth has came back from the grave

@Markereeni CH they've had it in their YouTube bio that they were nonbinary

@Markereeni CH yes. Sawtooth waves uses they/them pronouns!


Finally
It’s been so long, I thought something bad happened to ya, Sawtooth. Luckily my fears were proven wrong when I saw your channel image change

Also, her evil form has been suspected to be called Heartbreaker

Fun Fact: sawtooth posts only 1 time every single month, or 2 months.

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Jealousy and the longing for acceptance is the root cause for nightmare forms. That's been the pattern for every single pony who's had it. Stygian wanted acceptance and attention from the pillars. Luna wanted attention and love from her subjects. Sci-twi wanted acceptance in the Friendship game EQ series or whatever. Juniper from the Starlight EQ episode wanted acceptance in the theater. Sombra and Daybreaker don't have any backstories that are canon, but it's possible to assume the same. That's just my theory. :)

What about Gloriosa Daisy? Also, In SciTwi's case it was mostly the other students who were jealous of her, and treated her badly because of that, and because they were super competitive. So she wanted to leave to an independent study program and just do Science by herself. Her nightmare for is an extreme version of that, one whose "independent study program" consists of ripping the fabric of reality apart to learn more about it.


Sawtooth is back! Hopefully they keep on creating great content!

@Markereeni CH Sawtooth said that they use they/them for their pronouns

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𝘚𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘭𝘦𝘴


Its great to have you back Sawtooth! We missed you


Chrysalis feels almost a bit too opposite of Cadence. She may not be Cadence's evil counterpart but maybe her reflection. Like maybe once Cadence was born, Chrissy was too? Kinda like your theory about Discord and the Spirit of Harmony. That's another reason why I love evil sides to characters, they're not only fun but just have so many possibilities.


Yes! it's always a real treat to see a video from you Sawtooth! thank you so much for brightning our day with your fantastic content man! and i too have often wondered what it would've been like if there was ever a G4 episode that showed us what Cadence would look like if she ever turned evil.

If Cadence did turn evil she would probably look as badass as Daybreaker did!


Your theories are always so well constructed! I’ll never get tired of your vids Sawtooth!


Glad you’re back! I’ve been wanting to make this comment for a while- what happened to the crystal ponies in gen 5? Does the crystal empire still exist? I think it’d be cool if you could make a theory on this!


for a good story that delves into the question of  "How could our Celestia become daybreaker" i would definitely recommend  'I, Daybreaker' by Rune Soldier!


Back when Stygian and Pony of Shadows was first revealed, I had a theory that maybe Pony of Shadows was the "core" of the Nightmare. When Stygian along with Pillars got banished into the void, part of the Shadow remained and found another host, Luna. Growing inside her slowly, and since it was just small portion of the Shadow, it had no form of it's own, simply transforming Luna into Nightmare Moon.


Namesless just loves appearing in sawtooths videos gotta love him


2:23 If emotions are magical then this implies Equestria works off of a dualistic, or possibly idealistic, framework


Fun fact, in my fan fiction, The Pony of Shadows was actually a normal pony that was possessed by a nightmare force. Literally the exact same thing they came up with here. Complete coincidence since my story was written back in April of 2022😅. The nightmare force was a creation of Grogar btw, since the pony it infected (Ranthi), later the Pony of Shadows existed back during the time of Tambelon, and that’s how his body withered away, before finding Stygian as its new host. I also gave the Pony of Shadows a redemption arc😉.


We never see cadence’s evil form but I wonder how would’ve been she would’ve been the newest villain

Wait, Cadence was pink, Opaline is a darker pink... WAIT... But the mane...
Hold up...

GLIMMY NO!

Wait, Cadence was pink, Opaline is a darker pink... WAIT... But the mane...
Hold up...

*GLIMMY NO!*


I had a blast with this as always. Can't wait until we can do it again!

what if the Nightmare force become physical or a twisted dream force, light/darkness have no mortality so if your positive emotion get out of control it cause your like negative emotion fog up your realizing. someone could have good intention but do terrible things because can't tell what's right and wrong?


Missed ya Sawtooth, welcome back! But you should give the comics a read, there's a whole lot your missing. Including the evil Cadance.


It’s good to see you back <3<br>The theory is an interesting one, it would be cool to see other forms of ponies and creatures corrupted ngl, you could make some amazing designs from it.

It’s good to see you back <3
The theory is an interesting one, it would be cool to see other forms of ponies and creatures corrupted ngl, you could make some amazing designs from it.


I have a huge theory that the corruption has already happened to another Alicorn: Flurry Heart. Nightmare's design and Luna's design are really close to one another, so Opaline's and Flurry Heart's being relatively close to one another too makes me believe that our little baby filly has grown up and gotten corrupted.


Maybe Opaline used to be a former student of Twilight Sparkle, until THAT darkness found her and corrupted her to betray Twilight and steal all of the magic in Equestria. But, you're right, Sawtooth. Sunny Starscout could also be corrupted by that darkness as well, all because of Opaline.


I have a theory about alicorns thanks to opaline from g5. The way she wants power. Makes me think what if alicorns from before celestia and luna were all power hungry which lead to them fighting over power. Which lead to all of them going extinct.


Its something to mention that also when Twilight faced her 'biggest fear' against sombra in the 'beginning of the end' celestia turned into daybreaker in her fears. Daybreaker seems to roam around in dreams and fears, perhaps waiting to come out.


Regarding emotions being magical in Equestria, consider the Kirin / Nirik situation as well. Never get them mad lol. Also there is an old brony animation called the fall of the crystal empire, which shows that Sombra and Luna both know about the nightmare thing, and he predicted it would engulf her eventually. It did infect him as well. But even he was confused as to what Luna really had become.


Hi sawtooth! We missed you so much! Thank you for another masterpiece😁 come back or take a break at anytime.


This was very interesting.<br>Also, I sort of forgot that other dimensions could have slightly different, or entirely different kinds of magic than others. Awesome video to be the first one in so long and I look forward to future theories and even remixes/possible original songs.

This was very interesting.
Also, I sort of forgot that other dimensions could have slightly different, or entirely different kinds of magic than others. Awesome video to be the first one in so long and I look forward to future theories and even remixes/possible original songs.


hi sawtooth, just wanted to let you know i've had a pretty crappy day and seeing you uplaod for the first time in a while made me really smile


Dude. I’m trying to write a script for an Earthbound-style RPG but for MLP, and I’ve been trying to find how Luna <b>actually</b> turned into NM beyond the “she was jealous of Celestia” and stuffs in the canon and this video couldn’t be more well-timed :D

Dude. I’m trying to write a script for an Earthbound-style RPG but for MLP, and I’ve been trying to find how Luna *actually* turned into NM beyond the “she was jealous of Celestia” and stuffs in the canon and this video couldn’t be more well-timed :D


Wait, Sawtooth is still making videos? Man, he still has a ton of dedication even after the series ended. Thanks for the content man!


the implication of discord possibly being able to be taken over by the nightmare force is bone chilling

@Sawtooth Waves im not sure how I'd imagine what that could look like, maybe having a more demonic like look or maybe just darker colors and some spiky bits. Gives me the urge to look for fanfictions like that. Your video gave me inspiration for a story~ keep up the great work!


Hey Sawtooth! I'm thrilled that you're back! You were right about your theory in G5. I wondered if you have been gone because you are working on G5 to make your theory right!


I’ve always wondered about this for so long, I always kind of veiwed what Luna and co. went through as like “Akumatization” from miraculous ladybug, (it feeds on negative emotions and gives them a more powerful form) and after watching this, this theory makes it make so much more sense and perfectly explains my theory/veiw, in a way that fits into the lore of this show!


I personally would recommend the story “I Daybreaker” it’s a pre cannon fanfic that implies that Daybreaker always exists in Celestia’s mind but she keeps her in line

https://youtu.be/ooBK8SfN9U0


Glad to see you're back, Sawtooth! I love this theory, it's really interesting how you and The Nameless One explained it. Keep up the great work!!!

𝘚𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘺 𝘚𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘭𝘦𝘴


We appreciate you using your time to make us happy and thank you for posting this one we have been craving this for ages 😫


I absolutely love this idea of a parasite, it connects things together so well


Finally! A brand new theory! This was so cool! Perhaps you could even do a qna on theory ideas from time to time


This idea has been floating around my head for a bit-

Are magical abilities and weight connected?
Allow me to explain.

Let's say star swirl tried to lift an apple tree.
And an ordinary Pony tried to lift an apple tree.

Since star swirl is more magically talented, would he find lifting the tree easier?
Or do magic and weight have no relation and both unicorns would struggle the same amount despite magical differences?

Does age have anything to do with it?
We already know that young unicorns struggle to lift heavy things with their magic because they haven't used it much before. (Ex: When sweetie bell is struggling to lift the broom with her magic, and spike picks it up with ease. <Twilight Time>)


FIANLLY A NEW THEORY I WAS GOING INSANE!!!!!!


The excitement when hearing a shadow sawtooth is just, so relatable. Who wouldn't want to know if there was an evil version of themselves?


Great to see you again Sawtooth. Welcome back


damn! we all missed ya!! so glad you returned on spooky season


Speaking of Nightmare Moon, how do y'all feel about Nightmare Night still being a thing in Gen 5 and Nightmare Moon herself being referenced by Sunny?


A weird simplification of my personal theory is that when there’s to much build up of a negative emotion, a pony can turn into something similar to Nightmare Moon or King Sombra


Finally someone who still talks about Cadance! I love her! 💙


Your videos are always so well thought out and interesting! Was super happy when I got the notification for this video :)


she’s back! yes!<br>this theory is so interesting.  the sombra and nightmare moon theory reminds me of “fall of the crystal empire”.

she’s back! yes!
this theory is so interesting.  the sombra and nightmare moon theory reminds me of “fall of the crystal empire”.


I’m so excited to watch this video hope ur doing good sawtooth❤


It’s an interesting thought to say the least…
The idea that it’s a parasite that corrupts a pony who displays a strong form of negative emotion explains some points…
And the idea that this Nightmare form dates further back before Luna is even more interesting…
Theory that’s probably far fetched would be one of my own : The Nightmare Parasite comes from a Nightmaric Spawn of the past…
Meaning that somewhere, there’s probably a Nightmaric Spwan creating more Nightmare Parasites to take control of other Alicorns, Unicorns, Pegasy and Earth Ponies as well as other creatures like Griffins, Yaks and Changelings…
Would love to see more theories like this Sawtooth…
10/10 theory…


I had made an evil version of Cadence before season 8 was released called Rageance. I was very proud of the name!


Man, i felt like something was missing for the past three months and i know what it was. I personally think this theory's spot on and there might be instances in show that suggests the presence of the natural counterpart of this "nightmare force". If we look across all nine season, the nightmare force's parasite isn't the only magical entity that feeds on emotions and feelings to get stronger: I think the spirit of Harmony is its direct opposite. Both of them manifest with a form that closely matches the last entity that utilized their powers (for the spirit of harmony it was Sparkly Sparkle), both of them get stronger with emotion (As shown by the name six using the power of harmony with or without the elements), both of them can work as independent entities, both of them need to be linked to someone to unleash their full potential and both of them can cause transformations (think about the rainbow power forms). The only real difference is the approach: while the nightmare force acts more like a parasite with negative emotions, like sawtooth said, the spirit of harmony seems to create a symbiotic relationship between itself and whoever uses its power using their positive emotions. For all we know, every type of specialized magic could have a force of its own. Do you think this might be it?


You know, I believe Alicorns being immortal has finally been confirmed when Opaline claimed to be immortal in one of the Netflix episodes!!!


I’m so glad you are back to create more amazing theory ❤


a c h o o

Also I LOVE the gorgeous accessories you always wear!

*a c h o o*

Also I LOVE the gorgeous accessories you always wear!


Also, did you know you were right about the Earth Ponies getting magic in G5?!


Another thing to back up this theory: I might be remembering this wrong, but in the Nightmare Rarity comics, creatures on the moon included Luna, turning her into Nightmare Moon by fueling her insecurities, and did the same with Rarity. They might have been the source of the parasite?


I love when we have a "the Nameless One" crossover.


Hey, Sawtooth! I doubt you'll find this comment, but I just wanted to say that you were the main reason- (or, rather, MANE reason) my childhood was so great! You're videos are captivating, and really funny. In all seriousness, though, thanks for making me smile, and thanks for helping me through my boredom, dark moments, ect. You mean a lot to me.<br>Also, bows look great on you! You look fantastic with little hair accessories :D

Hey, Sawtooth! I doubt you'll find this comment, but I just wanted to say that you were the main reason- (or, rather, MANE reason) my childhood was so great! You're videos are captivating, and really funny. In all seriousness, though, thanks for making me smile, and thanks for helping me through my boredom, dark moments, ect. You mean a lot to me.
Also, bows look great on you! You look fantastic with little hair accessories :D


It's so good to see a Sawtooth video again. ❤
I really enjoyed this. I found it really very interesting. I'd love to see the universe wherein Cadance was corrupted. A pony Midnight Sparkle would be so interesting to see. I want to read the comic I presume in which Celestia and Luna are pupils of the Pony of Shadows.
Amazing video, such an interesting theory.  ❤❤


I love your videos so much! They do such a good job connecting the mlp universe together and I love how it's all written as if you live in equestria!


Sawtooth! Great to finally have you back! And that too with grand theories as usual!


To add to this theory, the Journal of the Two Sisters does seem to have a Daybreaker moment when Celestia gets angry. It does contradict the canon world, but it does show another world where Daybreaker is real.


An interesting theory ! Though, I may have an idea on how sombra got infected... In a previous video, when you talked about sombra being an ex-alicorn, you had brought the idea of starswirl being the one to send him away, but what if he wasn't alone? The pillars existance was hidden by him (funnily enough, one reason which can be imagined for it would be stygian's protection, since he is the weaker member and would probably get targeted as their founder AND strategist) so it wouldn't be so surprising that the tale wouldn't be known (explaining why we only learn about sombra's link with the cristal empire). And if the shadow force is a parasitic force, it would be logical that there is an incubation period. So here is what I imagine may have happened :

The pillars hear tales of voices and a possible dangerous creature rooming around the hollow shades, a forest near the foal montain and the famous ponhenge. Deciding to get a look there for a possible monster (and studying ponhenge), they begin travelling. After a fair time of walking, in the forest and not seeing any trace of anything worthwhile, they stop by a well to get some water before continuing the journey. While his most powerful comrade check out for possible timborwolves or other creatures of the wood, Stygian is making camp and unknowingly get contamined by the water.

Time passes while the group lives more adventures until they hear of the coup against the alicorn sisters. Rushing back, they find themselves having a difficult time against the newly alicorned, Stygian proposes, since they are having trouble fighting him with his newfound power, to take that power away from him as happened to the famous grogar. The plan is executed and works, but, what they don't realize when they send Sombra far from equestria, expecting him to never be able to return with his original unicorn abilities, is that while he lost a considerable amount of power, he got a new one growing within each day that passes...
Just as one is growing inside their tactician.

Finally, the call of the shadow for more power become to strong to Stygian. And he decide to try a crazy plan as they are close to Ponhenge once again, cloning his friends artifacts. After all, Starswirl always talks about wanting to do experiments on them and not daring of fear to damage them. And Stygian knows the perfect spell ! Usually used to clone far less powerful artifact like magical scrolls, yes, but even when it is stopped or fails, it doesn't damage the original. And while he needs more power, Ponhenge is known for assuring a nice magical boost at this season. He knows he should talk to them about it, but would they really not listen to him if they catch him? And talking to them would take time, between parties for saving towns, recovering for battles and training, would he manage to find a time to talk BEFORE the season passes? And how grateful would they be when they see the result if they don't expect anything.

But nothing goes as planned, when they catch him, they don't listen to his plea and he find himself running away. Before realizing it, his hooves brings him to the same well he drank from so long ago. But, something strange happens, he feels like... attracted to it. A voice comes from the well.

Stygian should have known to never listen to mysterious voice but it listened to him when even his so-called friends didn't so... Wouldn't it be impolite to not do so?

(There is like, a lot of thing I could add about this, but I kinda went "story-mode" for a minute and don't want this comment to be even longer x'DDD I also kinda have an idea about what the well of shades is and when/where it comes from... But I already talked to much I feel x'DD)


I actually disagree with the idea that there's a parasite involved at all (in the show at least; there is one in the comics but those tend to contradict canon so I'm not completely incorporating them as a source).

One of my major reasons is that Sunset Shimmer, Sci-Twi, and Gloriosa Daisy were all corrupted by magic without there being any indication that any sort of Nightmare Force entered the human world. Beyond that though, I think the show's given us enough information about the phenomenon that shows a parasite wouldn't even be needed for the transformation to occur.

We already know that magic is channeled by the caster's emotions and intentions (hence the whole "friendship is magic" premise), and Starlight's bottle experiment proved that emotions have magical capabilities that can overpower ponies' normal thinking. Therefore, it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario where powerful emotions enhance powerful magic, which is strong enough to double back and strengthen those aforementioned emotions, creating a feedback loop that makes someone incredibly powerful, but so consumed by whatever feelings caused the situation that they do things they'd never be okay with otherwise. (Think of it like when speakers are loud enough that the sounds picked up by the microphone; the same sound goes into the microphone and out the speakers over and over again until it becomes a loud hum that drowns out everything else).

Think about the earlier-mentioned events, as well as Luna's. All of them had a very similar set of circumstances; someone had strong negative emotions and intentions (e.g. Gloriosa being determined to save Camp Everfree no matter the risks), then they activated powerful magic (e.g. Sunset putting on the Element of Magic, Luna raising the moon over the sun), then they transformed into a caricature of the aforementioned emotions and goals (e.g. Sci-Twi's desire to take magic for knowledge's sake it becoming greed for magic in general).

It seems to me that their powerful emotions became powerful magic, which amplified those emotions, which transformed them into their villainous counterparts. No third party required.


Glad your back Sawtooth!Happy Halloween!


Could hopeless magic be a more harmless branch of that kind of magic?


The sight of Nameless flipping through universes like a deck of cards is just amusing to me.


For the evil forms, its cool that they dont become the opposite of themselves, they become a more extreme and unbalanced
-The loving warmth of the sun becomes a scathing heat of destruction
-The cool watchful comfort of the moon becomes a nightmare

As for the other 2, twilight would likely become magic obsessed like midnight sparkle.
Cadence though, the extreme unbalanced form of love is lust, so i think its obv why no evil form of cadence have ever been canonized lol


I have a crazy theory as well, that maybe the sirens are part of the Nightmare force--Idk if it's just the species but I was re-watching the Rainbow Rocks movie and the sirens had similar features to what the Nightmare Force seems to have. When the sirens transform into their equestrian-human form, they gain the same red eyes commonly associated with the Nightmare Force. On top of that, they also feed off the emotions of others and use them for energy to make themselves stronger. While they don't retain the sharp teeth feature as a human, they do in their fully equestrian form. The only thing they don't have in at least one of their forms is the ability to turn into a shadow.

Sorry for the long paragraph that could be wrong- Idk just a theory


Now you made me want to see more full power corrupted characters in the show, or at least in comics, which might never happen from now on


I love the little slapstick with the nameless and sawtooth where he keeps floating away and nameless keeping him in place<br>Super funny and cute

I love the little slapstick with the nameless and sawtooth where he keeps floating away and nameless keeping him in place
Super funny and cute


I’ve had this question about cadence for a long time, because every princess has had some kind of evil form EXCEPT for cadence!


Ayeee the one and only has came back!! Sawtooth you’re the best theory brony I watch.

I love your videos and I can’t wait to watch this one!


I’m wondering if the thing that would make Celestia snap is exactly what we saw in that same episode. We see how much stress she goes through and the frustration to maintain a perfect image, what if one day she got fed up with that perfect image and snapped, creating Daybreaker. Her emotions overwhelm her, dark thoughts are all that run through her mind, anger, frustration, rage, it all clouds together and she just wants to watch the world burn. Emotions can be spread as well, so she could affect other people’s moods as well, just like what happened with Starlight.


Such a good video! I missed your theories a lot! I hope that you can post more!


I suspected the Shadow Stygian found was an Element of Disharmony as it had similar properties to the Alicorn Amulet, Juniper's Mirror, and the Inspiration Manifestation spell tome (such as the magic bonding to the host in such a way that only the host could separate themselves from it, the user becoming more corrupted by the magic as time went on, etc...)<br>If the Shadow was also a nightmare force, that would suggest the other Elements/artifacts might have been as well. Perhaps they were all created by the same entity, or maybe even the magic that powers them are nightmares forces. That's not too hard to imagine, actually -- a malevolent creature's consciousness trapped inside a magical artifact that calls out and latches on to anyone who gets close.

I suspected the Shadow Stygian found was an Element of Disharmony as it had similar properties to the Alicorn Amulet, Juniper's Mirror, and the Inspiration Manifestation spell tome (such as the magic bonding to the host in such a way that only the host could separate themselves from it, the user becoming more corrupted by the magic as time went on, etc...)
If the Shadow was also a nightmare force, that would suggest the other Elements/artifacts might have been as well. Perhaps they were all created by the same entity, or maybe even the magic that powers them are nightmares forces. That's not too hard to imagine, actually -- a malevolent creature's consciousness trapped inside a magical artifact that calls out and latches on to anyone who gets close.


I love how sawtooth just floats around in the void for a whole video


This also raises what twilights possible nightmare form would be! And what about the human realm? We know transformations are possible, so could there have been a "nightmare" enemy sunset and the others had to face?


Welcome back to YouTube can’t wait to see what cool theories, songs and remixes you make in the future. Hoof to heart.


It's been 2 months since we have seen you're daily videos Sawtooth glade you're okay welcome back ❤❤🔥🔥


Now I <b>need</b> to know about an evil sawtooth! That would be SO cool!

Now I *need* to know about an evil sawtooth! That would be SO cool!


Welcome back Sawtooth I was getting worried.Also the nightmare force seems difficult to tackle without so help from someone you care for the most☺


So glad to see another one of our videos Sawtooth ❤


gosh i wish we could've canonically gotten more lore on luna's transformation; i feel like mlp awakened my love for "dark sides" lmao

also, how cool would it be if we'd gotten some sort of gen 4 special where all 3 alicorns get corrupted?? considering all-alicorn-magic twilight could stand up to tirek with ALL of equestria's magic in him, that would've been some cool stakes to explore 👀


If I remember correctly when Twilight faced her greatest fear against Sombra. She saw Luna turn into Nightmare Moon and Celestia into Daybreaker


I had a theory a while ago about Sombra, here's how it goes: notice the shape of his horn and mistmane's, both very similar. Then look how they booth have the flowy manes, similar. I theorized that Mistmane and Sombra were siblings but then Sombra then came corrupt in the same way Luna did, that way it also works with your theory. basically, msitmane is well loved among ponies, but sombra becomes jealous. His emotions then take him over and becomes what he is today.


For some reason im sure evil Casence would've been called something like "Heartstomper" or maybe "Odio la Cadenza"


So good to see you back i love the theories.


Super amazing video really great job to both of you


5:05 Or since Luna is an Alicorn, maybe she had more strength / willpower to resist the parasite from fully taking over, and turning her into similar form as Pony of Shadows ?


Remember, the comics are absolutely cannon. Always should be, always will be.


To be honest I'm with the nameless one on this it's possible that the other two could've been possessed by the nightmare force and some outcomes were worse while others were good


This would actually explain why cozy glow wanted to use friendship as a source of power. If negative emotions like jealousy,rage have power, then positive emotions probably do too. Although I still don’t understand why she wanted to take all the magic into another realm (and why the artifacts from the 6 Creatures can even open a portal to another realm)


Yay a new one of these! Was wondering about this too before :)


Oddly enough, Chrysalis already functions as a nightmare form of Cadence, <br>Being a toxic love vacuum instead of sharing it.

Oddly enough, Chrysalis already functions as a nightmare form of Cadence,
Being a toxic love vacuum instead of sharing it.


I haven’t been watching the G5 series but to keep up with the lore I read the wikia, and there’s more Alicorn lore thanks to Opaline claiming she’s a Fire Alicorn. Did Alicorns have elemental associations? Twilight Sparkle and Celestia also have an association with fire to some extent, being linked to the stars and the sun respectively. Luna, Cadence, and Flurry Heart seem more to be associated with cold, like the moon, the crystal heart, and the snow of the Crystal Empire’s geographical location. Is there something more to this? Hot and Cold being part of Alicorn physiology and magical association?


Considering she's the alicorn of love, I have a feeling her evil form might be a bit R-Rated. 😅


I noticed when looking through some already cannon and or made 'Nightmare versions' including Midnight Sparkle, evil sunset shimmer, Sombra, and Daybreaker/Nightmare moon it really got me thinking... Is Queen Chrysalis one? And if a changeling somehow got the parasite would they be able to control the shapeshifting aspects of their changeling power since the parasite can feed and grow power? it would make sense that it would constantly be changing... Or maybe it is just a normal unreformed changeling...


Very interesting! I never thought of this before!


Can you make some theories about Opaline's backstory and how she became how she is today?


Finally, another theory, I thought something happened to you 🙌🏼 Welcome back Sawtooth


who knew a show about happy pony friends could have such deep lore


I like the Opaline is connected in part to the Nightmare Force theory, especially as she's like a leech to Misty.


Unicorn/Alicorn magic may work like that or maybe it works in a very similar way as Jedi Force works.  As in if the magical pony is balanced maybe they will maintain their normal form or if they start leaning towards the "dark side" of magic then if their appearance doesn't change (like how Nightmare Moon, Daybreaker or Sombra did) then at the very least their personality and how their magic works may change (like how stygian did when he became the pony of shadows or how Trixie did when she wore the alicorn amulet).

Starlight Glimmer, however is what's called an "exception" because she seemed like she was born with a magic talent that is very similar to Discords (as in to be able to manipulate everything with their own free will just like how an Arcanist can).


I know you probably wont see this, but your videos and music make my day. Love your content!


Since Sci-Twi became Midnight Sparkle, it also proves The Nightmare Force can also possess humans, meaning they've found their way through the portal(s) to the human world and, since Sci-Twi became possessed by one, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of The Nightmare Force are/were hanging around Crystal Prep.

During Cinch's reign of the school there would've been ample negative energy around there for them to feed off of


Sawtooth, the theory crafting Master!

Nightmare Moon, Day Breaker, Nightmare Sparkle, Sombra have always been a loose thread of curiosity and wonder. So many Fanfictions have spawned as a result, and their are a few connections between all of them. Emotions are definitely part of the process, that is the one constant. But the NATURE of their transformations are all different, which makes people wonder. Plus if "Friendship is Magic", it makes sense that Emotions would be magical or at least have power of some kind. Hmmmm, maybe thats why the Changelings need emotions to feed on.

But hay, NYX (everyone's favorite reincarnated reformed Nightmare) exists as a result of this curiosity, so something positive came out of all of it.


Sawtooth is back! And with such amazing content again, I waited for so longgg!


I feel like we've seen something similar if not the same in equestria girls, Sunset said to Midnight Sparkle that evil magic was controlling her and then pulled her out like Princess Twilight did with the pony of shadows in the later seasons.


Hi sawtooth! Its great to have you back! I was wondering if you could talk about the message Twilight gave to G5?


Could the Wendigos have something to do with it? They feed off of strong negative emotions too! I absolutely LOVE this idea


Me: this better be worth waiting two month for,<br>Also me: WORTH EVERY SECOND OF WAITING!!!💜💜💜💜

Me: this better be worth waiting two month for,
Also me: WORTH EVERY SECOND OF WAITING!!!💜💜💜💜


This was a really great theory but it still makes me wonder why the “nightmare force” wants to turn ponies into “nightmare creatures”. This is just a theory but what if the “nightmare force” isn’t a just a magical parasite. What if it was a monster that was created by Grogar. Maybe he could have purposely created an “immortal” parasitic shadow monster without a body to make it harder to be destroyed or be detected while still being strong enough to possess ponies through their negative emotions and create more “monsters” to wreck havoc on Equestria.


He's back with another amazing theory!!! 🎉🎉🎉


I think Candace is called if she has a evil form that is "the love breaker"

~.｡*𝘾𝙧𝙮𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙡*｡.~


heartbreak cadence, she breaks couples apart instead of helping them get together; a reverse cupid if you will


Your Halloween pfp is excellent! What a fitting theory for the spooky month


An idea of evil Cadence that I have would be called Heartbreaker, but then the Elvis song 'Heartbreak Hotel' pops into my head and turns Cadence into a blues singer.


Something to add is that rainbow of light and rainbow of darkness both also respond to emotion, what of the rainbow of darkness is just a dead parasite that was so much negativity that it stayed in ponyland and the rainbow of light is just a purified version that got to much positive energy that it overloaded. Especially since MLP n'friends and MLP FIM are parallel to each other (heck what if there is a universe where Megan, Danny, or any of the ponies got possessed by that parasite.).


I feel like instead of <br>nightmare cadence her name should be “Heart Breaker”

I feel like instead of
nightmare cadence her name should be “Heart Breaker”


I love this celestial overseeing OC (Nameless One)


she is so cute in the thumbnail! i feel like the goth equivalent of the little girls that go "i want a pony!!!"


If there had never been a Daybreaker before, how did Luna know Daybreaker's name without anyone mentioning it.  I don't recall the exact wording, but Luna references "again" when talking about Daybreaker.


Holy moly thats a amazing theroy. And what if one of them was turnd evil and they survived till gen 5. What for problems will there be then. Love you theroys, keep it up🤩


YOU'RE BACK!, My favorite MLP content creator.


Sawtooth I'm SOOO HAPPY UR BACK! Can u pls continue this video? Maybe make it a series and maybe have yourself go into a different universe like before? Thank you!!!!!

Fun Activities and Entertainment with Sophia! :3


You have no idea how much I missed you. I got a little worried actually. Anyway, this video made me laugh really hard! It's great to have you back!


amazing video as always! i love u and ur vids sm sawtooth,, pls never stop making them!! broohoof from one nb pony to another ^ ^


was running out of mlp theories to watch so i was so happy when i saw this video


WELCOME BACK SAWTOOTH, WE MISSED YA!!!!! Also, did you see the comments we left on your latest cutie mark analysis? We were all so worried🤣😂 Also, I would've expected Nameless to say "Oh, hello, your back. Anyway,"


It’s been a hot minute since you last uploaded, but the wait was worth it! Today’s video was really good!


I'm starting to think you read my mind. I was on your profile yesterday night thinking "huh they haven't posted in ages, I hope they are doing okay" AND POOF! You appear lol, glad to know you're still here and hopefully doing well 💜


The funny part is that most of the things we're trying to crack here are theories that creators of the show probably didn't even think about


Another theory, the more my eyes open up. ❤


Cadance’s evil name would be Heartbreaker, change my mind ☺


I know it's scripted but you two interactions were so cute and funny. Like when you floated too close to him while you were asking multiple questions and his nose scrunched up slightly. Or when you kept floating away and he kept getting slightly more annoyed💀💀


Well, considering in the comics Rarity got posessed by the nightmare forces and turned into Nightmare Rarity, Cadence having a nightmare form isnt out of the question. Perhaps it just didn't find enough vulnerability in her to transform her into Nightmare Cadence/Heartbreaker, and decided to go after Rarity instead due to the nightmare forces remembering how she and the others vanquished Nightmare Moon all those years ago. Midnight Sparkle was just SciTwi corrupted by otherworldly, equestrian magic, similar to Sunset Satan. I highly doubt she was infected by the same forces that got Luna. Sombra too wasnt effected by the Nightmare forces, he is an umbrum who was corrupted by his own kinds power(i think.. If im wrong on this point, please correct me.) as he grew up under the guise of a unicorn foal in the crystal empire. Though I'll give credit, i do like the whole parasite theory. It isnt entirely debunked either, seeing how the nightmare forces in the comics preyed on Rarity and got her to transform into Nightmare Rarity.


It's understandable that anypony or creature could be controlled by the "parasite" but what if it's not one It could just be a strong emotion that controls them to the point they just turn or in stigein's case the emotion surrounds him like a puppet in some way I'm not totally sure and glad you're back love your theories


Very interesting, another alicorn way before the royal sisters? Stygian mentions that the pony of shadows was alive way back on eons


Oh, I actually have an entire story (kind of) about an evil Cadance! If you don't mind reading a stranger on the internet ramble, then, do take a listen. I have the entire story in a bit more detail on my DeviantArt, Hate-Love12, but this is a summary.

So, Alicorns. Celestia and Luna proves that they have a pretty long lifespan, and that brings into question- Shining Armor, who isn't an Alicorn (oh, and twilight's friends, but thats a different topic.) So it starts with Cadance offering Alicornhood to Shining Armor, but he refused as he didn't want to live longer than his parents. This turned into a problem when the time came for him to pass away. Cadance locked herself away to mourn in her room or something, causing Flurry Heart to take on the responsibilities in her place. What was weeks turned to months and everyone got concerned. Cadance in her grief went to scower the library for anything that could reverse death- even the forbidden sections. even consolations from family and friends weren't doing anything. finally though, she found it. dark magic is something she forbade herself to use, but her grief threw that rule out the window. she tried the spell, which the dark magic from the spell transformed her body into the nightmare form, and a shadow of shining armor appeared- but only for a few seconds before vanishing. the spell failed. as a last resort, she remembered king sombra and the (dubiously canon) tale of him and radiant hope, and brought him back. meanwhile, flurry heart noticed the crystal heart behaving strangely, being a bit faded in color and spinning slower than usual and it showed her a vision of cadance bringing back king sombra. she panicked, obviously, and sent a letter to twilight for help before confronting cadance herself. back with cadance, king sombra was hella confused when he was brought back, but seeing that cadance was now evil and full of dark magic, he put two and two together and realised that he can totally use her to his advantage. but then twilight and flurry heart came in and twilight told flurry to go rescue the crystal ponies while they fought. twilight used a handy-dandy spell she learned from luna- a spell to trap them in the dream world. ever since then, flurry was the new ruler of the crystal empire, and cadance's nightmare form became known as Arrhythmia.

and thats the end of the ramble! i don't have as much content of her as i would like, but y'know, it is what it is. thanks for reading if you did-


I missed you sawtooth waves I hope you keep uploading 👍🏻


Sawtooth said; let's make something for spooky season! :)


Make more videos! I love MLP and you make awesome theories!!


why do i just have the feeling nightmare cadance would be called heartbreaker and would drain ponies of their happiness and love and would leave equestria in complete anarchy


Hmm. I kinda got an idea about how magic can be good or evil. And how it might link to Pre G4, G4, then up to G5.

Emotions can link to how magic reacts. If there’s strong negative emotions, the magic can become bad and unstable. But if the pony were to calm down and be positive, the magic becomes stable. Think of this as this way.

The sirens only feed off negative emotions, which is linked to how magic works.

The windigos feed off strong negative emotions from the ponies, which makes the winter storms to become more powerful.

When the pillars disappeared, the Shadow pony exist because of the negative emotions that its host had.

Luna became Nightmare Moon due to negative emotions from thinking that ponies can’t enjoy the night.

Daybreaker could exist in the show if Celestia were to have strong negative emotions. If not, then Daybreaker can’t exist.

Opaline could be an Alicorn that became evil due to strong negative emotions, resulting in her becoming evil.

Plus when the G5 cast had glowing cutie marks, it was due to postive emotions.


I like this theory on emotions it kinda reminds me of sonic and the secrets rings  this is kinda spoilers but at the climax sonic absorbs the world rings of hatred sadness and rage thus giving him a darkspine form which kinda reminds me of these nightmare forms but for sonic it just boosts his power and makes him a bit more snarky and aggressive you could correlate it to the werehog a bit aswell


One thing I'd like to say is, a good video! I really liked it! But I wanted to voice a few opinions I had while watching it. I'll be making timestamps through this on the things I agree with and disagree with. Though, a lot of it is just me expressing my confusion, lol.

For starters at 2:47, this may be a bit nitpicky. Still, I'm a bit unsure as to how the scene wherein Starlight begins to bottle up her emotions is an example of a separate entity taking advantage of a pony's feelings to gain power. Unless the example being raised had more to do with the ponies Starlight's emotions were taking control of? If the latter is the case, feel free to ignore this part of the comment entirely. Wow, we're already off to a great start with this, huh?

Anyway, at 4:08 King Sombra is used as an example of a corrupted pony, I may be wrong, but I believe that Sawtooth's original universe is the original My Little Pony universe, and in the original universe, Sombra's origins were never stated.

I suppose my confusion stems from this. Sombra's origins were never stated in the original universe, but neither was the Nightmare Force ever stated to exist in the OG MLP universe, so how can they correlate with one another?

Especially since, in the universe where The Night Forces and Sombra DO co-exist(The comics), Sombra is simply an Umbrum. And I know that Nameless touches on that fact somewhat, but I'm still unsure as to how Sombra could potentially be affiliated with the Nightmare Forces in any way. Unless Sawtooth's universe is entirely independent of the OG universe that most are familiar with, which if that's the case...

Feel free to ignore this once again.

Next, at 4:51 The Pony of Shadows is mentioned and is regarded as a parasite, but I disagree with this.

Stygian himself admits that he freely gave into the Pony of Shadows:

"Welcome to the Well Of Shade, when you turned your backs on me, I discovered this place, The Darkness spoke to me of a power beyond any I could imagine, and I listened... The Shadow and I became one..." - A direct quote from Stygian/Pony of Shadows Pony Of Shadows Quote (Here's a link to the quote if anyone's curious)

The above seems to imply that Stygian was called to by the darkness, it offers him power, he accepts, and then he goes on the fulfill his vengeance. Something he did out of his own free will.

I think that it's likely that Stygian was being influenced by The Pony of Shadows but full-on controlled. I don't think there's enough evidence to really determine that, especially when taking into consideration Stygian's own words. Though I suppose that maybe the Pony of Shadows could have been pretending to be Stygian.

To wrap this part up, I suppose I disagree largely with describing The Pony of Shadows as a parasite. For it seems less like a parasite, and more like a symbiote of sorts. You bond with it, allow it to feed off of your negative emotions, and in return, you gain power, a new body, and a fresh pair of wings. It seems fair all things considered.

I also disagree with calling what happened to Stygian a "Possession" because that would imply that the Pony of Shadows forcefully controlled Stygian when it didn't. He's still seemingly in control of his own actions.

Which raises some interesting moral questions when you think about it. If Stygian really WAS in control, shouldn't the Pony of Shadows ALSO be given a free shake at redemption and not just Stygian?

Sure, it gave him power, but Stygian was the one that used it at the end of the day. For justice to truly be served, shouldn't BOTH of them be punished and or rehabilitated?

Anyway, time for some finished thoughts.

Personally, I was always of the mind that forms like Nightmare Moon, or Daybreaker, didn't come about because of the Nightmare Forces, but because of too many Negative emotions.

Like, look at what happened to Sci-Twi, too much magic, plus her fear, and her obsession with magic, which ended up creating Midnight Sparkle. No Nightmare Forces are needed. Even Sunset falls prey to this, Negative emotions, plus an overflow of magical energy lead to her becoming a She-demon, and still no Nightmare Forces insight.

Like, we know at large that emotions in general can change a pony's physical body, just look at Sunset's aura color from when she was still a bully, to her aura color when she reformed. From a cold cyan to a warm red. A positive emotional change can literally change ponies into a higher form of themselves, so why can't negative emotions do the same? I don't think The Nightmare Forces would be required for this whatsoever, just a pony/creature/whatever drawing on too much of one particular form of energy/emotions.

Also, at this point I'm rambling so you can ignore pretty much all of this since I already got finished commenting on the video but- I never really thought of forms like Nightmare Moon or Daybreaker as "Evil" They aren't. Not really. They're just versions of ponies that have taken in too much of certain emotions.

Like I said before if positive emotions can change you, why not negative emotions? If positive emotions like friendship, or kindness, can change you into an alicorn, why not negative emotions as well?

I'm repeating myself at this point. But to end it off, I think it's more worthwhile to think of forms like Nightmare Moon or Daybreaker, or Midnight Sparkle as less "Evil" And more Negative. The negative version of the true self.

The negative version of Twilight Sparkle is Midnight Sparkle, just like how her positive version might be the alicorn version of herself or just her regular self.

And there is a big difference between something being negative, and something being Evil. describing something as evil implies that in itself, the thing you are describing is malicious or somehow taboo, or even bad.

Negative emotions aren't and should not be considered something bad. They're something to embrace at the times when you need them, and something to recognize and let go of in other situations.

Like, anger is a big negative emotion, anger can hurt a lot of people. But sometimes we need anger to push us to be the best versions of ourselves. Sometimes being angry can help you stand up to a bully, and sometimes being angry can help you overthrow a tyrannical system or government.

I guess what I'm saying is, that it's when you embrace the negative emotions and really work to really understand them, that things improve, but understanding doesn't mean throwing them away entirely, you can still feel angry at a situation, without letting it consume you.

You can still feel and be empowered by negative emotions, without hurting yourself or other people around you. Because at the end of the day, just like positive emotions, negative emotions have their place in who we are. We wouldn't be here without our likes and dislikes, without are positives and negatives. One isn't better without the other, really they complement each other.

Well anyways, that's enough. I apologize for any grammatical errors, it's pretty late into the night, so I'm a little tired. I didn't mean to write so much, but it did so what can you do?

If anyone reads all of this, I'm actually kind of interested in what you think, whether you agree or disagree with me. Also, I apologize if certain parts of this begin to repeat, like I said before it's late, and this is a subject that I've taken a lot of time to think about, so I have a lot to say on the matter.

And I still don't know why, but this comment has been deleted at least three times now, but I don't think I've put anything profane in it? So, instead of reposting for a third time, I'm going to edit the comment I had previously made, which was a simple "Snoopy."

Anyway, cya later! And I really enjoyed the video!


Cadence is the element of love- so would her dark side be called heart break?


Hey sawtooth, idk if you'll end up seeing this, but... I've been wanting to try doing video essays, maybe even theories, on MLP. I already have the artwork and ideas done, but I'm a bit nervous to start...
I don't expect it to go very far, I just think it'd be fun, but I would love some tips based around your experience so that I don't trip right out of the gate. Just little things like a good ratio between humor and serious speculation, how to keep a video interesting and engaging, and all that stuff.
Love your videos so so much, you're one of my favorite YouTubers, it'd mean a lot ❤❤❤


Weirdly enough, I knew that Nightmare Moon, Sombra, and The Pony Of Shadows looked alike


Three instances of magical corruption in Equestria Girls. (Twilight, Sunset and Gloriosa) Of these, they all had a catalyst of high magical energy that corrupted them. Even when that energy was technically harmonic (Twilight's element crown, magic syphoned from the EG mane 6, the EG power crystal things) it could still be harnessed and cause corruption.


im so glad you're still making theories on this version of mlp


I think she’d be called “princess Heartbreak” instead of “nightmare cadence” but that’s just me


YOURE BACK AAAAAAAA !! Loving the new spooky pfp btw!


Have you ever thought of doing a collab with FOB Equestria, Sawtooth? I think that’d be super cool!!!!


Theories can get months to make. Makes sense that this video takes so long to upload.


well the tie-in comics did have an arc where Rarity was possessed by the Nightmare force, so it's totally possible that the nightmare parasite can affect non alicorn beings.


+ Twilight. Her only “evil” form was in the human world, you can’t really considered the other forms because they’re corrupted versions.


You've got about the same amount of evidence as a conspiracy theorist, but that's what i enjoy about this channel. It makes an interesting headcanon though i dont think it's likely. I would doubt everything from a multiversal standpoint because it's not for certain that the fundamental rules of magic are the same, even if they function the same way.


Yes just yes.   ^^   🤣🤣🤣

I've alway's been disappointed that the Well Of Shade was never revisited in G4.     That place was just way too important, too dark, to not go back.

Perhap's in G5 that place will be revisited.         But would it be better done in the G5 Comic's and or the G5 Show.

I personally hope the comic's.   I feel that right now the comic's are doing better then the show.

sometimes the distant future is what holds keys to the distant past!


The pony of shadows could also be another species of the corrupting parasite. I mean we have HOW many kinds of mosquitos? It makes sense for multiple kinds of the parasite species that are related


Ayy, I've been missing you, Sawtooth! Great video :)


What if Chysallis and Cadence were sisters, one the romantic love(Cyissilis) and friend ship love(Cadence). Crysillis fell in love with Sombra (when he was just an unicorn) but when the shadow force corrupted him, it broke her heart, so she go a Change in her. After her sister disappeared Cadence had both love powers on her hands, I think this is why she joined Celestia, to find some-pine to take one of the “love powers” off her hoofs. I think this is why she met Twilight and why she babysat her, to make sure that when she was older, she could take on one of the love responsibility’s


Welcome back hope your doing well, hope you have a good day/night/afternoon or when ever your probably reading this :)


I'm kinda surprised Nightmare Rarity wasn't brought up. Yes a different universe, but an example of a non alocorn with the nightmare force


Is Cadences nightmare forms name Heartbreaker, or have I just imagined that?🤔


i love your theories. it's relly fun to wach


I believe the pony is a force of nature/magic it's self a force that has existed for all time


<b>applause</b> Brilliant video you two!


I WAS JUST OJN THIS LIKE A MONTH AGO THANK YOU. FOR COVERING THIS 🙏


WAIT- sawtooth's excessive curiousness could manifest in a shadow sawtooth waves- since it is an emotion. .. .


Omg it's really great to see u sawtooth
I'm so glad you're posting again
Great video


omg i loveeee these, they r such good theories!!!!!!


Is everything ok at home Sawooth? I missed you.


speaking of alicorn magic,; with Cadey, Twily, Tia and Lu-Lu; it's a permanent change, but Sunny can switch it on and off. but how? what changed?


my take on this is that:<br>Anyone can get infected by the darkness, EVEN ANIMALS (possibly) can get it... tho im not sure about it.. and the darkness could be transported into diffrent universes or dimentions maybe?

my take on this is that:
Anyone can get infected by the darkness, EVEN ANIMALS (possibly) can get it... tho im not sure about it.. and the darkness could be transported into diffrent universes or dimentions maybe?


4:00 whether he was a different creature or was a unicorn
He didn't have a cutie, which could mean either he isn't a creature capable of having a cutie mark, or he is a pony who DIDN'T get a cutie mark


after watching this, it got me wondering if discord has a good form (before he was reformed)


I like how he floats away sawtooth i have been waiting for you to do twilight and the new alicorn everybody else seems to crack down the case but I've been waiting for your theory


i missed your content, glad to have you back !<3


I think the theory has quite a bit of credit actually. Also did anyone else notice the similarities in how Luna transformed into nightmare moon and stigian into the pony of shadows? The way the shadow wrapped around the body?


Finally mate I was going crazy without your great entertainment

Omg i just got a like from sawtooth waves 😱


I like it, very interesting video/theory.


Maybe any creature can be corrupted when they have enough magical power. Taking "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" literally. Add that to living forever, and I can't imagine it'd be easy on them. Watching so many lives come in and out of existence while you stay the same

"Emotions are magic, so they can be used as a power source." -All of the changelings in the audience, facehoofing themselves into the nexus XP


I really want to see a nightmare sawtooth in the future... if I don't I might be a little mad


Hi sawtooth, how are ya?,, another amazing video by the way, I love your theories!!


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Yaaay Sawtooth Waves is back! ^^
With a title that actually doesn't match the content of the video. Well almost.
But now we all want to know about Nightmare Sawtooth.


Honestly, I thought Pony of Shadows was the remains of Nightmare Moon when she got defeated by the Mane 6.


I think a good name for Nightmare Cadance would be Blackstorm Heart. Also, if the parasite were to have infected Stygian to transform him/trap him in the pony of shadows, wouldn't it make sense for it to have been banished to limbo as well?


My name for evil Cadance is "Opal Lust". <br>I'm not fully attached to it, I just wanted to break away from putting the words "Nightmare", "Breaker" and "Heart".

My name for evil Cadance is "Opal Lust".
I'm not fully attached to it, I just wanted to break away from putting the words "Nightmare", "Breaker" and "Heart".


I think powerful magic is a requirement before it can corrupt. Not just anypony could be a target. We've seen it form from alicorns and one very talented unicorn (if the part of sombra being one is true). So i don't think the nightmare force would be interested in ponies that couldn't provide it with sufficient power. So all alicorns are vulnerable. Starlight, starswirl, and sunset are probably vulnerable. Maybe some pegasi that seem especially tuned to their pegasus magic like rainbow and lightning dust? Earth ponies are least likely to be vulnerable, but if anypony has enough earth pony magic it's rockhoof. For non ponies it's hard to say if any are more or less magical than other members of their species, so specific examples would be hard to come up with.


in twilights nightmare with Sombra day breaker shows back up.
I'll edit this as I go
(edit one)
the sirens are a living proof that someone can use your emotions for power there voices feed of it causing more crupting there will and causing more emotional response and then more power
(another edit)
stigien mentioned that when the pillers turned away the shadows spoke meaning the shadow was definitely a pony at a point and what if it was a pegasus and using stigiens magic gained the horn it shaped around his horn and the wings sprouted on there own


The queen of the changelings did actually fit the descriptions of the corruption... What if she is a current victim of that parasite...


shes a heart breaker(i think it would have been a good villain name for her and on point)


Sawtooth love ur videos there so good. I’ve been watching u for sooo long now


Ur back Sawtooth! Rly missed ur amazing content so keep it up 👍


I wonder what a Corrupted Cadences name would be? Nightmares are a bad aspect of a nighttime phenomena
Daybreaker just sounds aggressive
Maybe an evil cadence would have "Lust" somewhere in their name because of how less genuine that emotion for the basis of a full loving relationship.
"LustStruck" or something like that.


Didn’t Stygian become evil before Luna? Luna and Celestia were little when the pillars defeat the pony of shadows… well got him in limbo


I liked how the more you talked the faster you floated into space


While the comics are canon unless they contradict the show (or the show contradicts them), the formation of Sombra has two different iterations. The first we get to see is Mirror Sombra, in the Reflections saga, who exists as a benevolent monarch because of corruption of our Sombra. He became corrupted because of the dark magic of the Mirror Royal Sisters clashing. When Sombra comes back in Siege of the Crystal Empire, Sombra was revealed to have been corrupted by a similar force to the Nightmare Force known as the Umbrums, and in the comics canon, Sombra and his childhood girlfriend managed to overcome the Umbrums and finally free him. And don't even get me started on Nightmare Rarity.


Yknow, the pony of shadows and Sombra have the same horn--almost.  Twilight horn is longer after she becomes an Alicorn...


Sawtooth!!! I really really miss you!!! Thank goodness you had enough time for this video!!! Also it's very interesting when you think of that for real. Also love you soooooooo much my wise changelingtuber!!!!! 😚🥰🤗


I'm not sure if you count this as canon
But in the official MLP comics, it reveals that Sombra is an Umbra pony, not even a unicorn. He was given that form to trick the pony settlement nearby(the crystal empire) so he could one day release the other Umbrums to take/destroy Equestria
Again I'm not sure if you count the comics as canon but I do find the concept of the Umbrums to be very interesting

There's also a comic were Chrysalis talks about her past and we did get to see a time in those comics where the changelings didn't have the holes on their limbs and horns I believe


does anyone else think the song called "where'd it go" sounds oddly familiar??


I totally thought this video was gonna reveal that Opaline is Nightmare Cadance


Honestly glad to see you back but anyways as for the video i never really thought about it that way Until now would not be Suprised if its true it may even be around still in gen 5.


@Sawtooth Waves Can <b>you</b> explain to me why Twillight from the Human-World does only have wings when she "Pony-Up" and doesn't when she is in Equestria? Twillight from Equestria and Rainbow Dash from Human-World on the other hand have wings in both worlds.

@Sawtooth Waves Can *you* explain to me why Twillight from the Human-World does only have wings when she "Pony-Up" and doesn't when she is in Equestria? Twillight from Equestria and Rainbow Dash from Human-World on the other hand have wings in both worlds.

Because human Twilight is not a princess or alicorn.


Do you think that the "Where's the CMC?" question was a crackpot question? You and Nameless should really answer that properly.


the Question would be: What is the opposite of Love?
Jealousy or lust?
If first, she would become something like the Sirens, only worse.
If the Second... she would become a Succubus, feeding of others lutsful emotions and souls, instead of giving them Love. ... okay, the last thing sounds... you know. xD
In both forms, she would be even in her destructive power than NM, DB and MS...

And for non Alicorns that could become Possessed by darkness, think of the time, twilight gone full rage mode (Rapidash Mode) or the power, the dark Alicorn Amulet have in it... or the black book Rarity found. Someone had to made them in the past... and each have the possibility to awake the dark side in a pony and make them vulnerable to dark magical Parasites.


Evil cadence would have been interesting!


The parasite could have been created from a very long ancestral pony to punish themself. Just like Luna after nightmare moon. However it seems more powerful than what Luna created. It's as if it's a being of immortal power. Think flutterbat. She was consumed by the bats ability to feed off apples. Same could  be for the parasite to feed off jealousy. And her bat tooth still there.. like u said in the video, a power charge.


Nice theory vid! When/why did you add the bow btw?


i would love to learn about nightmare sawtooth


Finally after 3 months we got a new theory:D


Not even joking, I was looking at your channel page yesterday and was wondering when you were going to update again. Sure enough, you’re back!


I'VE BEEN JUST WONDERING WHERE YOU WERE, WELCOME BACK SAWTOOTH!!


Not going to mention the extra colours around/behind nightmare moon and days breaker's cutie marks, AND how luna STILL has that around her cutie mark


One day this man would make a theroy about nightmare twilight


bro this made my day!! someone kicked my bag and we lost a pizza party at school so this was cool


Ive been waiting so long for a New video😁 you just made my week❤


Lovestruck, Heartbreak, Heartbreaker, andd thats all I got, three names one just with an “er” in the end and these are ideas for Cadances names, likely won’t come back if I get more ideas or something

Lovestruck: One who spreads love but uses it for control, I guess

Heartbreak(er): One who uses it to spread hate and all that, though this could possibly also cause Wendigo’s to appear


Yes we have missed you Sawtooth well come back


Upon assumption that your theory is accurate( Which personally I  Think is more probable than anything else)  then It would make the most sense for for someone to have gotten infected During  Episodes 1 and 2 Season 1 but not be A suitable host.  After all when dealing with an infectious Parasite If you don't destroy the remains of The afflicted body then it is still possible to be affected by the parasite even if Said parasite affected pony remains are undestroyed and I'm pretty sure no pony got rid of the shell that was left over from nightmare moon so maybe someone else could have gotten affected next but who?


i feel like evil cadance wouldve been named heartache or something that has to do with being heartbroken


I always thought Luna got it from Sombra originally.. Ever since 2013


omg omg omg omg... the rift lore has gotten an update...
this video has sooooo many inplercatons...
so many!
and I can't even talk about all of them...
2:24 has some very interesting inplercatons.
not just for the cannon mlp, but the rift cafe, and the fandom as a whole.
as one's emotions and magic going hand-in-hand, or should I say hoof-in-hoof could mean big things for many stories.

and it has some very interesting inplercatons on one story in particular...
an amulet that takes hate and turns it into magic is completely possible, and we could have seen a nightmare moon like a story with said amulet happen in the mlp fandom.
the reviewer part of the fandom in particular at least...
as there once was a story... once...
there once was a story that had an amulet with said inplercatons, but now 5-6 years later is all most forgotten.
I found this video very interesting but had no one to tell this to.
so I write it here, there is no need for anyone to give this the time of day.
I just what to put a thought out there.

I hope you have a good day, and that no harm ever comes your way.


Now to think of all the other side of thier magic, when Sunset has put the crown/the element of Twilight maybe this the same power that changed Luna and all that magic changed their way to see the world and the fact that Sunset and Princess Twilight are similar but back then Sunset was alone and the 5 other elements were in equestria so this is why Sunset was tranformed in to a Demon because the elements were separeted and Sunser was alone


nightmare cadence is a great name! but i think heartbreaker would sound better😅


Honestly I've been avoiding mlp content but i guess it's time to return


You need to give us a theory on twilights return lol


Slayyy now we need a upload on the villain ✌


Really good video but next time I think you should do one like, who's Sunny's mom? Mabey you should do that next Friday.


Cozy glow turned into an evil alicorn from the magic stone which was chaos magic and was already evil but good video


how dare you for getting me invested in sawtooth lore


Of course, shortly after I join the fandom again after years, you appear on my recommendations.


Yeah normal ponys can get possesed
That happened to rarity in a comic
Im pretty sure it was an official one


I would live to have a conversation with Nameless


Question about sombra, I got the knowledge from the mlp game that he's half umbram, so my question is, is he really half umbram or is it just the mirror sombra lore?

@Sawtooth Waves ok, tho that bring me a question, what an umbram-pony hybrid would look like? (Thinking about making a character from a different fandom a  Pegasus umbram hybrid, search up welcome to dreamworld and watch episode 1-5)

me and nameless think umbrum sombra is from another universe. our sombra is a pony.


I MISSED YOU SO MUCH!! I KnEW YOU WERE COMING BACK!! ( I think she should be called heartbreak cadence! )


We could had discuss 999 things in G5 that isn't answered. Who is Opaline, who are Misty's parents? How magic changed to include flora magic, what did Opaline meant by saying "Fire Alicorn"? etc..... but we discuss irrelevant G4 things about Celestia's dream evilsona from one episode.


Anyone else thinking about the “remembrance” series by AshleyH?


i need more of your videos, its better than drugz :3


Welcome back! I really missed your theories


Maybe the Pony of shadows originally posessed that unknown alicorn in the Love Story, i don't really remember how the Love Story went but Something with a Love Portion and that might have caused those Strong Feelings, knowing an alicorn lives longer than a normal Pony maybe the unknown alicorns Lover Passed and the grief Got them corrupted and when they died the parracite keept the alicorn Form, maybe thats the Secret identity of that unknown alicorn


I couldn't help it I named Nightmare Candace LusterDust I can't help it the name bothered me so I made one up because opposite of love is lust and well and the crystal heart would probably be dust and Celestia had her own name too. Don't know if it's good though 😅❤


6:10 mmmm, reminds me of the "shadow pony" from castle mania


4:25 SfS studios - Fall of the Crystal Empire tackled this idea a few years back : )


What about nightmare flurry heart? Or is she already a nightmare version of herself?


Question with your theory do you think dragons in MLP use the nightmare Force to grow because greed is a negative emotion


Huh, interesting.<br>So, the Nightmare Force is a official thing?

Huh, interesting.
So, the Nightmare Force is a official thing?


nice video!! besides can you do a video about the mistery in g5 and twilight message?


The pony of shadows would have to have been an alicorn. But from his voice we assume his a boy. What if that was the first male Alicorn and after that happened No other males were trusted with- MIND BLOWN! ALICORNS ARE ALWAYS FEMALES AND THEY ALWAYS RULE!!!


Yaasss somepony has finally return to make another great theory
#Sawtoothwaves


I got a video idea, maybe a theory on princess amore, the first ruler of the crystal empire


4:30 anyone remembers the Fall of the Crystal Empire animation?


Sawtooth are you going to post videos going over any lore from make your mark?


I LOVE YOUR VIDS!!!! IM SO HAPPY YOU UPLOADED


We saw daybreaker in season 9 in fear of twilight by Sombra in episode 1  so it makes sense that celetia had changed into daybreaker otherwise in that fear celetia never changed in that

Daybreaker is something Starlight dreamed up. She likely told Twilight about it, so that would explain why she saw Daybreaker in the premiere.


Would nightmare cadence be called heartbreaker? Idk best I could come up with

@Sawtooth Waves nightmare flurryheart? Flamingheart (I don't know)


And this changeling is surprised that emotions have magic

Саша Кузнецов


Pony of Shadows = Rainbow of Darkness
Elements of Harmony = Rainbow of Light

Also thx for another vid, it's been a while and this was interesting.


Wow! Finally you return!<br>Glad to see you back...

Wow! Finally you return!
Glad to see you back...


hey sawtooth! if i were to make you some fanart, where would i need to put it for you to see it? does my youtube community tab work?

Twitter would be the best place for that. Just be sure to tag them.


꧁ᴋᲦᴡᴀɪɪ_ᴍᴏᴏɴ ʟɪɢʜᴛ꧂


What if the Element of magic has a darker side to it


And now we need to see a Nightmare Sawtooth lmao- (maybe called Sawcavity? XD)


I’m glad your back dude missed your content 😄


ahhh welcome backkk it’s been so long! I love this theory!!!


its been 64 years XD...anyways, glad to see you back... and i think you have a lot to catch up with MLP G5.


Hey Sawtoothwaves  good to see you again. So the Nightmare Force what if it realize off of hate and anger.


What if opaline is cozy glow? Pink to red, with light hair and CURLS? Cozy glow tried to steal the magic before, but she tried to get rid of it. She could’ve tried again, or changed up her plans. Anyways, now that the magic is back she could be trying to steal it.

Plus opaline is struggling to make friends/keep friends with misty, and we’ve seen evidence of Cozy being her true self when she’s been somebody’s friend for a bit. So opaline could’ve been all sweet on Misty in the beginning, and then revealed herself on some level later on. Making Misty feel like she’s indebted to her.🤷🏽♀

At the very least, if twilight pulled a ‘cozy glow’ and sucked all of the magic out of Equestria, including creatures and artifacts/stones then we could be certain that the statue cozy glow was petrified in is no longer a statue and so the three creatures that were imprisoned there were also set free, though ‘powerless’ without magic.

(That’s leave the question on where are the other two?probably dead idk)


Nightmare cadence shall now be none as Heartbreaker


Everyone’s favorite changeling has reappeared


Btw, I found a theory on the interner that old mlp world is fluded in g5 and new g5 locations are near Canterlot and a bit wester (pegasi living on the top of the mountain where Canterlot was (Claudsdale has fallen there), earth ponies in ponyvile and unicorns on unicorn range). That also explains the technological difference, better technologies in place nearest to Canterlot, capital, average technologies near ponyvile and unadvanced in unicorn village (they basicaly had to build the city from scratch unlike others).
What do you think?

...Btw, have you heard of Equestria at War for HOI4?

Here's the video with the theory (use google translate):
https://youtu.be/wg9l6OlEzMc


I think you guys are looking way too deep in to this I don’t think Nightmare moon using emotions is her style🤔


anypony ever wonder who wrote that book that corrupted rarity ? dark magic just doesn't come from nowhere and I doubt Starswirl wrote it!


Like Nightmare Moon and Daybreaker Candace’s she is called <b>Love Struck.</b>

Like Nightmare Moon and Daybreaker Candace’s she is called *Love Struck.*


5:55 another alicorn hmm? Maybe it's an answer as to why we never see Celestia or Luna's parents(yes I'm still gonna headcanon their parents as alicorns)


What if....Opaline is actually flurry consumed by some sort of nightmare force? I mean she pretty much looks like a dark coloured flurry, but the mane is white instead of pink. Could be a side effect of the corruption.
And yeah maybe there came a sort of 'epidemic' of alicorn corruption which Twilight and Cadence succumbed to it, and Tia and luna were able to stop flurry from dying, but couldn't free her from the corruption?

Nah, probably not, I'm just crazy.


Pretty sure there was a comic of cadence being just like chrysalis


Since it's that parasite that transformed Luna to Nightmare Moon, is it possible that that is the same parasite that corrupted Sunset Shimmer and Scitwi


Nightmare sawtooth would look so cool maybe one of your clones got it


BLESSED DAY NEW SAWTOOTH VIDEO praise to the sunbutt


AAA You're back! That was a great theory


Yay. You’re back. It’s been forever dude


ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄


Ayo you're back! I was worrying that you'll stop posting. Welcome back and keep up the good work!


What about The Pony of Shadows being trapped by the Pillars for so long?  More than one parasite thar effected Sombra?


I wanted to know where Cadence is on the g5


Oh my goblin these videos are my source of entertainment


Now I'm curious about twilight dark form


How have I never thought of nightmare cadance?!?


Can you do a video about what would have happened if we saw the CMC with their special_somepony in the MLP FIM show like Applebloom X Tender_Taps, Sweetie_Belle X Button_Mash and Scootaloo X Rumble?


Jeez sawtooth we ain’t hear from you in forever! Hope your doing ok


Nightmare Moon (Luna)
Lightmare Star (Twilight)
Daybreaker (Celestia)
Heartbreaker (Cadence)
Toymaker (Flurry)


Well, you are forgetting one changeling, chrysalis. She has sharp teeth, slitted pupils, and her and sombra both lick their chops when around an item or being that could possess powerful positive emotions to drain from, like the crystal heart, or shining armor. So who's to say that chrysalis wasn't a victim to this corruption, and we've seen a good form of her in other worlds, so what if after she was corrupted, she produced unreformed changelings that also carried the corruption withing their dna and magic, then when a changeling reforms, the corruption becomes purified and disappears, leaving a more kind and positive creature. Like with your chrysalis reforming video, maybe she'd need help to be reformed through removing the nightmare parasite from her system so she can be her former self.


FINALLY, I've Been Begging For This Video, And You Finally Responded!!!!<br>THANK YOU 🥲

FINALLY, I've Been Begging For This Video, And You Finally Responded!!!!
THANK YOU 🥲


YOU UPLOADED!!!~  My day just got 100 times better! I really missed you!🎉🥳


Geez, sounds hard to be a pony. You can't even be upset without the risk of being taken over by a demon parasite. No wonder Twilight wants everyone to be 'happy friends' because it's so dangerous for anyone to be anything other than that.


Shapeshifter from what depths of universe call you forth? A call from beyond? The longing? Or the enigma?


Surprised you never brought up Nightmare Rarity from the comics.


Can you make a Theory Video of How Opaline became an Alicorn because she isn't really Alicorn Worthy


I love your vids I have been watching for a while I went to yesterday but you posted and my prayers have been answered my guy is back🥳!


Will there be videos about the new My Little Pony New Generation Series?


Sawtooth: Luna fought Sombra not long before her transformation into Nightmare Moon, what if she originally got the parasit from him, the timing is just uncanny
Wow, you literally just explained the plot of "The Fall of the Crystal Empire" fan animation that was made over 8 years ago. XD (still a really great animations)

Also great video, i love when people talk about alternate universes or What if's in the MLP community :D


If Cadence is the only Alicorn to not have an evil side, Would she with the help protect Equestria from everyone else who has an evil side?


Feels like a lot of fan theory, so are there sources to the comics?


And cozy close had the parasite for one moment when the bell with discords magic transform her to cozymare monster


I see a pattern all of the pony the parasite consumed  were all alicorns!


hello hello sawtooth, i stumbled across your channel i absolutely love it and was surprised your a changeling, albeit a reformed one i absolutely love changelings and chrysalis (d'know how to spell it correctly) but i am also a changeling albeit not reformed BUT i keep trying to get away..did not bode well d'know what im doing wrong...i want to be reformed. but besides that i absolutely love your chanel and videos i have wached them all and am eagerly awaiting a new one take care of yourself :)


Does anybody else think that these sound a bit like venom and the other symbiance?


In my school vr game goalius had that like of nightmare force after ryuko maktoi had made her choice ( countless members of the principality of zeon where killed and including some well remembered aces like char asnible arnimo gato and kacilia zobie all killed in action by nightmare goalius )


MY GOD I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD<br>Glad your back :D

MY GOD I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD
Glad your back :D


if the pony of shadows is the shadow of a dead pony then does that back up the theories of male alicorns?


Isn't it weird that Celestia framed the Crystal Empire thing as a test for Twilight? What if she only did that as an excuse to keep Luna from going there to face King Sombra?

She didn't. The both of them knew to send her there as a test.


Imagine princess Cadence become Nightmare Cadence , what would it be ?


Cadence be heartbreaker making ponies not love each other


I doubt rage would do it for Crysalis. In our universe all known corruption is from jealousy. As Crysalis lacks anything Cadence wants, she has none of Shining’s actual love and I doubt Cadence ever wanted Changeling powers or a Changeling army. Sombra likely was a powerful unicorn, given his traps and gift for mental manipulation likely an illusionist. Some amount of jealousy corrupted him making his illusions even more powerful, given he took Cadence’s kingdom it was likely Cadence he felt jealousy towards.


Do a video on reforming opaline or a twilight sparkle video as she is Kind of in the part 2 of make ur mark


Like classic Vampires? Survive an attack, you become one.


Can you do a video about what would have happened if Fluttershy became an Alicorn instead of Twilight Sparkle since she wants to be friends with any creature big or small unlike Twilight who cares about books and is neglecting Spike's feelings?


Hmmm..... Theory. If this Nightmare force did take on an alicorn previously (and from the look of Stigyin a MALE alicorn) could that be the reason why Celestia and Luna might have been the last natural born alicorns until Flurry Heart? Maybe this Nightmare force parasite was similar to a 'zombie outbreak'. And that's why they were sent to Equestria. To somewhat shield them from what was happening.... Yes I am very deep in this.


When you are going to talk about Opaline?


Their is a nightmare rarity so the fact that their could be more nightmare forms is possible.


I HAVE A THEORY I WANT YOU TO TRY AND PROVE WRONG/RIGHT, WHAT IF THE ALICORN (from when the CMC were making a love potion) IS QUEEN CHRYSALIS?? SHE NEEDS TO FEED OFF IF LOVE, WHAT IF SOMETHING WENT WRONG TO MAKE HER LIKE THAT???


when i was younger I made an emo oc of a nightmare cadance that I called heartbreaker


Would be Pretty good way for the Crystal empire in  Hoi 4 Equestria at war


You forgot to mention one more, Sunset Shimmer. She had the similar features like the pointed pupils and the sharp teeth, plus she was filled of the same emotion (ambition). Unlike Sci Twi or Princess Luna, she was never haunted by her past or was she?

@Reese I kinda wish they did. You know, I came up idea of Sunset dealing with her past physically. It would happen by having an other villain from Equestria coming to the human realm, he/she is like Discord, they can create illusion that becomes a reality. There's forth, they create an evil clone of Sunset, resembling her as she was in the 1st movie and they send her friends back to the 1600's, where anyone with magical powers was considered a witch, leaving sunset alone fighting her evil doppelganger, with two transformation (our Sunset in her current transformation vs evil doppelganger Sunset in a she demon form).

Another idea I had with Sunset dealing with her past is in the dream realm. Where they fight off with this other villain, who cast a sleeping spell on and smashing her geo gem, causing the others to turn gray. While the other girl try to fight off this evil for without their powers, we see inside Sunset Shimmer's mind and see her fighting off 3 variation of herself aka her three transformations from the 1st, 3rd, and 4st movie.

1st Fight "Sunset vs her transformation from Legend of Everfree"
2nd Fight "Sunset vs her transformation from The Friendship Games"
3rd Fight "Sunset vs her She Demon self from the first movie"

And when it seems like it over for her, she soon finds out that it was actually a test, to see if Sunset it willing to fight not just for herself but also her friends, than her friendship is stronger than any magic, and they give her a piece of her broken geo, and say "Good Luck Element of Friendship". After she wakes up and sees her geo fixed and looking different, she finds out her friends are endangered and heads of the save them. Once there she gets a new transformation including wings that also turn in fire for extra speed. And after they defeat the villain, and there magic is restore they soon find out that Sunset finally became an alicorn.

She was haunted by her past; likely still is but Hasbro won't show it.


Leftovers of the umbrum<br>Also HeartBreaker Cadence

Leftovers of the umbrum
Also HeartBreaker Cadence


Omg sawtooth your back! It's my lucky day! Also, nice theory! 🐝


what if the Nightmare force become physical or a twisted dream force, light/darkness have no mortality so if your positive emotion get out of control it cause your like negative emotion fog up your realizing. someone could have good intention but do terrible things because can't tell what's right and wrong


I had started a nightmare flurry heart on my old laptop. Her name was Heart broken but then someone spilled bleach on my laptop and since me being the dummy I am I lost it as I didn't have a secondary file


That's not to mention Nightmare Rarity in the comics (which I know are questionably canon, but still...)


Help when they said Sombra I was thinking about the pony of shadows 😭


My theory is the corruption is something that passes on kind of like a cuss let's say the person and possesses passes away the person closest to the person will get the corruption and will go on throughout history but after the nightmare Moon blast it defeated it or did it


He said the nameless one's name correctly


i kinda wanna see Cadances nightmare form now


I'm a new viewer of your vids love your videos BTW!


Heart Broken💔. I'm naming Cadence corrupt form IF she had one haha😅..


how do you make your videos? is it like a png thing or something???


My lore on sawtooth is that he got captured in the golden aplle video by unknown forces and who were currently watching is a fake sawtooth


You finally make a video MAKE MORE VIDEOS PLEASE!!


Yesssss it’s been more than 2 months!!!!


The nightmare force gathered power from her negative emtions<br>So it's kind of like the miraculous ladybug show then-

The nightmare force gathered power from her negative emtions
So it's kind of like the miraculous ladybug show then-


I think every alicorn can become an emo villian
...

EMO NIGHTMARE SUNNY STAR SCOUT


What if her name would be heartbreaker

What do you think?


Hey sawtooth do you you can come up with ways to reform sombra also welcome back


Can you make theory about the true story of equestria before ponies got spereted? I really wanna know it


I feel like she wouldn't be called nightmare cadence. Since her real name is Mi Amore Cadenca
Which it translates to My Love Cadence
So the opposite of love
So I'm not sure what her name could be but not nightmare cadence


Please do a video about
Nightmare Sawtooth in a MLP universe and a video about how
Princess cadance became Nightmare cadance
That will amazing
Wait a minute I remember having a MLP toy of Nightmare cadance
And in the Queen chrysalis timeline cadance could became
Nightmare cadance
You know the Queen chrysalis timeline the timeline that Starlight glimmer made when she try to stop twilight and her friends from becoming friends by stopping the rainboom


Love lost<br>that's the best name i could think of and, Twilight?

Love lost
that's the best name i could think of and, Twilight?

ᴅᴏʟᴏʀᴇs ᴍᴀᴅʀɪɢᴀʟ👂🏽


Could you ever please talk about those weird and small as hell ponies that were made 2021 I don't really know what their called but they are weird and a knokof


SAWTOOTH!! I can’t believe it it’s ben so long since you’ve made a vid


Early, love your vids btw, I'd be a patron if I had money


hey buddy, u cleared everything up about king sombra, nightmare moon, Daybreaker, the pony of shadows. SOOO... what does this have to do with princess Cadance did u ever clear here up if the pic had something to do with it? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 but none the less I like your theory  i enjoyed it😃😃😃😃


Nameless just taking over the video =0 Also I missed watching you, it’s been a while =D


Welcome back, we've been waiting for you


hi sawtooth waves I love your Halloween picture 👻🎃👻🎃👻


Since you did a video about what would happen if Spike was a pony, can you do a video about what would have happened if Spike never existed in MLP FIM show since he is not getting the same kind of attention as Twilight Sparkle and her friends and is made to look pathetic?


I have my notifications on, how come I never got the notification for this? T-T Now I need to go see if there are any other videos that I also missed.


Sawtooth: dead af<br>Also sawtooth: hehe Halloween time time to come backkkkk

Sawtooth: dead af
Also sawtooth: hehe Halloween time time to come backkkkk


Nameless: we aren't going into your crackpot theories<br>Me: they aren't crackpot bro it's a logical theory

Nameless: we aren't going into your crackpot theories
Me: they aren't crackpot bro it's a logical theory


Once I get to make my own story, oh, do I have a story for you. ~ But seriously, stop asking the right questions at the wrong time. Nameless One is right.

HQ here. This is my secret channel if you want to know about my realm specifically. Don't mind the persona. It will only answer as though it is the character in question. It won't be able to answer more-- special-- questions unfortunately though.


I thought the pony of shadows was before nightmare moon 😂


When I saw this in my uploaded videos from people I'm subscribed to I was like HE FINNALLY UPLOADED!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!


Yess you came back<br>Hey Sawtooth luv ur videos

Yess you came back
Hey Sawtooth luv ur videos

♡ aɭɩcɷɾŋ_qųҽҽŋ ♡


I have to admit that your ponysona (changesona?) Is pretty cute.


You sneeze and started floating away emotional damage 🤣🤣


Hm I wonder what nightmare sawtooth Waves wood look like?


What if Opalleiene whatever how name spelled was a corrupted Alicorn-


Nightmare cadance?!

What about Nightmare twilight (Burligh sparcake)?

Or nightmare flurry heart?

I think chrysalis is a nightmare version form of her Past “white” form.


Yeah, I think most people wonder about this


I want to see a nightmare form of you sawtooth


Maybe that red in the G Nade transformer Luna into nightmare Moon was maybe anger Josie


Finally i'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy you returned from youTube


Oo a universe where everyone is evil that would be cool


FINALLY SAWTOOTH IS BACK. bro where have u been


What if the original alicorn was celestia and lunas father/mother?


Sawtooth waves you forgot some evidence and that is twilight look in the first couple of seasons


Maybe sambra had the same thing but luna already had the nightmare force watch sambra's defeat on YouTube and you'll see what I mean


LOVE-LESS CA-DANCE <br>sounds more cool lol


Wow it has been a long time since you uploaded but it was worth it


daybreaker has apparently appeared 2 actually, i think she appeared when twilight was having an episode of the past and she sees her and nightmare moon, not sure tho so ill have to do a fact check on it

@Reese ah yes i knew twilight had seen her before i just wasn’t quite sure on the details, thanks for letting me know:))

Daybreaker appeared in the episode "A Royal Problem", where Starlight was tasked with solving a friendship problem between the royal sisters. Daybreaker appeared again in the season 9 premiere, when Sombra made Twilight see her worst fears of failing and disappointing the sisters.


Bring back dark blue dragon ponie please..? ^. .^


i think evil cadences name should be heartbracker or black heart


Finally a new video! I was watching notification all the time 😢


What is sunny and the gang density together


Your back it has been two months What is the pass between Opaline twilight sparkle? where is discord? how did opaline became an alicorn ?


when i was younger a made an emo oc of a nightmare cadance that I called heartbreaker


Hiiii finally you posted a video can you do a video about the moon and the sun because at my little pony a new generation there is no pony to rise the sun and moon ??!!! I don’t have any idea how lots have changed since my little pony a new generation all the animals and literally everthing I hope you do a video about it looove your channel 🤍🤍✨


Hi sawtooth I am a new subscriber this is my first new post by you and I have an idea for a new little series a what if based on MLP like that marvel what if series I’ve seen a what if of a boom series I like and I’d love to see one based of of MLP.

@Sawtooth Waves oh cool I’ll go check it out after I finish this video

Wind Striker on YouTube occasionally! i have as well, the daybreaker video i linked in this one is basically a what if


OK so what if the pony of shadows was the male pony in the tale of hearts and  hooves  day  I mean think about it  after his kingdom fell he  was probably heart broken I mean all alone nobody caring about him he would be a perfect slave for the parasite.  Hope you liked my theory and if you want make about it it's fine just give me a little bit of credit. And  l really love your video's so I was really inspired by you. :)


nightmare rarity was a thing in the comics


I am one of the first and Sawtooth is finally back. I am happy about this. What about y'all?


Stooop! An earth pony can jar apple sauce and let somepony else consume it, it doesn't make it magical. It's not because you can magically interact with something that that thing is magical. For all we know you can alter a piece of clothing without to make it magical either (right now I'm thinking about Twilight's WWU jacket, that got teleported around Twilight). I'm not far enough in the video, but I'd dig in stuff like the stream of silence or how Tirek took magic and Starlight sealed cutie marks. All three seem to have dimmed creature's emotions (unless it's from being unable to communicate like they know best, tiredness and being trapped in a dystopia, then I'd be wrong)

Eeeer and neither of you mentioned Nightmare Rarity?


Nightmare Rarity, was she only from a creepypasta or was she lowkey kinda cannon?


Yeah love ur channel i use to think it was weird to like cartoon as a boy till i found u


SAWTOOTH YOUR BOW IS AMAXING YOUR SO CUTW!!!!!♡♡♡♡


what if nightmare cadence’s name is nightmare heartbreak


You forgot Tatantabus (is that the correct spelling?) It LITERALLY feeds of of Luna's guilt, also she turns into nightmare moon....sooooooooo you see me approach...

The Tantabus came into existence AFTER she was saved by the Elements.


I'm glad you're back I was worrying about you


Someone make fanart of Nightmare Sawtooth xD